

### Relationship With God:

### The World's Definition of God

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Session 1

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### This ebook is a transcript of a seminar delivered by Jesus (AJ Miller) on 11th September 2011 in Murgon, Queensland, Australia. In this seminar Jesus discusses the disparities between the world's different viewpoints of God and the truth about God's Attributes and Characteristics, with a particular emphasis on contradictions that are presented about God in the Bible.

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Table of Contents

### The World's Definition of God: Part 1

1. Introduction

1.1. Holy books that falsely portray God cannot be relied upon as God's Word

1.2. Emotions that children have towards their parents are imposed upon God

1.3. The world's definition of God arises from holy books

2. Different perceptions of God in the world

2.1. New Age concepts

2.2. The Bible's concepts

2.3. The truth about God

3. Scientifically determining the truth about God

3.1. The Christian perspective that God punishes mankind for their sins

3.2. The Christian perspective that they communicate with God through Jesus

3.3. Using logic and love to determine God's Attributes and Qualities

3.3.1. How AJ discovered God's Attributes and Characteristics in the first century

3.4. Reasons for resisting discovering the truth about God

3.5. Using logic and love to determine God's Attributes and Qualities (continued)

3.5.1. God's Emotions

3.5.2. An example of a participant who has investigated many spiritual paths

3.6. Logic needs to be applied without emotional filters

3.6.1. Knowing what love is by recognising the truth

3.7. Believing that we have more love than God is not logical

3.8. Contradictions in the Bible about God's Loving Nature

3.8.1. The issue of God giving us free will

4. Religion, control and tithing

4.1. Religion and tithing

4.2. Priests versus prophets

5. The truth about God giving us free will

5.1. Testing the truth about free will

### The World's Definition of God: Part 2

6. AJ addresses the audience's resistance to the discussion

7. The importance of understanding God

8. God and the universe

8.1. Reasons for resistance to logic

9. Divine Truth is infinite

10. The importance of examining the world's definition of God

11. Different teachings about God's Location and Nature

11.1. World views about God being punishing

11.2. Do God's Laws punish?

11.2.1. An example of gravity and aerodynamics

11.2.2. Laws that operate on the human soul

11.2.3. God's Laws are designed to teach us how to love

11.2.4. An example of getting an illness

12. Changing false belief systems

13. Different teachings about God's Mercy and Wrath

14. Different teachings about God's Perfect Creations

15. Emotional injuries impair our ability to identify illogical teachings about God

15.1. Barriers in our souls to truth and error

15.2. AJ's personal experiences of identifying untruths taught about God

15.3. Receiving God's Love with false beliefs about God

15.4. False beliefs about God enter us from our environment even if we're not religious

16. False teachings about karma

17. False beliefs that God is absent and does not love us

18. Different teachings about God leading us into temptation and testing us

19. Kinesiology calibration of different spiritual teachings

20. Different teachings about God allowing bad things to happen to us

21. Conclusions

21.1. The world is full of contradictions about God

21.2. False beliefs are allowed to enter the soul because of fear in the soul

21.2.1. False beliefs about the rapture

21.3. We need God's Truth and God's Love to remove all fear-based beliefs

21.3.1. The real Lord's Prayer

22. Closing words

The World's Definition of God: Part 1

1. Introduction

When many people read the Padgett Messages or the Book of Truths, they have an emotional openness where they feel grief and sorrow automatically flow as they're reading the messages. It's quite a beautiful process if you fully allow it; you are actually receiving Divine Love while you're reading, and your soul is open. Everything is really wonderful in that place. Reading those kinds of books can cause a lot of growth.

However, as I pointed out, in your day-to-day life there will be events that connect you with emotions of anger, frustration, annoyance. Those emotions that revolve around anger or rage-based emotions are like a doorway, a guide to the fact that in your day-to-day life you're in resistance to love.

So we can actually get into a higher state by reading the Padgett Messages and reading the Book of Truths. We can be open – crying, letting ourselves feel the emotions. All of that's fantastic and don't give it up; I've read them myself fifteen times and every time I read them I have that response. But don't go into a place in your day-to-day life of then resisting the fact that you have all these addictions in play. The addictions are still there, present in your day-to-day life. Whenever you feel anger, frustration, annoyance and so forth, you're yet to release those addictions.

So do the things that make you feel open to God, don't stop doing them, but you also need to embrace some work on dealing with and recognising the addictions that drive this other frustration – anger, annoyance, and similar feelings that you have. Let yourself find them. If you don't find them, you'll receive Divine Love to a certain point, but you will not receive any more. You'll get enough Divine Love to a degree, and then you will stagnate.

I've known people who have read the Padgett Messages every single day for 30 years, but for the last 28 or 29 of those years they've never received Divine Love because in their day-to-day life they're not looking at their addictions and resistance. That's what they're doing, and we've got to be quite honest with ourselves if we're going to do that. We all get into stagnation at some point, and when we're in stagnation we've got to realise, "Wow, this is me and my addiction." If we can do that, it's very, very positive.

Okay, let's focus on the discussion at hand. The relationship with God is the series of talks that myself and Mary are wanting to talk about. There's a number of talks we want to give in this series, and this particular one we want to talk about today is The World's Definition of God.

Now if I can clarify what we're going to talk about in this particular discussion. First, we're not going to talk about whether God exists or not. That's a completely different discussion, which we'd love to have at some point with you. We're not going to discuss things like the different belief systems on the Earth about God, ranging from there is no God, to God is dead, to God doesn't care, right the way through to there is a God who cares and loves you. I'll be referring to those things, but I'm not going to discuss every one of those subjects in detail because other talks that we give on this subject of relationship with God will address those issues.

We are not going to look at all of the contradictions in the holy books, because unfortunately the reality is that many of the so called holy books contain many contradictions within each of their books. We're going to look at some of the contradictions that refer to God, but not the contradictions that are there about other subjects, and there are literally hundreds of subjects on which these holy books contradict themselves. So we're not going to discuss that. We are however going to refer to a degree to whether we can trust the holy books, the Bible, the Quran and other books like that as being God's Word.

1.1. Holy books that falsely portray God cannot be relied upon as God's Word

One of the primary things I would like to state at the outset is this: If a book does not accurately describe God's True Nature, then my suggestion to you is that book cannot be trusted as being God's Word. Myself and Mary receive many emails in the course of a day, often coming from people whom you would call religious, who are upset about my claims and Mary's claims and also upset with us about different aspects about God. They often send me quite derogatory emails saying that they wish to debate with me, using the Bible, whether what I am saying can be the truth. I put to you and everybody who presents that to me that if you wish to debate with me about a book that can be proven to be illogical and is misrepresentative of the very God you're wanting to debate with me about, then relying on that book as a source of information is flawed from the outset in its logic. It's pointless for me to engage with any person who is not open to the irregularities, misrepresentations, and complete contradictions that are contained within a book that they're trying to argue with.

So it's pointless having a discussion about the Bible and whether the Bible says that I, Jesus, could be standing in front of you on Earth or not, when that exact same Bible presents a God that is totally not the God I know. It's a totally different God, and I suggest a God that doesn't actually exist, that is presented by many of these books.

There are many truths contained in the holy books. I'm not saying there is no truth in these books; however, I am saying that these books cannot be relied upon as the Word of God because they do not accurately present God. It's a very basic statement that I am making. If a book does not accurately present God, then it cannot be relied upon as being God's Word. Simple as that. And if it cannot be relied upon as being God's Word, then how can we use it in our logical discussion about the truth of the universe or the truth about God? It's very flawed logical reasoning to do so.

1.2. Emotions that children have towards their parents are imposed upon God

That being said, I've bought a Bible along with me so we can talk about some of the different things in it about God. Before we do, I want to raise with you one primary thing that is important to realise with regard to every book that's ever been written about God and it's this: The emotions that children have towards their parents are imposed upon "God."

The reason we're able to accept what a book like the Bible says about God is because it describes a parent that is not very different to our own. Since it describes a parent that is not very different to our own parent, we can accept that this must be the truth about God. And I put to you, that is not the case. God is better than any person on Earth.

The Bible portrays a genocidal maniac as God (Laughter). If you add up all the people the Bible says God destroyed, God murdered over 2,400,000 people. That does not include the ones that don't have numbers. For instance the Bible says God destroyed the people in Noah's day, but it doesn't give how many. It says he wiped out all the creatures, all the animals, and all the humans aside from Noah and his family. Now that's genocide, and if God chose to do that then God is a genocidal maniac. But even with that, it doesn't say how many people died. If you just record all the things in the Bible that say how many people died, God murdered over 2,400,000 people.

Now if a ruler on this planet murdered 2,400,000 people because those people would not follow his rules, what would you call him? A dictator, would you not? And I suggest to you God is not a dictator. So the Bible portrays a god that does not exist. It does portray many parental emotions that do exist, unfortunately, but not in God. Unfortunately they exist in the world – and that becomes the world's definition of God. That's what's actually happening. The Bible portrays a God who is selfish, petty, unforgiving, unmerciful and unloving, and I'm going to show that to you today. [00:14:47.27]

This is one of the reasons there is so much confusion on the Earth about God. Even the so-called holy books that are meant to portray God accurately and are meant to be God's Word portray a God that doesn't exist. They portray a person who is worse than the average person on Earth in their emotional state, and I'm going to show you that in this discussion.

1.3. The world's definition of God arises from holy books

Mary: I just have a question, babe. We've all been coming along and listening to you for however long we all have been. Why are you taking to us about the Bible today?

Because the world's definition of God is proclaimed to have come from many of these holy books like the Quran and the Bible, and since the world's definition of God has come from them, we now must examine them to examine what kind of God these books portray.

Mary: So even if we've never picked up a Bible, this has been a part of our culture, our life, and our schooling?

This has been a part of our culture and our life. I should have bought along another book I bought just recently called "The God Fallacy." It's a very good book, written by an atheist. I can't agree with his assumptions that God doesn't exist; however, a lot of the things he says in the book are definitely true. My suggestion is to have a look at that book. I forget the name of the writer. I am in complete harmony with many atheists that I meet about religion and about religion's definition of God, but I put to them that many of them are atheists because they are thinking that religion's view of God is the correct view of God, and this is not a very logical assumption. [00:17:06.06]

How can the religions that have come across the Earth over literally thousands of years, through which a lot of these books arrive, have accurately portrayed God when the majority of us have emotions as children towards our own parents that we're now seeing as God?

One other thing I'd like to clarify at the beginning of the discussion is that I actually love the Bible and I love the Quran, but I do not agree that they are God's Word. It becomes very evident when you start looking at the different things that are said about God that they cannot be God's Word. At the end of the day, a book that portrays God inaccurately can only be man's word.

However, there is a large degree of truth that you can find in the Bible and the Quran and many other holy books. The problem is sorting out the truth from the error. Although that may seem to be a problem, it's actually quite simple: If you base everything on love, you will soon see what's error. That's the way we can test everything – whether it's loving or not. So I'm going to present some verses that I've written down and present some ideas to you about what God is and why there is so much confusion about God.

Many of you have probably spent much of your life trying to discover what God is, and many of us in fact have given up the process of discovering what God is because it seems so convoluted. There seem to be so many varying opinions. So in the end we just give up, we finish up saying nobody knows. We'll just wait and see and we hope that when we pass, we'll be able to see. Then you start talking to some spirits and you realise that they don't see what God is either. So passing doesn't help in understanding God, and in fact many spirits are just as confused about God as we are here on Earth. Even though they realise there's no such thing as death, they still have just as much confusion about what God is.

2. Different perceptions of God in the world

So let's start with some of these different perceptions that the world has, which I'd call contradictions.

2.1. New Age concepts

First of all there are the New Age people, if I can call them that. I've been called a New Age person and I can't agree that I am a New Age person. Besides the fact that I am 2000 years old (Laughter), I can't agree with a lot of the philosophies. While I love the New Age movement in the sense that I feel it has opened up mankind to the possibility of spirit interaction and it's opened up mankind to a lot of very good concepts that the religions generally have shut down, the reality is also unfortunately that the New Age concept of God is perhaps its largest flaw.

What is the New Age concept of God? That "I am God," God is energy, God is the universe. Logically there are a lot of flaws already. What we're basically saying is that "I am equal to God" and that's equal to "I am the universe," so that means that I am the universe as well.

Do you feel like the universe at this point in time? (Laughter) Or do you feel like a person who exists in the universe at this point in time? Which one? You certainly don't feel like the universe, do you? So, I, God, and the universe are equal and are one. Well, that sounds very interesting. There are a few other things that are said to be at-one with God or one with God, but the reality obviously is that there is no logic in this, none whatsoever.

What I find outstanding on Earth is how totally illogical things can be presented and through the mind and the use of words, it can then be accepted as a logical possible argument on which to base the rest of your life. Don't you find that funny? That we're willing to go through this process of doing these mental gymnastics just in order to avoid the fact that we don't know the truth? We'd rather know the truth, even if it's a lie and call it the truth, than actually understand the truth. It would be far better to say I've got no idea about God than it would be to say I am equal to God and that's equal to the universe and, therefore, I'm saying I am the universe. Honestly, I feel that's definitely proven to be incorrect. I am existing in the universe, that is definitely correct. So that's the New Age movement.

2.2. The Bible's concepts

Now what does the Bible say about the same subject? I'll just read you from the book of Job. It says,

"One day the angels came to present themselves before God, and Satan also came with them."

Now if you can stand before somebody, what is that saying? They are an entity, aren't they? A being, someone whom you can be before. And it says,

"God said to Satan, 'Very well then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.' Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord."

The Bible is saying that Satan talked to God. Therefore, God can hold a conversation. It's not just a force, or an energy. I'm not saying whether this is true or not at this point, but the Bible is saying that God is an entity and that God speaks in some manner. Let's not define it too closely, but obviously God is someone you can stand before, or there is a personage of God. It might not be a man like we are, but there is an entity, a person, a being that the Bible talks about as being God.

Now can you see straight away that there is a lot of confusion here. One movement is saying that I am God and you are God, and the other movement is saying no, no, no that's all wrong, the reality is that God is an entity or a being. We have quite substantial religious movements on the planet saying that God is a being; then there are other movements on the planet saying that God is totally the opposite – there's no such thing as a being of God, I am a part of God, all of us individually are fragments of God. So we have completely contradictory information about what God even is.

How can I connect to a god when I have no idea or even an intellectual concept that's accurate because I've been influenced by all these different forms? This New Age form originated generally in the Eastern philosophies. Now when I say the Eastern philosophies, I'm talking primarily about the Buddhist and Hindu philosophies about God. The biblical ones came from all the concept of God being a punishing father sort of figure, and these processes all came from there. How do I determine the reality? How do I know what the truth is, because we've got all this contradictory information?

It's no wonder the world is confused about God because we have all of this contradictive information, and it's so bad that the people who believe the biblical concept are totally willing to fight the people who believe the New Age belief. If there were love, would you be willing to fight somebody with a different belief than you have? But they do, they fight them, they'll go to war with them, there have been genocides and inquisitions as a result of different belief systems being imposed or forced upon another. Whole races of humans have been exterminated as a result, or I should say, the excuse for extermination of a whole range of races has been that they didn't have the right belief. Now that doesn't place too much confidence in us about any of the beliefs being true, does it, if we're honest about that?

2.3. The truth about God

Here we have these two beliefs, now what is the truth? We can say what the truth is, but there's got to be a way to test it, doesn't there? There has to be a way to test it. So while we can say the truth, we do not expect any individual who hears the presentation to then assume that that is the truth. We're suggesting that they can test whether this is true or not through a process, and that process is independent of any holy book, of any religion, or of any mediator, which means that it has a higher degree of accuracy than any other possible process.

The truth is that God is an entity with characteristics and attributes, the greatest of which, as far as we know at this point, is love. Now I say "the greatest of which we know at this point" because nobody has discovered the full extent of God yet; therefore, we can only assume that the thing that seems to be the greatest attribute appears at this point to be love. We can only say that because it seems to be based on what we've discovered at this point. [00:29:44.15]

Now I put to you another truth, and that is if God created the universe and God created all humanity on every planet, then God must be quite a powerful being. We often refer to the universe as infinite in nature; therefore God must be greater than the universe's infinite nature for God to create such a universe. For me then, as a finite being, to discover God is going to take a process of time. I can't expect to just ask the question and get the answer without understanding the full extent of everything in-between. And that is a process that we need to engage.

So I put to anybody that you cannot fully describe God until you begin to engage the process God has designed for you to engage to get to know that God. That is the process of receiving Divine Love, the process of becoming born again. That process through its practice will enable you to discover more and more of God until you get to a point where you know for certain of God's Existence and you know for certain many of God's Characteristics and Attributes.

3. Scientifically determining the truth about God

The world's definition of God presents the biblical definition like an angry father, while the New Age definition is saying that God doesn't really exist, except we are all God or all a part of God, or the universe is God. Both of those world definitions of God, because of their nature, are impossible to accurately test.

The only definition of God that's going to turn out to be true is the definition of God that can be accurately tested in a scientific method that can be described. In other words there is a scientific method that can be described that will eventually enable you to connect to the truth about God.

This applies to all things in the universe. We can experiment with everything in the universe to find out its truth as long as we know the proper experiment, that's the key thing. We need to know the proper experiment in order to do so. And what I'm suggesting to you is experiments will eventually prove the biblical concepts of God and the New Age concepts of God to be untrue and the concept that God is an entity with attributes and characteristics to be true. [00:32:44.10]

3.1. The Christian perspective that God punishes mankind for their sins

Mary: So, babe, there are a lot of Christians on the planet who would say that they are using that experiment and that they have evidence for the fact that there is an angry God because things happen that seemingly punish people for their sin.

I would argue that that's incorrect. The Bible itself says that many people who are so-called wicked by the Bible's definition get away with all sorts of things. There are many people on the planet right now who've gotten away with blasphemy, gotten away with adultery, gotten away with murder, gotten away with fornication; these are all things condemned in the Bible, but lots and lots of people on Earth are getting away with it.

Mary: So they would say that's grace; that's God's Mercy and Grace, wouldn't they?

No, they wouldn't say that because they don't believe that they're going to get away with it. What they believe instead is that the angry God will have a day of judgement where all of those things will be punished. I put to them that God, who is infinitely just, infinitely merciful, infinitely loving, infinitely understanding, and infinitely intelligent, does not need to kill any of the persons He creates; all He needs to do is correct them. He doesn't need to kill them – he needs to correct them. If we were a parent who had a lawless child, would we want to kill them or correct them? What would we want – to correct them, surely. [00:34:29.23]

What we are basically saying is that God doesn't want that – God only wants to kill them. He doesn't want to correct them. We are also saying that this God is incapable of correcting them without finishing up killing them. The religions even go further, though. They say killing them isn't enough; what we want to do because they've been bad people who have done all of these different things that we condemn, we're going to place them in a place of eternal torment for what they've done.

Now I put to you, no matter how bad your son or daughter becomes, would you kill them? Secondly, realising they're still alive; place them in a place where they'll be tormented in pain and torture for the rest of their existence? Would you do that? It doesn't sound like a very loving thing to do, does it? I put to you that the majority of people on Earth would not choose to do that. They would choose to do something different if they had the option, and I put to you that God, being an entity with unlimited resources and an unlimited intellect, would know what the options are, other than doing that very base thing that most of humanity condemns.

3.2. The Christian perspective that they communicate with God through Jesus

Mary: And what about Christians who say that God speaks to them through their relationship with you? They pray to you and they actually hear answers, and isn't that proof of their experiment?

The unfortunate thing is that they certainly do hear answers, and sometimes the answers are coming from spirits who are God's Representatives. Other times the answers are coming from spirits who are not God's Representatives. Many Christians have said, "We went to war because we got guidance from God that we should go to war." [00:36:47.00]

Participant: George Bush said that.

George Bush said that recently, in the last ten years. Now this is basically saying that God is telling a person on Earth that the genocide or the punishment of another human race through violence is acceptable. And I say to you, well, that certainly portrays one kind of God, but not the kind of God that I know; it's certainly not the God that I taught in the first century, and it's certainly not the God that actually exists. So those kinds of guidance must come from another source, an evil source, a source that wants to create more violence on the planet. That's the reality.

3.3. Using logic and love to determine God's Attributes and Qualities

Mary: So how can we know then? Is it through a measure of love?

This is how I feel we can know; it's a very basic explanation. I have a level of love inside of my own heart already that tells me that to kill another person is a wrong act. The majority of you feel the same, do you not? And let's face it, the majority of people on Earth must feel the same, otherwise there wouldn't be a law against murder. If there is a law against murder, that tells me that the majority of people on the planet disagree with murder, and that murder is basically me selfishly thinking that I have the right to determine whether another person lives or dies for anything that they've done, and me thinking I have the right to kill them under some circumstances.

We then as humanity justify the circumstance, but every person's justification is different. Some people feel it's okay to kill a person just because they disobey you. Stalin, Hitler and all of the genocidal people that have lived on Earth who have been a part of the ruling system have believed that. But that feeling really feels abhorrent inside of my own soul.

Now if it feels abhorrent inside of my own soul to act in that way, and I know that it is not loving, then surely the God who created me must have more love in Him or Her than I do. Does that not make logical sense? If God has more love in Him than I have in me, then surely that God would be just as shocked about a person's desire to murder as I would be. And while God may understand the underlying emotions that cause the person to revert to murder, He would certainly not justify it and neither would God justify His own killing of millions of people in the process. If I have a certain degree of love within me, then if there is a God that exists, that God must have more love than I have. If that God created my being, even my physical body, which is an amazing apparatus that mankind cannot reproduce, that God must have supreme amounts of intelligence. And if that God is intelligent and also is able to give me the gift of feeling love, then surely that God must have more love than I and more intelligence than I.

My analysing that God through my own limited intelligence puts a lot of limitation on the analysis. I'm trying with my finite brain to understand an infinite being who gave me the gift of love that I don't understand but I feel. And I'm trying with my limited mind to understand an infinite being who created an infinite universe, most of which I do not understand with my mind – yet I judge that infinite being as being less in love than myself. Does that make sense to you? It doesn't make any sense to me, logically. So my answer to people who believe that God is an angry father is that there is a lot of logic to prove that God is not such a being.

Participant: Does our inability to understand God have a big impact on why we have these other beliefs?

Well, does it make sense from a logical perspective that God would create children that cannot understand God? It does not, does it? My suggestion is the only reason we cannot understand God is we're trying to apply the wrong rules to God and therefore it's impossible for us to understand God.

We are only going to be able to understand God when we connect to God in the manner in which God designed for us to connect to God. Then of course we will understand God. There are people in the universe who understand immense amounts of information about God, but not everything. God has yet to have a lot of parts of His or Her characteristics and attributes discovered, but they understand much more than what we generally understand here on Earth about God. And we understand more the more we connect to God through this process that I believe a logical God would create. And this is how I reasoned in the first century.

3.3.1. How AJ discovered God's Attributes and Characteristics in the first century

Many people ask me why I even decided to long for love, why I decided to long for this connection with this God. In the first century I realised that there was no logic on Earth about God. None whatsoever; it was all just imposed upon mankind's belief about their parents, mostly, or acceptable systems of religion, which were all about control. They weren't about God. I was thinking logically about my own nature and my own characteristics and thinking if I was created by a being, then logically that being must have more love than I, more intelligence than I, more understanding than I, more wisdom than I, more justice than I, more everything than I. And my assuming that such a being would be less than I am is such an absurd proposition that it makes no logical sense to even believe it. [00:43:46.02]

I don't believe that God created us to not understand God. God did not create a mysterious process for us to understand God. However, God did create a process to understand God, and all that was needed was for us to discover that process. The reason I discovered it in the first century is because it made so much logical sense to me that God would create a very simple process. Something that any person of any level of intelligence on the planet would understand if you present it to them, from a young child that you could teach at two years of age; something that's so simple, so logical and so easy that any person could engage this process of getting to know God. All I did was assume, in the first instance in the first century, that I could engage this very simple process and I'd see what happened.

As I engaged the process and saw what happened, I felt the changes within me, I felt God's Love enter me, and I felt the different adjustments that came as a result. Now I knew for certain that my assumption was correct – just like any scientist would make an assumption, then perform an experiment, then come to a conclusion based on the experiments. That's all I did. I just happened to be the first person to think about doing that for some reason, which I still don't understand. (Laughs) Because I don't understand that such a logical thing could be misrepresented and misplaced by the human race. I still don't understand that.

3.4. Reasons for resisting discovering the truth about God

Participant: I can get the logic of it, so I'm feeling then that it's my resistance to really knowing and wanting to know my emotional addictions that really is in the way of knowing the truth?

It's not so much your resistance from your emotional addictions, although they do have a part, but the resistance comes from a number of sources, not just your emotions. Your resistance comes from your environment; your resistance comes also from the belief systems that you've imbibed from the environment.

If I have a belief system that there is only an angry father for me to connect to, who wants to connect to an angry father? So I'm going to avoid the process. If I have a belief system that this angry father will punish me for something that I feel ashamed of doing in the past, that I know was wrong, then I'm going to have resistance to connect to this angry father. They're all emotional, but they're all based on belief systems as well. [00:46:44.13]

If I also have a feeling inside of myself that I can't bear my own emotions – and I need to connect to my father through an emotion – then of course I'm going to have resistance to that process as well.

So I realised that while the process was simple, that a little child could understand, it wasn't going to be easy because the world around us has completely different concepts. And the world doesn't like giving up its concepts at all. Why were these concepts created? The concepts of religion were created primarily for one purpose and that was to control, to control the masses. Statements made by atheists about religion being "the opium of the people" are very correct. That's the reality. It's a way of controlling groups of people, not enabling their free will.

Of course I'm going to look at this God and think, "This God doesn't want me to have my will; He wants me to give up my will for His Will." Do you want to connect to such a God? I don't know about you, but I don't want to connect to such a God. So of course I'm going to have resistance to that process.

All of the resistances are really our resistance to truth, our resistance to love, our resistance to coping with our emotions, that are based around the environment in which we've grown.

The world has nurtured confusion about God so that we all remain disconnected from this being. Why did they want to be disconnected? Because if you connect to a being that you then feel a desire to be connected to, you are no longer going to be in your own mind self-determinant. You are going to feel that somebody else might have some more information that will help you determine what's going to go on in your life. And mankind is so hell bent on being self-reliant that we're willing to completely deny a God and we're willing to create huge confusion about what that God is in order to justify our own self-reliance.

Remember I once said to you as a group that self-reliance is the biggest single injury within mankind. It was created right at the beginning of mankind's progress, and it remains within the human race to such an extent today that the majority of humans have no desire to connect to God. Not because this God cannot be proven to exist though logic and not because this God cannot be proven through logic to be loving, but because mankind wants self-reliance. That's one of the biggest injuries.

3.5. Using logic and love to determine God's Attributes and Qualities (continued)

God's basic underlying characteristic, if you like, is that God is an entity with characteristics and attributes, the primary one of which that has been discovered at this point is the attribute of love.

3.5.1. God's Emotions

I put to you that we cannot have an emotion within ourselves that does not exist within our creator. I'm not talking about damaging emotions. If you look at the damaging emotions, they are all about self-determination. I'm talking about emotions that are based around love. We cannot have a certain degree of love without our Greatest Parent, the Creator, having more love than we have. It's impossible to actually have love to that extent.

A lot of people then in the New Age movement go, "Yes, and that means that if we have anger and rage, then God must have more anger and rage than we have." I put to you that there are some things that God created and there are other things that man created, and the two aren't the same. An intelligent person would certainly not create anger, and to be frank with you, every time you're angry you're not being very intelligent. Think about what anger does. It often harms others, it's often murderous, it generally harms other people's free will, it is a terrible feeling that exists inside ourselves, and yet we create it within ourselves. [00:52:06.11]

I put to you that's not a very logical thing to do. It's far more logical to look at the addiction that creates the anger than it is to stay in the anger. Now that's what I can work out with my own limited feeble logic. Surely God knows that. Surely God knows that anger is a pointless and useless emotion that drives terrible, unloving actions. That's what I know; surely God must know the same thing. And if God knows the same thing, then why would anger exist within God? It doesn't make any sense logically to me that anger does.

3.5.2. An example of a participant who has investigated many spiritual paths

Participant: Just following that logic, I know what I believed before was erroneous, but it was first believing in the Bible and then realising that it was all bullshit. So because I got really upset with ...

I don't feel the Bible is all bullshit.

Participant: No, but I did.

Yeah, I understand.

Participant: I got really upset.

Yeah. A lot of people punish the Bible for leading them down a path that they through their own free will chose to take. Now that's not very logical either.

Participant: No.

But go on.

Participant: But I really believed it and then I went against it. Then I looked for something, and because I felt that the Bible was so illogical I then went to the New Age path and the yogic everything. I listened to what you say. There was a lot of logic in how they presented it all – if we have the same attributes as God then we are God. I can see how I got involved in it.

I agree, I'm not saying that we should be ashamed of ourselves for getting involved in different religious pursuits. What I am saying is that when you apply logic fully to a particular discussion, you can see its flaws quite easily. This is why a lot of people are atheists. What they do is look at the New Age movement, apply a lot of logic to it, see the flaws, and therefore say, "I can't believe that." Then they look at the Christian movement and they apply a logic to it, see a lot of its flaws, and they can't believe that. Then they look at the Islam movement, the Muslim movement, and they apply a lot of logic, see its flaws, can't believe in that. Then they look at the Hindus and the Buddhists and they apply a lot of logic in different areas and can't see the logic in it. They then assume there can't be a God. I don't see that as a logical extension of that complete argument. That's the difference. [00:54:55.00]

3.6. Logic needs to be applied without emotional filters

Participant: What I was saying for myself was that if I hadn't heard you speak, I would have applied what I thought was logical and stayed in that path. How do people who don't hear you speak or know this come to the logic themselves that what they are actually following is not logical? Because I didn't come to that.

Well, I find that it's very hard to do that. Remember I began this conversation with the fact that we have applied a lot of principles of God because of the different beliefs we have about our parents and because of the world's definition of God that we've grown up with. So it's very, very hard for us then to apply logic that isn't somehow emotionally influenced. The majority of people, when they're applying logic to a situation, do not realise the emotional influence that's influencing their logic. Since they don't understand the emotional influence upon their logic, they then take logical conclusions that are not necessarily true.

For instance, the author I was reading last night, in the God fallacy book, was talking about my life, saying I was the instigator of monetary-based religion because my followers instigated a monetary-based religion. Now he's trying to apply logic to a situation that he does not know, and it's very hard to apply logic to something when you haven't got all the facts. The fact is that I didn't promote a money-based religion at all. In fact, I felt quite the opposite about a money-based religion. I do believe that gifts can be received and given, however that is totally up to the individual's purpose. He was saying that I was promoting the tithe, which was a Judaism-based process, and he felt that as the result of that I was the instigator of a lot of the badness that came about because of the instigation of the monetary-based religion. [00:57:15.23]

Now I don't see the extension of that argument. This is often what happens on Earth: we have the world's arguments presented to us without knowing all the facts. I believe that you have to find out all the facts if it's possible, and if you don't know all the facts it's best not to make a decision upon that matter until you know all of the facts. Once you do know the facts, you can start applying the truth to those facts and start coming up with the actual answers. I feel that's what we're capable of doing with logic. Unfortunately for the majority of people when they apply logic, they apply logic through a lot of emotional filters; therefore, their logic isn't logical.

3.6.1. Knowing what love is by recognising the truth

Mary: It feels to me that love is very logical. It always leads us into logic if we have a correct understanding of love, but it feels to me that the issue on the planet is that people don't have a good understanding of what love is and from an emotional perspective. I know that's flawed as well.

I don't know whether I can agree with that. The reality is that the average person in their day-to-day life does feel when things feel unloving.

Mary: But it's the avoidance of owning that truth then, isn't it?

Exactly. So I feel that it's more about the denial of love and therefore the denial of truth.

Mary: Denial of pain, isn't it?

Yeah. And all of those kinds of things, rather than it being about the average person not knowing.

Mary: So if my parent hurts me and says that they love me, I can feel that that's not love.

Exactly.

Mary: But because I don't want to face the pain of my parent not loving me, I accept that it is love.

Exactly.

Mary: Therefore, when I enter a relationship with God, or I've decided I'm going to discover about God, I can explain away issues of unlovingness as love because I'm still avoiding that primary pain with my parents.

Yes, exactly. So while I'm trying to apply logic to the God-based relationship, I'm not realising that I haven't even been logical about my parent in a relationship. [00:59:39.10]

Mary: It seems I can say it's logical, my parents hit me, and that's the way I learned.

And they love me.

Mary: And they love me and that's how I learnt. So I can say that it's logical that God would do something that hurts me and that would be love.

And the reality is that the time you were hit by your parents, you didn't feel loved; you felt terrified, scared and abused.

Mary: But it's this very issue that we have to conquer isn't it? It's an allowance of our own pain.

Yes.

Mary: And a recognition of truth.

It's a recognition of actually being able to identify the truth of our own pain, what its source was. Most of the time we are in complete avoidance of what the source is of our own pain. Many of us are still grappling with the idea that our parent didn't love us. We want to believe our parent must have, yet they belted us, treated us violently in some way. Many of us have done the same thing with our own children, still justifying that we loved them, and I put to you that that's not love.

Mary: So that's the main issue with the world's definition?

Yeah, the main issue with the world's definition of God is that people have all of these parental emotions in play, which they then impose upon God using the same logic they have with the parents. That logic is flawed. When we become adults, if a man comes up and punches you on the nose, you can actually go to a police station, report him and if there are more than two witnesses to the act, he can go to jail for what he did to you. Yet a parent can punch their child on the nose any time they like and it's not called assault. There is something wrong with our reasoning. Logically, if it's an assault for an adult then it surely must be assault, and even a worse one, for the child. And yet we're not logical, we're not even applying logic to that situation. Then we start treating God in the same manner as we've treated our parents. [01:01:45.00]

3.7. Believing that we have more love than God is not logical

Mary: I can just feel the audience is grappling a little bit with what's being presented, which I think is good. For me, I can connect to a loving God; it just feels so logical to me. I guess because I'm reincarnated maybe, that's not a hard...

Well I feel partly it's because mankind on Earth still stops this logical reasoning. They believe that they have more love than God does.

Mary: Or that God would reason like them.

God might reason like us, we don't know, but to assume that God has less love than we do when God created us and we have love within ourselves makes no logical sense. If there is a God that exists, that God must have more love than I do, otherwise where did my love come from?

For example, you look at the animals and other creatures without mankind; you know, an animal will eat its own child. I don't ever feel like doing that. There have been cases in history where people have done it, but there are also cases where people have been totally selfless, which is a totally illogical act from an evolutionary perspective. The whole evolutionary process of the survival of the fittest makes no sense if you look at the average person's selfless acts. [01:03:22.00]

The average person is capable of selfless acts. If they're capable of selfless acts then the process of evolution based on the survival of the fittest doesn't make any sense. I believe there is evolution, but not based on survival of the fittest. It makes no sense, because the majority of people on the planet are capable of selfless acts. Particularly a mother or father is capable of selfless acts when it comes to their own children. They'll save their children at their own expense. Not everyone, but some will. Just the fact that one does is proof that there must be more love.

Mary: So the proof of one shows us that there's love.

Exactly.

Mary: That's the capability of love within us, so therefore God must have a greater capacity for love.

Exactly.

Mary: So we can't measure it by the lack of love within others, because we can see there's a capacity for a greater amount.

Exactly. There's got to be a capacity of a greater amount of love in God. If the best of us is capable of a certain amount of love, then God has got to be capable of a greater amount. It makes logical sense.

3.8. Contradictions in the Bible about God's Loving Nature

This is why like the Bible says this about God in first John, 4:8 God is Love,

"Whoever does not love, does not know God because God is love."

But the problem is the Bible then goes on to contradict itself. This is what it says in second Thessalonians verses 1:6-10,

"All this is evidence that God's Judgement is right and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God for which you are suffering. God is just, he will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marvelled at among those who have believed." [01:06:10.00]

Yeah. (Laughter) How about another one? I think I've got another one, yeah here's a good one. This is the same God, another rule, Exodus 21, verse 17.

"Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death."

There are literally hundreds of verses I could have chosen. So one verse is saying God is love and then we have a contradictory verse, second Thessalonians 1:6-10, which basically says that God's going to punish all of the people who don't accept God and who don't accept God's Truth.

Again, this makes no logical sense. If you were an all-powerful being, why would you create a system where people can go against you if you're going to punish them for going against you? It's like setting people up to be murdered. Does that make logical sense to you that a God who is all-knowing and infinitely wise can create such a system where he will set you up so that you can go against His rules and regulations, but if you do go against His rules and regulations, you're going to die? Then, of course, it's not death – you'll be eternally tormented for doing so.

Now does that actually make much sense to you? It makes no logical sense to me whatsoever. So while I agree with the statement that God is love, I don't agree that God is punishing.

In fact, I suggest that love is never punishing. Love is a more powerful emotion than any other emotion and therefore does not need to punish. Logically, God is far more intelligent than myself. I would definitely not create a system where a group of people could do the wrong thing and then I punish them for doing it. I would not logically do that. Would you? So why do we think God would do it if we wouldn't do it? [01:09:13.10]

We're basically saying again that God's worse than we are, are we not? We're basically saying we're up here and God is way down here in terms of a concept of love. Yet God was intelligent enough to create this body that I know nothing about. I do not really understand its operation at all, and I certainly don't understand why life lives in it and then dies for some reason. I've got no understanding of that or all these internal processes that man is trying to discover. We can't make the same body, yet we're saying that God is less intelligent than we are and more unloving than we are. Now that does not make any logical sense either, does it? Can you see where we're flawed in our reasoning?

3.8.1. The issue of God giving us free will

Participant: Isn't that part that you've just talked about, showing people that their free will is, "You come with me or you die, that's the choice you make."

Yeah, but I put to you that's not free will. Is it?

Participant: But you can still choose death.

To die.

Participant: If you don't wish to go with the other person.

But does that not sound like sort of a genocidal maniac?

Participant: It's not much of a choice, I know.

No. (Laughter) But doesn't it sound like someone like Stalin? And what do we feel about Stalin? Do you feel that he was a good bloke, nice, friendly, open, nice, loving fellow?

Participant: (Laughs) No.

Stalin killed 40 million people that we know about. That's the assumed figure, although nobody really knows the total figure.

Participant: More than God killed in the Bible.

Well, God killed 2.4 million that are recorded, but that's without including the extermination of the whole human race in the day of Noah. So if we add the day of Noah to it, we might find the figures are very similar, or perhaps even exceed Stalin's. If that's the case, what we're basically saying is God is like Stalin (laughs), which is an interesting logical assertion, but doesn't make much sense. [01:11:30.10]

4. Religion, control and tithing

4.1. Religion and tithing

Participant: When the powers that be put the books of the Bible together, would they have chosen all of the books that have been left out, like the Apocryphal books? Do they show that God is more loving in those books than He is in the ones that had been included in the Bible?

Well some do and some don't. They were written by different people. Therefore, they had the slant of the person who wrote them and were influenced by spirits who often influence the person writing. So some showed more of a loving God and some showed less of one. What is more the case is that the Bible books were often chosen by the priesthood in order to maintain control.

If I can create a simple set of rules whereby I can state to you that certain things are not allowed and certain things are allowed, and the things that are not allowed have the threat of eternal torment after death, then I can provide a lot of fear for you. And there's a high likelihood that you'll accede to my wishes, which are that I want you to pay me my tithe for delivering this information to you and keeping you under control. [01:12:53.00]

It's a very funny system when you think about it. You're paying somebody to keep you under control, and that's often the Church. That's one of the reasons the Church was created, and a lot of the Christian rules and processes were based on earlier processes that the Jews had. These were all present in my day. The priesthood was reliant on the gifts given to them from the people. So instead of just relying on the gift, what they did was they insured the gift would occur. It's no longer a gift, it's now a payment.

What they did is a bit like what I've seen you do, where you go, "It's available by donation, $10." (Laughter) I've seen this happen. In fact the guys who are making up the communication team wrote an email that we didn't send out, thank goodness. They actually did a presentation where somebody says, "This is all available for a $10 donation." Now a $10 donation is not a gift. That is now a requirement. Peter knows that I've had this discussion with him many times. That's why we're doing our own DVD's because of this principle.

The religions have placed a requirement, and this is why they have this thing called a collection plate; they've gone through all different means. Many religions historically went into the tithing system, which means you pay 10% of your wages to whomever.

Imagine the amount if you've got a million people paying 10% of their wages every week. What's the average wage nowadays in Australia? Let's be really tight and say the average wage is $500 a week. If it's $500 a week then a 10th of that is $50 and there are a million people. So what's that every week? $50 million. Just with a million people, $50 million coming in every week. What's that per year – $2.5 billion a year, just from Australians who practice that one thing. Can you see high desire to maintain that if you're into money? So religion has become a money making exercise.

Now ironically I get accused of being a money making exercise just by having a donation box up the back. None of you are under any pressure to donate and I'm just providing you a means to give a gift if you wish, which I feel is a very different process than actually demanding it from you or tithing it from you. [01:15:59.18]

So what's the difference between myself and a person who is, say, a New Age speaker, what do they call them nowadays? Not that I'm as good as many of them but...

Participant: Motivational speaker.

A motivational speaker. So what do they do? They have four or five hundred people come along, sometimes one hundred people come along, and many of them charge $600-$1000 for the session. And I get condemned for putting a contribution box up the back. That doesn't make much sense to me either.

4.2. Priests versus prophets

There is the priesthood and then there are the prophets. The priesthood wants to control, they want to manipulate you and use your money. The prophets just want to tell you about God, what's going on with God, what you can do to connect with God, and what you can do to bring your life into more harmony with love.

I'm one of the prophets. There are many millions of priests on the planet; there are very few prophets. That's the reality. Now the priesthood determined a lot of the rules, such as in the Bible. They determined a lot of the rules because they wished to control, and that's a fact. One way to control is to say that the almighty being of the universe has this system in place where if you do the wrong thing you die, then on top of that you get tortured for the rest of your existence after your death. You can see why many people are terrified of God, can't you?

Would you desire to connect to a God you're terrified of? No. So what do they say? That you must fear God. This is in the Bible in many places – you must fear God because God is this punishing God who is going to not only kill you, should you be a wrong doer, but he's going to take more steps than that, he is going to torture you for the rest of your existence. Now obviously that God cannot exist, because I wouldn't do it. I don't care whether any of you would do it. The fact that one person, myself, would not do that means that, that God cannot exist. Can you see the logic of that? If just one person on the Earth would not do that, then it means that particular God cannot exist.

5. The truth about God giving us free will

Let's go to the free will discussion, shall we?

Mankind is very confused about the gifts God has given us. The New Age religion basically says that God gave us free will. Some of them say that it is with consequences and some of them say that it is with none, it just depends on how liberal they are. For the ones who say it's with consequences, they call that karma. And the ones who say there are no consequences and that everything is right, they of course don't have a name for it. (Laughter)

What does the Bible say? Well, the very person who's giving this talk to you is often quoted as saying all sorts of things that he didn't say. (Laughter) But this one I'd like to read to you. It's in the book of John, chapter 6 verse 38. It says,

"For I have come down from heaven, not to do my will, but to do the will of Him that sent me."

In other words, the Bible is basically saying forget about your will. The leader of your religion said,

"Not my will but the will of Him that sent me."

Now that is another false statement in the Bible. I never said that, and I never am going to say it, because the reality is it is my will, and it was my will to continue teaching what I'm teaching. I desire to do it. If I didn't desire to do it, I wouldn't do it, no matter what God told me. But the Bible says it is not my will – God's Will is the thing that we need to follow.

Does this make much sense? Of course it results in a lot of confusion. One form of religion is saying that God gave us free will, which means we're allowed to do anything we want; the other is basically saying God gave us free will but when you don't do God's Will, you'll get killed. That doesn't feel like free will anymore. That feels like one thing matters and that's all.

The Bible also says this in Galatians 6:7

"Do not be deceived, God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to appease his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction. The one who sows to please the spirit, from that spirit will reap eternal life."

The Bible also says that not only do we not follow our own will, but whatever we choose to do is going to have a consequence. It's interesting, we're not meant to follow our own will. It's bit confusing, but we'll leave the confusion there.

5.1. Testing the truth about free will

So there's Galatians 6 verse 7. We've got John 6 verse 38. What's the truth? And remember I'm saying to you that the truth can be tested. It's interesting when you talk to spirits because they've had a lot more opportunity to test than we have and they have an opportunity to tell you about the spirit world. It's interesting when you talk to them, and one of the reasons the priesthood doesn't want you to talk to the spirits is you might find out the truth about what it's really like.

I've talked to many Christian spirits who have ended up in what's called hell in the spirit world, but it's not a place of fiery torment. They are immediately confused because they're in a place where they feel terrible, but there's no fire and there's no Satan, and they don't understand. When you talk to spirits who believe that God gave us free will, there's a sense of karma where what you sow, you will reap. They generally find themselves in a bit better condition because they have realised that the actions they take that are unloving have an unloving consequence, but unfortunately for many of them, they didn't realise what love was because they had the world's definition of love, as we talked about yesterday in "Human Relationships - The World's Definition of Love." So they are reaping the consequence of actions they thought were loving but were actually unloving, and many of them have distress about that. [01:24:46.16]

So what's the truth about God? Well, God gave us free will. I feel that is definitely a truth. This can be tested. There's a "but": every action that we take in harmony with love has a positive consequence on our soul and every action that we take out of harmony with love has a negative consequence on our soul. We have free will, but there is a consequence to every action we take. We are allowed to believe different things than the truth. Some of those beliefs might have a negative consequence and some might not have a negative consequence on our soul. It just depends on what actions we took that became unloving as a result and the different feelings that we had as a result.

So God gave us free will, we can test this. Exercise your free will, and this is a very logical thing to do. Does God punish a negative exercise of your free will? You all know the answer. How do you know the answer? Because you've experimented with this in your own life and no fire came down out of heaven and punished you when you did something that you knew to be wrong. Sometimes you were waiting for it, and you were fearfully anticipating God's wrath, and you went, "Ah, it didn't happen." And then because we think it didn't happen, we go and do the next thing wrong and the next thing wrong because the truth is that God is not punishing every deed like that. That's the truth, but there is a belief in the Christian faith that they're building up to the day of judgement when all of those deeds that have gone unpunished will now be punished. Now does that make much logical sense to you either? [01:26:53.15]

Does it make logical sense to you that something would be punished when the deed was fifty years ago? Imagine doing this with your own child. Let's say you're prone to giving your children a smack every time they do something wrong. Your child does something wrong and then seven years later you decide now's the time to give them a smack. So you give them a smack and they say, "What's that for?" "That was for what you did seven years ago." Does that really help the child be corrected or change? Does that sound logical to you? But that's what Christians are suggesting God does, exactly the same thing as that.

What I'm suggesting is that there is a consequence on the soul that is immediate. But it is not a physical consequence; it's a consequence in the soul's pain. When the soul experiences pain, it's the result of an action that was taken that was out of harmony with love. And when the soul experiences pleasure, it can be the result of the soul experiencing something that is harmonious with love. I say "can be" because it can also be the soul experiencing an addiction and enjoying itself in the process, but I put to you that at the soul level, that's not really a feeling of joy.

God gave the gift of free will and God has this system in place, and it is a very intelligent system if you think about it. We can look at the things God does and analyse it a bit through intelligence, can't we? Does it make sense for God to punish somebody fifty years after they did the deed? Would you do it? No, most of us want to punish the person immediately, do we not? So if God was the rageful God that He's portrayed to be, surely He should be punishing immediately, too. Surely that would make sense.

So again, these statements of the world's definition of what God is or what God does are very limited, and they cause us to be more uncertain about the truth. This is the problem with a lot of the presentations of the holy books.

The World's Definition of God: Part 2

6. AJ addresses the audience's resistance to the discussion

Something that all of you would have noticed in our previous session was that when we were talking about emotions, everyone was quite alert, quite awake, not very shut down at all, pretty open, everyone was listening quite intently. As soon as we started talking about this particular subject, the world's definition of God, all of a sudden many of you became very shut down. Quite a number of you fell asleep and many of you were fighting off tiredness. I want to address that before we begin the second half, otherwise you'll all be asleep by the time I'm finished. (Laughs)

There are a lot of Christian spirits who are with us today who are in quite a lot of anger about what I'm saying. Many of you, when you have anger projected at you, just want to shut down, you just want to go away. The key is to be open rather than shutting down.

I'll just say this for the spirits' benefit: My suggestion is if you have issues with what I'm saying to the group today, instead of unlovingly oppressing the group with anger and rage, the better thing for you spirits to do would be to come along and talk to me. I'm the person who's saying all these things. Come and talk to me about how angry and upset you feel about what I'm saying. We can talk about that Thursday when we've got some mediumship organised, rather than your dumping your anger and rage on the group that's present.

Many of the Christian spirits are still awaiting the day of judgement. They still have very strong beliefs in the spirit world that are causing them to remain in the first dimension of the spirit world, and some of them are even in the hells of the spirit world. Many of them are still awaiting the time that Jesus comes and they feel I cannot be Jesus because I haven't come in the manner they've expected, where I would come and bring them as my angels back to Earth and go through this process that they believe will occur. Now obviously this will never occur, and my stating that is causing them to feel quite a lot of anger and rage. My also stating that the Bible's definition of God is incorrect is quite confronting for them because it puts into question whether the Bible is God's Word or not, and many of them have believed they have been following the Bible.

The condition of darkness they're in is not a reflection of whether they've followed the Bible or not but rather a reflection of whether they had love in their souls or not. Their condition of love is determining their current condition, not how much they do or don't believe the truth. Unfortunately for many of them, they think that all they needed to do was believe the truth and it didn't matter how loving they were. But it does matter how loving you are, and if you look at the Bible's words, some of my words in the first century, you will see I was constantly referring to how loving a person was and how important it was for their future. So that's something for them to bear in mind. I just wanted to say that in order to help alleviate some of the pressure many of you feel to go to sleep this afternoon, and I'm also trusting that it's not because the subject matter is boring. (Laughter) [00:04:07.25]

Many of you have the idea that you already know what God is, so the subject matter sometimes feels a little like we're revising something. However, I put to you one basic truth: If you know what God is, then you would already be at-one with God. It's an interesting way of looking at it, isn't it? If you really know what God is, you would now, right at this moment, be at-one with God.

The reality is that all of us here are not yet at-one with God; therefore, we do not know what God is. This is why it's essential to cover the subject, because otherwise we will never see why we don't know what God is. Can you see already that two of the primary reasons we don't know what God are because we're imposing our emotions towards our parents towards God, and we're also imposing the world's belief systems towards God, which limits us?

7. The importance of understanding God

Intellectually, you and I can reason to the end of time about God and you still won't know what God is unless you can feel God's Love entering you. It is God's Love entering you that allows you to understand God. God's Love is the thing that opens your soul into having a capacity to understand God, as well as to understand yourself and understand the universe. Those are the subsequent side benefits of understanding God. That's why I used the words in the first century, "If you seek first God's Love, all these other things will be added to you." You see, once you can understand more about God, you will automatically understand more about everything else. Understanding God is the most difficult in the sense that it is an infinite process of coming to understand God and it's the most complex process. [00:06:57.00].

For everything I've personally discovered in the last 2,000 years, there's always been a feeling in me that if you can understand God, you can understand everything else. Do you understand that intellectually? If you can understand God, you can get everything else. You can investigate everything else and still not understand God, but the more you can understand God, the more knowledge of everything else automatically comes to you as a result of your understanding of God. Because the different complexities of understanding God – if I can use that term, but it's not the right term and that's why I was sort of fumbling with the word, but I can't find another English word to describe what I'm trying to say – the different complexities involved in understanding God help you understand the rest of the universe. What's the word do you think, babe?

Mary: It's because once you understand God's Nature and the way God's Love governs everything else in the universe, it's very easy to interface with anything else in the universe because you see God's Logic in it. Is that what you're trying to say?

Sort of but it's not really the full extent of what I'm trying to say.

Mary: It's not? I agree. I don't know how to say it either.

I don't know if anyone will get what I'm trying to say anyway, so I might give that up. (Laughs) Sorry, but I think all of you get the underlying gist.

8. God and the universe

If you imagine the universe is ever expanding; we are in a galaxy, in a little solar system, on a little planet. It has been proven, of course, that the universe is ever expanding; it is expanding outwards, travelling outwards above light speeds generally.

We are a tiny part of a galaxy within the expanding universe

Now if God were a part of the universe, then if this universe did not exist, that would mean that God did not exist, and I put to you that that is illogical. For example, when you create a car, you exist before the creation of the car and you can jump in the car or get out of the car, the car is a separate thing to you. The universe is the same as that. In other words, the universe is a creation of God and not God Herself. That being the case, God exists even when the universe does not exist. God continues to exist. And it's through a process that man is starting to understand the beginnings of investigation that God created the universe and then things started to be created within the universe itself, inside of this system if you like.

That being the case, God has to be not a part of that system, in the sense that God existed before that system got created. A lot of scientists are coming up with the idea through scientific proof that we are all joined together, even sub-atomically. While that is true, that does not mean we are all the same entity, and it does not mean God is joined with us in the same manner. It's an illogical extension to believe so because before this universe existed, God existed, so God must be larger and different than the universe itself.

We're looking at the physical universe, but there also is the spiritual universe that you cannot see at this point in time, but which also is ever expanding. Every time a new dimension is created through a jump in love, there is a whole new universe created as well. And God existed before the creation of that universe as well. So while that universe is a part of God's Energy, in other words God's Energy is flowing through and into that universe, it does not mean that God is that universe and it does not mean that we are God. They are two illogical extensions of what we observe.

8.1. Reasons for resistance to logic

Now what I'm feeling a lot of times when I talk about logic is there is a struggle in many of you with the logical extensions. If you can just consider for a moment that that is because of different emotions you have from your childhood about logic.

Many of us have blocks to logic and are blocked to mathematics and science. A lot of those blocks to logic, mathematics and science are related to emotions related to your parents and particularly your fathers. But they're also related to the blocks regarding learning and how much you've been made fun of when you were learning, how much you've been humiliated and punished when you were learning. These different emotional injuries that are gathered through our lifetime causes us to be very shut down emotionally towards aspects of learning.

When you release all of this emotional damage, you are now completely open to all aspects of learning. So those of you who are not very attracted to mathematics will find yourself becoming more so, just as those who are not very attracted to music will find yourself becoming more so, and so forth. As we release the blockages within our soul, our soul is able to absorb information from the universe and absorb all of the information that's available rather than a limited type of information that's available.

If you can remember that with these concepts that we are God and that God's Energy flows through us, while some of these concepts, like that God's Energy flows through us, are true, that doesn't make us God because there could be a transfer mechanism that allows energy to flow from God to us. We could still be two separate individuals, two separate entities. So when we make a statement that God's Energy flows through us, it's not a logical extension then to believe that I am God or God is me.

9. Divine Truth is infinite

This is where we as mankind have got to be really careful. This is what religion has done; they've looked at one thing, then they've made some statements that they've then turned into dogma, into what they believe to be truth. We have to be very careful doing this in our progression; this is not the way to truth.

Remember truth is an ever expanding and universal expansion process; what I am saying to you now will need to be revised. Not may need to be revised, will need to be revised. It is the level of truth we know at this point in time, and there is going to be a growth in truth. We need to get used to this idea, we need to get used to the idea that none of us can actually say dogmatically this is the direct truth about this particular thing without there being more knowledge available.

Now there are many subjects that we, during our last 2,000 years, and spirits in the spirit world have exhaustively experimented with and feel a very high degree of certainty about. One of those is the reception of Divine Love. There is literal proof that this is the truth in many billions of spirits that Divine Love is available to all humanity and through a process, the process of becoming born again, that proof is available. As soon as one person did it, then there was proof available.

This is what we need to bear in mind with all of our discoveries of truth. With every discovery of truth that has ever occurred on the planet or in the spirit world, there was always a person who first discovered it, and once that person discovered it, it can be established as truth to the degree that we understand it. That's what we need to bear in mind with all truth. Creating a book that is said to be the whole of God's Truth, nothing but the truth and nothing can be added or taken away from it, is actually precluding the discovery of additional truth. What it's trying to do is fit a universal and infinite cosmos into a book and limit it, which is a physical impossibility.

This is something we need to bear in mind in our own progression and this is why we need to be open to our connection to God. It is our connection to God that is going to help us get more and more knowledge, more and more wisdom, more and more understanding, and more important than all of these, more love.

If we can bear that in mind when we're analysing these things, it will help us a lot. Also if the spirits with us can bear that in mind, too – that logically, the universal cosmos is infinite in nature and therefore God must be even more so and cannot fit into a limited 1,000 or 2,000 page book. We can't expect it to, and if you expect it to, you are already out of harmony with the development of more truth within your own life. You are limiting yourself straight away.

10. The importance of examining the world's definition of God

Let's look at some other things about God. Remember it's the world's definition of God that is right at this moment defining your relationship with God. That's why we're going through this. Your relationship with God is being controlled by any unhealed emotions and any unhealed beliefs you have inside of yourself about God. These unhealed emotions and unhealed beliefs within yourself about God came from the world you lived in and from the parents you grew up with.

Now your parents can be atheist and you still will have beliefs about God that are erroneous. They could be agnostics and you could still have beliefs about God that are erroneous inside of your soul. At some point connecting with God will confront those errors.

11. Different teachings about God's Location and Nature

Let's look at some of the beliefs about God. 1: Timothy 6: verses 15 and 16, says this,

"God the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, who no-one has seen or can see, to Him be the honour and might forever." [00:19:27.03]

So what is this saying about God? That God is the universal ruler, that God is immortal, and that God lives in a place where nobody else could actually survive in. I believe most of those things – that God lives in a place where I personally could not survive in right now and therefore lives in a place of far higher love than what I personally have received. So here's one scripture that says God is a loving ruler of creation; then there's this other scripture, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 that says,

"God will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of God."

On one hand we've got this God who is the blessed, loving Ruler of creation, and on the other hand this blessed, loving Ruler of creation murders people as well. Now logically does that make much sense? It's quite confused, isn't it? Can we see the confusion between those two verses? By the way, they are both in the New Testament of the Bible, not in the old, and are actually only two books apart; they're just a few pages apart, yet they are totally different, contradictory statements about God.

11.1. World views about God being punishing

So what does the average Church person do with this? They say, "Ah, well, that's not a contradiction about God. God is a Ruler and God will punish the wicked. That's what we've got to accept." The only reason you would have a tendency to accept that is because you're angry with people and you want them punished. Is that not true? Recently a group of Christian spirits came to us wanting people to be punished. They're waiting for the day of judgement because they want all the people who harmed them punished. They feel that if that doesn't happen, they'll miss out on this beautiful feeling of having all the people who harmed them punished.

I know my own father feels very similar to this. He feels that he is a peaceable man; he would never go to war. At one stage before he was religious he was in the army reserves, but he got out of the army, and now he would never go to war. Someone could put a gun to his head and say go to war and he would let himself be shot instead of going to war; that's my father. He would classify himself to be a peaceful man. But when I talk to him about God not being a God of wrath, or a God of punishment, he became enraged with me because he wants God to punish all the people that he wasn't allowed to punish. You see? [00:22:50.20]

Participant: AJ, I have not worked through my father stuff, and I assume then that I am wanting to punish him.

Wanting to punish your Dad? Yeah.

Participant: Yeah, because of what he did. Logically I'd say I don't believe in a punishing God. Is that really denying the fact that I probably see God as a punishing God?

Well, do you want your father to be punished?

Participant: If you ask me logically, I'd say no.

What's the feeling? Be honest with the feeling.

Participant: Yes.

Yeah, okay. Who's going to do the punishing if you're not going to do it?

Participant: God.

Someone has to. (Laughs) So we're really expecting God to carry out acts of violence towards others. In fact, we want God to do it so that we don't have to do it. This emotion is in very many of us – we actually prefer to see somebody punish all the people that have hurt us in our life. We can't do it ourselves because we know that would be wrong, so we want God to do it. Now if we can't do it because we know if would be wrong, then surely it would also be wrong for God to do it. That makes sense logically, but we don't think that way because we want God to do it. We impose this emotion of wanting the punishment of others upon God. So we say, "Yeah, it's not up to us to punish others, instead we're going to wait for God to punish others," and in fact there's a verse in the Bible that actually says that, which I'll read to you a bit later, that is waiting for God to punish others.

Participant: I've been around a few religions recently and a lot of Christians have said they felt that a spirit or God prompted them to talk to me about certain things. But with a lot of what you're explaining today, for a lot of those prompts, it seems like God's prompting them to save them from God.

Exactly. Does it sound like God would be doing that?

Participant: Yeah, it's like God chasing his tail, sort of thing.

So who's prompting them?

Participant: Spirits, obviously.

Spirits who are also in the same belief system in the spirit world, and who want to confront you somehow. This is why you often receive anger-based emotions from Christians. Not all Christians are like that. There are some Christians who are very open, very loving, very considerate of others, not judgemental or condemnatory, but unfortunately there is also another group who are very unloving, very angry, very rageful, very condemnatory, very judgemental and attacking. And one of the reasons they are is because they are quite often over-cloaked by spirits in the spirit world who are Christians and who have the same judgemental emotions, the kinds of emotions that were present during the inquisition, for example, where they felt that they could oppress others through rage and anger and violence. [00:26:10.11]

11.2. Do God's Laws punish?

Participant: AJ, I just wanted to ask, I don't want to think God punishes, but what about God's Laws?

Well, isn't that just an extension of God? Do God's Laws punish? Let's ask that question.

Participant: Do I think they punish? No, I don't think God's Laws punish, but I think that if we break God's Laws there's are consequences.

There is a consequence, but is that a punishment? Is a consequence the punishment?

Participant: Yes.

I'd argue no. The reason I'd argue no is the consequence is the direct result of the breaking of the law. It's not a punishment; it's just a direct result. Would you say if a person fell off a roof and broke their arm when they hit the ground that was God's punishment for standing on the roof?

Participant: No.

Would you say it was God's punishment for falling off the roof?

Participant: No, I wouldn't.

So what would you say it was then?

Participant: I'd say it was their Law of Attraction.

So in other words, they're to blame for breaking their arm?

Participant: I guess the consequence is theirs because it's their Law of Attraction.

Yeah.

Participant: But am I fooling myself by pretending to say that, when really I'm still wanting punishment?

Yeah, I feel we've got to be very careful because we have a lot of these Christian beliefs. These are multigenerational beliefs, and even though many of us now are not Christian, we have many Christian beliefs going on inside of our soul still that we are basically imposing on our life. The reality is God sets up laws for the protection and love of people.

11.2.1. An example of gravity and aerodynamics

The reason why we have the Law of Gravity is quite simple. What is it? What is the law of gravity for? [00:28:16.05]

Participant: It sticks you to the Earth.

It sticks you to the Earth, yeah. That's pretty handy, hey? Because what would happen if you flew off the Earth? Eventually you'd get into a rare atmosphere where you'd be gasping for breath. Ask anybody who goes to Mount Everest, just 29,000 feet above sea level, how they feel trying to breathe in that atmosphere. After a while it's painful and exhausting and they often spend very little time in that area without oxygen. Go up another 50,000 feet, now you are getting to get on the edges of our metosphere, or whatever it is called. Try breathing there. What happens there? No air at all. What happens when you're asphyxiated? You die.

So God's Law of Gravity is a loving law to keep you on the ground so that you don't fly off into space. You imagine coming out of the womb and then flying off into space – a very short existence without clarity. I know that puts some pretty funny images into your mind. But that's the law of gravity. The Law of Gravity is a law which consequences are loving. See, this is where we don't understand; the consequences are loving. It's only when we break the law in a manner that we do not understand that the consequence becomes painful. [00:30:04.10]

Now if we have the Law of Aerodynamics on my side, we're not breaking the law of gravity. The Law of Gravity is still in play, but we have found another law that operates on a higher level than the Law of Gravity that enables us to fly. It enables birds and other creatures to fly, of course. It enables us to fly because we understand the law, and that law is also loving.

11.2.2. Laws that operate on the human soul

Participant: What about the Law of Compensation?

That's also a very loving law because without compensation for things that have been done that have been unloving, there would be no correction on the soul that did the unloving act and so the soul would never get into a happier state. So the Law of Compensation is another loving law.

One thing we need to understand about God is that all God's Laws are loving. If all God's Laws are loving, none of them are for punishment purposes; they're all for a loving purpose, every single one of them. We just need to understand its purpose and what it's there for. None of us condemn the Law of Gravity as being an unloving law. We don't ask, "Why did God create that? What's the problem with God? Unloving God, making this gravity thing." None of us complain about that, but as soon as we start talking about the spiritual laws, now we all start complaining. But they have exactly the same operation in that they are all loving, they all have a loving consequence.

There is a class of God's Laws that operate upon my soul. When I break one of those laws, there is a consequence upon my soul, the purpose of which is to help me work through what in my soul caused me to want to break that law. It's a bit like standing on the edge of a ten-story high building and feeling the urge to step off. Now most of us would call that crazy if I didn't have a wing of some kind attached to my back. We call that suicide, yet when it applies to God's other Laws, the spiritual laws, we don't call that spiritual suicide; we call that God trying to control us.

There need to be laws in place, otherwise there would be anarchy. The law is in place and I have the choice inside of me to either break it or not break it. Now sometimes I might break it inadvertently without there being a reason for myself. In other words, I'm standing on the top of the building looking over and then somebody comes along and gives me a push. I haven't chosen to break the law, but the consequence will be similar at the physical level. I'll probably die when I hit the ground either way, whether I jumped or was pushed. Either way I don't condemn the law. I made the mistake or the person who tried to murder me made the mistake. [00:33:55.03]

We're still not condemning the law. We are not saying the law is unfair. We're saying there is a consequence to the breaking of it. Assume that every one of God's Laws must be loving, then you can also allow the fact that, yes, there will be a consequence on my soul.

If I break a Law of Gravity there is a consequence on my body. You can see that the consequences are not based around a punishing system, but rather a correctional system. If we stand on the edge of a roof and we fall off and hit the ground and break our arm, the next time we're on the roof we're going to be a lot more careful about what we do. Unless we have another law at our side, such as the Law of Aerodynamics –there are other laws, too, such as laws of anti-gravitational pull, scientific laws that we haven't even discovered yet that could help us avoid these situations, but we don't know how to use them yet; so understand that we have limitations at the moment - we're pulled down by the Law of Gravity so we're kept on the Earth. That's a loving thing, not an unloving thing; otherwise we'd be dead within moments of arrival. So we're in a loving environment that God has created for the nurturing of our soul, but there are systems in place that will correct us if we try to break the loving environment. If we look at every single law like that, we'll have a large degree of understanding about God as a result. [00:35:27.17]

11.2.3. God's Laws are designed to teach us how to love

Mary: The way I feel is God has geared the whole universe for us to learn love. So it doesn't even feel like a correction to me. It's a consequence that gives me an opportunity to learn love.

Yeah.

Mary: And that's very different from punishment. Like if I'm with a child and they do something that harms their soul, I can help them see the consequence so that they can learn love, or I can whack them, which is a punishment and doesn't help them learn anything.

Yes, and God doesn't take that second action.

Mary: No, never. We talked about that when we were in Armadale with the group about the Law of Attraction being a very loving law. It's not just, "Oh something happened to you, it's your fault, it's your Law of Attraction." There's a talk in Melbourne where you talk about that really beautifully if people want to look at that – the different elements involved in one event, in terms of the Law of Attraction and how it's loving to every person involved.

To every single person involved, yes.

Mary: But I do feel it's a Christian hangover to go, "That's your Law of Attraction."

And this is what I'm getting at. Because of the world's definition of love, which has now entered us, and the world's definition of God that has now entered us, we believe that God is not a God of love but a God of punishment. This is directly what the Bible is saying. It's saying to you God is a God of love and a God of punishment at the same time, and I'm saying to you that such a thing is not possible. He's either one or the other, not both. He either is a God of love or He is a God of punishment, one or the other. The Bible itself says that He's both and there's then the implication that I can be both – that I can be a person of punishment and a person of love at the same time. And I suggest to you that that's also not possible, exactly the same limitation. [00:37:27.26]

Love is the defining factor of all of God's Laws. The trouble is our definition of God is based around a God of punishment, not a God of love. Most of us even have the inflection in our own souls even after we've learned the truth, we still have the feeling inside of us that we're being punished with God's Law of Attraction, for example, operating upon our soul. We feel like we're being punished rather than being corrected, rather than learning about love and learning about why we just broke a law of love. We feel we're being punished instead. We feel it's unjust most of the time, don't we?

11.2.4. An example of getting an illness

For instance, how many times do we refer to an illness and think of it as an unjust illness? Pretty much all the time, don't we? And how many times do you hear of a person with an illness and everybody wants to pray for them? Why is that? Why does everybody want to pray for them? Now I'm all for praying for them, but not to pray to alleviate their illness. Can you see why?

Participant: It is taking away the consequence, the lesson they need to learn about love.

Yeah, we're taking away the consequence of something that's gone on inside of their soul that's been unloving to themselves that has caused the particular illness. So we're taking away their consequence. We're asking God to take away the consequence without dealing with its cause. Now God's going to go, "I'm sorry, but I created this relationship because of a loving rule, how can I then do what you ask? I can only do what you ask if the person decides to see the unloving rule being broken. That's the only way in fact that the proper healing can take place." We feel that sickness is punishment. This is why we have so much judgement about someone getting sick. Historically whenever you got sick, people would say that it was God's Wrath upon you, and a lot of us still feel that it is. And it's not. This is why we even have so much judgement about our own sicknesses; we feel it's somehow God's Wrath. It is not. [00:40:18.05]

Participant: I'm just wondering if you can heal a child without the parents wanting to look at any of their emotions?

Certainly you can. The child has free will, so of course you can heal the child, but it doesn't mean that the child isn't going to reabsorb the same emotional condition that caused its illness. So the healing might be temporary rather than permanent, depending on what the child absorbs after that period of time.

12. Changing false belief systems

Participant: This is a question from spirits from the other side who don't know whether they've experienced love or not. Their question is how do they unbelieve? How do they break down the web that they're in that they've believed? The question is how do they unbelieve?

Yeah, I get the question. Well, the first thing is that if they question whether they've ever received love or not, then they've probably never received love. The second thing is how do you unbelieve? This is the difficulty that we face. The difficulty we face is that every belief that enters us that's false enters us through an emotional process. It enters us connected to some emotion or belief, associated usually with our environment and particularly with our parents.

To unbelieve something means to give up the emotional connection between the belief and our desire to have it remain. That is a difficult process for many. That's why many will actually go to war rather than do that because it can be such a painful process. To unbelieve we have to learn to experience our own pain, rather than perpetrate pain onto others. That's what is going to be required of every single false belief that's in the universe – a process of allowing yourself to feel the pain of the belief within you and release it from you, without perpetrating its pain upon others.

13. Different teachings about God's Mercy and Wrath

The Bible says in Luke chapter 6, and verse 35 and 36 that God is a God of mercy and understanding. I've quoted this verse a number of times previously because it's one of my favourite sayings. It says,

"But love your enemies and do good to them and lend to them without expecting to get anything back."

This is to your enemies; these are my words to the Jews.

_"Then your reward will be great and you'll be sons of the most high, because He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful just as your Father is merciful."_ [00:43:18.05]

Now that is a loving person, being kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. Kindness to the ungrateful and wicked is love. That certainly follows, doesn't it? So that's one description of God. Here's another in Deuteronomy, chapter 13. I'll read a few of these verses. This is the same God we're talking about now. It says,

"If you hear it is said about one of the towns, the Lord your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have risen among you and have led the people of their own town astray saying, 'Let us go and worship other gods, gods you have not known,' then you must enquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly and if it is true and it's been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town.

"Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all of its plunder as a whole burned offering to your Lord, your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. None of those condemned things shall be found in your hands, so that the Lord will turn from His fierce anger and He will show you mercy and will have compassion on you and increase your numbers, as He promised in an oath to your forefathers, because you obey the Lord your God, keeping all of his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes."

In the Second World War, when the Nazis did that to a town, what did we do? We created a trial system called the Nuremberg trials, isn't that the name? We created a trial system to find every one of those people and we called their actions war crimes by people who were criminals against humanity. Yet the Bible actually says to do exactly the same thing. How do you feel about that? On one hand there are my words talking about God and His real qualities; on the other hand in the same Bible, which by the way a Christian would say is all of God's Words, we get this God who's willing to completely eradicate from existence not only the people in the town but all the animals in the town, all the livestock in the town, everything in order to please his own vanity just because they don't worship him. That's the only reason. Isn't that vanity?

Doesn't that sound like some people in some governments we've seen in the last couple hundred years? Vanity wanting everybody to agree with them, and as soon as someone does not, he dies. We condemn that in humans and yet it's acceptable for God. I put to you that it's not acceptable for God, and this is just another false thing that's in the Bible about God. The problem I see with trusting a book that has so many false things about God is that when you start presenting arguments with the book, you are already basing your arguments on false premises. To me, that's not a very logical thing to do. Why would you want to do that?

By the way I'm singling out the Bible, but the Quran says almost identical things – to kill, to pillage, to completely eradicate certain people with certain beliefs from your society, something that no self-respecting Muslim with a conscience would want to do. I can quote some of those verses in the Quran if you want; I've written them down.

14. Different teachings about God's Perfect Creations

Here are some comments that Paul made about God in Romans 11.

"The depth of the riches of wisdom and knowledge of God, how unsearchable His judgements and His paths beyond tracing out. Who has known the mind of the Lord? Who has been his councillor? Who has ever given to God that God should repay him? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to Him be the glory forever."

Now they are very beautiful words, which I feel are all true. There is another one that my friend John wrote, through inspiration, 1st John 3:20,

"God is greater than our hearts and he knows everything."

I also agree with that. It's basically saying that God is greater than everything, knows all things, is perfect in all of His ways. It's saying that God never makes a mistake, never feels bad, God is greater than our hearts, and all of that is true. And then it says,

_"So the Lord said, 'I will wipe out mankind whom I have created from the face of the Earth, men and animals and creatures that move along the ground and birds of the air for I am grieved that I made them.'"_ [00:50:33.12]

Audience: Sigh.

Sigh. (Laughter) That's a pretty heavy emotion that God has, isn't it? Being grieved that he actually created. Now if God is omniscient and all powerful as the religions claim, and as I personally agree with, then this has to be a false verse because there is no way that God would be grieved about His creations when all of His creations are perfect. Why would He be aggrieved at a creation? He would feel no grief, because He would have known and even foreknown that many of the men might turn out to be wicked before He even created them. He would have known that by giving them the gift of free will, realising the possibility that free will could be used negatively and therefore cause wickedness and evil. Wouldn't He have known that? So how could He then be grieved that they become that way and then want to wipe them out, which is another act of evil, in order to correct it? Yet that is often quoted as the reason.

By the way, the context of that is the flood of Noah's day. The reason for the flood of Noah's day, according to the Bible, was that God felt sorry and grieved that He had created mankind and He decided to not only kill mankind but to wipe off the face of the Earth animals and creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air, everything. Now doesn't that sound like a person just in a bit of a rage? (Laughter) Yeah, certainly does.

I think there's another verse here I wanted to read, Genesis 8 verse 21, it says this,

"The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma of a sacrifice that Noah had made of some clean animals and clean birds."

These are what Noah sacrificed to God, which by the way were already God's, so I don't know why you have to sacrifice something that is already owned and provided by God. It doesn't make much sense, anyway, but let's go with it.

"Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood onwards."

God created you with every inclination of your heart evil from childhood onwards. What chance do you have? You might as well just give up now as far as I can say if that's the truth. [00:53:22.12]

Mary: Channel 7's going to have a field day, baby. (Laughter)

That doesn't worry me. Let's put it in context. I know that this presentation is going to get taken way out of context. (Laughter) And that's the way it goes, but all I'm doing is presenting some truth, that's all. The reality is that if God felt that making mankind was a mistake then He only needs to look at himself for making the mistake. (Laughter) He's the creator. It's like you creating a car and you realise, "Oh, wow, I forgot two wheels. That must be somebody else's problem; I'm going to now burn the car and start again." Does that sound logical to you? Of course it isn't logical and it certainly not what an intelligent, universally intelligent being would do. Is it? (Laughs)

15. Emotional injuries impair our ability to identify illogical teachings about God

Participant: I haven't had any upbringing in the churches or anything like that, but how does an intelligent thinking minister stand in front of a group who have studied the Bible all their life and are so passionate, how do they intellectually jump over these massive contradictions and still stand there and say, with the absolute passion and sincerity of their heart, "This is the truth"? How do they do that?

Well, it's interesting you asked the question, Peter, because I was an intelligent, thinking minister (Laughter) who actually did believe all of these things, and that's one of the experiences I put myself through in this life, embarrassingly so. The reality is childhood emotions play a much bigger part on everything you accept than you can imagine. Belief systems and acceptable belief systems are easy to overlook because of different emotions that you feel.

So for example, I believed, through my emotional injuries from my parents, exactly the same as my father: While it was right for me to be a pacifist, God was going to do my punishing for me. So for every person who treated me badly, God would deal with them at some point in the future and that was my safety. That was my solace. [00:56:22.05]

This is the problem; many of the people teaching these things are sincere, I'm not questioning their sincerity, but I am questioning the fact that they are not thinking or feeling with clarity. There is no logic in their thinking or feeling, which tends to suggest to me that they still have emotions that come from an unloving environment in their own life that cause them to assimilate these belief systems.

15.1. Barriers in our souls to truth and error

Now if we can describe it like this: This is your soul, your soul has a pristine structure, and you've got sort of like a shell around the outside of your soul that's based upon love. In other words, anything that enters your soul has to be loving before it can enter it. This is the way God originally created us, and it is the way that every child who is conceived first enters this physical universe. If that's the way it is, if any untruth comes towards that soul, what will happen to it? It will just bounce off and have no effect whatsoever. It won't enter that soul.

Love creates a barrier preventing untruths from entering our soul

Remember the problem we have when we first come to the Earth is that we have no conscious way of determining this love, and it feels bad, but we have no conscious way of determining the difference. Consciousness grows over a period of time, so therefore right at the time of conception, because of the undeveloped mind and the undeveloped logic that is in that child, there is no way of logically determining or separating untruth from truth aside from the feeling of it entering you. There's no other way of determining.

So what happens is that over periods of time, the love barrier, if you like, get's broken down through this process of assimilation of the environment, assimilating the world's definition of God, the world's definition of love and so forth. Now we now have a lot of fear, which is the barrier to our soul. Now what can enter us? A false belief comes along that is based upon fear and where does it go? Straight in, without resistance. Now we have a false belief that was allowed to enter our soul through the fear that is now a part of our soul.

Fear within our soul allows false beliefs to enter it

This is why I said yesterday that you cannot become at-one with God without actually feeling through your terror and your fear, because it's your terror and your fear that prevent all true beliefs from entering you. [00:59:13.10]

Fear is also a barrier to love. So when love tries to enter you, what happens? It bounces off. When truth tries to enter you, it bounces off.

Fear creates a barrier around our soul and love cannot enter

This is the case for every single person on the planet whether they are religious or not. These emotional concepts that were created through generations past begin to enter us as soon as we're conceived. They're initially painful perhaps, but they begin to grow within us because the fear just grows. We absorb the fear of our environment and in absorbing the fear of our environment we are automatically absorbing every single untruthful teaching of our environment as well. Automatically, it's like there is no resistance.

So now when I'm an adult, I get out a book like the Bible and I read concepts in the book, none of which don't appeal to me because my fear has dictated what my soul is now open to receiving. I read some words and I go, "Yes, I want God to come and punish the wicked. I'm not going to punish them because I'm a good person (Laughs) but I want God to do it for me. It's God's right. I believe God is the Creator, God has the will to take away life, give life, whatever." We don't question whether it's loving or not.

Participant: So is it like the seeds of those beliefs have already been planted and the environment just causes them to grow up?

Exactly. Because we now have this openness due to the fear that has now entered our soul from our parents most probably, and also from our environment, we are predisposed to accepting fear-based teachings. We are also predisposed to rejecting love-based teachings.

Participant: But it must also be to filter out anything that doesn't line up with our preconceived ideas.

That's correct.

Participant: Which is all of those things you've been reading out. All those statements, they just jump over those and say, "Oh I'll skip that."

That's correct. What happened in my own life is I had to go through experiences that confronted me fully, emotionally, allowing me to see that, "Hang on a second; my boys don't even talk to me."

15.2. AJ's personal experiences of identifying untruths taught about God

At one point both my sons didn't even speak to me, and I didn't feel like punishing them. Now if I don't feel like punishing my own sons who wouldn't speak to me during that period of time, then surely God wouldn't punish me if I didn't speak to him. Then I started realising that my concept of love has been totally distorted by my environment. What I believed love to be is totally not what love is, and in fact I am actually more loving than what I believe God to be, which is just a totally crazy concept because love came from God for me to have it. So I'm actually believing that I'm more loving than God. This is the reason why a lot of people are atheists. [00:02:35.25]

A lot of people are so-called infidels because they look at the religious viewpoint of God and they go, "Wow, if that's God, I don't want to know that God." Would you? No you wouldn't, but the problem is we do want to know that God, the God that's punishing and destroying, because we've already got this fear-based predisposition in our soul that we've absorbed from the environment that allows us to believe that concept of God, rather than the true concept of God.

Participant: So how long did it take you to unlearn all that crap?

In terms of my concept of God, it took seven years for me in this life to unlearn all of that through a lot of personal experiences where I had to do a fair bit of grieving. In particular it was my relationship with my sons that helped me work through a lot of it in the sense that I started to see that I wouldn't treat my sons that way, so why would God treat me that way? I actually at one point in my life felt that God condemned me completely. That was the point in my life where if I had died, there would have been nobody at my funeral. I might have actually rotted away in my house because nobody would have found me. It would only be not paying the rent, which I used to pay three months in advance... so there wouldn't have been anybody who would have found me.

Participant: Someone would have smelt you.

Yeah, somebody would have smelt me. (Laughter) During that time, I realised that a lot of my concepts of God that I had accepted was because of openness to fear, even though I always had a reasoning mind. I had this openness to false beliefs because of the fear that was in me, and as I released the fear more and more, I found that I could no longer accept those false beliefs. As a result, through this emotional process those false beliefs left me.

In the first century I didn't have to go through that process. It was a much more simple process and one that I hope one day almost everyone on the planet will go through, which will be a very gentle and simple process. But unfortunately in this day and age, how we're living, it's a very hard process because we have so much fear in us, and the fear predisposes us to false beliefs.

This is how a book can be written and compiled and accepted as God's Word, even though it's clear that it is not talking about the God that we know. It's not talking about the real Creator, who obviously created loving systems for us to live in. If you look at everything that God has done, it's all pretty pristine. When man comes and touches it, then it gets damaged. And it's really the same with our soul – it was pristine before man touched it. As man touched it, it got firstly into the emotion of self-reliance and then gathered momentum from there. Every soul thereafter got touched or branded with that same brand, if you like, of fear. And that brand of fear has enabled false religious concepts to be perpetrated as God's truth with the acceptance of billions of people.

Currently it is claimed, and not necessarily truthfully, that there are about one and a half billion Christians on the planet and something billion Muslims on the planet. These two religions believe in a holy book that they believe is God's Word, and yet the concepts of God inside of those books are completely flawed. Therefore, they cannot be God's Word; they have to be the word of men portrayed as God's Word. And why would men do that? I can see only one motive and that is control. Unfortunately we have a predisposition to these false beliefs and I am not exempt from this predisposition. I had the same predisposition as you, the same predisposition. In fact many of you have less of a predisposition than I had to accepting these false beliefs.

15.3. Receiving God's Love with false beliefs about God

Participant: How is it then that the people who go along to the Churches and speak in tongues and do all the praying and are part of that system, how is it that they still manage to receive God's Divine Love when they're so off the track in their belief system?

Well, they manage to do that because sometimes they connect to love and sometimes they don't. Eventually they get to a point where they stagnate. It's a bit like whenever you have a sincere, earnest, longing for love, you will receive it no matter what denomination you are, what religion you are, what background you come from, what politics you have. None of that matters, it only matters that you have a sincere, open longing for God's Love – then it will enter you. It's not based on your religion. That's why many people from many different religions have received the same, but talking in tongues is not proof of receiving God. Talking in tongues is about talking with spirits or having spirits talking through you, and that's a completely different process. That's just being totally open to spirit influence, which many of you here are, in the same manner that many people in a Pentecostal Church are. And that's not the same thing. However, we can all receive love when we're in any walk of life, but that doesn't prove that the walk of life we're living is completely the truth. It only proves that in that moment we have a sincere longing for God, that's all it proves.

Mary: Many of our belief systems are still really up the creek as well, and yet we have received love.

Receiving Divine Love is a gradual process. You don't have to clear away all of your false beliefs to receive love; eventually you will, but you don't have to initially. God's not saying, "You all have to be perfect and then I'll give you my love." That's not how it works, that's one of our false beliefs again. That's our false belief that it's only when we're perfect that we get approval, it's only when we're perfect that we get love. Where did we learn that false belief? Again, our environment, but it's also in the Bible.

A lot of the books created by society have been created and allowed to be perpetrated because we already have these false beliefs, coming from fear-based beliefs inside of us, that cause us to have an openness and a predisposition to those false beliefs. This is why a book can be written that millions or billions of people follow without question. That's how it can occur. But we do want to question. God in fact created a logical brain - to a degree because it is very much emotional influenced, for you to question, to examine and work out things, that's the purpose for it.

15.4. False beliefs about God enter us from our environment even if we're not religious

Participant: I didn't grow up with a religion at all. I think you said that even if you didn't grow up in a religion you can still have Christian beliefs. So would that be like myself, as well?

Yeah.

Participant: Yeah okay. (Laughs)

Well, one of the beliefs is that God is a punishing God, that's what you used to believe isn't it?

Participant: I think I still believe that. Yeah.

Yeah, and where does that come from? Can you see it comes from your family?

Participant: Yeah.

There is this belief in your family that if you're having pain then you're getting punished, and if you're getting punished then you must have done something wrong. [01:11:25.13]

Participant: Yeah, okay. Cool.

They are all these Christian beliefs. Now when I say they are the Christian beliefs, they're not just the Christian beliefs, Judaism has the same set of beliefs. The Muslim religion has the same set of beliefs basically. The reason we all have the same set of beliefs is because we had that emotional openness before the religion even came along. Before it was even created we had an emotional openness because of the fear of our parents and the damage that fear did to our soul; we have an emotional openness, a predisposition to accepting fear-based beliefs.

16. False teachings about karma

Participant: My question is around the Middle Eastern Law of Karma. I went through a phase in my life where I invested a lot of faith in that all because I was receiving a lot of anger from someone and I chose to follow the path of truth and peace.

So your belief of karma was...?

Participant: That I wouldn't fight back, I'd just choose my path and that karma would sort things out for me.

How about I put it this way: What goes around comes around. (Laughs)

Participant: That's right. I thought, "Well, okay, I'm surrendering to this, so I'm going to allow it to continue. I'm not going to fight." I thought if I just follow my truth and choose the peaceful option then karma will come back. I was really struggling with it, big time.

Yeah, of course.

Participant: But I had a lot of faith in that.

Because it feels unjust and unpleasant while you're going through it all. And you had no control.

Participant: You're not taking any control of it.

You're also not seeing that it's a Law of Attraction upon your own soul, based on your own soul's unhealed emotion. You're not seeing that you're continually creating it either.

Participant: No, that's right. So I guess now on reflection, is karma a misinterpretation of the soul's Law of Attraction?

It's a misinterpretation of "what you sow you reap," in the sense that it's a punishment-based interpretation of that law. The truth is that what you sow you will reap, but often we imply that to others and not ourselves: "What you sow you will reap, what I sow you will reap, too." (Laughter) That's what we do. [01:13:51.19]

Participant: I also understood that a lot of it was my karma and I thought, "Okay I'm just going to take it and deal with that."

But not understanding that you could release the underlying cause.

Participant: Yeah.

Some of the New Age philosophies are improvements on different things, but some of them actually help you skip over personal responsibility. They help you skip over developing in love and working through your own emotional injuries. They help you intellectualise the process so that you can avoid the emotion. So you start to become no longer honest about your own emotional feelings, about what's happening.

At times when you're being attacked, the majority of you still feel this is unfair, this is unjust, you feel like attacking back, you feel like defending yourself. All of those emotions are present. I'm suggesting to you when you've received God's Love more, none of those emotions will be present. You won't feel any of those things. [01:14:52.08]

Participant: So, in effect there's evidence for karma. People see it, but really all it is, is that person's Law of Attraction coming back to them. And I stood back and thought, "Oh that's karma."

Yeah. We call it karma and karma is this principle of "what you sow you reap." "What goes around comes around" does occur to a degree, but unfortunately we have a lot of emotional investment in it. We want what goes around to come around to the people who did it to us. We don't want what goes around to come around to what we did to others. So we are often very hypocritical in the way we apply a law. God is not hypocritical; the law applies across the board without partiality, with equality, but when we apply the law we often do it with partiality and no equality.

I was talking to a group of spirits a few weeks ago and it was an interesting conversation. I think this one might be on the Internet. It was the one where we were talking to three men at the same time. They were a group of men in the spirit world and they were in a rage with women, saying that it was their right to oppress women. They believed with all their hearts that women were animals in the spirit world. Many of you ladies would have been very hard pressed to do the channelling without getting upset. It was a credit to the three women who were present doing the channelling for these men, Mary, Jodie and Natalie, that they could stay in the space of accurately reflecting the emotions of the men involved. It was an interesting discussion because they believed that the law that applied to them didn't apply to women, because women were lesser, women were just animals anyway. The laws that applied to animals applied to women. [01:16:59.04]

Participant: So if I was never outwardly angry, if I had a lot of anger within me that I was suppressing and I attract a person into my life that would project a lot of anger at me, is that right?

No, it's more likely that fear in you would attract more anger from another person.

Participant: Yeah, that makes sense.

A lot of New Age philosophy goes, "Oh you're getting angry because that's the anger in you." No, the emotions have to be sympathetic for it to be occurring. So the reality is, usually when we're receiving anger, it's because of our openness to receiving anger, which means that we are afraid of that kind of person who's giving us the anger. We are open to receiving it.

So if a woman's angry with us all the time, then we know we're open to receiving a woman's anger. We think it's okay. If a man's angry towards us all the time, then we're open to receiving a man's anger. The reality is, though, if we feel our emotions, we'd probably notice that we feel quite open to receiving anger from that person and not this person, and we'd quickly identify what gender it is, and we'd work through the emotion.

But let's talk about some more about God. Does everybody understand how our soul becomes predisposed to false beliefs about love, about God, and about truth?

17. False beliefs that God is absent and does not love us

Participant: I'm not sure how it is for everyone else, but with regards to how our emotional set from our parents that we project on God and in regards to God and love, I can't quite draw the connection for myself. When things are going well, when I've been processing well, I feel God, I feel closer to God and everything's great, but when things are tough and when I really need God's help, God seems the farthest away.

Okay, so let's look at this emotionally. Many of you feel this: When I need God, God goes AWOL, absent without leave. This is a very common thing that happens inside of us.

Now what we begin with is the assumption that God is not loving, still. And when we begin with that assumption, we're assuming God's gone AWOL. We're assuming that when I need God, God's not there. God's only there when I don't need God. We're assuming that's a truth. The reality is that actually God is there more when you need God than when you don't. However, when we have a feeling of I need God, there is usually an underlying emotion, condition, or belief that is false that has to be confronted, and the only way it is going to be confronted is if you feel like God's not there. Do you understand? That's the only way you're going to get into this emotion. [01:20:42.21]

So God's right there, but God can't give you the emotions you think you want while those emotions are based on an addiction to some false belief within you. God is right there saying, "Come on David, come on David, I'm right here, you've just got to believe that. You've just got to trust that instead of feeling it, because you can't feel it at the moment because of the emotion you have. Just feel this emotion, because this emotion is blocking you from having a closer relationship with me." That's really what God's saying in that particular example, but unfortunately many of us think the opposite. We think God's gone missing somehow. God's not there anymore and then we even feel a lack of faith, we don't believe that God's with us anymore and we get angry and upset that God's not with us. "Why are you only with us when we're connected to you? Why are you not with us when we're not connected to you?" not understanding that it's something within our own soul that causes the disconnection, not something within God's soul.

We assume it's something in God's Soul that causes the connection because we believe in a punishing God. If we didn't believe in a punishing God, we wouldn't automatically assume that when we can't feel God it has to do with God being upset or something. We wouldn't automatically assume that. We would assume that it has to be something within ourselves, wouldn't we? The fact that we assume it is God that's gone missing, rather than ourselves that's gone missing, tells us that we have a false belief about God that needs correction. If it doesn't get correction, it's going to prevent us from getting closer to God.

In the end when we are at-one with God, we will not only have God's beliefs about ourselves – to be at-one with God, you must believe what God believes about you – but also you will have God's Beliefs about God, and all of those beliefs have to be confronted to become at-one with God. If one of those beliefs is, "Any time I'm in trouble, you leave me" – which is a false belief because God doesn't leave you in that time – there's something else going on instead.

Participant: So I could use the trust that I have when I feel God is there to trust that even though I don't feel God there, that God is there and can help me through it.

Exactly. And there is just an emotion in you that prevents you from feeling God at that moment, an emotion that God is trying to help you address so that you can feel God better. See, we don't trust that God is good, do we? What is it in Arabic? In Ala Acba, "God is good." We don't believe God is good. We believe God's punishing, cruel, violent; these are things we believe because that's what our parents, through their fear, predisposed us to believe. [01:24:08.09]

Participant: I don't believe that God could love me.

Exactly, you don't believe God is good, because God would love all of her children. So why wouldn't She love you? And because we don't believe God loves us, we believe there must either be something wrong with us – but God created everything right with us, so that doesn't make much sense – or we believe there must be something wrong with God.

Now some of us prefer that there has to be something wrong with God; others of us prefer that it must be something wrong with us. And this is where all these predispositions towards the false beliefs come from, "You are sinners, all of you, and you were born sinners and you'll die sinners." What did I say earlier? Where did that come from? Genesis 8, 21 wasn't it?

"Never again shall I curse the ground because of man even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood."

We accept that belief because we believe that about ourselves already. By the time we get to two years of age most of us already believe that because most of us are being taught that by our parents. "You evil little..." And most of the time a swear word or two accompanies it "What did you do that for? What's wrong with you? There's something wrong with you inside of you!" It's got nothing to do with the parent, of course. But it's the same principle, blaming the child for the parent's rage and then causing the child to feel that it's evil when it wasn't.

So we've grown up with these emotions, feeling these things, believing this is God's Opinion of us and we've got to accept it. The principle that you all need to be ransomed from your sin is based on the fact that you're all evil and terrible and need to be condemned. Another field day with that statement. (Laughs) [01:26:11.03]

The reality is God is not like this. God is not the God that we have come to accept Him to be, and it's because we've come to accept God to be this cruel, punishing, vindictive, petty being that we don't want to connect with Her. But God's not like that. God is totally different to that. We need to allow ourselves to see the truth of that.

18. Different teachings about God leading us into temptation and testing us

Let's have a look at another one, this time in the first book of James. James is in the New Testament, by the way; let's start at verse 12:

"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him. When tempted, no one should say, 'God is tempting me,' for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone, but each one is tempted when he by his own evil desire, is dragged away and enticed. Then after the desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin and sin when it is full grown gives birth to death."

Now that is a truth. The truth is that God doesn't tempt us. God is not trying to test us with evil. What causes us to conceive sin is our own desires that are inside of us; because we have the emotional predisposition to those desires and because of the fear that we have, that causes us to then conceive sin. We go ahead and do what we desire, which is often in the wrong direction, and that's what causes our pain and eventually even our physical bodies' death.

The reality is many of us should be living much longer than we're currently living, but we can't because of the desire that was out of harmony with love that gave birth to the sin. That was out of harmony with love, and that ended up with the destruction of our own physical body as a result. It's a course of action that we took that resulted in our own death. God isn't tempting us with evil or anything like that. So that is a truth. [01:28:43.13]

By the way, the Koran says a similar thing in one place and then in another place in 2 verses 2-7 it says totally the opposite statement,

"Allah keeps people in darkness and prolongs the darkness."

Let's look at this one. This one was meant to have been said by me, Matthew chapter 6 verse 13, The Lord's Prayer. The last line of it says,

"And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."

So that implies that God leads us into temptation and we have to pray that he doesn't, does it not? So in one verse it says that God doesn't lead us by anything that's evil and another verse, said to be my own verse, says that God does lead us into temptation and we have to pray to God so that God doesn't lead us into temptation. No wonder people are confused, hey?

Now for this reason, many people coined the term that God tests me. You've heard of that? It's total crap.

God never tests you. We are often put to the test by the evil that surrounds us; it's the evil that actually tests us. Without the evil, all of us would find it very much less difficult to live a loving life, but because of the evil that surrounds us and the fear-based propositions that we have – not only on the Earth but a lot of spirits are in an evil state, too – because that evil surrounds us it is very difficult for us to live a love-based life.

God is not testing you, but these other people want you to get into an unloving space. They're the ones who are testing you because the reality is that anybody who is loving would never design a test for you, they would always be trying to assist you to do what is good. That's the reality and God is good. Therefore God is not designing a system to test you, but there are many dark spirits and people on Earth who are totally willing to test you and test your resolve towards truth, test your resolve to love, but they are not and do not have anything to do with God. [01:32:02.04]

Participant: Can we truly be tested though by a dark spirit or a dark person if we were strong in our love?

Exactly. There's no way that it would even feel to be a test unless there was something inside of myself that was fear-based, rather than love-based that could be tested. So the law that operates to bring this evil person into my life that allows the test, which is the Law of Attraction, is operating because of an emotion inside of myself. Were did the emotion inside of myself come from again?

From my environment and my parents and what I grew up with. So it's not even my fault that it's happening but I do need to address it, I do need to deal with it.

19. Kinesiology calibration of different spiritual teachings

Participant: Just a little bit of trivia. Before we met you we calibrated everything we ever read. The Bible calibrates around 650, the Quran around 800.

So 650 for the Bible?

Participant: Yes.

The Quran around 800.

Participant: Now we would never read anything that calibrated in the 600's. That's because it's got so many discrepancies and so they balance each other out.

This is when you were doing kinesiology testing on it?

Participant: Yes.

Can I suggest that some of your testing about the Bible was about your emotions as well, by the way?

Participant: Right.

I would actually put them both lower than that on the scale of truth. Did you ever test the New Testament versus the Old Testament?

Participant: Yes we did and we got a difference. There are some things you can do by taking some stuff out of the Bible and it comes up to about 800 like the Quran.

Yes, exactly, so different things come in, go out, and all of a sudden things are different.

Participant: Things like Eckhart Tolle and David Hawkins calibrate in the 800's and 900's.

Yes.

Participant: And then when we started to calibrate your work, your presentations, we realised that anything that was Divine Truth and Divine Love, calibrates over 1000.

Always.

Participant: Always, and most of the talks are around the 1500.

Yes, that is great. It will be greater as we go along as we present more and more things and as myself and Mary get into more truth ourselves.

Participant: It will be interesting because we actually haven't calibrated any of this year's work.

Yes.

20. Different teachings about God allowing bad things to happen to us

Let's read another one from the lovely Bible that we have here.

"One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them."

This is the Satan, by the way, who God created to test you.

_"The Lord said to Satan, 'Where have you come from?' Satan answered the Lord, 'From roaming through the Earth and going to and fro in it.' And the Lord said to Satan, 'Have you considered my servant, Job? There is no one like him on the Earth, he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.' Satan says, 'Does Job fear God for nothing? Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land, but stretch out Your hand and strike everything he has and he will surely curse You to Your face.'_ [01:35:38.04]

"The Lord said to Satan, 'Very well then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.' And then Satan went out of the presence of the Lord."

Do you know what happened next? The first thing Satan so-called did was arrange for the attack of Job's entire family. He put every single servant to death, then he arranged another attack of the entire family, then all of Job's livestock were destroyed. Then he arranged another attack where a wind came from the desert and collapsed on the house while all of Job's children were in it. They all died; only Job and his wife survived. This is a very loving God that we have arranged for the test of Job.

Now I put to you that the test of Job never occurred by God. And the Bible doesn't say it does, the Bible says that Satan did it, but according to the Bible, God allowed Satan to do it, and that's not the case either. There is no Satan, so you can't allow somebody who doesn't exist to do something. (Laughs)

That is going to challenge many people with false beliefs, is it not? That there is no Satan – that's a huge concept that we hold onto in Christian faith and in other faiths, too. It's not true, but getting back to the issue with God, God does not allow or condone or accept anything bad that happens to you, as if it were His Purpose, because none of it needs to happen.

The reality is that it does happen, not only because of our own choices but also because of the evil choices and the fear-based choices of those around us. Those choices all come from fear that has entered our soul and that have allowed us to have a predisposition to treating other people badly. That's where it all comes from. Not from God, but again, this world's definition of God gets put upon us and we end up with this belief system that is so entwined with false beliefs about God that none of us want to know God. We end up wanting to reject God and push God away from us because of all these belief systems, and that's the terrible, unfortunate truth.

21. Conclusions

Now I could go on for hours and hours and hours quoting different verses about God's Nature, but what I'm trying to illustrate to you in this particular discussion about the world's definition of God is this. [01:38:56.08]

21.1. The world is full of contradictions about God

Firstly the world is full of contradictions about God. That is a statement of truth. Any atheist would probably agree with me that the world is full of contradictions about God.

21.2. False beliefs are allowed to enter the soul because of fear in the soul

Secondly, these beliefs are allowed to enter the soul because of fear in the soul. It's the fear in our soul that allows false beliefs about God to enter our soul and then allows for us to live the rest of our life like that.

I'm not immune to the control of fear. While fear is within me, I am going to absorb those beliefs. My own personal life has been like that. I accepted the Bible as God's Word completely at one point in my life, and the reason is that I had a predisposition to accepting fear-based beliefs and to accepting unloving beliefs because of the fear that was within my soul. I came up with all these intellectual justifications. I heard many of them and I came up with many of my own in order to maintain those belief systems rather than deal with the fear that was in my soul.

And then God in Her Infinite Wisdom and Love took me through a process, a process that begins through the Law of Attraction, a law God made to expose truth to us. God took me through this process and eventually I became willing to engage. Once I became willing to engage that process, the fear in my soul got exposed and then I physically worked through this fear. I went through lots of different emotions of fear and came out the other end, and when I came out the other end, no longer could these false beliefs, these world's definitions of God, enter me anymore. The same thing can happen to you if you deal with your fear, if you work through your fear.

21.2.1. False beliefs about the rapture

Participant: How does it work with the Christian belief we will be left behind when Jesus comes? That you are going to take us all...

... with the rapture?

Participant: Yes.

Yes. This is based on the belief that some of us are more acceptable than others and it is based on what we do, not on what we feel. It is a belief if you do the right thing you will be rewarded and if you don't do the right thing, you won't be. This belief is very prevalent in human society. We have to do the right thing; if we don't do the right thing we get punished and if we do the right thing we get rewarded. So it is like the carrot and the stick. You could basically say this whole belief system entered the Bible through the principle of the carrot and the stick that all of us have inbuilt because of the fear-based belief systems that we have. [01:43:16.02]

Participant: Yes for me it was "Just be a good little boy and sit and be quiet in Church."

Exactly.

Participant: And I could feel it from my Mum all the time, this real big fire and brimstone and all that.

Exactly. Fear perpetrates a false belief entering us and then we become so attached to it we can't give it up. I've been a good little boy, when is my reward? It's gotten to this place that there is no reward in just being a good boy. We have to have some kind of additional reward. There's no reward in itself, just being good, we have to have some kind of external thing occur that makes it better.

But if you can understand these few things from our discussion: Firstly, the world is full of contradictions about God. It's no wonder most of the world is confused about whether God even exists or not because we're full of contradictions about God. Secondly, these contradicting beliefs are allowed to enter the soul because of our fear predisposing our soul to the belief entering it. That is the reason why these beliefs enter our soul. [01:44:59.22]

21.3. We need God's Truth and God's Love to remove all fear-based beliefs

Thirdly, we need God's Truth and God's Love to remove all fear-based beliefs. Without the assistance of God's Truth and God's Love entering our soul, it's going to be very difficult for us to determine what is a fear-based belief and what is a truth. It's only by having truth confront the fear and having love confront all of the unworthiness and grief within us that we can actually remove these fear-based beliefs from ourselves. Until that time, unfortunately, the world's definition of God is going to have its little tentacles into us in every aspect of our life. This is what we need to understand – that even right now the majority still have these tentacles affecting our relationship with God.

In the past when I've given talks about relationship with God, there have usually been fewer people at those talks than any other talk, with the exception of parenting talks, which is interesting because the two issues are related, parenting and God. God being our parent is very much related, of course. I find it so fascinating because one is linked to the other inseparably so, it seems sometimes, and yet it's because we are imposing the parental belief systems on God that we are now susceptible to all of these fear-based beliefs about God that are not true. Even our desire to punish ourselves comes from some of these beliefs, our desire to punish others comes from these beliefs, our desire or our belief that we can't cope with emotion comes from these beliefs. Our belief that God didn't create us perfect comes from these beliefs. There are so many beliefs.

21.3.1. The real Lord's Prayer

If you read the true Lord's Prayer that we've provided you, many of the things that are listed confront the beliefs about God.

"My father who is in heaven, I recognise that You are all holy and loving and merciful."

Well, most of us don't feel that. We feel that God is loving and merciful sometimes and punishing other times.

"and that I am Your child, not the subservient, sinful and depraved creature that the false teachers would have me believe."

Can you see if you read a verse like Genesis 8:21, then of course you're going to believe God is telling you you're a sinful, depraved creature from the time of your birth onward, so there's nothing else to believe, is there? [01:49:05.14]

"I know that I am the greatest of Your creations ..."

How many of us know that, really? We don't know that, we think we're not the greatest of God's creations. Half the time we think of ourselves as mongrels or even worse.

"... and the most wonderful of all Your handiworks, the object of Your Great Soul's Love and Tenderest Care."

Now how many of us believe that God actually cares for us tenderly all the time? It's like when David asked that question about "I feel like when I need God, God's deserted me." This is what we really believe most of the time, that God deserts us, but in the prayer it's saying that God has the tenderest care for us.

"I know that Your Will is that I become at-one with You and partake of Your Great Love, which You have bestowed upon me through Your Mercy and Desire that I become in truth Your Child through love and not through the sacrifice and death of any of Your Creatures.

"I pray that you will open up my soul to the inflowing of Your Love and that then will come to me Your Holy Spirit to bring into my soul, this Your Divine Love in great abundance, until my soul is transformed into the very essence of yourself and that there will come to me faith, such faith as will cause me to realise that I am truly Your Child and at-one with You in very substance, not image only."

Most of us don't have that kind of faith yet, faith that we even have the possibility of becoming at-one with God. I still hear many of you saying things like, "Ah, yes, I'm full of fear, but I probably will be for the rest of my life." Why would you believe such a false thing? You're not going to be full of fear for the rest of your life if you release your fear. Many of you feel, "I'm probably never going to become at-one with God while I'm on Earth." Why would you believe such a false thing? The possibility is for you to become at-one with God while you're on Earth. Why would you believe anything else? Because we just don't have the faith and unfortunately because we don't have faith, we then don't carry out what we need to carry out to stop blocking God's Love from entering us. We are unwilling to confront the emotions within us because of that lack of faith.

"Let me have such faith that will cause me to know..."

not just think but know,

"... that You are my Father and the bestower of every good and perfect gift and that only I myself can prevent Your Love from changing me from the mortal to the immortal."

We still have this tendency to go down the track of thinking that God is punishing somehow, or God is withdrawing Her Love from us somehow, or God is trying to slow us down, or God is not really with us at the time God is with us, or God doesn't want us to become immortal as She is, or God doesn't give us every good gift and every perfect present. We feel that when we ask for love, God's going to give us a snake instead, but it's only the cruellest of humankind that would do that. Yet we attribute that to God, too. [01:52:59.15]

"Let me never cease to realise that Your Love is waiting for each and all of us and that when I come to You in faith and earnest aspiration, Your Love will never be withheld from me."

If it feels like faith is being withheld from me, that is just not true. Love is never withheld from us, God's Love is never withheld; it's only we ourselves that can prevent its entry. So if it's not entering us, we need to look at ourselves, not to God; we need to look at what blockages we have within ourselves and do it in a way that we realise we are the greatest of God's Creation, not the worst of it, and we have a capacity to change.

"Keep me in the shadow of Your Love every hour and moment of my life and help me to overcome all of the temptations of the flesh and the influence of the powers of the evil ones who so constantly surround me and endeavour to turn my thoughts away from You to the allurements and pleasures of the world."

So you see the prayer actually defines who tests us. It's got nothing to do with God, it's got everything to do with the evil that surrounds us and our own desires that are imperfect in nature, because of the fear that's already entered us.

"I thank You for Your Love and the privilege of receiving it and I believe that You are my Father, the Loving Father who smiles upon me in my weakness and is always ready to help me and take me into Your Arms of Love."

When your Mum and Dad saw that you were weak, what did they do? Would they smile upon you in your weakness? When people today see that you're weak, what do they do? They turn up the pressure don't they, generally? They want you to be in a different place generally. But God looks upon our weakness and loves us still and is just waiting for us to want to have the earnest desire to correct any weakness.

And it finishes by saying,

"I pray this with all the earnestness and sincere longings of my soul and trusting in Your Love give you all the glory and honour and love that my finite soul can give."

Part of the reason I've had this discussion with you this weekend about love, yesterday on the world's definition of love and today on the world's definition of God, is because we still don't trust much yet. We don't trust love and we don't trust God, and we need to understand the reasons we don't. The reasons we don't are because we've assimilated and imbibed the world's belief systems about love and we've assimilated and imbibed the world's belief systems about God. So it's gotten to this point now where we can't trust God or love in our lives, and we don't trust the process that God wants us to follow to get closer to him. We often feel resistive to it.

22. Closing words

What we wanted to do over the coming months, when we get the opportunities, is to talk more with you about your relationship with God and your feelings of love that come from within you, and help you come to trust love more as being the most powerful substance in the universe, the most powerful feeling in the universe.

We want to also help you come to see that your Father and Mother, your true Father and Mother, not the ones that are on Earth, but your true parent, God, loves you dearly and with passion and She wants you to have this close relationship with Her if that is your desire, if that is what you long for. You don't have to long for it. She's not saying you have to, but if it is your desire, She wants you to come to understand that She is a loving God and She has loving desires for you and has these plans for you for your soul that at this point you cannot imagine. You can't imagine because you've yet to experience them, so you cannot even conceive what the possibilities are even on this Earth.

So what we'd like to do is encourage you to start confronting within yourself the world's definition of things compared to God's definition of things. We'd like to encourage you to stop accepting the world's definition of things and start to deal with the fears and terrors within you that allow you to accept the world's definition of things and that block you from God's definition of things. In particular, start accepting God's definition of Herself and God's definition of love. If you do that you are going to have far more joy in your life on a day-to-day basis than many of you are currently experiencing.

Well I'd like to leave the discussion there if I could. We'd like to thank you for your time guys and we look forward to catching up with you some time over the next couple of months. Thank you. (Applause)

