So we're having this interview because we're interested in building a model
about giving to charity and trying to determine what are the factors that influence people who give to charity and
that's why we invited you. So I will just quickly introduce myself. My name is Charles de Leau.
I'm part of the group project from KE to built this machine learning algorithm and the
Those are my fellows, companion standing over there.
Maybe also you want to introduce yourself..
OK, so I'm Wanyi
I am from..
I am currently running Effective Altruism
This Singapore chaplain in Singapore.
We are group of people who care about being more evident-based in our approach toward doing good.
Motivated by trying to create a greater impact to the world.
It's very varied in interests and causes
uh, but personally I care a lot about global poverty as an issue
Yeah, and maybe also good to mentions that we we've met before.
I've been to one of the EA meetings and I send her a note.
So very nice for you to come here and
Let start up with a broad, very broad question
So in your personal being what do you think are the main motivators for people currently, to give to charity.
Why, I actually prepared so
I just read off yeah
Sometimes, I think they don't necessarily have to advertise which is
Emotional media by templating yourself images
Okay very nice
So let me just take one out and then dive a little deeper on that subject so you mentioned social desirability right so
So this is influencers around me
Who are the people think do you think that influence you pose like parents or friends? I guess
people that like
People that country
The relationship is beneficial to ask to independently work
Play
Against them
Sometimes, it's you what about right or wrong, but that
Society tends to have a narrative going on so that is the pizza dropped on
July 3 and
We have like I need like personal experiences with people because they're friends
So in terms of time appears, but it's like an extension of trust
All right, and do you think that's that this changes over age? No, that's when you're young maybe you're more
Likely to be influenced by your peers and when you're older then or the other way around when you're young your importance by your parents
And
Pretend that you're happy to be able to defer to the night secrets, so I guess that effect background as well
So I'm not sure I don't think I would Jack a light right yeah
And
The dress is also something that you you mentioned right. It's important that people trust the charities that they gave me I
Think I trust the people
There's really not much of the way that we can decide whether to trust attorney or not then
I do around yeah, so I think in charity if you're certain
It doesn't matter that they might be
Thanks jester you're going to try to come to a scandal makes our venue of the life
nothing that is going to change that I think that's a little rational may be subjective whether a
Chinese student not all or has integrity not or effective organization very supportive
Okay, that's interesting because
You're saying that there's no rational way just to say about Charities effective or not
Also just you made that in a sense
there's no practical way of like for a normal being like me why I get ups you know do all the
Way to the right
So so where to get the duck from this is that it's very important to
Know if it's let's say for instance. I want to give it rise to
A person where which charity he wants to give it's very important for me to know
because
Also
Like we have a couple of variables we thought of ourselves also right a couple of
things that influenced you
For how are likely it is that you give to charity so for instance like gender?
Do you think that there's a big difference there?
The person who is giving like this
Yeah, so many players like a Luger
a benefits but
Also, good for us right now. I mean we were looking at the models. I know which to implement the wit so if you think
Thanks
But still continuing on this December graphic variables because there are
One one of these we cannot is it's like religion. I mean a lot of charities. There's a religious base
Let's ask a question. Do you think that this motivates people to give?
When I you exactly
Missing for example a fusion of charities before
That donations
- even have food sugar juice
Right on so I do live in a bubble
Forefinger village in sleeping. I think the village in hazard got to play out a person's life
Just so many other things so I do realize that most of the world religion
And depending on religion religious background, I think people actually would form a
Station, I just find a temple
So let me get into the low-income because that's also interesting no income you say like okay people have less
I don't have a lot of money, but they still give which is
very special but
I can't generalize. I think that one thing that struck me though
It's not always a thing that strikes me more some just trying to do not claim oh
Yeah, that's okay. That's okay. I mean it's like I said right
It's about your yeah, okay, so it stands out to me that
My perception is that people might have so little support that it include is enough time to mark
Something but I didn't find that they share a lot on
Wednesday because really neighbors needing help or
Relatives for
Example they don't have a lot, but they
Give us not just the carry opportunity home
So it's always it's often about other people's lives right. It's not charity that Thanksgiving to family, but it's
I think for someone who experience
I think I can't imagine my life. What - just for other people without really having a spell on
My own, so that's what it strikes me that on all the time people actually they
Are very much more generality the way that able to share, but that's well
It could be other forms of material resources brands down
and get in the thing is violence the close of resent like you have so much today, so
high income people might be
about giving
Right I'm super violent
because
the perception of relative
How relative around is how much we really all then we have is our own
Okay, so image dot select local charities
like a
princess you said like
For first Isis I can still give the middle
I have to like a local initiative
And we also thought about this like should we incorporate this in our model, right?
There will be impact so the they're giving us like stuff like that if you have an extra fifty right here
in kind donations
Exactly yeah, that's the professional term
So is this something that
You think that lower-income people do more relatively because you know they don't have the money, so
Relatively me that a larger portion of their giving is in these kind of things right?
So
It's really more of like the idea of what we have things that we wanted people wait
It's a concept that people feel like I am done with the couch wagon it's a waste to zero
or like oh, I think you don't want to get away -
Yeah, we'll do a desk or chair
So, it's maybe it's not so related to the other
Jojo I'm not trying to get into the nitty-gritty details of our model, but we could like Francis say oh, okay?
If you don't want to give to charity to these charities
Maybe you have some stuff. You don't need and that would be like a second question all the way down, right
It's not a family to remember right giving things
If they look at charity foundation they have really reports, and we didn't really write
to talk
Country and I've been going to the report, but I remember that we talked actually that keeps the most
Let me make it guess maybe Sweden or something like that
Which is very and I actually have a bunch real report, and I might be a remembering wrongly, so it's better you guys check
But I think it's me amount of funny videos on all right, so
It's I think it's measured in terms of monetary tipple right and I'm just about you coming. I heard other people talk about it
I'm contradictions their own country
Because goes even further it in one hand side. There is an alias
On it great and the best of the country and like works 30% of Spontini children
running and see how I'm
living
And again, I know the methodology for it
but that's an example of where our question might come in kind and
Jobs like
Francis do you think that certain jobs again like the type of job that you have does that influence what type of charity you get
Yeah
I don't really know if my colleagues actually do more then
people in other sector
It's not so much about it like that. I'm they get but more about diet right so would
Would it be like reasonable to assume that people that work for instance in the social sector?
Also donate more money to charities the focus on
I don't interact with people from the car itself the workers
Yeah
Just to get into that
what kind of people would that be let's get you chased away by guilt-ridden are they are these kind of people like a
bunch of guides for instance
I have lips not know how to preserve that information
so it immediately
Apps are important to you that we are empowering how to engage
They just get defensive
Or the people that you're mixing them to oblige
People actually kind of no issue
In my slide to engage
Yeah
Or they actually tipping, I think it's more about
It's also so much about on this one interpersonal
Interaction so it could be
The torn that the person who is trying to encourage the big
Takes, so they're just I I wouldn't attribute to
Yeah, sorry, so I was incorrect with you all right
a sense that they that's a waste of money is the
Monica charity
Sometimes people would think that
People associate see over here ratio to the beneficiary
Intrusion observe donations, yes, it's a way of saying whether charities without that yeah, that's super simplistic
And it's more reflective of whether charity actually effective or not
but people tend to
Have this in mind that the iteration should be as low as possible
Right, so, I'm a sense of the money being wasted
This one and of course if the charity
Has really got very?
Has bad Christ in the past
One mistake, it's just scarred for life charity
What the journey does change of Mitch?
I think people are very unforgiving very much and a charity
But we don't question whether there are 100 charities out there that we don't know about that. I actually very effective for
right
Yeah, that goes into
I think that our feeling that would give us coming a difference the issues in steerage
If you like that giving is just a drop in the bucket so
They probably don't like everybody do okay
Say
16,000 children die every day from
Preventable treatable causes right when a topic of that I don't get any reaction
I
don't know maybe they're just processing it, but I
found that I've been very effective in computable to
Give more when I use this method. It's so huge if we can do more
Collectively we can create a change. Where as them if they adopt a child type of
Or like someone tells you that you can top a child walk
For $10 a month that type of a thing and save a child's life
People seem to feel more empowered whether or not, it's finished case without it's entirely after them
Measure so the sense of how huge the issue is
And whether they feel connected to the potential beneficiaries?
Because I background or by society or standards whatsoever
Whatever ways we can think of cautiously he wants to feel like try it
I think people actually get to do you were not based on it stands up to I wish I
I'm nothing attractive stand but
wave for gender or age
Background
Region that I think it's it's too far away, yeah
Well that's what I can think of is
To pretend they feel that potential beneficiaries might not actually need help
So it's just a fling it could be totally baked goods
totally
verified
They can stand on the streets and and we try to get so many fun people
Then they can work
Why should we give them right, but that's such gave us implicit assumptions about people's lives
I mean very
superficial judgment
that I think we have
That sometimes we put this our educator exactly
So there do more like many motivations. I want to discuss before heading over to another don't make way to store their attic promise
and
The one thing is stacks like is that also do you think people take into consideration that they can deduct money?
Perhaps I'm actually
Also curious about that because in Singapore
My awareness day that probably somewhere else
Adoration, but also probably the kids that probably is nowhere else that has actually she talked about to do that Singapore right I think we
Actually have for those texts ducked about donations up to
250%
Text benefits
My understanding of days that advise you
$1,000 to a charity two thousand five hundred dollars in my income personal text
that's my understanding on technology and
So a Singapore
supports
way of having such a tech benefit system probably has a rationale and the
types of
Charities that they allow to have text benefits has its ration as well he has to benefit local
Beneficiaries local food. I don't I've never heard of an
International charity being able to enjoy texts that benefit even if they have an office basis
So I think there might be
there might be
Something over there with some text that has to do with debate team donations or not Baretta
Again I'm not so sure because
if we looked at donations that are text adaptable versus non text adaptable I
Don't yeah sure the speaker is but in 2015
condition of Gerry's report
Text adaptable donations was about 1.3 billion dollars. Um if we could add the types of donations and government grants
What I read was about
Thirteen or fourteen billion dollars to ten times so I have no idea what it means
Donations, that's ten times the size and whatever also
I have no idea what to charities or what the methods are slavemaster donation or not?
But we can also put it in comparison with crowdfunding
Websites the I'm pretty sure they have almost no
tax benefits at all
For example gift or Asia or
Give me that a she needed that platform
They probably have tax benefits for some charities for any local charities
But if we want to understand my text as a factor. I think it's good to compare
Different sauces software how much is different to see like?
How much do people care about I think that it's probably too?
simple wealthy people
Thank you yeah skews in Singapore they think there. There is a
Department currently
It's a company yet their staff to volunteer for certain number of hours can be converted to
taxpayers unlike people yeah
And it's actually the mention that we
Haven't really covered like whether you are a company or a person. That's trying to donate. That's also realized another difference here
It's very much. All right
There was another one. Yeah the the
Fame of the charity is like if there's a famous charity does it
You kind of mentioned it before also like people are very much. We think people know that's not
That's question the whole question. Do you think that this influence also people if they know it well, it's
spoken by the media
Yeah, I think that there's no boy like that
Especially if you're keeping season you thinking which kid right?
Or. It's more like just really set up charity to - yeah
And say
That TV programs that want to do a charity gala. Yeah. How do you pick the tray cool such?
Driven you out to be
Yeah
Can you could carry?
Things that come up over set up have been around longer and have more
Yeah, they they have got
More facility open yet, so
it tends to be the
My experience will say corporate donors or donors
Or
organisation is whatever types of organizations, but
how could find charities it support it tends to be asked around they don't go goat for life a
Thousand charities a few about basic criteria right it's really just on the top you that comes to mind right we know
scary yeah might not be
sometimes
Effectiveness myself well that's a clipped bridge to like our models because like we died
We're trying to build a model that that will send people hopefully in their in the right direction
I'll be careful thought what's right. Yeah
Let's say, let's say we'll send them in their direction that based on the parameters that we collect
Sounds reasonable
given to their their
It would stick it, right
Jesus, it's very value later, right
Me I'm trying to be effective in terms of mine a dollar impact. I'm not that rational person
I do know I talked with like 70% of my doback
I would do rationally to where I think would make the greatest food that based on evidence the other thing you 20%
I would probably be joined by my god that this is actually where I think I'm not that irrational to not care about
impact
It's just I don't I might not fully use mind of keeping to
Only high-impact learners yeah, so again, it's my values
a long-term impact only groups, yeah
Issues that are related to right
That I care more about them someone who cares about enzyme you just take my strip so or I care more about
being no boy you call res my friends and I care about being more vocal and
Rebased so it's so hot just to help with
with with the to
charities to recommend people
I've been interested to hear but yeah, three yeah
Follow one one of the things would definitely be like the values you talk about gravity people select ok a cleric
I only care about children
then we can definitely make a selection of
This like the most simple simplistic form of selection, but something like that
And that's also like there was also a question that we have like what would be like a good focus
Forum over like we can also do it only about the noble
Charity or we can do it about international
Charities around the world
What do you think gets the most yeah
What's the best you gives us the best opportunity to build a mountain like this because you like the charity Asian a check if it
Just just cause just as despots
Personally, I think I do see its national charities because I care a lot about impact
and
I think that
Limits to how much more marginal impact to recommend a charity in Singapore
Jericho's astray to be that if they get they other places
but
their
Data are going to be availability wise
if you wanted more fusible or have
To suffer before right though. I was not sure how much data within hair
There's very little impact evaluation, right
Objective comparable ones
But if you want besides charity
not beneficiaries of it serve for
an estimate of the number
Beneficiaries that we serve you might be able to capture more data in fact be able to have
They are playing around just to actually give us
All right
Well, I'm also looking at my boobs that many burning questions that I did not ask there are a few I guess
Because I we did not cover everything
Well let's just also go by our like what we need by that it's the video is so it's nice
So do we need any more information guys do you think it's a small question yeah, what's like
And you asked me meaningful way you specify the chair, right?
And I didn't understand the last question oh
I'll just read off. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so meaningful way
It's not exhaustive. I can think of the tax beneficiary whether charity serves a house illegally children use
People with mental health issues animals are fun, so type
Beneficiary
For rent it could be at a to be graduation program are they doing like?
Bringing kids out are they like
doing
Services helping out the clean home use food delivery so the types of programs. It's for Adam's, right
causes
Like is it impacting education
agenda
sources
And traffic origins its lit tithing
Or like
Country as well
Is it impacting areas rural areas?
the charities by budget by stop streams
Local charity international
Yeah, it was
So so with your
With your own collection of data that you started with the data kind
Guys are they also looking at these kind of things or are you category yeah?
At this point I'm just scraping
We have got a good categorization. It's actually they've been able to pull out the names
the location
Contacts website and description right so we are hoping to be able to tag
Within the descriptions or the name of charities the category use of the charities. Yeah, some kind. I'm so
My project. It's mainly meaning to understand what types of programs
Do they work on to be able to identify data, which one?
The last question that I sent you was we created from the mala looks like
And so in that question yeah, there was another question. It's more like that. I think that you think like okay
This would be really helpful like if they have them like a a I
Steer people and such in such a way like for instance
I know about your goals and I left this question purpose on the end because we don't know if we can
I know about your course and that's why I met of course, but do we?
Is there a way our model can steer people do more rational charities, yeah
But they don't seem to have it ready do that
For me my value orientation is impact
It tends to be at this point very basic, it's very healthy so have these metrics
So if there is something that can help people?
Identify
If I can explain it properly
Let me try
So what I was
The very very most ambitious level of things you know what would be helpful for to flow in terms of giving
right the one formed way is perhaps and
visualize next visualization of this
With a bit of achievement from future
where the issues are
Supposed right where the resources are are around if there is actually this type of math
Utilization I wonder would people actually change that they will behavior to try to address whether it is amendments hour
And example so when I think about rodeo and Facebook
People who might play that old wife I've been there I've heard about the genocide
I want to do something wrong right or people pneumonia
They probably would just hit too young read Phnom Penh, and then ask around
to a search it tend to be
accessible to tourists areas and then they the give the time by voluntary want to get some money, but if we look at
Overall in Cambodia where the difference level of poverty?
impact
shipping people
They probably are in the most rural areas would buy again into hospitals like five hours away a four hours away
Maternal mortality might be high
So that's this this idea of what?
Database something to it is the potential to try to inform the people said
Wait a minute. I'm just adding money to where it's really very saturated
any
Mind with time to volunteer to work with secretaries actually in best quality management is so costing tiny
And is not very useful and some self very sustainable impact
So if there is something like this perhaps some philanthropists
Maiella check that you've been a bit more away
All of us and published my own shoes to do that there are programs in a different way
The very complicated part is how do we quantify what keeps their?
Matching to what our resources there are and how to capture the resources
That's actually going to
There needs to be a marketplace but back before
Probably it's Robin's eyes people can input it over quickly
So generally you can have a good estimate estimate of where
the resources are really going to
Be able to tell like how much time difference and then there are
So there's actually a very very very Chasse. I'm not trying to be a bit now
But I pitch to everyone who has to do this who might want to it
What I'm doing now, just like any fire. You potentially good tell charities in the region um
so yeah having that I actually a lot of ways out that I might have asked too much of the nearby volunteers cuz I
Don't think that we actually need that he chose to charity
But with that bigger list then can filter out there ones that we think of our high impact time
and target in the quad area
So also in the future, maybe this can be others to attack me to for for such a tough project
It's good to share with anymore
