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>>ARTHELENE: HEY THERE
AND WELCOME MY FRIEND
AND WELCOME TO
HOMEKEEPERS, I THINK
THINGS WILL BE
GREAT FOR YOU TODAY AND
I'M SO GLAD TO BE WITH
YOU. THIS IS AN
ABSOLUTE PRIVILEGE AND
I DON'T HAVE THE
VOCABULARY TO TELL YOU
WHAT A PRIVILEGE IT IS
TO COME INTO YOUR HOME,
DAY AFTER DAY, AND TO
BRING THE GOOD MESSAGE
OF JESUS CHRIST, AND
THAT HE WANT YOU TO
HAVE A GOOD LIFE AND HE
WANTS YOUR HOME TO BE
WELL, AND YOU KNOW, AND
BE WELL WITH HIS
BLESSING AND TO, AND
FOR ALL OF THE THINGS
THAT HE HAS FOR YOU AND
HE TELLS US WHAT TO DO
IN THE WORD AND THAT IS
WHY WE DO IT EVERY DAY.
AND I'M GLAD TO BE WITH
YOU AND I'M SO GLAD TO
HAVE MY GUEST BACK
TODAY, HER NAME IS
DENISE, AND YOU KNOW
SHE WROTE THE BOOK
 MY DADDY'S SECRET . YOU
KNOW, THIS WOULD BE AT
THE RIGHT TIME, AND
BECAUSE WE ARE
INUNDATED WITH
INFORMATION ABOUT
TRANSGENDER PEOPLE,
PEOPLE THAT FEEL THAT
THEY WERE BORN IN A
WRONG BODY, AND THEY
TRY TO CONVERT TO MAY
BE THE OPPOSITE SEX OF
WHAT THEY ARE. AND
LIKE BRUCE JENNER HAS
BROUGHT A BIG SPOTLIGHT
TO THIS, AND WHAT
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, THEY
GIVE THIS TO THE
KINDERGARTNERS AND THE
FIRST-GRADERS, AND THE
THINGS ARE BEING SAID
TO THE LITTLE CHILDREN,
AND LIKE SOME DAYS
YOU WOULD FEEL LIKE A
BOY AND SOMETIMES YOU
FEEL LIKE A GIRL, AND
THEY SET UP CONFUSION
IN THEIR MINDS.
DENISE, SHE HAS THE
UNDERSTANDING OF ALL OF
THIS LIKE NO ONE THAT
I'VE EVER MET OR HEARD
OF BECAUSE, HER
FATHER, HE WAS
TRANSGENDER, AND HE
WANTED TO CHANGE HIS
SEX AND HE DID THAT
THROUGH THE PROCESS,
FROM A MAN TO A WOMAN.
SHE WAS, SHE WAS AWARE
OF IT WHEN SHE WAS
NINE YEARS OLD AND SHE
HAS GOT THE AUTHORITY
TO SPEAK ON THE
SUBJECT, I'M GLAD THAT
SHE IS BACK, VERY MUCH
SO. I WILL BE JOINING
STEPHANIE AND WE WANT
TO BE MIXING, IT CALLS
FOR THE WHOLE-WHEAT
LINGUINE, AND THERE IS
HAM AND, YOU KNOW, I
DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE
EVER HAD THE HAM AND
THE PASTOR TOGETHER.
I HAVE SOME MORE BOOKS
OF THIS TITLE,
DEBT-FREE LIVING AND
THIS BOOK IS AN
AWARD-WINNING AUTHOR,
ON THE SUBJECT OF
MONEY. AND SADLY,
AMERICANS LIVE IN SO
MUCH DEBT. SHE DOES
NOT DO THIS FROM YOU
KNOW, THINKING ABOUT IT
AND READ THE BOOKS,
SHE HAS BEEN THERE AND
SHE HAS COME BACK
FROM BANKRUPTCY AND SO
MANY THINGS, REALLY
NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT
MONEY AND SHE IS
QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT
IT. THIS COULD BE THE
BEST INVESTMENT YOU
COULD EVER MAKE. WE
OFFER THIS TO YOU FOR
THE GIFT OF JUST $18
AND THAT WOULD COVER
THE SHIPPING AND
HANDLING, WE CAN GET
IT OUT TO YOU AND I DO
BELIEVE, THAT THERE
WOULD BE MANY AMERICANS
THEY DON'T EVEN
UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS
POSSIBLE TO LIVE
WITHOUT DEBT. IT
WOULD BE A WAY OF LIFE.
SO THE BOOK, THIS CAN
OPEN UP YOUR EYES AND
THE GREATEST THING AND
THIS WOULD BE A GREAT
BOOK AND THE BEST BOOK
WOULD BE THE BIBLE. AND
THIS WOULD BE YOUR
ADDRESS UP ON THE
SCREEN THAT YOU WILL
WRITE TO, AND YOU
KNOW MAYBE YOU GO INTO
DEPTH CREDIT CARDS? AND
THE TELEPHONE NUMBERS
WOULD BE ON YOUR
SCREEN.
>>STEPHANIE: AND YOU
KNOW, YOU CAN PAY IT
OFF AT THE END OF THE
MONTH.
>>ARTHELENE: I ALWAYS
PAY MINE OFF AT THE END
OF THE MONTH AT WE HAVE
GOT TO GET BUSY,
YOU'LL BE DOING A RADIO
INTERVIEW.
>>STEPHANIE: I'LL BE
DOING THIS RIGHT AFTER
WE GET DOWN HERE.
>>ARTHELENE:TELL ME HOW
I CAN FIND IT. ALSO, I
WANT TO INTRODUCE A
LADY THAT MIGHT BE
GOING TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT. YOU
KNOW, AND THIS PISTOL
PACKING MOM AND THERE
WAS A SONG NAMED THAT,
YOU NEED TO LAY THAT PISTOL
DOWN, PISTOL DOWN. YOU
KNOW, YOU'RE A PISTOL
PACKING MAMA, THAT WAS
WHEN I WAS YOUNG AT WE
HAVE GOT THE PICTURES.
>>STEPHANIE: I GOT MY
CONCEALED WEAPONS
PERMIT OVER THE
WEEKEND.
>>ARTHELENE: SO YOU'LL
BE ABLE TO ABLE TO
CARRY?
>>STEPHANIE: I'LL BE
PACKING, FOR SURE. I
WOULD BE LOCKED AND
LOADED. TRUST ME.
LAUGHTER.
>>ARTHELENE: LET ME
JUST ADVISE ANYBODY,
THAT WOULD LIKE TO
MAYBE YOU WOULD LIKE
TO BREAK INTO HER HOME,
SHE WOULD NOT THINK
TWICE. SHE WOULD BE
QUICK AND SHE IS SMART
AND QUICK. I WOULD
ADVISE YOU TO STAY AWAY
FROM HER WITH ANY BAD
INTENTIONS AND MOTIVES
AROUND HER HOUSE.
>>STEPHANIE: AND YOU
HAVE BEEN WARNED.
>>ARTHELENE: I'VE BEEN
THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR
A LONG TIME, SO. WE
SHALL SEE. THIS LOOKS
PRETTY GOOD.
>>STEPHANIE: WE HAVE
THE PAST AND WE HAVE
THE HOT OIL, AND WE
HAVE THE GARLIC AT WE
WANT TO PUT THIS IN
HERE. IT CALLS FOR,
THE RED PEPPERS AND I
DON'T PUT THIS IN HERE
FOR YOU, BUT THIS
WOULD BE FOR THE RED
PEPPERS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND FOR
ALL OF THE CREW, YOU
WANT SOME OF THIS, YOU
COULD ADD YOUR OWN RED
PEPPERS.
>>STEPHANIE: YES, THIS
IS LIKE ARTHELENE AND WHAT
SHE
WANTS IT A CERTAIN WAY,
AND WE DO THIS FOR HER. I
HAVE NEVER HAD THE HAM
AND THE PASTA
TOGETHER. I HAVE
NEVER DONE THIS
TOGETHER AND I'VE NEVER
CONSIDERED IT. AND MAY
BE LIKE WITH SOME
POTATO SALAD BUT NOT
LIKE THIS. AND THEN
THE OTHER THING, AND WE
HAVE THE WALNUTS. AND
I'M WOULD BE SPEED
COOKING AT WE HAVE GOT
TO GET TO OUR GUEST,
BUT YOU WANT TO SAUTÉ
THE ONIONS AND WE WANT
TO GO OUT AND PUT IN
THE NUTS, AND YOU
WANT THE OIL TO GET
HERE AND THIS IS WHERE
YOU HAVE ALL OF YOUR
FLAVOR.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THE
APOSTATE IS ALREADY
COOKED.
>>STEPHANIE: AND YES
YOU KNOW YOU COULD
THROW THESE INTO THE
PAN AND PUT THEM IN THE
OVEN, OH, THAT BECOME
SO GOOD. AND THIS
WOULD BE SO INTERESTING
AND WE HAVE THE HAM,
IT IS LIKE MATCHSTICKS
AND THIS IS HOW WE CUT
IT UP AND THIS IS SO I
WILL PUT THIS IN HERE.
AND YES AND I HAVE
NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS
BEFORE.
>>ARTHELENE: I AM
TRYING TO THINK, ABOUT
THIS, AND I AM
INTRIGUED, AND I THINK
THAT WE LIVE IN A TIME
WHEN PEOPLE COME UP
WITH THE MOST
INTERESTING
COMBINATIONS WITH FOOD,
THERE ARE SO MANY
THINGS, YOU KNOW, TRY
TO HELP YOU TO MOVE IT
ALONG, IT IS ALREADY
PREPARED.
>>ARTHELENE: OH, YES.
>>STEPHANIE: A LOT
OF THE RECIPES COME
FROM PEOPLE THAT WOULD
BE AT HOME, AND THEY
HAVE SOME HAM AND THEY
HAVE LINGUINE, THE
ONIONS, AND THEN THEY
SAY WE SHALL SEE WHAT
WE SHALL DO THEN THEY
GET AN AMAZING RECIPE
AND I DO THAT A LOT AT
HOME. AND MAYBE I WANT
TO CLEAR OUT OF THE
FREEZER. AND I JUST
START TO MIX THINGS
TOGETHER. YOU KNOW,
THERE ARE SOME
WEBSITES, YOU KNOW,
AND YOU CAN PUT IN WHAT
YOU HAVE AND THEN THEY
WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU
CAN MAKE. AND WE HAVE
SOME LINGUINE RIGHT
HERE AT WE COULD PUT
THIS ALL TOGETHER. AND
THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF
PASTA.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WE CAN
TAKE A LITTLE TASTE,
THEN YOU CAN JUST PUT
THE CHEESE ON HERE.
>>STEPHANIE: WE HAVE
THE PARTS IN A LET ME
PUT THIS ON HERE.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THIS
IS WHAT THE MEN WOULD
LIKE.
>>STEPHANIE: IT SMELLS
SO GOOD.
>>ARTHELENE:
>>STEPHANIE: YOU KNOW
MY HUSBAND WOULD TRY IT
YES, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, AND YOU
KNOW, HE LIKES IT.
AND WE HAVE BEEN
TOGETHER FOR 26 YEARS,
MARRIED FOR 22. I
DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD
LIKE IT BECAUSE HE
LIKES WHAT HE LIKES. HE
LIKES IT SIMPLE. VERY
SIMPLE FOOD. YOU KNOW,
WE HAVE THE LITTLE BIT
OF CHEESE AND THE
PARSLEY. YOU KNOW,
AND HE LIKES SOME
DIFFERENT THINGS AND HE
LIKES GOULASH. AND I
MAKE IT ALL OF THE TIME
AND ALL OF THE TIME.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WHY
DON'T YOU MAKE IT HERE?
>>STEPHANIE: WELL IT
WOULD BE VERY SIMPLE
AND I THINK WE MADE IT
BEFORE IT'S VERY
SIMPLE, I SAW A
PROGRAM AND I WAS NOT
VERY FEMININE WITH MY
SPAGHETTI, SO LET ME
CHECK THIS OUT AND DO
THIS BETTER. I GOT AN
EMAIL, AND SHE SAID,
HAVE YOU EVER, HAVE
YOU EVER HEARD OF DOING
IT THIS WAY? AND IT
CAN BE HARD TO DO.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YES,
AND WE HAVE THIS SET UP,
AND YES, THAT WOULD BE
SO GOOD AND I GOT A
WALNUT. YOU KNOW, WE
WILL RECOMMEND THIS
ONE.
>>STEPHANIE: IT IS
SUPER SIMPLE AND YUMMY.
>>ARTHELENE: IF WE
DON'T LIKE IT, WE DON'T
RECOMMEND IT TO YOU AND
I LOVE IT.
>>STEPHANIE: IT WOULD
BE REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
>>ARTHELENE: SO IF YOU
WANT THIS, IT IS FREE
AND THE INFORMATION
WOULD BE UP ON YOUR
SCREEN, AND YOU CAN
EMAIL US AND THAT WOULD
BE THE BEST WAY, AND
WE COULD GET THIS BACK
TO YOU THROUGH SNAIL
MAIL IF YOU WANT TO SO
SEND ME AN ENVELOPE,
WITH YOUR POSTAGE. I
WANT YOU TO ME DENISE
AND SHE IS A VERY
PRECIOUS LADY.
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>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE A
COPY OF TODAY'S RECIPE
YOU CAN SEND YOUR EMAIL
REQUEST TO THE
INFORMATION YOU SEE ARE
ON YOUR SCREEN AND YOU
CAN ALSO WRITE TO THE
ADDRESS ON YOUR SCREEN,
AND ALSO REMEMBER TO
INCLUDE YOUR ENVELOPE
WITH YOUR POSTAGE AND
THANK YOU FOR BEING A
PART OF OUR FAMILY.
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>>ARTHELENE: WE WELCOME
YOU BACK DENISE, I AM
SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU
BACK. AND WE WANT TO
TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE
ABOUT SOMETHING THAT
HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS,
IT IS IN THE NEWS A
GREAT DEAL. I CAN ONLY
IMAGINE, WHAT WOULD GO
THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN
YOU SEE THESE THINGS ON
TV, AND YOU SEE BRUCE
JENNER. HE RECEIVES
AWARDS FOR COURAGE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A
SPLINTERED FAMILY.
SO,FOR THE VIEWERS, AND
THEY WOULD NOT BE AWARE
OF YOUR STORY AND THEY
HAVE NOT SEEN YOU
BEFORE, PLEASE GIVE US
AN OVERVIEW, I KNOW,
THAT YOUR FATHER TOLD
YOU SOME SECRETS WHEN
YOU WERE NINE, AND NO
FATHER SHOULD EVER DO
THAT. HOWEVER, AND DID
YOU THINK ANYTHING WAS
WRONG BEFORE THAT? YOU
WERE SO YOUNG BUT IT
WAS EVERYTHING WAS IT?
>>GUEST: NOT REALLY,
THE ONLY THING THAT I
UNDERSTOOD, AND I WAS
COMPARING HIM TO
OTHERS, YOU KNOW HE WAS
NOT VERY LOVING. YOU
KNOW, AND THERE WAS NOT
THAT AFFIRMATION, HE
WOULD NEVER HUG ME,
NOTHING LIKE THAT AS ME
AND MY SIBLINGS AND
WHAT WE MIGHT, AND
THERE WAS SUCH A
DISTANCE AND I THOUGHT
THAT WAS HIS
PERSONALITY. THE NEWS
CAME OUT OF LEFT FIELD.
>>ARTHELENE: YOU WOULD
HAVE BEEN TOO YOUNG FOR
THAT TO GET INTO YOUR
MIND, FOR ONE THING.
WHEN YOU WERE NINE,
AND WHERE WERE YOU?
WHAT WAS THE SETTING
AND HOW THAT HE TELL
YOU THAT HE REALLY,
THAT HE THOUGHT THAT HE
WAS A WOMAN, IS THAT
THE WAY THAT HE SAID
IT?
>>GUEST: YES, HE SAID
HE WAS A WOMAN. AND MY
MOTHER WAS AT WORK.
YOU KNOW SHE WAS
ACTUALLY IN THE
KITCHEN, AND THEN MY
FATHER WANTED ME TO GO
OUTSIDE AND SIT DOWN
AND HE WANTED ME TO
TALK WITH HIM. AND I
WAS THINKING YOU KNOW,
THAT MAYBE I DONE
SOMETHING WRONG BECAUSE
WE WOULD BE ON PINS AND
NEEDLES ANYWAY, AS WE
SAT THERE, HE TOOK NO
TIME AT ALL TO SAY THAT
HE WANTED ME TO KNOW,
THAT HE WANTED TO
BECOME A WOMAN. AND
YOU KNOW, AND HE HAD
FELT THAT WAY FOREVER.
AND YOU KNOW, AND THE
DETAILS, THAT CAME
ALONG WITH THAT. AND
I GUESS FOR A SPLIT
SECOND, AND I DID NOT
THINK IT WOULD AFFECT
ME YOU KNOW, AND THEN
YOU THINK YOUR PARENTS
ARE YOUR PARENTS BUT
WHAT I FOUND OUT IN THE
DAYS AHEAD, AND HOW
MUCH THIS DID IMPACT
ME. AND HOW I MIGHT
SEE MYSELF, AND I
BECAME INSECURE ABOUT
BEING A GIRL. AND THEN
WHEN I BEGAN TO
DEVELOP, I NOTICED,
AND MY FATHER WAS
ENVIOUS, OF WHAT I WAS
BECOMING AS A WOMAN.
THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED.
THERE WERE MANY
COMPLICATIONS AS WELL
IN THE HOME AND IN THE
ENVIRONMENT, FOR
INSTANCE, AND WHEN I
GOT TO THE PLACE WHERE
HE COULD WEAR MY
CLOTHING HE WOULD BE IN
MY CLOTHING. I HAD NO
PRIVACY IN THE HOME AT
ALL. ON TOP OF THAT,
JUST INSIDE, YOU
KNOW, I WAS ENVYING
THE GIRLS, AND THEY
HAD FUN BEING GIRLS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THERE
WAS SOME MOLESTATION
ALONG THE WAY? AND I
DON'T HAVE AN
IMAGINATION THAT WOULD
BE GREAT ENOUGH TO
UNDERSTAND THE
CONFUSION THAT HE
PLACED UPON YOU. THAT
WAS UNBELIEVABLY
SELFISH, TO DO THAT TO
A LITTLE CHILD. AND,
AND ONE AND ONE THING
THAT I'VE NOTICED IN
THE BOOK, IT SEEMS,
THAT FROM A VERY YOUNG
AGE, THE HAND OF GOD
WAS UPON YOU. I THINK
THAT WE CAN SEE THE
HAND OF THE LORD IN
HINDSIGHT, AND WE WILL
SAY LORD DON'T YOU KNOW
WHAT IS HAPPENING? BUT
THEN YOU LOOK BACK AND
YOU GO, YES. HE WAS
THERE. DID YOU TELL
ANYBODY?
>>GUEST: I DID NOT
TELL ONE SOLD FOR MANY
YEARS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND DID
HE TELL YOU TO KEEP IT
QUIET?
>>GUEST: YOU KNOW,
THAT WAS MY
INCLINATION, AND I
GUESS HE THOUGHT I
WOULD NOT TELL. AND
WITHOUT HIM SAYING,
KEEP IT A SECRET, I
TOLD NO ONE BECAUSE I
FELT SO MUCH SHAME. I
FELT LOST BUT WHO DO
YOU GO TO ABOUT IT?
YOU KNOW AND YOU DID
NOT WANT TO BE GET INTO
THE HOMETOWN GOSSIP.
>>ARTHELENE: THERE WAS
NO PLACE AND THERE WAS
NO PLACE TO GO, YOU
COULD NOT TALK TO
ANYBODY ABOUT THE LORD.
AND YOUR WHOLE CONCEPT
OF GOD, IT WAS NOT VERY
MUCH DEVELOPED.
>>GUEST: THE ONLY
THING, AND YES I WENT
TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
AND THANKFULLY AND
WHEN- AND WITH THAT
FOUNDATION, AND I CAN
REMEMBER WHEN I WAS
CLINGING TO THIS, I
DID NOT KNOW WHY IT WAS
HAPPENING BUT I KNEW
GOD WAS WITH ME, SO IT
WAS A CHILDLIKE FAITH.
>>ARTHELENE: YOU ARE
NINE YEARS OLD. AND
THAT PROVES, AND THAT
PROVES THE WATCH CARE
OF THE LORD. AND AS
YOU, AND AS YOU GROW
OLDER AND THE TIME
PASSED, HE WOULD BECOME
BOLDER? AND HE WOULD
GET IN YOUR CLOTHING?
>>GUEST: YES.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THEN
I SAID THIS AT THE TOP
OF THE PROGRAM IF
ANYBODY COULD TALK
ABOUT IT YOU COULD, AND
THAT WOULD BE THE
CONFUSION THERE WOULD
BE SOME THINGS THAT
WOULD BE PREDICTABLE,
AND ONE IS CALLED THE
CROSS-DRESSING. IN
NO, THERE SEEMS TO BE
COMFORT AND WEARING
CLOTHING LIKE A WOMAN.
AND I KNOW BRUCE
JENNER, THIS GUY, AND
HE WAS ONE OF THE
GREATEST ATHLETES ONE
YEAR. IN KNOW AND
WHEN HE WOULD ADDRESS
PEOPLE HE WOULD BE ALL
DRESSED UP, HE WOULD BE
WEARING WOMEN'S
UNDERGARMENTS, WHEN HE
WOULD BE IN A SUIT AND
A TIE CAN YOU TALK
ABOUT THAT?
>>GUEST: IT IS AN
ADDICTION, PEOPLE
DON'T SEE THIS AS AN
ADDICTIVE BEHAVIOR
UNLESS THEY WOULD
UNDERSTAND, AND MY
BROTHER, HE IS AN
ALCOHOLIC. IN THE
PAST, AND WHEN
SOMETHING WOULD GO
WRONG, AND WHATEVER HE
COULD NOT HANDLE HE
WOULD GO TO THAT BUT I
DON'T MEAN TO COMPARE
IT TO ALCOHOLISM, BUT
AS FAR AS THE ADDICTION
AND SO MANY TIMES,
MEN, AND ONCE THEY
BEGAN IT, THEY THINK
THAT THEY CAN CONTROL
IT, IT SATISFIES. AND
THEN ONE MAN SAID, IT
BEGAN TO CONTROL HIM.
AND YOU KNOW, HE USED
THOSE WORDS, THEN IT SHOWED
ME, IT WAS SO EARLY ON,
AND THIS BEGINS TO
CONTROL THEM, AND THEY
THINK THEY CAN CONTROL
THAT AND THEN THEY HAVE
A BAD DAY, AND THEY
BECOME EMOTIONALLY BE-
YOU KNOW, THE
AND THERE IS WHAT IT
MIGHT EVER BE, SOME
TEMPTATION AND THEY GO
RIGHT BACK INTO THE
CROSS-DRESSING. AND
THEY THINK THEY CAN
CONTROL IT, AND THEY
DON'T THINK YOU KNOW,
THAT THEY WERE NEVER
HAVE SEX REASSIGNMENT
SURGERY. AND THE MIND
CAN CHANGE, AND FOR
THIS ADDICTIVE
BEHAVIOR, MANY MEN
HAVE SAID, I NEVER
THOUGHT I WOULD DO IT.
BUT NOW MAYBE I AM A
WOMAN.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THERE
IS CONFUSION SET UP
THERE SOMEWHERE.
>>GUEST: YES, THE ENEMY
DOES IT.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YES,
WE MIGHT AS WELL
IDENTIFY HIM. HAVE
YOU THOUGHT ABOUT,
LIKE THE BRAIN ITSELF,
AND IN THE SITUATIONS
YOU KNOW, AND YOU
CANNOT EXCUSE, AND YOU
CANNOT REMOVE, I
BELIEVE, THIS WOULD BE
AN ATTACK OF THE ENEMY.
I KNOW THAT--I WAS
TALKING TO SOMEONE, I
HAVE BEEN IN THE
MINISTRY FOR A LONG
TIME. I'VE ALWAYS SAID,
THE PREACHERS KIDS,
THEY CAN ZERO IN ON
THINGS THAT WOULD BE 10
MILES AWAY, AND WE
HAVE AN INNATE ABILITY.
I THINK, AND MAYBE
JUST SOME GOT INSTINCTS
AND I CAN SEE SOMEONE,
YOU KNOW AND I CAN LOOK
AT PEOPLE AND SAY YOU
SHOULD NOT DRINK. AND
MAYBE THE WAY THEY ARE
WIRED, AND MAYBE THEY
COULD HAVE A GLASS OF
WINE BUT I'M TELLING
YOU, TO ANOTHER PERSON,
DON'T TOUCH IT.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. HE
DOES NOT DRINK AT ALL.
AND THE REASON HE HAD A
BROTHER THAT DIED IS AN
ALCOHOLIC. I THINK,I
THINK THAT IS VERY
WISE. THE CHOICE THEY
MADE. IN ALL. SO,
PERHAPS HE WAS THINKING
WELL, AND MAYBE I
WOULD BE WIRE LIKE MY
BROTHER, AND DID YOU
THINK ABOUT THAT? WITH
YOUR FATHER AND MAYBE
THE WIRES WERE
CROSSED?
>>GUEST: I UNDERSTOOD,
THAT IN NINE YEARS OLD,
WHAT SOME ARE BELOW
CAUSES COULD BE, AS HE
REVEALED THESE THINGS
TO ME, I UNDERSTOOD,
THAT HE HAD BEEN
MOLESTED AS A CHILD.
MY GRANDMOTHER WAS AN
ALCOHOLIC, AND I HAVE
KNOWN ABOUT IT BUT I
JUST KNEW SHE WAS A
DRUNKARD. AND MY
FATHER WOULD NOT SPEND
ANY TIME WITH THEM AND
SO WHEN YOU ARE NINE
I'M THINKING, OKAY,
123, THIS LINE HIM UP
FOR IT, AND TODAY WHAT
IS AMAZING AT WE FIND
THE ADULTS AND THEY
DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE
FACTORS, AND THEY
DON'T EVEN TAKE A LOOK
AND CONSIDER THAT
SOMETHING IS HAPPENED,
THIS HAS HAPPENED TO
MAKE THEM WANT TO
ESCAPE AND FLEE FROM
BEING A WOMAN OR MAN.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YES,
YOU HAVE GOT THREE
MAJOR STRIKES AGAINST
YOUR FATHER RIGHT
THERE. AT ONE THING IN
THE BOOK, THAT HAUNTS
ME, IT WOULD BE THAT
WHEN HE WAS A LITTLE
KID, AND THEY SAID HE
WAS THE LAST BOY?
>>GUEST: AND YES, HE
WAS THE LOST LITTLE BOY
IN TOWN.
>>ARTHELENE: THAT
BREAKS MY HEART. AND
I'M THINKING, HOW MANY
PEOPLE OF A SCENE LIKE
THAT? AND AS AN
ADULT, AND WE NEED TO
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD
GROW UP AND BE AN ADULT
AND WE CAN LOOK AROUND,
AND IF YOU SEE A CHILD,
THAT MAYBE HAS A TITLE
LIKE THAT, YOU SHOULD
PAY SOME ATTENTION TO
THEM.
>>GUEST: YES. YES.
AND AS THE CHURCHES AND
THE CHRISTIANS, WE
SHOULD NOTICE THAT
THERE WOULD BE SOMEBODY
IN THE CHURCH OR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND
MAYBE THERE WOULD BE
SOME TYPES OF
DYSFUNCTION BUT WE CAN
ALL BE DYSFUNCTIONAL
AND YOU SHOULD TAKE
NOTICE. IT BROKE MY
HEART AND THEN YOU TALK
ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW,
AND MY FATHER WOUND UP
WHERE HE WAS, AND WE
STILL HAVE THE LOST
CHILDREN. AND I THINK
WHAT IS HAPPENING, AND
THEY FIND A SAFE PLACE,
IT WOULD BE LIKE A
SAFE HARBOR, WITH THE
LGBT COMMUNITY, IT IS
FAKE. BUT THEY ARE
ACCEPTED, AND THAT CAN
FEED, AND THAT CAN
FEED INTO WHAT THEY ARE
FEELING EMOTIONALLY.
AND THE AND WINDS UP
BEING DESTRUCTION.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU
KNOW, IT APPEARS TO ME
THAT YOUR FATHER
MARRIED THE RIGHT
PERSON FOR WHAT HE WAS
GOING THROUGH AND
STRUGGLING WITH. AND
WAS YOUR MOTHER PASSIVE
YOU KNOW, AND SHE WAS
AWARE OF THIS WHEN THEY
GOT MARRIED?
>>GUEST: YES, AND HE
LET ME KNOW THAT AS
WELL, AND I HAD ALL OF
THIS INFORMATION COMING
AT ME WHEN I WAS NINE.
THE KNOW THEY BOTH
UNDERSTOOD, THAT BY
GETTING MARRIED, THAT
WOULD RESOLVE HIS
ISSUES.
>>ARTHELENE: AND MAYBE
WE SHOULD WARN THE
PEOPLE, AND DON'T MARRY
A FIXER-UPPER.
>>GUEST: I'VE ASKED MY
MOTHER MANY YEARS AGO
AND I SAID WHAT WOULD
YOU SAY TO A WOMAN,
THAT KNOWS THAT THE
HUSBAND IS STRUGGLING WITH
TRANSGENDER ISSUES?
AND SHE WOULD SAY, I WOULD
SAY
DO NOT DO IT. IT DOES
NOT FIX THEM.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YES,
THAT WOULD BE WHY, AND
I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THE
GIRLS WOULD BE MORE
PRONE THAN BOYS, AND
THEY THINK THAT THEY
CAN FIX IT.
>>GUEST: WE DO THAT
WITH OUR CHILDREN, TOO.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THIS
CONTINUED ON AS YOU
GREW UP, AND THIS IS
WHERE I CAN SEE THE
HAND OF THE LORD UPON
YOU BECAUSE YOU BEGAN
TO DATE A YOUNG MAN.
>>GUEST: I WAS 15.
>>ARTHELENE: THEY ARE
MARRIED TODAY. HE DID
NOT RUN AWAY.
>>GUEST: HE DID NOT.
>>ARTHELENE: IF I CAN
REMEMBER EVERYTHING OF
THE BOOK YOU SAID, HE
CAME OVER FOR THE FIRST
TIME AND THEN HE BEGAN
TO TALK TO YOUR DAD IN
CONVERSATION. AND
THAT WOULD BE SO MUCH
CLOSE TO A MIRACLE.
>>GUEST: IT WAS, YES,
TO MY HUSBAND MARK, HE
WAS THE FIRST ONE I
TOLD AND THEN HE NUDGED
ME, AND HE WANTED TO
KNOW WHY I WAS SO
DISTANT FROM MY FATHER.
AND HE DID NOT
UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW,
I CAN REMEMBER BEING IN
THE JEEP, I WAS
THINKING, AND HE SAID
YOU KNOW I CANNOT TAKE
NO FOR AN ANSWER AND I
THOUGHT I WOULD LOSE
HIM WHEN I TOLD HIM THE
TRUTH. HE WAS VERY
PERSISTENT. YOU KNOW,
TO GO HOME RIGHT AFTER
THAT YOU WOULD BE
GOING FROM A COUPLE
MILES, WHERE WE WERE
SITTING, AND THEN HE
WALKED INTO THE DOOR,
AND MY FATHER WAS OVER
INTO THE ROOM AND HE
WENT IN AND BEGAN TO
TALK. AND THEN I WAS
UPSET I WAS THINKING, I
JUST TOLD YOU THIS.
MARK WAS SHOWING ME,
WITHOUT REALIZING IT,
THAT WAS BEING JESUS.
THAT HE WAS NOT
RESISTING AND LIKE I
DID NOT LIKE THE MAN.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THIS
WOULD BE THE NEXT
MIRACLE AND I KNOW THAT
GOD HAD HIS HAND ON YOU
WHEN YOU WERE NINE,
AND YOU DID NOT GET
WORSE AND WORSE BUT
THEN, FOR MARK TO BE
SO YOUNG. YOU KNOW AS
A TEENAGER.
>>GUEST: YES, HE WAS.
>>ARTHELENE: YOU KNOW,
HE STAYED WITH YOU. HE
RESPONDED, HE
RESPONDED LIKE THE LORD
WOULD DO AND THIS WENT
ON WITH YOUR FATHER.
YOU KNOW, AND HE WAS
LIKE HE WAS HELL-BENT
ON CHRISTIAN TV, HE WAS
HELL-BENT, AND HE
WANTED TO PROCEED.
AND DID HE BECOME A
WOMAN? AND DID HE SAY
THAT HE WANTED TO BE
CHANGED SEXUALLY?
>>GUEST: AS WE GOT
MARRIED AND I GRADUATED
FROM HIGH SCHOOL WHEN I
WAS 18, AS WE GOT
MARRIED AND I GRADUATED
FROM HIGH SCHOOL WHEN I WAS
18 YEARS OLD, THEN 10 YEARS
LATER AND THEN AFTER MORE
DEVASTATION, AND NEWER
LETTERS, HE LOST HIS
JOB AND THE MOTHER
PASSED AWAY, AND THERE
WERE MANY INSECURITIES.
HE WAS SEEING A PASTOR
FOR COUNSELING. AND
MOST COUNSELORS, AND
THEY DO NOT DO THIS BUT
THIS ONE WAS RECORDING
IT, AND HE RECORDED IT,
AND THE INFORMATION WAS
SPREAD AROUND WITHOUT
HIS KNOWLEDGE. YOU
KNOW, HE HAD, AND HE
WANTED TO BE BECKY.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YES
AND HE PASSED AWAY, AND
WERE YOU WITH HIM AT
THAT TIME?
>>GUEST: I WAS AND I
HAVE LEFT OUR ONE HALF
HOUR BEFORE.
>>ARTHELENE: HOW OLD
WAS HE?
>>GUEST: HE WAS 62.
>>ARTHELENE: THAT
WOULD BE VERY YOUNG.
IF I CAN REMEMBER
CORRECTLY IN YOUR BOOK,
YOU KNOW, HE SAID IT
DID NOT WORK. AND THAT
NEEDS TO BE, AND WE
NEED TO TELL THAT AND
TRUMPET THAT.
>>GUEST: YES, I DO
NOT KNOW WHERE I WOULD
STAND ON THIS OTHER
THAN THINKING YOU KNOW
THE PEOPLE, AND THAT
WOULD NOT FIX THEM AND
YOU KNOW, WITHOUT
WALKING IT OUT, AND
YOU KNOW I HAD WALKING
OUT WITH MY FATHER AND
TO HAVE HIM TO SAY, I
THOUGHT THIS WOULD
BRING ME SATISFACTION,
BUT IT NEVER DID.
>>ARTHELENE: WELL, I
AM SURE THAT WOULD BE
TRUE AND I KNOW THAT
WOULD GO AGAINST THE
PLAN OF THE LORD. AND
SINCE, THE WORLD HAS
PUT SUCH A SPOTLIGHT ON
THIS AND I'M SO GLAD
THAT YOUR BOOK IS OUT
THERE. AND DO YOU
KNOW IF HE CAME TO THE
LORD?
>>GUEST: I DO NOT KNOW
AND HE WAS IN A COMA
AND I HAD SPENT SOME
TIME WITH HIM AND I WAS
READING SCRIPTURES, I
WAS PRAYING OVER HIM
AND I WAS SO AMAZED
WHAT GOD HAD DONE FOR
HIS LAST DAYS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND ONE
OF THE GREATEST MEDICAL
CENTERS, WOULD BE JOHNS
HOPKINS, MEDICAL
CENTER, AND MANY YEARS
AGO, THEY STOPPED DOING
IT. AND THEY DO NOT DO
IT AND THEY SAY IT DOES
NOT WORK.
>>GUEST: IN NO, YOU
MUST CAREFULLY
UNDERLYING ISSUES, AND
WE CAN SAY THAT WE WANT
TO LOOK LIKE THIS LADY
AS A MAKEOVER, BUT THAT
DOES NOT A RACE WHAT IS
HAPPENED IN MY LIFE,
AND MY STRUGGLES AND
HOW I FEEL ABOUT
MYSELF.
>>ARTHELENE: AND ANY
TIME YOU ARE HERE, I
WANT YOU TO COME AND
SEE ME, AND THERE IS SO
MUCH MORE IN THE BOOK,
THE WORLD IS LOOKING AT
IT NOW. THERE IS SUCH
A HUGE SPOTLIGHT ON IT.
LIKE BRUCE JENNER,
AND HE SAID HE WANTED
TO SPEAK FOR HIS
COMMUNITY OR HIS OR HER
OR WHATEVER IT IS, A
WOMAN NOW. THE
CHRISTIANS, THEY NEED
TO KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE
TEACHES. WE NEED TO
KNOW HOW IT WORKS AND
WE ARE OUT OF TIME BUT
I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE
THE INFORMATION, THE
WEBSITE IS UP ON YOUR
SCREEN AND YOU COULD
GET THE BOOK THERE. I
WANT MY FRIEND TO COME
BACK AND SHE HAS BEEN
HERE BEFORE BUT WHEN
SHE COMES WE CAN
EXPLAIN ANOTHER AREA
AND ANOTHER FACET OF
THE JOURNEY, THAT WOULD
BE SO SAD, BUT SHE IS
TRIUMPHANT AND SO IS
THE HUSBAND. THERE IS
A TESTIMONY AND YOU
DON'T HAVE THE
TESTIMONY WITHOUT THE
TEST. PLEASE JOIN ME
AGAIN AND YOU WILL BE
WELCOMED BACK AND THERE
WOULD BE NO HIGHER
CALLING THAN THAT OF A
HOME KEEPER.
>> IF YOU SHOULD MISS
A PROGRAM YOU COULD
CATCH UP AND YOU COULD
GO TO THE WEBSITE YOU
SEE ON YOUR SCREEN,
CLICK ON THE
PROGRAMMING SECTION AND
THEN TO HOMEKEEPERS.
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