One thing I have noticed is that
Yes, there's a lot of interracial
marriages and couples, but I have noticed that once Brazil black Brazilians in particular get any kind of money
I mean is I'm not even talking about filthy rich. I'm just talking about maybe just like a, you know a nice job that
you won't lose, you know some education. I
found that many of them were both men and women tend to marry white.
Can you explain this to us?
Yeah tend to marry white is a Brazilian thing because of the whole idea that was implemented in our ideas in
the beginning of the 20th century.
Okay, so it's not just because of the money you will see these relations happening also in our lower
group. So you're gonna if you go to the favelas, you're gonna see that happen. You're gonna see it all over.
The point is because the very white people are not marrying into the. They do not marry black people at all at all.
The very white Brazilians, they're very segregated as segregated as
Mississippi in 1965
They are the the very white. So the white people
in Brazil, we divide them academically in three categories. The very white people
the white people and
the
read as white people. Like in Brazil Jewish people are white, Turkish people are white.
Japanese people are white. Ah. Okay, cool. Okay be socially wise socially white.
Okay, okay, three categories and the categories and the poor whites the poor whites
the ones we live in a ghettos with the black brazilians
they are the ones who actually
can be racist and marry a black person.
This happens in Brazil. You know, a white
a white poor person marries a black person and says, I love you
but I don't love what you are. I love the kid that was gonna come out of you. That's gonna be beautiful.
And then we erase the whole idea that this kid is black as well. Mmm
So people when when they're actually in these
interracial families
nobody is
is kind of
consciously talking about blackness or saying that they are black. No.  They're just they're just repeating the mistakes
because it was in schools if you read books from
1917 to 1945, it was in the book. I
gotta find this book.  I can show you that later.
I can show you it out later and everything is based in the picture that I wanted to put here.
This picture is called the
"Redemption of Ham."
Cam was one of the kids of Noah and he saw his father naked and
that's how they justified that the black race
was
cursed.  The Christians they
justify racism throughout the years through the curse
that is based basically on the Bible.
This was shown this picture that you see right now is from
1895. It was painted by Modesto Broncos in the in the moment in Brazil that we we were talking about
eugenics, the eugenics politics. The eugenics politics was pretty much the one who showed that yes
we need to whiten the population because black people are less
intelligent less civilized. And this picture shows the Grandma. You see the Grandma
raising the hands to the Lord
thanking God that her daughter was a mixed girl married a
white sailor that came in this new idea of whitening the country and they have white kid
very white kid that is in this tiny hands just blessing the grandma if you look in the picture. And
she's thanking God that the curse was broken. That picture was shown in 1895
and also in this Congress I told you that happened in London. They showed that picture? Brazil showed that picture to
introduce to Europeans what was his idea to having a more civilized country after
slavery. We're gonna whiten the country and
this idea is
ingrained also in black Brazilians as well.
Yeah
Do you think that?  So this is actually one of the things that I that kind of hurts me the most because
you know, I've always been brought up to be proud of my blackness. I would like to date a black man in Brazil.
Do you think this will change in some way is this? I mean do you think. It's changing?
It is just changing. As I told you you're seeing the revolution. It's very nice that you're here right now that you're showing Americans reality about
what's going on. Listening to us?
Talking to us because she's really actually
She's in all events that you can ever imagine. I'm always there. She's gonna write a book when she leaves. I sure am!
What happened? Because she's part of the revolution as well. A revolution is happening here. A revolution is happening here and people
are talking about it. We're changing this.
Although I don't think the revolution would start only in the religious part some people believe
everything needs to be in the religion, and I don't think so. I think it's gonna be more about education
about consciousness about understanding who you are
Of course
we will pass through a process of understanding a new way to see your own religion or adapting yourself to a new
religion or going back to the African religion. Whichever you choose. I think I'm fine with that.
But most of all I think we need to understand who we are,
where we come from and where we're going.
