SHANNON?
>> Shannon: THAT WAS THE IDEA.
TRACE GALLAGHER, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
AS DEMOCRATS ARE GREEDY
CONSTITUTION IS UNDER
ATTACK BY PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEY
ARE ALSO SAYING IT'S OUTDATED,
AND THEY HAVE THESE REALLY
PROGRESSIVE IDEAS TO RADICALLY
CHANGE IT.
LET'S DEBATE.
THE FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTORS DOUG
SCHOEN AND KARL ROVE, SENIOR VP
ALEXANDER WILKES.
WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU.
THE PRESIDENT HAS WAITED WITH A
COUPLE OF TWEETS.
IN THE PAST, HE SAID, GOING
AFTER THE POPULAR VOTE WOULD BE
AN EASIER RACE TO RUN.
TONIGHT, THIS IS WHAT HE SAYING
IN A COUPLE OF TWEETS.
"CAMPAIGNING FOR THE POPULAR
VOTE IS MUCH EASIER AND
DIFFERENT THAN COMPETING WITH
ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
LIKE TRAINING FOR THE 100-YARD
DASH VERSUS A MARATHON.
THE BRILLIANCE OF THE ELECTORAL
COLLEGE THAT YOU MUST GO TOO
MANY STATES TO END BUT THE
POPULAR VOTE, YOU GO TO THE
LARGE STATES.
THE CITIES WOULD RUN THE
COUNTRY, SMALLER STATES IN THE
ENTIRE MIDWEST WOULD END UP
LOSING ALL POWER, AND WE CAN'T
LET THAT HAPPEN.
I USED TO LIKE THE IDEA OF A
POPULAR VOTE BUT I REALIZE
ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS FAR BETTER
FOR THE USA."
KARL?
>> I THINK THERE IS A MUSLIM AND
THE IDEA THAT OUR COUNTRY IS
BETTER SERVED BY HAVING A
MECHANISM THAT TAKES A CLOSE
ELECTION AND GIVES THE
VICTOR A BUMP UP, IF YOU WELCOME
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT ELECTIONS
OF 2000 OR 2008, OR 1992, IT
HELPED BILL CLINTON GOVERN TO BE
ABLE TO HAVE THE ELECTORAL
COLLEGE GIVE HIM A SUBSTANTIAL
MAJORITY.
ALLOW HIM TO GO FORWARD.
WE NEED TO HAVE THINGS THAT DRAW
US TOGETHER, NOT THINGS THAT
TEAR US APART.
THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD GO TO
ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE --
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NEVER GOING
TO HAPPEN.
TWO-THIRDS OF BOTH HOUSES OF
CONGRESS AVENUE TO APPROVE, AND
THREE QUARTERS OF THE STATES
HAVE TO RATIFY IT.
STATES LIKE NEBRASKA AND THE
DAKOTAS AND IDAHO, UTAH,
WYOMING, EVEN A LOT OF STATES IN
A SELF MISSISSIPPI AND ARKANSAS,
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP
THE RIGHTS TO BE CONSIDERED JUST
AS IMPORTANT AS OTHERS BY
HAVING PEOPLE COME TO    TO THES
HAVING PEOPLE COME TO    TO THEA
HAVING PEOPLE COME TO    TO THEE
HAVING PEOPLE COME TO    TO THES
AND CAMPAIGN.
>> Shannon: I WANT TO READ THE
TWEET THAT COMES -- "PROMINENT
DEMOCRATS HAVE ENDORSED PACKING
THE SUPREME COURT, CHANGING THE
VOTING AGE TO 16, WHICH WE WILL
DEBATE LATER, ABOLISHING THE
ELECTORAL COLLEGE, SO WEIRD HOW
THEIR ANSWER TO LOSING ALWAYS
SEEMS TO BE, LET'S CHANGE THE
RULES."
DOUG, ARE THEY OPENING
THEMSELVES TO THAT KIND OF
CRITICISM BY PROPOSING THOSE
IDEAS?
>> I THINK THAT THINGS LIKE THE
GREEN NEW DEAL, MEDICARE FOR
ALL, JOBS FOR ALL, ABOLISHING
ANY OBLIGATIONS UNDER STUDENT
LOANS ARE A LOT MORE HOT BUTTON.
I THINK THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS
SOMETHING THAT CAN AND SHOULD BE
DEBATED IN A NONPOLITICAL
SETTING, AS IT WAS AFTER 1968 BY
RICHARD NIXON AND HUBERT
HUMPHREY.
I DON'T THINK, THOUGH, IT'S
MAINSTREAM FOR THE PARTY TO
CHANGE THE VOTING AGE TO 16.
PACKING THE SUPREME COURT IS A
BAD IDEA.
IT WAS A BAD IDEA WHEN FDR
CONSIDERED IT.
IT'S A BAD IDEA NOW.
I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A BIG
PROBLEM OF MOVING WAY LEFT ON
ECONOMICS AND SOCIAL ISSUES.
THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS BEING
ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU ALLUDED TO
EARLIER.
THAT, TO ME, IS THE PROBLEM.
SOME OF THESE WACKY IDEAS THAT
YOU READ OUT ARE JUST NOT REALLY
IN PLAY BUT THEY SURE WON'T HELP
A PARTY THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE
CENTER TO END TO END.
>> Shannon: ALEX, I FEEL LIKE
EACH DAY WHEN I GET UP AND WE
SEE WHAT IS BUBBLING FROM THE
2020 CONTENDERS, ALL THE PLACES
THEY ARE, THERE'S A NEW TEST
EVERY DAY.
IF YOU DON'T SIGN ONTO IT
ESSENTIALLY, THE REST OF THE
PACK IS PULLING TO THE LEFT, SO
I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING TO
COME NEXT BUT IT SEEMS LIKE ONE
OF THOSE -- IT HAPPENS AT
PRIMARIES, HOW DO THEY
SELF-CORRECT THIS TO THE
GENERAL, WHOMEVER ENDS UP
WINNING THE NOMINATION?
>> I AM NOT ENTIRELY SURE HOW
THEY ARE GOING TO DO THIS,
CONSIDERING THAT A FRESHMAN
CONGRESSWOMAN WAS ABLE TO COME
ONTO THE SCENE AND BASICALLY GET
ON THE 2020 CONTENDERS TO START
AGREEING WITH BANNING
HAMBURGERS.
THIS IS A PARTY THAT IS BEING
PULLED WAY TO THE LEFT.
IT HAS BEEN BEING PULLED TO THE
LEFT EVER SINCE THE 2016
ELECTIONS BECAUSE THESE YEARLY
CONTENDERS, LIKE
ELIZABETH WARREN, THEY DIDN'T
WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN WAS WHAT
HAPPENED TO HILLARY CLINTON IN
2016, A CHALLENGE TO HER LEFT.
YOU STARTED TO SEE THESE LITMUS
TESTS EMERGE ON MEDICARE FOR
ALL, AND NOW WE ARE MOVING INTO
EVEN MORE EXTREME TERRITORIES
WITH ELECTORAL COLLEGE, WITH THE
COURT PACKING, THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WE HAVE SEEN, ON THE COURT
PACKING WE'VE SEEN BETO O'ROURKE
BE OPEN TO, KAMALA HARRIS,
KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND, ALL OPEN TO
THIS IDEA.
AS YOU MENTION, THESE ARE REALLY
IDEAS THAT ARE IN RESPONSE TO
JUST LOSING.
THERE IS NO GUIDING OR LIMITING
PRINCIPLE FOR DEMOCRATS BEHIND
THESE IDEAS OTHER THAN THAT
THESE INSTITUTIONS NO LONGER
SERVE THEM.
SO I THINK THEY ARE BEING PULLED
ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT AND I'M
NOT SURE THERE IS TIME TO COURSE
CORRECT.
>> Shannon: IF WE LOOK BROADLY
BEYOND THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND
ALL THESE HOUSE RACES THAT WILL
HAPPEN, THE SENATE RACES AS
WELL, KARL, THERE'S A LOT OF
DEMOCRATS ON THE HILL WHO ARE
UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE IT WAS THE
SWING DISTRICTS, THE MODERATE
DISTRICTS, THEY GAVE THEM BACK
TO THE HOUSE, AND NOW THE ONLY
HEADLINES THAT WE ARE SEEING ARE
THE MOST RADICAL MEMBERS OF
THEIR FRESHMAN CLASS.
THEY ARE GETTING ALL THE
ATTENTION.
>> YEAH, THEY ARE.
YOU ARE RIGHT.
YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, HOW THIS
WOULD PLAY OUT IN THE PRIMARY
AND AFFECT THE GENERAL ELECTION.
REMEMBER, WE WILL HAVE AN
UNUSUALLY LONG PRIMARY SEASON.
IT'S ALREADY STARTED AND IT'S
GOING TO GO ABOUT 18 MONTHS
UNTIL THE DEMOCRATS MEET, FROM
START TO FINISH, WHEN THEY
FINISH, THEY WILL MEET AT THEIR
CONVENTION IN MILWAUKEE.
THEN THERE WILL BE JUST OVER
FOUR MONTHS BETWEEN THAT
CONVENTION ON THE GENERAL
ELECTION.
THE IMPRESSION THAT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE DEVELOPED DURING THE
PRIMARY SEASON OF THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WITH ALL THE
SORT OF FAR OUT SOCIALIST IDEAS
AND VERY LEFT WING IDEAS, IS
GOING TO BE HARD TO ERASE IN A
MATTER OF FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS
BETWEEN THE DEMOCRATIC
CONVENTION AND THE NOVEMBER 2020
GENERAL ELECTION.
>> Shannon: DOUG, NEW POLLING
FROM CNN SHOWS THAT A VAST
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THINK THE
ECONOMY IS IN GOOD SHAPE.
THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT HOW THEY
ARE DOING.
IS THAT, FOR NOW, AN ISSUE THAT
IS AT THE TABLE FOR DEMOCRATS
AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE
FOCUSING ON HIS OTHER OUTLIERS?
>> IT'S NOT OFF THE TABLE.
ISSUES LIKE INCOME INEQUALITY
AND WAGED A NATION REMAIN
STRONG.
THE PRESIDENT'S NUMBERS ARE
UNDERWATER.
THERE IS A DEMOCRATIC NARRATIVE
BUT THERE IS A PRO-GROWTH
CENTRIST INCLUSIVE NARRATIVE,
NOT REDISTRIBUTION, AZIMUTH OF
