>>> WELCOME BACK.
>>> WELCOME BACK. VIOLENT CLASHES ERUPTED TODAY
VIOLENT CLASHES ERUPTED TODAY BETWEEN PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS
BETWEEN PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS AND RIOT POLICE AT HONG KONG’S
AND RIOT POLICE AT HONG KONG’S AIRPORT.
AIRPORT. POLICE ARMED WITH PEPPER SPRAY
POLICE ARMED WITH PEPPER SPRAY AND BATONS RUSHED IN AS
AND BATONS RUSHED IN AS PROTESTERS SHUT DOWN ONE OF THE
PROTESTERS SHUT DOWN ONE OF THE WORLD’S BUSIEST AIRPORTS FOR A
WORLD’S BUSIEST AIRPORTS FOR A SECOND STRAIGHT DAY.
SECOND STRAIGHT DAY. VIDEO FROM INSIDE THE AIRPORT
VIDEO FROM INSIDE THE AIRPORT APPEARED TO SHOW THE
APPEARED TO SHOW THE DEMONSTRATORS BEATING TWO PEOPLE
DEMONSTRATORS BEATING TWO PEOPLE THAT THEY SUSPECTED OF BEING
THAT THEY SUSPECTED OF BEING UNDERCOVER POLICE OFFICERS.
UNDERCOVER POLICE OFFICERS. THE PROTESTERS HAVE BEEN
THE PROTESTERS HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATING IN HONG KONG FOR
DEMONSTRATING IN HONG KONG FOR MONTHS NOW, TRIGGERED BY A BILL
MONTHS NOW, TRIGGERED BY A BILL THAT COULD HAVE EXTRADITED
THAT COULD HAVE EXTRADITED ANYONE ARRESTED IN HONG KONG TO
ANYONE ARRESTED IN HONG KONG TO MAINLAND CHINA.
MAINLAND CHINA. THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT HAS
THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT HAS CALLED THE PROTESTS, QUOTE,
CALLED THE PROTESTS, QUOTE, SIGNS OF TERRORISM.
SIGNS OF TERRORISM. PRESIDENT TRUMP REACTED THIS WAY
PRESIDENT TRUMP REACTED THIS WAY TODAY.
TODAY. >> WELL, THE HONG KONG THING IS
>> WELL, THE HONG KONG THING IS VERY TOUGH SITUATION, VERY
VERY TOUGH SITUATION, VERY TOUGH.
TOUGH. WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. BUT I’M SURE IT WILL WORK OUT.
BUT I’M SURE IT WILL WORK OUT. I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR
I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING CHINA, BY
EVERYBODY, INCLUDING CHINA, BY THE WAY.
THE WAY. I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR
I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY. I THINK IT WILL WORK OUT, AND I
I THINK IT WILL WORK OUT, AND I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR LIBERTY, I
HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR LIBERTY, I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR EVERYBODY,
HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING CHINA.
INCLUDING CHINA. I HOPE IT WORKS OUT PEACEFULLY.
I HOPE IT WORKS OUT PEACEFULLY. HOPE NOBODY GETS HURT, I HOPE
HOPE NOBODY GETS HURT, I HOPE NOBODY GETS KILLED.
NOBODY GETS KILLED. >> NOT EXACTLY THE FULL-THROATED
>> NOT EXACTLY THE FULL-THROATED SUPPORT FOR DEMOCRACY THAT YOU
SUPPORT FOR DEMOCRACY THAT YOU MIGHT TYPICALLY EXPECT FROM A
MIGHT TYPICALLY EXPECT FROM A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT IS NOT ONLY -- NOT THE ONLY
THAT IS NOT ONLY -- NOT THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THIS WHITE HOUSE IS
PLACE WHERE THIS WHITE HOUSE IS CHOOSING NOT TO SEND A FORCEFUL
CHOOSING NOT TO SEND A FORCEFUL MESSAGE TO AN AUTHORITARIAN
MESSAGE TO AN AUTHORITARIAN LEADER.
LEADER. IN MOSCOW, MORE THAN A THOUSAND
IN MOSCOW, MORE THAN A THOUSAND PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS HAVE
PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTESTERS HAVE BEEN ARRESTED IN RECENT DAYS.
BEEN ARRESTED IN RECENT DAYS. SO FAR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
SO FAR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS LARGELY REMAINED SILENT.
HAS LARGELY REMAINED SILENT. HERE WITH US NOW, FORMER U.S.
HERE WITH US NOW, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO CHINA AND FORMER
AMBASSADOR TO CHINA AND FORMER U.S. SENATOR, MAX BAUCUS, AND
U.S. SENATOR, MAX BAUCUS, AND EVELYN FARKAS.
EVELYN FARKAS. EVELYN WAS ALSO THE DEPUTY
EVELYN WAS ALSO THE DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR RUSSIA, UKRAINE AND EURASIA.
FOR RUSSIA, UKRAINE AND EURASIA. WHAT MESSAGE IS THIS PRESIDENT
WHAT MESSAGE IS THIS PRESIDENT SENDING TO CHINA, AND FRANKLY TO
SENDING TO CHINA, AND FRANKLY TO THE PROTESTERS THAT ARE, YOU
THE PROTESTERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING WHAT WE WOULD
KNOW, SUPPORTING WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY THINK TO BE -- WHAT
TYPICALLY THINK TO BE -- WHAT SHOULD BE THE NATURAL AMERICAN
SHOULD BE THE NATURAL AMERICAN POSITION HERE BY ESSENTIALLY
POSITION HERE BY ESSENTIALLY SAYING -- STAYING OUT OF IT?
SAYING -- STAYING OUT OF IT? >> WELL WELL, FRANKLY I’VE BEEN
>> WELL WELL, FRANKLY I’VE BEEN HONG KONG A COUPLE OF TIMES THE
HONG KONG A COUPLE OF TIMES THE LAST EIGHT WEEKS, I’VE SPOKEN
LAST EIGHT WEEKS, I’VE SPOKEN WITH THE MEN AND WOMEN ON THE
WITH THE MEN AND WOMEN ON THE STREET, CAB DRIVERS, I SPOKE
STREET, CAB DRIVERS, I SPOKE WITH CARRIE LAM, THE CHIEF
WITH CARRIE LAM, THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE.
EXECUTIVE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT UP UNTIL
I CAN TELL YOU THAT UP UNTIL NOW, THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET
NOW, THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET ARE QUITE SYMPATHETIC WITH THE
ARE QUITE SYMPATHETIC WITH THE PROTESTERS.
PROTESTERS. OBVIOUSLY IT’S THAT PROPOSED
OBVIOUSLY IT’S THAT PROPOSED EXTRADITION STATUTE WHICH HAS
EXTRADITION STATUTE WHICH HAS CAUSED GREAT ANGST BECAUSE IT’S
CAUSED GREAT ANGST BECAUSE IT’S SEEN AS REPRESENTATIVE OF
SEEN AS REPRESENTATIVE OF MAINLAND CHINA EXERCISING EVEN
MAINLAND CHINA EXERCISING EVEN MORE CONTROL FOR HONG KONG THAN
MORE CONTROL FOR HONG KONG THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST.
THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE CONDITIONS IN HONG KONG ARE
CONDITIONS IN HONG KONG ARE VERY, VERY TOUGH.
VERY, VERY TOUGH. COSTS WILL BE EXTREMELY HIGH.
COSTS WILL BE EXTREMELY HIGH. HOUSING IS ALMOST UNAVAILABLE.
HOUSING IS ALMOST UNAVAILABLE. IT’S A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION
IT’S A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. MY SENSE, FRANKLY, IS THAT
MY SENSE, FRANKLY, IS THAT CHINA, MAINLAND CHINA WILL
CHINA, MAINLAND CHINA WILL CONTINUE TO PLAY A WAITING GAME.
CONTINUE TO PLAY A WAITING GAME. THAT’S THEIR BASIC STRATEGY.
THAT’S THEIR BASIC STRATEGY. THEY’RE GOING TO HOPE FRANKLY
THEY’RE GOING TO HOPE FRANKLY THAT PERHAPS THE PROTESTERS MAKE
THAT PERHAPS THE PROTESTERS MAKE A MISTAKE.
A MISTAKE. THE PROTESTERS I THINK ARE
THE PROTESTERS I THINK ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT WITH
GETTING CLOSE TO THAT WITH CONTINUING SHUTDOWN OF THE
CONTINUING SHUTDOWN OF THE AIRPORT.
AIRPORT. THAT’S GOING TO DISRUPT THE CITY
THAT’S GOING TO DISRUPT THE CITY AND THAT’S GOING TO CAUSE THE
AND THAT’S GOING TO CAUSE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND TYCOONS
BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND TYCOONS TO SAY, HEY, ENOUGH’S ENOUGH
TO SAY, HEY, ENOUGH’S ENOUGH HERE.
HERE. SO THIS IS BASICALLY UP TO
SO THIS IS BASICALLY UP TO CARRIE LAM, THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE,
CARRIE LAM, THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE, THE PEOPLE.
THE PEOPLE. IT’S UP TO XI JINPING.
IT’S UP TO XI JINPING. TO BE HONEST, I DON’T KNOW WHAT
TO BE HONEST, I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE COULD REALLY DO IF WE TRY TO
WE COULD REALLY DO IF WE TRY TO GET INTO IT THERE.
GET INTO IT THERE. OF COURSE AMERICA STANDS UP FOR
OF COURSE AMERICA STANDS UP FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.
HUMAN RIGHTS. WE’VE BEEN THE BEACON ON THE
WE’VE BEEN THE BEACON ON THE HILL.
HILL. >> RIGHT, BUT IS THIS PRESIDENT
>> RIGHT, BUT IS THIS PRESIDENT ACTING THAT WAY?
ACTING THAT WAY? I DON’T SEE THAT.
I DON’T SEE THAT. >> TO BE HONEST, NO, HE’S NOT.
>> TO BE HONEST, NO, HE’S NOT. I’VE GOT TO TELL YOU, I WAS AT A
I’VE GOT TO TELL YOU, I WAS AT A SUMMIT IN 2014 BETWEEN PRESIDENT
SUMMIT IN 2014 BETWEEN PRESIDENT OBAMA AND PRESIDENT XI JINPING.
OBAMA AND PRESIDENT XI JINPING. ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS
ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS PRESIDENT XI RAISED, HE ACCUSED
PRESIDENT XI RAISED, HE ACCUSED YOU AMERICANS, YOU’RE FOMENTING
YOU AMERICANS, YOU’RE FOMENTING UNREST IN HONG KONG.
UNREST IN HONG KONG. IT REALLY GOT UNDER HIS SKIN AND
IT REALLY GOT UNDER HIS SKIN AND VERY MUCH BOTHERED HIM.
VERY MUCH BOTHERED HIM. PRESIDENT OBAMA TO HIS CREDIT
PRESIDENT OBAMA TO HIS CREDIT SAID WE’RE AMERICANS.
SAID WE’RE AMERICANS. WE’RE BILL OF RIGHTS.
WE’RE BILL OF RIGHTS. WE’RE DECLARATION OF
WE’RE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
INDEPENDENCE. HUMAN RIGHTS IS VIRTUALLY IN OUR
HUMAN RIGHTS IS VIRTUALLY IN OUR DNA.
DNA. HE EXPLAINED THAT.
HE EXPLAINED THAT. I WON’T GO CHAPTER AND VERSE
I WON’T GO CHAPTER AND VERSE WHAT THE SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION
WHAT THE SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION WAS BUT WE DIDN’T DO A LOT MORE,
WAS BUT WE DIDN’T DO A LOT MORE, THE UNITED STATES DID NOT, EVEN
THE UNITED STATES DID NOT, EVEN UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA.
UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA. IT’S A VERY, VERY TOUCHY
IT’S A VERY, VERY TOUCHY SITUATION.
SITUATION. WE COULD DO MORE THAN WE ARE
WE COULD DO MORE THAN WE ARE DOING BUT IT’S RISKY TO GO TOO
DOING BUT IT’S RISKY TO GO TOO FAR.
FAR. >> EVELYN FARKAS, WHAT ROLE DO
>> EVELYN FARKAS, WHAT ROLE DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT’S WORDS
YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT’S WORDS PLAY, THOUGH, IN THIS BECAUSE AS
PLAY, THOUGH, IN THIS BECAUSE AS THE AMBASSADOR POINTS OUT, EVEN
THE AMBASSADOR POINTS OUT, EVEN IF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION’S
IF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION’S POLICIES DIDN’T TAKE A STEP
POLICIES DIDN’T TAKE A STEP FARTHER, THE PUBLIC POSTURE WAS
FARTHER, THE PUBLIC POSTURE WAS DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. >> I WOULD ACTUALLY ARGUE THAT
>> I WOULD ACTUALLY ARGUE THAT THE POLICY WAS TO TELL THE
THE POLICY WAS TO TELL THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT TO EXERCISE
CHINESE GOVERNMENT TO EXERCISE RESTRAINT UNDER THE OBAMA
RESTRAINT UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. I SAY THAT WITHOUT ACTUALLY
I SAY THAT WITHOUT ACTUALLY KNOWING THAT FOR A FACT.
KNOWING THAT FOR A FACT. I DON’T KNOW WHAT PRESIDENT
I DON’T KNOW WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID OR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES
OBAMA SAID OR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES WERE SAYING AT THE TIME.
WERE SAYING AT THE TIME. BUT CLEARLY IF THE UNITED STATES
BUT CLEARLY IF THE UNITED STATES SAYS TO THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT
SAYS TO THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT KEEP YOUR WORD, REMEMBER, WHAT
KEEP YOUR WORD, REMEMBER, WHAT THEY’RE UPSET ABOUT, THESE
THEY’RE UPSET ABOUT, THESE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS, THEY’RE
PEOPLE IN THE STREETS, THEY’RE UPSET BECAUSE WHEN HONG KONG WAS
UPSET BECAUSE WHEN HONG KONG WAS TURNED BACK TO CHINA BY THE
TURNED BACK TO CHINA BY THE UNITED KINGDOM IN 1997, THE DEAL
UNITED KINGDOM IN 1997, THE DEAL WAS, THE CHINESE SAID YOU, HONG
WAS, THE CHINESE SAID YOU, HONG KONG, CAN HAVE SEMI-AUTONOMY.
KONG, CAN HAVE SEMI-AUTONOMY. IT MEANS YOU CAN RULE YOUR
IT MEANS YOU CAN RULE YOUR ECONOMY, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN
ECONOMY, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN ECONOMY, YOUR OWN RULES THERE.
ECONOMY, YOUR OWN RULES THERE. >> LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
>> LOCAL GOVERNMENT. >> IT’S NOT A TOTAL DEMOCRACY,
>> IT’S NOT A TOTAL DEMOCRACY, BUT THEY SEEM TO HAVE STEPPED
BUT THEY SEEM TO HAVE STEPPED BACK FROM THAT DEAL BIG-TIME,
BACK FROM THAT DEAL BIG-TIME, FIRST AS THE AMBASSADOR
FIRST AS THE AMBASSADOR MENTIONED IN 2014 THERE WAS AN
MENTIONED IN 2014 THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT BY THE CHINESE TO MOVE
ATTEMPT BY THE CHINESE TO MOVE IN MORE HEAVY HANDEDLY AND JUST
IN MORE HEAVY HANDEDLY AND JUST RECENTLY WITH THIS EXTRADITION
RECENTLY WITH THIS EXTRADITION LAW.
LAW. AND SO THE HONG KONG CITIZENS
AND SO THE HONG KONG CITIZENS GOT REALLY NERVOUS BECAUSE THEY
GOT REALLY NERVOUS BECAUSE THEY THINK NOW THE GOVERNMENT IN
THINK NOW THE GOVERNMENT IN BEIJING RULED BY THIS RELATIVELY
BEIJING RULED BY THIS RELATIVELY NEW PRESIDENT, XI JINPING, IS
NEW PRESIDENT, XI JINPING, IS TRY TO CLAMP DOWN AND TAKE AWAY
TRY TO CLAMP DOWN AND TAKE AWAY THAT DEAL, TAKE AWAY THAT
THAT DEAL, TAKE AWAY THAT SEMI-AUTONOMOUS STATUS.
SEMI-AUTONOMOUS STATUS. I WAS IN HONG KONG IN APRIL AND
I WAS IN HONG KONG IN APRIL AND IN JUNE I WAS IN TAIWAN.
IN JUNE I WAS IN TAIWAN. IN TAIWAN, IF YOU THINK THEY’RE
IN TAIWAN, IF YOU THINK THEY’RE NERVOUS IN HONG KONG, THEY’RE
NERVOUS IN HONG KONG, THEY’RE ALSO NERVOUS IN TAIWAN.
ALSO NERVOUS IN TAIWAN. >> MR. AMBASSADOR, THE PRESIDENT
>> MR. AMBASSADOR, THE PRESIDENT TWEETED THAT CHINESE TROOPS ARE
TWEETED THAT CHINESE TROOPS ARE HEADING FOR THE BORDER WITH HONG
HEADING FOR THE BORDER WITH HONG KONG.
KONG. WHAT KIND OF AN ESCALATION DOES
WHAT KIND OF AN ESCALATION DOES THAT REPRESENT AND WHAT DOES IT
THAT REPRESENT AND WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
TELL YOU THAT THE PRESIDENT IS PUTTING THAT KIND OF INFORMATION
PUTTING THAT KIND OF INFORMATION OUT ON TWITTER?
OUT ON TWITTER? >> WELL, FIRST, I THINK THAT THE
>> WELL, FIRST, I THINK THAT THE CHINESE ARE A LITTLE HEAVY
CHINESE ARE A LITTLE HEAVY HANDED WHEN THEIR PROPAGANDA
HANDED WHEN THEIR PROPAGANDA MACHINE CRANKS UP AND SAYS
MACHINE CRANKS UP AND SAYS THEY’RE MOVING TROOPS ALONG THE
THEY’RE MOVING TROOPS ALONG THE BORDER AND TO SOME DEGREE INTO
BORDER AND TO SOME DEGREE INTO HONG KONG.
HONG KONG. CHINESE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE.
CHINESE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE. THEY ARE NOT VERY NIMBLE WHEN IT
THEY ARE NOT VERY NIMBLE WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC POLICY.
COMES TO PUBLIC POLICY. THEY HAVE NEVER HAD A HISTORY OF
THEY HAVE NEVER HAD A HISTORY OF DOING SO, THEY’RE VERY
DOING SO, THEY’RE VERY AUTHORITARIAN.
AUTHORITARIAN. SO FRANKLY I THINK THE SOLUTION
SO FRANKLY I THINK THE SOLUTION HERE IS FOR CARRIE LAM AND
HERE IS FOR CARRIE LAM AND BEIJING TO SHOW THAT THEY’RE
BEIJING TO SHOW THAT THEY’RE LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS, THE
LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS, THE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS OF THE
LEGITIMATE CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE OF HONG KONG.
PEOPLE OF HONG KONG. THAT WOULD MEAN PROBABLY
THAT WOULD MEAN PROBABLY SHELVING OR REPEALING, GET RID
SHELVING OR REPEALING, GET RID OF THAT PROPOSED EXTRADITION
OF THAT PROPOSED EXTRADITION STATUTE AND EVEN BEGIN AN
STATUTE AND EVEN BEGIN AN INVESTIGATION INTO POLICE
INVESTIGATION INTO POLICE BRUTALITY.
BRUTALITY. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS
THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICE IN HONG KONG.
ABOUT THE POLICE IN HONG KONG. AND FRANKLY IF CARRIE LAM
AND FRANKLY IF CARRIE LAM HERSELF WOULD RESIGN, THAT WOULD
HERSELF WOULD RESIGN, THAT WOULD HELP BUT BEGS THE QUESTION WHO
HELP BUT BEGS THE QUESTION WHO WOULD REPLACE HER.
WOULD REPLACE HER. BUT THE PROTESTERS WILL HAVE TO
BUT THE PROTESTERS WILL HAVE TO SHOW THEY’RE NOT GOING TO KEEP
SHOW THEY’RE NOT GOING TO KEEP MOVING THE GOAL POSTS.
MOVING THE GOAL POSTS. THERE’S A REAL RISK IF THEY HAVE
THERE’S A REAL RISK IF THEY HAVE GOT VICTORY IN THEIR MOUTH AND
GOT VICTORY IN THEIR MOUTH AND THEY HAVE GONE WAY BEYOND TRYING
THEY HAVE GONE WAY BEYOND TRYING TO ADDRESS THE USUAL LEGITIMATE
TO ADDRESS THE USUAL LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS THEY HAVE IN HONG
COMPLAINTS THEY HAVE IN HONG KONG.
KONG. FOR THIS TO WORK, THERE’S GOING
FOR THIS TO WORK, THERE’S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF --
TO HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF -- FRANKLY, IT TESTS BEIJING TO SEE
FRANKLY, IT TESTS BEIJING TO SEE WHETHER THEY CAN BE A
WHETHER THEY CAN BE A STATESMANLIKE COUNTRY OR NOT OR
STATESMANLIKE COUNTRY OR NOT OR WHETHER THEY’RE GOING TO BE
WHETHER THEY’RE GOING TO BE AUTHORITARIAN AND JAM SOMETHING
AUTHORITARIAN AND JAM SOMETHING DOWN PEOPLE’S THROATS.
DOWN PEOPLE’S THROATS. IF THEY TRY TO PUT TROOPS IN
IF THEY TRY TO PUT TROOPS IN HONG KONG, THAT’S GOING TO BE
HONG KONG, THAT’S GOING TO BE DISASTER AND THEY KNOW THAT.
DISASTER AND THEY KNOW THAT. CHINESE LEADERSHIP KNOWS THAT.
CHINESE LEADERSHIP KNOWS THAT. CARRIE LAM KNOWS THAT.
CARRIE LAM KNOWS THAT. SO THEY’RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY
SO THEY’RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY’RE TRYING
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY’RE TRYING TO WAIT OUT THE PROTESTERS.
TO WAIT OUT THE PROTESTERS. I THINK THEY THINK THE
I THINK THEY THINK THE PROTESTERS ARE STARTING TO GET A
PROTESTERS ARE STARTING TO GET A LITTLE TOO FAR WITH ALL THE
LITTLE TOO FAR WITH ALL THE VIOLENCE AND ESSENTIALLY
VIOLENCE AND ESSENTIALLY SHUTTING DOWN THE CITY BY
SHUTTING DOWN THE CITY BY SHUTTING DOWN THE AIRPORT.
SHUTTING DOWN THE AIRPORT. >> EVELYN, DO YOU AGREE THAT
>> EVELYN, DO YOU AGREE THAT THIS IS THE POTENTIAL WAY OUT?
THIS IS THE POTENTIAL WAY OUT? >> YES.
>> YES. I THINK, LOOK, YOU HAVE TO MAKE
I THINK, LOOK, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE CHINESE UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE
THE CHINESE UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEIR AGREEMENT.
TO ABIDE BY THEIR AGREEMENT. THE PROBLEM IS THE PRESIDENT IS
THE PROBLEM IS THE PRESIDENT IS SILENT ON THE 1997 AGREEMENT.
SILENT ON THE 1997 AGREEMENT. I DON’T KNOW WHERE BORIS JOHNSON
I DON’T KNOW WHERE BORIS JOHNSON IS, BECAUSE THE UNITED KINGDOM
IS, BECAUSE THE UNITED KINGDOM WAS THE OTHER PARTY IN THIS AND
WAS THE OTHER PARTY IN THIS AND WHERE’S THE U.N. SECRETARY
WHERE’S THE U.N. SECRETARY GENERAL.
GENERAL. THERE ARE ACTORS WHO CAN JUST
THERE ARE ACTORS WHO CAN JUST USE THEIR VOICE TO CREATE SORT
USE THEIR VOICE TO CREATE SORT OF A NEGOTIATING PROCESS.
OF A NEGOTIATING PROCESS. AND YES, I THINK IF CARRIE LAM
AND YES, I THINK IF CARRIE LAM AND BEIJING WERE ABLE TO STAND
AND BEIJING WERE ABLE TO STAND SIDE BY SIDE AND SAY, OKAY, WE
SIDE BY SIDE AND SAY, OKAY, WE HEAR YOU, AS THE AMBASSADOR
HEAR YOU, AS THE AMBASSADOR SAID, ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT
SAID, ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY AND OVERUSE OF
POLICE BRUTALITY AND OVERUSE OF FORCE AND ALSO SAY AND WE WILL
FORCE AND ALSO SAY AND WE WILL ABIDE BY THE 1997 AGREEMENT, IT
ABIDE BY THE 1997 AGREEMENT, IT WILL GO FAR.
WILL GO FAR. >> WHAT’S YOUR SENSE, EVELYN, OF
>> WHAT’S YOUR SENSE, EVELYN, OF HOW, IF AT ALL, THE PRESIDENT’S
HOW, IF AT ALL, THE PRESIDENT’S TRADE WAR IS RELATED TO HIS
TRADE WAR IS RELATED TO HIS RHETORIC ON THIS TOPIC AND HOW
RHETORIC ON THIS TOPIC AND HOW THAT RELATES TO CHINESE DOMESTIC
THAT RELATES TO CHINESE DOMESTIC POLITICS AND WHETHER OR NOT
POLITICS AND WHETHER OR NOT BIJINGBI
BIJINGBI BEIJING IS ABLE TO MAKE A MOVE
BEIJING IS ABLE TO MAKE A MOVE ON THIS.
ON THIS. >> MY SENSE IS THIS IS NOT OUR
>> MY SENSE IS THIS IS NOT OUR PRESIDENT’S PRIORITY.
PRESIDENT’S PRIORITY. HE’S TRANSACTIONAL, HE DOESN’T
HE’S TRANSACTIONAL, HE DOESN’T CARE ABOUT THE SYSTEM OF
CARE ABOUT THE SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. HE JUST WANTS TO MAKE BIG DEALS
HE JUST WANTS TO MAKE BIG DEALS WITH BIG COUNTRIES AND TOUGH
WITH BIG COUNTRIES AND TOUGH LEADERS.
LEADERS. SO HE’S NOT INTERESTED IN
SO HE’S NOT INTERESTED IN DEMOCRACY.
DEMOCRACY. HE WANTS TO WORRY ABOUT THE
HE WANTS TO WORRY ABOUT THE TRADE DEAL.
TRADE DEAL. BUT FOR THE CHINESE, THIS IS
BUT FOR THE CHINESE, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE MOST IMPORTANT
ABSOLUTELY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ON THEIR AGENDA.
THING ON THEIR AGENDA. THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR THEM
THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR THEM THAN TRADE, I CAN GUARANTEE
THAN TRADE, I CAN GUARANTEE THAT, BECAUSE OF THE SIGNAL THAT
THAT, BECAUSE OF THE SIGNAL THAT IT SENDS IN TERMS OF THE
IT SENDS IN TERMS OF THE STRENGTH OF XI, HOW BRITTLE IS
STRENGTH OF XI, HOW BRITTLE IS THE ROWEGIME.
THE ROWEGIME. I MENTIONED TAIWAN BECAUSE CHINA
I MENTIONED TAIWAN BECAUSE CHINA ASSERTS RHETORICALLY AND
ASSERTS RHETORICALLY AND OTHERWISE THAT TAIWAN IS PART OF
OTHERWISE THAT TAIWAN IS PART OF CHINA.
CHINA. OF COURSE WE DON’T RECOGNIZE
OF COURSE WE DON’T RECOGNIZE THAT, THE INTERNATIONAL
THAT, THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY DOESN’T RECOGNIZE
COMMUNITY DOESN’T RECOGNIZE THAT.
THAT. THAT’S MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE
THAT’S MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE THE U.S. HAS A SECURITY
THE U.S. HAS A SECURITY AGREEMENT WITH TAIWAN.
AGREEMENT WITH TAIWAN. IT’S NOT A TREATY, BUT WE DO
IT’S NOT A TREATY, BUT WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO COME TO
HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO COME TO THEIR ASSISTANCE IF THEY ARE
THEIR ASSISTANCE IF THEY ARE CHALLENGED MILITARILY BY CHINA.
CHALLENGED MILITARILY BY CHINA. SO FOR CHINA THIS IS NUMBER ONE.
SO FOR CHINA THIS IS NUMBER ONE. FOR OUR PRESIDENT IT’S NOT EVEN
