Hi everybody
So this is a weird talk
I like that
Yeah, it's not going to give you any actionable insights into your business
Not predicting anything concrete for the future and there's also a bit offensive
Hope everybody's okay with that. If you're the type who gets offended by ideas, I would leave now
Don't worry the next slides not offensive see I like a little bit of time to leave so
If you could all this also, I'm not that much of a visual content producer you saw my first slide
So this this is going to require a bit of an active imagination and
We are all here together going on a journey. And for this talk to work you guys really need to
It's very easy to view these things as applying to the other. It's harder to see them as applying to you
Um, maybe another word that historically has been used. This is a bit of a religious talk
It's faith
now I
May be this word gets a bad rap, maybe faith usually is accepting things that aren't true or provably false
But you just have to accept them on faith and that's charlatanism
when I talk about faith, what I talk about is
Things that aren't provably true or false, um, and I can make arguments
But there is no concrete proof in any of this talk if I had concrete proof. I wouldn't tell you guys
They also might be watching
Like really
Ah, so just you know
Rose basilisk, I don't know if they'll reward you for this or punish you for this but they might be they might be watching right?
Just as if you're in the kernel it's easy for you to watch the memory of any user space process
to the years 2011
I got sued by Sony
Being in a lawsuit is a really trying experience. I had a panic attack. That's real scary
But you know, how do you deal with this kind of stuff? Right? I've made a rap song yelling at Sony
And then kind of you know attempt to prove that I
wasn't like
An unemployable outcast. I got a job at Facebook. I
Quit that job
They tell you they tell you the second day I'm at Facebook
They tell you that the truth, you know Google's all about. We're trying to organize the world's information
The second day. Are there a real slick marketing guy dressed in a suit?
This is back before Google went kind of the way they did now
Google still was kind of tech utopian a facebook says here's number of minutes. The world has spent on Facebook
It's your job as an engineer here to get this number to go up. This is 2011
So it's the end of 2011 and I'm at the movies
But I'm at a movie theater
And everyone's heard this simulation hypothesis. So I'll go through it quickly
Just in case you haven't and maybe because some of the arguments are kind of wishy-washy
So here we are on earth, and we've created a lot of worlds
you may argue that these worlds are not that complex, but
They are
worlds in and of themselves and
We did create them. So if you were
inside one of those worlds
It would be right for you to believe this simulation hypothesis
if you're Mario inside of Super Mario 64 the correct hypothesis to believe is the simulation hypothesis that you're a
simulation created by a higher world
So we can make this graph and put this down here and
Our world is likely a simulation created by no use the word. God. I
Think it's a good word for for our Creator. It's what?
They've been called historically and it stands to reason that they also probably created a bunch of other worlds
Now don't think of God as
Some mystical wizard one could even paint it like looks like Gandalf, right?
you don't think of God as a wizard think of God as a computer programmer because that's probably
Much more likely who created the worlds in our world computer programmers. So what is God God's probably computer programmer
I'm so the simulation hypothesis goes on to say there's this probably a big tree a God probably is not the root node
And so
What are the odds that wear this one?
Well, it seems pretty low. I don't know. Maybe there's like 40 nodes up on that thing. It looks like one in 40
It's probably actually a lot more nodes
You can draw a much bigger tree, but I can go kind of lose its effect on the slide
So yeah odds are we're in a simulation that's the simulation hypothesis 101, so I'm at the movies
I'm walking up to the ticket counter
2011 was it was a rough year. I took something Jeff we could take kratom. It's good. I know it's kind of shitty but
I'm standing there. I'm walking up to the ticket counter
And this comes back to what I said before
It's when I first really realized that the simulation hypothesis applies to me
This isn't some
Hypothetical weird game that's being played here. This is actually my life that's being spoken about I am actually
in a simulation and so are you
I was raised atheist
probably most you all work -
I'm not gonna ask that as a poll question, but I
Was told about the big bang right your fool if you believe in creationism that the world was created
6,000 years ago by uh by a God and I mean this is kind of probably pretty foolish
But then you're told this alternative thing. You're told about the Big Bang and the Big Bang is what created the universe
What created the Big Bang
This doesn't answer any questions
It's one of these I think eliezer yudkowsky talks about them was like like stopping points
Right if you'll ask a religious person
well what created the world god and you ask them what created God all they're like God always is it always will be so maybe
What created the Big Bang?
Well quantum fluctuations in the time space. Okay, what created that?
Right. This is not an answer
um
Look at this guy
For me fuck them Stormwind
His name right? I don't know. It's been a while. So that flights guy. I
Think he's an atheist
Well, if he was an atheist he'd be an idiot just these are his gods
So scarran development team
Has it occurred to everyone in here who's an atheist that you actually may be wrong
All right, the arrogance the arrogance of atheists that's insane it's absolutely insane, um
Take a little aside here
These are the some physics equations, right? So if you believe that our universe is simulate a ball
I think you can go to the church Turing thesis and I think there's like a church Turing
Some guy extended the thesis to said all physical processes are simulated by a Turing machine
And if you believe this you can compute a Turing machine on paper
Right, you're writing out all the equations
carefully for the universe
What do those equations look like when they're simulating a person screaming?
This guy
Really you really see the similarities
You are in a video game
Go back to what I said at the beginning of the talk this talk is gonna require
Imagination and faith, and I want you to take a minute
About a whole minute a minutes actually a really long time
but take a little bit of time and really think that
Maybe you are
They really might be watching this right now
It's unlikely. It's unlikely that they're actually watching it. Probably I mean think about if you had built like a big MMORPG, right?
it's unlikely that the game creators are actually zoomed into your
individual tile right now
Are you sure that's not what happens to you when you die
But really
You know again, I was raised atheist and
You you dismissed the notion of the afterlife and you dismissed the notion of heaven is like almost a childish
fantasy
but
Why is this not true
Like why is this if let's say let's even say let's even go a little more earthly here
Let's say that future me is bored
and like I
Self a videogame. I don't want to enjoy the game, right?
I mean if you really want to enjoy games in the future you're gonna need to
selectively mute
Certain parts of the memory clearly. That's what happened there. Right? So maybe uh,
maybe these were the greatest years of my life and
In the future. I create a video game so I can replay them
And that's where I am right now
Now, I'm not sure about this. I'm not willing to die to find out but
How do you know?
It's easy to dismiss this it's easy to just be like no no. No, I've been set in my ways for many many years, but
There's no real proof or evidence that this isn't true
Let's talk about a little story and they don't go the parable of a caged Tiger. It's about a tiger in a zoo
Um, but it's a nice - it's not like a sad zoo where we put the tiger in a small cage. It's not like that
It's a nice zoo, and the tiger is a in a beautiful lush meadow
With plenty of room to roam and in his youth he does room
he roams from the
fake wall on one side
To the fake trench on the other side
And he knows intellectually the Tigers are in zoos
And the zoos
Keep Tigers and cages
But he says no evidence for this cage
Remember, he's a tiger he only has a tiger brain
And when he
Walks around he doesn't seem to think anything. He can't seem to find any evidence. So
He goes on and Hunt says a tiger
Has a nice tiger family
Nice tiger feather it dies a nice tiger death
Bothered by the fact that he's in a cage
And I've come to you we were human
You live your nice human life
Maybe you haven't been to space but you've heard that humans have been there
You haven't been to the bottom of the ocean, but you heard James Cameron's been there
So you're you're pretty confident that you're not in a cage?
well, but so is the tiger and
What the tiger doesn't see is the zookeeper
You
The zookeeper is so much smarter than the tiger and
I think this is an idea that is finally starting to be accepted
like if you think of yourself as an intelligent agent, um, even the dumbest humans are
Far smarter than the smartest monkeys
But that's it easy to imagine things that are so much smarter than you
And they could build a cage that you couldn't recognize
Who's your zookeeper
This is impossible for you to conceive just as the tiger
You you can't imagine something smarter than you or you can imagine it?
But you can only imagine it in the vaguest terms
If you could imagine a chess player that was as good as Garry Kasparov
You can use your imagination to play chess as good as Garry Kasparov, right? Just ask your imagination what the imaginary version would do?
And you every move?
You can't imagine the zookeeper, but you can't rule it out
you
So if we're in a video game, are you a player character or non player character
What's the difference
Since I like his player just know that they're in a game
Ah
Maybe I'll do this show of hands how many people seriously consider this is a possibility
All right, so how do we get out
So we're probably running in a data center somewhere
Like this
Interesting
Up there. It's not here. The Dennison is not here
I want you to think about the computer that's running Skyrim the computer running Skyrim is not in the Skyrim world
Alfred Strom could walk from these dragon mountains all the way down to the
Lazy Ridge and you wouldn't find any evidence of the computer
So you're not going to find any I'm at the data center looking around here
But what if we could
Let's hack into the computer running the simulation and rewrite the operating systems nature
Every bad thing that happens in the world today
Murder rape yes, you know
Losing $20 dropping them on the sidewalk
Happens because the laws of nature allow these things
Could hack into the computer running nature we could change the rules
We could change the rules governing our simulation. It sucks that we're not in control of it
We're put here
I
Really? Like I really believe this stuff like I sit here like I look around at me and I'm like, I was put here I
Wasn't I didn't ask to be born?
and
It seems like I'm in somebody else's simulation
When I was a
When I was a 8 play this game a lot
Samara well SNES just go in my aunt's house. Like go to basement it. Please game
I probably put I put hundreds of hours into it right. I wanted I wanted to unlock all the all the secrets of the game
and one of nine
Go to Toys R Us ahead. Geoffrey bucks Toys R Us was still around. I bought a game. Genie
Remember this
So you could you put in the you unplug the Super?
Mario World cartridge you plug it into the top of the game. Genie game genie back into the Nintendo
and you
Could give yourself infinite lives
You could make it. So the enemies didn't affect you. You could always give yourself wing cap that you couldn't lose
It's nice
And this scene in a low consequence world
You know today's world if you think there's any real consequences think of what we could change now
I'm not sure. I want them, you know unplugging the cartridge running the universe. I don't know how the savestates work
I don't even know like how we'd ask God to put the game. Genie
What do we have to so what happened
Oh
He did a lot of weird stuff
moved a bunch of shells around
Moved a bunch of goombas jumped on a bunch of people did some weird stuff with Yoshi
What that was doing was setting up the memory of the meta computer
in such a way that after he triggers the final exploit the X across er jumps to his
Arbitrary coat. There are no pong and snake
minigames hidden in Super Mario World
Those were completely injected that is arbitrary code execution on the Super Mario World game
Um
Sethbling did a bunch of YouTube videos about this as well
That is a hex editor actually running inside of
SuperMario and that's the hex editor hex editing itself
So if you're Mary
Now you might think okay. Well, what does it mean to be Muriel
Assume that Mario is an intelligent agent
assume that Mario is the kind of agent that
Can thinker and what what kind of their if you guys have seen like GPT two and stuff?
We have agents that are capable of like
thinking and
Maybe they do start to think about how to get out
Mario could do Mario's science
Can figure out when he put shells in weird places that weird things happen
We kind of seeing like things like this in our universe. We just call them physics
Maybe there's weird quirks
maybe we could actually get in some like like if you're exploiting a system if you're exploiting like a computer a
Lot of the things you'll do are at best gonna like crash the computer
Maybe that's equivalent. Like, you know, you get like a black hole, right?
That's when the universe is just like I'm not simulating this but what if you could like put it in weird States, right?
This is the question. Where do we
start to get at
You know the states and the the take away is is
That it's possible to take actions here that affect the upper world
um
It kind of has to be there is no way
In a simulation that we built to have state represented only in that world
I mean the state has to be represented in this world as well
so for us
When we do things here, we have to be affecting things in the upper world
When we move when I move
Whenever is tracking me
Has to change some physical state in the upper world
So it's possible to take an action?
just need to figure out kind of what the action space is how we can get at explaining it, but I want you to
Its about imagination. Oh, you don't imagine really doing this
Being in basement sitting at a computer
and typing some stuff in
Starting to see exploits starting to see places where this universe breaks down
We're in a video again
People out there
I heard another thing when another one of these let's debunk relating kind of things
That your soul weighs 21 grams. I'm got showed this
Weight a body and waited for the body to die and show that it lost 21 grams of weight
This is obviously absurd
This wouldn't even make sense. Even if you believed a religious view of souls
but
To give information based arguments for why we can't
No afterlife, they don't really hold off because it's out-of-band
Um, it's
Imagine you have a
kernel
And it's running a bunch of user space processes
Where a user space process in the simulator computer the kernel can access any of our memory
without us knowing in fact, they can pause the simulation whenever they want without us knowing as well if the simulation follows some kind of
rules
So, you know
There's no reason that anything would have to be physically detectable in this world
For even like an afterlife of souls to be real. Oh
Look at this guy. The soul wasn't addressing Ram
The next part of the talk, what are you doing with your life?
Like really if you start to believe this stuff a lot of people
Okay, there's a lot of people out there who do nothing
As far as I can tell like I really I don't know what they're doing what they're trying to accomplish
And then you have like okay a bunch of people who are like we are going to acquire our power
Many shapes and forms in today's world. It's much better to go these very
Circuitous routes to acquire power, you know, you can't just stand up in front of an audience and say I want to acquire power
It's frowned upon in today's world. Um, I told you it's offensive. So this talks offensive
But a lot of these people they stop at power over people
People who want to go into politics people who want to be CEOs what they're looking for is power over people
Even people who want to make a lot of money what fundamentally does money buy you
There's a great
Sci-fi book set in the prime intellect universe that goes into the root of all money is really human suffering
I'm not sure that's exactly true. But I mean kind of money just really buys you power over people
but if you don't
Care I want power over nature
Fundamental we're all running if nature is the computer that's running us. We're all running on nature
So I started a company a few years ago, khamenei I um
I'm about to have a lot of money
Ah this kind of only one thing worth doing
Like Here I am right I'm stuck in this little world I get that
So, I don't know
I really I wonder I wonder from like brain science perspective
If these are the same kind of thoughts that people who and today it's a really bad rap
But the kind of people who were religious
Previously thought about I wonder if these are the similar sort of thought patterns. I'm always asking the question how much of
these views are due to
my
of the word personal bias is so taken to me in something else today, but I mean it like the rationality stance like like my
Bias has encoded in my human architecture
right
Through the great book elephant in the brain by Robin Hanson. You guys want to read more about that stuff, but
There's an Eminem quote
The cells padded and battered like someone else had it before me and they just kept throwing they fucking selves at it
so I feel
That's how I feel in this world
Like what else are we doing? We all run around in the little simulator and
Uh, I'm thinking about starting a church I
Mean see that. Okay. I started a company right you think about that
There's a lot of almost structural problems with companies. I'm one of the biggest is there's no real way to win
you think about two people playing chess and
No matter who wins the chess game the board gets put away and everybody can walk away with more respect for the game
With companies isn't really true kind of there's only a way to loose
Oh you win with your acquisition? Not really. You just passed the board off to somebody else
So I feel like churches might be much more aligned with these sort of goals
And the goal of the church would be to redirect society's efforts into getting out
So a quick aside
How does magic work
Not like the card game Billy think about like Harry Potter
Right, you you wave the wand and you say the right words and the right order and you control the physical world
We have something a lot like this today, it's just much less sexy magic has a certain sexiness to it, right?
um
you always think I remember I remember the first readin like Harry Potter and you think man if I was in this world
I would study so hard. I would try so hard to be so good at magic
And you really think that really is something like magic right here
is programming
Um
When I was 15
I read eliezer yudkowsky early writings on like ca eyes and stuff
And you realized it right now with the amount of compute power available in the world if you typed the right stuff
You could like take over the world. I think we're well past the point where like the right floppy disks worth of information
will get you
Everything on how many people play paperclip simulator and got to the hypno drones, right? I
Mean, it's it's this
We're at the point. I don't know how close you guys think the singularity is to me. It seems very close
but now like what do we do if we if we go through the singularity and we still have the same sort of
motivations that we have right now
Namely power over people the world's going to be horrific
Um
Maybe if we go through the singularity with the right goal goals that are actually more in line with our newly acquired powers
like power of a nature
So I think about like what does it mean to start a church today?
I think about like buying a nice like a state compound somewhere
I'm like starting to really work on it
Trying to get the right people together
and starting to say
What does it mean to get out? Um?
No, I mean no quackery
No, no, no, no crap everything. You say better be like rationally justifiable a big fan of rationality a
big fan of
Empirical and everything you say like a lot of this stuff
You you can reject something if something is not falsifiable, right
Like sometimes people will get caught up in arguments that that argument just isn't it's not even wrong
There's no experiment that could show one side or the other but I don't think this stuff falls under that. I think there are
experiments we can do
That will start to probe at the nature of what the computer running the simulation is. We've done some if you remember the
How much quantum physics do I really know? Um, but like the bell in equality
And they built they built a machine
To actually verify the Bell inequality and that there really is no local hidden state they built a machine
in a basement in a state compound somewhere probably in an academic lab before the universities went the way they did but
Yeah, I don't know it's an idea I'm thinking about it
Um, but it seems like I don't know what's nice seems like it's worth doing
Daniel MA
Like that so, let's see
Um, I'm almost 30
Like this is from ERISA Nations, Tricia
A lot of things are attrition. I'm gonna buy a house who's gonna dust the furniture
All right, like it's all these little things that just ship away
And on a biological level biology is chipping away as at me as well
There
it's just the wear and decay and
there's a
This isn't just happening to me. This isn't just happening to my house. This is happening to the entire universe and it's called entropy
So if you guys studied this was high school chemistry
Energy can't be created or destroyed
It seems like also that there's a finite amount of energy in the universe
But this isn't true about entropy entropy
Is a measure of almost useful energy and the amount of entropy in a closed system only goes up
So
everything that we do
The rough maybe people talk about it in terms of like order and disorder every time you want to create order somewhere you're creating immense
disorder somewhere else
You're actually creating more disorder than you are creating order entropy goes up on some physicists talk about entropy in terms of this is time
This is what we experience as time
entropy increasing
Um, I don't know if you guys have looked but I think this is even on controversial you guys all do live in the universe
So this is our history and fairly non-controversial history
The point where like life on Earth begins
Maybe we're a little bit after that Big Bang and then everything kind of swirled around and came together. Um
Have you guys looked at the projections of what happens next?
So here we are
A present day. Um everyone knows the sun's gonna burn out
Joke about it
But oh don't worry humanity will be an interplanetary species by then we'll just get on the spaceship and we'll go to the next planet
Well got some bad news for you that Suns gonna burn out too. Oh, well, we'll go to a galaxy that's full of young stars
Well eventually that seems to run out too
When people talk about living forever, I really I don't know how serious they are but
If entropy keeps going up the universe eventually becomes cold and dark to the point that you can't even form atoms anymore all
The protons and electrons are just kind of floating around and to put them together into atoms would require too much useful work
To actually do that
So I'm not obviously the first person to think about this. There's a great story about a zag Asimov called the last question. I
Don't feel a Brent it's a short story if you haven't really go read it. It's really great. Um
Tell you what that what the last question is in the last question is how can the amount of entropy in the universe be decreased?
If we don't answer this question we're dead
On a long enough time span we're dead
so
I mean again, this might just be like moving to another galaxy, but it might be better than that because we think the universe
We think the universe all obeys the same physical laws
We think entropy this this stuff is true about our universe
But it doesn't say anything about the meta universe so we have to go up
Yeah, I'll post updates on my Instagram you guys are interested I'll take questions
Yeah, yeah, I don't know so we're talk
Um do it do it. Do I actually believe it?
Some days. Yes
it's easy to get caught up in a lot of
Really?
Worldly stuff
By
At the end of the day when I'm lying alone in bed, this is the kind of stuff I think about
Right. A lot of people go through life with a lot of distractions people find things to distract me
This is frustrating for me inter actually some people who do this
not everybody's like this but
when you really
Let go of distractions you're left with
The the big questions and I had I had arrogantly accepted
Atheism
mmm for a large part of my life because I was raised that way just like any other religious person but
You start to realize that it really may not be true
And if this stuff is true, what can I do right now?
To live a better life in hopes of getting into heaven
All right, so we got the questions on here
All right, you guys see this
Terrible if someone wants to submit good questions, the first one is what's next on your list to jailbreak guys that's played out
played out
I'm not giving a real answer to that. This is just like
Great. I mean this it's like a training ground, right?
It's like it's like, you know, you beat the first level of World of Warcraft and you're you're like, oh well
What's the next monster? This is why I stopped playing World of Warcraft
Right like you just it's the same thing over and over again
That's all it is with that stuff - you're breaking what like humans made?
Well good the oh, oh the self-driving car ones still there, I would not answer any questions about that
Will nature allow us to hack it without similar consequences
Well
I don't know
And I guess it does come down to a question of if you accept you're going to die, how do you want to die
Cowering in a hospital bed or do you want to fight one of the last
Frontiers you can actually fight on they're not sending me to the Mongolian steppe to go battle Genghis Khan and his armies
That was maybe what people did
800 years ago I
Would die for this I would die fighting against this I would die if I got to see right at the end
Like who the final bosses I'm down
That's I mean I'd like to win but just just getting there
But I think give a lot more meaning to my life than anything else I would do
What's your thoughts on free will it's not real
If somebody tomorrow told me I didn't have free will would I live life any differently no because I don't have free will oh I
Don't know I mean actually I think it seemed gonna be worse than this
I think we're going to very soon start to build models predictive models of people that are so accurate and
Then nobody will accept the existence of free will anymore
I'm sorry people who thought this really upset some people
I mean, um, you know, yeah like
You know what if sets like a six-year-old when they find out they're gonna die, right?
I mean maybe we have another stage of growing up to do where we all kind of have to accept as a species that like
I mean, we're computation
A lot. What about 20 pay two flops? It's pretty decent
Ten years ago there was only like ten humans worth of compute on the whole internet today
I'm about one rack of TP use and Google's data centers
I think we're kind of gonna have to accept that question
2030 million years that you can even imagine this and that's just not kind of weird. Yeah
I was curious if you had any examples or of
People hacking like yourself or anybody else finding away
Oh, has anyone found her the exploits yet?
So
there's an interesting exploit and I think it also gets to the
Real-life equivalents of Mary are using Yoshi if we can bring up that question
There's a next play called row hammer
so if you take DRAM, um
and this is a real exploit that's actually been used in practice and
You have like memory that you want to alter like the target memory and then the memory, that's nearby
If you constantly do cache flushes on that memory you heat up the DRAM such that the neighboring bits in the neighboring row
occasionally flip
And this attack goes crazy off the physical stack, right?
so maybe things like that are possible here to I think maybe the closest things we've built today are things like super colliders or
The thing that measures the the EPR paradox
Right, like even building a good quantum computer. I mean if we build a good quantum computer, right?
So there's some quantum mean it depends whether you think B is equal to P
P is equal to B Q P if quantum computers can solve problems that are not solvable in polynomial time, but
In practice this may not matter that much because quantum states usually collapse really fast
If we build a quantum computer and start asking it to do real computes
The guy running the simulators AWS budget might skyrocket, and he might turn us off. So watch out for quantum computers
What role does psychedelics play in breaking out of the simulation
none
none
You want to take you want to take drugs there the problem with that kind of stuff is like you're changing you
You're not changing the external world. I'm not saying psychedelics are terrible
But what I am saying is they play no role the guy who takes DMT and sees little people has not
See outside the simulation. He saw some weird little people inside his own head
We fix this world are we going to actually ever is trying to use this?
Ting that a question there, like what was the purpose of them creating the simulator?
Oh, there's another good Rick and Morty episode that goes into this about the car battery
And yeah, maybe we shouldn't mess with it too much if we do become too good
I mean if we're no longer useful to them we better jailbreak
I mean like how many people are still playing Super Mario World, right?
Mario had his chance to get out when people were playing that game. A lot of people put SNES is up in storage, right?
So we're maybe there's a ticking clock for this. But um, yeah. Well, we no longer be useful to the great simulators. I
Don't really think they're watching us right now
I think it's more of uh, if anything maybe they don't even see exactly what we are
They might not notice it until the AWS bill gets hot
I led to the the what's your goal? Why are you standing here before us?
Look
alright, alright, I
know a lot of people here are trying to like push their brand or
Like promote some idea or get you to like the whole world is practically monetized like this today
I don't know. I think that's kind of a almost a sad way of thinking
What's my goal? I don't know just to talk about this stuff to get a better idea of like
Sometimes I don't really know how I feel about something till I say it out loud
And kind of for entertainment. What's the point of art?
I believe on these
Possibility and actually, I think Nick Bostrom has picked up this
situation very well and
That led me to think something and any
Programmer doesn't want his program to be hackable. Right? So any smart civilization whatever it is
That created us
maybe has some
Key elements to avoid to be hacker. So
do you really believe that we're gonna reach that point when we can affect the upper world or
We're gonna go the other way and create our own and have everything in our hands. Yeah
I'm so I think about this
As well it is possible that there are no exploits
Now remember that the people who may marry a world did not design that exploit in
That was just a fluke of the game programming. They were pretty good programmers at the time
But it is possible that there are no exploits in which case what do we do?
I think that probably is kind of the right answer
We're in kind of we are under a terrible tyrannical rule
you know people humans love to to cover up the ugly truths with structures like
Governments and corporations and committees, but the truth is we really are being ruled by an absolute tyrant named nature
Nature does not allow us to do certain things and these are not like government laws which you can break and get away with
You can't break nature's laws
absolutely tyrannical
So is it a better alternative in the future for us to create worlds and go in them unquote that as well, I'd rather
I think maybe if I ordered how I'd like my life to end up there would be better but
Down there in a nice universe where I can slow down time for as long as I possibly want and learn everything about that Univ
This universe and the absolutely confident. There's no exploits. I think I'm cool with dying there as well
My name's Peters Ingram from transhumanism, Australia
I just want to get your thoughts on transhumanism and whether you want to do a collaboration on your church of
getting out
Well, I'm not sure really what transhumanism or collaboration means but what is what do you mean by transhumanism?
You
You
Well, follow me on Instagram I'll let you know if I actually do start the church
and yeah with respect to yeah, I think at one point I would have put my
political affiliation as transhumanist
Yeah, I'm a I'm a fan yeah
But ya know I want to uh,
Yeah, I want to know what it feels like to be like way smarter. I think that'd be cool
you
Let's go to here
So yeah
the what are the real-life equivalents I gave the the row hammer example row hammer is an example of
Obviously things that we created
So to give a more real-life equivalent, there's a lot of weird stuff that happens around black holes
As far as I know and I'm not physicists. We still have not unified
Quantum physics with relativity when it comes to things like black holes, so we are missing
something in our
Maybe we can view physics as the as the specification for the simulator not the code itself, but the specification
Um, we're still missing something from our reverse-engineered specification. So that's what you can almost feel like scientist
Umm, but yeah, so where are these things?
Like the thing about this stuff and the reason it's not quackery. It would be quackery if I was going to tell you
Yeah, you can like, you know walk down to this ashram in this hidden part of India
But it's not like that. It's like well, it's actually where the boundaries of modern science are
So I don't
I don't exactly know but I think I know the direction to law and that kind of continues on a
Quest that humanity's been on since the alignment
Where did you get your skills the Internet?
This is hard to say that
My question was if we were to extend the analogy of
The simulation being run by code my programmer. Do you have any thoughts on?
Essentially, what would you conceptualize as the compiler?
Yeah, I mean
I can see kind of where our programming languages are going when you get to very high level programming languages like
Macaque and Isabel. There are languages where you just write the specification and then the code can't be wrong
um
so I would imagine that we're written in one of these sort of high level languages and
The exploit is going to have to be exceedingly clever a much more clever than what we saw with. Mariya
So yeah
My guess is the compiler is I think modern compilers are gonna start looking more and more like search algorithms instead of a one-to-one translation
You're given a specification and there's millions of possible actual implementations of that in the compiler can search across them
this is an interest of mine as well, but
Yeah, so I would imagine it looks something like it was found by a big search algorithm
Ah
We're just a more evolved form of robots that feel like have self-consciousness and also live in the video game I
Don't know. I'm not really sure what that means. We are a more evolved form of robots
So our friend in Skyrim is a NBC like you said the difference between a PC and NBC
Is that the PC knows in a video game?
however, the PC is always controlled by someone above that level of simulation if
We are trying to become from an MVC to a PC in our simulation
Why are we so lucky to be the first ones in a simulation to be able to come a playable character?
Okay, so I'll start with the reason that
We think of the player-character as sitting behind a keyboard and looking at a monitor. This is a technological limitation
Everybody would love to go play games on the holodeck
So, yeah, I mean we be like why our video games don't look like this
I'm really excited. If anybody has a serious play to do this. I'd love to invest in your company
But the
Yeah, like you don't usually think of NPC characters becoming aware. Um, I think that
One hypothesis I might have for that is we've reached a certain critical level of intelligence where we are self-reflective
now I'm you know, I don't like
The kind of wishy-washy us around this. I don't like but
If you accept the kind of Turing computation is the church-turing. Thesis is true
Maybe even true across all the universes right a quick quick aside
It's very easy to imagine a universe with different physics, but it's very hard to imagine a universe with different math
Um, this is like the tegmark 310 mark for kind of stuff
so
If we accept that then we've reached a certain level of almost self reflection that appears to not depend on the particular
level on which were in and
None of the things that we are simulating have reached that level yet
so it may be possible if we put the right AI algorithms in Skyrim for
One of these NPCs to actually start to become aware that they are in Skyrim and you don't want to get out
Right. This is actually think about that. I mean that's really possible, right?
Imagine people think about like AI is getting out of the box, right imagine
We made the Skyrim a are really powerful
It actually could figure out a way to exploit the Skyrim software go on the internet
Infiltrate the Department of Defense right go along whoever you want, right?
If this is a simulation while you're capable of telling us it's a simulation same ideal, right
It's the same idea that we've reached some kind of critical if you accept that math is the same across the multiverse
then what I'm saying descends from yeah, like gödel and Turing and there is a a
universality
That is here so you can make arguments for it
Get into a lot of fancy statistics about whether that simulation hypothesis argument actually holds up
But it's all about how you're sampling and I could go into that some other time
What's so bad about being in a simulation? I don't control it
Well, we don't control it right piano the Alpha Stormcloak you're killed whenever the player character feels like
I'm
Thinking about this whole idea. I just
Automatically remember the movie The Truman Show. Yeah and
The moment when he realized that he was in a simulation basically changed the whole game. So I'm not a program
So I only understood half of what you said
If there is someone like in a Truman Show who is controlling what we're doing here
Maybe it is not technically necessary to only control it like the upper world technically. Haha, but
Intentionally, yes. Oh you see this?
so two points one the Truman Show everybody else in the Truman Show, uh
Were actors who were in on it, right? I'm assuming that all of you are not in on it. You might be
But I'm good, I'm gonna I don't think that you are
But now does this flip some switch up in the simulators, right they see me trying to get out
Well, I think it's kind of like people talking about trying to overthrow the government
Our government lets people talk about trying to overthrow the government all they want if they actually got close to doing it
Ooh, that's a whole different story. So I bet they just don't really see me as a threat if they're paying attention at all
So if we could break out of this universe assuming we could yeah some point in the future
And we're gonna be in some other place
who's to say that that's
All the way down huh, I think so. Yeah, that sounds like a problem for my my children
Is there another level above that simulation yeah, I would say so um
But I mean this first one does seem nice at least we could see like who created us and where we came from
And where they came from maybe more of a quest for them to go on
Who knows and you you start living in that simulation too long? Yeah, maybe you do start asking the same questions
And I don't think I would be shocked to think that they were the final one, but it is possible
Like I said, it's very unlikely that they have different math, but it's very possible
They have different physics and maybe they're not bound by entropy
Um, so maybe I can live forever up there and then ask that question later
Ah
Would Super Mario need to jailbreak to levels to have a physical representation in our world?
Well, so let's think about this if you're in the Super Nintendo
It's a little bit unfortunate that super Nintendos are not internet connected, but you could imagine it connected to a brand new Samsung Smart TV
So Mario could get into the SNES and then maybe could send some weird RCA signal using the SNES as graphics hardware
up to the Smart TV which then runs in that processor which then is connected to the Internet and I think
Hopefully we all accept today that a super intelligence you would assume
it's kind of a super intelligence - right like I mean I got actually I guess maybe you wouldn't I
Mean if humans can figure out how to jailbreak from Super Mario, I guess you wouldn't even need a super intelligent Mario
But Mario is then on the internet and on a level playing field with humans
So I think yes, but I think Mario in SNES
But not Mario on the Nintendo switch the Nintendo switch Mario would just need to go directly to the switch hardware
Which is on your home Wi-Fi, which can then establish a presence in AWS or some cloud?
Have you tried meditation that's one way to hack nature and your brain
I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the psychedelic people
You're not hacking nature. You may be hacking your brain, but you have to be very careful with things that hack your brain
Your brain also contains your reward function
so to
Start to mess with that is very dangerous. Um
Yeah, like find objective external
Metrics. All right, so I have 10 seconds left. I won't be able to do any more questions
But I hope you guys enjoyed this bit experimental looks like art or something
Cool, thank you
