It's funny, it's almost a Hollywood cliche,
that people like me get turned onto Joseph
Campbell when they go to Hollywood.
But for me, it wasn't to write a better screenplay.
Because he taught us about the hero's journey.
I'm sure you've all heard about the hero's
journey.
And a lot of people, like George Lucas, use
the hero's journey to create Star Wars.
And that's wonderful.
There's another thing that Joey-- I call him
Joey Cams did, which is find a way to look
at religion and religious texts through the
lens of the people that wrote them.
I used to think when I was growing up, wouldn't
it have been great if there were video cameras
and audio recordings of Jesus and filmed footage
of the Resurrection, and we could just put
it all to rest?
And Joseph Campbell helped me realize that
that would ruin it.
Isn't that fun?
That literal truth is the lowest level of
truth.
It's the lowest.
The way that I love my wife-- the literal
way that I love her is like garbage.
The metaphorical and mythical and emotional
ways that I love her, that's where the juice
is.
Carl Jung talks about the human psyche or
our spirit or our soul or whatever isn't transformed
with ideas or facts, it's transformed with
symbols.
So the fact that the gospels weren't written--
the earliest one, I think, was 70 years after
Jesus died, and some of them were 100 years
after Jesus died.
And of course, the gospels contradict themselves.
I point out that at the end of the Book of
Mark, the third one, Jesus dies and isn't
resurrected.
[LAUGHS] So why is it in there, then?
You know what I'm saying?
If we're going for a book of persuasive theology,
if I'm trying to convince you of literal facts,
why would I include one of the four gospels,
Jesus dies and he's just dead?
Oh, well, maybe it's because that's not the
point.
They edited it.
There was a council that edited it.
[LAUGHS] They could have cleaned it up and
made it more Greek logic, Western mind, this
happened, believe it.
But that's what we've turned it into.
The Bible proves that this happened and he
conquered death, and now that's why I believe
in him, because Jesus is a winner.
He made death his bitch, and we love winners.
So we made it the religion of winners and
the religion of wars.
We made Jesus the religion of wars.
[LAUGHS] So we've lost it.
So Joseph Campbell showed me that it's not
about literal facts or the unfolding of what
happened in the life of Jesus of Nazareth.
It's a story, because sometimes you need an
explanation and sometimes you need a story.
And a story is going to transform you and
symbols are going to transform you.
You see this in our culture.
Batman is a symbol.
Go out on the street and look at how many
men especially are wearing Batman shirts.
It's a symbol.
It's something that speaks to our psyche about
the pain of a boy who lost his parents, using
his wound to become super and try and change
his reality.
That's a symbol.
That's a Christ story.
That's a hero's story, and we need those.
Because it's not about, at the end of the
day, winning a televised debate or finding
DNA on the Shroud of Turin or proving his
burial was here.
I've been to Israel, I studied in Jerusalem.
They were like, he was crucified here.
And then they were like, well, he was crucified
here.
Guess what.
We didn't start writing that down until 150
years later because nobody gave a shit.
It wasn't about that.
It was about your inner transformation.
You.
Yours.
I don't care how you get there.
It can be photos from the Hubble telescope,
it can be Buddhism, atheism, agnosticism,
Catholicism.
It doesn't matter.
Who fucking cares?
Whatever gets you there.
Because Joseph help me realize, we're talking
about something, an energy that you can feel
and be quiet to and respect, but most importantly,
you can flow with and dance with and feel
and listen to and attune to.
So I grew up going like, Jesus is the only
God and the other books are fake.
[LAUGHS] It's all about us versus them.
It's all about clan.
It's identity.
It's like wearing a Patriots jersey.
It's the same thing.
It's like, oh, I'm right.
And even the Christians hate on other Christians.
Well, they don't acknowledge the Seventh Day
Christian and virgin birth.
[SIGHS] Fuck yourself.
It's wrong.
I say that with love.
We lost it.
I say fuck yourself with love.
We lost it.
It's about an inner transformation.
So Joseph helped me realize what a metaphor
is.
I didn't know.
He helped me realize what a myth is.
It doesn't mean not true.
The story of Jesus being a myth, or a myth
overlaid over history, which is really what
is going on, I think, is that that's how we
have a shot at getting you.
That's how the dog can understand the internet,
is with a story, not an explanation, a poem.
It's more like music or sex or a sunrise or
just quiet.
And Richard Rohr talks about God being like
a verb more than a noun.
It's not a thing that you have and you know
that you have.
It's an experience and it's a way that you
change how you go about every single moment
of your day, which is really the same moment.
We're just moving through it.
[LAUGHS] I hope you're stoned.
I hope you're stoned while you watch this
because there's only one moment, we're just
moving through it.
That'll kick it up a gear.
I hope it's a sativa.
But anyway, he helped me understand that literal
truth is the lowest level of truth, and that
God-- obviously a man with a beard on a throne
in the clouds is a metaphor for God.
It's old, the beard is old.
OK.
Old.
Been here a while.
Throne is important.
Clouds is above it.
Seize it.
In the old days, if you want to know a town,
climb a hill and see the whole town.
So it's just a metaphor.
But he does better than that.
He says, God itself-- a man and a beard, a
cloud, all that, that's a metaphor for God.
But he says God itself is a metaphor.
And God is a metaphor for what?
It's a mystery.
So he's the thing pointing-- or she or it.
This is a metaphor for the mystery that we're
all in, regardless of your beliefs.
I do not think someone is going to scan your
brain when you die for the correct beliefs.
Fuck that shit.
I believe in aliens.
You know what I mean?
I give my believe away so willy nilly, how
could this precious, unbelievably vibrant,
juicy, sexy game come down to, what thoughts
did you think repeatedly?
I believed this and I didn't believe that.
Scan.
OK, you go to heaven and these Hindus go to
hell.
God, we lost it.
But guess what.
