
Chinese: 
翻译人员: Jinni Zou
校对人员: Yanyan Hong
丹 · 戴蒙德：
我们经历了一些奇怪的日子。
飓风卡翠那很疯狂——
你知道，会议中心的医疗分诊组
是我做过最疯狂的事情。
但是这次的不同之处在于
这次压力山大。
你知道，当我们为全球的灾难部署的时候，
不管在海地或者菲律宾，
不管是飓风卡翠那还是其他的，
我知道我总能安然无恙地回家
但是现在，我们无处可藏。
但是现在是全球疫情，
这影响了地球上的每一个人。
我们需要记住重要的一点，
我们并不是一个人在战斗，
而是共同奋战。
菲尔 · 克莱因：是的，
你在过去几周看到了什么？

English: 
Transcriber: Eunice Tan
Reviewer: Tanya Cushman
Dan Diamond: These are some
weird days we're living in.
Katrina was crazy -
you know, the medical triage unit
at the convention center
was the wildest thing I've ever done.
But this one's different;
this one's overwhelming.
You know, when we deploy
to disasters around the world,
whether it's Haiti or the Philippines
or Katrina or wherever,
I know I can always come home
and it's all good.
But now there's nowhere to hide, you know.
And this is a global pandemic
that's affecting everybody on the planet.
And it's important to remember
that we are not going through this alone;
we're going through it with everybody.
Phil Klein: And yeah - and so,
what have you been seeing
in the last couple weeks, last few weeks,

English: 
as people are experiencing this?
What has it been looking like
from your perspective?
DD: No, I - let me just
tell you a personal story.
It's like two weeks ago,
probably three o'clock in the morning,
I found myself sitting
on the edge of my bed, going,
"What in the world am I going to do?"
Then I had this interesting conversation,
like, you know, "Am I going to die?
This isn't any good; this is horrible.
This is the worst thing
that's ever happened to mankind."
And then I got into
this conversation with myself of
"Diamond, jiminy. You're a disaster doc.
You need to buck up, be tougher."
And then I remembered
that when it comes to self-compassion,
there's three steps.
First is to realize that you're suffering
or that you're afraid.
So I sat there, and I thought,
"Wow, man, you are really struggling
with this one, aren't you?"
And I think, "Yeah, yeah."
I had this little
conversation with myself.
And then the second thing
is to show up with kindness.
And so I'm sitting there, saying,

Chinese: 
当人们正在经历疫情的时候，
从你的角度而言，你怎么看？
丹 · 戴蒙德：
让我给你讲一个我的故事吧。
大约是两周前，凌晨三点的时候，
我发现我坐在床边，思考着，
“在这个世界上我该去做些什么？”
然后有了这个有趣的对话，
你知道，就像 “我会死吗？
这一点都不好，这太糟糕了。
这是有史以来发生在
人类身上最糟糕的事情。”
然后，我开始自言自语，
“戴蒙德，你是一个灾难医生。
你要振作起来，你要坚强起来。”
然后我想起，
每当谈到自我关怀的时候，
有三步要点：
第一步是要意识到
你在受苦，或你在害怕。
所以我坐在那，思考着，
“嘿朋友，你正在
和这件事作斗争，不是吗？”
然后我想，“是的，是的。”
我和我自己
有了这样一段小小的对话。
然后第二点，是要有善意。
所以我坐在那，说，

English: 
"Well, yeah, this is a tough one.
I can understand why you'd be afraid."
The third thing is to realize
that you're not alone -
we're going through this
with lots of people.
So I sat there, and I thought,
"I wonder how many thousands of people
are sitting here
on the edge of their bed, going,
'What in the world am I going to do?'"
And I thought,
"We're in this together.
We're going to get through this.
It is scary.
But I'm going to be kind to myself
and go back to sleep."
And I was able to lay back down
and finally get to sleep.
But, you know, I'm sleeping
a little bit better this week.
Frankly, I'm on day three
of a "news-batical" -
decided to quit watching the news
for three or four days
and just focus on taking care of myself
and getting my focus
back in the right spot
and being positive.
And then I'll go back
to the news tomorrow.
PK: Yeah, so you're not immune
to having some of the same symptoms
a lot of us are having
about anxiety and so on.
DD: I think we all have it.

Chinese: 
“没错，这是一个艰难的事情。
我可以理解你为什么害怕。”
第三点是要意识到，
你不是一个人在战斗，
我们正在和大家一起经历这件事。
我坐在那，想着，
“我不知道会有多少人，
会坐在床边思考，
‘在这个世界上我要做什么？’ ”
然后我想，
“我们此刻是在一起的。
这些终将过去。
它的确是可怕的。
但我会善待我自己，
然后继续睡觉。”
我又能躺下来继续睡觉了。
但是你知道，
这周我可以睡得更好了。
说实话，我正在 “杜绝看新闻” 计划的第三天，
我决定三到四天不看新闻，
只关注于怎么照顾我自己，
然后将我的注意力回到这些事情上，
并积极地去看待。
我将在明天继续关注这些新闻。
菲尔 · 克莱因：所以你并没有免于
和我们很多人一样焦虑的症状。
丹 · 戴蒙德：
我认为我们都有这些。

Chinese: 
菲尔 · 克莱因：
也许在某些方面你会发现
关于这些经历
你也有灾难性的思考，
而且不止数千人，甚至上百万人，
每天都在经历这些。
你怎么看待这个问题，
事情变得原来越糟，
可我们却无能为力。
这是你所听到和经历的事情吗？
你是怎么谈论并且经历这些事情的？
丹 · 戴蒙德：
我经历了飓风卡翠那之后，
问了我自己一个问题，
这改变了我的生活，
这个问题值得我们每一个人思考，
“为什么有一些人没有变成受害者？”
所以——我前后摇摆不定，
我相信其他人也一样。
有时候，我想，“太棒了，我们做到了。”
有时候，我想，“我该做什么？

English: 
PK: And maybe in some ways,
you find yourself also
with a bit of your own
catastrophic thinking
around this kind of an experience.
And it's probably not even thousands
but millions of people
are, you know, experiencing this
on a daily basis.
You know, what do you say to the question
of how this seems to be getting worse
and worse and worse and worse
and it feels like we're powerless?
Is that something
you're hearing from people
and you're experiencing?
And how do you move that conversation
or experience it?
DD: You know, I came back from Katrina
asking myself a question
that changed my life -
and it's a great question
for us to ponder -
that is "Why is it that some
of these people don't become victims?"
So -
and I vacillate back and forth,
as I'm sure everybody else does.
Some days, I'm like,
"Hey, this is good; we got this."
And some days, I'm like,
"What am I going to do?

Chinese: 
我不想失去和我亲近的人。”
所以你会来回反复思考。
但我意识到，
我们需要去选择面对的方向，
所以我经历了飓风卡翠那之后，
问了我自己这个问题，
为什么有一些人没有变成受害者？
我发现有些人
虽然他们失去了房子，失去了汽车，
失去了所有的衣服，
他们大概五天都穿着同一件衣服，
有些人失去了他们的家人，
但他们仍然没有变成受害者。
我想知道他们是怎么想的。
因为我坐在灾难的中心，想着
“我不知道如果我失去了我的物品，
我是否会继续在这，
是否会继续工作，
是否会继续给予他人帮助，
或者我只是坐在路边
哭着说我失去了我的手机。”
我想说你不知道你会怎么办
直到你真正经历了这件事。
我开始学习，这些人
是怎么不让自己变成受害者的，

English: 
I don't want to lose
the people that are close to me."
And so you kind of go back and forth.
But realizing that we get to choose
which direction we face so that -
When I came back from Katrina,
asking this question
of why is it that some of these people
don't become victims,
what I found is that some of these people,
even though they lost
their homes, their cars,
they lost all their clothes -
they'd been in the same clothes
for, like, five days -
and some of them
had lost their family members,
and they still did not become victims.
I wanted to understand how they think.
Because I sat there
in the middle of this disaster, going,
"I don't know if I lost my stuff
if I would stay involved,
if I'd stay engaged,
if I'd continued to support other people
or if I'd just sit on the curb
and cry that I lost my cell phone."
You know, I mean, you don't really know
until you go through it.
But I began to study how it is
that some people don't become victims,

Chinese: 
我发现了对我来说是颠覆性的东西，
是真正颠覆性的。
让我来告诉你，
我能给你看一个模型吗？
菲尔 · 克莱因：当然，当然。
我马上给你看一下。
这涵盖了飓风卡翠那之后
我发现的本质。
有两个方面：能力和目的。
纵轴代表了能力从强大到弱小，
横轴代表了目的，
是给予还是夺取。
这并不是四种不同的人，
这点很重要。
这个模型并不能作为
指向某些人的工具，
而是可以看到内在
并且认识到你的内心在哪的模型。
我的目标是成为一个奋斗者，
我认为 “我有做大事能力。
这不是关于我，
我不在乎谁得到了荣誉。”
但我最喜欢的是当我面对压力时，
我喜欢移动到受害者模式。

English: 
and what I discovered
was game-changing for me.
It was really game-changing.
So let me show you -
can I show you a quick model?
PK: Yeah, sure. Yeah.
So, just zip over here and show you this.
This kind of captures the essence
of what I figured out after Katrina.
There's two dimensions to this:
there's power and there's purpose.
And the vertical axis there
is the powerful and the powerless,
and the horizontal is the purpose,
which are the givers and the takers.
And this is not four
different types of people -
and this is really important.
This model is not a tool
so you can point at people;
this is a model for taking a look
at inside and where you are.
And my goal is I want to be a thriver.
I want to say, "I have the power
to make a difference.
It's not about me, and I don't care
who gets the credit."
But my favorite one to go to
when I'm under pressure
is I like to slide down
into the victim mode.

English: 
It's delicious.
Because if I am in the victim mode,
I can say, "Oh man,
I'm really having a tough time,"
and you'll feel sorry for me.
Normally, you might give me a hug,
but, you know, maybe you'll send me a note
or reach out to me or something and then -
Or at home, I could say,
"I just don't feel very good today,"
and my wife will say,
"Well, honey, I'll clean up the kitchen.
You go ahead and sit down
on the couch, take a break."
So I can manipulate
by sliding into this victim mindset.
The controller mindset -
these were people shooting
at rescue people
in New Orleans after Katrina.
Doesn't make any sense.
Why would you shoot at the people
you're dependent upon for your rescue?
But I've done this too.
I don't shoot bullets at people;
I shoot emails or I shoot comments
or - you know, you can ask my kids -
I shoot looks ...
because I have the power
and it's all about me.
Sometimes, I'm the bystander.
I just disengage and go,
"Well, there's nothing I can do."
This virus is tiny, but it's big.

Chinese: 
这是非常有诱惑的。
因为当我在受害者模式中，
我可以说，“天哪，我现在的处境太难了。”
然后你会对我感到同情。
通常你会给我一个拥抱，
但也许你会发来安慰的话，
或者给我帮助，或者其他的什么，
在家的时候，我可以说，
“我今天不太舒服。”
然后我妻子会说
“亲爱的，我来打扫厨房。
你去沙发上坐着休息一下吧。”
所以我可以用受害者的心态来操纵。
控制者的心态，
是在新奥尔良州，飓风卡翠那之后，
有人向救援人员开枪。
这完全说不通。
你为什么要向救你的人开枪？
但我也做过这样的事。
我没有向人们发射子弹，
我发邮件或是评论，
你可以问我的孩子，
我就像......
因为我有这个权利，
这都是为了我自己。
有时候，我是旁观者。
我只是走开，说 “我什么都做不了。”
病毒非常小，但是影响巨大。

English: 
You know, what can I do?
Then I just kind of sit there with doubt
and stay on the sidelines.
But my goal is I want to live
in that upper-right quadrant,
to say, "I have the power
to make a difference.
It's not about me, and I don't care
who gets the credit."
That's a fulfilling mindset.
My biggest concern
is that we're going to have
a double disaster.
The virus is bad enough -
the virus is going to do
what it's going to do.
We can impact its impact
by social distancing and doing all that,
and I think here in Washington State,
we've really kind of flattened
our curve pretty well so far.
But there's this potential
for a second disaster,
and that's my internal one.
How do I respond?
Do I get angry with people around?
Do I become a victim
and manipulate people?
Do I just kick myself to the curb
and become a bystander?
Or do I lean into this and go,
"Ah, this is an opportunity;
it's a new opportunity.
How can I make a difference
in the lives of other people?"
You know, I think those are the questions.

Chinese: 
我又能做什么呢？
然后我只是带着怀疑，
坐在那袖手旁观。
但我的目标是成为右上角的那种人，
可以说 “我有做大事的能力。
这不是关于我，
我不在乎谁得到了荣誉。”
这是一种充实的心态。
我最大的担心
是我们将面临双重灾害。
病毒已经够糟的了，
病毒会有它自身带来的影响。
我们可以通过保持社交距离
来减轻这个影响，
我认为在华盛顿州，
我们已经很好的减缓了疫情增曲线。
但还可能有第二个灾难，
是在我心里的。
我该怎么应对？
对周围的人发脾气？
变成受害者然后操控别人？
或者只是站在一旁做一个旁观者？
或者直面它，
“这是一个机会，一个新的机会。
我该怎么挽救别人的生命？”
我认为这就是问题。

English: 
I continually ask myself two questions:
Am I going to be powerful or powerless?
Am I going to be a giver or a taker?
How am I going to show up?
And then pay attention to the internal
conversation that's going on
until I learn to recognize
these different mindsets that I use.
PK: You know, it seems like many of us
are in that victim state.
I mean, we aren't the ones
making the decision about staying at home;
that's being made by the government.
And it feels like the virus
is dictating a lot of the terms.
What are you hearing from other people
in the work that you're doing now
about how they're relating to it?
And what's the spectrum of ways
that they're addressing it?
And what are you seeing there?
DD: Well, there's anything from people
that are furious with the government
for locking everything down -
which, by the way,
I think is the right thing to do.
As a healthcare person,
I can tell you we're getting to capacity
and several hospitals
are already beyond capacity.

Chinese: 
我反复问我自己两个问题：
我是强大还是弱小？
我要做一个给予者还是掠夺者？
我将会怎么表现？
然后关注自己内心的对话
直到意识到我所用的不同的心态。
菲尔 · 克莱因：
我们许多人看起来都处于受害者心态。
居家隔离不是我们做的决定，
而是政府。
看起来病毒决定了很多规定。
在工作中，你从别人那听到了什么？
关于他们所受到的影响。
他们又是用什么方式去解决的？
你在这看到什么？
丹 · 戴蒙德：有些人
对政府封闭一切的决定表示愤怒，
顺便说一句，
我认为政府的决定是正确的。
作为一个医疗工作者，
我可以告诉你，我们已经到达了极限，
许多医院已经超负荷运转。

Chinese: 
所以如果我们压垮了整个系统，
我们将不能再救助人们，
我们将失去他们。
保持社交距离是有意义的。
但是有人进入愤怒模式，
有人说，
“我们又能怎么影响他人的生命呢？”
这太糟了。
再次回到这个问题，
你想要双重灾难还是一个灾难？
我选择一个灾难。
病毒已经够糟糕了。
我不想要另一个灾难，
我希望能做出一些改变。
在台风海燕之后，
我在菲律宾和市长罗穆亚尔德斯聊天，
他说：
这让我心有余悸，
他说他把所有的遇难者都聚集起来，
然后他说，
“你的孙子孙女会问你，
你会在什么时候给他们讲这个故事，
‘所以，你会怎么做？’ ”
这也是我问自己的问题。
当我们度过难关之后，
我们将会回过头来看这件事。
我想在这期间好好的生活。

English: 
And so if we overwhelm the system,
we won't be able to take care of people
and we'll lose people.
So it makes sense to do
this social distancing thing.
But there are people 
that go into anger mode,
and then there are people that say,
"Ah, well, what could I do
to impact the lives of other people?"
Absolutely horrible.
But again, do you want
a double disaster or a single?
I'll take a single.
The virus is bad enough.
I don't want to be another disaster;
I want to make a difference.
When I talked to Mayor Romualdez
in the Philippines, after Typhoon Yolanda,
he said -
and, man, this just haunts me -
he said he got all
of these people together
after they got
just decimated by this thing,
and he said,
"Your grandchildren are going to ask you,
when you tell them this story,
'So, what did you do?'"
And that's the question I'm asking myself.
I go, when I get through this,
we're going to look back on this.
I want to live well during this time.

English: 
I don't want to, you know,
take a deep dive into victimhood
or be a bystander or be a controller.
I want to show up as a thriver
and be creative
and put my head together with other people
and try to come up with some ways
to make a positive difference
in the world during this time
so we can look back on it
and tell our grandchildren,
"Oh yeah, it was really tough.
But here's some
really cool stuff that we did."
PK: What roles do leaders play
and how have you been seeing them
respond in relation to this so far?
DD: I've been doing
these virtual workshops -
not webinars.
Webinars are talking head.
Workshops - people are
rolling up their sleeves,
and I'm putting them in breakout rooms
and choreographing conversations
and moving people in and out
of the different conversations.
My perspective as a leader -
I would define a leader
as somebody that has influence.
It's not an org chart.
Sometimes, some of the greatest leaders

Chinese: 
我不想悲观地成为一个受害者，
亦或是成为旁观者或控制者。
我想成为一个有创造力的奋斗者，
和其他人一起思考，
去发现能给世界带来积极影响的方式，
所以我们能够回顾这件事，
告诉我们的后代们，
“当然，这是很困难的。
但是我们做了一些很酷的事。”
菲尔 · 克莱因：
你认为领导者扮演着什么角色？
你认为他们至今是怎么对待这件事的？
丹 · 戴蒙德：
我正在做这些虚拟研讨会，
而不是网络研讨会。
网络研讨会只是我的特写镜头，
而在研讨会，人们卷起袖子，
我把他们安排在休息室里，安排谈话，
让人们参与不同的谈话。
我作为领导者的观点，
我认为领导者是有影响力的人。
而不只是组织结构图。
有时候，最伟大的领导者

Chinese: 
像是和我一起工作的我的医疗助理，
布兰登 · 格金（Brandon Gherkin）。
他很优秀！
我早上来工作时，他会说，
“你好，戴蒙德，我能做什么
去让你今天的生活更美好呢？”
是的！谁不想和这样的人一起工作呢？
所以我认为，作为一个领导者，
我在灾难中的工作，
不管是飓风卡翠那
还是在海地亦或是其他的，
我的主要目标之一
是确保我的团队
正朝着正确的方向努力。
我们通过有意义的讨论来做到这一点。
这是有生命的。
当我们在看新闻的时候，
这并没有能够促进谈话。
但是你知道，有个问题需要思考，
举个例子。
在过去的七至十天，
你在什么地方看见了
或者感受到了善意？
在家里吗？
和同事在一起？

English: 
are people like my medical assistant
that I used to work with, Brandon Gherkin.
Great guy!
I'd come in in the morning; he'd say,
"Hey, Diamond, what can I do
to make your life great today?"
Yeah! Who doesn't want to work
with somebody like that?
So I think, as a leader,
my job when I'm in disasters -
whether it's Katrina
or Haiti or wherever -
one of my main goals
is to make sure that my team
is looking in the right direction.
And we do that by facilitating
great conversations.
And it is so life-giving to do that.
When we're watching the news,
it doesn't really facilitate
great conversations.
But, you know,
here's a question to ponder,
just as an example.
In the last seven to ten days,
where have you seen
or experienced kindness?
In your family?
With your co-workers?

Chinese: 
在网上？
电视上？
你在哪感受到了善意？
当我们开始问这个问题，
大多数人会站的更直，
深呼吸，
带着一点微笑，
大脑快速运转，
“好吧，让我给你讲一个故事。
我看见这件事发生了。”
我们该怎么利用这些去向前发展呢？
这是一个更好的谈话，
一个有生命力的谈话。
当你改变谈话时，
这几乎就像给沙漠中的人一杯水，
你要如何去茁壮成长，
而不只是存活？
给我一个你在过去七到十天
看到的善意的例子。
在晚餐时和你的家人一起谈论。
这是一个很好的谈话。
菲尔 · 克莱因：另一方面，
人们可能会说，“噢，这不现实。”
或者 “在如此困难的时候

English: 
Online?
On TV?
Where have you experienced kindness?
As soon as we start asking
a question like that,
most people will stand up
a little bit straighter,
they take a deeper breath,
they get a little bit of a smile,
their brain goes,
"Oh yeah, let me tell you a story.
I saw this thing that happened."
How can we use those things
to move forward?
It's a better conversation,
and it's a life-giving conversation.
It's almost like giving a glass of water
to somebody in the desert
when you change the conversation:
instead of how are you going to survive,
how are you going to thrive?
Give me an example of kindness
you've seen in the last seven to ten days.
Kick that one around
with your family at the dinner table.
It's a great conversation.
PK: On the one hand,
people might say,
"Oh, you're being unrealistic,"
or "It's naive or Pollyanna
to think about the positive

Chinese: 
去想积极的一面
太天真或者盲目乐观了。”
你会怎么回应？
然后，你怎么看待人们有意义地向前，
现实地看待事物，
但仍在向前迈进？
他们在朝着什么方向前进？
你看到了什么？
丹 · 戴蒙德：
是的，这是一个很好的问题。
所以我是盲目乐观的吗？
当然不是，我是一个灾难医生。
你知道，在我的职业生涯中
我见到过疯狂的事情。
在海地的救援
是我做过最痛苦的事情。
再从海地回来之后，
我大概有三到四个月都很伤心。
我理解什么是痛苦；
我理解什么时候事情开始变得糟糕，
以及这是怎么样的。
现在的情况是糟糕的，
它还会变得更糟。
所以我并没有否认这一点。
让我告诉你一个例子，
我想分享给你一个小故事，
关于大脑是怎么工作的。
这也许会有帮助。

English: 
at a time when things are so hard."
How do you respond to that?
And then, how do you see people,
you know, meaningfully going forward
and, you know,
realistically looking at things
and yet still stepping forward?
What are they stepping forward towards?
What kinds of things are you seeing?
DD: Yeah, that's a superb question.
So am I being Pollyanna?
Heck, no, I'm a disaster doc.
You know, I mean, I have seen
crazy stuff in my career.
Haiti was the most painful thing
I've ever done.
I spent probably three or four months
after I came back weeping,
after Haiti.
I mean, I understand what pain is;
I understand when it gets bad,
what it looks like.
This is bad now;
this is going to get worse.
So I'm not dismissing that.
Let me give you an example of -
I want to just share with you,
show you a little story
about how the brain works.
And this might be helpful.

English: 
So let me just zip over here
and show you this slide.
[Words Drive Emotion]
And this is based on some research
that was done by a woman
named Barbara Fredrickson.
She has a theory
called "broaden-and-build."
And what she says
is that these internal conversations
that we have impact our emotions,
and our emotions
have a huge impact on our brain.
So if you have positive emotions going on,
even in the midst of difficult times -
I'm not saying it's not difficult -
but if I can find things to celebrate
in the midst of this difficult time,
it's like sticking a wide-angle lens
on the prefrontal cortex.
That's this part of your brain
that's right behind your forehead.
This is where you have
the executive functioning
and problem-solving skills;
this is where all that stuff processes.
This will give me
a wide-angle lens on that part
so I can see both ways
down the street at the same time
and I can take different parts,
bring them together, and say,
"I've got an idea - we could do this,"

Chinese: 
所以让我直接给你看这个页面。
[语言驱动情感]
这是基于一位名叫
芭芭拉 · 弗雷德里克森的女性的研究。
她提出了 “拓展-建构” 理论。
她提出
我们内心的思维会影响我们的情绪，
我们的情绪对大脑有着巨大的影响。
所以如果你有着持续的乐观情绪，
尽管在困境当中，
我并不是说这不困难，
但如果我们可以发现
在困境中值得庆祝的事情，
就像在前额叶皮质贴一个广角镜头，
这部分大脑就在你额头后面，
它让你具备行动力
和解决问题的能力，
所有的事物都在这里处理。
就像给我一个广角镜头来看这部分，
我能在同一时间看到街道的两边，
我可以把不同的部分组合起来，说：
“我有一个主意，我们可以这样做。”

Chinese: 
所以我可以完成这个工作。
这对我来说很重要，
当我进入灾区时，那里没有设备，
我们没有通讯设备，
我们没有电力，
我们没有供应链。
所有东西，
食物，水——
所有东西都是混乱的，
面临崩溃。
我必须要保持乐观，
因为如果我不这样做，
我也会像这个人一样。
（撞击声）
我认为我们都这样过，
当你只关注于消极的一面，
你只能看到前面狭窄的地方，
你最终只能撞向灯柱。
你知道，这是痛苦的。
我的情感可以影响我能看到的方法，
我能想到的潜在的解决方法。

English: 
and I can get work done.
This is really important for me
when I go into a disaster
and there's no infrastructure:
we don't have communication,
we don't have electricity,
we don't have a supply chain.
I mean, everything is -
food, water -
all that stuff is messed up;
it's all on edge, on its end.
I have to be able to stay positive
because if I don't,
I end up like this guy.
(Clang)
And I think we've all done that -
you know, where you get
so focused on the negative
that you all you can see
is this narrow little strip
and you end up walking
right into a lamppost.
You know, it's painful.
How I respond emotionally
impacts the solutions that I can see,
the potential solutions that I can see.

English: 
And I can develop tunnel vision,
tunnel hearing, and tunnel thinking
when I get discouraged and cranky.
On the other hand,
we started off by talking about me
sitting on the edge of my bed.
When I'm discouraged,
I don't want to say to myself,
"You idiot! Don't be discouraged."
What I want to say is
"Man, you're hurting.
I appreciate that.
You're feeling afraid right now,
and I care about you.
Maybe we should go for a walk.
Let's get out of the house.
Let's take a break, get some exercise.
Let's go do something
completely different."
And then realize again, you know,
that we're in this together;
I'm not doing this by myself.
I'm really glad
I'm not doing this by myself.
Man, if you were the only one
that was vulnerable to this virus,
it would be horrible.
But we're in this together.
So, you know, it's being aware
of the conversation

Chinese: 
当我变得气馁，变得暴躁，
我的视觉听觉和思维都会变得狭隘。
另一方面，
我们从我坐在床边开始谈起，
当我气馁时，我不想对我自己说，
“你这个白痴！不要气馁。”
我想说：
“你受苦了。
我都知道。
你现在一定很害怕，
我很关心你。
也许我们应该出去走走。
让我们出去，
让我们休息一下，做一些运动。
让我们做一些完全不同的事。”
然后意识到，我们是一起的，
我并不是一个人。
我很庆幸我不是一个人。
朋友，如果你是唯一
一个被病毒所影响的，
那太糟了。
但是我们是一起的。
所以不仅是意识到我们的想法，

Chinese: 
我们也需要对自己有同情心和善意。
意识到我们内心的想法是很重要的。
我问过我自己一个重要的问题，
这改变了我的一切，
也许有人说：“你太盲目乐观了。”
但我完全不这么认为，
我想问的问题是：
“此时此刻，
势不可挡的爱是怎样的模样？
势不可挡的爱是怎样的？”
这是一个很好的问题。
现在不是我该提出
我的使命和价值观
并把它们装裱起来
挂在墙上的时候。
我想把这归为一个
我可以记住的问题：
“势不可挡的爱是怎样的？”
所以如果我坐在那，心情很糟，
对我来说势不可挡的爱是什么？
对你来说势不可挡的爱是什么？
有一天你叫起我，对我说：
“你想做一个采访吗？”
当然。

English: 
but also showing up with compassion
and kindness towards myself.
It's very important that we're aware
of these internal conversations.
The big question, I'll tell you,
that I've been asking myself
that changes everything for me -
and maybe somebody will say,
"Well, you're being Pollyanna,"
but I don't think so at all -
my big question that I'm asking is
"What does unstoppable love look like,
right here, right now?
What does unstoppable love look like?"
That's a great question.
This is not a time for me to come up with
my mission statement and value statement
and put them on a frame
and stick them on the wall.
I want to boil this down
to one question that I can remember:
"What does unstoppable love look like?"
So if I'm sitting here
and I'm feeling bad,
what does unstoppable love
look like towards myself?
What does unstoppable love
look like towards you?
You called me up the other day and said,
"Hey, you want to do an interview?"
Yeah, absolutely.

English: 
Because unstoppable love
looks like I'm going show up
and do whatever I can
to support my community
because I care about my community.
Unstoppable love gets out of the chair,
and it makes a phone call
or it makes a Zoom call
or writes a letter or does something -
go out and wave at the neighbor, you know?
What does unstoppable love look like?
And I think if people took
just that question
away from this conversation -
"What does unstoppable love look like?" -
it's going to have a huge impact
that will ripple out
and impact our community.
PK: Yeah, that's a big question
as a challenging question.
And it's challenging
to hold that together with -
you said that, you know,
at least the curve seems to be flattening
here in Washington State.
We may be further along than other states
in the US and other parts of the world,
and we're behind some
other parts of the world in this.
What do you see,
as things get worse, is helpful?

Chinese: 
因为势不可挡的爱就像我愿意出席，
尽我所能去帮助我们的社会，
因为我很关心我们的社会。
势不可挡的爱就像我从椅子上起来，
打了这个电话，或者 Zoom 视频，
或者写了封信，或是其他的，
出去向邻居挥手。
什么是不可阻挡的爱？
我认为如果人们把这个问题
从这个对话中剥离出来，
“什么是不可阻挡的爱？”
这将对我们的社会产生巨大的影响。
菲尔 · 克莱因：是的，
这是一个重要的并且有挑战性的问题。
想要做到统一也是有挑战性的。
你说过，
至少在华盛顿州
疫情增长曲线变得平缓了。
我们可能领先于
美国其他州和其他一些国家，
我们也比一些国家要落后。
当事情变得更糟的时候，
你认为那是有帮助的吗？

Chinese: 
不断地去问这样的问题？
丹 · 戴蒙德：是的。
菲尔 · 克莱因：在未来几周，
你认为会有什么特别的事
将改变我们的看法吗？
丹 · 戴蒙德：在飓风卡翠那之后——
我认为也许去解释
我在飓风卡翠那中的感受的最好的方式
就像《疯狂的麦克斯3》。
你知道，就像一个后世界末日的战区，
人们向救援人员开枪，
向直升机开枪，
向其他人开枪，
互相偷窃。
那就是
那就是《疯狂的麦克斯3》。
现在我们看不到这些。
我想说，是的，有人变得暴躁，
但是我们看到的是善意。
菲尔 · 克莱因：所以有可能变得更糟。
丹 · 戴蒙德：我的天哪，是的。
菲尔 · 克莱因：事情可能会更糟。

English: 
Just to continue asking
this kind of a question?
DD: Yes.
PK: Do you see anything in particular
in the next few weeks
that changes the way we may be thinking
about how things are?
DD: After Katrina -
I think probably the best way
that I could explain
what it felt like to be in Katrina
was Mad Max in the Thunderdome.
You know, it was like
this post-apocalyptic war zone
where you had people
shooting at the relief workers,
shooting at the helicopters,
shooting at each other,
stealing from each other.
And it was just -
it was Mad Max in the Thunderdome.
And we're not seeing that now with this.
I mean, yes, there's some people
that are getting cranky,
but what we're seeing is kindness.
PK: So it could be worse.
DD: Oh my gosh, yeah.
PK: It could be a lot worse.
And it's hard to have that perspective

Chinese: 
而且在事情持续恶化的时候
我们很难有这样的观点。
就像你觉得这一切都会结束，
我们会渡过难关，
甚至事情似乎在变得更糟？
丹 · 戴蒙德：我想过，
我有一个计划 A 和计划 B 。
菲尔 · 克莱因：嗯哼。
丹 · 戴蒙德：
没有人关注计划 A 。
我的计划 A ，
是我认为将会发生的事，
是我们直到一月或者二月
都要去解决的事。
我们需要潜下心来，
因为一旦我们放松，
疫情就会卷土重来。
我们正在增强我们的能力，
医院方面，和供应方面，
所以我们可以有能力去处理更多。
但是病毒不会消失，
他就在我们旁边。
我们需要疫苗，
我们需要有效的治疗手段。
现在发生的一些事情
在治疗方面我认为是很有帮助的，
你知道这即将到来。
但是我的计划 A 
并不只到 5 月 4 号，

English: 
when things seem like they are continuing
to get worse for a while.
It sounds like you're seeing
that this is going to round out
and we will get past this
even when it seems
like things are getting worse?
DD: I look at this -
I have a plan A and a plan B.
PK: Mm-hmm.
DD: And nobody's talking about plan A.
My plan A, which is what
I think's going to happen,
is we're going be dealing with this
until January or February.
We're going to be hunkered down
because as soon as we relax,
it's going to come
rearing its big head back up again.
We're building up our capacity -
hospital-wise, supplies-wise -
so we'll be able to handle more.
But this virus is not going away;
it's going to be in our community.
We need a vaccine;
we need some reasonable treatments.
There's some stuff that's going on
that I think is going to be very helpful
from a treatment perspective -
it's, you know, it's coming.
But my plan A is not until May 4th -

English: 
my plan A is this is going to be
probably till January, February.
My plan B is we're going to be
through this by early summer
and we'll have some strategies in place
and it's going to be awesome.
And if Plan B happens,
I'm going to be delighted -
it's going to be incredible.
If plan A happens, I want to be ready
for a long-haul game
instead of, you know,
getting to the point where I'm saying,
"Man, they keep extending -
this is ridiculous,"
I want to go, "I knew this would happen.
It's going to be all right.
We'll be okay."
How can I best serve
the people that I know?
How can I best connect with them?
What does unstoppable love look like?
Will we get through this?
Absolutely, we'll get through it.
It's a season.
It's a long one, but it's a season.
It's not terminal;
it's not going to go on forever.
This is the most difficult one
that we've ever faced,
but we'll get through it.

Chinese: 
我的计划 A 也许持续到一月或者二月，
我的计划 B 是
在初夏疫情将被解决，
我们将建立一些很好的策略。
如果计划 B 实现了，我会很高兴，
那是难以置信的。
如果计划 A 发生了，
我会做好一场持久战的准备，
而不是认为：
“疫情在继续扩散，这太荒唐了。”
我希望是：“我知道这会发生。
一切都会好起来，我们会没事的。”
我该怎么更好地去帮助别人？
我该怎么更好地去和他们联系？
什么是势不可挡的爱？
我们会渡过这个难关吗？
当然，我们挺会过去的。
这是一个时期。
它很长，但仅仅是一个时期。
这不是终结，
这不会一直持续下去。
这是我经历过最困难的事，
但这终将过去。
