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### Divine Truth

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### Jesus (AJ Miller)

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### Session 2

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### This ebook is a collection of answers given by Jesus (AJ Miller) on the topic of God's Truth (Divine Truth). The answers were given in an interview with Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck), who posed frequently asked questions from members of the media and public, on 28th August 2013 in Wilkesdale, Queensland, Australia. In this session Mary questions Jesus about providing more detail about some of the specific "qualities" or "attributes" of God's Truth, and how the examination of these qualities can be applied practically in our personal daily lives. The first seven qualities that Jesus mentioned in the last question of the first session on the subject are discussed in far more detail in this session. Jesus has much more to say about the subject, but is here providing an introduction to each "quality" or "attribute".

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Table of Contents

0. Introductory comments

1. Quality number one: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth is infinite"?

2. Regarding quality one, what does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth is infinite" look like in my personal life?

3. Quality number two: What do you mean when you say that "Divine Truth is of itself, a thing apart, and admits no variations or modifications"?

4. Regarding quality two: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth is of itself, a thing apart, and admits no variations or modifications" look like in my personal life?

5. Quality number three: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth and Love are always in perfect harmony, and without Truth, Love cannot be complete"?

6. Regarding quality three: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth and Love are always in perfect harmony, and without Truth, Love cannot be complete" What does that understanding look like in my personal life?

7. Quality four: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth does not and cannot compromise, even for the sake of peace"?

8. Quality four: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth does not and cannot compromise, even for the sake of peace" look like in my personal life?

9. Quality five: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth itself, with all the power and knowledge that it has as its foundation, will not compel a man to accept it against his will"?

10. Quality five: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth itself, with all the power and knowledge that it has as its foundation, will not compel a man to accept it against his will" look like in my personal life?

11. Quality six: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth will never and can never accommodate itself to the beliefs of men"?

12. Quality six: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth will never and can never accommodate itself to the beliefs of men" look like in my personal life?

13. Quality seven: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth results in freedom"?

14. Quality seven: What does a soul-based understanding that "Divine Truth results in freedom" look like in my personal life?

0. Introductory comments

Welcome to the frequently asked questions channel again. This time we're doing session two of the questions relating to Divine Truth. My recommendation if you're watching this particular video and have not watched the introduction session, the session one to Divine Truth questions, then I suggest you do that now before you proceed with these questions.

These questions are going to surround the subjects that we raised in the first session regarding what are the attributes and qualities of Divine Truth. The reason why we're doing that is because the attributes and qualities of Divine Truth are very defined and, if we can define the attributes and qualities of Divine Truth, it's very easy then to apply these attributes and qualities to things that we hear of in life to determine whether the thing that we're hearing is Divine Truth or not. So it's my recommendation that we'll go through these attributes and qualities.

We're going to discuss them from two perspectives today, aren't we? The first perspective is: What is the attribute or quality relating to the specific quality of Divine Truth? And then the second part of the question for each attribute and quality is: How does that look in our day-to-day life? What does it look like; if we understand this at the soul level, what does that attribute and quality cause us to do? So that's our focus today.

Today we'll be looking at the first seven qualities and attributes and in another session we'll be looking at the next seven attributes and qualities. Of course the attributes and qualities are not exhaustive and so we need to understand that these attributes and qualities are specifically what we've created to help you define what God's Truth is, but they're not exhaustive in their nature; in other words, they'll be other attributes and qualities that we can discuss at a later point in time. But these we feel are the fourteen most important attributes and qualities that we'll be listing, seven of which we'll cover today.

What did you want to say, darling?

**Mary:** I just wanted to remind everyone that it's not an exhaustive, definitive list of qualities of God's Truth.

And in fact it's impossible to provide a definitive list of the qualities of God's Truth when God's Truth is infinite in its nature; so that makes sense. But these fourteen qualities will help people greatly determine whether what's coming to them, from whatever source, is part of God's Truth or just a part of a person's personal opinion or what people on the whole Earth believe, but is really just an opinion and not actually truth.

So that's our purpose today, so we'll get started with our questions one by one. Thanks for your time listening today and I'm sure you'll enjoy the questions.

1. Quality number one: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth is infinite"?

Well since God is infinite and since it makes sense that the Universe potentially has a potential for infinite growth, we can logically assume that Divine Truth itself, in other words all of God's Truth, is infinite in its nature. In other words, we will never find out everything that God has done.

In fact it's interesting because some holy books on the planet actually say that; for example the Bible in Ecclesiastics says that you will never find out everything that God has done, no matter how long you live and no matter how long you investigate truth, you'll never find out everything. And that is a quality of Divine Truth and it's logical - if you think about it - to assume that this is the case.

That being the case, no finite thing can contain something that's infinite and that means that things like the Bible and other holy books such as the Quran, do not contain the full amount of God's Truth; it is impossible for them to contain such. So this quality means that it's impossible for us to contain an infinite amount of Divine Truth in a finite system. And we, humankind, create finite systems, so when we write a book it has a start and an end, and it might have a few thousand pages in between, but sooner or later it gets too big for us to manage generally, and so we finalise the book and have a finite system.

But God's Truth is infinite, so there's no way logically that an infinite truth can fit into a finite system. The only way in fact that truth can fit into us is by our soul growing towards the infinite. And the only way our soul can grow towards the infinite is by our absorption of Divine Love and that causes our soul to grow infinitely beyond its original capacity. And that then allows that particular soul, who has chosen to grow with Divine Love, to start absorbing more and more of the infinite truth.

So really in the end the only book or word of God that will be contained on the planet will be the word as written in those people who receive Divine Love to the point where they've grown beyond the normal capacity of a human to absorb it. And that's the only way that we can become the Word of God.

**Mary:** So just to clarify, you're saying that God's Truth is infinite in its nature and so it can never be contained in a finite thing like a book. And you're saying that we ourselves have the potential to grow infinitely?

Towards the infinite, of course we'll never become God because God by definition is probably also continuously expanding. We don't know that of course because it's hard for the creation to know what created it, right down to the infinite detail, but we do know that we grow beyond our original human capacity if we receive Divine Love, which is from the infinite source. So as long as we do that, we have the capacity to receive more and more Divine Truth; we have the capacity to understand more and more of it. But we will never know it all, ever.

That is the quality of Divine Truth; you are never going to know it all. So give up the whole concept of trying to know if all, and also stop listening to anybody who tells you they know it all, because they don't! (Laughs)

**Mary:** Sure, great, thank you.

2. Regarding quality one, what does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth is infinite" look like in my personal life?

Yes, now these are very important questions to ask because it's one thing to say, "Look, God's Truth is infinite", it's quite another thing then to understand how or what affect that has on your day-to-day life and day-to-day existence.

Firstly, if I truly felt that God's Truth was infinite, I would never feel that a book contains all of God's Truth; so I would never say such things as, "The Bible is the only Word of God" or "The Quran is the only Word of God"; I would never say such things - if I truly understood in my heart that God's Truth is infinite.

Secondly, I wouldn't have this constant frustration about not knowing everything.

**Mary:** And in fact I'd never think that I would know everything, would I?

Exactly, and in fact I wouldn't expect myself to know everything even; I would have some love for myself for the fact that I'm a finite being created by God with the capacity for growth, only be receiving God's Love. But as a finite being, at any single point in time I have a finite understanding of anything at any point in time and instead of punishing myself for that or, if I'm focussing on other people, blaming them for not knowing everything, instead of wanting a person who knows everything, I'll give up all of those things if I understood this in my soul.

**Mary:** Because I'd know that's not even possible.

I'd know it's not possible. So what's the point in trying to blame somebody that they didn't know everything, and what's the point of trying to feel that you should know everything? You shouldn't know everything, you're not God, and you're not going to know everything. You will approach more and more knowledge if you develop this relationship with God, but if you are truly connected to this quality of truth, which is that God's Truth is infinite, you would know for certain that there's no need for you to know everything, and also that you're never going to know everything; that there's no book that knows everything and there's no person who knows everything and nobody that you meet now or in the future is going to know everything, and so you wouldn't expect them to. You wouldn't have an emotional projection of anger or rage at them because they didn't know anything, you wouldn't feel frustration with them because they didn't know everything.

You would treat life as a learning experience; you would relax with the learning experience because you wouldn't expect yourself or other people to know everything because you know that God's Truth is infinite, and when this truth is in your soul you then do not expect everybody around you to work against that truth. You know that everyone around you is going to have to conform to that single truth and for that reason it's a very good truth to know.

It also relaxes you with regard to your interpersonal relationships, if you feel this in your heart, because if somebody has a different opinion to you, you don't automatically say, "Well just because The Bible says this, that means you're wrong." You don't say things like that when you know this is your heart, what you say is, okay, I don't know everything, the person I'm talking to doesn't know everything, only God knows everything, so perhaps I need to listen to this for a bit, just to determine whether it's something that I know for certain is not true or is true, through experience and scientific and mathematical evidence, and through experience of life that it is finishing up to be something that turns out to be true. Or maybe there's an element of truth in it. Or maybe there's no truth in it at all; it's just a personal opinion. But you wouldn't be dogmatic about those particular things unless you knew for certain and only would know for certain through the proof that you have available with you, and not through the so-called proof that's in a book because the book doesn't contain proof - it is just the writings of individuals who have written down information and it doesn't contain everything; so it doesn't contain all the truth that you could potentially learn.

So in your interpersonal relationships if you understand this principle that Divine Truth is infinite, you wouldn't be trying to force everybody to know everything, you wouldn't be trying to force your opinion on everyone because you would have this underlying feeling that, maybe my opinion might have to change in the future and if I've forced it on people - and if you look historically at what's happened, we've forced it on people through violence – you wouldn't even do that because you know God's Truth is infinite and you don't necessarily know it all, so why would you then force it upon someone else when you potentially might be wrong. You wouldn't do that; you would just present it and let people make up their own mind.

**Mary:** Yes, okay and you said this very nice thing a couple of times about relaxing about your progress. And be fair to say, wouldn't it, within that you're saying we're relaxing with the idea that we're eternally progressing, that we're always going to grow to be looking at discovering new truth, finding new things.

And becoming more loving. If God's Truth is infinite it makes sense also that God's Love is infinite. And if God's Love and Truth are infinite and I can receive love and I can receive truth then it means that I will learn more and more of the infinite truth and have more and more of the infinite love if I choose to do things God's Way. But I can never say that I know everything; I will never be able to say that I'm as loving as God is, never.

**Mary:** So can we perfect our love without knowing all truth?

Certainly you can perfect your love from God's perspective, but you can receive more and more love. So a lot of people on this Earth have this idea of perfection which is, when you're perfect you know everything, you're loving with everything, you understand everything – but this is not perfection from God's perspective. Perfection from God's perspective is understanding that you are a student of God, a child of God, continuously growing towards God and getting to the point where that understanding is so absorbed within you that you're at-one with God in the way that you grow; and you're at-one with God in the way that you love. So your love now is the same way that God loves but lower in capacity; so in other words God has this infinite capacity to love, you even if you're at-one with God, will have a finite capacity to love but the way in which you love will be perfected.

**Mary:** So in harmony with the way God loves.

It will be in harmony with the way God loves but it won't be to the same extent God loves because that would be infinite and we're not capable as a finite being to have an infinite expression of love or truth.

So again it gets down to this quality of Divine Truth that it's infinite telling us so many things and the reason why we've listed it first is because it actually should cause us to pause in so many ways before we start attacking other people, blaming other people, abusing other people, being violent towards other people. All of those things would stop if we knew that God's Truth was infinite and I'm just a work in progress.

**Mary:** Yes. So in that can we really know anything for sure ever, is that what you're saying?

No I'm not saying that. We will know many things for sure, but we will not know everything for sure because only God knows everything for sure. But as we progress towards God we get to have some truth and that truth, when it does come to us is a surety, it is certain, it is fact, it is absolute – but we don't know all of it, we don't know all what we will learn in the future in that place, we only know the truth to that point. And this is part of the quality of Divine Truth.

**Mary:** Okay, so can we talk then a little bit about the ways that we will act when we have this soul-based understanding that Divine Truth is infinite. And something that I've written here is that, "You will not resist new emotional experiences or the Law of Attraction triggering error within yourself" or for me, I won't do that.

Exactly, so one of the things we understand when we understand that God's Truth is infinite, is we understand that we are a work in progress: that means emotionally, and our character is a work in progress. Now for our character to change and become more God-like we're going to have to release error and releasing of error can only occur if we understand how the human soul function, which is another set of FAQs. We understand that the only way we can release error is not by trying to overcome it with intellectual truth, but rather by the releasing of emotions that cause the blockage of the absorption of truth.

Now, we wouldn't then avoid that process, if we understood that God's Truth was infinite. We'd go, "Okay, if God's Truth is infinite, I'm faced with a future life of infinite growth. That means infinite change. That means that at some point I'm going to have to give up my feelings that are out of harmony with God's Truth and Love. At some point I'm going to have to experience them to release them and so if I understand this fully, I wouldn't avoid the experience, I would enjoy the experience because I know every time I am experiencing something I am releasing something and therefore getting closer to God's Truth on that particular subject."

**Mary:** And I think that's a really beautiful place that we can reach where we realise, "Wow this is an infinite process and if I can welcome what's coming to me I'll just keep growing eternally." I see a lot of people perhaps have a goal in mind like I want to be clear of this thing or I want to get better at that thing.

Well not only have they become goal oriented because they believe that God's Truth is finite, they believe that when they become at-one with God they'll know everything, which is not true. You can become at-one with God and not know hardly anything actually; you will know how to love and you'll know a lot, but you'll not know hardly anything in comparison to what God knows. But also they do it because they want there to be an end goal, they want to be able to rest on their laurels as the saying goes, "I've achieved this". There is also a lot of competition in the human race where I want to get there before you do and all those kind of emotions: none of those emotions would be present actually, if we understood at the soul level that God's Truth is infinite.

**Mary:** Yes and we wouldn't feel like, "Oh, when I get to this point then I'll be happy and done". We'll feel like, "Oh then I'll be happier, but there'll be more happiness and more love and more truth that I can achieve because God's created me that way". And this is where I feel there's this potential for relaxing into this process rather than feeling pressured or driven.

Yes I feel there's a difference between driven and pressure as well. To have a strong desire to be closer to God and have a desire to be more loving and have a desire to act in harmony with the laws of the Universe; they are all beautiful desires and I personally feel quite driven to obtain them; but I don't feel pressured by anybody to obtain them. Mind you, a lot of people try to put pressure on me to obtain them, but I don't feel pressured from God's perspective to obtain them. I know that God's always there helping me to get closer to God and helping me to become happier, helping me to become more loving, helping me to absorb more truth, as long as I'm open to the infinite process, the process of allowing myself to change.

And what I see people, who don't understand that God's Truth is infinite, doing a lot is they try to become a person that they imagine God wants them to be, but God wants you to infinitely grow so you're never going to become a person that actually God wants you to be in a real sense, because God wants you to grow infinitely, keep receiving more love, keep receiving more truth, keep receiving more love, more truth, more love, more truth. That's going to mean that tomorrow you're going to be different than you were today and you've got to be ready for that. And you've got to want that actually - if you really want to progress towards God and if you understood this quality in the soul you would know that.

**Mary:** Yes, beautiful. Alright, how about this idea of not avoiding the process of emotional confrontation?

Yes, so if God's Truth is infinite and I therefore must change infinitely so grow towards God, this means that there's something inside of me that's going to have to stretch. I'm going to have to stretch and be drawn out of where my current position is and a lot of times here on Earth we feel quite safe in our current position, for a lot of fear-based reasons. So what we do is resist the change, we love to resist change in fact, even if the change is good.

Now a person who understands that God's Truth is infinite would never resist change, they would always want to be changing, they would always want to be growing - they'd want it. They wouldn't just go, "I don't want to do that you know because oh, I'm happy where I am." They wouldn't ever do that if they understood this quality in their soul. But we see a lot of people who listen to Divine Truth who do that, so that means that this quality - this understanding of this quality - is not yet in their soul, it's just an intellectual concept to them.

**Mary:** And often we see people modifying their life to avoid emotional confrontation or emotions in general. So creating a lifestyle where there is no confrontation of fear or anger or things that are already residing within them. Really one of the beautiful things about this soul knowledge I think is that you no longer feel that way because you know, "Hey, it's in me and this is an infinite process I'm in so I can engage it now or later but it's going to have to happen at some point".

If I want to be closer to God and if I want to be happier and if I want to be more loving and if I want to know more things, I'm going to have to engage the process at some point. Now a lot of people might sit there and say, "Well I don't know if I want to be more loving and I don't know if I want to have more truth and I don't know if I want to become more loving." Well that's okay, God also is happy with that too, but all of God's Laws in that place are going to be confronting that particular stagnant condition, so you're not going to have a happy life choosing that particular thing. As a result of the choice to avoid you're going to attract many different negative things.

So I suggest to people well it's far better to understand God's Truth is infinite, enjoy the road and have a strong desire to learn more and more of it every day. In fact my personal feelings are why not put that as your highest priority every day? Because it would make sense if it's going to make you happier, more loving, closer to God, closer to yourself, closer to your soulmate and have a much more joyful life then why would you avoid it? It's only because you don't love yourself very much that you would avoid it.

**Mary:** Absolutely. Okay, something else here: if we understood it well we would follow our desires without allowing fear of the possible consequences to limit us.

Yes. So one of the problems that we see happening quite frequently is that people are constantly wanting the truth to be fixed. The reason why they want the truth to be fixed is they think that if they can set their desire to a fixed truth then they only need to achieve that and then they can relax and everything can be fine after that.

A person who's truly understanding in their soul that God's Truth is infinite, understands that their own desires could also potentially grow infinitely and therefore would not be afraid to express their desires, even if their desires are out of harmony with truth because they know that God's Truth will correct it. They know that through the experience that truth will always come to them and they'll be corrected if they engage their desires inappropriately or out of harmony with love. So they wouldn't be sitting there, not doing anything and using as an excuse, "I'm not doing anything because I might hurt from doing it."

**Mary:** Yes. "I might personally feel pain."

"I might personally hurt, I might personally have pain", because they realise that no, every time I experience pain, it's just because I haven't absorbed another truth and if God's Truth is infinite, there's a lot of truth that I need to absorb.

So that means that initially there's going to be some pain, and once I become at-one with God in love, the pain will be gone of course. So the pain is only the result of the error that exists within me that's emotional in its nature - that's the only reason why the pain exists. And if I understand that God's Truth is infinite, and some other of the qualities, I'll understand that pain is only going to be present while I'm out of harmony with that love that comes from God; not out of harmony with truth because even when I become at-one with God, I'll still be out of harmony with all of God's Truth. So it's all about the love or the lack of it that causes the pain.

**Mary:** Yes. So basically we're painting a picture when we have this soul-based quality within us, of a life where we are embracing change, we're not manufacturing our lifestyle to be comfortable, we're actually saying, "Okay, this is an infinite process I'm engaged in, there's no end point really, so I'm going to just engage with every situation, allow confrontation to happen, because I understand that it's going to have to happen continually actually, as truth confronts the error inside of me.

And remember that this is only happening until we're at-one with love. So it's the love, or the lack of it that causes our pain, not the lack of truth and this is I feel a very important thing that people need to understand. It's the lack of love or the past experience of the lack of love in our life that causes our pain. It's not the lack of truth in our life that causes pain because at all points of time pain is caused through only the lack of experience of love. So you can be in total disharmony with truth but be in a loving environment surrounding you and being in harmony with love yourself, and therefore everything would be happy, you'd have no pain.

**Mary:** How can I be in harmony with love if I don't have any truth?

Well eventually you have to bring yourself in harmony with truth as well obviously, and this is another quality. Remember all of these qualities are not one or the other. So what we're doing here is discussing one facet of one quality and what I'm saying with this facet of this quality is that we are allowed to be out of harmony with truth as long as we're loving; God's Laws all work this way, they allow us to be out of harmony with truth.

So we can become at-one with God in love and still be out of harmony with truth, with all the truths of the Universe - not all of them obviously - we could be out of harmony with many. We're going to be out of harmony with a large variety of truths in the Universe, not all of them because we'll have already brought ourselves into harmony with the truths that need to be taught to become at-one with God in love.

So we need to draw the definition of and the distinction that we need to have truth to become more loving, but there is a point once we become at-one with God in love and we've absorbed the truth that allows us to get to that point. From that point on there will be no pain because from that point on we still will be out of harmony with all universal truth, or most of it, because universal truth is infinite. So God allows us to be out of harmony with truth but the universal laws do not allow us to be out of harmony with love, and we need to draw that distinction.

**Mary:** Sure. And you're also saying that the truth that exposes the error creates pain because it's exposing the truth that we have not been in a situation where love was present.

Yes, basically I'm saying that it's not the truth that creates the pain, it's the error that resided within that we thought was true - that the betrayal of that - that creates the pain. So the pain is actually created by the error based position, not by the truth position, and the error based position was caused by an unloving event.

In other words, we can have an error inside of us that wasn't caused by any event that was unloving, it was just something that we thought. We will have no pain getting rid of it, once we see the truth. The only errors that will have pain in getting rid of will be the ones that had an emotional signature associated with a lack of love. These are the ones that are going to cause pain. So we need to understand that pain might be a process but it's only a finite process until we become at-one with God in love, then from that moment on, being at-one with God in love there is no error within us from a point of view of truth that will be painful to release, because we're at-one in love.

3. Quality number two: What do you mean when you say that "Divine Truth is of itself, a thing apart, and admits no variations or modifications"?

Yes, this is a very important thing about Divine Truth and one of its qualities: it doesn't allow people to modify it or change it - it is existing whether we know it or not.

So if I can give perhaps an example. The Law of Gravity existed before humanity discovered it, and continued to exist after humanity discovered it. Humanity discovered it through a gradual process, and particularly in modern times when I'm talking about the last four or five hundred years; we discovered it through a process of experimentation. We then, through the measurement of different instruments and so forth, had the capacity to measure it even, from a mathematical perspective; but once we discovered it, it didn't change, it still stayed the same, it was still the same law that governed its operation.

And this is one of the qualities of Divine Truth; just because we haven't discovered something yet it doesn't mean that the truth doesn't exists; it still exists even though God may be the only one who knows it and as such, we can't expect to have our own opinions about it. Sooner or later our opinions will have to change to suit whatever God's Truth is about the particular thing we're trying to discover.

So for example, mankind comes up with all these theories about what causes cancer, but God knows the absolute truth about what causes cancer. Sooner or later all of us on Earth are going to have to come to terms with what God's Truth is about what causes cancer and not have our own theories about it.

**Mary:** The way God has designed the Universe is we won't eradicate cancer unless we deal with the causes.

Exactly, until we find out God's Truth we can't eradicate it. This is what I find quite interesting about this quality - until we discover what God's Truth is about any subject, we will not be able to fully understand what's going on with any subject. This is a very important part of Divine Truth - that it doesn't conform itself to human perception or opinion or human reality. It is the reality from God's perspective. Humans of course can create their own realities, their own ideas, and just because everybody on the planet agrees with something, it doesn't mean it's true from God's perspective.

**Mary:** So if we contrast that to our personal truth.

As we've contrasted in our first session, with personal truth basically we can have as many opinions as we want and get away with it. We're allowed to take on any opinion we want when it feels good. But that's not the case with God's Truth.

**Mary:** So our personal truth is changeable and God's Truth is unchangeable.

Unchangeable. And it's unchangeable whether we've discovered it or not, it's immaterial to God whether we've discovered it or not in fact.

**Mary:** Whether we're aware of it, whether we know it, whether we have an inkling of it - it doesn't matter.

It's still the same truth, it still exists; it's still the same truth. It exists whether science has discovered it, whether mathematics understands it. It's still mathematical and scientific - but we might not have discovered the science or the maths that would explain it yet. But in the end we will - we will discover any of the truths that are out there, particularly truths in the physical Universe and the spirit Universes. They'll all be discovered sooner or later through a process, but this process will not involve us negotiating with God saying, "I think it's my idea." (Laughs) In the end it will be, "Okay, I give up my idea and I accept that this is the truth of it".

It's interesting that I see people doing this in a physical way a lot. So when it comes to the discovery of physical truth we're prepared to give up the idea that our opinion really matters, but it's interesting that when it comes to emotional and spiritual and other types of truths, which are all still a part of God's Truths, we don't feel that our personal opinion doesn't matter anymore. In fact we hold on for dear life with our personal opinion generally, and that is a primary problem with regard to this particular fact. When we do that we are not understanding at all that God's Truth knows of no variations or modifications, no matter what you do you're not going to change it. You've only got the ability to discover it or not, that's your choice.

**Mary:** And within that as well is the idea or the truth that it's existed \- really what you're saying, isn't it - it doesn't get updated. It's existed before we knew it, it'll exist after we know it.

It doesn't change because we've discovered it and it still exists before we discovered it.

**Mary:** It's very beautiful thing about God's Truth, isn't it?

It is, and one of the things that is beautiful about that of course is that it means that God's not changing the Universe constantly and changing all the truth on a daily basis and so we're left in total confusion. When certain things are engaged in a certain way, we always get the same results. That's the beautiful thing about this immovable aspect of God's Truth; when God's Truth is opposed it has a certain result, and when it is employed it has a different result, and it's consistent every time. It's just like the Law of Gravity, it is consistent every time, and until we discover a higher law which can overcome it, like the Law of Aerodynamics, the Law of Gravity will work consistently every time. We can send people to the moon understanding that law, because it's consistent every time.

That's what's lovely about God's Truth; it's very different to a human parent, isn't it? A human parent says one thing one day; the next day says another thing, depending on the circumstances and situation. This is one reason in fact why most people don't understand that God's Truths are fixed and immoveable. They think that God is like a human parent and so they think that God's going to change his mind tomorrow, and that's not the case at all. It's always going to be fixed and immoveable and it's a loving thing that it is because it allows us to discover it. And once we've discovered it we know it for certain; that's a beautiful part of this fixed and immoveable quality of God's Truth.

So this quality number two, very important to understand as well, from a soul-based perspective.

4. Regarding quality two: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth is of itself, a thing apart, and admits no variations or modifications" look like in my personal life?

Well there's quite a lot of ways I feel it would affect our personal life if we really believed this particular quality and understood it in our heart. The key is understanding in our heart not understanding in our head. But if we understood it in our feelings, we wouldn't firstly try to negotiate with God about truth, we would understand that God's Truths are fixed, doesn't matter how long in the past, how long in the future, they're still going to be fixed. There's nothing we can do to change them, we only have a choice: the choice is discover it or don't discover it, that's our choice. We don't have a third choice and that is change it, we don't have that choice. I feel quite frequently mankind wants to have the third choice of course. We want to change what universally happens, rather than actually discover what universally happens and why.

Mary: I can see that on a macro level and a micro level, in that a lot of us globally - really there's a consensus that we would like to be able to keep taking from the Earth all of its natural resources and polluting it and feel that the Earth's going to be okay.

Everything will be alright.

**Mary:** And God's Truth is no, you're creating damage and there are consequences and you can't avoid that even if there is consensus on the planet about something, if God's Truth is different to that then ...

We're going to create a mess, because we can't avoid it. God's Laws are attempting to correct that perspective.

**Mary:** And on a micro level if you like, in one person's private life, I see how a lot of us ... there might be something from our past that happened, that we haven't dealt with, we harmed someone, we did something that we even know as not morally right and yet a lot of us try to make excuses for ourselves, put off dealing with that for years and years, decades, but God's Truth is that it did happen and we can't change that.

There are only a few ways we can make it go away, and even those engage different Laws of God as well, so you can't make it go away just by hoping it will go away. That doesn't work because everyone who tries that, it never works. So these are all part of understanding that God's Truth is immoveable; you either conform to it or you understand it, or you don't discover it or don't conform to it, that's your choice. But at the end of the day if you don't conform to it or you don't discover it through ignorance, then there will be less happiness in your life, and if you conform to it because you want to, there will be more happiness in your life. And that is a fixed and immoveable result of God's Truth being fixed and immoveable.

**Mary:** Okay, some other things you've listed here. When we have a soul-based understanding of this truth we don't complain that God's Laws feel harsh and uncompromising.

Yes see I suppose what a lot of people on Earth believe is that if a law is fixed and immoveable that it means there's no compassion, and the reason why is that most people want to negotiate with law.

So they might be driving and speeding and the law of the land is a hundred and ten kilometres an hour along this freeway or highway, that is the extent of your speed limit, and you do a hundred and thirty. Then you get picked up by a person who's trying to enforce the law and you try to negotiate with him, you know, "I was in a hurry" or this, or that, or whatever. Then you go to court and you try to negotiate with them.

In that place we don't understand that while we might be able to negotiate ourselves out of the results of mankind's law, we will never be able to negotiate ourselves out of the results of God's Law, and that's a loving thing actually. The reason why it's a loving thing is it means that the law is applied consistently to every person without consideration of their background, of their marital status, of their sexual orientation, of their cultural background, of their gender background or anything other thing. It is fixed and applied consistently every time; whether you agree with it or not it's going to be fixed and applied constantly every time.

**Mary:** And God has done that in order to show us how to love, to teach us about love.

Yes to teach us about love in a lot of ways, in the sense that love would never want me to have a different result to you; love wouldn't love two people in a different way. If you truly love you don't feel like one person is more important than the other or less important than the other, you honour that both are equal in God's eyes and need to be equal in your own. These are qualities that are exposed through these laws that are unable to be modified. So this is a very important thing to understand - the importance of the fact that God has provided consistent truth, consistent laws. God is a consistent parent, not a parent who modifies things based on personal opinion or personal feelings - and God's personal feelings are consistent, unlike most people's personal feelings on Earth and particularly unlike most parents on Earth's feelings towards their children. God's Laws, structure, truth are always consistent.

**Mary:** And I suppose that's what you're really saying about having a soul-based understanding of each of these qualities aren't you; that when we have a soul-based understanding of them we recognise the function and the love within each of these truths.

We also put that into our personal practice in our day-to-day life. In others words when we interact with other people, we don't make agreements with them that we try to renege from or that we try to get out of. If we've made an agreement with a person and the agreement has been formulated and firmed up, then even if it's painful for you to follow through with it then because you need to honour this consistent part of God's Law, you would want to follow through with it.

The only time you wouldn't be able is if it was physically impossible for you. So in other words, you wouldn't try to negotiate your way out of it, you wouldn't try to go to court to get out of it, you would want to do it and you'd only not do it when it's physically impossible to do it, or when perhaps the other person was lenient and decided, "Well I can give you a break". You would only do it under those circumstances, when love was present, and you'd realise this is a factor of love as well this truth. So there are lots of ways that this particular quality, quality number two, would affect you in your day-to-day life.

**Mary:** Alright, just two final things then to clarify, to ask you, you've written two statements here and I'd like to ask you how they relate to this quality. So you're saying when we have a soul-based understanding that Divine Truth admits no variations or modifications, then we feel that when we're in pain it's because of our own emotional error, and we feel that God's Universe is loving and pain is the result of disharmony with that loving truth. So do you want to expand on that in any way?

Certainly, I think it's fairly self-explanatory, but because God's Laws are fixed and God's Truths are fixed, it makes sense that every single truth or every single law is going to have this quality that when we break it, it's going to have one kind of effect, and when we live in harmony with it it's going to have another kind of effect.

So when we break it, it's going to have an effect that's painful, and when we live in harmony with it it's going to have an effect that is pleasurable, and that applies to other people who break it around us as well. So if you break a law that affects me, I'm going to also feel some pain as well as you. This should help you understand the importance of change and not wanting to break the law because it's affecting me as well as yourself.

Now if I was truly understanding that God's Laws are fixed and immoveable, I wouldn't be trying to always get away with breaking the law and breaking the truth - I would want to discover it, I would want to know it, I wouldn't be trying to avoid it through ignorance, because I know that ignorance is dangerous.

If you think about life here on Earth, many people think ignorance is bliss but the reality is in God's Universe, ignorance is dangerous. This is why children are often placed in danger because they don't know - their ignorance causes them to not know things and as a parent it's important that we instruct them about certain things. So they climb up on top of the roof and try to jump off, they don't know the first time they try to do that, if they ever attempt it, that that's pretty dangerous. There's a chance that you're going to hit the ground at some speed and potentially break bits or even die, that's the danger. Now the first time they do that or even if they do that in a micro, in this small level, just fall off a step they realise, "Wow, you fall down. It's dangerous." They get that feeling because God's Laws are consistent about it we know that feeling's going to be present. And as a child they then learn through this experience that every time they are ignorant of a law, it creates more danger in their life, not less.

This is what we need to understand as adults is that every time we are ignorant of God's Truth and we choose to be ignorant of God's Truth, God's Truth doesn't know any modification, it's still going to operate the same way as it always has. That means that if we're ignorant of it and in particular purposely trying to be ignorant of it, then we are going to find ourselves with quite a lot of pain and suffering in our lives because we're choosing to live in a dangerous situation.

Now when you get to know God's Laws, they all feel really beautiful and you understand them and there's no danger. So because God's Law knows no modifications and is consistent always, once you discover them there is this beauty that results in your life, safety that results in your life. Most people presently on the Earth are so afraid of a lack of safety - well if you want to be safe, know all of God's Laws; find out as many of them as you can.

**Mary:** Because they are so loving; they actually ensure our safety when we comply.

Exactly. So we start to see them, we start to see God's Truths, and remember laws are just God's Truths, like the Law of Gravity is just the truth about gravity, the Law of Aerodynamics is just the truth about aerodynamics. So if we look at spiritual laws, the Law of Attraction is just the truth about how our soul attracts things and the Law of Cause and Effect is the truth about the relationship about something that happens and the fact that it had a cause. There are all these laws that we have that are all just really truths. That's all they are; they are a framework that our soul can exist within.

Now we can choose to ignore them all if we want, but they don't know any modification, they're going to operate whether we choose to ignore them or we choose to discover them. Now it would be better to discover them than it would be to ignore them from a personal perspective, and also from a global perspective, and that's why I feel it's such an important quality to understand.

5. Quality number three: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth and Love are always in perfect harmony, and without Truth, Love cannot be complete"?

And you could also say: without love, truth cannot be complete as well. But this is something about love and truth that we need to understand - is that truth supports love, it doesn't pull apart love, it doesn't degrade love; it actually improves it. And if we have love, if we look at things from a point of view of love, we will always discover more Divine Truth, more of God's Truth, because every one of God's Truths have inbuilt in them perfect love; perfected love exists within every one of God's Truths.

So if we look at the truths about gravity, there is love in that truth about gravity and there are all sorts of reasons for that gravity to exist, that actually cause the harmonious operation of our own life and the existence of all sorts of organisms that are in the gravitational field. It actually allows love to exist and this is a beautiful thing about God's Truth, Divine Truth, is that it always is in perfect harmony with love.

So every single thing that we ever discover - physically, emotionally, spiritually, soul-based, all of these laws that exist and there's a hierarchy of them as well, all of these laws that exist which are all truths - exist in a framework of love. In fact if there is a postulation by a person on Earth, an idea or a concept of a person on Earth that there is a law that's out of harmony with love, you can pretty much immediately dismiss it as a possibility because all of God's Universal Laws, all of God's Universal Truths, are completely in harmony with love itself. This relationship between love and truth is such an important thing to understand.

**Mary:** And love from God cannot actually flow unless truth is present in that instant.

Yes, if we look at the growth of the human soul, which is one of - what I feel is of primary concern - how the human soul functions. The reality is that we cannot grow towards the infinite without receiving Divine Love. However, Divine Love being received is going to be dependent on our willingness to accept the truth about how it's received.

Now most people don't believe that. Most people believe that love can be given without understanding anything else, and that's not true actually. True, pure love is dependent upon the openness to receiving truth - universal, God's Truth. It's this openness to receiving truth that will help us understand and actually help us absorb love. If we wish to reject the truth that the love is exposing, then we will not receive more love. It's impossible to receive more love unless we accept the truth that the love that we've already received has exposed.

This is why I feel most people have a short period of time where they receive Divine Love and then they stop, because they're unwilling to be humble to the fact that they have not yet absorbed the truth that the love is telling them they need to accept.

So if I can maybe, give some examples in the question that follows, but it's important to understand that this is a quality of Divine Truth, that there is this direct association between God's Love and God's Truth. One can't be had without accepting some of the other and so it's very important and powerful to know.

**Mary:** To say that again, you can't receive God's Truth unless you're open to God's Love. And you can't receive God's Love unless you're open to God's Truth. And the two are in harmony with each other always.

Always. So if we look at the first scenario where we can't receive God's Love unless we're open to truth. If you're not open to the truth that God exists, if you're not even potentially open to that truth; in other words you're not at least saying, "Perhaps God exists", you will never ask for love from God, that's reality. You will never receive it as a result and so you will never grow as a result.

Now let's say you are open to the potential of that as a truth and you decide to ask for God's Love and so you do, and so you receive some. Now along with that love will come some truths packeted with it that you have the choice to receive or not. If you choose to not receive it you will block yourself to receiving further love, so you'll be asking God to receive love and God's going, "No, no, no, you haven't accepted the truth about the love I've already given you; the love I've already given you tells you that you need to love your brother and your sister the same and yet you don't - you love women more than you love men - that's out of harmony with the love I've given you already. You need to address that truth and then you may receive some more love."

God is always trying to indicate to us where these issues are, because the Law of Attraction and the Laws of Cause and Effect are laws that have been created by God to expose to you where you have not received the truth. So there are truths about those laws, because remember every law is just a truth about what we attract, in the case of a Law of Attraction, or what we cause, in the case of the Law of Cause and Effect, what are the causes; every single one of those laws is a truth. And if you don't accept them then you're going to stagnate in your ability to receive more love, which will expose more truth!

It's like a growing process, and I sort of liken it to going to school in some ways. You can't grab a child who's five years old, who's never been to school and never been educated at all by its parents and place it in university and expect it to understand anything. It may not even understand the language that's being used, even though it's the same language it's grown up with in the first five years, because of the different acronyms and other things that may be associated with the university degree.

So what it has to do is go through a process of growth where it receives some truth, it understands more things, it receives some more truth and it uses the truth that it's used as a foundation. It receives more and the foundation becomes larger and then a construction basically happens inside the individual where they are capable of receiving more. That's how God is working with us every single time. There are certain truths that we will not be able to ever accept unless we accept truth prior to it. And there's a certain amount of love that we'll not be able to ever accept unless we act in harmony with the truth prior to it. So this is something we need to understand, this harmonious balance between love and truth.

**Mary:** Yes, very beautiful and understanding this truth gives us a lot of things to work with, doesn't it? "Oh, I'm not receiving love, well love's in harmony with truth, what's the truth I'm ignoring here?"

Exactly, but also it helps us go, "Okay, let's look at these universal things I'm trying to discover." Whenever it's out of harmony with love, and if I can detect any disharmony with love in what is happening, then I know that my concept of what the truth is about the subject probably has to change because the lack of love is telling me that there's probably also a lack of Divine Truth, because Divine Truth and Love are in perfect harmony every time.

So if I look at a theory that's presented to me, let's say it's a religious theory such as, "God only loves the people who believe in Christianity" - that's a religious theory that one and a half billion people on the planet believe and of course, "God only loves the people who believe in the Quran" is another billion or so people believe in that. In fact if you think about it those two beliefs are completely opposite each other in terms of their understanding, yet both faiths have the same belief about their own faith.

Now let's look at it from love's perspective. Does it make sense that God would only love a group of people who believe in a manmade written book of a certain type? It does not make any sense from a perspective of love. It would make more sense that God would love any person who's willing to love. And if God truly loves it would make more sense that God loves any person, no matter what they're willing to do. That would be the most harmonious with love, so therefore it's highly likely that it's also the truth because it's the most harmonious with love.

So what we can do is we can analyse teachings of the world and we can list them all and we can go through asking, "Is this in harmony with love? Is this in harmony with love?", or "Is this out of harmony with love (my understanding of what love is)?" And we can just dismiss teaching after teaching after teaching, Bible verse after Bible verse, Quran verse after Quran verse and other Holy Book verses after Holy Book verses. We can just dismiss them immediately by asking that one question, "Is this in harmony with what I know love to be at this point in time".

**Mary:** Yes and it'll be great because you and I are going to have a discussion on the qualities of Divine Love as well and so really, when you've got these two discussions side by side you get to see, "Well, from what I understand from that discussion about what Divine Truth is and what I understand about Divine Love", you've got a great way of weighing up all kinds of different theories and ideas.

And honestly, it's simple; it is so simple to determine what is the truth when you understand these qualities properly. This is why in the first century I found it so simple to discover truth, even though I was indoctrinated by my father and others in the way of the Torah, the first five books of The Bible in particular, but also of the Prophets. Even though I was indoctrinated in those faiths I didn't believe in them because all I knew was that here we go, this is out of harmony with love.

You know my mother had to go away for forty days every time she had a child, that seemed to me to be out of harmony with love; every time she had a menstrual period she had to go away for seven days and nobody could touch her, that was out of harmony with love. And so forth and so forth; there were so many things out of harmony with love and I'm going, "That can't be the truth then." Quite simple - they can't be the truth because I know from God's perspective, and by that stage I was about eighteen years of age and I could see very clearly that from God's perspective everything would have had to be in harmony with love, and in harmony with a love that far exceeds any person's love on Earth. So when we understand this quality there are so many things we can understand and work though in terms of what is truth and what is not.

6. Regarding quality three: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth and Love are always in perfect harmony, and without Truth, Love cannot be complete" What does that understanding look like in my personal life?

So now we're asking from a personal perspective. Okay, what it looks like personally is this: I will never accept inside of myself a teaching that is out of harmony with love; I would never hold onto that teaching; I would never take actions about that teaching that are out of harmony with love.

So if I was in this space properly, I would never resort to violence about something that I believe; I would never even yell at somebody about something I believed; I would hold onto the fact that love needs to always be present when truth is present. So I would never revert to violence if I truly felt in my heart that this was true.

Now if you look at the religious history of humanity, almost every religious faith has without fail reverted to violence at some point in its history, because other people did not believe what it believed or what it stated you should believe, or what it stated you should do. Love would not do that, love would not ever revert to violence and so therefore the teachings that they were reflecting cannot be true. Under this rule, this principle of Divine Truth, the teachings cannot be true. The only teachings that can be true are the ones that promote love. The only teachings that can be true are the ones that promote understanding, that promote the ability to live in the Universe in a happier way, with more contentment. They're the only teachings that can be true.

This is why there are a lot more scientific truths than there are religious ones on the planet at the moment, because more of them have resulted in an easier life, a better life for many people on the planet. Therefore they are more in harmony with love than the religious teachings that people proclaim are about God.

So this is one of the primary things that would happen, I would see any time I resort to violence, any time I resort to anger, any time I resort to frustration, any time I try to by force or control somebody else with regard to the truth, I'm out of harmony with love. Therefore what I'm doing isn't the truth; I've got to change if I really want to become in harmony with God.

**Mary:** Okay, so what about with regards to our relationship with God and receiving Love from God, I also wouldn't expect to receive Love from God if I am avoiding truth in my personal life, would I?

Exactly, so you get to a point where you're going, "Okay, I don't want to know this, I don't want to know that, I don't want to know this. Please God, give me some more love." And probably not receiving any in that place, you wouldn't be feeling like you're receiving any - I'm definitely sure of that. And then you go, "Oh it's all God's fault that I'm not receiving God's Love."

**Mary:** Or, "It's not fair."

Or, "It's not fair," or whatever. No, it is completely fair - you're not wanting to live in harmony with love. How can you expect to receive more truth and if you're not willing to receive more truth, how can you receive more love? If you're not willing to live in harmony with the truth you already know, then how can more love come to you? It can't. So stop trying to bend the rules, stop trying to circumnavigate God's Way, which is always to confront this beautiful quality of Divine Truth, which is, truth and love will always be in harmony. You need to bring yourself into harmony with the love you've received if you're ever going to receive more truth and love. So do it, choose to do it, don't choose to avoid it, don't try to get away from it, don't use your will in a negative manner to harm others or harm yourself \- choose to do something that's harmonious with love, even harmonious with love of yourself and that is be in harmony with the truth you know you need to be in harmony with.

**Mary:** Yes, and I suppose I think about this on a very personal level, that if I know if love and truth are harmonious, how can I say that I'm a loving person if I'm not truthful about what's inside of me?

Exactly.

**Mary:** How can I say I love you if I'm not being truthful to you?

Exactly.

**Mary:** How can I be in any kind of social ...

How can I love the government if I'm not truthful with the government?

**Mary:** Yes, any kind of relationship, if I'm avoiding truth within that relationship. If I know that love can't be present unless truth is present, then that really changes a lot of the ways we analyse what it means to be loving, doesn't it?

Exactly, exactly.

**Mary:** Because a lot of us feel or have been raised to feel that it's loving to withhold truth.

Exactly. Like we've been raised to think the opposite thing that God has created as a fact in the Universe.

**Mary:** So can you maybe talk for us a little bit about this idea that kind of drives that thought, that when I say the truth it creates pain, not love. Why do we believe that?

Well we believe that because the error within us was created over a long period of time. The error is very painful - it causes all sorts of immediate painful results. But unfortunately we have a tendency to desire to live in it, because the world lives in it. So what we do then is we absorb it, it becomes a part of our life and it becomes a part of our self-definition. It becomes what we believe to be a part of ourselves and when you've got to give up what you think is a part of yourself, it's going to be painful in the process.

Now the truth, God's Truth exposes this error when it comes, and this is one reason why we believe the truth is painful - because it actually exposes error. It makes us see the truth and therefore causes us to have to feel the pain of the error. Then we go and make this mental association and heart-based association that the truth caused my pain - no it did not, the pain was caused by the un-truth present, and if the truth was present and there was no un-truth present, you would have no pain.

So if I can give an example of that in a person's day-to-day life. Let's say they're in a husband and wife relationship, and the husband decides he's going to cheat on his wife and then he decides that he's not going to tell her. Then he decides that he's going to do it again and not tell her and do it again and not tell her. So she's oblivious to the truth, but there is already pain being created in the relationship - in the husband, in his heart, in the woman who's connected to the husband in this sexual relationship that's not a part of his relationship with his wife, and there's all of this pain already being created. He's oblivious to it, because he doesn't want to face the fact that love and truth would be acting in harmony with each other. He doesn't want to tell the truth to anybody, he doesn't want to tell the truth to the woman that he's not going to leave his wife because of security reasons or whatever, he doesn't want to tell the truth to his wife because then his wife may leave him and then all of his security issues may be triggered and half of his wealth may disappear. And so what he does is he keeps this thing happening on the side without telling any truth.

Now when somebody comes along who notices it's happened and tells the wife that it's happened, at that point she will feel a lot of pain. If she's not careful she will believe that it's because somebody told her the truth. It's not because somebody told her the truth, the reality is if somebody told her that and it wasn't true, it would cause her no pain at all. If it wasn't true, it wasn't happening, it would cause her no pain at all. It's only going to cause her pain if it actually is happening.

**Mary:** Because?

Because it's the error that creates the pain.

**Mary:** It's exposing what's already there.

It's exposing – the truth exposes the error, but it's the error that created the pain. It's the fact that he cheated on her that makes her feel hurt. If he didn't cheat on her she wouldn't feel hurt. But a lot of times we don't want to know the truth, and this is a big problem on the planet too. We need to understand that the desire to know truth is directly connected to the desire to love. We need to have both if we're ever going to live in a loving society.

We see on the planet with the media for example, that the media is willing to feed us lies and we're willing to take them and we've got to ask ourselves a question, "Is this loving"? It's not loving - to anybody - taking a whole heap of lies, and feeding people lies is not loving either. So we need to have more of this honour of the connection between love and truth.

Now if we did that, if we actually felt that in our soul, we would never be able to lie about anything we'd done, even if what we'd done might cause the breakup of our family, might cause us to lose our job, it might cause us to be in jail for a while, it might cause us to do lots of things if we tell the truth, we would never avoid it.

**Mary:** Because we would know that our love cannot be real ...

And also our love can never grow by avoiding it, we'd know that.

**Mary:** The other thing that occurs to me as you're talking about all of that, is that having a soul-based understanding of this truth would lead me to know that if someone is telling me a truth and I have pain about it, that that's exposing an area where I don't have love. Similar to what you were saying earlier.

Exactly, so let's give the similar example, shall we? You know, the example with the husband with his wife. If she feels that someone telling her the truth – let's say he's not cheating on her and yet someone comes along and tells her that he is, and she gets all hurt, then that's her hurt, there's something inside of her that is caused by a lack of love within her that causes her to feel that hurt, and she would understand that.

**Mary:** Yes. Okay, so perhaps to finish off this point, maybe just let's read some of the other notes that you've written here and perhaps you'd like to talk to them. So when we have a soul-based understanding of this truth, then we don't have a desire to convince ourselves that we're receiving Divine Love when we're not.

So it's like, how can you continue to receive Divine Love when you know you're out of harmony with truth on certain subjects? You can't. And if you're trying to convince yourself you're receiving Divine Love when you know you're out of harmony with truth, then you're receiving something else other than Divine Love - it could be connections with spirits or could be your own imagination or whatever - you're definitely not receiving God's Love while you've chosen to be out of harmony with truth.

**Mary:** Okay. And I don't wish to help others avoid the truth that they're not receiving Divine Love.

Yes, I see this happening quite a lot, particularly in religious circles. It's usually in the Christian religious faith where a person receives Divine Love to a certain degree because of their feelings for God and their feelings for the desire for that love. But then there are certain truths they don't want to accept, they want to believe in the Bible and as I've pointed out in previous answers, the Bible is not a great record of God's Truth. It's also not very loving in many places, but they might want to believe in the unloving passages in the Bible. In the process of wanting to believe in that, they are blocking the reception of more love, of more Love from God and also they are blocking the absorption in their soul of any truth. So what are the truths of God's Laws about these particular subjects - they're blocking all the knowledge of that.

Under those circumstances, they still want to believe they have a continually growing connection with God. But they need to be told the truth: a continually growing connection with God is only possible by continually growing in connection with truth. And I'm talking about the universal, absolute truths, not the so-called truths that are contained within a written book, but the actual universal truths; they're the ones you're going to have to conform to at some point.

So we need to stop telling each other that we're going okay when we're not. We need to be honest with each other with the fact that unless we receive more truth and unless we live in harmony with the truth we know already, and unless we're willing to examine what we believe is truth in the light of love and change our opinions based on what love would dictate, then it's impossible for us to continue growing \- we are going to stagnate.

This is why I notice many religious faiths have an initial improvement in the reception of love, so they receive some love from God initially when they find the faith or in the short periods after, and then they stagnate because they get into fixed belief systems which oppose the absorption of love. They oppose, they're not in harmony with love, and in fact when we act upon them we actually ourselves are out of harmony with love, which has its own compensatory effects. As a result of that we're not absorbing truth either, we're not living in harmony with truth, we're not understanding this soul-based thing that we need to understand, which is love and truth are perfectly aligned with each other. If there is a truth that's out of harmony with love, then it's no longer a truth, it's just an idea, a concept, a manmade concept; it's not an absolute truth of the Universe.

7. Quality four: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth does not and cannot compromise, even for the sake of peace"?

The Divine Truth has this beautiful quality about it that it will never know a compromise. From the points that we've already raised we can see quality number two is that Divine Truth is immoveable and quality number three is that Divine Truth is always loving: now if it's immoveable and always loving, it will not be able to compromise, because that would make it moveable and if it's always loving it wouldn't promote war, but it would also not compromise for the sake of maintaining a false peace. So here we're talking about a false peace, not a real peace.

Real peace can only occur when we bring ourselves into harmony with all of God's Laws. That's the only time that real peace can occur. In other words, you and I will have exactly the same idea on one of God's Truth's as each other and that's the only time that there will be actual peace between us, that we'll actually feel peaceful with each other.

Error has a quality or a nature and that is that it always tries to violently defend itself. A person who is in error wants a person in truth to conform to their error and they are prepared to revert to anger and violence, manipulation and abuse, control and other things in order to enforce the error upon the person who believes the truth. A person who's in truth will not be moveable on the subject of truth; once they know the truth they will not be able to move. In fact, to do so would be to compromise love; compromise personal love of self, compromise love of God, compromise love of others. So they have to be immoveable with regard to the truth and as a result of that, they are not going to compromise, even when somebody's prepared to attack them and abuse them and harm them.

Now we see many examples of that in the world in which we live but perhaps we need to leave the examples to the next question, which we ask about the personal examples.

So this is a quality of Divine Truth that we need to understand, that if we are in truth, if we're in harmony with God's Truth, we are not going to compromise for the sake of avoiding somebody else's attack of us. Now we see this happening all the time, people avoiding attack by compromise and then they expect to have a relationship with God. You can't maintain a relationship with God if you are willing to avoid attack through compromise, because to do so would be to move away from the truth, and Divine Truth is immoveable, you can't move away from it, you can't compromise with it. So this is a very important aspect of Divine Truth to understand.

**Mary:** Yes and you mentioned that this idea that Divine Truth won't compromise even for the sake of peace, but would always be peaceful. We would never be war-like when we're in harmony with Divine Truth, but neither would we compromise if threatened with war. That's on a large scale but even in a small scale within a personal relationship, we would never actually be aggressive or abusive or violent. But we also wouldn't compromise on what we know is truth, under the threat of violence or abuse.

Exactly. So when we come up with the examples we can talk about some of those examples perhaps, but that is exactly correct. We can't expect to compromise truth and actually make it better. And I feel there is a constant belief on the planet that you can make a situation better just by compromising with some truth. You can't, all of God's Laws are supporting truth, so every time you compromise a truth you actually make the situation worse than it was or would be if you hadn't compromised.

So that's the sad fact of life that we engage here on the planet, is that humans generally believe that you can compromise the truth and have a better outcome. No you can't. If you compromise the truth you'll have a worse outcome - that is the way God has designed this quality. This quality of Divine Truth is such that if you compromise it you are going to have more unhappiness. You can't have peace by compromising truth; you can only have peace by both parties understanding truth. You can only have peace by both parties feeling love; that is the only time that peace is achievable. You can't have peace by the compromise of truth.

**Mary:** Great, thank you.

8. Quality four: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth does not and cannot compromise, even for the sake of peace" look like in my personal life?

Well we could look at it in a number of ways here in our personal life, because I feel when we ask this question about personal life we need to look at our life generally, and humanity's life on Earth as well, because we see all sorts of examples both in our personal lives and in humanity and the way in which nations operate with each other with this particular principle. If we understand at the soul level that every time I compromise truth, I am going to result in more harm, I'm going to create more harm to myself and others in my environment, then there are a number of things that I would refuse to do.

One of these things is that I would refuse - once I know the truth on a certain subject and I know for certain it's God's Truth and that's for certain in my soul, I know that truth in my soul - I would no longer try to make it easier for everyone else to understand that. I would just state what the truth is, I wouldn't try to embellish it, modify it for public opinion, try to make it sound better than it really is, any of those things. I would just present it as it is, from a state of peace. So I wouldn't be angry with the world when I present it, I wouldn't be demanding of the world that the world accept it, I wouldn't be trying to force the world into some kind of change, I would just present the truth and let the world make its own choices; anyone else other than myself make their own choices about that presentation of truth.

So if we look at that in a relationship maybe first. What that means, if I know a truth and I know that you don't believe it and we're in a relationship with each other, then what I would have to do is I would still present that truth but I'd do it in a peaceful manner, I'd do it in harmony with love, I would do it without expectation or demand that you conform to it, I would do it without trying to manipulate or control you subversively or overtly in any manner. I would always respect and honour your will about what you do, but I would still stay firm about the truth; that's what I would do personally.

**Mary:** And so, conversely and also because of what we know from quality number three, that Divine Love and Divine Truth are always in harmony, if I'm presenting a truth and I'm doing the opposite of those things that you just outlined, then I have to even question if I know the truth.

I don't know it; the reality is I don't know it. If I'm presenting a truth at this point in time and presenting it in a way that's angry, enraged and all these other things, then I don't really know it yet because there are other aspects of it that I've yet to discover.

**Mary:** So for example, we know of someone who comes to our seminars who was in a different seminar, a work training seminar, and the person presenting was presenting some things that they felt were in disharmony with Divine Truth and they felt that they needed to stay firm for truth and not compromise, but in effect they hijacked the entire seminar and started arguing with the presenter.

Yes, which is not what you would do if you were in harmony with Divine Truth.

**Mary:** So what would the lack of compromise be in that situation?

Well for a start, a person who's gone to a seminar where something else is being presented as an invited guest of the people who are present, and in this case I think he was an invited guest of the government in fact, to help him get a job; as a guest, he has no right to try and hijack the seminar itself. He's allowed to be fixed and immoveable on his own truth, and he would be peaceful about that, he wouldn't feel enraged that somebody is trying to tell him something that's different to what he believes. He would feel calm, he would feel, "Okay", he'd say, "No worries, I can hear that." He would sit there in silence the entire seminar and see anything that came from it as a gift at least to help him understand that he's now a bit more loving than he perhaps was before. Even though he might not absorb anything that's being said because he disagrees with it all, he would sit there calmly, without having to speak up and become overt about it. If it was his own seminar, that's different. If it was something that he was presenting that he had paid for, that he had bought the seats for, that he had invited other guests to come along, now he can speak about what he feels in that environment.

**Mary:** But even in that environment, if he felt the need to be aggressive or demanding of people ...

Then he'd be out of harmony with truth itself.

**Mary:** With love and therefore with truth.

Of course. So a person who's truly in harmony with these principles would be able to sit through hours if not days, weeks or even months of unloving behaviour going on around him, without compromising his own principles in his personal interactions, but without demanding that other people agree with him.

He would also not avoid disagreement when he was asked, "What's your personal opinion?" He would tell his personal opinion and when somebody gets angry with him he would not get angry in return. He would always be peaceful himself even though other people are not peaceful. And if other people want him to compromise in order to have peace, he wouldn't do that either; he would stay firm, but he would always be peaceful.

So a person who truly understands these principles would not go and hijack somebody else's seminar for example, would not go and hijack some sort of course or workshop, would not hijack what's going on even in people's day-to-day life. He would understand that he's allowed to have his own personal opinion and once it's God's Truth he will know it to be true. Once he knows it to be true he will act in harmony with love; if he really knows it to be true he will act in harmony with love and he will not compromise even when threatened or abused or any other thing occurs, he won't compromise love when somebody does that with him. He will always be loving in the circumstance and situation and if he's not he would realise, "Wow. There's still some more truth I have to accept."

**Mary:** Okay, another example. Say I'm a vegan, and say I'm invited to a family function – which is not likely to happen to me anytime soon, but hypothetically speaking! And I'm there and somebody's serving something that has some cheese in it. And someone, a relative of mine says, "Look just eat it, because otherwise your grandmother will notice and she'll be upset and what's going to hurt you just to eat this thing? Just for the sake of peace today, please do this, it's loving."

And it's not; it would be compromising for the sake of peace. Truth is of itself, always truth. Whenever you compromise it things can only get worse. So by doing something that compromises the truth, what you're doing in this example is you're harming yourself again, through the ingestion of something that you know is out of harmony with love. So that's number one. Secondly you're actually harming your grandma who made it, because you're not allowing her to have her confrontation of why she made something that was out of harmony with love in the first place.

**Mary:** Or her unloving investment in me eating that thing.

Of course, that's a third thing, why does she demand that you eat what she wants? That's not love either. So there are a number of loving issues that this would force out into the open if you didn't move. But if you compromise, none of these issues will get raised; you'll have compromised yourself. In other words you've done something unloving which will harm your own body, your own relationship with God, your own spiritual feelings about yourself and your own spirit body; all will be harmed.

Secondly, the person who expects you to eat it will be harmed because they will see that compromise is love and it's not - compromise is not love; compromise in fact is very unloving. And thirdly, the person who created the concoction that you're meant to eat that's out of harmony with love, wouldn't ever understand that what they've created has unloving parts to it that they need to have a look at if you they ever want to come into harmony with God's Truths of the Universe.

So by compromising you're actually causing more negative effects. When you stand firm - so if you kindly stand firm - "No, I'm just not going to eat that and there's no way I can eat that." And when somebody asks you why you tell them why, and when somebody gets upset about that you let them be upset about that and you don't get upset in return. And if somebody's so upset that they're attacking you, you leave; and you're willing to do all of that; then you have been peaceful yourself but also immoveable and not compromising for the sake of peace. And this is what Divine Truth does; God doesn't compromise God's Truth for the sake of peace.

If I can bring up some more global examples where this has happened in history. In the First World War, the outcome obviously, as we know was that the German attack failed and therefore a peace was settled as the saying goes, in which many compromises about God's Laws were made, compromises of love and compromises of truth.

Now many of those compromises affected the German people as a result. There was a lot of rage in the rest of the people who thought that the German race created the war and as a result of this rage they imposed many unloving and therefore untruthful restrictions upon the German population. Now of course this bred feelings within the population of unfairness or lack of equality. As this unfairness and lack of equality grew, eventually it laid the foundation for the political rise of someone like Hitler, which eventually created the Second World War.

This is the problem with compromise on a national and international basis. What it does is it actually creates future conflicts down the track, because one or both parties generally involved in a compromise are not happy. The only way for two parties to become happy is for two parties to accept God's Truths about the particular matter; that's the only way that two of you can become happy, with anything. That applies in a relationship; it also applies in a worldwide international incident.

You wanted to bring up a relationship or ...?

**Mary:** A worldwide ...

A worldwide example, yes.

**Mary:** Well it's to do with the truth and reconciliation trials in South Africa. I'm not intimately aware with ...

... all of the laws ...

**Mary:** ... all of the workings of those trials. But from my rudimentary knowledge, I believe it was based on the idea that truth needed to be told. So much had happened under the apartheid regime ...

... which was unfair and unloving ...

**Mary:** ... yes, that the idea was that people in local communities would come together and the truth would be told about what happened. And then, some kind of reconciliation or punishment or ... it would be decided upon in that forum.

Didn't they decide that there would be no punishment?

**Mary:** I'm not sure if that was the ...

Similar to the situation in Lebanon, where they decided after the war that everyone had done so many bad things, that everyone would get away with everything! (Laughs) And that was the compromise!

**Mary:** Yes, at the end of the twenty years of war they decided ...

And then we had the converse thing happening with regards the end of the Second World War when the Nazis were taken to trial in the Nuremberg trials and then that went on for years and years and years afterwards. Twenty, thirty, forty years afterwards they were still proceeding.

**Mary:** Yes. So I suppose I'm talking about this relationship between truth and peace and also when we strive for truth but we may not necessarily want God's Truth in terms of what should happen after we speak the truth. What do you feel about all of that?

Well I feel it's an oxymoron to say we're striving for truth but not willing to accept God's Truth, because the reality is that the only truths in the Universe are God's Truths - they're the only truths. Everything else is personal opinion, subject to variation. God's Truths are fixed and immoveable, not subject to variation. So the only thing that's worth attaining is God's Truth on any issue. We do this automatically with many physical things as I've pointed out.

So when it comes to the truth about how a physical law works, we want to find it. We want to know how gravity works; we want to know how aerodynamics works. We spend years of research finding out such things but when it comes to issues or laws surrounding love and laws surrounding how the human soul works, we ignore almost them all. And this is our problem - we can't expect to continue ignoring truths and therefore have any positive results afterwards. Whenever we ignore God's Truths there will always be negative results.

Now many people on Earth have ideas of compromise, they believe that compromise works. Now there have been experiments of compromise just as there have been experiments in no compromise and basically none of the experiments have worked in either direction. The main reason why is because none of them are true. None of the experiments that have been carried out in these regards are true. When there was not compromise, there was no factoring in of repentance; there was no desire to achieve repentance, which are all parts of the truths of God's Laws. And as a result there's an ignorance of the emotional truth of God's Laws; in other words, we're focussed on discovering the physical ones, but we're not focussed on discovering the spiritual and emotional ones.

If we were focussed on the spiritual and emotional truths of God's Laws and we applied all of them in these situations, every one of them would now be resolved completely; every single one of them. It is the compromise of God's Truths with regard to these particular events that cause further trauma and pain in any or all of the people involved. This is what we need to understand - whenever we compromise God's Truths we're not creating peace, we're creating a fictitious state in which the emotions of the people involved with these particular events are never released and therefore fester like an open wound, to come out at some future time. And you see this happening globally, in nations themselves, in religious organisations and in personal relationships. You see the same principle occurring right across the board.

In personal relationships there's this common viewpoint that if I compromise my personal viewpoint in order to have some more peace our marriage will last longer. But it doesn't, all that happens is I know I've compromised and I'm upset about that. You know that I haven't really come to your opinion at all, I've just made a compromise that's not real, and you're upset about that. And in the end at some point in the future it will all come bursting out in some other way.

If we both had a goal to conform to God's Truth and therefore conform to God's Love with regard to the subject, now both of us will need to compromise, but we're not compromising God's Truth, we are working from our place of untruth to God's Truth. In other words we're getting to the point where we decide we're going to honour God's Truth only and we're going to realise that both of us have to change in order to accept that truth. Now we have the true opportunity for peace in the relationship, in a nation, in religions and in the entire world internationally, when we are all willing to accept what is the actual truth. We have all accepted the actual truth about gravity, we've all accepted the actual truth about aerodynamics, it's time we all started to accept the actual truth about love but we are very resistive to that unfortunately.

**Mary:** So perhaps to finish off I'll just read out some of the notes that you've written here of what it would mean if I personally had this truth, this soul-based understanding of this truth. So, "I would refuse to compromise Divine Truth in my day-to-day life, even for the sake of peace or expedience", which you've covered. "Even if I seem destined to 'lose' something, I never compromise truth, personal or God's."

And this is an important point. A lot of people realise that when they stay immoveable, there's usually the potential for other people to attack them. So this is something that we get quite frequently. The media attacks us when we're unmoveable on a certain issue, other people attack us when we're unmoveable on a certain issue, and the majority of people on the planet have learnt that under those circumstances they're always going to lose something. So what they do is they try to avoid losing it by compromise but in the end it's always going to work out worse for them and particularly worse for their soul, but also worse for every single person around them if they do.

So it's very important to not compromise on these issues. It works out worse for the people around them because the people around them don't get to see what the problem is; all they finish up doing is believing that they are right when they're not right; and this is a big problem that we face on the planet. If we don't stand up for truth and stay in peace while we're doing it, the people who are in error don't get to see their error.

**Mary** : Yes and I suppose I can think of a very personal example again. And I mentioned - I made a joke about my family earlier - but I suppose that when you and I formed a relationship, when we started our relationship, my family protested quite a lot and they resorted to being quite aggressive and abusive towards both of us - verbally and emotionally and trying to manipulate me. So I reached the point eventually where I felt I couldn't compromise the truth - that their behaviour was unloving and unjust actually towards the both of us. And I understand what you're saying - the expectation from my family was that I should compromise and just overlook what had happened in the past and move on - and I can see now that if I had have done that, I would have allowed them to feel that what had happened was okay with me. I realised that if I wasn't going to compromise I would "lose" them from my life, but in actual fact, I already felt that I had lost them, because this love had been broken already.

And this is the thing - often what we're trying to save when we compromise has already been lost, and the compromise doesn't help it at all.

**Mary** : No, it just prolongs the pain, doesn't it?

Well it's a way to avoid pain, because we don't come to a full recollection or full acknowledgement of what we've lost. By compromising, some kind of semblance of a relationship would have been maintained, but you would have always felt like it wasn't loving anymore. So you would still have lost it and the only thing you would have been avoiding would have been your own pain with regard to the acknowledgement of the loss. So this is a problem with compromise - it causes us to believe that things are better when they are still the same as they have always been and this is not a good way to get more and more truth from God - to stay where they're always the same. We need to get things better.

**Mary** : Okay, well I'll continue with the list. So when I have a soul-based understating of this, "I'm not afraid of giving up my addictions or comforts so that I can get closer to God."

Exactly, so quite often what we want to do is we want God to compromise for the sake of God's Truth. So the flip-side of this is that Divine Truth will never compromise even for the sake of peace. What we want to have happen is, "God, you compromise because I don't want to give up my addictions; you compromise, I don't want to give up my sadness; you compromise, I don't want to give up my fear; you compromise; I want to be angry when I can be angry." And we want God to compromise on all of these issues.

If we truly had a soul-based understanding of this particular quality of Divine Truth we would go, "I realise that I can't ask God to compromise on any of these issues. If I want to be closer to God I'm the one that's going to have to do something about my addiction, my fear, my anger and my sadness. I'm the one that's going to have to choose to feel it all." And so you wouldn't avoid all the feelings so much and you wouldn't be there in a great big rage with God in rebellion saying, "How dare you make me go through all of this?" because you realise it's all for the sake of loving you that God's asking you to go through this. He's not even forcing you - He's asking you to go through it but He's saying to you, "I'm not going to be able to have a closer relationship with you unless you do it", and most people on Earth don't like that. They want a closer relationship with God; they want all the benefits of a relationship with God without having to get rid of all the things out of harmony with truth in their relationship with God.

So if we truly felt this quality of Divine Truth in our soul - that God's Truth isn't going to compromise, even for the sake of peace - then we wouldn't expect God to give us Divine Love while we're purposefully doing a heap of things that are out of harmony with love and truth. We wouldn't expect God to do that, we would acknowledge that, and we wouldn't even be in a rage with God about that because we'd understand, "Yes God's just wanting me to have real changes, not changes that are just figments of my imagination or manufactured because of my intellect, but real soul-based changes, that's what God wants me to do." So I wouldn't be complaining to God about that.

**Mary:** Okay. I refuse to conform to other people's addictions, for the sake of peace or personal gain.

A lot of times when we conform to other people's addictions it's for the sake of personal gain. In other words, we give them something in order to get something from them. The reality is a lot of times we're prepared to give them what their addiction demands in order to get what our addiction demands, and that's what creates co-dependence. But it's also what creates a lot of badness on the planet: this exchange of addictive behaviour.

If we really understood this quality of Divine Truth and we had some truth in our heart, what we would do instead of doing that is go, "Okay, even if I'm going to personally seemingly 'gain'" – and it's not a real gain because it's not real, but it's a seeming gain – now I've got to say to myself, "Okay, this is not something God would do, so it's not real gain and it also is harming myself and the other person." And we need to see it as such; and if we understood this principle of Divine Truth, we would see compromise of truth as a harmful thing, not as something that supports our life, but rather something that degrades it, that's how we'd see it.

**Mary:** Okay. "I refuse to soften the truth in order to make the truth more acceptable to others."

Yes, this is about making the truth more tasty I call it, or making it more palatable, or making it so that more people will listen to it. The reality is, the unadulterated truth, as God presents it, is the only way to present it. This is why God is immoveable in the way God presents the truth even - God's immoveable because God knows that every time you try to embellish it, every time you try to make it nice, every time you try to make it easy to take, it ends up in disaster down the track.

**Mary:** Well it's a compromise of the truth.

It's always a compromise of the truth and it ends up in disaster every time. In fact, God's Laws are attempting to correct you from doing such a thing, that's the sad thing. Every time we think we're embellishing it, God's Laws are going, "Stop embellishing it". And we go, "I want to embellish it, because ..." and the "because" is always because we have some kind of thing we want in return for the embellishment. We want a result, we want people to change or there's always something that we want.

The beauty of not compromising is that we also then have to deal with internally all the things we want through the compromise. We have to feel that we don't have them or didn't get them and we have to feel about it, if we're truly at the soul-level we would be feeling about it. This is great because it releases things within us if we do that, and so it's a powerful thing to not allow the compromise, even if you desperately want it, and to then feel about the results of the lack of compromise inside of yourself. Feel the attack, feel the abuse, feel all those things you're avoiding - they are things you're avoiding. Or feel the fact that you didn't get what you wanted, feel the fact that nothing happened the way you'd like. Feel those things.

**Mary:** And in the end I think when you receive this soul-based understanding of this truth, you do feel that the truth can't be made more tasty or interesting or appealing.

Of course, how can God's Truth be made more appealing than God's already made it? By embellishing it, you're basically saying to God, "You know, you didn't make it good enough. I'm better than you, I can make it better." That's really what you're saying and the arrogance of that position is so extreme that it's no wonder that there are laws that correct it. (Laughter)

**Mary:** Okay. Next point we have when we have a soul-based understanding of the fact that Divine Truth does not compromise, "That I act in harmony with Divine Truth at all times, even when I'm afraid or terrified."

Yes, the main reason why we compromise in any situation is because of fear or being terrified; we are afraid that something will occur that we do not wish to occur. Now, fear is something that opposes love and truth. When a person is afraid they are always generally rejecting truth and also love can never be perfected while fear exists.

So whenever we act in compromise we're acting upon our fears, and whenever we act upon our fears we're not understanding that we're actually preventing our personal growth in truth and love, by acting upon our fears. Instead what we need to do is choose to feel our fears, to let them go. Experience them and let them go. Then we have the ability to absorb more truth and also to perfect our love. So compromise for the sake of supporting fear or avoiding fear is a very, very dangerous road.

**Mary:** And it's a false peace that we attain through doing that.

Well more often than not we don't even obtain peace from it, what we obtain is more oppression. If you look at almost every society that is engaged in this fear-based process, they end up with more oppression, more damage - more attack, not less - and it's only societies that stand up to truth with truth in harmony with God's Love that actually result in less of those things. This is something that we haven't learnt yet - most people on the planet haven't learnt yet - they still think that they can compromise for fear's sake, and actually have a good outcome. All of God's Laws are actually saying, "No, no, no, no, non no, you're going to have a bad outcome doing this, because you're honouring fear."

If you look at a lot of the things that are happening around the Earth today, it's because we honour fear so much that we can't love anymore, we can't speak in harmony with truth anymore. We honour fear so much that the reality can't be exposed and as a result, most of us end up with a lot of pain and suffering.

**Mary:** Okay this next one's interesting. "I'm not always attempting to get a common intellectual ground with people in rage or hatred."

Yes, now this is a very important thing to understand about compromise: persons that are enraged or in hatred or resentment are attacking you - they are not peaceful. They need to have their rage and hatred exposed as an unloving thing within themselves. If you compromise when they are enraged or in hatred, you're supporting their rage and hatred, you're supporting their ability to control you by doing what they wish to do when they're enraged or in hatred. To do such a thing means that not only are you compromising yourself and God's Truth, but you're actually helping them become even worse a person than they currently are. So now you are actually responsible partially for aiding and assisting them in their enraged or angry behaviour; and this is very out of harmony with love, and therefore out of harmony with Divine Truth.

**Mary:** And so essentially you're saying, anytime we even try to reason and converse and have a really rageful or angry person see our point of view, we're actually compromising. Is that what you mean?

No I'm saying if you have to compromise in order to have their rage reduced, then you are not in harmony with God's Truth. If you're willing to just sit there and talk to them, talk them through their rage, and eventually they come to see reason and they calm down, well that's different but you would not embellish or compromise God's Truth in order to do so.

**Mary:** Sure, sure. Okay, next one, "I love all people enough to say truth, even if it means losing their friendship or approval."

Yes, and this is a very important aspect to understand about this part of God's Truth. The reason why God's Truth doesn't compromise is because God's Truth loves. What I mean by that is that God knows that when we discover more Divine Truth - remember Divine Truth is universal truth, it's the absolute truth of the Universe - we're going to have a happier existence, we're going to have more joy, we're going to have more satisfaction in life, we're going to have more growth. Therefore, there are only positive results of knowing more truth. Now God's Truth knows that, and so this is one reason why it doesn't compromise, because it knows that if it compromises it compromises all of those things, it compromises joy, peace - real peace I'm talking about, not a fake one - and it compromises the person. Everything is compromised through the compromise of truth - their ability to grow, their ability to change, their ability to become more loving is all compromised. If we understood that we would actually see telling the truth as an act of love; we wouldn't see it as something to avoid, we would see it as something we always need to do.

**Mary:** Great. Okay, last one, "I never feel anything related to truth or love is too hard or time consuming."

Yes exactly, what I see a lot of people doing is they almost go like, "I haven't got the time right now to be loving; I've just got to get this thing over and done with." They don't understand in that place that every time they compromise ... and to compromise is against this process of Divine Truth, it's against one of the qualities of Divine Truth. Every time we compromise, we're basically saying that it's going to take longer; because all of God's Laws are constructed to make it go as short as possible, to be as economical as possible, to make everything happen as quickly as possible. And every time I compromise, I'm compromising God's Laws ability to do that.

So basically what I'm doing is I'm going to make everything longer, I'm going to make everything worse. I'm going to have to spend more time rather than less on a particular thing. So I see a lot of people thinking that they're compromising for the sake of expedience and time, and in the end they finish up spending five times, ten times, fifteen times more time than what they would have spent if they had lived in harmony with truth.

**Mary:** Yes, that's lovely. There are wonderful things about that quality, aren't they?

So this quality number four I feel is a pretty important quality, understanding that God's Truth, once you know it, it never compromises. Understand that's very, very different to personal truth. In my opinion, with my own personal truth, I always need to compromise, all the time. In my personal life I'm always compromising because I know that there are things I don't know and on those things I don't know, I need to be willing to compromise very rapidly, if I'm going to receive God's Truth, because it's God's Truth that is the thing that won't compromise. Unless I'm willing to change and develop and therefore compromise my own truth, I'm never going to grow towards God's. So understand that this quality is about God's Truth, not about your own.

**Mary:** Yes, definitely.

And in fact all of these qualities are about God's Truth, not necessarily your own. It's only when you bring your truth into harmony with God's Truth that you will then not compromise yourself on that particular truth.

**Mary:** And in fact this whole discussion that we're having today, this series of questions, gives us a lot of clues as to whether our personal truth is anywhere in the ball-park of God's Truth.

Exactly.

**Mary:** And so if we find that what we believe to be true is not matching up with these other qualities, then we already know, "Hey maybe I need to compromise."

We're way, way out of God's Truth. So far we've done those four qualities. We've done the first quality, which is God's Truth is infinite. So every time I think truth is finite ...

**Mary:** "I know everything about this."

"I know everything about something"; no you don't, simple as that. Only God knows everything about everything. We will come to know more about every subject and there are certain things that will solidify, certainly, but if we believe that it's not infinite, then we have no idea what God's Truth really is. If we believe that it's going to move, if we believe that we can move it around, push it around, manipulate it - not true. If we believe that we can do it out of harmony with love - not true. If we believe we can compromise - not true. And if that's what we're doing, compromising, being out of harmony with love, trying to manipulate or move things around, negotiate with God, or we believe it's all finite, then we know we're a long way away from where God's Truth is in terms of its quality. Our truth and God's Truth are like night and day - night, our truth, day God's Truth - and that's the beauty of truth is that it exposes everything, God's Truth exposes everything. Our truth doesn't; our truth wants to keep us stagnant, keep us where we are, no change. That's part of these qualities.

So far we've discussed four, we'll try to discuss another three in this session but we need to understand already that if we've just used those four qualities alone, and analyse your own personal life and your own personal belief systems with those four qualities - you could see you could throw out half of what you believe! (Laughter) If you were humble you'd throw it all out, but often we're not humble so we hold onto it. But if we're truly humble, in the light of these particular qualities, we'd throw out half of what we believe automatically. And we've only got to quality number four - we haven't discussed the others; the other ten that we've still got to go eventually. And I feel it's important for people to see that, that a lot of accepting these particular things is about humility, and that's a different discussion in itself.

9. Quality five: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth itself, with all the power and knowledge that it has as its foundation, will not compel a man to accept it against his will"?

Well firstly we need to acknowledge in this particular quality that Divine Truth is one of the most powerful forces in the Universe. It is the way in which the entire Universe operates in fact; every single law that governs the operation of the Universe is a Divine Truth, is a God's Truth, it is an absolute truth, a universal truth, and because of that it has a huge amount of power at its disposal. All the power of God is behind these truths that are all God's Truths. So we need to firstly understand that these truths are unimaginably powerful.

However, because God gave humankind this gift of free will, God does not use this power in order to manipulate the will of humans. All God does is govern the entire Universe with this power but allows humans to make a choice to bring their truth, their knowledge into harmony with Divine Truth, or to live out of harmony either knowingly or ignorantly with God's Truth.

So God's Truth never forces itself upon humanity. God's Truth is encouraging humanity to discover it and God's Truth doesn't compromise the rest of the Universe by allowing humanity to have free will, but it does allow humanity to decide what to do in its sphere of operation. So wherever humanity lives, whether it be here on Earth or in the spirit dimensions, they have the choice to bring themselves into harmony with God's Truth or not and God will never force them to bring themselves into harmony with God's Truth. God will never even force them to have to discover Divine Truth - God will just wait until we have a desire and take the opportunity to discover Divine Truth.

So this is a very important quality of God's Truth in that it doesn't work against this gift of free will. God has given humanity the gift of free will and as such, always honours this gift and the truth itself, the universal truth honours the gift of mankind's freewill. It doesn't allow mankind's free will to break the laws of the Universe without consequences, but it does allow mankind to exercise their will out of harmony with love, if they wish to. Of course, it always has negative consequences, but mankind is allowed to do it and God will never force mankind to change. God only educates us through this process.

**Mary:** And so if we personalise that we can make a stand for Divine Love and Divine Truth, but the minute we're going to fight for it we've actually abandoned both.

Exactly, as soon as we start to fight for what we believe is true, whether that's verbally fight, emotionally fight or physically fight for what we believe is true - when I say verbally fight I mean be angry and upset about what we believe is true, project upon other people our rage - then what we're doing is we are compromising this attribute of Divine Truth, so therefore we're not in harmony with it. God's Truth doesn't do that.

God doesn't yell and scream at us every time we break one of God's Laws; God doesn't yell and scream at us even if we're going to break one of God's Laws, and God doesn't yell and scream at us after we've broken one of God's Laws even. God just educates us through this process where Divine Truth is immoveable, it always will have consequences - as another quality that we'll learn later - and as a result, it doesn't need to yell and scream, it doesn't need to fight and it doesn't need to push us around. It doesn't need to do anything because by itself it is immovable.

It is one of the most powerful forces in the Universe aside from God's Love and as such, it has a huge amount of power to change us and the entire operation of the Universe is dependent upon it. So once we respect that, that it will not break this underlying feeling of love which is a feeling of, "I am not going to manipulate your will, I'm not going to control your will, I'm not going to passively or aggressively attempt to change your will, I'm just going to ask you to change your will," once we understand that we would never engage in any activity that would result in damaging another person through the exercise of truth.

Now if you think about how that applies to most religious institutions on the Earth, religious institutions have a terrible history of forcing themselves to even murder and do many things - torture and murder - in order to impose themselves upon another nation or another people. This is an indication that most of the human religion is actually forgetting this underlying truth about God and about how God has created the Universe.

10. Quality five: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth itself, with all the power and knowledge that it has as its foundation, will not compel a man to accept it against his will" look like in my personal life?

Well again, what we do in our personal life and what we do in society is often very much a reflection of what we do in our personal life. So when we examine this question we can see that it's going to affect a lot of society-based decisions as well as personal decisions. When we honour the gift of free will, we allow people to make their own choices and decisions and the only time that we would restrict a person's choice and decisions - and the restrictions would all have to occur harmonious with love - is when the person chose to exercise their will in such a manner that would create other problems for other people.

So in other words, if a person decided that they wanted to commit suicide, they're only affecting themselves, depending on how they do it. If they do it in a very messy way then they're affecting some other people; if they do it very cleanly, they are only affecting themselves. We would not try to force a person or to stop them from doing it, unless there were certain conditions involved. One of those conditions might be that a person might be spirit influenced and therefore we might firstly want to remove the spirit influence from the person, and once we've done that, then allow them to make their own choice about whether they would like to kill themselves or not.

But if you look at what God does, God allows any person who wishes to suicide, to suicide. God doesn't stop them; God tries to educate them; God tries to show them through lots of different means, both angelic and people on Earth, that it's not a wise choice to make, but in the end God doesn't stop them from doing it and the reason why is because it's an exercise of their will. They're allowed to make a choice that's out of harmony with love and God's Truth, which is, "Don't do it because you're going to have a lot of pain if you do it", isn't forced upon them. They are allowed to make the choice and God doesn't make rules about them making the choice, God allows them to do it. This is what we need to understand is that even when a person is ready to harm themselves, God is not going to intervene. God will try to help them, but God is not going to intervene, is not going forcefully stop them from harming themselves.

**Mary:** So if we personalise that, not only can I not expect God to intervene if I'm doing something that's out of harmony with truth.

That's personally harmful.

**Mary:** That's personally harmful or even harmful towards others.

And also I cannot expect God to intervene with the consequences of such behaviour. Often what people do is they want to take the behaviour but want God to intervene with the consequence, and God's not going to do either of those things.

**Mary:** But neither will I compel others to accept truth about things, because I'll respect their free will.

So I wouldn't force them through some kind of act of violence or rage or something like that, to believe what I believe. I would never choose to take such actions.

**Mary:** Or to do what I think is loving.

Or to do what I think is right.

**Mary:** Or even what is right from God's perspective.

Yes, to do what I know is right from God's perspective; I still wouldn't force them to do what is right from God's perspective. I might encourage them; I might educate them or attempt to; I might talk to them about the principles or matter involved but I won't force them, I won't bully them, I won't control them or even manipulate them through the withholding or the delivery of information that's false. I won't do any of those things in order to control their will.

You see this happening in religions a lot today where there's this constant making of laws to control people's will. So for example, religion is not content with God's Laws, so what they decide is they need to make a whole heap of other laws to support God's Laws. So what they then do is finish up making a lot of man-made laws: for example, a law, "You have to have a written certificate of marriage before you live together"; well God doesn't have that law; God hasn't provided a written certificate of marriage to anybody in the Universe who has ever become married; God knows that it's love that binds the two people together. So when I attempt to force you to get a written certificate before I would acknowledge that you're in a partnership with another person, what I'm doing is forcing my will upon you and when I'm doing that, I'm out of harmony with Divine Truth because God, knowing the full truth, never does that. So you \- not even knowing the truth - are doing it, you're doing it, so there's something wrong and that's an indication that you don't have this kind of law or principle of understanding about the quality of Divine Truth, in your soul.

**Mary:** Okay. So some of the other things that we've listed here: "If we have a soul-based understanding of this truth or this quality, that we respect the free will of others even when those others choose to harm us with their will."

Yes, this is a very interesting part of this, in the sense that we understand and acknowledge that when we're living, particularly here on Earth, God is allowing people to make choices and sometimes the people make choices to personally harm us. We would not revert to violence in retaliation to this harm.

Now that is a very difficult thing for the majority of people on this planet to accept. God doesn't revert to violence and retaliation of harm, so we also need to not revert to violence in order to retaliate against personal harm. This is what it means to be Christ-like and yet if you look at the actions of the majority of religious faiths, they revert to harm, whenever their personal life is attacked in any way.

**Mary:** And even in our personal lives we do that, don't we?

We often do that. We often resort to resentful and hateful activities as a result of harm perpetrated against us. So when somebody harms us, we then feel that we are justified in perpetrating violence towards that person in some way. When we do that, we are not understanding this principle of God's Truth - God never does that - we are not in harmony with this quality if we do it.

**Mary:** Similarly, even if we just withdraw from that person in a state of anger or rage.

So when we withdraw from people, we may withdraw from people in order to protect ourselves from their particular projections at us, or in order to make a stance that we believe their behaviour is unloving, so those things would be acceptable. But if we're withdrawing from people in order to express our rage, we're already having rage go from ourselves to that person - that is a violent attack that is out of harmony with this principle.

You see this happening a lot in marriages where women are withdrawing sexually from their partners for example and a lot of it is occurring because of rage. The woman is in a rage about sexual matters, she doesn't wish to address this particular emotion, and instead what she chooses to do is withdraw from the relationship sexually and emotionally and she then thinks that's great, that she's more peaceful now. No, she's not - she has both compromised but also she has not respected her own will or the will of another in that particular example, because she doesn't see that if she withdraws, she is not allowing the will to be expressed and then working through the issues that cause her to want to reject it. So in other words she's not allowing her husband to express his love for her and not working through whether she really wants to be in the relationship or not; she's not allowing him to make a choice, she's not saying to him, "I'm never going to have sex with you again," and then he could say, "Well I'm never going to live with you again."

When we withhold information that is important to other people, we are in fact affecting their will. If you need certain information in order to have an open and free and understanding relationship with me, it is my imperative to give it - I must do it. If I withhold that information I'm influencing your will, I'm basically withholding information that you may make a different decision with if you knew it and when I do that I'm not honouring this gift of free will. So I'm not understanding this basic principle or quality of Divine Truth in that place.

**Mary:** Okay. So when I understand that "Divine Truth will not compel a man to accept it against his will," I don't attempt to manipulate others, even when I could easily do so knowing their emotions. I do not force people to accept the truth, but rather respond to their desire to receive the truth.

So can we maybe discuss some of these? Let's look at the manipulation thing. We see this going on a lot in relationships, where people get manipulated back and forth, back and forth; and the purpose of the manipulation is to get a result we want. God doesn't do that - God just presents a truth and lets the person make up their own mind about how they're going to choose to use that truth. God doesn't try to manipulate that, he tries to encourage loving behaviour through the laws, but He doesn't force you into loving behaviour; He lets you make your own choices.

**Mary:** And even every time we present a facade in a relationship we are in fact manipulating that situation. We're saying, "This is me," but it's just the false version of me and there has to be something that I want from that in return.

And I'm really attempting to manipulate the will of another, rather than just present my real me as I am right now, warts and all as the saying goes, and let the person make up their own mind about whether they want to be with me or not. The irony is the majority of people are very attracted to that, and most people would be more willing to engage a relationship under those circumstances, which is the law of truth.

And the second one you mentioned was what?

**Mary:** I don't force people to accept truth but I do respond to their desire to receive it.

Yes, this is very, very important. We often don't understand one basic principle about truth, and that is that a person who doesn't have a desire to receive it in their heart, will never receive it.

**Mary:** They cannot, can they?

They cannot. God's Truth is all heart-based truth and so unless you have a desire to receive it, you aren't going to receive it, so it's pointless giving it. It's pointless giving the truth to a person who has no desire to receive it. So this is a very important point, this is almost like attempting to force them to receive truth when they don't have a desire to have it.

**Mary:** And it's a very beautiful thing when a heart does desire truth, isn't it?

Of course, it's just so lovely then because when a heart's desiring truth, they can absorb as much truth as you're able to give.

**Mary:** And actually this power and knowledge that Divine Truth has as its foundation, which is a part of this quality that we're discussing, has the ability to enter the soul of another person.

And transform it completely.

**Mary:** And that's very beautiful. Okay, so understanding this quality that Divine Truth is very powerful and doesn't compel people against its will means that I never use truth about others to alleviate my own addictions or gain personally.

What we see happening a lot is people have a tendency to use truth or their knowledge of truth about other people, in order to pull down other people and destroy their character or nature.

**Mary:** Their self-esteem really, isn't it?

It's really trying to pull down somebody's self-esteem and worth and the reality is that people who do this obviously have very poor self-worth and they're attempting to pull down other's worth below their own. Unfortunately, they have a lot of soul-based degradation that occurs as a result of their actions but doing so is actually an act that doesn't honour this quality of Divine Truth and that is the quality of Divine Truth is that it never forces itself upon another person, but it's always truthful, but it never has a personal motivation of forcing somebody else to feel a certain thing. It always has a personal motivation of attempting to help or heal a person, that's what God is constantly doing - that's the power of truth. It's the power of healing that occurs - that's why it's the truth that sets you free.

Now when we personally pull down other people, we tell other lies or the truth to pull down people, we are proving that we have a manipulative motivation of harming another person purposefully and when we have those kinds of motivations, we are really attacking them. So we're really doing something by force, and this would not be a loving action.

**Mary:** Alright. "I never manipulate others or events by withholding portions of truth."

I think we've already discussed that.

**Mary:** We've covered that, haven't we? "I never attempt to force a person into their emotions, when they do not wish to feel emotional."

Exactly, so this is the same kind of principle. I'm not trying to force the truth into a person emotionally, when I know that they don't want to feel any emotion. What's the point of doing that? Why not just have an intellectual discussion of the truth, if you feel like you wish to, and see whether they're open to letting that soak into them emotionally at some point in their future, rather than trying to force them to be emotional as a result of what you're telling them. This is again an attempt to manipulate their will and every time we attempt to manipulate another person's will we are out of harmony with God's Truth.

You can see there are religions on the planet, there are politics on the planet, there are all sorts of universal institutions on the planet, when I say universal - worldwide institutions on the planet \- and all of these institutions, many of them are governed totally by this desire to manipulate the will of others. Many of them would have to disappear under this particular principle. God doesn't do any of those things, but because God's Laws are also immoveable, you can't break them without there being consequences. It's impossible to circumnavigate the law through force as well.

11. Quality six: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth will never and can never accommodate itself to the beliefs of men"?

Well this quality of Divine Truth is obviously linked to some other qualities we've already discussed, and that is that the Divine Truth is immoveable, it has this characteristic that you can't change it, that it's infinite in its nature and those kinds of qualities.

So this particular quality defines the relationship if you like between Divine Truth and mankind. Humankind constantly desires this - again not particularly with physical things but with emotional and spiritual matters - humankind desires that they can hold onto their own truths. They believe that they can be and believe things from a spiritual and emotional perspective that they have the right to do so in fact, which of course they have been given the will to do so but not necessarily the right to do so, because the right implies an angry holding on to false beliefs and so forth. Now all of God's Laws are created to encourage us to shift from that perspective but the majority of people on Earth believe that they should be able to hold onto their own truth and have a relationship with God at the same time.

So you see people in all sorts of different religious formats thinking that their particular belief is the belief that is the true belief about God. So if you ask a Christian, "What's the truth about God?" he'll quote the Bible this and the Bible that and mention all of these things. If you ask a Muslim what the true belief about God is, he'll quote the Quran this and that. If you ask a Hindu what the true belief is about God, he'll quote all different things; if you ask a Buddhist he'll quote all different things again. The reason why is because mankind has made up all of their own ideas about God; they've made up all their own ideas about what the Divine Truth is; they've made up all of their ideas about what is absolute truth.

Now God's Truth doesn't conform to the ideas of men - that's one of its qualities. So just because you've made up an idea or concept about God, it doesn't mean that that's the truth about God, it just means it's your idea or concept about God. Sooner or later you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that it's your idea or concept and it's not necessarily God's Truth about God, or about the Universe, or about the human soul, or about science, or about mathematics or about any subject in fact. What we need to come to terms with is that just because we have a personal idea, it means nothing in reality to what is God's Truth about any issue, whether the issue be physical, emotional, spiritual in nature, it doesn't matter, soul-based, it doesn't matter. Whatever our ideas are, they will probably have to change if we're going to accept God's Truth on a certain matter.

God's Truth will not conform to man's ideas; or woman's ideas (Laughter); and a lot of women on the planet I notice today seem to have an idea that they have a better idea about what is love and truth than men do; but the reality is, God's Truth doesn't conform to humankind's ideas of what that truth is. God's Truth is what it is - it is the reality of the Universe. We are the persons who are going to have to discover it at some point if we wish to be happier. We are going to have to change our concepts and we're going to be forced into that position, through time.

Through this time process we'll eventually come to recognise that what's the point of constructing all of these man-made concepts when some or none of them may represent God's Truth. Isn't it better to have a scientific process of investigating what God's Truths actually are, and then bring our lives into harmony with them? That would be a better course of action. But instead of doing that, what mankind has done is they've created a lot of their personal ideas, put them in books and then said, "That's how God is." And of course we have whole billions of people practising their lives around these things now and unfortunately many of them are desperately unhappy because they're not God's Truths. And that's the problem we face.

**Mary:** So just to finish off this point, something you've got in the notes here is that "men who want to hold onto personal truth do not really love God or understand God."

Correct.

**Mary:** Could you talk to that a little bit please?

Talk about that; yes, we don't understand. I find this happening a lot with religious people - they come up with a lot of concepts about God, which are not God-like at all, they're not even loving at all, most of them, they're not truth, they're not Divine Truth but they are their own personal opinion. Then what they do is they think that that means they have a relationship with God, they think that that means that it makes them holy, and it doesn't. The only holiness that can ever result in a person is when Love enters their soul from God and the only truth or knowledge, real knowledge that can ever enter a person, must come from God, from God's understanding of the Universe. When you construct your own ideas and then believe you're holy as a result of them, you don't love God at all; you love yourself, that's all you love, and I would suggest you don't even love that very well because if you truly loved yourself, you'd want to know God's opinion rather than your own.

**Mary:** Yes. Don't we just love the construction, what we've created, the sense of pride we have?

Exactly, it's a terrible condition of arrogance. Basically what we're doing is we're saying to the world that God conforms to our concept of what God is - that's what we're saying to the world - we're saying that God should conform to our concept of what God is and we're actually telling the world that they also have to conform to our concept of what God is. When we do that without any relationship with God we are arrogant, and yet many people in this condition believe they are holy. They believe that they have a relationship with God and they believe they are doing the right thing but all they are doing is supporting their own arrogance, that's all they're doing.

So we need to see that this is the case, that God's Truth in this regard, the quality of God's Truth, is never going to conform itself to mankind's ideas and whenever I construct an idea that I expect my brothers and sisters on the planet to conform to, and I expect God to conform to, it is a display of my own arrogance. That's all it is.

12. Quality six: What does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth will never and can never accommodate itself to the beliefs of men" look like in my personal life?

Well firstly, I won't be always trying to come up with ideas and concepts about God that I don't know to be true. I will have a very open mind and an open heart about what is the truth about God, and therefore also what is the truth about the Universe God has created, what is the truth about myself and everything in the Universe. I will not have fixated ideas that are unable to be changed.

I will not also force these fixated ideas upon others. I would be humble enough to understand that any idea or concept that I come up with that is not proven to be true, it needs to first be proven scientifically, mathematically and in experience to be true before we can actually accept that it is God's Truth. As such I would not be postulating ideas and concepts that come from myself in order just to gain the adulation or adoration or honour of mankind. I would actually be doing things for a much more pure reason than having self-aggrandisement as the underlying reason for my actions, with regard to the creation of my understanding of truth.

**Mary:** Something you've written here is that, "I refuse to bow to the beliefs of men, even if threatened with death, rather than live in Divine Truth."

Yes, so here basically what we're saying is that - remember in previous example we said that error always fights for itself - so once we do finish up receiving a Divine Truth through this developing relationship with God and receiving Divine Love, truths are exposed to us that we eventually accept, and we now have a desire that develops within us to honour this truth under all circumstances and conditions. That means that if we're threatened even with our own death, we will still continue to honour the truth. We won't conform to man's opinions about what we should believe or what we should accept as truth.

So this can be very confronting at times, particularly if it's your own death that's involved, it's very confronting. I've been in that position myself so I know how confronting it can be to be confronted with the fact that you are not going to compromise and you know you're going to die as a result of it through the actions of others, because they wish to defend the error; not only defend it, they're willing to attack as a result of their error.

So once you have this idea or concept in your heart that this quality is, "I am never going to conform to the ideas of man," once I know something to be certainly true, I will not be able to bend on that issue, I will not be able to bend even if my life is threatened. I would never take an action to threaten someone else's life because that would be out of harmony with truth, but other people may take actions to threaten my life and I would not bend on the particular subject.

**Mary:** Another one: "I do not compromise my beliefs, even if it means I lose my friends or family members." We talked about this a bit in some other answers.

As with the answer about compromise, but when we talk about human's beliefs, what we're talking about is not just human's beliefs generally, or religiously, we're talking even about the beliefs of our own family. Now this is where most people find a lot of struggle with this particular quality. They sort of see like, "Yes I don't want to conform to the world belief about this or the world belief about that or this religions belief about that," but when it comes to the family, there are so many emotions involved in trying to get the family's approval, the family's acceptance and so forth, that we often and very frequently deny God's Truth on certain subjects in order to appease or please our family.

If we truly had this feeling in our heart that God's Truth doesn't compromise for the beliefs of men, we wouldn't do that. We would honour God's Truth under all circumstances as God's Truth. We actually become immoveable, as immoveable on the truth that's entered us as God is on that truth and as a result, even when threatened with ex-communication from our family or ex-communication from a religion or ex-communication from a political party, or ex-communication from a work situation or whatever, we do not compromise, we honour God's Truth first, not subsequent to what human's ideas or beliefs are. That's what we do.

**Mary:** Okay, another one, when we have this soul-based understating of this quality, "we are willing to be the only person on Earth who accepts the state of love and truth".

Now I can speak about this from my own example. For much of my time in the first century I was the only person on Earth who accepted one of God's Truths. Now what I find interesting is that from scientific perspective this happens all the time, in terms of physical analysis of things, but there are many scientists in the past who have had the same thing happen to them - where they have been the very first person to accept something that nobody else before them and many people of their peers refuse to accept - but it was one of God's Truths. And I've had to go through the same situation with regard to spiritual matters.

Now when we honour God's Truth above anything else, we don't bend on those issues and many of these scientists have been so positive in terms of the human race, because if you think about it, without them staying firm to what they knew to be true, our very society would be very different now than it currently is, with regard to many of these people in science or physics that have discovered certain truth. We wouldn't have things like, even light - if one person who first discovered these particular things didn't hold onto the truth they'd discovered and even that being laughed at and ridiculed by other people, they hold onto this particular truth.

This is something that is very much about strength of character. Once we know something to be God's Truth for certain, it creates such a certainty within you as an individual that it's very, very hard to not uphold it actually; you have to break one of God's Laws in fact to not uphold it. So it becomes very important then for us to not bend for the sake of other people's belief systems or for the sake of preventing their rage or anger, or for the sake of financial reasons or any other purpose. And this is how more truth comes to be on the planet.

**Mary:** Okay. "I desire to act in truth and love even if ridiculed, denigrated, shamed or threatened."

I suppose you could say an extension of the idea of, "even if I have to die for it" - this is, "I always respond in truth and love even if I'm threatened or denigrated or humiliated," or any of the other things where I haven't actually died. But sometimes it's easier dying than feeling all of those things, because dying is a much quicker and more painless process often times than receiving all of these other things. So I would still uphold the truth, even if I was the only person doing it and even if I was ridiculed by the entire rest of the world, I would still uphold the truth. That's the level of firmness I would have if I fully understood that God's Truth doesn't conform itself to the beliefs of man. Just because all mankind believe something, it doesn't mean that it's true.

**Mary:** Yes. Alright, another interesting one, "I feel the effects of un-truth on mankind in general and in each situation I personally face."

Yes so the beauty of this is because you're not compromising all the time, you see God's Truth and you see human truth, which is often error, and then, because you understand God's Truth in your soul, you start seeing the reasons why everything happens on Earth the way it does. You start seeing the contrast between what would happen if everyone did it God's way, and what happened because they did it their way, and you see the difference in every single case.

So it's like all of a sudden you become super-aware of everything around you as to why it's happening and what is out of harmony with love and truth is the reason why it's happening. And because you don't honour man's condition, you acknowledge it and you have compassion for it but you don't honour it, you don't live by it.

You often then can stand out as an example of a person living outside of the boundaries of what humankind defines as truth and then you can demonstrate through the life you have, the difference between living in harmony with all of God's Truth and living outside of it, and what living outside of it does - because all of humanity is generally engaged outside of God's Truth. So when you live inside of God's Truth there's a direct contrast between your own condition and theirs, and a direct contrast in your own analysis of every event. This is very powerful in terms of helping your understanding.

**Mary:** And this is one of the ways that truth, when we receive it and are willing to act in harmony with what we have received, supports us to receive more truth, isn't it? Because we begin to feel the effects by observing in people around us when we are no longer willing to compromise and we see now even more clearly the effects of their compromise, and this supports us to receive more truth. And the less we compromise on that truth, the more supported we are to see more truth and receive more of God's Truth, aren't we?

Yes, it also helps us with qualities like humility, because we go, "Ahhh, the lack of humility in the human race has caused them to think all of this is real and it's not real." It helps us with qualities like faith, because we go, "Wow, look at my life, my life's much happier than theirs generally and my life's much better than theirs generally. I can understand everything that's happening in my life now." So that causes us to have faith that the process works.

It also helps us with regard to love because we can see the results of a lack of love in people's day-to-day life and then we can contrast it with our own life and see, "Well okay, there are errors where I lack love and look what happened and there are errors when I engaged in harmony with love and look what happened there." So we have this much more sensitive and aware nature when we honour this truth, when we stop trying to conform to mankind's ideas.

Really we also confront the fear as well - the fear of everyone's disapproval. This is one of the major reasons why humankind hasn't grown much more than it has over the centuries - it is because most of us are so afraid of everyone else's opinion that we're afraid to have a different opinion. And because we're so afraid of different opinions and the different opinions are generally attacked, and we're afraid of attack, we generally don't try to find new truths. So we end up in this stagnant condition that remains for hundreds if not thousands of years and this is why we had periods like the Dark Ages, where thousands of years of lack of development occurred as a result of the imposition of falsehood, mankind's "truths", falsehood, upon the Earth. If we'd accepted God's Truth during that period, things would have changed much more rapidly.

**Mary:** Okay final point on this quality: "If we understand that Divine Truth will never accommodate itself to the beliefs of men, then we never justify the fear or anger-based positions of men, which indicate their lack of belief in God".

Exactly, remember anger is really the denial of addictions and fear is all about wanting addictions to cover over your fears - so fear, addictions and anger are all linked with each other. What we would do is we would never deny them in another person, we would always want to help them expose it, we would always see them as beliefs. So we don't just see concepts as beliefs; we see emotions that are out of harmony with love as beliefs. And once we start to see them as beliefs we start seeing that this is where we need to operate in harmony with love and truth and God's system of that, God's Truth about all those things.

One of these qualities of Divine Truth is that it's very, very different to men's ideas about emotions, very different to mankind's ideas about beliefs. All humankind's ideas about emotions and beliefs are able to be prevented in terms of their negative consequences if we brought them into harmony with love and truth - God knows that, people don't know that - and if we compromise then we just fit in with what people know, which is reducing our own ability for happiness, and reducing the ability for happiness in everyone around us. So we're far better off allowing the confrontation between God's Truth and human truth to occur and let it expose what it exposes emotionally. We're far better off doing that than we are trying to circumnavigate the exposure of certain emotions that are out of harmony with God's Truth.

13. Quality seven: What do you mean when you say "Divine Truth results in freedom"?

God's Truth results in freedom, or in the first century I used to say, "The truth will set you free," which is much the same thing. Well when you think about Divine Truth, because it is the truth of the Universe, every time we bring ourselves into harmony with it we are bringing ourselves into harmony with its operation, with all the laws that are determined by the truth. When we bring ourselves into harmony with something, everything's smoother, everything's easier \- therefore more free - everything flows easier, everything happens easier - everything's more free.

Whenever we bring ourselves into opposition with something, and particularly in regards to Divine Truth, whenever we bring ourselves into opposition with Divine Truth, all of the laws, all of the truths are attempting to correct us. So it's like placing a prison around us in order to correct us. So we're going through a correctional institution now basically, that's what's happening.

So when we live in harmony with Divine Truth we have this freedom, when we live out of harmony with Divine Truth, it creates restriction, confinement, slavery; and Divine Truth, God's Truth, always results in more freedom. But it's not a freedom where you're free and I'm more enslaved, it's a freedom that is equal in its operation, it's a freedom where everyone becomes freer, everyone becomes more loving as a result of this kind of freedom. So it's not a freedom where some people are free and the rest of us are in slavery; it's a freedom where everyone can become freer once they accept the particular truths involved.

This is a very, very important aspect of Divine Truth - it results in complete freedom in so many ways. It is the doorway to love, and what I mean by that is that it opens our heart to love; it helps us understand that love is available and it also helps us understand the way in which love is available. Therefore it causes a huge amount of happiness by its absorption; so it results in freedom and happiness as a result of the freedom.

So this particular quality of Divine Truth is so important to understand. Every time that we feel more confined it's because we don't understand enough truth and usually that means it's because we are afraid of something - fear is the false appearing real to us, the false appearing true - and usually when we act in fear we feel more confined, we feel more enslaved. When we act in truth we feel less confined, less enslaved - it sets us free.

So if you examine the world's political systems, the world's religious systems and a lot of other systems on the planet, you can see that many of the belief systems must be out of harmony with God's Truth, because many of them create confinement, they create slavery, they create a lack of freedom in fact. This tells us that even many of our own laws must be out of harmony with Divine Truth. And if we analyse everything that happens in the world with regard to this one aspect of creating freedom for everyone equally, not just for one person - it's for everyone equally - then we start to understand the beauty of Divine Law and Truth.

Remember Divine Truth is law; it is the truth of the Universe so therefore it is law. So we could say, the Law of Gravity, or we could call it the Truth of Gravity; we could call it the Law of Aerodynamics, or we could call it the Truth of Aerodynamics. Now there are lots of laws or truths that humankind have yet to discover, that have been discovered in the spirit world, like the Law of Repentance, or the Truth about Repentance; or the Law of Forgiveness, the Truth about Forgiveness; the Law of Love, the Truth about Love.

Once we start understanding all of these particular things with regard to Divine Laws are truths, then we see that this particular quality of creating freedom is quite remarkable. It creates so much freedom in fact that by the time you've become at-one with God, you feel completely free to express your will in any way you desire, without a restriction. I find it interesting because many people who listen to Divine Truth feel that it's quite restrictive and I'm going, "Yes, that's very strange." It only is restrictive because you want to hold on to the error, and it's the error that's restricting you in fact. The error position is the belief or the thing that is restricting your life.

**Mary:** And restricting our joy and restricting our receipt of love.

Restricting your power, restricting your ability to create, restricting everything in fact. If people on Earth knew how much their so-called freedom, which is not governed by a truth but rather by enslavery, was restricting them, they'd give it up instantly. It's only until generally people have progressed for many years in the spirit world before they realise how restricted they were when they were on Earth with their belief systems, and how much slavery it created.

So this is very important to understand this principle or quality of Divine Truth that it always results in more freedom for everyone. So if it results in more freedom for you at the same time as more slavery for me, it's not Divine Truth; for it to be Divine Truth, it has to result in more freedom for you and more freedom for me - then it's Divine Truth.

14. Quality seven: What does a soul-based understanding that "Divine Truth results in freedom" look like in my personal life?

Well firstly, I stop wanting laws that are made by humans to govern my life; in fact I stop needing them. Now what I mean by that is I allow myself to be governed by the Law of Love in all aspects. So I purposefully choose to no longer act out of harmony with love because I know every time I act out of harmony with love I'm creating slavery for myself or for others. So therefore I'm not in harmony with this particular idea or concept that Divine Truth always results in freedom.

When I act out of harmony with the Laws of Love, I am harming other people, either purposefully or in a state of ignorance - I am still harming them. And when I harm other people I am creating hardship for them, which is a lack of freedom. So I start to desire to love because it's the right thing to do. I start to desire it because I want it, not because I'm forced into it by law. And this is the freeing part of the Laws of Love, is that when you act in harmony with the Laws of Love, it's fairly automatic for you to act in harmony with almost every Law that God has.

**Mary:** And every truth.

And every truth \- if you think of law as truth - every Truth that God has. And this is the beauty of acting in harmony or in such a way; it results in this magnificent freedom that is not available to you when you're acting from some other motive.

**Mary:** Okay, let's talk through a few of the notes that you've made here. So when we have a soul-based understanding that Divine Truth results in freedom, "We live a completely free existence, free from others opinions, addictions and desires, and we promote the freedom of others."

Yes, so there are two aspects of this, aren't there? Firstly, we live free from everyone else's opinions and desires. Now this is a very interesting fact, because we're living in harmony with love, we now feel completely free from judgement, from other people telling us what to do. We don't feel inclined to do what other people tell us to do because we honour the fact that we are free, we honour the fact that we have free will; we're allowed to decide for ourselves what we do. We honour the fact that if we use that in harmony with love, it will always turn out to be the best outcome; if we use it out of harmony with love, we know it's always going to be terrible. So what we do is we choose to use it in harmony with love, that's one of the first things we do.

So the second aspect of it though, which was?

**Mary:** To promote the freedom of others.

Yes. This aspect is interesting. What we see often happening on the planet is people promote their own freedom at the expense of the freedom of others, and this is not a quality of God's Truth.

**Mary:** And it's also an indication that those people haven't had God's Truth enter them on these issues.

Exactly, so I would not promote my own freedom just so that you can have more slavery, because I would honour the fact that we are equal, and if I loved you as much as I loved myself, I would actually honour your freedom as much as my own.

So therefore I would never take an action to harm your freedom; I would never attempt to enslave you in any way, either enslave you with vices such as drugs or alcohol or other vices, or enslave you physically, or enslave you sexually, or enslave you emotionally or in any other way. I would never take an action to choose those things. I would never become a pusher of a drug as a result of that. I would never become a pusher of alcohol. I would never become a pusher of emotional additions if I honoured this fact, because I would like to create your freedom, not your enslavery. And when I saw a person gravitating towards slavery I would want to free them. So I would try at least, because of my love for them, I to talk with them about that. Now if they didn't want to hear, I would also promote that as their freedom that they're allowed to choose to not hear. So I'd promote that too.

**Mary:** Okay, another one. "I do not allow other's opinions, addictions or desires to influence me away from living in love."

Yes, so this is where, because I know I'm free and I'm allowed to have my own choices and decisions, I stop being so invested in everyone else's opinions and desires for my life. There's interesting flavours to this in the sense that I actually now listen less to what other people would say I should do, and I am more focussed on what I feel God would like me to do, or what love would dictate that I do. In others words I'm more focussed on knowing the truth of how I should act, rather than other people's opinions about how I should act, which may or may not be truth.

So I am very focussed now on allowing my own sense of freedom to exist; and that's a very important factor. A lot of people don't have that in their day-to-day life because they are so confined by other people's opinions. They have investments in other people's opinions. When I'm in this state, I no longer invest in other people's opinions - I don't want your opinion just so that I can feel good; I'm willing to feel bad and not have your good opinion, or not even have your opinion at all. I'm willing to go through my own doubts without trying to have you make my doubts go away; I'm willing to own my own emotions because I understand that's my way to freedom, rather than listen to what you think I should do, which would create slavery to you. I don't do that, I choose to not do that.

I don't want a guru anymore - I want a relationship with God. I don't want a guru anymore - I don't want a priest anymore; I want a relationship with God. I don't want someone showing me, telling me what to do. I want somebody who's willing to talk to me and discuss with me what they feel God's opinions are and how you can develop and know those things, I certainly would like that, but I wouldn't automatically do what that person suggests without some experiments. This allows me to set a course of self-determination in my life, which is the way God created you to be in fact; to engage your personality, engage your passion, engage your desires, engage the fact that you've been given this gift of will - it's yours, not anybody else's. This gift of free will is yours; it's not anybody else's. So don't give it away, learn to use it yourself. That's what's going to create your own freedom.

**Mary:** Alright, next one. "I act fully on all of my own desires harmonious with love, even when others oppose them."

Exactly, so I don't have this idea that in order to love, everybody's got to agree with me. I know when things are loving because I continue to have this connection with God while I'm in this place; I know that I'm allowed to make choices and decisions that are loving and be completely harmonious with all of God's Laws, and so I choose to act upon them even if everyone else disagrees with me. In fact, by choosing to act on them when everyone else disagrees with me, I help them go through what is true, what is not, what is love, what is not; I help them work though these issues by acting in harmony with love and truth myself.

Whenever I respect a person's opinions that are out of harmony with love and truth that I've discovered, all I'm doing is harming myself, harming them and both of us. I no longer have the ability to determine what is true and no longer have any freedom. So I'm far better at least having one of us have freedom than having two of us enslaved by our own desires to meet each other's addictions.

**Mary:** Great. Okay, "I honour my own beliefs, even when others disagree with them."

That's a very similar principle.

**Mary:** "I honour and experience my own emotions, at all times, in all situations, without reserve.

Yes, so I have the freedom to express myself emotionally without feeling confined by my environment. I know that God has given me this gift of freedom and all of God's Truths revolve around freedom. So whenever anybody tries to confine me emotionally, I know they're out of harmony with God's Truth. Every time they try to stop me from feeling a certain feeling that is in harmony with love, I know they're out of harmony with God's Truth; even when they try to stop me feeling a feeling that is out of harmony with God's Love but I'm doing it a way that's harmonious.

In other words, for example, if I have anger or rage and I go out and bash the bag instead of hurting somebody with it, that's more in harmony with God's Truth, I honour the fact that I'm allowed to do that; and particularly if I'm in my own environment and nobody else has to hear it, I'm definitely allowed to do that. As soon as I'm out of my own environment and everyone else has to hear it, now I would be out of harmony with love, forcing it upon them, because that would be out of harmony with the gift of free will, which is one of the previous ones we've discussed. But if I'm in harmony with freedom and in harmony with free will, I would choose to feel all of my emotions in my own privacy, without expecting anyone else share it and without expecting that anyone else would ever attack me for it. I would do it because I love myself and I love freedom.

**Mary:** Yes, great. This is a good one for me, "I do not ever blame another person for controlling or attempting to control me."

Yes, because I'm honouring that I have free will as we discussed in the previous point, and in this case we're honouring that I have been given freedom and as long as I live in harmony with truth it will create freedom, then I wouldn't blame somebody else for trying to push me around. I would go, "Okay, they pushed me around and I allowed it. Why did I allow it? Why do I put myself into the slavery of another person? Or listening to another person? Why did I do that? There must be a reason why I chose that?" and I wouldn't blame the other person for my reason; I would work through emotionally why I chose to have a life of slavery rather than freedom.

**Mary:** This is something really crucial that I am still learning about spirits and spirit attack when I feel so attacked or bullied and I just want to submit and just do what they want so that I don't have to feel fear. This is very much I feel God teaching us about our will, isn't it - that we have this freedom, we can make a different choice to not comply and just feel.

Choose to feel your fear, which is the reason for their attack.

**Mary:** That allows their attack.

That allows their attack - feel your fear. Realise that even the attack itself is a method by which you can heal something within yourself, that's real freedom.

**Mary:** It's very empowering, isn't it?

It's very empowering to know that somebody's attack of you, if you allow yourself to be humble to the emotion, you will feel attacked, you'll feel oppressed, you'll probably have a good cry about it, you'll feel some fear about it, you'll probably have a good cry about that too, and after that it'll be gone, and you'll feel free.

**Mary:** This is where knowing Divine Truth is literally a ticket to freedom, because there is no such thing as a problem you can't solve. Because when you're faced with something, you know what you can do, you know the laws governing it and even if you don't know all of them, because we can't know all of God's Truths, we can understand some principles and we know that humility will liberate us. So there's not actually an issue where we ever can feel stumped anymore.

No, and that even applies to death. We don't even see death as a lack of freedom, because the reality is, it isn't. Once we fully have absorbed Divine Truth we understand there's no such thing as death of who we are, there's no such thing as death of our experience, there's no such thing as death of our ability to utilise our emotions and feel and think and be free thinking and free feeling people and so we're not even afraid of death anymore. We have so much freedom that we're not afraid of anything anymore, including death.

**Mary:** Okay, two more. "I only respond in love when others attempt to manipulate or control me." So that's sort of linked to what we were just saying.

That's right, so when other people try to manipulate and control us, because we're not worried about having to do what they want, we can just be loving with them. So you've seen me do that frequently when we stay with people and so forth. You feel the manipulations that we get frequently, and I can still just sit there and love them and not get angry.

**Mary:** But not comply either.

And not comply, but not get angry. The reason why I don't get angry is because I don't feel like I have to comply, I don't feel like I have to do what they're saying. I know that I don't.

**Mary:** You feel this freedom.

I feel a sense of freedom and I sort of observe their projections at me, and even their rage that I'm not doing what they want, but to me that's their stuff. I don't feel obliged to be forced into doing what somebody else wants me to do, because I know that God's given me the gift of free will, God's given me freedom and all of God's Truths would help me be free. I therefore know that whenever they're trying to control me, they're not helping me to be free; they're wanting to control me, that's not freedom, that's control; and whenever somebody attempts to control me, they're not helping me to be free and so I don't conform to their desire that I become under their control.

**Mary:** Okay final one, which is very beautiful, "When we have this soul-based understanding that Divine Truth results in freedom, we're so free that nothing in our environment interferes with our connection with God."

Yes, once we become at-one with God, this is how it is. We're so free with everything that there's literally not a single event that could be perpetrated against us, not a single event that we could attract in our personal life, there's not a single thing that can happen to us, including death, that would upset our relationship with God, that would upset our sense of freedom - and it's a reality of freedom not just a sense of it. We know we're completely free in that place and because of that you imagine the freedom that creates. Most people on Earth cannot even imagine what that would be like, let alone feel what it would be like in today's circumstances. So this aspect or quality of God's Truth results in freedom, or the truth sets you free, is a very important quality to understand about Divine Truth.

**Mary:** And it's quite life changing when it does enter your soul.

Once it enters your soul, it changes the way you interact with almost everyone around you. All of a sudden, instead of being angry about what they try to do to you, you're no longer angry about what they're trying to do you; you're no longer upset with what they're trying to do to you because you now know you have a perfect sense of freedom and feel this perfect sense of freedom. You know you don't have to conform; you know you don't have to do what's being asked of you. You know you have freedom and you know you can give a gift of whatever you like to people, but you know that if they're demanding it, you're probably not going to do it. You have that sense of yourself that's much stronger than the average person has of themselves as a result. So it just creates this beautiful, freeing lifestyle, and it's not a freedom where it harms other people - it's a freedom that's in perfect harmony with how other people want to live their life.

