(tape rewind sound effects)
(funky music)
- I used to have a pair
of shoes like that.
- [Voiceover] You did?
- When I worked at the Yard Theater.
- We must have got 'em at
the same place on 6th avenue.
- I don't know where they came from.
They were given to me.
But mine were all covered
with dead vegetables
and whip cream by the end of the season.
(slow paced music)
- [Voiceover] It's funny,
the guy who sold me these,
that's what he had to take off of them.
(Frank laughs)
- Boil 'em a little bit.
(funky music)
- [Howard] For a long time
you've been in New York
and then went to L.A., why?
I mean what's?
- [Frank] I served my time in New York.
- [Howard] What do you mean?
I didn't like it that
much while I was here
and I liked California a lot better.
It was so depressing
during the time I was here.
I really hate to come back.
- I don't know, I always find L.A.
and New York sort of similar.
And it's like the same hustle
is going down in both places.
- Ain't no hustle where I live.
I got a place with a
bunch of trees around it.
Some space, I don't have to shuffle
around the street and walk over
people who have pissed all over themselves
and are laying down there in the gutter
and policemen coming along
beating them on the leg,
screaming at them to get up
and dog (bleep) all over the place.
It's just a little
different in Los Angeles.
(fast paced music)
- I'm wondering if maybe touring around,
whether you've started
to notice something.
A kind of more political consciousness
of the audiences.
- [Frank] That's superficial.
- [Howard] Yeah?
- [Frank] Yeah.
I really believe that.
It's as superficial as
their musical consciousness.
It's just another aspect of being involved
in the actions of their peer group.
One guy in the group says, "Hey politics."
And they go "Yeah, politics."
Or they go, "Grand funk railroad."
And they go "Yeah, grand funk railroad."
It's the same thing.
- [Howard] And you don't see really
any real change that's gone down?
- Sure I see a lot of changes.
But I think they're all temporary things
and any change for the good is always
subject to cancellation upon
the arrival of the next fad.
And the same thing with
any change for the worse.
You have a nation of
people who are waiting
for the next big thing to happen.
- [Howard] How about
before each concert though.
Do you have to get yourself up to do it?
Do you think, "Oh God,
those idiots out there."
- [Frank] No, I don't think "Oh
God, those idiots out there"
until I find out they're idiots.
I give them the benefit of the doubt.
(upbeat music)
- [Howard] This is something
from out of left field.
The whole women's lib thing.
- Yeah.
- [Howard] Has that touched you at all?
Has any people said how come you don't
have any girls in the group?
Women, pardon me, women in the group.
- Yeah, somebody asked me that last night
as a matter of fact.
- [Howard] How come you don't?
- Well I just don't think it's practical.
- [Howard] It's not practical?
- [Frank] No, not for what we do.
It's just not practical.
I don't think that there's a girl around
that would fit in with what we do.
I don't like to change
personnel all the time,
but it does seem to happen.
And I would hate to stick a girl in,
get new publicity photos,
and then have the poor thing bomb out
in the middle of the tour.
- [Howard] Has it touched
you at all women's lib?
I mean do you think
that is a valid movement
or just a fad also?
- [Frank] Just a fad also.
- [Howard] Really huh?
- Sure.
Which is not to say it's bad if it
keeps them off the street you know.
Keeps them occupied.
- [Howard] But how do
you personally though
think about women?
Do you think a woman's place is the home?
Is that basically how you see it?
- [Frank] No, some women are very badly
suited to being in the home.
And I don't think they should be there.
They should be in a factory or
in a library as a Librarian.
Or even doing something more exciting.
Like show business.
Women are different.
Each one has their own
sort of qualification.
I hate to think of women as a big group
because you can't judge them that way.
But in most instances I find out
that they're just really stupid people
who just happen to wear dresses.
(fast paced music)
- [Howard] Why do you think
America is so fad crazy then?
Because you seem to see
everything in terms of fads.
- I think that's a
reasonable way to look at it.
Because it doesn't have any
real sort of values you know?
And a fad provides you with a temporary
occupation for your imagination.
Really, it doesn't have any real culture.
It doesn't have any real art.
It doesn't have any real anything.
It's just got fads and
a gross national product
and a lot of inflation.
- Now that also puts you in
as part of the fad right?
- I'm an American, I was born here.
I automatically got entered
into membership in the club.
You can compute me any way you want.
(upbeat music)
- [Howard] And is there anything
else you wouldn't wanna.
I always feel whenever
I'm interviewing you
that we hit some kind of a dead end.
Remember that interview
a couple of years ago?
- [Frank] As a matter of fact I don't.
- [Howard] We hit some kind of similar
dead end at that point.
I don't know, you just seem
so down on so many things.
- [Frank] I'm not, I have a good time.
(upbeat music)
(high pitch squeaking)
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