THAT IS HE IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR
SUNDAY, JULY 19th.
GOOD NIGHT.
(*)
>> Ian: GOOD EVENING, I'M IAN
HANOMANSING.
>>> TONIGHT, WITNESSES RECALL
THE
MOMENTS BEFORE A SIGHTSEEING
TRIP TURNED DEADLY.
>> EVERYBODY KIND OF STARTED
KIND OF GASPING, IT WAS
CAREENING DOWN, LOST CONTROL.
>> Ian: THREE KILLED, 14
CRITICALLY INJURED IN AN ALBERTA
ICEFIELD.
WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT HOW IT
HAPPENED.
>>> WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE OF
CANADA'S PRISONS?
A CBC NEWS INVESTIGATION REVEALS
SKY-HIGH COVID INFECTION RATES
AND SOME SAY THE FIX IS JUST AS
DANGEROUS.
>> BASICALLY YOU HAVE 14 MILLION
PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH
RESPONSE.
>> YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE MOST
DETAILED THREE-DIMENSIONAL MAP
OF THE HUMANKIND.
>> Ian: SCIENTISTS BOLDLY GO
WHERE THEY HAVE NEVER GONE
BEFORE.
* I NEVER KNEW THAT I COULD FEEL
THIS WAY *
>> Ian: AND "THE NATIONAL"
INTERVIEW WITH GORDON LIGHTFOOT
ON CRAFTING HIS GREATEST HITS.
WHAT HE REGRETS --
>> I CREATED EMOTIONAL TRAUMA IN
A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE.
>> Ian: AND LIVING THE LIFE OF A
CANADIAN ICON.
IS THERE ANYTHING LEFT ON YOUR
TO-DO LIST?
>>> THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
(*)
>>> WE'RE GETTING A CLEARER
PICTURE TONIGHT OF THE
TERRIFYING SCENE IN ALBERTA'S
JASPER NATIONAL PARK WHEN A BUS
FULL OF SIGHTSEERS FLIPPED AND
ROLLED.
THREE PEOPLE WERE KILLED AND
MORE THAN 20 OTHERS WERE RUSHED
TO HOSPITAL.
IT HAPPENED AT THE COLUMBIA
ICEFIELD YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
THE SEARCH NOW IS FOR THAT ONE
CRUCIAL DETAIL -- WHY.
RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN WITH WHAT AN
EYEWITNESS SAW.
>> EVERYBODY KIND OF STARTED
GASPING A LITTLE BIT WHEN THEY
SAW THE SNOW COACH CAREENING
DOWN, LOST CONTROL.
>> Reporter: IN THAT
TERRIFYING MOMENT AS THAT BUS
ROLLED DOWN THE SIDE OF THE
EMBANKMENT, ANOTHER BUSLOAD OF
PEOPLE COULD ONLY WATCH.
VANJA KRTOLICA, HIS WIFE AND
BABY, WERE AMONG THEM.
>> YEAH, I SAW PROBABLY TWO TO
THREE PEOPLE THROWN OUT CLEAR OF
THE COACH.
A COUPLE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
>> Reporter: OVER THE 27
PEOPLE ON BOARD, THREE DIED AT
THE SCENE.
14 SUFFERED CRITICAL INJURIES.
MOSTLY HEAD AND PELVIS.
ALL SURVIVORS WERE TAKEN TO
HOSPITAL.
>> WE ARE JUST FEELING SO
FORTUNATE TODAY THAT WE WEREN'T
ON THAT BUS.
WE CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THOSE
PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT
NOW.
>> Reporter: THIS IS THE
ATHABASCA GLACIER IN THE
COLUMBIA ICEFIELDS.
THE RIDE TO IT IS A SLOW DRIVE
THAT INCLUDES STEEP INCLINES.
TACKLED ONLY ON FOOT OR BUSES
EQUIPPED WITH ALL-TERRAIN
WHEELS.
KRTOLICA AND HIS FAMILY WERE
SCHEDULED TO BE ON THE BUS THAT
CRASHED, BUT ENDED UP
WITH STANDBY SEATS ON AN EARLIER
ONE.
>> ON THE WAY TO REMOVE THE
VEHICLE FROM THE SCENE --
>> Reporter: FROM AUTHORITIES,
MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS AT
THE MOMENT.
>> WE'RE AT THE INFANCY STAGE OF
THE INVESTIGATION AND ALL STEPS
ARE BEING TAKEN TO DETERMINE
TOGETHER WITH OUR PARTNER
AGENCIES THE CAUSE OF THE ROLL
OVER.
>> Reporter: AND TO IDENTIFY
THE VICTIMS AND THEIR
NEXT-OF-KIN.
LAUREN JOHNSTON WAS ALSO NEARBY
AND CAUGHT PART OF THE RESCUE
MISSION ON CAMERA.
>> I REMEMBER JUST KIND OF OH,
MY GOODNESS WHEN I REALISED IT
WAS ACTUALLY UPSIDE DOWN.
AND THAT WAS WHAT THE DUST PLUME
WAS THAT WE SAW THERE.
IT WAS CRAZY.
>> Reporter: THE COMPANY
BEHIND THE TOURS HAVE STOPPED
ALL OPERATIONS FOR NOW, AND
OFFERING ITS CONDOLENCES TO
THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES AND
SUPPORT IT SAYS FOR EMPLOYEES
WHO WERE PART OF THE RESCUE
EFFORT.
>> THAT'S WHERE OUR THOUGHTS ARE
RIGHT NOW, ON THE PEOPLE
INVOLVED.
AND SO WE'RE TAKING CARE OF
EVERYONE.
>> Reporter: MORE THAN 24
HOURS LATER, THE BUS IS STILL
HERE, JUST OFF THE SIDE OF THE
GLACIER.
POLICE SAY THAT IT WILL TAKE
SPECIALIZED STAFF AND EQUIPMENT
TO RETRIEVE THE WRECKAGE SO THEY
CAN PUSH FORWARD WITH THEIR
INVESTIGATION.
THAT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW.
RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN, CBC NEWS,
JASPER NATIONAL PARK.
>> Ian: WE HEARD ONE WITNESS
DESCRIBE SEEING THAT BUS CRASH
AS HE SAT ON ANOTHER BUS WITH
HIS WIFE AND YOUNG CHILD.
HERE'S A LITTLE MORE OF WHAT WAS
HAPPENING JUST BEFORE.
>> WE WERE WAITING FOR OUR TURN
TO GO BACK UP THE HILL WHEN --
WHEN WE WERE WAITING FOR THAT
PARTICULAR BUS IN QUESTION, THE
SNOW COACH, TO COME DOWN THAT
EMBANKMENT.
OUR BUS DRIVER WAS GIVING THE
SPIEL AND TELLING US ALL ABOUT
THE DIFFERENT FEATURES OF THE
GLACIER AND SOME OF THE FACTS
WHEN EVERYBODY STARTED GASPING A
LITTLE BIT WHEN THEY SAW THE
SNOW COACH CAREENING DOWN.
MY GUT FEELING IS THAT IT WAS
VERY, VERY BAD.
I HONESTLY, I WAS SHOCKED TO
HEAR THAT AS MANY PEOPLE
SURVIVED AS POSSIBLE.
I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED,
OBVIOUSLY.
BUT THE INITIAL IMPRESSION OF
THE ACCIDENT WAS LIKE I DON'T
KNOW IF ANYBODY MADE IT OUT.
I WOULD DEFINITELY CALL IT A
CLOSE CALL DAY YESTERDAY.
IT'S DEFINITELY -- I GUESS THAT
IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF
PAUSE WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT
HAPPENS AND YOU REALIZE HOW
FRAGILE LIFE IS.
AND HOW AT ANY POINT IN TIME, IT
COULD BE YOUR TIME.
WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF
THINKING EVER SINCE.
>> Ian: POLICE GAVE AN UPDATE
TODAY ON THE MANHUNT FOR MARTIN
CARPENTIER, WANTED IN CONNECTION 
WITH THE DEATH OF HIS TWO
DAUGHTERS LAST WEEK IN QUÉBEC
CITY.
QUÉBEC PROVINCIAL POLICE SAY
THEY HAVE NOW FINISHED COMBING
THE FORESTED AREAS NEAR
SAINT-APOLLINAIRE, ABOUT 40
KILOMETRES SOUTHWEST OF QUÉBEC
CITY.
THE S.Q. SAYS THAT IT IS NOW
LOOKING
INTO NEW INFORMATION AND WILL
REDEPLOY FORCES TO OTHER AREAS.
BUT TO PROTECT THE INVESTIGATION
IT SAYS THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO
SHARE ANY MORE DETAILS AT THIS
TIME.
>>> THE BLOC QUÉBECOIS LEADER,
YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET,
PERSONALLY ADDRESSED SEXUAL
MISCONDUCT ALLEGATIONS FOR THE
FIRST TIME TODAY, CALLING THE
CLAIMS MADE AGAINST HIM FALSE.
THE ALLEGATIONS COMING DURING A
MOMENT OF RECKONING IN QUÉBEC
SOCIETY.
TODAY HUNDREDS OF QUÉBECERS
MARCHED AGAINST SEXUAL VIOLENCE.
JAELA BERNSTIEN IS ON THAT STORY
TONIGHT.
>> [Speaking French]
>> Reporter: WITH HIS WIFE
BESIDE HIM, YVES-FRANÇOIS
BLANCHET CATEGORICALLY DENIED
EVER HAVING BEEN GUILTY OF
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
>> [Speaking French]
>> Reporter: "NEVER, NEVER
WOULD I HAVE DONE SUCH A THING.
IT'S COMPLETELY AGAINST
EVERYTHING THAT I AM," HE SAID.
"I WOULD BE INCAPABLE OF DOING
THAT."
EARLIER THIS WEEK ACCUSATIONS
WERE SHARED ANONYMOUSLY ON
FACEBOOK ALLEGING SEXUAL
MISCONDUCT IN A MONTRÉAL BAR IN
1999.
BACK WHEN BLANCHET WORKED AS THE
MANAGER FOR ROXINGER ÉRIC
LaPOINTE.
CBC NEWS HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO
VERIFY THE ALLEGATIONS OR SPEAK
TO THE PERSON WHO MADE THEM.
>> [Speaking French]
>> Reporter: "IMAGINE IF YOU
WOKE UP ONE MORNING TO READ THAT 
YOU HAD BEEN FALSELY ACCUSED OF
VILE
ACTS," BLANCHET SAID.
BLANCHET SAYS THAT HE KNOWS
PEOPLE THAT ARE GUILTY OF SEXUAL
MISCONDUCT AND THAT THE SYSTEM
IS IMPERFECT.
>> [Speaking French]
>> Reporter: HE SAID THAT THE
CHALLENGE IS TO GIVE VICTIMS OF
SEXUAL MISCONDUCT JUSTICE,
WITHOUT CREATING VICTIMS OF
DEFAMATION.
THE BLOC QUÉBECOIS CAUCUS HAS
ISSUED A LETTER OF UNANIMOUS
SUPPORT FOR THEIR LEADER.
BLANCHET IS ONE OF SEVERAL
PROMINENT QUÉBECERS NAMED IN A
WAVE OF ALLEGATIONS POSTED ON
SOCIAL MEDIA.
AS THE PROVINCE GRAPPLES WITH
ALL OF THIS, HUNDREDS OF
MONTRÉALERS FILLED THE STREETS
TODAY TO PROTEST SEXUAL
VIOLENCE.
>> WE'RE EMPOWERED BY, YOU KNOW,
USING OUR VOICES.
AND WE'RE BREAKING SILENCE.
>> Reporter: MANY HERE SAY
THEY FEEL POLICE AND COURTS FAIL
TO PROPERLY SUPPORT SEXUAL
VIOLENCE SURVIVORS.
THIS WOMAN SAYS THAT SHE WAS
RAPED AND WHILE HER AGGRESSOR
WAS FOUND GUILTY, IT CAME AT A
COST.
>> YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO TALK ABOUT
IT.
YOU CAN NEVER TOTALLY FORGET.
AND AFTER TWO YEARS YOU ARE LIKE
NOW I CAN MOVE ON, BUT, LIKE,
HOW?
>> Reporter: SURVIVORS SAY
THAT IT IS
TIME TO CHANGE HOW VICTIMS ARE
TREATED.
JAELA BERNSTIEN, CBC NEWS,
MONTRÉAL.
>> Ian: LET'S TURN TO THE
COVID-19 STORY IN THIS COUNTRY
NOW.
THE MASSIVE LOSS OF LIFE IN
CANADA'S LONG TERM FACILITIES
IS WELL KNOWN, BUT OUTBREAKS AT
CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES HAVE
ALSO BEEN WIDESPREAD.
VALERIE OUELLET LOOKS AT THE
DATA SHOWING THAT FOR MANY
INMATES THE SENTENCE FOR MANY
WAS ILLNESS OR DEATH.
>> Reporter: PIERRETTE
LANGEVIN'S BROTHER, ROBERT, WAS
AWAITING TRIAL AT THE
BORDEAUX JAIL WHEN COVID-19 HIT.
THE INSTITUTION WENT INTO
LOCKDOWN IN APRIL.
THEN IN MAY A PHONE CALL FROM
THE HOSPITAL.
ROBERT WAS DEAD, A VICTIM OF
COVID-19.
>> [Speaking French]
>> Reporter: "IT'S A SHOCK,"
SHE SAYS, "I NEVER GOT TO TALK
TO
HIM.
HOW IS IT THAT HE GOT SO SICK?"
BEFORE HE GOT SICK, THE
72-YEAR-OLD LANGEVIN FILED A
COMPLAINT FOR BETTER CONDITIONS
IN MARCH, SAYING, "I DON'T WANT
TO DIE HERE, I AM HUMAN AND I
HAVE RIGHTS."
MORE THAN 600 INMATES HAVE
TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID-19 IN
A FEDERAL OR PROVINCIAL
CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION.
AND THREE HAVE DIED.
A NATIONAL DATA ANALYSIS BY CBC
NEWS SUGGESTS THAT COVID-19
INFECTION RATES ARE UP TO NINE
TIMES HIGHER AMONG INMATES THAN
IN THE REST OF THE CANADIAN
POPULATION.
>> HOW CAN I HELP YOU?
>> Reporter: HE RUNS A HOTLINE
FOR PRISONERS.
HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE
PRACTICES OF ISOLATING INMATES
DURING THE PANDEMIC.
>> BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE
TORTURING PEOPLE AS A MEANS
OF -- OR AS A PUBLIC HEALTH
RESPONSE.
>> Reporter: CBC NEWS ALSO
FOUND THAT AT LEAST 3,000 CASES
OF INMATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY
PLACED IN ISOLATION.
EVEN IN INSTITUTIONS WITH NO
CORONAVIRUS.
IN JUNE, CANADA'S CORRECTIONAL
INVESTIGATOR ISSUED A REPORT
STATING IN PART, "MY OFFICE IS
LOOKING AT AN OVERALL LIFTING OF
RESTRICTIONS ON CONDITIONS OF
CONFINEMENT.
RIGHTS NEED TO BE RESPECTED AND
RESTORED."
STAFF AND INMATES BASED IN
SEVERAL JAILS ACROSS COUNTRY
TELL CBC NEWS BASIC DISTANCING
AND MASK WEARING ARE NOT
RESPECTED.
TESTING IS INCONSISTENT, AND
THOSE INFECTED DON'T RECEIVE
PROPER HEALTH CARE.
>> THEY DON'T WASH THEIR HANDS
PROPERLY OR HAVE ANY TYPE OF
P.P.E.
I'M CONCERNED FOR MY LIFE.
>> Reporter: ONTARIO SAYS THAT
IT HAS INCREASED CLEANING
MEASURES AND PROVIDED INMATES
WITH CLEANING PRODUCTS TO KEEP
THEIR LIVING AREAS CLEAN.
CORRECTIONAL SERVICES CANADA
TOLD CBC THAT "WE HAVE DEDICATED
HEALTH SERVICES ON-SITE WITH THE
EQUIPMENT NEEDED TO MONITOR AND
TO TREAT INMATES."
DESPITE THE MEASURES IN JAILS,
COVID-19 STILL PROVED DEADLY FOR 
ROBERT LANGEVIN.
VALÉRIE OUELLET, CBC NEWS,
MONTRÉAL.
>> Ian: AFTER WEEKS OF STEADILY
DECLINING NUMBERS, WHAT MIGHT BE
A SIGN OF CHANGE IN SOME PARTS
OF THE COUNTRY.
>> WHEN WE EXAMINED RECENT
TRENDS IN CASE REPORTING, THERE
IS SOME CAUSE FOR CONCERN.
>> Ian: CANADA'S DAILY CASE
NUMBERS ARE EDGING UP AS NEW
HOTSPOTS EMERGE.
THIS WEEKEND MONTRÉAL HIT ITS
HIGHEST DAILY TOTAL SINCE EARLY
JUNE.
ON FRIDAY OFFICIALS LINKED AT
LEAST 30 CASES TO PATRONS OF
RE-OPENED BARS.
IN ONTARIO, OTTAWA ANNOUNCED ITS
BIGGEST ONE-DAY SPIKE SINCE MAY.
>> IF THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO IS
POSITIVE FOR COVID AND THEN THEY
HAVE A GATHERING SUCH AS AT A
PRIVATE DWELLING OR A COTTAGE,
THESE ARE THE SCENARIOS WHERE
WE'RE SEEING SPREAD.
>> Ian: ALONG WITH BARS, THAT'S
A PATTERN ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
DRIVING THE NUMBERS.
>> Ian: ALONG WITH BARS, THAT'S
A PATTERN ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
DRIVING THE NUMBERS.
>> GREATER PROPORTION OF OUR
CASES ARE NOW AMONG WHAT WE CALL
YOUNG ADULTS, YOU KNOW, THOSE
LESS THAN 40.
>> WE NEED SOCIALIZATION AND WE
CAN'T STAY HOME FOR THE NEXT
YEAR OR MORE.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO
THIS WISELY.
>> Ian: IT'S CLEAR THAT BENDING
OR BREAKING RULES, ESPECIALLY
WITH GROUPS INDOORS, CARRIES
RISKS BOTH FOR THE INDIVIDUAL
AND THE COMMUNITY.
FOR MORE ON THAT WE'RE JOINED BY
INFECTIOUS DISEASES EXPERT
DR. ISSAC BOGOCH WHO IS TODAY
SOMEWHERE IN THE WOODS IN
GEORGIAN BAY.
HOW ARE YOU?
>> NOT BAD, THANK YOU.
>> Ian: LET'S START FIRST OF ALL
WITH THESE MONTRÉAL NUMBERS.
HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU BY WHAT
WE'RE SEEING THERE?
>> I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED.
CERTAINLY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A
TREND OVER TIME AND THIS SMALL
SPIKE IN CASES IS A RED FLAG.
WE'VE GOT TO PAY ATTENTION TO
THIS.
IF THIS PERSISTS IT WOULD NOT
COME TO ANYONE'S SURPRISE THAT
THERE MAY BE A PUBLIC HEALTH
CHANGE.
FOR EXAMPLE, PERHAPS ADDING
EXTRA CAUTION INTO OPENING BARS
OR ENFORCING THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOWED INTO
BARS.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL
HERE.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A GROWING
NUMBER OF CASES AMONG YOUNGER
PEOPLE AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT
ALL RELATED TO BARS.
IT COULD BE RELATED TO HOUSE
PARTIES AND JUST OTHER
OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE
TO SOCIALIZE.
SO WE NEED SOME BETTER MESSAGING
TARGETING YOUNGER INDIVIDUALS.
>> Ian: AND SPEAKING OF YOUNGER
INDIVIDUALS, WE'RE NOT THAT FAR
AWAY, DEPENDING ON YOUR
PERSPECTIVE FROM THE REOPENING
OF THE SCHOOL YEAR OR WHAT OUGHT
TO BE THE REOPENING OF THE
SCHOOL YEAR.
AND SO I SUPPOSE, DR. BOGOCH,
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE
GET THINGS RIGHT EVEN NOW IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE THIS CAN SET THE STAGE
FOR HOW WE ARE AS A COUNTRY,
COME SEPTEMBER WHEN CHILDREN ARE
SUPPOSED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.
AND, OF COURSE, IF THERE'S A
GREATER NUMBER OF CASES IN THE
COMMUNITY, THAT PUTS SCHOOLS IN
JEOPARDY AS THERE'S JUST A
GREATER PROBABILITY OF
INTRODUCING COVID-19 INTO A
SCHOOL SETTING.
SO THE KEY THING NOW IS TO SET
UP THE SCHOOLS FOR SUCCESS WITH
GOOD POLICIES, BUT ALSO TO
SUPPRESS THE COMMUNITY
TRANSMISSION AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE.
>> Ian: DR. BOGOCH, THANKS FOR
INTERRUPTING YOUR WEEKEND AWAY
AND ENDURING ALL OF THE BUGS.
>> OH, NO PROBLEM, ANY TIME.
>> Ian: THIS WEEKEND QUÉBEC
BECAME THE FIRST
PROVINCE TO MAKE MASKS
MANDATORY, THAT FOLLOWS
CITY-WIDE RULES IN PLACES LIKE
TORONTO AND MONTRÉAL AND OTTAWA.
SOMETHING THAT SMALL GROUPS OF
PROTESTERS OPPOSED TODAY.
>> [CHANTING]
>> Ian: IN SOME CANADIAN CITIES
PROTESTERS CLAIMING THAT
MASK RULES WERE RESTRICTING
THEIR FREEDOM.
THERE'S A GROWING BODY OF
EVIDENCE SUGGESTING THAT MASK
MANDATES LIMITS THE SPREAD OF
COVID-19, MAINLY BY REDUCING THE
SPREAD OF DROPLETS EXHALED BY
INFECTED PEOPLE.
>> WORLDWIDE THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE KILLED BY COVID-19 HAS
HIT YET ANOTHER MILESTONE.
MORE THAN 600,000 PEOPLE HAVE
DIED AT THIS POINT IN THE
PANDEMIC.
HONG KONG IS RESPONDING TO A
SPIKE OF THE VIRUS BY ORDERING
THE MASKS TO BE WORN IN PUBLIC
THERE.
SOUTH AFRICA NOW RANKS AS THE
FIFTH WORST HIT COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD WITH 350,000 CASES, THAT'S
ABOUT HALF OF THE CASES ON THE
CONTINENT.
WHILE THE NUMBERS CLIMB IN THE
REST OF THE
WORST AFFECTED COUNTRIES,
RUSSIA, INDIA AND BRAZIL, THE
UNITED STATES REMAINS ON TOP.
BUT AS KATIE SIMPSON SHOWS US,
DONALD TRUMP CONTINUES TO INSIST
IT'S NOT HIS FAULT.
>> Reporter: TWO WEEKENDS IN A
ROW NOW THE PRESIDENT HAS SPENT
BOTH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY ON HIS
PRIVATE GOLF COURSE.
SOME DOWNTIME AFTER DOWNPLAYING
THE SERIOUSNESS OF COVID.
>> President Donald Trump:
MANY OF THOSE CASES ARE YOUNG
PEOPLE THAT WOULD HEAL IN A DAY.
THEY HAVE THE SNIFFLES AND WE
PUT IT DOWN AS A TEST.
>> Reporter: IN A FOX NEWS
INTERVIEW THAT AIRED TODAY,
DONALD TRUMP WAS CHALLENGED ON
SOME OF HIS CLAIMS ABOUT THE
U.S. RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC.
>> President Donald Trump: I
THINK WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST
MORTALITY RATES IN THE WORLD.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK.
>> Reporter: WE HAVE 900
DEATHS IN A SINGLE DAY -- THIS
WEEK --
>> President Donald Trump: WE
WILL TAKE A LOOK.
>> Reporter: TRUMP CALLED ON
HIS PRESS SECRETARY TO GET HIM
THE WHITE HOUSE DEATH RATE
NUMBERS WHICH ARE BASED ON
RANKINGS FROM THE EUROPEAN
CENTRES FOR DISEASE CONTROL.
>> President Donald Trump: YOU
HAVE THE NUMBERS, PLEASE.
BECAUSE I HEARD THAT WE HAD THE
BEST MORTALITY RATE.
>> Reporter: THE LIST THAT HE
WAS HANDED DID NOT INCLUDE SOME
COUNTRIES THAT HAVE A LOWER
MORTALITY RATE THAN THE U.S.,
THOUGH IT'S UNCLEAR IF TRUMP WAS
AWARE.
>> President Donald Trump: I
HOPE THAT YOU SHOW THIS BECAUSE
IT SHOWS WHAT FAKE NEWS IS ALL
ABOUT.
>> Reporter: I DON'T THINK I'M
FAKE NEWS --
>> President Donald Trump: YOU
SAID THAT WE HAD THE WORST
MORTALITY RATE IN THE WORLD
WHEN WE HAVE THE BEST.
>> Reporter: ACCORDING TO
JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY, THE
U.S. HAS THE 10th HIGHEST
MORTALITY RATE WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THE NUMBER OF DEATHS PER 100,000
PEOPLE.
>> IF WE DON'T COME TOGETHER AS
A NATION WITH NATIONAL
LEADERSHIP WE'LL SEE MORE PEOPLE
DIED.
>> Reporter: IN LOS ANGELES
WHERE PEOPLE LINED UP FOR HOURS
LAST WEEK TO GET TESTED, THE
MAYOR SAYS HE'S ON THE BRINK OF
ISSUING A NEW STAY-AT-HOME
MANDATE.
HE'S NOW CALLING ON THE WHITE
HOUSE TO BE MORE URGENT IN ITS
MESSAGING WITH THE PUBLIC.
>> WE KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE A
MARATHON.
AND STOP TELLING PEOPLE THAT
THIS WILL BE OVER SOON.
>> Reporter: TRUMP IS SAID TO
BE FRUSTRATED WITH POLLS
SUGGESTING THAT AMERICANS ARE
UNHAPPY WITH THE WAY THAT HE'S
HANDLED THE PANDEMIC.
A NEW ABC NEWS/"WASHINGTON POST"
POLL SHOWS THAT JOE BIDEN, HIS
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL
CHALLENGER, IS 15 POINTS AHEAD.
KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
>> Ian: HERE'S SOME OF THE OTHER
STORIES THAT WE'RE WATCHING THIS
SUNDAY NIGHT ON "THE
NATIONAL"...
>>> DEMOCRATS ARE DEMANDING AN
INVESTIGATION INTO GOVERNMENT
ACTION IN PORTLAND, OREGON.
FEDERAL AGENTS ARE ACCUSED OF
ARRESTING DEMONSTRATORS OFF THE
STREET WITHOUT CAUSE.
THE AGENTS WERE DEPLOYED BY
PRESIDENT TRUMP IN RESPONSE TO
WEEKS OF ANTI-BLACK RACISM
PROTESTS.
THE CITY'S MAYOR WANTS THE
TROOPS GONE.
>> THREE DIVISIONS FULL OF
POLICE
OFFICERS DURING COVID-19,
WORKING ON ALERT FOR PINK PAINT.
>> Ian: BLACK LIVES MATTER
TORONTO SAYS THAT THE ARREST OF
THREE DEMONSTRATORS WON'T STOP
THEIR ACTIVISM.
THEY WERE ARRESTED FOR ALLEGEDLY
DEFACING STATUES OF EDGERTON
RYERSON AND JOHN A. MacDONALD.
THE THREE ARE CHARGED WITH
MISCHIEF
UNDER $5,000.
>>> AND TURBULENT WEATHER ACROSS
SOUTHERN ONTARIO TODAY.
HIGH WINDS AND HEAVY RAIN POURED
DOWN AND THERE WAS PLENTY OF
LIGHTNING.
THERE WERE RARE TORNADO WARNINGS
IN PARTS OF SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO
FOR A FEW HOURS.
>>> TONIGHT A GLOBAL SCIENTIST
IS SHOWING US THE UNIVERSE AS WE
HAVE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE.
THEY HAVE CREATED THE LARGEST
MOST DETAILED 3D MAP THAT HAS
EVER EXISTED.
TALIA RICCI SPOKE WITH A
CANADIAN ON THE TEAM TO ASK WHAT
THIS BREAKTHROUGH MIGHT TEACH
US.
>> Reporter: WE WON'T BE
TRAVELLING BETWEEN GALAXIES
ANYTIME SOON.
BUT NOW WE DO HAVE A MAP.
THIS IS THE LARGEST MOST
DETAILED THREE-DIMENSIONAL MAP
OF THE UNIVERSE EVER TO EXIST.
>> LET'S GO ON A JOURNEY --
>> Reporter: IT WAS CREATED
OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.
BUT IT SPANS 11 BILLION YEARS OF
COSMIC HISTORY.
THAT'S A LOT TO TAKE IN.
SO WE ASKED ONE OF THE LEAD
RESEARCHERS, A CANADIAN, TO
BREAK IT DOWN FOR US.
IT GOES A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD
MAYBE TEACH ME A LITTLE PHYSICS?
>> A LITTLE PHYSICS?
[laughter]
>> SO OUR MAP EXISTS OF THE
THREE-DIMENSIONAL POSITIONS OF
THOSE GALAXIES.
IT'S RATHER LIKE IF YOU HAVE A
MAP OF CANADA BUT YOUR MAP WAS
ONLY THE PEAKS OF THE MOUNTAINS.
>> Reporter: PERIVAL HAS
DEDICATED 15 YEARS TO THIS,
WORKING WITH ASTROPHYSICISTS
FROM AROUND THE WORLD.
THEY USED THE SLOAN FOUNDATION
TELESCOPE TO CREATE A MAP OF
UNIMAGINABLE PROPORTIONS.
>> IF WE TAKE THE DISTANCE FROM
THE EARTH TO THE SUN AS ONE
UNIT, THIS MAP IS A MILLION
BILLION TIMES LARGER THAN THAT.
>> Reporter: PERIVAL CALLS
IT A GOLD MINE OF INFORMATION
AND COSMOLOGISTS LIKE CYNTHIA
CHIANG ARE READY TO DIG.
>> THE KIND OF MAPS THAT THEY'RE
MAKING ARE HELPING US TO LEARN
ABOUT THE EXPANSION HISTORY OF
THE UNIVERSE.
PARTICULARLY
TO STUDY WHAT WE THINK OF AS A
GROWTH SPURT THAT IS INTRODUCED
BY DARK ENERGY.
THAT IS THE TECHNICAL TERM FOR
STUFF IN THE UNIVERSE THAT WE
DON'T UNDERSTAND AT ALL.
>> Reporter: BUT PERIVAL SAYS
IT'S WHAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT IS
MOST EXCITING.
>> I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC
SHOULD BE EXCITED THAT THERE ARE
THINGS THAT ARE STILL UNKNOWN IN
THE UNIVERSE.
THERE ARE THINGS TO DISCOVER.
THERE'S PHYSICS OUT THERE THAT
WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
(*)
>> THAT AWAY --
>> Reporter: TO THE FUTURE,
WHERE RESEARCHERS LIKE PERIVAL
HOPE TO HARNESS THEIR
ACHIEVEMENTS AND MAKE NEW
DISCOVERIES.
TALIA RICCI, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Ian: THE TORONTO BLUE JAYS
ARE LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME.
>> THE PLAYERS ARE IN A FLIGHT
HOLDING PATTERN RIGHT NOW.
>> Ian: UP NEXT ON "THE
NATIONAL," WHAT A RETURN-TO-PLAY 
IN THE UNITED STATES MEANS FOR
CANADA'S TEAM.
>>> PLUS, GORDON LIGHTFOOT OPENS
UP ABOUT HIS LIFE AND CAREER.
WHAT DID HE SAY WHEN HE HEARD
"WRECK OF THE EDMUND" GERALD,"
WHAT DID PAUL SIMON SAY?
>> I LIKE IT.
>> Ian: OUR CONVERSATION WITH
THE CANADIAN ICON IN OUR "SUNDAY
INTERVIEW."
>>> LATER, BACK ON DRY LAND
AFTER NINE MONTHS ALONE AT SEA.
>> WOO!
>> Ian: HOW IT FEELS TO RETURN
TO A COMPLETELY NEW REALITY.
>> THAT WAS THE SCARIEST NIGHT
FOR ME.
I SPIKED TO 104.5° FEVER.
>> Ian: THAT'S THE ATLANTA
BRAVES' FIRST BASEMAN FREDDY
FREEMAN,
WITH HIS HARROWING ACCOUNT OF
GETTING THROUGH COVID-19.
>> I SAID A LITTLE PRAYER THAT
NIGHT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE
NEVER BEEN THAT HOT BEFORE.
MY BODY WAS REALLY, REALLY HOT
SO I SAID, PLEASE DON'T TAKE ME.
I WASN'T READY, YOU KNOW.
>> Ian: FREEMAN WAS BACK ON THE
FIELD SATURDAY AFTER A SECOND
COVID TEST CAME BACK NEGATIVE.
BUT THIS WEEKEND MAJOR LEAGUE
BASEBALL REPORTED SIX NEW CASES
FOR MORE THAN 10,000 TESTS OF
PLAYERS AND STAFF.
CONCERN ABOUT THE VIRUS IS
DRASTICALLY RESHAPING A SEASON
THAT KICKS
OFF LATER THIS WEEK.
NOW THAT CANADA HAS BARRED GAMES
IN TORONTO, BRIAR STEWART SHOWS
US HOW THE BLUE JAYS WILL COPE
AND WHO ELSE IS FEELING THE
IMPACT.
>> Reporter: NO NEED FOR A
HEADS UP WHEN THERE'S A FLY BALL
THESE DAYS, NO ONE IS IN THE
STANDS.
JUST SOME CARDBOARD CUTOUTS
SITTING IN FOR FANS.
THE MAJOR LEAGUE PRESEASON IS
UNDERWAY IN THE U.S. BUT NO
GAMES WILL BE PLAYED
IN TORONTO THIS SEASON.
>> THAT'S TOUGH.
THAT'S TOUGH.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S
SMART, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEM GO
BACK AND FORTH TO THE STATES.
SO I WAS EXPECTING THIS.
>> Reporter: THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT HAS BANNED THE JAYS
FROM PLAYING AT HOME BECAUSE
OFFICIALS BELIEVE THAT THE RISK
OF COVID TRANSMISSION IS TOO
HIGH.
PARTICULARLY NOW THAT CASES IN
THE U.S. ARE SURGING.
>> WE RESPECT THE DECISION.
IT'S NOT HARD TO REFLECT AND
THINK ABOUT HOW WELL MANAGED,
HOW WELL LED THE VIRUS HAS BEEN
THROUGHOUT TORONTO AND CANADA.
>> Reporter: SO THE JAYS WILL
NEED A NEW HOME.
THEY MAY PLAY IN FLORIDA WHERE
THE TEAM DOES SPRING TRAINING OR
BUFFALO, NEW YORK, WHERE ITS
TRIPLE-A TEAM PLAYS.
WHILE THE MAJOR LEAGUE IS SET TO
BEGIN GAMES ON JULY 24th, THE
MINOR LEAGUE HAS BEEN SHELVED
ALL TOGETHER.
THERE ARE NO GAMES THIS SEASON
AND 164 STADIUMS LIKE THIS ONE
ARE SITTING VACANT IN NORTH
AMERICA.
>> WELL, THE PLAYERS ARE I GUESS
KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN A
FLIGHT HOLDING PATTERN RIGHT
NOW.
>> Reporter: ROB BAY WORKS FOR
THE VANCOUVER CANADIANS, A
SINGLE-A TEAM AFFILIATED WITH
THE JAYS.
>> WHAT IS SWEPT UNDER THE
CARPET IS MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.
AND ALL OF THESE PLAYERS WHO,
AGAIN, DON'T MAKE A LOT OF MONEY
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE ENDS
MEET AND SUPPORT THEIR YOUNG
FAMILIES AS WELL.
THEY'RE AT HOME LIFTING WEIGHTS,
WONDERING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
THIS YEAR.
>> LIVING IN AN ALTERNATE
UNIVERSE --
>> Reporter: AS FOR THE
MAJOR LEAGUES THE 60 GAME SEASON
WILL LOOK DIFFERENT.
NO TEAM DUGOUT AND THE PLAYERS
AND STAFF ARE BEING TESTED FOR
COVID-19 EVERY 48 HOURS.
IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS 23 HAVE
TESTED POSITIVE.
DESPITE THAT, THE LEAGUE
BELIEVES THAT IT HAS ENOUGH
PRECAUTIONS IN PLACE AND IT'S
TIME TO PLAY BALL.
>> AND RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE --
>> Reporter: BRIAR STEWART,
CBC NEWS, VANCOUVER.
>> Ian: COVID-19 HASN'T JUST
CHANGED LIVES IN CANADA BUT
TAKEN THEM BY THE THOUSANDS.
TONIGHT REBECCA LOWE REMEMBERS
HER PARENTS WHOSE LONG LIVES
TOGETHER ENRICHED SO MANY
OTHERS.
(*)
>> MY NAME IS REBECCA LOWE.
I LOST BOTH OF MY PARENTS TO
COVID-19 WITHIN DAYS OF EACH
OTHER IN APRIL 2020.
MY PARENTS WERE CHILDHOOD
SWEETHEARTS.
THEY WERE BORN IN HONG KONG AND
LIVED THROUGH THE JAPANESE
OCCUPATION DURING WORLD WAR II.
AFTER MY CONTRACTED TUBERCULOSIS
AS A TEENAGER SHE CONVALESCED IN
THE HILLS ON THE PROPERTY OF A
BUDDHIST PASTOR.
THIS IS THE VIEW THAT MOM LOOKED
OUT TO WHEN SHE LIVED HERE.
AFTER THEY ESTABLISHED THE
SCHOOL HERE, MOM WAS HIRED TO
TEACH CHINESE AND MATHEMATICS
AND THEY BECAME OUR
LIFE-LONG FRIEND.
MOM WORKED AS AN ARCHITECT AND
HELPED WITH THE SCHOOL DESIGN.
ALTHOUGH MY PARENTS LOVED HONG
KONG, THEY WANTED US TO HAVE A
BROADER EDUCATION.
WE MOVED TO TORONTO IN 1975.
THE MOVE WAS A BIG CHANGE FOR
MOM.
IN CANADA SHE SUDDENLY BECAME A
HOUSEWIFE WITH THREE YOUNG
CHILDREN.
HER LACK OF ENGLISH MADE LIFE
EVEN MORE CHALLENGING.
EVENTUALLY SHE FOUND HER
IDENTITY AGAIN THROUGH PART-TIME
WORK AND VOLUNTEERING AT CHINESE
HERITAGE COMMITTEE.
DAD LOVED LIFE IN CANADA.
HE TOOK US ON TRIPS TO MONTRÉAL,
NEW YORK, AND NIAGARA FALLS IN
OUR HUGE FORD STATION WAGON.
WE ALWAYS WENT TO THE C.N.E. AND
PANORAMA ISLAND BECAUSE DAD
NEVER PAID FOR PARKING.
DAD WORKED AS A DRAFTSMEN UNTIL
THE EARLY 1990s.
HE ALSO LECTURED ON BUDDHISM AT
THE TORONTO TEMPLE AND OTHER
FACILITIES
OPERATED BY THE BUDDHIST
ASSOCIATION OF CANADA.
AFTER HE RETIRED, HE BECAME MORE
DEVOTED TO MEDITATION AND
TEACHING.
IT WAS DIFFICULT TO WATCH MOM
AND DAD DECLINE MENTALLY AND
PHYSICALLY WHEN THEY REACHED
THEIR 80s.
I WILL ALWAYS THINK OF MY
PARENTS AS A PAIR OF BUTTERFLY
LOVERS, FOREVER TOGETHER, FLYING
TO THEIR GREAT ADVENTURE IN
CANADA WITH A YOUNG FAMILY WHILE
NEVER FORGETTING THEIR ROOTS IN
HONG KONG.
(*)
>> Ian: MORE THAN 8,800
CANADIANS HAVE DIED AFTER
CONTRACTING COVID-19.
WE HAVE GATHERED SOME OF THEIR
STORIES ONLINE AND YOU CAN FIND
THEM AT CBC.CA/REMEMBER.
>>> WHEN WE COME BACK "THE
NATIONAL" INTERVIEW WITH GORDON
LIGHTFOOT.
>> I CREATED EMOTIONAL TRAUMA IN
A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE.
>> Ian: THE CANADIAN ICON ON HIS
BIGGEST REGRETS AND HIS BIGGEST
HITS.
THAT'S NEXT.
>> THERE'S ONE RIGHT UP THERE.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO LISTEN
TO HIS RECORDS AND YOU KNOW WHY
HE'S DOING SO WELL.
>> Ian: IT SEEMS THAT NO TYPE
THE MUSIC THAT GORDON LIGHTFOOT
IS STILL CONNECTED.
THERE HE IS PAYING CONNECTION TO
HIS NEIGHBOUR, DRAKE.
HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO MUSIC ARE
LEGENDARY.
I HAD A CHANCE TO INTERVIEW HIM
IN HIS HOME IN THE END OF
JANUARY AND LOOK BACK ON HIS
LONG CAREER AND HOW HE FEELS
ABOUT HIS PAST, INCLUDING
PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.
HERE'S SOME OF THAT
CONVERSATION.
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, GORDON
LIGHTFOOT.
>> LET'S MAKE HIM WELCOME,
MR. GORDON LIGHTFOOT.
>> Ian: HE'S ONE OF THE MOST
ICONIC CANADIAN MUSICIANS OF ALL
TIME.
HIS SONGS, SOME 200 OF THEM,
WEAVED INTO THE FABRIC OF THE
COUNTRY.
(*)
(singing).
[Applause]
>> Ian: GORDON LIGHTFOOT HAS
BEEN PERFORMING FOR MORE THAN
HALF A CENTURY.
>> * EVERYBODY'S MOVING 
* NOTHING STAYS THE SAME 
>> Ian: HIS SOUND HELPED DEFINE
THE FOLKSY EXPLOSION OF THE
1960s.
A VERY CANADIAN STAR WITH
INTERNATIONAL APPEAL.
HIS SONGS HAVE BEEN RECORDED BY
A LONG LIST OF MUSIC GIANTS,
FROM JOHNNY CASH TO NEIL YOUNG,
SINATRA TO ELVIS.
LIGHTFOOT EVEN INSPIRED AN
ANTHEM OF THE DISCO ERA.
>> * IF YOU COULD READ MY MIND
LOVE *
* WHAT A TALE MY THOUGHTS WOULD
TELL *
* JUST LIKE 
* AN OLD-TIME MOVIE  ABOUT A
GHOST *
* FROM A WISHING WELL 
>> Ian: EVERY SONG TELLS A STORY
FROM RAILWAYS TO ROMANCE, YOU
CAN FEEL HIS WORDS.
THE GREAT BOB DYLAN CALLS
LIGHTFOOT HIS FAVORITE
SINGER/SONGWRITER AND EVEN
HELPED TO INDUCT HIM INTO THE
CANADIAN MUSIC HALL OF FAME.
>> I HAVE KNOWN GORDON FOR A
LONG TIME.
AND I KNOW HE'S BEEN OFFERED
THIS AWARD BEFORE,
BUT HE HAS NEVER ACCEPTED IT
BECAUSE HE WANTED ME TO COME AND
GIVE IT TO HIM.
>> Ian: LIGHTFOOT'S STORIED
CAREER IS NOW THE FOCUS OF A NEW
DOCUMENTARY ON GEM.
AND HE'S NOT NEARLY FINISHED.
THE 81-YEAR-OLD HAS JUST
RELEASED A NEW ALBUM AND PLANS
TO TOUR ONCE COVID-19
RESTRICTIONS ARE LIFTED.
I HAD A RARE CHANCE TO TALK TO
GORDON LIGHTFOOT IN HIS HOME
JUST BEFORE THE PANDEMIC HIT.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS NOT A
PROFOUND QUESTION AT ALL.
I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THIS
ROOM.
DO WE CALL IT THE MUSIC ROOM?
>> YES, I DO.
>> Ian: YEAH?
IT JUST LOOKS FANTASTIC.
TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS
ROOM.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE THREE
GUITARS -- I GUESS FOUR HERE,
AND THAT ONE IS BATTERED THERE
BUT THAT'S YOUR BELOVED ONE,
RIGHT?
>> WELL, SOMETIMES YOUR LOVED
ONE CAN BE A PROBLEM.
[laughter]
IT IS.
IT'S AN OLD GUITAR AND I FOUND
IT YEARS AGO.
I WAS STAYING AT THE KING OF THE
ROAD HOTEL DOWN IN NASHVILLE
WORKING ON A RECORD AND I FOUND
IT IN A RECORD STORE, OR AN
INSTRUMENT STORE.
AND I BOUGHT IT FOR, OH, A
COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS.
AND NOW IT'S MY MAIN MARTIN
GUITAR FOR ON STAGE.
>> Ian: AND THERE'S A LITTLE
THING CUT OUT THAT SAYS "ANGER
CAN KILL YOU."
IS THAT JUST A LITTLE REMINDER
FOR YOU?
>> YEAH, IT IS, IT IS.
I'VE GOT A SHORT FUSE TOO, YOU
KNOW, SOMETIMES.
>> Ian: STILL?
>> YEAH, EVEN NOW.
>> Ian: BECAUSE YOU SEEM LIKE
SUCH A CALM GENTLE PERSON.
>> WELL, I TRY TO STAY THAT WAY,
YOU KNOW, IT'S PART -- I REALLY
TRY TO BE FRIENDLY AND GET ALONG
WITH PEOPLE.
(*)
* DO YOU EVER GET TIRED OF
WORRYING *
* JUST A LITTLE BIT 
>> Ian: LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR
NEW ALBUM.
ONE SONG KIND OF STANDS OUT
BECAUSE IT'S VERY PLAYFUL ON THE
ALBUM.
I THINK THAT IT'S CALLED "JUST A
LITTLE BIT."
AND THEN THERE'S SOME SONGS THAT
ARE MORE WISTFUL AND MAYBE EVEN
A LITTLE MELANCHOLY ON THAT
ALBUM.
>> THERE'S SONGS OF ANGUISH ON
THERE.
THERE'S SONGS ABOUT
NIGHTMARISH -- THE GUY IS HAVING
A NIGHTMARE AND DREAMING AND
HE'S SAYING AT NIGHT I'M
DRIFTING IN A SEA OF DESPAIR.
I SEE A BIMBO AND THERE IS NO
BODY THERE.
WHERE ARE THE GIRLS IN MY LIFE.
>> Ian: SO THAT DOES SEEM TO BE
A THEME, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, YEAH.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT KIND OF A
THEME.
>> Ian: BUT I THINK OF THE
DOCUMENTARY AND YOU VERY
EXPLICITLY TALK ABOUT SOME
REGRETS IN THAT DOCUMENTARY IN
TERMS OF RELATIONSHIPS WITH
WOMEN OVER THE YEARS.
>> I REGRET IT VERY MUCH.
A LOT OF IT.
I CREATED EMOTIONAL TRAUMA IN A
WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND DIDN'T REALLY KNOW THAT I
WAS DOING IT AT THE TIME, BUT I
WAS.
I WAS HURTING PEOPLE'S FEELINGS.
I LEARNED TO BE VERY CAREFUL
ABOUT THAT AFTER MANY YEARS IN
THE BUSINESS.
BUT THE TRAUMA THAT I HAVE
BROUGHT ON TO OTHER PEOPLE I
REGRET VERY HIGHLY.
>> Ian: LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR
MUSIC.
AND NOT JUST THE NEW MUSIC, BUT
THE OLD MUSIC.
I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF THAT
SOMEBODY WHO IS MY AGE GREW UP
WITH YOUR MUSIC AND I KNOW YOUR
MUSIC SO WELL AND I LOVE IT.
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
WATCHING THIS WHO ARE MAYBE NEW
TO CANADA OR ARE YOUNGER, YOU
KNOW, AND THEY DON'T KNOW YOUR
MUSIC.
IF WE WERE TO MAKE A PLAYLIST,
KIND OF THE ESSENTIAL PLAYLIST
OF GORDON LIGHTFOOT FOR SOME OF
THOSE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
SHOULD BE ON IT, I MEAN, AT THE
TOP OF MY LIST I'D PUT "IF YOU
COULD READ MY MIND."
* I NEVER KNEW THAT I COULD
FEEL THIS WAY *
* AND I'VE GOT TO SAY THAT I
JUST DON'T GET IT *
* I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WENT
WRONG *
* BUT THE FEELING IS GONE AND I
JUST CAN'T GET IT BACK *
>> Ian: LET ME THROW OUT A FEW
OTHER NAMES THAT I WOULD PUT ON
THE LIST AND YOU TELL ME, DON'T
BUT IT ON THAT LIST OR WHY IT
SHOULD BE ON IT.
"THE WRECK OF THE EDMUND
FITZGERALD."
>> "THE WRECK" "SUNDOWN."
"EARLY CANADIAN RAIN," "CANADIAN
RAILROAD TRILOGY."
"CAREFREE HIGHWAY."
>> Ian: THE ONLY ONE IS "SONG
FOR WINTER'S NIGHT" THAT YOU
DIDN'T ACTUALLY WRITE IN CANADA,
RIGHT?
>> IT WAS WRITTEN ON THE ROAD.
>> Ian: IN THE SUMMERTIME?
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE A
QUINTESSENTIAL CANADIAN WINTER
SONG.
>> * THERE IS STILL IN THE
SILENCE OF
MY ROOM *
* I HEAR YOUR VOICE SOFTLY
CALLING *
>> Ian: ONE OF THE REALLY COOL
THINGS ABOUT YOU IS, I MEAN, YOU
STAYED IN TORONTO ALL THIS TIME,
BUT ALSO YOU REALLY HAVE
EXPLORED RURAL CANADA.
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN, NUMBER ONE, ON BILLBOARD
CHART HAVE ALSO CANOED THROUGH
ALL OF THESE CANADIAN RIVERS
AND, YOU KNOW, ENJOYED THE
WILDLIFE THERE.
HAS IT HAD AN IMPACT ON YOU AS A
PERSON?
HAS IT CHANGED YOU AT ALL AS A
PERSON, BEING IN THOSE PLACES?
>> I NEVER ACTUALLY FORGET THE
ANIMALS, MEETING THEM
FACE-TO-FACE IN THOSE
SITUATIONS.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE STANDING AND
LOOKING AT IT AND IT'S STANDING
15 FEET AWAY FROM YOU -- LOOKING
AT YOU, YOU
KNOW -- I'VE ACTUALLY WRITTEN
ONE OF MY BEST TUNES ON A TRIP.
I WROTE A SONG CALLED "SHADOWS
UP" UP THERE ONE TIME.
* I'VE BEEN ALL AROUND THE WORLD
* THERE'S A SHADOW IN THE WATERS
* HERE BELOW 
* THEY DON'T SHINE THE WAY THEY
SHOULD *
* AND I LOVE YOU JUST IN CASE
YOU DIDN'T KNOW *
* THAT IT GOES 
>> Ian: THERE'S AN INTERESTING
STORY ABOUT THAT SONG "SHADOWS."
APPARENTLY YOUR FRIEND BOB DYLAN
WAS PLAYING A SHOW IN EDMONTON A
FEW YEARS BACK AND A FAN SHOUTED
IT OUT AS A REQUEST.
HE KNOWS IT AND HE SANG IT.
I KNOW THAT YOU'VE HAD THIS LONG
RELATIONSHIP WITH BOB DYLAN.
>> WE HAVE MORE FUN JUST HANGING
OUT.
AND IT WAS LIKE -- IT WAS LIKE
MORE OF LIKE A LAUGH THAN
ANYTHING ELSE.
>> Ian: BUT THAT HE WOULD KNOW
YOUR SONG SO WELL AND THAT A FAN
WOULD KNOW TO SHOUT THAT OUT IN
A CONCERT, AND IN AN INSTANT HE
JUST ADDS IT TO HIS SET.
>> I KNOW ABOUT THAT.
I WAS QUITE SURPRISED BY THAT,
ACTUALLY.
>> Ian: THE SONG THAT YOU WROTE
ON A CANOE TRIP.
>> YES.
SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT GOES.
[laughter]
>> Ian: TELL ME ABOUT THE
CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO OF
YOU, ESPECIALLY IN THE 1960s
AND 1970s.
>> WELL, OKAY.
I REMEMBER YEARS BEFORE THE
WOODSTOCK FESTIVAL JUST HANGING
OUT WITH ALL OF THOSE GUYS AND
THEIR WIVES AND MY FIRST WIFE,
SARAH, AND OUR CHILDREN, ALL
PLAYING TOGETHER.
AND THE MARQUETTES PLAYED
TOGETHER.
OUR CHILDREN PLAYED TOGETHER.
AT ONE POINT MY HOUSE IN
ROSEDALE HERE WAS LIKE PARTY
CENTRAL, PARTY CENTRAL FOR A
WHOLE LOT OF THESE PEOPLE
BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY LIKE EIGHT
MINUTES FROM DOWNTOWN.
>> Ian: SO OVER THE YEARS WHO
HAS BEEN IN YOUR HOUSE TO PARTY
OR TO PLAY MUSIC?
SO BOB DYLAN AND JOAN BAEZ.
PAUL SIMON I THINK ONE TIME?
>> YEAH, HE'S BEEN THERE.
>> Ian: YEAH?
>> HE CAME UP TO MY HOUSE AFTER
A PARTY ONE NIGHT.
AND HE WAS THERE FOR TWO OR
THREE HOURS AND WE HAD SOME
PEOPLE UP THERE.
BUT I TOOK HIM UP TO THE THIRD
FLOOR AND I PLAYED HIM "THE
WRECK OF THE EDMUND FITZGERALD"
BECAUSE I HAD JUST WRITTEN IT
ABOUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE.
AND I SAID CHECK THIS ONE OUT.
AND HE SAT AND LISTENED TO IT
RIGHT THROUGH.
I LOVED THEIR WORK.
I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED SIMON AND
GARFUNKEL'S WORK SO MUCH.
>> Ian: HANG ON A SECOND.
SO YOU PLAYED FOR HIM
"THE WRECK OF THE EDMUND
FITZGERALD" BEFORE ANYONE IN THE
PUBLIC HAD HEARD IT?
>> YEAH, HE WAS THE FIRST
PERSON.
>> Ian: HE'S THE "BRIDGE OVER
TROUBLED WATER" GUY, RIGHT?
I MEAN HE WROTE SO MANY
GREAT SONGS BUT AN EPIC SONG AS
WELL.
WHAT DID HE SAY WHEN HE HEARD
"THE WRECK OF THE EDMUND
FITZGERALD"?
WHAT DID PAUL SIMON SAY?
>> HE SAID, I LIKE IT, YOU KNOW.
I LIKE IT.
GEE, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
>> Ian: SO YOU'RE ALL FINISHED
WITH THIS.
YOU SEEM LIKE A CONTENTED GUY.
NEW ALBUM OUT, DOCUMENTARY
CELEBRATING YOUR INCREDIBLE
CAREER.
YOU'RE STILL TOURING.
WHAT'S LEFT, ANYTHING LEFT ON
YOUR TO-DO LIST?
>> NO, I'M GOING TO STAY -- I'M
GOING TO STAY -- I WANT TO STAY
HAPPY.
I WANT TO STAY HAPPY.
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, I'M
GOING TO STAY HAPPY.
>> Ian: WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT
YOU FULLY APPRECIATE HOW MANY
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TOUCHED BY YOUR
MUSIC AND STILL ARE.
AND I'VE TOLD YOU THAT THERE ARE
SONGS OF YOURS THAT I COULD
LISTEN TO IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE
AND ANY TIME AND THEY'RE REALLY
JUST MOVING.
IT'S A REMARKABLE THING.
SO IT'S REALLY NICE TO HAVE A
CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Ian: AFTER THE BREAK, STAND
UP FOR MENTAL HEALTH.
>> MY FAMILY ACTUALLY HAS NO
HISTORY AT ALL OF ANY MENTAL
ILLNESS EVER BEING DISCUSSED.
[laughter]
>> Ian: FROM STIGMA TO COMEDIC
RELIEF.
WE'LL REVISIT THE INITIATIVE
>> THE PANDEMIC HAS TAKEN A TOLL
ON A LOT OF CANADIANS' MENTAL
HEALTH, AND FOR MANY THOSE KIND
OF ISSUES ARE HARD TO TALK
ABOUT, LET ALONE JOKE ABOUT.
BUT A COMEDY CLUB IN VANCOUVER
HELPS PEOPLE DO JUST THAT TO
HELP THEM HEAL.
IT MOVED ONLINE DURING THE
PANDEMIC BUT BEFORE THAT DAVID
COMMON BROUGHT US THIS LOOK
INSIDE.
>> Reporter: WHAT'S ABOUT TO
HAPPEN SEEMS ALMOST
UNBELIEVABLE.
>> I COULD NEVER DO IT.
WE HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS.
VERY PROUD OF US.
>> I'M PROUD OF US TOO.
>> Reporter: JUST A FEW YEARS
AGO WENDY LAMB COULDN'T LEAVE
HER HOUSE AND NOW --
>> WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PHYSICAL
AND MENTAL HEALTH, WE SHOULD
PEOPLE UP --
>> Reporter: SHE'S STEPPING ON
STAGE AND JOKING ABOUT HER OWN
MENTAL ILLNESS.
>> AS A LIFE-LONG PEOPLE PLEASER
I NEED TO START SETTING
BOUNDARIES.
SO WHEN MY THERAPIST INSISTED
THAT I PRACTISE SAYING NO, I
ADAMANTLY REFUSED.
[laughter]
I ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED SEXUAL
ABUSE, THE TRAUMA THAT I
EXPERIENCED I SORT OF PUSHED
DOWN, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T UNTIL
I WAS 40 YEARS OLD THAT I JUST
COULDN'T DO IT ANYMORE.
I COULDN'T PRETEND TO BE OKAY
AND NORMAL AND PUT ON A HAPPY
FACE FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
CLARA, THIS IS MY HUSBAND
DENNIS.
>> Reporter: WENDY NEEDED HELP
AND FOUND IT NOT JUST IN THERAPY
BUT ALSO IN SOMETHING CALLED
"STAND UP FOR MENTAL HEALTH."
>> I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THERE
AREN'T MORE PROGRAMMES LIKE THIS
TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT OUR PAST
EXPERIENCES AND OUR HARDSHIPS IN
A DIFFERENT LIGHT.
IT'S VERY FREEING.
>> YOU GET TO TELL, LIKE, THE
WORST
THINGS ABOUT YOURSELF, ALL OF
THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SO
ASHAMED OF AND ALL OF A SUDDEN
THEY JUST BECOME GREAT COMEDY
MATERIAL.
>> Reporter: THE PROGRAMME IS
THE BRAINCHILD OF DAVID GRENIER,
AN ENTREPRENEUR, COMIC, MENTAL
HEALTH COUNSELLOR, SOMEONE WHO
STRUGGLED HIMSELF.
I'VE HAD MY OWN MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES.
I HAVE DEPRESSION.
AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH
EVERYTHING, SUICIDE ATTEMPTS,
HOSPITALIZATIONS, I'M ON MEDS
AND DONE TONNES OF THERAPY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE PEOPLE
SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
>> MY FAMILY ACTUALLY HAS NO
HISTORY AT ALL OF ANY MENTAL
ILLNESS EVER BEING DISCUSSED.
[laughter]
>> THE BEST COMPLIMENT THAT I
EVER
HAD WERE TWO GUYS TALKING AFTER
THE SHOW.
AND ONE OF THEM SAID THAT GUY
WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA WAS
HILARIOUS.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU HEAR HILARIOUS
AND
SCHIZOPHRENIA IN THE SAME
SENTENCE?
>> IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THOUGH,
IT'S REALLY HARD FOR A FISH TO
COMMIT SUICIDE.
IT COULDN'T DROWN ITSELF.
I WAS LIKE -- LET'S JUST GO
WITH IT.
AND THEN BECAUSE I HAVE
BEEN STARING AT THESE
LIGHTS FOR SO LONG --
THERE'S A CIRCLE HERE
AND I'M LIKE --
>> Reporter: HE'S RUN THE
PROGRAMME FOR 15 YEARS, AND
TRAINED 300 COMICS IN THAT TIME.
NOT AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR THERAPY,
BUT AS PART OF HEALING.
HIS GOAL IS SIMPLE -- PEEL AWAY
THE STIGMA.
>> SO INSTEAD OF THEY'RE WEAK OR
DANGEROUS, YOU SEE PEOPLE THAT
ARE FRIENDLY, LIKEABLE,
FRIENDLY.
ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT YOU
WOULDN'T ASSOCIATE WITH MENTAL
HEALTH.
>> WHEN I WAS 7, I WAS ONE OF
HUNDREDS OF VIETNAMESE REFUGEES
CRAMMED ON TO A FISHING BOAT.
WE SHARED A COMMUNAL TOILET AND
COULDN'T BRUSH OUR TEETH OR
BATHE FOR EIGHT DAYS.
WE WEREN'T EXACTLY FRESH OFF THE
BOAT.
[laughter]
>> Reporter: TONIGHT IT'S
WENDY'S GRADUATION, FROM A
SIX-MONTH PROGRAMME WHERE
PARTICIPANTS LEARNED THE CRAFT
TO STAND UP AND HONE THEIR
MATERIAL.
>> IT MEANS A LOT.
I HAVE BEEN FEELING LIKE AFTER
TONIGHT THAT I AM NO LONGER THE
SAME PERSON.
AND WE TALK ABOUT EMBARRASSING
OR PAINFUL STUFF.
AND IT IS A RELIEF TO DO THAT.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS
THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING WHO
ARE SUPPORTING US.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY FEELING HEARD.
>> I'M ALSO BIPOLAR, BY THE WAY.
THAT MEANS THAT THIS IS GOING TO
GO ONE OF TWO WAY IT'S --
[laughter]
>> Reporter: THIS PROGRAMME
HAS PROVED SO SUCCESSFUL, IT'S
BEING REPLICATED IN OTHER
COUNTRIES.
EVEN AFTER YEARS OF DOING IT.
EACH CLASS STILL A SURPRISE FOR
DAVID.
>> I'M JUST LEFT THINKING WHAT
AN AMAZING THING.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY, BUT
THEY'RE SAYING IT, AND WE'RE
LAUGHING WITH THEM.
AND WHAT COULD BE BETTER THAN
THAT?
>> NOT SAYING ALL CHINESE PEOPLE
ARE BAD DRIVERS BUT --
>> Reporter: FOR THE VETERANS,
THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE
PROGRAMME AND COME OUT THE OTHER
SIDE, THIS REMAINS A PLACE OF
ACCEPTANCE AND UNDERSTANDING.
CONFRONTING STIGMA UNDER THE
SPOTLIGHT.
>> THE 2019 GRADUATING CLASS FOR
STAND-UP FOR MENTAL HEALTH
HEALTH SHOWCASE.
>> Reporter: DAVID COMMON, CBC
NEWS, VANCOUVER.
>> Ian: STILL AHEAD IN OUR
"MOMENT," WHAT ONE B.C. MAN WAS
ABLE TO ACHIEVE WITH A SAILBOAT
AND THE STARS.
>>> BUT FIRST, BUCKINGHAM PALACE
RELEASED PHOTOS OF PRINCESS
BEATRICE'S WEDDING.
THE PRIVATE CEREMONY TOOK PLACE
FRIDAY AT WINDSOR CASTLE.
NOTABLY PRINCESS BEATRICE'S
FATHER, PRINCE ANDREW, WAS
>> Ian: IT DOESN'T GET MORE
SOCIALLY DISTANT THAN THIS -- A
B.C. MAN JUST SPENT THE LAST
NINE MONTHS SAILING THE WORLD
AROUND WHAT MARINERS CALL THE
GREAT CAPES ENTIRELY SOLO,
WITHOUT ELECTRONIC NAVIGATIONAL
TOOLS.
HE'S THE FIRST NORTH NORTHERN
SUCCESSFULLY DO THIS, AND AFTER
NEARLY NINE MONTHS AT SEA, BURT
RETURNED HOME TO VICTORIA
YESTERDAY.
HIS EMOTIONAL RETURN IS
TONIGHT'S "MOMENT."
(*)
>> WOO!
>> WOO-HOO!
>> AND I MAY NOT BE SMART BUT
I'M PERSISTENT AND YOU HAVE TO
BE PERSISTENT.
NEVER GIVE UP.
>> IMAGINE IF YOU DID SOMETHING
EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT AND
EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE WORLD WAS
CHEERING YOU ON, TO ACTUALLY
SUCCEED, HOW POWERFUL THAT IS.
AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND IT'S
COMPLETELY VIRTUAL BECAUSE I
HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE INTERNET
AND NO ACCESS TO SOCIAL MEDIA.
I FELT THAT THERE WAS AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR A CANADIAN TO
GET IN THE RECORD BOOKS AS ONE
OF THE VERY, VERY FEW PEOPLE TO
GO AROUND THE WORLD USING ONLY
TRADITIONALLAL NAVIGATIONAL
EQUIPMENT AND UP TO TWO YEARS
AGO ONLY TWO PEOPLE HAD DONE
THAT.
>> Ian: FOR A SECOND TIME IN A
ROW WE WILL MAKE REFERENCE TO
CANADIAN SERVICES.
, THAT ALLOWED THAT WEDDING ON
THE BORDER AND IN THIS CASE NINE
MONTHS SOLO AT SEA, GUESS
WHAT -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO
ISOLATE QUARANTINE FOR 14 DAYS
WHEN YOU GET BACK TO CANADA.
HE'S FREE TO MOVE AROUND BRITISH
COLUMBIA.
THAT IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR
SUNDAY, JULY 19th.
GOOD NIGHT.
