>> Carole: GOOD EVENING, 
EVERYONE.
I'M CAROLE MacNEIL.
THE NIGHTMARE CONTINUES FOR NOVA
SCOTIANS TODAY.
THE RCMP TOLD US THAT THEY HAD 
DISCOVERED EVEN MORE VICTIMS 
STEMMING FROM A 12-HOUR MASSACRE
ON THE WEEKEND.
22 PEOPLE IN ALL.
TONIGHT WE'RE BRINGING YOU 
ANOTHER SPECIAL TWO-HOUR 
PROGRAMME, THIS TIME FOCUSING ON
THE STORIES OF THE PEOPLES WHOSE
LIVES WERE TAKEN AND THE IMPACT 
ON FRIENDS, FAMILY AND 
COMMUNITIES.
WITH THAT IN MIND, LET'S GO TO 
THE RCMP DETACHMENT IN BURNSIDE,
NOVA SCOTIA.
COLLEEN JONES IS THERE.
>> Reporter: HI, CAROLE.
THIS IS KIND OF A SOMBER PLACE.
IT'S QUITE A MEMORIAL.
YOU CAN SEE THE FLOWERS BEHIND 
ME.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN A STEADY STREAM
THROUGH THE EARLY PART OF THIS 
EVENING.
PEOPLE BRINGING MORE FLOWERS.
I JUST SAW ONE PERSON KNEEL DOWN
AND PERHAPS SAY A PRAYER.
ANOTHER WOMAN CAME AND LAID TWO 
NOVA SCOTIA TARTAN HEARTS ON 
THIS WALL.
YOU CAN SEE THE -- BEHIND ME IT 
SAYS, HERO.
A LOT OF THESE TRIBUTES HERE ARE
FOR THE RCMP, BUT ALSO FOR THE 
LONG LIST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE 
VICTIMS IN THIS TRAGEDY.
BUT FOR SOME OF THE CARDS, IF 
YOU TAKE NOTE AND JUST WALK THE 
WALL AND READ THEM, THEY'RE FOR 
THE FALLEN RCMP OFFICER, HEIDI 
STEVENSON, WHO WAS TRAGICALLY 
KILLED IN THIS RAMPAGE.
SHE WAS A 23-YEAR VETERAN OF THE
FORCE.
AND SHE'S BEING HONOURED JUST 
ABOUT IF YOU GO TO ALMOST ALL OF
THE RCMP DETACHMENTS FROM HERE 
UP THROUGH TRURO, YOU'LL SEE 
THESE KIND OF TRIBUTES.
MAYBE NOT AS BIG AS THIS, BUT 
SHE ALSO SERVED IN COAL HARBOUR.
THAT'S WHERE SHE LIVES, JUST 
DOWN THE WAY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FAMILY WITH 
COAL HARBOUR BECAUSE IT'S THE 
HOME OF SIDNEY CROSBY.
IT'S ALSO THE HOME TO HEIDI 
STEVENSON.
>> Carole: IT'S INTERESTING 
TODAY WE'RE LEARNING SO MUCH 
MORE ABOUT THE VICTIMS AND 
THEY'RE LIVES.
IN A FEW MINUTES I'LL BE 
SPEAKING TO SOMEONE INSPIRED BY 
HEIDI, BECAUSE SHE HAD SUCH A 
LONG CAREER AND IMPACT ON HER 
COMMUNITY.
>> Reporter: WELL, YOU KNOW, 
EARLIER I WAS TALKING TO ONE OF 
THE RCMP SUPERINTENDENTS AT THE 
COAL HARBOUR DETACHMENT AND HE 
WAS SAYING THAT SHE INSPIRED 
EVERYBODY.
AND THAT NOT JUST WHEN SHE WAS 
IN HER RCMP UNIFORM, BUT ALSO 
WHEN SHE WAS JUST ABOUT COAL 
HARBOUR.
BECAUSE SHE HAD A MASSIVE SMILE,
HUGE LAUGH, MADE PEOPLE FEEL 
INSTANTLY AT EASE.
SHE WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE
THAT LIT UP THE ROOM.
AND CERTAINLY THOSE HAVE BEEN 
SOME OF THE STORIES WE'VE BEEN 
HEARING ABOUT A LOT OF THE 
PEOPLE WHO DIED SO TRAGICALLY IN
THIS WHOLE INCIDENT.
THAT THEY WERE FULL OF LIFE AND 
SO COURAGEOUS AND THEY'RE THE 
KIND OF PEOPLE, CAROLE, THAT YOU
WOULD WANT TO HAVE IN YOUR 
BACKYARD.
YOU KNOW, FROM THE VOLUNTEER 
FIREFIGHTER WE HEARD ABOUT LAST 
NIGHT TO THE ELEMENTARY 
SCHOOLTEACHER IN DEBERT.
AND IT'S SO MANY DIFFERENT 
STORIES LIKE THE V.O.N. NURSES.
SO THEY'RE ALL SORT OF THE 
PEOPLE WHO HELP OTHER PEOPLE, SO
IT'S BEEN -- IT'S BEEN MOVING TO
HEAR THE STORIES OF THESE LIVES 
THAT WERE CUT TOO SHORT.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE ITEM FOR
HEIDI STEVENSON READY, SO LET'S 
TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
>> Reporter: ON COAL HARBOUR 
ROAD, WITH ANGEL WINGS NOW, THE 
NEWEST HERO, CONSTABLE HEIDI 
STEVENSON.
HEARTS ARE TACKED TO LAMP POSTS 
ALONG THE ROADS, OUR THOUGHTS 
ARE WITH YOU ALL AND OUTSIDE THE
RCMP DETACHMENT, FLOWERS, SIGNS,
NOTES TO HEIDI'S HUSBAND DEAN 
AND HER CHILDREN.
PEOPLE TAKE A MOMENT TO BRING 
FLOWERS AND FIND COMFORT.
THIS SHRINE IS ON PETE'S WALKING
ROUTE.
>> HELP EASE THE PAIN OF 
EVERYBODY.
>> Reporter: SGT. JOE FELL TO 
HIS KNEES WHEN HE HEARD THE NEWS
THAT AN RCMP OFFICER HAD BEEN 
KILLED IN THE RAMPAGE.
>> HEIDI WORKED HERE FOR SO MANY
YEARS.
SHE WAS SO BELOVED IN THE 
COMMUNITY.
IT WAS DISBELIEF.
I COULDN'T BELIEVE SOMETHING 
COULD HAPPEN TO SUCH AN AMAZING,
WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL WOMAN.
LIKE I WAS TELLING EVERYBODY, 
HER SMILE WOULD LIGHT UP A ROOM.
HER LAUGHTER WAS SO CONTAGIOUS.
SHE PUT ANYBODY AT EASE.
I DON'T THINK SHE HAD A MEAN 
BONE IN HER BODY.
OUR THOUGHTS AND LOVE GO OUT TO 
DEAN AND THE KIDS.
I MEAN, TO US, THEY WERE THE 
PERFECT COUPLE AND FAMILY.
AMAZING PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: AS HER FELLOW 
OFFICERS WORK ON, THEY GET 
COMFORT FROM THE MEMORIALS THAT 
CONTINUE TO GROW.
>> IT'S HARD.
WE'RE REALLY HURTING HERE.
TO LOSE SOMEBODY SO VALUABLE TO 
US.
>> Reporter: PEOPLE ARE LEAVING 
NOTES ON THE GIANT FLAG OUTSIDE 
THE DETACHMENT.
EVEN THE FAMOUS SON SIDNEY 
CROSBY TWEETED HIS DEEPEST 
CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY.
MEANWHILE, AROUND THE CORNER, 
CANADIAN FLAGS HAVE BEEN PUT 
OUTSIDE THE HIGH SCHOOL WHERE 
HEIDI'S HUSBAND DEAN WORKS AS A 
TEACHER.
BUT THERE ARE REMINDERS THAT 
PEOPLE KILLED IN THE TRAGEDY ARE
GONE, BUT NOT FORGOTTEN.
AND THE LOVE PEOPLE FEEL FOR 
THOSE LOST IS VERY REAL.
I KNOW IN ENFIELD, NOVA SCOTIA, 
THE LAST DETACHMENT THAT HEIDI 
STEVENSON WORKED AT, THERE IS AN
INCREDIBLE TRIBUTE THERE.
EARLIER TODAY THERE WAS A PIPER 
PIPING AMAZING GRAYSEN CAMERON 
 -- GRACE.
IT WAS AN EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCE.
AN EAGLE FLEW OVER HEAD.
JUST SOME OF THE STORIES 
EMERGING HERE AS WE LEARN MORE 
ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO TRAGICALLY 
DIED.
>> Carole: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THE CBC'S COLLEEN JONES IN 
DARTMOUTH, NOVA SCOTIA.
>>> OF THE 22 VICTIMS, THREE 
WERE MEMBERS OF THE SAME FAMILY 
FROM PORTAPIQUE, NOVA SCOTIA.
AARON TUCK AND JOLENE OLIVER 
WERE THE PARENTS OF 17-YEAR-OLD 
EMILY TUCK.
THE FAMILY WAS FOUND DEAD INSIDE
THEIR HOME ON SUNDAY.
THEY WERE DESCRIBED BY JOLENE 
OLIVER'S SISTER AS A FAMILY THAT
STAYED TOGETHER NO MATTER HOW 
DIFFICULT LIFE GOT.
MY NEXT GUEST KNEW THE FAMILY 
WELL.
SARA IS IN HIGHLAND VILLAGE, 
NOVA SCOTIA.
ONE OF HER SONS WAS IN A 
RELATIONSHIP WITH EMILY TUCK.
HEART FELT CONDOLENCES TO YOU 
AND YOUR FAMILY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Carole: HOW ARE YOU?
>> I'M MAKING IT THROUGH AS BEST
WE CAN.
>> Carole: YEAH, I'LL BET.
DESCRIBE THE RELATIONSHIP 
BETWEEN YOU AND THE TUCK FAMILY.
>> JOLENE AND AARON WERE REALLY 
GREAT PEOPLE.
I DIDN'T GET TO KNOW THEM AS 
WELL AS I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO.
THE FEW TIMES THAT I DID GET TO 
SPEND WITH THEM DROPPING MY SON 
OFF AND JUST WALKING IN THEIR 
HOUSE, AARON ALWAYS HAD MUSIC 
GOING.
ALWAYS OFFERING A DRINK.
COME IN.
SIT DOWN.
JUST TAKE A LOAD OFF AND TELL ME
YOUR WORRIES REALLY.
JOLENE WAS ALWAYS SITTING RIGHT 
BESIDE HIM.
AND EMILY WAS THE APPLE OF THEIR
EYE.
I DON'T THINK I MET TWO PEOPLE 
WHO LOVED THEIR CHILD AS MUCH AS
THEY DID.
>> Carole: YOUR SON ALSO SAYS HE
LOVED EMILY.
HOW IS HE DOING?
>> AS GOOD AS HE CAN BE.
WE LIVE IN A SMALL COMMUNITY AND
HE HAS -- WE HAVE SOME REALLY 
AMAZING FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT 
HAVE REACHED OUT TO NOT ONLY 
HIM, BUT TO ME AS WELL.
AND I WANT THEM ALL TO KNOW I 
LOVE THEM SO MUCH AND THANK YOU,
IT MEANS SO MUCH TO ME TO KNOW 
HE HAS THAT KIND OF LOVE AND 
SUPPORT.
>> Carole: HOW ARE YOU 
SUPPORTING EACH OTHER?
>> RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TRYING TO 
TALK IT OUT.
IT'S HARD FOR HIM.
AND YOU KNOW JUST TRYING TO BE 
THERE AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY CAN.
THERE IS NOT MUCH I CAN DO FROM 
WHERE I'M AT.
AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TAKE IT
DAY BY DAY AND WORK TOGETHER AS 
A TEAM.
AND JUST BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER
AND THE COMMUNITY AS ONE.
>> Carole: SO HARD TO DO AT THIS
PARTICULAR TIME IN OUR LIVES.
>> VERY MUCH SO.
>> Carole: I'M FROM NOVA SCOTIA,
SO I KNOW A BIG PART OF SHOWING 
SUPPORT IS NOT ONLY BEING WITH 
EACH OTHER, HUGGING EACH OTHER, 
BUT PROVIDING FOOD AND ALL THAT 
SUPPORT THAT NOW IT'S A LOT MORE
DIFFICULT TO DO.
IT MUST BE FRUSTRATING.
>> IT REALLY IS.
YOU KNOW, ME, MYSELF, I JUST 
REALLY WANT TO HUG ANYBODY THAT 
REALLY NEEDS A HUG.
OR I JUST WANT TO HUG IT OUT.
AND IT JUST -- A PHONE CALL, 
YES, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR 
SOMEBODY'S VOICE, BUT IT JUST 
DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME MEANING I 
GUESS.
>> Carole: WHAT DOES THE REST OF
THE WEEK LOOK LIKE FOR YOU?
>> RIGHT NOW JUST TRYING TO 
REACH OUT TO EMILY AND JOLENE'S 
FAMILY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO
HELP.
MOST OF THEM ARE IN CAPE BRETON 
AND ALBERTA, SO I KNOW THEY 
DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIES TO NOVA
SCOTIA.
TIGHT-KNIT AS THEY WOULD LIKE TO
BE, BUT JUST WANTED THEM TO 
KNOW, WE'RE HERE AND IF THEY 
NEED US, WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS 
STRONG AS WE CAN TO HELP AND 
WE'LL BE THERE FOR ANYBODY.
>> Carole: SARAH, I WANT TO 
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING 
ABOUT THE TUCK FAMILY TONIGHT.
I APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
>> Carole: SARAH JOLLIMORE KNEW 
THE FAMILY.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
FOR FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS 
DIFFICULT.
THIS IS A HORRIFIC EVENT THAT 
NONE OF US COULD EVER IMAGINED 
WOULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE, LET ALONE
HERE.
BECAUSE OF THE CORONAVIRUS, WE 
HAVE TO MOURN DIFFERENTLY.
YOU KNOW, PART OF THE GRIEVING 
PROCESS IS THE ABILITY TO MOURN 
AS A FAMILY WITH FRIENDS AND 
COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY 
TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
>> Carole: THAT'S NOVA SCOTIA 
PREMIER STEPHEN McNEIL SAYING 
THAT EARLIER TODAY THE PROVINCE 
NEEDS TO MOURN DIFFERENTLY.
NORMALLY IN A TRAGEDY LIKE THIS,
PEOPLE COME TOGETHER AND HOLD 
VIGILS IN PERSON TO REMEMBER THE
LIVES LOST, BUT IT'S NOT 
POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE 
PANDEMIC.
SO MY NEXT GUEST IS TURNING TO 
SOCIAL MEDIA FOR AN ONLINE 
VIGIL.
JOINING ME IS TORY FINNY.
HE'S ONE OF THE CO-ORGANIZERS OF
THE VIGIL THIS FRIDAY.
TORY JOINS ME NOW FROM NOVA 
SCOTIA.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US 
TONIGHT.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> Carole: HOW DID YOU FIRST 
HEAR ABOUT THE SHOOTING?
>> VIA Facebook.
THERE IS A GROUP ONLINE 
COMMUNICATING REGULARLY.
THAT'S HOW I HEARD ABOUT IT FOR 
THE FIRST TIME.
>> Carole: WHAT WAS YOUR 
REACTION?
WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN
YOU SAW THAT?
>> DISBELIEF INITIALLY.
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE SOMETHING 
LIKE THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN 
HERE.
AND, YEAH, DISBELIEF.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
>> Carole: HOW ARE YOU COPING 
WITH IT ALL?
>> RIGHT NOW, MY PERSONAL FOCUS 
IS ON THE FUNDRAISER AND THIS 
VIGIL FOR FRIDAY.
AND ASIDE FROM THAT, REACHING 
OUT TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND 
SHARING STORIES AND FEELINGS 
WITH THEM.
I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE 
BEST WAY.
>> Carole: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 
VIGIL.
FIRST OF ALL, HOW WILL IT WORK?
>> THE VIGIL IS GOING TO BE 
ROUGHLY A TWO-HOUR EVENT THAT 
WILL BE STREAMED THROUGH YouTube
AND OUR Facebook SUPPORTING 
COLCHESTER COMMUNITIES.
>> Carole: HOW DO PEOPLE TAKE 
PART?
>> THIS IS AN EVENT PEOPLE WILL 
BE ABLE TO WATCH TOGETHER.
THE PROGRAMME IS ALREADY SET AND
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING 
TO AIR.
IT'S GOING TO ALLOW VIEWERS FROM
ALL OVER NOVA SCOTIA AND THE 
REST OF THE COUNTRY TO WATCH 
TOGETHER AND TO COME TOGETHER 
WHEN WE CAN'T IN OUR USUAL WAYS.
>> Carole: AND WHAT WILL THEY BE
WATCHING?
>> THERE IS GOING TO BE A 
COMBINATION OF MESSAGES FROM 
POLITICAL FOLKS AS WELL AS 
MUSICIANS AND CELEBRITIES AND A 
RELIGIOUS ASPECT AS WELL.
>> Carole: WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE 
THIS?
IN THIS WAY NOW?
>> TYPICALLY IN A COMMUNITY LIKE
OURS, A SMALL COMMUNITY WHERE WE
ALL KNOW EACH OTHER, THIS IS A 
TIME WHERE WE WOULD COME 
TOGETHER IN PERSON, WHETHER IT 
BE AT A CHURCH, A COMMUNITY HALL
AND GRIEVE TOGETHER, TELL OUR 
STORIES TOGETHER AND RIGHT NOW 
WE CAN'T DO THAT.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO DO 
SOMETHING.
WE REALLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO 
JOIN OUR Facebook PAGE.
TO SHARE YOUR STORIES, SHARE 
YOUR FEELINGS BECAUSE THAT IS 
SUCH A KEY PART OF THE MOURNING 
PROCESS.
>> Carole: IT MUST BE SO HARD, 
THOUGH, HAVING TO KEEP THAT 
PHYSICAL DISTANCE.
HOW ELSE ARE PEOPLE SUPPORTING 
EACH OTHER THERE?
>> PEOPLE ARE REACHING OUT.
THAT'S THE BEST THING THAT YOU 
CAN DO, IS REACH OUT TO YOUR 
FRIENDS, REACH OUT TO YOUR 
FAMILY, REACH OUT TO YOUR 
NEIGHBOURS.
SEE IF THEY NEED ANYTHING.
SEE IF THEY NEED TO JUST OPEN UP
AND TALK.
NOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, BUT 
ALSO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND JUST BE THERE.
>> Carole: WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU
HAVE ABOUT ALL OF THIS?
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT?
WHAT KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS DO 
YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS AND 
COLLEAGUES HAVE?
>> I THINK THAT HOW WE MOVE 
FORWARD FROM THIS IS AN 
IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME COMMENTS, 
YOU KNOW, IN MY CIRCLE AND IN 
THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, HEY, WE 
USED TO KEEP OUR DOORS UNLOCKED 
AND WE CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE 
CASE.
I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO 
BE WHO WE WERE BEFORE.
KNOWN FOR OUR HOSPITALITY AND 
OUR KINDNESS AND STOPPING TO 
HELP STRANGERS AND THINGS LIKE 
THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO EMBRACE THAT 
AND HOLD ONTO THAT AND NOT LOSE 
IT.
NOT LOSE WHO WE ARE AS A 
COMMUNITY.
>> Carole: RIGHT.
CO-ORGANIZER OF AN ONLINE VIGIL 
THIS FRIDAY AND FUNDRAISER.
WHAT IS THE FUNDRAISER FOR?
YOU MENTIONED THAT AS WELL.
>> WE'RE GOING TO BE LAUNCHING A
WEBSITE THAT HAS A LIST OF ALL 
OF THE GoFundMe LINKS THAT ARE 
LEGITIMATE THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED
AND WE ARE GOING TO BE PROMOTING
THAT DURING THE VIGIL AS WELL 
AND GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY 
TO DONATE TO THE FAMILIES OF 
THESE VICTIMS.
>> Carole: ALL RIGHT.
TORY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR 
JOINING US TONIGHT.
>> MY PLEASURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Carole: ALL ACROSS THIS 
COUNTRY, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO 
DEAL WITH THEIR GRIEF OVER WHAT 
HAPPENED IN NOVA SCOTIA, BUT 
PHYSICAL DISTANCING RULES AS 
WE'VE BEEN SAYING MEANS 
GATHERING TOGETHER IS NOT AN 
OPTION.
AS TOM MURPHY REPORTS TONIGHT, 
PEOPLE ARE FINDING OTHER WAYS TO
EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THE FAMILIES
OF THE VICTIMS.
>> Reporter: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO 
SOMEONE WHOSE LOST SO MUCH?
HOW DO YOU SAY IT?
A CANDLELIGHT VIGIL HELPS.
>> IT'S SOMETHING YOU JUST HAVE 
TO DO.
IT'S HUMAN NATURE TO FEEL GRIEF 
FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: BUT AFTER THE 
CANDLE BURNS OUT, IN THE DAYS TO
COME, WHAT THEN?
QUENTREL PROVO STARTED THE 
GROUP, STOP THE VIOLENCE, SHOW 
THE LOVE, A FEW YEARS AGO TO TRY
TO STEM GUN VIOLENCE IN HALIFAX.
>> WE HAVE CONSTABLE HEIDI 
STEVENSON, LISA McCULLY, JOLENE 
OLIVER.
-- 
>> Reporter: LAST NIGHT, 
THOUSANDS JOINED HIM FOR AN 
ONLINE VIGIL.
HE SAYS A PLEDGE TO STAY BY THE 
SIDE OF THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES 
CAN GO A LONG WAY.
>> YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BE 
THERE WHEN THE FUNERALS ARE 
OVER.
WHEN THIS IS IN THE BACK THOUGHT
OF PEOPLE'S MINDS, YOU HAVE TO 
BE THERE FOR THEM.
>> Reporter: WHERE LAST 
WEEKEND'S RAMPAGE BEGAN, WHERE A
MEMORIAL TO SOME OF THE DEAD 
GROWS, THEY VOW TO DO JUST THAT.
>> I JUST WANT THEM TO KNOW 
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE 
THINKING ABOUT THEM.
>> Reporter: THE SIGNS OF 
COMMUNITY SUPPORT ARE EVERYWHERE
HERE.
>> IT'S THE BOND OF COMMUNITY TO
KNOW THAT YOU'RE PART OF A 
LARGER CONCERN AND THAT PEOPLE 
CARE FOR YOU.
DON'T ALWAYS ONLY SHARE LIFE 
BECAUSE YOU'RE JOYFUL, YOU SHARE
BECAUSE YOU'RE SAD.
>> I NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE HERE 
IN NOVA SCOTIA SINGING ABOUT 
THIS KIND OF TRAGEDY.
>> Reporter: THE SADNESS OF IT 
ALL SHARED IN SONG.
♪ SOONER OR LATER ♪
♪ IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY ♪
I THINK PEOPLE FEEL THAT LOVE 
AND THEY GET THAT CONNECTION FOR
CERTAIN, BUT IT'S FUNNY, IT'S 
HEALING FOR THE PERSON THAT 
SHOWS THAT SUPPORT, TOO.
AND THAT'S, I THINK, WHAT WE 
WERE DOING LAST NIGHT.
>> Reporter: ALL SHOWING THE 
HOPE THAT THERE HAS TO BE BETTER
DAYS AHEAD FOR NOVA SCOTIA.
>> Carole: PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN
TRUDEAU ADDRESSED NOVA SCOTIANS 
AND CANADIANS ABOUT THE ATTACKS 
DURING HIS BRIEFING TODAY.
HERE'S A BIT OF WHAT HE HAD TO 
SAY.
>> Prime Minister Justin 
Trudeau: THIS MORNING I WANT TO 
AGAIN EXTEND MY MOST SINCERE 
CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES AND 
FRIENDS OF THE VICTIMS OF THE 
TERRIBLE NOVA SCOTIA ATTACKS.
SINCE YESTERDAY I'VE HAD THE 
CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH CONSTABLE 
CHAD MORRISON, THE RCMP OFFICER 
WHO WAS WOUNDED, AS WELL AS 
CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON'S 
FAMILY.
ON BEHALF OF ALL CANADIANS, I 
THANKED THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE 
AND THEIR SACRIFICE.
YESTERDAY WHEN I OFFERED MY 
SYMPATHIES TO THE RCMP OFFICERS 
WHO SUPPORT ME, I WAS AMAZED TO 
SEE HOW MANY OF THEM KNEW HEIDI 
AND HAD INCREDIBLY FOND MEMORIES
OF HER.
THEY HAD WORKED WITH HER ON THE 
MUSICAL RIDE.
THEY REMEMBERED HER AS AN 
EXTRAORDINARY PERSON.
AND IT REALLY GOES TO SHOW JUST 
HOW TIGHTLY KNIT NOT JUST THE 
RCMP AS A FORCE, BUT HOW CLOSE 
WE ARE AS A COUNTRY.
>> Carole: THE PRIME MINISTER 
SPEAKING TODAY.
NOT ALL OF THE VICTIMS OF THIS 
WEEKEND'S MASSACRE WERE HUMAN.
AS THE CHAOS WAS UNFOLDING, A 
SMALL DOG WAS HIT BY A BULLET.
MORE ON THE EFFORTS TO SAVE A 
DOG NAMED ZOE AFTER HER OWNERS 
WERE KILLED.
>> Reporter: IT WAS SUNDAY 
MORNING WHEN AN RCMP OFFICER 
CALLED THE CENTRAL NOVA ANIMAL 
HOSPITAL.
A SMALL DOG HAD BEEN SHOT.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING 
ON, YOU JUST SAY YES, I'LL HOPE 
YOU OUT AND YOU GO HELP OUT.
I WAS PRETTY SHOCKED WHEN I 
FIRST SAW IT.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A GUNSHOT WOUND 
IN A PERSON OR ANIMAL.
>> Reporter: IT WASN'T BEFORE 
LONG THAT 9-YEAR-OLD ZOE WAS IN 
THEIR CARE.
THEY FACED A HORRIBLE 
REALIZATION.
THE DOG WAS A CLIENT IN THE 
CLINIC.
THEIR PARENTS, JAMIE AND GREG 
BLAIR, VICTIMS OF THE MASSACRE.
MacKAY'S SONS PLAYED HOCKEY WITH
THEIR CHILDREN.
>> RENEE HELD IT TOGETHER BETTER
THAN I DID.
>> Reporter: FOR MacKAY, SAVING 
ZOE WAS ONE OF THE MOST 
IMPORTANT MOMENTS IN HER CAREER.
SHE SAID THE DOG'S RECOVERY IS 
NOTHING SHORT OF A MIRACLE.
>> WHEN THE POLICE OFFICER TELLS
YOU THAT THERE ARE THREE BOYS 
THAT LOVE THIS DOG AND THEY'VE 
LOST BOTH OF THEIR PARENTS AND 
EVERYTHING ELSE THEY OWN, AND 
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE
LEFT, YOU'RE HOPING BEYOND HOPE 
THAT YOU CAN PULL OUT SOME SORT 
OF MAGIC.
>> Reporter: AS WORD SPREAD, THE
PHONES STARTING RINGING OFF THE 
HOOK.
STRANGERS OFFERING TO PAY FOR 
ZOE'S CARE.
INSTEAD, THE VET CLINIC IS 
FOOTING THE BILL.
THEY'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO DONATE 
DIRECTLY TO THE FAMILY.
GINA GOULET'S BELOVED SHEPARD 
WAS SHOT TWICE.
NOW THAT ZOE IS BACK ON HER 
FEET, SHE'LL SPEND A FEW MORE 
WEEKS IN CLINIC WHILE SHE HEALS.
>> WE CAN'T WAIT TO
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> Carole: WELCOME BACK TO CBC 
NEWS NETWORK.
THE SISTER OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS
IN THE NOVA SCOTIA MASSACRE IS 
SHARING HER STORY TONIGHT.
JENNY KIERSTEAD LIVES IN 
HALIFAX.
SHE LOST HER SISTER LISA 
McCULLY.
THE CBC'S PAUL PALMETER HAS 
THEIR STORY.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> Reporter: LISA McCULLY 
RECENTLY POSTED THIS VIDEO OF 
HER PLAYING A UKULELE TO HER 
SCHOOL KIDS AT DEBERT ELEMENTARY
AS A WAY TO STAY IN TOUCH DURING
THE COVID-19 OUTBREAK.
SATURDAY NIGHT SHE WAS ONE OF 
THE PEOPLE KILLED ON PORTAPIQUE 
BEACH ROAD.
>> I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR
US TO TAKE IT ONE DAY AT A TIME.
>> Reporter: JENNY KIERSTEAD 
SAYS THE FIRST THING HER SISTER 
DID WHEN SHE DISCOVERED A FIRE 
ON THE ROAD SATURDAY NIGHT WAS 
TO PROTECT HER TWO KIDS.
>> I DO KNOW SHE KNEW ENOUGH TO 
PUT THE KIDS IN THE BASEMENT AND
JUST WISH SHE'D STAYED THERE.
BUT SHE WAS -- SHE WAS A 
NATURAL-BORN LEADER AND WAS SO 
HELPFUL TO EVERYONE.
AND SHE KNEW THAT THERE WAS A 
HOUSE ON FIRE THAT PEOPLE WERE 
IN NEED AND SHE WENT OUT TO BE 
OF ASSISTANCE.
>> Reporter: LISA McCULLY 
STUDENTS HAVE BEEN VISITING THE 
DEBERT SCHOOL OVER THE LAST TWO 
DAYS TO LEAVE ITEMS TO REMEMBER 
HER BY.
>> SHE WAS MY TEACHER.
HELPING EVERYONE OUT, ALL THE 
STUDENTS.
SHE'S A GREAT TEACHER AND SHE 
WAS MY COACH FOR HOCKEY.
>> Reporter: SHE SAYS HER SISTER
AND GABRIEL WORTMAN WERE JUST 
ACQUAINTANCES, BUT THEIR HOMES 
WERE NOT FAR FROM EACH OTHER.
SHE SAID SHE'LL NEVER FORGET THE
TEXT SHE GOT FROM HER SISTER WHO
LOVED LIVING SO CLOSE TO THE 
BEACH.
>> SHE WAS SO AT PEACE THERE.
SHE WOULD WALK THAT BEACH EVERY 
MORNING AND NIGHT.
THE LAST PHOTO I RECEIVED OF HER
WAS 8:30 THAT NIGHT, SHE WAS 
WALKING THE BEACH WITH A GLASS 
OF RED WINE.
>> Reporter: KIERSTEAD HAS NOW 
LOST BOTH OF HER SIBLINGS.
HER BROTHER PASSED AWAY TWO 
YEARS AGO AFTER A BRIEF BATTLE 
WITH CANCER.
>> Carole: AND WE'RE HEARING 
MORE STORIES OF THE OTHER 
VICTIMS AS TOLD TO US BY THEIR 
FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
SUSANA DA SILVA JOINS ME NOW 
WITH THE DETAILS.
>> Reporter: YES, MANY STORIES, 
LOTS OF LOVE, LOTS OF LOSS.
PEOPLE TRYING TO FOLK ON THOSE 
GOOD TIMES AND THE MEMORIES THEY
HAVE WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
LET'S TAKE YOU THROUGH A FEW 
MORE OF THE NAMES AND THE PEOPLE
THAT WERE LOST THIS WEEKEND THAT
WE CAN CONFIRM AND SEE THEIR 
PICTURES AND HEAR ABOUT WHAT 
THEIR LIVES WERE LIKE.
CORRIE ELLISON, HE WAS 42 YEARS 
OLD, REMEMBERED AS A THOUGHTFUL 
KIND FRIEND.
ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WOULD GO
OUT OF HIS WAY TO HELP OTHERS.
HE WAS JUST THERE VISITING HIS 
FATHER AT THE TIME.
HIS FATHER COULDN'T GIVE THE 
DETAILS OF WHAT HAPPENED, HOW IT
WAS THAT HE WAS CAUGHT UP IN THE
TERRIBLE INCIDENT, BUT BEING 
REMEMBERED AS A NICE GUY ALL 
AROUND.
WE ALSO HAVE GINA GOULET, 54 
YEARS OLD AND HAD BEATEN CANCER 
TWICE ALREADY IN HER LIFE BEFORE
THIS TRAGIC INCIDENT.
SHE WORKED AS A DENTURIST FOR 27
YEARS IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE ALSO HAVE JOEY WEBER AND 
HEARING SO MANY STORIES OF 
PEOPLE WHO LEFT CHILDREN BEHIND 
AND HE IS ONE OF THOSE.
FATHER OF THREE DAUGHTERS.
GONE OUT JUST TO RUN AN ERRAND 
ON SUNDAY, THINKING EVERYTHING 
WAS NORMAL, WHEN HE WAS CAUGHT 
UP IN THIS.
LOCAL COUNCILLOR SAYING HE WOULD
SEE HIM WALKING HAD IS KIDS TO 
SCHOOL, ALWAYS POLITE, A SMILE 
ON HIS FACE.
A DAWN MADSEN AND FRANK 
GULENCHYN.
THEY JUST MOVED TO NOVA SCOTIA.
DAWN HAD WORKED FOR TWO DECADES 
IN FOOD SERVICE IN A LONG-TERM 
CARE FACILITY.
HER BOSS SAID ANY COMPANY WOULD 
LIKE THIS HAVE TEN OF HER 
WORKING BECAUSE SHE WAS SO 
RESPONSIBLE AND FOCUSED ON HER 
PATIENTS.
HERE'S A FEW MORE THINGS.
>> SHE SHOWED US RESPECT AND SHE
GOT RESPECT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WALK OF 
LIFE YOU'RE IN, SHE WAS VERY 
RESPECTFUL, HELPFUL.
A GOOD FRIEND.
A SHOULDER TO CRY ON.
SHE'S ONE THERE TO UPLIFT YOU.
>> Reporter: AND FOR ONE MAN, 
THIS HAS BEEN AN EXCRUCIATING 
WAIT.
HE HAS YET TO HEAR FROM HIS 
PARENTS.
HIS PARENTS ARE NOT CONFIRMED.
THEY ARE PRESUMED TO BE.
THAT'S JOANNE THOMAS AND JOHN 
ZAHL.
THE POLICE HAVE SAID HE SHOULD 
PRESUME THE WORSE.
THEY HAVE MOVED TO PORTAPIQUE 
FOR RETIREMENT.
THOMAS WAS IN HER LATE 50s 
ORIGINALLY FROM WINNIPEG.
THEIR SON SAYS THEY LOVED THE 
HOME THEY HAD THERE.
A QUIET STREET, CABIN WITH A 
VIEW OF THE WATER.
IT WAS A PLACE THEY LOVED TO BE.
HE SPOKE WITH HIS MOTHER EVERY 
DAY AND SPENT ALL OF SUNDAY 
CONTACTING POLICE, HOSPITALS, 
ANYONE, TRYING TO FIND 
INFORMATION ABOUT HIS PARENTS 
AND STILL CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW 
THIS HAPPENED.
>> THEY WERE ANGELS.
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT ABOUT THEM 
IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT.
AND I REALLY DO.
THEY WERE ANGELS.
I TOLD THAT TO PEOPLE BEFORE ANY
OF THIS EVEN HAPPENED.
A RANGE OF EVERYTHING, UPSET, 
SAD, HOPEFUL.
BUT I MEAN AS THE HOURS ON 
SUNDAY WHEN I WOKE UP, YOU KNOW,
STARTING GOING BY, YOU KNOW WHAT
I'M SAY, YOU KNOW, YOUR HOPE IS 
THINNER AND THINNER.
>> Reporter: HE AND HIS BROTHER 
ARE WAITING TO THE GET THE FINAL
CONFIRMATION, BUT ASSUMING THE 
WORST, BUT HE CAN'T QUITE COME 
TO GRIPS WITH WHAT HAPPENED AND 
THE TIME LINE OF EVENTS.
HE SAYS HE HAS SO MANY 
QUESTIONS, BUT RIGHT NOW TRYING 
TO UNDERSTAND AND REMEMBER HIS 
PARENTS AS YOU SAID THERE, THE 
ANGELS HE BELIEVES THEY WERE.
>> Carole: THERE ARE STILL MANY 
MORE LIVES TAKEN IN THE TRAGEDY 
AND WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT 
THOSE PEOPLE NEXT HOUR AND GET 
THEIR STORIES TO YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
HOW DOES A COMMUNITY COPE WITH A
TRAGEDY LIKE THIS?
>> AN INDEPENDENT SENATOR 
REPRESENTING NOVA SCOTIA WAS THE
DIRECTOR OF THE WORLD HEALTH 
ORGANIZATION'S COLLABORATING 
CENTRE IN MENTAL HEALTH POLICY 
AND TRAINING AND SENATOR KUTCHER
JOINS ME NOW FROM HALIFAX.
WELCOME TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU, CAROLE.
NICE TO JOIN YOU.
>> Carole: I WISH IT WAS 
DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Carole: HOW DID YOU FIRST 
HEAR ABOUT THE SHOOTING?
>> WELL, I HEARD LIKE MANY 
PEOPLE SNIPPETS HERE AND THERE 
ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
PEOPLE CALLING ME AND SAYING, 
DID YOU HEAR WHAT IS GOING ON?
ONE OF OUR SON'S REACHING OUT TO
US FROM PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND 
SAYING, ARE YOU SAFE?
THAT IS HOW WE HEARD ABOUT IT.
>> Carole: AND WHEN YOU REALIZED
THE SCOPE OF THE SITUATION, THE 
SCOPE OF THE TRAGEDY, WHAT WAS 
YOUR REACTION THEN?
>> WELL, I THINK MY REACTION IS 
VERY SIMILAR TO MOST NOVA 
SCOTIANS, IN FACT, MANY 
CANADIANS.
SHOCK, DISBELIEF, A WHOLE MIX OF
EMOTIONS.
FEAR, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME NO 
ONE KNEW WHERE THE GUNMAN WAS.
ANGER.
PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THEY FELT AS
IF THEY WERE LIVING IN A 
NIGHTMARE.
AS THEY WERE CAUGHT UP IN A 
HORROR MOVIE.
IT'S A TERRIBLE, SENSELESS AND 
EVIL EVENT.
>> Carole: HOW CAN A TRAGEDY 
LIKE THIS, AN EVENT LIKE THIS, 
AFFECT A COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, CAROLE, THAT 
NOVA SCOTIA IS A FAIRLY SMALL 
PROVINCE.
MUCH OF IT IS RURAL.
VERY TIGHT-KNIT COMMUNITIES, 
PARTICULARLY IN RURAL AREAS.
THE COUNTRYSIDE COULD BE 
DESCRIBED AS BUCOLIC IN PARTS.
IT'S A REALLY LOVELY, LOVELY 
PLACE TO BE.
AND IF IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT A 
PLACE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE 6 
DEGREES OF SEPARATION, IT'S A 
PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE 2 OR 3 AT 
THE MOST.
AND BECAUSE OF THE CLOSENESS, 
PEOPLE SHARE JOY STRONGLY AND 
THEY SHARE THEIR SORROWS 
STRONGLY.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLACE 
TO START TO COME FROM.
BECAUSE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT
IS NECESSARY FOR COMMUNITIES TO 
START ON THE JOURNEY OF HEALING,
THERE ARE THREE IMPORTANT 
THINGS.
AND, ONE IS THAT THE COMMUNITY 
NEEDS TO HAVE CLEAR CREDIBLE 
INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS 
HAPPENING AND IT'S GOT TO COME 
FROM A TRUSTED SOURCE AND IT'S 
GOT TO BE FROM A SOURCE THAT IS 
KNOWN TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE SEEING THAT.
WE'RE SEEING THAT FROM THE ROYAL
CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
WE'RE SEEING THAT FROM THE 
PREMIER.
WE'RE SEEING IT FROM THE M.L.A.s
AND THAT HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY
GOOD.
BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, RUMOURS 
START TO SPREAD, ALL SORTS OF 
EMOTIONS FLARE UP, AND ONE OF 
THE STRONGEST EMOTIONS THAT 
COMES AT THAT TIME IS ANGER AND 
ANGER IS VERY, VERY DESTRUCTIVE 
EMOTION.
SO CLEAR, CALM, CREDIBLE 
INFORMATION IS ESSENTIAL.
>> Carole: YOU SAID THERE WERE 
THREE THINGS.
SO LET'S GO THROUGH THEM.
WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND THING?
>> THE SECOND THING IS 
REASSURANCE.
PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE
SAFE.
WE KNOW WITH THE DEATH OF THE 
GUNMAN PEOPLE FEEL SAFE.
THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO THERE
IS A PROCESS OF REASSURING 
PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL BE ALL 
RIGHT.
SO THE FIRST REASSURANCE IS 
SAFETY AND THE NEXT THAT YOU'RE 
GOING TO BE OKAY.
AND HERE THE LEADERS HAVE TO 
STEP UP AND THEY ARE.
SO OUR POLITICAL LEADERS ARE 
STEPPING UP TO DO THAT.
OUR RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE 
STEPPING UP TO DO THAT.
AND IN EVERY COMMUNITY THERE ARE
OTHER LEADERS, NATURAL LEADERS 
IN THAT COMMUNITY, SOCIALLY 
SANCTIONED LEADERS IN THE 
COMMUNITY AND WE'RE SEEING THEM 
STEP UP AND KNITTING TOGETHER 
THE TIES THAT BIND TOGETHER THE 
PEOPLE IN THOSE SMALLER 
COMMUNITIES AND ACROSS THE 
ENTIRE PROVINCE.
THE THIRD THING -- AND THIS IS 
CHALLENGING BECAUSE EVERY 
COMMUNITY HAS ITS HEALING 
RITUALS THAT THEY DO WHEN 
THEY'RE FACED WITH TRAGEDY AND 
LOSS.
AND THOSE RITUALS INCLUDE 
GETTING TOGETHER WITH OTHER 
PEOPLE FACE-TO-FACE, PHYSICAL 
CONTACT, HUGGING, GATHERING, 
SINGING -- 
>> Carole: EATING TOGETHER 
[LAUGHTER].
>> EATING TOGETHER.
THIS IS NOVA SCOTIA, YOU MAKE 
MUSIC TOGETHER.
THIS IS THE CHORD THAT STRIKES 
EVERYBODY.
THINKS THE ESSENCE -- THIS IS 
THE ESSENCE OF THE COMMUNITY AND
THAT IS A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW 
BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19.
>> I WAS TALKING TO TORY FINNY 
EARLIER AND HE IS CO-ORGANISING 
THE VIGIL THIS WEEK.
I ASKED HIM WHAT PEOPLE ARE 
TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
HE SAID ONE OF THE THINGS 
EVERYBODY IS SAYING IS, WE USED 
TO BE ABLE TO NOT LOCK OUR DOORS
AT NIGHT BUT THIS IS GOING TO 
CHANGE THAT.
HE'S TRYING TO URGE PEOPLE TO 
NOT LET THE TRAGEDY CHANGE THE 
COMMUNITY.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
>> YOU SEE, THE COMMUNITIES WILL
GO THROUGH -- AND ALL 
COMMUNITIES DO THAT EVERYWHERE 
IN THE WORLD IN THEIR OWN WAY.
THEY'LL GO THROUGH DIFFERENT 
PHASES.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE SHOCK AND
CONFUSION PHASE.
AND THEN WE'LL GET THROUGH THAT 
INTO A MORE, MY GOD WHY DID THIS
HAPPEN, WE'RE SEARCHING FOR 
ANSWERS -- WHICH WE MAY NEVER 
FIND OUT THE ANSWERS TO THESE 
THINGS.
AND THEN WE GO TO RESOLUTIONS 
AND MAKING NEW BOUNDARIES AN 
BONDS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO 
END UP NOT LOCKING YOUR DOORS.
IT MAY GET BACK TO NOT LOCKING 
YOUR DOORS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE
A PROCESS.
HEALING IS GOING TO BE 
DIFFICULT.
THERE WILL BE TIMES YOU GO 
FORWARD AND TIMES YOU GO 
BACKWARDS.
IT'S PAINFUL.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REALITY 
OF HUMAN EXISTENCE THAT THERE IS
HORRIFIC PAIN IN BEING HUMAN.
AND THE ONLY WAY, CAROLE, THE 
ONLY WAY THAT WE AS A SPECIES --
AND WE'VE DEVELOPED THIS WAY -- 
THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN SOLVE 
OUR PAIN IS TO BE THERE FOR EACH
OTHER, TO REACH OUT FOR EACH 
OTHER, TO ASK OTHERS TO HELP US.
IT IS THAT BINDING TOGETHER 
WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT AND SO 
RIGHT NOW I SEE THE COMMUNITIES,
ALL OF US, ARE DOING THAT.
WE'RE BINDING TOGETHER IN 
DIFFERENT WAYS.
PEOPLE ARE LIGHTING CANDLES ON 
THEIR PORCH.
I NOTICED THERE WAS A 
GOBSMACKING SUNSET YESTERDAY AND
PEOPLE WERE TAKING PICTURES OF 
IT AND SHINING IT ALL OVER 
SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND YOU THINK THAT IS A WAY OF 
BRINGING THE SHINE ON THE 
PROVINCE.
>> Carole: STAN KUTCHER, SENATOR
FOR NOVA SCOTIA.
THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
KNOW THAT YOU ARE FROM NOVA 
SCOTIA AND I HOPE IF YOU HAVE 
FAMILY THERE -- I DON'T KNOW IF 
YOU DO OR NOT -- THAT THEY ARE 
SAFE AND I HOPE THEY ARE ABLE TO
MOVE THEMSELVES THROUGH THIS 
TRAGIC TIME AS WELL.
>> Carole: THANK YOU SO MUCH, 
STAN.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> Carole: NOVA SCOTIA'S RCMP IS
RELEASING MORE DETAILS ABOUT 
WHAT HAPPENED THIS PAST WEEKEND.
FOR THE LATEST ON THE 
INVESTIGATION, LET'S TURN TO 
BRETT RUSKIN IN PORTAPIQUE, NOVA
SCOTIA.
>> Reporter: THE MAJOR NEWS WE 
HAVE TONIGHT IS THERE IS AN 
UPDATE FROM RCMP SAYING THAT THE
DEATH TOLL IS NOW 22 VICTIMS 
KILLED BY THIS SHOOTER.
THE SHOOTER HAS ALSO DIED AS 
WELL, BRINGING THE TOTAL 
FATALITY COUNT TO 23.
THE RCMP IS RELEASING SOME 
DETAILS.
THINGS ABOUT THE TIME LINE OF 
THE SHOOTING.
THE FIRST CALL CAME IN AT THE 
COMMUNITY BEHIND ME DOWN THE 
ROAD AROUND 10:30 P.M. ON 
SATURDAY NIGHT.
THAT'S WHEN POLICE ARRIVED AND 
FOUND SEVERAL CASUALTIES INSIDE 
AND OUTSIDE THE HOME AS WELL AND
PROCEEDED TO EXPAND THE MANHUNT 
FROM THAT POINT ON.
IT TOOK ABOUT 14 HOURS, A LITTLE
UNDER 14 HOURS, FOR THE SEARCH 
TO WRAP UP A GREAT DISTANCE AWAY
FROM HERE, DOWN IN ENFIELD, NOVA
SCOTIA, A LARGE GAS STATION 
THERE WHERE POLICE ARE 
CONFIRMING THEY SHOT THE VICTIM.
THEY SAY THEY TOOK HIM INTO 
CUSTODY AND HE LATER DIED.
WE KNOW HE DIED A SHORT TIME 
AFTER BEING SHOT.
BUT POLICE DID PUT OUT THE 
STATEMENT FIRST OF ALL SAYING HE
HAD BEEN TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AND 
HOURS, HOURS LATER SAID, YES, HE
DID ALSO DIE.
WE NOW KNOW THAT HE DIDN'T DIE 
OF SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS.
HE WAS SHOT BY POLICE.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE CLOTHING 
HE WAS WEARING, THE RCMP UNIFORM
WAS IN FACT AN AUTHENTIC RCMP 
UNIFORM.
THAT IS INFORMATION AGAIN LEASED
BY RCMP -- RELEASED BY RCMP 
TODAY.
A COUPLE MORE UPDATES FROM THE 
SCENE TODAY.
WE KNOW THAT THE RCMP HAD ASKED 
TRANSPORT CANADA TO LIMIT AND 
REDUCE AND RESTRICT THE AIRSPACE
ABOVE THE SCENES.
LIKE THE SCENE BEHIND ME AS THEY
ARE RESTRICTING THE AIRSPACE TO 
PLANES, TO PEOPLE FLYING DRONES 
AS WELL.
THAT IS OVER ANY OF THE AFFECTED
AREAS BY THIS INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DESCRIBING 
IT.
SO WE KNOW THAT -- WE UNDERSTAND
THAT TO BE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLY 
16 OTHER SITES SPREAD ACROSS THE
PROVINCE.
OVERALL, WE'RE HEARING MORE 
DETAILS.
WE'RE HEARING THIS INCREASED 
DEATH TOLL, BUT THERE ARE STILL 
SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS 
CASE STILL LEFT UNANSWERED.
WHAT KINDS OF WEAPONS WERE USED?
WHAT THE MOTIVE WAS FOR THE 
SHOOTER?
SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WE MAY 
NEVER KNOW THE ANSWERS TO.
WE ARE EXPECTING MORE DETAILS TO
BE RELEASED FROM RCMP AT A LATER
DATE AT OTHER NEWS CONFERENCES 
THAT ARE SCHEDULED AT A LATER 
DATE.
FOR NOW THOUGH, THE MAIN 
TAKEAWAY IS THE INCREASED DEATH 
TOLL NOW STANDING AT 22 VICTIMS 
OF THIS GUNMAN HERE IN NOVA 
SCOTIA.
BRETT RUSKIN, CBC NEWS, 
PORTAPIQUE, NOVA SCOTIA.
>> Carole: DURING TIMES OF LOSS,
IT'S COMMON FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER
TOGETHER IN KITCHENS AND LIVING 
ROOMS TO SHARE MEMOSRIES OF THE 
PERSON WHO DIED, BUT AFTER THIS 
KILLING, THAT TYPE OF GRIEVING 
CAN'T HAPPEN.
HANNAH THIBEDEAU JOINS ME NOW ON
HOW THEY'RE COPING.
>> Hannah: YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S 
LIKE WHEN THESE TYPES OF THINGS 
HAPPEN.
YOU JUST WANT TO GET OVER THERE.
I HEARD YOU SAY, BRING A 
CASSEROLE, HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE 
AND TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHOSE 
LIVES HAVE BEEN TAKEN OR LOST, 
SO YOU CAN REFLECT ON THOSE 
MEMORIES.
IT MAKES IT A BIT EASIER.
BUT THIS IS THE TIME OF COVID 
WHERE THE PANDEMIC IS PUTTING A 
LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON PEOPLE.
SO THEY'RE FINDING THEIR OWN 
WAYS TO PAY TRIBUTE.
THERE IS A LOT OF MAKESHIFT 
MEMORIALS THAT ARE POPPING UP.
IN FACT, THIS IS -- I WANT TO 
SHOW YOU ONE MEMORIAL.
THIS IS CARL.
HE IS GREG BLAIR'S UNCLE.
HE LEFT FLOWERS AT THIS MEMORIAL
HERE BECAUSE IT'S JUST OUTSIDE 
OF WHERE THEY'RE FROM.
AND REMEMBER GREG AND HIS WIFE, 
JAMIE, WERE KILLED DURING THIS 
SHOOTING.
SO HE REALLY APPRECIATES THIS 
TYPE OF OUTPOURING OF LOVE.
TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAD TO 
SAY.
>> IT'S NICE THING TO DO.
IT SHOWS SUPPORT FROM THE 
COMMUNITY.
GREG WAS THE MOST KINDEST PERSON
YOU COULD EVER MEET.
HE'D GIVE THE SHIRT RIGHT OFF 
HIS BACK FOR ANYBODY.
>> Hannah: AND HE COULDN'T TALK 
FURTHER BECAUSE HE WAS SO BROKEN
UP ABOUT LOSING HIS NEPHEW.
NOW DYLAN SUTHERLAND AND ANDREA 
McMcLELLAN BOTH KNEW KRISTEN 
BEATON.
SHE THOUGHT THE SHOOTING WAS 
OVER AND SHE WENT TO WORK.
THEY KNEW HER -- DYLAN SINCE SHE
WAS FOUR AND ANDREA WORKED WITH 
KRISTEN.
HERE'S WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.
>> YOU KNOW, I'M CLOSE FRIENDS 
WITH HER HUSBAND NICK.
AND, YEAH.
AMAZING MOTHER, AMAZING PERSON 
ALL AROUND.
>> DOWN TO EARTH, LOVING, 
CARING, YOU CAN'T SAY A BAD WORD
ABOUT HER.
SHE'S MADE UP OF ONLY GOOD 
THINGS.
I KNOW, EVERYBODY THAT KNOWS HER
LOVES HER.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'LL GET 
THROUGH, BUT WE WILL.
AS A COMMUNITY.
>> THE WHOLE SOCIAL DISTANCING 
MAKES IT HARD AND YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT, YOU KNOW -- IT'S HARD TO 
COMFORT PEOPLE WHEN YOU CAN'T BE
BESIDE THEM, SO DEFINITELY 
DIFFICULT.
>> Hannah: DEFINITELY DIFFICULT.
YOU CAN SEE THESE MAKESHIFT 
MEMORIALS POPPING UP ALL AROUND 
THE AREA.
AND KIDS ARE ALSO FINDING THIS 
DIFFICULT, CAROLE.
IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE THERE WAS
AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLTEACHER, 
LISA McCULLY, SHE WAS ALSO 
KILLED DURING THE SHOOTING.
YOU CAN SEE HER SCHOOL THERE.
SHE WAS A MOTHER, DAUGHTER, 
SISTER, FRIEND.
AND OF COURSE A TEACHER.
AND LOOK AT ALL THOSE NOTES FROM
THE KIDS AND THE SCHOOL, FROM 
PARENTS.
OUR COLLEAGUES IN NOVA SCOTIA 
HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH SOME 
OF THE PARENTS AND THE KIDS WHO 
CAME TO PAY TRIBUTE.
TAKE A LISTEN.
>> HE REMEMBERS ALL THE GREAT 
WAYS SHE TAUGHT THEM AND THE 
CHARACTER THAT SHE BROUGHT, SO I
THINK HE'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER HER 
AS THE BEST TEACHER HE EVER HAD.
>> SHE IS A GREAT MATH TEACHER.
SHE REALLY TAUGHT US A LOT.
SHE TEACHES US A LOT OF WRITING.
NARRATIVE WRITING WAS KIND OF A 
HARD KIND OF WRITING TO DO AND 
WE DID IT IN SCHOOL AND IT WAS 
VERY FUN.
>> Hannah: YOU KNOW WHAT IS 
HEART-WRENCHING ABOUT THAT YOUNG
BOY, HE IS STILL TALKING IN THE 
PRESENT TENSE.
AND PROBABLY FOR A YOUNG FELLOW 
LIKE HIM, IT'S HARD TO 
UNDERSTAND THAT HIS TEACHER IS 
GONE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR KIDS, 
TOO, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IN 
THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK THAT'S WHY HIS DAD WAS 
BRINGING HIM THERE, TO EXPLAIN 
WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
AND OF COURSE LOOK, ALL THESE 
MAKESHIFT MEMORIALS POPPING UP 
AS PEOPLE FIND WAYS TO EXPRESS 
THEIR GRIEF.
WE HEARD FROM THE PREMIER AND 
THE PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICER TODAY,
THAT THESE PEOPLE, THEY'LL BE 
ABLE TO HOLD FUNERALS, BUT THERE
ARE RESTRICTIONS ON THE FAMILIES
AND IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN FIVE 
PEOPLE.
SO THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS
THAT ARE POPPING UP AROUND THE 
AREA.
>> Carole: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
HORRIFIC EVENT THAT NONE OF US 
COULD HAVE IMAGINED.
>> THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION 
IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
>> IT'S THE BOND OF THE 
COMMUNITY.
>> I WANTED TO HEAR THEIR 
VOICES, ALL OF THE THREE OF 
THEM, I MISS THEM SO MUCH.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> Carole: GOOD EVENING, 
EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO OUR ONGOING SPECIAL 
COVERAGE OF THE TRAGEDY IN NOVA 
SCOTIA.
I'M CAROLE MacNEIL.
TODAY THE RCMP TOLD US THEY 
DISCOVERED EVEN MORE VICTIMS 
STEMMING FROM THE 12-HOUR 
MASSACRE ON THE WEEKEND.
22 IN ALL.
IN THE SECOND HOUR OF THE 
PROGRAMME, WE CONTINUE TO FOCUS 
ON THE STORIES OF THE PEOPLE 
WHOSE LIVES WERE TAKEN AND THE 
IMPACT ON THEIR FRIENDS, FAMILY 
AND COMMUNITIES.
WITH THAT IN MIND, LET'S GO LIVE
TO THE RCMP DETACHMENT IN 
BURNSIDE, NOVA SCOTIA.
BURNSIDE IS IN DARTMOUTH AND THE
CBC'S COLLEEN JONES IS THERE.
>> Reporter: HI.
I'M STANDING IN FRONT OF THE 
MEMORIAL.
IT'S A WALL IN FRONT OF THE RCMP
HEADQUARTERS IN BURNSIDE OF 
FLOWERS, OF NOTES.
WE SAW A WOMAN BRING TWO CUTOUT 
HEARTS OF NOVA SCOTIA TARTAN.
IT'S ALL MOVING, THESE TRIBUTES.
THEY AREN'T JUST HERE, BUT 
SPREAD OUT OVER SEVERAL 
DIFFERENT RCMP DETACHMENTS WHERE
PEOPLE ARE JUST WANTING TO HAVE 
THEIR MOMENT AND SHARE THEIR 
LOVE WITH NOT JUST THE FALLEN 
RCMP OFFICER HEIDI STEVENSON, 
BUT ALSO WITH THE OTHER VICTIMS.
AND TO SAY THAT SORT OF TOGETHER
WE'RE STANDING UNITED, THAT WE 
CARE, THAT WE'RE SENDING LOVE, 
BECAUSE, OF COURSE, IN THESE 
COVID-19 TIMES, THERE ISN'T THE 
SAME WAY TO GRIEVE.
NOW EARLIER TODAY PREMIER 
STEPHEN McNEIL DID RELAX THE 
RULES A LITTLE BIT ON THE 
FUNERALS SET FOR THESE VICTIMS 
SAYING THERE CAN BE GATHERINGS 
STILL OF FIVE PEOPLE, BUT THERE 
CAN STILL BE A TRADITIONAL 
FUNERAL.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A SMALL 
FUNERAL IN NOVA SCOTIA, SO 
PEOPLE STILL MIGHT WANT TO WAIT.
BUT THESE TRIBUTES CONTINUED 
EVEN THROUGH THE LAST HOUR AND A
HALF THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE.
WE WERE HERE EARLY THIS MORNING.
PEOPLE JUST CONTINUALLY BRINGING
FLOWERS AND TAKING A MOMENT TO 
PAUSE, MAYBE SAY A PRAYER OR A 
BLESSING.
AND THEN THEY TAKE A PICTURE AND
THEN THEY RETURN HOME.
ONE WAY OF CERTAINLY SHOWING 
GRIEF.
>> Carole: 22 PEOPLE IDENTIFIED 
AS VICTIMS SO FAR.
AND TODAY WE HAVE MORE OF THE 
STORIES OF THEIR LIVES.
>> Reporter: I KNOW.
YOU AND HANNAH WERE JUST TALKING
ABOUT THE ELEMENTARY 
SCHOOLTEACHER FROM DEBERT, LISA 
McCULLY.
I'M NOT SURE IF PEOPLE HEARD THE
INTERVIEW WITH HER SISTER, JENNY
KIERSTEAD, WITH MATT GALWAY ON 
THE CURRENT.
IT WAS ONE OF THOSE INTERVIEWS 
YOU PULL ASIDE IN OUR CAR AND 
LISTEN TO IT.
SHE WAS SO LOVING IN HER TRIBUTE
TO HER SISTER.
SHE WANTS TO REMEMBER THE LIGHT 
THAT HER SISTER, THIS WONDERFUL 
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THE TINY 
COMMUNITY OF DEBERT, WHO MEANT 
SO MUCH TO HER STUDENTS AND THE 
COMMUNITY.
AND THOSE KIND OF STORIES ARE 
DEFINITELY EMERGING.
TWO V.O.N. CAREGIVERS, NURSES 
WERE VICTIMS IN THIS.
I KNOW LAST NIGHT WHEN YOU WERE 
TALKING TO PRESTON MULLIGAN, HE 
WAS TALKING ABOUT TOM BAGLEY, 
THE RETIREE WHO WAS A VOLUNTEER 
FIRE DEPARTMENT AND HIS BRAVERY.
HE RAN TOWARDS THE BURNING 
NEIGHBOUR'S HOUSE.
THOSE ARE THE KIND OF STORIES 
THAT ARE EMERGING.
BUT WHY I CAME HERE TONIGHT WAS 
FOR THE FALLEN RCMP CONSTABLE 
HEIDI STEVENSON.
23-YEAR VETERAN IN THE FORCE.
AND HERE AND ALSO DOWN THE WAY 
IN COLE HARBOUR AND THEN AT HER 
LAST DETACHMENT IN ENFIELD.
BUT SHE USED TO SERVE IN COLE 
HARBOUR AND SHE LIVED HERE AS 
WELL.
SHE LEAVES BEHIND HER HUSBAND 
DEAN.
HE'S A SCHOOLTEACHER AT COLE 
HARBOUR HIGH SCHOOL.
COLE HARBOUR WELL KNOWN TO SO 
MANY CANADIANS AS THE HOME OF 
SIDNEY CROSBY.
EVEN SIDNEY CROSBY AND HIS 
FOUNDATION TWEETED OUT A 
RESPONSE TODAY AND CONDOLENCE TO
CERTAINLY ANOTHER LEGEND OF COLE
HARBOUR AND THAT IS HEIDI 
STEVENSON.
AND I WAS TALKING TO THE 
SERGEANT AT THE COLE HARBOUR 
DETACHMENT EARLIER TODAY.
HE TALKED ABOUT THE JOY.
THE WHOLE DETACHMENT IN COLE 
HARBOUR SHE BROUGHT, BECAUSE HE 
WAS SAYING WITHIN THE RCMP 
EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY.
AND YET THEY HAVE TO SOLDIER ON 
AND CONTINUE AND WORK IN THESE 
DIFFICULT TIMES AND GRIEVE THE 
LOSS OF ONE OF THEIR OWN.
BUT HE TOLD ME THE THING ABOUT 
HEIDI WAS SHE HAD SUCH A JOY OF 
LIFE, A BIGGER THAN LIFE TT 
PRESENCE BECAUSE SHE HAS THAT 
BIG SMILE THAT IS PRETTY FAMOUS 
AND A HUGE LAUGH.
AND ON COLE HARBOUR ROAD, JUST 
UP THE WAY FROM THE DETACHMENT, 
SOMEBODY HAS PUT A MASSIVE, OH, 
FIVE-FOOT BY FOUR-FOOT BILLBOARD
OF HER AND BEHIND THEY PHOTO 
SHOPPED IN ANGEL WINGS.
ACROSS THE WAY, THERE IS A 
CHURCH.
THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR SIGNAGE TO
SAY THAT THEIR THOUGHTS AND 
PRAYERS ARE WITH THE RCMP 
OFFICERS ACROSS THE PROVINCE 
RIGHT NOW AND ALSO WITH THE 
STEVENSON FAMILY WHO LIVE IN 
COLE HARBOUR AND THEIR TWO 
CHILDREN AS WELL.
SO PEOPLE ARE CONTINUING TO 
GRIEVE AND SHOW THEIR LOVE AND 
SUPPORT FOR ALL OF THE VICTIMS, 
INCLUDING THE RCMP CONSTABLE 
HEIDI STEVENSON, IN A VARIETY OF
DIFFERENT WAYS, WHETHER IT'S 
SIGNS IN WINDOWS, CHALK ON 
DRIVEWAYS ALL OVER, AND JUST A 
WHOLE LOT OF FLOWERS, NOT JUST 
AT THIS DETACHMENT, BUT ACROSS 
THE PROVINCE.
CAROLE?
>> Carole: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THE CBC'S COLLEEN JONES IN 
DARTMOUTH, NOVA SCOTIA TONIGHT.
MY NEXT GUEST CONSIDERED 
CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON A 
MENTOR AND WAS HER INSPIRATION 
TO BECOME AN RCMP OFFICER.
CONSTABLE SARAH BATH IS AN RCMP 
OFFICER IN WHITBOURNE, 
NEWFOUNDLAND, AND JOINS ME LIVE 
FROM BAY ROBERTS.
CONSTABLE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING
US.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> Carole: HOW ARE YOU?
>> UM -- NOT GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT.
>> Carole: I CAN ONLY IMAGINE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR FRIEND, 
YOUR MENTOR HEIDI.
HOW DID YOU FIRST MEET HER?
>> I MET HEIDI IN 2011.
I WAS A UNIVERSITY STUDENT AT 
THE TIME.
AND I WAS MOVING OUT WITH MY 
BOYFRIEND AND ANOTHER COUPLE.
AND WE HAD SELECTED A HOUSE IN 
DARTMOUTH THAT JUST SO HAPPENED 
TO BELONG TO HEIDI AND DEAN.
I DIDN'T KNOW HEIDI AT THE TIME.
AND I JUST REMEMBER THE DAY WE 
WERE THERE TO JUST SIGN THE 
LEASE AND GO OVER EVERYTHING.
AND I'LL NEVER FORGET -- AND 
IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF WHERE I
AM TODAY -- BUT JUST HER 
ENTRANCE INTO THE HOUSE.
AND FROM THAT POINT ON, SHE SOLD
ME ON A CAREER THAT -- I'M 
ALMOST SIX YEARS IN NOW, BUT 
THAT IS WHEN IT STARTED FOR ME.
AND I'LL NEVER FORGET JUST HOW 
SHE CUT THE CORNER.
I REMEMBER WE WERE STANDING IN 
THE KITCHEN OF THE HOUSE AROUND 
THE ISLAND AND SHE WALKED IN, 
CUT THE CORNER, AND THE SMILE 
WAS -- YOU KNOW, STRETCHING FROM
EAR TO EAR AND JUST HER 
PERSONALITY.
AND I LOOK BACK AND I DESCRIBED 
IT AS WHATEVER SHE WAS SELLING 
THAT DAY, I THINK I WOULD HAVE 
BOUGHT.
SO WHATEVER CAREER THAT DAY SHE 
WAS GOING TO SELL ME, BUT SHE 
SOLD THE RCMP.
AND JUST THE WAY SHE DID IT WITH
HER PERSONALITY AND HOW HIGHLY 
SHE TALKED ABOUT IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE
CONVERSATION WENT THERE.
IT PROBABLY -- SHE CAME IN, IN 
UNIFORM ACTUALLY AND THAT 
SPARKED IT.
I REMEMBER BEING TAKEN BACK BY 
IT AND JUST THIS HAPPY, HAPPY 
HUMAN.
AND THAT WAS THE START OF IT.
>> Carole: SHE COMES IN, IN 
UNIFORM AND YOU'RE STRUCK BY HER
PERSONALITY RIGHT AWAY.
HAD YOU -- AND THEN HERE YOU ARE
AN RCMP OFFICER.
AT THAT POINT DID YOU HAVE ANY 
PLANS TO BE AN RCMP OFFICER?
>> NO [LAUGHTER].
NEVER.
NEVER EVER.
NOT AT ANY POINT IN MY LIFE.
PRIOR TO I WAS PROBABLY 21 AT 
THE TIME AND IT WAS NEVER A 
CHILDHOOD DREAM, NEVER SOMETHING
YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IN THE 
YEARBOOK.
FIRST I WANTED TO GO INTO 
MEDICINE.
AT THE TIME HEIDI SHOWED UP, I 
WAS SWITCHING UNIVERSITIES, 
SWITCHING MAJORS.
PROBABLY LOST NOT KNOWING WHAT 
WAS FOR ME.
MAYBE IT WAS JUST THE RIGHT TIME
FOR HER TO SHOW UP WHEN SHE DID.
>> Carole: HOW DID SHE CONVINCE 
YOU TO BE AN RCMP OFFICER?
>> IT WASN'T LIKE SHE CAME IN 
AND TARGETED ME, WE'RE 
RECRUITING YOU WANT TO SIGN UP?
I WAS JUST STRUCK BY HOW HAPPY 
SHE WAS.
I REMEMBER BEING AT A POINT 
WHERE I WAS DOING AT THE TIME 
AND SHE WALKED IN AND WAS SO 
HAPPY.
THE WAY SHE TALKED ABOUT IT AND 
SHE WANTED TO GET TO KNOW US.
AND YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT 
WHAT WE WERE DOING AND I TALKED 
ABOUT THE SCIENCE DEGREE.
SHE TALKED ABOUT HAVING ONE 
HERSELF.
I JUST REMEMBER I DIDN'T KNOW 
ANYTHING ABOUT THE RCMP OTHER 
THAN OBVIOUSLY BEING A POLICE 
FORCE.
AND I ASKED HER, DID YOU NEED 
THAT TO BECOME A MEMBER?
SHE SAID NO.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW THE 
CONVERSATION WENT, BUT I GUESS I
MUST HAVE ALLUDED TO THE EFFECT 
THAT WHAT ABOUT THAT DEGREE NOW?
ARE YOU USING IT?
>> Carole: SHE HAD HER MASTERS 
OR Ph.D.?
>> I FEEL IT WAS A MASTERS.
I KNOW SHE DID CHEMISTRY AND 
BIOLOGY.
WE CONNECTED ON THAT LEVEL.
>> Carole: WHAT DID SHE DO FOR 
YOU THAT YOU ENDED UP BEING A 
POLICE OFFICER?
>> SHE TOOK ME COUNTLESS TIMES 
ON RIDE ALONGS.
I STEWED OVER HER AND THE RCMP 
FOR A WHILE AND THEN I FINALLY 
DECIDED TO WRITE THE EXAM.
I REMEMBER LAST NIGHT I WENT 
THROUGH E-MAILS FROM 2011 ONWARD
BETWEEN MYSELF AND HEIDI.
I WROTE HER AND SAID I WROTE MY 
EXAM.
SHE SAID LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU 
GET YOUR MARK BACK AND WE'LL GO 
ON RIDE ALONGS.
IT WENT FROM THERE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES 
I SAT IN THE PASSENGER SEAT, 
STILL NOT KNOWING IF IT WAS MORE
ME, BUT I HAD ALREADY STARTED 
AND GOING WITH IT ANYWAY.
JUST SPENDING DAYS WITH HER AND 
HER TALKING ABOUT HER CAREER.
SHE TALKED ABOUT HER FAMILY.
DIFFERENT THINGS SHE WOULD DO ON
THE JOB, I WAS LIMITED, I 
COULDN'T BE EXPOSED TO MOST OF 
WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO, BUT I 
CONTINUED ON AND GOT IN AND WAS 
GIVEN A DATE TO GO TO TRAINING.
AND FROM THE TIME I WENT TO 
TRAINING TO THE TIME I WAS 
PACKING UP MY VEHICLE TO COME TO
NEWFOUNDLAND, SHE WAS THERE 
CHECKING IN, ASKING HOW I WAS 
DOING.
THERE TO SUPPORT ME IN THE TIMES
THAT I WANTED TO PACK UP AND GO 
HOME.
AND IT WAS JUST ALL SO POSITIVE.
AND YOU KNOW, EVEN OVER THE LAST
SIX YEARS ALMOST NOW THAT I'VE 
BEEN HERE, I HAVEN'T SEEN HER IN
A LONG TIME, BUT EVEN UP TO A 
COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, THE 
MESSAGES TO CHECK IN, HOW ARE 
YOU DOING.
>>  AND TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT 
CAREER THINGS.
WE NEVER LOST TOUCH.
>> Carole: BEFORE I LET YOU GO, 
I MEAN, WHAT MESSAGE, IF YOU 
COULD SAY SOMETHING TO HER NOW, 
WHAT WOULD IT BE?
>> UM.
I THINK AS SIMPLE AS SAYING -- 
AND I DID -- I ACTUALLY SENT AN 
E-MAIL LAST NIGHT AND I THANKED 
HER THE NIGHT BEFORE I WENT TO 
DEPOT FOR EVERYTHING THAT SHE 
HAD DONE.
AND I JUST WISH I PROBABLY COULD
HAVE TOLD HER AND MAYBE IT TOOK 
THIS AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE 
IRONIC PART OF LIFE, THAT 
SOMETIMES YOU REFLECT IN TIMES 
LIKE THESE AND PROBABLY JUST 
KICKING MYSELF THAT I NEVER 
ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIME TO SAY, 
YOU KNOW, OR PROBABLY NEVER 
FULLY REALIZED MYSELF THAT I 
WOULD BE HERE, YOU KNOW.
I KNOW I WOULDN'T BE HERE.
I WOULDN'T BE IN THIS CAREER.
I WOULDN'T BE HERE IN LIFE IF IT
WASN'T FOR THAT MOMENT IN TIME 
NINE YEARS AGO.
AND YOU KNOW, SHE DEFINITELY SET
ME ON A GOOD PATH.
AND I'VE SPENT THE LAST 48 HOURS
OR MORE JUST GOING FROM THAT 
POINT A RIGHT TO WHERE I AM.
AND I JUST OWE HER SO MUCH.
AND I WISH THAT I COULD TELL HER
THAT NOW, BECAUSE I FEEL THOSE 
PEOPLE IN LIFE ARE SO IMPORTANT.
AND I'M SURE WE ALL HAVE THEM.
AND WE ALL HAVE MORE THAN ONE.
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE 
THAT HAVE CROSSED MY PATH 
BEFORE.
JUST GOT ME ON A DIFFERENT PATH 
OF LIFE, THAT 21 YEARS OF MY 
LIFE I DIDN'T PLAN TO BE.
SHE WALKED IN A ROOM AND JUST 
DID THAT.
AND I'M JUST SO THANKFUL AND SO 
THANKFUL FOR JOINING THE RCMP.
AND SHE WAS RIGHT ABOUT 
EVERYTHING THAT SHE SAID.
HOW WONDERFUL A CAREER IT IS.
AND HOW IT IS A FAMILY.
AND I REALIZE NOW MORE THAN EVER
HOW SUPPORTIVE OF A FAMILY THE 
RCMP IS.
AND I'M JUST VERY THANKFUL FOR 
HER.
>> Carole: CONSTABLE SARAH BASS,
RCMP OFFICER WHO CONSIDERED 
CONSTABLE HEIDI STEVENSON A 
MENTOR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING 
HEIDI'S STORY AND YOUR STORY 
TOGETHER WITH US TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU.
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>> Carole: YOU'RE WATCHING CBC 
NEWS NETWORK.
I'M CAROLE MacNEIL.
TONIGHT WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE 
COMMUNITIES IN NOVA SCOTIA WHO 
LOST LOVED ONES AND THE STORIES 
OF THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES.
MY NEXT GUEST KNOWS ABOUT 
GRIEVING, HAVING BEEN A MEMBER 
OF THE CLERGY.
TODAY, HE IS AN MEMORIAL.
HE GREW UP WITH THE MOTHER OF 
LISA McCULLY, AN ELEMENTARY 
SCHOOLTEACHER WHO WAS SHOT AND 
KILLED IN THIS TRAGEDY.
LARRY, WELCOME TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Carole: WHAT ARE YOU HEARING 
FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT
HOW THEY'RE COPING WITH ALL OF 
THIS?
>> WELL, I THINK THE COMMUNITY 
REALLY IS SO IN A STATE OF 
SHOCK.
I'M A CITY GUY.
I LOVE THE AMENITIES OF THE 
CITY, BUT I CHOOSE TO LIVE IN 
THE RURAL AREA BECAUSE OF JUST 
THE FREEDOM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE 
IN NATURE.
I LIKE THE SAFETY FACTOR.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE KNOW
EACH OTHER IN COMMUNITY AND YOU 
CAN ALWAYS RELY ON EACH OTHER.
ALL THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY 
FROM PEOPLE FOR THE TIME BEING.
THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS NOTHING 
THAT COULD TOUCH THEM LIKE THIS,
BUT IT DID.
AND NOW THEY'RE IN SHOCK, THEIR 
WHOLE WORLD HAS BEEN TURNED 
UPSIDE DOWN.
>> Carole: GO AHEAD.
>> PLEASE.
>> Carole: I WAS GOING TO SAY, 
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM 
PEOPLE?
WHAT ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS 
THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO YOU?
>> WELL, THEY REALLY -- THEY 
REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO TURN.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO 
SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS IN THE 
COMMUNITY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN SO 
BUSY DOING OTHER THINGS, BUT 
I'VE BEEN CHECKING IN WITH THE 
CAREGIVERS, THE GRIEF 
COUNSELLORS.
THEY'RE JUST STARTING TO HEAR 
FROM PEOPLE NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE 
JUST STARTING TO GET OUT OF THAT
SHOCK PERIOD.
AND ONCE THEY COME OUT OF THAT, 
THEN THE FEELINGS ARE REALLY 
GOING TO START TO POUR OUT.
AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOING TO 
NEED THOSE KINDS OF SUPPORTS, 
BUT TO THIS POINT IN TIME, NOT 
THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY 
REACHED OUT YET.
THEY WILL.
BUT AT THIS POINT, A LOT ARE 
STILL IN SHOCK.
>> Carole: I WAS TALKING WITH 
STAN KUTCHER, HE WAS SAYING THAT
THREE THINGS PEOPLE NEED, CLEAR 
INFORMATION, TRUST IN LEADERSHIP
AND THEY NEED TO BE REASSUREND  
AND BE TOGETHER.
THE THIRD PART IS COMPLICATED.
>> THAT'S THE COMPLICATED -- 
YOU'RE NIGHT.
BECAUSE IN A RURAL AREA, 
ESPECIALLY, YOU JUST WANT TO GO 
AND SEE PEOPLE.
YOU WANT TO GO IN THEIR HOME, 
GIVE THEM A HUG, HOLD THEIR 
HAND, TALK.
WHEN SERVICES COME UP, MEMORIAL 
SERVICES, YOU'RE DEALING WITH 
FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
THEY'RE GETTING TOGETHER AND 
THEY'RE REMINISCING AND TALKING.
ALL OF THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE 
RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE 
CREATIVE WAYS NOW IN WHICH 
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO 
EXPRESS GRIEF.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE 
CREATIVE HOW WE RESPOND TO THAT 
GRIEF IN THIS PARTICULAR 
SITUATION.
>> Carole: ANY IDEAS OF WHAT 
THAT CREATIVE OUTLET MIGHT LOOK 
LIKE?
>> I KNOW SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS
ARE ACTUALLY GOING ON AND DOING 
VIDEOS OF MUSIC, WHICH IS 
HELPFUL.
LAST NIGHT THEY LIT CANDLES IN 
THE COMMUNITY TO PUT IN THE 
WINDOWS.
I KNOW THEY HAVE BROKEN HEARTS 
POSTED ON SOME OF THE POLES.
THERE ARE THESE LITTLE THINGS 
THAT ARE -- ARE A LITTLE BIT 
HELPFUL IN THAT THEY'RE DOING 
SOMETHING, BUT THE REAL HARD, 
HARD GRIEF WORK IS GOING TO COME
IN THE NEXT LITTLE BIT.
>> Carole: WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
HOW DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT 
MANIFEST ITSELF?
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
>> IT'S GOING TO EXPRESS ITSELF 
IN GREAT SADNESS.
IT COULD BE ANGER.
IT COULD BE EXPRESSED IN A LOT 
OF WAYS.
WE, AS A COMMUNITY, ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY 
UNDERSTANDING, VERY PATIENT, AND
JUST BE THERE AND DO WHATEVER WE
CAN POSSIBLY DO.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS 
NOW.
BUT I KNOW I'M GOING TO DO 
WHATEVER IS ASKED OF ME IF IT IS
IN MY POWER TO DO IT.
AND I THINK A LOT OF OTHER 
PEOPLE ARE FEELING THE SAME WAY.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT 
LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT WILL TAKE SHAPE 
EVENTUALLY.
IT REALLY WILL.
>> Carole: WHAT IS THAT LIKE TO 
NOT KNOW?
BECAUSE USUALLY THERE IS A 
PATTERN TO THESE THINGS, BUT 
BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC IT'S 
MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO PREDICT.
WHAT IS THAT LIKE TO SIT WITH 
THAT KIND OF UNCERTAINTY?
>> NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT 
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, NUMBER 
ONE, SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED,
NOBODY EXPECTED IT TO BE 
HAPPENING.
AND WE GET CAUGHT WITH THAT 
TRAGEDY ON TOP OF THE PANDEMIC, 
SO IT JUST COMPLICATES 
EVERYTHING TWOFOLD.
WE'RE HUMAN BEINGS AND WE REALLY
NEED TO CONNECT AND GET TOGETHER
AND BE ABLE TO TOUCH ONE ANOTHER
AND TALK TO ONE ANOTHER 
FACE-TO-FACE.
AND ALL THAT'S BEEN LET GO 
BECAUSE OF THE COVID EXPERIENCE.
AND WE REALLY CAN'T BREAK THE 
RULES, BECAUSE IF WE DO, WE'RE 
GOING TO BE IN WORSE SHAPE IF 
THIS EVER GOES ANY FURTHER.
SO WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY 
CONSCIOUS OF HOW PEOPLE FEEL AND
TRY AND DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH 
THE TECHNOLOGY, WITH WHATEVER 
MEANS IS GOING TO BE AT OUR 
DISPOSAL TO KIND OF EASE THE 
GRIEF FOR THE TIME BEING.
>> Carole: I HATE TO BRING THIS 
UP, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FUNERALS.
I KNOW STEPHEN McNEIL, THE 
PREMIER, HAD TALKED ABOUT 
RELEASING SOME OF THE RULES 
AROUND THAT.
WHAT ARE THE RULES GOING TO BE 
FOR THAT PERIOD OF GRIEF?
>> I ACTUALLY TALKED TO A 
FUNERAL HOME YESTERDAY AND JUST 
TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE GOING
TO DO IF A FAMILY CAME IN AND 
WANTED TO DO SOMETHING AND NOT 
WAIT.
THEY'RE PREPARED TO DO 
SOMETHING, BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE 
FOR, FOR INSTANCE, FIVE PEOPLE.
THAT WOULD BE THE LIMIT.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE IMMEDIATE 
FAMILY THAT MIGHT BE PRESENT AT 
THAT MEMORIAL.
NOW IT CAN GO ON Facebook AND 
THAT KIND OF THING.
THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY FOR 
THAT, BUT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A 
PHYSICAL PRESENCE AT THE 
SERVICE, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 
FIVE PEOPLE.
>> Carole: ALL RIGHT.
LARRY HARRISON, MEMORIAL FOR
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> YOU KNOW WE GREW UP DOWN THE 
ROAD FROM EACH OTHER.
YEAH, SHE WAS JUST AN AMAZING 
PERSON.
JUST AMAZING.
AND YOU KNOW I'M CLOSE FRIENDS 
WITH HER HUSBAND NICK.
AND, YEAH, SHE'S AN AMAZING 
MOTHER, AMAZING PERSON ALL 
AROUND.
>> Carole: THAT WAS DILLON 
SUTHERLAND REMEMBERING HIS 
LONGTIME FRIEND KRISTIN BEATON, 
ONE OF THE VICTIMS IN THE 
MASSACRE.
BEATON WAS A CONTINUING CARE 
ASSISTANT, A YOUNG WIFE AND 
MOTHER.
SHE WORKED FOR THE VICTORIAN 
ORDER OF NURSES IN NOVA SCOTIA 
FOR NEARLY SIX YEARS.
SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 
SHOOTING REMAIN UNANSWERED, 
HOWEVER, POLICE ARE RELEASING 
MORE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY
HAPPENED AND TRAGICALLY ADDING 
MORE VICTIMS TO THE NUMBER OF 
PEOPLE KILLED.
FOR THE LATEST ON THE 
INVESTIGATION, LET'S TURN TO THE
CBC'S BRETT RUSKIN IN 
PORTAPIQUE, NOVA SCOTIA.
>> Reporter: WELL, THE MAJOR 
NEWS WE HAVE TONIGHT IS THAT 
THERE IS THIS UPDATE FROM RCMP 
SAYING THAT THE DEATH TOLL IS 
NOW 22 VICTIMS KILLED BY THIS 
SHOOTER.
THE SHOOTER HAS ALSO DIED AS 
WELL, BRINGING THE TOTAL 
FATALITY COUNT TO 23.
THE RCMP IS RELEASING SOME 
DETAILS.
THINGS ABOUT THE TIME LINE OF 
THIS SHOOTING.
THE FIRST CALL CAME IN AT THE 
COMMUNITY BEHIND ME DOWN THIS 
ROAD HERE, PAST THE POLICE 
VEHICLES, AROUND 10:30 P.M. ON 
SATURDAY NIGHT.
THAT'S WHEN POLICE ARRIVED ON 
THE SCENE OF A RESIDENCE WHERE 
THEY FOUND SEVERAL CASUALTIES 
INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE HOME AS 
WELL AND PROCEEDED TO EXPAND THE
MANHUNT FROM THAT POINT ON.
IT TOOK ABOUT 14 HOURS.
A LITTLE UNDER 14 HOURS FOR THE 
SEARCH TO WRAP UP A GREAT 
DISTANCE AWAY FROM HERE DOWN IN 
ENFIELD, NOVA SCOTIA.
A LARGE GAS STATION THERE, WHERE
POLICE ARE NOW CONFIRMING THEY 
SHOT THE VICTIM.
THEY SAY THEY TOOK HIM INTO 
CUSTODY AND HE LATER DIED.
WE KNOW HE DIED A SHORT TIME 
AFTER BEING SHOT, BUT POLICE DID
PUT OUT THE STATEMENT FIRST OF 
ALL SAYING HE HAD BEEN TAKEN 
INTO CUSTODY AND THEN HOURS, 
HOURS LATER SAID, YES, HE DID 
ALSO DIE.
WE NOW KNOW THAT HE DIDN'T DIE 
OF SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS, HE WAS
SHOT BY POLICE.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE CLOTHING 
HE WAS WEARING, THE RCMP UNIFORM
WAS IN FACT AN AUTHENTIC RCMP 
UNIFORM.
THAT IS INFORMATION AGAIN LEASED
BY RCMP TODAY.
A COUPLE MORE UPDATES FROM THE 
SCENE TODAY.
WE KNOW THAT RCMP HAD ASKED 
TRANSPORT CANADA TO LIMIT AND 
REDUCE AND RESTRICT THE AIRSPACE
ABOVE THE SCENES.
LIKE THE SCENE YOU SEE BEHIND 
ME, THEY ARE RESTRICTING THE 
AIRSPACE TO PLANES, TO PEOPLE 
FLYING DRONES AS WELL.
THAT IS OVER ANY OF THE AFFECTED
AREAS BY THIS INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DESCRIBING 
IT.
SO WE KNOW THAT -- WE UNDERSTAND
THAT TO BE THIS SITE AS WELL AS 
POSSIBLY UP TO 16 OTHER SITES 
SPREAD ALL ACROSS THIS PART OF 
THE PROVINCE.
OVERALL, WE ARE HEARING MORE 
DETAILS.
WE'RE HEARING THIS INCREASED 
DEATH TOLL, BUT THERE ARE STILL 
SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS 
CASE STILL LEFT UNANSWERED.
WHAT KIND OF WEAPONS WERE USED?
WHAT THE MOTIVE WAS FOR THIS 
SHOOTER?
AND SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WE 
MAY NEVER KNOW THE ANSWERS TO.
WE ARE EXPECTING MORE DETAILS TO
BE RELEASED FROM RCMP AT OTHER 
NEWS CONFERENCES SCHEDULED.
THE MAIN TAKEAWAY IS THE 
INCREASED DEATH TOLL STANDING AT
22 VICTIMS OF THE GUNMAN HERE IN
NOVA SCOTIA.
BRETT RUSKIN, CBC NEWS, 
PORTAPIQUE, NOVA SCOTIA.
>> Carole: NOVA SCOTIA'S PREMIER
HAD A DIFFICULT TASK TODAY 
OFFERING CONDOLENCES TO THOSE 
WHO LOST LOVED ONES WHILE STILL 
ASKING PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN 
COVID-19 MEASURES.
STEPHEN McNEIL ACKNOWLEDGED THE 
PANDEMIC WOULD MAKE THE GRIEVING
PROCESS MORE DIFFICULT.
AFTER HIS PRESS BRIEFING, HE AND
THE HEALTH OFFICER HELD A MOMENT
OF SILENCE.
>> WHEREVER YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, 
PLEASE JOIN ME WITH DR. STRANG 
AND OBSERVE ONE MOMENT OF 
SILENCE IN MEMORY OF THOSE THAT 
WE HAVE LOST.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> Carole: WE'VE SPENT THE 
BETTER PART OF THIS PROGRAMME 
HEARING FROM THOSE WHO ARE CLOSE
TO THOSE WHO DIED IN THAT 
HORRIBLE ATTACK THIS PAST 
WEEKEND IN NOVA SCOTIA.
FRIENDS, SIBLINGS, PARTNERS, 
COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
EVERY ONE OF THEM REFLECTING ON 
THE SUDDEN VOID IN THEIR LIVES.
HELPING TO TELL SOME OF THOSE 
STORIES IS OUR SUSANA DA SILVA.
WE KNOW THAT TWO NURSES WERE 
KILLED IN THE TRAGEDY AND NOW 
WE'RE HEARING FROM THE HUSBAND 
OF ONE OF THEM.
HOW IS HE COPING RIGHT NOW?
>> Reporter: WELL, IT'S HARD TO 
IMAGINE.
AND REALLY LISTENING TO HIM 
SPEAK CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS 
GUT-WRENCHING.
THE HUSBAND OF KRISTEN BEATON, 
SHE WAS PREGNANT AT THE TIME SHE
WAS KILLED, DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE
TO TELL HER FRIENDS AND FAMILY 
THE GOOD NEWS.
SHE WAS A NURSE AND WAS ON HER 
WAY TO SEE A CLIENT THAT THE 
PAIR HAD SEEN, SOMETHING WAS 
GOING ON THE NIGHT BEFORE IN 
PORTAPIQUE, BUT HAD NO IDEA 
THERE WAS DANGER OUT THERE.
HAD HE KNOWN, HE WOULD NEVER 
HAVE LET HER LEAVE THE HOUSE.
AFTER SHE LEFT, HE SAW SOMETHING
ON Facebook SAYING SOMETHING WAS
GOING ON, SOMEONE WAS STILL OUT 
THERE.
HE CALLED HER, SAID, DON'T STOP,
IF YOU SEE ANYBODY TRYING TO 
FLAG YOU OVER, GO AROUND.
IT WAS SHORTLY THEREAFTER HE 
BELIEVES SHE ENCOUNTERED THE 
KILLER AND WAS KILLED.
SHE WAS A NURSE AND HE WANTS 
PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THE 
STRUGGLES THEY'VE BEEN FACING IN
LIGHT OF COVID-19, P.P.E.
AND HE WANTS PEOPLE TO KNOW SHE 
WAS A WONDERFUL MOTHER.
>> EVERY MORNING, EVERY NIGHT, 
SHE CRIED SCARED TO DEATH TO 
BRING COVID HOME TO HER SON.
THERE IS A COVID PAY, YOU GO OFF
ON STRESS AND GET THE COVID PAY.
THAT WASN'T KRISTEN.
HER CLIENTS MEAN THE WORLD TO 
HER AND MEANT THE WORLD TO HER.
KRISTEN, WHEN SHE WAS WORKING, 
SHE PUT 110% INTO HER CLIENTS.
SHE WAS AN AMAZING MOM TO 
ASHTON.
SHE LOVES THAT BOY MORE THAN 
I'VE SEEN ANYTHING.
SHE LOVES THAT BOY.
IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY HE'S NOT 
GOING TO HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
>> Reporter: HEARTBREAKING TO 
LISTEN TO HIM.
HE HAS HIS SON NOW TO FOCUS ON 
AS THEY TRY TO MOVE FORWARD FROM
THIS.
SHE WAS NOT THE ONLY NURSE LOST 
IN THE INCIDENT.
HEATHER O'BRIEN WAS ALSO KILLED.
SHE WORKED FOR NEARLY 17 YEARS 
AS A LICENSED PRACTICAL NURSE.
WAS ALSO A WIFE, MOTHER, 
GRANDMOTHER.
THE VICTORIAN ORDER OF NURSES 
SPOKE ABOUT THE FACT THAT ALL 
FRONT-LINE WORKERS ARE HEROES 
AND NOVA SCOTIA LOST TWO OF 
THEM.
>> Carole: CBC HAS SPOKEN WITH 
THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF 
OTHERS.
>> WE HAVE, WE SPOKE WITH THE 
FAMILY FRIENDS OF ALANNA JENKINS
AND SEAN McLEOD.
THE COUPLE WERE WELCOMING PEOPLE
INTO THEIR HOME OF THE KIND OF 
PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE DONE 
ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY AND NEVER 
THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT IT.
AND THAT THEY JUST LOVED HELPING
PEOPLE.
WE HEARD FROM JENKINS' BROTHER 
WHO SAID THEY WERE THE BEST.
ALANNA WAS MY BIG SISTER AND 
BEST FRIEND.
I COULDN'T HAVE PICKED A BETTER 
PARTNER FOR HER THAN SEAN.
THESE TWO WILL BE MISSED BY ALL 
OF US.
WE LOVE YOU GUYS ALWAYS AND 
FOREVER.
WE SPOKE WITH THE UNCLE OF GREG 
BLAIR.
HE WAS KILLED WITH HIS WIFE 
JAMIE.
LIKE SO MANY TRYING TO COME TO 
GRIPS, DESCRIBING THE PAIR AS 
LOVING, OUTGOING.
AGAIN, PEOPLE WHO WOULD GIVE 
THEIR SHIRTS OFF THEIR BACKS TO 
ANYONE.
REMEMBERING JAMIE AS AN 
ENTHUSIASTIC AND SUPPORTIVE 
HOCKEY MOM WHO WAS ALWAYS OUT 
THERE HELPING THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE HEARD MORE ABOUT LILLIAN 
HYSLOP.
HE WAS JUST OUT FOR A WALK AT 
THE TIME.
WE SPOKE WITH A NEIGHBOUR WHO 
WAS OUT WITH HER HUSBAND.
BELIEVED SHE HEARD A SHOT.
THE DAY BEFORE THEY'D GONE OUT 
FOR THEIR REGULAR WALK AND THEY 
COMMENTED IT WAS NICE, HOW QUIET
IT WAS ON THE ROAD, BECAUSE OF 
COVID-19 THERE WAS SO LITTLE 
TRAFFIC AND THEY WERE ENJOYING 
THEIR WALKS.
THEY HAPPENED TO TAKE A 
DIFFERENT ROUTE.
IT WAS ONLY LATER AFTER THEY 
RETURNED HOME THEY LEARNED THE 
NEWS.
SHE WAS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE 
COMMUNITY.
LILLIAN HYSLOP WAS ALWAYS 
VOLUNTEERING FOR ANY EVENTS.
A QUIET LADY, NICE LADY.
MEMORIES BEING SHARED ABOUT ALL 
OF THE LIVES THEY'VE TOUCHED AND
MANY OF THEM OUT DOING THEIR 
REGULAR ACTIVITY, GOING FOR A 
WALK, ERRAND, HAVING NO IDEA 
WHAT WAS GOING TO ENCOUNTER 
THEM.
ALL THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS 
FOCUSSING ON THE GOOD THINGS, 
BUT MANY ASKING QUESTIONS, WHAT 
HAPPENED?
HOW DID IT HAPPEN?
WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT 
COULD HAVE BEEN DONE?
ALERTS?
THAT COULD HAVE SAVED THEIR 
LIVES?
CAROLE?
>> Carole: THANK YOU.
SO PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DEAL 
WITH THE GRIEF OVER WHAT 
HAPPENED.
THE PHYSICAL DISTANCING RULES 
MEAN GATHERING TOGETHER IS NOT 
AN OPTION.
AS TOM MURPHY REPORTS, PEOPLE 
ARE FINDING OTHER WAYS TO 
EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THE 
VICTIMS -- FOR THE FAMILIES OF 
THE VICTIMS.
>> Reporter: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO 
SOMEONE WHOSE LOST SO MUCH?
HOW DO YOU SAY IT?
A CANDLELIGHT VIGIL ON THE 
STREETS OF HALIFAX HELPS.
>> IT'S SOMETHING YOU JUST HAVE 
TO DO.
YEAH, IT'S HUMAN NATURE TO FEEL 
GRIEF FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: BUT AFTER THE 
CANDLE BURNS OUT, IN THE DAYS TO
COME, WHAT THEN?
QUENTREL PROVO STARTED STOP THE 
VIOLENCE, SHOW THE LOVE A FEW 
YEARS AGO TO STEM GUN VIOLENCE 
IN HALIFAX.
>> WE HAVE CONSTABLE HEIDI 
STEVENSON, LISA McCULLY -- 
>> Reporter: LAST NIGHT 
THOUSANDS JOINED HIM FOR AN 
ONLINE VIGIL.
HE SAID A PLEDGE TO STAY BY THE 
SIDE OF THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES 
CAN GO A LONG WAY.
>> YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BE 
THERE WHEN YOU KNOW THE FUNERALS
ARE OVER, WHEN, YOU KNOW, THIS 
IS IN THE BACK THOUGHT OF MOST 
PEOPLE'S MINDS.
YOU STILL HAVE TO BE THERE FOR 
THEM.
>> Reporter: AND WHERE LAST 
WEEKEND'S RAMPAGE BEGAN, WHERE A
MEMORIAL TO SOME OF THE DEAD 
GROWS, THEY VOW TO DO JUST THAT.
>> I JUST WANT THEM TO KNOW 
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE 
THINKING ABOUT THEM.
>> Reporter: THE SIGNS OF 
COMMUNITY SUPPORT ARE EVERYWHERE
HERE.
>> IT'S THE BOND OF COMMUNITY TO
KNOW THAT YOU'RE PART OF A 
LARGER CONCERN AND THAT PEOPLE 
CARE FOR YOU.
YOU DON'T ALWAYS ONLY SHARE LIFE
BECAUSE YOU'RE JOYFUL, YOU ALSO 
SHARE LIFE BECAUSE YOU'RE SAD.
>> NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE HERE IN 
NOVA SCOTIA SINGING ABOUT THIS 
KIND OF TRAGEDY.
>> Reporter: THE SADNESS OF IT 
ALL SHARED IN SONG.
♪ SOONER OR LATER ♪
♪ IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY ♪
>> I THINK PEOPLE FEEL THAT LOVE
AND THEY GET THAT CONNECTION FOR
CERTAIN, BUT IT'S FUNNY, IT'S 
HEALING FOR THE PERSON WHO SHOWS
THE SUPPORT, TOO.
>> Reporter: ALL SHARING THE 
HOPE THAT THERE HAS TO BE BETTER
DAYS AHEAD FOR NOVA SCOTIA.
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>> Carole: PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN
TRUDEAU ADDRESSED NOVA SCOTIANS 
AND CANADIANS ABOUT THE ATTACKS 
IN NOVA SCOTIA DURING HIS 
BRIEFING TODAY.
>> Prime Minister Justin 
Trudeau: THIS MORNING I WANT TO 
AGAIN EXTEND MY MOST SINCERE 
CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES AND 
FRIENDS OF THE VICTIMS OF THE 
TERRIBLE NOVA SCOTIA ATTACKS.
SINCE YESTERDAY I'VE HAD THE 
CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH CONSTABLE 
CHAD MORRISON, THE RCMP OFFICER 
WOUNDED, AS WELL AS CONSTABLE 
HEIDI STEVENSON'S FAMILY.
ON BEHALF OF ALL CANADIANS I 
THANKED THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE 
AND THEIR SACRIFICE.
YESTERDAY WHEN I OFFERED MY 
SYMPATHIES TO THE RCMP OFFICERS 
WHO SUPPORT ME, I WAS AMAZED TO 
SEE HOW MANY OF THEM KNEW HEIDI 
AND HAD INCREDIBLY FOND MEMORIES
OF HER.
THEY'D WORKED WITH HER ON THE 
MUSICAL RIDE.
THEY REMEMBERED HER AS AN 
EXTRAORDINARY PERSON AND IT 
REALLY GOES TO SHOW JUST HOW 
TIGHTLY KNIT, NOT JUST THE RCMP 
AS A FORCE, BUT HOW CLOSE WE ARE
AS A COUNTRY.
>> Carole: THE QUEEN ALSO ISSUED
A MESSAGE OF CONDOLENCE TO THE 
PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA TODAY.
SHE SAYS SHE AND PRINCE PHILIP 
HAS BEEN DEEPLY SADDENED BY THE 
APPALLING EVENTS IN NOVA SCOTIA 
AND SEND CONDOLENCES TO 
FAMILIES, FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES
OF THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES 
AND PAYS TRIBUTE TO THE OFFICERS
IT FROM THE ROYAL CANADIAN 
MOUNTED POLICE AND OTHER POLICE 
SERVICES WHO SELFLESSLY 
RESPONDED TO THESE DEVASTATING 
ATTACKS AND THE EMERGENCY 
SERVICES SUPPORTING THOSE 
INJURED AND EFFECTED.
THE QUEEN, WHOSE 94TH BIRTHDAY 
IS TODAY, SAYS HER THOUGHTS AND 
PRAYERS ARE WITH THE PEOPLE OF 
NOVA SCOTIA AND ALL CANADIANS AT
THIS TRAGIC TIME.
>>> SO HOW DOES A COMMUNITY COPE
WITH THE TRAGEDY LIKE THIS?
STAN KUTCHER IS AN INDEPENDENT 
REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTING NOVA
SCOTIA, BUT HE WAS ALSO DIRECTOR
OF THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
IN MENTAL HEALTH POLICY AND 
TRAINING.
I SPOKE TO HIM FROM HIS HOME IN 
HALIFAX.
>> Carole: HOW DID YOU FIRST 
HEAR ABOUT THE SHOOTING?
>> WELL, I HEARD LIKE MANY 
PEOPLE SNIPPETS HERE AND THERE 
ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE CALLING 
ME AND SAYING, DID YOU HEAR WHAT
IS GOING ON?
ONE OF OUR SONS REACHING OUT TO 
US FROM PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND 
SAYING, ARE YOU SAFE?
THAT'S HOW WE HEARD ABOUT IT.
>> Carole: AND WHEN YOU REALIZED
THE SCOPE OF THE SITUATION, THE 
SCOPE OF THE TRAGEDY, WHAT WAS 
YOUR REACTION THEN?
>> WELL, I THINK MY REACTION IS 
VERY SIMILAR TO MOST NOVA 
SCOTIANS, IN FACT, MANY MANY 
CANADIANS, SHOCK, DISBELIEF, 
FEAR.
BECAUSE AT THAT TIME NO ONE KNEW
ARE THE GUNMAN WAS.
ANGER HORROR.
PEOPLE FELT AS IF THEY WERE 
LIVING IN A NIGHTMARE.
AS IF THEY WERE CAUGHT UP IN A 
HORROR MOVIE.
IT'S A TERRIBLE SENSELESS AND 
EVIL EVENT.
>> Carole: HOW CAN A TRAGEDY 
LIKE THIS, AN EVENT LIKE THIS, 
AFFECT A COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, CAROLE, THAT 
NOVA SCOTIA IS A FAIRLY SMALL 
PROVINCE.
MUCH OF IT IS YOU RECALL.
VERY TIGHT-KNIT COMMUNITIES 
PARTICULARLY IN THE RURAL AREAS.
IT COULD BE DESCRIBED AS BUCOLIC
IN PARTS.
IT'S A LOVELY PLACE TO BE.
AND IT'S NOT A PLACE WHERE 
PEOPLE HAVE 6 DEGREES OF 
SEPARATION, IT'S A PLACE WHERE 
WE HAVE TWO OR THREE DEGREES OF 
SEPARATION AT THE MOST.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT CLOSENESS, 
PEOPLE SHARE JOY STRONGLY AND 
THEY SHARE THEIR SORROWS 
STRONGLY.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLACE 
TO START TO COME FROM, BECAUSE 
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT IS 
NECESSARY FOR COMMUNITIES TO 
START ON THE JOURNEY OF HEALING,
THERE ARE THREE IMPORTANT 
THINGS.
ONE IS THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS 
TO HAVE CLEAR, CREDIBLE 
INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS 
HAPPENING AND IT'S GOT TO COME 
FROM A TRUSTED SOURCE AND IT'S 
GOT TO BE FROM A SOURCE THAT IS 
KNOWN TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE SEEING THAT.
WE'RE SEEING THAT FROM THE ROYAL
CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
WE'RE SEEING THAT FROM THE 
PREMIER.
WE'RE SEEING IT FROM THE M.L.A.s
AND THAT'S BEEN REALLY, REALLY 
GOOD.
BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, RUMOURS 
START TO SPREAD.
ALL SORTS OF EMOTIONS START TO 
FLARE UP.
AND ONE OF THE STRONGEST EMOTION
THAT COMES AT THAT TIME IS ANGER
AND ANGER IS A VERY DESTRUCTIVE 
EMOTION.
SO CLEAR, CALM, CREDIBLE 
INFORMATION IS ESSENTIAL.
>> Carole: YOU SAID THERE WERE 
THREE THINGS.
LET'S GO THROUGH THEM.
WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND THING?
>> SURE.
THE SECOND THING IS REASSURANCE.
PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY 
ARE SAFE.
WE KNOW WITH THE DEATH OF THE 
GUNMAN, PEOPLE FEEL SAFE SO 
THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO THERE
IS A PROCESS OF REASSURING 
PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL BE ALL 
RIGHT.
SO THE FIRST REASSURANCE IS 
SAFETY AND THE NEXT THAT YOU'RE 
GOING TO BE OKAY.
AND HERE THE LEADERS HAVE TO 
STEP UP.
AND THEY ARE.
SO OUR POLITICAL LEADERS ARE 
STEPPING UP TO DO THAT.
THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE 
STEPPING UP TO DO THAT.
IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, THERE ARE 
LEADERS IN THAT COMMUNITY, 
SANCTIONED LEADERS IN THE 
COMMUNITY AND WE'RE STARTING TO 
SEE THEM STEP UP AND KNITTING 
TOGETHER THOSE TIES THAT BIND 
THE PEOPLE IN THE SMALLER 
COMMUNITIES AND ACTUALLY ACROSS 
THE ENTIRE PROVINCE.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING -- THIS
IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE EVERY 
COMMUNITY HAS ITS HEALING 
RITUALS THAT THEY DO WHEN 
THEY'RE FACED WITH TRAGEDY AND 
LOSS.
AND THOSE RITUALS INCLUDE 
GETTING TOGETHER WITH OTHER 
PEOPLE FACE-TO-FACE, PHYSICAL 
CONTACT, HUGGING, GATHERING, 
SINGING -- 
>> Carole: EATING TOGETHER.
>> -- EATING TOGETHER.
THIS IS NOVA SCOTIA, YOU MAKE 
MUSIC TOGETHER.
THIS IS THE CHORD THAT STRIKES 
EVERYBODY.
THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF THE 
COMMUNITY AND THAT IS A PROBLEM 
RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE 
COVID-19.
>> Carole: I WAS TALKING TO TORY
PHINNEY.
HE IS CO-ORGANISING THE VIGIL 
THIS WEEK.
I ASKED HIM WHAT PEOPLE ARE 
TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
HE SAID ONE OF THE THINGS 
EVERYBODY IS SAYING, WE USED TO 
ABLE TO NOT LOCK OUR DOORS AT 
NIGHT BUT THIS IS GOING TO 
CHANGE THAT AND HE'S TRYING TO 
URGE PEOPLE NOT TO LET THIS 
TRAGEDY CHANGE THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
>> WELL, YOU SEE, THE 
COMMUNITIES WILL GO THROUGH -- 
AND ALL COMMUNITIES DO THAT 
EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD IN THEIR
OWN WAY -- THEY'LL GO THROUGH 
DIFFERENT PHASES.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE SHOCK AND
CONFUSION PHASE.
AND THEN WE'LL GET THROUGH THAT 
INTO A MORE, MY GOD WHY DID THIS
HAPPEN, WE'RE SEARCHING FOR 
ANSWERS, WHICH WE MAY NEVER FIND
OUT THE ANSWERS TO THESE THINGS.
THEN WE'LL GO TO RESOLUTION AND 
MAKING NEW BOUNDARIES AND BONDS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO 
END UP NOT LOCKING YOUR DOORS.
IT MAY GET BACK TO NOT LOCKING 
YOUR DOORS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE
A PROCESS.
THE HEALING IS GOING TO BE 
DIFFICULT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TIMES WE GO 
FORWARD AND TIMES WE GO 
BACKWARDS.
AND IT IS PAINFUL.
IT'S PAINFUL.
AND IT'S PART OF THE REALITY OF 
HUMAN EXISTENCE THAT THERE IS 
HORRIFIC PAIN IN BEING HUMAN.
AND THE ONLY WAY, CAROLE, THE 
ONLY WAY THAT WE AS A SPECIES --
AND WE'VE DEVELOPED THIS WAY -- 
THE ONLY WAY THIS WE CAN SOLVE 
OUR PAIN IS TO BE THERE FOR EACH
OTHER, SO REACH OUT FOR EACH 
OTHER, TO ASK OTHERS TO HELP US.
IT IS THAT BINDING TOGETHER 
WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT AND SO 
RIGHT NOW I SEE THE COMMUNITIES,
ALL OF US, ARE DOING THAT.
WE'RE BINDING TOGETHER IN 
DIFFERENT WAYS.
PEOPLE ARE LIGHTING CANDLES ON 
THEIR PORCH.
I NOTICED THERE WAS GOBSMACKING 
SUNSET YESTERDAY AND PEOPLE WERE
TAKING PICTURES OF IT YESTERDAY 
AND SHINING IT ALL OVER SOCIAL 
MEDIA.
AND USING THATS AS A WAY OF 
BRINGING THE HEAVENS TO SHINE ON
THE PROVINCE AS OPPOSED TO THE 
DARKNESS THAT PEOPLE WERE 
FEELING.
>> Carole: STAN KUTCHER, 
INDEPENDENT SENATOR REPRESENTING
NOVA SCOTIA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE 
CONVERSATION.
>> AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE FROM NOVA 
SCOTIA AND I HOPE THAT IF YOU 
HAVE FAMILY THERE -- I DON'T 
KNOW IF YOU DO OR NOT -- BUT 
THAT THEY ARE SAFE AND I HOPE 
THEY ARE ABLE TO MOVE THEMSELVES
THROUGH THIS TRAGIC TIME AS 
WELL.
>> Carole: THANK YOU SO MUCH, 
STAN.
>>> AND THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH
US TONIGHT.
AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO SO
GENEROUSLY SHARED THEIR STORIES 
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NETWORK.
OUR LAST NOTE TONIGHT WILL COME 
FROM A BELOVED DAUGHTER OF NOVA 
SCOTIA.
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