Human story is much more mysterious than we've been taught
From more than quarter of a century
I have been focusing on the possibility of a forgotten episode in human history of a lost civilization
My evidence suggested very strongly that there had been a global Cataclysm somewhere around
10,500 BC
This mass of new evidence comes out on precisely what I was talking about. I was three hundred years out
If we were to have another event like the event that happened twelve thousand eight hundred years ago
Our civilization would not survive it all these great buildings all this tech
We would be gone
Archaeologists should not take the view that they have got a firm and fixed picture of the past because actually we know so little
What's important is to question prevailing narratives all the time?
Really for thousands of years human beings have worked with plant medicine they have been an integral part of human culture
All ancient civilizations were using means to alter consciousness. They were central to some of the best and greatest achievements
Consciousness is a is a giant mystery. There are lessons we can learn here in this level of vibration
Maybe we should be considering that the depth of human experience is more than just material things and technology and our egos
I think what's needed is a recognition of how incredibly fortunate and blessed
we are to live on this beautiful planet and
Every minute of every day should be spent caring for it because if we don't care for it
It won't care for us. Our choice always was always will be
They say that the human race is doomed that we have lost touch with our true nature
But the media has corrupted us and that the planet has the future. I
Disagree I
believe that humanity is full of hope and
that our salvation
Lies within each one of us
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America and he's got a fascinating book about it
But more importantly I'm just glad that Graham is here because he nearly died
From some seizures about two years ago when he's really been back on this road to recovery
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This is London real I am brian rose my guest today is Graham Hancock the British journalist and author of numerous best-selling books
Which have sold more than nine million copies worldwide
You specialize in unconventional theories involving ancient civilizations stone monuments and megaliths
Astrological data from the past and altered states of consciousness. You're best known for your nonfiction
Investigations of historical mysteries including the blockbuster book fingerprints of the gods in 1995 and it's 2015
Sequel magician's of the Gods your new book America before the key to Earth's lost civilization draws on the latest
Archaeological and DNA evidence to explore the mysteries of the past and the profound implications of how we lead our lives today graham
Welcome back to london real thank you. It's a pleasure to be with you. Again. It's amazing having you here
I can't wait to talk about so many things about you. It's glad you're here. I'm glad you're here
First of all because I know a couple years ago you had some interesting, you know scares with your health. Yeah
I've had some I've had an interesting couple of years
health-wise
you know, it's a strange thing this business of life because we you know, we start out full of strength and youth and
For years, I never questioned my health. I just took it completely for granted
that I had been gifted with a fully functional body and
Able to just get out there and take on and take on any challenge
but you know as the years go by the
machine begins to wear down a little bit and then it throws you a curveball and the curveball that was thrown at me was
was a series of massive epileptic seizures in 2017 while I was researching America before the
first one happened in New Mexico
Completely out of the blue totally totally unexpected
the Santa wakes up during the night and finds me not in bed and
Finds me on the floor in the bathroom with blood pouring out of my mouth
whisked off to hospital totally unconscious
whisked off to hospital
sort of brought back to to functioning and
discharged after 24 hours
But that was a that was a minor one
The really bad one happened in bath in in England where I live in August
2017 how much later phew so that was the first one was in May 2017 and the second one was in August
2017 and the one in August 2017
Started with a headache and I'm just lying on the sofa with Santa and then suddenly I'm gone and the rest of it is
No memory for me. I'm only told about what happened. They have to call I'm writhing and and and
Seizing so violently that they actually actually have to have to ambulance crews to bring me down downstairs on out into the ambulance. Apparently. I'm
Roaring in the ambulance. I don't remember anything about this and the ambulance is shaking from side to side. They take me to hospital
They cannot stop the seizures
I mean
I'm in a state of just continuous continuous seizure and then the doctor takes Santa aside my wife Santa and says to her
It's bad news. We think you're going to lose your husband
And if he lives he's probably going to be severely brain-damaged
As a last resort, they put me in a 48-hour
induced coma they just shut me down completely and
Amazingly I came out of it still functional after after those after I didn't know what had happened
I woke up after those 48 hours and I saw
several my kids standing around the bed one of those of my son who's flown from
Los Angeles, you know another has my daughter who's flown from New York
What are they doing? What's happened to me? I had I had no idea. It was a very mysterious very very strange thing
But I think it was sent to teach me some lessons. Okay? And what lessons are those DS?
Well, the lesson is not to take anything too. Seriously, actually, that's that's that's the problem
you know, you have to be driven and
committed to
Do this kind of research and to make and to make big books and that's all very well. But it also
Takes a price
From from from the body. So I'm I'm I'm just trying to be a little bit more laid-back in
everything that I do and
Enjoy life, right? I mean look at the size of this book and when you look through other books, yeah
I mean you're an intense guy and we just talked about, you know, you're you're writing regiment
Yeah as we talked about once before you when you go in
Yeah, you know after you've done all of your preparation and research when you go to write
It's 16 hour days seven days a week for up to six months as long as the book takes
The it's possible to spend
Three or four years actually writing a book and I've done that in the past with a book like underworld that I published in in
2002 I allowed the writing to sprawl over a long period
What I found and it really works for me is get all the travel and research that the really detailed research get all that done
Get it thoroughly done and thoroughly in my head and then sit down and do nothing else, but write
For as long as it takes and typically for a book of this length, the actual writing period can be six months
But you're looking at two to two and a half to three years of research in front of that before the book actually gets writing
But the writing I like to keep it tight. I like to live with the book. I like to be
Deeply immersed in the story not distracted from it in any way so I just drop emails. I don't take telephone calls
I don't correspond with people
I'm totally there serving the book and living the story and that works best for me
And I think it works best for the story. I have to tell did the writing this come after
It did and and this was this was an alarming
prospect
For me and by the way not strokes, but but seizures seizures. Yeah, it's a different. It's a different matter
I
Was concerned that I might have lost some memory. Uh, I actually did lose some memory
In those massive seizures particularly the ones I had in August in England
And I was concerned that this would affect my writing
But interestingly enough it didn't and that I think is it's helped me to understand the process of of writing
Which is which is in a way it's a kind of download from the cloud and as long as your connection to the cloud
Remains solid it's alright everything everything is okay
and I found that all of the things that I feared didn't happen and I didn't I didn't suffer from lapses of memory that
Would make it difficult for me to connect the dots in a big picture far from it in a way
I think it opened me up more
To that interesting and is this cloud?
Some collective consciousness. So there's some other things going on besides all of the research
I'm just I'm just not sure what it is
But what I've realized as a writer is the most important thing I can do is get out of my own way
Don't try and overthink it do all the groundwork get that absolutely solid, but when it comes to actually writing
Don't overthink it just let it flow
There's a there's a flow that you get into and and that's what I call the cloud
It's like it's it's like connecting to something outside
oneself
That's where all the information is stored. That's where
Everything is stored and it's drawing down from there. Okay, putting it into a picture and how is the health now?
Just anything you changed up with there any other scares or seizures? It's been a little while now. But yeah
It's it's it's iffy, you know, because because
The fact is I can have another seizure at at any time
and
I would not like to find myself in that dark place again, because that's all I remember
From the 48 hour induced coma is just darkness
You know, I had a near-death experience when I was a teenager. I
Had a massive electric shock and that experience was actually filled with light. I
Left my body. I think I was 19 or 18 years old
I came out of my body
I was up around the light in the kitchen looking down at my body sprawled on the floor and I just remember thinking
There's very really interesting
I wasn't afraid at all and there was there was a sense of a vast
Expanses beyond and then I was back in my body. I didn't get the tunnel of light
I didn't get the relatives the deceased relatives saying it's not your time
I was just back and I'm functional but when they put me in that induced coma
following the seizures
No light total darkness. It was just like I'd been taken offline, you know
just switched off and and all that comes back to me from it is two things a feeling of claustrophobia and
Of course a ventilator tube was stuck down my throat
You know and to wake up with that still down your throat and you're looking, you know, I'm not waking in the man
You know, what is this what has happened to me very very strange
So it can it can happen at any time?
But I'm taking quite a number of precautions to try and make sure
It doesn't and I refuse to let it get in the way of my life
I've got I've got stuff to do I've got books to write
I've got journeys to make and I've got a family to love so it's all good
And you know, I just have to embrace it. Hmm
Do you think that early near-death experience might have taken you on this path of your life somehow or to think differently?
Somehow I I've had I've had a lot of course to think about that in the last couple of years
And yes, the answer is it did it?
Definitely did because right there at a very early stage in my life
I got very clear evidence that we are not our bodies
You know, the body is part of us
it's the vehicle that we
Manipulate and move around this physical universe in but we are not our bodies and we cannot be reduced to our bodies
Consciousness is a giant mystery
And and I believe it manifests in physical form for certain specific reasons
There are lessons we can learn here in this in this level of vibration in physical form where there are direct physical
Consequences for what you do?
Important lessons to learn but I don't think that's the whole story at all
I think it's I think I think it's just part of a much bigger much longer journey
Yeah
You know Before we jump into this book and I really want to find out
Why you wanted to write this and why now as well, and it's a trilogy, right?
It's the third one in in the in the series. I don't see it that way. Okay, I
What I what I would say, is that for more than quarter of a century I have been
Focusing on the possibility of a forgotten episode in human history of a lost civilization
and
Undoubtedly, my best-known book in that field is fingerprints of the gods that was published in
1995 and then a series of books after that the message of the Sphinx that I wrote with Robert Bauval
Heaven's mirror the big photographic book that I did with my wife santhu an enormous book called underworld that I published in
2002 based on seven years of scuba diving looking for structures on the submerged continental shelves that were above water
During during the last ice age, but what I see it as is a continuing journey
I don't I don't really neatly packaged it into into into trilogy. My previous book magician's of the Gods
was
Headlined by my publishers as the sequel to fingerprints of the gods and I think that's fair enough
Because that was that was taking a global frame of reference and and looking at all the new information
That had come out since 1995 for example in
Fingerprints of the guards in 1995. I
made a very clear statement that
My evidence suggested very strongly that there had been a global Cataclysm
Somewhere around 12,500 years ago. 10,500 BC
And that was the that was the central
Figure in fingerprints of the gods that there had had been this event
but I couldn't really say exactly what the event was that something awful had happened to the world and I explored quite a number of
possibilities in fingerprints of the gods as to what that could have been
But what then what then happened as we come through?
2007 2000
2008 2010 is this mass of new evidence?
That comes out on precisely what I was talking about a global Cataclysm and the dating on it. This is science
This is this is not some, you know journalists sitting writing a book at home
this is this is 60 leading scientists in the field of astrophysics and and
geology
Very strongly and firmly
Presenting evidence of a global Cataclysm caused by a comet impact twelve thousand eight hundred years ago
So I was three hundred years out
In the estimate that I put forward in fingerprints of the gods in
1995 and
More than 10 years later
science comes back with with with new information
So I don't see it
so much in terms of a sequel as more in more in terms of following the evidence where it leads and and when the evidence
starts to mount and becomes
Overwhelming then I will do a book on it
And I remember you saying before that
with every year we're finding out that things are older than we thought they were all the time and it always seems to be
Confirming a lot of what you've been talking about. I I have been blessed in the in this in this way
In the C period time because if you had done your research fifty years ago
Maybe this wouldn't even happen and would not have been happening now and perhaps it would have been impossible
For me to do that research fifty years ago
But but what has what happened? Is that really in?
1995 I was I was treated by the sort of the scientific community as as this
Total outsider. How dare he speak about this? He knows nothing about this. We are the experts and he's wrong
and and what's happened since
1995 is that the evidence drip by drip has kept on coming in that actually validates
What what I was saying before?
That there are missing episodes in the in the human story a huge development was the site of gobekli tepe in Turkey
Along with others like John Anthony West and Robert Schoch
I'd been arguing for a long time that the Sphinx is
Much older than it's supposed to be that we're looking at a twelve thousand year old monument
Not a four and a half thousand year old monument
And the response of the skeptical community to that was but if there was a civilization capable of creating something like the Sphinx
12,000 years ago
Then they must have created other monuments and we don't see any big monuments from 12,000 years ago
And therefore the Sphinx must be the age
we say it is and then
What happens?
Klaus Schmidt in the German archaeological Institute discover gobekli tepe and lo and behold it's eleven thousand six hundred to twelve thousand years old
Exactly in the window of the Sphinx
Firmly dated no
No dispute about it a giant megalithic site and suddenly the notion that the Sphinx is much older
ceases to be in left field and
Starts to become much more central because we're seeing is part of a pattern and that's what's been going on
Across the whole area that I work in right and yet some of the critics still say that those are independent occurrences
That it isn't all linked and I know you're on rogen with Michael Shermer and this was part of the dialogue
I remember him saying that he still could be independent. I know that happened about six months before some of your medical pieces
What did you learn from that conversation with him and the feedback?
well
First first of all, it helped me to understand that in dealing with history and particularly in dealing with prehistory
there is a difference because history is
based primarily upon written documents and prehistory you're dealing with
Objects artifacts that are dug up dug up out of the ground. I began to realize how
ideological this is that actually when I'm dealing with
academics with archaeologists or professional sceptics of any of any kind
I'm I'm dealing with people who already have an ideological position
and that ideological position is confronted by the position I take
So in an ideological war what you try to do is to destroy your opponent in any way fair or foul?
And it's how it's helped me to understand that there is an ideological war over our past
for example
When it comes to large-scale
Animal extinctions which happened at the end of the Ice Age what they call the megafauna
the mammoths the the mastodons the saber-tooth Tigers the you know
The the the giant sloths all of these all of these creatures were in the world
Until twelve thousand eight hundred years ago, and then they were gone
overnight very very radical rapid change now
The mainstream for some reason in this ideology doesn't like cataclysms. It doesn't like cataclysmic events
It doesn't want to think that there have been that that cataclysms have played a role in the human story
so seeking for a way to explain the disappearance of the megafauna the
Natural option for mainstream archeologists is to say oh that was human
Predation that did it that was human human hunting that did it and suddenly we're required to picture a group of hunter-gatherers
Who are so incredibly efficient and so ruthless that they wipe out the entire?
megafauna of for example North America in a matter of months
I don't know any come together a community that behaves that way they respect their prey they live with them
They they they co depend upon them. They don't wipe them out
What does wipe them out is a giant comet impact which melts the ice sheets and causes huge flooding over
over North America
so there's a there's a tendency in in the study of prehistory to want to keep the past kind of nice and calm and
Just the way it is now. There's even a word for it. It's called
uniformitarianism that that
And it's a doctrine that things should have unfolded in the past much in the way that we see them unfolding now
So if we don't have any giant cataclysms happening in the earth now, then there wouldn't have been any cataclysms in the past
And yeah
We know about the dinosaur and they were made extinct by an asteroid, but that was 65 million years ago
Surely within the human story. There's been no such thing and and
as a result
scholars who attempt to investigate the possibility of a past Cataclysm often find themselves in the crosshairs of
very vicious attacks from their from their colleagues as though somehow they're upsetting the applecart in
Some way and that as though we shouldn't think about these things. I don't
Think that it's deliberate planned
censorship, right
I think it's the I think it's the mindset of the of the individuals who we have entrusted
With interpreting our history for us and that is a mindset that is troubled by cataclysms
It doesn't want them to have happened whether consciously or subconsciously and and looks for other reasons to explain
Why things are the way they are? Yeah, it's important you say that because it's not in your mind that conspiracy
It's don't think so a natural tendency for them to shy away from these things
Yes, because also keeping things in the status quo keeps everything. Yeah the way it should be. Yes women
They're saying jobs their institutions alive. Absolutely and so they just
Naturally become uncomfortable. Yeah and resist when they hear these new theories very much. So and and this is a
Classic example that I go into in this in this new book
of
archaeology going
radically
Drastically wrong and it's partly connected to that so called overkill theory where the megafauna were supposedly wiped out by this ruthless
hunter-gatherer population and it's an archaeological theory called Clovis first and
It dominated American
archaeology for 50 years
The notion that there's a culture that archaeologists called the Clovis culture. We don't know what they call themselves
They're called the Clovis culture because what's called the type site the the classic site that they were at is
near the town of Clovis, New Mexico
in a place called Blackwater draw
Near Clovis, New Mexico, and apparently the archaeologist needed to go to Clovis to get beer so they called it the Clovis culture
Okay, and this Clovis culture?
There's no there's no evidence of it in north America before thirteen thousand six hundred years ago
It flourishes for about eight hundred years and twelve thousand eight hundred years ago
It vanishes completely from the picture
The position of archaeology for 50 years is those were the first human beings to enter American? No human beings entered the Americas before
Thirteen thousand six hundred years ago, and those are the same
Archaeologists who repeatedly called me a pseudo scientist or a pseudo
Archaeologist for suggesting other possibilities but lo and behold what do we find round about?
2010 onwards the evidence becomes overwhelming that Clovis was not first not first at all
Not first by even a tiny margin a huge margin first by it first by a huge. Margin. Not not
Twenty five thousand thirty five thousand fifty thousand as part of the research for this book
I went to the San Diego Natural History Museum and interviewed. Dr. Tom Demery. Who's the the chief?
Paleontologist there. The reason I interviewed him was because he just had an extraordinary paper published in Nature in April 2017
And that paper
documents human presence in North America one hundred and thirty thousand years ago that's ten times as old as
the Clovis culture
And all archeologists admit this now that the Clovis first was a mistake. They got it wrong completely wrong
Human beings have been in America for much longer than that
But what they don't comment upon is the careers that were ruined as a result
People like Jackson Mars who excavated bluefish caves in the Yukon
He had his career literally ripped to shreds by his colleagues because he was proposing humans in America
25,000 years ago. He had his research funding withdrawn. He could only continue on his own on his own buck
nobody was supporting him but he was right he was right and this happens this happens again and again,
So what when archaeologists of that type say, you know Hancock is a pseudo scientist. I say hang on a minute
You guys are the pseudo scientists. You guys sold us Clovis first for 50 years you guys
Withdrew funding from research that might have exposed that lie earlier you wouldn't let it happen and that's not right
It shouldn't be that way archaeology archaea
Archaeologists should not take the view that they have got a firm and fixed picture of the past
Because actually we know so little about the past they should always be saying this is our provisional position
But we are open to other possibilities
because if they don't say that those other possibilities are going to come along and kick them in the ass pretty
Soon and that's what's that's what's happened with Clovis. First and close first is not a small matter
Because if human beings have been in the Americas for a hundred and thirty thousand years instead of for thirteen thousand years
Why there's a hundred thousand plus years that archaeologists just haven't looked at
Because of their preconceived notion that there was going to be nothing to find there was actually a dictum
against digging below Clovis levels
you know how in archaeological strata that it's like a layer cake and you have certain levels and the view was
let's not waste research funds digging below Clovis because we know there was nothing before Clovis what an idiotic
What a ridiculous position to take those archaeologists who did risk it and who dug deeper like our Goodyear at topper in the Carolinas
They found human stuff going back tens of thousands of years earlier
So, you know
I think we're dealing we're dealing with an ideological discipline and I think it should be it should be more
Provisional in what it says and then what it claims and it should be less it should be less
despising of
People who consider other possibilities because that's a useful thing to do
It's useful to consider other possibilities, even if they're wrong
We should never science should never get locked in a narrow channel
And say everything outside the bounds of this channel is not subject to investigation. It's really a mistake
I mean I was surprised when you went to America with this book because I thought what's in America?
You know and because of all of the assumptions I had making, you know, I had been taught as a kid it you know
The simple that the narratives was simple as little as I knew that there was nothing else exactly
this was this was the view and this is why America is so is so interesting because what we have in the the
Americas North and nor and South America is a gigantic landmass
enormous ly rich in resources
Just the kind of place. Where a
civilization could emerge and
Then you take the Ice Age and you recognize that for very long periods
The Americas were cut off from the rest of the world, but yet incredibly rich in resources
So now we know that there were human beings there from a hundred and thirty thousand years ago
And we know that archaeologists haven't been looking at what they were doing. Now's the time to ask. What were they doing?
What was what was going on in in in the Americas in in that time and again a need for?
archaeologists to be more humble
how much have they really looked at take the
Mississippi Valley
Civilisation which plays an important role in this book the famous sites her sites like Cahokia or
Poverty Point or
The the Ohio sites such as hi Bank and Newark
Amazing, you know huge geometrical earthworks absolutely stunning
but the trouble is that in the eighteenth and nineteenth and
Twentieth centuries there was massive large-scale destruction of these ancient monuments
They were not considered to be worth preserving the needs of agriculture and industry were more important
so what we can say is that round about 90 percent of the monuments that were in the Mississippi Valley in say
1700 are
Gone now, they're not there
So archeologists in drawing their conclusions about that culture are drawing it on a tiny fraction that's randomly left by chance
From the mass scale wipe out that was that was caused and then when the archeologists come to it with preconceived
Ideas about what sort of culture it should be that's another form of censorship that imposes itself upon the past
We should let the past speak for itself and was that just human destruction without people thinking about it?
Well, I mean first of all
There there was the view you you know things have changed
We live in a live in a different world today
But America in the 18th and 19th centuries was in an aggressively expansionist expanding westward
And that in and that involved taking the land of the indigenous inhabitants
Well, if you're going to take away, you know tens of millions of acres from people and stuff them somewhere else
Then you need a good excuse to do so
So so what you do is you depict them as savages and you say that actually we're doing them a favor
you know, there's that there's a quote I
Put in the in in the book concerning the horrific
Project called the boarding schools project in America where Native American children
About 90% of them were physically removed from their families and stuck in boarding schools in another state far away
punished if they wore any traditional clothing given the whole ideology of Western civilization and
encouraged to cut themselves off from their roots
Well of no wonder we're a species with amnesia
if we take the entire cultural memory banks of the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas and
Deliberately wiped them out. Yeah, and so what are their some of the things that we're going to learn from reading this book?
What are some of the new insights about both North and South America?
That we might have just previously assumed what I did. There's not much happening there and not much we can learn. Yes
Well, there's there's a whole range of things actually the first the first a most important issue to
understand and I've really done a great deal of work on this is that North America was at the epicenter of
a
humongous global Cataclysm and it was particularly bad because it
It was a comet the the evidence is really compelling on this now
There are people who are proposing
Alternatives one thing nobody disagrees on anymore is that there was a cataclysm twelve thousand eight hundred years ago
The best case as far as I'm concerned is the comet case and we have a group of more than sixty leading scientists
Who are making that case very very strongly in the pages of all the mainstream journals
But we have to consider the nature of that Cataclysm
It was very very odd at that time North America had been and the world actually had been emerging from the Ice Age
for several thousand years
The world had been getting warmer. The ice sheets had been getting shallower if they were
let's say two miles deep at
12:21 thousand years ago. They were about a mile deep or less by twelve thousand eight hundred years ago
so the world was warming up and
then something radical happens you get you get a
Massive deep freeze that descends on the planet. So the planet goes back into the
coldest of the Ice Age suddenly literally literally overnight
And and you get at the same time this this massive die-off of animal species and very weirdly
You get a rise in sea level now normally in an episode of freezing
You would not expect the sea level to rise
What you'd expect that extra water to do is to reform as ice on the existing continental ice caps
But it doesn't you get a sudden spike a very rapid spike in sea level right at the beginning of this event
That's very very puzzling
But what can explain it perfectly perfectly is?
the impact of several fragments of a disintegrated comet with the North American ice cap the heat and the shock
generated by those impacts
releases enormous floods of meltwater
which go where they pour
Primarily into the Atlantic Ocean and they're they stop the Gulf Stream in its tracks
The Gulf Stream is part of the central heating system of our planet. It keeps the planet warm. It's part of a global
Meridian or oceanic circulation
That goes on taking warm water from the tropics bringing it up to the north putting it down bringing it round again
it stopped completely for about
1,200 years
At the beginning of this of this episode and that was caused by that release of meltwater
Which is measured in the sea-level rise that we see at that time
Recently just just recently there's been news of the discovery a very large crater in Greenland
Actually 32 kilometers wide it's been discovered with remote sensing and and actually a lot of the evidence
For the cataclysmic event that took place twelve thousand eight hundred years ago does come from Greenland. Why because they have
Had permanent ice cover in Greenland for hundreds of thousands of years right through to today
so they're able to put down big tubular drills deep into the ice and
Bring up a core which will which has different chemical elements at different levels
And from that they can tell what the climate was in the world at that time and more than that
They can tell for example well were wildfires burning
What was was there a huge amount of they call it?
Biomass burning going on that leaves specific chemical signatures in those ice cores in Greenland. The biomass is not burning in Greenland
It's actually burning in North America
but it's carried by the winds the
The smoke and the and the soot are carried by the winds to Greenland and and show up there, you know, so we have this
Discovery of a very large crater in Greenland
We've already had from the ice cores evidence that are called impact proxies for example platinum iridium
melt glass
Nano diamonds they're caused by the heat and shock of an impact
But now we have a 32 kilometers wide crater in Greenland
The scientists who are working on this regardless as a global event. There's evidence of impacts as far south as Antarctica
as far north as Greenland as far east as Syria and
Right the way across the Pacific Ocean as well as a global
It's a global Cataclysm
But the heart of it was North America and the North American ice cap
The Laurentide and the chordal air and ice caps were joined to the Greenland ice cap. They were all they were all one thing
So this is to my mind is likely to prove to be further evidence of the cosmic nature of this
Cataclysm that occurred twelve thousand eight hundred years ago and it's on a it's on a scale that were it to
Repeat in our world today
Which actually is not impossible because the remnants of the original giant comet are still in orbit
And they form a known meteor stream called the torrid meteor stream through which we pass
twice a year
If we were to have another event like the event that happened twelve thousand eight hundred years ago
I can say with absolute confidence that our civilization would not survive it
It would not survive it all these great buildings all this amazing machinery all this tech. None of it would stand us in good stead
We would be we would be gone as a civilization
It would become a punctuation mark in the human story
And when I look at that scenario bearing in mind that we do pass through the torrid media stream twice every year
For 12 days in June and for 12 days in November we pass through it
When when when I look at that situation I ask myself
Who in the planet today?
Would survive a disaster on that scale what kind of people would survive it and I know it wouldn't be me
I know it wouldn't be I know it wouldn't be the majority of
urbanites or indeed scientists
Or or any of the creations of the modern world the people who are really fit
For survival in a world in turmoil are the hunter-gatherers. They're the the meek of the earth
You know the the the in in in Namibia in the Amazon jungle
People whose daily business is survival. They would hardly be knocked sideways by this event
They would just take it in their stride and they would carry on they would not suffer the psychological damage
can you imagine the psychological damage of billions of people who are used to living in the comfort of cities with every
Necessity laid on for them every day without any
Difficulty in acquiring it that suddenly all that stops
Can you imagine the effect of that on on the educated Western mind? It would be extremely bad, but the hunter-gatherers would survive
And I I think that that actually was the case twelve thousand eight hundred years ago as well
I think it was the hunter-gatherers who survived and passed on passed on the message. So so one part of one it is the
I've tried to really bring this home
how Central
America was to to this cataclysmic event that took place
Across the whole world and then consider. What did that? What did that obliterate? What did that event?
Obliterate what did it wipe out from the from the human story. This is the lost civilization
I always talked about this you see when you're when you're looking for a lost civilization and
I mean a civilization something that we would recognize as a civilization
I'll tell you directly I don't think they flew to the moon and I don't think they had airplanes
But I think that we're talking about a civilization
More than 12,000 years ago
which was as advanced as our civilization was say in the
Late 18th century or early 19th century. In other words, they could navigate the world. They could explore the world
They could measure the earth accurately. They had precise astronomy
They could create beautiful maps that were accurate in terms of latitude and longitude that kind of that kind of level of civilization
I think I think that's what was that's what we're sitting there. Now, you need a place where such a civilization can evolve and
You need to explain why archaeology hasn't found it yet, and I've considered many possibilities over the years back in
1995 with fingerprints of the gods Antarctica looked very interesting to me
Later, I became very interested in what's called the Sunda shelf
Which is the area of land around what's now the Malaysian Peninsula and the Indonesian islands out to the Philippines?
That was a continent sized landmass that was above water during the Ice Age and is underwater now
Very interesting to look there and see what's see what's going on there at that one place that nobody ever looked
Precisely because of the ideology precisely because of what we've been taught about. The Americas was the Americas. Nobody looked there
it was not considered worth looking there and I think that's a huge mistake because
it the Americas standout as a candidate with this amazing richness of resources and
The second thing because of the character of the Ice Age there were long periods
When the Americas were cut off from the rest of the world
Cut off from the conflicts and the difficulties going on in the so-called old world
What a beautiful and amazing place for a civilization to evolve a civilization
That was separate that was different that had its own way of doing things
that is that is one of the reasons why I think we'd need to take America very very seriously because we
Now know that the archaeological story we've been taught about the Americas is complete and utter bullshit from beginning to end
Clovis was not first. Clovis was a late comer to the Americas
We know that archaeology has not had its eye on the ball because of Clovis. They've not been considering the pre-clovis ages
It's only now that they're beginning to look at what happened before?
Clovis so they've just closed their eyes
To to all of those possibilities and then of course on top of that you have the massive destruction of that took place
in the Mississippi Valley and across the Americas of Native American culture and of Native American memories
So so we're left with this
puzzling series of
mysteries which need to be explained and
As I go through the research I find certain things
Ringing bells with me. I'm working in the Mississippi Valley. I'm at Moundville in Alabama
And I'm looking at a notice board
It's just the beginning of my research into this into this interesting culture in the Mississippi Valley and
the noticeboard has been put up by the by the site and they're they're telling us about the site and what they say is that
Whole site was about afterlife beliefs
And that it was believed that the that on death the soul of the deceased
would ascend to the constellation of Orion and
Then would pass through the constellation of Orion to the Milky Way and then would make a journey along the Milky Way where?
It would face trials and tribulations and be judged on its behavior during life
The weird thing is that exactly the ancient Egyptian system of religion. It's exactly the system
It's too detailed to be a coincidence
What is that narrow star shaft in the Great Pyramid doing if not pointing at the lowest of the three stars of Orion's belt?
To send the soul of the deceased up to Orion
Then indeed a journey along the Milky Way trials and tribulations and the judgment the same story exactly
But how do we explain that how it can it be a coincidence? No, I don't think so
Details are far too complicated
So what's what's the answer to this could ancient Egypt have directly influenced the Mississippi Valley?
well
No, actually because ancient Egypt has ceased to exist as a civilization by the time that many of the Mississippi Valley sites rose to prominence
Couldn't have happened then
the conclusion I come to is that what we're looking at in both areas in ancient Egypt and
In the Mississippi Valley is a legacy of ideas from a remote common source
Which actually influenced cultures all around the world and it's why we find these astonishing similarities
I think a deliberate effort was made
by the survivors of that Cataclysm
Those who came from the lost civilization a deliberate effort was made by them
to try to restart their civilization and they used the hunter-gatherers with whom they coexisted in the world at that time as
their seed bed to try to plant and
Re-establish these ideas and that's why we find the same ideas cropping up all around the world in cultures
That would definitely were not in contact with one another and trying to explain it by direct contact doesn't work
What does work is going far back 12,000 plus years back?
Going right back to that time when these ideas were seeded all around the world
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