hi this dave bartosiewicz with Have You
experienced Jesus you know this is going
to be a really like a show of shows I'm
i'm very interested in showing this to
the public to to the world and and have
them think could there have been a
possibility that Joseph Smith now we
know that the LDS church recently came
out with and the changing their manuals
as well to a lot of people to to know
that Justin Smith use a seer stone to
translate supposedly the the book of
mormon the golden plates with a seer
stone putting his face in a hat and
conjuring up words and there was light
we know that because emma smith said it
Oliver Kadri said it
David Whitmer said it as well as Martin
his Martin Harris they're all scribes so
when Joseph Smith actually saw these
words from the seer stone and i'm
showing it right now that he would ask
the scribes those who would be riding
you said is a written and they said yes
and then no more words would come from
the seer stone the question I have is
this was Joseph Smith more of a medium a
spiritualist and son in a sense being
able to have this divine source if it
was under of the underground a world of
spirits or whatever giving him this
information or was it really of God so I
want to actually meet with the owner
here i'm at prices rock shop here and
i'm going to ask him these questions
should be a great show
I'm sure you're going to be interesting
what's going on thanks for specially
with all the new things that have come
up recently about the LDS Church stating
that Joseph Smith did use a seer stone
that he put in a hat and he actually saw
words within the seer stone that he used
and right now i'm showing that to you so
you could see the seer stone he used
I've decided actually to come to meet
with dave was actually the owner of
Bryson's rock shop here
in ogden utah so if anybody anybody who
is interested in wanting to visit dave
you could come up 2 326 washington
boulevard and actually see his location
it's a it's a mass with many many rocks
many different forms of rocks but I
thought it would be interesting to
interview him to ask him questions about
why Joseph Smith used to see your stone
and if stones can actually bring in sort
of spiritual divine inspiration that
might lead people to to come up with
inspiration from the underground the
spirit world or whatever it may be but I
wanted to ask dave so Dave thanks so
much for allowing us to come here and as
you can see we have stones here you can
see their stones there's egg likes
shaped stones and Dave knows a lot about
stones so the question I have to ask you
dave is do you believe that stones have
the ability especially if somebody is
like a medium to use to to bring divine
information right from the underworld
yes yes i do believe that explain you
have a lot of knowledge about what i
believe it's just all vibrational
everything's just made of atoms and so
basically we're all made up of just you
know virtually nothing so it's all a
really magical world anyway so I just
believe that we're picking up on the
vibrations of the stones it on a
molecular level
so do you believe that there are spirits
that can actually you know giving
insight information information to let's
say a person yes I using short own sure
I believe there's other dimensions and
that you could tap into the dimensions
using stones
ok so I believe that yeah I believe
that's a possible you know what kind of
stones do you think that you know of
that you have had experience with that
people do use in regards to bring up the
divine maybe using a stone to to help
get more inside of the underworld
well courts court to be the first thing
that comes to mind obsidians another one
ok but the end that's the courses that
courts can be used to do anything so I
mean it's programmable is just like a
computer so you can put program your
thoughts into the quartz crystal and
then if you have you know divine love
and in mind it'll give back whatever
whatever it is that you're asking
ok so you live here you're not you're
not LDS right you're getting more no I'm
not okay so you've heard the story about
Joseph Smith who actually put a seer
stone into his hat what are your
feelings regarding that
do you think he received some sort of
inspiration to do the book of mormon
from stone
well I just think everything's connected
and he was just able to connect using it
I mean I just yeah i did it's just the
connection thing and he just found a way
to connect ok alright good and so do you
think that you're saying that it's
possible he could have been a medium in
a sense
absolutely i mean i absolutely that's
what I would be and that's what I would
tell you would think the vets that's it
inside that maybe a lot of people who
might never have thought about this
could have you know now that everybody
has these abilities it's just they're
not really you know they're taking away
from early on and they don't so they
don't really you know go you know they
don't really feed it so you know I think
everybody really can connect just like
you have this maybe ability the power to
go yeah if they just believed in it if
they believed in themselves and nimble
and trio
yeah absolutely i had an actual
experience i was in Sedona and sedona is
a big place with energies vortex and all
that stuff and I did go to a rock place
and then the person did share with me
that there are rocks that you could you
could work and be a have a tool the
sense of of going deeper into this this
sort of channeling a medium experience
with the underground and she actually
open up a book and showed me that this
particular rock that we were using and
and looking at did in fact do that for
people that you know you could have this
channeling so I was really really
surprised when I found that that's why I
wanted to do
to come to you and sort of validated and
saying if it's possible I believe
absolutely yes I mean I haven't had that
experience but yes I believe it to be so
alright well you heard it right here and
we're going to show people around a
little bit we're not people were going
to show that store and show what dave
has here so if anybody's interested in
wanting to stop by and pick up some
rocks and maybe try it for yourself
alright as you can see i'm here in ogden
e I just visited with David at prices
rock shop but I wanted to show you a
little glimpse of this often temple and
you can see behind me there's the ogden
temple you know it's really kind of
interesting because with mediums and
with spiritualists they actually work
with who they work with the dead now if
you're looking at Mormonism one of the
things that they actually do they work
in this temple baptizing mostly
baptizing people spirits who have died
right and they believed by doing these
rituals of baptisms as well as marriages
of people who have died that they can go
to heaven so in essence it's kind of
interesting when you think about it the
mormon temple is doing work for the dead
that's really interesting i just wanted
to give you that understanding now
another thing I wanted to give you some
insight on that I've learned just
recently by actually Mike who's from
Kansas City Mike thanks for this insight
I'm doing something that I want to bring
some awareness to i don't know if you
know if you ever heard of this
individual named johannes grabber now
johanna scrubber was an x catholic
priests and he left Catholicism and
actually he became a writer but he
worked with with spiritual matters that
he created a book called communication
with the spirit world let me give this
to you right now that's his cover
now one of the things I want to talk to
you about this individual is he also
worked with the Jehovah Witnesses and
they believed that he had the ability to
translate the new world translation
which part of his translation that he
received from the spirit world was
actually given
to Jehovah Witnesses on their Bible that
they use the New World Translation now
one of the things i do want to talk
about within this he mentioned quite a
few things you mentioned how he was able
to receive this translation and in this
translation what he declared was this he
said that he received the translation
and how it was done in the New Testament
he says prayers that were answered and
discrepancies clarified to him by God
spirit world
at times he was given the correct
answers in large illuminated letters and
words passing before his eyes now gives
you that gives you a pretty good
understanding right right there do you
see a similarity and a relationship with
Joseph Smith because Joseph Smith
actually believe what the people that
were with Joseph Smith they said that
that he was able to look into the stone
right and large illuminated letters and
words were passing before his eyes the
same way that Johannes grubber received
the same thing now I want to make sure
that that you know to be fair with
jehovah witnesses in 1978-79 they
realize what
johannes was doing and they ended their
relationship with him
they ended many things because they they
realize that what he was doing was wrong
and so they stopped using most of his
translation
however however they still have in their
translation in the New World Translation
one of his things that he actually
received and it was in John 11 and it
say that in the beginning was the word
the Word was with God and the Word was a
God so they still use that that's that
was part of his translation now i want
to give you a little insight of Joseph
Smith's translation because Joseph Smith
also he translated write the Bible and
the New Testament John one is very
interesting thing for Christians because
it clearly shows us that jesus is our
god right in the beginning was the word
and the Word was with God and the Word
was God
this is Joseph Smith's translation
that's Joseph Smith's translation in
John 11 he says in the beginning was the
gospel preach through the Sun and the
gospel was the word and the Word was
with the Sun and the Sun was with God
and the Sun was of God basically what he
was trying to do was to minimize right
Jesus diminish him as being God so we
have to ask ourselves you know this is
how Joseph Smith received right through
a serious tone and he would use this
power you have to question yourself was
Joseph Smith really of God doing this
because we now know right with the
Pirates 66 we have archaeological
evidence now to prove John 11 is valid
is papyrus 66 look it up
it was actually found in 200 AD and it's
exactly the exact same John 11 that's in
our Bible today right
we know that but Joseph Smith changed it
so we have to ask yourself why would he
do this this this is an interesting idea
now I want to bring this idea up because
i think i really believe it's very
important for you as a viewer to
understand was Joseph Smith all that he
received we know the Book of Abraham
right that he said that was translated
correctly that he used you know his
ability to to translate the book of
abraham that after we saw that what he
saw these these images he said he
translated this Egyptian images that
after the fact it was not what he
translated correctly it was it was
different of what he actually stated
that was because now many years later we
have Egyptian Egyptian translators to
know what the truth is it has nothing to
do with the Book of Abraham you gotta
test it out yourself
so one of the things i do want to share
with you
is Leviticus 19 31 States this God
reveals something because it's really
important for us right as as believers
not to be sweet we have to test the
spirits all the time but God does says
this he says do not turn two mediums or
seek out spiritus for you will be
defiled by them i am the lord your god
that's a pretty and he says that many
many times throughout the Old Testament
we're not supposed to be a part of
mediums or spirituals you will be
defiled by them
I always wondered you know there are
many Mormons who claim that they
received this spiritual awakening by
praying about this book of mormon if I
just want to put in your brains and your
thoughts if Joseph Smith actually was
used as a medium to bring for this book
of mormon and i'm not saying that every
single thing that he did that he wrote
in the book of mormon was of the
underground right was of another source
because i dunno and there's a lot of
historical people who are who are part
of you know understanding the Mormon
faith who really know that he also use
similar similar relationships within his
own period of time and they see a lot of
relationships with that in the book of
mormon but the question that I have to
rise business
if you believe that Joseph Smith really
was a medium and he came up with the
book of mormon by another power God says
that we can be defiled by this familiar
spirit so the question have to think are
all those people who believe that this
book of Mormon is true you got to say is
a god or is it up another spirit working
with them that's a key thing to think
about
test it yourself see if what i'm saying
is wrong and put if i'm declaring
something that's not right you know i
will say stand out here i'm wrong but I
think it's important to think about what
i'm saying i really do because it's
important for your eternity
and who you serve now I just want to let
you know we've been doing these shows
this rock show
now I know and I stand on the rock of my
salvation which is Jesus Christ he is a
rock and I hope and pray that if this is
something that you have received and God
has revealed that maybe Joseph Smith was
not a prophet in the way that you think
he was but he could have conjured this
stuff up from another source we are here
for us Christians we love you we know
that you are in a position that maybe if
you been duped you know you got the
question that yourself and ask that but
we are here is a Christian body we love
Mormons we really want you two to stand
on the rock of Jesus Christ who loves
you he is your stone he is the one who
is a cornerstone of your faith and our
faith and we love him so much and I just
wanted to clear that to you but i did
this show for a reason to let you know
that jesus is the answer instead of
having a golden angel up there instead
of going to a temple made with hands
instead of going at a temple that is
actually baptizing people for the dead
go with Jesus that he is the one that
will change your life
I i know that because he has changed my
life
thanks for watching i love you guys god
bless you and i hope you enjoyed the
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