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>> GOOD EVENING, THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR
THIS LIVE EDITION OF BEING WELL.
I'M ONE OF YOUR HOSTS TONIGHT, KE'AN ARMSTRONG.
THIS IS OUR OTHER HOST, THE NEW HOST OF BEING
WELL.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, I'M LACEY SPENCE.
I'M EXCITED TO BE TAKING OVER THE SHOW.
NOW TO GET TO THE TOPIC, CORONAVIRUS AND MENTAL
HEALTH.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
WITH THE GLOBAL PANDEMIC, IT'S BEEN A STRESSFUL
YEAR FOR EVERYONE.
>> SO WE'LL BE DIVING INTO THE ISSUES WE'VE
ALL BEEN FACING AND HEALTHY WAYS TO COPE WITH
OUR PANEL OF EXPERTS COMING UP NEXT.
SO STAY TUNED.
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>> FOR OVER 50 YEARS HORIZON HEALTH HAS BEEN
KEEPING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HEALTHY.
AND ALTHOUGH SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED, HORIZON
HEALTH'S COMMITMENT TO MEET THE EVERCHANGING
NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY HAS REMAINED THE SAME.
HORIZON HEALTH, 50 YEARS STRONG.
>> LORI: THEY'RE THE ONES WHO RAISE THE BAR.
THE ONES DEDICATED TO PROVIDING CARE IN THE
MOST DEMANDING OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
THE ONES THAT UNDERSTAND THE HEALING BENEFITS
OF KINDNESS AND COMPASSION.
THEY'RE THE PEOPLE OF SARAH BUSH LINCOLN,
AND THEY SET THE BAR HIGH.
SARAH BUSH LINCOLN� TRUSTED, COMPASSIONATE
CARE, RIGHT HERE, CLOSE TO HOME.
>> CARLE IS REDEFINING HEALTHCARE AROUND YOU.?
? INNOVATING NEW SOLUTIONS, AND OFFERING ALL
LEVELS OF CARE, WHEN AND WHERE YOU NEED IT.?
? INVESTING IN TECHNOLOGY AND RESEARCH TO
OPTIMIZE HEALTHCARE, CARLE WITH HEALTH ALLIANCE,
IS ALWAYS AT THE FOREFRONT TO HELP YOU THRIVE.
>> WELCOME BACK.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THE TOPIC, WE'D LIKE TO
INTRODUCE OUR PANEL.
FIRST, DR.
MARILYN FREY, ONE OF THE LONGESTPRACTICING
CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGISTS IN ILLINOIS, OVER 50
YEARS EXPERIENCE, FULLTIME PROFESSOR, AFFILIATED
WITH HORIZON HEALTH FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
>> WE ALSO WELCOME TO THE SHOW TERRI JOHNSON,
OUTPATIENT COORDINATOR AND DANESSA CARTER,
PH.D., SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER COUNSELOR, BOTH
WITH OUR HEALTHCARE IN CHARLESTON.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
AS WE START THIS EVENING, ONE OF THE BIGGEST
THINGS WE'D LIKE TO HIT IS NORMALIZING WHAT
WE'RE ALL FEELING.
IT VARIES FROM PERSON TO PERSON.
WE'LL START WITH YOU, DR.
FREY.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO NORMALIZE FEELINGS?
>>�Marilyn:�FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED TO LOOK
AT THAT PEOPLE, UNFORTUNATELY, STILL DO NOT
LOOK AT MENTAL HEALTH IN THE SAME WAY AS PHYSICAL
HEALTH.
AND SADLY, WHEN THEY'RE FEELING NORMAL DEPRESSION,
OR ANXIETY� AND I EMPHASIZE THE WORD NORMAL
AT THIS POINT� THEY HIDE IT BECAUSE FOR
SOME REASON, THEY THINK THERE'S SOMETHING
WRONG WITH THEM.
SADLY� AND THE REALITY IS THAT WITH WHAT
WE'RE ALL GOING THROUGH NOW, THERE ARE FAR
MORE EMOTIONS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.
AND HOW COULD WE NOT?
AND I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE, HOW COULD
WE NOT FEEL DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, FEAR, ANGER,
AND EVEN AGGRESSION.
AND SO ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FOR
ME IS HELPING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S OKAY.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU FOR HAVING
THESE FEELINGS.
IF YOU DIDN'T, I WOULD QUESTION DENIAL, OKAY?
SO, I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE
ARE VERY DIFFICULT TIMES.
BUT I ALSO WANT YOU TO HEAR THAT RESEARCH
HAS SHOWN THAT A LOT OF US HAVE SOMETHING
CALLED THE RESILIENCE GENE, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY
GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, OKAY?
>> MHMM.
DANESSA, TERRI, ARE YOU SEEING THAT, TRYING
TO PUT PEOPLE AT EASE THAT IT'S OKAY TO FEEL
WHAT YOU'RE FEELING?
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS DIFFERENT IN
THIS CIRCUMSTANCES THAN OTHERS WE'VE HAD IS
THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE ALL GOING THROUGH
TOGETHER, THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE IN THE HELPING
PROFESSION, IF YOU'RE IN A POSITION OF AUTHORITY
LIKE AS A TEACHER, A SERVICE WORKER LIKE A
POLICE OFFICER, AMBULANCE WORKERS, ALL OF
US ARE DEALING WITH A CRISIS AS WELL AS TRYING
TO CONTINUE TO DO OUR JOBS AND HELP OTHERS,
WHICH I THINK COMPLICATES THINGS EVEN FURTHER.
AND THAT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT I DON'T
THINK HAS OCCURRED THAT I CAN RECALL IN OUR
HISTORY WHERE EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE GOING
THROUGH SOMETHING SO CRITICAL AND DEVASTATING.
>> MHMM.
AS A HELPER, TO BE ABLE TO DISTANCE YOURSELF
FROM YOUR OWN STUFF.
I THINK OF WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE
GOT MAYBE EVEN JUST SHORTSTAFFED.
WE WENT TO TELEHEALTH AND NOW WE'RE HAVING
TO LEARN TO DO OUR JOBS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
TO SERVE OUR CLIENTS IN THE BEST WAY AND TO
HELP THEM WITH THEIR ADJUSTMENTS, AS WE'RE
ADJUSTING ON THE FLY AS WELL.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
I THINK IT'S HARD TO LEARN HOW TO JUGGLE SOMETHING
THAT YOU'VE NEVER DEALT WITH BEFORE.
NONE OF US HAVE DEALT WITH THIS BEFORE.
WE'RE ALL QUESTIONING, ARE WE DOING THINGS
THE RIGHT WAY?
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT?
AND LEARNING TO TALK TO EACH OTHER AND UNDERSTAND
EACH OTHER'S SITUATION ALONG THE WAY AS WELL
IS DIFFICULT, TOO.
>> YOU BRING UP A REALLY GOOD POINT, OKAY,
WHICH IS BEING ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER.
THIS IS CRITICAL THAT YOU DON'T SELFISOLATE
EVEN IF YOU'RE PHYSICALLY ISOLATING YOURSELF.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO WITH MY PATIENTS
IS THAT I ACTUALLY WILL HAVE THEM MAKE A LITTLE
BIT OF A LIST AS TO PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE GOING
TO TALK TO.
AND INTERESTING ENOUGH, NOT JUST CLOSE FRIENDS
OR FAMILY, BUT I LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE THINK
OF SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE MORE SHY AND INHIBITED
AND EMBARRASSED, AND PUT THEM ON THIS LITTLE
LIST.
AND I'M A BIG LIST PERSON, OKAY?
>> WE LIKE THAT AROUND HERE.
>> A BIG LIST PERSON.
AND HAVE PEOPLE ACTUALLY LOOK AT HOW MANY
TIMES A WEEK DID I TALK TO THEM?
AND I MEAN IN A HEALTHY WAY, NOT IN A NEGATIVE
WAY.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO
LOOK AT RIGHT NOW IS THAT WHEN WE'RE ALL SO
OVERWHELMED, IT'S VERY EASY TO GET INTO NEGATIVITY,
OKAY?
SO THAT WAS A VERY GOOD POINT YOU BROUGHT
UP.
>> THANK YOU FOR EXPANDING ON THAT AS WELL.
WOULD EITHER OF YOU LIKE TO ADD ONTO THAT?
>> I THINK ISOLATION IS SOMETHING THAT'S JUST
BEEN ABSOLUTELY DEVASTATING FOR PEOPLE WITH
A RANGE OF MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES INCLUDING
ADDICTION.
I HAD A CLIENT SAY TO ME THAT IT FELT LIKE
SHE WAS USING SUBSTANCES AGAIN.
ALL OF HER BEHAVIORS DURING LOCKDOWN WERE
VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IT HAD BEEN WHEN SHE
WAS IN ACTIVE ADDICTION.
SO SHE WASN'T GOING OUT OF HER HOUSE AS MUCH,
SHE WASN'T TALKING TO PEOPLE, ALL OF THE NORMAL
THINGS THAT SHE WAS DOING PREVIOUSLY LIKE
GOING TO SELFHELP MEETINGS OR INPERSON GROUPS
WERE NO LONGER HAPPENING.
SO CHANGING THE WAY� AND BEING MORE INTENTIONAL
IN HOW YOU REACH OUT TO PEOPLE AND LOOKING
FOR ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF CONNECTING WITH
OTHERS.
>> MHMM.
AND I THINK THAT HELPS US OF US TO BUILD RESILIENCE
TO IT.
BUT WITHOUT THAT REACHING OUT, WITHOUT AS
DR.
FREY SAID, TALKING ABOUT IT, IT IS SO CRITICAL.
AND IT'S SOMETIMES THE LAST THING WE WANT
TO DO, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ONLY ME.
NO ONE ELSE IS FEELING THIS WAY.
AND WE ALL DO THAT.
AND SO ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO TALK ABOUT IT,
REACH OUT, AND RECOGNIZE WHERE WE'RE BEING
BRAVE.
>> AND I LIKE THAT IDEA OF HAVING A LIST THAT
YOU REFERRED TO, TO HELP HOLD YOURSELF ACCOUNTABLE.
IT'S EASY TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THE EVERYDAY
THINGS AND NOT THINK ABOUT THAT I NEED TO
REACH OUT AND ACTUALLY DISCUSS ABOUT HOW I'M
FEELING.
>> IF I COULD TAKE THE LIST IDEA FURTHER,
OKAY, AS I SAID, I'M A MAJOR LISTMAKER.
AND I ACTUALLY HAVE PATIENTS INITIALLY CHECK
IN WITH ME ON THE LIST.
SO, NOT ONLY WOULD IT BE HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU
REACH OUT TO AND HAVE THEIR NAMES AND HOW
MANY TIMES YOU CONTACT THEM, BUT WHAT ELSE
CAN YOU PUT ON THE LIST THAT'S A GOODIE FOR
YOU, BUT ALSO HEALTHY.
LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, GETTING IN YOUR CAR ALONE
STILL KEEPS YOU ISOLATED.
AND DRIVE AROUND THE LAKE, OR DRIVE AROUND
THE SQUARE, OR HERE IN CHARLESTON, DRIVE AROUND
THE CAMPUS, OKAY, SO THAT� IT'S IMPORTANT
THAT WHEN YOU'RE FEELING OVERWHELMED AND TEND
TO GO INTO APATHY, LETHARGIA, MORE DEEP DEPRESSION,
IF YOU CAN MAKE A LIST, IT WILL HELP YOU.
I WANT TO� IF I MAY� TAKE IT TO PHYSICAL
HEALTH.
I HAVE A LOT OF TRAINING IN THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN MENTAL HEALTH AND PHYSICAL HEALTH.
AND I WAS VERY FORTUNATE.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS I TRY TO USE AN AFFIRMATIVE�
MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING� IS SO
THAT THEIR BODY DOESN'T SHUT DOWN.
AND THERE'S A HIGHER PROBABILITY OF DEVELOPING
CERTAIN PHYSICAL PROBLEMS OR EXACERBATING
CERTAIN PHYSICAL PROBLEMS YOU HAVE.
AND WITHOUT GETTING SPECIFIC, THAT'S PRETTY
INTENSE, THIS IS CRITICAL BECAUSE I'M DEFINITELY
SEEING MORE OF THAT NOW.
>> AND WE'VE GOT SOME FOLKS HERE FROM THE
HOUR HOUSE.
WHAT IS ADVICE YOU WOULD GIVE TO PEOPLE WHO
MIGHT NORMALLY TURN TO NEGATIVE VICES?
DR.
FREY IS SAYING GET OUT AND ENJOY THE OUTDOORS,
OR MAYBE A HEALTHY SNACK, TO TREAT YOURSELF.
WHAT KIND OF TRIGGERS ARE PEOPLE FACING?
>> OH, IT'S FROM THE ISOLATION, JUST FEELING
ISOLATED CAN BE A TRIGGER.
LOSING EMPLOYMENT, THAT SENSE OF HOPELESSNESS
THAT CAN COME WITH THAT.
BUT OFTEN THE LACK OF CONNECTION IS WHERE
WE SEE IT THE MOST.
LIKE, DANESSA REFERRED TO NOT BEING ABLE TO
GO TO INPERSON SELFHELP MEETINGS, THAT THEY
MAY BE VERY USED TO AND INVOLVED IN, AND SEEING
PEOPLE.
AND SO REALLY, ENCOURAGING THEM TO CONTINUE
TO REACH OUT.
THERE ARE ONLINE SELFHELP MEETINGS.
DOING THOSE.
AND THAT CAN BE VERY INTIMIDATING AT FIRST.
CHECKING IN WITH US WHEN AND IF NEEDED OFTEN.
AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT REGULARLY DO THAT,
EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT IN SERVICES, THEY JUST
CHECK IN IF THEY'RE A FORMER CLIENT.
SO THAT CONNECTION PIECE, I THINK IS CRITICAL,
BECAUSE WITH CONNECTION COMES ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND SO BEING ABLE TO NAME THEIR TRIGGER AND
HOLD THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE TO THOSE PEOPLE
IN THEIR LIFE THAT HELP THEM WITH RECOVERY.
>> ONE OF THE SADDEST THINGS, I THINK, IS
THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER LOCKDOWN WHEN THINGS
STARTED TO REOPEN, SOME OF THE FIRST THINGS
THAT STARTED TO REOPEN WERE BARS AND CASINOS,
RIGHT.
SO THESE REALLY BIG TRIGGER POINTS FOR PEOPLE
THAT I'M NOT ABLE TO GO TO AN INPERSON SELFHELP
MEETING, I'M UNSURE HOW TO NAVIGATE ONLINE
SELFHELP MEETING, MAYBE I DON'T HAVE ACCESS
TO THE RESOURCES LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR
RURAL COMMUNITY.
AND THEN INSTEAD, NOW THE ONLY THINGS THAT
ARE BACK ARE THESE OLD WAYS OF COPING THAT
I HAD.
AND ALSO, LESS PEOPLE?
? ? ARE WATCHING ME, LESS PEOPLE ARE CHECKING
IN, LESS PEOPLE WOULD NOTICE IF I WAS USING
A SUBSTANCE AGAIN, OR IF I WAS USING ANY SORT
OF UNHEALTHY COPING SKILL AGAIN.
SO I THINK THAT THE RESOURCES ARE OUT THERE
STILL, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT ONLINE SELFHELP
MEETINGS.
MOST AGENCIES HAVEN'T CLOSED.
THEY'RE JUST DOING SERVICES DIFFERENTLY THAN
THEY'VE DONE BEFORE.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO WORK HARDER A LITTLE BIT.
YOU HAVE TO WORK DIFFERENTLY.
BUT YOU CAN FIND SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS OUT
THERE TO GET YOUR NEEDS MET.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THE HEALING COMMUNITIES
HAVE REALLY KIND OF RISEN TO THE OCCASION
IN HELPING PEOPLE GET ACCESS TO THOSE SERVICES
THAT THEY NEED.
>> I THINK WHAT YOU SAID A LITTLE BIT AGO
ABOUT THE CLIENT THAT YOU WORKED WITH THAT
DID SOME SELFCHECKING, KEEPING HERSELF IN
CHECK AND TALKING TO YOU ABOUT IT, AND THEN
MAKING THE LISTS AND FINDING WAYS TO EMPOWER
YOURSELF, AND FIND THE VALUE IN DOING DIFFERENT
THINGS DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR RESOURCES, WE'VE
GOT SOME DIFFERENT HOTLINE NUMBERS, SOME DIFFERENT
NUMBERS THAT YOU CAN CALL.
ONE OF THEM IS THE HOUR HOUSE THAT WE'LL BE
PUTTING ONSCREEN FROM TIME TO TIME THROUGHOUT
THIS SHOW.
BUT WE TALKED BEFORE THE SHOW ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT
IT IS TO EMPOWER YOURSELF.
>> THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.
AND TO MAKE A GAME OUT OF IT, OF, HEY, I'M
PRETTY PROUD OF MYSELF HERE.
I KIND OF SURVIVED THIS.
AND I'M DOING GREAT.
AND I'VE LEARNED NEW SKILLS.
ANOTHER THING THAT I'M FINDING PEOPLE ARE
DOING� AND I HAVE TO LAUGH AT THIS� IS
THEY'RE TAKING UP HOBBIES, OR DOING THINGS
THAT THEY NEVER HAD TIME FOR.
LIKE, I AM HEARING OF PEOPLE WHO ARE KNITTING
AND SEWING, AND COOKING VERSUS USING FROZEN
FOOD.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT'S A LUXURY
THAT WHEN YOU'RE WORKING FULLTIME, WHEN YOU'RE
RUNNING CHILDREN TO SPORTS EVENTS, OR YOU'RE
GOING TO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO
BE AT, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY.
SO A LOT OF THIS TO ME IS HELPING PEOPLE TO
DEVELOP AN "I'M EMPOWERED, I CAN HANDLE THIS,"
AND LITERALLY MAKE A GAME OUT OF IT WITH A
REWARD SYSTEM, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT AN UNHEALTHY
REWARD SYSTEM.
I ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT THAT.
WE DON'T NEED TO SEE MORE ADDICTION.
WE DON'T NEED TO SEE MORE PEOPLE EATING TOO
MUCH UNHEALTHY FOOD.
BUT WE COULD REALLY LOOK AT EMPOWERING YOURSELF.
>> IT'S OKAY TO CELEBRATE THE LITTLE THINGS�
>> OH, MY GOODNESS.
>> WHETHER IT'S I GOT MYSELF READY TODAY ON
GOT THE KIDS A� OR GOT THE KIDS A HOT BREAKFAST.
DO YOU HAVE ANY LITTLE CHECK MARKS THAT PEOPLE
CAN PAT THEMSELVES ON THE BACK ABOUT?
>> ONE IS LEARNING HOW TO INCORPORATE WHAT
WORKED FOR YOU BEFORE IN THIS NEW WORLD.
IF YOU ENJOYED GOING TO SELFHELP MEETINGS,
NOW ONE OF THE COOL THINGS ABOUT SELFHELP
MEETINGS ONLINE IS THEY'RE HAPPENING 24 HOURS
A DAY.
SO YOU CAN ACCESS IT ANYTIME, ANYPLACE, ANYWHERE
RATHER THAN� AND YOU CAN SOMETIMES WORK
IT OUT MORE CONVENIENTLY IN YOUR SCHEDULE.
IF I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT LUNCH HOUR, MY WORK
DAY WAS HORRIBLE, FOR MY LUNCH HOUR I'M GOING
TO EAT AND GO TO THIS MEETING OR CALL MY COUNSELOR
ON MY LUNCH BREAK AND BE MORE INTENTIONAL
ABOUT MY TIME WHEN I'M STRUGGLING WITH THINGS.
AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT LOOKING INTO THOSE
HOBBIES IS GREAT.
I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE IN RECOVERY TO DO THAT
ANYWAY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY FIRST COME OUT OF
DEPRESSION OR GET CLEAN HAVE NO IDEA WHAT
THEIR INTERESTS ARE ANYMORE OR WHAT THEY WANT
TO DO.
CHANGING THAT FROM OH, MY GOODNESS I DON'T
KNOW WHO I AM TO I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
TRY NEW THINGS AND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I LIKE
AND DON'T.
A LOT OF THE HOBBIES YOU TALKED ABOUT, I'VE
ALSO SEEN PEOPLE DOING, AREN'T NECESSARILY
HIGHCOST.
RIGHT NOW YOU'RE NOT GOING PLACES AND TRAVELING
AND DOING THINGS THAT ARE MORE HIGHCOST ITEMS.
SO TRYING SOME THINGS THAT ARE ALSO ECONOMICAL.
>> YEAH.
I DO THINK� AND I NEED TO SAY THIS.
THOSE THAT ARE STRUGGLING MAKING USE OF THE
RESOURCE NUMBERS.
WE'RE KIND OF COMING AT THIS WITH THE ASSUMPTION
THAT PEOPLE HAVE THEIR BASIC NEEDS MET.
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY
THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH HOUSING, THEY'RE
STRUGGLING WITH FOOD, THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH
THOSE THINGS.
AND SO I JUST CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH TO MAKE
THAT PHONE CALL, UTILIZE THE RESOURCES THAT
ARE AVAILABLE.
THERE ARE MANY RESOURCES IN THIS COMMUNITY
AVAILABLE.
AND TO USE THEM, BECAUSE UNTIL BASIC NEEDS
ARE MET, THERE'S GOING TO BE NO HOBBIES HAPPENING.
THERE'S GOING TO BE NO LISTS BEING MADE BECAUSE
OF THE OVERWHELMING FEAR AND DEPRESSION AND
ANXIETY, AND HOPELESSNESS THAT CAN COME WITH
THAT.
AND SO JUST� I CAN'T ENCOURAGE ENOUGH TO
REACH OUT AND GET THOSE RESOURCES.
>> TO GO AFTER THAT.
THERE'S SOCIAL SERVICE PROGRAMS THAT EXIST
FOR A REASON, RIGHT.
LIKE IF YOU HAVE WORKED YOUR WHOLE LIFE AND
NOW FIND YOURSELF UNEMPLOYED BECAUSE MAYBE
YOUR FIELD DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE, BECAUSE
OF A CONCERT SHUTTING DOWN, FOR INSTANCE.
IF YOU WORKED AT A CONCERT VENUE OR BALLPARK
AND NOW THAT DOESN'T EXIST, TRY TO ALLEVIATE
AND NORMALIZE THOSE FEELINGS OF GUILT AND
SADNESS, AND EVEN DEPRESSION ABOUT HAVING
TO GET UNEMPLOYMENT.
THAT IS NOTHING TO FEEL ASHAMED ABOUT.
YOU PAID INTO THAT RESOURCE ALREADY BY BEING
EMPLOYED.
SO UTILIZE THE BENEFIT THAT EXISTS THERE NOW.
>> AND THAT LEADS INTO OUR FIRST BREAK, REALLY
NICELY.
SO WE WILL GO TO THAT REALLY QUICK AND WE
WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE GREAT INFORMATION.
>> I HAD 170 SOMETHING DOLLARS IN MY BANK
ACCOUNT.
>> HE WAITED FOR MORE THAN FOUR MONTHS FOR
UNEMPLOYMENT AFTER LOSING HIS BARTENDING JOB.
LAST WEEK, HIS BACK PAY FINALLY ARRIVED.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT CARD, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I WAS APATHETIC ABOUT THIS COUNTRY.
I'VE SEEN IT HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO
DO THE RIGHT THING AND TAKE THE OTHER OPTION
EVERY TIME.
>> THE DAMAGE IS ALREADY DONE.
HE MAXED OUT HIS CREDIT CARD AND GOT EVICTED
AFTER HE COULDN'T MAKE RENT.
NOW, HE'S LIVING WITH HIS DAD IN THE BRONX.
>> IF THEY HAD GIVEN ME THE MONEY EARLIER
IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THIS BIG OF A PROBLEM.
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY GAVE ME WOULD HAVE
BEEN FINE.
BUT NOW I HAVE COMPOUNDED PROBLEMS.
>> THE SAFETY NET FAILED VOEGT, AND HE'S NOT
ALONE.
THE PANDEMIC HAS COST THE U.S. NEARLY 13�MILLION
JOBS, LEAVING AMERICANS TO FACE A SYSTEM ILLEQUIPPED
TO HANDLE THE SURGE.
THE CONSEQUENCES ARE REAL� UP TO 40�MILLION
AMERICANS FACE EVICTION BY THE END OF THE
YEAR.
NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE
WHEN THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS�3 OR 4%.
SO SOME STATES JUST SORT OF IGNORED THEIR
SYSTEMS SINCE THE LAST RECESSION TO MAKE IT
HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO GET BENEFITS.
>> LIKE LEIYA ERRINGTON, WHO APPLIED FOR UNEMPLOYMENT
AND PANDEMIC UNEMPLOYMENT ASSISTANCE, BUT
AFTER MONTHS OF WAITING, SHE SAYS THE GEORGIA
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR DENIED HER BOTH BECAUSE
SHE WAS TERMINATED FROM HER JOB LAST SEPTEMBER
DUE TO ATTENDANCE.
SHE WAS THE MEDICAL PROXY FOR HER SISTER AND
HAD TO MAKE THE DECISION TO END HER LIFE.
HER GRIEF MADE IT HARD TO GET OUT OF BED.
>> EACH PERSON'S PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES
NEED TO BE INDIVIDUALLY HEARD, ULTIMATELY,
I WAS NOT AT FAULT FOR MY SISTER DYING AND
IT CAUSED ME TOTAL FINANCIAL CHAOS.
>> SHE SAYS SHE'S $15,000 IN DEBT AND HASN'T
BEEN ABLE TO MAKE RENT IN MONTHS.
SHE SENT HER 15YEAROLD DAUGHTER TO FRIEND'S
HOMES TO GET THREE FULL MEALS A DAY.
ERRINGTON SAYS SHE APPLIES FOR JOBS EVERY
DAY, BUT WITH MILLIONS OF OTHERS LOOKING IT'S
BEEN AN UPHILL BATTLE.
>> I HAVEN'T HAD ANY OFFERS, SO PRETTY MUCH
JUST STILL CONTINUE TO SEARCH AND LOOK AND
PUT MY BEST FOOT FORWARD.
>> OUT OF OPTIONS, SHE SAYS SHE'S APPEALING
HER UNEMPLOYMENT DECISION.
THIS APPEAL IS HER LAST HOPE.
>> I STILL HAVE NO RELIEF ON ANY OF MY FINANCIAL
SITUATIONS.
IT SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORSE.
BUT I'M REMAINING HOPEFUL.
>> AND WE'RE BACK.
AND WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT GUILT NOW.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF VARIETIES OF GUILT THAT
WE'RE ALL FACING THESE DAYS, DEALING WITH.
IT COULD BE FINANCIAL GUILT.
IT COULD BE GUILT I'M WORKING, I NEED TO BE
HOME WITH MY CHILD.
IT COULD BE GUILT I NEED TO BE AT WORK, ALL
KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
LET'S SWITCH A LITTLE BIT OF GEARS HERE AND
TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF GUILT
THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND HOW BEST TO DEAL
WITH IT.
DR.
FREY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START OUT?
>>�Marilyn:�THIS IS A VERY BIG TOPIC,
OKAY, AN EXTREMELY BIG TOPIC.
>> AND VERY HEAVY.
>>�Marilyn:�WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, YOU
CAN FEEL GUILTY FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE
NO CONTROL OVER.
AND I'M GOING TO TAKE HAVING CHILDREN.
I THINK AS PARENTS WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE
BEST FOR OUR CHILDREN.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE ARE POWERLESS AT THIS POINT,
IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE US FEEL NOT GUILTY FOR
THEM HAVING THE SAME EXPERIENCES OF BEING
WITH THEIR PEERS.
SO I THINK THAT'S ONE KIND OF GUILT.
BUT I ALSO THINK THERE IS ANOTHER TYPE OF
GUILT THAT I KNOW WE DISCUSSED, WHICH IS WHAT
IF YOU'RE NOT SUFFERING AS MUCH AS OTHER PEOPLE?
>> MHMM.
>>�Marilyn:�AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING
TO LOOK AT.
EVERYBODY'S NOT SUFFERING THE SAME WAY.
WE'RE ALL EXPERIENCING CHANGE AND DIFFERENCE,
BUT THE TWO OF YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE
ECONOMICS OF THIS.
AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE
WHO ARE NOT BEING AFFECTED FINANCIALLY TO
REMEMBER THAT THEIR WORLDVIEW RIGHT NOW IS
NOT EVERYBODY'S WORLDVIEW, AND TO THINK OF
WHAT YOU COULD DO FOR OTHERS.
THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, THE TIME WHEN WE HAVE
TO BE� WE ALWAYS SHOULD BE SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE,
I'LL BE VERY BLUNT ABOUT IT.
BUT WHEN WE REALLY HAVE TO BE SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE,
AND LOOK AT BASICS.
LIKE, THERE'S A FEW PROGRAMS IN MY COMMUNITY
THAT I'LL BE VERY CLEAR I HAD NEVER HEARD
OF, OKAY?
AND WHEN I HEARD OF THEM, I HAVE TO SAY, IN
A COUPLE CASES, I WAS SHOCKED THAT PEOPLE
COULD GO WEEKENDS WITHOUT FOOD, MEANING CHILDREN.
AND SO FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT EXPERIENCING
SOME OF THE ISSUES� WE'RE ALL EXPERIENCING
ISSUES.
I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO PUT YOUR
HEAD IN THE SAND.
AND I USE THAT EXPRESSION A LOT, TO THE POINT
WHERE PEOPLE WISH, TO BE BLUNT, THAT I'D SHUT
UP, OKAY?
[�LAUGHING�]
>>�Marilyn:�BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
ANOTHER POINT, IF I JUST MIGHT ADD, AND SOMEONE
BROUGHT THIS UP TO ME, IS IN COUPLES OR IN
FAMILIES, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE ONE PERSON WHO
IS WORKING FROM HOME.
AND THEY'RE DOING ALL THE TAKING CARE OF THE
CHILDREN AND THE HOMESCHOOLING.
AND THE PARTNER, THE ONE WHO IS GOING INTO
WORK, IS EXPERIENCING SOME GUILT THAT IT'S
NOT FAIR THAT, SAY, THEIR HUSBAND IS GOING
THROUGH THIS, EVEN THOUGH HE MAY ENJOY IT
OR MAY NOT ENJOY IT.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S ALL SORTS OF GUILT
TO LOOK AT.
>> AND MAYBE IF I'M SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T STRUGGLE
WITH SOBRIETY, I MIGHT BE FEELING GUILTY FOR
MY COUNTERPARTS WHO ARE.
WHAT ARE SOME WAYS THAT I CAN CHECK ON THEM
OR REACH OUT TO THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT IF
I'M NOT IN AS BAD A PLACE THAT I CAN HELP
BRING THEM OUT OF IT?
>> YEAH, FOR SURE.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR
PEOPLE WHO MAYBE DON'T STRUGGLE WITH SOMETHING,
OR I WAS EVEN THINKING MAYBE IF YOU FINANCIALLY
AREN'T SECURE BUT YOU HAVE TIME ON YOUR HANDS,
GETTING OUT OF YOURSELF AND GIVING BACK TO
OTHERS IS SUCH A GOOD WAY TO OVERALL IMPROVE
MOOD.
IT FEELS REALLY GOOD TO VOLUNTEER AND DO SOMETHING
TO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE OUT.
BY NO MEANS DO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DIAGNOSE
SOMEONE TO SAY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT YOU AND
I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW YOU'RE DOING.
IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS
WORRIED ABOUT, OR A FRIEND THAT YOU'VE NOTICED
THAT THEY HAVE SOME PROBLEMATIC BEHAVIORS
BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED, YOU DON'T HAVE
TO ADDRESS THOSE DIRECTLY.
JUST PICKING UP THE PHONE, TEXTING SOMEONE
AND SAYING HOW ARE YOU DOING, THIS IS HARD,
I WANTED TO SEE HOW THINGS WERE GOING.
>> I THINK EVEN IN THE PRACTICAL, AS YOU'RE
DESCRIBING, PICKING UP A SUB AND SAYING I'M
GOING TO TAKE YOU TO THE PARK, WHERE YOU CAN
BE OUTSIDE AND SIT SIX�FEET APART AND STILL
BE TOGETHER, BUT SEPARATE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GOING
BACK TO THAT CONNECTION.
AND EVEN ON THE GUILT WHEN YOU WERE SHARING
ABOUT THE PARTNERS, THERE'S BEEN A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF WORRY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING
TO WORK, ESPECIALLY IT'S GEARING BACK UP OF
WHAT IF I BRING SOMETHING HOME TO MY FAMILY.
WHAT IF I'M EXPOSING MY FAMILY OR MY LOVED
ONES TO SOMETHING BECAUSE I AM GOING OUT AND
WORKING MY JOB.
AND SO I THINK IT'S ALL SORTS OF GUILT.
I'M DOING BETTER, OR I'M BRINGING SOMETHING
HOME, OR I'M WORRIED ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE AND
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HELP THEM SO I FEEL GUILTY
THAT I'M NOT DOING ENOUGH.
AS WE BOTH SAID, JUST GETTING OUTSIDE OF OURSELF
AND DOING SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S A PHONE
CALL OR�
>> AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER TO BALANCE THAT,
I CAN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF NEGATIVE FEELINGS
ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS
WORSE THAN ME.
SOMEBODY WILL ALWAYS HAVE IT WORSE, BUT THAT
DOESN'T MEAN YOUR FEELINGS AREN'T VALID VERSUS
THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER, LOOK AT THEM
AND WHAT THEY HAVE.
IN THE EXAMPLE OF A STAY AT HOME, WORKING
FROM HOME, TAKING CARE OF THE CHILD VERSUS
I'M OUT THERE, THEY BOTH HAVE PROS AND CONS,
THEY BOTH HAVE DIFFICULTIES, FEARS, GUILT,
ALL OF THE ABOVE.
IT ISN'T NECESSARY THAT WE NEED TO RANK EVERYTHING,
BUT INSTEAD REALIZE THAT IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES.
THEY'RE DIFFERENT AND BOTH CHALLENGING.
>> WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST, OUTSIDE OF GOING
OUTSIDE AND FINDING SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO
DO WITH YOUR TIME?
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, DON'T SHAME YOURSELF.
DON'T SHAME OTHERS.
BUT WHAT ARE SOME OTHER THINGS BESIDES GOING
OUTSIDE AND TAKING A DRIVE, OR JUST TRYING
TO REFLECT ON SOMETHING ELSE?
GIVE US SOME OTHER IDEAS ON SOME DIFFERENT
THINGS, BECAUSE I THINK GUILT IS A REAL BIG
ONE TO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW, ALONG WITH ALL
OF THE DIFFERENT STRUGGLES THAT PEOPLE ARE
HAVING AND ALL THE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED THROUGHOUT
MY COUNSELING CAREER IS THAT YOUR INTERNAL
THOUGHTS HAVE SO MUCH MORE POWER WHEN THEY
STAY INTERNAL.
SO FIGURING OUT A WAY TO GET THEM EXTERNAL,
WHETHER IT'S TALKING TO A THERAPIST, WHETHER
IT'S TALKING TO YOUR PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN
WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACCESS A THERAPIST,
WHETHER IT'S TEXTING A FRIEND OR CALLING A
FAMILY MEMBER, OR EVEN JOURNALING.
IF THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TOO SCARED
TO SAY OUT LOUD TO SOMEONE, FINDING A WAY
TO GET THAT OUTSIDE OF YOUR BODY THROUGH WRITING.
I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO SOUND INSANE, ANYTIME
I SUGGEST IT MY CLIENTS ARE LIKE, WHAT ARE
YOU TALKING ABOUT?
TALKING TO YOURSELF IN A MIRROR.
HEARING THE WORDS OUT LOUD MAKES THEM HAVE
A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF POWER IN YOUR LIFE.
YOU SUDDENLY HAVE A DIFFERENT CLARITY ABOUT,
WAIT A SECOND, LET ME CHALLENGE WHAT I'M THINKING.
LET ME CHALLENGE THIS BELIEF.
>> RECOGNIZING WHEN THAT GUILT, THAT SELFTALK,
WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, GETTING THAT WORD
DUMP OUT, WHETHER IT'S VERBALLY, IN THE MIRROR,
ON PAPER, BUT HAS THAT GONE FROM GUILT TO
SHAME?
AND I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY CRITICAL.
BECAUSE IF IT'S GONE TO SHAME THEN IT'S IN
A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD.
AND MAYBE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND SOMEONE
TO HELP YOU GET BACK TO THE TRUTH OF NO, I'M
NOT A BAD PERSON BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO GO TO
WORK AND NOT STAY HOME AND MY POOR HUSBAND
IS AT HOME WITH THE LAUNDRY AND THE KIDS.
IT'S I'M JUST FEELING BAD BECAUSE I HAVE NO
ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE.
VERY DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESSES.
BUT BEING ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT IS THAT INTERNAL
DIALOGUE AND IS IT DESTRUCTIVE.
>> YOU BOTH BRING UP SOME GREAT IDEAS.
I ACTUALLY HAVE� AND THIS IS VERY COMICAL�
SHE'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE FEET LONG.
AND IT'S THE MOST RIDICULOUSLOOKING STUFFED
DOLL YOU CAN IMAGINE.
AND I WILL HAVE PEOPLE TALK TO THE DOLL.
AND THEN I WILL HAVE THE DOLL TALK BACK TO
THEM.
I MEAN, YOU SHOULD SEE THIS DOLL.
[�LAUGHING�]
>> I HAVE DEFINITELY LENT PATIENTS THIS DOLL
OVER THE YEARS, AND IT HAS BEEN SO EFFECTIVE
TO GET THAT ABSURDITY.
BUT IT'S NOT ABSURD, BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU'RE
FEELING, OUT.
SO THAT WAS JUST A GREAT IDEA.
YOU ALSO� I HAD A LAUGH.
YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WELL,
THAT GOES ON THE LIST THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT,
WHICH IS THIS IS A TIME TO AUTOMATICALLY REACH
OUT TO SOMEONE AND NOT SAY, OH, I KNOW YOU'RE
SUFFERING, OR, YOU KNOW, A REAL NEGATIVE.
BUT JUST CONVERSATION.
LIKE, DID YOU READ THIS, OR DID YOU READ THAT,
AS LONG AS IT'S HEALTHY STUFF VERSUS SOME
OF THE CRAZY STUFF.
SO THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO PUT ON THE LIST.
>> SHARING A RIDICULOUS VIDEO CLIP OR A FUNNY
MEME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK REALITY IS VERY DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW.
SO ANY KIND OF LITTLE BREAK YOU CAN GIVE YOURSELF.
AND AGAIN, BALANCING THAT SO THAT YOUR BREAK
IS A HEALTHY BREAK.
BY NO MEANS� LET ME TELL YOU, I'VE SEEN
PEOPLE DO ANYTHING IN EXCESS AND MAKE IT UNHEALTHY.
YOU CAN'T JUST DECIDE I'M GOING TO BINGE WATCH
A SHOW FOR THREE WEEKS AND NEVER LEAVE MY
LIVING ROOM.
BUT TAKING A 30MINUTE TV BREAK WHEN I DON'T
HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ANYTHING RIGHT NOW AND
I CAN JUST WATCH THIS SHOW THAT ISN'T EMOTIONALLY
TRIGGERING OR DIFFICULT MIGHT BE A GREAT MENTAL
HEALTH BREAK FOR ME.
>> AND YOU BROUGHT UP A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE,
WHICH IS THIS IS WHERE I THINK A THERAPIST
OR EVEN A PRIMARY PHYSICIAN, A NURSE PRACTITIONER,
WHATEVER.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE THE PATIENT CHECK
IN WITH YOU, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH NEGATIVE
NOW THAT I AM SEEING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE
ESCALATING TO THE POINT, AND THEN OTHERS WHO
I KNOW RESPONDING TO IT.
SO THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE
LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING THAT YOU HAVE SOMEONE
TO CHECK IN WITH TO KIND OF SAY, WAIT A MINUTE,
HOW MUCH NEGATIVE ARE YOU DOING?
SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
>> AND I THINK WITH THE GUILT, TOO, YOU HAD
TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR PHYSICAL BODIES.
OUR PHYSICAL BODIES WILL TELL US, KIND OF,
WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED A LOT ABOUT ANXIETY,
BUT WITH GUILT CAN COME A LOT OF ANXIETY,
THAT FEELING LIKE I CAN'T BREATHE OR I STOP
BREATHING FOR A MINUTE.
SO, AS WE'RE JOURNALING OR AS WE'RE TALKING,
WHAT IS THE BODY SAYING?
AND A PRACTICE I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN IS JUST
SOMETIMES LAYING ON THE FLOOR, YOU KNOW.
JUST LAYING ON THE FLOOR IF YOU'RE SENSING
THAT THAT OVERWHELMING PHYSICAL FEELING, WHETHER
IT'S GUILT, DEPRESSION, OR SOMETHING THAT
HAS BROUGHT YOU TO GET ON THE FLOOR TO GET
GROUNDED TO KNOW THAT NOPE, I'M GOING TO BE
OKAY.
BUT UTILIZING THOSE RESOURCES, TOO, THOSE
DIFFERENT COPING SKILLS FOR ANXIETY AS WELL.
>> AND DANESSA, I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU SAID
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WATCHING PROGRAMS OR WHATEVER
THAT AREN'T TRIGGERING.
THAT'S HUGE.
YOU MENTIONED SOCIAL MEDIA.
I MEAN, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO SET A TIME LIMIT
ON HOW MUCH TIME YOU'RE WATCHING THE NEWS
OR SPEND ON SOCIAL MEDIA JUST BECAUSE THERE'S
SO MUCH NEGATIVE DIRECTED AT ONCE.
>> YEAH, IT'S STILL PRETTY OVERWHELMING RIGHT
NOW JUST WITH NEW INFORMATION THAT'S COMING
OUT ABOUT COVID19, BUT INITIALLY, MARCH THROUGH
EVEN EARLY JUNE IT WAS CRAZY.
I MEAN, IT WAS EVERY DAY WE WERE LEARNING
SOMETHING NEW AND THAT'S NOT ACCURATE, IT'S
ACTUALLY THIS THING GOING ON.
AND IT'S VERY EASY TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT
HOLE.
AND TO NOT KNOW IN THE INFORMATION YOU'RE
OBTAINING IS OF A RELIABLE RESOURCE.
AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOURSELF AND
TO ASSESS WHEN� AND SOME AMOUNT OF INFORMATION
IS TOO MUCH INFORMATION AND IT'S TIME FOR
ME TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
THE SAME THING IS TRUE WITH SOCIAL MEDIA.
WE'RE SO FALSELY BELIEVING THAT THAT CONNECTS
US TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT SIMPLY BEING ABLE
TO ACCESS THEIR PROFILES AND SEE WHAT THEY
ATE FOR LUNCH.
[�LAUGHING�]
>> YOU KNOW THE PERSON.
AND SO THEN YOU GET CAUGHT UP IN A LOT OF
THE NEGATIVITY.
PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO POST AND SHARE THINGS
ONLINE THAT THEY MAY NEVER BE WILLING TO DO
IN PERSON.
SO NOT NECESSARILY USING THAT AS YOUR BAROMETER
FOR HOW THE WORLD LOOKS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING ON SOCIAL
MEDIA FOR IS BACKTOSCHOOL PICTURES.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK, BUT OUR
LAST SEGMENT IS OUR YOUNGEST PATIENTS, SCHOOLAGE
CHILDREN.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
>> IT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE, BUT STRUCTURE
DURING THIS PANDEMIC IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE,
ESPECIALLY CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.
>> BEING THROWN OUT OF THEIR ROUTINES HAS
THROWN EVERYBODY FOR A LOOP.
>> NICOLE IS A PSYCHOLOGIST WITH THE CHILDREN'S
HEALTHCARE OF ATLANTA'S MARCUS AUTISM CENTER.
SHE SAYS KNOWING WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN STARTING
BACK TO SCHOOL CAN HELP.
>> I KNOW IT MIGHT SEEM SILLY TO PRACTICE
THINGS WHEN WE'RE NOT IN THAT CONTEXT, BUT
THAT HELPS US GET MORE FAMILIAR AND MAKES
IT NOT SO MUCH OF A SHIFT IN ROUTINE WHEN
WE HAVE TO DO THOSE THINGS.
>> FINDING A MASK TO MATCH THEIR INTERESTS,
AND GRADUALLY WORKING UP TO WEARING IT LONGER
CAN ALSO HELP CHILDREN TO GET USED TO THEM,
SAYS CHERYL KLAIMAN, ALSO OF MARCUS AUTISM
CENTER.
>> SOMETIMES THE FABRICS ARE SCRATCHY, SOFT,
TOO BIG, TOO TIGHT, PULLING THE EARS FORWARD.
IT MIGHT TAKE SOME MASK TRIAL AND ERROR TO
FIND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO WORK.
>> AND TO PARENTS EVERYWHERE, THEY SAY DON'T
FORGET TO GIVE YOURSELF SOME GRACE.
>> WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THE THINGS
WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
KIDS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT'S JUST A HARD TIME RIGHT NOW FOR EVERYONE.
>> WE'RE BACK, TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLAGE CHILDREN,
PARENTS, AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE
CHALLENGING WITH REMOTE LEARNING AND TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S RIGHT, WHAT'S WRONG,
AND WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL OF THIS.
LET'S OPEN UP THE TOPIC AND TALK ABOUT PARENTS,
SCHOOL CHILDREN, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS
THAT ARE CHALLENGING THESE DAYS.
DR.
FREY?
>>�Marilyn:�ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK
WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT IS BOTH THE EDUCATION
PART OF OUR CHILDREN, BUT ALSO THE DEVELOPMENTAL
ISSUES.
AND I THINK THIS IS CRITICAL.
IF YOU LOOK AT VARIOUS THEORISTS WHO ARE WIDELY
ACCEPTED IN THE FIELD OF CHILD DEVELOPMENT,
CLINICAL COUNSELING, PSYCHOLOGY, YOU'LL SEE
THAT CHILDREN FROM THE TIME OF BIRTH THROUGH
ACTUALLY ADULTHOOD GO THROUGH DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTAL
STAGES.
AND IN CERTAIN THEORISTS, THEY NEED CERTAIN
RELATIONSHIPS AT DIFFERENT STAGES.
AND THIS IS CRITICAL.
AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING IT.
SO ONE OF OUR BIGGEST STRUGGLES AS A PARENT
IS NOT JUST THE ACADEMIC, BUT HOW CAN WE MEET
THE SOCIAL NEEDS� COLLEAGUIALITY, BEST FRIENDS,
SOCIAL GROUP.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE BIG CHALLENGES.
I HAVE IDEAS, BUT THIS IS ONE WHERE I REALLY
DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ANSWERS.
I KNOW HOW I KNOW PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH
IT, WHICH IS SEEMINGLY EFFECTIVE.
AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST WAYS THAT I'M SEEING
IS THAT PEOPLE ARE PICKING ONE OR TWO FAMILIES
AND THEY'RE WEARING MASKS, NO DOUBT ABOUT
IT.
BUT THEY ARE DOING SOME INTERACTIONS SO THAT
THEIR CHILDREN ARE NOT ISOLATED.
>> WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT MEETING
BASIC NEEDS, UNFORTUNATELY, SCHOOLS AREN'T
MEETING IN PERSON, THEY'RE MISSING THE FIRST
LINE OF DEFENSE TO CATCH A LOT OF ISSUES CHILDREN
ARE FACING.
>> RIGHT.
WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT HOME LIFE ISN'T
SAFE BECAUSE ONE OR BOTH PARENTS ARE USING
SUBSTANCES.
YOU'RE RIGHT, TEACHERS HAD BEEN THAT FIRST
LINE.
ARE THEY GOING HUNGRY?
BECAUSE OUR SCHOOLS WERE FEEDING OUR CHILDREN
THAT WERE LIVING IN POVERTY AND BEING NEGLECTED.
AND SO YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF RAMIFICATIONS
TO NOT HAVING EYES ON.
AND SO REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO THOSE PEOPLE
THAT ARE SEEKING SERVICES THAT WERE PAYING
ATTENTION TO THE KIDS, AND DOING FAMILY, WHERE
APPROPRIATE, AND REALLY CHECKING IN ON HOW
THE KIDS ARE DOING.
>> YEAH, AS PRACTITIONERS I THINK WE ALL NEED
TO BE WAY MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT ASKING ABOUT
THE WHOLE FAMILY SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, WHEREAS IT MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE
EASIER TO FOCUS ON ONLY THE CLIENT SITTING
IN FRONT OF YOU, OR SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU
ON THE OTHER END OF A RECEIVER OR A WEBCAM
NOW, LOOKING AROUND.
IF THEY'RE DOING A VIDEO CONFERENCE FROM THEIR
HOME, LOOKING AT THAT BACKGROUND ENVIRONMENT,
ASKING THEM ABOUT HOW THEIR KIDDOS ARE DOING
AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT HOW THEIR KIDDOS ARE
DOING, BECAUSE ALL OF THAT IMPACTS THE WHOLE
SYSTEMIC VIEW OF HOW OUR CLIENTS ARE DOING
AS WELL.
AND I WOULD AGREE THAT MOST OF THE CONCERNS
THAT I HAVE HEARD COME FROM PARENTS ARE ABOUT
SOCIALIZATION.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE THE KID CAN MAKE UP
WHAT HE MIGHT BE MISSING IN MATH RIGHT NOW
DOWN THE ROAD IF THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT
GOES ON FOREVER AND EVER, AND LET'S HOPE IT
IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES
ON FOREVER.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN
THIS IS THEIR KINDERGARTEN YEAR, THIS IS THEIR
FRESHMAN YEAR.
ONE OF THOSE BIG TRANSITIONAL YEARS AND THEY
AREN'T HAVING THE SAME INTERACTIONS WITH THEIR
PEERS THAT THEY USED TO.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE ANXIETY THAT THE CHILDREN
ARE FEELING?
WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THEM WITH ALL OF THE
DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE FEELING, BECAUSE
THIS IS AFFECTING THE KIDS JUST LIKE IT IS
ADULTS AND GROWNUPS AND PEOPLE OF ALL AGES.
BUT THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
THAN ANY OF US EVER EXPERIENCED AS A CHILD.
AND SINCE WE NEVER WENT THROUGH IT, HOW DO
WE HELP THE CHILDREN TODAY DEAL WITH IT?
WHAT ARE SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN
TELL OUR VIEWERS TO HELP THE CHILDREN?
>> ONE OF MY FAVORITES ARE HAVING A LOT OF
SENSORY EXPERIENCES FOR KIDDOS.
SO, HAVING� I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE
HEARD OF CALM DOWN JARS, BUT YOU CAN MAKE
THEM WITH GLITTER AND WATER.
A KIDDO CAN SHAKE IT UP AND USE THAT TIME
TO CALM DOWN, TO FOCUS ON THE GLITTER SETTLING,
BREATHE IN AND BREATHE OUT, HAVING THINGS
THAT THEY CAN FIDGET WITH IN THEIR HANDS IF
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SITTING FOR A ZOOM
CLASS.
THAT CAN LOOK DISTRACTING BUT IT CAN HELP
KIDDOS FOCUS MORE ON THE ONLINE PORTIONS OF
WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LEARNING.
MAKING SURE THAT YOU CAN GIVE AS MUCH FEEDBACK
AS POSSIBLE TO ADMINISTRATION AND TEACHERS.
IF YOUR KID IS STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING,
IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE THE SOFTWARE
PROGRAM OR THE LOGIN INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE
BEEN GIVEN, LETTING SOMEBODY KNOW THAT.
DON'T TRY TO SUFFER IN SILENCE.
>> I THINK NO DIFFERENT THAN WE'VE TALKED
ABOUT FOR ADULTS IS TALKING WITH KIDS.
YOU KNOW, LISTENING, HAVING CONVERSATION WITH
KIDS AND CHECKING IN WITH THEM, YOU KNOW.
WHAT WAS THE BEST PART OF YOUR DAY?
WHAT WAS THE NOT SO BEST PART OF YOUR DAY?
BECAUSE KIDS WILL USUALLY TELL US, BUT WE
HAVE TO ASK OFTEN.
>> WE UNDERESTIMATE THEM ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE REGULARLY ASSUME BECAUSE THEY'RE CHILDREN
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, OR
THEY AREN'T BEING AFFECTED BY IT, WHEN KIDS
ARE SOME OF THE FIRST.
THEY'RE SO PERCEPTIVE.
IF YOU'VE BEEN AROUND A KID AND DON'T WANT
THEM TO HEAR SOMETHING, THEY'RE LIKE, I HEARD
THAT.
THEY RESPOND TO IT IMMEDIATELY.
SO INSTEAD, JUST HAVING OPEN, HONEST CONVERSATIONS.
AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT KIDS IS YOU WANT
TO TALK ABOUT THAT RESILIENCE FACTOR, THEY
HAVE IT WAY MORE THAN WE ADULTS DO.
SO INSTEAD OF PRETENDING LIKE YOU HAVE ANSWERS
THAT YOU DON'T, SAY I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN NEXT.
I KNOW THIS IS SCARY, IT'S SCARY FOR ME BUT
I'M GOING TO BE HERE FOR YOU.
RATHER THAN SHYING AWAY FROM THOSE HARD CONVERSATIONS,
OPENING UP TO THEM.
>> I WOULD ALSO REALLY ENCOURAGE THE AGE THEY
ARE, FOCUSING ON YOUR PRETEEN, YOUNG TEEN,
BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL ISSUES.
AND I THINK AS PARENTS, YOU NEED TO RESPECT
THAT THE CHILDREN NEED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER,
MEANING OTHER KIDS.
AND IF IT HAS TO BE ON A ZOOM OR PHONE, OR
ADOBE, WHATEVER TECHNOLOGY YOU'RE USING, THAT
THEY NEED THAT TIME ALONE WHERE YOU'RE NOT
LISTENING, OKAY, BECAUSE INTERESTING ENOUGH,
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENTAL ISSUES, YOU
CAN REALLY GET SOME OF THAT AS LONG AS THEY
HAVE THE CONTACT.
NOW, THE KIDS THAT I WORRY ABOUT ARE THE ONES
THAT ARE FIRST OF ALL SPECIAL NEEDS, OKAY?
AND ALSO THE ONES THAT TENDED TO BE THE SHIER
ONES.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE HAVE TO REALLY
WORK WITH THEM.
FOR INSTANCE, IF I HAVE A FRIEND WHO HAS A
CHILD WHO'S MORE OUTGOING, AND MY CHILD IS
THE REAL SHY, INTROVERTED ONE, I'M GOING TO
REACH OUT AND TRY TO GET THAT PERSON TO ENGAGE
THAT CHILD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I'M REALLY
WORRIED ABOUT THE DAMAGE DOWN THE ROAD, AND
THE SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN.
I WON'T GO INTO DIFFERENT DIAGNOSES, BUT THEY
ARE CERTAIN DIAGNOSES WITH CHILDREN THAT WE
REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT THERE TENDS TO
BE A SOCIAL ISOLATION.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE TO ACTIVELY,
BOTH AS PARENTS, AS FAMILY, AS TEACHERS, AS
CHURCH MEMBERS, REALLY ADDRESS.
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND KIDS OUT
THERE THAT THEY STILL HAVE FRIENDS.
>> YES.
>> THEY'RE STILL FRIENDS NO MATTER WHETHER
THEY GET TO SEE EACH OTHER EVERY DAY OR NOT.
YOU CAN FIND WAYS TO CHECK UP ON EACH OTHER
AND STILL HELP EACH OTHER AND TALK TO ONE
ANOTHER.
AND THEN IF YOU FIND OUT, IF YOUR FRIEND IS
STRUGGLING, TELL SOMEBODY.
TALK TO SOMEBODY.
HELP FIND A RESOURCE OR HELP FOR YOUR FRIEND.
>> MHMM.
>> I THINK GIVING THEM SOME CREDIT FOR BEING
ABLE TO FOLLOW SOME OF THE GUIDELINES THAT
WE HAVE NOW.
I MEAN, I HAVE A 3YEAROLD.
HE'S BE� HE WILL BE�4 IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
WE WERE ISOLATED FOR THE FIRST FEW MONTHS.
WHEN MASKWEARING BECAME A THING I HAD A DISCUSSION
WHERE IF WE WANT TO GO OUT YOU HAVE TO WEAR
A MASK.
HE'S WILLING TO DO THAT.
HE UNDERSTANDS THIS IS HOW WE GET TO DO THINGS.
YOU CAN HAVE PLAYDATES THAT DON'T LOOK THE
SAME AS PLAYDATES PREVIOUSLY AS LONG AS YOU
CAN CONVEY WE'RE GOING TO WEAR MASKS, WE'RE
GOING TO BE SIX�FEET APART, BUT YOU CAN
STILL TALK AND WE'LL BE OVER HERE SO YOU CAN
HAVE PRIVATE TIME.
I THINK WE WOULD BE PRETTY SURPRISED ABOUT
HOW MANY KIDS WOULD BE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH
THAT.
>> JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE REACHING OUT
AND YOU'RE ASKING, BECAUSE I THINK SOMETHING
THAT I KNOW KE'AN FELT WAS, SHE'S WORKING
AND WORRYING ABOUT HER CHILD.
THERE'S A LOT OF PARENTS IN THAT SAME BOAT.
BUT TRYING TO FIND PARENTS YOU CAN CONNECT
WITH WHO HAVE MORE FREE TIME, I WOULDN'T HAVE
THOUGHT OF THAT AS I NEED TO FIND A RESOURCE,
ANOTHER PERSON THAT I CAN LEAN ON IN THIS
TIME.
>> I KNOW THE HOMESCHOOL COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS
DONE THAT, AND REALLY LEANING IN IF YOU'VE
GOT FRIENDS THAT HOMESCHOOL.
I THINK BACK A LONG TIME AGO I HOMESCHOOLED
MY THREE CHILDREN AND I BELONGED TO WITH A
COMMUNITY OF OTHER HOMESCHOOLERS.
SO LEANING ON THOSE.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE REMOTE LEARNING THING
FOR A WHILE AND GETTING SOME GOOD IDEAS FROM
THEM, LIKE DANESSA SAID.
KIDS ARE GREAT ABOUT MASKWEARING AND CAN FOLLOW
THAT VERY READILY, I HAVE FOUND.
>> REALLY, KIDS DON'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT.
I KNOW IT FEELS LIKE WE TAKE A LOT, TALKING
ABOUT GUILT AND SHAME, WE HOLD OURSELVES AS
PARENTS UP TO A HIGH BAROMETER, FREQUENTLY
TO JUDGE OURSELVES ON.
BUT EVEN GIVING YOUR KID 30 MINUTES OF UNDIVIDED
ATTENTION ON THURSDAY NIGHTS FROM 6:30 TO
7:00, IT'S YOU AND ME.
THERE'S NO PHONES, NO COMPUTERS.
WE'RE PLAYING WHATEVER GAME YOU WANT TO PLAY,
EVEN IF IT'S A GAME I HATE BECAUSE YOU NEVER
WANT TO PLAY IT CORRECTLY.
I'M VERY RULEDRIVEN.
WE'RE GOING TO DO THE FUN THING YOU WANT TO
DO.
AND I MEAN, EVEN THAT CAN MAKE SUCH A BIG
DIFFERENCE IN A KIDDO'S WORLD.
AND THAT'S A GREAT THING TO BE IMPLEMENTING
EVEN WHEN WE'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC,
BUT BEING ABLE TO TURN OFF THE WORLD, TO BE
ABLE TO HAVE REALLY, I'M NOT DISTRACTED, NOT
COOKING DINNER, NOT PUTTING AWAY LAUNDRY,
NOT DOING THE 1500 OTHER THINGS IT FEELS LIKE
WE HAVE TO GET ACCOMPLISHED.
I'M JUST TAKING TIME TO BE WITH YOU.
>> HELPING THEM FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE CONTROL
OVER THAT TIME.
>> YEAH.
>> THEY GET TO CHOOSE, GET TO TAKE CONTROL
AND TURN OFF THE TECHNOLOGY.
TECHNOLOGY IS GREAT.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON ALL THE TIME.
AND I THINK IN OUR WORLD IT'S TAKEN US BACK
TO A SIMPLER LIFE WHERE WE'RE SITTING DOWN
AND PLAYING CARDS, YOU KNOW.
WE'RE PLAYING BOARD GAMES, WE'RE DOING PUZZLES
AND DIFFERENT THINGS BECAUSE FRANKLY, IT DOES
GET A LITTLE OVERWHELMING TO BE ON TECHNOLOGY
ALL THE TIME THESE DAYS.
AND YOU DO HAVE TO SHUT IT OFF.
THE KIDS NEED A BREAK FROM IT.
IF YOU GIVE THE CHOICE TO THE KIDS, THEY'RE
LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO.
LET'S TRY THIS.
AND THEY'RE COMING UP AND BEING CREATIVE,
WHICH IS REALLY FUN TO WATCH.
>> AND TO NOT COMPARE.
IT'S EASY TO LOOK ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SEE
WHAT SUCH AND SUCH MOM IS DOING AND APPEARS
TO HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER AND THE HAIR IS SLICKED
BACK PERFECT AND ALL THE KIDS ARE� YOU KNOW.
AND THAT'S NOT REALISTIC.
>> SHOWING THE 47 MAGNET GRAPHS THEY CREATED
OVER THE WEEK.
YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA LIFE IS GENERALLY NOT A
REAL LIFE.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THEY EXCEL IN, BUT
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE IN PARENTING THAT YOU
EXCEL IN.
AND THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT MAYBE DOESN'T
WORK FOR YOUR KIDS.
IF YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF STRUCTURE, DID THOSE
ACTIVITIES YOUR KID WOULDN'T THRIVE WITH THAT.
REMEMBERING JUST BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING IN
ANOTHER HOUSEHOLD DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT
FOR YOU.
>> I WAS ALSO THINKING THAT THIS COULD BE
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR CHILDREN TO CONNECT
WITH KIDS THAT THEY WOULDN'T USUALLY CONNECT
WITH.
FOR INSTANCE, I KNOW KIDS WHO DON'T KNOW THEIR
NEIGHBORS, OR DON'T KNOW WHO LIVES ACROSS
THE STREET.
AND WITH WEARING MASKS, IT IS POSSIBLE TO
CONNECT WITH CHILDREN THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE
CHOSEN TO BE WITH, AND EVEN DO THINGS LIKE
SHOOT HOOPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE
YOU HAVE ENOUGH DISTANCE.
YOU'RE WEARING A MASK.
YOU COULD BE SITTING ON A PORCH, OKAY, LIKE
A BIG WRAPAROUND PORCH WITH KIDS THAT YOU
IGNORED OR THAT IGNORED YOU.
SO I THINK IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS
EXPLORING A BIGGER WORLD, BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY
CONCERNS ME.
>> A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION TONIGHT.
IN OUR LAST MINUTE, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A LAST
WORD YOU'D LIKE TO THROW IN?
ALL RIGHT.
WELL, WE THANK YOU FOR TUNING IN THIS EVENING
TO OUR LIVE BEING WELL CORONAVIRUS AND MENTAL
HEALTH.
AND AS WE SAID EARLIER, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT
NUMBERS, A LOT OF GREAT RESOURCES OUT THERE.
SO BE SURE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
WE HOPE THAT YOU FEEL EDUCATED AND INFORMED,
AND EMPOWERED.
WE WANT YOU TO ALL STAY HEALTHY.
WE WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR GUESTS FOR SOCIAL
DISTANCING TONIGHT WITH US FOR THIS LIVE EPISODE
OF BEING WELL.
AND I WANT YOU TO JOIN LACEY, NEW HOST OF
BEING WELL FOR THE NEW SEASON STARTING UP
NEXT WEEK.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT TOPICS IN STORE.
SOME OF THEM ARE RELATED TO COVID, SOME AREN'T.
SOME ARE SOME OLD RELIABLE ONES LIKE HEART
HEALTH AND DIABETES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, THAT WILL BE ON TUESDAY NIGHTS AT 7:00.
SO BE SURE TO JOIN US RIGHT HERE ON WEIU TV.
>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU.
>> CARLE IS REDEFINING HEALTHCARE AROUND YOU.?
? INNOVATING NEW SOLUTIONS, AND OFFERING ALL
LEVELS OF CARE, WHEN AND WHERE YOU NEED IT.?
? INVESTING IN TECHNOLOGY AND RESEARCH TO
OPTIMIZE HEALTHCARE, CARLE WITH HEALTH ALLIANCE,
IS ALWAYS AT THE FOREFRONT TO HELP YOU THRIVE.
>> LORI: THEY'RE THE ONES WHO RAISE THE BAR.
THE ONES DEDICATED TO PROVIDING CARE IN THE
MOST DEMANDING OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
THE ONES THAT UNDERSTAND THE HEALING BENEFITS
OF KINDNESS AND COMPASSION.
THEY'RE THE PEOPLE OF SARAH BUSH LINCOLN,
AND THEY SET THE BAR HIGH.
SARAH BUSH LINCOLN� TRUSTED, COMPASSIONATE
CARE, RIGHT HERE, CLOSE TO HOME.
>> FOR OVER 50 YEARS, HORIZON HEALTH HAS BEEN
KEEPING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HEALTHY.
AND ALTHOUGH SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED, HORIZON
HEALTH'S COMMITMENT TO MEET THE EVERCHANGING
NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY HAS REMAINED THE SAME.
HORIZON HEALTH, 50 YEARS STRONG.�
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