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>> Carole: THE NATIONAL SYMBOL 
OF GRIEF AND LOSS.
THE CANADIAN FLAG FLYING AT 
HALF-MAST IN NOVA SCOTIA AND THE
NATION'S CAPITAL.
FLYING IN HONOUR OF NOVA SCOTIA 
AND THE MANY VICTIMS WHO DIED IN
ONE OF THE WORST MASS KILLINGS 
THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN.
GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I'M CAROLE MacNEIL.
THIS IS THE CBC NEWS SPECIAL.
WHAT HAPPENED IN NOVA SCOTIA 
THIS PAST WEEKEND IS EVERY 
COMMUNITY'S WORST NIGHTMARE.
A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY 
TURNING ON HIS OWN FELLOW 
CITIZENS WITH UNIMAGINABLE 
VICIOUSNESS.
IT'S ALSO PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT
WHEN IT'S A RURAL COMMUNITY, SO 
FAR AWAY FROM THE RESOURCES 
NEEDED.
SO IN DIFFICULT TIMES, DIFFICULT
QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ASKED.
DID THE RCMP MEMBERS IN NOVA 
SCOTIA HAVE WHAT THEY NEEDED TO 
HANDLE THE WORST THREAT A 
COMMUNITY CAN FACE?
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.
BUT FIRST, LET'S BEGIN IN NOVA 
SCOTIA.
THE ANCHOR FOR CBC NOVA SCOTIA 
NEWS TOM MURPHY JOINS ME.
HE IS OUTSIDE THE RCMP 
DETACHMENT IN ENFIELD WHERE 
THERE IS A GROWING TRIBUTE TO 
THE VICTIMS.
TOM?
>> Reporter: HI, CAROLE.
IT'S BEEN IMPRESSIVE TO WATCH.
THERE IS A STEADY STREAM OF 
PEOPLE HERE IN THE LAST HALF 
HOUR OR SO THAT I'VE BEEN 
STANDING HERE.
LOOK BEHIND ME.
IT'S GROWING IN SIZE.
THE MESSAGE IS FAMILIAR, THANKS 
FOR SAVING OUR COMMUNITY AND 
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US SAFE.
MANY OF IT DIRECTED TOWARD 
CONSTABLE STEVENSON WHO DIED IN 
THIS RAMPAGE HERE IN NOVA 
SCOTIA.
THERE HAS BEEN A GOOD DEAL OF 
MENTION OF HER AND HER HEROIC 
ACT ON SUNDAY.
THAT'S THE MESSAGE OUTSIDE, 
PEOPLE WITH EMOTIONAL MESSAGES.
INSIDE, IN THE DETACHMENT AND 
PRESUMABLY A GOOD NUMBER OF 
DETACHMENTS IN NOVA SCOTIA, YOU 
CAN BET THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF 
INVESTIGATION UNDER WAY.
WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE RCMP 
OFFICIALS TODAY THIS 
INVESTIGATION WILL TAKE MONTHS.
IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE A VERY 
COMPLEX INVESTIGATION WITH 
MULTIPLE CRIME SCENES TO LOOK 
AT.
HERE NOW IS THE LATEST ON THE 
INVESTIGATION.
>> Reporter: THEY ARE THE 
FINGERPRINTS OF A MASS KILLER.
THE CHARRED AND LEVELLED HOMES.
THE BURNED OUT CARS.
EVIDENCE OF A CRIME SPREE THAT 
IS BEING METICULOUSLY COMBED 
THROUGH, A PUZZLE OVER 90 
KILOMETRES.
NO FEWER THAN 16 CRIME SCENES.
>> WE'RE CONFIDENT WE'VE 
IDENTIFIED ALL THE CRIME SCENES,
HOWEVER WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO 
FULLY EXAMINE THE CRIME SCENES 
BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE HAD 
FIVE STRUCTURE FIRES, MOST OF 
THOSE BEING RESIDENCES.
AND WE BELIEVE THERE MAY BE 
VICTIMS STILL WITHIN THE REMAINS
OF THOSE HOMES.
>> Reporter: SO THAT IS 18 
VICTIMS AND COUNTING.
ALL ADULTS.
THEIR CONNECTION FOR RANDOMNESS 
TO THE KILLER STILL NOT CLEAR.
>> THE SUBJECT DID KNOW SOME OF 
HIS VICTIMS AND YET OTHERS HE 
DID NOT KNOW.
>> Reporter: AND THE QUESTIONS, 
THEY KEEP COMING.
AMONG THEM, THE POLICE UNIFORM 
THE KILLER WAS WEARING.
WHERE DID THE SHOOTER GET IT?
THEY DON'T KNOW.
>> HIS ABILITY TO MOVE AROUND 
THE PROVINCE UNDETECTED WAS 
BENEFITTED BY THE FACT HE HAD A 
POLICE VEHICLE THAT -- A VEHICLE
THAT LOOKED IDENTICAL TO A 
MARKED POLICE CAR.
BEYOND THAT, HE WAS WEARING A 
POLICE UNIFORM.
>> Reporter: ON THE ISSUE OF WHY
A PROVINCE-WIDE EMERGENCY ALERT 
WAS NOT ISSUED TO PEOPLE'S CELL 
PHONES AND TV, THE RCMP SAID 
THIS --
>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I I 
DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU AT 
THIS MOMENT.
WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT AND I 
HOPE TO HAVE A MORE FULSOME 
RESPONSE FOR YOU TOMORROW.
>> Reporter: WHAT IS PAINFULLY 
CLEAR AND OUT IN THE OPEN NOW IS
THE GRIEF.
FROM RCMP DETACHMENTS TO FLAG 
POLES, IN HOMES AND IN HEARTS, 
WITH MORE TO COME.
YOU REALLY DO SEE THE SIGNS OF 
GRIEVING EVERYWHERE.
CERTAINLY IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS 
NOVA SCOTIA AND BY ALL MEANS 
ONLINE.
THERE HAS BEEN AN OUTPOURING OF 
SUPPORT AND PEOPLE TRYING TO 
FEEL CONNECTED DURING ALL OF 
THIS.
THE DIFFICULTY IS WE'RE IN THE 
MIDDLE OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC AND 
COVID-19 WITH ALL THE 
RESTRICTIONS ON PEOPLES' 
DEALINGS, WHO THEY CAN HANG OUT 
WITH, THIS IS DIFFICULT INDEED.
EVEN TODAY, THE PREMIER OF NOVA 
SCOTIA, STEPHEN McNEIL, MADE A 
POINT OF SAYING THAT THE 
RESTRICTIONS THE PROVINCE HAS 
PUT IN PLACE, SIMILAR TO MANY IN
CANADA, FOR SMALL GATHERINGS, NO
LARGER THAN FIVE, WILL HOLD.
FOR THOSE FAMILIES TRYING TO 
PLAN WAKES OR FUNERALS OR 
MEMORIAL SERVICES, THIS IS A 
VERY DIFFICULT TIME.
A TIME WHEN THEY WANT TO BE AS 
CLOSE AS THEY CAN BE TO THEIR 
FAMILY.
AND OF COURSE THEY HAVE TO BE 
THAT WAY, BUT BE APART AS WELL 
AND THAT IS WEIGHING HEAVY ON A 
LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS YOU CAN 
BET HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA TONIGHT.
>> Carole: TOM, THANK YOU.
TOM MURPHY IS THE ANCHOR FOR CBC
NOVA SCOTIA NEWS.
>>> LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT THOSE 
KILLED.
WE'VE HEARD THE MOST ABOUT 
CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON.
A 23-YEAR VETERAN OF THE FORCE.S
SHE WAS KILLED YESTERDAY MORNING
WHILE RESPONDING TO THE CALL OF 
AN ACTIVE SHOOTER.
SUSANA DA SILVA IS TRACKING THE 
STORY OF ALL THOSE WHO LOST 
THEIR LIVES IN THE TRAGEDY.
SHE JOINS ME NOW.
LET'S START WITH CONSTABLE 
STEVENSON.
>> 23 YEARS SHE SERVED THE RCMP.
MOTHER OF TWO YOUNG CHILDREN.
SHE SERVED AS POLICE 
SPOKESPERSON FOR THE RCMP.
BEING REMEMBERED AS A KIND, 
FRIENDLY, LOVING PERSON.
AS YOU SAW THERE, WITH TOM, THAT
ALL OF THE TRIBUTES ARE POURING 
IN AT THE RCMP DETACHMENT IN 
VARIOUS LOW CASES.
-- LOCATIONS.
PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SHOW THEIR 
SUPPORT AND REMEMBERING HER FOR 
ALL SHE DID FOR THE COMMUNITY 
AND DIED SERVING THAT COMMUNITY.
ONE YOUNG MAN WHO CAME OUT TO 
BRING FLOWERS, HE KNEW THE 
FAMILY.
HER HUSBAND WAS HIS TEACHER.
HE REMEMBERS HER AS A KIND 
PERSON, ALWAYS SMILING, ALWAYS 
FRIENDLY.
AND LIKE MANY PEOPLE IN THAT 
COMMUNITY NOW, HE IS TRYING TO 
COME TO GRIPS AND UNDERSTAND AND
PROCESS WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO 
SOMEONE WHO IS SUCH A VISIBLE 
AND OPEN PART OF THAT COMMUNITY.
>> SHE WAS CARING, PASSIONATE, 
FUN-LOVING AND I DIDN'T KNOW HER
AS WELL I WISH I DID, BUT THAT'S
WHAT I KNOW ABOUT HER.
EVERY TIME I SAW HER IN UNIFORM 
OR OUT OF UNIFORM, SHE HAD A 
SMILE ON HER FACE, CHEERING HER 
KIDS ON, DOING WHAT SHE LOVED IN
LIFE.
>> Reporter: THERE ARE MEMBERS 
OF THE RCMP REMEMBERING HER AS A
GOOD COLLEAGUE, A GOOD 
NEIGHBOUR, A GOOD FRIEND AND 
SOMEONE WHO WAS READY TO LEND A 
HELPING HAND WHENEVER IT WAS 
NEEDED.
>> Carole: FRIENDS AND RELATIVES
HAVE BEEN PAYING TRIBUTE TO 
OTHER VICTIMS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
WHAT CAN YOU CONFIRM ABOUT THEM?
>> Reporter: OF COURSE, THERE 
ARE A LOT OF NAMES OUT THERE.
WE'RE ONLY GOING WITH THE NAMES 
WE'VE BEEN SURE THAT FAMILY 
MEMBERS KNOW.
THEY'VE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION
AND NOTIFICATION AND KNOW WHAT 
HAS HAPPENED TO THEIR FAMILY 
MEMBERS.
I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE OTHER 
ONES.
A FAMILY OF THREE THAT WERE 
KILLED TOGETHER THIS WEEKEND.
JOLENE OLIVER, 40 YEARS OLD, 
AARON TUCK 45, AND THEIR 
17-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER EMILY.
NOW THEY HAD MOVED TO NOVA 
SCOTIA TWO YEARS AGO TO BE CLOSE
TO AARON TUCK'S MOTHER WHO WAS 
ILL.
THEY INHERITED HIS FAMILY HOME 
AND JOLENE'S SISTER SAYING THEY 
LIVED AT THE END OF A WINDING 
LANE, A QUIET HOME, NEVERHELP.
WHICH IF YOU KNEW HIM, THAT WAS 
WHO HE WAS ALL OF THE TIME.
I KNOW HE MEANT SOMETHING TO SO 
MANY PEOPLE.
WE KNOW LILLIAN HYSLOP, SHE WAS 
OUT FOR A WALK AT THE TIME.
AND ANOTHER COUPLE, GREG AND 
GREG BLAIR WERE ALSO VICTIMS IN 
THE TRAGEDY AND WE'RE CONTINUING
TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE
LEFT BEHIND AND CONTRIBUTED TO 
THEIR COMMUNITIES.
AND THE VOID THAT ALL OF THEIR 
FRIENDS, FAMILY MEMBERS, 
EVERYONE WHO KNEW THEM ARE 
EXPERIENCING AND TRYING TO COME 
TO GRIPS WITH.
>> Carole: SUSANA DA SILVA, 
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THERE ARE MORE STORIES TO BE 
TOLD AND WE'LL TELL THEM TO YOU 
IN THE NEXT HOUR.
WE'RE ALSO KEEPING AN EYE ON THE
INVESTIGATION ITSELF.
WHAT HAPPENED?
WHY?
THE RCMP IS NOW BRINGING IN AS 
WE SPEAK NATIONAL RESOURCES TO 
ASSIST IN THE INVESTIGATION.
PUBLIC SAFETY MINISTER BILL 
BLAIR SPOKE WITH MY COLLEAGUE 
VASSY KAPELOS EARLIER TONIGHT.
>> MOBILIZING RESOURCES ACROSS 
NOVA SCOTIA, ATLANTIC CANADA AND
ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO MAKE SURE 
THE RCMP HAVE THE RESOURCES TO 
DO THIS INVESTIGATION.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO 
RECOGNIZE, VASSY, WE'RE IN THE 
EARLIEST HOURS AND DAYS OF THIS 
INVESTIGATION.
IT'S COMPLEX.
IT COVERS AS YOU KNOW AT LEAST 
16 CRIME SCENES, OVER 
50-KILOMETRE AREA.
THE RCMP HAVE A GREAT DEVELOP 
WORK TO DO.
-- DEAL OF WORK TO DO.
THEY'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY AND 
WORKING THROUGH THEIR OWN GRIEF.
>> Carole: JOINING ME NOW TO 
TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF THE
INVESTIGATION IS PHIL GURSKI.
HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF BOREALIS 
THREAT AND RISK.
WHAT IS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU 
HEARD WHAT HAPPENED IN NOVA 
SCOTIA AND THE SCOPE OF IT?
>> JUST TREMENDOUS GRIEF.
AN ACTIVE SHOOTER LATE SATURDAY 
EVENING AND SUNDAY PROGRESSED, 
WE LEARNED IT WAS MORE.
THE BODY COUNT KEPT GOING UP.
WE WERE ALL CONSUMED WITH 
COVID-19 AND SOCIAL DISTANCING 
AND THAT KIND OF THING.
TO HAVE THIS UNSPEAKABLE TRAGEDY
HAPPEN IN THE MIDST OF IT, THERE
IS NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE IT.
THANKFULLY THIS IS STILL RARE IN
CANADA.
IT DOESN'T HELP FOR THE FAMILIES
AND FRIENDS OF THOSE IN NOVA 
SCOTIA, BUT IT'S DEVASTATING.
>> Carole: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 
POLICE ANGLE.
WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES WILL 
INVESTIGATOR NEED TO BRING IN?
>> THERE IS NO QUESTION.
THE SUSPECT IS DEAD.
WE KNOW IT'S A HE.
WE BELIEVE HE'S THE PERPETRATOR,
THAT IS COVERED.
THERE WILL BE SPECIALISTS TO 
LOOK AT BODIES.
I UNDERSTAND THE BODY COUNT IS 
IN FLUX.
MAYBE BODIES FOUND IN THE HOUSES
BURNT OUT.
THE MOST IMPORTANT IS TO GET TO 
THE WHY.
THE ONLY WAY TO FIND OUT WHY IS 
TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIM.
THINGS SAID OR POSTED ONLINE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF PEOPLE 
LOOKING AT HIS COMPUTER, DID HE 
POST ANYTHING, SAY ANYTHING?
AND DID HE LEAVE A MANIFESTO?
IN TERRORIST ATTACKS IN THE 
PAST -- THIS IS NOT A ATTACK -- 
WE'VE SEEN MANIFESTOS.
>> Carole: HOW DID HE CREATE 
THIS FAKE IDENTITY AT A POLICE 
OFFICER?
>> WOW, YEAH, A GREAT QUESTION, 
RIGHT?
IT KIND OF FROM WHAT I 
UNDERSTAND WAS HIS OBSESSION 
WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT BEGAN 
WHEN HE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL IN 
NOVA SCOTIA.
SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE SEEMED OUT 
OF THE ORDINARY TO FRIENDS AND 
ACQUAINTANCES BECAUSE HE WAS ALL
THAT GUY.
HOW IT LED TO THE EVENTS ON 
SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, WHAT 
SNAPPED, IS THE $64 MILLION 
QUESTION AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE
TO TRY TO SOLVE.
>> Carole: HOW WILL THE 
INVESTIGATIONS BE CONDUCTED?
YOU SAID BALLISTICS.
INTERVIEWS TO SOME EXTENT.
TAKE US THROUGH IT AND THE 
COMPLEXITY OF DEALING WITH 16 
CRIME SCENES AND COUNTING.
>> YEAH, AS THE MINISTER SAID, 
THIS IS A TREMENDOUSLY LARGE 
CRIME SCENE.
OVER 50 KILOMETRES IN NOVA 
SCOTIA.
IF I COMPARE IT TO THE 
INVESTIGATIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE
BEEN PARTY TO AT CSIS, IT'S 
ABOUT SOURCES.
YOU HAVE TACTICAL SOURCES.
YOU LOOK AT COMPUTER RECORDS.
YOU HAVE HUMAN SOURCES, PEOPLE 
THAT KNEW HIM, FRIENDS, FAMILY, 
COWORKERS, PEOPLE IN THE 
NEIGHBOURHOOD THAT CAN LEND 
INSIGHT.
THE IMPORTANT THING IN ANY 
INVESTIGATION, WHETHER IT'S CSIS
OR RCMP, IS CORROBORATE, 
CORROBORATE, CORROBORATE.
MULTIPLE SOURCES THAT GIVE YOU 
INSIGHT BECAUSE ANY ONE SOURCE 
IS NOT ALWAYS RELIABLE.
YOU WANT TO GET AS MANY SOURCES 
AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
>> Carole: IN THE PICTURE OF 
WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT, WHAT 
KIND OF RESOURCES WOULD HAVE 
BEEN AVAILABLE THE NIGHT OF?
>> WOW.
YEAH.
AGAIN, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE 
TREMENDOUS GEOGRAPHIC FOOTPRINT 
OF THE ATTACK, YOU'RE NOT GOING 
TO HAVE CCTV SURVEILLANCE, OR 
THAT PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE.
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO PIECE 
TOGETHER WHERE HE WAS AND LOOK 
FOR EYEWITNESSES OR PEOPLE THAT 
MAYBE CAUGHT SOMETHING.
I GO BACK TO PEOPLE WHO MAYBE 
HAVE KNOWN HIM.
WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER 
INVESTIGATIONS WHERE ATTACKERS 
GAVE SOME KIND OF INDICATION 
THEY WERE PLANNING SOMETHING.
IT'S CALLED LEAKAGE.
IT'S HAPPENED IN TERRORISM 
CASES.
DID HE SAY SOMETHING WHICH YOU 
KNOW AS AN AFTER THOUGHT WE 
THINK, WOW, HE MEANT IT.
HE WAS TELLING US WHAT HE WAS 
GOING TO DO.
IT'S THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WHERE WAS WE IN THE DAYS AND 
WEEKS PRIOR?
AND DID WE MISS SIGNALS?
BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T 
ALWAYS GET IT RIGHT.
>> Carole: WE KNEW HE HAD AN 
RCMP UNIFORM.
WE'RE NOT SURE, ALTHOUGH THERE 
IS VIDEO OF HIM IN THE RED 
SURGE.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THIS IDEA 
THAT HE HAD A VEHICLE, AN RCMP 
VEHICLE THAT MUST HAVE BEEN 
HIDDEN SOMEWHERE, MAYBE SOMEBODY
SAW IT?
>> EXACTLY.
FROM WHAT I GATHER, WHAT I'VE 
HEARD, HE WAS INTO REFURBISHING 
OLD POLICE CARS, AGAIN THAT IS 
NOT ABNORMAL.
BUT GOING TO PEOPLE AND SAYING, 
THIS IS THE VEHICLE, DO YOU 
RECALL SEEING IT, TO HELP THE 
RCMP PIECE TOGETHER AS MUCH AS 
THEY CAN.
AND AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING 
AT HELPING THE FAMILIES 
UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT 
GOING TO PROSECUTE THE GUY, HE'S
DEAD, BUT DOING WHAT YOU CAN TO 
DO GIVE PEOPLE ANSWERS.
THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO IS WE 
MAY NEVER GET THE ANSWERS.
THEY MAY HAVE GONE TO THE GRAVE 
WITH HIM.
MAY NOT FIGURE OUT HIS 
MOTIVATION.
>> Carole: UNDERSTOOD.
PHIL, THANK YOU.
FORMER STRATEGIC ANALYST FOR THE
CANADIAN INTELLIGENCE SERVICE.
WE REACHED HIM IN OTTAWA 
TONIGHT.
>>> M.P.s WERE IN THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS TODAY, ALBEIT MUCH FEWER
NUMBERS BECAUSE OF COVID-19.
FOLLOWING QUESTION PERIOD, THEY 
PAID TRIBUTE TO THE VICTIMS AND 
THE AFFECTED COMMUNITIES IN NOVA
SCOTIA.
COMING UP, WE'LL BRING YOU THE 
LATEST REACTION FROM THE 
NATION'S CAPITAL.
YOU'RE WATCHING SPECIAL COVERAGE
OF THE TRAGEDY IN NOVA SCOTIA ON
CBC NEWS NETWORK.
BACK IN A MOMENT.
>> I ASK ALL THE MEMBERS TO RISE
FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
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>> Carole: HELLO ONCE AGAIN.
I'M CAROLE MacNEIL.
YOU'RE WATCHING SPECIAL COVERAGE
OF THE WORST MASS SHOOTING IN 
CANADIAN HISTORY.
SEVERAL COMMUNITIES IN NOVA 
SCOTIA ARE GRIEVING TONIGHT.
AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE FULL 
EXTENT OF THE SITUATION.
PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU 
SPOKE ABOUT THE TRAGEDY IN NOVA 
SCOTIA DURING HIS DAILY PRESS 
BRIEFING THIS MORNING.
>> Prime Minister Justin 
Trudeau: WE ARE A COUNTRY THAT 
STANDS UNITED IN OUR EFFORT TO 
DEFEAT A PANDEMIC, TO SAVE LIVES
AND TO HELP EACH OTHER MAKE IT 
TO A BETTER DAY.
BUT YESTERDAY WE WERE JOLTED 
FROM THAT COMMON CAUSE BY THE 
SENSELESS VIOLENCE AND TRAGEDY 
IN NOVA SCOTIA.
A GUNMAN CLAIMED THE LIVES OF AT
LEAST 18 PEOPLE.
AMONG THEM, A WOMAN IN UNIFORM, 
WHOSE JOB IT IS TO PROTECT LIVES
EVEN IF IT ENDANGERS HER OWN, 
CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON OF THE
RCMP.
CONSTABLE STEPHENSON DIED 
PROTECTING OTHERS.
SHE WAS RESPONDING TO THE CALL 
OF DUTY, SOMETHING SHE'D DONE 
FOR 23 YEARS.
THIS HAPPENED IN SMALL TOWNS.
PORTAPIQUE, TRURO, ENFIELD.
THEY'RE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE
DEEP ROOTS, KNOW THEIR 
NEIGHBOURS AND LOOK OUT FOR ONE 
ANOTHER.
THERE EVERYONE KNOWS A MOUNTIE 
BECAUSE THEY'RE EVERYTHING FROM 
POLICE OFFICERS TO SOCIAL 
WORKERS TO TEEN COUNSELLORS.
NOW THESE COMMUNITIES ARE IN 
MOURNING AND CANADA IS IN 
MOURNING WITH THEM.
TO THE GRANDPARENT WHO LOST A 
CHILD, THE CHILDREN WHO LOST A 
PARENT, TO THE NEIGHBOUR WHO 
LOST A FRIEND, WE ARE SO SORRY 
FOR YOUR LOSS.
SUCH A TRAGEDY SHOULD HAVE NEVER
OCCURRED.
VIOLENCE OF ANY KIND HAS NO 
PLACE IN CANADA.
WE STAND WITH YOU AND WE GRIEVE 
WITH YOU AND YOU CAN COUNT ON 
OUR GOVERNMENT'S FULL SUPPORT 
DURING THIS INCREDIBLY PAINFUL 
TIME.
[Speaking French]
[Speaking French]
>> Prime Minister Justin 
Trudeau: I ALSO WANT TO WISH A 
FULL AND SPEEDY RECOVERY TO ALL 
THOSE INJURED, INCLUDING RCMP 
OFFICER.
CANADA IS A VAST AND SWEEPING 
COUNTRY FILLED WITH LONG 
STRETCHES OF LONELY ROADS.
WITH UNWAVERING COURAGE AND 
COMPASSION OUR ROYAL CANADIAN 
MOUNTED POLICE KEEP US SAFE AS 
THEY HAVE FOR OVER 100 YEARS.
I KNOW FROM COAST TO COAST TO 
COAST
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
>> Carole: THAT WAS THE PRIME 
MINISTER SPEAKING THIS MORNING 
OUTSIDE OF RIDEAU COTTAGE.
[APPLAUSE]
>> CHEERS AND SHOUTS OF THANK 
YOU TODAY FOR CONSTABLE CHAD 
MORRISON.
HE IS THE RCMP OFFICER WHO WAS 
WOUNDED DURING A SHOOTING SPREE.
HE WAS SEEN WITH HIS ARM 
BANDAGED, WAVING TO THE CROWD.
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IN ANY INCIDENT SUCH AS THIS, WE
ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT WHAT
WE DID.
NOBODY CAN LOSE THEIR LIFE IN 
VAIN.
AND HEIDI WILL NOT LOSE HER LIFE
IN VAIN, NOR WILL THE 17 OTHER 
VICTIMS.
>> Carole: THE COMMISSIONER OF 
THE RCMP SAYS IT WILL TAKE TIME 
BEFORE WE KNOW HOW EACH OF THE 
VICTIMS DIED.
THERE ARE AT LEAST 18 OF THEM 
NOW.
INVESTIGATION IS UNDER WAY AT 16
CRIME SCENES ACROSS NOVA SCOTIA.
POLICE SAY THE SUSPECT WAS ABLE 
TO MOVE AROUND THE PROVINCE 
EASILY IN PART BECAUSE HE WAS 
PRETENDING TO BE A POLICE 
OFFICER IN A VEHICLE THAT LOOKED
MUCH LIKE THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING
AT NOW.
INVESTIGATORS NOW NEED TO 
DETERMINE WHAT WEAPONS MAY HAVE 
BEEN USED AT EACH OF THE 
LOCATIONS.
POLICE ARE ALSO WARNING THAT 
MORE PEOPLE MAY HAVE BEEN 
KILLED.
AUTHORITIES BELIEVE THE GUNMAN 
TRAVELLED 50 KILOMETRES.
THEY BELIEVE HE KNEW SOME OF THE
VICTIMS AND OTHERS APPEAR MORE 
RANDOM.
ALL OF THEM IN A RURAL STRETCH 
OF NOVA SCOTIA'S NORTH SHORE, 
NOT FAR FROM THE CAPITAL 
HALIFAX.
LET'S GO TO HALIFAX NOW, PRESTON
MULLIGAN.
>> Reporter: GOOD EVENING.
WENTWORTH, NOVA SCOTIA, 55 
KILOMETRES NORTH OF PORTAPIQUE.
AT 8:00 SUNDAY MORNING, PEOPLE 
WHO LIVE ALONG THE HUNTER ROAD 
IN WENTWORTH HEARD GUN FIRE, 
LOUD EXPLOSION AND THEN FLAMES 
COMING FROM THEIR FRIEND'S HOME.
I SPOKE WITH LISA AND HER 
HUSBAND DARYL IN THEIR FRONT 
YARD AND THEY TELL ME WHEN THEY 
HEARD THE NOISE, THEY 
IMMEDIATELY WALKED THAT HALF 
KILOMETRE DOWN THE DIRT ROAD TO 
THE NEIGHBOUR'S HOME TO SEE WHAT
WAS GOING ON.
THE HOUSE WAS ON FIRE, FULLY 
ENGULFED IN FLAMES.
THE FIRE TRUCKS HAD RESPONDED, 
BUT POLICE TOLD THEM TO STAY 
AWAY FROM THE BURNING HOUSE AND 
THE PROPERTY THAT IT SITS ON.
EVENTUALLY, THOUGH, THAT MORNING
THE COUPLE MADE THEIR WAY TO THE
HOME AND THEY FOUND ANOTHER 
FRIEND AND NEIGHBOUR -- HIS NAME
IS TOM BAGLEY -- LYING DEAD 20 
METRES FROM THAT BURNED OUT 
HOME.
>> I CALLED 911 TO REPORT IT, 
OBVIOUSLY.
911 TOOK ALL MY INFORMATION, ALL
THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE 
DECEASED AND THEN THEY PATCHED 
ME THROUGH TO EHS WHO WANTED ME 
TO GO OVER AND SEE IF THERE WAS 
ANY LIFE.
DID THEY NEED AN AMBULANCE TO 
COME?
THEY WERE ASKING ME KNOWS 
QUESTIONS.
I HAD TO -- THOSE QUESTIONS.
I HAD TO GO OVER AND LOOK AT HIM
AND VERIFY THERE WAS NO SIGNS OF
LIFE.
>> Reporter: NOW OPERATORS AT 
911 ALSO TOLD LISA TO GO HOME, 
NOT TO TELL ANY OF HER 
NEIGHBOURS WHAT THEY WITNESSED, 
NOT EVEN THE FAMILY OF TOM 
BAGLEY, WHO LISA KNEW VERY WELL.
WE KNOW THAT TOM BAGLEY IS A 
RETIRED FIREFIGHTER FROM THE 
AREA AND THE COUPLE I SPOKE WITH
SAID DESPITE HIS GOOD 
INTENTIONS, HE WAS IN THE WRONG 
PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME.
THE OWNERS OF THE HOME, ALANNA 
JENKINS AND SEAN McLEOD.
SHE SAID HER FATHER KNEW THE 
ARMED ASSAILANT, BUT SHE DIDN'T 
ELABORATE ON THE RELATIONSHIP.
THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS 
ABOUT THIS HORRIBLE TRAGEDY.
THE MAIN ONE BEING WHY?
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IN 
WENTWORTH, WHY DRIVE FROM ONE 
TINY VILLAGE, PORTAPIQUE, 55 
KILOMETRES NORTH TO ANOTHER 
SMALL COMMUNITY TO GO TO THAT 
PARTICULAR HOME TO WREAK HAVOC?
IT'S ONE OF THE TERRIFYING 
DETAILS HERE.
WHAT'S MORE, THIS IS JUST ONE OF
16 CRIME SCENES THAT LOCAL RCMP 
NOW HAVE THE MONUMENTAL TASK OF 
INVESTIGATING TO FIND OUT 
EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
>> Carole: YES, AND THE RCMP 
FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTRY 
WILL BE MOVING IN QUICKLY.
THEY'RE MOBILIZING TO HELP THEM 
TONIGHT.
PRESTON MULLIGAN IN HALIFAX 
TONIGHT.
THANK YOU.
>> Carole: A MOMENT OF SILENCE 
TODAY IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS TO
HONOUR THE LIVES LOST IN NOVA 
SCOTIA OVER THE WEEKEND.
AT LEAST 18 PEOPLE KILLED 
INCLUDING RCMP OFFICER HEIDI 
STEVENSON IN A SERIES OF 
INCIDENTS OVER THE WEEKEND.
THE GUNMAN IS DEAD.
THE RCMP CONFIRMED 16 CRIME 
SCENES AS PART OF THEIR 
INVESTIGATION.
OFFICERS WARNING THERE MAY BE 
MORE VICTIMS AS SOME OF THOSE 
CRIME SCENES STILL NEED TO BE 
PROCESSED.
FOR MORE ON THE REACTION FROM 
OTTAWA, I'M JOINED BY THE CBC'S 
EVAN DYER FROM HIS HOME IN 
CHELSEA, QUÉBEC.
HOW ARE PARLIAMENTARIANS 
REACTING TODAY?
>> Reporter: WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF
REACTION AND ALL OF IT OBVIOUSLY
SAD AND SHOCK.
THIS COMES IN THE MIDDLE OF A 
MAJOR DEBATE ACTUALLY IN 
PARLIAMENT ABOUT COVID-19 AND 
ABOUT HOW PARLIAMENT SHOULD 
BEGIN -- OR CONTINUE TO OPERATE 
THROUGH THE WHOLE COVID-19 
CRISIS.
THIS MORNING WE SAW THE PRIME 
MINISTER COME OUT AT RIDEAU 
COLLEGE AS IS HIS HABIT, HE 
DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT 
RATHER TALKED ABOUT THE EVENTS 
IN NOVA SCOTIA.
HE REFERRED BRIEFLY TO WHAT HAS 
BEEN GOING ON IN PARLIAMENT, 
THIS FIGHT OVER PROCEDURE, 
SAYING HE DIDN'T WANT TO ARGUE 
WITH ANYONE TODAY.
RATHER HE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT 
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PEOPLE IN 
NOVA SCOTIA.
LET'S WATCH A LITTLE BIT OF THE 
STATEMENT HE MADE LATER IN THE 
DAY.
>> Prime Minister Justin 
Trudeau: WORDS TO EASE OUR 
SORROW, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO 
WORDS FOR THE PAIN THEIR 
FAMILIES AND LOVED ONES FEEL 
TODAY.
BUT I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT ALL
CANADIANS ARE WITH THEM.
THAT THIS SENSELESS EVIL ACT 
WILL NOT DEFINE NOVA SCOTIA.
THAT TODAY ALL CANADIANS ARE 
NOVA SCOTIAN.
>> Reporter: SO HE WAS PRESSED 
AS WAS BILL BLAIR ABOUT THE 
ISSUES THAT AROSE FROM THE 
SHOOTING.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT 
PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT HOW THE 
SHOOTER WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN A 
POLICE CAR, POLICE UNIFORMS AND 
OTHER ISSUES.
THE GOVERNMENT IS STRESSING THE 
INVESTIGATION IS IN EARLY STAGES
AND STAYING AWAY FROM THOSE 
TYPES OF CONCLUSIONS UNTIL THE 
RCMP CAN ADVANCE FURTHER IN 
FINDING OUT HOW AND WHY.
>> Carole: WHAT IS THE 
OPPOSITION SAYING?
>> WELL, THE OPPOSITION, OF 
COURSE, HAS BEEN DIVIDED AS WELL
OVER THE ISSUES DURING THE LAST 
FEW DAYS WITH A LOT OF TENSION 
ON PARLIAMENT HILL ABOUT HOW 
PARLIAMENT IS GOING TO OPERATE.
BUT WE DID SEE THEM BRIEFLY SET 
THOSE ASIDE TODAY AND WE SAW ALL
OF THE PARTIES ADDRESS WHAT HAD 
HAPPENED IN NOVA SCOTIA, A POEM 
FROM THE GREENS, VERY MOVING 
WORDS FROM PAUL MANLY FROM 
VANCOUVER ISLAND AND 
YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET OF THE 
BLOC.
LET'S LOOK AT ANDREW SCHEER AND 
JAGMEET SINGH TALKING ABOUT 
THESE EVENTS.
>> A KILLER HAS TAKEN THE LIVES 
OF AT LEAST 19 PEOPLE, EACH ONE 
OF THEM A TRAGIC LOSS FOR 
FAMILIES AND FRIENDS.
AS THE RCMP UNCOVERED THE 
DETAILS OF THE SENSELESS LOSS, 
OUR THOUGHTS, PRAYERS AND 
SUPPORT ARE WITH THE COMMUNITIES
REELING FROM THE FALLOUT OF THE 
TRAGIC EVENTS.
>> THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS WE'VE 
SEEN THE COURAGE OF FIRST 
RESPONDERS IN THE FACE OF 
COVID-19.
THOSE WHO ARE RETURNING TO 
HARM -- RUNNING TO HARM'S WAY TO
KEEP US SAFE.
AND NOW WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF 
RCMP CONSTABLE WHO DID EXACTLY 
THAT.
RAN TOWARDS THE FIRE, RAN 
TOWARDS HARM TO SAVE THE LIVES 
OF OTHERS AND IN SAVING THE 
LIVES OF OTHERS LOST HERS.
>> Reporter: JAGMEET SINGH 
OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT 
CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON, THE 
RCMP OFFICER KILLED IN THE 
ATTACK.
YOU KNOW, MUCH OF THE PROCEDURE 
OF THE HOUSE TODAY WAS TAKEN UP 
WITH THE DEBATE ABOUT HOW TO 
KEEP PARLIAMENT RUNNING THROUGH 
COVID-19.
WE SAW ABOUT THREE DOZEN M.P.s 
IN THE HOUSE TODAY AND SOME VERY
TENSE WORDS BETWEEN THE PARTIES 
WITH DIVISION BETWEEN THE 
CONSERVATIVES ON ONE SIDE WHO 
WANT MORE IN-PERSON SITTINGS AND
THE LIBERALS ON AND THE OTHERS 
ENTRENCHED ON THE OTHER SIDE, 
WANTING TO MAKE THE HOUSE AS 
VIRTUAL AS POSSIBLE.
ONE THING THAT SOME MEMBERS 
NOTED, MEMBERS OF ATLANTIC 
CANADA WERE PARTICULARLY ABSENT 
FROM THE HOUSE.
THERE WERE NO MEMBERS FROM NOVA 
SCOTIA THAT WE COULD SEE IN THE 
HOUSE TODAY.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS 
THAT IS CAUSING TENSION ON THE 
HILL.
PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF 
THE COUNTRY ARE AFFECTED 
DIFFERENTLY BY COVID-19.
AND IN THE CASE OF M.P. FROM 
NOVA SCOTIA, IF THEY COME TO 
OTTAWA, THEY'LL BE QUARANTINED 
FOR 14 DAYS ON THE RETURN TO 
NOVA SCOTIA, UNABLE TO WORK, 
UNABLE TO BE EVEN WITH THEIR 
FAMILY.
SO IT'S A REMINDER THAT THIS 
TRAGEDY, THIS MASS MURDER IN 
NOVA SCOTIA, ONE OF THE WORST IN
CANADIAN HISTORY, IS HAPPENING 
IN THE SHADOW OF ANOTHER TRAGEDY
AND EVEN DEADLIER TRAGEDY THAT 
CONTINUES.
>> Carole: EVAN DYER.
FOR MORE, I WANT TO BRING IN 
SOMEONE WITH DEEP ROOTS IN NOVA 
SCOTIA.
PETER MacKAY SPENT 18 YEARS AS 
AN M.P. FROM THE PROVINCE, 
CENTRAL NOVA, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR
TO WHERE THIS HAPPENED, 45 
MINUTES FROM NEW GLASGOW.
HE WAS PART OF THE CROWN 
PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE AS WELL IN 
NOVA SCOTIA.
HE JOINS ME NOW.
WELCOME TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU, CAROLE.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE DEEP ROOTS 
IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD AS 
WELL.
WE'RE ALL HEART BROKEN AND OUR 
THOUGHTS ARE CERTAINLY BACK HOME
WITH FRIENDS, NEIGHBOURS AND 
PEOPLE SUFFERING IN THE EXTREME 
AS A RESULT OF THIS ACT OF 
VIOLENCE THAT CAME SO SUDDENLY.
>> Carole: THAT IS ABSOLUTELY 
TRUE.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN
YOU HEARD ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED?
AND WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR THE 
SCOPE OF WHAT HAPPENED?
>> WELL, IT WAS VERY CHILLING TO
BE HONEST, CAROLE, I RECEIVED A 
CALL EARLY YESTERDAY MORNING 
FROM SCOTT ARMSTRONG, WHO I 
BELIEVE MAY HAVE BEEN SPEAKING 
TO YOU EARLIER.
AND SCOTT IS A SCHOOL PRINCIPAL 
IN DEBERT AND HAD HEARD OF 
COURSE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY OF THE
INITIAL MURDER OF A 
SCHOOLTEACHER IN THE AREA AND 
THEN, OF COURSE, THERE WAS GREAT
UNCERTAINTY, PANIC IN THE 
COMMUNITY.
AND SO I COULD HEAR THAT IN HIS 
VOICE IMMEDIATELY.
AND THEN WE STARTED GETTING MORE
REPORTS COMING.
AND THE DEVASTATION OVER 100 
KILOMETRES OR MORE, DIFFERENT 
COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, HAVING 
SIGHTINGS.
AND THAT PART OF THE WORLD AS 
YOU KNOW IS VERY CLOSE-KNIT.
COMMUNITIES ARE SMALL, PEACEFUL,
TRANQUIL.
THIS IS THE ANTITHESIS OF WHAT 
ONE WOULD EXPECT, WHERE PEOPLE 
LEAVE THEIR DOORS OPEN AT NIGHT.
THEY LEAVE THEIR KEYS IN THEIR 
CAR.
SO THERE IS A TREMENDOUS SHOCK 
AND TRAUMA BEING FELT BACK HOME.
AND YOU KNOW THE GRIEVING AND 
THE REACTION HAS JUST BEEN SO 
OVERWHELMING AND EMOTIONAL.
>> Carole: YEAH.
I'VE ALSO HEARD ANGER AS WELL.
PEOPLE WANTED TO KNOW WHY THEY 
WEREN'T ALERTED?
>> FRUSTRATION I THINK AND 
INFORMATION TRAVELS IN A VOID 
VERY QUICKLY.
THE REACTION, OF COURSE, NOBODY 
HAD -- NOR COULD THEY ANTICIPATE
THE MOVING, ROLLING NATURE OF 
THIS INDIVIDUAL AND THEY'RE VERY
DELIBERATE.
THE MOCKING-UP OF A POLICE CAR, 
A UNIFORM, A TRUSTED SYMBOL IN 
THE COMMUNITY BEING USED AGAINST
PEOPLE'S SENSE OF SECURITY.
THE HOUSES SET ON FIRE.
IT WAS SUCH EXTREME CARNAGE BY A
SINGLE INDIVIDUAL.
THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING THE 
DEPRAVITY OF THIS.
WHAT I DO KNOW AND YOU 
UNDERSTAND WELL IS THE 
RESILIENCE OF THE PEOPLE OF 
ATLANTIC CANADA, THE PEOPLE OF 
NOVA SCOTIA WILL RECOVER.
AS DEVASTATING AS THIS IS, THE 
OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT FROM ONE 
END OF THE PROVINCE TO THE 
OTHER, BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY, IT HELPS AT A TIME LIKE
THIS.
BUT I HEARD SOME OF THE EARLIER 
COMMENTARY, WHICH IS CORRECT, 
THAT DUE TO COVID-19, THOSE 
NORMAL HUMAN REACTIONS TO BRING 
FOOD, TO GATHER, TO COME 
TOGETHER, TO EMBRACE, THE 
UNSPOKEN PART OF SUPPORT THAT IS
FELT IN A COMMUNITY IN A TIME OF
TRAGEDY, IT CAN'T HAPPEN IN THE 
SAME WAY.
AND IT'S EQUALLY DIFFICULT FOR 
PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO 
DEMONSTRATE THAT OUTPOURING OF 
SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORING 
COMMUNITIES.
IT'S SO CHALLENGING RIGHT NOW 
BECAUSE OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY 
TIME IN WHICH WE'RE LIVING.
AND WE CLEARLY HAVE NEVER SEEN 
ANYTHING LIKE THIS AT ANY TIME 
IN OUR HISTORY FROM, YOU KNOW, 
THE WESTRAY MINE, TO SPRING 
HILL, TO PLACES IN CAPE BRETON 
WHERE WE'VE HAD TERRIBLE 
TRAGEDIES.
EXTREME ACT OF VIOLENCE AND 
MADNESS.
>> Carole: IT'S EVERY RURAL 
CANADIAN'S WORST NIGHTMARE 
PLAYING OUT BEFORE OUR EYES IN 
NOVA SCOTIA.
>> IT IS.
>> Carole: IT'S EVERYONE'S 
NIGHTMARE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE -- AS
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN A RURAL
PART OF THE COUNTRY, YOU DON'T 
HAVE THE SAME SPEED OF ACCESS 
THAT PEOPLE IN A BIGGER CITY 
MIGHT.
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THE DISTANCES THAT ONE HAS 
TO TRAVEL TO GET THE AID THAT IS
REQUIRED.
THOSE EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, YOU 
KNOW, GOT THERE AS QUICKLY AS 
POSSIBLE, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS 
INDIVIDUAL HAD OBVIOUSLY PUT A 
LOT OF THOUGHT, AS TWISTED AS IT
IS, THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS 
AMOUNT OF PREMEDITATION.
AND THEN COUPLED WITH RANDOM 
ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY 
RHYME OR REASON OF WHAT 
HAPPENED.
AND COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO THE
RCMP AND HEIDI STEVENSON IN 
PARTICULAR, OF HER HEROICS AND 
SELFLESS ACT, THIS IS GOING TO 
RESONATE AND REALLY RIPPLE 
THROUGH OUR PROVINCE -- OUR 
COUNTRY FOR A VERY, VERY LONG 
TIME.
THERE WILL BE LOTS OF TIME FOR 
THE FORENSICS AND THE NECESSARY 
EXAMINATION OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND
WHAT WE CAN DO TO PREVENT, BUT 
FOR NOW IT'S A SENSE OF 
GRIEVING, IT'S A SENSE OF COMING
TOGETHER, SUPPORT, AND REALLY 
DEMONSTRATING TO THOSE WHO HAVE 
LOST LOVED ONES THAT THE COUNTRY
CARES, THE COMMUNITY IS WITH 
THEM.
>> Carole: THE OTHER THING IS 
HOW PEOPLE WERE APPARENTLY DUPED
BY THIS INDIVIDUAL IN A POLICE 
CAR, IN A POLICE UNIFORM.
AND THERE IS A STRONG 
RELATIONSHIP OF TRUST BETWEEN 
THE RCMP IN RURAL AREAS OF THIS 
NATION.
SO PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN 
WHAT HAPPENED COMING.
>> NO.
OF COURSE.
AND BECAUSE THIS WAS SUCH AN 
EXTREME ACT OF VIOLENCE AND THAT
IS NOT SOMETHING WE ASSOCIATE 
WITH OUR PROTECTERS, OUR FIRST 
RESPONDERS, OUR RCMP.
AND THAT WAS USED IN A VERY 
PSYCHOTIC WAY AGAINST THAT 
TRUSTING NATURE.
AND AGAINST THE VERY PEACEFUL 
TRANQUIL PLACE THAT PEOPLE HAVE 
GROWN TO LOVE AND CALL HOME.
AND THIS IS JUST -- IT'S A 
DAGGER TO THE HEART OF THAT 
TRUSTING, CARING, LOVING NATURE 
THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN RURAL 
CANADA.
AND SO ONE CAN ONLY SPECULATE 
AND HOPE THAT THIS WILL NOT HAVE
IRREPARABLE CONSEQUENCES.
WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE 
DIFFERENT, DANGEROUS TIMES.
WE KNOW THAT MENTAL HEALTH 
ISSUES ARE RAMPANT IN SOME 
COMMUNITIES, IN PLACES.
WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT 
FLIGHT THE FOCUS IS ON THE -- 
RIGHT NOW THE FOCUS IS ON THE 
VICTIMS, THE FAMILIES AND THOSE 
THAT HAVE LOST LOVED ONES.
SUCH A SENSELESS ACT OF 
VIOLENCE.
ONE CANNOT IMAGINE THE PAIN THAT
PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING RIGHT NOW.
>> Carole: PETER MacKAY, THANK 
YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO JOIN 
ME.
>> THANK YOU, CAROLE.
>> Carole: YOU'RE WATCHING 
SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE TRAGEDY 
IN NOVA SCOTIA.
YOU'RE WATCHING CBC NEWS 
NETWORK.
BACK IN A MOMENT.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> Carole: NOVA SCOTIANS AND 
OTHER CANADIANS ARE COMING 
TOGETHER TO MOURN AND PAY 
TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO DIED IN 
THAT VICIOUS ATTACK ON THE 
WEEKEND.
FELLOW NOVA SCOTIAN HANNAH 
THIBEDEAU HAS BEEN TRACKING THIS
PART OF THE STORY.
HOW ARE PEOPLE COMING TO GRIPS 
WITH WHAT HAPPENED?
>> YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO 
THESE ARE EXTREMELY TIGHT-KNIT 
COMMUNITIES.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE COMMUNITIES OF
JUST 100, BUT ALL NOVA SCOTIANS 
ARE TOUCHED BY WHAT THEY SAW 
HAPPEN OVER THE WEEKEND.
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE KILLED IN 
THIS TRAGIC, TRAGIC INCIDENT.
AND, IN FACT, THE FIRST PERSON 
WAS IDENTIFIED WAS CORPORAL 
HEIDI STEVENSON.
HERE'S PHOTOS OF HER.
SHE, OF COURSE, A VETERAN OF THE
FORCE.
SHE HAD TWO YOUNG CHILDREN.
AND TODAY OFFICERS AND EVERYDAY 
PEOPLE, RESIDENTS, LINED UP FOR 
A PROCESSION AS CONSTABLE 
STEVENSON'S BODY WAS TAKEN TO 
THE RCMP NOVA SCOTIA 
HEADQUARTERS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE.
IN THE NEXT STILL, YOU SEE THAT 
JUST EVERYDAY PEOPLE CAME OUT TO
PAY THEIR TRIBUTES TO CONSTABLE 
STEVENSON.
OF COURSE, AS WELL, RECOGNIZING 
THAT PHYSICAL DISTANCING WHILE 
DOING SO.
THERE WERE ALSO MAKESHIFT 
MEMORIALS.
AND WE'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF 
THOSE, WHERE PEOPLE JUST CAME.
THEY STARTED TO BRING FLOWERS.
WE SEE VETERANS THERE.
JUST BRINGING FLOWERS, PAYING 
TRIBUTE, ALSO HAVING A MOMENT TO
REFLECT IN SILENCE.
NOW CONSTABLE CHAD MORRISON, 
HE'S THE OTHER CONSTABLE.
WE'LL SEE HIM IN A SECOND.
CONSTABLE CHAD MORRISON, THERE 
HE IS THERE, HE WAS THE OTHER 
CONSTABLE INJURED DURING THIS.
BUT SOMETHING NEAT HAPPENED.
HE WAS RELEASED FROM THE 
HOSPITAL TODAY.
YOU CAN SEE HIM THERE.
LET ME SHOW YOU THIS VIDEO.
IT WAS A NOVA SCOTIA WOMAN WHO 
ORGANIZED A ROADSIDE TRIBUTE FOR
THE OFFICER AND PEOPLE LINED UP 
ALONG THE ROUTE.
LOOK AT THIS.
AND THEN YOU SEE HIM IN ONE OF 
THE VEHICLES THERE.
PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY, THEY 
WAVED, SOME WERE CRYING.
THEY WERE ALL SAYING THANK YOU.
SO CONSTABLE MORRISON WOULD KNOW
THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY WAS 
ABSOLUTELY BEHIND HIM.
AGAIN, WE'LL SHOW YOU -- LOOK 
JUST HOW LONG THAT LINE OF 
PEOPLE ARE CLAPPING ALONGSIDE OF
THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT NOVA SCOTIANS DO.
I KNOW EVERYBODY ACROSS CANADA 
ARE ALSO THINKING THE SAME 
THING.
HERE'S A PICTURE OF CONSTABLE 
MORRISON AT HOME.
HE WAS WAVING HIS ARM, SHOWING 
THAT HE IS HAPPY TO BE 
RECOVERING AT HOME.
THIS IS A PHOTO HE PUT UP ON 
Facebook EARLIER TODAY.
HE POSTED THIS PICTURE.
IN THAT NOTE HE SAID HE'S DOING 
WELL AND HE'S OVERWHELMED BY THE
CALLS, THE MESSAGES, THE CARDS, 
THE FLOWERS, THE COOKIES, THE 
CONDOLENCES AND OFFERS TO HELP.
IN IT HE SAYS FOR ANYBODY WHO IS
WORRIED ABOUT ME, THERE IS NO 
NEED.
HE GOES ON TO SAY, I'M OKAY, 
SURROUNDED BY LOVE.
I CONSIDER MYSELF EXTREMELY 
LUCKY TO BE ALIVE RIGHT NOW AND 
I'M GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING I 
HAVE.
LET ME SHOW YOU ANOTHER STILL.
YOU'LL CONNECT WITH THIS, TOO.
IN THE EAST COAST, WHEN THINGS 
LIKE THIS HAPPEN, PEOPLE WANT TO
DELIVER FOOD, THEY WANT TO BRING
COFFEE.
LOOK, THIS RESIDENT MADE SURE TO
COME OUT AND SAY THANK YOU TO 
THE RCMP FOR ALL THEY DID OVER 
THE PAST WEEKEND AND CONTINUE TO
DO NOW.
THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THOSE 16
SITES AND CONTINUE TO 
INVESTIGATE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND THEN LET'S GO FORWARD, LOOK 
AT THESE HAND-PAINTED SIGNS.
THANK YOU NOTES.
HEARTS.
EVERYBODY JUST SAYING THANK YOU 
FOR BEING THERE.
THERE WE GO.
PRAY FOR THE POLICE.
SO YOU CAN JUST SEE WHAT THE 
OUTPOURING FROM NOVA SCOTIANS 
AND THEY'RE TELLING EACH OTHER 
TO STAY STRONG.
LOOK AT THAT ON THE SCHOOLYARD.
A WHOLE BUNCH OF LITTLE HEARTS 
FROM KIDS, TOO.
>> Carole: I IMAGINE CHAD 
MORRISON WILL NEVER HAVE TO COOK
ANOTHER COOKIE OR A MEAL EVER 
AGAIN.
>> Hannah: ISN'T THAT WHAT 
EVERYONE DOES IN NOVA SCOTIA?
COOK MEALS.
BUT YOU HAVE TO SOCIAL DISTANCE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE TOUGH THINGS.
YOU CAN'T GO AND HAVE ONE OF 
THOSE TYPICAL FUNERALS YOU HAVE 
TO PAY RESPECT.
SO THERE WILL BE TRIBUTE ON 
FRIDAY -- WE DON'T HAVE MANY 
DETAILS RIGHT NOW -- BUT THIS IS
GOING TO BE A TRIBUTE VIA THE 
INTERNET.
>> Carole: THANK YOU.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
♪ I ONCE WAS LOST ♪
♪ BUT NOW AM FOUND ♪
♪ WAS BLIND BUT NOW I SEE ♪
>> Carole: A RENDITION OF 
"AMAZING GRACE" FROM LILY 
ALEXANDER.
SHE'S A LOCAL ARTIST FROM NEW 
BRUNSWICK SENDING HER SUPPORT TO
THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA.
SHE'S ONE OF MANY MUSICIANS 
OFFERING COM -- COMFORT TO 
PEOPLE ONLINE.
LILY AND "AMAZING GRACE".
♪ THE HOUR I FIRST BELIEVED ♪
♪ THROUGH DANGERS TOIL AND 
SNARES ♪
♪ WE HAVE ALREADY COME ♪
♪ 
>> STRUCTURE FIRE.
THERE IS A PERSON DOWN THERE 
WITH A GUN.
THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR HIM.
IT'S VERY VAGUE WHAT IS GOING ON
DOWN THERE.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
[BAGPIPES PLAYING "AMAZING 
GRACE"] 
[ ♪♪♪ ]
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> Carole: THE NATIONAL SYMBOL 
OF GRIEF AND LOSS.
THE CANADIAN FLAG FLYING 
HALF-MAST IN NOVA SCOTIA AND THE
NATION'S CAPITAL TONIGHT.
FLYING IN HONOUR OF NOVA SCOTIA 
AND THE MANY VICTIMS WHO DIED IN
ONE OF THE WORST MASS KILLINGS 
THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN.
GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I'M CAROLE MacNEIL.
THIS IS CBC NEWS SPECIAL WHAT 
HAPPENED IN NOVA SCOTIA THIS 
PAST WEEKEND IS EVERY 
COMMUNITY'S WORST NIGHTMARE.
A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY 
TURNING ON FELLOW CITIZENS WITH 
UNIMAGINABLE VICIOUSNESS.
THE ANCHOR FOR CBC NOVA SCOTIA 
NEWS, TOM MURPHY, IS OUTSIDE THE
DETACHMENT IN ENFIELD WHERE 
THERE IS A GROWING TRIBUTE TO 
THE VICTIMS.
TOM?
>> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S IMPRESSIVE.
OVER THE LAST HOUR AND A HALF OR
SO, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMING HERE
PRETTY MUCH NONSTOP TO DROP OFF 
FLOWERS, WRITE A MESSAGE ON THE 
FLAG BEHIND ME OR DROP OFF A 
CARD.
JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO THERE WAS
A SMUDGING CEREMONY, WHICH IS 
SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF 
INDIGENOUS CULTURES WILL DO.
IT'S A SERVICE TO REPRESENT OR 
TO RECOGNIZE THE SPIRITS OF 
THOSE INVOLVED.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SAW PLAY OUT 
HERE A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
THERE IS THINGS LIKE THAT 
HAPPENED ACROSS THE PROVINCE.
AND ALSO A BUSY DAY, THIS FIRST 
FULL DAY, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY,
OF INVESTIGATION BY THE RCMP.
STILL A LOT MORE QUESTIONS THAN 
ANSWERS ABOUT WHAT TRANSPIRED, 
WHY IT HAPPENED AND STILL TRYING
TO DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF 
PEOPLE EFFECTED BY THIS, VICTIMS
AND FAMILY MEMBERS ALIKE.
THE RCMP TRIED TO TALK ABOUT 
THIS WOULD BE SLOW MOVING.
HERE'S THE LATEST ON THE 
INVESTIGATION.
>> THEY ARE THE FINGERPRINTS OF 
A MASS KILLER.
THE CHARRED AND LEVELLED HOMES.
THE BURNED OUT CARS.
EVIDENCE OF A CRIME SPREE THAT 
IS BEING COMBED THROUGH.
A TWISTED PUZZLE THAT SPREAD 
OVER MORE THAN 90 KILOMETRES.
NO FEWER THAN 16 CRIME SCENES 
ACCORDING TO THE RCMP.
>> WE'RE RELATIVELY CONFIDENT 
WE'VE IDENTIFIED ALL THE CRIME 
SCENES, HOWEVER, WE'VE BEEN 
UNABLE TO FULLY EXAMINE THE 
CRIME SCENES BECAUSE, FOR 
INSTANCE, WE HAVE HAD FIVE 
STRUCTURE FIRES, MOST OF THOSE 
BEING RESIDENCES, AND WE BELIEVE
THERE MAY BE VICTIMS STILL 
WITHIN THE REMAINS OF THOSE 
HOMES.
>> Reporter: SO THAT IS 18 
VICTIMS AND COUNTING.
ALL ADULTS.
THEIR CONNECTION OR THEIR 
RANDOMNESS TO THE KILLER STILL 
NOT CLEAR.
>> THE SUBJECT DID KNOW SOME OF 
HIS VICTIMS AND YET OTHERS HE 
DID NOT KNOW.
>> Reporter: AND THE QUESTIONS, 
THEY KEEP COMING.
AMONG THEM, THE POLICE UNIFORM 
OR THE FACSIMILE THEREOF THAT 
THE SHOOTER WAS WEARING.
WHERE DID HE GET IT?
THEY DON'T KNOW.
>> BENEFITTED BY THE FACT THAT 
HE HAD A VEHICLE THAT LOOKED 
IDENTICAL IN EVERY WAY TO A 
MARKED POLICE CAR.
BEYOND THAT, HE WAS WEARING A 
POLICE UNIFORM.
>> Reporter: ON THE ISSUE OF WHY
A PROVINCE-WIDE EMERGENCY ALERT 
WAS NOT ISSUED TO PEOPLE'S CELL 
PHONES AND T.V.s, THE RCMP SAID 
THIS --
>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I 
DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU AT 
THIS MOMENT.
WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT AND I 
HOPE TO HAVE A MORE FULSOME 
RESPONSE FOR YOU TOMORROW.
>> Reporter: WHAT IS SO 
PAINFULLY CLEAR AND OUT IN THE 
OPEN NOW?
THE GRIEF.
FROM RCMP DETACHMENTS TO FLAG 
POLES IN HOMES AND IN HEARTS, 
WITH MORE TO COME.
WE ARE EXPECTING TO SEE MORE IN 
THE COMING DAYS AND WEEKS.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS A VIRTUAL 
VIGIL PLANNED FOR FRIDAY NIGHT.
THAT IS SORT OF A HALLMARK OF 
THE TIMES, ISN'T IT, WHEN YOU 
THINK ABOUT IT, IN THESE 
COVID-19 DAYS, IN THE MIDDLE OF 
A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.
OF COURSE, LARGE GROUPS OF 
PEOPLE CANNOT GET TOGETHER.
SO FAMILY MEMBERS NOW TRYING TO 
PLAN CHURCH SERVICES, WAKES OR 
FUNERALS FOR THE DECEASED, 
REALLY FACE A CONUNDRUM, AT A 
TIME WHEN THEY WANT TO BE CLOSE 
TO ONE ANOTHER, THE STRENGTH OF 
FAMILY NEARBY, OF COURSE, WE 
KNOW THEY CANNOT HAVE THESE 
LARGE GATHERINGS.
EVEN TODAY, THE PREMIER OF NOVA 
SCOTIA GENTLY REMINDED PEOPLE 
THERE CAN BE NO MORE THAN FIVE 
PEOPLE AT A GATHERING.
AND THAT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT 
SOMETHING THAT THE FAMILIES WANT
TO HEAR.
MANY PEOPLE WE'VE HEARD FROM 
UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS, 
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S THE WORLD WE 
LIVE IN RIGHT NOW, BUT IT 
DOESN'T MAKE THIS ANY EASIER AS 
THE PAIN CONTINUES TO BE FELT 
ACROSS NOVA SCOTIA.
>> Carole: THANK YOU.
TOM MURPHY, THE ANCHOR FOR CBC 
NOVA SCOTIA NEWS.
THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT
NEED ANSWERS.
MAYBE NOT TODAY, BUT SOON.
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OF THE 
VICTIMS, INCLUDING THE RCMP 
OFFICER WHO DIED?
DID THE POLICE HAVE THE 
RESOURCES THEY NEEDED.
MY COLLEAGUE VASSY KAPELOS 
PRESSED BILL BLAIR ON THE POINT.
>> ARE YOU SATISFIED THAT RCMP 
OFFICERS INVOLVED HAD THE 
EQUIPMENT THEY NEEDED TO DEAL 
WITH THE SITUATION?
>> WELL, NOW E, I'M NOT GOING TO
ENGAGE SPECULATION OR 
CONJECTURE.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE RCMP 
CONDUCT THIS INVESTIGATION AND 
DO IT THOROUGHLY AND WE GET ALL 
THE FACTS.
IT'S VERY EARLY IN THE 
INVESTIGATION.
THE RCMP IS DOING THEIR JOB.
ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED 
AFTER MANY YEARS OF CONDUCTING 
COMPLEX INVESTIGATIONS IS WHAT 
YOU KNOW IN THE FIRST FEW HOURS 
IS OFTEN INCOMPLETE AND 
SOMETIMES INACCURATE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE THE RCMP 
TIME TO GATHER THE EVIDENCE AND 
GET TO THE TRUTH OF WHAT 
TRANSPIRED AND THEN WE'LL DEAL 
WITH WHAT THE EVIDENCE TELLS US.
>> Vassy: TIME IN ASKING YOU 
TO -- I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO 
SPECULATE, I'M ASKING BASED ON 
PAST INCIDENTS WHICH UP UNTIL 
LAST YEAR WAS HIGHLIGHTED BY THE
AUDITOR GENERAL IN WHICH 
CARBINES WERE NOT MADE AVAILABLE
TO THE RCMP OFFICERS TO THE 
DEGREE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN, 
NOR WAS THE TRAINING THERE FOR 
THEM ON THE EQUIPMENT.
I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE ANY IDEA 
IF THAT IS THE CASE HERE, BUT IS
THAT A QUESTION YOU HAVE HERE?
ARE YOU SATISFIED THEY HAVE WHAT
THEY NEEDED?
>> WE EXAMINED WHAT HAPPENED IN 
MONCTON, FREDERICTON, AND 
MAYERTHORPE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE 
LOST THEIR LIVES.
I'M SURE THAT EVIDENCE WILL BE 
EXAMINED THOROUGHLY IN THIS 
CASE.
>> Carole: THAT WAS PUBLIC 
SAFETY MINISTER BILL BLAIR.
HE SAID AUTHORITIES WOULD BE 
LOOKING INTO WHETHER THE 
OFFICERS HAD THE PROPER 
RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH A MASS 
KILLING IN THE RURAL PART OF 
NOVA SCOTIA.
THIS IS A NIGHTMARE THAT IS NOT 
OVER.
A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY 
TURNING ON THEIR OWN IN A 
12-HOUR KILLING SPREE.
JOINING ME FROM SURREY, B.C., TO
TALK ABOUT POLICING IN RURAL 
COMMUNITIES AND THE CHALLENGES 
IS DOUG KILOH.
HE IS FORMER MEMBER OF THE 
EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM WITH THE
RCMP.
DOUG, WELCOME TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
AND THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
CONDOLENCES TO CERTAINLY THE 
POLICE MEMBER'S FAMILY, THE 
POLICE COMMUNITY AND ALL THE 
PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA.
>> Carole: WHAT WAS YOUR 
REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT 
WHAT HAPPENED AND THE SCOPE OF 
IT?
>> I THINK PROBABLY WITH ALL 
POLICE OFFICERS THERE IS THE 
IMMEDIATE SHOCK AND VERY 
DISTURBING FACTS COMING IN AND 
CONCERN FOR ALL THE PEOPLE YOU 
KNOW, ALL THE COMMUNITY.
AND AS EVENTS UNFOLDED, CONCERN 
THAT THE INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE 
CONTAINED AND STOPPED AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE.
>> Carole: WHAT IS IT LIKE AS A 
FORMER MEMBER OF THE RCMP TO 
HEAR THAT A MEMBER OF THE RCMP 
LOST THEIR LIVES?
>> WELL, YOU'RE AWARE OF 6º OF 
SEPARATION AND IT'S LESS.
I KNOW PEOPLE WHO KNOW THESE 
PEOPLE PERSONALLY.
I KNOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE YOU'VE
INTERVIEWED ON AIR AND THAT ARE 
WORKING THERE PERSONALLY.
SO IT AFFECTS AN INDIVIDUAL, 
WITH A MUCH GREATER DEGREE OF 
SHOCK AND SADNESS.
>> Carole: WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE,
TAKE US THROUGH IT.
WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WHEN 
THAT FIRST CALL CAME IN?
WE HEARD JUST MOMENTS AGO THE 
SCANNER FROM THE CALL THAT WENT 
TO 911, SAYING IT'S A BAD SCENE,
WE NEED HELP, AS SOON AS THEY 
GET THAT CALL THAT THERE IS A 
SHOOTER, WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL?
>> IMMEDIATELY -- AND I THINK 
IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED AS AN ACTIVE
SHOOTER -- SO IMMEDIATELY POLICE
OFFICERS IN THE AREA, NO MATTER 
WHAT THEY'RE DOING ARE GOING TO 
BE HEADING TOWARDS THAT 
SITUATION.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE 
GETTING.
ALL THEY HAVE IS INFORMATION.
ALL THEY CAN RELY ON IS THEIR 
TRAINING.
AND IN THIS INSTANCE, AGAIN, 
THEY DIDN'T HAVE FACT.
THEY HAD INFORMATION.
NOTHING HAD BEEN CONFIRMED.
NOTHING HAD BEEN RELAYED TO THE 
ON COMING MEMBERS.
THEY WERE GOING TO TROUBLE.
THAT'S ALL THEY NEEDED TO KNOW 
AND IT WAS A HIGH-RISK 
SITUATION.
>> Carole: WOULD THEY HAVE 
DONNED VESTS, PREPARED 
THEMSELVES FOR THIS PARTICULAR 
SITUATION?
AND IF SO, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE 
CHANGED ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD 
HANDLE A REGULAR CALL?
>> WELL, THERE IS A NUMBER OF 
COMPONENTS TO THAT QUESTION 
OBVIOUSLY.
WITH RESPECT TO EQUIPMENT AND 
VESTS, I WOULD SUSPECT THEY ARE 
ALL WEARING THEIR BODY ARMOUR, 
HOWEVER, DEPENDING ON THE 
CAPACITY OF THE FIRE POWER THAT 
THEY'RE WALKING INTO, DEPENDING 
ON THE CAPACITY OF THE 
INDIVIDUAL, ALL OF THOSE FACTORS
WOULD PLAY IN WHETHER OR NOT 
THAT PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT WOULD 
BE SATISFACTORY TO DEAL WITH THE
ISSUE.
AS WELL AS ANY LOCATION OF ANY 
INJURY THAT MIGHT BE DEPLOYED.
WITH RESPECT TO THE TRAINING, AS
A 23-YEAR MEMBER, CONSTABLE 
STEVENSON WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE 
HAD SOME TRAINING WITH REGARDS 
TO THIS.
IT WOULD BE HAVE HER SIDE ARM, 
LIKELY A CARBINE, AND OTHER 
TOOLS, BUT AGAIN, WHETHER OR NOT
YOU GET ACCESS TO THEM, WHETHER 
OR NOT YOU CAN UTILIZE THEM FROM
A SAFE LOCATION, AGAIN, THERE IS
A NUMBER OF DETAILS AND FACTS 
THAT AREN'T IN THE PUBLIC EYE 
YET, SO I CAN'T COMMENT AS TO 
SAFETY LOGISTICS, HOW THEY 
ACTUALLY RESPONDED, AND THE 
DIFFICULTY THEY FACED.
>> Carole: I GUESS ONE OF THE 
QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL EVENTUALLY 
BE ASKING IS HOW MUCH WHAT 
HAPPENED IN MONCTON IN THE 
KILLING OF THOSE FOUR POLICE 
OFFICERS CHANGED THE PROTOCOL ON
THE GROUND IN RURAL NOVA SCOTIA?
>> WELL, I WOULD GO BACK BEFORE 
MONCTON, MAYERTHORPE, GO BACK TO
THE HISTORY OF POLICING.
AND EVERY SHOOTING DEATH OF A 
POLICE OFFICER IS REVIEWED IN 
DETAIL.
IT'S SHARED AMONGST ALL POLICE 
WHAT CAN BE DONE, HOW WE CAN BE 
BETTER PREPARED, WHAT EQUIPMENT 
MIGHT HAVE HELPED, WHAT IS 
APPROPRIATE AND WHAT ISN'T.
I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THE 
LESSONS OF MONCTON OR 
MAYERTHORPE OR OTHERS HAVE BEEN 
HEEDED BY ALL THE MEMBERS AS 
THEY'RE AWARE OF THEM.
AND THEY WOULD ADDRESS THOSE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOMEONE 
DOESN'T HAVE TO GO IN.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE 
TO GET THE ACTUAL FACTS AND WE 
HAVE TO RISK CONTACT TO FIND OUT
THE INFORMATION.
KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE THE 
SUSPECT WAS, KNOWING EXACTLY 
WHAT THE SUSPECT HAD, IS ALL 
INFORMATION THAT SHE LIKELY 
DIDN'T HAVE, BUT WAS RESPONDING 
TO SAVE OTHER PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST OFFICERS 
DO.
THERE IS A HIGH-RISK MOMENT 
UNTIL THEY CAN IDENTIFY THE 
LOCATION AND PLACE OF THE 
INDIVIDUAL AND THE SAFETY AND 
HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH 
IT.
>> Carole: DOUG KILOH JOINING US
FROM SURREY, BRITISH COLUMBIA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
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>> Carole: THOSE ARE JUST A FEW 
OF THE PEOPLE KILLED IN THE MASS
SHOOTING IN NOVA SCOTIA OVER THE
WEEKEND.
POLICE HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO 
RELEASE THE NAMES OF ALL THOSE 
KILLED, BUT THEIR FRIENDS AND 
RELATIVES HAVE BEEN PAYING 
TRIBUTE TO THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
AN RCMP CONSTABLE, A FAMILY OF 
THREE, CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS AND
NURSES AMONG THOSE WHO DIED.
SUSANA DA SILVA IS WORKING ON 
THE STORIES OF THOSE VICTIMS.
LET'S BEGIN WITH WHAT WE KNOW 
ABOUT LISA McCULLY, A BELOVED 
TEACHER.
>> Reporter: SHE TAUGHT GRADES 3
AND 4 AND THOSE WHO KNOW HER 
DESCRIBE HER AS SOMEONE WHO 
WOULD JUST LIGHT UP A ROOM.
SHE WAS A DEDICATED MOTHER, A 
DEDICATED TEACHER.
BUT ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT 
OTHERS AND ADVOCATE FOR HER 
STUDENTS.
ESPECIALLY STUDENTS THAT NEEDED 
EXTRA HELP.
SHE WAS THERE TO ADVOCATE ON 
THEIR BEHALF.
EVEN THOUGH HER CLASSROOM SAT 
EMPTY THE LAST FEW WEEKS LIKE 
CLASSROOMS ALL ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY, SHE HAS BEEN WORKING 
HARDER THAN EVER, TRYING TO MAKE
THAT CONNECTION WITH HER 
STUDENTS AND PARENTS TO KEEP THE
LEARNING UP, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE
FORCED TO BE HOME BECAUSE OF 
COVID-19.
HER COLLEAGUES ARE HEARTBROKEN.
AND REMEMBERING A TEACHER, ONE 
OF THOSE ONES WHO WOULD BE THE 
FIRST TO VOLUNTEER.
IF SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE, 
SHE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO OFFER 
HER HELP AND THEY'RE REMEMBERING
HER NOW.
>> WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IN OUR
SMALL RURAL COMMUNITY IN THIS 
AREA WE WOULD HAVE SUCH A 
TERRIBLE HEINOUS ACT PERFORMED 
ON SO MANY FAMILIES?
LISA WAS JUST A FABULOUS PERSON.
SHE WAS ONE OF THE MOST POSITIVE
PEOPLE I WORKED WITH.
AND FOR THIS TO HAPPEN TO HER 
AND HER FAMILY IS AN ABSOLUTE 
TRAGEDY.
THERE ARE MANY FAMILIES HURTING 
IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW AND 
OUR THOUGHTS GO TO ALL OF THEM.
>> Reporter: ONE OF HER FRIENDS 
SPOKE TO CBC AND SAID THEY 
TALKED TO HER A WEEK AGO AND SHE
WAS TRYING TO TAKE THE POSITIVE,
BEING ABLE TO STAY AT HOME AND 
SPEND THAT TIME WITH HER 
CHILDREN, AGED 10 AND 12.
THEY ARE MAKING BREAD, BUILDING 
MAZES, PLAYING UKULELE AND SHE 
WAS ENJOYING THE TIME SHE WAS 
ABLE TO SPEND WITH THEM.
MEMORIES THEY'RE FORCED TO HANG 
ONTO AS THEY GRIEVE FOR THEIR 
MOTHER.
>> Carole: AMONG THE VICTIMS, 
TWO NURSES?
>> YES, TWO NURSES.
KRISTEN BEATON, SHE'S A NEW WIFE
AND MOTHER.
SHE'D BEEN BRAVING THE COVID 
FIGHT LIKE SO MANY HEALTH CARE 
WORKERS.
THE VICTORIA ORDER OF NURSES 
PROVIDED STATEMENTS ABOUT THE 
WOMEN, SAYING THAT THE 
FRONT-LINE WORKERS ARE HEROES.
THEY SAY KRISTEN BEATON WAS A 
CONTINUING CARE ASSISTANT, YOUNG
WIFE AND MOTHER.
SHE BEGAN WORK SIX YEARS AGO.
AND WAS A CARING COMPASSIONATE 
MEMBER OF THE TEAM.
HEATHER O'BRIEN, LICENSED 
PRACTICAL NURSE, WIFE, MOTHER 
AND GRANDMOTHER.
SHE SHARED HER DEEP CARING FOR 
OTHERS AS A VON NURSE.
HER DAUGHTER SAYING HER MOTHER 
WAS MURDERED BY A MONSTER AND 
SHE WAS A KIND AND BEAUTIFUL 
WOMAN.
WE'LL LEARN MORE OVER THE COMING
DAYS.
THESE BITS AND PIECES THAT PAINT
PICTURES OF LIVES.
AND NOW THESE COMMUNITIES AND 
FAMILIES ARE STRUGGLING TO 
REMEMBER THEM, IN A WAY LIKE 
WE'VE NEVER HAD TO BEFORE 
BECAUSE OF COVID-19, TO COME 
TOGETHER WITHOUT ACTUALLY COMING
TOGETHER AND REMEMBER ALL OF 
THESE LIVES LOST.
>> Carole: THANK YOU.
PEOPLE IN NOVA SCOTIA AND ACROSS
CANADA HAVE BEEN MOURNING THE 
LOSS OF THOSE KILLED IN THE MASS
SHOOTING.
DURING THIS TIME MANY PEOPLE MAY
HAVE DIFFICULTY COPING.
THE CANADIAN RESEARCH CHAIR IN 
CHILD, FAMILY AND COMMUNITY 
RESILIENCE, PROFESSOR OF SOCIAL 
WORKER AT DALHOUSIE UNIVERSITY 
AND JOINS ME NOW FROM HALIFAX TO
DISCUSS COPING AND BUILDING 
RESILIENCE IN A COMMUNITY AFTER 
SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
MICHAEL, AS SOMEBODY SITTING 
THERE IN NOVA SCOTIA, WHAT WAS 
YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU FIRST 
HEARD THE NEWS IN NOVA SCOTIA?
>> TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, LIKE 
MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON MY STREET 
AND NEIGHBOURHOOD, IT WAS 
COMPLETE -- WE DON'T SEE 
OURSELVES AS THIS KIND OF THING 
HAPPENING HERE.
IT'S NOT PART OF OUR IDENTITY.
WE DON'T THINK OF THESE THINGS 
BEING LOCAL.
WE'RE MORE THE KIND OF PEOPLE 
THAT GO OVER AND HELP EACH OTHER
DURING A CRISIS.
THAT'S WHAT HOLDS OUR 
COMMUNITIES TOGETHER.
I KNOW THE COMMUNITY WHERE THIS 
IS ORIGINALLY FROM.
THEY'RE SMALL, TIGHT-KNIT, VERY 
BEAUTIFUL.
THAT WAS SORT OF THE SHOCK.
I THINK EVERYBODY HAD BEEN 
SWAPPING E-MAILS AND TEXTS 
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW COULD 
THIS BE HAPPENING HERE?
IT'S NOT US, IT DOESN'T FEEL 
RIGHT.
>> Carole: I IMAGINE THE OTHER 
CONFUSION IS, THIS WAS A MEMBER 
OF OUR NEARBY COMMUNITY.
THIS WAS A FELLOW NOVA SCOTIAN 
WHO EXHIBITED, AS FAR AS ANYBODY
CAN TELL, NO INDICATION THAT HE 
WOULD BE CAPABLE OF THIS.
>> NO.
AND THAT'S WHAT IS TAKING 
EVERYBODY A MOMENT TO PAUSE.
IT'S CHALLENGING US TO THINK 
ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND HOW WE KNOW
OUR NEIGHBOURS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT IT'S 
ALSO DOING, IT SEEMS TO BE 
DRAWING PEOPLE QUICKLY TO ASSERT
THAT THIS DOES NOT REPRESENT WHO
WE ARE.
AND WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE 
PANDEMIC, THERE IS NOT THAT 
ABILITY TO COME OUT OF OUR HOME 
AND RECLAIM THE SPACE AROUND US 
TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT 
WHAT NOVA SCOTIANS ARE, THIS IS 
NOT WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE HERE.
PEOPLE OFTEN CHOOSE TO LIVE 
HERE, ESPECIALLY IN OUR SMALL 
COMMUNITIES.
BUT I GET THE SENSE PEOPLE WILL 
GET BACK TO THAT.
IT'S FAR TOO EARLY.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS 
HAPPENED.
BUT THIS IS SOMEONE WHO HAD A 
LOT OF CONTACT.
I FEEL WE'RE ALL JUST ONE DEGREE
OF SEPARATION FROM SOMEBODY WE 
KNOW, WHICH IS GOING TO BRING 
THAT TRAGEDY INTO MOST OF OUR 
FAMILIES AND HOMES.
>> Carole: WHAT ARE THE STEPS 
THAT A COMMUNITY CAN TAKE TO 
BUILD RESILIENCE IN THE WAKE OF 
THIS TRAGEDY CONSIDERING THAT 
PEOPLE CAN'T HUG EACH OTHER 
UNLESS THEY'RE IN THE SAME 
HOUSE?
>> YOU KNOW, I STUDY RESILIENCE 
AND COMMUNITIES.
I'VE WORKED WITH OTHER 
COMMUNITIES WHERE MAJOR 
PROBLEMS, WILDFIRES, BUSINESSES 
CLOSING, I'VE DONE ALL THIS.
THERE IS NOT ANY RESEARCH WHERE 
YOU HAVE TWO HUGE PROBLEMS 
OCCURRING AT THE SAME TIME.
AND WE DO KNOW THAT RISKS, THEY 
ACCUMULATE.
THEY VELCRO TOGETHER SO YOU HAVE
EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN WHAT 
PEOPLE EXPERIENCE, BUT THE 
COMMUNITIES, THEY TAKE BACK 
THEIR PUBLIC SPACES.
THEY HONOUR THEMSELVES AND THOSE
THEY'VE LOST THROUGH MEXS 
MEMORIALS.
I KNOW COLCHESTER COUNTY IS 
GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT 
ONLINE.
WE TRY TO GET BACK INTO OUR 
ROUTINE, WHICH IS COMPLICATED BY
THE PANDEMIC.
AS WE LOOK AT EACH OTHER, FROM A
DISTANCE, GETTING THAT FEELING 
YOU'RE CONNECTED TO A NEIGHBOUR,
A SHOUTOUT AS YOU'RE WALKING 
AROUND THE NEIGHBOURHOOD, 
ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE US 
FEEL ACCOUNTABLE AGAIN TO OTHERS
AND PERHAPS TO REASSURE 
OURSELVES AND OTHERS WE'RE SAFE.
GO AND TALK TO A POLICE OFFICER.
TALK TO A FIRST RESPONDER.
DO ANYTHING THAT REASSERTS THAT 
WE'RE STILL COHESIVE AND WE CAN 
DRAW MEANING OUT OF THIS.
>> Carole: OFTEN TIMES LIKE 
THIS -- WE JUST SAW THE PICTURES
OF PEOPLE BRINGING FLOWERS, 
PAYING RESPECTS, LEAVING THEM AT
A RESPECTFUL DISTANCE OUTSIDE OF
THE RCMP, OUTSIDE OF PEOPLE'S 
HOMES, ALSO LEAVING FOOD FOR 
PEOPLE TO BE PICKED UP, OF 
COURSE, AT A RESPECTABLE 
DISTANCE, RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE
STILL IN THE TIME OF COVID-19.
WHAT ROLE DO THESE THINGS PLAY 
IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE TRYING TO
PUT THEIR LIVES BACK TOGETHER?
>> ONE, IT'S SUPPORT TO PEOPLE 
WHO ARE EXPERIENCING THIS 
FIRSTHAND, BUT WE DO KNOW FROM 
LOTS OF RESEARCH, COMMUNITIES 
THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH TRAGEDY, 
THAT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO 
EXPRESS GRATITUDE FOR THE SMALL 
THINGS WE STILL HAVE, SOMETHING 
SPECIAL ABOUT US.
AND THAT REACHING OUT AND 
SHOWING CARING, IT MAKES -- OF 
COURSE IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE WE'RE
HELPING.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE LIGHT OF 
THAT, BUT IT DOES ALSO PAY BACK.
IT MEANS WE FEEL CONTROL.
WE GAIN THAT SENSE WE CAN 
CONTROL SOMETHING.
>> Carole: MICHAEL, THANK YOU SO
MUCH.
MICHAEL UNGAR, SPEAKING WITH US 
FROM HALIFAX.
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IN ANY INCIDENT SUCH AS THIS, WE
HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT WHAT WE 
DID.
NOBODY CAN LOSE THEIR LIFE IN 
VAIN.
AND HEIDI WILL NOT LOSE HER LIFE
IN VAIN.
NOR WILL THE 17 OTHER VICTIMS.
>> Carole: THE COMMISSIONER OF 
THE RCMP SAYING IT WILL TAKE 
TIME BEFORE WE KNOW HOW THE 
VICTIMS DIED.
THERE ARE 18 OF THEM NOW.
INVESTIGATIONS ARE UNDER WAY AT 
16 CRIME SCENES ACROSS NOVA 
SCOTIA WITH HELP FROM RCMP FROM 
ACROSS THE NATION.
POLICE SAY THE SUSPECT WAS ABLE 
TO MOVE AROUND THE PROVINCE 
EASILY, IN PART BECAUSE HE WAS 
PRETENDING TO BE A POLICE 
OFFICER IN A VEHICLE LIKE THE 
ONE YOU SEE THERE.
INVESTIGATORS NOW NEED TO 
DETERMINE WHAT WEAPONS MAY HAVE 
BEEN USED AT EACH OF THE 
LOCATIONS.
POLICE ARE ALSO WARNING THAT THE
DEATH TOLL MAY RISE.
AUTHORITIES BELIEVE THE GUNMAN 
TRAVELLED 50 KILOMETRES.
THEY BELIEVE HE KNEW SOME OF THE
VICTIMS AND OTHERS APPEAR MORE 
RANDOM.
ALL OF THEM IN A RURAL STRETCH 
OF NOVA SCOTIA'S NORTH SHORE.
NOT FAR FROM THE CAPITAL OF 
HALIFAX.
IN FACT, LET'S GO TO HALIFAX NOW
AND PRESTON MULLIGAN.
POLICE WERE CALLED EARLY SUNDAY 
MORNING, TAKE US THROUGH WHAT 
HAPPENED.
>> Reporter: HI, CAROLE.
WE'LL TAKE YOU TO WENTWORTH, 
NOVA SCOTIA, IT'S 55 KILOMETRES 
NORTH OF PORTAPIQUE.
AT 8:00 ON SUNDAY MORNING, 
PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALONG THE HUNTER
ROAD IN WENTWORTH, THEY HEARD 
GUN FIRE AND A LOUD EXPLOSION.
HUNTER ROAD IS A VERY SPARSELY 
POPULATED ROAD.
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.
THE PEOPLE SAW THE FLAMES COMING
IN THEIR FRIEND'S HOME DOWN THE 
DIRT ROAD.
I SPOKE WITH LISA OWEN AND HER 
HUSBAND DARYL THIS MORNING IN 
THEIR FRONT YARD AND THEY TOLD 
ME THEY HEARD ALL THE NOISE AND 
WALKED HALF A KILOMETRE TO THEIR
NEIGHBOUR'S HOME TO SEE WHAT WAS
GOING ON.
WHEN THEY GOT THERE, THEY SAW 
THE HOUSE WAS ON FIRE, FULLY 
ENGULFED IN FLAMES.
THERE WERE FIRE TRUCKS THAT HAD 
RESPONDED BUT WERE GOING NOWHERE
NEAR THE FLAMES OR THE HOME.
POLICE TOLD THEM TO JUST STAY 
AWAY, IT'S AN ACTIVE SHOOTER 
SCENE.
EVENTUALLY LATER, THE COUPLE 
MADE THEIR WAY TO THE HOME.
THEY FOUND ANOTHER FRIEND, A 
NEIGHBOUR, TOM BAGLEY, LAYING 20
METRES FROM THE BURNT-OUT HOME.
>> CALLED 911 TO REPORT IT.
911 TOOK ALL THE INFORMATION AND
PATCHED ME THROUGH TO EHS AND 
SEE IF THEY NEEDED AN AMBULANCE 
TO COME.
THEY ASKED ME ALL THOSE TYPE OF 
QUESTIONS.
I HAD TO GO OVER AND LOOK AT 
HIM.
AND TELL THEM, AND VERIFY THAT, 
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO SIGNS OF 
LIFE.
>> Reporter: NOW OPERATORS AT 
911 ALSO TOLD LISA OWEN TO GO 
HOME AFTER THAT AND NOT TELL ANY
OF OTHER NEIGHBOURS WHAT THEY 
WITNESSED, NOT EVEN THE FAMILY 
OF TOM BAGLEY, WHO WE KNOW IS A 
RETIRED FIREFIGHTER FROM THE 
AREA.
AND THE COUPLE I SPOKE WITH SAY 
THAT DESPITE TOM BAGLEY'S GOOD 
INTENTIONS, IT APPEARS HE WAS 
SIMPLY IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE
WRONG TIME.
THE OWNERS OF THAT HOME WERE 
ALANNA JENKINS AND SEAN McLEOD.
THEY'RE AMONG THE DECEASED.
CBC NEWS IN HALIFAX HAS SPOKEN 
WITH SEAN McLEOD'S DAUGHTER WHO 
SAID HE KNEW THE SHOOTER, BUT 
DIDN'T ELABORATE.
SO MANY QUESTIONS HERE ABOUT THE
HORRIBLE TRAGEDY.
ONE OF THEM IS WHY.
WHY DID THE SHOOTER DRIVE FROM 
ONE RURAL VILLAGE, PORTAPIQUE, 
TO ANOTHER SMALL COMMUNITY TO 
WREAK HAVOC THERE?
AND ONE OF THE TERRIFYING 
DETAILS.
THIS HOME WE SHOWED YOU, THE 
BURNT-OUT HOME, IS ONE OF 16 
CRIME SCENES THAT LOCAL RCMP NOW
HAVE THAT MONUMENTAL TASK OF 
INVESTIGATING.
>> Carole: PRESTON, THANK YOU.
THE CBC'S PRESTON MULLIGAN IN 
HALIFAX.
LET'S CHECK IN WITH ADRIENNE 
ARSENAULT, WHAT ARE YOU WORKING 
ON?
>> GOOD EVENING, CAROLE.
I THINK LIKE EVERYONE WE'RE 
TRYING TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND 
THE CRUELTY OF THIS.
NOVA SCOTIANS WERE IN THEIR 
HOMES, THE PLACES WE'RE ALL TOLD
ARE THE SAFEST PLACES FOR US TO 
BE, SO FOR THEM TO BE HUNTED IN 
THOSE HOMES IS UNFATHOMABLE.
WE HAVE SEVERAL TEAMS.
IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS AND OUR 
PRODUCER ARE TRYING TO PUT 
TOGETHER THE STORY OF HOW THE 
LIVES WERE LOST.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED.
THEY HAVE TO COME FIRST.
THAT'S A HUGE FOCUS.
WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE 
TIME LINE, AS YOU KNOW, THIS WAS
12 HOURS OF KILLING THAT 
HAPPENED.
AND AS UNPRECEDENTED AS THIS IS 
FOR CANADA, THIS IS ALSO REALLY 
UNUSUAL FOR MASS SHOOTINGS 
PERIOD.
I THINK SOME 70% OF MASS 
SHOOTINGS ARE OVER WITHIN HALF 
AN HOUR OR SO, SO THIS IS 
UNUSUAL.
YES, THIS GUNMAN IS DEAD, BUT 
THIS DOESN'T MEAN THIS IS OVER, 
BECAUSE POLICE REALLY NEED TO 
SPEND TIME WITH HIS COMPUTER AND
CELL PHONE TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND 
THE MOTIVE AND TO UNDERSTAND 
WERE THERE WARNING SIGNS MISSED?
THOSE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THE DAYS
AHEAD.
CRUCIALLY TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING 
TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, TOO, HOW 
DO PEOPLE MOURN?
IT'S ANOTHER OF THE CRUELTIES, 
WHERE AT THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE 
NEED EMBRACES, THEY CAN'T HAVE 
THEM.
HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO FEEL THE
LOVE THAT IS SURROUNDING THEM 
FROM 37 MILLION CANADIAN HEARTS?
BUT THERE ARE REAL PRACTICAL 
QUESTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE OF NOVA
SCOTIA TONIGHT.
>> Carole: ADRIENNE ARSENAULT IS
THE CO-HOST OF "THE NATIONAL".
YOU CAN WATCH "THE NATIONAL" 
RIGHT HERE ON CBC NEWS NETWORK 
COMING UP AT 9:00 EASTERN TIME.
>>> NOVA SCOTIA'S PREMIER SPOKE 
ABOUT THE SHOOTING TODAY DURING 
HIS PROVINCE'S DAILY COVID-19 
UPDATE.
STEPHEN McNEIL SAYS HE KNOWS HOW
UPSET NOVA SCOTIANS ARE AND HOW 
MUCH THEY WANT TO BE TOGETHER, 
BUT HE ALSO URGED RESIDENTS TO 
CONTINUE TO RESPECT PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING RULES EVEN AT THIS 
DIFFICULT TIME.
>> ON BEOF HALF OF THE PEOPLE OF
NOVA SCOTIA I WANT TO EXTEND OUR
DEEPEST SYMPATHIES TO EVERYONE 
IMPACTED BY YESTERDAY'S TRAGEDY.
WE NOW HAVE MORE INFORMATION 
ABOUT THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS WHO,
WHO THEY ARE, WHO THEY LEFT 
BEHIND AND HOW THE CONTRIBUTIONS
THEY MADE TO THEIR FRIENDS, 
FAMILY AND THE PROVINCE.
THE HEART BEHIND US HAS MEANING.
IT'S ABOUT OUR LOVE FOR EACH 
OTHER.
IT'S ABOUT STRENGTH.
AND IT'S ABOUT GETTING THROUGH 
THIS TOGETHER.
IT IS A CRITICAL TIME FOR US TO 
FIND A WAY TO MOURN, TO FIND A 
WAY TO HEAL FROM A DISTANCE.
>> Carole: WE WANT TO SHOW YOU 
ANOTHER TRIBUTE TO NOVA SCOTIA.
THIS ONE FROM TORONTO.
THE CN TOWER IS LIGHTING UP IN 
BLUE AND WHITE, THE COLOURS OF 
NOVA SCOTIA'S FLAG IN HONOUR OF 
THE VICTIMS OF YESTERDAY'S 
TRAGEDY.
AND ON THE QUARTER HOUR AND HALF
HOUR -- I THINK YOU'LL SEE IT 
THERE -- THE TOWER WILL BE RED, 
BLUE AND GOLD, TO HONOUR -- 
THOSE ARE THE COLOURS OF THE 
RCMP -- THAT'S TO HONOUR THE 
RCMP OFFICER KILLED IN THE LINE 
DUTY, CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON,
A 23-YEAR VETERAN OF THE FORCE.
YOU'RE WATCHING SPECIAL COVERAGE
OF THE NOVA SCOTIA TRAGEDY RIGHT
HERE ON CBC NEWS NETWORK.
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>> THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN 
HONOUR THE VICTIMS OF THIS 
TRAGEDY IS TO CONTINUE IT ACT IN
A WAY THAT PROTECTS OUR FELLOW 
NOVA SCOTIANS.
PERHAPS ANOTHER WAY TO HONOUR 
THEM IS SOMETHING ONLINE.
A NOVA SCOTIA TARTAN SCARF TIED 
AROUND A TREE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE TARTAN, THE 
SUGGESTION IS A BLUE RIBBON.
>> Carole: THE NOVA SCOTIA 
PREMIER URGING HIS PROVINCE TO 
GRIEVE VIRTUALLY.
HE SAYS AS DIFFICULT AS IT IS, 
THAT MEANS NOT GATHERING IN 
GROUPS UNTIL THE PANDEMIC HAS 
PASSED.
SO, PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER THE 
BEST THEY COULD TODAY TO PAY 
THEIR RESPECTS.
AND THE SIGNS THAT ARE SCATTERED
ACROSS NOVA SCOTIA ARE VISIBLE.
THE CBC'S COLLEEN JONES.
>> THE FLAGS ARE AT HALF-STAFF 
IN BIBLE HILL.
SOMEONE JUST DROPPED FLOWERS.
THERE IS A HANDMADE SIGN THERE 
THAT SAYS THANK YOU.
ALONG THE HIGHWAY, PRAISE FOR 
POLICE.
OUTSIDE THE CHURCH IN DEBERT, 
THE MESSAGE THAT THOUGH WE 
GRIEVE, STILL WE HOPE.
AND GRIEVE WE DO.
AND WE SHOW IT IN THESE WAYS AND
MORE.
THIS PILOT FLEW A SMALL PLANE IN
A FLIGHT PLAN THAT EMBRACED THE 
WHOLE AREA WITH A HEART.
>> I'M GOING UP THERE AND I'M 
GOING TO DRAW A HEART.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THEM A HUG
FROM THE AIR.
AND IN MY OWN WAY TO TELL 
PEOPLE, LOOK, WE'RE HERE 
TOGETHER, WE'RE HERE, WE'RE 
THINKING OF YOU.
>> Reporter: IN DEBERT, 
#COLCHESTERSTRONG IS GIVING 
PEOPLE HOPE.
ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE 
SCHOOL, LISA McCULLY LOST IN THE
TRAGEDY, SIGNS OF WHAT AN 
AWESOME TEACHER SHE WAS.
>> UNBELIEVABLE REALLY.
SHE LIVED IN A SMALL COUNTRY 
PLACE, YOU KNOW.
YOU DON'T EXPECT THINGS LIKE 
THAT THERE.
>> Reporter: NO ONE WOULD EXPECT
IT HERE AS PEOPLE LAY FLOWERS 
FOR CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON AT
THE BURNSIDE HEADQUARTERS, THEY 
HOPE IT BRINGS COMFORT.
>> LET THE STEVENSONS KNOW THERE
ARE PEOPLE STANDING HERE WITH 
THEM AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP 
THEM IN OUR THOUGHTS.
WE'RE DEVASTATED BY THE LOSS.
>> Reporter: THE ONSLOW FIRE 
BRIGADE HAVE LOWERED THEIR FLAG 
FOR A FIREMAN.
FLOWERS IN PORTAPIQUE BY THE 
MAILBOX IN THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
>> I BROUGHT FLOWERS HERE FOR MY
NIECE JAMIE BLAIR AND HER 
HUSBAND TODAY.
>> THERE IS NO NORMAL NOW.
COLLEEN JONES, CBC NEWS, DEBERT.
>> Carole: CANADA'S GOVERNOR 
GENERAL HAS EXPRESSED HER SORROW
IN A VIDEO RECORDED AT RIDEAU 
HALL.
HERE'S SOME OF HER EXCELLENCY, 
THE RIGHT HONOURABLE JULIE 
PAYETTE'S MESSAGE.
>> WITH NOVA SCOTIA ALREADY 
UNDER IMMENSE PRESSURE FROM THE 
CHALLENGES OF THE COVID-19 
PANDEMIC, THIS DEVASTATING ACT 
ADDS NEW LEVELS OF PAIN.
WE'RE HEART BROKEN.
OUR DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO THE 
FAMILIES AND FRIENDS OF THE 
VICTIMS.
AND THE FAMILY AND COLLEAGUES OF
CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON WHOSE 
COURAGE IN THE LINE OF DUTY WILL
NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
>> Carole: MANY OF THE VICTIMS 
OF THE SHOOTING SPREE LIVED IN 
COLCHESTER NORTH, A RIDING THAT 
CONTAINS ABOUT 18,000 PEOPLE.
KAREN CASEY IS THE M.L.A. FROM 
THE AREA AND SAYS THE WOUNDS 
WILL LAST A LIFETIME.
>> MY HEART ALONG WITH EVERYBODY
ELSE'S HEART HERE IS VERY SAD.
WE ARE DEALING WITH SOMETHING 
THAT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON ALL 
OF US AND AS THE M.L.A. FOR THE 
AREA, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MY 
CONSTITUENTS FOR 14 YEARS.
I KNOW THEM WELL.
AND IT HAS REALLY A VERY 
NEGATIVE IMPACT AT THE PRESENT 
TIME.
DEALING WITH THE VIOLENCE, 
REALLY DEALING THE UNEXPECTED 
SCENARIO THAT PLAYED ITSELF OUT,
THE NORMAL GRIEVING PROCESS 
CAN'T BE NORMAL IN THIS 
ENVIRONMENT.
WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE PUBLIC 
HEALTH DIRECTIVES WITH THE 
SOCIAL DISTANCING.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT TO PROTECT 
ALL OF US, BUT IT CERTAINLY DOES
COMPLICATE AND CHANGE THE WHOLE 
GRIEVING PROCESS.
I KNOW THERE WILL BE 
INVESTIGATIONS, BUT NOBODY KNOWS
AT THIS POINT WHAT MOTIVATED THE
SHOOTER AND THAT IS FOR THE 
INVESTIGATION TO TRY TO UNRAVEL.
THE FACT IS THERE WERE MULTIPLE 
VICTIMS AND THERE ARE MANY 
FAMILIES WHOSE LIVES ARE SCARRED
AND THOSE SCARS WILL NEVER HEAL.
FOR ME WITH MY CONSTITUENTS, I 
JUST NEED TO BE THERE.
I NEED TO LISTEN.
I NEED TO HELP THEM GRIEVE.
I NEED TO SHOW COMPASSION.
AND I NEED TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE
THE SYSTEM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO
MANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY NOT
KNOW THE ANSWER TO AND MY ROLE 
AS AN M.L.A. IS TO TRY TO HELP 
GET THOSE ANSWERS FOR THEM.
>> Carole: THAT WAS KAREN CASEY 
IN NOVA SCOTIA.
>>> OTHER NOVA SCOTIANS AND 
CANADIANS ARE COMING TOGETHER TO
MOURN AND PAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE 
WHO DIED IN THIS VICIOUS ATTACK.
HANNAH THIBEDEAU HAS BEEN 
TRACKING THIS PART OF THE STORY.
HOW ARE PEOPLE COPING?
>> Hannah: YOU KNOW AS WELL I DO
NOVA SCOTIA IS A TIGHTLY KNIT 
COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE SMALL 
COMMUNITIES ARE 150 PEOPLE.
SO EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS 
TOUCHED, NOT ONLY IN THE 
COMMUNITY, BUT ALL THROUGH NOVA 
SCOTIA.
ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO WAS 
IDENTIFIED AS A VICTIM WAS 
CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON.
YOU SEE HER PHOTOGRAPH THERE.
SHE WAS A VETERAN IN THE RCMP.
SHE HAD TWO CHILDREN.
AND TODAY, OFFICERS AND 
RESIDENTS LINED UP FOR A 
PROCESSION AS CONSTABLE 
STEVENSON'S BODY WAS TAKEN TO 
THE RCMP NOVA SCOTIA 
HEADQUARTERS.
YOU CAN SEE THEM THERE PAYING 
TRIBUTE TO HER.
THIS IS IN DARTMOUTH, NOVA 
SCOTIA, WHERE HER BODY WENT.
THEN TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SHOT.
PEOPLE STOPPED ON THE STREET.
STILL RESPECTING PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING BECAUSE OF THE 
COVID-19 PANDEMIC, BUT THEY 
WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY 
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAY THEIR 
RESPECTS TO CORPORAL STEVENSON.
THERE ARE ALSO MAKESHIFT 
MEMORIALS GOING UP IN PLACES 
AROUND DARTMOUTH.
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ONE.
LIKE WE HEARD FROM COLLEEN 
JONES, THERE ARE NO FUNERAL 
HOMES AT THIS POINT THAT YOU CAN
ALL GATHER AT, OR PEOPLE'S 
HOUSES BECAUSE OF WHAT IS 
HAPPENING WITH THE PANDEMIC.
SO PEOPLE COME AND PAY THEIR 
TRIBUTES, PAY THEIR RESPECTS, 
LAY THEIR FLOWERS, AND TAKE A 
MOMENT OF SILENCE WHEN IT COMES 
TO PAYING TRIBUTE TO THESE 18 
PEOPLE, AT LEAST 18 PEOPLE WERE 
KILLED IN THIS TRAGIC, TRAGIC 
EVENT.
HERE'S SOMETHING THAT, CAROLE, 
YOU ALSO WOULD KNOW AS AN EAST 
COASTER.
IF WE CAN SHOW PEOPLE THE NEXT 
SLIDE -- LOOK AT THAT.
THIS SHOWS WHAT PEOPLE DO VERY 
WELL IN NOVA SCOTIA.
WHEN TRAGEDIES HAPPEN, THEY WANT
TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY ELSE.
EVERYBODY WHO IS AFFECTED.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE, THIS LADY
BRINGING FOOD, COFFEE, BEVERAGES
TO THE RCMP, BECAUSE LET'S 
REMEMBER, THEIR WORK IS NOT 
CLOSE TO BEING OVER.
THERE ARE 16 SITES, AT LEAST, 
THAT THEY ARE STILL 
INVESTIGATING IN THIS TRAGEDY 
THAT HAPPENED OVER THE PAST 
WEEKEND.
>> Carole: HOW HAS THE REST OF 
CANADA RESPONDED?
>> Hannah: ULTIMATE SOLIDARITY.
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT ACROSS THIS 
COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE ARE GIVING, 
YOU KNOW, VIRTUAL HUGS TO 
EVERYBODY IN NOVA SCOTIA.
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
THIS IS PARLIAMENT HILL.
THE FLAG IS FLYING AT HALF-MAST 
THERE.
LOOK AT THE LIGHTS.
IT JUST IS BEAUTIFUL AND, AGAIN,
EARLIER TODAY WE SAW THE PRIME 
MINISTER, OPPOSITION LEADERS, 
M.P.s, HOLDING A MOMENT OF 
SILENCE AND PAYING TRIBUTE.
AND THEN IF WE GO ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY, LEGISLATURES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY, B.C., ONTARIO, 
SASKATCHEWAN, MANITOBA, ARE 
FLYING THE NOVA SCOTIA FLAG AT 
HALF-MAST TO LET THEM KNOW, 
EVERYBODY IS THINKING OF YOU.
I WANT TO END ON A BIT OF A 
POSITIVE NOTE.
I WANT TO SHOW PEOPLE THIS.
TAKE A LOOK AT THE SUNSET.
JUST EVEN WANT TO BE SILENT FOR 
A MINUTE.
LOOK HOW BEAUTIFUL THAT IS.
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT SOME OF 
THESE PEOPLE WERE SAYING ON 
TWITTER AND REALLY ENCAPSULATED 
THIS SUNSET TONIGHT.
THERE IS ONE PERSON WHO SAID 
THEY ASKED US TO LIGHT A CANDLE 
FOR ALL OF THE ONES WHO ARE LOST
TONIGHT AND THE SKY DELIVERED.
ABSOLUTELY.
ANOTHER TWITTER USER SAYS IT 
FEELS LIKE MOTHER EARTH IS 
MOURNING A GREAT LOSS.
THEN ANOTHER PERSON SAYS, NOVA 
SCOTIA CERTAINLY NEEDED SOME 
BEAUTY AND THERE IT IS.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE ANGELS ARE 
LOOKING DOWN.
>> Carole: THANK YOU.
YOU'RE WATCHING SPECIAL COVERAGE
OF THE TRAGEDY IN NOVA SCOTIA.
THIS IS CBC NEWS NETWORK.
BACK IN A MOMENT.
 VICTIMS, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN AND
ALL WERE ADULTS.
IT APPEARS THAT SOME OF THE 
VICTIMS WERE KNOWN TO THE 
SUSPECT AND OTHERS WERE TARGETED
AND NOT KNOWN TO THE SUSPECT.
>> Carole: AND WE KNOW TONIGHT 
THAT AT LEAST 18 PEOPLE WERE 
KILLED BY THE GUNMAN IN NOVA 
SCOTIA ON A RAMPAGE THAT STARTED
SATURDAY NIGHT.
INVESTIGATORS WILL LOOKING FOR 
ADDITIONAL VICTIMS IN FIVE 
BURNED-OUT BUILDINGS.
POLICE WARN THAT PIECING 
TOGETHER EVIDENCE FROM 16 CRIME 
SCENES WILL BE A LONG AND 
COMPLEX PROCESS.
THIS IS THE DEADLIEST ATTACK OF 
ITS KIND IN CANADIAN HISTORY.
>> Prime Minister Justin 
Trudeau: WE ARE SO SORRY FOR 
YOUR LOSS.
SUCH A TRAGEDY SHOULD HAVE NEVER
OCCURRED.
VIOLENCE OF ANY KIND HAS NO 
PLACE IN CANADA.
>> Carole: THE PRIME MINISTER 
PAYING TRIBUTE TO THE VICTIMS OF
THE MASS SHOOTING IN NOVA 
SCOTIA.
THE VIOLENCE BEGAN LATE SATURDAY
NIGHT IN PORTAPIQUE NEAR THE BAY
OF FUNDY AND ENDED JUST OUTSIDE 
OF HALIFAX IN ENFIELD THE 
FOLLOWING DAY.
AMONG THE DEAD, A 23-YEAR 
VETERAN OF THE RCMP, THE MOTHER 
OF TWO YOUNG CHILDREN.
POLICE ARE INVESTIGATING 
MULTIPLE CRIME SCENES.
>>> NOVA SCOTIANS GAVE AN 
OVERWHELMING SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR
THE POLICE TODAY.
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE LINED THE 
STREETS IN THE COMMUNITY OF 
ENFIELD.
THEY WELCOMED HOME A MOUNTIE WHO
HAD BEEN WOUNDED IN THE KILLING 
SPREE AND THEN HOSPITALIZED.
CAROLYN RAY HAS THAT STORY.
>> Reporter: OUTSIDE THE RCMP 
DETACHMENT IN ENFIELD, SMALL 
GESTURES OF THANKS.
FLOWERS, TEDDY BEARS AND A 
CANADA FLAG FILLED WITH MESSAGES
FOR A FALLEN OFFICER.
>> WE WANTED TO REACH OUT NOT 
JUST TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE 
OFFICERS, THEY'RE STILL ON THEIR
FEET.
WE PICKED UP TREATS LIKE FRUITS 
AND VEGETABLES AND COFFEE TO 
KEEP THEM GOING SHOWING THEY 
HAVE SUPPORT NOT JUST IN THE 
COMMUNITY BUT EVERYWHERE.
>> Reporter: THE OFFICERS HERE 
SAY EVERY VISIT IS APPRECIATED.
A BRIGHT MOMENT IN A HORRIBLE 
TIME.
JUST DOWN THE ROAD, A GESTURE ON
A MUCH LARGER SCALE.
SHE DISCOVERED THAT THE OFFICER 
INJURED IN THE SHOOTING WAS 
GETTING OUT OF THE HOSPITAL.
SHE WELCOMED HIM HOME.
>> WITHIN 15 MINUTES THERE WAS 
HUNDREDS OF LIKES AND COMMENTS.
EVERYBODY WANTED TO TAKE PART.
>> Reporter: THERE WERE HUNDREDS
OF PEOPLE, FIREFIGHTERS AND RCMP
OFFICERS CHEERED ALONG SEVERAL 
KILOMETRES OF ROAD IN ENFIELD.
>> I HAD MY SON WITH ME.
GOT TO SEE HIS FACE.
GOT A FACE TO THE STORY.
AND HE PUT HIS LIFE IN FRONT OF 
HARM'S WAY FOR EVERY ONE OF US 
THAT WAS SCARED YESTERDAY.
AND IT'S VERY EMOTIONAL TO TELL 
YOU THE TRUTH.
AND IT WAS A HUMBLING EXPERIENCE
TO SEE PEOPLE WITH THE CANADA 
DAY FLAG.
AND TO SEE ALL THE RCMP OFFICERS
OUT HERE, IT WAS TRULY HUMBLING 
TO KNOW THAT WE'RE BEING 
PROTECTED BY THEM.
>> Reporter: A MUCH NEEDED 
MOMENT OF COMFORT FOR A 
COMMUNITY.
WHILE THEY COULDN'T EMBRACE EACH
OTHER, WATCHING THESE REUNIONS 
GAVE THEM ALL SOMETHING TO HOLD 
ONTO.
CAROLYN RAY, CBC NEWS, LANTZ.
>> Carole: THAT IS OUR PROGRAMME
FOR YOU TONIGHT.
I'M CAROLE MacNEIL.
STAY WITH CBC NEWS NETWORK FOR 
THE LATEST UPDATES.
NOVA SCOTIA IS A VERY MUSICAL 
PROVINCE, SO IT'S NO SURPRISE 
PEOPLE ARE EXPRESSING THEIR 
GRIEF THROUGH MUSIC.
ERIC GRAHAM IS A VOLUNTEER 
FIREFIGHTER AND THE PIPE 
SERGEANT OF THE COLCHESTER 
CORRECTIONAL SERVICE CANADA 
BAND.
WE RECEIVED THIS VIDEO FROM HIS 
WIFE KAITLYN, WHO SAID HER 
HUSBAND WAS HONOURED TO PAY HER 
RESPECTS TO THE VICTIMS IN THE 
TRAGEDY.
GOOD NIGHT.
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[BAGPIPES PLAYING "AMAZING 
GRACE"]
