What we are going to talk about here is,
I'm totally speculating, so
you are absolutely right
to ask me what are going to be
the steps towards network society.
Please don't ask what are going to be
the steps towards this because one,
I don't know and even if I
did, it would take a long time.
There would be a lot of steps.
[inaudible]
now also,
this is going to be controversial
support for some of you and caveat.
I am somewhat, uh,
open minded about my own
conclusions and I, and I,
I am still, um,
straining against the
boundaries that I think, uh,
we out to accept.
And this out from a philosophical
point of view is always,
always dangerous because it
represents a moral factor,
an agent, uh, vector.
Um,
but still I wanted to to
see how this is gonna go.
[inaudible]
originally I thought they would start
with definitions first in an application
second, but the slides are
now in a different borders.
So I will just talk about concepts and
then apply them and then tried to put the
entire thing together.
We'll see how it goes.
So, um,
we live in a very, very
interesting universe, um,
for many reasons. And we definitely, uh,
are starting to realize that anytime
we think we understand what's going on,
we, we thought it's just an
illusion or many things to discover.
And there is actually
mathematical proof of this, uh,
uh, good though in the 30s,
uh, actually sooner than that,
whenever it was, um, it was, uh,
Hilgert organize the conference at the
beginning of the 20th century enlisted
pen problems and he said, okay,
once these 10 problems are sold
mathematics system and we can all go home.
And uh,
and one of the problems led one of the
participants in the conference corps to
go to though, uh, to, to,
to think and come up with
his incompleteness Theorem,
which not only, uh,
solved one of the 10
problems in Hilbert's list,
but actually made this whole proposition
impossible and ridiculous go.
They'll say incompleteness theorem
basically says that any construct,
uh,
allows strange enemies in side that can
have the answer within those constructs.
Statements that are undecidable and
then you as a mathematician are actually
free to choose either. Yes.
I assume that to be true or equally you
are in your own right to say I assumed
that to be false and one of
the two becomes the axiom
of an extended theory that
is the building block
of your next extension.
And
it is amazing how it has always been
true through hundreds and thousands of
years, whatever crazy idea
mathematicians would come up.
But with normal methods or more modern
methods of it's extending your theories
about the uh, about the mathematical,
about mathematical objects,
those theories and those objects
with time, sooner or later,
some equivalent in the universe.
And
we don't quite understand how that is
one philosophical argument about it.
It's called the unprofitable principle,
which to make it very simple says if
this universe was not conducive to human
life and human life requires action,
requires explanation, requires
understanding of phenomenon.
A because if there were cows,
there wouldn't be evolution,
there wouldn't be directed.
Change of structure isn't necessarily
like the one we are living in.
The fact that the ease explained about
the fact that the can be understood there
couldn't be any way otherwise.
So it is a selection mechanism
amongst all of the possible universes.
Some of them are crazy, uh,
and we would just not
exist in them and we don't,
we exist in any universe that without
meeting your reason can be explained.
And so the past 13 billion years did
universe has been doing its thing and we
are now here and we are not our brains.
We are able to look around and
try to explain the universe.
And at the same time we recognize our
brains as one of the most complex objects
in, in the known universe.
There is a hierarchy of complexity
that we can actually see.
And when Ray Kurtz buy books
about exponentials and droves,
those curves, uh,
whether they apply to cheap
transies stow density or,
uh, data communications,
eads or any other of the really large
number of parameters that he's tracking,
he's also saying,
and very few people realize that I think
these not dependency that was just born
a hundred years ago or 500 years ago or
even 10,000 years ago with technological
civilization is a tendency that you can
recognize and plot backwards forever.
The rate of Eh complexity has been
aggregating in the universe exponentially
since the big banger. Um,
it is also the case that
if someone was very smart,
let's assume that the hypothetical
future intelligent being, uh,
is, is such
after being born and just glancing
around would be able to be arrive very
rapidly. I don't know,
let's say in a handful of seconds
or microseconds makes no difference.
Almost everything we know
about a universe in particular.
One thing is remarkable.
It wouldn't be possible to live in the
universe as a human being after a billion
years of the big bang
because the heavy elements that constitute
us would not have been synthesized at
the time yet only after a certain thing,
generation of thoughts had been born and,
and die then re aggregated to form new
stars to gain and then planets around
those thoughts that contain the
fms, that constantly to our bodies.
Each you wake up as a human,
you see, oh, carbon, all right,
we are about 10 billion years after these
universal was born and there are a lot
of things that you can then use.
Just read the power of your
complex rather remarkable brain.
The brain has also just
dizzy the universe,
certain thing, characteristics.
The brain has a structures,
has a sub units and we are trying to
understand the brain better and better.
Actually a friend of mine, um, is, is,
is trying to understand it better enough
in order to be able and Becky up and
then eventually instantiated, uh,
in other eh, substrates
[inaudible]
or
so, uh, his name is Rondo Conan.
His rap site is, it's called
the carbon copies of orgy.
And the movement is called
substrate independent minds.
Your assumption is that yes,
we have seen and we are seeing the first
example of what happens when matter
starts to think.
And that is a phenomenon
expressed by our brains.
But just as we recognize the
unity of phenomena like waves,
and it doesn't matter
whether it is the ocean wave,
a light wave or caustic wave,
and there are many other kinds,
uh, patterns and sounds
and harmonies and beauty.
Can it be expressed
regardless of the media.
So the hypothesis here is that it
is indeed possible to replicate
everything we do in things that are, uh,
different from what, what brains are.
There are other things that are
characteristics of our brains on,
on yawned, the thinking
[inaudible]
we have for example,
it brain waves that we
don't fully understand yet,
but we do think that they help
make our brain here the health,
maintaining a unity. They may,
they how making sure that a given part
of the brain doesn't go in a way in
another part of the brain
doesn't go another way. Another,
um, characteristic teacher
of our brain is its size.
We always depict future beings, uh,
with you chats and future mothers
and really need huge helices today.
The birth Kennel is the limiting factor
in the size of the human brain as well
as neurogenesis.
The possibility of growing your brain
after you are born or our endurance as
pets there hold on. Our kids,
10 years, 20 years, 30 years,
40 years. We don't know what
is the outer limit of parental,
uh, maintaining of, of, of
those, uh, care relationships.
And we have a name for
what happens and we know,
we don't know, uh, the, the, the, the
causes that are, they are genetic,
environmental, all of them together.
Behavioral they are, these
are extremely complex.
Um, eh, pattern solve
maladaptive behavior. Uh,
but we attribute it also to amount of
functioning brain that is not here.
It allows identity to fragment. Um,
we give them various names, a paranoia,
a multiple personality
disorder, whatever it is. Uh,
the person is enabled to
maintain a coherent agency,
um, that society and
other people recognize.
Yeah,
we love computers
and we are using the computer metaphor
to explain a lot what we think we
understand about the
brain just as other areas.
Other people used, other metaphors.
That clock was a metaphor for the motion
of the planets that we love computers
so much that we are trying to apply the
way they work. Too many, many things.
Yes.
And as we understand the way we
build computers and, and the,
their functioning, we are
projecting them to two streets.
What would happen if
we could increase, uh,
computational power?
We can be all of the computers that are
made of smaller and smaller transistors.
And then we realize, okay, there is a, uh,
resistance and at certain sizes,
resistance stops working the way it used
to work at quantum phenomenon takeover
and your semiconductors don't a
guide and electronics anymore.
They jump all around. And what used to
be an acceptable level of, uh, noise,
we didn't, you know, circuits becomes
completely unmanageable. And He,
our com according to some, uh,
Jordy rose or ready to be
able to, to quantum computer,
including came very proud of it.
Google public papers that say neighbor
unable to eat the quantum computer,
however they try to be
there. Uh, classical, uh,
attacks are classical
approaches. And, and,
and at singularity university
on the NASA campus,
we have a DVA quantum computer
and one of our alumni has been,
um, hired by NASA through to marketing.
And quantum computers are exactly
the answer to this problem.
What happens when we shrink circuits
so small that we are enabled to pretend
that that quantum phenomenon don't
exist. They actually take over. Well,
rather than treating that as a problem,
we treat it as an opportunity and we'd
be able to an entire new architecture
around them. Um, it is by the way,
um,
astounding that if so much.
And that is what I started with
around us is thanks to mathematics,
uh, point that is that I
mentioned previously, uh,
is a fundamental mathematical invention.
The blockchain and, and
software is evolving even faster than,
than hardware thanks to mathematics.
Sorting Algorithms have
evolved in the past 30 years,
so much that Jordie the
founder of the wave, uh,
says he rodder applied a sorting
algorithm from today to an echo.
Two from 1979 did not use,
uh, the sorting algorithm from those
years on the supercomputers of today.
He would be more effective. And
it's, it's really, really amazing.
And actually software is
now gaining factor in the
adoption and a diffusion of a
lot of a lot of things, including
quantum computers themselves.
We arraigned can go. Our Algorithms
for quantum computers is a huge task.
So as we progress with
these practical things,
people here ethically run
ahead and they say, okay,
forget about trying to actually do it.
If we assume that we are capital
of just going all the way,
where do we get up?
Doesn't matter wherever we end up end
up at a given number of computations per
second. But definition
that is our definition.
Computronium is the state of
matter that maximizes computation.
If the just cannot get
better, we don't know how,
we don't know when that is its name.
What it means is that if
you wanted to compute more,
the only way you can compute more
is adding additional computronium.
If you have a
a gallon of computronium
[inaudible] computes twice
as much you need to got on a
separate computer. Ah, there's no
other way that is the definition.
So what do you do with computronium? Oh,
certainly fabulous
things. Whatever they are.
Uh,
probably more interesting question
is even our premise that substrate
independent minds are possible is what
does computronium wants to do with
itself? What does conflict
terranium Wyatt and the,
once again, this is a theoretical object.
The answer to that question is, oh,
the thing that wants done something
that is made of computronium,
it's called a Jupiter brain. Why?
Because it's a fancy name. And
because when you think about it,
wow,
a Jupiter sized computronium object must
be just imagine the things that you can
do. It's gone. And what happens? And,
uh, there are other names as
well. It doesn't matter. Eh,
what is important is that her definition,
Jupiter veins wants something in
what you put their brains want,
their brains get.
And the only way they can get what they
want these by turning something that is
not computronium into computronium,
they are hungry and the eat planets,
however we can try and model what
did you pick their brains are like.
And it used to be when Einstein formulated
the general theory of relativity,
which was, uh,
unexpected. The special theory
of relativity was in the cards.
It needed a physical interpretation, um,
slowing down of fine the formation
or the shortening of distances,
et Cetera, et cetera. Um,
the, uh, increase of mass.
Each of these, as you
approximate speed of life.
And all of this has been
experimentally observed,
but already decades before
Maxwell's equations,
the called Lawrence Transformations
basically. Like it's there,
they were mathematical things and
people didn't know what to do with them.
And then saying came and
gave them physical meeting,
but he was very, very good.
And rather than stopping there, uh,
he did other things as well that he
was trying to be three at the time.
And, and uh, in a years time he,
uh,
published a series of papers and other
one that won him the Nobel Prize,
uh, about the, uh, quantum
electric effect, uh, and,
and then formulated a
general theory of relativity,
which is mathematically much more
complex, is much more difficult.
You arrive at physical object out of it.
And one of the physical objects that was
the ride from it pretty soon is a black
hole. And then for
several years people were,
they didn't know what to do with
black holes really. And still,
people don't really know what
to do with black holes. Um,
including some people wanting to start
the large hadron collider in Geneva
because they are afraid that black
hole evaporation rates would be
miscalculated.
Miniature black holes are leaved to, uh,
through quantum effects evaporate very
rapidly. So physicists are saying,
ah, no, the problem on other I
saying, hey listen, you are not sure,
let's not go there because of
black hole could eat the planet.
And, and very soon people
started to think, okay,
that course when for example, they rotate.
How is gravity this [inaudible]
externally, internally,
what happens with them is
the so-called Evan Horizon,
which is invisible, very
dangerous. If there's any cross it,
that's a one way street cannot get out,
if not in the form of a
black hole ready ancient,
which would do you no good, Eh,
and people model what is the internal
structure of these really weird options.
So we can try to do the same with their
brains native country computronium and
we can try to understand,
okay, how are they?
Like what do they do? How do they think?
And
it is conceivable that just as human
brains today have characteristic ways of
how then a coheir [inaudible] sleep
waves help come petroleum European-based,
their brains to hear as well.
And
there is as a consequence,
a size limit to dripping their brains.
Think about it, well it's
not about the birth canal,
but it's about the maximum
speed of propagation of signals.
What is this?
Maximum speed of propagation of signals
as we understand it in our physical
universe is the speed of life. Uh,
in order to transfer useful information
from one part of the physical universe
to another part of the
same physical universe,
you are not supposed to be
to exceed the speed of light.
So think about the droopy, their
brain that wants to do things.
And the only way according to
our definitions that it can,
wants to do more things
is by increasing in size.
So I haven't calculated it,
but there is a maximum size for the
Jupiter brain to want one thing and then
eats and other piece of celery.
And Lo and behold,
the two sides of their rain
stopped. One thing, the same thing.
One size wants one thing and the
other side wants another thing.
And then the only thing it can do is split
because the side that wants one thing
will eat another piece of celery and, and,
and the other side will
eat the platter. And,
and the celery is on the left. The
planet is on the SA and on the ride.
And they will,
they will tear apart and we will have
to drink their brains very happy because
each of them can do their thing and they
don't need to argue and they don't need
to synchronize. And through these hogging,
they can keep doing whatever they do.
If you eliminate the
speed of light constraint
and there is no size limit
anymore on Jupiter brains,
their brains can grow any size.
Okay.
And they can eat everything.
By the way, just a, a
legal remark. Jupiter,
our brains are three dimensional on
fractals so that they are critical density
at no arbitrarily large or
small radius exceeds that,
that would end up forming
the black hole. Okay.
So they are then Citi
is, uh, express, uh, in,
in a fractal. Uh, number and uh, Eh,
that Eh eliminates the issue of okay,
you've the rains close themselves
off from the university because they
unavoidably turn [inaudible]
turn themselves into black
holes or rather stupid.
Their brains do that as far as one's gone.
So the smart cubit their reigns in a
universe that has no link in the speed of
light, eat everything.
What did these like to live
in a universe where cupid,
their brain ate everything.
Nick Bostrom who's a philosopher,
uh, [inaudible]
formulated what is mistakenly,
uh,
believed to say that
we are in a simulation.
The simulation argument,
it doesn't say that the
simulation argument formulated
by Nick Bostrom says that
there are three statements and
one of these three must be true.
One of these statements is that, uh,
humanity is going to be soon extinct.
The second is that humanity will not
conduct large pf simulations even if you
keep existing.
And the third is that we
are living in a simulation.
Um,
so let's look at these three one by one.
The
possibility that humanity goes extinct
can be attributed to internal causes or
external causes.
Both of them depends on how smart we are
and how fast we can become smarter in
order to meet and solve the challenges
that come at us at either a recognizable
speed, for example,
our ecological depletion of
the planet or unexpectedly.
Like when on the news you see an asteroid
having passed earth being announced,
which is due to the fact that not even
NASA sees them because they typically,
when they are fast accelerated by the
solar gravity come towards us from the sun
to be out blind.
That that is why it is so important and
so markedly negligent that we don't put
a space telescopes in
orbits where they are,
where the earth is not really respect
to the sun because we need to map these
coming. Otherwise it will be always
too late to make good or too laid back.
As far as, um,
not doing the large scale
simulations in an arbitrary,
distant future, even if we
ended up surviving forever.
Well, yeah,
we already love,
uh,
simulated words.
Yeah.
Whether they are novels that we read,
whether they are movies we
go at, whether it be, uh,
go and play video games,
whether it is a virtual
reality with goggles,
uh, it is going to get
better and better and better.
And the that we stop wanting
to do them is minimal.
Eh, I don't see why we would ever stop.
So as we get better and better and better,
we will do more. And more and more.
The third argument is
what I am concerned about
and it is that we are in a universe where
faster than light travel is possible.
The Jupiter brain's made possible
by the set arbitrary size eight,
everything. 13 billion years was enough.
And we are inside the Jupiter brain being
simulated by a lot of fun for me and
for us. So the question is,
can these be, um, is this
a scientific question?
Wow.
And what is the moral
vactor of the question?
So
science itself evolves.
We get better and better in understanding
what science is and how we do it.
Uh, and it's called epis technology.
It's the science of science and,
and a lot of things that at first
hand wouldn't look very scientific,
turned out to be the case.
Cosmology for example,
is this crazy? How can you do an
experiment? You know, universe,
you have one, you can have play around
with it. You cannot put it in a jar.
But we are sparked enough to formulate
theories that can be falsified through
observations, which is the
very definition of science.
Even if these observations, uh,
are giving us information about large
scale structures of the universe,
SRA is the moral vector of
the question is concern.
I am of two minds like a two large
Jupiter vein living in a universe that has
the maximum speed of light
because on one hand I have uh,
an atavistic chauvinistic attachment, uh,
to a potentially false
believe that real is better.
On the other hand,
when my friend Randall is going
to get what he's about to do,
right.
I will be thrilled because I want to go
to space in my unique body is totally
bad at that and the support structures
to allow me to go into space.
We'll never allow me to do
the things I would love to do.
The way I know I want to go
to space is being reassessed.
She ate it in nanoscopic probes that are
accelerated by laser beams at the speed
of approximating that of light by the
billions and then communicating with each
other at the necessarily
be fused consciousness that
can synchronize itself in a
manner that is very different
than the few leaders.
So of of train I possess now and dying
by the billions just by hitting against
planets and whatever else.
And then I want to be able to claim that
that kind of existence is not inferior.
Uh, the two, the one that I'm having now,
even if a lot of people would say, Oh,
you are just set up a
figment of imagination,
it's not true that the
David exists right there.
Fan To me, uh, was any Italian physicist,
um, together with,
for noma was a Hungarian physicist with
Leo [inaudible] who was an underlayer
Hungarian physicist with, uh,
Edward Keller was another
Hungarian physicist.
So much so that there was Oppenheimer
and Fermi that, that that said, okay,
oral are all our security problems
because this was the Manhattan project for
the atomic bomb.
All our security problems would be solved
if only we would get out of the room.
And the Hungarians could
do it all by themselves.
Um, well
for me and the other is we're out in the
New Mexico desert and they looked up at
the sky and they said, and I quote,
where the fuck is everybody post quote?
And it is now formulated differently
and it's called the fair made paradox.
And, and by the way, at the time you
had phones did not exist. You know,
it's in the newspapers.
You did not read every day.
Oh my God, a new UFO.
But yeah,
the following is true
if even if faster than light
travel is not possible.
As soon as we learn how to do slow ships,
which are starships, uh,
that are generation after
generation colonies that pay
10,000 years to reach the
next star and then they take 10,000
years to build the next ship to reach the
other star in a million years,
we will conquer the entire,
uh, Milky Way Galaxy.
And some of you might know that DARPA, uh,
instituted a new program
called 100 year starship,
just not about buildings, this thing,
because we don't know how
from an engineering point
of view and even a pony ship
that, uh, would bring, I don't know,
a dozen people to the next star would
require a yearly energy budget that
exceeds, uh, that are,
that produced by the entire
planet White's utilization.
But this project is designed to be the
organization that is capable of thinking
beyond the single administration for
four years and then dismantling whatever
the previous one decided, but
can go ahead, plan, implement,
launch, and manage a a star ship
mission that lasts for centuries.
Just as a repeat assessors were capable
of doing with the cathedrals where
things were built
generation after generation,
but they had god looking over
them and keeping them, you know,
uh, doing it.
And this godless society cannot
force itself to be as relentless,
simply treat their greens.
Um, so walk
we would do in this galaxy
in a mere million years.
And if somebody had a kind of scoping on
Ramadan and turned it around and looked
at at the Milky Way,
and Brahmadeya is the closest galaxy
to us at 2 million light years away.
He turned it around, looked at us,
and they would go like, my God,
what happened in Milky Way? Just
blossom. Something is going on there.
We don't know why.
It's amazing the things we will do to
the galaxy who then bad doesn't matter,
are nowhere to be seen in the
universe. So it's not only that,
um, [inaudible],
um, weekly news report with
a bat boy or whatever it is,
uh, is, you know, there are
no second secondary sources.
It's not only that we haven't provably
seen aliens according to scientific
methods,
but we have more and more
questions about why we don't see equal,
uh,
200 light years radius than
things about 5,000 stars.
And the electric mat at Rom
magnetic and mission of earth today,
okay,
is such that you would be able to observe
that mission around of those thoughts.
And we are not seeing that.
And this radios increases every year,
which the sensitivity of our assessments
and there is a building sense of panic.
I've been churning set
yet whole numbers for
I think 20 years. I, I haven't looked,
but for 20 years I was there
waiting for the wow signal,
uh, to be discovered either by
me or by my fellow fanatics, uh,
throwing more and more
computation against the problem.
Nothing total silence. So
our universe
evolves. [inaudible]
and he produced says more and
more levels of complexity.
And it could be,
yeah,
it is our responsibility to the choices
that we make in our mathematical
constructions that create
paths of exploration that
don't necessarily ranch over
to a parallel decision tree that we have
not taken to create a universe that has
never been seen before.
And that unique universe.
He gives us a responsibility.
It goes far beyond what even the most
fanatical ecologists has believed humanity
has.
And that cosmology that gives this a
responsibility to the choices that you and
you and you and all of us make
day after day is a moral factor.
Yeah. Uh, I believe it's quite astounding.
Thank you.
[inaudible]
uh, yes, Alex. [inaudible].
Okay. Um, so, um,
you had a question twice about two group
rates. So, uh, my question is this,
if you have two per band universe
travel and breaks off, what's the
most rational thing that you could
possibly focus and the
cycle of the, so, uh, yes,
there will be wars among people of
rights and since wars evolving society,
you'd be their brains. We'll
collaborate their brains,
we'll have peace treaties, Jupiter,
their brains will have, uh, uh,
reservations.
We are matter is set aside and not eaten
in one of the answers to the term e
paradox, it's that we could
live in such a reservation.
Um, you had a remark that it
was a oh was a couple one.
Yes.
So there's a, there's a condom
series. It's called the silver surfer.
And if there was an entity,
which essentially with this,
this machine,
the size of a planet that escaped the
big crumbs from the last universe.
And I have these meetings that it sets
out and all it does is eat the bio mass
of entire [inaudible].
I will check it out.
[inaudible] in the marvel universe,
they have comics where they decide
where they decide to fight the flaccus.
It's the entirety of every
superhero in existence.
The DARPA DARPA 100 challenge.
Basically
the premise was that the milky way galaxy
was propagated out by all governments
and the bureaucracy was stagnating
the entire years accountancy record.
So when they discovered the eve wormhole,
that was the universe that you're tired,
you're getting to send it to because
people like the are under planning how to
[inaudible] Milky Way Galaxy.
And then the other observation was
there's a TV series that show that just
ended.
But the green lantern came out with
the last four episodes were about that
deeper intelligence that go into
a parallel universe by acid.
And there's this,
there's this intelligence that means
every single planet in the universe,
except for one that accidentally to the
[inaudible] wasn't I? I
became, let's hear it.
Let's hear a few more questions.
There's an interesting application
of copy thrown people black, both that,
that is in fact a potential app state
for any intelligent civilization.
They make it that point.
That's where all the,
that's where all the aliens
are. They have you said,
dropped out of office in the Spanish
time. Um, I been coming willfully black
[inaudible] tangled
communications, Soho space.
So space time is not really a
consideration, but it's not a limitation.
So that's another way of looking at it.
Yes. So, so his remark was that
one of the theories is that,
uh, the end state of all successful
alien civilizations is to form,
uh, the rains that, uh,
decide to become black calls because they
are actually capable of instantiating.
Uh, uh, in pain or communications
between various black holes,
that's the most efficient use of energy.
Um, there is a, there is a very,
very interesting thing about, uh,
black holes and in the how black
holes relate to universal Darwinism.
Uh, Lee Smalling who is a,
a contemporary physicist, uh,
one day sat down and said, and
in paper, in hand, maybe pen, so,
uh, can I construct the
universe by just changing?
It's their amateurs that creates more
black holes than not what we think the
current university's capital
of creating wherever they are.
And however he played around with
the various parameters that he could,
there's no way that he could do that.
And the observation that he ride,
he'd be arrived from that exercise is that
it is possible that black holes give rise
to other universities that are born in
them without touching the
mater. Universe is spacetime.
That through this verb,
if there is variation in the parameters
of natural laws and aura university
itself is an nth generation child,
obvious evolutionary sequence where
to go back to the entropy principle,
the probability of seeking in a universe
that is capable of generating only one
or a few more black holes is
statistically meaningful as opposed to the
probability of sitting indoors. Kirk,
high branches that give rise to many,
many more child universities,
one of which is ours.
So, uh, to your argument,
there is some theoretical foundation,
uh, and it is far a,
at least to me. Um, one last question.
Three, two, one. Thank
you. Are You Hungaria?
Yeah, I'm very, I'm not
[inaudible]
okay.
