THERE’S VERY LITTLE THAT THEY CAN DO TO SHAKE THOSE WITNESSES
CAN DO TO SHAKE THOSE WITNESSES IN CHALLENGES OR
IN CHALLENGES OR CROSS-EXAMINATION.
CROSS-EXAMINATION. >> PEGGY, I’M JUST STRUCK BY THE
>> PEGGY, I’M JUST STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT I FEEL BOTH MITCH
FACT THAT I FEEL BOTH MITCH McCONNELL AND NANCY PELOSI IN
McCONNELL AND NANCY PELOSI IN THEIR OWN WAY ACTUALLY ARE
THEIR OWN WAY ACTUALLY ARE LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC A BIT.
LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC A BIT. MEANING THEY REALIZE THEY HAVE
MEANING THEY REALIZE THEY HAVE TO STRIKE A BALANCE.
TO STRIKE A BALANCE. NANCY PELOSI REALIZES I’M GOING
NANCY PELOSI REALIZES I’M GOING TO MAKE THE LAST THING WE DO
TO MAKE THE LAST THING WE DO USMCA, NOT IMPEACHMENT.
USMCA, NOT IMPEACHMENT. MITCH McCONNELL REALIZING, LOOK,
MITCH McCONNELL REALIZING, LOOK, SUSAN COLLINS AND CORY GARDNER
SUSAN COLLINS AND CORY GARDNER HAVE TO SHOW VOTERS THAT THEY’RE
HAVE TO SHOW VOTERS THAT THEY’RE HOLDING THE -- THAT THEY TAKE
HOLDING THE -- THAT THEY TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY.
THIS SERIOUSLY. IT SEEMS AS IF THEY’RE TRYING
IT SEEMS AS IF THEY’RE TRYING TO -- AND, YOU KNOW, WE’RE
TO -- AND, YOU KNOW, WE’RE ALWAYS SO HARD ON CONGRESSIONAL
ALWAYS SO HARD ON CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS SOMETIMES.
LEADERS SOMETIMES. THEY DO STRIKE ME AS TWO LEADERS
THEY DO STRIKE ME AS TWO LEADERS THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR OWN
THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR OWN POLITICS A BIT.
POLITICS A BIT. >> YES.
>> YES. I THINK SO.
I THINK SO. I ALSO THINK IN NANCY PELOSI’S
I ALSO THINK IN NANCY PELOSI’S CASE AND MITCH McCONNELL’S
CASE AND MITCH McCONNELL’S PLACE, THEY HAVE A QUIET SENSE
PLACE, THEY HAVE A QUIET SENSE THERE’S A THING IN THEIR BRAINS.
THERE’S A THING IN THEIR BRAINS. WHERE THEY’RE THINKING PROTECT
WHERE THEY’RE THINKING PROTECT THE INSTITUTION.
THE INSTITUTION. PROTECT THE RESPECTABILITY OF
PROTECT THE RESPECTABILITY OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND OF THE U.S. SENATE.
OF THE U.S. SENATE. I’LL TELL YOU.
I’LL TELL YOU. I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT
I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT ANDREA SAID.
ANDREA SAID. THE -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
THE -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES ME MOST ABOUT THIS
STRIKES ME MOST ABOUT THIS MOMENT, AS WE JOURNEY NOW AT A
MOMENT, AS WE JOURNEY NOW AT A QUICKER PACE TOWARDS IMPEACHMENT
QUICKER PACE TOWARDS IMPEACHMENT WHICH I SUSPECT WILL BE NEXT
WHICH I SUSPECT WILL BE NEXT WEDNESDAY, IS THAT IN PAST
WEDNESDAY, IS THAT IN PAST IMPEACHMENTS, CHUCK, THERE WAS A
IMPEACHMENTS, CHUCK, THERE WAS A SENSE OF GRAVITY.
SENSE OF GRAVITY. A SENSE OF BIG THINGS ARE
A SENSE OF BIG THINGS ARE HAPPENING HERE.
HAPPENING HERE. AN EPICAL EVENT.
AN EPICAL EVENT. WATERGATE WITH RICHARD NIXON.
WATERGATE WITH RICHARD NIXON. I REMEMBER IT.
I REMEMBER IT. I WAS A COLLEGE KID.
I WAS A COLLEGE KID. IN THE BILL CLINTON ERA EVEN
IN THE BILL CLINTON ERA EVEN DURING HIS IMPEACHMENT, THERE
DURING HIS IMPEACHMENT, THERE WAS A SENSE OF GRAVITY THAT I
WAS A SENSE OF GRAVITY THAT I DON’T QUITE SENSE IN THE COUNTRY
DON’T QUITE SENSE IN THE COUNTRY NOW.
NOW. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> IT IS NOT MY SENSE --
>> IT IS NOT MY SENSE -- >> IS IT CYNICISM?
>> IS IT CYNICISM? >> I DON’T KNOW.
>> I DON’T KNOW. PEOPLE ARE NOT ENTHRALLED BY
PEOPLE ARE NOT ENTHRALLED BY THIS.
THIS. PART OF IT IS THAT THERE’S NO
PART OF IT IS THAT THERE’S NO SUSPENSE.
SUSPENSE. WE KNOW WHAT THE HOUSE IS GOING
WE KNOW WHAT THE HOUSE IS GOING TO DO.
TO DO. WE KNOW WHAT THE SENATE IS GOING
WE KNOW WHAT THE SENATE IS GOING TO DO.
TO DO. SO THERE’S NO SENSE OF MYSTERY.
SO THERE’S NO SENSE OF MYSTERY. THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE. I THINK IN THE ’70s, FOR NIXON
I THINK IN THE ’70s, FOR NIXON IN THE ’90s, EVEN FOR CLINTON,
IN THE ’90s, EVEN FOR CLINTON, THERE WAS A GREATER SENSE THAT
THERE WAS A GREATER SENSE THAT YOU COULD TRUST INSTITUTIONS.
YOU COULD TRUST INSTITUTIONS. THAT IF THE HOUSE IMPEACHED BILL
THAT IF THE HOUSE IMPEACHED BILL CLINTON, THERE WAS PROBABLY
CLINTON, THERE WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING TO IT.
SOMETHING TO IT. I THINK, AS A COUNTRY, IT’S A
I THINK, AS A COUNTRY, IT’S A BENEL OBSERVATION BUT
BENEL OBSERVATION BUT NONETHELESS TRUE AS A COUNTRY,
NONETHELESS TRUE AS A COUNTRY, WE HAVE LOST FAITH IN
WE HAVE LOST FAITH IN INSTITUTIONS AND IN OUR LEADERS
INSTITUTIONS AND IN OUR LEADERS TO BE NECESSARILY DOING THE
TO BE NECESSARILY DOING THE RIGHT THING.
RIGHT THING. SO I THINK THAT’S PART OF THIS.
SO I THINK THAT’S PART OF THIS. IT’S JUST FUNNY TO BE IN ON THE
IT’S JUST FUNNY TO BE IN ON THE THIRD IMPEACHMENT OF AN AMERICAN
THIRD IMPEACHMENT OF AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT EVER AND NOT HAVING A
PRESIDENT EVER AND NOT HAVING A SENSE OF GRAVITY ABOUT IT
SENSE OF GRAVITY ABOUT IT NATIONALLY.
NATIONALLY. >> BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE’S ONE
>> BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE’S ONE DIFFERENCE, ANOTHER DIFFERENCE
DIFFERENCE, ANOTHER DIFFERENCE HERE, BILL CLINTON AND RICHARD
HERE, BILL CLINTON AND RICHARD NIXON ALSO HAD A SENSE OF THE
NIXON ALSO HAD A SENSE OF THE AMERICAN STORY TO THEM.
AMERICAN STORY TO THEM. SO -- AND THEY ALSO, BECAUSE
SO -- AND THEY ALSO, BECAUSE THEY LIVED THEIR WHOLE LIVES
THEY LIVED THEIR WHOLE LIVES WANTING TO LEAD THESE
WANTING TO LEAD THESE INSTITUTIONS, THEY CARED ABOUT
INSTITUTIONS, THEY CARED ABOUT THESE INSTITUTIONS.
THESE INSTITUTIONS. TRUMP DOESN’T HAVE THAT SAME
TRUMP DOESN’T HAVE THAT SAME SENSE OF LOYALTY TO THE
SENSE OF LOYALTY TO THE INSTITUTIONS OF THE UNITED
INSTITUTIONS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
STATES OF AMERICA. SORRY, LET ME GO TO ANDREA
SORRY, LET ME GO TO ANDREA FIRST.
FIRST. BUT YEAH.
BUT YEAH. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY JON
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY JON MEACHAM YESTERDAY SAID THAT THIS
MEACHAM YESTERDAY SAID THAT THIS IS AN HISTORIC MOMENT.
IS AN HISTORIC MOMENT. IT’S A SERIOUS MOMENT, WHICH IS
IT’S A SERIOUS MOMENT, WHICH IS BEING HANDLED IN A VERY
BEING HANDLED IN A VERY UNSERIOUS FASHION.
UNSERIOUS FASHION. I’M PARAPHRASING JON.
I’M PARAPHRASING JON. BUT THAT CAPTURED SOMETHING FOR
BUT THAT CAPTURED SOMETHING FOR ME.
ME. WHAT PEGGY WAS JUST SAYING, THE
WHAT PEGGY WAS JUST SAYING, THE LOYALTY TO INSTITUTIONS, DONALD
LOYALTY TO INSTITUTIONS, DONALD TRUMP IS A DISRUPTOR.
TRUMP IS A DISRUPTOR. AND EVEN AT THE -- IN THE WORST
AND EVEN AT THE -- IN THE WORST MOMENTS OF THE BILL CLINTON
