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>> Andrew: GOOD EVENING, I'M
ANDREW CHANG.
TONIGHT, DRAMATIC DETAILS FROM
NOVA SCOTIA.
THE STROKE OF LUCK THAT ENDED A
RAMPAGE AND THE HORRIFIC WAY
THAT IT BEGAN.
>> Adrienne: I'M ADRIENNE
ARSENAULT.
ALSO TONIGHT, DEVASTATION IN
QUÉBEC'S LONG-TERM CARE HOMES.
>> DEHYDRATION, KIDNEY FAILURE.
>> Adrienne: THE PROBLEMS ARE
DEEPER THAN COVID-19.
>> I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT IT.
>> Andrew: HOW SASKATCHEWAN
PLANS TO REOPEN GENTLY.
>> Adrienne: AND CALGARY GETS
HIT HARD AGAIN.
THE STAMPEDE SUCCUMBS TO THE
VIRUS.
>>> THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>>> WE BEGIN WITH DRAMATIC NEW
REVELATIONS FROM THE WEEKEND
MASSACRE IN NOVA SCOTIA,
INCLUDING HOW IT ENDED, AND AN
ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE FLUKE.
>> Andrew: FOR THE SECOND TIME
THIS WEEK THE NOVA SCOTIA RCMP
DECLINED TO GO ON CAMERA TO
UPDATE THEIR INVESTIGATION OR
ANSWER QUESTIONS.
BUT CBC NEWS HAS BEEN DIGGING ON
SEVERAL FRONTS AND TALKING WITH
MULTIPLE SOURCES TO FILL IN THE
GAPS AND TO GET AT THE TRUTH.
KAYLA HOUNSELL BEGINS WITH SOME
OF WHAT WE'VE UNCOVERED USING
AUDIO THAT WE HAVE OBTAINED OF
EMERGENCY DISPATCH MESSAGES.
>> [SIRENS]
>> Reporter: IT WAS HERE IN
THE PORTAPIQUE AREA THAT THE
SHOOTER MADE HIS FIRST STOP IN A
DEADLY PATH OF DESTRUCTION.
NOW CBC NEWS HAS LEARNED THAT IT
ALSO WAS HERE THAT POLICE
ENCOUNTERED A WOMAN WITH WHOM
THE KILLER HAD BEEN IN A
LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP.
SHE HAD BEEN FORCIBLY RESTRAINED
BUT SURVIVED.
IT'S UNCLEAR IF SHE WAS
INJURED OR TO WHAT EXTENT, ONE
PART OF A RAPIDLY MOVING CHAOTIC
SCENE.
>> Reporter: AS DARKNESS
TURNED TO LIGHT, THE MANHUNT
PERSISTED FOR HOURS.
THE RCMP ARE STILL SAYING VERY
LITTLE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
YESTERDAY --
>> I WOULD NOTHING MORE THAN TO
PROVIDE THE MEDIA AND THE PUBLIC
WITH THE TIMELINE, BUT IT IS
LITERALLY STILL A WORK IN
PROGRESS.
AND IT WOULD BE UNFAIR AND
INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO GIVE
THAT OUT IN ITS CURRENT STATE.
WE ARE VERY CLOSE, I WOULD SAY
WITHIN A DAY.
>> Reporter: BUT TODAY THE
FORCE SAID NOTHING AT ALL.
THROUGH MULTIPLE SOURCES, CBC
NEWS HAS LEARNED MORE ABOUT HOW
THE MANHUNT ENDED.
>> ROGER, WE HAVE REPORTS OF THE
SUSPECT DOWN AT THE ENFIELD BIG
STOP.
>> Reporter: POLICE HAVE SAID
THEY
SHOT AND
KILLED THE SUSPECT AT THIS GAS
STATION ON SUNDAY MORNING.
WHAT THEY AREN'T SAYING IS THAT
IT WAS ONLY BY CHANCE.
POLICE HAD TWEETED THAT GABRIEL
WORTMAN WAS NO LONGER DRIVING A
POLICE CRUISER BUT NOW A SILVER
S.U.V.
IN FACT, HE HAD STOLEN ANOTHER
CAR FROM ONE OF ITS VICTIMS,
GINA GOULET.
IT WAS LOW ON GAS.
AND THEN A
REMARKABLE COINCIDENCE.
WHEN HE PULLED UP TO THE IRVING
BIG STOP, THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE
TEAM AND THE CANINE UNIT OFFICER
WERE ALREADY THERE, ALSO FILLING
UP
IN AN UNMARKED VEHICLE.
SOURCES SAY THAT IT WAS ONE OF
THESE OFFICERS WHO SHOT THE
GUNMAN.
YESTERDAY POLICE SAID THEY'RE
HOLDING BACK THE
TIMELINE BECAUSE THERE'S STILL
GAPS IN IT.
THEY SAID ANY MISTAKES
COULD IMPACT BOTH THEIR
INVESTIGATION
AND THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES.
KAYLA HOUNSELL, CBC NEWS,
HALIFAX.
>> Adrienne: SO WHAT ABOUT
THAT ELUSIVE TIMELINE?
ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE DONE OUR OWN
DIGGING TO FILL IN SOME OF THE
PIECES.
THOMAS DAIGLE TAKES US BACK TO
THE START OF THAT RAMPAGE.
>> Reporter: SUNSET IN RURAL
NOVA SCOTIA USUALLY SIGNALS A
QUIET NIGHT AHEAD, BUT NOT THIS
TIME.
>> WE'RE SEEING HUGE FLAMES AND
SMOKE FROM WHERE WE ARE.
>> Reporter: SOON, MORE
BUILDINGS WENT UP IN FLAMES.
SHOTS WERE HEARD ALL AROUND, BUT
HOW MANY WERE DEAD, IT WAS FAR
TOO EARLY TO TELL.
>> THEY'RE SAYING THEY HAVE
DO HAVE ANOTHER VICTIM POSSIBLY
ON THE SCENE.
>> RCMP ARE REQUESTING MORE
AMBULANCES, PROBABLY ONE MORE
COMING, AND THEN AT LEAST ONE
MORE ON STANDBY.
>> Reporter: AT 11:32 p.m.
ON TWITTER ONLY, A FIRST WARNING
FROM POLICE IN PORTAPIQUE TO
AVOID THE AREA.
STAY IN YOUR HOMES WITH THE
DOORS LOCKED.
THEN FOR A FULL 8 1/2 HOURS
THERE WOULD BE NO UPDATE UNTIL
THE RCMP WARNED ON SUNDAY
MORNING OF AN ACTIVE SHOOTER
SITUATION.
BY THEN POLICE KNEW THEY WERE
HUNTING FOR SOMEONE DRESSED JUST
LIKE THEM, DRIVING A CAR JUST
LIKE THEIRS.
BUT THEY KEPT THAT
TO THEMSELVES FOR MORE THAN AN
HOUR.
TWEETING ONLY THE SUSPECT'S NAME
AND PICTURE AT FIRST.
>> THOSE DETAILS CAME IN THEIR
TOTALITY TO US EARLY IN THE
MORNING OF SUNDAY AFTER A KEY
WITNESS WAS LOCATED AND
INTERVIEWED.
>> Reporter: PERHAPS LOST IN
THE SCRAMBLE, A TIP MONTHS
EARLIER THAT GABRIEL WORTMAN HAD
A FULLY MOCKED-UP RCMP CRUISER.
THE GUNMAN'S FORMER EMPLOYER
TELLING US THAT WORTMAN SHOWED
HIM A PICTURE OF THE CAR LAST
YEAR AND THAT POLICE HAD SAID TO
KEEP IT ON A TRAILER AND OFF THE
ROAD.
>> I MEAN, THIS WAS SOMETHING
THAT WAS PROFESSIONALLY DONE.
AND WHAT QUESTIONS WERE ASKED AS
TO WHY HE WAS DOING THIS?
DID HE HOLD HIMSELF OUT AS A
POLICE OFFICER WHEN HE HAD THIS
DONE?
>> Reporter: EVEN SUNDAY
MORNING IT WASN'T UNTIL 10:17
THAT POLICE WARNED NOVA SCOTIANS
THAT THE KILLER MAY BE
IMPERSONATING AN OFFICER.
A POTENT DISGUISE AMID A CHAOTIC
RESPONSE.
THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: SO JUST HOW
CHAOTIC WAS THAT RESPONSE?
WELL, SOME EVIDENCE NOW THAT
POLICE FIRED SHOTS WHEN THE
GUNMAN WAS SEEMINGLY NOWHERE
NEAR.
HERE'S SOME MORE REVELATIONS,
MORE QUESTIONS RAISED.
SUNDAY MORNING, THE ONSLOW
BELMONT FIRE HALL WAS A REFUGE.
FAMILIES WHO HAD FLED PORTAPIQUE
OVERNIGHT WERE THERE REGISTERING
FOR HELP.
DID THEY KNOW THAT A SIX-MINUTE
DRIVE AWAY THERE WAS PANIC?
10:12 a.m., THIS ALERT --
WHATEVER DREW THE EMERGENCY
SERVICES ENDED FAST.
10:20 --
>> THE RCMP WISHES TO CLEAR THE
SCENE.
>> COPY THAT.
I'LL SEND OUT A STAND DOWN PAGE.
>> Adrienne: LESS THAN 10
MINUTES LATER MAYHEM AT THE FIRE
HALL.
>> I SAW A POLICE CAR, OR WHAT I
THOUGHT WAS A POLICE CAR, PULL
UP JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
FIRE HALL.
AND BOTH
DOORS OPENED AND TWO POLICEMEN
GOT OUT AND STARTED SHOOTING
TOWARDS THE BUILDING, THE FIRE
HALL.
SO I DUCKED DOWN AND YELLED TO
MY HUSBAND TO GET DOWN AND THEN
I LOOKED A LITTLE LATER AND I
SAW A GUY CROUCHED DOWN BETWEEN
THE TWO CARS AND THE BUILDING BY
THE FIRE HALL.
>> Adrienne: LOOK AT THE
DAMAGE FROM THE BULLET HOLES.
IN A FACEBOOK POST THE FIRE
CHIEF WROTE, THE GUNFIRE CAUSED
CONSIDERABLE DAMAGE TO OUR
PROPERTY, INCLUDING TAKING ONE
OF OUR TRUCKS OUT OF SERVICE.
THE POST HAS NOW BEEN DELETED.
>> WHY WERE THE POLICE FIRING AT
THE BUILDING?
WHY DID THEY PULL IN AND START
SHOOTING RIGHT AWAY?
THERE'S JUST A WHOLE LOT OF
UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
>> Adrienne: WE KNOW NOW FROM
THE TIMESTAMP OF THIS VIDEO THAT
AT 10:54 a.m., THE GUNMAN WAS
IN MILLBROOK, LIKELY TOO FAR TO
SUGGEST THAT HE'D BEEN AT THE
FIRE HALL.
THE POLICE WATCHDOG IS
INVESTIGATING.
>> TWO POLICE OFFICERS ARE
ALLEGED TO HAVE DISCHARGED THEIR
FIREARMS, FIRING THEIR GUNS, BUT
NOT AT EACH OTHER.
>> Adrienne: SO WHAT WAS
HAPPENING?
WE DON'T YET KNOW.
BUT WITHIN THE HOUR THE GUNMAN
WAS DEAD.
NEW TRAUMAS WERE JUST BEGINNING.
OF COURSE AT THE CENTRE OF
THIS STORY ARE THE 22 NOVA
SCOTIANS WHOSE LIVES WERE CUT
SHORT LAST WEEKEND -- MOTHERS,
FATHERS, SONS, DAUGHTERS,
BELOVED COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS.
TOMORROW NIGHT CBC IS CARRYING A
SPECIAL VIRTUAL VIGIL PUT
TOGETHER BY THE COMMUNITY OF
COLCHESTER.
YOU CAN WATCH IT STARTING AT
6:00 p.m. EASTERN ON CBC NEWS
NETWORK AND IN ATLANTIC CANADA
YOU CAN WATCH ON CBC TELEVISION
AT 7:00 p.m. ATLANTIC.
>> Andrew: TURNING TO THIS
COUNTRY'S OTHER MAJOR STORY,
THERE ARE NOW MORE THAN 42,000
CANADIAN CASES OF COVID-19.
AND AS ECONOMIC PAIN AND
RESTLESSNESS GROWS, A FOCUS FOR
THE OFFICIALS IS THE CONTINUING
THREAT TO LIVES.
>> WE ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH
ABOUT THE TRAJECTORY OF THIS
VIRUS.
WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT IT EVERY
DAY.
>> Andrew: IT WE LOOK OVER
TIME AT DEATHS PER 100,000
PEOPLE, WE CAN CHART COVID-19'S
IMPACT ON CANADA'S POPULATION.
IT'S FARING BETTER THAN SOME OF
THE WORLD'S HARDEST HIT
COUNTRIES LIKE ITALY, THE U.K.
AND THE U.S.
BUT NOT QUITE
MATCHING GERMANY'S PATH.
SO WHAT IS DRIVING DEATH HERE?
WELL, BASED ON THE INCOMPLETE
DATA THAT WE HAVE SO FAR, OF THE
MORE THAN 2,200 COVID-19 DEATHS
IN CANADA, ABOUT 65% ARE IN
LONG-TERM CARE HOMES.
SCENES LIKE THIS ONE ON THE
FRONT PAGE OF TODAY'S "TORONTO
SUN,"
HITTING CLOSE TO HOME FOR
ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG FORD.
>> THAT'S HEARTBREAKING.
YOU KNOW, I RELATE TO IT IN MY
OWN FAMILY AS I MENTIONED WITH
MY WIFE CARLA.
ANYWAYS, THE SYSTEM WILL HAVE TO
DO BETTER.
>> Andrew: FORD'S OFFICE
CONFIRMED THAT HIS 95-YEAR-OLD
MOTHER-IN-LAW HAS TESTED
POSITIVE FOR COVID-19.
BUT QUÉBEC'S LONG-TERM CARE
CRISIS IS EVEN WORSE THAN THE
REST OF CANADA'S.
AND ALISON NORTHCOTT FOUND SIGNS
THAT THE THREAT TO SENIORS'
LIVES RUNS DEEPER THAN JUST THE
CORONAVIRUS.
>> Reporter: AT THIS MONTRÉAL
HOSPITAL, DR. VINH-KIM NGUYEN
SAYS THAT
HE'S SEEN AN UPTICK OF PATIENTS
COMING FROM LONG-TERM CARE HOMES
WITH SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS
BEYOND COVID-19.
>> PROBLEMS THAT ARE OF MORE
GENERAL
DETERIORATION, DEHYDRATION,
KIDNEY FAILURE, RATHER THAN
FEVER AND PNEUMONIA PER SE.
>> Reporter: THE SIGN THAT HE
SAYS THAT SOME HOMES ARE
STRUGGLING TO MEET THE
RESIDENTS' BASIC NEEDS.
>> CLEARLY, SOME OF THE
RESIDENCES AND SOME OF THE
FACILITIES ARE OVERWHELMED, AND
THEY'RE SENDING US PATIENTS THEY
JUST DON'T FEEL THEY HAVE THE
STAFF TO CARE FOR.
>> Reporter: 80% OF QUÉBEC'S
COVID-19 DEATHS HAVE BEEN IN
LONG-TERM CARE OR SENIORS'
HOMES.
SOME DEALING WITH MAJOR
OUTBREAKS AND A CRITICAL
SHORTAGE OF WORKERS.
>> LACK OF FOOD.
LACK OF REGULAR MEALS.
AND DEHYDRATION.
>> Reporter: DEBBIE NEWTON
BELIEVES THAT IS WHAT LED TO HER
MOTHER NANCY'S DEATH AT A HOME
EARLIER THIS MONTH.
SHE SAYS HER HEALTH DETERIORATED
AFTER THE PROVINCE BANNED
CAREGIVERS FROM COMING IN TO
HELP WITH REGULAR STAFF.
>> YOU WANT TO DIE WITH DIGNITY
AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DIE FROM A
LACK OF CARE.
THE SYSTEM DIDN'T -- EVEN BEFORE
ANY OF THIS -- DIDN'T HAVE
ENOUGH STAFF.
>> Reporter: THE HEAD OF THE
COMPANY THAT OWNS THAT HOME SAYS
THAT ITS RESIDENTS ARE NOT DYING
FROM A LACK OF CARE.
AND THE PROVINCE SAYS THEY'RE
NOW
ALLOWING SOME CAREGIVERS BACK IN
TO SOME HOMES.
>> SOME OF THEM ARE LITERALLY
ABANDONED.
>> Reporter: BUT IT'S TOO
LATE, SAYS THIS ADVOCATE WHO
HAS FILED A HUMAN RIGHTS
COMPLAINT.
>> THESE PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY
INFRINGED AND VIOLATED IN THEIR
CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHTS TO SAFETY, TO INTEGRITY
AND TO DIGNITY.
AND THAT'S SO SHAMEFUL.
>> I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THOSE
STORIES MORE THAN YOU, BUT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO OUR BEST IN ORDER
THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TOO MANY
TIMES.
>> Reporter: THE PROVINCE HAS
ASKED FOR THE HELP OF 1,000
MORE SOLDIERS TO HELP TO FILL
THE NEED LEFT
BY NEARLY 10,000 HEALTH CARE
WORKERS OFF SICK OR AFRAID.
ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS,
MONTRÉAL.
>> Adrienne: IN CARE HOMES
IT IS LIVES AT STAKE.
ACROSS THE COUNTRY IT IS ALSO
LIVELIHOODS.
MOST SMALLER BUSINESSES ARE
EITHER SHUT DOWN OR STRUGGLING
TO STAY OPEN.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS LOANED THEM A
LIFELINE, BUT AS ASHLEY BURKE
EXPLAINS, IT MIGHT NOT BE
REACHING THOSE WHO NEED IT.
>> Reporter: FOR DECADES,
FRANÇOIS BRUNEAU HAS BEEN
HANDCRAFTING
MUSKOKA CHAIRS FOR CLIENTS
AROUND THE WORLD.
A BUSINESS THAT HIS
FATHER PASSED DOWN THAT HE FEARS
COULD COLLAPSE WITHOUT A BANK
LOAN.
>> WELL IT COULD BE THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SURVIVING AND
NOT.
>> Reporter: HE LOST 75% OF
HIS BUSINESS BECAUSE OF
COVID-19.
SO HE TURNED TO EXPORT
DEVELOPMENT CANADA FOR HELP.
>> THEY TOLD ME THAT I'D BE
AVAILABLE FOR HELP THROUGH THEIR
B-CAP PROGRAMME, WHICH THEY
GUARANTEE LOANS TO SMALL AND
MEDIUM-SIZED BUSINESSES FOR UP
TO 80%.
>> Reporter: BUT HIS BANK TOLD
HIM THAT SMALL BUSINESS CLIENTS
ARE NOT ELIGIBLE, ONLY COMPANIES
WITH MORE THAN $15 MILLION IN
REVENUES.
>> I THINK THAT THIS IS WRONG.
>> STARTED IN 1876 --
>> Reporter: THE OWNER OF THIS
FAMILY MAPLE SYRUP BUSINESS
APPLIED FOR THE SAME LOAN AND HE
SAYS IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE.
>> I FEEL THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
LIP SERVICE BEING DONE AND A LOT
OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO
SUPPORT THE SMALL BUSINESS.
BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF ACTION,
I GUESS.
>> Reporter: EXPORT
DEVELOPMENT CANADA SAYS THAT
SEVERAL FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS
ARE ALREADY LOOKING TO MAKE THE
LOAN ACCESSIBLE TO MORE SMALL
BUSINESSES.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S
UP TO THE BANKS.
>> BECAUSE THIS IS DONE IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FINANCIAL
INSTITUTIONS, IT REALLY IS UP TO
EACH FINANCIAL INSTITUTION TO
SET ITS OWN CRITERIA AND ENGAGE
WITH ITS OWN DEFINITION, REALLY,
OF WHAT A SMALL BUSINESS PERSON
WOULD BE.
>> THE GOVERNMENT GUARANTEED US
TO
NOT THROW THE BANK RULES OUT THE
WINDOW.
THOSE RULES REQUIRE A DUE
DILIGENCE INVESTIGATION OF THE
FULL APPLICATION.
>> Reporter: LEE ALSO SAYS
THAT BANKS WOULD BE ON THE HOOK
FOR 20% OF THE LOAN IF IT CAN'T
BE REPAID.
>> THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR MONEY
BACK IN THE END AND, YOU KNOW, I
KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE
HURTING AS BUSINESSES AND SO ARE
MANY OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES.
>> Reporter: FOR ITS PART,
THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THIS IS A
BIG PROGRAMME.
AND WHILE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN
SMALL
BUSINESSES AND BANKS ARE GOING
WELL, THEY EXPECT INDIVIDUAL
CHALLENGES.
ASHLEY BURKE, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.
>> Andrew: SIX WEEKS AFTER THE
PANDEMIC WAS DECLARED, PROVINCES
ARE PLANNING THEIR COMEBACKS,
BUT WITH THE VIRUS HITTING SOME
PARTS OF CANADA HARDER THAN
OTHERS, TIMELINES WILL VARY.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: WHAT WE'RE DOING IS
AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL IS TO
ATTEMPT
TO PULL TOGETHER AND
TO COORDINATE ALL DIFFERENT
PROVINCES SO THAT WE ARE WORKING
FROM A SIMILAR SET OF GUIDELINES
AND PRINCIPLES.
>> Andrew: P.E.I. SAID THIS
WEEK THAT IT HOPES TO RE-OPEN
BUSINESSES IN EARLY MAY.
MANITOBA WANTS TO EASE
RESTRICTIONS IN THE COMING
WEEKS.
BUT TODAY SASKATCHEWAN BECAME
THE FIRST PROVINCE TO OUTLINE A
CONCRETE STEP-BY-STEP PLAN TO DO
JUST THAT.
BONNIE ALLEN SHOWS US HOW IT
WILL WORK.
>> Reporter: YES, PEOPLE ARE
HAPPY, BUT NOT LIKE THIS -- AND
THIS WON'T HAPPEN FOR A LONG
TIME.
>> TODAY I'M ANNOUNCING OUR PLAN
TO GRADUALLY AND CAUTIOUSLY AND
METHODICALLY TO RE-OPEN
BUSINESSES.
>> Reporter: IT'S A
FIVE-PHASED PLAN THAT STARTS THE
FIRST MONDAY IN MAY.
THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE CAN ACCESS
MEDICAL SERVICES, THE DENTIST OR
THE PHYSICAL THERAPIST.
BY MID-MAY THEY CAN HIT THE GOLF
COURSE.
IN PHASE TWO RETAIL OUTLETS AND
HAIR SALONS CAN RE-OPEN THEIR
DOORS WITH CAMPGROUNDS NOT FAR
BEHIND.
>> I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT IT.
>> Reporter: BUSINESSES MUST
ENFORCE PHYSICAL DISTANCING AND
STRINGENT CLEANING.
>> WE CAN WEAR MASKS.
AND WE CAN LIMIT OUR NUMBERS OF
PEOPLE IN THE SALON.
WE CAN LIMIT HOW FAR APART THE
CLIENTS ARE.
>> Reporter: BUT ANNABEL
TOWNSEND IS NOT AS EXCITED.
SHE PLANS TO DELAY THE OPENING
OF HER BOOKSTORE.
>> BOOKS ARE NOT THE SORT OF
THINGS THAT YOU CAN DISINFECT
EASILY.
AND EVEN IF I PUT A
SCREEN UP OR WEAR A MASK WHILE
I'M SERVING CUSTOMERS OR
ANYTHING, IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP
PEOPLE THUMBING THROUGH BOOKS
AND BROWSING.
>> Reporter: PLUS SHE HAS
CHILDREN AND SCHOOLS REMAIN
CLOSED.
THE OWNER OF THIS
RESTAURANT FEELS THE SAME.
>> PART OF ME WANTS IT TO BE
OPEN.
AND THE OTHER HALF OF ME IS
SCARED OF A SPIKE.
>> Reporter: THE FINAL PHASES
DON'T HAVE SET DATES, IT DEPENDS
ON THE NUMBER OF COVID-19 CASES.
BUT PHASE THREE WOULD INCLUDE
OPENING UP RESTAURANTS AND BARS
AT 50% CAPACITY AS WELL AS
DAYCARES.
POOLS AND PLAYGROUNDS FOLLOW,
LARGE GATHERINGS WOULD BE LAST.
RESTRICTIONS ON TRAVEL AND
SENIORS' CARE HOMES REMAIN IN
EFFECT INDEFINITELY.
>> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO
DO IS TO THINK ABOUT NEW CASES
THAT ARE GOING TO WALK, DRIVE,
OR FLY BACK INTO THE PROVINCE.
AND THAT'S WHERE AN EMPHASIS
ON TESTING IS GOING TO BE VERY
IMPORTANT.
>> Reporter: AND THIS PLAN IS
FOR SASKATCHEWAN RESIDENTS.
IT'S NOT AN INVITATION TO OTHER
CANADIANS TO COME HERE FOR A
GOLF GAME AND HAIRCUT.
BONNIE ALLEN, CBC NEWS, REGINA.
>> Adrienne: FOR THE FIRST
TIME IN ALMOST A CENTURY SINCE
IT BECAME AN ANNUAL EVENT, THE
CALGARY STAMPEDE WILL NOT GO
AHEAD THIS SUMMER.
AS ERIN COLLINS EXPLAINS,
OFFICIALS SAY IT'S JUST TOO
RISKY.
>> Reporter: THE CALGARY
STAMPEDE HAS BUCKED AND ROPED
ITS WAY THROUGH EVERYTHING FROM
WORLD WARS TO THE GREAT
DEPRESSION OVER THE YEARS.
NOT EVEN THE FLOODWATERS THAT
ENVELOPED THIS CITY AND THE
GROUNDS IN 2013 COULD STOP IT.
BACK THEN ORGANIZERS SAID THAT
THE SHOW WOULD GO ON, COME HELL
OR HIGH WATER.
BUT EVEN FROM THE COWBOYS WHO
COUNT ON IT MOST, NO SUCH
BRAVADO THIS TIME.
>> THE HEALTH OF OUR FANS AND
OUR SPONSORS AND THE SUPPORTERS
AND THE PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEER AT
THESE VENUES, THE PEOPLE THAT
WORK
FOR US BEHIND THE SCENES AT THE
BARNS, THERE'S NO NEED TO PUT
THEM AT RISK FOR CHUCKWAGON
RACING.
>> Reporter: OF COURSE, THE
STAMPEDE IS MORE THAN JUST A
RODEO, IT'S A SYMBOL OF CIVIC
PRIDE, ATTRACTING TOURISTS FROM
AROUND THE WORLD AND PUMPING
AROUND HALF A BILLION DOLLARS
INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
ITS CANCELLATION IS ANOTHER BLOW
FOR THE CITY.
>> A TRIPLE WHAMMY IS THE PUBLIC
HEALTH IMPACTS AND THE GLOBAL
RECESSION THAT'S BEING BROUGHT
ON BY THE VIRUS, AND THE
NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN CHALLENGES IN
THE ENERGY SECTOR IN OIL AND
GAS.
>> Reporter: THE STAMPEDE MAY
BE DOWN AND OUT THIS YEAR, BUT
ORGANIZERS SAY THAT THE GREATEST
OUTDOOR SHOW ON EARTH WILL
SURELY RIDE AGAIN.
ERIN COLLINS, CBC NEWS, CALGARY.
>> Adrienne: ALBERTA,
MEANWHILE, REPORTED TWO MORE
DEATHS TODAY AS A RESULT OF
COVID-19.
BOTH ARE LINKED TO THE J.B.S.
MEAT PLANT SOUTHEAST OF CALGARY.
TO DATE, THE PLANT IN BROOKS HAS
SEEN 124 CASES WITH MORE
POSITIVE RESULTS EXPECTED IN THE
COMING DAYS.
THIS IS THE SECOND PLANT IN THE
PROVINCE DEALING WITH A MAJOR
OUTBREAK.
THE CARGILL FACILITY IN HIGH
RIVER WAS FORCED TO CLOSE AFTER
BEING LINKED TO NEARLY 500
CASES.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE
AN ADDITIONAL $1.1 BILLION FOR A
NATIONAL MEDICAL AND RESEARCH
STRATEGY.
>> Adrienne: AND THERE'S MAJOR
MONEY ANNOUNCED IN OTTAWA TODAY
TOWARDS THE SCIENTIFIC FIGHT
AGAINST COVID-19.
THE FUNDS WILL BE ALLOCATED
TOWARDS DEVELOPING TREATMENTS,
TESTING CANADIANS, AND
DISCOVERING A VACCINE.
AND CANADA'S CITIES ARE ASKING
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR
$10 BILLION TO $15 BILLION IN
EMERGENCY FUNDS AS THEY DEAL
WITH THE FINANCIAL CRISIS
BROUGHT ON BY COVID-19.
THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN
MUNICIPALITIES SAYS THAT THE
PANDEMIC HAS LED TO A PLUNGE OF
REVENUES FROM SERVICES LIKE
TRANSIT AND RECREATIONAL
FACILITIES.
>> Andrew: MOST CLINICS AND
DOCTORS OFFICES HAVE CHANGED
PROCEDURES DURING THE PANDEMIC,
INCLUDING SEEING PATIENTS
VIRTUALLY.
BUT SOME THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN
IN PERSON.
VACCINATION IS ONE OF THEM.
AND VIK ADHOPIA TELLS US WHY THE
DOCTORS ARE WARNING ABOUT THE
RISKS OF PUTTING THOSE ON HOLD.
>> Reporter: IN AN ALLEY OFF A
MAIN ROAD IS A STREET CLINIC
LIKE NO OTHER.
THE PATIENTS ARE ALL BABIES HERE
FOR THEIR REGULAR VACCINES.
THE CRIES OF VIOLET MOLLETT ARE
OFFERING A KIND OF RELIEF FOR
HER MOM.
>> WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE WERE
KEEPING ON TOP OF HER SCHEDULE,
AND WE WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE OF
WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT
WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO
DO THAT.
>> PATIENTS ARE REALLY SCARED OF
COMING INTO THE CLINIC, SO THIS
IS A WAY FOR US TO VACCINATE OUR
CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY WHILE
AT THE SAME TIME LIMITING OUR
P.P.E. BURN RATE.
>> Reporter: WITH DAYCARES AND
SCHOOLS CLOSED, IMMUNIZATION
REQUIREMENTS AREN'T BEING
ENFORCED AND PHYSICAL DISTANCING
DOESN'T OFFER UNIVERSAL
PROTECTION AGAINST DISEASES.
>> MENINGITIS CAN BE ACQUIRED
FROM A COMPLETELY HEALTHY CHILD
OR ADULT WHO CARRIES THE
BACTERIA IN THEIR NOSE OR
THROAT.
THEY MIGHT HAVE OLDER CHILDREN
IN THEIR OWN HOME WHO HAS THAT
BACTERIA AND WHO COULD THEN
SPREAD IT TO THE YOUNGER CHILD.
>> Reporter: GLOBALLY, CHILD
IMMUNIZATION RATES HAVE BEEN
MAKING HISTORIC PROGRESS, STILL,
WHEN IT COMES TO MEASLES, 10%
AREN'T VACCINATED.
SO OUTBREAKS CONTINUE, EVEN IN
DEVELOPED COUNTRIES.
AND FEW PLACES ACTUALLY HAVE
ENOUGH CHILDREN IMMUNIZED TO
ENSURE HERD IMMUNITY.
>> MEASLES ANYWHERE IS MEASLES
EVERYWHERE.
>> Reporter: THE W.H.O.
WORRIES THAT HARD-WON GAINS
COULD BE LOST IF DELAYS IN
VACCINATIONS GO FROM WEEKS TO
MONTHS.
>> NOT IMMUNIZING A GROUP OF
INFANTS IS GOING TO LEAD TO A
LARGE NUMBER OF KIDS WHO ARE NOT
IMMUNE.
AND WE HAVE A REALLY BIG
ISSUE THEN OF OUTBREAKS OF
DISEASE HAPPENING.
NON-COVID OUTBREAKS.
AND THAT WOULD BE REALLY BAD.
>> Reporter: THE W.H.O.
RECENTLY LISTED VACCINE
HESITANCY NEXT TO PANDEMICS AS
GLOBAL PUBLIC HEALTH THREATS.
IF ANYTHING, COVID-19 IS A
REMINDER OF WHAT LIFE COULD BE
LIKE IF CHILDREN MISSED THEIR
VACCINES.
VIK ADHOPIA, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: TONIGHT IS THE
FIRST NIGHT OF RAMADAN, A TIME
OF FASTING AND PRAYER.
AND USUALLY IT WOULD ALSO BE A
TIME FOR FAMILY AND COMMUNITY
GATHERINGS, BUT NOT THIS YEAR.
CHRIS GLOVER SHOWS US HOW SOME
MUSLIMS IN CANADA ARE ADAPTING.
>> HE'S PUTTING UP A SIGN, THAT
MEANS HAPPY RAMADAN.
>> Reporter: JUST LIKE THE
LITTLE MONKEY IN HER BOOK, THE
3-YEAR-OLD IS CURIOUS ABOUT
RAMADAN.
HER DAD IS CURIOUS ABOUT HOW IT
WILL WORK THIS YEAR TOO.
>> WITH THE FRIDGE IN CLOSE
PROXIMITY, THE DISTRACTIONS WILL
BE MUCH
MORE DIFFICULT TO MANAGE.
>> Reporter: AS IS MUSLIM
TRADITION, THE VANCOUVER PARENTS
WILL ABSTAIN FROM FOOD, EVEN
WATER, SUNRISE TO SUNSET FOR THE
MONTH OF RAMADAN.
>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO REALLY
MISS HAVING BIGGER DINNER
PARTIES TO CELEBRATE THE END OF
THE FAST.
>> Reporter: ABSTAINING FROM
ONE ANOTHER DUE TO COVID-19 WILL
BE AN EVEN BIGGER TEST OF FAITH.
>> THIS PANDEMIC IS ACTUALLY
GIVING MUSLIMS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
NOW PRACTISE THAT
SELF-DISCIPLINE.
>> CHICKEN AND RICE...
>> Reporter: DELIVERING FOOD
TO THOSE IN NEED IN TORONTO,
SUREYA IBRAHIM
SAYS THAT GIVING REMAINS THE
TRUE MEANING OF RAMADAN.
>> THE ESSENTIAL CHARITY THAT WE
WILL CONTINUE TO DO.
AND IT WON'T BE HERE DEFINITELY,
BUT HERE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
ARE HELPING OUT.
>> A MOSQUE IN WHICH WE ARE
UNITED.
>> Reporter: FROM ENCOURAGING
DONATIONS TO ORPHANS OVERSEAS TO
DELIVERING THOUSANDS OF COVID
RELIEF KITS ACROSS CANADA,
MUSLIMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN
HELPING DURING THE PANDEMIC.
THIS IMAM'S TORONTO-AREA MOSQUE
DONATED $25,000 WORTH OF
PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT TO
THE LOCAL HOSPITAL.
>> IT'S FORCED US TO COME
TOGETHER AS, YOU KNOW, HUMANITY
WRIT LARGE TO WORK WITH ONE
ANOTHER.
>> Reporter: SINCE PEOPLE
CAN'T PHYSICALLY COME TOGETHER,
A NATIONAL MUSLIM ORGINISATION
IS HOSTING NIGHTLY VIRTUAL
EVENTS.
>> WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE
PEOPLE THAT SPIRITUAL BOOST FOR
THE NIGHT AT HOME.
>> HOPEFULLY ALL OF US CAN TAKE
MOMENTS IN OUR DAY TO ALSO BE
GRATEFUL FOR WHAT WE HAVE.
>> Reporter: ESPECIALLY AMID
THE LONELINESS, THAT LESSON IS
MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER.
CHRIS GLOVER, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: IN AN ELECTION
YEAR WITH NO RALLIES, PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAS FOUND A WAY TO
CAMPAIGN ANYWAY.
>> President Donald Trump: YOU
KNOW YOU'RE A FAKE, YOU KNOW
THAT?
>> Adrienne: UP NEXT, HOW HE'S
USING HIS PANDEMIC PRESS
BRIEFINGS TO GET OUT HIS
POLITICAL MESSAGE.
>> Andrew: PLUS, IT'S "AT
ISSUE" NIGHT.
ROSIE AND THE GANG ON HOW THE
PROVINCES ARE HANDLING COVID-19
AND THE PLANS TO RE-OPEN.
>> Adrienne: AND JOKES FOR
SALE.
>> WHAT DID THE PIRATE SAY TO
THE PLANET?
>> Adrienne: THE
VANCOUVER ISLAND KID WHO IS
ABOUT
TO BRIGHTEN YOUR DAY.
WE'RE BACK IN TWO.
(*)
>> President Donald Trump:
THERE IS A PENT-UP DEMAND IN OUR
COUNTRY TO GET IT BACK RIGHT
WHERE IT WAS AND MAYBE EVEN
BETTER, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN.
>> Adrienne: THE AMERICAN
PRESIDENT CALLED FOR CONTINUED
DILIGENCE TODAY WHILE EYEING A
PHASED RE-OPENING OF THE
ECONOMY.
BUT EVEN HE HAS SAID THAT
GEORGIA'S PLAN TO GET BUSINESSES
BACK UP AND RUNNING TOMORROW IS
TOO SOON.
MINNESOTA AND TENNESSEE ARE
AIMING FOR NEXT WEEK, BUT THE
UNITED STATES IS STILL VERY MUCH
IN CRISIS.
THERE ARE NEARLY 900,000 CASES
OF COVID-19 THERE, WITH MORE
THAN 49,000 DEATHS.
AT HIS DAILY PRESS BRIEFINGS,
DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF
SENDING MIXED MESSAGES,
SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION, AND
NOW AS KATIE SIMPSON TELLS US,
OF CAMPAIGNING FOR VOTES.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Reporter: ALWAYS THE
SHOWMAN, THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE
THE PRESIDENT APPEARS MORE AT
EASE.
NOW UNABLE TO CAMPAIGN BECAUSE
OF CORONAVIRUS, DONALD TRUMP HAS
FOUND A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE SHOW STILL GOES ON.
>> President Donald Trump: I'M
THE PRESIDENT AND YOU'RE FAKE
NEWS.
AND STATES THAT SEEM TO
HAVE THE PROBLEM HAPPEN TO BE
DEMOCRAT.
I'M NOT A DOCTOR.
I'M LIKE A PERSON WHO HAS A
GOOD -- YOU KNOW WHAT --
>> Reporter: THE WHITE HOUSE
CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE BRIEFING
HAS BECOME IN PART A
VEHICLE FOR TRUMP TO DELIVER
CAMPAIGN-STYLE ATTACKS.
>> President Donald Trump:
SLEEPY JOE, HE'S CONSTANTLY
NAMING THE WRONG STATE.
HAS SLEEPY JOE WON?
THEY OWN OUR COUNTRY.
AND YOU WONDER WHY THE PRESS IS
IN
HYSTERIA MODE.
CNN, FAKE NEWS AND THE CAMERA
JUST WENT OFF.
AS I SAY, IT'S FAKE NEWS AND CNN
IS FAKE NEWS LIKE CRAZY.
AND THEY JUST HAD THE WRONG
STORY, WHICH IS THEY KNEW.
>> THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN
OUTSTANDING.
>> Reporter: THEN THERE WAS
THE DAY THAT HE TRIED TO RE-CAST
HIS HANDLING OF THE OUTBREAK,
USING THE PUBLIC HEALTH BRIEFING
TO PLAY WHAT LOOKED LIKE A
RE-ELECTION AD, HIGHLIGHTING
ONLY POSITIVE TAKES ON HIS
RESPONSE.
>> HIS BASE IS GOING TO LOVE
EVERYTHING THAT HE IS SAYING.
AND HE'S MAKING THE BET THAT HE
CAN WIN
RE-ELECTION WITH DIVIDING THE
COUNTRY THAT WAY AND JUST EKE
OUT A WIN.
>> President Donald Trump:
750 MILLION --
>> Reporter: CABLE NEWS
NETWORKS ARE STRUGGLING WITH
WHETHER TO AIR THE BRIEFINGS
LIVE SINCE THERE'S VITAL
INFORMATION IN AND AROUND THE
RHETORIC.
>> I THINK THAT IT'S
INDEFENSIBLE TO NOT COVER THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
IF THEY WANT TO PROVIDE ANALYSIS
AND FACT-CHECK THEY CAN DO THAT
ALL NIGHT.
THEY HAVE ALL OF THE HOURS IN
THE DAY TO DO THAT.
>> Reporter: THE PRESIDENT
KNOWS THESE BRIEFINGS ARE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO 
AMERICANS.
AND SINCE HE FEELS HE'S BEEN
COVERED UNFAIRLY
BY THE PRESS, EXPECT HIM TO
CONTINUE.
KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
>> Adrienne: STILL AHEAD ON
"THE NATIONAL"... PANDEMIC
POLITICS ON THIS SIDE OF THE
BORDER.
WITH EACH PROVINCE CHARTING A
DIFFERENT PATH TO RE-OPENING,
ROSIE AND THE "AT ISSUE" GANG ON
HOW OTTAWA PLANS TO MANAGE IT
ALL.
>> Andrew: AS WE DO EVERY
NIGHT WE TAKE YOUR COVID-19
QUESTIONS, INCLUDING THIS ONE
ABOUT DISINFECTING THINGS.
IF THE VIRUS ONLY SURVIVES FOR
TWO DAYS ON A SURFACE, CAN I
BASICALLY DISINFECT EVERYTHING
BY JUST LETTING IT SIT?
WE'RE BACK AFTER THIS.
(*)
(*)
>> Andrew: WELCOME BACK.
TIME TO GET TO YOUR COVID-19
QUESTIONS.
DR. SAMIR GUPTA IS JOINING US
RIGHT NOW.
LET'S GET TO OUR FIRST QUESTION.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO BUILD UP
IMMUNITY BY BEING EXPOSED TO
SMALLER DOSES OF THE VIRUS OVER
TIME?
I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT.
>> YES, I GUESS THAT IT'S THE
PRINCESS BRIDE APPROACH.
IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO WORK
THAT WAY.
FOR OUR BODY TO SORT OF MOUNT
WHAT WE CALL AN IMMUNE RESPONSE
FOR OUR CELLS TO PRODUCE
THOSE ANTIBODIES TO THE VIRUS,
OUR BODY REALLY NEEDS EXPOSURE
TO THE VIRUS.
THE VIRUS NEEDS TO GET IN.
SO IN THAT SENSE IT'S AN
ALL-OR-NONE BECAUSE
YOU HAVE TO GET INFECTED TO HAVE
THAT IMMUNITY TO IT.
I WILL SAY THAT
NOT ALL INFECTIONS ARE THE SAME
THOUGH.
YOU MIGHT HAVE A CASUAL
ENCOUNTER AND HAVE A LOW DOSE OF
VIRUS EXPOSURE AND THAT MIGHT
LEAD TO A MORE MILD INFECTION.
WHEREAS IF YOU'RE A HEALTH CARE
WORKER
AND DEALING WITH A SICK PATIENT
YOU MIGHT HAVE A HIGH VIRAL DOSE
EXPOSURE AND THAT MIGHT BE A
MORE SEVERE INFECTION.
>> Andrew: OKAY.
HERE'S A
CRYSTAL BALL QUESTION AS I LIKE
TO CALL THEM.
WHEN WILL THE SECOND WAVE COME
IN CANADA?
>> I THINK THAT THE SECOND WAVE
QUESTION REALLY DEPENDS ON TWO
THINGS.
ONE IS THE BIOLOGY OF THE VIRUS
ITSELF.
AND THE SECOND IS THE DECISIONS
THAT WE MAKE AS A SOCIETY WITH
RESPECT TO EASING SOCIAL
DISTANCING RESTRICTIONS.
WITH RESPECT TO THE BIOLOGY, YOU
KNOW, IT'S A NOVEL VIRUS SO WE
DON'T REALLY KNOW.
BUT WE MIGHT
DRAW PARALLELS FROM OTHER
CORONAVIRUS THAT CAUSE THE
COMMON COLD.
THOSE VIRUSES DO TEND TO GET
WORSE IN THE SPRING AND WINTER.
AND BECAUSE OF HEAT AND
HUMIDITY, WHERE
THEY SEEM TO BE LESS STABLE AND
THEY SEEM TO GO DOWN IN THE
SUMMER.
SO WE MIGHT SEE A BREAK AND A
SECOND WAVE IN THE FALL AND THE
WINTER.
BUT THAT IDEA OF A SUMMER LULL
MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF WISHFUL
THINKING AS WELL, BECAUSE WE ARE
SEEING A LOT OF THIS CORONAVIRUS
TRANSMISSION
IN WARMER PARTS OF THE WORLD,
LIKE INDIA NOW.
AND THE SECOND PIECE HAS TO DO
WITH WHAT WE DO WITH RESPECT TO
SOCIAL DISTANCING.
AND WE HAVE SEEN NOW IN A FEW
COUNTRIES, IN SINGAPORE AND
JAPAN AND NOW IN INDIA, WE HAVE
SEEN THE SECOND WAVE OCCUR
BECAUSE OF THE RELAXING OF THESE
SOCIAL DISTANCING RULES.
SO THAT'S REALLY ON US TO
DECIDE.
>> Andrew: I'VE GOT TIME FOR
ONE MORE QUESTION HERE.
IF THE VIRUS ONLY SURVIVES FOR
TWO DAYS ON A SURFACE, CAN I
DISINFECT BASICALLY ANYTHING BY
JUST LETTING IT SIT?
>> THE ANSWER TO THAT IS
PROBABLY YES.
IN FACT, WE DO LEAVE OUR AMAZON
PACKAGES OUT FOR A DAY UNTIL WE
BRING THEM IN.
ONE THING TO BE AWARE OF THOUGH
IS THAT THE VIRUS DECAYS
AT DIFFERENT RATES ON DIFFERENT
SURFACES.
THERE'S A STUDY AND IT SHOWS
THAT ON STAINLESS STEEL AND
PLFTD, THERE WAS  VIRUS STILL
PRESENT AFTER 72 HOURS, WHEREAS
ON CARDBOARD ALL WAS GONE AFTER
24 HOURS.
SO IT DEPENDS ON THE SURFACE.
>> Andrew: VERY INTERESTING.
DR. GUPTA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Andrew: AS WE HAVE
MENTIONED WE'LL BE ASKING YOUR
QUESTIONS ABOUT
COVID-19 EVERY NIGHT SO SEND
THEM IN.
MESSAGE US DIRECTLY ON
INSTAGRAM @CBCTHENATIONAL OR
SEND US AN EMAIL AT COVID@CBC.CA
AND JUST PUT "THE NATIONAL" IN
THE SUBJECT LINE.
>>> WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN LOOKING AT
HOW COVID-19 HAS CHANGED HOW WE
THINK ABOUT REGULAR EVERYDAY
THINGS LIKE STOCKING UP, FOR
INSTANCE.
TONIGHT IN OUR PANDEMIC
HOW-TO GUIDE, BOTTLED WATER.
WE LEARNED QUITE EARLY IN THIS
PANDEMIC NOT TO HOARD THESE, BUT
WHAT ABOUT BOTTLED WATER?
TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION LET'S
ASK A DIFFERENT ONE -- HOW
LIKELY IS OUR DRINKING WATER
SUPPLY TO GET INFECTED?
>> IT'S VERY SAFE TO ASSUME THAT
THE TAP WATER THAT WE HAVE IS
NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE
CONTAMINATED WITH THIS
INFECTION.
>> Andrew: THAT'S BECAUSE
DRINKING WATER IS FILTERED AND
CHLORINATED.
THIS CORONAVIRUS DOESN'T SURVIVE
THAT, FULL-STOP.
IT'S A RESPIRATORY ILLNESS.
SO IF YOU STOCKED UP ON BOTTLE
WATER IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE
HEDGING AGAINST A BIGGER
SYSTEMIC PROBLEM, LIKE SOME
CRITICAL PIECE OF WATER
INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD SUDDENLY
GET DISRUPTED OR GET SHUT DOWN
ENTIRELY.
YOU CAN DECIDE HOW LIKELY THAT
IS.
I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL
BALL.
BUT, NO, YOU DON'T GET COVID-19
FROM DRINKING WATER.
IF YOU DO DECIDE TO SWITCH TO
BOTTLED WATER, JUST REMEMBER
THAT YOU SHOULD BE THE ONLY ONE
DRINKING OUT OF IT.
(*)
>> Adrienne: STILL AHEAD ON
"THE NATIONAL," A LITTLE LEVITY
FOR DARK TIMES.
WE'LL TAKE YOU TO A JOKE STAND
IN SAANICH, B.C.
>>> BUT, FIRST, IT'S THURSDAY
AND THAT MEANS THAT ROSIE IS
HERE WITH "AT ISSUE."
>> Rosemary: ADRIENNE, THIS
WEEK WE'RE LOOKING AT
HOW THE PROVINCES ARE HANDLING
THE PANDEMIC.
BETWEEN PLANS TO RE-OPEN THEIR
ECONOMY, AND REQUESTS FOR THE
MILITARY TO HELP IN LONG-TERM
CARE
(*)
>> I BELIEVE THAT SASKATCHEWAN
CAN FIND THE RIGHT PATH.
I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN CAREFULLY
AND CAUTIOUSLY BEGIN TO RE-OPEN
OUR PROVINCE WHILE STILL
PROTECTING SASKATCHEWAN
RESIDENTS FROM THE SPREAD OF
COVID-19.
>> Rosemary: SASKATCHEWAN WAS
THE FIRST TO HAVE A PLAN FOR A
GRADUAL RE-OPENING OF ITS
ECONOMY, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT
THE ONLY
PROVINCE MOVING IN THAT
DIRECTION.
WHAT DOES THIS TELL US ABOUT HOW
THE PROVINCES THEMSELVES ARE
MANAGING THIS CRISIS?
IS THERE A NEED FOR SOME SORT OF
NATIONAL COORDINATION?
IT'S THURSDAY AND I'M HERE WITH
"AT ISSUE."
CHANTAL HEBERT IS IN MONTRÉAL.
ANDREW COYNE IS IN TORONTO.
AND ALTHIA RAJ IS IN OTTAWA
TONIGHT.
IT'S NO JOKE THAT THIS IS ONLY
WAY THAT WE DO KNOW THAT IT'S
THURSDAY FOR REAL, MANY PEOPLE
AGREE WITH ME ON TWITTER.
OKAY, SO THE FIRST EXAMPLE IS
SASKATCHEWAN.
BUT, CERTAINLY, WE'RE HEARING
RUMBLINGS OUT OF BRITISH
COLUMBIA AND EVEN QUÉBEC ARE
TALKING ABOUT RETURNING TO
SCHOOL.
WHAT DO WE MAKE OF THESE
PLANS -- NOT IN A SPECIFIC
WAY -- BUT THE KIND OF WAY THAT
THEY PLAN TO UNFOLD AND THE
FEDERAL ROLE THAT MIGHT BE PART
OF THAT?
I'LL START WITH YOU, CHANTAL.
>> IT'S TOTALLY NORMAL THAT THE
PROVINCES WILL BE MOVING AT A
DIFFERENT PACE BECAUSE THE
PANDEMIC HAS HIT IN DIFFERENT
WAYS IN ALL OF THOSE PROVINCES.
IN THIS PROVINCE WHERE I LIVE,
THE HARDEST HIT SO FAR, THERE IS
A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
MONTRÉAL AREA AND THE LARGE
SENSE OF THE WORD AND THE REST
OF THE PROVINCE OF QUÉBEC.
SO THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THERE
WILL BE LIBERALIZATION OUTSIDE
OF THE LARGER MONTRÉAL AREA,
LONG BEFORE IT HAPPENS IN THE
CITY.
I THINK THAT IS TOTALLY NORMAL.
AND I SENSE THAT IF
THERE'S A FEDERAL ROLE IN THERE,
IT MAY BE IN AGREEING WITH THE
PROVINCES ON THE SET OF
STANDARDS THAT ALLOW YOU TO SAY
GO.
BUT OTHERWISE PROVINCES DO HAVE
CONTROL OVER THEIR SCHOOL
SYSTEM, WHICH IS KEY TO
RE-OPENING THE ECONOMY.
AND THEY WILL BE GOING AT THEIR
OWN PACE.
>> Rosemary: AND, ANDREW, WHAT
WOULD THAT FEDERAL ROLE BE LIKE
IF IT'S NOT THEIR JURISDICTION,
BUT, CERTAINLY, THEY ARE PLAYING
THE ROLE OF COORDINATOR IN THE
MIDST OF ALL OF THIS?
>> WELL, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE
TO BE CLOSE COORDINATION BECAUSE
PEOPLE MOVE AROUND.
I MEAN, UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN
INTERPROVINCIAL CONTROLS, AND
MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE MIX,
OTHERWISE IF THE PROVINCE
LIBERALIZES AND FINDS THAT IT
GETS ANOTHER OUTBREAK, SOME OF
THOSE PEOPLE MIGHT WIND UP
INFECTING PEOPLE IN OTHER
PROVINCES.
IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS LETTING
EVERY PROVINCE GO AT ITS OWN
SPEED.
SECONDLY, THE WHOLE THING
STRIKES ME AS A LITTLE BIT
PREMATURE.
I GRANT THAT THE SASKATCHEWAN
MODEL IS GRADUAL, YOU KNOW, IT
DOES A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME
DEPENDING UPON HOW MUCH CLOSE
CONTACT THAT A BUSINESS HAS WITH
THE PUBLIC, ETC.
BUT UNLESS YOU ACCOMPANY IT WITH
MUCH HIGHER LEVELS OF TESTING SO 
BASICALLY YOU CAN POUNCE ON
EVERY INDIVIDUAL CASE AS IT
SHOWS UP AND GO AFTER THE
CONTACTS AND ISOLATE THEM IF YOU
HAVE TO, ALL OF THE MEASURES
THAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH ADVOCATES
ADVISE, THEN EVEN IF YOU'RE
GOING GRADUALLY YOU'RE NOT
NECESSARILY IN SAFE TERRITORY.
>> Rosemary: AND, ALTHIA, HOW
MUCH OF THAT WILL PROVINCES BE
RECEPTIVE TO?
I KNOW THAT THERE'S ANOTHER CALL
ON FRIDAY BETWEEN THE PRIME
MINISTER AND THE PREMIERS.
>> WELL, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S
ALREADY BEEN KIND OF BEEN
DECIDED.
TWO THINGS THAT ANDREW JUST
SUGGESTED ARE THINGS THAT
FEDERAL OFFICIALS HAVE ALREADY
SAID THAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO TODAY THERE WAS AN
ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT RAMPING UP
TESTING NATIONALLY.
THERE WAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT
JUST THE SET OF STANDARDS THAT
CHANTAL WAS TALKING ABOUT, LIKE
THIS IS THE CHECKLIST THAT WE'D
LIKE TO ENSURE THAT YOU CAN
SCRATCH OFF BEFORE YOU OPEN UP
LOCAL ECONOMIES.
AND I THINK THAT THE POINT ABOUT
A REGIONAL DIFFERENCES ARE A
REALLY GOOD ONE.
I MEAN, CALGARY IS EXPERIENCING
A VERY
DIFFERENT CASE LOAD THAN
EDMONTON, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
NOT JUST FOR THE INTERPROVINCIAL
TRAVEL BUT WITHIN THE PROVINCES
THEMSELVES.
AND WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT
THE VIRUS.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE
THAT THE FEDERAL OFFICIALS HAVE
REALLY STRESSED.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW
LONG IMMUNITY LASTS AND THERE'S
A TONNE OF STUFF THAT WE DON'T
KNOW, SO THE GOVERNMENT IS
INVESTING MORE MONEY INTO TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT ALL OF THE STUFF
THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
>> BUT THERE IS ONE THING THAT
WE DO KNOW AND IT'S THAT THE
STATUS QUO IS UNTENABLE FOR A
YEAR OR TWO YEARS.
SO PLACES WILL OPEN UP.
THERE WILL BE TRIAL-AND-ERRORS.
AND PLACES LIKE QUÉBEC AND
TORONTO, NO ONE IS GOING TO BE
HITTING THE BEACHES IN P.E.I. IF
P.E.I. OPENS UP.
IT'S NOT EVEN CLEAR THAT PEOPLE
IN MONTRÉAL WILL BE ABLE TO GO
TO THE LAURENTIANS ANYTIME SOON.
>> Rosemary: I HADN'T THOUGHT
ABOUT THE COMPLICATIONS INSIDE
OF A PROVINCE ITSELF.
AND I WANT TO HIT ON THE OTHER
TOPIC THAT I THINK IS AN
IMPORTANT ONE AND THAT IS THE
PREMIERS CALLING IN FOR
THE MILITARY ASSISTANCE IN
LONG-TERM CARE HOMES.
THE PRIME MINISTER TODAY SAID
THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS
UNACCEPTABLE, THAT THIS
SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING AND THAT
SOLDIERS SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING
AFTER SENIORS.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT THE FAULT I
DON'T THINK OF ANY ONE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT.
THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED OVER A
PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT HOW SHOULD WE VIEW THIS,
ANDREW, IN TERMS OF PROVINCIAL
LEADERSHIP?
THE FACT THAT WE ARE AT THIS
POINT NOW IN THE TWO BIGGEST
PROVINCES.
>> YEAH, IT'S A SCANDAL, I AGREE
WITH YOU THAT IT'S A SCANDAL
THAT THE GOVERNMENTS OWN
COLLECTIVELY AND ALL PARTIES
OWN.
IT IS EASY, OBVIOUSLY, ALSO TO
SAY IN HINDSIGHT, BUT IT IS
CERTAINLY REVEALING THE
CONDITIONS IN SOME OF THESE
LONG-TERM CARE HOMES -- LEAVE
ASIDE THE PANDEMIC, THAT IN SOME
CASES THAT WERE A SCANDAL.
AND, CERTAINLY, THEY SEEM TO NOT
HAVE BEEN NEARLY PREPARED.
THE GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN
PLAYING CATCH-UP, FEDERAL AND
PROVINCIAL ALL THE WAY THROUGH
THIS.
WE'VE SEEN THIS AT THE FEDERAL
LEVEL IN TERMS OF NOT CLOSING
THE BORDERS
WHEN THEY MIGHT HAVE, AND THE
QUESTION OF MASKS, ETC.
SO WHILE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE FOCUSED
RIGHT NOW ON TRYING TO SAVE
LIVES AND GET THROUGH THIS
CRISIS, THERE WILL NEED TO
BE A STOCK TAKING AFTER THIS,
NOT NECESSARILY TO POINT FINGERS
BUT TO FIND OUT WHERE WE WERE
DEFICIENT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
IN TERMS OF THEIR PREPAREDNESS.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THE
PROVINCES WITH THEIR MANAGEMENT
OF THE GROUP HOMES.
>> Rosemary: ALTHIA, ON THE
SAME SUBJECT.
>> WE HEARD PATTY HAJDU, THE
MINISTER OF HEALTH, SAY THAT
THERE WILL BE A
STOCK TAKING NATIONALLY ABOUT
WHAT TO DO WITH REGARDS TO
LONG-TERM CARE HOMES.
BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE OF
NUMEROUS
EXAMPLES THAT CAME TO THE
FOREFRONT BECAUSE OF COVID-19 TO
KIND OF MAKE US REALIZE ABOUT
SOME OF THE GAPS IN OUR SYSTEM,
WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY
LOW WELFARE PAYMENTS OR THE
SITUATION IN LONG-TERM CARE
HOMES.
LOCAL MANUFACTURING, THE SAFETY
OF THE FOOD SUPPLY.
YOU KNOW, SO MANY DIFFERENT
THINGS HAVE COME TO THE
FOREFRONT BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND THIS IS, SADLY, ONE VERY
STARK EXAMPLE.
>> Rosemary: CHANTAL?
>> LET ME TAKE YOU OUT OF THIS
PANDEMIC AND WE HAVE JUST
REALISED ALL OF THIS TO TAKE YOU
BACK, I THINK, COVERING POLITICS
MAYBE FOR TOO LONG.
WAS IT 2004 THAT PAUL MARTIN AND
THE HEALTH CARE ACCORD THAT WAS
SUPPOSED TO FIX THE HEALTH CARE
SYSTEM FOR A GENERATION OR
FOREVER?
AND THE HOMECARE CHAPTER OF IT?
BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT HAVE
SYSTEMIZED PARKING OLDER
CANADIANS IN HOMES IF WE HAD
EVER LOOKED AT THE HOMECARE
SYSTEM AS PART OF OUR MEDICARE
SYSTEM.
SO BEFORE WE FIX THE ISSUES AT
THE HOMES OR TO HAVE THEM WELL
MAINTAINED IN THE FUTURE,
POSSIBLY A STEP BACK TO SAY IF
WE OFFERED MORE HOMECARE WE
WOULD HAVE LESS ELDERLY PEOPLE
IN HOMES.
>> Rosemary: OKAY.
ON THAT I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS ALWAYS.
BEFORE WE GO BE SURE TO
SUBSCRIBE TO "AT ISSUE" THE
PODCAST AND WE PUT EXTRA CONTENT
THERE.
AND THIS WEEK WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS
TO A GOVERNMENT WHEN IT FACES
CRISIS AFTER CRISIS.
LOOK FOR IT ON ANY MAJOR PODCAST
APP, OUR WEBSITE
cbcnews.ca/thenational.
FOR NOW THOUGH BACK TO ADRIENNE
AND ANDREW IN TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: AND NEXT ON "THE
NATIONAL," FIGURING OUT HOW TO
GET PRO SPORTS PLAYERS BACK ON
THE FIELD.
HERE'S ONE WILD SOLUTION FROM
TAIWAN.
SO WHAT THE BIG LEAGUES WORKING
>> WE HOPE THAT THE DRAFT WILL
PROVIDE A BREAK FROM EVERYDAY
CHALLENGES.
LET US DREAM OF BETTER DAYS.
COME ON, GUYS, YOU CAN DO BETTER
THAN THAT.
>> Adrienne: THAT IS THE NFL
COMMISSIONER ROGER GOODELL
HOSTING THE NFL DRAFT FROM HOME.
USUALLY THE THREE-DAY
EXTRAVAGANZA RIVALS THE HYPE OF
THE SUPER BOWL.
THE NFL AND THE OTHER LEAGUES
WANT
TO PLAY DURING THE PANDEMIC,
EVEN IF IT MEANS TO EMPTY
STADIUMS.
AS JAMIE STRASHIN EXPLAINS, THE
ONLY GAME IN TOWN THESE DAYS IS
FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO IT.
>> Reporter: ON APRIL 29,
2015, A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL
GAME UNLIKE ANY OTHER TOOK
PLACE.
THERE WAS CIVIL UNREST IN
BALTIMORE,
AND FOR SECURITY REASONS
SPECTATORS WERE BARRED FROM THE
STADIUM.
THE ORIOLES PLAYED WHITE SOX
WITH NO ONE IN THE STANDS.
IT SEEMS WRONG, NO ROAR OF THE
CROWD, NONE OF THE ATMOSPHERE
THAT GIVES LIVE SPORTS ITS BUZZ.
BUT WHAT SEEMED SO WRONG COULD
BE EXACTLY THE RIGHT
PRESCRIPTION AS PROFESSIONAL
SPORTS PLOT A RETURN.
>> MASS GATHERINGS IS NOT IN ANY
OF OUR NEAR FUTURE.
I THINK THAT IS PRETTY EVIDENT.
>> SO FAR THE MODEL BEING
FLOATED BY MOST PROFESSIONAL
LEAGUES INVOLVES PLAYING GAMES
IN ONE CITY -- SO NO TRAVEL.
THE NHL HAS TALKED ABOUT THE
IDEA OF PLAYING IN MULTIPLE
CITIES, BUT FOR ALL LEAGUES,
PLAYERS AND STAFF WOULD BE
TESTED OFTEN AND STAY IN HOTELS
ISOLATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES.
>> HAD A GREAT DAY WITH THIS
CLUB YESTERDAY.
>> Reporter: THE PGA HAS
PROPOSED MOVING FORWARD WITH
FOUR EVENTS WITHOUT SPECTATORS
STARTING IN JUNE.
>> WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO TEST
PLAYERS AND CADDIES AND OTHER
CONSTITUENTS BEFORE WE RETURN,
BUT WE CERTAINLY -- BUT WE NEED
TO DO SO IN A WAY THAT'S NOT
GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE
CRITICAL NEEDS THAT WE'RE
CURRENTLY FACING.
>> Reporter: OTHER PARTS OF
THE WORLD HAVE ALREADY STARTED.
IN TAIWAN, PRO BASEBALL GAMES
HAVE RETURNED.
INSTEAD OF FANS, CARDBOARD
CUTOUTS AND ROBOTS FILLED THE
STANDS.
IT'S NOT JUST EMPTY STADIUMS,
ALL OF THESE PLANS WOULD REQUIRE
PLAYERS TO LIVE IN A BUBBLE
PERHAPS FOR MONTHS.
>> MY WIFE IS PREGNANT.
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WHEN SHE
GOES INTO LABOUR?
I AM GOING TO HAVE TO QUARANTINE
FOR
TWO WEEKS AFTER I COME BACK?
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, I
CAN'T MISS THAT BIRTH OF OUR
FIRST CHILD.
>> Reporter: HEALTH OFFICIALS
STRESS THAT NO MATTER HOW EAGER
THE LEAGUES ARE TO GET BACK IN
THE GAME, MINIMIZING THE SPREAD
OF THE VIRUS MUST BE THE
PRIORITY BEFORE THE ROAR OF THE
CROWD FILLS THESE STADIUMS
AGAIN.
JAMIE STRASHIN, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Andrew: OKAY, NEXT ON "THE
NATIONAL," WE COULD ALL USE A
SMILE THESE DAYS.
ENTER CALLAHAN.
>> WHAT IS BLACK, WHITE AND RED?
A PENGUIN THAT'S EMBARRASSED.
[laughter]
>> Andrew: HIS TWIST ON THE
OLD LEMONADE STAND NEXT.
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>> Andrew: DURING A PANDEMIC A
LEMONADE STAND MAY NOT BE A
WINNING IDEA, BUT 6-YEAR-OLD
CALLAHAN MACHLACAN HAS A TONIC
IN MIND.
A FREE JOKE STAND.
AND DURING SUCH A HARD WEEK THE
SMILES THAT HE HELPS TO DELIVER?
THAT'S OUR "MOMENT."
>> WHAT IS RED, WHITE AND BLUE?
>> WHAT?
>> A SAD CANDY CANE.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF DEATHS IN
THE WORLD AND WE KIND OF WANT TO
GET THE SMILES ON PEOPLE'S
FACES.
>> CALLAHAN IS A FAIRLY SOCIAL
CHILD
AND ALSO HAS HAD A LOT OF
SUCCESS WITH LEMONADE STANDS IN
THE PAST.
SO I CAME UP WITH THE
IDEA OF THE JOKE STAND BECAUSE
THIS IS ALSO A CHILD WHO WALKS
AROUND OUR HOUSE TELLING US
JOKES.
>> WHAT DID THE TIE SAY TO THE
NECK?
>> WHAT?
>> I THINK THAT I'LL HANG AROUND
FOR A WHILE.
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE OUT
AND ABOUT NOW.
SO IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD WHEN I
CAN DO A LITTLE SOCIAL
DISTANCING JOKE WITH THEM.
WHAT DID ONE TOILET SAY TO THE
OTHER TOILET?
>> OH, GOSH, I DON'T HAVE A
CLUE -- I DON'T KNOW.
>> YOU LOOK A BIT FLUSHED.
[laughter]
>> OH, YOU'RE GOOD.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT I HAVE ANY
BAD JOKES BUT MY SISTER HAS ALL
KINDS OF AWFUL ONES.
WHAT DID THE PIRATE SAY TO THE
PLANET?
>> WHAT?
>> GRRRR!
>> Adrienne: I LOVE IT.
SO, CALLAHAN -- SOMEBODY ASKED
HIM, DO YOU WANT ANY MONEY FOR
YOUR JOKES
AND HE SAYS, NO, NO, RIGHT NOW
PEOPLE NEED THEIR MONEY FOR
GROCERIES, NOT JOKES.
GOOD ON HIM.
>> Andrew: BOY, NO KIDDING.
CALLAHAN, IF I COULD SAY
DIRECTLY TO YOU THAT YOUR JOKES
ARE AMAZING AND YOUR DELIVERY IS
SPOT ON.
KEEP IT UP.
THAT'S AMAZING.
>>> THAT'S "THE NATIONAL" FOR
THIS THURSDAY, APRIL 23rd.
HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.
>> Adrienne: GOODNIGHT.
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