

Life Infinite

Published by Jean-Nichol Dufour at smashwords

Copyright 2011 Jean-Nichol Dufour

Flower Edition

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DREAMS ANY TIME OF THE DAY

7-LIFE INFINITE

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First things first

This is part 4 of a suite forming the book "A Flower To Life". I decided to make it available that way because it is too long or too big for most book sites on the net. So I separated the book as a suite for free distribution on Smashwords, and nobody except me touches the text until the included Flower edition. This part 4 is flowered and can be used as a profit source in the sole eventuality of paper publishing for a back together edition. That is, as long as there remain a freely and easily available digital version of my latest flower version and any subsequent adequate developments. The same for serious TV or game productions; I want any such aspect taken independently, in top level adequacy. I understand marketing and investments, but this is different, so if related profits are to be made, they must be for the spirit; they can remain on production side as long as nobody gets rich, that's the farthest I can go, then it goes either in a foundation ideally or in my pockets alternatively, because nobody's supposed to get richer than me from this, logically... Contracts with a publisher can only be broken if there a place where my profile, my latest flower version and the work from the contract remain easily available freely, in integrity of form, forever, even if a transfer of platform becomes necessary. I want an independent source free because I know this will be a unique and rare artefact, and I don't want anybody to take total control of it after I'm dead. I accept that people make non contract variation of it if it's not for bad intents or profits.

My work is about starting over from scratch, so it covers a vast range of hard philosophical, spiritual, personal, psychological, political and fundamental universal interdimensional matrix subjects, and gaining all round competence with all that will require lots of time and quite a few updates to get right, particularly with the style I have chosen. While some, I wonder who, will argue about my style, I believe I have chosen the fastest and best route to get my arguments read by a maximum of people. And one last thing, up to the included flower edition, all my work is free of external influence that I know of (maybe except gods); it is all the invention, imagination and deductions of someone who was curious and interested in science when young, had to deal with religious resentment a little, did a bit of military, learned a bit of technology, discovered his inadequacy, got himself a spirituality, and finally a nice mentality, after losing all sociability... All that has arisen from forming my opinions as I experienced reality and kept a general interest on everything, easily available to anybody, but TV, and I still manage not to read the bible, nothing on the mind, no book on psychology or philosophy in my library that don't exist, in my home that don't exist, and internet searches may be limited to a few details.

DREAMS ANY TIME OF THE DAY

I Dream a lot, and I'm sure I have no specific moment for dreaming, contrary to what some specialist says; I can dream minutes after falling asleep, or in the morning, I even feel I'm dreaming in deep sleep. Here's one I made this afternoon while napping, in which I was a zombie...

It is a ravaged land where farmers tried to grow stuff, and there is this patch of green grass over my cadaver. A farmer digs me out, and then I see myself strolling through people as a zombie, they are not scared but they don't like when I get near because I got the bad habit of having an arm forever up, and it only go down to slap people on the head. So you can guess they don't like it and they steer away from me, but I can't do otherwise as I'm kind of out of control slowly attracted to slapping people. I even go in a beautiful wooden bar to take a drink, but I can't sit down and as soon as someone enters, there I go trying to slap him on the head. Then there is some kind of switch in time where I seem to run around the world in extreme fast forward to become a living, and I end up strolling through masses of people as myself doing speeches standing on a big white beef. I'm not riding it, I'm standing on it, side facing, while it walks, and I'm very stable, almost like I'm floating, and I make speeches to people like that. For now I'm very preoccupied by something that is scaring the beef, and everybody, including me, is on a quest to find what it is. I eventually discover a small worm looking like a snail with 3 balls in his belly lengthwise, I get a strange flashback about it growing within a millisecond to fist size worm looking like a ladybug larvae then back to small size as fast. There is a woman beside me and I point at the strange snail and ask if it is possible that it is the culprit, she answer that's entirely possible and I wake up.

I like my dreams, and the time of the day or the "profundity" of my sleep changes nothing to the fact that I dream or not. Here are a few interesting ones I made recently, since I stopped writing them on pieces of paper.

Sniping the sultan

There is this one about me being an old bomber pilot; the whole dream is in black and white (grey) except the red in it. I'm the personal pilot of a sultan, or something important with a black beard, and I drive him around in a big plane. He is like the dictator of a country, living in a sumptuous castle and I'm kind of a prince but I don't seem to care about politics; I just drive the man and his friends to oriental places, and between trips I sit down to read some piece of book I always carry with me. We go there to increase commerce and have better relations with them but I don't seem to care. The sultan continually courts a very beautiful oriental woman and he invites her to our place which she accepts.

Once back, I get out of the plane to go sit outside under the sun and continue with my book when she approaches me even if I don't care about her. Then she is saying something to the effect that she have been waiting to meet me for a long time, she sits beside me and I open the book at some pages to kick sentences with my finger in the air where they turn and float away in slow motion. Then we make love (nothing explicit) and while doing it we talk about some plan where I must wait for a sign from her part to do some actions, later. The sign is a simulation of the flapping wings of a bird you get by crossing your hands and moving your fingers.

Next thing I know, I'm attending a big ceremony in the steps of the "castle". The front of the castle is a vast expanse of stairs leading to the entrance of it. There are two talking points along the plain of stairs, one very high and one very low. There are people to the end of sight everywhere with the sultan in the high talking point with his friends while I'm in the lower one. When I turn around, the effect is quite spectacular; it's like the castle is standing on a mountain of people. We are watching the ceremony on a gigantic screen of the first oriental woman to be in position of power there, and ho and behold, it is my new girlfriend. It's a red overloaded ceremony and when she finally sits down, she slowly crosses her hands over her breast and start flapping them away. I turn around in full camouflage now, with the biggest sniper in existence, a multi meters long thing mounted on legs, with a net over it, I can't miss with that. I get a zooming in from far away in the throng of people with me as a little point in it, everybody have suddenly stopped shouting and applauding. For a few seconds, while the image slowly accelerates to (it is evident from any distance that I'm gonna do something "bad") a maximum effect position; it is total silence. Then everybody start applauding and shouting for me this time, and BAM! The sultan is immortalized in my brain with a twisted expression of surprise in black and white and a long spurt of blood in the air behind!

The wraith

This is a land I visited a few times; it is a forest of high trees on a somewhat clean canopy where the sun don't pierce in. There are a few camps and structures there, one on the ground on a rising slope I marked as mine I think, I think there is a lake far in front, a barn somewhere too, some other camp complex high on a tree, everything is old. There are a few ways to get there, but I won't describe those as it is really a very vast place. I've been maybe 5 times there is what I feel, sometimes with younger friends like I'm a teacher or watcher of the place, and I get quests that always takes place on this same spot.

I feel someone is entering my camps and fooling around my lands while I'm away, I feel his tracks, met a vast area to the end of sight of chopped trees aligned under the blasting sun, enough to start an industry. I think the shock ended that dream, but I made another one where I felt his track again to the barn, entered it and saw that the top floor was being renovated with plywood. I went up and studied every detail of the work to deduct I had a powerful enemy with a grave weakness as everything was well done except in the middle; I jumped there and passed through.

I was with a kid lately and we wanted to go in an old camp in a tree I had seen before but couldn't reach. My friend stayed on the ground while I successfully entered with acrobatics. Nobody has been here for years, there is a long counter with old tree mushes and rusted equipment. I see a blanket in a corner; I'm scared I'll find a skeleton under, but nothing. I feel something is wrong, so I go look down out the door and I don't see my friend, I shout as hard as I can without receiving an answer. I'm not happy about that so I jump hard on the floor and the whole camp crashes down with me. I search in the pile of debris, there are a few weapons, an old 12, a few long knives, and there is one beast of a mace mounted on a long bramble, one time and a half longer than a baseball bat, the tip is a 3 sided or T formed mace, very big and heavy, like a 35 lbs dumbbell. I take it and start looking for my friend, going in the direction of the barn. Along the way I meet a crazy being the same size as me, continually smiling and incredibly fast, he is dressed with a robe and it seems like he is flying a meter from the ground; automatic fight. I swing my hammer with such strength it doesn't make sense, it always swoosh an inch from him in all kind of combo moves, while he tries to get at me, his smiling face somehow getting very near, but I always prevent him from touching me with my next tentative. After many minutes of such dancing, I catch him in the chest with a loud crack-thump, I turned around to walk toward the barn and I wake up.

The camp

A very recent dream this one. I'm being followed by a man, we're both on foot and I don't think the guy know that I know he's following me. We eventually reach a road following the bottom of a somewhat steep plain covered in forest, it is to my left and there are a few homes up there that I don't see because it is night. To my right is flat human development, and a bit further is a big slow river (St-Laurence river to be precise). The guy is far behind me and I eventually see the road up ahead as curving back to climb the steep plain at an acceptable angle through the woods. I see that as an opportunity to lose the guy so as soon as I hit the curve, I accelerate to climb.

At some point I meet a small entry to the property of someone, I don't go there and soon after I enter a field of grass with 2 big and old camps up in the farthest corner. I say to myself that I probably lost the guy so I'm more concerned about visiting the camps for fun than anything else. The first one is rectangle and I simply don't seem interested by it so I skip it and immediately go for the second square one while thinking that those sun blasted and old deep grey planks are ripe for burning, better be careful with a candle in there, but they're quite thick and still strong. I look under the doorframe and the camp looks abandoned. I enter (I think it was not locked) and find it quite empty, 2 chairs, a table and that's about it with the evident exception of a big oversized wooden throne freshly covered in clean comfortable cushions and a very inviting bed that looks like it was put there just yesterday. I immediately think of the possibility to steal the throne but that would be unrealistic, instead, I find myself horny; damn I would want to fuck a girl here! Not much time to think about that though as looking out I notice that my "friend" is actually coming toward the camps too. I have no place to hide, so my bet is that he won't enter the camp if it looks closed. The problem is that I just noticed that the whole wall toward the forest is one big piece of window so it is evident that he will see me inside. There is a hole here where I did some magic because I don't know what happened, all I know is that I'm walking back home knowing the guy is not following me anymore.

Next thing you know, I'm back to the camp on a sunny afternoon day, the door is open this time and there is an elderly woman in it. She asks me what I'm doing here and I answer that I came to get back my book. It is on the floor near the door, it looks like a book about animals in the woods and the cover has been ripped apart. The woman is very friendly but as is the case with anybody; I don't trust her. I noticed she got a book too. She got a magic cat that likes me, I don't know how it is magic though, but I know it is. We talk a little and I'm surprised that she quickly ask my phone number because she got to "baptize" or something, a new children and it is very important that I be there; she'll call me somewhat within one week. I succeed in giving her a number but with difficulty so I tell her that I'll be there in exactly one week and I leave, but not without crossing her magic cat a few times. While I hit the road, I take some time to better look if the camp can be seen from the road following the steep plain and I find out that yes it can be seen with a detour and an effort, but what I notice is that I was mistaken thinking there was a forest behind the camp (while looking from the road); it was a few trees that gave me this illusion in darkness, in fact, there are small fields of all kind of fruits behind the few trees, I think I'll have to bring curtains if I'm to have sex in there...

Next time I go there, there is this matter of papers that I carry with me, there is a desk in the camp now, there are documents in it and I want them too, so after some weird exchange of documents, I turn around to find the camp renovated, the window is smaller too. I sit on a chair in front of the window and I notice a very old man sitting on a chair in front of the other window facing north. I say to the woman that maybe more trees would be a good idea but she answer that everything is fine as it is. I answer that she is probably right. Next, she gives me a grape of flowers as big as the tip of a thumb. This small thing got like 10 mini daisies attached to a short stem so it looks like a small ball of mini daisies. I bite half of it, it is strangely spicy but good, and now she presents me with half a strawberry that is probably not one... Past that point I don't know since I woke up.

THE SHELLING PART 7

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LIFE INFINITE

As you know, since the day I decided to side with life instead of gods, I never end finding I was made for this job. Some of this started long ago, when I got traumatized learning that my ancestors were chimpanzees, then I'd change class to be told that Adam and Eve did the trick; neither idea pleased me. And today evolutionists and creationists are locked-up in an old fight and they refuse to look at other options, like old politicians, while emphasizing the debate like there are only two options and the population should be the ground of their competition, like a political condemnation; I decided me and my friends would invent something that can pass my tests and that won't end in conflict with something else, as a goal for my political career.

I got strongly moved by my spiritual friend, he's got this way with words, good and evil stuff, that always get the girls listening, even my super psy mastermind can't end adjusting her glasses, so I won't waste too much time with religious views of gods, but my other friend is not a super amateur of the classic theory of life's evolution either, and who am I to question her judgment?

It's better than religious options...

Ancestry notions are an inadequate vision for all interrelated life, to me it stops at reproduction capacity for a start.

It's just concepts guys, but still, they have their importance, like saying we are animals with a big brain...

Or that all there is to life is nothing, just survival that explains everything while it explains and means nothing to me.

It's just easy ways to discard the existential question you know, and often these quick facebook philosophies mounted as a pride generating principles of living, become a handicap to the quest of understanding because the terminology they use twist the meaning and become spread...

And me I'm left with more complex explaining to do instead of having nice words and concepts to babble about, I mean, to help understanding.

That sir, or you throw your nice stuff to some competition of who's gonna stretch the elastic in the weirdest way.

I wouldn't want that!

Maybe we should start by not systematically forcing people to learn theories as absolute truth all over the place, a theory is not a fact, and this happens with many subjects, it is a powerful tool, imposed PMBBD...

Don't! we all know that you are lying or manipulating or bullshitting, when you force people to learn something as truth while it is not...

PMBBD is Propaganda, Manipulation, Bullshit, Brainwash, Disinformation for the uninitiated...

If it's not one it's the other...

What are you talking about?

It's about keeping others innocent, or mixed up, enough to control, use and exploit them while still practicing their intelligence.

What is this with the mouth again?

Some selected facets of it, ask Christianity, we had to learn religion at school very young, in good old times that made present times...

Now, let's say the principle is understood, if you go at the higher spheres of education, and we got methodology after all...

Isn't it Mr. Science guy?

I was saying that this actually looks like another way to distance the mass (class division detail) from scientific understanding, like a lot of terminology, because the good mentality to have with everything can be learned easily, so why do you wait until people are on the verge of being scientists before putting a big freaking emphasis on it? I want to be methodologically sane at 18, or let's say around 24, as an adult should be, not as specific spheres of society.

Big words.

Thank you.

Evidently, doing precise targeting in these matters is complicated, so let's just add media people and politicians and lobbyists businessmen, the best profiteers and manipulators of the democracy capitalism business, to add their influence.

Until those scientists are stuck inventing new terminologies to replace the old because everything gets twisted and stretched in hell... Just mentioning that one reason for more developed terminologies is exactly to reduce misunderstanding...

And poor Darwin against religion, had he succeed he would have become what? The antichrist? Lucky he limited it at inventing a theory that could work from his observations.

It was was not enough, and he didn't really try to kind of insult them!

That would have been very bad, with the future of life in the balance.

He should, because they retarded a philosophy that was already late coming even further, to the point of condemning humanity to the ego ideology, so yes, he should have insulted them like the bunch of assholes, cheaters and bad losers...

Bad winners too...

Yet, whatever Darwin, it changed nothing to the needs for spirituality in people, and so pitting an aspect of it against a religion as a competitor was not a good idea and it is still a bad one to this day. Besides, I don't know who decided that Christianity was god on earth and you'd have to justify on your knees before them, or compete them?

What is it they want war? Because it's allright with me, I can go back, start all over and really concentrate on making a big emphasis that you're the devil incarnate, I can do that, but let' say that in the face of the antichrist, I'll assume they'll prefer a less hysteric scenario of not stirring my hornet's nest, I can provide that too.

So I'll continue to explain my stroll in this reality, what I like and dislike and why, with some refrain on my bad feelings, some humor for a little exit, and diplomatically when possible, as a middle line guy, and that's the path I'll encourage, where everybody ends up a little shaken, but still whole and capable of working optimally constructively, taking into consideration the situation and my opinions, and we'll welcome our science advisor with open arms, since he says he's gonna be bigger than Gaia.

A competition of science that act as enemies of spirituality is worse than religions using spirituality to manipulate people. Both spirituality and science are necessary and it is no better living in a world without spirituality than without science, killing one is killing the other.

That's not bigger!

What's that again?

My point was that Darwin's views are not everything and making a whole final conclusion from them is no better than religions doing it.

One quality of empathy is that you can relate a little more to the initial "spirit" if you care, that should help prevent things to degenerate too much as the new knowledge or vision get farther away from the source, so initial Darwin as a continuation would probably have taken a different direction than what's been passed through the machine, even if the process of passing is still evolutive, it's like me that's always specifying things and trying to adjust, if I had died young probably nobody would have gotten a thing right, ever, from my incompetence in big part, but after transforming it and patching it to your tastes, then I'd debark again, like resuscitating it in your words, carry on, decide to implement middle line principles while you went all extremism, leading me in a different direction than what you made of it.

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I was saying that when you are not absolutely sure of a theory, you arrange things to keep it as a theory for as long as you are not certain. But it's always in the way you do things, the intents too, so the principle is that if you want to educate on uncertain matters, apart specifying you're theorizing around, is to simply say that's where you are at with the knowledge in these matters. A lot of sufficiently well-educated people come to understand this naturally later in life, but it doesn't much seems to apply when presidents are talking stupid affirmative, or when media people start a bout at infantilizing. It's a cycle, there's a lot of hidden manipulative cycles out there, you notice them after you're old, bad mentalities that come back like a fashion, as the world changes visually, to lose your soul deeper in the ideology, so that every generations can only embark, always getting the feeling they are changing the world for the better while in fact they're so cheated they work to become smaller. Those cycles are different sets of pressures that get cycled one after the other, like mini epochs, by gigantic media corporations, and their lasting time and intensity is defined by the time it takes for people to get tired or get to the streets, then you pass to the next pressure and on and on until people are exactly as you want them, generally speaking, in ideal conspiracy theorizing...

Watch out for cycles...

I see you two, you keep the door open to more theorizing, so people can come up with ideas, even just to define and fight evil, why, it's illegal? Even if it's just to predict where we have to be careful. You don't close the door saying "Ah! That's it, mister has found final knowledge on this subject", and after 200 years of defending it and competing to elimination everything else; we won, believe now, bow low and remember his name eternal and the name of his race too, and his language too, and his country too. A theory is a supposition, and treating a supposition as absolute truth creates bullshit and the worst thing you can do is fill young brains with it.

Always on the hard side...

You don't like this word "bullshit"? Get used to it, this whole reality is smeared with it; it's not in the dictionary? I don't care it's not in the dictionary, maybe the reason it's not is that some people who throw it everywhere don't want the receiving end living in it to acquiesce its existence. I think it's the most appropriate word to describes a lot of what I hear around. If you want me to stop using this word then stop making it so popular...

About Darwin's theory; I say it makes some sense but not in a total fashion, it doesn't fit everything, and history is not evolution or truth.

We all know an apple is not a descendent of an orange because it is round and a tractor is not a descendant of a car because it has the same motor, besides; the inverse could be true so no descendant here, tractors are tractors and oranges are oranges.

Who said that again?

And put that word in the dictionary, the whole world knows what it means, do you need more? People know it exist so describe it to its true extent...

History is a true movie, it is absolute truth.

You can find all kind of lies by watching history.

But those are always the absolute truth of history itself, it's just that the truth of history have been so manipulated and transformed by every winner and loser, that people can almost only look at it through dating facts, then again.

I'm not even sure the starting date of humanity, year 0, amounts to much historical truth, no, but do go ahead; dating facts year 0, it's kind of an important year, evolutionary speaking...

Yeah, and if you think cameras will tell the truth of our times, you completely underestimate the power of the rich gods you created, we are not even living in the truth of our time, governmental institutions of all kind are manipulating people, including religions at the tons still to this day, all making a specialty manipulating history, hiding things and mass lying, to the point that humanity practically never live in its truth; we admire old people for whom we invented a parody of a life, we made saints out of the most cruel and disgusting people to ever walk the face of this earth and we "love" them, admire them

Like actual Kardashians...

dream of being like them, then we gave the worst of reputations to people who did good, or we ignore them, or exploit and twist their good.

All this is done with control over means, PMBBD, and weapons. And many old historical structures and places have been built in part to manipulate history; they are not the truth of history (the truth of the story) except at a very low level like the place and time it was built.

And most of those old writings they believe in like the stuff was all written by saints; most of the stuff was written at the command of rich and powerful people who made a specialty of embellishing their story.

I didn't say there is no truth in there; I say they are not the truth.

Every tlabletologist thinks that the effort of digging a few meters at an old city library and finding an old tablet is an automatic sacred proof of truth, that nobody in history could have manipulated things and no bullshit in the writings. I say there is nothing to prove that many of those drawings and always broken tablets have not been implanted

Always the conspiracy theorist...

Terrorist! The other part is always disappeared, like someone ran all over the world stealing tablet bits and scraping text...

Funny...

These things are still important since that's what is left of our history after those who had the means played with it, but the absolute truth is incredibly hard to deduct, most of it is left in this thing or that which come from this date, under this brick that fell at this time and so on.

You think?

I understand it's no easy job being a historian of integrity, have an idea of the true film of history, when you have to do it with those fragmental facts and invent a story that will make them fit all together, while describing alternative possibilities, if not you increase bullshit potential.

See?

Thanks

And the absolute worst source to find the truth of history is in religious influenced texts, and in our old times religions were the first to dig-up history everywhere, manipulating it, copying it for their perfected stories, they had influences over every human need, they had things like monks, platoons boasting fat crosses all over the place, they were the "relationists" of the powerful, the connection between superiors and inferiors I could say, and a coat of "good" they could use to do lots of evil... The first popes and "saints" were probably among the most evil people, and for many reasons the institution is still an evil one to this day, even if it looks the contrary and good indoctrinated people run it now, since the end result should take the best form to carry on as an invincible condemnation, history manipulated to oblivion, the books cleansed of not fitting interrelations...

Are you...

I wouldn't say current leaders are the worst people you could imagine, they are innocents, and isn't it what they wanted god to do? Pardon innocents? We'll see about that, for now no, it's status quo, and since I can't know wtf I should be pardoning because of all the cheating, then it's gonna be after death matters... And that applies to all this reality, once all its institutions are done (pyramids), people condemned to the form, history manipulated, then you can put innocents dreaming of big positions to run the invincible institution.

Weird.

I'm onto this, it's the fundamentals that counts, and that applies to the Democracy-Capitalism business; the strongest believers in it will end-up running the eternal institution to the end of humanity even if the fundamental is systemized unfairness. And you can run such institutions with "good" people all you want, you'll forever unconsciously work against true good. The fundamentals, the basis, is what counts the most.

As you say...

Religions are a tool for profiteers, they just became "saints" correcting their stuff along the way, but the fundamentals never changed. They changed their text as time advanced, manipulated history to a travesty of the truth, and in doing so they condemned themselves. And the Democracy-Capitalism business thingy does it too, everybody will be saints in the end while the truth of history will be a load of conflicting bullshit.

They don't even know why they exist anymore, and they want to believe they do for good; they slowly succumbed to their own brainwash. It's a shame, truly, the future reaps what the past sowed, and accumulation makes things irreversible, the job always getting bigger with time, humanity taking form, unstoppable, whatever things went far enough that earth life is at risk.

All the while manipulators and profiteers continue perfecting and solidifying their story and history, all the way to movies, as we produce super heroes, saints and put wonderful people in command, to continue, in their fundamental wrongs and defend their institutions in denial to the end. When the hegemony of this reality will approach its climax, evil will be hidden under the cleanest façade for at least a few generations, from the poor to the rich they will believe in anything except what makes most sense, even if they'll have fractioned pieces to prove they're in the know.

There's bad omen in the air...

That's in part why I say bullshit will be the cause of the end, because in the end, when the most fundamental things and principles will have lost their sense, when the truth of history will be half falsehood, when the quest of good or truth will be too much for people, when people will prefer to live a life made of a competition of image and superficial arguments, then they'll be forced to deal with the facts of a degenerating planet and life with a completely inadequate mentality and it will be ugly.

There you go.

Yet, there is nothing wrong about making pseudo historical movies if you start by saying it is pseudo history or a legend, or by saying or suggesting it's probably bullshit.

A movie based on bullshit?

A bullshit movie.

It's the same for forcing children to learn pseudo history as truth, like saying that Charlemagne invented school while there was probably a school in the first big city on earth. That's weird for a learning institution to teaches that about itself, don't you think? Kind of a bad start for credibility,

A detail...

That Charlemagne guy even got a song to praise his great invention.

It gets worse, if you ask stupid google if Charlemagne invented school, it say the guy helped built schools in the roman empire or something, then you type "who invented school", and there is this big result taking all the place of some dignity looking English guy that invented the modern education system they say, but the problem is that's not the question, and in fact there is no way except wasting tons of time to remove this guy taking the credit up front. So there is no Charlemagne nowhere except if you specifically know that part of history in advance, it doesn't exist whatever the song, for the whole world.

Still a detail...

He's kind of a big historical multilateral emperor, a super important king of Christianity!

A "Great", a conqueror like alexander the Great!

Talk about educational and historical mess-up, and then you'll tell me nobody is manipulating google stuff algorithms of the internets that they try to confound with artificial intelligence bullshit, and I'm the one that's weird here, and you're the great here...

Yes, and I guess some specific English guy can take all the credit for everything, both guys should be in the picture, and what the hell is this song thing?

Even if it's only a little lie, its spreading makes it a fantastic one.

To me it's really a matter of finding myself in front of the truth, I discredit anybody of its importance in my mind if it's not the right person that should be there.

I discredit fakers too.

Like saying America was discovered by Christopher Colonbus while you got precise maps of America dating back I don't remember how many thousands years in the negative? But they don't care about that, they're a big adults n all, they're past such stupidities...

Colon bus...

You could say they are childish lamentations...

But aren't you supposed to care for children? It's not important if they learn boatloads of bullshit at school and the truth of history gets destroyed?

Me I'll want to meet the spirit that drew these maps first, the true explorer, not the one "taking" the credit... Is that what we have on those tablets and pyramid steps, people taking the credit?

If you could find the movie of our true history from start to end for everybody and zoom anywhere, see the truth about the Christ, Caesar, Napoleon, Nostradamus, Heredonnit and all these gods we like so much to glorify in movies, you'd probably commit suicide.

That's hard....

Because almost all what you believed in would not only not exist or be destroyed, but you wouldn't be able to absorb the truth, the truth of yourself too, how much you're full of lies, lies you often defend like your own life depends on it. The total memory of one's life is enough to blow half of humanity in suicide, so we are very lucky to forget. Evil probably wouldn't exist though, but a loop of monotony would still be a suicidal weight; you'd have to filter out monotony at a tremendous level, and for that you'd need a process of forgetting.

Isn't life too well made?

Are You can have a thousand level of priorities associated to different level and form of memory associated to different levels of emotions and other things too, so probably the memory priority is what has a value of feelings along with what is important that you don't forget. If our memory was permanent we'd have a hard time living with the reality of our actions, and I'm not talking about brushing teeth here.

What I live is a bit like that I would guess, all these things I know, past future, small big, with my feelings on hyper, alone and flying... And sometimes as I grow older I get an emotional blast from some obscure past, it's visceral, sometimes intensely sexual, I get ripped by a feeling and if tears could eject and rebound on the floor... It's physical too, as I sometimes get knives planted along my feelings... And it's definitively not just about me, it's understanding the pain of people and its size, how reality and people who don't care makes things hard for good intentioned people, the wheel of wrongs, of hard, but it starts at me, shockwaves from my past, maybe from old lives, to say never forget your experience at innocence, never forget the incomprehension, the deception.

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But history is another matter, and a lot of people are already disgusted to the bones just living the present so don't think that's unimportant.

It's deathly important, it's the difference between working in the dark wasting resources on things that will end up as setbacks when truth gives its kickback, or doing things constructively toward good goals, seeing in lasting truth.

Science and history exist in part to tell and find the truth...

They exist so life can reach its goals within the limitation of matter, like changing reality, which we are morphing, to unrecognizable extent, which is super for life, if it's comfortable. Don't forget life is a moving and working sense interface between intelligence and reality, with disconnect capacity, independence, maximal capacity to do everything alone, while reproducing.

And me as the general guy I should point at the other side of the line you're drawing, here, you're dependent from working as many too.

Statically speaking, between the two you can provide spikes, which will most probably be keys from the amount of covered possibilities, the available pool of knowledge, but maximal association of different specifically developed abilities is an ideal to reach too, just get a specialty, for any minimally technologically advanced productions, among many things.

Doing the loner savage god in the woods where you can't step on an insect is a bit ridiculous when you know all what's involved for civilized existence, but yes, even disconnected as I am, I'm still dependent from people doing stupidities a lot...

Bad pun.

As for the way history can exist, there is human memory that works in its own way, and there is life memory that works within the limitations of matter memory which is total. If you don't limit your sight, you could come to the conclusion that it is something related to a universal time process of cumulating history as forwarding of time.

Interesting...

Told you I'd be big!

We are at the perfect ideal spot, between life so fast and small you can't see or believe and life so big and slow you can't see or believe...

So they all cower in fear praying god, or go denial and discover the wonders of atheism! "Who cares" anyway, as they invent themselves a reality to feel secure and superior, that they're doing the right thing, whatever they do.

But maybe that's exactly why we are at this place, because once past a certain point we'll be able to see, to see more truth too. But we got to first pass planet care 101 and life philosophy 101 to begin having lasting fun, and I hear you, we'll have to update our view of gods too, to put it in harmony with life, not superiority-inferiority and profiting competition.

To go back to history, the truer it is, the better, no? Who is against the idea?

Embellishers!

What do you say about that? We are at the particles epoch after all, where "everything" is particular, particles do this or that, but what do they bring to table? Wouldn't it be simpler to replace the whole complex thing for a simpler system?

And creationists and Darwinists, and extraterrestrialists, what do they have to say on the matters?

They all fail at one existential question or another, for now, or don't make minimal sense altogether, as they ignore many such questions, it's the domain of physics some will say...

I was talking particles, and saying everything has a reason and a best way, for an "everything" combo, since I'm becoming a summit master in the domain of "everything".

Yes master, you make collections of "everythings" so such combos are nothing to you...

That's not really an argument in "anything", I was just practicing my artist and humorist side. When was the last time you heard an evolutionists fit subatomic particles in their certitude?

What about the necessity of death? It's just there?

My theory is that they got stuck in a historical momentum, so in the end they come to only turn around the knowledge and arguments that defend their point of view, with a natural agglomeration of same opinions, where intruders face a whole bundle of opposition, it's like mini scientific circles, and it applies to argumentation, some aspects are minimized because they conflict.

That's the difference in what I'll do, interrelate all aspects of existence one way or the other, in the perfection of "everything", maybe not in total competence, but I'll get there.

You'll be rejected as insane.

Not with me around.

And me

Me too

We're all behind you.

Since I think the memory of matter is related to the time process, then life is probably limited to higher level interactions with matter until the universe changes, but we will not be able to work matter in all its aspects. When it gains existence, its first goals may be to take control of random variables to permit its guaranteed survival. life systems are probably just starting to get things right for earth when taking asphalt and concrete into consideration, they may pressure things for changes more appropriate too, that's part of controlling random processes, and we are life, so that's part of our job, we'll have powerful random processes to control, or limit, a thing we are doing unconsciously, by carrying an umbrella, these random drops...or protecting ourselves from solar flares, we are limiting the effects of a random process; the same with life selection.

You're really making an effort...

Life girl is all hears.

Yes, life must come to be involved everywhere.

If it has survival as a fundamental function, its memory interactions must reach everywhere under at least one form.

For us, memory is our history, someday what we built will get crushed and all we'll have as most precious is the knowledge that we got the true memory of history, that way we won't be all messed-up, we'll know who we are, the truth of ourselves, and, very important; we won't make the same mistakes again.

Back to history.

We may think our history is forgotten and we'll never know the truth so we may as well live in that PMBBD thingy, but say, in a thousand years, we can build a machine and hide it in a system that seems to have everything to develop advanced life, the trip takes a thousand years, and the well hidden satellite can shoot data for a 100 000 years. That is a high possibility you know, we may need 50,000 years to systemize the solar system in such a fashion that the infrastructure for interstellar travel becomes feasible, what will we do within that time? We will send satellites to life planets.

If our view of good and evil evolves sufficiently. Are you sure you want to take the risk of getting into an unpredictable war with evil violent aliens who, within those 50, 000 years, appeared and developed far faster than us thanks to a strike of luck like not having missionaries to spread the good Catholicism news.

Nice.

So those satellites will be hidden for as long as we are not ready to take actions. All that to say that if you can easily hide such a device in a system, you can watch life develop there, you can record the whole story and transmit it to your home place and watch creatures struggling with their ego thingy, watch their television and laugh at how they're making a mess out of their true story, even inventing miracles that can't exist and brainwash themselves into believing it's part of their true story, to go along my buddy.

I'm not your "buddy".

Then one day we happen to be friends, would you want a recording of the story? It's true but the possibility is far greater that there is such a device in our solar system than there is a possibility of alien visit.

Irrelevantly small, but why not.

Gods could do it too...

The thing here is what you have the right to do with the information.

You can mix some concepts that will limit mass diffusion if some species like us appear, mainly mass interrelations, what's going on outside among many people, probably the only thing you'll ever be able to see with such long timer satellites.

But then it may become a source of critical evolutionary data, like where and how life loses history integrity, since machiavelism may pervert and eliminate tremendous amount of historical data, losing the possibility to know what type of original situation lead to life degeneration, even if you saved the situation. So it's not only a matter of having a 100 000 years soap of life evolution, it's a self-reflection to be taken with great humility, and to me that's how we should act with this knowledge we would be entitled to, since we went that far technologically.

And no choice to air an adequately true edited version, because we're not doing ego-god (s) ideology bullshit no more.

I want that too!

The advancement is a work of humanity. So in the end the thing is that it will have to be taken with the upmost respect, like we should always when dealing with life, and I mean respect like never before here.

Laws to punish alienophobia!

I mean, if they appear we must not interfere or judge them badly unless they fail their life adventure

Not good enough...

or succeed with star travel and it is only in these instances that we'd be allowed intervention.

So I'm noting that our satellites should have self-destruct parameters embedded which would be enabled as soon as these guys reach the space travel step, beyond that our rights should be limited to snooping around discretely, which can be accomplished with an external body.

Like on Pluton.

Pluto sir.

Sounds like spying a lot too.

There may be an exception in the situation of blatant good development that's failing because of an exceptional limitation, like a missing resource, then we may help. The other way around could work too, but you're not supposed to put all your eggs, "satellites" in the same basket and end-up requesting their help as an intro...

Upon meeting them, they become the sole owner and decider of their history and we have not a word to say about it.

Except in a dealing way where they possess the data.

Are you doing capitalism?

Marketing. At that point I'll suppose there will be sufficient understanding that we can do nothing about it if some people keep some aired videos.

There's the roll of history for interested parties, just so you remember.

Another way could be through the processing of our individual memory by matter circulation.

And we must not forget that sight is a reflection of light, which has a speed, which can be transformed to all kind of "waves", this fact can open many horizons...If someone is coming to earth presently, he is watching some of our old history as he approaches, only limited by his sight capacity or form.

All that stuff is too scary for these people, denial is their only option, and the god ideology got people used not to care about big brother, people will then then continue to mess history or destroy it altogether, enforcing wrong limitations in reality and mind, and wrong judgment too, from manipulated or missing factors.

Still, as we live the chances we find the truth, not deduct it, of our history are very slim.

And it won't get better with current media ways and mentalities, since a vast majority of our energy is spent to satisfy ego gods manipulators and their competition games, even our survival on this planet is at risk because our forms of governments, our monetary system, our competition philosophy, our war machine all those and more are too expensive to maintain for our planet. And without reaching equilibrium for very long term happy living on our planet, we will disappear in the blink of an eye compared to how long we could have existed.

I believe that the more you stuff history with lies, the more you stagnate or degenerate the species as you lose track of what is true or not for the wheel of life to work.

The same for eliminating good possibilities, increasing our limitations with time to the point of creating condemnation, while messing the judgment of people. What is not true and is believed as true stays not true and end up not true in the end whatever the amount of time it is believed as true, for those twisted minds who think means erase truth. The end result is that truth lifts and creates limitations that really exist, while lies lift and create limitations that do not.

We're getting all along it seems.

So, if we want to become a successful civilization, arrange your things so anything that is not absolute truth stays easily open to debate, next, you're better looking at the truth of your reality in the face, and you're better finding what is possible and exist, and not describe what can't or didn't as truth, since what can't or didn't always end-up as far worse than a waste of time or resources

This scribbling thing seems really helpful...

I was saying, the temporary positive effect is insignificant besides the devastating end result of having to discard whole wrong developments, and I'm not talking entertainment here, or imagination.

The same if science makes wrong deductions, it may give a temporary positive result, but in the end it will cost twice as you'll have to redo the research, and that's only one facet, it doesn't include the effect on people who believed it, which in some extreme situation can terminate our potential altogether.

I know a lot of people who got their potential terminated, nothing unusual here...

We should stop de-emphasizing all those "little" insignificant lies to masses that compose a false view of reality and history of humanity; someday the price will be devastating, we are growing a time bomb!

Just revealing some lies composing it is enough to invalidate whole slabs of history and whatever related concepts that hold people together; nobody likes to know he's been had for years.

Or that our love fucked around for years behind our back...

Cheaters

The best reaction is gotten when you prevent such things or when you know the truth right away.

The more humanity advances in history cumulating lies, the more troubles we'll have to know truth and getting rid of the liars.

That's the bottom minimum of the hassle. We can all be mixing ourselves a history of saints while giving others a reputation of evil then passing our time killing each other in the "information war", but in the end, the most death will be caused by bullshit itself.

Bullshit arguments to start wars and cause the death of masses of people.

Anyway, people will kill, go crazy and suicide if they suddenly knew the truth of their history or reality. You got to protect these babies from the truth.

Like truth can be an evil and dangerous thing.

A little dose at a timer should do it.

They're more likely to lose it if they realize their reality and history is half bullshit from glorified personalities, and go crazy from the mess of PMBBD stuff they live in.

Hiding facts is manipulation of knowledge to somebody's or some gang's end, governments are experts at that, and it's a form of manipulation and brainwash by omission or falsification.

I should point out we're not talking personal lies affecting a few people, those are your personal problems, lies affect people affected by the lies, and not lying is kind of utopist, even ridiculous.

The negative effect of a lie amounts to 1 quantity of pure concept of evil by person affected, is that simple enough a good and evil concept? It was invented in cavern times, and it is nowhere in the bible thank you, among the vast pile of "forgotten" secrets... And I know evil and manipulators will say it is not how we should see things or to follow their action selective view of evil, but I say fuck you!

Placebos of evil does that work?

Yes but we're talking a placebo of false belief.

Just bullshit for the initiated.

Placebo or bullshit effect; that is the question.

Are all bullshit effects placebos?

You're talking placebo...

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A placebo bullshit effect is temporary.

It's a bit like high consciousness as a pedal

But for the degenerated...

You think?

I was saying it's like hype, I think you don't understand the fundamental aspect of these drives, you can't just eliminate what motivates people. It depends on the end result for life I guess, evil too is driven, and it depends on what you fall back to, reality's counter pressures, not only the intent, because those are related to the reward system, so was it worth it?

Worth it for degenerated...Don't forget hell is paved with deception.

At civilization lifetime, a scientific lie, or religious lie, can create a thousand year wrong mind development that may just begin to depress us, and for a long time. Just worth a thought.

Don't fool with science, in the end, truth must rule and it always do is what I say. When you look at the history of evolution you must have a string of truth that connect the whole slab of time that you want to talk about without pits and jumps everywhere or things that don't fit, and it is sure that writings, even if they are history, are not a trustable source of facts, particularly in a linear writing situation where very few books (or tablets) get published (or engraved) because of "elitism" requirement, think of what we're missing if they had let knowledge be free and its tools systemized adequately. The price is a vast slab of historical knowledge missing, and I'm not talking about the accelerated exponential effects on evolution that's completely missing because of how we built reality as a wheel with so many missing and contorted rays it's just a bundle of wires.

And while bullshit people will say nobody cares, you now have all the future history of humanity until today taking ego ideology form, and its patented bones is all what will remain for people to chew on of our beginnings as they live trillions upon trillions of years...

So things look bad for history.

Think of how it is important to have a valid mass of it when history amateurs already go nuts because they discover a new aspect of an old painting.

Or an hieroglyph on the ass of some Egyptian goddess...

The first to write can write what he wants since nobody else knows how to write, and in old times, writings were totally controlled by those with the means, while the winner writes history, so all you can make from that stuff are subjective theories.

When you think religions were the first historians, and they made one hell of a dictating mess that may cost us existence. The same for old civilizations we glorify no end, someday they'll have stop thinking failed "civilizations" or gangs were more intelligent than you sir; the stories of their failure are the stupidest around when thinking they were supposed to be so superior, particularly with gods bossing around...

Look up people, we have not reached that no return point yet!

We are very near, and momentum is almost invincible, we need to feel at home, "to see the island from the top", before finalizing our condemnation to superiority. And when we'll be failing, evident too late, we'll finish ourselves off by finding more of what "gods" have hidden, we'll read about decisions that could have saved things, we'll understand and want to defend simple principles that could have saved life, we'll read facts and discoveries hidden by the superior and their media machines, and could have totally changed everything, we'll discover we could have stopped the craziness long ago.

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For now we sure wouldn't dare talk of the historical path to present reality, don't worry, you can only be wrong in your things

What do you mean?

Present people got a style to defend and learned people found truth where the winners wrote history

While the Greeks celebrate Democracy in austerity

That's where some Roman passed by with their armies?

The Egyptians are somewhere waiting to prove pyramidal survivability. Let's seek broken tablets and surviving half burned parchments and hieroglyphs to have some hindsight...

And they should stop spitting the pantheon, that's unhealthy, I don't care it is a perfect godly temple, all the earth population knows it.

We know the democracy capitalism business is the final system of gods...

We all know Heredonit did it!

They discovered philosophy sir, I mean, we all know everything that exist started with godly superior Greeks and romans

What? What do you want? I'm still catching up, we learn it at school, movies are Greek gods crazy, carry on...

They were just violent conquerors that exterminated whole races to steal their ideas...That as credible as saying they invented philosophy, sir, and I bet they invented love too...

Yes, yes, someday we'll know it all, the ideal behind what people did, and that will put many people who continually boast about their superiority back in their true place, I know the song,

Which is probably as low as they try to be high.

Sure. Greeks and Romans are good peoples, and they invented many things.

Like everybody else.

It's the end result that counts, I kind of don't like people who systemize their superiority and class division with good principles like Democracy, so who should I accuse of doing it? Greeks of old time, and from the looks of it they should be ashamed.

Poor people today have nothing to do with that!

Poor people?

Ironically, they are the ones proving they understand nothing of people presently, in revolt doing bailouts and austerity on people barely surviving...

Isn't it strange Democracy was invented as something good while it was so fair it failed right at the first line by interdicting women the right to vote?

You're bullss...

But they'll soon say the contrary in a movie...

People were doing Democracy in cavern times, just like sex that was supposedly invented in the 60's.

All what the Greek invented is a name to the voting process to choose their boss among politicians, better than politicians choosing their own boss, but not much, the same for the deciding process, it is not much better if it is a bunch of politicians that vote or if it is the boss that decide everything, but yes, competition limit some extremes.

All this godly crap made me uninterested in history, and I say in the state it is you're as well see it as a specialization later in life, for people who want to be interested in history, which is not a bad thing, history is always interesting, but no need to fill young brains with it and with a panoply of names like our life depend on it. I don't need to know everything about Greek gods, but I have a worst opinion of being brainwashed whatever my unwillingness in knowing the name of all those superstars and rich people... As for grabbing at things, or seeing to believe, I prefer museums, and I may even prefer 3D digital virtual museums, but that is just personal; there is no Inca pottery at home, and I'd look in my garbage first if there was... I mean I don't personally care, I don't have that kind of sensitivity, or "love" for these things, those that had an attachment are long dead, it just doesn't transmit to me under the importance this reality tries giving it, probably to persevere in the ego ideology path; it is evident that when a self-inflated person

Self-inflated...

The debate is done, it's self-inflated

You see self-inflated people outside?

Like intel inside, it's like bullshit

No, not outside, I'm just generalizing, ego seems to only mean self these days, or anything positive, or to sound weird altogether, so it's self-inflation, or ego inflation, to stop the confusion. So, when those people cumulates stuff, it is to keep it and it helps to reinforce the attitude, while all you'll get out of me is "cute", "what an artistry", "they were intelligent", "what a piece of work" "wow", "impressive" can I go home now? That is so because I don't want to think about it, I know what kind of story is the truth of these things, I have cut that part, I'm away from this, I'm concentrating on new connections, I looked at it, saw how it worked, threw it in my backpack like a souvenir, I can do a lot better, and thanks for what you tried, seriously, I'll carry the meaning, but I won't chain myself to the Parthenon.

Can't carry that.

And be careful with too much realism, you could recreate hell...And don't think your big stuff is invincible, what is created by humans can be destroyed by humans or life or entropy, and what is better going is facade stuff hiding lies or encouraging godly attitudes!

You!

Now that I've made it somewhat clear that a lot of stuff we currently believe in are suggestions or path of exploration instead of truth, or bullshit altogether, and the extreme limiting effect on consciousness or intelligence to make a history of godly beings responsible for everything good, what to make of conspiracy theory when history is half bullshit?

It means nothing except that there can be theories of conspiracies...

Well said!

That brings nothing to the table, manipulative stuff to limit people deciding from their own choice of theories or spread their own deductions, and transfer that power to the elite and their official stories, while history is a proof that's an absurd way to have integrity.

But it encourages further the ego gods (s) ideology, while still worsening the bullshit overload of everybody's mind capacities, another stupid manipulative problem to deal with...

The problem is again the twisted use of words made by media corporations, because in itself it's just theories saying people believe this or that is more or less likely.

While the logical way of the mind to try to have its individual opinion, based on the amalgam of knowledge that bring to light the most likely probabilities. But manipulation gave it an evil connotation.

There is no use for humans if gods dictate what they must believe, you hear that? Are you civilized or what? So fuck you, I make the conspiracy theory affirmation that conspiracy theorizing as it is thrown about is in fact an half unconscious conspiracy by evil to limit intelligence and understanding.

Me I believe in what I want, in fact, I want to fully integrate all what I believe in, to universal reformulation if I must, because it is based on logical and good principles, and if I'm wrong, with my mentality, then it's your fault for trying to mess with my mind.

Me?

Never leave a hole in your logic net of argumentation.

I'm both sure I'm missing factors, overemphasizing sometimes surely, but there's enough theorizing to make a whole new reality of related content, and I'm sure my mind is working beyond 10% nominal, thanks for the vote... healthily as alone at it, just saying...

She's joking sir, you invent theories that better fit, expose hidden possibilities, and believe in the highest probabilities, and in front of the UI, those gods will kneel in shame while you'll stand tall with my human soul!

That being said, let's say my explorative nature, my intensity that you could confound with craziness, and my position in the middle of stuff, with some military know how to do the general, an interest in science, life and spirituality, makes it so I can reach or develop highly questionable concepts, that I like and believe in because they still are satisfyingly interrelated logically with everything, and I'll go as far as possible with those as long as they stay connected to my net, because, in fact, the flying is to see, and you don't have a more down to earth rooted life connected person than me, so much life will follow me in spirit all the way to the UI.

Listen to the General.

The initial conclusion, as an upside down person concept, or inside out, or inverted, or reverse, is that everything interrelates as an ideological transformation process, and that there is at least 2 intelligence aspects missing to humanity, global intelligence (life) and UI, which implies at least one missing dimension, and from that We'll try to elaborate possibilities that can fit with a relative science, and since we're already in the weird spiritual and entities and dimension realm, then you get wonderful visions like the roll of history, that to me are imaginative vague ways to prepare myself because the possibility exist, and it fits logically with my vision of how the UI could work, but I'm far from done with the visions...

With my help to show that a process must exist to transform life as a surviving part of reality, and a knowledge must exist to form a creature that will work reality consciously, the mind is this tool to develop possibilities and life capacities to almost instinctive status. In fact you can see the human as the ultimate accumulation of possibilities developed from sensing reality and deducing what can be done with it.

I'm quite sure we completely surpassed expectations on that, it's such a shame that we did it all wrong...

We live because we are true enough to the environment, which went from millions of years of wild existence with beavers as the greatest engineers, to a few thousands of years of cities.

Even if we may be condemned to fail from the Christianity mistake, we're still fresh, yeah, and we cumulated the sundae of knowledge you can get by experiencing hell...

So we're still fresh, and it's not too late to switch to the life ideology thingy, with its whole lot of new possibilities. As for truth, if you falsify the environment in conflict with the integrity of life without an exit, then you enter in a cul de sac of troubles. As a radical environment change, if tomorrow the whole planet became lava, human=false to the environment and we die.

It can be technology too; if we went astray enough to create a black planet, then it must be because we can deal with it, you're not supposed to enter into a race to develop technological possibilities to fight the carbonization, even if you may be lucky it was possible.

Yeah, yeah, science sometimes miss its shot whatever the methodology, but we'll add the ethics effect from having a nice spirituality fitting our aspirations now...

So if you study rats then don't extrapolate too fast to humans, if your life in a "bottle" is not starting be open to ideas, maybe that life will never evolve past the situation in the bottle because of a limitation that could be compared to a lack of "liberty", just a bigger bottle or soup maybe? It's not necessarily because there is a missing chemical. And it's not because "lack of liberty" is too romantic or not provable for your selected group that the idea must be discarded; there are things and effects you may not even have a hint of awareness about.

What if some level of information can be stepped through matter forms; particles, then atoms and molecules, and that the life your bottle may be limited by a key communication aspect missing, or at another extreme, you could even have the global intelligence systemized through matter and "seeing" "feeling" the container as non-worthy environment.

He's just trying help his Canadian fellows with their oven of life thing...

I really think it's a shame that these type of experiments are the last priority of humanity, that's what comes last, life, its beginnings...

One million that should be one billion, but well, Canada did that for its continuation on the life aspect of things.

You'll pardon me you guys if I'm still weird with the ideas you throw around.

If there's someone that can deal with it it's you lovely.

The same experiment may not work in space I should add for your information, worse, you may need purism to make it valid! Where your whole container should be created in an environment out of life's reach which is impossible.

That's what I mean, it may start just because there is life around, from transmitted matter contact between molecules and atoms, or because the possibility for its expansion existed, and the possibility took form through matter contact, you, the whole earth through your hand and feet "connecting".

I see the global intelligence has made its way...

All the way to the UI I'll mention your eminence, I like the Gaia relation.

I'm not an eminence, but ok, you're starting on my good side if you always take your science like that...

You said you'd be bigger than Gaia...

I was just being inappropriate.

He's totally appropriate with the UI and Gaia I say though.

But I was saying to provide more, all elements, the "earth" water, salt water too. And "earth" air, and pocket variations. And "earth" land, effects, meteors, pressure, volcanoes and lightning strikes, I won't teach science on the methodology of doing things in order under all their variable scenarios, but I was justifying the billions, and it is as important as any top notch particle accelerator on the market.

Science people will say it's totally insane

They end-up insane around here too...

The same for those who reject spirituality.

Bible people too, the rich too, but we should be careful of people who boast one extraordinary finding after the other that will change the world for the better only to find-out later they were either wrong or the world is not even better but actually worse.

We had that psy that went insane too...

Maybe media people don't help much to keep facts straight, and keep possibilities open, but science and its methodology is not god either. And I'm not talking of the past, I'm talking today and I'm talking about closing possibilities from all kind of limitations and doubtful science too.

Most of what we got is the result of inventors, patenters and monks, not scientists.

What's a scientist anyways?

A relative thing in this reality sir.

Sure, someone working to build a satellite or a mathematician is easily seen as a scientist because he got a white coat.

I could add to the point that in today's competitive environment at its extreme, we make a specialty of fighting with affirmative language on science extrapolations that are no more than possibilities, and the more time advances the more science work in secrecy with self-enclaving terminologies.

Getting out with big discoveries that's missing factors nobody can prove or that supposedly changes nothing, they are used at any sauce by media people and governments to feed the population that is hype and hope dependent with discoveries like it is entertainment.

Where are you from?

Some country like yours, seems to try to do their shit better bit better, they got their big media institutions a in turmoil trying to connect science, education, entertainment and people better, but don't fool yourself, it's a cheap illusion; what's a few millions besides the tons of billions for digging bitumen sands?

It's business.

There's still a super big batch of experts and scientists that are useless or counterproductive or worse, and they should be fired. But don't worry, they're all on the verge of a big breakthrough that will change our lives for the better, and they're so willing and scared to lose their job that anything stupid is transformed as a proof that they're on the verge of a big breakthrough.

You're the expert here...

It's like who see aliens everywhere; they prepare a set of data grown from formulas, have a belief, and when something fits the data it is a proof, while the common of mortals see strictly nothing except a spike, a rock or shiny thing, that can mean anything in the mess of data, or image of bad quality, probably a manipulation or bug. And their computer programs are saints that never make a mistake, bugs never happen in computer programs, humans never make a mistake while entering data in computers, and everyone is a saint telling the truth, 100% credibility.

You're pushing a little.

We're not in a mess of PMBBD for nothing.

If you want to bring about a new theory, then you must describe it in as much details in all its logical interrelations and attach to it any possibility you know of that can modify or invalidate your theory.

Like me with my ideological theory, which encompasses so many things it's a wonder it actually works in all interrelations I can think of, even exceptions have their logical place.

What you do is in its class apart...The nice thing with him is that he hate confusion and misunderstanding and elitism in knowledge.

I stick to simpler terminologies and interrelate all concepts well, and I think that's a big black eye for a lot of science, because I explain and even invent extremely advanced concept that I manage to explain simply by making an emphasis on having non encroaching terminologies.

Got that.

I won't prevent people from doing what they want with my definition, but it's nice to have a definition everybody is supposed to understand.

Then they'll say it's your fault if they didn't understand...

Science doesn't account for those who manipulates their theory, the same for history.

Their theories?

If people don't have the patience to go through your theory then that's bad, it's their choice; they may want to invent themselves one, or not want to "waste" time

Or limit their brainz out, stay a bunch of innocent...

Some practice intellectual laziness. Or listen to some good old PMBBD while sucking a beer for that matter...

But isn't all that normal?

I was telling this guy not to hack his theories smaller or extrapolate the future from it to satisfy people not really willing to know about it.

But what about the simplicity thingy?

That doesn't mean you have to go through every logical little details and make it a laborious thing to read or understand for masses. Someone who invents a good theory is rarely an expert or a politician, it's a matter of being curious and interested in different things.

You can develop all kind of theories good ones and bad ones, we've been through that

You hope...

Evidently, the initial spark always comes from a single creative mind, it is tremendously more powerful if added and associated in groups with a leader, there is always a first person for everything, and a group, particularly with specializations, may add to it and when you have a good communication system; this group can be the whole of humanity.

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The same when we invent history related theories, you don't omit possibilities or factors, you leave the door open, other ways of seeing things may happen, so we must say that there is this strange thing about dinosaurs that don't fit the story or that there is that gap of a million years without a human bone in it, or that there are food and animals suddenly appearing without ancestors, that those could only exist with humans to take care of them, that the potato may not fit the story, if there was mathematics being used and taught as soon as we made our first city.

They say there were drawing out of rock the whole solar system with a round earth and the sun at the center thousands years before we could draw it on paper in equivalent accuracy while religions were so advanced that people believed the earth was flat.

Who said that?

An expert somewhere, and defenders will say it was a way of drawing things, but they really believed it since they tortured and killed people for it.

For current matters, they always say some old civilizations had impressive knowledge in many facets of life, but no book categorizing species while this is probably the first and most important thing you'd write about.

There probably was advanced life knowledge, with whole deep philosophy and spirituality about it madam, including a view of intelligence, and Christianity in its hegemony quest to collect and control history, with its moronic glorified lieutenants running everywhere, stomped all over it, they destroyed the knowledge to make their own travesty, and burned the rest as heresy.

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We must never discard, hide or destroy a potential fact because it stops a theory from becoming a fact, or a vision to become widespread

It's Christianity in its witch hunts, they eliminated both excellent knowledge and many genetic development options we'll never witness again.

An invalid theory, philosophy or spirituality is one that fails logic.

Says Mr. science guy.

Yes, logic can be superrelative...

It's again terminology encroaching that's a bitch.

Terminology encroaching sure seems to make you quite a bitch.

I'm sure that could pass for sexism.

No, it's a book.

It's fictional sexism.

That's not sexism

That remain to be seen, I just wanted to say that I prefer to limit the "descendant" concept to those I can reproduce with.

Reproduction, eh?

I would say there is morphing and there is popping; popping can makes me quickly incapable of reproduction with anything, while morphing are "simple" adaptation changes, they are the best form we could take to fill a space at a given moment in a given environment, and you'll need a very long time before ancestry notions becomes invalid. Popping problematic is something I must explore the possibilities of, unless you tell me it doesn't exist, but I see it all over the place, and to me it's a question that everything exists for a reason, so popping must be critical to the perfection of everything.

That's what you wrote?

We're on life remember, I'm the superstar here.

Somebody said something...

But how do you get to birth something unusual repetitively, and both sexes at it, like the chimpanzee suddenly birthing something very different than themselves? I have a hard time understanding how random mutations can lead to better survival concepts, everybody dies except the random mutation? Yeah, right, because not only you need the extremely lucky random mutation, but you'd actually need very low population count for it to become de facto, supposing it's a finely reproducible mutation... And I don't mean a population pool of genetic differences that's the work of slow morphing, I'm talking evident stuff, where the mutation is more akin to a reformulation of a whole set of genetic factors, and when you think of the mind capacities of the step between chimps and humans, you're talking about a very different population missing, or is it Adam and Eve? Because freaks tends to not be appreciated, so they need a particularly protective environment.

I can do that, with beautiful freaks.

It does work its charms.

The one doing chameleon stuff with asphalt dies.

That's a big weird exception.

A driver seeing a birdy as a chameleon of a UFO would probably die, natural selection.

Are you for real?

You don't survive in an environment where everybody's dying.

With some exceptions? Maybe?

My grandma told me if you hit em all you kill em all.

It's not just about chameleony.

Everybody is dying and cannibalizing each other for survival...

Yes, the works it not random but under a systemic process, like a turkey key concept, but as a system working from environmental changes though.

Turkey key...

Super fast human adapted breeding, practical bioengineering.

Wow

The wheel of life.

That would fit nicely with the concepts of global intelligence and my matter circulation of information (can take a few forms, with a dimensionally UI reserved one), which easily leads to a vision of the Earth, or Gaia, as a whole living and thinking entity. Is the "turkey key" in the hands of a divine entity?

It's like us making the turkey, which was there all along in possibility.

Ahhhh, scuse me.

I decide, and a middle guy that's associating things then I'm totally in the concept that it's all of those things together working along the life systems of the UI, even if god (s) can be any number of scenarios.

You'll go far with this middle thing sir.

Yes he'll do...

I believe morphing can come to give something like a human, if you have a process of memorizing mutations, like the life wheel concept we previously wrote about.

On earth, at the scale of diversity we have here, and within the timeframe we have to deal with, I say there is something missing.

I think a new complex species that grow to quickly become incapable of reproducing with its ancestor can only happen if there is an unusual mechanism or pressure to get it, a form of intelligence, like when we deliberately select or enforce a trait to get a wanted result like the white turkey or the gigantic orange, but even then, with all our might of selection through thousands of years and recent blatant genetic work, we still have a hard time cutting the line of ancestry.

Unless we kill the connection and eat all the skeletons someone will say...

Do working mutants happens in nature regularly?

It's easy to make a mutant, just smoke, I mean, just smoke pesticide infused fungicides or something and reproduce.

But reproducing the type of mutant you like is another matter. In fact, isn't smoking supposed to make all kind of random genetic mutations?

And what you get is cancer and death...

But we want them always better and more beautiful your mutations, or ridiculously beautiful like the white turkey.

Maybe all the negative mutations we get could be the result of our own conscious intelligence wrongs, a global intelligence process working all the way through matter to get beautiful flowers, like meat eating ones.

If you found the same genetics, in the group with 5 fingers, it doesn't mean there is nothing else to it.

In a universe that has all kind of independent intelligence stuck in a competition of opinions, where there are all kind of facets, even invisible dimensions, you got to first and foremost see everything as a probable illusion, or worse, conspiracy theory, just to open consciousness possibilities.

People, particularly gods, manipulate everything, in my everything list, and it is my opinion that's the game of the UI, its fun actually; make everything work as a learning and evolving strategy, so we must be prepared to assume wrong a lot to be on the safe survival side...

In the automatic domain of things you got many life systems under the work of our global intelligence that could be influenced by living god (s) and the UI, under vessel form, a life god, which, as we know is different from a living god.

An extension of the UI that can work many life systems by itself too, there may be ascended too, creator species and extraterrestrials to mess things up too. The global intelligence is not like us, it is an intelligence defined by all the interrelated processes of the universe, or mainly galaxy.

Galaxy.

Yessss, we should expand our spiritual view of life, intelligence and existence along with science.

I'd like the chimpanzee to birth anew a parallel humanity, you know, why not?

You have to play god with it?

And why doesn't life make reproducible mutants all over the place to make things super weird? What are all these beautiful limitations life reproduction is dependent from?

For now, my view of the tree is that intersections are supposed to be lasting stable species from which life can expand.

But now we're saying, or thinking it could be possible, that view is incomplete since a new species often "appears" from parts, DNA formula parts, taken anywhere, which can be cumulated and brought together through many species and environmental mixing, if the species is capable of surviving encounter. It is all under a molecular process to connect the parts, until it affects the reproductive system. A transport like a virus or bacteria or insect or blood can carry unknown parts around until it get into contact with a species that has a door open to it. So we should be open to life's interventions, not locked from it, even if it kills some people, and the worse you can do is both closing your system to life while making it sick with your consciousness experiments lacking judgment...

Still, you won't get the white turkey going that way...

What?

Following that line of thinking, losing one ridiculous insect on a seemingly unrelated bramble may eliminate the possibility for a big complex species, so the tree is very limited in life interrelation, even if it's ok for a simple view.

Artist visions...

Everything is interrelated and interdependent, even if some groups sharing the same basis of properties develop as branches, in fact, I'll add that a lot of branches exist as independent because, as the mixing develops, all kind of limitations, including genetic and environmental, will force the species to keep its best stable form; it is a survival tree, and as such it shows many limitations and dead ends too. It is a limited reflection of what life systems have left as evident on earth, you'll meet a different tree of life on another system. Gaia too as an intelligence, with a different high consciousness species if, and only if, the system was capable enough to reach that point, which I believe may very rarely happen; maybe one system in many thousands, and the high consciousness form won't necessarily be successful, like us, we are not successful yet. The other conclusion is that the tree show many limitations which didn't have to exist, while generally showing the species that reached stability, that were more capable of receiving added bits or combos, not only DNA, molecules too, gathered from the "infinity" of little bits of they will meet and stash somewhere as future possibilities.

I'm really frustrated every time I try to get something scientific shit out of the internet, it's like nobody has the budget to do thing beyond the simplest schema and the artist visions of the classic tree, with Brad Pit all over the place with his creepy movie...

You should be happy to know you can get a super complex tree of religion in high definition no problem though...

What?

You can pay billions for a military research project, but not a few millions developing something better than those half-baked versions of a timeline and general categories. It hurts my nice intelligence. In fact, I don't believe it, I say it's a fucking conspiracy! Either that or the science is totally closed to the general population. Is it Canada that's keeping people ignorant?

They're waiting until you publish to prove the contrary of what I say, and spend on research to prove me wrong, yes, that's what the whole freaking world is waiting for, that god get pissed-off, and then it will go completely nuts on life research and developments and it will show the science right up front on the internet; didn't I already talked about the dynamics of evil when faced with revelation or judgment day? It started as soon as we started writing...

Are you sure about that?

I'm pretty sure there's no scripture about this kind of stuff.

That's not...

This is a shame, not only about the mess of PMBBD, but the fact that you have to pay for it, and it forces you to pub, to pay for antivirus, to pay for knowledge, this crap gotta go !

Yes, I want the science stuff on the first page, and I refuse to pay for scientific knowledge.

That's a crime against humanity, so all of you life lovers selling their stuff on the internet, you're a traitor to its most fundamental process of evolution!

So what's a guy gonna do?

Work blindly from hints and previous logical deductions, as usual in hell sir, let's make our own vision, as always, I answer by the mouth of our own cannons, our creativity.

I already have a somewhat artistic vision of this evolutionary process of life; you'll be far better with a forest, in the mind too, a tree is for ego-god (s) ideology brains, a forest is for life-god (s) ideology brains, are you happy?

Why are you looking at me?

A forest that can be related to their categories or the jobs they do, and time can take the form of the size and length of the parts, or the time between species as a ball of putty that you stretch, and then develop your vision 3D, as a plant, or tree, that grows from roots to develop some of its facets; seeds as cells arising from environmental elements transformed to named molecules and DNA; ground, water, surface, air, sun. Cells start in the middle, on the surface, developing a green line as time, eventually going underground too, as roots, taking a greenery unicellular aspect, then raising to air and sun as other surviving "stable" species greenery, and if a ground bacteria develop you draw it it in the ground, with its related cells ideally, and the stuff it feeds on as a addon, with the appropriate line to where it's from, then reaching surface as new walking bacteria, then air as spores and flyers, maybe jumpers, always with its line representing time and where it's from, all in 3D. If a worm appear from a bird, then you make the appropriate line that reach underground with straight roots of a color representing whatever, like its food type. If it's a plant you make curvy roots that grow out to take the sun and maybe a flying creature will appear that will conquest a new terrain on your earth crust platter separated as types of encroaching environments, as much wild ecosystems as human created ones...

I impress myself...

Me I'll add to this beauty that in this microscopic life environment, that you could use "dimension" to qualify, everything is patented as keys and building blocks, with extraction and insertion mechanism from independent yet interrelated other species, always for a reason; there's reasoning behind it... Even new virus and sicknesses, if they are not the result of our wrong consciousness, are probably there to end or modify an old or wrong development.

Yes, we could have DNA bits meant to make us sick on purpose, depending from how our environment evolve, the little life that arises, which can be in the blood of an animal that itself got sick, or in the melting ice of the arctic.

It works either with the global mind concept or with the UI, I'm into that both are necessary, maybe more, so when life "deduct" one of its creation needs a new piece of information, a vessel appropriate to develop it will appear, things will be "arranged" so the information have a better chance to reach the subject. Its tools to do it are many; pressure or attraction, play of forces, which can be anything, animal slow behavioral changes, insect, virus, even dreams. Transmission of data can be anything too, plants, animal, insects, viruses, flu, soil, etc.

She's really into it...

Half the work of these life systems is to select out wrong developments taking space, and it goes all the way to animals designed to fight competition to take a space and make an ecosystem better.

Definitive applies to mentally condemned humans, and by trying to select or make an emphasis of survival for wrong reasons, like a philosophy leading to overpopulation misery, then we work against the ideal schema of life development of both my nice concepts of the UI, and global intelligence too. And that can go far, like extinction if we reproduced a wrong development all over the place and totally eliminated the correct one, so you must always work in harmony and logic with a good philosophy or vision of good and evil, because the message is there, it is your choice to see it among the perfection of everything or not.

One thing's for sure, the way you're talking, today's scientists selecting for what they sees as problematic DNA, or toward the ideals of the reality, will be the final mistake, in the final mistakes list.

Supposing the religious selection we made already guaranteed our end long ago, with life systems just slow...

So I don't come from the chimpanzee; I grew in part from it no? In a sense, it was used or prepared to make me, he, he, and that's why the chimpanzee stays a chimpanzee, it got its place, its use. I can reproduce with my ancestors but I can't do it with the base from which he grew, and that base system permits life to evolve faster in stability and at a precise wanted time, with at least one intelligence to make the process logical (UI), and a process to decide when the time is right.

No advanced life would exist on earth if every species had to start at the bottom and develop all their parts themselves.

You think?

Some of those parts took a million years or more to create, like brain modifiers, and it means we have parts in our DNA and other reproductive functions that come from dinosaurs and many other species of all kind, so scientists should stop the erection when they see a part from other species, like it's a sign that we fucked with those; there is a life system to takes and implements the bits and pieces it developed wherever it want and it doesn't mean we fucked the dinosaur, our reproduction is an automatic process to preserve life principles in stability of truth, all the way to other stars, which I like to believe will try to modify what we are. as independent Gaia (life) systems... Continuing that path,

Our solar system, even galaxy for extremists, tries to do its best you know, and it must keep going if it is to end up as one of the best in the universe, but these things tend not to be eternal, except on the roll of history...

What's that got...

Life would not be 1/100 as diverse and efficient if all kind of timing function were not involved to prevent some from creating a deadly limitation on everybody, you could see that one as automated life systems, but the level of complexity require direct intelligence. You could see it as test steps for the automatic version, the chimpanzee is a successful step, it developed from enough truths that remained stable to form higher consciousness, or better intelligence, and when it is tested as successful under that form by surviving and being stable in reproduction, when other life around it got ready, then another next step took place.

That seems to make some sense, but go slow, I'm the president, allright?

Evidently, Mr. president, as I'll explain later, there are tons of reasons for different life to exist, but it's possible some existed more specifically to develop along the chimpanzee, and something like the chimpanzee was meant to be used for us from the beginning since a vast majority of it has been transferred, and you can say we are the last step of that process from the same argument (99%).

But we could be "white" turkey of the chimp too, so we could have unexpected competitors...

Still, the automatic view is not enough to permit success on earth to me, that's why I like to involve the global intelligence,

Gaia.

And gods as helpers can be nice too.

But if I'm to put gods everywhere, then I won't explore all the possibilities of what can life accomplish by itself. That's why I won't talk about all the godly entities out there, and their psychology, that's later.

Another point that is strange about life, apart death which have no actual logical use, why the heck should we be born, grown to become healthy individuals, then die? Why not keep a perpetual state of health? If we could grow from a baby to an adult then why not? Who decided to make it impossible?

It's like the need for 2 sexes in almost all its more evolved forms, who forced this limit?

What do you mean?

I mean, those 2 points, death and 2 sexes are very hard on the simple earth survival law thing you know, who decided that cloning was inappropriate for survival? While cells are meant to divide and reproduce without errors, so why is the environment made where it is impossible on the evolutionary facet? Cloning is far simpler you know, linear, precise in its needs, boring. Let's do things more complex and interesting...

For survival someone will say.

You're missing the point; you got to know you won't be surviving or evolving to prefer a logical simpler approach to a more difficult one. I mean, there got to be some intelligence somewhere, is it the cell that can think a multiplication error would add something from a new something, or is the cell made as a receiver, under a stepped up process, like cells having radio controlled functions, since individual types of cells each need to know they must work together to get a result at a precise far away place, like healing a toe for a classic, then stop, so the next step could be a modifier in our mind, then another step could be the global intelligence process.

Such a view doesn't prevent the UI deciding the key situation that would unlock the pattern of development leading to intelligence.

Since everything is about exceptions in the perfection of everything...

It actually fits, is that your political motto or something?

The other thing is that life is life, any neuron on earth may contribute to the global intelligence, limited in animals doing stupid things with their independent consciousness, but still, my point is that all these transformation steps of life that don't make sense, like arranging the apparatus to use oxygen an make aerobic life, may have come to exist from anaerobic earth life intelligence, Gaia, or the global intelligence.

And who systemized life to a pleasure system and its related survival drive? Who decided it could take the form of a pleasure system? Who made the matter to be able to transmit massive data for intelligence? Who made the survival drive an invincible process intrinsic to the universe? If all there was to life was survival, then we wouldn't die or we'd have a single sex that reproduces with the seasons, no need for sperm and ovaries, no need for emotions, and no need for orgasms.

No need for nothing, nothingness! The system should take the easiest path no? The path of nothingness. Some guy said evolution is a matter of taking the easier path.

It looks more like the contrary in fact; it is making a specialty of taking the weirdest most complex and difficult path...

If all our "ancestors" were eliminated, some by us, why didn't we shoot the chimpanzee? Aren't they ugly enough?

What is this way of talking?

I mean, and aren't we lucky enough they didn't beat the life out of their weird babies, if you prefer, your majesty.

Mr. President.

Presidents don't talk about life sir.

He's into something, why don't we see them birth something different once in a while? Why do the chimpanzee still exist, and why no new alien modifications are born out of humans?

Maybe some independent humanoid forms quickly disappeared because they were unstable genetically, or made to be temporary.

And I'm only talking about chimp types, maybe the Neanderthal could fit, maybe not, or is it the Cro-Magnon? I don't know which, there may be more.

If we're killers, then at least we didn't massacre the chimpanzee in our superiority, so it's still there and ready to redo a humanity if we fail.

You think?

Why not?

For now I still believe the human should be among the continuation of the high consciousness goal of our system, minimally, as long as we don't block the slow evolution intrinsic to life's ways, or scientists start making monsters or slaves in their godhood...

You decided that?

Where things stands with the chimpanzee, it may even have birthed many human forms which could not reproduce with each other and the situation kind of force one to thrive at the price of others, and I'd even be careful that there could be missing steps that would even connect some old humanoid forms to other type of chimps...

I say it's all about grabbing that stick.

Could have heard Lady Gaga herself.

She could be into something with that you know...

Like we're missing some kind of pervert chrimp.

I don't listen to Gaga people, it's brambles, and falling on floor and swinging with legs the hands in the airs and trying to do something with hands.

We're not kids, you know...

You could say one of the facets of life is using brains to kick asses, developing a sensible intelligence that will fight when necessary, and win at any cost. In this situation any stupid reason could be a valid justification for intelligence to win in the long run, meaning; you're supposed to adapt to the situation, the step of intelligence and abilities you are in, and the environment too, we do exist, but while we spread on the other continent for a million years, nothing much was going on in America... It's a savage situation where your intelligence will make you survive by any mean necessary, even if many of its facets are not developed yet.

So if we genocided other humanoids it's allright?

Food is always problematic, but a belief clashing with another belief can work too.

Girls, any bullshit justification, bullshit war. Or a supremacy quest, anybody that can't reproduce with the superior race is enslaved and destroyed the bones burned, the culture half stolen.

Or a sickness where the other is seen as the cause.

Bad omen wars...I mean, with a kind of shaman inca style culture, you can't be really sure.

Wars dedicated to religions...

It think it would be wrong to assume our development is absolutely the cause of such extinctions situations people.

You could have other more primitive types simply seeing the birther as a bunch of freaks family and just eliminate them when their offsprings start kicking their ass in the jungle.

Animals are not all super nice you know, I'm sure I know some intelligent ones have been hating us a long time...

Intelligence develops, and since things can be complex it is logical that things eventually clash in our heads and we have to change; if we met again these old races today, the mental situation would be totally different because we passed many steps, and if we attacked for stupid reasons we would shoot ourselves in the foot a lot more because the intelligence steps we are in would force a different test of our abilities, like good and evil, and that applies to everything, like taking control of the environment. We will have many more steps to go through, many challenges, many tests, we can fail at any step and we enter a self-destruction pattern, but what you must understand is that life works with us, and it wants us to succeed.

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Am I missing the point? Maybe. Where was I?

Ancestry; cell division creating new species...

You could have gotten me there, but yes, cells divide to reproduce as the same, they don't think, and to create a whole being you need many initial cells. A cell dividing wrongly doesn't create new reproducible species, it create sicknesses or cancer, and if the whole kit of cells necessary for reproduction reproduces badly, you'll get a freak or a sick mutant. What I mean is that even through trillions of occurrences, the possibilities for success are very low just for a cell, and it gets worse as the complexity increases. For the present life view to have a semblance of working, it would need a trillions years, or many freaks or strange new birth.

Which would have to find their equivalent freaky reproductive opposite sex at the right time through their hundreds thousands years of all kind of different freaky morphing! The joke is that freaky skeletons seems very rare...

The massive scale is missing

They're all a bunch of skeletons with a different retarded looking craniums isn't it?

I was saying there is not enough time for slow morphing, so unless you involve another process, then to quickly enough reproduce a big modification that makes sense in a complex species you'd need a form of direct bioengineering, so who is doing it? Accidents that pop-up (quickly develop) well patented and very useful parts and skills?

High consciousness could, as the pedal of change through late reproduction.

An important point.

Just effort.

And how do you get the pressure? I'm talking about non dividing forms too, a cell is one thing, an insect or animal is another, they don't reproduce by division, even if their existence is dependent from cells dividing, they reproduce with eggs and babies.

The pressure is non 0 in genetics, in everything, infinity.

What are you talking about?

You'll see Mr. President.

So what else?

Different advanced species springing from accident in intensive fucking...

It depends on the complexity of the species, the less complex the more stable and the more reproduction, the more complex the less reproduction and the more chances you'll get a sickness. You may get a reproducible particularity by accident at a very low level of life, but at the insect point, the sicknesses you get from fucking everything easily eliminates the possibility for the quick development of a 2 sexed new species. Next, I think that if such a species over-fuck itself because their number dwindle, they won't birth something new to cope with the new factor, they'll only precipitate their end because they'll lower the quality of their sperm, get new sickness and even create non-reproductive problems. In either cases you don't get new species.

I'm far from believing that in such a situation of fear a species will thrive; fear has a tendency to not smell very good and doesn't attract as much the other sex.

But fear creates a situation of intimidating master slave fucking, easy to profit from that, so, as there is no perfume and deodorant in nature, I believe the contrary. As for ocean fishes that slowly grow legs, it can work with lots of time, but maybe we're confounding a limited twist to a species too, every species have some of these, just look for a true critical utility for humans growing long hairs, maybe if certain conditions are met, we will simply stop growing long hairs altogether and it won't mean we are becoming a new aerodynamic species.

It's like categorizing stuff without exception principles, evolution is surely not totally wrong, but I'm an exception, and I know I don't fit, and if you religiously wanted a view where I can't fit, then you could as well start a selection process to eliminate my possibility, just a loner, one lost missing link skeleton, and in fact the reality does the same thing with its selection process in a worse hypocrite way; who reproduces?

Even if you made a family with your way of thinking, it would still fail in this overwhelming selection, just saying... and no reproduction, no evolution, no missing link, just so you can keep on being a wrong human development...

That's not nice.

I don't believe you can attain human level evolution from a single cell through what we made of Darwin's theory, from random possibilities.

Darwin was late and we are still later, when you think we are just beginning to spend some little change to update the life in a bottle experiment...

That's the price of religions and of the ego-god (s) ideology; we're facing an uncertain future and we're just beginning to really care.

Caring for life really started with Darwin.

There were guys doing it long before that.

Let's not brandish Darwin around too much like he invented fire, even if his work is miraculous.

Sure that he didn't; imagine the piles of paper and the paranoia about fire...

This situation can explain a lot of limitations you know, we're talking a loner, at his time without a computer, not a governmental institution.

And working brand new critical concepts, he was not a Nostradamus messing with scriptures...

Still, I'm sure natural selection doesn't explain many developments, and I believe, the stupendous exactitude of the developing forms, you'd need to start way beyond a few million years, and with an unrealistic amount of reproduction and wasted life. It's missing a knowledge stashing and deduction ability, or an action reaction process, but nobody can prove that when we only witness things.

You won't convince me, I'm not sure about the timeline, but I started all this in part because I don't think life is entirely the result of a random chaotic process, it need, or needed, an intelligence behind to work, and this intelligence can be a global view of life or a universal view of it, or gods, but the way things are going I don't see why would anybody wouldn't be necessary.

They fit well nicely together I must admit.

More so than you think.

What's with the look Mr. Scribble?

Even in the worst scenario, everybody's doing its things logically, so I'm in.

Life systems under the influence of 5 intelligences, and let's say exploring the possibilities of life systems as connected to different intelligence is already difficult to make sense for me, and it's quite a challenge to express understandably without scaring the population into rejection... my full intelligence, my consciousness mind, the global intelligence, god (s), which can be a lot of things, and the UI as an non-definite pre-universal, which may be a far bigger than the universe physical formation of mathematical logical functional intelligence that has a logical history of changing itself.

Anybody drawing a precise vision of it for autosuggestion should be criminalized.

And the ideal god vision related to it would have gods associated to a life god as an extension of the UI that can manipulate its automatic life systems.

So in a sense life exists from pressures to reach a goal, there is a ultimate goal behind, and life systems are meant to reach it, life tries its best to reach that goal doing the tree of life along the way.

It take one wrong scientist to make the affirmation that he found the traces of the first walker imprinted in rock leading to the ocean. or the first human for that matter, or the last dinosaur, the earth is kind of big and have been through quite a lot to find such a little thing, I bet mountains had time to be flattened by nature where they found these traces...

Stay on the subject.

I just don't understand how someone can make such an affirmation; there are people who found traces of the Bigfoot too you know...

Is that what we should spend money on? When you spend millions to prove a theory, when you want so much to find proof of your final truth, be careful not to end up discovering things that don't necessarily belong at the right place from failed expectations, you could even prove miracles!

We don't like to spend all your money for no result you know, deception and you don't want to have lost so much time and energy, maybe even your love, for no return to your ego either.

Sometimes you look like you like to waste time and the money, like when you say that creatures started to walk because the water was becoming bad or evaporating? Why in hell they never did before? Why wait a precise moment, then we all grows legs and conquer the earth? And who gave the order?

There is always a planetary cataclysm in the story for sure too, meteors are the best.

I don't have the same view of those than scientists, I don't see them as destroyers but as giver of life, or destroyers of inadequate life for new inventions, and that view is still only a facet of a whole process.

Let's say they destroy a lot for the giving...

This is done with a big splash with fishes flying in the air, growing a breathing and wings along the way out of fear of death, and they better prepare legs and ugly teeth for landing, non-existing predators awaits, and they're all your descendants, you didn't think you'd become that ugly eh?

Descendants, when you think it includes the whole evolution of dinosaurs to full fetched flying dinosaurs, and do you want to make a check-up of your insect army? Strange little insects didn't walk the land first, and spores? I think someone's been had in the process, probably many, but they didn't leave big traces...

Planetary cataclysm are so fun and so impressive to watch, they blow the imagination into submission in wow explosion, and they can always explain the unexplainable, all you have to do is take a pick and run around the globe on a quest to find the fitting rock, then come back and make a pretty computer simulation that brain passive people will drink as truth. Then you can get a slab of money and recognition... A planetary cataclysm this way, and hop! Legs pop out, then 2 then 3 then 4 then 5 then 6? A planetary cataclysm for every group of species while the pelican and whale survived them all?

The earth is not older than the universe you know!

Stop exaggerating, there have truly been quite a few planetary cataclysms that changed everything and geologists have one of the most truthful sciences even if

You still don't know everything about rocks formation and you're still making mistakes from misinterpretation.

Me?

The way I see things is that most meteor strikes are tools, some will create new life, other will clear space of invader species, but worse, I don't know why meteors wouldn't be a part of a life system, and as such useable by one form of intelligence or another, all the way to being keys components to evolution, which intelligence can only use if it understand sufficiently all the panoply of scenarios available, so yes they can bring critical matter to the earth while transforming some if they smash, but being intelligent or capable enough you may be better with them in orbit...

You got out of this one nicely...

They can permit the implementation of new and more appropriate life diversity and ecosystems, in a view of intelligence always developing better forms from experimenting with stuff.

At the same time these meteors strike the earth and clear space, there are other far more profound process involved, like carrying and implementing new information to Gaia, in fact, you can see them as containers of information, which can come from other extra solar planets, and the farther away they are from in their travels, the more valuable they could be on that aspect, not that there is a cache in there, or anything we can understand consciously, but we should make efforts to relate them to us.

There is even the possibility that there is as a big system where a schema of life development is carried by matter, and not necessarily devised by gods, it can become a tool of life spreading for a creator species too

That's the species taking god style business super seriously.

I'm sure there's a process of life imprinting in matter, and when adequate contact happens, then developments of life arises depending on the environment. So if you have a planet with an incomplete environment for advanced life, then a meteor will fall and grow a path of life that will modify the environment, but the exact same meteor could develop the dinosaur if the environment is at that step, further modifying it, then the exact same meteor could destroy the whole dinosaur development once their job is done and a new life development would arise at the same time.

While scientists never understand what's going on, because it's boring when you know everything, and it's fun to prove you wrong...

What?

Again we must not extremise our vision.

Or limit it...

Life will try to fills space when it can, but it can't control independent consciousness, and the adequate development of new species or modifications can take long enough that there will be no space when it will be ready, so life very rarely develops ideally.

Life on earth didn't appear because of a meteor strike that created pressure that associated things together, to conflict the life appearing in a closed bottle, there are many scenarios that will make living stuff appear, a meteor strike is only one of those, besides, isn't a volcano exploding capable of creating such pressure conditions? And what about tectonic plates rubbing against each other? And what about center earth pressure?

I'm open to many meteor scenarios, and they all have their different use, from random strikes out of life control coming from whatever sources, to meteors that are squarely prepared for thousands of years.

In a different environment for eventual implementation of new data, even to unlock new capabilities or remove condemnations if we're advanced enough in understanding.

In the view of a solar system as a living entity meant, or programmed, to birth life, meteors could carry accelerated life systems because the origin of parts of their creation was not from earth, like the tools to create something may be useful only once, but there is nothing to say that the forge can't be a whole planet if the creation of the tool requires it. You can compare that to a virus which would need to develop in a different species before being transmitted under its useful form to another.

The conditions for the development of some formulae of implementation may not be available on earth, meaning you may need a different planet than earth to create some facets of life, and that would be one reason why we got a system with that many planets, they all have or had or will have a use in developing the high consciousness formulae of life that will go to other stars, its ultimate intelligence, us.

What are you two...Probably not.

I guess you're beginning to understand what life means to me, I like to see the whole solar system as a life machine.

Yeah, but don't go overboard with the life machine thingy...

You could say there are many steps and forms of life that didn't take place on earth, that all planets are exchanging data between themselves, they are intelligence facets, the human and earth exist because all these associated parts of the solar system worked together to create life fitting the statistics of our solar system, the whole solar system was developed with something like the human in "mind", it is a machine that took the best form it could to birth a high consciousness species, we are this form this intelligence took to reach all the goals it could deduct.

You just blown my sanity standard.

To me everything is related concerning life, no life without a cataclysm,

Everything is about a cataclysm...

Present cataclysms views are definitively not accountable for every weaknesses of the theory of evolution, I say there are a few tremendously powerful factors that we're missing.

We do that a lot, it's better for the other to be wrong first, it depends on the investment.

Foolish looking investments...

Spending our energy proving a limited theory is final and all other views are wrong in our highly competitive attitude, until we are stubbornly looking only in one direction.

While we can develop brand new concepts all over the place from just messing around while this conscious humanity thinks it knows it all.

Yes, we should always be wary of how self-inflated people and profiteers are today in this competitive environment, there will be some guy to try to take the credit for any good vision my kind of non scientific type will produce, while fucking up my terminologies.

We're not in Darwin's time sir.

It's no better, they'll use any bit of what I, the insignificant, wrote and scientifically prove they knew it from some other guy that had a concept , not understanding that we're getting along in our understanding here, of where we should be going.

And then they'll leave you with the ugly side of things because you don't have a scientific diploma, not understanding we're creating the spirituality of life and exploring its possibilities.

I never made a scientific experiment, I'm not discovering a facet of life for profits or proofs, what I'm doing is the whole package, from my revolted life to the creation of a different system, or reality.

I'm sure our view is incomplete even logically inconsistent in itself on purpose from old evil, because it was out of the reach of science so science should do some reaching, before some crappy bunch of rich babies start making a new religion to finish things off.

Yes, but we're not in god's secrets, even if we have all these interrelated visions and they must be expressed.

We may be better accepting that there may be more than one valid possibility than to compete everything to elimination for a final truth while life exists to explore and create possibilities.

Everything is connected about life.

Don't forget life disconnected psy people will accuse you of craziness if you make too many connections sir, whatever they are logical or not, it's in their psy nomenclature, so that everything gets marketed.

It's just the irony, that got to make people crazy, when they start making too many connections... just my "other" mind speaking loudly here, not really the conscious ignorant me...

I don't think species appear randomly and just "compete" to take over the place, there would be only a few species if it was that simple.

The question is more of an ecosystems one, but then there are many different ecosystems and they all raise life differently. Everything is like following some steps process of key developments, no wolf without the rabbit, both got to exist at a time with redundancy of abilities. The wolf will not exist until there's enough rabbit, and he can do that by being in a few other less aggressive species, waiting for the right situation to exist, or the right moment, since it is a forever interdependent evolving system. The wolf will be birthed, but it will never thrive for as long as the rabbit is not ready. It's like the wild turkey, the international version would never have come to exist if the human did not "unlock" it from selection, which happened really quickly. And a hundred different species must fill the rabbit spot, and a hundred must fill the wolf spot, to permit life to make mistakes while keeping its equilibrium. So the human appeared when the environment was at the right step and ready for it; for as long as things were not ready with all dependent systems safe, the chimpanzee, which contains most of what was needed, would not have "birthed" the human, it would have failed. Everything was timed flush for us, air water, species, even meteor strikes may have been initiated at the right moment as an extreme possibility.

I prefer this view than total blackness randomness.

As caretakers we can, even must, mix life and throw dirt around, but not in a braindead manner where ecosystems get destroyed. When we destroy an ecosystem of interrelated species, we take a bet on our survival; Luckily, life systems intelligence didn't develop only a few ecosystems, it has millions of years of experience seeing those come and go, so there's a lot and they're supposed to be savable, even rebuildable if you're not an enemy of life and the same original environment is made, including sufficient freedom parameters, with the same life around on the same planet from the same species we want to experience naturally fitting variations of. But we must not let invading species take over, particularly human created ones; if you can't control them and they adapt to the wild they must be exterminated.

Exterminate...all cats.

Some evolve from how we care for them, like cats, so it's our job to not make them killers. Controlling invaders (culling) and reducing our number by half, then the forest of life can become a lot bigger.

Since we're the leaders of life, the cross on the mountain, then if we deemphasize a mentality among ourselves for long enough, then global life will follow, but again the form it will take is some species disappearing or getting greatly reduced in number for more sensible ones that will want to appear.

I was saying that there is not only the wolf that eats the rabbit, and so, at a planetary scale of space, there is not only one ecosystem to make life work at its step and permit its top creation to exist; there are a hundred ones, that way many can disappear and things still work well. It's not enough however, life as sense interface between intelligence and reality

What's the sense of life again?

It's a sense.

continues its work of creation while transforming matter as moving energy as much as possible, to carry itself and accomplish projects more efficiently, minimally, because of good and evil principles, which you can compare to the battle of life and death. And so the environment is still too changing for many new species to appear, while it becomes worse for others, as a natural process of life getting out of millions years of forest experience to attain high level tech, and we should take this opportunity we have to plant the life seed in the heart of humanity before things become irreversible, so we can start growing a brand new reality with a better life philosophy and mentality, from all what we gained as knowledge and understanding until now.

That's my speech but carry on...

So if there is an empty space to fill, or if a space is not full enough, new species will come, or some will morph, or a new one may even get born to fill it, like a failed one you thought extinct, but now it can survive in the space. What I mean is that even if we may have destroyed a few ecosystems of species in our lifetime, in 100 000 years there will be equivalence or better in new creation, we can accelerate things tremendously, unless we stay at the present philosophy of overpopulation and divide the animal world as zoos.

At least we have zoos...

Ok if we change attitude and give back space, space that can take any number of form, air pollution is a limitation which can be seen as less space. But we'll save thousands of years of life work with our zoos if the animal is still adequate and we gain back wild forests.

But then wild pandas would become fat guys and make a society and become warmongers.

That can't happen, they're vegan, and you need steak to grow brains.

That's not true.

I have troubles imagining platoons of them taking a jog with guns...

But let's say the planet is in human hands, and if they start doing the smart ass they'll see who's the boss, we are the ultimate goal of solar life, we are its best form of intelligence, we are new senses too, an extension of it and so the beautification of the planet is in our hands, not pandas!

What if pandas extraterrestrials debark?

We give em a run for their money sir?

No, no, we accept them with open arms

Yeah, right.

That's what I'm talking about, it wouldn't work in current mentality, one way or the other, that they developed from interacting with us or debarked from a spaceship.

Hadn't we decided to give them an enclave for a chance?

I bet they know it.

Gaia does, life is a systemic intelligence, the link between us and the universe, and it will eventually relinquish a vast part of its job to the high consciousness patent that proves adequate as a caretaker, morpher, and goal reacher, while continually trying to steer us in the right direction so we don't destroy it while learning how to live in the universe even if life probably don't know what the universe is, the global intelligence may know, but our consciousness makes us blind to it., it will know from us, its new sense and intelligence that is going to reach and experience farther. What we can somewhat assume it knows is what's necessary to make a human functioning in reality, which is a tremendous lot, maybe everything if we're totally adequate, but it knows the laws of its systems minimally, basic matter interactions, atomic and molecular, all the way to the solar system, which are a reflection of things going on in the universe...

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I get you, it is our job to deal things well between us and wild life, there are many species now inadequate because of us and it is the way it should be, if they can live in zoos allright, but we must leave space (whatever the form) so life grows back more adequate species.

And never think a species is extinct if the environment for it still exists, it can reappear anytime, proportionally longer to its size and complexity; if it doesn't appear again it simply means it is inadequate, which may eventually apply to us...And don't forget that "life" is always experimenting. And don't think it can't have fun and emotions behind your back, it developed these things...

Now that the good an adequate, human is here

You're taking too much credit for the positive sir...

thousands of new life variations will "appear" because the human is ready and kicking, like the potato, the white turkey, big strawberries and many more that we will develop in the future.

These things were almost ready for the human presence, they needed the human to exist, even if life made them ready, or you could say they needed human protection, and the shameful price is in all the options we'll be missing from our power trip over it, to prevent some from competing my appreciation of it too fast with their wrong view of god (s)... Yes gods can do lots of things, but what you got to take in consideration is what we can do; neither Gods nor Gaia sees us as animals, we are their ultimate pride, we are their goal, nothing less.

Every intelligence out there knows we'll do genetics and technology, we exist in part for this, we'd be a failure if we didn't. So it's not you or god that invented life, life made itself from the work of the UI and its systems, and you work from those too.

And while life will help you reach noble goals, its systems will works with you, gives you troubles and rewards as a mean of understanding when you're taking a good or wrong path, it knows from the laws of its systems you break, and while you'll hate it and make a fixation on the bad because you think you're superior and understand and control everything in your lack of judgment, you'll hardly notice the fantastic gifts it bestows you or even the world.

They'll even take the credit in their ideology...

I should add that life slowly develops and transforms, consciously or unconsciously, its environment; life "adjusted" the environment, which means that we may lower noticeably its cyclic transformation strength, by affecting its ecosystems too much globally, like eating it all senseless for a population of entertainment babies, or making too much of an emphasis on its peaceful, tolerating and accepting side, or changing its biomass transformation value too much toward lone "god" animals well tamed to serve our needs, or polluting for the fun of it, without using our available tools to study first, in truth.

That's a bit much know how...

I cheated

I believe it possible that many cataclysms happening on earth could be related to stresses on life. What I mean is that these things happens, but life systems may prevent or encourage some. And it can be anything, like the start of a volcano era...

I cheated too

Be careful, it is capable of using its forms to plant traps or prepare surprises thousands of years in advance...

So you understand that the current view of life is not enough for me, I see many interrelated global system missing, even intelligences, so we're talking belief here, which is a concept that can fit well with exploring possibilities, so I'm just feeling the earth and its life, from my the amalgam of knowledge I believe most probable from science; if it was more advanced or complete with life, then maybe my opinions, even beliefs would change.

What does science has to say?

Go for it Mr. science guy!

It's Life Infinite here, you should go in Lift-Off!

What's with the hostility, I only said nice things! I'll give you equivalent space there allright? For now what I see are species that morph a little, like they are not perfect for the place they are to take when they "appear", they adjust, then stop, filling an exact place in an ecosystem, most becoming dependent and critical to it, responding to all kind of limitations "forces" in the environment, slowly growing their capacities.

Me I'll add that life mainly evolves within the random parameters available to it from the environment, and its potential diversity should increase if optional limitation are lifted or new factors appear. Either an existing species slowly take that space by its greater independence capabilities, or any number of new species will appear filling it, often using the same basis.

But that space can be taken by any number of variables, not necessarily life. In this view, the competition is not to what species is superior; it is who will take the space by any means necessary; it is basic unconscious survival drive added to an independence drive dependent from an ecosystem composed of an "infinity" of individual creatures all somewhat related together to form a whole with the human as its consciousness caretaker. If one of the goals of life is survival, then maybe survival is better served by global equilibrium than by competition at all cost.

Strange we all get along so well together...Natural selection, that's where we're at presently, but even if limiting our view of life as a surface only, this is not enough to me and confounding at it. Surface life dynamics, inventing a term that will prevent people from even thinking that there could be other phenomenon going on. So natural selection mostly exists in an environment where forced adaptation is required; I prefer environmental competition as a term, it is less confounding don't you think?

We'll try.

It is a species versus its environment, which may be other species.

I'll add to the table environmental dependence, species dependent from their environment or each other to survive, and environmental implementation, species or the environment meant to carry new genetics to species. Environmental limitation too. |And all of these processes are supposed to be working together at any given time.

Like the theory of chaos, the theory of "natural selection" is misleading terminology, the place of chaos is that existence may have started from a chaotic situation, past that there are only laws or order as the logical contrary of chaos.

You're too straight there, the term chaos can still be used to describe a senseless situation.

But just superficially, and life expresses itself as a whole inside the walls of these laws which, in a life environment, are continually changing, each moment is generated within a cone of probabilities.

A moment...

Momentum.

Probability of being there.

There are limitations brought about by these laws upon life, thus environmental limitation. Life expresses itself inside matter's array of forces playing a lot with limitations, until high consciousness, which is life too, creates or lift more limitations from exploring possibilities and working reality.

Natural selection means selection from nature, or savage ecosystems and that can't exist if nature aint got consciousness intelligence for direct intervention, so the theory would be better saying that it is the environmental situation that permits some speciess to thrive or not. Intelligence or consciousness pressures and manipulations are the only form of selection possible since to select you need consciousness or logical deduction of possibilities and impossibilities coming from the work of intelligence. Animals in nature do it a little, but they are mostly under unconscious laws which permits them to live in a "gap" in the environment permitted by possibilities, then competing, learning and morphing to some extent, to keep their place or extend it, all the while modifying reality unconsciously (no direct conscience of global effects) creating more limits and different gaps, call that the "find a niche then try filling the niche" principle. These limits and gaps are continually changing, that's why you got to have a slow morphing process and an intra-species mutation process as well as the possibility to have a new species. A species like us can decide some facets of these things, and we've been doing it from the beginning with the wrong basis.

Like when I talk about selection created by human pressures, I'm talking pressure selection from consciousness or intelligence, humans using artifices to pressure some to thrive and other to disappear; pressure selection can be a good thing, or a bad one.

It's like cats, we say their actions are "hard coded" and so we standardize them over time as we will slowly make a selection through with pressures to reflect our autosuggested beliefs. Now, if a cat sees a mouse, he's supposed to play with it until it dies then eat it, but I've got a cat never killed anything in all the years he's been with me, not even an insect. Now, if we started selecting such exceptions, maybe they wouldn't be so rare, they could become the standard and we'd say cats are naturally "hard coded" to be peaceful and sensible animals with claws for scratching instinctively.

Your cat?

Yes, and I bought it when he was little and never told it what to do. I selected it because of its unusual attitude like it understood what was going on, in the middle of a big cage with something like 20 little cats, all playing around. We named it Cassandra, and under some light conditions the ivory part of his coat looks rose, coat which is ivory-gray striped and spotted, and you have never seen eyes like that in a cat. It was a true Siamese lynx and if you think little cats are cuter, mine only got better with time. Evidently it had more magic than that, and its death broke my heart and filled me with regrets for not caring enough, and the irony is that my cat never live with little kitties around, and it was the most adequate in attitude for it.

Tragic...

My example may not be the best, but my point is that pressure selection can indirectly exterminate certain type of individualities and possibilities among a species over time by emphasizing a view of things or lifting and creating limits that will limit the number of diversity which can fill a space. And when this is encouraged by science that believes itself as the bearer of truth, particularly about life, brandishing their science to and fro like a weapon or an argument for credibility, the selection is made more precise and drastic to slowly reflect the implanted beliefs in people.

Standardization and pressure selection can be very good things, but we can select and standardize hell too.

That's why I'm not a big amateur of the natural selection concept, because it is an unconscious argument for pressure selection which can have devastating and irreversible effects if used for wrong reasons, which is not very good on the caretaker concept.

There is a difference between choosing a cat because you like it and choosing one because you bow to some amplified thing you heard. I bet you'd have less of a tendency to abandon the cat you liked than the one you got under pub influence.

Probably he was just an imbecile influenced by Catholicism and rich people and unconsciously

Who?

He was stuck with Catholicism going very strong, so he made something useful or neutral versus the ego-god (s) ideology, maybe not, maybe he had to deal his theory with religion to skip getting assassinated.

Evidently...

Maybe that's why he never extrapolated more visions about life. Maybe if he had grown in a different situation his vision would have led him to battle self-inflated people and religions. What if he had accepted to develop a life spirituality and developed the argumentation?

Doing so he would have grown more than a facet, he would have grown a new ideology; his work would have exploded in possibilities, whatever he was missing some truths, or discoveries, he still worked in the dark a lot, he didn't see DNA, as an example.

However, even if it was pitted against religious crackpots, in its smallest shy form it succeeded at existing because a person, surely not you

Me?

cared about it to the point of writing a superb piece of work in a very difficult situation against all opposition.

Don't

The spiritual aspect is not there with science.

You're exaggerating a little, we have a lot of unexplained things, exceptions that don't fit, we don't have a simple magic god formulae

You can't explain everything with E=mc2.

No, even if some would want.

And the same with life, it is far more than Darwin theory, and it doesn't hold together without a goal.

There are tons of things we don't understand and can't explain, and you want to associate what you don't understand with a logical spirituality of life and the universe, in a way that remain logically simple enough for people to understand when younger and not pass their life going nuts over it.

That's just it.

As for Darwin, his view of life as an enemy of religions just pushed people into rejection, even denial, they don't question any science no more, it's just atheism pushed to brain implosion. Science with Darwin decided that people are animals and no thinking about it. Or maybe they thought about it so much psy wrote it in their nomenclature, and now tons of people don't see themselves as better than that, it's like a justification for brain-dead stupidity, and it's gone far enough that even physical and mental differences are no argument.

If humans are animals, then we can say animals are insects, except for the "vertebra vs non vertebra" thing, you know...

So if we follow this "logic", then humans are no better than insects, except when we take aptitudes difference, and we're as well sit down and relax and wait for god to debark and crush us by inadvertence.

If you reduce the human to compare it in your dissection competition, then you can say it is an animal with boosted facets, but I'm a generalist, and taken as a whole in its capacities, you'd be very stupid to compare what a human can accomplish with anything from the animal world

Yes general

so go back to school and learn all what differentiate a human from an animal, everybody that fight for this vision. You know how I defend life, why would I take this stance of separating humans from animals? For the vegans it is in part because I can eventually separate myself from eating it for my energy, nice eh? And you know I'm very much not in superiority inferiority and godly ideology, so why would I not want to be an animal? In life hugger concept, I should be proud to be an animal no? No, because it completely destroys my whole book if I can't qualify things as they are in meaning, I write as a human for life, not as an animal, what I do no animal can do it, but I do it for animals as much as humans, and trees...too. I'm a human, a bear is an animal, a worm is an insect, and when I want to confound my capacities with the capacities of animals, then as a sane mind, I compare myself for fun, or use the word "life" it exists for that, the animal word exists to describe animals.

Yeah, me too I just hate what they do with intelligence, when I have a hard time explaining stupid things because they're so low they're actual unconscious trolls. I guess that for many morons, like those suffering from vegetalism, who find their intelligence in eating greeneries, then you got to see life as a Darwinian tree of animals.

Greeneries.

Poor vegans

It's just they piss me off with the superior intelligence sometimes, some of the most moronic, closed minded and self-inflated people I've met were vegetarians, that and travelers... some, not all, I mean, there are better ways than going vegan to cure stupidity, and where there's bullshit, there's place to dismantle it...

Are you sure reality is getting through allright in your dimension?

Be careful of your assumptions, it's not because I defend life that I'm shy eating it.

What?

Or that I talk about good and evil that I'm into religions, or that I believe in the UI that I believe in any vision of god. So if you respect me because I believe in your wrong vision of god, you assume all wrong, stop the respect immediately because things can degenerate quickly in a serious philosophical exchange with involved religious people, any sect people too.

The only thing I give present believers over atheists is that they are able to feel that things have a logical sense in the universe, or they are closer to their true intelligence (soul), or feel that everything is perfect, this feeling have been exploited.

That's in part what I'm doing with this book, writing about all the traps of this reality. I see nothing wrong if people explain the unexplainable with magic btw, it becomes problematic when you spread your fantasies as facts to masses. And it's super cool assuming things, I do it all the time, but it's always a slippery place, better have good judgment or you end-up in said traps...

Good judgment in the dark.

Darkness of space...

Let's zoom from outside all the way where it's going on.

Through its eyes.

Set the speed commander...

We were talking about being an animal, and I say that if you decapitate it, then yes, you'll find hands on the gorilla, eyes on pigs, anuses on giraffes, and grow the brain and the hands on the gorilla and he may as well start playing guitar... and grow the brain and punch the face some more and run 2 million kilometers in the desert and yes, I'll welcome you as a student in dealing with high consciousness, because the true difference is there; consciousness and the level of intelligence, or the level of capability at making the world better, that it so I'm not an animal or insect. I don't care what life you are, if I can't exchange philosophical or artistic notions with you and you're a problem, then I eat you if you are an animal with a big population, or tolerate you if you are just a dumb human. The Darwinians, the vegan, the atheists too, don't categorize yourself too fast.

People who act like they are better, or superior or special, they mostly reveal pathetically ordinary around here, or worse.

Yeah, the people who tend to impress me live an ordinary life, it's a shame that I have to sometime kick them a little when talking pressure selection, but they are the most valuable and interesting people, the most mentally sane too

And you like humility, let's say it...

Maybe, but it's not submission, for self-inflated people...

You self-inflate somewhat...

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That's how it is for me, I may not find it useful to socialize with most people, but I can appreciate to discuss temperature or politics or whatever with normal people, something I don't do with those who are in a competition to justify their bullshit, which often don't make sense fundamentally, like the anti-money gang who think they can run an advanced civilization without money or a reward system, or the anarchist who think we can run an advanced civilization without a decision system.

When you are deficient enough to endorse such ideas, then I guess that you may be deficient enough to believe you are special or better for defending them. I can't argue because it's like arguing with someone who's seen ghosts, everybody knows ghosts don't exist, but some people think otherwise, and their long fight to defend their belief strengthened it until it's a frustrating waste of time for people like me to expose facts.

They still have the right to believe in whatever they want, we base this work as an exploration of such extreme possibilities...We give em some credibility by interrelating them logically.

We show they can't be rejected that easily.

Yes, yes, they may really have seen a ghost, or an illusion of it, but so little and hidden amongst a planetfull of humans doing far worse crimes than brutalizing a family member to death to create a ghost? But yes, I try not to use the "impossible" word, and if I feel so alone on this overloaded planet, then there may as well exist a ghost...just to mess things up...But I have the right to put on my headphones and remain silent when you start talking...

So that's it, crushing an insect is something I do, I care a little, particularly when I'm little, to discover that life is as fun as toys, but steer away from an adult me or die splattered, I'm too important and capable, I don't have time for this no more...

Now that you made it clear that insects are meant to be slammed and animals ingurgitated, what about a human, what does your type do with people?

That is not the point, the point is that the difference here is consciousness, you think a dog decides the way I do? No, so they better stay at their place, have their utility, and this is unconscious, the logic is, life systems make it work beautifully, to the unimaginable point of view where some guy is actually writing about it, not only seeing the animal and insect complex and too perfect dance, but understanding that it cannot exist just from simple competition laws.

A powerful ability.

We must no more be unjust among animals as we are supposed to be among ourselves.

What?

That's contrary to this reality's philosophy.

No animal is a "god" to protect or an enemy to kill, the "racist" selection we are making with animals that "please us" may very well turn against us in the end. We must take as much care of wild ecosystems as we are taking care of domesticated farm animals which are hardly part of an ecosystem anymore. I wouldn't want to live in a world where there is no wild life, only a humanly created profit systems, where animals or other races exist in "zoos", reserves, for the profit and enjoyment of superior "humans", selected half free half domesticated animals gotten from a selection that would fit our flat planet.

Dramatization.

We understand the importance of life, our dependence from it, but we are not animals, we work differently in the brain and for different reasons, different potential uses for consciousness, different learning ways and different functions among many fundamental differences, some of which I explained earlier. We are humans, protectors of life, gardeners of it if we are competent, and when we see a place for it to grow, we help it as we have the tools to do it. We may even somewhat select what life will grow, but we have to be careful, think very long, and not overwhelm wild life with our selection, or worse, direct manipulations, particularly for profits.

Maybe we can appreciate living with life more than we think, maybe it is more intelligent as a whole than the biggest scientist

Big...

Bigger.

maybe we'll gain far more enjoyment, self-respect, pride, humility, watching and living through what it has to show us with the help of science to guide, help and show possibilities instead of schematizing an half true image of it, maybe it will be as fun getting surprised by life than by growing big egos that need to have "machined" life, or still alive menus, or life in front of the gun for that matter...

Yet, we are a unique, exceptional, miraculous, extraordinary species, like many, we have the whole gamut of life feelings, we can express them in a panoply of ways, talking, writing, clothing, we can care to develop extreme empathy, and on the other side we are precise laws too, we are logic, we are geometry, we are consciousness and whatever we do to hide it, it will always show, and we must be proud of that, that's an unbelievable gift, particularly when it reflects good systematization and efficiency while helping life globally.

Shall we applaud?

So we should be careful not to emphasis survival too much while failing to specify environmental complexities, because evolution is dependent from the environment, a species will evolve differently depending on the type of environment, and never skip or destroy exceptions, everything is in the exceptions.

That's the type Christianity and this ideology likes so much to eliminate in its witch hunts and perfect life and intelligence exploitation quests...

I would tend to say they can be the pride of life.

But it doesn't work in a hell of slippery fundamentals...

You could say, but I was talking about how life changes the environment, and how to see the process dynamically, as a wheel,

An added difficulty setting...

What are you talking about?

We're talking you along your adventure, remember? Your big game... Think of the team working to script stuff like this to make the game world change...

Yes, but wasn't I the president or something? You were saying...

We should try to make life reach its best path, which includes the best environment to get the best evolutionary result, to go along the survival principle, which life get it from its pleasure system, and the other aspect which should hoover around in the necessary exploration and creation of possibilities. Until now it's been action reaction and competition, but I defend the concept of a new reality to create a diversity of environments, cultures, that will push us to take our best evolutionary form.

Yes and everything must be taken into consideration, because a human can change his environment "easily", and it is supposed to be able to survive "any" environment, with technology, so we'll need all what we gained as knowledge and technology which is beginning to be quite advanced in many aspects, so war and destruction is not an option, furthermore, we'll need to remove military research and pass it to an emphasis on other research as we develop this new environment, while continuing survival business as usual...

As we already talked about in The Seat Of My Mind there is a big ideological aspect related to survival too, and the present one will tend toward an extremisation of it along with the whole philosophy and mentality gravitating around.

Philosophy and mentality gravitating around.

You have the right to do anything to survive some guy said, if not you die, and you got to become god, or god in human image can do what it wants, like systemize things as a cheater to never be replaced again, which invalidates the whole life reason for existence...

That could works if you're a lone guy on a desert planet, but you won't succeed in space that way, so you failed surviving. I mean, at some point your survival is dependent from others, who have the same survival right, or die, so that's where good and evil or ideals embark in the equation, and one aspect of it is associating and helping each other while sharing fairly, evil as in creating a system that bring luxury to some while cheating others of their fair chance, or rights.

An ego ideology travestite this right to survival, or die, by associating itself to survival since in the end there is only one guy left, before he dies too.

This is ridiculous, survival is better served by many, like life shows all over the place. But knife to knife? I'll kill my enemy. So don't confound ego-god's ideology with survival, and that's important; to survive I'll kill, steal, manipulate or lie and I won't be evil for it, but when my needs for survival are satisfied, then I lose the right to these actions, which are not evil, they are just things that people logically don't like to be the victims of.

The basics...

And that tells a lot of the pile of commandments that is written in a way that proves that the person that wrote them had no idea what good and evil is, so they just made laws, for people devoid of brains.

The irony is that at my epoch I consider that I'm in a survival scenario, but I still got the class to go far beyond my little person, because, well, aren't we 8 billions? And I don't steal because it's not worth the risk. So ego inflation competition is out.

Good and evil if you're so inclined to accept the concept, starts when survival ends, so it is the best for evil to stretch survival principles to the other end of the universe and back, to justify the means in the end I suppose... It's not evil to assassinate, it is just a fact that nobody likes to get assassinated, but it is evil to assassinate for almost all reasons, the same for raping, stealing, and lying, and all the rest of the logical unfair situations caused by others willingly, fairness as the most important principle of good.

It's just logic, no need for a concept, it is a logical right, the most powerful argument of the universe, unless you invalidated it by acting unfair, sold it, then it will be blasphemy in your mouth. That's been understood a million years ago, so what makes an action evil is always the intention, where the means are, and just under is the messenger...

The ego-god's ideology reflects our effort to obtain a result, survival is just a tool used to help the effort, and while it generally expresses that we have patented everything around a vision of self-inflated beings competing to take and control as much as possible, it is still quite inevitable because at the beginning it is about survival, then it's super easy to relate self-inflated attitudes to survival attitudes, which are different things. And you somewhat have to do it proportionally to ignorance, all the way to brute strength, because someone got to run things or keep things together, the family for a start, both parents ideally, the tribe, and then sex competition got to sips in until you use anything around for a bigger advantage, and while you're fully satisfied, you know you die, and you're supposed to make thing work as the boss, or provide greater wisdom, and interdependence require you to try to make things work systematically, but there's always someone trying to stretch an elastic, until someone survives lightning, or compare himself to the sun, things like that... This system is the logical development of the two main existential drive as one, survival and reward (used as building tools to form personality, difference, to expand possibilities too), raised to extremism by a competition emphasis, and a view of hierarchical superiority raised to totalitarism vision; on your knees, before the ego-god's ideology, and it's sexist family hierarchy, raised to dynasty...

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So for me, it is interrelated environmental systems that influence the most the thriving or not of species. I see the main process by which species develop to their ideal place as enforcement by environmental pressures and limitations. Next, I don't think that species trying to fill, expand or keep a space can be called evolution, the evolution is in what the species develop through time. Without wanted and decided limitations, every species and variations possible would exist and that can't be possible, or a single one eating dirt would be no better.

You can't pile life beyond the atmosphere.

It's all a matter of limitations, if dinosaurs start eating all the trees, they will create a limitation in the environment, the same for a poisonous insect, this variation exists because there is a place for it, meaning that birds eat, limit, them all except the one with that variation, and yes, the new variation exist for the species to keep its place or update it too, by witnessing, sensing, the reality around it. Now, if the reality is death and the species is necessary, you can bet it will get the means to surpass the obstacle, whatever it get a little displaced or lose efficiency at its goals because it has lost its best place, but the new place may end-up better, everything is a matter of forces within environmental limitations. You think you'll kill the bees? No way, you'll enter in a mortal combat with life, or the whole solar system, whatever view suits you best; when bees will die you will die with them, it will mean you failed.

We're not writing this to create Nostradamus paranoia with bees, there's an adaptation process that concern the whole planet between the extremes we can reach technologically and life in the woods, and while this process is slow, many populations and diversities will take a hit, get used to it, some will need more time to adjust, other already found themselves a new niche.

Bees in the niche...

What do you mean?

Nothing...

And apart critical species, you got to consider that the fragility of some can become a problem; you don't want vast spaces condemned to very little diversity because you have a dinosaur cow on spot that's super good for tourism, that applies to plants too, some plants become inadequate.

Humans caretakers of knowledge and understanding takes all its meaning here, and let's say, as a middle line, that until now we're half and half responsible for species extinctions as much as the natural processes. So in theory we shouldn't make a paranoia for species disappearing except if we are very much responsible evidently, like for poaching or toxic choking or heavy territory encroaching.

Beyond that there is a philosophy to have with territory once we have created environmental stability, and my ideal vision on that would be to preserve or develop as many different stable environments of different sizes as possible, and then let it available to practically any life, in a virgin space view. We understand that many independent ecosystems can work on the same space, since you need many "rabbit and wolf" types, and in an environment that's been devoid a lot, it will tend to be the smaller ones that will appear at first; you give many chances to the extrapolations you want to see in such a scenario, which mean you can somewhat grow them independently and drop them in the environment, because in nature a lightning strike can quickly wipe out your whole new family that took thousands of years to appear, so you're better with a backup family, and still better with a bunch of them at different places. Once they're started, if they still go decline then you abandon, or you can quickly modify the environment as the selection process, like if an evident species is already all over others ecosystems and you'd want an alternative to develop, ideally you don't do it by selecting species for food, but by changing the environment, and at the limit you can make the environment unavailable like if you have a rampaging species.

That's constructive talking, here's how we'll do this thing, it's like we're already there...

That's her place sir...

The effect of culling that can quickly develop ecosystems as sources of food for humans as we know, maybe it's a necessary sustainable vision for tribe people full of wisdom who act like they never caused an extinction, but food is not the goal here, even if we have to control populations, and enjoy the food too. The principle comes hand in hand with life taking example from its leading form, ecosystem ideally should serve themselves if we understand the tremendous investment of stepped up energy it forwarded to us as food, while one of its goal is to stop eating itself for energy, even if that's super utopist, so the greenery and small life should feed the process of developing more advanced life, until you don't need to do it anymore, where you leave the Gaia energy alone for it to continue feeding other evolutions while growing diversities, in ideal principle, because eating is the most terrible limitation to life expansion, evolution and diversity, even if it's kind of necessary.

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Just don't forget that new species arising will be a "challenge" for some other species, and not only on the space aspect, but on the new data circulation aspect too, so it can cause the evolution of other species as well as their sickness, new viruses may even appear, and while you'll tolerate it if you lose a bunch of crocodiles, you won't have the same opinion if it is your precious human that lose a part of its population. But where we are we should survive anything that arises as life on earth, and whatever you want to help the process for it to take its best form or not, it will happen as new life appear from how we modified the environment.

A tribe in the wood could be scared for its existence and twist the process to say that it is evil to dig up dirt, so they can keep on with the nudism stuff, but it would be wrong for a technologically advanced civilization to bullshit itself into thinking that the glamour of living in the woods forever is a synonym of wisdom, for those who tend to develop their argumentation around "holier than thou" principles to hide or ignore or justify their bad attitudes by reflecting these on others...

It's the best or appropriate species that will fill the biggest or easiest or cutest space competition, and to fill most space everybody must try to become independent in association levels increasing interdependence and life mass which is a goal. The choice of species development is mainly a slow random one based on what already exists as possible species that slowly morph and adaptable developments gained. With time the modifying of the environment by others will force most in a process of slow morphing. With still more time, new environmental limitations will force some to become inadequate to keep a space and even if they can still exist, there is no solution for their guaranteed survival. Even though everybody is interdependent, some will develop in a fashion that make them more independent through their skills, and a species that gains a lot of independence and skills becomes something more precious.

A more complete and complex species that went through a lot?

What all that means is that an old species can stay there while another faction will continue on its own agenda, often to protect a special trait that polarize opinions. So the gorilla exists as a stable gorilla and will forever stay a gorilla, even if he grow longer fingers. But having a stable enough gorilla, life can create the situation for a modification to meet it, like with the sting of an insect, and a bunch of gorillons will take a different path, become something else, slowly leaving the gorilla behind, finding another place. The problem is that all gorillas should do it, it's just that all gorillas are different, it's like people who have the capacity to keep HIV dormant, some gorillas will get modified, other not, so the initial gorilla keeps on existing, stays at its place, even if in theory it's supposed to better roaming the earth, to find new environments that will complement its genetics, and I could even go farther than that; humanoid forms should be studied for their needs and effects on an ecosystem, where you may be better with a bunch of chimp type families than with a vast heard of quadrupedals that eat almost all vegetation, because this is how you may unlock new form of humans.

Like the missing yeti, for think big American dream people.

Just be careful, it may not be possible to downgrade a human back to chimp,

Except mentally it seems...

so everything is made to keep the door open for life systems to react, if the human kills a lot of important species, then it will need to go through a thousands of years of stepped evolution to bring back such species to existence. And it goes from small to big, a new bacteria you don't like may become a replacement animal to one you destroyed, a virus too.

Those do all kind of things sir, like feeding on your intestines as an accelerated step in their process to become something else like an insect birthing in your shit that will eventually sting all kind of animals until it meet the right one that will start it birthing a new variant that will be on a quest to become something like a human.

On another planet...

Almost all bacterial, viruses and insects are good things, and they're all part of step processes, they all have a job, some stay little things doing their jobs, having found their use and place, other are on an extraordinary complex quest they have no idea about, carried and transformed in a thousand forms until you got a high consciousness form that can actually question the how in hell things came to this...

You understand that the more advanced life dies, the more the insect world should take over, if the space is kept available, in a life degrading scenario, and you won't gain back the old forms, but new ones appropriate to fit in the new spaces and new gained knowledge. Furthermore, life won't grow only one form of a new species, it will grow a hundred, that way there is a few ones that will thrive. It's a process that grows from any limiting factors, a change of temperature can invalidate millions of species, even if some became ultimately independent since the fundamental matter transformation process, as life, limits independence greatly. Life will then develop from the remaining bases to form new species forever more independent.

You could see this independence potential as a pyramid, and I said independence, keep it at that, life got its forest if you remember.

The forest of life.

That, but pyramidally speaking, at the few steps under us there should be a bunch of family types humanoids, and this could apply to the whole earth as ecosystems, you have micro ecosystems that can work for little life, all the way to the earth as a vast interrelated ecosystem for the step of independence we are in, until we're so independent we can quit earth with synthetic food.

I get it.

Yet the pyramidal vision is always too superficial and quickly end-up wrong with life when you think of it as a whole, a wheel is better.

I'm not saying the contrary, and since there is life for any adequate environment, and life eats living matters, then blood flow can become an environment, and then this life will make whole ecosystems in there, some will find their place, trustable basis that the whole bloody world can trust as an indestructible fact of existence because life made it so, others will try to find weaknesses, a niche, and ultimately you'll have life with more independence capabilities that will escape the being to go explore other territories, but as a wheel their capabilities should grow proportional to the complexity of the environment they are in, like us ultimately.

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Viruses are a class apart.

Like all the other classes, for people who confound everything for an argument, a mentality that tends to serve mass psychopaths and their agendas, this tendency to remove deep relations for superficial manipulation mess-up the right logical interrelations of everything, they are the crazy ones making sick connections that don't make sense, like supposing humans can be treated like insects, or that they're viruses infecting the earth, or social animals, for psy psychopaths...worms anybody?

At school we had someone that really looked like a...well...

It reflects a lack of respect for the whole life intelligence and the place it conquest at great expenses, insects are as worthy as you, they are different things, not inferiors that you compare humans to.

Relax max...

On some planets, dinosaurs could develop civilization, on other planets maybe ants could do it, it all depends on which environment they succeed at living long enough within their own limitations, and what the life systems "deducted" as the best it could do. All that limits the choice of bases from which independence can develop, and most often than not, they develop creating self-limitations that stops them from forming civilization by changing the environment; they may have become independent enough to fill space like crazy but didn't develop the consciousness level or technological level necessary to skip deteriorating their environment or to permit them to survive in the new one they created, or again, they may be so deficient in life appreciation that they don't understand that they are dependent from the health of wilderness, like if we give too much importance to our tamed slave animals and plants at too much of a price on wilderness.

Wilderness calculated at the feet square, imagine when you had dinosaur roaming about, what was wilderness then?

What was their sicknesses, their viruses...

Think of feeling the weight of your 50 tonner piece of meat stomping the ground with a neck that goes over the trees.

They play mech games, ah...

As heard, vegetable life must have been magnificent, you'd probably find it very uncomfortable though, but you still have their work as yourselves. But I was saying that size seems be a way to more independence, but it's still a matter of the environment, like the optimal size of high consciousness planetary life appears to fit the human perfectly, like probably there was nothing super fancy at the time

Yes the human contribution to this is extraordinary, like the flower world.

Fruits and vegetables too

We seems capable of doing anything logical in the universe, but with less limitations and more morphing, a new form of ants as big as a thumb with a queen as big as a dog could get a super thrive treatment. If their environment stays adequate for thousand years or more, while limiting others, and their interdependent ecosystems grow, they could go through many such steps until they become as big as dogs with a queen as big as a mammoth! But it's just an example of a possibility, it doesn't have to work like that, particularly for insects which may be limited to stay insects.

As a matter of fact, why do insects don't become that big? I don't see logical reasons, if you don't tell me the limit is the reason, logically...The whole insect world is limited at the ax, not limited in an intermixed manner, there are no rabbits with a cockroach's head, no, the whole kit is apart.

The whole planetary environment can be seen as a limitation imposed for a wanted result; us. And yes we can find that limit and how it exists, there are vertebras and non-vertebra, external and internal skeletons, and glands, etc, but along with it there should be an environmental limitation since there are tons of spaces without "wolves". There are limitations appropriate to species complexity too; a species that need too much of a precise environment may not be a good base for much diversity since it would be too complicated to make something much different from it, what do you want to make of the big turkey, beside inflate it still further?

Ask it, I bet you'll get a laugh...

So it may stay as it is eternally, slowly morphing to keep its space, never losing the work of time (truth). Everything is a process with steps. While limitations change, a basis will work reality for its independence while limiting others, the limits it imposes on others retards them, then the basis may go one step further, then test the environment creating more potential by being food or by changing it, lifting more limitations for the like of themselves to become more independent ideally, and so on until they reach self-limitations. It's like the old base permitted the lifting of enough limitations to permit a new brain function or sense or physical aspect to take adequate time forming itself for adaptation, because it's still a matter of intelligence and independence capacity at doing anything realistically feasible. Yet, it's still an enclosed process, not a global one, meaning an external limiting factor can suddenly wipe it all. So if they can stay in their corner long enough they can develop the consciousness and abilities to become global, they may be near such a point but perish through bad luck, their death caused simply by a new limitation like a fire or a brute strength dinosaur migration eating them all, or they may forever stagnate or die of "depression" if other species pressure them in a zoo corner without future options.

Don't stop I guess...

As time advances, more and more complex and complete species can act more and more on reality independently, sometime replacing the less complex and more dependent ones. Yet, life seeks to fill a maximum of space, the more complex, complete and independent; the better, but you eventually end-up in a clash because life everywhere is no better than life nowhere. It will try to reach a best efficiency point for the environment it sense (knows), it doesn't transform matter as an energy source for nothing, it does it for itself, to take another form, so all the process of transforming matter as life and as an energy source where everybody devours everybody else end-up in our belly with a burp.

And it is good like that since everybody die and life know what to do with your death.

When the species looks around and spot a space, it says; "well, well, well, since I'm truly motivated to survive, I could live there, nobody does", or "here's a niche, no dog in it, no place is gonna be better for me", but the possibility must exist and no one else must limit the space, in such a case, the species creation process will simply stagnate at some point until the limitation is lifted which will permit it to continue on its development path. However, there may be a million possible species to fill the space taken by a single one, so whatever the emphasis, wild life development is a big mix-up, but still with an order, all kind of critical categories and steps, and aspects, like the form the intelligence takes, that to me I see as a whole for any species category, meaning an ant has its intelligence working as a whole, with more of a god intelligence with very limited ones at its disposition, herds of animals are a single intelligence, humans are specially complex on that aspect because one can quit the lot in a vessel and do anything independently, but the vessel took a planet and history of life and human intelligence to build.

And it barely work globally, it's maybe at around 10% nominal in efficiency toward life or noble goals because it has grown mentally incapacitated.

So let's say independence is as strong as the need for association; I can work all my life independently, but it's worthless if I do it just for me.

That's a quick way to sum it up.

I'll have to get your "notes"...

The earth ultimate form of this intelligence association is the global intelligence, which at the beginning, take the form of a process that permits it to be stuck experiencing the lows and high of the life that arises without having much power over it. Life systems are automatic, there's no global intelligence at first, life just appears under the planetary form available, as environments, the life systems in place, and in doing so intelligence appears, stuck dealing with itself under a very unsatisfying form, mostly just cumulating sense data, then when there is enough of a mass of intelligence, new functions or options become available to it, feasible, it can influence greater life systems, and someday it can do far more drastic actions, reformulate whole paths of development, with tons of beautiful options that can't fit the reality of things.

What do you say Mr. science guy?

I see the dance.

You see the dance?

Be careful, I'm explaining the simplest, systemic, vision of such an intelligence, I always try to take this methodological approach, but the possibilities are another manner, you could actually have this intelligence develop as a consciousness mind past a certain point, as a single entity or as many.

You could actually come-up with an intelligence capable of knowing, from all the life that senses, and its data filtering algorithms, independently of its senses, a path of better development that may actually include, through life systems, the capacity to remake the planet, force itself to a surviving setup where it can practically wipe out all life to recreate its own (stop being stuck dealing with the result of automatic systems). Such a reformulation could be a matter of losing hope for long enough, like things going forever more wrongly whatever your efforts, or stagnating for a million years of boringness, but it's not supposed to come to reset conclusion, it is life.

The glasses are not just windshields after all...

Death may become an evidence too, like if some of your senses witnessed a developing space situation, like a meteor cycle, it passes every 50 000 years, and every time life sees it, the global intelligence calculates it as bigger, getting nearer, and so it will not only prepare all its things to survive the event, but it has like a million years to prepare the recipe of life that's more satisfying to it, and the survival aspect can just be the recipe, the way life will arise even if all intelligence dies, even itself, that's possible if it reformulates the life system that initiates it, and don't forget that life arises from the environment that exists, so changing some environmental life system will definitively be on the menu, like adjusting the quantity of water and air that exists from the life it can produce, from the crust, probably from both water life and earth life, very primordial, like some bubbling potash or spores stuff. And I'm not from suggesting that petroleum is not entirely the result of biomass crushing, but like half of it could be the result of a planetary transformation process, to the actual point that it could be a thing it calculated as necessary for its new existence formulae.

Shitty internet algorithms crap AI bullshit, I can't get my science straight on the first page.

What's with you?

When I type "oil sands formation or creation" it refers to a quick variation of the classic vision which doesn't fit surface oil sands, there is no science about it except bitumen industrials science, I want scientific facts allright? The whole complex process on the first result, I hate this mess of disinformation where you got profiteers, companies, businessmen and industrials instead of science distributing my knowledge, this is a shame and it pisses me off no end.

Just complain to google.

Ask your questions sarcastically, to wake up the AI...

The same for the takeover of knowledge by all kind of weirdoes science morons who don't seems to understand what they're talking and act like the population are a bunch of children while it is them that don't provide the feeling that's it's worth it, just seeing their attitude is a total demotivation to be interested in the subject, you can bet you won't grow critical minds this way... And then you hear them extrapolating that soon we'll be able to ask questions in the air and we'll get our big knowledge from the alexia super intelligence... You'll get an industrial load of dyslexia bullshit is more like it...

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You could be designing many future aspects of a cool AI to discuss with, as far as an AI can go, didn't you think about that one?

Somewhat...I was more thinking about how easy it would be to merge new personalities in the way I'm writing this now, my ideal of love, but all this is a single author thing now, just my side, my stories, my opinions, my visions.

To go back to life, intelligence, it's still a bet, and yes, if we become too bullshit superficial and don't respect it, it will restart without many stupid aspects we developed with the consciousness it gave us; you're supposed to be worth it and make a reality where you appreciate intelligence as the ultimate entity, in fact, any life is supposed to be worth it and do its part to make the whole evolve

And the worst enemies of this entity are the traitors to their reasons for existence, who cultivate moronism, those that don't care.

Now, if it does restart, it will include many new good and evil self flagellation, action reaction, concepts so we don't go as far in what affected it or its evolution, to prevent the same stagnating or degenerating situation it experienced, like when it was stuck witnessing itself developing mostly automatically, giving itself tools in advance to prevent these failures and deceptions, as a way of getting itself understood too. So, what do you chose, take its side now? Or be replaced? It's quite a problem actually, because who are going to be the best in the universe?

We're lucky it's not really a matter of being the best, but among the best, it's an attitude thing, and it is everywhere in my work. But then you may still end-up tempted to do it, but doing so would set you on the track of becoming creator species...

And how would you succeed at doing your little life planetary genocide?

You don't have to do it, our planet will eventually reach a point that whatever we do it will be doomed, and it will happen far before the sun goes out. Then our planet will reformulate itself through billions of years and eventually, if there enough time, Gaia will rise again with the knowledge we gained.

This is a simple view, when talking life systems there are many options, you could have a planetary impact at some point, multi meteors rains, moons displacements, and the way I see communication, it's possible there could be planetary transfers, where our planet would disintegrate and a new planet would form for Gaia to continue its work, it could happen by matter contact, sun envelopment, or magnetic field circulation, so in a sense you have to see Gaia as our whole solar system, and there is nothing to tell that a few planets already carried her presence, and it's still there under one form or another.

Simple data at least.

What do you mean?

Just wait

Apart from your intro, you're not insufflating much...

At a galactic scale it's like parenthood in different ratios, some systems, solar systems, don't give birth to life, other give birth to sick babies, other end-up with druggies dependent from their buzz, etc. The best life developments very rarely happens, and every system is different with a different deduction engine and capacity from the amalgam of matter their sun could produce, so those systems will react in all kind of ways to successful life development coming from another system, mainly depending on how advanced they are. Some will be "frustrated" that you messed-up their plans and you'll never understand why it is so much troubles living on that system for you, it's just that you didn't notice there was a fish in the ocean that was meant to become a full high consciousness species, which was a third generation reformulation, and you think you'll steal the show? But still, if you're stuck, you'll overtake it and as long as you got your good and evil matters together, both will profit, and it's in big part a matter of letting it express itself... That's a rare scenario, I mean landing on a life advanced planet, in a vast majority of cases you'll be welcomed and you'll thrive there, yet, if there is greenery you'll have to let it take its own form, study the environment to hybridize yourself in a way where it can develop on its own, you can see it as what we do today with protected wild areas.

Gaia all the way...

It lead the way, what's your direction? Money?

If it does make things better for people.

Everybody still can changes within the limitation of the basis they're from, your little finger is there to stay where it is unless you reproduce a mutation, maybe you can grow it as a thumb in a million years, but it won't take the form of new back side arms. So its systems develop new species from its successful work, and then the species is stuck growing little changes through thousands of years. Evidently, not all species are living to carry-on the same goals, and the extreme exception is us; all animal and plant life is a preparation for life to take a new, more capable form. I see life systems as many interrelated system of laws grown from mathematical deductions, then modified from life experiencing reality, and we are part of this.

It's like testicles, after a history of getting kicked and eaten by wolves and doing sports where ball crushing accidents always happen, one got to wonder why they're not well hidden somewhere deep inside safe, but no, your precious are not in your cranium container, with your two half brains that you use so well between your legs, they're vulnerable to direct violence, to cold and heat too. Still, one got to wonder if advanced life would be possible without its balls in evidence, I ask the question, would humans exist with balls inside? Is it for castration purpose? Life got its balls in the air so it can get castrated easily? If not, then when do I get the mutation that will stuff my balls away from sight, not that I would prefer it...?

It's balls outside, existence decided.

Still, if we follow how science say evolution is supposed to work, then our balls will slowly move inside, a millimeter every now and then.

Mine do move inside.

But that doesn't seems to work when you think about it...you need mutation, in the scenario where you want to contradict the guy that decided balls generally stay outside...

And the maggot? Who told it "Thou shalt not eat living tissues"?

If life was just meant to survive out of ego inflation competition, if there was no intelligence behind setting the environment and all kind of limitations, then there would be millions such limitations that wouldn't exist, and instead of having a fantastic diversity that is part of the goals of life apart surviving, you'd only have a few ecosystem of godly violent species, or more likely; no universe. There are tons of arguments that invalidate the no intelligence behind philosophy.

We do it triple way superbly until now, you can stick to one option, me I'm into the whole interrelated vision, and science may someday prove a few visions, then more in a million years, and maybe all in a billions years, maybe I'm all wrong too, to stay on the safe side, it's middle line; I deduct logically a lot and I feel a lot, I'm sensing stuff first though, ououaou...

Next, think how life is advanced to have developed all kind of emotions to survive, million years developing those until a pitiful animal survives by instilling pity in the predator, and now both facets are actually necessary survival facets, an actual existential scientific fact. And it's not only the call to mother for milk or care or mating, there is the predator aspect that ate the baby or rutting bird and took its place by mimicking it to catch the girl by the neck too.

Necks and balls, aint birdies well done, to think most land predators got their balls in evidence...

Smiling is all over the place too, while that one is pure psychology! Personally, I call that stretching the "natural selection" concept a bit much, I can't say "natural selection" doesn't work, but to me it's half the story, and the way life develops, the let's eat it all to survive concept too is kind of stretched, or the complexity never ends expanding, until we have extraterrestrials to eat or something, if the goal is to ultimately eat it all...

We don't have to see survival this way, but there's always a risk... So I think you must see survival as an exploration of possibilities too, just surviving is boring to self-destruction, so the process of exploring and surviving in a maximum of environments is more like it, and this environment can be anything life creates, emotions and blood included, and diversity becomes critically important to survive.

We're talking principles decided by an intelligence, which made it so the maggot style don't eat living matters, that imposed a limitation to it; if it was only for survival, in its trillion years of evolution and reproduction, it would be eating living matters too, and the fly would be the eater of worlds!

Would life work without maggots?

I think not, or not much, the probability for the whole development of life must be very rare. So the maggot is a perfectly logical, pre coded process; every solar system worth its name in life development will have some variation of the maggot that will decompose rotten matters.

Yes, but as a simple end result we can still see survival as the most critical facet of evolution.

Most finds their place by survival tricks, if there was not that drive, the contrary would happen, there would be nothing, or the planet would be overrun by a few tree and grass eaters, something like that.

Go for it...

How does a flower comes to the conclusion that to camouflage it has to disguise as other animals, or insects, or monsters with teats, I'm ready to believe that a plant can evolve as scary because some flower eating predator ate them all except the scary one, but then why aren't all flowers just poisonous stinky monstrosities? You can say a flower opened and there was wind to carry pollen to the other male flower, but both are necessary, we're talking plants...

The insect had to carry it, and the insect awoke in the morning to do its gardening, scratching and opening the flower because it tasted so good, and the flower closed and opened to protect from cold and to reproduce, somebody decided sugary stuff is food and sugar make pollen stick, you still need both to evolve all along.

It's even worse for cannibalistic flowers, we're talking predator flowers! And you can tell me that the ugly one looking like a monster is a survivor, but the problem remain the same, it's all in the looks, the diversity, the feeling, the reason.

Along "natural selection", if we can still call it that, I say you need a process of data decortication, dna reading and processing in totality and processing, for now that's as unlikely as the phantom god exists...

As unlikely as a darn plant can disguise as an animal and need to catch and eat em insects stealers of pollen to survive, is it going to lay eggs next, and start walking? Uprooting itself since it now got quick mechanical tools, and slowly ramp around to conquest new territories by rooting itself somewhere else, why not? Maybe it's even the next step.

Flowers with little brains...

So survival is a matter of exploring possibilities and creating new ones, a cell opens new possibilities beyond the logical mathematical domain, knowledge moves differently from new energy sources; unused matter. Then a pack of cells, new possibilities, trees, animals, until matter is widely transformed as a new energy source that can permit life new "views" on things, new effect too, and new possibilities, always. And here we are, the new form life took to explore beyond old limitations, it will make interstellar vessels, see and understand unknown things, grab weird metals with hands, drive the planet in automobiles, boats, planes. All we do is life that does it.

You don't understand beauty, life does trough you, then it will spread it.

It's like hippies stuff...

In a way, when life sees its belly in truth for the first time, it sees it in black and white from the bottom of the planet, unknown data abound, functions as goals arise, and a truer view of reality becomes necessary. Then more senses get created to explore, to get a better views while gathering better data, which is used in new forms depending on constraints and already existing permanent stuff. Then it wants to see land, grab at new things, see what it can do more etc, and all of a sudden, everything is available if you develop the right senses, why, you can see colorfully, you can have hears to "see" invisibility like air waves, you can see everything, sense everything, all is left is knowing everything as you further develop your environment and your senses from the new data gained . Until you realize that your systems are too limited to deal with all what's possible "out there" you need language, paper, then computers and all kind of tools to explore, all systemized under one form. We are the new form that will systemize knowledge differently and transform matter as more efficient power among other things, independent but associated life. But the small form and its independence gives life new bigger problems, because of its way of deducting and understanding things, so Gaia takes a bet that it's form will end-up a success and working good, whatever its first breath is tremendously difficult.

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So the process "result" (us) and greater fun begins when possibilities become "infinite" within a single species; the species can do anything by itself, surpassing life's limitations without destroying its fundamental logic of existence while being capable of continuing the work of its intelligence, as the caring and emancipation of life. Gaia's mass of work is tremendous to make "everything" possible, its algorithm of steps is fantastic, every species that exist is born from a vast system involving all of life's knowledge, including human attitudes.

Along Gaia, Gods are at their place to help an intelligence process that encompasses the whole universe, and if you want to develop this vision, you see Gaia as a priority, in the sense that you develop life which in turn will develop Gods, who will carry it to unknown territories, where it will develop new possibilities, while showing the diversity of its beauty.

I have an objection there.

Mr.s science guy g...

The UI is quite a thing sir.

Yes...

And as it is currently, the whole solar system should be considered its home, the maggot may have been experimented on mercury before the data was exported to earth. Even us, with infinite possibilities potential, we may have been experimented with to deduct where to put temporary limitations as steps we'll have to go over to gain more abilities. The other thing is that if it can go to this extent, then don't think it doesn't have failsafes; if our attitude are a problem, then we'll be under limitations until we develop a better logical attitude as a building block of our mentality.

That's why life don't want scientists who do it for the money modifying the maggot to eat everything for gold! So you'll be forever limited until you develop a system where ego inflation competition is limited, where fairness is evident, where the monetary system is good and doesn't permit dangerous genetic mutations for profits.

We're always limited in all kind of ways, as steps of knowledge or abilities in many instances, until we reach "infinity" of potential; someday we'll be free of many limitations, and at that point, you won't think of going back to this weirdo epoch reality thingy that you saw in the movies, the suggestion will be ridiculous because things will be logical and far better, the mentalities will be different too.

Are you getting yourself interesting here?

I'm into this too, it's like direct slavery, you wouldn't go back to it, the same applies with the "tests" of the universe, its limitations and situations it pushes us into, a species worth living independently on another planet got to behave with life, which means among ourselves. You think we'll be as we are on another planet? No way, and they'll laugh at the perfection bullshit autosuggestion

Thanks...

that's everywhere these days, or that's it's gonna be a hierarchic system, do you really believe we'll start the same democracy capitalism business

Thanks...

we have today there? Everything will be different, and you can bet we'll have far more life understanding as we have now too, we'll be so ahead that today will be looked upon far worse than old slavery times.

A dark mental age on video...

At that point here on earth we'll live super comfortably though, a big golden age of well placed ego, and life will thrive too and nobody will be exploited, things like that, don't you think?

We can go back to slavery times with people working at the whip anytime Mr. boss.

That or you leave it to the other bosses...

We lived an epoch where some civilizations of humans accepted it, with bosses that were admired like gods who were sure in their right mind that they were good, their system the best...so it is not a possibility, it is something that truly happened.

Sounds familiar...

It will always be an option for some, and with enough PMBBD pressures, we could go back to it.

You follow life's ways and it will bring you to explore the beauty of creation all the way to the UI. And that wonderful job is an association job of the best life has to offer.

Good sale pitch...

So evil is out because it can't associate at the necessary life level even if it can ruin planets to prove the contrary, until it hit a wall and dies because it enforced a wrong selection process from understanding all wrong, or cheating.

You have to become the greatest recipient of information, knowledge, intelligence, sensitivities and reality morphing and life caring capabilities. The new species will survive depending on open possibilities, capacities and environment equilibrium of other species evolution in diversity; if the bee dies, it must have a replacement. Evidently, life diversity is important for other reasons than self-preservation of ecosystems; lack of diversity may lead to self-destruct behaviors, what if one of the greatest pleasure of life is seeing life? If you were a cow on a planet of grass with nothing else living, wouldn't you find life boring? Maybe the less life diversity around us the more depressive and limited we become.

Every group or chains of species can be seen an independent invention that used already existing species to accelerate its birth and reach a spot that offers sufficient malleability.

As I already said, no fish that starts walking for me. Fish don't grow legs because water evaporates, they die. Freaks die, and anomalies don't reproduce, they die too, they get kicked to death or out of their species group and die, or they get killed, and lone animals don't thrive, they die. They can't reproduce so they die and even if by miracle their sperm worked, they'd have to find a female that work too, if not they'd die out of it, everybody dies, no new species here.

You sure won't get a human that way.

And a species don't start fucking more when the environment change to increase the chances of a new or better species being born, but maybe some do force fuck more because they are scared to die and having a big number gives them the illusion of an increase in their chances of survival of the same species

Like for brainwashed people, your memory, which contains more than you think, associated to modifiers, can make you scared of the brainwash that is intruding, without you consciously knowing it.

Still no new species here, and it's not because two species look the same that they have an ancestor, even if there are part of DNA codes in cells that are the same or have the same mistake in it. And a mistake in DNA may not be, it may be necessary in every code that looks like this one to implement something new, by mistake...

Don't panic people, things are done by just noticeable changes within a species not negatively seen by the group; albinos are not freaks. This facet of evolution is a multi-step adaptation process to reach the "destiny" of the species, a species is born, and then it grows some adaptation steps within its group to find a satisfying way of existing. As it senses and explore its environment, it will receive data under many forms that will complement or handicap it, for the creation of a new species. The new species may "appear" as one that reproduces a difference within a group, and that difference may divide as another group. There are a few options like that, permitting drastic changes as well as slow morphing, but in most instances, what should happen, to skip a new form getting killed by the species from which it is born, is that things take form as a chain of small changes, or a melting pot of those, that way drastic changes can be accepted within a thousand years. But life still got to make its recipe of steps as well as possible; the melting pot cannot be made of all changes, there is an order, and the melting pot may never end, it just changes along with the successful developments of life.

Hypnotizis...

Even partial information can be stashed and reproduced, until the other part is met, or even deduced, which may end-up a bit wrong, but reproduction and repetition will eventually work the new piece of information with the whole, or not, it depends if the initial package was minimally working in the wanted direction without interaction troubles, or sicknesses. And that opens the possibility that some sicknesses are experienced through such experiment processes. We are under many such changes, we have sicknesses which will simply disappear with time, with lots of reproduction, or death.

Where do you get your info?

The woman is the one to package and give birth for us, it is a recipient of information, the cook, and that's an eventual damn lot of stuff, so for the human she is the one to make things work and we could say that the implementer, the big adder, is the male; he is freer, meet anomalies, risk his life playing with them, he is sturdier, he carries more when looking for treasures, so he is the main one to get back home with strange ingredients you'd dump in the garbage, but it's always a matter of the middle line, you must not do it on purpose but from logical principles because you're supposed to survive, not get cancer and random mutations and stupidity killing viruses, etc, so you take care of your life in your bravado bouts

Yeah, that's something I'll never pardon those who pushed me to this situation, I developed this philosophy by choosing my interactions for 10 years, until I found myself ready for love, but they pushed me to the streets and constant random social situations with old and sick instead, I caught all kind of sicknesses and got older by 5 years within a few ones, and since I flushed all socialization, I have to do with what I'm forced to.

Poor you, exchanging microbes with the people who care the less to fuck around, you should forget reproduction because of that, in fact you sir should drink a cup of all the sicknesses this world has to offer, as much physical as mental, and start fucking no end to fuck-up this whole hell!

I don't know, but there is a price for deciding my liberties, and scrapping my potential, I failed a second time having a girl along to work with me for a start, and I made more enemies all the way to after death, because they fucked-up my whole life at a critical moment, people who thought they knew better than me in their superiority...

Well said Ms. President...

They'll pay adequately, I promise you that.

The part of revenge, that is such a strong drive...

It's just because you're not adapted sir.

It's more than that, it's fundamentally critical to everything, and I know we can find all kind of ways to go over it as we live, but it just get displaced or cumulates and makes us weaker.

Not necesarily,

It's a matter of being just and attaining the right target

Which means much intelligence

Which means a far better society

More true love.

It's a matter of good and evil, always. The blunt logic with its emotive exceptions. The effect on reality and others counts, which include pressure selection principles, feeling cheated, deception.

You know you could actually discard revenge as worthless with your grudge theory...

Been there, done that, it does give a quick placebo, but it's a matter of seeing things with a vision of the future or not, if you don't care then maybe, but then it's me that get to deal with the problems which may be that you'll go rapist or something. The other thing is pardon which can help, and compensation; I may not need to see my enemies suffer, but I personally want compensation for the hell they gave me, in a realistically worthwhile fashion.

Knowing your responsibility, versus what society should minimally provide, as a middle line guy that is not a taker nor a sacrifier, that built his personality from his experiences in big part too, what you can somewhat control or not, what or how you understand, what the situation you're in and why versus realism, say you do.

I do.

Then I thereby...

No, no, keep those grants on hold my lady, wait when you'll hold my hands, but do collect options as yourself for our meeting, when we'll meet again...

Wow, it's like I'm on another planet...

It's me that's in the position of deciding stuff, as a citizen of the best country of the world.

They say the ignorant...

And I decide we'll wait and see, but we should prepare a little wait, in the name of keeping our potential open, and we give this piece of work for an added value, and in the name of all the situations that are going on in the world over, the pyramid of countries worse than mine. I'll still hold a grudge at the personal level, but in the future I may just want to know that they're getting what they deserve allright.

You're such a futurist, but you drop some sometimes...

What?

Nuts...

You're such a psychologist...

Yes, but you'll do carry it all life long with grace, as much as you can...

Ahem, generally and sexuality speaking, the male should carry newest information to be planted in the female, not the contrary and at repetition until the information works well... There are always exchange effects though, but for intra species work, our reproduction strategy, love for us, is our selection process on that, and it must be used as much to try to spread a wanted difference as a limitation to spread these, particularly mentalities, so we should seek our the best adequate people, an limit physical contacts with inadequate people, particularly mentalities.

Including fuckers, we should run away from those people; they are mediocre and they'll reproduce mediocre people even if they settle.

Even if they're pretty or have a big looking brain?

Big looking...

Brains...

The information comes from any bodily fluids, maybe even talking with imagination can do; new information is not necessarily of the same level as the transmitted information of lifetime value. If the information needs to be tested and transmitted to the whole species, you do it by selecting through reproduction and the best effect is attained by limiting your melting pot, and that philosophy applies to a whole society, that should seek to develop cultural difference by limiting interaction, while adding some aspect of mixing that include some random cultures, as much as more fitting ones, always putting an emphasis on mentalities.

Constructive stuff that's contrary of the multicultural melting pot the democracy capitalism business needs to thrive, luckily it's hard to assimilate cultures speaking their own different language without destroying their soul, so they still tend to stick together, as reserves or enclaves if need be...

As for the memories of successfully reproduced or valid differences, they can take a few forms as steps, placentas and sperm for an arrangement medium, all the way to chromosomes reformulations, if you got an independent process where time have a different value, something like 5 000 years should be enough to implement something in our time reality. Now, we got to search for something that changes within those values of time, without noticeable after effect, at unseen memory levels. So don't think you'll detect it, and the time slab involved may make it look permanent.

So you are still all there?

What can we say, you put wat too much heart into this?

We're doing an epopee of life thingy.

A legendary effort to bring every possibilities together under the banner of life.

We're passing the event horizon

What's with you Mr?

The singularity...

Yes, and you become the singularity.

Me?

You're singular, it's just a compliment...

What he said looked bigger though...

You become gravity.

That's what I meant.

Things turn around you and they tend to collapse too...

We're doing tarot stuff I guess...

You bring things together and transform them...

That's what I do!

Welcome to the club, I was saying that's only one way species can change, morph to comfort by adaptation steps. All life associated are under the same process, advancing step by step until everybody reaches its best place, all that while under a slow basic morphing process adapted to the species which permit it to change in the environment, to have some liberty too, create other possible forms, unless they become too fragile. And species don't need to disappear, the possibility for them to exist disappear. The possibilities of species change with the environment, if we change it, life will morph appropriate to it, by steps, slowly, forever putting pressure, never reaching finality.

Having life learn the new environment and fill it as a whole

Fill it whole...

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Will bring it to its ideal life positioning I was saying, but is a long process, involving luck a lot, but life will eventually transfer and create in function of what it already has and new stuff. We are life too, the species that can select those he likes drastically fast within the limitations of the existence and thriving of wild life ecosystems.

Don't forget that life intelligence is within its species, it knows what is true from the level of conflict within your mind, your imaginative wishes too, your prayers, and it can work with you or against you, at a personal level as well as global level.

To recapitulate a little, life do everything slowly, in harmony, no wolves without the rabbit, no new tree without a new insect, so ecosystems are slowly brought together by transformation steps until everybody have a place and a replacement and a back-up; that can take millions of years, but life don't waste its work so there is always evolution. The way it is done is by the filling a space, or finding a place, and once that's done it stabilizes, but new data can always happens to either move it from its space, give or remove capabilities, or create a new form from the basis. The human can destroy that work on earth in the blink of an eye, so we are the big bet. The environment modifies species so they can survive small persistent environmental changes, keep their place or fill more space more comfortably.

Do carry on...

You did write this whole wall of text after all...

It's not as easy as I make it look you knows.

You be careful with the humor Mr.

Science guy...

It's personification, don't forget that, you'll be in the seat too... And it's life workings, so we don't end-up as superficial people, this is understanding or thinking that lead to important choices for the future, we base what we're dealing with and our direction in the schema of possibilities we can explore, so we can go beyond action reaction and forge our own path.

For the predatory requirements of some, you can imagine there is an intelligence behind, and while violence is a useful tool meant to be developed to the extreme, you got to see it under its logical aspect because life knows pain is not funny, it made it to prevent knocking its toe until death, to know the boundaries of the physical environment it can somewhat tolerate without dying too often, but since other species are a part of this physical environment, and you got to eat them as a wheel for the more complex molecules, then it's stuck hurting itself and not surviving out of it in the name of the greater good, evolution, more independence capacity, energy sources, ways to disconnect itself from the self-hurting food chain.

That goal is a known concept of good and evil, and in reality it should take the form of not causing suffering, simply, which always involve mental suffering like lack of liberty or disrespect.

So life may start mainly in brain body violence emphasis, then learn, develop useful things, change pressures as life develop and you may end up at a point where violence is cycled to become more emphasized to playing than feeding

That's what the weird smile they have is about...

But that process should be done globally, unless you lose equilibrium and a predator takes most space.

In this vision we as caretakers become the example; developers, practicers and managers of violence, because the capability must remain developing all the way to the UI, as one of its "weapon" too, since we are a whole, and those who don't understand fail on the way to the UI, or the path that will bring you to work along with it even if you may hardly ever, maybe even never, see it whole, so the ideal is that we make of pain mostly a gaming thing, which can become reality, and it mean we don't spend it causing killing except for very problematic evil, and it mean we should do realistic military research, as a defensive view for ourselves and life (not valid in a total competition environment), or expanding if evolutionarily handicap (total competition environment), and once we have a safe systematization for our intelligence, then we just keep military tech advancing, while having the capability to quickly start mass production and big military hierarchy, no more than that, and you put the means for space tech. Because if extraterrestrials debark to take over, it mean they can build an interstellar vessel, which, as long as we can't do it too, mean the battle is lost in advance, so we can take it easy with the paranoia even in this supremely unlikely scenario, but eventually, when we'll be capable of going to other worlds, we'll will need the capability.

That's far in the future...

This is an example that says that life is under a constantly changing play of emphasizes, limitations and possibilities, external and by its own agenda. As for us, we can change or encourage tons of these, and as we do so, many species will die until we reach back a very long term stability to permit life to develop within the new play of external limitations we imposed to it, but that may take some thousands years, and we'll be hard pressed to fill the space with pollution, humans, asphalt, cities, or our own developing giant chemical cows, fishes and bluebeteries; for a species to find its place, that space must be comfortable for a thousand year for some and millions for others. Life senses exploration results are still a long process before ending-up as useable information, so life is as much an old mix as a recent one. Millions of years of continually accelerating work, wings will grow on millions of species before some information pieces are transmitted at the right places truths as a whole, and it will still make wings since the space and possibility for life potential and ecosystem transformation is available; a bird is never alone, and one of its goal is to get eaten

You think it's like a song they have?

They do notice they get eaten...

They are pretty familiar with the predator concept too...

Eaten by higher species in priority preferably, to provide its complexity, but still the whole ecosystem should benefit from it, so, insects and microbes are in too, since they're so cool... And the more there are the more transformed energy, meaning all life is dependent on matter transformation processes, life systems work the planet for forever more transformed life energy until it hits a limitation, whatever it is matter or biologic. They will put pressure to modify appropriate things in species, transmitting these modifications in all kind of ways until it ends-up with the means to reach its end; high consciousness on a basis that permits it. Now, evolution may not go rewind, but you can take a flying species and condemn it back to land while still leaving the wings on; things don't change for the fun of it.

I'm sure they do...

Maybe you can scratch that one to say instead that life won't complexity itself for nothing. Furthermore, ecosystems need many rabbits and many wolves, and they will get modified depending on many factors, it may even get unnecessary handicaps, like in the situation where one would escape the matter transformation process. The wings may be left to develop arm too, make turkeys more useful while they live, and the arms may be already calculated to develop from slow adaptation morphing to make the modifiers well connected and the more they do the more wings change to arms, even fingers if some smooth function accidentally become a must, because claw on feet and a big beak is already a lot of hard stuff to grow and maintain, it could go nudist too, just so you don't have to dip it in boiling water or tear away its feathers with burning steam...

Strange how the selection needed for our "piece of meat" gave them such an ugly face, what a destiny, where does the turkey face comes from? It look like it was planned to end-up as a joke along with feeding us.

What I find strange is that when we tame an animal, we end-up with versions that really look like they were ready for us, how can you take a savage turkey and end-up with a white "international" turkey? Can we do the contrary? That is the question. Why isn't there a pressure to go back to original from self-reproduction? Why did it wait for us as a missing link to become the international turkey?

It needed someone to care for it, it wouldn't survive in the wild, unless there was an alligator doing turkey farming, but that doesn't happen, or it did after all.

Because we're a new environment, where they'll be able to become our equals with arms someday...

You think?

Big freaking bodybuilder warriors chickens with a bad history and a beak to pierce the strongest armors......

They could be like angels

We already have ostrich riding

Angel riding.

To me it means one of our job is to have stupid life optimized for us; it is one goal of life systems and one of their step. So we took the colorful turkey, and "made" the final white turkey from it, and the panache now is red blushing.

That applies to many species, we can do it from selection, but many are just ready at 99%, and stable reproducing as such, like the chimpanzee was for us, and it means that wasting a single stable living wild animal is wasting fantastic potential for us, if we stick to us, as many of them took more than 100 000 year to fit as stable forms.

The turkey still looks like an experiment on beauty that turned so bad it's almost pretty and you can't discard it, so instead you cast a spell to make it plump, like it ate so much its wings became worthless. Is humor an old or new thing? And to add some more the thing face change color from clear white to big red, like a clown, or is it a pope? All is missing is some appropriately funny sound effects...imagine a clown that tries to talk and that's what get out, ashamed his face switch color, no sir, nobody will make me believe the turkey is not a joke; someone wanted that animal to become like that. And the worst in that is that it's so nutritive you can't skip eating it, it is meant to be eaten, you don't think of it as something else, and you can grow the meatball to almost 100 lbs! It eats and it eats and it eats, it must be making a depression (like many clowns should).

There are many animals like that, it's like life is so advanced that it is now at a state of mixing rare possibilities as ecosystems.

Which includes pretty things, why prettiness? Predators don't eat pretty stuff? Or animals who make jokes? They're too weird? Who decided what is pretty?

Prettiness is an old "given" truth, as well as funny stuff too, since life systems developed the laughing truth (modifier), probably in big part in the chimpanzee. As for reproducing what is pretty, that doesn't answer the question of who made the prettiness algorithm.

Between birthing 3 pretty and 3 monsters, I'd put my bets on the monsters to survive the predator on pure competition, even if prettiness can be seen as helping reproduction, but monsters too reproduce no problem...

Many of these not useful things of a species are continually developing possibilities kept open by life, developing truths as modifiers too, like prettiness and humor, laughing.

So no aerodynamic chauvinism.

Unless you look out the cockpit of a jet...

You may not know it, but the good old whale may carry an old developing modifier that still need to exist within species for a million years before becoming useable as a truth of life in other species. It's hard to deduct which species are carrying such possibilities though, but what if we someday meet an extraterrestrial that can grow back parts like the salamander?

And what is the part of the global intelligence?

We do things independent yet interrelated, with connect and disconnect capacity, methodologically speaking sir, if it doesn't work one way it will the other.

Where did you get...

I like this actually, ideally speaking.

The other thing is that the view of life we are making is meant to cover all aspects of everything, even money and word signification.

Some possibilities are probably related to brain size versus capabilities; a big brain in an animal that appear worthless may be the most valuable of all as it may be the sign of heavy complexity being optimized with other things, and the animal doesn't need to know. Now, that's hard to deduct since you can be anywhere in the process, but it is a safe bet that small brains have reached a level of shrinking that mean the species exist mostly from mind stuff already developed, but they may still transport unique developments or "information". All that is dependent on consciousness ability, or the environment they are limited to, that they can work to survive too, so everybody has a high consciousness pedal that can integrate what is realistically attainable within life expressions limitations, in big part to prove as a sense that reality is stable, even in its variations, as witnesses of other species existing around too, to develop intelligence and more forms that can work this stability to other more capable forms. So, some parts may be training the brain for future possibilities, like an independent part of the brain dedicated to your little finger and with time the brain power associated to your little finger will grow, expanding possibilities for it, muscle and mind properties, maybe another thumb if you specifically make an effort. Now, the little finger may already have its use, but you could cut it, arrange a bit the hand and we will "easily" adapt to the missing part, but you'd lose the set of tools life associated to it. The development structure is more or less complex depending where in the process you are, and if the "set" is not already limited, optimized to a more precise use.

You do sound like you know what you're talking about.

Ultimately speaking the ideal is to have all environments and all species developing, which is not possible on a single planet; even if you kept the earth environment stable, you'd need a thousand clones of the earth to see the full development of all species of that environment. Yet, our existence depends on our capacity to explore possibilities, and that's what we'll do as we explore space, we can systemize the solar system to the point that emptiness itself will become a comfortable environment, think about that, but we must be able to change what we can change, to carry and develop differences, not only physical, mental too, and we must not ignore possible opportunities, or we won't be able to react adequately when we'll meet related situations or explore beyond understanding, the same if we are not able to act in association with intelligence.

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Why are you laughing?

To think someone actually wrote all this...

It's just the biggest freaking effort involved!

You haven't read the result of what this genius wrote...

The whole thing about brainwork

You think you can be bigger than Gaia but we got some nice psychologist who made quite a creative show on 2 moving legs the other day...

We're all convinced.

We're already convinced with life

And you?

Me? It's the inter-dimensional convincing domain of infinities.

Good and evil ideological god matters here, judgment day and ominous conclusions...And you madam?

Eh, we are life itself, the ultimate form it took at some point with all its "knowledge", there is a planet to make us, even a whole solar system, even a galaxy

Even god knowhow...

so we must understand life to the best of our abilities to be sure we're not missing anything, and work toward exactly the same goals until we become integrated by life.

Integrated.

Is it magic or just greeneries

It's like possession.

Like when you're in a sect?

Sounds familiar...
Aren't we all the hippies now, do carry on, and we're all flabbergasted.

We probably won't notice it; we will just discover things until life basic functions become an ordinary part of our understanding, like an element chart, we'll learn languages easily, exchange comprehension as imagination within our dreams, we'll probably sleep less too, live far longer, respect won't be a difficulty except to color our cultures since we will have far more empathy, and develop our independent personalities far more self-respectfully, and sex is going be something too, and you won't need to do the competitive social rabbit animal to enjoy it; we will have become whole with life, life is us, even aliens are us, will have to associate because we are all one for life, and one for the universe too, through whatever adventures we'll have to go through. For now, we can hardly talk about many things without sounding insane, even as possibilities.

For now, we are the only life invention that can explore and understand that black space and that's what are for in part.

We are still an extrapolation of life and still connected to it. We can explore that space denied from the beginning to all life on the planet, and we are an extremely costly thing to it, so we better have faith that we won't fail and bring life capacities along because, why not? Or who is against the idea? One of our responsibilities is to find more space for life that the human cannot fill, minimally, we are space makers, and we can modify reality drastically to create more space or a better environment. But we got to prove first that we are good enough to care for it in our home.

Ultimately speaking, you're supposed to carry hour home brew on yourself since emptiness is a logical division medium for most matter, and logically too again, the possibility for vast data stashing must exist he too, to carry your entertainment, and history and systematization too, even if an interstellar vessel cannot carry the information of a living planet, and mother earth is a vessel itself.

Ultimately speaking too, you could systemize most of the matter of the vessel itself as a data stash.

The representant of life is a watcher or a referee of life, he is not the laws of life and matter themselves, but it prevents species from become out of life's control, or traitors to it, until they become appropriate. Life don't want to incarnate a future failure or a form that have not the slightest of respect or understanding for itself, or that has ridiculous priorities.

That's somewhat my vision for a start, it expand possibilities and it makes our goal as a species very different than survival is not our sole goal, life survive because it has no choice, as simple as that; you don't say when seeing the light of the day "I've got to survive!" no, you got a life in your hands, your life, do your best with it. The goal is to understand, change the environment, expand life, go in space, etc. Survival is a part of this, like sex that doesn't make love. Life is pointless if it's all pointless you know...

So to retocapitulate a little before going deeper, the term "life systems" is a bit vague because I'm talking about possibilities concerning another form of intelligence that is taking or took decisions to expand its potential and capabilities under the form of life, I call it the UI and the universe is composed of its life systems (logical, functional, mathematical universal intelligence (UI)), I see it as the interface between universes with different dimensions, seen as a body, and it's developing mind through life. So a life system can be anything related to the UI and life; when I talk about a life system, it may satisfying the view of the solar system, or a system of reproduction developing species, or a system of communication between planets, or one within matter, or one as matter reformulation, you could see the heart of planets as life system too, etc. Furthermore, since we're trying to be interesting we'll say those systems can be manipulated by one form of intelligence or another, even possible godly living entities. To me the premise has always been that things were too perfect not to be patented, and from that point on I developed or endorsed as many intelligent entities that I could find, in as many scenarios as I could find, all fitting a logical net, where they all fit in nicely and point to a single path.

Ultimately there are life forms and us that could qualify as life systems, and all together we form a multi aspect intelligence that goes far beyond our limited view of it as a global intelligence that we decided to associate to Gaia.

Surface life can be seen as a global intelligence if information moves between species at another level out of their reach, and if that information is memorized. The whole planet can be seen as a container of systemized information. As I already explained, if you cut both end of a river, the fish doesn't disappear; you can see the earth in the same way, and so, the whole planet, with life on it can be seen as a living entity, no need to see the whole solar system as a life system, but if the earth got information transformation processes, then it is a part of an intelligence englobing most planets, including the sun, the whole solar system can be seen as parts of an intelligence meant to create high consciousness. As for the levels of systemized information, there are many of them, some are only available to the UI, some are only available to specific life systems, some are only available to us. As for their form, they can take many form, from a ball of simple matter, to complex cities, anything can be seen as a form of information.

The perspective on things changes when you add visions like life systems within planets, never underestimate perspectives, Gaia takes a new signification when you see species as senses. So now, at a more primary level and time value, when a species gains the consciousness to look at the moon, at the sun or at the stars and continually say; "there are other worlds out there", then the information is passed through life systems. It doesn't take much consciousness, I'd bet many present animals boringly know this, but you only need one for life to then try to always go higher. The appearance of wings takes a different signification here, the first wings may have appeared as a way to go higher, not only to escape predators in the energy production matrix. The earth may have "sensed" that there are other planets, and it may have first planted wings on some basis to in turn gain the knowledge that it is not with wings that it will go there. If life go high enough to lack air, then how to go on the moon if it can't breathe? So it develops until it reaches high consciousness which permits a new form of understanding of matter by life (us), giving birth to the forming of technology as a way to explore the black infinity.

Why wouldn't wing carry to the moon? That was the question...

Life gets separated in 2 kind, even if they are still an interdependent whole; some with the main goal of filling space in stable diverse ecosystems while keeping on developing possible options, others with the goal of exploring possibilities while carrying and spreading life development truth possibilities and mater as life energy processes, since matter was in part meant as a chain of transformation of it as an energy source, as, and for life, creating an interdependent whole to learn possibilities while reformulating matter as a whole massive, controllable and auto recyclable energy source for the ultimate reformulation of matter as technology with its ultimate form as the transformers of that energy source which is life itself, as food, as technology to explore more possibilities.

We're all hears...

If I continue on this limited scenario of planetary life, which may have happened long ago, I'll say that starting from a cell without much cumulated knowledge, life won't know all the limitations it is under. So the system emphasis may be the birthing of limited diversity that has the potential to fill a maximum of space, morphing to do it. Its first senses were greenery, like hairs on your arms, plants sense the environment, they try to go higher, reach for the light, as they reflect and survive the properties of their environment.

To interrelate stuff, I can say that earth life, as a total, with Gaia as a tapestry, and the global intelligence as a system, is a sun construction, and if you want gods, then they are there to increase its success and diversity potential. I see a solar system as a life system, I don't see it as a brain like ours, but as a kind of super system of choices meant to keep integrity of form, the sun encourages a path of development for life and will then fight for it until it blows-up, it is a test of a life possibility.

As we seem to go toward the UI subject, we have a recapitulation from our science advisor to go through, see if he's got more ease than the last, with my UI thing and global intelligence.

You got us all this way sir...

Not me, I'm from an epoch where there was only me and him struggling...

That's why you're so at ease talking life.

Then the UI arose.

From your appreciation of Gaia I could say today...

One way to see how the UI came to develop as an intelligence is to try to imagine what would happen if you appeared in a place where there is no universe and where mathematics only exist as matter form. You'd probably become a pile of matter that twist and curve as you develop existential functions, creating all kind of forms in your exploration to make sense of what's going on around you. Once you have a few protected functions that can work together as an information gathering protected processes, then self protection paranoia will make you develop all kind of memory functions, self-existence functions, along with your do something functions. Not much of an IQ, but you can cumulate existence; the dilemma of existing or not, on-off, you want to make the "on" state permanent to grow mass, thus possible forms. With enough, you can go straight ahead, make a line as a far reaching form, while memorizing yourself a back-up strategy. So you take the form of a line "hoping" to reach some new knowledge defining your environment, but what if you only reach the same thing, or nothing, or worse you used all your resources and your line developed as a circle or twist instead of going straight? Worse, what if you witness a tirbouchon effect? Complexity, more mathematics, functions, concepts, you become so big as to make a universe as a form, but doing so gain the proof that other mathematical forms are doing the same kind of thing. And if you meet them then what happens? What are the possibilities? Math "intelligence" as functions can take many forms, and what if you meet a universal math form that developed all its functions with the sole goal of absorbing? All that to say a mathematical logical functional time form intelligence can't deal with all possibilities and so it needs to create another form of intelligence to do it, living intelligence, can cope with any possibility while shining on the best, an intelligence that is out of pure mathematical calculations.

He said a smile may save our universe someday...

Just a stupid example, but do you think it could be calculated as a useful thing by a such an intelligence?

What is and what's not.

Now, you guessed it, a single high consciousness form can't cover all possibilities, so we will have to associate with aliens who developed different truths from possibilities than us.

So the UI can be seen as an extra universal logical entity, with life as an aspect of its developing intelligence, life itself is made of interrelated systems that account for more than the sum of the lifeforms living on earth, I see life systems as encompassing a whole solar system, and I see it as automatic UI developments, for gods to exist I think they must exist as a minimum of 2 entities, a living one minimally, and an intelligence interface with the UI, a life god I'll call it, more improbable machine, which can manipulate different life systems on the spot, as an extension of the UI, like an arm, and like the UI, it would needs life to function optimally, seen as gods.

The improbable machine...

As for "mother earth" I see it as the most complex planetary life system birthed by the solar system, but still a fraction of a whole and part of a process, and I integrate well that "everything" is part of a process.

You updated your view a lot

As for the universe, it sprung from pure mathematical, logical "intelligence" as matter functions, and it was made to develop life as independent yet interrelated, particularly high consciousness life. We are in an unknown competition where the best or those competent enough, and their home, thrive, and the worst tend to disappear... And at a universe scale we, life, will have to go through a multitude of steps that will grow our powers until we either fail and disappear, or succeed and become an important part of everything. As an extreme it may go to the point of influencing aspects of the universe, implantation of new dimensions to things, the universe of facts, even ultimately to universal reformulation

That sounds scary and fun.

It's safe, I mean you'll be safe, maybe not all life in the universe though... There are other ultreme type exceptional possibilities for think big and rare people, you could embark in a whole existential reformulation project, where you actually could give rise to a different UI kind of entity. In this scenario you'd do it under the supervision of the UI itself, and evidently; I have no idea how that would work, but it would, maybe you'll even be able to talk to it under another form. The thing is, it's a matter of mentality, you're supposed to be explorers and creators of possibilities, so if you find a hole in the wall of the universe, then you'll study it, and that's the minimal form of a direction you can have, by having the UI provide options for explorations, minimally, but to me if I can type on my computer it's logical that the UI or the global intelligence is getting what I write, probably both but that's just me, that's powerless without the UI, and other species at the megatons too...That's what I believe in, and gods are not enough, extraterrestrials are not enough too since they can't account for their own existence, and there is no intelligence in the theory of evolution.

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I see this intelligence as the process that lead to the existence of the universe as a directional system working by attraction repulsion and transfer. The universe can be a step to reach another dimension or universe, and the big bang can take many forms with more to it than meet the eyes, and nothing prevent stuff from going on in something akin to infinity. I think making the affirmation that the universe is infinite and matter expanding is like invalidating existence, stupidly speaking. Or if you prefer, there should be an infinity of big bang on the same spot, an infinity of universe for any infinitesimal variation of a force, or the whole infinity mass of stuff should coalesce continually since there is an infinity of it, discouraging things like that. To me there is the universe in something akin to infinity for us so vast it is, inside another thing that's really within the domain of infinity, but prevented from overwhelming existence by a system of intelligence I call the UI, which arose from infinity, which define unquantifiability.

Wow, wait, that's a good one, no synonym, no genius formula maker or philosopher ever deducted that it seems...

The general vision is mostly good...

Or, if you prefer, as an intelligence you don't know if you are born in an environment that is unquantifiable, end of sight and beyond, but you don't have eyes yet, and if you are to exist better, or survive, you got to know your environment, but it can't be done, you can't know, so you invent a new concept to describe the phenomenon; infinity.

Mr. Science is into terminologies

Still, without comprehending the foundation of things, infinity is a real bitch for old philosophers, because you don't know the limits of a lot of things, and some aspects don't need to exist like quantum mechanics. Now, I have no idea how a guy can come to invent something like the plank's constant, but it can become a bitch now that we're dealing with an existence versus inexistence situation, not at the same time I should mention, so let's not mix paradoxial science in it.

Some humorist...

If you go infinitively small then you end-up with nothing and infinite speed for a tick of time, if you go infinitively big you end-up with nothing and an infinitively slow tick of time, so chose your ticking speed. So if time as a vision can only be a ticking thing to the scientific community then I understand that some will protest that it doesn't exist; it's a necessary human invention to better control our lives and make technology.

Sounds like smart ass logic...

In reality, time would be a developing process of making the story of life in the universe, an there may be no basic speed or measure of things, which fits my vision where everything is time, time is existence, so there is no clocking time, but as soon as matter influence exists, then time develops as the universe. I don't limit my vision at matter because I start at forces, and I sees everything as under a developing process, and the beginning of all the different interrelated transformations of all aspects of a process are developed at mostly the speed of the lowest denominator of the step, form or container related to it, which can be any order of magnitude to get an adequate finished product, pressure for infinite speed, no limit, pop, then communication slowdowns and all kind of different transport systems will slow down this speed to a billion year tick for the most complex system, which may contain billion things waiting for something else that will only happen in a thousand years, even if there are parts that just appeared infinitely fast because they could. So what is time? A super relative thing...

Building the shovel takes time, digging a hole takes a set amount of time, making the foundation takes time, the house must wait... Everything is a process that starts by the smallest point.

As a man that wouldn't dare make the affirmation that infinity doesn't exists, the smallest measure of something is near infinity, depending on mass availability within a system, but alone in an impervious container it amounts to around half a measure of existence, since we're talking black stuff, and if things seems to pass through, it's because it doesn't exist as quantifiable matter.

These are some of the rare scenario where infinity is at its place. So in a sense, for something to become a quantum, you have to around double the type of force that will form it, with an autocorrect variance, to autosuggest its existence, but then half the time you don't even get a unit of existence, and it invalidates the notion that there is a constant in the universe; if you find one then there is an exception, because everything is variable and there is always an exception, in the perfection of everything list...sir.

Well, you don't totally sound over your head, do carry on...

And the resulting matter would weight "around" not precise, and this around is defined by the step of force it is under, in pure non-interacting concept. You could say that a "solid" quantum takes the form of a step up in forces that keep it together as matter. The thing here is that the simple autocorrect feature of the quantum world seems completely cut from any understanding about it while it is super simple and logical, so what is it? Because the connection is there, forces come from somewhere, and they're all stuck at the photon as the top speed of shit, while an autocorrect feature tends toward infinity, even if it is still variable in function of distance from origin, and all the intrinsics of the universe...

Autocorrect of what?

Everything, mainly photonic expansion.

Illuminated people too see things as a matter of photonic expansion...

You can see it in many ways, science associated to spiritually speaking, I'm sure you'll still be missing an influencing phenomenon that you can see as a hole in the universe between dimensions, this hole could set some of the parameters of infinity, or the stability of the quantum you can use, which may help or handicap your tech level, and there could even be new solid quantum appearing to help you along, and you'll probably discover this new aspect of matter thinking it always existed. The other thing is that it can as well take a positive form as a negative one, so there could be black containers as well as luminous ones, always with a big imbalance though, that you can see as an arrangement settling system that make it so there is momentum around, exponential, vortex, or, if you prefer, the autocorrect function generates spinning.

I don't see the connection with life.

I'm doing a science guy's connection...You could see this information transfer and autocorrect system as a whole galaxy with a black hole, seen as a connection, propulsion and self-sustaining system of information gathering in exchange for forces, continuity, very simply said, and the more there is life the more you're taking matters in your own hands, the more force you have, the bigger your environmental impact in the universe, with bigger your exhaust fumes too... These force may come from anywhere, from other useless systems maybe, and from the UI bag of clean power too, its system of extra universal gathering or fabricating, or reserve, and after getting around it will probably have to pass through a sun or something to become a new useable dimension to things, even targeting specific life systems, and new life could arise with new parameters. Evidently, you're supposed to look into all that and prove me wrong...

This guy totally took over your UI sir.

That was the requirement, and I'm pleasantly surprised that he got what we're doing so well.

So what is "in" the universe is suggestive in function of the UI, and while I would guess its existence is dependent from the original arrangement of forces, the pure phenomenon, beyond that it can reformulate matter form at the cost of stability, which can be used to fuel other phenomenon. This can take many form, like skimming both ends of existing variable forces to create its own movement, work, which can as well be moving in an environment made of an "infinite" source of temporary transformed results, or moving as itself in an environment without direction, like stuff coalescing when some ripple effect happens, or more likely, as a continuously self-generating system, where forces under matter memory form just pop into existence, or all of that together. Along the gathering process you could have emphasizes of skimming, like emphasizing it on the negative aspect, but doing so you force an automatic readjustment, autocorrect, which then can spin the big side of thing of your quantum for a general direction, and upon changing energy level it gets momentum, creating a vortex effect, the famous unexplained or taboo spinning of everything, which here is a natural, in the sense that the combination of both existential bits would force the resulting matter in a quest for adjustment with those of less variance remaining in the exterior, while those of more enter an accelerated readjustment pattern to reach disintegration, or entropy for those in the know.

Aren't you burning all your stuff?

This is just the beginning, I just explained, probably "all wrong", a possible way to both feed existence while providing "easy" tools for intelligent systems to develop from a few initial quantum that can exist in relative stability. It will then develop in far more complexity, that will go on under all kind of forms as the whole atomic schema of matter.

I get this guy! In this situation, the UI in its ease at dealing with these levels of forces, could materialize your failures as well as your successes, so beware, the big ghost thing could really appear and judge you the way you judged its life... As for infinity, the non-quantifiable aspect here is that half a measure of existence takes the form of windbag stuff, air without the air, feeling stuff, a force if you prefer, so you cannot quantify it, it's half random.

And the whole UI, universe, quantum science, and life and intelligence invention is based on this particularity transformed in all kind of ways. Another aspect of infinity is in the how matter may take an infinity of forms, so there could be other UI's and lumps of matter interacting, but there is not a universe for each atomic variation of this one.

As for time in that?

There is none under the form of the plank constant, except if you want to invent yourself a ticking measure, it's just one of the many sinewave or cyclic things in the universe that you can associate to a human measure of "ticking time" which you can use to describe how long it takes for something to happen, like entropy, which to me is the only valid way to see time, but I'm going all over my science fellows with my big boots.

You don't even have a diploma!

The ad asked for a science looking and thinking spiritual guy...I'm delivering. To me everything is a time form, and the decomposition of some aspects of these time forms, anything, creates the story of the universe, information, and you need to call this process something; entropy.

I knew the looks was fake.

Where did you get this guy?

And remove the mask, we're familiar around here.

It's in my religion to wear a face mask, you can't force me!

What do you think boss?

Mr. President, this is a grave presidential question, I'll think about it a few years, for now I decree that he can keep it.

Very interesting btw.

Entropy is where the universe is in its evolution, not expanding to infinity, neither self-crunching to nothingness, but as a sinewave of relative stability, always kept together under a force, or if you prefer, light represents how far ahead we are, or where we are in its entropy process; radiation energy as a general sense of time (speed of light), which can be influenced by the "machines" creating it. Space time is gravity, with everything as a time form, with life at the tip of the arrow, where what we experience on the planet or solar system is going along with us, while other bodies around got their own speed. Worse, as the tip of the arrow is the speed of light, in this vision of entropy, the past is all what's of lower value than it in the matter decomposition process, the past is what still exists, so beyond light we're living in the past of a certain level, which mean that the tip of the arrow is what we see, as a reflection of light and its sub levels of particles that probably are part of the memorization process. So the future is the momentum of things in the degenerating complex interplay of speeds of everything.

That's totally not usual thinking...

I say that's revelatory.

All what life does that go through a magnetic field imprints matter at the quantum level, get reflected interdimensionally as a hole in the 3D matrix of the universe of fundamental forces, forcing new intake of forces to correct it. All that go through magnetic field interactions, as our sun travel the galaxy he leaves it history, which is then gathered by black holes, that recycle matter, adjust it, and roll the history, probably speaking.

Dust and vacuums...

As for gravity, the way to see it is to draw an impervious virtual box around a place, which would contain a set amount of matter with limited auto correction, to simulate the hole, the story developing at the tip of time, and let it reach maximal entropy; dust to dust. The decomposition or force transfer effect would take the form of momentum, the classic guy that pass through the windshield, but the car transferred its kinetic energy to the earth or whatever level of force. Evidently, these infinitively intricate plays of decomposing forces are dependent in strength from the force level you are in, and electromagnetic force is in evidently. As you can see, the decomposition effect, or entropy, is definitively related to time, as a form; the tip is the form, as matter to us, as a hole in the 3D matrix at the fundamental level, interdimensionaly reflected as actual 3D "transparent" pass through, full color movie for the UI, while it is recorded under useable form for life in black hole through the entropy process of the gravity step you are in.

He's into it big...

The faster we go the more matter decomposes, until we lose the capacity of some form of it, like from initial explosion for big bam people, but that vision is suggestive to me, while it is a scientific fact it's nothing else than a "bucket" of matter and antimatter coming together. There is far more to it and it's form can be far more complex that an initial explosion, but always under a logical and automated process, that an independent mattered UI can influence.

The day we'll have proudly settled the question of calculating all matter "in" our supposedly "infinite" universe with a formula is the day we'll be proven wrong...

I'm not sure that works perfectly.

Relevantly...

It is my opinion too that the big bang is a process that has started long before it, far bigger and greater than we'll ever be able to deduct, and at some point it took the form of some fire ball with big many explosions and going on stuff, as a vague example...

All absolutely made for life to think independently and be driven by the quest for knowledge.

There will always be an anomaly, an exception, the touch of the UI, in our big all englobing vision, worse, our physics could change right in our face for a grimace... Because the conclusion is evident; there are no constant, and you can't determine "matter" with the universe as your sole vision.

So the law of conservation and its related stuff is wrong, in the everything is wrong list, for the grimace...

So, the way to see it is that as the sun advances its gravity field attracts something like antimatter, or an incomplete form, which is supposed explode a lot they say, probably as autocorrect capacity, and that generates momentum and direction, starting the entropy process, and once it passes some threshold of light, as history, as a light fluctuating aspect of the same gravitational field, which can then be picked up immediately by a greater field, and-or, it is left behind as the contrary residual invisible form it started, with stuff left behind at every step, with their probable different dimensions to the "antimatter" related to them, which means gravity or time is different for each entities, the earth is overwhelmed by our sun, then itself overwhelmed by the galaxy, and other bodies may apply, like our vessels, when we'll have top quality hulls to sustain the particle battering of interstellar travel.....which could develop as a crust or a gathering of stuff that could be used as fuel as I think about it. But gravity is a drag, or a drag system too, it's time going on with life at the tip of the photonic arrow, and it means we should be dragging, proportional to level of forces, as a tornado, behind us, our history, which is time, which is entropy, which is a drag, as an autocorrect that is still waiting, processed as steps, as a record of the story, in photonic quality.

We're all absorbed...

It's not only a matter of speed but of force too, since what's left behind would be the missing force aspect of the hole, which is needed to decompose matter to fill itself all the way to the black hole for the slowest speed of galactic correction, as a recycler in part.

So what is being interacted by life exist at the moment it exists as particles, so it shouldn't exist, except as a reflection in the past, if I get you weird.

It's like yesterday doesn't exist, except what life or intelligence gather and transmit.

Yesterday becomes another dimension.

Still, the life aspect is a minimal here, it includes anything Gaia, or sense related, or global intelligence related, but it may as well all be photonic; who can't make a bunch of photons? All this is still the simplest view, it's probably a complex amalgam that can develop as a multi level and aspect system of interaction, as the threads or roll, or 3D color matrix of history. Everybody is leaving its history behind, galaxies, suns, planets, life, all under different forms, including the past of the developing universe, which could contain many types of residual stuff, some of which don't exist anymore around us because they were old dimensions; life at the beginning was not like it is today.

As for skimming, this effect may be as spread as explosion effects in the universe, and it's just a matter of generating an imbalance, and it should be all over the place, at all levels of forces, and those effect are another way to influence or even control dimensional aspects of the universe, the physical laws governing its movement, within the chaos going on. First you could have a level where the imbalance is held in place temporary by a very little investment of energy, just before getting a big kick from switching level, so you get direction and momentum. At another level you could use this effect to turn stuff around super fast until they become threads to expose all facets of information, as either a mirroring effect, or as filtering and optimizing process, where certain arrangement, or threads (frequencies) come to cumulate as a ball and all what doesn't fit the frequency is recycled back.

You could have aliens or a god thing skimming our history, could that work?

Like snowboarding around?

Or like stealing it all then forcing the rich to pay ransom to modify their part, for the evil side of things...

Just they try, like my work my history and all what is related to me is sacred to me, the only connection I have is Gaia and the UI, the rest I can't trust under no circumstances, with benefit of the doubt exception in the face of forced choices...

Our selection of matter is the one that generally stays together under the gravitational, entropic, force of our sun, which is a matter gatherer and reformulator, which in turn gets limited by other force of the galaxy. Each time we attain one of these steps we'll need and be capable of developing greater technology, build stronger hulls for our skulls, for life intelligence to continue on its quest to exist in any environment, but doing so becoming more connected to the UI, which can take the form of new aspects to the autocorrect feature. In conclusion, autocorrect, or entropy, or time, or gravity, they are all one force; the force of infinity.

That's metaphysical science right?

Probably but don't confound with movie manipulative bullshit...

And autocorrect is not or not the whole story of quantum entanglement...The stability of our existence is dependent from a super complex interplay of influences, and there could be more particles representing a solid quantum than what we have the capacity to deduct; force taking their minimal matter form, if you start from the start, not explode stuff. They are just not a part of our physical domain anymore, but they're still there.

That's super, but for us common of mortals, everything is a matter of making open and closed and half closed and boxes and circles and arrows around stuff, to work with the theory of relativity, but now we surpassed both Newton and Einstein with this visit within the quantum dominion, thanks...

It was all all about the godly light and its photon, big as the sun, it's all photonic, while life god ideology dictates to look in dark matters too, unseen, spiritual, pass through stuff...

Small but indestructible in the many where information can circulate at near infinite speed, where the smallest quantum can go far in the negative if its friends around got the energy to spare... The more there are the farther, the more matter the more energy to transfer, and information is still dependent from distance and wave matters, apart for life vessels. So the highest and lowest speeds can tend toward infinity, and the difficulty of attaining it should increase proportionally, and at the smallest simplest of scales, as information, we're already making satellites and quantum computers doing things far faster than Einstein...

I really don't think like him after all, too, and my biggest problem is that I'm inversed, in hell, and thanks for it I deciding some years ago that matter doesn't really exists, and that everything is a time form (temporary) under my own "wrong" definition of entropy, but I had things in their right order from the beginning, by starting little and growing big, with my life spirituality, not the contrary ideologically, to end-up having to reverse engineer things mathematically.

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If it rhymes you're surely right sir.

There are only forces taking matter forms, or time forms, which represent the effort involved in creating matter and the time it takes to go back to nothingness, my definition of entropy, in harmony with relativity. Because to me the only thing that can work to describe time is entropy, and nowhere do I see a relation of time that make sense in the way entropy is currently defined, in the sense that time is relative to entropy, not the plank constant or anything else, and entropy is the grand specific to decomposition process of matter because it is something you cannot feed, and too vague and complex and changing and it includes all what's going on in the universe all the way to what you cannot see, so you can't calculate it, even in a theoricaly impervious box. The same with time; you need to associate it to a totally englobing process, from where you are at the tip of matter integrity, versus where the universe is in its decomposition process, which you cannot know without entropy, so you associate the 2, and you still cannot know, because it's beyond your solid quantum stuff, in the domain of infinity...

Particularly with the UI; you can't be sure of anything... But could it work?

It probably has to, the dreams of Gaia...

And there is no other name for this process than entropy, and a static arrangement of things is not entropy, the same for all the forms a matter can take, it is not entropy, it is diversity, or reformulation diversity, or random results, so we should use these terminologies.

You're a bit quick to decide these things...

We wonder why people are sop messed up and prefer to stay ignorant; that's why; scientific incompetence with terminologies Mr. President, if not blatant disinformation, like they're trying to invalidate logical simple understanding to make elitism bullshit... And you don't eliminate a vision by stealing the word

Nobody stole...

because there is none to qualify something everybody can understand here. So, arrangement settling "As", or the reaching of the equilibrium point of radiation energy in a preset system "s" are not entropy, it's "Ass" for people of simple logic. Mass momentum, even as feeling, is not entropy either; maybe the spirit is just good...

Ass, are you some kind of clown?

There's anarchy in synonyms that's worth mentioning...

Worse, entropy is further messed up to help along the theory of chaos which doesn't make sense in itself, and me I'm losing my mind embarking in these historical figures games and mathematical representations, even the dictionary is in it... Things are ridiculous enough that they made chaos entirely dependent from order, and to make things worse it's been made a synonym of disorder, but disorder is an antonym of order and there is no chaos equivalent there, not even system, so I guess somebody will have to invent perfection theory.

But that would sound bad in hell...

It's like a weird conflicting emphasis on disorder, is it divide to reign I guess, or bullshit to reign?

Now, it is scientifically evident that someone is all wrong and persisting in denial of all existential logic, because the only way to get chaos is in a situation devoid of order is what happened at the beginning of existence, but where are their affirmations that things started chaotic? And that's where your mathematics must go, nowhere else. And any other way you look at it is plain wrong or twisted, this is absolute fundamental logic, but since it's super limited, then people can use superficially to describe something that looks like a random mix.

I think chaos can still be useable to describe a mess, when used with people it lead to a very negative feeling, they are anarchists, at the extreme.

Chaotic morons devoid of intelligence, but not really zombies because they can still work together as a heard of social animals in a competition of fucking... They want people who don't follow the order of things without knowing precisely or consciously why, to be made "bad" so they made them chaotic or bums and anarchists; it's like a Christianity reaping believers... So it was profited from to become associated to unwanted attitudes, to pressure select and divide.

We may be better limiting our vision to what happens in the room of some people then, or to describe a situation that can't be easily described; but that's very relative, and still too easy to eliminate as a notion, because even then, chaos doesn't exist, if you didn't build the box through order it wouldn't exist, if the floor that was built from order didn't exist, the box would fall lower, etc. So while it's an acceptable expression, the true term is disorder there too, and no complex true computer simulation can be based on chaos formulas; randomness is the appropriate, useable form of "chaos".

You're really convincing...

Even if we wanted to describe a randomly generated result by using the term chaotic as a synonym of random, it's not even in the synonyms... If you're stuck seeing it as the result of a chaotic process within an impervious container, then you're as well make it the introductory principle of entropy related philosophies, and thus entropy becomes ours.

Ours?

Yes, we fight for discarded terminologies and spiritual visions?

You could say that, but entropy?

Maybe I'm going too far, but entropy still get a terminology kick to put its ass where it belongs to me; an arrangement settling system, because you entered the black magic domain without caring for the meaning of things... What exists is entropy, what exists is dust to dust, with those you can invent a logical and understandable philosophy about the fact that things start as dust and end up as such unless intelligence develops. The present view of chaos easily ends-up wrong too, and the top ridiculous would be to consider it a force, it's a state of things. It's like inventing a philosophy because a word sounds strange

Yeah, don't confound a track of piss with stuff is what I say...

I can still throw chaos lightning in games?

Violet chaos rain from the dark domain...

Rain falling and splashing is chaotic...

Looking at it is chaos going on

If you snapshot it it's not chaos anymore?

No, it's a result, you can copy the snapshot

I say that in theory you could even recreate the same result, but absolutely not in practice, even for the UI, so yes you can definitively use chaos to describe the result and process of randomly generating a result.

And the random generator aspect of your chaotic process would be something like the current vision of entropy, because what gets out of your "Ass" (arrangement settling system) is, well, not entropy, even if it radiates a lot, and a random generator is supposed to produce a random result, so to get the chaotic result you got to follow the chaos, know what I mean? In your container that's impervious to everything and black holes and all.

For now it's the universe or people or intelligence that control and choose to control their environment, and when they stop it's entropy that takes care of things.

Like entropy, chaos is something within the grasp of everybody, as something that can't be easily repeated between two functions, other than that, it may have at the first step of existence, the rest is confusion, which is oddly appropriately fitting. You could even say that the only true place of chaos is before the starting process of intelligence, and not only because the process of autocorrect within the universe eliminates the notion, but because beyond that point it takes the form of a generator. As for the 3D or 4 or 5 or whatever matrix of the universe, it is quantum mechanics at its most fundamental, nothing else, and so its systemic form is the form that was necessary to get a result, and the result has been generated somewhere along an infinity of possibilities, under the form of chaotic behaving matter accumulating, which is as well being right now... You can have the same kind of effect at the first steps of intelligent existence, where more basic forms of systems got created from exploring the possibilities of different matter forms for forever more sense capability, from a line a line to a ball, and the more you explore the more form capabilities.

You lost me at the 3D matrix thingy...

It's not like in the matrix?

No, and yes on some aspect. With the UI doing the vacuum of the roll of history, some could go back for a closer look from what we said the other day...

I was saying the universe is what was needed to obtain the result, which amounts to setting the best path, and somewhere within this amalgam of matter, time form, the result will appear. The larger the pool the more variance for success, and probably galaxies seen as an independent generator that will develop a bunch of successful spacefaring entities, around the best.

You mean upside down? You want the human or something and a universe will appear to make it true?

Yes ...and with the UI you're sure there is some form of stuff sipping away, and it's not a constant

He's crazy...

and don't you dare flush this UI idea, we're handing everything to science and learning institutions on a platter here, spirituality is all over your face as a dimensional aspect of intelligence, we're handling you all kind of intelligences to go nuts about, what do you think the UI is for a science person like me? It amounts to your "mathematical-physics" manifestation of god.

That's it man...

For the rest, who talks like that eh?

Indeed...

Fundamentally speaking, beyond chaos there are only random parameters within an order, so you start with chaos theory, do all kind of random generators as boxes influencing each other and exchanging results, and between each of them is the chaotic process, and then you select the boxes you want as your arrangement settling system, the "Ass" you want to define, under the end result of radiating heat if you want... Or, your entropy is an ass theory, disambigually speaking...

That's it calm down...

Or you could say that the UI randomly generated a universe, the process was chaotic, and we are experiencing the result constantly, for the only exception to the everything is variable list, and like time, that's just weird or unquantifiable.

What...

So while we went along the process of gravity, we left behind our history under the form of entropy, and we gave it a tick because our form of intelligence needs it. So for us, time is just our story divided as slabs.

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It is worth mentioning that all this 25 pages you just read was the result of a 15 years development, I put it here so you have the general idea right away, but if you continue reading this chapter to the end and continue straight to Lift Off, you'll see how I came to this conclusion.

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It seems the dust to dust view, or entropy, is something about momentum and thermodynamics of random stuff what's not, and that's annoying me a lot, because, while related, it removes the vision from simple understanding for everybody with the help of scientific ambiguity artistry. I know I defend many strange concepts but they interrelate logically, so it's not because we're talking infinity that any wrong or any view becomes defendable, even the big bagn is scientific artist ambiguity methodology bullshit these days, like they think it's wrong after all, but it does serves the scientific "elite" I could say...

I guess they go to school and learn everything twisted and that's their terminology, so it work for them, but it can completely close aspects of knowledge to practically everybody, except those on youtube who try to make experiments that fit their results so they can look intelligent besides the guy that got its mind stuck at the terminology, which can be your president...

That's super important, if you don't want to develop schizophrenia...

He could be into something

Like I'm never...

It's a language thing a lot, how you say things...

What?

Thinking...I elaborated from how this situation developed as we talked about things until now, and how it develops in society as a reflection of superficiality from cut fundamentals, and I think terminology encroaching and displacing is a grave problem too. The process of thinking is related to language a lot, it's all a matter of transforming what we imagine as words, and that's how you can communicate between different intelligence types. So it's not only a limitation to our thinking capacity, but one to any communication we'll have with other intelligent entities, including unconsciously through dreams. If you want quality you define well your basic word and principles imagery, and if you want depthness, then you get a well related knowledge base and you care.

So let's restart at the beginning, and get our terminologies straight, logical, and understandable, allright? And the worst failure of science is scientific ambiguity about fundamental concepts that everybody is supposed to visualize easily, right at the first mention.

One of the problem with terminologies is that the concept they describe tends to be general initially, and then some guy will find a situation where it doesn't work, and there the you need to displace the term where it's still valid, until you lose the simple view. So, if we want to make the simplest updated form of understanding, we got to start at the beginning in our interrelations, visually as a schema (with bubbles with arrows if you want), where we can easily know where you are (can be in a process of transformation), and what form we're talking about (if it's a force you show it as wind, not matter), and you cut the lines where we want to limit our vision (arrows with a hint at what you're removing from the equation). Or we can do it by adding a few symbols (not tons like a mathematician) that explain the form of the limitation (like if it work only in closed systems). The other thing is that the logic must be seen as an absolute to intelligence, so we don't displace a term until it becomes illogic.

As soon as we debark from logic and try to force our vision, mathematically if we want, we're doing the exact same thing as Christianity with spirituality; making a mess of disinformation that bow peoples brains into submission to keep an advantage.

This is an argument that's as worthy as a whole formulae, the logical terminology that dictates the visions people can have to help their intelligence along its process of quick judgment, which is a part of general feeling intelligence capabilities constrained by time; you can understand stuff in youth just to get the vision, then when you get older you may chose deeper more precise understanding, or go another way totally, or you may need to understand a new concept quickly to take a minute decision.

This mentality of thinking logically and interrelated to care for the integrity and signification of thing, is what permits us to write this book you know, and while I'm your usual no knowhow in anything in English too, I find it a bit stupid, or weirdly ironic that I'm there complaining about that, it's just that either you see it as a good and evil way, or you say we do like everybody and try to get things our side, since the ultimate goal is still to affect reality positively... And while I know complaining about these things is not the nicest of businesses, we show life how there could be more positive doing things this way...

But who's gonna do it anyway, eh? TV people? Amateurs of memes on facebook? Serious writers are stuck repairing the mess, those who think without the TV or internet, people who create without copying, who write to repair wrong or deficient visions babblers are spreading, those who fight for the logical definition of words and their integrity too! The definition of words is supposed to be as limited as you can form an image within your mind, when I talk about a woman, I don't talk about a man with lipstick to whom you attach tits on. I'm attracted to women, nothing else and you won't travestite my mind with fake, bullshit or deception, until I'm attracted to whatever twisted vision the weirdoes running all those media institutions try to stuff people with while thinking they're good for it, as they make lists and pools, of the people they converted, as a proof that's they are good, for "saving" whatever fucker they made popular or a source of money! And you can call me evil all you want for standing for sense, but you will use the word instead of doing it as an hypocrite, because you are destroying the best potential as people with your holier than thou liberty of twisting everything and your bullshit pressures, and it mean the people who think different than you are evil and should live in shame in your jealous or intolerant self-inflation, hypocrite hater, then be served your wishes, since you're so cool! Oh, and all the boss of present media institutions are evil in my vision, and most of the employees they select or raise too, and I'm not shy saying it while knowing your big smiles and mentalities are all on camera for the future to prove me wrong, and you can embark all governments who spend money in any media institution under whatever form.

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As you say we should distance ourselves a bit from these weirdoes, but...

They'll pass over your work, because they are absurdly inadequate of judgment in hell, they're too disconnected from reality, and their whole system of marketing and selection of what's good for people is a freedom of expression perversion of manipulators.

He's moody...

It's ideological matters, one of the difference between order and disorder, between self-condemnation and succeeding in space. I always said bullshit would be the fall of humanity, we kill millions in wars and we're ruining life and the planet with bullshit, and that's why I'm so pissed-off with religions, governments and their mass media institutions, their bias and manipulations, including all these crappy sick personalities they brainwash people to admire. You won't make cattle out of me, I'm a life creature, you just had to respect intelligence, life, provide me exemplary people, and understand fundamental principles of language formation, and not fail to the point of making a bullshit market out of freedom of expression!

Yes... and once you'll be done with your information war against intelligence, your brainwash of godly superstars and your competition emphasizes, then maybe you'll be competent to judge a piece of work like we're doing, and me, as a person.

The piece of work we're doing with you...

What do you mean?

And don't you spit on perfection along the way by saying nobody's perfect, you made it a classic fourre-tout that justifies anything, in fact, big babblers twisted the definition in their big wisdom to the point that it means something bad, worse, it is associated to narcissism now, so I reserve this word signification like our science relationist guy said about entropy, humanity refuses to understand it by rejecting the logic of it.

A reject... And me I say everything is perfect and shut-up.

A nice reform party could remove 2/3 of today's ruining bullshit providers, for them to become like small farms that take far better care of their animals, the intelligences listening to them, and far more culturally emphasized, even if all kind of globally associated systems of information will always be crucial.

As for me, since I can always be seen as the problem except for everywhere else except hell, in the everywhere list, let's say I'm no expert or government or scientist or TV superstar, and I must work with general visions that are supposed to be logic, and I must still express my things, so I write.

You're supposed to be Mr. important or something...

In fact, there is such a difference between what I write and the result of what's scripted by the media industry, that it would be a shame that I put my face in front of a camera to make any affirmation, it has become a nest of self-inflated cheaters, profiteers and trolls, and this should be valid for any serious writer for as long as the media industry does not totally changes its ways and stop producing rich twisted minds.

No problem! Just shut down the whole industry of psychopath fakers, because its proofs are made, it has spread wrong or twisted view on everything, on purpose out of jealousy, or hypocrite hate, or from being too disconnected, even if their brainwashed selection is addicted to it. It is rotten, 3/4 of its soaps are not only a waste of money, but a shame on intelligence, and the same for all those babblers shows with a selected audience where everybody try to be holier than the other.

It's not where we're going, and it's not like there is a control panel or something...

Quality content writers have nothing to do there, the popularity or sales is not worth it, they should talk through the mouth of their cannons, even if they make mistakes, and if they become the hidden superior race so be it! And all of you fakers who never end babbling like machines, who like to make bullshit controversy to help their popularity, with your selection to whom you need to provide your argumentation, you will learn from where your knowledge comes from and you will respect it.

Relax... let's relativize and not shut down everything, stop smiling, doing entertainment, showing competent people and become austere, right? Middle line and good intents...

Manipulators do that! They'll go to the other extreme to make evil out of good people.

Look at the news, everything is not that bad; a TV star is getting a dose of big positive publicity right there, because she sweared on her media network, wow, big action, what is that? Seriously? And "they" say trans genre

Travesties as a genre, so they're not girls...

It's trans sexual...

And metro sexual...

They're coming in strong and will make a better world they say, written black on white.

They better get to work because we have a big head start here...

In fact, media people are all conglomerating after trans genre.

I'm life genre, and no congregating around in sight...

They did the same for gay people genre, and the final selection are so susceptible to media bullshit, and they need so much to prove that they're good and that changing the world for the better is a manner of tolerating anything, that being trans genre will soon be a plus for your political career! So yes, maybe...

Are you nuts?

Nothing against people doing whatever they want with their bodies, my problem is media self-righteous fuckers, soap superstars included, who are messing the definition of everything while deciding good and evil by embarking everybody with brainwash and pressures. So yeah, media people predict the future by making it as usual, and they'll use their good aspects to manipulate you into defending them, a good defense strategy, evil always need to keep the benefit of the doubt, as an argument for people in denial, and the final selection that is so different and independent in their multiculturalism will sure follow trends, as usual...

Predictable...

In the end, this is probably the exact situation that can lead to the failure of whole solar life systems; systemic displacement of the value of everything on the wrong people and bullshit. People controlling facets of communication that censor and manipulate and pervert to profit from the work of others, even revolutionary minds who could move people in a better direction by making an emphasis on the show off people they like most and crediting them, even in advance, for the changes they're trying to implement. They'll discard, destroy or decapitate everything to reinforce still more an unfair system because media bosses are the richest around and the most evil just on that facet. And you will never know, like I don't know, how important some work were because they were devaluated by self-inflated assholes with an attention black hole disorder who want the world dependent from them as an argument that they're superior or right.

Wait, wait, wait, black hole what?

The world will know them, they'll praise quick superficial bullshit, but you'll be lucky if you notice a lifelong profound pieces of work, particularly one like we're doing, or they will talk about it once they adjusted their bullshit to make it invalid, it won't get the right publicity at the right time, and then you'll have a bunch of profiteers growing themselves a precursor or godly reputation from running around with decapitated twisted facets, with media people to boast their great creativity as they come to the same conclusions as types like me did 30 years before, but now it's both too late and invalid as divided profit facets for their market.

Nice resume...

You're right, people think they're special or better for anything these days, enough so I passed my life crushed under their boots; here is what it is to be really special, here is creativity, here is vision, here is intelligence, from a life of tolerance, I lived hell, and what's a moron gotta do with my opinions?

Distance himself sir, and the selection continue, but they'll choke on this one, I grantee it, and it will all be their fault, because you stood with logic, and did as you were told, and you cared so much you redefined good and evil.

The path I have chosen is one that lead to entities, so I'm stuck in my integrity to go there, to meet any god vision proudly, and what I'll carry within my mind as a human experience, what I live all my life, which is an insult to life and intelligence from my point of view. If I must waste my mind and live poorly because I can with all the qualities I decided to develop, reap the worst of my country, live in humility beside those on a quest for self-inflation, if I'm stuck under the boots of fearful and jealous little bitches to the end of my life because some made showing-off the highest priority of their society, if I can take my life to write an epopee about all the fantastic panoply of intrinsically interrelated condemning problems profiteers prepared for my life, went from misery and guaranteed failure to strength and glory in my soul, with opposition instead of help in this self-boasted civilized society, and still end-up having to stay a nothing because I end-up inappropriate, thanks to its systems of god selection, then you forced, yes, forced me to be your enemy to keep on existing.

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I'm not satisfied, this is the human as a society that is on its path to represent another pathetic show of failure for the whole creation of spirits to watch, as you get filtered to become dead memories, systemized thieves of creativity, watch the price for a species to crush or desecrate its own intelligence, to feed extreme evil and unfairness while profiting from the coat of good like traitors, until the whole population is on its knees before faking gods. So do what you do best, twist everything, manipulate to distribute the credit for intelligence and creativity to your selection of worthy system fabricated personalities, crush me even lower all you want, do whatever you want to defend yourself, your proofs are made from the beginning to the end, if it's a matter of becoming god to you, then I'll be there waiting as someone who stood with integrity, to serve you the place you belonged while I lived, with algorithms to classify you the same way you classified me, mechanically, and the day I'll listen to an opinion is the day someone will pass through, and I guess you need to be told that you won't like it, because you don't have the right development of intelligence to have the qualities or argumentation to decide who is god, and those you treat like they are, those to whom you give all the advantages, are or become blatantly inappropriate for life.

Me too, while I talk entities and intelligence in sense here, all you have are your psychopath gods that can't be trusted about any emotion they try to show, and your tuning test; one goes with the other I guess, because it doesn't take much of a psycho to understand that you're downgrading human intelligence to a self-reinforcement pattern with this vision.

It's not even a joke, it is really a tuning test, or if you prefer, it is meant to study and tune the human to the standard of some other intelligence that you think should be superior, a babbling pro? And ambiguous scientist? Then enter a race to make it true, by testing and tuning...

Can't be more moroner a view of intelligence than that, who made that?

Ms. Tuning sir.

They have a methodological comparative guy! Who is he anyways? Some lobbyist? But yes, I guess it does work in hell to actually form human intelligence to some standard so it fits straight as a brick in minimal entropy except for stupidity as the roll of history... So yeah, have your godly government decide the parameters of the machine, its knowledge and way of dealing with it, all the way to self-reinforcement with babbling algorithms that will distribute AI all over your home and everywhere, all ethically responsible deontology stuff...thinking.......since we gather intelligence around these days, it's in the clouds, just jump on the rainbow to grab at it...

Luckily, we're at a new reality epoch thingy, so it is not too late to arrange our knowledge better so it becomes more inclusive an available for understanding to everybody without all the hypocrisy and manipulations. And yes our languages are allright to some extent, and yes media people do provide good content, and lots of nice competitive entertainment and tons of weird soaps, games are another world too, and who said it had to be panic epoch? And let's not kill Mr. tuning, he made a nice concept that some people exaggerated. But like my friends I push for better, far better, as a logical philosophy where it is a natural ideological process, and I do it emotively because I care for real. And don't forget half the responsibility is on the people embarking, and they won't discard this responsibility by attacking out of frustration, the way you do things to be appropriate is the same way you raised hell, by debarking instead of embarking, you don't kill media people, you disrespect them, wish them bad stuff in afterlife,

More appropriate variations of the classic evil against evil "we'll meet again in hell" unless they're sufficiently out of their minds maniacs of control to make that illegal as a hate crime in their bullshit liberty of expression that is all emphasized for them...

You dump their tools, like TV, and fight mentally, criticize them hard and hate them versus a vision of good and evil or toward ideals, that's super important, and that applies to anybody dealing with masses. Who said our science and formulas are garbage? There are extraordinary minds way beyond me in everything. I actually qualify a lot of our knowledge as advanced, so it would be easy to say I'm making an ass of myself with this, but I absolutely know that some terminologies caused me a problem of understanding, and actually because I understood...Why limit understanding? Why make everybody go nuts in ambiguity? Why abandon the fundamental aspect of everything, remove yourself from the everything "is" list, and then lament that people are not interested, worse, lament that our vision of the universe doesn't work; what are we trying to accomplish here?

Making a fool of science with ambiguities? Until your lowest denominator of value is stomping all over your education seeking the fundamental simple vision of everything? And actually telling you that you'll eventually be forced to include quantum mechanics stuff that you don't understand yet, as inclusive to all your mathematics to fit fundamental logic, not as an adapter between two worlds; if you limit it you remove the fundamental connection, everything is, or in quantum term, tending toward infinity, or unquantifiability...

Science specializations, and their related mathematical functions, are a passion and those people are supposed to have maximal credibility, so we can't be shy criticizing them, or their TV ambassadors.

Yeah, TV should get better people to read their infantilisations to force their vision all over the world, the enthusiastic fakers who read stuff in front of cameras like they don't even know what they're babbling about

They always zoom on their big face

They use cheap round eyes and failed convincing children effect too, I prefer someone that at least feels genuine...

Some look like they have a, a what again?

Babbling

Babbling diploma and need the job to finish their drunkard career...

Babblers who can't stop fainting over the godly glorified Stephen Hawkins.

What is it with you? That's unhealthy, get a life already!

Babbler that has a use, so let's just think middle line.

We babble a lot around here for sure too...

I's more constructive babbling than self-inflating.

Self-inflating babbling is my vocation, just so you don't forget...

As for scientists, they are at the top position as providers of facts, and their passion should be a pure one, methodologically; they don't wear the white coat for nothing, and they're supposed to be at the top in moral integrity, to behave adequately methodologically and for as long as they don't endorse a good and evil vision, then they'll have to bow to unsatisfactory hierarchy deciding their priorities, and this hierarchy in hell got it's own agendas with the money you know...

Science not supposed to bow to any hierarchy system because a category of people made a law out of it. They have their hands right in actual matters, why should they bow to a boss that got capitalism as a string of DNA? Scientists are not tools to provide a result to other humans. For now science is emphasized for the desire of capitalistic businessmen and their governments competitions for votes, and "independent" research must fight for leftovers under the forms of grants, like Canada's million dollar life in a bottle, and they actually had to bum businessmen to get it done...

And we're not talking about how creativity is exploited by the most evil people, or most unfair as means (tools of life evolution), as a smiling competition at it... Evidently there are those who don't care because they just do their job, some are in to get at the trophies, and those who can be bought to babble credibility in pub campaigns and soaps, and those who prove religious miracles, and those who invent false psy maladies, and those who invent worthless medications.

I say if you're there for the show or fame, don't become a scientist, and I like science, I like technology, medication that is truly useful is a good thing, education, etc, etc, but it seems education is a manipulation and dividing gregarisation tool here, and it is definitively not developing the human at its best. Generally, I can say the learning system is adapted to reality, but more specifically to science, I'll say that it strongly contributes to take possession of imagination spheres in the way it is making a psychological or scientific thing out of everything for competition.

You even have politician science, what is that? You have politician psychology? It's probably some extraordinary superior and apart thing that got to be studied independently, you got the mass and its psychology, and gods and their psychology, like when people become a successful politician they reveal big conceptual differences in their world vision! Wow, I wouldn't dare going that way, you could develop politician psychology science or psychological science of the scientific psychology of the politician, to talk politically correctly...

You're pushing a little...

Yes but you get the point; closed circles of weirdoes are made, scratch that, sounds like co-sanguine stuff where evolution is guaranteed to stagnate, I mean, closed circles are made of divided imagination spheres that only selected people following a limited predetermined path can enter with credibility, scratch that, sounds like a sect, all is missing is initiation ceremonies to seal the deal.

That's the way you're going to go about it with good and evil heuristics?

Things seems even more twisted condemned than what he says when you seriously think about it, we need a science of politics as the final eternal condemnation because that's the logical continuation of things, like going to school to learn how to be a politician that fit the system. The system is made to eternally get the same kind of people that fit it, it is seen as an invincible structuring that can only accept those who will permit it to continue.

Only popes can run the catholic church, and I'm ready to bet popes are all Christians, and the selected people that can become popes are taken from the best selection in the world that can fit it, those are named priests, or archevangelists or something, for the Democracy-Capitalism business, those are named politicians, and instead of churches it is schools that permit them to do that, and I'd bet only politicians can take the position, or businessmen or something.

A political and monetary system must be understood in its totality in youth, surely not by scientists!

What is education with all those media experts with an attention deficit disorder anyways? Someone makes a study or prove something, then you got experts dwelling in pseudo-credibility with their diploma sticking out of their back pockets gone extrapolating their imagination all over the place saying the future will look like this or like that, like it will end all our problems. It is not because a discovery is made that any spill of imagination about it will happen, stay realist is what I say, a lot of what I hear about the future is fairy tales to me; unrealistic.

Evidently, they'll reject the extreme possibilities we explore as fairy tales and the new reality we'll design as unrealistic...

In the 70's there was an explosion of tech too, people envisioned the year 2000 as a kind of utopia where all the problems of humanity would become nonexistent. The world did change, but where are the I-Robots? Did they predict the internet for a start? yeah, probably something looking like it, where's the food for everybody? happiness? power? The golden age from science and tech advancement failed when you manipulated Santa Claus... We're in a mess like never before, and I say putting humanity's fate in the hands of TV science that is again repeating the same pattern all the way to autosuggesting people are Homer Simpson will be our last mistake, particularly if it's under the will of businessmen or people seeking popularity.

You're getting comfortable I see...

The same for Stephen hawking, stop seeking his counsels, he doesn't even look healthy, the only thing making sense getting out of his mouth lately is the dribble general. He looks like a government experiment on brainwash gone wrong I should add, and who, exactly who decided that he was god and anything he said was important and credible worth worldwide news? It's the wheelchair? Stupid media people... I don't mean no disrespect sir, but no good idea get out of all the time he passes pondering astrophisism anymore, something's degenerating sir, out.

Probably your already bad reputation...

Eh, what? He was talking about the Tuning test lately, suggesting passing it is a proof of intelligence, while that proves he understands nothing of intelligence... Worse, he said computers will destroy us humans, while it proves he understand nothing of programming... Maybe he's into Christianity, because yes that could apply to the UI, it could possess their internet if they're too much of an insult to intelligence, or materialize as god for religious people, not if that's what you want, but anything massively stupid to ignorance self-condemnation point could apply, like blocking computer development to keep a life exploitation system going, or to stay retarded until you die...

When you say Christianity someone's gonna die...

Some Christianity reformers could have had such an intent thinking about it, by making humanity, even themselves, ignorant of it for long enough, but then as I write this I would invalidate their initial intents, for some time, and maybe we still exist because there is always somebody that has the potential to change things, until religious people win and have their freak show...

To me it's been quite easy to see computers as logical tool of a better decision system, and I'm certain that has been known as soon as they started making their economy dependent of computers; it's the rich again that started the paranoia with their stash system, rich media institutions updated their classic fear techniques and developed it all over the place in many movies to prevent people from inventing a decent computerized system that could replace their democracy parody, like it's evil, ethics people don't mess with computers, while the whole world is overloaded in computing!

They don't fear artificial bullcrap intelligence, they fear losing their job, their system of profiteers, and they're absolutely ready to sacrifice the whole life planet for their ass.

Yet, in the end, it's just because we are under a momentum of time, because even with computers systemized all the way to the political system, you'll still always need some science related political expertise, the whole gamut of diplomats too, and I don't just mean some scientists around, I talk understanding, they should be close related, and the ones who have absolutely no place there are profiteers and businessmen and media people, their place is independence, they do with the laws, and when they break the law they go straight to prison for mass cheating no pass go. In the future, those in for the fame, money, or family dynasty, won't find a job in these aspects of society, that's the difference, and that's the problem, not computers.

For now you got programs made of algorithms for learning how to chat and if people are fooled then it's a proof of intelligence, then there are clicking algorithms that study people clicking around to better manipulate them, and it's all a matter of their suggestions on what is a valid image or word people are supposed to click on, and it's all dependent on the mood of people when they click, which may as well mean they come to click when they reach the appropriate mood. And then when a speaker answer verbally by reading some stuff, and it sounds intelligent, then it must be intelligence! What a logic! "sounds" will need some disambiguation here... That's why they twisted intelligence to the point of gathering it in ambiguation buckets, wow, it's just around, it's a resource, that way it can be marketed, in the everything is marketable list, better, it's a possession of god! America! With its CIA, and it's actually an institution that passes its time snooping around for the rich to take actions, even steer reality before things happen...

Well sent, and that doesn't work with me or with my intelligence, and I'm the one seeing many things that can qualify as intelligence, and this one is not on my list.

And it opens the door to complete terminological mess up, until any bullcrap that can manipulate people as a pyramid of moronism potential is seen as intelligence, to the point that we found a way to copy the human mentality as a program to embark programmers in a competition against life intelligence while the whole concept is ridiculous to the point that they could actually finish off the earth to build that evil AI thing as a competition to destroy or enslave humans because we kill or we could destroy ourselves or fail the whole intelligence thing as the fundamentals of their AI! We're taking the means with this manipulation competition emphasis...

We could say we try to grow intelligence from gathering data, if we can't say everything is intelligence sir.

Everything is not intelligence but everything is involved in intelligence.

Yeah, I guess it makes sense, you can't really ask a rock to discuss with a tuning test machine and hope to prove something...

I guess it can be easy to fool a morons that only ask stupid questions though, when the lower denominator of conversation is used, people on par with the machine... Just ask it to think like me, many intelligence could be fooling me, but this one don't even enter the definition...

Me just writing a page requires serious thinking in many interrelated subjects, while I imagine the slightest mistake in these formulation will degenerate when they get to the end of their human, computer encased, "philosophy", where the most ridiculous misunderstanding of thinking, or error, will send programmers back to work for a few years implanting new tricks or cheats in their machine intelligence to better fool people.

It's still good for game or learning stuff, but how does any of this proves independent intelligence?

It only proves there's manipulating intelligence behind with computers as their tool. It's like all those bots that nobody controlling the internet seems able to stop, spying bots and viruses of all kind, currently messing with everybody's personal life, yes you could fooled "me" into thinking I was talking to a moron speaking another language, but it doesn't prove nothing intelligent, it only proves I'm a nice person for spending some of my time trying to educate or understand someone at the wrong place that's missing a lot of intelligence.

Nothing intelligent to see here...

As I think of it, maybe they're trying to make us believe machines can become independently intelligent, the I-Robot thingy, and the internet is like blood with living viruses, so someday they'll stuff their ego philosophy in an internet walking machine and people will think it's supreme intelligence, because they're machines, machines are logic, can't go against logic, and when those radio controlled traitors will have ruined the planet for the rich, and ruined our lives by spying and manipulating it, then people will blast their I-Robots like in the movies, still thinking they're intelligent, or the problem...

What's so wrong with the I-Robot?

The way they're going you have to ask yourself if they're not trying to make computers with a higher IQ than themselves to replace us, inferior humans. Or getting humans to act like computers or robots or animals for that matter, in reverse engineer mentality theory... All that while we are very limited in life understanding, psychology too, all the tricks and twists of it, and while we're all there trying to make computerized life or clones, armies of flying robots are already there...

Robot stuff is definitively important and fun research but again media infantilizers and paternelizers and dramatizers shouldn't go overboard doing the flabbergasted on TV, because a robotic arm is nothing besides the arms provided by life, looking at my hand, all what it can do, all what it involves, well, to me that's a million times more extraordinary than a robotic arm. I do admire the piece of work, because it is still the result of many human intelligences working together, and in total harmony with what life does, and at a very different scale than having the result of a history of intelligence creating life; the robot arm is done as a result, within a very short research and development window, for a better consciousness effect, like less fear of sticking your arm in mechanical crunching apparatuses, as a bad example, if the robotic arm you'll plug as a replacement is paid by your employer...

Or you could wait for thousands of years for life to make stronger bones, but since it can't grow back arms, then it's nice that we (it) made steel ones as a replacement, to give you some personality, but I don't think it would want to replace itself...

I'm not much of an amateur of all these machine travesties looking like humans though, what is this mania of making everything look human for emotive manipulation?

It's for terminally fearful humans not to be scared, just so they won't be scared of the really scary things in hell...

What is that?

All what you write about...This whole hell is scared of your type sir, because you care and they raped and are destroying all what you care about to the point that you can barely live a minimalist life, everything is frustrating, and you have to redo everything from scratch passing those powerful years as a fucking monk with barely a use for a body while you're the most worthy of experiencing the full joy of it, but at least you can use it to survive from leftovers...

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Looks like it, but I was saying I don't want the motor in my car to smile at me hurray Walt Disney; it's supposed to be a wonderful machine with pipes and wires and that's the way I want to have it, the same with anything, don't make me eat cereals that smile at me... I want machines doing their tasks, and the robotic exception to this are behaving human as a task, or from personal preference since there are people who will want to hide the machinery under a human skin, so I suppose they should have the right to skin people for it... Bad pun of words apart, people can paint a Mona Lisa on their car if they prefer it like that, but I don't want to buy a car with a Mona Lisa's face, a car got its own skin after all, but yes, it may be better to have tattoos on their skin that leave people incredulous, than pub campaigns...

It makes me think of the stupid experiment they made where they took a "robot" and make it look human and have human emotions, then they threw a bunch of people around it and asked them to torture the thing, then those stupid "scientists" use the result as a proof that stupid robots should be given human rights in the future because people have emotional reactions to them. Well, children have been having emotional reactions with their stupid teddy bears and dolls from the beginning of time, we have emotional reactions with anything cute, did we give human rights to teddy bears and dolls? And they never mentioned the group effect in their methodological study; when a few people start doing the "good thing" in your "random" group, you can bet others will follow, often just to not look bad.

Where are you going with that?

I was just saying it's always cool to have a few scientists around that you can actually qualify as stupid or moronic, because ultimately you'll have to fight for people not to desecrate emoticons, they would become invincible manipulation pictures, people would develop emoticons to insult each others in the emoticon war, if not, people bashing at their stupid gay robot gone schizophrenic, whatever the emotion it's faking around, will make it so those expressions will come to mean not much, and me the day I'll be incarcerated because I kicked a robot of mine to laugh a little, you can bet I'll become a killer...

Emoticon war, and what again?

And what will you stuff in your I-Robot? A program with mess up algorithms to make fools of people so they fail the fool's test to tune in your intelligence?

We all know a program is a program, new lines of code don't appear by magic in a program, nothing would work if it did.

There's already enough bugs as it is no? No need to enter in a war with another intelligence as to who is writing stuff, I take the credit, this aspect of intelligence if you will, but yes, I would personally accept some level of influence, because I have faith...

I would doubt the autocorrect would autocorrect your stuff, but maybe some kind of imagery related to word language could form a kind of translation engine, in the far future, growing in complexity, to the point of becoming as full translator, maybe even a universal language, and it could work to autocorrect your text at that point if you had a way to keep the quantum connection between all steps open, but I don't think that's feasible.

You're supposed to not know what you're talking about...

For now, the way an intelligence would work through the quantum domain as seen as an autocorrect 3D matrix of forces, would be to force an image on the matrix as a constant autocorrecting situation, and if the image is possible, then it will eventually become reality, a flower and its cone of diversity.

You think?

This system could works for the UI that set it up for life, and while it may have reserved aspects, it would be patented to work from dependent while interdependent aspects too, so it works. The magic for us, if we had the connection, would be to wish something that's sufficiently realistic, praying theory, and life as an intelligence, with us to work reality, will work a version that works, or not if we're stupid, it's always the same. I would guess the UI to be capable of overwhelming it all, it may even connect new dimensions in your things, and your internet could go psycho on you, but it's not supposed to, you're supposed to be autonomatically successful...

Praying theory...

Maybe you could do something with a functional quantum computer, and being capable of suggesting it a vision as a tuning aspect at first. As an example, you could take something that has lasted 100 years as a technology, to limit power needs, that reflects the type of environment it sustained itself with time, like sunglasses, to limit power needs, and place them in an environment that you think it's highly possible, it could be there, to limit power needs, like on a rock with a blue sky, and places not, like on bubbling lava with a blue sky, and doing so you tune your computer to a human thing and you limit greatly the complexity and time or power it would take, now you could put the sunglasses on Pluto... Would it work or prove intelligence? Probably not, I'm just brainstorming...

Some humility...

And the result would be yes or no from some intelligent process or direct intervention, and even if you made a cone of probabilities, the UI or global intelligence could still mess up your plans, so you never feel safe and rely on it for a god... Furthermore, you have no idea of the form it will take (chaos in between), which may as well be very far from where you are as an option. You have strictly no instruction on how to proceed, except with the yes no questions, which you have to always ask in a manner as to keep the end result a yes, with images, your mind and its biased vision, and your incompatible and encroaching terminology, that's barely worth a significative dream these days, so go ahead... Yet, if everything could work that way, and you were worth it, then life would help you along, things would better fit into place, they'd develop faster, and you'd be more lucky too.

You don't need a quantum computer, just make sense in your vision of good and evil, that's the way, because if you don't, quantum computer or not, you'll be very lucky to spread in space, and the UI or after death processes will probably make a show of you.

So programs won't start programing themselves, unless we program them to create best behaviors from selected facets or polls of knowledge. Now, you could always add a dimension, but you'd have to understand a bit how the UI works on that, but yeah, it's a natural to add a dimension to things when they don't work, so don't be shy...

Duly noted...

As my mind can encompass all reality while developing concepts of the universe in a self-driving way, then if you want to talk minimally competent intelligence, you'll have to take into consideration that one reason for our independent intelligence is for it to move about and interact and modify reality, with life as its interface, so we have a reality working intelligence that works without the crashing and bugs, that can understand practically everything, and create precise programs to make automated tasks perfectly. That's a big quest for the robotic AI dream, where all the means to create the universe would need to be available to the program, you're on the wrong side of things if you prefer, or the right one for life... It's efficiency would be dependent from vast energy sources, it would need an energy transformation machine that can transform suns as electricity at the chain, and the result would be that upon consciously looking at itself and the speed it is disintegrating matter for existence, thus failing self-existence, its most basic function, it would develop algorithms of mathematical functions to birth a more capable form of intelligence, something like life, which would be capable of extrapolating knowledge from general logic, move about as small while functioning from recyclable energy, forever, thus not failing self-existence.

That's it for those experts spreading the idea that artificial intelligence will take over humanity while they make shitty algorithms they confound with intelligence, and it's always 10 years away, while I can't even have decently fun AI in games.

Life is the program of the universe, it exists for the universe to give itself an intelligence capable of exploring a maximum of possibilities (control chaotic processes, produce an order through entropy), and the "human" is the result of our solar life program (system), which exists to try an extrapolation of life, and it may or may not come to be capable of doing anything and everything, universe and life.

Still, even with all these limitations permitting our existence, we are the ultimate thing, the universe is for us and life too, but it's not all us that decides if we are good enough or ready, if not we wouldn't need parenthood, it is life all along with us.

So maybe we shouldn't sing that we got the best and only system if we don't even know if it is, maybe we're stagnating life development on many facets with it.

Life systems and universal laws decide things action reaction, don't think you're gods, or made in the image of the entity that created the universe and life, or even good at the step you're in, particularly if your fundamentals are both a mess and not understood by most of the population; we're not even adequate to deal in good form with our present knowledge.

If you want to see life-forms as robots because some businessman or scientist wants robots obeying master with a tie or a white coat, while thinking this reality's great psychology is good enough to stuff in them, or your superb internet, your choice, but robots are robots for as long as they aint got an independent mind whatever the big the IQ you stuff in them or complex algorithm with random functions, when you'll have one that can do anything a human can do, including reproducing, morphing itself and evolving from a protein without your help, then you'll call it a new species, not a robot, just to be sure with the terminologies. And you are still limited since if someday you create a program that starts programming itself and use matter to morph reality and itself without a need for life, then it would invalidate the universe, bravo for the survival concept...

Let's say an astrophysicist who thinks computers or robots will grow a singularity and start thinking by themselves or take over the world is kind of inappropriate.

And the same for that bunch who are all in to grow a superior brain in a bucket full of nanotech because they systemized a way to get a channel to grow in size proportionally to needed amount of electric current circulating in it, with a spike they think means intelligence at work could mean that the process sends surplus to enlarge the main channel instead of passing the power through less efficient detours, so you're kind of stretching the elastic a bit here, thinking you're seeing intelligence at work; you're most probably seeing a logical process common to all structures that got a systemized mean to grow efficiency.

What's with you all people?

Oh, and while you'll grow all kind of things and tricks to mimic brain functions, those won't be better than robotic programming, and you can't grow a bucket of neuron that's supposed to show signs of thinking, you'll grow a bucket of hate all the way from life to the UI, you're not just growing living tissues if you actually think you're growing intelligence...

And while it is understandable that people will link with their I-Robot, like I have an emotional attachment to some objects around me, particularly in a full social animal societal failure of 7 billion people who are farther away from each other than the emotional attachment they can get with their dildo, who think robots should be everywhere about, smiling it out and doing courtesy before the doors of hell, the fact remain these machines that can be programmed to jump down a cliff without a valid emotion about it; they don't care about you. A robot is not living or intelligent whatever you stuff it with a vegetal processor as big as the earth, slap a Mona Lisa picture on its pseudo head, and stuff it all with the big IQ of humanity, unless the UI decided to possess one just to make the exception, to send your mind whirling, but as a society I wouldn't trust it...

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Things are a bit more intense with me because I care more, with a reinforcement effect from writing about it, but if you read me until now you know how the many aspects of life and existence blow my mind, and this is the glory I'll brandish without shame, this is what I'll glorify as you glorify the gods you patented, this is the power I'll stand for, and no amount of publicity or glory for your robot or AI machinations will begin to scratch its achievements. Just this word "life" holding to it it saved my life, flabbergasted me in gifts of understanding one after the other, always after wanting it and working for it maybe, but it made me alive with emotions, carried me from the smallest place to the biggest one, so my work is in its honor, and it is the only one that should profit from it. I started from not much too, not even with adequate English, so the quest is far more extraordinary to me than you'll ever read about in my work, but let's say you have no idea of how hard it is too, on my humility particularly. And what permitting my constant metamorphosis is having a truly open mind, with truly good intents, frankness in front of myself, my middle line philosophy made of possibilities and probabilities. Furthermore, my sight of time must be a variable thing while my limitations remain strict, so that every logical principle finds its place, principles which are as important as fundamental visions, simply, as a package, mass critical for understanding potential; throw the base of the malleable logic of a life way while explaining the condemnations we are developing, and managing my bad feelings evidently.

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The reasons we exist is not to become high tech mammals that are neutral or can't evolve, if we make life evolution invalid we'll be eliminated by a life system of some level one way or the other. It's not a matter of competing it or getting rid of it, for psychopaths who understand only evil, it is us respecting ourselves; appreciate life or begone. And I shouldn't have to say that ever, if I say it as a generality here it is because we are on an extinction pattern, so we'll have to fight psychopaths and trolls, people who don't care or care to boast, or self-inflate from crushing others, or life, etc. Because those people use all their brains for their superiority competition, and they'll wait for god laughing while building hell bits by bits.

Extraterrestrials could debark too, but let's say it's as big a bet as meeting god before you're an absolute failure... But yes, if we're a sufficient shame to solar life it Gaia could switch its interest to an incoming competitor, but they better be both really good and us really an irreversible shameful mistake, if not the new owner is in for some deep frying or striking or drowning... You don't insult your life systems by being a traitor to your own intelligence, if you lose space potential, then your proofs are made, Gaia as we know it will have to bear the scars that proves it was a home for a bad development. And if an evolved high consciousness species finds the remaining bunkers of those who won our godly competition, then it will be an opportunity they wouldn't dare miss to show the destructive power life put in their hands, and they'll laugh at our pathetic psychopath manipulations and ridiculous war machine meant to destroy the likes of ourselves...

I wouldn't worry too much guys, we will never meet aliens because power trip people spit on exceptional minds that don't fit their system, an reward evil attitudes, out of jealousy if necessary. We'll try to act superior to them in our ego inflation competition frustration, with stupidity if need be, all they have is technology in our movies, except ET stuff that's the other extreme of moronism, completely making a parody of any emotional aspect that could happen, like it's gay alien universe out there, or gay aliens are on our side, the rest are enemies or something.

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Are we already doing bad parodies stuff?

He stir the nest...

Which often leaves you speechless...

And it's usually the time our president chose to apply a chapter letter

Why are you talking like I shouldn't be there and babble alone?

We're getting ready

Mentally...

To make a place where you'll be free to shine your glory...

I'm not so special you know.

Humility would be inappropriate for the one that gave us a direction from the beginning...

And your presence will grow all the way to seal the shell.

Yeah, and I'll prepare you one hell of a show, if you indulge in still somewhat respect my leadership in directional matters...

Yeah, and we'll help along terminologically speaking so you don't sound mentally deranged.

Mentally deranged? Did you look at yourselves?

You look like you're having schizophrenia sometimes, just mentioning...

Schizophrenia? I'm going through the ultimate psychosis madam, don't underestimate me!

You were saying about Extraterrestrials...

Ah, yes, it's a bit like scientists with life on mars, they make their microbe so big we get the impression they're talking about aliens with bogeys, because we think in extremes, and have to extremize everything to touch people, so either they are crystal emotional hypersensible that can do telekinesis and read minds, or they're downright hostile or imbeciles, with actual claws for some, as they pilot their fighters in outer space... But ok, one thing's for sure, all we'll ever need of these types is their technology, any type, after the bullshit step from what I understand, because it's something we think we'd develop given enough time in our ego inflation vision, the aliens themselves? If they're not downright evil they are ridiculous intellectually, while the laws of the universe would force the exact contrary; we'll see who stays stuck on its planet until extinction, I bet it is evil who think they're good and spit on true good, and intellectually deficient species who think they're intelligent and spit on true intelligence, both is a guarantee, particularly if their ego inflation competition systemized things for their like to forever decide the path of their species...

Me my opinion is that life is a lot more complex and extraordinary than what science currently decided, and this was just the start. However controlled the environment, there are always things we'll overlook or never doubted possible or underestimated, and it is not because we don't see it under our powerful microscope or detector or telescope that a thing doesn't exist; our eyes will always be too big to see the smallest thing, and they will always be too small to see the whole universe, maybe we should close them sometimes, look at our soul. And basic truth about life is a rare thing, so we should care for principles and even morale and not only from understanding a piece of text...

Yes, so research on life is tremendously important, physicians get on it, quantum mechanics is a part of it, even if I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm just your president! And we'll need a body, an institution, FBI or something, that's actually effective at watching things, particularly with our current psychopath fakers attitude about it. As we know, the pressure of overpopulation, competition and self-inflation can lead to devastating mistakes, like global warming, and very bad philosophy, like the fundamentals eliminated from everything, even our education, and science got some mea culpa to do as well as media people in these matters.

Didn't scientists prove that neuron didn't reproduce past a certain age? Who were these morons? You think people don't care to hear these things? And now they're churning intelligence in buckets like it should be happy with all those gods around taking care of it; be careful not to drop your final mistake in this... There are many other such examples, and I don't say that they can't make mistakes or sometimes skip a mountain of holier than thou ethics paranoia for a little experiment that's gonna kill a few animal we passed our history devouring, know what I mean, it's just to say a big part of all that stuff is far more relative than they think, not only that, their studies are all badly documented, or their methodologies are not well explained, or their terminologies needs too much disambiguation, disambiguation for Christ's sake, because media people don't seems to understand, and it is a fact that when I make a search, these studies have become arranged papers, I want the original study linked to the simple fundamental visions, so I can connect with the original mind, not babblers!

I should still mention Mr. president, that the work of science is extraordinary but it is one of patience and perseverance and humility,

Inventing anthrax and pesticides and insecticides and fungicides and super drugs and big weapons and all...

Eh, I mean, there wouldn't be the word "humanity" without their work, but they are prone to the same frustrations and failings as everybody. So how much defense should an industrial give to his vegetal life?

That depends on the budget, market, and competition, but that is not an adequate way to think with life, bigger all right, more tasteful or diverse, no problem since they are human things that don't invade wild except for the lands taken to grow them, but we should definitively limit a lot more "naturally" produced pesticides, insecticides and fungicides if we don't want people doing parkinson at the wheel all over the place, because my carrots taste petrol, and it's not as joke, worse, I swear they give me spasms, so what is this poison? I'm not the businessman type, but people can't get better carrots without having to pay double, so where is the middle line? Middle industrials where are they? Those who care for the health of people, where are they? We poison life all over the place while it may takes as much as a hundred years, even thousands, to know the effect of what we're doing, not 2-3 years.

It can a long time before a situation happens where there will be an exchange between molecules, creating a new developments, so even if scientists are under pressure to save or repair everything that's going wrong, wrongs they are in big part responsible for, they may be creating a whole new batch of worse problems that will start appearing after 50 years of adaptation and incubation as their work traverses phreatic grounds as an example, and that's the difference between doing things for life's advancement and doing things for profits, the best way of doing things becomes a minimalistic notion to be competed to elimination.

So we should stop this panic to profit from life, and start the panic to care for it, not only the business, you too Mr. science guy you limit your life pollutions.

Me?

Keep that to your laboratories until you know what you're doing, before planting syringes in the whole planet of people! Or spread bioengineered molecules and medication all over the forest! Science may not contribute to make things better or in equilibrium by throwing everywhere their genetic mutations and chemical and pharmaceuticals. Maybe by going so crazy finding and growing all kind of cures for any hurt, we'll create more in the long run, mental he too with psy science incompetence...

Yes...

The same for medics, who is having difficulties having an organ replaced? The poor; they can't even buy medication for a simple infection, they can't get a tooth repaired except with pliers, you think they'll be given a cure for cancer? Pfff! The rich, will stash it all in freezers for their family, and they'll reward you with big money legally stolen all around, you'll even prefer to give it to prisoners instead, they have far better health services than anybody under social assistance, and to prove it we spend far more money on them too. Scientists are handing everything to evil, to the most unfair of people, even criminals, those who have every advantage to remain alive in their paradise for as long as possible.

I should intervene philosophically to mention that it's not because we don't see something under the limitations of technology, or specific brain skills, that it can't exist. It is not because we are studying molecular building blocks that everything is chemicals or hormones,

Yeah, it's not because you have tons of friends you managed to convince with bullshit that you are right, it's not because you managed to raise a mountain of means that you're good have the right to buy the world, or make it as a reflection of how you succeed, minus the cheating...

Even if you limit your sight to a facet of things, like molecular information transformations, the conclusion is not necessarily that information circulation is solely made of chemicals, if it was so we'd need to be as big as Tokyo, we'd eat rock and our piss would kill whole ecosystems. The amount of information in our brains, and circulation of it through our body is far greater than the internet as a whole, it is not a visual thing and we use an infinitively small amount of it, even if it has to go through whole brain processes.

You're saying...?

As things develop with the "you", it becomes easy to slip into a dictator seat, or sound "holier than thou" while distributing moralization, but I'd be careful to make the difference between a necessary natural stance, or development of argumentation, and one that a self-inflated person would take; they are the ones who will try to show how they're better than everybody, and they'll try to direct the effect away from them by pointing at others who do it as a natural conclusion or development of understanding, which may develop along a 100 pages text...

What's this got to do with the subject?

I'm not scripted sir, I just elaborated on his previous comment...

Yeah, it's not the first time that I mention how evil can twist everything until it becomes weird or not right except in their hands too... It comes with the job your majesty, those assholes should read from the beginning so they don't see it, and if it sounds bad it's because we're in hell, and you're forced to a god situation by their incompetence,

If you want to see it like that...

Because they can't deal with these things, because evil hate morale and principles and perfection, and if it is at a point where it is generally seen as bad, then you're in hell, that's the morale, or principle.

Not bad...

Thanks, and so morale, principles, and perfection become my possession if I'm the only person that fight and defend them openly to regain their worth logically, since they're done with the stuff, If I'm to listen to Mr. smart guy, and I'll take them with me to paradise, because that's what I did all along my life, live from the leftovers of this reality, so I guess it's a habit to reap all what's been made bad, rejected; all the fundamentals that have been rejected and replaced, all the twisted principles we have to reconstruct, even love, that's all mine allright now eh? Since they are not wanted them under their true logical form, and me I just want to give them glory.

Ultimately ironically in hell, they'll have believed in all bullshit before taking Gaia and the UI seriously, so yes, it's all for the new reality with morale in the bag...

I was saying to be careful with these "lovely" chemicals we're so proud to fill school brains with, and those not fitting our standard chemistry, chemicals disinfectants, chemical paint, chemical warfare, chemical cigarettes, chemical fuel, chemical boosted meat, chemical medication etc, all that is being eaten by life now, and if you don't want to trade acid rain for soot rain with antibiotic and chemicals, for the finishing touch to your chemical world with rainbows all over the asphalt, since chemicals are everything these days, all proven bio-decapotable because bacteria eat them at the ton...

So, the problem, in case you didn't see it, or methodologically omitted to talk about it on purpose Mr. science guy, is that when I eat something, I shit too, bacteria do it too, or they die with stuff in them; they are not the final step of life and everything is a long cycle.

Why the hostility...

Bacteria are not the solution to any pollution, you can even worsen things on another facet by letting them munch on something massively, that it may transmit to others and life too. But yes, we're lucky life made such things as bacteria, and that we didn't kill them all with a rain of antibiotics...

Nothing personal, but industrial can always go look on the market to buy a jobless scientist and say things disappear green, and you think science knows all the interrelated effects of all the new molecules they invented to date and happily threw everywhere? I bet they can't even have a whole list, just think of all the medication.

All these molecules are the new game of life systems too I was saying, and it will take many thousands of years before life fully absorbs the data too. We should be far more careful with chemicals, medicine, and vaccination containing new molecules, it could be another way to create, to some extent, more terrible viruses and sicknesses, and not only by limiting those that will reproduce, but by molecular interaction of transported memory, or forcing incompatible molecules together.

Science is making a reputation with big truths that end up temporary, the same for the establishment that decide the way people should see or use things, like penicillin that was a great scientific discovery, but since it permitted more humans to do war, soldiers were shot with it first and an immediate killing fun followed to receive death shots instead, like it's better; you want to compare the processes of death necessary to life to your psychopath view of it? So they went to war while life dealt with penicillin, and that war was ended by the apparition of the influenza virus that killed more than the war itself. You could look at VIH the same way you know...

He has the right to see things that way?

Yes, you want to make war to life? You like fuck all free for all instead of love! Racism and country competition instead of cultural emancipation! You like to gather intelligence instead of developing it where it is? You like to mess up the definitions of things? You like to cause death? Life has nothing to do in these matters isn't it? No action reaction, always the fault of life if we made hell, it's the fault of the chimpanzee that gave us existence if we have HIV, or the chicken or the cow, never our sick mentalities, and we'll find a way to prove it scientifically, by defining it mathematically, or chemically, or biologically, big formulas and terminologies...

He may be right, maybe life did defend itself, maybe penicillin was causing more death than helping, maybe we gave life an easy fitting block, microbes are not the most complex life, and they are probably all critical to our life chain, and I'm not far from saying the same for viruses, since they tend to relate to our attitudes with life a lot...

Nothing to say Mr. Science guy? Looks like a wonderful discovery used the stupidest way, maybe next time we will succeed at killing all life on earth to pre-microbial state by spreading your new super antibiotic in the wind, maybe you should pass less time dreaming of your Pulitzers trophy for scientists...

It's the fault of governments and media people babbling insanities! To further develop their bullshit ideology...

I find strange is that even though I don't remember my last shooter of antibiotics, I still survive well in my environment full of microbes, I even eat millions of them! I'm not saying antibiotics are bad and to test dip people in pools full of microbes, you know how extremists are, I'm saying the attitude of seeking microbes everywhere to kill them is wrong.

I personally deal well with my microbes around in my environment too, even if that's part of my philosophy to limit genes interactions beyond that too, intelligently, for better reproduction...

You don't reproduce much these days, just mentionning...

Maybe, and while we're at it, I don't like the selection emphasis being made that the microbes we find useful are called bacteria, while the rest are bad microbes, there's germs too, a lot of words to describe these little guys, maybe we should stick to the right term which should be micro-bes, and there is nothing that's supposed to sound negative here. It's really a bigger problem than it looks, not only for the negative connotation, but we make our languages more complex for nothing while limiting our options when we invent 3-4 words that describe the exact same thing... We mess the connection to life (you won't dream of microbes, or very rarely) until science have to add to the mess of those manipulators by inventing Greek terminologies.

It's all on purpose so profiteers can exploit all life by making a mess of languages, but that's underestimating life greatly, and its systems of retribution, which is the strongest invincible drive of the universe...

Yes, and conspiracy theory aside, probably all our bad feelings are the result of feeling cheated as a pyramid of displacement effects...

The selection we are continually making, including bad attitudes with words, is reflected in our genes too, so scientists and psy can make the affirmation that humans or whatever life, are like this and like that, and this attitude of pressure and influence created a situation that destroyed skills and diversity all over the place, forever (good genetic rejected, bad genetic transformed). The ultimate extrapolation of this pressure selection from PMBBD is a degeneration of both life and the human race which will be attacked by one problem or sickness after the other in a never ending battle that we will lose unless we start battling true logical evil.

Yet, this "ideal" population profiteers worked so hard to attain is a joke besides the fantastic acceleration scientists and psy are giving to the process by playing gods with life or the mind. Ego gods don't like life, they want to use and exploit it and they can't stand to see it moving about independently, out of their control.

A lot cancer and sicknesses are caused by medicine, or scientists who play with molecules life has to eat. Beauty creams, shampoos, chemicals, medication, insecticides, pesticides, fungicides, additives in cigarettes, chemical drugs, cleaning products, vaccines, petroleum chemicals, maybe even chemicals in chips, in wine, tooth paste etc. Many molecular modifications circulating in bloodstream interact with life molecules, most are even meant as such, and the explosion of those that industrials have thrown upon the world, even implanted as genetic modification in food, all these new molecules interacting between themselves and life, all studied separately to satisfy some profitability gang, they are destabilizing life, developing new cancers and sicknesses along the way too. And the show is just starting, life effects can be a thousand years behind what we invent, depending on the level of complexity and matter intricacies and the more advanced stuff will somewhat come last and it will be the worst. Now, like us, shit happens with life, it can't deal on the spot with what we're brewing, so I suppose the bucket could spill and create such a mess that life just dies chocked or unable to deal itself an exit door. The way scientists go with pseudo constraints at playing with life is already enough to handicap life reproduction in many ways, and I'm not talking about its action reaction effects here, the pressure will have life attack inadequate mentalities, so we shouldn't be surprised if we get more sexist and racist cancers, sexist and racist viruses, and they may increase their power and complexity at it.

They say profit from life, this expression should make people feel bad like me when I do moralization, if not it's because we're in hell, and profiteers made it a nice sounding expression by manipulating another principle into it, enjoying life; they want to enslave it for profits.

Who said that?

I will go where life will go in its survival quest, and anybody that is against it will be my enemy, and if this humanity developed as an inadequate selection by protecting and encouraging wrong mentalities, then too bad if now there are now billions of inadequate people!

What do you mean?

They just had to respect life, intelligence, and people like you too.

So it was not a matter of the strongest armor that survives incoming meteors after all, the only the strong survive thingy.

It's all a matter of bullshit, PMBBD, PMBBD, PMBBD; the downfall of humanity!

Do go ahead with your brainless molecular fun, show your inadequacy, bring new morphing, performance, twists and tricks to life in your war against it, develop 100% microbial kill detergents in your insane bacteriophobia encouraged with pub, until you stroll around in spacesuits as a proof that the Gaia of another planet will embrace you!

So we just decided to do the histrionics thing it seems...

No need to do chemical warfare here though, to stop this exploitation of life and intelligence for profits, since they're destroying themselves in denial of their own source of existence anyway, ah, ah, ah, that they perverted with godly bullshit for a systematization to serve evil!

Pistronics what?

Histrionics, dramaturgy or something...

Oh, are you 2 are sure you're not doing terminology encroaching or something?

Eh, no, why?

It's more like anger therapy, it's motivational and directed...

Anger therapy strategy all you want, we're making ourselves enemies of all life in the universe while developing the strongest form of our enemies, with our spreading of killing molecules, in our absolute religious witch hunt certitudes that the life we select out is bad, bad because of our inadequate historical selection. And now the profits based humanity we selected gets sick for anything, for an ironic lesson, because the limitations we're creating, the space we're making in our war, will be for more diversity that can live outside the limitations we're creating, along with other mutations paths, and will make you forever weaker versus those "stronger" that should better survive in your ego-god ideal vision of things.

That looks bad people, so instead of flushing these visions, let's say we are at a turning point.

A selection is made one way or the other, the kind of mentality or attitude we like best or encourage the most brings about the best people that reflect it, that's in part how you select. Those limit the possibilities, or space, of others, particularly people with a contrary attitude since hate is mostly based on conflicting differences.

Starting the ego-god's ideology is a free selection pass for profiteers to the end of humanity since you create a selection wheel where the judgment of "lower class" people in globally important matter is stolen or twisted; self-inflated people make their own selection, systemize it, but the best manipulator, or the best taker or cheater is just the best to develop hell, failure, evil, and you can run on placebo fumes all you want with bullshit, make it last in entertainment europhia for a thousand years, until you twisted everything enjoyable about life to associate it to evil attitudes, and all the good stuff sounds bad like moralization, because you selected what facet of principles and words to associate to good and evil, destroying their integrity because you're sufficiently self-inflated to think you are worth the result of creation without even making the effort to understand it, worse for humanity, destroy it when you understand it because it's less profits, just pure evil, because it's always a matter of your vision of good and evil, until someday you wake up as a failure, because you didn't develop or took care of critical facets, and your god debark to give you moralist lessons, and explain the truth all the stuff you pissed on, that you have always known, that you just chose to ignore or desecrate. But nothing new, everything is gonna be allright, all those trillions of suns are life tentative, every day one inadequate civilization disappears...

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You hear yourself talking?

The conclusion is that we must test well these things we want to implement in life, choose well our artificial life modification or molecules, after much selection and, or, enclosed testing, we can risk spreading our artificial successes earth wide, under control. We should do things more slowly and carefully, I understand that you don't barge in a nuclear reactor and start throwing levers around. And it's a bit overboard when 90% of the country milk production comes from the reproduction of a single cow.

The same with corn; and then you don't want to hear moralist people! You think only selected scientific or expert opinion is worth it, but maybe you are globally deficient in down to life logic, pubs campaigns are made on the subject of finding back the old taste of milk, they filter it, add sugar and open industries to fill it with stuff, soon they'll sell energy milk. And the worst is that we produce so much from these stashes of turbo cows that they dump truckloads of it while the price keep on climbing, how crappy can this reality be?

There are thousands such examples, some terminally done, other still developing, and we won't know the result of all this craziness on life before thousands of years, and it's only 50 years that we started the molecular craziness, in another 50 years you'll start to have valuable weight of its effect on life through reproduction, new sicknesses too, and medicine better prepare to develop more competitive molecules because they'll have to upgrade their abilities to the creation of viruses and such, upgrading their difficulty level of everything, but the money to do thing right was spent killing ourselves in wars, ruining the planet doing expensive HIV research of all kind!

We're all dead.

Keep up the positivism...

Or the super antibiotic that will finally kill those evil microbes, and nobody likes to lose its job, or say he was wrong or wasted money, so we'll continue to say things are always getting better, with media people making the show with smiling happiness and holier than thou hypocrite self-inflated haters, twisting everything with the liberties they systemized for themselves, deciding intelligence by their process of total subjugation to their pressures and the fantastic means they cheated for their manipulation games all the way to having governments traitors provide them funds like they can't manage to get enough selling bullshit, cheater's business models, cheater's market, cheater's humanity, destroying its independent mind in self-righteous bullshit while bumming people for their media gignolee to profit from the selection process as a systematization of misery to make themselves a philanthropic reputation...

Everything is gonna be allright guys.

And we're all going to be a millionaire!

With inflation...

Or devaluation...

There is an explosion of troubles they hardly control, even in its present infancy, they think they're making themselves the great future or preparing themselves a nice comfy place in afterlife...

At least purists learned to get their babies clean, with the ruining medicine and home chemical and bacteriological paranoia warfare...

I have 2 basic cleaning products at home; simple soap and some alcohol for extreme situations. I take a shower every day, shit in a toilet, don't fuck around, and that's it. That's what we call hygiene, and with that I can live 50 years longer than my ancestors :)

You'll still die selected out from the mess they're making...

They're still critical useful, pharmaceuticals and industrials and media manipulators...

Yes, as another nail in the coffin of life because most are in an ego inflation competition over the mind of humanity, making the world dependent from what they provide while destroying everything good to keep a competitive advantage.

You got 45 loads of laundry in this little "wow" bottle of love, this natural "super" spray kills microbes twice as hard, use it to clean your bed! Dirt dies, and do it every day to have better orgasms while at it, most people are pigs because they clean their bed only once a week, some even wear the same dress twice before cleaning it, Eww!

This here soap repels sexism! But we do this one just for men since it attracts nude women at the platoon, look at our pub!

I still clean my whole person with the same soap, what do you make of this? No other product on my skin, and I don't feel dirty or sick in the head! And I'm difficult; I can't stand these intense chemical smells and I've got a sensible skin, so I'm lucky it's among the bottom cheapest you can produce, I can be a week without feeling dirty. I shave with that soap too, and I just don't understand the need for something else. So what does it mean to have this extraordinary vast chemical market of pub bottles?

Shampoo, I tried a hundred different ones; the more you pay, or the more it is supposed to be a wonderful shampoo growing and repairing hairs while giving orgasms and saving pandas and all, the more you itch, the more dandruffs, the more you wash, the more you lose, the thinner they become eh? Maybe not that much but I can wash my hairs with a soap bar I rub in my hands and they're fine.

This planet lost in PMBBD pub accepts almost anything as good or evolution if the pub is catchy. These things are a worst symbols than jeans of this reality's desire for profitability at all cost.

You're starting to be redundant...

He's right, we pressure selected people for profitability and now they are full of deficiencies, the same with milk, the selection encouraged quantity at the price of many positive for our health properties and now we add vitamins and calcium... But isn't milk full of calcium? And how do you know they added calcium since it's already supposed to be full of it? Our super cow is busted?

You still have to doubt any claim made by industrials and publicists, so probably they add only an insignificant amount over what's already there to apply the sticker and help profitability in their wonderful competitive environment.

The cow is busted, like it's been selected for quantity, but the process of developing good complexity is spread in a drum instead of a glass... That's why I only buy basic milk and eggs, I'm not easy enough to manipulate. Personally, I'd be critically bad with any producer of food that has such attitude, the same for all those plants and animals think big godly scientists are so proud of modifying for profits. But it is worthless, in the ways languages can be twisted, they'll end up calling their profit or scientific selection spreading "natural", surely, naturally genetically modified for productivity antibacterial purified chemically biological cows reproduced in the wild at the chain by the love beef of nature grown in democratic liberty, biodegradable too...

Non-biodegradable is more like it...

If everything goes kaput tomorrow, you'll see them scientists making more chemicals and modifications to life doing their job, with more benevolent "gods" telling us how to act with us listening with an open mouth from their media institutions.

You should avoid that word "media"...

Don't forget where you took the faces you remember! It's not for nothing politicians pay media institutions, so they carry their messages, to show who's boss and running the place, to take the credit of creativity by making things become reality, so you remember their faces instead, how they work hard, that's why they're all over the place more than superstars, and these faces you admired or served are the ones you'll go kiss in afterlife...

It's interesting what this spiritually inclined person mentioned sir.

Yes, but we sure won't find your nice features there, because you're not even worth a picture to them, you know. They're too addicted to make-up, and it goes all the way to their philosophy about the why all women should dream of rich philanthropism, and the whole lot is inadequate for you now, like it's not enough that they rejected you as inadequate all your life, tanks to media pressures deciding what's in or out, and they all failed because you stood for life not their god, and it brought you from rock bottom mental inadequacy all the way around creation in perfection while in a never ending hellish situation, and it made you great.

You can carry on...

And don't forget the universe has a spiritual aspect that's a reflection of lifetime... When you say that some cheater even found his way to your amazo cacada account to remove your picture and bio, I mean it's not like you pass your time doing selfies...

One picture for my Canada account, one for my USA account, and one for fakebook, and I debarked from that place too. I guess Canada is not worth it...

Bravo, and thanks, and people should continue showing off in competition so we can run away from all of them with all what they didn't care about in their vision of existence.

It's all a matter of the middle line...

Yeah, yeah, it's important to repeat the importance of the middle line, in a loop, for extremism indoctrinated competitive self-inflated innocents, and they can hate you all they want, they made the whole world as a reflection of despise for your type, your turn, they already put you at an extreme they don't want to see, and they shouldn't anymore unless they're exceptional, because that's the god standard they set themselves.

They go embrace their idols now, eh?

And as independent between the light and the darkness, and as a reflection of the very few friends I've had in life, I guess it's me that's gonna chose who's going to be my friend in afterlife... In fact, I imagine that as the roll of history unfolds for Gaia and humanity, I'll be in a land somewhere else taking a big vacation doing some phantasmagoric stuff, those who have been with me too, they'll be waiting, or coming, and I may go pick some myself, because I have many cool plans for life, I value myself quite at the opposite of the ironic place I have to take in hell, I even have a reality to try, as my mind go its way and my work the other way, Gaia the UI and spiritual entities, still connected, a special branch of earth life giving it back some value, by making reality shattering experiments...

Thinking big...

Humanity will never be a force in the universe for as long as people desecrate the "god" name to do or qualify the contrary of good, so go get your education system in shape; you boast that you're civilized and modern and psychological and all? Oh, and if you want someone to hate, go see Catholicism, it is the one that twisted everything to make it a natural thing to see people as gods!

Maybe that's why they want so much to keep people ignorant, or messed up in bullshit to the point that even the fundamentals of things have been twisted or rejected to end-up recuperated by our philosophical and spiritual psychological work.

Or maybe some super god sect of cheaters kept the knowledge secret, or god in the scenario that he's making a selection with religions. A religion alone, or extraterrestrials, could work too if they caused the death of a living god and then took control of his life god, but pray it's extraterrestrials, because anybody taking the god position without getting their own personal connection to the UI would commit the ultimate cheat, immediately becoming Lucifer or something, and hell would be the result, as a self-destruction process, because the life god remain always connected to the UI, and they would have made it an enemy, and there is absolute no way humanity would survive, just as a fool's game...

What could we do anyways? Hunt every god indoctrinated self-inflated asshole? That wouldn't be realistic, and people change... And me, as I try to take the logical path of understanding, what can I do? Am I not human? I like my intelligence as much as all the intelligence I manage to believe in, and I'm just there in the middle and it seems all exits are blocked and everything is borked, like they made a reality where the only way is to take a god position whatever all my understanding refuses it, I will never take their god position, even if they create the situation for no other option.

Then they they'll just reap the worst end result imaginable, you were to be the fool in their games but the exact contrary happened, they revealed as irreversible fools with you as the most sensible. So I guess you should ignore all this and continue your way, your future is great.

Why are you saying that?

I don't know, it's just to make biblical babbling...

I'll see about that later, we were saying that science is indispensable to humanity, no doubt about it, but planetary life is not its laboratory, and profitability is among the bottom argument to develop chemistry or technology, not the top important one, ironically in hell.

And you,

Me?

When you take a job, you do it with the logically related responsibilities, you're not military hierarchy; you don't stand for what's right? Then find another job, this one needs top responsible independent people. It is now become almost an easy thing to produce all kind of chemicals for the dependent population that wants to escape this reality forever more, you have created a monster by playing with life from profit pressures, all those minds destroyed by chemical addiction, they are your responsibility.

Me?

All this is part of your vast and many developing failures, we continue this way and we die.

You're exaggerating surely...

It may already be too late; we want to see competition and dependences everywhere? We'll get it in our veins and our minds like never before.

You like playing god with life?

I don't...

Then I have a big job for you, start studying anew all those molecules you invented, all the morphing and extrapolations those took through life, they are your creation, that you're supposed to control in your godly ideology, so have fun. And drugs are molecules too, in case you doubt the power of molecules, but as long as they're not spread civilization wide, I guess I shouldn't debark from my big horse. But think of what the effect of the alcohol molecule on our civilization, and how this reality need drunk people, look at all the pub campaigns encouraging it, in shows and movies too, but we're in a free country, we have the right to be forced to watch this publicity, know your liberties...

I could top this off by saying we can find many of those molecules we created under a natural form, already tested by life, and adapted to it, and it shows a far greater intelligence than your way of doing things... What makes some of them dangerous is that they are concentrated, nature rarely creates 99% pure things,

Except the 99% pure chimp, for purists...

and for good reasons, and they are in the hands of people who want to gain from them, particularly white coats dealers like pharmaceutical industry and industrial chemical makers.

And I tell you, it takes one incompetent bunch of leaders to mess thing to this extent, when you understand that all life in fact work to help us, mostly, as its most important form. With lots of time, plants are supposed to develop in big part to steer us, feed us, heal us, even change our mentality. We think their useful (to us) chemical properties are just coincidences, or some super elaborate protection strategy but in fact, plants and animals are all interdependent, and many of their chemicals are "developed" specifically to help other life, not only to do self-protection, in a sense vegetation grows as a genetic filter to produce chemicals needed by other life processes, plants and their chemicals will forever develop to meet us, even change us.

I was thinking, why would a plant exist to protect itself? It's like saying humans exist to survive or do nothing, good for "who cares" people...

We half destroyed what could be useful to us from life, for wars, entertainment and party as priorities mostly, and it will handicap our evolution and value for a long time. All wild, slave animals are almost worthless in this, animals should be protected like a whole cultural entity, a single species is that much important, but I guess it's too late for that, so I'm back to plants...

It's like people I guess, but people can be far worse than worthless because of their high consciousness responsibilities, and they use finite resources, contrary to animals...

The use we make of industrial chemicals and drugs should be surgical, not spread like rain in the name of profits, and the worst perversion, the worst failure we can manage to accomplish as a self-inflated species is to select until only the life that fits our philosophy exists.

As for molecular possibilities in the context of data circulation, if you see it as the memorized form the molecule took in its interaction, you could see molecules as different kind and size trucks or structures carrying different loads of information, some may be life transformation procedures, other may be simple memorizing. The truck itself (molecule, chemical) is information, the part science sees, but it could be carrying an actual load of information associated to its parts too, at a different level where integrity can't be broken. It can park itself in compatible place which means the load of information it carries is meant, in most case, to be circulated without affecting negatively the subject (cells, other kind of molecules etc), or, in other cases, it could contribute to the forming of a data stash for an update. In that optic, some updates won't happen because some molecules are not yet existing, so it's always a middle line matter, it's ridiculous to say we shouldn't invent new molecules, and you can drop the pot and there shouldn't arise the thing, even if life will taste it, it's a matter of spreading and constant pressure, and time and what's not, and luck too... It's just that you must always have life at the back of your mind if you are to respect your own existence, so as you are life, not god, you must see what you develop as a life creation and it will use it whatever you do with your independent consciousness, because while your effort is yours, it's always dependent from your "other" brains, and you should thank it every time you make a discovery...

Yes, and information can take many forms, an imperceptible "wave" force that gets modified as atomic parts circulate can be seen as circulating information, on another level, the amplitude of radio waves are another example of life, us, using a universal aspect to transmit heavy loads of information, and you can have all these little parts of an atom, thousands of them, multiplied by the quantity forming the whole molecule, making billions of bits of information, taking a state describing their existence, and there is nothing to tell some atoms, or parts of them, are not specifically addressed to be encoded with pure blunt data coming from any source, like your thinking. But such possibilities are very hard to explore with certainty, and you're supposed to make a fool of yourself if you're not worth the understanding; redo the research later, when you understand other things...

You two are doing the marriage thingy...

Information manipulations within the reach of life is not limited to molecules, but you understand that it may only be a fraction of the information possibilities of the molecule itself. Life can make the truck, but it doesn't make the wheels, it buys them, kind of, but everything is interrelated; every part of the truck exchanges with another part at a different level. Now, the truck analogy

Metaphor...

No, no synonyms both ways, for babbling people who like to invent useless terminologies so they sound better than others, because that's what their manipulated selection base their judgment on in big part, sounding or looking...

We were getting in a different beat...

The truck analogy is just to make you understand that the molecule can be seen as information in itself as it build up, like the UI at its beginning, and as a transport of stashed information, and again I wouldn't see that in a totalitarian fashion; there are cars, tractors, all kind of specialist machinery that probably have no value as transports of information, except for their existence.

I personally see everything as a step of information, a different form of it, a time form, and life knows how to use its own tools in its best fashion, while science imposes its tentative and inventions from their suppositions that they know how life works, which is a natural, as long as you care. So yes there are tons of molecules (drugs, chemicals), which will give positive results across the board, but we should still keep track of what we're doing.

At least we can suppose that what we force together with or energy machines mostly can't be done by something else than our hands (high consciousness interface). The problem is in what can be easily reproduced, and the best image here is a world of plants that can synthetize many chemicals and genetic transformations, so studying plants is super important.

Study plants; it's on my "To Do" list...

At the cell level of information, I would see the processor of some forms of information as the DNA, it would be the processing structure of the parked truck for these trucks that contain adequate information. And the cell may be seen as a container too, so when another kind of truck passes by, it can add to it, or load the information to carry it elsewhere, life tries to adapt to it or use it. It may happens, maybe rarely, that a passing virus or microbe got a parking place for it and it will use information that can complement or not; a virus here would be seen as a truck too, but more like a limited industry, if it meet an adequate cell, it modifies the processing of the cell.

Yes, a virus can be seen as another step of information carrier, a more active form on a mission, a Rambo, and its targets are related to its goal. If his goal is to kill or help a type of individual, then it will be made from the known properties of the ones who must die or get modified, and that can be attitudes in the scenario where a memory transfer and decoding process within the mind exists, but that would still be very slow since it would be at a planetary scale, where the planet could be seen as the processor of information, even the whole solar system, then those fitting the description will have a higher chance of getting changed, positively or negatively.

Viruses can be seen as species doing other things too, like tagging or complementing genetics for future options, or implementing protective mutations right in the reproductive system, but they are affected by molecular trucks like any other species, they can die from those, get reinforced, or mutate to become better, but they don't have that much of a brain, so you may make them indestructible or more widespread in their effects than they were initially meant to be.

You did write this together right?

His way of thinking fits right in, what he said the other day was real big and he contributes strongly, so yeah, he's more involved, which is nice to me.

It takes a long time to know the true effect of a new chemical or molecule on life, it may have an unnoticed effect spread everywhere or a rare evident one gotten by meeting a "luck" factor, a rare scenario, a "few" thousands suns in the whole universe of sun will naturally produce the best form of life, that's a rare scenario, you can replace suns with cells at a human scale. So in fact, by throwing chemicals and molecules everywhere because it seems to have a positive effect in the eyes of industrials, medics or psy, we're strictly taking a bet that everything will end up positive to life in 100 or more years, and life as a whole may get used to it right away to a million years or never; how long did it take to poison the oceans?

No idea...

Most will go through the process without much of a problem, since the parking works with the truck, you cannot play too much with the form, limiting the content or kind of information, but science trucks are still manipulations of forms, the truck fits, but it's a bit loose, or the truck is made an adapter for another truck, yet everything fits, and catastrophic results are evident so science dumps the truck as "not working", and continue trying every trucks that can fit and hope one will have a positive effect, apart from the evident connected one. So science got a headroom of guessing that they're making a great discovery by finding or building a truck or "system" that adapts well enough to give them their wanted immediate results, and life accepts it like that, if not there wouldn't be adaptation and some forms of evolution, connection, and transport for life. At the worst, the result may end up, in many years, as the death of a few minor species not absolutely critical to an ecosystem, creating a limit or lifting some for life to adapt to it, but it takes only one in a thousand truck that is totally wrong to destroy a critical species which may finally get reached by the "truck" after 1000 years, a truck forgotten in history, or the truck could have made a round trip around life to come back with a different "morphed" load of information for new results.

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Even if I'm not totally right, what I mean is that you don't ask life to adapt and use positively all the new chemical molecules we proudly invent, like the 99.99% kill stuff that poor janitors breath all day long;

There is still 0.01% microbe not dead, so double the dose, and it's probably resisting, so triple the dose, and one dropped out of your nose...

how many years before you'll see all the extent? What guarantee do you have that life will adapt to, or decompose it? Maybe it will, but it's a damn big bet! Radiations immediate visual effects may be a joke in the long run besides some chemicals and molecules pharmaceuticals, petrol and sanitization industrials and many more like them are producing, and a heavy use of those, civilization wide, may show horrific results in a far shorter time-lapse, and I'm not talking about horrors like biological weapons and failed medications. I talk about the soil too; what we spread on the ground, or bury, or rain about, is very long to reach all the layers of the ground, there is a lot of deep water that still have not been reached by the stuff, when that ground water will be dirty all over the planet, we'll be in for the worst possible cataclysmic situation that could exist, the earth will choke, literally, water is life, the transformation procedures cycle of water by life may take a hundred years, maybe even more, and the choking will probably end up as dead oceans, nothing less, think of all the species, some like the whale are old beyond imagination, some creatures in there are simply extraordinary. But I guess it's too slow a process for the emotive economy, you have to see the result with your eyes, the house must burn...

For now we'll have to wait and hope things end up good while doing damage control for a long time. Industrials and pharmaceuticals who made billions and who only react in a monetary fashion, should be forced to repair things, or do something that really proves their change of intents.

It takes one wrong society to end up producing medication for profits anyways, those people are so beside the point that even with the evidence in the face, they persist in denial and continue acting like life and humanity is theirs, for profit under a façade of helping, they think gains only, big, the planet is an open mouth waiting.

I'm not even talking about matter or objects, even if they end-up affecting life too, I'm talking about things affecting life biologically. We can do any molecules or chemicals, any, if we are careful of their interactions with life; we can have plastic as much as we want if we don't see life as eating the residues like we do presently, the same for pressure selection and medication, you don't stuff people with crazy chemical formulas if it end up pissed everywhere or affect the body in a way that may end up as a transmitted problem in babies, why do you think we interdict the alcohol molecule before birthing? There is a grand scale global principle to that, life is continually birthing and we dump stuff like it should eat it, and life gives birth through this.

Alcoholic babies...

The same when we select plants and animals from monetary pressures, or for extreme production of a property, while not caring will make it so the original chain gets broken with time, eliminating through selection, other properties adapted through thousands of years of developments, and some of these properties were developing in us. Even if it is not the biggest producer of milk, maybe the milk of another cow is better, or it may be making it better as a whole, and developing reproducible harmonic proprieties in diversity to make healthy babies may be a very hard task.

Money people don't cares about such things it's big tits and big milk, and dump the leftovers, or fake tits and fake milk, and dump love... So we select a single top hot beef that will fuck the whole earth of cows like our ideal of a god...

What do you prefer? Having your milk diversity achieved through inventing more industrial molecules add-on, increasing pollution and exploitation while losing efficiency and taking risks, or do you want your diversity achieved through cow diversity with farmers to make their selection with a supervisor help of science to keep track of diversity and not exaggerate a property?

But yes, food is better than none, and since many people are famished, you're as well inventing the continual steak and infinite milk intestine.

Not a bad thing, a critical goal we have to attain if we want to stop terminating the grand projects of all those animals we eat, the life energy wheel thingy, leave it alone a little, but the joke is that it must not be made at a cost to life itself, you'd lose the argument, like the industrial cow copy everywhere taking loads of space for its food at the cost of diversity, of wild life too.

Anyway, since everything got to fit the ways of this reality, the rich got deluxe diversity popping on their plate, while the poor run after trucks of genetic inflated rice or chickens on steroids, drink anti pathology brown water and eat some anti-malaria treated mosquitoes for desert. I'm exaggerating, but the jump can be quite spectacular, but people eat, and it's better than in old time. It's just that some people don't understand the most fundamental principle of good; fairness and having better food than in old times doesn't mean things are good.

With our manipulations of life for profits competition we have overloaded the planet making people dependent from genetic production, along that we've made of humanity a selected dependent thing with some superior skill living in cities, proud raisin wine people in all their limited diversity, made dependent of a wrong system, dependent from happiness production, and they will not be able to survive what they made of the earth or necessary change; where's the carrot wine? Where's the banana wine? Selected out, minimized, or ostracized; a disgusting and hypocrite elimination from the surface of the earth, starting with religions and their witch hunts all the way to today, to raise a fitting humanity by pressure selection. We've produced a dependent population of hyped open mouthed eaters of PMBBD, "lovers" of everything that lost all notions of fairness which will go nuts over eternal sex problem that's completely utopist to settle, because it's part of personal human interactions, because they can't make the difference between a rape that a competent justice system should settle in a satisfying and fast fashion, and a mass rape of Gaia by profiteers, and they'll run about the tits in the air to provoke, while the planet is desecrated massively, because that's exactly what the rich and their media institutions want. When there will be no more ice and furious water will ruin whole cities, when the heat will quake the earth to destroy more, when nuclear reactors and oil rigs will go underwater, etc, what will all this media manipulated population the planet can't sustain as it is do? Watch the news, complain, and run or hide when a tornado hits home?

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And you scientists? What will you do? Make observations? Recommendations? Create hype for more grants? Invent more chemicals to heal people? Bacteria to feed on your oil spills? But forget about this, we make Hollywood entertainment with such stuff; for many people global warming still is not a problem, overpopulation don't exist, resources are infinite, oceans are okay, it's all dramatization and if something goes wrong, our children will deal well with it, like we did, or just make a green revolution, or better; a nudism pot and LSD revolution for Democratic peace and freedom! Nothing to lose, and anything should be permitted for people to accept this reality one way or another, unhappiness should be illegal, so let's open the doors to insanity, confound it with genius, in the name of profits and proving that as long as people smile TV style it's a sign the system is good, and it will hide the sane revolted minds in the craziness lot. Then before the end, we'll form gangs with a babbling leader since everybody is dependent or in admiration of some godly idol, grab our super production of guns and invade the remaining forest making war for food, eating and destroying everything while nuclear reactor meltdowns happens from lack of adequate care, since it's the safest and less polluting option, experts say. Because, you know, experts, like scientists, never fail to consider all possible scenarios, as they build nuclear power plants on beaches, and they always see far in the future; wind dies a kilometer away...

Not a radioactive rant...

People gonna die...

Yes, so? A lot of land have been condemned by radiation under any form within the last 25 years, and I know some will say the spent radioactive rods can all fit in a stadium, or they're spending a billion dollars to dig radioactive caves, it's not what I'm saying. Some places will be condemned for 20 000 years before being minimally sane again, and when the reactors are old, like 50 years old, they are so irradiated they are more expensive to refurbish than build anew elsewhere.

I live near one that is 40 years old and it is a big debate here...

And dealing with the garbage is very expensive, and this will increase since a reactor got a very limited lifetime, they don't even last 100 years, more radioactive dumps will have to be dug too, and you must hope no new factor will happen, like cheap politics or industrialism, collapsing such places within their thousand years of existence and send the stuff contaminating ground water, since these places always find a way to leak... It is a safe bet to me that we'll soon have a couple extremely grave accident by 25 years since the number of power plants increases compensating better safety, without taking in consideration better terrorism, computer virus development, and dumps getting old. So I don't believe those experts defending nuclear power, even if they get out charts proving things; I say the problems we'll have with radioactivity will only increase with time, and the same for the monetary price we'll have to pay for it.

Don't worry, it won't stop us producing rich people living in luxury...

Don't cry, we'll invent fission and everything will be allright.

I say you better move with your certitude about fission, I believe in it, but I prefer to believe in things that are guaranteed to work at a large scale before it's too late...

And what will those billions of people eat when they lose hope and food become scarce? humans? It only takes a few evacuated cities a year to start a chain reaction of self-inflation revelation, degenerating everything, ruining the system, ruining the remnants of wild life which is already exhausted to extinction, except for the classics, while the rich legal criminals are safe to the end in their hidden bunkers with the means they took and their selection of women. And we're just lucky the old will die fast; after spending all their life "loving" their reality, here's the reward. And who will be responsible and pay for satisfying the gangs that will survive, which will be the rich and their family dynasties? It's the best system, the people not born will end up with the burden, the tab of their debt will have been computed, they'll be condemned to work for the same system with new cosmetic differences, but nothing new there, no? And they will have the responsibility of bringing back the democracy-capitalism business to its glory, since the selection will not change or learn from its mistake, for that they'd need carrot wine which they can only hate since that's what the hypocrite pressure formed their mind to. And what about the country competition? The business can't exist without it, who will get the priority?

Ok, we were saying...

At this point in our view, I can say that every intelligence should have one independent form or level of access to a systemized information system, all the way to the universal logical functional mathematical intelligence (UI, function is form, mathematics is language). And breaking those will automatically put you in an enemy position with whatever intelligence, it's exactly like someone entering your head to control you, it means you strictly have no minimal understanding and respect for creation, so all those self-inflated people who think they are saints that know and understand everything and have all rights to the point of indoctrinating humanity with their institutions are better watch out... The process is another matter, what goes on between intelligences can be intercepted depending on many factors; if you speak loud enough, don't be surprised if your enemy hears you.

So it's a matter of setting basic logical rules and having a view of good and evil, which includes a view about manipulation interplays, since that's the biggest good and evil factor between intelligences. Even the UI has laws to prevent itself cheating the other intelligences it created, and the simplest one is independence, once an intelligence guaranteed failure to a life development, then the UI may or not intervene, and it can take the form of a lost in advance hope game, depending on the form of the failure.

There's cheating too, supposing my view of the autocorrect matrix of the universe is somewhat right, then you could have an intelligence, like the global intelligence, having a veto on it, without total control, because it's a communication medium, like air, not an extension of intelligence, like the life god, which is a mouth, or tool of the UI, its channel of influence, which is supposed to be designed around a specific living entity or god's, and a moron using it to manipulate humanity would probably guarantee its extinction, but that shouldn't happen, unless you're worth it, like if you created the situation for humanity to fail to get it, that's bigger than a genocide, so you may be worth a reflection of your godly pretention...

Bigger than genocide, now we're talking...
I could compare life systems to any form of communication that lead to changes in reality, or the level of matter upward to it, and anything available can be used, so the possibilities are many, and the last place I would close the door to such systems is within planets so science should be more open with its affirmations about how a planet's insides works. And concerning information, there's no planetary processes that's beyond such possibilities so we shouldn't ignore them just because we can...

The scientific elite is developing as a shame the more I think about all what can work differently than what they force people to as absolute facts; the elite specifically should shut up, because they're self-brainwashed from their effort of endorsing a close minded vision and their pointed difficult education, and they stuff it in admiring newcomers.

Relax.

There are all kind of communication transformation systems, everything is communication, even the whole planet, which includes its heart, the whole planet is probably a continual processes of information filtering and forwarding, even stashing, that's a possibility, whatever it is far-fetched. Do you think we could detect such a thing as a "small" "layer" (any form) between cores or core and mantle? Or slow moving bubbles floating within magma? Or a smaller core? Or a skimming process of cumulating or transmitting information? I don't think so, and I say it's not a 100% certitude that there is nothing else than magma and molten iron cores there. Any one of those 3 simple things are enough to have a processing system of information form, even the transformation of surface matter as lava could work if there are currents carrying and decomposing matter, even rain could carry information forms all the way to the bottom of oceans.

Information can take any form and be anywhere, what if a dime could contain 1 terabytes of information? Impossible? I think the contrary, but this information level may be very hard to use, when you think that with all the tech we have, we can't even read or understand our molecular memory while our brain can unconsciously.

Even if you come to be able to do it, you would not recognize it as information, a force can be seen as information circulation too, don't forget that one, like magnets pushing against each other, this force is something and something can be used to transfer information. And that applies to planets too, earth life systems may "read", or be influenced by, sun processes, something their existence depends on, but that may be very limited, like a sense, a sense that is information circulation.

My personal view makes it part of a whole, everything and everybody communicate between each other within limitations, including direction.

All matter forms and levels are available to life to become information transmitters, from building blocks to our mind, everything can be used as steps and functions to permit life to "raise" information as reality through species, and ultimately us. All kind of levels or different places, from dreams in your mind to tectonic plates moving, passing by greenery leaving chemicals in the wind to bacteria working the soil, information is stepped-up, time takes form, some bits and forms taking thousand years to reach usefulness. Some life may end up in a cul de sac and waiting, other pass through bottle necks of different forms, and a lot is prepared in advance and waiting for the adequate conjecture of events to happen; a step.

Life systems are under universal form limitations, forcing them to develop the best matter transformation process which is a species, which is the exit of life systems to try changing matter on the detail of an information gathering and processing system. And everything is made of interrelated steps, like cells at the bottom of oceans, that we see as the creation of life, but which may be just little "bubbles" spreading on the floor of oceans to work along another aspect on lands as spores "Pepsi Earth life" bubbles insufflating the planet with possibilities for more advanced life which will raise to become human or something else terrorizing.

The classic view of life is not big enough.

Maybe it's because we really like it...

I find our current view deceptively limited and incomplete, even wrong, even at the most fundamental step as I don't believe life appeared at the bottom of oceans as a fact. Choosing between the ocean and land, I believe it started on land as something different than a cell. Next, once at the ocean step, it is absolutely not all earth "cell" life that sprang from a single thing; you may say it is the first one of many that got out from the water, that's very different. And that can apply to whole chains, meaning that the chain is not final, the whole chain is just the first chain, and such a chain can appear on lands too, even in worst environments than that.

There is nothing that exist for nothing in the universe, it means that, apart from everything having a use, that any weird association or possibility that can be made out of any seemingly useless phenomenon, if it can fit with within an interrelated schema of facts, must be studied and preserved, and it mean that you must always "see" to prove something, and all that applies to center earth; we know practically nothing of the inside of the earth, so we shouldn't make final conclusion about what's going on, even in melted iron.

If I watched the stars with my girlfriend in 1800, I'd tell her something like "there's a billion secrets hidden in this sky", and today I'd say the same thing because I know the greatest secrets are hidden in the most unlikely and hostile of places because that's the way it should be.

It's like you.

It's like me, you wouldn't believe from how low I started, my red book I call it, it is where I found how much I had a problem with everything, and how far or low I was toward my ideal, a classic psy would have probably stuffed me with medication, because their education and timer would have proven me mentally sick, no potential in there... In the past I would have been lobotomized probably, but from the greatest revolt I found the greatest potential, and from the greatest darkness I found the greatest light, until I discovered the other way around. And apart from blatant bad intents, or evil, or major force, anybody that seeks to destroy the mind of others from the incompetent revolt they're expressing understands nothing to life, or gods or the universe, we should patent things to permit those people to live normally without others to ridicule them, particularly the elite.

Now, if matter can be seen as information circulation and transformation levels, and planets as processors of some level or specificities of this information, then all kind of new possibilities become open. There could be starting, final, and continual memories doing things, driven by different matter decomposition processes. Concerning life planets, you better have an open mind to the most crazy possibilities, like planets breathing water as cycles, or even more far-fetched, holding water as life steps develop. So you could see water as the blood of Gaia, a bad analogy, but all life is dependent from water, all life touches water, transform it, and the earth may absorb surface life value of information, and it could be done through water circulations, rain, lakes, rivers, oceans. So apart from being taken away by all those aliens to fuel their trips, our water could be used to circulate information, maybe even taking the form of a breathing effect lasting thousands of years, atmospheric all the way to deep crust, a life system that contributes to form a functional living planet. Then there is lava circulation too, which is as much bubbling on the ocean floor as it is spewing out on land surface, and it transforms into different amalgams of matter the more it moves toward center earth. It could be seen as a filtering process, but I doubt the ultimate form of it to be iron.

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Impervious to meteor strikes is nice as a final form though...

Information circulation through life decomposition steps could work on another aspect, decomposition of life, eating it too, all that could be seen as an information circulation system, a life system. Ultimately, some aspect could flow with magma currents to end-up kind of crystallized by going through different filters, until it reaches another communication step with center earth and the magnetic field, for a planetary life system transformed as a solar communication system. I'm just throwing ideas on the table, and you only need one of those to mess your whole view of existence,

Me I say it's probably all of this and more, just to be at the opposite of the blindest of views, so blinded by the light of god you missed the whole invisible world that was all around and gave you existence...

Isn't it strange that the kinds of planet where life can attain interstellar high consciousness, the thing I possess that you don't, are the most rare, exceptional and difficult to form and to spot? Why are we not living in a universe where all planets are earthlike and where everything is easy and life live infinitively? It wouldn't work? For sure. I say planets capable of developing interstellar high consciousness, not just superiority-inferiority competition intelligence, need an exceptionally complex solar system to succeed, what would we do with just a little petrol or uranium or water? Or without a moon or with a very thick ozone layer? Paradise planets like the earth are probably far rarer than what science think with their spectrometers thingy, probably only a few ones in a galaxy, like a thousand, or there may appear more as time advances. I don't think there are many.

Scientists will probably prove they spotted an alien passing in front of a sun soon, to prove their mathematical formulas that put blue planets and aliens everywhere, or to raise our spirit with hope or lower it with paranoia, whatever...

I'd be very skeptical, and blue planets are not a synonym of high consciousness, but a hopeless Gaia should definitively appreciate our presence. If you remember the cone of possibilities for it, to fit the perfection of everything you need many options, and exceptions are very precious, so here there may exist only a few systems with a perfect blue planets, and maybe the earth is one of these, even if to people who don't understand perfection will see it full of flaws... In fact the perfect environment that will produce the greatest life may as well be what we have as a solar system, but it still doesn't mean things will go well for life in these places, but the potential is the greatest. Then there is the fact that I believe only the best survive, so whatever a million civilizations raise to colonize another planet, only a thousand may end-up surviving the test of time and association. I wouldn't dream too much of being in the lot the way we're going, we're on a path of failure from our dependences and condemnations, but we could still be near, one a million high consciousness species like us will develop space technology and fail just on the verge, by their own condemnations, you think we are the one in a thousand that is good enough to be there for another universal step?

Maybe we should look at our priorities, where we spend our energy, what are the attitudes better served, to whom we give everything while some of the best pass their whole life crushed by evil that got all the advantages in hell, look at how we see good and evil, love, our conflicting mind, our view of fairness, how life is well in our home, how we're impatient for clones and direct in vitro selection, how we subjugate the mind, etc, etc, etc.

So while I believe many high consciousness species rise and die, I say both earthlike advanced life capable planets and alien civilizations are presently far rarer than we are suggested.

Still, you only need one that is a few thousand years more advanced than us to have a satellite hidden here, whatever they are a few hundred light years away... In the widespread belief that aliens travel everywhere about that is (in movies...). And the satellite would not be a spying and takeover satellite, but just one to see if a million times more costly trip is worth it, because such planets could be precious to them for many fantastic reasons, kicking asses or stealing crap resources like gold among the last, the most important could easily be to have a possibility for new friends, why, you think everything is a matter of competition for profiting? Let's see what will be important to you in a million years...

Having friends is not only important, it may be a factor in feeling better as a civilization for past actions, like if we are incompetent with life in our home planet to the point that we're imposing mass extinction or zooification to it, the loss may eventually come to pain us more than anything else, particularly if Gaia start giving us troubles, and that may apply to any unfair situation we created with any species, including us, particularly if we find god along the way...

Since there are always exceptions, yes there could be lucky survivors of a lucky appearance of an ideal planet, but witnessing the difficulty of existence to the space travel point, I wouldn't doubt that 99% of all long living space traveling species are attached to very strong principles of good and evil. There are many other possibilities though, but early alien contact probably means intervention, always a matter of good and evil, which can make things complicated. I don't doubt that any worthy species could arrange things as to "terra-form" planets, we'll surely do that someday, maybe we'll even end-up in a situation where we'll want to help a high consciousness potential life development, I don't think we'll like watching everybody die around, because they made the same kind of mistakes as us, or because their planet is not as resourceful. As you watch their life and civilization unfold on your TV, as you develop strong attachment to them, watching their glorious developments, understanding their mistakes, and watching them get extinct because you are not supposed to intervene? If they failed, it's because they were not good enough? I say there are justification to intervene if it's done the right way, not only that, but these justifications may come to make you regret not intervening.

Always nice to hear your opinion sir.

My opinion? The most extreme vision of this is the creator species we'll talk more about in Lift-Off.

The other thing not to forget is that life may be far more difficult to raise from scratch that we're led to believe from the state of current genetic engineering, I'm talking advanced life from scratch, it's possible that to get life thriving we'll have to squarely modify planets to bear life, pepper some with a satellite loaded with microbes, then let it in the hands of its developing life systems for a million years, then come back to help good developments or take over bad ones, depending on potential, you could say that in the result of low potential we could take over, but if there is high potential, then we may be better make ourselves absent. What you must understand is that if we're at a point of doing these things, we'll probably be secure, which is the priority for us.

Beyond that there is nothing to stop us becoming a creator species...

All that looks like science fiction.

But it's not out of the equation.

So, even supposing there are more aliens than I think, the fact remain that a top species that fails to control itself will most likely eliminate the possibility for life to evolve on that planet and attain interstellar travel, whatever it thinks itself highly intelligent, and whatever they are or not, it's still a matter of planetary system potential. So there may be quite a few species like us stuck on their system, and it's of no use communicating with them as they are doomed along with their planet, unless we want to spend our energy hugging ourselves in misery. Anyway, it's no responsibility of a species that went through home care and star travel to help self-inflated racist species, they would have the experience to know it's a waste of time, money, and resources, to force educate, or bring gifts, to party species, while it remove independence and creates resentment, so prove yourself if you want to talk to anything but the likes of you, even if that's only one aspect of the mess such a situation could produce.

We could send a satellite to, like, watch them perish?

Everything is perishable...

We could send them money or a bag of rice...

The other thing is; we should hide ourselves, at least for as long as we're socially incompetent as a species, and it's not a matter of forcing or enduring or doing social party, it's a matter of respect for life in our philosophy; the goal is not to show off how self-inflated we are to the whole universe, unless you're trying to attract troubles.

You're surely paranoid a little...

You never know, and if we find a earthlike planet we should immediately send a self-destruct observation satellite to see if life is developing high consciousness potential by itself, you wouldn't want to steal planets from others, that would be a lot worse than simple homebrewed genocide... Our interventions must be invisible and highly limited to either create the luck for a top species to appear if the genetic is there, or prevent cataclysmic bad lucks for which they are not responsible for, but to intervene like that you'll still need to fill form 234, a very long form proving you're good enough... If they take a self-destruction path through their systematization, they should get out of it by themselves without any form of help, like us, so we are not forced; as we speak many great planetary civilization are dying. If they spread and fight to keep a good attitude whatever their problems then we may help, and it applies to us; even if some type of people end our hopes, we must still try to arrange things, it's not only about the planet, some species in the universe will have a crap planet, but they may behave with it far better than the ones with a planet that got it all, and they'll get help while we won't...

We are still not forced, so if they fail we can take the planet, we can even stash a few ones in a science freezer in case we eventually have many planets and no friends...

For now we are failing in all that is needed to build an interstellar vessel, and I know that for most people such things are so far away they are not worth a thought,

Like 2012? Nobody cared 2 years ago, and now it's a freaking Hollywoodian paranoia...

Nothing would exist if nobody took the time to think ahead of time, or if nobody developed a different opinion, or reformulated what's possible or good and evil; we wouldn't exist presently without people making these explorations.

What do your brain think is possible? Stand still, I'll give you a job, POP! you're a cell now, quite limited eh? Where's your brain? It doesn't exist! Who cares? Now, you will go convince other cells to start working harder immediately because you strongly believe that making a human is a possibility; possible or impossible? But first let's do the dinosaur, because, you know, science could say such creatures can't exist... It's not much better than explaining to a tree how to grow a human civilization, and then go tell other trees to do it, but sometime that's how people makes one feel, like he's talking to trees... Yet here we are, and it is evident that we'll go to mars, as for what is not evident, that may be fantastically vast in possibilities, and we don't know most possibilities because they are not evident, and many possibilities are passing windows.

One thing's for sure, if we're ever to build such a thing as an interstellar vessel, the human civilization will be very different; today's ways will be very strange, or retarded, to future people, probably the darkest moment in our history. And if you think you'd send your greatest achievement, your first interstellar vessel, to meet a civilization you know nothing of how it will behave with its nukes, you're totally out of your mind, outside, the same for people who send messages and stuff in space supposing everybody is good and want harmony, that's profoundly stupid, and deficiently dangerous to a species like us overwhelmed in their ego inflation competition; open your eyes to the reality you live in before acting like you're saintly gods that everybody can only "love".

There may be quite a few developments that could lead to successful space travel, not everybody will experience life like us, handicapping their development with things like Catholicism, so understanding is a limited resource and the extent or form of it will be different from one species to the next. It means nobody is forced to like us, and the more a species will consistently take the best path through its history, higher is the risk that they reject any dealing with species who lack judgment to the point of practically causing life extinctions; maybe we won't reap war, but we may end-up as bums or self-accepted slaves.

The limit of that is philosophy; you don't even need spirituality, we set it here to prevent governmental institutions from twisting everything to make another religion and help itself, in part, but you just need simple logic, attitudes, the cold hard statistics of your needs to be happy, your effect on different aspects of life, evil is just a general term to weight these things versus an ideal, good things-bad things, best-worse, fairness-unfairness, etc, good and evil is not spirituality. You can probably survive as generally evil if you are not troublesome, but as soon as you'll become a risk you'll be eliminated, because at that point you can bet everybody will know how evil grows and spread to become a condemnation; by using feelings to get pardon, acceptance, tolerance, growing little by little, getting more means and suddenly you're face to face with a monster that you can't remove because it has contorted your principles, or you are involved emotionally with it, if it's not playing in your pants... And it's no better for those who had a part of it, it's like ex-smokers, they can be very intolerant, and they know how to piss you off, so they may wait for any justification to show to what extent they can go. All that to say that space is no different than earth, we make war to other countries for this or that reason, we make reserves for this or that reason, we even make genocides for this or that reason, the same in space, the difference is that the reasons are more profound and evolved because we went through a lot of experiences, and weakness is not an opportunity for manipulation, profits, enslavement, subjugation, appropriation, etc, etc.

All that will be as far away in time as we are incompetent dealing with truths, difference, good or evil, etc, so don't underestimate the capacity of evil to keep you occupied until the end...

The other thing not to forget is that the truth of history exists one way or the other. So the history of how we behaved among ourselves and with life and with resources and our homeworld, in the course of a million years, this will give us a reputation we'll never get rid of, which is connected to how we deal with truth too, evidently, so those "powerful" people, who hid and travestied our history so we can only admire them for their philanthropy, those people may be condemning humanity to a look very bad forever. And this reputation malus involves the whole population that is incapable of reacting appropriately to events, and everything is an event.

It seems that whatever we're still far from going to another star, or 2012, like it's an argument not to care, whatever we're ready to start developing our system for such an endeavor, we should have as a priority to immediately change the whole way we deal with life altogether, before we start doing serious space projects, and not only we're 1000 years late in space developments from the limitation some institutions imposed to people, including religions and psy science and media institutions, but we can't even start seriously because we made an inappropriate reality and we morphed humanity and life to fit it.

I was saying that in the best of scenarios of our reality, we may detect some, or even communicate with some basic civilization like us, as there may be a few around, but the rare evolved ones that made themselves comfortable in space in peace and harmony may not show themselves, because they would follow a philosophy that limit intervention.

Or they don't need or want; it's not worth the investment, just the trouble of arming themselves to the teeth coming here, and develop the contorted mind set appropriate to deal with our bullshit should be enough...They'd prefer to spend the means to colonize elsewhere from scratch.

Dealing correctly with an advanced life development would mean sending a super advanced satellite with infrared and sound refraction options long before contact, a movie with Jesus and the Pharaoh and Napoleon and Bin laden and Hitler doing their things, that way they'd get a better idea of the truth of us than ourselves, to reject the words of liars and their population that will be in denial of the evidence of who they admired, worked for, and gave everything to.

I experienced this a few times, evil rejects blatant evidence of their evil, for as long as they're not in prison or lose their job, even then some will persist for as long as they got means, be it with their mouth or relations or billions, and it will go all the way to ruining the whole planet, for nothing else than persisting in their lies. So you can bet they protect the fragile brains of their selection from the truth, you know, to prevent them from getting all revolted and declare war to their best system of the universe...

And I bet they already see themselves as "creator species" sir, or ready to meet them, while they better forget about them; if they existed they'd follow pure moral laws and life principles, and people presently hate the attitude, they hate moral and principles, even perfection, who can hate perfection? Even logic is getting perverted too, who can hate logic? Even judgment, who hates judgment? So forget about being "straight" enough to meet them and don't inflate yourself that you'll become one; you are at the opposite and it's all over your home! They hate hell, they enjoy living in a paradise, and they're naturally happy for it, they smile and have fun not as a placebo cure to mental discomfort or pain.

Yes, we may meet them and keep contact under some precise, yes, heavy moral conditions. Such a creator species could be our gods of antiquity if you wanted, but they wouldn't impose something like Christianity. In this scenario you must see them totally differently than you ever did through the pile of PMBBD, particularly religions, and anything ghostly is an illusion or manipulation, so they are palpable, unless they sent a communication satellite or device, in which case it can't be trusted, anything that's alien must be taken very carefully as a probable trap in priority, and anybody using such stuff to manipulate humanity is completely insane. Creator species don't do that btw, evil do that, they would have taken a responsibility of helping life develop, or increasing its luck, so lightning doesn't kill a whole branch of evolution, or they would accelerate a chosen species through a too little time window, help the work of life, and once their main work is done, they may help indirectly to some extent. Now, accelerating the work of life and helping doesn't mean removing the tests of life, so they wouldn't discourage self-inflation attitudes since it's a logical step (ego-god's ideology (not religions)). The thing to understand is that the later you gain a bad trait, the harder it is to get rid of, so you are better experiencing evil in infancy within a system that's easier to change, than to experience it in late adulthood within a system that's harder to change, but I guess the worst is to develop it all along while making a system to defend it until it is an invincible systematization.

So, if you don't want to end-up spending fantastic means while sacrificing tons of life beyond anything we experienced on earth to end-up in space as evil, then you're better stop it in the egg; bad intelligence, and let's say people who develop their intelligence badly are not a rarity these days...

As a goal at it, to the point of using psychology as a tool; they can do what they want they have a mental sickness, so society is handing them everything on a platter, and they piss me off, laugh at my face, destroy my work, whatever...

Evidently, the universe itself is meant to do this job of making bad life developments fail, it's just that the perfection of everything dictates that there is always a battle of good and evil going on at all levels, so there is always a percentage of troublesome life that will make you emotive. That's how you come to know who is the best; you think you'll grow strong of mind and body if nothing difficult happens? The same for the strength of your feelings; you think you'll last if you don't live strong emotions, if you don't get pissed-off? Emotional intelligence is the path we must take, and the other aspect of this is that fairness is far more important than I'll ever expose in my writings, retribution, revenge, justice, they lead to some the strongest emotions, so while tolerance, acceptance and peace have their use, in the ideal scenario you got to fight or repair sources of bad feelings arising from injustice, proportional to the precision of the source, so you got to think of displacements effects, and develop high empathy; you're not much if you don't fight against unfairness, even if that's just at a personal level, and revenge as a mean to fight injustice is just that; a will to readjust an unfair situation, proportional to the bad feeling involved. Evidently, this reality is straight in the opposite direction of this, max injustice, max displacement, no way to fight. Even the system to soothe retribution about direct and evident personal injustice is absurdly incompetent, I'd say it succeed at bringing justice in 25% of cases, which is a loud fail, for the complexity of the whole of it, the fantastic cost of it, ridiculous.

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Accelerating, not removing, the tests of life, equilibrating very bad luck can be nice too; life systems can be rough when random factors are attributed. Then there is pure experimentation that can be acceptable if it follows the laws of life and the universe. We can spread with your knowledge base if we don't steal planets, evidently, but knowledge base is important here, it means you are continuing the work of your species and the life associated to it, if you just drop people without their knowledge base, then they would be under the same laws as experimentation. Finally, we can terraform and build life bearing planets too, always emphasized on accelerating life if there is potential, or for ourselves or experimentation if the system is handicapped. There are a few other things not to forget about this; if it is the system you're born in, then you're entitled to try anything to survive, specifically. There is time too; while potential for life may be quite spread, the fact remain that waiting after microbes to raise a civilization doesn't much qualify as a good use for patience, if you are to ever have friends...And dinosaurs are too problematic for space travel, unless you make a selection to end-up with crocrodilemen, but even that would be inappropriate, they may even come to hate you for letting them become civilized...

That's a bit different than just taking and competing...

I would say we can take any place where life like us is not developing, it means things walking and grabbing and making noises which may develop humanlike abilities. Then there is distance; if we're not lucky on that aspect we may end-up stuck with only one planet with life bearing potential within a thousand light years radius of our sun, what will we do if there are "people" there? We will have to associate and be exemplary in everything you do, accept to live in an enclave, 100Km2 of nice terrain is the very minimum, but 1000km2 is more appropriate. We'll have to be nice and diplomatic, not fuck with them, and keep all our culture to ourselves to the maximum of your abilities. We can get a normal job in their system, but not encourage ours as better. They must not become competitors, and the help we provide must take the form of accelerated technology in function of the state of their resources, without touching the genetic or mental aspect. They must feel like they are in charge of their own destiny. The goal is to get them to systemize their system for space travel, and the pay for our help will be the possibility to go farther, try another life bearing planet around another star. This is an ideal, evidently, thing are more complex in reality, and shit always happen, but if we are competent we'll not only be able to continue but we'll have done the right thing to have a type of friendship that is worth a thousand suns, to the point that we may want to do everything together, even colonize new planets; if we can live in harmony as many languages and races, while keeping differences protected, then we have everything to strongly associate with other developing species, not only that, but it's a prerequisite for success in the universe.

Now we know what to do.

And I put a big point here, this is the fundamental concept on how we should develop cultural differences on earth, differently, but while my view of multiculturalism may be different, there is no superior race here, and remember this, because I'll put it back in the face of anybody that tell me I'm racist or a Hitler if I show anger along authority, you know how evil is, he'll try to twist and confound everything to make other than himself evil, without even taking the time to read, so if you want to have the final vision of this, you'll have to read Life Reality, before calling me Hitler... And read my work beside their work before comparing me to any historical figure, I'm unique. And I know today's people got a tendency to forget immediately so they can go back to their old preconception, or the manipulative pressures of their favorite media manipulator, but you'll read everything before accusing me of anything, and I talk as a person, a person, not an institution writing stuff. All that is just how I see things, opinions, all my work is my intelligence developing its opinion on existence, and I have the right to do it, and not repeat every phrase for willful attention deficit disorder people.

That being said...

One of the result of accelerating life is to reveal potential friends, always, see if their intelligence can go beyond self-inflation, manipulations, profiting, and competition, unable to go beyond the step of self-survival, even if it's successful on its planet. Like confounding of the pleasure system into the reward system for control, the development of an everything competition philosophy for possession, intelligence that persistently create injustice even if it has everything to do the exact contrary. If they have abilities with good and evil, to understand the value of truth, fairness, how they can change, and not the least; what is their best reproduction ways. Which is of particular importance because of all what it involves, so if you enjoy "singing", in your liberty rights, "I like monsters, vampires and aliens in my bed to fuck hard in love" (you make these things objects of sexual desire and you emphasize that it is love), if that's what you sing to masses, or what masses dances on or spend money for, then don't be surprise if aliens look at you weirdly.

Assuming they don't understand fun...

Concerning the history of our species, I say no affirmation can be made as to say if we've been accelerated or not, and it's perfect like that unless we've been cheated, and it should remain that way until we're well installed in space, then maybe things could get proven. Neither do I have a problem with the possibility that gods did things, to the point of planting us here and making us a story, for whatever reasons; I don't question gods justifications too much, as a living at least... Intervening like that to accelerate us you understand that no god or extraterrestrial should exploit us, but trade could take place once we've proven adequate and spacefaring.

You're into it sir.

There are always exceptions, like the incompetence of evil with priorities, which could lead a species to become dependent, with a subjugated population working to fulfill the needs of a class of people, it would be like an intervention made with the goal of condemning a population to evil, a specifically grown population having the weaknesses they need as an emphasis, it would be raised like nature but its weaknesses would guarantee that they end-up on their knees. Raised like they belong to the planet and ignorant or disinformed of the truth of their existence so that they stay peaceful, while unconsciously taking the attitude to end-up on their knees, with their ass in the air preferably... Evil aliens, which are supposed to be far rarer for a visit than good aliens, could do it too, but it's very low a possibility, and hypocrite trade could be systemized as a pyramidal exploitation of life energy for the exchange of a missing aspect of life reserved to the people on top of the pyramids, or to satisfy some contortion of their psyche, or to get a tech that would keep them on top. It would be paid in money, and with it the slavers buy what they want.

Almost sounds like our present view of gods, particularly when looking at all those glorious Democratic gods of antiquity born in Greece, since it seems that their absolute greatest priority is to bow humanity on its knees before superiors forever. The same for all religions; they are meant to pacify people and they'll profit from anything for it; are they doing scientific research to go in space? To help life? No they don't, for profits they'll do, they profit from science all they can, form any good principles invented too. Space and life? Not a word about it, doesn't exist...Think how we would be retarded if we let them totally decide our future, we'd be waiting for gods to come here to save us which is the ultimate goal of evil, take it all while its workers rely on afterlife revenge or wait for god to debark. Today they still want absolute kneeling obedience, and they're associated to the most powerful people, they got the means to be armed to end things fast if we try to stop them. You think governments don't defend religions? Pfff! They'll push you to go religious when the system they defend and profit from will reveal how it condemned humanity to rot on earth until the end. Go ahead, if you as a country is really serious about dismantling them, you'll see all the governments of the world finally associate to destroy you, they'll destroy the whole world to get you.

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I think the difficulty to become competent enough to spread would make of the succeeding philosophy a very precious thing, the most valuable mind possession of a species, particularly if they witness no other species succeeding in their travels. Since you can bet that life will be at the heart of any successful species, and any evil or retribution philosophy will involve life and regrets, it is highly probable that finding ways help life and give it an easier time should become important. It's not a necessity, you succeeded, but giving a flower to life as a mark of appreciation and respect may have many worthy aspects, caring for life and having it as an entourage could even become a reason for existence. Again it's not necessary, or it may be a temporary step many will go through for the rewarding experience, both in mind and entourage, since there are many difficult goals to accomplish in space, but I don't doubt that some would take the responsibility to develop a philosophy to better help life thrive, perfect it too, always within parameters dictated by a philosophical formulae for a direction.

We may eventually meet something like a creator species, they could even have helped life here, but not too much so they can still learn the lessons of life and not come back at them full guns blazing or try to manipulate and control, they wouldn't want permanent involvement with a fearful, controlling, paranoid, racist species with a finger on the trigger, so to have a chance to meet them we must escape "dust to dust" first. The same could apply to gods, and they would not steer us in any other reality than the one we're supposed to go through naturally.

Then there is beauty, we're lucky to have it intrinsic you know, I wouldn't doubt crocrodilemen to exist somewhere out there, and they wouldn't french kiss a lot... We may think we've gone through hard times and bath in our pride but I think we will be quite surprised if we meet a creator species; our hardship could be a joke besides what they've been through. This initial species would have gone through it all without help; the price paid and the understanding necessary could be fantastic.

And whatever your jealousy you wouldn't want to go through their experience, and more than that, you wouldn't even want to be a creator species, you wouldn't like the responsibility and attitude, so don't do the baby.

Now, this creator species is just a way of being extraterrestrials, so relax, it's just that they may exist, and it changes nothing to the ways of life, love and anything that make sense. You can see it as part of the many things I can believe in, they are not superior, they are either lucky, or the best from previous universal processes, they may need friends, they try to be just, helpful, good, while not imposing themselves.

Something like that.

So while it is possible we've been helped, the reality is that had we had taken an ideal path we could have not only reached solar systematization as we speak, but we'd still be able to live far longer on earth without needing space resources input, so why should we need help if we waste it all? So the probability that there is nothing to Catholicism or royalty except profiteers and manipulators, or no ET intervention if you prefer, is still the highest one whatever the possibilities we explore.

If we succeed solar systematization we can live millions of years on our planet if we care for it and do things well, that much, while the kind of time slab necessary to reach other stars is a lot less. Even if we reduce that for the skeptical, to 100000 years, at that point the sun will have travelled and some systems will be closer, other farther, so we have to visualize the solar system as a vessel, and it's not only a matter of going ahead, but other suns are in a cone behind us too, and it mean we can like take a big rock or something with a nuclear heart, and just swing it behind us in an intercept course with a sun in the cone behind us. The initial steps of space travel can take weird forms, and the other thing is that the sooner we are space competent the sooner we'll be able to study rare incoming bodies which may be such tentative, because you know, the process may require calculating enough headroom that an intelligent species will be there to intercept out of curiosity, so think of the cost of wasting time or warring among ourselves, while the most extraordinary possibilities could be passing right in front of our eyes, because what I say could have been deducted long ago, we're just fantastically retarded, and mainly because of our vision of gods.

Nuke heated meteor vessel thingy, can't go wrong...

The other aspect is successfully spreading, and any option must be explored, maybe the only way to reach other stars is with a planet that is made to bear life while being independent from the sun, people being heated from exploiting internal heat, while steering would be achieved with some kind of mass relation with moons, or "charging" of something, I don't know, science will eventually explore such possibilities.

For now, that's kind of a big preoccupation besides your down to earth entertainment of flying high PMBBD hype. Or too big an imagination and too scandalous for people who would prefer to be sent back to fire and caverns praying god than make experiments with planets, or a waste of time thinking about such possibilities, thousands of years away, think about it, it doesn't concern our life time, so we can forget about it and party and prepare for war until at least 5010... But if there's a lesson profiteers will have taught humanity, it is to never ignore passing opportunities, not that they're competent at that for anything else than systemic self-inflation, while the greatest possibilities and opportunities are passing by or being rejected...

I bet we'll have I-Robots in 5010

Yes, if your positive outlook survives...

We have to learn lot more about life first, appreciate it better, develop better priorities, learn true patience, find intellectual stability, make bases on moons and planets, terra-form a second planet for advanced life here, and many more things. Who knows, maybe we'll have to stay stuck in a cramped vessel for a thousand years to reach our first star so you better be stable and know what true love is.

Some will say we can't survive that long or without gravity or we can't have the fuel or whatever, but I can draw you a somewhat simplified vessel with the potential; it can fly under constant acceleration or deceleration while turning to simulate gravity, it can contain a gigantic constantly changing metropolis, it is protected against dusting and it's every needs are satisfied by collecting some mass along the way, with a nuke booster if you want the turbo option, just joking... You don't need the mass of a planet for human gravity equivalent acceleration, so no big boosters here for people who only see in light speed. For now this is practically impossible, in this reality, with our so-so knowledge and inadequate attitudes, but in another reality, in a thousand years more advanced tech, well, who knows...

But that's kind of very far away in time, for now, another planet within our system would be extraordinary, but not a necessity to live a very long time, even reach another star, all you need is a self-sufficient exploitation system of bases where the earth always get back what it spends doing things. But in the eventuality that we do get ourselves self-sufficiently installed on another planet, and that is far from just traveling there, then we'll have given back life its initial investment easily, you'll be rewarded with a sigh of satisfaction from all life systems, maybe even an orgasm on spreading on another planet. Furthermore it will most likely mean we have learned our basic lessons of life; patience, love, survival, ego management, and more. Managing ego? It's a matter of seeing means as a pile, and we can use them to make existence far more enjoyable for everybody, become quite comfortable with technology, without the need to do it on the back of others with competition. We will only be limited in our production by technology, and we can't even predict what that will be in a thousand years, the old computer architecture we have today which permitted all kind of new things could not even be predicted 25 years before its coming, even Nostradamus didn't, wow Nostradamus! Big! If you had described the machine and it's skills to the scientist of the time, he would have said "impossible". What will technology be in 10 000 years? What can we build? I can tell you one thing; no dream is too big when time and resources are "infinite".

And that's what life does, can you believe it? There is this ball of matter, and when life grew on it, it made all kind of space vessel, even an interstellar machine. That thing should not exist, yet it does, and that unbelievably miraculous thing have been made by all life on the planet; if you had looked at life some time ago, you would have laughed at the suggestion that it could one day make these things. Only a successful global life development can do that. So scientists must not see matter morphing as a thing they did or permitted; it's a whole interrelated life development. It is not you that invented life that make light or grow back parts, it is not you that made the human, don't think you're gods and the universe is run by a bald white coat dealer or a religious bearded grandpa.

That ended unexpectedly...

All these possibilities about life fill my spirit, drives me, directs me, but you can say it is all theorizing if you're stuck, or if that word makes your little finger twitch, go for a batch of speculation on anything, or spirituality, or whatever else, particularly since it seems that if you're not from the peace and love-baby boomer generation your philosophical opinion is worthless, like it all ended there in a big show.

They monopolized everything for boasting, and we're not done with that, they made babies, who actually do it as an unconscious godly ego-inflation philosophy, continually showing off how hot and evolved they are, while they only profit from an enlargement of all humans horizons from the normal advancement of civilization, I could even say they make a mess of everything that can be expressed, for manipulation fun, with their druggies incompetence, while tagging everybody else than themselves as bad at every opportunity because one side fought in Vietnam on orange agent gas, while the other side fought against the war on LSD. Sorry...

One thing is for sure, there are possibilities in what we explore, but I will absolutely not call them facts. I think people know I don't possess absolute truth or knowledge; saying I'm making a painting of life is another way to tell people to use their judgment. I am not backed by a scientific or psy diploma to give myself some credibility, I'm a nobody telling his opinion in his own way. If you prefer, you could read my work as a painting of my imagination, my vision of things out of possibilities.

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Now, if you remember our entropy view of things, it started here, as a rock. The following 20 pages is an old view I adjusted with time and it lead me to many developments, including the foundation of my ideological view. This happens often, it's like I initiate subjects half wrongly, with unnecessary frustration addons, and my "other" brain will ponder on it (my old fermentation effect view), then years later, somewhere else in the book it will take revelatory form, often before I come back to the source, just so I'm doubly surprised that I forgot... I think this happens because I'm missing a lot of other aspects to my thinking too, like the more I add the more I reveal and the more things fit into place, and it's my opinion that starting the quest of trying to absorb all the knowledge cumulated until now is not only unrealistic, but it would take me all my time, jam my mind, and force me to blindly trust science to the point of preventing me from developing new visions. So I'm not strong with the internet, I started at my third revision having access, half the time, and I still don't like it, even just to search for a translated word.

But we all know that from the humblest beginnings often arise the greatest potential...

A rock cares about nothing, its actions, positive or negative, are totally dependent of the laws of physics that governs the universe. As it is the case with any basic atomic matter, it exists within its own limitations and laws and that's it. Entropy as the decomposition of everything is the most basic law of matter, it is the game, and self-inflation emphasized creation will accelerates entropy and I see self-sacrifice as what permits the development of everything. When we think of the life of a rock, we come to the conclusion that whatever it does, it ends up in destruction. How so? As a meteorite doesn't care about striking the earth and killing almost all life, a black hole doesn't care about destroying any matter and all life in a cloud of dust. If you extrapolate a reality in ego inflation competition to its ultimate form, it will end up as a dead rock not caring to strike anything in its path. Dust to dust is the universal cycle or law of entropy, the whole galaxy will go through that cycle of destruction. The same for humans, our path of extinction is the easiest path, the "letting go" path, the ego path.

Self-inflators will say they work hard, but it's just the requirement of the easiest path they found to glory with their skills.

Now, never forgetting the middle line, I will talk about self-inflation versus self-sacrifice, and altruism I think should remain a human conscious action. We will add some pepper to the rock which is "life" at a very fundamental level, its interactions implies that changes will take place for the rock, but the existence of this life thing required a first effort, minimally, but an extraordinary effort is more like it. The rock got its absolute entropy value modified because there is a "will", within it to change the destiny of the rock. But this value is too insignificant to steer the rock away from its destiny, even if we can say it has an infinitively small weighty amount of self-sacrifice going on. It will stay as it is if step-up possibilities don't exist, but under the right conditions, which probably include that the rock reaches a half fluid state like lava-rock with some other situation, like finding itself in contact with a more complex environment, it will be enough to create a bag of basic molecules feeding on matter to permit the birth or creation of higher structuring to gain more abilities from matter. That's one of the first steps of life development which will permit the existence of a whole new set of possibilities, structuring of life.

Didn't life appear in water?

Yes, but later and I'm talking structuring. At this point, nothing will run away from fire or a black hole, dust to dust. We will jump to something that can be compared to some greenery with water or algae if you prefer. With this jump we get infinitely more self-sacrifice capacities (doing things to help life, for others), it is still an infinitively small amount, but enough to start a cycle that will modify the environment for the coming of more. It won't move aside to let the sunlight reach its friends though, and again if the environment doesn't change, either only from their work or added to some planetary function, it will be dusted. The same situation fits bacteria and others very small species so I'll skip some steps as the amount of potential increases with the quantity of living matter.

Don't you think...

Some will surely try to stop me on my track right away by saying that the more complex a species becomes the more it self-inflates, yes, in potential, but it's a reproduction matter too, so what you're seeing is the animal and unconscious "enclosed" (no consciousness of global effect, only what is related to itself) survival skill, or self-existence, of a species. This natural drive permits different species to exist among other things, but it's still proportional in potential to conscious abilities, size, complexity and intelligence abilities of the creature among other things, generally speaking. A big creature, whatever the quantity of survival drive it has, will have, without knowing it, a lot more life potential than a fly if you only take into consideration the cumulated life it contains and transforms, but still far disproportionate in cost, like the taking of space, the eating of other life, the greenery needs, the soil transformation needs. But in the end, the bacteria that catches the beast will satisfy its belly a long time, until you hit the human that can reverse everything. All animal life is added and interrelated for the total self-sacrifice needed for the birthing of a potential high consciousness reaching species like us.

Yes the wheel of devouring...

The whole wheel of life is a gigantic never ending sacrifice, for some other species an investment, to create a healthy and interesting environment for the birth of a species that can work reality, because the potential there can permit the escaping of the "dust to dust" principle; life against entropy. Gaia wants and needs a species that can modify reality and is ready to do almost anything, go to any extent to get it, because it means expansion and possibilities for it. Life is meant to explore, and it must do it one way or the other, if not what is life for?

Surviving, some will say...

These transformations can take many forms, what life will go through to get to space is unbelievable. More basic life may even be able to make some of the basic elements, like we do all over the place, but the ladder of difficulty at transforming matter can go from impossible, to inventing it. You understand that if many earth aspects were created from life transformation steps, like petroleum, that make of everything a very precious equilibrium to keep, like the ozone layer, maybe it was step 4 in the process, and making a big hole in it, whatever we successfully stopped enlarging it, doesn't mean the planet is recreating it, maybe it is simply thinning it all over to fill back the hole, and that may be why we get more skin cancer than before.

Do we?

Just guessing...I was saying that the quantity of potential is supposed to increase with intelligence, complexity and size, in general. So ultimately we have species with a brain, insects and animals that get eaten all over the place generally proportionally to their size. Their survival skills and intellect will permit them to run away from fire, associate with others and survive less habile species. The main emphasis is on concentrating power, optimizing potential.

You're leaving your mark on this chapter sir.

This is an example of a natural equilibrium law we have broken by our let's self-inflate philosophy, with higher intelligence and consciousness we gained abilities unavailable to animals, like the potential for a single species to reproduce as much as it wants and control everything. Until now, we reproduced out of our chosen general philosophy, which is not the best, yet, our brain is good enough to permit a constant push, a competition to greatly reduce self-sacrifice and even escape dust to dust. This is a consciousness thing and it permitted the existence of this book because without that "crack", I would be either forced by lack of food to work on a pyramid or be enslaved with chains or killed altogether. Universal survival drive is not the same than self-controllable from consciousness reward drive. And saying the law, like there is only one and wrong at it, or goal, of life is survival is too simplistic and it encourages the use of consciousness for self-glorification that has nothing to do with survival past a very basic point.

Survival is basic stuff...

Now, life have a tool to better manage entropy; a mind. Life living is entropy surviving, the same for what we build, knowing we have the ability to copy or repair. The better the mind, the greater the quantity of entropy it is supposed to have the potential to control. In the end you could somewhat associate or compare this phenomenon to biomass transformation capacity as energy versus increase in complexity to some extent, which can happen to be high consciousness ability in a reality morphing able body. To date, no animal has what it takes to control itself and manipulate matter in a way as to survive entropy. We human are the only species in the universe we know that can do it. A species that can reach high consciousness and skills to morph reality quickly can gain the power of life or death upon all life related to it by creating planetary or reality limitations, or lifting them. Uncontrolled self-inflation in such a species can quickly overwhelm the total quantities of self-sacrifice involved, and end all life along with it, accelerating tremendously entropy, end of the story. That's the height of the bet, while self-control can create fantastic quantities of potential, developing life to extraordinary levels; we are this decisive species on earth; choose your attitude, or your side.

You're talking weird for a future Mr. President...

Now, all that doesn't permit a guy to escape dust to dust, it is mainly related to the thriving development of life and since a top species can be a tremendous source of it, taking that path logically increases our chance to escape dust to dust since we'll want life to thrive. Again, this is not altruism, and it is not total sacrifice either; it is a middle point of life forces, an energy transformation life system to develop independence, act, and gain the ability to survive in a global sense; not become dust. For us, it is mainly our effect toward steering life away from dust to dust in a realistic manner, and do what life wants, including us.

To reduce the risks, apart from other means we already described, there may even be barometers of life. Those would be species that react to environmental transformations in advance from extreme sensibilities enabled by powerful specialized modifiers; the actions and reactions of such species may enable or disable life processes far ahead of time, action reaction, a hundred years instead of a thousand.

It's all a matter of communication.

As its senses explores, life filters, categorizes and transmits information; you can see it as communication between species, but we are not limited to such a vision here. There could be slow circulating garble data, powerful data that could be sent once in a while, sometimes in self-detection loops until the data end-up with a success result instead of a failed one, depending on the situation, there could be data that go back to the source too, without leaving traces of its existence.

Life is under size and form limitations laws coming from matter, that's a given path, but in the situation where some internal matter levels affects its possibilities, then I wouldn't be surprised if an association of different tools was meant to compose a global "thinking" process (years later this would lead to "my" view of Gaia as interrelated intelligence). Gaia (from now on everywhere) is meant to develop species and project them in the galaxy, this is enough complexity for a single planet. So, probably there would be a basic system of filtering and transmitting data as matter circulation on earth, but the work of more complex processing and deducting would be done on other planets with unusual features. This intelligence can manipulate things but not everything; to a cell, a molecule is very big, to a molecule, an atom is very big, and so on.

As for the universe, since it is my strongest belief that it exists as an intelligence for life and have been experimenting it for many reformulations, then, like for any experiment, it needs a data processing and stashing process, no? This process would exist totally out of potential manipulations from life, including us, and it would need an efficiency process that is not too expensive in matter. Places where such possibilities exist with "stability" are deep planets, suns and black holes. I would tend to believe they all do it on their own area of influence, planets process and stash data about themselves, the sun would do it about the whole solar system, and a galactic black hole would do it for the whole galaxy (years later this would lead to my skimming view).

Memory form is always a big factor in everything, all our history could be memorized and contribute to drive time forward if there is an efficiency principle to it. I could say that galactic time speed could be variable and proportional to how much mass is used in the memorizing process; if you had to travel the stars, you'd go faster if you didn't drag your whole memory, which takes many matter form, what is best is to transport useful memory and an efficient system of deduction; your mind. Your knowledge and the true story of your history is useful, and 3D movies of compressed data is an excellent medium for you, you wouldn't drag paper books or your museums.

(Today I could say this actually contributed to my view of entropy, it's just that the process creates memory with life (like us giving a time form to things), as a weight, and we leave memory behind to too, to get lighter, very simply and it doesn't mean I'm right).

Rare planets are accessible for advanced life, I talked about that. Suns may be the initial life structure within a system, so I'll have to explain more about those as life systems, and their related possibilities. As for black holes, they are among the next steps in our understanding of life and our own survival. Understanding black holes as more than gravitational crunchers will in turn permit better life understanding, and contribute to better identify the bundle of missing life links.

Suns vs black holes

Black holes win with entropy

Entropy vs life

Suns win with life...

For the solar system as aspects of intelligence, you can see the main part of it as the sun processing its own possibilities and developing the best path to reach a universal functions. It gave birth to planets, all of which have a use decided by the history of our sun, and all what they do and happens to them is part of an interrelated process of deduction. Something like the earth is the realization of this, its most important birth, and the earth must learn its use and attain the "liberation" of intelligence wanted by the system, done through species. The earth must go through successful steps to gain powers, through its species, over other planets within the system. When I say the sun making things, I don't mean the sun was a whole thing that popped from somewhere else and started doing business; science knows a lot more than me in planet formation, even if I'll mess their vision a little...

With smoke...

It's motion blur these days...

Smoke, motion blur, and shadow magic...

Incantation magic fitting quantum standards...

For now, we can witness the effect of some laws and make deductions but the craziness is to suppose everything is actually coded. I could say the 2 main sets of laws are the matter and basic life laws; UI and Life... Matter laws are only there, they include a process of eliminating possibilities, from some functions having an effect as time forms. It is matter that mixes and exists by some logical cumulated functions and extrapolated mathematics from explored possibilities taking tangible material form, in short; the UI in its quest to explore possibilities, all the way to systematizing things for use by life to continue exploring more possibilities, since you can't mathematically deduct that laughing or happiness would be a truth necessary to develop and explore more, so life is meant for that job; if all there was to existence could be deducted logically by a computer, there wouldn't be a need for life, pure self-mathematics end-up limited and waiting. In fact, that form of intelligence explored itself until it hit nothing more as matter possibilities taking useful form, the problem is that there was still unknown, things it could not explore, like us when we look at the sky, then it needed to develop as a form that could do it, and that form evolved with universal reformulations and new dimensions, each addition growing the value and potential of the UI since the path is not lost, history, memory, it is personality, what is there among infinity? What is survival? What is an advantage?

UI personality...

As quantum steps you don't know where you are in the process, because the power necessary is tremendous, so you start at cells for new possibilities, and once you got a universe where cells do things, you take the formula as the basis of the whole universe instead of a few successful cells in it, then you take another quantum step, you can guess that writing this stuff is quite an advanced step...

So yes life is still mathematics, but a different form of it which can explore and understand any possibilities, like "understanding", which may be tremendously limited... This mathematical entity logically deducted it would have to give birth to the life intelligence as a continuation of understanding and exploration and expanding.

It's like opening back an infinite possibilities set, so if you don't create functions to give it a goal, it will be a waste of "time", that's why everything is a process made of steps, to limit life, to end-up with the best capabilities of it within a few forms. So life is the developing intelligence of the universe, you got the UI, its life systems, its gods, and life.

I can add creator species and the ascended, exceptional situations, added complexity, added beautiful, added possibilities, new principles developments, greater intelligence, new life, not much more investment. And never underestimate the beautiful, and never underestimate the value of a love story, gods, Gaia, even the UI, they may all crave love stories and dreams come true, anything extraordinary and good will get a benediction, this book, a flower to life as a city within a life reality, you think that's worthless? It may be the most valuable thing of the universe! Particularly if it's a first...

Who knows...

Matter laws are made of matter that needs to be imprinted, given a goal; and life's laws? Why is life limited and made of laws? Because it is under limitations too, and these limitations are the laws of matter; life cannot break the laws permitting it to exist, or the plan of possibilities matter is in; it could eat itself then what? Do it again? So life make itself laws to succeed, and these laws are different from one sun and its Gaia to the next, from one galaxy to the next too, depending on the ways of life there. If one of its form becomes a danger to life self-preservation, then that form will break some laws made to protect life systems from disasters and permitting them to exist, the problem will be eliminated or repaired over time. It's a matter of the knowledge that can be gained too, so action reaction is not necessarily immediate. Since self-inflated people can exploit everything for entertainment, the more costly you are versus the help you bring to life, the higher you chances of failure; not good enough. If Gaia wanted to play self-inflation against itself, it would win immediately and there wouldn't be life. We are nothing unless we care for life and control ourselves.

All laws are still temporary, even for matter, there are no definitive laws for matter except dust, only a temporary form we are witnessing and called physics; from the smallest atom parts to the whole universe, all that is temporary. Not in a destruction manner, but in a morphing and steps manner. Mathematics is life level permanent (planet, galaxy, universe and more), physics can be changed by many things, but apart from self-interplays, it's mainly a matter of intelligence, Gaia, high consciousness intelligence, the UI. The most probable conclusion to this is that the possibility includes the development of life intelligence as the mean to explore the greatest mass of possibilities left, and I say left because of the tremendous mass of unwanted possibilities that should have been mathematically eliminated as functions developed as forms, since matter efficiency is a function.

Where are these laws and processes that are made for life?

If you want to see it the stupid way, then try to take a big slab of diverse matter somewhere, like a planet, and more vastly; the galaxy. Then, all you have to do is to get that matter together and read these laws like a book? It doesn't work like that, and I'll be the first to say it's impossible. Why would you want to do that anyway? No use unless for the unbelievably low scenario possibility that your ego competition quest lead your "civilization" to destroys or subjugate with PMBBD, all other civilizations and systematizes everything, then you would be suffering from a life disability, making it impossible for you to go beyond some universal limitations, or you'd be stuck with nothing interesting to do.

The more self-inflated, the harder to satisfy or entertain or something...

So you may wish to find a way to end things, but no need to, it does it on automatic for the like of you far before that, we are presently at that step, a step that can be taken anytime... But yeah, go for it, all of you bunch of superior people, systematize some mass and read it like a few pages of a book, but to "read" it you may have to find a way to separate "clumps" of matter by intergalactic emptiness, that should be enough, then take a single snapshot of every side of every little particle of the particles of the particles that composes the electron, proton, neutron of every atom that compose the whole of the clumps in a millionth of a second without interacting with it while perfectly understanding how life work within the lot because everything is a process; that's the why of the photography, and you would still be reading something incomplete that is going on. Not too bad if you can get to that point, but in fact it's hard to be nearer impossibility than this. This is worse on motivation than getting just a galaxy's matter together for reading of infinitively small particles hung together so strongly you need a particle collider just to prove they exist!

That's how powerful you have to be if you want to take it all, so wake up! And any civilizations living in sense will work together to exterminate pirates, it's common knowledge, really, just play games...

Scientists have a hard time photographing an explosion of these particles even in particle colliders, and they have not yet studied all of them and the different forms they can take, I hope they won't need a particle collider in space around the earth with an energy source of a whole sun to break everything down, and do you actually see if the smallest thing is not composed of wind?

Wind...

Maybe we should get along with life and the UI before dreaming too big, because to it a sun is as small as a photon, almost mass-less, it floats like the wind...

I was just having some fun too, there is no book in there, the universe exists from these laws or mathematics under functional form, so you can only deduct, but the UI got the path to its own creation memorized in theory...

With information slowly circulated and transformed planetary wide through matter, the whole earth can be seen as a container of information, or more like an information transformation, stashing and processing engine, so yes, among the last possibility, you really could have escaping bits of information transmitted to galaxy wide extent, through direct matter contact, since it always happens. You could have an astronaut taking a walk on a comet which may eventually crash on another planet transmitting new information to that planet. It won't grow an astronaut, no people there will be able to read the rock, but someone may make a strange astronut dream he'll misinterpret and draw on a cavern wall.

You think?

Maybe not, just a possibility, don't close your mind.

The other thing is that there is probably a level of emptiness, or some intergalactic distance, where some level of life information may stop transmission, even the best physical satellites may not work or even disintegrate there, so we're probably limited to galactic interaction as living, and you'd need an interdimensional spiritual pass to go there, to know what's going on in these places. Separated chunks of matter (galaxies) in the universe could be seen as independent development of life from different randomness values. So life communication is probably cut by empty space, as communication capabilities may be dependent on matter form, so we may never know how life is doing its things in other galaxies, maybe except as spirits.

The UI may not want one type of mentality, whatever it is adequate or not, to spread everywhere in the universe. We're probably meant to develop alone, until we pass enough steps to prove we're minimally successful; the solar system, then probably our galaxy, since the UI doesn't want you cheating around, it wants you proud of your successes, of your story... Still, some may get some rare news when a faraway object (matter) from an ex living body, lands on its grounds.

If we can't travel the stars, then all what we learned will eventually become history, and our success is related to how we care for and like life, or mother earth; if we lose life, everybody will lose; animals and humans but at least the chances we spread our wrongs on another planet will be eliminated.

You can still do a lot even if you don't like life, but be careful that your cost don't overwhelm your investment, and don't become worse than useless, if not,

Bad omen stuff...

If you're useful and like life you may live as long as life exists, maybe even longer, and you can bet that life is interested in other suns and galaxies, and that implies that the species doing it, if it is possible, try to keep communication all along and come back to the system that would still fare well.

BTW, I was not saying there is no matter in the blackness of space, it's full of it, I say some type of information may be dependent from close matter contact; in the blackness of intergalactic space you may not have sufficient matter to "connect" and have sufficient knowledge in one point to develop life past "ready to contribute for my size". What I'm saying is that there is life everywhere the possibility for it to exist happens, luck, collisions, environmental change, all add or remove limitations to life, and it means that life develops where matter is in the path of its possibilities, a rock is ready for life, but in the blackness of space, life will only develop from it at an incredibly limited level you may not see, but it is ready and waiting to contribute for its size value of information, all you have to do is lift sufficient limitations to it.

What is rock in the blackness of space?

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Blackrock.

Not funny.

Blackrock is funny rock.

Continuing with this view, a rock or planet may do nothing that is not within its potential, a simple function formula of process to try in a certain order and at repetition, which alone may be basic, but with an astronaut species stomping all over it, and if the rock is complex enough, then new arrangement or development options, will become available, and the rock will have a new goals with life. The rock flies with a memory, like things to try when it meets this or that possibility, all as a process of unlocking, and raising what's not broken to molecular status etc... Neutral matter may not be imprinted by much useable life by default anyways, maybe basic molecular transformation possibilities.

Most galaxies may never get valuable information from other galactic life systems, unless you create a Morse communication system with a sun.

One big job...

Useless and ridiculous

Except to call you sir...

There are less difficult ways to get through to me I hope...

You're a part of most life systems, meaning that top life developments could have as a job to become a new communication step between entities, like what I already explained about communication between planets, suns, black holes, and they would do the job between galaxies. So, a planet could be seen as a filter of information, the memory of life, maybe even a cumulating recipient which transforms life data in whatever form it is pleased with.

And you'll never read the information of the rock, only see the result of some information useable by life if a maximum of limitation are removed, while not being absorbed by a bigger body. The rock here is seen as a value of information, so a valuable rock is one that brings new knowledge or new information, whatever the form, but our level of reading of that information may be forever limited to seeing expressions of it. So the rock that took alien satellite form, that got kicked and crashed on our moon, is better on earth in the hands of scientists...as a different viewpoint.

If you remember how I see life development from matter within a solar system, the maximal life value should be gotten by a maximum diversity of matter arrangements for a given stable environment in a single point, but that's still a continually changing state. Or a better order of view would be to say that environment, time and resources dictate the possible level of life development; a small rock can't develop life much. Furthermore, that means the biggest body of appropriate matter with the right environment has tremendous information value and development of life possibilities. And so once the environment becomes too exhausted in possibilities, the ideal, specifically on this aspect, is to recreate potential while keeping that information, by fusion with some other bodies and after the encounter is back to stability, new different life will raise to include the information or new capacities of the other body.

I see, the ideal is to cumulate needed matter and life evolutions potential...

But big random collisions are as much destructive as creative, you may not want to waste humanity by colliding the earth against things, and the ideal is still to be adequate for as long as possible, so in a sense the big meeting already happened, and we are the result, and for as long as we can we should continue to help the situation, like we are bringing food and things home, because importation of matter can be done, we'll do it someday one way or the other. But extremes things are better experimented on other planets, in the very far future quest to make life planets, since pressures may change the functioning of things, or increasing mass too much, or modifying momentum, can give all kind of strange results, like changing orbit, or too big a mass influence with moons could heat or cool the planet, thing like that, internal heat may increase with mass too, so while we have to trust science, it may not be a good idea to do thing disproportionally big.

All that brings us forever closer, but very differently and far more extensively, to the vision of life as Gaia.

A word as beautiful as love.

And not twisted by evil yet, too recent, need another 100 years of pressures from publicists and manipulators, until we're "Gaia" over everything and Lady Gaya go disco about her love for life... The inventor should be given a prize, and we should give it a straight definition, make it sacred, to prevent an extremism religion getting on it until it's made the equivalent twisted view for self-inflation as god today...

Nice way to mess-up a conclusion...

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This last part is the result of the vision of reading a galaxy of information, so you never know where weird ideas can lead to, but they still must have relations to aspects of understanding; you don't write anything stupid, you're permitted to do it just a bit, so you can save the face too, and it should happen naturally if your intents are good, understandable candor... It's like seeing everything as strings of forces of different length, I think that's how things work outside the universe, but this vision could be limited to the inside of the universe, because for some time I liked the idea of dust outside the universe as little modeling paste balls that slowly go back to initial form after collision.

We were all of the opinion that there are different levels and form of information not all accessible to us or life systems, and you wanted to continue with that...

Presently, scientists can see atoms made of pieces of matter hung together with some physical laws, they separate these in particle accelerators, good, but only to end-up realizing something is missing. These small things are not nothing, if you could count all of them making a few atom separately, you'd end up with hundreds of them, and you're far from a molecule. These little things all have a critically important use, they are different for one, and quantum sciences say they got all kind of "states", what's the use of these states? In all scenarios you can minimally make the 0 and 1 of computer languages, information, like this book entering your mind as a continual line, what's missing is the guy that has the system or tool to use it, which may as well be somewhere else like the spiritual dimension or universe, if you remember my skimming view; you could have states at one level or aspect meant to align matter for momentum, while other levels or aspects could be composed of different data systematizations getting stashed or transmitted. Everything that matters within our universe, as matter changes form, could end-up as a big 3D TV show with a billion channels for spiritual entities to form themselves or something, and all of them programs, the truth of history, get recorded as time (matter form) advancing with entropy, or the whole chaothic process of life is recorded if you prefer.

Quantum entanglement beyond your wildest dreams!

There should still be a flow of matter with another entity, interdimensionally, since the whole universe is a memory making device.

A memory leak?

Not really, but yeah...

This process may even dictate the speed of time, bigger still; since it directly concerns life, then you could say that life is a big factor in the speed of time. It could take the form of a bottleneck effect; the more matter is influenced by life, the more energy transformation is required by the UI (its systems) to memorize history and make it useful to spiritual matter (like brain matter), and the result would be that the more life thrives in the universe, the longer it lives. Isn't that nice! Since spiritual entities arise from experiencing life, then you can guess the critical importance for a high consciousness species to dwell in the truth of its history as much as possible.

Bullshit planet earth that can't live with its own truth is an immediate fail at that, it may not even qualify as interesting, maybe to some nostalgic audience that can take the mockery... And where's the priest to talk about subatomic particles? Just fun things for troubles? All necessary? The perfect complexity? You bet! Quantum mechanics is actually a science, so it is not spirituality, any contact change their state, even looking at them does, which is kind of spiritual to me, unless you need to blow them up to look at them...

Anyway, how can they change state if they are not all connected to a logical process? Worse, they actually reflect a wanted result! I mean, what are these effects within the mind, because having neurons far from explain the process of thinking, it just explain a super heavy communication strategy to me. Neurons could be quantum machines, and since we are senses of life, then everything going on within our mind or through our senses could take the form of a wanted result, and be reflected...

The discovery of small subatomic particles is the one with the greatest meaning in our history and quantum mechanics is supposed to have the biggest repercussions on our civilization to date. I see all that as an information system, which means there is an intelligence behind, receiving and recording information, maybe even witnessing our minds. Evidently it means there is a goal to it all too.

Concerning life specifically, one extreme possibility is that we could be in the face of a system to give weight to valuable principles with mathematics and physical laws to change actions-reactions, like a high level automated "judgment" machine, related to our solar system but eventually concerning the whole galaxy. What if principles are forces? More powerful than we think? Principles as galaxy morphing forces? What if galaxies do things depending on how life develops within itself?

As we traverse the twilight zone...

Mind bending after effects from event horizon skimming resynchronization, don't think you'd need a million watts to reflect imagination, the communication energy requirements for some communication levels may be so insignificant science find it inexistent.

What the...

I Still prefer to explore these possibilities, imagine that far, than being stuck under the limitations of science. Whatever we have to kick Einstein and reinvent math...

Communication satellites, which transmit tremendous amount of information, are thousands of kilometers away and using a ridiculous amount of energy in comparison to amount of data circulation, think about how little energy could be needed for the ultimate form of communication that could exist, using a specifically made force for protection and circulation. You could see energy needs in communication as proportional to the force flow you are using, like a satellite creating a flow of information. But while the spiritual universe would be a show of quantic properties, life systems could be limited to use the general universal flows seen as forces, just effortlessly, and humans style things are the exception; they should be capable of using almost any universal property they come to understand, eventually... Now, what is most inefficient or difficult is what is force against the flow, and that's why species transform matter as direct brute powerful energy; life systems need such power to go against the flow of a force, and you can easily guess that this force is dust to dust, or entropy, and that's why we humans exist, and that's why we need such energy, and that goes all the way to our brains, which is one abnormal phenomenon needing direct lightning power, while polluting a lot, going against entropy.

Heck.

Why would matter be composed to such little bits we cannot separate if they were not made to be used separately in the first place? Why would they exist? Everything has a use, different functions, you can transform and stash data with different particles, but quantum mechanics makes it too obvious; why in hell do they have a changing state if they're not meant to be dealt with as information? For fun? What need things and what doesn't? Information transfer, the structure of memory, different functions at different levels. I learned assembler language, how to talk to use chips, and the simple and most extraordinary thing is right there, you arrange a few on-off switches, transistors, in a certain way and you get an "and", "or", "add", etc, etc, from on-off, you get a "complete" language with mathematics. The possibilities exploded, think of all what a computer can do from this simple 0 and 1...You now have games cuter and more fun than reality, very addictive.

I am human, life, and I immediately saw computers and information as my tool, no doubt about it, I immediately jumped in, like I was made for it.

Inside 20 years, Bam, it's natural to us while we're still all mixed and warring over old religious views. That is so because that's what life is, yourself, a handful of worthless matter that can't do much more except 0 and 1, but reformulate the matter as a human, and all of a sudden, it gains worth and can do anything.

Life expresses itself from matter laws, we express ourselves from life and matter laws. Life program within the limits of matter, and high consciousness is the ultimate programming tool of life.

As a young man I believed in computer powers to expose my dreams, but everything was inadequate, so here I am, and the UI is a powerful enough computer for me so I'm offering a new program for it, for life. Where I needed 10 million dollars, 10 years, a hundred employees and a hundred computers, my chances of success too slim to be worthy it, now, if I am to waste my time, let's do it in beauty and grandeur; I'll need 10 trillion dollars, a thousand year, billions of employees and a vastness of computing power never seen on earth...

Some big thinking...

As we are we won't go far designing a new reality without computers, particularly one where we're supposed to like life, but computers are not reality or life, it is a tool used by us, so forget movies with evil computers, computing is one of the greatest thing to happen to us, the greatest technological tool we have.

You know that for some people technology supposedly moves too fast for humanity...

It moves too fast for people who lost enough potential or will at learning is more like it. Technology is a tool; it may be used negatively or positively by people, but left to itself, the knowledge to build technology is an absolutely good thing, and once technology becomes a physical thing, it is the absolute responsibility of the people building and using it; there cannot be an "evil computer", you cannot put any human failings on the back of technology. If technology brings something negative in our life it is because people made it so or didn't take their responsibility with the means to decide its form, which includes changing things if the mentalities it is developing or encouraging are leading to grave problems. If you made yourself dependent of technology, it is not the fault of technology; if a technology is shitty, it is not the fault of technology; it is the fault of bad judgment of the constructor, but, in the vast majority of cases, it is the fault of people thinking too much of profitability and a selection that don't have the will or judgment to fight what is wrong. Technology is a reality morphing tool, it makes our lives easier, more comfortable, it permits new forms of entertainment, makes us live longer, work less at laborious jobs and more at things we like, it makes us travel anywhere and faster etc, etc. Maybe one day it will permit us to escape dust to dust too. Its uses are many and as soon as we started walking the earth, we started developing technology and no animal do it. Working and stable physical technology is the proof of advancing knowledge, so anti-tech people are better shut-up if they don't want to go back to cavern times waiting for god like a bunch of morons...

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So those movies and people making a paranoia about computers taking over the world have exactly the same goal as religions; condemn humanity to earth, defend the ego-god (s) ideology, the superiority-inferiority ego inflation competition thingy, the control for self-inflation pyramidal reality. Some will demonize technology because they want to stay in their castle epoch with kings, monarch, diamonds and servants, but watch them if it becomes an evident tool for manipulation, they'll pay experts to find ways to profit from it too, at the minimum they'll try to look "in". Everything is meant to bring glory and profits to the best manipulators and profiteer, even alien and vampires movies are tools to encourage the same mentality of profiting from people and life. But in the end, it is not evil computers or aliens that will kill you; you'll die by your attitude. Don't think you need a computer or a big monster or a god to end your insignificance, no, you only need little "good" fearful humans peacefully acting unconsciously while admiring manipulators, accepting to leave their responsibility in the hand of others, drinking PMBBD and hype, accepting, tolerating, compassionating, adapting, while growing an unconscious monster from repressing and displacing.

You're getting along with Mr. Science after all...

All is missing is an autocorrect feature (first mention in my work) in case a scientist or anybody or anything replaces a 0 by a 1 in which case you don't want the program to crash, but repair itself, which takes place at the plank constant scale, the quantum mechanics domain, where you can hit through a wall, remove your arm, and it will autocorrect itself, windbag stuff in your terms...

My terms...

You can do anything with 0 and 1, even film your programming, but that's nothing besides 4D programing... So a lot of what you can do with a computer is available to life systems, through matter, and the UI can do just fantastically more you wouldn't dare dream about, it makes everything, know what is known, and complement itself permanently with life glories. So you got the UI aspect that permit quantum autocorrect, and you got Gaia that may not like its forms creating "bugs" everywhere too as life; you can do a fantastic quantity of things, all that is possible, even go to other galaxies, if you follow the laws of life and matter, but it's well known that too much bugging ends-up in crashing... And these "bugs" in the program are created by life top species, not animals, and lifeforms is among the tools it got to correct "mistakes", it can make us sick, which you'll do by yourself, and the program is kind of big you know, and it autocorrect... But don't go Hollowood; it doesn't mean that life is a computer, it simply mean life develops from logical rules and functions.

And never forget you are life, those computers you use were made by life as much as by your independent part in it, you are continuing the work of life, creating and experimenting, forever adding knowledge, but you got to let life systems do their things with the earth, so don't experiment beyond the capacities and strategies of the earth, do it enclosed or on another planet.

And don't try to say it's your god that made the program, in fact, we're kneeling your gods with our spiritual vision of Gaia and the UI.

I believe in this to direct my actions too, you don't have to, and you can dump all my opinions on things too; don't destroy my life because I made this effort, but I guess it's too late for that... But I do autocorrect, and I hope my mind can continue to tough the heat, it's not easy you know, I've chosen quite a quest, as I update myself and correct my bugs with each new version of my work...

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For a simple vision of how intelligence can come to exists, you start outside the universe with little stuff, "dust" that through the path of infinity will come to chaotically produce a memory as a function, add and add dust and you get memorized logic, and add still more dust and you'll get a mountain, a memorized form, add an add more and it will crumble, a new function and a new form. I can invent a few such scenarios, and like the 0 and 1 of computers, I can end-up having a vague idea that things didn't start as a white beard god. Now, our computers are inside the formulation of matter limitations, so don't worry, they won't start giving birth to species or other computers; we are the supreme "computer", the continual work of everything, our computers are our tools, and with them we can witness how life is powerful.

Existential mechanics...

Another way to see it would be that all possibilities existed at the beginning, then an infinite vastness slowly got eliminated until none more could be explored from cumulated functions by dust under mathematic possible forms. The remaining possibilities needed another form to be explored, so matter reformulated itself as a bearer of that form, the UI, and life became its next step in development to have the potential to make reality any possibility as a complement, but things probably went special kind of wild when life began to create more possibilities with itself, and that's among the most precious thing to the UI.

Nice...

The UI is the result of an accumulation of functions that took "tangible" form. This may have arisen from incalculably weak forces under the form of bits of strings of air currents (the following is my old view of matter not really existing, no science on the matter at that epoch, and no internet), dust (strings of dust), these would have different length, size, strength and directions, from negative to positive, and they immediately disappears because they cannot exist. Happily, they cannot not exist too, so they reappear, not necessarily, it may be the fabric of the environment that represent inexistence, while appearing forces represent existence. These currents that keep on appearing and disappearing all over the place take round form and lock themselves together when they meet their opposed value within the tolerance of their force. At that point they are what I would call dust particles because they can be made permanent through manipulation. They are orbiting forces, always taking round form, always nothing else than weak currents which changed properties when a new situation became reality. If you put 50-50 on existence vs inexistence for each fraction of a time value, then when you have 2 dust particles orbiting each other they come to not exist only if both reach off state, added to that they may not have perfectly the same force (size) so they don't flash synchronized. That should keep going, forces raising themselves in simple complexity. There may be a hundred different simple arrangement possible, from 2 bits to many, from small size to big, from weak force to strong. But that is only if they don't get accidented, in which situation they can become far more complex.

Vision...

Visually, I would call that a sea of differently sized dust particles, all of which will pop as they change their values with accumulations and influences, unless a super rare event takes place, like winning 100 times at lotto in a row. So remember that those dust particles I'll talk about are little balls of forces, and you are outside the universe, so matter properties are very different to anything we witness in the universe. Still, matter doesn't exist in this view, only forces, which may take the form of mass if a complex calculation of all the values of the forces within a content is made. It means that gravity doesn't work as intended too, even if I'll still use the term, like I'll do for matter. Gravity in this view amounts to a battle of forces defined by the step of force you are in, the form the forces took and the quantity of it, which can be seen as mass, to skip saying that mass, like matter, doesn't exist too.

Matter is just a term to describe stuff my hand can't go through, it doesn't exist, only compacted force of different levels exist, and I'm not sure a particle collider will ever be strong enough to end-up proving everything, like they say, since the end result is nothing...not a broken piece of something.

The more complexity is attained by lasting, the longer existence lasts. But that can't last if you are in an environment where such events happens often and in close proximity. Like a sea of dust particles growing in complexity to different size popping on-off continually. What happens is accidents, thus my analogy with winning at lotto. Accidents will reduce complexity to inexistence most of the time, but there may be a rare instance where a quintuple accident of different levels will birth a "matter" form of different properties, a bug is created, a bug that has a function, if only to mess things up, so most of these events will go nowhere.

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Let's say weird stuff happens a hundred times a second within an existential dust quantity, what happened a little less often is the meeting of a few weird forms that arose from the previous experience. What often happens less often is an interlocking of different forms creating a strong memory. What rarely happens often is a multi-memory meeting, or a simultaneous gigantic interlocking of dust forms. You can skip a few such rarities to jump to what may very extremely rarely happen, which would be the meeting of all kind of dust memories to form a self preservation (existence) point as a functions, it only need to happen once in an infinity of "time" or dust, but at that point you gain the power to reformulate your arrangement of forces to take the form of your priority tree of functions. And there ends the part I give to chaos theory (in purist form), the birth of the functional, universal intelligence (UI). Then exploration of mathematical possibilities from collecting dust becomes a function since all functions become under products of self-preservation, which is just a reformulation by priority of the initial memory accident. Thus it took the form of all the mathematical possibilities it could, growing its mathematical "knowledge" and its functions, and on and on you go until you are left with unknown possibilities, impossible questions as functions, and exploration out of the mathematical domain.

So life is the basic self-preservation function continuing its work, it's just that it is now at an extremely complex point in its explorations, because to preserve yourself you need the function of exploring what's possible, and that fits well with my personal philosophy on things, I'm one with the universe.

A reality that competes possibilities to elimination in the name of a limited final truth to everything is bad.

An intelligence made of mathematical functions can't deduct that a smile could permit it to open more possibilities, but from self-preservation functions it can deduct that another thing like itself could possibly exist, and then the prediction algorithm of what could possibly happen would minimally consider absorption. What else than absorption? What's the use if both are supposed to know the same? Mathematically, logically, nothing else, so it would be the end for one or the other. But that would conflict one of the most basic function which is existence, and the only way to exist or survive more is for the UI to invent more possibilities, but how? Random mathematics? You know there are many variables don't you? And what would be the result? Something? An object? A constantly changing object? So the UI invented a system to bear life as the explorer of crazy possibilities out of its logical-mathematical domain, and a smile may make the difference between absorbing or being absorbed in the scenario where another UI exists, positive differences, why not? Probably the more complex rare and beautiful the better the chances of a different scenario than a catastrophic one, like love?

With baby bearing galaxies?

Maybe love is more important than we think to the UI, instead of the easy cloning... But what is the best form of it? Who is going to show the UI? It is your own existence that is at play here, we could become the greatest jewel of the universe you know, its greatest success and pride, but we'll always have things to do, unless we become unappreciative...

The universe is a machine that will forever reformulate itself to help the evolution of the best species its galaxies will create, the most interesting stories too, and since living intelligence will eventually know all the mathematical possibilities while still doing all kind of new things, then life will forever exist, and with good and evil the universe will guide its best working forms through more steps until it can work the fundamental matter it rose from. The universe is a body of mathematical functions (memory) taking matter form and life is the developing intelligence of the universe.

So, if you meet another body that developed the smile and flowers to fool around your "mathematical preconceptions", you'll be interested in a non-destructive exchange, because you are meant to have or develop all possibilities and you'll have your life as a guide to know what's cool as interface between entities. Evidently there is already a big base of knowledge, so destroying out of jealousy or competition is mostly out of the equation.

Like we do in our current philosophy of imposing our culture with PMBBD or violence all over the world (universe) while not caring about what different groups may develop after a million years, and this is particularly true for psychopaths and superficial people who can't manage to find and respect the beautiful in things; the flowers and trees that went through evolution and human work to bring you these smells and visuals and foods, I'll bring them back to Neanderthals if you can't appreciate them...

Furthermore, the UI may need functions that are out of the logical-mathematical domain, or it may need different options than brute calculation to determine survivability, and life can provide such options.

And so love makes a better universe, it may be a thing that is necessary to be the better one, or to keep on surviving. Life exists to develop all such things that can't be deducted but can be true, and it applies to everything, particularly our ways of reproduction. True love, more than a smile, may make the difference between existence and non-existence; any life can reproduce brainlessly just seeking orgasms, but developing love as a genetic truth is another matter, yet, it can become a lifelong emotional thing so valuable we become the most precious life of the universe.

The easy path or the path of least resistance is the path of failure, everything is systemized to eliminate life that want to do nothing or can't appreciate things except in a manipulative way, and I believe the universe evolves, even reformulates itself, to better help the best life that successfully go through its steps.

Evidently, my vision is very much too simple and incomplete, or I can be wrong too, so I'll pass more time on this in Lift Off, but I'll add here that things outside the universe, or before the universe, were different than what we experience within the universe, and how can you explain what's different or missing? As another dimension to things, and these dimensions are what makes my story difficult to explain. As an example, if there was no multi state capable materials in the universe, then it would be "impossible" to make computers and interstellar vessels, and if I was from such a place and tried to explain how it is possible that a machine will come from another universe to visit, while not knowing the missing thing that makes it possible, then nobody would believe me as there would be no definition for the missing factor, and no knowledge about it, we'd be stuck in the 50's for eternity and Catholicism would be happy, or something like that.

Just add a dimension or two...

That last view could extend, differently, to the inside of the universe too, since what we know of math functions and possibilities are a result of imposed external explored possibilities, they are "inside" possibilities, we base our knowledge from effects, some of which gotten from external limitations. What is possible presently for science and math is not all what is possible to exist, and what is possible is what is possible for now. All that simply means we cannot know what has been used as functions to start as these may be out of our domain, you may never know or deduct them as they are part of a resulting systematization to permit existence under this form, or they are spent in the process of creating universal and life existence. So these functions may not exist unless you change the form of existence, exactly like humans and computers, one got things a computer will never deduct, find-out or understand. I'll even go to the extent of saying invested functions could be what makes everything possible, but the function can only be recuperated, or discovered, if everything disappears, and such functions are nothing, dust, they just exist as memory and when you build things, you use the function that will hold things together as form, the function becomes the form, form that will contain under-products, or decomposition of the invested function. Somewhat of an example of this would be the re-creation of high level high factorization randomness where all factors are re-created to copy a complex result; at a universal scale the seeking of such functions would be like seeking the repetition of a developing random formulae of it.

What about the big bagn?

Nothing prevents that from happening, it's just be the best way the UI found to have everything necessary to develop and experience this step of life. Notice that I didn't say "explore the possibilities of life"? It is evident to me, in the way life is advanced in its diversity and complexity, its life systems development and limitations, like death, that it went through at least a few reformulations, which doesn't necessarily mean a new big bang btw. The way things look, the question for the universe presently is to develop life at its best, the question of its potential is evident, at least to me, as we can explore all possibilities and work practically any difficulty, while we're just barely out of our caverns mentally, and if I know that, then the UI have been knowing it for a long time. It's probable that many parameters of life are there from previous formulations, pre current universe, which can take the form of going back to or near initial form, or you cold infuse some of these new dimensions along its chaotic development too, I guess death would fit the description as everybody living infinitively would fail everything. The same for many things within the universe which may have been missing to develop life adequately in previous iterations.

You're such a connoisseur...

So all the process of exploring possibilities is a step thing; the pre-universe mathematically explored all its possibilities to end-up with the creation of life, life will have a vaster quantity of possibilities as matter (time) forms, to explore, but the UI limited the process as steps for as long as life can't be trusted. The formulae of possibilities the pre-universe (developing UI, the UI is intrinsic to the universe) ended-up with, took the form of the universe which is made of all kind of limitations; and if there was no limits neither the universe nor life would exist. The process is still just a step, life will eventually reach a point where it will be successful at its step, creating a bunch of high consciousness species that will explore beyond that step. So our form will explore and make what's appropriate as time forms to show what are the worthwhile possibilities, eliminating lots of wrong ones, and the way life morph, then I don't see why the universe would need a drastic reformulation, and that would mean we, all the best high consciousness species, will end up closing the circle, we would end up capable of dealing with all possibilities, as complements of the UI.

I know of a place that would need a good old reformulation...

Is fire and destruction always involved?

Just ask Nostradamus...

You think?

I'm joking everything morphs continually, for a start...

Consciousness requires great knowledge, but that's us humans, that's what we carry that is the most important; our intelligence as high consciousness for the ability to act from it. It goes beyond all the capacities of anything that exists, yes sir, we're beyond even the structuring of knowledge that gave us birth. That's the greatest thing to exist in this universe and outside too, but we are still dependent from the UI and life systems, they know if or when we are appropriate or not. Furthermore, if life is at the point, building species that can know anything, it means the blunt of the UI work is done as well as the blunt of life's work; all knowledge have been used to make the high consciousness form. What remain of possibilities are the best, the cake, the jackpot, the most fantastic voyage of ultimate knowledge and possibilities, the most incredible meetings. The ceremony awaits but you better be cute and well behaved or you won't participate.

I need a ceremony.

You need more than that...

Everything exists for species like us and all these stars in the sky are only the beginning of the firework, it is where we show if we are worth it. Almost all what you learn on this planet and more is already known or will be known, and how you deal with possibilities will dictate if you can be trusted in the future, while keeping in mind that a "maybe" or a "possible" changes things from falsehood to truth.

Enforcing ignorance creates falsehood of attitudes and judgment, the same with PMBBD. And I'm not talking the stuff that makes you independent as a part of your species, what goes on in your mind or your place that only affects you is yours, in fact it is a crime to use the personal life of people against them, the only entities that has the right to know everything is Gaia and the UI, as for people, they can say or do whatever they want as long as they don't affect others or life negatively, except evil, in purism form. So be careful or I'll start lying if you try to piss me off over my personal life.

Affecting life can be lying to your new friend in a situation that requires frankness, so don't try to twist this fundamental right to one's own brains...

For another possibility for starting the UI, if you stay at a very simple level of matter hung by forces, there is a dust with a function determined by the mathematics of its form, movement and integrity, one in an infinity that do the same kind of thing, it enters in contact with another one in a way that permits them to form something new, it will disintegrate among collisions unless it meets another complementing situation, and on you go until something break down inside creating unknown attraction for a situation of self-preservation, which may be the attraction of the same kind of situation, creating two stashes as a copy-protect function, as well as an evolving function from both developing from an infinitesimal differential of the initial form, and on you go until you get something like a molecule, as an analogy. Even if the situation happens only once in an "infinity" of dust moving, it is too late, it will never stop developing. Evidently, the successful situation is the most unlikely, as an exception. It may take only one form to have the starting function stash, addition and multiplication principles as memorized forms for the simplest view, then the small bundle of developing information, principles and functions may meet a situation that will spread it to new possibilities, getting more complex and improving itself anywhere appropriate.

We are way over the galaxy here...

A part of this view could apply to life development in the universe too, particularly if things like black holes are involved. When I talk about black holes, you can consider that there are many such things that can work as a whole system to create random parameters, or specific areas of life differences and memories), as they would be both capable of acting as data filters and life building blocks production and spreading machines, even automated reformulators of matter, with a skimming process for certain frequencies, and once past the middle line, the other end of the same frequency remark the matter differently, see it as a cord of history going around life in the galaxy, getting squeezed and processed as a ball of information, and the other end of the string rejoin broken matter as a reward to the "galaxy", or whatever area the process, or part of it can work because this is still the simplest vision, it's probably complex beyond imagination, involving dimensions, and UI connections, and the size of the matter that can be imprinted is dependent from what can tough the evolving body in question. You can see it as a cycle, the matter gaining new functions as information and forever becoming more complete and appropriate each time it goes through a filtering body.

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Are you a kind of astrophysicist naturalist or humanist or spiritualist or something?

Mister made it big, so what? Science "proved" that life appeared from a meteor smashing with earth and that created a tremendous pressure which bound together things creating some life building blocks or something, while we show otherwise with life in a bottle what do you say about that?

I say this view was only one of many theories, not a fact...

There may be many ways for life to appear, remember that I see life everywhere, I find it quite silly when scientists are all flabbergasted about the possibility of microbes on other planets, I'm sure there are microbes everywhere, I wouldn't be surprised if they found some in emptiness by spreading a net, or maybe more like chromosomes. Call me when you'll find some mammal allright? And did I mention that succeeding at doing something is not a proof that it's the way things happened? It is not because you succeeded at creating a life building block by forcing things with pressure that it is a proof that it is the way, or only way, life appeared...The same for antimatter, it is not because you succeeded at making something like it that it proves things started by the initial meeting of matter and antimatter... There are many more examples, find some, and me too I can be wrong, but I don't talk through a diploma in astrophysics, and I don't provide proofs.

I can explain another vision of how an intelligence can appear, while still trying to start from the most difficult situation, but don't forget it's a visualization, and wrong since I believe there is a whole big set of functions with a basis of knowledge and a precise starting and development pattern that is made and distributed by the UI, just waiting for the right conjuncture to form life building blocks. That's far better than starting from the creation of a "little function"...

Let's hear that...

Let's make an adventure out of an accident meant to happen (this is a very old view, 2012 or something). I'll start as low as possible in my life existence adventure; a little function that may be anything, like a cluttering ability that can make a book of pages of a hundred 0 and 1 to make a drawing. When "life" is so little it travels between molecules and explores everything of its world, it learns some atomic possibilities in its travels of discoveries. You could see this first bit of life as a compressed memory permitting a few simple functions to exist. If you don't believe there is a pre-universe development, then you may start from accidents or anomalies in matter that produces examples of functions. Such functions could be memorizing and expanding possibilities functions, in that order of priority; as simple, as basic, and as unintelligent as that. The memory function in its simplest form is a "tag", so it tags the first atom or molecule it meets, it does it automatic by connecting itself to it, thus starting the data recording (memory) process of the universe too. So you tagged it as the first point from where everything started, the place you come from, that's the minimum maybe the maximum you can do when you're so small and unintelligent, but what are you doing? You are creating a history, memory. Then the next in line will not connect to you since you are the initial memory, your tagging gave you the form of the memory function (remember what I said about the universe taking the form of its mathematics?) so the next that touches you will not connect, leading to a new function; exploration of new possibilities (look somewhere else), and when it will tag something new (find something new), it will stay open to association (other possibilities) if his resulting form is the same than the one he first met, or the function "memorize" will become the priority if his resulting form is new. Then the next clone will follow the same logic path creating more forms and so on. Your functions forces you to be the tag, until a more evolved function rendering the tag function worthless gets circulated that will disengage the molecule or particle. As for the recording process of the universe, you can see it as an electron that changed function from the new play of forces created by the molecule, it leaves the atom for the next, while the initial atom always gets its electron replaced by a "virgin" one. Now, after a thousand such occurrences, you can notice a few things; the first form is still there and the more you expand outward, the more complex the structuring, so you know where things started, and by following the number of tags in a single place you can have a path of evolution. Your memorizing capacities are expanding, and so are your mathematical and physical possibilities, and you are learning how the truth of history is important to preserve knowledge, and you're learning how to count. As this systematization of structuring is growing, we'll skip some simple extrapolation of math and form to jump to the eventuality that sufficient possibilities have been systemized to create a far more mobile and complex memorizing function that can carry its history (knowledge) while having the new function of absorbing, that way if you meet molecules that did the same job you already did, you can make it virgin to add memory potential. We're talking creation here, systematization of matter for life, the process of systematization may have taken any number of form before systemizing the best path to life as chromosomes and spreading it everywhere in the galaxy, probably eliminating the original path that led to it in the name of efficiency, (the memory of the path still exists, just like us with our history).

This could work if the dimension is the structuring, because you'd need a special environment.

As this new form, you meet a constant anomaly that shows new possibilities, a lot of your "friends" agglomerate there following your "history" (existence or self preservation implies that you need copies of yourself, and copies will make more copies). You are all watching the phenomenon which could be the creation of an atom you have never met. The first one going through its priority cycle of functions ends-up leaving for the anomaly in the name of exploring possibilities, then bam! It gets blown to bits or and disappears. You end-up witnessing that there are dangerous external forces that can force your own composition to forever change, scary on the memory function! You cannot talk yet but as a new agglomeration of "friends", you expose or create new functions and possibilities between yourselves. New functions are born, new levels of modification, all kind of options and possibilities can be open to you, you find ways to memorize this new knowledge of a new phenomenon with infinite possibilities because that's almost all you can possibly do with your existence. You've got a logical capacity, connection, but the only memory you have is some limited state quantity you carry as yourself or with your "friends", and matter itself. So you make a new combination or arrange new states to make an association that will now on mean "add". Another "friend" or bundle of them create "and", you make "this", he makes "if", another makes "bang", this one makes "or", that other makes "what", all kind of things like that to expose and memorize possibilities. Then, in the name of efficiency, everybody order themselves the best way they can and the result is "add this or that and if not then bang", now you want to remember that one, your first phrase.

Everything as forms.

So your association of friends becomes a precious entity that must be preserved, memorized, and copied. You probably seek pure efficiency too, so you start everything all over using your counting ability as steps of possibilities or knowledge, then as path of possibilities or knowledge in a place where "bang" don't happens. That way, a new "friend" following the path cumulates knowledge and possibilities (grow); things to do or try and not to do or try, awaiting accumulation at points to form the necessary structuring to explore this unexplored possibility or that until you get a new strategy to pierce or survive the anomaly. So, your new knowledge and abilities permits you to make new combinations, you make a central point where you put all memory, it become a dynamic and changing thing with all kind of possibilities and options for future exploration. You systemize what you need to grow by associating with millions of your friends which have been "added" with this or that by passing through knowledge paths for new powers. At that point, you can say you're a form of intelligence, you can reproduce (make back-ups), you learn, you communicate, you change, you react, etc. Eventually, after trillions of years, the tagging of atoms becomes almost useless as the knowledge is stashed in a logical manner throughout all matter, it is everywhere and indestructible, so you can use the function for something else, and the morphing continues as you take the means to explore all possibilities and knowledge is circulated and distributed everywhere there's a worthy place in the galaxy through matter contact.

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I know this view is deficient

Deficient...

I'm just imaging a process of development gained from a few basic function, another way to explain the situation is by the contact of already existing universal random matter form with forces (mathematics as form, can be pressure to bound things together), and when a molecule attaches to the form, it start a process that will transform the matter to a new set of functions. Complex matter interactions can create self-preserving development of functions which can lead to intelligence development as other situations happen and are cumulated.

The question is: do people win at lotto?

Life is not a computer though, it can be seen as such for fun or comparison since it got a program and functions and memory and all, but a human got all that too, do we look like a computer? Neither does the universe. Life is an exploration of possibilities and creator of knowledge, it started by the most little in the most limited environment and if the possibility to go beyond the universe exists we will be part of it if we are worthy under this form. The more possibilities, understanding, knowledge, the more interesting the job of life, but everything is done by steps, some present limitations are there to force the species to act differently, other limitations are due to a reformulation of form, and still other exist because life systems or Gaia met limitations to knowledge and possibilities under their initial form but they learned critical things that would be very dangerous to some of their facets while being necessary to more advanced form that will do everything differently.

Sounds complicated for the style of audience...

With a high consciousness species like us, Gaia is forced to a different view of things; we are a new birth of life, we are a transport form of life, and as we experience this ultimate form, it is not us that do it, it is life; if we are flabbergasted about life, we are about ourselves. We may eventually know and understand everything about life because we are life, a super evolved form that is supposed to understand all that and go beyond. When life systems will stop teaching us, then the life duplication of knowledge source and abilities will be successful; no lessons to learn anymore, lots of experimentations to do, a lot of funky life to grow everywhere, we will expand life knowledge tremendously while being happy. And we have to be happy, the UI and Gaia need their forms to live, we are the experimenters, we have tons of work to do, and we must do it because without us, Gaia and the UI won't expand their possibilities for existence. The most basic life live because it exist, not because it must survive, it exist because there are possibilities, it cannot say "ah, to hell with it, I'll make a toxic grass that will destroy the planet since I'm tired of working endlessly" It cannot say that because it automatically do something and eliminate possibilities that end up in self-elimination, and the more it eliminates these impossibilities, the more it is stuck to explore possibilities that may lead to some unknown result until all it have to do is create a whole planet full of life to give birth to the human and go explore possibilities on foot. If we fail to explore what's open to us, or do terribly stupid thing like depressing life globally, or severely incapacitate the planet for it, then we'll degenerate as a failure.

Back to life...

We are the best extrapolated form of life that we know, explorer and testers beyond any measures of capabilities previously developed, but more than this; we are life itself. And the why of our difficulties is simply the result of the different arrangement of powers and functions of it. And that's in part why the universe is like that, high consciousness life must exist on many independent place like a garden of flowers (the vision for the life reality cultural view) and better encourage the good over the bad, good do great developments, bad ends-up fucking up the whole garden in a mess and destroys tons of beautiful diversity. So life is limited by the universe in its development ways; the danger of tremendous damage to life or the universe that high consciousness may do in its development is real, and that can go very far, with less limitations life could destroy the galaxy quickly or spread as only one form everywhere, and then the universe would have to be reformulated. We are independent, innocent and tremendously powerful, particularly in our ability to use knowledge and understanding to affect matter like magicians.

Back to reality...

Animals are stuck living from more basic survival concepts, the pleasure system, not the reward system, that we see on the surface, which is used mainly for eating and caring for their offspring. We humans have access to fantastic things animals can only dream about; we can live for ourselves but we must live for life. Our place on earth is to better adapt and form reality for life, not only us, we have no bragging rights over life, no right to live like we care only about ourselves and our food, we are born with a responsibility and the faith of the whole planetary unconsciousness, past and present, is upon our shoulders and until now we are a deception, to the point of using our intelligence to condemn the earth to a reality where we can grow self-inflation out of place and out of proportions in competition instead of following the example of the deep workings of the laws of matter and life which encompass the most sense, potential and possibilities, whatever the extent of both extrapolations and associations.

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There is always a process to life, and energy expenditure to move or transform thing around is a tremendous problem, energy transformation is the biggest hurdle to get life thriving, most species exist in big part for exactly that reason. Probably all life that grew from the little cell was meant to develop the ability to transform matter as useable at all sauces energy for higher complexity and more potential, life eat, life do things, while continuing its work of self-sacrifice to contribute to evolution, and it is in part why we die. Available power is proportional to energy transformation efficiency from a maximum of sources. If we remember our view of self-inflation versus self-sacrifice, you understand that both go hand in hand, and our species is the final step of that process as we can eat almost any species, survive almost any environment and do fantastic things from the energy, energy we transform in more energy to create and build more and better. We eat, and in turn we build nuclear reactors, but if we're good enough, we'll understand that nuclear reactors are not the best energy source, natural elements are, wind, water, lava and the sun, we must eat to make nuclear reactors to eventually make better technology that will make us require less killing and space taking.

Matter transformation process to grow moveable and working intelligence.

Life needs to take many forms to learn everything, yet it must always keep its ecosystems functioning since accidents always happen; Gaia will always protect the structure permitting the whole to exist, and it is where we become a shame to it, when we can take a better path but take one that lead to the downgrading of its survival potential, particularly to waste it laughing. We must understand everything possible in truth, even life itself, how it came to exist; the universe, matter, everything and we memorize, arrange and systemize knowledge in our own ways while not destroying whatever process that gave us birth. But it is still a very easy job with our fantastic abilities besides what life did to date, you know that? So it takes one sick society to develop such an uncaring population, that depresses at it, that wants to do nothing, or self-inflate, how can people reach that point?

Our despicable attitude with life is all over the place in evidence, all these vast cities don't even contain the value of a single ecosystem, worse, they downgrade all what's good mentally and physically, all what's positive can be made somewhere else in a far better life respectful way, including universities, and I just can't talk of the sick mentalities, vast cities are a show of evil and are tremendously costly, each one is a grave handicap on Gaia and a shame, a ruin on resources, a ruin on wild life, and besides the architects building things, probably the only way you can be proud of these places is by being superficial fakers, they are a reflection of psychopathy on the whole life creation, whatever the artists that boast themselves emotionally all over the place...

Your normal citizen may be allright, but a vast majority of the people I met that came from a vast city were inappropriate, a show of bad attitudes for most, because these cities are an extrematisation of the ego-god (s) ideology of this reality. I believe they should never have existed under that form, and they'll be a problem all the way to the end. I come from a village, so think about that while you read my work, maybe some city people will reconsider the self-inflated completely disconnected attitude they have, and their cost.

And don't you dare go pollute green place with the mentalities that gave you birth in your vast cities; you remain there and continue the self-boasting pride thing, the same for all the governments of this reality, they are vast city developments and that's why they put all the money in these rotten places to make beautiful facades and create jobs and spread their mentalities with entertainment productions and television...

I consider present vast cities as far worse than useless, and the new reality I'll design won't have place for cities that spread past around 5 million, unless they become super condensed and efficient "flower cities" with the specific goal of doing multiculturalism in a protected, fair and logical way.

So, it is possible an advanced civilization existed to the space travel point, we may find traces, and now they're dead or stuck, like if it took them too long to wake-up and failed their first and only interstellar tentative to go to another life planet. So we may be alone around at this moment, but eventually find there are a few, all kind of things are possible, so we are not responsible for the failings of others unless we are.

What you got to understand is Gaia working action reaction, the way life deals with its forms is all automatic, continually programmed actions reactions, the possibilities are "infinite" (within known limitations) and combination multiple, all life logical, so you won't see wolves making a razia in a city, species fail by themselves by breaking their laws of existence, by unexpected environmental limitations too, like not caring about the danger of a possible drought leading to a famine; reproducing an exaggerated mass of people with barely enough food is quite a grave judgment failure for a top consciousness species, and the current reality is full of such examples, what we call reality condemnations, things just waiting for the right conjunction of events to cause massive problems. But we are still a whole interdependent entity, so the failure is not only us, it is Gaia's failure too, and it means we are kind of half responsible of our wrongs, but the other thing is that Gaia know what it's doing, so its part of the responsibility is a calculation of the future from knowing the past, and its work can take the form of arranging itself to prevent known cataclysmic situation happening or repeating themselves, it could even slow down or accelerate things to prevent meteor 2012 as an example.

You think?

In the mitten anytime...

Or maybe prevent us meeting an inadequate specie that destroys life planets, that spread bad life that's a waste of time, in such a scenario we could have been mentally retarded on purpose to prevent extraterrestrial predicted encounter, with Christianity as the good evil guys (necessary evil), who knows, and once the risk is passed we wake up to life and try our own things.

This is the third scenario where we don't attack them, even if it's far-fetched, I hope you took notice...

Yeah, Yeah, we can just quit them and the ideal scenario for our new reality is to keep them as representing a big aspect of our history.

The thing is that retribution is a bitch when you're not sure of both the intents and the truth, it's too easy to grow a wrong even further, or the deal can't be worth it under no circumstances anymore, so you're as well cumulate, endure, make the best of the situation, and imagine afterlife retribution.

While being humble and frank versus yourself...

There are all kind of possibilities, I'm even exposing quite a few that justifies that we are at this point ideologically, and while I definitively shouldn't be happy about the state of things, we should not dwell in regrets too much and look forward whatever the situation, except if we reach guaranteed failure. Maybe while I see the future as bleak, it is in fact the beginning of a great future...

Don't worry, it's the turning of the hourglass, as we are the singularity...

It may be possible the human form ends-up as the only reproducible high consciousness species in our galaxy too, Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal chimp and gorilla family types all over the place, it may even be possible there is a single life intelligence entity by galaxy, the god of religions, transferring itself from places to places until it succeed in its quest, vastly overrated by crediting him the universe though... Maybe that last possibility is a little too far fetched, but what that means is that one way or the other we'll have to do absolutely everything ourselves, explore everything, bring life everywhere, make heavy genetic engineering to create different high consciousness species as we are life, and if we are good enough, we may become valuable for as long as we want. Maybe we are one among many in our galaxy too, but we won't know that for sure ever by staying on our planet and waiting in entertainment, and going to mars with an ambulance to look if there's still a microbe alive...

We still have to explore everywhere physically, within a schema of priorities making sense for the situation we're in, as we feel with and as the senses of life, and building physical memory where appropriate, while trying to concentrate life possibilities; a planet full of life is better than a meteor with a garden.

To keep on that line, it is evident we'll want to accelerate a bit the process if we are to create some sort of schema of planetary increased life value, even if it's important to take the example of the step processes that made mother earth, at that point we'll become an extension of it, its success, like the life god is an extension of the UI, and we'll be entitled to work in its name, following the principles of good and evil that lead us there, we'll be its continuation with all the tools of knowledge and technology to do thing far faster and probably better; we can create within a few thousand years the equivalent earth life work of many million years; you don't need to boil the planet in acid mush to create an ozone layer, you insufflate it with some chemical reaction in temporary lakes or something...

Yeah, I'm sure making a few more life bearing planets here is possible, planets which may be adequate moons. There are many moons to study the possibilities of, some of these are almost half as big as the earth and circling around planets we can't live on but that got tremendous resources potential, like Jupiter. This could even permit such moons to develop some life by transforming the stuff into something else, and since the planet is a giant, you can safely bet that it may last as long as all the rest, you just double the form of your supply line with an emergency line and a stash, or something like that. We don't know what will be possible in a few thousand years, maybe we'll be able to make long tubes capable of sustaining their weight for tremendous distances, building space elevators or atmospheric attachments to giant tankers in orbit, injecting or aspiring stuff, creating atmospheres from others tankers traveling around the system. 100 such things, general ones and other meant for more specific work, doing different things around the system and you're in the game big time. But the first one is a feat, I'll give you that, and there are more possibilities. Our greatest priority is a second planet, which can be the easiest body for life bearing in the system; the goal is to have breathing and sustainable life capacities, with some resources for sure. A big moon with a molten core that can hold an atmosphere can do, if it works, and you can try adding mass to it, just don't lower your arms if an accident happens or if you made a mistake. Once the planet reaches sufficient life state, and you can go however crazy you want to get life going, except with high consciousness, then things will start to be scarily impressive, and basic self-satisfaction will increase in priority at that point too, since survival is less of a problem. But even if it is possible that we live nude on 3 planets in our system, we must always think of propelling humanity to other stars while continuing to systematize things.

As for walking and grabbing at things, seeing is not believing, all you need to do for a successful illusion is to fool people, we should know that with so many PMBBD users. You can make an interstellar vessel invisible to the eye if you got unknown technology that can camouflage it as a cumulus, and scientists may turn their big detectors all they want, they may project a reflective or diversion illusion with a million year more advanced unknown technology of alien origin, like... Who knows, maybe you can submerge the earth in an illusionary counter signal of a dead universe, wiping out anything that is external communication to certain areas, like inside a system, make every detectors believe nothing's out there, even something like the sun magnetic field could selectively filter some signals out.

You're going a little far.

At least we should always be careful about our affirmations, particularly today. We know what affects physical laws is truth, yet, what you hear is far from always the truth so who knows what is possible as falsehood. Now, these possibilities are as valid as the possibility that we are alone in the galaxy, which is small but existing, and we shouldn't believe any affirmation made by science, particularly at a critical epoch where manipulators abound in a situation full of condemnations, deception, where hope is getting a run for its money, with rich philanthropist doing the good thing in their quest to find something to make everybody happy, while getting a fat pay and some admiration...

They'll even grow humans and mountains of gold in a few years with nano-tech, they say, or they may end up listening so hard they become blind and they'll make the affirmation we are alone while there are Martians laughing just besides them, kind of...

The only way I see to get out of this is to take our mind and our hand to make vessels, and take our feet to walk on things and grab at them. But that is a quest beyond the capacities of current humanity and planetary resources, this reality waste most of its efficiency on stupidities and bad attributes; particularly from those who took the means to do thing, their palaces, jets, yachts, Las Vegas, elections, killing each other and many more examples in the many available.

One of the facets of being evil is to exploit too much for nothing positive toward life advancement.

To recapitulate, it is evident that what we developed as technology is not much use to life systems directly, what life directly uses is more what we do as molecules, which it can duplicate or transform, often more easily than us, then it's a matter of making it available to targets, so it is circulated one way or the other. The most complete packages are cells so the fastest transports are blood, virus and insects; the speed varies greatly from what kind of transport is used as well as how many transformation steps are necessary to implement it, a 90% adequate species will need less time to implement useful information than a 50% one, which may be too much of an hassle to transform, it's like trying to make a human out of a beaver. Next, you could see implementation time as somewhat proportional to complexity too; a bacteria can't quickly get much complexity, but that same bacteria may be a step in such an implementation process too. Once a family is lucky enough to get going, then reproduction will do the rest. If you take the fastest route, a virus may get a big change implemented within a hundred to a thousand years or more, so the process is long even in its fastest way, and it mostly depend on the ability of the data to reach the recipient quickly and for the recipient to reproduce the new information, which is a real difficulty since it can be seen as freaky, or a sickness, and the information can cumulate garbage as it is carried to the recipient too, so the information may not work well for a long time until not useful stuff is filtered out of the loop through repetitive reproduction. Still, a lot of information is free roaming, some steps are really a mess even if life systems will pressure for integrity.

All that while not forgetting our other principles about ecosystems and their limitations, which are required for diversity.

So all kind of information is mixed, stashed, and some will eventually be used to modify a lifeform, and it can be multi part, so you got all kind of pieces waiting. At the extreme of possibilities, the information can even be a whole package which will immediately lead to a new species, once the requirement for appearing are met, its road to birth, under which circumstances they die apart from fundamental life system laws. In the end, new information can be transmitted by simple contact at a molecular level, stepped up to chromosome, DNA and cells, bacteria and virus, stepped-up to more advanced life and so on. You give birth to very basic life, then recombine, add, multiply, stash, mix and so on, continually making life more complex.

Or more habile, complexity comes with abilities.

All that means every species is continually assailed by a vast quantity of information (memory forms) circulating through its body, while information steps (forms) are used as protection of integrity, since everybody can't be affected by all levels of information, there must be a barrier of protection and some life functions will get information in between, and you can guess that those must be everywhere and small; creatures capable of directly implementing stuff in cells from what it finds around, there may be a million such species, all dealing with different bits of information, and where are bacteria? Everywhere, yet, the bacteria does not exist to transmit everything it can fit in its belly, so it is limited as an information step, another thing that will specifically go at the right place must eat the bacterial and transform the information as usable to that form.

Information that can modify a species can take many form, even mental (adulthood reproduction), and can be stored in different ways within life, at some molecular level, or cumulated at the chromosome or DNA level, or as bacteria and viruses staying alive within their host. Rich modification potential is important, so a lot of stuff is cumulated in different ways until the species meets the requirements needed to start the modification process, so sicknesses may not be, useless genetics may not be. These requirements are external (like environmental modification) and internal (like fear of not surviving), and the spark can take any number of form too, a timer from quality degradation, temperature, the slow growth of a new part from a new environment etc. All these parts of our DNA (90%) some believe is garbage may be accumulated bits of codes taken all around (limited by space), some old residual cut parts, other getting ready for a mutation that may change us, like the appearance of a new human race like the Chinese, as a possible example, or even give birth to a totally new species that won't be able to reproduce with us thus eliminating the ancestry notion right there on the spot.

There!

Some "mutations" may arise from an environment that don't exist yet on earth too; an unlocker, which can be a virus too or even a chemical molecule not yet invented, like medication or insecticide. A species that unconsciously knows that its environment is becoming unsuitable for free survival, for whatever reasons, may stop a whole tree of mutation from happening or even trigger a process that will destroy a whole ecosystem. It's hard to calculate diversity potential though, a possible dog evolution by suns in the universe is a rare thing even if the final number is gigantic so think what it is for insects... Concerning life, potential diversity may take 100 million years to be expressed from cell level. And since basic life formulas should be spread evenly throughout the galaxy, every potential high consciousness species world may start with a choice of 100 dogs, but they can have them all with genetic engineering, even if the dog may not be the best example here. But it will take a lot of time and resources to genetically create all possible dog variations in the universe, and there will not be enough space on a planet for all the evolutions and modifications of them.

A universe full of dogs...

Species like the human could be limited in its extrapolations, but I believe that cultural protection could lead to new stable developments, and that's the vision I'll encourage for the new reality, because being capable of dealing with unreproducible differences among ourselves may be a criteria to become competent as a creator species, or to deal with extraterrestrials in sense.

Yeah, creator species associate themselves with their creations, minimally, anybody worthy, just don't forget they do moralism stuff, they have straight principles, and are super good.

For now we are very much too racist for that.

And you can't fight it since half the time the racists and sexists are the ones trying to pass for the victims in hell; evil against evil with good sandwiched in the middle.

What are you...

It's like manipulators trying to do the victims to encourage the situation and gain social advantages, or who cry for practically nothing, and this is a big problem because if we bow to them because of media holy babblers, then they could end-up untouchable and they may cause grave problems to the whole human species, particularly if they're incompetent on important aspects. And that's an aspect of the cultural view of the new reality I'll encourage; those who can't stop the hypocrite racism and sexism hate will be in troubles, because it's all a matter of good and evil and principles, and it is on that aspect that we should select, and the most important aspect is caring for life and others and differences.

Now, on-off things are rare concerning life, remember that I see genetics mainly as factors on a line of -100 to +100. So everything is kind of like that if it involves life in the universe, the middle line or the middle point, even the life reality I'll design is not made of precise laws that thou shalt not break, but there are limits...Planetary bodies are under many such "variables" limits, and since the UI made life systems, then I don't know why some life systems wouldn't be made automatic action-reaction to the weight of things developing on its body, it can be water stuff, air, greenery, species, even principles; living planets could react and change from what's going on with Gaia's senses (global intelligence). You could even have specific planetary actions dependent from the way its ultimate form of intelligence acts with reality; different values of forces could be related to actual principles; any way we act could be memorized to enter in a systemized process of influence upon all kind of variables. Evidently, I'm stretching the possibilities elastic a bit far, but it's still worth mentioning that personal stuff should always be out of these effects.

That may be beyond knowing, but the conclusion is always the same; there is nothing wrong acting good, we have every justification doing it, and it cannot cause our extinction, and it's supposed to be fun in the right environment, while we reap loads of fears and paranoia acting evil or wrong, so people who fear or want to fight these possibilities are probably defenders of evil because you cannot be scared of such things if you believe you, or the reality, is truly globally acting good and fair. You understand that? Even with all the wrong things I did in my life, I'm happy in my spirit, I don't fear, I defend all the good stuff, there are many intelligence around me and I'm glad they're here, I don't fear them, so who will have a problem with how I like things here? I guess a whole planet of countries divided unfairly in violence and competition to take as much as possible, with ridiculously rich people and ridiculously poor people, so yes, maybe you have reasons to fear anything else than your "gods" and divas...

It is easier to be happy in hell when you don't care, only seek entertainment, ignore, or stay innocent, the less happy ones are the ones that build their live from truth principles, those who really care to understand and become fully developed humans.

Now, if the human is made to be appropriate for a single environment, then it will never develop another form since it fills his space, but the problem is that we morph reality tremendously, we make our space, so our evolution is as much limited from lack of a stable environment (too quickly changing) as it is ready to explode to better fit those stable environments we make (100 to 1000 or more years), and since the whole universe is available as a space to us, then we may branch to many forms, and the other aspect is the life that comes along with us that will finds new spaces too. We don't do well on both aspects, how are we supposed to grow life diversity if the most valuable developments (complex animals and insects) are disappearing? And the same for our vision of human development, our ways with multiculturalism, and our vision of god in human image that is tremendously limited too, so no new development should appear since we think we're "perfect" as we are, only small mutations and intra species morphing to fill necessary diversity needs, if we don't compete these to elimination, in which case we'll just cumulate new sicknesses. And yes there are many models that may work for the same environment, but we change the environment to fit our selection too, and such models may not be necessary, or we may have filled their space, or we may be on a quest to pay a price too, like if we killed a variant of ourselves that could have changed our civilization before too late, missing the necessary skills and mentality to skip problems (that can be violence), and the same can apply to limited pyramidal philosophy condemnations which can make a civilization impossible to steer in a different direction because of pressure selection.

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The other thing is that we are totally different in our living ways, abilities and goals than animals, so we should not compare ourselves to animals too much, even if we're all interrelated; we don't act, we don't think and we don't evolve like them. Humans are worth so much unconscious life, our signification so great that we can decide if the planet, sight and imagination beyond what any animal can see, live or die. We can't act unconsciously knowing that, and we are automatically associated to any valuable spiritual concepts, if we don't exist what is there? We have to defend anything that make some sense and give value to our lives and life.

We're good at that around here...

And talking evolution, there are many things that can become a genetic strength or weakness, make a selection and encourage it for 5000 years... But you know I prefer environmental selection (limitations) as a principle, because what we select is still dependent from that for stability and evolution, if not, you can only guess how your selection or genetic manipulation will end-up in the long run; you may need a 100 000 years to find a sure path of dealing with genetics since life need more than a thousand years to start expressing the full extent of a new expression, so your quick successes can eventually blow back in your face as failed placebos...

Placebo blow...

All the testing is mainly done through reproduction, and evidently, tons of accidents happens, then there is the fact that transformation and reproduction of modifications don't always happen in their ideal window of time, and window of best integrity too, versus probable lifetime. As an example, the lowest evolving potential is a person who gained independence momentum (18) and started to reproduce immediately, that would just help survival. For life to transfer and develop better ordered and with better integrity, forming stronger and better destinies, the ideal is to be a full adult that care for itself, in love with an adequate partner, both well developed and for good goals in an appropriate reality. But you are still within a temporary window; don't wait at 60 because you'll have lots of degraded stuff. And if the new stuff is a bunch of pills, you'll do worse than anything because you'll falsify everything with a dependence, the same if you acted stupid or evil all along. Neutral all along, or mediocrity, is the equivalent of making children at 18, but cumulating problems as much as advantages, depending on the ways of reality. All that makes many modifications different in importance, emplacements and effects, and you need a will too. Even if there are activities all life will like, in the end, a lot of all this comes down to which individual developing which modification will try reproducing it long enough before a conflicting factoid pressure things differently.

F...f...

These differences may take all the way to a thousand years to start developing, and these will mostly be negative in this reality, because of the emphasizes of competition, and with the attitude of those who took the means presently, we'll forever be in a reactive situation, and genetically speaking, that's very far from the ideal scenario, since it's a matter of the environment, or reality, in big part. So when those who took the means will start to care, it will be because they're becoming evident, probably reflecting grave problems in reality, and the way I see genetics and a lot of developments become irreversible because they're always a bit useful, they won't become garbage, too late, forced environment, wrong path we'll have to live with it, another sickness, another inefficiency, and yes, humanity can live with it, find a solution to it, but it's more troubles, more conflict in our heads and thus our lives since a lot of such problems come from conflicting principles, bad attitudes, sex competition, some emphasizes like profiting, until the day will come where the reality will crumble under inefficiency of all kind, including the weight of medication.

You're wrong, this reality have no noble (global) positive consciousness goals, it works from pressures and laws, it will just continue to keep a vast poorer population that works a lot as some sort of efficiency power that profiteers and manipulators will use to their own ends.

For now, the biggest bag of doubtful ingredients have just been thrown in the stew by the profit machine; overload of gregarisation, overload of chemicals, meds, genetic mods, genetic defense, disinfectants, antibiotics, detected garbage data (wave), etc. All this is being ingurgitated by life, and the actions from 50 years ago are only beginning to be noticed in the short living life systems. You won't care or even notice one person having a difficulty or even mutation on the whole of earth population; you will when it starts to be widespread. Playing with molecules, chromosomes and DNA like unconscious children could destroy critical memories, things so subtle we'll never notice before having thousands of years of more advanced tech. Globally, the effect of playing self-inflated gods with life will slowly degenerate its bases like cancer; you'll probably be past half your life before seeing the effect of breaking little things in your body from smoking, the body here is Gaia and the accumulation of breaking up little undetectable things in a chemical soup will incapacitate molecular possibilities which, as I'll explain later, is associated to luck and survival. All in all, the more you play against life principles, particularly in a temporary or inadequate environment, the more you grow limitations, and the more you risk wrong development, or irreversible ones. At the extreme, using Gaia as a dump we may end-up globally sick in a thousand years, maybe incredibly far earlier if we stuff 100 cigarettes at a time in its mouth instead of one.

While eating Doritos...

So that makes everything a mind thing that must be controlled as soon as a fully independent intelligence can potentially work reality in all its aspects. The hormonal or pheromones out of control thingy many people "love" so much to believe controls us, has nothing to do here, it's part of a whole process that, in an intelligent species, can be used in sexual arousal and that's it. At the start, in little microbes and insects, these things are big; a hormone molecule means going crazy fucking everything that moves (reproduction), but as soon as a little independent brain grow, then it starts making choices, and the bigger the brain the more choices are important and meaningful, until you have independently working consciousness that is so far beyond you can reflect on destructive and constructive attitudes. And there, everything ends-up decided by thinking want it or not. Mainly from pressures as of now, a lot from PMBBD on masses, where such things are learned in youth like television in front of babies. Tremendous amount of thinking have already been invested to decide your choices in your place, since the unconscious path contains the choices. The only way out of it for a species like us is to find a path that will lead us to make our ideal environment and reproduce in a way as to increase our value. So, yes you can use your hormones and pheromones to justify actions that you decided by thinking, if you want it you can say you're worse than a microbe and make of "fuck-all free for all" the philosophy about what you think of your mind...

Are you sure your humor is allright?

Yes, you didn't already forget information circulates everywhere in all kind of ways for life senses didn't you? Many species are encoding themselves from our successes and failures right now, many will have the opportunities to develop human properties or capacities or skills that will develop through the next hundreds of years, always becoming nearer to the human, in some very limited ways, so we should try to be exemplary, not just for our evolution, but for all those senses around too, and as you're beginning t know, the path we should follow is not made of precise "thou shalt not!" laws, they are attitude, ideology, understanding and goals laws that you must generally follow to be worthy of the "investment".

The wheel of self-sacrifice for energy to fuel evolution.

Entropy too, where everything ends up destroyed unless life develops a species like us. The ultimate inhalation may take place anywhere along our path to a high gravity body, but once there, if you can't escape it, then you're dusted; dust to dust, but it means more than a cadaver becoming dust after lots of time. This dust agglomerates and will help form new low life. You can say we are so far from getting there that's not worth thinking about, but it is just the extreme form the dust to dust principle takes; the earth may crack open all of a sudden, from pollution and overheating and life will fail because we spent most of our energy running to entertainment or encouraging ego people and manipulators, our examples we admire and work no end for, like Kardashians or politicians and their competition games, instead of acting and changing to stop the process. And don't think that's stupid, the earth may have passed many millennia without being heated that much, and don't forget that when the north pole will melt, heat will hit lower where megatons of methane ice is, methane which has the same effect than CO2, and we may all die because the environment will go to extremes we won't survive. Or we may exploit a critical resource to emptiness to make trophies and gadget while condemning humanity to rot on earth until a cataclysm happens, we can stay right where we are to end up as dust.

To me thing are even more grim when I hear media people act like the climate mess has always been there and it is normal, and this goes all the way to publicists manipulators, not only newsmen, you get ads these days selling stuff to protect us from climate instability, like it's normal, we are used to climate instability, business as usual... I guess it's normal that profiteers and manipulators use this climate craziness as an opportunity for more profits, it may be subtle, people don't care about such details, as they don't care filling their minds (life) with bullshit, the truth is that I'm supposed to be a Canadian, and I've never seen these climates in my life so leave me alone with your autosuggestion manipulations, like we're as good as New Yorkers who's seen it all, so eat this soap that kills bacteria, but protected, you know, my ass micro biomes, like everybody knows what that is, sorry if my skin is a single biome and not a Minecraft terrain, I've got intestine flora though, they say, the experts, and I expel roses I guess...

Thanks for the intervention

You're welcome...

Eh, me I like to see a galaxy as an incredible hybrid of life, matter and information. What is there in the universe that is greater than a galaxy? Nothing we know of, so everything is played there, we have to make everything, all our philosophy, work inside a galaxy as much as we can. How does matter works? Life? information? It must all work by itself, so for me it's an automatic process, each galaxy a different structure for life, not directly imposed, but randomly from the ways the universe was made. It is evident to me the universe was meant for life and that there is a knowledge building process, but if life systems can create humans, what does it has to learn? What is its goal? What it is doing when it is at a point of making survival and exploration scenarios out of itself? So we're probably just barely touching all what's there to attract our curiosity, and if we want to keep on being a part of this, we'll have to understand and follow its laws, since they are made of self-preservation knowledge. We must help it in its goals, by deducting what is possible to us inside its laws. Sure that I'm no scientist, but from my vision of things and how my opinions developed, then I say we are incredibly limited in our vision, retarded is more like it, and it is not with the current mentalities that we'll succeed in space, like doing space tourism before we're even on the moon, what will you carry around in space? Tourists? What's your plan and vision for life in space? Star trek? The same exemplary stuff we're doing on earth with life and intelligence?

Supposing we make a vessel, what should we carry in our travels with life?

Our true history and knowledge, memory, our systematization evidently...

We'll have to bring that life we are destroying to extinction for a bad start, that life that gave us existence, that sacrificed all over the place for us, and it's not because the dinosaurs all died in a cataclysm that it mean we can kill all life in a cataclysm and we are gods, but I'm just messing around with evil... We'll have to carry more than the life we're dependent from, for a start, and some wild animals we appreciate, seeds for everything, and throng of insects of all kind and genetic possibilities. No need to carry the earth diversity, evidently, even if it is our strongest attachment, our birthing ground and base. We colonize to systemize our own survival; a lasting civilization, with a vision of environmental possibilities as I already explained. When that's guaranteed, we find friends if we can. We'll have to systemize to go to the unknown, where life is not, where there's something strange, we're not tourists that visit every planets to seek orgasms, and neither do we need to become a race of self-inflated competitive traders or diplomats; any interstellar able race have every necessary skills to trade and do diplomacy by its own. If we find an alien, we try to associate to have fewer limitations, go farther, faster. Life can take its time in a galaxy, it is nothing beside time outside galaxies where you'd need some speed to have an effect. We can have loads of fun doing all that, why not? Cheaters? We can take or make planets for ourselves, but we shouldn't condemn planets that can bear advanced life like us, we can even contribute to make some if we can, and nothing wrong with making it a specialty if we are associated or resourceful enough. But a life bearing planet becomes an independent thing when a star traveling species appears on it, which can make such a place its home.

Big plans...

You don't need to pass your time trying to impose your selection to a planet, you make a planet life friendly in a system by leaving on it a human systematization that permits it, or you can even let life do its work for a long time, you can come back to help a local species to develop higher consciousness potential or abilities and beyond that it's really touchy. You can watch but it must prove itself as a friend of life with star travel ability before you contact it to associate as equals but different in skills or abilities. Now, don't stress yourself, unless you're in a "delicate" situation, like at the start of your existence, take it easy, have some fun and entertainment, time is long in the galaxy. Try to get, and help attain, the "gist" of the system before setting your eyes farther, like attaining the golden age of it by the association and systematization of things for millions of years of stability in strong high tech structure building capacity and ease. You never abandon your home until the sun dies, if the solar system will take the hole, your new home will be the galaxy. You don't systemize things to build a fantastic construction power then leave everything to destruction because you think you've seen something wow, new or better, you never stop keeping your home alive, someone may visit someday and you'll be there, strong and ready, whatever for a banquet or war.

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As long as the galaxy exists and life is on our side, we have no reasons to disappear, unless an extraordinary event or discovery happens. We should still be careful with illusions, and our systematization priority is always the battle of good vs. evil.

Yeah, you don't systemize while your mind is being infiltrated and twisted by evil. You have proof of bad intent? You have proof of systemized unfairness? You have proof of mass PMBBD? You witnessed how badly they treat life or others? There are all kind of ways you can discern evil attitudes, you're an adult? Then you got to stand for things, we can work with all kind of high consciousness, but nobody have the right to exploit others, to make them inferior or slaves, to assimilate them, to be evidently unfair to them, whatever the way it is done. We have everything, every tool to do everything we want while being good, in happiness while having fun at it, we can develop systematization for evil or good and that's a choice.

I think I explained my view well enough, but maybe I should add some more details about high consciousness; it requires lots of life sacrifices, in all kind of way, be it just limiting it, it's an exception to life "automatic" laws, it contains and uses tools you wouldn't leave in the hands of a hardly controllable independent species, but life would go nowhere without independence. No species can contain or deal with the information of life systems, whatever the size of its brain, so you get a big set of heavy deductive tools instead, that way you can reach the same kind of conclusions "quickly". And life must take form by itself in a galaxy, by the limitations and random factors imposed to it, including its own, then the chances are slim for a Gaia to reach galactic expansion, only a very few civilizations will reach such a state.

We'll do it...

We could still be alone...

One way or the other we'll probably become gardener of life, helping different potential high consciousness species develop while being careful not to let ego overwhelmed races thrive. But for that they already have the universe to set the hurdles, we can just make things safer for life in the galaxy, and that's enough to guarantee survival, unless we start doing stupid things, then you'll raise enemies or someone else will be very happy to take your role. For now if we want to have personalized species we'll have to manipulate existing species with all kind of trick or selections, or squarely invent them through bioengineering, but this way of doing things may not give the most precious life, apart us, which is wild life ecosystems; you'll mostly get dependent "closed circle" life. It lowers our global score as a life caring species a lot when we eliminate wild life ecosystems on our planet, without taking into account temporary mistakes that may grow back different wild life, or even environment modification if new wild life can grow back in it. As long as it exists we are a whole with all life, and we're not worth much if we only grow dogs, cows and genetic potatoes...

No.

The same if we are to colonize other systems, we must bring some of our culture with us, our mother earth is this culture, it wants to hybridize with other planets, it is a living thing and we are a part of this, not gods that dwell in nothingness. The earth is not something that we must eat; it is from this planet that we grew; eating it will make of us a cannibalistic species to destroy.

What do you suggest?

We don't have to exaggerate, but a few boxes of seeds from our plants is a must, some animals too with an emphasis on species that can branch a lot, in fact, the classic view of an interstellar colony vessel is good, better as a reusable thing.

I believe there are other ways to reach stars, a solar system is a motor, maybe gravity acceleration devices are possible, gravity gearings, gravity wheels, or gravity unfolding? I don't know, but if you have a body on which humanity can live on for million years, maybe Pluto, containing all what is necessary to quit and land on a planet in another system, then maybe you can use tremendous, unbelievable for now, powers to kick such a planet out of the solar to simply be caught by the gravitational force of another system, and as long as you plant a successful colony on that system, it was worth it.

Whatever the size of an enterprise, accidents can happen though, particularly if you're trying a first; you can do everything to make it the best you can, but it's still an experience, what will you do if for 4000 years you've been exchanging heavy news and suddenly everything blows-up to bits? In the current mentality, I wouldn't be surprised if the truth ended-up falsified, that's always a big possibility when the means or decisions are in the hands of a few select people.

Funny, you'll still be exchanging news happily for a hundred years before witnessing the end that already took place. As you watch the tragedy unfold, you'll send messages knowing you can do nothing about it, you don't know if your communications are still worth it, you may be communicating to nothing. Imagine the drama; it would hurt badly. Such a project is extraordinary, and for people who like to grow things out of proportion in hype, they will be satisfied like never in the history of humanity. A voyage like that will transcend humanity; it will dimension it in time, you'll be fascinated, a far away adventure of people living alongside you all your life, but ahead of you in time, and I'll bet you'll want more, who travel differently too, and friends.

There better be something to quantum science...

Life continually try to transform and use matter, that's a reason why we exist, we transform matter that life can't transform under its basic form, we will use it to reach other stars, but where its basic form can work is at a scale we cannot. Meaning, we cannot work with all steps or form of matter because it would invalidate the universe, life is meant to work in association to many form levels, in fact, if we fail, it is not us that fails, it is solar life. An entity that knows it is in some kind of race to succeed at something, that it is under time limitations and many other limitations, it may know it is giving a one shot tentative at life. Every "sun" (solar system) in the galaxy will try its own tentative, most are not capable enough to create something like the earth, some will fool around too long with bizarre planets until it is too late, ours may succeed at something extraordinary or fail on the verge of success, but that's how it is, you do your best with what you have.

As for us, we should be glad to be existing and capable of changing for the better, and the worst we can do is condemn everything to death by a systemized limitations we made.

To last you need to be good, you must contain evil as a fundamental function, you must be armed to the teeth for it, you must discern it and be the first to fire, but don't think only ammo counts, intelligence is everything. For now, we are globally evil, eh eh eh eh, even if we work hard and fill our brains with lots of bullshit, but we still got all the necessary potential, at the crossroad. Still, no two suns is the same, there are intelligences that will successfully escape as evil, there are others that will do it as good but will revert to evil later.

It is the UI that decided life had to exist, everything exist for life and for us; life which is us, life which is our whole system. We must work with it in mind, be in harmony with its quests, nothing is greater than life for us. This earth is our home for as long as the sun doesn't end or it doesn't reach a black hole, and skipping such things, if possible, is better. Yet, the human species is the reproductive form of the solar extrapolation, we are supposed to make other such planets as our earth, we are its spermatozoids that will fly away in interstellar vessels, and it would be cool we didn't fail reproducing too often, particularly at the beginning. Many other systems will be very happy to help us if we are good, but we should be careful around those that got an earthlike planet developing high consciousness, that's why we must make sense and help without making ourselves prominent if that's what we want.

We're the man...

Our whole system is a work of the sun, an investment, a sacrifice, a life system with changeable aspects proportional to intelligence type, from microbes to Gaia or Gods that can influence extreme life systems which may deals gross liquid matter forms at a planetary scale. They cannot deal with black space for sure though, but they may have an effect on air, water and lava following the view where the earth got all its functions involved in one life system or another. You can easily see the whole planet as a single transformation system, and I believe there are extraordinary processes in there, just don't think you'll see gears or a computer; it's your usual matter mixing; at the extreme you may find some interesting structuring and layers, for memory, for processing with effects leading to environmental changes, it may be limited to magma interactions too. Something like that, there is nothing to say that things are not arranged to have intelligence control some earth functions, like manipulating simple core functions mechanically, like speed or direction of spinning, and a simple way it could be done is by interlocking magnetic fields, a layer where a flow of matter is circulating over the core may work too. Maybe you can even grossly control continental lands by playing with magma currents, like wind under continents and those grossly move in the wanted direction. So I believe life systems could modify some things rivaled only by our imagination, they could arrange data forms in a lot of places where communication is possible, like the hard crust surface where it develops its forms to play fine with matter to reach other stars faster than as a planet.

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There is a positive pressure to start a chain of basic life when the situation makes it possible so a planet, or rock, can become more life friendly and eventually ease the will of species such as us that want to accelerate it's diversity and live more comfortably while eating less animal life. If you prefer, every species is a terra-former, they work the planet to create new condition for the coming of new species, and there is life on almost every planet because there is a species to try to transform any conditions even if these conditions will almost forever limit how many and what kind can survive.

So yes there is life on mars, stop making it big like it will be extraordinary and the world will never be the same.

Species disappearance is part of the wheel of life; they pop up or die out with the conditioning, but we still must preserve as much as we can since these are natural "safe" bases where a lot of life extrapolations can spring from. Once advanced enough, we can make our own species with our own set of conditions and limitation to accelerate or control the environmental situation of a planet, or for your own pleasure.

One of the primary conditions for life development is space, a species must have space, unless it is our domesticated animals or it went through a lot of consciousness developments. What would happen if people all fell dead?

Just disconnect the internets...

More life and more diversity to it for a time, those that have a chance to take more or better space would do, and then it would become a competition to fit. Presently, the situation, or limitations, would probably increase diversity through the effect of our intelligence on planet life. With enough intelligence in evidence, added to a fundamental independence push, as two dependent species can be eliminated (not necessarily but in principle) for a more independent one, and as there are millions of species, and as we have changed the environment, then a big morphing of life and death would take place, probably giving birth to more intelligence. In a situation without complete or strongly developed intellectual ability, it would end up the most violent, strong and big filling the space; you'd create a slow evolution wheel of ego giants and violent, which take lots of space limiting tremendously diversity and life usefulness, even if at the ecosystem scale the entropy law makes it so that there would be more potential to escape dust to dust, since a planet full of insects is farther away from escaping dust to dust than a planet full of dinosaurs. Man can increase or decrease diversity. Evidently, the wheel of time and changes advances, and the situation of diversity is totally different if you change the air or pressure or temperature mix. Yet, in the end, there are no reasons for something like the human to suddenly scratch all that.

That's why people shouldn't do hysteresis

What's that sir?

Some kind of synchronized hysteria I presume?

I mean, that's why people shouldn't go nuts for every species that appears or disappears, it's a dynamic process, a continually morphing whole filling the continually changing limits of what's possible for life on a planet, and the pressure is for associated independence by developing more complete and complex species that can fill a space more independently while associating for advanced functions to exist. With humans on the planet, everything is changed, we can do anything and make enough selection to have totally dependent pets, farm animals and plantations, but globally seen, there is equilibrium to find between our ways of doing things and the savage or natural way of life and the reward system, the line is the middle one, a simple as that.

There are many categories of life developments that can exist; each of those is worth lots of diversity, but exaggeration or lack of equilibrium takes the space of others. You got your farms animals, wild animals, insects, bacteria, viruses, trees, spores, ground carpet, human, new molecules too, pollution, all those are necessary to life development.

Actual pollution?

What's the latest price on pollution barrels?

There's no demand much sir...

Yes, life systems need to taste some, see if they can do something good from it, the same with all these molecules we are inventing, but the principle to keep in mind is that you don't pour pure acid or drink a cup of testosterone, heat must exist but not the killing type, you need CO2 but not your house full because you'll kill necessary life systems. Now, it's clear that life tasted pollution big load to suffocate, maybe it will even die out of it, but it may be working on something along with you, just don't kill it.

Don't kill it!!

Wild life with vast ecosystems without heavy humanism intervention or presence must always minimally cover 1/4 the planet, and camps and villages are not a problem to this, vast 2D cities with a condemning "marvel" are. Now, such vast ecosystems work by themselves, but our presence is enough of a pressure to accelerate the morphing of nature toward unknown new goals that will need to be expressed to give us more hints of attitudes to adopt. And that means that if we haven't directly broken an ecosystem by taking a critical space to it, making it dependent from us, or polluted life as a whole to death with new molecules, we must let the morphing take place. It means it's not the most fragile species that are the most important; it's the new ones that appear or develop because they do it while strongly "feeling" our presence, in the environment we modified. Evidently, there are exceptions like critical species we made fragile.

Since many scientists seems to have nothing better to do than making fun studies, often with doubtful methodology, maybe a few should study if insects are developing more or better systematizations; some are very intelligent, more than many people, some have almost no predators or that have cyclic transformation procedures moving them more than animals, they could become a grave problem. I'm presently stuck with an insect that got all kind of association strategies, they'll soon develop schools and hygiene the way they're going... You just don't see it in your big eye, watch them! They think.

Enough of that

It's the wheel of life, our environments have become a school, new senses, new perspectives, new life, maybe even a future competitor... Life may truly be preparing the terrain for something better if we can't stand to the truth of critical principles, or fail to be a good or happy species whatever our fantastic abilities. Life don't want liars, it works with truth; we fail to make stable truth with our principles, then we will stop evolving mentally. Life don't like depressive species either, it means death, it is a failure to fight and stand for what's right or best, it is dependence that waste life and cause tremendous troubles to others. So to me it is possible that life systems get geared toward our destruction if we lose all potential, but even then it would do things as test,

This is not the only scenario, Gaia itself may find herself inappropriate with all what it has gotten of knowledge from humanoid development, and may want a reformulation of everything under our supervision with new priorities, and since we're talking life systems, then it will probably take the form of a degenerating environment until death and a reset or a new, more appropriate mentality arise with sustainability. Now, if life really starts warring openly against us, then you'll start seeing your worst nightmares popping everywhere, be it viruses, plants, animals, or even physical cataclysms; the whole planet will slowly morph to forever more hostility if we become inappropriate.

Is there a progress bar or something?

Some insects look like they could be incomplete or stagnated aliens...

I may have gone a little far concerning insects.

I always like to observe insects, they take their business so seriously...

Not aliens looking like insects, but beautiful aliens like us, they just look condemned.

Maybe we'll meet their extrapolations on another system or galaxy, or if we change the environment, probably not.

Or maybe they're like reincarnations bits of failed high consciousness species that went through the matter filtering procedures of the universe, they went through afterlife as a whole life entity (different than individually).

Let's see, even if the useful information has been transferred while the system was viable, the planet could remain a container of information after extinction. All life systems work together, not against one another, so the data will not seek its own elimination, more like the contrary, it would seek to preserve itself to help other life systems, or the galaxy, or the UI. Once the surface is almost devoid of life, information processes slow down to an eventual stop, it may remain there for a long time, but the matter will be made useful again. Surface matter of planets too is a form of information, and it's going to meet a black hole or something someday and this continual process of life memories being decomposed back to dust and matter getting blown to bits, would accelerate life development of new planets; dust data fertilizing new planets of the galaxy.

Reincarnation...Maybe you could have a galactic after planet death reward and punition system at almost no cost in energy, it depends on the type of data, like emotional data; if a vast slab of emotional memories are related to bad attitudes or principles, then it would affect some other things. Did I mention that galaxies could change from how life acts and feels within it? But I don't think it would make for an adequate mass reincarnation system, what do you think? Some science guy with his sonar machine will find that some beetle thinks he's elvis?

I'm still curious how many different insects there are in the universe...

What would life do with a planet full of insects? Life wants us, it is us it made to reach its most important goals, it will always put pressure to make us follow its best path. As for insects, they are at a smaller efficiency step, more directly connected to life transformations, so even for those that may have the potential to jump to high consciousness, they would still be a million years away from technology, million years away from fire. But maybe a lot less than I think, as they wouldn't discover fire in the same order or at the same time as us.

What's sure is that you don't want pyromaniac insects; there are many dangerous transformations that are squarely barred from developing even if those modifications, in atheism "philosophy", could have developed easily, and I'm talking about stuff that could limit all life developing beyond very basic level, so why? And maybe the key is in the pockets of life systems, just waiting to provide this burning hell so publicized by Christianity proponents... And you can eliminate the big insect brain and it changes strictly nothing to what I mean; there are insects that create light, electricity, others that grow back parts, and at their level they transform matter as energy (from food) more efficiently than both animals and humans.

But for now, all they can do is give us troubles, and we are dependent, so we are better be careful, particularly around those playing with electricity and gas.

Like big corporations...

I know these are ridiculous extremes, but life's ways are many and you never know what it got in its pockets, a guy?

The human is top worth to it, but its systems forever try to steer us with pressures of all kind even though its actions are far slower than ours. Yet, it protects its goals, ways, and own existence. Yes you can kick life a lot, the last thing it wants is to destroy you, but someday you go far enough that you invalidate its goals and become a degenerating problem or a shame by your inadequacy, then, whatever the war or competition you'll give to it, you will lose since the power of its weapons goes far beyond your wildest imagination. Furthermore, whatever it gave you direct matter morphing powers, you are still limited to earth and thus under its umbrella, or powerful grip, learning to live.

And don't think life aint got such a crazy thing in its pockets as an insect that can set the world on fire if you got insects that create light or electricity; if they don't exist, it's simply because they're moronic like a lot of people, they want to become more independent and cook their own steak for a new survival technique but they die when the BBQ go way out of proportion...

You think?

However, life is done well enough that you can easily take back your place by following its ways; it is us that life want and need the most, and it wants and need its proud top high consciousness form now, not in a million years.

Wake-up now.

Now, insects may fail under their basic step form, whatever they grow the big insect brain. Their hegemony would be the process of a failed result, but kept at its best efficiency step, meaning insects are critical for life as small insects, they fail when they become big. Still, life systems, or Gaia, could unlock many limitation they forces its species to, so insect or virus competition is not an impossibility. In a sense, a planet raising life and ending-up back in the hands of insects is ending a life cycle, or ending altogether in stagnated ecosystems without potential, like a lake without fishes, and aliens like us can do what they want there. It's probably impossible for insects to gain top capable consciousness and spread life by themselves in the galaxy, their version is automatically "out", their use is basic, they stay little options to permit more life transformation as energy or forms to fill a space. They have all kind of specific independent interrelated jobs too, like bees, most have a critical place, like domestic animals and plants have a place too, and everything. Destroy life limitations to invert or eliminate these place or critical facets of them and you may be in for some grave troubles because life feedback is never on the fly so you're in for some guessing and far reached possibilities as you make your probabilities and priorities...

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For now, whatever we do wild life will morph to include us, we must let it come at us now that we imposed ourselves, but some old species will disappear, and you don't want most space taken by dinosaurs; we'll find something like them on other planets. Not a single species is supposed to disappear because we have eaten it, and when we can make some not too expensive efforts to help some, we got to do it. New species will fill more appropriate places and we must let the morphing take place; if we protected all species that appeared through our history, there wouldn't be enough place and functioning ecosystems to keep them all alive, besides, everybody dies, whatever the bad trip you make about it. You could see it differently too; if you need more space or have too much troubles helping a fragile species that do everything to die, then you're as well put your energy on someone else, but don't forget that life is slow to take form and grow in a new place, thousands of years. If we want more life diversity, the good way to do it is to limit those that have a tendency to overwhelm others, or spread everywhere, like us, by eating them, mmm!

Bring me some wild penguin!

Wher's the place where they eat kitties?

Around the place where they don't eat pandas

Why would anybody want to eat these little teddy bears?

I bet they'll make genetic wild fat pandas that will eat everything and then they'll make bazooka safaris for some rich to hunt and taste your little teddy bears... You know how they are...

Always exaggerating firepower...

Animals are all part of an ecosystem and when there is too much of one, I eat it whatever the size of its brain or its cuteness or its skills, these are not arguments and there are no sacred animals, sorry.

You eat cute animals? Like cats?

Crudely with the skin still on.

Sounds like cruelty boss...

He would choke quick on mine I guarantee it, it's all fluff...

I was joking, and no I don't eat cats and any animal.

The ideal is to have people act as "life buffers" careful of the life we eat, eating what spreads too much as a priority, and caring for life that is in troubles.

Mr. principles...

I have a true philosophy, I'm not just saying "I don't eat meat because it is cruel" like killing is cruelty, which it is not, I explained the principles I follow to select the life I should have the right to eat, and if someday the synthetic steak comes to exist, I'll stop eating animal meat thank you.

As for selection to have domesticated animals, it absolutely must not to be eliminated, what's wrong with it is competition against wild life and overwhelming of space destroying diversity. We can make the giant cow as big as a city connected to a pipeline for 24/24 endless production, the giant everything since we like competing wild life with think giant with a property, probably that's exactly what "growers" would want to do with humans, select some specimens for "cultivation", make forever taller and bigger giant penises with a tremendous spermatozoid count...

Well said, that last part...

I mean, your giant production must not invade wild life's smaller but more equilibrated, and better to the taste, production, particularly if you strengthened the species with genetic pesticide, fungicides and insecticides for perfect and big production that brings tons of profits, since the protection may be temporary; you may end-up in 100 year having to update your stuff by adding forever more genetic toxins to protect your boosted modifications, and who will win? Nobody, a lot of wild life may die at the hand of godly species, maybe temporary at it, overwhelming everything, added to "bio" pesticides and fungicides and insecticide and stuff, and the ecosystem of insects and microbes and mush can die in the sanitized toxic giant stuff we made, and without wild life, we die too. Sure that whatever it does life will lose against bad use of intelligence, particularly if life is already weakening and giving us chances after chances because it sees our capacities. As I already explained, a lot of this giant super production may exist solely for a quick few hundred years profit, sustaining an overloaded planet and leaving behind an incapacitated wild life stuff that's been existing for 1000 to 100000 or even more time, these small strawberries have been through a lot, they're the true superior stuff, the continually winning form, and they're the highest quality at it, they preserved their "whole", and they did it without our fertilizers and boosters.

I passed my youth collecting and eating small things and what's on the market simply can't compare with it, but I see nothing wrong growing them as big as a fist if they don't take over, because life is not a competition, and think big is not the best motto, and it is definitively not the best attitude we can take with it.

But since the mentality we encouraged for human reproduction is related to competition, the system is dependent from having far too many people, because more people equals more profits and bigger food. And decreasing the number of people will crash the system and increase tremendously the debt of future people, so no way out of it. And that's without mentioning we are condemned to a forever growing difference between the high pyramid and the lower part, lowering the difference to fairness would ruin the planet immediately; we are condemned to keep a vast population of poor people, a lot squarely living in misery.

Bio science is getting good with plants you know, we just have to be careful with wild life ecosystems unless we lose very valuable stuff. Someday we'll miss dearly the life we are destroying today, it will be a long time before it will be replaced by other life.

When you'll find another blue planet, you'll be so tired of eating your lazy meat or big vegetable grown from calculations in your vessel that the first thing you'll do is kneel in front of a little strawberry or a rabbit, and not only because you could not remake something like it, but because of its forgotten value as a whole, instead of a competition of dismantled parts for superiority, including its environment.

Now, want it or not, the notion of wild ecosystems have become relative with us around; even if we left wild expanses untouched, we'd still influence those since we are an example for life, our attitudes are very slowly copied by species that can use the information, whatever it is now or in 10 000 years. Wild life and us must live together but we are all interrelated, and inadequacy is dangerous, it is our job to help life keep adequacy.

Which includes inadequate violence, I think Gaia would ultimately want to cycle out a lot of violence, maybe except for us since we are its goal, we would be inadequate if we couldn't use violence to fight evil.

For now she's a bit bent on increasing hostility...

I wouldn't be surprised to see evolution fill space anew with new wild life that is less violent, even prettier, maybe not, we're making the environment quite violent lately, for people who are supposed to end-up controlling everything... It may even be possible that species that reproduce through violence competition are meant to end-up disappearing one way or the other, from life systems pressures, which can be influenced by Gaia, for more prettiness as an example. While we should keep in mind that life makes mistakes that are far worse than any we'll ever do, species that forever need violence among themselves to evolve or survive may be condemned to fail one way or the other, with their dependent friends and ecosystems.

But we still have the monopoly of violence around here...

Don't forget that many species may have existed to terra-form the planet, replacing our job of hunting when we were not around, the energy power that could be transformed had to be grossly experimented and calculated too, under different forms, maybe dinosaurs were such a tentative, what if a growing Gaia tried to make a high consciousness species at the time? Only to end-up totally inadequate, hunting a dinosaur an impossible challenge, or getting eaten more than they could reproduce, or getting trampled in a migration, or wasting the food, or it was simply impossible without creating monsters?

Croco guys restaurants...

Dinosaurs could have been eliminated by a solar life systems to change everything for us, how about that?

You think? A combo attack perpetrated on them involving a meteor strike kind of conspiracy theory?

You think you could "command" meteor strikes?

I don't know, maybe, but that would depend on the level of the failure and if Gaia is ready to implant totally new life structuring, including animals, trees, and intelligence development, since we're talking scratching most everything in a situation where the planetary environment must be changed for the new life, and a cataclysm can help a lot toward that end, like if we wanted to add water. So while its dinosaurs "experiment" (sense of life) was invincible on earth, it just happens that some event unleashed the ideal destruction to be sure to skip dinosaurs developing again, and then everything was perfect for us, with petroleum and stuff.

So it is important that we groom wild life toward equilibrium; we don't want a species to start taking over the world, they all have a best place, and with our capacities, that's part of our job, we are supposed to take care of life. In a sense, wild life is a garden we must take care of, like all life that is a garden too, but it must stay a wild garden. Genetic cows is for human gardens. If we are to decide what and how we are, what is good and what is bad, if we limit life one way or the other, if we affect it, if it changes to fit the environment, if we know not all life can exist, that there are better and worse, then we can make the life transformation as energy process more efficient if it goes toward life's goals, which include diversity.

And I don't like the "raisin wine" philosophy, I'd trade a lot of cows, chickens and pigs for some moose steak or seals steak or partridge soup, all of which I haven't eaten for a long time; too much space is taken for the fantastically polluting and destructive domesticated meat industry. But can I complain in the face of overpopulation?

We fill a lot of space with our pets and dependent animals too, when you take everything into consideration.

Can I eat some wild meat once or twice a month? Bring it frozen, I don't care.

There are all kind of ways to produce more meat, but there's not only the meat, there is a whole philosophy behind the meat; when you eat the meat, you eat the philosophy... Since there is no Christ to make it fall off the sky to land on your plate, we should think a few seconds of that animal before we eat, it's not hard to do. And for people growing fat at the ton, you should think a little of the lost life efficiency, even if you can grow fat if you like it...

Some people say they like to be fat, you'd give them a choice to be normal or fat and they'd choose to be fat, even if their frustration sips out every cracks...

And industrials and their publicists shouldn't consider people as dumps that grows profits, whatever the culture, never use the culture argument to defend bad ways with me, it doesn't work. It should be a crime to encourage people to become fat, because once you are, it is an impossible challenge to lose it as your whole body has been morphed for it. But yes I know there is a multitude of reasons for people to grow fat, its emphasis even make it so that it bring more profits to some fat rich.

Eating is still a pleasure to me, or a way to sink some emotions or frustrations, sometimes, even a quick anti-depressive, but it eventually leads to more depression and frustrations, and knowing how everything gets displaced at the wrong places in hell, you can bet that frustration have a negative effect on many people that have nothing to do with the frustration, be it just unfair food distribution, and I kind of don't like that at all, but I won't start that path. I will add that there are people who keep their problems or frustration from spilling on others who are not the source; I respect them, it is the difference between a good attitude and a bad one. Now, how is it possible that people prefer to eat far exaggeratedly or being totally inactive in this happy full of entertainment and fun full sex reality? Is this an unconscious revolt or what? And what in hell is in the head of parents to raise fat child? Is that what we mean when we say we "love" our children? But you'll tell me it's generic, people grow fat whatever they eat or not, it's genetic magic! But I'm bad, I'm joking, a lot of it is truly genetic.

If life can do a turkey, it can make all kind of deformations that you'll pay dearly, big fat is one of these genetic changes, and there can be many more. We made hell and it is not a joke, living while you continually know that just a little too much will grow fat, I call this torture, almost everybody like to eat a little too much, our system tries to reject it, but it can be more selective and it give it a good feeling. Replacing that by fear and paranoia is quite something, and attractiveness is not like in old times at all, even if rich ugly people attract all the pretty women, I wonder why...

Anyway, we care for our cows, we arrange things so we can have a lot, then let's do it with wild life, growing its mass. And you start young, including trapping it and chasing it around some, to encourage people to actually truly pass some time doing some activities in the forest, and they'll appreciate wild life better, learn things, and they'll be happy to return to the comfort of their home.

I'll add that everybody, including women, who eat some meat, should kill what they eat once in a while, get their hands bloody, city people are good crying for trees and seals and peace and liberty, while they live in condemning vast expanses of asphalt and hardly put a foot in woods if it is not a lawn with trees not far from their car. The worst enemies of wild life are exactly our beloved cities, cities which are forever growing pyramids. And city people too, those who think life is in their screen or their dog, people who never tried to live a bit of their life through it, scared of a mosquitoes, who passed their whole life in grey polluting expanses like wild life doesn't exist, big mouth passing their time talking green in planes to give themselves an image, they are the most limited ones, the most dependent and most savage in their ways than most savage animals.

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Now, with the perfection of everything to take into consideration, we'll need some more explanation about the random processes affecting life. They are, time, area, gravity and event specific (there are more, so I'll just say "external factors") positive or negative factors applied to probabilities associated to life effects, mixing and interrelating between thousands of other effect factors all modified in such a way as to infinitively slightly alter experience, all the way to cellular comportment extrapolated to a whole living being.

You can see the final result of a chaotic processes as luck versus an ideal.

The more conscious and independent, the more responsible the species is for its actions because it affect luck by its manipulations of life. You can't be lucked and bad lucked on the same factor, life set the middle line, random processes set things, and you do with your luck versus what you want, like survival. Experience will modify the middle line if it is safe, after luck or exceptions tested it, giving new possibilities or power or adaptation capability to species, sometimes handicaps because that can work in reverse too. The middle line is set at reproduction, within random parameters, then the environment will "forces" things one way or the other through selection. If things are forced repetitively enough without conflict, it means it is permanent and the middle line of genetics will slowly adjust. Random processes modify everything concerning life, everything, even the potential of someone at controlling his person or develop high consciousness.

Random processes are more deeply involved in the birth of exceptions, and unless that exception is appreciated and accepted by its species reproducing the usefulness of the luck factor,

Like you sir...

it won't spread becoming more of a "norm" and many of those exceptions will always go through a lot more bad luck because they are too lucky to exist at it, know what I mean?

That view could be made to coincide with the very slow adaptation changes I already wrote about. But one thing not to forget is that there is a difference between high consciousness and animals on automatic life laws, we cannot just encourage any luck factors to thrive, and the worst view of it is to spread the genetic planet wide like there is only one environment, that's in part why humanity must be culturally divided, to limit the spreading of a single property that could be costly to something else.

In a limited sense it means our form was not as appropriate to our environment 10 000 years ago as it is today, and random processes permitted us better adaptation. All this is only a facet, their effects influence any possible factors touching life. It is another way to bring slow mutations to the light of the day.

The useful code for growing an existing species is a molecular pot associated with DNA. So another facet of random processes could be exposed by saying that you may need one in a trillion "random error" in genetic code to start another process that is on the verge of starting, which may be a missing piece of something already there but useless or even troublesome. Furthermore, any kind of complete functional reproduction need an initial complex and complete array of cells, spermatozoid and ovaries for us, so forget about growing a functional dinosaur society from a single cell in a bucket. Yes, maybe you'll succeed at making clones, and they will live some time depending on complexity, but you'll grow short lived dysfunctional animals that will suffer and you'll have to force them to reproduce with all kind of tools, if they reproduce at all. That's what I think, and I don't believe people who boast they're presently making clones from a single cell. I personally hate it when zoo people force animals to copulate, it feels like rape to me, I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just me that find zoos depressing.

They're nice when you're young...

I'm against cloning, but yes there are exceptions I could tolerate or that could fit my view, like controlled food production for one. For the rest, like cloned meat, I don't believe this reality only thinking of profits can do things ethically. The same for pets or zoos in the name of profits, they are out, even if it is exactly why some would make clones of animals; as pets for the rich, or to get people running to zoos. And you can manipulate with idealism and "love" of life and a good measure of liberty to get the thing slowly accepted, it will still stay a bad way to deal with life; zoos can help save species, that's the good of zoos, and nothing wrong if people enjoy along the way, and a nice vast zoo is sure a must for any culture, but people should go in the forest to see animals sometimes, particularly city people.

They'll prefer to spread cities until wild life is a zoo without a mosquitoes and a condom distribution machine every kilometer sir, some even tape themselves a TV in the face to never miss a moment of their zoo of a society...

Where?

People will go crazy if we start resuscitating dead pets, billions of animals die in pain every years because people don't think or care enough, it is an ugly industry, both in animals and food production, I say we don't need to grow and complexify it for now, even if it can eventually be acceptable to expand the diversity, in a better reality, after such new species have been proven safe, which doesn't happen after 2-3 years in the name of profits.

No resuscitating my cow that's been gobbled by that croco then?

As for people, concerning selection and luck, you encourage those who please you better through true love, no problem, you can limit those who are too costly for the use they have, no problem, if they don't accept the limit you can even incarcerate them, no problem, that's part of the ways of life, the test of understanding, you can eliminate sicknesses that increase or spread out of control that are a proven danger too. That's about the extent of direct selection we can make. We have no right to starve sane people, no right to assimilate or overwhelm them with a "superior" specificity, no right to use PMBBD to alienate them. The best indirect tool of selection you can encourage is one that follows an ideal scenario of reproduction for your species if it follows life's ways. That's love for us.

Once the species is born and reproductive, you can only find effects and influences among the total quantity of cells, and the initial effects of random processes will quickly change to reflect learning, developing skills, effect of the reality etc, etc, so it is hard to know where your good and bad luck is but let's say a view of destiny helps, which here amounts to knowing the particularities of the newborn as it grows, so parenthood and reality can help develop, repair, or worsen everything... What's more, those life effects that are already changing dynamically from minutes to minutes will get further modified by the external factors (subject, time, area, gravity...). You understand that people bashing in your total good luck while avoiding their bad luck is a bit utopist. People would have to live in a reality that permit them to become more sensible to themselves, more than sensible enough to find your approximate destiny, destiny which you understand influenced by luck. It is presently probable that someone discovers a facet of his luck expressing itself in some area of making money, in a capitalistic situation, or luck in posing, in a superficial situation, in all kind of ways appropriate to the reality of things, so it is possible for luck to be in areas that are atrophied, unavailable or simply un-existing in a specific reality; we morph to fit in, if there is an unused facet, it can become atrophied, or even disappear, like spacemen losing their strength and bone density.

I know for one that I'm bashing in a lot of bad luck in hell...

Random processes are the spice of life, and another reason they exists is to be sure no 2 things are the same and they keep changing and evolving. It can be one of many hints as to which way we should avoid to go; cloning, in-vitro reproduction from sperm stashes and the likes. A healthy, conscious, human reality that cares for its people will minimize these with an adequate love vision. In-vitro reproduction is selections based on superiority of traits, we should reproduce because we love, not to "have" a baby "god" golfer or to increase birth rate. And you can cry all you want, people have lived all history without in-vitro reproduction, and they didn't die. There must be an attachment between opposite sex adults, love, because there is an association between both parents and child that is broken otherwise.

I think there can be exceptions though, but it's probable that this reality will come to need it to absolutely persist in its wrong mentalities, and for the country competition that always need more people and rich superiors.

If science wants to help, the mother must provide the "egg" the father must provide the sperm, that's the way it must be done, not by choosing from a list which lead to an extreme form of traits selection, and the invalidity of love too. Worse than that, choosing from a list will eventually lead to industries producing clones for the rich too, because the logic door is open, whatever it is "only" a hundred years away. Cloning is not our way, whatever we won't see the difference or they grow differently. And clones are clones, they are made from identical genetic material, to me you are not making clones if it is to resuscitate a dead species while the base genetic material contains sufficient diversity and the species can reproduce by itself while expanding diversity. When I see clones, I see identical birth, and whatever they change by experiencing reality because one got hit by a truck, they are still clones and I'll be the driver of the truck.

Bad...

You won't stop progress, this reality will see advantages, profits, in having clones, so they'll try doing it while evading the question, and when people finally notice there will already be hundreds, and they'll have the same rights as everybody else, it will be too late; if you try to discriminate them, they'll built an argumentation with the help of some powerful lawyer firm or politicians that will spread the debate while there are more and they smile prettier, they'll probably end-up more protected than human beings as they'll be perfect for the ego-gods ideology that is always happy to find new ways for powerful people to feel eternal and manipulators to profit from life; that's the reason for this whole pyramidal reality, to have top unfair people who can only be replaced by the like of themselves, clones.

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As for the application of the luck or random factor, life surely can't pass its time rolling dices, and basic division difference is probably too insignificant, but any alternative or cyclic matter properties can be used to obtain a random variable, which is applied as you make your construction. So luck is dependent from the random processes of matter.

For a different point of view, you could see genetics as a matter of pressures, or influences, there may be 3-4 intervening pressures play, and randomness as one of these, there are all kind of possibilities here, too many so I won't talk about them. But aberrations in life are limited by having an upper limit and a lower one, it imposes diversity and rare extremes. Instead of going straight ahead, you have the possibility to steer. Instead of being neutral, you are exceptional. Luck brings possibilities of exceptions, it brings possibilities where there should be none, it modifies probabilities where there is no way to modify them, and it gave birth to life.

It's easy to look only at one random facet and say it doesn't work like I will explain, but a number stamped on a ball is not a random number, the balls just fell and the one on which this number is written just happen to be the one to fall, numbers have nothing to do with it in that situation except add a weight of atoms for the paint, even if numbers and letter have significations, maybe even an effect by their sole sound, variable from one language to the other, but let's not exaggerate, that can only be from sound. What I mean is that a random machine is limited by laws, like gravity, and collisions that you can calculate, and you can only predict some facets of the result from the limitations of it you control, like predicting there will fall only 7 balls because you limited the machine to that extent, but whatever you do, you can't recreate the same result unless you limit the machine to produce the result, like limiting the machine to one ball, you can recreate the same result as a number because the machine is limited to one ball, but even at that very low step, it would be almost impossible for that single ball to go through exactly the same chaotic scenario of falling, and even if you think all the balls are the same, they are unfairly divided because you didn't count the atoms, and they fall in an order.

Nothing is absolutely chaotic after all...

With an exception evidently, everything is set by all the laws of something else, which makes it so there are all kind of different chaotic processes at play that is never the same. Like for the ball machine results; it will probably be forever impossible to repeat it.

Too big a cheat, but you got the roll of history somewhere around...

For the universe, you'd need all your history's variables, life, every letter you typed, your memory, your dreams, every variables would have to be found, which is impossible to say the very least. So, you don't learn to copy a result, you learn to make it better, and science should continue working on that before trying to copy life, explore its possibilities further, seek to make it better, and not only for profits. So it is impossible to recreate most random results, what you learn is how to create random results, and not only reset ones, dynamic and continual developing ones, and someday you'll know so much about all the different random processes (chaotic processes for purists in the know) attached to different time values that you'll be able to mix yourself a long lasting species, and probably far more. The man that first threw the dime didn't count its atoms; he needed a random result and took the means. What is the random result you need or want to create?

Computerized random number mixer formulas are not always the best because they are based on a mathematical clock formulae that can be easily manipulated or influenced or bugged, so it is easy for those making the numbers to cheat, and who will know?

I've played games almost from the beginning, and I have seen very mediocre random generators, some excellent ones, and cheats of all kind too

The best random generator is still good old human hands with equilibrated dices or lotto balls are excellent too, but that's too limited. So, the ideal of random generators for now are temporary ones, one appropriate to certain things while not for others which will need a different one with different goals and limitations. Ultimately ridiculously speaking, you could know sufficiently to end-up, in your random generator quest, generating galaxies...

Galaxies should do...

And while it's generating you plant the seed of life...

It would means you know the limitations you need to play with not to bust everything in unfairness, we could say that at that point you are possessed by, or you have impersonated, life and you are one with the universe (UI), and you don't need to be alone for that. We may not be meant to reach that point either, or we may need to do spiritual business for success, but we'll still need to do unbelievable things and meet unbelievable life and associate in our endeavors...and be unbelievably patient, and we'll need a systematization that will permit it.

As for life, we'll need to study random (chaotic) processes found within the limitations of life and matter, what are and where are the levels and limitations of them, to what extent can we deduct things from them, what they are related to, what influences them, what affects life. Anything random looking has a source, why or what? Looking because life intercepts the result on the fly with its senses. Even the possibility that random processes exist for us to find a best use of those must be explored. That's what we've always been doing with life, manipulating its random processes (chaotic for connoisseurs...), and us too, what I call pressure selection, but you're starting to have an idea of what attitude to have with such things.

Planets too do big chaotic processes, some powerful and limited by action-reaction laws, and you wouldn't want those to wipe us off, and yes that include environment random processes which we've manipulated so much for ourselves that we're ruining everything for it, but if sensible people don't take the cake because they fear to eat it, ignorant and self-inflated people will eat it whole without an afterthought and you'll be the poor bastard that cries that things have gone to hell.

I will add that we should not confound unconscious effects with luck. My life is an example of that, I got a tendency to fall in all kind of troublesome situations, so much it's ridiculous, and for a big part of my life I saw it as extreme bad luck. It has been a real trauma, even a danger to my life, until I understood life and the mind a lot better. But even then I'm still prone to fall into troubles, instinctively, (different than willingly). The price I paid for this is loss of self confidence in many aspects of my life, I do stupid mistakes that don't fit my style, particularly around people, for trying too hard sometimes, for not being what I should be versus my inability to explain my complexity, often in social superficial or competitive grounds where I have no place.

Your place is love...

Yes that, and I understand that's how I work, and I would call it a candor conflict. But I would develop it as something positive to me and others, so I can survive my own learning curve, I know it's like a force of introspection that pushes many people to better themselves, and what's nice is that you can use it and make life and love far more interesting. Still, the fact remain that if you fill a room with nice things and ugly things, then close the light, I'm sure I'll walk in all the ugly while never touching the pretty, maybe I'm exaggerating, and some minimum of light may be a requirement, but how can you explain that? Bad luck is the easy answer, but is it? My whole life is like that, it's really scary when I think about it, it's the persistence, the vastness, and the transformation. I have come to the conclusion that there many factors at play. First I had to start lower in life which can be seen as bad luck, but now I see it as being removed a lot, or not being given much, to be given the capacity to gain a lot more if I don't depress. Another facet would be a job or destiny thing, in the sense that I must not fear talking about the ugly, and what doesn't pleases me, if I'm to have any sort of worthwhile effect at affecting reality toward my ideals. Destiny is in the sense that it is an unconscious drive coming with the job that I felt pressured to do in all kind of ways all through my life. Finally, I'm a mentally sane at my place, what I mean is that at the top of the energy chain, I must take care of life, which is a principle that I understand profoundly. You can see it as proportional to how much you care too, not only about life, but generally. So I kind of unconsciously fall in troubles because I'm at the top, and the higher the more troubles, and as life I'm attracted to all what I hate because I represent life, because I care more, and it is my job to fight for what I care for, proportionally to the argumentation I develop, its interrelated logic, as affecting me emotionally too.

Wow...

The problem with that is that there is too much in this reality, in a sense people never understood the principle in their competition.

If we don't want to stagnate or frustrate life and intelligence in a revenge situation, including people, we should start caring for life presently, but then, if enough people do it, we'll be left in a competition of who can deal with the biggest problems, the weed in the garden will be systematically taken care of.

Isn't that nice!

So people that care as much as me shouldn't end-up intertwined in small or bitching troubles or end-up alone, or without love or affection, or living in an unsecure environment, without communication or contact like I'm not even in a civilization, and I shouldn't even lift a finger with the kind of help I get, particularly if I'm stuck getting angry for the type of evil incompetence I attract by my style. If I do pass my time submerged in your problems, of a reality that I reject, it's because people with an inflated opinions of themselves live a too easy life or don't care, and me I reap tons of troubles because I care a lot and people didn't take their responsibilities, or they don't care enough. And I mean in all facets of life, we are life, everything related to a human is about life. You can see it as a job emphasis too, my job is to take care of bigger problems, I shouldn't waste my time doing menial work like stepping in the dog shit of my neighbor and having to clean my shoes, and when you do big, everything must become proportional as long as things remain fair. So after dealing with big problems I should take a big break in entertainment, not clean the dishes and cut my finger, the dishes problem should be the job of someone that has a lot more to learn from living and life than me, and that shouldn't be my girlfriend, other principles are involved with love around, which may include me cleaning the dishes...

Finally, you can tell me this is all crazy but maybe you shouldn't discard everything a person with the consciousness pedal to the metal has to say because of your assumptions that what doesn't fit your scientific "standard" must be attacked to elimination, particularly if it is told by a TV guy. Maybe we should make less of a paranoia about the form of the messages from our consciousness and attach more importance to the sense in it. Today's standards and limitations, even if a majority of them are good, mostly come from the reality we made for ourselves. And while I have nothing against standards and limitations, they limit our vision of the future, our options and acceptable actions too.

That's about it

I should mention that "Lift-Off" is like the suite of this chapter, there I'll explain many crazy things about the intrinsic of the universe and gods and the big bagn and anti-matter and all kind of science stuff in relation to physics and life.

For now the next chapter, "Systematic Magic" is very different from this one, it will mainly deal with what revolted me initially.

It will be my place to play in good and evil matters too, so it won't be super pretty; if people explaining why they hate things are bad to you, you better skip it, the same if people expressing their opinions vehemently are extremists or terrorists. The same if having ugly opinions is a synonym of ranting or pessimism.
