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>> Andrew: GOOD EVENING, I'M
ANDREW CHANG.
TONIGHT, THE DESPERATE SEARCH
FOR SURVIVORS AND FOR ANSWERS.
>> HE'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY
SADLY MISSED.
>> Andrew: OFF THE COAST OF
GREECE ANOTHER CANADIAN TRAGEDY.
>> Adrienne: I'M ADRIENNE
ARSENAULT.
AND ALSO TONIGHT BEWARE THE
COVID-19 SCAM.
>> I WAS ACTUALLY VERY
DEVASTATED AND SCARED.
>> Adrienne: AS IF THE VIRUS
WASN'T BAD ENOUGH.
>> IT'S JUST A PERFECT STORM.
>> Andrew: RENTERS WORRY ON
THE EVE OF A NEW MONTH.
SO DO LANDLORDS.
>> Adrienne: AND LIVING WITH
THE FLOODING IN ALBERTA.
>> WE HAD MINUTES TO GET OUT.
>> Adrienne: HARD EARNED
EXPERIENCE TELLS THEM THAT HARD
DAYS ARE AHEAD.
>>> THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>>> LESS THAN TWO WEEKS AFTER 22
PEOPLE WERE MURDERED IN NOVA
SCOTIA, ANOTHER TRAGEDY FOR THAT
PROVINCE AND THIS COUNTRY.
>> Andrew: CANADA AND ITS NATO
ALLIES NOW LOOKING FOR A CRASHED
MILITARY HELICOPTER OFF THE
COAST OF GREECE.
OF THE SIX CANADIANS ABOARD, ONE
IS CONFIRMED DEAD,
SUB-LIEUTENANT ABBIGAIL
COWBROUGH.
THE OTHERS HAVEN'T BEEN FOUND.
AND EACH PASSING DAY
MAKES THAT LESS AND LESS LIKELY.
THEIR FAMILIES AND FELLOW
SERVICE MEMBERS ABOARD HMCS
FREDERICTON ARE TRAPPED BETWEEN
HOPE AND GRIEF.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN
THE HOME PORT, HALIFAX, WHERE
PEOPLE ARE PAYING RESPECTS AND
HOLDING OUT FOR ANY GOOD NEWS.
NOW TO LOSE A LOVED ONE IS
ALWAYS
DEVASTATING, BUT AS KAYLA
HOUNSELL EXPLAINS, FOR MANY THIS
TRAGEDY IS COMPOUNDING ALREADY
FRESH PAIN.
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>> Reporter: IT WAS ONE WEEK
AGO SUB-LIEUTENANT ABBIGAIL
COWBROUGH DEPLOYED ON HMCS
FREDERICTON AND OFFERED THIS
TRIBUTE TO THE VICTIMS OF NOVA
SCOTIA'S MASS SHOOTING.
NOW AT JUST 23, COWBROUGH
HERSELF HAS BECOME THE VICTIM OF
A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY.
SHE WAS ON BOARD THE CH-148
CYCLONE HELICOPTER WHEN IT
CRASHED.
>> THE NAVY JUST FILLED HER
LIFE, IT WAS EVERYTHING THAT SHE
EVER DREAMED OF.
>> Reporter: A GRADUATE OF
CANADA'S ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE,
SHE WAS A MARINE SYSTEMS
ENGINEERING OFFICER.
>> SHE WAS A LOVING, GIVING
YOUNG WOMAN.
AND JUST LIT UP EVERY ROOM THAT
SHE WALKED INTO.
SHE'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY
SADLY MISSED.
>> Reporter: COWBROUGH'S BODY
HAS BEEN RECOVERED.
FIVE OTHERS ARE STILL MISSING.
NAVAL WARFARE OFFICER
SUB-LIEUTENANT MATTHEW PYKE FROM
NOVA SCOTIA.
AND FOUR MEMBERS OF
THE AIR CREW.
PILOTS CAPTAIN BRENDEN
MacDONALD ALSO FROM NOVA
SCOTIA, AND CAPTAIN KEVIN HAGEN.
HE WAS FROM NANAIMO, BRITISH
COLUMBIA.
AND CAPTAIN MAXIME MIRON-MORIN,
FROM TROIS-RIVIÉRES, QUEBEC.
AND MATTHEW COUSINS FROM GUELPH, 
ONTARIO.
ALL BASED IN HALIFAX.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: ALL OF THEM ARE
HEROES.
EACH OF THEM WILL LEAVE A VOID
THAT CANNOT BE FILLED.
>> SHE IS JUST LIKE THE MOST
LOVABLE PERSON THAT YOU WOULD
EVER MEET.
>> Reporter: PASTOR JASON COLE
CONSIDERED ABBIGAIL COWBROUGH A
PERSONAL FRIEND.
HE'S ALSO NOW
GUIDING HER CHURCH COMMUNITY
THROUGH GRIEF AT A TIME WHEN
THERE'S JUST SO MUCH GRIEF IN
THE PROVINCE SHE CALLED HOME.
>> THIS IS NOT THE WAY THAT GOD
INTENDED.
GOD MADE A PERFECT WORLD.
HUMANITY BOTCHED IT AND HE
OFFERS US SALVATION THROUGH HIS
SON.
ABBIGAIL BELIEVED THAT, I
BELIEVE THAT.
>> Reporter: WHEN SHE POSTED
THIS VIDEO, COWBROUGH, WHO MOVED
TO NOVA SCOTIA AS A
TEENAGER WROTE, "YOU CAN TRAVEL
THE WORLD AND STILL NOT MEET
ANYONE LIKE AN EAST COASTER.
GLAD TO HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN FROM
THEM, FOR I'D HAVE IT NO OTHER
WAY."
SHE IS REMEMBERED AS BOLD,
BRAVE, AND A PROUD CANADIAN.
KAYLA HOUNSELL, CBC NEWS,
HALIFAX.
>> Adrienne: INVESTIGATORS
DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
AND AS MURRAY BREWSTER EXPLAINS,
THEY ARE FACING A FORMIDABLE
CHALLENGE.
>> Reporter: THE IOANIAN SEA
AT DARK.
THE FRANTIC SEARCH TODAY FOR
FIVE MISSING CANADIANS.
>> THE CYCLONE HELICOPTER HAD
CONDUCTED FLIGHT OPERATIONS AND
WAS RETURNING TO THE SHIP.
AT APPROXIMATELY 6:52 p.m.,
THE SHIP LOST CONTACT WITH THE
AIR CREW AND A FEW MINUTES LATER
FLARES WERE SPOTTED IN THE
WATER.
A FIVE-YEAR-OLD
CYCLONE HELICOPTER HAD BEEN IN
THE AIR A LITTLE OVER TWO HOURS
WHEN SOMETHING WENT
CATASTROPHICALLY WRONG AND IT
INEXPLICABLY SLAMMED INTO THE
OCEAN AND SANK.
>> AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THEY WERE
IN ABOUT 3,000 METRES OF WATER.
>> Reporter: AND THAT DEPTH
WILL PRESENT PERHAPS THE BIGGEST
CHALLENGE TO THE RECOVERY.
A LARGE DEBRIS FIELD ON THE
BOTTOM INDICATES THE HELICOPTER
BROKE APART.
>> 3,000 METRES PRESENTS AN
INSURMOUNTABLE CHALLENGE FOR THE
ROYAL CANADIAN NAVY.
WHICH MEANS WE'D HAVE TO SEEK
ASSISTANCE FROM ALLIES OR
POSSIBLY FROM A COMMERCIAL
OPERATOR.
>> Reporter: THE DEFENCE
MINISTER HARJIT SAJJAN TOLD CBC
NEWS TONIGHT ALL OPTIONS,
INCLUDING
THE USE OF ALLIED DIVING
VEHICLES, ARE BEING CONSIDERED.
INVESTIGATORS HAVE RECOVERED THE
FLIGHT DATA RECORDERS.
THEY WILL BE ANALYSED AT THE
NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL IN
OTTAWA.
ALL OPERATIONS OF CYCLONE
HELICOPTERS IS PAUSED, BUT THE
AIR FORCE EXPECTS TO GET BACK TO
BUSINESS SOON.
>> I DO NOT HAVE ANY SAFETY
CONCERNS AT MOMENT.
>> Reporter: THE CYCLONE
HELICOPTERS WERE ONLY RECENTLY
BROUGHT INTO SERVICE,
REPLACEMENTS FOR THE AIR FORCE'S
FIVE DECADE OLD SEA KINGS.
SOME ON ORDER ARE STILL BEING
DELIVERED.
AND SIKORSKY, THE MAKER OF THE
CYCLONE, HAS DISPATCHED A TEAM
TO ASSIST IN THE INVESTIGATION.
MURRAY BREWSTER, CBC NEWS,
OTTAWA.
>> Adrienne: SO THIS MODEL OF
SIKORSKY HELICOPTER HAS HAD
OTHER ACCIDENTS.
THOSE INCLUDE THE 2009 DISASTER
OFF OF NEWFOUNDLAND THAT KILLED
17 PEOPLE.
AND A 2017 CRASH IN IRELAND THAT
KILLED ALL FOUR ON BOARD.
>> Andrew: NOW TO THE LATEST
DEVELOPMENTS IN NORTHERN ALBERTA
WHERE COMMUNITIES ARE RAVAGED BY
FLOODING.
THE ICE JAM ON THE ATHABASCA
RIVER HAS BEEN MELTING DUE TO
WARMER WEATHER.
IT'S NOW HALF OF WHAT IT WAS.
BUT THE DAMAGE IS DONE FOR THE
MORE THAN 13,000 PEOPLE FORCED
TO FLEE THEIR HOMES STARTING
FIVE DAYS AGO.
MOST OF THEM FROM FORT
McMURRAY.
AND, REMEMBER, JUST FOUR YEARS
AGO WILDFIRES WREAKED HAVOC ON
THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY.
RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN SHOWS US THAT
ONCE AGAIN THE PEOPLE HERE ARE
EXILES FROM DISASTER.
>> WE GOT SOME FOOD, WE GOT SOME
WATER --
>> Reporter: PICK-UP TIME AT
THE DONATION CENTRE.
JUST THE BARE NECESSITIES,
LUXURIES NOW FOR THOSE WHO FLED
HOME FAST.
>> THE POLICE WERE KNOCKING ON
OUR
DOOR AND THEY SAID THAT WE HAD
MINUTES TO GET OUT.
>> Reporter: THAT WAS SUNDAY.
SHERRI HORLOCK AND HER FAMILY
LEFT WITH ALMOST NOTHING.
NOW THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO STOCK
UP THANKS TO THE EFFORTS OF THIS
VOLUNTEER CENTRE.
>> WE WANTED TO DONATE 20
SANDWICHES TO THE FIREFIGHTERS
AND POLICE AND RESPONDERS.
>> Reporter: BILLY MARTIN'S
BRAINCHILD.
HE OWNS A SANDWICH SHOP IN FORT
McMURRAY.
>> THEN IT TURNED INTO 300
SANDWICHES FOR THE EVACUEES AND
IT TURNED INTO THIS WITH A
COUPLE PHONE CALLS AND FACEBOOK
POSTS.
>> Reporter: BUT IN THE MIDST
OF A PUBLIC HEALTH PANDEMIC,
CONCERNS STRETCH BEYOND MATERIAL
NEEDS.
HORLOCK'S TEMPORARY SHELTER IS A
CROWDED OIL SANDS WORK CAMP.
>> BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY
PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY DOES A
LITTLE COUGHING YOU ARE LIKE OH,
MY GOODNESS, YOU KNOW?
>> Reporter: AND THEN THERE'S
WHO LOST SO MUCH.
CAROLINE BOUDREAULT'S CONDO
BURNED DOWN IN THE
2016 WILDFIRE AND SHE'S FLED HER
NEW PLACE BECAUSE OF THE
FLOODWATERS.
>> DEFINITELY YOU WONDER WHAT
NEXT, WHAT'S NEXT, IS THERE
ANYTHING ELSE -- HMM, A TORNADO
MAYBE?
ARE WE IN TORNADO COUNTRY?
I DON'T THINK SO.
BUT I'M TRYING TO SEE THE LIGHT
AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.
>> Reporter: THAT LIGHT MAY BE
FURTHER AWAY THAN SOME MIGHT
HOPE.
UP TO SEVEN MORE DAYS FOR FULL
RE-ENTRY INTO THE COMMUNITY.
>> WE NEED A NUMBER OF
CONDITIONS TO BE MET IN ORDER
FOR THE RESIDENTS TO RETURN TO
THEIR COMMUNITIES SAFELY.
THOSE CONDITIONS INCLUDE
FLOODWATER, NO LONGER AN
IMMINENT THREAT.
>> Reporter: AND ONLY THEN
WILL IT
BE CLEAR THE FULL SCOPE OF WHAT
NEEDS TO BE REBUILT.
RAFFY BOUDJIKANIAN, CBC NEWS,
FORT McMURRAY.
>> Adrienne: CASES OF COVID-19
HAVE NOW REACHED EVERY PROVINCE
AND TERRITORY IN CANADA.
TODAY NUNAVUT CONFIRMED ITS VERY
FIRST CASE, SOMEONE IN POND
INLET.
IT'S NOT YET KNOWN HOW THAT
PERSON GOT INFECTED.
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, CANADA NOW
HAS MORE THAN 53,000 CONFIRMED
CASES, MORE THAN 3,200 PEOPLE
HAVE DIED.
BUT THAT NUMBER OF LIVES LOST IS
KNOWN, BUT WHAT LIES BEHIND IT,
WHO THE VICTIMS ARE AND HOW THEY
LIVED AND HOW ELSE THEY MIGHT BE
LINKED IS NOT.
THOSE DETAILS AREN'T RELEASED IN
STATISTICS.
SO CBC NEWS HAS MADE IT A
MISSION TO GATHER THAT
INFORMATION.
WE'RE CALLING THE PROJECT "LIVES
REMEMBERED."
RENÉE FILIPPONE WITH SOME OF
WHAT WE'RE LEARNING.
>> Reporter: THESE ARE SOME OF
THE PEOPLE LOST IN JUST THE
FIRST WEEKS OF THE PANDEMIC.
THE FIRST 1,000, PART OF A
DATABASE COMPILED BY CBC NEWS.
HELEN DOITCH-HALL WAS 102, ONE
OF THE OLDEST TO DIE.
>> IF I HAD THEM HERE I COULD
SHOW YOU SOME OF THEM.
THEY WERE HUGE.
>> Reporter: HER DAUGHTER SAYS
THAT SHE SPENT YEARS DOCUMENTING
FAMILY HISTORY.
THROUGHOUT HER LONG LIFE SHE
MAINTAINED AN EXCEPTIONALLY
POSITIVE DISPOSITION.
>> SHE RECENTLY HAD A PACEMAKER
PUT IN AND THE NURSE THAT HAD
BEEN LOOKING AFTER HER SAID, OH,
HELEN, I'M NOT GOING TO SEE YOU
TOMORROW.
IT'S MY DAY OFF.
I HOPE EVERYTHING GOES WELL.
AND MY MOM SAID, OH, DON'T
WORRY, IT WILL.
>> Reporter: AT THE OTHER END
OF THE SPECTRUM, NICOLE HOFFMAN.
IN HER 20s SHE'S CANADA'S
YOUNGEST KNOWN VICTIM OF
COVID-19.
HER FIANCÉ HAS STARTED A
FUNDRAISER TO HONOUR HER LOVE OF
ANIMALS.
OUR DATA FOUND THE GENDER SPLIT
WAS FAIRLY EVEN.
THAT EIGHT OUT OF 10 DEATHS WERE
PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 70.
WHILE MOST WERE RETIRED, THOSE
STILL WORKING WERE THE WORST.
-- WERE DIVERSE.
FROM HEALTH CARE WORKERS TO A
YOUTH WORKER, A HIGH SCHOOL
CUSTODIAN AND A MUSICIAN.
IN ONE CASE, A MOTHER AND
DAUGHTER WITH A CLOSE BOND.
93-YEAR-OLD RUTH SHEPARD AND HER
56-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER TAMMY.
>> VERY SWEET RELATIONSHIP, VERY
SPECIAL.
TAMMY LIVED WITH MY GRANDMOTHER
HER WHOLE LIFE.
>> Reporter: THE PAIR HAD
RECENTLY MOVED INTO THIS NURSING
HOME HIT HARD BY COVID-19.
TAMMY SHEPARD DIED SIX DAYS
AFTER HER MOTHER.
SO MUCH ABOUT CANADA'S FIRST
1,000 DEATHS IS STILL UNKNOWN.
IN PROVINCES LIKE B.C. AND
ALBERTA, DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION
IS PROVIDED REGULARLY.
IN OTHER PLACES THAT LEVEL OF
DETAIL IS DIFFICULT TO GET.
ALL THE WHILE THE DEATH TOLL IN
CANADA RISES DAILY.
PAST 3,000 NOW.
RENÉE FILIPPONE, CBC NEWS,
VANCOUVER.
>> Adrienne: SO AS WE SAID,
THOSE STORIES ARE IMPORTANT TO
TELL.
THEY HELP US TO SEE PAST THAT
ENORMOUS STATISTIC, THAT DEATH
TOLL, INTO THE TRUE HUMAN LOSS.
IF YOU WANT TO SHARE THE STORY
OF SOMEONE THAT YOU LOST IN THIS
VIRUS, REACH OUT TO
US AT
COVID@CBC.CA.
>> Andrew: WELL, ALBERTA HAS
JOINED OTHER PROVINCES IN
UNVEILING A PLAN TO RELAX PUBLIC
HEALTH RESTRICTIONS.
>> WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO
MANAGE THE RISK AND THAT'S WHAT
OUR STRATEGY IS BASED ON.
>> Andrew: PREMIER JASON
KENNEY SAYS THAT THE
MULTI-STAGED PLAN WILL BEGIN ON
MONDAY WITH THE RESUMPTION OF
SOME SURGERIES AND RE-OPENINGS
FOR SOME HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS
LIKE
DENTISTS AND PHYSIOTHERAPISTS.
BUT IT'S MID-MAY BEFORE
NON-ESSENTIALS LIKE SHOPS AND
BARS AND RESTAURANTS CAN RE-OPEN
THEIR DOORS.
>> WE CANNOT WAIT, WE MUST ADAPT
AND ADJUST OUR
LIVES LIVING WITH COVID-19.
>> Andrew: NEWFOUNDLAND AND
LABRADOR INTRODUCED ITS OWN PLAN
TODAY, FOLLOWING NEW BRUNSWICK'S
LEAD, TO IMMEDIATELY ALLOW
PEOPLE TO
EXPAND THEIR SOCIAL BUBBLES TO
INCLUDE ONE OTHER HOUSEHOLD.
MAY 11th WAS SET AS A TARGET
DATE WHERE IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS
ARE MET, SOME LOW-RISK
BUSINESSES
COULD REOPEN AND CERTAIN MEDICAL
PROCEDURES WOULD RESUME.
NOW OF ALL OF THE PROVINCES AND
TERRITORIES, QUÉBEC HAS BEEN
HARDEST HIT BY COVID-19.
BUT IT ALSO HAS THE MOST
AMBITIOUS TARGET
FOR RELAXING RESTRICTIONS.
STARTING MONDAY IN MOST OF THE
PROVINCE AND JUST A WEEK LATER
IN MONTRÉAL.
ALISON NORTHCOTT SHOWS US WHY
THAT'S CAUSING ANXIETY,
ESPECIALLY IN OUTBREAK HOTSPOTS.
>> Reporter: AS QUÉBEC MOVES
TO SLOWLY START REOPENING IN THE
COMING WEEKS, OFFICIALS IN
THE BURROW OF MONTRÉAL NORTH ARE
WORKING TO CONTAIN AN OUTBREAK
AND SOME WANT MORE TIME.
>> TO FLATTEN [indiscernible]
WE SHOULD WAIT -- WE SHOULD
WAIT.
>> Reporter: THE QUÉBEC
GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT IT'S
WATCHING THINGS CLOSELY HERE AND
IN SEVERAL MONTRÉAL HOSPITALS
HIT BY OUTBREAKS.
AT THIS ONE THE VIRUS IS
COMPLICATING THINS IN THE
EMERGENCY ROOM AND SOME WORRY
THAT THE RE-OPENING COULD PUSH
IT TO THE LIMIT.
>> IF WE SEE ANOTHER SURGE OF
COVID WHILE IN THE FIRST SURGE,
WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NICE
WANT IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM
I THINK.
>> Reporter: THE PREMIER
ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE BATTLE IN
MONTRÉAL ISN'T OVER AND SAYS
THAT HIS PLAN TO RE-OPEN SCHOOLS
AND DAYCARES AND SOME BUSINESSES
IN THE NEXT MONTH COULD CHANGE
IF THE CONDITIONS DEMAND IT.
>> IT'S TIME TO BE MORE
DISCIPLINED THAN EVER.
IF WE STOP OUR EFFORTS AND THE
SITUATION DOESN'T IMPROVE IN
MONTRÉAL, I WON'T HESITATE TO
PUSH BACK THE RE-OPENING.
>> Reporter: HE SAYS THAT THE
OUTBREAK IN MONTRÉAL IS MOSTLY
UNDER CONTROL BUT HE EXPECTS
MORE CASES AND DEATHS IN THE
COMING DAYS.
>> WE'RE ON FRONTLINE AND HEAR
WHAT IS GOING ON.
>> Reporter: THIS E.R. DOCTOR
SAYS THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO
HANDLE A NEW WAVE IF IT'S EASED
OUT CAREFULLY.
>> AS LONG AS IT'S CONTAINED AND
WELL CONTROLLED.
>> Reporter: BUT THE NURSES'
UNION SAYS THAT THEIR MEMBERS
ARE ALREADY STRETCHED AND
WORRIED ABOUT WHAT MIGHT COME
NEXT.
>> THEY FEEL EXTREMELY STRESSED
BY KNOWING THAT.
BECAUSE, OF COURSE, THE RISK OF
CONTAMINATION IS GOING TO
INCREASE DRASTICALLY.
>> Reporter: THE PROVINCE SAYS
THEY'LL RAMP UP TESTING IN
MONTRÉAL NORTH IN THE COMING
DAYS AND ACROSS QUÉBEC IN THE
COMING WEEKS.
ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS,
MONTRÉAL.
>> Adrienne: FOR MILLIONS OF
CANADIANS RENT IS DUE NEXT AND
WITH BUSINESSES SHUTTERED AND SO
MANY OUT OF WORK, SOME WON'T BE
ABLE TO PLAY.
AS BRIAR STEWART EXPLAINS,
OTHERS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Reporter: EVERY NIGHT IN
METRO VANCOUVER, PEOPLE CHEER
FOR HEALTH CARE WORKERS.
ON THESE BALCONIES EVERYONE IS A
RENTER, INCLUDING AT THIS
BUILDING WHERE RYAN AND KATHLEEN
LIVE.
THE COUPLE DIDN'T WANT THEIR
LAST NAMES USED.
>> WE BOTH LOST OUR JOBS IN
EARLY IN MARCH AND WE HAVE A LOT
OF DEBT SO IT'S A PERFECT STORM.
>> Reporter: KATHLEEN IS
RECEIVING THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT'S EMERGENCY BENEFIT
AND RYAN IS ON E.I.
THEY DIDN'T PAY RENT LAST MONTH
AND WON'T IN MAY EITHER.
>> WE KEPT WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN RENT
AND SPENT IT ON FOOD AND BASIC
STUFF.
>> Reporter: ACROSS CANADA,
ABOUT A THIRD OF HOUSEHOLDS
RENT.
B.C. LAUNCHED A $500 RENT
SUBSIDY.
MORE THAN 50,000 PEOPLE APPLIED
BUT MANY ARE FINDING OUT THAT
THEY'RE INELIGIBLE BECAUSE THEIR
INCOME WAS TOO HIGH LAST YEAR.
>> THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS ARE
GOING TO BE VERY CRITICAL.
>> Reporter: DAVID HUTNIAK IS
WITH A GROUP REPRESENTING
LANDLORDS IN THE PROVINCE.
HE SAYS THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE LAUNCHED
A RENTAL SUPPLEMENT PROGRAMME AS
WELL, BECAUSE IF THE TENANTS
DON'T PAY, LANDLORD WHOSE RELY
ON THE MONTHLY INCOME TO PAY
THEIR OWN MORTGAGES COULD BE IN
FINANCIAL TROUBLE.
>> RENTERS ARE SUFFERING AND
UNHAPPY AND SO IS OUR SECTOR,
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S
MORATORIUMS ON EVICTIONS AND
RENTS ARE NOT BEING PAID.
>> Reporter: HUTNIAK'S SURVEY
FOUND THAT 10% OF B.C.'S
LANDLORDS WERE NOT PAID ANY RENT
IN APRIL AND THERE ARE FEARS
THAT THE NUMBER COULD BE HIGHER
IN MAY.
THERE'S A CAMPAIGN UNDERWAY
URGING TENANTS TO ORGANIZE AND
TO JOIN A RENT STRIKE.
>> THAT MEANS TO BOTH IN KEEPING
THE RENT TODAY AND IN PUSHING
BACK AND RESISTING ANY
ATTEMPTINGS TO EVICT TENANTS WHO
HAVE MADE THAT DECISION DOWN THE
LINE.
>> Reporter: RYAN AND KATHLEEN
SAYS THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
TO PAY PART OF THE RENT BECAUSE
IT WON'T PROTECTION THEM FROM
BEING EVICTED ONCE THE BANS ARE
LIFTED.
SO THEY'RE MEETING WITH
NEIGHBOURS WHO ARE IN A SIMILAR
SITUATION AND HOPE WHEN THIS IS
OVER THAT THEY WON'T ALL BE
FORCED TO FIND A NEW PLACE TO
LIVE.
BRIAR STEWART, CBC NEWS, NEW
WESTMINSTER, B.C.
>> Andrew: THE ANXIETY AND
EVEN DESPERATION OF CANADIANS IN
A CASH CRUNCH IS JUST WHAT
SCAMMERS LOOK ON AND PREY ON AND
THESE DAYS THEY'RE AT IT
BIG-TIME.
WE HAVE A COUPLE STORIES TONIGHT
TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT TO
WATCH FOR AND STARTING WITH
MAKDA GHEBRESLASSIE'S LOOK AT
LOAN OFFERS TO AVOID.
>> Reporter: LIKE OTHER
BUSINESSES THE PANDEMIC HAS
TAKEN A BIG BITE OUT OF THIS
COUPLE'S DOGGY DAYCARE.
>> WE'RE GETTING ABOUT THREE OR
FOUR DOGS A DAY.
THAT'S A 75% CUT IN REVENUE.
>> Reporter: AFTER RESEARCHING
LOANS ONLINE HE GOT AN
UNSOLICITED OFFER FROM FIRST
CAPITAL CANADA FOR A $20,000
LOAN.
IT LOOKED LEGITIMATE BUT THERE
WAS A CATCH.
>> I'D HAVE TO PUT UP A BUNCH OF
MONEY TO GET A LOAN AND IT
DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO
ME.
>> Reporter: IT'S CALLED AN
ADVANCED FEE LOAN.
ACCORDING TO THE BETTER BUSINESS
BUREAU IT'S ILLEGAL.
VICTIMS DON'T GET THE LOAN OR
THEIR MONEY BACK.
>> I THINK THAT SCAMMERS ARE
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE PANDEMIC
TO TRY TO GET MORE MONEY BECAUSE
THEY KNOW THAT A LOT OF
CANADIANS RIGHT NOW ARE GOING TO
BE STUCK FOR CASH.
>> Reporter: TAKE A LOOK AT
THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU SCAM
TRACKER.
NOW THIS SHOWS COMPLAINTS FROM
ACROSS THE COUNTRY FROM PEOPLE
SAYING THAT THEY LOST HUNDREDS
OR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
INCLUDING THIS WOMAN IN ONTARIO
WHO WE AGREED NOT TO IDENTIFY
BECAUSE OF HER JOB.
SHE SAYS THAT SHE PAID ALMOST
$4,000 UPFRONT TO SECURE A
$20,000 LOAN FROM BELFORT
CAPITAL SERVICE.
BUT THE LOAN NEVER CAME.
>> PEOPLE ARE IN DESPERATE
SITUATIONS AND WE'RE COUNTING ON
THE SYSTEM TO HELP THEM OUT.
AND THEY'RE JUST TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
>> Reporter: TWO COMPANIES,
TWO IDENTICAL CONTRACTS.
SO THE COMPANY THAT OFFERED HER
THE LOAN, ITS WEBSITE IS NOW
DOWN.
AS FOR THE COMPANY THAT TERRY
WAS DEALING WITH, FIRST CAPITAL
CANADA?
ITS WEBSITE WAS ONLY REGISTERED
TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO WE CALLED THEM UP -- WE TRIED
SEVERAL TIMES -- HE HUNG UP.
MAKDA GHEBRESLASSIE, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: THE SCAM THAT
THIS NEXT STORY HIGHLIGHTS BEGAN
WITH A TEXT AND SOME APPARENTLY
GOOD NEWS.
BUT THERE IS A CATCH.
WE'LL LET KATIE NICHOLSON TAKE
IT FROM THERE.
>> IT WAS FOR ME, IT WAS
CONVINCING BECAUSE I ACTUALLY
DIDN'T KNOW
THAT THEY WOULD SEND ME A TEXT
OR NOT.
>> Reporter: AFTER LOSING HER
RESTAURANT JOB, JOANNA HAD
APPLIED FOR THE CERB.
SO SHE DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF IT
WHEN SHE GOT THIS TEXT.
>> I BASICALLY HAD TO SIGN INTO
MY BANK WHICH WAS MY CARD NUMBER
AND THEN MY PASSWORD FOR MY
ONLINE BANKING.
AND THEN AFTER
THAT IT WAS A BUNCH OF OTHER
PERSONAL QUESTIONS.
>> Reporter: THAT'S WHEN SHE
REALIZED THAT SHE WAS BEING
SCAMMED.
>> I THOUGHT THAT MY MONEY WAS
GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT OF MY
ACCOUNT.
SO I WAS ACTUALLY VERY
DEVASTATED AND SCARED.
>> Reporter: SHE CALLED HER
BANK AND THE CANADIAN ANTI-FRAUD
CENTRE.
TURNED OUT THAT SHE'S ONE OF THE
LUCKY ONES.
IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS THE CIFC
HAS RECEIVED 739 REPORTS LINKED
TO COVID-19 SCAMS.
IN TOTAL, 178 VICTIMS HAVE LOST
A COMBINED $1.2 MILLION.
>> IT'S THE HEIGHTENED SENSE OF
ANXIETY, OF FEAR THAT EXISTS.
THE ISOLATION THAT PEOPLE ARE IN
RIGHT NOW IS ALSO A KEY FACTOR.
ESSENTIALLY FRAUD IS DESIGNED TO
GET PEOPLE TO NOT THINK
STRAIGHT.
SO IT'S A PRIME TIME FOR
SCAMMERS AND FRAUDSTERS TO
SOLICIT A SCAM.
>> Reporter: ONE IN PARTICULAR
PREYS ON CORONAVIRUS FEARS.
IN A MESSAGE TELLING VICTIMS
THEY'VE
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>> Andrew: WELL, SEVERAL U.S.
STATES ARE PUSHING AHEAD WITH
PLANS TO RE-OPEN TOMORROW.
>> I'M TIRED OF GOING AND
ZIPPING UP A BODY BAG OF
SOMEBODY THAT I KNOW.
>> Andrew: UP NEXT, THE VERY
REAL
CONCERNS IN THE SOUTHERN U.S.
TONIGHT.
>> Adrienne: AND LATER WE
CHECK IN WITH BIANCA ANDREESCU.
WHERE ARE YOU?
>> I'M IN MY BASEMENT.
THIS IS WHERE I LIVE NOW.
>> Adrienne: HOW THE CANADIAN
TENNIS
SUPERSTAR IS STAYING ACTIVE
WHILE STAYING HOME.
>> Andrew: AND TONIGHT'S
"MOMENT" IS A MOMENT THAT WE'RE
ALL WAITING FOR.
>> LOOK, HERE IT IS!
>> GIVE ME A HUG.
>> Andrew: A POST-QUARANTINE
HUG FROM NEWFOUNDLAND.
WE'RE BACK IN TWO.
(*)
>> Adrienne: WELCOME BACK.
HERE'S SOME OF THE INTERNATIONAL
STORIES THAT WE'RE WATCHING
TONIGHT.
THE BRITISH PRIME MINISTER SAYS
THAT THERE'S REASON
FOR HOPE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST
COVID-19.
>> SO I CAN CONFIRM TODAY THAT
FOR THE
FIRST TIME THAT WE ARE PAST THE
PEAK OF THIS DISEASE.
>> Adrienne: IN HIS FIRST
PRESS CONFERENCE SINCE
RECOVERING FROM THE VIRUS
HIMSELF, BORIS JOHNSON SAYS THAT
HE WILL UNVEIL A PLAN NEXT WEEK
TO RE-OPEN THE U.K.
BUT HE WARNS THAT AN EVEN BIGGER
OUTBREAK COULD OCCUR IF IT'S NOT
DONE RIGHT.
THE U.K. HAS THE SECOND HIGHEST
DEATH TOLL IN EUROPE AT NEARLY
27,000.
>>> BY TOMORROW DOZENS OF U.S.
STATES WILL HAVE AT LEAST
PARTIALLY REOPENED AND MANY MORE
WILL DO SO IN THE COMING DAYS.
BUT MANY EXPERTS WARN THIS IS
TOO MUCH, TOO SOON, PROMPTING
FEARS OF ANOTHER WAVE OF
INFECTIONS.
>> Andrew: GEORGIA WAS ON THE
FOREFRONT OF THAT PUSH TO
RE-OPEN TO THE DISMAY OF MANY.
KATIE SIMPSON WAS THERE AND
SPOKE TO THOSE CONCERNED ABOUT
THE IMPACT ON ONE COMMUNITY IN
PARTICULAR.
>> Reporter: EIGHT MONTHS
PREGNANT, CHER SALMON KNOWS THAT
THERE'S RISKS IN RETURNING TO
WORK.
THE SINGLE MOM APPLIED FOR
GRANTS AND LOANS SO SHE WOULDN'T
HAVE TO RE-OPEN HER SALON BUT
SHE DIDN'T QUALIFY.
>> I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
I HAVE TO GET BACK TO WORK.
IF THERE WAS A CHOICE I'D BE
CLOSED STILL.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> Reporter: WITH THE
RE-OPENING OF SOME NON-ESSENTIAL
BUSINESSES THERE IS CONCERN IN
GEORGIA'S AFRICAN AMERICAN
COMMUNITY THAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH
CRISIS MAY WORSEN.
>> I WISH THAT THE GOVERNOR
WOULD JUST CHILL OUT AND LET
THIS THING SLIDE AND THEN
EVERYBODY CAN GO BACK TO WORK.
NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT
LINE WHO ARE MOSTLY BLACK, YOU
KNOW, IN THIS SITUATION.
(*)
>> Reporter: KEBBI WILLIAMS
HAS PAUSED HIS MUSIC PROGRAMME
FOR INNER CITY KIDS.
AND HE QUESTIONS THE GOVERNOR'S
DECISION TO RE-OPEN SALONS AND
BARBERSHOPS AND RESTAURANTS
WHERE LOW-WAGE WORKERS ARE OFTEN
PEOPLE OF COLOUR.
>> IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE HE'S
THINKING ABOUT US.
IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT EVEN A
THOUGHT IN THE MATTER, YOU KNOW.
(*)
>> Reporter: EXPOSURE IN
GEORGIA IS A WORRY AS A NEW
STUDY THERE FINDS 80% OF
COVID-19 PATIENTS WHO NEED
HOSPITALIZATION ARE AFRICAN
AMERICAN.
>> IT'S LIKE SOMEONE WALKING
OVER TO THE WALL AND FLIPPING
THE LIGHT ON
AND EXPOSING ALL OF THESE HIT
CARE DISPARITIES.
>> Reporter: MACK WILLIS AND
HIS TWO SONS ARE RECOVERING FROM
THE DISEASE.
HE SAYS THAT THE CRISIS MUST BE
USED TO ADDRESS THE
LONG-STANDING SYSTEMIC LACK OF
ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, ONE
REASON WHY THIS HAS BEEN SO
DEVASTATING FOR AFRICAN
AMERICANS.
>> I KNOW THESE INDIVIDUALS IN
OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHY
I'LL FIGHT FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
I'M TIRED OF
GOING AND ZIPPING UP A BODY BAG
OF SOMEBODY THAT I KNOW.
>> Reporter: THE CORONER IN
GEORGIA'S HARDEST HIT COUNTY
UNDERSTANDS THE NEED TO RE-OPEN
THE ECONOMY, BUT WITH HIS RURAL
MORGUE FULL, HE'S URGING PEOPLE
TO STAY HOME.
KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS,
ATLANTA, GEORGIA.
>> Adrienne: AHEAD ON "THE
NATIONAL," "AT ISSUE" LOOKS AT
THE POLITICS OF RE-OPENING.
QUÉBEC IS THE HARDEST HIT
PROVINCE, SO WE LOOK AT WHY IT'S
MOVING FASTER THAN OTHERS AND
WHETHER THAT IS A POLITICAL
GAMBLE.
>> Andrew: AND WE WILL BE
TAKING ON SOME OF YOUR COVID-19
QUESTIONS, INCLUDING THIS ONE --
I'M HEARING MORE ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF AIRBORNE
TRANSMISSION.
IS THIS POSSIBLE?
THE ANSWER AFTER THIS.
(*)
>> Andrew: WELCOME BACK.
IT IS TIME TO ANSWER YOUR
COVID-19 QUESTIONS AND JOINING
ME TONIGHT IS INFECTIOUS
DISEASES SPECIALIST DR. LYNORA
SAXINGER.
HELLO TO YOU AND LET'S GET
STARTED.
THIS FIRST QUESTION THAT WE'VE
GOT WE'VE BEEN GETTING SINCE THE
VERY START OF ALL OF THIS.
I'M HEARING MORE ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF AIRBORNE
TRANSMISSION.
IS THIS POSSIBLE?
AND IF WE DON'T KNOW, SHOULDN'T
WE ASSUME THE WORSE?
>> YES, THIS IS A VERY
CONTENTIOUS ISSUE AND I THINK
THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MORE
LAB-BASED STUDIES NOW SUGGESTING
THIS POSSIBILITY.
AND IT IS A POSSIBILITY.
I THINK THAT IT'S REASSURING
THOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, THE
W.H.O. STANCE, THE C.D.C. STANCE
ARE SUPPORTED BY THE ACTUAL
OBSERVATION THAT THIS INFECTION
SEEMS TO SPREAD MOSTLY FROM ONE
PERSON TO TWO OR THREE OTHER
PEOPLE IN MOST OF THE STUDIES.
WHEREAS AIRBORNE INFECTIONS
WHERE THAT'S THE MAIN MODE OF
TRANSMISSION USUALLY SPREAD TO A
MUCH GREATER NUMBER OF PEOPLE,
LIKE EIGHT TO 12.
BECAUSE YOU CAN CONTACT THEM
THROUGH ENTERING AN AIR SPACE
WELL AFTER THE INFECTED PERSON
HAS LEFT.
SO IT STILL LOOKS LIKE THIS
INFECTION IS PRIMARILY SPREAD
FROM AN INFECTED PERSON AND YOU
HAVE TO BE IN FAIRLY CLOSE
CONTACT TO THEM OR IN CONTACT
WITH THEIR SECRETIONS BY
TOUCHING YOUR HANDS AND THEN
TOUCHING YOUR FACE.
SO THE OVERALL PATTERN I THINK
IS REASSURING.
>> Andrew: OKAY, THAT'S
INTERESTING.
HERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO ALL OF OUR
PROBLEMS.
WILL THE COVID-19 VACCINE BE A
LIVE VACCINE AND WILL IT BE SAFE
FOR ALL PEOPLE?
>> RIGHT.
SO THERE'S MORE -- WELL OVER 70
NOW I THINK VACCINE CANDIDATES
THAT ARE BEING EVALUATED.
AND AS FAR AS I KNOW I DON'T
THINK THAT
ANY OF THEM ARE LIVE VIRUSES.
MOST ARE USING SUB-UNITS OF THE
VIRUS AND PURIFYING THEM SO
THERE WOULD BE NO RISK OF
ACQUIRING THE VIRUS FROM THE
VACCINE.
IT'S TO ILLICIT AN IMMUNE
RESPONSE.
AND SO I THINK THAT THE VACCINES
THAT MAKE IT THROUGH THE TRIALS
WILL BE VERY SAFE FOR ANYBODY.
>> Andrew: OKAY.
WILL THE COVID-19 VACCINE BE
MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THE FLU
VACCINE?
>> WELL, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW FOR
SURE THAT WE'LL HAVE AN
EFFECTIVE VACCINE.
BUT I THINK THAT THE ODDS ARE
GOOD.
AND I'M THINKING THAT WHAT WE
SEE SO FAR IS THAT THE VACCINE
WILL NOT NEED TO BE CHANGED
SEASONALLY THE WAY THAT THE
INFLUENZA VACCINE NEEDS TO BE
CHANGED.
SO IN THAT WAY I THINK THAT IT
WOULD BE LIKELY TO BE MORE
EFFECTIVE.
>> Andrew: DR. SAXINGER, I
WILL LEAVE IT THERE.
BUT I ALWAYS ENJOY SPEAKING WITH
YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
TIME.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Andrew: AS WE MENTIONED
WE'LL ASK YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT
COVID-19 AS OFTEN AS WE CAN, SO
SEND THEM IN.
MESSAGE US DIRECTLY ON
INSTAGRAM @CBCTHENATIONAL OR
SEND AN EMAIL TO COVID@CBC.CA.
JUST BE SURE TO PUT "THE
NATIONAL" IN THE SUBJECT LINE.
>> Adrienne: AHEAD ON "THE
NATIONAL," A POST-QUARANTINE
FAMILY REUNION.
>> LOOK, HERE IT IS.
>> GIVE ME A HUG.
>> Adrienne: A SIMPLE HUG IS
OUR "MOMENT" AS NEWFOUNDLAND AND 
LABRADOR RELAXES RESTRICTIONS.
>>> BUT UP NEXT, ROSIE IS HERE
WITH
"AT ISSUE."
>> Rosemary: ADRIENNE, AS THE
PROVINCES UNVEIL THEIR
RE-OPENING STRATEGIES IS QUÉBEC
MOVING TOO FAST COMPARED TO ITS
NEIGHBOURS?
TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
POLITICAL STAKES AND RISKS.
CHANTAL AND ANDREW AND ALTHIA
WILL JOIN ALL OF US RIGHT AFTER
THE BREAK.
(*)
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(*)
>> Rosemary: ACROSS THE
COUNTRY, PROVINCES ARE MOVING
FORWARD WITH THEIR OWN PLANS FOR
RE-OPENING, BUT THE PROVINCE
WITH THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF NEW
CASES -- QUÉBEC -- HAS BECOME A
BIT OF AN OUTLIER AND MOVING
FASTER ON SOME FRONTS THAN
OTHERS.
PREMIER FRANÇOIS LEGAULT
ADDRESSED SOME OF THAT CRITICISM
TODAY.
>> IF WE STOP OUR EFFORTS AND
THE SITUATION DOESN'T IMPROVE IN
MONTRÉAL, I WON'T HESITATE TO
PUSH BACK THE RE-OPENING.
>> Rosemary: SO HOW MUCH OF A
POLITICAL GAMBLE IS THIS FOR
QUÉBEC?
IT'S THURSDAY AND I'M HERE WITH
"AT ISSUE."
CHANTAL HEBERT IS IN MONTRÉAL.
ANDREW COYNE IS IN TORONTO.
AND ALTHIA RAJ IS HERE IN
OTTAWA.
ALL OF THEM WORKING FROM THEIR
HOMES.
OKAY, I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT
QUÉBEC BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I
UNDERSTAND -- I HEAR WHAT THE
PREMIER SAYS EVERY DAY.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT
THERE ARE DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS
OUTSIDE OF MONTRÉAL RATHER THAN
INSIDE MONTRÉAL, WHICH IS REALLY
THE EPI-CENTRE FOR THE PROVINCE
CERTAINLY.
BUT I'M STILL NOT SURE WHETHER
THIS IS TOO BIG A HEALTH RISK AS
HIS OWN PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICER
SAYS, IT'S A BIT OF A GAMBLE.
OR WHETHER THIS IS A BIG
POLITICAL
RISK FOR HIM.
SO I'LL START WITH YOU, CHANTAL,
BECAUSE YOU ARE IN MONTRÉAL.
>> IT'S BOTH.
FRANÇOIS LEGAULT HAS EARNED TOP
SCORES FOR APPROVAL FOR HIS
HANDLING OF THE CRISIS.
AND HE STILL ENJOYS I BELIEVE
THE
CONFIDENCE OF THE VAST MAJORITY
OF QUÉBECERS.
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO
TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD AS IN
QUÉBEC MAY BE MOVING FAST, BUT
IT HAS NOT MOVED YET.
AND THAT IS BEING MADE REALLY
CLEAR.
IT WILL ALWAYS BE SOMETHING OF A
GAMBLE TO DECIDE WHEN YOU DO
JUMP IN THAT WATER, THAT IS
REOPENING.
AND IT IS A FACT THAT
BEYOND THE NUMBERS THAT OUTSIDE
OF MONTRÉAL THE PANDEMIC IS VERY
MUCH UNDER CONTROL.
AND IN MONTRÉAL, THE HOTSPOTS
REALLY ARE CENTRED ON -- ON THE
OLD AGE HOMES AND LONG-TERM CARE
HOMES.
BUT FOR SURE PREMIER LEGAULT HAS
A LOT OF CAPITAL AND HE'S PUT A
HELL OF A LOT OF IT ON THE TABLE
ON THIS.
>> Rosemary: AND THE PRIME
MINISTER, ANDREW, HAS BEEN ASKED
ABOUT IT ALL THROUGH THE WEEK
AND VERY RELUCTANT -- IN PART
BECAUSE IT IS QUÉBEC, BUT MAYBE
IT WOULD BE WITH ANY PROVINCE --
TO CRITICISE OR TO SAY ANYTHING
ABOUT THE APPROACH THAT QUÉBEC
HAS TAKEN.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT HE COULD
DO OR SAY IN THIS INSTANCE?
IF WE GET TWO WEEKS DOWN THE
ROAD AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE
IT'S THE RIGHT TIME.
>> HE'S GOT RELATIVELY FEW
LEVERS.
MOST OF THIS IS WITHIN THE
PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION AND HE
WANTS TO PRESERVE THE CAPITAL
WITH THE PROVINCES AND WITH THE
PREMIERS TO CONTINUE THE KIND OF
COOPERATION AND COLLABORATION I
THINK THAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING A
FAIR BIT OF THROUGH THIS CRISIS.
AND THAT'S A GREAT ASSET FOR THE
COUNTRY.
IT DOES HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR
NEIGHBOURING PROVINCES, IF
ONE PROVINCE OR ANOTHER HAS A
RENEWED OUTBREAK BECAUSE UNLESS
WE KEEP THE BORDER SEALED
BETWEEN THE PROVINCES, WHICH IS
NOT GOOD FOR HEALTH OF THE
FEDERATION NOR THE ECONOMY, YOU
COULD SEE PEOPLE MIGRATING FROM
ONE PROVINCE TO ANOTHER AND
CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THE
NEIGHBOURING PROVINCES.
SOME RISK IS PERMISSIBLE IN
THIS.
WE -- IT WAS WORTH IT TO SHUT
DOWN THE ECONOMY TO PREVENT AN
OUT-OF-CONTROL OUTBREAK THAT
WOULD HAVE KILLED TENS OF
THOUSANDS.
IT'S NOT WORTH IT TO KEEP IT
CLOSED TO GET THE CASELOAD DOWN
TO ZERO.
WE JUST WANT TO KEEP IT
MANAGEABLE.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS IS
A SMART RISK.
AND I THINK THAT THE REMAINING
ITEM FOR CONCERN IS THAT WE DO
NOT HAVE THE TESTING CAPACITY AS
OF YET TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT
THE -- ALL OF THE EXPERTS SAY
THAT WE HAVE TO DO, WHICH IS TO
BE ABLE TO POUNCE ON EVERY CASE
THAT CROPS UP IN FUTURE.
>> Rosemary: WHAT DO YOU
THINK, ALTHIA, IS THIS A RISK --
I MEAN, NOT ONLY FROM A PUBLIC
HEALTH PERSPECTIVE BUT A
POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE HERE FOR
THE QUÉBEC PREMIER?
>> I THINK THAT THE RISK IS FOR
EVERY PREMIER WHO OPENS.
THE PREMIERS HAVE BEEN FRONT AND
CENTRE TO THE PANDEMIC RESPONSE.
SO IF IT GOES BADLY THEY WILL
FOR SURE WEAR IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IMPORTANT TO
STRESS IS THAT PREMIER LEGAULT,
FRANKLY, EVERY OTHER PROVINCIAL
PREMIER, HAVE SAID VERY CLEARLY
THAT THEY'RE TAKING BABY STEPS.
AND IF ANYTHING POPS UP THEY'RE
READY AND WILLING TO GO BACK A
FEW STEPS.
NOT JUST HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON,
BUT TO REVERSE DECISIONS AND TO
GO BACK
TO FULL LOCKDOWN.
I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE
REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO
KNOW WHY THESE DECISIONS ARE
HAPPENING AND WHAT THE RISK IS
AND WHY CAN THEY GO TO THE
BARBERSHOP BUT THEY CAN'T GO TO
THE MOVIE THEATRE?
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
>> AND THE EASING OF THE
INTERPROVINCIAL MOVEMENT IS
GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT
BECAUSE THAT IS VERY WELL
COORDINATED.
FOR EXAMPLE, QUÉBEC AND ONTARIO,
WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE BORDER
IS NOT GOING TO BE RE-OPENING
TOMORROW, FOR EXAMPLE.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, YEAH.
CHANTAL, YOU WANTED IN THERE.
GO AHEAD.
>> TWO POINTS -- I THINK THAT
POSSIBLY ONTARIO AND OTHER
PROVINCES ARE NOT UNHAPPY TO SEE
THE PREMIER WITH THE MOST
POLITICAL CAPITAL TEST THE WATER
TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
BECAUSE THE POLITICAL RISK IS
ACTUALLY REAL.
BUT THE OTHER REALITY THAT ONE
HAS TO ACKNOWLEDGE -- AND YOU
DON'T
NEED TO BE A PUBLIC HEALTH
EXPERT AT THIS POINT TO HAVE
REALISED IT, THAT PUBLIC HEALTH
EXPERTS WILL HAVE DIFFERENT
OPINIONS.
>> BUT THERE'S A RISK TOLERANCE
--
>> Rosemary: GO AHEAD, ALTHIA.
>> FOR EXAMPLE, PREMIER LEGAULT
TODAY TALKING ABOUT HOW THERE
ARE 44,000 COVID CASES IN
LONG-TERM HOMES IN THE PROVINCE.
AND BASICALLY TELLING THE
POPULATION, BRACE FOR IT, MORE
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE.
THERE WILL BE MANY, MANY, MANY
MORE DEATHS IS WHAT HE TOLD
PEOPLE.
LIKE, THAT -- MAYBE IS TOLERABLE
FOR QUÉBECERS.
BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD
NOT BE SO TOLERABLE FOR
NEWFOUNDLANDERS.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A --
THERE IS A REGIONAL DIFFERENCE
IN THERE.
PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT
PROVINCIAL LEADERS HAVE THE
ABILITY TO SAY CERTAIN THINGS
THAT OTHERS DO NOT.
>> Rosemary: I'LL LET CHANTAL
RESPOND AND THEN ANDREW TO WRAP
IT UP.
YEAH, GO AHEAD.
>> OKAY, LET'S BE REAL -- THE
WAY THAT PEOPLE HEARD PREMIER
LEGAULT ON THIS TODAY IS NOT
THAT I'M ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DIE.
IT WAS THAT THIS IS HAPPENING
AND THESE PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY
NOT BE SAFE.
WHICH IS A VERY DIFFERENT
PROPOSITION.
IT'S NOT A TOLERANCE ISSUE.
IT'S AN INFORMATION ISSUE.
AND THIS IS HAPPENING TO ALL THE 
OLDER PEOPLE, AND IT'S GOING TO
BE VERY HARD TO REVERSE
THAT CURVE IN THOSE SETTINGS.
>> Rosemary: ANDREW, DR. TAM
THIS WEEK SAID WHEN ASKED ABOUT
QUÉBEC THAT THERE WILL BE
DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT TOLERANCE
FOR RISK ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
NOT PARTICULARLY IN QUÉBEC OR
ANOTHER PLACE, BUT IT IS UP TO
PEOPLE TO MITIGATE THAT, HOW FAR
THEY'RE WILLING TO PUSH
THEMSELVES AND THEIR POPULATION.
ANDREW?
>> YEAH, THERE IS ACTUALLY SOME
POLLING DATA THAT SUGGESTS THAT
QUÉBECERS ARE A BIT MORE
TOLERANT OF OPENING UP SOONER
THAN OTHER PROVINCES.
AND THAT MAY BE PART OF THE
POLITICAL MIX AS WELL.
AND THE NEED TO TAKE SOME
CHANCES IS APPARENT BECAUSE THE
COST TO THE ECONOMY IS
ABSOLUTELY EXTRAORDINARY AND
WE'RE FINDING OUT NOW DATA ON
THAT EVERY DAY.
THAT BEING SAID, IF IT'S A
CHOICE BETWEEN GOING A LITTLE
BIT SLOWER AND DOING THE
TESTING, VERSUS
GOING A LITTLE BIT FASTER AND
HAVING TO TAKE THEM BACK, HAVING
TO PUT THE CONTROLS BACK ON, I
WOULD GO FOR THE FORMER.
THE COST IN TERMS OF PUBLIC
MORALE AND BUSINESS CONFIDENCE
OF THEM TO RE-IMPOSE CONTROLS
AFTER THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN OFF I
THINK WOULD BE ENORMOUS.
>> Rosemary: WE'LL LEAVE IT
THERE, GUYS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IF YOU WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM
THE THREE OF THESE GUYS YOU CAN
SUBSCRIBE TO "AT ISSUE" THE
PODCAST FOR EXTRA CONTENT.
THIS WEEK WE'RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT SOMETHING
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, THE
CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RACE AND
IT WAS PAUSED AND NOW IT'S BACK
ON.
LOOK FOR IT ON ANY MAJOR PODCAST
APP AND OUR WEBSITE
cbcnews.ca/thenational AND WITH
THAT BACK TO ADRIENNE AND ANDREW
IN TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: JUST AHEAD, SHE'S
OFF THE COURT BUT BIANCA
ANDREESCU IS STILL IN THE GAME.
>> I NEED SOME COFFEE.
IT DIDN'T END VERY WELL.
THERE WERE SOME GLITCHES.
>> Adrienne: WE TALK TO HER
VIRTUAL PERFORMANCE AND HER NEW
COMPETITIVE OUTLET NEXT.
>> Andrew: BUT, FIRST, AS WE
GO TO BREAK, TONIGHT'S COVID
HOW-TO GUIDE AND ADVICE AND A
REMINDER THAT IS ABOUT TO BECOME
MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER.
(*)
OVER TIME IT'S BECOME EASIER TO
CONVINCE FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO
TAKE PHYSICAL DISTANCING
SERIOUSLY, BUT IT IS A CHALLENGE
THAT WILL PROBABLY BEGIN IF
CANADIANS GET TOO COMFORTABLE
AND LET THEIR GUARD DOWN.
>> I CAN TELL YOU FROM EVERY
SHIFT THAT I WORK IN THE
EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT -- AND YOU
DON'T KNOW WHICH SIDE OF THIS
YOU'LL FALL ON.
>> Andrew: YOU DON'T KNOW,
BECAUSE NOT ALL YOUNG PEOPLE ARE
RESILIENT.
THE SAME WAY THAT NOT ALL
ELDERLY PEOPLE ARE VULNERABLE.
IF YOU GET INFECTED YOU ROLL THE
DICE.
AND WE DO KNOW THAT YOU CAN BE
INFECTED AND CONTAGIOUS WITHOUT
FEELING A SINGLE THING.
>> ONE APPROACH IS TO SORT OF
APPEAL TO THE GREATER GOOD
AND SAY, LOOK, YOU MAY NOT BE
SUSCEPTIBLE BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE
OLDER AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE
CHRONIC DISEASES AND WITH
WEAKENED IMMUNE SYSTEMS ARE, AND
YOU MIGHT EXPOSE THEM.
SO DO THIS FOR THEIR SAKE.
>> Andrew: IF WE FOLLOW BEST
PRACTICES, YES, IT WOULD HAVE
ALL FELT LIKE AN OVERREACTION,
BUT THAT'S THE POINT -- THE BEST 
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>> HI, I AM IN MY MID 40s AND
I'M A RESOURCE TEACHER WITH THE
TORONTO CATHOLIC DISTRICT SCHOOL
BOARD.
PART OF THE WORK THAT I DO IS TO
EMBRACE NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND TO
DELIVER HELP TO TEACHERS.
USING THIS 3D PRINTER WE'RE
PRODUCING PERSONAL PROTECTION
EQUIPMENT FOR OUR HEALTH CARE
WORKERS.
MY SPECIALTY IS INTEGRATING
SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY,
ENGINEERING, ART
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WE PRODUCED 50 OF THESE
HEADGEARS FOR THE MICHAEL GARON
HOSPITAL.
WE'RE A FAMILY OF FIVE AND EVERY
ROOM BECOMES A HOMEWORKSPACE.
-- HOMEWORK SPACE.
PROJECTS IN THE LIVING ROOM, 3D
PRINTING.
BUT WE DO OUR BEST TO HELP WHERE
WE CAN.
WHAT I'M HOPEFUL FOR IS THAT
PEOPLE BECOME REALLY
APPRECIATIVE OF THE FACT THAT
THEY CAN GO OUT AND SEE FAMILY
AND BE WITH FRIENDS IN PUBLIC
PLACES AND REALLY ENJOY BEING
AROUND EACH OTHER'S COMPANY.
>> Adrienne: SO TEACHING IS
JUST ONE OF THE JOBS UPENDED BY
THIS PANDEMIC.
ANOTHER?
TENNIS SUPERSTAR.
IF 2020 WAS GOING ACCORDING TO
ANYBODY'S PLAN, CANADA'S OWN
BIANCA ANDREESCU WOULD BE
PREPPING FOR A SERIOUS SUMMER OF
COMPETITION, BUT INSTEAD SHE'S
AT HOME FINDING HER OWN WAY
THROUGH THIS.
SO WE DROPPED BY VIRTUALLY TO
SAY HI.
HOW ARE YOU?
YOU LOOK GOOD!
>> SO DO YOU.
>> Adrienne: WHERE ARE YOU?
>> I'M IN MY BASEMENT.
THIS IS WHERE I LIVE NOW.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Adrienne: RIGHT ABOUT NOW
BIANCA ANDREESCU, OF GIANT
CANADIAN
TENNIS FAME, SHOULD BE WARMING
UP FOR THE MADRID OPEN.
SHE'S NOT THERE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT
THE TOURNAMENT GOES ON
VIRTUALLY.
AND IN TRUE BIANCA FORM SHE'S
ALL IN, GETTING SUITED UP IN HER
BASEMENT --
(*)
A LITTLE DRAKE WALK-ON MUSIC.
SOME FINGER EXERCISES FOR THAT
GAME CONTROL.
>> OH, MY GOD, I NEED SOME
COFFEE.
>> Adrienne: AND SOME SERIOUS
COMMENTARY ALONG WITH HER MOVES.
>> DAMN IT.
IF ONLY I COULD HIT THESE ACES
IN REAL LIFE.
YOIRK IT DIDN'T END VERY
WELL FOR YOU.
>> THERE WERE SOME GLITCHES THAT
WERE HAPPENING, BUT, I MEAN, I
GUESS THAT MY CONNECTION WAS
JUST REALLY, REALLY SHITTY OR
I'M JUST THAT BAD.
>> Adrienne: AND PRACTISING
THE REAL THING IS HARD NOW.
>> I'M NOT HITTING.
EVERYTHING IS CANCELLED.
LIKE, YOU CAN'T GO TO THE PARK
AND YOU CAN'T GO TO A TENNIS
FACILITY, YOU KNOW.
>> Adrienne: SO THERE'S NO
DRIVEWAY NEARBY THAT YOU COULD
GET ONE OF THOSE BALLS ON A
STRING AND --
[laughter]
>> I'D RATHER JUST USE MY MIND
THAN DO THAT.
>> Adrienne: THE ATHLETE IN
HER NEVER QUITS AND THERE'S A
NEW GAME WITH DAD -- CHESS.
>> DEFINITELY BRINGING LIKE THE
COMPETITIVE ASPECT OUT OF ME.
>> Adrienne: I'M A LITTLE
AFRAID FOR YOUR DAD.
>> IT'S BEEN FUN.
YOU SHOULD BE.
>> Adrienne: I KNOW.
>> BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY
DECENT.
>> Adrienne: AND SHE'S OKAY.
THANKFUL EVERY DAY, SHE SAYS,
FOR WHAT SHE HAS AND FOR THOSE
ON ALL OF THE FRONT LINES.
>> ULTIMATELY YOU ARE PROTECTING
ALL OF CANADA, SO THANK YOU.
>> Adrienne: THEY ARE TEAM
CANADA, EH?
>> THEY ARE TEAM CANADA.
>> Adrienne: SO WE SHOULD SAY
WHILE BIANCA MAY HAVE LOST THAT
ONLINE TOURNAMENT, A FAMILIAR
FACE -- ON THE MEN'S SIDE -- AND 
-- ANDY MURRAY, HE DONATED HALF
OF
HIS WINNINGS TO THE N.H.S. AND
TO A TENNIS DEVELOPMENT CHARITY.
>> Andrew: I'VE ALWAYS SAID
THAT TIME SPENT PLAYING VIDEO
GAMES IS TIME WELL SPENT.
[laughter]
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH "THE
MOMENT."
(*)
>> GIVE ME A HUG.
GIVE ME A HUG.
>> Andrew: TONIGHT IT'S
SOMETHING THAT ONCE UPON A TIME
SEEMED SO NORMAL -- A HUG FROM
GRANDMA AND GRANDPA.
(*)
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* 
 >> THIS FAMILY IN MOUNT PEARL, 
NEWFOUNDLAND ENJOYED A REUNION 
TODAY.
NOW THE CHILDREN, FIVE YEARS OLD
AND THREE YEARS OLD, THEY GOT TO
SEE THEIR GRANDPARENTS FOR THE 
FIRST TIME SINCE THE SHUTDOWN 
AND THAT'S TONIGHT'S "MOMENT".
>> GUESS WHO'S HERE?
THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE TO THEIR 
GRANDPARENTS.
THEY PROVIDED CHILD CARE FOR US 
FOR A LONG TIME, AND STILL DO.
THEY HAVE THEM TWO DAYS A WEEK.
SO TO GO COLD TURKEY WITHOUT 
SEEING THEM, IT WAS TOUGH ON ALL
OF US.
THEY'RE BEST BUDDIES.
WE'VE BEEN HAVING A COUPLE OF 
WINDOW VISITS OVER THE COURSE OF
THE LAST SEVEN WEEKS, BUT TRYING
TO EXPLAIN THAT TO A 3-YEAR-OLD 
AND 5-YEAR-OLD IS REALLY 
DIFFICULT.
>> I CAN'T BELIEVE I SAW GRANNY 
AND POP PY.
THEY'RE GONE?
>> YEAH, BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING 
TOMORROW?
>> SLEEPOVER WITH THEM.
>> Adrienne: OF COURSE, THEY 
HAVE A COOL NAME, DOUBLE BUBBLE.
OF COURSE, NEWFOUNDLAND WOULD DO
THAT.
COMING UP WITH AN IDEA OF PEOPLE
YOU WANT TO HUG IS DELICIOUS TO 
ME.
>> EXCEPT THE HARD PART IS YOU 
CAN PICK ONLY ONE OTHER 
HOUSEHOLD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MAKE THAT 
CHOICE.
>> Adrienne: IT'S EASY.
THAT IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR APRIL
30TH.
GOOD NIGHT.
>> Andrew: GOOD NIGHT.
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