>> GOOD EVENING; EVERYONE.
IF I KNEW I WAS
THIS POPULAR. >> I WENT OUT LIKE A I DON'T KNOW LIKE A MIRACLE COLLECTION
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY; WE'VE GOT SEVERAL
WE HAVE A BIG AND UH WE HAVE
A SEVERAL BIG BILLS HAS QUITE A
FEW NUMBERS CITIZEN
ALL RIGHT ANOTHER CARROTS A SUMMIT TO TRY TO MOVE THROUGH
THE
FIRST SO BECAUSE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY A STANDING ROOM AND I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WERE
ABLE HELP OF FOLKS ARE WAITING FOR
BILL AND
GREAT NUMB FIRST TO BE ABLE GET ON WITH THE REST OF THE EVENING. BUT OF COURSE ARE EVERYONE IS TO STAY AS LONG AS
YOU LIKE. WE
WE WERE
RECESS AND SAW RECONVENING THE
COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM AND JUST SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF
HOME AND MOVE.
>> THROUGH THIS SO WE'RE GOING
TO START WITH HOUSE FILED 3; 9;
7; 5 WHICH IS THE POST CONVICTION RELIEF A BILL WE
HAVE A NUMBER OF CONSTITUENCIES
CONSTITUENTS. >> FROM MOM. COMMUNITIES GROUPS
THAT ARE HERE FOR THAT. AND
THEN WE'RE GOING TO
MOVE TO. US FILED 3 NIGHTS SOUTHERN 6 FELONY MURDER OF
SENSE AND TASK FORCE STRIPS
OF BEANS BILL AND I HAVE A FEELING THAT A GOOD ROBUST
PROBABLY HERE FOR
THAT THOUGH; AND THEN WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE TO HOSPITAL 27; ALL KNOW A PEACE OFFER EACH
OFFICER TREATING
REIMBURSEMENT FUN. BOTH PROVIDE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE DEALING WITH THE POST-WAR WE HAVE A
NUMBER OF OUR
LAW ENFORCEMENT PUBLIC BOTH LOCAL STATE OFFICIALS HERE AND
I LIKE TO GET THEM ALL. A HOME A SORT OF THE
AND THEN NOBLE WILL MOVE FROM
OBVIOUSLY WITH THE SPENDING
TESTIMONY IS GOING TO BE
PRETTY TIGHT. SOMEONE ACID TEST
THE FIRES TO BE SUPER
I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR EVERYTHING YOU SAY SO WITH THE COMMITTEE; BUT FRANKLY WE'RE
NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT KIND
OF TIME. BUT PLEASE DO CONTINUE
TO INTERACT WITH COMMITTEE MEMBER SOME LEGISLATORS
THROUGHOUT
THE SESSION TO SHARE BEFORE YOUR FULL OR A TODAY IS
AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO BASICALLY
GOT. THE BASIC UNDERSTANDING OUT OF THE BILL ENTERTAIN SOME
AND COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS AND THEN VOTE ON
THE BILLS. I WOULD MIGHT LEARN OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMITTEE ALSO BE AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE.
HOLDER IS AN OVERFLOW ROOM.
OK SO THE OVERFLOW ROOM IS
GOING TO BE OF FARMERS UP IN THE PRESS ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND SHOULD BE AVAILABLE
INSIDE OF
5 MINUTES WILL OF CLOSER TO SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SIT COMFORTABLY IN WATCHING THE
PROCEEDINGS FROM THERE AT THIS POINT ON AS
MY A COLLEAGUE VICE CHAIR.
TO TOOK THE GAVEL AND PERCENT
THE FIRST.
A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FUN; YOU
HAD A QUESTION.
>> IT WAS JUST WONDERING ON THIS BILL AS IT'S JUST AN
INFORMATIONAL BECAUSE THIS IS UNDER A JUDICIARY STILL HAS
POSSESSION OF THIS BILL.
>> AND THAT REPRESENTATIVE
JOHNSON WILL BE DOING IT OVER. WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY WE DON'T HAVE POSSESSION OF THE
BILL. IT'S IN THE JUDICIARY AND PUBLIC SAFETY IT WILL BE IN FOR A THEM REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON.
BUT CHAIR MARY ADEA
I'M OUT.
YOU HAVE 29 OH 7 BEFORE US IT
LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT. MET HER HOUSE ABOUT
3; 8; 7; 5 COUNTRIES TOO.
>> THAT'S A SORT OF A CORRECT
ABOUT THIS SO MEMBERS OF THE OBVIOUS A SINGLE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE THIS SESSION
IS A REMOVING ESSENTIALLY
BILLS THAT. WE LAST YEAR THERE WERE QUITE A FEW BILLS THAT THEY DID ALL THROUGH THE PROCESS BUT WE'RE
NOT ACTED ON. IN THE FINAL
IT'S ALL OF THAT WITH THE
AGREEMENT OF BOTH. PARTIES WE
AGREED THAT WE WERE MOVE THE BILL SAYS THAT
THIS IS THE AS POSSIBLE. BUT BUT NONETHELESS WE HAVE TO
PULL BACK THROUGH
THE COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE ORIGIN EVERY ONE OF THOSE BILLS THAT
THAT WILL THE
NEXT APPROPRIATE. LEVEL OUTSIDE I THINK PERHAPS THAT'S WHAT
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON WAS
REFERRING TO.
I DECIDED TO CLARITY FROM
STAFF HERE OR MY COMMITTEE MINISTER WHERE THIS BILL OVERSIGHTS BECAUSE THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE
MOST OF IT BEFORE US.
>> THANK YOU CHAIR OF THAT MISTER JOHNSON DO YOU THINK CAN
HELP US WITH THAT.
>> A METAL CHAIR
CHAIR MARY THIS THIS IS A NEW BILL THIS IS NOT LAST YEAR'S BILL OR NOT THERE WAS A SIMILAR
BILL ON UH THE SAME TOPIC
LAST SESSION THIS BILL WAS INTRODUCED MARCH SECOND AND IT
WAS REFERRED TO
THE JUDICIARY. I HAVE NO NOTICE
OF IT HAVING BEEN REFERRED TO THIS COMMITTEE; SO IT'S NOT IN THE POSSESSION OF THIS
COMMITTEE OF THIS TIME. >> THEY'RE BETTER TERM MEMBERS
WILL DO IT INFORMATION WE THOUGHT THAT A COUPLE TIMES A COUPLE OTHER BILLS WE HAVE SOME
OTHER
FIELDS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING
THAT WITH AND THAT WILL BE THAT WE MOVE TO LAY THE BILL OVER US SO WE CAN MAKE AN APPROPRIATE
FASHION. OR PERHAPS A FACTOR TO
SYRIA.
THE SUBSEQUENT
TO THIS A VERY WELL SO VERY MUCH OR A LOCALLY THAT WILL SERVE AS AN ORDER AT THIS POINT
SO ALL OF IT VERY
GET TO SPOT
375. AS JUSTICE REFORM BILL
FOCUS ON ENSURING ACCESS
TO JUSTICE THE CONCEPT OF THE
BILL MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE IS REALLY QUITE SIMPLE. IT ALLOWS
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE A
CONSTITUTIONAL OR LEGAL DEFECT IN THEIR CRIMINAL CONVICTION
OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CASE. MINNESOTA CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM AS A WAY
TO FIX OR REVISIT PAST. CONVICTIONS THAT WERE OBTAINED
IMPROPERLY TO TO A
CONSTITUTIONAL. THERE ARE
LEGAL DEFENSE; HOWEVER; A CRIMINAL STATUTE ARE POSTED THAT SHE REALLY FREAK WIRES THE
CLAIM THAT THEY BROUGHT
WITH THEM. 2 YEARS OF THE CONVICTION THERE FOR THIS BILL
CREATES A SINCE
THAT SUMPTION TO A LIST OF
EXCEPTIONS TO THE LAW THAT
SAYS THAT IF INDIVIDUALS THAT
HOLD OF THEIR
IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES. WHEN THEY AGREED TO THE BENCH AND THEIR CASE THAT SHOULD BE REVIEW TODAY. I HAVE FOR A TEST
THE FIRES THAT
WILL PERCENT THE SKATING GANG
FROM COW. A PAIR OF AN IMPACT. >> FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEIR SON
DOCTORAL STUDENT
WHO'S WORKING OFF OF HER TO KEEP HER FAMILY AND THE SHOOTER LEGAL EXPERT FROM THE
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA
LAW SCHOOL LAST 4 HITS OF THE
BEFORE US BUT COAST VERSUS THE
HOWEVER WANT TO SHARE.
INFORMATION THE LETTERS
BASICALLY GIVEN THE TIME I JUST COULDN'T SHARE THAT WILL MAKE THIS AVAILABLE TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THERE WILL ALSO
TONIGHT THE
LETTER SUPPORT FROM OUR SAINT PAUL MAYOR MELVIN CARTER WHO
HAS BEEN A CLOSE PARTNER IN
THIS WORK. THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BUT IF YOU WILL RECALL LAST YEAR HE CAME INTO US APART
WELL AS THE COUPLE TIMES ON
THIS BILL. A VERY
WHERE CARTER THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL SUPPORTS LEGISLATION EXPANDS POST CONVICTION RELIEF
MR. THAKSIN'S
TO JUSTICE.
>> OUR MISSION IS A PROUD TRADITION OF WELCOMING
IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES INTO OUR COMMUNITIES SUPPOSE THE
EXCEPTION OF ONE OF THE LARGEST AND THEY LOVE POPULATIONS IN
OUR NATION I ASKED
THE STATE PART OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT THEY RESPOND TO
THEIR SITUATION. BUT ALSO BEFORE THE
GOVERNOR WAS ALSO HAS THE
SUPPORT THE SPILL AND THE CAR
COMMISSIONER SNOVER
RUSSIA SUPPORTS US A LITTLE AS WELL SO WITH THAT I'M NOT SURE I LIKE TO MOVE QUICKLY TO MIKE
THE FIRE TO START WITH THIS ARE
CUTTING.
>> AT LEAST YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOU CAN BEGIN YOUR
TESTIMONY YOU GOOD MEET WITH
CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE; MY NAME IS GETTING YOUNG AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PROGRAMS AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH
A COALITION OF ASIAN
AMERICAN LEADERS. ALSO KNOWN AS
COW COW IS A NETWORK OF OVER 2000 ASIAN AMERICANS WORKING ON
COMMUNITY PRIORITIES TO ENSURE THAT EQUITY IS ACHIEVED FOR
ASIAN AMERICANS IN OUR CITY. FOR MANY YEARS COW HAS SUPPORTED LOCAL AND NATIONAL
EFFORTS
TO STOP THE DETENTION AND DEPORTATION OF FORMER REFUGEES TO THE COUNTRIES OF CAMBODIA;
LAOS; MYANMAR
AND VIETNAM. PROFESSIONALLY I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE
SINCE
1997 AND WHEN I WAS HEAD OF THE OLDEST AND ONLY ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION FOR SOUTHEAST
ASIANS IN WASHINGTON
D C EVEN BACK THEN I BUY THAT
IMPACTED INDIVIDUALS TO MEET WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS
TO EXPLAIN HOW THE CHANGES IN
IMMIGRATION LAWS AFFECTED
REFUGEES. I HAVE SEEN HOW THE
SOUTHEAST ASIAN COMMUNITY HAS BEEN SPEECH TRAUMATIZED BY
THEIR CHILDREN BEING SENT TO THE COUNTRY THEY FLED FROM IN
THE FIRST PLACE.
RECENTLY YOU MAY HAVE ALL SEEN THE NEWS THAT THERE'S BEEN CONFIRMATION THAT THERE WOULD
BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN
DEPORTATIONS AMONG LAU AND OTHER ETHNIC PEOPLE WITH THE
MOVE ARE
ORDERED TO ALLOWS THIS WILL HAVE A DEVASTATING IMPACT ON HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES AND
PERHAPS THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS RELATED TO THOSE
FAMILIES IN OUR STATE. SINCE
THE NEWS CAME OUT IN
EARLY FEB 3 OVER 100 COMMUNITY IMPACTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE
TO REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE.
THIS INCLUDES SPOUSES SIBLINGS; PARENTS AND CHILDREN OF THOSE
WITH DEPORTATION ORDERS.
MINNESOTA IS HOME TO OVER
160;000 SOUTHEAST ASIANS HALF
MORE THAN AND WHO CAME TO THE UNITED STATES AS REFUGEES FLEEING POLITICAL PERSECUTION
FROM THE COUNTRY OF BIRTH AND OR THE THE PARENTS
COUNTRY OF BIRTH. WE CANNOT IGNORE THIS CRISIS AND NEITHER
CAN YOU. MOST OF THE SOUTHEAST ASIANS WITH DEPORTATION ORDER CAME TO
THE US AS YOUNG CHILDREN AND MANY OTHER MANY OF THEM ARE IN
THIS ROOM TO
A GROWING UP IN MINNESOTA THEY COULD BARELY SPEAK THE LANGUAGE
OF THEIR PARENTS HOME COUNTRY
AND HAVE NO BE A FAMILY IT WILL
BE OUR RELATIONSHIPS IN THOSE
COUNTRIES. ALL HAVE ALREADY SERVED THEIR SENTENCES AND ARE BEING PERSECUTED FOR CRIMES
FROM DECADES AGO
SOME OF THE CASES ARE 30 YEARS
OLD MOST WERE IN THE TEENS POR
AND ABLE TO AFFORD PRIVATE
ATTORNEYS AND TOOK PLEA DEALS NOT KNOWING THAT THEY HAD
AGREED TO A LIFE SENTENCE OF
DEPORTATION. TODAY THEY HAVE
FAMILY; US CITIZEN CHILDREN AND STRONG ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL
CONNECTIONS
INNOCENT TO OUR SOUTHEAST ASIAN COMMUNITY MEMBERS DESERVE THE REDEMPTION IN A SECOND CHANCE
LIKE ANY OTHER AMERICAN.
IN 2006 STEEN YOU'LL RECALL THAT WE WHAT WE SUPPORT A
RELEASE
A LOCAL CAMPAIGN OF IMPACTED FAMILY MEMBERS FIGHTING TO KEEP THEIR LOVED ONES FROM BEING
DEPORTED TO CAMBODIA.
LAST SESSION MY COLLEAGUE GAVE EMOTIONAL TESTIMONY ABOUT THE
IN EXCESS OF BILITY AND
UNFAIR IMPACTS BUT THE CURRENT POST CONVICTION RELIEF SYSTEM
HAS ON REFUGEES WERE
BEING DETAINED AND DEPORTED ON
THE BASIS OF CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS THAT CURRENT TIME THEY ARE FILING PETITIONS FOR
RELIEF LEAVES OUT THIS COMMUNITY WHO DESERVES TO
CHALLENGE THEIR CONVICTIONS BUT WERE NOT INFORMED OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO IN A
TIMELY MANNER.
A HOSTILE 3; 9;
7; 5; ADDRESSES THIS PROBLEM
AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE ALL HERE
TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION
NOW AS PAYING TO TALK ABOUT
HER STORY.
>> THANK YOU AND THEN BE FREE TO USE FOR YOUR FOR THOSE OF
YOU THAT THEY'RE
WELL THE OVERFLOW ROOM AS SOMEONE 81 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FIND A PLACE TO SIT THERE TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN YOUR TESTIMONY
AND STATE YOUR
NAME PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS PAYING BANG AND THEY LIVE IN MAPLEWOOD WITH MY
HUSBAND AND 5 CHILDREN; THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS
FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
AND CURRENTLY A GRADUATE STUDENTS PURSUING A DOCTORATE AS A PRIMARY CARE
NURSE PRACTITIONER.
I AM AN IMPACT IN MEMBER OF THE
COMMUNITY AND I'M HERE TO SHARE MY STORY TO EXPRESS SUPPORT TO
THE POST CONVICTION RELIEF.
MY HUSBAND AT
THE AGE 9 ARRIVED IN MINNESOTA
IN 1989 WITH THIS FAMILY
AS REFUGEES; HE'S HIS FATHER
SERVED IN SECRET WERE IN THE HOUSE A WAR THAT THE US CIA ORGANIZED BECAUSE THE GROUPS
AMONG TRIBES MEN TO FIGHT
DURING THE VIETNAM WAR.
BECAUSE OF OUR HELP IN THE WAR
WE WERE NO LONGER SAFE TO
REMAIN IN THAT'S LIKE MANY NEW REFUGEES; MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY
STRUGGLED WITH ADJUSTING TO A NEW WORLD WHILE GRIEVING THE
LOSS OF FAMILY MEMBERS WHO DIE FIGHTING AS WELL AS DIED TRYING TO ESCAPE CLOSE IN THE
AFTERMATH. ALONG WITH A NEW
ENVIRONMENT REFUGEE FAMILIES ALSO STRUGGLED WITH RACISM AND
BULLYING.
BOYS AT THE TIME CAME TOGETHER
TO PROTECT ONE ANOTHER FROM
VIOLENCE FROM OTHER GROUPS PEOPLE THAT WERE LABELED AS GAY
MEMBERS ARE A MENACE TO SOCIETY. SOME OF THE BOYS FOR
FAMILY MEMBERS WHO GREW UP TOGETHER AT THE AGE OF 17 MY
HUSBAND MADE A MISTAKE.
HE WAS THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE AND THERE WAS A
SHOOTING HE
WAS CONVICTED A CRIME AND HE WAS OFFERED THE EXTENDED JURY JUVENILE JURISDICTION; E J K
PROGRAM.
HE WAS NOT AWARE OF WHAT THIS
REALLY MEANT UNDERSTOOD THAT HE WOULD BE SENT TO PENNSYLVANIA
FOR 18 MONTH PROGRAM. HE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE
PROGRAM AND RETURNED HOME.
IN 2000 VALUES; NOT HOME HIS COUSINS WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS HIM OVER TO HIS HOUSE THE
PROBATION OFFICER
SHOWED UP WHEN MY HUSBAND CAME
HOME THE PROBATION OFFICER TOLD
HIM HE WAS IN VIOLATION OF HANGING OUT WITH OLD FRIENDS
WHO OR.
AND THAT WAS A VIOLATION OF THE
TERMS OF THE E
J J PROGRAM WHERE VIOLATIONS COULD BE A MINOR IS HANGING OUT WITH OLD FRIENDS OR TO
COMMITTING ANOTHER CRIME.
AS A VIOLATION OF THE E J J PROGRAM HE WAS THEN SENTENCED
AS AN ADULT FOR 18 MONTHS.
IT HAS BEEN 23 YEARS SINCE THE INCIDENT HAS CHANGED OUR LIVES. HE HAS PAID HIS DEBT TO SOCIETY
SERVED TIME AND IT'S CHANGED HIS LIFE AROUND HOWEVER HE HAS AN ORDER FOR REMOVAL TO BE
DEPORTED TO
THE HOUSE AT ANY MOMENT AND IT
IS REQUIRED TO CHECK IN NEARLY TIED. THIS EVEN HANS OUR FAMILY
EVERY DAY.
>> FIGHTS WE TO DEPORTATION AT
ANY TIME.
MY HUSBAND IS A LOVING
FAMILY WHO TAKES GREAT CARE OF HIS WIFE AND KIDS AND EXTENDED
FAMILY MEMBERS.
HE SUPPORTED ME AND DANCING PROFESSIONALLY. HE IS THIS TIME
AND FOR A GOOD BROTHER AND
THEIR FRIEND TO MANY.
HE SPENDS HIS FREE TIME
VOLUNTEERING AND DONATING HIS TIME THE COMPUTER EQUIPMENT AS A WAY TO CONTRIBUTE BACK TO COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT
SERVE IMMIGRANTS.
HE THEN ACTIVELY ENGAGED FATHER WHO PLAYED AND COACHED SOCCER WITH HER BOYS IN TAKE OUR DAUGHTERS TO SPORTS AND DANCE
CLASS.
HERE TO DEGREE IN COMPUTER
NETWORKING SOFTWARE ENGINEERING AND WENT ON TO OWN HIS OWN I T
BUSINESS AND CONSULTING. HE HAD MENTORED NUMEROUS COLLEGE STUDENTS AND PROVIDING
COMPUTER INTERNSHIPS.
HIS PURSUIT OF PASSION AND HIS
AND HAS ENCOURAGED ME TO DO
THIS A COMMITTEE MEMBERS I'M ASKING
YOU TO CONSIDER GIVING END
OF IT LIKE MY HUSBAND; A SECOND CHANCE; SO THAT OUR FAMILY CAN
STATES. AND CONTINUE TO MAKE A POSITIVE
IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU COULD MAYBE MEMBERS IN CHAIR FOR ALLOWING ME TO
SHARE MY STORY. >> THANK YOU MISS BANG FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY.
THE NEXT TESTIFY AND IF YOU WANT TO AGAIN AND STATE YOUR
NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS MAGGIE SHEEHY AND I'M A STUDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF MINNESOTA LAW SCHOOL AND
PART OF THE BIGGER CENTER FOR
>> KUNTZ REPRESENT THE
INTERESTS OF THE POST
CONVICTION RELIEF COALITION; WHICH IS MADE UP OF OVER 20 ORGANIZATIONS LISTED ON THE
DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU.
>> POST CONVICTION RELIEF AS A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO CHALLENGE THE LEGALITY OR CONSTITUTIONALITY
OF
CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS IT IS A REMEDY AVAILABLE TO ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A
CRIME IN MINNESOTA A FILING A
PETITION FOR POST-CONVICTION RELIEF IS A REQUEST TO THE JUDGE REVIEWED THE CONVICTION
FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL OR LEGAL
DEFECT FOR RELIEF TO BE GRANTED
SOMEONE MUST SHOW THAT THEIR CONVICTION OR SENTENCE WAS
ILLEGAL OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
HOWEVER THE CURRENT STATUTE REQUIRES A CLAIM TO BE BROUGHT
WITHIN 2 YEARS OF CONNECTION; THIS IS
ONE OF THE STRICTEST TIME LIMITS IN THE REGION; SOME
STATES DON'T EVEN HAVE TIME
LIMITS. THE LAW PROVIDES
EXCEPTIONS THOUGH IN ORDER TO
RECOGNIZE THAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF A CONVICTION MAY NOT BECOME APPARENT UNTIL YEARS FOR
DECADES LATER.
THIS IS THE CASE BUT THE EVER
SHIFTING WORLD OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR PEOPLE
TO BE UNAWARE THAT THEIR CRIME CAN LEAD TO DEPORTATION UNTIL MANY YEARS AND SEVERAL
ADMINISTRATIONS LATER. ADDING
THIS NARROW EXCEPTION TO THE 2 YEAR TERM I WOULD ALLOW THOSE PRESENTLY FACING DEPORTATION AS
A RESULT OF OLD DEFECTED
CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS
13 ALLIANCE ON INADEQUATE IMMIGRATION ADVICE; THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR
CONVICTIONS REVIEWED.
THIS IS A PARTICULAR CONCERN TO
MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO
ARE REFUGEES. MANY OF WHOM CAME
TO THE UNITED STATES AS YOUNG CHILDREN REFUGEES BY VIRTUE OF THEIR PARENTS DECISION TO THIS
IS TO SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES
IN A WAR FOUGHT OVER 4 DECADES AGO. AND NOW FACE DEPORTATION TO COUNTRIES THEY HAVE NEVER
SET FOOT IN.
TAKE THE STORY OF MISTER TRAN A REFUGEE WHO CAME TO THE UNITED
STATES IN HER EARLY 1990'S BUT WAS CONVICTED
OF A DRUG CRIME AS A YOUNG ADULT IN ORDER TO COURT IT TO VIETNAM AFTER RECEIVING INACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT THE IN IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES
OF
HIS SENTENCE. HOWEVER AT THE TIME THE UNITED STATES WAS NOT
DEPORTING PEOPLE TO VIETNAM. SO MISTER TRAN REMAINS AND
KILLED HIS LIFE IN
MINNESOTA NOW DEPORTATION TO
VIETNAM IS IMMINENT AND MISTER TRIBE HAS DISCOVERED THAT HIS PLEA WAS INSUFFICIENT TO
WARRANT HIS CONVICTION.
HE CANNOT APPLY FOR POST
CONVICTION BECAUSE HE IS
OUTSIDE THE 2 YEAR TIME LIMIT
THIS EXCEPTION WOULD SIMPLY PROVIDE MISTER TRON AND OTHERS LIKE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR CONVICTIONS WITH
YOU. THANK YOU.
>> NO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GO AHEAD AND CERTAIN SAY YOUR
NAME FOR
THE RECORD. >> A GOOD VICE CHAIR; ABLE SON
AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS WHAT HIS HAVE A AN ASSISTANT RAMSEY
COUNTY ATTORNEY.
RAMSEY COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS
LONG RECOGNIZED THE IMPACT OF
COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE A BEEN INVOLVED
IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.
WE LEARNED HARD DECISIONS AT
THE LOCAL LEVEL CAN LEAD TO
A DISPROPORTIONATELY AND JUST RESULT IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION
COURT. IN ORDER FOR A JUSTICE SYSTEM
TO BE TRULY JUST. IT'S OUR JOB
TO ENSURE. THAT CONSEQUENCES
FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. OUR FAIR
AND PROPORTIONATE.
THE RAMSEY COUNTY
OFF THAT RAMSEY COUNTY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PROSECUTORS
ARE REQUIRED. AS MINISTERS
OF JUSTICE TO CONSIDER THE IMPACTS AND TO SEEK TO MITIGATE
COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES. IN PLEA NEGOTIATIONS AND
SENTENCINGS.
WHERE PEOPLE ARE FACING UNJUST AND DISPROPORTIONATE
CONSEQUENCES.
THERE ARE A FEW MORE
COMPELLING REASONS TO MITIGATE THEN SITUATIONS WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL IS FACING
DEPORTATION.
PEOPLE IN THESE SITUATIONS.
FULLY UNDERSTAND OR DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY
OF THE COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES
UNTIL
LONG AFTER UNDER THE TWO-YEAR STATUTORY WINDOW TO PETITION
FOR POST-CONVICTION RELIEF HAS
CLOSED.
SO THEIR MOTIONS ARE BARRED BY
TIME.
THIS PREVENTS THE MOTION FROM BEING GIVEN DUE CONSIDERATION
BY THE COURTS.
COMMUNITY MEMBERS ADVOCATES AND
PEOPLE DIRECTLY AFFECTED HAVE
INCREASED. OUR AWARENESS
AND HAVE INFORMED OUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF BEING HEARD ON POST CONVICTION
RELIEF.
THE RAMSEY COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STRONGLY SUPPORTS THIS
EFFORT TO PROVIDE
A CLEAR UNIFORM STATEWIDE PROCESS FOR LAWFUL RESIDENTS OF
THE UNITED STATES
FACING DEPORTATION TO HAVE
THEIR MOTIONS FOR POST CONVICTION RELIEF CONSIDERED BY
A JUDGE WHO CAN CARE WE EXAMINE
THE FACTS OF THEIR CASE
AND DETERMINED WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO LEGAL RELIEF THAT CAN IMPACT THEIR
STANDING IN FEDERAL COURT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE
HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE OLMSTEAD COUNTY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED THEIR SUPPORT FOR
THIS PROPOSED LEGISLATION.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THIS
TESTIMONY. THANK YOU
MISTER SINATRA MEMBERS WERE
GOING TO GO DIRECTLY TO QUESTIONS. REPRESENTATIVE
FLASH.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND A
CHAIR MARY ANN E I. >> FOR SAY I'VE SUPPORTED THIS
BILL IN HALF JUST A REALLY
IMPORTANT BILL. WHAT WAS STATED
BY THE TEST TO FIRES. THE
TESTIMONY IS COMPELLING.
IT WAS COMPELLING IN YEARS PAST
I KNOW THAT IT'S IN THE
POSSESSION OF MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND MAKE SURE WE GIVE
THIS A HEARING GET BACK HERE.
WITHIN A SHORT AMOUNT OF
TIME AS POSSIBLE. SO WE CAN
MAKE SURE IF YOU NEED DEADLINE SO UH I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE
BIT OF A HICCUP WITH IT BEING HERE AND A SNAKE IN TAKING OFFICIAL ACTION ON IT; BUT YOU
CAN BE ASSURED THAT WE WILL MAKE SURE WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS IN THE NEXT WEEK
OR 2 IF YOUR CHURCH.
>> LET'S GET TO HEAR
REPRESENTATIVE PLUS ARROW.
>> I THINK YOU MENTOR AND MY QUESTION IS TO THE BILL AUTHOR
I HEARD MULTIPLE NONE OF THAT'S FIRES REFERENCE THE 2 YEARS.
A STATUTE
OF LIMITATIONS. AND I'M JUST FOR FIRST QUESTION OF THE 2 QUESTIONS IS GOING TO CARE OF
PATIENTS. I DON'T SEE IN THE
LANGUAGE HERE 2 POINT LINES 62002.9 I DON'T SEE ANY CHANGE IN THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS
IS THAT.
IN MY RING THE BELL CORRECT THAT THIS THE 2 YEARS ISN'T
GOING TO CHANGE
TERM AREA. >> A MATCH AIR WRAPS INTO THE CELL THAT'S CORRECT BUT WE'RE DOING IS ADDING THAT EXCEPTION.
TO THE THE TWO-YEAR
A BAR. SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE
ONE THROUGH 5 THAT SUCH AS THIS WOULD BE THE 6 THAT SECTION
THAT SIROTA PARTICULARLY ON THIS IMMIGRATION RELATED
>> A REPRESENTATIVE WITH
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR; OKAY; SO JUST IF YOU CAN THAT JUST NOT SO THIS WILL BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE TWO-YEAR TAX OF THEM
PATIENTS; WHAT
I'M UNDERSTANDING. >> MADAM CHAIR; YES; HIM ALONG WITH THE OTHER ONE THROUGH 5
SEPARATE INCIDENTS OF REPRESENTATIVE SARA. >> AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR TO
CHAIR MARY ANY. SO AS I UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING WHICH
HERE.
HOW WOULD POST CONVICTION RELIEF AT THE STATE LEVEL HAVE
AN IMPACT TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF
IMMIGRATION LAWS ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL BECAUSE IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THEY'RE STILL GOING
TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS. OF WHATEVER ENFORCEMENT THEY
MAY OR MAY NOT
BE TAKING. HOW WOULD POST
CONVICTION RELIEF IMPACT THAT PROCESS.
>> MARY AND HER CHILD THAT
PERCENT OF A DOLLAR FUND AS BASICALLY A WAY TO THINK ABOUT
THIS IS THAT OUR FEDERAL.
HUTCHENS ARE BASICALLY I'M
RIDING ON THE BACKS OF DECISIONS OF THE STATE THE
COMEBACK SHOWS.
>> WHAT WE CAN CONTROL.
THE RELIEF FROM
THOSE CONVICTIONS WHITNEY AND THEY ARE OUR HOPE AND EXPECTATION IS THAT WITH THAT
REALLY PROVIDE A SAFE LEVEL
THEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHOUT RIDE ON THE BACK OF THE
STATE'S A A
CONVICTION DECISION THERE MAY
WELL BE OTHER FACTORS THAT THE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT A GOVERNMENT THEY PURSUE RELATIVE TO THE DEPORTATION. THE CITIES.
>> CHECK THIS AREA
TO COME IF I TURN OUT >> IF THAT'S WHAT THE FOLKS
THAT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE
THE THE EXCEPTION LANGUAGE HERE AND INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF >> THIS IS THIS IS NOT GOING TO
AUTOMATICALLY RESOLVED. THOUGH THEIR LEGAL STANDING IN FEDERAL
IMMIGRATION COURT. THIS WILL DO
A COUPLE OF PRIMARILY IS THAT
IT WILL OPEN UP A SERIES OF
DEFENSES TO
THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR IMMIGRATION PROCEEDINGS; THEY MAY STILL HAVE AN UPHILL A
LEGAL BATTLE AHEAD OF THEM. BUT IT GIVES HIM
STANDING TO PRESENT CERTAIN
DEFENSE IT
IN SEOUL. IT SIGNIFICANTLY
IMPROVES THE LEGAL STANDING OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS JUST TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT THEIR THE FOR THE
FEDERAL TRIBUNAL.
>> THANK YOU MISTRESS ABOUT I GUESS ALSO GOOD TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OPINION ON THE SO
THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE LASH.
>> I DON'T WANT TO JUMP IN LIME
AND SHARE SO IF THERE'S ANY
WELL SO YOU ARE IT IS NOT MADAME CHAIR; MISUSE OF AGE OR
IT'S BEEN. AT LEAST 20 YEARS SINCE I'VE
DONE ANY KIND OF IMAGE AND A LOT CAN YOU TELL
ME REMIND ME IS
THE PREDICATE
FOR THE FED'S IS IT THE CONVICTION OR IS IT THE
ADMISSION ON THE RECORD OF THE FACTS IN STATE COURT MISTER
SINATRA.
MADAM
REPRESENTED LESS.
>> YOU KNOW WE START TO GET INTO THE WEEDS VERY BECAUSE
IMMIGRATION A LOT IS
SO COMPLEX BUT IT'S IT'S REALLY FULFILLS IT'S THE THE ADMISSION
ON
THE RECORD. EVEN IN CASES WHERE THERE IS NO STATE COURT
CONVICTION. THE ADMISSION
ITSELF CAN HAVE IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES SO FOR EXAMPLE;
SOMEBODY
WHO'S DIVERTED. AND GIVEN AN
OPPORTUNITY A SECOND CHANCE IN
STATE COURT. THEY SUCCESSFULLY COMPLY WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS
OF WHATEVER THAT DIVERSION PROGRAM IS AND THEN THEIR CASES
SUBSEQUENTLY DISMISSED.
MAY STILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES
BECAUSE THEY MADE AN ADMISSION
ON THE RECORD. AND IT IT THE FREQUENTLY IS THE CONVICTION
THAT RECORD
OF CONVICTION. BUT SOMETIMES IT'S THE ADMISSION ON THE FACTS
EVEN WHEN THERE ISN'T
A CONVICTION.
>> SO MEN SHOULD PICK A
PRESIDENT LIKE YOU MISTER SAAVEDRA AND THAT'S THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE I WONDER ABOUT THIS AND HAS A LOT TO DO WITH
WHAT WE EXPECT OF OUR PROSECUTORIAL AUTHORITIES TO
WHETHER IT BE THE CITY THAT
WHAT IF THERE'S NOT EVEN A
MISSION ON THE RECORD. BUT WHAT
IF A A AN INDIVIDUAL IS
DIVERTED. AND YOU SIGN ONE OF SEE WIPES THERE COULD YOU KNOW
CONTINUES TO PROSECUTION CAN
THAT CAN THAT BE USED BY THE
FEDS AS WELL MISTER SINATRA.
MADAM CHAIR TERM UNLESS
A THAT.
>> YES IN SOME THAT CAN BE USED AND AGAIN THIS IS WHERE WE START TO GET INTO SOME
COMPLICATED AREAS OF
IMMIGRATION LAW BUT IN THAT
THE. EXTRINSIC FOR EXAMPLE OF SUCH AN AGREEMENT THE 4
CONTINUES
WITHOUT PROSECUTION; WHICH IS FREQUENTLY A TOOL USED IN
MINNESOTA. TO
RESOLVE CASES. SOMETIMES IT CAN
BE AS MUCH AS A YOU KNOW THE A PROBABLE CAUSE FINDING ON A
CHARGE.
SOMETIMES IT CAN BE LIKE POLICE
REPORTS.
AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS LIKE
THE THINGS THAT CAN JEOPARDIZE
AND THE PEOPLE STANDING AND BECAUSE OF THAT COMPLEXITY ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING
AT OLDER CONVICTIONS
GOING BACK 5 YEARS OR 10 YEARS
OR IN SOME CASES A DECADES
BACK.
THE UNDERSTANDING ABOUT SOME OF
THESE COMPLICATED ISSUES WAS
NOT
PROPERLY ARTICULATED TO AN
INDIVIDUAL UNDER THE
6TH GIVEN GIVING THEM GIVING INDIVIDUALS IN THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM IN MINNESOTA. THE KNOWLEDGE TO
BE ABLE TO MAKE A AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT THE
SORT OF CONSEQUENCES THAT MIGHT
FLOW FROM THAT CONVICTION IN
STATE COURT. SO PEOPLE WERE
FLYING
AND A NEW IT WAS ONLY IN THE
LAST. 10 OR 12 YEARS THAT
THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN.
IN
IN THE EXPECTATION OF PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND DEFENSE ATTORNEYS
TO ADVISE THEIR CLIENTS TO BE
ABLE TO INFORM THEM FULLY ABOUT THOSE CONSEQUENCES AND EVEN IN
THOSE CASES; SOME OF
THESE COMPLEXITIES REALLY STAND IN THE WAY OF AN INDIVIDUAL SOMETIMES FULLY KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING THE CONSEQUENCES
OF THOSE CONVICTIONS.
>> THINK TAKE YOU ABOUT YOUR LAST QUESTION IF I COULD JUST
AND IF
THIS IS. EQUALLY AS COMPLICATED YOU CAN JUST LET ME KNOW IT'S JUST A DANGER; BUT YOU KNOW
UNTIL 2013; WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY
GENERALLY A NEXT BUDGET LAWS THAT APPLIED TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH EITHER
THE BCA RECORDS. SO NOW THAT
WE DO. AND
LET'S SAY YOU GET AN EXPUNGEMENT AS WE KNOW YOU CAN
EXPUNGE MEANT.
THE CONVICTION OF 2 SEALS IT.
>> COULD THOSE BE USED TO
EXPUNGE RECORDS AS WELL IN THE
SAME KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT YOU JUST SPOKE OF ITS UNITED SO THAT'S ENOUGH OF AN ANSWER FOR
ME I THINK MISTER SINATRA.
>> MADAME REPRESENTED LAST. SO THE EXPUNGEMENT THE CEILING
A RECORD.
IF THE RECORD IS NOT A RACE; IT'S STILL EXIST; AND IT'S
STILL ACCESSIBLE TO
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY INCLUDING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES SO THEY CAN SEE
RIGHT THROUGH THAT SEAL. SO ABSOLUTELY NO
EFFECT.
IN TERMS OF TRYING TO IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES
INDIVIDUALS HAVE TRIED.
IT'S IT'S VERY CLEAR
THAT HAS NO MEANINGFUL WHICH IS
WHY I THINK THIS OF RELIEF IS
BEING PROPOSED IN PART BECAUSE UH WE DON'T HAVE OTHER REMEDIES IN STATE
LAW THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO
INDIVIDUALS HAVE CONVICTIONS REEXAMINED STATE
COURT JUDGE. THANK YOU.
REPRESENTATIVE LONG. THANK
MADAME
>> ONE OF THE FIRST THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY AN INCREDIBLY MOVING AND POWERFUL
I THINK IF THAT'S NOT AN
INSTANCE THAT CAUSE UP EARLY FOR YOUR FAMILY; I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IS SO THANK YOU
FOR BEING HERE. MY QUESTION IS
FOR MISTER SON TO YOU HE STARTED TO TOUCH ON THIS IN RESPONSE TO THAT REPRESENT LESS QUESTION BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT
IN.
CIRCUMSTANCES WE'RE LOOKING BACK 1520 YEARS AGO; WHAT MIGHT
HAVE BEEN THE PRACTICE FOR A
PUBLIC DEFENDER. PROSECUTOR TO
HELP ADVISE CLIENTS IN THOSE
SITUATIONS COMPARED NOW; I'M SO
THAT'S ONE FACTOR AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A CHANGE IN IMMIGRATION SYSTEMS OVER
THAT
TIME SO COUNTRIES WHERE THEY MIGHT OUT OF THE PORTED TO IN
THE PAST NOW THEY'RE
DEPORTING 2. AND IF YOU FACTOR THOSE 2 THINGS TOGETHER THEN YOU HAVE CONSEQUENCES THAT
REALLY WORK AND
10 DIDN'T WORK PRESENTED TO AT
THE TIME WHEN THEY WERE.
HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THEIR WHAT THEIR SENSES WORK THAT YOU HELPED BRING THAT UP A
LITTLE BIT MISTER SAVITT.
>> MADAM CHAIR
REPRESENTED LONG. IF WE LOOK BACK AT THE PRACTICES AND THE
EXPECTATIONS UNDER THE RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE IN THE STATE
OF MINNESOTA. THERE WAS A TIME NOT THAT LONG AGO WHERE IT WAS
ENOUGH TO TELL US AND
A DEFENDANT.
>> YOUR PLEA IN STATE COURT. THE WAY THAT YOU RESOLVE YOUR
CASE IN STATE COURT. MAY HAVE
IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THAT WAS
IT WAS ENOUGH TO SAY THAT.
NOW THAT THE PRACTICE IS MUCH DIFFERENT NOW BUT THE COMPLEXITY I THINK HAS
CERTAINLY INCREASED.
THIS WAS ALLUDED TO IN IN SOME OF THE STATEMENTS BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE THIS EVENING
THE PRACTICES AROUND
ENFORCEMENT HAVE BEEN CHANGING
SO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE.
OLD CONVICTIONS WHO HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ASKED OF
THEM AS
PROSECUTORS AND AS CORRECTIONS
AND AS THE STATE HAS
OBLIGATED THEM. THEY'VE SERVED A THEIR TIME OR THEY'VE PAID
THEIR CONSEQUENCE.
AND MANY YEARS THAT THE
ARE LEARNING THAT THEY MAY
STILL BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL
CONSEQUENCES THEY DIDN'T TO INTEREST PATE AND SOME OF
THOSE CASES INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN HAVE. >> OLDER REMOVAL ORDERS THAT
WERE TRIGGERED BY THESE CONVICTION. >> BUT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN UNABLE TO.
EFFECT
OR EXECUTE THOSE REMOVAL ORDERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE
REPATRIATION AGREEMENTS WITH A NUMBER OF COUNTRIES AROUND THE
WORLD.
THE FEDERAL IT IS MAKING CONCERTED EFFORTS TO ESTABLISH
THE FORMAL
AND INFORMAL. REPATRIATION AGREEMENTS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE
TO EXECUTE THOSE.
OLD. SOMETIMES A FEW YEARS OLD
SOMETIMES DECADES OLD.
AND IN MANY TIMES FOR
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE.
LONG AGO LEFT BEHIND THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. AND SO I I WON'T BELABOR THAT
ISSUE I THINK THAT'S BEEN.
MUCH
IT'S BEEN SENT MUCH BETTER MY OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE NIGHT.
AND THAT COMPLEXITY I THINK WE'RE JUST STARTING WERE STILL
I THINK IN
MINNESOTA COURTS. IN AN
EVOLUTION OF DELIVERING I THINK
MORE CLEAR ADVICE TO INDIVIDUAL
DEFENDANTS SO THAT THEY
HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSEQUENCES THAT MAY COME
FROM THAT CONVICTION. BUT WE
HAVE A HISTORY IN ITS RECENT HISTORY OF INDIVIDUALS GETTING
INADEQUATE ADVICE. AND I THINK ANYBODY WHO HAS WORKED IN
MINNESOTA COURTS. WOULD
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
THAT WE DIDN'T PLAY VERY WELL.
10 YEARS AGO AND INDIVIDUALS
NOW HOW ARE ARE PAYING A PRICE
THAT WAS UNANTICIPATED THAT THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF AND
THIS IS A ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT THE OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY
JOHN CHOI.
IT IS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT AND
THAT'S THE THE THE CONCEPT OF PROPORTIONALITY THAT THE CONSEQUENCE SHOULD FIT THE
CRIME.
AND THIS IS WHERE IT REALLY
STARTS TO GET
OUT ABOUT IT'S THIS LEGISLATION IS INTENDED TO TRY TO PUT THE FINGER BACK ON THE SCALE TO GET US BACK TO
BALANCE. REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT
ME.
>> THANK YOU BY SIR; ELTON AND
MISTER SONATA IF THIS IS BEEN 20 YEARS THAT THIS HAS BEEN
GOING ON.
JUST GETTING AROUND TO COMING UP WITH THE PROCEDURE NOW THAT
MIKE STOP THIS FROM BEING AN
ISSUE AND THIS IS SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S CONCENTRATED
IN
RAMSEY COUNTY. IN RAMSEY
COUNTY; HOW MANY CASES DO WE
HAVE PENDING BECAUSE FOR 20 YEARS. WE DIDN'T FIX SOMETHING
THAT WE KNEW WAS BROKE.
>> I
KNOW THAT IN MADAME
CHAIR; A REPRESENTATIVE UH I I
KNOW THAT THIS ISSUE IS A IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S
BEEN A HERE AT
THE LEGISLATURE. AND I THINK
PART OF THAT IS THAT THE WE
HAVEN'T
FULLY UNDERSTOOD THE SORT OF
COMMUNITY IMPACT THAT UH THAT UH HUH THESE CONSEQUENCES WOULD
HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY
YOU KNOW IN MY I INDICATED
HOW INFLUENTIAL
COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE INFORMING OUR UNDERSTANDING OF
THESE ISSUES IN THE
WAY THAT THE PRACTICES AND THE LAW AS IT STANDS IS AFFECTING
INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
INDIVIDUALS WHO.
WE AS PROSECUTORS HAVE NO INTEREST IN CONTINUING. THE
PROSECUTION OF THESE INDIVIDUALS; THEY PAID THEIR
PRICE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM MOVE ON AND CONTINUE TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE MEMBERS IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
AND THIS IS A I THINK TAKING US
BACK.
AND FORCING US TO REVISIT
THESE CASES AGAIN ITS ITS
GLARING HOW MUCH OF
A GAP IN OUR ABILITY TO
ADEQUATELY OF MINUTES TO
JUSTICE ON BEHALF OF INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY
EXIST IN OUR LAW OF ON POST CONVICTION RELIEF AS IT STANDS
AND SO I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE
LATE TO THE GAME. BUT I ALSO
UNDERSTAND
THE REVOLUTION IN OUR
UNDERSTANDING OF THESE
ISSUES HAS IN
RECENT YEARS. AND NOW WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S IN
PARTICULAR.
WITH A SEVERAL COUNTRIES
IN SOUTHEAST ASIA AND THE CONCENTRATION OF SOUTHEAST
ASIAN OF THE SOUTHEAST ASIAN
COMMUNITY HERE. AND A
MINNESOTA HAS A HISTORY OF WELCOMING PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
REFUGEES AND
ESCAPING PERSECUTION HAS BEEN
ONE OF THE LARGEST RECIPIENTS OF INDIVIDUALS AND THAT'S A
TRADITION THAT HAS UH OH I THINK WE'VE LONG BEEN PROUD OF
HERE IN MINNESOTA. MY UNDERSTANDING
IS THAT UH HUH RAMSEY COUNTY
RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE FROM THE
AMONG COMMUNITY; I'M
LOOKING AT THE REMOVAL OF BACK TO LAOS IS SOMEWHERE IN THE
RANGE OF 450 INDIVIDUALS AND
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF
I'M WRONG. AND AND SO IT IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS
IN IF BUT IF I
RECALL CORRECTLY; IT'S ONE OF
THE 5 STATES THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF A
SOUTHEAST ASIANS WERE
FACING CIRCUMSTANCES I THINK THE NUMBERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY
OR SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF
4;500 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THESE OLD CONVICTIONS IN WHO
HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN. THE LAW ABIDING INDIVIDUAL SINCE THE
TIME OF THEIR CONVICTION. THANK YOU MISS ABOUT RAW AND
ADAM TURNED
TO FIGHT. >> O THANK YOU; YES; I WAS LIKE LOOKING; YES; GO AHEAD IF I
COULD JUST ADD SOME IT REALLY
REGARDING THE TIME LIMIT I THINK IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
A GAP BETWEEN WHEN SOMEONE IS
CONVICTED AND AND NOW AND WHY DIDN'T THEY DO SOMETHING IN THAT TIME I THINK THE INCENTIVE TO CHALLENGE THE CONVICTION MAY
NOT HAVE
BEEN THERE FOR MANY PEOPLE
THEIR LAWYER MAY HAVE TOLD THEM I GOT YOU A GOOD DEAL ON THIS
AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO VERY MUCH TIME YOU'RE GOING
TO GET OUT AND BE ABLE TO BE
WITH YOUR FAMILY REALLY QUICKLY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT AT THE TIME SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN
INCENTIVE TO CHALLENGE THAT CONVICTION. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE NOW THE CASE NOW IS
THAT THEY'RE FACING IMMINENT DEPORTATION TO POSSIBLY A COUNTRY THAT THEY HAVE NEVER
BEEN IN
THERE THEY MAY HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THERE'S AN UNDERLYING
DEFECT IN THE CONVICTION.
>> VERY AREA.
>> THIS IS AN ISSUE
THAT THE UP SO OUTSIDE OF RAMSEY COUNTY AS WELL AS THE VERY FIRST CASE I HEARD THE
FIRST TIME I HEARD
ABOUT THIS. TURNED OF OUR FRIENDS. THE COLLECTIVE I
BELIEVE IS A DELIBERATELY.
CASE BELIEVE WAS A COUPLE COULD
GO TO A IN
THAT CASE. REGARDLESS OF WHERE
THE IMPACT NOT IT IS
A SOCIETY'S GO BEYOND THE
INDIVIDUAL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES CHILDREN SCHOOLS; THEIR SOCIAL NETWORKS; THEIR
PLACES OF WORK. YOU KNOW IT'S CENTRAL SO THE IMPACT WILL WILL
TEND TO BE
BIGGER THAN JUST A FEW 100 THE THE INTERSTATE AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE OUTSIDE OF OAKLAND
COUNTY
AS WELL.
>> THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTATIVE KNOW; BUT YOU HAVE TO AND I'M GOING TO ASK MEMBERS TO KEEP THEIR COMMENTS VERY BRIEF SO
THAT WE CAN KEEP MOVING ALONG HERE. THANK YOU. MISTER OF
THOSE.
SO THE QUESTION THAT THE HEAD WAS IF WE HAVE 450 DEPORTATION
ORDERS ARE READY. HOW MANY POTENTIALLY COULD WE END UP
WITH.
BEFORE WE GET TO A SITUATION WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN
ADVICE. THAT WOULD SAVE THEM FROM THESE
PLEA BARGAINS.
A MISTRESS A DRUG DO WANT TO
TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THAT SAID IT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER. MADAM CHAIR; BUT LOOK AT THE STAB AT
IT AND THIS IS A BETTER
AGAIN JUST. >> SORRY IF WE HAVE A LOT OF BILLS ON THE CALENDAR THAT AND
THE UH HUH.
IN OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS IN
THE LAST
12 MONTHS AS WE LOOKED AT IT IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN
THIS LEGISLATIVE
THAT WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE OBJECTIONS THAT WE REALLY GRAPPLED WITH IS YOU KNOW ARE WE OPENING A FLOODGATE HERE ARE
WE FIRING
UP THE YOU KNOW IF A FIRE HOSE AND OUR DETERMINATION IS THAT
IT'S A IT'S A FAIRLY NARROW.
A NUMBER OF CASES OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO COME BEFORE
THE MINNESOTA INDIVIDUALS.
YOU KNOW AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE A CONCENTRATION HERE AND A RAMSEY
COUNTY.
BUT THIS IS AN
ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO HIT HOME
ACROSS THE STATE OF BECAUSE OUR
IMMIGRANT AND A REFUGEE
COMMITTEES
OUR SOUL. THE INTEGRATED AND SUCH A VITAL PART IN SO MANY
COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE. AND SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO
BE A. SOME THAT'S GOING TO BE
CREATED BY HERE BY THIS
A CHANGE. BUT IT'S VERY CLEAR TO US HAS BEEN HENNEPIN COUNTY
IN PARTICULAR WAS A
WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF
POST CONVICTION
CASES THAT THEY LOOK AT WITHOUT THIS BUT THEY'VE AGREED TO IT AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE
LANGUAGE IS NARROWLY TAILORED
TO GIVE INDIVIDUALS RELIEF A WORD MAKES SENSE THAT IT
STILL SUBJECT TO JUDICIAL REVIEW AND CAN MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE WITHOUT OPENING A
FLOODGATE.
>> THE PRESIDENT ABOUT YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE ANSWER OKAY OP
REPRESENTATIVE WILL LASH.
>> IF I CAN BE FOR HIM AND I'M SURE ARE UPSET ABOUT ME ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD WAS TO GO ON FOR 3040 YEARS AND WE JUST
GET INTO A NOW FOR THE FIRST.
I GUESS 10 YEARS THEY SERVED UP
HERE. WELL; YOU
KNOW FOR 5060 70'S A'S; EVERYONE GOT ELECTED UP HERE BY GETTING TOUGH ON CRIME OKAY.
WE ADDED MORE AND MORE CRIMES ON TOP OF EACH
OTHER; AND NO ONE WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN ANY KIND OF
SECOND CHANCE OR COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES ISSUES. IT'S ONLY
THE LAST 10 YEARS THAT THIS LEGISLATURE STARTED TO LOOK IN A BIPARTISAN
LEVEL I
WOULD ADD AT WHAT HAVE WE
CREATED WAS THE MONSTER THAT
WE'VE CREATED THAT HAS CONSEQUENCES WELL BEYOND WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED AND
IT WAS FOR UPS AND
CARLY MOLINA WHO WAS HERE AT
THE EARLIER MEETING THIS AFTERNOON WHO FIRST BROUGHT THE
EXPUNGEMENT BILL TOOMEY IN 2000
8 TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN WHICH WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES WE STARTED TO SAY; LET'S
PUMP THE BRAKES
ON SOME OF THIS STUFF IT'S
HAVING CONSEQUENCES THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE WHICH IS WHY I THINK YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE
SOME OF THIS BUBBLE UP RIGHT
NOW IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED
BEFORE; BUT IT'S HAPPENING NOW BECAUSE THE AWARENESS THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THE CAPITAL BY
MANY GROUPS; SOME OF WHOM ARE
HERE TONIGHT AND OTHERS HAVE KIND OF FADED BUT THAT'S JUST
MY ANSWER FOR THAT.
>> THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE
FLASHED A LOT OF GOOD BILLS TAKE SOME TIME FOR A LONG TIME
SO I'M REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON.
MADAM CHAIR
AND MEN I JUST WANT TO REMIND
EVERYBODY THAT DEATH THIS BILL IS NOT IN THE POSSESSION OF THE COMMITTEE IT DOES HAVE TO COME
BACK HERE AND WE'VE SPENT
ALMOST AN HOUR ON THIS BILL AND WE HAVE 18 MORE TO GO ICE; I WOULD SUGGEST WE
JUST STOP RIGHT HERE TOO. BUT IT AWAY AND GET TO THE
BILLS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PRISON. >> REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON WILL
TAKE
PASTOR; YES; YES; BUT
NOT A.
>> I JUST GO TO COLLEGE THE PRESENCE OF PURPOSE THAT TOO STRONG A JOINT IS THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS THE NUMBER OF
CONSTITUENTS; THE FACT A
POTENTIALLY EFFECTIVE THIS
AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO UP THE
DISCUSSION OF JUDICIARY AND
SUBSEQUENTLY HERE THE COMMITTEE
REALLY APPRECIATE THE MEMBERS
AT THE TENSION ON FOCUS ON THE FINALS.
>> AND CIARAN GOING TO TAKE WE HAVE 2 MORE ATTORNEYS I THINK THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SAY
SOMETHING FROM OUR
THEY'RE GOING TO GET VERY REPRESENTATIVE AND SO AND THEN REPRESENTATIVE MUELLER THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR; ALWAYS
KEEP
IT SHORT. >> AND I WILL AGAIN AS WELL
JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY THERE PERCENT 90'S QUESTION RIGHT SO WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE
20 YEARS AGO. THERE WERE NOT
THE WARNINGS AND THAT THAT WASN'T THE SAME PROCESS THAT CON TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE REASON
WE CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT
WON'T BE THERE'S NOT THESE NEW
CASES BECAUSE NOW THERE ARE PEOPLE ARE WERE I THINK RATION
CONSEQUENCES IN FACT HAVE
HAVE TO ADVISE CLIENTS ANOTHER OTHERWISE; BUT THAT WASN'T THE
CASE 20 YEARS AGO AND SO THEN THE 2 YEARS PASSED AND YOU CAN'T CHALLENGE THE CONVICTION WE HEARD THE POWERFUL TESTIMONY; THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR SHARING
YOUR STORY. PEOPLE SO IT'S NOT
THAT THIS HAS BEEN SITTING
AROUND FOR 20 YEARS; WE JUST
HAVEN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO IT OVER THE 20 YEARS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LIVING THEIR LIVES HAVING THEIR CHILDREN DOING THEIR WORK DOING THEIR THING AND NOW
SUDDENLY THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS FOR
VARIOUS REASONS; PEOPLE WHO FOR
ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES ARE IN
OUR COMMUNITY AS EVERYBODY
ELSE'S SUDDENLY THEY'RE FACING
THESE DIRE CONSEQUENCES WHERE A
FATHER OF 5 KIDS IS SOMETHING
GOING TO BE SENT TO A COUNTRY THAT HE DOES KNOW THE LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR THAT THE REASON THE 20 YEARS IS NOT THE SPENCER
SITTING AROUND FOR 20 YEARS;
THE 20 YEARS WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT DON'T LIVE IN THEIR
LIVES. IT'S ONLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THIS IS REALLY REASON TO BE SUCH A HUGE
CONCERN
FOR FAMILIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH; THANK YOU CHAIR PINTO
VERY COMPLAINTS AT REPRESENTATIVE MUELLER.
>> THANK MADAM CHAIR; AND THE OTHER POINT JUST TO MAKE IS THAT HE WASN'T UNTIL 2005 THAT
WE EVEN HAD THAT 2 YEAR TIME SO
IT USED TO BE AN UNLIMITED
PERIOD OF TIME THE LEGISLATURE
NARROW THAT DOWN TO 2 YEARS IN 2005 SO THAT SENSE OF URGENCY JUST DIDN'T EXIST IN PREVIOUS YEARS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE
THAT TO YOUR TIME SIR.
>> AND REPRESENTATIVE OKAY THAT CHAIR MARY AN AD ANY FINAL
WORDS.
>> COMING UP THE RECESSION HIT. >> AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE LOOKING FOR TO HAPPEN THIS BILL THERE
THANK YOU.
>> DOLLARS
>> A NUMBER OF
PEOPLE ACT THAT APPRECIATE YOU
BEING HERE AS A WITNESS LIKE TO GET SOME WATER SO WE CAN KEEP
WITH THE
NEXT BILL I REPRESENT 15 YOU
HAVE HOUSE FILED 3 NOW AND
7; 6; AND YOUR MOTION IS
TO REFER. THE BILL TO THE
COMMITTEE OR
GOVERNMENT OPERATE THIS IS MY MOTION REPRESENTATIVES ARE YOUR
BILL IS BEFORE US. THANK YOU.
MISTER CHAIRMAN THANK
YOU MEMBERS. >> HAS FOUND 3976 IS ACTUALLY
THE CREATION OF A TASK FORCE
I'M SENSING FOR IN A BATTING
FELONY MURDERS.
GETTING
A BETTER MEANS YOU DO NEXT OCCUR AT THE TIME; BUT YOU'RE PART OF THE PROCESS OF
COMMITTING THE CRIME.
AGAIN
WHAT THIS DOES IS IT CREATES A TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT OUR
CURRENT STRUCTURE.
TREAT COLLECT ULTIMATELY MAKING
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE LEGISLATURE CONCERNING OUR
LAWS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE A A FAIRLY TRUNCATED
PERIOD OF TIME I BELIEVE IT'S
US CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR
6 MONTHS TO LOOK IN THAT WITH TASK FORCE THAT'S MADE UP OF 12
MEMBERS SELECTED
BY VARIOUS GROUPS INCLUDING A
ADVOCATES. A PUBLIC DEFENDER.
CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYERS
COUNTY ATTORNEYS WHO BY THE WAY
IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE SPILL. SEVERAL OTHER
INDIVIDUALS AND I.
I COULD PROBABLY TALK FOR ANOTHER 1015 MINUTES; BUT I
HAVE SOME EYES
ADVOCATES HERE THAT I'D LIKE
TO TURN AND OVER HAVE THEM IN THEIR TESTIMONY AND WELL LET'S
START WITH TIGHTNESS. TONY
TAYLOR.
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE
COMMITTEE TO SKATER.
>> GOOD EVENING
CHAIR AND MEMBERS THAT COMMITTEE MY NAME IS TONY CATER AND I'M HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU.
>> OUR STORY AND THE DISCOVERY
OF THE FELONY MURDER LAW IN
MINNESOTA. MY DAUGHTER SINCE
MAKING HITTER SHE IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A KIND PERSON WHO LOVES TO CARE FOR OTHERS.
SHE IS SMART FUNNY AND
WONDERFUL DAUGHTER.
A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN SHE WAS 19 SHE WAS SUFFERING FROM SUBSTANCE ABUSE SELF-MEDICATING
A TRAUMA. WE WEREN'T AWARE HAD
HAPPENED TO HER HER AND
HER FRIEND; ANNA SPENT A LOT OF
TIME TOGETHER BOTH IN THE THROES OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE RANA MEGAN HAD BEEN AT THEIR
FRIENDS.
AND DRUG DEALERS APARTMENT WITH
HIS GIRLFRIEND AND GRAHAM IS PRESCRIPTION BUT WAS ANTI
DEPRESSANTS ANTI SEIZURE MEDICATIONS.
>> WAS STOLEN WHEN GRANT HIS
REQUEST TO HAVE THAT MEDICATION RETURNED RETURN DOWN AND THE DRUG DEALER STARTED SELLING IT
ON SOCIAL MEDIA BRIANNA MEGHAN
DECIDED TO GO BACK AND GET IT
DURING THIS TIME THEY WERE CONTACTED BY THE EX-ROOMMATE OF THIS YOUNG MAN AND HE SHARED
WITH
ME AGAIN THAT HE HAD HAD SEVERAL ITEMS STOLEN BY THE
SAME PERSON AND WAS GOING TO
RETRIEVE THEM. AND THAT EVENING WITH A FRIEND THEY DECIDED TO
MEET UP AND GO TOGETHER. THEN ONE OF THE MEN DECIDED TO BRING ANOTHER FRIEND AND HIS
UNCLE.
THE GIRLS ENDED UP IN THE BACK STAIRWELL OF THE APARTMENT
BUILDING WITH 2 MEN THEY DID
NOT KNOW WHEN THE GIRL SAW THEM WITH HOODS UP AND PUTTING ON
THE RUBBER GLOVE; SO THEY SAID
THEY WANTED TO BACK OUT.
THEY WERE TOLD WITH A GUN DRAWN IF THEY DIDN'T GET THEM IN THE
APARTMENT THEY WOULD DIE. THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO GO
THROUGH WITH THE BURGLARY.
THESE 2 MEN BEAT THE YOUNG DRUG
DEALER AND ONE OF THE MEN MADE THEIR HORRIFIC DECISION TO SHOOT AND KILL THIS YOUNG MAN.
WHEN WE FOUND OUT WHAT HAPPENED
WE
WERE DEVASTATED. BUT NOTHING WOULD PREPARE US FOR WHAT WAS
ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
>> THEY WOULD BE CHARGED WITH THE CRIMES THEY HAVE COMMITTED.
WE HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS SUCH A
THING AS FELONY MURDER.
WE HAVE NO IDEA THAT IF ONE PERSON MAKES A TERRIFIC AN
AWFUL DECISION TO
KILL SOMEONE BUT ANYONE INVOLVED IN A DIFFERENT FELONY THE CHURCHES THAT THEY PULLED
THE TRIGGER. >> WHEN ALL 6 PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED THAT WERE INVOLVED
WERE CHARGED WITH FIRST-DEGREE MURDER. OUR ABILITY TO BREATHE SEEM TO
STOP.
HOW COULD THE 2 GUNMEN WHO WERE IN THE CAR OUTSIDE THE CHURCH
WITH
FIRST-DEGREE MURDER. HOW COULD MEGAN AND BRIANNA WHO HAD BEEN
VICTIMS OF GUN VIOLENCE
THEMSELVES THAT IT MADE TO LIE
ON THE FLOOR IN THE APARTMENT AS THEY WATCH THIS YOUNG MAN BEATEN AND KILLED THE CHURCH
WITH FIRST-DEGREE MURDER.
HOW WAS IT
POSSIBLE THAT THESE 2 YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAD NO CRIMINAL HISTORY HAD NOT HEARD ANYONE;
BUT WE'RE CHARGED THE SAME AS THE MAN WHO CHOSE TO BEAT AND
KILL THE VICTIM.
BRIANNA MEGAN DID NOT KILL ANYONE THEY DID NOT INTEND FOR
ANYONE
TO BE THEY NOW SUFFER FROM PTSD FROM WITNESSING SOMEONE THEY CARED ABOUT BEING BEATEN AND
KILLED.
THEY WERE CHARGED WITH HIS DEATH AND FACING A MANDATORY OF
LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.
IF THEY TOOK THAT THIS TO TRIAL WHEN WE FOUND OUT THE FIRST
PLEA DEAL WAS MADE TO THE SHOOTER. WE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT WAS HAPPENING. OUR ATTORNEYS SHARED WITH US THAT IN THEIR EXPERIENCE THIS WAS
TYPICAL.
YES; THE PERSON WHO IN FACT BEAT AND SHOT THIS YOUNG MAN
WAS GIVEN THE
FIRST DEAL MEGAN AND
BRIANNA DID TAKE A PLEA DEAL WHAT ARE THEIR OPTIONS BASED ON THE LAW AND ITS BREATH AND WITH
THE FALSE EQUIVALENCY IT ALLOWS
THEY WERE FORCED TO TAKE A PLEA DEAL FOR MURDER THEY WERE SENTENCED TO 15 AND HALF YEARS.
ONCE THEY WERE PLACED IN SHOCK OF P WE CLICK QUICKLY BECAME
AWARE THAT MANY WOMEN.
CURRENTLY AND FORMERLY A CHALK UP THE WOMEN'S PRISON TO HAVE
SIMILAR STORIES WOMEN WHO WERE NOT AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME
WHEN IT HAPPENED WHO WERE OUTSIDE WHEN THE MURDER HAPPENED WHO
PLAYED A PERIPHERAL FAST WHEN IT HAPPENED. AND YET THEY WERE CHARGED WITH THE MURDER THAT
SOMEONE ELSE THAT WE KNOW OF
MULTIPLE WOMEN WHO WERE
SENTENCED TO LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE AND FOR SOME THE KILLER
IN THEIR CASES RECEIVED PLEA DEALS. SOME WON'T GET OUT OF
PRISON AT
20 C THIS YEAR'S THESE WOMEN
WILL NOT DID NOT KILL ANYONE AND THEY WERE SENTENCED TO DEATH BY INCARCERATION ALSO
KNOWN AS LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.
NOW THEY WILL DIE
OF SHOCK. THE PIECE WOMEN'S PRISON; OUR EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE HAS MOSTLY BEEN ABOUT
THE WOMEN
BUT EACH DAY IT SEEMS I HEAR ANOTHER NEWS STORY OF A YOUNG
MAN SENTENCED UNDER FELONY
MURDER LAW YOUNG MAN WITH NO CRIMINAL HISTORY; NO INTENTION
TO KILL AND DID NOT DO SO.
I DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THE WRONG
IMPRESSION. I AM NOT SAYING THESE PEOPLE DID NOT MAKE
REALLY BAD CHOICES. I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD NOT
BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR
CHOICES AND IN
NO WAY AND MY DENYING OR MINIMIZING THE TRAUMA OF THE
VICTIMS OR THEIR FAMILIES. IT WAS WITHOUT SAYING THAT
THESE PEOPLE
ARE DEVASTATE THAT BY THESE AWFUL AND TRAGIC OFFENSE AT THE LACK OF PROPORTIONAL WITH THE
IN THESE LOTS CHARGES AND
SENTENCES
SEEMS ABSURD AND ACCORDING TO
THE ALLIANCE FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE TWICE AS MANY VICTIMS PREFER THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM TO USE REHABILITATION
INSTEAD OF PUNISHMENT.
AND IN THEIR STUDY THEY ALSO FOUND THAT MORE THAN HALF OF THE SURVIVORS OF SERIOUS
VIOLENT CRIMES WOULD PREFER A SYSTEM THAT DEALT WITH SHORTER
PRISON SENTENCES AND PROVIDE
MORE RESOURCES AND PREVENTION
AND REHABILITATION.
THIS TASK FORCE BRINGS TOGETHER
ALL STAKEHOLDERS FROM THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LOVED ONES
SENTENCED UNDER THESE LAWS AND VICTIM ADVOCATE ORGANIZATIONS TO THE SAME ROUND TABLE WELL
WITH THOSE WHO USE THESE LOSS AND SEE THEIR
EFFECTS IN
THEIR DAILY JOBS. WE BELIEVE TOGETHER AT ONE TABLE WE CAN
REVIEW THAT WAS THIS
JUST STATISTICS; THE USE THE
OUTCOMES AND TO DISCOVER IF MINNESOTA LAWS AS WRITTEN OFFER
THE BEST POSSIBLE USE FOR SAFER
MINNESOTA FOR A JUST AN ACT USE OF THE LOSS OF IMPRISONMENT
PEOPLE'S LIVES AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS THERE'S WE AS THE FAMILIES OF THOSE SERVING
EXCESSIVE LEON SENTENCES
FOR CRIMES; BUT SOMEONE ELSE COMMITTED PLEAD WITH YOU TO FORM THIS TASK FORCE REVIEW
THESE LAWS AND ALLOW THAT
THIS GROUP TO FIGURE OUT IF THESE LONG SENTENCES AND
OVERCHARGING I REALLY THE
BEST OPTION. THE BEST USE OF
TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO CREATE A
SAFER MINNESOTA. OR ARE WE JUST
SEEKING CONVICTIONS TO MY DAUGHTER BRIANA AND MANY OF
YOUNG WOMEN ATTORNEY SHAKA
P UNDER IN IRAQ AND THEY'RE
TAKING COLLEGE COURSES MENTORING OTHER WOMEN BE
PRODUCTIVE AND WORKING HARD. I HAVE RECEIVED MANY LETTERS
FROM WOMEN SHARING WITH ME. POSITIVE ROLE; MY DAUGHTER HAS
PLAYED IN HER LIFE;
THE INFLUENCE FOR GOOD. SHE HAS
DONE FOR THOSE AROUND HER THAT I CAN TELL YOU MINNESOTA IS NOT SAFER WITH MEGAN IN PRISON FOR
10 YEARS. MINNESOTA IS NOT
SAFER
WITH BRIANNA A MARINE OR INTERNET OR CAROL OR DON OR I
COULD GO ON; BUT I WON'T
AND THIS TIME MINNESOTA TAKE A LOOK AT THESE LOTS CONSIDER
THIS IS THE BEST OPTIONS.
AND AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO REPRESENT OUR FINE STATE I
ASK YOU TO PASS THIS BILL.
>> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; I HAVE TO ANOTHER
TEST FIRE AND.
WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE; IT'S
GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
>> THANK MADAME CHAIR MY NAME
IS SHELTON.
TO DO FINE.
AT THE AGE OF
MADE A LOT OF BAD DECISIONS
MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES.
AND I WAS A PART OF A ROBBERY GONE; BAD; IT'S
SOMEONE LOST THEIR
WE WEREN'T IN THE
BUILDING ME AND MY FRIEND AT THE TIME AND WE WERE WITH 2
OTHER
SOMEONE END UP DYING AND I
WAS SPACING THERE HE IS IN
THEY WANT YOU TO TAKE A PLEA 15
YEARS TO 10. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T
KNOW WHAT TO SAY SO I TOLD MY
PUBLIC DEFENSE THEY'RE TO CALL MY MOM AND LET HER KNOW MY MOM BY HER
IMMEDIATELY.
SENT MONEY TO PAY FOR A LAWYER;
I'M AND THIS LAWYER.
TELL MY MOM THAT HE COULD
GET THE. CHARGE LOWER TO
AGGRAVATED WHICH CARRY 3 TO
5 YEARS BECAUSE IT WASN'T REASONABLY FORESEEABLE THAT I HAD THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE MURDER
WHICH I DID IT.
I WENT
TO COURT EVERY MONTH FOR 9 MONTHS I SPENT 9 MONTHS IN
HENNEPIN COUNTY JAIL. AND I END UP HAVING TO TAKE THE
15 YEARS.
AND SO I I WAS I WAS SENTENCED
TO SHOP THE P I DID 9 AND A
HALF YEARS
AND I JUST RECENTLY WAS
RELEASED JUNE OF 2018.
AND SINCE THEN IT HAD A
LOT OF WITH
CERTAIN JOBS.
>> THEY HEAR MURDER; THE JUST DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH
IT. SO IT'S
A STRUGGLE LET ME OUT JUST
HAVING THAT ON MY BACKGROUND EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T PHYSICALLY MURDER; ANYONE IS REALLY HARD.
AND AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT
THIS I HAVE A LOT OF PRAISE I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I CARE ABOUT THAT ARE IN SHOCK.
THE
RIGHT NOW. >> THAT ARE DOING IT FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T DO.
AND IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO SEE IN YOUNG WOMEN AND
MEN ENDED UP IN A
SITUATION WHERE.
>> THEY FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE THEY THEY FEEL
LIKE A KID SPEAK UP FOR THIS OF OR BUY ANYTHING
BECAUSE LIKE MUCH
TONY SAID THEY'RE TELLING YOU THAT YOU FACE IN LIFE THEY TOLD
MY MOM I WAS FACING LIFE IN PRISON AND SHE CAME TO SEE ME
AND SHE COULD BARELY TALK.
IT WAS SCARY AHEAD AHEAD FELT LIKE I HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO TAKE THE PLEA. GET OUT ONE DAY.
THAT NO ONE THAT THE DAY THAT I GET OUT AND HAVE SO MANY OTHER
STRUGGLES.
THAT THAT'S WHY TODAY
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR
STORY WITH US MICHELLE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY
YOU CAN.
>> WELCOME BACK.
>> THE SPOT I HAVE ONE MORE TESTS TEST-FIRE A MISTER CHAIR
EFFECT TURNED OVER. PROFESSOR
PARENT UNIT.
>> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU
FOR ALLOWING ME TO
FRANKLY NOTHING I'M GOING TO SAY RIGHT NOW WILL BE HERE IN
LIGHTNING OR AS
THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE JUST BUT I
WILL TRY TO ADD SOME LEGAL
CONTACT TO THE SPELL.
I'M I'M ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA LAW
SCHOOL I TEACH CRIMINAL LAW JUVENILE LAW AND I COULD DIRECT A CHILD ADVOCACY IN JUVENILE
JUSTICE CLINIC.
MY STUDENTS AND I REPRESENT A
NUMBER OF PEOPLE SERVING LIFE IN PRISON FOR OFFENSES THAT
COMMITTED IS CHILLED AND SEVERAL OF WHOM WERE
CONVICTED UNDER THESE LAWS.
MY TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF
HOUSE FILE 3976. WELL BRIEFLY
ADDRESS 3 ASPECTS OF
THIS TOPIC I'LL TOUCH ON THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE WHY IT IS WE
HAVE SOMETHING CALLED
FELONY MURDER. IN THIS COUNTRY
EXISTED IN COMMON LAW COUNTRIES AND WHY IT'S IT'S HERE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT
HERE.
HOW MINNESOTA'S FELONY MURDER AND AIDING ABETTING LAWS
COMPARE WITH LAWS IN OTHER STATES. AND FINALLY JUST A
COUPLE OF WORDS ABOUT THE
BENEFITS OF ESTABLISHING A TASK FORCE TO STUDY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THESE
LAWS.
FELONY MURDER IS AN ENGLISH COMMON LAW DOCTRINE; IT'S VERY OLD AND IT
WAS DONE BELLA TO
ALLOW THOSE WHOSE CONDUCT BROUGHT ABOUT AN UNATTENDED DEATH AND THE COMMISSION OR
ATTEMPTED COMMISSION OF A
FELONY TO BE FOUND GUILTY OF
MURDER BY IMPUGNING MY DALLAS WHERE THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC
INTENT TO KILL.
ORIGINALLY IT WAS NOT ENOUGH THAT THE KILLING OCCURRED
DURING THE FELONY. THE DEFENDANT MUST ACTUALLY HAVE
CAUSED THE DEATH. THE DOCTRINE
WAS IMPORTED THE UNITED STATES IN THE 18TH CENTURY IN FIRST
FIDE IN THE
19TH CENTURY. INITIALLY ONLY A
LIMITED NUMBER OF CRIMINAL ACTS
COULD SERVE AS PREDICATE FELONIES BUT AS WITH A LOT OF THINGS AND THE
CRIMINAL LAW.
THE LIST EXPANDED RAPIDLY TO INCLUDE MANY RELATIVELY MINOR
OFFENSES.
AS THE MINNESOTA SUPREME COURT
HAS RECOGNIZED HOWEVER EVEN AS NEARLY EVERY STATE ADOPTED
FELONY MURDER LAWS. THE
DOCTOR UNQUOTE REMAINS AN
ANOMALY IN THE LAST HOMICIDE.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER DOES THE ONLY FORM OF HOMICIDE THAT
DOES NOT REQUIRE PROOF OF A
SPECIFIC MENTAL STATE. THAT'S A PERSON
CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR MURDER. EVEN IF SHE DID NOT
INTEND TO DO ANYTHING
BY LAW AND AND SUBJECTED TO A SENTENCE THAT FAR EXCEEDS HER
CULPABILITY.
BECAUSE OF THIS ENGLISH ABOLISH
THE FELONY MURDER RULE IN
1957. FOLLOWED BY CANADA AND
AND AND INDIA
AND EVERY OTHER COMMON LAW COUNTRY BUT THE UNITED STATES.
IN THE UNITED STATES RESEARCH RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE INCARCERATED
UNDER FELONY
MURDER LAWS ARE YOUNG AND THEY
ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR.
AS THOSE WHO ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL CAN
ATTEST.
PEOPLE OF EVERY AGE GENDER RACE
NATIONALITY AND
GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION ARE
IMPACTED BY THIS LOSS.
BECAUSE OF THE INHERENT DISPARITIES IN THE APPLICATION
AND THE EMERGENCE OF STORIES
LIKE MEGHAN'S AND BRIANNA'S
AND CRYSTALS UNITE US STATES ARE NOW REVIEWING AND REFORMING
THEIR FELONY MURDER RULES. IN RECENT YEARS; THE FELONY MURDER RULE HAS BEEN ABOLISHED
TO KNOW
HAWAII; KENTUCKY
MICHIGAN AND MASSACHUSETTS AND ARKANSAS CALIFORNIA CONNECTICUT; DELAWARE; MAINE;
NEW JERSEY;
NEW YORK. NORTH DAKOTA; OREGON
AND WASHINGTON NOW LIMIT THE FELONY MURDER RULE TO THE ACTUAL PERPETRATORS OF THE
HOMICIDE. SO HOW TO
MINNESOTA'S FELONY MURDER AND AIDING AND ABETTING LAST
COMPARE WITH OTHER
STATES LAWS RELATIVE TO OTHER
STATES MINNESOTA HAS AN ESPECIALLY BROAD FELONY MURDER
RULE IN 3 CRITICAL RESPECT
ITS FIRST AS YOU'VE HEARD.
IT IS POSSIBLE IN MINNESOTA TO BE CHARGED WITH AND CONVICTED
OF FIRST-DEGREE MURDER WITHOUT EVER INTENDING TO KILL ANYONE.
THIS IS BECAUSE A DEFENDANT CAN BE CHARGED WITH AIDING AND ABETTING THE IN TENSION AND
KILLING OF
ANOTHER PERSON WHILE COMMITTING
AN UNDERLYING FELONY LIKE AGGRAVATED BURGLARY. WHERE THERE IS NO INTENT TO KILL AT
ALL.
THEN JOHNSON; I'M SITTING HERE HAS DONE A TERRIFIC
SUMMARY FOR THE HOUSE
ON AIDING AND ABETTING AND HOW THAT LAW WORKS IN MINNESOTA AND
I WOULD ENCOURAGE MEMBERS TO
READ IT. IT EXPLAINS HOW IN
CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER THIS IS A VERY EXPANSIVE DOCTRINE ON ITS OWN BUT IN
COMBINATION WITH OUR FELONY
MURDER STATUTES. PEOPLE LIKE
MEGAN AND BRIANA
AND CRYSTAL ARE BROUGHT WITHIN THE REALM OF HOMICIDE WITHOUT
EVER INTENDING TO
KILL ANYONE. SECOND IT IS
POSSIBLE TO BE CHARGED WITH AND
CONVICTED OF SECOND-DEGREE
MURDER IN MINNESOTA UNDER 6 O
9.19. IF AS A DEFENDANT TO
COMMIT A FELONY ASSAULTS THAT
RESULTS IN DEATH THIS IS
BECAUSE MINNESOTA IS ONE OF JUST A FEW STATES THAT DOESN'T
RECOGNIZE WHAT'S CALLED THE
MERGER DOCTRINE. WHICH HOLDS
THAT IF THE UNDERLYING FELONY
BECOMES OUR MERGES WITH THE MURDER. THE CANNOT ALSO BE THE
PREDICATE FOR FELONY UNDER MINNESOTA DOESN'T RECOGNIZE
THIS.
3RD IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A MISDEMEANOR ASSAULT IN
MINNESOTA TO BECOME A
FELONY ASSAULT BASED ON THE
EXTENT OF THE VICTIM'S INJURY AND THEREFORE BECOME THE
PREDICATE FOR SECOND
DEGREE MURDER. EVEN IF THE DEFENDANT INTENDED NO INJURY TO
ANY VICTIM
AT ALL TAKEN TOGETHER THESE PROVISIONS OF MINNESOTA LAW
ALLOW FOR MORE EXPANSIVE
CRIMINAL LIABILITY FOR OTHERWISE UNINTENTIONAL DEATHS
THAN IN MANY OTHER STATES.
WHILE THERE ARE PLAINLY CIRCUMSTANCES WERE IMPOSING CRIMINAL LIABILITY FOR AN INTENTIONAL ACT. MAY MAKE
SENSE.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER
THESE LAWS THAT WE NOW HAVE TRULY SERVE THE PURPOSES FOR
WHICH THEY ARE AND WERE INTENDED. AND WHETHER THEY'RE FAIR AND EQUITABLE THIS IS WHAT
WE NEED TO DETERMINE.
FINALLY A FEW WORDS ON A
TASK FORCE BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY
LACK DATA ON THE APPLICATIONS OF THESE
DOCTRINES AND BECAUSE THIS AREA OF THE LAW IS INCREDIBLY DENSE
AND COMPLICATED.
INDEED LAW PROFESSORS HAVE SPENT ENTIRE CAREER STUDYING
NOTHING BUT FELONY MURDER.
AND BECAUSE MOST IMPORTANTLY AS WE HAVE HEARD THERE IS SO MUCH
AT STAKE.
4 DEFENDANTS VICTIMS AND THEIR
FAMILIES.
A BIPARTISAN GROUP OF EXPERTS OF IMPACTED PERSONS
AND THEIR FAMILIES OF STAKEHOLDERS
TO STUDY THIS PROBLEM AND MAKE
STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS
TO YOU ABOUT REFORMS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR ALL OF MINNESOTA IS
URGENTLY NEEDED. THANK YOU.
>> THANK
>> THOSE WHO ARE
OTHER WHEN WE OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS AND WE'LL SEE IF ANYONE ELSE THE AUDIENCE WHICH
IS THE SPEED.
>> THE QUESTION IS FROM
COMMITTEE RIP SERVICE.
>> THANK YOU COMPELLING AND I
WOULD
LIKE TO AND MORE AND MINE IS MORE OF THE MECHANICS OF THE
TASK
FORCE SO NOT MAKING ANY COMMENTARY ON THE SUBJECT BUT HAS THERE BEEN A FISCAL NOTE
CREATED FOR THIS MONTH.
I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IT
SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD HAVE SOME EXPENSES ALLOCATED TO IT AND
WE'RE FISCAL COMMITTEE HAD BUT YOU KNOW THERE WAS A PHYSICAL NO CERTAIN REST OF THE SCHOOL STAFF. >> THE 3RD; THERE'S ONE
CURRENTLY.
>> MISTER ARTS RIPS AN
ASH THERE WAS A FISCAL NOT REQUESTED IT IS NOT SIGNED OFF
ON BY THE LBO THAT DEPARTMENT
OF CORRECTIONS PUT IN
$25;000 REQUEST FOR A PART-TIME
STAFF PERSON
FOR THIS. COMMISSION MISTER CHURCH YOU SORT AND FISCAL SET
OF THE 25 PER YEAR OR.
THE REPORT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN
THE YEARS; I'M JUST TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS IS TO US. MISTER CHAIR REPRESENT
MATCH THAT WAS IT WAS ONE TIME
APPROPRIATION OF 25;000.
AND IT SURE DOES LITTLE PERCENT
TO FINISH THAT UP IF IF THAT GOES LONGER BECAUSE OF THE
STIPULATION IN THE TASK FOR US
LIFE SAYS IT WILL BE AFTER THE
SUBMISSION OF THE REPORT IF IT GOES LONGER THAN A YEAR; WHAT
HAPPENS THEM.
AND MISTER MISTER JOHNSON
MISTER CHAIR REPRESENT
NASH JUST TO CLARIFY THAT
REPORT DOES HAVE A DUE DATE IN
SUBDIVISION 6 OF JANUARY 15TH
20 21 SO THE TASK FORCE WOULD EXPIRE. AFTER SUBMISSION OF
JANUARY 1520 21.
OF OTHER
QUESTIONS COMMENTS.
RIPS
OPEN TILL. >> THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; AND I JUST THINK I'M THE ADVOCATES ARE PUSHING THIS AND AND FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS AND PRESERVED
AS
WELL TO TO I KNOW THERE WAS SOME SOME DISCUSSION IN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER REALLY
APPRECIATE.
YOU YOU DOING THAT AND THEN WORK AND YOU'RE JUST REALLY COMPELLING EXPERIENCE
THANK YOU FOR SHARING IT WITH US. WE WISH YOU THE VERY
VERY BEST TO THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR. >> EVERYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE SO THAT WAS SUPPOSED
TO FUND FOR ISABEL.
IF NOT THE PURPOSE OF IT I
BELIEVE ARE READY MOVE ON ON
THE BILL. WELL BEFORE WE DO I DO WANT TO AGAIN THANK CURTIS
OF FIRES; A SKATER.
YOU'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A WHILE
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR
PERSEVERANCE AND AND THE COST
OF BELIEF AND YOUR LOVED ONE AND UNJUST AND THE INDEED
WELCOME BACK WITH SHOE.
MUCH SUCCESS.
AND HOPE THAT YOU WITH YOUR
LIFE
AND LOVE. THE THE GOOD PRODUCTIVE CITIZEN SURE MANY OF
YOUR LOVED ONES KNOW THAT
YOU ARE. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE TOOK A LOT OF COURAGE TO
DO THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT
WITHOUT PURPOSE OF THE
REDUCES MOTION. CYRUS OF THE EVENT WHERE YES; THANK YOU.
MISTER
>> YOU KNOW THE COMMISSIONER OF DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS IS A
POINT ABOUT
THIS AND THEY'RE ON
OF COURSE THE GOVERNOR SUPPORTIVE AND I SPOKE A LITTLE TOO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID
YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN
OFFICIAL POSITION. BUT WHEN THE WILL BE SURE TO NOTIFY ALL OF
YOU. AND IN
THIS IS NOT REALLY A PARTISAN THING IN THE SAID
CHAMBERLAIN'S CARRYING
THIS BILL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS MOVED IN MANY STATES.
WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING ON
THE FLOOR. THERE ARE TIMES TO
DO THE RIGHT THING.
THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN
GONE AND THE STATE OF
MINNESOTA. AND WE NEED TO
LOOK AT HOW OUR LAWS CAN BE
MODIFIED OR CHANGE TO REALLY. MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING
IN OUR THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IS
PROPORTIONAL TO THE OFFENSE. SO WITH THAT MISTER CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS I WOULD PASS FOR
YOUR SUPPORT AND YOU MY MOTION TO MOVE THIS GOVERNMENT
OPERATES.
>> THEY DO SO THEY REPRESENT
THE RENEWS MOTION.
>> THAT HOUSE CALL.
THE 3; 9; 7; 6; WE REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT
OPERATIONS ALL IN FAVOR OF
THE MOTION. POLICE SAY PULLS
TROOPS AND THOSE ARE PREVAILS.
>> PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK
THEY'RE GETTING RELEASED.
YOU COULD KNOW IF HE'S
ALIVE COME.
I KNOW IT
THE CHAIR
MARY ANY.
ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE 20 AT 7 OH
9 BEFORE US MARY ANN; AND I IF YOU LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A
AMENDMENTS.
THE GIRL LOOKED AWAY FROM THE
PUBLIC GOT A BAD THING. A LITTLE TIME WITH BOTH THE HOUSE VOTES OR SO. >> WILL THAT BE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE AND
TO SHARE. THERE IS A LEGAL AMENDMENT THAT I WOULD MOVE
THAT AMENDMENT AT THIS POINT.
>> CREATED AND THE AMENDMENT
ANYTHING WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE MOMENT.
>> JUST OF PUTS A BILL IN THE SHAPE THE WORSHIP TO HAVE OVER FOR YOU WILL WALK THROUGH THAT.
IT'S A MARKEDLY DIFFERENT FROM THE HOSPITAL FOR SOMETHING THAT
MIGHT HAVE THE ORIGINALLY
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF A 20
SAY AYE AYE WRITE THE CHAIR
MARY ON THE GO AHEAD WITH
YOUR BELL. >> I HAVE A A POWERPOINT WE'LL
SEE IF A WERE ABLE TO GET UP
THERE HUH.
>> AND TIME YOU HAVE THE POWER. >> WHEN CHAIR MARY ANN OF THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY
IMPRESSED ABOUT FOOD; AN R I
YEAH EXACTLY THE HOT SUN;
>> MEMBERS SO WHILE SET THAT UP
LET ME TO SAY THAT THIS BILL
>> WENT OVER THROUGH
THROUGH COMMITTEE LAST
BASICALLY SO TO
SON YOU
A CAR THE BILL THE KIND OF
THE ISSUES.
THAT RISE TO US A PERSONAL
LEVEL THE THAT WE HEARD
EARLIER TODAY. THE NUMBER OF US CITIZENS IN MINNESOTA. IT'S A
BILL
>> WE'VE BEEN FOR OVER A YEAR
WORKING
AWFULLY HARD WITH ALL SORTS OF
STAKEHOLDERS WE'VE ENGAGED TO
LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT MADE IT
I'M A GROUPS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT'S NOT TO SAY LAW
ENFORCEMENT SUPPORTED BY BUT IT
IS TO SAY THAT.
BAR MY APPROACH TO THIS WORK IN TERMS OF WHAT I
BELIEVE IS
>> ACCOUNTABILITY
UH HUH PRESIDENTS; A LAW
ENFORCEMENT IN THE STATE OF THE
COURSE OF THAT WORK ON SOUGHT
BECAUSE OF
SHERIFF I THINK IN WITH OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY.
LISTEN CAREFULLY BUT
THAT JUST MEANT SO THAT WE GET
TO 27 OVER TIME AND
SO MY IT TURNED A FAIR
SHARE MEMBERS ISN'T TO DO ON TO
AS MUCH AS CERTAINLY ASSERT.
COMPELLING STATE FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY OTHER PART OF THE STATE
AND TO DO THAT THE WAY REALLY
OF RUNS UP THE BASS OF ALL OF
OUR PROFESSIONAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT; A
THE CUPS WERE SUPPOSED TO MOVE
THIS WHOLE STORY.
YES SO THIS
IS THE BEAR CITY PART BUT I
THINK OR WHAT THAT
THAT'S A A PICTURE OF A YOUNG PUERTO RICAN KID WHO GREW UP IN
THE STREETS OF CHICAGO. THE ONE
ON
>> THANKS THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST OF THE CAPITOL FOR A
LOOK AT THE O K. SO NOT THE
HERE. LET ME.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BASICALLY A THING YOU HAVE TO
DO ANYTHING TO DO.
>> YOU KNOW BY A BITE THAT TOPPING TO POP OUT THAT HAIR; YOU UP THAT WAY NOW IT'S IT'S
GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO DO THAT ON PURPOSE OF THE MUELLER STOPPED.
>> BECERRA MEMBERS. WHAT I WAS
A KID GROWING UP
IN CHICAGO. >> QUITE FRANKLY THE THOUGHT OF
BEING THERE POLICE WAS NOT. SOMETHING THAT HAS OCCURRED
JUST.
QUITE FRANKLY FEARFUL
OF OUR LOCAL POLICE LOCAL POLICE BACK TO THE 60'S GAVE US
LOTS OF REASONS TO BE FEARFUL
THEM. IT WAS NOT AT ALL
EVEN AS KIDS TO BE ON THE
WRONG END THE BAD AND THE RACIAL SLURS. IT'S A PRETTY
ROUGH TREATMENT AND
OUR
REACTION OFF OF THE CITY POLICE OFFICER WAS TO RUN IN THE
OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
THAT ALL THE GUYS OUR FAMILY BUT THERE'S A NEIGHBORS
AND THEIR FANS. WHO SERVED A
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
>> GOOD CITIZENS CURE HUMAN WHO
SHARE MANY OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT I HAVE
ABOUT OUR SOCIETY
RELATIVE TO RACING AND EQUAL TREATMENT; HOWEVER THAT IF THE
THAT WAS PLANTED EARLY IS A VIVID TO FORTUNATELY CONTINUES
TO.
>> THE. >> IT'S INSTANTLY FORCE WITHIN
MANY COMMUNITIES. INCLUDING WITHIN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR YOU HEARD FROM SOME OF THEM.
EARLIER
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TO HEAR
AND LISTEN. TO THEIR EMOTIONS SO THEIR
DESCRIPTION OF WORK. HAPPENED
TO THEIR LOVED A LOT OF WALL OF
STUFF THERE. IT'S
MY CONTENTION. MEMBERS THAT
IT'S A KIND OF
EMOTION THOSE KIND OF PERCEPTIONS OF REALITY IS THAT
GET IN THE WAY OF PUBLIC SAFETY
AND GOOD
COMMUNITY BUILDING. FOR ME THE NUMBERS PUBLIC SAFETY AND I THINK WE TRY TO DO THIS IN SHAPE WITH THIS COMMITTEE
PUBLIC SAFETY IS
ABOUT BUILDING. THEY'RE MAINTAINING COMMUNITY THAT SOLVES PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY
BECOME CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
TO THE OTHER WAY TO SAY THAT
WITHOUT COMMUNITY THERE IS NO PUBLIC SAFETY. THERE IS A FORSMAN OF LAW WHICH IS NOT THE
SAME THING.
WE HAVE FAIRLY
ABOUT WAS THE KIND THE FORCE BUT WE'VE HEARD THIS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT THEMSELVES HERE
OVER THE PAST 3 YEARS WAS.
ADVOCATES THE CITIZENS THAT
WE OFTEN WISELY CALLED ON LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SO WE DO WHAT IT
CANNOT DO ALONE
WHICH IS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS
BEFORE THEY BECOME CRIMINAL
CLEARLY THERE IS AN IMPORTANT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PLAY A
BIT PLAY THAT ROLE LOW.
QUITE FRANKLY I THINK THAT THE THAT THE COWARDICE ON THE REST OF US TO AWARD PROFESSION TO
SOLVE A COMMUNITY.
PROBLEMS. SO POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS ARE VITALLY
IMPORTANT.
LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS A DUTY TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY
LEADERS HAVE A DUTY TO
ENSURE THAT AND LEGISLATORS
HAVE A DUTY TO CREATE LAWS THAT SAID EXPECT CASES TO ESTABLISH
STRONG POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS OF OUR STATE LICENSE LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND TO THESE.
THEY DID I WOULD ARGUE
THAT IT'S A FROM WHICH INDEED
ALL DIRECTION AUTHORITY RISES.
THE RISES WERE TO
RISE USE A LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT WE HAVE DONE VERY
WELL LITTLE IN TERMS OF PROVIDING DIRECTION AND
STANDARDS IN A SEXUAL WAY TOOK NO HOLLERS STANDARDS ARE BEING USED TO IT
THE PUBLIC.
WE'VE DONE VERY LITTLE IN TERMS
OF NECESSARY REPORTING
THAT EMPOWERS BOTH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT THERE ARE AND
AT THE SAME TIME.
2 THE
GENERAL PUBLIC. THERE'S MUCH
MORE THAT WE CAN DO AND
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS. SO THIS
BILL REALLY MODERNIZES THE FENCE ABOUT A NICE OUR ABILITY
TO HAVE A STRONG SYSTEM DRIVE AND POLICE COMMUNITY VOICES
THAT DRIVES A
PUBLIC SAFETY. MY COMMITTEE LEGISLATOR; A LEGISLATIVE
ASSISTANT
ALL DOWN THEY GET OUT OF THE WATER AT HOLD IT AS OPPOSED TO
JUMP OFF
OF THAT THUS THE THIS BUT LET ME JUST RUN THROUGH THIS VERY
QUICK WITHOUT A WITH THE BILL
SO THE BILL IS THAT
YOU KNOW WE'RE 30 RESPECTFUL
THAT WE HAVE 30 YEARS A
GOVERNMENT REPORT RIGHT HERE IN MINNESOTA.
>> OF THE RIVER.
>> FRIDAY OF THAT SPEAKS TO.
THE NEED FOR A STRONG EMPHASIS OF POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS.
AS I STATED EARLIER THE REPEAL LITTLE BIT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
RELIES ON COMMUNITY TRUST YOU
CAN GO FORWARD.
AS I MENTIONED INTERACTED WITH
ARE FOLKS BUT NOT JUST
LAW ENFORCEMENT; THE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ATTENDED MEETINGS A NUMBER
OF US WERE AT THE THE
JOINT HEARING. WE HAVE LONG
LONG RACE OVER IT I HAVE A
UNIVERSITY. A FEW MONTHS AGO.
AND SO WHAT THE BILL WILL DO.
WHAT IT LOOKS THE SOL.
WHERE WE HAVE THOSE POCKETS
OF LACK OF BY IN OUR LAW
WHERE THERE ARE NO POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS NEWS THAT
THERE'S A STATE STATUTE.
IN RULES AND SO MIGHT IT END
HERE IS THE PLACE LITTLES INTO THE RIGHT THING FOR LAWS THOUGH
BACK TO WORK.
RECOGNIZING THAT CURRENTLY.
ITS STATUTE DOES THAT DESCRIBE IT MINIMUM STANDARDS
FOR ELIMINATING
THE PERCEPTION. ALL OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN CASES WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERSHIP IS BEING PROSECUTED.
WHAT THIS BILL DOES THEN IS TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS. MEASURES
WHETHER AGENCIES ARE MEETING THOSE STANDARDS IT HOLDS LEADERSHIP ACCOUNTABLE FOR
SYSTEM VIOLATIONS OF THOSE STANDARDS. SO THERE'S
SOME OF THIS
ATTACK WILL AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL A PPS A REPORT ALSO ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE
TICKING ALONG
THOSE LINES. WHAT THIS BILL
DOES NOT DO THAT DOES NOT
CREATE ANY NEW ROLE FOR ASSISTING AGENCIES IN OTHER
WORDS
WE DUG PRETTY DEEP
THE EXISTING MANDATES A STATE AND DIRECTION THAT WE'VE GIVEN
A 2 TO OUR FULL SUPPORT
IN PARTICULAR
BASICALLY HAVE A CONSTRUCT THE
BILL THAT
FOR THE MOST PART REALLY JUST
EMPHASIZES A GOOD TIME.
OF LAW THAT HAS THOSE ENTITIES THAT THAT
ESTABLISH UL'S ENTITIES.
THIS LAW DOES NOT CREATE THE FACT THOUGH A STATE
JURISDICTION. THEY'RE
A LOT OF ROOM
AND RIGHTLY SO FOR
LOCAL THAT IT'S BEEN IN THE FACT THAT IT'S PUT PATIENTS
FIRST TIME POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND ACCOUNTABILITY
WHEN THERE ARE COMPLAINTS.
I'M STILL
A STRONGLY. RESIDING
LOCAL JURISDICTIONS BUT DOING
SO IN COORDINATION WITH
OUR STATE THESE IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE POLICE WITH
REGARDS TO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. WHAT
CONSTITUTES CRIMINAL ACTS FOR POLICE OR THE PROCESS OF INVESTIGATING OR PROSECUTING
THIS CONDUCT FOR OVER 90
OF POLICE. AND THEN THE A IS
THAT. EVEN AS WE SPEAK. THERE
HAS BEEN.
AND I WELCOME THAT WE SAW SOME
WELCOME IT.
THERE HAS BEEN A STRONG.
MOVEMENT.
OUR AGENCY SOME OF THE THAT
WE'RE SEEING AT THE POST OR A DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC SAFETY WE
BELIEVE THAT OUR COLLECTIVE OF DISCUSSIONS HERE IN THE
LEGISLATURE HAS
THINGS LIKE THE POLL SUPPORT TO
PUBLISH AGENCY LEVEL POLICE MISCONDUCT DATA. HIGHLIGHTED
POTENTIAL GAPS IN
THE SYSTEM. BUDDY DIVERSE CONSTITUENCIES SEE A KIND OF A
NEED FOR REFORM WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF OF CITIZENS COME FROM
THE CONVERSE OF THAT RATHER
STAY. COMING TO ENGAGE WITH US
AND SOME OF THE THOSE WHO SAW THE SPORTING IS UNCOMFORTABLE. I WAS A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE OF
THIS MORNING; BUT QUITE FRANKLY
THAT'S NOT GOOD
PUBLIC POLICY. WERE COMES FROM
THAT DOESN'T COME FROM ABORTED I HAVE READ THE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR
NEIGHBORS. SOME OF WHO.
SUFFER AS A RESULT OF A LACK OF
ATTENTION.
TO A KIND OF FOR A PUBLIC
PURPOSE SYSTEMS.
SO MATTER REMEMBER THIS KIND OF
CHAIR MEMBERS WHO VERY
UH THIS BILL WOULD USER LICENSE OR FRAMEWORK OF STRUCTURE
PRIMARILY WITHIN
THE POLLS. BOARD TO A PARENT
SUPPORT OF FORCE POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS. THAT CONTRIBUTE TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND
WE DO THAT
CLEAR EXPECTATION OF STRONG COLLECTION FOR REPORTING
OF DATA.
THE ESTABLISHMENT THROUGH
A RULEMAKING WHERE WE'RE A
RULEMAKING O 4.
POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS
GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS AND
THEN A PERHAPS THE
CONTROVERSIAL PIECE
OF LEGISLATION. I'M CALLING FOR
A PROCESS TO INVESTIGATE WHEN THERE'S A COMPLETE IT GETS THE
A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHOSE
DUTY OF COURSE IS TO
OVERSEE OUR IMPLEMENTATION OF
COMMUNITY OF A COMMUNITY.
POLICE RELATIONS PRACTICES IN
CULTURES
A JOURNEY OF THE PUBLIC'S SO
THE PACE IT WILL BE DIRECTED TO COLLECT DATA MOST OF THAT IS
REALLY EXISTING DATA
THAT WE PUT MORE MEAT IF YOU
WILL OF THE IS SO
MORE BE DOUBLES TO BE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC AROUND DATA RELATED TO
EXCESSIVE FORCE. THINGS LIKE
BOOKS US OF FORCE. SEXUAL AND
HARASSMENT.
MOST OF THIS MEMBERS IS A SYSTEM THAT WERE VERY EXPLICIT
THAT ONE. CALLING FOR THE
COLLECTION OF POSTING OF BUT
THAT AND
CONFIDENTIAL DATA. BUT ITS EXISTING DATA WITH MEAT ON THE BONES AS I SAID EARLIER
A POLICE.
PUBLICLY REPORTED. COMPLAINTS
OF POLICE MISCONDUCT. THE WHOLE
SPORT
WOULD BE TO
PUBLISH SUMMARY DATA SO THEY IN TURN DOES THAT DATA THAT USEFUL
FOR THE MOST PART OF THAT SIZE
THE POWER LICENSURE
TO BE ABLE TO BE A FORCE OF
THIS THIS A VITAL ROLE SHOULD.
ACTIVITY AS POLICE COMMUNITY
RELATIONS. BUT THE PUBLISHED
SUMMARY DATA.
COMMISSIONER EARLIER TALKED ABOUT IT NOW HUBBLE WITH A LOOK
THAT
FROM ACROSS THE
HOPE IS TO MOMENTS.
IN OUR PULSE
AS THEY'RE ABLE TO COLLECT AND REPORT DATA PER
ENTITY.
SO THAT IT CAN SEE
PERHAPS PATTERNS OF EVOLUTION AND TURNS THAT ALLOWS IT TO
CONTINUE
TO MODERNIZE THROUGH RULEMAKING
ITS ABILITY
TO DRAW. AFFECT THE POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS PRACTICES OF THE POLL SUPPORT IN THE
BILLS DIRECT THAT
TO ESTABLISH. GUIDELINES PREFER
POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS.
AND YOU KNOW MEMBERS THE
ATTORNEY HERE
IS THAT YOU KNOW UNLESS THEY'RE REALLY A COMMON STANDARD THERE
ARE NO STANCE A THERE ARE VERY
SUBJECTIVE DECISIONS.
IT ANY THAT THAT WOULD BE MADE
THE
SUB STRUCTURES WITHIN THAT
SECTOR AND SO IT'S A COMPELLING STATE INTEREST AND I BELIEVE IT
DOES FOR FOR THE STATE. TO
NURTURE.
A STRONG PUBLIC SAFETY BEHIND
POLICE COMMUNITY. AFFECT THE
POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS IT'S
MY CONTENTION THAT
WE NEED IS STRONG STARTING
POINT OF A GOOD HIGH QUALITY
STANDARDS; A CIVIL STANDARDS
WOULD INCLUDE WE SPOKE
WE SPOKE ABOUT
IN IN THE BILL.
STANDARDS ARE OUT OF REACH
AROUND UH
TO ARREST AROUND GUIDELINES FOR
A SCHOOL
RESOURCE OFFICERS. FOR BEST
PRACTICES FOR POLICE CIVILIAN
REVIEW. BOARDS
OF ACTIVITIES FOR INTERACTIONS
WITH VICTIMS AND WITNESSES.
WHO ARE OF SUFFERING TRYING FOR
DETERMINING WHAT THRESHOLDS
WOULD MERIT. FOR MERITORIOUS A
AND THEN THE POLLS BUT WITH
THAT IN THE DIRECT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE LEGISLATURE AND POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS SO THAT WE
CAN ALL THAT.
THE BODY OF
IN THIS. AND THEN THE FINAL MAJOR PROVISION HAS TO DO WITH
THAT. PROCESSING.
INVESTIGATING COMPLAINTS ABOUT CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
ARE
CLEAR GOALS.
RIGHT NOW YOU KNOW THOSE
IF THEY MOVE A LOT OF SYSTEM WOULD EVENTUALLY GET TO YOUR
CITY MANAGER OR TO YOUR
COUNTY ATTORNEY.
AND IT'S MARKET IT'S AN AMERICA THAT ARE DUE THE AUTHORITY OF
OUR CITY MANAGERS ARE COUNTY
ATTORNEYS. CERTAINLY NOT THEIR THIS REALLY GOES TO THE NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A COMMON. ♪
SET OF STANDARDS THAT
APPROACHES OF RESPONSES THAT
EXIST IN MINNESOTA RELATIVE
TO COMPLAINTS.
WHICH FRANKLIN THINK WILL BE VERY OFTEN BUT COMPLAINTS THAT
ARE DIRECTED AT THOSE WHO ARE
BECAUSE THE ALSO RESPONSIBILITY
TOO. READ OUR LOCAL PUBLIC
SAFETY SYSTEMS THAT MAKE SURE
THAT THE OTHER NOT ONLY NOT A VIOLATION OF OUR DIRECTIONS
DIRECTIVES RELATIVE TO TRADING. BUT THAT THEY ARE IN FACT THAT
THEY
HAD SEEN. BUT POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND THEN FOR THE VERY RARE IS THIS ISN'T A ♪
TO HAPPEN. MEMBERS.
THERE
ARE STRONG REACTIONS FROM
BROUGHT COMMUNITIES WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION. THERE FOR
TREATMENT.
OF THEM HAVE HEARD IN THE
COMPLAINTS ARE AMERICAN INDIAN TRIBAL COMMUNITIES TO THE A
WHAT THE PERCEIVED AS
UNFAIR TREATMENT. SOME OF THEIR LOCAL SERVICE AND THE QUESTION
THEN BECOMES WHO DO WE TAKE
THAT TOO. IT GETS WHAT STANDARD OK WE ARGUE THAT
IS A STATE.
IT SO THAT 10 YEARS THE
STRENGTH CITIZEN COMMUNITY
TRUST TO ENSURE THAT THOSE CONSISTENT APPLICATION OF THOSE
STATE
BUT WE SEE WHAT ELSE BEFORE YOU
ARE FOR FOR BASICALLY THE
PROCESS. THE SHOW IT WOULD BE
SMART TO PUT YOU TO THE THE
POLL SPORT WOULD RECEIVE
THOSE COMPLAINTS. THROUGH ITS
THE COMMITTEE REFER THOSE TO
THE BCA FOR INVESTIGATION AND FINDING A
THATS RECEIVED SO
WE'RE HAPPY LAW ENFORCEMENT OF PUSHING BILLS ALL A TO B C
BREAK AND THEN BRING IT BACK
TO THEM. FOR A DETERMINATION
OF ACTION FOR REFERRAL TO
EITHER OR ATTORNEY GENERAL OR A
COUNTY ATTORNEY DEE YEAH; A
LEGAL ACTION IS REQUIRED RELATIVE TO THE CONDUCT OF ALL
THE ALL THE
CLEAR WILL AS DETERMINED BY THE FIGHTING THE FACT THAT FROM
THEIR PC THE AND IT'S A THE
THE COMPLAINT INSIDE THE PULSE
SPORT.
IT'S MY CONTENTION THAT
KIND OF USCIS WILL GO A LONG WAY TO INSTILL A STRONGER
CONFIDENCE ON THE PART
OF OUR THE COMMUNITIES ARE
GROWING DIVERSE COMMUNITIES.
THAT AND INTER
WITH THAT. PRODUCE A MUCH MORE HEALTHY OF PUBLIC SAFETY
ENVIRONMENT IN
THE STATE. SO A METAL
CHAIR MEMBERS AND I WANT TO
SHARE BOTH YOU KNOW MY PASSES THE BALL; I'VE BEEN GOING ABOUT
CONSTRUCTING THIS PROPOSAL.
WHAT THE GATES WERE.
GENERAL KHALID BIN GETS
WITH AND. AND THEN JUST A QUICK
DESCRIPTION OF THEM O OH I
PROPOSE REMOVED; WHICH IS A FAR DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE REALLY
YOU GET THE LAST YEAR.
SO WITH THAT A METAL CHAIR; A COACH OR OTHER MEMBER STEPHANIE OUT IS THAT
WISH TO COMMENT. THE
BUILD SITE.
>> THANK YOU ARE OTHER TEST FIRES FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THE SO
PLEASE COME FORWARD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND GO AHEAD WITH YOUR TESTIMONY. THANK YOU VICE
CHAIR.
>> MISTER CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COMING TOWARD US AND WITH THE ONSET COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN ROCHESTER;
MINNESOTA.
CURRENTLY IN MY SECOND TERM AS
SHERIFF AND 40TH YEAR IN LAW ENFORCEMENT ALL HERE IN
MINNESOTA.
I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING ALL
87 SHERIFFS IN THE STATE. AS WELL AS MINNESOTA CHIEFS OF
POLICE ASSOCIATION. CHIEF MATT
GOT CHOPPED WHO WAS A REPRESENTATIVE WITH ME AND WITH THE MINNESOTA CHIEFS
ASSOCIATION COULD NOT BE HERE
TODAY TO ADDRESS YOU WITH THESE
CONCERNS.
I THINK IT I JUST WANT TO START
IN RESPONSE TO
MR. KOZEL IS A THERE'S A LOT OF
ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE BEING
MADE HERE RELATED TO THIS BILL
AND THAT OUR CONCERN IS THAT
WHEN WE THROW A BLANKET OF
CONCERNS OUT OVERALL OUR STATE METRO VERSUS OUT STATE; IT'S
VERY DIFFERENT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW LAW
ENFORCEMENT IS PERFORMING THEIR DUTIES. AND HOW PERCEPTIONS ARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES ACROSS
THE STATE.
OUR ORGANIZATIONS ARE
VERY THING. WELL. THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE; A DEPARTMENT
OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER THE WORKING GROUP THAT YOU HEARD FROM AND HEARD ABOUT THIS
AFTERNOON.
CHAIR MARY ANN AND JUST
MENTION THAT. YOU SHOULD LOOK
FOR
A MOMENT; THERE WAS AN AHA MOMENT AND WAS IN OUR FIRST
DELIBERATION AFTER FOR SESSION AND THAT AH HA
MOMENT WAS.
VERY CLEAR IN THAT ARE FIRST TO LIBERATION DAY WHICH IS THE
FULL DAY. LAST OCTOBER.
WE LEARNED FROM ALL SIDES WE
TALKED AS LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IT WAS MEMBERS OF
THE COMMUNITY. HE WAS A MEMBER FROM UNAFFECTED FAMILY THAT YOU
HEARD THIS
WAS THE NOT REPRESENTED ON THE THERE WAS AN EFFECTIVE FAMILY
REPRESENTED.
WE LEARNED A LOT THAT FIRST DAY AND WE CONTINUE BURNING FOR THE NEXT 4 MONTHS OF OUR SESSIONS.
OUR UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE MET
AND STARTED THE WORKING
GROUP BEGAN. WAS IT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE MADE WILL BE
BROUGHT TO THE LEGISLATURE. IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR WHICH
THEY DID.
WHEN WE MADE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE ACTION
STEPS.
THAT THEY WOULD BE MADE FROM OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH
CONSENSUS.
RECOMMENDATIONS.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSENSUS; WHAT THAT WE WOULD
ALL AGREE.
THIS SEEM VERY FAIR
AS WE THE CHIEFS THAT
THE SHERIFFS POLICE OFFICERS POLICE AND PEACE OFFICERS
ASSOCIATION AND SO THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. WELCOME
THE IDEA. A GREAT WAY TO GET IN FRONT OF THESE TERRIBLE TRAGEDIES.
THAT HAVE FACED OUR
COMMUNITIES. SUPPORTING OUR
COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS OUR OFFICE YEARS LATER THE MENTAL
HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF ALL COMMUNITY BY COMMUNITY AN
AGENCY BY AGENCY.
JANUARY AND OUR FINAL SESSION
AND FINAL DELIBERATION. WE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REPRESENTATIVES
ON
THE WORK COOPER TOLD AS WE BEGAN TO QUESTION SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE ACTION
STEPS. WE'RE NOT REPRESENTING.
AND DUE PROCESS TOWARDS OFFICERS BUT
ALSO LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SUPPORT THE ISSUES WERE CHIEFS
AND SHERIFFS FELT. THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS
NOT FIT TO BE AN OFFICER.
BUT I AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
STILL HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS
BUT IF YOU TAKE A NOTE AND READ RECOMMENDATION 4.3 AND I'LL READ IT TO YOU BUT LOOK AT IT AGAIN WHEN YOU HAVE THE TENSE.
THE DEPARTMENT PUBLIC SAFETY AND PEACE UPSTAIRS AND TRAINING
BOARD HOST PORT
SHALL CONVENE FOCUS GROUPS AND
EXPERTS TO DISCUSS STRATEGIES TO INCREASE THE ROLE OF THE
POST COURT
TO APPROVE THE SUSPENDED OR REVOKED OFFICER LICENSES AT THE
CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
REQUEST IN ORDER TO
STRENGTHEN ACCOUNTABILITY. AND TRANSPARENCY OF OFFICERS
WHO VIOLATE STATE STANDARDS. THIS PROPOSAL; IT'S BEFORE YOU.
DOES NOT REPRESENT WHAT RECOMMENDATION 4.3 IS. WE HAVE
NOT HAD.
AND FAIR DISCUSSIONS ON
THESE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH
THIS BILL.
DURING DELIBERATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT ARBITRATION HEARINGS BEING ONE
HURDLE.
ITS CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER RECOMMENDING AN OFFICER
WHO IS FAILED
AGENCY POLICIES AND OR POSSIBLY
LAWS RELATED TO POSTCARD LICENSE REVOCATIONS ALREADY
EXISTED.
THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER TRIES TO DISCIPLINE AND FIRE AN OFFICER BUT THROUGH
ARBITRATION HEARINGS ORDERS. THE OFFICER BACK TO DUTY AND THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FEELS. THE OFFICER
SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
A MEMBER OF THEIR AGENCY OR ANY
LONGER A POLICE OFFICER.
EXAMPLES MIGHT BE.
NUMEROUS THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT COULD FALL INTO THIS BEYOND WHAT THE POSTCARD
ALREADY GUEST LIST.
THERE IS NO DISCUSSION FURTHER ABOUT TAKING EVERY COMPLAINT.
ANOTHER ANOTHER ISSUE THAT
WE HAVE AND THAT WAS JUST MENTION THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT TAKING EVERY COMPLAINT
ABOUT A CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER AND HAVING THE BCA
INVESTIGATE THEM. THAT WAS NOT TALKED ABOUT WAS NOT PART OF ANYTHING THAT WE DID WITH THE
WORKING GROUP.
I WOULD REMIND YOU TO THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICES IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA ARE POLICE
OFFICERS. THEY'RE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD THAT EVERY POLICE
OFFICER HAS. AND CAN BE
INVESTIGATED THE SAME WAY.
POLICE OFFICERS HAVE A BILL
THAT RIGHT AS WELL AND THEY
NEED TO BE DISCUSSED ALONG WITH ANY LEGISLATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS
AND CHANGES.
IT APPEARS CLEAR TO ME THE DISCUSSIONS PREPARED TO 7 OH 9.
WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES DID
NOT INCLUDE OR CONSIDER THE
POLICE DISCIPLINE; US OR
PROCEDURES ACT.
AGAIN THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION TO GO AFTER CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ASKED WHAT THIS PROPOSAL STATES IN THE
WORKING GROUP.
CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE ALREADY
IN PLACE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. THE DISCIPLINE PROCEDURES ACT.
I WOULD ALSO REMIND YOU THAT EVERY 4 YEARS THE SHERIFF IS
REELECTED. IS A COMMUNITY THAT IF A
COMMUNITY DOES
NOT WANT. THE SHERIFF TO CONTINUE IN THAT POSITION MAY HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT THEY
SIMPLY CANNOT ELECT THEM.
EVERY POLICE CHIEF IS OVERSEEN
BY CITY COUNCIL AND IN SOME CASES; A STRONG MAYOR FORM IT.
THAT CAN DISMISS
THE CHIEF FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY
DIRECTOR FOR THE SAME REASONS AS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. NOT AT
THE STATE LEVEL.
THESE CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE
ALREADY IN PLACE.
WHAT WAS AGREED IN WITH WORKING WITH THE WORKING GROUP AND 4.3 WAS THAT
WE WOULD
TALK FURTHER ABOUT THIS WEEK FOR ANY LEGISLATION WAS PUT
FORWARD THAT WE WOULD AGREE TO
IT.
PROBABLY PUBLIC SAFETY IN
THE POST FOR GOOD WORK WITH FOCUS GROUPS TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS THAT'S WHAT IT WAS TALKED ABOUT. YEAH; VERY OPEN
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WITH THE
ENTIRE GROUP DURING OUR
SESSIONS.
THIS PROPOSED BILL WAS NOT
DISCUSSED BY ANY FOCUS GROUP.
WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
COMMUNITY TO WANT TO WORK WITH THE PROCESS IS WORKING TO GET
RECOMMENDATIONS 4.3 STATES. WE ARE PROUD TO
HAVE BEEN ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE
WORKING GROUP ON DEADLY FORCE ENCOUNTERS AND WANT TO CONTINUE
WITH ALL WELL THAT DISCUSSIONS
WITH ALL 28 RECOMMENDATIONS AND
33 ACTION STEPS.
THE CHANGES IN 2; 7; 9 PROPOSE HERE TODAY OR NOT WHAT WAS
AGREED ON.
IN THE IN OUT FROM A SKIP OVER
SOME OF GET TO SOME
QUESTIONS POTENTIALLY. THE LAST
THING I JUST WANTED TO SAY.
AND THEN WE'LL GET THE. THE
OTHER SPEAKERS HERE.
WITH SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE
JUST MADE.
ONE CAN SEE ONE OF THE MOST
CONSISTENT.
DISCUSSIONS WE HAD WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS WHERE IS THE COST GOING TO
COME FROM.
WE HEARD FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES WITH
SMALL AGENCIES TALKING ABOUT BODY CAMERAS THAT THEY THEY
CAN'T AFFORD IT.
THEY JUST CAN'T AFFORD DOING
THAT AND BEFORE
WE MANDATE REQUIRE OFFICERS TO HAVE BODY CAMERAS ACROSS THE STATE WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO
SUPPORT THEM AND FUND IT. THE SAME WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE
ALREADY INTO 7 OH 9. SPECIFICALLY TO THE POST SPORT AND DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC SAFETY.
STARTING IN MARATHON SHERIFF WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN
HEAR FROM YET THE OTHER
THANK YOU. >> AND THE LAST THING THAT WAS THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP WAS
THAT PUBLISHING. POLICE OFFICER
NAMES MAKING THAT KNOWN.
IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS NOW INTO THAT OFFICER BUT TO THEIR FAMILIES. THEY LIVE ON THE
THREATS EVERY DAY.
THEY WORRY ABOUT THAT EVERY
DAY.
PUTTING FORWARD BILLS OR PROCESSES THAT
WILL IDENTIFY THESE OFFICERS
AND PUT THEM IN JEOPARDY.
THAT LEGISLATION.
>> THANK YOU SHERIFF THANK IT'S THE NEXT BEST FIRE PITS STATE;
YOUR NAME. >> BRIAN PETERS ON THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
MINNESOTA POLICE AND PEACE
OFFICERS ASSOCIATION; VERY GOOD GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THE COMMITTEE A PROMISE YOU MY REMARKS ARE GOING TO BE BRIEF.
I TOO WAS A MEMBER OF THE
WORKING GROUP SAT IN THESE DELIBERATIONS CAME UP
WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER. I SAID I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE REMARKS MADE BY SHERIFFED OR
CONSENT.
COMMISSIONER HARRINGTON SAID
TODAY THIS SHOULD BE THE BEGINNING THIS IS THE BEGINNING
TO START THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WHAT WAS FRUSTRATING IS BEFORE
EVEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS HEAD
COME OUT THERE IS ALREADY DRAFT LEGISLATION. THAT SOLIS SPOKE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH
WAS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING.
INSTEAD OF NOW WORKING TOGETHER
I FIND MYSELF OPPOSING
THESE BILLS. AND I'M HERE BECAUSE WE WOULD RATHER WORK
TOGETHER. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M
HERE TO SAY THANK YOU.
>> DID TO START JUST JUST FOR A
SECOND BEFORE MISTER SMALL I
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS BILL
ACTUALLY CAME UP LAST YEAR
BEFORE THE RECOMMENDATIONS CAME OUT; SO I JUST WE WE DID HEAR A VERSION OF THE BILL LAST YEAR
SO TERRA
MARIANA JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT YEAH; I'M JESSICA
COMMENT AS A
AS A. >> GERRY ADAMS STATED THIS WHAT
YOU SAW BEFORE YOU WAS A VERY
DIFFERENT BILL AND HIM AND I
HAD CONVERSATIONS AND THERE WAS IN THE PREVIOUS BILL LANGUAGE
AND I KNOW THAT HE DID TAKE THAT OUT. BUT THIS IS NOT THE
ONLY BILL THAT EXISTS
THAT TALKS AND TAKES LANGUAGE OUT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE
EVEN MADE.
>> MADAM MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS
ME MY NAME IS ROBERT SMALL ON THE EXACT DIRECTOR THAT MINNESOTA COUNTY ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION. AND I'M HERE
THIS EVENING TO TESTIFY IN
OPPOSITION TO PORTIONS OF THE
BILL THE AMENDMENT THAT
ENTER TODAY
AND SPECIFICALLY OUR OPPOSITION
IS 2 LINES 1.9 1 POINT
17 THROUGH 1.2 0.
EARLIER TODAY YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC
SAFETY AS HE OUTLINED THE
REPORT FROM THE
WORKING GROUP. INCLUDED IN THAT
REPORT IS RECOMMENDATION
3.2. AT PAGE 9 AND THAT
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE MINNESOTA COUNTY ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION SHOULD CONTINUE
WORKING TOGETHER TO DISCUSS AND DEVELOP IDEAS ON
HOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE CAN BE SUPPORTIVE AND
ENGAGED AROUND DEADLY FORCE
ENCOUNTERS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT
THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S SPECIFICALLY THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND
HIS STAFF HAVE A VERY GOOD AND
A VERY STRONG RELATIONSHIP. AND WE DO
NOT WANT PORTIONS OF THIS BILL TO ADVERSELY AFFECT THAT
RELATIONSHIP.
WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR BILL.
THAT I READ FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS WE'VE SEEN MANY VERSIONS
OF IT BEFORE.
BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE
SEEN THIS BILL THIS AFTERNOON WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL.
WITHOUT
THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL AND HIS STAFF
TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE UP BILITY TO CONTINUE TO
WORK TOGETHER.
IS GOING TO IN MY VIEW ADVERSELY AFFECT THAT
RELATIONSHIP.
SECONDLY AS YOU KNOW MINNESOTA
STATUTE; 8 POINT
OH ONE; THE DRESSES TO
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL IN CRIMINAL CASES.
SIGNIFICANTLY IT PROVIDES THAT
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FEES
ARE THE ONES WHO INITIATE THE REQUEST TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
FOR ASSISTANCE.
SPECIFICALLY UPON REQUEST TO
THE
COUNTY ATTORNEY PURDY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHALL APPEAR
IN COURT IN SUCH CRIMINAL CASES
AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DEEMS OR AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY.
WE OPPOSE LINE 1.9 WHICH AMENDS
THIS RELATIONSHIP. AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO HAVE EXCLUSIVE BUT
ALREADY IN ALL CASES IN
WHICH THE.
>> O SPORT IN WHICH THE POST BOARD. >> BESIDES THAT THERE IS NO
DESIGNATED COUNTY ATTORNEY.
SO THE POST BOARD IS DECIDING THAT THERE IS NO DESIGNATED
COUNTY ATTORNEY AND IF THERE IS
NO DESIGNATED COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL KICKS
IN BECAUSE ON THE LINE. ONE
0.9. IT EXCLUDES OUT THE REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY.
WE WELCOME CONVERSATIONS WITH
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THOSE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY. WE DON'T WANT TO BE HAMPERED IN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ITS BILL FOR THOSE REASONS
THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION OPPOSES THE CONTENT OF THIS BILL AS IT'S WRITTEN
THANK YOU MISTER SMALL.
>> CHAIR MARY ON THE I 20 MITCH WE HAVE BEFORE WE GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS JUST A CHANCE IF YOU'D LIKE TO RESPOND
TO.
>> YES; I WOULD PICK TO OVER 2
VERY
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE SAME BILL WELL UH IT'S I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT MY BILL.
AND LET ME MAKE IT A REAL PUT
UP A VERY CONCISE A.
>> RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO NONE KNOW.
>> THE STATE STANDARD POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS; IT'S THE BULK OF THIS BILL CALLS FOR
THAT.
IT CALLS FOR THE POST FOR QUITE
FRANKLY TO EXERCISE THE
AUTHORITY THERE HAS
TO ESTABLISH RULES THROUGH ITS ROBOT AUTHORITY GUIDELINES FOR
POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS. QUITE FRANKLY MEMBERS I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS NOT THE BEAT UP ON THE
POLLS FOR. OR OR OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER
WHERE YOU'RE AT IT
POSSIBLY A WALLS THAT MODERNIZE
CIRCUIT LIVERY ASSISTANCE.
THE GOVERNMENT THE QUITE I'M FRANKLY SHOCKED THAT AFTER
ALL THESE YEARS THERE ARE NO GOD LOVE IT'S ESTABLISHED FOR
POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS WHERE N.
>> REAMS AND REAMS AND
REAMS OF. >> RESEARCH AND EVAN FACT
PRECISELY FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT
SECTOR SPEAKS TO
THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING ROBUST
POLICE
COMMERCIAL INSURANCE. PRACTICES
POLICIES TRAININGS ENGAGEMENT
ET CETERA.
AND SOME PERHAPS NOMINATE HER MEMBERS TO SOME DEGREE ALL OF
US INCLUDING US HERE AT THE THE
WITH THE STABLE ARE TO SOME YOU
KNOW VICTIMIZE THEM.
THE INTERACTION OF THE PAST
FULL SUPPORT A RELATIVE TO THIS ISSUE. IT IS CERTAINLY BY
HOLD EVEN THE MERE DISCUSSION
OF THIS THAT
THIS COULD IT WILL THAT BORE TO
BE THAT
IMPORTANT DUTY.
>> WELL IT'S REALLY TO REITERATE WHAT THIS LAW DOES
THAT IT'S
BOTH AND IT'S TO US THAT
DOESN'T EVEN A PRESCRIBED.
WHAT THAT IS IS
TO ASK A LAW ENFORCEMENT OF THE OTHER POLLS FOR TO COME UP WITH
THOSE STATE STANDARDS. JUST THE THOUGHT OF QUICK SMALL POINT THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS
BILL.
THE AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH
THE SHERIFF UH HUH THERE THERE
IS
NOTHING THIS BILL THAT WILL
LIST THE NAME IN THE PRIVATE THE INFORMATION. POLICE
OFFICERS WERE WHAT WORKING WITH THE CONSTRUCTS GRIEVANCES.
CONVEY TO COLLECT
AND THAT ADDING TO IT ISSUES THAT I THINK ALL OF US FRANKLY
OUGHT TO
THE GREEN WHICH IS WHAT IT COMES TO ISSUES OF SEXUAL
HARASSMENT FOR US.
THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE A
COLLECTION OF DATA RELATED TO POLICE MISCONDUCT. IN IN THAT
AREA.
AND
AND I GET IT; I MEAN WE'VE BEEN
MOVING LEGISLATION.
THIS WILL BE THE LAST YEAR WE'RE CONSTANTLY ADJUSTING THIS
BILL AS WE WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH A NUMBER OF
LAW ENFORCEMENT WE HAVE A.
IT ALL THE INDIVIDUALS HERE
ANOTHER THAT THEY REPRESENT AND
OTHERS. CONSULAR MY
BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW
THAT MY BRINGING THIS WERE
THIS TOO HAVE A VERY STRONG
EXPECTATION OF THE 5 OF THE LEGISLATURE. THEY LOOKED UP TO WHAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT
STANDARDS FOR US TO SEE
THAT PLAYED OUT IN
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TO DO WITH CONSTANT COMMUNICATIONS.
WELL BOTH WITH
LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE ARE THESE UH HUH BUT ALSO THAT THE
GENERAL PUBLIC AND I
SO IT'S BRINGS UP SOME REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WE
SHOULD
NOT A WHAT THE TICK LATELY PARTICULARLY THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE
COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID. AND THE
ATTORNEY GEN
I AM WILLING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE AND HAVE
A NEED SO THE B. IF A WE ARE CREATING
SOME KIND OF TERRIBLE.
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNTY TURNS INTO A CERTAINLY WILLING TO BACK OFF OF THAT THAT WE PUT
THE CONTINUE. BUT THIS
DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW DO WE
THOSE RARE A; BUT
PARTICULARLY EGREGIOUS POSSIBILITIES WITH YOU HAVE A
CLEAR ROLE.
YOU KNOW FACING WILL PUT A
STRONG SUBSTANTIATED A COMPLETE CHARGE. IT GOES TO THE ISSUE OF
WHETHER OR NOT. THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE TRUST THAT
OUR BELOVED
STATE GOVERNMENT TO MONITOR WATER OURSELVES. THE FACT THAT WE WERE HURT SOME OF THE
TESTIMONY.
THIS MORNING. I DIDN'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THIS MORNING BUT IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME
THAT THERE'S A
STUNT PERCEPTION. THE MANY
PEOPLE THAT A STATE ITS LOCAL
ACTIVITIES; SORRY PEOPLE.
REGULATING HOLDING THEM SAYS
ONE ANOTHER I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE BUT I DO THINK
THAT WE HAVE TO THE AT THE PEOPLE WHO
READ A SIGN OF HOW WE DO THAT SO THAT ARE THOSE ARE MY
COMMENTS FROM.
>> I'M ALL RIGHT SO MEMBERS WE
HAVE FLASH REPRESENTATIVE
LAST REPRESENTATIVE NASH FOR
PERCENT OF DEAN OF REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON OF THE LESSER REPRESENT A FLASH THANK
YOU; I'M NOT SURE
AND I'M. >> SHE MAY I HAVE ONE QUESTION
DID YOU READ THE AGEE'S RIP.
>> PORT YOU WROTE THE BILL.
>> THAT CHAIR OR SO LESTER WROTE THE BILL BEFORE THE AGENT
REPORT IT WAS
PROVIDE IT. WE'VE BEEN
WORKING ON. THIS A ROCK CONCERT
WELL FOR WELL OVER A YEAR.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE REPORT WAS RELEASED THE FULL JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO OF THE BILL WAS.
THIS THIS VERSION OF THIS LIGHT
WHICH WAS TRAPPED. WELL BEFORE
THAT OKAY; THANK
>> REPRESENTATIVE MASH.
>> CHAIRMAN IT TO YOU SAID THAT
YOU'RE HOPING THAT THIS.
THIS BILL WILL CREATE SOME AHA MOMENTS TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE
WE'RE CREATING
SOME GOTCHA I CAN'T SUPPORT
THIS AND I WOULD ASK
IF A THE CHIEF WHAT
WOULD A TELL ME I'M READING THE BILL IT SAYS THAT THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIER FOR A PEACE OFFICER
PENDING CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS
THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIER HOW DO
YOU
UNIQUELY IDENTIFY THE MEMBERS OF A YOUR STAFF AND YOUR
OFFICERS. WELL I
THINK IT'S THANK YOU FOR THE
>> IT'S PRETTY COMMON KNOWLEDGE. EACH OFFICER; EACH
DEPUTIES; 2 PER HAS ATTACHED BUT THROUGH THE POST WORK WE
ALL HAVE A LICENSING NUMBER ONE
SPORT NUMBER. ENOUGH THAT WOULD
BE IF YOU KNOW THEM THIS BILL
IS STATES THAT TALKS ABOUT THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIER RELATED TO
THE PRO SPORT. MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING THEY GO TOWARDS WOULD BE USING
OUR FULL SUPPORT NUMBERS; THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE THAT'S NOT A
PROBLEM SO MUCH IN A LOT THE AGENCY SAINT PAUL MINNEAPOLIS;
MAYBE
THE STATE THERE FOR A SMALL AGENCY A SMALL COUNTY A SMALL POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE
CHIEF UN. 5 OR 6 PART TIME
DEPUTIES
OR OFFICERS. WHEN IT'S PUBLISHED THAT KITTSON COUNTY
BADGE OR
IDENTIFIER NUMBER 1;
3; 5; 7; AND THERE'S ONLY 5 OTHER PEOPLE THAT USE IT'S
GOING IDENTIFY
THOSE OFFICERS AND SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
>> AND GET THIS SHERIFF MARIAN
EU
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS
ACTUALLY THIS ONE 2ND THAT
CHAIR; I JUST IF COUNCIL COULD ASK THEIR COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS ARE A BADGE NUMBER REQUIRED OR A NAME MS. THAT IS
THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU I WOULD
MISS TO GIVE UP. MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS.
>> NO THAT'S NOT SPECIFIED IN THE BILL THAT
WOULD BE IDENTIFIED INTENT.
I BELIEVE IS TO HAVE AN
>> A UNIQUE IDENTIFIER TO TRACK
THE COMPLAINTS TO AVOID
DISCLOSURE OF THE OFFICERS
PERSONALLY IDENTIFIED. >> IF RATION; THANK YOU MISTER TO GET A CHECK THAT YOU HAVE
SOMETHING
BUT I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY GOOD REPRESENTATIVE NASH DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP TO DO.
I STILL WE'RE HAVE CONCERNS
ABOUT.
>> IN A SMALL AGENCY THAT THAT UNIQUE IDENTIFIER IS GOING TO
BE OUT THERE IN THE
WORKING IN CYBERSECURITY I HAVE
I HAVE NO FAITH THAT ANY DATABASE NOT A BE ON THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO
COMPROMISE AND
I HAVE PRETTY PRETTY TREMENDOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BUT I WANT
WE'LL HEAR MORE FROM YOU ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THAT
YOU STARTED OFF WITH SAYING.
THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE THE FINAL BILL THAT WE
WOULD HEAR WOULD BE IN CONSULTATION WITH
YOU THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT WE SAW BEFORE US HERE IN
THE LEGISLATURE WAS GOING
TO HAVE. I'M SORT OF A CO-OPERATIVE AGREEMENT THAT THAT THE PEACE OFFICERS OF
DIFFERENT TYPES ACROSS
OUR STATE WOULD FEEL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN RESPECTED SUFFICIENTLY AND THEIR VOICES
WERE RESPECTED SUFFICIENTLY AND
THAT YOU COULD COME FORWARD. WITH THIS BILL AND SAY WE'RE OK
WITH US.
DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY AND
SAYING THAT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. >> SHERIFF THAT THE ARSON THINK YOU CAN GET THAT HAS NOT
HAPPENED.
>> WE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS DURING THE MONTHS
THAT WE WERE WE WERE WITH THE WORKING GROUP. I'M VERY FRANC
VERY
HONEST CONVERSATIONS AND WE FELT FOR A LONG TIME THAT WE'RE
GETTING
THAT DONE. BUT WITH SOME OF THE
THAT DID COME FORWARD ARE WE IN JANUARY WE STARTED TO
QUESTION A VERY
BUCKLEY AND
UH HUH IT CAME BACK TO
US THAT WELL WE'RE NOT GOING TO REACH CONSENSUS ON THESE THINGS
SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD ANYWAY. IF YOU WANT TO
FILE A CONSENTING BUT A
DISSENTING BRIEF YOU CAN WAS OUR CHOICE AT THAT
TIME TONIGHT. FILE ANY
ADDITIONAL GREECE ALONG
WITH THIS THE TIME BUT THE COME AND TALK TO YOU FACE TO FACE THE KNICKS EXPRESSED OUR
CONCERNS WITH THE DIFFERENT
FACTIONS PACK. AND THE BILL
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR; A LETTER TO PRESIDENT NASH ONE
2ND TERM ARIANE
>> THIS IS NOT THE GDPS IS
BILL.
WE MOST LIKELY WILL
SEE SOMETHING FROM THE
DEPARTMENT COMES FORWARD WELL
WE'LL SEE I WOULD CERTAINLY
HOPE POSTER THAT THEY
THAT THEY WELL IN THIS WHEN THEY DO THAT THEY THAT THEY HOPE TO THE SPIRIT OF THE AGREEMENT BUT NOT EVERY ONE OF THE PEOPLE I THINK THAT'S
CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT ABSOLUTELY THAT'S A
TASK THAT WORK THEM POLICE INVOLVED SHOOTINGS. THIS IS A PIECE OF LEGISLATION OF ITS
FOCUS. A POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND HOW DO
WE ADVANCE THE I
WORK WITH ADVISEMENT FOALE
LEGISLATORS HERE. NEVER TO
SEE THERE. HOWARD AUTHORITY TO LEGISLATE TO THE EXECUTIVE
BRANCH. NUMBER ONE.
IN FACT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT
WE DO. IF THIS SEES THAT IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR US TO PARENTS.
POWERFUL CONCEPTS AND UP IT'S
BEEN PATIENTS ARE A POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS. WE DON'T
NEED THAT THE PSA SIGN OFF ON.
WELL WHAT I DO THINK WE SHOULD
DO IS TO CONTINUE TO HOW THE
CONVERSATION OF ALL THE
LEGISLATORS BUT I JUST WANT TO
MAKE IT REAL CLEAR FOR US FOR
US TO
BE CLEAR NOT TO THINK ABOUT
THIS BILL STRICTLY LIMITED
CONFINED CONSTRAINED THE FIGHT.
BY GDPS IS WORK WORK GROUPS
IMPORTANT WORK.
THIS IS NOT THEIR WORK WILL SEE IF THEY COME FORWARD WITH SOMETHING REPRESENTATIVE
NATIONALLY I THINK THEY WILL
I HOPE THEY WILL BECAUSE THE CLOCK TO STICKING; BUT THIS IS
NOT
THEIR BILL. >> AND I THINK IF I MAY JUST WHAT THE COMMON WERE NOT
DEBATING
THERE'S THERE'S THERE IS
PORTIONS OF THAT IN 2; 7; O 9
RELATED TO THE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS THAT WE DO SUPPORT AND THAT WAS A WHOLE LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WERE WITH
THE
WORKING GROUP. IT DOESN'T MATCH EXACTLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE WORKING GROUP; BUT IT
DEFINITELY IS
VERY CLOSE. AND
THERE IS ON THE OTHER AND THAT I WOULD SAY THERE IS A LOT OF
AGENCIES; INCLUDING MY OWN THAT
ARE
REALLY VERY GOOD WORK AND I WOULD SAY AMAZING WORK IN OUR COMMUNITIES WORKING WITH ALL OF
OUR
GROUPS AND
ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES SO AGAIN WITHOUT THROWING A BLANKET OVER SAY WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WE'RE
DOING A LOT AND WE WANT
TO WORK WITH THOSE INVOLVED
TO CREATE THE LEGISLATION CREATE THE POLICIES THAT GO
FORWARD WE WANT TO WORK WITH
THE WITH WHOEVER IT IS TO TO
MAKE IT BETTER THAT'S THAT'S OUR ARE OVERALL GOAL IN ALL OF
THIS IS TO MAKE IT BETTER AND
SAFER MINNESOTA.
>> THANK YOU ALSO HAD SOME THINGS VERY SIR YES; THANK YOU
CHAIR MEMBERS. >> THE COMMITTEE; YOU KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT THIS BILL I STARTED ENROLL.
>> IN A JUNE OF
2019. >> REPRESENT OVER 10;000 LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS
ACROSS THE
CHAIR MARY ANN IN A COMMENT THAT WE ALL PARTICIPATED IN THIS AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT
IN THIS PARTICULAR BILL.
I PARTICIPATED IN A MEET AND
GREET WITH CHAIR MARY ON E HE
DISCUSSED WHERE HE WAS GOING. AND I WAS TOLD THEY WOULD GET A DRAFT IN A COUPLE WEEKS; WHAT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS
LATER THAT I DID READ THAT
DRAFT AND WE HAD CONCERN AND THE ONLY OTHER DISCUSSION THAT
I HAD ON THIS BILL WAS THE OTHER DAY; UNFORTUNATELY CHAIR MARY AND IT
WAS CAUGHT IN THE FLOOR AND WE
HAD TO
WHICH MAIL AND YOU KNOW AT THAT POINT IT IT'S MORE ABOUT THE
PHILS
ALREADY WRITTEN AND IT'S IT WAS TOO LATE TO REALLY GO BACK AND
IN CONSTRUCTOR
START OVER SO FROM MY ORGANIZATIONS PER EXPECT OF
WE'VE NOT REALLY HAD A VOICE
HOW THIS BILL WAS DRAFTED.
>> OK I WANT TO GO I WANT TO
KEEP PUSHING ON WITH MEMBERS QUESTIONS REPRESENTATIVE NASH YOU HAD TO FOLLOW UPS. I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOU AND
INTERVENE.
>> CHIEF YOUR TICKET IS
SOME CONCERN THE BODY CAM ISSUE
THAT YOU BROUGHT UP I TO SHARE A LOT OF CONCERNS OF BODY CAMS.
I'M I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT
AND GERMANY ON IS SAYING IT'S NOT IN THERE. BUT I HEAR ALL
THIS WRAP THIS UP.
WE HAVE A LOT OF BILLS THAT OF
GERMANY ON YOU STATED.
THIS IS TO CREATE GREATER
COMMUNITY RELATIONS WITH THE
POLICE. RIGHT.
I'M LISTENING TO THE POLICE
RIGHT NOW RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM TELLING US THAT THEY DON'T
FEEL LIKE THEY PARTICIPATED
IN THIS AND THIS I THINK AND YOU HEARD THAT THIS IS GOING TO CREATE A A PORTER RELATIONSHIP
WITH THEM.
WHY ARE
WE PUTTING PEACE IN A
POSITION WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY NOW IF THIS BILL MOVES WE'RE GOING TO BE AT A DISADVANTAGE
FROM UP FROM A CAN A.
PUBLIC POLICY PERSPECTIVE IN A COMMUNITY RELATIONS. I DON'T HEAR COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND
THIS I HEAR COPS ARE BAD AND WE'RE GOING MAKE
YOU PAY THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE.
AND I'M HAVING NONE OF IT.
>> THE JOURNAL THAT'S A RHETORICAL COMBAT REQUESTED
THAT I WILL SAY THE COMMUTE TO
A POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS
IS A.
>> THE STAB WOUNDS CONCEPT THE SET OF ACTIVITIES SUPPORTED BY
EMPIRICAL OTHER IT'S A IT'S
JUST
THAT EARLIER RISING MOSTLY ARE
HEAVILY FROM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HER
SON OF A POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS. IF IF IF THE COMET HAS TO DO WITH THAT.
MY ABILITY TO KEEP PACE IS WHAT
WILL BE THROUGH A VERY DIFFICULT QUICK WILL THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION WHERE
PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND
I ARE GOOD STUFF FROM THE FLOOR FOR HOURS ON THAT SITE DIDN'T THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT
A
TO A NOT BE HAPPY THAT WE
DIDN'T HAVE THAT MEETING THAT'S A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR SOLID
LEGISLATIVE I WILL TOTALLY OWN UH HUH BUT POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS MEMBERS
ISN'T IT HORTON CONCEPT FOR
PUBLIC SAFETY IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME THERE IS A DEEP
SOCIAL SCIENCE; THE SORT
OF PRACTICES WHERE I BELIEVE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY
MEMBERS.
HAPPILY OVERLAP AND
BY BASIC THE PROPOSAL BEFORE
COULD TIMES THAT
THIS STATE. THROUGH ITS THROUGH
ITS
AT THE PO SPORT HAS DONE VERY LITTLE TO DEFINE WHAT THAT IS
AND 2 TO UPDATE.
OUR EXPECTATIONS RELATIVE TO
BOTH THE PRACTICE OF THE SCIENCE OF POLICE COMMUNITY
RELATIONS THAT MANY OF YOU
REMEMBER; WE BEGAN ONE OF THE FAIR EARLY US HERE IS WHERE WE
FIRST MET A ROOM WITH
20 OTHER CAPITAL BY HEARING BY
FROM THE NATIONAL EFFECT INTERNATIONAL EXPERT COMMUNITY
POLICE
OH GOSH TO CHIEF MUELLER BELIEVE THIS IS THE ATTORNEY
FOR BLUE OR A
AND SO THAT'S WHAT
I REPRESENT. IF THE
CRITICISM IS THIS IS A RELATIVE TO LIVE AT THE FACILITY COULD
HAVE THOUGHT OF TOLD ME ON THAT. I WANT TO REASSURE YOU
I WANT TO ASSURE YOU AND OUR
COLLEAGUES HERE THAT.
IT'S NOT LIGHT TOUCH IT AND NOT
THE ATTENTION THAT THIS LEGISLATION TO CUOCO CALL AFTER COPS THAT REALLY IS TO ADVANCE
THIS NOTION OF COMMUNITY
POLICE RELATIONS HAS WITH THERE
ARE A STANDARD SET OF STANDARDS
AND ACCOUNTABILITY SAYS
IN OUR STATE SO WE COULD KNOW;
THE EFFECT
THAT THIS OF THAT WORK ALL ACROSS ALL OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES AND COMMUNITIES
MANAGER JUST A QUICK FOLLOW-UP.
>> GET GIVEN ABOUT A
REPRESENTATIVE THAT IN JUST ONE
MOMENT HERE THOUGH I JUST ALSO WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT I YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE INTERPRETATIONS ON THIS
BILL AND SAY IT'S DOING
SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK
THAT WE'RE ALL THINKING THAT POLICE ARE BAD AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR HERE AND SHERIFF I REALLY VALUE YOUR
OPINION. SO YES; GO AHEAD.
>> MADAM CHAIR AND CHAIR
MARIANI. IF YOUR
INTENT IS TO FOSTER A SOLID
RELATIONSHIP. WITH PEACE
OFFICERS ACROSS OUR STATE.
WHY WOULD YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH
THE BILL THAT YOU HAVE JUST
TOLD US THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD
THE TIME TO MEET WITH THEM. SO I WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION TO LATEST ON THE TABLE AND REQUEST A ROLL CALL.
THERE'S A MOTION FOR ROLL CALL
ON THE TABLE.
>> AND NON NON DEBATE. A
STREETS GIVE LOCALS A BATTLE TO
OVERCOME; BUT ALL THE WAY OVER THEM CLARIFICATION WILL CUT THE WEIGHT OVER IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR
REPRESENTATIVE ACTION.
>> MADAM CHAIR; MY MY MOTION IT'S TOO LATE IS ON THE TABLE
AND TO HAVE YOU ROLL CALL TO LATEST ON THE TABLE. >> ERICA; THANK YOU
REPRESENTATIVE MASH.
AT COUNCIL CAN YOU WITH THIS
NON OF EMOTION. IT'S THE TITLE
ROLE CALLS BEEN REQUESTED.
IS EXCUSED WINDOW.
>> ALL RIGHTS COMMITTEE AT THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS WITH 8
NAME IS AND 5.
>> YES S.
WE'RE GOING TO MEMBERS WILL
CONTINUE TO GO AND I JUST WANT TO BE VERY RESPECTFUL OF MEMBERS TIMES WE HAVE NUMEROUS
BILL STILL ON THE CALENDAR. REPRESENTATIVE DEAN AND THE REPRESENTATIVE
JOHNSON.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND THAT'S GOT 2 QUESTIONS FIRST
ONE I BELIEVE IT'S TOO. CHAIR MARY ON ME AS I LOOK AT
THIS AND I THINK YOU MAY HAVE
ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER SHORT
OF SECTION WON
IN SECTION. 2 OF THIS BILL IT APPEARS THAT THE REST OF THIS
IS SOMETHING THAT COULD ALREADY BE AUTHORIZED BY THE WHOLE
SPORT.
>> THE BETTER REPRESENT
BUT I
BELIEVE THIS THAT AS I
STATED EARLIER. I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE HAD A
AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THAT FRANKLY I THINK PART OF THE
CHALLENGE THAT THE. A
HIS HEAD IS THAT
THE POPE OR HAS EXERCISE AUTHORITY GRANTED TO IT A LONG
TIME AGO.
TO ESTABLISH A HELPFUL
GUIDELINE SO FOR THAT
RELATIONS IF I IF I
CALLED IT HOW MANY BUT THE GROUPS THAT COME TO MY OFFICE
THAT ASK YOU TO PASS A PIECE
OF LEGISLATION. RELATED TO
PULSE PRODUCTIVE A TEASE WERE
MY RESPONSE IS GO TALK TO THE
POLLS OR THEY HAVE
AUTHORITY HERE. YOU KNOW THE
ISSUE IS WHETHER PERFECT NUMBERS ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT
WE HAVE THAT AFFECT THE WHOLE SPORT. IT BEHOOVES ALL OF US TO
HAVE ONE. I BELIEVE THAT NEW LEADERSHIP AT THE POLLS SPORT THAT THAT IS QUITE POSSIBLE.
I HOPE THAT THAT
IT IS BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR US
TO ARTICULATE. THE HIGH VALUE THAT WE SHOULD HOLD BOTH TOOK THE POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS
WORK.
>> REPRESENTATIVE DID NOT THINK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND THANK YOU
CHAIR MANNING AND I DON'T KNOW
WHO CAN ANSWER THIS
MIGHT BE. JUST WANT TO I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS NEXT QUESTION. SO
CURRENTLY WE HAVE MANY COUNTIES THE STATE OF MINNESOTA TO DON'T HAVE COME
A NEW TURN.
AND JUDGE KNOW EVERY WEEK WE HAVE 87 COUNTY ATTORNEYS IN THE
7 COUNTIES; OK; SO SO MY
QUESTION IS FOR THOSE. THE ATTORNEYS IN THE CASE IS THAT THEY CAN'T TAKE ON
THEIR OFFICE
BY THEMSELVES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S WHEN THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL WILL STEP IN TO
ASSIST THEM. IN A PROSECUTION
HAS PARTICULAR CASES. >> MEANT CHAIR; A REPRESENTATIVE PETE AT THE
COUNTY ATTORNEY'S REQUEST.
A GREAT EXAMPLE JUST HAD A MURDER CASE UP AND CARLTON
COUNTY THE CARBON
COUNTY ATTORNEY REQUESTED THE
ASSISTANCE OF THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO ASSIGNED AN ATTORNEY FROM THAT
OFFICE TO ASSIST. THE CARLTON
COUNTY ATTORNEY AND IT WAS SUCCESSFUL AND AND CONVICTION IN THAT
CASE.
>> REPRESENTATIVE THANK THANK
YOU. MADAM CHAIR AND.
A SMALL AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S CONCERN WITH COUNTY ATTORNEYS IN THIS BILL THAT
IT'S NO LONGER. BASED ON THE REQUEST BUT BASED
ON DECISION OR THE AUTHORITY OF THE COUNTY TO
ME WITH THAT CORRECT.
>> WELL ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE AT
THEIR KNOW OKAY; IT'S ACTUALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE POST
BOARD.
THE WHOLE SPORT DETERMINES
WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A
DESIGNATED COUNTY ATTORNEY.
DESIGNATED COUNTY ATTORNEY SOME
ONE OTHER THAN THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY IN WHICH THE OF THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS
LOCATED. SO THAT COULD BE 86 COUNTY ATTORNEYS. BUT THE
POST BOARD
THEN DECIDES IF THERE IS NO DESIGNATED COUNTY ATTORNEY AND
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
IF THERE IS NO DESIGNATED COUNTY ATTORNEY THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL SHALL.
AND I KNOW THAT HE'S TALKING TO
YOU; BUT THAT IS LANGUAGE AND THAT'S WHAT IT
SAYS AND IF IT IS NOT WHAT IT
MEANS IN THE WORDS OUGHT TO BE
DIFFERENT.
>> THANK YOU; MADAM
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON.
AND CHARLESTON.
A COUPLE QUESTIONS ANEW.
I'M IN THIS THING IT SAYS THAT
TALKS ABOUT THE CHIEF UH.
LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
THE APARTMENT AND THE. POST-WAR
TO PROVE IT.
TALKING ABOUT 2 INVESTIGATES.
IF THERE'S IT HAPPENS TO
BE A ELECTED COUNTY CORONER AND
APPOINTING COUNTY CORONER.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
INVESTIGATING MR.
>> THE INVESTIGATION IS STILL AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH
WITH THE.
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT'S NOT ALL OF MY COUNTY FIRST OF ALL
THAT'S THAT CAN BE TAKEN OVER AS FAR AS IF THERE'S A CASE TO
BE FILED. IS I THINK YOU'RE
REFERRING
IF A CORONER A WEATHER ELECTED OR APPOINTED WHO CAN ARREST THE
SHERIFF THERE IS THAT. BUT
THAT'S ONLY IN
CASES WHERE. AND I'VE EVEN HAD NEVER EVEN HEARD OF ONE OF MY 40 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT
CORNERS
THAN THAT IN MY COUNTY WE HAVE
A MEDICAL EXAMINER WE DON'T
HAVE IT CARTER SO IN MY COUNTY THAT'S NOT THE CASE BUT IF I
WAS UNDER INVESTIGATION.
IT WOULD NOT BE MY COUNTY ATTORNEY WOULD DO IT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY WOULD GIVE IT TO
ANOTHER
COUNTY TOURNEY GENERALLY ONE OR
2 COUNTIES REMOVED FROM US AND
WE'VE DONE THAT AND OTHER
CASES. WHETHER SOME LEVEL OF
CONFLICT
INVOLVES SO THAT THAT THAT WOULD THAT BE FOR THE AS A
FORMULA THAT ALREADY IN PLACE. >> A REPRESENTATIVE TO BE FOR THE PROSECUTION BUT THE
INVESTIGATION WOULD BE
DONE BY. >> A DIFFERENT AGENCY NORMALLY GOING TO SHARE A PIECE IS YEAH
THE
PENDING ON. >> WHAT THE WHAT IS IT COULD BE THAT WE COULD REQUEST THE BCA TO DO IT WE COULD REQUEST
ANOTHER POLICE OR A. >> SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO DO IT. BUT OBVIOUSLY ONE THAT WOULD
HAVE A WE HAVE LITTLE.
EVERY FEW LITTLE CONFLICT OF
INTEREST TO SEEK THAT OUT OBVIOUSLY.
>> THE PRESIDENT OF CHARLES
AND ALSO THE QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL YOU'VE YOU'VE DEALT WITH THIS BUT DISCIPLINARY
PROCEDURES IN YOUR DEPARTMENT.
YES. THERE ARE MORALS AND.
SOMETIMES ITS ISSUES.
WHERE HOW LONG A DISCIPLINARY
ACTION OR A FALSE CLAIM CAN BE KEPT IN A PERSONAL FILES THAT CORRECT THAT'S
RIGHT.
AND THE READING THIS BILL THIS AND INFORMATION WHERE THEY'RE
AT SEA.
ACTUAL LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT FOR DISCIPLINARY ACTION WAS TAKEN
OR A FALSE REPLAY. FALSE COMPLAINT DORIAN FOUNDED
COMPLAINT.
SENT TO THE POST BOARD.
WHICH READING
THIS THIS HAS BECOME PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT THE PERSON DID NOTHING WRONG AND THAT
INFORMATION CAN BE
KEPT FOREVER. >> REPRESENTATIVE DUNCAN HUNTER SOMEBODY FROM THE POST IS
ACTUALLY
PRESENT HERE ARE YOU KNOW YOU ARE BUT THANK YOU IF YOU COULD JUST COMING DOWN FOR A MOMENT
HERE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS THAT I JUST WANT TO GET
CLARIFIED HERE. CHERELUS AND THAT'S THAT'S IN
THE BILL.
DON'T HAVE TO MAKE IT SO EASY
FOR THE JURY BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T GIVE US YOUR NAME PLEASE AND THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN
>> MY NAME IS ERIC MISTLETOE IN THE INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
FOR THE MINNESOTA POST PORT.
COULD YOU SEE OR WHAT LAST NAME BUT WE'RE TIME ERICA MISSILE MISSILE TOOK LIKE MISSILE THAT
WITH ATNT AND OKAY.
>> OKAY WELL SO
AT WE'VE HEARD NUMEROUS THINGS
OFFICERS INFORMATION. I'M BEING
YOU KNOW THAT THAT DEFINITELY
DOES CONCERN ME I DON'T WE
DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR NAMES OUT THERE AND OFFICERS WE WANT THEM TO BE PROTECTED SHERIFF; I'M
WITH
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DON'T YOU ALREADY COLLECTED
DATA LIKE THIS ALREADY AND IT TELL ME HOW YOU DO THAT OUR
OFFICERS IDENTIFIED BY THEIR
BADGE NUMBER TO MY UNDERSTANDING I LOOKED INTO
THIS A WHILE AGO AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN SO JUST IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE HOW YOU COLLECTED DATA ON AGENCIES WHAT
THAT
LOOKS LIKE AND HOW DO YOU
PROTECT THE OFFICERS PRIVACY
OK; SO FIRST
>> ALL OF THE DATA THAT THE WHOLE SPORT HOLDS IS CONSIDER
LEISING
LICENSING DATA UNDER STATUTE 13
DOT FOR THE FOR
A LICENSEE AND I'M NOT TALKING
ABOUT SOMEONE WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO BE LICENSED IN OTHER WORDS
HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED A POST
LICENSE FOR A LICENSEE
THEIR NAME. CLOSE LICENSE
NUMBER ORIGINAL
LICENSE STATES. THERE'S A
NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE
PUBLIC DATA. THERE ARE OTHER
THINGS THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC DATA
FOR WHICH IS THE AGENCY THEY
WORK FOR. SO AS THE DATA
PRACTICES IN MY PREVIOUS ROLE.
I WOULD OFTEN PUT PROVIDE INFORMATION BUT ONE OF
THE ON LICENSEES FROM
DATA REQUESTS BUT ONE OF THINGS
THAT CAN TELL THEM IS WHAT
DEPARTMENT THEY WORK FOR EVEN THOUGH 99.9% OF THE TIME
SOMEBODY ASKING
ALREADY KNOWS. BUT THE OFFICERS
WORKING AND SAW HOW DO
>> THE REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP AND WHETHER
OR NOT IT'S A FALSE ALLEGATION CRACKED. HOW DO HOW DID YOU YOU
KNOW CODE THAT DATA HOW TO
YES; YES. >> UNDER THAT SAME STATUTE AS A
AS A
LICENSING AGENCY THAT DATA IS
EITHER PRIVATE OR
THE ONLY DATA IN TERMS OF DISCIPLINE THAT IS PUBLIC IS
ONE FINAL DISCIPLINE IS ISSUED
MEANING A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
WHEN WE PROVOKE SOMEONE'S
LICENSE OR SPEND IT WHEN THERE'S FINAL THIS BEEN DONE
THAT IS PUBLIC.
ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT PUBLIC
COMPLAINTS ARE NOT PUBLIC. UNLESS THERE AGAIN FINAL
DISPOSITION.
>> ALL RIGHT REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON TO HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP AND IT LOOKS LIKE MEMBER
QUESTIONS ARE. I DO NOT KNOW
WHAT FOLLOWED LET'S KEEP IT REALLY SHORT REPRESENTATIVE
THANK YOU KEEPING A SHORT AS THEY CAN THIS IS A MIX OF AN AREA THAT IS IMPORTANT
IMPORTANT ISSUE.
YEAH LIKE I JUST I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN KEEP THE DIFFERENT REPUBLICAN DATA BECAUSE IT
REQUESTS THE IT'S ENDING PUBLIC
SO IT.
HOW DO YOU MAKE SEND PUBLIC DEBT AND MAKE IT PRIVATE ASKED.
IT'S I'M ASKING A QUESTION THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING
WITH. AND THEN ONE LAST THING.
THE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A EXCELLENCE IN POLICING DAY
THIS IS FAR FROM THAT.
I'M DISAPPOINTED IN A CHAIR
MARY AWNING.
I SAID HE DID NOT HAVE THE LOOK
AT THE REPORTER ANYTHING BEFORE
WRITING THE BILL.
THIS BILL
IS PRINTED. AND SENT OUT ON
MARCH 3RD YESTERDAY TO BE PLACED IN AN AMENDMENT TO GET
THE REPORT LONG FOR THEM.
THAT GAME IS ON THE.
>> I THINK PRESIDENT REPRESENTATIVE MARION WANT TO BE A MOMENT TO TO RESPOND TO
THAT. WELL THEY HAVE
>> I THINK REPRESENT JOHNSON
WAS EXPRESSING.
PERSONAL.
BELIEF I SUSPECT
PEOPLE IS ALL I COULD DO IS PERCENT THE BILL AS I'VE
WRITTEN IT ON PAPER. SO I CAN
DO. ALL WE
COULD DO THAT THE POSSIBILITY
WHICH IS HER FOR THE POST PORT.
ABOUT WHAT IS PUBLIC.
THAT'S WHAT PRIVATE LIKE TO DO IS PUT LANGUAGE IN THE BILL THAT MAKES IT REAL CLEAR.
THE PRIVATE CONFIDENTIAL DATA
IT'S NOT GOING TO
BE SURE ALL I CAN DO IS PUT THE BILL THAT FOR PUBLIC DISCLOSURE
WILL HAVE SOME OF THE DATA UM I
DON'T KNOW HOW TO ARGUE OUTSIDE OF WHAT THEY CLEARLY PUT ON
PAPER.
PERHAPS THAT'S A
CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE ON THE
OUTSIDE OF THE LITTER THE THE PROCESS THE BODY I WOULD HOPE
THAT WE WERE.
I FULLY EXPECT DISAGREEMENTS UP
FOR US TOO. THE TOUGH WITH ONE ANOTHER ABOUT WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO
DO.
NOT TO RESPOND FOR A
POLITICAL RHETORICAL YOU KNOW EXPRESSIONS OF QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT THIS IS A REALLY
IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND FRANKLY.
BUT EDITORS BEEN TO WORK
WITH THEM. WELL VERY
MUCH WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTS OF
THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN THE
POLL SPORT. IT INVOLVED A DOUBT THAT A QUITE FRANKLY GO RECOLLECT IT'S A REALLY DIRECT
THAT. AS A WAY FOR THE POLL SUPPORT
TO PARENTS.
DIRECTIVES AND GUIDANCE RELATED
TO THE POLICE COME RUSSIANS. THAT SUIT THAT IS
BOTH THE HEAD OF THE AUTHOR. IT IS THE LEG THAT
ON
THE PAPER. I THINK THAT'S WAS
ROSES SOME PRETTY CRITICAL.
THE HORTON THE ISSUES AND THE
OTHER OF LATER THIS OF THE NIGHT BAUR AU THE WILLING TO
CONTINUE TO DIVE INTO. AND MAKE
SURE THAT I DO NO HARM. I'M LIKE TO DO IS SHARE WITH MY
THAT SO WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE THIS
BILL FORWARD. >> GLAD TO HEAR THAT ARE REPRESENTED UP WITH SARAH YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUR LAST
MEMBER ASKING THE QUESTION
SEC AHEAD.
>> I THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND
ECZEMA QUESTION IS TO YOU WHAT NEAR MIAMI WITH THE MOTION IS ON THIS AND WHAT I'M ASKING IS
IT BEING REFERRED TO. JUDICIARY
JUDICIARY AND THE THINK
>> I KNOW FURTHER AND I'M SURE MANY OF YOU MAY THINK THAT YOU'RE TO TEND TO HAVE A
SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY SIR.
SO HE MOVED UP TO IT GOT BIGGER; IT WILL I THINK WE'RE
READY OK WELL.
SO THE MOTION IS TO MOVE THE
HOUSE FILE WHAT TO SAY 9 A TO
JUDICIARY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE
AYE O F AMENDED EXCUSE ME.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE
ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NOW.
ALL RIGHT 27 OH 9 IS ON ITS WAY THROUGH JUDICIARY. THANK YOU
CHAIR MARY ANN.
>> SECTOR REPRESENT WILSON FOR
HAVING A GAVEL.
AND NOW WITH RIPS HEARST
HARTSTEIN HAS
HAS FILED 3; 8; OH 3 SEVERAL PERCENT OF HER SEEM TO CHAIR MOVES. WHERE WERE WE THEY CAN
USE THEM.
WELL WE ASKED THE AUTHOR
OF THIS OF COURSE; I'M NOT SURE
WHERE THE MOVE TILE TO BUT I'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR YOU THAT
>> UNDERSTANDING MISTER IS THAT
THIS DOES THE TO GO REPRESENT LEDGES COMMITTEE. JUDICIARY BECAUSE
THERE
ARE SOME ISSUES AND SOME CHANGES IN PROCEDURES FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN
RIGHTS THERE.
>> BY COUNCIL THOUGH CA BECAUSE OF THAT NEEDS TO GO THERE OR NOT THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE THE CHAIR THE MOVE
HAS FILED 3; 8; 3; 7; WE REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE AND JUDICIARY
REPRESENT OF
PORT CITY. >> THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH MISTER CHAIR FOR HEARING THIS BILL I I WILL HAVE A FEW TESTIFIES BUT JUST BRIEFLY
WANTED LET'S GO OVER A FEW
OF THEM MISTER CHAIR
MEMBERS WE IN RECENT YEARS AND
MINNESOTA AND AROUND THE
SIGNIFICANT INCREASE AND BIAS AND HATE BUT A BIASED MOTIVATED
AND HATE CRIMES AND THOSE OF
AFFECTED A BROAD RANGE
OF MINNESOTANS.
>> AS A MYSELF AND OTHERS I
DON'T KNOW I REPRESENT NEW EARTH HERE. THERE IS HE'S GOING
TO PRESENT THIS
WITH ME A LOT OF REPRESENTED
THANK REPRESENTATIVE NORM;
MYSELF AND OTHER MEMBERS.
GOT CONTACTED AND WERE ENGAGED WITH VARIOUS COMMUNITY
ORGANIZATIONS AND
ASKED THEM. WHAT WHAT DO YOU NEED TO RESPOND TO THIS
PROBLEM. THE RESULT OF THAT WAS
THIS
BILL WE HAD A PROCESS THAT LASTED ALMOST 2 YEARS TO TO GET
TO THIS POINT AND
BASICALLY THERE'S 3 CENTRAL PARTS OF THIS NUMBER ONE IS
CLOSE A LOOPHOLE IN
OUR CURRENT HATE
CRIME STATUTES WHICH UH HUH DOES NOT REALLY ADDRESS THE
ISSUE OF CRIMES
TO PROPERTY. A CRIME TO A
RACIST A GRAFFITI ON IT
RAJ OR A SWASTIKA
PAINTED ON ON A WE'RE NOT REALLY AS ARE DEFINED AS SUCH AS A HATE CRIME SO WE DO THAT
IN THIS BILL
SECONDLY WE HAVE A NEW AND I
THINK
VERY IMPORTANT. THAT ARE PROPOSED STATUTE THE COMMUTE
THE GROUP'S TOLD
US DIRECTLY IT WAS IMPORTANT TO
THAT. I SAY COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT COLLABORATED BUT THE WITH JEWISH COMMUNITY ACTION. THE JEWISH COMMUNITY RELATIONS COUNCIL; THE COUNCIL ON
AMERICAN
ISLAMIC RELATIONS OUT FRONT
MINNESOTA AND OTHERS THEY FELT THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT
INCIDENTS TO DIRECTLY BECAUSE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE REPORTING
TO A
COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATION
BUT THOSE REPORTS MAY NOT BE GOING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT SO WE
HAVE A MECHANISM TO DO
COMMUNITY REPORTING. AND FINALLY MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS WERE GIVING IN THIS STILL SOME
TOOLS TO
LAW ENFORCEMENT
ADDITIONAL TRAINING
FOR EXAMPLE; AND SOME UNIFORM CRITERIA AND STANDARDS
FOR DEFINING HATE CRIMES.
THIS IS PART OF AGAIN IN A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH THE
COMMUNITIES. THEY ALSO WANT TO SAY WE WORK VERY CLOSELY
WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
OFFICE YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM
VERY EXTENSIVE. SERIES OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT THEY
HELD
THIS PAST CONVENED BY ATTORNEY
GENERAL ELSE AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND COMMISSIONS SARAH WAS HERE AND
SHE WILL TESTIFY AS WELL TALKING ABOUT THEIR INVOLVEMENT
AND HOW THEY VIEW
THIS PROBLEM; SOME MEMBERS THAT IS THE BILL AND I I JUST WANTED
TO ALSO
REPRESENT NEW GIVE US HIS OBSERVATIONS AGAIN WE'VE WORKED
ON THIS TOGETHER.
MISTER CHAIR AND MEMBER IT'S A
CERTAIN DOOR.
>> SO SO THIS BILL CAME ABOUT AFTER SEVERAL INCIDENTS THAT
HAVE TAKEN IN A PLACE OF
WORSHIP SEN ARE THE PLACES THAT
HAVE
BY INDIVIDUALS FOR THE PURPOSE
OF CREATING FEAR AND HUM 2
OTHERS SO WE HAVE HAD
AN IQ SENSITIVE LISTENING SESSION IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STATE AT SO THAT WE CAN
HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE BILL
THAT ADDRESS IS HATE CRIME.
IT'S QUITE
SOMETHING THAT BOTH THOSE NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE
VICTIMS BUT EVERYBODY IN
THE STATE. IT'S SO WOULD PUT
THAT TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY TO ADDRESS THIS TIME AND TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE GUIDELINES OF
WHAT HAD QUITE MS.
AND ENSURING THAT THE REPORTING
PROCESS WHEREBY IT'S ALL ON YOU ONE WAY
BECAUSE THE MANY FOLKS WHO'LL WHEN YOU TELL THEM TO CALL THE POLICE AND THE POLICE ARE NOT
WELL INFORMED WE CREATING
AN OPTION WHEREBY WE HAVE OTHER ENTITIES WHO CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT SO WE CAN HAVE ENOUGH DATA THAT WILL ADDRESS
THE ISSUE OF PAY BUT WITHOUT
THAT USE A MISTER CHAIR; WE
HAVE A
I THINK THOSE OF WHAT THE BEST
TO JUST THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH AND IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH YOU
AND YOUR. OUR FIRST TO TESTIFY
TO STAND UP
LIKE AN HE IS INVOLVED WITH SECURITY ISSUES WITH THE JEWISH COMMUNITY RELATIONS COUNCIL AND
AFTER THAT WELL
UH HUH WE'LL HAVE A CHIEF KELLY MCCARTHY FROM THE WINDOW TO
HEIGHTS POLICE.
>> WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE SIR PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND IT WAS HER TESTIMONY
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAMP LOOKING FOR. GOOD EVENING CHAIR MARY ANY MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE
3 D SECURITY. THEIR JEWISH
COMMUNITY RELATIONS COUNCIL MINNESOTA AND THE CODIS AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT HOST FILE;
3837.
I HAVE OVER 30 YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER WITH THE CITY OF PLYMOUTH THE LAST 10 OF THOSE YEARS BEING THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF
POLICE.
DIRECTLY AFTER RETIREMENT WAS
HIRED BY THE G CRC IN
10/8/2018. WITH THE COURT TO ENHANCE THE LEVEL OF SECURITY
WITHIN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AND
TO BE RESOURCED OTHER AT RISK COMMUNITY USE THIS BILL WILL ENHANCE CURRENT LAW WITH
IMPROVED TOOLS IN 4 SPECIFIC
AREAS. NUMBER ONE EXPANDING THE REPORTING OF CRIMES OR
INCIDENTS MOTIVATED BY BIAS
NUMBER 2. MANY IN THE CRIME OF DAMAGE TO PROPERTY TO INCLUDE
MOTIVATION BY BIAS AND HATE
NUMBER 3 ACQUIRING MINNESOTA
PEACE OFFICERS STANDARDS
AND TRAINING BOARD TO UPDATE TRAINING FOR OFFICERS TO RESPOND RECOGNIZE REPORT BIASED
MOTIVATED CRIMES
AND INCIDENTS. NUMBER 4 REQUIRE
LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ADOPT STANDARDIZE POLICIES REGARDING
CRIMES MOTIVATED BY BIAS.
TO EXPAND THE NUMBER ONE EXPANDING THE REPORTING DURING
MY TENURE WITH THE G CRC
I'VE DEVELOPED CONCERN OVER THE
LARGE AMOUNT OF ANTI SEMITIC AND HE INCIDENTS TARGETING
OTHER FIGURES BASED
COMMUNITIES. IN FACT IN THE
JEWISH COMMUNITY; THE LARGE UPTICK OF ANTI SEMITIC
INCIDENTS SINCE 2012.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH
LAW ENFORCEMENT OUGHT TO CLOSE THE UNDERREPORTING GAP OF THESE
BIASED MOTIVATED INCIDENTS.
AUGMENTS CURRENT
LEGISLATION TO INCREASE THE ACCURACY OF MAN OF MANDATORY REPORTING OF BIAS MOTIVE
INCIDENTS BY
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ASSIST THE COMMUNITY WITH OPTIONAL
PATHWAYS OF REPORTING. THE DEPARTMENT OF
HUMAN RIGHTS WILL COLLABORATE AND CONSULT WITH MINNESOTA POLL
SPORT; IT'S A
LIST THAT WE SEE THEM COMPILE
REPORTS FROM COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS SCHOOL DISTRICTS CHARTER SCHOOLS AND INDIVIDUALS
BELIEVED TO BE MOTIVATED
BY ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED BIAS CAPTURING ACCURATE STATISTICS
ABOUT HEAT BY US WHEN THE
LAW ENFORCEMENT. COMMUNITY RELATED ORGANIZATIONS TO HAVE A
MORE ACCURATE PICTURE OF THE LEVEL OF HEAT AND BIASED
MOTIVATED ACTIONS WITHIN
OUR STATE. THIS INCREASED UNDERSTANDING WILL ASSIST IN
THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MORE COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSE TO
RECOGNIZE AND REDUCE
THESE ISSUES. NUMBER 2 MANY OF THE DAMAGE TO PROPERTY LAW WITH DETERMINING IF IT BUYS MORE TO
BE THE PROPERTY
CRIMES OCCURRED CURRENT LAW FOCUSES ON THE IDENTITY OF THE
PROPERTY OWNER HOUSE FILE; 3037
SHIPS THAT FOCUS
TO THE MOTIVE FOR THE PERPETRATOR AS WELL AS THE
POTENTIALLY SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE EFFECT OR IMPACT OF THE COMMUTE
OR THE CRIME HAS ON THE
COMMUNITY. WE BELIEVE THESE
MODEST CHANGES WILL BE
PARTICULARLY USEFUL. FOR BIAS MOTIVATED CRIMES WITH A DAMAGED
PROPERTY IS PUBLIC SUCH AS A
PARK OR A SCHOOL. NUMBER 3 LAW
ENFORCEMENT
TRAININGS TRAINING WILL BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE MANDATED 16
HOURS UP OR STRAINING UNDER
IMPLICIT BIAS OFFICERS WILL
GAIN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING TO RESPOND TO RECOGNIZE AND REPORT
BIASED MOTIVATED CRIMES
AND INCIDENTS. POLICE
DEPARTMENTS ARE CURRENTLY MANDATED TO REPORT BIASED MOTIVATED CRIMES TO THE MINNESOTA BUREAU OF CRIMINAL
APPREHENSION.
AND FINALLY NUMBER 4 ADOPT A STANDARDIZED BUYS MORE TO BE THE CRIME AND INCIDENT POLICY
THE
STANDARD POLICY CAN BE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE MINNESOTA
POLL SUPPORT TO INCORPORATE THE PROCEDURES FOR OFFICERS TO
RESPOND RECOGNIZE THE REPORT BIASED MOTIVATED CRIME THIS POLICY WILL BE ADDED TO THE
LIST OF THE EXISTING LIST OF 18
POLICY IS MANAGED BY
FOR SUPPORT FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT INSTITUTED WITHIN THEIR
ORGANIZATIONS.
THANK YOU CHAIR; MARY ARMY AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU HAVE A SUPPLY COMPANY.
>> THE NEXT PERCENT LIKE CALL CHIEF KELLY MCCARTHY FROM
THE MENDOTA HEIGHTS POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
>> WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE TO
OCCUR THROUGH. >> IF YOU CARRY ON THE MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE I WILL
BE BRIEF. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS HOUSE FILE AND KNOW FIRSTHAND THAT THE CHALLENGES
THAT VICTIMS OF HATE
CRIMES FACE AND THE RELUCTANCE TO REPORT IT TO THE POLICE THIS
BILL
WOULD ALLOW OTHER PATHWAYS THAT
MIGHT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD WITH THAT DATA SO THAT
DATA COULD EVENTUALLY GET TO
LAW ENFORCEMENT. I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE TALKS ABOUT THIS NOT TAKE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY CONSIDERED LEGAL AND DEEMED
THEM AS CRIMINAL
THAT JUST PUTS A FINER POINT ON DATA COLLECTION AT TIMES TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT REAL HARM THAT CAN RESULT FROM BIASED
MOTIVATED CRIMES.
CURRENTLY STATE STATUTE AND ITS PRE SERVICE TRAINING THE PREPARATION OF A TRAINING PERCENT PUSHED FORWARD AND
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR
CHEAP; BUT LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS; A MANDATORY POLICY COULD AID AND ACCURATE NEW FROM
DATA COLLECTED WHICH IN TURN COULD AID IN RESPONSE AND PREVENTION I THINK THE CHAIR OF
THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR TIME.
>> THANK YOU TO THE EARTH AND
THAT DIDN'T HELP. FROM THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.
WELCOME WAS TO COME.
>> CHAIR MEMBERS TO THANK YOU
FOR HAVING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HERE MY NAME IS JOHN KELLER AND THE CHIEF
DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL.
LIKED IT PROVIDE SOME
INFORMATION ABOUT LISTENING SESSIONS THAT THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL HIMSELF AND STAFF OF HAD IT ACROSS THE STATE OF
MINNESOTA OVER THE LAST 6
MONTHS THE SESSIONS TOOK PLACE TO HEAR ABOUT ENGAGE IN
CONVERSATION AROUND HERE CRIMES THAT TOOK AS
I SAT ACROSS THE STATE FERGUS
FALLS CHASKA 2 IN IN SAINT
CLOUD ROCHESTER AND ST.
HUNDREDS OF MINNESOTANS FROM ALL WALKS
OF LIFE AND ALL
BACKGROUNDS ATTENDED. EACH
MEETING THAT A COLLECTION OF NEIGHBORS ELECTED OFFICIALS RELIGIOUS LEADERS COMMUNITY
LEADERS AND IMPACTED COMMUNITY
MEMBERS. AND THE DISCUSSION TENDED TO A FOCUS ON 4 MAIN
AREAS; THIS BUILDING SOLITARY THROUGH COMMUNITY AND DIALOGUE.
BETTER WAYS OF REPORTING POTENTIAL HATE CRIMES UPDATING
HATE CRIME LAWS AND TRAINING
FOR POLICE AND COMMUNITY.
IN ADDITION TO THE 7 LISTENING SESSIONS; THERE WAS A SUMMIT IN
NOVEMBER OF
2019 PROXIMA B 50 ATTENDEES IN
3 MAIN PANELS PRESENTED AT
THAT SUMMIT LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY AND LEGISLATORS IN
THE LAW ENFORCEMENT. SECTION
THE PANEL INCLUDED
REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FBI FROM THE BCA FROM THE US ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THE RAMSEY
COUNTY ATTORNEY.
IN THE COMMUNITY PANEL REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE MUSLIM
AMERICAN SOCIETY OF MINNESOTA TEMPLE ISRAEL OUT FRONT
MINNESOTA AND CO
PAUL JUSTIFIED. AND IN THE LEGISLATIVE REPS IMPORTANCE
TEAM RIPS THEM SOHN
SENATOR DOUBLE COMMISSIONER; I'M SARAH FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS ATTENDED AND
TESTIFIED. THE A G S OFFICE.
IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL ONE OF
THE BIGGEST TAKE AWAY FROM THE SUMMIT AND FROM THE LISTENING
WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDED
AND WANTED MORE OPTIONS IN
REPORTING POTENTIAL HATE CRIME.
BY ALLOWING THE DEPARTMENT OF
HUMAN RIGHTS TO TRACK HATE CRIME. IT'S THE BILL SEEKS TO
GIVE MORE REPORTING OPTIONS
TO VICTIMS. ADDITIONALLY ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS TO COLLABORATE WITH THE POST
BOARD TO BETTER TRAIN SUPPORT OFFICERS IN IDENTIFYING
AND REPORTING
HATE CRIME. IT'S THESE ARE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS AND MAKING SURE HE CRIMES ARE HANDLED AND DOCUMENTED PROPERLY AT ALL
THE BILL ALSO PROVIDES THAT STATES WILL GATHER MORE
ACCURATE DATA ON HATE CRIMES.
RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF UNDER
REPORTING THE DATA WE HAVE IS
NOT AS ACCURATE AND REFLECTIVE OF THE TRUE NATURE AND SCOPE OF
HATE CRIMES THAT HAPPEN IN
MINNESOTA TO PROVIDE THAT'S THE
INCREASE TRAINING AND AVENUES TREE REPORT WE KNOW THAT MORE
PEOPLE WILL COME FORWARD AND WE'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE
SERIOUSNESS OF THE ISSUE.
THE 80'S OFFICE BELIEVES THIS
IS A STRONG STEP FORWARD AND WE THANK REPS OF HARTENSTEIN AND OTHERS FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK DEPUTY
ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF MILLER; WE HAVE AND I AND I DO APPRECIATE IT; BUT I DO ABOUT
THE
LISTENING SESSIONS. AND THE SO
MY APPRECIATION FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE FOR GAUGING THE MINNESOTA PUBLIC
AND THAT WAY. IT'S
VERY SUCCESSFUL. >> WE HAVE A REBECCA WAS CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND GIVEN
THEM AND THE SHOW'S SARAH.
WELCOME COMMISSIONER WELL GOOD
EVENING.
>> HI GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS REBECCA TO SETTLE IN AND THE COMMISSIONER FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS; IT'S GREAT TO
SEE MANY OF YOU GUYS
AGAIN TODAY. AS YOU KNOW THE
MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN TO HUMAN RIGHTS IS BECAUSE OF
HIS VERY OWN CIVIL RIGHTS ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. THE MOVES ARE HUMAN RIGHTS ACTS TASKS; THE DEPARTMENT WITH IMPORTANT
CIVIL RIGHTS ENFORCEMENT DUTIES
AND ALL
>> GOOD EVENING; EVERYONE.
IF I KNEW I WAS
THIS POPULAR. >> I WENT OUT LIKE A I DON'T KNOW LIKE A MIRACLE COLLECTION
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY; WE'VE GOT SEVERAL
WE HAVE A BIGOT AND UH WE HAVE
A SEVERAL BIG BILLS HAS QUITE A
FEW NUMBERS CITIZEN
ALL RIGHT ANOTHER CARROTS A SUMMIT TO TRY TO MOVE THROUGH
THE
FIRST SO BECAUSE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY A STANDING ROOM AND I
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WERE
ABLE HELP OF FOLKS ARE WAITING FOR
BILL AND
GREAT NUMB FIRST TO BE ABLE GET ON WITH THE REST OF THE EVENING. BUT OF COURSE ARE EVERYONE IS TO STAY AS LONG AS
YOU LIKE. WE
WE WERE
RECESS AND SAW RECONVENING THE
COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM AND JUST SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF
HOME AND MOVE.
>> THROUGH THIS SO WE'RE GOING
TO START WITH HOUSE FILED 3; 9;
7; 5 WHICH IS THE POST CONVICTION RELIEF A BILL WE
HAVE A NUMBER OF CONSTITUENCIES
CONSTITUENTS. >> FROM MOM. COMMUNITIES GROUPS
THAT ARE HERE FOR THAT. AND
THEN WE'RE GOING TO
MOVE TO. US FILED 3 NIGHTS SOUTHERN 6 FELONY MURDER OF
SENSE AND TASK FORCE STRIPS
OF BEANS BILL AND I HAVE A FEELING THAT A GOOD ROBUST
PROBABLY HERE FOR
THAT THOUGH; AND THEN WE'RE
GOING TO MOVE TO HOSPITAL 27; ALL KNOW A PEACE OFFER EACH
OFFICER TREATING
REIMBURSEMENT FUN. BOTH PROVIDE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE DEALING WITH THE POST-WAR WE HAVE A
NUMBER OF OUR
LAW ENFORCEMENT PUBLIC BOTH LOCAL STATE OFFICIALS HERE AND
I LIKE TO GET THEM ALL. A HOME A SORT OF THE
AND THEN NOBLE WILL MOVE FROM
OBVIOUSLY WITH THE SPENDING
TESTIMONY IS GOING TO BE
PRETTY TIGHT. SOMEONE ACID TEST
THE FIRES TO BE SUPER
I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR EVERYTHING YOU SAY SO WITH THE COMMITTEE; BUT FRANKLY WE'RE
NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT KIND
OF TIME. BUT PLEASE DO CONTINUE
TO INTERACT WITH COMMITTEE MEMBER SOME LEGISLATORS
THROUGHOUT
THE SESSION TO SHARE BEFORE YOUR FULL OR A TODAY IS
AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO BASICALLY
GOT. THE BASIC UNDERSTANDING OUT OF THE BILL ENTERTAIN SOME
AND COMMENTS FROM COMMITTEE
MEMBERS AND THEN VOTE ON
THE BILLS. I WOULD MIGHT LEARN OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMITTEE ALSO BE AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE.
HOLDER IS AN OVERFLOW ROOM.
OK SO THE OVERFLOW ROOM IS
GOING TO BE OF FARMERS UP IN THE PRESS ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND SHOULD BE AVAILABLE
INSIDE OF
5 MINUTES WILL OF CLOSER TO SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SIT COMFORTABLY IN WATCHING THE
PROCEEDINGS FROM THERE AT THIS POINT ON AS
MY A COLLEAGUE VICE CHAIR.
TO TOOK THE GAVEL AND PERCENT
THE FIRST.
A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FUN; YOU
HAD A QUESTION.
>> IT WAS JUST WONDERING ON THIS BILL AS IT'S JUST AN
INFORMATIONAL BECAUSE THIS IS UNDER A JUDICIARY STILL HAS
POSSESSION OF THIS BILL.
>> AND THAT REPRESENTATIVE
JOHNSON WILL BE DOING IT OVER. WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY WE DON'T HAVE POSSESSION OF THE
BILL. IT'S IN THE JUDICIARY AND PUBLIC SAFETY IT WILL BE IN FOR A THEM REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON.
BUT CHAIR MARY ADEA
I'M OUT.
YOU HAVE 29 OH 7 BEFORE US IT
LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT. MET HER HOUSE ABOUT
3; 8; 7; 5 COUNTRIES TOO.
>> THAT'S A SORT OF A CORRECT
ABOUT THIS SO MEMBERS OF THE OBVIOUS A SINGLE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE THIS SESSION
IS A REMOVING ESSENTIALLY
BILLS THAT. WE LAST YEAR THERE WERE QUITE A FEW BILLS THAT THEY DID ALL THROUGH THE PROCESS BUT WE'RE
NOT ACTED ON. IN THE FINAL
IT'S ALL OF THAT WITH THE
AGREEMENT OF BOTH. PARTIES WE
AGREED THAT WE WERE MOVE THE BILL SAYS THAT
THIS IS THE AS POSSIBLE. BUT BUT NONETHELESS WE HAVE TO
PULL BACK THROUGH
THE COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE ORIGIN EVERY ONE OF THOSE BILLS THAT
THAT WILL THE
NEXT APPROPRIATE. LEVEL OUTSIDE I THINK PERHAPS THAT'S WHAT
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON WAS
REFERRING TO.
I DECIDED TO CLARITY FROM
STAFF HERE OR MY COMMITTEE MINISTER WHERE THIS BILL OVERSIGHTS BECAUSE THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE
MOST OF IT BEFORE US.
>> THANK YOU CHAIR OF THAT MISTER JOHNSON DO YOU THINK CAN
HELP US WITH THAT.
>> A METAL CHAIR
CHAIR MARY THIS THIS IS A NEW BILL THIS IS NOT LAST YEAR'S BILL OR NOT THERE WAS A SIMILAR
BILL ON UH THE SAME TOPIC
LAST SESSION THIS BILL WAS INTRODUCED MARCH SECOND AND IT
WAS REFERRED TO
THE JUDICIARY. I HAVE NO NOTICE
OF IT HAVING BEEN REFERRED TO THIS COMMITTEE; SO IT'S NOT IN THE POSSESSION OF THIS
COMMITTEE OF THIS TIME. >> THEY'RE BETTER TERM MEMBERS
WILL DO IT INFORMATION WE THOUGHT THAT A COUPLE TIMES A COUPLE OTHER BILLS WE HAVE SOME
OTHER
FIELDS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING
THAT WITH AND THAT WILL BE THAT WE MOVE TO LAY THE BILL OVER US SO WE CAN MAKE AN APPROPRIATE
FASHION. OR PERHAPS A FACTOR TO
SYRIA.
THE SUBSEQUENT
TO THIS A VERY WELL SO VERY MUCH OR A LOCALLY THAT WILL SERVE AS AN ORDER AT THIS POINT
SO ALL OF IT VERY
GET TO SPOT
375. AS JUSTICE REFORM BILL
FOCUS ON ENSURING ACCESS
TO JUSTICE THE CONCEPT OF THE
BILL MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE IS REALLY QUITE SIMPLE. IT ALLOWS
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE A
CONSTITUTIONAL OR LEGAL DEFECT IN THEIR CRIMINAL CONVICTION
OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CASE. MINNESOTA CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM AS A WAY
TO FIX OR REVISIT PAST. CONVICTIONS THAT WERE OBTAINED
IMPROPERLY TO TO A
CONSTITUTIONAL. THERE ARE
LEGAL DEFENSE; HOWEVER; A CRIMINAL STATUTE ARE POSTED THAT SHE REALLY FREAK WIRES THE
CLAIM THAT THEY BROUGHT
WITH THEM. 2 YEARS OF THE CONVICTION THERE FOR THIS BILL
CREATES A SINCE
THAT SUMPTION TO A LIST OF
EXCEPTIONS TO THE LAW THAT
SAYS THAT IF INDIVIDUALS THAT
HOLD OF THEIR
IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES. WHEN THEY AGREED TO THE BENCH AND THEIR CASE THAT SHOULD BE REVIEW TODAY. I HAVE FOR A TEST
THE FIRES THAT
WILL PERCENT THE SKATING GANG
FROM COW. A PAIR OF AN IMPACT. >> FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEIR SON
DOCTORAL STUDENT
WHO'S WORKING OFF OF HER TO KEEP HER FAMILY AND THE SHOOTER LEGAL EXPERT FROM THE
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA
LAW SCHOOL LAST 4 HITS OF THE
BEFORE US BUT COAST VERSUS THE
HOWEVER WANT TO SHARE.
INFORMATION THE LETTERS
BASICALLY GIVEN THE TIME I JUST COULDN'T SHARE THAT WILL MAKE THIS AVAILABLE TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THERE WILL ALSO
TONIGHT THE
LETTER SUPPORT FROM OUR SAINT PAUL MAYOR MELVIN CARTER WHO
HAS BEEN A CLOSE PARTNER IN
THIS WORK. THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BUT IF YOU WILL RECALL LAST YEAR HE CAME INTO US APART
WELL AS THE COUPLE TIMES ON
THIS BILL. A VERY
WHERE CARTER THE CITY OF SAINT PAUL SUPPORTS LEGISLATION EXPANDS POST CONVICTION RELIEF
MR. THAKSIN'S
TO JUSTICE.
>> OUR MISSION IS A PROUD TRADITION OF WELCOMING
IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES INTO OUR COMMUNITIES SUPPOSE THE
EXCEPTION OF ONE OF THE LARGEST AND THEY LOVE POPULATIONS IN
OUR NATION I ASKED
THE STATE PART OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT THEY RESPOND TO
THEIR SITUATION. BUT ALSO BEFORE THE
GOVERNOR WAS ALSO HAS THE
SUPPORT THE SPILL AND THE CAR
COMMISSIONER SNOVER
RUSSIA SUPPORTS US A LITTLE AS WELL SO WITH THAT I'M NOT SURE I LIKE TO MOVE QUICKLY TO MIKE
THE FIRE TO START WITH THIS ARE
CUTTING.
>> AT LEAST YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOU CAN BEGIN YOUR
TESTIMONY YOU GOOD MEET WITH
CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE; MY NAME IS GETTING YOUNG AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PROGRAMS AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH
A COALITION OF ASIAN
AMERICAN LEADERS. ALSO KNOWN AS
COW COW IS A NETWORK OF OVER 2000 ASIAN AMERICANS WORKING ON
COMMUNITY PRIORITIES TO ENSURE THAT EQUITY IS ACHIEVED FOR
ASIAN AMERICANS IN OUR CITY. FOR MANY YEARS COW HAS SUPPORTED LOCAL AND NATIONAL
EFFORTS
TO STOP THE DETENTION AND DEPORTATION OF FORMER REFUGEES TO THE COUNTRIES OF CAMBODIA;
LAOS; MYANMAR
AND VIETNAM. PROFESSIONALLY I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE
SINCE
1997 AND WHEN I WAS HEAD OF THE OLDEST AND ONLY ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION FOR SOUTHEAST
ASIANS IN WASHINGTON
D C EVEN BACK THEN I BUY THAT
IMPACTED INDIVIDUALS TO MEET WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS
TO EXPLAIN HOW THE CHANGES IN
IMMIGRATION LAWS AFFECTED
REFUGEES. I HAVE SEEN HOW THE
SOUTHEAST ASIAN COMMUNITY HAS BEEN SPEECH TRAUMATIZED BY
THEIR CHILDREN BEING SENT TO THE COUNTRY THEY FLED FROM IN
THE FIRST PLACE.
RECENTLY YOU MAY HAVE ALL SEEN THE NEWS THAT THERE'S BEEN CONFIRMATION THAT THERE WOULD
BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN
DEPORTATIONS AMONG LAU AND OTHER ETHNIC PEOPLE WITH THE
MOVE ARE
ORDERED TO ALLOWS THIS WILL HAVE A DEVASTATING IMPACT ON HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES AND
PERHAPS THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS RELATED TO THOSE
FAMILIES IN OUR STATE. SINCE
THE NEWS CAME OUT IN
EARLY FEB 3 OVER 100 COMMUNITY IMPACTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE
TO REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE.
THIS INCLUDES SPOUSES SIBLINGS; PARENTS AND CHILDREN OF THOSE
WITH DEPORTATION ORDERS.
MINNESOTA IS HOME TO OVER
160;000 SOUTHEAST ASIANS HALF
MORE THAN AND WHO CAME TO THE UNITED STATES AS REFUGEES FLEEING POLITICAL PERSECUTION
FROM THE COUNTRY OF BIRTH AND OR THE THE PARENTS
COUNTRY OF BIRTH. WE CANNOT IGNORE THIS CRISIS AND NEITHER
CAN YOU. MOST OF THE SOUTHEAST ASIANS WITH DEPORTATION ORDER CAME TO
THE US AS YOUNG CHILDREN AND MANY OTHER MANY OF THEM ARE IN
THIS ROOM TO
A GROWING UP IN MINNESOTA THEY COULD BARELY SPEAK THE LANGUAGE
OF THEIR PARENTS HOME COUNTRY
AND HAVE NO BE A FAMILY IT WILL
BE OUR RELATIONSHIPS IN THOSE
COUNTRIES. ALL HAVE ALREADY SERVED THEIR SENTENCES AND ARE BEING PERSECUTED FOR CRIMES
FROM DECADES AGO
SOME OF THE CASES ARE 30 YEARS
OLD MOST WERE IN THE TEENS POR
AND ABLE TO AFFORD PRIVATE
ATTORNEYS AND TOOK PLEA DEALS NOT KNOWING THAT THEY HAD
AGREED TO A LIFE SENTENCE OF
DEPORTATION. TODAY THEY HAVE
FAMILY; US CITIZEN CHILDREN AND STRONG ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL
CONNECTIONS
INNOCENT TO OUR SOUTHEAST ASIAN COMMUNITY MEMBERS DESERVE THE REDEMPTION IN A SECOND CHANCE
LIKE ANY OTHER AMERICAN.
IN 2006 STEEN YOU'LL RECALL THAT WE WHAT WE SUPPORT A
RELEASE
A LOCAL CAMPAIGN OF IMPACTED FAMILY MEMBERS FIGHTING TO KEEP THEIR LOVED ONES FROM BEING
DEPORTED TO CAMBODIA.
LAST SESSION MY COLLEAGUE GAVE EMOTIONAL TESTIMONY ABOUT THE
IN EXCESS OF BILITY AND
UNFAIR IMPACTS BUT THE CURRENT POST CONVICTION RELIEF SYSTEM
HAS ON REFUGEES WERE
BEING DETAINED AND DEPORTED ON
THE BASIS OF CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS THAT CURRENT TIME THEY ARE FILING PETITIONS FOR
RELIEF LEAVES OUT THIS COMMUNITY WHO DESERVES TO
CHALLENGE THEIR CONVICTIONS BUT WERE NOT INFORMED OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO IN A
TIMELY MANNER.
A HOSTILE 3; 9;
7; 5; ADDRESSES THIS PROBLEM
AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE ALL HERE
TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION
NOW AS PAYING TO TALK ABOUT
HER STORY.
>> THANK YOU AND THEN BE FREE TO USE FOR YOUR FOR THOSE OF
YOU THAT THEY'RE
WELL THE OVERFLOW ROOM AS SOMEONE 81 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FIND A PLACE TO SIT THERE TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN YOUR TESTIMONY
AND STATE YOUR
NAME PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS PAYING BANG AND THEY LIVE IN MAPLEWOOD WITH MY
HUSBAND AND 5 CHILDREN; THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS
FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
AND CURRENTLY A GRADUATE STUDENTS PURSUING A DOCTORATE AS A PRIMARY CARE
NURSE PRACTITIONER.
I AM AN IMPACT IN MEMBER OF THE
COMMUNITY AND I'M HERE TO SHARE MY STORY TO EXPRESS SUPPORT TO
THE POST CONVICTION RELIEF.
MY HUSBAND AT
THE AGE 9 ARRIVED IN MINNESOTA
IN 1989 WITH THIS FAMILY
AS REFUGEES; HE'S HIS FATHER
SERVED IN SECRET WERE IN THE HOUSE A WAR THAT THE US CIA ORGANIZED BECAUSE THE GROUPS
AMONG TRIBES MEN TO FIGHT
DURING THE VIETNAM WAR.
BECAUSE OF OUR HELP IN THE WAR
WE WERE NO LONGER SAFE TO
REMAIN IN THAT'S LIKE MANY NEW REFUGEES; MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY
STRUGGLED WITH ADJUSTING TO A NEW WORLD WHILE GRIEVING THE
LOSS OF FAMILY MEMBERS WHO DIE FIGHTING AS WELL AS DIED TRYING TO ESCAPE CLOSE IN THE
AFTERMATH. ALONG WITH A NEW
ENVIRONMENT REFUGEE FAMILIES ALSO STRUGGLED WITH RACISM AND
BULLYING.
BOYS AT THE TIME CAME TOGETHER
TO PROTECT ONE ANOTHER FROM
VIOLENCE FROM OTHER GROUPS PEOPLE THAT WERE LABELED AS GAY
MEMBERS ARE A MENACE TO SOCIETY. SOME OF THE BOYS FOR
FAMILY MEMBERS WHO GREW UP TOGETHER AT THE AGE OF 17 MY
HUSBAND MADE A MISTAKE.
HE WAS THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE AND THERE WAS A
SHOOTING HE
WAS CONVICTED A CRIME AND HE WAS OFFERED THE EXTENDED JURY JUVENILE JURISDICTION; E J K
PROGRAM.
HE WAS NOT AWARE OF WHAT THIS
REALLY MEANT UNDERSTOOD THAT HE WOULD BE SENT TO PENNSYLVANIA
FOR 18 MONTH PROGRAM. HE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE
PROGRAM AND RETURNED HOME.
IN 2000 VALUES; NOT HOME HIS COUSINS WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS HIM OVER TO HIS HOUSE THE
PROBATION OFFICER
SHOWED UP WHEN MY HUSBAND CAME
HOME THE PROBATION OFFICER TOLD
HIM HE WAS IN VIOLATION OF HANGING OUT WITH OLD FRIENDS
WHO OR.
AND THAT WAS A VIOLATION OF THE
TERMS OF THE E
J J PROGRAM WHERE VIOLATIONS COULD BE A MINOR IS HANGING OUT WITH OLD FRIENDS OR TO
COMMITTING ANOTHER CRIME.
AS A VIOLATION OF THE E J J PROGRAM HE WAS THEN SENTENCED
AS AN ADULT FOR 18 MONTHS.
IT HAS BEEN 23 YEARS SINCE THE INCIDENT HAS CHANGED OUR LIVES. HE HAS PAID HIS DEBT TO SOCIETY
SERVED TIME AND IT'S CHANGED HIS LIFE AROUND HOWEVER HE HAS AN ORDER FOR REMOVAL TO BE
DEPORTED TO
THE HOUSE AT ANY MOMENT AND IT
IS REQUIRED TO CHECK IN NEARLY TIED. THIS EVEN HANS OUR FAMILY
EVERY DAY.
>> FIGHTS WE TO DEPORTATION AT
ANY TIME.
MY HUSBAND IS A LOVING
FAMILY WHO TAKES GREAT CARE OF HIS WIFE AND KIDS AND EXTENDED
FAMILY MEMBERS.
HE SUPPORTED ME AND DANCING PROFESSIONALLY. HE IS THIS TIME
AND FOR A GOOD BROTHER AND
THEIR FRIEND TO MANY.
HE SPENDS HIS FREE TIME
VOLUNTEERING AND DONATING HIS TIME THE COMPUTER EQUIPMENT AS A WAY TO CONTRIBUTE BACK TO COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT
SERVE IMMIGRANTS.
HE THEN ACTIVELY ENGAGED FATHER WHO PLAYED AND COACHED SOCCER WITH HER BOYS IN TAKE OUR DAUGHTERS TO SPORTS AND DANCE
CLASS.
HERE TO DEGREE IN COMPUTER
NETWORKING SOFTWARE ENGINEERING AND WENT ON TO OWN HIS OWN I T
BUSINESS AND CONSULTING. HE HAD MENTORED NUMEROUS COLLEGE STUDENTS AND PROVIDING
COMPUTER INTERNSHIPS.
HIS PURSUIT OF PASSION AND HIS
AND HAS ENCOURAGED ME TO DO
THIS A COMMITTEE MEMBERS I'M ASKING
YOU TO CONSIDER GIVING END
OF IT LIKE MY HUSBAND; A SECOND CHANCE; SO THAT OUR FAMILY CAN
STATES. AND CONTINUE TO MAKE A POSITIVE
IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU COULD MAYBE MEMBERS IN CHAIR FOR ALLOWING ME TO
SHARE MY STORY. >> THANK YOU MISS BANG FOR YOUR
TESTIMONY.
THE NEXT TESTIFY AND IF YOU WANT TO AGAIN AND STATE YOUR
NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS MAGGIE SHEEHY AND I'M A STUDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF MINNESOTA LAW SCHOOL AND
PART OF THE BIGGER CENTER FOR
>> KUNTZ REPRESENT THE
INTERESTS OF THE POST
CONVICTION RELIEF COALITION; WHICH IS MADE UP OF OVER 20 ORGANIZATIONS LISTED ON THE
DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU.
>> POST CONVICTION RELIEF AS A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO CHALLENGE THE LEGALITY OR CONSTITUTIONALITY
OF
CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS IT IS A REMEDY AVAILABLE TO ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A
CRIME IN MINNESOTA A FILING A
PETITION FOR POST-CONVICTION RELIEF IS A REQUEST TO THE JUDGE REVIEWED THE CONVICTION
FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL OR LEGAL
DEFECT FOR RELIEF TO BE GRANTED
SOMEONE MUST SHOW THAT THEIR CONVICTION OR SENTENCE WAS
ILLEGAL OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
HOWEVER THE CURRENT STATUTE REQUIRES A CLAIM TO BE BROUGHT
WITHIN 2 YEARS OF CONNECTION; THIS IS
ONE OF THE STRICTEST TIME LIMITS IN THE REGION; SOME
STATES DON'T EVEN HAVE TIME
LIMITS. THE LAW PROVIDES
EXCEPTIONS THOUGH IN ORDER TO
RECOGNIZE THAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF A CONVICTION MAY NOT BECOME APPARENT UNTIL YEARS FOR
DECADES LATER.
THIS IS THE CASE BUT THE EVER
SHIFTING WORLD OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR PEOPLE
TO BE UNAWARE THAT THEIR CRIME CAN LEAD TO DEPORTATION UNTIL MANY YEARS AND SEVERAL
ADMINISTRATIONS LATER. ADDING
THIS NARROW EXCEPTION TO THE 2 YEAR TERM I WOULD ALLOW THOSE PRESENTLY FACING DEPORTATION AS
A RESULT OF OLD DEFECTED
CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS
13 ALLIANCE ON INADEQUATE IMMIGRATION ADVICE; THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR
CONVICTIONS REVIEWED.
THIS IS A PARTICULAR CONCERN TO
MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO
ARE REFUGEES. MANY OF WHOM CAME
TO THE UNITED STATES AS YOUNG CHILDREN REFUGEES BY VIRTUE OF THEIR PARENTS DECISION TO THIS
IS TO SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES
IN A WAR FOUGHT OVER 4 DECADES AGO. AND NOW FACE DEPORTATION TO COUNTRIES THEY HAVE NEVER
SET FOOT IN.
TAKE THE STORY OF MISTER TRAN A REFUGEE WHO CAME TO THE UNITED
STATES IN HER EARLY 1990'S BUT WAS CONVICTED
OF A DRUG CRIME AS A YOUNG ADULT IN ORDER TO COURT IT TO VIETNAM AFTER RECEIVING INACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT THE IN IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES
OF
HIS SENTENCE. HOWEVER AT THE TIME THE UNITED STATES WAS NOT
DEPORTING PEOPLE TO VIETNAM. SO MISTER TRAN REMAINS AND
KILLED HIS LIFE IN
MINNESOTA NOW DEPORTATION TO
VIETNAM IS IMMINENT AND MISTER TRIBE HAS DISCOVERED THAT HIS PLEA WAS INSUFFICIENT TO
WARRANT HIS CONVICTION.
HE CANNOT APPLY FOR POST
CONVICTION BECAUSE HE IS
OUTSIDE THE 2 YEAR TIME LIMIT
THIS EXCEPTION WOULD SIMPLY PROVIDE MISTER TRON AND OTHERS LIKE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR CONVICTIONS WITH
YOU. THANK YOU.
>> NO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GO AHEAD AND CERTAIN SAY YOUR
NAME FOR
THE RECORD. >> A GOOD VICE CHAIR; ABLE SON
AND MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS WHAT HIS HAVE A AN ASSISTANT RAMSEY
COUNTY ATTORNEY.
RAMSEY COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS
LONG RECOGNIZED THE IMPACT OF
COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE A BEEN INVOLVED
IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.
WE LEARNED HARD DECISIONS AT
THE LOCAL LEVEL CAN LEAD TO
A DISPROPORTIONATELY AND JUST RESULT IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION
COURT. IN ORDER FOR A JUSTICE SYSTEM
TO BE TRULY JUST. IT'S OUR JOB
TO ENSURE. THAT CONSEQUENCES
FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. OUR FAIR
AND PROPORTIONATE.
THE RAMSEY COUNTY
OFF THAT RAMSEY COUNTY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PROSECUTORS
ARE REQUIRED. AS MINISTERS
OF JUSTICE TO CONSIDER THE IMPACTS AND TO SEEK TO MITIGATE
COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES. IN PLEA NEGOTIATIONS AND
SENTENCINGS.
WHERE PEOPLE ARE FACING UNJUST AND DISPROPORTIONATE
CONSEQUENCES.
THERE ARE A FEW MORE
COMPELLING REASONS TO MITIGATE THEN SITUATIONS WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL IS FACING
DEPORTATION.
PEOPLE IN THESE SITUATIONS.
FULLY UNDERSTAND OR DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY
OF THE COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES
UNTIL
LONG AFTER UNDER THE TWO-YEAR STATUTORY WINDOW TO PETITION
FOR POST-CONVICTION RELIEF HAS
CLOSED.
SO THEIR MOTIONS ARE BARRED BY
TIME.
THIS PREVENTS THE MOTION FROM BEING GIVEN DUE CONSIDERATION
BY THE COURTS.
COMMUNITY MEMBERS ADVOCATES AND
PEOPLE DIRECTLY AFFECTED HAVE
INCREASED. OUR AWARENESS
AND HAVE INFORMED OUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF BEING HEARD ON POST CONVICTION
RELIEF.
THE RAMSEY COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STRONGLY SUPPORTS THIS
EFFORT TO PROVIDE
A CLEAR UNIFORM STATEWIDE PROCESS FOR LAWFUL RESIDENTS OF
THE UNITED STATES
FACING DEPORTATION TO HAVE
THEIR MOTIONS FOR POST CONVICTION RELIEF CONSIDERED BY
A JUDGE WHO CAN CARE WE EXAMINE
THE FACTS OF THEIR CASE
AND DETERMINED WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO LEGAL RELIEF THAT CAN IMPACT THEIR
STANDING IN FEDERAL COURT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE
HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE OLMSTEAD COUNTY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED THEIR SUPPORT FOR
THIS PROPOSED LEGISLATION.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THIS
TESTIMONY. THANK YOU
MISTER SINATRA MEMBERS WERE
GOING TO GO DIRECTLY TO QUESTIONS. REPRESENTATIVE
FLASH.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND A
CHAIR MARY ANN E I. >> FOR SAY I'VE SUPPORTED THIS
BILL IN HALF JUST A REALLY
IMPORTANT BILL. WHAT WAS STATED
BY THE TEST TO FIRES. THE
TESTIMONY IS COMPELLING.
IT WAS COMPELLING IN YEARS PAST
I KNOW THAT IT'S IN THE
POSSESSION OF MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND MAKE SURE WE GIVE
THIS A HEARING GET BACK HERE.
WITHIN A SHORT AMOUNT OF
TIME AS POSSIBLE. SO WE CAN
MAKE SURE IF YOU NEED DEADLINE SO UH I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE
BIT OF A HICCUP WITH IT BEING HERE AND A SNAKE IN TAKING OFFICIAL ACTION ON IT; BUT YOU
CAN BE ASSURED THAT WE WILL MAKE SURE WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS IN THE NEXT WEEK
OR 2 IF YOUR CHURCH.
>> LET'S GET TO HEAR
REPRESENTATIVE PLUS ARROW.
>> I THINK YOU MENTOR AND MY QUESTION IS TO THE BILL AUTHOR
I HEARD MULTIPLE NONE OF THAT'S FIRES REFERENCE THE 2 YEARS.
A STATUTE
OF LIMITATIONS. AND I'M JUST FOR FIRST QUESTION OF THE 2 QUESTIONS IS GOING TO CARE OF
PATIENTS. I DON'T SEE IN THE
LANGUAGE HERE 2 POINT LINES 62002.9 I DON'T SEE ANY CHANGE IN THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS
IS THAT.
IN MY RING THE BELL CORRECT THAT THIS THE 2 YEARS ISN'T
GOING TO CHANGE
TERM AREA. >> A MATCH AIR WRAPS INTO THE CELL THAT'S CORRECT BUT WE'RE DOING IS ADDING THAT EXCEPTION.
TO THE THE TWO-YEAR
A BAR. SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE
ONE THROUGH 5 THAT SUCH AS THIS WOULD BE THE 6 THAT SECTION
THAT SIROTA PARTICULARLY ON THIS IMMIGRATION RELATED
>> A REPRESENTATIVE WITH
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR; OKAY; SO JUST IF YOU CAN THAT JUST NOT SO THIS WILL BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE TWO-YEAR TAX OF THEM
PATIENTS; WHAT
I'M UNDERSTANDING. >> MADAM CHAIR; YES; HIM ALONG WITH THE OTHER ONE THROUGH 5
SEPARATE INCIDENTS OF REPRESENTATIVE SARA. >> AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR TO
CHAIR MARY ANY. SO AS I UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING WHICH
HERE.
HOW WOULD POST CONVICTION RELIEF AT THE STATE LEVEL HAVE
AN IMPACT TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF
IMMIGRATION LAWS ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL BECAUSE IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THEY'RE STILL GOING
TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS. OF WHATEVER ENFORCEMENT THEY
MAY OR MAY NOT
BE TAKING. HOW WOULD POST
CONVICTION RELIEF IMPACT THAT PROCESS.
>> MARY AND HER CHILD THAT
PERCENT OF A DOLLAR FUND AS BASICALLY A WAY TO THINK ABOUT
THIS IS THAT OUR FEDERAL.
HUTCHENS ARE BASICALLY I'M
RIDING ON THE BACKS OF DECISIONS OF THE STATE THE
COMEBACK SHOWS.
>> WHAT WE CAN CONTROL.
THE RELIEF FROM
THOSE CONVICTIONS WHITNEY AND THEY ARE OUR HOPE AND EXPECTATION IS THAT WITH THAT
REALLY PROVIDE A SAFE LEVEL
THEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHOUT RIDE ON THE BACK OF THE
STATE'S A A
CONVICTION DECISION THERE MAY
WELL BE OTHER FACTORS THAT THE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT A GOVERNMENT THEY PURSUE RELATIVE TO THE DEPORTATION. THE CITIES.
>> CHECK THIS AREA
TO COME IF I TURN OUT >> IF THAT'S WHAT THE FOLKS
THAT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE
THE THE EXCEPTION LANGUAGE HERE AND INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF >> THIS IS THIS IS NOT GOING TO
AUTOMATICALLY RESOLVED. THOUGH THEIR LEGAL STANDING IN FEDERAL
IMMIGRATION COURT. THIS WILL DO
A COUPLE OF PRIMARILY IS THAT
IT WILL OPEN UP A SERIES OF
DEFENSES TO
THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR IMMIGRATION PROCEEDINGS; THEY MAY STILL HAVE AN UPHILL A
LEGAL BATTLE AHEAD OF THEM. BUT IT GIVES HIM
STANDING TO PRESENT CERTAIN
DEFENSE IT
IN SEOUL. IT SIGNIFICANTLY
IMPROVES THE LEGAL STANDING OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS JUST TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT THEIR THE FOR THE
FEDERAL TRIBUNAL.
>> THANK YOU MISTRESS ABOUT I GUESS ALSO GOOD TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OPINION ON THE SO
THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE LASH.
>> I DON'T WANT TO JUMP IN LIME
AND SHARE SO IF THERE'S ANY
WELL SO YOU ARE IT IS NOT MADAME CHAIR; MISUSE OF AGE OR
IT'S BEEN. AT LEAST 20 YEARS SINCE I'VE
DONE ANY KIND OF IMAGE AND A LOT CAN YOU TELL
ME REMIND ME IS
THE PREDICATE
FOR THE FED'S IS IT THE CONVICTION OR IS IT THE
ADMISSION ON THE RECORD OF THE FACTS IN STATE COURT MISTER
SINATRA.
MADAM
REPRESENTED LESS.
>> YOU KNOW WE START TO GET INTO THE WEEDS VERY BECAUSE
IMMIGRATION A LOT IS
SO COMPLEX BUT IT'S IT'S REALLY FULFILLS IT'S THE THE ADMISSION
ON
THE RECORD. EVEN IN CASES WHERE THERE IS NO STATE COURT
CONVICTION. THE ADMISSION
ITSELF CAN HAVE IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES SO FOR EXAMPLE;
SOMEBODY
WHO'S DIVERTED. AND GIVEN AN
OPPORTUNITY A SECOND CHANCE IN
STATE COURT. THEY SUCCESSFULLY COMPLY WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS
OF WHATEVER THAT DIVERSION PROGRAM IS AND THEN THEIR CASES
SUBSEQUENTLY DISMISSED.
MAY STILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES
BECAUSE THEY MADE AN ADMISSION
ON THE RECORD. AND IT IT THE FREQUENTLY IS THE CONVICTION
THAT RECORD
OF CONVICTION. BUT SOMETIMES IT'S THE ADMISSION ON THE FACTS
EVEN WHEN THERE ISN'T
A CONVICTION.
>> SO MEN SHOULD PICK A
PRESIDENT LIKE YOU MISTER SAAVEDRA AND THAT'S THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE I WONDER ABOUT THIS AND HAS A LOT TO DO WITH
WHAT WE EXPECT OF OUR PROSECUTORIAL AUTHORITIES TO
WHETHER IT BE THE CITY THAT
WHAT IF THERE'S NOT EVEN A
MISSION ON THE RECORD. BUT WHAT
IF A A AN INDIVIDUAL IS
DIVERTED. AND YOU SIGN ONE OF SEE WIPES THERE COULD YOU KNOW
CONTINUES TO PROSECUTION CAN
THAT CAN THAT BE USED BY THE
FEDS AS WELL MISTER SINATRA.
MADAM CHAIR TERM UNLESS
A THAT.
>> YES IN SOME THAT CAN BE USED AND AGAIN THIS IS WHERE WE START TO GET INTO SOME
COMPLICATED AREAS OF
IMMIGRATION LAW BUT IN THAT
THE. EXTRINSIC FOR EXAMPLE OF SUCH AN AGREEMENT THE 4
CONTINUES
WITHOUT PROSECUTION; WHICH IS FREQUENTLY A TOOL USED IN
MINNESOTA. TO
RESOLVE CASES. SOMETIMES IT CAN
BE AS MUCH AS A YOU KNOW THE A PROBABLE CAUSE FINDING ON A
CHARGE.
SOMETIMES IT CAN BE LIKE POLICE
REPORTS.
AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS LIKE
THE THINGS THAT CAN JEOPARDIZE
AND THE PEOPLE STANDING AND BECAUSE OF THAT COMPLEXITY ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING
AT OLDER CONVICTIONS
GOING BACK 5 YEARS OR 10 YEARS
OR IN SOME CASES A DECADES
BACK.
THE UNDERSTANDING ABOUT SOME OF
THESE COMPLICATED ISSUES WAS
NOT
PROPERLY ARTICULATED TO AN
INDIVIDUAL UNDER THE
6TH GIVEN GIVING THEM GIVING INDIVIDUALS IN THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM IN MINNESOTA. THE KNOWLEDGE TO
BE ABLE TO MAKE A AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT THE
SORT OF CONSEQUENCES THAT MIGHT
FLOW FROM THAT CONVICTION IN
STATE COURT. SO PEOPLE WERE
FLYING
AND A NEW IT WAS ONLY IN THE
LAST. 10 OR 12 YEARS THAT
THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN.
IN
IN THE EXPECTATION OF PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND DEFENSE ATTORNEYS
TO ADVISE THEIR CLIENTS TO BE
ABLE TO INFORM THEM FULLY ABOUT THOSE CONSEQUENCES AND EVEN IN
THOSE CASES; SOME OF
THESE COMPLEXITIES REALLY STAND IN THE WAY OF AN INDIVIDUAL SOMETIMES FULLY KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING THE CONSEQUENCES
OF THOSE CONVICTIONS.
>> THINK TAKE YOU ABOUT YOUR LAST QUESTION IF I COULD JUST
AND IF
THIS IS. EQUALLY AS COMPLICATED YOU CAN JUST LET ME KNOW IT'S JUST A DANGER; BUT YOU KNOW
UNTIL 2013; WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY
GENERALLY A NEXT BUDGET LAWS THAT APPLIED TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH EITHER
THE BCA RECORDS. SO NOW THAT
WE DO. AND
LET'S SAY YOU GET AN EXPUNGEMENT AS WE KNOW YOU CAN
EXPUNGE MEANT.
THE CONVICTION OF 2 SEALS IT.
>> COULD THOSE BE USED TO
EXPUNGE RECORDS AS WELL IN THE
SAME KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT YOU JUST SPOKE OF ITS UNITED SO THAT'S ENOUGH OF AN ANSWER FOR
ME I THINK MISTER SINATRA.
>> MADAME REPRESENTED LAST. SO THE EXPUNGEMENT THE CEILING
A RECORD.
IF THE RECORD IS NOT A RACE; IT'S STILL EXIST; AND IT'S
STILL ACCESSIBLE TO
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY INCLUDING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES SO THEY CAN SEE
RIGHT THROUGH THAT SEAL. SO ABSOLUTELY NO
EFFECT.
IN TERMS OF TRYING TO IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES
INDIVIDUALS HAVE TRIED.
IT'S IT'S VERY CLEAR
THAT HAS NO MEANINGFUL WHICH IS
WHY I THINK THIS OF RELIEF IS
BEING PROPOSED IN PART BECAUSE UH WE DON'T HAVE OTHER REMEDIES IN STATE
LAW THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO
INDIVIDUALS HAVE CONVICTIONS REEXAMINED STATE
COURT JUDGE. THANK YOU.
REPRESENTATIVE LONG. THANK
MADAME
>> ONE OF THE FIRST THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY AN INCREDIBLY MOVING AND POWERFUL
I THINK IF THAT'S NOT AN
INSTANCE THAT CAUSE UP EARLY FOR YOUR FAMILY; I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IS SO THANK YOU
FOR BEING HERE. MY QUESTION IS
FOR MISTER SON TO YOU HE STARTED TO TOUCH ON THIS IN RESPONSE TO THAT REPRESENT LESS QUESTION BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT
IN.
CIRCUMSTANCES WE'RE LOOKING BACK 1520 YEARS AGO; WHAT MIGHT
HAVE BEEN THE PRACTICE FOR A
PUBLIC DEFENDER. PROSECUTOR TO
HELP ADVISE CLIENTS IN THOSE
SITUATIONS COMPARED NOW; I'M SO
THAT'S ONE FACTOR AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A CHANGE IN IMMIGRATION SYSTEMS OVER
THAT
TIME SO COUNTRIES WHERE THEY MIGHT OUT OF THE PORTED TO IN
THE PAST NOW THEY'RE
DEPORTING 2. AND IF YOU FACTOR THOSE 2 THINGS TOGETHER THEN YOU HAVE CONSEQUENCES THAT
REALLY WORK AND
10 DIDN'T WORK PRESENTED TO AT
THE TIME WHEN THEY WERE.
HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THEIR WHAT THEIR SENSES WORK THAT YOU HELPED BRING THAT UP A
LITTLE BIT MISTER SAVITT.
>> MADAM CHAIR
REPRESENTED LONG. IF WE LOOK BACK AT THE PRACTICES AND THE
EXPECTATIONS UNDER THE RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE IN THE STATE
OF MINNESOTA. THERE WAS A TIME NOT THAT LONG AGO WHERE IT WAS
ENOUGH TO TELL US AND
A DEFENDANT.
>> YOUR PLEA IN STATE COURT. THE WAY THAT YOU RESOLVE YOUR
CASE IN STATE COURT. MAY HAVE
IMMIGRATION CONSEQUENCES. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THAT WAS
IT WAS ENOUGH TO SAY THAT.
NOW THAT THE PRACTICE IS MUCH DIFFERENT NOW BUT THE COMPLEXITY I THINK HAS
CERTAINLY INCREASED.
THIS WAS ALLUDED TO IN IN SOME OF THE STATEMENTS BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE THIS EVENING
THE PRACTICES AROUND
ENFORCEMENT HAVE BEEN CHANGING
SO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE.
OLD CONVICTIONS WHO HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ASKED OF
THEM AS
PROSECUTORS AND AS CORRECTIONS
AND AS THE STATE HAS
OBLIGATED THEM. THEY'VE SERVED A THEIR TIME OR THEY'VE PAID
THEIR CONSEQUENCE.
AND MANY YEARS THAT THE
ARE LEARNING THAT THEY MAY
STILL BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL
CONSEQUENCES THEY DIDN'T TO INTEREST PATE AND SOME OF
THOSE CASES INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN HAVE. >> OLDER REMOVAL ORDERS THAT
WERE TRIGGERED BY THESE CONVICTION. >> BUT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN UNABLE TO.
EFFECT
OR EXECUTE THOSE REMOVAL ORDERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE
REPATRIATION AGREEMENTS WITH A NUMBER OF COUNTRIES AROUND THE
WORLD.
THE FEDERAL IT IS MAKING CONCERTED EFFORTS TO ESTABLISH
THE FORMAL
AND INFORMAL. REPATRIATION AGREEMENTS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE
TO EXECUTE THOSE.
OLD. SOMETIMES A FEW YEARS OLD
SOMETIMES DECADES OLD.
AND IN MANY TIMES FOR
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE.
LONG AGO LEFT BEHIND THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. AND SO I I WON'T BELABOR THAT
ISSUE I THINK THAT'S BEEN.
MUCH
IT'S BEEN SENT MUCH BETTER MY OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE NIGHT.
AND THAT COMPLEXITY I THINK WE'RE JUST STARTING WERE STILL
I THINK IN
MINNESOTA COURTS. IN AN
EVOLUTION OF DELIVERING I THINK
MORE CLEAR ADVICE TO INDIVIDUAL
DEFENDANTS SO THAT THEY
HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSEQUENCES THAT MAY COME
FROM THAT CONVICTION. BUT WE
HAVE A HISTORY IN ITS RECENT HISTORY OF INDIVIDUALS GETTING
INADEQUATE ADVICE. AND I THINK ANYBODY WHO HAS WORKED IN
MINNESOTA COURTS. WOULD
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
THAT WE DIDN'T PLAY VERY WELL.
10 YEARS AGO AND INDIVIDUALS
NOW HOW ARE ARE PAYING A PRICE
THAT WAS UNANTICIPATED THAT THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF AND
THIS IS A ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT THE OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY
JOHN CHOI.
IT IS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT AND
THAT'S THE THE THE CONCEPT OF PROPORTIONALITY THAT THE CONSEQUENCE SHOULD FIT THE
CRIME.
AND THIS IS WHERE IT REALLY
STARTS TO GET
OUT ABOUT IT'S THIS LEGISLATION IS INTENDED TO TRY TO PUT THE FINGER BACK ON THE SCALE TO GET US BACK TO
BALANCE. REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT
ME.
>> THANK YOU BY SIR; ELTON AND
MISTER SONATA IF THIS IS BEEN 20 YEARS THAT THIS HAS BEEN
GOING ON.
JUST GETTING AROUND TO COMING UP WITH THE PROCEDURE NOW THAT
MIKE STOP THIS FROM BEING AN
ISSUE AND THIS IS SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S CONCENTRATED
IN
RAMSEY COUNTY. IN RAMSEY
COUNTY; HOW MANY CASES DO WE
HAVE PENDING BECAUSE FOR 20 YEARS. WE DIDN'T FIX SOMETHING
THAT WE KNEW WAS BROKE.
>> I
KNOW THAT IN MADAME
CHAIR; A REPRESENTATIVE UH I I
KNOW THAT THIS ISSUE IS A IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S
BEEN A HERE AT
THE LEGISLATURE. AND I THINK
PART OF THAT IS THAT THE WE
HAVEN'T
FULLY UNDERSTOOD THE SORT OF
COMMUNITY IMPACT THAT UH THAT UH HUH THESE CONSEQUENCES WOULD
HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY
YOU KNOW IN MY I INDICATED
HOW INFLUENTIAL
COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE INFORMING OUR UNDERSTANDING OF
THESE ISSUES IN THE
WAY THAT THE PRACTICES AND THE LAW AS IT STANDS IS AFFECTING
INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
INDIVIDUALS WHO.
WE AS PROSECUTORS HAVE NO INTEREST IN CONTINUING. THE
PROSECUTION OF THESE INDIVIDUALS; THEY PAID THEIR
PRICE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM MOVE ON AND CONTINUE TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE MEMBERS IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
AND THIS IS A I THINK TAKING US
BACK.
AND FORCING US TO REVISIT
THESE CASES AGAIN ITS ITS
GLARING HOW MUCH OF
A GAP IN OUR ABILITY TO
ADEQUATELY OF MINUTES TO
JUSTICE ON BEHALF OF INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY
EXIST IN OUR LAW OF ON POST CONVICTION RELIEF AS IT STANDS
AND SO I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE
LATE TO THE GAME. BUT I ALSO
UNDERSTAND
THE REVOLUTION IN OUR
UNDERSTANDING OF THESE
ISSUES HAS IN
RECENT YEARS. AND NOW WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S IN
PARTICULAR.
WITH A SEVERAL COUNTRIES
IN SOUTHEAST ASIA AND THE CONCENTRATION OF SOUTHEAST
ASIAN OF THE SOUTHEAST ASIAN
COMMUNITY HERE. AND A
MINNESOTA HAS A HISTORY OF WELCOMING PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
REFUGEES AND
ESCAPING PERSECUTION HAS BEEN
ONE OF THE LARGEST RECIPIENTS OF INDIVIDUALS AND THAT'S A
TRADITION THAT HAS UH OH I THINK WE'VE LONG BEEN PROUD OF
HERE IN MINNESOTA. MY UNDERSTANDING
IS THAT UH HUH RAMSEY COUNTY
RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE FROM THE
AMONG COMMUNITY; I'M
LOOKING AT THE REMOVAL OF BACK TO LAOS IS SOMEWHERE IN THE
RANGE OF 450 INDIVIDUALS AND
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF
I'M WRONG. AND AND SO IT IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATIONS
IN IF BUT IF I
RECALL CORRECTLY; IT'S ONE OF
THE 5 STATES THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF A
SOUTHEAST ASIANS WERE
FACING CIRCUMSTANCES I THINK THE NUMBERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY
OR SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF
4;500 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THESE OLD CONVICTIONS IN WHO
HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN. THE LAW ABIDING INDIVIDUAL SINCE THE
TIME OF THEIR CONVICTION. THANK YOU MISS ABOUT RAW AND
ADAM TURNED
TO FIGHT. >> O THANK YOU; YES; I WAS LIKE LOOKING; YES; GO AHEAD IF I
COULD JUST ADD SOME IT REALLY
REGARDING THE TIME LIMIT I THINK IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
A GAP BETWEEN WHEN SOMEONE IS
CONVICTED AND AND NOW AND WHY DIDN'T THEY DO SOMETHING IN THAT TIME I THINK THE INCENTIVE TO CHALLENGE THE CONVICTION MAY
NOT HAVE
BEEN THERE FOR MANY PEOPLE
THEIR LAWYER MAY HAVE TOLD THEM I GOT YOU A GOOD DEAL ON THIS
AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO VERY MUCH TIME YOU'RE GOING
TO GET OUT AND BE ABLE TO BE
WITH YOUR FAMILY REALLY QUICKLY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT AT THE TIME SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN
INCENTIVE TO CHALLENGE THAT CONVICTION. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE NOW THE CASE NOW IS
THAT THEY'RE FACING IMMINENT DEPORTATION TO POSSIBLY A COUNTRY THAT THEY HAVE NEVER
BEEN IN
THERE THEY MAY HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THERE'S AN UNDERLYING
DEFECT IN THE CONVICTION.
>> VERY AREA.
>> THIS IS AN ISSUE
THAT THE UP SO OUTSIDE OF RAMSEY COUNTY AS WELL AS THE VERY FIRST CASE I HEARD THE
FIRST TIME I HEARD
ABOUT THIS. TURNED OF OUR FRIENDS. THE COLLECTIVE I
BELIEVE IS A DELIBERATELY.
CASE BELIEVE WAS A COUPLE COULD
GO TO A IN
THAT CASE. REGARDLESS OF WHERE
THE IMPACT NOT IT IS
A SOCIETY'S GO BEYOND THE
INDIVIDUAL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES CHILDREN SCHOOLS; THEIR SOCIAL NETWORKS; THEIR
PLACES OF WORK. YOU KNOW IT'S CENTRAL SO THE IMPACT WILL WILL
TEND TO BE
BIGGER THAN JUST A FEW 100 THE THE INTERSTATE AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE OUTSIDE OF OAKLAND
COUNTY
AS WELL.
>> THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTATIVE KNOW; BUT YOU HAVE TO AND I'M GOING TO ASK MEMBERS TO KEEP THEIR COMMENTS VERY BRIEF SO
THAT WE CAN KEEP MOVING ALONG HERE. THANK YOU. MISTER OF
THOSE.
SO THE QUESTION THAT THE HEAD WAS IF WE HAVE 450 DEPORTATION
ORDERS ARE READY. HOW MANY POTENTIALLY COULD WE END UP
WITH.
BEFORE WE GET TO A SITUATION WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN
ADVICE. THAT WOULD SAVE THEM FROM THESE
PLEA BARGAINS.
A MISTRESS A DRUG DO WANT TO
TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THAT SAID IT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER. MADAM CHAIR; BUT LOOK AT THE STAB AT
IT AND THIS IS A BETTER
AGAIN JUST. >> SORRY IF WE HAVE A LOT OF BILLS ON THE CALENDAR THAT AND
THE UH HUH.
IN OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS IN
THE LAST
12 MONTHS AS WE LOOKED AT IT IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN
THIS LEGISLATIVE
THAT WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE OBJECTIONS THAT WE REALLY GRAPPLED WITH IS YOU KNOW ARE WE OPENING A FLOODGATE HERE ARE
WE FIRING
UP THE YOU KNOW IF A FIRE HOSE AND OUR DETERMINATION IS THAT
IT'S A IT'S A FAIRLY NARROW.
A NUMBER OF CASES OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO COME BEFORE
THE MINNESOTA INDIVIDUALS.
YOU KNOW AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE A CONCENTRATION HERE AND A RAMSEY
COUNTY.
BUT THIS IS AN
ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO HIT HOME
ACROSS THE STATE OF BECAUSE OUR
IMMIGRANT AND A REFUGEE
COMMITTEES
OUR SOUL. THE INTEGRATED AND SUCH A VITAL PART IN SO MANY
COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE. AND SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO
BE A. SOME THAT'S GOING TO BE
CREATED BY HERE BY THIS
A CHANGE. BUT IT'S VERY CLEAR TO US HAS BEEN HENNEPIN COUNTY
IN PARTICULAR WAS A
WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF
POST CONVICTION
CASES THAT THEY LOOK AT WITHOUT THIS BUT THEY'VE AGREED TO IT AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE
LANGUAGE IS NARROWLY TAILORED
TO GIVE INDIVIDUALS RELIEF A WORD MAKES SENSE THAT IT
STILL SUBJECT TO JUDICIAL REVIEW AND CAN MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE WITHOUT OPENING A
FLOODGATE.
>> THE PRESIDENT ABOUT YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE ANSWER OKAY OP
REPRESENTATIVE WILL LASH.
>> IF I CAN BE FOR HIM AND I'M SURE ARE UPSET ABOUT ME ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD WAS TO GO ON FOR 3040 YEARS AND WE JUST
GET INTO A NOW FOR THE FIRST.
I GUESS 10 YEARS THEY SERVED UP
HERE. WELL; YOU
KNOW FOR 5060 70'S A'S; EVERYONE GOT ELECTED UP HERE BY GETTING TOUGH ON CRIME OKAY.
WE ADDED MORE AND MORE CRIMES ON TOP OF EACH
OTHER; AND NO ONE WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN ANY KIND OF
SECOND CHANCE OR COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES ISSUES. IT'S ONLY
THE LAST 10 YEARS THAT THIS LEGISLATURE STARTED TO LOOK IN A BIPARTISAN
LEVEL I
WOULD ADD AT WHAT HAVE WE
CREATED WAS THE MONSTER THAT
WE'VE CREATED THAT HAS CONSEQUENCES WELL BEYOND WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED AND
IT WAS FOR UPS AND
CARLY MOLINA WHO WAS HERE AT
THE EARLIER MEETING THIS AFTERNOON WHO FIRST BROUGHT THE
EXPUNGEMENT BILL TOOMEY IN 2000
8 TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN WHICH WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES WE STARTED TO SAY; LET'S
PUMP THE BRAKES
ON SOME OF THIS STUFF IT'S
HAVING CONSEQUENCES THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE WHICH IS WHY I THINK YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE
SOME OF THIS BUBBLE UP RIGHT
NOW IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED
BEFORE; BUT IT'S HAPPENING NOW BECAUSE THE AWARENESS THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THE CAPITAL BY
MANY GROUPS; SOME OF WHOM ARE
HERE TONIGHT AND OTHERS HAVE KIND OF FADED BUT THAT'S JUST
MY ANSWER FOR THAT.
>> THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE
FLASHED A LOT OF GOOD BILLS TAKE SOME TIME FOR A LONG TIME
SO I'M REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON.
MADAM CHAIR
AND MEN I JUST WANT TO REMIND
EVERYBODY THAT DEATH THIS BILL IS NOT IN THE POSSESSION OF THE COMMITTEE IT DOES HAVE TO COME
BACK HERE AND WE'VE SPENT
ALMOST AN HOUR ON THIS BILL AND WE HAVE 18 MORE TO GO ICE; I WOULD SUGGEST WE
JUST STOP RIGHT HERE TOO. BUT IT AWAY AND GET TO THE
BILLS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PRISON. >> REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON WILL
TAKE
PASTOR; YES; YES; BUT
NOT A.
>> I JUST GO TO COLLEGE THE PRESENCE OF PURPOSE THAT TOO STRONG A JOINT IS THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS THE NUMBER OF
CONSTITUENTS; THE FACT A
POTENTIALLY EFFECTIVE THIS
AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO UP THE
DISCUSSION OF JUDICIARY AND
SUBSEQUENTLY HERE THE COMMITTEE
REALLY APPRECIATE THE MEMBERS
AT THE TENSION ON FOCUS ON THE FINALS.
>> AND CIARAN GOING TO TAKE WE HAVE 2 MORE ATTORNEYS I THINK THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SAY
SOMETHING FROM OUR
THEY'RE GOING TO GET VERY REPRESENTATIVE AND SO AND THEN REPRESENTATIVE MUELLER THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR; ALWAYS
KEEP
IT SHORT. >> AND I WILL AGAIN AS WELL
JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY THERE PERCENT 90'S QUESTION RIGHT SO WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE
20 YEARS AGO. THERE WERE NOT
THE WARNINGS AND THAT THAT WASN'T THE SAME PROCESS THAT CON TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE REASON
WE CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT
WON'T BE THERE'S NOT THESE NEW
CASES BECAUSE NOW THERE ARE PEOPLE ARE WERE I THINK RATION
CONSEQUENCES IN FACT HAVE
HAVE TO ADVISE CLIENTS ANOTHER OTHERWISE; BUT THAT WASN'T THE
CASE 20 YEARS AGO AND SO THEN THE 2 YEARS PASSED AND YOU CAN'T CHALLENGE THE CONVICTION WE HEARD THE POWERFUL TESTIMONY; THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR SHARING
YOUR STORY. PEOPLE SO IT'S NOT
THAT THIS HAS BEEN SITTING
AROUND FOR 20 YEARS; WE JUST
HAVEN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO IT OVER THE 20 YEARS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LIVING THEIR LIVES HAVING THEIR CHILDREN DOING THEIR WORK DOING THEIR THING AND NOW
SUDDENLY THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS FOR
VARIOUS REASONS; PEOPLE WHO FOR
ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES ARE IN
OUR COMMUNITY AS EVERYBODY
ELSE'S SUDDENLY THEY'RE FACING
THESE DIRE CONSEQUENCES WHERE A
FATHER OF 5 KIDS IS SOMETHING
GOING TO BE SENT TO A COUNTRY THAT HE DOES KNOW THE LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR THAT THE REASON THE 20 YEARS IS NOT THE SPENCER
SITTING AROUND FOR 20 YEARS;
THE 20 YEARS WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT DON'T LIVE IN THEIR
LIVES. IT'S ONLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THIS IS REALLY REASON TO BE SUCH A HUGE
CONCERN
FOR FAMILIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH; THANK YOU CHAIR PINTO
VERY COMPLAINTS AT REPRESENTATIVE MUELLER.
>> THANK MADAM CHAIR; AND THE OTHER POINT JUST TO MAKE IS THAT HE WASN'T UNTIL 2005 THAT
WE EVEN HAD THAT 2 YEAR TIME SO
IT USED TO BE AN UNLIMITED
PERIOD OF TIME THE LEGISLATURE
NARROW THAT DOWN TO 2 YEARS IN 2005 SO THAT SENSE OF URGENCY JUST DIDN'T EXIST IN PREVIOUS YEARS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE
THAT TO YOUR TIME SIR.
>> AND REPRESENTATIVE OKAY THAT CHAIR MARY AN AD ANY FINAL
WORDS.
>> COMING UP THE RECESSION HIT. >> AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE LOOKING FOR TO HAPPEN THIS BILL THERE
THANK YOU.
>> DOLLARS
>> A NUMBER OF
PEOPLE ACT THAT APPRECIATE YOU
BEING HERE AS A WITNESS LIKE TO GET SOME WATER SO WE CAN KEEP
WITH THE
NEXT BILL I REPRESENT 15 YOU
HAVE HOUSE FILED 3 NOW AND
7; 6; AND YOUR MOTION IS
TO REFER. THE BILL TO THE
COMMITTEE OR
GOVERNMENT OPERATE THIS IS MY MOTION REPRESENTATIVES ARE YOUR
BILL IS BEFORE US. THANK YOU.
MISTER CHAIRMAN THANK
YOU MEMBERS. >> HAS FOUND 3976 IS ACTUALLY
THE CREATION OF A TASK FORCE
I'M SENSING FOR IN A BATTING
FELONY MURDERS.
GETTING
A BETTER MEANS YOU DO NEXT OCCUR AT THE TIME; BUT YOU'RE PART OF THE PROCESS OF
COMMITTING THE CRIME.
AGAIN
WHAT THIS DOES IS IT CREATES A TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT OUR
CURRENT STRUCTURE.
TREAT COLLECT ULTIMATELY MAKING
SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE LEGISLATURE CONCERNING OUR
LAWS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE A A FAIRLY TRUNCATED
PERIOD OF TIME I BELIEVE IT'S
US CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR
6 MONTHS TO LOOK IN THAT WITH TASK FORCE THAT'S MADE UP OF 12
MEMBERS SELECTED
BY VARIOUS GROUPS INCLUDING A
ADVOCATES. A PUBLIC DEFENDER.
CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYERS
COUNTY ATTORNEYS WHO BY THE WAY
IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE SPILL. SEVERAL OTHER
INDIVIDUALS AND I.
I COULD PROBABLY TALK FOR ANOTHER 1015 MINUTES; BUT I
HAVE SOME EYES
ADVOCATES HERE THAT I'D LIKE
TO TURN AND OVER HAVE THEM IN THEIR TESTIMONY AND WELL LET'S
START WITH TIGHTNESS. TONY
TAYLOR.
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE
COMMITTEE TO SKATER.
>> GOOD EVENING
CHAIR AND MEMBERS THAT COMMITTEE MY NAME IS TONY CATER AND I'M HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU.
>> OUR STORY AND THE DISCOVERY
OF THE FELONY MURDER LAW IN
MINNESOTA. MY DAUGHTER SINCE
MAKING HITTER SHE IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN A KIND PERSON WHO LOVES TO CARE FOR OTHERS.
SHE IS SMART FUNNY AND
WONDERFUL DAUGHTER.
A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN SHE WAS 19 SHE WAS SUFFERING FROM SUBSTANCE ABUSE SELF-MEDICATING
A TRAUMA. WE WEREN'T AWARE HAD
HAPPENED TO HER HER AND
HER FRIEND; ANNA SPENT A LOT OF
TIME TOGETHER BOTH IN THE THROES OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE RANA MEGAN HAD BEEN AT THEIR
FRIENDS.
AND DRUG DEALERS APARTMENT WITH
HIS GIRLFRIEND AND GRAHAM IS PRESCRIPTION BUT WAS ANTI
DEPRESSANTS ANTI SEIZURE MEDICATIONS.
>> WAS STOLEN WHEN GRANT HIS
REQUEST TO HAVE THAT MEDICATION RETURNED RETURN DOWN AND THE DRUG DEALER STARTED SELLING IT
ON SOCIAL MEDIA BRIANNA MEGHAN
DECIDED TO GO BACK AND GET IT
DURING THIS TIME THEY WERE CONTACTED BY THE EX-ROOMMATE OF THIS YOUNG MAN AND HE SHARED
WITH
ME AGAIN THAT HE HAD HAD SEVERAL ITEMS STOLEN BY THE
SAME PERSON AND WAS GOING TO
RETRIEVE THEM. AND THAT EVENING WITH A FRIEND THEY DECIDED TO
MEET UP AND GO TOGETHER. THEN ONE OF THE MEN DECIDED TO BRING ANOTHER FRIEND AND HIS
UNCLE.
THE GIRLS ENDED UP IN THE BACK STAIRWELL OF THE APARTMENT
BUILDING WITH 2 MEN THEY DID
NOT KNOW WHEN THE GIRL SAW THEM WITH HOODS UP AND PUTTING ON
THE RUBBER GLOVE; SO THEY SAID
THEY WANTED TO BACK OUT.
THEY WERE TOLD WITH A GUN DRAWN IF THEY DIDN'T GET THEM IN THE
APARTMENT THEY WOULD DIE. THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO GO
THROUGH WITH THE BURGLARY.
THESE 2 MEN BEAT THE YOUNG DRUG
DEALER AND ONE OF THE MEN MADE THEIR HORRIFIC DECISION TO SHOOT AND KILL THIS YOUNG MAN.
WHEN WE FOUND OUT WHAT HAPPENED
WE
WERE DEVASTATED. BUT NOTHING WOULD PREPARE US FOR WHAT WAS
ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
>> THEY WOULD BE CHARGED WITH THE CRIMES THEY HAVE COMMITTED.
WE HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS SUCH A
THING AS FELONY MURDER.
WE HAVE NO IDEA THAT IF ONE PERSON MAKES A TERRIFIC AN
AWFUL DECISION TO
KILL SOMEONE BUT ANYONE INVOLVED IN A DIFFERENT FELONY THE CHURCHES THAT THEY PULLED
THE TRIGGER. >> WHEN ALL 6 PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED THAT WERE INVOLVED
WERE CHARGED WITH FIRST-DEGREE MURDER. OUR ABILITY TO BREATHE SEEM TO
STOP.
HOW COULD THE 2 GUNMEN WHO WERE IN THE CAR OUTSIDE THE CHURCH
WITH
FIRST-DEGREE MURDER. HOW COULD MEGAN AND BRIANNA WHO HAD BEEN
VICTIMS OF GUN VIOLENCE
THEMSELVES THAT IT MADE TO LIE
ON THE FLOOR IN THE APARTMENT AS THEY WATCH THIS YOUNG MAN BEATEN AND KILLED THE CHURCH
WITH FIRST-DEGREE MURDER.
HOW WAS IT
POSSIBLE THAT THESE 2 YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAD NO CRIMINAL HISTORY HAD NOT HEARD ANYONE;
BUT WE'RE CHARGED THE SAME AS THE MAN WHO CHOSE TO BEAT AND
KILL THE VICTIM.
BRIANNA MEGAN DID NOT KILL ANYONE THEY DID NOT INTEND FOR
ANYONE
TO BE THEY NOW SUFFER FROM PTSD FROM WITNESSING SOMEONE THEY CARED ABOUT BEING BEATEN AND
KILLED.
THEY WERE CHARGED WITH HIS DEATH AND FACING A MANDATORY OF
LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.
IF THEY TOOK THAT THIS TO TRIAL WHEN WE FOUND OUT THE FIRST
PLEA DEAL WAS MADE TO THE SHOOTER. WE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT WAS HAPPENING. OUR ATTORNEYS SHARED WITH US THAT IN THEIR EXPERIENCE THIS WAS
TYPICAL.
YES; THE PERSON WHO IN FACT BEAT AND SHOT THIS YOUNG MAN
WAS GIVEN THE
FIRST DEAL MEGAN AND
BRIANNA DID TAKE A PLEA DEAL WHAT ARE THEIR OPTIONS BASED ON THE LAW AND ITS BREATH AND WITH
THE FALSE EQUIVALENCY IT ALLOWS
THEY WERE FORCED TO TAKE A PLEA DEAL FOR MURDER THEY WERE SENTENCED TO 15 AND HALF YEARS.
ONCE THEY WERE PLACED IN SHOCK OF P WE CLICK QUICKLY BECAME
AWARE THAT MANY WOMEN.
CURRENTLY AND FORMERLY A CHALK UP THE WOMEN'S PRISON TO HAVE
SIMILAR STORIES WOMEN WHO WERE NOT AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME
WHEN IT HAPPENED WHO WERE OUTSIDE WHEN THE MURDER HAPPENED WHO
PLAYED A PERIPHERAL FAST WHEN IT HAPPENED. AND YET THEY WERE CHARGED WITH THE MURDER THAT
SOMEONE ELSE THAT WE KNOW OF
MULTIPLE WOMEN WHO WERE
SENTENCED TO LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE AND FOR SOME THE KILLER
IN THEIR CASES RECEIVED PLEA DEALS. SOME WON'T GET OUT OF
PRISON AT
20 C THIS YEAR'S THESE WOMEN
WILL NOT DID NOT KILL ANYONE AND THEY WERE SENTENCED TO DEATH BY INCARCERATION ALSO
KNOWN AS LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE.
NOW THEY WILL DIE
OF SHOCK. THE PIECE WOMEN'S PRISON; OUR EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE HAS MOSTLY BEEN ABOUT
THE WOMEN
BUT EACH DAY IT SEEMS I HEAR ANOTHER NEWS STORY OF A YOUNG
MAN SENTENCED UNDER FELONY
MURDER LAW YOUNG MAN WITH NO CRIMINAL HISTORY; NO INTENTION
TO KILL AND DID NOT DO SO.
I DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THE WRONG
IMPRESSION. I AM NOT SAYING THESE PEOPLE DID NOT MAKE
REALLY BAD CHOICES. I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD NOT
BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR
CHOICES AND IN
NO WAY AND MY DENYING OR MINIMIZING THE TRAUMA OF THE
VICTIMS OR THEIR FAMILIES. IT WAS WITHOUT SAYING THAT
THESE PEOPLE
ARE DEVASTATE THAT BY THESE AWFUL AND TRAGIC OFFENSE AT THE LACK OF PROPORTIONAL WITH THE
IN THESE LOTS CHARGES AND
SENTENCES
SEEMS ABSURD AND ACCORDING TO
THE ALLIANCE FOR SAFETY AND
JUSTICE TWICE AS MANY VICTIMS PREFER THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM TO USE REHABILITATION
INSTEAD OF PUNISHMENT.
AND IN THEIR STUDY THEY ALSO FOUND THAT MORE THAN HALF OF THE SURVIVORS OF SERIOUS
VIOLENT CRIMES WOULD PREFER A SYSTEM THAT DEALT WITH SHORTER
PRISON SENTENCES AND PROVIDE
MORE RESOURCES AND PREVENTION
AND REHABILITATION.
THIS TASK FORCE BRINGS TOGETHER
ALL STAKEHOLDERS FROM THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LOVED ONES
SENTENCED UNDER THESE LAWS AND VICTIM ADVOCATE ORGANIZATIONS TO THE SAME ROUND TABLE WELL
WITH THOSE WHO USE THESE LOSS AND SEE THEIR
EFFECTS IN
THEIR DAILY JOBS. WE BELIEVE TOGETHER AT ONE TABLE WE CAN
REVIEW THAT WAS THIS
JUST STATISTICS; THE USE THE
OUTCOMES AND TO DISCOVER IF MINNESOTA LAWS AS WRITTEN OFFER
THE BEST POSSIBLE USE FOR SAFER
MINNESOTA FOR A JUST AN ACT USE OF THE LOSS OF IMPRISONMENT
PEOPLE'S LIVES AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS THERE'S WE AS THE FAMILIES OF THOSE SERVING
EXCESSIVE LEON SENTENCES
FOR CRIMES; BUT SOMEONE ELSE COMMITTED PLEAD WITH YOU TO FORM THIS TASK FORCE REVIEW
THESE LAWS AND ALLOW THAT
THIS GROUP TO FIGURE OUT IF THESE LONG SENTENCES AND
OVERCHARGING I REALLY THE
BEST OPTION. THE BEST USE OF
TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO CREATE A
SAFER MINNESOTA. OR ARE WE JUST
SEEKING CONVICTIONS TO MY DAUGHTER BRIANA AND MANY OF
YOUNG WOMEN ATTORNEY SHAKA
P UNDER IN IRAQ AND THEY'RE
TAKING COLLEGE COURSES MENTORING OTHER WOMEN BE
PRODUCTIVE AND WORKING HARD. I HAVE RECEIVED MANY LETTERS
FROM WOMEN SHARING WITH ME. POSITIVE ROLE; MY DAUGHTER HAS
PLAYED IN HER LIFE;
THE INFLUENCE FOR GOOD. SHE HAS
DONE FOR THOSE AROUND HER THAT I CAN TELL YOU MINNESOTA IS NOT SAFER WITH MEGAN IN PRISON FOR
10 YEARS. MINNESOTA IS NOT
SAFER
WITH BRIANNA A MARINE OR INTERNET OR CAROL OR DON OR I
COULD GO ON; BUT I WON'T
AND THIS TIME MINNESOTA TAKE A LOOK AT THESE LOTS CONSIDER
THIS IS THE BEST OPTIONS.
AND AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO REPRESENT OUR FINE STATE I
ASK YOU TO PASS THIS BILL.
>> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; I HAVE TO ANOTHER
TEST FIRE AND.
WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE; IT'S
GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
>> THANK MADAME CHAIR MY NAME
IS SHELTON.
TO DO FINE.
AT THE AGE OF
MADE A LOT OF BAD DECISIONS
MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES.
AND I WAS A PART OF A ROBBERY GONE; BAD; IT'S
SOMEONE LOST THEIR
WE WEREN'T IN THE
BUILDING ME AND MY FRIEND AT THE TIME AND WE WERE WITH 2
OTHER
SOMEONE END UP DYING AND I
WAS SPACING THERE HE IS IN
THEY WANT YOU TO TAKE A PLEA 15
YEARS TO 10. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T
KNOW WHAT TO SAY SO I TOLD MY
PUBLIC DEFENSE THEY'RE TO CALL MY MOM AND LET HER KNOW MY MOM BY HER
IMMEDIATELY.
SENT MONEY TO PAY FOR A LAWYER;
I'M AND THIS LAWYER.
TELL MY MOM THAT HE COULD
GET THE. CHARGE LOWER TO
AGGRAVATED WHICH CARRY 3 TO
5 YEARS BECAUSE IT WASN'T REASONABLY FORESEEABLE THAT I HAD THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE MURDER
WHICH I DID IT.
I WENT
TO COURT EVERY MONTH FOR 9 MONTHS I SPENT 9 MONTHS IN
HENNEPIN COUNTY JAIL. AND I END UP HAVING TO TAKE THE
15 YEARS.
AND SO I I WAS I WAS SENTENCED
TO SHOP THE P I DID 9 AND A
HALF YEARS
AND I JUST RECENTLY WAS
RELEASED JUNE OF 2018.
AND SINCE THEN IT HAD A
LOT OF WITH
CERTAIN JOBS.
>> THEY HEAR MURDER; THE JUST DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH
IT. SO IT'S
A STRUGGLE LET ME OUT JUST
HAVING THAT ON MY BACKGROUND EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T PHYSICALLY MURDER; ANYONE IS REALLY HARD.
AND AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT
THIS I HAVE A LOT OF PRAISE I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I CARE ABOUT THAT ARE IN SHOCK.
THE
RIGHT NOW. >> THAT ARE DOING IT FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T DO.
AND IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO SEE IN YOUNG WOMEN AND
MEN ENDED UP IN A
SITUATION WHERE.
>> THEY FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE THEY THEY FEEL
LIKE A KID SPEAK UP FOR THIS OF OR BUY ANYTHING
BECAUSE LIKE MUCH
TONY SAID THEY'RE TELLING YOU THAT YOU FACE IN LIFE THEY TOLD
MY MOM I WAS FACING LIFE IN PRISON AND SHE CAME TO SEE ME
AND SHE COULD BARELY TALK.
IT WAS SCARY AHEAD AHEAD FELT LIKE I HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO TAKE THE PLEA. GET OUT ONE DAY.
THAT NO ONE THAT THE DAY THAT I GET OUT AND HAVE SO MANY OTHER
STRUGGLES.
THAT THAT'S WHY TODAY
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR
STORY WITH US MICHELLE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY
YOU CAN.
>> WELCOME BACK.
>> THE SPOT I HAVE ONE MORE TESTS TEST-FIRE A MISTER CHAIR
EFFECT TURNED OVER. PROFESSOR
PARENT UNIT.
>> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU
FOR ALLOWING ME TO
FRANKLY NOTHING I'M GOING TO SAY RIGHT NOW WILL BE HERE IN
LIGHTNING OR AS
THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE JUST BUT I
WILL TRY TO ADD SOME LEGAL
CONTACT TO THE SPELL.
I'M I'M ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA LAW
SCHOOL I TEACH CRIMINAL LAW JUVENILE LAW AND I COULD DIRECT A CHILD ADVOCACY IN JUVENILE
JUSTICE CLINIC.
MY STUDENTS AND I REPRESENT A
NUMBER OF PEOPLE SERVING LIFE IN PRISON FOR OFFENSES THAT
COMMITTED IS CHILLED AND SEVERAL OF WHOM WERE
CONVICTED UNDER THESE LAWS.
MY TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF
HOUSE FILE 3976. WELL BRIEFLY
ADDRESS 3 ASPECTS OF
THIS TOPIC I'LL TOUCH ON THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE WHY IT IS WE
HAVE SOMETHING CALLED
FELONY MURDER. IN THIS COUNTRY
EXISTED IN COMMON LAW COUNTRIES AND WHY IT'S IT'S HERE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT
HERE.
HOW MINNESOTA'S FELONY MURDER AND AIDING ABETTING LAWS
COMPARE WITH LAWS IN OTHER STATES. AND FINALLY JUST A
COUPLE OF WORDS ABOUT THE
BENEFITS OF ESTABLISHING A TASK FORCE TO STUDY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THESE
LAWS.
FELONY MURDER IS AN ENGLISH COMMON LAW DOCTRINE; IT'S VERY OLD AND IT
WAS DONE BELLA TO
ALLOW THOSE WHOSE CONDUCT BROUGHT ABOUT AN UNATTENDED DEATH AND THE COMMISSION OR
ATTEMPTED COMMISSION OF A
FELONY TO BE FOUND GUILTY OF
MURDER BY IMPUGNING MY DALLAS WHERE THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC
INTENT TO KILL.
ORIGINALLY IT WAS NOT ENOUGH THAT THE KILLING OCCURRED
DURING THE FELONY. THE DEFENDANT MUST ACTUALLY HAVE
CAUSED THE DEATH. THE DOCTRINE
WAS IMPORTED THE UNITED STATES IN THE 18TH CENTURY IN FIRST
FIDE IN THE
19TH CENTURY. INITIALLY ONLY A
LIMITED NUMBER OF CRIMINAL ACTS
COULD SERVE AS PREDICATE FELONIES BUT AS WITH A LOT OF THINGS AND THE
CRIMINAL LAW.
THE LIST EXPANDED RAPIDLY TO INCLUDE MANY RELATIVELY MINOR
OFFENSES.
AS THE MINNESOTA SUPREME COURT
HAS RECOGNIZED HOWEVER EVEN AS NEARLY EVERY STATE ADOPTED
FELONY MURDER LAWS. THE
DOCTOR UNQUOTE REMAINS AN
ANOMALY IN THE LAST HOMICIDE.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER DOES THE ONLY FORM OF HOMICIDE THAT
DOES NOT REQUIRE PROOF OF A
SPECIFIC MENTAL STATE. THAT'S A PERSON
CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR MURDER. EVEN IF SHE DID NOT
INTEND TO DO ANYTHING
BY LAW AND AND SUBJECTED TO A SENTENCE THAT FAR EXCEEDS HER
CULPABILITY.
BECAUSE OF THIS ENGLISH ABOLISH
THE FELONY MURDER RULE IN
1957. FOLLOWED BY CANADA AND
AND AND INDIA
AND EVERY OTHER COMMON LAW COUNTRY BUT THE UNITED STATES.
IN THE UNITED STATES RESEARCH RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE INCARCERATED
UNDER FELONY
MURDER LAWS ARE YOUNG AND THEY
ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR.
AS THOSE WHO ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL CAN
ATTEST.
PEOPLE OF EVERY AGE GENDER RACE
NATIONALITY AND
GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION ARE
IMPACTED BY THIS LOSS.
BECAUSE OF THE INHERENT DISPARITIES IN THE APPLICATION
AND THE EMERGENCE OF STORIES
LIKE MEGHAN'S AND BRIANNA'S
AND CRYSTALS UNITE US STATES ARE NOW REVIEWING AND REFORMING
THEIR FELONY MURDER RULES. IN RECENT YEARS; THE FELONY MURDER RULE HAS BEEN ABOLISHED
TO KNOW
HAWAII; KENTUCKY
MICHIGAN AND MASSACHUSETTS AND ARKANSAS CALIFORNIA CONNECTICUT; DELAWARE; MAINE;
NEW JERSEY;
NEW YORK. NORTH DAKOTA; OREGON
AND WASHINGTON NOW LIMIT THE FELONY MURDER RULE TO THE ACTUAL PERPETRATORS OF THE
HOMICIDE. SO HOW TO
MINNESOTA'S FELONY MURDER AND AIDING AND ABETTING LAST
COMPARE WITH OTHER
STATES LAWS RELATIVE TO OTHER
STATES MINNESOTA HAS AN ESPECIALLY BROAD FELONY MURDER
RULE IN 3 CRITICAL RESPECT
ITS FIRST AS YOU'VE HEARD.
IT IS POSSIBLE IN MINNESOTA TO BE CHARGED WITH AND CONVICTED
OF FIRST-DEGREE MURDER WITHOUT EVER INTENDING TO KILL ANYONE.
THIS IS BECAUSE A DEFENDANT CAN BE CHARGED WITH AIDING AND ABETTING THE IN TENSION AND
KILLING OF
ANOTHER PERSON WHILE COMMITTING
AN UNDERLYING FELONY LIKE AGGRAVATED BURGLARY. WHERE THERE IS NO INTENT TO KILL AT
ALL.
THEN JOHNSON; I'M SITTING HERE HAS DONE A TERRIFIC
SUMMARY FOR THE HOUSE
ON AIDING AND ABETTING AND HOW THAT LAW WORKS IN MINNESOTA AND
I WOULD ENCOURAGE MEMBERS TO
READ IT. IT EXPLAINS HOW IN
CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER THIS IS A VERY EXPANSIVE DOCTRINE ON ITS OWN BUT IN
COMBINATION WITH OUR FELONY
MURDER STATUTES. PEOPLE LIKE
MEGAN AND BRIANA
AND CRYSTAL ARE BROUGHT WITHIN THE REALM OF HOMICIDE WITHOUT
EVER INTENDING TO
KILL ANYONE. SECOND IT IS
POSSIBLE TO BE CHARGED WITH AND
CONVICTED OF SECOND-DEGREE
MURDER IN MINNESOTA UNDER 6 O
9.19. IF AS A DEFENDANT TO
COMMIT A FELONY ASSAULTS THAT
RESULTS IN DEATH THIS IS
BECAUSE MINNESOTA IS ONE OF JUST A FEW STATES THAT DOESN'T
RECOGNIZE WHAT'S CALLED THE
MERGER DOCTRINE. WHICH HOLDS
THAT IF THE UNDERLYING FELONY
BECOMES OUR MERGES WITH THE MURDER. THE CANNOT ALSO BE THE
PREDICATE FOR FELONY UNDER MINNESOTA DOESN'T RECOGNIZE
THIS.
3RD IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A MISDEMEANOR ASSAULT IN
MINNESOTA TO BECOME A
FELONY ASSAULT BASED ON THE
EXTENT OF THE VICTIM'S INJURY AND THEREFORE BECOME THE
PREDICATE FOR SECOND
DEGREE MURDER. EVEN IF THE DEFENDANT INTENDED NO INJURY TO
ANY VICTIM
AT ALL TAKEN TOGETHER THESE PROVISIONS OF MINNESOTA LAW
ALLOW FOR MORE EXPANSIVE
CRIMINAL LIABILITY FOR OTHERWISE UNINTENTIONAL DEATHS
THAN IN MANY OTHER STATES.
WHILE THERE ARE PLAINLY CIRCUMSTANCES WERE IMPOSING CRIMINAL LIABILITY FOR AN INTENTIONAL ACT. MAY MAKE
SENSE.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER
THESE LAWS THAT WE NOW HAVE TRULY SERVE THE PURPOSES FOR
WHICH THEY ARE AND WERE INTENDED. AND WHETHER THEY'RE FAIR AND EQUITABLE THIS IS WHAT
WE NEED TO DETERMINE.
FINALLY A FEW WORDS ON A
TASK FORCE BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY
LACK DATA ON THE APPLICATIONS OF THESE
DOCTRINES AND BECAUSE THIS AREA OF THE LAW IS INCREDIBLY DENSE
AND COMPLICATED.
INDEED LAW PROFESSORS HAVE SPENT ENTIRE CAREER STUDYING
NOTHING BUT FELONY MURDER.
AND BECAUSE MOST IMPORTANTLY AS WE HAVE HEARD THERE IS SO MUCH
AT STAKE.
4 DEFENDANTS VICTIMS AND THEIR
FAMILIES.
A BIPARTISAN GROUP OF EXPERTS OF IMPACTED PERSONS
AND THEIR FAMILIES OF STAKEHOLDERS
TO STUDY THIS PROBLEM AND MAKE
STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS
TO YOU ABOUT REFORMS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR ALL OF MINNESOTA IS
URGENTLY NEEDED. THANK YOU.
>> THANK
>> THOSE WHO ARE
OTHER WHEN WE OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS AND WE'LL SEE IF ANYONE ELSE THE AUDIENCE WHICH
IS THE SPEED.
>> THE QUESTION IS FROM
COMMITTEE RIP SERVICE.
>> THANK YOU COMPELLING AND I
WOULD
LIKE TO AND MORE AND MINE IS MORE OF THE MECHANICS OF THE
TASK
FORCE SO NOT MAKING ANY COMMENTARY ON THE SUBJECT BUT HAS THERE BEEN A FISCAL NOTE
CREATED FOR THIS MONTH.
I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IT
SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD HAVE SOME EXPENSES ALLOCATED TO IT AND
WE'RE FISCAL COMMITTEE HAD BUT YOU KNOW THERE WAS A PHYSICAL NO CERTAIN REST OF THE SCHOOL STAFF. >> THE 3RD; THERE'S ONE
CURRENTLY.
>> MISTER ARTS RIPS AN
ASH THERE WAS A FISCAL NOT REQUESTED IT IS NOT SIGNED OFF
ON BY THE LBO THAT DEPARTMENT
OF CORRECTIONS PUT IN
$25;000 REQUEST FOR A PART-TIME
STAFF PERSON
FOR THIS. COMMISSION MISTER CHURCH YOU SORT AND FISCAL SET
OF THE 25 PER YEAR OR.
THE REPORT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN
THE YEARS; I'M JUST TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS IS TO US. MISTER CHAIR REPRESENT
MATCH THAT WAS IT WAS ONE TIME
APPROPRIATION OF 25;000.
AND IT SURE DOES LITTLE PERCENT
TO FINISH THAT UP IF IF THAT GOES LONGER BECAUSE OF THE
STIPULATION IN THE TASK FOR US
LIFE SAYS IT WILL BE AFTER THE
SUBMISSION OF THE REPORT IF IT GOES LONGER THAN A YEAR; WHAT
HAPPENS THEM.
AND MISTER MISTER JOHNSON
MISTER CHAIR REPRESENT
NASH JUST TO CLARIFY THAT
REPORT DOES HAVE A DUE DATE IN
SUBDIVISION 6 OF JANUARY 15TH
20 21 SO THE TASK FORCE WOULD EXPIRE. AFTER SUBMISSION OF
JANUARY 1520 21.
OF OTHER
QUESTIONS COMMENTS.
RIPS
OPEN TILL. >> THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR; AND I JUST THINK I'M THE ADVOCATES ARE PUSHING THIS AND AND FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS AND PRESERVED
AS
WELL TO TO I KNOW THERE WAS SOME SOME DISCUSSION IN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER REALLY
APPRECIATE.
YOU YOU DOING THAT AND THEN WORK AND YOU'RE JUST REALLY COMPELLING EXPERIENCE
THANK YOU FOR SHARING IT WITH US. WE WISH YOU THE VERY
VERY BEST TO THANK YOU. MISTER CHAIR. >> EVERYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE SO THAT WAS SUPPOSED
TO FUND FOR ISABEL.
IF NOT THE PURPOSE OF IT I
BELIEVE ARE READY MOVE ON ON
THE BILL. WELL BEFORE WE DO I DO WANT TO AGAIN THANK CURTIS
OF FIRES; A SKATER.
YOU'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A WHILE
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR
PERSEVERANCE AND AND THE COST
OF BELIEF AND YOUR LOVED ONE AND UNJUST AND THE INDEED
WELCOME BACK WITH SHOE.
MUCH SUCCESS.
AND HOPE THAT YOU WITH YOUR
LIFE
AND LOVE. THE THE GOOD PRODUCTIVE CITIZEN SURE MANY OF
YOUR LOVED ONES KNOW THAT
YOU ARE. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE TOOK A LOT OF COURAGE TO
DO THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT
WITHOUT PURPOSE OF THE
REDUCES MOTION. CYRUS OF THE EVENT WHERE YES; THANK YOU.
MISTER
>> YOU KNOW THE COMMISSIONER OF DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS IS A
POINT ABOUT
THIS AND THEY'RE ON
OF COURSE THE GOVERNOR SUPPORTIVE AND I SPOKE A LITTLE TOO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID
YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN
OFFICIAL POSITION. BUT WHEN THE WILL BE SURE TO NOTIFY ALL OF
YOU. AND IN
THIS IS NOT REALLY A PARTISAN THING IN THE SAID
CHAMBERLAIN'S CARRYING
THIS BILL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS MOVED IN MANY STATES.
WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING ON
THE FLOOR. THERE ARE TIMES TO
DO THE RIGHT THING.
THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN
GONE AND THE STATE OF
MINNESOTA. AND WE NEED TO
LOOK AT HOW OUR LAWS CAN BE
MODIFIED OR CHANGE TO REALLY. MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING
IN OUR THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IS
PROPORTIONAL TO THE OFFENSE. SO WITH THAT MISTER CHAIRMAN
MEMBERS I WOULD PASS FOR
YOUR SUPPORT AND YOU MY MOTION TO MOVE THIS GOVERNMENT
OPERATES.
>> THEY DO SO THEY REPRESENT
THE RENEWS MOTION.
>> THAT HOUSE CALL.
THE 3; 9; 7; 6; WE REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT
OPERATIONS ALL IN FAVOR OF
THE MOTION. POLICE SAY PULLS
TROOPS AND THOSE ARE PREVAILS.
>> PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK
THEY'RE GETTING RELEASED.
YOU COULD KNOW IF HE'S
ALIVE COME.
I KNOW IT
THE CHAIR
MARY ANY.
ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE 20 AT 7 OH
9 BEFORE US MARY ANN; AND I IF YOU LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A
AMENDMENTS.
THE GIRL LOOKED AWAY FROM THE
PUBLIC GOT A BAD THING. A LITTLE TIME WITH BOTH THE HOUSE VOTES OR SO. >> WILL THAT BE REFERRED TO THE
COMMITTEE AND
TO SHARE. THERE IS A LEGAL AMENDMENT THAT I WOULD MOVE
THAT AMENDMENT AT THIS POINT.
>> CREATED AND THE AMENDMENT
ANYTHING WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE MOMENT.
>> JUST OF PUTS A BILL IN THE SHAPE THE WORSHIP TO HAVE OVER FOR YOU WILL WALK THROUGH THAT.
IT'S A MARKEDLY DIFFERENT FROM THE HOSPITAL FOR SOMETHING THAT
MIGHT HAVE THE ORIGINALLY
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF A 20
SAY AYE AYE WRITE THE CHAIR
MARY ON THE GO AHEAD WITH
YOUR BELL. >> I HAVE A A POWERPOINT WE'LL
SEE IF A WERE ABLE TO GET UP
THERE HUH.
>> AND TIME YOU HAVE THE POWER. >> WHEN CHAIR MARY ANN OF THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY
IMPRESSED ABOUT FOOD; AN R I
YEAH EXACTLY THE HOT SUN;
>> MEMBERS SO WHILE SET THAT UP
LET ME TO SAY THAT THIS BILL
>> WENT OVER THROUGH
THROUGH COMMITTEE LAST
BASICALLY SO TO
SON YOU
A CAR THE BILL THE KIND OF
THE ISSUES.
THAT RISE TO US A PERSONAL
LEVEL THE THAT WE HEARD
EARLIER TODAY. THE NUMBER OF US CITIZENS IN MINNESOTA. IT'S A
BILL
>> WE'VE BEEN FOR OVER A YEAR
WORKING
AWFULLY HARD WITH ALL SORTS OF
STAKEHOLDERS WE'VE ENGAGED TO
LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT MADE IT
I'M A GROUPS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT'S NOT TO SAY LAW
ENFORCEMENT SUPPORTED BY BUT IT
IS TO SAY THAT.
BAR MY APPROACH TO THIS WORK IN TERMS OF WHAT I
BELIEVE IS
>> ACCOUNTABILITY
UH HUH PRESIDENTS; A LAW
ENFORCEMENT IN THE STATE OF THE
COURSE OF THAT WORK ON SOUGHT
BECAUSE OF
SHERIFF I THINK IN WITH OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY.
LISTEN CAREFULLY BUT
THAT JUST MEANT SO THAT WE GET
TO 27 OVER TIME AND
SO MY IT TURNED A FAIR
SHARE MEMBERS ISN'T TO DO ON TO
AS MUCH AS CERTAINLY ASSERT.
COMPELLING STATE FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY OTHER PART OF THE STATE
AND TO DO THAT THE WAY REALLY
OF RUNS UP THE BASS OF ALL OF
OUR PROFESSIONAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT; A
THE CUPS WERE SUPPOSED TO MOVE
THIS WHOLE STORY.
YES SO THIS
IS THE BEAR CITY PART BUT I
THINK OR WHAT THAT
THAT'S A A PICTURE OF A YOUNG PUERTO RICAN KID WHO GREW UP IN
THE STREETS OF CHICAGO. THE ONE
ON
>> THANKS THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST OF THE CAPITOL FOR A
LOOK AT THE O K. SO NOT THE
HERE. LET ME.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BASICALLY A THING YOU HAVE TO
DO ANYTHING TO DO.
>> YOU KNOW BY A BITE THAT TOPPING TO POP OUT THAT HAIR; YOU UP THAT WAY NOW IT'S IT'S
GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO DO THAT ON PURPOSE OF THE MUELLER STOPPED.
>> BECERRA MEMBERS. WHAT I WAS
A KID GROWING UP
IN CHICAGO. >> QUITE FRANKLY THE THOUGHT OF
BEING THERE POLICE WAS NOT. SOMETHING THAT HAS OCCURRED
JUST.
QUITE FRANKLY FEARFUL
OF OUR LOCAL POLICE LOCAL POLICE BACK TO THE 60'S GAVE US
LOTS OF REASONS TO BE FEARFUL
THEM. IT WAS NOT AT ALL
EVEN AS KIDS TO BE ON THE
WRONG END THE BAD AND THE RACIAL SLURS. IT'S A PRETTY
ROUGH TREATMENT AND
OUR
REACTION OFF OF THE CITY POLICE OFFICER WAS TO RUN IN THE
OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
THAT ALL THE GUYS OUR FAMILY BUT THERE'S A NEIGHBORS
AND THEIR FANS. WHO SERVED A
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
>> GOOD CITIZENS CURE HUMAN WHO
SHARE MANY OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT I HAVE
ABOUT OUR SOCIETY
RELATIVE TO RACING AND EQUAL TREATMENT; HOWEVER THAT IF THE
THAT WAS PLANTED EARLY IS A VIVID TO FORTUNATELY CONTINUES
TO.
>> THE. >> IT'S INSTANTLY FORCE WITHIN
MANY COMMUNITIES. INCLUDING WITHIN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR YOU HEARD FROM SOME OF THEM.
EARLIER
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TO HEAR
AND LISTEN. TO THEIR EMOTIONS SO THEIR
DESCRIPTION OF WORK. HAPPENED
TO THEIR LOVED A LOT OF WALL OF
STUFF THERE. IT'S
MY CONTENTION. MEMBERS THAT
IT'S A KIND OF
EMOTION THOSE KIND OF PERCEPTIONS OF REALITY IS THAT
GET IN THE WAY OF PUBLIC SAFETY
AND GOOD
COMMUNITY BUILDING. FOR ME THE NUMBERS PUBLIC SAFETY AND I THINK WE TRY TO DO THIS IN SHAPE WITH THIS COMMITTEE
PUBLIC SAFETY IS
ABOUT BUILDING. THEY'RE MAINTAINING COMMUNITY THAT SOLVES PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY
BECOME CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
TO THE OTHER WAY TO SAY THAT
WITHOUT COMMUNITY THERE IS NO PUBLIC SAFETY. THERE IS A FORSMAN OF LAW WHICH IS NOT THE
SAME THING.
WE HAVE FAIRLY
ABOUT WAS THE KIND THE FORCE BUT WE'VE HEARD THIS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT THEMSELVES HERE
OVER THE PAST 3 YEARS WAS.
ADVOCATES THE CITIZENS THAT
WE OFTEN WISELY CALLED ON LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SO WE DO WHAT IT
CANNOT DO ALONE
WHICH IS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS
BEFORE THEY BECOME CRIMINAL
CLEARLY THERE IS AN IMPORTANT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PLAY A
BIT PLAY THAT ROLE LOW.
QUITE FRANKLY I THINK THAT THE THAT THE COWARDICE ON THE REST OF US TO AWARD PROFESSION TO
SOLVE A COMMUNITY.
PROBLEMS. SO POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS ARE VITALLY
IMPORTANT.
LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS A DUTY TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY
LEADERS HAVE A DUTY TO
ENSURE THAT AND LEGISLATORS
HAVE A DUTY TO CREATE LAWS THAT SAID EXPECT CASES TO ESTABLISH
STRONG POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS OF OUR STATE LICENSE LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND TO THESE.
THEY DID I WOULD ARGUE
THAT IT'S A FROM WHICH INDEED
ALL DIRECTION AUTHORITY RISES.
THE RISES WERE TO
RISE USE A LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT WE HAVE DONE VERY
WELL LITTLE IN TERMS OF PROVIDING DIRECTION AND
STANDARDS IN A SEXUAL WAY TOOK NO HOLLERS STANDARDS ARE BEING USED TO IT
THE PUBLIC.
WE'VE DONE VERY LITTLE IN TERMS
OF NECESSARY REPORTING
THAT EMPOWERS BOTH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT THERE ARE AND
AT THE SAME TIME.
2 THE
GENERAL PUBLIC. THERE'S MUCH
MORE THAT WE CAN DO AND
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS. SO THIS
BILL REALLY MODERNIZES THE FENCE ABOUT A NICE OUR ABILITY
TO HAVE A STRONG SYSTEM DRIVE AND POLICE COMMUNITY VOICES
THAT DRIVES A
PUBLIC SAFETY. MY COMMITTEE LEGISLATOR; A LEGISLATIVE
ASSISTANT
ALL DOWN THEY GET OUT OF THE WATER AT HOLD IT AS OPPOSED TO
JUMP OFF
OF THAT THUS THE THIS BUT LET ME JUST RUN THROUGH THIS VERY
QUICK WITHOUT A WITH THE BILL
SO THE BILL IS THAT
YOU KNOW WE'RE 30 RESPECTFUL
THAT WE HAVE 30 YEARS A
GOVERNMENT REPORT RIGHT HERE IN MINNESOTA.
>> OF THE RIVER.
>> FRIDAY OF THAT SPEAKS TO.
THE NEED FOR A STRONG EMPHASIS OF POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS.
AS I STATED EARLIER THE REPEAL LITTLE BIT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY
RELIES ON COMMUNITY TRUST YOU
CAN GO FORWARD.
AS I MENTIONED INTERACTED WITH
ARE FOLKS BUT NOT JUST
LAW ENFORCEMENT; THE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ATTENDED MEETINGS A NUMBER
OF US WERE AT THE THE
JOINT HEARING. WE HAVE LONG
LONG RACE OVER IT I HAVE A
UNIVERSITY. A FEW MONTHS AGO.
AND SO WHAT THE BILL WILL DO.
WHAT IT LOOKS THE SOL.
WHERE WE HAVE THOSE POCKETS
OF LACK OF BY IN OUR LAW
WHERE THERE ARE NO POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS NEWS THAT
THERE'S A STATE STATUTE.
IN RULES AND SO MIGHT IT END
HERE IS THE PLACE LITTLES INTO THE RIGHT THING FOR LAWS THOUGH
BACK TO WORK.
RECOGNIZING THAT CURRENTLY.
ITS STATUTE DOES THAT DESCRIBE IT MINIMUM STANDARDS
FOR ELIMINATING
THE PERCEPTION. ALL OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN CASES WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERSHIP IS BEING PROSECUTED.
WHAT THIS BILL DOES THEN IS TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS. MEASURES
WHETHER AGENCIES ARE MEETING THOSE STANDARDS IT HOLDS LEADERSHIP ACCOUNTABLE FOR
SYSTEM VIOLATIONS OF THOSE STANDARDS. SO THERE'S
SOME OF THIS
ATTACK WILL AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL A PPS A REPORT ALSO ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE
TICKING ALONG
THOSE LINES. WHAT THIS BILL
DOES NOT DO THAT DOES NOT
CREATE ANY NEW ROLE FOR ASSISTING AGENCIES IN OTHER
WORDS
WE DUG PRETTY DEEP
THE EXISTING MANDATES A STATE AND DIRECTION THAT WE'VE GIVEN
A 2 TO OUR FULL SUPPORT
IN PARTICULAR
BASICALLY HAVE A CONSTRUCT THE
BILL THAT
FOR THE MOST PART REALLY JUST
EMPHASIZES A GOOD TIME.
OF LAW THAT HAS THOSE ENTITIES THAT THAT
ESTABLISH UL'S ENTITIES.
THIS LAW DOES NOT CREATE THE FACT THOUGH A STATE
JURISDICTION. THEY'RE
A LOT OF ROOM
AND RIGHTLY SO FOR
LOCAL THAT IT'S BEEN IN THE FACT THAT IT'S PUT PATIENTS
FIRST TIME POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND ACCOUNTABILITY
WHEN THERE ARE COMPLAINTS.
I'M STILL
A STRONGLY. RESIDING
LOCAL JURISDICTIONS BUT DOING
SO IN COORDINATION WITH
OUR STATE THESE IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE POLICE WITH
REGARDS TO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. WHAT
CONSTITUTES CRIMINAL ACTS FOR POLICE OR THE PROCESS OF INVESTIGATING OR PROSECUTING
THIS CONDUCT FOR OVER 90
OF POLICE. AND THEN THE A IS
THAT. EVEN AS WE SPEAK. THERE
HAS BEEN.
AND I WELCOME THAT WE SAW SOME
WELCOME IT.
THERE HAS BEEN A STRONG.
MOVEMENT.
OUR AGENCY SOME OF THE THAT
WE'RE SEEING AT THE POST OR A DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC SAFETY WE
BELIEVE THAT OUR COLLECTIVE OF DISCUSSIONS HERE IN THE
LEGISLATURE HAS
THINGS LIKE THE POLL SUPPORT TO
PUBLISH AGENCY LEVEL POLICE MISCONDUCT DATA. HIGHLIGHTED
POTENTIAL GAPS IN
THE SYSTEM. BUDDY DIVERSE CONSTITUENCIES SEE A KIND OF A
NEED FOR REFORM WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF OF CITIZENS COME FROM
THE CONVERSE OF THAT RATHER
STAY. COMING TO ENGAGE WITH US
AND SOME OF THE THOSE WHO SAW THE SPORTING IS UNCOMFORTABLE. I WAS A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE OF
THIS MORNING; BUT QUITE FRANKLY
THAT'S NOT GOOD
PUBLIC POLICY. WERE COMES FROM
THAT DOESN'T COME FROM ABORTED I HAVE READ THE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR
NEIGHBORS. SOME OF WHO.
SUFFER AS A RESULT OF A LACK OF
ATTENTION.
TO A KIND OF FOR A PUBLIC
PURPOSE SYSTEMS.
SO MATTER REMEMBER THIS KIND OF
CHAIR MEMBERS WHO VERY
UH THIS BILL WOULD USER LICENSE OR FRAMEWORK OF STRUCTURE
PRIMARILY WITHIN
THE POLLS. BOARD TO A PARENT
SUPPORT OF FORCE POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS. THAT CONTRIBUTE TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND
WE DO THAT
CLEAR EXPECTATION OF STRONG COLLECTION FOR REPORTING
OF DATA.
THE ESTABLISHMENT THROUGH
A RULEMAKING WHERE WE'RE A
RULEMAKING O 4.
POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS
GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS AND
THEN A PERHAPS THE
CONTROVERSIAL PIECE
OF LEGISLATION. I'M CALLING FOR
A PROCESS TO INVESTIGATE WHEN THERE'S A COMPLETE IT GETS THE
A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHOSE
DUTY OF COURSE IS TO
OVERSEE OUR IMPLEMENTATION OF
COMMUNITY OF A COMMUNITY.
POLICE RELATIONS PRACTICES IN
CULTURES
A JOURNEY OF THE PUBLIC'S SO
THE PACE IT WILL BE DIRECTED TO COLLECT DATA MOST OF THAT IS
REALLY EXISTING DATA
THAT WE PUT MORE MEAT IF YOU
WILL OF THE IS SO
MORE BE DOUBLES TO BE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC AROUND DATA RELATED TO
EXCESSIVE FORCE. THINGS LIKE
BOOKS US OF FORCE. SEXUAL AND
HARASSMENT.
MOST OF THIS MEMBERS IS A SYSTEM THAT WERE VERY EXPLICIT
THAT ONE. CALLING FOR THE
COLLECTION OF POSTING OF BUT
THAT AND
CONFIDENTIAL DATA. BUT ITS EXISTING DATA WITH MEAT ON THE BONES AS I SAID EARLIER
A POLICE.
PUBLICLY REPORTED. COMPLAINTS
OF POLICE MISCONDUCT. THE WHOLE
SPORT
WOULD BE TO
PUBLISH SUMMARY DATA SO THEY IN TURN DOES THAT DATA THAT USEFUL
FOR THE MOST PART OF THAT SIZE
THE POWER LICENSURE
TO BE ABLE TO BE A FORCE OF
THIS THIS A VITAL ROLE SHOULD.
ACTIVITY AS POLICE COMMUNITY
RELATIONS. BUT THE PUBLISHED
SUMMARY DATA.
COMMISSIONER EARLIER TALKED ABOUT IT NOW HUBBLE WITH A LOOK
THAT
FROM ACROSS THE
HOPE IS TO MOMENTS.
IN OUR PULSE
AS THEY'RE ABLE TO COLLECT AND REPORT DATA PER
ENTITY.
SO THAT IT CAN SEE
PERHAPS PATTERNS OF EVOLUTION AND TURNS THAT ALLOWS IT TO
CONTINUE
TO MODERNIZE THROUGH RULEMAKING
ITS ABILITY
TO DRAW. AFFECT THE POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS PRACTICES OF THE POLL SUPPORT IN THE
BILLS DIRECT THAT
TO ESTABLISH. GUIDELINES PREFER
POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS.
AND YOU KNOW MEMBERS THE
ATTORNEY HERE
IS THAT YOU KNOW UNLESS THEY'RE REALLY A COMMON STANDARD THERE
ARE NO STANCE A THERE ARE VERY
SUBJECTIVE DECISIONS.
IT ANY THAT THAT WOULD BE MADE
THE
SUB STRUCTURES WITHIN THAT
SECTOR AND SO IT'S A COMPELLING STATE INTEREST AND I BELIEVE IT
DOES FOR FOR THE STATE. TO
NURTURE.
A STRONG PUBLIC SAFETY BEHIND
POLICE COMMUNITY. AFFECT THE
POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS IT'S
MY CONTENTION THAT
WE NEED IS STRONG STARTING
POINT OF A GOOD HIGH QUALITY
STANDARDS; A CIVIL STANDARDS
WOULD INCLUDE WE SPOKE
WE SPOKE ABOUT
IN IN THE BILL.
STANDARDS ARE OUT OF REACH
AROUND UH
TO ARREST AROUND GUIDELINES FOR
A SCHOOL
RESOURCE OFFICERS. FOR BEST
PRACTICES FOR POLICE CIVILIAN
REVIEW. BOARDS
OF ACTIVITIES FOR INTERACTIONS
WITH VICTIMS AND WITNESSES.
WHO ARE OF SUFFERING TRYING FOR
DETERMINING WHAT THRESHOLDS
WOULD MERIT. FOR MERITORIOUS A
AND THEN THE POLLS BUT WITH
THAT IN THE DIRECT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE LEGISLATURE AND POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS SO THAT WE
CAN ALL THAT.
THE BODY OF
IN THIS. AND THEN THE FINAL MAJOR PROVISION HAS TO DO WITH
THAT. PROCESSING.
INVESTIGATING COMPLAINTS ABOUT CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
ARE
CLEAR GOALS.
RIGHT NOW YOU KNOW THOSE
IF THEY MOVE A LOT OF SYSTEM WOULD EVENTUALLY GET TO YOUR
CITY MANAGER OR TO YOUR
COUNTY ATTORNEY.
AND IT'S MARKET IT'S AN AMERICA THAT ARE DUE THE AUTHORITY OF
OUR CITY MANAGERS ARE COUNTY
ATTORNEYS. CERTAINLY NOT THEIR THIS REALLY GOES TO THE NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A COMMON. ♪
SET OF STANDARDS THAT
APPROACHES OF RESPONSES THAT
EXIST IN MINNESOTA RELATIVE
TO COMPLAINTS.
WHICH FRANKLIN THINK WILL BE VERY OFTEN BUT COMPLAINTS THAT
ARE DIRECTED AT THOSE WHO ARE
BECAUSE THE ALSO RESPONSIBILITY
TOO. READ OUR LOCAL PUBLIC
SAFETY SYSTEMS THAT MAKE SURE
THAT THE OTHER NOT ONLY NOT A VIOLATION OF OUR DIRECTIONS
DIRECTIVES RELATIVE TO TRADING. BUT THAT THEY ARE IN FACT THAT
THEY
HAD SEEN. BUT POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND THEN FOR THE VERY RARE IS THIS ISN'T A ♪
TO HAPPEN. MEMBERS.
THERE
ARE STRONG REACTIONS FROM
BROUGHT COMMUNITIES WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION. THERE FOR
TREATMENT.
OF THEM HAVE HEARD IN THE
COMPLAINTS ARE AMERICAN INDIAN TRIBAL COMMUNITIES TO THE A
WHAT THE PERCEIVED AS
UNFAIR TREATMENT. SOME OF THEIR LOCAL SERVICE AND THE QUESTION
THEN BECOMES WHO DO WE TAKE
THAT TOO. IT GETS WHAT STANDARD OK WE ARGUE THAT
IS A STATE.
IT SO THAT 10 YEARS THE
STRENGTH CITIZEN COMMUNITY
TRUST TO ENSURE THAT THOSE CONSISTENT APPLICATION OF THOSE
STATE
BUT WE SEE WHAT ELSE BEFORE YOU
ARE FOR FOR BASICALLY THE
PROCESS. THE SHOW IT WOULD BE
SMART TO PUT YOU TO THE THE
POLL SPORT WOULD RECEIVE
THOSE COMPLAINTS. THROUGH ITS
THE COMMITTEE REFER THOSE TO
THE BCA FOR INVESTIGATION AND FINDING A
THATS RECEIVED SO
WE'RE HAPPY LAW ENFORCEMENT OF PUSHING BILLS ALL A TO B C
BREAK AND THEN BRING IT BACK
TO THEM. FOR A DETERMINATION
OF ACTION FOR REFERRAL TO
EITHER OR ATTORNEY GENERAL OR A
COUNTY ATTORNEY DEE YEAH; A
LEGAL ACTION IS REQUIRED RELATIVE TO THE CONDUCT OF ALL
THE ALL THE
CLEAR WILL AS DETERMINED BY THE FIGHTING THE FACT THAT FROM
THEIR PC THE AND IT'S A THE
THE COMPLAINT INSIDE THE PULSE
SPORT.
IT'S MY CONTENTION THAT
KIND OF USCIS WILL GO A LONG WAY TO INSTILL A STRONGER
CONFIDENCE ON THE PART
OF OUR THE COMMUNITIES ARE
GROWING DIVERSE COMMUNITIES.
THAT AND INTER
WITH THAT. PRODUCE A MUCH MORE HEALTHY OF PUBLIC SAFETY
ENVIRONMENT IN
THE STATE. SO A METAL
CHAIR MEMBERS AND I WANT TO
SHARE BOTH YOU KNOW MY PASSES THE BALL; I'VE BEEN GOING ABOUT
CONSTRUCTING THIS PROPOSAL.
WHAT THE GATES WERE.
GENERAL KHALID BIN GETS
WITH AND. AND THEN JUST A QUICK
DESCRIPTION OF THEM O OH I
PROPOSE REMOVED; WHICH IS A FAR DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE REALLY
YOU GET THE LAST YEAR.
SO WITH THAT A METAL CHAIR; A COACH OR OTHER MEMBER STEPHANIE OUT IS THAT
WISH TO COMMENT. THE
BUILD SITE.
>> THANK YOU ARE OTHER TEST FIRES FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THE SO
PLEASE COME FORWARD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND GO AHEAD WITH YOUR TESTIMONY. THANK YOU VICE
CHAIR.
>> MISTER CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COMING TOWARD US AND WITH THE ONSET COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN ROCHESTER;
MINNESOTA.
CURRENTLY IN MY SECOND TERM AS
SHERIFF AND 40TH YEAR IN LAW ENFORCEMENT ALL HERE IN
MINNESOTA.
I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING ALL
87 SHERIFFS IN THE STATE. AS WELL AS MINNESOTA CHIEFS OF
POLICE ASSOCIATION. CHIEF MATT
GOT CHOPPED WHO WAS A REPRESENTATIVE WITH ME AND WITH THE MINNESOTA CHIEFS
ASSOCIATION COULD NOT BE HERE
TODAY TO ADDRESS YOU WITH THESE
CONCERNS.
I THINK IT I JUST WANT TO START
IN RESPONSE TO
MR. KOZEL IS A THERE'S A LOT OF
ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE BEING
MADE HERE RELATED TO THIS BILL
AND THAT OUR CONCERN IS THAT
WHEN WE THROW A BLANKET OF
CONCERNS OUT OVERALL OUR STATE METRO VERSUS OUT STATE; IT'S
VERY DIFFERENT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW LAW
ENFORCEMENT IS PERFORMING THEIR DUTIES. AND HOW PERCEPTIONS ARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES ACROSS
THE STATE.
OUR ORGANIZATIONS ARE
VERY THING. WELL. THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL'S OFFICE; A DEPARTMENT
OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER THE WORKING GROUP THAT YOU HEARD FROM AND HEARD ABOUT THIS
AFTERNOON.
CHAIR MARY ANN AND JUST
MENTION THAT. YOU SHOULD LOOK
FOR
A MOMENT; THERE WAS AN AHA MOMENT AND WAS IN OUR FIRST
DELIBERATION AFTER FOR SESSION AND THAT AH HA
MOMENT WAS.
VERY CLEAR IN THAT ARE FIRST TO LIBERATION DAY WHICH IS THE
FULL DAY. LAST OCTOBER.
WE LEARNED FROM ALL SIDES WE
TALKED AS LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IT WAS MEMBERS OF
THE COMMUNITY. HE WAS A MEMBER FROM UNAFFECTED FAMILY THAT YOU
HEARD THIS
WAS THE NOT REPRESENTED ON THE THERE WAS AN EFFECTIVE FAMILY
REPRESENTED.
WE LEARNED A LOT THAT FIRST DAY AND WE CONTINUE BURNING FOR THE NEXT 4 MONTHS OF OUR SESSIONS.
OUR UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE MET
AND STARTED THE WORKING
GROUP BEGAN. WAS IT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE MADE WILL BE
BROUGHT TO THE LEGISLATURE. IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR WHICH
THEY DID.
WHEN WE MADE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE ACTION
STEPS.
THAT THEY WOULD BE MADE FROM OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH
CONSENSUS.
RECOMMENDATIONS.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSENSUS; WHAT THAT WE WOULD
ALL AGREE.
THIS SEEM VERY FAIR
AS WE THE CHIEFS THAT
THE SHERIFFS POLICE OFFICERS POLICE AND PEACE OFFICERS
ASSOCIATION AND SO THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. WELCOME
THE IDEA. A GREAT WAY TO GET IN FRONT OF THESE TERRIBLE TRAGEDIES.
THAT HAVE FACED OUR
COMMUNITIES. SUPPORTING OUR
COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS OUR OFFICE YEARS LATER THE MENTAL
HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF ALL COMMUNITY BY COMMUNITY AN
AGENCY BY AGENCY.
JANUARY AND OUR FINAL SESSION
AND FINAL DELIBERATION. WE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT REPRESENTATIVES
ON
THE WORK COOPER TOLD AS WE BEGAN TO QUESTION SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE ACTION
STEPS. WE'RE NOT REPRESENTING.
AND DUE PROCESS TOWARDS OFFICERS BUT
ALSO LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SUPPORT THE ISSUES WERE CHIEFS
AND SHERIFFS FELT. THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS
NOT FIT TO BE AN OFFICER.
BUT I AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
STILL HAVE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS
BUT IF YOU TAKE A NOTE AND READ RECOMMENDATION 4.3 AND I'LL READ IT TO YOU BUT LOOK AT IT AGAIN WHEN YOU HAVE THE TENSE.
THE DEPARTMENT PUBLIC SAFETY AND PEACE UPSTAIRS AND TRAINING
BOARD HOST PORT
SHALL CONVENE FOCUS GROUPS AND
EXPERTS TO DISCUSS STRATEGIES TO INCREASE THE ROLE OF THE
POST COURT
TO APPROVE THE SUSPENDED OR REVOKED OFFICER LICENSES AT THE
CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
REQUEST IN ORDER TO
STRENGTHEN ACCOUNTABILITY. AND TRANSPARENCY OF OFFICERS
WHO VIOLATE STATE STANDARDS. THIS PROPOSAL; IT'S BEFORE YOU.
DOES NOT REPRESENT WHAT RECOMMENDATION 4.3 IS. WE HAVE
NOT HAD.
AND FAIR DISCUSSIONS ON
THESE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH
THIS BILL.
DURING DELIBERATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT ARBITRATION HEARINGS BEING ONE
HURDLE.
ITS CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER RECOMMENDING AN OFFICER
WHO IS FAILED
AGENCY POLICIES AND OR POSSIBLY
LAWS RELATED TO POSTCARD LICENSE REVOCATIONS ALREADY
EXISTED.
THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER TRIES TO DISCIPLINE AND FIRE AN OFFICER BUT THROUGH
ARBITRATION HEARINGS ORDERS. THE OFFICER BACK TO DUTY AND THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FEELS. THE OFFICER
SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
A MEMBER OF THEIR AGENCY OR ANY
LONGER A POLICE OFFICER.
EXAMPLES MIGHT BE.
NUMEROUS THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT COULD FALL INTO THIS BEYOND WHAT THE POSTCARD
ALREADY GUEST LIST.
THERE IS NO DISCUSSION FURTHER ABOUT TAKING EVERY COMPLAINT.
ANOTHER ANOTHER ISSUE THAT
WE HAVE AND THAT WAS JUST MENTION THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT TAKING EVERY COMPLAINT
ABOUT A CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER AND HAVING THE BCA
INVESTIGATE THEM. THAT WAS NOT TALKED ABOUT WAS NOT PART OF ANYTHING THAT WE DID WITH THE
WORKING GROUP.
I WOULD REMIND YOU TO THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICES IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA ARE POLICE
OFFICERS. THEY'RE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD THAT EVERY POLICE
OFFICER HAS. AND CAN BE
INVESTIGATED THE SAME WAY.
POLICE OFFICERS HAVE A BILL
THAT RIGHT AS WELL AND THEY
NEED TO BE DISCUSSED ALONG WITH ANY LEGISLATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS
AND CHANGES.
IT APPEARS CLEAR TO ME THE DISCUSSIONS PREPARED TO 7 OH 9.
WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES DID
NOT INCLUDE OR CONSIDER THE
POLICE DISCIPLINE; US OR
PROCEDURES ACT.
AGAIN THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION TO GO AFTER CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ASKED WHAT THIS PROPOSAL STATES IN THE
WORKING GROUP.
CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE ALREADY
IN PLACE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. THE DISCIPLINE PROCEDURES ACT.
I WOULD ALSO REMIND YOU THAT EVERY 4 YEARS THE SHERIFF IS
REELECTED. IS A COMMUNITY THAT IF A
COMMUNITY DOES
NOT WANT. THE SHERIFF TO CONTINUE IN THAT POSITION MAY HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT THEY
SIMPLY CANNOT ELECT THEM.
EVERY POLICE CHIEF IS OVERSEEN
BY CITY COUNCIL AND IN SOME CASES; A STRONG MAYOR FORM IT.
THAT CAN DISMISS
THE CHIEF FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY
DIRECTOR FOR THE SAME REASONS AS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. NOT AT
THE STATE LEVEL.
THESE CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE
ALREADY IN PLACE.
WHAT WAS AGREED IN WITH WORKING WITH THE WORKING GROUP AND 4.3 WAS THAT
WE WOULD
TALK FURTHER ABOUT THIS WEEK FOR ANY LEGISLATION WAS PUT
FORWARD THAT WE WOULD AGREE TO
IT.
PROBABLY PUBLIC SAFETY IN
THE POST FOR GOOD WORK WITH FOCUS GROUPS TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS THAT'S WHAT IT WAS TALKED ABOUT. YEAH; VERY OPEN
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WITH THE
ENTIRE GROUP DURING OUR
SESSIONS.
THIS PROPOSED BILL WAS NOT
DISCUSSED BY ANY FOCUS GROUP.
WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
COMMUNITY TO WANT TO WORK WITH THE PROCESS IS WORKING TO GET
RECOMMENDATIONS 4.3 STATES. WE ARE PROUD TO
HAVE BEEN ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE
WORKING GROUP ON DEADLY FORCE ENCOUNTERS AND WANT TO CONTINUE
WITH ALL WELL THAT DISCUSSIONS
WITH ALL 28 RECOMMENDATIONS AND
33 ACTION STEPS.
THE CHANGES IN 2; 7; 9 PROPOSE HERE TODAY OR NOT WHAT WAS
AGREED ON.
IN THE IN OUT FROM A SKIP OVER
SOME OF GET TO SOME
QUESTIONS POTENTIALLY. THE LAST
THING I JUST WANTED TO SAY.
AND THEN WE'LL GET THE. THE
OTHER SPEAKERS HERE.
WITH SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE
JUST MADE.
ONE CAN SEE ONE OF THE MOST
CONSISTENT.
DISCUSSIONS WE HAD WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS WHERE IS THE COST GOING TO
COME FROM.
WE HEARD FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES WITH
SMALL AGENCIES TALKING ABOUT BODY CAMERAS THAT THEY THEY
CAN'T AFFORD IT.
THEY JUST CAN'T AFFORD DOING
THAT AND BEFORE
WE MANDATE REQUIRE OFFICERS TO HAVE BODY CAMERAS ACROSS THE STATE WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO
SUPPORT THEM AND FUND IT. THE SAME WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE
ALREADY INTO 7 OH 9. SPECIFICALLY TO THE POST SPORT AND DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC SAFETY.
STARTING IN MARATHON SHERIFF WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN
HEAR FROM YET THE OTHER
THANK YOU. >> AND THE LAST THING THAT WAS THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP WAS
THAT PUBLISHING. POLICE OFFICER
NAMES MAKING THAT KNOWN.
IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS NOW INTO THAT OFFICER BUT TO THEIR FAMILIES. THEY LIVE ON THE
THREATS EVERY DAY.
THEY WORRY ABOUT THAT EVERY
DAY.
PUTTING FORWARD BILLS OR PROCESSES THAT
WILL IDENTIFY THESE OFFICERS
AND PUT THEM IN JEOPARDY.
THAT LEGISLATION.
>> THANK YOU SHERIFF THANK IT'S THE NEXT BEST FIRE PITS STATE;
YOUR NAME. >> BRIAN PETERS ON THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
MINNESOTA POLICE AND PEACE
OFFICERS ASSOCIATION; VERY GOOD GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THE COMMITTEE A PROMISE YOU MY REMARKS ARE GOING TO BE BRIEF.
I TOO WAS A MEMBER OF THE
WORKING GROUP SAT IN THESE DELIBERATIONS CAME UP
WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER. I SAID I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE REMARKS MADE BY SHERIFFED OR
CONSENT.
COMMISSIONER HARRINGTON SAID
TODAY THIS SHOULD BE THE BEGINNING THIS IS THE BEGINNING
TO START THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WHAT WAS FRUSTRATING IS BEFORE
EVEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS HEAD
COME OUT THERE IS ALREADY DRAFT LEGISLATION. THAT SOLIS SPOKE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH
WAS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING.
INSTEAD OF NOW WORKING TOGETHER
I FIND MYSELF OPPOSING
THESE BILLS. AND I'M HERE BECAUSE WE WOULD RATHER WORK
TOGETHER. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M
HERE TO SAY THANK YOU.
>> DID TO START JUST JUST FOR A
SECOND BEFORE MISTER SMALL I
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS BILL
ACTUALLY CAME UP LAST YEAR
BEFORE THE RECOMMENDATIONS CAME OUT; SO I JUST WE WE DID HEAR A VERSION OF THE BILL LAST YEAR
SO TERRA
MARIANA JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT YEAH; I'M JESSICA
COMMENT AS A
AS A. >> GERRY ADAMS STATED THIS WHAT
YOU SAW BEFORE YOU WAS A VERY
DIFFERENT BILL AND HIM AND I
HAD CONVERSATIONS AND THERE WAS IN THE PREVIOUS BILL LANGUAGE
AND I KNOW THAT HE DID TAKE THAT OUT. BUT THIS IS NOT THE
ONLY BILL THAT EXISTS
THAT TALKS AND TAKES LANGUAGE OUT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE
EVEN MADE.
>> MADAM MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS
ME MY NAME IS ROBERT SMALL ON THE EXACT DIRECTOR THAT MINNESOTA COUNTY ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION. AND I'M HERE
THIS EVENING TO TESTIFY IN
OPPOSITION TO PORTIONS OF THE
BILL THE AMENDMENT THAT
ENTER TODAY
AND SPECIFICALLY OUR OPPOSITION
IS 2 LINES 1.9 1 POINT
17 THROUGH 1.2 0.
EARLIER TODAY YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC
SAFETY AS HE OUTLINED THE
REPORT FROM THE
WORKING GROUP. INCLUDED IN THAT
REPORT IS RECOMMENDATION
3.2. AT PAGE 9 AND THAT
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE MINNESOTA COUNTY ATTORNEYS
ASSOCIATION SHOULD CONTINUE
WORKING TOGETHER TO DISCUSS AND DEVELOP IDEAS ON
HOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE CAN BE SUPPORTIVE AND
ENGAGED AROUND DEADLY FORCE
ENCOUNTERS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT
THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S SPECIFICALLY THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL AND
HIS STAFF HAVE A VERY GOOD AND
A VERY STRONG RELATIONSHIP. AND WE DO
NOT WANT PORTIONS OF THIS BILL TO ADVERSELY AFFECT THAT
RELATIONSHIP.
WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR BILL.
THAT I READ FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS WE'VE SEEN MANY VERSIONS
OF IT BEFORE.
BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE
SEEN THIS BILL THIS AFTERNOON WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL.
WITHOUT
THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL AND HIS STAFF
TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE UP BILITY TO CONTINUE TO
WORK TOGETHER.
IS GOING TO IN MY VIEW ADVERSELY AFFECT THAT
RELATIONSHIP.
SECONDLY AS YOU KNOW MINNESOTA
STATUTE; 8 POINT
OH ONE; THE DRESSES TO
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL IN CRIMINAL CASES.
SIGNIFICANTLY IT PROVIDES THAT
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FEES
ARE THE ONES WHO INITIATE THE REQUEST TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
FOR ASSISTANCE.
SPECIFICALLY UPON REQUEST TO
THE
COUNTY ATTORNEY PURDY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHALL APPEAR
IN COURT IN SUCH CRIMINAL CASES
AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DEEMS OR AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY.
WE OPPOSE LINE 1.9 WHICH AMENDS
THIS RELATIONSHIP. AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO HAVE EXCLUSIVE BUT
ALREADY IN ALL CASES IN
WHICH THE.
>> O SPORT IN WHICH THE POST BOARD. >> BESIDES THAT THERE IS NO
DESIGNATED COUNTY ATTORNEY.
SO THE POST BOARD IS DECIDING THAT THERE IS NO DESIGNATED
COUNTY ATTORNEY AND IF THERE IS
NO DESIGNATED COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL KICKS
IN BECAUSE ON THE LINE. ONE
0.9. IT EXCLUDES OUT THE REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY.
WE WELCOME CONVERSATIONS WITH
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THOSE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY. WE DON'T WANT TO BE HAMPERED IN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ITS BILL FOR THOSE REASONS
THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION OPPOSES THE CONTENT OF THIS BILL AS IT'S WRITTEN
THANK YOU MISTER SMALL.
>> CHAIR MARY ON THE I 20 MITCH WE HAVE BEFORE WE GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS JUST A CHANCE IF YOU'D LIKE TO RESPOND
TO.
>> YES; I WOULD PICK TO OVER 2
VERY
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE SAME BILL WELL UH IT'S I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT MY BILL.
AND LET ME MAKE IT A REAL PUT
UP A VERY CONCISE A.
>> RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO NONE KNOW.
>> THE STATE STANDARD POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS; IT'S THE BULK OF THIS BILL CALLS FOR
THAT.
IT CALLS FOR THE POST FOR QUITE
FRANKLY TO EXERCISE THE
AUTHORITY THERE HAS
TO ESTABLISH RULES THROUGH ITS ROBOT AUTHORITY GUIDELINES FOR
POLICE
COMMUNITY RELATIONS. QUITE FRANKLY MEMBERS I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS NOT THE BEAT UP ON THE
POLLS FOR. OR OR OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER
WHERE YOU'RE AT IT
POSSIBLY A WALLS THAT MODERNIZE
CIRCUIT LIVERY ASSISTANCE.
THE GOVERNMENT THE QUITE I'M FRANKLY SHOCKED THAT AFTER
ALL THESE YEARS THERE ARE NO GOD LOVE IT'S ESTABLISHED FOR
POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS WHERE N.
>> REAMS AND REAMS AND
REAMS OF. >> RESEARCH AND EVAN FACT
PRECISELY FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT
SECTOR SPEAKS TO
THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING ROBUST
POLICE
COMMERCIAL INSURANCE. PRACTICES
POLICIES TRAININGS ENGAGEMENT
ET CETERA.
AND SOME PERHAPS NOMINATE HER MEMBERS TO SOME DEGREE ALL OF
US INCLUDING US HERE AT THE THE
WITH THE STABLE ARE TO SOME YOU
KNOW VICTIMIZE THEM.
THE INTERACTION OF THE PAST
FULL SUPPORT A RELATIVE TO THIS ISSUE. IT IS CERTAINLY BY
HOLD EVEN THE MERE DISCUSSION
OF THIS THAT
THIS COULD IT WILL THAT BORE TO
BE THAT
IMPORTANT DUTY.
>> WELL IT'S REALLY TO REITERATE WHAT THIS LAW DOES
THAT IT'S
BOTH AND IT'S TO US THAT
DOESN'T EVEN A PRESCRIBED.
WHAT THAT IS IS
TO ASK A LAW ENFORCEMENT OF THE OTHER POLLS FOR TO COME UP WITH
THOSE STATE STANDARDS. JUST THE THOUGHT OF QUICK SMALL POINT THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS
BILL.
THE AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH
THE SHERIFF UH HUH THERE THERE
IS
NOTHING THIS BILL THAT WILL
LIST THE NAME IN THE PRIVATE THE INFORMATION. POLICE
OFFICERS WERE WHAT WORKING WITH THE CONSTRUCTS GRIEVANCES.
CONVEY TO COLLECT
AND THAT ADDING TO IT ISSUES THAT I THINK ALL OF US FRANKLY
OUGHT TO
THE GREEN WHICH IS WHAT IT COMES TO ISSUES OF SEXUAL
HARASSMENT FOR US.
THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE A
COLLECTION OF DATA RELATED TO POLICE MISCONDUCT. IN IN THAT
AREA.
AND
AND I GET IT; I MEAN WE'VE BEEN
MOVING LEGISLATION.
THIS WILL BE THE LAST YEAR WE'RE CONSTANTLY ADJUSTING THIS
BILL AS WE WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH A NUMBER OF
LAW ENFORCEMENT WE HAVE A.
IT ALL THE INDIVIDUALS HERE
ANOTHER THAT THEY REPRESENT AND
OTHERS. CONSULAR MY
BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW
THAT MY BRINGING THIS WERE
THIS TOO HAVE A VERY STRONG
EXPECTATION OF THE 5 OF THE LEGISLATURE. THEY LOOKED UP TO WHAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT
STANDARDS FOR US TO SEE
THAT PLAYED OUT IN
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TO DO WITH CONSTANT COMMUNICATIONS.
WELL BOTH WITH
LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE ARE THESE UH HUH BUT ALSO THAT THE
GENERAL PUBLIC AND I
SO IT'S BRINGS UP SOME REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WE
SHOULD
NOT A WHAT THE TICK LATELY PARTICULARLY THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE
COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID. AND THE
ATTORNEY GEN
I AM WILLING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE AND HAVE
A NEED SO THE B. IF A WE ARE CREATING
SOME KIND OF TERRIBLE.
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNTY TURNS INTO A CERTAINLY WILLING TO BACK OFF OF THAT THAT WE PUT
THE CONTINUE. BUT THIS
DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW DO WE
THOSE RARE A; BUT
PARTICULARLY EGREGIOUS POSSIBILITIES WITH YOU HAVE A
CLEAR ROLE.
YOU KNOW FACING WILL PUT A
STRONG SUBSTANTIATED A COMPLETE CHARGE. IT GOES TO THE ISSUE OF
WHETHER OR NOT. THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE TRUST THAT
OUR BELOVED
STATE GOVERNMENT TO MONITOR WATER OURSELVES. THE FACT THAT WE WERE HURT SOME OF THE
TESTIMONY.
THIS MORNING. I DIDN'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THIS MORNING BUT IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME
THAT THERE'S A
STUNT PERCEPTION. THE MANY
PEOPLE THAT A STATE ITS LOCAL
ACTIVITIES; SORRY PEOPLE.
REGULATING HOLDING THEM SAYS
ONE ANOTHER I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE BUT I DO THINK
THAT WE HAVE TO THE AT THE PEOPLE WHO
READ A SIGN OF HOW WE DO THAT SO THAT ARE THOSE ARE MY
COMMENTS FROM.
>> I'M ALL RIGHT SO MEMBERS WE
HAVE FLASH REPRESENTATIVE
LAST REPRESENTATIVE NASH FOR
PERCENT OF DEAN OF REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON OF THE LESSER REPRESENT A FLASH THANK
YOU; I'M NOT SURE
AND I'M. >> SHE MAY I HAVE ONE QUESTION
DID YOU READ THE AGEE'S RIP.
>> PORT YOU WROTE THE BILL.
>> THAT CHAIR OR SO LESTER WROTE THE BILL BEFORE THE AGENT
REPORT IT WAS
PROVIDE IT. WE'VE BEEN
WORKING ON. THIS A ROCK CONCERT
WELL FOR WELL OVER A YEAR.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE REPORT WAS RELEASED THE FULL JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO OF THE BILL WAS.
THIS THIS VERSION OF THIS LIGHT
WHICH WAS TRAPPED. WELL BEFORE
THAT OKAY; THANK
>> REPRESENTATIVE MASH.
>> CHAIRMAN IT TO YOU SAID THAT
YOU'RE HOPING THAT THIS.
THIS BILL WILL CREATE SOME AHA MOMENTS TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE
WE'RE CREATING
SOME GOTCHA I CAN'T SUPPORT
THIS AND I WOULD ASK
IF A THE CHIEF WHAT
WOULD A TELL ME I'M READING THE BILL IT SAYS THAT THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIER FOR A PEACE OFFICER
PENDING CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS
THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIER HOW DO
YOU
UNIQUELY IDENTIFY THE MEMBERS OF A YOUR STAFF AND YOUR
OFFICERS. WELL I
THINK IT'S THANK YOU FOR THE
>> IT'S PRETTY COMMON KNOWLEDGE. EACH OFFICER; EACH
DEPUTIES; 2 PER HAS ATTACHED BUT THROUGH THE POST WORK WE
ALL HAVE A LICENSING NUMBER ONE
SPORT NUMBER. ENOUGH THAT WOULD
BE IF YOU KNOW THEM THIS BILL
IS STATES THAT TALKS ABOUT THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIER RELATED TO
THE PRO SPORT. MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING THEY GO TOWARDS WOULD BE USING
OUR FULL SUPPORT NUMBERS; THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE THAT'S NOT A
PROBLEM SO MUCH IN A LOT THE AGENCY SAINT PAUL MINNEAPOLIS;
MAYBE
THE STATE THERE FOR A SMALL AGENCY A SMALL COUNTY A SMALL POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE
CHIEF UN. 5 OR 6 PART TIME
DEPUTIES
OR OFFICERS. WHEN IT'S PUBLISHED THAT KITTSON COUNTY
BADGE OR
IDENTIFIER NUMBER 1;
3; 5; 7; AND THERE'S ONLY 5 OTHER PEOPLE THAT USE IT'S
GOING IDENTIFY
THOSE OFFICERS AND SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
>> AND GET THIS SHERIFF MARIAN
EU
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS
ACTUALLY THIS ONE 2ND THAT
CHAIR; I JUST IF COUNCIL COULD ASK THEIR COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS ARE A BADGE NUMBER REQUIRED OR A NAME MS. THAT IS
THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU I WOULD
MISS TO GIVE UP. MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS.
>> NO THAT'S NOT SPECIFIED IN THE BILL THAT
WOULD BE IDENTIFIED INTENT.
