A lot of us get so locked up into
fretting over what we've done that we
don't take action. How do you access this
universal set of energies and you're
going well you've got to get rid of a
chatterbox
but we've forgotten it we suffer at
amnesia because the way the world is
preparing us it's preparing us for a
materialistic life
we were talking about audacity last week
and this week we started to go on the
theme of uncertainty what that actually
means now we've both been exploring
different texts and you've now got
govern the the artists way and you're
reading another book so you were telling
me a short time ago some of the things
some of the key things who are coming
out that first chapter in reading in the
artists we're just like would you like
to explore that again I haven't even
read the first chapter in the artists
way I I'm under pre ffice I'm actually
yes actually to pre ffice and in the pre
ffice I really really like this one
little quote called shadow artists are
gravitating to their rightful tribe but
cannot yet claimed their birthright I
urge them to step forward out of the
shadows and into the sunlight of
creativity so this to me how I am
aligning with that is I've always felt I
was creative my sisters are great like
artists my father was an artist I was a
bullshit artist
but never quite you know always creative
in my mind but not on paper on paper or
a song or dancer or writing a book but I
think it's now time to get rid of the
China box and the fear I let myself
explore those ideas and see where my my
brain and creativity goes so I am the
shadow artist actually the chatterbox I
think was preventing me from becoming
the artist so it's like a form letter if
you're an artist
it's you're one with the universe if
that makes sense if you're a shadow
artist you're less than an artist and
the fear is the other part of the
equation which is the pets in the
Chatterbox stopping your step and
forward and if I can turn I think yeah I
think what was quite interesting there
is that you're talking about the shadow
artists and one of the problems is that
when I started to learn Maya I was young
I was a youngster and I was doing it at
school and I enjoyed what was going on
and I was being motivated by the art
teacher but the other side of it we were
being told
do you want to do you've got to now
align yourself into that thing that will
actually tailor you for the rest of your
life and you a few moments ago we're
talking about the experience that your
daughter was having I this for me was 40
odd years ago maybe 50 years ago tell me
a little bit about what was happening
with you I see myself my daughter on our
lining because she's in fifth year in
school and has to shortly fill in the
appropriate forms to apply to whatever
she wants to apply to in college for it
for nearly over a year away but the time
is now you have to be aligning probably
18 months in advance of what you want to
choose in college
initially she's jumping from science to
to acting to to to medicine - maths it's
actually - theoretical physics which is
fantastic a bit a bit of Stephen Hawking
going on there now I like that but at
the same time all these are radically
different and like she could be Superman
or superwoman in terms of films or she
can be a lab technician in a science lab
and a white coat well paid but a job in
a box in a room and not surrounded by
people and as it's an equal choice at
the moment and it's not really equal
because is it aligning with your inner
you don't know a knowing is actually
this is what a journey of these books is
about knowing is what helps you open the
universal flow of creativity to you and
the problem is we don't know I think
actually that's that something is quite
crucial because what these books are
actually telling us to do in many ways
is to face the unknown the uncertainty
and and that's what is because of what
we're taught at school we're taught that
we have to be certain about what we're
going to do we have to be certain that
we get a pension we have to be certain
that we can afford to buy a car we have
to be certain about all these things and
we've got to be certain of how to
generate the income that can do that and
then we're actually aligned because we
have to make choices choice is far too
early I think as a youngster as a 14
year old far too early to make those
choices when we haven't had a chance to
explore what the world could actually
offer actually doesn't it that's an
interesting thing now because I was
meant to be reading the artists way but
I hadn't
it was three weeks before arrived and in
the interim my wife got another book and
I really like this one and as I didn't
think I would
it's Deepak Chopra's seven spiritual
laws of success and actually it's worn
out to pocketbook a one-hour read and I
sat down while waiting on the other book
and read it in an hour
I went my god everything is aligning the
whole seven secrets are everything we've
been talking about in the last seven
weeks and and a very first chapter I
went back to it I just look at the first
one and what it's talking about is the
universal field and what Universal field
is is is pure potentia the universe is
full of pure potentiality and infinite
creativity and all possibilities and but
we're part of the universal
consciousness and but we're we haven't
funneled any of that to ourselves we've
all the potential of this universal
consciousness that can seep into our
consciousness but we don't know how to
tap us it's very interesting about that
because we're also we've discussed in
the past this sense of the imposter and
the reason how we feel like the imposter
in a certain situation you know we were
taught about you being a filmmaker and
you're kind of going but but I'm not I'm
an imposter and you can hang on and I
know my wife has felt that when she got
moved up the ladder she felt that oh
everybody will find out I really don't
know about my job and that's because
we're all being told that we have to be
experts but we're not certain and so we
keep thinking we have to go back and
redo Cait and relearn something and
we're always kept to this base level
we're always told no no no that
information there doesn't help you and
you can't go but it does because I'm now
here not not there I'm building on this
platform and what happens is you keep
going say okay you want to do psychology
where you want to do coaching or you
want to do is now going to get a
master's degree in that qualification
I'm kind of going but all I'm going to
be studying in those different areas are
the same people that I've studied
already in media and teaching and all
those sort of areas and I'm sure you've
actually found that govern in the areas
that you've been working you're moving
from being you says as accountant we've
been dealing with lots of corporates
into the world of filmmaking but the
processes and principles are the same
don't know there's an uncertainty but
you've got enough knowledge to help you
move forward in that area
actually the great thing about the
gancho press book is seen aligned with
the universe B 1 and B can't be one with
it
and be conscious of all the potential
and that's why I'm suddenly realizing
I've got you know a Maya filmmaker I've
never made a film No this journey of I
am is like what we started off like last
year was we recognize and we recognize
what we're not we had we wear what we
wear based on how things turned out and
the journeys that we talk and because of
choices made at school at University at
need for a job and paying a bill and
these are the once we went on those
paths of I studied marketing 10 I ended
up become an accountant everywhere as an
accountant I got a job as an accountant
there I didn't get a job as a technician
in a lab I was you you were on that set
of paths that led to these more limited
choices but you accepted those limited
choices now I'm suddenly realizing I
didn't have to they were to change the
state if you wanted to keep on playing
that role but any time you could have
been a filmmaker you could have bought a
camera you could have at the same time
being an accountant and a filmmaker not
a filmmaker in a sense I've been Steven
Spielberg and have the accolades and
haven't the audience but in terms of the
functionality all you needed a car was a
camera go outside and start rolling and
you're a film maker and I think the
thing is that what was happening was
that you were being pushed into what was
considered to be certain to create
certainty and all it would do is it was
certain that you would you would you'd
get a job you'd get a car you get a
house you'd get married you'd have kids
you'd retire you'd get some
grandchildren hopefully and then you die
that was the certainty that they were
giving you as a representation of what
this life could actually be what we're
really discovering on what youngsters I
think discover at a very early age when
their imaginations to take off because
they're closer in their connection like
even even a Christian is told be like a
child be small be open to all
possibilities we can now be all and all
the texts that we're reading from
whatever source that we're
discovering is saying is to be fulfilled
you have to open yourself up and align
as you said with the universe align with
whoever it is that you you've want to
follow and there's nothing wrong with
any of those sort of things really
because they want you're starting to do
is you're tuning in to what's what's
actually meaningful and in many cases
what's real because we're in a conduit a
bit like the matrix if we're going back
to kind of filmmaking idea that we're
being stuck into a factory and in that
way it was to generate energy we have
lots and lots of energy but it's all
being pumped in a certain way that we
don't necessary benefit not that we
should benefit but that we get the value
out of it we have meaning in our lives
is what we're trying to to to accomplish
and that is through as you say aligning
with the universe seeing where we can
actually go opening our minds up to the
uncertainty of what this world is and
seeing amazing possibilities
alright that's both Chopra pretty much
first chapter in the little pocket book
and Julia Cameron are both saying this
exact same thing as saying to create the
universe the creator of all like
effectively is that it is the universal
consciousness it contains all
possibilities infinite creativity it's
if we can be example I can call on the
energy of the other universe that's
actually tap into as you're saying the
flow we want to forget some of the
energy and flow of the universe and and
speed conscious in ourselves the
material light it's actually a manifest
using the language again it's the
universe's you manifest it you know it's
it's all possibility all potential and
what if we can sort of align just be be
quiet be still let the universe in we
can tap into this universal flow of
energy and manifest what it is we need
or want or create artists so but we have
to give this intense universe scope this
is what we'd like get rid of the
chatterbox the brain just be in the mode
be a being not be as true spirit unless
the universal consciousness flow through
us and then with it's actually what
actually says next is knowing it's
becoming knowing that this's
more rice and knowing what we want to be
is what true success actually is and
being and rather than the Eagle if that
makes sense yeah in the being you said
being and you said to be be to be is the
verb and to be is I am which we've
talked about I am she is he is we are
they are and all that it's not it's the
being in the now and we're supposed to
be human beings in the now and a lot of
us get so locked up into fretting over
what we've done and being fearful of the
future that we don't take action but if
we can be in the now in the I am this is
I am now you take actions based on
what's there at the present and are open
to all possibilities they may be
uncertain and I know I've had friends
and relatives come to me and say you
know what I want to do this do you think
is the right thing I'm not sure I just
don't know and you can hear their cheer
to chatterbox not kind of going well
what are you what do you want to do now
at this moment but I thought just try
that what made it go and do that that's
what you're being presented with at this
moment do the things that come to you at
this moment because if something if a
crisis occurred at this point and we
often have crisis's we don't think about
it we we react and we help to solve the
problem that's saying going on if
someone has an accident we try and take
them to the hospital do you mean
actually do carry on yes no no what's
popped into my mind ere is is again from
both books successes
success is knowing who we really are
what if what you just said a second ago
when you were asking this person or
hypothetical person they says I don't
know and then you go and then if a
crisis happens they just do and acts or
the subcontract what happens is
certainly of that crisis is in front of
them and they step up to to react and do
what's required of that moment in the
now based on the certainty of of what's
there but when there's nothing there
your ass in the question what will make
you happy I don't know I know where I
might win the lottery I buy a car no ok
beyond the material thing in the ego
what will make you happy I don't know
what career you want I don't know
I choose one over another excuse me
based on limited circumstance and
knowledge and on what they say
people are getting stressed out because
they're being put under that pressure to
determine what they should do which they
can't possibly know but the knowing and
the being in the now that moment is
actually to be rest to be at peace okay
there you go back to the same definition
success is knowing who we really are and
that's back to the same verb knowing who
we really are is knowing now it's known
as being and knowing and therefore
you're now successful because your
trappings of wealth and ego in any
moment don't actually mean anything you
can't describe the car and do something
with it it's that that's car is not you
the money of your pockets not you it's
an externalization of you it's a it's an
eagle soar characteristic do you was
inside and in terms of spirit and true
spirit unknowing is you're aware I'm
wearing nice a nice use or you go
bassoons I know I'm sitting in a Rolls
Royce I know I'm going on a holiday and
the family are in the back but inside my
head I'm just being I'm being in that
moment on a journey wearing clothes in
the car going in a holiday in terms of
activity and external characterizations
but in terms of spirit is the spirit
goal in the journey it just happens to
be in a car it happens to be in the body
happens being the vessel sitting beside
your family and friends but at the same
time what's that spirit doing hopefully
it knows it's happy because it's doing
these things with the ones that loves
and it's healthy and wise and and and
and happy in the moment they haven't got
to where they were going the car is
traveling it miles an hour but you're
happy you're happy in that moment
knowing being there was it was a great
Peter Sellers film one of the last ones
that yet she made and he wasn't
conscious of all the problems that
people had but he was there he was going
on it was kind of being there just being
in the moment enjoying the moment no you
were talking about the riches and things
and I I was looking through something or
wrote something down in my little
morning
pages and it was actually to do with
Midas the Midas touch
Midas wanted to be
rich him on everything he touched turned
to gold and it did but unfortunately his
family also turned to gold and he lost
their spirit he killed them he corrupted
them through his wish of wanting
everything to turn to gold but what he
didn't realize was that everything he
had was his riches his family the people
he was with and being there in the
present was the richest everything
decays I I have a camera that I spent a
lot of money on a few years back and I
use it regulates and one of my tools and
the other day just stopped working now
it's a brick it might as well be a brick
it has no more functionality because
it's no longer usable so everything
decays we decay but spiritually that
doesn't decay that's universal it's
everlasting it's timeless and I think
that's what if we can get into the now
and into the present we're no longer
worried about time we're actually
spiritually at peace because we can cope
and that's where you don't need to know
at that point you can just rest you can
actually as follows you don't need to
know at all at that point you just no
need to know at that point that you're
happy into now and you're honored to and
you're on a journey of that's back to
our language of the power now and like
every moment is just a new now but the
shopper is saying how do you exhale you
access this universal set of energies
how do you know and you're going well
you've got to get rid of the chatterbox
stop trying to think so how do I know
you're asking questions of nothing and
nobody you go you you will know if you
tune out to tune in to be so if you tune
out to chatterbox you're now tuned into
the stillness you're opening the flow of
the universe into your mind and whatever
starts to seep in is in distill nozaki
part of the universal consciousness and
that you're taking some of the universal
conscious awareness and bringing it into
yourself so you might certainly in that
moment become aware of other blade of
grass growing aware aware of a bird
tweeting in that moment aware the fact
that you're sitting in a field are
sitting in a car you're alone are not
alone and will start to happen is what
was important you might remember your
family or at home and you
we are going and smile but it's you're
not worrying about the bills that were
in your head a second ago you're just
you're just becoming aware of the now
and you're becoming part of the knowing
and you're becoming your chatterbox is
becoming sore silence and let under fear
chatter is moving away and you're
getting closer to the stillness of your
true self of your spirit and you're
actually nearly communion with the inner
you and I'm having a little chat with is
I said well I'm happy like this yeah and
well again device you go the power now
on the voice the Vice might be device is
you but device might be just reflecting
the Creator now the Creator is in Julia
Cameron's books you saying don't get
caught up with a word God and creator
and dis because now we had an
interesting conversation yes see on that
head and which brought back in the
science fiction on the base of you know
how great that we think we are that were
at one with a God or a creator as a set
of beings of energy that we were not
alone the universe little ol et and as
grays and as whites and as lizards all
are made of energy we had sir external
vessels that ultimately are ten thousand
years I was more advanced than awesome
technology and surely they know who the
Creator is or some order al madaba or
have the same one or another variant of
but if the universe is the energy yet
there was the interesting story of
contact remember contact with Judy Judy
foster and they create a machine that
allows her to go through the heavens
through space through to multiple
galaxies all sorts of things and she
begins to meet a being who is
represented to her as her father and she
starts to ask questions about you know
are you are you our Creator and he says
no we're just someone on the same kind
of journey that you are we have all this
technology and then she's dropped back
into the moment and it turns out that
everything she just experience which was
18 hours worth of travel from her
perspective was just this moment this
moment in time nobody else saw it and
nobody else believed anything she had to
say but she went from being just a
scientist to suddenly realizing that was
more
to the universe than what her
perceptions that's what I like if all
actually I was watching a program on TV
last night against one of these UFO
FILES and talk about Roosevelt and and
Roswell and and the fact that when we
enter the Atomic Age there seem to be an
awful lot more strange discs in the sky
being recorded much more regularly
because Wendy tested the atom bombs
unpossible ooh up her Ashima and eicha
sake it could be seen from space it was
her as in the energy was harnessing the
Sun and sent out a messages to other
beings if they were so out there that
they are saying we're entering the
Atomic Age in nuclear age were a danger
to ourselves and others but at the same
time we're entering the space race we're
becoming aware at a level of
consciousness that were not alone and
were reaching out to the stars or maybe
we will or we won't what we're saying at
the same time with the capability of
destroying life anq nearly create an
element of life from cloning to
different parts of technology and
rebuild bits of organs but not
necessarily recreate spirit we give life
yes that and I think that's just I got
drawn on one more time because let's say
your clone it was you took an egg it
took a sperm you put them together and
you you crew with your grew a baby in a
test-tube and actually we are there the
difference is the spark of life when it
kicks into gear I think that then draws
on the spirit from the universal energy
field and ignites and allows that being
2-10 have a spirit and it's just
occupying a body or vessel in terms of
the organic like parts well what's
interesting is because we got into that
idea yesterday of from from a certain
religious perspective there is the sense
and most religions have it that that
there will be an end of time and we were
talking about time and being in the
moment and sort of traveling through
time we were also we talked about the
Christopher Reeves you know film about
where he he basically gets into a
meditation and travels back to the 18
19th century the 1850s but he didn't
need a time machine he didn't need a
physical thing he was able to do that
through through his own mental abilities
one of the things that I was thinking
about
because we were getting into that kind
of idea of the moment and we will get
back into the sci-fi thing was that if
you switch down certain we have five
senses if you start to switch down let's
say the site and you listen and you use
your listening you suddenly I know we
did a kind of meditation a few years
back and what happened was I was
listening to the birds and the bees and
the and the leaves the wind going
through the leaves and then my sense of
feel heard a droning noise and I became
aware that there was a ship coming in to
Larne harbour and it was just this full
vibration of everything a bumblebee flew
past and it sounded like a massive great
big aircraft with its buzzing bees and
you could feel the vibration of air the
waves that were coming through so in
that sense we can start to see how the
world the universe is actually talking
to us through what's around us if we can
just stop and listen actually go home
back in in my mind is I think a z-pack
again first chapter in his little pocket
book and I may be paraphrasing or
quoting but you are the universe you are
consciousness you are all manifested and
unmanifested so if if we can become one
with the universe
then you can travel not necessary in
time it's like saying the one we're
talking about as us one is our energy
field it's us our pure energy it's not
the body the body is not going to lift
up and beam up being down there light
the world beam up being down I think is
the right terminology in terms of the
start Rykov it's what's beaming up and
down it's the ones and zeros it's the
waveforms it's the energy field of the
individual if we take that part of it
then we're saying if week we come still
and the one they say masters of of yoga
and whatever user can actually
transcendental meditate or can do you
know can leave the body and the mind can
travel and go visit locations of past
present and future or like a broad and
further afield a different universe and
multiverse so you go what can actually
travel is energy and if you think of I
tell you think you mentioned something
yesterday but you probably met
the minister is if a pair of twin feet
is abroad and then the twin dies then
the twin instantaneous leader twin
instantaneous he knows that there's
something happened to their counterpart
that did his distant meant nothing it
was instantaneous feeling our
registration in this energy wave that
something distance meant nothing on that
distance also means nothing in terms of
those atoms are certain sir physics out
there that says you know so we can
resonate in this side of the universe
it's like the butterfly effect and it
resonates on the other side of the
universe instantaneously these these
particular sorry inches or whatever yeah
Peter I think it's Peter Fenwick is as a
psychologist is a ngerous physician and
a neuro psychiatrist and he's been
exploring what happens to people close
to death and what he's discovered what
he was discovering was that there was
he's trying to be evidence base but he's
starting to see that there's a kind of
spiritual element and one of the stories
he was saying was that a lady in
Australia suddenly had a vision or was
aware of her son and he was wet he said
she saw her he was wet and said that
don't worry I'm okay everything's fine
don't be worrying about me so she rang
London she was in Australia she sure
Englund and discovered that her son had
just drowned and but she was aware of
her son the other thing is that they'd
also been talking about clocks now I've
got a I've got an old-fashioned clock in
my log cabin here that's ticking away is
a mechanical what clock and quite often
when somebody dies the clocks stop now
he was asking the question well what
about the digital clocks do they stop
and he discovered they did now one of
the traditions in Ireland my wife was
saying is that they the people normally
stop the clocks because they're so used
to the clock stopping and I and she said
maybe that's really what's going on I
said but what if it's the other way
around
what if the people got used to the clock
stopping that when they don't they
actually stop because they used to that
that myth or that cultural thing that's
actually happening to them and that
becomes an important part of
that part of our it doesn't matter what
culture we're coming from whether in the
West or whether we're in the East we
have given cultural figures that we
suddenly start to see close to death
and he was talking about the fact that
two weeks before people died they often
get a premonition and it's to give them
the two weeks to prepare and to give up
on the things that they because they
know they're going to go to troopers now
were talking about spirit you talking
about just just want to give you
something we're talking about
discovering whether we're connected to
the universe the reality is is that
we're all connected we were all
connected spiritually but we've
forgotten it we suffer amnesia because
as we go through the world the way the
world is preparing us it's preparing us
for a materialistic life that we forget
the spiritual and then you get to a
certain point in life later on hopefully
we found it more recently that we are
actually spiritual and we begin to
realize that we can give up on those
materialistic things I'm now starting to
think about it Garvin's been plugging
away like mad to tell me to get rid of
my books my wife or telling me to do
that no I'm sorry I'm sorry eaten tree
the place yeah I think the realization
is that some of the material things they
do clutter you back it's like the
pilgrims progress the character goes
through the story and with a big bundle
on his back and it's just basically
trying to give up and realize he doesn't
need to be dependent on that that
uncertainty well you think we need to be
certain of certain things and we cling
to objects to make sure that we have
that certainty whereas really what we
need to do is to give up those things
let go face the uncertainty but also
face the the excitement of what John
Jacobs is now again it's the same
chapter your first chapter of Deepak
Chopra's sadness spiritual laws of
success and then I think it's a look
here now what's the first chapter it is
oh I can't even find us which is typical
now it's gonna be there's the understand
appear exactly the law of pure
potentiality is is what we're talking
about but in that chapter is talk about
the internal reference point and your
internal reference point is is talking
about your
true self or spirits or your ego and I
was sort of mentioned yourself that if
your true spirit has a value of one
being your whole your your you're at one
with your took your true spirit then
there if there isn't any ego ego with
zero so but if your ego takes on a
journey from 0 to 1 the more it gets
closer to one the less of your true
spirit is the less you know your true
spirit and because what's starting to
happen is we're putting the clothes of
Eagle one pace on our external
circumstances with interpersonal
universe of being a Catholic Christian
in our owned in the 20th century this
21st century 21st century but well I was
invoked that's what I was I started off
in displaying it I'm in the 21st and you
know being a teenager in a Christian
broker school and and in the south side
of Dublin then and working in the middle
class are like lurid middle-class family
backgrounds then I was educated I was
going to a good school I had clothes on
my back
we weren't on the poverty line I got an
education I was first time I extended
family to go to university that opened
up other opportunities based on my
friends set know the rest I put I
started on the garb and the clothes of
ego oh I'm a punk not a mod and for that
timeline I became an accountant's not a
marketeer I am a professional not a
trades person so these were the clothes
and of the ego they put on and what
became less and less important is my is
the true inner self because what my
external self was actually starting to
show is you're a middle-aged man that
was in this profession that has three
point two kids and at one point four
cars and you go on two holidays a year
and and you're hot and this is you you
are your ego externalized
and as in that context so in terms of
religion on different parts of the
planet we were having a chat yesterday
saying it's our Muslims right here
Islamists right our Jews right or
everybody is basis is a product of the
ego that he put on from the true spirit
dressed up go on a journey from one to
zero on a through four spirits item zero
the one on the ego site
and basically becoming who would think
were meant to be as opposed to who we
really are
if you stripped all Eagle back and
everyone became true spirit and became a
one with the universe and the energy
field then we're saying we are at one
with ET we are at one with any person on
the planet based on the fact there is no
ego I think I think that's interesting
because people can discover what we're
discovering about the relationship
between the material and the spiritual
within their their cultural forms their
religious forms they're doing this but
what happens in those religions is that
they are they are also clamped down by
the materialistic and the spiritual and
the material basically blocks their
spiritual development and that also
happens with all all those at those
areas and and if they can discover
through through the studies like we're
doing our studies at the moment they can
start to see how they become connected
to the spiritual side of things then
then they've actually grown they die if
they become so club the caught up by the
the materialistic elements like for
example people aren't in churches
they're not in mosque they're not in
synagogues at the moment we have to self
iced night because of the pandemic but I
believe that a lot of people are
becoming very spiritual because then
they're they're forming the the actual
spiritual body as opposed to the
physical actually it's letting go the
ego for the moment because they're not
oh they're Eastern places most because
they're now inside a lot more and
actually they're becoming more aware of
themselves and their inner voice and
because they're still they're still in
terms of moving less and there and if
you just took the children out of the
room yeah then they actually started I'm
talking to myself more I'm actually I
think I when you externalize device I'm
talking to me I'm talking to I'm trying
to talk to my inner voice my inner
spirit and go are you happy are you
happy and this is back to the knowing so
what we would quote from Julia cameras
book like book and I think I don't we
started off with but it's around her
terminology which is shadow artists are
gravitating to their rightful tribe but
cannot yet claimed their birthright I
urge them to
step forward out of the shadows and into
the sunlight our creativity and this is
where is it okay for me to stop being an
accountant and start being a film
producer director a writer it's okay
I don't know I'm uncertain of what's
gonna happen next but certain I'm not
gonna be the count or more certain that
may change but the uncertainty principle
is actually what will let the universe
flow to us to den step forward be happy
and learn more to know more under the
heading of our true selves so what we
have to do and as a closing piece now is
to embrace the uncertainty and also
embrace the spirituality of the universe
if you like thanks very much for
watching everybody I think we're coming
up to the end of quicksand actually
record at this point and we look forward
to what is an uncertain future you know
what I don't want episode I'm uncertain
what I do but that's the fun that's what
we're looking forward to bye bye bye for
now
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