- I understand that.
- [Ben] But do what you wanna do,
it's a free country.
And it should be a free country.
Not just it is a free country,
it should be a free country.
It should not be my job
to police your personal behavior.
- [Joe] Right, right.
- It doesn't mean I have to
approve it on a personal level.
- [Joe] Right.
- But I'm a jerk if I want
to impose my belief system
on your personal behavior
that affects no one else,
I mean that's the definition
of being an ass.
- I understand that.
And 'cause you are a reasonable person
and you do, you're very polite.
You're even friends with Dave Reuben,
so there you go.
There's gotta be--
(laughs)
- [Barron Cruz] A few hours ago,
a buddy of mine text me
that Ben Shapiro was on
the Rogan Show Live and I
just finished watching it.
Epic.
Highly suggest you watch the whole thing
after you watch this video.
I'll put a link in the description below.
But at the end of this video,
I'm gonna make it nice and short.
It's like a three hour interview
but I'm going to focus on two things.
You're gonna understand these two things
by the end of the video.
Number one,
I'm gonna explain a
technique, a social technique
that Rogan uses and then
you're gonna be able to use
as well once you understand it.
That lets you level the playing
field when you're dealing
with people who are really
hard to be in verbal combat,
like Shapiro, he's been
debating for years.
Super smart guy, I think he's an attorney.
I mean he's basically famous
for being impenetrable in debate.
So Rogan knew that going
in, and I'm gonna show you
the technique that he used
to level the playing field.
And number two, Shapiro.
This guy, as I just said,
is one of the best debaters
out there right now.
He has incredible control
over his communication.
But I'm gonna show you,
he lets a tell leak
and a tell is just basically a sign
that he's not telling the
truth or he's not confident.
About less than one percent of the time,
he'll say something he's not confident in
and it's very clear and obvious.
I'm gonna point out
the things that he does
to tell that he's not telling the truth.
It's just really interesting to point out.
Now, why are we doing this?
I wanna explain this to you
so you can feel socially
confident yourself
and understanding these
behind the scenes forces
of social interaction
is a great way to do it.
That's what you can expect to
learn here at this channel.
So I want you to watch this clip of Rogan
and see if you yourself
can pick out the technique
that Rogan is doing to
help control the frame,
control the conversation
and level the playing field.
- On marijuana are not
addicted to marijuana.
And the same way with alcohol,
and it's for alcohol as well.
- There's people that
are going to be addicted
to almost anything.
I think there's absolutely people
that are addicted to sugar,
for sure people that are addicted
to nicotine, and alcohol,
and all those things we let people have.
- The material addictiveness
of marijuana is not comparable
to opioids though, for example.
- It's not even comparable
to alcohol or nicotine.
It seems to be very rare when people
become physically addicted
to it, extremely rare.
What's common though, is abuse.
It's common in everything
that human beings consume.
Abuse is common,
as we said, with food,
certainly common with alcohol,
it's certainly common with pills--
- This is why--
- [Barron] Okay what did
you notice in the clip?
Did you pick anything out of
Rogan's behavior communication?
What does he know about Shapiro?
First of all, he really
likes and respects the guy.
He see things differently
from him but he often comments
about how much respect and
how reasoned his opinions are,
so he's got that goin' for him.
He knows he's a pro
level debater and orator,
and he also knows that a lot
of times he comes in talking
like an auctioneer who's
dippin' espresso beans.
This guy talks so fast and
his intensity is so high
that it just completely shuts people down.
People with ideas that have
things to say to respond to him,
they just get overwhelmed
by the intensity.
He knows this so what does he do?
Joe Rogan talks so slow,
a lot of um's and ah's,
he's very, very calm and he pauses a lot.
So he's got a slow tempo,
a slow, low tone of voice,
and a calm delivery.
And what this does,
is it makes Shapiro seem out of place
if he tries to get worked up like that.
'Cause if I'm talking
to you nice and calm,
how was your day, partner?
And you come back to,
oh it was fantastic.
I was driving down the interstate.
It sounds weird and people watching that
or the person you're talking
to feels that's weird.
You're kinda forced, socially,
to at least come close to
where the other person is at
with their communication.
So Rogan, listen, Rogan's
usually a pretty chill,
calm guy but he slows it down
even more in this interview
to bring that dynamic into
play to kinda keep the reigns
on Shapiro, to prevent
him from just completely
getting off the track and
going a hundred miles an hour.
Another thing I'll point
out that you might not know,
is typically Rogan
converses with these guys
sometimes for an hour
before they start recording.
And by doing that...
I think the biggest reason is just
to make people calm so when
he goes, "We're rolling",
they don't get all fidgety
and super weird and awkward and nervous.
But in this instance,
it's likely that he established
that frame beforehand
because right when they start,
you can see that Shapiro doesn't have
his typical super high,
laser eyed intensity.
Okay, inspector, let's see
if you can spot the tell
before I break it down to ya.
I'm gonna show you this clip of Shapiro
and see if you notice anything different
from his usual communication
that might be telling
that he's not confident
in what he's saying.
- You don't have any miracles?
- No, no, not by Jesus.
- No?
- But do you got one?
- Then there was
the Old Testament.
Yeah you got Moses splitting
the sea and all that.
- What do ya think happened there?
- What do I think happened there?
- [Joe] Yeah.
- I'll go with the Maimonidean explanation
that there was a--
I mean it says in the Bible,
there was a strong east wind.
So, there's a naturalistic explanation for
a physical phenomenon.
- That makes sense.
- I mean, that's what
Maimonides is constantly trying
to do, is read nature back into the Bible.
- [Joe] Hmm.
Yeah.
- [Barron] There were three things.
Did you notice any of 'em?
Alright, if you wanna have a little fun,
put in the comments below,
put what you see before I go through 'em.
I'd be interesting to hear what you guys
think the tells are.
You can pause this and
put that in right now
and pop back on if you want.
So the first thing he did
and he never does this
'cause his brain works so fast,
he acted like he didn't hear what he said.
- What do you think happened there?
- What do I think happened there?
- [Joe] Yeah.
- [Barron] He repeated what Rogan said,
and the reason he did it,
do you think he didn't hear him?
He's wearing five
thousand dollar headphones
at the absolute perfect audio level.
Of course he heard what he said,
what was he doing?
Buying himself some time.
That's a tough question.
He prides himself as a very logical person
and Rogan asked him,
well what happened when the seas parted?
If there's a logical explanation,
it wasn't a miracle.
So he buys himself some time
by repeating the question.
It's actually a strategy that
people will teach in debate.
If you need more time to
think something through
by repeating the question,
typically very slowly,
it buys you a lot of time.
Then the second thing is his answer.
His answer is, I don't know,
maybe the seas parted from
a strong east wind.
The Bible said there
was a strong east wind.
What did he do when he was saying that?
- What do I think happened there?
[Joe] Yeah.
- Well I'll go with
Maimonidean explanation
that there was a--
I mean it says in the Bible
there was a strong east wind.
- [Barron] He's shaking his head.
It's inconsistent, it's incongruent.
His body is telling him,
no, I'm not confident in what I'm saying.
That's actually a sign that they use,
like in FBI when they're
breaking things down.
Incongruent, when things don't match up.
When you're saying, yes I loved it
and you're shaking your head.
Oh there was a strong east wind,
you're shaking your head.
It's an internal tell
that you're not competent.
And then the last thing he did
is he immediately transitioned
to something else,
so as opposed to just answering it.
Oh the Bible said there
was a strong east wind
that might have parted the ocean.
Instead of doing that,
he goes straight into something else.
- That there was a--
I mean it says in the Bible
there was a strong east wind.
So, there's a naturalistic explanation
for a physical phenomenon.
- That makes sense.
- That's what Maimonides is
constantly trying to do is
read nature back into the Bible.
- [Joe] Hmm.
Yeah.
- [Barron] So he says
there's a strong east wind,
it's a naturalistic expression
for a physical phenomena.
Rogan is just kinda like, whatever.
Actually I'll touch on this for a minute.
What Rogan does right there is really,
it's a very professional thing to do.
As he's going through that,
clearly Rogan doesn't believe
that a strong east wind parted the ocean.
So he's just goin',
ah, yeah that makes sense, yeah.
And to get off of that topic,
Shapiro immediately goes into more
about naturalistic explanations
and things like that,
rather than going back to the question.
It's just typically life
if you ask me something
that I didn't want to answer,
it's very common for me
to answer it really quick.
Oh yeah that was a kinda slow
hundred time I put in there,
say what about that weather out there?
That's a very ridiculous example
but people tend to try to
bring up other threads of
conversation to get off one
that they don't want and
that's what he was doing
in that third thing.
Now what if Rogan wasn't
such a nice guy and he said,
oh yeah it was a strong east wind
that might have parted the sea
and Rogan was like yeah,
whatever man, you're a dummy.
Or something like that.
Something that happens,
more people are like that than Rogan.
Most people don't have that
really nice sophistication
social skill.
That happens, even at the workplace,
people get made fun of,
oh look at this guy,
he's dressed like a dummy.
A lot of people, Big Ben Shapiro,
probably have something
sharp to come back with
but a lot of people don't.
A lot of times, people feel
unconfident going in situations
where people may make fun of them.
Maybe there's someobody at the office
who's known to poke fun at people,
and they're not completely
confident about that.
If you want to take the quiz,
I actually just set up a
quiz where I go through,
I'm gonna make fun of
you through the screen
and we'll see if you could
come up with a good defense
that'll get a rating at
the end to see how you do.
So if you're interested in that,
I'll put a link in the
description below as well.
You can go to TrashTalkQuiz.com
or you can touch
this little I circle in the
upper right hand corner.
YouTube calls it a card and
it'll take you right there.
If you haven't seen
this video of your boy,
Ben Shapiro going up against Bill Maher,
now they really go at it.
It's a little bit of a
different dynamic than
the kind man, Joe Rogan.
If you wanna see that,
you can click right
here and I'll talk to ya
in that video now.
