So Paul
1949
You're elected as the youngest member of parliament Canadian history
How old are you that I was 25 and I'm celebrating the 70th anniversary in just a few days
What made you think you could do that at 25
Not being very realistic I
I guess in those days you think you can do anything and
So I I tried
to do the impossible
And it worked
but and also I learned the first lesson of politics which was that
Backbenchers don't influence policy and anything very much let alone
monetary and fiscal policies so I had a lot to learn but I was in the house and there was a start and
It was basically a miracle I think
That I got in because the odds were 15 to 1 against me on election day in the local pub
But it happened. So amazing and you're saying that back benchers couldn't make adjustment
So you fixed that too because eight years later you were elected as the youngest captain
Yes, I was the last of the San Wrong
appointees
Which makes me gives me the dubious honor of being the Dean of the Privy Council the senior member of the Privy Council
just ahead of Prince Phillip, but
That and a lot of money will buy you a cigar, you know
So beat the odds get
the odds
The
Canadian Armed Forces, which was not terribly popular at the time. That's an understatement. It was a real war and
every other Minister since the
Second World War had said that should be done it was
it was almost impossible again and
What I learned was that is it is
difficult bordering on impossible
to change anything of substance of government
because the system the building
System of
Civil servants and so on is so rigid and so strong
That they really think they run the country in the only country and once they get an idea
They won't change it if they can possibly avoid it. So what we did was
was
really another miracle
Defense
Secretary Robert McNamara said heavier stun, what every Minister of Defence?
Wanted to do but didn't have the guts to do
Was
because the the
System was so inefficient
The three services acted independently, they were not working as a team even
during the war they were not working as a team and worst of all it
was that
The three services were planning for three different kinds of wars when I took over as minister
So this doesn't make any sense
You've got to have some kind of a consensus because you can't plan buy equipment and do all that sort of thing
And go in three different directions at the same time
So 14 years ago, you do find yourself
Oh
Yes, I really was not into the 80 and the UFO file at all
when I was Minister, I had deciding reports and
On reflection they were about the same as in other countries experience about 80 percent of the sightings reports were
natural phenomena and
about 15 or 20 percent were unidentified so they fit the
Definition of unidentified flying objects
But I was too busy
Unifying the Armed Forces to spend much time on that file
Mmm, Bob McNamara used to say he would tell me anything he wanted to know but I didn't know the right questions to ask so
I
Finished that portfolio and got on my way
Without ever knowing a lot of the things that we're going on. I don't know how much he would have told me
Probably quite a bit at the time because we were quite close, but I wound up
post-war with
this file so far from my mind that it was a way down in the list and it was only
well again, I don't I'm not sure it was happenstance, but I
seemed to be picked to
just carry the banner for
former public officials and the g8 and say that
The UFOs are as real as airplanes flying overhead, and I had to assure my bride
of a week from the day that I went public that it was a one-off and and so on and
She said well if you think it's important
Go ahead
Because I was afraid that the United States Air Force will have a habit of shooting first and asking questions after
Would start shooting at the visitors from other planets and other star systems
and maybe get us into a galactic war some stage and
The way things are working out
Over the last 14 years. I've my concern was I think very real and
Just as concerned today as I was then
When you're
Originally given this information. How did you go about confirming it? Because you're
Been a public service in the politics of extensive sermon to a politician for so long
You're gonna want to confirm this information, how did you go about doing that not on your training conferences?
Well, I've learned them. First of all I got I
was I was
encouraged to go into this field by a young man by the name of Pierre Jun all
Young the bottling will chap from Ottawa
it was started sending me stuff on the
On the subject and I told him honestly I didn't have time to read about it or worry about it
He said we'll put it on the shelf for a rainy day
He encouraged me to watch an ABCs special
Of two hours put together by Peter Jennings the late Peter Jennings of Ottawa. And so I did watch it and
There were former Air Force pilots US Air Force pilots and former
Civilian pilots air traffic controllers policemen all said they had seen UFOs
And afterward I had to say to myself. Well, why would they lie? I mean, they're not getting paid to lie surely
They must be telling the truth, but it was sort of putting the back crevice of my mind
well, then appear had sent me a book called the day after Roswell and
I
Said that looks like a good read for my summer reading at the rental Lodge or a little place in Muskoka
And so I took it
and that was about halfway through when I
was
realizing that it was the real thing because I recognized the names of the generals of the airfields from my
days in Ottawa
my
Nephew came along and asked me what I was reading. I told him he said well, I'm a skeptic I
Said well, it's a free country more or less getting less all the time
So you can be a skeptic if you want to so he went home and
a
Couple days later. He called and said I
Called the general and told him what you were reading. He said every word true but more and more
Where can I get a copy of the book?
So I decided I had already decided that it was it was true. And that was the real thing
but hearing that the general had said so
This sounded like confirmation but before going public I decided I should get it from his lips personally
so I asked my nephew to
To give him a heads up that I was call and to get his number for me, but he did
So I called him and before I could even say hello. How are you? He said every word is true and more and
Then he spent 20 minutes
talking about the more to the extent that he could without breaking his oath to create an extent and
The most important thing. He said was there have been face-to-face
meetings between the United States officials and
Visitors from other star systems period what do you think he told?
I
Think he respected me and felt maybe that it was good that I should have that information
But
Well, of course the whole knowing anything about what's going on was dangerous information if you start talking about it
But in any event, I was convinced that I had to speak out and that's when I decided to
accept the the outstanding invitation from Victor VG on E and Mike Bird to go to their
Exopolitics conference at the University of Toronto and say
That airplanes are as real as the at least the UFOs are as real as the airplanes flying overhead. I felt a
low response ability
to
Humankind to get the discussion into the public domain to the extent possible
and of course been working at it for 13 years since with with some
Modest results but still only like a drop in the bucket compared to what has to happen next
He regretted
decision, no, not at all because I think it was intended to be I'm a believer and I think at the
the creator of the of the cosmos
Said we need some more people out there spreading the word and
You're somebody who has the ability to do that and the training and the credibility and
Then if you look back over my career path
you can see that I
Almost was not appointed
parliamentary secretary to
Defense in which case I would never wound up as Minister of Defense in which case I wouldn't have had half the credibility
that I have as a former Minister of Defense because people
expect me to tell the truth and they expect me to know something and to tell them what I know and
Give them the straight guts. So I think the whole thing that ties together in a
very interesting and very
Thoughtful manner and I appreciate actually the opportunity even though I know that has put my life
in
The crosshairs of a couple of people that don't really appreciate what I'm saying
Are you concerned about repercussions?
well, you have to be concerned but at the same time I'm
95 going on 96 years old and I've had a good life
I know what happens to people when they die, and I I know that it's good not bad and
So I'm not the least bit concerned about being bumped off
And saying the worst thing they can do to me is kill me and and that would be a promotion in a way
so
Say say your piece and
Accept the consequences whatever they may happen to me
for somebody starting
beginning down this path
What is the single piece of evidence of the single event or?
The single document that you would suggest for someone to begin with the most compelling thing
Well, I think I would start them with Courcelles book and then after that
to to read 10 or 20 of the other books by
ufologists
Linda Moulton Howe, of course and Paula Harris and grant Cameron and and
The whole list of
people who spent years and years checking the veracity of the
Information which has been made available
but Travis Walton I was just saying I
invited him to Las Vegas 12 years ago and
Spent hours
asking him questions and at the end of the weekend, I was satisfied that he was telling the truth and
Jim sparks, I
spent a lot of time talking to him and
Finally, I was satisfied that
He was telling the truth so those were two examples I put in my first book that
mentioned this subject light at the end of the tunnel and
Then in the meantime I had been in London and
A Nick Pope gave me a case to follow up
and
The only reason was that it had gotten into the public domain somehow through the Brits
Who had leaked it? I don't know probably
accidentally and so he gave me that and
so I was in Washington for the National Prayer Breakfast and I was
I phoned
Colonel halt
Charles halt and
And asked if he would see mean he said I don't normally talk about these things, but if Nick Pope recommended you I'll see you
So he did and I got up after the show was over down here. I
got a car and
Drove down to his gated community that he was in charge huh? And
He told me
in two hours
An answer to my general questions all about the Brent water water of Bentwaters case
Brent water forest case and and
It was absolutely authentic and I can recognize a hard-nose
Colonel when I see one and
They said this is not the kind of guy that's going to put a make up a story for you
This is somebody that's going to tell you the truth. And the biggest truth of the whole thing was the
Second or third
Incident sighting
was when
his commanding officer
Said well, will you go out deal with this situation?
And he said he marched out the door saying I'm going to put an end to this nonsense once and for all
and of course just instead of doing that he wound up having his life changed forever and
That's the kind of evidence that
You know, I would say as a hundred
Plenty or what do you think is that I think it's part of the game
They're not telling us the whole truth they're telling a selective truths
They're telling us convenient truths
just enough to
say to us there is a problem and we
Need more money
to build more ships to
Cope with the problem
Well, the problem is
The problem is an imaginary one that they're
conning us with and
That is that we have something to fear from the extraterrestrials when in fact
They are the problem the cabal that is running the United States has been for
decades
And running much of the world
As plans for what they call a new world order
which
Sounds like a utopia but when you get through the the fog
it is what they intend to do is a
world government unelected
fascist
government
of by and for them
at the expense of all of the rest of the people and that's what their haven't up their sleeves in my opinion and
so I think their
disclosure
And why they would start with something so contemporary
instead of going back to the beginning
Well, I was gonna say I don't know but I do know because they want us to think that all of some of the stuff
is new
And that they haven't known about it for decades in that case before and that they haven't reacted to it already
So I think it's part of the con job
It would be for the Congress of the United States
Immediately to set up a committee bipartisan to hear witnesses
Who want to tell the truth and
Are willing to tell the truth, but all they need is an amnesty from the National Security Act
because
otherwise if they did that
Their lives might be endangered
they're certainly their pensions would be in danger and they would have other penalties which would prohibit them from telling the truth and
They have to have an environment
Where they can say exactly what they want to say in exactly what the facts are and if they do that
Then I think the Congress will take the necessary steps to
End the problem or to
To mitigate it to the point that the
planned new world order as
is
presently
Conceived will not happen
