

### Interview With Jesus:

### Abortion

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### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Sessions 1-2

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### This ebook is a transcript of two interviews that took place on 18th and 24th April 2012 in Wondai, Australia between Jesus (also known as AJ Miller) and Barbara McNair, on the subject of abortion. In these interviews Jesus describes God's Truth about abortion, contraception, fertility and adoption, the emotional impact abortion has on the child, what happens to the child after it dies, the emotional impact on the parents, and the reasons for miscarriages, premature births and still births.

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Table of Contents

### Part 1: Interview 1

1. Introduction

2. The definition of abortion

3. Religious views on abortion

4. The legal status of abortion

4.1. Most manmade laws address effects and not causes

4.1.1. The example of female sexuality

5. Worldwide statistics relating to abortion

5.1. Abortion is the intention to terminate a child's life from the moment of conception

6. Emotional injuries underlying the choice to abort

6.1. A child is comprised of a soul as well as a physical and spirit body

7. The emotional impact of abortion on the child

7.1. Differences between late term and early term abortions on the child's experience

7.2. The emotional impact of medical staff who carry out abortions

7.3. Abortions can be atoned for by repentance on Earth or in the spirit world

7.4. Believing an aborted child will have a better life in the spirit world is not a loving justification

7.4.1. Experiences of a child growing up on Earth vs. in the spirit world

7.5. Emotions that aborted children go through

8. Miscarriages, premature births and still births

8.1. Miscarriages are due to emotional injuries in the parents

8.2. Emotions create premature and still births

8.3. The emotional impact of miscarriages vs. abortion on the child

9. God views the "rights" of children as gifts to give children

10. What happens to children after they die

10.1. Some aborted children are held Earth bound by other Earth bound spirits

10.2. Mothers grieving a miscarriage can cause a child to become Earth bound

10.2.1. Emotional reasons for miscarriages

10.2.2. Emotions surrounding the parents desiring a child of a specific gender

10.3. Teaching children who have passed about God is based upon the child's desire

10.4. Connecting with the parents depends on the parents' desire

10.4.1. An illustration of a man who forces his wife to have an abortion

11. Soul damage created in the parents who abort the child

11.1. Abortion takes the gift of life away from the child that has been given by God

12. Soul attachment and conception

12.1. Erroneous beliefs about gender differences in soul attachment

12.2. The soul can only ever attach to one body

13. Repentance and abortion

13.1. Reasons for detuning from the emotions associated with having an abortion

13.2. Steps to repentance

13.2.1. Spirit influence can disturb the process of repentance

13.3. Adoption is a loving alternative to abortion

13.4. Truth assists the process of repentance

13.4.1. Delivering truth with judgment makes the repentance process harder

14. Closing Words

### Part 2: Interview 2

15. Introduction

16. How God views abortion

16.1. Differences between desiring an abortion and actually having an abortion on soul condition

16.2. God's view on miscarriages and other premature deaths

16.2.1. Babies that die have already degraded in their soul condition

16.2.2. An example of on child miscarrying during a multiple pregnancy

17. Adoption of children is more loving than abortion

18. God designed fertility to be dependent upon pure desire

18.1. Spirits influence sexuality on Earth

19. All contraception has varying degrees of unlovingness

20. Mediumship with aborted children

20.1. An example of the interviewer's interaction with her children in the spirit world

20.1.1. The interaction with the interviewer's son

20.1.2. The interaction with the interviewer's daughter

20.2. The pros and cons of communicating with children who have been aborted

21. Hypothetical situations involving abortion

21.1. An example of a single poor woman with many children contemplating an abortion

21.2. An example of contemplating abortion during pregnancy but not going through with it

21.3. An example of contemplating abortion if the child is not perfectly healthy

21.4. An example of giving your blessing to your son and his partner to have an abortion

22. Working through repentance about having an abortion

22.1. The benefits of repenting about abortion

22.2. Identifying when the repentance process is complete

22.3. Advice for spirits who have had or have considered abortions

23. Closing Words

Part 1: Interview 1

1. Introduction

Interviewer: Hi, AJ.

AJ: G'day, Barb.

Interviewer: Thanks for joining me today. Today I would like to talk about a very controversial and interesting topic for me - abortion. It is of interest to me because I have had two abortions myself. It's something that I am not proud of, but something that I have to deal with, and I feel there's many women in my situation that have to deal with that. I also feel that there are many other people involved in the decision making processes who need to face the responsibility of being involved in those decisions as well.

AJ: Sure, like many men for instance were involved in the decisions of their wives or partners, or occasional partner, having an abortion, and therefore many of those men bear a fair degree of responsibility as well.

Interviewer: It has been very controversial throughout our society's history - forever, I dare say. Because of the moral issues that we have not faced about it, some of the ethical issues, political issues and the practical issues of it that surround the topic of abortion and the act of abortion.

AJ: Medical issues and all sorts of issues. I agree.

Interviewer: So, maybe the moral issues are a good one to start with, and then I am going to go into lots of other topics that hopefully will flow.

AJ: I feel probably all the issues need to be resolved, but obviously there is a lot of controversy around the moral issues themselves. The main reason why there is controversy is because everyone who has a moral opinion has a different opinion. And what I would like to say first up is that what I would like to present is not my own opinion of the issue, but rather what I have observed through 2,000 years of my life on the issue in the spirit world. I have had the advantage over most people in the sense that I watched the entry of these aborted children come to the spirit world. So therefore I have had the ability to see what is going on from all angles, what is going on for the mother, what is going on for the father, what is going on for society, and what is going on for the child. And I feel that probably the most important issue is what is really going on for the child.

AJ: I want to firstly say that with this issue and any other moral issue that I might ever discuss with people, it is important to understand the difference between the presentation of truth about the issue, and the issue of moral judgement that people have. I do not have any moral judgement, for example, of a murderer. I do not have any moral judgement of a rapist. I do not have moral judgement of violent crimes; I don't have a moral judgement of the person who actually does those crimes. I do want to state the truth about the effects of these crimes and the effects on love, and the effects on the people who these crimes are perpetrated against, and also about the effects of these particular things on the perpetrator.

AJ: For some people currently on the Earth, abortion is viewed as a crime and therefore they have a lot of moral judgement towards anybody who actually commit that crime. I don't have that same moral judgement. I want to help any person to become more loving, and that includes helping a murderer or a rapist or people who others judge as an abortionist, or whatever. And I feel it is important to state this upfront.

AJ: Secondly, it is very important to state upfront with this particular subject that there is no need for anybody to have any judgement about any crime. The main reason why we have judgement is because we have a lot of hurt about the issues inside of us; on either side of the judgement fence we have a lot of hurt. And the more hurt we release internally about any of these issues the less judgement you will actually feel.

AJ: That does not mean though that for whatever the issue is, for example the issue of murder, that the issue of murder does not have a moral answer. I am not saying that I am amoral when it comes to any of these issues because I have observed some very definite things from the spirit world, and I therefore have some very strong moral stance about these particular issues. However, I don't feel the persons who commit these particular things against morality need to be judged in any way. They just need to have some assistance if they want it. I don't need to force it upon them.

AJ: Any person listening to this interview needs to bear in mind that I am not trying to force any moral stance upon them. I am going to be presenting God's stance to you, and it's up to you to make your own choices and decisions. Like it always is.

Interviewer: That puts me at ease a bit more with all these questions. I know that you are not judging me and I actually feel that as well.

AJ: You know that I love you and care about you; we have known each other long enough now to know that. I haven't treated you any differently after you told me that you had had an abortion than before.

2. The definition of abortion

Interviewer: No you never have and I am grateful for that. Let us talk about the definition of abortion first of all. Wikipedia defines abortion as: "Abortion is defined as the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a foetus or embryo prior to viability." And the Webster Dictionary defines abortion as: "Abortion is defined as the act of giving premature birth; particularly the expulsion of the human foetus prematurely, or before it is capable of sustaining life." Is there such a time when the foetus or embryo can be classified prior to viability or before it is capable of sustaining life?

AJ: This is an important question. The answer, bluntly, is no. From God's perspective and what you observe in the spirit world when a couple get together and they have sex, the moment of conception is the moment that the soul of the child has actually been attached to the spirit body and physical body. And this happens within a few moments of conception. When I say a few moments, it is not a very long period at all.

AJ: And in fact in many cases, if the woman in particular is sensitive to that attachment of the soul to the growing organism within the womb, at that point then she will also feel that conception has taken place. She will be able to feel and sense the soul of the child already.

Interviewer: I must admit that the two pregnancies that I aborted, I did not feel that. But at the age of around forty, I fell pregnant again and I knew instantly I was pregnant. And when I told my husband at the time, he responded; "How would you know that?" However, I instantly knew.

AJ: The reason why in the earlier pregnancies that you did not feel it is because denial through the human mind has a large effect on what you feel. And the human mind in denial has a very large effect from its own body even. There are many people who feel very little pain in their own body, and yet as soon as they connect, they stop using denial as a tool to control what happens, then they start to feel the pain in different areas of the body.

AJ: It is similar in principle when it comes to pregnancy. Pregnancy is not a pain in the body, but if the mind is in denial and does not want to be pregnant, then that has a very large effect on whether the person is sensitive to the pregnancy that is actually occurring.

Interviewer: That was the case with my first two pregnancies, but in the third pregnancy I was desiring it.

AJ: That is correct. Since you were desiring it, you were now open to the knowing of it. The instant you became pregnant, you knew straight away. The reason why, is because the little tiny soul, if we could call it that, is a soul in its first incarnation, it is not a reincarnation soul but a first incarnation soul that is now attached to those organisms. The organisms are two bodies growing inside the womb - one is the physical body and the other is a spirit body. They look almost identical to each other as they grow, and genetically their structure is very similar. As they grow, the woman generally becomes aware because of the changes to her body, but she is capable of being aware right from the moment of conception.

3. Religious views on abortion

Interviewer: I would like to mention a few religious viewpoints regarding abortion. Early Judo-Christian traditions dating back thousands of years always valued the unborn human life. The teaching of the twelve Apostles states that, "Thou shalt not kill the child in the womb or murder a new born infant."

AJ: There were even penalties in Judaism before Christianity associated with the hitting of the woman, who was pregnant, and then causing the miscarriage or aborting of the child. That was condemned. In fact the person could actually be stoned to death for such an act under Judaism Law. It began many, many, many thousands of years ago this condemnation of this abnormal termination of a child's life.

Interviewer: The Catholic Church opposes abortion because it believes that life is sacred and inviolable. Orthodox churches generally forbid abortion as going against the commandments – "Thou shalt not kill". The Church of England states that the unborn child is alive and created by God.

Interviewer: Islam teaches that life begins at conception and is created by God. Abortion on any grounds is forbidden in the Islamic holy book. Chapter 6, verse 1, volume 1 states; "Do not kill or take a human life which God has declared to be sacred." In Judaism, the Jewish law forbids the taking of innocent life, and stresses that human beings are made in the image of God. Even a foetus in its mother's womb is made in the image of God. In Hinduism scriptures refer to abortion as womb killing and describe abortion as the greatest of sins. Gandhi, himself said "It is clear to me as daylight that abortion would be a crime."

AJ: All of these religions feel very similarly. I feel that morally they do have it correct to a degree, but their judgement of the person who commits an abortion is where morally they exceed their boundaries. In other words, it is okay to state the truth as it is apparent, and the truth from God's perspective about an issue, it's quite a different thing then to have a judgement upon the people who disobey that truth. And that is where I feel that most religions take this way too far.

AJ: For example, if we look at Judaism in my time in the first Century, a purposeful abortion was taken as a crime, but then they stoned to death the mother. Rather than looking at the reasons why the mother did the thing, helping her to correct her behaviour in some way, or helping her to see what the emotional perspective was. A lot of times it was driven by her being raped or some other thing, and yet the father or man who raped her was not addressed in any way under these circumstances. So often there was a large degree of unfairness in the way to which a woman was treated in regard to her having committed an abortion.

AJ: The same applies to many of the religions, and this is what I wanted to say at the beginning. Unfortunately it is one thing to state this is the truth from God's perspective, it is quite another thing then to take action against the person who commits the crime, which is, in its self, another crime. From God's perspective taking action against a person who committed the first crime is another crime. For example, when a group of people project a huge amount of rage at the person who has had an abortion in the past, they are committing another crime; that group of people, not the person who committed the abortion. The group of people who are angry are committing another crime. And so it grows and grows.

AJ: This is where I see that religions exceed their boundaries. So while it is one thing to present God's perspective on the matter and all the religions viewpoints generally, have as their basic principle God's viewpoint on the matter. It is quite harmful then to take vindictive or angry or resentment based actions against the people who perpetrate such crimes. This is the case with any crime, by the way. Anything that any person dictates as a crime, the fact that you are now angry, and the fact that you are now attacking them, and the fact that you are attempting to use violence against them, is another crime. There are many people, who are very hardline with abortionist, and there are many who are prepared to use violence against them. This illustrates how way out of harmony with God they are in terms with their judgement.

AJ: While I agree with some of the perspectives of some of those religions, I can't agree with them using that as a basis for an underlying attack upon a person who has committed anything that they believe to be a crime.

4. The legal status of abortion

Interviewer: That leads straight on to the legal status of abortion in countries. Worldwide governments have frequently banned abortion, and it is limited by law.

AJ: It is very different in every country depending upon their religious backgrounds and so forth.

Interviewer: I looked up about 30 or 40 countries and it was an interesting concept.

AJ: Even in our country here, Australia, in each of the 6 states and 2 territories it is very different.

Interviewer: Notably though, abortion rates are similar in countries where the procedure is legal to countries where it is not legal.

AJ: Exactly, so the law has had no effect on abortion rates, really.

Interviewer: Abortion is legal in the majority of countries for the following reasons; to save a women's life; to preserve physical health; to preserve mental health; in the case of rape or incest; foetal impairment or economic or social terms. Now that covers a lot of situations.

4.1. Most manmade laws address effects and not causes

AJ: It does, and unfortunately if we look at those things that you listed, they are all effects of other problems. This is something that often happens in humanity. We make a series of laws only to address the effect of problems rather than dealing with the cause.

AJ: For example, one of the things you mentioned was this feeling of, "Let us make abortion okay in the case of rape." Well, that does not deal with the fact that the woman has been raped, and it does not address why she has been raped. It does not address the male who has raped her and what is going on with him, and why he actually committed that crime. All it does is it creates another law based on an effect. In other words, she has been raped and now we have to deal with the consequences of the rape.

AJ: The problem that I see with all laws in humanity at the moment is that they primarily deal with effects only. They don't actually address the causes. For example, a woman getting sick during pregnancy, there are specific causes to that, which generally the medical profession blames on the pregnancy, or associates with the pregnancy, but it has other reasons emotionally for causing it. Instead of discovering those reasons emotionally because they don't believe that emotions can create physical problems, they then go down the track of dealing with the effect of the woman getting sick and so forth. For example, recommending to the woman that she has an abortion to save her own life.

AJ: The problem with all laws I feel, is that they do not address the actual cause. If you don't address the cause then you just are going to continually handle the effects, over and over again. So more laws evolve as each effect becomes more complex. As we stop addressing causes, each effect becomes more complex, we then have to create more complex laws to address the effects. Eventually nobody, not even the lawyers, knows what the law is on a particular matter because it has been modified so many times. I feel that that is not the way to address these issues. But it is the way that many governments address these issues of course, because they feel powerless to address the issue any other way.

Interviewer: That covers a lot of situations. All these countries, governments, persons of authority have it all wrong because we base our decisions often on what the law says we can do.

AJ: Of course. And yes I do believe they have it all wrong in a lot of ways because they are creating laws to deal with effects, rather than laws to address causes. The way God works is that all of God's Laws address causes and not effects. God notices the effect but wants us to address the cause, so that the effect can never occur again. The problem with humanity is that we don't understand the relationship between cause and effect. We do scientifically understand it most of the time. Scientifically, you know if you drive a car into a brick wall the car is going to crumble, that is the effect. What was the cause? Me driving it into the wall! If I don't drive it into the wall, I won't have the effect of the front end of my car crumpling.

Interviewer: In those situations, which are simplistic, I can understand it. But when it comes to the emotional reasons why we did things, it is more complex.

AJ: Exactly, it is more complex and perhaps more difficult to address, although it just might seem so, because most people on the Earth are living in their minds, and therefore are not able to feel their emotions, and are therefore not able to see the underlying cause. My suggestion is that if you are able to feel your emotions you will often very rapidly understand the cause of why an event occurred, and what your underlying motive was to take that action.

AJ: We have to be careful when we judge society, when we look at society and analyse it, that we do not analyse it through the error we are already in. And this is another thing that humanity has a habit of doing. In other words, what we do is we look at something happening, for example with animals, we look at animals eating each other and then we go and say that God must have created it that way. That is basically removing ourselves as having any potential causal influence on the actual result. So basically what we are saying is, "God created animals that way and that gives me the justification for eating the animals, and it gives me the justification for a lot of other things." Without actually realising that, me and my emotions are affecting these animals, and causing them to eat each other. Once my emotions change, the animals won't eat each other anymore. That cause is never addressed because nobody ever thinks that, that this is a potential answer.

AJ: So what we do instead through our observation is we observe something happening and then we think that is how God made it to be, when it is not how God made it to be. It is how mankind modified it to be through their soul based condition.

AJ: And this is the same problem here. Mankind often looks at a situation, sees it without understanding all of the causes and changes laws to change the effect. This often creates more causes which they then have to address with more laws to address the effects of those causes, rather than addressing the cause from the beginning.

4.1.1. The example of female sexuality

Interviewer: On that subject, this would relate to the female body and contraception.

AJ: Exactly. Why does the average girl become sexually able to conceive a child at a time when she is not emotionally able to handle the conception? Why does that happen? There is an emotional reason why that happens, which is in all of humanity actually. And when that emotional reason is addressed the problem won't occur. Her body and her emotions will develop at the same speed, and when she is emotionally able to handle giving birth to a child she will also physically be able to conceive.

AJ: We are doing this all the time with many matters. We need to stop for a moment and see that we are very averse to addressing the actual cause of an issue, because we often believe it to be too complex. What we try to do is create a whole set of laws to address the effect of the issue because we feel that is easier to understand. In fact what it does it creates more complex causes, which have more complex effects. In the end we end up in total confusion as to what is right and what is wrong, right across the board in all areas of our lives.

5. Worldwide statistics relating to abortion

Interviewer: Let us talk about some statistics. We have an estimate of 44 million abortions performed globally each year, with approximately half of those performed unsafely. Unsafe abortions result in approximately 70,000 deaths of the mothers, and 5 million disabilities per year globally. These figures have come from The World Health Organisation. In the spirit world, you mentioned before, that you have seen results of these 44-50 million abortions.

AJ: There is a group of children who pass over into the spirit world who have been aborted, and there is also a group of children who have passed over into the spirit world who have been miscarried. If you add both of those groups together in terms of their emotions, which often times are very similar for those children, it ends up in the hundreds of millions per annum. Nearly 200 hundred million children, every single year attempt to incarnate onto planet Earth to have a life based experience on Earth, that don't make it through to birth.

Interviewer: Interesting that you picked 200 because I had read 205 approximately.

5.1. Abortion is the intention to terminate a child's life from the moment of conception

AJ: Some of those have been from the mother's perspective, and the father's perspectives, and have been intentionally terminated. That is what I would classify as an abortion. My classification of an abortion is anything from the moment of conception where a person has taken an intentional attitude towards a child, where it wishes to terminate its life. Unfortunately we tell ourselves a lot of things like "It's not even a child".

AJ: The other 150 million plus are the ones that the mother considers are not intentional, but unfortunately they do have a large bearing again based on the mother and father's emotional condition, and what kind of demands they are placing upon the soul of the child that causes the child to exit. The soul and the spirit body can no longer retain a connection with the physical body, and therefore life cannot be maintained by the physical body of the person who is in the womb, and so the child in the womb dies, as the saying goes. Of course the child has not died, it has just moved onto the spirit world under those circumstances.

AJ: There are over 150 million of those happening every year as well. And each of them has differing emotional reasons for them to happen but we need to address their cause.

6. Emotional injuries underlying the choice to abort

Interviewer: What are the main emotional injuries that would cause a woman to have an abortion in our society today? And has that emotional injury changed over history?

AJ: It is interesting that you ask the question say, "That caused the woman to have an abortion." I don't view it that way either. I view it as causing the couple to have an abortion, because both the male and the female, from whom the child has been conceived, have a direct responsibility for the life of the child they have conceived. It is not just the woman's responsibility for the abortion; it is also the man's responsibility for the abortion as well. So what we need to do is look at the emotions in both the woman and the man that might have caused them to consider an abortion.

AJ: If you ask that question, well now there are a huge number of emotions. For instance, many women have actually had abortions not because they wanted to, but because the man told them they had to otherwise the man would leave them. So you could say, under those circumstances that the man had the desire not to have the child, the man did not want to recognise the child he had create. And what he has done, is now he is emotionally trying to force the woman into an abortion by threatening her and saying, "I am not going to have a relationship with you if you have this child."

AJ: Under those circumstances the woman has an emotion where she is willing to pander to the man's desires, and sacrifice even her own feelings for the sake of this relationship. This is an emotional injury she has where she is willing to sacrifice the life of another person, the child itself, for the sake of maintaining this relationship. That should tell her how strongly and badly her neediness is for the relationship, and yet she is not considering the character of the man. He is willing to leave her under this circumstance, so therefore his character is quite unstable in terms of having a stable loving marriage, or stable loving partnership. This is where many people skip over many issues.

AJ: In the scenario I just gave, who has the primary responsibility? Well the man is firstly threatening the woman with, "I am not going to look after the child, and I am not going to have a relationship with you if you have this child." So there is the threat towards the woman. The woman obviously believes the threat, which is her first error emotionally. Secondly, she is willing to sacrifice the life of a child for the sake of pandering to this perceived threat, which is another emotional injury where she is willing to tell herself, "This conception is not a life, it is not a developed child, so I can get rid of it now and I am safe in this relationship." So can you see her feelings of a lack of safety in not having a man in her life, not having a father in her life, and a lot of other things would cause her then to take the action?

AJ: The issue of the emotional reasons of why a person would take the steps of having an abortion is very, very complicated, and I have just given one of many hundreds of different emotional reasons. The emotional reason is never the same for any individual person, ever. You will see commonalities, but each individual person has specific differences that cause them to think differently and emotionally respond differently.

Interviewer: In my case, my first abortion was similar to that where my husband didn't want the child and he paid for me to have the abortion. But I did not give it another thought.

AJ: And why didn't you? Because society had already told you something that you wanted to believe. Society is telling you, "This is not a child yet!" And so there is an acceptance inside of you that it is not a child yet. Even though if you tuned into your feelings, you would have been able to feel the soul of that child already connected to you. But you pushed that away so there was an acceptance already through society that it is not a child yet until a certain age. Hence the Webster dictionary commenting that it does not have viable life yet, so it is not really a child yet; not actually understanding how the process of conception actually works.

6.1. A child is comprised of a soul as well as a physical and spirit body

AJ: There is this belief system throughout the planet through science and the medical profession that the child is not a physical entity, not understanding that the child is not only the physical. The physical is just a body that the child uses, and the spirit body is also a body that the child uses, but for a different dimensional existence. The soul is the real child which was connected to these two organisms even before they became an embryo. It is the soul, connected to these two organisms, that is absorbing the experience. It is actually the soul which now feels every single piece of physical pain that that organism experiences; the soul experiences all of that. This physical body and spirit body were created, through this process of conception, to enable this soul to have an experience in both the physical world and the spirit world.

AJ: Unfortunately man is capable of killing the physical body. The emotions in different people, through choice, make them capable of killing the physical child, not understanding that it is not the actual child, and the spirit body is not the actual child either. The actual child is the soul, the half of the soul in fact that God created, split at incarnation, and that particular soul is absorbing the experiences of these bodies.

AJ: So when someone puts it in a vitamiser and destroys the physical body, all the pain from that action is absorbed by the soul. And when people start understanding that, then they will start understanding what is really going on with any of these things, with regard to conception, the pregnancy, abortion and miscarriage, and a lot of other issues as well.

Interviewer: We have obviously chosen through our history not to feel this.

AJ: Yes although when you talk to mothers, when you talk to a mother who would love to have a child, she knows straight away, generally, when she is pregnant. It is only the ones who would not like to have a child for all sorts of reasons, and some of the reasons you can understand completely. There are many people in the Catholic religion who are forced by the Catholic faith to have child after child after child. By the time they get to the fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh child, and they are not allowed to take contraception, they are now starting to become overwhelmed by the process of being a parent. So of course they are now going to start considering what actions they are going to take that might be in disharmony with morality. Even though the Catholic religion states that they don't agree with abortion, the Catholic religion states that they don't agree with contraception. If you ask the 1.5 billion Catholics on the planet how many have contraception and whether they have had an abortion, most of the people who are a part of the Church would be actually shocked with the results.

AJ: That demonstrates that there is something further and deeply wrong, and that is what I am saying about the cause. There are causal reasons that are deeper than just discussing the effect of abortion. Abortion is the effect of the underlying emotional reasons, which are very different for each person.

7. The emotional impact of abortion on the child

Interviewer: You were talking about the pain that the soul feels. Does the soul feel any pain during the experience? Does it feel physical pain as well as emotional pain?

AJ: Yes, both. The emotional pain in particular is the worst pain for the soul. The soul is now just connected to a spirit body, and there are nurses in the spirit world that will take the aborted child and look after the aborted child.

AJ: One of the biggest problems the nurse faces is actually to have the child feel loved, when it has already been rejected by its own mother and its own father. Most of the time both the mother and father have rejected it. This child arrives in the spirit world with huge emotional issues of rejection. As a result of that, these spirits who look after the child keep the child very close to them and constantly emotionally remind them that they are now loved, even though their mummy and daddy did not love them. This is a very emotional process, and it takes quite some time before that aborted child releases those emotions. Because the child has very little intellectual capacity to resist the emotions, when the child arrives in the spirit world, it often spends days, sometimes months, depending upon the severity of the problem, crying as a result of the rejection, without even knowing why it is crying. It has a large amount of sadness and grief to work its way through.

AJ: Once it works its way through that grief, which is a fairly natural process, and the spirits look after the child so that it does experience that grief, it does not generally then feel a connection to its parents. It is not emotionally connected to both parents on Earth because both parents rejected it, and both parents have very little love for it. It very rarely visits the parents. It is only when one or both of the parents start thinking about the aborted child, and starts having some growing feelings of love towards the child, that the child might enter a relationship with them again.

Interviewer: And that could be a very long time.

AJ: It could be a very long time or never in some cases. There are many women who have passed over into the spirit world who have had abortions on Earth who are still in what you would classify as the hells of the spirit world, and who are yet to have a feeling of love towards their aborted child.

Interviewer: From my point of view, if I had not have heard some of your teachings about God's Laws, I would not have been open to them existing. I did not want to feel it or think about it.

AJ: Exactly. Many women who have had abortions on Earth pass into the spirit world without even a concept that the child exists in the spirit world and they could easily find them if they wish to, and actually even learn about them and discover them for the first time.

AJ: There are many women in the spirit world when they first pass over, who have committed an abortion or have had abortions on Earth, and there are many men in exactly the same position. Remember I am not separating the men from the women here, because the fathers have just as much of a responsibility, or more responsibility. There are many women who have had forced abortions through the men they have been with and the men bear very severe responsibilities, not the women in those instances. The men who have forced abortions upon their wives bear severe responsibility. Many of those men pass over without any idea of what they have done, and wonder why they are sitting in the depths of darkness in the hells of the spirit world for long periods of time. Believing themselves to be a good man, or a good woman all their life without conceiving the abortion is the reason why they are in that condition.

7.1. Differences between late term and early term abortions on the child's experience

Interviewer: Does a late term abortion have different impacts on the soul of the child to that of an early term abortion?

AJ: Yes, it does. The more the child is developed inside of the womb, the more emotional attachment it has towards its environment including its mother and its father, and more strongly it can feel the sensations of its physical body. So if a late term abortion occurs, the child has very, very strong sensations from its physical body. If you compare that to somebody taking the morning after pill and aborting the child at that point, the physical sensation is very different.

AJ: The emotional sensation is also very different because the child has had the chance to attach emotionally to the emotions of its parents while it is in the womb. As of a result, the longer it stayed in that condition, the more connected it is to the parents' emotions. And so when it is rejected through a process of an abortion, it does have a very strong emotional reaction to the abortion in comparison to the firstly conceived child.

AJ: The firstly conceived child might cry for a few days or a week of human time about its rejection, but because it is now receiving a lot of love from other people in the spirit world, it can easily re-attach to those people as its parents, if you like.

Interviewer: Does it have a concept of love at this stage?

AJ: It has a concept of love at that stage because built into all of us is this underlying feeling that we know when we are feeling love and when we are not feeling love. It has a concept of love at that stage. It does not have an intellectual understanding of how it feel, such as, "Oh, that is the feeling of love." It does not know that – it just feels.

AJ: Whereas a child aborted at say five months into its term, it has five months of connection to its mother; it now has a far more developed physical body, and in a lot of ways almost a completely developed physical body. Most of its limbs are now present, and there are many other parts of its body that they are aware of. And when the child is aborted, it goes through quite a lot of physical pain, and also quite a lot of emotional pain because of the loss of the connections that it had developed up until that time. A child in that condition may cry even up to a year in the spirit world when it first arrives. Most of them would cry up to three months of time until they release those emotions regarding how they feel, and then they have the chance to bond to the person who is caring for them in the spirit world.

Interviewer: That is quite disturbing for me because I was in denial that I was pregnant in both my instances and almost rubbing vanishing cream on my tummy. Both of my abortions were late term abortions.

AJ: The key is to allow yourself to feel the emotion. The beauty of this whole thing is that the abortion is the effect. This is the thing to remember. It is the effect of a number of causal emotional issues inside of a person. You taking a late term abortion was the effect of a number of issues. Firstly, it was the effect of you remaining in denial that you were actually pregnant and wanting to deny that you were pregnant. There is that effect, so you need to examine why you wanted to remain in denial that you were pregnant. Why did you want to ignore that you were pregnant? There will be all sorts of issues; there will be the father's opinion of the pregnancy, the father's view of your relationship, your own opinion if you have a child as to how it will affect the father because he is so anti in having a child. There are all these factors of why you wanted to remain in denial.

AJ: And also there would have been a host of belief systems that would have been part of this. The belief system that it is not really a child until it comes out of my womb in a natural birth, or in some kind of birth process such as a Caesarean Section.

AJ: There is this thinking which often amazes me. Often the same doctor that often performs the abortion is happy to perform the abortion with the justification of certain actions before the full term of the pregnancy. But when the child becomes full term, the same doctor will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of his own time trying to save that child in a humidicrib, or something like that. This is one of the conundrums of the human concept of life. Unfortunately we have a very ill defined view of the concept of life, on the planet. As a result of that we take completely the opposite actions that you would expect under the circumstances.

AJ: The reality is from God's perspective the child at the time of conception is now attached to the organisms that are now growing in the mother's womb, which eventually turn into the embryo and the foetus. At the moment of attachment, that particular soul of the child is now experiencing life through that connection. It is experiencing emotions through that connection. It is now experiencing physical sensation through that connection. Even though it is not intellectually conscious until the time that the brain of both bodies develops, it is emotionally conscious because the soul is emotionally conscious at the time of conception.

7.2. The emotional impact of medical staff who carry out abortions

Interviewer: You mentioned doctors and nurses. For people carrying out those procedures, or encouraging or defending abortion, what is the impact on their souls?

AJ: There is a very large effect. Every single one of these people, generally, if they don't change their actions and don't feel sorry for their actions at some point whilst they are alive on Earth, will pass into the hells of the spirit world and then go through a process of coming to realise what they have done. Once they realise what they have done, they are able to progress in the spirit world and get out of the condition that they were in. But many abortionists are not aware that they assisted murder after murder after murder from the perspective of God's Laws, and therefore they arrive in the spirit world with a lot of justification for their actions, but also in a very dark condition. Many of them remain in that condition for many hundreds of years. I have seen many remain in that condition for thousands of years.

Interviewer: I saw an American program on television, which was an anti-abortion program. It was about a doctor in America who ran an abortion clinic. This man had performed thousands upon thousands of abortions, and throughout the interview he was in total denial. His health was appalling, he was in bad shape, and my heart just went out to him. Because of the denial he had, he justified his actions down to every level. But looking at him physically, he was a very unhealthy man.

AJ: It is sad because a lot of the times many of these people, these doctors and so forth who commit these abortions, do not realise that they often have large numbers of spirits connected to them also justifying taking those actions. It often takes their passing, and then there is a disconnection from the people who are with them from the spirit world who are influencing their decisions. It often takes many hundreds of years afterwards for them to actually realise that, "Wow. I have committed all of these murders and justified those actions".

AJ: Once they do, then there are two ways they can progress. One way is that they have to pay for the pain of every one of those children who has been aborted by them. Or they can go through a process of repentance, which is a process of grieving through all of the reasons why you chose to take such actions.

AJ: It is possible for these people in the spirit world to actually get out of their condition as well. This is why I don't have judgement of them, I am just saying that they are in disharmony with the Laws of Love and the principles of love, and there are consequences to any actions that we take that are in disharmony with the principles of love. Any person can go through a process of clearing away for themselves the reasons why they do such things. Every person can change even if they pass into the spirit world.

7.3. Abortions can be atoned for by repentance on Earth or in the spirit world

AJ: This is something where I have a big disagreement with the religious movement, because many religions say that once you set your life in a certain pattern here on Earth and you die in that condition, then your life in the spirit world is fixed. This causes a lot more pain in the spirit world because there are many people who have come to terms that they have done wrong things whilst here on Earth, but once they enter the spirit world they feel their life is fixed and there is nothing they can do about it now.

Interviewer: This concept has caused me enough pain after meeting you, let alone when I get to the spirit world, because it is an easy way out now that I have recognised it.

AJ: The key is to recognise that we can change at any time in our lives. We can come to terms with what we have done here on Earth, or we can come to terms with what we have done when we are in the spirit world. We have a choice to do either. My recommendation to all persons is to do it while they are here, because they will have much more fun in the spirit world after they pass if they do that. But they need to understand to a degree God's Laws on many matters. God's Laws about life and the abortion issue is very much about God's Laws about life.

7.4. Believing an aborted child will have a better life in the spirit world is not a loving justification

Interviewer: Some say, "Aborted children are much better off in the spirit world than they would be with me because I did not want them; I was not able to love them."

AJ: I agree that a child is much better off with a person who loves them, rather than with a person who does not want them and is willing to reject them. I agree with that statement. However, the mother is skipping over a lot of issues and emotions when she makes those statements. She is skipping over the fact that she has committed a murder from the perspective of the Laws of God. And she is skipping over the fact that she has caused a lot of initial pain for that child. That child has got to feel a lot of grief, and go through a lot of things that it would not have normally had to gone through if it had a different life.

AJ: The mother is telling herself a story so she can avoid some of her feelings of sorrow. My suggestion to mothers who are doing that is to stop doing that, and start allowing yourself to feel the child who you have aborted. Allow yourself to feel the real reasons why you aborted, rather than just looking at the effects. Sure, it is better that the child is with a person in the spirit world who loves the child, but better still would be the child being with the person who loves them on Earth.

7.4.1. Experiences of a child growing up on Earth vs. in the spirit world

AJ: Now the reason for this is for many of these children who pass over into the spirit world without first being born on Earth, have a struggle to understand life to a large degree. Earth is what you would classify as the nursery of our human existence. And like in any nursery, you learn basic things in a nursery. God intended for all of humanity to go through the nursery. If you go through the nursery there is a higher likelihood that you will learn these basic things about life, and basic principles about love.

AJ: When a child is aborted before it has that opportunity to learn about life and to learn about love in some way, it has a bit of a struggle initially to come to terms with both those things; how to exercise its life and also what love is, and how love is to be expressed. There are people in the spirit world who assist the child to go through such transitions, but unfortunately it is a lot harder for them than if the child was on Earth going through the same transition.

Interviewer: I agree with that concept, but the way the Earth is today it is hard to come to terms that the nursery on Earth would be better than the nursery in the spirit world, based on the conditions on Earth today.

AJ: There are things they can learn from the nursery on Earth which are very difficult to teach in the spirit world nurseries. There are a lot of reasons why the format is different in the spirit world, as well as very different in the way that the child learns. On Earth there is this natural progression in the way that learning occurs. Whereas in the spirit world, children who have been aborted have to be taught how to learn. That takes the child a much longer time to come to terms with, than if they were on Earth in a condition where they are being loved. In the spirit world, these aborted children firstly have to go through these terrible emotions of rejection, not being wanted, not being loved; all of these terrible emotions are the first emotions that they experience.

AJ: For that reason, unless the child is looked after very carefully, much of their life can be dictated by those particular emotions for a specific time in the spirit world. If the child was loved at the beginning of its conception and loved through the process, then the primary emotion that it is experiencing right in the beginning of its life is love. Love, not rejection, not hatred, not fear, not any of those other emotions. Any child who is born on Earth through the natural process has had some experience of being loved, at least. Whereas in the spirit world, every single child who has been aborted has had as its very first experience one of rejection, not being loved, not being wanted, not being cared for, not being desired. Imagine your very first experience of life, instead of it being this feeling that somebody wants you and, this feeling that somebody loves you, and this feeling that someone cares for you; it is this terrible feeling that nobody wants me, nobody loves me, and nobody cares for me. And you do not have the intellectual awareness to not absorb these feelings.

AJ: There is no way of saying that mummy is just having a hard time at the moment, because its mind is not developed at this stage. It is just getting a barrage. There is no thought like, "Daddy just has a problem with responsibility." There is no possibility of those thoughts passing through its mind, because its mind is not developed. All it is doing is receiving this huge barrage of negative emotions, for which it has no other experience that it can compare with. It only has those emotions.

AJ: If you can think about it like that, you can start to understand how difficult it is when the child arrives in the spirit world. Whereas, the person who has gone through the development with mum and dad and they desire their company, who at least desires life, even if they know they cannot look after them. Let us say it is a twelve year old child who has become pregnant and knows she cannot look after it. If she just desires the life of the child to carry it to full term then give it up for adoption, the child at least has had the experience that its life is honoured. And the mother who is a twelve year old child has had enough love for this child to carry it full term; for nine months she has enough love for the child to survive that period of time.

AJ: That child has a far bigger head start in life than the child who has been aborted and passed into the spirit world. The child who has been aborted and passed into the spirit world has a whole range of very difficult emotions, of which it has nothing to compare with, having no experience before it has the ability to grow. As a result of that, its growth is quite stunted in the first part of its life. Whereas the child coming onto the Earth where there is violence and where there is trauma and problems, at least they experience somebody respecting their life. At least they experience somebody wanting to carry them full term. Somebody who has enough love for them to experience one of their first experiences, love, instead of them experiencing hatred or resentment or rejection.

7.5. Emotions that aborted children go through

Interviewer: Would one of the emotions that an aborted soul in the spirit world experience be self worth?

AJ: Yes! Terrible issues of self worth until they have released all these emotions of rejection and being unwanted. Consider how the average person on Earth is with self worth, the aborted child spirits have the worst imaginable conditions of self worth than any person on Earth could imagine when the aborted child first passes.

Interviewer: For nursing in the spirit world, would that have to be part of observing failure to thrive, a term used in nursing for babies?

AJ: In the spirit world, there are groups of expert spirits who take on all of these nursing duties for aborted children. There are many billions of women spirits who are involved in this job. These spirits are very well versed at how to help the child work through these initial emotions; their feelings of low worth, their feelings of rejection of not being wanted, feelings of nobody having respect for their life, and all the other feelings that aborted children feel.

AJ: These women and men spirits are very capable parents. What they do is they help the child go through the pain of their initial existence, and then because of their attitude towards the aborted child, the children do end up with self worth, and they do end up not feeling rejected anymore because the children release those emotions. It is important to understand that the child does not remain in those conditions when it arrives in the spirit world because of the help it receives. It is important to understand that, "Oh they have passed and everything is happy for them," this is not the case at all!

Interviewer: What is the process on an average?

AJ: Let's say the mother took the morning after pill and she was pregnant. For a child aborted using that technique, it might have a week or two of crying to do in the spirit world. It will have no conscious thought as to why it is crying, it just feels unhappy and it will cry for a week or two. It still has to go through all these other issues, but now the nursing mother has the ability to give it the feeling that it is worth something, give it the feeling that it is cared for and is wanted. Give it all the feelings that it never got from its parents while it was on Earth. The mother and father in the spirit world (often it is both or either) who do this give it those feelings, so after a few months of its existence in the spirit world, it starts to feel that it is worth something, and it starts to feel that it is cared for and feels wanted.

AJ: In the case of a child that has been aborted late term, let's say it was aborted in the fourth month, although some are even aborted much later than that. Those types of children already have large amounts of issues when they pass into the spirit world. So their grief may last much longer. I have seen children still crying a year later in the spirit world; a year of Earth time. Imagine them crying for an entire year without any stopping. That is what it is like for them, lots of grief to release. They take longer also to absorb the feelings from the new parents because they are still connected to the old parents. And because of that they are still connected to the rejection that comes from the old parents on Earth. They have to be taught how to completely disconnect emotionally from the parents on Earth so that they no longer absorb the emotions coming from those parents. And be taught how to absorb emotions from parents who now care for them. This process may take a year of full on grief, and it might take three or four or five years now for the spirit in the spirit world to help the child to completely disconnect from the parents on Earth, so that it may now absorb some of these more pleasant emotions from the spirits that care for them.

Interviewer: Is that soul growing at the same rate as it would have been on Earth?

AJ: No. Obviously, if the very first experience of a soul is one of rejection, lack of love, and so forth, it has a big effect on the soul's ability to grow and also the body that is attached to the soul. The spirit body of the child is stunted for a period of time as well. The spirit carers help the child work through the different emotions. It is quite difficult for the child in the spirit world from a physical perspective, as well as it is from a spiritual perspective.

Interviewer: I am having difficulty visualising nursing a little embryo.

AJ: You are thinking of the physical perspective. It is more about the emotional issues going on between the spirit parents and the spirit embryo. Yes, it is a little body; some of it is very undeveloped and quite tiny. From a spirit person's perspective, they can often hold it many times in one hand in terms of caring for it, but they know how to care for all of its physical needs and all its emotional needs. Consider how an Earth doctor holds a physical baby that is three or four months premature.

Interviewer: I used to hold them in one hand and make up their bed.

AJ: Spirit mothers can have multiple children to care for. The children sleep a lot because they need to sleep a lot to be able to grow. They still continue to sleep in the spirit world for a fairly long time, particularly if they have been aborted or miscarried. Because of that, one spirit mother can share the role between many spirit babies. There is a great amount of love given to these children, far more care than anyone on Earth could imagine. You have to go there and see it before you can understand how much love they receive.

8. Miscarriages, premature births and still births

Interviewer: Would you put miscarriage, premature births and still births under the same category as abortions?

8.1. Miscarriages are due to emotional injuries in the parents

AJ: No. If you look at an abortion, an abortion is a purposeful decision taken by one or both parents to terminate the life of the child. What I would classify as a miscarriage is taking the life of a child, but not understanding the reason why. Many parents, who have miscarried, have no understanding as to the emotional causes as to why the miscarriage happened. Some view it as, "God took it from me." Some view it as a physical problem in their body. Some see all sorts of reasons as to why a miscarriage occurs. Each one of the reasons is linked to different emotions. Very few people who have a miscarriage look at the emotions associated with the miscarriage.

AJ: A lot of times for the children who are conceived they feel heavily oppressed by the emotions. One emotion that causes a lot of miscarriages is a deep desire in mothers to become a mother. That might sound a bit strange, but many women on Earth do not believe they are a real woman until they become a mother. Therefore, to them becoming a real woman is dependent upon having a child. Because of that, this emotion is projected at the child and so the child is already seeing the role that it has. And that is, it is helping the mother to become a mother. The child is not been loved under those circumstances, it is being selfishly taken from. There are many other circumstances whereby the unborn child is being selfishly taken from. It repels the child from the womb so strongly that the child can no longer maintain a physical connection between its soul, and the physical body. As soon as a soul cannot maintain a connection between the soul and the physical body, the physical body will terminate.

AJ: Many parents do not understand the emotions that are causing miscarriages. I would call that an unwitting abortion in a way. There are emotions inside of the parents which they do not understand and are unconscious of or are ignorant about, that cause the child to miscarry. The key is to address those emotions. If you address those emotions you will never have another miscarriage. There are many women who have many miscarriages, and if you address the emotion that causes the miscarriage you will never have another miscarriage.

AJ: Some women miscarriage boys and some women miscarriage girls. If you know the gender of the child you have miscarried it will tell you a lot about the emotion and the affect it has. For example, many boys are miscarried because women hate men. They don't want to bring another man into the world because they perceive that it will be like the men they see around them, and so they often want to miscarriage the male child.

AJ: Was it Henry the Eighth who had all of the wives, many of whom miscarried but gave birth to girls? A lot of that was caused by the emotions inside of him, the king himself, and also the emotions of resentment inside of the women towards him as of a result of his emotion. This caused them to attract girl children, or boy children who then miscarried.

8.2. Emotions create premature and still births

AJ: With regard to a still birth, there are a number of different emotions there as well. And for premature births, there are also a number of different emotions. The key is to understand the emotions. Once we understand the emotions and clear them away from the soul, then those events won't occur.

AJ: The interesting fact about all of this is the huge amount of resources keeping children alive after they have been born, or dealing with those kinds of issues can actually be repaired by actually sorting out the emotions of the parents. When the emotions in the parents are addressed, then we can start to have a lot more safe births, a lot more births that are very natural without having any complications. Even complications during a birth are actually caused by certain emotions. If you can address those particular issues emotionally, we can get to a stage where every woman on the planet gives birth, and gives birth without any complication, and without needing a doctor or a nurse or any other person around them. Just like a cow in the field can give birth in the same manner.

8.3. The emotional impact of miscarriages vs. abortion on the child

Interviewer: Does the soul still have to experience all the same pains as an aborted soul as well?

AJ: No, because the aborted soul has the additional pains. The soul of a miscarried child has different types of pains associated with it. It still has pains. Every situation is individual, every situation is unique. We are trying to generalise situations that are unique, but let's make some generalisations.

AJ: The soul that is aborted has to go through the sense of being immediately rejected, of not being wanted, of not being loved, having no worth, its life not being respected, and so forth. For the child that is miscarried, its life is generally respected; therefore, it does not have to go through that emotion. Its life is generally desired so therefore it does not have to go through that emotion. It is generally wanted so it does not have to go through that emotion. But there are other emotions that it might have to go through. For example, if it is a male child and the mother has huge amounts of rage towards the male that she has not released, then he has to go through the emotion of being hated as a boy. So the child that is miscarriage goes through a different set of emotions to that of a child who has been aborted. And the same applies to a still birth or a premature birth.

Interviewer: There are still pains for them to experience but it is based on different emotions?

AJ: It is based on different emotions and it is also less directly connected to the attitude of the parent of wanting the child to die. With a miscarriage, usually the parent does not want the child to die. Often what they are doing is putting roles upon the child even before the child is born, which is part of the problem with a miscarriage. Whereas with an abortion, the parent wants the child to die. There are a whole set of different emotions involved with what the child has to address, and of course the parents need to address. It is always both parents, and it is not just both parents' emotions; it is their belief system that also generates a lot of this.

AJ: If I have been brought up to believe that a child is not a child until it is in its third month, then of course I am going to consider abortion between the time it is conceived and up until the beginning of the third month. If that is how I have been brought up to perceive things. If the medical profession says that to me as well, I now have a medical justification, a so called scientific justification for my decision, which will also have an effect on my decision. The government supports that, and I now have an additional justification for my position. These are all belief systems that cause me to take the life, and these belief systems all have to be addressed, because they are all out of harmony with the gift of life that God has given.

9. God views the "rights" of children as gifts to give children

Interviewer: Does the unborn child have rights?

AJ: It is interesting how a lot of people see a lot of things as rights. The way God sees them is as gifts, and the way I see them is as gifts as well. Many people think free will is a right. No, free will is a gift that God gave you that can be used. Many people see sex as a right. No, sex is a gift that God gave. Many think sex is a right, which is often the cause for rape. Love is a gift, it is not a right. It is the greatest gift we can ever give somebody is the gift of our love. But it is not a right that they can demand of us to give.

Interviewer: That does make sense, so, does the unborn child have rights, such as the right to care, the right to protection, and the right to life?

AJ: Let us look at it from a gift perspective. If I loved the unborn child I would want to give it protection, I would want to give it security, I would want to give it the feeling of my love, I would want to care for it, I would never wish that any of my emotions and physical actions harm it. If I really loved my child, I wouldn't necessarily see that as the rights of the child, but I would see that as something that I desperately would want to give to the child, because of the feeling I have of loving the child.

AJ: Also, if I saw the child not as my child, but I saw it as God's child, for whom I am now responsible for because I chose to actually conceive this child, then I would also have a far different way of looking at things. Wouldn't I? Instead of seeing the child as someone who I could boss around, someone who I could brow beat into submission, someone I could train to become just like me. I would see the child as someone completely different to that. I would see my responsibilities also differently. Instead of seeing the child grow up and become a mini-me, I would wish the child to fully know itself, and fully discover itself. And I would also wish the child to fully discover how to love and how to use its free will in a manner in harmony with love, rather than out of harmony with love. I would therefore show the child that there are consequences for the use of its will out of harmony with love.

AJ: The child can be taught many things through this process, and I could learn many things through the process. Most parents know that they probably learn more, initially, than the child learns in its first few years of the child's life. The parent can also learn about what unconditional love is really like. When the child is screaming you still have to love the child and care for the child, you start to learn what unconditional love is to a large extent.

AJ: I sort of see the relationship between parent and child more as a relationship between custodian and the child, because the parent is God. All we have is custody of the child until such time as the child is self sufficient. We have the responsibility to help it understand principles such as the principles of life, the principles of love, the principles of gifts that we have – the gift of free will, the gift of life, the gift of love. As a parent, we would make a choice to automatically offer the child those gifts, even the unborn child, even more so for the unborn child than the born child. I feel, because the unborn child is more sensitive emotionally to these gifts than the born child is. The reason why that is, the unborn child is sitting inside of the emotional soup of its own mother, in the mother's womb, and that is as close as it could possibly get. During that time, it is essential that it receives these basic gifts from the mother as well as the father. But I wouldn't call them rights; I would actually call them gifts that we have the potential to give the child.

AJ: Now, of course, God designed the system so that we would want to give those gifts, but unfortunately many of us have become a bit distorted in our own natures and we have walked away a lot from God, and we also have walked away a lot from love, so we have become quite selfish and self absorbed as a human race. As a result of that, we don't respect these gifts that God has given us, so therefore we don't respect those same gifts given by God to the little developing child inside of the womb.

Interviewer: Do these gifts become active immediately?

AJ: As soon as the soul comes in, it has the ability to experience these gifts. If the parents love the child from the moment of conception and want the child, then the child feels tremendously loved and cared for and wanted. In that condition, it finds it very difficult to absorb unhappy emotions while it is loved so much and wanted so much. Even if the parent has an unhappy emotion, the child just still feels cared for, wanted and loved. It can observe its mother crying without absorbing the mother's sadness because it still feels loved by the mother. But when the mother or the father goes into fear or anger or other emotions like that, now it is not absorbing those particular feelings, it is absorbing a completely different set of feelings.

AJ: This is why it is so important for parents to develop enough where they can consistently give the feeling of love to the child. If it does not happen consistently, then the child experiences grief. So every time the mother becomes afraid or angry, or the father becomes afraid or angry, now the child is experiencing the emotion of grief, the withdrawal of love.

10. What happens to children after they die

Interviewer: Can we talk about the afterlife of the aborted child? We already know where the little souls go and who takes them. Can an aborted child, or a miscarried child, or a premature baby never become Earth bound? Do they always go to the spirit world?

AJ: It is very rare for an aborted child to become Earth bound to their parents. The reason why is that it has already been rejected and of course it is going to go where love is, rather than getting rejection. It is very hard for such a child to become Earth bound.

Interviewer: Would that be because it does not understand free will?

AJ: No. It is because it feels no attraction to its mother because of the rejection from its mother and father. It receives no attraction to its mother and father. If the mother aborted the child and the father wanted it, then the aborted child would feel a connection to the father, but not to the mother. That being said, it will not be Earth bound because the spirits in the spirit world would give it most of its love, most of its care.

10.1. Some aborted children are held Earth bound by other Earth bound spirits

AJ: However, I must point out, there are a very, very large group of aborted children who are Earth bound, that are prevented from entering the spirit world into the spheres, and also from getting any assistance. There are these groups of other Earth bound spirits who grab these children and hold onto them very, very strongly before they actually complete the process of passing. These spirits hold these children in the Earth bound condition because of their own condition. For example, there is a group of Chinese women spirits who are very, very angry with the government regarding the one child policy. For every single child that is aborted in China, they actually try to grab hold of the child and nurse them themselves, rather than allowing them to go to Summerland and be looked after by spirits in a higher condition. And those particular aborted children are Earth bound.

Interviewer: Are their intentions good intentions?

AJ: Their intention is based on rage, so an intention based on rage can never be good. Their intention is based on rage with the government; the Chinese government in this case. They see their rage as a justified rage, and so they are justifying holding onto the children. There are many Celestial spirits at the moment waiting to take these children and give them a much better environment to grow up in, but these children are being held onto by these spirits. Unfortunately these children are not being assisted, and as a result they don't grow very well either. They are very stunted in their growth and until these Celestial spirits can hold on to them and help them, they will remain so. But these women spirits are in a rage towards the government, that keep these women spirits on Earth, and that is what causes them to grab hold of the children as soon as they pass. So there are Earth bound aborted children, but they are not connected to their parents.

Interviewer: You say they are stunted in growth. Do they get to a stage where they will activate their free will?

AJ: It is very hard for them to grow in this condition. They don't have much of an intellectual concept of what they are doing; they are bound by the desire of these spirits to be bound to them. Because of that, they can potentially stay in this condition for hundreds of years, without really knowing they are in that condition. It is a very sad condition for the aborted child, but it is also driven by the rage these women spirits feel towards the government. If these women spirits could release some of their rage, as there are some people trying to help them to, that would also help release some aborted children so that they could go their way and be looked after.

AJ: I just need to clarify that there are no aborted children who are actually connected to their mother or father who aborted them. But there are aborted children spirits who are Earth bound because of these Earth bound spirits catching hold of them, and having a very strong feeling that they need to protect and look after them. And that binds them together. So what we are trying to do is assist those groups of spirits so that they no longer do that, and then those people best suited in the spirit world can look after the aborted children.

10.2. Mothers grieving a miscarriage can cause a child to become Earth bound

AJ: There are also many miscarried children who are Earth bound because of some connection emotionally to the parent who constantly thinks of them, and this is particularly the case when mothers grieve their miscarriage for long periods of time. When the mother grieves the miscarriage for long periods of time, a lot of mothers do not realise that they are actually drawing the child back to them every time they grieve for them. It is very difficult sometimes for the nursing parent in the spirit world to keep a hold of the child, as it will be drawn back to the mother on Earth. What often happens is the nursing parent in the spirit world then tries to assist the mother to work through her grief about the miscarriage in an appropriate way, not in a selfish way.

10.2.1. Emotional reasons for miscarriages

AJ: A lot of mothers grieve miscarriages for incorrect reasons. A lot of times the grief is associated with selfishness they have inside of them, rather than grief for the child. In other words, they are grieving their own life rather than grieving for the child. A lot of times they are grieving what a pregnancy and birth would mean to them. For many women, the birth now means that they are now a mother. This emotion often causes the miscarriage in the first place. So when the miscarriage occurs they are now grieving that they have missed out on this opportunity to be a mother.

AJ: Often they have a lot of unworthy feelings they need to work through that have no relationship to the child itself, but have every relationship to what they believe to be the child's role. Often times the mother is not grieving about the child itself, or the potential connection with the child. The reality is that there is no loss of that potential connection. The child has the ability to come and visit you whenever you want, and also a lot of mothers do not realise that in the sleep state they have the ability to play with their child whenever they want, and to be with their child whenever they want. In fact, many mothers take full responsibility for the care of their child while they are asleep. It is only when they come to Earth that they can't feel the child around them, and so many mothers are feeling the grief of that.

AJ: Many mothers do not realise that they still have a child, and because of their belief about death being final and certain, they feel they have lost the child, but in the sleep state they still have their child and their child still interacts with them, they still nurse the child. Everything happens in the sleep state. They only remember that once they go to the spirit world and remember the whole experience.

Interviewer: A lot of their grief could be from the loss of those feelings in the sleep state?

AJ: Yes, a lot of the grief can be associated with that. Most of our grief is to do with emotions inside of ourselves that are quite self absorbed, but we need to feel it. We need to go through the process of feeling it, but sometimes we create emotions within us that are not the real emotions that we need to feel. For example, the mother who is grieving her miscarried child is often grieving for the loss of the child, without realising what she needs to grieve is why she had so many demands upon this child, that the child felt repulsed, and therefore could not live in the womb anymore. She needs to feel those emotions, and yet they are not the emotions that are felt and so the mother gets pregnant again and has another miscarriage, and goes on to have a series of miscarriages, as a result of these emotions. Sometimes some of this grief fortunately comes up for the mother after the miscarriage, and eventually the mother can hold the child full term because she has dealt with enough grief, and enough demand to actually no longer have the demands on the child, where the child feels repelled.

AJ: This is going to be fairly controversial for many of our dear sisters on the planet who believe that miscarriages are caused by some other thing.

Interviewer: I have a lot of emotions about this. It is quite sad.

AJ: The key for us to remember is that if we know the cause of anything we can solve all of them. This is something that all the people need to remember about every problem. If you know the cause of why somebody murdered, you can solve it. You can actually help the person correct emotionally the cause. The same applies to an abortion; if you know the cause as to why a mother chose an abortion then you can solve it, so that no more abortions can occur. If you know the cause of a miscarriage, you can also solve it, and so therefore no more miscarriages would occur. And there would be less amounts of grief on the planet as a result. And this is the beauty of knowing the truth. This is what I would encourage mothers to do and fathers, as this also involves the father's emotions, not just the mothers. It is possible for the mother to have a miscarriage because of the father's emotions.

Interviewer: From my experience it is usually the mother who grieves the most, unless the male is in denial.

AJ: The reason often why women develop too soon is because of this same emotion, this emotion that they have got to be a mother before they can actually be a woman. That is a very deep belief for most females on the planet that they have got to be a mother before they are a real woman. Many women project that at those who have never been a mother, as well. "Oh you have never been a mother so what would you know!" Like that kind of emotion is being projected.

Interviewer: When I had my son, it was like this secret society appeared that didn't appear until I gave birth.

AJ: This is all part of this problem. This is a lot about the separation of the genders, the actual disharmony, the unloving emotions between males and females on the planet cause a lot of these things. The cause of these issues are not simple, they are quite complex emotionally, but we need to understand the beauty of knowing the cause, rather than judging the cause. There is a difference. If I know the cause without judging the cause, I now have the ability to fix the cause. In the case of miscarriage, if I know the cause without judging the cause, even if I am the mother who has miscarriage; if I stop judging myself I now have the ability to emotionally work my way through that cause to such an extent that I can address the issue emotionally.

AJ: I have known women on the planet who have had a miscarriage that I would actually term as an abortion. They had no desire to carry the child, they wouldn't go and do the physical act of an abortion and so what they did was actually had a feeling in the body that they wanted their body to expel the child, and it did. I have also known women who have had miscarriages who felt overwhelming grief of having a miscarriage that they cannot really understand. They do not get why it is so over whelming. They have never met the child and yet that is the feeling they had.

Interviewer: I was feeling in the interaction there the selfishness of the mother's grief. The child has moved on and is being well looked after but the mother's grief pulls it back. I was feeling that because my two terminations were all about selfish reasons. This miscarriage was also a selfish reason.

AJ: A lot of times miscarriages are for very selfish reasons. Remember it could be selfish reasons of either parent. Not just one of the parents. It could be selfish reasons of the male.

10.2.2. Emotions surrounding the parents desiring a child of a specific gender

Interviewer: The male may want to have a male son.

AJ: And the woman or mother may feel that the male might reject the child if I have a girl and he might be feeling, "Why would I want another woman in my life?" The father may have all these angry based emotions against the mother and daughter, and if the child is a girl child she is automatically feeling this. The mother now goes into this state where she is terribly afraid of what is going to happen to her in this life with this father. Because of the terrible fear experiences with the unborn child, she cannot maintain a connection between herself and her own body any more, and it just severs, and once it severs the physical body of the unborn child self aborts. But it is mostly the parents' emotions that sever the child.

Interviewer: Upon being born, being the fifth daughter, I felt a lot of emotions. My mother knew instantly that I was a girl.

AJ: Your mother was able to feel the commencement of the pregnancy; she was able to feel the little soul?

Interviewer: Yes, she was in total fear of me being a girl. I remember being born feeling this, having that fear. My father wanted a son.

AJ: This was your mother's fear about not being a good wife if she gave birth to another daughter. Many women have had that emotion throughout history, as you could imagine, where men have project huge terrible emotions towards women about what gender they want their child to be. These men are often primarily responsible from a soul perspective for the miscarriages of the children.

AJ: We need to always consider it isn't just the mother. When we discuss abortion or miscarriage, many men go, "Oh, it is not my problem, my wife miscarried." No, we need to look at ourselves, fellows! You need to look at yourself and examine yourself because it is not just your wife's emotions for this particular event occurring.

Interviewer: But we women do not look at our males when these events occur either.

AJ: Of course. Many women have this viewpoint, "I am the mother. I have a more important role," which is also part of the problem. Many mothers have all these emotional injuries about being a mother, and for some women it is the only thing that brings joy to their life. Of course they are going to have a great degree of ownership, which is out of harmony with love as well. There are a whole host of emotions involved with the whole process of becoming pregnant, conceiving a child, bringing it to full term, and giving birth to it, and even bringing up a child. There are all sorts of emotions that are imposed upon the children, which we could release as parents, and therefore have much more sound, emotionally stable, and physically capable children then we currently do have.

10.3. Teaching children who have passed about God is based upon the child's desire

Interviewer: What time frame, on an average would aborted souls take to become at-one with God?

AJ: It is very different. Most, but not all of the nursing people in the spirit world are at-one with God, they are Celestial spirits, or they are on that path. The reality is that they don't ever force the child to make the choice to desire God. So what often happens is the child is educated through their desires. As the child builds their desires to know truth, then the surrogate parent in the spirit world actually educates them with the truth about what the child desires to know.

AJ: So if the child never desires to know about God, then of course the parent never educates the child about God. Everything is based on desire and passion of the child. What they try to do in the spirit world is they do discuss God of course as a concept, just like you would probably discuss God on Earth as a concept. But they allow the child's inquisitive nature to determine the course of all discussions.

AJ: This is something that is very different to what happens on Earth. On Earth the adult forces the communication on the child, whereas in the spirit world it is the child's inquisitive nature that generates the discussion. What spirit nursing people do is that they create the environment around the child to encourage the inquisitive nature. You see, nowadays parents have moving things in a nursery for the child. They do that so the child wants to grab them, so now it is developing physical sensation of touch, and having coordination and all these other things that it would not normally do if those moving things were not present. It is very similar in the spirit world but far more developed.

AJ: In the spirit world, there are literally hundreds of thousands of things in the child's environment that are created, so that the child wants to know why, or the child wants ask the question. The spirits design the environment specifically so that the child can ask questions about anything, including questions about God, but they wait for the child to express that desire rather than forcing the knowledge upon the child.

AJ: For that reason many of the children don't find the Divine Love Path for many years, or even hundreds of years after they have been aborted or miscarried. The reason for that is they have desired to follow the intellectual path that many people follow on Earth. And now, they are often in the sixth or fifth dimension in the spirit world, in a perfect place of natural love, still being very inquisitive about creation but not asking many questions about how that creation got there.

AJ: Basically what I am saying is it is the same as for anybody else. Just like on Earth, there are many people who don't ask those questions about how creation got there and all those kind of things. They want a physical resolution to spiritual problems and issues, which is the same for a child in the spirit world, once it has got through its hurt of being aborted, or it got through some of its pain of miscarriage.

10.4. Connecting with the parents depends on the parents' desire

Interviewer: When the child gets through that pain, does it have a desire to connect with its parents, or would it be based on the Earth parents' longing?

AJ: It would always be based solely on the longing or love coming from the parent. For example, a mother aborts her child when she was young. She was told all these stories or she just believed what her partner said to her. Then when she was in her late twenties, she started wanting to have a child and then she realised that she had aborted a child and she felt some grief about it, so she cried about that. She cried about how her partner at the time forced her into it, she cried about her willingness to terminate just because of the relationship that she now does not have. She dealt with a lot of that, and she had a longing to know this child. If she was aware that this child existed and had a longing for the child, the child would come straight to her.

AJ: Many people who have discussed this issue of abortion with me have since met their aborted children, and entered into a relationship with them. They can feel the aborted child around them and enjoy the company of that child, and they know that they spend time with them in the spirit world when they are asleep, and so they have entered into the relationship again. In practice what happens most of the time is that most people want to remain totally unaware of an abortion, totally in denial of the effects of it, totally in denial of anything about the abortion. Most people on Earth and many people in Western society have no concept that an aborted child is actually still living. As a result of that, they don't imagine they can have a relationship with them. Therefore, most of them only do so when they discover them in the spirit world after the parents have been educated about those matters.

Interviewer: In the spirit world after the parent has been educated about these matters; would the parent still have to have a desire before the child would come to the parent?

AJ: Yes. It has to be a pure desire, it cannot be one based on selfish reasons, or anything like that. Many of the women who have had abortions and miscarriages, when they pass into the spirit world do meet up with their children and do work through the emotional reasons why they have done it. It is less frequent that the men do it, and that is why many of the men remain in the dark conditions for longer.

10.4.1. An illustration of a man who forces his wife to have an abortion

AJ: To illustrate, if I as a male have forced or tried to force my partner into an abortion and she has taken that action, I bear a large degree of the responsibility of the abortion. When I pass into the spirit world, no matter how good my life has been elsewhere, I would still be treated like I have been the murderer of the child, and therefore I have to work through that issue. Now, many men are in so severe denial of that issue they spend many, many years trying to work out why they are still where they are in the spirit world, before they realise that it has something to do with them forcing their wife or partner, or one night stand, into having an abortion. So then they generally go through the same process as the women, but many of the women feel a bit more connected to it because being the woman you carry the child inside of you, and it is much more difficult to be in a large amount of denial about the issue when you pass. For a man, he can be in a large amount of denial for a longer period.

Interviewer: For a male they could have repented on lots of things during life, but be so totally disconnected from that which is now keeping them in that dark place; just that one thing!

AJ: Yes that one thing. Many of them take tens or hundreds of years to work through the issues. Slowly, slowly they realise and then they have the realisation, "I forced my wife to have an abortion, and if I had not done that she probably would not have had the abortion. And it was only her fear of losing me that caused her to have the abortion." Then he would have a lot of grief about the fact that he forced his wife to do something that was against her own will, just for the sake of him, and he would have some kind of recollection of that. And then he would be in a repentant phase and progress swiftly upwards to another dimension in the spirit world. He would go from the hells in the first sphere, to a higher first sphere condition by having these realisations. Many men don't realise that this is one of the main reasons why they don't progress is because they almost view the abortion as their wife's responsibility.

11. Soul damage created in the parents who abort the child

Interviewer: Does the damage caused to the parents' soul, who have aborted a child vary in degree due to the circumstances of the time?

AJ: To a degree, Barbara. We have talked about the soul damage to the child, and the soul damage to the child is quite intense. For the parent it actually depends on how the parent works through the issue of repentance. If the parent is not sorry for what they have done then the Law of Compensation begins working upon the parent's soul immediately, as soon as they have committed the abortion. As a result, their soul is automatically in the state of a murderer in the spirit world and if they passed at that point in time, they would pass into a very similar location to what a murderer would pass into.

AJ: Many people do not realise that many of the justifications for an abortion are very similar to the justifications that a murderer has for murdering. If they started to see the co-relations they would realise what is going on. You see, many murderers take the act for the sake of other people. Many murderers do a murder because of the influence from others, such as spirits and other people on Earth. Many murderers take the act because; "I am a white person so I can murder a black person because he is less than me." Many murderers take that action, and justify it based on a belief. This is exactly the same as what an abortion is, a justification based on a belief.

AJ: Many people in the spirit world and on Earth need to see that much of the justification for an abortion is very, very similar to many of the justifications that a murderer internally has for murdering. The only difference is, because of this belief system where society, and particularly Western society, accepts the abortion as not being murder.

AJ: From God's perspective, the law is consistent right across the board, so if I choose to take the life of another person, it doesn't matter if that person has just been conceived, or eighty years old, or anywhere in between, then I bear some culpability for the decision. There is a soul based reason within me, and the soul based reason within me is the lack of respect for life, the lack of respect for the persons own choices and a number of other things. For every person the reasons or justifications for it are different.

AJ: For example, some people would never ever accept an abortion except if they had been raped by a black man and she is white, then they would consider an abortion. Then, if that is now the case, she obviously has issues of racism that she needs to work her way through, and the stigma of what that would be and so forth.

AJ: Others would only consider it as a condition of rape. So they would never usually consider an abortion, but if they had been raped they would definitely want to abort the child. There are issues of the child's life. The child is not responsible for the rapist actions. Unfortunately, many times we see the two as being connected but the child is not responsible for the rapist's action. We would be better off carrying the child to full term and giving the child to a couple who want to love that child, if we are challenged by loving the child ourselves. I know many people who have been raped on Earth and still loved the child. But if we don't feel that we are capable of that, then we are better off to give the child to another couple than we would be to abort the child. Then have the child go through all these really hard experiences as well as the hard experience of being rejected.

AJ: If we understood the full situation, we would generally make different decisions and choices. But it does damage the condition of both parents and it depends on who is primarily responsible. If the father forced the mother to have the abortion, and in fact historically some mothers have been tied down and forced to have an abortion, under those circumstances the father would bear total responsibility for that. The mother would bear none whatsoever. And it goes from that extreme, right the way through to where the mother decides to have an abortion without the father's involvement or knowing.

AJ: Now, if you think about all the emotions involved, you can go from one extreme of emotions where the father is all knowing and forcing the mother through force and violence to have the abortion, right the way through to the mother knowing and the father not knowing at all, and she having an abortion. In between that, you can imagine there are a large amount of different emotional injuries between those two extremes of the scale. As a result, those emotional injuries cause us to take an action that darkens our soul further, and those emotional injuries are present in our soul.

AJ: But also the action, which is different to just the thought of the action; we might consider an abortion but then decide against it; is not the same as having the abortion. If you have an abortion, you have taken the action which has forcibly removed someone from their experience of life on Earth. And there are quite severe consequences to that in terms of our own soul, in terms of the darkening of our own soul, the lack of love within our own soul that would cause such a condition. So we need to work through those particular consequences with regards to love.

AJ: We need to stop viewing it as a permanent condition. We can work through those consequences. We don't have to judge ourselves. We can go, "Okay, this is what I did, I can work through the reasons why I did it, I can work through it so much that I will never consider doing it again, under any circumstances, if I work through all the issues." And that is full repentance.

11.1. Abortion takes the gift of life away from the child that has been given by God

Interviewer: Does the parents' free will come into play? What about the woman's right? Surely she has the right to decide this? We all have rights.

AJ: Let us address the issue of rights. Remember, free will is not a right, it is a gift.

Interviewer: You look at the word "rights" it has such hardness to it, and anger to it. When you look at "gift" it has generosity and softness to it.

AJ: This weekend I am giving a talk about free will and I will address many of the issues about the gift of free will, not the right of free will or the law of free will. It will be about the gift of free will. If we understand that everyone has the gift of free will, then we would understand that our child has been given that gift to the same extent that we have. If there was any sense of equality in the mother, she would recognise that she does not have the right to take away the gift of free will from another person, which is what she is doing.

Interviewer: We are using the term "right" in the wrong part of the sentence.

AJ: Yes. The reality is, if I loved the child, I would recognise that it has been given the gift of life by my Parent, God. So if I loved my child I would be recognising that it has been given the gift of life, not by me, I do not have the right to decide for my child, because my Parent, God, gave the life. And therefore the gift of life wasn't mine to give or take away. I was not able to either give or take away this gift of life. And if I take it away forcibly, then I am automatically saying to that person who gave that gift of life, that I have the right to take away your right to give the gift to whoever you want. The reality is that there are quite severe consequences to that. That is why murdering has quite severe consequences on the soul because we have actually taken away this gift that God has given to a person that we personally do not have the ability to give, that is the interesting thing.

AJ: We have no idea how conception happens. Scientists still have no idea. On Earth, mankind really has no idea how conception happens or what happens. We describe it, but we have no idea about the marvel of it all. We often call it, "The gift of life," and yet we are perfectly able to take away someone else's gift of life, and that indicates that there is a large degree of self justification and selfishness in that act.

Interviewer: By you explaining it that way, I can really feel the severity of that. It is huge in comparison to some other things.

AJ: Very big. I have no right to take away the gift of life from another person, just as I have no right to take away the gift of free will from another person. And I have no right to take away anything from another person in fact, anything they don't want to give.

12. Soul attachment and conception

12.1. Erroneous beliefs about gender differences in soul attachment

Interviewer: Soul attachment. Founders from the Christian religion, St Augustine and Thomas Aquinas followed Aristotle's argument and decreed that the foetus acquired the soul after 40 days for male and after 90 days for female. Now, I am not sure why males acquire a soul before females; I find the concept really funny.

AJ: It is not true, of course. Obviously these men, both Aristotle and these men in the Dark Ages were part of the church, Holy Fathers, were all living in a male dominant society. So they were always justifying the position of the male in comparison to the position of the female. They were always justifying different perspectives about both the male and female. If they new medically what happened in the development of the child while in the womb they would have very different opinions, but because they were driven by this underlying emotion that men are better than women and men have more value than women in God's eyes. They then came up with these justifications as to when a girl child foetus becomes a person, and when a boy child foetus becomes a person.

AJ: It is just an indication in a lot of ways of how poorly developed men have been in the past. Even religious men in the past, thinking in their arrogance that somehow they would be treated differently by God than a female. The reality is that both genders are treated equally, each are of equal importance according to God, and once the human race begins to realise that, there will be tremendously more changes than there currently are on the Earth now, and this would then reflect that condition.

AJ: It is a pretty condescending viewpoint towards women. It is a viewpoint that still exists, however. It is highly inaccurate, it is very condescending, and it has no understanding of God in it. These religious men have no understanding of God when it came to women. As a result of that, they perpetrated a lot of lies about women. It is no wonder that many women find religion quite abhorrent nowadays as a result of these lies that have been perpetrated about them. "Their lesser connection to God" has always been the innuendo of these religious leaders. The reality is that women can connect to God just as any male, and often are more connected to God than any male because of those male based injuries.

Interviewer: There is 50 days difference there! A lot can happen in 50 days.

AJ: It gives them justification to terminate a few more women. It is basically saying that a male is not a child until 40 days in. It is basically saying that in the first 40 days you can terminate the male, but if it is 90 days, you can terminate the female. That is pretty poor. If you think about the subsequent results of such unloving theories, it just causes the death of a lot of people, of which they have to bear some responsibility.

12.2. The soul can only ever attach to one body

Interviewer: We have talked a fair bit about the soul already, but once a soul is attached and it is aborted, can that soul attach to another body?

AJ: No.

Interviewer: It is a once in a lifetime chance.

AJ: Yes. Why God created the incarnation process is because at the time of incarnation we become self aware. There is only one primary purpose of the incarnation process and that is for the individual person who is unaware in the spirit world to be split into its two halves, and then go through a process of growth and awareness. Once the incarnation process has completed, it has a spirit body attached to it. Once that spirit body is attached to it, it can continue the process of self awareness even if it does not exist on Earth. For that reason, any child who has been aborted does not need to come back to Earth to continue the process of self awareness, to continue the process of its own incarnation. Or you could say to continue the process of individualisation.

Interviewer: To ease my mind a bit, what I told myself in the early days was that if you aborted a child and there was a soul attached then the child could say, "No she is going to abort me, so I am going to hop over here."

AJ: A great justification for the reincarnation process. Isn't it? The reincarnation concept justifies many unloving actions. This is one of the sad things about the reincarnation teachings are that they justify the poor treatment of people living on Earth in a lot of areas, including the poor treatment of the unborn. Unfortunately, reincarnation justifies abortion to a degree by saying that the child has the ability to connect to another body. Reincarnation justifies things like being treated as a lower class of persons such as the untouchable class of persons in India. Reincarnation justifies that by saying that they must have done bad things in their previous life so now we can treat them badly in this life, because there previous existence justifies our treatment in this life negatively. If people were to analyse the teachings of reincarnation in terms of love, they would soon see that reincarnation cannot actually be a true teaching because it justifies many unloving behaviours.

13. Repentance and abortion

Interviewer: Let us go onto repentance. I know it is a favourite topic of yours. If we need to become repentant for our actions, why don't we already at a soul level know that it was wrong? Are we so disconnected and in denial that we don't comprehend?

13.1. Reasons for detuning from the emotions associated with having an abortion

AJ: A lot of times, yes. If we were given an upbringing of love we would already know what is right and was is wrong without being told. The beauty of having an upbringing that is in harmony with all of the Laws of Love is that you would automatically instantly know whenever an action was taken out of harmony with love. The unfortunate thing is that on this planet at the moment we are being brought up in an environment that does not understand love. So now we automatically have distortions about what is loving and what is not, which we accept as belief systems, and we automatically detune from our emotional state as well to a large degree. We are automatically shutting down how we felt about a certain thing.

AJ: If you asked most women about an abortion and how they actually felt, most women say that they felt some degree of distress during the act of deciding, deciding to have an abortion. It is rare in fact for women to say that they had no emotion about it, and say, "I was fine." There is generally some emotional response that they had to it. This is why they go through this initial turmoil before they have an abortion, and their conscience is already working, telling them that they don't feel settled with it.

AJ: What happens though is we have to come up with a heap of intellectual arguments that cause us to feel settled. What the intellectual argument does is to cause us to dismiss this, dismiss that, to dismiss this feeling, to dismiss that feeling. "Oh, what about the feeling I could feel the child" dismiss that, "That's impossible." We dismiss all of these feelings. So what do we end up with is an intellectual argument, and an intellectual argument is always going to be in favour of a justification of an act that is unloving when I want it to be that justification. I will use my intellect to justify my unloving acts because that is the direction that I want to go. And unfortunately because I have done that, I have now taken an action that has severe consequences both on my own soul and the soul of others, and in the case of a twin or triplets inside the womb, many others.

AJ: At the soul level we are completely able to be sensitive and aware to love and aware every time the principles of love are broken. However, because we often have selfish desires and motivations, and we have all been brought up in societies with selfish desires and motivations, what we finish up doing instead of that is we take actions that are justified by the intellect with no connection to the emotions of love, and that is why we end up taking the actions we take.

Interviewer: And that totally explains my actions.

AJ: Yes, If any person sincerely looks at this issue of abortion, when they look at what I have said about those kind of things, they will be able to trace back all of these justifications, all of these feelings they had, all of these things that made them feel okay about the feelings they actually had that were distressing to the point of why they made the decision. We have a lot of internal justifications and external justifications, the medical system, our husband, a partner, society; there is justification after justifications that are all intellectually based. None of them are connected to emotions, and none of them are connected to love. These justifications cause the taking of an action that is quite harmful to both the child and to the persons who have made that choice.

13.2. Steps to repentance

Interviewer: So how do we as parents, both parents get to the stage of grief and remorse? How do we get to the stage of repentance for the things that were usually done a long time ago?

AJ: Yes, it could be twenty, thirty, or forty years ago. Usually there are steps to repentance. Unfortunately whenever a person is told the truth about something the initial response is anger. So there will be many people who listen to this interview who will then feel quite angry towards me about this issue. Angry about abortion and even angry about the issue of miscarriage because what I have said is quite confronting about that issue. Their anger is an indicator that they are hiding some fears inside of them and underneath their fears is some grief.

AJ: The first thing they do when they go through this process is that they first feel anger. And how long they want to hold onto this anger is how long it will take for them to get to the next step. The next step is generally fear. Fear of the truth, if you like. Why do we fear the truth? If it is true then we have a lot of crying to do. We have a lot of grieving to connect to. What we eventually do is that we connect to the grief of taking the action, but we also need to connect to the grief of why we took the action, and that in itself is a complex issue, as we have already discussed. So why a man takes this specific action will be completely different than why a woman might take the action. And with every couple their reasons will be completely different from each other. If we were truly repentant we would allow the resolution of these particular issues that we have inside of ourselves. We would go through the process of looking at the causal emotions as to why we took the actions.

AJ: Can I use you as the example? With your first abortion, your husband didn't want the child. You weren't married at the time and you were around 16. So, all of a sudden the justifications are popping up. "I am young; I don't feel I can cope with bringing up this child, particularly alone. I wasn't married, so there is the stigma of not being married and having a child. Then there is the issue that my partner, husband to be, did not want the child either, because he felt challenged by his emotional responsibilities, financially, and all sorts of things."

Interviewer: And I am sure that my father comes into that somewhere.

AJ: Okay, your father will come into there somewhere. You can add all that up, and it is quite easy to write down all the reasons why you did it. What I would do if I were a mother or father who has been involved in an abortion, I would write down what my true feelings were, what all of my reasons were, what I really wanted, what I was afraid of, what I was angry about and why I finished up making the final choice. For every single reason I write down there is usually some emotion connected to my childhood, my belief systems, to my religious upbringing or to some other reason, and I need to work my way through them and find the truth about all of them. What is truthful and loving instead of why I justified it. And once I do that I will recognise the truth about every one of those issues, and I would grieve the unloving position. I will then work through the reasons why I did what I did.

AJ: Once I have worked through the reasons why I have done what I have done, now I have cleared away from my soul the underlying reasons why I did it, and I have a feeling of remorse for having done it. I will probably at that point also want to or wish to connect to my child. I won't avoid my connection to my child.

13.2.1. Spirit influence can disturb the process of repentance

Interviewer: Every time I get to the stage of some grief and emotions, I'm shown pictures that they are happy, they are good. That takes me out of that emotion.

AJ: What is happening is that you have surrounding you a group of women spirits who have also had abortions who want you to just be happy. And they also want you to avoid the grief of the abortion itself. So every time you go into the grief about the abortion and you start working your way through an issue, all they want to do is show you a pretty picture. It is true that your children are now very happy, and they are very content, and it is a true picture of how they currently are, but the spirits doing this are only doing this to help you get out of the emotion, which is not a very loving action. They are doing that because they don't want to feel the same emotion that you are currently connected to. It is not a loving action on their part of helping you deal with the effects of the abortion. They also need to go through the same emotion and they don't want to. They feel extra motivation to give you a pretty picture and help you get out the emotion that you are connecting to.

Interviewer: If I persisted with that, connected with the emotion and pray?

AJ: And connect to those female spirits who are giving you those pretty picture, and talked to them about, "Okay, you think you are doing the right thing, but the reality is, as we have discussed, my child have felt all this pain, my child has been in pain for a significant amount of time, and I'm responsible for that. I need to be sorry for that." You can talk to the spirits with you. "And you need to be sorry that you did the same thing to your children, and you need to have a degree of responsibility for that as well. The reason why you spirits are where you are is that you are not letting yourself feel the grief."

AJ: There are Earth bound spirits who go around the Earth connecting to women who have had abortions who feel bad about it, and they try to make the woman feel good about it. That is all they do. And all they try to do really is to try to make themselves feel good about their own abortions that they have committed. If they chose to take a different action, they would do a very different thing. A Celestial spirit guide would not assist you to avoid an emotion; they will not give you pretty pictures while you are going through an emotion. They might give you one afterwards, but not during. They might come and reassure you afterwards, saying, "No everything is fine now, and the child is fine, you can meet them if you want," and all those kind of things. But they will not reassure you of it beforehand, before you go through the emotion. These are darker spirits who are yet to even enter the spirit world, they are Earth bound who want to avoid their own responsibility for their own actions, and so they want to help you avoid your responsibilities for your actions too.

AJ: I find it very interesting in New Age circles that many women have been given these pictures as a justification for their abortion, and it even encourages those same women to have future abortions, which is very sad when you think about it, in terms of what these spirits are trying to accomplish.

Interviewer: So their actions are actually encouraging you to having further abortions? Is that done deliberately by them?

AJ: Yes! Many of them believe it was fine to have had an abortion, "You should have done it under those circumstances!" and they are actually encouraging women to have abortions. How many women on Earth feel bad about having an abortion? And yet their environment all around them, including their women friends, encourages them to have an abortion. Where do you think that influence comes from? It comes from many of the women spirits who have had an abortion who are yet to deal with the fact that they are murderesses. That is where that comes from.

AJ: If you are in the spirit world, with what happened hundreds of years ago the primary cause of abortions were related to the men. Nowadays, unfortunately, much of the causes of abortion are related to the women. As a result of that, there are many more women passing into the spirit world in the condition of a murderess (who is someone who has committed murder), more so than there were many hundreds of years ago. If you think about a modern woman on Earth who is under 30 years of age – many of them would instantly consider having an abortion if their circumstances where not completely right to have a baby. So what is happening now in the spirit world is that up to 20% to 30% of women of a certain age bracket and lower who are actually having the abortions. Every one of them ends up becoming a murderess, everyone of them enters the spirit world in that condition unless they work through these issues before then.

13.3. Adoption is a loving alternative to abortion

AJ: This is what I feel is very sad on the planet. We see a growing number of women who would not be murderesses under normal circumstances, who are now through our society's acceptance and through a lot of other factors now are justifying the murder of children. This is a very damaging thing to women's general plight. It would be far better if women went full term and gave away their child. However, there is so much stigma about that, that most women cannot even consider to take the child to full term and then give away the child because of how much of society would say, "What kind of a mother are you?" Yet society does not say, "What kind of a mother are you for having an abortion?"

Interviewer: I remember when I was nursing, there was a campaign going on at the time, and the phrase was, "Is adoption the best option?" It was encouraging women to go full term and then adopt.

AJ: There are many women on this planet who would love to have a child or more children, and they cannot. There are many single women who would love to have a child as well. There are many people on the planet who would willingly take up a child. But adoption is so difficult because of the legal problems associated with adoption. It is made so difficult because of the general attitude of humanity. This attitude, that if a mother gives away her child then she is a terrible person. That is an underlying cause of why the attitude is so bad. If we had a totally different attitude it would be a really loving process to take the child to full term, and then give it to a person who has a desire to look after the child and love the child.

AJ: I really liked a movie that I would advise people to watch which is related to that kind of thing – it is called "Juno". Faced with an unplanned pregnancy, an offbeat young woman makes an unusual decision regarding her unborn child. It is just a lovely example of a young lady who decided to take the child to full term, and all the ostracism that she had to put up with from people around her. But she was quite definite, and the amount of love that she had in her to do that. It is a lovely movie demonstrating what I feel is possible.

AJ: Unfortunately though, there are a lot of complexities with taking a child to full term when everybody around you feels differently. So therefore there is a lot of peer pressure and external pressure to terminate. There is lots of pressure to terminate under all sorts of circumstances, including the possible defamation of the child and other circumstances. These high amounts of pressure result in women taking decisions that they often later regret.

Interviewer: Did we cover repentance enough?

AJ: There is a lot more that could be said about repentance. Mary and her book group are going through it, which is a different subject in its own right. We have a lot of things to repent for, not just for committing abortions. It is a subject that needs to be focused on quite a lot. If we can understand that if we do not repent for actions that we have taken out of harmony with love then the Law of Compensation, the law of what you sow you will reap, will definitely come into action. While many of the people on Earth don't experience that, or are not sensitive to that while they are on Earth, they will definitely experience that in the spirit world. So if a person decides to ignore all of what I am saying about abortion while they are on Earth, and they decide not to deal with their emotions while they are on Earth. They will come face to face with the exact same emotions when in the spirit world, and have a very unhappy time after they enter into the spirit world unless they address those emotions.

13.4. Truth assists the process of repentance

Interviewer: How can we best assist our brothers and sisters in the spirit world to understand this process of repentance?

AJ: I feel that we are best to assist everybody, not just brothers and sisters in the spirit world, but everybody, to understand the process of repentance. One of the best ways to understand repentance is to actually tell the truth. If you know the truth about something then you know what you have to be sorry for, and what you don't have to be sorry for. For example, religions on the planet often teach that masturbation is wrong. So many people pass over in a dark place believing that they masturbated a lot during their life, and as a result of that, they have passed over into a dark condition. They believe it because they were told that by the ministers or priests. This is an example of an untruth being perpetrated upon a person who on passing has no understanding that it has nothing to do with why they might be in a dark condition. An untruth, in this case, stops them from progressing.

AJ: Quite often it is the untruths that are the problems. So I feel that we need to understand the truth of the human soul, we need to understand the truth about the physical body, and the truth about the spirit body. We need to understand the truth about the creations of God. Once we understand the truth about the gifts we have been given, the gift of love, the gift of free will, the gift of life, and so forth, we will have a much greater capacity to connect to our own sorrow any time we have been in disharmony with these truths. If we don't understand the truth, or the truth is never discussed, or is ridiculed and laughed at, then in the end we cannot address the emotion because we are going to deny the emotion. And because we are going to deny the emotion we will never get past that point. Often times we will arrive in the spirit world not past that point, and often after many hundreds of years in the spirit world we may not have progressed past that point.

AJ: I feel that the primary way to assist any single person whether they are on Earth or in the spirit world is to tell them the truth. Not to judge them because that is very unhelpful, and it is also very unloving. Just tell the truth, just like I have in this interview with you. Tell the truth of how it is. And then let the persons come to their own conclusions and their own process. If you don't tell the truth then you are not giving the other person any opportunity to grow. The more we speak the truth to women, who have had abortions, the more we speak to our women friends in the spirit world and on Earth about the issue of abortion, the more truth they will know. The more truth they know, the less inclined they will feel to make decisions that are out of harmony with love, and out of harmony with truth. That is a natural consequence.

AJ: If we don't say any truth then we are not assisting anyone, including ourselves. And it is also very important not to say it in a spirit of judgement, because the judgement in itself will prevent the person from accepting the truth. So what we need to do is to state the truth without the corresponding feeling of judgement. When you first came and discussed abortion with me you did not feel judged? Even though I spoke the truth, I still loved you, I still hugged you, and I still cared for you in exactly the same way before and afterwards. And as a result of that, you know that there is a higher likelihood of the person receiving the truth to progress.

13.4.1. Delivering truth with judgment makes the repentance process harder

Interviewer: It is a totally different feeling when discussing something with you, compared to someone who is judging you. I now realise truth with judgement can never enter you.

AJ: You have to be a very humble person with judgement for truth to enter you. It is possible for truth to enter you even though it comes with judgement, but you have to be a very humble individual for that to occur. You have to cope with quite a lot of hard emotions, which most people find very difficult to cope with. It is much easier for a person who hasn't that degree of humility to accept truth without judgement. Judgement in itself is an unloving act. It is an act based on violence; it is a way of attacking the person. Any attack, whether it is emotional or physical, is an act of violence. A judgement of another person is an act of violence perpetrated by yourself towards the other person. If we judge any person, including a person who has committed an abortion, a person who has raped a person, a person who has murdered, a person who has child molested, and we keep listing all these different things we might feel judgement about. If we judge them, it is very hard to help them heal, and it is very hard to help them change. And often there is quite often a lot of anger inside of us, which is about our own hurt and our own feelings of sadness and grief that we need to experience. Those emotions even prevent those people from healing, because they have to be very humble to absorb our judgement if they are going to heal.

AJ: It is far better if we can discuss these truths openly without judgement. Now everybody has the ability to go, "Okay, if I had an abortion, AJ is saying that I haven't got to be hard on myself here, I have to work through the emotions. I don't have to feel condemned by the universe, but I have to work through the emotions. If I don't I have some issues with life, I have some issues with free will, I have quite a number of issues that are going to make my soul dark. I can address those particular issues and if I can do that without judgement. Now I have the ability to recover from them a lot more easily than if the world around me judges me completely for that action."

AJ: This is why anger, the "Right for Life" movement in the USA for example, which is very much born in anger from a lot of people, does not have very much effect upon people who have abortions. It has so much judgement towards them without any understanding of all the conditions that created it. The people who committed abortions feel even more resistance to even listening to the truth of it. That is why I feel that those types of movements are not very beneficial in the end. They would be beneficial if they were brought into harmony with love without the anger, without the judgement. But with anger and judgement, they are not very beneficial, they only add to the problem.

14. Closing Words

AJ: Were they all the questions? There is a lot more that could be said on any subject.

Interviewer: I have a collection of hypothetical moral questions that have come from the community at large. So a second session would be great if you are okay with that?

AJ: Sure. All hypothetical situations are interesting because they do help us to analyse a lot of issues. The problem with a lot of hypothetical situations is that we need to include the analysis right across the board, not just the central topic. A lot of these questions will raise issues about many different matters rather than just the matter of abortion. That is important.

Interviewer: That's very true; these are great questions that are all encompassing.

AJ: I don't mind handling them as long as in the next session we are willing to digress a little, because there will be issues and points of when a child is a child, and how incarnation occurs. My suggestion would be for those considering investigating this subject further, would be to consider watching some of the introductory talks that I have given. Such as "Overview of Divine Truth - The Secrets of the Universe", where I describe how incarnation actually occurs, the process of incarnation onto Earth, and the process of the creation of the bodies, and all of those kind of things. Then you will have a lot better background I feel to understand my answers, which I have given to you in this discussion, and also answers that we might have to these hypothetical questions in the next session.

Interviewer: Thank you, AJ.

Part 2: Interview 2

15. Introduction

Interviewer: Hi, AJ.

AJ: G'day, Barb, how are you?

Interviewer: Fine. Yeah a lot of stuff came up for me in the last week after our first interview, so I would like to cover a little bit of that today, but firstly, thank you for doing session 2 on this subject with us today on abortion. In session 1, we covered a lot of material on the subject, and you answered lots of questions. You elaborated on current world views, and you explained God's Truth on all the subjects of judgement, morals, definitions, religious views, legal status, statistics, miscarriage, stillbirth, premature births, and rights of the unborn, freewill, soul attachment, afterlife, soul damage and repentance. We touched upon contraception and adoption and I would like to cover that today.

AJ: That would be good.

Interviewer: You covered a lot of ground in such a short time in the first session and I have to say that I was overwhelmed with the information you shared with me during the interview. Due to that reason it affected my delivery and I skipped over some things. So I would like to go back and cover a few things that may complete session 1 before we go onto session 2.

AJ: Sure that sounds good.

16. How God views abortion

Interviewer: You did touch upon this several different times in the session, but can you tell us how does God view abortion?

AJ: Firstly, we need to preface that answer with the use of the English language and other languages on Earth, and the judgement associated with specific words. When we say specific words here on Earth, there is a tendency to have a lot of judgement associated with those particular words. But in the spirit world and also for God there is no judgement associated with those words, it is just a fact rather than a judgement. For example, if you are speeding in a car here on Earth, there is a certain amount of judgement associate with you speeding. If we just take it as a truth that you are going over the speed limit, 101 kilometres in Australia is over the speed limit, and therefore you would classify it as speeding. We don't have to have an emotional judgement about that.

Interviewer: So I'm not a hoon!

AJ: Exactly! And if you go under 100 kilometres per hour you are not a slow poke either. We don't have judgement associated with those words, but those words on Earth connotate judgement. There are words for examples, like rape, murder and so forth that connotates judgement. So, I want to preface that comment first on the understanding that I do not have any judgement about the word that I am going to use about how God views these specific things.

AJ: In terms of what happens to the soul condition of an individual and what happens when they have an abortion, it is very similar to what happens when a murderer chooses to murder somebody else. It is also very similar to what happens to a person who suicides as well, in the sense that they have murdered themselves. God considers all these three things. When I say exactly the same way, there are different flavours to it as to what were the underlying motives.

AJ: If you consider what a murderer would choose to do. A murderer would choose to murder somebody else because of quite selfish motives. In other words, they have a justification list inside of themselves as to why they would choose to murder, and those justifications can include, "Oh, the person annoyed me," right up to the person was going to threaten me with my life so I murdered him first and anything in between generally. It is very similar with regards to abortion as well. We have varying justification for committing acts of abortion, and every one of those justifications has a different emotional component to it. God does not lump all murderers in the same classification because it all depends upon the emotional reason why they chose to commit such an act.

AJ: Also, the soul condition of an individual is taken into account, as we discussed in the previous interview. If we commit an act that is below our current condition as a soul, our soul condition degrades. If we commit an act that is higher in love than our soul, then our soul condition improves. So, if our soul condition is already at a point where our soul is already willing to commit a murder and we actually commit a murder, our soul condition would only degrade a little compared to what it was already at. This is what we must bear in mind as well.

AJ: It is the same as with an abortion. If our soul condition is at a level where we would consider killing someone under certain circumstances, and often we would consider killing somebody if our fear was involved, or if it was life threatening, or all those kind of things, then that soul condition determines the underlying action. So we need to understand that when I say that God sees a person who commits an abortion very similarly to a person who commits a murder, we must understand that God sees every single underlying causal emotional reason why such a person takes such an action. Rather than just seeing it as an act, as we have a tendency to do here on Earth. On Earth we see it as an act committed, and therefore deserving a certain sentence without any consideration of any other factors.

AJ: So this is something we must consider. In terms of the underlying principles, taking somebody's life is not our right as every single person has a gift of life, and we take away their gift of life without their choice being involved. Of course we would never do it even if their choice was involved and they were alive, in terms of a human living as an adult. It is very much the same from God's perspective, in terms of taking away the life of a person who is yet to be born, in other words, yet to exit the womb of their mother.

16.1. Differences between desiring an abortion and actually having an abortion on soul condition

Interviewer: What is the difference between having the intention or desire to have an abortion compared to taking the action and having an abortion? For example, if one or both of the pregnant couple really wants an abortion, but it does not happen because one of the party prevent it, or the family prevent it, or the abortion technique fails, what is the penalty upon the souls of those who desired the abortion?

AJ: If someone desires the abortion, it is very similar to as if they had already committed the abortion in terms of what effect it has upon the soul. As I have just explained, their soul must already been in a certain state for them to consider such an action. For that reason, their soul condition may not degrade too much further from where they currently are. But the fact that they would consider such an action is already stating that their soul is in that condition. The fact that I would consider murdering you in the first place is in itself a problem, as you can see from an emotional perspective. It is very similar for the parents involving an abortion.

AJ: Let us say the husband tries to force his wife into committing an abortion, and then obviously the husband would already, in a lot of ways, be considered to be a murderer. Even though the action is yet to be committed, the husband is already, in his actions and in thoughts, a murderer; he wants to commit a murder. While he hasn't carried through the action, or his wife has not already carried through the action, if he for example left his wife on the basis of not committing the abortion, then that would indicate that he was really desiring her to follow through with the action. Therefore, the consequences of such an action, particularly for when he arrives in the spirit world, would be very similar to if he had already committed the abortion himself, even if his wife chose not to commit the abortion and to go ahead with the pregnancy.

AJ: If both parties decided to go ahead with the abortion but something failed, then both parties would be considered responsible. If both parties decided to go ahead with the abortion but something failed and then they regretted their choice then they are already starting to improve their condition, because they have gone through the feeling of regret and therefore some sense of repentance. Although they may not have addressed the underlying emotional reason as to why they decided upon the abortion in the first place.

AJ: Also there is this factor on Earth that most people don't have a clear understanding of when the soul is attaching to the body, and therefore they don't have a clear understanding of the pain associated with the abortion from the point of view of the child. If they had much clearer understanding of those particular aspects of truth, then many people who initially consider an abortion would probably not even consider it after knowing those facts. So there is even a consideration from God for the level of ignorance the person remains in and where that ignorance is from, and who created that ignorance. So, if that ignorance is created by society then a portion of the blame falls upon society. If the ignorance is created by a doctor, then a portion of the blame falls upon the doctor. If the ignorance was created by the parents of the person, or friends of the person, they too would have certain things happen to their soul as a consideration.

AJ: So God doesn't just specifically choose the one person who committed the abortion and say, "You are treated as a murderer." God is also considering, and all of God's laws consider, every single person who has ever been involved in the suggestion to the person who is considering the abortion. God's laws grind very, very closely. As a result of that these types of consequences are apportioned based on a percentage of the proportion that the individuals involved influenced the person who committed an abortion.

16.2. God's view on miscarriages and other premature deaths

Interviewer: Thank you for elaborating on that because that was the next question. We have determined that an abortion is an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason. Are miscarriages, still births, pre-term births also just unwanted pregnancies?

AJ: It is an interesting way of viewing it – unwanted pregnancy. Let us consider the abortion. An abortion is a choice made by one or both parents to take away the life of the individual, it is a purposeful choice made. Because the parents themselves are making that purposeful choice, the severity of the consequences are related to that. With regard to a miscarriage, most parents who have a miscarriage do not want to have an abortion in their mind, and in their feelings they usually badly want the child. What they don't realise is that their unloving emotions being projected at the child, and the intensity of these emotions may actually cause the child to not to be able to sustain a connection with its own body while it is in the womb. In a way, it is a termination of a kind caused by the parent's emotions, although the parents themselves are probably completely unaware of the emotions and what it is that is causing the problem, and therefore completely ignorant as to the underlying cause. So God certainly does not treat a miscarriage in exactly the same way as an abortion is treated, in terms of the apportionment of consequences.

AJ: However, we need to understand (and this is where I feel knowledge on the planet is severely lacking) the reasons why miscarriages occur, and why still births occur, and so forth. Once we start to understand the reasons for these particular events, then we can resolve them completely and we can actually make sure they never occur. That would involve the parents addressing some of their underlying unloving emotions that they have projected at the child throughout the pregnancy. For many parents there is a deep unwillingness to address those particular emotions, although some of those emotions do come out after the child has miscarried. Many times the emotions of the mother are expressed then and some of those emotions are a lot about the mother feeling that she will never be a mother. A lot of them being quite selfish emotions really that the mother grieves, and that is a part of the release process of why the miscarriage occurred anyway.

AJ: If we look at the entire picture, every single thing associated with the child passing, even after they are born, is related at some point to some emotion inside of the parents. If the child had an accident, if the child had a cot death, or some other thing, they are related to the emotions of the environment. If we understood that without judging it, then we would be able to resolve the problems of the environment and, therefore, resolve all these particular problems that a woman may have with pregnancy.

Interviewer: So that is the reason why we have not been able to resolve cot deaths?

AJ: And miscarriages, and many other things. There is not a large understanding on the planet as to why a woman miscarries, for an example, when it could be quite easily determined once a person factors in the emotional projections going at the child from the parents, and the role the child has even before it is born that the parents begin to establish. These particular things cause harm to the child of cause, so therefore, the child cannot maintain its own energetic connection to the bodies, and therefore the bodies die. It is the soul that maintains the energy of the body, even inside of the womb. If we had a better understanding of all these things from a scientific perspective, then mankind would be able to easily resolve much of these problems that are associated with pregnancy and child birth.

16.2.1. Babies that die have already degraded in their soul condition

Interviewer: All these little souls, ones from an abortion or a miscarriage or still birth, when they enter the spirit world, have they degraded from their point of conception?

AJ: Certainly, every single one of them has degraded from their point of conception, as has every other single person who has ever lived on the planet who was not in a condition of at-onement with God. That is, the child's parents were not in at-onement with God when they were conceived. On this planet, that is every single person who has ever lived on this planet. In that regard, these children have not been any different to any other person who has ever lived on this planet. By the time the child is born, or passes before birth, they have already absorbed to a large degree, some of the emotional and belief injuries that are out of harmony with love and truth. So therefore they have some damage, and that has caused the degradation of their soul in comparison to the condition that they could have been born in.

16.2.2. An example of on child miscarrying during a multiple pregnancy

Interviewer: In the case of multiple pregnancies, such as triplets or twins, if one or more of those siblings miscarriage throughout the pregnancy, does that have an impact upon the sibling who survives?

AJ: To a degree, but nowhere near as much of a degree that the parent's emotion has. For example, let's say a person conceived twins and they were genetic twins, so there are two souls that come to the little bodies, there are now two souls associated with mum's pregnancy. Lets say one of the twins is a male and one is a female and mum and dad have different emotions to the female then the male that cause the female to miscarry. The other one will be carried full term, but it will carry the same kind of emotions towards the female as the parents actually have. Because it is a male, it won't miscarry because it is not feeling those emotions towards itself.

AJ: Every single pregnancy and it does not matter how many children are created through the process of conception. It might be two, or three, or four, or whatever, or how many are attached to the little bodies, the developing children will all absorb both parents' emotional injuries and pleasures and things that are in harmony with love as well. It is not just only the disharmonies of love; there are also the harmonies with love that are also absorbed by these little developing children. If we understood the relationships with all these, we would understand why every single miscarriage that has ever occurred on the planet. Every single woman would be able to understand why a miscarriage occurred, and therefore would be able to understand how to repair such a thing so that it doesn't occur in the future.

AJ: The problem I feel always gets back to judgement. There is so much judgement, and there is so much desire in many women to be a mother that they won't look at themselves and see what emotions they have towards their children. Many mothers in particular have very, very strong emotions towards their children that validate the mother's existence and these are quite damaging emotions, because the child is not being loved when it enters the world, it is being drawn from or taken from emotionally. These are all problems that cause problems that are associated with the pregnancy, childbirth, and after childbirth, and also what happens to the child after birth.

17. Adoption of children is more loving than abortion

Interviewer: In the first interview we agreed that adoption was the best option, but we didn't elaborate too much on that. When a child is given up for adoption what Law of Attraction influences are at play to what kind of adoptive parents the child will have?

AJ: Well firstly, there is a lot about the Law of Attraction of the soul condition of the adoptive parents. They obviously have a desire to have a child and yet they cannot conceive one. So first there must be a group of emotions associated with the lack of been able to conceive. And there are also a group of emotions that may be associated with desiring a child that maybe quite pure. They finish up drawing a particular child to them through the adoption process in a very similar way the pregnant mother drew a little soul to her when she conceived. In the sense that her soul condition, and the soul condition of her partner at the time determine who would actually enter that tiny body that had been conceived.

AJ: So it is not much different for the adopted parents. The only difference is that somebody else has already attracted the little child for a period of nine months, and during that period of time the emotional injuries of the birth parents are going to have an influence upon the child. So the child then will have a little bit of a mixture of emotions, some of it would come from its adopted parents, and some of it would come from its original parents that gave it away at adoption.

AJ: A person, who has a child, carries a child full term and gives the child to another couple. It is capable for that person to love the child during that process. We are not saying by any means that that kind of a process would be a bad thing to do, like surrogacy of some kind. But we have to bear in mind that the emotions of both sets of individuals involved, firstly in the conception, the first couple involved in conception and the attraction to another couple who desired the conception of the child, has an impact upon the child. There are now four people linked to the child's development during that time. That does have an effect. Of course, if all of those four people were loving, it would only have a positive effect, having four people loving you compared to having two. You can see that it just depends upon the attitude of the parents and the adopted parents as to what will happen to the child.

18. God designed fertility to be dependent upon pure desire

Interviewer: My next question leads us into a full discussion on contraception, which I skipped over in the first interview. Why do we have a need for contraception? Are our bodies functioning today how God intended them to be?

AJ: Let's answer the second question first. Are our bodies functioning today in the way that God wanted in regard to sexuality? The answer to that is no. Perhaps we really need to explain how God intended the body to work. The way God intended the body to work was when the woman in particular had a desire to become pregnant and was also in a loving relationship with a person who desired to be a father to the child, and then she would be open to becoming pregnant. In other words, she would not need contraception because under no other circumstances would she be able to conceive. If she were in a pure place of love, she would not be able to conceive in any other condition. In fact, she can even control her ovulation process. At the moment that process happens for women every twenty eight days. The reason why it happens is because most women have this underlying emotional injury, which has a demand upon them that they only become a woman in the full sense of the word after they have had a child. There is a huge societal definition of when a woman becomes a woman. For many women, it is only after they have had a child that they perceive themselves to be a completed woman.

Interviewer: That is becoming younger and younger in society today.

AJ: It is, that's correct and this is because of the multi-generational projections upon women and girl children, in that there is this very, very strong belief in society that you are not a complete woman until you have had a child. For this reason many women are able to become pregnant at very, very young ages. They begin ovulating at very, very young ages. In fact much younger than it has been historically. The main reason for this is because of this underlying idea that through the process of becoming pregnant they will get approval from someone, usually from their mothers. Now this is not an intellectual thought inside the person; it is an emotional injury that controls how the woman's body works. It is also related to desires for sexual intimacy before emotional intimacy is established. As sexual intimacy is desired at younger and younger ages, this causes the sexual functioning of the body to mature at younger ages as well. Society is becoming more and more sexualised unfortunately, so therefore people are becoming more sexually able to procreate at younger ages. This causes many of the problems that we face on the planet.

AJ: If we look at the underlying causes, we see that there are many emotional injuries; I have only listed a few of them. But there are very complex emotional injuries associated with why a girl becomes ready to be pregnant at a much younger age than her emotional maturity would dictate. And why a boy would even engage in the act causing the pregnancy, when both the father and the mother are not at an age where they could emotionally cope with giving love to the child. Now, I am not saying that we cannot be developed enough at a young age to give love. What I am saying is that most of the given population has been severely degraded in their ability to conceive what love is. Unfortunately many people at twelve or at eighty really don't understand love, and for that reason, really don't understand how to give love. I am not separating a young person from an old person in that discussion.

AJ: But these particular things impose problems onto the body, and the body becomes ready for pregnancy and engages in pregnancy usually before each person feels they are intellectually capable for such. Many times it is the emotions in the environment that drive the action and also the underlying result. What we need to do is address those underlying emotions.

AJ: In a pure state we would not be able to get pregnant unless the woman had decided that she wanted to ovulate, and she would decide that in an emotional way by having a desire to have a child which was not present before then, and that was pure and in complete harmony with love. In other words, it is not a desire to have a child for the sake of herself or to give herself anything. It is not a desire to get approval from anyone else externally. It is just a pure desire to give love.

Interviewer: And it has to be a desire from both parties?

AJ: Yes, obviously for the male the same applies, and then a pregnancy could occur. In an ideal situation which God created, and under that condition that would be when a pregnancy could occur. And also that couple would be soulmates: which is the two halves of each other, and it could only occur under those particular conditions. So when you add all of the conditions that God originally intended, there are quite a lot of conditions that would result in a normal pregnancy. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that adoption would ever occur or any pregnancy would be unwanted.

AJ: Though what has happened is mankind has severely degraded from that condition, and because of the different laws of science which have been applied to this area based upon the soul, there are different laws that impose themselves through the soul's condition onto the whole process of sexuality, just as they impose themselves on all other processes we have on the Earth. That causes a change and what we now accept as normal, and everyone on the planet generally accepts as normal, including the medical profession and the scientific community and so forth, is actually quite an abnormal state created by a whole group of emotional circumstances and situations and belief systems about love, that if we actually purified, we would not have any of those particular problems. It is quite incredible if you think about it.

18.1. Spirits influence sexuality on Earth

Interviewer: Yes it is, isn't it? I was thinking also because of the numbers in dark places in the spirit world are getting larger and larger, is that impacting on this situation on Earth as well?

AJ: Certainly, there are many problems caused by spirits who are what you would classify as being Earth bound, and of cause many of those problems are related to sexual intercourse, because many of them cannot engage in sexual intercourse freely in the spirit world. So what they do is they over-cloak individuals on Earth to cause them to engage in sexual intercourse often times when they are not ready. These spirits have a part to play in all of the unwanted results of that particular over-cloaking as well. Once they come to terms with what they have done, they go to the spirit world in a certain condition and they don't bother the Earth any more. But, unfortunately there are about twenty two or so billion spirits who are in this condition and who are bothering the Earth every single moment of their life pretty much. And so there are twenty two billion other people who are in quite dark conditions influencing what happens with regards to sexuality on the Earth. They number about three times the world's current population who are Earth bound in the spirit world.

19. All contraception has varying degrees of unlovingness

Interviewer: Onto contraception. Is any form of contraception loving?

AJ: No. There are some forms of contraception that terminate the child, so therefore they are not loving. There are forms of contraception that don't terminate the child but they have degrees of unlovingness in them. If you look at all forms of contraception at the moment, there is a degree of unlovingness in all forms of contraception.

AJ: However, let us clarify the issue a bit further. When we examine everything, we can see that the human race is generally in a degraded condition at the soul level with regard to sexuality and many other issues at the moment, as well as in belief systems. We are in an unloving condition in many of these areas. So, we do have to work through the area of what do we do when we are in an unloving condition. It is certainly more loving to prevent a pregnancy than it is to engage one and then abort the child. So it is far more loving to have contraception that prevents a pregnancy, rather than a conception that actually occurs because no contraception was used, and then the child is not wanted. So can you see there is a degree of unlovingness that we need to look at.

AJ: All forms of contraception have degrees of unlovingness compared to the pure state, which is that the woman would only ovulate if she had a pure loving desire to have a child with her soulmate who is also her partner. That is the only time she would ovulate. The male would generally only allow the process of conception, as well, under the same circumstances. In other words, he would not sexually engage women who were not his soulmate, and with whom he was not having a relationship with. Under this circumstance, we can see that that is the purest form of contraception. That is the contraception that God designed.

AJ: Every other type of contraception is a contraception that mankind has designed. This is because we can't obtain that pure form of contraception yet because we don't understand how it works, and so every other form of contraception has a degree of unlovingness. What we need to do is look at the degrees of unlovingness in each form of contraception. The most unloving form of contraception is the contraception which occurs after the child has been conceived. Something like the morning after pill, for example, is a form of contraception that is obviously already terminating a child. That is, you could say, the most negative form of contraception.

AJ: And there are other forms of contraception. Some of the forms of contraception change the female's body. Since they change the female's body and the female's hormonal system, they are to a degree unloving towards the female. There are other forms of contraception that require a modification of the male's body or the female's body, both forms of contraception are to a degree unloving, because it requires a surgical procedure.

Interviewer: So you are referring to a Tubectomy or Vasectomy?

AJ: Exactly! They require a procedure upon those bodies, and therefore there is a degree of unlovingness in those particular forms of contraception as well. We can look at the entire range. We have the most pure condition way over here, which is the way God designed it to be, and the least pure, which is a murder in the end. Then we have contraception forms all the way through to those particular things. If we look at these things without judgement, it is more loving to have contraception than it is to have a pregnancy that is unwanted, because straight away the child is unwanted and it feels these terrible emotions of being unwanted and unloved immediately. It is far more loving to have contraception than it is to not have contraception and have unwanted children instead.

AJ: This is where I can't agree with certain religious institutions who feel that all forms of contraception are unloving. If you compare the feelings of the child and you start factoring in the feelings of the child into the actual process, we can see that the feelings of the child are a fairly important consideration. It is far better to prevent a pregnancy than to have a pregnancy where the child is not wanted.

Interviewer: Well that confirms that. The morning after pill is not ethical.

AJ: Yes, you could say that. If we are looking from God's viewpoint of moral ethics, then from God's perspective it is not ethical because it results in the taking of a life that has already been established. All be it for a very short time, and as a result of that there is no respect for life in that particular process. The prevention of a pregnancy obviously still is preventing a life, but at least it is determined by the parents to some extent, and it does not affect any child because the child is yet to incarnate into that body because there was no body created. For that reason, since there was no body created in the womb or the beginnings of a body in the womb, no incarnation takes place, and if no incarnation takes place, then there is no child affected because there was no pregnancy.

Interviewer: If we are talking about the morning after pill, and no conception occurred, what are the implications of that? For example, if someone takes the morning after pill, and they are not pregnant, they did not terminate a pregnancy through this act. What are consequences upon their soul for taking that action?

AJ: They still wanted to take that action, and still did not want the pregnancy. You also have to consider why they wanted to engage sexually, because they engaged sexually while they did not want the pregnancy as well. There are all sorts of issues which arise with that. There is still a degradation of their soul condition because of their intention. As a result of that there are consequences to the degradation of their condition. This is what I said in the first century very frequently on many issues for example. In the first century I talked about adultery and I said, "The man just looking at the woman so as to have lust for her has committed adultery in his heart". So how God's Laws apply consequences when the laws are broken is by confronting any unloving behaviour on our part in our heart, which is not the same as unloving behaviour that we actually perform. If we have unloving behaviour in our heart, that is the beginnings of what we finish up doing; many people do finish up doing what is in their heart. Once the act is committed there is a more severe consequence of cause for the act being committed, than there was for the act just being imagined. But even so, the fact is that the desire to act out or even imagine an act came from the heart, and the fact that I actually took the pill, the morning after pill, is an indication that I was willing to terminate a child, and therefore there are certain consequences to that action.

20. Mediumship with aborted children

20.1. An example of the interviewer's interaction with her children in the spirit world

Interviewer: Thank you that covers everything from last week. I would like to share with you and get your feedback on a personal experience that I had. After the first interview I used mediumship to connect with the two souls that I aborted. One thirty eight years ago and one thirty three years ago.

AJ: So one is 38 years old and one is 33 years old. What genders were they, Barb?

Interviewer: The thirty eight year old is a male, and the thirty three year old is a female. The thirty eight year old was with my first husband and the thirty three year old was with my second husband. The second one has the same father as my son who lives here on Earth. My son here on Earth is now eighteen years old.

AJ: So you later on had a child who was born 15 years after?

Interviewer: Yes. It was really an emotional experience and I did not expect it all to happen,

AJ: You mean the communication with these two little souls who are not little souls?

Interviewer: They are now not little souls, although one is choosing to be a little soul. And I would like to ask you about that as well.

AJ: Sure.

Interviewer: Two Celestial spirits came forward and asked if I was happy for them to present my two children. I became a blubbing dribbling mess from then onwards for the next two hours.

AJ: So you started going through grief and feelings of sorrow.

Interviewer: The first thing I felt, AJ, was total shame. It was shame I felt initially.

AJ: So the shame of taking actions to abort them.

Interviewer: Yes, because now I know what the act has done. The shame just overwhelmed me; even though the children were there I could not look at them.

AJ: Initially you felt so much shame that you could not even engage with the children who were brought to you.

Interviewer: Yes, I had to put my hands over my eyes.

AJ: Could you see that the Celestial spirits were helping you go through this process of repentance, which includes first feeling shame and then feeling about the reasons why we did such things?

20.1.1. The interaction with the interviewer's son

Interviewer: Yes. It was a beautiful process and it was very gentle, and very loving and very caring. My son, who was the oldest, and his name is Jonathan, said he was angry with me. He is not in a dark place, but he had a lot of sadness around him. Because they had Celestial spirits around them, they are not obviously Celestial spirits themselves. My aborted children are not Celestial children.

AJ: That is correct.

Interviewer: Jonathan had some questions for me. He did say that he was angry with me and he wanted to know why I made the choice that I did to abort him. I told him the reason as honestly as I could: how I felt at the time and why I felt I made it. I did not know any better at the time. I now know that is not an excuse and I said to him that I am not making any excuses whatsoever.

AJ: Can you see though, Barb that was not the reason?

Interviewer: Yes, I know that is not the reason.

AJ: One of the things that people who pass over are often looking for is the actual reason. Not the reason we would like to tell ourselves, or the reason we tell ourselves to avoid the actual reason.

Interviewer: I told him I was really afraid of losing his father, who was my partner at the time.

AJ: Because his father did not want him at all?

Interviewer: No. We were both very young; both of us were seventeen.

AJ: You were afraid of losing the relationship and that was your primary reason?

Interviewer: Yes. That was the primary one, and the next primary one, I would say, would be my family, that is, facing my family and my father in particular. Feeling the shame that that would bring to my family and to my father, because of being out of wedlock. So I told Jonathan those things, and then he asked why there was no love at the time of conception? That was a very interesting question. He actually felt that there was no love, and wanted to know why that was the case.

AJ: Do you understand why that was the case?

Interviewer: I don't AJ, no.

AJ: This is the problem with two people who are having a sexual relationship who have no desire to have children at all. At the time of conception, the first thing the child feels is that there is no desire for them to be in their life, so there is no love flowing from the parent to the child. And this is why it is quite damaging to conceive if you don't want to have a child, because the child itself at that moment does not feel love flow to it. It's very first recollection of life is, unfortunately, no love. It is very hard to deal with and that is why many people who have been aborted, or had no love at the time of conception, spend many years in the spirit world attempting to resolve that issue.

Interviewer: I must say at this point Jonathan could not look at me.

AJ: He was angry enough to feel rageful towards you.

Interviewer: He did not have his back totally towards me, he was side on, but he could not face me this whole time.

AJ: Can you see that the Celestial spirits brought them both to you, not only for your sake to help you to resolve some issues, but also for their sake for them to resolve some outstanding issues as well.

Interviewer: Exactly. The next thing that Jonathan shared with me which made him the saddest of everything was that he knew who his soulmate was and I lived not far from his soulmate.

AJ: So you know of his soulmate as well?

Interviewer: Yes. My next question to him was if I know his soulmate. Jonathan's answer was, "Yes." His soulmate is amongst your group. And that saddened him greatly. The grief that I had then was great.

AJ: This is one thing that we often do not consider when we terminate a child; we do not consider that they actually have the other half of themselves remaining on Earth. Because of that, they now have to spend the first sixty, or seventy, or eighty years of their life waiting for the other half of their soul, their soulmate, if they soon find out who that person is. Once they find out who that person is, they have to actually spend seventy, eighty years waiting. Unfortunately this is quite a sad thing that they have to go through. These are what you could call all the unconsidered results of termination.

Interviewer: Honestly, the overwhelming impact of that on me, at the time he said it... I have a lot to feel about it. I am just trying to hold it together today. He said his grief about that is large.

AJ: It is not only large because of his grief, but it is also large because he can also feel your emotion that you don't want your soulmate.

Interviewer: I spoke to him about that.

AJ: And that is an additional reason why he has so much grief because what he is actually feeling from his mother is that the male is not wanted.

Interviewer: He then also had grief around Mitchell, not being a brother for Mitchell here on earth.

AJ: Jonathan is twenty years older than Mitchell, and obviously they could have had quite a good relationship.

Interviewer: He could feel that and I could actually feel at a soul level that they had a similar kindness about them.

AJ: If we explain that Mitchell is your son now, who you did give birth to and he is now eighteen years old.

Interviewer: Jonathan had grief around that, and I said to him, "Mitchell would have grief around that as well if he knew." Mitchell always wanted a brother.

AJ: A lot of times what happens is the aborted children do hang around their siblings. And they do spend time together in the sleep state, so it is highly likely that Mitchell would understand that he has a brother in the sleep state, but not just understanding that in his awake state.

Interviewer: This is interesting because that might be why Mitchell spoke so often of having an older brother all the time, when he was a young child.

AJ: Yes, he would have known as a young child that he did have an older brother, and he would have been spending time with his older brother in the sleep state. Every time he went to sleep he would be spending time in the spirit world with his older brother. When he came back here he would feel the loss of his older brother, and that is why Mitchell would have a feeling of loss about his older brother.

Interviewer: I spoke to Jonathan when he was talking about his soulmate and about what you have been teaching us about the sleep state, that you can have a relationship with you soulmate in the sleep state. He said that the Celestial spirits are teaching him that now. He has been introduced to all of that.

AJ: So he is actually capable of having a relationship with his soulmate in the sleep state, but unfortunately for his soulmate too, she might not be that conscious of this relationship, and she may finish up entering other relationships on Earth, because of her sadness of the experiences of her sleep state experience compared to the awake state experience. It affects many people; it just does not affect the parent. It does not just affect the child; it also affects the soulmate of the child. It affects any siblings of the child and so forth. There is a much wider viewpoint which mankind needs to understand to see all the emotions involved with the termination of a pregnancy.

Interviewer: What I realised after this was that I could really see how God's plan was perfect. And my actions interfered with God's perfect plan.

AJ: While God's plan will still probably come about in the long run, and through this process that you are going through, in the short term, we have interfered with the plan that everybody will be happy. That everybody will go through life on Earth to a large extent so they could learn a lot of things and join up with their soulmate while on Earth, and learn things that way. So yes, we have interfered with a lot of that happening. Once we understand this it is not just the gift of life that we have interfered with, but rather the ongoing life of not just our child, but also our child's soulmate, then we start to see the full impact of what has actually happened for that child.

Interviewer: At the end of that with Jonathan, he was able to look at me. He said he felt much better.

AJ: So he had dealt with some grief.

Interviewer: He felt much better, and he was happy to go with the Celestial spirits and feel about these events.

20.1.2. The interaction with the interviewer's daughter

Interviewer: Mischa, my daughter, is thirty three years of age, and the image I got was of a thirty three year old person; a younger version of me. The feeling I had was that she was coated in love. She was lying on my stomach with her arms around me. But she still chose to be a little girl. She said she was a little girl and I asked her if she was in Summerland. No, but she goes there often though, because it is so much fun. I asked her why she chooses to stay as a child and why she does not want to be an adult. She said that being a child is a lot of fun. The Celestial spirit stepped in and said she has her own free will and is able to decide what she wants to be.

AJ: Exactly! She has the viewpoint that being a child is a lot of fun because of some of your emotions. Some of your emotions are that once we become an adult we have to take responsibility, we have to act grown up; we can't do any childlike things. Because of those emotions that you have, there is this influence upon her where she thinks, "If I grow up and become like mummy, then I don't want that... I would rather be a child." Not understanding that she can act like a child while being an adult.

Interviewer: So if I dealt with those emotions...?

AJ: Yes, you would have an influence upon her. She is able to work through those emotions without you actively dealing with those emotions yourself. But it would be much easier for her to deal with those emotions if you had dealt with them because you are having an influence upon her. Remember that they were both late term abortions, and therefore you have already imposed upon them quite a lot of your unhealed emotional injuries. So, if you think about it, for much of your life you have been trying to grow up before your time.

Interviewer: I have put my age up all of my life. Until I got to fifty: it now stays there. I have done that all of my life. If someone asks my age I have always added five years on to it.

AJ: Exactly, and that is why you have always desired to be an adult. The reasons why you desire to be an adult needs to be considered. Once you have a look at some of those reasons, and there are quite a lot of reasons, not one or two, and if you can address these reasons, then you will no longer influence her into trying to remain as a child. She will also come to see that she can have exactly the same emotions, and exactly the same fun, but in a bigger body. In fact a bigger body gives you more options for fun. Unfortunately most people in the spirit world who want to remain children still have a lot of influence on them by their parents who are on Earth at that time.

Interviewer: It was very overwhelming to speak to both of them. I asked them both if they knew about their brother here, and they both said yes. They both had spent some time with him. But they didn't come here very often though.

AJ: No, they spend some time with their brother when he is in the sleep state. There is not a lot of love for them coming to Earth spending time with him. He is not conscious of them when he is in his awake state; he has lost consciousness of them when he is in the awake state. When he was young he had a consciousness of both of them when he was in the awake state. But usually, we as parents suppress that as well, so the child who is still on Earth gets suppressed quite markedly and eventually by the time they are ten or eleven or twelve, they are expected to have grown out of any imaginary friends and so forth. So a lot of their relationship then in the awake state with siblings who have passed is terminated while they are on Earth. But it is not terminated when they are asleep. They can still catch up because they are fully conscious that they have brothers and sisters in that state. So, as Mitch has grown he has become less conscious of them being around him, and therefore there is nothing in him to draw them to him. And because of your own avoidance of the emotions related to the terminations and so forth, there is nothing in you that would draw them to you, either. And for these reasons they would have very little time that they would spend on Earth.

Interviewer: I asked them if they had met each other before, and they said they had seen each other around me, but did not understand why. This was the first time they had met each other.

AJ: This is also an interesting thing, when you think about it. Unfortunately, children who are terminated do not know that they have a sibling who might have also been terminated. I know of some women who have had over thirty terminations. And all of the thirty children do not know of each other because there is no way of them knowing each other unless they exercise a desire, or unless the mother or father exercises a desire for them to know each other. This is something they miss out on; they miss out of knowing their other siblings.

Interviewer: When I was pregnant with Mitchell, I was convinced up until a month before he was born that I was having a girl. So I asked Mischa if she was around me when I was pregnant with Mitchell. She said she tried to come back.

AJ: She tried to reincarnate. What she tried to do was that she tried to over-cloak the physical body of Mitchell inside of your womb. This is the main reason why you felt that it was a girl. Because her soul was actually more developed than Mitchell's at the time, you would have felt her as the dominant influence connected to your womb. This happens a lot on the planet, Barbara, where many people try to reincarnate and try to re-experience life on Earth, they go through this process where they try to over-cloak a child in the womb, and many succeed because of the mother's and father's belief systems. Many succeed in over-cloaking the child even to such a degree that the development of sexual organs of the unborn child are influenced by their influence, and this is very, very damaging. It often causes much sexual confusion to the child. And if it does not cause confusion sexually, it certainly does have a lot of influence on the disposition of the child after their birth. Mitch is always going to have a very strong connection to pleasing women as a result of this over-cloaking. That is obviously damaging for him, which is something that he will need to work through.

AJ: This whole process of attempting to reincarnate by over-cloaking the physical body of a person has huge consequences for the spirit and for the person on Earth as well. You can talk to Michia and Mitch at another time. It is very interesting how they are named, one with feminine form of the name, and one with the male form of the name. Even that is very much influenced by her trying to attempt this over-cloaking and reincarnation.

Interviewer: She has definitely moved a long way forward since then.

AJ: Certainly. She did not have too much success with that. She found a male's body instead which she could not connect to, that caused her to disconnect from Mitch. Soon after he was born, she disconnected from him.

Interviewer: Through my bubbling dribbling mess, while this was going on, I said to them before they left that my prayers were with them and that they had God in their heart. Jonathan didn't comment on that, but Mischa said, "I have God in my heart and I know that Jesus is there helping you."

AJ: Yeah, she has obviously decided that she wants to follow the Divine Love Path and she has discovered it through this process of her own, with what she has gone through. But your eldest, Jonathan, is still undecided, and the reason why he is so undecided is because of some of the hurts he feels. This is part of the reason, but there is also his father's influence, you see. In all of this channelling you have not understood the father's influence to a large degree.

Interviewer: I asked them if they visit their father and they said they tried a few times. They left it at that.

AJ: But you have not discussed with them the emotional impact of the father's feelings upon them and how they felt about that. This has a large impact upon them both as well in terms of their decisions and what they choose to do with their life in the spirit world.

Interviewer: Hopefully I will have an opportunity to speak to them more.

20.2. The pros and cons of communicating with children who have been aborted

AJ: Yeah, it is always a good thing. You could engage this process as a mother, and I would also recommend it to fathers as well and a parent of any abortion that has happened as of a result of your influence because if you will do that, you will actually heal a lot of emotions within yourself. The desire or the feeling that you have the right to take a life has a lot of underlying emotional injuries associated with it that are out of harmony with love. Once you engage the process of talking with the people who you have actually terminated a life of here on Earth, you start to engage in the process of repentance and you start to heal a lot of these underlying emotions and belief systems that are out of harmony with love through the process. It is really a beneficial process for everyone involved.

Interviewer: Yeah, I definitely felt that. I also feel that I shut the process down at one stage because I got violently ill, I was vomiting, and I did not want to face the shame.

AJ: Yes, and the fear and terror that you have associated with it too. Oftentimes we have deep feelings of sickness once we come to the realisation of what we have done. Sometimes on Earth we don't want to go through those feelings, so what we do is try to shut them down. It is far better if we can keep them open, they will pass if we allow them to pass. If we shut them down, it will just take longer for those feelings to pass.

Interviewer: Reflecting upon all of that, in what situation would it be dangerous or damaging or even unwise to connect to our child in the spirit world through mediumship?

AJ: I don't believe that there would be any situation where it would be damaging or unwise. However, every one of these children who have been the result of an abortion is nursed through this entire process by Celestial spirits generally. Now, these spirits will generally prevent the meeting between a parent and a child if there is no love or even if there is rage coming from the parent. If the parent is going to project rage at the child, or if the parent is not going to go through a process of repentance, then usually the parent and the child are prevented from meeting for the child's sake.

AJ: It is a very similar, if you think about, to if the parent on Earth was abusive towards the child, then it would be wise for us to prevent the parent from meeting with the child. Otherwise it would just be another opportunity to perpetrate the same abuse. That can be taken one step further; the abuse can be considered to be emotional as well as physical in nature in the spirit world. If there is an emotion coming out of the parent towards the child that is very unloving, then usually they will be prevented from meeting until such a time as the mother and father, individually, wish to go through the process of dealing with the issues.

AJ: As long as we understand that principal, there are times if the parents involved in the abortion were to continue to have exactly the same attitude they had at the time of the abortion, then it is highly unlikely even when they are grown that those children would be lead to the parents to have a conversation with them, or have some kind of interaction with them.

Interviewer: For my children to come forward now, I now have expressed a willingness to feel and own up to what I have done?

AJ: Yes, you are much more open now. Even you desiring to do this interview was about you wanting to resolve some of these issues emotionally for yourself and to understand in a complete form what had actually happened. That in itself is a demonstration of a desire that you have to change something. Under those circumstances, the Celestial spirits would definitely recommend the reconnection of the aborted child to its mother or its father, if the father was going through the same process.

21. Hypothetical situations involving abortion

21.1. An example of a single poor woman with many children contemplating an abortion

Interviewer: I have a few hypothetical questions for you. Hypothetical 1: If a woman came to you, AJ, and she was a single parent of four, she was in poverty, had no family, friends or community support, in fact she was deemed to be a complete write off by society. She was feeling totally powerless, hopelessness, self-loathing, deeply ashamed, all her previous pregnancies were fraught with medical issues, and she was contemplating an abortion. What would you say to her?

AJ: I would always recommend for them to continue, and I would then personally do everything I could to make sure the abortion did not take place. I would make her life easier for her; I would choose to support her somehow, if I could. I would make her life easier for her in terms of trying to help her work through the reasons why she gets sick during pregnancy, in particular. I would try to or have some way of providing for her. If we look at it from a society perspective, there is a lot that we could do for this person. I would encourage her to continue to have the child. And if she is having too much difficulty with all of the children, then I would even be happy to look after all of the children, and even billet the children out so that she could work through the issues. I don't see children being given to other people to look after at any age as a problem, whereas people and society on the Earth obviously do. So that is the issue we have. It is the judgement coming in again.

AJ: Many mothers with four children or more, for example, are obviously under a huge amount of stress. Society, in many cases, does very little to assist with this particular stress, and unfortunately for many children, as a result of that, many children grow up with difficult emotional problems that turn into problems in their adult life, such as violence and other related problems. From society's perspective, but also from an individual's perspective, it is very important to be able to help that person. But I would never recommend to them that they have an abortion. And I would never encourage it in any way. I would want them to listen to this interview, for example, so that they would understand the entire ramifications to their own soul, for the soul of the child, and everybody involved.

AJ: Should they understand all the ramifications, I would not help them to have an abortion, and I would not recommend anybody to help them have an abortion. It is up to them to choose what they want to do in the end, and it is up to their own life as to what they choose to do with their body, but at the end of the day, they are not just doing it to their own body. So, I feel they would need to severely consider the consequences. If a person were really seriously considering it, I would be quite direct about what the consequences are, just like if a person was seriously considering suicide or murder, I would do exactly the same thing. I would try to present to them the consequences of the actions before they took it.

21.2. An example of contemplating abortion during pregnancy but not going through with it

Interviewer: Hypothetical 2: If I were contemplating having an abortion while I was pregnant, but didn't, and I then gave birth to a daughter. Can that have an effect on her own decisions later in life, when she decided to have an abortion?

AJ: It would definitely have an effect on her later decisions in life, and definitely in regards to her honouring the gift of life, the sanctity of life.

Interviewer: So even that's passed on?

AJ: That is passed on to her. She now has a lower degree of the sanctity of life within her generally than she would normally have had. Or she will go into complete rebellion, and she will go completely opposite to that. She will become militant about the sanctity of life. When I say militant, she will be prepared to kill somebody for the sake of keeping life sacred, which is also a problem. Either way she will have an emotional problem that she will need to address and that will be of a direct result of the mother carrying the child, and considering an abortion during the carrying of the child.

AJ: If parents understood the amount of beliefs and emotions that enter the child during their first nine months of their life on Earth, most parents would be horrified initially but after a while they would be overjoyed, actually. Once you have worked your way through the horror of it, and you realise that if you can go through the process of refining yourself before you become pregnant, then it just brings a beautiful life possibilities and prospective to the unborn child who is then eventually born. If we understood the whole ramifications of the feelings, the choices and decisions we make during that time period, and the ramifications it has on the rest of the person's life we would definitely not consider an abortion at any time, even intellectually through the process. We would want to resolve all of those questions even before we became pregnant.

Interviewer: True... in hindsight.

AJ: Yes, it is easy in hindsight of course. This is where I feel that the lack of truth and the lack of understanding on the planet as to what has really been designed by God is causing large amounts of long term difficulties, which we must deal with the effects off. This is a very damaging thing that we are engaged in on the planet. We are so resistive to discovering the truths of the soul, and yet at the same time having to deal with more and more of the consequences associated with breaking the laws associated with the soul, and what the soul chooses to do. If we understood the effect on our own children that our soul has during the time of gestation and pregnancy, we would be absolutely mortified to actually carry around many of our emotional issues that we are currently totally accepting of. In fact, many times justifying to ourselves with keeping.

21.3. An example of contemplating abortion if the child is not perfectly healthy

Interviewer: Hypothetical 3: I had an injury that I only wanted perfect babies (and a lot of us have that injury) and I had an amniocentesis to check all of that out. I convinced myself that if it came back with a negative result I would abort the child, but it came back positive and so the abortion did not have to occur. What impact does that have on the child?

AJ: It has a huge impact upon the child of needing to be perfect all of its life. And as a result of that many children has this feeling nowadays that they have to be perfect all their lives. Therefore they have generally a large degree of anger because it is impossible to be perfect. Particularly when your parents have imposed all their unhealed negative emotions, and unloving emotions upon you during the time you have been in the womb. Obviously it is going to be impossible to be perfect under those conditions. Because of the discrepancy between the fact that you desperately want to be perfect, and find it impossible to be, so there will be a large amount of self criticism generally, and potentially a large amount of anger inside the person that is born. All these feelings have a very large effect on the unborn child, and therefore, the rest of its life.

Interviewer: What about the soul condition of the parent?

AJ: The soul condition of the parent is that it is willing to commit a murder in order to maintain perfection, which is an indication of the soul of the parent's addiction to perfection. It is a major problem for the parent. If we are willing to murder for any reason, including for something not being perfect, then there is also a high likelihood that we would create imperfection sometime in our life, including the possibility of genetic imperfection in the womb while the child is developing. Unfortunately these addictions to perfection and looks, the way to everything appearing to be, actually creates more child problems during pregnancy, and more problems with deformation during pregnancy than would have normally been created. In fact there is a direct correlation between the desires to be perfect that occurs throughout all of humanity, particularly in the Western world, and the increasing incidence of deformations and genetic mutations occurring before a child is born.

AJ: Again, scientifically, people do not understand why we in the Western world have an increase of knowledge with regard to the human body and an increasing refinement of diet and understanding of minerals and vitamins and so forth, while at the same time we have increasing problems during pregnancy and childbirth. If they could see the correlation between the increasing emotions and the problems being experienced during pregnancy, then they would see a direct correlation that could then be scientifically analysed and understood. And once we scientifically analyse and understand, we will be able to resolve the issue. All problems of genetic mutations during the process of gestation are caused by some kind of emotional injury occurring, including where certain chromosomes are missing at the time of conception. They are all part of the particular issues.

Interviewer: That's another huge topic in its own right.

AJ: Yes I feel it is and a huge topic for the medical profession to research. During our discussion, there are literally hundreds of topics that this would trigger in scientific research if doctors and scientists were willing to investigate these particular options of understanding the link between the emotional make up's of the environment, which of course is dominated by the parents, and what affect that has to the unborn child.

21.4. An example of giving your blessing to your son and his partner to have an abortion

Interviewer: Hypothetical 4: If I offered support to my son and his partner who were considering an abortion and I said I was not in favour of the abortion, but I would give them my blessing because they have free will to make the choices they want to choose.

AJ: May I address why you would want to give them your blessing?

Interviewer: In that I would honour their free will. Blessing is the wrong word, isn't it?

AJ: Yes. It is one thing to honour a person's free will, but in this case there is a third person's free will that needs to be honoured just as much as the other two. And also there is the gift of life that needs to be honoured, and the reality is those two people already have the gift of life. To take away the life of the unborn child then they take away the gift of life of the unborn child. So I would make it very, very clear to any of my children (which I have done to my own sons) that any form of abortion is very, very dangerous to their own soul condition. But also very damaging to these unborn children, and help them understand what particular emotions these children go through.

AJ: Secondly, I would also address the issue as to why they take contraception lightly, if they did not want to have the child in the first place. We see this happening quite a lot these days with young children or with teenagers. They take contraception very, very lightly and yet at the same time have no desire to have a child. This is a lack of responsibility which the children have developed. And where did that lack of responsibility come from? This has obviously come from their own parenting, so during their own childhood their parents have somehow given their children this lack of responsibility, if they have grown up with this particular issue. There are quite a lot of issues that particular scenario brings up.

Interviewer: Also too, what about if I were giving advice? What impact would that have on my soul?

AJ: If you gave the advice that, "I don't agree with abortion but you have my blessing," then that is almost like a tacit approval to go ahead with the abortion. I could not give tacit approval to a person going ahead with an abortion. Under no circumstances can I see abortion as being the right way to go because of the different things we have discussed in the last two discussions. But I do acknowledge that there is the right for the parents to make their own choice; I can't force them into making a different choice. But I feel quite strongly that if they make a choice in disharmony with love that it is going to cause a lot of damage to themselves and to their child, and I would be very firm about that particular issue.

AJ: Now, I would not rave on about it after I have discussed it, I would leave it, and I wouldn't reject my children because they have made such a decision. I wouldn't ban them from coming into my home because they have made that decision, just like I wouldn't ban my children from entering my home if they were a murderer, either. However, it would be one of the first issues I would address with them if they walked into my home. For that reason I find it unlikely that they would want to come to my home if they are going to have a discussion most of the time about the issue. And I feel that this is important, because it is important that everyone on the planet understands the significance of what their choices are, and in particular the significance of their choices which harm other people.

AJ: And it is the same, Barbara, if you were alive and I noticed that someone wanted to murder you. I would treat that issue as seriously as I am treating the abortion issue. I feel that the two issues are identical in nature. I don't see them in degrees of severity, and that the abortion is a minor issue. So, what would you do if your son contemplated a murder? Would you give him your blessing?

Interviewer: No. Is this because we have not considered on Earth that a baby in a foetus is a human soul?

AJ: The fact, that you have given him your blessing comes from you yet to go through this understanding that actually no this is a little child, even when it is in the womb, it is a child. At the moment I feel that the understanding on the planet is very poor in that it basically only views the child as being a child once it is born, or is going through the childbirth process. Other than that, it does not treat the child as a child. This is a major moral and ethical issue.

Interviewer: Having this knowledge changes everything.

AJ: It changes everything. But you also have to consider why is it that it is so hard for people to realise that the unborn child is still a child. Why is that so difficult to grasp? There has to be some very strong emotional issues as to why this is so difficult for a person to grasp. And yet the instant the child is born, they accept the child as a child. Even the actions taken by the same doctors can be completely different. A doctor will often almost vitamise (if you could use that term, and I know that it is a rough term) an unborn child and kill it by using that method. Yet many times the same doctor is completely willing to put into a humidicrib a child that has been born through the natural processes, and then try and keep them alive spending hundreds of thousands of dollars and all our resources keeping the child alive. It is very interesting the deep contrast between those two states.

AJ: My feelings on this matter are, firstly, prevent all unwanted pregnancies. In other words we need to stop conception happening for any person who is engaging in sexual intercourse. We need to stop the conception because if the person conceives a child, then already the child is feeling bad. Now the case where there is some kind of accident and the conception cannot be stopped, then we need to allow the child to go full term, and not judge the parent, no matter what age the parent is, no matter what the circumstances are, because we need to understand that we all have some injury associated with the unborn child, not just the parent.

AJ: Then when the child goes to full term, we should not judge that parent for giving away the child if the parent feels as if it can't cope with looking after the child, or giving it the love that it needs. And we need to find parents, and there are literally millions of parents who desire to love children, who would love to accept these children, and we need to make it easy for those parents to accept it, instead of this legal minefield that we make it.

AJ: If everyone loved, we would also need to later allow that the original mother or parents may wish to see the child. Therefore allow such a thing to occur without worrying about whether we are going to lose the child now. Often time adoptee parents are so afraid of losing the child through that process because they, themselves, could not have their own child, and this was the original emotion why they couldn't have their own child; because they were afraid of losing their children. We have all these ramifications, all these different emotions playing out from prior to conception with the sex act, right the way through to childbirth. If we could resolve them all and experiment with them scientifically from an emotional perspective, then we would find the answers to lots and lots of questions through all of this. A lot of ethical questions would also be resolved.

22. Working through repentance about having an abortion

Interviewer: Well, AJ, after part one, and part two now, and my mediumship experience, I have decided now, that I am going to focus on dealing with my feelings and my shame and my grief about what I have done, and all the other acts that were at play at that time. In saying that, what advice would you give me in handling that? When would I know that I am fully repentant? What would I have to get to?

22.1. The benefits of repenting about abortion

AJ: Firstly, I would just love to compliment you on having that desire. When a person has that desire to address these issues, you will be surprised how many emotions inside of you that have been unloving will be addressed through this process. And the fact is if you had passed into the spirit world before now, one of the very first issues you would have had to face would have been this issue. The act of murder would be a very strong realisation after you passed in a certain condition. You would realise that there is a reason why you are here. And that would have provided some motivation to deal with this as the very first issue in your life. Interestingly, because of this issue, there are many different emotions and belief systems involved, and as you resolve these emotions and belief issues one by one, you will actually find that the rest of your life will also change. Your attitude towards men will change, your attitude towards women will change, your attitude towards life will change, your attitude towards embracing desire will change, and so forth. Your reflections upon the gift of life will change. Your desire to act every day, rather than put things off will change. Everything changes once you work your way through these groups of emotions.

Interviewer: How did you know I had all those emotions?

AJ: It is easy to feel a person. This is the beauty of what you are choosing to do. Once you start going through these issues, a lot of the other problems of your life will also be resolved. Many of the other problems of your life are being caused by the same soul condition that attracted the events in the first place and caused you to make the choices you made. This is the beauty of addressing these issues in this manner while you are on Earth. I would recommend to any person who has ever been involved in having an abortion, any person who has had an abortion, to work through these issues. And if they work through these issues, remember you need to work through them without judgement; you need to work through them emotionally. If you can work through these issues, then there are so many of your life issues that you will resolve by working through these specific issues with the taking of a life.

AJ: So that would be my recommendation; not to give up until it is done. Not to put it off because some of the emotions will be hard. And to engage God in the process, through this process of repentance. Engage God's help when you feel like it is getting hard. If you address these issues, much of the rest of your life will be changed, and even the lives of your aborted children who now are in the spirit world will actually be affected and changed. Particularly if they are yet to resolve the underlying emotional issues as to why the abortion took place, and their own lack of understanding about it.

AJ: You have the power to not only affect, by addressing those issues about your own life, but you have the power to affect your aborted children in a positive direction now. Remember, you affected two lives in a negative direction. You now have the power to affect these two lives in a positive direction. Also remember there is a soulmate to these two, so you have actually affected in a negative direction four lives. Now you have the power to positively affect those four lives in a positive direction, if you address the emotional issues associated with why these actions were taken.

AJ: I feel it is wonderful, Barb, that you desire to take those actions, and I also feel that it would be wonderful that every single person that even considered abortion, let alone had one, would actually address those issues. I would also love to see any person who has ever had a miscarriage or any other problems during childbirth and during pregnancy, to begin addressing at the emotional level what really went on, without judging themselves for having those particular issues. Remember that a lot of emotional issues, just as a lot of yours, have come from our parents. They have been imposed generationally from parent to child, parent to child, parent to child, and often over many generations. We need to stop judging them; we just need to repair them. We need to stop passing them onto the next generation. All that you can do to resolve that particular problem will change what happens around us. Imagine if fifty women who had an abortion got together and did that. Imagine the effect that would have around them for the respect for life. Straight away that would change. Imagine the effect of a thousand women.

AJ: And imagine all the men who ever wanted their wife to abort or wanted their partner to abort a child. Imagine if they all got together and examined their particular problems and the reasons as to why they chose to do that, their attitudes towards women, their attitudes towards the unborn. If they address those particular issues, imagine what kind of changes could happen on the planet with this kind of change happening in the hearts of people. This is why it is always beautiful to see a person do what you are considering to do here, and that is to bite off an issue that is challenging emotionally, which you have wanted to resist for a lot of your life. Now you are brave enough and have enough courage to do it, to actually address these issues. That would be my recommendation.

22.2. Identifying when the repentance process is complete

Interviewer: In full repentance, would you definitely know when you get to that stage?

AJ: Yes. With regard to full repentance, you will be able to remember the events completely; you will be able to talk to every single person about it, any person who you have never met, even a person who has known nothing about your life. You will be able to speak to your children in the spirit world openly, you will be able to have a relationship with them, and when you have all of those things happening, you will know and understand that you are fully repentant.

Interviewer: I will clearly be able to see the reasons why I took those actions.

AJ: You will not only clearly see the reasons why, but you would have addressed them emotionally. And you would have looked at your belief systems and you would have addressed them emotionally. And inside of you, you will have a completely different feeling about abortion, and you would never then be able to say to your son, "I will give you my blessing," or, "I respect your right to decide." While we do respect the rights of other people to decide what happens to their own body, at the end of the day, this is also about respecting the right of a third party who has yet to have a voice. They also have to have their rights respected, or their gift of life respected. Remember, we have all been given this gift of life, and that gift of life should be a gift that any single person who has been conceived is given the choice of what they want to do with it. It is like if we had a Christmas tree and we had a brother and a sister, the brother takes his gift and he uses it, and then with his sister's gift, he gets out a baseball bat and destroys it. How would you react as the mother then? You will be quite mortified. Well, that is what we are often doing. We have been given the gift of life as parents, and then we take away the gift of life from our unborn child. We don't have that right to make that choice and decision. It is a gift, and if we acted in harmony of love we would actually allow the child to experience that gift without taking it away ourselves.

22.3. Advice for spirits who have had or have considered abortions

Interviewer: Thank you, AJ. Would you give that same advice to our spirit friends that you just gave me, and every other person who has considered an abortion?

AJ: I would give the same advice. There are many millions of women spirits who have arrived in the spirit world, expecting to arrive in relatively good condition, but have arrived in very bad condition because they have aborted a child. And as I have said, the consequences of that are that they are treated very similar to a murderer, and many of these women are very surprised about that. I would recommend exactly the same thing to those groups of women. There are also many men who pass into the spirit world who have thought they have lived a nice honourable life, and yet they have encouraged their wife or their partner to have an abortion. They then arrived in the spirit world in a very dark condition, in a similar condition to a murderer. Those men do not understand, and they need to work through the emotions of understanding that they are there because they forced their wives, or had a huge emotional impact upon their wives or partners to consider an abortion. This is the reason why they remain in such condition.

23. Closing Words

AJ: If you consider how many abortions are done every year, as you said statistically at the moment there are 44 million abortions every single year (and that is probably a light estimate), which means there are 88 million murderers every year. Now, I am not even sure if there are that many other murders on the planet each year. If you think about it, there are 88 million people who are murderers on this planet every single year just from this issue of abortion. Obviously that makes a huge effect not only on the planet itself, in terms of the condition and feeling about life on the planet. This is why we treat life without any respect on this planet generally. This is why we easily enter into wars; we easily enter into oppressing other people because we don't understand the gift of life.

AJ: If we all dealt with those emotions there would be no abortions on the planet and then everyone on Earth would have a far greater respect for the gift of life. So therefore it would be very hard for us to go to war. It would be very hard to do other things that damage life. Another thing that we need to consider is actually there are more murderers, I feel, on the planet relating to abortions than there are relating to adult murdered persons. That is something that we really need to consider in terms of society. How willing we are to murder a person who has not got a voice, compared to how willing we are to murder a person who does have a voice. Surely, the willingness should be very different. It is almost completely opposite of how it currently is, and I am not saying that you should be willing to murder anybody. What we need to do is to be far less willing to murder a person without a voice. And yet we enter that in a quite willingly open space; in some cases it is a conversation during afternoon tea, and the decision is made. And that demonstrates the lack of respect for the gift of life we have on the planet.

AJ: I recommend that everyone who is listening to this and is challenged by this discussion to actually consider those particular things. If we can kill our unborn children, we can do a lot of other things that are very, very dark. And if we can't kill our unborn children then we have a lot more respect for life.

AJ: If you consider that for those spirits who have passed, it would be lovely for all of the spirits who have passed and have been involved in an abortion to start working through their emotional reasons as to the why they have taken such action. We need to make sure that we don't judge them, but they do need to work through the reasons why they did not value life. Some of those reasons will be related to their parents. Other reasons will be related to the society they lived in, and so forth. We need to address these issues as a society, so that we can have a society where from the moment of conception a child is protected – not from the moment of birth, and that would be wonderful.

Interviewer: Thank you, AJ.

AJ: Thank you again, Barbara.

