Point 6:  Yahweh (the Self), sees in Job
(the Ego) an equal power. [Voice] Yahweh sees
the Ego is an equal power?! Right! Because what
we're talking about here, according to
Edinger. I'm not saying ...[Voice]  Well I can see how
that would happen, but it's just it's it's;
wouldn't it,  would be equal in the sense
that there's a dynamic between the two
that wouldn't exist if one was not there.
Well, isn't it the dialectic between
nature and consciousness. There's nature
both good and bad, but it's up to
consciousness to bring some meaning into
that. [Voice]  Well [inaudible]
that might be one way to look at it but
without consciousness there is no good
or bad. Yeah without consciousness there's
just nature. Right? In its wholeness. [Voice] Without
consciousness there's nothing. [laughter] Yeah
without that consciousness there's nothing.
[Voice] That's why there's a dynamic.
You've got that's how they could be
equal, in the sense that there would be
nothing, but they're not equal in the
sense that
the Ego is; well maybe they are. That's
interesting! Maybe the Unconscious is
only as big as what the Ego is not; or
vice versa.  Because there's a balance.  Right?
[Voice] Well yeah in a way. But
it's sort of like there's these there's
these two tensions, and if one of them
changes, that one changes, and there's
this going back. And of course, back here,
behind each one of them, there's no limit,
That's what we call psychic
energy. Right? It's the dialectical
psychic energy between them.
[Voice] When you refer to that a lot of times it
always seems it's; given what came with
the with the structuralists and
post-structuralists, and that whole ilk
it seems so....
It doesn't seem very complex, and it's
far more complex than that. Because like
you were talking about layers; there's
no layers. It's like network; just like
nodes in the network. And you tweak one
and it tweaks all the rest of them.  It's just...
There's a whole; it's like a jellyfish or
something. You poke it here and it does
this over there. It's just... Exactly well
that's what all life is actually.
All life is ... [Voice] Well there is some human being that has total
unconsciousness. Right? Pardon? [Voice] There is no
human being has total unconsciousness ...
Well unconsciousness in the sense of
lacking Ego, I think there are, but [Voice] Every time you
go to sleep, pretty much ... You're
giving up your ego. Yeah. [Voice] You're letting...
[Voice] Ego is consciousness. Ego is consciousness, and awake
and making ethical decisions. Right? And this
again is Jung's dichotomy between
moral decisions which are based on law
and okay all of our ancestors said that
this was a good thing you know you don't
go and kill your neighbor just because
he works on Sunday. Right? That's
unconsciousness, if you do something like
that without making a value judgment.
And so you know, but what in
human experience what happened is that
sometimes people did do that. Right?
Absolutely! [Voice] They had the moral law behind them, right?
Right! And so they put the moral law in place to
prevent that sort of thing, but it
doesn't always prevent,  because
we violate little rules all the time.
Right?
And, you know, this was how Jimmy Carter
got in trouble, because he admitted that.
Right? He said, "I have committed adultery
in my heart. Well what man hasn't
committed adultery looking at some woman
who is not his wife?
All men have done that.[Voice] My heart's not ruled by
law. Right! But then it's
ethics! Right? If it's not the law,
it's your ethics, because some men do go
commit adultery. The law be damned! So
it's a it's a question of personal
ethics. [Voice] There's a functional side of
nature that will not allow a disorder like that
to persist.  That's where
balance comes in; that's where this
balance comes in that they're talking...
[Voice] It's not up to the individual though, because the individual ...
The individual doesn't have the intellectual  capacity
to do this. It think. Right.  Yeah, but in my
in my experience every time someone has
screwed me; and now I remember the White
thing. What David White said is that I
know that guy, and he has been screwed by
bigger and bigger people, but he has
always gotten bigger than what he was.
Because that's the Job
experience. Right? You have a contest; you
lose; you lament about it; and then you're
reborn into something new. Okay I know
that that's happened in my life! Right?
And so that's what White said he
said, [paraphrased] "I know that fellow. He gets screwed
by bigger and bigger people."
And that's what's happened to me and my
life. I can attest to it. But it was
because I got screwed by bigger and
bigger people, as I ascended. You know, I
was reborn into the next thing up. I
found a way around. I got blocked by
some somebody that wasn't as big as me.
OK, let's put it that way.  I would get
blocked by someone who wasn't as big as
me in some way, and I would lament about
the fact that they've blocked me off. And
then I would go around them. OK I
wouldn't be able to go forward in
whatever I was doing, because I was
blocked at their level, but instead of
being blocked at their level I simply
said, "OK, I can't make it at their level, I
must have to go up upstream." Right? About
what? [Voice] About failure. "She knows there's no
success like failure and that failure's no
success at all." It's kind of complex
lyrics.
We can read it. [Voice] You don't have your guitar with you.  [Voice 2] It's actually very good...ahhh... I
don't know it's not exactly applicable. I
just, when you said that I thought of it.
"Love Minus Zero; No Limits" [by Bob Dylan]
I have so many songs of his I like, but
that was one of them. So, "Love Minus Zero; No Limits"
[Voice] "My love, she speaks like silence without ideals or
violence; she doesn't have to say she's
faithful, yet she's true like ice like
fire. People carry roses, make promises
by the hours. My love she laughs with
like the flowers. Valentine's can't buy her."
Yeah, I mean I agree. I don't buy hallmark
anymore on Valentine's day, because
somebody else's sentiment isn't
going to get it; isn't going to tell
Debbi I love her.  [Voice] A lot of a people need to have it
canned. They do! OK, so here we go. Yahweh [Voice] Can I ask...
go to something. I'm still a little bothered by this.
Okay, go ahead. [Voice] We're talking about moral now.
We're talking about society imposed
order. Right. Okay, which has some
insanity to it, I realize that, but it's a
reaction to a disorder. Of course.
It is a product of man's consciousness.
That's right! The culture is a
product of man's consciousness. Both sides are.
[Voice 2] Culture is consciousness, but I'm talking
about in the moral ... we're creating a moral
law, so to speak. [Voice 2] I don't see a difference. [Skip] Yeah, for better for worse its
consciousness. [Voice 2] Culture becomes a
history of consciousness, because
it's accumulation of rituals, rights,
customs and so forth that come together
and create a social contract. And waits
for the consensual hallucination, you
know, so that everybody's having the same
hallucination. so that we can communicate.
[Voice 1] That's a good way to put it.
You see there's so many different Yahwehs
because there's so many different Egos.
Yahweh is the opposite of the Ego though.  Right? [Voice] Well
opposite only
works intellectually; practicality in a
practical way, they're a dynamic duo.
You can't separate
one from the other, because one defines
the other. Well that's true okay but
but my psychologist friends do say that
the reason that our president has to do
all this stuff about the perks that he
has and everything is he has such a
teeny weeny little ego. So his Ego... the
Ego builds up builds strength based on
these disappointments and reverse.  Right?
And so their point is that a
narcissist has a very small Ego. Okay.
and can't cope and so it has to... it has
to build itself up with bluster. I mean,
when I was in the fourth grade my father
taught me how to handle a bully. He
said, "You've got to stand up to him."
He says, "Remember a hard-boiled egg is always
yellow inside." And you can see it in our
president. You can see how yellow he
really is. [Voice] He's so afraid that
anybody's going to see that he is yellow.
That's right, he's afraid of people's
seeing through him. [Voice] Well Skip...
And if that happens, I mean, Florence Foster Jenkins
dropped dead! Literally! She dropped dead
after her performance.
And so an
underdeveloped Ego is looking to make
themselves look very big. Okay, they
want everybody to think they're very big.
Right?  And unfortunately what the
president is experiencing here is ... okay
everybody thought he was hunky-dory up
until Election Day now all the sudden
people are saying, "Now wait a minute!"  You
know, [Voice] It's sort of funny in a way, because
if he could bluff and bluster his way
through everything, and then suddenly
the reality hits. You're president now!
Yeah, I mean he you saw it on Election
Night. You saw a look on his face Election
night, because he realized all of a
sudden, "Oh boy, this is going to be my
responsibility."  [Voice] "Well, oh boy,  somebody just
pulled the curtain back, and they're
going to see who I am." Right! And
"Oh boy, oh boy it's not me that's going
to decide whether I was good president or
bad president."[Voice] It's all out of  his control now.
Yeah, whether I'm historically a
significant person, or whether I'm a joke.
