BALLOT FOR THE ELECTION OF THE 
LEADER CONSERVATIVE PARTY ARE AS
FOLLOWS.
IN 4TH POSITION, DEEPAK OBHRAI.
WITH 139.9 POINTS.
>> Peter: SO YOU'RE CLEAR, THEY 
ARE STARTING FROM THE BOTTOM 
POSITION.
SO DEEPAK OBHRAI WOULD HAVE 
FINISHED LAST ON THE FIRST 
BALLOT.
THEY'LL WORK THEIR WAY UP TO THE
TOP.
>> IN 13TH PLACE, CANDIDATE 
ANDREW SAXTON, 169.94 POINTS, 
.5%.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN 12TH PLACE 
RICK PETERSON WITH 220 POINTS, 
.65%.
>> Peter: NO SURPRISES HERE, 
THESE WERE EXPECTED TO BE NEAR 
THE BOTTOM.
>> IN 11TH PLACE, KEVIN O'LEARY,
1.07%.
>> Peter: KEVIN DROPPED OFF THE 
BALLOT, DROPPED OUT OF THE RACE 
A MONTH AGO.
>> IN 10TH PLACE, CHRIS 
ALEXANDER.
[Speaking French]
WITH 379.1 POINTS AND 1.12%.
IN 9TH PLACE, STEVEN BLANEY, 
1.26%.
[Speaking French]
IN 8TH PLACE, LISA RAITT.
1,027 POINTS, 3.34%.
IN 7TH POSITION, KELLIE LEITCH.
2,366 POINTS, 7%.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN 6TH PLACE, 
PIERRE LEMIEUX.
2,495 POINTS, 7.38%.
IN FIFTH PLACE, MICHAEL CHONG.
2,552 POINTS, 7.55%.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN 4TH PLACE, 
BRAD TROST.
2,827 POINTS, 8.35%.
IN THIRD PLACE, ERIN O'TOOLE, 
3,607 POINTS, 10.65%.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN SECOND PLACE, 
CANDIDATE ANDREW SCHEER.
>> Peter: THIS IS GOING TO BE 
REALLY INTERESTING HERE.
BECAUSE MAXIME BERNIER IS BELOW 
THE 30% FIGURE.
>> IN FIRST PLACE, MAXIME 
BERNIER.
>> Peter: JUST UNDER 29%, SO WE 
HAVE A RACE HERE.
HE'S GOT A SPREAD OF ABOUT 7, 8 
POINTS.
>> WITH THAT, NO CANDIDATE HAS 
RECEIVED 50%.
>> Peter: ON ANDREW SCHEER BUT, 
IT'S VERY INTERESTING LINEUP 
HERE.
THE SURPRISE IN THE TOP FOUR 
TROST JUST UNDER 9%, HANNAH 
THIBEDEAU IS TALKING WITH HIM.
>> LET ME JUST START AGAIN ON 
THIS.
HOW DO YOU FEEL WITH THE 
PLACEMENT?
>> Interview: COMFORTABLE.
YOU KNOW, I KNEW GOING IN I WAS 
A LONG SHOT.
I HAD BASICALLY NO ENDORSEMENTS,
JUST A VISION AND A PLAN, AND IT
LOOKS LIKE I'LL FINISH IN FOURTH
PLACE, WE'LL SEE HOW LEMIEUX 
VOTE, WHO KNOWS?
SO QUITE HAPPY.
I STOOD FOR WHAT I BELIEVED IN.
I DIDN'T HAVE TO COMPROMISE.
AND I BROUGHT MY PEOPLES' VOICE 
TO THE TABLE AND FOR THAT I AM 
GRATEFUL.
>> Reporter: I SAW YOU HAD YOUR 
HAND OVER YOUR MOUTH.
>> I WASN'T SURE, THIS IS WHAT 
THE POLLING DID SAY LATE.
SO, YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT.
>> Reporter: WHAT IS THE NEXT 
THING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR?
>> WE'LL START TO SEE WHERE THE 
NUMBERS MOVE AND SEE IF THE GAP 
BETWEEN MAX AND ANDREW GROWS OR 
SHRINKS.
LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, IT'S DOWN
TO BERNIER AND IT'S GOING TO HOW
THE LOWER TIER HAD MOVES.
MAX DOESN'T HAVE AS BIG A LEAD 
AS HE THOUGHT HE WOULD, BUT HE'S
PROBABLY AHEAD BY ENOUGH THAT 
HE'S FAVOURED AT THIS POINT.
>> Reporter: BRAD TROST, THANK 
YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> Peter: THANKS, LET'S GO TO 
CATHERINE CULLEN WITH ANDREW 
SCHEER.
>> Reporter: HERE WITH ANDREW 
SCHEER, IT IS HARD TO HERE, 
THERE IS A LOT OF ACTION, BUT 
YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WHAT 
DOES IT MEAN?
>> LOOK, I'M VERY PLEASED BY 
THAT.
TO HAVE SUCH A GOOD SHOWING.
AS WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BETWEEN 
TWO CANDIDATES, MAX AND ME, 
LOOK, HE'S GOT A HEALTHY LEAD ON
THE FIRST BALLOT, BUT THERE IS A
LOT OF OTHER NUMBERS ON THE 
BOARD THAT COULD BREAK OUR WAY 
ON THE NEXT ROUND.
SO REALLY IT'S UP TO HOW THE 
MEMBERS RANKED US.
WE KNEW NO ONE WOULD WIN IT ON 
THE FIRST BALLOT OBVIOUSLY, AND 
FOR US WAS TO KEEP THE GAP 
BETWEEN MAX AND ME AS SMALL AS 
POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE 
COMPETITIVE.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A FEW
MORE ROUNDS TO SEE A BIG LEAD 
EMERGE OR SEE WHO HAS THE TREND.
>> Reporter: WHEN I LOOK AT THE 
LOOK ON YOUR FACE, I HAVE TO SAY
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WON A MUCH 
BIGGER GAP.
YOU LOOK A LITTLE SHAKEN UP.
>> NO, WE KNEW THERE WAS A 
RANGE.
BASED ON HOW THINGS WERE GOING, 
WE HAD A SHOT AT KEEPING THE GAP
SMALLER.
WE KNEW THAT THE UPPER END OF 
THE RANGE WAS BIGGER.
WE KNEW THERE WAS A SCENARIO 
WHERE MAX HAD A BIGGER LEAD ON 
THE ROUND.
LOOK, THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF 
WHERE WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT END 
UP.
WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE A 
NIGHT LIKE THIS, WE'LL SEE WHAT 
HAPPENS.
>> Peter: WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS
IS RIGHT.
LET'S GO SEE WHAT ERIN O'TOOLE, 
FINISHED THIRD, MADE OF ALL 
THIS.
>> Reporter: THANK YOU, PETER.
I'M HERE WITH ERIN O'TOOLE.
LET'S GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS, 
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, LOOK, WE'RE HAPPY.
WE WANTED TO BE 3RD OR 4TH 
COMING OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND.
CLEARLY, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN 
POLITICS HALF THE TIME ANDREW 
AND MAX, SO WE THINK WE'RE WELL 
POSITIONED.
MAX DIDN'T HIT THE 30 CEILING.
THERE ARE PEOPLE I THOUGHT WOULD
BE HIGHER UP AND PEOPLE THAT 
OUTPERFORMED WHAT PEOPLE 
EXPECTED.
THAT SHOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE 
WORKED THEIR TAIL OFF.
I WAS AT A LOT OF EVENTS WHERE 
ONLY CANDIDATES LIKE BRAD OR 
MICHAEL CHONG SHOWED UP AND IT 
SHOWS, AS A COMEDIAN SAID, 80% 
OF LIFE IS SHOWING UP.
>> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE IN 
THE NEXT ROUND?
>> IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE.
I WAS HOPING THERE MIGHT BE A 
BIGGER RESULT ON THE FIRST ROUND
FOR PEOPLE LIKE LISA.
I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT.
LISA WAS MY SECOND VOTE.
SHE HAS TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE.
I WAS HOPING SHE WOULD BE 
HIGHER, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE 
WELL POSITIONED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ON CAPE BRETON 
ISLAND ARE PUTTING ME AT NUMBER 
TWO, BUT WE SEE A ROUTE HERE, 
BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS 
ON MICHAEL CHONG'S CAMPAIGN AND 
I GET ALONG WELL WITH EVERYBODY 
IN KAURKS -- CAUCUS.
>> Peter: HERE'S THE LINEUP 
AFTER THE FIRST BALLOT.
AND IT SHOWS YOU THAT BERNIER IS
AT THE TOP OF THE BOARD, HE'S IN
FIRST PLACE, BUT HE DID NOT GET 
THAT OVER 30% FIGURE THAT A LOT 
OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT.
ANDREW SCHEER, JUST UNDER 22% IS
CLOSE.
HE'S, WELL, SEVEN POINTS REALLY 
SEPARATING THE TWO.
AND THAT'S -- THAT WOULD BE A 
LOT IF BERNIER HAD BEEN IN THE 
30s, BUT HE'S NOT, HE'S IN THE 
20s.
THIS COULD TAKE A WHILE, BUT IT 
ALSO, THIS IS FAR FROM CLEAR AS 
TO WHO IS GOING TO WIN THIS 
RIGHT NOW.
KEEP IN MIND THE NEXT BALLOT 
WILL BE A SERIES OF THEM 
ANNOUNCED AND ALL COUNTING HAS 
BEEN DONE.
THEY KNOW THE RESULTS.
THEY'RE GOING TO STRETCH IT OUT 
A LITTLE BIT.
10-15 MINUTES MAX BEFORE THE 
NEXT SERIES OF BALLOTS ARE 
ANNOUNCED.
SO THIS IS GOING TO MOVE FAIRLY 
FAST IN THE NEXT HOUR.
YOU GET A SENSE OF THE MOVEMENT 
OF PEOPLE AS CANDIDATES DROP 
OFF.
DEEPAK OBHRAI DROPS OFF THIS 
SECOND BALLOT, BUT THERE WILL BE
OTHER BALLOTS ANNOUNCED HERE.
WHERE NOW?
OK, LET'S HEAR WHAT PIERRE 
LEMIEUX HAS TO SAY.
HE'S TALKING TO HANNAH 
THIBEDEAU.
>> Reporter: THANKS, PETER, 
PIERRE LEMIEUX NOW, YOU'RE ONE 
OF TWO SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE 
CANDIDATES ON THIS AND I'M 
SURPRISED A LITTLE BIT THAT YOU 
CAME BELOW BRAD TROST, DOES THAT
DISAPPOINT YOU?
>> IT'S AN EXCITING EVENING, 
IT'S GREAT TO WATCH THE RESULTS 
COMING IN AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE
CAMPAIGN, BOTH BRAD AND I WERE 
SPEAKING THE LANGUAGE OF SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES AND REINFORCING 
THAT FAITH-BASED VALUES AND LIFE
VALUES ARE A FORCE WITHIN 
CANADA, THEY'RE A STRENGTH OF 
THE COUNTRY AND THE PARTY AND 
WE'RE SEEING THAT IN THE RESULTS
BECAUSE WE BOTH PLACED WELL IN 
THE VERY FIRST COUNT OF BALLOTS.
I THINK THERE IS LOTS OF 
EXCITEMENT TO SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO MOVE UP AND DOWN THE 
LIST AS VOTES MOVE AROUND THE 
TABLE.
>> Reporter: PLAY THIS OUT IN 
THE NEXT ROUND, HOW DO YOU SEE 
IT?
>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS 
AND I DON'T EITHER.
YOU KNOW, THAT DECISION RESTS 
WITH INDIVIDUAL VOTERS.
VOTERS HAVE MADE THEIR OWN 
DECISIONS IN TERMS OF WHO THEY 
ARE PLACING NEXT ON THE BALLOT, 
I THINK WE'RE ALL EXCITED TO SEE
WHAT THE RESULTS ARE, MYSELF 
INCLUDED.
>> Peter: THANK YOU.
OK, ROSY, TIME TO CRUNCH THE 
NUMBERS NOW, THEY'RE 
FASCINATING, THEY'RE NOT WHAT A 
LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT, ARE WE 
LOOKING AT YOU KNOW THE NEXT 
HOUR IS GOING TO BE -- COULD BE 
FASCINATING.
>> WE HAVE A RACE.
THERE ARE FEW THINGS INTERESTING
TO ME, BRAD TROST PERFORMANCE IS
WELL BEYOND WHAT PEOPLE HAD 
EXPECTED.
IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY HE
FUNDRAISED THERE IS NO EVIDENCE 
HE WOULD HAVE THIS SUPPORT, BUT 
HE DID.
IT'S TELLING BECAUSE THE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVE PART OF THE PARTY 
REMAINS STRONG AND WANTS A VOICE
AND THEY'VE CHOSEN IT THROUGH TO
THE MORE RADICAL CANDIDATE, WHO 
IS BRAD TROST, EVEN MORE THAN 
PIERRE LEMIEUX.
DOES THAT SUPPORT NOW FLIP TO 
ANDREW SCHEER?
WHO IS SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE BUT
HAD PUBLICLY PULLED BACK ON SOME
OF THAT LANGUAGE, BECAUSE HE 
DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH PEOPLE OFF.
DOES THAT GO TO HIM?
OR DOES IT GO TO MAXIME BERNIER 
WHO AS A LIBERTARIAN HAS TOLD 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES I AM HAPPY 
TO ALLOW TO YOU PUT THINGS 
FORWARD AND HAVE A DEBATE.
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT QUEÉBEC 
SHOWS.
IN QUEÉBEC, THE SUPPORT WAS 
BERNIER AT 39.38%, AND SCHEER 
WAS 2ND AT 26.8%.
THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING AND 
THAT ALSO SHOWS YOU A SPLIT 
BETWEEN SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO 
GET RID OF SUPPLY MANAGEMENT AND
SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS IS GOING 
SHAKE DOWN.
IT IS NOT AN EASY WIN FOR 
BERNIER.
I DON'T THINK IT'S OFF THE 
TABLE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A 
LOT HARDER THAN WE THOUGHT.
>> Peter: AND YOU COULD KIND OF 
SEE IT ON HIS FACE, HE HASN'T 
SPOKEN YET, AT LEAST NOT TO US.
MANY OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES 
HAVE, BUT I THINK BERNIER MAY BE
SHOCKED BY THE NUMBERS.
>> TOTALLY.
>> Peter: I WANT TO GET EÉRIC 
GRENIER'S THOUGHTS, OUR NUMBERS 
GUY, WE'RE FINALLY GETTING A 
CHANCE TO SEE HARD NUMBERS OF 
WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
WHAT IS YOUR ANALYSIS OF WHAT 
WE'VE SEEN?
>> YEAH, I THINK FOR MAXIME 
BERNIER, THE FACT HE'S BELOW 30%
IS A LITTLE WORRISOME, BECAUSE 
ANDREW SCHEER IS AT 22%, A BIT 
HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED HIM TO 
BE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES MORE PROBLEM 
FOR MAXIME BERNIER ARE THE 
COMBINED TOTALS OF TROST AND 
LEMIEUX TOGETHER, THAT'S 16%.
IF THAT GOES TO ANDREW SCHEER, 
HE COULD MAKE SERIOUS GAINS, 
WHEN SOME OF THE OTHER 
CANDIDATES DROP OFF.
IT'S INTERROGATORY LOOK AT 
HOW -- INTERESTING TO LOOK AT 
HOW LITTLE OF THE VOTE IS 
SEPARATING.
YOU HAVE TROST THAT HAS GOTTEN 
UP TO 4TH PLACE, BUT HE'S ONLY A
COUPLE OF POINTS AHEAD OF SOME 
OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES.
THIS IS A NUMBER WHERE BERNIER 
IS STILL IN RANGE, HE'S NOT OUT 
OF IT, BUT NOT AS CLOSE AS HE 
HAS BEEN.
THAT NUMBER IN QUÉBEC IS WELL 
BELOW WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE.
>> Peter: THE QUEÉBEC NUMBER ISA
REAL SURPRISE.
>> YEAH, FOR ANDREW SCHEER TO 
PICK UP THAT SUPPORT, IT 
SUGGESTS THAT HIS POSITION ON 
SUPPLY MANAGEMENT, MAYBE SUPPORT
FROM THE PEOPLE BEHIND BLANEY 
THAT HELPED HIM.
WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF HE GETS 
SECOND CHOICES, BUT FOR MAXIME 
BERNIER TO BE EIGHT POINTS AHEAD
OF ANDREW SCHEER, IT'S 
COMFORTABLE, A LITTLE BIT, BUT 
REALLY NOT AS COMFORTABLE AS I'M
SURE HE WANTED TO BE.
>> Peter: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU AFTER THE 
NEXT BATCH OF NUMBERS.
LET'S BRING IN THE "AT ISSUE" 
GROUP, ANDREW, ALTHIA AND 
CHANTAL, WHO HAVE GOT SOMETHING 
REAL TO CHEW ON.
CHANTAL, YOU START US.
WE'VE MADE A POINT IN BOTH ERIC 
AND ROSY TALKING ABOUT THE 
QUÉBEC NUMBERS AND THE FIGURE OF
39% FOR BERNIER BEING PERHAPS A 
SURPRISE FROM QUÉBEC THINKING 
THAT HE WOULD GET HIGHER THAN 
THAT?
>> AND IF THAT DOESN'T RISE, IT 
COULD COST HIM THE LEADERSHIP, 
AND IF THAT HAMS, IT WILL BE 
BECAUSE OF SUPPLY MANAGEMENT.
BUT I AM NOT SAYING THAT HE IS 
NOT GOING TO BE THAT SECOND 
CHOICE OR THIRD CHOICE FOR OF 
THE QUEÉBECERS ON THE BALLOT.
THOSE COMMITTED TO ANDREW HERE, 
WILL REMAIN THERE.
SO IT PLAYS ITSELF OUT BETWEEN 
QUEÉBECERS SECOND AND THIRD 
CHOICE AND SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES 
AND HOW MANY OF THEM MADE SECOND
CHOICES BECAUSE THERE WAS TALK 
ABOUT SOME OF THOSE CAMPAIGNS 
TELLING THEIR SUPPORTERS TO NOT 
MAKE CHOICES BEYOND THE FIRST 
CHOICE.
WE WON'T KNOW THAT FOR A WHILE.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER NUMBERS IN 
THERE.
I KNOW THE HORSE RACE IS 
FASCINATING, BUT THE KELLIE 
LEITCH RESULT IS REALLY A 
RESPONSE TO HOW THE MEMBERSHIP 
FELT ABOUT HER APPROACH TO 
IMMIGRATION, TO THE VALUES ISSUE
AND I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD 
PROBABLY MAKE HER NOT A FORCE IN
THE PARTY GOING FORWARD.
I THINK THE LISA RAITT PEOPLE 
ARE HEART BROKEN OVER HER SCORE.
>> Peter: WHEN EWE TALK ABOUT 
THE QUEÉBEC NUMBERS, IT SHOWS I 
ALBERTA THAT BERNIER HAD THE 
HIGHEST NUMBER, 36%, O'TOOLE, 
10, AND SCHEER JUST UNDER 24%.
INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY
DID PICK ALBERTA AS HIS SECOND 
TURF AND HE'S NOT DONE BADLY 
THERE.
HE PROBABLY WISHES 35 WAS THE 
OVERALL.
>> WE SAID EARLIER, THE TURNOUT 
IS GOING BE CRUCIAL AND THE 
STORY OF THE FIRST ROUND IS THE 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES SHOWED UP.
THEY HAD, THEY'RE MOTIVATED 
VOTERS.
THEY'RE WELL ORGANIZED.
IT WAS SURPRISED TO SEE TROST 
AHEAD OF LEMIEUX, BUT WHAT WAS 
REALLY A SURPRISE WAS TO SEE 
BOTH OF THEM IN THE TOP 6.
LEMIEUX'S VOTES GOES TO TROST 
AND THAT A SIGNIFICANT SECTION 
OF THEM GO TO SCHEER AND THAT 
LOOKS LIKE A CLOSE RACE.
 MAXIME BERNIER IS NOT 
ANTI-ABORTIONIST, BUT HAS TOLD 
THE CAUCUS, YOU CAN TABLE 
WHATEVER YOU WANT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW INFORMED THE 
VOTERS ARE INTO MAKING THAT 
CHOICE, BUT THAT WILL BE VERY 
TELLING, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT PICK
THE NEW LEADER.
>> Peter: WOULDN'T THAT BE 
INTERESTING, THEY MAY WELL.
LET ME BRING THE PANEL IN HERE.
MICHELLE REMPEL HAS BEEN 
THROWING THINGS AT ME TO GET IN 
ON THIS.
WHAT IS YOUR TAKE?
>> I THINK THE POINT THAT JUST 
CAME UP ABOUT TURNOUT IS SO 
CRITICAL.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE 
WHAT THE ACTUAL FINAL TURNOUT 
NUMBERS WERE.
THE POINT ABOUT MOTIVATION TO 
VOTE I THINK IS REALLY VALID 
HERE, PEOPLE MAY HAVE SIGNED UP 
FOR MEMBERSHIP, BUT IT'S ABOUT A
CANDIDATE'S ABILITY TO GET 
PEOPLE, EVEN GO TO THEIR HOUSE 
AND SAY I'M GOING TO HELP YOU 
FILL THE BALLOT OUT, LET'S GET 
IT INTO THE MAIL.
THE NUMBERS ARE REFLECTIVE THAT 
SOME ARE BETTER ORGANIZERS THAN 
OTHERS.
IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO 
SEE HOW SECOND AND THIRD AND 
PERHAPS FOURTH AND FIFTH PLACE 
CHOICES CANDIDATES THAT ACTUALLY
MOTIVATED THEIR VOTE TO GET OUT 
ON THE FIRST BALLOT REFLECT INTO
THE FINAL NUMBERS.
IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE.
>> THE RAW NUMBERS I THINK WILL 
BE A LITTLE MORE INSTRUCTIVE AS 
THEY WILL BE IN THE REGIONAL 
BREAKDOWN.
IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGES, YES
SOMEONE COULD HAVE A HIGH 
PERCENTAGE AND THE SPREAD 
BETWEEN 7, 8, 9 IS NOT THAT 
SIGNIFICANT, BUT THERE IS NO 
QUESTION THAT SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES CAME OUT IN FORCE.
WHAT IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE ON 
THE FINAL VOTE, AGAIN I THINK 
IT'S TOO EARLY TO TELL.
AND THAT MOTIVATION FOR SURE IS 
THERE.
WE'VE ALWAYS SEEN IT.
YOU ONLY HAVE TO SEE A PRO-LIFE 
RALLY ON PARLIAMENT HILL TO KNOW
HOW MANY SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES 
THERE ARE.
AND LET'S BE HONEST, THEY ALSO 
EXIST IN OTHER PARTIES.
THERE WERE PEOPLE LIKE JOHN 
McKAY AND OTHERS WHO ARE VERY 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR 
VIEWS.
SO THEY ARE PART OF THE CANADIAN
MOSAIC AND THEY'RE VOICE HAS 
BEEN HEARD.
>> Peter: THEIR VOICES WILL KEPT
BEING HEARD IN ALL OF THE 
FOLLOWING BALLOTS.
THEY VOTED ON ALL OF THEM.
>> THEY WILL INDEED AND HOW THIS
PLAYS OUT IN THE FUTURE IN 
PARLIAMENT IS ANOTHER 
INTERESTING QUESTION, AS TO 
WHETHER VOTES ARE ONE THING, 
WHETHER LEGISLATION, PRIVATE 
MEMBERS BILLS BECOME MORE 
PREVALENT IN PARLIAMENT IS 
SOMETHING TO WATCH.
>> Peter: WHOEVER WINS TODAY 
WILL FACE THE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS ON MONDAY.
>> INDEED, HE WILL.
>> Peter: AND THEY'LL HAVE COME 
OUT OF A CONVENTION WHERE THEY 
PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE, AND PERHAPS
A MAJOR ROLE IN WHO ENDS UP IN 
WINNING AND THEY'LL WANT THEIR 
PIECE OF THE ACTION.
>> THERE IS DRAMA HERE THAT WAS 
NOT EXPECTED.
>> Peter: ALL RIGHT, KEVIN 
O'LEARY, YOU MADE THE BOLD 
PREDICTIONS YESTERDAY, YOUR 
NUMBERS NOT QUITE THE SAME AS 
WHAT WE ENDED UP SEEING.
WHAT HAPPENED HERE?
>> THE BIG SURPRISE FOR ME WAS 
WHAT HAPPENED TO KELLIE LEITCH.
CRUNCHING NUMBERS HERE, THE 
TROST MOVE INTO 4TH BLEW ME 
AWAY.
THAT'S A HUGE SURPRISE AND THAT 
MAY BE TWO ISSUES THAT HER 
MESSAGE WAS POISON AT THE END OF
THE RACE.
AND ALSO HER ABILITY TO GET THE 
VOTE OUT MUST HAVE BEEN VERY 
WEEK.
WHEN I WAS RUNNING AGAINST HER, 
POLLING AGAINST HER, SHE WAS 
THREE ALL THE TIME.
IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SHE 
WOULD BE IN FOURTH PLACE IN I 
WAS THE RACE, THIRD IF I WASN'T.
I WAS WRONG THERE.
HOWEVER, I'M BULLISH ON THE 
BERNIER WIN, EXCEPT IT'S NOT 
GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FIFTH, 
IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN THE
7 AND 9.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS IN 
CALGARY, HE GOT EXACTLY WHAT I 
SAID AS A PERCENTAGE, WHICH 
SURPRISED ME, BECAUSE HE'S 
STRONGER IN CALGARY THAN 
ONTARIO.
AND A LITTLE WEAKER IN QUEÉBEC 
THAN I THOUGHT, ALTHOUGH I 
SCORED NOTHING IN QUEÉBEC.
EVEN LESS THAN I THOUGHT.
I WAS AT .64.
I MEAN NOT THAT IT MATTERS AT 
THIS MOMENT IN TIME, BUT IT SORT
OF MAKES ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT MY
CHOICE TO REALIZE I WAS A ZERO.
I STILL CALL BERNIER, BUT A 
LITTLE LATER.
>> Peter: ROSY?
>> Rosy: I THINK .6 IS GOOD FOR 
A GUY WHO DROPPED OUT.
>> SHE'S NOT MY BIGGEST FAN, 
THIS IS FANTASTIC.
>> MY COLLEAGUE WHO IS ON THE 
ONLINE DESK, SENT OUT THE 
RESULTS, BERNIER'S RIDING.
IT'S FASCINATING.
BERNIER HAS 47% OF SUPPORT, 
ANDREW SCHEER, 46% OF SUPPORT.
THAT IS DIRECTLY A DEBATE ABOUT 
SUPPLY MANAGEMENT.
IF SCHEER IS GOING GROW IN 
QUÉBEC, OR GROW IN ANY WAY, HE 
NEEDS TO TAKE NOT ONLY THAT 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE VOTE, BUT 
TAKE PART OF THE AGRICULTURE.
IN ONTARIO, THAT'S WHERE PART OF
THE STORY IS, THE VOTE FOR 
KELLIE LEITCH, ONTARIO 
ORGANIZER, THE VOTE FOR LISA 
RAITT, THOSE VOTES COLLAPSED.
KELLIE LEITCH HAS 7%.
LISA RAITT HAS CLOSE TO 4%.
SO THIS STORY MAY ALSO BE THAT 
SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE 
THOUGHT WERE GOING TO PERFORM, 
LIKE KELLIE LEITCH, EVEN LIKE 
LISA RAITT, REALLY DIDN'T GET 
VERY HIGH.
THEY GOT MUCH LOWER.
>> Peter: LOWER THAN THEY 
THOUGHT, THEY DIDN'T GET THE 
SUPPORT THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD.
IT'S A VERSION OF -- NOT SAME 
AS -- VERSION OF -- WE TALKED 
ABOUT EARLIER, THE FLORA 
SYNDROME, 1976, WHERE SHE WAS 
BANKING ON A LOT OF VOTES THAT 
NEVER WERE THERE FOR HER, AT 
LEAST NOT BY VOTING TIME.
FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM THE NEXT 
BALLOT.
THEY JUST ANNOUNCED THAT.
SO THAT'S HOW QUICKLY THINGS 
WILL OPERATE UNDER THIS COMPUTER
SYSTEM.
ALL THE BALLOTS, THEY'RE ALL 
DONE.
THERE IS NO ACTUAL VOTING 
BETWEEN BLALTS.
ALL THE BALLOTS WERE MARKED ON 
CHOICES AND SO WE'LL HEAR, IT 
COULD BE A COLLECTION OF BALLOTS
COMING UP IN FIVE MINUTES, NOT 
JUST ONE, BUT A SERIES OF THEM.
SO WE'LL HEAR THAT.
IN THE MEANTIME, DOWN TO THE 
CONVENTION FLOOR.
HERE'S KATIE SIMPSON.
>> YOU WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT 
THE IMPORTANCE OF THE VOTE FROM 
QUÉBEC, I'M SPEAKING WITH A 
QUEÉBEC M.P.
TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK 
ABOUT THE RESULTS SO FAR AND HOW
BIG IMPACT QUEÉBEC IS PLAYING I 
THE FIRST BALLOT?
>> WELL, FOR SURE IT'S A LITTLE 
BIT SURPRISING BECAUSE EVERYBODY
THOUGHT BERNIER WOULD BE AROUND 
33, 35%.
SO EVERYTHING IS OPEN NOW.
THE SECONDS CHOICE WILL BE 
ELEMENT, YOU CAN SAY THIS 
CANDIDATE GOT 8% OR WHATEVER, 
THEN ALL THE 8% WILL GO TO THIS 
CANDIDATE.
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT.
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE.
THIS IS EVERY MEMBER DECIDES BY 
HIMSELF AND THIS IS WHY ERIN 
O'TOOLE IS IN GOOD SHAPE NOW, 
BECAUSE HE'S EVERYBODY'S SECOND 
CHOICE.
EVERYONE APPRECIATED HIM.
HE WAS SMILING.
YESTERDAY DID THE SPEECH.
EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
>> Reporter: NOW MAXIME BERNIER 
DURING THE CAMPAIGN MADE IT 
CLEAR THAT HE WANTS TO GET RID 
OF THE SUPPLY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM,
HE DESCRIBED IT AS A CARTEL, DO 
YOU THINK THAT IS HURTING HIM IN
QUEÉBEC AND THAT'S WHY WE SAW TE
NUMBERS?
>> WELL, IT WAS A DIFFICULT 
ISSUE TO ADDRESS, HE DID IT WITH
COURAGE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I DO
NOT AGREE WITH HIM ON THIS 
ISSUE.
THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU ARE ALONE 
ON 13 CANDIDATES, ALL 13 
CANDIDATES ARE FOR SUPPLY 
MANAGEMENT EXCEPT MR. BERNIER, 
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE SUPPORT 
SUPPLY MANAGEMENT.
IT TOOK A LOT OF COURAGE FOR MR.
BERNIER TO TABLE THAT, HE DID IT
WITH STRONGNESS AND I APPRECIATE
HIM, BUT THE POINT IS HE IS NOT 
ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS FAR AS I'M 
CONCERNED, BUT NOW LET THE 
PEOPLE DECIDE.
>> Reporter: WHEN YOU LOOK AT 
THE FIRST RESULTS, IT'S A CLOSE 
RACE BETWEEN MAXIME BERNIER AND 
ANDREW SCHEER.
ERIN O'TOOLE, HE'S THIRD, IS HE 
GOING TO BE ABLE TO CATCH THEM?
>> WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
FOR SURE, SCHEER IS CLOSER TO 
MAX THAN MR. O'TOOLE, WE 
RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT THE SECOND 
CHOICE OF EVERYBODY WILL BE THE 
KEY ELEMENT.
AND ERIN HE HAD A FANTASTIC 
CAMPAIGN.
THREE MONTHS, NOBODY PAID 
ATTENTION TO HIM, BUT HE GOT A 
LOT OF SUPPORT, BECAUSE HE HAD A
REAL CONSERVATIVE PLATFORM TO 
UNITE US AND TO ATTRACT US AND 
EVERYBODY LIKE HIM.
>> Reporter: THANK YOU.
BACK UP TO PETER.
>> Peter: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT BALLOT RESULTS HAVE 
COME UP IN JUST A COUPLE OF 
MINUTE'S TIME, IT WON'T BE JUST 
THE SECOND, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR
SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH, 
SIXTH AND SEVENTH.
SO THE VOTING RESULTS AFTER SIX 
NAME.S HAVE BEEN DROPPED OFF.
SO SIX CHOICES HAVE BEEN DROPPED
OFF.
SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
NOW HOW MUCH OF A SHIFT THERE IS
IN THE NUMBERS.
THOSE BOTTOM SIX WHO HAVE 
DROPPED OFF THE BALLOT DIDN'T 
GARNER A LOT OF VOTES, BUT 
NEVERTHELESS, THEY DID GARNER 
ENOUGH THAT THERE COULD BE 
SHIFTING HERE.
AND WE'LL GET A SIGNAL OF WHICH 
WAY THINGS MAY BE GOING.
HERE THEY COME.
>> WE HAVE WITH US THE RESULTS 
FOR BALLOTS 2-7.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: THESE ARE THE 
RESULTS FOR THE BALLOTS 2-7.
>> NO CANDIDATE HAS RECEIVED 50%
OF THE VOTE.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: SECOND BALLOT.
13TH CANDIDATE WE WANT TO THANK 
ANDREW SAXTON.
HE WILL DROP OFF THIS BALLOT.
ON THE THIRD BALLOT, 12TH PLACE,
DROPPING FROM THE BALLOT, RICK 
PETERSON.
THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: FOURTH BALLOT.
11TH PLACE, MR. KEVIN O'LEARY.
THANK YOU, KEVIN.
[LAUGHTER].
ALL RIGHT, KEVIN, YOU'VE BEEN 
THANKED.
ON THE FIFTH BALLOT, DROPPING 
FROM THIS ROUND, CHRIS 
ALEXANDER, THANK YOU, CHRIS.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: 6TH BALLOT.
IN 9TH POSITION, STEVEN BLANEY, 
THANK YOU.
>> OK, SO THE 7TH BALLOT, 
[Speaking French]
WE WILL LIST THIS ONE OFF IN 
ORDER FROM STARTING 8TH PLACE.
SO [Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN 8TH PLACE, 
LISA RAITT.
1,264 POINTS.
IN 7TH POSITION, KELLIE LEITCH.
2,516 POINTS, 7.45%.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN 6TH POSITION, 
PIERRE LEMIEUX 2,561 POINTS, 
7.58%.
>> IN 5TH PLACE, MICHAEL CHONG, 
2692 POINTS, 7.92%.
>> IN 4TH POSITION, BRAD TROST, 
2,862 POINTS.
IN 3RD PLACE, ERIN O'TOOLE, 
3,824, 11.32%.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN SECOND 
POSITION, ANDREW SCHEER, 7764 
POINTS, 22% OF THE VOTE.
AND CURRENTLY IN FIRST PLACE, 
MAXIME BERNIER, 10,313 POINTS, 
30.51%.
THANK YOU AND WE'LL BE BACK IN A
COUPLE OF MINUTES WITH FURTHER 
RESULTS.
>> Peter: THERE ARE THE 7TH 
BALLOT RESULTS.
YOU'VE DROPPED OFF SIX OF THEM.
AND THERE ARE THE NUMBERS THERE.
SO EVERYBODY HAS GONE UP A 
LITTLE BIT.
MAXIME BERNIER NOW CROSSES OVER 
THAT 30% LINE.
WHICH HE WAS HOPING FOR ON THE 
FIRST BALLOT, IT TOOK HIM SEVEN 
BALLOTS TO GET THERE.
HE IS 7.5 PERCENTAGE POINTS 
AHEAD NOW OF ANDREW SCHEER, 
WHICH IS SLIGHTLY MORE ACTUALLY 
THAN HE WAS AHEAD AFTER THE 
FIRST BALLOT, SO HE'S INCREASED 
HIS LEAD, BUT JUST A TINY 
PERCENTAGE AND HE'S A LONG WAY 
FROM 50%.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A LITTLE 
HARD TO GO THROUGH THOSE TEA 
LEAVES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY 
MANAGE THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE 
SEEN THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY
MEAN IN TERMS OF SIGNIFICANCE.
LET'S HEAR WHAT ERIN O'TOOLE HAS
TO SAY TO HANNAH THIBEDEAU.
>> Reporter: THANK YOU, PETER, 
SO NOT A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THE 
POINTS THERE, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, KIND OF INCHING UP THE 
TOP THREE PEOPLE ALL WENT UP THE
SAME SORT OF AMOUNT.
THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF POINTS 
AVAILABLE, SO I'M GLAD WE 
ROCKETED THROUGH A FEW ROUNDS.
I WOULD HAVE LOVED THEM TO KEEP 
ROCKETING THROUGH, END THE 
SUSPENSE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE 
HOPING TO DO WELL WITH THE 
ONTARIO M.P.s.
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF US FROM
THE GREATER TORONTO AREA, WE'VE 
BEEN FRIENDS FOR MANY, MANY 
YEARS, KELLY WAS AT OUR WEDDING 
YEARS AGO, SO WE'RE HOPING TO BE
WELL PLACED IN THOSE ROUNDS AND 
HOPING THAT PEOPLE KEEP VOTING, 
NOT JUST FOR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE.
BUT THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT 
WASN'T JUST TODAY AND YESTERDAY.
SO WE'LL SEE, WE THINK WE STILL 
HAVE THE PATH, BUT WE NEED 
BOUNCES AND WE'LL SEE PROBABLY 
NOT EVEN THE NEXT ROUND, BUT 
ONCE WE GET INTO PIERRE AND 
MICHAEL, THEN THERE IS REAL 
MOVEMENT, WE CAN MAYBE SEE A 
PATH.
>> ERIN O'TOOLE, THANK YOU VERY 
MUCH.
>> Peter: THANK YOU.
BEING PRETTY REALISTIC ABOUT HIS
CHANCES.
>> I REALLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT 
NOW.
>> MAXIME BERNIER IS TELLING 
CATHERINE CULLEN.
NOT TOO MUCH.
[LAUGHTER] FLX ALL RIGHT, GOOD 
TRY THERE, SORRY WE COULDN'T GET
TO YOU EARLIER ON THAT.
BUT MAX BERNIER IN THE LEAD, BUT
IT'S TIGHT.
IT'S VERY TIGHT.
AND ROSY, LET'S CUT YOU OFF TO 
GO TO O'TOOLE.
>> Rosy: TWO THINGS, THERE WAS 
GROWTH FOR BERNIER, SO IF HE'S 
WORRIED THERE IS NO GROWTH, 
THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE A LITTLE
BIT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ENOUGH.
>> Peter: A TINY BIT, BUT GROWTH
IS BETTER THAN NO GROWTH.
>> Rosy: I WOULD SAY THAT ERIN 
O'TOOLE, IF HE SEES A PATH TO 
VICTORY, IT MIGHT BE DELUSIONAL.
I DON'T THINK 11.3%.
>> HERE'S THE ARGUMENT, IF THE 
ONTARIO CANDIDATES HERE COALESCE
AROUND O'TOOLE, IT'S JUST A 
THEORY, THE NUMBERS DO START TO 
ADD UP FOR O'TOOLE, BUT I THINK 
THIS IS GOING TO THE LAST BALLOT
AND THERE IS GOING TO BE THREE 
PEOPLE ON THE NAME AND THE 
QUESTION BECOMES THAT THIRD 
PERSON WHO IS SORT OF HOLDING 
THE POWER, THE WEIGHT, WHERE DO 
THOSE PEOPLE DISPERSE?
>> Rosy: THE MICHAEL CHONG 
SUPPORT, HE MIGHT GET IT, BUT HE
MIGHT NOT.
IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE HE'S FROM 
ONTARIO HE'S GOING TO GET IT.
I'M NOT SURE HE GETS THE KELLIE 
LEITCH SUPPORT, HE'S INCREDIBLY 
DIFFERENT.
>> I DISAGREE, I THINK A LOT OF 
KELLIE LEITCH SUPPORT GOES TO 
ERIN O'TOOLE.
THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN NOVA
SCOTIA.
>> Rosy: THEY MENTIONED THAT, 
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING
IN COMMON.
>> YOU CAN'T MAKE UP 20 POINT 
DELTA.
THERE IS NO WAY.
>> I DIDN'T GET THE SENSE THAT 
PEOPLE WERE VOTING BASED ON 
REGION IN THIS ELECTION.
LIKE I DIDN'T GET THE SENSE THAT
IT WAS WE NEED ALL THE ONTARIO 
PEOPLE, OR WE NEED ONTARIO 
PERSON, IT WAS MUCH MORE ABOUT 
ISSUES.
SO I DON'T GET A SENSE THAT THE 
MOVEMENT HERE IS GOING TO BE 
BASED SOLELY ON GEOGRAPHY.
>> Peter: KEVIN, WHERE DID YOUR 
VOTES GO?
>> I VOTED NUMBER ONE FOR 
BERNIER, NUMBER TWO, DEEPAK 
OBHRAI AND THAT'S ALL I VOTED.
>> Peter: I DON'T MEAN YOU 
PERSONALLY, THE NEW MEMBERS THAT
YOU BROUGHT IN.
>> I KNEW THAT.
I CAN GIVE YOU THE DATA FROM THE
137,000 LIST THAT I HAVE POLLED 
AT 8,000 SO I ONLY HAD .9% 
ERROR, 52% HAD MADE BERNIER 
THEIR NUMBER TWO.
THAT'S WHY THE MOVE TO BERNIER 
IN MY VIEW, AND WE'RE NOT DONE 
YET, GUARANTEES HIM THE WIN.
>> Peter: DO YOU KNOW IF THEY 
VOTED?
>> WE MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT 
THE SAME PERCENTAGE VOTED.
SO IF I'M 52%, IF HE GETS 21% OF
THOSE OF MINE WHO DID VOTE, HE 
WINS IN THE 7TH.
NOW I'M LOOKING SAYING HE'S 
MISSING 3% OF WHAT I THOUGHT HE 
SHOULD HAVE AT THIS POINT, SO 
IT'S GOING TO THE 9TH.
BETWEEN THE 7TH AND 9TH.
I'VE GOT THIS DATA, HAD IT FOR 
MONTHS, BUT AT THE END OF THE 
DAY THAT O'TOOLE IS GOING TO 
PICK UP 20, NOT A CHANCE IN 
HELL.
>> I THINK ROSY NAILED IT.
I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHERE JUST
ON WHERE THE RANKING IS RIGHT 
NOW.
DEPENDING ON WHERE BRAD TROST, 
LEMIEUX VOTERS GO.
IF THEY GO TO ANDREW SCHEER, I 
THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE 
ANDREW.
AND I THINK THAT IF THEY HAVE 
INSTRUCTED THEIR VOTERS TO GO TO
BERNIER OR SOMEWHERE ELSE AND 
LET THEM VOTE, THEN THERE IS A 
PATH.
BUT I THINK YOU GOT IT EARLIER.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT 
THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO.
AND O'TOOLE VOTERS, TOO.
>> Rosy: YOU KNOW, THAT'S A 
PROBLEM FOR THE PARTY.
>> IT EXPOSES A FLAW AND KEVIN, 
YOUR VOTE, WITH RESPECT, WAS A 
FLAW, BECAUSE YOU DID NOT VOTE 
ALL TEN, YOU VOTED TWO.
AND IF PEOPLE IN A LEADERSHIP 
POSITION ONLY VOTE FOR ME, DON'T
VOTE FOR ANYBODY ELSE, THAT'S 
DEPRIVING A LOT OF THE INTRIGUE.
>> HISTORICALLY ONLY 20% OF THE 
PEOPLE VOTE ALL TEN.
NOBODY DOES THAT.
>> IT'S NOT A SPOILED BALLOT IF 
YOU ONLY PUT ONE NAME DOWN.
>> DID YOU VOTE FOR ALL TEN?
>> NO, I DIDN'T.
>> SHAME ON YOU.
>> COME ON.
BUT TO PETER'S POINT, THERE 
IS -- THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY 
OF PUTTING MORE PEOPLE OUT 
THERE, SO IF YOU HAD CAMPAIGNS 
THAT YOU WERE SAYING JUST PUT 
ONE, THAT WILL MATERIALLY IMPACT
THE OUTCOME OF THIS RACE, RIGHT?
>> WHY WOULDN'T A CAMPAIGN SAY 
JUST PUT ONE?
>> I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, I TOLD 
EVERYBODY TO VOTE FOR ONLY ONE 
PERSON, ME.
>> BECAUSE, KEVIN, IF YOU'RE 
GETTING INTO THE RACE TO PUSH A 
SPECIFIC ISSUE AND YOU'RE 
THINKING I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING 
TO WIN, BUT I WANT TO POSITION 
SOMEBODY ELSE WHO CAN --
>> I WASN'T THINKING THAT WAY AT
THE BEGINNING.
>> -- OR HAVE A PLACE IN SHADOW 
CABINET.
>> BUT PROPORTIONAL 
REPRESENTATION BREAKS DOWN WHEN 
PEOPLE DON'T VOTE MORE THAN ONE.
>> Peter: GOT TO STOP YOU.
TO THE FLOOR.
>> THE DIRECTION OF THE PARTY'S 
POLICY ON THE ENVIRONMENT, I 
BELIEVE WE HAVE TO HAVE A 
CONSERVATIVE POLICY TO REDUCE 
EMISSIONS.
I PRESENTED ONE THAT ALLOWED TO 
US CUT INCOME TAXES, BUT 
SOMETIMES IT TAKES TIME FOR THE 
MESSAGE TO GET THROUGH.
I THINK ABOUT THE 1982 
CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RACE 
WHERE CROSBY RAN AS A CANDIDATE 
AND FOUGHT FOR FREE TRADE AND IN
A PARTY THAT WAS RESOLUTELY 
OPPOSED TO FREE TRADE, BUT BY 
1988, BRIAN MULRONEY REVERSED 
THE PARTY'S POSITION AND THE 
PARTY WAS PRO-FREE TRADE AND WE 
NEVER LOOKED BACK.
THE PRICING OF CARBON IS AN 
ISSUE LIKE THAT, I BELIEVE 
THAT'S THE FUTURE OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
>> IN TERMS OF LOOKING FORWARD, 
WHERE DO THINGS GO?
>> I'M GOING TO SUPPORT WHOEVER 
BECOMES LEADER.
I'M HOPING WE CAN STILL GROW AND
WIN THE LEADERSHIP, BUT IF NOT, 
I'M GOING SUPPORT ANYBODY WHO IS
THE LEADER.
I'M A FIVE-TERM CONSERVATIVE 
M.P., I BELIEVE IN MY PARTY AND 
WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR THE 
CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT.
>> WHO IS YOUR SECOND CHOICE?
>> NO, I'M NOT GOING TO INDICATE
MY SECOND CHOICE.
I SAID THIS FROM THE BEGINNING, 
I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN BACKROOM 
DEALS BETWEEN CAMPAIGNS TO PICK 
SECOND AND THIRD CHOICES.
I BELIEVED IN THE AUTONOMY OF 
GRASSROOTS MEMBERS TO MAKE THEIR
OWN DECISIONS AND I RESPECT 
THEIR INTELLIGENCE ON THIS.
[Speaking French]
>> Peter: MICHAEL CHONG TALKING 
TO CATHERINE CULLEN ABOUT HIS 
POSITION HERE, NOT INDICATING 
WHERE HE MAY GO IF AND WHEN HE 
DROPS OUT OF THE -- WHAT HIS 
SECOND CHOICE WAS.
ÉRIC GRENIER JOINS US ONCE 
AGAIN.
HE'S THE NUMBERS GUY.
AND HE CRUNCHES THEM IN A WAY 
NOBODY ELSE DOES.
SO, ERIC, WHAT DID THAT SECOND 
THROUGH 7TH TELL YOU?
FOR THE MOST PORT IT DIDN'T LOOK
LIKE MUCH SIGNIFICANCE, BUT YOU 
MAY HAVE SEEN SOMETHING ELSE?
>> IT DIDN'T MOVE THE NUMBERS 
VERY MUCH, MATHEMATICALLY, IT 
WASN'T GOING TO.
INTERESTING TO SEE STEVEN BLANEY
DROP OFF, FELLOW QUEÉBECER, BUT 
BERNIER PICKED UP VERY FEW OF 
HIS POINTS, ANDREW SCHEER DID 
BETTER THERE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS
OVERALL AND TRY TO GAME OUT WHAT
HAPPENS FROM HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE
IT WILL BE CLOSE, LIKELY NEED TO
GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END, SO 
THE 13TH BALLOT.
AND AT THAT LAST ONE, YOU KNOW, 
IF I'M JUST DOING THE BACK OF 
THE NAPKIN CALCULATION, YOU'RE 
LOOKING AT A CLOSE MARGIN 
BETWEEN ANDREW SCHEER AND MAXIME
BERNIER.
THE NUMBERS FOR BERNIER IN 
QUÉBEC ARE LOW, BUT SHEER NEEDS 
THOSE POINTS.
HE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE 
PADDED THE NUMBERS IN QUÉBEC, HE
DIDN'T DO THAT, BUT IT LOOKS 
LIKE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT 
CLOSE RESULTS.
I THINK THE KEY IS TO SEE WHEN 
THOSE TWO DROP OFF THE BALLOT.
PIERRE LEMIEUX MAY BE BETTER TO 
GET SUPPORT FROM KELLIE LEITCH 
THAN TROST.
THAT'S ONE OF THE FACTORS.
HOW MANY OF THE VOTES WHEN THE 
TO ANDREW SCHEER?
YOU HAD PEOPLE FOR TROST SAYING 
DON'T VOTE FOR ANDREW SCHEER.
IF A LOT OF THEM DO, IT'S GOING 
TO BE GOOD FOR ANDREW SCHEER, 
BUT IF NOT ENOUGH, MAXIME 
BERNIER MAY BE ABLE TO HOLD ON.
>> RATE ATE DROPS OFF THE -- 
RATE ATE DROPS OFF THE NEXT -- 
LISA RAITT DROPS OFF THE NEXT 
BALLOT, BUT IN TERMS OF HER 
VOTE, WHERE DO YOU THINK -- 
BECAUSE IT'S -- WHAT WAS IT, 3.5
PERCENTAGE POINTS?
>> I DON'T THINK IT WILL CHANGE 
ENOUGH TO REALLY CHANGE THE 
ORDER OF THESE THINGS.
ANDREW SCHEER WOULD NEED TO PICK
UP SOME OF HER VOTES, THAT'S ONE
OF THE PEOPLE THAT HE COULD GET 
SUPPORT FROM.
THOSE PEOPLE MORE IN THE CENTRE 
OF THE PARTY MAY BE LOOKING FOR 
A SAFER PAIR OF HANDS THAN A 
RADICAL CHANGE OF DIRECTION, BUT
WE'LL SEE IF TOOL GETS A NUMBER 
OF HER VOTES, ERIN O'TOOLE DID 
WELL IN NOVA SCOTIA, WHERE LISA 
RAITT DID WELL.
IT COULD CLOSE THE GAP A LITTLE 
BIT ON ANDREW SCHEER, BUT IT 
SEEMS UNLIKELY O'TOOLE WILL BE 
MABEL TO MOVE FROM THE -- UNABLE
TO MOVE FROM THE THIRD POSITION.
>> Peter: WE HAVEN'T HEARD WHEN 
THE NEXT BALLOT RESULTS WILL BE 
ANNOUNCED, BUT KEEP IN MIND, 
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE BECAUSE 
ALL THE VOTING WAS DONE.
STOPPED VOTING ALMOST THREE 
HOURS AGO.
SO ALL THE BALLOTS SHOULD BE 
KNOWN.
IT'S A MATTER OF HOW THEY'RE 
GOING TO PLAY THEM OUT FOR US 
OVER THE NEXT LITTLE WHILE.
WE EXPECT THAT WE'LL HAVE A 
WINNER WITHIN THE NEXT HALF 
HOUR, 45 MINUTES, BUT YOU NEVER 
KNOW.
WHOEVER WINS WILL THEN ADDRESS 
THE CONVENTION FROM THE PODIUM, 
SAME PODIUM THEY'RE MAKING THE 
ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM.
AND THEN WITH ANY LUCK, 
REPORTERS WILL GET A CHANCE TO 
TALK TO THE WINNER ABOUT WHAT 
LIES AHEAD.
MANY PEOPLE ASSUMED THEY KNEW 
WHO THE WINNER MIGHT BE, BUT 
THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
ONE MIGHT SAY CONSIDERABLY, BUT 
AT THIS POINT, YOU STILL HAVE A 
LEAD FOR MAXIME BERNIER, BUT 
HE'S JUST CROSSED THE 30% MARK 
AFTER 7 BALLOTS.
HE WAS HOPING TO BE THERE AFTER 
THE FIRST.
ROSY ANYTHING MORE?
>> Rosy: ERIC MADE AN IMPORTANT 
POINT ABOUT THE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES, PIERRE LEMIEUX 
PUT OUT AN EMIL CALLING ON 
SCHEER TO BE CLEAR ON HIS 
POSITION ON ABORTION AND 
PRO-LIFE ISSUES.
SO HE WAS SORT OF TESTING 
WHETHER ANDREW SCHEER WANTED TO 
BE PUBLIC ABOUT THAT NOTIONS.
I KNOW LOTS OF SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES THAT BELIEVE THAT 
ANDREW SCHEER IS A GOOD VALID 
CHOICE FOR THEM AND THEY DIDN'T 
DOUBT HIS COMMITMENT TO THE 
ISSUE.
THAT SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT 
HE'S GOING TO REOPEN THE DEBATE 
THE SAME WAY THAT TROST AND 
LEMIEUX WERE SUGGESTING.
AGAIN, THAT SPEAKS TO THE FACT 
THAT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT
SCHEER WILL PICK UP THAT 
SUPPORT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE WRONG TO 
MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION, BECAUSE HE
HASN'T BEEN.
THAT HASN'T BEEN A HUGE PART OF 
HIS CAMPAIGN, BECAUSE IT CAN'T 
BE.
THAT DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE WHOLE 
PARTY.
I'D BE INTERESTED KNOWING WHAT 
THE PARTY THIS IS ABOUT SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES CONTINUING TO HAVE
THIS STRENGTH IN THE PARTY.
I MEAN, THEY MAKE THIS WEIGHING 
OF THE PARTY, MAY BE THE 
DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHO THE 
WINNER IS.
THAT SPEAKS, I KNOW PETER MacKAY
SAYS THERE ARE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES THROUGHOUT THE 
COUNTRY, BUT IT IS AN 
INTERESTING PART OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY THAT THAT 
ELEMENT REMAINS SO STRONG AND 
QUITE VOCAL.
>> Peter: ALL RIGHT, YOU SHOULD 
CLEAR YOUR DESK OF ALL YOUR 
NOTES, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO 
DO ANOTHER WHACK OF RESULTS HERE
IN LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO THREE MORE 
BALLOTS.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, YOU'RE 
GOING TO SEE THREE NAMES DROP 
OFF THE LIST.
LISA RAITT AS A RESULT OF THE 
LAST ONE.
KELLIE LEITCH.
PIERRE LEMIEUX.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY GET TO 
MICHAEL CHONG OR NOT.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE'RE TALKING 
ABOUT MORE THAN 15 PERCENTAGE 
POINTS OF THE VOTE, SO THIS 
COULD BE -- THIS NEXT BALLOT 
COULD REALLY SHOW US WHERE THE 
SHIFTS ARE TAKING PLACE.
>> IT COULD, BUT IT COULD ALSO 
AND I THINK IT WILL NOW GO DOWN 
TO THE FINAL BALLOT, BECAUSE 
EVEN AS YOU SAID, 15 POINTS 
DISPERSED OVER THE REMAINING 
FOUR OR FIVE CANDIDATES IS NOT 
GOING TO PUT ANYBODY OVER THE 
TOP.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS 
PROCESS GOING ON FOR SOME TIME.
>> Peter: KELLIE LEITCH IS READY
TO TALK.
>> Reporter: SO WHAT DO YOU MAKE
OF THE RESULTS?
YOU WERE AT 7.5%.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOU?
>> WELL, FOR MYSELF, AS I SAID 
THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN, WE'VE 
BEEN TALKING ABOUT IMPORTANT 
ISSUES FOR CANADIANS.
I'M PROUD OF THE CAMPAIGN.
AND MY INTENT GOING FORWARD, I 
WANT TO HAVE A STRONG UNITED 
PARTY SO WE CAN DEFEAT TRUDEAU 
IN 2019.
>> Reporter: PEOPLE WERE TALKING
ABOUT YOU RANKING AS HIGH AS 
4TH, 7TH IS A LITTLE LESS THAN 
YOU WANTED, WHY DO YOU THINK YOU
MIGHT HAVE COME IN LOWER?
>> Interview: LOOK, VOTERS 
DECIDE AND THEY DECIDED WHO THEY
WANTED TO RANK AND HOW THEY 
WANTED TO RANK THEM.
FOR INDIVIDUALS LIKE MYSELF, 
GOING FORWARD, I'VE BEEN A PARTY
OF THIS -- MEMBER OF THIS PARTY 
SINCE I WAS A CHILD AND I WILL 
SUPPORT THE NEW LEADER AND MAKE 
SURE WE HAVE A UNITED FORCE 
GOING FORWARD.
>> Reporter: YOUR CAMPAIGN WAS A
REFERENDUM ON MONITORING 
IMMIGRANTS AND VISITORS, TESTING
THEM FOR CANADIAN VALUES, DOES 
THIS MEAN THAT THE IDEA DOESN'T 
PASS, IT'S TIME TO LOOK AT OTHER
WAYS TO LOOK AT THE IMMIGRATION 
SYSTEM?
>> NOT AT ALL, 74% OF CANADIANS 
AGREED WITH THESE IDEAS, 74% OF 
CANADIANS BELIEVE WE HAVE A 
STRONG CANADIAN IDENTITY THAT IS
GROUNDED IN A SET OF VALUES.
AND I THINK CANADIANS ARE PROUD 
OF THEIR NATION.
I THINK CANADIANS BELIEVE WE 
HAVE VALUE SET AND THAT'S IN 
DIRECT OPPOSITE TO JUSTIN 
TRUDEAU.
WE DEVELOPED A MOVEMENT AND 
WE'LL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THE
IDEAS, BUT THE CONSERVATIVE 
NEEDS TO BE UNITED, I'LL BE PART
OF THAT TEAM MAKING WE'RE 
SUCCESSFUL IN 2019.
>> Rosy: OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF
MONTHS, SHE DID DROP OFF THE 
RADAR, BOTH IN TERMS OF MEDIA 
COVERAGE, BECAUSE IT WAS A ONE 
NOTE CAMPAIGN AND 
SUPPORT-BUILDING.
IN SPITE OF WHAT SHE SAYS THERE,
I THINK THAT IS A STRONG 
REJECTION OF HER IDEA BY THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
I THINK SHE IS WRONG TO 
INTERPRET IT ANY OTHER WAY.
SHE MAY WANT TO PLACE A CAUCUS.
SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO WORK TO 
REBUILD HER REPUTATION INSIDE 
CAUCUS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO 
WERE VERY CAREFUL IN THE WAY 
THEY CRITICIZED HER, BUT 
OFFCAMERA, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, 
THEY WERE NOT CAREFUL.
THEY DID NOT APPRECIATE WHAT SHE
REPRESENTED.
CONSERVATIVES ARE TELLING HER 
THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT AND SO IF 
SHE WANTS TO REGAIN GROUND, 
SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO WORK.
>> CHRIS ALEXANDER DROPPED OFF A
COUPLE OF BALLOTS AGO, HE'S WITH
HANNAH THIBEDEAU.
>> THANK YOU, PETER.
JOINED BY CHRIS ALEXANDER.
LET'S GOT YOUR THOUGHTS OF HOW 
IT'S PLAYED OUT SO FAR?
>> DISAPPOINTING FOR ME 
PERSONALLY, DEFINITELY, BUT A 
BIG WIN FOR THE PARTY BECAUSE OF
--
>> HOW?
>> BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE 
FAMILY NOW AND ON THE FIRST 
BALLOT, NO ONE IS WALKING AWAY 
WITH IT, WE'RE MORE THAN HALFWAY
THROUGH AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW 
WHO IS GOING TO WIN.
THERE IS A LOT OF SCENARIOS 
POSSIBLE.
I THINK IT MEANS THAT THE LEADER
IS GOING TO HAVE TO LEAD US ALL,
FOR ME THAT MEANS LEADING A 
CANADA THAT IS REALLY LOOKING 
AHEAD, NOT BACK.
REALLY INTERNATIONALIST AND 
OPEN.
AND REALLY A PARTY THAT REALLY 
CONCENTRATES ON WINNING IN URBAN
AREAS WHERE WE LOST LAST TIME.
>> Reporter: IS THERE A CONCERN 
THAT THERE COULD BE A DIVISION?
>> YES.
THERE IS ALWAYS THAT CONCERN IN 
ANY PARTY.
AND, YES, SOME OF THE SCENARIOS,
I'M SURPRISED THAT THE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES HAVE 
DONE BETTER THAN EXPECTED.
BUT IT'S DEMOCRACY.
IF PEOPLE COME OUT TO VOTE, WE 
HAVE TO RESPECT THAT AND I THINK
THE TONE WE'VE HAD IN THIS 
CAMPAIGN, CORDALITY AMONG THE 
CANDIDATES, THESE ARE MY 
BUDDIES, I RESPECT THEIR VIEWS, 
I RESPECT THEIR PRIVATE MEMBERS 
BILLS.
I RESPECT THE FACT THAT WE CAN 
MAKE CANADA BETTER WITH THEIR 
ADVOCACY AS WELL AS THINGS THAT 
ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO ME.
WE JUST NEED A PARTY WHERE ONE 
FACET OF THIS JEWEL DOESN'T 
DOMINATE.
WHERE THE LEADER CAN SPEAK TO 
ALL SIDES, HELP US GROW ON ALL 
DIMENSIONS.
>> Reporter: OUT OF THE TWO 
FRONT-RUNNERS DO YOU SEE A 
LEADER OF THOSE TWO THAT CAN 
HELP YOUR PARTY GROW?
>> THEY CAN BOTH LEAD, BUT 
THEY'RE BOTH GOING TO HAVE TO 
GROW IN THE JOB, AS STEPHEN 
HARPER DID, AS RONA AMBROSE DID.
NO ONE KNOWS HOW THAT WILL 
HAPPEN.
FROM DAY ONE, WE HAVE TO HELP 
THEM AND BE AVAILABLE AND JUST 
REMIND THE WORLD CHANGES.
WE CAN'T JUST REHEAT THE DISHES 
WE WERE SERVING FOR A DECADE IN 
OFFICE UNDER STEPHEN HARPER.
WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT NEW 
OFFERINGS, A NEW VISION, WHERE 
THIS COUNTRY IS GOING.
AND WE NEED TO BE BOLD.
THE MESSAGE I HEARD FROM 
CANADIANS, BE BOLD.
DON'T BE STUPID.
BUT BE BOLD, IT'S A BIG COUNTRY 
WITH A LOT OF POTENTIAL.
>> Reporter: YOU WERE TALKING 
ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU WERE 
SURPRISED THAT THE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES WERE SO 
HIGH IN THIS, WHAT DOES THIS 
MEAN FOR THE NEXT LEADER?
>> Interview: WELL, I THINK 
EVERY LEADER WILL HAVE KNOWN 
THAT IS PART OF OUR FAMILY, BUT 
WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE ANY 
GROUP IN THE MOVEMENT TRYING TO 
TAKE CONTROL OF THE AGENDA.
YOU KNOW, WE SUCCEEDED FOR TEN 
YEARS BY HAVING ALL THESE 
STRANDS IN THE MOVEMENT, PLAYING
THE ROLE, INFLUENCING THE 
PLATFORM, BUT A PLATFORM THAT 
REFLECTS ALL OF WHAT CANADIANS 
NEED AND WANT.
>> WHEN MAXIME BERNIER TODAY, HE
SAID HE HAD SPOKEN TO MANY OF 
THE CANDIDATES.
>> NOT TODAY, I JUST TALKED TO 
HIM NOW.
BUT MONTHS AGO HE WAS ASKING ME 
TO JOIN MISS CAMPAIGN AND I 
ADMIRE A LOT OF WHAT HE HAS PUT 
FORWARD, BUT I'M NOT A 
LIBERTARIAN EITHER.
I DON'T THINK THAT IDEOLOGY, 
THINGS THAT LOOK NICE ON PAPER 
AND SOUND NICE, IDEAS AS 
THEORIES, SURVIVE THAT ENCOUNTER
WITH REALITY AND THEY CERTAINLY 
DON'T GENERATE MAJORITY 
GOVERNMENTS.
MAXIME, IF HE'S THE GUY, IS 
GOING TO HAVE TO BROADEN HIS 
STAND AND MESSAGE.
AND I THINK HE RECOGNIZED THAT.
HOW HE DOES THAT, IF HE'S THE 
LEADER, WE STILL DON'T KNOW, 
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
>> Peter: THANKS VERY MUCH.
GO ONCE AGAIN TO THE PODIUM.
PERFECT TIMING.
THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US THE 
LATEST RESULTS HERE.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BALLOTS 
THEY'RE GOING TO ANNOUNCE, BUT 
THE 8TH BALLOT AT LEAST.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: GOOD EVENING, 
EVERYONE, FRIENDS.
>> OK, SO [Speaking French]
>> Translator: WE ARE GOING TO 
BE ANNOUNCING THE RESULTS OR 
BALLOTS, 8, 9 AND 10.
WE WILL ANNOUNCE THOSE 
ELIMINATED FOR THE 8, 9 AND THEN
WE WILL ANNOUNCE THE RESULTS OF 
THE 10TH ROUND.
NO CANDIDATE HAS YET ACHIEVED 
50%.
>> SO IN THE 8TH ROUND, 
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN 7TH PLACE, 
PIERRE LEMIEUX, THANK YOU, 
PIERRE.
ON THE 9TH BALLOT, IN 6TH PLACE,
KELLIE LEITCH.
   WAIT, WAIT.
OK.
NOW WE'LL ANNOUNCE THE 10TH 
ROUND.
IN FIFTH PLACE, [Speaking 
French]
>> Translator: CANDIDATE MICHAEL
CHONG, 3090 POINTS.
9.14%.
>> IN 4TH PLACE, BRAD TROST, 
4633, 13.71%.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN THIRD PLACE, 
ERIN O'TOOLE.
4947 POINTS.
14.6% OF THE VOTE.
>> IN SECOND PLACE, ANDREW 
SCHEER, 9557, 28.28%.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN FIRST PLACE, 
MAXIME BERNIER, 11,570 POINTS, 
34.23%.
>> Peter: ALL RIGHT.
BERNIER STILL IN THE LEAD.
IT'S A LITTLE TIGHTER NOW, 
THOUGH.
IT'S ABOUT 6 PERCENTAGE POINTS 
BETWEEN BERNIER AND SCHEER.
34.23, THERE THEY ARE TOGETHER.
>> Peter: THERE ARE THE TWO 
FRONT-RUNNERS, IT'S VERY MUCH 
BETWEEN THEM AT THIS POINT.
AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO
KEEP THAT.
SO WE KEEP THAT.
>> Peter: LET'S GO TO HANNAH 
THIBEDEAU.
>> YOUR BODY LANGUAGE MR. 
BERNIER, YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'RE 
SHOCKED.
>> A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS, YES.
>> DID ANDREW SCHEER JUST 
CONGRATULATE YOU?
>> NO, NO, NO.
I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, I LIKE 
COMPETITION, IT'S A TOUGH 
COMPETITION AND I SAID TO 
ANDREW, IF I'M NOT WINNING, 
YOU'RE MY TOP COMPETITOR AND WE 
LAUGHING TO.
HE'S A FRIEND OF MINE.
>> SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE YOUR 
PARTY IS?
>> NO, NO.
I'M NOT THINK BEING THAT.
>> Reporter: ARE YOU SURPRISED 
BY HOW SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE 
YOUR PARTY IS?
TROST RESULTS ARE A SURPRISE.
>> I THINK THESE PEOPLE, THEY 
LIKE MY POLICY, I ALWAYS SAID 
YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE A FREE 
VOTE, IT'S YOUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT
TO BRING A BILL IN FRONT OF 
PARLIAMENT ON THE SUBJECT THAT 
YOU WANT.
AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO
DO THAT COMMITMENT, BECAUSE YOU 
CAN SEE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY WANT TO HAVE THIS 
DEBATE.
FOR ME, IT'S FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY 
AND A FREE VOTE AT THE END IF WE
HAVE A DEBATE ON THESE ISSUES.
>> Reporter: ARE THEY GOING TO 
DECIDE THIS TONIGHT, IS THE IT 
THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES THAT 
ARE GOING TO DECIDE?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, THE 
MEMBERS DECIDE.
>> Peter: FROM MAXIME BERNIER, 
LET'S GO TO HANNAH THIBEDEAU WHO
IS TALKING WITH ERIN O'TOOLE.
>> Reporter: ERIN O'TOOLE AND I 
ARE STANDING DOWN HERE, WE'RE 
LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, IS THERE
ANY SUPPORT THAT YOU THINK YOU 
CAN PICK UP FROM THE LAST ROUND?
>> YEAH, CERTAINLY, WE THINK 
THAT MICHAEL CHONG IS A GOOD 
FRIEND, ONTARIO M.P.s, MICHAEL, 
I DON'T SCORE THE CARBON TAX 
LIKE HE DOES, BUT THE PATH IS 
PRETTY ART NOW.
>> Reporter: WHAT ABOUT THE 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE VOTE?
DO YOU THINK TROST VOTERS COULD 
COME TO YOU, OR WOULD THEY GO 
SCHEER?
>> I THINK SOME COULD.
I DON'T REPRESENT ANY POINT ON 
THE SPECTRUM.
I HAVE SUPPORT ON ALL PARTS OF 
THE PARTY.
I'M KNOWN TO BE THE IN MIDDLE, 
BUT RESPECT ON ALL SIDES, SO 
SOME OF IT COULD COME TO ME, BUT
IT LOOKS AS IF IT'S GOING 
ANDREW.
HE'S RUN A GOOD CAMPAIGN AS HAS 
MAX.
I'VE SEEN THEM MONTHS ON THE 
ROAD, I HAVE TO HAND IT TO THEM,
THEY'VE DONE WELL.
>> Reporter: HOW SURPRISED ARE 
YOU HOW TIGHT THIS RACE IS?
>> IT'S EVEN TIGHTER THAN I 
THOUGHT.
I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO GO TO THE
9TH OR 10TH ROUND.
I'M SURPRISED HOW IT'S SORT OF 
INCHING UP.
BUT I THINK THE NEXT COUPLE OF 
DROPS WILL DECIDE IT.
AND WE'RE NOT GETTING THE 
BOUNCES WE NEED, BUT WE'RE VERY 
PROUD OF THE CAMPAIGN.
>> OK, WE'LL KEEP WATCHING THE 
NUMBERS WITH YOU.
>> Peter: GREAT INTERVIEW, 
BECAUSE IT CLEARLY SOUNDS LIKE 
O'TOOLE THINKS NOW HE JUST 
DIDN'T GET THE BOUNCES HE NEEDED
TO GET CLEAR CONTENTION THERE.
SO ROSY, IT'S COMING DOWN, AT 
LEAST ON THE NEXT BALLOT, TO THE
CHONG VOTE AND WHERE IT GOES.
AS TO HOW THIS IS GOING TO PLAY 
OUT.
>> Rosy: YEAH, SO I GUESS IF YOU
BELIEVE THAT CHONG VOTERS ARE 
MORE PROGRESSIVE, AND I 
CERTAINLY DO, AND 
ENVIRONMENTALISTS, YOU HAVE TO 
LOOK AT YOUR TOP TWO OR THREE 
AND SEE WHERE THAT SUPPORT MIGHT
GO.
I THINK ERIN O'TOOLE IS RIGHT, A
LOT OF PEOPLE, CHONG VOTERS MAY 
GO TO ERIN O'TOOLE FIRST, 
MICHELLE REMPEL DIFFERS WITH ME,
BUT THEY MAY.
THEY MAY ALSO GO TO MAXIME 
BERNIER, HE IS A LIBERTARIAN, 
BUT PROGRESSIVE IN HIS THINKING.
THAT'S A TOUGH ONE.
>> Peter: BRAD TROST IS TALKING 
WITH CATHERINE CULLEN.
HANNAH THIBEDEAU SORRY.
>> Reporter: OH, HI, PETER, 
SORRY, BRAD TROST AND I WERE 
GABBING ABOUT WHO HE HAS LACKED 
UP IN THE RACE, ARE YOU 
SURPRISED ON HOW YOU'VE BEEN 
DOING?
>> NO, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD 
FINISH 3RD TO 5TH, BECAUSE THE 
METRICS ON THE OUTSIDE WAS 
FUNDRAISERS AND ENDORSEMENT.
LOOK, MOST OF THE CANDIDATES I 
BEAT OUTFUNDRAISED ME BY A LARGE
MARGIN, AND I HAVE NO 
ENDORSEMENTS FROM ELECTED 
OFFICIALS.
THIS IS WHERE WE THOUGHT WE'D 
BE.
>> Reporter: WITH THE WINNER ON 
THIS, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR 
THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT
WITHIN THE PARTY?
>> IT MEANS THEY HAVE A VOICE.
BECAUSE PIERRE AND ME 
REPRESENTED THE UNWAVERING 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES WHO 
FRANKLY, PEOPLE WERE TOLD NEVER 
COULD WIN, SO DON'T WASTE YOUR 
VOTE ON THEM.
IF YOU WANT A WINNER VOTE FOR 
SOMEONE ELSE.
YOU EVEN SAW THAT AMONG M.P.s TO
ARE STRONG SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES.
A COUPLE OF THEM BACKED MAX, 
SOME OF THEM ANDREW, SOME ERIN, 
BUT THEY HAVE A VOICE.
THEY'RE PART OF THE PARTY.
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES ARE ALSO 
FISCAL CONSERVATIVES, THEY CARE 
ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY, BUT 
THEY WANT THEIR ISSUES AS ONE OF
MANY ISSUES IN THE PARTY.
THAT'S THE MESSAGE, THAT'S WHAT 
THE GRASSROOTS BELIEVES IN IN 
THIS PARTY AND WE NEED TO GO 
FORWARD WITH THAT INTO THE 
PARLIAMENT FOR THE NEXT 
ELECTION.
>> Andrew: THANK YOU FOR YOUR 
TIME.
>> Peter: THEY'RE TELLING US 
THEY'RE GOING TO BE READY WITH 
BALLOT 11 WITHIN THE NEXT FEW 
MINUTES.
THEY'RE PLAYING THIS OUT NICELY,
GIVING US LOTS OF TIME TO TALK 
IN BETWEEN ABOUT THE 
POSSIBILITIES AFTER EACH OF THE 
BALLOTS.
IS EÉRIC GRENIER THERE?
YOU HAD NUMBERS TO PLAY WITH 
THERE OVER THREE BALLOTS, WHAT 
ARE THE PATTERNS YOU'RE SEEING 
OUT OF THAT?
>> IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT 
HAPPENED WHEN KELLIE LEITCH 
DROPPED OFF THE BALLOT, MAXIME 
BERNIER GOT MORE OF HER POINTS, 
BUT HE DID GET THE BIGGER BOOST 
FROM THE ELIMINATION OF KELLIE 
LEITCH THAN ANDREW SCHEER, WHICH
WILL HELP HIM A LOT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER ITS 
OVERALL, THE GOOD NEWS FOR 
MAXIME BERNIER, HE DOESN'T NEED 
TO WIN A MAJORITY FOR THE REST 
OF THE VOICE, THE SECOND CHOICE 
TO WIN THE LEADERSHIP.
HE CAN TAKE WELL BELOW 50% OF 
THOSE LEFT IN ORDER TO GET OVER 
THE 50% MARK.
ANDREW SCHEER NEEDS TO HAVE BIG 
NUMBERS FROM TROST, BUT EVEN IF 
HE GETS ALMOST ALL OF THE 
SUPPORT, HE WOULD STILL NEED 
DECENT NUMBERS FROM MICHAEL 
CHONG AND ERIN O'TOOLE.
IT'S NOT CLEAR WHO WILL BENEFIT 
THERE.
ANDREW SCHEER MORE OF FROM THE 
HARPER MOULD OF CONSERVATIVES, 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE.
HARD TO IMAGINE HE GETS A LOT OF
SUPPORT FROM MICHAEL CHONG, THAT
WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW 
THAT GOES, BUT TROST WILL NOT 
GET A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM CHONG,
SO BEEXPECT HIM TO DROP -- WE 
EXPECT HIM TO DROP OFF THE 
BALLOT NEXT.
>> Peter: QUICK HIT WITH THE AT 
ISSUE GANG.
I KNOW THEY'RE ON DEADLINES.
CHANTAL?
WHAT IS THE SENSE ON THE LAST 
MOVEMENT?
>> THAT I'M REALLY CURIOUS TO 
SEE WHERE THE MICHAEL CHONG 
VOTES WILL GO.
AND I AGREE WITH ERIC'S 
ANALYSIS, IT'S FASCINATING AFTER
ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 
BILINGUALISM, THOSE WHO ARE ABLE
TO SPEAK THE FEW LANGUAGES, I 
ALSO ASSUMED FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN
WATCHING, THAT THE NEXT LEADER, 
WHOEVER HE IS, WILL HAVE TO PAY 
ATTENTION TO SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES IN A WAY THAT I 
THINK PROBABLY NEITHER ANDREW 
SCHEER OR MAXIME BERNIER 
EXPECTED.
>> Peter: ANDREW?
>> TWO THINGS, FIRST, IF YOU 
LOOK AT THE FIVE REMAINING 
CANDIDATES, FOUR OF THEM ARE THE
OUTS FROM THE HARPER YEARS.
MICHAEL CHONG RESIGNED FROM 
CABINET, BERNIER BUMPED FROM 
CABINET AND THE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES.
SO ERIN O'TOOLE IS REALLY THE 
ONLY ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE 
LECHT.
THE SECOND POINT -- LEFT, THE 
SECOND POINT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
24% BETWEEN CHONG AND O'TOOLE, 
BETWEEN THE 14% FOR TROST, YOU 
HAVE TO FIGURE THAT MOST OF THE 
CHONG AND O'TOOLE VOTE GUNS -- 
GOES TO BERNIER RATHER THAN 
SCHEER.
IT LOOKS LIKE BERNIER GETS THIS.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE OVERLAP BETWEEN
CHONG AND SCHEER.
ON THE ONE ISSUE THAT CHONG IS 
PASSIONATE ABOUT, PARLIAMENTARY 
DEMOCRACY AND REFORM, SCHEER WAS
THE SPEAKER WHO SIDED WITH THE 
M.P.s WHO WANTED A RIGHT TO 
SPEAK IN PARLIAMENT, GIVING THEM
PERMISSION TO SPEAK.
I THINK IF THAT IS OF INTEREST 
TO YOU, YOU CAN SEE WHY YOU 
WOULD PUT SCHEER ON YOUR 
BALLOTS.
WANT TO KEEP TALKING?
FIVE MINUTE WARNING.
THE OTHER THING THAT IS WORTH 
NOTING, BUT NOT SURE HOW IT 
TRANSLATES TO SUPPORTERS, BUT 
TROST AND SCHEER HATE EACH 
OTHER.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY.
THEY'RE BOTH FROM SASKATCHEWAN, 
BUT THEY DESPISE EACH OTHER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEIR SUPPORTERS
WOULD DESPISE EACH OTHER, BUT I 
CAN'T SEE THAT GIVING SCHEER ANY
COMFORT.
ERIN O'TOOLE AND ANDREW SCHEER, 
THEIR CAMPAIGNS COULD BE 
INTERCHANGEABLE.
THERE IS A LOT MORE FAMILY VALUE
STUFF OUT OF THE SCHEER AND THE 
ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY THAT ERIN 
O'TOOLE HAS THAT SCHEER DOES 
NOT.
BUT ON ECONOMIC ISSUES, A WIDE 
VARIETY OF INNOVATION ISSUES, 
THEIR CAMPAIGNS ARE REALLY 
CLOSER TOGETHER.
THEY BOTH HAVE 30% MEMBERS OF 
CAUCUS SUPPORTING THEM.
YOU COULD SEE THAT, THAT WOULD 
GREATLY BENEFIT SCHEER.
IT'S EXCITING!
>> Peter: IT IS.
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?
ALTHIA THERE.
AND WE THANK THE THREE OF YOU, 
CHANTAL IS ON A DEADLINE TO 
WRITE HER COLUMN FOR THE 
WEEKEND.
SO HOPE TO GET BACK TO THEM.
MICHELLE REMPEL YOU WANTED IN ON
THAT.
>> YES, SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO 
THE COMMENT ABOUT WHY WOULD YOU 
FILL THE BALLOT OUT?
THINK ABOUT THIS, IF YOU'RE A 
MICHAEL CHONG VOTER RIGHT NOW 
AND YOU FILLED OUT FIVE OR MORE 
SPOTS AND YOU STILL HAVE 
SOMEBODY ON THE BALLOT, YOUR 
VOTE COUNTS HUGE, IT'S A HUGE --
THINK ABOUT THE WEIGHT THAT VOTE
HAS.
SO WHAT NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT 
HERE IS A LOT OF MICHAEL CHONG'S
SECOND PLACE VOTERS WOULD HAVE 
GONE TO SOMEBODY LIKE LISA 
RAITT, BUT SHE'S NOT ON THE 
BALLOT ANYMORE.
SO IF YOU'RE A MICHAEL CHONG 
VOTER AND YOU FILLED OUT DOWN TO
FIFTH OR SIXTH PLACE AND BERNIER
OR SCHEER WAS THERE, SO THIS IS 
REALLY NOW LOOKING AT IF ERIN 
O'TOOLE CAN'T PICK UP A BUNCH OF
SUPPORT IN THIS NEXT, I THINK IT
COMES DOWN TO ERIN O'TOOLE 
VOTERS THAT FILLED OUT 5, 6, 7, 
8, DOWN BALLOT PLACES.
SO THIS IS WHERE, KEVIN, 
KEVIN -- BUT THIS -- KEVIN, 
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THE 
WEIGHT OF SOMEBODY FILLING THEIR
WHOLE BALLOT OUT, ACTUALLY IS 
DETERMINING THE RACE RIGHT NOW.
>> Peter: YOUR MIC IS NOT -- 
WE'RE NOT HEARING YOU.
GOT YOU NOW.
>> IN THE LAST WEEK AND THIS IS 
WHAT I THINK IS IN PLAY.
THE LIST GREW BY 90,000.
NOBODY KNEW WHERE THEY CAME FROM
AND WHAT I BELIEVE, SO CONS, 
BECAUSE TROST WAS NOWHERE IN THE
POLLING, IT HAD TO BE.
IT WAS SCHEER SO CONS, THEY HELD
BACK THE VOTES.
90,000 IN THE LAST WEEK.
>> IT'S MORE NUANCE THAN THAT.
SOMEBODY VOTING FOR ANDREW 
SCHEER OR SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE 
VALUES, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY 
ABOUT ABORTION, IT'S ABOUT 
INCOME SPLITTING, EQUALITY OF 
TAXATION RATES AND ENSURING THAT
PEOPLE --
>> HOW IS IT POSSIBLE --
>> CAN I FINISH?
WHO DECIDE TO STAY HOME HAVE 
EQUAL OPPORTUNITY IN TAXATION, 
SOMEBODY MIGHT SAY I'M GOING TO 
VOTE FOR TROST OR SCHEER DOWN 
BALLOT.
>> HE WAS POLLING AT 3% BEFORE 
THE LIST GREW 90,000.
>> DID YOU POLL DOWN TO 10 
POINTS DOWN THE BALLOT?
NO, YOU DIDN'T.
>> I HAVE THE DATA RIGHT HERE.
>> OK, SHOW IT TO ME.
>> COME ON OVER.
>> SHOW IT ON TV, BECAUSE I 
DON'T THINK YOU POLLED DOWN TO 
TEN POINTS.
>> WE POLLED RIGHT TO THE END 
AND SO DID BERNIER'S GUYS.
IT WAS 20,000.
IT WAS EXPENSIVE.
>> THIS PROCESS HAS TURNED OUT 
TO BE A HECK OF A LOT MORE 
INTERESTING THAN ANYBODY 
EXPECTED.
AS MICHELE POINTED OUT, IT'S 
THESE WAY DOWN THE LIST, 8, 9, 
10, 11 CHOICES THAT COULD FACTOR
INTO THIS IN A VERY, VERY 
INTERESTING WAY.
AND WHERE ANOTHER OBSERVATION 
IS, DO PEOPLE, DO CANDIDATES 
HAVE THE ABILITY TO DELIVER 
THOSE VOTES TO OTHER CANDIDATES?
WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BEHIND 
THE SCENES GOING ON?
LISA RAITT'S ENDORSEMENT, YOU 
KNOW, EARLIER THIS EVENING, 
SAYING, YOU KNOW, I VOTED FOR 
ANDREW SCHEER.
THAT NOW BECOMES EVEN MORE 
INTERESTING.
AND, KEVIN, YOUR VOTE?
WHERE DID YOUR VOTE GO IN LARGE 
NUMBERS?
>> THEY DIDN'T GO TO BRAD TROST,
TELL YOU THAT.
I'M AMAZED HE PULLED IT OFF.
HE'S THE MOST IMPRESSIVE CHANGE 
IN THE WAY I SAW THIS MAP.
AMAZING.
HE'S STILL IN IT AND HE WAS 
POLLING NOWHERE.
SO THIS IS A REALLY BIG 
SURPRISE.
>> Peter: OK.
I THINK WE'RE GETTING READY TO 
HEAR THE 11TH BALLOT NOW.
SEE WHAT STORY THIS TELLS.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: GOOD EVENING, THE
RESULTS FOR THE 11TH BALLOT, THE
RESULTS OF THE CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY.
FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA.
IN 4TH PLACE, ELIMINATED FROM 
THE BALLOT, BRAD TROST.
4831 POINTS.
>> Peter: OK, SO WHERE THAT 14 
PERCENTAGE POINTS ENDS UP GOING 
MAY DETERMINE THE WINNER.
>> IN THIRD PLACE, ERIN O'TOOLE,
6372, 18.85%.
>> IN SECOND PLACE, ANDREW 
SCHEER, 2235.
>> Peter: SCHEER CLIMBS OVER THE
30% POINT BARRIER.
IN FIRST PLACE, MAXIME BERNIER, 
36.57%.
>> Peter: SO BERNIER IS 
MAINTAINING HIS 6 PERCENTAGE 
POINT LEAD IN A VERY SLOW 
METHODICAL WAY.
HE'S STAYING IN THE LEAD, SIX 
PERCENTAGE POINTS THROUGH 11 
BALLOTS.
I THINK ATTRITION IS A WORD 
HERE -- ONE AND TWO VOTES, 
RATHER THAN FILLING OUT THE 
WHOLE BALLOT HAS BECOME A VERY 
IMPORTANT CALCULATION GOING 
FORWARD.
WHERE ARE ERIN O'TOOLE'S VOTES 
GOING TO GO?
THAT I THINK IS GOING TO DECIDE 
IT.
THAT IS THE DECIDING FACT.
>> Peter: FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE 
TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TROST'S 
VOTES ARE GOING TO GO AND HE'S 
WITH HANNAH THIBEDEAU.
>> HARD TO HEAR YOU.
SOUNDS LIKE A DANCE FLOOR.
BUT YOU'RE NOW IN 4TH PLACE.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU COULD POTENTIALLY AFTER 
THIS ROUND BE OUT.
WHERE DO YOU THINK YOUR VOTERS 
COULD GO?
>> I WILL BE OUT, I AM OUT AFTER
THIS ROUND.
>> Reporter: I'M SO SORRY.
I HAD YOU LONGER ON THE BALLOT.
>> NO, THAT'S OK, I'M OUT ON 
THIS ROAD.
MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO, I 
WOULD SAY A LARGE CHUNK ARE 
GOING TO DROP OFF.
>> WHY IS THAT?
>> BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO 
FILL OUT THE BALLOTS.
SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT 
WORKED WITH ME, THEIR VOTERS ARE
MORE LOYAL TO THE CAUSES THAN A 
PARTICULAR CANDIDATE AND THEY 
WERE INSTRUCTED TO VOTE TROST, 
LEMIEUX AND THEN DROP OFF.
THAT COULD BE A THIRD TO HALF OF
MY VOTE.
THE REST OF THE VOTE, THE LARGER
CHUNK WILL MOVE TO ANDREW THEN 
MAX.
>> WHY IS THAT?
>> UM, WHEN YOU TALK TO THE 
PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING FOR ME, 
THEY HAVE A AFFINITY TO ANDREW 
THAN MAX.
THE OTHER THING WAS THIS, MY 
VOTERS TEND TO BE MORE ENGLISH 
CANADIAN THAN QUEÉBECERS, AND 
THAT IS ALSO PROBABLY GOING TO 
WEIGH IN ANDREW'S DIRECTION MORE
THAN MAX'S.
BUT NOT EVERYONE.
I KNOW SOME OF MY PEOPLE WHO ARE
BACKING MY CAMPAIGN ARE VOTING 
FOR BERNIER, SO IT'S NOT GOING 
TO BE 100% ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
>> YOU'RE BOTH SASKATCHEWAN 
GUYS, YOU AND ANDREW, HOW WOULD 
YOU WORK WITH ANDREW TO MOVE 
YOUR CAUSE, SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE 
VALUES FORWARD?
>> WE'LL SIT DOWN, HAVE A TALK.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S ANDREW
OR MAX THAT WINS, WE'LL TALK 
ABOUT VALUE, HOW I CAN 
CONTRIBUTE TO THE TEAM.
WE'LL TAKE IT THE SAME WAY 
REGARDLESS WHO WINS.
HOW CAN I BE A POSITIVE 
INFLUENCE AND ADVANCE THOSE 
VALUES?
NOW, MOST PEOPLE ARE VIEWING ME 
AS SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE TODAY, I 
UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE ARE 
OTHER CAUSES WE NEED TO WORK ON,
CARBON TAX, THINGS OF THAT 
NATURE AND I'LL CONTRIBUTE 
WHEREVER I CAN.
>> Reporter: WANT TO THANK YOU 
FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU, IT'S A RELIEF FOR 
IT TO BE OVER.
>> Peter: BRAD TROST DROPS OFF 
THE NEXT BALLOT.
WHERE HIS VOTES GO WILL MAKE 
THINGS REALLY INTERESTING.
HE THINKS THERE IS MORE AFFINITY
TOWARD ANDREW SCHEER ON HIS 
SUPPORTERS THAN OTHERS.
LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, THOUGH, 
MAXIME BERNIER, AS ÉRIC GRENIER 
WARNED US, YOU WARNED US A FEW 
MOMENTS AGO, THAT MAXIME BERNIER
DOESN'T NEED TO GET HALF THE 
VOTES OUTSTANDING HERE TO CROSS 
THE FINISH LINE, BUT AN ANDREW 
SCHEER DEFINITELY GETS MUCH MORE
THAN HALF.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, MAXIME BERNIER 
NEEDS JUST 40% OF THE REMAINING 
POINTS, WHETHER HE CAN GET 
THOSE, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND 
SEE.
IF TROST IS RIGHT AND SOME OF 
HIS SUPPORTERS GO TO MAX, THAT 
WILL BE GOOD NEWS, BECAUSE THEN 
MAX BERNIER WILL GET A BOOST 
THERE.
ERIN O'TOOLE WAS THE -- HE 
GAINED THE MARCH OF THE POINTS 
ON THE TABLE FOR MICHAEL CHONG, 
BUT THE FACT THAT BERNIER WAS 
ABLE TO PICK UP FROM KELLIE 
LEITCH AND MICHAEL CHONG, TWO 
PEOPLE WITH SUBSTANTIAL POINTS, 
SUGGESTS HE IS ON TRACK WITH 
THAT.
WITH TROST DROPPING OFF, INSTEAD
IF WE SEE THE SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES GO ON TO SCHEER, 
WE COULD SEE THE GAP GET 
NARROWER AND THEN IT WILL COME 
DOWN TO ERIN O'TOOLE SUPPORTERS.
BUT IT IS GOING TOWARD A BETTER 
NIGHT FOR MAXIME BERNIER, BUT IT
COULD BE A CLOSE NIGHT BY THE 
END OF IT.
>> Peter: IT'S ALMOST PAINFUL 
WATCHING HOW SLOWLY THIS IS 
DEVELOPING OVER 11 BALLOTS.
BUT NOW WE'RE INTO THE HEAVY 
DUTY STUFF BECAUSE THERE ARE A 
LOT MORE VOTES TO PLAY WITH, 
GIVEN WHO HAS DROPPED OFF IN THE
LAST COUPLE OF BALLOTS.
>> ABSOLUTELY, BUT EVEN HERE 
WE'RE LOOKING THAT WE NEED TO GO
TO ANOTHER BALLOT, BECAUSE EVEN 
IF MAXIME BERNIER GOT EVERY 
SINGLE VOTE FROM TROST, WE'D 
STILL BE GOING TO THE 13TH AND 
FINAL BALLOT IN THIS.
SO IT DID REQUIRE EVERY SINGLE 
BALLOT.
>> Peter: IF THEY STRETCH IT OUT
12 AND 13, WE'LL BE BACK TO TALK
TO YOU AFTER 12.
THANK YOU, EÉRIC GRENIER, OUR 
NUMBER AND POLLS GUY.
ALL RIGHT.
WHERE ARE WE NOW?
PETER MacKAY?
>> WE ARE SEEING DEMOCRACY AT 
WORK.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL, EXCITING, 
THRILLING EVENT, IT GETS PEOPLE 
INTERESTED.
>> Peter: IT WOULD BE MORE 
EXCITING IF WE DIDN'T KNOW THEY 
ALREADY KNEW IN THE BACK ROOM.
>> ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY KNOW
FOR SURE WHO HAS WON THIS?
>> THIS IS COMING DOWN TO ERIN 
O'TOOLE'S VOTERS WHO FILLED OUT 
DOWN TO THEIR 10TH CHOICE.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT IS DECIDING 
THIS RACE.
SO IF YOU'RE AN ERIN O'TOOLE 
VOTER, AND YOU FILLED OUT NUMBER
10, YOU'RE DECIDING THE RACE 
RIGHT NOW.
>> I THINK THAT WILL BE SPLIT 
QUITE EVENLY, WHICH AS MICHELE 
SAID, WILL DECIDE THE OUTCOME, 
BUT A 50-50 SPLIT AMONG ERIN 
O'TOOLE'S VOTERS PUTS MAX JUST 
BARELY OVER THE TOP.
>> MAYBE.
>> Peter: MAYBE.
>> MAYBE.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MAKE UP 
600 POINTS THIS LATE.
I DON'T SEE IT.
I THINK BERNIER'S GOT IT, YOU 
CAN'T MAKE UP 600, JUST THE 
NUMBERS, GUYS, JUST THE NUMBERS.
CAN'T DO IT.
CANNOT DO IT.
>> Peter: DO YOU WANT ME TO 
REPLAY WHAT YOU SAID LAST NIGHT?
>> WILL YOU PLEASE?
>> I VOTE YES.
>> THEY VOTE YES.
>> LET'S REREAD IT.
>> Peter: PLAY THE TAPE.
THIS IS LAST NIGHT.
LET ME PREDICT THE FIRST BALLOT 
TO THE NUMBER, ARE YOU 
INTERESTED?
>> YEAH.
BERNIER IS GOING TO GET 11,000 
ON THE FIRST ONE, THAT'S 34%, 
ANDREW IS GOING TO GET 7,000, 
21%.
ERIN O'TOOLE WILL BE 3, 5,000 
AND CHANGE.
MARK IT DOWN, WATCH IT HAPPEN.
>> Peter: SAVE THAT TAPE.
WE'LL PLAY THAT BACK.
>> IT'S HIS BUSINESS CAREER IF 
IT'S WRONG.
>> I'M WILLING TO TAKE RISKS.
UNLIKE THE REST OF YOU.
[LAUGHTER] 
>> Peter: OK, OUT OF THE TAPE.
IT WASN'T THAT -- IT WASN'T THAT
FAR OFF --
>> IT WAS A LITTLE CLOSE.
>> EXCEPT FOR THE BALLOTS.
>> I REST MY CASE, YOUR HONOR, 
LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
>> Peter: IF THOSE HAD BEEN THE 
NUMBERS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER
BY NOW.
>> THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS IN 
CALGARY AND ALBERTA.
I WAS JUST A COUPLE OF PROVINCES
--
>> ACTUALLY THEY WEREN'T.
[LAUGHTER].
HEY, I'M A POLITICIAN NOW.
WHAT DO YOU THINK I'M SAYING?
>> THEY WERE THE NUMBERS OTT 
ALBERTA, WERE THEY?
LET'S SEE.
>> ROSY HAS THE ALBERTA NUMBERS.
>> ON THE FIRST BALLOT?
>> YEAH, THE FIRST NUMBER.
>> Rosy: WHERE ARE THEY?
>> BERNIER WAS AHEAD AND SCHEER 
WAS SECOND.
>> YOUR OWN HOMETOWN, MICHELE.
>> YES QUITE.
>> Peter: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 
THE ALBERTA NUMBERS.
>> BUT MY WHOLE POINT, 600 BASIS
POINTS THIS LATE?
EXTREMELY HARD TO BEAT.
YOU MAY BE RIGHT, PETER, IT MAY 
BE CLOSE.
>> Rosy: IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
>> BUT MY PREDICTION, BERNIER IS
GOING TO WIN BY 2-3%.
YOU'RE GOING TO BIFURCATE THESE 
NUMBERS, MAYBE 50-50.
>> THAT'S THE ONLY --
>> AND EVEN YOU DIDN'T GO TO 
TEN.
>> BUT, YES, SOMEBODY HAD TO 
FILL OUT TO TEN, THAT'S WHAT 
WE'RE COUNTING, KEVIN.
WHAT WE'RE COUNTING --
>> ONLY ONE PERSON AT THE TABLE 
DIDN'T.
>> YOU CAN'T COUNT NOTHING, 
KEVIN, YOU HAVE TO COUNT 
SOMETHING.
SO WE'RE COUNTING PEOPLE --
>> I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T SEE 
MAKING 6%.
>> YOU CAN'T COUNT IT IF SOMEONE
DIDN'T FILL OUT THE BALLOT.
>> BERNIER IS GOING TO BE A 
WINNER, MICHELE, DEAL WITH IT 
RIGHT NOW.
>> I JUST SPIKE DROPPED AND 
LEAVE.
I GIVE UP.
>> Peter: YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT
TO GET THERE YET, BECAUSE 
WHOEVER OF THESE TWO GUYS WINS, 
I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT'S EITHER
BERNIER OR SCHEER -- ARE YOU 
STILL HOLDING ONTO O'TOOLE?
>> IT WOULD BE A STRETCH.
>> YOU CAN'T HOLD ONTO O'TOOLE 
NOW [LAUGHTER].
>> I LIKE ERIN AND I THINK HE 
RAN A GREAT CAMPAIGN AND I'M NOT
SUGGESTING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN,
BUT LOOK, HERE'S A GUY THAT PUT 
A LOT INTO THIS, HE'S A 
PHILANTHROPIST, HE SPOURNTS 
WOUNDED WARRIORS CANADA.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE 
HAVE IN THE PARTY AND ERIN AND 
LISA AND MANY OF THE CANDIDATES 
DESERVED A VOTE ON THE BALLOT.
>> Peter: ALL RIGHT, BUT MOST OF
US AGREE, IT'S EITHER GOING TO 
BE BERNIER OR SCHEER, AND WHICH 
EVER ONE IT IS I'M ASSUMING THEY
BOTH GOT A SPEECH IN ONE POCKET 
ABOUT A VICTORY AND THEY MIGHT 
WANT TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT 
THAT, BECAUSE THIS HAS GONE A 
LONG WAY.
>> I THINK THERE ARE ADJUSTMENTS
BEING MADE TO THE SPEECHES RIGHT
NOW.
>> I WAS SAYING THIS TO PETER 
BEFORE, WE'VE GONE OVER THIS, 
IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT MULTIPLE 
CONSTITUTION CONVENTIONS.
IT WORKS INTERESTINGLY IN LIKE A
FIVE HEAVY HITTER STAR 
CANDIDATE, BUT WHEN YOU COME 
DOWN TO CANDIDATES THAT ARE 
RUNNING ON ISSUES, RIGHT?
AND THAT ARE GETTING INTO IT, 
YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE 
A CHANCE TO WIN, BUT THEY'RE 
PUSHING AN ISSUE, ALL OF A 
SUDDEN, THINGS GET INTERESTING 
LIKE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 
VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS 
GOING INTO THE NEXT CONVENTION.
I FIND THIS FASCINATING, I THINK
THIS IS A POSITIVE PROCESS.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF
INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS MONDAY 
MORNING.
>> I THINK IT MAKES IT MORE 
CHALLENGING WITH THIS OUTCOME, 
BECAUSE THE NEW LEADER IS NOW 
GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER JOB 
ARGUABLY TRYING TO RECONCILE 
SOME OF THE FACTIONS ON DISPLAY 
HERE.
AND SOME OF THE POSITIONS TAKEN 
THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN.
>> WHEN YOU ADJUST HOW MANY 
PEOPLE CAN STAY IN THE RACE FOR 
HOW LONG, DOES THAT SERVE THE 
PEOPLE TO HAVE 13, 14 PEOPLE IN 
IT?
>> I THINK MAYBE THE PRICE OF 
ADMISSION IS ONE WAY TO DO THAT.
>> HOW ABOUT MORE MEMBERSHIP?
>> YOU HAVE A PROCESS SIX MONTHS
AGO AND THAT LOWERS IT.
>> IT TOOK ME FIVE MINUTES TO 
SIGN UP 30 MEMBERS AND RAISE 
$50,000.
3,000 MEMBERS AND $250,000.
IT SHOULD BE MUCH MORE.
>> DID YOU EDUCATE YOUR VOTERS 
HOW TO FILL OUT THE BALLOT?
>> I TOLD THEM TO VOTE FOR ONE 
PERSON AND THAT'S IT.
>> AND I THINK THAT HAS EXPOSED 
A FLAW, THERE SHOULD BE A 
SPOILED BALLOT UNLESS THERE IS 
TEN.
>> Rosy: COME MONDAY MORNING, 
BERNIER, REMEMBER, HAS ALMOST NO
CAUCUS SUPPORT.
SCHEER HAS A LOT OF CAUCUS 
SUPPORT.
ERIN O'TOOLE HAS THE MOST CAUCUS
SUPPORT.
>> WHEN DID THAT EVER MATTER IN 
PICKING A LEADER?
>> IT MATTERS WHEN YOU'RE 
ENTERING THE ROOM OF THE CAUCUS 
ON MONDAY MORNING.
>> JOE CLARK HAS LITTLE CAUCUS 
SUPPORT AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED 
TO JOE CLARK.
>> CAUCUS LOVES A WINNER.
>> NOT ALWAYS.
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT 
DECIDE TO RUN BASED ON THE 
OUTCOME.
>> YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT OF 
FACTIONS BECAUSE THIS HAS COME 
UP, SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE VOTERS, 
LIKE WHAT THAT LOGIC DOES 
TALKING ABOUT, IS ASSUMING THAT 
CONSERVATIVE VOTERS ARE IN THESE
SIEL LOWS --
>> NO, NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING 
THAT.
>> IF YOU'RE VOTING ON SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVE VALUES, IF YOU HAVE
A MEMBERSHIP IN THE PARTY, 
YOU'RE A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE, SO
THERE IS A VEN DIAGRAM HERE.
>> A LOT OF CROSS POLLINATION.
>> Peter: HERE WE GO.
BALLOT NUMBER 12.
THERE ARE ONLY THREE PEOPLE ON 
THE BALLOT, BERNIER, SCHEER AND 
O'TOOLE.
>> Translator: THE RESULTS OF 
THE 12TH BALLOT.
IN THIRD PLACE, ERIN O'TOOLE.
7187 POINTS, 21.26%, THANK YOU, 
ERIN.
IN SECOND PLACE, ANDREW SCHEER, 
12,965, 38.36%.
MAXIME BERNIER, FIRST PLACE, 
13,646, 40.38.
>> Peter: THIS IS GOING TO BE 
SOMETHING.
SO BERNIER LEADS THROUGH 12 
BALLOTS, BUT HE'S ONLY GOT A 
LEAD OF TWO POINTS.
TWO PERCENTAGE POINTS.
HIS LEAD HAS SHRUNK TO TWO 
PERCENTAGE POINTS.
>> OK, MR. O'TOOLE, WE'RE 
MOVING, YOU'RE HEADING OVER TO 
--
>> I'M GOING TO CONGRATULATE MY 
FRIENDS ON A GREAT CAMPAIGN.
PROUD OF MY TEAM, BUT PROUD OF 
THE TEAMS MY FRIENDS HAVE RUN.
>> Reporter: SO YOU'RE GOING TO 
SHAKE HANDS?
>> I'M GOING TO CONGRATULATE 
THEM ON THEIR CAMPAIGNS.
>> Reporter: WHERE DO YOU THINK 
YOUR SUPPORTERS WILL GO?
>> THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR 
QUESTION, THEY COULD SPLIT DOWN 
THE MIDDLE.
IT'S INTERESTING MATH.
I'M PROUD OF BOTH ANDREW AND 
MAXIME'S CAMPAIGN.
AND DEPENDING ON WHERE IN THE 
COUNTRY, WHAT ISSUES MY 
SUPPORTERS CARED ABOUT, MY 
AGRICULTURAL SUPPORTERS WILL BE 
GOING TO ANDREW FOR SURE, BUT 
WE'LL SEE.
I'M KEEPING MY BALLOT CHOICES 
SECRET.
>> PERSON'S HAND YOU'LL SHAKE 
FIRST?
>> PERSON I CAN GET TO FIRST.
>> Peter: WE HAVE ERIN O'TOOLE 
GOING OVER AND SHAKING HANDS 
WITH THE TWO FINAL CANDIDATES 
WHO WILL BE FACING IT OFF ON THE
13TH BALLOT.
COULDN'T BE MORE BALLOTS THAN 
THIS.
13 OF THEM.
MAXIME BERNIER HAS LED ON THE 
FIRST 12, BUT HIS LEAD HAS 
SHRUNK AND SHRUNK, TOOK A REAL 
HIT ON THIS LAST BALLOT.
HE'S DOWN TO AROUND TWO 
PERCENTAGE POINTS.
OVER ANDREW SCHEER.
SO THIS -- BOY, THERE IS MICHAEL
CHONG AS WELL.
A LOT OF HIS VOTES IN PLAY IN 
THE LAST BALLOT.
WHERE WILL ERIN O'TOOLE'S VOTES 
GO?
HE WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT 
PREDICTION, IF ANYTHING, HE SAID
THEY COULD BE SPLIT DOWN THE 
MIDDLE.
IF THEY ARE SPLIT DOWN THE 
MIDDLE, MAXIME BERNIER WINS.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A 
CLEAR DOWN THE PATH, YEAH.
>> 60-40 SPLIT HERE WILL WIN IT.
>> LET'S LISTEN TO THIS.
>> WE HAVE A LOT OF PASSIONATE 
SUPPORTERS BEHIND THEM, MINE 
COULD SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE, WHO
KNOWS?
IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING 
RACE.
I'M PROUD TO WORK WITH THESE 
GENTLEMEN.
THEY HAVE GREAT SUPPORTERS, 
GREAT FAMILIES BEHIND THEM.
OUR TEAM IS STRONG AND I'M PROUD
OF MY CAMPAIGN, BUT PROUD TO 
WORK WITH THEM.
>> WHO WAS YOUR SECOND CHOICE?
>> IT'S A SECRET BALLOT.
THERE WERE SO MANY GOOD 
CANDIDATES, LISA SECOND BECAUSE 
OF OUR CONNECTIONS TO THE EAST 
COAST, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF, 
BUT PROUD OF THESE.
>> POWERFUL CONSERVATIVE --
>> YOU KNOW WHAT, THE FARMERS, 
NOT THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES ARE
GOING TO DECIDE THIS.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE FARMERS WHO
DECIDE THIS.
NOT THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES.
>> RIGHT?
>> O'TOOLE IS VERY, VERY STRONG.
>> IT'S VERY GREAT.
>> LOOK, AS ERIN SAID, WHO 
KNOWS.
MAX RAN A GREAT RACE, ERIN RAN A
GREAT RACE.
IT'S THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
WE'VE GROWN OUR BASE FROM 80,000
TO 260.
WE'LL SEE WHERE ERIN SUPPORTERS 
GO, I HOPE I GET A FEW MORE THAN
MAX.
>> I THINK I KNOW WHERE MY DAIRY
FARMERS ARE GOING, BUT THE 
ECONOMIC ONES, WHO KNOWS?
WE HAVE AN AMAZING TEAM AND I'M 
PROUD TO WORK WITH EITHER OF 
THESE GENTLEMEN AND WE'LL BE IN 
OTTAWA MONDAY WHETHER JUSTIN IS 
OR NOT.
>> THE MOST POWERFUL 
CONSERVATIVE IN ONTARIO?
>> NO, I'M POWERFUL BECAUSE I 
REPRESENT MY COMMUNITY IN A 
PARTY AND TOGETHER WE'RE POWER.
>> GET A SENSE OF WHERE YOUR 
VOTE IS GOING?
>> IF THEY WANTED AN ECONOMIC 
POLICIES, THEY'VE BOTH GOT GREAT
POLICIES ON ALL LEVELS.
ANDREW IS YOUNGER THAN ME, SO I 
JOKED LAST NIGHT ABOUT MY AGE.
HE LOOKS EVEN YOUNGER THAN HE 
IS, SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.
THE POINT OF THE LEADERSHIP IS 
TO BE TO SHOW THAT OUR PARTY IS 
UNITED.
THE FIGHT IS AGAINST THE 
LIBERALS AND I WILL WORK WITH 
EITHER ONE AS LEADER.
AND WE ALL WANT THE DRAMA TO BE 
OVER.
>> YES.
[Speaking French]
>> Peter: ALL RIGHT, THAT'S 
QUITE THE SCENE.
THE THREE FINAL CANDIDATES AND 
THE THIRD ONE DROPPING OFF IN 
THE MIDDLE THERE.
WE SAW ERIN O'TOOLE SAYING THAT 
HE'S NOT SURE WHERE HIS 
SUPPORTERS WILL GO, THAT THEY 
MIGHT SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE.
MAXIME BERNIER WOULD BE THE 
WINNER, BECAUSE HE HAS A SLIGHT 
TWO-POINT LEAD OVER ANDREW 
SCHEER, ANDREW SCHEER FROM 
SASKATCHEWAN.
SCHEER WINS HE'LL BE THE FIRST 
CONSERVATIVE LEADER FROM 
SASKATCHEWAN, SINCE JOHN 
DIEFENBAKER.
THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF 
CONSERVATIVE LEADERS FROM 
QUÉBEC, MULRONEY, JEAN CHAREST, 
SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE 
THERE HAS BEEN A CONSERVATIVE 
LEADER FROM SASKATCHEWAN.
SO, WE'RE GOING FIND THIS OUT IN
THE NEXT FIVE OR TEN MINUTES.
AS TO WHO THE WINNER WILL BE.
BUT THIS IS UNFOLDING -- YOU 
KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER ANOTHER 
LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN THAT WENT 
THIS MANY BALLOTS, BUT I CAN'T 
REMEMBER ANYTHING WHERE SOMEBODY
LED FOR 12 BALLOTS AND THEN HAD 
THE POTENTIAL OF LOSING ON THE 
13TH.
>> YEAH.
>> Peter: IT'S REMARKABLE.
>> IT'S ALSO REMARKABLE TO SEE 
THE AMICABLE NATURE OF THE 
CAMPAIGN, RIGHT DOWN TO THE END.
AND WHAT ERIN SAID WAS CLASSY, 
EVERYBODY IS GOING TO COALESCE.
>> I'M EXCITED.
I CAN'T WAIT FOR QUESTION 
PERIOD.
>> THAT'S GOOD CONSERVATIVE SPIN
THERE, YOU GUYS.
I MEAN, CAN I JUST SAY, ERIN 
O'TOOLE IS STANDING THERE SAYING
THAT NOW AS THE MOST POWERFUL 
ONTARIO CONSERVATIVE MEMBER IN 
THE PARTY.
HE NOW RACES PAST LISA RAITT OR 
KELLIE LEITCH.
AND THESE TWO, NO MATTER WHO 
WINS, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED ERIN
O'TOOLE.
THAT'S WHY -- HE'S A NICE GUY, 
BUT THAT'S WHY HE'S SAYING THAT 
THING.
>> Peter: ALSO INTERESTING HE 
POINTED TO THE SUPPLY MANAGEMENT
ISSUE, CERTAINLY MAY BE A 
DECIDING FACTOR FOR SOME OF HIS 
SUPPORTERS AND THAT ISSUE FOR 
THEM, MAX BERNIER IS ON THE 
WRONG SIDE OF.
>> FARMERS HAVE NEVER BEEN SO 
POWERFUL EITHER IN THE DECISION.
WHERE PEOPLE GO NOW, I THINK 
VERY MUCH WILL DEPEND ON THEIR 
VIEW OF SUPPLY MANAGEMENT.
AND THIS IS AN INTEREST TOPIC 
WITH NAFTA BACK ON THE TABLE AND
THIS IS SOMETHING THE AMERICAN 
ARE GOING AFTER.
>> THERE ARE ONLY 20,000 FARMERS
INVOLVED IN SUPPLY MANAGEMENT.
>> YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW 
IMPORTANT THAT ISSUE IS, IT'S 
REPRESENTATIVE OF RURAL CANADA, 
JUST LIKE THE GUN REGISTRY.
>> I THINK IT REFLECTED IN THE 
RESULTS IN QUEÉBEC, WHERE BERNIR
DIDN'T DO BETTER THAN SCHEER, 
SCHEER ONE BECAUSE OF SUPPLY 
MANAGEMENT.
BUT IF HE GETS PAST QUEÉBEC AND 
ONTARIO, GOES WEST, IT DOESN'T 
MATTER.
>> I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
>> Peter: LET ME UPDATE YOU ON A
COUPLE OF THINGS.
SCHEER AND BERNIER ARE BEHIND 
THAT BLUE CURTAIN RIGHT NOW WITH
PARTY ORGANIZERS.
THERE IS ONLY ONE MORE BALLOT TO
ANNOUNCE AND WHAT THEY'RE 
OFFERING TO CANDIDATES, THE TWO 
OF THEM, IS THE DECISION OF 
WHERE THEY WANT TO BE WHEN THE 
FINAL BALLOT IS ANNOUNCED.
DO THEY WANT TO BE IN THEIR 
SEATS, THE CROWD?
DO THEY WANT TO BE BEHIND THE 
CURTAIN AND THEN THE WINNER 
COMES OUT?
DO THEY WANT TO BE AT THE 
PODIUM?
THEY'RE OFFERING THEM THE 
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE 
DECISIONS THEMSELVES.
THAT'S ONE THING.
HERE'S ANOTHER THING WHICH COULD
BE INTERESTING ON THE FINAL 
COUNT.
WE'RE HEARING THAT A LOT OF THE 
TROST VOTES ARE DEAD BECAUSE 
THEY DIDN'T GO BEYOND IN TERMS 
OF MARKING THE BALLOT.
I'M NOT SURE ONE WOULD SENSE 
THAT FAVOURS BERNIER.
WHILE WE THINK ABOUT IT, LET'S 
ASK THE EXPERT, ÉRIC GRENIER.
>> Rosy: HE'S GOING TO KNOW.
>> Peter: HE'LL JUST KNOW.
ASIDE FROM THE NUMBERS WE HAVE, 
THIS ISSUE OF THE TROST BALANCE,
ERIC, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE ISSUE?
>> NOW THAT WE'RE DOWN TO A 
TWO-POINT GAP, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 
WHAT ANDREW SCHEER NEEDS TO PASS
MAX MA'AM ON THE LAST BALLOT, HE
NEEDS 55% OF THE REMAINING 
POINTS, CERTAINLY NOT 
UNACHIEVABLE FOR HIM, 
PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT 
WHERE ERIN O'TOOLE IS STRONGEST,
A LOT OF POINTS MOVING THERE.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE PARTS OF 
THE COUNTRY WHERE THE LEAD HAS 
NOT BEEN WIDE.
IF A LOT OF THE POINTS GO TO 
SCHEER, HE COULD BEAT MAXIME 
BERNIER.
BUT IF LESS THAN 55% OF ERIN 
O'TOOLE'S POINTS GO TO MAXIME 
BERNIER, THEN HE SHOULD GO WIN 
ON THE BALLOT.
>> WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE
TROST DEAD BALLOTS, IN OTHER 
WORDS, THEY DIDN'T MARK ANYMORE?
>> IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT WAS THE 
CASE, BECAUSE ANDREW SCHEER DID 
PICK UP OVER 50% OF TROST 
POINTS.
IF IT HAD BEEN SOMETHING WHERE A
LOT OF PEOPLE HAD NOT BEEN 
MARKING ANOTHER CANDIDATE AFTER 
TROST, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN 
MAXIME BERNIER PICK UP A LOT 
MORE BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN AHEAD 
BEFORE TROST DROPPED OFF.
IT DOES SEEM THAT A LOT OF THE 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE VOTERS DID 
PUT SCHEER ON THE BALLOT AFTER 
TROST.
>> Peter: THANK YOU.
THOSE TWO CANDIDATES WERE 
FISHING OUT OF THE SAME POOL, 
THERE WAS A SENSE OF GREAT 
COMPETITION BETWEEN O'TOOLE AND 
SCHEER.
>> WITHIN THE CAUCUS.
>> THE ROAD TO THE CAMPAIGN.
I STRONGLY SUSPECT HOWEVER, THAT
O'TOOLE'S VOTERS ARE MORE 
ALIGNED WITH SCHEER.
THAN THEY ARE WITH BERNIER.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH 
THE LIST OF BERNIER'S POSITIONS 
ON SUPPLY MANAGEMENT, ON 
LIMITING REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT, 
ON NO SUBSIDIES FOR BUSINESS, HE
TAKES THE LIBERTARIAN POSITION.
I DON'T THINK ERIN O'TOOLE'S 
VOTERS TEND TO ASSOCIATE 
THEMSELVES WITH LIBERTARIANISM.
SO I SUSPECT THAT THE BREAKDOWN 
WILL BE CLOSE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT 
HAS TO BE OVER 60% I'M GOING TO 
SAY OF O'TOOLE'S VOTERS THAT 
WILL PUT SCHEER OVER THE TOP.
>> THAT WOULD MEAN SCHEER WOULD 
WIN WITH 60%.
THAT'S A BIG STRETCH.
I'M MORE IN THE 50-50 CAMP.
I SAY TWO WEEKS, IF BERNIER 
WINS, NOBODY WILL REMEMBER HOW 
CLOSE IT WAS, OR THE OTHER WAY, 
TOO.
>> Peter: HAVE YOU GONE TO 
50-50?
>> NO, I STILL THINK HE'S GOING 
TO WIN AROUND THE 2%.
>> THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER 
ELEMENT, TOO, HERE AND THAT'S 
MAX CAME OUT WITH A REALLY SORT 
OF IDEAS FORWARD, LIKE 
GREGARIOUS CAMPAIGN, ANDREW 
SAID, LOOK, HERE'S A BUNCH OF 
POLICIES, THEY'RE SOLID, THEY 
RAN DIFFERENT CAMPAIGNS, RIGHT?
SO IF YOU'RE AN O'TOOLE VOTER, 
WHAT ATTRACTED YOU?
BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE GREAT 
POSITIVE THINGS FOR US GOING 
FORWARD, BUT IT'S NOT 
NECESSARILY JUST ABOUT ISSUES, 
IT'S ALSO ABOUT STYLE.
>> SURE IT IS.
MAXIME REASON A LITTLE BIT OF A 
TRUDEAU STYLE CAMPAIGN, WITH THE
SPEECHES AND THE SLICK VIDEO.
>> IF IT'S BERNIER, THE PARTY IS
SAYING WE WANT TA DIFFERENT 
DIRECTION.
THE STEPHEN HARPER STUFF WE 
STUCK WITH TEN YEARS, WE WANT TO
TRY DIFFERENT THINGS.
IF THE PARTY CHOOSES SCHEER, AND
I THINK THAT PETER IS RIGHT, 
MOST OF O'TOOLE SUPPORTERS ARE 
IN LINE WITH SCHEER, THEN WE 
HAVE THINGS THE WAY WE WANT 
THEM, WE JUST WANT TO PUT A 
DIFFERENT FACE ON THEM.
THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION
BETWEEN A RADICAL CHANGE THAT 
MAY BE BERNIER WOULD BE HAPPY TO
WATER DOWN IN A POLICY 
CONVENTION, OR SOMEONE WHO -- 
I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, ANDREW 
SCHEER DOES NOT HAVE A SUPER 
DETAILED POLICY PLAN BY ANY WAY,
SHAPE OR FORM AND HAS A LOT OF 
IDEAS THAT CONSERVATIVES HAVE 
ESPOUSED FOR SOME TIME.
CONSERVATIVES DON'T HAVE A 
PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT THEY'RE 
CHOOSING TO PUT A YOUNG GUY, A 
FAMILY, HAPPY FACE ON THE PARTY 
AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK POLICY 
WISE THE SAME.
>> I DON'T THINK CANADIANS HAVE 
A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER.
IF YOU'RE SAYING HE'S HARPER 
LIGHT IN TERMS OF THE 
PRESENTATION, LOOK, WE WON A 
MAJORITY GOVERNMENT ON THOSE 
POLICIES.
>> Peter: LET'S BRING IN ANDREW 
AND ALTHIA, CHANTAL IS WRITING 
HER COLUMN, ANDREW, WHERE IS 
YOUR HEAD AT?
>> BESIDES SPIN?
LOOK, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO DEPEND
ON WHO ARE THE O'TOOLE VOTERS?
IT'S NOT JUST ERIN O'TOOLE, BUT 
THE PEOPLE WHO CROSSED OVER, 
SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH, A 
MIXTURE OF CHONG AND LISA RAITT 
VOTERS.
ARE THEY MORE ATTRACTED BY THE 
SOCIAL AGGRESSIVE SIDE OF 
BERNIER OR THE POLICIES 
MODERATION OF SCHEER.
ARE THEY MORE ESTABLISHMENT TYPE
VOTERS OR SHAKE THINGS UP AND I 
DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
>> Peter: I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY 
DOES AT THIS SECOND, EXCEPT 
THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE 
NUMBERINGS AS THEY GET READY TO 
ANNOUNCE THEM FROM THE STAGE.
ALTHIA, WHAT ABOUT YOU?
>> I THINK IF THIS WAS A 
DELEGATED CONVENTION, OR YOU 
COULD VOTE ROUND BY ROUND, I 
THINK THAT SCHEER SHOULD BE 
CONFIDENT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A 
MAIL IN BALLOT, UNLESS YOU 
FILLED OUT YOUR BALLOT TO THE 
END, A LOT OF THE -- WE'RE 
TALKING ABOUT ERIN O'TOOLE 
VOTERS, BUT MAYBE THOSE ERIN 
O'TOOLE VOTERS DIDN'T PUT ANDREW
SCHEER OR MAXIME BERNIER ON 
THEIR BALLOT, SO THEY'LL BALLOTS
WILL DIE.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
THERE IS STILL THE WILD CARD.
I BUMPED INTO MAXIME BERNIER 
BEFORE THE LAST RESULTS WERE 
ANNOUNCED AND HE TOLD ME HE WAS 
REALLY NERVOUS, BUT WAS 
CONFIDENT BECAUSE HE HAD REACHED
THAT 6% GAP HE WAS LOOKING FOR.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY THAT GAP HAS 
SHRUNK, SO I DON'T THINK HE IS 
AS CONFIDENT AS HE WAS FIVE 
MINUTES AGO.
THERE IS OVERLAP THERE IN THE 
VISIONS, RIGHT?
MARSHALL, SCHEER'S CAMPAIGN 
MANAGER TOLD ME HE BELIEFS THE 
STORY OUT OF THE CONTEST IS A 
DEBATE BETWEEN THE HARPER 
VISION, PEOPLE WHO ARE SATISFIED
WITH HARPER GOVERNMENT AND THE 
TYPE OF GOVERNMENT HE PROVIDED 
AND THE POLICIES HE PROVIDED, 
AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SATISFIED
WITH STEPHEN HARPER AND WANT THE
PARTY TO PUSH IN A BOLD AND 
DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
AND PERHAPS THAT IS WHAT WE'RE 
SEEING.
I KNOW ANDREW WANTS TO GET INTO.
>> I THINK THERE IS A THIRD 
DIMENSION THERE, WHICH IS THE SO
CONS WHO WERE NOT WELL SERVED 
UNDER THE HARPER GOVERNMENT.
SO SCHEER HAS THOSE VOTERS, AS 
WELL AS THE ESTABLISHMENT, SO 
MAYBE IF SCHEER DOES TAKE IT, 
IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A BRIDGE 
BETWEEN THE TWO FACTIONS, THE SO
CONS AND THE MORE ESTABLISHMENT 
STEADY AS SHE GOES TYPE OF 
VOTERS.
>> Peter: HE MAY BE THE BRIDGE, 
BUT WHAT IS HE GOING TO ALLOW 
THEM TO DO?
>> THAT'S INTERESTING, A YEAR 
AGO WE WERE AT THE CONVENTION 
AND THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES 
HAVE MOBILIZED HERE TODAY AND 
ARE TELLING THE NEW LEADER WE'RE
A LOT STRONGER THAN YOU THINK WE
ARE, WE'RE MORE VOCAL, AND WE 
CAN PLACE DEMANDS ON YOU.
THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY 
INTERESTING IN TERMS OF 
MANAGEMENT AND MANAGEMENT FOR 
THE 2019 ELECTION.
>> Peter: I WONDER IF WE MISSED 
THAT STORY.
THERE WAS SO MUCH FOCUS ON THE 
KELLIE LEITCH ISSUES AROUND 
IMMIGRATION THAT WE KIND OF 
MISSED THE STORY THAT WAS 
DEVELOPING WITHIN THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY ON THE PUSH 
BY THE SO CONS TO HAVE THEIR 
VOICE HEARD.
>> WELL, THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO 
TALK ABOUT THEM.
WE DID PROFILES, LENGTHY 
PROFILES ON ALL OF THE 
CANDIDATES, DIGGING INTO THEIR 
PERSONAL STORIES, POLICIES AND 
WHAT WAS PUSHING THEM TO RUN.
I HEARD 11,000 WORDS ON MAXIME 
BERNIER.
THEY REFUSED TO BE INTERVIEWED.
THEY WANTED TO BE UNDER THE 
RADAR.
THEY DID NOT WANT THE MEDIA AND 
THE PUBLIC TO REALIZE THE 
INFLUENCE THEY YIELD.
THEY WANTED TO COME TO THE 
CONVENTION AND SURPRISE ALL OF 
US.
THEY KNEW WHAT THEIR INFLUENCE 
WAS.
THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO TRY TO 
SORT OF CREATE HYSTERIA AND MUTE
THE ABILITY OF THEM TO HAVE A 
POWERFUL VOICE AS THEY'RE HAVING
TODAY ON THE FLOOR.
>> Peter: ALL RIGHT.
INTERESTING, BOTH OF YOU.
THANK YOU.
MINUTES AWAY THEY TELL US.
THE DECISION IS BEING MADE ON 
THE PART OF THOSE, THE TWO 
CANDIDATES WHO ARE LEFT IN THE 
RACE.
ANDREW SCHEER AND MAXIME 
BERNIER, THAT THEY WILL BE IN 
THEIR SEATS WITH THEIR FAMILIES,
AWAITING THE RESULTS AS THEY ARE
NOW ON STAGE.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THAT?
THE WINNING CANDIDATE WILL HEAD 
UP TO THE FRONT.
YOU PROBABLY, WITH THE ONE 
FINISHING SECOND, THERE IS A 
KIND OF TRADITION IN MOST 
LEADERSHIP CONVENTIONS WHERE THE
LOSER ON THE FINAL BALLOT KIND 
OF SUGGESTS THIS SHOULD BE MADE 
UNANIMOUS AND THEN THE WINNING 
CANDIDATE WILL THEN SPEAK TO THE
CONVENTION.
WE'LL CARRY THAT SPEECH COMING 
UP ON 8:00 IN THE EAST.
MAXIME BERNIER HAS RETURNED TO 
HIS SEAT.
AND SITTING JUST ACROSS FROM 
HIM, AT LEAST THE SPOT WHERE HE 
WILL BE SITTING --
>> THEY KNOW?
>> THEY MUST KNOW.
>> IT'S TERRIBLE.
>> THIS IS VERY INTERESTING TO 
LOOK AT THE EXPRESSION ON 
PEOPLES' FACES.
I THINK, ONE THING I CAN PREDICT
RIGHT NOW, EVEN IF THERE WAS A 
STANLEY CUP FINAL HOCKEY GAME 
GOING ON RIGHT NOW, CBC WOULD 
NOT LEAVE THIS CONVENTION TO 
COVER THAT GAME.
>> WE DO NOT DO THAT.
WE LOVE THIS.
>> Peter: REALLY?
YOU KNOW WHAT WE TEND TO DO IN 
THIS BUSINESS SOMETIMES IS TRY 
TO ANALYZE PEOPLES' FACES AT A 
TIME LIKE THIS.
YOU'RE THERE BEFORE THE PUBLIC, 
YOU'RE THERE IN FRONT OF 
EVERYBODY.
YOU MAY WELL HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD
WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
KEVIN GAVE US A SENSE WHEN HE 
WAS IN THE RACE THAT HE MAYBE 
GIVE A HEADS-UP TO THE WINNER.
>> CAN YOU TELL FROM THEIR FACES
WHAT THEY THINK?
>> I'M SAYING WHEN YOU LOOK AT 
THE FACE, YOU WONDER.
>> I THINK I KNOW.
>> LOOK AT BERNIER.
THEY'RE SITTING ACROSS FROM EACH
OTHER.
>> I THINK THEY KNOW.
>> Rosy: THEY KNOW.
>> Peter: I'M SURE THEY KNOW, 
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING.
I'M TRYING TO SAY -- 
>> Rosy: WHAT DO THEY KNOW?
>> Peter: WHAT DOES THAT FACE 
TELL YOU?
>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A 
MARTIN CHRETIEN SITUATION, THESE
ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED 
TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME AND 
WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THE BODY 
LANGUAGE BETWEEN THE TWO OF 
THEM, THERE IS NO ANIMOSITY.
>> EVERYBODY IS ONE HAPPY 
FAMILY, MICHELE.
>> WE ARE, KEVIN.
WHEN YOU FIGHT IN THE TRENCHES, 
WHEN YOU GO TO BATTLE WITH 
PEOPLE IN THE ELECTIONS, YOU ARE
FAMILY.
>> I CALL IT A CIVIL WAR.
>> I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO --
>> LOOK AT HIS FACE, OH, MY 
GOSH.
>> Peter: I DON'T KNOW.
LOOKS TENSE.
I THINK WE CAN DRAW OUR 
CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE LOOKS ON 
THE FACES.
WOW.
>> Rosy: YEAH.
>> TENSE.
ANY NUMBER OF THINGS COULD BE 
GOING THROUGH HIS MIND, YOU 
KNOW, THINKING ABOUT HIS FAMILY,
AND ABOUT HIS FATHER, AND PAST 
RACES THAT HIS FAMILY HAS BEEN 
IN.
>> Rosy: HE'S ALSO BEEN ON THE 
ROAD FOR A YEAR, LONGER THAN 
ANDREW SCHEER.
>> Peter: HE IS TIRED, I'M SURE.
>> SECOND ONLY TO KELLIE LEITCH.
>> HE DOES NOT LOOK COMFORTABLE,
I'VE GOT TO SAY THAT.
MIND YOU, WE'RE NOT ANALYING 
EVERY LOOK ON ANDREW SCHEER'S 
FACE.
SO, THAT'S ANDREW SCHEER'S 
DAUGHTER.
KIND OF DAM NATING -- DOMINATING
THE CAMERA SHOT AT THIS MOMENT.
SO IT'S AGONIZING FEW MOMENTS NO
MATTER WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT 
THESE THINGS.
YOU'VE BEEN THERE PETER AS YOU 
WAIT FOR THE FINAL ANNOUNCEMENT.
>> THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT 
OF ANXIETY, I THINK, GIVEN ALL 
THE EFFORT THAT IS PUT IN.
AND IT TAKES A TOLL ON YOUR 
FAMILY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER IN 
THE BROADCAST, THERE IS A GREAT 
SACRIFICE ON THE PART OF 
FAMILIES AND IT'S NICE TO SEE 
FAMILIES CELEBRATED HERE, WITH 
J.P. BEING UP ON THE STAGE WITH 
RONA, AND THAT'S MUCH BETTER 
TODAY THAN IT USED TO BE.
>> WHILE WE'RE KILLING TIME, WE 
HAVE A FULL ROOM HERE, BUT WE 
HAVE PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, 
ELECTION WATCH PARTIES AND I 
WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MY 
RIDING, CALGARY NOSE HILL, HI, 
RIDING.
>> Peter: ALL RIGHT, YOU'VE DONE
IT.
>> I HAD TO ADMIT, IT'S A WHOLE 
LOT MORE EXCITING GIVEN WE KNOW 
THE OUTCOME.
SOMEBODY KNOWS.
>> WE HAD FUN, KEVIN.
>> Rosy: CAN I MAKE A POINT 
ABOUT ANDREW SCHEER, IN CASE HE 
DOES WIN.
IT IS WORTH REMEMBERING HE WAS 
THE YOUNGEST SPEAKER EVER 
ELECTED TO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS 
AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF 
MOMENTS DURING THE LEADERSHIP 
RACE WHERE PEOPLE WONDERED 
WHETHER HE KNEW HOW TO BE AS 
PARTISAN AS THE REST OF THEM, 
BECAUSE HE HAD PUT HIMSELF IN 
THAT NEUTRAL POLITICAL ROLE FOR 
SO LONG, WHERE HE WASN'T -- I 
THINK THE WORD ERIN O'TOOLE 
USED, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, IN THE 
TRENCHES.
THAT WAS THE NICEST THING TO 
SAY, BUT IT'S NOT UNTRUE.
HE HAS NOT BEEN BATTLING IT OUT 
IN QUESTION PERIOD FOR AS LONG 
AS SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT
RAN, OR SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE
IN THE CAUCUS.
SO IF HE DOES WIN, HE'S GOING TO
HAVE TO PROVE, VERY QUICKLY, HE 
HAS THE CHOPS TO DO THAT, TO 
TAKE ON THE PRIME MINISTER AND 
OTHERS EVERY DAY.
>> ANOTHER INTERPRETATION OF 
THAT, MAYBE THAT'S NOT WHAT THE 
MEMBERSHIP AND CANADIANS WANT.
MAYBE SOMEBODY LESS PARTISAN, 
LESS ATTACK DOG, LET'S GET DOWN 
TO PROVIDING A THOUGHTFUL, 
SENSIBLE ALTERNATIVE.
>> SURE, AND I DON'T THINK 
MAXIME BERNIER IS AN ATTACK DOG 
EITHER, BUT I THINK THAT ANDREW 
SCHEER IS A BIT UNTESTED IN 
THOSE WATERS, AND IT WILL BE 
INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT APPROACH
HE DOES TAKE, WHEN HE HAS TO GO 
IN FRONT OF THE --
>> YOU SAID EARLIER, MAYBE YOU 
ROSY, TALKING ABOUT SCHEER BEING
A YOUNG HARP HERB, MAYBE THAT'S 
TRUE, MAYBE THAT HE WANT TO STAY
THE COURSE, HE WAS ONE OF THE 
MOST SUCCESSFUL CONSERVATIVES IN
HISTORY.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
>> I THINK HIS EXPERIENCE AS 
SPEAKER, TOO, HELPS HIM HAVING 
PRESIDED OVER THE ENTIRE HOUSE 
OF COMMONS, THAT'S NOT AN EASY 
TASK.
I THINK THAT IN SOME WAYS IT MAY
REMOVE HIM FROM THE OLD GUARD.
THE STUFF THAT WAS HAPPENING 
UNDER HARPER.
I PUT THAT OUT THERE, ONE OF THE
THINGS THIS WAS SAID ABOUT HIM 
DURING THE RACE AND SOMETHING TO
KEEP IN MIND AS WE WAIT TO SEE 
WHETHER HE WINS OR NOT.
>> Peter: JUST A COUPLE OF BASIC
FACTS ABOUT THE SCHEERS, YOU SEE
THEM IN THE FAMILY SITUATION.
THE SCHEERS HAVE FIVE CHILDREN.
ANDREW SCHEER IS ONLY 38 YEARS 
OLD.
BORN 1979.
BORN IN OTTAWA, ACTUALLY.
BUT HE LIVES IN SASKATCHEWAN, 
HE'S M.P. FOR REGINA.
>> LOOKING LIKE DIEFENBAKER IN 
THAT POSE.
>> YEAH, WITH THE HAND IN FRONT 
LIKE THAT.
THAT IS A CLASSIC DIEFENBAKER.
>> WELL THAT'S KIND OF TELLING.
>> HE'S PRETTY CONFIDENT.
>> Rosy: YEAH.
>> Peter: WELL, IF HE IS THE 
WINNER, AND HE'S KIND OF ACTING 
LIKE ONE RIGHT NOW, IF HE IS THE
WINNER, IT'S A REMARKABLE STORY,
BECAUSE AT NO POINT IN THIS 
CAMPAIGN WERE THE HEADLINES 
EVER, SCHEER IS LEADING.
HE GOES THROUGH 13 BALLOTS, 12 
OF THEM HE'S SECOND.
I MEAN, [LAUGHTER], IT'S QUITE A
STORY.
>> IT IS A REMARKABLE STORY AND 
AGAIN, AS MUCH AS WE'VE TALKED 
ABOUT PROCESS HERE, IT'S A 
PROCESS THAT WORKS.
IT RESPECTS THIS IS AN OFTEN 
OVERUSED TERM, BUT THE 
GRASSROOTS OF THE PARTY WERE 
VERY ENGAGED, VERY INVOLVED IN 
THE DECISION IN PICKING THEIR 
LEADER.
AND THESE CANDIDATES ARE ALL 
ROAD-TESTED.
LET'S NOT --
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN -- WELL,
THEY'RE GOING TO STRETCH IT OUT 
ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES.
>> Rosy: I WONDER, I'D BE 
INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM 
PETER, THE OTHER PETER, ABOUT 
WHAT HAPPENS TO BERNIER IF HE 
DOESN'T HAVE THIS AND HE'S LOST?
WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF MAXIME 
BERNIER IN THIS PARTY BECAUSE HE
HAD BEEN, ONE POINT, WHEN HE WAS
CABINET MINISTER, AT THE PEAK OF
HIS CAREER, WENT BACK DOWN INTO 
THE DITCHES, HE WORKED HIS WAY 
BACK OUT, REHABILITATED HIS 
REPUTATION IN A MAJOR WAY, MAYBE
KEVIN HAS AN OPINION ON THIS AS 
WELL, AND IF HE DOESN'T WIN 
THIS, DOES HE WANT TO STICK 
AROUND?
WHETHER HE SHOULD GO BACK TO HIS
PRIVATE BUSINESS?
>>   --
>> THIS IS IT, HE'S NOT GOING TO
HAVE ANOTHER KICK AT THE CAN.
>> THAT'S A VALID POINT, DOES HE
GO BACK TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR 
AND MONETIZE THIS BRAND HE'S 
BUILT, THAT'S AN OPTION.
BUT HE'S MET A LOT OF PEOPLE 
THAT COUNTED HIM OUT AS YOU 
SUGGESTED THROUGH HIS TRIALS TEN
YEARS AGO AND HERE HE IS ON THE 
CUSP OF WINNING OR NOT.
WE'RE GOING TO KNOW IN FOUR 
MINUTES.
BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR -- IF HE'S 
BUILT THAT BRAND, WHY NOT STICK 
IT OUT?
TAKE A BIG MANDATE.
>> THERE IS TALK OF THE CAMPAIGN
MANAGER, JOHN REYNOLDS, THAT 
PEOPLE -- 
>> Peter: IT'S FUNNY, IT'S A LOT
EASIER TO PAINT THE PICTURE FOR 
WHERE ANDREW SCHEER IS IF HE 
LOSES THIS.
IN TERMS OF HIS FUTURE IN THE 
PARTY.
 
>> IT'S PRETTY BRIGHT FUTURE FOR
HIM, I WOULD SAY.
>> Peter: YEAH, IF HE FINISHED 
SECOND, VERY BRIGHT.
FOR MAXIME BERNIER, IT'S A 
HARDER PICTURE TO PAINT.
BECAUSE HE'S BEEN CONSIDERED THE
FRONT-RUNNER FOR THE LAST MONTH.
>> Rosy: IT'S WORSE.
>> WHERE DOES LISA RAITT END UP?
I THOUGHT SHE WAS SUCH A 
COMPETENT ADMINISTRATOR, SHE 
SHOULD GET A HUGE MANDATE, 
WHOEVER WINS?
>> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE 
STRENGTH OF SOME OF THE 
CANDIDATES ON THE BLALT, THAT'S 
A CABINET IN WAITING.
>> I'M SURPRISED SHE DIDN'T DO 
WAY BETTER.
>> LISA IS ONE OF MY BEST 
FRIENDS, I'M SO PROUD OF HER 
RUNNING THE CAMPAIGN.
>> WHY DIDN'T SHE DO BETTER IN 
HER OPINION?
>> KEVIN, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE 
FAMILIES AND PEOPLE IN THEIR 
LIFE, I'M PROUD OF HER TAKING A 
STAND ON CERTAIN ISSUES.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHY THINGS GO ONE
WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT I'M LOOKING 
FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SERVE 
WITH HER IN OUR GOVERNMENT IN 
2019.
>> SHE'S VERY GOOD.
>> Rosy: SHE'S IN BETTER SHAPE 
THAN KELLIE LEITCH, EVEN IF SHE 
WAS LOWER ON THE BALLOT AND 
THAT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE 
APPRECIATED THE TONE THAT LISA 
RAITT PUT FORWARD, THE WAY SHE 
BECAME A COMPASSIONATE VOICE, 
SHE STOOD UP TO KELLIE LEITCH.
I THINK HER FUTURE IS BRIGHTER 
THAN KELLIE LEITCH.
>> SHE'S A UNIFIRE.
>> Peter: LOOK AT MICHAEL CHONG,
BACK IN THE GAME.
>> BUT MICHELE IS RIGHT, THERE 
IS A STRONG PICK OF CABINET 
MINISTERS YOU'VE SEEN SHOWCASED 
THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN.
>> Sarah: SHADOW CABINET FIRST.
>> BUT NOT A LONG TIME.
>> YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT 
BENCH HAS MORE STRENGTH THAN 
SOME OF TRUDEAU CABINET 
MINISTERS IN TERMS OF 
EXPERIENCE, RIGHT?
>> Rosy: CAN I TELL YOU THAT 
JOHN BAIRD TWEETED?
>> Peter: WHO KIND OF FORECAST 
THIS.
>> Rosy: THIS IS TWEET THAT HE 
TWEETED AND DELIGHTED.
ANDREW SCHEER WILL BE A GREAT 
LEADER AND PRIME MINISTER, HE'S 
DELETED IT.
WE CAN STILL SEE THINGS.
>> Peter: PUSHED TWEET A LITTLE 
TOO EARLY.
MAYBE IT WAS A SCHEDULED TWEET.
>> JOHN BAIRD WE KNOW YOU HAVE 
PSYCHIC POWER.
NO.
>> Peter: ALL RIGHT.
THE TIME IS UP.
EMCEES ARE COMING OUT.
LET'S GO TO THE STAGE AND WATCH 
HOW THEY PLAY THIS OUT.
>> MY FRIENDS, IN A FEW SHORT 
MINUTES DAN NOLAN WILL COME OUT 
ON STAGE -- BE NICE.
AND ANNOUNCE WHO YOU HAVE CHOSEN
AS THE NEXT LEADER OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN A FEW MINUTES,
DAN NOWLAN WILL BE ANNOUNCING 
THE BALLOT.
THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY STAFF, AND 
THE NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR RUNNING
SUCH A PROFESSIONAL AND SMOOTH 
LEADERSHIP PROCESS.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: WE WANT TO THANK 
ALL THE CANDIDATES AND THANK 
THEM FOR THEIR MANY VOLUNTEERS.
>> YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD.
A BIG SHOUTOUT TO ALL MY 
CONSERVATIVE COLLEAGUES IN 
PARLIAMENT, ESPECIALLY OUR 
INTERIM LEADER RONA AMBROSE.
EVERYONE REFUSED TO LET A 
LEADERSHIP RACE GET IN THE WAY 
OF HOLDING MR. TRUDEAU AND HIS 
GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT.
MANY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: IN CLOSING, A 
POLITICAL PARTY IS NOTHING 
WITHOUT ITS MEMBERS.
THANKS TO THE 260,000 MEMBERS 
WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS VOTE.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO GET STRONGER 
RIGHT UP TO THE ELECTION IN 
2019.
>> WITH FURTHER ADIEU, WELCOME 
DAN NOWLAN WHO HAS SOMETHING 
VERY IMPORTANT TO ANNOUNCE.
>> I HAVE THE ENVELOPE.
THE RIGHT ENVELOPE, I JUST 
CHECKED.
[LAUGHTER] BEFORE I TELL YOU 
WHAT IT SAYS, THOUGH, THERE IS A
COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO DO.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE 
GAVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO 
CANDICE BERGEN AND CAROLINA 
MULRONEY, THEY DID A FANTASTIC 
JOB.
THANKS TO CANDACE AND CAROLINE, 
YOU DID FANTASTIC WORK.
>> THERE IS ONE OTHER THANK YOU 
I WANTED TO GIVE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS REMISS
IN NOT THANKING OUR SERVICE 
PROVIDER ON THE VOTING IS A 
REALLY EXCITING CANADIAN SUCCESS
STORY.
IT'S CALLED DOMINION VOTING.
THEY SET UP THE PROCESS AND IT'S
A REAL EXCITING CANADIAN 
TECHNOLOGY COMPANY.
I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
[APPLAUSE]
OK.
SO, THERE WERE 141,362 VOTES 
CAST.
[APPLAUSE]
THE LARGEST IN CANADIAN HISTORY.
SO THANK YOU ALL CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY MEMBERS ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY.
THIS WAS TRULY A REMARKABLE RACE
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR 
PARTICIPATING.
>> AND THE NEXT LEADER OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA 
WITH 51% OF THE VOTE... 
[Speaking French]
ANDREW SCHEER!
>> THE NEXT LEADER, ANDREW 
SCHEER.
[APPLAUSE]
[CHEERING]
[CHEERING]
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> Peter: WELL, THERE YOU HAVE 
IT, TO SOME THIS IS A HUGE 
SURPRISE, ANDREW SCHEER, THE 
FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS, 38 YEARS OLD FROM 
SASKATCHEWAN, BECOMES THE NEXT 
LEADER.
THE SECOND LEADER OF THE MODERN 
DAY --
>> HOW SURPRISED ARE YOU WITH 
THIS RESULT?
>> Interview: IT'S ABOUT WHAT WE
THOUGHT.
THERE WAS A PATH AND IT WOULD 
TAKE A LOT OF ROUNDS.
AND THERE IS A -- WE KNEW IT 
WOULD COME DOWN TO --
>> HOW DO YOU THINK YOU WENT 
FROM SECOND ALL NIGHT TO FIRST?
WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU GOT THAT 
SUPPORT?
>> BY RUNNING A CAMPAIGN THAT 
FOCUSES ON THE TYPES OF ISSUES 
THAT BRINGS CONSERVATIVES 
TOGETHER.
AS OTHER CANDIDATES DROP OFF, 
THEY LOOK FOR THAT UNITY.
>> WHERE DO YOU GO FROM HERE?
>> OVER THERE, WITHOUT STEPPING 
ON MY KIDS.
[ ♪♪♪ ]
>> Peter: ANDREW SCHEER HAVING A
FEW WORDS WITH HANNAH THIBEDEAU.
WHILE MAXIME BERNIER, GOT TO BE 
DISAPPOINTED.
[Speaking French]
[Speaking French]
WHAT HAPPENED, MR. BERNIER?
>> TELL ME.
[Speaking French]
>> Reporter: ARE YOU READY TO BE
A PART OF ANDREW SCHEER'S TEAM?
>> Interview: I'M PART OF IT AS 
A CONSERVATIVE, AND, YES, WE'LL 
WORK TOGETHER.
HE'S A FRIEND OF MINE.
WE ALL FRIENDS.
IT'S A BIG THING.
I'LL BE THERE.
>> Peter: MAXIME BERNIER SAYING 
THEY'RE FRIENDS, ANDREW SCHEER 
IS A FRIEND, AND HE'LL BE THERE 
FOR HIM.
HERE'S ANDREW SCHEER.
[CHEERING]
>> Peter: WHAT A TIGHT WIN, 
50.95%.
13 BALLOTS.
[CHANTING] 
[CHEERING]
>> Peter: STEPHEN HARPER JUST 
TWEETED TO HIS SUCCESSOR, HIS 
CONGRATULATIONS, MOVE FORWARD 
UNITED.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WHAT A RACE THIS HAS BEEN.
THIS MAKES A 78-DAY CAMPAIGN 
LOOK LIKE A WALK IN THE PARK.
FIRST OF ALL, A FEW THANKS.
TO MY WIFE JILL.
[CHEERING]
[APPLAUSE]
I MEAN THERE AREN'T ENOUGH WORDS
TO DESCRIBE THE SUPPORT SHE HAS 
GIVEN ME, THE SACRIFICES I'VE 
ASKED HER TO MAKE AND THE FACT 
SHE STOOD BY MY SIDE THIS ENTIRE
TIME IS THE GREATEST HONOUR I'VE
HAD IN MY LIFE.
[APPLAUSE]
AND MY KIDS, THOMAS, GRACE, 
MADDIE, HENRY, AND MARY, THAT'S 
IT.
SO FAR.
[LAUGHTER] 
>> ALL THE SACRIFICES THEY'VE 
MADE, TOO, THE FACT THEY'VE 
ALLOWED KNOW DO THIS, THANK YOU 
TO MY KIDS.
>> TO MY AMAZING CAMPAIGN, MY 
SUPPORTERS AND VOLUNTEERS, THANK
YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: THANK YOU FOR ALL
OF YOUR WORK.
YOU HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY AND 
THIS WIN IS BECAUSE OF YOUR 
WORK, YOUR EFFORTS, YOUR BELIEF 
NOT JUST IN ME, BUT YOUR 
CONSERVATIVE VISION FOR CANADA.
[APPLAUSE]
[Speaking French]
AND TO MY CAMPAIGN TEAM, YOU DID
AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB.
AND IT'S THANKS TO YOU THAT THIS
VICTORY WAS POSSIBLE, THANK YOU 
VERY MUCH.
I WANT TO PAY A SPECIAL AND ASK 
FOR A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR 
MAXIME BERNIER.
[APPLAUSE]
[CHEERING]
A GREAT CAMPAIGN, A CAMPAIGN OF 
IDEAS THAT HE BELIEVES IN VERY 
FERVENTLY AND HAS HELPED GROWN 
THIS MOVEMENT AND TO ALL MY 
FELLOW CANDIDATES.
THESE PAST MONTHS HAVE SEEN US 
CRISSCROSS THIS COUNTRY, MAKING 
PITCHES TO CANADIANS.
IT HAS MEANT TIME AWAY FROM YOUR
FAMILIES AND EVERYDAY LIVES, 
WHAT A SACRIFICE THIS HAS BEEN 
FOR ALL OF YOU, I RESPECT EACH 
AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, WE HAVE 
ALL GROWN BECAUSE OF YOUR HARD 
WORK.
>> YOU HAVE EACH BROUGHT YOUR 
PASSION AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN 
TO THE CENTRE STAGE, YOU HAVE 
MADE THIS A CAMPAIGN OF IDEAS 
AND I PLAN TO ENSURE THAT THE 
VERY BEST OF THE IDEAS ARE 
CARRIED ON AND PUT FORWARD AND 
HELP US WIN IN 2019.
[CHEERING]
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
NOW, TO RONA AMBROSE.
YOU KNOW, MANY INTERIM LEADERS, 
YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE BEEN JUST 
CONTENT TO MERELY JUST TRY TO 
KEEP THE PARTY TOGETHER AND ON 
ITS FEET AFTER 2015.
BUT YOUR STEWARDSHIP OF OUR 
PARTY HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE THESE 
PAST 18 MONTHS.
OUR MEMBERSHIP HAS GROWN, OUR 
FUNDRAISING IS STRONG, OUR 
CAUCUS IS UNITED AND YOU HAVE 
BEEN LEADING THE TEAM, HOLDING 
JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S LIBERALS TO 
ACCOUNT EVERY SINGLE DAY, 
WHETHER HE SHOWS UP OR NOT.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: OUR MEMBERSHIP 
HAS GONE UP, OUR FINANCES ARE 
SOUND, OUR CAUCUS IS UNITED AND 
YOU HAVE LED OUR TEAM AND FORCED
JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO BE ACCOUNTABLE
EVERY DAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP 
AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE PARTY 
AND TO YOUR COUNTRY.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>> I KNOW THAT I HAVE VERY BIG 
SHOES TO FILL, RONA, WELL, NOT 
PHYSICALLY VERY BIG.
BUT VERY STYLISH.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK STEPHEN 
HARPER.
[CHEERING]
THE FIRST LEADER OF THIS UNITED 
AND DYNAMIC CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY -- 
[CHEERING]
-- A MAN WHOSE LEADERSHIP I 
ENJOYED WORKING UNDER AND A MAN 
WHO WILL ALWAYS STAND TALL IN 
THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT.
[APPLAUSE]
HIS PRINCIPLE POSITION ALLOWED 
FLAD TO STAND TALL ON -- CANADA 
TO STAND TALL ON THE WORLD STAGE
WITH OUR ALLIES.
AND HE SET AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT
IS TO FIGHT FOR CONSERVATIVE 
VALUES BOTH IN CANADA AND AROUND
THE WORLD.
AND TO MY EXTENDED FAMILY, MY 
DAD IS HERE WITH ME TONIGHT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I LOST MY MOM 
THROUGH THE CAMPAIGN, I WANT TO 
THANK EVERYBODY WHO SENT THEIR 
BEST WISHES TO ME, MY COUSINS 
AND FAMILY ARE HERE THROUGHOUT 
THE COUNTRY, THANK YOU FOR THE 
SUPPORT YOU'VE GIVEN AS WELL.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: AND NOW, TODAY, 
THE WORK BEGINS.
WE KNOW THAT CONSERVATIVES' 
SOLUTIONS ARE THE BEST RESPONSES
TO THE ISSUES WHICH WE ARE 
CONFRONTED WITH.
IN THE NEXT MONTHS WE WILL HAVE 
TO COMMUNICATE THOSE 
CONSERVATIVE VALUES TO GREATER 
NUMBER OF CANADIANS.
THE NEXT CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT
WILL BE LOOKING FOR NEW WAYS TO 
MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE, BY 
CUTTING YOUR TAXES, MAKE IT 
EASIER FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO
CREATE JOBS.
[APPLAUSE]
AND WE WILL END THE LIBERAL 
POLICIES THAT MAKE IT HARDER TO 
START NEW BUSINESSES.
MAKE LIFE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR 
FAMILIES AND NOT PUNISH HARD 
WORK AND SUCCESS.
[APPLAUSE]
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: DURING THE 
CAMPAIGN, I WAS ABLE TO VISIT A 
NUMBER OF REGIONS ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY.
INCLUDING QUEÉBEC.
I WAS ABLE TO SEE THAT LY [A 
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CE. CAN RELY ON AN
EXTRAORDINARY QUÉBEC TEAM.
AND UNLIKE JUSTIN TRUDEAU, WE 
WILL LOOK AFTER QUÉBEC.
WE ARE THE PARTY THAT RECOGNIZED
QUÉBEC AS A NATION, AND WE WILL 
ALWAYS WORK IN THE INTEREST OF 
QUÉBEC.
WE ARE THE PARTY OF THE REGIONS,
WE WILL DEFEND OUR FOREST 
WORKERS AND AGRICULTURAL WORKERS
TIRELESSLY.
CONSERVATIVES HAVE AND ALWAYS 
WILL BE THE PARTY OF PROSPERITY,
NOT ENVY.
[APPLAUSE]
>> THE PARTY THAT ALWAYS 
REPRESENTS TAXPAYERS, NOT 
CONNECTED OTTAWA INSIDERS.
[APPLAUSE]
AND WE ARE THE PARTY THAT 
BELIEVES THAT THERE IS MORE TO 
SOCIETY THAN JUST GOVERNMENT.
TRUDEAU'S LIBERALS ARE SO 
FOCUSED ON PHOTO-OPS AND 
SELFIEINGS, THEY DON'T CARE IF 
THEIR POLICIES HURT THE MIDDLE 
CLASS.
SUNNY WAYS DON'T PAY THE BILLS.
GIVEN WHAT HAS GONE ON IN 
OTTAWA, I THINK THE FORECAST FOR
SUNNY WAYS WAS LIKE SO MANY 
OTHER WEATHER FORECASTS WE'VE 
SEEN, BUT IT'S ALWAYS SUNNY IN 
THE CARIBBEAN.
[LAUGHTER]
TO MY FELLOW CANADIANS, THERE IS
A BETTER WAY, A SYSTEM THAT 
REWARDS HARD WORK AND SUCCESS 
WHICH BENEFITS ALL CANADIANS.
AS PRIME MINISTER, I WILL FOCUS 
ON RESULTS WITH CONSERVATIVE 
POLICIES THAT CREATE PROSPERITY 
AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR 
EVERY SINGLE CANADIAN.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: CONSERVATIVE 
POLICIES ARE THE ONES THAT 
CREATE PROSPERITY AND OFFER 
OPPORTUNITIES TO ALL CANADIANS.
WHICH IS WHY I WILL BRING US 
BACK TO BALANCED BUDGET AND END 
CORPORATE WELFARE.
WE HAVE TO GET A GRIP ON THIS 
OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING, IT'S 
NOT FAIR TO FUTURE GENERATIONS 
OF CANADIANS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS 
MOTIVATED ME SO MUCH IN THE 
CAMPAIGN IS THE VERY STRONG 
BELIEF THAT I CANNOT ALLOW 
JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO DO THE SAME 
THING TO MY FIVE CHILDREN THAT 
HIS FATHER DID TO MY GENERATION.
[APPLAUSE]
[CHANTING ANDREW] 
>> THERE IS GOING TO BE SO MUCH 
WORK TO DO.
THE LIBERAL CARBON TAX IS 
NOTHING MORE THAN A CASH GRAB.
[CHEERING]
I WILL REPEAL IT.
[APPLAUSE]
AND I'LL GO FURTHER BY SCRAPPING
THE G.S.T. OR H.S.T. FROM HOME 
HEATING ELECTRICITY.
BECAUSE ONLY A LIBERAL WOULD 
THINK THAT IN CANADA HEATING 
YOUR HOME IN THE WINTER IS A 
LUXURY.
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: I WILL CANCEL THE
CARBON TAX AND ELIMINATE G.S.T. 
ON ENERGY BILLS, BECAUSE ONLY A 
LIBERAL COULD THINK THAT IN 
CANADA IT IS A LUXURY TO BE ABLE
TO HEAT YOUR HOUSE DURING 
WINTER.
>> AND I WILL ALWAYS DEFEND THE 
RIGHT OF ANY PROVINCE WHICH DOES
NOT WANT TO IMPOSE JUSTIN 
TRUDEAU'S JOB-KILLING CARBON TAX
ON HIS PEOPLE.
[APPLAUSE]
I BELIEVE THAT THE FOUNDATION OF
OUR DEMOCRACY IS THE ABILITY TO 
HAVE A DEBATE ABOUT ANY SUBJECT.
THAT IS WHY I AM SO COMMITTED TO
DEFENDING FREE SPEECH.
[APPLAUSE]
I WILL WITHHOLD FEDERAL GRANTS 
FROM UNIVERSITIES THAT SHUT DOWN
DEBATE AND CAN'T STAND DIFFERENT
POINTS OF VIEW.
[CHEERING]
[CHANTING ANDREW] AND THERE ARE 
THREATS HERE AT HOME, BUT THERE 
ARE SO MANY AROUND THE WORLD.
I BELIEVE THAT RADICAL ISLAMIC 
TERRORISM IS A THREAT TO EVERY 
SINGLE CANADIAN -- 
[APPLAUSE]
-- WHICH IS WHY I WILL RECOMMIT 
OUR AIR FORCE TO THE FIGHT 
AGAINST ISIS.
[APPLAUSE]
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: I BELIEVE THAT 
RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM IS A 
THREAT TO ALL CANADIANS AND THAT
IS WHY I INTEND TO ENSURE THAT 
WE HAVE FIGHTERS WORKING AGAINST
ISIS AGAIN.
>> NOW, TO ALL CONSERVATIVES.
THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN MEMBERS FOR 
DECADES, AND THOSE WHO MAY HAVE 
JUST RECENTLY JOINED OUR 
MOVEMENT.
EVERY SINGLE KIND OF 
CONSERVATIVE IS WELCOME IN THIS 
PARTY AND THIS PARTY BELONGS TO 
ALL OF YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE 
WHEN CONSERVATIVES ARE DIVIDED.
WE WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN 
AGAIN.
WE WIN WHEN WE ARE UNITED.
THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN, ALL 
THE LEADERSHIP CANDIDATES AND I 
HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR EACH 
AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.
ALL THE LEADERSHIP CANDIDATES 
WORKING INDEPENDENTLY, GREW THIS
PARTY TO THE BIGGEST ITS EVER 
BEEN IN HISTORY.
[APPLAUSE]
NOW IMAGINE WHAT WE'LL DO WHEN 
WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER.
[CHEERING]
[Speaking French]
>> Translator: WE CAN'T AFFORD
>> Translator: WE CAN'T AFFORD 
ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF JUSTIN 
TRUDEAU.
>> WE CANNOT AFFORD FOUR MORE 
YEARS OF JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
BUT I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT 
THERE IS RENEWED HOPE FOR CANADA
STARTING TODAY.
I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE 
PAIN AND HARDSHIP THAT THE 
TRUDEAU LIBERALS ARE CAUSING 
CANADIANS IS JUST TEMPORARY.
THERE IS HOPE, BECAUSE 
CONSERVATIVES ARE UNITED.
BECAUSE WE ARE POSITIVE, BECAUSE
WE ARE STRONG, AND BECAUSE WE 
HAVE PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE 
VALUES AND BECAUSE WE'LL ALL 
WORK TOGETHER.
[Speaking French]
TO WIN IN 2019.
LET'S GET STARTED.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
[ ♪♪♪ ]
CAN I GET -- CAN I GET ALL THE 
CANDIDATES?
[ ♪♪♪ ]
ALL THE CANDIDATES AND ALL THE 
MEMBERS OF CAUCUS, CAN WE ALL 
COME UP ON STAGE?
>> Peter: HERE'S THE FIRST 
VISIBLE SIGN OF TRYING TO GATHER
UNITY WITHIN THE PARTY, BY 
ASKING ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES 
AND THE FORMER LEADER, THE 
INTERIM LEADER, RONA AMBROSE ON 
THE STAGE.
THE MOMENT THAT WAS ANNOUNCED, 
THAT ANDREW SCHEER BECAME LEADER
OF THE PARTY OF CONSERVATIVE, HE
DOESN'T BECOME LEADER OF THE 
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION UNTIL THEY 
GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN THE 
HOUSE OF COMMONS, THAT SO THAT 
WILL BE A COUPLE OF DAYS WHEN 
THAT HAPPENS.
ANDREW SCHEER, HE WAS THE 
YOUNGEST CANDIDATE IN THE RACE 
FOR LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE 
PARTY OF CANADA.
38 YEARS OLD.
FIRST SPEAKER, FORMER SPEAKER.
OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS TO 
BECOME A PARTY LEADER.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PRETTY 
WELL KNOWN SPEAKERS OVER THE 
YEARS IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
BUT ANDREW SCHEER BECOMES THE 
FIRST ONE TO ATTEMPT TO BECOME A
LEADER AND BECAME A LEADER IN 
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY, OF ANY 
PARTY, TO BECOME LEADER.
SO HIS SPEECH, IN MANY WAYS, WAS
A LONGER VERSION OF WHAT HE GAVE
LAST NIGHT.
BUT THERE WAS A LOFT REACHING 
OUT THERE, CONCEDING THE FACT 
THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT 
OPINIONS PUT OUT THERE DURING 
THE CAMPAIGN.
BUT HE WANTED TO MAKE ROOM IN 
HIS CONSERVATIVE PARTY FOR ALL 
THOSE.
NO MATTER WHAT.
>> Rosy: AND THAT'S IMPORTANT 
AND SO IS THIS MOMENT ON THE 
STAGE.
IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DO.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT MOMENT IN 
SPITE OF THAT.
IN THE SPEECH, A FEW THINGS THAT
STOOD OUT FOR ME, OBVIOUSLY A 
CALL FOR UNITY.
A MESSAGE FOR UNITY, THANKING 
THE FORMER LEADERS WITH GREAT 
APPEAL TO STEPHEN HARPER AND WE 
BELIEVE THAT ANDREW SCHEER IS A 
CONTINUATION OF STEPHEN HARPER 
POLICIES.
I THINK HIS POLICIES ARE NOT 
EXTREMELY FLUSHED OUT, BUT THE 
ONES HE DID POINT OUT ARE.
FOR NOW, HIS WEBSITE IS REPLACED
WITH A MESSAGE OF THANK YOU.
HE CRITICIZED AND WENT AFTER THE
PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU 
AND GAVE US A SENSE OF HOW HE'LL
ATTACK THE PRIME MINISTER GOING 
FORWARD.
THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO
SEND.
AND WHILE HE DID TALK ABOUT NOT 
WANTING TO A PARTY DIVIDED, THE 
ONE THING HE DID NOT EXPLICITLY 
DO IS TALK ABOUT ANY SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVE VALUES IN AN 
EXPLICIT AND OVERT WAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL UPSET 
ANYBODY, I'M NOT GOING TO READ 
INTO IT, BUT HE SIMPLY TALKED 
ABOUT UNIFYING THE PARTY AND NOT
LETTING -- HE DID WHAT HE HAD TO
DO IN THE SPEECH.
HE SPOKE WELL IN FRENCH.
AND HE IS WORKING THE CROWD AND 
THE PEOPLE THAT HE HAS DEFEATED 
AND WILL HAD NOW HAVE TO GET ON 
BOARD AND KEEP ONBOARD.
>> Peter: STILL TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT HOW HE DID THIS, GOING 
SECOND ON THE FIRST 12 BALLOTS 
AND WINNING ON THE 13TH.
IT WAS THE DROP OFF THE FINAL 
BALLOT OF ERIN O'TOOLE, AND 
WHERE HIS VOTES WENT MADE THE 
DECIDING FACTOR.
AS IT TURNED OUT, SCHEER GOT 
ABOUT 60% OF THE O'TOOLE VOTE 
AND THAT PUT HIM OVER THE TOP, 
BARELY OVER THE TOP, 50.95%, BUT
A WIN IS A WIN IS A WIN AS WE 
SAY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS CLOSE AS 95 
REFERENDUM IN QUÉBEC, WHERE IT 
WAS THAT CLOSE.
IT'S INTERESTING.
FOR MAXIME BERNIER ON THE LOSING
END OF BOTH THOSE VOTES.
>> HE WAS A SEPARATIST THEN.
>> Peter: HE VOTED YES IN THAT 
CAMPAIGN, ANYWAY.
CAN WE GET TO ERIC?
LET'S GET TO ERIC AND THEN I 
WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PANEL IN 
TERMS OF THAT SPEECH.
ERIC?
I'VE JUST GIVEN THAT ONE 
HEADLINE, SCHEER MANAGED TO 
REALLY GRAB A HUGE CHUNK OF THE 
O'TOOLE VOTE WHICH PUT HIM OVER 
THE TOP.
>> A LOT OF THE VOTE FROM ERIN 
O'TOOLE WENT OVER TO ANDREW 
SCHEER, MORE THAN HE NEEDED.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE MARGIN, 
LESS THAN 51% OF THE VOTE, AT 
LEAST THE POINTS.
WE DON'T KNOW THE VOTES, BUT 
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN 
PROVINCIALLY, ANDREW SCHEER WON 
ONTARIO, BRITISH COLUMBIA.
THE REASON MAXIME BERNIER IS NOT
THE ONE CELEBRATING, HE TOOK 
JUST 56% OF THE VOTE, 56% OF THE
POINTS IN QUÉBEC.
HE NEEDED TO DO MUCH BETTER THAN
THAT TO WIN.
SO CLEARLY HIS POSITION ON 
SUPPLY MANAGEMENT, WHICH WAS MET
WITH QUITE A BIT OF OPPOSITION 
IN QUÉBEC MIGHT HAVE BEEN A REAL
PROBLEM FOR HIM, BECAUSE HE 
WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN 
WELL OVER 60% IN THAT PROVINCE.
HE DID ONLY SLIGHTLY BETTER 
THERE THAN HE DID IN ALBERTA.
MAXIME BERNIER CAME UP SHORT AND
YOU COULD PROBABLY LOOK AT HIS 
HOME PROVINCE FOR THAT.
>> Peter: THANK YOU VERY MUCH 
FOR YOUR COMMENTS JUST NOW, BUT 
YOUR GUIDANCE THROUGHOUT THE 
LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, REMARKABLE 
TO HAVE YOU THERE TO HELP US 
WITH THE NUMBERS.
EÉRIC GRENIER, CBC POLL ANALYST.
AND KEVIN O'LEARY FIRST, BECAUSE
IT MAY WELL HAVE BEEN THE SUPPLY
MANAGEMENT ISSUE.
>> YOU'RE 100% RIGHT.
20,000 VOTES THAT ARE DEFINITELY
SUPPLY MANAGEMENT THAT ARE 
EASTERN -- EASTERN ONTARIO AND 
QUEÉBEC, THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
THAT WILL BE THE STORY OF THIS 
CAMPAIGN.
I THOUGHT THAT ISSUE WENT AWAY 
BECAUSE IT BROUGHT IN DURING THE
CAMPAIGN, BY WILBUR ROSS AND 
DONALD TRUMP SAYING WE CAN'T 
HAVE IT.
BERNIER LOOKED ON THE RIGHT 
SIDE, I THOUGHT THEY WOULD GET 
THE JOKE, THEY DIDN'T.
SUPPLY MANAGEMENT CHANGED THE 
OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION, I WAS 
BLOWN AWAY.
95 BASIS POINTS MADE THE 
DIFFERENCE.
IT'S ALL SUPPLY MANAGEMENT.
>> Peter: I WANT TO BRING IN 
PETER MacKAY.
BACK INTO THE CONVERSATION.
AS WELL AS MICHELLE REMPEL.
THAT SPEECH, WE ALL KNOW HE HAD 
TO PUT A UNIFIED MESSAGE, A 
UNIFYING MESSAGE TO BRING 
EVERYBODY INTO THE TENT.
BRUISED FEELINGS CAN HAPPEN 
AFTER A LEADERSHIP CONVENTION.
DID HE TOUCH ALL THE RIGHT BASES
IN THAT SPEECH?
IS THAT THE KIND OF SPEECH YOU 
CAN GO INTO CAUCUS ON MONDAY AND
FACE THE PARTY FROM DIFFERENT 
PARTS OVER THE COUNTRY AND NOT 
BE CONCERNED?
>> I WOULD SAY YES, I THINK HE 
GAVE A VERY GOOD SPEECH.
HE COVERED THE WATERFRONT.
HE WAS CONSISTENT AS YOU POINTED
OUT IN HIS EARLIER REMARKS.
AND I THINK THE PARTY ITSELF IS 
FEELING VERY INVIGORATED.
HE TOUCHED ON SOME OF THE KEY 
ISSUES, DEFENCE, SECURITY, VERY 
BIG ON THE ECONOMY, AND OF 
COURSE, HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HIS 
OWN POLICIES ARE GOING TO TIE 
IN.
NOT AT ALL A FAN OF THE CARBON 
TAX.
HE SAID HE WOULD GET RID OF 
THAT, THAT GOT A HUGE ROUND OF 
APPLAUSE.
SO I THINK ANDREW IS IN A VERY 
GOOD POSITION.
THIS HAS BEEN A TRIPLE OVERTIME 
WIN.
IT'S THRILLING, INVIGORATING, 
THERE IS A NATURAL ENERGY THAT 
IS GOING TO THROW FROM THAT.
ANDREW WAS SITUATED WELL TO 
CONTRAST WITH THE PRIME 
MINISTER.
IN A WAY THAT IS CLEAR, THAT IS 
CONCISE, THAT IS ATTRACTIVE.
WE HAVE A LEADER NOW WHO IS A 
CONSERVATIVE WITHOUT THE 
CYNICISM AND A SMILE.
AND I THINK THAT CANADIANS ARE 
GOING TO BE VERY IMPRESSED WITH 
ANDREW SCHEER, HIS ENERGY, HIS 
ARTICULATION, BILINGUAL, 
COMFORTABLE, FRIENDLY, FAMILY, 
LOOKING OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, 
I THINK ANDREW IS IN VERY GOOD 
SHAPE GOING INTO THE 2019 
ELECTION.
>> I'M GOING TO TAKE A DIFFERENT
TACT.
I LOOK AT WHAT THIS MEANS FOR 
THE PEOPLE IN MY RIDING, OK?
WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO SEEK PUBLIC 
OFFICE, IT SHOULD BE TO SERVE TO
MAKE YOUR COMMUNITY BETTER AND 
THE THING THAT UNIFIES 
CONSERVATIVES ACROSS THE BOARD, 
IS TO HAVE A BETTER -- HAVE 
CANADA IN A BETTER PLACE THAN IT
IS RIGHT NOW, PUT IT ON A 
DIFFERENT TRACK, BECAUSE A LOT 
OF US DON'T FEEL -- I LOOK AT 
THE PEOPLE IN MY RIDING, THEY'RE
OUT OF WORK.
WHEN YOU TAKE IT DOWN TO THAT, 
THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO GET 
EVERYBODY BACK ON TRACK MONDAY 
MORNING.
I DON'T THINK THAT OUR -- OUR 
PARTY IS UNIFIED.
ANDREW IS YOUNG.
HE SIGNALS A GENERATIONAL CHANGE
IN THE PARTY.
HE'S GOT ENERGY.
HE'S BILINGUAL AND HE GARNERED A
LOT OF SUPPORT FROM EVERY REGION
OF THE COUNTRY.
THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START.
AND OUR WAR CHEST IS IN A REALLY
GOOD SPOT.
RONA LEFT THE PARTY IN A GOOD 
SPOT.
WE'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB IN 
OTTAWA.
I DON'T KNOW, I'M KIND OF 
LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING ON 
MONDAY AND NOW WE'RE AT THE 
HALFWAY POINT, RIGHT?
SO THE CAMPAIGN REALLY STARTS ON
MONDAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE 
THING.
>> Peter: LET ME ASK YOU THIS, 
AS ROSY POINTED OUT, HE SAID IN 
HIS SPEECH, HIS PARTY, ALL 
OPINIONS, DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT 
ON A NUMBER OF AREAS, THERE WERE
THINGS SAID LAST NIGHT BY 
CANDIDATES WHO DID WELL, TROST, 
WHO DID WELL IN TERMS OF THEIR 
VOTES TODAY, FINISHED 4TH I 
THINK, TROST.
YOU WERE QUITE UPSET BY SOME OF 
THE THINGS HE SAID LAST NIGHT.
YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU 
WERE HEARING.
DOES THE NEW LEADER HAVE TO 
ENSURE THAT THOSE KINDS OF 
ISSUES ARE NOT AT THE FOREFRONT 
OF CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT?
>> ACROSS ALL ESTABLISHMENTS 
WILL TRY TO PAINT ANDREW AS A 
SILO CANDIDATE, BUT PEOPLE VOTE 
CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE THEY 
UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE SAY WE 
STAND UP FOR FAMILIES, IT MEANS 
WE WANT FAMILIES TO HAVE 
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
WE WANT THEM TO BE IN A BETTER 
PLACE THAN THEY WERE WHEN THEY 
STARTED OUT.
AND THAT'S AT THE CORE.
WHEN I WAS SAYING TO ROSY 
EARLIER TONIGHT, WHAT I WAS 
SAYING TO ROSY EARLIER, THERE IS
A VEN DIAGRAM OF PEOPLE, THAT'S 
REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 
HERE.
I THINK HE'S -- ANDREW IS GOING 
TO APPEAL TO A BROAD RANGE OF 
CANADIANS AND I THINK THAT'S AN 
EXCITING THING.
>> Peter: IT'S ALSO EXCITING, 
HE'S CHOSEN TO COME BY HERE.
HE'S BEING MICCED UP BY OUR 
AUDIO TECHNICIANS.
JUST BEHIND THE BOOTH.
HE'LL BE COMING IN HERE IN THE 
NEXT MINUTE OR SO.
WE'LL GIVE HIM A SEAT AT THE 
TABLE.
AND ONCE THEY'VE GOT HIM HOOKED 
UP, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
HAVE A COUPLE OF WORDS WITH HIM.
AND SEE HOW HE WILL HANDLE THE 
SAME KIND OF QUESTION I JUST 
ASKED YOU, MICHELE, ON HOW HE'S 
GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT STARTING
ON MONDAY.
BUT THE BIG DAY FOR THE SCHEER 
FAMILY.
AND A BIG DAY FOR ANDREW SCHEER 
AS WELL.
IS HE ON THE PHONE?
NO.
HERE WE GO.
CONGRATULATIONS.
INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLE OUTCOME, 
EXCITING AS HELL.
>> IT'S JUST LIKE I MAPPED IT 
OUT FOR YOU.
[LAUGHTER] 
>> Peter: CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU.
>> Peter: GOOD FOR YOU.
WE'LL JUST GET YOU PLUGGED IN 
HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING 
BY HERE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO 
HAVE A CHAT WITH YOU.
FOR STARTERS, OBVIOUSLY 
CONGRATULATIONS, BIG WIN.
YOU KNOW, TO MANY PEOPLE A 
SURPRISE WIN.
ALL CAME IN THE 13TH BALLOT.
SECOND ON 12 OF THEM AND THEN 
WINNING ON THE LAST ONE.
AND TELL ME ABOUT WHAT MADE THE 
DIFFERENCE IN THE END?
>> WELL, THINK AT THE END THE 
DAY, I HAD THE ABILITY TO TRY TO
CONVINCE MEMBERS AND CANADIANS 
TO SUPPORT ME, I WAS LOOKING FOR
A COMMON GROUND BETWEEN ALL THE 
DIFFERENT KINDS OF 
CONSERVATIVES.
SO IT WAS NO SURPRISE THAT I HAD
GROWTH POTENTIAL ON THE 
SUBSEQUENT BALLOTS, BECAUSE 
ALTHOUGH SOME MEMBERS MAY HAVE 
DECIDED TO SUPPORT SOMEBODY ELSE
FIRST, THEY SAW IN ME SOMEONE 
WHO COULD REFLECT THE TYPES OF 
ISSUES THEY WANTED TO FIGHT FOR.
>> Peter: DID YOU HAVE A 
PARTY -- WE HEARD A LOT OF 
DIFFERENT ISSUES, DIVERSITY OF 
UPON ON SOME OF THE ISSUES, OVER
THE LAST 24 HOURS, CAN YOU 
REALLY HAVE A PARTY THAT IS FOR 
THAT KIND OF DIVERSITY OF 
OPINION?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
THERE IS SO MUCH THAT 
CONSERVATIVES AGREE ON, THE 
TROUBLE IS, WE LIKE TO SPEND A 
LOT OF TIME FIGHTING ABOUT THE 
THINGS THAT WE DISAGREE ON.
MY PITCH WAS TO THE MEMBERSHIP, 
LET'S TAKE ALL THE THINGS WE 
AGREE ON AND THE VERY BEST 
FORWARD TO THE CANADIAN PEOPLE, 
AND LET'S RUN AND WIN ON THOSE.
LET'S PUT ASIDE OUR DIFFERENCES,
LET'S HAVE THE DEBATES, THE 
CONVERSATIONS AT OUR 
CONVENTIONS, POLICY WORKSHOPS 
WITHIN CAUCUS, BUT WHEN IT COMES
TO PUTTING AN AGENDA IN FRONT OF
CANADIANS, LET'S TAKE THE VERY 
BEST, THAT CALL CONSERVATIVES 
ARE BEHIND, CUTTING TAXES, AND 
ARTICULATE IT IN A WAY THAT WILL
CONNECT WITH A BROADER AUDIENCE.
>> Peter: THAT IS ONE OF THE 
THINGS THAT STEPHEN HARPER WAS 
ABLE TO DO, PUT CERTAIN ISSUES 
ASIDE AND SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO
GO THERE.
WE HEARD SOME OF THE ISSUES, 
ABORTION AND OTHERS.
DO YOU SET THOSE ASIDE, JUST NOT
A DISCUSSION POINT?
>> I HAVE A POSITIVE SPIN ON 
ANYTHING AND IT'S NOT PUTTING IT
ASIDE, BUT FOCUSING ON THE 
COMMON GROUND.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT 
OVERLAP THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF 
CONSERVATIVES, WHETHER IT'S 
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES, DEMOCRATIC
REFORM, FISCAL HAWKS, THERE IS 
SO MUCH WE AGREE ON, WE BELIEVE 
WHEN THE LIBERALS ARE IN POWER, 
IT'S BAD FOR CANADIANS.
SO LET'S CONCENTRATE ON THOSE 
ISSUES AND PUT THOSE FORWARD.
THE VERY BEST OF OUR POLICIES, 
FORWARD TO THE CANADIAN PEOPLE, 
THAT'S HOW WE'LL WIN.
>> Peter: IS THERE A MAJOR ROLE 
IN THE SCHEER SHADOW CABINET FOR
MAXIME BERNIER?
>> LOOK, I'M SO PROUD OF MAXIME,
THE CAMPAIGN HE RAN, YOU KNOW, 
HE HAS A LOT OF LOGICAL 
CONSISTENCY TO HIS BELIEFS.
MY PITCH WAS THAT SOME OF HIS 
POSITIONS TURNED AWAY SOME OF 
OUR MOVEMENT AND WERE A LITTLE 
POLARIZING, BUT HE'S FRIENDLY 
AND ATTRACTED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO
THE PARTY.
>> Peter: IS THAT A YES?
>> THERE IS AN IMPORTANT ROLE 
FOR EVERY PERSON OF THE CAUCUS.
>> KELLIE LEITCH?
>> SHE'S HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
THINGS THAT OTHERS MAY NOT HAVE 
WANTED TO.
AND SHE HAD A COMPELLING CASE TO
MAKE ABOUT PROTECTING THE 
IMPORTANT THINGS THAT MADE 
CANADA A GREAT COUNTRY.
YOU KNOW, NOBODY MOVED TO CANADA
FOR THE WEATHER.
MAYBE B.C., SOME PARTS, BUT YOU 
KNOW, PEOPLE COME HERE BECAUSE 
OF THE INSTITUTIONS WE HAVE, 
BECAUSE OF THE SOCIETY, BECAUSE 
OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE PROVIDE 
FOR PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.
WE HAVE TO PRESERVE THAT AND 
DEFEND THAT AND PROMOTE THAT TO 
PEOPLE WHO COME HERE CAN WELCOME
THEM IN AN INCLUSIVE WAY, BUT 
SAND UP AND PRESERVE THINGS.
>> Peter: MICHAEL CHONG?
>> ANOTHER GREAT GUY.
>> Peter: HE DID BETTER THAN 
EXPECTED.
THERE WERE SOME NAMES ON THE 
BOARD AT THE EVERYONED THE 
DAY -- END OF THE DAY, WHO DID 
EXTREMELY WELL WHO DON'T HAVE 
THE SAME VIEWS AS YOU DO?
>> THERE ARE MAYBE 4,000 PEOPLE 
IN THIS ROOM, YOU'RE GOING TO 
FIND A LOT OF DIFFERENCES OF 
OPINION.
MICHAEL FAUKT STRONGLY FOR A LOT
OF THINGS I BELIEVE IN.
SOME OF THE THINGS AROUND HIS 
DEMOCRATIC REFORM, PUTTING THE 
POWER BACK TO THE PEOPLE, 
WHETHER IT'S IN TERMS OF THE 
MEMBERSHIP, THOSE WILL R GREAT 
IDEAS.
-- THOSE ARE GREAT IDEAS.
HE'S MADE A CASE THAT WE NEED 
ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY TO WIN 
SEATS.
I DISAGREE WITH THE POSITION, 
BUT I AGREE WITH THE PRINCIPLE 
THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING 
TO SAY IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.
>> Peter: YOU'VE BEEN DESCRIBED 
AS STEPHEN HARPER-LIKE.
>> WITH A SMILE, 2.0, SOMETHING 
LIKE THAT.
  >> Peter: HOW ARE YOU 
DIFFERENT THAN STEPHEN HARPER?
>> WELL, I'LL HAVE THE 
OPPORTUNITY OVER THE NEXT FEW 
MONTHS TO START A NEW CHAPTER 
FOR THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
>> Peter: IS THERE ONE 
FUNDAMENTAL AREA WHERE YOU'RE 
DIFFERENT THAN HIM?
>> OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS A LOT OF 
DIFFERENCES BOTH IN APPROACH AND
BACK STORY AND THAT YOU WILL 
TYPE OF THING.
-- ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
THIS IS A NEW CHAPTER.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO 
CHARTER A NEW COURSE FOR THE 
PARTY.
LOOK, WE ALL HAVE A LOT TO 
THANK.
STEPHEN HARPER SAW THIS COUNTRY 
THROUGH THE WORST ECONOMIC DOWN 
TURN, LOWERED TAXES, AND PUT 
CANADA ON THE MAP FOR HAVING A 
STRONG PRINCIPLED FOREIGN 
POLICY.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE TO BE 
PROUD OF AND THE LEGACIES I WILL
CONTINUE TO WORK TO.
>> Peter: YOU'RE THE FIRST 
LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
COMING OUT OF SASKATCHEWAN SINCE
JOHN DIEFENBAKER.
>> WORKED OUT WELL FOR THE PARTY
BACK THEN.
>> Peter: NO KIDDING, IT SURE 
DID.
THE OTHER THING, DURING THE 
SPEECH, YOU LOST YOUR MUM.
TOO BAD THEY DIDN'T SEE THIS.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ME TEAR 
UP ON CAMERA, PETER, NOT FAIR.
IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT.
I COULD SHOW YOU THE TEXT ON MY 
PHONE AFTER EVERY DEBATE, SO SAY
HOW PROUD SHE WAS.
I'M WEARING WATCH, SHE BOUGHT IT
WHEN I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL.
I THOUGHT TONIGHT I'D HAVE IT UP
THERE WITH ME.
>> Rosy: I NOTICED DURING THE 
SPEECH, YOU DIDN'T APPEAL IN ANY
DIRECT WAY TO SOCIAL 
CONSERVATIVES WHO HAD A BIG SAY 
IN DECIDING WHO THE LEADER WOULD
BE, YOU WON A LOT OF THE PEOPLE 
WHO DIDN'T WANT TO ELIMINATE 
SUPPLY MANAGEMENT AND TROST 
SUPPORT, WHAT DEUCE TO THEM -- 
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?
>> MY MESSAGE TONIGHT, AS YOU 
HEARD, EVERY KIND OF 
CONSERVATIVE IS WELCOME AND THAT
FREE SPEECH IS AN ESSENTIAL PART
OF THE DEMOCRACY AND THAT 
CONSERVATIVES LOVE TO DEBATE.
WE DON'T MIND HAVING THE 
CONVERSATION.
>> Rosy: BUT THAT'S --
>> IT'S A SIGN -- 
>> Rosy: ARE YOU HAPPY TO OPEN 
THAT DEBATE?
>> I MADE IT VERY CLEAR UNDER MY
LEADERSHIP THERE ARE ISSUES THAT
WILL NOT BE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY
DIVIDE OUR CAUCUS AND MOVEMENT, 
BUT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS 
TO BE HOME FOR A DIVERSITY OF 
OPINION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES ME
CRAZY, IN THE NAME OF TOLERANCE,
LIBERALS ARE SO INTOLERANT FOR 
PEOPLE WHO HOLD VIEWS ON MANY 
ISSUES.
THERE IS A LOT ON THE SPECTRUM, 
THEY DON'T ALLOW THE 
CONVERSATION, THEY SHUT IT DOWN.
THE HIPSY OF THE LIBERALS, THERE
IS A LOOT OF STIFLING OF DEBATE 
AND CONVERSATIONS THAT'S WHAT 
I'M GOING TO EXPOSE ABOUT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO BE SUNNY 3.0.
>> HE'S NOT EVEN SUNNY.
>> Peter: WE HAVE TO RUN, 
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SIGN OFF.
ANDREW SCHEER, CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.
QUICK MOMENT TO THANK EVERYBODY 
INVOLVED IN THE BROADCAST, ALL 
THE TECHNICAL CREWS ARM ALL OVER
THE PLACE TO HELP US OUT.
BUT ON THE FLOOR, KATIE SIMPSON,
CATHERINE CULLEN, HANNAH 
THIBEDEAU, WHO WERE FANTASTIC AS
GETTING GUESTS AND TALKING TO 
THEM THROUGHOUT THE LAST TWO 
DAYS.
DID I MENTION KATIE SIMPSON?
IF I DIDN'T, I SHOULD HAVE.
THE "AT ISSUE" PANEL.
CHAD ROGERS, ÉRIC GRENIER AND OF
COURSE OUR INCREDIBLE PANEL.
OUR ROCK STAR PANEL.
MICHELLE REMPEL, PETER MacKAY, 
ROSEMARY BARTON, AND KEVIN 
O'LEARY.
SO, THERE YOU HAVE IT.
THE HEADLINES ON THE DAY.
ANDREW SCHEER IS THE NEW LEADER 
OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF 
CANADA, WILL BE SWORN IN AS THE 
NEW LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL 
OPPOSITION IN CANADA IN THE 
PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS LATER THIS 
WEEK.
WE HOPE YOU'VE ENJOYED OUR 
COVERAGE.
THERE WILL BE LOTS MORE COMING 
UP ON OUR "NATIONAL" COMING UP 
IN A FEW SECONDS WITH THEIR 
ANALYSIS, THE WAY THINGS 
UNFOLDED AND THROUGHOUT THE 
NIGHT ON cbcnews.ca, CBC NEWS 
NETWORK, YOU'LL SEE LOTS OF 
COVERAGE OF THIS STORY AND SOME 
OF THE BACK STORIES THAT 
HAPPENED HERE.
I'M PETER MANSBRIDGE, THANKS FOR
WATCHING.
GOOD NIGHT.
SEND SOMEBODY OUT TO SPEAK TO 
US.
[APPLAUSE]
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