What's up, everyone? It's your homeboy and, before I start the video, I want to give you guys a little bit of context.
So, recently, Chris Hansen did an interview with
 Jeffree Star regarding Dahvie Vanity.
"-Welcome to a special edition of 'Have a Seat with Chris Hansen' for what will be - no doubt - one of the most
analyzed, scrutinized and perhaps 
criticized interviews that you'll see this year."
D-mn, Chrissy-pooh. You was really setting
the expectations high from the jump, huh?
So on that day that Chris interviewed Jeffree,
I decided, "I want to do a live stream and just
vent my thoughts," you know? And I invited Ashlee Lillie who is one of Dahvie's survivors onto my stream
so she could also give her
thoughts about the live stream.
However, I could not have predicted that other YouTubers were gonna join my stream
and, all of a sudden, we're gonna become a squad and allexpress ourselves but hey, it was cute.
If you're subscribed to the channel via notifications,
you might notice that every now and then
I'll do live streams, sometimes unplanned, sometimes...
unplanned. [laughs]
But I never keep them on my channel. I do reupload it to my Patreon but I just don't want to have long live streams
on my channel, you know, cause those are supposed to be moments for me to connect with my audience.
Now, every now and then, I will edit them
down and post, like, highlights
onto this channel and if you missed it then, you know,
you could either sign into the Patreon or,
hopefully, I'll do highlights like this.
So I just want to clear that up because every now and then I'll get comments from people saying,
"hey, Edwin, why did you take it down?!" 
I'm like, "what do you mean? I-- I never keep it up."
So with that out of the way, I will have timestamps in the pinned comment down below for every person or topic
that we discuss in this video because it turned out to be quite long and, you know, it took me a little bit to edit.
But yeah, I hope you guys enjoy the "Comedy Central Roast of the Chris Hansen and Jeffree Star interview".
So, everybody, welcome to the show. 
Let me just introduce everybody.
We-- we've just heard Ashlee share her experience-- well,
to some detail, right, just summarize her experience.
I thought that was important to do before we fully discuss the interview that was Jeffree Star and Chris Hansen.
Now, also in the call we have TehMimi and Shannon Creepshow which are two YouTubers that have also been covering this-- this story pretty extensively.
Obviously YouTubers, but if you guys want to further introduce yourselves, go ahead, Shannon and Mimi.
Creepshow: Uhm, I'm just an idiot who makes videos about what I think is, like, wrong and right
in the community, I guess, cause of a few things and if I see something wrong or if I see something positive,
I'm going to talk about it and I'm going to try to give
a voice to the people who I think deserve it.
-Okay.
TehMimi: To piggyback on Shannon, uhm, 
pretty much exactly the same.
I am basically Avril Lavigne's Wario.
I'm... very pissed off all the time. 
CS: [laughs]
Ashlee: [laughs]
TM: [laughs] And, uhm, every time I just-- I'm starting to become very frustrated seeing a lot of bias
in what a lot of what would be considered drama channels cover and I think it's time to make a change
in the community to try to say what is actually wrong opposed to what we want to cherry pick on
what's wrong and what's right to look good in the community, if that makes any sense.
-I should probably introduce myself because I'm sure people don't know who I am or even if people
know who I am - this is my side channel, I have another channel called "Edwin's Generation."
In this channel, I like to be more relaxed-- maybe I should have put this on my main channel but I guess I
chose not to because I don't have a current plan to cover but, I mean, I'm definitely not opposed to it.
I applaud you ladies for 
doing such a wonderful job so far.
My two main themes of-- that I like to do on Edwin's Generation are, like, accountability and nuance, right?
Because sure, we can-- we can point the finger
and be like, "that's a bad guy" but also
sometimes there's, like, little critical thinking we
must use to kind of point the difference and
I feel like if you're accusing someone of
something, they should have a voice, right?
Which is what we witnessed today with Jeffee Star - he defended himself against quite a few accusations.
I don't think all of them and that's what we're gonna be going over and even-- even the ones that
he defended himself, you know, I feel like that's the important part, like, I feel it's weird when people don't
want people to defend themselves because when they do, it gives you an opportunity to put a question mark
on what they're saying and really break it down.
And uh--
CS: I think that's, like-- to piggyback off that,
I think it's really important to get someone else's side because it's, like, you can't argue with someone based off
"you did this, therefore, you're bad" because it's, like, there's a million reasons why someone will do something
and I think my biggest thing is I wanted certain questions answered so could know why X, Y and Z happened.
I wanted to know, like-- I had certain questions that
I, like, posited on Twitter and to Chris that you already know about.
I was like, "I would like these answered" because it was important to me to know his reasoning why
and the fact that, at the end of the day, we still don't know because those questions were glossed over
in terms of, like, "oh, we're just gonna 
ask these really simple ones."
A: Well, every question, he responded with, like, a way of, like, just completely directing it somewhere else,
like, there was no actual answer that he gave.
-Yeah, so much of that.
So much, like, regression. 
CS: It was so annoying.
-I was, like, "what's going on here?"
A: I got so angry.
TM: Exactly.
CS: I was sitting there and, like, at the
first couple of minutes where Chris was just, like,
"a lot of people have been telling me
what they want me to say but I'm not going to say it"
and I was like, "okay, so he's
gonna say, like, better questions."
"-And I've had suggestions and people telling
me how to conduct this interview and my philosophy
on conducting interviews is to be a good listener
so that is exactly what I'm gonna do with you today."
CS: And then every question he said, Jeffree was just, like, "that's a wonderful question but also look over there! There's a seagull!"
I was like, "okay,--"
-Exact-- yeah, yeah.
CS: " --so we're not doing this."
-Lots of misdirection and blame-shifting going on there.
A: Kind of no matter what, Jeffree showed his -ss because something that I kind of caught on
to Chris doing was he was asking the same question but in different ways and he would-- Jeffree would respond
in different ways each time so he already showed his -ss and showed that he's not telling a consistent story.
-He showed his -ss.
A: I mean, Chris could do a lot better but no matter what, at the end of the day, Jeffree is, like, that-- he just--
if he wasn't as big as he was, he would 
have demolished his career with that.
TM: One thing that I found very concerning was the first couple sentences that Chris was saying in the beginning.
I have, like, some mixed feelings about 
the whole way that it was handled.
I think that he was definitely trying 
to help Jeffree look as good as possible.
-Oh!...
"-And people want to say because you were on stage when Dahvie Vanity did this, that somehow you should have reported that
and gone to the police and said 
'Dahvie Vanity is a pr-dator targeting underage girls.'
-Right."
-Jeffree would say that he didn't see anything, like, "enough", like, he would say he saw inappropriate behavior but not enough, right?
It was, like, not sufficient 
so he just kept working with him. 
A: What's enough? They're children!
-That-- see, that's-- that's what I would like to elaborate on. That's what I would like to, kind of, ask Jeffree.
Yes, because they're-- they're children.
I want to give a shout out to Petty Paige in the chat because she received a DM from Jeffree,
to my understanding, without even contacting Jeffree.
Jeffree contacted Petty-- Petty Paige - feel like I have to say the whole thing - Paige, and he was just like,
"huh, interesting how everyone can make these judgments about me without even bothering to hit me up"
but, to my understanding--
A: Everyone asked him.
TM: There's been, I think, like, four people
I can think of off the top of my head
that asked him for a comment 
before he publicly said that.
-Right, that's what I--
CS: Not even just that-- not even just, like--
those are the people who handled it privately, I've been tweeting at him for a while publicly being like,
"what is your-- like, what was the reason?"
 Essentially just screaming on Twitter
and what's--
A: And you know he sees it.
CS: Not only does he see it because he's referenced my videos, not only by name but he's also referenced my tweets
and he's, like, kind of, like, low-key
 talked about lawyers about them
and then what's weirder is that he'll
say that and then he won't, like,
message me or, like, talk to me back but he has everyone else blocked but me.
A: It's cause he's the victim.
Because he is the victim, everybody's canceling him and poor him and his $17,000,000 mansion.
-[laughs] Uhm, okay, also-- 
CS: Edwin, I just want to let you know, 
Keem wants to be in this stream.
-I'm definitely curious about his, uh, his
perspective.
Before I put him on the stream because, you know, I know the homeboy likes to talk [laughs]
I'm gonna let you guys-- I'm gonna let you ladies speak first and I'm gonna keep-- just keep talking to chat,
I'm gonna go pee and then I'll add him because I-- you know, that way I can ask some questions first but go ahead.
I need to recharge a little
bit and I'll be right back.
A: So as somebody who-- I posted this on Twitter
but, you know, I mean, not to be self-deprecating
but who am I compared to, you know, you guys's voices on Twitter but I posted something on Twitter a little bit ago
- I have never really been so angry as somebody
 who is, you know, a survivor of Dahvie -
I-- Jeffree Star is not my ally.
Whenever he was at, towards the end of the video, and he got, like, you know, the fake voice on like,
"ugh, I'm so, so sorry to anybody who's dealt with him," you're not sorry cause you don't care.
Like, I'm getting choked up talking
 about it so excuse me but, like,
he doesn't actually care-- 
CS: Are you okay?
A: I'm fine, I'm fine. [laughs]
Yeah, I'm fine. It's just, like, you know, he's not my ally. 
He doesn't care about the victims.
He doesn't at all and it's just-- that is so obvious and the way that he misdirected every question,
if he genuinely cared, he would have came on with, you know, an open heart and he would have came on
and, you know, re-word-- worded things differently.
I don't know how to explain it but, like, all I'm saying is-- 
CS: You're explaining it beautifully.
A: Oh, thank you. 
TM: I agree.
A: But he's not my ally, he's not my protector, 
he's not somebody that gives a sh-t about me.
He gives a sh-t about talking politely to viewers to seem appealing, just like the day after all this came out, he's donating $50,000 to people.
CS: Hey, you're a bad-ss, did you know that? 
Like, are you aware right now that you're a bad-ss?
A: Thank you, I appreciate it.
CS: First things first, you started with, like, "who is my voice compared to you guys" - never say that ever again
because you have the loudest voice out of all of us and your voice matters the most.
You do have a voice because without you, me, TehMimi, Edwin, Keemstar, like, nobody could say anything because
people like you are coming forward and that takes so much f-cking strength, dude.
Like, you have my respect, you have the respect of everyone in this f-cking chat
and if you don't have their respect,
 I'm gonna dropkick them, like, that's stupid.
A: [laughs]
CS: You're a bad-ss, first and foremost.
A: Thank you so much.
CS: You saying Jeffree doesn't speak 
to you says a lot because it's, like,
he is a PR guy. That's what he does, that's what he likes to do, he's like, "I know exactly what I'm going to say
in order to get people to think X, Y and Z of me."
He's out here like, "I never witnessed
 anything that-- that was that illegal,
I saw Dahvie hold a minor by the
neck and grind on them but that wasn't that bad" like,
he's doing that and in doing that--
TM: That's so gross.
CS: -- it's demeaning what some of the people
have gone through because he's just like,
"well, that wasn't that bad... for me."
 It's just like--
A: Yeah, because you're not a 12-year-old girl!
CS: Exactly.
A: Like, who are you to speak on behalf of the victims and what's too bad for them? Like, you can't relate.
Keemstar: Hey, what's up? No, I just want
to come in real quick and just ask everyone here
and everyone that's following this story
to not put pressure on me to find Jeffree Star guilty
because that is [laughs] literally impossible, okay?
Because what about-- well, first of all, we don't know if Jeffree Star is guilty but, second of all,
you've seen him in that interview, Jeffree Star is better at talking and-- and whatever than almost any YouTuber on the planet, like, [laughs]
I mean, he had Chris Hansen on there, did Chris Hansen get him? The-- the "P-do Catcher"? No, not even close.
So I don't want that pressure. 
-[laughs] "The P-do Catcher."
TM: Not only that, but-- 
K: Well, okay, listen - what Jeffree told me--
what Jeffree told me in private is very similar to what he told Chris Hansen today, right?
He said that he was told that "Darvy," right, was doing this creepy stuff with underage girls.
He believed it. I think he might have said it - and don't quote me on this because I might be wrong -
but I think he might have said he'd seen 
an underage girl go into the hotel room, right?
He called him out on Twitter, he said, "yo, this guy's a  
p-dophile" but then there was, like, a manager at Warped Tour
that convinced Jeffree that he was wrong,
that this wasn't true and then "Darvy" himself
manipulated Jeffree and said that this wasn't
true so he felt comfortable again
thinking that he might have been wrong to go on tour with them and to somehow have a relationship with them again.
I'm sorry but that's kind
of a good explanation, it really is.
-Okay--
CS: I think-- I think, at the end of the day,
what most people have an issue with-- and
we can, like, agree on to disagree on this with Keemstar,
but my issue is that if someone says "I witnessed X, Y and Z, I witnessed a crime," what I'm not gonna do is be like,
"oh, it's cool to lie about witnessing a crime cause you just wanted the clout, you just wanted the attention"
because you witnessed him go into a hotel room but then you said, "I saw him f-ck a child."
He said "100% he's a child f-cker" in the tweets. That's my thing, is that if someone falsely reports a crime,
I have an issue with that and I have a huge
issue with that as-- as a person and that's my own thing.
He could have been manipulated after the fact into thinking, "oh, he didn't actually do this, it's not that bad,"
however, even the lying-- [inaudible] the lying to me is just, like, that's overline and people are in the chat saying "#JusticeforJamesCharles"
that's another point, it's, like, why is this a constant in this person's life where they're lying about someone being a pr-dator?
A: He just lied about that, less than a year ago or a year ago, he did the same thing to James Charles
and now they're best friends again on Twitter, like, that just makes you lose all credibility and anything you say.
TM: Not only that but--
K: I'm sorry, I haven't been to a Blood On The Dance Floor concert in a while, how do you say the guy's name?
-Dahvie.
CS: Dahvie. 
TM: Dahvie Vanity. [laughs]
-Dahvie.
K: [laughs]
TM: Uhm, one thing to actually
 answer your question though, Keem, is one
example of this actually that has happened in this specific case is the fact that, uhm,
people have interviewed Jessi Slaughter, now known as Damien, and she said that, uhm-- or they said that
they witnessed Jeffree witnessing Dhavie doing this and, at that point, who do we believe now?
Because Jeffree has gone back on his word, he said in his tweet that he saw "100% illegal" things happening
and now he's saying he didn't witness anything but now we also have a potential witness to a witness saying
that he did see it happen and, in this particular situation, it wasn't even brought up in the Chris Hansen interview.
In fact, I can't recall if they even mentioned Damien at all and if they did, it was very seldomly.
-They did not.
TM: That situation wasn't brought up.
-They didn't.
A: It was very brief.
-They didn't which I think is weird because--
K: One big-- The bigger problem with all this
is that this happened so long ago, like--
A: That doesn't matter.
-Okay, well, you know--[inaudible]
K: No, I mean, it does matter in the sense of, like, trying to do an investigation and get all the facts, like, you know--
you know, people are just-- 
A: But people-- but people are reporting it
now, people are making police reports
and I'm helping these young 16-year-old girls
now that file police reports against him currently.
A girl just sent me a picture of him kissing
her on the mouth 10 years ago and she was only 13 -
that is still evidence that can be sent in  and if so many police reports are made, then it doesn't matter how long ago
it was because they have record of all these allegations and all of this that he's supposedly done.
K: Oh yeah, 100%, I'm just saying
 that it's hard-- it's-- it's--
I mean, obviously, if something is fresh and new, it's much easier to do the research and get all the facts
than something that's, like, 10 years old, that's
was my only point.
-Okay, so, Keem, I want to ask you a question,
it's kind of, like, a side topic but I'm actually--
so you're still doing an interview with, uh,
Jeffree, right? Is that clear?
K: Yeah.
-Oh okay, okay, see, cause my assumption was actually that maybe Chris Hansen hijacked it but I'm actually
surprised because I thought that
 maybe he canceled on you.
Well, what I was telling people was that-- 
K: Absolutely, Jeffree--
--I was-- I was like, "I'm-- I'm pretty sure that Chris Hansen scheduled his on Sunday so early
because he usually does these on Wednesdays to get the exclusive" and he literally, after I said that,
he labeled his "exclusive" interview with Jeffree Star.
K: [laughs] 
-So you think that as well?
K: No, 100%. 
CS: Jeffree also posted on Twitter--
he also posted on Twitter-- 
A: Jeffree was the first one.
CS: --like, "it's gonna be legendary and I needed--" like, even in the interview, he was just like, "I had to bring it
to Chris first cause he's the only person to do this,"
 I was like, "b-tch, you brought it to Keemstar first,
then people criticized you for bringing
it to Keemstar and then you did it,
like, okay."
A: Mhm-mhm.
-Right, because--
K: At the end of the day, look, Chris Hansen,
you know, he has a lot of legal problems,
he needs some money, like, geez,
let's help this boomer out, he's got some bills to pay.
CS: [laughs]
TM: [laughs]
K: No, but, uhm, I actually reached out to--
to Jeffree because I'm one of 
the few people that he follows on Twitter
and I was trying to help some of these small channels out because I seen a bunch of you guys doing this story.
Quite frankly, I'm gonna be so honest and I-- I know that there's a potential victim here and I apologize--
apologize if this comes
across as rude but
I'm just not interested in this story, like, I'm not in this--
A: That's fair.
K: I'm not in this scene at all, you know what I mean? Like, DramaAlert's in, like, pop culture and this is, like--
TM: Dark. 
K: This is kind of, like, 
the Onision thing again which, like,
that thing just got so big that I was like, "okay, I need to get involved" but I wanted to help out one of the smaller channels,
uhm, can I just say or does-- [laughs] 
CS: Go ahead, go ahead.
K: Yeah, I wanted to help out Creepshow because it seemed she was making a bunch of videos on this
and I was like, "listen, I could reach out to Jeffree for you and try to get a statement from you for your video"
so I reached out to Jeffree and I explained, you know, the tweets or whatever to him and he's like,
"I don't even know what this is about" and then
he gave me his explanation and then he said,
"hey, I think I should just go on DramaAlert" I'm like, "I really don't-- I'm not into this story, I don't know anything about it"
and then, you know, we started talking about the podcast and he agreed to come on the podcast,
I hit up Creepshow in the DMs, I was like, "this is what he said and he's coming on the podcast" so yeah,
I mean, I just-- I want to make sure that you guys aren't thinking that when I have Jeffree Star on 
Mom's Basement Podcast on Spotify
that I'm gonna catch him and all this sh-t because
 I quite frankly don't know anything about this,
like, I know little bits and pieces and
 I will ask him about the tweets,
he's gonna give me the same
answer and that's gonna be that.
-Okay, okay, I have a--
CS: I think, for the most part, 
you shouldn't market it as, like, a--
what Chris did which is what I find to be really f-cking gross which I think a lot of what Chris does is
really f-cking gross because he's a terrible, like, he's terrible at his job, like, just don't market it as a
hard-hitting interview where you're gonna answer all these questions because, at the end of the day,
that's not what it's gonna be and you're gonna bring stuff up of course but you're not planning to do that.
K: Ultimately, what you guys want to do is
find Jeffree guilty and then cancel him
for aiding and abetting in this whole thing with the--
A: That's not what I want at all.
CS: I just want an explanation.
K: It seems that way, it seems that way.
CS: I want to know why-- 
I want to know why he did that, Keemstar.
I just want to know, like, his explanation because it doesn't make sense to be, like--
like, here's how I see it - if I did something f-cked up, Keem, and you reported it and instead of telling you 
why I did it,
you, like-- I just made up excuses after excuses that were obviously not true
and more people would want to know why and that's the issue, I just want an explanation to certain questions that I have
about why he acted in a certain way including what he
did today because that was very blatant manipulation,
like, he answered the question--
K: Ultimately--
ultimately, Jeffree Star has to say, "I was wrong, 
I shouldn't have done this" or "I was wrong, I shouldn't have done that"
because obviously a mistake was made but Jeffree Star is not gonna say that, you know? [laughs]
So I don't know what you guys want!
-Well, okay, also, just to my understanding,
Keem, you're having him on two shows, right?
On the DramaAlert and on your podcast?
K: No, no, no, no, no, I'm not covering the story on DramaAlert. I'm not saying I'll never cover it on DramaAlert--[inaudible]
-Ooh, okay.
K: --it's a part of pop culture that I will--
I'll just have to cover it--[inaudible]
-Oh, okay, so we have to tune in to the podcast
on Spotify to hear that much... [laughs]
...right?
K: Yeah, I mean, guys, don't-- I'm not even trying to plug my Spotify and Mom's Basement because, honestly--
CS: [laughs]
K: --it's probably not going to be the podcast you want. I'm not trying to plug it
but it is available in Spotify-- 
-Okay, well...
K: --it is called Mom's Basement-- [inaudible] 
CS: [laughs]
K: --Faze Banks--
A: I don't want to interrupt you guys but I'm actually gonna get off because I'm gonna go check on Damien.
I just want to thank everybody again for 
letting me talk and, like, hanging out and stuff.
TM: Yeah, absolutely.
-Thank you, Ashlee. Everybody in the chat,
shout out to Ashlee.
K: I do-- I do want to say that I think even
if Creepshow had an interview with Jeffee
or any of you guys that are really working a story, I think you struggle with the same difficulties that,
like, anyone would have when you're talking to him. Jeffree's really good at talking, really good at explaining
himself--
-Sure.
K: --and, you know, I just-- [laughs]
I think the-- the whole concept of "we're gonna catch him and we're gonna get him!" is, like,
a very low, low percentage, like,
 I just think that's---
-I-- I agree, you know, it's like-- it's like you were saying earlier, easy-- similar to the Onision thing, I don't think that's an easy one-on-one, you know?
I think that-- and that's why I think the mediator could
really help in that department.
K: It's, like, you can't make someone, when
you're talking to them, say what you want to say and so,
like, when I'm interviewing
Onision, I've seen this whole group, like, get so upset,
"you had him! This was your chance!" like, dude, the guy is gonna say what he wants to say, you know what I mean?
The guy is going to put up the defense if he wants to defend, you know? It's not the interviewer's fault, right?
And the same thing with Chris Hansen,
 I mean, Chris Hansen did ask the questions
and Jeffree went somewhere else with it, right? Is it Chris Hansen's fault? You know, sometimes, I feel like you guys
are too hard on the interviewer because you just didn't get the answers that you wanted, you know what I mean?
And I feel like that
needs to be taken into consideration.
-That-- that's fair and that's why I was telling you that, like, you know-- 
CS: I can understand that.
TM: Yeah, that's fair. 
-It's-- it's-- it's-- the point of an interview
is to get their view and I think that,
you know, where I faulted you is where, you know, Onision would talk over you and, like, it's like, "dude, come on"
and then, like--
K: But it's his intervie--
like, the guy needed-- okay, in my opinion, with Onision, 
I was like, "the guy needed a platform to say what he had to say"
and I know you guys all say, "well, he uploaded all these videos on his channel" but they got no views!
-No, no, I-- I-- I... I agree with that
but then you lit-- you literally, like, kinda,
like, you hugged it out with him just like
Chris Hansen hugged it out with Jeffree, I
think that's the one point of criticism
but, otherwise, I agree - interviews are meant
to see an interview, whether people want to hear or not.
K: There are some things that Onision said 
that I agree with him,
like, when everyone was saying that he is a groomer: where is the proof for that? There is no proof.
When people are saying that-- 
-Well, let's-- let's not get too derailed
here, let's get back on here.
Anything else while we have Keemstar's attention here?
K: Don't derail me-- don't derail me, there 
is no proof of grooming, there is no place where Onision flirted with this girl when she was underage.
-We'll get back to that but I'm saying back to Jeffree Star.
TM: Yeah... [laughs]
CS: Back to the-- but, like--
K: [inaudible] --there is no proof.
-Okay, but you said you had limited time which,
Keem, I wanna-- I wanna value your time, homie.
K: I mean, don't-- don't-- don't send me in
directions, I mean, there is no proof of grooming--
-Okay.
K: --there's no proof that he broke the law.
-Everybody else hear that? No proof, all right,
we'll get to that but-- [laughs]
TM: There is one-- can I actually ask a question
about that? I was pretty critical of you in a video, uhm--
K: I mean, we-- we interviewed-- there was a girl that was in Onision's house that was right here at Edwin's show
and she literally said to me, oh, well, he was mean to her and was manipulating her to then be nice to her later,
I-- okay, but you're not inside of Onision's head, that isn't proved, like, there would-- there would have to be,
like, Onision being, like, "oh, you're hot" or, you know, "I like you" or flirting with her or something when she's underage.
There would have to be that to call that grooming.
TM: I want to say something that's-- I'm sorry, I keep getting, like, excited and cutting people up and
I don't mean to but, uhm, then the conversation gets brought on to something else and I don't want to drag it
too far back so, when you're done, 
can I say something really quick?
-Oh no, yeah, is it about the Onision stuff?
TM: No.
-Oh, okay, let me just close out the Onision
conversation because, yeah--
what I meant by derail, I meant, like, let's try to stick to Jeffree Star. Back to Jeffree Star,
floor is on TehMimi, go on.
TM: Okay, so uhm, this really just got under my skin a lot. The biggest-- one of the biggest things that really
infuriated me about this whole interview is that Jeffree and Chris Hansen were talking about--
well, Jeffree was talking about, like, drama channels covering it and I'm not gonna sit here and say that
every single drama channel covering things
like this isn't doing it for personal gain
but, as somebody who is one of the louder
channels talking about this right now, I found that to be
very irritating because Chris Hansen--
[sighs] okay, I'm gonna try to be vague here - there is a situation that I was-- that was brought to my attention
and it was-- it's something that's going on now something that Dahvie is involved in
and it's something that's very, very concerning.
-Okay.
TM: And I felt that this was extraordinarily serious so I wanted to reach out to Chris Hansen to inform him because
my perception was: he always talks
 about having these legal contacts all the time
and I assumed that maybe he would still have those considering how much he talks himself up with that reputation
so I finally get in contact with Chris Hansen and I give him the information hoping that he would get back to me
with some information, like, "oh, I've contacted authorities." He asked me if I wanted to have a call about it,
not, like, something public that I am under the impression of, just, like, to one-on-one talk about
the information I provided and
I said, "yeah" and then, uhm...
he never got back to me and it's been about-- it was about two weeks I was waiting
and, at this point, I was becoming way too, like--
 it was-- it was too long of time at this point so I
figured out-- actually, Shannon helped me, we figured out how to talk about their talk to
higher authorities. I'd emailed police departments
by this point to no avail on so the next step
was to contact the FBI and it was actually
easier than I thought it was to get in touch with them
and I'm just frustrated that he--
the way that they made it sound like is that
other channels covering this topic are, like,
insignificant when I feel like, at this point,
we're doing more work than Chris Hansen is.
"-I think that it's amazing that you're giving them a voice and someone that's actually respected, okay? Uhm...
no offense or shade to what, you know, we call them "drama channels," Chris, in the YouTube world
or people that "report news," a lot of people do not have great intentions."
TM: It just seems like a slap in the face, like,
we are trying really hard to work on
this because we care.
Some people, obviously, do have, like, personal gain in mind but I think that those of us who are taking--
or that have the balls to start saying these
things-- there's a lot that I've talked about
the past two weeks that really could have
jeopardized my entire public image and,
on top of that, there's been stuff going behind
the scenes that is so, to me, serious and concerning
and I trusted somebody to get in
contact with authorities.
I don't know if he has or not because he hasn't gotten back to me and it just, personally,
if I were in the same position as him right now, the first thing I would do is get back to the person concerned like,
"hey, yes, I've contacted
the authorities over this," it just-- it seems--
[sighs] it's-- it's disheartening.
-And no offense to-- to Keemstar but for Jeffree to diss on drama channels and then, shortly after, be going on Keemstar channel,
where is the logic?
K: No, I'm not a drama channel. I'm literally DramaAlert, my show has been around before there was even a
drama community or drama channels so
 I just don't even consider it--
TM: I wouldn't consider-- 
K: --being a drama channel.
-What?! 
TM: Yeah, I wouldn't consider
 any of us talking right now-- well,
no offense, Keemstar, but if anybody was, your name's DramaAlert but, like, us, like, I feel like there's definitely a difference
between people who, like, talk about these serious topics and people who go around saying,
"oh, this is tea, sis," like, there's definitely 
a level of severity that differs
and it's-- it's-- I guess, like, what I said in one of my videos, it's like comparing [inaudible] they look very similar but
there's definitely a difference there.
K: Yeah, the-- the channels that people call--
the channels that people call drama channels,
they're really commentary channels but they--
I don't know why they're called drama channels,
that's something out of the beauty community
but they really are just commentary channels.
CS: My biggest thing-- and I think, like,
I don't know if this is gonna give me sh-t
but when I was on stream by myself, 
I was, like, talking about it.
My biggest thing in terms of Chris Hansen and, like, just Chris Hansen and Jeffree, I guess, saying sh-t about,
like, commentary channels and drama channels
and people and all that stuff:
Chris Hansen doesn't do his own research. Chris Hansen does faulty research.
Chris Hansen was only good when he had researchers around him, researchers pulling things for him because
he wasn't the person 
behind the scenes pulling everything.
On YouTube, TehMimi's doing her own research, I'm doing my own research, are we sharing stuff? Of course.
Edwin and, like, Keemstar, I think you actually have researchers but everyone goes and looks sh-t up for ourselves,
we find things and we break the news. Chris
Hansen looks at other people and says,
"oh, they said this, I just found this out, someone emailed me and so I'll say it" and he doesn't fact check, 
he doesn't do anything.
We know, we've caught him doing this 
for multiple, multiple, multiple times.
K: I-- I-- [laughs]
 CS: He'll something that, like, oh, that's not right.
He's just an idiot.
K: What she just said is so true, like, Chris
Hansen is, like, you know, he's--
he's letting other people do the work and then he's jumping on after the fact which you can say the
same thing about me when I interviewed Onision
but at least I had a different opinion,
I didn't follow the crowd and make up lies and
say that "he's going into jail! He's 100% going to jail!
He's being investigated by
the FBI," like, I didn't said that, that's bullsh-t.
-And at least-- at least you joined my show afterwards and you saw the chat sh-t on you and
 will Chris Hansen ever do that?
CS: No-- that's the thing, my biggest thing is that Chris Hansen wants to sh-t on drama and commentary channels
and all these stuff that are pulling receipts-- 
-Big mistake.
CS: --for him, he's taking receipts that we have and he's saying like, "oh, my team found this" and it's like, b-tch,
your team had Vincent Nicotra, the guy who's doxxing people, the guy who's lying about owning your website,
the guy who's a sc-mbag. Your team has a lawyer
who's been accused and admitted to s-xual assault
so how are you gonna say, like, "oh, my team is, like, the top in the land," no, they're not, Chris.
No, they're not. You're taking things from other people, you're putting people on your channel
who take things from other people who don't know what they're freakin' talking about and then you're sh-tting on us?
Okay, Chris, do your own work.  Where are you gonna be? Nowhere, ya f-cking dipsh-t,
ya broke -ss b-tch, okay-- 
-Oh-- oh, oh-- Shan-- Shannon, let's, uh... 
TM: [laughs]
K: I would say something bad about Chris Hansen but he just wrote me a fat check now I just gotta wait to see if it clears.
-You know it's gonna bounce, dude, come on! 
CS: [laughs]
It's gonna bounce, b-tch!
-Oh god, he set us-- he set us all up 
to do that-- double roast him!
CS: Really, like, that's my biggest thing is-- I have such a problem with Chris and when Chris came for us
in the f-cking thing and he was just like, "these channels are spreading around this video and you say that
video doesn't show what it is" and I'm like,
"okay, you're so-- you're so stupid, Chris,
because if you watch the video and you watch the response, you would know what would have happened--"
Ashley Kyle, I love you too-- but, like, there's so much dumb bullsh-t that I'm seeing that I'm just like,
"Chris f-cking Hansen needs to shut his mouth before I come and shut it for him,"
metaphorically, I'm not gonna hurt him, he's like 90 but still, it's, like, [inaudible]
TM: [laughs]
-O-- Okay, alright.
TM: That and, uhm--
K: Edwin, Edwin, can we talk about grooming?
Can we talk about grooming, please?
-Why-- why-- okay, okay, okay-- hold up--
K: Cause I need to hear [inaudible]
I want to know how I'm wrong, please.
-Let's have order in court.
TM: Real quick, I wanted to say one thing
is, uhm, my opinion with, like, Chris Hansen so--
like, there's been, like, a slope, sort of, like, 
a decline, like, as time went on more and more,
I, like, I've become more and more disappointed and
the past month and a half has been the most disappointing for me and while this is, like, definitely, like--
like, the straw that broke the camel's back, I don't want to make it seem like, "oh, it was because Chris dissed us
that I'm mad now," I've been really disappointed in him for quite a while at this point and now it's just to a point where I can't
not say anything anymore because this is ridiculous.
CS: My biggest thing is that I have given Chris to the benefit of the doubt time after time after time,
like, sure, did he employ a guy who doxxed people, who said "all publicity is good publicity" when he was, like,
filing copyright strikes, doing all that bullsh-t? Yeah, he did but maybe he didn't know, maybe he just, like,
had no idea that the one person 
everyone was talking about on his team was bad.
But then, like, as time went on, it was just, like, so-- it was getting so and so more obvious that Chris Hansen
was not operating on, like, a good faith basis. He was literally just, like, saying what he thought people wanted to hear.
K: Didn't Chris Hansen guarantee Onision was going to be in jail? I thought it was, like, a guaranteed thing, like,
what-- what happened to that?
-[ironically imitating Chris] "Well, you know, it takes time with these things and with Covid-19 going around
but don't worry, we got that
psycho brat of an--" and it's just--
yeah, I'm sorry-- my impression--
K: [laughs]
CS: Not only that but the one piece of evidence
that could have been used to put Onision away,
the one thing we were told, "this is the smoking
f-cking gun, guys, don't even worry about it,
this thing has so much evidence, it's
gonna make him poop his little pants,"
we were told that and then literally what ended up happening is he was just like, "oh yeah, send it over to Vince,
Vince will just keep it, 
admit to f-cking around with it and then nothing.
We're not going to send it to the FBI, we're not going to close this case, we're not gonna do anything.
We're just gonna talk about it,"
 and, to me, the moment I heard,
"they didn't send it off to the FBI," Chris Hansen, Chris motherf-cking Hansen didn't send proof off to the FBI,
something that I've done even before I was on YouTube; I was sitting there and I was like,
"how the f-ck are you going to, like, come back online without your tail between your legs and say, like, 
'I f-cked this up for you guys.'"
K: To be fair, I think you guys are all going
waaay too hard on Chris Hansen.
-I mean, you know--
K: The guy literally stopped Covid-19. [inaudible]
-[laughs]
CS: [laughs] 
TM: [laughs]
CS: You're right, Keem, I am so sorry.
Can we give an apology on Your Mom's Basement on Spotify? That's "Your Mom's Basement" on Spotify.
-We have a balance here of personalities--
K: And it's free, by the way. Free.
CS: It's free on Spotify. [laughs]
--we have chaotic good, we have neutral good,
I guess, I would be the closest to that and
then we have another sort of chaotic...
I don't know what the f-ck Keem is but...
I will say that I-- I think that Chris Hansen, uhm... 
says too much without giving anything, like,
he's constantly saying, "oh, it's happening" but stop saying it if you can't provide it, you know?
It makes you look like a weak authority figure which, you know, we all got-- everybody got a raging b-ner when
it's like, "oh my God, Chris Hansen's on Onision!" I mean, let's face it, Chris Hansen before Onision was covering
Ice Poseidon and OnlyUseMeBlade which, Keem,
I believe you know these people but then,
as soon as Onision comes, his views spike
and he deletes those videos, what's up with that?
Now, with this Onision new found goldmine, he mentions him in every single Dahvie Vanity stream but for what?
Why does he have to mention Onision 
if nothing is f-cking happening?
You're making the Onision story look bad,
Chris Hansen, and I know you're watching.
Please, stop mentioning Onision
 in these Dahvie Vanity live streams,
we already have one big
 f-cking monster actually f-cking kids.
Why are you talking about Onision?!
K: Hold on, hold on-- [inaudible]
-I didn't know I was gonna pop off, sorry. 
Thank you for stopping me.
K: Why-- why do you guys want to stop talking about Onision, right? Like, all the same YouTubers
that we're covering the Onision story are now covering the "Darvy"? "Dama"? What's his name? Story. [laughs]
-Dahvie.
CS: Dahvie.
K: Like, you guys have completely switched,
right? If it was the beauty community covering
the story on Jeffree Star, you know, it just never would happen and I don't think the beauty community
is covering this story on Jeffree
Star because Jeffree Star has a long pole
within those drama channels, within the beauty
community, right? So I think that's why Jeffree Star,
you know, responded to all this because
he had to, like, this is outside of his community,
it's the old anti O, Onision YouTubers that
are covering this news story.
My final thought was-- sorry, go ahead.
-It's-- it's-- so, okay, so, I think you misunderstood because what I'm saying is-- is
Chris is providing non updates. All he is saying is that "the FBI is still looking into him," he's not saying anything new.
I'm not saying don't cover Onision and, you know, I am planning on covering it but, like, at this point,
it's reached a stale point, like, what else can you say? There's literally no updates, it's--
it's reached the point where if you--
TM: That's--
--if you continue to cover him, it's gonna
look like a joke which is what it, you know,
there's-- there's valid videos by-- [inaudible]
K: [inaudible]
-Huh?
K: Are you [inaudible] that the 
Onision thing looks like a joke now?!
-It's beginning to look like a joke because people are squeezing it out when there's nothing there, like, it's-- everything's out already
and it gets to a point where--
K: From Edwin.
You've heard it right here from Edwin, 
there is nothing there.
-No, no, no, I'm saying--
TM: There's one thing I want to say.
CS: To make a bigger point out of what Edwins's saying
is that there's some channels like
Edwin, I would like to say like myself
but, like, people can think otherwise, who have
talked about the Onision situation,
who have talked about, like, the Jay Station situation,
who have talked about different things like this
who will say things like, "we'll make
videos when a video is necessary" like,
if something comes out about Onision that's,
like, groundbreaking like it changes the game,
we're gonna sit there and be like, "hey guys,
X, Y and Z happened, here's the update."
There are some people, I'm not naming names, uhm, I want to but they make videos on Onision
every f-cking day, they're like, "Onision
posted this on Twitter, oooh, crazy."
K: Yeah, remember when-- remember when Repzion made a 5-part series about Onision chopping down trees. [laughs]
I remember that! Look, I mean, at the end of the day, a lot of channels  were built and revived on making
Onision videos and one of those is Chris Hansen, right? So of course they're going to continue to talk about it
but, I mean, why am I sitting here saying there's no evidence of grooming? Because one - I haven't seen it,
I have yet to see it, I mean, everyone just hates on me and says I'm wrong and "how could you?"
like, there is no purpose for me to--
-Define grooming.
What is grooming to-- 
K: --come out and defend Onision in shape or form because it all results in people giving me hate
and there is, in fact, an incentive to say "Onision's guilty" and "Onision is being investigated by the FBI"
and "Onision's going to go to jail" and make these angry anti Onision videos because there is support,
look at everyone in this godd-mn chat, "he's 100% guilty," you know? I'm sorry but this anti O community needs a reality check,
I think, you know, between me and the Onision interview and some other commentators that made videos towards the end
giving this community a reality check, I think that's done and over and, like Edwin said, there's nothing there.
-"Blueskidoo: 'someone probably has dirt on Jeffree.'" 
What are you guy's thoughts on that?
CS: I don't think that's true. I think everyone's just trying to look for a reason why it's okay that he did what he did
so there's scapegoating and being like, "well, someone's holding it against him" when if Jeffree comes online and says,
"there were no contracts" which he said in the Hansen interview, "nobody has any dirt on me--"
-Oh, oh.
CS: --which he said in the Hansen interview--
-So I-- I think that-- I don't think it's
about having dirt, I think he just doesn't
care enough or doesn't know how to handle
so he's just planning really politically safe, right?
I feel like that's as politically safe
as he could have done it but I definitely, people-- oh,
I guarantee people have plenty
of dirt on Jeffree but he's a very intimidating person.
In fact, I've been getting messages
from 7, supposedly, reputable adults and stuff
and I'll look into it but, like, there's people
definitely with-- with dirt on Jeffree, you know?
He used to be a pretty bad person as
we can see from, uhm, you know, bragging about
having s-x with someone who's blackout drunk
and literally puking on the toilet and humiliating them,
pulling their pants down and making them fall down the stairs, that's some weird-- wicked sh-t, like,
that's not some sh-t that
everybody does 10 years ago.
You can't just say, "oh, it was 10 years ago" like, I don't have-- I never did that 10 years ago, did every--
anybody in the chat, like, film someone puking and brag about how they just had s-x with them right before that?
Is that a normal thing?
 Like, am I missing something here?
TM: Definitely-- yeah.
CS: My biggest thing is Jeffree, when he was doing that,
is, like, the age I am now or
the age I was, like, 3 years ago.
-Right.
CS: And I'm sitting here and I'm like, "you know what?
I'm an adult woman who pays bills, pays her taxes, is in an apartment, like, does all this stuff"
and what I'm saying is like, "would I ever do this?" and the answer is no, that's f-cking weird and that's f-cking
gross.
Everyone has their own story but I'm sitting here, like, I don't know, as an adult in my life and, like,
life around myself, who would do that? So that's not normal, it's, like, what the f-ck are you doing?
TM: Exactly.
-And, you know, a lot of people in the chat 
actually haven't seen this video
so I'm actually gonna play it but I'll try to skip around the vomiting part because
that's pretty disgusting and
 I know a lot of people can be triggered by that and--
"-They're gonna come at you and say, "whoa, we saw this video on YouTube from, you know, 8/9/10 years ago where--
-Yeah.
--you know, there's Jeffree Star in a bathroom saying that he had something going on with this fellow the night before
and he's sick to his stomach from drinking and--
-Yeah.
--they're gonna make you look like a pr-dator here.
-Oh, of course, and they always have.
-What do you say about that, though? Because,
you know, look, it's-- it's not a flattering video."
"-I have no makeup on and I still look godd-mn better than them, don't hate, b-tch, because you nasty and I'm gonna f-ck your boyfriend!
ALL RIGHT, B-TCH!
Thank you.
Uhm, so, usually, after we sleep with people, we want them out of our house and this guy
passed out in my bathroom and he won't wake up and I'm gonna k-ll myself.
-So we're gonna get him the f-ck out of here.
-Did you love f-cking me?
Man: Mhm-hm...
-You did, huh?
Wake up, please? 
M: Hm...
-Hi.
M: Hm...
-Wake up.
You thought Chris Brown was bad? [slaps] Come on.
-[laughs]
 -Wake up."
"You thought Chris Brown was bad? Come on, wake up."
"-Please, please, God."
-Okay, hold on, he's about to puke so let me just, uh...
CS: There's a lot of puke in that video.
TM: Ugh
"-I wish he was puking on my face.
-Yes, b-tch.
That sh-t f-cking wetter than The Little Mermaid's p-ssy.
Don't drink.
M: [spits]
-Please.
-And f-ck.
-Yeah. And what?
-Don't drink and f-ck.
-Amen."
I want to remind you guys, in the Chris Hansen interview, he brushed it off like, "oh, just was-- it was just some guy
we picked off the bar and then the next day he told me to took it-- take it down so I did, you know?
 It's not a big deal."
Okay, let's keep watching.
That's his bare -ss. Or is it?
Oh, that is. Yeah, they were just pulling--
"-[inaudible], grab his hand."
Paige: Oh my goodness...
"Jeffree: Crawling.
Girl: Like Diva. [laughs] 
J: [laughs] Crawl like my dog.
Okay, down the stairs.
Pull your pants up.
Please.
Don't choke on your vomit, I don't want you to d-e.
M: I ain't gonna d-e...
J: I'm gonna k-ll you first."
-Okay, so, now, let's remember the context
here - Jeffree Star said in the Chris Hansen interview,
"people never ask the context,
right? What happened before? What happened after?"
So, according to Jeffree Star, his context of what happened after and what happened before
was he picked him up from a bar and then, afterwards, he took down the video so it's no problem?
I don't know, I'm confused, let me-- anybody else can chime in on this cause I'm confused.
P: Yeah, well, I've had a situation where I told my friend that this is what you look like and I've had to nurse you
like a baby but, at the same time,
 I kind of feel like this situation was exploitative.
-Right.
P: And that was my issue with the whole entire thing.
Not-- not necessarily, like, him filming
somebody, it's just him filming them
in an explosive way and I worry about the fact that he would have gone home in his car and choked on his
own vomit in his bed and all that kind
of stuff so I feel like, even though he
doesn't know this person or whatever, he still had somewhat of a duty of care and I just wish that he'd done something
but, at the same time, you know, 
has everyone not filmed a friend drunk before?
-Right, right, but did you see the interview with 
Chris Hansen when he addressed this?
P: Yeah, he just kind of glazed over it but, I mean, to be honest, what did we expect?
He glazed over a lot of issues, there was a lot of non answers, there was a lot of book passing, do you get what I mean? So I'm--
"-Of course it looks probably crazy but that's
a drunk person throwing up in a toilet.
What happened after? What happened before? No one ever wants to ask any questions,
they just want to copy and paste
 and write their own narrative.
That-- that video was on MySpace and had millions of views.
Later, that dude asked me to delete it and said, 'hey, I'm trying to do a serious job in government' and he lived in San Diego,
'please, delete that video' so I deleted it."
-Well, I guess the issue that I had is because he said that this is a guy he picked off of a bar and then, the next day,
the guy said, "can you take that off because I have a government job?" And, you know, Jeffree Star was big on MySpace
so obviously, it, like, concerned the man so I think there's a difference between filming a friend
and humiliating them on a private-- sorta private level, even if you did on social media--
P: Yeah.
TM: Yeah.
--than, like, blasting that to your whole Myspace from a guy that you just met up off a bar.
P: Uhm, I think he just kind of went along
with the narrative that it was just this time
of outrage culture and whilst I understand
that it was outrage culture at that time,
it's just, like-- [sighs] it's-- it's difficult
because, in my head, I'm like, I remember that time,
I was a scene kid in that time,
I was playing Jeffree Star's music in that time,
I remember that time very well and outrage culture was definitely in but, at the same time, to just kind of
dust it under the rug as that and 
not actually address it, it just honestly--
like, we all do stuff in the past, like, this the part, like, I'm not a complete horrible human being,
we all do stuff in the past, we've all said things are awful, we've all made mistakes but then we have to kind of
somewhat hold ourselves accountable when-- when the time comes, do you get what I mean?
If you said something bullsh-tty in the past then just say, "you know, I said something bullsh-tty in the past."
My issue with this whole entire situa-- will-- 
situation will be and always will be that
this was never going to be a positive outcome for Jeffree Star and I knew that from the jump because it's either
he lied about the statutory r-pe of a minor or
told the truth about the statutory r-pe of a minor
 and did absolutely nothing about it.
There's several things I can make excuses for but that is the one thing that I just simply cannot make an excuse for.
And... there was no out for me and I was-- even in the back of my head, I was somewhat hoping
that in this interview with Chris Hansen 
that there was gonna be an out,
that he was gonna tell me something that would make me think, "you know what? I look like a d-mn fool now"
and he didn't prove me wrong.
Pointed the finger, he passed the book and it was just--
 it was just sad to see and it was sad to see
Chris Hansen get so freakin' starstruck,
like, who the h-ll is Jeffree Star
 in the grand scheme of life?
-Yeah, yeah.
P: You know what I mean? It was just
 so sad to see him so starstruck
and ask questions like, "who is Jeffree today?" Who gives a f-ck? You can see his YouTube channel,
we know who Jeffree is today, godd-mn! Why are you asking such ridiculous pandering questions?
CS: Yeah, I think, at the end of the day, what Chris was trying to do, and I brought this up earlier, it's, like,
any time things got really f-cking hard in the interview, he would be like,
"also, you give a lot of money away, let's talk about that because we just talked about you excusing--"[inaudible]
P: Oh yes, Jeffree Star--[inaudible]
TM: First of all, I'm still waiting to figure out what people lied about because there was still no confirmation that,
you know, what tweets were photoshopped? 
What-- what's-- what's the lie here?
-Right.
TM: But, secondly, is the fact that, uhm,
again, as I mentioned earlier, 
I'm really disappointed with how-- [sighs]
not how easy this interview was but there were a lot of questions that could have been asked and
I feel as though they were avoided and I don't
know if this was influenced in any way,
I don't want to say that because I don't know
but it definitely feels though as though it points
he was pandering and I know Keem earlier was saying that, you know, we become upset because we don't get the answers--
-We want. 
TM: --that are-- that we want but I think
there's a little more to do with the idea that,
I think, they had a conversation before
the interview began, they had a conversation last week.
We don't know what was said in
those conversations--
-I can find out.
TM: Were these
picked questions? 
-Yes.
TM: Or were, like--
P: [inaudible] sorry-- sorry to interrupt.
TM: Oh no, you're fine, you're fine.
P: I knew that this-- I knew that this conversation was going to be an absolute bulls-ht conversation from the moment--
sorry, I don't know if I'm
allowed to swear but I'm gonna. [laughs]
TM: [laughs]
CS: [laughs]
-Can you say bullpoop?
P: [laughs] Okay, bullpoop conversation. Uhm--
-Okay, you can say bullsh-t afterward, I just
wanted to hear you say bullpoop so...
P: [laughs]
CS: [laughs] 
TM: [laughs]
P: But I knew it was gonna be a sh-tty conversation purely by how he described the interviews like,
"coming up on 'Take a Seat with Chris Hansen,' we have Jeffree Star! The YouTube [inaudible]" and I'm like--
"-I had a long conversation with Jeffree today
and he is going to join me exclusively
live on a special edition of
 'Have a Seat with Chris Hansen.'"
"-We've got an exclusive interview
 with Jeffree Star on Sunday."
P: I can't stand Chris Hansen, I'm just gonna be honest.
I cannot stand him. 
-Oh my God! [laughs]
P: I think he's, like,
the worst-- 
-Every YouTuber I had has had a roast-- sorry,
I didn't mean to interrupt you, keep going.
P: [laughs] I just-- I just think he's, like,
the worst, worst person to deal with this
kind of stuff ever because 
everything is so self-serving and,
I mean, I'm sorry to completely derail but I don't know if anybody's aware of this or if anybody knows about this -
there is the Pablo Escobar phone situation--
-Oh yeah.
P: --I don't if anyone has been talking about
that but, like, just the fact that he was
even able to promote a product that he's never
used, never touched, never handled,
doesn't even know about and I was just like, "so it's about money then," do you get what I mean? I would never.
I know a lot of YouTubers and
influencers who would never actively promote
a product that they've never seen work, they've
never seen in action, they've never read reviews,
just say it because they were paid to and
I was like, "that shows your level of integrity, sir
and, because of that, I'm now not going
to listen to a single word of what you say."
-That's an easy 50 bucks.
P: And this interview has solidified for me
that he is entirely incompetent and when it comes down to creating a story to fit a celebrity narrative that he will do so.
I wouldn't want him to interview real -ss bad -ss individuals like R. Kelly, like Weinstein, do you get what I mean?
I wouldn't want him to interview people like that, 
do you get what I mean?
-Yeah.
P: Because, given the opportunity, would he
be starstruck with real pr-dators?
Like, do you get what I mean?
-Oh... good point. 
P: And I know that Jeffree Star is not a pr-dator,
I know that he's not the focus of this situation
but what he has done is harmed the investigation
severely because now people are gonna
sit there and go, "hm, is Damien lying? 
Oh, well, if he was able to lie about this,
was he lying about that 
whole situation with James Charles last year?"
TM: Exactly.
P: Do you know what I mean? And it just--
it invalidates so much and it's so harmful
and he didn't address that
but he didn't address that because
 simply the questions weren't asked.
-Right.
