>> Adrienne:  GOOD EVENING.
I'M ADRIENNE ARSENAULT.
ANDREW IS OFF.
TONIGHT THE COAST OF COVID-19.
>> Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau:  WE
TOOK ON DEBT SO CANADIANS
WOULDN'T HAVE TO.
>> Adrienne:  $343 BILLION, A
STAGGERING DEFICIT NOT SEEN
SINCE THE SECOND WORLD WAR AND
NO CLEAR WAY OUT.
HOW DO YOU KICK-START THE
ECONOMY WHEN PARENTS CAN'T WORK?
>> IT'S HARD.
I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST, I AM
TIRED PHYSICALLY.
I AM TIRED MENTALLY.
>> Adrienne:  THE CHILDCARE
CHALLENGE THAT MAY ONLY GET
WORSE COME SEPTEMBER.
SURVIVING A HEATWAVE DURING A
PANDEMIC.
>> YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF THE
HOUSE, BUT THEN YOU'RE AFRAID OF
TO LEAVE THE HOUSE.
>> Adrienne:  THE NEW THREAT
FACING LONG-TERM CARE HOMES.
THEY'VE BEEN OUR LOYAL
COMPANIONS THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.
>> THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS,
I'VE TRIED TO LEAVE A LITTLE BIT
MORE.
>> Adrienne:  PREPARING YOUR
POOCH FOR THE RETURN TO WORK.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>> Adrienne:  THERE ARE ALL
KINDS OF WAYS TO MEASURE THE
IMPACT OF THIS PANDEMIC ON
CANADIANS, LIKE THE NUMBER OF
COVID-19 CASES OR THE NUMBER OF
DEATHS.
WELL, TODAY, THERE'S A NEW
NUMBER, STUNNINGLY HIGH FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT $343 BILLION,
THAT IS HOW BIG CANADA'S DEFICIT
IS EXPECTED TO GET THIS YEAR
AFTER MONTHS OF EMERGENCY
SPENDING.
AND WE AREN'T OUT OF THE WOODS
YET.
SO WHAT'S THE PLAN GOING
FORWARD?
WE'LL PUT THAT QUESTION TO THE
FINANCE MINISTER IN A BIT.
BUT FIRST, LET'S START WITH THE
DETAILS RELEASED TODAY AND THAT
BIG NUMBER.
DAVID COCHRAN WITH THE CONTEXT
AND THE CRITICISMS.
>> Reporter:  FROM THE MATH TO
THE MASK, NEVER A FISCAL UPDATE
LIKE THIS.
>> SOME WILL CRITICIZE US ON THE
COST OF ACTION, BUT OUR
GOVERNMENT NEW THE COST OF
INACTION WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR
GREATER.
>> Reporter:  THE COST OF COVID
IS ENORMOUS.
THE DEFICIT NOW PROJECTED AT
$343 BILLION, THE BIGGEST SINCE
THE SECOND WORLD WAR.
THE DEBT PROJECTED TO HIT A
RECORD HIGH OF $1.2 TRILLION.
THE ECONOMIC TOLL, THE WORST
SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION, WITH
THE ECONOMY EXPECTED TO SHRINK
BY 6.8% AND THE JOB NUMBERS,
STAGGERING.
5.5 MILLION CANADIANS LOST THEIR
JOBS OR HOURS AND THAT'S
ONE-THIRD OF THE WORKFORCE.
>> AT A TIME WHEN CANADIAN
WORKERS AND FAMILIES ARE FACING
SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP, AUSTERITY,
TIGHTENING YOUR BELT IS NOT THE
ANSWER.
>> Reporter:  BUT MILLIONS ARE
TIGHTENING THEIR BELT BECAUSE
EVEN AFTER ALL THAT SPENDING,
THOUSANDS OF BUSINESSES ARE
CLOSED AND EMPLOYEES ALL OF JOB.
SO ONE MEASURE, $50 BILLION FOR
THE WAGE SUBSIDY, TO HELP
COMPANIES REOPEN AND REHIRE.
THE DETAILS ARE STILL TO BE
DETERMINED.
>> Andrew Scheer:  THE PRIME
MINISTER HAS NO PLAN TO HELP
CANADIANS RETURN TO WORK, TO
PLAN TO GUIDE OUR ECONOMIC
RECOVERY.
>> I THINK WE NEED A FORWARD
PLAN AND I THINK THE PRESSURE
SHOULD INCREASE ON THE
GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A FISCAL
PLAN, A STRATEGY FOR THIS YEAR
AND NEXT YEAR.
>> Reporter:  WHAT'S MISSING
HERE IS WHAT COMES NEXT.
THIS UPDATE IS LARGELY BACKWARDS
LOOKING, A TALLY OF THE COSTSCHS OF
THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE BUT STILL
A NEED FOR AN ECONOMIC RECOVERY
PLAN, WHICH MEANS BILLIONS MORE
IN NEW SPENDING AND NEW
PROGRAMMES.
DAVID COCHRAN, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.
>> Adrienne:  SO ON THAT, LET'S
BRING IN ROSEMARY BARTON.
ROSIE, THIS NUMBER CLEARLY
REFLECTS THE IMMEDIATE SPENDING
HAPPENING, BUT WHAT ABOUT
ECONOMIC RECOVERY LATER DOWN THE
ROAD?
>> Rosemary:  WELL, AS DAVID
MENTIONED, THE GOVERNMENT WILL
HAVE MORE TO TELL US IN THE
FALL, FOR SURE.
, BUT THERE IBUT THERE IS A DIRE RIGHT DES
IRE RIGHT NOW
TO TALK ABOUT THE URGENCY THAT
STILL EXISTS.
SO MANY HAVE REDUCED WORK HOURS,
AREN'T BACK TO THEIR JOBS AND
DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR DOWN
THE ROAD, IF YOU WILL, UNTIL
SOME OF THE THINGS ARE DEALT
WITH.
THERE ARE OTHER BITS AND PIECES
THEY NEED TO WORK OUT.
THEY ARE STILL TALKING TO
PROVINCES ABOUT WHERE
$14 BILLION WILL GO AND HOW TO
SUPPORT CHILDCARE, FOR INSTANCE,
BECAUSE THAT WILL BE CRITICAL TO
THE ECONOMY REOPENING IN
SEPTEMBER, TOO.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS, THOUGH,
THE RECOVERY PART OF THIS IS
THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS WELL
AWARE THAT THE ECONOMY IS NOT
JUST GOING TO START SPINNING ON
ITS OWN WITHOUT ANY HELP.
THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT STIMULUS AND
WHERE TO PUT THAT STIMULUS TO
TRY TO GROW THEIR WAY OUT OF
THIS, WHICH IS WHAT THE
GOVERNMENT WANTS TO DO.
IT WON'T LAC LOOK LIKE ANYTHING
WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, BUT THEN
AGAIN, NONE OF THIS HAS.
>> Adrienne:  HUGE DECISIONS
AHEAD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ROSIE WILL BE BACK IN 20 MINUTES
WITH A SPECIAL EDITION OF "AT
ISSUE" AND AN INTERVIEW WITH
FINANCE MINISTER BILL MORE KNOW.
>>> LET'S FOCUS IN ON CHILDCARE
WHICH IS THE ISSUE AND AS
JACQUELINE HANSEN EXPLAINS, IT
IS KEY TO ECONOMIC RECOVERY.
>> Reporter:  IT'S DOUBLE-DUTY
FOR THE WOODWARDS, BOTH NOW
WORKING FROM HOME DUE TO
COVID-19.
>> IT'S HARD.
MINE, I'LL BE HONEST, THERE ARE
DAYS THAT I AM -- I'M TIRED.
>> Reporter:  THE CHILDCARE THEY
USED TO RELY ON IS OPEN AND
CAPACITY IS LIMITED AND NO PLAN
ANNOUNCED YET FOR SCHOOL IN THE
FALL.
>> COME SEPTEMBER, IF I DO HAVE
TO GO BACK INTO THE OFFICE,
BEFORE AND AFTER-CARE BECOMES A
VERY BIG CONCERN FOR US.
>> Reporter:  IT COULD BECOME AN
ECONOMIC ROADBLOCK.
>> WE HAVE PEOPLE NOW ON OUR
WAITING LIST THAT NEED CARE.
>> Reporter:  KIM YEMAN'S IS
OPENING ONE OF HER CHILDCARE
CENTRES NEXT WEEK AND BRINGING
BACK ALL TEN STAFF BUT INSTEAD
OF 80 CHILDREN, SHE CAN ONLY
TAKE 24.
>> THIS IS A SEVERE SITUATION
THAT EVEN WITH THE 75% WAGE
SUBSIDY, THEIR FEES WILL NOT
JUSTIFY SET THE COSTS OF THE
STAFF.
>> Reporter:  IF CAPACITY
REMAINS TAPPED AND RELIEF RUNS
OUT, CHILDCARE SPACES COULD
CLOSE PERMANENTLY.
>> THERE SEEMS TO BE NO PLAN TO
CONSERVE THAT CAPACITY.
>> Reporter:  THAT COULD HIT
WOMEN HARDEST.
THEY'VE LOST MORE JOBS DUE TO
MEN DUE TO COVID-19, WHAT SHES A
SHE-SESSION.
>> FOR SHE-COVERY.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE CHILDCARE,
THEY CAN'T GO BACK.
>> Reporter:  LOWER
PRODUCTIVITY.
>> WE'RE STARING INTO AN
ECONOMIC DEPRESSION.
>> Reporter:  OTTAWA IS GIVING
THAT $15 BILLION TO THE
PROVINCES TO GET BACK BACK TO
WORK BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR
CHILDCARE.
DAYCARE PROVIDERS WANT A PLAN
AND SO DO PARENTS.
CONTINUING LIKE THIS, LIKELY
ISN'T SUSTAINABLE.
>> IF I HAD TO, I WOULD, I
COULD.
DO I WANT TO?
NO.
[ Laughter ]
>> Reporter:  JACQUELINE HANSEN,
CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Adrienne:  AND EVEN MORE
ECONOMIC FALL-OUT TODAY FROM THE
PANDEMIC.
VIA RAIL ANNOUNCED IT WILL
TEMPORARILY LAY OFF ABOUT A
THOUSAND WORKERS SAYING IT
DOESN'T SEE RIDERSHIP GETTING
BACK TO NORMAL ANY TIME SOON.
THE LAY-OFFS WILL TAKE EFFECT ON
JULY 24th.
>>> COVID-19 IS STILL SUBDUED IN
CANADA, REGISTERING FEWER THAN
300 NEW CASES FOR THE FIFTH
STRAIGHT DAY BUT THE LATEST
MODELING FROM PUBLIC HEALTH
CANADA EQUIPMENTS THI CONFIRMS THIS IS FAR
 FROM
OVER.
IN CASES LIKE THE TORONTO AREA,
CASES ARE EMERGING FROM THE
COMMUNITY AND IN ALBERTA,
OUTBREAKS ARE MORE LOCALIZED.
TODAY, A SINGLE EDMONTON
HOSPITAL IS NOW CLOSED TO NEW
PATIENTS AFTER WHAT IT IS
CALLING A FULL FACILITY
OUTBREAK.
AS RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN SHOWS US,
FINDING THE CAUSE IS NOT EASY.
>> WE ALL ARE TO REMAIN VIGILANT
ABOUT COVID-19.
>> Reporter:  VIGILANCE AT THE
HOSPITAL HAS INCREASED AND LEFT
THREE PATIENTS DEAD AND 35
PATIENTS AND STAFF INFECTED AND
NOW THEY'RE CLOSING DOORS TO THE
PUBLIC.
>> IT'S MEANT CANCELING
SURGERIES THAT WERE ONGOING
THERE AND THE OUTPATIENT
APPOINTMENTS.
WE'VE MOVED LABOUR AND DELIVERY
AND CLOSED THE EMERGENCY
DEPARTMENT.
>> Reporter:  SOME SURGERIES
HAVE MOVED TO OTHER HOSPITALS
AND HEALTH OFFICIALS ARE BUSY
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH STAFF
NEED TO GET TESTED FOR COVID-19.
ALBERTA'S IMPROVE EFFECTIO INFECTION RATES
 HAVE
BEEN RELATIVELY LOW.
>> HONOURABLE MEMBER HAS A
QUESTION.
>> Reporter:  SO THE OPPOSITION
WANTS TO KNOW HOW AN OUTBREAK
COULD SHUT DOWN A HOSPITAL.
>> WHAT EMERGENCY STEPS HAVE YOU
TAKEN TO PREVENT THE STEPS OF
COVID-19?
>> WE CONTINUE CLOSELY WITH THE
MEDICAL OFFICER OF HEALTH.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE
ABOUT HOW THIS PROCESS OCCURRED.
>> Reporter:  THE HOSPITAL SAYS
THE OUTBREAK STARTED WITH TWO
INFECTED UNITS.
THOUGH IT HAS NOT DISCLOSED
WHICH ONES AND STILL NOT CLEAR
HOW THE VIRAL GOT INTO THE
HOSPITAL AND THEN SPREAD.
>> IT COULD BE A FAILURE OF PPE.
IT COULD BE A FAILURE OF MASK
DISCIPLINE.
>> Reporter:  THIS
EPIDEMIOLOGIST SAYS TRACKING
THAT DOWN IS DIFFICULT IN LARGE
HEALTHCARE FACILITIES WITH
MULTIPLE PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT
AND MOVING AROUND.
AND WITH GROWING CONCERNS ABOUT
AIRBORNE TRANSMISSION, THERE IS
SOMETHING ELSE TO CHECK, TOO.
>> WE NEED TO TAKE VENTILATION
SYSTEMS MORE SERIOUSLY, THE
APPROPRIATE FILTERS HAVE TO BE
PUT IN PLACE.
>> Reporter:  RESISMISERICORDIA IS
LOOKING INTO THIS AND OTHER
HOSPITALS CAN PICK UP THE SLACK
WHILE IT GETS THIS OUTBREAK
UNDER CAROLE.
RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN, CBC NEWS.
>> Adrienne:  A WAVE OF
INFECTIONS SWEEPS ACROSS THE
SOUTH AND 60,000 NEW CASES
ALONE.
TODAY THE U.S. HIT ANOTHER NEW
HIGH-WATER MARK AND THE VIRUS
JUST KEEPS SPREADING FASTER.
THE FIRST CASE WAS DETECTED ON
JANUARY 21st AND TOOK 99 DAYS
FOR THE CASES TO CLIMB TO LATE
APRIL AND HIT TWO MILLION SIX
WEEKS AFTER THAT AND 28 DAYS
LAYER, THERE ARE MORE THAN THREE
MILLION CASES IN THE UNITED
STATES.
SO THAT DEEPLY CONCERNING NUMBER
WAS THE BACKDROP AS THE WHITE
HOUSE CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE
HELD AN UPDATE TODAY.
AS KATIE SIMPSON TELLS US, THEIR
KEY FOCUS WAS REOPENING, AS WELL
AS DEALING WITH AN EVER-PRESENT
WILDCARD, THE PRESIDENT'S
TWITTER ACCOUNT.
>> IT'S TIME FOR US TO GET OUR
KIDS BACK TO SCHOOL.
>> Reporter:  THE WHITE HOUSE
CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE IS
RAMPING UP PRESSURE TO REOPEN
SCHOOLS, EVEN AS THE U.S. MARKS
THREE MILLION COVID CASES AND
COUNTING.
>> ULTIMATELY, IT'S NOT A MATTER
OF IF SCHOOLS SHOULD REOPEN.
IT'S SIMPLY A MATTER OF HOW.
>> Reporter:  NEW SAFETY
GUIDELINES FOR REOPENING WILL BE
RELEASED NEXT WEEK AFTER THE
PRESIDENT ATTACKED THE CURRENT
ADVICE FROM HIS OWN GOVERNMENT
AGENCY EMPHASIZING GOOD HYGIENE
AND PHYSICAL DISTANCING.
>> WE DON'T WANT THE GUIDANCE TO
BE TOO TOUGH.
>> Reporter:  IN A TWEET, DONALD
TRUMP WROTE, I DISAGREE WITH THE
CENTRES FOR DISEASE CONTROL ON
TOUGH AND EXPENSIVE GUIDELINES
FOR OPENING SCHOOLS, CALLING IT
VERY IMPRACTICAL.
THE WHITE HOUSE DENIES TRUMP IS
PRESSURING MEDICAL EXPERTS TO
CHANGE PUBLIC HEALTH ADVICE
BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE IT.
>> NO, NOT AT ALL.
THE PRESIDENT MADE HIS OPINION
CLEAR ON TWITTER FOR ALL TO SEE.
>> Reporter:  TRUMP ALSO
THREATENED TO CUT FUNDING TO
SCHOOLS THAT DON'T REOPEN.
A THREAT NEW YORK'S GOVERNOR
MOCKED.
>> WELL, I WON'T GIVE NEW YORK
FUNDING.
YOU DON'T GIVE US ANY FUNDING
NOW.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Reporter:  WHATEVER
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE RELEASED,
THE HEAD OF THE CDC SAYS
GUIDELINES WILL NOT BE
MANDATORY.
>> THE CDC, I WANT TO MAKE IT
VERY CLEAR THAT WHAT IS NOT THE
INTENT OF CDC'S GUIDELINES IS TO
BE USED AS A RATIONALE TO KEEP
SCHOOLS CLOSED.
>> Reporter:  THE TASK FORCE DID
ADMIT THAT SOME SCHOOLS IN HOT
SPOTS WON'T BE ABLE TO REOPEN
AND PEOPLE ARE ASKED TO RESUME
STRICT PHYSICAL DISTANCING
PRACTISES.
>> NOT ONLY USE THE FACE
COVERINGS, NOT GOING TO BARS OR
IN-DOOR DINING, BUT REALLY NOT
GATHERING IN HOMES EITHER.
>> Reporter:  SOME PROMOTION OF
PHYSICAL DISTANCING IS UNDER
FRESH SCRUTINY AFTER HEALTH
OFFICIALS IN TULSA SAY NEARLY
500 NEW COVID CASES ARE LIKELY
LINKED TO HIS REELECTION RALLY
THERE.
KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
>> Adrienne:  AFTER CALLS FOR
CHANGE SOUTH OF THE BORDER AND
TEAMS LIKE THE WASHINGTON
REDKINS REVIEWING ITS NAME, A
CANADIAN FOOTBALL TEAM IS FOLLOW
POSITION SUIT.
THIS COMES AS ONE OF THE TEAMS
BIGGEST SPONSORS THREATENS TO
CUT TIES SAYING THE NAME IS NO
LONGER APPROPRIATE.
THE TEAM WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE
ON THE NAME BY THE END OF JULY.
>>> MONTREAL'S NEW POLICY ON
STREET CHECKS IS MEANT TO
RESTORE TRUST AFTER ACCUSATIONS
OF WIDE-SPREAD RACIAL PROFILING,
BUT AS ALISON NORTHCOTT TELLS
US, FOR MANY, IT DOESN'T GO FAR
ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY FORETHOSFOR THOSE WHO
HAVE BEEN THE TARGET OF RANDOM
STOPS AGAIN AND AGAIN.
>> Reporter:  ERIC PREACH SAYS
HE'S BEEN STOPPED BY POLICE
COUNTLESS TIMES.
>> MY MAXIMUM IN ONE MONTH WAS
FIVE TIMES.
>> Reporter:  A REPORT LAST FALL
FOUND BLACK AND INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE WERE FOUR TO FIVE TIMES
MORE LIKELY THAN WHITE PEOPLE TO
BE STOPPED AND QUESTIONED BY
MONTREAL POLICE.
THERE WAS NO STREET STOP IN
QUEBEC BUT THOSE CHECKS WILL
HAVE TO BE BASED ON OBSERVABLE
FACTS AND NOT MOTIVATED BY
DISCRIMINATION.
>> THE POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO
WORK WITH OBSERVABLE FACTS WHICH
GIVES THEM A REASON TO INTERACT
WITH THE PERSON AND TO DO A
POLICE CHECK.
SO THAT'S A MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE
POLICE OFFICERS.
>> Reporter:  OFFICERS WILL HAVE
TO TELL PEOPLE WHY THEY'RE
STOPPING THEN, BUT WON'T HAVE TO
TELL THEM THAT IT IS THEIR RIGHT
NOT TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS.
>> THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY
MEANINGFUL CHANGES AT ALL.
>> Reporter:  CRITICS SAY THE
POLICY IS WEAK BECAUSE IT
DOESN'T INCLUDE SANCTIONS FOR
OFFICERS WHO DON'T FOLLOW IT.
>> THERE HAS TO BE AN EARLY
WARNING SYSTEM AND TIED INTO
SANCTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE REPEAT OFFENDERS,
SERIAL PROFILERS WITHIN YOUR
RANK, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FEW
THEM.
FIRE THEM.
>> Reporter:  IT REFERS TO
ENDING ETHNO RACIAL
DISCRIMINATION IS ANOTHER FLAW.
>> IT SHOWS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN
POLICE AND DRIVERS AND
PEDESTRIANS OFTEN STOPPED.
>> Reporter:  MONTREAL CITY
COUNCIL PASSED A MOTION LAST
YEAR ASKING POLICE TO STOP
STREET CHECKS ALL TOGETHER, BUT
THE FORCE SAYS THEY'RE AN
IMPORTANT TOOL.
>> IT'S SO FAKE.
>> Reporter:  ERIC PREACH SAYS
HE DOESN'T THINK IT WILL MAKE A
DIFFERENCE.
>> I HOPE IT'S A DOOR TO A
BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE
BIGGER ISSUE IS.
>> Reporter:  HE WANTS CHANGES
THAT GO FAR BEYOND STREET
CHECKS.
ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS,
MONTREAL.
>> Adrienne:  THE PRIME MINISTER
TODAY TALKED ABOUT THE STEPS HIS
GOVERNMENT WILL BE TAKING TO
ADDRESS SYSTEMIC RACISM IN
CANADA.
>> Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau:  CABINET HAS P
UT TOGETHER A WORK
PLAN FOR THE SUMMER MONTHS.
OUR GOAL IS TO COME UP WITH
STRONG POLICIES THAT WILL HELP
ELIMINATE BARRIERS FACING
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, RACIALIZED
PEOPLE AND PERSONS WITH
DISABILITIES.
>> Adrienne:  THAT PLAN WILL
INCLUDE LOOKING AT WAYS TO
MODERNIZE THE COUNTRY'S POLICING
STRUCTURES, EXPANDING FIRST
NATIONS POLICING AND BRINGING IN
BETTER PROTECTIONS FOR TEMPORARY
FOREIGN WORKERS.
A NEW REPORT BY THE COMPANY'S
AUDITOR GENERAL DISCOVERED A
MAJOR FAILURE FROM THE CANADA'S
BORDER SERVICE'S AGENCY AND
TURNS OUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
DEPORTATIONS MIGHT NOT HAVE
TAKEN PLACE AND THE AGENCY LOST
TRACK OF THESE PEOPLE.
CATHERINE CULLEN EXPLAINS.
>> Reporter:  THERE HAVE BEEN SO
MUCH SCRUTINY OF SOME OF THE
PEOPLE ARRIVING IN CANADA.
THIS REPORT RAISES QUESTIONS HOW
AND WHETHER SOME LEAVE.
THE AUDITOR GENERAL FOUND AS OF
APRIL 2019, THERE WERE 50,000
INDIVIDUALS WITH SO-CALLEDDEN
FORCIBLE REMOVABLE ORDERS, WHERE
A PERSON FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY NO
LONGER HAS THE LEGAL RIGHT TO
STAY IN CANADA.
IN MANY CASES, THESE ARE FAILED
ASYLUM CLAIMANTS.
THE REPORT REVEALED FOR THE
MAJORITY, 34,700 CASES IN THE
WANTED INVENTORY, INDIVIDUALS
WHEREABOUTS WERE UNKNOWN ZI.
>> IN THE CASE OF CRIMINAL
CASES, THESE ARE THE HIGHEST
PRIORITIES FOR REMOVAL AND YET,
WE FOUND MANY REMAINED IN THE
AGENCY'S INVENTORY FOR YEARS.
>> THE FINDINGS OVERALL ARE
PRETTY DAMAGING.
>> Reporter:  THIS ISN'T SIMPLY
A BUREAUCRATIC ISSUE BUT ONE OF
NATIONAL SECURITY, SAYS THIS
PROFESSOR.
>> YOU CAN'T ENFORCE THESE
REMOVAL ORDERS, THEN YOU'RE
ALLOWING DANGEROUS INDIVIDUALS,
ARE THEY'RE CRIMINALS, WAR
CRIMINALS, OTHERS TO REMAIN IN
CANADA AND OFTEN REMAIN IN
CANADA IN WAYS THAT YOU DON'T
EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
>> Reporter:  STILL, THE
NEWSPAPERNUMBERSMAY NOT TELL THE WHOLE STO
RY.
PEOPLE MAY HAVE LEFT WITHOUT THE
BORDER AGENCY'S KNOWLEDGE.
>> WE HAVE CASES WHERE PEOPLE
CALL TO DISCUSS A CLIENT'S CASE
AND WE LET THEM KNOW THAT THE
CLIENT, AS A MATTER OF FACT,
LEFT MONTHS AGO.
>> Reporter:  THE PRIME MINISTER
TODAY PLEDGED TO DO A BETTER JOB
OF ENSURING THE TRANSI INTEGRITY OF THE
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
>> Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau:  WE
WILL BE LOOKING CLOSELY AND
FOLLOWING THE REGULARS MADE BY
THE AUDITOR GENERAL.
>> Reporter:  THE CANADA BORDER
SERVICE'S AGENCY SAYS IT'S
REVIEWING ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING
CASES AND FOCUSING ON THOSE OF
GREATEST CONCERN, BUT IN ORDER
FOR THE AGENCY TO GET ITS ACT
TOGETHER, A MORE IN-DEPTH
REGULAR REVIEW IS NEEDED.
>> Adrienne:  ONTARIO IS QUEBEC
ARE SWEATING THROUGH SERIOUSLY
HOT WEATHER RIGHT NOW AND COPING
IS COMPLICATED DURING A
PANDEMIC.
>> WE WANT TO GET OUT OF THE
HOUSE, BUT THEN YOU'RE AFRAID TO
LEAVE THE HOUSE.
>> Adrienne:  KEEPING COOL WHEN
THINGS ARE COLD.
MUCH MORE ON THAT SKY-HIGH
DEFICIT NUMBER, NUMBER
343 BILLION.
THE FINANCE MINISTER ON WHAT
COMES NEXT.
PLUS, "AT ISSUE" IS HERE FOR A
SPECIAL WEDNESDAY EDITION.
AND MAN'S BEST FRIEND HAS GOTTEN
USED TO US BEING AROUND.
MANAGING FIDO'S FEELINGS AS WE
GO BACK TO W
>> WELCOME BACK.
OFFICIALS IN BRITISH COLUMBIA
ARE INVESTIGATING A MOTEL FIRE
IN PRINCE GEORGE WHICH LEFT
THREE PEOPLE DEAD.
CREWS BATTLING FLAMES AND HEAVY
SMOKE AND THIS IS BEING
DESCRIBED AS SUSPICIOUS.
>>> ENVIRONMENTAL CANADA
CONFIRMED FOUR TORNADOES TOUCHED
DOWN IN ALBERTA YESTERDAY, ALL
OF THEM WERE BRIEF AND GIVEN A
RATING OF EF0, THE LOWEST
POSSIBLE AND NO MAJOR DAMAGE
REPORTED.
WIND WARNINGS, THOUGH, REMAIN IN
EFFECT IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PART
OF THE PROVINCE TONIGHT.
YEP, DEFINITELY EXTREME WEATHER
IN TORONTO.
HEAVY RAIN FLOODING PARTS OF THE
CITY AND STRONG WINDS KNOCKING
DOWN TREES.
THE CITY WAS UNDER A TORN WATCH
FOR MUCH OF THE AFTERNOON AND
40,000 CUSTOMERS WERE WITHOUT
POWER AT SOME POINT THIS
AFTERNOON.
ALL THIS IN THE MIDST OF A
SWEATERRING HEATWAVE.
AS THOMAS DAIGLE TELLS US, THE
PANDEMIC IS ONLY MAKING THINGS
THAT MUCH MORE COMPLICATED.
>> Reporter:  GETTING TESTED FOR
COVID-19 MAY BE UNCOMFORTABLE,
BUT WAITING IN THE HEAT CAN BE
UNBEARABLE.
OR HOW ABOUT THE UNAVOIDABLE
SWEAT THAT COMES WITH WEARING
THAT MASK IN THE SUN?
SUCH AS THE TROUBLE ENDURING AN
ESPECIALLY SUMMER AMID THE
PANDEMIC.
>> IT'S ALMOST LIKE DESERT KIND
OF CONDITION, VERY, VERY HOT,
MORNING, NOON AND NIGHT AND IT'S
RELENTLESS AND REALLY A MARKER
OF WHAT WE MIGHT SEE MORE AS THE
NORM.
>> Reporter:  THIS HEATWAVE CAME
EARLIER THAN USUAL, BLASTING
PARTS OF CENTRAL CANADA WITH
TEMPERATURES ABOVE 30 FOR
SEVERAL DAYS.
>> I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT
IT'S BEEN THIS HOT FOR SO LONG.
>> IT'S HOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO
GET OUT OF THE HOUSE BUT YOU'RE
AFRAID TO LEAVE THE HOUSE.
>> Reporter:  A PANDEMIC MEANS
FEWER PLACES TO COOL OFF.
FROM THIS INDOOR WATER PARK, TO
AIR CONDITIONED MOVIE THEATRES
STILL UNABLE TO SHOW MOVIES.
SOME HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TURN
TO EMERGENCY COOLING CENTRES
LIKE BRIAN RICARDI, HOMELESS FOR
THREE MONTHS AND STAYING AT THIS
CENTRE NOW FOR FIVE NIGHTS.
>> THE FLOORS ARE REALLY CODE COLD
AND THERE ARE NO BLANKETS, BUT
IT'S BETTER THAN STAYING ON THE
STREETS RESIDENT THOSE PUT AT
>> Reporter:  THOSE PUT AT RISK
BY THE VIRUS ARE MORE VULNERABLE
NOW, CONSIDERING LONG-TERM CARE
HOMES IN QUEBEC HAVE TO AIR
CONDITIONING.
>> I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT A WAVE
OF COVID-19 OVER THE SUMMER BUT
A NEW WAVE OF DEATHS OCCURRING
OVER THE SUMMER BASICALLY
BECAUSE OF HEAT-INDUCED ILLNESS.
>> Reporter:  TORONTO MAY HAVE
SEEN AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORMS AND
FLOODING, BUT REMEMBER, THE
HOTTEST DAYS OF THE YEAR ARE
USUALLY STILL TWO WEEKS AWAY.
THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Adrienne:  STILL AHEAD ON
"THE NATIONAL," AS THE COUNTRY
STARTS TO REOPEN, YOUR DOG MIGHT
HAVE TO GET USED TO A LITTLE
MORE ALONE TIME.
>> SPENDING AS LITTLE AS 15
MINUTES A DAY WITH THE DOG,
TALKING TO THEM AND MASSAGING
THEM.
>> Adrienne:  EXPERT ADVICE ON
KEEPING YOUR DOG HAPPY AND YOUR
SHOES FROM BEING CHILD.
>>> BUT FIRST, CANADA'S 343
BILLION-DOLLAR DEFICIT, OUR
CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT,
ROSEMARY BARTON IS BACK.
>> Rosemary:  THIS FISCAL
SNAPSHOT GAVE US A SENSE OF WHAT
THIS LOOKS LIKE, HUNDREDS OF
BILLIONS IN DEFICIT, OVER A
TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT AND
WHAT THIS MEANS FOR CANADIANS.
PLUS, "AT ISSUE," CHANTAL,
ANDREW AND
>> Rosemary:  THE COVID-19
PANDEMIC HAS LEAD TO AN ECONOMIC
CRISIS FORCING THE COUNTRY TO
SHUT DOWN AND LEAVING MANY
CANADIANS WITHOUT WORK.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
RESPONDING WITH BILLIONS IN
FINANCIAL AID, BUT WITH NO
SPRING BUDGET, OTTAWA HASN'T
SHARED ITS OWN FISCAL
PROJECTIONS UNTIL TODAY.
A SNAPSHOT WITH A FEDERAL
DEFICIT EXPECTED TO REACH
$343 BILLION AND A TOTAL DEBT
LEVEL SET TO EXCEED ONE
TRILLION.
ALREADY UNPRECEDENTED NUMBERS
FOR A CRISIS THAT IS FAR FROM
OVER.
AND THE MINISTER OF FINANCE,
BILL MORNEAU, JOINS ME NOW FOR A
LOOK AT TODAY'S FISCAL SNAPSHOT.
THANKS FOR JOINING ME.
SO THIS IS SPENDING WE HAVE NOT
SEEN SINCE THE SECOND WORLD WAR,
$343 BILLION IN DEFICIT.
OBVIOUSLY, IN EXTRAORDINARY
CIRCUMSTANCES.
, BUT DBUT DO YOU THINK DEFICITS STILL
MATTER IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET
RID OF THEM OR HOW CANADIANS
UNDERSTAND THEM?
>> IT ALWAYS MATTERS TO BE
FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
IN THIS SITUATION, YO YOU KNOW, WE
WERE CLEAR, WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO
SUPPORT CANADIANS DURING AN
EXTRAORDINARY TIME AND WE KNEW
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS IN
THE BEST POSITION TO DELIVER AT
SCALE AND WITH SPEED AND WE HAD
THE BEST BALANCE SHEET.
IT MATTERS TO BE FISCALLY
RESPONSIBLE.
THE ONLY THING TO DO WAS SUPPORT
CANADIANS.
>> Rosemary:  OBVIOUSLY RIGHT
NOW, YOU'RE NOT OVERLY CONCERNED
ABOUT THE DEFICIT OR DEBT
REPAYMENT BECAUSE OF LOW
INTEREST RATES.
WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA, THOUGH,
THAT INTEREST RATES GO BACK UP?
HOW DO YOU PLAN TO DEAL WITH
THAT?
>> YOUR FIRST POINT IS CORRECT.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST COST OF
CARRYING DEBT THAT WE'VE EVER
HAD, SO ACTUALLY, OUR COST OF
CARRYING THE DEBT WILL BE LOWER
THAN EXPECTED A YEAR AGO AND
THAT SAID, WE DO NEED TO THINK
ABOUT THE FUTURE.
WE ARE GOING TO EXTEND THE TEM TERM
OF OUR DEBT, MUCH FOR 30 YEARS.
THIS IS A SHOCK TO OUR SYSTEM
AND WE'RE FOCUSED ON HOW WE CAN
GROW OUR ECONOMY AND CREATE JOBS
AND OPPORTUNITIES AND THAT WILL
BE THE WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS
ENORMOUS CHALLENGE.
>> Rosemary:  I KNOW YOU DON'T
WANT TO TALK RECOVERY TODAY.
THE PRIME MINISTER DIDN'T WANT
TO GET INTO IT EITHER AND I KNOW
YOU WILL HAVE SOMETHING IN THE
FALL.
BUT CAN YOU GIVE CANADIANS A
SENSE OF HOW THE ECONOMY OR
RECOVERY WILL LOOK DIFFERENT
THAN PRE-COVID?
>> WHAT I CAN SAY MOST CLEARLY
IS OUR RECOVERY WILL VERY MUCH
FOLLOW OUR ABILITY TO DEAL WITH
THE HEALTH CHALLENGE WE'RE
FACING.
SO CANADIANS HAVE DONE A GOOD
JOB.
WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER TO FLATTEN
THE CURVE AND WE NEED TO KEEP
THOSE EFFORTS BECAUSE THAT IS
WHAT WILL ENABLE US TO A SAFE
RESTART OF THE ECONOMY.
WE NEED TO DO IT IN STEPS.
RIGHT NOW, IT IS ABOUT THAT SAFE
RESTART AND MAKING SURE WE CAN
GET BACK TO WORK, THAT WE
PROTECT PEOPLE AS WE GET BACK TO
WORK, THAT WE CAN TEST AND TRACE
IF WE HAVE CHALLENGES AS WE GET
BACK TO WORK AND THAT'S WHERE
WE'RE FOCUSED RIGHT NOW.
IN THE FALL, WE HOPE THAT WITH
THAT SUCCESS WE'LL BE ABLE TO
TALK ABOUT A LONGER-TERM
RECOVERY.
>> Rosemary:  JUST A COUPLE OF
SECONDS, MINISTER.
P THERE'IF THERE'S A SECOND WAVE AND
PEOPLE NEED AN EMERGENCY RELIEF
BENEFIT AGAIN, ARE YOU PREPARED
TO DO THAT FOR CANADIANS AGAIN?
>> WE'VE KNOWN THROUGH THIS
CHALLENGING TIME THAT WE NEED TO
SUPPORT PEOPLE.
THERE'S EXTRAORDINARY ISSUES
THAT FAMILIES ARE FACING AND SO
WE WILL CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT
HOW WE MOVE OUR PROGRAMMES IN
ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT WE HOPE IS
A RESTART, BUT WE'LL NEED TO BE
THERE TO SUPPORT CANADIANS IN
THE FACE OF CONTINUING
CHALLENGES, ADAPTING AND BEING
NIMBLE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO
DO THAT AND WE'LL TRY TO DO THAT
IN A VERY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE
WAY TO ENABLE US TO GET TO THE
NEXT STAGE, THE GROWTH PHASE
AFTER.
>> Rosemary:  THANK YOU FOR
MAKING THE TIME TODAY.
>> THANKS SO MUCH.
[ * ]
>> Rosemary:  FOR MORE ON THE
POLITICAL IMPACT OF THE NUMBERS
AND WHAT THE ROAD AHEAD LOOKS
LIKE OR DOESN'T, LET'S BRING IN
"AT ISSUE" FOR A SPECIAL
WEDNESDAY EDITION.
CHANTAL, ANDREW AND ALTHIA ARE
ALL HERE TONIGHT AND CHANTAL,
BIG NUMBERS THAT MIGHT BE
SURPRISING TO SOME CANADIANS.
IS THIS SOMETHING, DO YOU THINK,
THAT I DON'T KNOW, A GOVERNMENT
HAS TO BETTER EXPLAIN TO
CANADIANS AND THAT IT MAKES
SENSE BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC?
>> I THINK MOST CANADIANS WHO
HAVE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THE
NEWS EXPECTED THOSE NUMBERS TO
BE REALLY BIG AND THEY CERTAINLY
LIVED UP TO THEIR ADVANCED
BILLING.
THEY MAY BE HIGHER THAN SOME THE
EXPECTED.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIGGER
THAN BIGGER AND NOTHING IN THE
NORMAL REALM AND I DON'T THINK I
EVER EXPECTED TO BE TALKING
ABOUT ANYTHING RELATED TO A
FEDERAL BUDGET IN ANY WAY, SHAPE
OR FORM THAT HAS NUMBERS LIKE
THAT.
THE REAL UNKNOWN, AND I THINK
THAT'S WHERE THE GOVERNMENT
CANNOT JUST LET THIS SLIP, IS
THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE ALMOST
THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.
THEY DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE'RE HIT HARD,
AS THE U.S. CURRENTLY IS, AND
HOW YOU DIA DEAL WITH A BIG SECOND
WAVE.
>> Rosemary:  THAT MAY BE,
ANDREW, WHY THE FINANCE MINISTER
SAID WE'LL KNOW MORE IN THE
FALL, BECAUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED
ABOUT WHAT RECOVERY MIGHT LOOK
LIKE OR DON'T HAVE A SENSE?
>> I THINK THIS EXPLAINS WHY
THEY'VE BEEN SO RELUCTANT TO
PRODUCE THIS QUOTE, UNQUOTE,
SNAPSHOT UNTIL NOW BECAUSE IT'S
MUCH MORE THAN ANYBODY EXPECTED.
THIS IS THE OPTIMISTIC SCENARIO,
IF WE GET A RECOVERY FROM THE
ECONOMY AND REMEMBER, THIS IS
YEAR ONE.
THEY REFUSE TO TELL US NUMBERS
FOR YEARS TWO, THREE AND FOUR.
I GRANT THERE'S UNCERTAINTY, BUT
I THINK WHAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS
AND WANTS IS SOME SENSE THE
GOVERNMENT IS AWARE OF THE
DIMENSIONS OF THE PROBLEM AND
SECONDLY, WILL LEVEL WITH THE
PUBLIC ABOUT HA, ABOU THAT, THE HARDSHIPS
AHEAD OF US AND THIRDLY, THAT THAT
THEY'RE WILLING TO SPELL OUT A
PLAN.
REMEMBER, IT'S 16% THIS YEAR OF
GDP BUT ON ANY CONSTRUCTION OF
THE NUMBERS, IT'S 5% OR 6% THE
YEAR AFTER THAT AND THE YEAR
AFTER THIS.
WE WILL LIVE WITH 5% OF
PERMANENT GDP OR A LONGER PLAN
TO GET BACK INTO FISCAL SANITY?
>> Rosemary:  ALTH -RBGIA, WHAT DO
YOU THINK?
>> I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC
CARES.
THEY CARE HOW THEY'RE HANDLING
THEIR OWN HOUSEHOLD BUDGETS AND
THE GOVERNMENT'S LINE WE'RE ALL
IN THIS TOGETHER AND THE
GOVERNMENT HAS, BASICALLY, MADE
FISCAL SACRIFICES AND SO
CANADIAN HOUSEHOLDS DID NOT HAVE
TO BEAR THE BRUNT OF THE
CHALLENGE OR DIG INTO THEIR
SAVINGS LESS OR GO INTO DEBT
LESS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WAS WILLING TO ENSURE
THEY WERE SAFE AND MOSTLY KEPT
AT HOME INSTEAD OF GOING INTO
THE WORKSPACE.
AND I THINK, REALLY, THE BEST
THING THAT HAS HAPPENED FOR
JUSTIN TRUDEAU, AND I'M NOT
TAKING ANYTHING FROM WHAT
CHANTAL AND ANDREW HAVE SAID,
BECAUSE I AGREE, THERE'S NO
FUTURE LOOK AHEAD, IS THAT THERE
IS DONALD TRUMP AND CHAOS SOUTH
OF THE BORDER AND THERE IS AN
EXAMPLE OVER THERE ABOUT HOW
THINGS CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE
NO PLAN AND NOTHING SEEMS TO
HAPPEN PROPERLY.
I THINK CANADIANS ARE LOOKING AT
THAT AND THINKING, OK, WELL, YOU
KNOW, THESE ARE BIG NUMBERS THAT
THE GOVERNMENT IS SEEING AT THE
NUMBER, BUT AT LEAST THINGS ARE
NOT AS BAD AS THEY ARE IN THE
UNITED STATES.
>> Rosemary:  CHANTAL?
>> WHILE THE NUMBERS ARE BIG AND
HAVE SCENTSES FOR YEARS TO COME,
I'M NOT TOTALLY CONVINCED IT'S
POSSIBLE FOR A GOVERNMENT TO
COME UP WITH A SERIOUS SOLID
RECOVERY PLAN WITH ALL THAT IS
UNKNOWN AHEAD OF ITSELF.
THIS ISN'T AS IF SOMETHING BIG
HAPPENED AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO
REBUILD.
WE ARE STILL IN THIS PANDEMIC
PROCESS AND I THINK FROM THOSE
NUMBERS, THOUGH, WHAT YOU CAN
SEE IS THAT WE CAN'T OR THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT AFFORD
A SECOND KNOCKDOWN THAT WOULD
HAVE IT SUPPORT CANADIANS IN THE
WAY THAT IT DID OVER THE FIRST
ONE.
>> Rosemary:  YOU KNOW, I TRIED
TO ASK THE PRIME MINISTER TODAY,
ANDREW, WHAT WOULD THE ECONOMY
LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, GOING
FORWARD.
AND THAT'S NOT EVEN SOMETHING
THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY,
BECAUSE THEY WANT PEOPLE TO
STILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE
URGENCY OF THE SITUATION AS
OPPOSED TO THE RECOVERY.
>> AND THEY WANT PEOPLE TO BE
LOOKING AT ALL THE MEASURES THEY
PUT IN PLACE.
MOST OF THIS WAS A RECITATION OF
PAST POLICIES THEY PUT IN PLACE,
WHICH IS FINE.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED AT THIS
POINT IS SOME SENSE OF WHAT IS
THE URGENCY ON THE GOVERNMENT'S
SIDE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IS IT PLANNING TO
ROLL BACK ALL OF THE SHORT-TERM
CRISIS THINGS ALL AT ONCE IN ONE
YEAR?
OR WILL IT LISTEN TO THE COUNCIL
OF PEOPLE WHO SAY, WE NEED
FISCAL STIMULUS ON TOP OF THIS?
WE NEED TO WIND BACK GRADUALLY?
THAT WILL HAVE HUGE IMPLICATIONS
FOR THE DEFICIT AND DEBT NUMBERS
WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD.
THEY SAY, AND THERE'S SOME TRUTH
TO THIS, WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY
ABOUT THIS BECAUSE INTEREST
RATES ARE SO LOW.
BUT A LOT OF THAT IS PREDICATED
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BORROW THIS
ELEMENTARY.
LONG-TEMPLE.
THELONG-TERM.
IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND IT
WILL BE CONCERNING TO SEE WITH
EVERY GOVERNMENT COMING TO THE
WORLD WITH THESE ENORMOUS
DEFICITS WHETHER, IN FACT,
THEY'LL LOAD ALL OF THIS IN THE
LONGER-TERM DEBT MARKETS.
>> Rosemary:  ASM
>> Rosemary:  ALTHIA.
>> WHAT WE GOT AS A SNAPSHOT IN
TIME AND THE FINANCE MINISTER
SAYING THEY WANT TO SPEND A LOT
MORE MONEY.
THEY SAID TAXES WILL NOT
INCREASE AND THAT MINISTER
MORNEAU HAS SPELLED OUT THAT HE
BELIEVES WHAT THE ECONOMY NEEDS
IS EVEN MORE FEDERAL SPENDING
AND HE TALKED ABOUT SICK LEAVE,
CHILDCARE, MORE HELP FOR THE
VULNERABLE AND PEOPLE IN NURSING
HOMES AND OUTLINED AREAS IN
WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
WILLING TO SPEND MORE MONEY,
HELPING MUNICIPALITIES, FOR
EXAMPLE.
BUT TODAY'S SNAPSHOT IS LOVELY,
BUT IT IS NOT AT ALL THE END-ALL
AND BE-ALL WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN
WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION IN
DECEMBER.
THEY CLEARLY HAVE AND ARE
COMMUNICATING AND PLAN TO SPEND
A LOT MORE MONEY.
>> Rosemary:  CAN THEY GROW
THEIR WAY OUT OF WHERE THEY ARE
NOW?
THAT'S THE OTHER THING THE
FINANCE MINISTER SUGGESTED BE,
CHANTAL?
>> WELL, THEY CAN GROW THEIR WAY
OUT OF A FEDERAL ELECTION.
[ Laughter ]
>> IF YOU CALL THIS A LOVELY
SNAPSHOT, THAT'S AN INTERESTING
WAY TO SAY.
IT CAN WE FILE THIS ONE AWAY AND
NOT PUT IT IN THE FAMILY ALBUM.
[ Laughter ]
>> BUT IF THEY WANT TO STAY IN
GOVERNMENT, IF THERE'S A
MINORITY GOVERNMENT, THERE'S
TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SICK
LEAVE, ET CETERA, WILL KEEP THEM
GOING.
IT IS GOING TO GET THEM
RE-ELECTED BETWEEN NOW AND 18
MONTHS RATHER THAN THE SPEECH OF
WE'RE GOING TO COME DOWN ON YOU
WITH MORE TAXES AND CUTS TO
PROGRAMMES TO PEOPLE WHO ARE
ALREADY IMPOVERISHED.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
POLITICS THIS, POSSIBLY, I DON'T
KNOW, BAD POLICY, TOO EARLY TO
TELL AND CERTAINLY GOOD
POLITICS.
>> Rosemary:  I HAVE TO LEAVE IT
THERE.
I'M SORRY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING IN.
I APPRECIATE IT.
BEFORE WE GO, BE SURE TO
DESCRIBSUBSCRIBE TO OUR PODPAST AND
I'LL GIVE ANDREW MORE TIME NEXT
TIME AND THEY'LL ALL BE BACK
WITH THE "AT ISSUE" PANEL
TOMORROW AND WE'LL BE TAKING
YOUR POLITICAL QUESTIONS.
FOR NOW, THOUGH, BACK TO
ADRIENNE IN TORONTO.
>> Adrienne:  THANK YOU, ROSIE.
NEXT ON "THE NATIONAL," WE
ANSWER YOUR PANDEMIC QUESTIONS
AND LOTS OF THEM ABOUT WHAT'S
SAFE TO DO AS THE ECONOMY
REOPENS.
LIKE THIS ONE, HOW RISKY IS IT
TO STAY AT A HOTEL DURING THE
PANDEMIC AND HOW COULD I
MITIGATE THE RISK OF CATCHING
THE VIRUS?
[ * ]
>> Adrienne:  WELCOME BACK.
TIME NOW FOR YOUR COVID-19
QUESTIONS AND WITH ME TONIGHT IS
INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST
DR. SUZY HOTA.
HOW RISKY IS IT TO STAY AT AT A
HOTEL DURING THE PANDEMIC AND
HOW CAN I MINIMIZE THE REFERENCE RISK THE
CATCHING THE VIRUS?
>> ARE THERE TRAVEL RESTRICTS
AND WILL YOU COME ACROSS PEOPLE
FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD?
WHAT'S THE BUILDING LIKE?
IS IT AN OLD HOTEL WITH POOR
VENTILATION SOME THAT'S
ARE THEY SCREENING THEIR STAFF
FOR SYMPTOMS?
DO THEY HAVE GOOD CLEANING?
WHAT'S THE FOOD SERVICE LIKE?
I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CALL
IN ADVANCE TO GET THAT
INFORMATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO
TRAVEL, I WOULD SAY THE BEST WAY
TO REDUCE THE RISK IS WEAR A
MASK ANY TIME YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF
A HOTEL ROOM, DO NOT TAKE ANY
FOOD AND CARRY HAND SANITIZER
WITH YOU.
>> Adrienne:  WHAT DO WE KNOW
ABOUT HOW THE VIRUS IS MUTATING
AS IT SPREADS IN.
>> SO ALL VIRUSES MUTATE, WE
KNOW THAT, AND MOST MUTATIONS
ARE BENIGN.
WHAT WE SEE IS THAT IT'S NOT
MUTATING VERY QUICKLY AND THAT'S
GOOD NEWS FOR VACCINE
DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE WANT THE
VIRUS TO MATCH WHAT WILL BE
CIRCULATING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
BUT THE OTHER THING WE LOOK FOR
IS, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES IN THE
VIRUS THAT MIGHT BE MORE
TRANSMISSIBLE OR MORE SEVERE AND
RIGHT NOW, THE ONE MUTATION THAT
HAS CAUGHT A LOT OF ATTENTION
ARE MORE SPIKES ON THE VIRUS.
AND THOSE SPIKES ARE INVOLVED IN
THE ENTRY OF THE VIRUS INTO YOUR
CELLS.
AND SO THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT
WHETHER THIS MAKES IT MORE
INFECTIOUS.
AND WE'RE JUST WAITING TO GET
MORE INFORMATION AND MORE
STUDIES TO SEE HOW IT ACTUALLY
PANS OUT IN HUMAN BEINGS, NOT
JUST IN A LAB SETTING.
>> Adrienne:  VERY BRIEFLY, TIME
FOR JUST ONE MORE.
AS A FITNESS INSTRUCTOR, I'M
CONCERNED ABOUT GOING BACK TO
TEACH GROUP FITNESS CLASSES AND
WHAT CAN I DO TO MINIMIZE RISK
FOR MYSELF AND MY CLIENTS?
>> IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO
THINK ABOUT ONLINE CLASSES OR
OUTDOOR GROUP CLASSES AND
RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE THERE.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE DOING
FITNESS, YOU CAN'T REALLY WEAR A
MASK WELL AND YOU'RE BREATHING
PRETTY MASTERCARD.
 HARD.
SO THOSE FACTORS ARE IMPORTANT,
SO OUTDOORS, SCREEN YOUR FOLKS
AND WEAR A MASK WOULD BE MY
ADVISE.
>> Adrienne:  SO WE ARE ASKING
YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT COVID-19 AS
OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
SEND QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
MESSAGE US ON INSTAGRAM@CBCTHE
NATIONAL OR COVID@CBC.CA.
>>> A BIG PART IS TELLING THE
STORIES WHO HAVE DIED AND WE
CALLS THIS PROJECT LIVES
REMEMBERED.
TONIGHT, FRANK AND DORIS PEREZ
ARE REMEMBERED BY THEIR SON.
>> ANY NAME IS IAN PEREZ AND I
LOST BOTH MY PARENTS, FRANK AND
DORIS TO COVID-19 IN UNDER A
MONTH.
DORIS WAS 84 AND FRANK JUST
TURNED 86.
MOM AND DAD IMMIGRATED TO CANADA
IN 1972 AND LEFT THEIR THEMES FAMILIES
AND EVERYTHING THEY KNEW IN
INDIA FOR A PROSPEROUS HOME.
MOM AND DAD COMPLETED EACH OTHER
AND LONGED FOR EACH OTHER WHEN
THEY WERE APART AND TOGETHER,
THEY WERE FULL OF LIFE AND LIT
UP THE ROOMS INTO WHICH THEY
WALKED.
MOM HAD A SOUL-WARMING SMILE,
EXTRAORDINARY INNER-STRENGTH TO
PER SER I.SHE TAUGHT US UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
AND LIFE SKILLS.
SHE COMMITTED TO MEMORY ALL OF
THE BIRTHS TO UNCLES AND AUNTS
ALL OVER THE WORLD.
DAD WAS A TALENTED HANDY MAN AND
AVID BODY BUILDER BEFORE COMING
TO CANADA AND HE LOVED HIS
SPORTS, ESPECIALLY HOCKEY AND
CRICKET.
THEY LIVED FOR THEIR WEEKEND
GET-AWAYS FOR THEIR PLACE IN
VERMONT AND ADORED THEIR DOGS
OVER THE YEARS THAT KEPT THEM
CLOSE COMPANY.
TIME SPENT OVER THE YEARS WITH
MOM AND DAD ARE PRECIOUS MOMENTS
IN TIME PERMANENTLY ETCHED IN
OUR MEMORIES.
WE MISS YOU DEARLY, MOM AND DAD,
AND ASK THAT YOU SAVE US A RUM
AND COKE FOR THE NEXT TIME WE
MEET TO PLAY CARDS AND CATCH UP
ON ALL OF THE LATEST JOKES.
WE LOVE YOU.
>> Adrienne:  TWO OF THE MORE
THAN 8700 CANADIANS LOST TO
COVID-19.
WE'VE GATHERED THEIR STORIES
ONLINE.
YOU CAN
>> I'M JOSH BLOCK.
TOMORROW ON CBC'S DAILY NEWS
PODCAST, CHINA'S SWEEPING
NATIONAL SECURITY LAW HAS HONG
KONG PROTESTERS HOLDING BLANK
SIGNS AND ONE PRO-DEMOCRACY
LEADER FLED THE CITY.
>> Adrienne:  EVERY SINCE
COVID-19 BANISHED WORK TO THE
HOME, FEW HAVE BENEFITED MORE
THAN DOGS.
THE 24/7 PROMISEC PROMISE OF LOVE AND
ATTENTION FROM THEIR FAVOURITE
HUMAN NEVER GETS OLD AND WHAT
THOSE HAPPY K-9S CANNOT KNOW IS
THAT IT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO
LAST.
AS WORK LIFE RETURNS TO NORMAL,
DOGS ARE IN FOR A SHOCK.
CHRIS O-NEILL-YATES EXPLORES THE
DO'S AND DON'T'S OF HEADING BACK
TO WORK AND LEAVING FORLORN,
FOUR-LEGGED FRIENDS BEHIND.
>> Reporter:  FOR MONTHS, FIN
ENJOYED HIS OWNER'S UNDIVIDED
ATTENTION, BUT AS OF MONDAY,
GLENN REDMOND WHO IS A DOG
TRAINER IS HEADING BACK TO WORK
AND FIN, WELL, HE'LL BE ON HIS
OWN FOR MOST OF THE DAY.
>> THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I
TRIED TO LEAVE MORE SO HE GETS
USED TO THE FACT HE'S NOT COMING
EVERY TIME.
>> Reporter:  WE'VE ALL HEARD
THE HORROR STORIES, OWNERS WHO
COME HOME TO FIND THEIR HOUSE
DESTROYED.
>> THE FIRST THING IS NOT TO
PUNISH THE DOG BECAUSE THE DOG
LIVES IN A ONE-SECOND WORLD AND
THE DOG IS NOT AT HOME RIPPING
UP THE SOFA THINKING I'LL BE IN
TROUBLE BUT I HAVE TO DO IT.
>> Reporter:  ON MONDAY, REDMOND
SAYS HE'LL LEAVE FOR WORK CALMLY
AND NOT FUSSING OVER FIN.
>> WE RAISE THEIR ENERGY LEVELS
AND LEAVE, WHICH CAN BE PUT INTO
DESTRUCTION ON YOUR COUCH.
>> Reporter:  WHEN HE ARRIVES
HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY,
AGAIN, NO BIG FUSS.
>> BECAUSE THEN, AT LEAST, WE'RE
REWARDING CALMLESS, NOT
EXCITABILITY.
>> OUR HYPOTHESIS DOGS WHO ARE
DISTRESSED BACK TO NORMAL LIFE
ARE THE DOGS WHO ALREADY HAD
PROBLEMS.
>> Reporter:  DR. KAREN OVERALL
IS PART OF A STUDY ON BEHAVIORAL
PROBLEMS DURING THE PANDEMIC.
>> IS HE ALL ON TOP OF YOU AND
LICKING YOU?
IF HE IS, THAT'S NOT A NORMAL
BEHAVIOUR.
>> Reporter:  OWNERS HAVE NO
REASON TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT
GOING BACK TO WORK.
>> SPENDING AS LITTLE AS 15
MINUTES A DAY, JUST QUIETLY WITH
THE DOG, JUST TALKING TO THEM
AND MASSAGING THEM NOT ONLY
DECREASES THE DOG'S STRESS
LEVEL, BUT IT HAS BENEFITS FOR
THE HUMANS.
>> Reporter:  GOOD DOGS BEFORE
THE PANDEMIC WILL BE GOOD DOGS
WHEN THEIR OWNERS RETURN TO WORK
AND FIN WILL ENJOY EVERY MINUTE
OF EXTRA ATTENTION WHILE THEY
CAN.
COLDFRONT 80'SCHRIS O-NEILL-YATES, CBC NEW
S.
>> Adrienne:  AFTER THIS, A
MOMENT ONE MOM WILL ALWAYS
REMEMBER.
>> I CLOSE MY EYES AND I SEE HIM
FLOATING AWAY FROM ME.
>> THESE SMILING FACES TELL A
HAPPY TORE THAT COULD HAVE ENDED
SO DIFFERENTLY.
8-YEAR-OLD FRANKIE WAS SWEPT
DOWN A ROARING RIVER BUT THE
COLOGNE FAMILY WAS THERE JUST IN
TIME.
THE TALE BEHIND THAT RESCUE IS
OUR "MOMENT."
>> I GOT STUCK IN THE CURRENT.
I COULDN'T BREATHE BECAUSE I WAS
GOING UP AND DOWN AND UP AND
DOWN.
>> I SEE HIM FLOATING AWAY FROM
ME, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS REALLY
FAST AND I JUST RAN AND I DIDN'T
KNOW HOW TO GET TO HIM.
>> I SEE A HEAD IN THE WATER!
IT WAS FRANKIE, OF COURSE.
AND DAD, DAD, SOMEONE IS
DRIFTING DOWN IN THE RIVER.
AND HE JUMPED IN.
>> I RAN ALONGSIDE THE ROCKS
HERE, FLIPPED MY PHONE DOWN AND
JUMPED RIGHT IN HERE.
AS I FELT MYSELF GETTING CLOSER
TO HIM, I THOUGHT, YOU'LL GET
HIM.
THE TWO OF US WERE ABOVE WATER
AND I FELT CONFIDENT WE WEREN'T
GOING ANY FURTHER.
>> FRANKIE WAS IN MY ARMS AND I
WAS TRYING TO CALM HIM DOWN TO
CATCH HIS BREATHE AND WE WERE
OK.
>> IT WAS SCARRY AND WE WERE OK
AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.
>> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
A PHYS-ED TEACHER AND THAT
HELPED AND RAPIDS BELOW THAT AND
THAT IS WEDNESDAYANDTHAT IS AMAZING.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR
JULY 8th.
