
English: 
(somber music)
- This may be one of the more
important podcasts we've done.
We all know we're living in
extraordinarily intense times,
the most intense most
of us have experienced,
at least in our adult lives.
The challenge that
we're experiencing today
are as intense as we've ever seen,
and the challenge is not
only people are dying,
but people are dying alone.
Families can't visit
with their family members
because of understanding of the virus
and our concerns about
how it could spread.
And we're living in a world where,
quite frankly, we've made decisions
that are also affecting
not just the people that
have already passed away
but also are gonna affect
people in the future,
and also the ways we've
responded to this virus
are having gigantic
effects around the world.
There are people all over the world
that are having all kinds of challenges.
90% of brain surgeries haven't happened.

English: 
[Music]
Tony Robbins: This may be one of
the more important podcasts
we have done.
We all know we are living in
extraordinarily intense times,
the most intense most of us
have experienced
at least in our adult lives.
The challenges that we
are experiencing today
are as intense
as we have ever seen.
[Heartbeat sound]
And the challenge is not
only people are dying
but people are dying alone.
Families can't visit
with their family members
because of understanding
of the virus
and concerns
about how it could spread.
And we are living in a world
where quite frankly
we have made decisions
that are also affecting,
not just the people
that have already passed away,
but also are going to affect
people in the future
and also the ways we have
responded to this virus
are having gigantic effects
around the world.
[Music]
There are people all over
the world
that are having
all kinds of challenges.
90 percent of brain surgeries
haven’t happened;

English: 
I could go through a whole list,
but the feeding problem
is one of the things I'm
most concerned about,
and people moving into poverty,
which leads to deaths as well.
The World Food Organization
that the UN sponsors is saying
maybe 265 million people
might go hungry this year,
almost double what normally happens.
I wanted today to see if we could go on
kind of an exploration, if you will,
a journey, not a trip.
A trip's predictable.
A journey you might be surprised.
And I've been on a journey
because I care so much
and I know you do too.
What does this mean?
I have my own parents
that are my mother and father in law,
but they're in their 70s.
I adore them and
obviously extreme concern,
so I started to immerse myself
in every detail I could
find on the science of this.
And as I did,
I came across a set of
doctors, Nobel Prize winners,
professors of epidemiology,
some of the most qualified
people in the world
that we're bringing up new
facts that we have today
that are very different
than we made the decisions

English: 
I can go through
the whole list,
but the feeding problem
is one of the things
I am most concerned about
and people moving into poverty
which leads to deaths as well.
[Music]
The World Food Organization
that the UN sponsors is saying
maybe 265 million people
might go hungry this year,
almost double
what normally happens.
[Music]
I wanted today to see
if we could go
on a kind of an exploration,
if you will, a journey,
not a trip;
a trip is predictable, a journey
you might be surprised,
and I have been on a journey
because I care so much
and I know you do too,
but what does this mean,
I have my own parents,
they are my mother
and father-in-law,
but they are in their 70s,
I adore them
and obviously extreme concern.
So I started to immerse myself
in every detail
I could find
on the science of this,
and as I did I came across
a set of doctors,
Nobel Prize winners,
professors of epidemiology,
some of the most
qualified people in the world
that were bringing up
new facts that we have today
that are very different

English: 
to shut down the world economy.
Science is about
as new facts come forward
make new decisions,
but sometimes the momentum
of the story and the fear takes us over.
- I think cases become a big
issue for clinical reasons.
Unfortunately, there's a
huge amount of politics
in all of this everywhere.
I think that, unfortunately,
science is difficult
and you can't make promises,
and I think that there was a dynamic here
and a dynamic which I
found very anti-scientific
that lead to decisions being made.
The World Health Organization
has a record of exaggerating
and I think they do this deliberately
because they fear that the
public won't pay attention.
The total number of excess deaths
reported by a website called EuroMOMO
up till today is 160,000, maybe 170,000.
Basically that's about
the same number of people

English: 
than when we made the decisions
to shut down the world economy.
[Music]
Now, science is about,
as new facts come forward,
make new decisions,
but sometimes the momentum
of the story
and the fear takes us over.
Dr. Michael Levitt: I think
cases become a big issue
for political reasons.
Unfortunately, there is
a huge amount of politics
in all of this everywhere,
you know,
I think that unfortunately
science is difficult
and you can't be partisan
and I think that there was
a dynamic here
and a dynamic which I found
very antiscientific
that led to decisions
being made.
The World Health Organization
has a record of exaggerating
and I think they do
this deliberately
because they feel that
the public won't pay attention.
The total number
of excess deaths
reported by a website
called EuroMOMO up till today
is 160,000, maybe 170,000.
Basically that’s about
the same number of people

English: 
who died in an excess way
in the flu season of 2017, '18.
So basically my guess is it's going to be
maybe one and a half
times more excess deaths.
Excess deaths are very important
because if I'm very sick
and then I'm laid with a corona death
that's fine, except I
won't die again next month.
So basically if you
look at the total deaths
each person is only counted once,
whereas if you assume that
everyone who dies of corona
is extra, you're overcounting.
- One of the challenges is
that when people were looking
at all the numbers that
were coming out of the TV
and they were doing the death rate,
the case fatality rates,
they were looking really,
and this is, I'll call it
a rookie 101 mistake in epidemiology,
in that you don't take the incident rate
to figure out the case fatality,
you look at the prevalence.
And it was stunning to
me that all the media
would put on these so called experts
and not raise this issue

English: 
who died in an excess way
in the flu season of 2017-18.
So basically my guess
is it's going to be
maybe one-and-a-half times
more excess death,
excess deaths are very
important,
because if I...
if I am very sick
and then I am labeled
as a corona death,
that’s fine, except I won't
die again next month.
So basically if you look
at the total deaths,
each person
is only counted once,
whereas if you assume
that everyone who dies of corona
is extra,
you are over counting.
Dr. Alan Preston: One
of the challenges
is that when people were
looking at all the numbers
that were coming
out of the TV
and they were doing the death
rate, the case fatality rates,
they were looking really...
and this is a,
I... I will call it a Rookie
101 mistake in epidemiology
in that you don't take
the incident rate
to figure out case fatality,
you look at the prevalence.
And it was stunning to me
that all the media
would put on these
so-called experts and...

English: 
as to why the case fatality rate
is just completely and
absolutely overstated.
Yes, we as citizens need to be responsible
and we need to think about what we do
and how it impacts those around us,
but we shouldn't be so fearful
that we decide to live in a bubble
and hermetically seal our home
in hopes that we never get
anymore diseases ever again.
That's just nonsense.
- I would submit that we're
pivoting towards a time now
where we have to ask ourselves questions
about who are we, what is our country,
are we losing personal liberties,
if we're going to use contact tracing,
what does that look like?
Does that look like
voluntary use of our form
or is it gonna be involuntary?
Are there gonna be drones
that swoop and watch us?
We need to be very careful
because in the end, when
we're all said and done,
we're looking at a respiratory virus,
a single-stranded RNA virus.
We've dealt with these before.
And we know that 40 to
50% of people who get it

English: 
and not raise this issue
as to why the case fatality rate
is just completely
and absolutely overstated.
Yes, we... we as citizens
need to be responsible
and we need to be...
think about what we do and how
it impacts those around us,
but we shouldn’t
be so fearful
that we decide
to live in a bubble
and hermetically
sell our home in hopes
that we never get
any more diseases ever again.
That’s just nonsense.
Sen. Scott Jensen, M.D.: 
I would submit
that we are pivoting
towards a time now
where we have to ask
ourselves questions about,
who are we,
what is our country,
are we losing
personal liberties,
if we are going
to use contact tracing,
what does that look like,
does that look like voluntary
use of our phone,
or is it going
to be involuntary,
are there going to be drones
that swoop and watch us.
We need to be very careful,
because in the end
when all said and done
we are looking
at a respiratory virus,
a single-stranded RNA virus,
we have dealt with these before
and we know that
40-50 percent of people

English: 
may not even know they had it.
We know another 40, 50% that get it
will skate through it.
We know that we're probably gonna,
at the end of the day, end up somewhere
between one out of 1,000
patients dying from it.
- It's interesting because when I was
doing the research originally,
I remember in late February
I was watching everyday
because I'm concerned
that the death rate
shot up 600% in one day,
and I'm no epidemiologist, but
that didn't make any sense,
I'm talking about the world death rate.
And then I dug in and
finally found the labs
that said they could change
the diagnostic procedure
to no longer having to do a test
since as late as February,
and that's why the number of
deaths shot through the roof
because anything they suspected as COVID,
they listed as COVID.
And then a few weeks
ago, as I know you know,
the CDC made it formal in the US
that you don't need to do a test,
just if you suspect it.
But there's actually even,
as I understand from you,
economic incentives by the hospitals
'cause some have been reclassified
as COVID-19 deaths after the fact,
and what is that financial
incentive they'll share with us?

English: 
who get it may not
even know they had it.
We know another 40 percent,
50 percent that get it
will skate through it.
We know that we are
probably going to
at the end of the day end up
somewhere between one out of a
thousand patients dying from it.
Tony Robbins: It's interesting
because when I was doing
the research originally,
I remember in late February,
I was watching everyday
because I am concerned
that the death rate shot up
600 percent in one day,
and I am no epidemiologist,
but that didn’t make any sense;
I am talking about
the world death rate.
And then I dug in and finally
found the little asterisk
that said they changed
the diagnostic procedure
to no longer having
to do a test;
this is as late as February
and that that’s why the number
of deaths shot through the roof,
because anything they suspected
is COVID, they listed at COVID,
and then a few weeks ago
I know you know
and the CDC made it formal
in the US
that you don't need to do a test
just if you suspect it.
But there is actually,
even as I understand from you,
economic incentives
by the hospitals
and some have been
reclassified as COVID-19 deaths
after the fact and what is
that a financial incentive
if you will share with us.
Sen. Scott Jensen, M.D.: We were
basically being advised

English: 
- We were basically being
advised as physicians
as to how to correctly
complete a death certificate
if COVID-19 was involved directly
or perhaps even presumptively or probably
or peripherally involved.
I was coached and massaged
to utilize COVID-19
as a factor in the causation of death
even if I hadn't checked a COVID-19 test,
even if I hadn't had an interest in one.
And right around that time,
Dr. Burks from Washington, D.C. was saying
that nobody's going to die with COVID-19,
if they have it, they're dying of it.
And that was about a silly
a thing as I have heard
because if a person gets hit by a bus
and over the first two hours
of examination in an emergency room
we learn that both of
their lungs are collapsed
but also some baseline laboratory works
addressed the fact that
there was a low hemoglobin
but also a COVID-19 test
happened to be positive
in the PCR form of it,
it would be absolutely
ridiculous to put down COVID-19.
On the one hand, part of my life
is in the trenches
practice and primary care

English: 
as physicians
as to how to correctly
complete a death certificate
if COVID-19 was
involved directly
or perhaps even presumptively
or probably
or peripherally involved.
I was coached and massaged
to utilize COVID-19
as a factor
in the causation of death
even if I hadn't checked
a COVID-19 test,
even if I hadn't had
an interest in one.
And right around that time
Dr. Birx from Washington DC
was saying that nobody
is going to die with COVID-19;
if they have it,
they are dying of it,
and that was about as silly
a thing as I had heard,
because if a person
gets hit by a bus
and over the first two hours of
examination in an emergency room
we learn that both
of their lungs are collapsed,
but also some baseline
laboratory works
addressed the fact
that there was a low hemoglobin,
but also a COVID-19 test
happened to be positive
in the PCR form of it,
it would be absolutely
ridiculous to put down COVID-19.
On the one hand,
part of my life
is in the trenches
practicing primary care

English: 
and then I come down
to the capital
where I see this partisan battle
for power and...
and the best way
to power sometimes
is to keep people frightened
and then tell them who to blame,
and after you have
done enough of that,
then sort of step up
and raise your hand and say,
but follow me,
I will take care of you,
that's sort of a typical formula
in the world of politics.
And I think sometimes
when these things happen
we don’t recognize them
at the time, it's...
it’s when we look at them
through the retrospective scope.
So I really think
the crisis is pivoting.
Dr. Michael Roizen: If you look
at the case fatality rate,
the number of people
who die who get it,
it's over three percent
when you get to 70 and over,
that’s a real risk.
Tony Robbins: Yes.
Dr. Michael Roizen: You look at
60 and under,
it's less than two-tenths
of one percent
or about less
than twice the flu,
but really what
you need to do
is protect people
who are over the age of 70.
Protect them from the risk
they would have
if they were exposed
to the virus,
because they are in that

English: 
and then I come down to the capital
where I see this partisan
battle for power.
And the best way to power
sometimes is to keep people frightened
and then tell 'em who to blame,
and after you've done enough of that
then sort of step up and
raise your hand and say
but follow me, I'll take care of you.
That's sort of a typical formula
in the world of politics.
And I think sometimes
when these things happen,
we don't recognize them at the time,
it's when we look at them
through the retrospectiscope,
so I really think the crisis is pivoting.
- If you look at the case fatality rate,
the number of people who die who get it,
it's over 3% when you get to 70 and over.
That's a real risk.
- [Tony] Yes.
- Look at 60 and under,
it's less than 2/10 of 1%,
or about less than twice the flu,
but really what you need to do
is protect people who
are over the age of 70.
Protect them from the risk they would have
if they were exposed to the virus

English: 
'cause they're in that 3 to 5% death rate
from getting the disease.
On the other hand, most of the economy
is driven by younger people, 95 to 97%,
and they don't need to be protected.
We made that mistake early on
in looking at the data from China
and we will probably
come back and regret it,
but you could really
open up the whole economy
and not have much increase in the risk.
The problem is without the economy open,
we're having more deaths of despair
than we are deaths from the COVID virus.
- Now what we're seeing is
the collateral damage of COVID
is way outweighing the disease itself.
I can tell you about
suicide cases personally,
23-year-old.
I can tell you about anxiety,
depression, alcoholism,
all in my community that
are sky-rocketing now
because of COVID.
So I think the conversation
has to switch now
to how do we get the economy going again

English: 
three to five percent
death rate from...
from getting the disease.
On the other hand,
most of the economy is in...
driven by younger people.
95-97 percent and they don’t
need to be protected.
We made that mistake early on
in looking at the...
the data from China
and we will probably
come back and regret it,
but “you could really open up
the whole economy
and not have much increase
in the risk.”
“The problem is,
without the economy open,
we’re having more
“deaths of despair”
than we are deaths
from the COVID virus.”
Dr. Dan Erickson: Now...
now what we’re seeing
is the collateral
damage of COVID
is way outweighing
the disease itself.
I can tell you about suicide
cases personally, 23-year-old,
I can tell you about anxiety,
depression, alcoholism,
all in my community
that are skyrocketing now
because of COVID.
So I think
the conversation has to...
to switch now to how do
we get the economy going again

English: 
because the collateral damage
of the economy shutdown
is becoming far worse
than the virus itself.
- We took a Hippocratic Oath to do no harm
and to tell the truth
and we looked at our numbers and we had
some of Stanford's
preliminary data was out.
We were looking at these different studies
and we're saying
the epidemiology of this
disease is similar to flu.
And have we ever shut down for flu before?
We haven't.
Does it make sense to
shut down the economy,
to have folks not have work,
not be able to support their families?
Influenza is a very dangerous disease.
I've had folks in their 30s
and 40s die from influenza
when I used to work in the ER,
so as Dr. Erickson said
influenza is very serious,
but we are familiar with influenza,
so we say it's just a flu.
So whenever you have something

English: 
because the collateral
damage of the...
of the economy shutdown
is becoming far worse
than the virus itself.
Dr. Artin Massihi: We... we took
a Hippocratic oath
to do no harm and to...
to tell the truth
and we looked at our numbers
and we had some of Stanford's
preliminary data was out
and we’re looking
at these different studies
and we’re saying,
well, this...
the epidemiology of this disease
is similar to flu,
and have we ever shut down
for flu before?
We... we haven't.
Does it make sense
to shut down the economy,
to have folks, you know,
not have work,
not be able to support
their families?
The influenza is
a very dangerous disease;
I have had folks in their 30s
and 40s die from influenza
when I used to work in the ER,
so has Dr. Erickson,
influenza is very serious,
but we...
we are familiar with influenza,
so we say it's just the flu.
So whenever you have something
that you are unfamiliar with,
you have lots of fear

English: 
and then trying to change
people’s narrative,
their... their... their...
their mindset
with new data
is very, very difficult
because they have
that old mindset.
Dr. Eran Bendavid: I am an
infectious physician and my...
my some understanding of
and I also do disease modeling
and my understanding is,
you know, this...
a disease like this
sort of spreads
but, you know, quite widely,
and you know,
and so the numbers, you know,
didn’t quite add up.
So that’s why we...
we put that study together
and... and you know what...
we sampled a group of well
over 3,000 people,
we use a test kit
that right now has been,
you know,
vetted very carefully
and we know exactly what,
you know, what it tells us.
One thing that I was hoping
with...
that our study would do is...
is reduce that uncertainty,
you know, we are living
with such an anonymous
amount of uncertainty
and I think that uncertainty
was really getting,
you know,
getting people worked up,
and you know, like...
like many here, I wish...
I wish this were not
a political issue,

English: 
that you're unfamiliar
with, you have lots of fear,
and then trying to change
people's narrative,
their mindset,
with new data is very, very difficult
because they have that old mindset.
- I'm an infectious disease physician,
and my sort of understanding,
and not also disease modeling,
my understanding is a disease like this
spreads quite widely
and so the numbers didn't quite add up.
So that's why we put that study together.
And we sampled a group
of well over 3000 people.
We used a test kit that by now
has been vetted very carefully
and we know exactly what it tells us.
One thing that I was hoping
that our study would do
is reduce that uncertainty.
We were living with such an
enormous amount of uncertainty
and I think that uncertainty
was really getting people worked up.
And like many here,
I wish this were not a political issue,

English: 
I wish this were an area
where we could come together
and say okay we need to
count all false deaths
because the coding is not
something that is reliable.
We need to understand
the issue about immunity.
We need to understand the issue
about the age distribution
and the differences across ages.
And these are some of
the very key priorities
that will help us really
learn how to deal with it.
We have to start wrapping our head around
making decisions in a more informed way.
- The whole purpose of
this is to honor those
that have already put their
lives on the line for us,
so many doctors and nurses.
I cry just thinking about it.
So many police officers, first responders,
people driving trucks so that we can
still have our livelihood and our life
and be with our families
that get taken for granted.
I know most of you don't
take them for granted,
but I hope in the midst of this
we don't lose track of all
that they've done for us.
Please remember we human beings
are pretty damn resilient.

English: 
I wish this were, you know,
an area where we can come
together
and say, okay, we need to count
all false deaths
because, you know,
the coding is...
is not something
that is reliable.
You know, we need...
we need to understand
the issue about immunity,
we need to understand
the issue about,
you know, the age distribution
and the differences across ages.
And these, you know, these are
some of the very key priorities
that will help us really know
to learn how to deal with that.
We have to start putting,
wrapping our head around
and making decisions
in a more informed way.
Tony Robbins: The whole purpose
of this is to honor those
that have already
put their lives on lives over
so many doctors
and nurses.
I cried thinking about it,
so many police officers,
first responders, you know,
people driving trucks
so that we can still have
our livelihood and our life
to be with our families
that get taken for granted
and mostly don’t take them
for granted
but I hope
in the midst of this
we don’t lose track of
all they have done for us.
Please remember, we human beings
are pretty damn resilient,

English: 
we have been around
two hundred thousand years,
we have experienced
every kind of change
in the environment,
every kind of microbe,
every kind of challenge
you could imagine,
here we still stand for better
or worse hope we get better.
And just remember, life,
it’s meant to be lived,
and sometimes we can get
overcome by the drama
by what we see in here
every moment
and by dealing
with real challenges
that we forget that this life
is still meant to be lived,
so whether it would be winter,
spring, summer or fall,
whether it be tough times
or good times
I hope you will find gratitude
enjoying life
with the people
that you love
and you will continue to grow
and continue to expand,
doesn’t matter
what happens economically,
what happens
in the environment,
there is a quality of life
waiting to be lived
and enjoyed by you by just
lining things to be grateful for
in the midst
of the challenge.
That’s I think
how we stay resilient,
that’s how we keep
moving forward,
that’s how we serve
our children,
our family and our friends.
So live fully,
live with passion.
And hopefully until
we meet again, God bless you!

English: 
We've been around 200,000 years.
We've experienced every kind
of change in the environment,
every kind of microbe,
every kind of challenge you could imagine,
and here we still stand
for better or worse,
hopefully for better.
And just remember life
is meant to be lived.
And sometimes we can get overcome
by the drama by what we
see and hear every moment
and by dealing with real
challenges that we forget
that this life is still meant to be lived.
So whether it be winter,
spring, summer, fall,
whether it be in tough
times or good times,
I hope you'll find
gratitude and joy and love
with the people that you love
and you'll continue to grow
and continue to expand.
So no matter what happens economically,
what happens in the environment,
there's a quality of life
waiting to be lived and enjoyed by you
by just finding things to be grateful for
in the midst of challenge.
That's I think how we stay resilient,
that's how we keep
moving the ball forward,
that's how we serve our children,
our family, and our friends.
So live fully, live with passion,
and hopefully until we
meet again, God bless.

English: 
(soft tender music)

English: 
[Music]
