THIS I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING
AT THE FIRST MEETING I'M
INTERESTED IN THE PROGRESS WE
ARE MOVING TOWARD WITH AN
IMPORTANT ISSUE WITH REGARDS TO
THE DEER POPULATION IN
MINNESOTA.  WHAT WE WILL DO IS
I AM CHAIR OF THE SENATE
FINANCE COMMITTEE THE
ENVIRONMENTAL FINANCE COMMITTEE
AND REPRESENTATIVE HANSEN AND I
ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE BY
HAVING TWO MEETINGS THIS IS ONE
ONE OF THEM WELCOME.  THANK YOU
BILL MEMBERS FOR A FEW
REMINDERS ON GUIDELINES ALL
COMMITTEE DISCUSSION WILL GO
THROUGH THE CHAIR IF YOU WANT
TO BE RECOGNIZED PLEASE USE THE
RAISE YOUR HAND FUNCTION THAT
SHOULD ACTIVATE THE RAISE YOUR
HAND ASSEMBLED IF YOU'RE NOT
GETTING CALLED UPON PLEASE SEND
AN EMAIL TO THE COMMITTEE
ADMINISTRATOR PETER STROHMEYER
AND DALLAS FISHER EMBERS HOLD
THE QUESTIONS UNTIL AFTER THE
PRESENTATION JUST TO CLARIFY
WERE GOING TO HAVE A NUMBER OF
SLIDE PRESENTATIONS AND IT'S
DIFFICULT TO HOP BACK AND FORTH
BETWEEN QUESTIONS AND THE
SLIDES.  WHAT WE WILL DO IS
HAVE THE PRESENTERS GO THROUGH
THE SLIDES HE PRESENTATION AND
HOLD QUESTIONS UNTIL AFTER THE
PRESENTATIONS SO PLEASE USE
YOUR BLUE HAND SO YOU CAN
FOLLOW UP WITH QUESTIONS. 
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CONDUCTED, THE CLA WILL NOTE
THE ROLLCALL FOR ATTENDANCE
WITH THAT THE FIRST PRESENTER
IS DR. PETER LARSON DR. LARSON
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHO
YOU ARE WITH AND BEGIN YOUR
PRESENTATION WELCOME.
 THANK YOU SO MUCH HAVING THE
CHAIRS HANSEN AND INGEBRIGTSEN
AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND
SENATE COMMITTEES THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR
BEFORE YOU TODAY I'M PETER
LARSON ASSISTANT PROFESSOR IN
THE COLLEGE OF VETERINARY
MEDICINE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
MINNESOTA AND CODIRECTOR OF THE
MINNESOTA CENTER FOR PRION
RESEARCH AND OUTREACH I'M
JOINED WITH DR. TIFFANY WOLF
THE CODIRECTOR AND THE MIN PRO
PROGRAM MANAGER I WILL GO AHEAD
AND SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.  OKAY
HOW DOES THAT LOOK FOR
EVERYONE?  OKAY I WILL GET
STARTED I'M GOING TO GIVE A
HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE RESEARCH
AND OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES WE
BEEN CONDUCTING OVER THE LAST
PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO.  I WILL
ADVANCE THIS, THIS IS A PICTURE
OF OUR NEW PRION RESEARCH
LABORATORY AT THE UNIVERSITY
MINNESOTA IN THE COLLEGE OF
VETERINARY MEDICINE WE HAD
HOPED TO OFFER SOME AND ON-SITE
FOR SOME TIME BEFORE THE
PANDEMIC IT OBVIOUSLY IT'S LOAD
EVERYTHING BUT THERE SOME
IMAGES OF THE NEWLY FORMED
RESEARCH LAB.  TO REMIND
EVERYONE OUR GOAL IS TO DEVELOP
ADVANCED CWD DIAGNOSTIC TOOLS
THAT ARE FASTER MORE EASIER TO
USE, AND TO DEVELOP FUNCTIONAL
PROTOTYPES THAT CAN BE USED
WITHIN TWO YEARS IN THE FALL OF
2021 TIMEFRAME AND THOSE
PROTOTYPES FOR NEW CWD
DIAGNOSTICS CAN BE USED WITH
HUNTER HARVESTED DEER LIVE DEER
AND ENVIRONMENTAL SAMPLES.  IN
JANUARY OF THIS YEAR THE MIN
PRO MOLECULAR LAB BECAME FULLY
OPERATIONAL IN MARCH ALL
NONESSENTIAL UNIVERSITY
MINNESOTA LABS SHUTDOWN DUE TO
COVID 19 AND THERE WAS A
ONE-YEAR HIRING FREEZE AND
LAMENTED.  IN JUNE AND JULY OF
THIS YEAR THE MIN PRO LAB
REOPENED AT 50% CAPACITY WE
WERE SHUT DOWN FROM MARCH INTO
LATE JUNE OR EARLY JULY, BUT
NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY RUNNING AT
50% CAPACITY FOLLOWING THE
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA COVID
SAFETY MANAGERS WE HAVE LIMITED
STAFF WITHIN THE LABORATORY TO
HELP REDUCE POTENTIAL FOR
TRANSMISSION IN THE LAB.  THE
GOOD NEWS IS WE'VE ESTABLISHED
THREE INDEPENDENT LINES OF
RESEARCH THAT HAVE GENERATED
SOME EXCITING PRELIMINARY DATA
IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS THE GOOD
NEWS IS EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE
OPERATING AT 50% CAPACITY WE'VE
HIRED SOME EXCELLENT STAFF WE
HAVE STUDENTS WORKING FOR US
THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING WE
BEEN ABLE TO ADAPT AS BEST WE
CAN TO THE NEW COVID 19
19 REALITY.  THE FIRST LINE OF
RESEARCH I WILL HIGHLIGHT SOME
OF THESE AND DIG DEEPER INTO
ONE IN PARTICULAR BUT I CAN'T
GO INTO TOO MANY DETAILS
BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH
WE HAVE IP AND THERE WILL BE
PATENTS AND INITIALLY SO IF I
PROVIDE TOO MANY DETAILS THAT
COULD RESULT IN PUBLIC
DISCLOSURES OUT GO THROUGH THAT
THE BEST I CAN WITH THE
COMMERCIALIZATION AT THE
UNIVERSITY MINNESOTA THE FIRST
RESEARCH AVENUE TO HIS ANTIBODY
ENGINEERING GENERATING NEW
SMALL ANTI-BODIES THAT HAVE
GREAT BINDING SOLUTIONS TO
PRION PROTEINS THAT'S EXCITING
OPENING UP WE'VE HEARD A LOT
ABOUT ANTIBODIES RECENTLY DUE
TO COVID 19 WERE WITH SIMILAR
RESEARCH LINE WERE IDENTIFYING
ANTIBODIES THAT CAN BIND TO CWD
PRIONS LIGHT-BASED
NANOTECHNOLOGY THERE'S RESEARCH
PUBLISHED ON THIS AREA WHERE WE
CAN DETECT UNIQUE LIGHT
SCATTERING ACROSS PRION
POSITIVE PATHOGENIC PRION
POSITIVE MATERIAL VERSUS
NEGATIVE AND WERE ADAPTING SOME
OF THAT FOR CWD IT SOME
EXCITING RESULTS WITH THAT. 
ONE IN PARTICULAR IS THE RT
QUICK I HIGHLIGHTED THIS IN THE
LAST SESSION EARLIER THIS YEAR
IN FEBRUARY, THESE ARE PROTEIN
AMPLIFICATION MESSAGES IT'S A
RELATIVELY NEW TOOL THAT CWD
DIAGNOSTIC COMMUNITY IS EXCITED
ABOUT AND MICRO FLUID IS TAKING
THAT METHOD IN MAKING IT USABLE
I WILL TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THIS
METHOD BECAUSE WERE REALLY
EXCITED WE HAVE THIS FULLY
OPERATIONAL NOW IN THE LAB AND
WERE EXPANDING ON IT AND THIS
IS A GREAT ASSET FOR THE STATE
OF MINNESOTA THAT'S COMING
ONLINE NOW.  QUICKLY THE WAY
THIS WORKS IS CWD PRIONS I'M
SHOWING AN IMAGE OF A PRION IN
THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER YOU CAN
SEE IT'S MISS FORMED IT HAS
THESE STACKS OF PROTEINS NEXT
TO EACH OTHER IF YOU TAKE THAT
CWD PRION AND TAKE A SAMPLE PUT
IT IN A TUBE IN A TEST TUBE
WITH NORMAL PRIONS SHOWING WHAT
NORMAL PRIONS ARE IF YOU MIX IT
WITH NORMAL PRIONS THEN YOU
INCUBATE AND SHAKE IT OVER TIME
IT WILL CAUSE THOSE NORMAL
PRIONS TO MISS FOLD INTO THE
ABNORMAL SHAPE THIS IS LIKE A
DAISY CHAIN REACTION IN THE WAY
RT QUICK IS IT LEVERAGES THAT
REACTION BUT IT CREATES A
REACTION IN A PLATE AND AT 96
96 IN A TUBE IF YOU WILL AND IT
CAN MEASURE MISS FOLDING USING
A FLUORESCENT DYE IT'S A
FLUORESCENT DYE TO BE ADDED TO
THE REACTION THAT BINDS TO THE
MISS FOLDED FORM AND IF THERE'S
A CWD POSITIVE SAMPLE THAT
CAUSES THE DAISY CHAIN REACTION
WE CAN MEASURE IT IN REAL-TIME
USING A FLUORESCENT DYE.  THIS
IS A WAY TO VISUALIZE THAT, IT
CAN DETECT USING THE TISSUES
LET'S SAY A LYMPH NODE OR
MUSCLE IT CAN DETECT CWD
POSITIVE MATERIAL IN ABOUT NINE
NINE HOURS IN THE PICTURE ON
THE LEFT THE MICROPLATE READER
WE USE IS EQUIPMENT THAT WE USE
AND CAN FORM MULTIPLE REACTIONS
ALL AT ONCE SO IT CAN DETECT
CWD POSITIVE LYMPH NODES IN
ABOUT NINE HOURS, ENVIRONMENTAL
SAMPLES IT TAKES A LITTLE
LONGER IN THIS GRAPH THIS IS
READ OUT THIS IS WHAT WE SEE
WHEN THE REACTIONS HAPPEN.  I
KNOW IT'S COMPLICATED BUT ALL
THE DIFFERENT COLORS THE CURBS
THOSE ARE DILUTIONS OF THE CWD
POSITIVE LYMPH NODE YOU CAN SEE
THE FIRST BLUE CURVE GOES UP
RAPIDLY THAT'S THE REACTION
HAPPENING THAT'S THE DYE
BINDING TO THE THIS FORMED
PRIONS AS THE CHAIN REACTION
HAPPENS THE INTENSITY AND
FLUORESCENCE ON THE Y AXIS GOES
UP AND UP AND WE CAN MEASURE
THAT COMPARED AGAINST
CONTROLLED SAMPLES THAT TALK
THE PROGRAM WORKS.  THE REASON
WHY THIS IS SO EXCITING IS THIS
IS USEFUL FOR BOTH LIVE AND
HARVESTED DEAR.  IT CAN BE USED
FOR BLOOD WE HAVE A PROTOCOL
THAT'S ACTIVE IN THE LAB WHERE
WE CAN DO BLOOD SAMPLES WE HAVE
PROTOCOLS FOR FECAL SAMPLES,
TISSUE BIOPSIES MUSCLE WE'VE
DONE HUNDREDS OF REACTIONS ON
LYMPH NODES SHOULD BE USED FOR
BRAIN.  THE SAMPLE AT THE
UNIVERSITY IS EXCITING THERE
IT'S ALSO USED FOR
ENVIRONMENTAL DETECTION OF
PRIONS IT'S SO SENSITIVE YOU
CAN LOOK AT THE PRESENCE OF
MISS LOADED PRIONS IN SOIL
PLANTS AND WATER WE HAVE
STARTED PLANT EXPERIMENTS TO
GET AT THAT ENVIRONMENTAL
COMPONENT OF OUR DIAGNOSTIC
TOOL WE STARTED AN EXPENSE
WHERE WE'VE INOCULATED PLANT
BARLEY OATS AND ALFALFA
REPLICATING SOME OF THE
PREVIOUS PUBLICATIONS SHOWING
CWD PRIONS IN THE UPTAKE INTO
THE PLANTS THROUGH THE ROUTER
SYSTEM SO WE ARE DOING THIS NOW
IN THE MIN PRO WET LAB AND WILL
BE ABLE TO USE RT QUICK TO LOOK
FOR PRESENCE OR ABSENCE OF
PRIONS IN THAT TISSUE.  I CAN'T
HIGHLIGHT HOW EXCITING THIS IS
FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND
THANKS TO THE SUPPORT OF THE
LEGISLATURE OUR LAB IS THE ONLY
LAND IN THE STATE WITH
ARTICULATED FUNCTIONALITY WE
ARE EXPANDING OUR RT QUICK
CAPABILITIES WE ARE WORKING
WITH THE USDA TO VALIDATE RT
QUICK AS A DIAGNOSTIC TOOL THAT
WILL BE USED FOR THE FARM
CERVID INDUSTRY AND WE THINK
FOR HUNTING SO WE ARE WORKING
WITH USDA NOW ON THE VALIDATION
OF RT QUICK PART OF A
MULTISTATE CWD RESEARCH
CONSORTIUM AND WE FORMED IN RT
QUICK NETWORK OVER THE NEXT
YEAR WE WILL BE USING THE SAME
PROTOCOL THE USDA IS USING TO
VALIDATE AND THAT WORK WILL BE
ONGOING.  OUR CURRENT
THROUGHPUT THIS IS BASED ON THE
CURRENT EQUIPMENT WE HAVE WE
HAVE FOUR OF THESE MICROPLATE
READERS WE RECEIVED TWO
TWO ADDITIONAL NEW MICROPLATE
READERS LAST WEEK NOW AS OF
THIS WEEK WE HAVE THE CAPACITY
FOR 104 SAMPLES EVERY 48 HOURS.
48 HOURS.  FUTURE UPGRADES BOTH
USING THE EQUIPMENT WE
CURRENTLY HAVE WE CAN GET UP TO
488 SAMPLES IN 48 HOURS WE WENT
TO A FORMAT BASICALLY NEEDS OF
THESE MACHINES THAT GETS US TO
488 SAMPLES AS WE ACQUIRE MORE
EQUIPMENT WE HIRE ADDITIONAL
STAFF THAT CAN EXPAND SOME OF
THE LARGEST LABS IN THE COUNTRY
LIKE AT COLORADO STATE THEY
HAVE ABOUT 12 TO 15 OF THE
15 OF THE MICROPLATE READERS
AND ARE ABLE TO DO MANY
REACTIONS ALL AT ONCE WHAT WE
ARE HOPING IS TO GET TO THAT
LEVEL.  SO THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT
RT QUICK IT'S HIGHLY SENSITIVE
TEST THAT CAN BE USED IN A
VARIETY OF SAMPLES IT'S MUCH
BETTER THAN CURRENT DIAGNOSTIC
TOOLS THE BAD NEWS IS IT
REQUIRES SPECIAL REAGENTS THAT
ARE COSTLY AND TIME-CONSUMING
TO PRODUCE.  THAT'S A
LOGISTICAL HURDLE THE UGLY PART
OF RT QUICK IT'S HIGHLY
TECHNICAL YOU NEED SPECIALIZED
STAFF IT'S NOT QUICK, IT'S NOT
QUICK IT'S NOT LIKE THE NAME IT
TAKES HOURS IT CAN TAKE A FEW
DAYS DEPENDING ON THE SAMPLE
TYPE AND SPECIAL AGREEMENT IS
NEEDED.  THE BOTTOM LINE IS RT
QUICK IS A MAJOR STEP FORWARD
WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE NEXT
GENERATION OF CWD DIAGNOSTIC
TESTING THAT WILL BE PERMITTED
ACROSS THE UNITED STATES
ESPECIALLY ONCE THE USDA
VALIDATES THIS IN THE COMING
YEAR BUT WE STILL NEED TO
DEVELOP DEER SIDE APPLICABLE
TEST IT'S NOT A SILVER BULLET
WE KNEEL TO SIMPLIFY AND GET
THINGS OUT INTO THE DNR FIELD
STATION A DEER SITE TEST THAT'S
WHAT WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS.  I
WILL SHIFT GEARS QUICKLY AND
TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE
EDUCATION AND OUTREACH WE ARE
PERFORMING THIS IS THROUGH A
LOT OF THE WORK THAT OUR STAFF
HAS BEEN FORMING AND WILL BE
PERFORMING I WILL HIGHLIGHT
SOME OF THE WORK THE PROGRAM
MANAGER HAS DONE A GREAT JOB
AND THE ASSISTANT PROFESSOR IN
THE COLLEGE OF THAT MEDICINE
HAS HELPED AS WELL.  OVER THE
LAST YEAR WE'VE REACHED OVER
5400 MINNESOTANS THROUGH IN
5,400 MINNESOTANS THROUGH IN
PERSON AND ZOOM OUTREACH EVENTS
WE'VE TRANSITIONED DUE TO COVID
192 MORE ZOOM OUTREACH MEETINGS
SO WE ARE TRYING TO ADAPT THAT
OUTREACH IN RESPONSE TO COVID
19 JUST RECENTLY AND THERE'S A
PDF MOST OF YOU HAVE, WE'VE
GENERATED I WILL GET MY VIEW
HERE SO I CAN SEE IF YOU LOOK
AT MY PRESENT REVIEW YOU CAN
SEE THE BOOK WE GENERATED THIS
IS AMONG TRANSLATION WE ALSO
HAVE MULTIPLE VERSIONS WE CAN
USE ON THE INSIDE COVER THERE'S
A GLOSSARY OF TERMS, A GLOSSARY
OF TERMS FOR CWD AND THIS SHOWS
IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE BOOK IT
SHOWS IT TALKS ABOUT THE
BIOLOGY'S HOW IT'S SPREAD TO
THE DEER SO WE ARE TRYING TO
HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND
EDUCATE YOUTH HUNTERS AND ALSO
THE GENERAL PUBLIC ABOUT THIS
DISEASE WE ALSO DEVELOPED IN
INSERT THAT CAN CHANGE YEAR TO
YEAR, THAT SHOWS STATISTICS
FROM MINNESOTA LIKE WHERE CWD
HAS BEEN FOUND BEFORE SOME
USEFUL INFORMATION FOR HUNTERS
POINTING THEM TO THE DNR AND
THIS IS IN INSERT THAT WILL BE
ABLE TO MODIFY AND UPDATE WITH
COMING YEARS IN DIFFERENT
VERSIONS.  WE WILL DISTRIBUTE
HARD COPIES OF THIS IN
MID-SEPTEMBER TO GET THIS OUT
TO FOLKS BEFORE HUNTING SEASON
RAMPS UP.  WE'VE ALSO PRODUCED
THIS IS EXCITING A 3-D
FULL-SIZE 3-D WHITETAIL DEER
HEAD WITH LYMPH NODE SAMPLING
THIS IS SOMETHING THE DNR IS
EXCITED ABOUT THE USDA IS
REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS I'M
SHOWING THIS FULL-SIZED
WHITETAIL DEER HEAD WITH THE
LYMPH NODE COMING OUT THIS DEER
HAD BEFORE COVID WE PRINTED
THIS WE WANTED TO TAKE THIS AND
BRING IT OUT AND SHOW THE
PUBLIC AND HAVE COPIES OF THIS
AT DNR FIELD STATIONS AND
PROVIDE TO THE BOARD OF ANIMAL
HEALTH TO HELP TRAIN AND HOW TO
TAKE SAMPLES FOR THE FARM
CERVID INDUSTRY THE COVID HIT
WE CAN'T DISTRIBUTE THINGS LIKE
THIS BUT NEVERTHELESS WE CAN
EXPAND ON THIS AND AS WE GET
COVID UNDER CONTROL WE CAN
DISTRIBUTE THIS, WHAT IT SHOWS
IT CAN GO DOWN THESE ARE
SOLITARY GLANDS THAT HAVE BEEN
CUT HERE THIS IS THE MOST
COMMON TISSUE THAT'S
MISIDENTIFIED FOR THE LYMPH
NODES YOU CAN DIG IN THERE AND
YOU CAN ACTUALLY PULL OUT USING
TWEEZERS A LYMPH NODE AND WERE
EXCITED ABOUT THIS THIS IS A
PRODUCT OF THE STAFF WORK SO WE
WILL EXPAND ON THAT AND THE
USDA IS INTERESTED IN HAVING
THOSE MODELS ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES TO HELP TRAIN PEOPLE AND
HOW TO TAKE SAMPLES THERE'S A
VIDEO THAT HIGHLIGHTS THIS ON
THE LINK ON THE PAGE.  WE ARE
ALSO ORGANIZING CWD WEBINARS
BEGINNING IN OCTOBER BEFORE ONE
ONE HOUR SESSIONS 30 MINUTES OF
30 MINUTES OF TALKING 30
30 MINUTES OF QUESTIONS I WILL
DO THE FIRST TO BASICS TO CWD
GIVING MY TALK ON HOW TO
EXPLAIN WHAT IS A PRION HOW
DOES IT SPREAD TALKING ABOUT
THE ECOLOGY AND DIAGNOSTIC
TOOLS, THEN THE STAFF FROM
CIDRAP WE WILL WORK MORE WITH
CIDRAP AND HOW TO COORDINATE
CIDRAP DOING POLICY WORKING ON
POLICY WE ARE HELPING WITH
EDUCATION THROUGHOUT MINNESOTA
TRYING TO GET TO THE GENERAL
PUBLIC WE WILL JOIN FORCES AND
WORK TOGETHER ON THIS AND COREY
WILL GIVE THE THIRD TALK THEN
THE DNR WILL PROVIDE THE FOURTH
TALK YOU CAN SEE WE'RE
SCHEDULING THESE NOW THE DATES
ARE THERE ON THE BOTTOM THE
STAFF IS GOING TO BE THE HOST
FOR THOSE IN ORGANIZING THAT I
APPRECIATE THE WORK HE HAS
DONE.  REAL QUICKLY TO FINISH,
WE ARE ALSO ENGAGING THIS IS
THANKS TO THE TRUST FUND THE
LCCMR WE ARE GAUGING CULTURALLY
DIVERSE HUNTING COMMUNITIES ON
THE CWD OUTREACH LED BY OUR
STAFF AND I ADDED THIS TODAY
YOU CAN SEE WE NEED TO HAVE
EVERYONE TO COME TOGETHER THIS
NEEDS TO BE A COLLABORATIVE
EFFORT THAT BRINGS TOGETHER
GOVERNMENT AGENCIES RESEARCHERS
POLICYMAKERS ON THIS ISSUE IN
ORDER TO GET IN FRONT OF CWD IN
THE STATE AND THE STAFF WILL BE
LEADING THE EFFORTS ON THE
OUTREACH TO TRIBAL NATIONS AND
AMONG AND AMISH COMMUNITIES. 
THIS PAPER I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT
THIS AT THE END THIS IS A PAPER
THAT CAME OUT A FEW WEEKS AGO
OUT OF DR. HOOVER'S LAB AT
COLORADO STATE I WANTED TO
SHARE THIS WITH EVERYONE THIS
SHOWS THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE
PAPER IS IT SHOWS THEY USE
CHALLENGE EXPERIMENTS CHALLENGE
EXPERIMENT USING WHITETAIL DEER
AT THEIR FACILITY IN COLORADO
THEY SHOW THE MINIMUM
INFECTIOUS DOSE TO TRANSMIT CWD
IS ABOUT 300 NG OF CWD POSITIVE
BRAIN MATERIAL IF YOU DO THE
MATH ON THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT 2.5
G ABOUT THE SIZE OF A PENNY
THAT WILL IN FACT MILLIONS OF
DEER SO THIS IS HOW INFECTIOUS
THIS AGENT IS.  THAT IS WHY
IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO HELP US
UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S SO
DIFFICULT TO MANAGE IN THE WILD
IN THE CERVID INDUSTRY IT'S
BECAUSE IT'S SO INFECTIOUS AND
WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO
CATCH IT EARLY AND TO
MITIGATED.  WITH THAT I WILL
THANK ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES
FOR ALL THEIR ASSISTANCE AND I
WILL GO AHEAD AND STOP SCREEN
SHARING AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO
QUESTIONS.
 THANK YOU DR. LARSON AND
DR. WILL AND THE DEPARTMENT WHO
IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IS
THAT CORRECT.  I HAVE TWO HANDS
TWO HANDS RAISED REPRESENTATIVE
ECKLUND.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR THANK YOU
DR. LARSON FOR THE PRESENTATION
AND YOUR ONGOING RESEARCH ON
THIS, AS A DEER HUNTER IN
NORTHERN MINNESOTA I APPRECIATE
IT.  DR. LARSON HAVE YOU BEEN
CONTACTED BY THE BOARD OF
ANIMAL HEALTH AND HOW DOES YOUR
RESEARCH WORK WITH THEIR
PROPOSED RULEMAKING.
 THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION
CHAIR HANSEN AND MEMBERS, WE
HAVE I HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH
THE BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH
OFTEN ON THROUGH THE LAST YEAR
ABOUT RT QUICK ABOUT GETTING
THIS METHOD RUNNING.  WE HAVE
SUBMITTED THE GRANT PROPOSAL
RECENTLY WITH THE BOARD OF
ANIMAL HEALTH WITH DR. WELLS AT
IN CBM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
MINNESOTA TO USE RT QUICK AS A
METHOD TO LOOK AT PRIONS ON
FARMS THAT HAVE GONE POSITIVE
OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS HAD A
BEEN CONTACTED SPECIFICALLY
ABOUT TRYING TO HELP ADVISE
WITH THE BOARD ON SCIENTIFIC
ISSUES RELATING TO CWD?  I HAVE
NOT SPECIFICALLY.
 MR. CHAIR THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
 I GUESS THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC
I'VE BEEN DEBATING OVER AND
OVER AT THE LEGISLATURE FOR TWO
TWO YEARS AND I FIND IT
TROUBLING THAT WHEN WE HAVE
RESEARCH GOING ON AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA OUR
BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH ISN'T
CONSULTING WITH THEM I THINK IT
SHOULD BE MORE OF A COOPERATIVE
EFFORT THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
 REPRESENTATIVELY.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR THANK YOU
DR. LARSON FOR COVERING SOME OF
THE OUTREACH EFFORTS THE
UNIVERSITY HAS DONE AND IT'S
EXCITING TO SEE YOU HAVE
TRANSLATED MATERIALS IN HMONG
AND ARE WORKING FOR OUR TRIBAL
NATIONS BUT ONE QUESTION I HAVE
DR. LARSON IS MY UNDERSTANDING
IS YOU ARE SEEKING SOME CHANGES
TO A PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED
THROUGH THE EMERGENT ISSUES
ACCOUNT FOR THE OUTREACH TO
DIVERSE HUNTING COMMUNITIES. 
CAN YOU INFORM US TO WHAT THOSE
CHANGES ARE.
 I WILL ASK DR. WOLF TO
RESPOND.
 DR. WOLF IF YOU COULD PLEASE
IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE
RECORD.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR THIS IS
TIFFANY WOLF ASSISTANT
PROFESSOR IN THE COLLEGE OF
VETERINARY MEDICINE AT THE
UNIVERSITY.  THANK YOU
REPRESENTATIVELY FOR THE
QUESTION.  WE HAVE RECENTLY
SUBMITTED AN AMENDMENT TO OUR
WORKPLAN RELATED TO THE
EMERGING ISSUES FUND STUDY THE
REASON FOR THAT IS WE ARE
RESPONDING TO CHANGING DYNAMICS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE COVID 19
19 SOCIAL DISTANCING, THE
GUIDELINES THAT ARE IN PLACE
AND WHERE OUR INITIAL PLANS
WERE TO REALLY GET OUT INTO
COMMUNITIES AND DO A LOT MORE
IN PERSON OUTREACH WE
RECOGNIZED A LOT OF THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES ARE GOING AWAY. 
WE ALSO AND A LOT OF
DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD WITH
TRIBAL BIOLOGISTS AS WELL AS
OTHER RESEARCHERS CWD
RESEARCHERS AROUND THE COUNTRY
ARE RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS
ALSO A NEED TO DO MORE WORK UP
FRONT THAT HELPS TO INFORM WHAT
THESE OUTREACH MATERIALS LOOK
LIKE SO GETTING INFORMATION ON
CULTURAL PERCEPTIONS OF RISK
ASSOCIATED WITH LIVE LIFE
DISEASE AND SOCIETAL TRUST AS A
WAY TO HELP US IDENTIFY WITH
THE BEST MESSAGES AS WELL IS
WHAT THE KNOWLEDGE GAPS ARE IN
THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES SO WE
CAN USE THE BEST APPROACH AND
PROVIDE THE BEST INFORMATION
THAT THESE COMMUNITIES NEED
THAT KIND OF WORK STILL NEEDS
TO BE DONE.  GIVEN THE
LIMITATIONS WE HAVE IN
PHYSICALLY GETTING INTO THESE
COMMUNITIES AND MAKING
CONNECTIONS TO DELIVER OUT
OUTREACH, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE
A STEP BACK AND WORK THROUGH
COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO GATHER
THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT WE
THINK IS IMPORTANT TO INFORM
HOW WE DEVELOP THAT OUTREACH
MATERIAL.  THAT'S REALLY THE
PRIMARY MOTIVATION BEHIND THE
CHANGES TO THAT WORKPLAN.
 REPRESENTATIVELY ANY
FOLLOW-UP.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND
DR. WOLF CAN YOU SPECIFICALLY
TALKED TO THE PEACE AROUND
DOING THE SURVEY WHERE NOW YOU
ARE FOCUSING I THINK INITIALLY
THE SURVEY WILL BE HITTING THE
SOUTHEAST ASIAN COMMUNITIES AND
THE AMISH COMMUNITY BUT NOW THE
PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO ONLY
DO SURVEY OF TRIBAL NATIONS
CORRECT.
 THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE
HANSEN MR. CHAIR THAT IS
PRIMARILY RELATED TO ACTIVITY
IN ACTIVITY ONE WE ARE GOING TO
BE REACHING OUT TO ALL
COMMUNITIES TRIBAL AMISH,
HMONG, TO GATHER THE
INFORMATION WE ARE LOOKING FOR
BASED ON CWD KNOWLEDGE
PERCEPTIONS OF RISK ETC.  WE
ARE TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH
RATHER THAN USING SURVEYS BUT
TRYING TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY
LIGHT DESIGNS TO ACTUALLY DO
HOLD FOCUS GROUPS SMALL GROUP
TOGETHER INFORMATION OR OR
ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEWS ACTIVITY
TO IS WHERE WE HAVE SCALED BACK
TO FOCUS ON SURVEYS OF TRIBAL
HUNTERS AND THE REASON FOR THAT
IS WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH
THE DNR ON THIS AND THEY HAVE
CONDUCTED SURVEYS OF HUNTERS
PRIMARILY TARGETING HUNTERS IN
THE DEEP DEER PERMIT AREAS
WHERE CWD IS AND THEN ACT, BUT
ALSO RANDOM HUNTER SURVEYS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO TRY TO
GATHER INFORMATION ON HUNTER
BEHAVIORS AS WELL AS RESPONSE
TO THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN
PLACE BY THE DNR.  OUR
COLLABORATORS AT THE DNR FEEL
THEY HAVE GOTTEN VERY GOOD
INFORMATION CROSS-SECTIONALLY
FROM THE HUNTING COMMUNITIES
AND REPEATING THAT WITH THE
SOUTHEAST ASIAN AND HMONG
COMMUNITIES WOULD BE A BIT
REDUNDANT.  WHERE IT IS
IMPORTANT TO DO THOSE IN THE
TRIBAL COMMUNITIES IS RELATED
TO THE FACT THAT IN THE NEXT
ONE OR TWO YEARS TRIBAL NATIONS
ARE GOING TO BE ROLLING OUT CWD
SURVEILLANCE OF THEIR OWN ON
RESERVATION LAND BUT RIGHT NOW
MOST IF NOT ALL OF THEM DON'T
HAVE PLANS IN PLACE AND HOW
THEY WOULD RESPOND IF THERE WAS
A DETECTION IF THE DETECTIONS
DID OCCUR THERE WOULD BE A LOT
OF SCRAMBLING TO WORK WITH THE
DNR AS WELL AS THE USDA.
 THERE IS A SYSTEMWIDE MUTE I
DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
.
 THANK YOU PETER I'M NOT SURE
WHERE THAT OCCURRED.
 IT WAS IN THE LAST FIVE
SECONDS.
FIVE SECONDS.
 THIS KIND OF INFORMATION IS
NOT ONLY IMPORTANT FOR HELPING
TRIBAL BIOLOGISTS DEVELOP CWD
MANAGEMENT PLANS FOR
RESERVATIONS THAT ALSO WILL
ENHANCE PARTICIPATION AND
SURVEILLANCE BY DIRECTING
MAKING CONNECTIONS WITH THE
TRIBAL HUNTERS AND DIRECTING
OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS.
 THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE LEAD
DID YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW-UP OR
WE HAVE SEN.  TOMASSONI.
 MR. CHAIR THANK YOU THE LAST
FOLLOW-UP MAYBE THIS WILL BE
FOR THE DNR I WANTED TO GET AN
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE DNR
IS DOING THEY ARE SAYING THERE
OUTREACH IS ENOUGH SO THAT'S
WHY WE ARE CHANGING AWAY THE
FOCUS FROM THE SURVEY FROM THE
SOUTHEAST ASIAN AND THE AMISH
COMMUNITIES.
 I WE COULD HAVE A RESPONSE
FROM THE PRESENTATION IF THAT'S
POSSIBLE.  SEN.  TOMASSONI.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR DR. LARSON
WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON
SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES AS A
RESULT OF THE RT QUICK I KNOW
BEFORE THE ONLY WAY WE COULD
DETECT THE PRIONS WAS TO HAVE
BRAIN SAMPLES AND WHILE WE
THINK IT COULD BE TRANSMITTED
THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
WAYS SUCH AS FECES OR SALIVA OR
URINE THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY
KNOW BEFORE DOES THE RT QUICK
NOW GIVE US THE ABILITY TO
ACTUALLY CHECK THE OTHER WAYS
OF TRANSMISSION TO ACTUALLY
CONFIRM THAT'S WHERE WE ARE
FINDING IT AND OUR PLANTS ALSO
ANOTHER POTENTIAL PLACE THAT WE
CAN FIND TRANSMISSION.
 CHAIR HANSEN AND CHAIR
INGEBRIGTSEN, YES WE CAN USE RT
QUICK TO CHECK FOR THOSE PRIONS
THE CWD PRIONS IN URINE AND IN
FECES IN THE SOIL, WE CAN CHECK
FOR THEIR PRESENCE OR ABSENCE
THAT'S WE CAN USE RT QUICK TO
DO THAT WE HAVE PROTOCOLS TO DO
THAT.  NOW CAN FOR YOUR SECOND
QUESTION CAN PLANTS BRING IN
PRIONS THERE ARE TWO
TWO PUBLICATIONS SHOWING WHERE
THEY IN A LABORATORY GREW
WHEATGRASS IN PRION
CONTAMINATED SOIL AND THEY WERE
PRIONS IN THE LEAVES AND THOSE
PRIONS WERE INFECTIOUS.  THE
PROBLEM IS THERE'S ONLY TWO
TWO PAPERS TO STUDIES OUT THERE
AND BASED ON THAT INFORMATION
NORWAY IN 2018 BANNED THE
2018 BANNED THE IMPORTATION OF
HE OR STRAW FROM CWD POSITIVE
REGIONS.  SO IN OUR LABORATORY
WE UNDERSTAND IF WE NEED TO
HAVE RESEARCH TO UNDERSTAND ARE
THE PRIONS BEING UP TAKEN AND
WHAT VARIETY OF PLANTS ARE
THERE BECAUSE I DO THIS IN VIEW
THIS AS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR
AGRICULTURAL COMMODITIES AND WE
NEED TO DO RESEARCH TO BETTER
UNDERSTAND THIS AND GET AHEAD
OF IT AND GET N FRONT OF IT.
 MR. CHAIR AND DR. LARSON GIVE
ME AN IDEA NOW ABOUT THE WAY WE
BEEN TRACING IT IN THE PAST HAS
BEEN THE DEER HUNTERS KILL 4000
4,000 DEER AND WE CHECKED THE
BRAINS IN A CERTAIN AREA OF THE
STATE AND WE FIND 11 DEER WERE
11 DEER WERE POSITIVE AND
DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE
HAVE A PROBLEM.  IS THE FACT WE
CAN NOW TEST OTHER SAMPLES SUCH
AS FECES DOES THAT GIVE US AN
INDICATION OF HOW WIDESPREAD IT
IS OR IS IT THE LUCK OF THE
DRAW TYPE THING AND HOW MUCH
BETTER IS OUR INFORMATION OUT
AS A RESULT OF THIS.
 CHAIR HANSEN AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS, RT QUICK IS A MUCH
MORE SENSITIVE TEST RT QUICK
CAN IDENTIFY POSITIVE ANIMALS
THAT ARE MAYBE A MONTH OR TWO
TWO OR THREE INTO THE INFECTION
CYCLE IT'S MUCH MORE SENSITIVE
THE CURRENT TESTS BEING USED
WILL HAVE A FAILURE RATE WHERE
THEY CAN MISS OR NOT DETECT
THOSE EARLY INFECTIONS WE
BELIEVE OVERTIME AS RT QUICK
GETS WIDELY ADOPTED WILL HAVE A
BETTER VIEW A MORE ACCURATE
VIEW OF WHERE CWD IS IN THE
WILD I HOPE THAT HELPS ANSWER
THE QUESTION IT'S A RESOLUTION
ISSUE RIGHT YOU HAVE A PRETTY
COURSE RESOLUTION NOW WITH THE
DIAGNOSTIC TESTS PROVIDED RT
QUICK REPRESENTS THE NEXT
GENERATION THAT WILL HAVE MUCH
BETTER RESOLUTION IF YOU CAN
FIND THOSE INFECTIONS THAT ARE
EARLIER OR MAY HAVE BEEN MISSED
BY THE OTHER TOOLS THEN WE CAN
HELP MANAGE THE DISEASE IN A
DIFFERENT WAY.
 LET ME TRY THIS MR. CHAIR ONE
ONE MORE QUESTION, IN THE
INSTANCE OF DOING BRAIN SAMPLES
YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ANIMAL
IT IS IN THE CASE OF DOING
FECES HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE
TESTING THE SAME ANIMAL TWO OR
TWO OR THREE OR FOUR TIMES OR
FOUR TIMES OR IF IT'S A
DIFFERENT ANIMAL ARE WE
TRACKING THE ANIMAL SO WE KNOW
WHAT WE ARE TESTING BECAUSE I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WERE ABLE
TO TEST LIVE ANIMALS NOW AT HOW
DO WE KNOW WHICH ONES WE ARE
DOING AND ARE NOT DOING THE
SAME ONE OVER AND OVER.
 CHAIR HANSEN AND INGEBRIGTSEN
IN VIEW OF THE VEHICLE
COMPONENT OF THIS IF YOU HAVE
AN AREA WHERE DEER CONGREGATE
BUT SAY IT'S A NATURAL MINERAL
LICK OR THE CORNER OF AN L FELL
FOR FIELD WERE DEER CONGREGATE
IN YOUR ABLE TO DETECT THE
PRIONS IN THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA
THAT CAN TELL YOU THE HERD AT
SOME LEVEL THERE MAY BE ONE
ONE INDIVIDUAL OR MORE THAT ARE
POTENTIALLY POSITIVE FOR CWD
YOU TALK ABOUT HER TO
SURVEILLANCE THAT'S A WAY YOU
CAN LEVERAGE RT QUICK IS TO GET
AT THE LIVE ANIMAL SIDE OF
THINGS I WILL SAY FOR THE
TISSUE HARVESTED HUNTER
HARVESTED DEER THE LYMPH NODE
THE BRAIN, THOSE WILL ALWAYS BE
VALUABLE TISSUES TO LOOK AT
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PRIONS
NATURALLY ACCUMULATE SO VIEW
LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL SCALES
HERE YOU CAN DO ENVIRONMENTAL
SAMPLING AT THE HOTSPOTS WITH
THE NATURAL MINERAL LICK, A
PLACE WHERE DEER CONGREGATE BUT
THEN YOU CAN ALSO YOU WILL ALSO
LEVERAGE THE LYMPH NODE OR
BRAIN MATERIAL FROM A HUNTER
HARVESTED ANIMAL OR ANIMAL
HARVESTED FROM THE CERVID
INDUSTRY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE
THE PRIONS CONGREGATE
NATURALLY.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
 REPRESENTATIVE BECKER FINN
THAN WILL MOVE ON TO THE DNR I
THINK WE SHORTED DR. LARSON AT
THE LAST MEETING I'M WILLING TO
GIVE HIM A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR
QUESTIONS REPRESENTATIVE BECKER
FINN.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR HOPEFULLY
THIS WILL BE QUICK I WANTED TO
CLARIFY FROM THE PREVIOUS
DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS THAT
WE DO KNOW THAT THE PRIONS ARE
CAN BE FOUND IN BLOOD AND URINE
THAT'S NOT A QUESTION THE
DIFFERENCE WITH RT QUICK IS WE
CAN TEST IT MORE EASILY AND
BECAUSE IT'S SO SENSITIVE WE
CAN FIND THE PRIONS THERE BUT
THERE THE CLARIFICATION I'M
ASKING FOR FROM DR. LARSON IS
THERE ISN'T A QUESTION ABOUT
WHETHER PRIONS CAN BE FOUND IN
BLOOD AND URINE FECES IT'S JUST
WE'VE ALWAYS USED THE LYMPH
NODES IN THE BRAIN BECAUSE
THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE THE
HIGHEST NUMBER OF THE PRIONS
ARE GOING TO BE FOUND.
 CHAIR HANSEN AND MEMBERS YES
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IT'S
BECAUSE THE CURRENT DIAGNOSTIC
TOOLS COULD ONLY USE TISSUES
WHERE THOSE PRIONS ARE FOUND
WITH RT QUICK IT SO SENSITIVE
YOU CAN DETECTED IN BLOOD AND
URINE AND THIS IS ALREADY BEEN
SHOWN EXPERIMENTALLY OUT OF THE
MAIN RT QUICK LABS AT COLORADO
STATE THAT'S CORRECT.
 REPRESENTATIVE BECKER FINN ANY
FOLLOW-UP.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR THANK YOU
DR. LARSON FOR THE PUBLIC THAT
IS LISTENING THERE IS IN THE
QUESTION WHETHER IT CAN BE CWD
AND PRIONS CAN BE TRANSFERRED
IN BLOOD AND URINE IT'S NOW WE
HAVE A BETTER TOOL TO FIND IT.
 THAT IS CORRECT YES.
 THANK YOU DR. LARSON AND YOUR
TEAM AND YOUR CONTACT
INFORMATION IS ON THE COMMITTEE
SITE IF PEOPLE HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS FOR YOU THEY CAN
FOLLOW UP LATER THANK YOU WE
WILL MOVE ON TO THE DNR AND
DR. CARSTENSEN WELCOME.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR I WILL
SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.  LET ME
MR. CHAIR.  OKAY THANK YOU
MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS FOR
HAVING ME HERE I AM MICHELLE
CARSTENSEN I'M CURRENTLY THE
PROGRAM SUPERVISOR FOR DNR
ACTING AS A RESEARCH MANAGER
FOR THE TIME BEING WITH ME
TODAY I HAVE THE STAFF FROM THE
DNR AND THE MPCA JOINING ME
LATER IN THE PRESENTATION TO
COVER SOME OF THE TOPICS IN
THEIR PURVIEW.  I'D LIKE TO
BEGIN WITH AN OVERVIEW, WE
HAVEN'T OUTLINED TODAY WHAT I
WILL TALK ABOUT IN OUR 20
20 MINUTES I LIKE TO GIVE YOU A
RECAP OF WHAT HAPPENED THIS
PAST FALL SO THAT'S FRESH IN
YOUR MINDS AND TALK ABOUT A NEW
AREAS UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE NEW
AREAS OF DISEASE TO WORK ON
THIS YEAR WE HAVE THREE NEW
THREE NEW AREAS I WILL GO OVER
BRIEFLY WE WILL TALK ABOUT HER
DUMPSTER PROGRAM AND WORKING
WITH LANDFILLS AND SOME OF THE
CHANGES WE HAVE COMING THIS
FALL FOR OUR CWD SURVEILLANCE
IN LIGHT OF COVID AND I WILL
CONCLUDE WITH AN UPDATE ON OUR
SOUTHEAST DEER MOVEMENT STUDY. 
FROM LAST YEAR WE HAD A VERY
SUCCESSFUL EFFORT IN COLLECTING
SAMPLES WE HAD NEARLY 18,000
SAMPLES COLLECTED DURING THE
HUNTING SEASON YOU CAN SEE ON
THE SLIDE THE FOCUS WAS THE
NORTH CENTRAL AREA WHICH IS
AROUND BRAINERD, WE HAD THE
CENTRAL AREA AROUND MEEKER
COUNTY AND A LOT IN THE
SOUTHEAST.  WE DID FIND 23 NEW
23 NEW POSITIVES THROUGH THE
FALL HUNTING SEASON LAST SEASON
AND ALL OF THOSE WERE IN
SOUTHEAST MINNESOTA WE DID NOT
FIND ANY POSITIVE DETECTIONS IN
OUR NORTH CENTRAL ZONE OR IN
THE CENTRAL AREA.  ADDITIONALLY
AFTER THE MAIN HUNTING SEASON
WE COLLECTED ANOTHER THOUSAND
SAMPLES THROUGH SOME LATE
HUNTING IN THE SOUTHEAST WE HAD
SOME LAND OWNER SHOOTING
PERMITS AND WE DID A WINTER
AGENCY CULLING EFFORTS WITH THE
USDA TARGETING AREAS WHERE THE
DISEASE WAS DETECTED IN THE
FALL SO THAT WAS FOCUSED ON
SPECIFIC SECTIONS IN SOUTHEAST
MINNESOTA.  THROUGH THAT WORK
WE DID IDENTIFY ANOTHER 10
TEN POSITIVES AGAIN ALL IN THE
SAME AREA AND SOUTHEAST
MINNESOTA WE KNOW WE HAVE THE
DISEASE AND ADDITIONALLY WE HAD
OVER 350 DEER SAMPLED ACROSS
THE STATE THAT CAME TO US FROM
VARIOUS CAUSES WHETHER THEY
WERE REPORTED SICK OR
ROADKILL'S OR FOUND DEAD AND WE
DID FIND THREE MORE POSITIVES
THREE MORE POSITIVES THAT WAY
AGAIN IN THE SOUTHEAST TO DATE
WE SAMPLED OVER 90,000 YEARS
SINCE 2002 AND WE'VE HAD 88
88 TOTAL POSITIVE CASES THAT'S
IN SIX COUNTIES OLMSTED
SIX COUNTIES OLMSTED FILLMORE,
WINONA, HOUSTON, CROW WING AND
DAKOTA.  WHERE WE HAVE THE
DISEASE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT
IS IN FILLMORE COUNTY THIS IS
THE OUTBREAK WE BEEN MANAGING
SINCE 2016 AS YOU CAN SEE THE
PREVALENCE IS STILL REALLY LOW
SO WE ARE AT 1% THIS LAST YEAR
WE BELIEVE WE HAVE AN INFECTION
PERSISTING IN THIS AREA AND
THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEEN A FOCUS
OF OUR EFFORT FOR THE WINTER IS
TRYING TO NOT HAVE THIS DISEASE
SPREAD OUTSIDE THIS AREA IN
TRYING TO LOWER PREVALENCE OF
POSSIBLE AND TRY TO MAINTAIN
LOW DISEASE IN THIS AREA IF WE
CAN'T DRIVE IT IN THE OTHER
DIRECTION INTO LESS DISEASE
WHICH WOULD BE IDEAL.  THIS
PAST YEAR WE SPENT OVER $2.7
MILLION UNDER CWD WORK ON THIS
SLIDE YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE
BREAKDOWN OF THOSE COSTS THE
WORK OF COLLECTING THE SAMPLES
AND TESTING THEM IS EXTREMELY
EXPENSIVE BETWEEN STAFF TIME
AND THE VARIOUS CONTRACTS TO
GET THE WORK DONE THAT'S A HUGE
AMOUNT OF THIS COST COMING INTO
THAT EFFORT.  WE ALSO
CONTRACTED WITH THE USDA FOR
THE CULLING ASSISTANCE THE
DUMPSTER PROGRAM IS IN HERE FOR
OVER $185,000 THEN WE HAD
RESEARCH PROJECTS THAT WE BEEN
WORKING ON WITH THE CW THE DEER
MOVEMENT AND GENETICS AND THE
SOURCES OF THIS MONEY LARGELY
CAME FROM THE GENERAL FUND
APPROPRIATION OF $1.5 MILLION
SPENT THERE THE GAME AND FISH
APPROPRIATION AND ALSO DNR
DEDICATED ACCOUNTS.  LOOKING
FORWARD INTO 2020 INTO THIS
2020 INTO THIS FALL AS I
MENTIONED WE HAVE THESE THREE
THREE NEW AREAS OF DISEASE I
WILL WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE
BRIEFLY BUT TO ORIENT YOU WITH
THE STATE PICTURED WERE TALKING
ABOUT THE WEST CENTRAL
SURVEILLANCE AN AREA AROUND
DOUGLAS COUNTY, WE HAVE IN EAST
CENTRAL SURVEILLANCE AREA THIS
IS IN PINE COUNTY AND THEN WE
HAVE A NEW CWD MANAGEMENT ZONE
IN DAKOTA COUNTY WE WILL
CONTINUE TO HAVE WORK GOING IN
THE NORTH CENTRAL AREA AROUND
BRAINERD AND IN THE SOUTHEAST
WHERE WE HAVE ALL OF THE
INFECTION WE BEEN FINDING.  WE
DID SUCCESSFULLY DISCONTINUE
THE CENTRAL SURVEILLANCE AREA
AROUND MEEKER COUNTY AFTER WE
HAD THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF
TESTING OVER 4,000 DEER AND NOT
FINDING ANY DISEASE IN THAT
AREA WAS CREATED BECAUSE OF A
CERVID FOUND FOUND POSITIVE
SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE DID NOT
FIND ANY DISEASE IN THE WILD
THERE AND WE DISCONTINUED THAT
PROGRAM.  IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT
DOUGLAS COUNTY BRIEFLY, THERE
WAS A CERVID FARM FOUND
POSITIVE THERE THAT HAD TO
ANIMALS ONE OF THEM WAS
POSITIVE THE FEMALE IN THE MAIL
WAS NOT DETECTED AND THIS FARM
WAS REALLY NEW IT ONLY HAD BEEN
PRESENT FOR ABOUT 10 MONTHS
TEN MONTHS BEFORE THE DISEASE
WAS FOUND ON THE FACILITY AND
THE SOURCE OF THE ANIMAL THAT
WAS INFECTED CAME FROM PINE
COUNTY.  WE DID VISIT THE SITE
AND DID SOME SURVEILLANCE
SURVEY FLIGHT TO LOOK AT DEER
ABUNDANCE PRESENCE NEAR THE
FARM TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF
RISK, FORTUNATELY THIS AREA WAS
VERY OPEN IT DIDN'T HAVE A LOT
OF GOOD COVER FOR DEER AROUND
THE FACILITY SO THE IDEA FENCE
LINE CONTACT WAS MINIMALIZED
BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUT OF THE
LAND AND WE DID NOT FIND A LOT
OF DEER PRESENT IN THE AREA. 
GIVEN THE RISK FACTORS WERE
LOWER WITH THIS FARM BECAUSE
THE ANIMALS WERE THEREFORE LESS
TIME AND AGAIN LAST YEAR
PRESENCE AROUND THE FACILITY WE
OPPORTUNITY TO TRY A NEWER
SURVEILLANCE MODEL CALLED
RISK-BASED SURVEILLANCE MODEL
WHICH HAS BEEN USED IN SEVERAL
OTHER STATES AND INSTEAD OF
COLLECTING WITH THIS IDEA A SET
AMOUNT OF DEER IT TAKES INTO
ACCOUNT THE AGE SEX AND MAKEUP
OF THE DEER IN THE SAMPLE
GIVING MORE WEIGHT TO OLDER BOX
OR DEER THAT HAVE CLINICAL
SYMPTOMS OF SICKNESS THAT GIVE
YOU A HIGHER VALUE SAMPLE
BECAUSE THE HAVE A HIGHER
LIKELIHOOD TO HAVE THE DISEASE.
 THIS EFFORT BUILDS IN A POINT
SYSTEM THAT TARGETS EACH AREA
BASED ON THE AGE SEX STRUCTURE
OF THE SAMPLE.  WE ALSO LOOKED
AT OTHER FACTORS TO INFLUENCE
HOW MANY POINTS WE BELIEVE WE
NEED TO COLLECT BASED ON DEER
DENSITY IN THE AREA PRESENCE OF
CERVID FARMS DISTANCE TO OTHER
WILD POSITIVES AND WE'VE SET
THESE SURVEILLANCE GOALS.  THIS
HOPEFULLY WILL BE VERY
SUCCESSFUL IN THIS AREA AND
SOMETHING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO
IMPLEMENT ACROSS OTHER AREAS OF
THE STATE AND THE FUTURE SO
WERE EXCITED TO SEE HOW THIS
RISK BASE MODEL WORKS IN OUR
PINE COUNTY AREA IT'S A LITTLE
DIFFERENCE IN AREA THIS IS
AGAIN IS THE FARM WHERE THE ONE
ONE POSITIVE EMAIL FROM DOUGLAS
COUNTY WAS PURCHASED THIS FARM
HAD MORE INFECTION IN ADDITION
TO AN ANIMAL THAT DIED ON THE
FARM THAT WAS TESTED FOR CWD
AND FOUND POSITIVE WE DID FIND
FIVE CASES TOTAL OUT OF THE
NINE DEER IN THAT HERD.  AFTER
THEY WERE DEPOPULATED THIS
SCENARIO IS A HIGHER RISK FOR
THE WILD DEER BECAUSE THERE'S
GREATER DEER DENSITY AROUND
THAT FARM IT'S VERY WOODED
REALLY CLOSE TO THE WISCONSIN
BORDER SO A LOT MORE DEER
PRESENT AT AGAIN THEY HAD DEER
INTERACTION AT THE FENCE LINE
EVIDENCE OF TRACKS RIGHT
OUTSIDE THE FACILITIES A LOT
MORE RISK FOR THERE TO HAVE
BEEN SOME TRANSMISSION
POTENTIAL.  IN THIS AREA WE
HAVE A NEW SURVEILLANCE AREA
CREATED YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED
HERE IN THE SLIDE CALLING THIS
THE EAST CENTRAL SURVEILLANCE
AREA WE ARE TRYING TO COLLECT A
TOTAL OF 1000 SAMPLES DURING
1,000 SAMPLES DURING THE DEER
HUNTING SEASON AND HOPEFULLY WE
DO NOT FIND THE DISEASE WILL BE
DOING THIS WORK FOR AT LEAST
THREE YEARS WHICH IS THE
INCUBATION TIME FOR THE CWD ON
THE HIGH-END WERE COMMUNICATING
WITH WISCONSIN AND ASSURED OUR
MAPS AND PLANS AND ARE
ENCOURAGING SURVEILLANCE TO
INCREASE ON THEIR SIDE OF THE
BORDER ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE SOME
ADDITIONAL LIMITATIONS THIS
YEAR IN WISCONSIN FOR HOW MUCH
SURVEILLANCE BILL BE
CONDUCTING.  WE WILL CONTINUE
TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH THEM.
 IN OUR DAKOTA COUNTY AREA THIS
WAS A NEW AREA WHERE WE FOUND
THE DISEASE IN WILD DEER THE
ACTUAL DEER IS PICTURED HERE ON
THE SLIDE THIS ANIMAL WAS
REPORTED FROM A MEMBER OF THE
PUBLIC AS INITIATED EXHIBITING
NEUROLOGIC BEHAVIOR OF REALLY
POOR CONDITION AND WAS
DISPATCHED BY A CONSERVATION
OFFICER IN THE CARCASS WAS
BROUGHT TO THE INNER-CITY
MINNESOTA DIAGNOSTIC LAB FOR A
FULL NECROPSY AND IT WAS
CONCLUDED CWD WAS THE CAUSE OF
THIS ANIMALS ILLNESS AS YOU CAN
SEE IN THE SLIDE WE HAVEN'T
DONE A LOT OF SURVEILLANCE IN
THE SOUTH METRO AREA FOR QUITE
SOME TIME.  THIS IS NOT ONLY A
NEW DETECTION IN THE WILD BUT
WITHOUT GOOD HISTORICAL
INFORMATION TO KNOW HOW LONG
THIS MAY BE HERE WHERE IT CAME
FROM, AND HOW LARGE OF A
PROBLEM WE ARE DEALING WITH SO
TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT WE NOT ONLY
HAVE CREATED A NEW PERMIT AREA
CALLED 605 THAT ENCOMPASSES A
50 MILE RADIUS AROUND THE NEW
POSITIVE DOUBT TO NAVIGABLE
BOUNDARIES WE ALSO HAVE A
SURVEILLANCE AREA SURROUNDING
IT KIND OF A BUFFER AREA WERE
GOING TO TRY TO COLLECT 750
750 SAMPLES TO BASICALLY SEE
HOW EXTENSIVE THIS DISEASE MAY
BE IN THE AREA AND GIVE US SOME
MORE CONFIDENCE THAT IF IT IS
REALLY LOCALIZED IN DAKOTA
COUNTY WERE GOING TO HAVE
ENOUGH SAMPLES TO HELP INFORM
HOW MUCH DISEASE IS IN THE
LANDSCAPE HERE.  THIS WORK WILL
CONTINUE FOR AT LEAST THREE
THREE YEARS WITH A NEW BOUNDARY
LIKE 605 BEING CREATED AS A
MANAGEMENT ZONE THAT COMES WITH
A DUMPSTER PROGRAM WILL GO
THERE WE WILL HAVE MANDATORY
CARCASS MOVEMENT RESTRICTIONS
LIKE OUR OTHER MANAGEMENT AREAS
SO WHEN THERE IS KNOWN DISEASE
IN THE WILD WE HAVE A LOT MORE
TOOLS WE USE TO TRY TO KEEP IT
FROM SPREADING OUTSIDE OF THAT
AREA.  THOSE ARE THE THREE NEW
THREE NEW AREAS AND WE WILL BE
MAINTAINING ALL OF THE
SURVEILLANCE LEVELS AND EFFORTS
WE BEEN DOING IN NORTH-CENTRAL
AND SOUTHEAST MANAGEMENT ZONES
AND CONTROL AREAS AS WE DID
LAST YEAR THERE'S NO CHANGES IN
THE ZONES THE SAME BOUNDARIES
WE WILL HAVE SAMPLING AVAILABLE
FOR THE DURATION OF ALL FIREARM
SEASONS IN THESE AREAS THE
CARCASS MOVEMENT RESTRICTIONS
CONTINUE AND THERE WILL BE
DUMPSTERS THROUGHOUT THESE
ZONES ERY SIMILAR TO LAST
YEAR.  ON THE DUMPSTER PROGRAM
JAMIE IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE.
 CAN YOU HEAR ME I'M THE
OPERATIONS AND DEVELOPMENT
SUPERVISOR FOR FISH AND
WILDLIFE AT THE DNR.  THIS YEAR
I CAME ON BOARD WITH WILDLIFE
HEALTH TO ASSIST WITH THE
DUMPSTER PROGRAM AND ALL OF THE
COORDINATION THAT TAKES PLACE
TO GET THE DUMPSTERS ON THE
LANDSCAPE LAST YEAR THE EFFORT
WAS LED BY A STAFF MEMBER WHO
RETIRED THE SPRING SO IT'S ME
NOW WE HAD OVER 200 DUNS OF
200 DUNS OF DEER WASTE
GENERATED LAST YEAR AS MICHELLE
MENTIONED THE COST WAS ABOUT
$185,000.  FOR GOING TO
CONTINUE THE DUMPSTER PROGRAM
IN THE NORTH CENTRAL AND
SOUTHEAST WE ADDED DUMPSTERS IN
THE METRO IN AREA 605 WE HAVE A
TOTAL OF 33 DUMPSTER LOCATIONS
33 DUMPSTER LOCATIONS THERE ARE
SIX IN THE NORTH-CENTRAL SEVEN
SEVEN IN THE METRO AND 20 IN
20 IN THE SOUTHEAST.  ALL BIDS
WERE OUT ACTUALLY MOST OF THEM
WERE DUE BACK YESTERDAY WE ARE
ALREADY BUSY PUTTING CONTRACTS
IN PLACE THERE ARE A FEW BIDS
THAT WERE LITTLE DELAYED
GETTING OUT OF THE OFFICE THERE
DUE ON THE THIRD AND IT'S GOING
WELL WE HAD A LOT OF INTEREST
WE WERE ABLE TO BID OUT TO
LOCAL VENDORS, WE HAD WASTE
MANAGEMENT DECLINE SO WE HAD AN
EXEMPTION TO BYPASS HAVING TO
SOLICIT DIRECTLY FROM THEM AND
AND THE REQUIRE FUNCTIONAL LIDS
THIS TIME WE INCLUDED
PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT WE EXPECT
FOR LIDS AND WERE REQUIRING
PHOTOGRAPHS BACK OF WHAT THEIR
DUMPSTERS LOOK LIKE FROM THE
VENDORS.  WE HAVE CONTACTED
SOME DEER HUNTING GROUPS AND
THERE HAVE BEEN DEER HUNTING
GROUPS THAT AND OTHER
SPORTSMEN'S GROUPS THAT HAVE
CONTACTED US WITH INTEREST IN
SUPPORTING THE PROGRAM, BUT WE
ARE DOING IS MORE
DATA-GATHERING THIS YEAR WE
LOVE DATA AT THE DNR WERE GOING
TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT GROUPS
WITH TOTAL COSTS FOR DUMPSTER
SITES WITH HOPES THAT MOVING
INTO 2021 WE WILL BE ABLE TO
HAVE GROUPS ADOPT AN ENTIRE
SITE FOR THE ENTIRE DURATION OF
THE DUMPSTERS LIFECYCLE THAT'S
WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THE
ADOPTED DUMPSTER PROGRAM.
 THANK YOU JAMIE.  DAVE BENKE
ARE YOU AVAILABLE.
 YES I AM MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE I'M DAY BENKE
DIRECTOR OF RESOURCE MANAGEMENT
IN THE ASSISTANCE DIVISION AT
THE MPCA.  ONCE YOU PUT THE
DUMPSTERS OUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE
A PLACE FOR THAT WASTE TO GO
AND THAT'S WHERE THE AGENCY
COMES IN WE BEEN WORKING WITH
THE AREAS FOR SURVEILLANCE
TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A
DISPOSAL LOCATION THAT CAN
MATCH THE RFPS THAT ARE PUT OUT
THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR EACH ONE
ONE OF THE AREAS.  WE KNOW IF
THE DEER GETS LEFT ON THE
LANDSCAPE THAT'S THE WORST
THING THAT CAN HAPPEN SO
GETTING THOSE INTO A LANDFILL
OR INTO A DISPOSAL SYSTEM IS
THE BEST THING.  MAKING SURE WE
HAVE THAT CONTAINED AND
PROPERLY DISPOSED RIGHT NOW WE
HAVE NOT SEEN ANY RESEARCH THAT
THERE'S A HEALTH RISK
ASSOCIATED WITH A LANDFILL THE
ADVISORY IS ON WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE WE GET THE BUTCHER REMAINS
DISPOSED OF PROPERLY SO LIKE I
SAID WE BEEN ASSISTING THE DNR
IDENTIFYING LANDFILLS WITH
WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITIES TO
IDENTIFY INCINERATOR OPTIONS
THAT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR THE
DUMPSTER PROGRAMS IN THE AREAS
OF SURVEILLANCE.  IN THE WEST
CENTRAL WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING
THINGS AT A WASTE FACILITY TO
MANAGE THE WASTE IN THAT AREA
WE'VE HAD SOME POSITIVE
FEEDBACK FROM THEM THIS WON'T
BE THE SAME LEVEL OF NUMBERS IS
A TARGETED NUMBER OF SAMPLES
THROUGH THE DNR BECAUSE IT'S
NOT A WILD POPULATION IT'S A
CAPTIVE HEARD THE SAME THING
WITH THE EAST CENTRAL AND WE
HAVE LANDFILLS THAT ARE
AVAILABLE IN THAT AREA WE'VE
ADVISED THE LANDFILLS ON HOW TO
MANAGE THE PRIONS TO REDUCE THE
RISK THE SAME THING IN THE
SOUTH METRO WITH THE LOCAL
LANDFILLS THERE TO HELP MANAGE
THINGS.  IN THE NORTH-CENTRAL
YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM A PREVIOUS
CONVERSATION THAT CROW WING
COUNTY PUT IN PLACE AN AIR
CURTAIN INCINERATOR TO MANAGE
THE CARCASSES THIS WAS A WILD
POPULATION SO IT WAS A
MANDATORY TESTING ON A HIGHER
VOLUME OF MATERIAL OF NOT ONLY
THE HUNTERS BUT FROM A LOCAL
BUTCHERS AND VENISON PROCESSORS
SO THE AIR CURTAIN INCINERATOR
HAS WORKED WELL IN TERMS OF
MANAGING WHAT COMES IN WE
LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HOW TO USE
IT AND WILL CONTINUE THAT IN
THAT AREA IN THE SOUTHEAST
WE'VE UTILIZED THE LA CROSSE
COUNTY LANDFILL THEY BEEN
MANAGING DEER CARCASSES AND
REMAINS FROM WISCONSIN FOR A
NUMBER OF YEARS AND A LOT OF
THE WASTE GENERATED IN THE
SOUTHEAST ENDS GOING IN THAT
DIRECTION SO MANAGING IT
DIRECTLY MADE A LOT OF SENSE
WERE STILL WORKING WITH OLMSTED
COUNTY IN THAT SURVEILLANCE
AREA IN THEIR WASTE TO ENERGY
SYSTEM IS TRYING TO FIND AN
OPTION THERE IN CASE THERE SOME
TYPE OF CARCASS RESTRICTIONS
WITH WISCONSIN OR MOVEMENT
RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD REQUIRE
US TO MANAGE THOSE IN THE
STATE.  IN TERMS OF ACTUAL THE
CWD POSITIVE DEER THE DNR STILL
TRIES TO RECOVER THOSE ANY
CONFIRMED ONES THEY RECOVER
THEY USE THE ALKALINE DIGESTER
FOR DISPOSAL WERE TRYING TO
MINIMIZE THE RISK FOR THE WASTE
IN THE LANDSCAPE AND MAKING
SURE WE COULD HAVE A POSITIVE
IMPACT ON WHAT'S GOING ON BY
NOT HAVING DEER LEFT ON THE
LANDSCAPE FOR POTENTIAL
EXPOSURE.
 THANK YOU DAVE.  JUST A FEW
MORE SLIDES FOR ME I WANTED TO
MENTION WE DID EXPAND OUR DEER
FEEDING AND ATTRACTANT BAND
BECAUSE OF THE NEW DETECTIONS
IN THREE AREAS OF THE STATE
THAT ALSO EXPANDED ACCORDINGLY.
 WE HAVE NEW PLACES WHERE
FEEDING OR FEEDING OR
ATTRACTANTS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN
ADDITION TO THE ATTRACTANTS IS
ALWAYS WHEN WE HAVE THE DISEASE
IN THE WILD SO WERE TRYING TO
MINIMIZE THE CHANCE THAT DEER
BEING DRAWN INTO THE AREA OF
POTENTIAL EXCHANGING FLUIDS SO
DR. LARSON WAS DISCUSSING
EARLIER.  TALKING ABOUT 2020
2020 MORE SPECIFICALLY, WE DID
CHANGE ROM THE MANDATORY
SAMPLING THAT WE HAD DONE IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO A
VOLUNTARY BASED EFFORT THIS IS
TO MINIMIZE THE CHANCES OF
DISEASE TRANSMISSION BETWEEN
HUNTERS TWEEN HUNTERS AND OUR
STAFF THE HUNTERS AND THE
STUDENTS WE HAVE WORKING WITH
US BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO
FORCE A REQUIREMENT THAT FOLKS
HAD TO INTERACT WHEN THEY
DIDN'T FEEL SAFE.  OUR SAMPLING
GOALS FOR THIS YEAR ARE
DESIGNED TO MAINTAIN A HIGH
LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE IN ALL OF
OUR AREAS WE ARE EXPECTING 99%
CONFIDENCE WE CAN DETECT THE
DISEASE IN THERE IN GREATER
THAN 1% OF THE POPULATION WE
BELIEVE ARE GOING TO GET GOOD
INFORMATION ON WHAT THE DISEASE
IS AND ISN'T WITH THIS EFFORT
HUNTERS THAT DO NOT MAKE IT TO
A CWD SELF-SERVICE STATION CAN
HAVE AN OPTION TO MAKE AN
APPOINTMENT WITH THE WILDLIFE
STAFF SO WE ARE SETTING UP THAT
ABILITY WHERE THEY STAY IN THE
TRUCK AND THE DNR STAFF PERSON
CAN COME OUT AND MEET WITH THEM
AND THIS CAN HAPPEN BY
APPOINTMENT.  WE MADE
PARTNERSHIPS WITH OVER 50
50 TAXIDERMY IN THE ZONES TO
COLLECT SAMPLES FOR US AND WE
PAY THEM A FEE AND WERE ALSO
PARTNERING WITH SOME MEAT
PROCESSORS AS A NEW EFFORT TO
SEE HOW THAT CAN WORK AND
POTENTIALLY BE ANOTHER SOURCE
OF SAMPLES IN THE FUTURE.  AS I
MENTIONED EARLIER THE CARCASS
MOVEMENT RESTRICTIONS STAY IN
PLACE FOR ALL OF OUR DISEASE
MANAGEMENT AREAS AND WHERE WE
INTEND TO ACTUALLY TAKE THE
SAMPLES THIS YEAR WILL ALL BE
EXTRACTION SITES AT THE DNR
BUILDINGS STAFF BY DNR STAFF
AND THE UNIVERSITY STUDENTS AS
WELL.  OUR COMMUNICATIONS ARE
CONTINUING AT A HIGH LEVEL IN
ADDITION TO PRESS RELEASES AND
DEER NOTES WE PUT OUT ON SOCIAL
MEDIA BLASTS ABOUT CWD WE HAVE
ALL THE INFORMATION IN THIS
YEARS REGULATION BOOKS THAT
INCLUDES WHERE OUR STATIONS ARE
AND ALL OF THE THINGS WE TALKED
ABOUT THAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE
BOOK WE KEEP THE WEBSITE UP TO
DATE ALL THE TIME FOR ANY
CHANGES AND DIRECT FOLKS THERE
FOR LOCATIONS OF THE DUMPSTERS
AS AN EXAMPLE AND HOW TO FIND
THOSE.  WE HAVE NEW METAL SIGNS
FOR PUBLIC LANDS TO MAKE SURE
FOLKS KNOW IF THERE AT A WMA
WHETHER THERE IN A CWD
MANAGEMENT ZONE ARE NOT WERE
INCREASING OUR SIGNAGE AT HER
STATIONS TO MAKE SURE THE
SELF-SERVICE STATIONS ARE MORE
VISIBLE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE
SURE THE DUMPSTERS ARE VISIBLE
WITH MORE SIGNAGE AND LARGER
SIGNAGE THAT WE WERE USING LAST
YEAR IN CERTAIN SITES WE'VE
UPDATED SOME OF OUR VIDEOS FOR
HELPING HUNTERS UNDERSTAND HOW
TO TAKE DEER AND QUARTER DEER
IF THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE
ZONE AND WERE ALSO DOING SOME
MASS MAILINGS FOR HUNTERS THAT
ARE LICENSED IN THESE NEW
PERMIT AREAS THAT WE ARE
WORKING IN SO THEY KNOW FOR
SURE THAT THERE'S A CHANGE TO
THE HUNTING THERE USED TO SO
ANY OF THESE NEW ZONES I TALKED
ABOUT THE THREE NEW AREAS ALL
LICENSED HUNTERS WHO HUNT
TYPICALLY IN THOSE PERMIT AREAS
WILL BE GETTING A MAILING FROM
THE DNR VERY SOON TO LET THEM
KNOW OF THE CHANGES.  BRIEFLY,
I WANTED TO TALK QUICKLY ABOUT
THE DEER MOVEMENT STUDY IN THE
SOUTHEAST WHICH IS LARGELY
FUNDED BY THE LCCMR DOLLARS. 
WERE IN THE THIRD YEAR HERE
WITH THIS WE HAVE SOME REALLY
INTERESTING INFORMATION WE
SHARED IN A FINAL REPORT TO THE
LCCMR IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED
I'D BE HAPPY TO FORWARD THE
REPORT TO THE COMMITTEE.  WHAT
AN INTERESTING MOVING DYNAMICS
WERE SEEING IN THE YEARLING
DEER THEIR COLORED AS FONTS IN
THE FIRST WINTER WERE LOOKING
TO SEE HOW FAR THEY DISPERSE
AND HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO TAKE
DISEASE WITH THEM.  IT'S GOOD
TO KNOW THE VAST MAJORITY OF
DEER ARE STAYING CLOSE ENOUGH
TO THEIR NATAL RANGES THAT
THEIR WELL CONTAINED WITHIN THE
BOUNDS OF OUR CURRENT CWD
MANAGEMENT AREAS SORE 15 MILE
15 MILE BUFFERS TEND TO BE
SUFFICIENT FOR DISPERSAL EVENTS
ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME
ANOMALIES TO THAT WITH SOME
LONG DISTANCE MOVERS AS YOU CAN
SEE IN THE MAP OF THE GRAY DOTS
INDICATING SOME MOVED INTO IOWA
SOME MOVED NORTH BUT THE
DIRECTION OF MOVEMENT IS VERY
INTERESTING THAT IT'S BEEN TO
THE WEST SO THESE DEER THAT ARE
PRIMARILY COLLARED AROUND
PRESTON AND FILLMORE PERIPHERY
ARE NOT MOVING TOWARDS
WISCONSIN IN ANY OF THE CASES
WE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR MOVERS
THEY ARE MOVING WEST SLIGHTLY
SOUTH OR SLIGHTLY NORTH BUT IN
THE WESTERN DIRECTION WHICH
GIVES US MORE INFORMATION TO
CONTINUE OUR BUFFER AREAS AND
COLLECT SAMPLES IN THAT
DIRECTION TO SAFEGUARD FOR
DISEASE SPREAD IN THAT AREA. 
ONE THING WE ARE LOOKING FOR
THIS COMING WINTER WHEN WE HAVE
ONE MORE YEAR OF CATCHING
ANIMALS IS TO TRY TO FILL IN
THE GAP IN THE HOUSTON COUNTY
AREA TO SEE IF DEER ALONG THE
RIVER IN THAT AREA ARE ACTUALLY
EXCHANGING WITH WISCONSIN OR
NOT AND CAN WE PICK UP SOME OF
THESE MOVEMENTS THAT MIGHT
INDICATE DISEASE ACROSS THE
BORDER AND ACROSS THE RIVER IN
PARTICULAR OR DIRECTION CLOSER
TO WHERE IOWA HAS THEIR LARGEST
INFECTION WHICH IS IN A
NORTHERN COUNTY IF THERE'S ANY
MORE INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT
WE HAVE A LOT ONLINE IN THE
WEBSITE FOR THE STUDY AND I'D
BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH THE
REPORTS TO MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE WHERE WE ARE
CURRENTLY WITH THIS PROJECT AND
WITH THAT I WANTED TO SAY IN
SUMMARY CWD REMAINS A RARE
DISEASE IN MINNESOTA WHICH IS
STILL A GOOD THING.  WE DO HAVE
IT IN CERTAIN AREAS BUT WE HAVE
IT AT LOW LEVELS AND WE ARE
WORKING DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO
CONTINUE TO HAVE IT BE LESS
PRESENT OR AT LEAST LESS RISK
IN PARTS OF OUR STATE WE HAVE
AN AGGRESSIVE APPROACH THAT'S
MAINTAINED THROUGH OUR HUNTING
SEASON EVEN THOUGH OUR SAMPLING
BECAME VOLUNTARY WE HAVE
CHANGED NOTHING IN OUR
AGGRESSIVE APPROACH TO MANAGING
THE DISEASE WITH A NUMBER OF
AVAILABLE LICENSES AND TAGS IN
OUR HARVEST STRATEGIES WERE
GOING TO CONTINUE WITH CALLING
THIS COMING WINTER ALL THOSE
TOOLS ARE STILL IN PLACE AND
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN TRYING
TO MANAGE THIS DISEASE WE WILL
ADAPT AS WE CAN TO MAKE SURE WE
REMAIN AN EFFECTIVE IN OUR WORK
AND WE CANNOT BE SUCCESSFUL
WITHOUT THE HELP OF OUR HUNTERS
AND COOPERATORS IN BUSINESSES
AND LANDOWNERS IN THIS EFFORT
WE HAVE TO BE IN THIS TOGETHER
TO MAKE SURE WE COULD DO THE
BEST WE CAN FOR THIS RESOURCE. 
WITH THAT I WILL TAKE ANY
QUESTIONS THE COMMITTEE'S MAY
HAVE OR THE CO-PRESENTERS.
 DR. CARSTENSEN COULD YOU
FOLLOW-UP ON THE
REPRESENTATIVELY QUESTION
EARLIER ON OUTREACH AND
ENGAGEMENT OF THE SOUTHEAST
ASIAN COMMUNITY.
 YES MR. CHAIR I CAN I BELIEVE
WHAT WAS REFERENCE THERE WAS
THE FACT WE HAVE CONDUCTED BOTH
LAND OWNER AND HUNTER SURVEYS
IN SOUTHEAST MINNESOTA WHERE WE
HAVE THE DISEASE AT THE HIGHEST
LEVELS OF ANYWHERE IN THE STATE
AND IN THOSE SURVEYS THE
HUNTING PUBLIC THAT IT
REGISTERED DEER IN THOSE AREAS
WERE ALL ENCOURAGED TO
PARTICIPATE SO I BELIEVE
DR. WOLF WAS REFERENCING THAT
THE SOUTHEAST ASIAN HUNTERS
WERE ALREADY PART OF THE
OUTREACH FOR THE HUNTER SURVEY
AND THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN
ANALYZED AND IS AVAILABLE IN
THE REPORT OF HAPPY TO SHARE
WITH THE COMMITTEE SO I THINK
WHAT SHE REFERENCED WAS THE
HUNTING COMMUNITY ENGAGED IN
THAT SURVEY INCLUDED SOUTHEAST
ASIAN HUNTERS AS WELL THEY
WEREN'T SPECIFICALLY TARGETED
THEY WERE REPRESENTED AS THE
HUNTING COMMUNITY SURVEYED AT
 REPRESENTATIVELY.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR I WILL
FOLLOW UP WITH THE DNR AND
UNIVERSITY OFF-LINE.
 REPRESENTATIVE BECKER FINN.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FIRST I
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK
YOU'RE DOING IN THE OUTREACH TO
THE TAXIDERMIST AND MEAT
PROCESSORS THAT'S SORT OF AN
OBVIOUS GROUP TO BE REACHING
OUT TO AS FAR AS GETTING THE
SAMPLES BUT I THINK THAT'S
IMPORTANT STEP IN MAKING SURE
WERE WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO
KNOW HOW TO FIND THE RIGHT
SAMPLES I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT
WORK IS HAPPENING.  AS FAR AS
THE OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC, ARE
WE ARE YOU DOING SOME OF THE
OUTREACH AT LIKE LICENSED
SELLERS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE
ZONES FOR EXAMPLE I USUALLY BUY
MY LICENSE AND PICK UP MY
BOOKLET AT JOSEPH
SPORTING-GOODS IN LITTLE CANADA
BUT I DON'T HUNT IN RAMSEY
COUNTY I HUNT IN OTHER COUNTIES
THROUGHOUT THE STATE IS THAT
OUTREACH AND SIGNAGE HAPPENING
AT OTHER LARGE LICENSED SELLERS
OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL CWD ZO
ZONES.
 MR. CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE
BECKER FINN I DON'T BELIEVE WE
ARE PUTTING UP SIGNS OR POSTERS
AT BIG-GAME STATIONS OUTSIDE OF
OUR SURVEILLANCE AREAS OR
MANAGEMENT ZONES.  THAT IS NOT
TO MY UNDERSTANDING AND EFFORT
THAT WE ARE DOING THERE IS
POSTERS AND SIGNAGE FOR
BIG-GAME REGISTRATION STATIONS
INSIDE THE ZONES THAT BEING
SAID, AS THIS INFORMATION IS
AVAILABLE IN THE HUNTING
REGULATIONS AS WELL IF THE
HUNTER OUTSIDE OF AN AREA IS
BUYING A LICENSE AND RECEIVES
THE BOOKLET THE CWD INFORMATION
IS WELL WITHIN THE BOOKLET BUT
NOT SPECIFICALLY ON A POSTER AT
THOSE SITES.
 REPRESENTATIVE BECKER FINN.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.  I WOULD
ENCOURAGE YOU TO RECONSIDER
THAT WE KNOW THE NUMBER OF
LICENSES SOLD IN RAMSEY AND
HENNEPIN COUNTY THOSE OF THE
HIGHEST NUMBER OF LICENSES SOLD
BUT OBVIOUSLY THE VAST MAJORITY
OF US DON'T HUNT IN RAMSEY AND
HENNEPIN COUNTY THAT'S WHERE WE
LIVE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE
PROBABLY NOT EXPENSIVE I'M SURE
YOU COULD SEE WHERE THE TOP
SELLERS ARE I'M SURE IT'S
CABELA'S IN THE SPORTING-GOODS
PLACES BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE
YOU TO RECONSIDER THAT AND MAKE
SURE WERE DOING THE OUTREACH TO
THOSE HUNTERS AS WELL BECAUSE I
HAVE MY BOOKLET HERE BUT
OBVIOUSLY AS WE KNOW THAT'S A
LOT OF INFORMATION IN SMALL
PRINT SO I THINK MAKING SURE
THAT'S REALLY HIGHLIGHTED IS
GOING TO BE IMPORTANT.  MY
FINAL QUESTION IS WHEN YOU'RE
DOING THE OUTREACH NOW THAT WE
HAVE THIS METRO ZONE IS
OUTREACH BEING DONE TO ANY OF
THE CITIES THAT DO THEIR OWN
CALLING AS WELL SO THAT THIS
CHANGE IS HAPPENING IN CITIES
COULD MAYBE CHOOSE TO DO THEIR
OWN OUTREACH TO THEIR
COMMUNITIES THROUGH WHETHER
IT'S THEIR PARKS BOARD OR
WHATEVER IT IS WHERE THAT WOULD
FALL INTO THEIR JURISDICTION
BECAUSE I KNOW IN MY SUBURBAN
CITIES SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE
DEER CALLING THAT HAPPENS
BECAUSE THE POPULATION IS SO
HIGH AND WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH
THE DEER CONGREGATING IN
CERTAIN AREAS SO I WAS
WONDERING WHAT KIND OF OUTREACH
IS HAPPENING TO MUNICIPALITIES
AND SMALLER LEVEL LOCAL
GOVERNMENT.
 DR. CRSTENSEN BEFORE YOU
ANSWER COULD YOU TAKE YOUR
SCREEN DOWN THAT WOULD MAKE IT
EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO SEE.
 MR. CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE
BECKER FINN ON THE FIRST POINT
I AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTION
ABOUT CONTINUING OUTREACH FOR
SOME OF THOSE OTHER BIG-GAME
STATIONS YOU REFERENCED I WILL
TALK WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS
STAFF AFTER THE MEETING ABOUT
THAT.  WHEN IT COMES TO THE
SOUTH METRO WE'VE BEEN VERY
ENGAGED IN ALL OF THE AVAILABLE
TYPES OF HUNTS THAT OCCURRED
THERE INCLUDING THE METRO BOW
HUNTERS ASSOCIATION THAT DOES
QUITE A BIT OF SPECIFIC HUNTS
IN CERTAIN AREAS THE CITY
ADMINISTRATORS SO WE HAVE HAD
LUCKILY GOOD CONTACTS WITH
FOLKS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN ALL
OF THE SPECIAL HUNT SCENARIOS
AND HAVE SET UP COLLECTIONS FOR
SAMPLES THROUGHOUT ALL THOSE
METRO HUNT THAT ARE GOING TO BE
OCCURRING FROM NOW THROUGHOUT
THE SEASON I BELIEVE WERE VERY
ENGAGED IN THE AVAILABLE TYPES
OF HARVEST THAT HAPPENED IN THE
SOUTH METRO AND HAVE FOLKS ON
BOARD TO HELP COLLECT SAMPLES
AND ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION
FROM THOSE HUNTERS.
 REPRESENTATIVE BECKER FINN.
 I AM GOOD THANKS MR. CHAIR
THANK YOU DR. CARSTENSEN THAT
WAS HELPFUL.
 I WANT TO MAKE SURE SEN. 
INGEBRIGTSEN HAS THE
OPPORTUNITY IF HE HAS ANY
QUESTIONS AS COCHAIR THE
ABILITY TO RAISE HIS BLUE HAND
HAS NOT BEEN THERE.
 I AM GOOD SO FAR MR. CHAIR.
 THANK YOU DR. CARSTENSEN WE
DISCUSSED I'VE HEARD CONCERN
FROM LANDOWNERS ABOUT THE
COLORS ON THE WITH THE DEER
STUDY AND RUBBING ON THE NEXT
OF THE DEER COULD YOU ADDRESS
THE CHANGES WHAT IS HAPPENED
WITH THOSE THE DEER MOVEMENT
STUDY.
 YES MR. CHAIR.  WE BEGAN THE
PROJECT CAPTURING ANIMALS IN
2017 IN THE FIRST YEAR WE HAD
TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF COLLARS
THAT WE USED ONE WAS CALLER
ONE WAS CALLER MADE FOR ADULT
MALES WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE
SOME OF THE MOVEMENT DYNAMICS
OF ADULT ANIMALS ADULT MALES ON
THE LANDSCAPER HOW MUCH THEY
MOVE DURING THE ROT SO WE HAD
CHOSEN A CALLER THAT HAD AN
EXPANDABLE AND CONTRACTIBLE
MAGNETIC COMPONENT TO THE
CALLER THAT ALLOWED FOR THE ROT
SWELLING FROM THE ROT AND WE
ALSO AN EXPANDABLE JUVENILE
COLLARS WE DISCOVERED IN THE
NEXT HUNTING SEASON WAS SOME OF
THE ADULT MALES THAT HAD
EXPANDABLE CALLER HAD NOT
IRRITATION THERE HARVESTED BY
HUNTERS AND HAD SOME SIGNS OF
IRRITATION IN THE AND WE WERE
MADE AWARE OF THAT ISSUE AND
DISCONTINUED USING THOSE
COLLARS EVER SINCE THERE WERE
COLORS USED IN OTHER STUDIES IN
MALE ELK WITHOUT ISSUE SO
UNFORTUNATELY WE DID SEE SOME
SIGNS OF ABRASIONS IN FROM THAT
COHORT WE DISCONTINUED THAT
CALLER TYPE TOTALLY AND TO
FURTHER SAFEGUARD THE JUVENILE
COLLARS THAT WE WERE DEPLOYING
WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL REMOTE
RELEASE DEVICE TO EVERY CALLER
THAT ENABLED US TO REMOTELY
RELEASE IT IF WE HAD ANY
INDICATION AND REPORTS OF ANY
CERTAIN IRRITATIONS GOING
FORWARD WE COULD IDENTIFY THAT
ANIMAL WITH A FLIGHT OVER THE
ANIMAL OR CLOSE ENOUGH FROM THE
GROUND TO SEND A SIGNAL TO DROP
A CALLER AND WE HAVE NOT HAD
ANY ISSUES IN CALLER FITTING
THAT I'M AWARE OF IN THE LAST
TWO YEARS OF DEPLOYMENT.
 A YEAR AGO TO WE HAD QUITE A
BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
ADOPTED DUMPSTER PROGRAM I WANT
TO GIVE EACH OF YOU THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SAY IS THIS
GOING TO BE READY AND WORKING
WHEN THE DEER SEASON STARTS
WHEN THE ARCHERY SEASON BEGINS.
 MR. CHAIR THIS IS JAMIE AGAIN
YES AS I SAID WE HAVE IN THE
NORTH CENTRAL CONTRACTS ARE
ALMOST FULLY IN PLACE THE DUE
DATE FOR BIDS BACK FOR SOUTH
METRO WAS YESTERDAY WE ARE
WORKING ON THOSE GETTING THOSE
BIDS AWARDED TODAY AND THEN THE
SOUTHEAST AD UNTIL THE THIRD
JUST A MASSIVE QUANTITY OF
THOSE BEDS THAT WE SENT OUT SO
WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE THOSE IN
PLACE BY THE FIFTH OR BY NEXT
MONDAY BUT YES THE DEADLINE TO
PUT THEM OUT IS 18 SEPTEMBER WE
18 SEPTEMBER WE ARE LOOKING
REALLY GOOD WITH 18 DAYS LEFT
18 DAYS LEFT TO GET THE
CONTRACTS IN PLACE AND THE
DUMPSTERS IN PLACE.
 MR. BENKE.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.  IN TERMS
OF THE DISPOSAL THAT WAS THE
THING WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE
DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AS
LAST YEAR WE BEEN WORKING
PROACTIVELY TO MAKE SURE
THERE'S A DISPOSAL LOCATION
WITHIN THE AREAS I'M CONFIDENT
WE GOT THOSE AS THE CONTRACTS
GET LET WILL HAVE PLACES FOR
THOSE CONTRACTORS TO DISPOSE OF
THE REMAINS AND THE CARCASSES.
 FINALLY DR. CARSTENSEN, WITH
THE DEER MOVEMENT HOW WOULD YOU
DESCRIBE YOUR INTERACTION WITH
WISCONSIN DNR AND THE IOWA DNR
ARE THEY DOING SIMILAR WORK IN
TERMS OF TRACKING OR
SURVEILLANCE?  I THINK WE HAVE
HUNTERS WHO GO ACROSS THE
BORDER AND I WAS WONDERING HOW
YOUR WORKING RELATIONSHIP IS
WITH THOSE FOLKS.
 MR. CHAIR YES WE COMMUNICATE
WITH OUR MIDWEST GROUP THROUGH
OUR MIDWEST ASSOCIATION OF FISH
AND WILDLIFE AGENCIES OFTEN I'M
ON THE COMMITTEE BUT I'M
ACTUALLY AN EVEN MORE FREQUENT
CONVERSATION WITH MY IMMEDIATE
NEIGHBOR STATES.  BETWEEN
WISCONSIN IOWA AND THE DAKOTAS
WE SPEAK OFTEN WISCONSIN AS A
VERY INTERESTING COLORING
PROJECT GOING ON AS WELL THEY
HAVE FOR A FEW YEARS BUT
THEY'RE FOCUSED ON COLORING IN
THEIR HIGHEST CWD AREAS IN DANE
AND SAUK COUNTIES IN IOWA
COUNTIES WHERE THERE BEING ABLE
TO DO SOME LIVE ANIMAL TESTS
THAT CAPTURE AND FOLLOW
CONFIRMED POSITIVES THROUGH
THEIR FATE A SUPER INTERESTING
PROJECT THERE BUT WERE SHARING
DATA AMONG THE STUDIES ABOUT
GENERAL DEER MOVEMENTS
MIGRATION BEHAVIORS AND THAT
KIND OF STUFF SO THERE'S A DATA
SHARING BETWEEN US AND
WISCONSIN AND MICHIGAN ACTUALLY
ABOUT ALL OF OUR COLORING
INFORMATION TO HELP BUILD
BETTER DISEASE MODELS
REGIONALLY WITH I WHAT THEY'RE
NOT CONDUCTING ANY RESEARCH
CURRENTLY WITH DEER MOVEMENTS
THEY HAVE SOME GENETICS
PROJECTS GOING ON BUT NOT
REALLY MOVEMENTS AND THERE ALSO
HAVE LESS FUNDING AVAILABLE TO
DO SOME OF THE WORK UT WE DO
SHARE SURVEILLANCE DATA ALL THE
TIME AND HAVE FREQUENT TALKS ON
WHAT'S HAPPENING.
 I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION IN
THE DAKOTA COUNTY REGION WITH
THIS A LOT OF BIRDFEEDERS AND
SOME RECREATIONAL FEEDING OF
DEER HOW DO YOU REACH
HOMEOWNERS IN TERMS OF TRYING
TO PREVENT A SITE WHERE THERE
CAN BE DEER CONCENTRATIONS AND
REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN I WILL
CALL ON YOU NEXT.
 MR. CHAIR THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTION YES WE'VE HAD SOME
SPECIFIC NEWS RELEASE
INFORMATION FOCUSED ON EXPANDED
FEEDING BAN IN THE LAST COUPLE
OF MONTHS.  I THINK THAT'S
GOING TO BE INCREASED AS WELL
WE HAVE NOT DONE A SURVEY
FLIGHT IN THIS AREA LIKE WE HAD
WITH THE PINE COUNTY IN DOUGLAS
COUNTY FARM SITUATIONS WE FLEW
THOSE AREAS LOOKING FOR DEAR
ENTITIES AND ALSO LOOKED FOR
FEEDING SITES SO WE COULD HAVE
SOME PLACES FOR CONSERVATION
OFFICERS TO FOCUS ON
EDUCATIONAL MOMENTS ABOUT
WHAT'S CHANGED WITH OUR FEEDING
BAN.  THIS DISCOVERY OF THE
DEER IN THE METRO HAPPENS LATE
ENOUGH IN THE SPRING THE SNOW
WAS GONE AND ANY AVENUE TO
LEARNING ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE
BEHAVIORS IN WINTER WAS GONE SO
NOW IT'S BASICALLY JUST DIRECT
OUTREACH THROUGH OUR
COMMUNICATION NETWORKS WITH THE
NEWS RELEASES TO GET THE WORD
OUT THAT THEY ARE NOW IN A
RECREATIONAL FEEDING BAN AREA.
 REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR I'M NOT
SURE HOW MUCH LONGER THE
MEETING IS GOING TO GO ON IF
YOU HAVE MORE TESTIMONY THAT WE
WERE TALKING A LITTLE ABOUT
DEER MOVEMENT.  I'M SURE YOU'RE
AWARE OF THE SITUATION IN
KITSON COUNTY ITH THE
WHITETAIL DEER AT THE CERVID
FARM THERE AND THE MAN THE DNR
PLACED ON THE MOVING OF DEER
LAST JANUARY HE GOT CAUGHT IN A
SITUATION WHERE HE WAS NOT
PERMITTED TO MOVE HIS DEAR TO
ST.  PAUL FOR THE SPORTSMAN
SHOW THAT WAS THERE WHEN HE
SHOWED UP THERE OBVIOUSLY HE
GOT TICKETED AND HERE WERE
SOME OF US WHO FELT THE DNR WAS
OVERSTEPPING THEIR
JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITY THAT
OUTSIDE THE FENCE THAT EXCUSE
ME INSIDE THE FENCE THAT SHOULD
BE THE BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH
THAT CAME UP WITH THEIR RULE
AND THE 30 DAY BAN.  MR. PORTER
DECIDED TO CHALLENGE THE
CITATION AND A LAWSUIT ENTAILED
WHERE THE STATE OF MINNESOTA
WAS GOING AFTER HIM THE RAMSEY
COUNTY COURT ATTORNEY DISMISSED
THOSE CHARGES IN THE INTEREST
OF JUSTICE.  I DON'T KNOW
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN GOING
FORWARD BUT THE AGENCIES NEED
TO MAKE SURE THEY STAY WITH
INSIDE THE JURISDICTIONAL
AUTHORITY THEY HAVE AND IF YOU
OR ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS
ON THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED
IN HEARING SOMETHING FROM
SOMEONE ELSE.
 COMMISSIONER MEYER.
 MR. CHAIR I WOULD LIKE TO
ADDRESS THAT QUICKLY THAT WAS A
SITUATION WHERE WE NEEDED TO
ACT QUICKLY.  THE BOARD OF
ANIMAL HEALTH MET THEY ALMOST
INITIATED A MOVEMENT MORATORIUM
TO ALLOW US TO GET THIS TRACE
WORK DONE THAT IDENTIFIED THE
DEER IN DOUGLAS COUNTY AND
OTHER PLACES, THAT THEY WEREN'T
ABLE TO DO IT SO COMMISSIONER
STROMMEN DID WHAT SHE FELT THE
DEPARTMENT NEEDED TO DO TO
PROTECT THE WILD DEER HERD AT
THAT TIME TO ACT SWIFTLY TO
IMMEDIATELY PUT IN A MOVEMENT
BAN FOR THE BOARD OF ANIMAL
HEALTH TO COMPLETE THE WORK OF
THIS TRACE OUT OF THAT PINE
COUNTY HEARD WHICH AS WE SOUGHT
LED TO ANOTHER COUPLE OF OTHER
AREAS WITH SOME POPULATED SOME
FARMS THAT WERE TESTED
POSITIVE.  WITHOUT THAT MAN WHO
KNOWS WHERE THOSE DEER FROM
THAT PINE COUNTY FACILITY COULD
HAVE GONE AND LED TO ADDITIONAL
IMPACTS I UNDERSTAND
REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN'S
CONCERNS AND TOTALLY AGREE WITH
THEM WE DID EVERYTHING WE
NEEDED TO DO TO PROTECT THE
WILD DEER HERD THIS IS AN
EXAMPLE OF HOPEFULLY SOMETHING
THAT CAN BE CLARIFIED IN THE
BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH CURRENT
RULEMAKING PACKAGE THAT
DR. CARSTENSEN SITS ON AND WE
WILL DO WHAT WE CAN TO INCLUDE
SOME AUTHORITY FROM THE BOARD
TO DEAL WITH THESE TYPES OF
SITUATIONS AT HAND.  WE DID NOT
TAKE THIS MATTER LIGHTLY, WE
LOOKED AT IT VERY JUDICIOUSLY
AND WE DECIDED OUR ACTIONS WERE
IN THE BEST INTEREST OF
PROTECTING THE WILD DEER HERD
SO IT WAS FOR 30 DAYS WE DEALT
WITH IT AND ALLOWED US TIME TO
DETERMINE AND LEARN WHAT NEEDED
TO BE DONE AND IT GOT US TO
WHERE WE ARE TODAY SO IT WASN'T
AN EASY DECISION TO MAKE IT WAS
ONE WE FELT THAT DID PROVIDE A
LOT OF PROTECTION TO WILD DEER
POPULATION AND WE WERE IN
CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THE
BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH AS WE
WERE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
 REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.  I DO
AGREE WE NEED TO PROTECT THE
WILD HEARD THERE'S NO DOUBT
ABOUT THAT, BUT IN THIS CASE
HERE THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD
WITH THE DNR TRYING TO HELP
MR. PORTER FIND A SOLUTION THAT
WORKED FOR HIM WITH SOME SORT
OF VARIANCE OR WHATEVER WAS
REJECTED BY THE DNR AND IF YOUR
FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HE DOES, I
DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DEER THERE
ARE IN DOWNTOWN ST.  PAUL BUT
HIS DEAR GOAL FROM HIS PEN INTO
A TRAILER THEY TRAVELED TO ST. 
PAUL THEY NEVER COME OUT OF THE
TRAILER AND THEY GO BACK TO HIS
FARM.  I APPRECIATE THE
COMMENTS OF COMMISSIONER MEYER
ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER MEYER
I'VE TALKED TO HIM MANY TIMES
HE AND I HAVE A GOOD
RELATIONSHIP I THINK IN THIS
BUT I ALSO THINK WE HAVE RULESS
AND WE HAVE STATUTES IN PLACE
AND WE JUST NEED TO BE
COGNIZANT OF THAT AND WE NEED
TO MAKE SURE WERE NOT GETTING
ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE BECAUSE WE
THINK THIS IS IN THE BEST
INTEREST WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY
WE CAN DO AND I'M HAPPY TO WORK
WITH PEOPLE GOING FORWARD TO
FIND BETTER SOLUTIONS TO THESE
THINGS THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT
THAT I'M ENCOURAGED BY THE
BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH AND THE
DNR TO WORK TOGETHER ON THESE
THINGS IN 2017 AND 2018 WHEN I
2018 WHEN I WAS DOING WHAT
YOU'RE DOING MR. CHAIR AND I
THOUGHT WE MADE SOME PROGRESS
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT
PROGRESS CONTINUE BUT IT CAN'T
COME AT THE RIGHTS OF
INDIVIDUALS.  THANK YOU FOR
YOUR INDULGENCE.
 COMMISSIONER MEYER.
 JUST QUICKLY MR. CHAIR AND
REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN, I
UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THOSE
WORDS.  WE WERE ALSO SUED BY
THE DEER HUNTERS THEY WITHDREW
THAT SUIT AFTER WE HAD THE
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS
TRANSPIRING WHILE MR. PORTER
WAS UNFORTUNATELY CAUGHT IN THE
ACTION WE HAD NO AUTHORITY TO
PROVIDE A VARIANCE FOR HIM
UNDER OUR EMERGENCY RULE
ACTUALLY IF WE WOULD'VE TRIED
TO DO THAT BY THE TIME THE
ACTION WOULD'VE BEEN DONE WE
WOULD'VE NEEDED TO DO AN
EXPEDITED RULE ON THAT AS WELL
HIS SITUATION THE SHOWS
WOULD'VE BEEN OVER.  WE
RECOGNIZE THAT WE WORK WITHIN
THE COURT SYSTEM AND WITHIN
WHAT WE FEEL ARE THE STATUTORY
POWERS TO PROTECT THE WILD DEER
HERD AND AS A SET HOPEFULLY
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE
ADDRESSED IN THIS UPCOMING
UPDATED RULE PACKAGE WITH THE
BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH AND
WORKED TO ENSURE THAT IS TAKING
PLACE.
 I SEE SEN.  JOHNSON HAS HIS
HAND UP.  THEN WILL PROVIDE FOR
A FOLLOW-UP AND MOVED TO THE
BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH.
 THANK YOU VERY MUCH I
APPRECIATE THAT MR. CHAIR. 
JUST TO YOUR POINT OF THEIR
ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER MEYER I
DO WANT TO SAY THE EMERGENCY
POWER THAT YOU BROUGHT THE
JURISDICTION BROUGHT UP THE
EMERGENCY POWER UNDER WAS ALSO
A QUESTION AS WELL WHEN YOU SAY
YOU'RE ENFORCING THAT EMERGENCY
POWER ORDER I BELIEVE THERE WAS
A COURT CASE THAT THE
PROSECUTOR DIDN'T EVEN TAKE THE
TIME TO BRING THIS TO COURT
BECAUSE ON THE FACE OF IT THE
EMERGENCY POWER THE DNR TOOK
WAS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF ITS
ABILITY.  THIS IS SOMETHING
REPRESENTATIVE FABIAN HAS BEEN
STRONG ABOUT IS MAKING SURE OUR
AGENCIES ARE WITHIN THEIR
JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITY AND
THAT'S SOMETHING I'M EXTREMELY
CONCERNED ABOUT HERE IS ARE WE
DOING THINGS AS AGENCIES AS
GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACIES
OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED
TO DO?  THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT'S SCARY AND YET WE ARE
WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU TO
MAKE SURE WE CAN PROTECT
WILDLIFE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO
THAT AND WE UNDERSTAND THE
RISKS THAT ARE INVOLVED BUT
THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU CARTE
BLANCHE TO DO THINGS OUTSIDE OF
WHAT THE STATUTES ARE.  I JUST
WANT TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
 ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER MEYER.
 MR. CHAIR AND SEN.  JOHNSON WE
DID CONSULT WITH THE ATTY. 
GEN.'S OFFICE WE HAD
CONSULTATIONS WITH OUR GENERAL
COUNSEL AND THE ATTY.  GEN.'S
OFFICE ON OUR AUTHORITY AFTER
THOSE CONVERSATIONS WE
DETERMINED WE HAD THE AUTHORITY
TO DO THIS AND MOVE FORWARD. 
AS I SAID THE DEER HUNTERS DID
FILE A SUIT AGAINST US THEY
LATER WITHDREW IT SO THAT WAS
NEVER DETERMINED BY A COURT OF
LAW BUT CERTAINLY WAS UNDER OUR
PURVIEW OF OUR AUTHORITY AND
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ATTY. 
GEN.'S OFFICE WE DETERMINED
THEY HAD TO SIGN OFF ON THE
RULE TO GET IT DONE WE HAD
DETERMINED WE DID HAVE THE
AUTHORITY SEN.  I UNDERSTAND
YOUR CONCERN WE MAY HAVE GONE
OUTSIDE BUT WE FEEL WE WERE
WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY AND AGAIN
IT'S THE WAY TO LOOK AT HOW DO
YOU PROTECT THE WILD HEARD
RIGHT?  THIS DISEASE IS VERY
CONCERNING TO US AND WE WANTED
TO DO EVERYTHING WE COULD
POSSIBLY AND I APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMITMENT TO WORKING WITH US
AND THE BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH
TO CLARIFY THIS ISSUE TO
PROTECT NOT ONLY THE ANIMALS
OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE BUT ALSO
THE ANIMALS INSIDE OF THE FENCE
FROM THIS DISEASE WE ARE FACING
NOW THANK YOU.
 SEN.  JOHNSON ANY FOLLOW-UP.
 MR. CHAIR I AM GOOD THANK YOU.
 WITH THAT THANK YOU TO THE DNR
AND THE MPCA WE WILL MOVE TO
THE BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH D
DR. THOMPSON WELCOME.
 GOOD MORNING EVERYONE CHAIR
HANSEN IF YOU CAN HEAR ME? 
EXCELLENT CHAIR HANSEN CHAIR
INGEBRIGTSEN AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS I'M BETH THOMPSON STATE
VETERINARIAN AND EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE BOARD OF ANIMAL
HEALTH THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THE
COMMITTEE AS A REMINDER TO ALL
FOLKS ON THE CALLS THE BOARD IS
A SMALL STATE AGENCY WE HAVE
OVERSIGHT OF DOMESTIC ANIMAL
HEALTH THAT INCLUDES CATTLE
POULTRY HORSES SHEEP GOATS, WE
HAVE A FOREIGN ANIMAL DISEASE
IN THE UNITED STATES NOT
INVOLVING RABBITS AND OF COURSE
THE TOPIC OF THIS FARM
CERVID'S.  WE ARE NOW CLOSER TO
30 EMPLOYEES VERSUS OUR USUAL
STAFF NUMBER OF 40 EMPLOYEES AT
40 EMPLOYEES AT THE BOARD OF
ANIMAL HEALTH.  FIRST THE BOARD
PROVIDED A WRITTEN UPDATE OF
THE FARM CERVIDAE PROGRAM TO
COMMITTEE MEMBERS THE DOCUMENT
IS DATED SEPTEMBER 2020 THE
STATE FISCAL YEAR REFERRED TO
IN THE DOCUMENT IS FISCAL YEAR
ENDING JUNE OF THIS YEAR SO A
FEW HIGH-LEVEL COMMENTS ON THE
DOCUMENT.  THERE ARE CURRENTLY
289 FARM CERVID HERDS IN THE
STATE WITH JUST OVER 8000
8,000 ANIMALS.  AT THE END OF
FISCAL YEAR THE STATE FISCAL
YEAR 2020 THERE WERE 2173 NOT
2173 NOT DETECTED TESTS FOR CWD
AND LASTLY AFTER DETECTION OF
CWD IN THE DOUGLAS COUNTY HEARD
THAT WAS MENTIONED AND THE
SUBSEQUENT TRACE BACK TO PINE
COUNTY HEARD, THERE WERE A
TOTAL OF SIX ANIMALS THAT
SIX ANIMALS THAT TESTED
POSITIVE OUT OF ALL OF THE 11
11 ANIMALS IN BOTH HERDS THE
TWO HERDS IN PINE COUNTY AND
DOUGLAS COUNTY.  THERE WAS
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON MOST
TO HERDS ON PAGE 2 OF THE
DOCUMENT THE USDA THE
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
EPIDEMIOLOGICAL REPORT IS BEING
FINISHED IT SHOULD BE OUT
FAIRLY SOON AND JUST AS A
REMINDER THE USDA HAS BEEN
INVOLVED IN THESE CASES VIA
PAYING INDEMNITY FOR
DEPOPULATED HERDS IN CWD AND IN
CERTAIN CASES FOR CERVID'S THAT
ARE EXPOSED TO OTHER POSITIVE
ANIMALS IN OTHER HERDS.  MOVING
ON TO RULEMAKING IN 2019 THEY
2019 THEY WERE CHANGES MADE TO
THE LAWS ON FARM CERVIDAE BASED
ON THE CHANGES THE BOARD OF
ANIMAL HEALTH STARTED A
RULEMAKING PROCESS EARLIER THIS
CALENDAR YEAR.  MUCH OF WHAT I
WILL MENTION NOW CAN BE FOUND
ON OUR WEBSITE THE BOARD OF
ANIMAL HEALTH WEBSITE.  FOR ME
I USUALLY GO TO THE SEARCH
FUNCTION WHEN I GET TO A PAGE
AND YOU CAN SEARCH FOR CERVID
RULES BUT YOU CAN ALSO THERE'S
A BANNER AT THE TOP OF OUR PAGE
CALLED RULES AND REGULATIONS
THAT WILL GIVE YOU A DROP-DOWN
MENU THEN YOU CAN CHOOSE PUBLIC
RULEMAKING FROM THAT DROP-DOWN
MENU.  THERE ARE LINKS ON OUR
PAGE DOCUMENTS AS THEY BECOME
AVAILABLE FIRST OF ALL IT'S
IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE REQUEST
FOR COMMENTS WAS OPENED TWO
TWO MONTHS AGO A LITTLE OVER
TWO MONTHS AGO ON JUNE 29TH WE
ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE
COMMENT TIME OPEN FOR 60 DAYS
60 DAYS AND WE ARE KEEPING OUR
COMMENTS OPEN UNTIL OCTOBER 30
OCTOBER 30TH SO ABOUT TWICE AS
LONG AS WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO
SO FAR WE HAVE I THINK
YESTERDAY I NOTICED THREE
THREE PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED VIA
THE REQUESTED COMMENTS PAGE. 
WE ALSO HAVE OTHER DOCUMENTS
LINKS TO OTHER DOCUMENTS SUCH
AS THE DRAFT RULE AMENDMENTS
AND DRAFT CERVIDAE SURVEILLANCE
STANDARDS ON OUR WEBSITE.  IN
ADDITION TO THAT A COUPLE OF
OTHER THINGS TO MENTION TO THE
GROUP WE HAVE STOOD UP A RULE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE THIS
COMMITTEE HAS MET ONCE AND WILL
CONTINUE TO MEET TO DISCUSS
WAIT IN ON THE CHANGES TO OUR
CERVIDAE RULES AT OUR FIRST
MEETING WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE
TO HAVE THE STAFF FROM THE
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
OPEN THE FIRST MEETING THE
STAFF IS AN ATTORNEY SHE WORKED
IN THE AG'S OFFICE AND IN OTHER
AGENCIES SPECIFICALLY ON
RULEMAKING SO IN THE FIRST
ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING THE
STAFF TALKED ABOUT THE ADVISORY
GROUP THAT'S BEING A MORE
FORMAL AND ORGANIZED WAY FOR
THE BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH TO
RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT AND
EXPERTISE AND THE MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE WORTH
THOUGHTFULLY PICK EVEN THOUGH
AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS NOT
REQUIRED SO THE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE TO THE EXTENT THEY
CAN CAN KEEP OTHER MEMBERS OF
THEIR CONSTITUENCY UP TO DATE
WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AND KEEP
THEIR COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS
IN MIND WHEN THEIR MEETING. 
YOU CAN FIND THE MEMBERSHIP OF
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON OUR
WEBPAGE MINUTES FROM THE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING WILL
BE PUBLISHED AS SOON AS THEY
ARE AVAILABLE AND WE ARE
ENCOURAGING EVERYONE IF YOU
HAVE THE TIME TO LISTEN IN ON
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETINGS
THE MEETINGS ARE SCHEDULED FOR
TWO HOURS AND THE LAST 50
50 MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS ARE
OPENED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS
SEPARATE FROM THE LISTENING
SESSIONS OF THE BOARD IS OPEN
FOR THE PUBLIC AGAIN IT'S
LISTED ON OUR WEBSITE WE HAVE
CURRENTLY FOR LISTENING
SESSIONS LISTED IT HAS BOTH AN
MSP LINK AND CALL IN
INFORMATION THE SESSIONS ARE
CALLED LISTENING SESSIONS
BECAUSE WE WANT TO LISTEN TO
THE COMMENTS AND PROPOSALS FROM
THE PUBLIC.  WE HAD ONE
ONE LISTENING SESSION LAST WEEK
THERE WERE NINE MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC ON THE LINE AND HER NEXT
SESSION IS SCHEDULED FOR
TOMORROW.  IN ADDITION TO THOSE
LISTENING SESSIONS WE ALSO ARE
WORKING AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES
WITH HOPES TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH
IN ON HER PROPOSED RULES THE
BOARD CONTINUES TO EXPAND
NOTIFICATION OF THE RULEMAKING
PROCESS ADDITIONAL NOTICE WENT
OUT TO THE PERSONS ON A
RULEMAKING LIST OVER 13,000
RECIPIENTS WITH REGARDS TO
MINNESOTA TRIBES AND TRIBAL
GROUPS THROUGH THE INTERAGENCY
RULES COMMITTEE AND OTHER STATE
AGENCIES WE HAVE GATHERED NAMES
AND HAVE TENTATIVELY SET A
LISTENING SESSION FOR THE GROUP
IN THE SECOND WEEK OF SEPTEMBER
WE HAVE AMISH COMMUNITIES IN
SOUTHEAST MINNESOTA THE BOARD
HAS LIMITED INTERACTION WITH
THOSE COMMUNITIES VIA ART
COMMERCIAL DOG AND CAT BREEDER
PROGRAM WERE REACHING OUT TO
OTHERS TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET
INFORMATION TO THE AMISH
COMMUNITIES IN THE SOUTHEAST. 
LASTLY OUR PRESS RELEASE ON
AUGUST 20TH ON THE RULES
PROCESS WENT OUT TO ALL MEDIA
OUTLETS TELEVISION RADIO PRINT
IN ALL MARKETS WITH AN ACTIVE
NETWORK IN MINNESOTA.  WITH
THAT BOTH CHAIRS I WOULD
APPRECIATE HEARING ANY AND ALL
ADDITIONAL POSSIBILITIES ON
GETTING THE WORD OUT ON A
RULEMAKING ROCESS IF THERE ARE
SPECIFIC GROUPS ANYONE YOU CAN
THINK OF WHO MIGHT WANT TO HAVE
A LISTENING SESSION WITH US
PLEASE CONTACT ME OR CONTACT
OUR OFFICE.  WITH THAT CHAIR
HANSEN I WILL TURN IT OVER FOR
ANY QUESTIONS THANK YOU.
 THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE
ECKLUND.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND THANK
YOU DR. THOMPSON.  HOW IS THE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE PICKED
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT SEEMS
THERE'S IT'S NOT VERY BALANCED
I'M CURIOUS A MENTAL HAVE A
FOLLOW-UP AFTER THAT MR. CHAIR.
 DR. THOMPSON.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND
REPRESENTATIVE ECKLUND.  FOR
THOSE WHO AREN'T AWARE WHO'S ON
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THERE
ARE 15 MEMBERS I WILL LIST THEM
QUICKLY HERE REPRESENTATIVES
FROM THE DNR, AGRICULTURE,
HEALTH, VETERINARY DIAGNOSTIC
LABS, USDA, THE DEER FARMERS,
THE ELK BREEDERS, DEER HUNTERS,
CERVID VETERINARIANS THERE'S A
CERVIDAE SPECIES NON-NATIVE
PRODUCER, AND AT-LARGE CERVID
PRODUCER THERE'S A TRIBAL
MEMBER A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC
GENERALLY AND AT-LARGE
LIVESTOCK PRODUCER AND THE
COUNTIES ALSO HAVE A SEAT AT
THE TABLE AND TO YOUR QUESTION
REPRESENTATIVE ECKLUND THIS WAS
BRAINSTORMING AMONGST THOSE OF
US THE STAFF AT THE BOARD OF
ANIMAL HEALTH WE ALSO REACHED
OUT TO OTHER STATE AGENCIES WHO
HAVE GONE THROUGH THE
RULEMAKING PROCESS AND TOOK
INPUT FROM DIFFERENT IDEAS WE
GOT FROM A WHOLE VARIETY OF
DIFFERENT PEOPLE.  THERE WASN'T
ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO MADE THE
DECISION ON HOW WE COULD BUILD
THIS BUT INSTEAD WE REACHED OUT
TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. 
THE INNER AGENCY RULE GROUP WAS
INSTRUMENTAL IN GUIDING US IT'S
NOT GOOD TO GET TOO MANY PEOPLE
AT THE TABLE BECAUSE WE WANT
EVERYONE TO COME IN AFTER THEY
TALK TO THEIR SPECIFIC GROUPS
OR THOSE WITH THEIR INTERESTS
AND E WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S A
MANAGEABLE GROUP SO WE DIDN'T
WANT TO GO TO FAR OVER 15
15 MEMBERS THANK YOU.
 REPRESENTATIVE ECKLUND.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR THIS WILL
GO BACK TO MY COMMENT EARLIER
WHEN DR. LARSON GAVE HIS
PRESENTATION.  I FIND IT
TROUBLING DR. THOMPSON THAT
WHEN WE HAVE RESEARCH GOING ON
AT OUR STATE UNIVERSITY THE
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED AS
PART OF THE RULEMAKING PROCESS
TO FIND OUT TO GET THEIR
FEEDBACK I FIND THAT VERY
TROUBLING THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
 DR. THOMPSON.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND
REPRESENTATIVE ECKLUND, ONE OF
ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES ON
THE COMMITTEE IS FROM THE
VETERINARY DIAGNOSTIC LAB.  IN
ADDITION TO THAT I THINK
DR. LARSON STARTED TO TALK A
LITTLE ABOUT THIS WE CURRENTLY
ARE WORKING WITH DR. WELLS FROM
THE COLLEGE OF VETERINARY
MEDICINE USING RT QUICK AND
USING THE FOLKS IN DR. LARSON'S
GROUP DR. WELLS PROPOSAL THAT
HOPEFULLY WILL BE FUNDED GREW
OUT OF A BOARD FUNDED PROJECT
THAT IS GONE ON FOR A COUPLE OF
YEARS LOOKING AT BIO SECURITY
ON CERVID FARMS WITH ADDITIONAL
FUNDING AVAILABLE FROM THE USDA
THE BOARD WILL BE THE
ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY WORKING
WITH DR. WELLS AND AGAIN
UTILIZING THE RT QUICK ALSO IF
FUNDED THE PROJECT IS GOING TO
INCLUDE A COUPLE OF OTHER
STATES WITH A FAIRLY LARGE
PROJECT THE BOARD OF ANIMAL
HEALTH IS GOING TO BE THE
ADMINISTRATOR OF THAT PROJECT
AND JUST AS A SIDE NOTE
GENERALLY THE BOARD DOESN'T
DIRECTLY FUND VALIDATION OF
TESTS SO WE WERE ABLE TO FUND
THIS BIO SECURITY PROJECT WHICH
WILL BOLSTER THE WORK THAT'S
BEING DONE BY DR. LARSON'S LAB
SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR
CONCERNS REPRESENTATIVE ECKLUND
THANK YOU.
 REPRESENTATIVE ECKLUND ANY
FOLLOW-UP.
 I AM GOOD THANK YOU.
 REPRESENTATIVE WAGENIUS.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.  FOR THE
TESTIFIER THE LAST TIME THAT
YOU VISITED WITH US YOU TOLD US
THAT CURRENT RULES SAY WHEN A
FARM HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN AFTER
WE FOUND AN INFECTED DEER IT'S
FENCED OFF FOR FIVE YEARS.  YET
SCIENCE TELLS US THAT PRIONS
LAST MORE THAN FIVE YEARS SO MY
QUESTION IS WILL YOU REVISIT
THIS PART OF YOUR RULE THAT IS
NOT BASED ON CURRENT SCIENCE.
 DR. THOMPSON.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND
REPRESENTATIVE WAGENIUS, WE
WILL CERTAINLY REVISIT THAT IF
IT IS IN OUR VIEW I'M
STRUGGLING TO THINK IF THAT'S
IN OUR RULE OR STATUTE AS YOU
KNOW THE RULE HAS TO FALL
WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF THE
STATUTE SO IF WE ARE ABLE DONE
SCIENCE TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE
RULE WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY FROM
THE STATUTE WE WILL DO THAT AND
WE HOPE WE HAVE THE RIGHT
PEOPLE AT THE TABLE TO MOVE
THOSE DISCUSSIONS FORWARD THANK
YOU.
 REPRESENTATIVE WAGENIUS.
 THANK YOU AND FOR A FOLLOW-UP,
THERE ARE STATUTES OR RULES
THERE'S ALSO THE CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHT TO HUNT AND FISH.  THE
CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE YOUR
GUIDELINE WHEN WE ARE
PROTECTING THE RIGHT TO HUNT. 
THIS IS A RULE THAT ABSOLUTELY
MUST BE BASED ON SCIENCE NOT
BASED ON WHAT INTEREST GROUPS
WHAT STAKEHOLDERS KIND OF AGREE
ON IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON
SCIENCE.
 DR. THOMPSON.
 NOTHING FURTHER THANK YOU
CHAIR HANSEN.
 THANK YOU AGAIN YOUR CONTACT
INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN AS
WITH SOME OF THE OTHER
INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED
WE WILL BE POSTING IT AFTER THE
MEETING ON THE COMMITTEE
WEBSITE.  WITH THAT WE WILL GO
TO CIDRAP AND THE STAFF
WELCOME.
 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
CHAIR HANSEN AND CHAIR
INGEBRIGTSEN AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE I AM COREY ANDERSON
RESEARCH ASSISTANT WITH CIDRAP
CENTER FOR INFECTIOUS DISEASE
RESEARCH AND POLICY AT THE
UNIVERSITY TO SHARE THE SCREEN
HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS.  I'M
STANDING IN FOR DR. OSTERHOLM
TODAY WHO APOLOGIZES HE COULD
MAKE IT HE'S CHAIRING THE WHO
COMMITTEE CALL FOR COVID WHICH
EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT
THIS POINT.  THIS WILL BE
RELATIVELY SHORT I WILL UPDATE
YOU SOME OF OUR ACTIVITIES
RELATED TO CWD.  FIRST AND
FOREMOST I WANTED TO POINT OUT
OUR CWD RESOURCE CENTER
LAUNCHED IN AUGUST 2019 IF
YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH CIDRAP
AND WHAT IT DOES IT CURATES
SCIENCE-BASED INFORMATION ON A
NUMBER OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE
TOPICS FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE
RESOURCE CENTER ON COVID 19 AND
19 AND RESOURCES RELATED TO
ANTIMICROBIAL STEWARDSHIP AND
DR. OSTERHOLM SAW CWD AS AN
EMERGING ISSUE SO WE WENT AHEAD
AND COMPILED INFORMATION AND
LAUNCH THIS ONE YEAR AGO.  THE
INTERESTING PART ABOUT OUR
EFFORTS IS THERE GUIDED BY SOME
LEADING EXPERTS IN THE FIELD OF
CWD AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE 57
57 ADVISORS HERE'S MORE
INFORMATION ON THOSE ADVISORS
THEY REPRESENT IN FIELDS
RELATED TO PUBLIC HEALTH
MEDICINE SCIENCE WILDLIFE AND
AGRICULTURE, SIX COUNTRIES ARE
SIX COUNTRIES ARE REPRESENTED
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF
PROFESSIONAL DEGREES AND WE
ACTUALLY DID MANAGE TO HAVE
EXPERTS ON BOVINE SPONGIFORM OR
MAD COW ISEASE AND THE UK
RESEARCHERS THEIR GUIDING OUR
CONTACT THERE VETTING OUR
CONTENT TO MAKE SURE SIGN SPACE
COMPREHENSIVE WE SEE THAT IS
IMPORTANT WHEN VISITORS WANT TO
BE SURE THEY'RE GETTING THE
BEST INFORMATION POSSIBLE. 
OBVIOUSLY IT'S DIFFICULT TO
HOLD MEETINGS WITH 57 PEOPLE SO
57 PEOPLE SO WE TRY TO NARROW
THE GROUP SO WE COULD HAVE MORE
FOCUSED MEETINGS ON A REGULAR
BASIS.  IN JANUARY WE FORMED AN
EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MADE UP OF
14 MEMBERS WE HAVE
REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CDC
AND DIFFERENT RESEARCH
INSTITUTIONS WILDLIFE MANAGERS
ETC.  WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO
IS HAVING QUARTERLY ZOOM
MEETINGS WHERE WE TALK IN DEPTH
FOR AN HOUR ABOUT WHAT
ACTIVITIES THEY SEE AS PRESSING
WHAT WE CAN HELP WITH AND IT'S
HELP I WILL COVER DIFFERENT
AREAS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN
THESE MEETINGS AND EFFORTS WE
ARE WORKING ON NOW.  OR WILL BE
WORKING ON THE FUTURE.  FIRST
AND FOREMOST OUR FIRST MEETING
WAS IN THE BEGINNING OF COVID
ONE OF OUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
MEMBERS WORKS AT A UNIVERSITY
KICKED OFF A WEBINAR SERIES
WITH COVID 19 WE THOUGHT THIS
WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE EFFORT
THAT WE COULD GET INVOLVED WITH
WITH THE CWD.  WERE ACTUALLY
UNDERTAKING THAT EFFORT NOW
IT'S A LIVE WEBINAR EVENT
PEOPLE CAN REGISTER AND ATTEND
THE LIVE EVENT IT'S A 45 MINUTE
45 MINUTE PRESENTATION FROM THE
EXPERTS AND LEADERS THEN
THERE'S A 15 MINUTE YOU ANY AT
THE END WHERE PEOPLE CAN ASK
QUESTIONS IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THE
LIVE EVENT THEY ARE ARCHIVED
AND AVAILABLE ON OUR YOUTUBE
CHANNEL WE'VE HAD TO SO FAR. 
ONE WITH DEBBIE MCKENZIE ON THE
PRION STRAINS AND ANOTHER
RECENTLY WITH VIC ADAMI WHAT'S
ON HUMAN DIMENSIONS OF CWD WE
FOUND THAT HELPFUL A LOT OF
PEOPLE ATTENDED AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE VIEWED IT'S VERY
INTERACTIVE WITH THAT WERE
ANNOUNCING OUR NEXT WEBINAR I'M
PLUGGING THAT HERE IT'S WITH
OUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND OUR
EXECUTIVE ADVISORY GROUP THE
PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE
NATIONAL DEER ALLIANCE AND
QUALITY DEER MANAGEMENT
ASSOCIATION WHICH RECENTLY
MERGED INTO A GROUP WILL GIVE A
PRESENTATION ON SEPTEMBER 24
SEPTEMBER 24TH DETAILING 100
100 SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CWD IS
HUNTING SEASONS BEGIN IF YOU'RE
INTERESTED I PUT THE WEBSITE
THERE OTHERWISE IF YOU DON'T
HAVE TIME TO WRITE IT DOWN I'M
TRYING TO MOVE QUICKLY FEEL
FREE TO FOLLOW ME I CAN GIVE
YOU THAT INFORMATION.  ANOTHER
ACTIVITY THAT WE FOUND WOULD BE
HELPFUL BASED ON OUR EXECUTIVE
COMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS WOULD BE
CWD WHITE PAPERS WHAT THESE
WOULD BE OUR WE INFORM WORKING
GROUPS DEPENDING ON TOPICS
IDENTIFIED AS HIGH PRIORITY AND
WE WOULD WRITE BASICALLY A
CONFERENCE OF SCIENCE-BASED
REPORT ON WHAT WE KNOW AND
DON'T KNOW ABOUT THESE TOPICS
THEY COULD BE USED AS A
VALUABLE RESOURCE FOR WILDLIFE
AGENCIES FOR POLICYMAKERS FOR
RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS ETC.  SO
THE TWO MAIN PRIORITY TOPICS WE
HAVE IDENTIFIED IN THE FIRST
EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING WAS
ONE VERY FAMILIAR TO A LOT OF
YOU IN THE MEETING TODAY IT'S
THE SAFETY OF USING CERTIFIED
LANDFILLS TO DISPOSE OF CW THE
INFECTED CARCASSES PEOPLE ALSO
THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO
BASICALLY LAY OUT WHAT WE KNOW
AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT CWD TESTS
THOSE ARE THE EXISTING
VALIDATED TESTS SUCH AS IHC AND
ELIZA.  WITH THE CARCASS
DISPOSAL ISSUE WE FORMED A
MANAGEMENT WORKING GROUP IN
FEBRUARY AND UNFORTUNATELY WITH
COVID THINGS KIND OF GOT PUSHED
BACK FURTHER THAN WE WANTED,
BUT IT'S MADE UP OF EXPERTS IN
LANDFILL ENGINEERING AND HUMAN
HEALTH AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT
WE HAVE SOME LEADING EXPERTS IN
THIS AREA WHEN IT COMES TO
RESEARCH WE HAVE REPRESENTATION
FROM THE CDC AND WE THINK IT
WOULD BE FORMED AS A LIVING
DOCUMENT SO COULD BE CHANGED AS
THE SCIENCE EVOLVES IT WILL BE
USEFUL TO LANDFILL OPERATORS
POLICYMAKERS AGENCY MEMBERS
ETC.  THAT WILL BE COMING OUT
HOPEFULLY SOON.  LAST IS
HIGHLIGHTING ANOTHER ACTIVITY
WE ARE REGULARLY INVOLVED WITH
WE PUBLISHED MONTHLY CWD
NEWSLETTERS WE FIRST STARTED
THAT IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THEM THEY
FEATURE THE LATEST ACTIVITIES
THAT WERE INVOLVED TO KEEP
PEOPLE UP TO DATE WE ALSO
SUMMARIZED AND PROVIDED LINKS
TO NOTEWORTHY NEW STORIES
ACROSS THE WORLD WE DO FEATURE
NORWAY ON OCCASION BUT MOSTLY
NORTH AMERICA AND WE LIST
RECENT PEER-REVIEWED
PUBLICATIONS THAT PEOPLE MAY
WANT THEY CAN SIGN UP FOR FREE
AND SENT TO THEIR EMAIL IT'S AT
THE BEGINNING OF EVERY MONTH OR
AT THE END OF EVERY MONTH. 
WITH THAT IN CONCLUSION
OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW CWD REMAINS A
CRITICAL WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT
CHALLENGE.  AGAIN I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE WITH OUR GROUP WERE
TRYING TO COMBINE THE EXPERTS
AND GET THE EXPERT CONSENSUS
AND PUT OUT THE BEST
INFORMATION WE CAN I KNOW WITH
A LOT OF THINGS GETTING
SCIENCE-BASED REVOCABLE
INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT TO
MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS
POSSIBLE I THINK IT'S VERY
OBVIOUS WITH THE PRESENTATION
FROM DR. LARSON AND HIS GROUP
THAT THROUGH OUR COLLABORATION
WITH THEM THE UNIVERSITY
MINNESOTA IN THE SHORT TIME
WITHIN THE PAST YOU'RE TOO HAS
ESTABLISHED ITSELF AS A LEADER
IN CWD RESEARCH AND POLICY WE
ARE EXCITED TO SEE WHERE THIS
TAKES US.  WITH THAT I WILL
TURN IT OVER FOR ANY QUESTIONS
AND STOP SHARING THE SCREEN I'M
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
THE COMMITTEE'S MAY HAVE THANK
YOU.
 MEMBERS ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS?  MR. ANDERSON WHILE
PEOPLE ARE THINKING I WILL ASK
THE SAME QUESTION
REPRESENTATIVE ECKLUND ASKED
DR. LARSON HAS THE BOARD OF
ANIMAL HEALTH REACHED OUT TO
CIDRAP TO INCORPORATE ANY OF
THE SCIENCE OR NATIONAL OR
INTERNATIONAL SCIENCE THAT
YOU'VE ASSEMBLED.
 MR. CHAIR THANK YOU, THEY HAVE
NOT REACHED OUT THAT I'M AWARE
OF.  I'M NOT SURE I CAN SPEAK
FOR MIKE I KNOW IS IN BOXES
CRAZY HE MAY HAVE MISSED IT BUT
NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
 REPRESENTATIVE HEITZMAN.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR I HAD A
QUICK QUESTION RELATIVE TO HOW
CDC IS LOOKING AT THE RESEARCH
WE'VE JUST HEARD ABOUT FROM THE
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA I WOULD
LIKE SOME COMMENTS.
 MR. ANDERSON.
 MR. CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE
THE CDC HAS BEEN PROACTIVELY
WORKING WITH A GROUP AT A CASE
IN WESTERN UNIVERSITY THE
NATIONAL CENTER FOR PRION
DISEASE PATHOLOGY AND
SURVEILLANCE IT'S A MOUTHFUL,
BUT THEY ARE DOING QUITE A FEW
THINGS RELATED TO CWD.  IN
WISCONSIN FOR EXAMPLE THERE
ACTUALLY IS A LIST OF PEOPLE
WHO HAVE HAD AN ANIMAL TEST
POSITIVE THEY WERE INFORMED BY
THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND
THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOLLOWS
UP WITH THEM TO BASICALLY ASK
WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE AND A
NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID
THEY'RE GOING TO CONSUME THE
ANIMAL EVEN IN THE PRESENCE OF
A POSSIBLE TEST SO CDC IS
MAINTAINING THE LIST IS AN
ACTIVE DISEASE SURVEILLANCE
LIST THERE'S FOLLOW-UP WITH
EVERY SUSPICIOUS PRION DISEASE
HUMAN CASE OF HUMAN PRION
DISEASE WHERE THEY DO AUTOPSIES
AND IF IT IS SUSPICIOUS THEY DO
A FOLLOW-UP INTERVIEWS ETC. 
THEY'RE TAKING AN ACTIVE ROLE
IN MAKING SURE THAT CASES OF
HUMAN PRION DISEASE DON'T HAVE
ANY DIRECT CORRELATION TO CWD
AND IF THEY DID THEY WOULD
IDEALLY PICK THAT UP SO THE
HUMAN SURVEILLANCE PIECE IS
VERY IMPORTANT.
 REPRESENTATIVE HEITZMAN.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.  I MAY
NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR MY QUESTION
WHAT IS REFERRING TO IS ASKING
SPECIFICALLY WAS AS THE CDC
BEEN LOOKING AT THIS NEW TEST
THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED BY THE
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND
WHAT ARE THE OPINIONS IF ANY
THAT A BEEN FORMED ON ITS
DEVELOPMENT AND VALIDITY.
 MR. CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE
SORRY FOR MISINTERPRETING THE
QUESTION.  I KNOW RT QUICK AS
DR. LARSON HAS DESCRIBED IS
RELATIVELY NEW TEST IN THE
GROUP AT CASE WESTERN RESERVE
DOES USE IT ON SAMPLES OF
CEREBRAL SPINAL FLUID FOR
EXAMPLE SO IT IS A TEST THAT'S
BEING USED TO POTENTIALLY
DIAGNOSE HUMAN PRION DISEASES I
HAVE NOT HEARD OF A FORMAL
STATEMENT BY CDC AS TO WHETHER
IT'S IN REGULAR USE ETC.  I'M
NOT SURE IF DR. LARSON COULD
SPEAK TO WHETHER THEY REACHED
OUT TO HIM OR IF HE COULD SPEAK
FURTHER ON THAT THANK YOU.
 I COULD FOLLOW-UP REAL QUICKLY
CHAIR HANSEN AND MEMBERS, THE
TEST RT QUICK IT'S PROBABLY
AROUND THREE OR FOUR YEARS OLD
FOUR YEARS OLD NOW.  IT'S
AVAILABLE THE RESEARCH
COMMUNITY LOOKING AT PRION MISS
FOLDING RT QUICK IS TASKED AS
BEING USED FOR RESEARCH IN
ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE AND
PARKINSON'S DISEASE AND ALL THE
PRION DISEASES AND THE VARIOUS
DISEASES THE TEST ITSELF RT
QUICK HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A FEW
YEARS IN THE RESEARCH REALM AND
ONLY NOW AFTER MORE LABS
INCLUDING OUR OWN HAVE ADOPTED
IT IS IT GETTING ENOUGH
MOMENTUM TO BE FORMALLY
VALIDATED BY THE USDA AND I
IMAGINE AT SOME POINT THE CDC
WILL BE INVOLVED IN VALIDATION
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IT'S THUS
FAR BEEN USEFUL FOR RESEARCH
PURPOSES AND NOW IS GETTING
INTO THE VALIDATION FOR
OFFICIAL DIAGNOSTICS.
 REPRESENTATIVE HEITZMAN.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR SO IF
EITHER TESTIFIER COULD ANSWER,
I'M VERY INTERESTED IN KNOWING
WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO
DETERMINE WHETHER THE RT QUICK
PROCESS IS ACCURATE AND
RELIABLE AND USABLE IN REAL
WORLD CIRCUMSTANCES.  ARE WE
YEARS AWAY FROM THAT WHAT IS
THE TIMEFRAME AND WHAT DOES THE
PROCESS LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE
KNOW IF IT'S ALL WE HOPE IT IS.
 MR. ANDERSON OR DR. LARSON.
 I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THIS
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THE
BODY OF LITERATURE THERE ARE
STUDIES BEING CONDUCTED NOW ON
CWD ON USING RT QUICK FOR CWD
SURVEILLANCE THE STORIES ARE
BEING PUBLISHED WHERE THERE
COMPARING THE METHOD TO ELIZA
AND I SEE THE TESTS THE DNR AND
THE BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH ARE
USING THOSE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN
ROUTINELY THAT RT QUICK IS MORE
SENSITIVE IT'S MORE ACCURATE
IT'S ABLE TO PICK UP INFECTIONS
EARLIER SO IT'S A VERY ROBUST
TEST.  OUR OWN WORK INSIDE OF
OUR LABS IS AGREEING WITH WITH
THOSE PUBLISHED STUDIES AND FOR
THE USDA WE ARE WORKING WITH
THE USDA TO VALIDATE TO
FORMALLY VALIDATE THE TESTS AND
THAT PROCESS IS GOING ON AND
WILL GO ON THE NEXT YEAR.  I
WOULD SAY ONCE THE USDA
FORMALLY VALIDATES IT YOU WILL
SEE IN THE NEXT YEAR HOPEFULLY
YOU WILL SEE BROAD ACCEPTANCE
AND LIMITATION AROUND THE
UNITED STATES AND THIS IS WHY
IT'S IMPORTANT THE UNIVERSITY
HAS THIS UP AND RUNNING NOW SO
WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR THAT
WIDESPREAD IMITATION AND HELP
THE BOARD AND THE DNR FOR
SURVEILLANCE.
 MR. ANDERSON ANY RESPONSE.
 NO MR. CHAIR THAT WAS A GREAT
EXPLANATION FROM DR. LARSON.
 REPRESENTATIVE HEINTZ MEN.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR I THINK
THEY'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION
AS BEST THEY CAN THANK YOU FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY.
 SEN.  INGEBRIGTSEN I APOLOGIZE
HE HAD TEXTED ME EARLIER FOR A
QUESTION FOR THE BOARD OF
ANIMAL HEALTH BUT HE HAS A
QUESTION FOR MR. ANDERSON.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR JUST AN
INFORMATIONAL THING.  MAYBE THE
DNR COULD ALSO TELL ME WHAT
KIND OF POPULATION WERE LOOKING
AT THIS YEAR THE ESTIMATE FOR
THE DEER AND WHAT THE TAKE
HOPEFULLY WILL BE AS WELL AS
THE BOARD OF ANIMAL HEALTH.  WE
HAVE 289 CERVIDAE FARMS HOW
MANY DID WE HAVE FIVE YEARS AGO
FIVE YEARS AGO CAN YOU GIVE US
THAT COMPARISON THAT HAVE A
QUESTION FOR MR. ANDERSON.
 DR. THOMPSON.
 DR. THOMPSON.
 SORRY I WAS MUTED MR. CHAIR. 
CAN YOU HEAR ME?  SEN. 
INGEBRIGTSEN I WOULD HAVE TO
PULL UP THAT INFORMATION I
WOULD SAY FIVE YEARS AGO WE
WERE CLOSE TO THE 400 MARK BUT
400 MARK BUT I WILL LOOK THAT
UP AND PROVIDED TO THE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS THANK YOU.
 THANK YOU AND ASSISTANT
COMMISSIONER MEYER DO WE HAVE A
NUMBER ON THE DEER COUNTED
MINNESOTA OBVIOUSLY IS QUITE
STRONG WHAT KIND OF HARVEST ARE
WE TALKING ABOUT.
 MR. CHAIR I WOULD REFER TO
DR. CARSTENSEN ON THAT SHE
PROBABLY HAS THE MOST UP TO
DATE NUMBERS.
 MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS I
BELIEVE THE POPULATION MODELING
ACROSS THE STATE AS INDICATED
STRONG HEARD NUMBERS AND I
RECENTLY WAS LISTENING TO
DR. KELLER WHO RUNS OUR DEAR
PROGRAM TALK ABOUT THAT.  I
THINK OUR TARGETS FOR THIS YEAR
AS FAR AS HARVEST AVENUE BEEN
SIMILAR WE HAVE THE 200,000
DEER KIND OF GOAL AND I BELIEVE
THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS
FALL FOR WHAT WE ARE EXPECTING
COULD BE THE POTENTIAL HARVEST
IN APPROXIMATELY 1 MILLION DEER
1 MILLION DEER ACROSS THE
STATE.
 THANK YOU ANNA QUESTION FOR
MR. ANDERSON.  IT'S A VERY
INTERESTING STUDY AS THE
CONSUMPTION OF THE CWD THAT ARE
INFECTED AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE
PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THAT IS
THAT ON A CONSTANT BASIS OR
SOMEONE WHO SAID THEY HAD AN
AFFECTED DEER AND THEY WERE
GOING TO GO AHEAD AND EAT IT
AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO MONITOR
CAN YOU GIVE ME MORE ON HOW
THAT IS WORKING IT'S
INTERESTING.
 MR. CHAIR, YES THAT IS IT
ONGOING STUDY I BELIEVE THE
LIST I CHECKED HAD OVER 1400
1,400 PARTICIPANTS OR PEOPLE
WHO DID SAY THEY ARE WILLING TO
DO FOLLOW-UP WITH THE CDC.  I'M
NOT SURE AS FAR AS THE DETAILS
GO WHAT THEY ARE DOING ON A
ANNUAL FOLLOW-UP BUT IF A
PERSON ON THAT LIST WERE TO
CONTRACT THE PRION DISEASE OR
DIE OF THE HUMAN PRION DISEASE
I'M SURE THAT WOULD OPEN SOME
INVESTIGATION BY THE CDC AGAIN
I'M NOT SURE THE DETAILS AS FAR
AS WHAT THAT FOLLOW-UP CONSISTS
OF BUT YES THERE IS A LIST OF
PEOPLE FROM WISCONSIN
SPECIFICALLY OF A FAIRLY HIGH
NUMBER WHO ARE KNOWINGLY
CONSUMING POSITIVE ANIMALS.
 THANK YOU MR. CHAIR THAT'S
EVERY YEAR THERE KNOWINGLY
CONSUMING POSITIVE ANIMALS? 
HOW DOES THAT WORK.
 MR. CHAIR, I KNOW IT WOULD BE
THEY WOULD HARVEST A DEER THEY
WOULD GET IT TESTED IT WOULD
COME BACK POSITIVE IT WOULD BE
FOLLOWED UP WITH AND BASICALLY
THE DNR OR THE HEALTH
DEPARTMENT WOULD ASK WHAT THEIR
INTENTIONS WITH THE ANIMAL WERE
THEY WOULD SAY THEY WERE GOING
TO CONSUME IT WHETHER THAT
WOULD BE OVER THE COURSE OF THE
NEXT YEAR OR SO I'M SURE THAT
THE PENS BUT IT'S BASICALLY IN
FOLLOW-UP TO A POSITIVE
DETECTION OF A CASE IN A DEER
IN THE PERSON WHO HARVESTED THE
DEER IS WILLINGLY CONSUMING IT.
 I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TIME
SPAN WOULD BE AND I'M SURE IF
THEY SHOT ANOTHER POSITIVE
ANIMAL AND THAT TESTED POSITIVE
I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD
REDUNDANTLY LIST THEM BUT I'M
SURE THEY WOULD NOTE THAT I'M
NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS
OF THAT BUT I'VE TALKED TO
SOMEONE AT CDC WHO'S IN CHARGE
OF THAT.
 I THINK I WOULD BE VERY
INTERESTED IN THE COMMITTEE AS
WELL AS TO WHEN THAT STARTED
AND WHAT THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN
AND I SUPPOSE THAT'S ONGOING
THE PRION THING CAN HAPPEN FIVE
FIVE OR SIX YEARS AFTER
SIX YEARS AFTER CONSUMPTION I
DON'T KNOW THAT BUT IT'S VERY
INTERESTING SCIENCE.  I'M
ALWAYS INTERESTED IN PEOPLE
WILLING TO DO THAT NOT THAT I'M
SAYING I AM BUT WHY THEY WOULD
DO THAT IT'S AN INTERESTING
CONCEPT BUT IT'S SOMETHING
THAT'S VALUABLE IT SEEMS TO ME.
 CHAIR HANSEN IF I COULD ADD
QUICKLY, IT'S ESTIMATED AT
LEAST 15,000 CWD POSITIVE DEER
ARE CONSUMED IN THE US ANNUALLY
I'VE HEARD OF ESTIMATES AS HIGH
AS 20,000 CWD CARCASSES
CONSUMED IN THE US ANNUALLY
IT'S DUE TO A LACK OF A
DIAGNOSTIC TOOLS WE HAVE BUT
THE CD SEE HIS COREY IS CORRECT
IT'S A NATIONWIDE SURVEILLANCE
SYSTEM THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED AND
THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHO'S
EATING WHO HAS BEEN EXPOSED AND
THEN YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
SEN.  INGEBRIGTSEN THAT PROCESS
COULD TAKE SIX YEARS OR 10
TEN YEARS SO THEY GET ON A LIST
FOR MONITORING THEN THAT'S
CORRECT.
 TO FOLLOW-UP THEN MR. CHAIR. 
THE FOLLOW-UP DR. LARSON OF
THOSE 15 OR 20,000 PEOPLE OR
FAMILIES THAT HAVE CONSUMED
THAT HAVE YOU FOUND ANYONE WHO
HAS YET DIED FROM THESE PRION
DISEASES.
 DR. LARSON.
 CHAIR HANSEN AND SEN. 
INGEBRIGTSEN TO MY KNOWLEDGE
THERE IS THOUGH NO DOCUMENTED
CASE WHERE SOMEONE WHO IS
CONSUMED CWD POSITIVE MEET HAS
CONTRACTED A PRION DISEASE. 
THAT SAID THE CDC IS WORRIED
ABOUT THIS BECAUSE NO TWO
TWO PRIONS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME
AND AS CWD SPREADS TO NEW HERDS
NEW POPULATIONS THOSE CWD
PRIONS CAN BE CHANGE THEIR
SHAPE IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND
THEY'RE WORRIED BECAUSE THERE
MAY BE A STRAIN OF CWD THAT
DOES MATCH TO THE HUMANS AND
CAN START THE DISEASE.
 THANK YOU.
 MEMBERS WE ARE NEARING THE END
I WANT TO NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE
WRITTEN TESTIMONY FROM THE
BLUFF LAND WHITETAIL'S
ASSOCIATION AND THIS MORNING WE
RECEIVED TESTIMONY FROM THE
MINNESOTA DEER HUNTERS
ASSOCIATION BOTH OF THOSE WILL
BE POSTED THE BLUFF LENSES
POSTED ALREADY THAT CAME IN
EARLIER AND SOME OF THE SIGNS
THAT WAS REFERENCED TODAY AND
SOME OF THE PROJECTS FOR
EXAMPLE THE DEER STUDIES FROM
THE DNR ON MOVEMENTS WE CAN
POST ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL. 
WE ARE NEARING THE END OF
HEARING SEN.  INGEBRIGTSEN ANY
CLOSING COMMENTS.
 I DON'T I APPRECIATE THE
DISCUSSION TODAY I THINK EVERY
TIME WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION
ABOUT WHAT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE
TO NOT ONLY OUR CONSUMERS OF
VENISON BUT THE HUNTERS AROUND
MINNESOTA IT'S A HUGE INDUSTRY
THE MORE WE LEARN EVERY TIME WE
GET TOGETHER I APPRECIATE THE
WORK THE SCIENCE COMMUNITY IS
DOING AND THE RESEARCH
COMMUNITY IS DOING AS WELL AS
THE DNR AND THE BOARD OF ANIMAL
HEALTH STAYING ON TOP OF THINGS
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
 MEMBERS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC
WE HAVE ALSO POSTED SEN. 
INGEBRIGTSEN I HAVE TALKED
ABOUT OFF-TOPIC THERE'S A DRAFT
BILL FOR A TECHNICAL CORRECTION
RELATED TO THE LCCMR
APPROPRIATION THAT THERE WAS AN
ERROR IN WE DO NOT KNOW IF
THERE WILL BE A SPECIAL SESSION
IN SEPTEMBER BUT IF THERE IS I
WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO LOOK
AT THAT IT'S AN APPROPRIATION
WHERE THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE
ENDING DATE SO THAT HAS BEEN
POSTED SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT
THAT POTENTIAL AND BUILT IF YOU
WANT TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
 KNOW I THINK YOU HAVE
ADDRESSED THAT, WE DON'T KNOW
YET WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE
A SPECIAL SESSION TO GET THAT
DONE.  WERE FROM THE STATE AND
WERE HERE TO HELP UNFORTUNATELY
IT TAKES A SPECIAL SESSION TO
TAKE CARE OF A SMALL TWEAK LIKE
THAT.
 THANK YOU MEMBERS IT IS
CHALLENGING WITH COVID 19 WERE
19 WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET IN
PERSON, SEN.  INGEBRIGTSEN AND
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE
FOLLOWING ON THE INTENT TO HAVE
INFORMATION WE'VE INVESTED INTO
THE SCIENCE AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF MINNESOTA AS WE'VE HEARD
THEY'RE DOING GREAT WORK I
WOULD ENCOURAGE THE AGENCIES
AND THE UNIVERSITY TO WORK
TOGETHER TO APPROPRIATE THAT
SCIENCE INTO DECISION-MAKING
AND I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THE
ADOPTED DUMPSTER THE KINKS THAT
WERE THERE LAST YEAR HAVE BEEN
WORKED OUT.  WE HAVE 450,000
DEER HUNTERS IN MINNESOTA AND I
THINK I PREDICT THAT NUMBER
WILL GO UP THIS FALL WE HAVE
SEEN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO A
BEEN ANGLING DURING THE SUMMER
WITH THE FISHING LICENSE
NUMBERS HAS GONE UP I PREDICT
WE WILL SEE HUNTING LICENSES GO
UP THAT'S ONE REACTION TO COVID
19 PEOPLE ARE ENGAGING IN MORE
OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.  WERE
TRYING TO REACH NEW HUNTERS AND
REACH UNIQUE HUNTERS WITH
INFORMATION THAT'S IMPORTANT AS
OUR EYES ARE ON THE BALL AT THE
CAPITAL WITH COVID 19 WE CANNOT
19 WE CANNOT IGNORE THE CWD IS
CONTINUING TO SPREAD AND SO
THANK YOU TO THE UNIVERSITY OF
MINNESOTA WORK ON THIS THANK
YOU FOR THE AGENCIES WERE DOING
THIS I WOULD ENCOURAGE
MINNESOTANS TO ENGAGE IN THE
RULEMAKING PROCESS AND CONTACT
LEGISLATORS OR THE UNIVERSITY
IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION
THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM THAT
CONTINUES TO AFFECT NOT ONLY
MINNESOTA BUT OTHER STATES
AROUND THE COUNTRY.  WITH THAT
WE ARE ADJOURNED THANK YOU. 
