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hello there I'm doing a year follow up
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with my make sky blue solar charge
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controller I'm out here in my garden up
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in the trees
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anyhow this is this is a review and an
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update regarding that makes sky blue
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company they have recently come out with
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the version 118 and 119 they got Wi-Fi
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control systems now they have they're
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running 60 70 to 90 100 and 1220 volt
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systems are now available that this is a
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new development this company is really
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trying to evolve to keep up with the
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growing demand for affordable affordable
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solar charge controllers I'll take you
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to their website to their ebay online
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store where I find the best deals I
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don't use Amazon there's always a few
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dollars more expensive that it seems to
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me we'll go we'll see their hybrid
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inverter Chargers also are now available
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competing with with brand names like out
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backhand and midnight classic and you
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know some great Australian and you know
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that the old school you know thousand
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dollar units now have a $300 competitor
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from China what else I get some
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questions on my websites I'm like
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YouTube like is there a limiter you know
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if you get a 60 amp solar charge
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controller is he gonna you know and you
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hooked up too much to is it can stop no
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don't do it
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I push mine to the limit its bug support
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mosquitos I'm not that garden anyway I
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haven't found a limiter I didn't go over
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60 amps but for a 12 volt battery bank
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I'm not supposed to be producing more
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than 720 according to the manual mine
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goes over 800 on clear cool days it'll
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shoot well
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only the make sky-blue but the Palomar
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did to vac before the fan started
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whining I ID create I took the panels
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off of it they're gonna make sky blue in
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the past year so no I don't believe that
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it is a working limiter as far as that's
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concerned I get complaints from two or
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three guys to go through all my videos
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and putting thumbs down because I went
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to those sites and I looked at what they
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did and and why they're complaining
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there they're claiming that they get
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over voltage well a couple of them are
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running 60 volt systems on a 48 volt
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charger you know and and and you can't
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say that it's not true because if you
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look at the date that they've posted the
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video they hadn't come out with version
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118 yet they weren't even invented so
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they were over vaulting their their
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Chargers and so I'm hoping to debunked a
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lot of you people might be getting these
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you know these these crazy guys tell you
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oh yes junk I also will put a little
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video of an amazing system of 5 make Sky
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Blues writing a 5,000 you know 5
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kilowatt system with lithium ion he's
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been running for over a year if you want
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to see what you can do with it and
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remember he's doing it at 1/4 of the
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price you know of what you'd pay for the
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brand names so that will be included
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we're gonna go over the vo see you know
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your open circuit voltage of your panels
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it turns out in my opinion a lot people
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might have voltage problems and I don't
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because I bought panels that were
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specifically designed for the mixed ugly
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if you're getting old grid-tie panels
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you think you're getting a good deal but
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they're an odd voltage and they don't
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conform to the 1.5 or or 2 times
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multiplier that to make sky blue uses
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well you might be in between a voltage
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you know a regularity there which just
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puts you a little over or a little
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and it makes it look like it makes got
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blue fall but really it could be that
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your panels just aren't compatible
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they're meant for grid-tie they meant
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for series high voltage you know just a
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possibility I'm going to explore you
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decide and then Palomar it's the first
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the first makes kept - I bought it was a
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comma or two years ago I don't know how
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it happened but we're going to go
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through that it really is just to make
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sky blue version 113 it performed great
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but the fan immediately burned out a
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couple months and we're gonna go try and
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find their factory store and their
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online support there is none people have
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been asking me hey how's the Palomar
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it's just an antiquated make sky blue
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that's all it is
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and stay tuned ok so I just typed in
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make sky blue factory store eBay and it
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takes you right to this page where you
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can look at all the newest mix sky blue
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products when I bought mine they didn't
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have the version 118 yet that version
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118 there that's basically what I'm
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running but mine's a V 118 I mean 117
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but it runs 12 24 36 48 volt and it's 60
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amp and it's been beautiful for a year
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and a half now I mean even the fan is
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just going strong the first one I bought
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I for some reason I got a POW am are you
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know a knockoff a fake make sky blue
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within a couple months the fans started
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going like this you know making this
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horrid sound but I haven't had that
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problem yet you know in over a year with
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the that make sky blue so apparently
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they the fan quality is higher but there
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are there is one guy that has an amazing
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it's like five make Sky Blues run
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you know five thousand you know five
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kilowatt array on grid into lithium-ion
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batteries and I spoke chatted with him a
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little bit and he said he did have to
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replace a couple fans after a year but
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they're really cheap and it's really
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really easy and it was totally worth it
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and he's very satisfied even with a
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monstrous system like that completely
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you know I mean he he doesn't have a
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power bill put it that way okay this is
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a website a YouTube channel of a guy
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who's using make sky blue for his grid
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tie system it is phenomenal look at this
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and it's lithium ion quick
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so anyway there it is you got a bunch of
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naysayers they're trying to tell you
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that make sky blue you know is like
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crushed aboard
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you know the talking smack on my youtube
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channel there's a bunch of us who swear
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by these this gear and they've just been
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dynamite to us if you hook them up
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properly and you read directions great
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product very affordable so scrolling
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down a little farther notice all the
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different voltages when you're buying
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your charger to avoid you know being one
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of those complainers make sure you get
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the proper one I mean if you're not
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running a 12-volt system you want to run
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a 48 volt system well get the 48 volt
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charger you know I recommend getting the
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12 24 36 48 so you can change things
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around anytime you want but that's just
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me versatility portability all that is
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really really important to me
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and look the there's a version 119 on
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the far right there it comes with Wi-Fi
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you know so you can control it
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wirelessly 60 amp I'm not sure it's not
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saying the voltage on that I haven't
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bought one yet but yeah that's their
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newest version right there but notice
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the different voltages and stuff very
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critic and amperage that's very very
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critical see the version 116 I have the
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117 they look the price hasn't gone down
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on the 116
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here's another couple options you got
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the 30 30 and 45 amp and 50 amp on the
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left there that are 72 volt or 96 volt
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for sealed lead-acid batteries and maybe
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Nick nickel cadmium but anyway and then
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on the right there the the version 1
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1896 Volt so you see be careful
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don't go hooking up the wrong charger to
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the wrong battery voltage I wonder if
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the one on the left bottom there is
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isn't the one that I got the the price
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is right I got it for like $99 8 to 12
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24 36 48 and anyhow it doesn't say the
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version I'm guessing that might be the
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one 17 anyhow look right next to it this
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one specifically designed for just 24
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volt so so there it is you see a lot of
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people you know there's a lot of
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confusion and they're saying oh it's not
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charging right and did it it well you
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got to make sure that you're matching
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your battery voltage and your PV voltage
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your open circuit voltage from your PV
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to the mix guy blue is very very
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important also but anyhow just a quick
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scroll to show you all the options look
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at this this is an eBay there eBay store
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so there it is Mick sky blue factory
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store eBay and this will pop right up so
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I followed the instructions on the mix
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sky blue instruction manual and it said
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go to you know HTTP w WX card lucam and
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this is their actual web website here
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and you can see they are the seat devi'
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forums anyway I'm trying to see how much
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of this actually works okay the forum
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button isn't working
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that's the apps button here's the
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products list wonder why the forum
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button isn't working
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is that's about us but and you know I've
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got complaints about they weren't the
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warranty wasn't honored although I did
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find a lot of neglectful installations
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and you know claims that I was able to
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falsify just by going to their YouTube
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channel and I just wanted people to see
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this is actually a it's a budding
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enterprise they're just getting started
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they've only got ten years of production
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on the make sky blue is really in a
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prototype phase and it's evolving very
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very quickly just a year ago they didn't
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even have a 60 volt charger they only
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went to 48 full maybe how the point of
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what I'm trying to show you is this is a
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growing company look at all the options
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you have in voltage for these hybrid
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inverters you get the 220 and now you
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got the Wi-Fi charge controllers and
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then there's your basic you know your
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multi or multi volt controllers notice
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they don't list above 48 volts those are
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brand new so anybody that has a year old
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website you know that was really in
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their their stuff at 60 vault telling
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you Oh mister blue is garbage yeah it
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wasn't supposed to be ran at 60 volt
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it's their fault
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okay another little tidbit here
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there's your pow am are verses that make
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sky blue I'm guessing they had some sort
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of a patent fight you know a patent war
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and so I actually I got shipped the
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Palomar that v1 13 it was the first one
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I bought a couple years ago it performs
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great but the fan
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you know immediately started whining
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anyway I went bought you know version
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118 and 117 later on but this is the
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battle that's been raging for a few
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years
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Palomar has lost I'll show you how I
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have come to that conclusion try to find
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the Palomar specifications and look at
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it it is identical it is a make sky blue
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but notice there won't be any version
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there'll be no you know identifying mark
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on it
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it's bitch it's just that of version 113
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with no version label
on it
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on the back of the owners manual it says
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go to you know WWE no power power my
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comm so I did and what do I got it
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this little you know it looks like just
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a resale you know cheap chinese stuff
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I've heard some people say I mean look
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at this power mr that looks like an ever
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an e serve to be it's the old it's the
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older school before make sky blue took
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over that was like one of people's
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favorite
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so Palomar is not even a brand name this
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is their this is the store you know that
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they got all kinds of little generic
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modules so they're just a copycat 
this
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is the actually quite nice instruction
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manual I got with my pal mr okay again
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no version it's just an MPPT you know
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and and then the answer is is all it
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says when you open it up and thumb
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through it it is exactly oops it is
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exactly the same instructions on all
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that makes guys blues but without any
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version details
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there's your table of contents
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you can pause if you want to read it
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okay there warranty it says contact a
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company within 30 days what company
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there is no company I tried to find them
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there there is no Palomar company it's
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just a sales rep is all it is and if you
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obviously if you disassemble it warranty
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is not covered
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but with the copycat like this that
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doesn't even give a version number has
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no history at all it's just they
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basically stole the you know there must
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have been a battle over who owns the
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patent on the 113 and they just took it
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to the bench they slapped another name
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on it and you know they probably took a
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whole bunch of them I'm just speculating
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and they've been battling it out and of
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course the enterprising make sky blue is
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still producing and constantly evolving
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and changing the product getting better
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and better and how EMR is just the older
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make sky blue it's a great unit with
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zero support there is nobody backing it
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it's just the original prototype of the
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make sky blue that's my actual belief
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because I own one and I've been dealing
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with them for almost a couple years now
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with make sky blue but if you read
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through this manual you'll find it is
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exactly if I can get where you can focus
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on it why would it focus where are my
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eyes that bad anyway
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exactly like to make sky blue just in a
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little prettier book is telling you the
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50 is 60 amp you got to use two number
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ten gauge wires going in and out both to
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the PV and battery everything in here
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I've read through it many times is is
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exactly mix guy blues specifications
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just without any label without any
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identification there's your circuit
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breaker diagram everything
your codes
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charge currents
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and there's your voltages I have to
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admit it's a prettier layout I mean you
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could actually use this for the 60 amp
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make sky blue anyway it's exactly the
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same but these instructions would work
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perfect
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[Applause]
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and there's the technical data and look
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I can see it clearly on this one so I
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run a 12 volt battery bank I'm supposed
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to not get more than 720 Watts there at
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the top column my my logo over 800 I
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have 8 100 watt panels if the sky is
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really really clear especially if it's
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cooler out it'll go over 800 so will the
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Palomar but it overheats the fan starts
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whining that's why I switch that's why I
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bought more my sky blues but anyway just
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like they make sky blue at 48 volts the
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60 amp is rated for 2,800 watts so
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that's just crazy crazy power you know
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and the last page
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okay and then now just to show you their
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labeling this is like oh yeah we have an
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exchange policy form right and then I
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went to I mean here's their they label
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so that industry leads nowhere
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Palomar website support I tried both
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leads nowhere 
they're also producing
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other products like these hybrid
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inverter and charger a little bit more
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spendy but not if you compare it to
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corporate America or Australian you know
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German brands they're still 1/4 the
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price of something comparable ok here's
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the first page of the instructions on
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your your settings you can go custom you
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can pause the video to read through this
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so those are your voltages voltages for
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the different battery types notice mine
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is the the version v 17 and it's a year
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old they hadn't come out with the 18 yet
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anyhow next page page 2 I don't know if
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you can read it trying to get it to go
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to stop being blurry there we go
okay
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you see there where it says charge
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voltage accuracy I get people on my
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YouTube site saying yeah overcharge my
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battery
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look there's a point to of a volt
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negligence there so like I've seen mine
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hit fifteen point one but I'm running a
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GM's in a 12 volt battery bank and I
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can't remember if it was only the the
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fake one the Palomar I know used to
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overcharge things occasionally but what
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the make sky blue it hasn't done it at
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all in a year you know so I'm a little
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confused why people say that this is
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happening to them but I suspect there's
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a couple things at play which I'll get
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to next but remember 0.2 of a volt
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that's no joke that's the difference
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that you know like the a GM's are good
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to fifteen volt really but if you're
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running an old-school flooded lead-acid
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that's not good at all that's way over
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the parameter that the old golf stock
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Ulf cart style batteries are designed to
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function at look at this warning to be
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installed by a professional only now
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there is a complaint that I would
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consider very legitimate so if they got
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defective units and they can't afford to
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support their client you know their
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customer who they can always say well
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who'd you have install it that needs to
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be removed from there I've never had
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anything of theirs break yet and it's
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already paid for itself even if one did
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go I'd just buy another one cuz it's
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just so being good for the money
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but that's something to think about I
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mean you can invest $800 in a you know
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an Outback or midnight classic or
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something or you could pay $100 for
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something that might blow in a few years
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you know who cares buy another one for
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the peratis it produces the same amount
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and you know you can pause and read
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these if okay here's the voltage that I
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tried to express to everybody is very
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very important if you have anything
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below a version you know 118 they are
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not designed to go beyond a 48 volt
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battery bank so when you see these guys
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blue bows running 60 volt it was working
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fine it doesn't matter it was not
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designed for that sure it'll work for a
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while and then it'll blow up you know so
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so there it is really clear black and
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white 12 24 36 48 okay and then your
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expected output with a different amp
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systems they can get back and okay
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here's another thing that's really
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really important I think that might have
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a lot to do with people who are saying
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yeah it's overcharging so not only is
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there a point two degree volt variable
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you know in the MPPT charging circuit
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which could put you you know 1 millivolt
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over but look at the multiplication the
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actual through voltage the open circuit
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voltage of the panel is very very
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critical if it does not fall between 1.5
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or two times the multiple
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you have a problem so if you're buying
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used grid-tie you know rooftop panels
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with an odd voltage designed to run it
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really really hot you know in series in
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high voltage you might be missing the
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correct voltage that you're supposed to
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be at my 100 watt panels which I buy
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brand new are like exactly double their
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the two times the actual you know
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battery voltage they're running it a
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twenty one point one or something like
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that maybe that is why I don't have any
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overcharge problems and there's your
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warning right there you've got to make
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sure for the best efficiency that your
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PV is is correct on the on a one point
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five or two time multiplier for this
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charger so you can't just use any panel
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you want you need to get off grid panels
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or make sure your your old used long
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good panels are the proper voltage
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statistics wire gauges I run 10 gauge
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for everything but anything above the 30
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amp
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this one says 40 amp so the 50 and 60
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amp you got to run two lines or your you
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just why is it gonna get hot you're
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gonna cause all kinds of damage but they
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say you can get away with one if you
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know instead of using both positive and
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both negative you know a connector is on
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the bottom of the inverter I always run
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two unless I'm money very few panels but
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anything above you know at the 50 60 amp
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or higher
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you got to utilize both both positive
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both negatives
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this is very very important everybody I
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saw that had a problem with their
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batteries or chargers they don't run a
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circuit breaker you know when your your
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solar panels are coming into your solar
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trouts control you should have a
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fast-acting fuse something to protect it
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in case of shorts or anything has gone
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wrong
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a fuse that'll pop that little blow and
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the same thing going out into your
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battery they clearly show it in the
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diagram and they tell you to make sure
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you have that installed if I was a
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manufacturer and you tried to tell me oh
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yeah it blew up I want another one in
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and you didn't have it fused I wouldn't
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I wouldn't compensate you anybody could
30:05
have line because it got crossed and you
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blew it up you know I can't tell if you
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guys can read they're not fit anyway
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is that coming in clear there we go okay
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and here's the here's the bit about the
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open the circuit breakers I wish I can
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get it to come clear for you with the
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whole thing anyway very important pay
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attention to that diagram I'll show you
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what how I do it in real time there's my
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old poem all right I just have a panel
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lying on the ground outside in the shade
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I'm getting ready to go put it up in the
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tree house and there's my 60 amp MPPT
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okay so wait where it's coming in from
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the trees is that actually down here in
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this box I run straight into this that's
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not too dark
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anyway the line comes right in and goes
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into a fuse a quick-acting fuse before
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it goes back out into the solar charge
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controller and then foam the charge
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controller I go back out into a breaker
31:43
box okay and then from there it runs
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down into my battery banks but George
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you can't see em they're down there but
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this is how I I run my system you got to
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have usable here's the last page my eyes
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are so bad at close range I can't tell
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if you can read it or not I just hope it
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comes out good here's the middle of it
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and the bottom
okay so alright so that's
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that's it
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okay look at the overcharging voltage
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protection line there okay you see how
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it's telling you 36 48 and then at the
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48 you'll see it says you know 60 volt
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that may be confusing people that don't
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understand how batteries work a 48 volt
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battery bank can't be charged with 48
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volts their resistance is equal nothing
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will be able to get in you have to the
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in the current going in needs to be
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greater than the Volt of the current
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voltage of the battery and so the
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maximum you're gonna get on the 48
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system is 60 volts well some people
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might misinterpret that and think oh I
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can run a 60 volt battery bank no you
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can't the charger is not designed to go
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above 60 60 volt charge into a 48 volt
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battery bank is barely enough to get
33:33
yourself a bulk charge and that's what
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that means so don't be confused don't be
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one of those people you know it worked
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for a while you know there is that last
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little bit there you MPPT multi-point
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power tracking systems your solar panels
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on these you know version 117 and
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earlier down to the power M R or 113 s
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they can't go over 48 volt I mean you
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can make him do it but you'll be one of
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these guys that are running around
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saying oh you know because when you're
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running 48 volts coming out of your you
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know let's say you run for 100 watt
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panels you know in series 4 of their 12
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volt each is 48 volts the MPPT the power
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point tracking will bump that voltage up
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to easier penetrate your battery
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and you know enhance the charge that's
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the difference between the MPPT in pwms
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pulse width modulation the MT PT is just
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faster you gain 30 40 % because the
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computer the on-board chip and board of
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the MPPT is cranking that 48 volts up to
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60 if you're trying to come out of your
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solar array it you know 60 60 volts you
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have just surpassed the programming of
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the motherboard and everything's screwed
35:04
up and so when you look at these guys
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video especially the complainer is watch
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how the appt is is tracking every word
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between 60 all the way down to 12
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constantly tracking you know why cuz
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it's not designed for that it's like it
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doesn't know what's going on the voltage
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is way out of its spectrum so it'll work
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a little bit then it won't it will but
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it won't but it will then it won't and
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and they're wondering why you know just
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just pay attention it's a good unit very
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affordable you can afford to blow one up
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after a few years I mean the way I seen
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it pays for itself at least once a year
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anyhow I hope this helps somebody and
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yeah go clean energy or else you should
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watch that video
