>> Gayle king's explosive and
emotional interview with R. Kelly
He lashes out over sex abuse
allegations.
Welcome to "Access live."
Natalie is on assignment for the
today show today.
>> Get visibly upset.
Gayle spoke with him for nearly
80 minutes yesterday, this first
TV interview since he was
charged with ten counts of
aggravated criminal sexual
abuse.
Authorities say three of the
four alleged victims were under
age at the time the crimes
happened.
He has pleaded not guilty.
>> And the clip we just saw
Gayle said right after that,
Oprah called her and asked if
she was afraid.
Did she think he was going to
hit her.
She said, I thought I would
accidentally get clobbered.
I never felt in danger talking
to him.
I never felt that watching Gayle
I thought, wow, this was a man
that can go from this stage to
this stage with the flip of a
switch.
>> I know it definitely seemed
like a flip of a switch.
You can tell this is that's been
building in M.
It's a situation where the thing
that really sets you off isn't
the thing you're upset about
it's all these other things.
But it is crazy to think that
his attorneys would allow this
interview to happen, especially
with the potential of him
responding like that.
Like, this doesn't help him in
any sort of way.
>> He's pleading his innocence
throughout -- help us unpack all
of this, associate professor of
psychiatry at the New York
presbyterian hospital.
Gayle salts joins us from new
York.
Good to see you, Dr. Salts.
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Kelly showed up.
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behavior?
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>> So, I think the point you're
making is -- and
I'm wrong -- that you have never
held anybody against their will?
>> I don't need to.
Why would I?
How stupid would it be for R.
Kelly, with all I've been
through in my way, way past, to
hold somebody -- let alone four,
five, six, 50 you said.
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>> They are charismatic and they
feel convincing.
>> R. Kelly comes into the
interview at one point and tries
to calm him down.
Here's what happened next.
>> I don't want you just ranting
at the camera.
>> I came for them to hear me
talk.
I need help --
>> What kind of help?
>> This is the kind of help I
need.
>> What kind of help?
>> I need somebody to help me
not have a big heart because my
heart is so big.
People betrey me and I keep
forgiving them.
>> You sound like you're playing
the victim here.
You sound like R. Kelly -- you
do -- I listen to you -- you're
playing the victim.
>> I'm just telling the truth
and the reason I'm emotional --
I apologize for that -- is
because this is the first time I
was able to say something.
I've said nothing.
>> Dr. Salts, we found this
particularly interesting.
Describe the victim mentality
when someone is being accused of
what he has been accused of.
>> I've got a big heart?
>> When somebody believes that
they are deserving, and they
feel betrayed -- and believe me,
someone who feels that they were
in some way promised to have
what they want, to get what they
want, and have people remain
loyal to them -- I mean, look
at, you know, what's going on in
our country in general.
People who believe that people
should be loyal to them, and
then they are not loyal to them
can become very enraged.
It has nothing to do,
necessarily, with the outer
ethics and morality of the
situation.
It has to do with someone who
truly believes that they have
demanded loyalty, that they were
promised loyalty, and that that
loyalty was betrayed.
>> This makes no sense to me.
>> Narcissism is often behind
such claims that they should
have loyalty, and believe that
they are entitled to what they
want at all costs.
>> Wow, two women, 23-year-old
Jocelyn savage and 21-year-old
currently live with R. Kelly at
home in Chicago.
Their parents believe that Kelly
has brain washed their
daughters, so, Gayle asked him
about these women.
>> Are you an older man that
likes younger women?
>> I'm an older man that loves
all women.
>> Okay.
Azarelle clairy, what is your
relationship with her?
>> I'm seeing her.
>> Did you have sex with her
when she was 17?
>> Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
Although her parents want pd me
>> No, her parents claim they
have text messages that show you
had sex with her when she was
17.
>> Claim, claim.
>> You're saying you did not
have sex with her?
>> Absolutely not.
>> You are with two IBM right
you love them.
They say they love you.
What kind of love is it that
keeps these young women away
from their families?
Their families are saying -- I'm
talking right now about Jocelyn
>> I'm going to answer your
question.
What kind of father, what kind
of mother will sell their
daughter to a man?
>> Who did that?
>> How come it was okay for me
to see them until they wasn't
getting no money from it?
Why would you take your
daughter -- if I were gonna take
my daughter and she's 19 years
old to a 49-year-old icon,
whatever, celebrity or R. Kelly
concert or whoever it is, I'm
not gonna put her on the stage
and leave her.
I'm gonna take her to the
their father is more into my
music and know about my music
than they do.
>> You're saying the parents
handed their daughters azerel
and Jocelyn over to you?
Is that what you're saying?
>> Acsabsolutely.
>> So he knows it's wrong.
>> The issue here is that,
right, he doesn't even know what
he's saying.
He doesn't even know what he's
he's trying to put the blame --
why would a father -- why would
parents sell their daughter --
why would you be buying
children?
>> Yeah, so he's admitting to
blame here, but then deflecting
everything that is on him --
>> Dr. Salts, I'm going to need
to call you after this.
This is nuts.
>> I'll tell you, there are big
red flags.
When you are always the victim
and everybody else is to blame
and you are always able to point
the finger at someone else, that
is a big red concerning flag.
When you -- when a young woman
or any woman, when a person is
separated from their family and
not allowed to communicate with
friends, with family, is
isolated and only allowed to be
with the, quote, significant
other, that is a big red flag.
That is a red flag.
I talk to young women about this
all the time.
If you are isolated from others,
that is a abuse fine.
There are a number of things he
is couching in a certain way.
But he is saying blatantly that
really incriminate him.
That's the reality.
They really incriminate him
whether he understands that or
>> It doesn't seem like he knows
what he's saying.
At one point he even blamed
social media as a way for women
to get together and plot against
him --
>> Or that it happens to every
>> R. Kelly has three children,
a 20-year-old daughter, an
18-year-old daughter who
identifies as male, and a
16-year-old son.
Gayle asked about how being a
father has factored into all of
this.
>> You have daughters.
If your daughters called you and
said that somebody is doing to
them what the allegations are
about you, would you be okay
with that?
>> Let me tell you something.
I'd be up in that [ bleep ]
Everything up.
I had to bleep myself.
>> If your daughter came to you
and said somebody is doing to me
what the allegations --
>> I would have to arrest myself
after I do what I had to did.
>> You've been candid you are a
sexual abuse survivor yourself.
You talk candidly you were
molested from the age of 7 to
13, 14.
How did you think that has
affected you?
>> It hasn't affected me at
all -- it has affected me.
It affected me in this way.
Anything that I've been through,
that or any struggles I've had
in my past has affected my
music.
>> Has it affected your
behavior?
>> Absolutely not.
Because I'm gonna tell you
something.
I know people say well, he
was abused.
>> Exactly.
>> That's why he's doing that.
No, no, no, no.
>> When you say you need help,
do you think you need therapy?
Have you been to therapy?
>> Absolutely at this point, I'm
talking about that.
>> About going?
>> Absolutely.
>> It seems like someone could
say you might seem out of touch
to a lot of people --
>> What do you mean?
>> I mean, your perception of
the charges against you.
I know it's your side and it's
your story.
But you have a different
perception that most of the
world has about you.
>> I have the truth.
People have perceptions.
I have truth.
>> Do you think you're invi
invincible?
>> Absolutely not, I'm human.
>> Doctor, your wrap up.
What is your take on the overall
clips we showed you this
>> My overall take, I think a
lot of very concerning things
were expressed, and I think he's
in a lot of denial about his
situation at this point, and he
probably would be better to not
go in front of the cameras at
all.
And I think that it is important
for people to understand that
not all people who have been
abused become abusers.
>> Right.
>> But the idea that one is
unaffected by abuse is not
believable, it is just not
believable.
And this is somebody who should
have been in therapy probably
long ago.
>> And I want to -- not that you
necessarily need to cosign, but
I do want to take a moment and
acknowledge if you are out
there, if you are someone who
has been affected by or a victim
of or been an abuser, please
know that help is available,
that you are not alone in that.
It is okay to seek help.
It is okay to seek help.
Watching clips like that make
you feel like, oh, yeah, it
could easily make you feel like,
if he don't get it, I don't need
it.
It is okay to seek help.
>> Dr. Salts, we'll need you,
too, on Friday, the interview
with the two young women that
are currently living with him
speak up.
We're going to need you again,
Dr. Salts.
>> Happy to come back.
>> Thanks so much.
