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Hey everybody, welcome to Episode 19
of Office Hours with Dr. Guy.
And in this episode, I
interview Dr. Laura Hyatt,
one of the authors of this amazing book,
The Dissertation Journey,
the number one book
that I recommend to all
doctoral candidates.
So without any further ado, let's go ahead
and jump into this interview.
Well everybody, today I
have the distinct pleasure,
Dr. Laura Hyatt, coauthor
of the internationally
best-selling book, The
Dissertation Journey,
now in its third edition.
She is a professor at the
University of La Verne,
where she served as
department chair, and teaches
in the Organizational
Leadership doctoral program.
She is an Associate of an
international think tank,
participated as an advisor to the
Office of the Assistant
Secretary for Planning
and Evaluation at the Department of Health
and Human Services in Washington, D.C.,
and was appointed to a White
House policy conference
by the President of the United States.
She has developed
contemporary research methods
utilized by researchers in
the United States and Europe,
including dynamic narrative approach,
and the Case Story research method,
and joining us today, upon the
release of the third edition
of The Dissertation
Journey, Dr. Hyatt, hello.
- [Laura] Hello, how are you?
- [Guy] Oh my gosh, so blessed
to be here with you today.
This book has been a
powerful force in my life.
As a doctoral student myself,
using the first edition of the book,
this was a guide for me as I was
going through troubled times.
So, just thank you so much for
the opportunity to be here with you today,
and to ask you questions
about this third edition.
- [Laura] I'm looking forward to that.
- [Guy] I faced challenges
as a doctoral candidate,
and you've worked with just
loads and loads and loads
of doctoral candidates, through your book
and also through your
one-on-one exposure to them,
within the doctoral
program in which you work,
and I think a lot of candidates come with
a lot of myths in their minds.
Like, during my first day
of my doctoral program,
I showed up in a three piece suit and tie,
'cause that's what I thought
a doctoral student did.
What are some of the myths, (both laugh)
what are some of the myths that, or two,
that you find face doctoral dissertation
and thesis writers, as
they come to your doorstep?
- [Laura] Well I think
that it's not too different
from anything else that most of us
haven't ever tried before.
And even though we've been
successful at other things,
when we start something
we haven't tried before,
we're always a little apprehensive.
I think one of the misconceptions
that students have,
as they begin writing
the dissertation, is that
the process will be similar
to that of an assignment.
For instance, the student
will write a chapter,
and send it to their
advisor, or their chair,
and get it back with comments.
And then the students will
be asked to revise it,
and they'll resubmit it,
and students often expect
that it will be good to go.
That typically isn't the case.
In fact, unlike an assignment,
there will likely be multiple revisions.
And I always encourage
students to start to develop
a mindset that the dissertation
is a marathon, not a sprint.
- [Guy] I find that a lot of universities,
to help with this, have installed
a lot of these dissertation
writing courses,
throughout the course
of a doctoral program,
and I think to a certain
degree those help, right?
But do you think that
that sometimes reinforces
this idea in their heads
of, this is an assignment,
and as long as my professor
in that class was satisfied,
my chair will be satisfied then.
- [Laura] Yeah, I think that that probably
contributes to it.
But I also think that
we're all a product of
our experiences,
- [Guy] That's right.
- [Laura] As well as our education.
And you as a student
have just gone through
a number of years in your coursework,
and you're ready to
begin your dissertation,
and that's your experience,
is completing assignments.
So, that I think plays a big role.
But this is nothing like one of those.
- [Guy] No, not at all, right?
- [Laura] Yes, yes.
I wish there was a way for
us to ingrain that earlier,
but I'm not so sure that,
especially in any kind of
developmental learning,
that you can do that.
I think what needs to happen is,
students need to realize
that every assignment that they complete,
is intended to prepare them
also for their dissertation.
- [Guy] And at times, I
know a lot of candidates
that I speak to, they have this,
they submit initially, they
get requests for feedback,
and they submit again, it's often that,
that next round of revision,
where they feel like they've been slapped.
Because they thought
they did the job, right?
And when you're working with candidates,
how do you help, I mean do
you help soften that blow?
Or, and if you do, how
do you help them prepare
for getting that feedback back again?
- [Laura] You know, I can
only speak for myself,
but when I'm working with
the students that I work with, or chair,
oftentimes I'll tell them that,
in the very beginning, is that we need to
have a conversation about
how this is gonna go.
And I think a lot of chairs
and advisors do that.
I think that we've all sort of been,
either taught, or somehow have learned,
that it's good to set a good beginning,
and the stage for what's going to happen,
so there's no surprises.
Even said, though, I believe
that some students do,
are surprised when they get it back
for a second or third go-around.
So, it's part of the process.
- [Guy] It sure is.
I think the advantage
is, as someone like you,
who's been a chair so many times,
and you've worked with
doctoral candidates directly,
as a faculty member,
and in other capacities,
you know that, through your experience,
there's some hints and some clues
that some students are more
likely to finish than others.
And, in your experience,
what are some defining clues?
Where you look at a
candidate and you can say,
they're maybe more likely to finish,
or most likely to finish
compared to others?
- [Laura] That's an excellent question.
And it's a hard question to
answer, because all of us
are individuals.
- [Guy] That's right.
- [Laura] Both chairs and students.
And this, the book, The
Dissertation Journey,
addresses some of that.
And for me, it comes down to,
I mean I can amalgamate
that into two things.
And that's preparation and perseverance.
And so any first endeavor is more likely
to result in success if you're prepared.
And that entails doing the
hard work ahead of time.
Similar to what I said
in a prior question,
taking advantage of learning
from every professor
and every course, those all
have something to offer,
and they all prepare you for
completing your dissertation.
And perseverance is crucial
in any challenging effort.
Anyone who's ever tried anything,
whether it's first time
learning to do something,
or a marathon, or climbing a mountain,
which is our metaphor,
it's the difference between
those who are successful
in spite of the obstacles.
If you have perseverance.
So perseverance becomes very important.
And I know sometimes at midnight,
when students are trying to write,
that perseverance can wane a bit.
Because it's late, and you're tired,
and this is the third time
you've done this thing.
But, that's what separates
the people who succeed
and the people who don't, really.
- [Guy] And I think
sometimes, candidates can have
some demons in their head
that can say things like,
"Well, maybe you weren't
supposed to do this ever."
and, "Maybe you've just fooled everyone
"up until this point, to
get into this program,
"and get to this level."
And,
are there ways and times that
you've reassured students, that,
just maybe through some major changes,
they can make big steps towards finishing?
- [Laura] So,
I think that, as a rule,
everyone faces that demon.
And that's known as the imposter
phenomenon, as you know.
And,
we all feel like imposters sometimes,
when we're trying to do something.
And we either complete it
really quickly, and think,
"Oh my gosh, that was
too easy, we shouldn't,
"maybe we don't deserve that,"
or, we run into obstacles, and we don't
think we deserve that, because,
or we're not capable of doing that.
I think the best way
to get through that is
to understand that that's going to happen,
anytime that, you know, anytime we face
a challenge or an obstacle,
we need to first understand who we are.
And secondly, we need
to go forward with that.
And the way that you go
forward with that is,
not only understanding who you are
and how you manage things,
and being prepared for that,
but also surrounding yourself
with a good support group
of people that care about
you, and want you to succeed.
And that includes personal
friends, and family,
spouses, whoever you have in your life
that you feel might just give you that
attagirl, or attaboy,
at a time you need it.
That's really important
during any long process
with something that's challenging.
- [Guy] One of the
reasons that I recommend
The Dissertation Journey
as the number one book,
that any doctoral candidate should read,
is that in each of the sections,
it provides a very, first of all,
a very base-level
knowledge, it starts at the
definition levels first, and
then allows people to go into
the higher application
levels, where a lot of
other books that I've
sometimes come across,
start really at the higher analytic level,
and don't provide students the most basic
information, along with the
high level at the same time.
And I think that's because,
a lot of candidates,
they are in doctoral programs
that don't necessarily
help them develop research
writing capacities
before they start doing
their dissertation.
What are some central
skills, or capacities,
that you hope doctoral
candidates would develop,
even if their coursework
does not offer that?
- [Laura] Well, the
first is to be organized.
Because you're not going to,
nothing's gonna get on the page
unless you sit down and write.
And you need time to do it.
I think that people that
want to get their doctorate
are generally people who also
want to offer something to others.
And a lot of times, those
others take time away
from the time that they need to write.
I heard a famous writer once say that,
figure out the time of
day that's best for you,
that works best for you
to accomplish things,
and don't give that time
away to someone else.
Keep it for yourself when you're
doing a project like a dissertation.
And I think that's actually wise advice.
The time that you work best,
if you can structure and organize that,
I think that that will be very helpful.
I think that writing
clearly, so that the reader
understands the meaning you intend,
is very important, it's
critical to any good writing.
And something that we call coherence,
which is adhering,
basically, in this case,
is adhering to a line of logic.
Be sure and build bridges
that connect sentences and paragraphs,
with the ideas that you want to
make meaning of for the reader.
Every academic discipline, in
education and social science,
often use APA 6th edition
as the style manual,
but every academic discipline
has a style manual.
No matter what it is.
Whether it's APA 6th, or MLA,
or any other style manual
that might be required by your program,
become familiar with it.
Make it your friend.
It really contains a wealth
of useful information,
and I know oftentimes, when students
have received papers back that have said,
"Oh, you haven't done this according to,"
for instance, "APA 6th edition,"
that it becomes something
that becomes a bit of
an enigma to them.
And, I think that in this case,
making it your friend,
leaning into the APA manual,
if you go through it,
you'll find a lot of things
that can actually help you.
And again, I'm sure that's true with MLA,
and any other style manual.
But don't try to fight it.
Because that won't do you any good.
- [Guy] Most people, when
they hear APA or MLA,
they think like it's just a rule book.
And here's what the style looks like.
They don't realize that
there's these entire
sections that talk about
how to write logically,
how to develop coherence throughout.
- [Laura] Yeah, and if, if it helps any,
I teach APA, and I still keep my book,
by my computer, open, at all times,
when I'm writing for a publication,
simply because that's what it's there for.
It's there to keep us all honest.
And myself included.
I think it's important to just use it
and make it your friend.
- [Guy] A lot of candidates are involved
in online programs, or
they're separated with
sort of a wall of email, with their chair.
And something that surprised me,
as I started working with more candidates,
is, many candidates are not permitted to
directly phone their chairs.
That's a thing out there apparently.
Or their chair is unreachable,
and typically is available only via email.
And so sometimes, developing coherence,
and when they're in that process,
in that really gritty part
of the writing process,
where they're trying to
construct that line of logic,
often their chair is the only person
that is seeing their writing.
And so for someone that feels
somewhat separated from their chair,
what are some ways, beyond
reading the APA manual,
that they can either engage with others,
or, how can they develop more awareness
of their own line of
logic in their writing?
- [Laura] Well I think there's a number of
writing books out there, that
are general writing books,
not necessarily academic,
but I think that they have good advice.
And might be more
accessible to some folks,
or feel more accessible.
So I think that it's fine
to read some of those books.
I think that many
universities, including mine,
encourage people to develop
different kinds of support groups.
So you need the kind of
support group that goes,
that says to you, "You can
do this, attagirl, attaboy."
But you also need a support
group that you can talk to,
whether that's study
buddies in your own cohort,
or your own class, or people that have
gone through doctoral work,
and we encourage that.
We encourage people to
form those support groups
with other people, so you can
do read-arounds of your work.
You can have somebody
else read it and say,
but it has to be somebody
who will tell you honestly.
Not hurtfully, but honestly.
- [Guy] That's right.
- [Laura] You know, this,
"I didn't understand this."
And I think that that's important too.
So I think having all kinds of people
that you can surround yourself with,
and I know that's not an
easy task in some cases,
especially for those who may
be in all-online programs
that don't have as much connection,
but I do think that
it's important to have.
And you can create that.
Lots of students do.
You can create that support.
- [Guy] The Dissertation
Journey is a best-seller
across multiple editions,
I mean, looking at,
not only the Amazon
ratings, but just simply
the fanfare around this book.
This newest edition is no exception.
What has allowed this
book to be number one,
the number one dissertation writing book
across all editions, time and time again?
- [Laura] Well I think the best person
to ask that question would be
the students who have used it.
However, I can tell you
what they've shared,
you know, some students
have shared with me,
that they like about the book.
- [Guy] Okay.
- [Laura] That includes that
it's written directly to them.
So it's, we wrote that directly.
And this is, I wanna give great tribute to
the first author on this,
which is Dr. Carol Roberts.
She created this book, and she wanted it
to be directly to the student,
because she realized that a lot of books
don't talk directly to the student,
and this is about the student,
and they're the ones that are
in this particular situation.
Sometimes, when they're alone, writing,
which, you know, writing
is a very lonely task,
as we all know.
So I think that the fact that she decided
to write this directly to
the student was brilliant.
It also offers clear information,
that in some cases, isn't provided
in research or dissertation courses.
Including some useful tips, hopefully.
And it's structured in the
order of a dissertation,
there's some chapters
that are to prep load,
writing, and those kinds of skills,
and forming groups of people
that might support you,
but then it's actually
structured so that it goes,
chapter by chapter, and
we use a
general
five-chapter idea here.
A concept in which to
explain our ideas, actually.
So, I think that's helpful,
because it's orderly.
And I think one of the things that
both Dr. Roberts and myself hope is that
we can encourage and build some confidence
through some of the
things that we've written,
and this is, this book, for many students,
becomes another study buddy.
Because when you're sitting there
in the middle of the night,
or in early morning, or at a time when you
don't wanna bother someone else,
you can open the book and hopefully
something in the book
will pique your interest,
but will also encourage you
and build confidence for you.
And to make you feel supported.
Because that's the intent of the book.
The book is to, the book
was written to help students
not only get through the process,
but get through the process
building a quality product.
One they'll be proud of.
- [Guy] What is new in this edition?
- [Laura] Wow, that is a big question,
because this edition has
undergone a substantial revision.
I would say, about 80% has
actually been rewritten.
The chapter headings remain,
so don't let that fool anybody,
because we wanted to keep the integrity
of the mountain metaphor.
It's something that we can
all hopefully relate to,
that any challenge is like
climbing a big mountain.
And so we kept those headings.
But what lies within the
chapter and the text itself
is all been revised pretty much.
There's very little that
hasn't been revised.
So, one of the things
that we have in there that
is been revised and is brand new,
is that at the end of each chapter,
we have a number of websites that
direct students places hopefully
that is helpful to them.
And that will guide them
if they have any questions.
And I think that those are
things that all of us use.
We often use
the internet and Google
and everything else that
we can to find out answers.
Answers are easy to get.
Good questions are hard to get.
But what we'd like is to make this
easier for students to have
access to those things.
So we tried to point
them in those directions.
You know, that said, I
wanna be very careful here,
because I know that websites change,
and so,
- [Guy] Right.
- [Laura] One hopes that
they'll remain at least
for the next immediate time. (chuckles)
But yes, so, we have added those as well.
And we've made some
other kinds of revisions,
not only to update it, but to also
add some areas of clarity.
We've amalgamated some chapters,
we've taken out some chapters,
because we felt as though
those were no longer pertinent,
so I think it's almost like a new book.
- [Guy] It feels like that.
Having used every edition, and pointing
so many students up until
just this past month,
to the second edition of the book,
I have a lot of candidates
reaching out to me saying,
"Hey, I noticed the third edition is out.
"Should I buy it?"
And my answer is of course, yes,
because first of all, the
resources the end of each chapter,
are highly invaluable.
But in particular, there is no other
comprehensive guide out there like this.
There's lots of books about
individual research methods,
and individual approaches,
but there's nothing this comprehensive.
And this, which sets this
book apart, in every edition,
but this book, is, it feels
like an entire rewrite of the book.
- [Laura] I'm glad you noticed that,
and thank you for saying that.
I really do think that
students going forward
in this day and age,
computers being what they are,
and electronics being what they are,
and the fact that things are changing,
pretty rapidly, that students may be
shortchanging themselves
if they don't get,
if they're planning to get
any edition of this book,
if they don't get this
edition, the third edition,
I think they may be selling
themselves short a little bit.
- [Guy] Yeah, I mean,
between the electronic edition
and this physical copy,
I own both, but the physical
edition is just so beautiful.
Well, one thing I know
about you, Dr. Hyatt,
is that where doctoral students
are genuinely and generally
focused on finishing their dissertation,
I know that you have been really stooped
in the publication
world, and in particular,
you've been really instrumental
in your work with dynamic
narrative approach,
and also the Case Story research method.
Can you share your
thoughts on how students
should be considering publication,
presenting at academic conferences,
beyond just dissertation work?
- [Laura] Yeah, I can try.
Again, it's a big topic
when you think about it.
And inherent in the topic is
your experiences and your skills,
and your preparation to do that.
So, you know, every doctoral program,
every university, every
student, every advisor,
has some similarities and differences.
And that is the truth,
as much as universities
may not like to admit that sometimes.
But some doctoral programs,
or dissertation chairs,
require that students publish or present
during their coursework.
For those students, it's expected.
For others, it may not be a requirement,
and so either way, one thing
I'd like for all students
to know, doctoral students to know,
is that not taking your work forward,
may imply to others that
your dissertation research
wasn't worthy of further
contribution to the field.
And it's important to also note that
earning your doctorate comes with
certain implicit expectations,
including an obligation as a scholar
to contribute to your academic discipline
beyond the dissertation.
Such as publishing or presenting
in an academic venue.
Now I know that that's
not an easy thing to do,
and it may not be something
that students wanna do
while they're writing their dissertation.
And that's up to them, of course.
And up to their university
and their chair.
But it always helps if
you have a professor,
even if you do it after your
dissertation is completed,
it always helps that you have a professor
that's willing to mentor
you in these endeavors,
because there are multiple,
multiple rivers to navigate.
And so, one of the
things I would encourage
is for someone to, if they're
interested in doing this,
and I hope everyone is,
is that, you get together with either
some people that are professors,
that can help you with that,
or even former students
that have done that.
Because they can help you as well.
That said, every single student
that completes a dissertation is capable
of learning about the
process independently.
So don't let it dissuade you.
I think it's really, not only is it
an important thing to do,
but I think it's really
a gratifying thing to do.
You know, one of the things
that all of us remember,
who teach or who publish,
is the first time that
we see our name in print.
And for many people, that
first time in an academic venue
is your dissertation.
And how good that feels.
And once you see that, and once
you've had a taste of that,
imagine what it's going to feel
when you take that forward independently.
Most of the students that I work with,
it's something they know
that I want them to do,
and encourage them to do,
and so they try and do it.
I've published with a number
of my dissertation students.
And I always encourage them
to take first authorship,
because usually it's something
they're interested in.
But it's in an effort
to help them as well.
And I think that every
person who becomes a doctor,
even if you choose not to publish,
take a look at academic conferences.
Academic conferences
might just give you that
impetus to publish going forward,
but if nothing else, you have a venue
to basically take your
own research forward.
And you spent a lot of time doing that.
Why wouldn't you want to take it forward?
- [Guy] I think about the,
I think about the stories
and the perspectives
that a lot of candidates will encounter
when doing their research,
they're often becoming the holders
and the storytellers
for their participants.
And often, when they publish then,
they're helping bring that
story and those perspectives
out into a larger audience,
that might not have ever been seen before.
Well, would more rarely be seen,
because it's just, being in a dissertation
versus being out at a conference,
or in a more widespread-published paper.
- [Laura] Well and a lot
of students' dissertations,
or student, doctoral students,
want to somehow use their doctorate,
so they're, you know,
they may be in a field
which is not necessarily
working at a university,
but they want to use it.
We all wanna use our doctorate.
We spent a lot of time getting it.
So, one of the primary
ways that you can do that
is by presenting or publishing.
And I often tell students that,
if they ever do wanna become a professor,
or an adjunct professor for instance,
that it's not an easy
thing to do any longer,
because it's always been very competitive,
but it's gotten, it's become more so.
And one of the things that
any search committee is going
to look at is whether or not
they've presented or published
or taken their work forward
in an academic venue.
So that's also a good reason to do it.
If that's of interest to your listeners,
I would encourage them
to think about that.
And if not before or
during the dissertation,
certainly after.
Of course, take a break
(Guy laughs)
after you complete your dissertation.
Take a break and a breath and celebrate
your success and your accomplishment.
But I would say within six months,
you might wanna start thinking about it.
Sometimes when you let it get so far away
and it becomes very distant,
and it's easy to kind of let that go.
- [Guy] A lot of people
that follow me on this,
on YouTube, and on Facebook, and so on,
they often, maybe what you
call scholarly practitioners.
A lot of them are
superintendents of schools,
or directors in a school district.
For people in that world,
is presenting, publication,
something they should consider?
- [Laura] Absolutely.
As a matter of fact,
many of my students have, that
I've worked with have been,
not only in school districts,
but in organizations
such as government agencies,
like police and things like that.
And,
they've all told me, anyway,
that they have enjoyed
the post-process as well.
That it gave them a chance to
be out there independently,
as an independent scholar,
and go to these academic venues,
which many of them had
not been exposed to,
the scholarly venues where people are,
the associations where people
are presenting their work,
and it allows them to
also meet other people
that are doing good work in the field.
And in many cases, it's a great
way to connect with people
if they do want to publish
or present at a conference,
sometimes you can meet people there,
and pretty soon they're
asking you to be on a panel,
or there's great collaboration
that's encouraged in these venues.
So, if nothing else, I encourage people to
find the association,
the academic association
that best fits their
desires and their field,
and go to the meeting
and see what happens.
I think they'll be surprised
if they haven't been to one.
I think it's a real learning activity,
it's great professional development,
and sometimes it presents
a job opportunity as well.
So I mean, it can be a,
it can serve many masters,
let's put it that way.
- [Guy] One final question for you,
and I think this will serve as a last word
from you for this interview.
I, one of the reasons that I
consistently am telling people
to buy The Dissertation Journey,
is because hope and determination
are just so hugely
emphasized within this book.
So, for candidates who
are listening to this,
and are facing some hardship
in their writing process,
what would you say to them?
- [Laura] Well the first
thing I'd say to them is,
you can do this.
You, first of all, you got
admitted to a doctoral program,
which is no easy feat,
and while there's probably less than 3%
of people in the world
that have their doctorate,
I've heard multiple numbers, but we'll
go with the higher one,
you were able to get into
this doctoral program.
And you were able to complete
the doctoral program,
at least the coursework,
prior to the dissertation.
You can do this.
There is no question that you can do this.
What might help you realize that is,
first of all, to know that
your dissertation advisor
wants you to succeed.
I've never met a
dissertation chair or advisor
that doesn't want their
students to succeed.
But that means that you're going to
have to produce a quality product.
And part of that dance
of the back-and-forth
editing and revising is
necessary in order to
produce that quality product.
The other thing I'd say, again,
is surround yourself with
people that support you
and want you to succeed.
Sometimes we all need
that pat on the back,
or that encouragement, or
even the tough love that says,
"You chose this, now go do it."
(both laugh)
Often that comes from
your spouse, by the way.
- [Guy] That's right. (laughs)
- [Laura] Right?
Find a good editor, that
is proficient both in
writing mechanics, and
in the style manual.
For instance, APA 6th edition
or whichever style manual is required.
In advance, make sure you
work out the payment structure
and expectations, not just
theirs, but yours as well,
because that's really important.
That good editor, by the way,
might just save you from having to redo
many of those revisions.
Embrace this as an opportunity
to grow and improve.
If you look at this as a chore,
and something that you feel
is punishing you somehow,
it's gonna be really hard for you
to complete a good dissertation.
So, embrace it as a
challenge that, you know,
it's an opportunity for
you to grow and improve.
After all, you're gonna be writing a book.
Think about that.
Your dissertation is like a book.
You're gonna be writing a book.
And that's always a challenge, but
how wonderful is it when you complete it,
and you see the fruits of your labor.
And finally, and you
know I'm gonna say this,
- [Guy] Yep.
- [Laura] is keep
The Dissertation Journey on your desk,
close by, for useful tips.
And most of all, if nothing
else, for moral support.
I think sometimes, when we,
when we can learn things from a book,
which we all do, when
we learn from reading,
when we learn from writing,
it's very useful, and if the
book can also be our friend,
that's even, and say it in a friendly way,
which is what we attempted
to do in this book,
I think that that's then very encouraging.
So those are the suggestions I would have.
- [Guy] Dr. Laura Hyatt,
thank you so much.
The Dissertation Journey is
available in its third edition,
at fine booksellers everywhere.
And, again, thank you so much
for the opportunity to
speak with you today.
To just talk about this book.
The number one book I recommend
to all doctoral candidates.
- [Laura] Well thank you so much,
and it's been a pleasure
speaking with you also.
And I can't tell you how
meaningful this is to me.
I mean, I know you well,
and feel as though that
you're just such a quality person.
And you do such good work.
And it's just been a pleasure
to be with you today.
- [Guy] Thanks again Dr. Hyatt.
Have a great night.
- [Laura] You too, bye bye.
- Well everybody, that
is it for Episode 19 of
Office Hours with Dr. Guy,
my great hope is that
you will go to Amazon.com
and check out The Dissertation Journey.
It is a practical and comprehensive guide
to doing everything related
to your dissertation.
It is the number one book
that I recommend to all
dissertation writers.
And I hope you will take a look at it.
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that you're hoping to reach.
Take care, team.
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