>>> ON THIS BREAKING STORY,
>>> ON THIS BREAKING STORY, WE’RE BACK WITH A SPECIAL GUEST
WE’RE BACK WITH A SPECIAL GUEST AND OUR HEADLINER IN OUR
AND OUR HEADLINER IN OUR RECURRING OPENING SERIES.
RECURRING OPENING SERIES. HE HAS ARGUED DOZENS OF CASES
HE HAS ARGUED DOZENS OF CASES WITH THE SUPREME COURT AND AN
WITH THE SUPREME COURT AND AN ANALYST WITH MSNBC.
ANALYST WITH MSNBC. GOOD EVENING, SIR.
GOOD EVENING, SIR. >> GOOD EVENING.
>> GOOD EVENING. >> NEIL, HE KNOW YOU HEARD PART
>> NEIL, HE KNOW YOU HEARD PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD
OF THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD IN THE EARLY BLOCK.
IN THE EARLY BLOCK. IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WHERE I WAS
IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WHERE I WAS AT A LOSS FOR WORDS.
AT A LOSS FOR WORDS. BEFORE I GET INTO ANY OF MY
BEFORE I GET INTO ANY OF MY PREPARED QUESTIONS FOR YOU, I
PREPARED QUESTIONS FOR YOU, I HAVE SOME, YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALL
HAVE SOME, YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALL THIS.
THIS. THIS STORY.
THIS STORY. >> YES.
>> YES. I HEARD HER TALK ABOUT HOW HER
I HEARD HER TALK ABOUT HOW HER STUDENTS WERE SO DISHEARTENED.
STUDENTS WERE SO DISHEARTENED. TRUMP SEEMS THE GET AWAY WITH
TRUMP SEEMS THE GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING AND I UNDERSTAND THIS
EVERYTHING AND I UNDERSTAND THIS SENTIMENT.
SENTIMENT. I REALLY WANT TO PUSH BACK
I REALLY WANT TO PUSH BACK AGAINST IT.
AGAINST IT. I THINK THIS COUNTRY HAS A
I THINK THIS COUNTRY HAS A ROBUST TRADITION OF LAW.
ROBUST TRADITION OF LAW. AND YES, THE PRESIDENT HAS
AND YES, THE PRESIDENT HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH SO MUCH.
GOTTEN AWAY WITH SO MUCH. BUT I HAVE NEWS FOR HIM.
BUT I HAVE NEWS FOR HIM. THE LAW WILL COME AFTER HIM.
THE LAW WILL COME AFTER HIM. WHAT HE IS DOING IS LAWLESS.
WHAT HE IS DOING IS LAWLESS. IT IS UNPRECEDENTED.
IT IS UNPRECEDENTED. IT BREAKS EVERY RULE IN OUR
IT BREAKS EVERY RULE IN OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY AND THE
CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY AND THE LAW WILL FINDS A WAY TO CATCH UP
LAW WILL FINDS A WAY TO CATCH UP WITH HIM.
WITH HIM. HE CAN PARDON HIS MAR-A-LAGO
HE CAN PARDON HIS MAR-A-LAGO FRIENDS AND PARDON HIS CAMPAIGN
FRIENDS AND PARDON HIS CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS, AND THIS OR THAT.
CONTRIBUTORS, AND THIS OR THAT. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, OUR SYSTEM
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, OUR SYSTEM ROBUST ENOUGH BETWEEN THE PRESS
ROBUST ENOUGH BETWEEN THE PRESS AND THE COURTS TO BRING HIM AND
AND THE COURTS TO BRING HIM AND HIS ILG TO JUSTICE.
HIS ILG TO JUSTICE. AND IT WILL HAPPEN.
AND IT WILL HAPPEN. WHEN, I REALLY DON’T WANT
WHEN, I REALLY DON’T WANT PEOPLE, I GET WHAT PROFESSOR
PEOPLE, I GET WHAT PROFESSOR MURRAY IS SAYING BUT I REALLY
MURRAY IS SAYING BUT I REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS STILL A LOT OUT THERE
THERE IS STILL A LOT OUT THERE AND A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE
AND A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE WEST SHOULDN’T GIVE UP.
WEST SHOULDN’T GIVE UP. THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT AT ITS
THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT AT ITS BASE IS ALL ABOUT A SYSTEM OF
BASE IS ALL ABOUT A SYSTEM OF LAWS, WE’RE A GOVERNMENT OF
LAWS, WE’RE A GOVERNMENT OF LAWS, NOT OF MEN TO USE THE
LAWS, NOT OF MEN TO USE THE CONSTITUTION OF 1780.
CONSTITUTION OF 1780. >> IT IS STRIKING TO HEAR YOU
>> IT IS STRIKING TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT.
SAY THAT. THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION
THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION POURING OVER.
POURING OVER. MORE THAN ONE VIEW ABOUT WHAT
MORE THAN ONE VIEW ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS.
THIS MEANS. AND WHETHER IT MEANS THE
AND WHETHER IT MEANS THE PRESIDENT CAN TECHNICALLY DO
PRESIDENT CAN TECHNICALLY DO SOMETHING AND THEN THE QUESTION
SOMETHING AND THEN THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT, IN CONCERT WITH
OF WHETHER IT, IN CONCERT WITH ANOTHER PATTERN, IS A POTENTIAL
ANOTHER PATTERN, IS A POTENTIAL ABUSE OF POWER IN ITSELF WHOOX
ABUSE OF POWER IN ITSELF WHOOX MEDDLING IS GOING ON AND HOW IT
MEDDLING IS GOING ON AND HOW IT WILL BE INVESTIGATED BY THE
WILL BE INVESTIGATED BY THE CO-EQUAL BRANCH, WHETHER OR NOT
CO-EQUAL BRANCH, WHETHER OR NOT THE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IS OVER.
THE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IS OVER. MR. BARR WILL BE HEADED IN TO
MR. BARR WILL BE HEADED IN TO FACE CONGRESS.
FACE CONGRESS. HE WAS CLEARLY MOVED TO SOME
HE WAS CLEARLY MOVED TO SOME DEGREE BY THE PUBLIC CRITICISM
DEGREE BY THE PUBLIC CRITICISM OF EXPERTS AND DOJ VETERANS LIKE
OF EXPERTS AND DOJ VETERANS LIKE YOURSELF.
YOURSELF. AT A TIME WHEN WE OFTEN FOCUS ON
AT A TIME WHEN WE OFTEN FOCUS ON THE WASHINGTON PART OF THE
THE WASHINGTON PART OF THE STORY.
STORY. MR. BLAGOJEVICH WAS GOVERNOR TO
MR. BLAGOJEVICH WAS GOVERNOR TO THIS PARDON TODAY.
THIS PARDON TODAY. TAKE LISTEN.
TAKE LISTEN. >> I SAW A GOVERNOR WHO WAS
>> I SAW A GOVERNOR WHO WAS ROGUE ON ON STEROIDS.
ROGUE ON ON STEROIDS. HE DIDN’T CARE ABOUT THE STATE
HE DIDN’T CARE ABOUT THE STATE OF ILLINOIS.
OF ILLINOIS. HE CARED ABOUT HIS OWN AMBITION.
HE CARED ABOUT HIS OWN AMBITION. IT IS JUST BECAUSE THE CELEBRITY
IT IS JUST BECAUSE THE CELEBRITY OF ROB BLAGOJEVICH WHICH HE IS
OF ROB BLAGOJEVICH WHICH HE IS GETTING THIS TIME OF RELIEF AND
GETTING THIS TIME OF RELIEF AND I THINK IT WRONG AND IT SAENLDSE
I THINK IT WRONG AND IT SAENLDSE BAD MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE THAT
BAD MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO PAY YOUR DEBT
YOU DON’T HAVE TO PAY YOUR DEBT TO SOCIETY.
TO SOCIETY. >> THAT’S ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN
>> THAT’S ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN LEADERS OF THE HOUSE, A CREDIT
LEADERS OF THE HOUSE, A CREDIT TO HIM FOR SPEAKING HIS MIND
TO HIM FOR SPEAKING HIS MIND AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. YOUR REACTION.
YOUR REACTION. >> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. THAT’S THE KIND OF BEAUTIFUL
THAT’S THE KIND OF BEAUTIFUL SENTIMENT THAT AMERICANS HAVE.
SENTIMENT THAT AMERICANS HAVE. THE SIMPLE IDEA THAT JUSTICE IS
THE SIMPLE IDEA THAT JUSTICE IS BLIND.
BLIND. LITERALLY, LADY JUSTICE IS A
LITERALLY, LADY JUSTICE IS A BLIND FOLDED INDIVIDUAL IN THE
BLIND FOLDED INDIVIDUAL IN THE STATUTES.
STATUTES. AND YOU SHOULDN’T GET OUT OF
AND YOU SHOULDN’T GET OUT OF JAIL BECAUSE YOU’RE THE
JAIL BECAUSE YOU’RE THE PRESIDENT’S FRIEND OR YOU MET
PRESIDENT’S FRIEND OR YOU MET HIM AT THE COUNTRY CLUB OUR GAVE
HIM AT THE COUNTRY CLUB OUR GAVE HIM A CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION.
HIM A CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION. CONVERSELY, YOU SHOULDN’T PUT
CONVERSELY, YOU SHOULDN’T PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL AND THROW BOOK AT
PEOPLE IN JAIL AND THROW BOOK AT THEM AS THE PRESIDENT HAS TRIED
THEM AS THE PRESIDENT HAS TRIED TO DO, OR CALL FOR PROSECUTION,
TO DO, OR CALL FOR PROSECUTION, SILL REPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE
SILL REPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT POLITICS THAN YOU.
DIFFERENT POLITICS THAN YOU. HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE
HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
PRESIDENT OF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. I WANT TO COMMEND THAT
I WANT TO COMMEND THAT REPUBLICAN AND THAT’S OF OTHERS
REPUBLICAN AND THAT’S OF OTHERS LIKE HIM.
LIKE HIM. BECAUSE THIS IS NOW A WAR FOR
BECAUSE THIS IS NOW A WAR FOR THE HEART AND SOUL OF WHAT
THE HEART AND SOUL OF WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT.
AMERICA IS ABOUT. DO WE BELIEVE WE’RE A SYSTEM OF
DO WE BELIEVE WE’RE A SYSTEM OF LAWS?
LAWS? OR DO WE BELIEVE THIS PRESIDENT
OR DO WE BELIEVE THIS PRESIDENT CAN JUST DO WHAT HE WANTS
CAN JUST DO WHAT HE WANTS BECAUSE HE HAPPENS TO BE GOOD
BECAUSE HE HAPPENS TO BE GOOD FOR THE STOCK MARKET OR
