JUDY WOODRUFF: The Trump administration is
making some big changes to the food stamp
program.
Today, the U.S. Department of Agriculture
finalized a new rule expected to end food
stamps for nearly 700,000 people.
Now known as SNAP, the food stamp program
helps feed more than 36 million Americans.
The new measure is the first of three initiatives
to curtail those benefits.
The administration, which is scaling back
the size of social safety net programs, says
the changes will save the government billions
of dollars.
Amna Nawaz has the story.
AMNA NAWAZ: Judy, the new rule enforces tougher
work requirements.
And states also will have less flexibility
to exempt able-bodied adults without children
or dependents from those requirements.
The other proposed changes will affect even
more people, dropping roughly three million
people from getting food aid when all is said
and done.
As he announced the latest rule, which goes
into effect next April, Agriculture Secretary
Sonny Perdue said he's trying to restore the
system to -- quote -- "provide assistance
through difficult times, not a way of life."
Elaine Waxman studies this program and has
done her own analyses for the nonpartisan
Urban Institute.
Elaine Waxman, welcome back to the "NewsHour."
ELAINE WAXMAN, Urban Institute: Thank you
for having me.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, the argument from the administration
is: The economy is doing very well.
It's improved dramatically.
Unemployment is at historic lows.
Many of these able-bodied adults without children
or dependents don't need this assistance anymore.
What do you say to that?
ELAINE WAXMAN: It's true the economy has improved
a great deal, but not for all people and not
in all places.
And national or even state level unemployment
statistics can mask a great deal of variation
in opportunity.
States have had the ability to apply for waivers
from these work requirements and time limits
when they felt there were insufficient jobs.
And it will be much harder to do that now.
Some of the individuals affected by this change
are among the most vulnerable.
They have very, very low incomes.
They often work in unstable jobs.
And unlike the characterization of the secretary
today, they don't use SNAP as a way of life.
They turn to SNAP during periods of unstable
employment.
And the vast majority of them work when they
can.
AMNA NAWAZ: Just to clarify a point here,
the definition of able-bodied adults, this
implies it will only affect single adults.
Is that your understanding?
ELAINE WAXMAN: So, the term able-bodied adults
without dependents is an interesting one.
It is for single adults, but they're not all
able-bodied.
We know from research that many of them may
have significant physical or mental health
issues that create barriers for work.
And they may be without dependents, but that
doesn't mean they don't have children.
They may be noncustodial parents.
And whenever they're struggling, we know they
have fewer resources available to provide
support to those children.
AMNA NAWAZ: I do want to ask you about the
numbers, though.
It's important to provide some context.
If you take a look at the last 20 years of
the enrollment in those food stamp programs,
take a look at this now from 2000 to 2019.
It is safe to say it is still twice the number
today that it was back in 2000, although it
hit a peak up in 2015, about 45 million, down
to 36 million now.
What's important to understand about these
numbers?
Why haven't we come down to pre-recession
numbers?
ELAINE WAXMAN: So, the first thing that's
important to understand is that we still have
more than 37 million people who struggle with
food insecurity, despite a better economy.
So, that suggests there's still a very significant
need for support, even as many people are
able to regain employment.
We don't quite know what the employment challenges
are, but we know that many people may have
a criminal justice record that make it more
difficult to get employment.
They may, in fact, have limited education,
may only have a high school diploma or less.
The unemployment rate for those people is
not the same.
And so we know, in general, in the last 20
years, the labor market is much more unstable.
There's been a rise of gig economy, of people
working multiple jobs.
And I think that's reflected in the numbers
we see today.
AMNA NAWAZ: So you're saying just because
people have a job doesn't necessarily mean
that they are able to provide for themselves,
and still might need food aid?
ELAINE WAXMAN: Absolutely.
And we know that many people on SNAP do work.
AMNA NAWAZ: So let me ask you about those
waivers now, because you mentioned not all
communities are the same.
States could issue them, so that even people
-- so people could continue to qualify for
food assistance.
What do we know about where they're issued?
ELAINE WAXMAN: So, the waivers have historically
been issued in many different parts of the
country.
About three dozen states have used them either
recently across the state or at least in some
counties.
The administration will now limit the ability
of those waivers to be provided unless the
unemployment rate for 24 months is 6 percent,
and also if it's above 20 percent of the national
average.
That might not sound that dramatic, but here's
the point; 24-month average means that if
unemployment shifts rapidly, states won't
be able to respond to that.
So, we're concerned that there may be scenarios
where an area could have an unemployment rate
of, say, 9 percent and still not qualify for
a waiver.
AMNA NAWAZ: Let me ask you about two of the
other rules we mentioned earlier, because
this new rule goes into effect in April.
There are two more potential rules on the
books.
One basically does, what they say, closing
a loophole, right, that they say allow households
without certain incomes or assets to qualify.
It's -- the household income would be at $50,000
a year for a family of four -- that is 200
percent of the poverty level -- or households
that have more than $2,250 in total assets.
That number would be higher for disabled adults.
That is one rule that's proposed at the moment.
There's a second rule as well that could come
into effect.
And that would just cut the overall food stamp
budget.
It would cut it by $4.5 billion from the program
over five years.
They do that by adjusting the eligibility
standards.
When you look at those two proposed rules,
in conjunction with the new rule today, what
would be the combined effect of those rules?
ELAINE WAXMAN: And that's a really important
question, because when we look at them individually,
they may be concerning, but over the course
of a year, we have had three major proposed
changes.
And we estimate that somewhere around 3.7
million people will lose benefits.
And that's not including the almost one million
children that will lose a direct link to the
free lunch program at school.
That is something that the administration
has acknowledged is a consequence of the rule
you mentioned changing eligibility.
AMNA NAWAZ: Very briefly, Elaine, the administration
says this will save money, we're saving billions
of dollars by doing this.
Isn't that true?
ELAINE WAXMAN: I think it will save money.
And I wouldn't challenge that, in the short
term, and perhaps in the SNAP program.
What we know about SNAP is that it reduces
food insecurity, it reduces poverty, and that
people who participate in SNAP may have lower
health care expenditures.
With all things being equal, if fewer people
are on SNAP, we can expect those poor outcomes
to increase.
We may see increased expenses in the Medicaid
program and changes over the long term.
So, to save money is a relative concept.
AMNA NAWAZ: Elaine Waxman of the Urban Institute,
thank you very much for being here.
ELAINE WAXMAN: Thank you.
