THAT THEY PRETTY MUCH HAD TO
SHARE A VOICE FOR THE ENTIRE
DEBATE LAST NIGHT.
SO WE WILL SEE WITH THE ADDED
DYNAMIC OF HAVING THE OTHER TWO
CANDIDATES MORE ABLE TO
PARTICIPATE.
>> Vassy: SHAKIR, DID YOU
THINK THERE WAS, AND IT'S A
SIMPLISTIC QUESTION, BUT DO YOU
THINK THERE WAS A QUOTE UNQUOTE
WINNER LAST NIGHT?
>> I THINK TO JENNI'S POINT, MR.
HIM AND MR. O'TOOLE WENT BACK
AND FORTH IN THE MAJORITY, EVEN
IN THE FREE DEBATE THAT
DOMINATED THAT SESSION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CLEAR
WINNER BUT WE KNOW THE TWO
FRONT-RUNNERS THAT WOULD GO AT
IT AND THAT THEY DID.
I THINK WHEN WE GET TO TONIGHT'S
DEBATE WHAT KORY SAID AS WELL,
RESPONDING TO THE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE VIEWS GIVEN THAT IF
EITHER OF THEM WENT ON THAT
FIRST BALLOT, THEY WILL NEED THE
SLOANE SUPPORTERS OR LEWIS
SUPPORTERS TO RANK THEM SECOND
TO WIN IN THE LATER ROUND.
SO THE RESPONSE BY MR. MACKAY
AND MR. O'TOOLE WILL BE
INTERESTING TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS
OUT AND THE DYNAMICS AFTER THE
DEBATE.
>> Vassy: YOU COULD REALLY
SEE, KORY, MR. O'TOOLE AND
MR. MACKAY LAST NIGHT GOING AT
IT.
AND I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT.
WE CONTINUE TO BE TRANSPARENT
WITH OUR VIEWERS.
THIS IS NOT A CBC DEBATE.
THIS IS NOT A JOURNALIST DEBATE.
THIS IS CONSERVATIVE PARTY
PUTTING ON WORK HEARING IT SO
THAT PEOPLE CAN INFORM
THEMSELVES.
BUT THEY WERE STILL GOING AT IT
DURING IT.
>> YEAH, WELL IN PAST CAMPAIGNS
THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF
DEBATES.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY WE HAD IN
THE ALASKA ROUND BUT I THINK IT
WAS FOUR OR FIVE.
AND I THINK THE PROVINCIAL
LEADERSHIP RACE, THERE WAS AT
LEAST A HALF DOZEN DEBATES.
BUT THERE'S REALLY ONLY GOING TO
BE TWO.
IN THE PAST THINGS START GETTING
A LITTLE BIT MORE HEATED WHEN
YOU COME TO THE FINAL FEW
DEBATES.
BUT THEY HAVE TO START HEATED IN
THIS CASE BECAUSE THEY WILL ONLY
HAVE ONE AT BAT.
>> Vassy: YEAH, JENNI, LET'S
TALK ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
THIS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE THE
SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE DEBATES.
YOU'RE SITTING OUTSIDE A
BEAUTIFUL DIME OF THE YEAR.
IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO TALK
ABOUT POLITICS AT ALL ON A
WINTER DAY.
I IMAGINE IT'S EVEN HARDER RIGHT
NOW.
WHAT IS YOURAUGE OF THE
INTEREST IN THIS RACE RIGHT NOW
AND ALSO CORRESPONDING TO THAT
HOW SIGNIFICANT MIGHT THESE
DEBATES BE IN HELPING MEMBERS
ACTUALLY DECIDE OR DETERMINING
WHAT THEY DECIDE.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT THEIR
MEMBERS ARE STARTING TO TURN ON,
TURN TO THE LEADERSHIP RACE SO
TO SPEAK OVER THE LAST THREE
MONTHS AS LIFE GETS BACK TO
VARYING DEGREES OF NORMAL
DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
I THINK THESE DEBATES WILL BE
IMPORTANT TO SEE THE PERFORMANCE
OF THE CANDIDATES.
BUT BECAUSE OF A LEADERSHIP RACE
BEING DONE DURING COVID, THERE
HASN'T BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SEE MUCH OF THE CANDIDATES
OUTSIDE OF, OUTSIDE OF SOME
MEDIA INTERVIEWS AND SOME SOCIAL
MEDIA AND SOME OF COURSE THE
EMAILS THAT ALL THE MEMBERS ARE
GETTING INUNDATED WITH ON A
REGULAR BASIS.
SO I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE TUNING
IN.
THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE NEVER
SEEN AN ELECTION WON BASED ON A
KNOCKOUT PUNCH IN A LEADERSHIP
DEBATE OR IN A DEBATE.
BUT I HAVE SEEN CAMPAIGNS LOST.
AND I THINK THAT MEMBERS ARE
GOING TO BE LOOKING TO SEE A
WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
MEMBERS THAT I HAVE BEEN
SPEAKING TO IN THE LAST 24 HOURS
FROM THE LAST DEBATE.
ALTHOUGH THEY UNDERSTAND THE
IMPORTANCE OF SOME SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE ISSUES TO BE
RESPONSED, THEY ARE HOPING IT
DOESN'T GO DOWN THE ROAD THAT IT
DID LAST NIGHT WHEN RIGHT OFF
THE BAT THE FIRST QUESTION THAT
WAS ASKED WAS ABOUT MILITARY
SPENDING AND PROCUREMENT AND THE
CANDIDATE ENDED UP SPEAKING
ABOUT ABORTION.
SO I THINK MEMBERS WILL BE
LOOKING FOR A GENUINE, FULSOME,
POLICY-EF HEAVY DEBATE LAST
NIGHT.
>> Vassy: YOU MENTIONED THAT
AS WELL.
WHAT IS THE IMPACT WHEN IT COMES
TO ABORTION OR OTHER SOCIAL
CONSECUTIVE TOPICS.
WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF
LESLYN LEWIS AND DEREK SLOAN WHO
BOTH IDENTIFY AS SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES ON THE DYNAMIC
ABOUT WHAT ENDS UP BEING
DISCUSSED.
AND IF IT DOES BEING A LOT ABOUT
THAT, WHO BENEFITS?
>> SO, LISTEN, SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES ARE PART OF OUR
PARTY.
WE SHOULD DEFINITELY TRY TO
INCLUDE THEM IN THE DEBATES AND
KEEP IT GOING.
BUT WHEN YOU ARE FACING A
SITUATION WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW
WITH THE PANDEMIC AND COVID, I'M
NOT SURE ABORTION RIGHTS ARE
FRONT AND CENTRE FOR A LOT OF
CONSERVATIVE VOTERS.
LISTEN, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT
POSITION, STATE IT CLEARLY.
BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ONTO MORE
IMPORTANT POLICY ISSUES THAT
NEED TO BE DEBATED AMONGST
LEADERS TO KNOW WHO IS READY TO
CHALLENGE MR. TRUDEAU IN THE
NEXT ELECTION.
THE MORE WE TALK ABOUT ABORTION,
THE MORE WE HAVE ALL THESE WE'RE
JUST NOT ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES
CLEARLY, THE MORE AMMUNITION WE
GIVE TO THE LIBERAL PARTY MOVING
FORWARD BECAUSE YOU KNOW
GUARANTEE WHEN YOU GO INTO THAT
GENERAL ELECTION, THEY ARE GOING
TO BE TOSSING THIS OUT THERE.
STATE YOUR POSITION CLEARLY.
AND IF YOU'RE FUMBLING THESE
ISSUES, IT WILL BE VERY
PROBLEMATIC.
IF YOU ARE BRINGING IT UP
TONIGHT, THEY WILL BENEFIT FROM
HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
I THINK IF YOU ARE MR. MACKAY,
MR. O'TOOLE, YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED
TO BE CLEAR ON YOUR POSITION,
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE WARY ABOUT
HOW YOU ADDRESS THESE ISSUES
BECAUSE ONE YOU NEED THOSE
BALLOTS LATER IF YOU DON'T WIN
ON THE FIRST BLOT.
BUT ANYTHING YOU SAY NOW CAN AND
WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN THE
GENERAL ELECTION WHENEVER YOU GO
AGAINST THE LIBERAL PARTY
WHENEVER THE ELECTION IS CALLED.
>> Vassy: KORY, IF MR. O'TOOLE
AND MR. MACKAY ARE THE
FRONT-RUNNERS TONIGHT, WHAT DO
YOU SEE AS THEIR GREATEST
VULNERABILITIES TONIGHT.
>> I THINK TO BUILD ON WHAT
SHAKIR WAS SAYING, I THINK DOWN
THE RABBIT HOLE TO, YOU KNOW,
TRANSGENDER RIGHTS AND ISSUES
LIKE ABORTION AND GET INTO THIS
WHOLE SOCIAL CONSECUTIVE MILIEU.
I THINK IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO
TURN OFF VOTERS THAT THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY NEEDS TO WIN
A GENERAL ELECTION.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY
THEY WILL STICK TO MORE OF THE
MAJOR ISSUES.
I EXPECT CARBON TAX WILL BE
FRONT AND CENTRE TONIGHT AGAIN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR O'TOOLE IN
PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO
DOWNSIDE IN SWINGING HARD AT
PETER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE'S
PROBABLY BEHIND RIGHT NOW, AND
HE'S GOTTA SHAKE SOME.
>> Vassy: DO YOU THINK THAT'S
TRUE, JENNI?
IF YOU WERE ADVISING MR. O'TOOLE
TODAY, LET'S SAY, WOULD YOU BE
SAYING GO OUT THERE HARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO
LOOSE.
>> I ACTUALLY DISAGREE WITH KORY
ON THAT ONE.
I THINK LAST NIGHT ERIN LOOKED
VERY CHIPPY.
AND SEEMED A BIT ANKLE BITING,
SO TO SPEAK.
I THINK I WAS SAYING TO SOMEONE
IF THERE WAS A CONSERVATIVE
PARTY LEADERSHIP DRINKING GAME,
ANYONE THAT HAD HOW MANY TIMES
ERIN TALKED ABOUT HIS QUEBEC
PLATFORM, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN
HAVING A VERY FUN NIGHT.
SO SEE HOW MUCH THAT COMES UP.
SO MY, I THINK THAT ERIN NEEDS
TO BE LESS CONFRONTATIONAL
TOWARDS MACKAY.
ERIN CAME ACROSS AS VERY
DEFENSIVE AT TIMES.
HE EVEN TURNED HIS BODY FULLY TO
THE SIDE TO ADDRESS MACKAY.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS, I
DON'T THINK THAT WAS GOOD FOR
HIM.
YOU KNOW, HE RELEASED A 50-PAGE
PLATFORM.
SO IT IS WHEN ONE DOES THAT,
THEY NEED TO EXPECT THAT THEIR
OPPONENTS ARE GOING TO, THEIR
OPPONENTS ARE GOING TO GO AFTER
THEM.
IT'S POLITICS.
AS KORY AND I'S FIRST BOSS OR MY
FIRST BOSS IN THE REFORM PARTY,
RICK ANDERSEN, USED TO SAY.
IT'S TIME TO STOP MAJORING IN
THE MINORS.
WELCOME TO THE BIGS.
>> Vassy: I CAN PICTURE THAT.
[ Laughter ]
>> Vassy: SHAKIR, ON THE SAME
POINT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT I
GUESS IF IN FACT AND I DON'T
HAVE ANY HUGE AMOUNT OF RELIABLE
POLLING TO SAY THIS, BUT
CERTAINLY THAT'S THE WAY IT'S
FRAMED IS THAT MR. MACKAY IS OUT
IN THE LEAD AND MR. O'TOOLE
RIGHT BEHIND HIM OR SOMEWHERE
BEHIND HIM.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT
CONVERSATION BETWEEN KORY AND
JENNI?
SHOULD HE BE GOING FOR THE
JUGULAR OR MORE NUANCED?
>> I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH
JENNI.
I THINK GOING FOR THE JUGULAR
AND APPEARING VERY ANGRY ON THE
SCREEN WILL LOOK, WILL TURN A
LOT OF VIEWERS OFF.
NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THEIR LEADER
ANGRY OR TRYING TO SNIPE AT
MR. MACKAY.
I THINK HAVING A REASON, A
POLICY DEBATE, TELLING THE
VIEWERS WHAT HE STANDS FOR AND
WHY HE STANDS FOR THESE THINGS
WILL SUIT HIM A LOT BETTER.
HE RELEASED A POLICY PLATFORM.
HE HAS OVER 50 PAGES OF POLICY
THAT HE CAN ACTUALLY POINT TO
AND SAY THIS IS WHAT I HAN PLAN
ON DOING.
WHERE IS YOUR POLICY,
MR. MACKAY?
HAVING A MORE BALANCED APPROACH
WILL DO HIM BETTER THAN
APPEARING VERY ANGRY AND VERY
BITTER.
MAYBE HE KNOWS HE'S NOT DOING AS
STRONG IN THE POLLS.
SO MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
BUT IF HE IS NOT DOING AS GOOD
AS HE THINKS HE IS, JUST
APPEARING TO BE SOMEONE WHO IS
VERY UPSET WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING
RIGHT NOW IS NOT GOING TO DO HIM
VERY WELL MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK JUST WITH BEING
REASONABLE AND LEVEL HEADED AND
JUST POINTING TO THE POLLS THAT
HE IS READY TO MAKE PUBLIC WILL
DO HIM WELL.
[ Please Stand By ]
SECONDS.
NOW, WE ASKED CANADIANS TO
SUBMIT VIDEO QUESTIONS ON ANY
TOPIC, AND WE RECEIVED OVER
1,000 ENTRIES.
DAN AND I AS MODERATORS CHOSE A
CROSS-SECTION OF THESE QUESTIONS
AND THESE WILL BE USED FOR THIS
DEBATE.
THE CANDIDATES WERE NOT PROVIDED
THE QUESTIONS, BUT THEY WERE
GIVEN THE GENERAL THEMES TO BE
DISCUSSED.
FOLLOWING OPENING REMARKS, THIS
DEBATE WILL HAVE TWO SECTIONS.
THE FIRST HALF WILL BE A
FACE-TO-FACE FORMAT.
TWO CANDIDATES WILL DEBATE EACH
OTHER ONE-ON-ONE.
A NEW VIDEO QUESTION WILL BE
PLAYED FOR EACH FACE-TO-FACE
SEGMENTS AND THOSE TWO
CANDIDATES WILL DEBATE FOR TWO
MINUTES AFTER EACH ONE HAS HAD
AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A
SHORT ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
ALL CANDIDATES WILL BE GIVEN THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DEBATE EACH OF
THEIR FELLOW CANDIDATES ONCE.
THE SECOND HALF OF THE DEBATE
WILL BE VIDEO QUESTIONS POSED TO
ALL CANDIDATES.
EACH WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO
ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WE WILL THEN OPEN THE FLOOR TO
AN ALL-CANDIDATES DEBATE FOR
FIVE MINUTES.
THE DEBATE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY
2 HOURS IN LENGTH IN ORDER TO
PROVIDE ALL CANDIDATES A
REASONABLE CHANCE TO SPEAK TO
YOU.
CONSERVATIVE PARTY MEMBERS AND
ALL CANADIANS.
NOW, BEFORE WE WELCOME THE
CANDIDATES, WE WANT YOU TO KNOW
THAT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS
TAKEN ALL PRECAUTIONS REGARDING
THE GROUP GATHERING RESTRICTIONS
HERE IN TORONTO TODAY.
AS SUCH, WE ONLY HAVE TEN PEOPLE
IN THIS ROOM.
AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE
CANDIDATES ARE STATIONED AT
PODIUMS THAT ALLOW FOR THE
REQUIRED PHYSICAL DISTANCING
BETWEEN THEM.
AND I WOULD NOTE THAT IF WE WERE
IN THE 2017 LEADERSHIP RACE WITH
14 CANDIDATES, WE PROBABLY WOULD
HAVE HAD TO RENT OUT SCOTIABANK
ARENA TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
AND NOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO
PRESENT TO YOU THE 2020
LEADERSHIP CANDIDATES.
MR. ERIN O'TOOLE.
MR. PETER MacKAY.
MR. DEREK SLOAN.
AND DR. LESLYN LEWIS.
WELCOME TO YOU ALL, CANDIDATES.
LET'S BEGIN.
WE'LL START WITH THE OPENING
REMARKS FROM EACH CANDIDATE
PRECEDING IN THE PODIUM ORDER.
MR. O'TOOLE, YOU HAVE 60
SECONDS.
>> Erin O'Toole: I'VE BEEN
TALKING TO CONSERVATIVES ABOUT
THE FUTURE OF CANADA.
FROM MY LAUNCH IN CALGARY WHERE
EMPTY OFFICE TOWERS SERVE AS
MONUMENTS TO WESTERN ALIENATION,
TO B.C. AND ATLANTIC CANADA
WHERE LUMBER MILLS ARE CLOSING,
TO ONTARIO WHERE COMPANIES LIKE
GM ARE LEAVING TOWN.
WORKING FAMILIES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY WERE ALREADY BEING LEFT
BEHIND BY THE LIBERALS AND THEN
COVID-19 HIT.
ACROSS CANADA, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
LOSING THEIR JOBS, THEIR HOMES,
AND THEIR HOPE.
MORE THAN EVER BEFORE, CANADA
NEEDS A STRONG CONSERVATIVE
GOVERNMENT.
WE NEED A PRINCIPLED LEADER WHO
WILL UNITE OUR PARTY BY
RESPECTING ALL CONSERVATIVES.
A LEADER WHO CAN SHOW MORE URBAN
AND SUBURBAN CANADIANS THAT
THEIR VALUES OF LIBERTY, FAMILY,
AND EQUALITY ARE AT THE CORE OF
OUR PARTY.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE TO WIN MY
SUBURBAN TORONTO SEAT THREE
TIMES.
IT'S TIME FOR A TRUE BLUE
CONSERVATIVE WHO CAN WIN THE
NEXT ELECTION AND GET OUR
COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK.
>> THANK YOU, MR. O'TOOLE.
MR. MacKAY, YOU HAVE 60
SECONDS.
>> Peter MacKay: I'M A PROUD
CANADIAN, A PROUD CONSERVATIVE,
YET UNDER THE LIBERAL
GOVERNMENT, WE ARE LESS
PROSPEROUS, MORE IN DEBT AND
MORE DIVIDED AS A NATION THAN WE
HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST FIVE
YEARS.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN -- OUR
PARTY HAS TAKEN STEPS TO
PRESERVE DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE
OF LAW.
CANADA CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER
TERM OF JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
I BELIEVE IN OUR PARTY AND, OF
COURSE, CANADA, AND THAT OUR
BEST DAYS ARE AHEAD.
THERE ARE NO OBSTACLES WE CANNOT
OVERCOME INCLUDING COVID-19.
WE WILL ONLY WIN IF WE ARE
UNITED AS A PARTY.
AND WHEN WE REACH OUT TO EVERY
PART OF CANADA, AND OFFER
CONSERVATIVE SOLUTIONS AND
IDEAS, OUR CAUCUS HAS SUPPORTED
ME IN OVERWHELMING NUMBERS.
AND AS A LEADER, I WILL BRING
OUR PARTY TOGETHER.
I'M SUPPORTED BY CONSERVATIVES
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES, FISCAL
CONSERVATIVES, NEW VOTERS, NEW
CANADIANS, IN ENGLISH AND IN
FRENCH.
I WILL UNITE THE PARTY AS I DID
BEFORE WITH STEPHEN HARPER.
I WILL DEFEAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND
BRING US BACK TO FORM A NATIONAL
CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY
GOVERNMENT.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MacKAY.
MR. SLOAN, YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: IT
.
>> Derek Sloan: IT IS A
PRIVILEGE AND HONOUR TO BE HERE
TONIGHT REPRESENTING THE
FOUNDING PARTY OF THIS GREAT
NATION.
WE ARE FACING A DIVIDE AND
DIVISIONS HERE IN CANADA WHETHER
THEY BE RACIAL, REGIONAL, LIKE
WESTERN ALIENATION, AND EVEN
CLASS-BASED RESENT I
 R.
I GIVE YOU MY SOLEMN PROMISE I
WILL NEVER COMPROMISE ON
CONSERVATIVE VALUES.
I WILL NEVER SELL OUT CANADA AND
I WILL ALWAYS PUT CANADIANS
FIRST.
I WILL NEVER GIVE AN INCH TO
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
I WON'T CEDE AN OUNCE OF OUR
SOVEREIGNTY TO INTERNATIONAL
ORGANIZATIONS.
I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE COMMITTED
TO DEFUNDING THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION AND GETTING CANADA
OUT OF THE PARIS AGREEMENT.
I WILL NEVER PUT THE RICH ELITE
AND INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS
BEFORE THE CANADIAN WORKER AND
SMALL BUSINESS.
I WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO
MAKE THE WEST AN EQUAL PARTNER
IN CONFEDERATION.
THIS IS MY UNYIELDING PROMISE TO
YOU.
IF YOU WANT A CONSERVATIVE
WITHOUT APOLOGY TO LEAD YOUR
PARTY, TONIGHT, I ASK FOR YOUR
SUPPORT AND YOUR VOTE.
GOD BLESS YOU AND GOD BLESS
CANADA.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SLOAN.
DR. LEWIS, YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: CANADA IS AT
A CROSSROADS.
IF THE LIBERALS WIN THE NEXT
ELECTION, IT WILL BE DECADES
BEFORE WE CAN RECOVER.
I AM THE RIGHT LEADER WITH THE
RIGHT POLICIES AT THE RIGHT
TIME.
I AM THE LEADER THAT CAN
WITHSTAND THE LIBERAL ATTACKS
AND THE LIES ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS
CANADIANS.
WE ARE A GOOD PEOPLE.
TO WIN THE NEXT ELECTION, WE'RE
GOING TO NEED SOMEBODY TO LEAD
WITH COURAGE, COMPASSION, AND
COMMON SENSE.
THE COURAGE TO STAND UP TO
TRUDEAU AND DEFEND WHAT IS RIGHT
OVER WHAT IS EASY.
THE COMPASSION TO HAVE POLICIES
THAT UPLIFT OUR COUNTRY AND NOT
JUST A SELECT FEW.
AND GOOD, COMMON-SENSE FISCAL
POLICIES.
I RAN MY CAMPAIGN BASED ON THESE
PRINCIPLES OF COURAGE,
COMPASSION, AND COMMON SENSE.
AND WITH YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT,
THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I WILL RUN
THIS COUNTRY AND THIS NATION.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DOCTOR.
THANK YOU, CANDIDATES.
AND NOW WE WILL BEGIN THE
FACE-TO-FACE PORTION OF THE
DEBATE.
NOW, BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE DO HAVE
FOUR CANDIDATES THIS EVENING WHO
ARE ALL EXPERIENCED IN
ADVOCATING WITHIN A SET PERIOD
OF TIME EITHER IN PARLIAMENT OR
BEFORE THE COURTS.
I ALSO KNOW THAT THESE
CANDIDATES NOT ONLY WANT THEIR
SUBMISSIONS TO BE HEARD BY
CANADIANS, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO
LIKE TO HAVE THEIR OPPONENTS'
SUBMISSIONS HEARD BY CANADIANS
AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, IF IT BECOMES
APPARENT TO ME THAT YOUR MESSAGE
ISN'T GETTING THROUGH CLEARLY, I
WILL GENTLY INTERVENE AND ASK
THAT YOU RE-ENGAGE IN A WAY THAT
ALLOWS FOR THE VIEWER TO
UNDERSTAND YOUR POINTS THAT ARE
BEING MADE.
YOU GOT IT?
EXCELLENT.
WITH THE FIRST QUESTION, IT WILL
BE POSED TO ERIN O'TOOLE AND
PETER MacKAY.
>> HI.
MY NAME IS MONA PATEL.
I AM FROM NIAGARA FALLS AND I AM
A PROUD LEGAL GUN OWNER.
>> HI, I'M CRYSTAL COMPUTE OWE
FROM NIAGARA FALLS AND I'M A
FRENCH CATHOLIC SERBIAN
CANADIAN.
>> HI, MY NAME IS JORDAN
WILLIAMS, I'M FROM
NIAGRA-ON-THE-LAKE.
I'M A PROUD LGBT ENTREPRENEUR.
>> I'M JACQUELINE, A SINGLE
MOTHER OF A UNIVERSITY STUDENT
FROM NIAGARA FALLS.
>> AND OUR QUESTION TODAY IS IF
ELECTED LEADER, HOW DO EACH OF
THE CANDIDATES PLAN TO SHOW
CANADIANS...
>> THAT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
IS INCLUSIVE...
>> IN ORDER TO STRAY US MIDDLE
GROUND ROADERS --
>> IN ORDER TO WIN A MAJORITY
GOVERNMENT.
>> MR. O'TOOLE, PLEASE START US
OFF, 30 SECONDS.
>> Erin O'Toole: GREAT
QUESTION.
MONA, CRYSTAL, JORDAN AND
JACKIE.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN
DOING WHEN I'VE WON MY SEAT IN
THE GTA THREE TIMES, BRINGING
TOGETHER PEOPLE BASED ON A
CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, LIBERTY,
OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL.
I WOULD BE OUR FIRST LEADER FROM
THE GTA.
I'VE DONE THIS IN THREE
ELECTIONS.
I WILL DO IT AGAIN.
PRIME MINISTER TRUDEAU HAS BEEN
ATTACKING MANY CANADIANS IN THE
SUBURBS AND CITIES OF THE
COUNTRY.
WE NEED TO UNITE THEM IN OUR
CAUSE TO TAKE BACK CANADA.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. MacKAY, PLEASE GO AHEAD,
30 SECONDS.
>> Peter MacKay: IT IS AN
EXCELLENT QUESTION AND UNITY HAS
BEEN AT THE CORE OF MY CAMPAIGN.
I'VE BEEN A PERSON WHO DEDICATED
MUCH OF MY WORKING LIFE TO THIS
PARTY.
I HELPED WITH STEPHEN HARPER AND
WITH THOUSANDS OF CONSERVATIVES
TO BRING THE CONSERVATIVE
MOVEMENT TOGETHER.
BUT TO TRULY REACH OUT TO
CANADIANS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
TO MODERNIZE, WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO PRESENT IDEAS,
SOLUTIONS, POLICIES THAT ARE
RELEVANT IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS
AND BACK POCKETS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT.
AN EIGHT-POINT JOBS PLAN FOR
CANADA.
SENSIBLE, THOUGHTFUL POLICIES
THAT WILL IMPROVE PEOPLE'S
LIVES.
NOT VANITY PROJECTS, NOT
DIVIDING CANADIANS THE WAY
JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS.
BUT GETTING THINGS DONE FOR
CANADIANS, AND THAT'S WHAT'S
NEEDED POST-COVID-19.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MacKAY.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR TWO
MINUTES AND WE'LL LET
MR. O'TOOLE START.
>> Erin O'Toole: THANK YOU.
I THINK OUR FOUR QUESTIONERS
TONIGHT REFLECT A GOOD
CROSS-SECTION OF CONSERVATIVE
ASPIRATIONS FOR THE FUTURE OF
OUR COUNTRY.
OUR NEXT LEADER NEEDS TO UNITE
ALL CONSERVATIVES.
ALL VOICES IN OUR PARTY ARE
WELCOME.
IF WE DON'T UNITE FIRST AS A
PARTY, HOW DO WE EXPECT TO BRING
PEOPLE IN THE SUBURBS OF
SOUTHERN ONTARIO, IN THE LOWER
MAINLAND OF B.C.?
FIRST AND SECOND GENERATION
CANADIANS TO JOIN OUR MISSION
FOR MORE COMPETITIVE CANADA, A
MORE FREE, MORE OPPORTUNITY.
WE HAVE TO REACH OUT BY UNITING
OUR PARTY FIRST.
MR. MacKAY STARTED THIS
CAMPAIGN BY DIVIDING THE PARTY.
WE HAVE TO UNITE.
THAT IS WHAT I WILL BRING AS
LEADER.
I ALSO HAVE EXPERIENCE WINNING
WHERE WE NEED TO WIN IN THE
GREATER TORONTO AREA, AND MY
EXPERIENCE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR
AND UNIFORM MAKES SURE I WILL
ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES, REBUILD
CANADA, AND OUR PLACE IN THE
WORLD.
>> THANK YOU, MR. O'TOOLE.
MR. MacKAY.
>> Peter MacKay: OF COURSE
I'VE ONLY FOCUSED ON BRINGING
CONSERVATIVES TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE SINCE MY
EARLIEST DAYS BACK IN 1997 WHEN
I FIRST LEFT THE PROSECUTOR'S
OFFICE TO JOIN THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY IN THAT ELECTION, AND I'VE
WORKED WITH STEPHEN HARPER, I'VE
WORKED WITH SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES, FISCAL
CONSERVATIVES, ACROSS THE
SPECTRUM.
IN FACT, I DON'T SPEAK OF TRUE
BLUE.
I SPOKE OF EVERYONE WHEN I SPEAK
OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
NO HYPHENATED KEVIN.
LET'S GET BEHIND A CONSERVATIVE
PLAN AND LEADER WHO CAN WIN.
I COME FROM ATLANTIC CANADA.
I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE IN THE GTA
WITH MY FAMILY.
I'VE WORKED AND LIVED IN MANY
PARTS OF CANADA AND WHAT I HEAR
OFTEN IS WE NEED TO GET THE
PARTY TOGETHER IN ORDER TO KEEP
THE COUNTRY TOGETHER.
WE NEED SOMEONE SERIOUS.
>> Erin O'Toole: WE NEED
SOMEONE READY TO LEAD NOW.
>> Peter MacKay: I CAN LEAD
NOW AS I HAVE IN THE PAST.
>> Erin O'Toole: JUSTIN
TRUDEAU --
>> Peter MacKay: IT'S NOT JUST
ABOUT BEING IN THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS.
>> MR. O'TOOLE, I'M GOING TO LET
MR. O'TOOLE GO AND THEN YOU.
>> Erin O'Toole: JUSTIN
TRUDEAU HAS BEEN SUPPRESSING
DEMOCRACY, HE'S SPENDING A
QUARTER OF A TRILLION DOLLARS.
THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE KNOW WITH THE LIBERALS WHAT
HAPPENS, CORRUPTION.
PARLIAMENT WILL RECONVENE IN
SEPTEMBER.
I WILL BE A LEADER TO HOLD HIM
TO ACCOUNT.
>> LAST TEN SECONDS TO
MR. MacKAY.
>> Erin O'Toole:  -- TO WIN IN
SOUTHERN ONTARIO AND B.C.
>> Peter MacKay: I REMEMBER IN
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS WHEN THE
ENTIRE SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL
BROKE, AND WE PUSHED ON THE
GOVERNMENT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE,
AND WE NEED TO DO THAT AGAIN.
WHEN WE HAVE A PARLIAMENT AGAIN,
WHICH MR. TRUDEAU HAS SHUT DOWN
UNFORTUNATELY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. MacKAY.
THE SECOND QUESTION WILL BE
POSED TO MR. SLOAN AND
DR. LEWIS.
>> HELLO, CANDIDATES.
MY NAME IS JOSEPH AND I LIVE IN
THE RIDING OF MILTON.
IF ELECTED LEADER, WHAT WILL YOU
DO TO ENSURE THAT SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES ARE ABLE TO PLAY
AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE FUTURE OF
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF
CANADA?
>> LOVELY RIDING OF MILTON.
MR. SLOAN, PLEASE START US OFF,
30 SECONDS.
>> Erin O'Toole:
SECONDS.
>> Leslyn Lewis:
SECONDS.
>> Derek Sloan: WE CAN'T BE
AFRAID TO ADDRESS VALUES.
THE LIBERALS ARE SO RADICALLY
FAR TO THE LEFT WHEN IT COMES TO
CONVERSION THERAPY AND ABORTION
THAT WE CAN GAIN GROUND ON THESE
IDEAS.
MANY NEW CANADIANS ARE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES, THEY DON'T
BELIEVE THAT THERE'S 72 OR 102
GENDERS, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR
KIDS TO BE CONFUSED.
AND REMEMBER, STEPHEN HARPER
WHEN HE CUT FUNDING FOR FOREIGN
ABORTIONS, THAT WE WON A
MAJORITY AFTER THAT, WHEN DOUG
FORD CAMPAIGNED AGAINST THE SEX
ED CURRICULUM, WE WON IN
ONTARIO.
WE CAN TAKE PRINCIPLED STANCES
AND WIN.
>> THANK YOU.
DR. LEWIS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVISM IS A VERY, VERY
IMPORTANT PART OF OUR PARTY AND
ONE OF THE REASONS I DECIDED TO
RUN IS BECAUSE I SAW THE DIVIDE
WITHIN OUR PARTY.
I SAW THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL
THAT SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES WOULD
BE OUSTED FROM THE PARTY, AND I
THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT
WE RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE WITH
TRADITIONAL VALUES, PEOPLE WITH
RELIGIOUS VALUES, THAT ALL OF
THESE PARTS ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR
GREAT DEMOCRACY, AND THAT IS
WHAT I WOULD DO, IS UPHOLD ALL
OF THESE VALUES WITHIN OUR
PARTY.
>> THANK YOU, DR. LEWIS.
NOW THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR TWO
MINUTES.
MR. SLOAN, IF YOU COULD BEGIN.
>> Derek Sloan: WELL, I DON'T
THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ARGUING
TOO MUCH HERE, LESS
 LESLYNI
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
RECOGNIZE THERE IS A LOT OF
AGREEMENT WITHIN THE PARTY,
BEHIND THE SCENES, EVEN MY TWO
FRIENDS HERE PETER MacKAY AND
ERIN O'TOOLE WOULD AGREE WITH ME
THAT IT'S NOT RIGHT THAT CANADA
DOESN'T HAVE ANY LAWS WHEN IT
COMES TO ABORTION, FOR INSTANCE.
IT IS OUT OF WHACK, IT'S OUT OF
WHACK WITH OTHER DEVELOPED
NATIONS, IT'S OUT OF WHACK WITH
MOST OF THE DEVELOPED WORLD, AND
WE CAN KID OURSELVES AND SAY,
WELL, YOU KNOW, IF WE TALK ABOUT
THAT, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE.
EVERYTHING THE LIBERALS CAMPAIGN
ON IS DIVISIVE.
WE CAN'T IGNORE DIVISION.
>> DR. LEWIS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: I'M SORRY.
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVISM HAS A WIDE
PERSPECTIVE, WIDE VARIETY OF
PEOPLE.
MY PLATFORM IS BASED ON FOUR
PILLARS.
UPHOLDING PARENTAL AUTHORITY,
UPHOLDING DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS,
COMPASSION FOR THE VULNERABLE,
FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
PARENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO GOVERN
THEIR CHILDREN AND TO RAISE
THEIR CHILDREN IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THEIR VALUES, AND THE
CORNER STONE -- THE FAMILY IS
THE CORNERSTONE AND THE BEDROCK
OF OUR SOCIETY.
I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD EVEN
HAVE A PARENTAL RIGHTS BILL SO
THAT PARENTS CAN UPHOLD THE
RIGHTS OF THEIR CHILDREN ACROSS
THIS COUNTRY, EVEN IN OUR SCHOOL
SYSTEMS.
>> MR. SLOAN.
>> Derek Sloan: THANK YOU.
AND THERE'S SO MANY WAYS THE
LIBERALS HAVE GONE JUST SO FAR
TO THE LEFT.
A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS BILL
C-8 AND THIS IS A BILL THAT WILL
TAKE A PARENT AND POTENTIALLY
JAIL THEM IF THEY WANT TO GET
THEIR CHILD WHO'S EXPERIENCING
GENDER DYSPHORIA, GENDER
AFFIRMING COUNSELLING.
I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT,
YOU KNOW, KIDS GO THROUGH A LOT
OF DIFFERENT THINGS, AND WE KNOW
THAT MOST KIDS THAT GO THROUGH
GENDER DYSPHORIA GROW OUT OF IT.
>> Leslyn Lewis: THE ISSUE --
>> LAST 10 SECONDS, DR. LEWIS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: THE ISSUE
IS -- THE ISSUE IS THAT IT'S
STILL PARENTAL AUTHORITY, THAT A
PARENT COULD BE JAILED OR EVEN A
PASTOR COULD BE JAILED FOR
HAVING THESE NORMAL DISCUSSIONS
WITH CHILDREN.
WE SHOULD ALLOW CHILDREN TO JUST
BE CHILDREN.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO
QUESTION NUMBER THREE.
>> HELLO.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE AND I'M FROM
HAMILTON EAST STONEY CREEK.
MY QUESTION FOR THE CANDIDATES
IS HOW CAN WE DEVELOP OUR
ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP WHILE
ECONOMICALLY DEVELOPING OUR OIL,
GAS, AND NATURAL RESOURCES?
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME ASK
THIS QUESTION.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
>> DR. WILL YOU SIS, OVER TO YOU
FOR 30 SECONDS, PLEASE.
 -- DR. LEWIS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: MY PLAN IS TO
DEVELOP OUR NATURAL RESOURCES IN
AN ENVIRONMENTALLY-SUSTAINABLE
MANNER AND I HAVE FOUR POLICIES
TO DO THAT.
THE FIRST IS TO INCENTIVIZE
CORPORATIONS.
THEN TO BRING IN BALANCED
REGULATION AND ALSO TO CLEAN UP
THE ORPHAN WELLS AND ALSO TO
ADOPT A NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL
POLICY.
MY POLICY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
ALL CANADIANS HAVE CLEAN AIR,
CLEAN WATER, AND LIVE ON
UNCONTAMINATED SOIL.
>> THANK YOU, DR. LEWIS.
MR. O'TOOLE.
>> Erin O'Toole: THIS IS A
GREAT QUESTION.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT
BALANCE.
LET ME BE CLEAR.
I WILL KILL THE CARBON TAX.
GET PIPELINES BUILT.
AND WIN THE NEXT ELECTION WITH A
REAL ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN.
THESE ARE THREE THINGS THAT
MR. MacKAY CANNOT DO.
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS MAKING US LESS
COMPETITIVE, AND HE'S DICTATING
AN OTTAWA KNOWS BEST APPROACH TO
THE PROVINCES.
WHAT PREMIER KENNEY OR PREMIER
FORD IS DOING TO LOWER
EMISSIONS, WE SHOULD RESPECT AND
SUPPORT.
OUR COUNTRY PLAN HAS A REBUILD
CANADA SECTION THAT WILL GET US
BACK ON TRACK AND HELP THE
ENVIRONMENT.
>> THANK YOU, MR. O'TOOLE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR TWO
MINUTES, DR. LEWIS, IF YOU
BEGIN.
>> Leslyn Lewis: MY POLICY
INCENTIVIZES COMPANIES TO
DEVELOP INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES
AND THESE TECHNOLOGIES WILL
UPLIFT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR
ECONOMY SIMULTANEOUSLY.
I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE DEVELOP
OUR ECONOMY AND OUR ENVIRONMENT
WITHOUT FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.
WE WILL STIMULATE CORPORATIONS
BY HAVING THEM INVEST IN
INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES WE MEANS
BRINGING IN TAX CREDITS.
WE WILL SELL OUR LIQUEFIED
NATURAL GAS ABROAD TO BRING DOWN
EMISSIONS IN PLACES LIKE CHINA
WHO ARE STILL DEPENDENT UPON
COAL.
WE WILL REDUCE REGULATION AND
CREATE SIMPLIFIED PROCEDURES.
>> THANK YOU, DR. LEWIS.
THANK YOU.
I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER TO MR. 
MR. O'TOOLE.
>> Erin O'Toole: I AGREE
ENTIRELY WITH DR. LEWIS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF AMAZING
CANADIAN TECHNOLOGIES WE CAN
USE.
NUCLEAR POWER, CARBON CAPTURE
AND SEQUESTRATION, OUR LNG CAN
SHIFT GOAL EMISSIONS OVERSEAS,
SO I SUPPORT THAT.
THERE ARE 70,000 JOBS IN NUCLEAR
ALONE.
I'VE BEEN A SUPPORTER OF THAT
SINCE I WAS FIRST ELECTED.
I ALSO HAVE PROPOSED A STRATEGIC
NATIONAL PIPELINES ACT THAT WILL
MAKE CABINET THE DECISION MAKER
SO THAT PROJECTS CAN GET GOING.
JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS TAKEN AN
IDEOLOGICAL APPROACH.
HE KILLED ENERGY EAST.
HE KILLED NORTHERN GATEWAY, A
PIPELINE ONE-THIRD OWNED BY
INDIGENOUS CANADIANS.
AND THEN HE HAD TO BUY THE
REMAINING PIPELINE.
WE NEED TO MAKE IT A CABINET
DECISION AND A PRIME MINISTER, I
WILL SHOW THE COUNTRY THAT
PIPELINES ARE IN THE NATIONAL
INTERESTS FROM NEWFOUNDLAND AND
LABRADOR TO BRITISH COLUMBIA.
>> THANK YOU, MR. O'TOOLE.
DR. LEWIS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: I WILL MAKE
SURE THAT WE HAVE ENABLING
LEGISLATION.
WE HAVE HAD LEGISLATION THAT IS
TARGETING PROVINCES LIKE
ALBERTA.
BILL C-68, BILL C-48 AND BILL
C-69 HAS ELIMINATED OUR OIL AND
GAS SECTOR.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE FOURTH
QUESTION WHICH WILL BE POSED TO
MR. MacKAY AND MR. SLOAN.
>> HI, I'M THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY CANDIDATE OF RECORD FOR
CHURCHILL
.
AS LEADER AND PRIME MINISTER,
WHAT WOULD YOUR PLAN BE TO
TACKLE ISSUES SUCH AS CLEANING
DRINKING WATER, RURAL
CONNECTIVITY
CONNECTIVITY.
>> MR. MacKAY.
>> Peter MacKay: THANK YOU.
THE FIRST THING IS WE NEED YOU
TO RUN AGAIN.
WE NEED TO INCLUDE PEOPLE IN
EVERY INSTITUTION, EVERY PART OF
THE COUNTRY, NO BARRIERS AND
THAT IS PARTICULARLY TRUE OF THE
LARGEST AND FASTEST GROWING
POPULATION IN CANADA WHICH IS
OUR FIRST NATIONS.
YES WE NEED TO ENSURE CLEAN
WATER ON AND OFF RESERVE.
WE NEED TO ENSURE PEOPLE HAVE
BASIC RIGHTS TO OPPORTUNITY,
BASIC RIGHTS TO WORK.
I AGREE WITH MR. O'TOOLE, WE
SHOULD HAVE NATIONAL PIPELINES
IN PARTNER WITH OUR FIRST
NATIONS.
IN REAL WAYS.
AND SO THERE ARE MANY STEPS THAT
WE CAN TAKE.
MR. TRUDEAU HAS FAILED MISERABLY
WHEN IT COMES TO OUR FIRST
NATIONS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MacKAY.
MR. SLOAN, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> Derek Sloan: I THINK CLEAN
WATER SUPPLIES ON RESERVES
SHOULD BE A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
I ALSO BELIEVE THAT BRINGING AN
END TO THESE BOIL WATER
ADVISORIES NEEDS TO BE AT THE
TOP OF OUR LIST.
ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK WE
NEED TO DO IS THERE ARE SOME
LAWS THAT WERE CONTROVERSIAL
THAT STEPHEN HARPER BROUGHT IN,
THE TRANSPARENCY ACT THAT HE
BROUGHT IN.
YOU KNOW, THE TRANSPARENCY ACT
WHERE WE SEE WHERE MONEY IS
GOING HELPS MORE MONEY GET TO
WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO IN THE
BANDS AND THAT IS ALSO A
PRIORITY FOR ME.
AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT
FOR NOW.
MY TIME'S ALMOST UP.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. SLOAN.
THE FLOOR OPEN FOR TWO MINUTES.
MR. MacKAY, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> Peter MacKay: I THINK
WORKING IN REAL PARTNERSHIP AND
WORKING TOWARDS RECONCILIATION
WHICH GOES ON.
I'M PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE
DID AS A GOVERNMENT WHERE WE
WORKED TO RAISE THE RIGHTS OF
PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR WOMEN ON
RESERVE, FIRST NATIONS.
WE WORKED TO BRING ABOUT
TRANSPARENCY AS MR. SLOAN SAID.
THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF
ENSURING THAT PROGRAMS WERE
WORKING.
I WAS PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE
DID ON THE VICTIMS BILL OF
RIGHTS TO ADDRESS ISSUES ON
RESERVE OF VIOLENCE AND
EDUCATION.
IT MEANS OF COURSE WORKING
DIRECTLY WITH FIRST NATIONS AND
LISTENING TO THEM, HEARING THEIR
THOUGHTS, THEIR INPUT, AND THEIR
PROGRESS AND DREAMS AND
ASPIRATIONS.
IT IS A PRIORITY FOR US AS A
COUNTRY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS
FILE.
IT IS AN IMPORTANT ENGAGEMENT
THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE IN
MEANINGFUL WAYS THAT GET
RESULTS.
>> MR. SLOAN.
>> Derek Sloan: WE ALSO NEED
TO MAKE A CLEAR PATH FOR
RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL
BENEFIT RESERVES.
AND WE NEED TO ALLOW FIRST
NATIONS TO BE ABLE TO SAY "YES
TO ENERGY PROJECTS THAT WILL
BRING PROSPERITY TO THEIR
COMMUNITIES.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M AGAINST
THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION
ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT IT WILL ADD
ADDITIONAL COMPLEXITY TO
APPROVING THESE PROJECTS.
AND THESE PROJECTS BRING THE
LIFEBLOOD OF MONEY AND JOBS INTO
THESE COMMUNITIES.
>> MR. MacKAY.
>> Peter MacKay:
ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY
ARE THINGS THAT WE ALL WANT IN
OUR LIFE.
IT'S PROOF THAT THE FAILURE OF
THIS GOVERNMENT, WE SAW THE
BLOCKADES.
WE WANT TO SEE PROJECTS,
MEANINGFUL PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE
AND OFFER THE OPPORTUNITIES TO
OUR FIRST NATIONS.
HAVING A FIRST NATIONS
TRANSPARENCY ACT HELPS IN THAT
PURSUIT.
I'VE REACHED OUT TO MEMBERS OF
THE FIRST NATIONS COMMUNITY.
I HAD TWO COMMUNITIES IN MY
CONSTITUENCY IN NOVA SCOTIA, AND
WE SAW THE PROGRESS THAT CAN BE
MADE ON REAL PROJECTS THAT
MATTER, THAT LIFT UP THE ENTIRE
FIRST NATIONS PEOPLE.
>> Derek Sloan: UNDRIP, IT
DOES NOT RESPECT PROVINCIAL
AUTHORITY AND WE SAW PRINCIPLES
AT PLAY WITH THE COASTAL GAS
LINK BLOCKAGE IN NORTHERN B.C.
THIS IS WHAT WE WILL SEE OVER
AND OVER AGAIN IF WE ENACT
LEGISLATION BASED ON THAT
DOCUMENT INTO LAW, AND I WILL
ALWAYS FIGHT AGAINST IT, AND I
HOPE MR. MacKAY WOULD AS WELL.
>> Peter MacKay: OUR FIRST
NATIONS RANGERS PROGRAM IS A
PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE
INCREDIBLE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE TO
THIS COUNTRY BY OUR FIRST
NATIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PROGRAM
ENHANCED.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. MacKAY.
THE FIFTH QUESTION WILL BE POSED
TO MR. O'TOOLE AND MR. SLOAN.
>> HI.
I'M FROM CALGARY.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT IS
YOUR PLAN TO BRING BACK -- TO
CANADA, HOW DO YOU WANT TO
CREATE JOBS FOR OUR YOUNG
GENERATION?
>> MR. O'TOOLE, PLEASE START US
OFF, 30 SECONDS.
>> Erin O'Toole: THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
JUSTIN TRUDEAU WAS LATE ON OUR
BORDER AND LATE WITH THE
ECONOMIC RESPONSE.
AND WE'VE SEEN JUST HOW FAR
BEHIND CANADA HAS BEEN.
NO WONDER HE'S SUPPRESSING
PARLIAMENT.
HE DOESN'T WANT HIS RECORD
EXAMINED.
IN MY OUR COUNTRY PLATFORM, WE
HAVE A DETAILED PROGRAM ON BEING
SELF-SUFFICIENT IN PPE, IN
CRITICAL SECURITY SUPPLIES, IN
FOOD SECURITY.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ALSO HAVE FREE TRADE AMONGST
FREE COUNTRIES AND ADDRESS THE
COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA.
>> THANK YOU, MR. O'TOOLE.
MR. SLOAN.
>> Derek Sloan: COVID-19 HAS
HIGHLIGHTED THE IMPORTANCE OF
CANADA HAVING A RELIABLE AND
TRUSTWORTHY SUPPLY CHAIN FOR OUR
PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT
AND OUR ICU VENTILATORS AND
OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE
NEED.
IT ALSO HIGHLIGHTS A BROADER
ISSUE OF HOW CAN WE MAKE MORE
THINGS IN CANADA, HOW CAN WE
RELY LESS ON THE COMMUNIST PARTY
OF CHINA, AND HOW CAN WE ENHANCE
OUR OWN INDUSTRIES HERE IN
CANADA?
SO YES, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE IN
FAVOUR OF BRINGING OUR CRITICAL
SUPPLY CHAINS BACK TO CANADA BUT
BEYOND THAT, WE NEED TO DO MORE
MANUFACTURING AND MADE IN CANADA
IS ALWAYS BEST FOR CANADA.
>> THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR TWO
MINUTES, MR. O'TOOLE, PLEASE.
>> Erin O'Toole: THANK YOU.
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS LOSING U.N.
BIDS, UPSETTING OUR ALLIES
AROUND THE COUNTRY, AND WE'RE
NOT AT THE TABLE.
THE U.K., AUSTRALIA, AND NEW
ZEALAND ARE FORGING A FREE TRADE
PACT.
I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR CANADA
FOR MANY YEARS.
THAT WOULD ALLOW FREE TRADE
AMONGST ALLIES, AMONGST FREE
COUNTRIES.
THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA HAS
MANIPULATED WORLD TRADE ON STEEL
AND ALUMINUM.
THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT MISSED
THAT AS WELL.
TWO YEARS AGO, I ASKED JUSTIN
TRUDEAU IN THE HOUSE ABOUT THE
COMMUNIST PARTY MANIPULATION OF
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.
THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT'S LEFT
CANADA UNPREPARED.
WE NEED TO GET SERIOUS, WORK
WITH OUR ALLIES AND BE MORE
SELF-RELIANT, SELF-SUFFICIENT.
I WORKED ON TRADE IN THE PRIVATE
SECTOR, IN THE HARPER
GOVERNMENT.
I'M READY TO DO THIS.
MY "OUR COUNTRY" PLATFORM HAS A
REBUILDING CANADA, RESTORING OUR
REPUTATION AND HAVING REAL HELP
FOR FAMILIES AND SENIORS.
>> MR. SLOAN.
>> Erin O'Toole: IT'S THE PLAN
FOR THE FUTURE.
>> MR. SLOAN.
>> Derek Sloan: CONSUMERS IN
CANADA, THE U.S. AND ELSEWHERE
HAVE EFFECTIVELY FINANCED
COMMUNE CHINA'S ABILITY TO BUY
UP OUR NATURAL RESOURCE
COMPANIES BUT THIS IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE
DOING, AND I HAVE BEEN CLEAR
THAT I WOULD BAN ANY COMPANY
THAT IS A STATE-OWNED ENTERPRISE
OR AFFILIATED WITH THE COMMUNIST
PARTY OF CHINA FROM BUYING UP
OUR NATURAL RESOURCE COMPANIES
OR LAND.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY
IMPORTANT, AND ALSO WE HAVE
COMPANIES THAT HAVE SET UP
FACTORIES IN CHINA AND ARE
STEALING OUR INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY HERE IN CANADA AND
THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES.
>> Erin O'Toole: ON THAT NOTE,
THE CHINESE STATE ENTERPRISE
HUAWEI GOT ITS START IN CANADA
UNDER MR. MacKAY'S WATCH.
THEY STARTED WHEN HE WAS HEAD OF
THE CANADIAN SECURITIES AGENCY.
THEY GOT THEIR FOOTHOLD INTO 4G
UNDER RULES THAT HE APPROVED.
SO NOW WE HAVE A STATE-OWNED
ENTERPRISE TRYING TO GET INTO
OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
FOR FOUR YEARS, I'VE BEEN
AGAINST HUAWEI BEING PART OF OUR
5G.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR SECURE
INFRASTRUCTURE IS PROTECTED.
>> Derek Sloan: AND I AGREE.
I'M ALSO AGAINST HUAWEI BUILDING
OUR 5G NETWORK AND I WOULD
CERTAINLY NOT APPROVE THAT AS
LEADER OF THE PARTY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE 6th QUESTION WILL BE POSED
TO MR. MacKAY AND DR. LEWIS.
>> MY NAME IS LISA POOLE AND I'M
FROM CALGARY.
OVER ONE MILLION CANADIANS ARE
IMPACTED BY DEMENTIA, AND
EVIDENCED BY COVID-19, WE'RE
FAILING MANY OF THEM.
IF YOU'RE ELECTED LEADER OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY, DO YOU
SUPPORT THE CREATION OF AN
ALL-PARTY DEMENTIA CAUCUS?
THANK YOU.
>> NOW, BEFORE I TURN TO THE
CANDIDATES, WE'VE HAD MANY
QUESTIONS ON THIS THEME AND IT'S
NO SECRET THAT I HAVE AN
INTEREST IN THIS TOPIC AS WELL.
I ASK YOU NOT ONLY TO ANSWER
LISA'S SPECIFIC QUESTION BUT
ALSO SPEAK TO THE BROADER ISSUE
THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR
ATTENTION THROUGH OUR VIDEO
SUBMISSIONS OF AN AGING
POPULATION, OF SENIORS AND THE
NATIONAL DEMENTIA STRATEGY.
AND I'LL START WITH
MR. MacKAY.
>> Peter MacKay: THANK YOU,
LISA.
AND THANK YOU, LISA.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THERE
IS TREMENDOUS VULNERABILITY IN
OUR COUNTRY WHEN IT COMES TO
SENIORS AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE
ISSUE OF DEMENTIA THAT TOUCHES
PEOPLE IN A VERY PERSONAL WAY.
I WANT TO GIVE SENIORS EVERY
OPPORTUNITY TO STAY IN THEIR OWN
HOMES AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
I WANT TO GIVE MORE ACCESS TO
THE HEALTH CARE IN THE HOME
WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT CHANGE.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE SENIORS
HAVE TAX DEDUCTIONS TO MAKE THE
CHANGES NECESSARY TO REMAIN IN
THEIR HOMES.
AND GIVE MORE ACCESS TO THE HOME
CARE THAT THEY NEED WHEN THEY
NEED IT MOST.
THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT I
WOULD BRING FORWARD.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MacKAY.
DR. LEWIS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: YES, THANK
YOU FOR THIS QUESTION.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT A
GOVERNMENT PROVIDE SAFETY AND
SECURITY FOR ALL ITS CITIZENS,
ESPECIALLY THE MOST VULNERABLE,
AND THIS INCLUDES OUR SENIORS
AND PEOPLE SUFFERING WITH
DEMENTIA AND OTHER DISEASES.
THE RECENT TIMES, WE'VE SEEN
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TOENIORS,
AND WE'VE SEEN THE SUBSTANDARD
CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN
LIVING UNDER, AND IT'S JUST
HEART BREAKING.
I WOULD DEDICATE POLICIES TO
MAKING SURE THAT SENIORS AND
PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES
ARE RESPECTED.
>> THANK YOU, DR. LEWIS.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR
FOR TWO MINUTES.
>> Peter MacKay: I VERY MUCH
ASSOCIATE WITH WHAT DR. LEWIS
HAS SAID IN TERMS OF THE RESPECT
AFFORDED TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH TO THIS
COUNTRY AND I WOULD GO ABOUT
THAT BY ENHANCING THE DISABILITY
TAX CREDIT AS ONE METHOD TO DO
SO.
AND THIS OF COURSE ALL HAS TO BE
COORDINATED THROUGH PROVINCES
WITH THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR
HEALTH CARE.
IMPROVING THE HEALTH CARE AND
IMPROVING THE HOME CARE IS THE
WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS.
REDUCING THE COST OF HOSPITAL
AND INSTITUTIONALIZED CARE.
THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF CHANGES I
THINK THAT GIVES HEALTH CARE A
BIGGER IMPACT.
>> Leslyn Lewis: AND FOR
PEOPLE WHO DEDICATED THEIR
ENTIRE LIVES, THEY SHOULD BE
ABLE TO LIVE WITH DIGNITY, AND I
BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE
TO HAVE POLICIES THAT IMPROVE
SENIOR CARE, THAT ALLOW SENIORS
TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOMES FOR
LONGER TIME, INCREASING THE TAX
DEDUCTION SO THAT THEY CAN
MODIFY THEIR HOMES, AND ALSO
INCREASING THE PENALTIES FOR
PEOPLE WHO NEGLECT SENIORS AND
WHO MISTREAT SENIORS.
WE SHOULD ALSO HAVE HOME CARE
SERVICES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE
FUND THOSE HOME CARE SERVICES SO
THAT SENIORS CAN BE IN THEIR
HOMES FOR LONGER PERIODS OF
TIME.
WE ALSO NEED TO INCREASE
PALLIATIVE CARE AND LONG-TERM
CARE, AND FOSTER A CULTURE OF
RESPECT IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE
AGED.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Peter MacKay: I BELIEVE, AS
WELL, IN ALL OF THOSE
SUBSTANTIVE STEPS AND MORE.
ONE OF THE MORE SHOCKING THINGS
THAT WE'VE SEEN DURING COVID-19
WAS THE REPORT THAT CAME FROM
THE CANADIAN ARMED FORCES ABOUT
THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE FOUND
IN LONG-TERM HEALTH CARE
FACILITIES.
BOTH PRIVATE AND IN THE PUBLIC
SECTOR.
AND THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED IN
MEANINGFUL WAYS AND, YES, MORE
ACCOUNTABILITY.
AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR, AS A
FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL AND
JUSTICE MINISTER, PEOPLE WHO ARE
DELIBERATELY NEGLECTFUL OR EVEN
ALLOW THOSE CONDITIONS TO EXIST
HAVE TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT.
BUT IT REALLY IS ABOUT ALLOWING
SENIORS TO HAVE MORE ACCESS TO
THEIR OWN FUNDING AND TO SUPPORT
THEM IN MEANINGFUL WAYS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: THERE'S SO
MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AT
THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
WE COULD EVEN CHANGE BUILDING
CODES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
RESIDENTS HAVE MORE VENTILATION.
WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE DO NOT IMPOSE EUTHANASIA ON
THESE SENIORS BECAUSE SOME OF
THEM FEEL COMPELLED TO JUST
RELIEVE SUFFERING FROM THE
SYSTEM AND FROM THEIR FAMILY
MEMBERS.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
SUPPORT THEM.
>> THANK YOU, DR. LEWIS.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE
FACE-TO-FACE SECTION OF OUR
DEBATE.
THANK YOU, ALL CANDIDATES.
AND AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING
TO TURN TO THE SECOND HALF OF
THE DEBATE.
ALL CANDIDATES WILL BE GIVEN
OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS EACH
QUESTION POSED.
AND YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO
INITIALLY ADDRESS IT AND AFTER
THAT A FIVE-MINUTE PERIOD OF
SPIRITED YET CIVIL DEBATE.
QUESTION 7.
>> HI, MY NAME IS MAX.
AND TODAY I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT
YOU WANT TO BE THE PRIME
MINISTER OF CANADA.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAX.
WE APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
MR. O'TOOLE, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
TELL MAX WHY YOU WANT TO BE
PRIME MINISTER.
>> Erin O'Toole: WELL, THANKS,
MAX, AND HOPEFULLY YOU MIGHT
BECOME PRIME MINISTER ONE DAY.
MAX, IT'S SIMPLE.
I'M A PATRIOT.
I LOVE THIS COUNTRY.
IT BUBBLES THROUGH MY BLOOD.
THAT'S WHY I JOINED THE MILITARY
WHEN I GRADUATED FROM HIGH
SCHOOL.
AND IT'S WHY I'M SO PROUD NOW TO
REPRESENT MY HOMETOWN IN
PARLIAMENT.
AS A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT.
WE ARE THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN
THE WORLD, BUT IT'S UP TO US TO
MAKE SURE WE PRESERVE IT FOR
YOUR GENERATION.
I'M VERY WORRIED WITH WHAT
MR. TRUDEAU HAS DONE.
HE'S SADDLING YOUR GENERATION
WITH BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF
DEBT AND LESS OPPORTUNITIES AND
THIS WAS BEFORE COVID-19 HIT.
SO MAX, I'M EMPOWERED BY YOUR
GENERATION AND MY SON JACK,
WHO'S ABOUT YOUR AGE, AND MY
DAUGHTER MOLLY, WE OWE IT TO
THEM, EVERYONE HERE ON THIS
STAGE, TO GIVE THEM THE SAME
OPPORTUNITIES IN CANADA THAT WE
HAD WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP AND
WE WERE YOUR AGE.
THAT'S WHY I'M RUNNING.
LAST NIGHT, MR. MacKAY
SUGGESTED I'M ANGRY.
I AM A BIT ANGRY WITH WHAT
JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS DONE TO THIS
COUNTRY.
IN THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT,
WHEN WE LOST IN 2015, WE HAD
HIGH NATIONAL UNITY NUMBERS.
WE HAD A BALANCED BUDGET.
WE HAD LOW TAXES.
WE HAD INVESTMENT AND JOBS FOR
YOUR PARENTS, FOR EVERYONE.
ALL THAT IS GONE, THE SEPARATIST
BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS IS BACK IN THIRD
PLACE IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
THERE'S ANGER IN THE WEST AND
PEOPLE EVEN TALKING ABOUT
SEPARATION.
WE'RE WEAKER, WE'RE POORER AND
LESS RESPECTED AROUND THE WORLD.
SO THAT'S WHAT EMPOWERS ME, MAX.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE REMAIN
THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD.
JUST AS SIR JOHN A. MacDONALD
SAID OVER A CENTURY AGO.
THAT'S WHY IN MY "OUR COUNTRY"
PLATFORM WE HAVE A DETAILED PLAN
TO REBUILD CANADA AFTER
COVID-19, TO RESTORE OUR
REPUTATION ON THE WORLD STAGE,
AND TO PROVIDE REAL HELP FOR
FAMILIES AND SENIORS, MANY OF
WHOM HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND BY
TRUDEAU AS HE IS SPENDING
BILLIONS.
SO MAX, I HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE
CAMPAIGN TRAIL SOON.
>> MR. MacKAY, TWO MINUTES.
>> Peter MacKay: THANKS, MAX,
AND THE SHORT ANSWER IS FOR YOU
AND FOR YOUR GENERATION, FOR MY
CHILDREN, AND THOSE WHO COME TO
CANADA TO FIND A NEW WAY OF
LIFE.
THOSE WHO EXPERIENCE CANADA IN A
WAY THAT THEY CAN'T EXPERIENCE
IN THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
WE HAVE, AS MR. O'TOOLE SAID,
THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE IT FOR
GRANTED.
AND I SHARE THE CONCERNS OF ALL
OF THE CANDIDATES HERE FOR THE
DIRECTION THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU
HAS TAKEN OUR COUNTRY.
WE ARE MORE DIVIDED.
WE ARE TURNING ON ONE ANOTHER IN
TERMS OF REGIONS, PEOPLE,
PLACES.
WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO THE
BASICS OF ADDRESSING THE
PRIORITIES OF THIS NATION.
ENSURING THAT THERE WILL BE JOBS
FOR YOU IN THE FUTURE, MAX.
ENSURING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE ACCESS TO EDUCATION, HEALTH
CARE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
GROW UP AND LIVE OUT YOUR DREAMS
AS A CANADIAN.
AND ONE THING THAT WILL HINDER
US IN THAT PURSUIT AS
CONSERVATIVES IS WHEN WE TURN ON
ONE ANOTHER.
MAX, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PLAY
HOCKEY OR SOCCER, BUT WE KNOW
THAT THE PRINCIPLE IS TO PASS TO
ONE ANOTHER, TO BE ON THE SAME
SIDE, IS TO PURSUE A GOAL.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT IF WE
TURN ON ONE ANOTHER.
CONSERVATIVES CAN BUILD THIS
COUNTRY AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST,
AS WE WILL AGAIN.
AND YES, IT GOES BACK TO SOME OF
THOSE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF
BEING HONEST WITH ONE ANOTHER,
FINDING REAL SOLUTIONS THAT ARE
GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN
YOUR LIFE, IN YOUR PARENTS'
LIFE, MAYBE YOUR SIBLINGS.
WE GOT TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THE
FOCUS AWAY FROM WHAT DIVIDES US
AND FOCUS ON WHAT MAKES US
STRONG.
CANADA HAS BEEN GIFTED WITH
RESOURCES.
WE'VE BEEN GIFTED WITH PEOPLE,
WITH FREEDOMS, WITH LIBERTIES.
AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THOSE,
AND ENHANCE THEM, AND CONTINUE
TO GROW THIS COUNTRY FOR THE
OPPORTUNITIES OF YOU AND YOUR
GENERATION.
WE ARE CERTAINLY A COUNTRY THAT
IS ADMIRED AROUND THE WORLD,
EVEN WITH THE SETBACK THAT CAME
UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S
LEADERSHIP OR LACK THEREOF OF
PURSUING THIS U.N. COUNCIL SEAT
AND NEGLECTING THE MORE
IMPORTANT TASK OF BUILDING OUR
ECONOMY.
I HAVE AN EIGHT-POINT PLAN
DIRECTLY AIMED AT HOW WE GET OUR
COUNTRY MOVING AGAIN, GET US
BACK ON TRACK, MAKE US
COMPETITIVE, MAKE OUR COUNTRY
STRONG.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MacKAY.
MR. SLOAN, IT'S YOUR TURN TO
TELL MAX WHY YOU WANT TO BE
PRIME MINISTER.
>> Derek Sloan: THANK YOU FOR
THAT QUESTION, MAX.
AND WE LIVE IN A VERY
INTERESTING TIME, AND LIKE ALL
CONSERVATIVES, I AM VERY
OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE FUTURE, BUT
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT SOME
THINGS I'VE BEEN SEEING HERE
PRESENTLY, AND WE HAVE SO MANY
THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT
NOW.
WE'VE JUST COME OUT OF THE WORST
PANDEMIC THAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR
LIFETIME.
WE SEE A RESURGENT CHINA.
WE SEE A CRACKDOWN ON FREE
SPEECH.
WE SEE A CANCER CULTURE THAT
EXISTS IN THE WORLD OF POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS.
IT ALSO EXISTS IN SOCIAL MEDIA
WHERE WE HAVE BANNING AND SHADOW
BANNING AND ALGORITHMS THAT LEAD
PEOPLE IN CERTAIN WAYS ON SOME
OF OUR BIGGEST SEARCH ENGINES.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SCARY
AND THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT CANADA CAN BE
THE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WITH
THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING.
THE LOWEST TAX RATES.
THE HEALTHIEST CITIZENRY.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE
NEED TO FOCUS ON AND MOVE
TOWARDS.
WE CAN'T DO THAT WHEN OUR ENERGY
INDUSTRY AND OUR NATURAL
RESOURCES ARE UNDERWATER.
WE MUST GET OUT OF THE
SOVEREIGNTY-DESTROYING
AGREEMENTS THAT WE'VE SIGNED,
"NO" TO THE PARIS AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THAT.
WE HAVE TO GET RID OF JUSTIN
TRUDEAU'S BILLS, BILLS C-69 AND
C-48.
WE HAVE TO BE STRONG ON FREE
SPEECH.
THAT'S WHY I WILL GET RID OF
BILL C-16, WE'LL ALWAYS PROMOTE
A CULTURE OF FREEDOM AND I
DENOUNCE THE COUNSEL CULTURE
THAT WE SEE, SOMETIMES WE SEE IT
IN OUR OWN PARTY.
WE SAW SOME CANDIDATES
DISQUALIFIED IN THIS LEADERSHIP
RACE.
WE NEED EVERYBODY TO BE ALL
HANDS ON DECK WHETHER THEY BE
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES OR ANY
OTHER CONSERVATIVE.
WE NEED TO HAVE ONE, BIG, HAPPY
PARTY THAT'S MOVING TOGETHER,
THAT'S MOVING AS A TEAM.
AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN
ACHIEVE THAT.
I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN DO
THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS
SOME OF THE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES
THAT THE LIBERALS LIKE TO
TRAFFIC IN.
AND THOSE ARE THE WAYS WITHOUT
DEALING WITH THOSE, WE CAN'T
MOVE FORWARD, BUT WHEN WE DO, I
KNOW THAT THE BEST DAYS OF THIS
COUNTRY ARE YET AHEAD OF US.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SLOAN.
AND DR. LEWIS, IT'S YOUR LAST
PITCH TO MAX AS TO WHY YOU WANT
TO BE PRIME MINISTER.
>> Leslyn Lewis: MAX, I
BELIEVE THAT THE CHILDREN ARE
THE FUTURE.
WE NEED TO JUST TEACH THEM WELL
AND LET THEM LEAD THE WAY.
I WANT TO BE PRIME MINISTER
BECAUSE I WANT THE COUNTRY THAT
I GREW UP IN TO BE HERE FOR MY
CHILDREN.
AND I WAS VERY CONCERNED IN THE
LAST FEW YEARS, THE LAST FIVE
YEARS, I'VE SEEN THIS COUNTRY
TAKE A TURN.
I'VE SEEN THE DIMINISHMENT OF
THE CANADIAN DREAM, MAX, AND I
WANT THAT DREAM FOR YOU.
I WANT YOU TO HAVE A FUTURE THAT
I HAD, MAX.
I AM PROUD TO BE A CANADIAN.
MAX, I'M CONCERNED, WHEN I SEE
PEOPLE TELLING CANADIANS THAT
THEY SHOULD NOT BE PROUD.
I WANT YOU TO BE PROUD OF YOUR
COUNTRY, MAX.
MAX, THE FABRIC OF OUR NATION IS
JUST BEING TORN APART.
AND EVEN PROVINCES ARE
THREATENING TO LEAVE OUR GREAT
CONFEDERATION.
DEBT IS PILING UP.
THAT DEBT, YOU WILL BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR, MAX.
AND I WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE TAKE RESPONSIBLE STEPS SO
THAT YOU HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE,
THE SAME WAY THAT I HAVE A
BRIGHT FUTURE.
AND SO THAT MAX, YOU COULD HAVE
THE DREAM OF ONE DAY STANDING
HERE AND ONE DAY POTENTIALLY
RUNNING TO BE THE PRIME MINISTER
OF THIS COUNTRY.
AND IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN,
MAX, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE HAVE STRONG ECONOMIC
POLICIES, THAT WE CARE ABOUT OUR
VULNERABLE, THAT WE PROTECT OUR
CHILDREN, THAT WE MAINTAIN OUR
ENVIRONMENT, AND THAT WE CREATE
A STRONG FUTURE FOR CHILDREN
LIKE YOURSELF, MAX, BECAUSE YOU
ARE OUR FUTURE, AND YOUR LIFE
AND YOUR PROGRESS AND YOUR
HEALTH AND YOUR WELL-BEING IS
IMPORTANT TO US.
>> THANK YOU, DR. LEWIS.
CANDIDATES, YOU'RE BEING SO GOOD
AT KEEPING TO TIME, WE HAVE A
LITTLE EXTRA TIME SO WE'RE GOING
TO HAVE 7-MINUTE DEBATE AND I'M
GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE
HANDS-OFF AND LET YOU HAVE A
LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM TO HAVE
POINTED DISCUSSIONS WITH EACH
OTHER ON THE TOPIC OF WHY YOU
WANT TO BE PRIME MINISTER.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO START
OFF WITH MR. O'TOOLE AND LET IT
GO.
>> Erin O'Toole: THANK YOU
VERY MUCH, MAX.
A FEW WEEKS AGO, I WAS IN THE
HOUSE OF COMMONS, AND I ASKED
THE GOVERNMENT TO GIVE SOME
SUPPORT TO SENIORS, A ONE-TIME
BOOST TO THE OLD AGE SECURITY.
AND THEN A FEW WEEKS LATER, THEY
DID THAT.
SENIORS HAD BEEN STRUGGLING IN
COVID-19, LIKE MANY CANADIANS
HAVE.
IT SHOWS, MAX, WHY AN OPPOSITION
IS SO IMPORTANT AND WHY I'M SO
PROUD OF MY COLLEAGUES IN THE
TRENCHES HOLDING THE GOVERNMENT
TO ACCOUNT.
IN FACT, WE FIXED THE WAGE
SUBSIDY AND CERTAIN THINGS TO
SAVE JOBS, MAYBE YOUR MOM OR
DAD'S JOB, WE MADE SURE IT WAS A
HIGHER AMOUNT.
WE WERE PUSHING FOR MORE SUPPORT
FROM SMALL AND MEDIUM-SIZE
BUSINESSES.
THE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T LISTEN,
UNFORTUNATELY.
WE ALSO ASKED THEM TO CLOSE THE
BORDER IN JANUARY, SO WE WOULD
PREVENT CASES FROM COMING INTO
CANADA, AND THE TRUDEAU
GOVERNMENT DIDN'T LISTEN.
SO OUR DEMOCRACY HAS BEEN
SUPRESSED BECAUSE THE TRUDEAU
GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT TO BE
HELD TO ACCOUNT.
I'M VERY PROUD THAT I'VE BEEN
PUSHING ON A NUMBER OF THESE
MEASURES, AS AN MP BOTH IN THE
HOUSE AND ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL,
AND MY "OUR COUNTRY" PLATFORM
HAS A REBUILD CANADA PLAN, IT
WILL RESTORE OUR REPUTATION AND
PROVIDE REAL HELP FOR FAMILIES
AND SENIORS LIKE WE WERE ABLE TO
DO BY ADVOCATING FOR THE OSA FOR
YOUR GRANDPARENTS, MAX.
THAT'S WHAT OUR DEMOCRACY'S
ABOUT, AND I'M VERY PROUD TO
HAVE WORKED WITH MY COLLEAGUES
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS TO HOLD
MR. TRUDEAU TO ACCOUNT.
I'M READY TO BEAT HIM IN
SEPTEMBER.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS RACE IS
REALLY ABOUT.
>> Peter MacKay: IT IS ABOUT
THAT, AND IT IS ABOUT PRESSING
THE GOVERNMENT, AND IT'S
INCREDIBLE WHAT YOU CAN DO WHEN
YOU GET TO THE PARLIAMENT OF
CANADA.
AND THESE CANDIDATES HERE,
OBVIOUSLY, ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT
IMPORTANT IDEAS THAT AFFECT YOU,
MAX, THAT AFFECT CANADIANS, AND
THAT AFFECT THE WORLD FRANKLY.
BUT THERE IS NOTHING LIKE BEING
IN GOVERNMENT AND HAVING THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THOSE
POLICIES AND BRING THOSE LAWS
FORWARD AND TO MAKE THE CHANGES
THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE THE
LIVES OF CANADIANS.
HAVING SPENT TIME AT THE CABINET
TABLE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE
LAST RECESSION, IN 2008 AND
2009, WE ENTERED IT WITH A
BALANCED BUDGET.
AND WE CAME OUT STRONGER.
YES, WE HAD TO DO STIMULUS
SPENDING, BUT THERE WAS
OVERSIGHT, THERE WAS A
RESPONSIBLE PARLIAMENT THAT WAS
WATCHING THESE PLANS AND THEN
QUICKLY, WE REEMERGED STRONGER
THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET CANADIANS
BACK TO WORK.
WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD OUR
COUNTRY UP AGAIN.
USE OUR NATURAL RESOURCES TO OUR
ADVANTAGE WHILE RESPECTING THE
ENVIRONMENT.
WHILE DOING SO AND SETTING WORLD
STANDARDS, REACHING OUT TO OTHER
COUNTRIES THAT NEEDED OUR HELP,
RESPONDING TO HAITI, BUILDING UP
OUR CANADIAN ARMED FORCES WHO
HAVE BEEN A BASTION FOR HOPE AND
SECURITY AND FREEDOM AROUND THE
WORLD.
WHAT WE DID IN AFGHANISTAN IS
BREATHTAKING.
OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM
WERE LIBERATORS.
THEY WENT THERE AND UNDER THEIR
PROTECTION, WE WERE ABLE TO
BUILD SCHOOLS, VACCINATE
CHILDREN, LEAVE THE PLACE BETTER
THAN WE FOUND IT.
AND WE CAN DO THE SAME FOR OUR
COUNTRY.
WHEN IN GOVERNMENT, WE WANT TO
LEAVE IT BETTER FOR YOU, BETTER
FOR YOUR PARENTS, AND BETTER FOR
YOUR ENTIRE GENERATION.
AS DR. LEWIS SAID, WE WANT THIS
COUNTRY TO BE A PLACE THAT YOU
CAN BE PROUD OF, THE WAY WE ARE
PROUD OF THIS COUNTRY.
>> Leslyn Lewis: MAX, IT IS
ALSO SO IMPORTANT, MAX, THAT
YOUR PARENTS HAVE AUTHORITY TO
RAISE YOU IN ACCORDANCE WITH
THEIR VALUES AND THEIR BELIEFS,
MAX, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES
THAT ARE PUSHING YOU THROUGH
LIFE.
GOVERNMENTS DO NOT LOVE
CHILDREN, MAX.
PARENTS LOVE CHILDREN.
AND AS SUCH, GOVERNMENT SHOULD
NOT INTERFERE WITH YOUR PARENTS'
AUTHORITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
GIVE YOU THE BEST LIFE.
IN ADDITION, MAX, WE ARE SEEING
OUR DEMOCRACY JUST BEING
UNDERMINED, OUR DEMOCRATIC
VALUES.
MAX, I WILL UPHOLD FUNDAMENTAL
PRINCIPLES.
YOUR FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
YOUR FREEDOM OF BELIEF.
YOUR FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE.
AND YOUR FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION.
MAX, I BELIEVE THAT AS A
GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, WE ARE
ELECTED TO SERVE YOU, MAX, AND I
WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE WILL
ALWAYS RESPECT YOUR RIGHTS.
WE ALSO HAVE TO BE COMPASSIONATE
BECAUSE ONE DAY, MAX, YOUR
PARENTS ARE GOING TO BE ELDERLY,
AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN A
POSITION WHERE THEY MAY NOT BE
ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES,
AND WE HAVE TO VALUE THE
CONTRIBUTION THAT THEY HAVE MADE
TO OUR SOCIETY.
AND WE MUST TAKE CARE OF OUR
VULNERABLE.
INCLUDING EVEN THE ENVIRONMENT,
MAX, BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO
SUSTAIN FOR YOUR GENERATION AND
GENERATIONS --
>> Derek Sloan: I AGREE WITH
YOU, DR. LEWIS, AND I WOULD LIKE
TO ADD ONE THING IMPORTANT TO
ME, MAX, IS THE WAY IN WHICH
WE'RE SELLING OUT CANADA PIECE
BY PIECE AND ONE IMPORTANT ISSUE
THAT I BELIEVE RESONATES IN THE
GTA AND OTHER AREAS IS THE
DEGREE TO WHICH OUR HOUSING
VALUES HAVE EXPLODED OVER THE
LAST YEARS AND ESSENTIALLY
DECADE.
AND FOR ME, WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK
AT THE NUMBERS AND WE'VE SEEN
THAT OUR IMMIGRATION LEVELS IN
THIS COUNTRY ARE HIGHER THAN THE
AVERAGE FOR DEVELOPED NATIONS.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF
NEW CANADIANS THAT ARE SETTLING
IN THE GTA, WE'RE SEEING THAT
THE SUPPLY AND THE DEMAND ARE
OUT OF WHACK WHEN IT COMES TO
NEW HOUSING UNITS THAT COME ON
TO THE MARKET.
SO WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT
AND SAID REDUCE THE NUMBER OF
IMMIGRANTS SO WE CAN HAVE
HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE.
WITHOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE
CAN'T LIVE AND WORK AND ENJOY
LIFE AS IT WAS MEANT TO BE AND
ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL MENTION
QUICKLY IS THE PARIS AGREEMENT.
THE PARIS AGREEMENT IS SELLING
OUT OUR OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY.
IT HAS AN ASPIRATIONAL GOAL OF
NET ZERO BY 2050, BY THE SECOND
HALF OF THIS CENTURY.
THAT MEANS AN ASPIRATIONAL GOAL
OF SHUTTING DOWN OUR ENERGY
SECTOR.
WE CANNOT DO THAT AND I ASK
THESE OTHER CANDIDATES HERE
TONIGHT TO AGREE WITH ME ON
THAT.
>> Leslyn Lewis: MAX, I'M VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR GENERATION
BEING SADDLED WITH DEBT.
I THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE FOR
GOVERNMENT TO SADDLE FUTURE
GENERATIONS WITH DEBT, AND
THAT'S WHY, MAX, IT IS VERY
IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE STRONG
FISCAL POLICIES.
MY POLICIES WILL MAKE SURE THAT
FUTURE GENERATIONS, LIKE
YOURSELF, ARE NOT INDEBTED, MAX,
SO THAT YOU HAVE A FAIR
OPPORTUNITY AND SO THAT YOU CAN
HAVE THE SAME CHANCE TO SUCCEED
THAT I'VE HAD TO SUCCEED, MAX.
>> Peter MacKay: AND PART OF
THE CHANCES, MAX, WILL BE
TECHNOLOGY AND THE JOBS OF THE
FUTURE, AND YOU ARE PART OF A
GENERATION THAT WILL BE THE MOST
EDUCATED, THAT WILL HAVE THE
WORLD IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND,
BUT THAT'S ALSO A CHALLENGE.
BECAUSE THERE'S VULNERABILITIES
BECAUSE OF NEW TECHNOLOGY AND WE
NEED TO ENSURE BROAD BAND
INTERNET IS AVAILABLE IN EVERY
PART OF THIS COUNTRY, EVERY
COMMUNITY, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO
BE CAREFUL OF THE
VULNERABILITIES THAT THIS
CREATES.
I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY ENJOY
PLAYING THOSE GAMES SOMETIMES,
AND BEING ONLINE.
BUT LET'S BE CAREFUL OF THE
VULNERABILITIES BECAUSE OF THE
NEW FREE TRADE AGREEMENT, THERE
IS NEW VULNERABILITIES.
>> Erin O'Toole: MY SON WAS
MORE EXCITED ABOUT THE LAUNCH OF
THE NEW "FORTNITE" THAN THE
SCHOOL PLAN.
WE NEED TO ENSURE MORE CHILD
CARE EXPENSES ARE DEDUCTIBLE.
PARENTS NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY
TO JUGGLE THE FAMILY WHICH IS
CRITICAL AND THE ABILITY TO WORK
AND PROVIDE FOR IT AND AS DEREK
SAID PARTICULARLY IN SOME OF THE
SUBURBAN AND URBAN COMMUNITIES,
THAT'S EXPENSIVE.
THAT'S WHY WITH REAL HELP, MORE
SUPPORT FOR PARENTS, ALLOWING
THEM TO WORK AND PROVIDE FOR
THEIR FAMILIES IS AT THE CORE OF
MY PLAN.
>> MAX, I HOPE YOU GOT AN ANSWER
TO YOUR QUESTION TONIGHT FROM
OUR CANDIDATES.
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO QUESTION
NUMBER 8, PLEASE.
>> HI, MY NAME IS JESUS AND I'M
FROM OTTAWA, ONTARIO.
MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS YOUR VIEW
ON RACISM AND HOW WOULD YOU DEAL
WITH IT.
>> Peter MacKay: SYSTEMIC
RACISM EXISTS IN OUR COUNTRY AND
COMMUNITIES.
I GREW UP IN A SMALL TOWN IN NEW
GLASGOW THAT HAS THE SHAME OF
HAVING EXCLUDED VIOLA DESMOND
FROM A THEATRE AND THIS WAS AN
ISSUE THAT I WAS ALWAYS AWARE OF
MY ENTIRE LIFE AND SO ONE OF THE
MOST IMPORTANT THINGS I THINK WE
HAVE TO DO, JESUS, IS LISTEN,
AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE
THE EXPERIENCE, WHO HAVE LIVED
IT, AND GO ABOUT WAYS MAKING A
REAL EFFORT IN EDUCATION, IN THE
WAY THAT WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES
OF OPPORTUNITY, AND REMOVE THE
BARRIERS.
IT REALLY IS THE ACTION TIME.
IT'S THE ACTION TIME TO GET
THINGS DONE.
IT'S THE ACTION TIME AS WELL TO
RESPECT THE VIEWS OF EVERYBODY
ON HOW WE BUILD A COUNTRY THAT
IS MORE INCLUSIVE.
WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE REPUTATION
FOR HAVING OPENED OUR DOORS AND
OPENED THE OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT WE STILL HAVE SYSTEMIC
RACISM WHEN IT COMES TO OUR
FIRST NATIONS.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHALLENGES
THAT THEY STILL FACE AND THE
EXCLUSION THAT THEY STILL FEEL.
WE HAVE LESSONS THAT CAN BE
TAUGHT AT HOME, IN OUR SCHOOLS,
IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE, IN THIS
DEBATE, AND SO IT IS THE ACTION
PART.
WE HAVE A PRIME MINISTER WHO DID
BLACKFACE.
HE'S NOT WELL-SITUATED TO LEAD
THE COUNTRY IN A WAY THAT IS
GOING TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES IN
A REAL WAY.
IT HAS TO GO WELL BEYOND THE
SYMBOLS.
WE NEED ACTION ON RESPECTFUL
DISCUSSIONS AROUND POLICING.
HAVING MORE MEMBERS OF OUR
VISIBLE MINORITY COMMUNITY, OUR
CULTURAL COMMUNITIES REPRESENTED
IN THE INSTITUTIONS IS WHAT I
BELIEVE WILL NOT ONLY SYMBOLIZE
PROGRESS BUT WILL BRING ABOUT
THE PROGRESS BECAUSE THERE WILL
BE GREATER DISCUSSION AND
DECISION MAKING IN THE HALLS OF
JUSTICE, IN THE HALLS OF
BUSINESS, IN THE HALLS OF
GOVERNMENT, AND IN OUR
INSTITUTIONS.
WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN
ENSURING THAT WE HAVE BETTER
MENTAL HEALTH OUTCOMES FOR THOSE
WHO ALSO ARE DISCRIMINATED
AGAINST.
WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE
ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ABUSE BECAUSE
OF THEIR PLACE OF ORIGIN OR
BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEF.
THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT WE
CAN DO AND CONTINUE TO DO AND
HAVING AN HONEST AND SOMETIMES
AWKWARD DISCUSSION IS PART OF
THOSE STEPS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MacKAY.
MR. SLOAN, TWO MINUTES.
>> Derek Sloan: CANADA HAS
MADE MISTAKES IN THE PAST, BUT
IT IS ALSO AN OPEN COUNTRY, IT
IS A DIVERSE COUNTRY, AND IT
ALWAYS STRIVES, IN MY VIEW, TO
BE THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE.
I BELIEVE THAT WE DO HAVE
PROBLEMS WITH RACISM IN CANADA
AND THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE
RACIST IN CANADA, LIKE MANY
COUNTRIES DO, BUT I DON'T
BELIEVE WE SHOULD CALL CANADA A
RACIST COUNTRY.
I BELIEVE THAT CANADA IS A
BEACON OF LIGHT AND LIBERTY
ACROSS THIS NATION AND THAT WE
HAVE MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO
TO IMPROVE BUT THERE'S MANY
THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE THAT
OTHER COUNTRIES LOOK UP TO US
FOR.
I'LL RAISE AN ISSUE THAT I
BELIEVE IS IMPORTANT.
AND WE DO HAVE A FORM OF
SYSTEMIC RACISM IN CANADA AND IT
IS THE LAW BILL 21 THAT WE HAVE
IN QUEBEC.
IT IS A VIOLATION OF MINORITY
RIGHTS.
IT TREATS PEOPLE WHO ARE
OBSERVANT JEWS AND SIKHS AND
OTHERS IN A WAY DIFFERENTLY THAN
IT DOES PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S AN ISSUE AND I
KNOW THAT WE DON'T LIKE TO TALK
ABOUT IT, WE FEEL THAT IT WILL
HURT US IN QUEBEC, AND YOU KNOW,
I OBVIOUSLY RESPECT PROVINCIAL
JURISDICTION.
BUT THIS BILL IS NOT RIGHT AND
I'M AGAINST IT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE
OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN WORK
TOGETHER TO PRESERVE QUEBEC'S
UNIQUE CULTURE, AND I CALL ON
THE OTHER CANDIDATES TONIGHT TO
MAKE A STATEMENT ON THIS BILL AS
I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SLOAN.
DR. LEWIS.
>> Leslyn Lewis: THANK YOU.
SO RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION
EXIST IN EVERY SOCIETY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, CANADA IS NO
EXCEPTION.
BUT WE HAVE TO DISTINGUISH
BETWEEN INDIVIDUAL RACISM AND
SYSTEMIC RACISM.
MANY PEOPLE RESPOND TO THE
QUESTION OF SYSTEMIC RACISM BY
SAYING I'M NOT A RACIST.
THAT IS INDIVIDUAL RACISM.
THAT SHOWS EVIL INTENT.
SO SYSTEMIC RACISM, WE HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND IS SOMETHING VERY
DIFFERENT.
IT DEALS WITH OUTCOMES.
OUTCOMES THAT ARE NEGATIVE.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE
SYSTEM, WE CAN ASSESS AND WE CAN
SAY THAT WE HAVE HAD RESIDENTIAL
SCHOOLS IN CANADA, AND THAT HAS
LED TO A NEGATIVE OUTCOME.
WE CAN SAY THAT THERE ARE
DIFFERENT OUTCOMES IN THE
EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, AND THOSE
CAN BE TIED WITH RACE.
WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT
OUTCOMES IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM.
IF WE TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN A
FIRST NATIONS PERSON, A FIRST
NATIONS PERSON CHARGED WITH THE
SAME CRIME AS A NON-FIRST
NATIONS IS MORE LIKELY TO BE
FOUND GUILTY OF THAT CRIME, IS
MORE LIKELY TO BE CHARGED.
WHEN CHARGED, HIGHER CONVICTION
RATE.
WHEN CONVICTED, HIGHER
SENTENCES.
LESS CHANCE TO GET BAIL.
SO THESE ARE THINGS WITHIN THE
SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TO SAY THAT
WE CAN MAKE BETTER.
CANADA IS THE BEST COUNTRY IN
THE WORLD.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT MAKE
IT BETTER.
I FEEL THAT WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS
WE SHOULD EXAMINE THE SYSTEMS
AND ATTEMPT TO MOVE AWAY FROM
SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE
DESTRUCTIVE AND DESTROY SYSTEMS
THAT ARE IMPERFECT.
ALL SYSTEMS ARE IMPERFECT.
AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM,
WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN
MODIFY CERTAIN INSTITUTIONS SUCH
AS OUR POLICE, HOW WE CAN MODIFY
OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM, HOW WE CAN
MODIFY OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM SO WE HAVE BETTER
OUTCOMES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
DR. LEWIS.
OVER TO YOU, MR. O'TOOLE.
>> Erin O'Toole: THANK YOU,
JESUS, FOR THE QUESTION.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE THAT MANY
FAMILIES HAVE BEEN HAVING
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT INCLUDING
REBECCA WITH OUR CHILDREN.
WE LIVE IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY
IN THE WORLD.
AND AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS, IT'S
OUR COMMITMENT TO MAKE SURE IT
LIVES UP TO THE IDEALS THAT WE
WANT IT TO BE.
I THINK CONSERVATIVES ARE
ACTUALLY VERY WELL-PLACED TO BE
THE CHAMPIONS FOR THIS APPROACH
BECAUSE OUR INHERENT PRINCIPLES
OF REWARDING HARD WORK, RESPECT
FOR OTHERS, LIBERTY,
OPPORTUNITY, THOSE ARE AT THE
CORE OF WHO WE ARE AS
CONSERVATIVES.
THEY ACTUALLY UNITE ALL PARTS OF
OUR MOVEMENT SO WE SHOULD UNITE
BEHIND A ZERO TOLERANCE APPROACH
TO ANY FORM OF RACISM,
ANTI-SEMITISM, DISCRIMINATION.
WE MUST MAKE SURE WE SHOW THAT
WE WANT MERIT AND SUCCESS TO BE
THE BEST, NOT THE COLOUR OF
SOMEONE'S SKIN, NOT WHERE
THEY'VE COME FROM, HOW LONG THEY
HAVE BEEN IN CANADA, THEIR
FAITH.
WE SHOULD REALLY MAKE SURE WE
STRIVE TO BE THE CANADA THAT WE
ALL KNOW WE ARE BUT WE NEED TO
BE ALWAYS STRIVING TO BE BETTER.
RECONCILIATION IS PARTICULARLY
IMPORTANT.
I'VE SAID HOW JUSTIN TRUDEAU
WILL DO SYMBOLIC GESTURES LIKE
TAKING A NAME OF A FATHER OF
CONFEDERATION OFF A BUILDING.
BUT THEN HE'LL, THE NEXT DAY,
CANCEL A PIPELINE THAT DOZENS OF
INDIGENOUS BANDS WERE PLANNING
ON EMPLOYMENT AND WEALTH
CREATION FOR THEIR PEOPLE.
THERE WAS NO CONSULTATION WHEN
HE DID THAT WITH NORTHERN
GATEWAY.
WHAT IS RECONCILIATION?
IT NEEDS TO BE PARTICIPATION.
COLLABORATION.
IN THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IS
CANADA.
THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
THAT'S WHY, AS A PRIVATE SECTOR
LAWYER, I VOLUNTEERED SOME TIME
ON FIRST NATION BUSINESSES AND
OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT
RECONCILIATION IS A RECOMMITMENT
TO OUR COUNTRY.
I SERVED IN THE MILITARY, AND
I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN SOMEONE HAS
YOUR BACK, YOU DON'T CARE WHAT
BACKGROUND THEY HAVE.
IT'S TRUST.
YOU'RE BROTHERS IN ARMS, AND
THAT'S THE APPROACH WE SHOULD
HAVE AS CANADIANS.
SUPPORTING ONE ANOTHER, STRIVING
TO REMAIN THE BEST COUNTRY IN
THE WORLD.
>> THANK YOU, MR. O'TOOLE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR 7
MINUTES, CANDIDATES.
WE START WITH MR. MacKAY.
>> Peter MacKay: I THINK THE
COLLABORATION ASPECT OF JESUS'
QUESTION IS WHAT WE NEED TO COME
BACK TO AND THAT IS HOW WE
ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS IN
OUR JUSTICE SYSTEMS, DR. LEWIS
DISCUSSED.
HOW DO WE GET TO A PLACE THAT WE
HAVE THE FRANK DISCUSSIONS
MR. O'TOOLE DISCUSSED.
I TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH MY WIFE
WHO CAME TO CANADA AS A CHILD
AND EXPERIENCED RACISM.
THE DISCUSSIONS ARE IMPORTANT.
THE LISTENING PERHAPS IS MORE
IMPORTANT THAN EVER OF.
THE SAYING OF WALKING IN
SOMEBODY'S SHOES IS SOMETHING WE
HAVE TO BE DEEPLY THOUGHTFUL
ABOUT.
AND TALK ABOUT WITH OUR CHILDREN
AS WELL.
BUT IT IS ABOUT STOPPING IT.
AND STAMPING IT OUT.
AND BEING INTOLERANT OF
INTOLERANCE.
WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO EXIST IN
OUR INSTITUTIONS, AND THE POLICE
QUITE FRANKLY HAVE TO BE A BIG
PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE THE POLICE ARE TASKED
WITH ENFORCING OUR LAWS.
THE POLICE ARE ON THAT
PROVERBIAL FRONT LINE BUT I DO
NOT BELIEVE THAT DEFUNDING OUR
POLICE IS THE ANSWER.
I DO BELIEVE IN, OF COURSE,
SUPPORT FOR OUR SOCIAL SERVICES.
MAKING NECESSARY INVESTMENTS IN
EDUCATION.
HAVING THOSE FRANK DISCUSSIONS.
BUT OUR POLICE, LET'S NOT
FORGET, HEROES LIKE HEIDI
STEVENSON IN NOVA SCOTIA, DAVID
WYNNE IN ALBERTA, THEY PUT THEIR
LIVES ON THE LINE MUCH LIKE OUR
ARMED FORCES PERSONNEL, FIRST
RESPONDERS DEALING WITH
COVID-19.
DEFUNDING THEM HAS THE EXACT
OPPOSITE EFFECT OF WHAT WE NEED.
WE NEED TO TALK TO THEM, WE NEED
TO HAVE EDUCATION ABOUT WHEN TO
USE FORCE AND THE PROPER
EXERCISE OF AUTHORITY.
THOSE WILL MAKE REAL
DIFFERENCES, JESUS, IN YOUR
COMMUNITY AND IN ALL
COMMUNITIES.
>> Leslyn Lewis: WE ALSO HAVE
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T JUST
ENGAGE IN VIRTUE SIGNALLING
BECAUSE THE PRIME MINISTER TOOK
A KNEE, AND HE'S THE PRIME
MINISTER.
SO HE HAS AN ABILITY TO MAKE
SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.
TAKING A KNEE IS JUST A SYMBOL.
IF HE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING
ABOUT MAKING THIS COUNTRY A
BETTER PLACE, HE CAN DO IT.
AND SO I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY
IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE
REALISTIC, REAL CHANGES.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT
DEFUNDING THE POLICE IS A
REALISTIC OPTION.
BECAUSE THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS
THAT RUN INTO DANGER WHEN WE'RE
RUNNING AWAY FROM IT.
AND SO WE NEED TO HONOUR THEM.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF
THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH
THAT INSTITUTION, THAT WE WORK
TOGETHER AS A NATION TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE BUILD IT UP INSTEAD
OF TEARING IT DOWN.
>> Erin O'Toole: I AGREE WITH
DR. LEWIS.
IT NEEDS REAL ACTION AND THIS IS
WHERE, AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS, AS
MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT, WE HAVE A
ROLE TO PLAY TO ENSURE THAT
CANADA DOES LIVE UP TO THE
IDEALS THAT WE WANT IT TO BE.
AND REAL ACTION AS OPPOSED TO
OFTEN SYMBOLISM.
I THINK MANY CANADIANS WHO
WATCHED JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S PRESS
CONFERENCE MONTHS AFTER MONTHS
AFTER MONTHS ABOUT STAYING HOME
AND THEN HE CHOOSES NOT TO
FOLLOW HIS OWN GUIDANCE FOR
POLITICAL REASONS, EVEN THOUGH
THE CAUSE IS IMPORTANT, IS NOT
LEADERSHIP.
HE NEEDS TO SHOW A SUBSTANTIVE
COMMITMENT TO MAKING SURE THAT
THERE'S A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD,
MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE ARE
SOME GROUPS NOT REPRESENTED,
THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR
THEM TO BE REPRESENTED.
I SAW THAT FIRSTHAND WHEN I WAS
SERVING IN THE MILITARY.
THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE A LOT
DONE WITH RESPECT TO GENDER AS
WELL.
I SAW THAT IN THE LEGAL
PROFESSION WHEN I WAS THERE, NOT
ENOUGH WOMEN ADVANCING TO BE
PARTNERS AT LARGE LAW FIRMS,
OTHER THINGS.
SO I THINK THERE'S MANY THINGS
WE CAN DO, AND I AGREE WITH
DR. LEWIS, IT HAS TO BE ACTION.
YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE A PLAN.
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THEY CAN ALWAYS IMPROVE I
CANNOT APPROVE DEFUNDING
THEM.
AND I OF COURSE AM OK WITH
PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS BUT
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME WHO
JOINED IN CERTAIN
DEMONSTRATIONS IN THIS
COUNTRY AND PARTICULARLY
UNITED STATES, THAT IT
PROMOTED VIOLENCE AND
PROMOTED FOR THE SAKE OF IT.
AND I'M AGAINST THIS FORM OF
LAWLESSNESS AND FOR SOME OF
THESE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE
ANTIFA I WOULD DECLARE THEM
A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION FOR
THEIR PROMOTION OF
LAWLESSNESS AND ANARCHY.
>> YES.
I THINK THAT AS
CONSERVATIVES, WE'RE IN A
VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY,
BECAUSE OUR VALUES SUPPORT
ELIMINATING DISCRIMINATION.
WE ARE THE PARTY THAT
BELIEVES IN EQUALITY OF
OUTCOME.
WE BELIEVE THAT OUTCOMES
SHOULD BE SYSTEMICALLY EQUAL,
AND THAT MEANS THAT WE DON'T
DESTROY SYSTEMS.
WE WORK TO IMPROVE THEM.
AND WE MUST DO THAT WITHOUT
LABELS, BECAUSE I HEARD FROM
SO MANY CANADIANS THAT WERE
SO HURT BY JUSTIN TRUDEAU
SAYING THAT CANADIANS ARE
RACIST.
MANY CANADIANS HAVE GOOD
INTENT AND THEY WANT TO WORK
TOGETHER WITH THEIR CANADIAN
BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND
FAMILY TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY
A BETTER PLACE, AND WHEN WE
START LABELLING PEOPLE
NEGATIVELY TDOES NOT SOLVE
ANYTHING.
SO LET'S LOOK AT WHERE THE
PROBLEMS REALLY ARE.
WE KNOW THAT SOME SYSTEMS
HAVE NEGATIVE OUTCOMES AND
SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER IN
FIXES THO -- FIXING THOSE
UNITED AS A CANADIAN FAMILY.
>> I'LL JUST JUMP IN QUICKLY
HERE.
SORRY TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MISSPOKE
OR NOT, BUT FOR ME,
CONSERVATIVES DESERVE A
EQUALITY -- EQUALITY OF
OPPORTUNITY.
IF WE DON'T SEE EQUALITY OF
OUTCOME, THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT WE CAN HOPE FOR AND
WISH FOR.
BUT PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE
DIFFERENT.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE
WHO ARE A LITTLE BIT TALLER,
A LITTLE BIT IS THAT RIGHT
ER, DO THEIR HOME DRB --
SHORTER.
DO THEIR HOMEWORK.
WE NEED A SYSTEM THAT IS
FAIR TO EVERYBODY BUT
RESPECTS THE TIME THAT TIME,
CHANCE, LUCK, TRYING HARDER,
TRYING LESS HARDER, HAPPENS
TO ALL OF US AND THERE WILL
BE DIFFERENT OUTCOMES IN
TERMS OF WEALTH AND OTHER
OUTCOMES IN SOCIETY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I -- ABSOLUTELY, I BELIEVE
THAT.
I BELIEVE IN PERSONAL
RESPONSIBILITY.
PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE PERSONAL
RESPONSIBILITY AND THAT'S
NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MAKING
THE SYSTEMS BETTER.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE TO
BUILD UP THE FAMILY.
THE FAMILY IS THERE BEFORE
ANY CHILD HITS AN
INSTITUTION.
SO IF WE BUILD UP THE FAMILY,
WE MAKE SURE THAT CHILDREN
ARE RAISED WITH STRONG
VALUES AND ALL THE SUPPORTS
THAT THEY NEED.
THEN WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE
IN THOSE CHILDREN GETTING
THROUGH THOSE INSTITUTIONS.
>> YES, MERIT AND HARD WORK
AND ALL OF THOSE VALUES THAT
WE IN THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
ADHERE TO.
BUT THERE HAS TO BE A
RECOGNITION, TOO, OF SOME OF
THE UNCONSCIOUS BIAS THAT
EXISTS, AND WE HAVE TO WORK
IN TERMS OF REMOVING THOSE
BARRIERS.
AT ANY TIME WE WANT TO SEE
THE ADVANCEMENT BASED ON
MERIT, BASED ON INCLUSION.
WE WANT TO SEE CULTURAL
COMMUNITIES TRULY FEEL
WELCOME IN OUR PARTY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. MACKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
QUESTION NUMBER NINE.
>> HELLO.
I'M JOANNE THIBAULT FROM
VICTORIA, BRITISH COLUMBIA.
THE PRIME MINISTER HAS MADE
A SERIES OF MAJOR RAPID FIRE
DECISIONS -- CANADA FOR
COVID-19.
WHAT IS ONE DECISION THAT
YOU DON'T THINK WAS WELL
MADE AND WHAT DECISION WOULD
YOU HAVE MADE INSTEAD?
THANK YOU.
>> MR. SLOAN, PLEASE GO
AHEAD.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
>> AS SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN
OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF
MONTHS, BUT I BELIEVE WE DID
A LOT OF THINGS WRONG HERE.
WE HAD OF COURSE A
GOVERNMENT WHICH FIRST FELT
THAT THERE WAS NO DANGER AT
ALL IN REGARDS TO COVID-19.
THEY LISTENED TO EVERY
SINGLE THING THAT THE WORLD
HEALTH ORGANIZATION SAID,
WHICH WE NOW KNOW IS
COMPROMISED BY COMMUNIST
CHINA, AND I OF COURSE
BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO
DEFUND THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION COMPLETELY.
WE CAN'T HAVE POLITICALLY
MOTIVATED ORGANIZATIONS
GIVING US ADVICE AND WE KNOW
THAT CHINA WAS CRACKING DOWN
ON THEIR OWN CITIZENS WHO
WERE TRYING TO SPREAD THE
ALARM ABOUT THIS VIRUS.
WE KNOW THAT TAIWAN, FOR
AN -- AS AN EXAMPLE -- I'M
GLAD THAT WE CAN SAY THE
WORD TAIWAN.
I KNOW EVERYONE HERE WILL DO
THAT, UNLIKE SOME IN THE
LIBERAL PARTY.
BUT TAIWAN OF COURSE TOOK
STEPS VERY EARLY ON TO STOP
TRAVEL FROM AFFECTED AREAS,
TO TEST PEOPLE.
AND THEY HAVE HAD VERY FEW
CASES, UNDER 1,000.
THEY'VE HAD -- LAST TIME I
CHECKED -- UNDER 10 DEATHS,
AND THEY'RE 100 MILES OFF
THE COAST OF MAINLAND CHINA.
SO WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE
TAKEN THIS VIRUS SERIOUSLY.
WE SHOULD HAVE RECOMMENDED
COMMON-SENSE THINGS LIKE
WEARING MASKS OR SOCIAL
DISTANCING.
I BELIEVE IF WE WOULD HAVE
GOT THIS EARLY AND DONE OUR
TRAVEL BANS EARLY FROM
AFFECTED AREAS, WE WOULD NOT
HAVE HAD TO DO A COMPLETE
ECONOMIC SHUTDOWN.
WE CANNOT AFFORD TO DO THIS
EVERY TWO YEARS WHEN ANOTHER
VIRUS COMES OUT OF CHINA OR
WHEREVER ELSE IT'S GOING TO
COME.
WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THIS
AGAIN.
WE MUST MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE TESTING REGIMENS IN
PLACE.
WE MUST MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE EXPERTS WHO GIVE US THE
RIGHT ADVICE.
WE DID NOT HAVE IN THIS
SITUATION AND IT IS EXACTLY
WHAT CAUSED AN ECONOMIC
SHUTDOWN THAT ULTIMATELY
BECAME JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S
DREAM.
HE GETS TO HAND OUT MONEY
BASICALLY FOR FREE AND HE
GETS TO RIDE -- RISE IN THE
POLLS.
WELL, HIS RECKONING DAY IS
COMING.
IT'S COMING SOON, AND WE
WILL HIT HIM DEAD ON WITH
WHAT HE'S DONE WITH THIS AND
WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST
MAYBE $1 TRILLION IN
DEFICITS SO.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SLOAN.
DR. LEWIS, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
TWO MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT
QUESTION.
I THINK IT WAS VERY
IMPORTANT AT THE OUTSET,
EVEN THOUGH WE WERE IN A
CRISIS SITUATION, TO DO A
COSTED IMPACT ASSESSMENT SO
THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
THE COST IS.
WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR IT AND
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR
FINANCE MINISTERS AND I
THINK THAT'S SOMETHING VERY
IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THAT WAY
WE'RE NOT SADDLED WITH A
FUTURE TASK.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE
CLOSED THE BORDERS VERY,
VERY EARLY, QUARANTINED
INDIVIDUALS, REPATRIATE
CANADIANS BACK TO CANADA AND
QUARANTINE THEM, AND WE
NEEDED TO RELY ON OUR OWN
DATA AND NOT THE DATA THAT
CAME OUT OF CHINA AND THE
W.H.O..
WE ALSO NEEDED A BETTER
EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS
STRATEGY, AND WE NEED TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT IN
THE FUTURE, HAVING KEY
MANUFACTURING SECTOR TO DEAL
WITH OUR ESSENTIAL GOODS,
SUCH AS OUR STOCKPILING OF
OUR SUPPLIES.
THEY WERE VERY LOW.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ALSO CLOSED THE BORDER.
THE BORDER WAS CONSTRAINED
BY POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
AND VERY EARLY ON, I CALLED
JUSTIN TRUDEAU OUT ON THAT,
BECAUSE I CALLED HIM OUT ON
STATING THAT IT WAS NOT
RACIST TO MAKE A PUBLIC
SAFETY DECISION FOR THE
BENEFIT OF CANADIANS.
IT WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY
DECISION.
I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE
SHOULD HAVE PLANNED FOR A
RAINY DAY.
WE'RE RUNNING A DEFICIT IN
TIMES OF PROSPERITY.
WE HAD FIVE YEARS OF
PROSPERITY WHERE WE COULD
HAVE HAD A SURPLUS AND THAT
WAY WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
GOING INTO CRISIS IN SUCH A
NEGATIVE SITUATION.
I FEEL THAT THE MODELLING
WAS TOO LATE, THAT THERE WAS
LOTS OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT
MASKS.
MASKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORN
AT AN EARLIER DATE.
WE SHOULD HAVE SHUT DOWN
TRAVEL EARLIER.
WE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED TO
OTHER COUNTRIES, LIKE SOUTH
KOREA, TAIWAN AND HONG KONG
AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY WERE
DOING AND THEIR SUCCESSES
INSTEAD OF RELYING SOLELY ON
CHINA.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
DR. LEWIS.
MR. O'TOOLE, WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT COVID-19.
WHAT DECISION DID YOU
DISAGREE WITH AND WHAT WOULD
YOU HAVE DONE?
>> THANKS FOR THE QUESTION,
JOANNE.
IT'S A HARD ONE.
TO JUST PICK ONE MISTAKE BY
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN THE
COVID-19 CRISIS, THAT'S HARD,
BUT IT CERTAINLY HAS TO BE
THE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS.
HE WAS IGNORING THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY WHICH
STARTED RAISING THIS IN
JANUARY.
IN FEBRUARY I PUT OUT A
DETAILED PLAN ON HOW TO STOP
FLIGHTS FROM CHINA, IRAN,
ITALY OTHER COUNTRIES THAT
HAD INFECTIONS AND TO
ACTUALLY GET THE E.I. SYSTEM
PREPARED FOR PEOPLE THAT
WOULD HAVE TO QUARANTINE.
THEY, BY MID MARCH, JUSTIN
TRUDEAU AND MINISTER HAJDU
WERE STILL FEELING PEM THERE
WAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT
AND CLOSING THE BORDER WOULD
HAVE NO IMPACT.
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID?
THEY MADE THE CHALLENGE
HARDER FOR PREMIER FORD,
PREMIER LEGAULT AND OTHER
PREMIERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY
WHO HAD TO RESPOND WITH THE
HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
SO IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
HAD NOT BOTCHED THE TRAVEL
AND QUARANTINING AND
AIRPORTS, WE'D BE MUCH
BETTER OFF LIKE OTHER
COUNTRIES.
THEIR RESPONSE ON BOTH THE
HEALTH CRISIS AND THE
ECONOMIC CRISIS WAS BOTH
SLOW AND CONFUSED.
THEY SPENT BILLIONS MORE
THAN THEY NEEDED TO BECAUSE
THEY WERE LATE TO THE GAME.
AS I SAID EARLIER, TWO WEERS
AGO IN THE HOUSE I ASKED
JUSTIN TRUDEAU ABOUT THE
CHINESE MANIPULATION OF THE
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.
THEY WERE EXCLUDING TAIWAN
AND OTHER COUNTRIES FROM
PANDEMIC PLANNING.
TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE
DEMANDING FOR TRUDEAU TO GET
PREPARED.
HE WAS NOT.
IN FACT, HE SENT MASKS AND
P.P.E. TO CHINA AS HIS OWN
OFFICIALS WERE TELLING THEM
THERE WAS A CRISIS
DESCENDING UPON CANADA.
IT'S THE HIGHEST ORDER OF
FAILED LEADERSHIP I'VE SEEN
IN MY LIFETIME AS A CANADIAN,
AND WE WILL REBUILD CANADA
AND GET US READY FOR NEXT
TIME.
IN MY REBUILD CANADA PLAN,
WE HAVE A PLAN FOR
RESILIENCY, FOR
SELF-SUFFICIENCY OF CRITICAL
P.P.E., MEDICAL SUPPLIES AND
TO MAKE SURE WE REBALANCE
TRADE AND RELATIONS WITH
OTHER COUNTRIES.
WE NEED TO DO MORE AMONGST
THE FREE WORLD.
I'VE BEEN CALLING FOR REFORM
OF THE UNITED NATIONS FOR
MANY YEARS.
WE HAVE TO BE READY FOR A
POTENTIAL SECOND WAVE.
I'LL BE READY AS PRIME
MINISTER.
>> MR. MACKAY?
>> THIS IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT QUESTION.
WOULD IT HAVE BEEN DONE
DIFFERENTLY UNDER A
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT
BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU'VE
HEARD HER TEALS ME WE
SHOULDN'T HAVE CLOSED
PARLIAMENT.
JUSTIN TRUDEAU SHOULDN'T
HAVE TRIED TO AVOID
ACCOUNTABILITY.
THAT DAY IS COMING AND IS
COMING IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
WE WILL SEE ACCOUNTABILITY
FOR CHINA AS WELL BUT ALL OF
THESE IDEAS ARE TRUE.
IF WE MOVED QUICKER ON THE
CLOSING OF THE BORDERS, IF
WE HAD MOVED QUICKER TO GET
TESTING IN PLACE.
IF THERE WAS A MORE
COORDINATED EFFORT WITH THE
PROVINCES, AND IN FACT IF WE
HAD COLLABORATED MORE WITH
OUR ALLIES AT THE VERY
BEGINNING, I BELIEVE WE
WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN LEFT TO
RELY SOLELY ON INFORMATION
THAT WAS BEING FUNNELLED
THROUGH THE KIDNEYS OF THE
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.
WE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE
EXAMPLE OF COUNTRIES THAT
DID WELL.
OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED KROO --
SOUTH KOREA, TAIWAN,
SINGAPORE.
THERE WERE MANY SIGNALS ON
THE HORIZON THAT THIS COULD
HAPPEN AGAIN.
LET'S NEVER FORGET SARS,
H1N1.
WE SHOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY
BEEN STOCKPILING AND
PREPARING FOR THIS.
AND THE ADVICE OF SENDING 16
TONNES OF PERSONAL MEDICAL
EQUIPMENT AND ON THAT PLANE
WE SHOULD HAVE HAD MICHAEL
CORCAN -- AND MICHAEL SPAVOR
BACK WHO HAVE BEEN IN
CUSTODY IN CHINA FOR 150
DAYS.
WE WILL DO MUCH BETTER UNDER
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT.
ALL OF THIS ADVICE, ALL OF
THESE KIDS -- IDEAS COULD
HAVE BEEN FLUSHED OUT IN
PARLIAMENT.
WE COULD HAVE HAD COMMITTEES
THAT ALLOWED THESE IDEAS TO
BE COMING FORWARD, TO BE
DISCUSSED, TO BE REBUTTED
AND TO BE DEBATED.
THOSE WERE THE IMPORTANT
TIMES, AND IT WAS TOO LATE
FOR MUCH OF THE ACTION THAT
CAME.
YES, THE INDISCRIMINATE
SPLAYING OF MONEY INTO THE
ECONOMY IS MUCH DIFFERENT
THAN WHAT WE DID, ALBEIT IN
A DIFFERENT TIME IN THE
RECESSION OF '08-09.
WE TOOK THOUGHTFUL STEPS.
WE ENTERED THAT PERIOD WITH
A BALANCED BUDGET AND WE
EMERGED STRONGER.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET BACK TO
A BALANCED BUDGET, WHICH
SEEMS SO LONG AGO.
BUT HUMAN HEALTH AND
ECONOMIC HEALTH REQUIRE AN
ALL HANDS ON DECK APPROACH
NOW.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
SEEING DISCUSS UNDER THIS
DEBATE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING
CONSERVATIVES COME FORWARD
WITH.
THOUGHTFUL, FORWARD-LOOKING
AND POSITIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO
OUR SYSTEM AND TO OUR
COUNTRY.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MACKAY.
THE FLOOR'S OPEN FOR 7
MINUTES.
>> I JUST WANT TO ADD HERE
THERE'S A LOT OF CIVIL
LIBERTIES ISSUES THAT ARE AT
STAKE HERE AS WELL.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS
THAT I GET MOST -- THE MOST
QUESTION I GET FROM
CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS ACROSS
THE COUNTRY IS WHETHER I
SUPPORT MANDATORY VACCINES.
AND THIS IS A QUESTION THAT
WE'RE SEEING THROWN AROUND
IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
WE'RE SEEING CANADA TEAM UP
WITH A COMPANY IN CHINA
THAT'S AFFILIATED WITH THE
CHINESE MILITARY.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T BLAME
SOMEONE FOR BEING SCEPTICAL
ABOUT THAT SORT OF ALLIANCE
WITH A COMPANY IN CHINA AND
I WOULD NEVER SUPPORT
MANDATORY VACCINATIONS FOR
CANADIANS.
WE ALSO HAVE ISSUES WITH
SOME LEGISLATORS THAT WANT
TO TRACK PEOPLE'S MOVEMENTS
WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN
QUARANTINE.
ONE OTHER BIG ISSUE I HAVE
IS SOCIAL MEDIA CENSORSHIP.
WE SEE COMPANIES LIKE
YOUTUBE SAYING WELL, IF YOU
PUT OUT A VIDEO THAT
DISAGREES WITH GOVERNMENT
ADVANTAGE ON THE PANDEMIC
WE'RE GOING TO PULL IT DOWN.
WELL, EXCUSE ME.
WE COULD HAVE HAD VIDEOS
ADVISING TO WEAR MASKS,
ADVISING TRAVEL BANS PULLED
DOWN BECAUSE OF OUR LIBERAL
GOVERNMENT'S FLIP-FLOPS.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IDEAS
CAN GET OUT THERE.
PUBLIC AUTHORITIES CAN BE
WRONG.
LET ME SAY THAT.
THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION, OTHER --
PEOPLE OF AUTHORITY CAN BE
WRONG.
WE BELIEVE THAT AS
CONSERVATIVES.
WE ALWAYS MUST QUESTION THE
GOVERNMENT.
NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE
NEED TO BELIEVE ALL THE --
YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT
THINGS THAT WE HEAR?
NO, NOT NECESSARILY BUT IT'S
A FREE SOCIETY AND WE CANNOT,
WE CANNOT ALLOW THESE SOCIAL
MEDIA COMPANIES TO DISTORT
THE TRUTH, AND WE HAVE GREAT
VIDEOS POINTING OUT THE
ORIGINS OF THE VIRUS AND
DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS
EVEN SCEPTICAL OF DIFFERENT
WAYS OF COUNTING.
I'M AGAINST THAT FULL STOP.
>> SHARING OF INFORMATION IS
ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT.
WE CAN DO SO AT THE SPEED OF
LIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO
SHARE INFORMATION, WHICH IS
WHY WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
LOOKING FOR OTHER SOURCES
NOT RELYING SOLELY ON THE
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AS A
COUNTRY NOW TO BRACE OUR
SELF IF THERE IS A SECOND
WAVE BUT IT ALSO MEANS
TAKING STEPS TO IMPROVE OUR
ECONOMY, TO PAY FOR THE
NECESSITIES THAT CANADIANS
WILL NEED IN THE FUTURE, TO
OPEN UP THE JOBS, TO GET
PEOPLE OFF A GOVERNMENT
ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND BACK
INTO THE WORK FORCE, TO TAKE
FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE
ADVANTAGES THAT WE ENJOY IN
THIS COUNTRY.
OUR MASSIVE NATURAL RESOURCE
CAPACITY.
THE WORLD IS GOING TO NEED
FOOD AND IT'S GOING TO NEED
ENERGY AND WE HAVE AMPLE OF
BOTH AND WE CAN TAKE CARE OF
OUR OWN PEOPLE AND ALSO
PROVIDE THOSE NECESSITIES OF
LIFE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
WORLD WHICH WILL HELP IN SO
MANY OTHER WAYS.
IT HELP WITH THE
ENVIRONMENT.
IT WILL HELP WITH HUMAN
HEALTH, LOWERING GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSIONS PARTNERING
WITH COUNTRIES WHO NEED OUR
HELP WHO ARE LEE ON UGG.
THIS IS ALSO PART OF OUR
RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY TO
STOP THE OUTBREAK OF THESE
PAMS WHERE AND WHEN WE FIND
THEM.
WE HAVE BEEN A COUNTRY THAT
HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF
BEING A GENEROUS, THOUGHTFUL
NATION.
WE SHOULD HAVE TAIWAN IN THE
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION,
NOT STANDING IN THEIR WAY.
WE SHOULD BE EFFECTIVELY
ADVOCATING AT THE UNITED
NATIONS, NOT PANDERING TO
THEM.
THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE
TIME TO TRY TO REFORM THE
UNITED NATIONS AS SUGGESTED
BY MR. O'TOOLE.
WE NEED TO ACTUALLY REFORM
OUR ECONOMY --
WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
FEED OUR PEOPLE --
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> OUR PEOPLE.
>> MAKE OUR COUNTRY --
>> I BELIEVE --
>> COMMENT MADE.
>> I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR FOUR
YEARS, YOU REFORM THE UNITED
NATIONS BY HOLDING YOUR
MONEY BACK.
OTHER COUNTRIES ARE STARTING
TO DO THAT.
I'VE SEEN U.N. FAILURES ON
PEACEKEEPING.
WE'VE HAD CANADIAN
PEACEKEEPERS HURT MENTALLY
FROM U.N. CORRUPTION.
REMEMBER RWANDA.
WE'VE SEEN THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION CORRUPTED.
WE'VE SEEN TRADING AND
SCANDALS OF CORRUPTION
WITHIN THE U.N.
THE FREE COUNTRIES OF THE
WORLD NEED TO UNITE AND SAY
WE'RE NO LONGER GOING TO LET
THE BAD ACTORS OF THE WORLD
RUN THESE INSTITUTIONS.
WE HAVE TO REFORM THEM.
WE'VE HEARD LEADERSHIP FROM
AUSTRALIA ON THIS.
BUT JUSTIN TRUDEAU WAS SO
OBSESSED WITH HIS VANITY
PROJECT FOR SECURITY COUNCIL
SEAT THAT HE PUT HIS OWN
PERSONAL INTEREST AHEAD OF
THE NATIONAL INTEREST.
SO MR. MACKAY, WE NEED
CANADIAN LEADERSHIP NOW ON
THE WORLD STAGE.
WE NEED TO RESTORE OUR
REPUTATION.
I'VE SERVED OUR COUNTRY
OVERSEAS WITH OUR NAVY AND
WITH OUR ALLIES.
CANADIAN LEADERSHIP IS
NEEDED TO MAKE THESE
INSTITUTIONS BETTER SO
THEY'RE NOT CORRUPT, SO THE
WORLD IS READY NEXT TIME.
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO
LOOK WITHIN.
I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD
NEVER AGAIN BE IN A
SITUATION WHERE WE ARE
UNPREPARED.
THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT
FOR US TO DEVELOP OUR
MANUFACTURING CAPACITY, AND
WE NEED AN EMERGENCY
PREPAREDNESS STRATEGY SO
THAT WE ARE NEVER FOUND IN
THIS POSITION AGAIN.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT
GOVERNMENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE
FOR OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY
AND THEY ARE IN A POSITION
WHERE WE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN
THEIR PLANNING ABILITY.
WE SHOULD NOT BE CAUGHT OFF
GUARD AGAIN AND WE NEED TO
REDISCOVER OUR MANUFACTURING
SECTOR.
AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO
PROVIDE TAX INCENTIVES FOR
COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO
PRODUCE THESE ESSENTIAL
EQUIPMENT LIKE RESPIRATORS,
LIKE GLOVES, LIKE MASKS.
THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE
PRODUCED WITHIN OUR COUNTRY.
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> THANK YOU.
>> CAPACITY.
>> WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
MR. SLOAN.
>> I'M GLAD YOU RAISED
ESSENTIAL SERVICE BECAUSE I
WAS THINKING OF ONE MYSELF.
I WAS SO SICK OF THE FACT
THAT THERE WAS HUNDREDS OF
PEOPLE IN WAL-MART, YOU
KNOW, PEOPLE OUT
DEMONSTRATING AND YET OUR
CHURCHES WERE CLOSED.
CHURCHES, I THINK WE CAN ALL
AGREE, SHOULD BE AN
ESSENTIAL SERVICE AND WE
NEED TO GET OUR CHURCHES
OPEN SO THAT WE CAN GET BACK
TO WORSHIPPING LIKE BEFORE.
THANK YOU.
>> MR. O'TOOLE.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU,
DR. LEWIS.
WE CAN ALSO REFORM THE WORLD
TRADE ORGANIZATION SO THAT
BAD ACTORS LIKE CHINA AREN'T
DUMPING STEEL, ALUMINUM AND
DISPLACING GOOD CANADIAN
JOBS IN HAMILTON, IN KITIMAT,
B.C. IN THE SAGUENAY REGION
OF QUEBEC.
WE SHOULD BE PARTNERING TO
HAVE FREE TRADE AMONGST FREE
COUNTRIES.
MR. MACKAY SEEMS OK WITH THE
STATUS QUO, NOT DEMANDING
BETTER FROM THE W.T.O., NOT
DEMANDING BETTER FROM THE
U.N.
THIS IS WHY IT'S TIME FOR
NEXT GENERATION OF TRUE-BLUE
LEADERSHIP TO MAKE THESE
INSTITUTIONS BETTER.
HOLD PEOPLE TO ACCOUNT AND
DON'T ALLOW BAD ACTORS OF
THE WORLD TO GAME THEM.
THE W.M.O. -- W.H.O. --
>> IDEAS AND YOU'RE SEEING A
LOT OF THIS TONIGHT AND IT
HAPPENS FOR US AS A PARTY.
WE WERE ABLE TO NOT ATTACK
EACH OTHER BUT ATTACK THE
LIBERALS AND FOCUS OUR
ATTENTION ON PRESENTING
IDEAS.
I AGREE WITH DR. LEWIS'
DISCUSSION AROUND
MANUFACTURING AND WE NEED TO
ENSURE THAT WE'RE
ENCOURAGING CANADIANS TO BUY
CANADIAN, TO MOVE IN THE
DIRECTION OF TRAVELLING MORE
IN CANADA, TO EMBRACING
MANUFACTURING, YES.
CERTAINLY OUR TAX SYSTEM
NEEDS TO BE REFORMED MUCH
IT'S BEEN 50 YEARS SINCE WE
HAD MEANINGFUL TAX REFORM.
WE NEED TO BUILD GOVERNMENT
FINANCE DG --
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> GOVERNMENT.
AS THE WAY WE TALK TO
GOVERNMENT --
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> WHEN WE HAD MEANINGFUL
DEFICIT REDUCTION ACTUALLY
AND MS. RAITT WAS THERE AS
WELL.
WE MADE CHANGES THAT BROUGHT
GOVERNMENT SPENDING BACK
UNDER CONTROL.
THAT WILL BE NEEDED IN THE
POST COVID-19 WORLD.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BRINGING THE MODERATOR INTO
THE DEBATE BY THE WAY.
CANDIDATES WE ARE NOW MOVING
ON TO THE TENTH QUESTION
WHICH YOU'D THINK IS THE
LAST QUESTION.
WE'RE THROWING ANOTHER
CURVEBALL.
THERE WILL BE AN ELEVENTH
QUESTION SO DON'T PUT AWAY
YOUR NOTES RIGHT AWAY.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE
TENTH QUESTION PLEASE.
>> GREETINGS.
MY QUESTION TO THE
LEADERSHIP CANDIDATE IS WHAT
ARE YOUR STRATEGIES TO
INCREASE THE PARTY BASE?
ESPECIALLY THE MINORITY.
THANK YOU.
>> DR. LEWIS, THIS ONE'S TO
YOU FIRST.
YOU'VE GOT TWO MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR
QUESTION.
I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO
EXPAND OUR BIG BLUE TENT AND
WE NEED TO RESPECT DIVERSITY
OF THOUGHT SO THAT WE CAN
BRING IN -- MOVE PEOPLE INTO
OUR PARTY.
WE NEED TO DIVERSIFY, BRING
IN NEW IMMIGRANTS, REACH OUT
TO YOUNG PEOPLE, BRING BACK
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES,
PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES,
FISCAL CONSERVATIVES,
LIBERTARIANS, PEOPLE WHO
HAVE LEFT THE P.P.C. PARTY.
BRING THEM BACK IN AND I
FEEL THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS
ON BROADENING OUR SUPPORTER
BASE, LOOKING AT THE URBAN
CENTRES, MAKING SURE THAT WE
CAN REACH OUT TO NEW
IMMIGRANTS, THAT WE CAN
REACH OUT TO PEOPLE OF
COLOUR AND THAT WE CAN BRING
THEM INTO THE PARTY.
I'M THE PERSON THAT CAN DO
THAT.
I FEEL THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO
FOCUS ON OUR ENVIRONMENT
BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE I'VE
HEARD DID NOT WARM UP TO OUR
PARTY BECAUSE OF OUR
ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES.
I FEEL THAT OUR UNITY IS OUR
STRENGTH.
I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO ALSO
FOCUS ON INDIVIDUALS WHO
HAVE LEFT THE PARTY AND WHO
HAVE GONE TO -- TO THE OTHER
PARTIES, SUCH AS THE GREEN
PARTY OR THE P.P.C..
WE NEED TO BRING THOSE
INDIVIDUALS BACK.
AND WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO
DIVERSE COMMUNITIES.
I'M THE ONLY INDIVIDUAL THAT
I'VE WORKED IN DIVERSE
COMMUNITIES ON THE GROUND,
IN THE GRASSROOTS, IN URBAN
CENTRES.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS
TO REACH OUT TO THOSE
COMMUNITIES.
IN 2015, WHEN I RAN IN
SCARBOROUGH ROUGE PARK, I
HAD TO BRING IN PEOPLE FROM
THE MOST DIVERSE RIDING IN
THE COUNTRY IN A FOUR-WEEK
PERIOD, AND I DID THAT BY
REACHING OUT, GOING, TALKING
TO PEOPLE, RELATING TO THEM,
MAKING SURE THAT WE GO TO
THE TEMPLES, WE GO TO THE
SYNAGOGUES, WE GO TO THE
CHURCHES, WE GO TO THE
COMMUNITY CENTRES AND
COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE IN
THEIR NICHE, IN THEIR
COMMUNITIES.
>> THANK YOU, DR. LEWIS.
MR. O'TOOLE, TWO MINUTES TO
YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTION.
I AGREE WITH LOT OF WHAT
DR. LEWIS SAID AND LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER
ON THAT AS ALL ERV --
CONSERVATIVES LOOK TO INVITE
MORE YOUNG PEOPLE INTO OUR
MOVEMENT AND NEW FIRST-TIME
VOTING CONSERVATIVES.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE
REALLY NEED TO DO
PARTICULARLY IN THE SUBURBS
AND CITIES OF THE COUNTRY.
I'VE WON IN THE GREATER
TORONTO AREA THREE TYPES
WITH AN APPROACH OF BUILDING
A GREAT TEAM AND BRINGING
NEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER
VOTED CONSERVATIVE.
I ALSO THINK WE CAN BRING
FORMER N.D.P. VOTERS BECAUSE
THEY DON'T STAND UP FOR HARD
WORKING FAMILIES ANYMORE.
THEIR SOCIAL JUSTICE
MOVEMENTS.
N.D.P. MOVEMENTS WERE
SUPPORTING THE ILLEGAL
BLOCKADES.
IF YOU WANT TO BUILD THIS
GREAT COUNTRY, YOU'RE
WELCOME IN OUR MOVEMENT
WHETHER YOU'VE NOT VOTED FOR
US BEFORE WHETHER YOU'RE A
FIRST TIME VOTER.
WE HAVE TO REACH OUT.
I'M VERY PROUD ALL THE M.P.s
UNDER 40 -- OR ALMOST ALL IN
OUR CAUCUS ARE SUPPORTING ME
AND THIS VISION TO BUILD AND
REACH OUT WITH THE PARTY.
I'LL TELL YOU, YOUNG PEOPLE
AND A LOT OF CANADIANS ARE
GETTING TIRED OF A PRIME
MINISTER WHO'S ALL ABOUT
SOCKS AND SELFIES.
THAT DOESN'T HELP A SMALL
BUSINESS OWNER IN BRAMPTON
OR SURREY WHO DIDN'T QUALIFY
FOR SOME OF THE COVID PLANS
THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT WAS
LATE WITH AND ARE NOW
STRUGGLING ON THE EDGE OF
BANKRUPTCY.
THAT DOESN'T HELP JUSTIN
TRUDEAU'S VANITY PROJECTS.
A STUDENT WITH INCREASING
DEBT AND NOW WITH HIGH
UNEMPLOYMENT RATES AS A
RESULT OF COVID-19.
WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT A
CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, WITH
IDEAS FOR THE FUTURE AND
MAKING SURE PEOPLE SEE
THEMSELVES REFLECTED IN OUR
COMMITMENT TO LIBERTY,
EQUALITY, FAMILY, A STRONG
CANADA AT HOME AND AROUND
THE WORLD, I WILL MAKE SURE
WE GROW OUR MOVEMENT TO WIN.
THAT IS WHAT IS KEY.
AND PART OF IT IS HAVING A
PLATFORM THAT TAKES THE
ENVIRONMENT SERIOUSLY, THAT
SHOWS WE CAN BALANCE
BUILDING PIPELINES WHILE
RESPECTING PROGRAMS OUR
PROVINCIAL PARTNERS ARE
DOING ON THE ENVIRONMENT,
RESPECT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, A
STRONG CANADA AT HOME AND
AROUND THE WORLD.
MY OUR COUNTRY PLAN HAS IT
ALL.
GO TO MY WEBSITE TO SEE IT
ALL.
>> THANK YOU, MR. O'TOOLE.
MR. MACKAY, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
TWO MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE
QUESTION.
AND IT REALLY IS A COME ONE
COME ALL.
I DON'T THINK IT'S TARGETING
GROUPS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S TARGETING
OTHER PARTIES.
I THINK IT'S DEMONSTRATING
THAT WE ARE A PARTY OPEN TO
NEW IDEAS.
WE ARE A PARTY OF SOLUTIONS,
A PARTY WITH GREAT HISTORY
AND ATTACHMENT FOR HAVING
BUILT THIS COUNTRY BUT A
PARTY THAT HAS ALWAYS,
ALWAYS HAD A AN OPEN DOR.
THE BIG BLUE TENT IS THE
PERFECT ANALOGY.
BUT WE NEED TO PUSH THOSE
TENT PEGS OUT A LITTLE
FURTHER SO THAT CANADIANS
FEEL WELCOME INSIDE, SO THAT
THEY SENSE THAT WE DO IN
FACT HAVE REAL SUBSTANTIVE
PLANS TO PROTECT THE
ENVIRONMENT, AS WE DID
PREVIOUSLY WITH AN ACID RAIN
TREATY, AS WE DID IN
PROTECTING INTERNAL WATERS,
AS WE $5 PARTY WHEN WE WERE
LAST IN GOVERNMENT.
IN PROTECTING THE ARCTIC.
IN PROTECTING OUR BORDERS
AND OUR APPROACHES.
IN BUILDING THIS COUNTRY IN
MEANINGFUL WAYS AND I HAVE A
PLAN THAT DOES JUST THAT AN
EIGHT-POINT PLAN THAT GOES
SPECIFIC TO THE CHALLENGES
THAT WILL BE THERE POST
COVID-19 IN IMPROVING OUR
ECONOMY.
AND THAT IS WHERE
CONSERVATIVES DO CALL US.
WE COME TOGETHER AROUND THE
IDEAS OF OPPORTUNITY, OF
INCLUSION, OF HAVING THE
REALLY DIFFICULT DISCUSSIONS
AS WE'VE HAD TONIGHT, AS WE
HAVE AT OUR POLICY
CONVENTIONS WHEN WE COME
TOGETHER AND WE MAKE
DECISIONS AND WE HASH IT OUT
AROUND THE KITCHEN TABLE THE
WAY WE DID IN THE COUNTRY
AND THE WAY WE DO IN THE
CITY.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO
DEMONSTRATE, IN MEANINGFUL
WAYS, THAT EVERYONE HAS A
PLACE IN THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY JUST AS OF ONE HAS A
PLACE IN CANADA.
OUR YOUNG PARTICIPANT HERE
TONIGHT THAT ASKED US ABOUT
WHY WE WANTED TO BE PRIME
MINISTER.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BE -- I
KNOW IT'S MAX.
THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO
BUILD THIS COUNTRY FOR HIM,
FOR MY CHILDREN, FOR
EVERYONE, EVERYONE ON THIS
STAGE IS A PARENT AND THAT
IS WHAT MOTIVATES US TO
LEAVE THE COUNTRY BETTER
THAN WE FOUND IT AS OUR
PARENTS DID.
AND SO TONIGHT THIS IS VERY
MUCH MY VISION, TO MAKE SURE
THAT OUR COUNTRY IS STRONG,
TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
ECONOMY IS FUNCTIONING, TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
REPUTABLE IN THE WORLD, THAT
WE STAND BEHIND WHAT WE SAY,
THAT WE GET RESULTS.
THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO
OPEN OUR PARTY UP TO FORMING
GOVERNMENT AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MACKAY.
MR. SLOAN.
>> WELL, THIS QUESTION IS
WHAT IS MOTIVATING ME IN
THIS LEADERSHIP RACE IS
SOMETHING I THOUGHT ABOUT
SIGNIFICANTLY THROUGHOUT THE
LAST ELECTION AND LEADING UP
UNTIL TODAY.
AND I BELIEVE IT COMES DOWN
TO SEVERAL THINGS.
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS
TON TO BE KNOWN TO BE THE
PARTY THAT HAS ANSWERS TO
EVERY QUESTION THAT'S FACING
CANADIANS.
WE CAN'T JUST FOCUS ON THE
ECONOMY AND LIBERAL
CORRUPTION.
WE NEED TO HAVE GOOD,
CONSERVATIVE ANSWERS TO
HOUSING, TO POVERTY, TO DRUG
ADDICTION.
YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE TO DO
THINGS.
THEY LIKE TO DO GOOD AND IF
WE CAN HAVE PLANS THAT
ADDRESS THESE THINGS IN A
CONSERVATIVE WAY -- WE DON'T
NEED TO BORROW FROM THE
LIBERALS.
WE CAN HAVE GOOD
CONSERVATIVE WAYS TO
ACTUALLY REACH OUT AND HELP
THE CRISES WE'RE SEEING IN
SOCIETY WHETHER IT'S THE
OPIOID ADDICTION, WHETHER
IT'S OUR HOUSING CRISIS.
WE CAN HAVE GOOD
CONSERVATIVE ANSWERS TO
THESE.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE
ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, WE
HAD A GREAT ENVIRONMENTAL
PLAN IN OUR LAST ELECTION.
YOU KNOW OUR MARKETING
STRATEGY WAS KIND OF, LIKE,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO
SAY MUCH ABOUT IT.
WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT WE
HAVE IT.
WE NEED TO DISTINGUISH OUR
PLAN FROM THE LIBERAL STYLE
OF PLAN CONSERVATIVES ARE
NOT CLIMATE ALARMISTS, OK?
WE ARE GOOD CONSERVATIONISTS
AND WE NEED TO SAY THIS IS A
GREAT CONSERVATIONIST PLAN.
IT WILL ACTUALLY HELP THE
ENVIRONMENT.
IT IS NOT GOING TO DEAL
WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME RANDOM
TAXATION SCHEME.
IT WILL ACTUALLY BE GOOD FOR
OUR ENVIRON THE AND THAT IS
HOW WE CAN SELL IT.
FREE SPEECH IS A BIG SELLER
FOR OUR YOUNGER GENERATION.
LOOK AT JORDAN PETERSON.
HIS OPPOSITION TO BILL C16,
WHICH I'M ALSO AGAINST,
RAISING TO THE STRATOSPHERE
IN TERMS OF POPULARITY WITH
PRIMARILY YOUNG PEOPLE.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE
SHOULD TAKE SERIOUSLY.
FREE SPEECH IN UNIVERSITIES.
I AM BEHIND A FREE SPEECH
PLAN IN UNIVERSITIES AND I
WOULD MAKE FUNDING
CONTINGENT ON RIGID
PROTECTION FOR FREE SPEECH
AND FREE INQUIRY AT OUR
UNIVERSITIES AND I MENTIONED
MY SOCIAL MEDIA PLAN.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM TO
TASK FOR BANNING PEOPLE WHO
MAY BE CONSERVATIVE OR HAVE
DIFFERENT IDEAS.
I WILL TAKE THEM TO TASK FOR
THAT.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SLOAN.
WE NOW HAVE THE FLOOR OPEN
FOR 7 MINUTES.
CANDIDATES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> I'M THE ONLY PERSON HERE
WITH A MASTERS OF
ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES AND I
BELIEVE THAT THE ENVIRONMENT
IS A VERY, VERY CRITICAL
PART OF OUR PLATFORM, OF OUR
ABILITY TO WIN THE NEXT
ELECTION.
AND THE EDUCATION IN
ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES.
I HAVE AN AUTHENTICITY THAT
I WILL OFFER THAT CANADIANS
CAN SEE BECAUSE I'VE TAKEN
THE TIME TO GET EDUCATED ON
THIS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT
ISSUE.
I ALSO HAVE PRIVATE-SECTOR
BUSINESS EXPERIENCE AND I
REALIZE THAT THE
ANTIBUSINESS POLICIES THAT
THIS GOVERNMENT HAS PUSHED
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT
IS TURNING OFF A LOT OF
BUSINESS OWNERS.
WE KNOW THAT SMALL AND
MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESSES
EMPLOY OVER 80% OF THE
CANADIAN POPULATION, AND SO
WE NEED STRONG BUSINESS
POLICIES THAT PROMOTE THE
BUSINESSES.
>> I AGREE WITH WHAT
MR. MACKAY SAID ABOUT WE'RE
ALL HERE AS PARENTS FOR OUR
CHILDREN AND THE ENVIRONMENT
IS CRITICAL FOR OUR CHILDREN
AND FOR VOTERS.
IF WE WANT TO WIN IN THE
SUBURBS OF CANADA NEXT TIME,
WE HAVE TO HAVE A REAL PLAN.
I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A
DETAILED REAL PLAN AND I
WILL WORK AND PARTNER WITH
THE PROVINCES, LIKE PREMIER
KENNEY, LIKE PREMIER FORD,
AND IT'S BEEN DISAPPOINTING
TO SEE MR. MACKAY ATTACK
THAT.
WE NEED TO COLLABORATE.
THE PROVINCES ARE CLOSER TO
THEIR OWN ECONOMIES.
WE SAW HOW THE CARBON TAX
WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL
ACCORDING TO A COURT IN
ALBERTA.
I'VE BEEN AGAINST THE CARBON
TAX SINCE I WAS ELECTED.
I WORKED FOR A PRIVATE
SECTOR EMPLOYER THAT IS
LEAVING CANADA BEFORE I WAS
IN POLITICS BECAUSE OF THE
CARBON TAX.
THERE ARE NO CARBON PRICES
FOR STATES THAT WE COMPETE
AGAINST.
SO THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT
HAS MADE US LESS COMPETITIVE,
PARTICULARLY MANUFACTURING
HERE IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO.
SO I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THE
CARBON TAX, BUT I WILL
SUPPORT PROVINCES THAT HAVE
AN APPROACH TO GET EMISSIONS
DOWN BY WORKING WITH LARGE
EMITTERS.
MR. MACKAY HAS SUPPORTED A
LARGE EMITTER PROGRAM
BEFORE.
NOW HE DOESN'T.
IF WE'RE NOT CLEAR ON THE
ENVIRONMENT IN THE NEXT
ELECTION BEING A SERIOUS
ISSUE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE
ABLE TO GET THE PIPELINES
BUILT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
TO GET PROJECTS BUILT IN THE
NORTH OUR MINES.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
TO PARTNER WITH INDIGENOUS
AND INUIT COMMUNITIES TO
BRING CANADIAN RESOURCES TO
MARKET.
THE MOST ETHICAL HIGHEST
STANDARDS OF LEGAL
ENVIRONMENTAL INDIGENOUS
ENGAGEMENT IN THE WORLD,
CANADIAN RESOURCES SHOULD BE
THE STANDARD.
>> MR. O'TOOLE --
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. MACKAY IS GOING TO
RESPOND.
>> THANK YOU, LISA.
MY PLAN NOT ONLY INVOLVES
ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP
WHICH I THINK WE ALL AGREE
ON BUT ALSO A PLAN TO CREATE
JOBS.
IT SPEAKS OF REPLACING COAL
AS A SOURCE OF ENERGY.
WE HAVE PROVINCES INCLUDING
MY OWN IN NOVA SCOTIA THAT
STILL BURN COAL AND YET
WE'RE BRINGING ENERGY INTO
CANADA, WHICH IS COMPLETELY
COUNTERINTUITIVE.
WE NEED TO BE MAKING
INVESTMENTS IN CARBON
SEQUESTRATION.
WE NEED TO ACHIEVE FURTHER
ADVANCEMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY.
HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT?
BY THE EXPORT OF CLEAN
HIGHLY REGULATED
COMPETITIVELY PRICED OIL AND
GAS PRODUCTS THAT WE CAN
REFINE IN NEW BRUNSWICK AND
NOT HAVE TO BRING IT THROUGH
THE ENTIRE CONTINENT THROUGH
THE PANAMA CANAL.
WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE
ABLE TO TRANSPORT OUR ENERGY
INCLUDING HYDROELECTRICITY
OUT OF THE PROVINCE OF
QUEBEC.
TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE
MEANINGFUL CONSULTATION WITH
PROVINCES, WITH THE PRIVATE
SECTOR, WITH THE INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY AND
WE NEED TO GET IT DONE.
WE NEED TO REPLACE OUR
DEPENDENCE ON ANY TYPE OF
FOREIGN ENERGY AND USE THE
NATURAL RESOURCES THAT WE
HAVE AT OUR FINGERTIPS, AT
OUR AVAILABILITY.
THAT WILL CREATE JOBS, THAT
WILL DRIVE OUR ECONOMY
FORWARD THAT WILL GET PEOPLE
BACK TO WORK IN A POST
COVID-19 WORLD.
BUT LOOK, THERE'S ONLY ONE
PERSON ON THIS STAGE WHO'S
TALKING ABOUT, AND I QUOTE,
FORGING A NATIONAL
INDUSTRIAL REGULATORY AND
PRICING REGIME ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
THAT'S MR. O'TOOLE.
[ Talking simultaneously ]
TRIED TO NOW WITHDRAW.
HE'S ALSO TALKED ABOUT HOW
--
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> MR. MACKAY --
YOU RAISED THE ISSUE.
I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
THAT.
BECAUSE THE NATIONAL
REGULATORY PRICING SYSTEM,
IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT IS A
DOUBLE TASK.
AND IN PROVINCES LIKE
ALBERTA, THAT IS ALREADY
PAYING A TAX AT THE
PROVINCIAL LEVEL, THIS SEEMS
LIKE AN ADDITIONAL TAX.
>> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED
THAT --
>> PROBLEMS WITH YOUR POLICY,
BECAUSE YOU HAVE GIVEN A
100% CAPITAL COST ALLOWANCE
TO THE MANUFACTURING SECTOR.
WHAT ABOUT THE OIL AND GAS
SECTOR?
WHY HAVEN'T YOU GIVEN THAT
SAME CAPITAL COST ALLOWANCE
TO --
>> DR. LEWIS --
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> I'M GLAD YOU'VE ASKED
ABOUT THIS.
MY APPROACH WILL RESPECT
PROVINCIAL PLANS.
I FIND IT STUNNING THAT
MR. MACKAY WOULD SUGGEST HE
WOULD NOT SUPPORT A PLAN PUT
FORWARD BY PREMIER KENNEY
WITH RESPECT TO LARGE
EMITTERS OR PREMIER FORD.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE
SUGGESTING, MR. MACKAY.
[ Talking simultaneously ]
REFUSE TO COLLABORATE WITH
PROVINCES.
THEY KNOW THE ECONOMY BETTER
THAN SOME BUREAUCRAT IN
OTTAWA.
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> THEY HAVE NO FEDERAL
CARBON TAX --
>> MR. SLOAN.
BACK TO YOU.
>> BRIEFLY HERE.
WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE
MINUTES LEFT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE ALSO
HAVE TO ADDRESS CERTAIN
THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITHIN
THE PARTY AS WELL.
AND, YOU KNOW, I -- ONE
THING THAT I BELIEVE SEND
PEOPLE AWAY, ESPECIALLY
YOUNG PEOPLE, FROM THE PARTY
IS WHEN THEY FEEL THAT
SOMEHOW THE GAME IS FIXED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT OUR PARTY
IS MORE OPEN AND FAIR AND
FREE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER
PARTIES THAT EXIST RIGHT
NOW.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT
I AM 100% IN FAVOUR OF OPEN
AND FAIR NOMINATIONS.
I WON'T BE DISQUALIFYING
ANYBODY.
I WON'T BE PUTTING ANY OF MY
BEST BUDDIES OR MY CRONIES
IN POSITIONS.
IT'S UP TO THE LOCAL MEMBERS
TO DECIDE WHEN IT COMES TO
LEADERSHIP RACES.
WE'VE SEEN CERTAIN
CANDIDATES GET KICKED OUT.
RICHARD DECKRY, JUNE
KARAHALIOS.
I'M AGAINST THAT.
I BELIEVE IT'S UP TO THE
MEMBERS TO DECIDE.
ALL OF US HERE SHOULD BE IN
FAVOUR OF THAT.
AND I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT
LEADERS ABOUT DIFFERENT
PEOPLE AND I DON'T KNOW
MR. MACKAY, COULD YOU ANSWER
ME ON THIS?
WILL YOU ALLOW FOR OPEN AND
FREE NOMINATIONS IN THE
NOMINATION PROCESS?
>> OUR PARTY HAS A LONG
TRADITION OF RESPECTING THE
DEMOCRATIC WILL OF THE
MEMBERSHIP.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE
CONVENTIONS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE
LEADERSHIP DEBATES.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE THE PARTY
THAT PEOPLE TURN TO IN TIMES
OF CRISIS AND YES, WE WANT
TO HAVE OPEN NOMINATIONS.
YES, AS A LEADER I WOULD
GIVE THE MONEY BACK TO OUR
RIDING ASSOCIATION SO THEY
CAN BE MORE COMPETITIVE.
WE CAN WIN MORE SEATS IN
THIS COUNTRY.
WE CAN TURN TO THE
GRASSROOTS OF THIS PARTY AND
EMPOWER THEM.
THAT HAS SOMEHOW SLIPPED
AWAY IN RECENT YEARS.
WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO
EMPOWERING MEMBERSHIP TO
MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO SELECT
GOOD STRONG LOCAL CANDIDATES,
THAT'S WHEN WE WIN THOSE
SEATS.
THAT'S WHAT WILL ALLOW US TO
FORM THE GOVERNMENT, TO
REPLACE JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND I
THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING
WE ALL AGREE ON IN THIS
STAGE.
WE NEED TO BE A PARTY THAT
ABSOLUTELY EMBRACES
DEMOCRACY AND DOESN'T --
[ Talking simultaneously ]
OF CHINA.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
CANDIDATES.
THAT CONCLUDE QUESTION TEN.
SO THE BONUS QUESTION THAT
I'VE MENTIONED EARLIER IS
THIS.
ON JULY 1st, THE CANADA U.S.
MEXICO FREE TRADE AGREEMENT
COMES INTO FORCE.
THERE'S $2 BILLION A DAY
THAT CROSSES OUR BORDER, AND
THAT MAKES THE UNITED STATES
CANADA'S MOST IMPORTANT
TRADE PARTNER.
HOW WOULD YOU WORK WITH THIS
U.S. ADMINISTRATION AND THE
NEXT U.S. ADMINISTRATION?
AND WE ARE STARTING WITH
MR. O'TOOLE.
TWO MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AN IMPORTANT QUESTION
BECAUSE THE TRUDEAU
GOVERNMENT GOT THE NEW NAFTA
NEGOTIATIONS WRONG.
WE ALL REMEMBER WHEN THE
TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT SUGGESTED
THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO
REOPENING NAFTA WHEN THE NEW
U.S. ADMINISTRATION WAS
REALLY LOOKING AT CONCERNS
WITH MEXICO.
THEY THEN PUT FORWARD THE
SO-CALLED PROGRESSIVE AGENDA
WHERE MR. TRUDEAU PUT HIS
ELECTION PLATFORM, THINGS
LIKE THE CLIMATE CHANGE,
RECONCILIATION INTO TRADE
NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE U.S.,
EVEN THOUGH THOSE TOPICS
WOULD NEVER FORM PART OF A
NEGOTIATION.
MEXICO TOOK THE NEGOTIATIONS
SERIOUSLY AND GOT BETTER
RESULTS.
HERE'S WHY.
THIS NEW DEAL HURTS THE
KITIMAT REFINING ALUMINUM IN
B.C. AND IN THE SAGUENAY.
BECAUSE IT'S ALLOWING MEXICO
TO BRING IN TRANS-SHIPPED
ALUMINUM AND WITH MORE AUTO
PARTS BEING BUILT WITH
ALUMINUM, THIS IS GOING TO
HELP MEXICO AND HURT CANADA
BOTH FROM A STEEL ALUMINUM
STANDPOINT AND AN AUTO PARTS
JOBS IN ONTARIO.
THIS WAS A HUGE FAILURE OF
THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT AND
IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I'VE RAISED SOME OF IT IN
THE HOUSE BEFORE.
WHEN I WENT DOWN TO
WASHINGTON AND HELPED GET
THE TARIFFS REMOVED, THE
STEEL AND ALUMINUM, I MET
WITH A U.S. CONGRESSMAN, DAN
CRENSHAW, NAVY SEAL WHO HAD
LOST HIS EYE SERVING
OVERSEAS.
WE MADE A CONNECTION BECAUSE
WE HAD BOTH SERVED WITH OUR
RESPECTIVE COUNTRY'S
MILITARY.
THAT'S HOW I STARTED FORGING
RELATIONS ON CAPITOL HILL,
BASED ON OUR SHARED SECURITY,
OUR SHARED INTEREST, OUR
SHARED HISTORY.
THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED THAT
WE GET INTO THE BALLISTIC
MISSILE PROGRAM AND MAKE
SURE THAT NORAD, OUR
NATIONAL SECURITY ALLIANCE
WITH THE U.S., MEANS THAT WE
TAKE SECURITY, TRADE AND
FOREIGN RELATIONS IN STEPS
SO THAT WE CAN REFORM WORLD
TRADE ORGANIZATION MEASURES,
REFORM INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE
BEING GAMED AGAINST US.
SO THE NEW NAFTA, WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO FIX A LOT
OF THE HUGE MISTAKES OF THE
TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT,
PARTICULARLY FOR WORKING
FAMILIES IN STEEL, AUTO AND
ALUMINUM.
>> THANK YOU, MR. O'TOOLE.
MR. MACKAY, 90 SECOND --
SORRY, TWO MINUTES.
>> WE SAVED, WE SURVIVED THE
NAFTA NEGOTIATIONS.
THE NEW USMCA HAS ACTUALLY
LEFT CANADA POORER THAN IT
WAS BEFORE.
WE HAVE MADE CONCESSIONS
WHEN IT CAME TO SUPPLY
MANAGEMENT.
WE HAVE MADE CONCESSIONS
WITH RESPECT TO ALUMINUM AS
WAS MENTIONED, INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY.
WE HAVE OPENED OURSELF UP TO
VULNERABILITY.
IN FACT EVEN FOREGONE SOME
OF OUR SOVEREIGNTY BY
SUGGESTING THAT IF CANADA IS
TO PURSUE A NEW FREE TRADE
AGREEMENT WITH GREAT BRITAIN,
FOR EXAMPLE, WE WILL HAVE TO
GET AGREEMENT WITH UNITED
STATES OR PAY A POTENTIAL
PRICE.
WHEN CHRYSTIA FREELAND AND
THE PRIME MINISTER SAID IT
WAS GOING TO BE A WIN/WIN
WIN, IT WAS, FOR UNITED
STATES.
YES PERHAPS OPPORTUNITY TO
FIX SOME OF THOSE MISGIVINGS
IN THE FUTURE.
IT DOES REQUIRE THE ABILITY
TO WORK WITH OUR MOST
TRUSTED TRADING PARTNER.
HAVING ABILITY TO GO TO
UNITED STATES AS VI ON
NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, TO MEET
WITH COUNTERPARTS WHEN I
SERVED IN THE GOVERNMENT OF
STEPHEN HARPER.
TO GET THINGS DONE YOU HAVE
TO TAKE AN APPROACH THAT
ISN'T INSULTING, THAT ISN'T
CONFRONTATIONAL THAT ISN'T
SEEN AS SPEAKING BEHIND
SOMEBODY'S BACK ON THE WORLD
STAGE AS WE SAW MR. TRUDEAU
DO.
THOSE TYPE OF BEHAVIOURS
DON'T ADVANCE CANADA'S
INTERESTS.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
MATTERS TO THE AMERICANS.
YES, IT'S NORTH AMERICAN
SECURITY.
WE SHOULD TALK TO THEM ABOUT
A NORTH AMERICAN APPROACH TO
PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT
AND LOWERING GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS.
WE NEED TO TAKE THAT
CONSTRUCTIVE CONSERVATIVE
APPROACH TO GET THINGS DONE.
BEING CONSTRUCTIVE MEANS
WORKING WITH EVERYONE,
REACHING OUT ACROSS THE
AISLE.
I WAS HAPPY TO HELP
MR. O'TOOLE GET THOSE
MEETING BECAUSE I BELIEVED
IN WHAT HE WAS DOING.
WE HAVE TO BELIEVE IN ONE
ANOTHER AS A PARTY AND AS A
GOVERNMENT TO GET THE BEST
RESULTS FOR CANADIANS.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO
DO WHEN WE WERE LAST IN
GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S WHAT
WE'LL DO AGAIN TO FORGE A
BETTER, SAFER, MORE
PRODUCTIVE AND MORE
PROSPEROUS COUNTRY FOR ALL
CANADIANS.
IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT
WITH OUR CLOSEST PARTNERS,
IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT WITH
COUNTRIES WHOSE VALUES WE
SHARE, WE ALL BENEFIT.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MACKAY.
MR. SLOAN.
>> WHAT A GREAT QUESTION.
I THINK THE FIRST STEP AS
WAS SAID BY PETER MACKAY
HERE, WE SHOULDN'T INSULT
THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED
STATES OR PRIME MINISTER OF
CANADA.
WE SAW JUSTIN TRUDEAU ACT
LIKE AN ABSOLUTE CHILD WHEN
DEALING WITH A VERY SHREWD
AND CAPABLE NEGOTIATE TORP.
AND NOW -- I MEAN, WITH
UNITED STATES ON OUR SIDE,
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN'T
ACCOMPLISH.
DO YOU THINK IF THE UNITED
STATES REALLY WANTED TO HELP
US OUT WITH GETTING THE TWO
MICHAELS HOME THEY COULDN'T
MAKE IT HAPPEN?
DONALD TRUMP WILL NOT LIFT A
FINGER TO HELP JUSTIN
TRUDEAU BECAUSE OF WHAT HE'S
DONE.
WE NEED TO TAKE OUR CLOSEST
ALLY SERIOUSLY.
WE NEED TO FORGE AN
EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH
THEM.
WE NEED TO WORK WITH THEM TO
CONSTRAIN CHINA.
ERIN O'TOOLE'S SPOKEN ABOUT
FREE AND FAIR TRADE WITH
LIKE-MINDED COUNTRIES.
WHAT A GREAT EXAMPLE!
THEY'RE RIGHT THERE WAITING
FOR US.
WE CAN DEAL WITH THEM TO
MAKE MANY THINGS HAPPEN.
AND ANOTHER THING WE NEED TO
DO IS WE NEED TO START
PULLING OUR WEIGHT WHEN IT
COMES TO NATO.
WE NEED TO UP OUR MILITARY
SPENDING TO OUR NATO
COMMITMENTS AND I WILL DO
THAT.
I'LL DO IT WITHIN FIVE YEARS
IF WE ARE PULLING OUR WEIGHT
AND NOT SEEN AS JUST, YOU
KNOW, DRAGGING ON THEIR
SUPPORT BECAUSE WE HAPPEN TO
LIVE BESIDE THEM, MAYBE
THEY'LL BE WILLING TO WORK
TOGETHER WITH US.
MAYBE THEY'LL BE WILLING TO
HELP US WHEN IT COMES TO
EXERTING PRESSURE ON OTHER
COUNTRIES.
THEY'RE OUR GREATEST ALLY,
AND WE -- UNDER THIS NEXT
GOVERNMENT, WHICH WILL BE A
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT, I
KNOW OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
UNITED STATES WILL BE
RESTORED AND I WILL GO SO
FAR AS TO SAY I AM CONFIDENT
THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL DEFY
THE ODDS AGAIN AND BE THE
NEXT ADMINISTRATION AND WHEN
I AM LEADER THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY, I WILL GIVE HIM A
CALL AND CONGRATULATE HIM.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SLOAN.
DR. LEWIS.
>> THANK YOU.
SO I FEEL THAT GOOD FOREIGN
POLICY BEGINS AT HOME.
WE NEED GOOD STRONG DOMESTIC
POLICY.
AND SO WE NEED A GOOD STRONG
NATIONAL PURPOSE IN VALUES.
AND THAT MEANS WE NEED TO
GET OUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER
FIRST.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TOP
THREATS TO OUR NATIONAL
SECURITY, AND THAT IS WE
HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR CANADIAN
IDENTITY, OUR SOVEREIGNTY,
OUR ECONOMY, OUR FUNDAMENTAL
DEMOCRATIC VALUES AND OUR
RESPECT IN THE INTERNATIONAL
ARENA WILL IMPROVE.
I ALSO FEEL THAT WE HAVE TO
LOOK AT THE UNFAIR TRADE
PRACTICES THAT WE'VE SEEN
AND THE -- AND WE HAVE
TRANSITIONED FROM AN
AMICABLE TRADE PARTNER TO AN
ADVERSARIAL TRADE PARTNER
WITH MANY COUNTRIES AND
COVID HAS BROUGHT HOME THAT
REALITY.
ANOTHER REALITY THAT COVID
HAS BROUGHT HOME IS JUST
THAT WE CANNOT RELY ON ANY
COUNTRY, EVEN OUR ALLIES.
BECAUSE WHEN IT CAME TO
THINGS SUCH AS RESPIRATORS,
WHICH WERE ESSENTIAL,
MR. TRUMP DECIDED THAT HE
WAS GOI TO KEEP IT FOR HIS
OWN PEOPLE, AND THAT'S A
DECISION THAT HE COULD MAKE.
BUT I NEVER WANT TO BE
PLACED IN THAT DECISION
AGAIN, WHERE WE ARE RELYING
ON OUR ALLY.
WE THINK THAT THEY WILL BE
THERE FOR US AND THEY FAIL
US.
AND SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS
WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF
THE U.S. PROTECTIONISM
MECHANISMS THAT THEY HAVE IN
PLACE AND WE NEED TO
RENEGOTIATE OUR AGREEMENTS
ON CERTAIN ISSUES.
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO
THE PRESIDENT IS, WHETHER
IT'S DONALD TRUMP OR SOMEONE
ELSE.
WE NEED TO APPROACH THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES WITH RESPECT, AND WE
CAN BUILD AMICABLE TRADE
RELATIONS AND BUILD BRIDGES
AND RESTORE THE RELATIONSHIP
WITH OUR BEST AND STRONGEST
ALLY.
>> THANK YOU, DR. LEWIS.
SEVEN MINUTES NOW FOR OPEN
DEBATE ON CANADA/U.S.
RELATIONS.
>> THE TRUDEAU LIBERALS
MISSED THE BOAT ON NAFTA AND
WE KNOW THAT THE MEXICO GOT
A BETTER DEAL.
SO MY NEW GOVERNMENT, WE
WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE
SHORTCOMINGS IN THE NAFTA
AGREEMENT.
I WORKED ON TRADE IN THE
PRIVATE SECTOR AND IN
GOVERNMENT.
WE'RE ALSO AWOL RIGHT NOW.
THE U.K., AUSTRALIA AND NEW
ZEALAND, THREE OF OUR
CLOSEST ALLIES, ARE TALKING
ABOUT FREE TRADE AGREEMENT.
I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A
CAMSA PROPOSAL WITH THOSE
COUNTRIES TO DO MORE
SECURITY PARTNERSHIP.
EXCHANGES WITH OUR MILITARY.
I SERVED ALONGSIDE KIWIS,
AUSTRALIANS, BRITS.
WE NEED TO DO MORE WITH OUR
CLOSEST ALLIES.
THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW
AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS
A.W.O.L. JUST COMING OFF HIS
FAILED U.N. BID.
AND THIS NEW NAFTA,
MR. MACKAY TDOESN'T RESTRICT
A TRADE AGREEMENT WITH A
COUNTRY LIKE GREAT BRITAIN
OR U.K.
IT'S NONMARKET ECONOMIES.
WHY THEY ADDED THAT TO THE
DEAL, BECAUSE THE TRUDEAU
GOVERNMENT WAS TOO CLOSE TO
THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF
CHINA.
THEY APPROVED THE ONET
TRANSACTION.
THEY APPROVED THE HIGH TERRA
TRANSACTION WHICH WAS
PUTTING SECURITY OF OUR FIVE
Is AT RISK.
THAT'S WHY THE U.S. WERE SO
WORRIED ABOUT THE TRUDEAU
PIVOT TO CHINA THAT THEY
INSERTED THAT IN THERE.
IT WAS A DEVIATION OF OUR
SOVEREIGNTY THAT I DON'T
AGREE WITH BUT IT SHOWS THAT
OUR ALLIES DON'T TRUST THE
JUDGMENT OF THE TRUDEAU
GOVERNMENT.
HAVING SERVED ALONGSIDE OUR
ALLIES, THEY WILL TRUST AN
O'TOOLE GOVERNMENT TO GET
OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS BACK
ON TRACK BOTH FROM TRADE,
COMMERCE AND OUR ROLE IN THE
WORLD.
WE NEED TO RESTORE OUR
REPUTATION.
>> WE NEED TO ABSOLUTELY
LOOK FOR NEW TRADE
AGREEMENTS AND NEW
OPPORTUNITIES FOR CANADIAN
PRODUCTS TO BE SENT ABROAD,
TO BRING THAT RETURN ON
INVESTMENT BAGCH BACK TO
CANADA, TO CREATE JOBS HERE,
TO CREATE WEALTH AND
PROSPERITY AND WE'LL NEED TO
DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE A
COUNTRY THAT'S SERIOUS.
WE ARE A COUNTRY THAT CARES
ABOUT GLOBAL SECURITY.
WE'RE A COUNTRY THAT
CONTRIBUTES TO IT.
WE ARE NUMBER 20 OUT OF 28
COUNTRIES IN NATO.
WE HAVE SEEN OUR COMMITMENTS
DECLINE WHEN IT COMES TO OUR
MILITARY.
WE ARE AT OUR LOWEST NUMBER
OF DEPLOYED CANADIANS IN
DECADES.
AND WE'RE HARKENING BACK TO
AN ERA THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE
DECADE OF DARKNESS BY
SERVING PERSONNEL.
AND YES, I CONGRATULATE
MR. O'TOOLE ON HIS SERVICE.
I SERVED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
I SERVED OUR MEN AND WOMEN
IN UNIFORM AS THEIR DEFENCE
MINISTER FOR SIX YEARS.
I WAS PROUD TO SIT AT NATO
TABLES AND TO TALK ABOUT HOW
WE WERE GOING TO MAKE
CONTRIBUTIONS TO SEE OUR MEN
AND WOMEN DO MAGNIFICENT
WORK AS THEY DID GOING TO
HAITI AND RESPONDING TO THE
EMERGENCY THERE, AS THEY DID
IN A VERY DIFFICULT MISSION
IN AFGHANISTAN.
AND OF COURSE WE NEED TO
WORK WITH COUNTRIES LIKE THE
UNITED STATES BUT OTHERS AS
WELL, OTHERS WHO BELIEVE IN
OUR COUNTRY.
WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR
ARCTIC SOVEREIGNTY AND WE
NEED TO DO THAT IN
NEGOTIATION WITH UNITED
STATES.
HAVING A MILITARY THAT'S
READY TO NOT ONLY PROTECT
OUR BORDERS BUT ALSO THE
AWAY GAME AND CONTRIBUTE TO
INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND
ORDER AND A RESTORATION OF
GLOBAL SECURITY, THAT'S THE
COUNTRY.
THAT'S THE CANADA.
THAT'S THE MILITARY THAT WE
NEED AND AMERICA RESPECTS
THAT AS DO OUR CLOSEST
ALLIES, INCLUDING THE U.K.,
AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND.
HAVING SAT AT THOSE NATO
TABLES AS MINISTER AND
HAVING TRAVELLED AS FOREIGN
MINISTER, SEEING HOW OTHER
COUNTRIES RESPECT CANADA AND
TURN TO CANADA AND LOOK TO
US AND HAVING THAT
DIMINISHED UNDER JUSTIN
TRUDEAU IS ONE OF THE
SADDEST THINGS THAT WE HAVE
EXPERIENCED IN THE LAST FIVE
YEARS.
WE'RE NO LONGER SEEN AS THE
TRUSTED, RELIABLE ALLY AND
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO GET
BACK TO BUILDING OUR
MILITARY CAPABLE AND
PROTECTING OUR OWN
SOVEREIGNTY FIRST.
>> MR. SLOAN.
MR. SLOAN.
>> THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH WHAT
YOU ARE SAYING, PETER AND I
LIKE THE CANSA PROPOSAL.
I THINK IT'S GOOD BUT I
THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER
OUR PRIMARY ALLY, OUR
CLOSE -- CLOSEST ALLY SHOULD
BE THE UNITED STATES.
THE OTHER COUNTRIES THAT YOU
MENTIONED ARE GREAT BUT THE
CLOSENESS, THE HISTORICAL
TIES THAT WE SHARE HAVE TO
BE PRIORITIZED FOR US.
WITH UNITED STATES AS OUR
GOOD FRIEND, AS THEY HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN, THERE'S NOTHING
THAT WE CANNOT ACCOMPLISH.
I AGREE WITH EXPANDING OUR
TRADE TO THESE OTHER
COUNTRIES BUT IT CANNOT BE
AT THE EXPENSE OF HAVING THE
BEST RELATIONSHIP WITH
UNITED STATES THAT WE HAVE
HAD IN --
>> I AGREE.
>> DR. LEWIS IS NEXT.
>> I'M VERY CONCERNED,
BECAUSE I HEAR THAT
MR. MACKAY AND MR. O'TOOLE,
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NATO
AND THEY'VE COMMITTED TO 2%
SPENDING AND MAKING SURE
THAT THEY MEET THAT
COMMITMENT.
BUT WHY THEY WERE BOTH IN
THE DEFENCE POSITIONS FOR
OUR GOVERNMENT THAT THEY
NEVER REACHED THAT SPENDING
LEVEL, AND I'M CURIOUS AS TO
WHY.
>> '08-09 RECESSION.
>> WE HAVE COVID NOW.
WE HAVE MUCH GREATER
PROBLEMS THAN THE RECESSION
OF 2009.
SO WHY SHOULD CANADIANS
BELIEVE THAT PROMISE?
>> IN THAT DIRECTION, AS OUR
ECONOMY GROWS.
AS WE'RE ABLE TO ENABLE THE
INVESTMENTS THAT ARE
REQUIRED.
WE'VE MADE GREAT STEPS,
DR. LEWIS, WITH GREAT
RESPECT, TO REACH THAT
POTENTIAL.
AND IN FACT WE HAD MADE THAT
COMMITMENT AS A GOVERNMENT
FULLY, AT THE MEETINGS IN
NATO IN THE U.K.
WE WERE ABLE TO DO SO
BECAUSE COUNTRIES BELIEVED
IN US BUT YES, THE UNITED
STATES IS ASKING US TO DO SO
AND WE NEED TO SEE THAT MORE
COLLABORATIVE APPROACH AND
WORKING WITH OUR NATO ALLIES
TO GET THERE AND ENCOURAGING
OTHERS TO DO THE SAME BUT
WE'RE GOING IN THE EXACT
OPPOSITE DIRECTION RIGHT NOW
UNDER JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
>> I OFTEN SAY THAT SOMEONE
SHOULD TELL JUSTIN TRUDEAU
THAT VIMY RIDGE WAS NOT A
PEACEKEEPING OPERATION FOR
THE UNITED NATIONS.
WE'VE ALWAYS STOOD UP FOR
VALUES AND OUR ALIZES FROM
OUR EARLIEST DAYS AS A
COUNTRY.
THAT'S WHY WHEN I WAS IN
WASHINGTON LAYING A WREATH
AT THE TOMB OF THE UNKNOWN
SOLDIER, THEY WERE
EXPRESSING THEIR CONDOLENCES
FOR THE RECENT KILLING AT
THAT TIME OF NATHAN CIRILLO.
THOSE BONDS BETWEEN OUR
COUNTRIES ARE IMPORTANT, AND
THEY ARE A WAY TO REPAIR THE
RELATIONSHIP DAMAGED BY
JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
IN ARLINGTON, THERE WAS A
CROSS ERECTED FOR AMERICANS
THAT DIED SERVING WITH
CANADIAN UNITS IN WORLD WAR
I.
THOSE BONDS ARE VERY
IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO USE
OUR DEEP PERSONAL, HISTORIC
TRADE AND SECURITY RELATIONS
TO NOT ONLY IMPROVE
RELATIONS TRADE AND
RELATIONS IN NORTH AMERICA.
WE NEED TO DO THIS AROUND
THE WORLD TO REALIGN TRADE
AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT
HAVE BEEN GAMED BY BAD
ACTORS AS I SAID, AND MAKE
SURE THAT THE FREE COUNTRIES
OF THE WORLD SET THE RULES
OF THE GAME --
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> CONCERNED ABOUT YOU
OPENING UP THE P.P.P. TO
HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH
AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ON
OUR SUPPLY MANAGEMENT CHAIN.
>> THE P.P.P. IS ALREADY
FINISHED SO THOSE ELEMENTS
WOULD NOT BE LOOKED AT IN
CAMSA.
>> WE HAD NOT DEALT WITH --
[ Talking simultaneously ]
SUPPLY MANAGEMENT.
>> IT'S ABOUT ALLOWING
STUDENTS TO STUDY THERE AND
THEN WORK THERE FOR A NUMBER
OF YEARS AND VICE VERSA.
WE SHOULD SHOW THAT CLOSE
ALLIES, DEMOCRACIES, FREE
COUNTRIES DO MORE TOGETHER
--
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> U.N. --
>> MAKE --
>> WE NEED THE CLOSEST
ALLY --
 --
[ Talking simultaneously ]
>> IF THEY DO OCCUR.
IF THERE IS NEW FREE TRADE
AGREEMENTS, WE NEED TO MAKE
THOSE TYPE OF PRIORITIES AND
COMMITMENTS TO OUR SUPPLY
MANAGED SYSTEM.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
CANDIDATES.
THAT CONCLUDES THE DEBATE
PORTION OF TONIGHT'S EVENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT WAS VERY SPIRITED AND
VERY WELL MANAGED AS WELL.
BEFORE I ASK THE CANDIDATES
TO PROVIDE THEIR CLOSING
REMARKS, I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EARLIER
THIS EVENING I MADE A
FLIPPANT REMARK IN RESPONSE
TO A CANDIDATE WHICH SINGLED
OUT A SPECIFIC CANDIDATE AND
I WANTED TO APOLOGIZE TO THE
CANDIDATE FOR DOING SO.
WITH THAT MR. O'TOOLE, YOU
HAVE 90 SECOND FOR YOUR
CLOSING REMARKS.
>> FRIENDS, IM'D RUNNING
BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THIS
PARTY.
I'M RUNNING BECAUSE I
BELIEVE THAT WHETHER YOU'RE
A FISCAL OR A SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVE ALIBERTARIAN OR
DEFENCE HAWK, WHETHER YOU'VE
BEEN IN CANADA FIVE MINUTES
OR 50 YEARS, WHETHER YOU'RE
LGBTQ, STRAIGHT, YOUNG OR
OLD, WHETHER YOU WORSHIP ON
SATURDAYS, SUNDAYS, EVERY
DAY OR NOT AT ALL, YOU ARE
AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS
COUNTRY AND THERE'S A PLACE
FOR YOU IN THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY OF CANADA.
I WILL BE -- I WILL BE A
CHAMPION FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND FIGHT
BACK AGAINST THOSE WHO TRY
TO DEFINE US.
AS FOR THE ATTACKS ON ME,
THE LIBERALS WILL BE EVEN
TOUGHER ON US BUT I CAN TAKE
IT.
YOU CAN'T SCARE ME.
I USED TO FLY ON SEA KING
HELICOPTERS.
CONSERVATIVES HAVE A CHOICE
TO MAKE.
EITHER YOU BELIEVE THAT WE
CAN SCORE ON AN EMPTY NET BY
ACTING MORE LIKE LIBERALS OR
YOU BELIEVE, LIKE I DO, THAT
WE CAN WIN WHEN WE UNITE
EVERY KIND OF CONSERVATIVE.
WE WILL WIN WHEN WE BOLDLY
CONFRONT THE LIBERALS AND
OFFER A POSITIVE, PRINCIPLED
CONSERVATIVE ALL TEMP --
TEFRB TIFF FOR OUR
COUNTRY -- ALTERNATIVE.
I'M ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT
AND FOR YOUR HELP.
I NEED YOUR VOTE TO TAKE ON
AND BEAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
SO WE CAN GET OUR COUNTRY
BACK ON TRACK AND DELIVER A
CANADA BUILT ON LIBERTY,
RESPECT AND OPPORTUNITY.
I'M ERIN O'TOOLE AND I'M
RUNNING TO BE THE PRIME
MINISTER.
>> MR. MACKAY, 90 SECONDS
FOR YOUR CLOSE.
>> WE ARE A GREAT PARTY THAT
HAS DONE MUCH OF THE HEAVY
LIFTING OVER CANADA'S
HISTORY, AND TODAY THERE IS
MUCH TO DO TO OVERCOME
COVID-19.
WHEN I CO-FOUNDED THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA
WE HAD LOST THREE ELECTIONS.
WE NEEDED TO BE STRONG AND
UNITED TO WIN AND WE DID.
I WON SIX ELECTIONS AND
SERVED IN CABINET FOR ALMOST
TEN YEARS WHERE WE BUILT A
STRONGER, SAFER AND MORE
PROSPEROUS CANADA, WHERE THE
RULE OF LAW WAS PROTECTED, A
GOVERNMENT THAT RESPONDED TO
A GLOBAL RECESSION AND
RETURNED THE BOOKS TO
BALANCE.
WHETHER IT WAS REPRESENTING
CANADA ABROAD, SUPPORTING
THE TROOPS, I NEVER DRIFTED
FROM MY ROOTS.
THAT'S WHERE I LEARNED THE
VALUE OF BEING CAREFUL FOR
THE DOLLAR, STANDING UP FOR
WHAT'S JUST, RESPECTING
THOSE WHO KEEP OUR COUNTRY
SAFE AND FREE AND HELPING
THOSE WHO ARE LESS
FORTUNATE.
I HAVE CONTINUED TO SERVE
CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS
DURING MY TIME IN THE
PRIVATE SECTOR, BUT WE HAVE
SEEN A NATION FALL BEHIND
UNDER THE FAILED POLICIES OF
JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
I BELIEVE WE OWE IT TO OUR
CHILDREN AND TO OUR
GRANDCHILDREN TO LEAVE A
BETTER CANADA.
AND THIS HAPPENS WHEN
CONSERVATIVES UNITE AND
OFFER CANADIANS HOPE AND A
PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, AND WE
WIN TOGETHER.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT MY
WEBSITE PETERMACKAY.CA TO
READ MORE ABOUT MY VISION
INCLUDING THE EIGHT-POINT
JOBS PLAN FOR CANADA.
WE HAVE HEARD SOME GOOD
IDEAS TONIGHT FROM ALL OF
THE CANDIDATES AND WE HAVE A
LONG ROAD AHEAD OF US, BUT I
WILL BUILD A TEAM THAT IS
READY TO BEAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU
IN EVERY PART OF CANADA.
I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
PLEASE JOIN ME TO BUILD A
BETTER CANADA.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MACKAY.
MR. SLOAN, YOU HAVE 90
SECONDS.
>> IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE
HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING
THE GRASSROOTS OF THIS GREAT
MOVEMENT.
WE HAVE TWO CHOICES IN
FACING THE FUTURE OF OUR
PARTY.
THE FIRST IS TO WATER DOWN
OUR VALUES AND HOPE FOR
ELECTORAL SUCCESS.
THE SORRY TO STAND TRUE TO
PRINCIPLE.
THE OTHER CANDIDATES MIGHT
AGREE WITH ME SO FAR BUT
THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE.
I AM THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO
WILL PULL US OUT OF THE
PARIS AGREEMENT.
I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO
WILL DEFUND THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION.
I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE
ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING FOR
FREE SPEECH AND PARENTAL
SOVEREIGNTY AGAINST THE
DRACONIAN BILLS C16 AND BILL
C-8.
I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO
WOULD DECLARE ANTIFA A
TERRORIST GROUP.
I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO
WILL STAND AGAINST CLIMATE
ALARMISM, STAND AGAIN --
AGAINST THE U.N. AND
SOVEREIGNTY DESTROYING WORLD
HEALTH ORGANIZATION AND TO
STAND STRONG AGAINST
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
OUR SUCCESS LIES IN A FIRM
COMMITMENT TO CONSERVATIVE
VALUES.
I WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES
TO UNITE OUR COUNTRY, TO
UNITE OUR MOVEMENT, TO
DEFEND OUR SOVEREIGNTY AND
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WEST
FEELS LIKE AN EQUAL PARTNER
IN CONFEDERATION.
I WILL NEVER COMPROMISE ON
PRINCIPLES.
I WILL NEVER RETREAT.
THIS IS MY PROMISE TO YOU
AND TO CANADA.
IF YOU DON'T WANT A LIBERAL
LITE PARTY, I AM YOUR
CANDIDATE.
IF YOU WANT A CONSERVATIVE
WITHOUT APOLOGY TO LEAD OUR
PARTY, I ASK TONIGHT FOR
YOUR VOTE.
GOD BLESS YOU AND GOD BLESS
CANADA.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SLOAN.
DR. LEWIS, 90 SECONDS.
>> MY PARENTS LEFT
EVERYTHING BEHIND TO COME TO
THIS GREAT COUNTRY BECAUSE
THEY BELIEVED THAT IT WAS
THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD TO RAISE THEIR
CHILDREN, AND I KNOW THAT
THEY WERE RIGHT.
I AM PROUD TO BE A CANADIAN.
CANADA HAS SHAPED ME AND
HAS -- HAS MADE ME
EVERYTHING THAT I AM TODAY,
AND IT'S GIVEN ME THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO STAND HERE
BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, TO SEEK
THE POSITION OF THE LEADER
OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF
CANADA AND POTENTIALLY YOUR
NEXT PRIME MINISTER.
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS,
I'VE WATCHED JUSTIN TRUDEAU
DESTROY THE CANADIAN DREAM.
THE FABRIC OF OUR NATION IS
BEING TORN APART.
PROVINCES ARE THREATENING TO
LEAVE OUR GREAT
CONFEDERATION.
DEBT IS PILING UP.
SOCIAL DIVISIONS ARE
WIDENING.
BUT THERE IS HOPE, HOPE THAT
CANADA CAN BE RESTORED AS A
BEACON OF HOPE AND
OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL AROUND
THE WORLD.
I BELIEVE THAT WHEN
CONSERVATIVES UNITE, SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES, PROGRESSIVE
CONSERVATIVES, LIBERTARIAN
AND FISCAL CONSERVATIVES, WE
CAN START THE WORK OF
HEALING THIS GREAT NATION.
COVID HAS PUSHED US TO A
TURNING POINT BUT IT IS NOT
THE END.
IT IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
THE BEGINNING OF A STRONGER,
MORE INDEPENDENT AND
SELF-SUFFICIENT NATION
RELYING ON OUR OWN
MANUFACTURING CAPACITY, OUR
OWN NATIONAL RESOURCES.
WE CAN UNITE WITH THE
PASSION AND THE LOVE AND THE
FREEDOM THAT KNOWS THAT,
WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER,
THERE'S NOTHING WE CANNOT
ACHIEVE.
OUR UNITY IS INDEED OUR
STRENGTH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
DR. LEWIS.
AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE
CANDIDATES AS THIS CONCLUDES
OUR EVENT.
AS A REMINDER TO THE MEDIA,
CANDIDATES WILL BE AVAILABLE
IN THE STUDIO STARTING IN
ABOUT 10 MINUTES FOR
QUESTIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK
EVERYBODY AT HOME WHO SPENT
THE TIME TO WATCH OUR
CANDIDATES DISCUSS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT ISSUES
TO THE CANADIAN PUBLIC.
I WANT TO WISH THE
CANDIDATES ALL THE BEST OF
LUCK AS THIS RACE CONTINUES
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR
COUNTRY.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
>> AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS
EVENING'S CONSERVATIVE PARTY
LEADERSHIP DEBATE THAT WAS
PUT ON BY THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY, MODERATED AS YOU CAN
SEE BY FORMER M.P. LISA
RAITT, ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE
LEADERSHIP SELECTION
COMMITTEE OR THE LEADERSHIP
COMMITTEE FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
THIS IS AN EXPANDED AND
EXTENDED EDITION OF "POWER &
POLITICS".
I'M VASSY KAPELOS.
THE FOUR CANDIDATES JUST
TOOK TO THE STAGE FOR THEIR
FIRST, LAST ONLY ENGLISH
DEBATE BEFORE THIS SUMMER'S
VOTE.
A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOPICS
COVERED.
THE ENVIRONMENT, THE
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED
STATES, QUITE A LENGTHY
DEBATE AT THE END OF THE
VERBAL DEBATE ON THAT
COVID-19 AND HOW EACH OF THE
CANDIDATES WOULD APPROACH
THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY COMING
OUT OF THIS PANDEMIC.
THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT
SYSTEMIC RACISM.
A BIT OF A CONTRAST THOUGH
FROM LAST NIGHT'S FRENCH
DEBATE, WHICH PARTICULARLY
SAUER RIN O'TOOLE AND PETER
MACKAY THOUGHT TO BE THE
RACE'S FRONT-RUNNERS REALLY
GO HEAD TO HEAD.
IT WAS A BIT MORE TIMID.
I WANT TO BRING IN HANNAH
THIBEDEAU BA BECAUSE SHE IS
IN TORONTO.
SHE WAS INSIDE THE DEBATE
ROOM WATCHING ALL OF THAT
TAKE PLACE AND I WANT TO GET
HER TAKE ON WHAT SHE SAW
TRANSPIRE.
HI, HANNAH.
>> HI.
I'M NOT PHYSICALLY INSIDE
THE DEBATE ROOM.
IT'S JUST BEHIND ME.
JUST SO BECAUSE THERE IS A
LIMIT OF TEN -- YEAH.
PANDEMIC VERSION.
AND VERY -- I'M VERY CLOSE
TO THEM THOUGH.
MY OVERALL IMPRESSION OF
THIS DEBATE, VASSY, IS THAT
LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, LAST
NIGHT WE SAW SOME REALLY
CHIPPY EXCHANGES BETWEEN THE
TWO FRONT-RUNNERS IN THIS
RACE, ERIN O'TOOLE AND PETER
MACKAY.
TONIGHT IT SEEMS LIKE ALL OF
THE CANDIDATES SORT OF WENT
BACK TO HOW CONSERVATIVE
LEADERSHIP DEBATES TYPICALLY
HAPPEN WHERE THEY ALL STAND
ON A STAGE AND SOMEWHAT
AGREE WITH EACH OTHER AND
THEN GO BACK TO ATTACKING
JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU
BEHIND US WE HAVE -- OH,
PETER MACKAY, YOU WANT TO
TALK TO US ABOUT HOW THE
DEBATE WENT?
HE'LL COME BACK.
OK.
I HAD TO TRY THAT.
GET HIM FIRST.
BUT THERE WILL BE SCRUMS
AFTER THIS.
WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO CHAT WITH EACH OF THE
CANDIDATES, THE FOUR
CANDIDATES AND SEE HOW THEY
FEEL THEY MADE OUT IN THIS
DEBATE.
BUT LIKE I WAS SAYING IT
KIND OF WENT BACK TO THAT
TYPICAL TYPE OF DEBATE WE'VE
SEEN IN THE PAST.
I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED LAST
NIGHT WHEN YOU SAW REALLY
PETER MACKAY AND ERIN
O'TOOLE GOING AT IT REALLY
HARD, YOU KNOW, OFTEN
CALLING EACH OTHER A LIAR,
SAYING THAT -- WE HEARD
PETER MACKAY SAY THAT ERIN
O'TOOLE WAS ANGRY.
TONIGHT, MUCH MORE SUBDUED.
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>> IT WAS POSED SPECIFICALLY TO
TWO SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE
CANDIDATES IN THIS RACE.
THERE WASN'T A LOT OF
DISAGREEMENT THERE.
YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT
BACK-AND-FORTH AND TO AND FRO
YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD IF PETER
MacKAY WAS INVOLVED IN THAT
PART OF THE DEBATE BUT IT WAS
BETWEEN LESLYN LEWIS AND DEREK
SLOAN.
IT WAS A MUCH MORE SUBDUED AND
TAMED DOWN VERSION OF LAST
NIGHT'S FRENCH DEBATE, FOR SURE.
>> THANKS, HANNAH.
REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
WE'LL BE LISTENING FOR YOUR
QUESTIONS IN THE SCRUMS.
HANNAH THIBEDEAU IN TORONTO.
I WANT TO BRING IN OUR PANEL OF
CONSERVATIVE STRATEGISTS.
JENNI BYRNE WAS THE DEPUTY CHIEF
OF STAFF TO PRIME MINISTER
STEPHEN HARPER, DIRECTOR OF
OPERATIONS AND PRINCIPAL
SECRETARY FOR DOUG FORD.
SHARA CHAMBERS IS A SENIOR
CONSULTANT WITH NAVIGATOR AND
KORY TENEYCKE A MANAGER AT
RUBICON STRATEGY AND FORMER
DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR
STEPHEN HARPER.
HELLO, GOOD TO SEE YOU AFTER
THIS TWO-HOUR DEBATE.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS STICKING
AROUND WITH US.
MY INITIAL OBSERVATION WAS JUST
THAT IT WAS DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDED LIKE ERIN
O'TOOLE LISTENED TO YOUR
COMMENTS LEADING INTO THE DEBATE
WHEN YOU SAID HEY, HE WAS MAYBE
A GOING TOO HARD AT PETER
MacKAY BECAUSE HE CERTAINLY
DIDN'T GO AS HARD TONIGHT.
>> HE WAS DEFINITELY MUCH LESS
CHIPPY.
HIS DEMEANOR WAS A LOT MORE -- I
HATE TO USE THE WORD CONTROLLED
BUT -- AND THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN
A LANGUAGE THING, NOT TO GO BACK
TO THE LAST LEADERS' DEBATE
FEDERALLY IN OCTOBER.
IF YOU REMEMBER MAXIME BERNIER
WAS UBER AGGRESSIVE IN ENGLISH
AND LESS SO IN FRENCH.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS A STRATEGY.
I JUST DON'T THINK HE WAS AS
COMFORTABLE IN ENGLISH AS WHAT
HE WAS IN FRENCH.
I THINK THAT IF THERE'S A WINNER
COMING OUT OF THIS, I THINK
MacKAY PROBABLY WAS THE ONE
COMING OUT OF THIS LOOKING THE
BEST AGAIN TONIGHT.
HE WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL IN A LOT
OF HIS COMMENTS.
HE REALLY IN SOME OF THE ANSWERS
ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF THE
QUESTION ABOUT WHY DO YOU WANT
TO BE PRIME MINISTER, HE A VERY
WELL THOUGHT-OUT ANSWER AND IN
TERMS OF THE DEBATE GENERALLY, I
THOUGHT THE FIRST PART OF THE
DEBATE WAS A LITTLE HARD TO
WATCH.
I FELT IT WAS A BIT CHOPPY AND
WEIRD WITH THE TWO-MINUTE
EXCHANGES AND THE FOUR-PERSON
QUESTION AT THE FRONT BUT I
THOUGHT AS THE DEBATE PROGRESSED
AND YOU HAD THE SEVEN-MINUTE
EXCHANGES IT WAS A LOT MORE
INTERESTING TO FOLLOW.
>> Vassy: THE SEVEN-MINUTE
EXCHANGES CERTAINLY LENT
THEMSELVES TO GETTING A BIT MORE
FROM THE CANDIDATES ABOUT WHERE
THEY STOOD ON THE ISSUES.
KORY, WHAT WAS YOUR OVERALL
TAKEAWAY?
>> I LARGELY AGREE WITH JENNI'S
COMMENTS.
I THINK MacTAY STOOD OUT VERY
WELL.
O'TOOLE WAS QUITE SUBDUED AND
TRYING TO SMILE AND BE A LITTLE
BIT FRIENDLIER THAN HE WAS IN
THE FRENCH DEBATE WHICH PROBABLY
SERVED HIM WELL ALSO.
WHO REALLY IMPRESSED ME WAS
LESLYN LEWIS.
VERY ARTICULATE, SUBSTANTIVE
ANSWERS.
IN SOME AREAS LIKE HER
DESCRIPTION OF SYSTEMIC RACISM,
I THINK IT WAS EXCELLENT AND THE
SORT OF THING THAT ADDED TO THE
DEBATE.
>> Vassy: SHAKIR, ANY
SURPRISES FOR YOU AND DO YOU
AGREE WITH YOUR CO-PANELISTS
THAT Mr. MacKAY SEEMS TO
HAVE ESCAPED AS THE WINNER?
>> NO REAL SURPRISES.
I THINK IT WASN'T AS FIERY AS
YESTERDAY'S DEBATE BUT I DO
THINK THERE WERE TIMES WHEN
Mr. O'TOOLE WAS TRYING TO GO
AT Mr. MacKAY IN RESPONDING.
THE ONLY TIME Mr. MacKAY
REALLY GAVE HIM A RESPONSE WAS
AROUND THE CARBON TAX AND ISSUE
PRICING KIND OF A POLICY THERE.
ASIDE FROM THAT, I THINK THEY
KIND OF STAYED TO THE SCRIPT,
KIND OF SAID THEIR PIECES AND I
THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME,
I WAS HAPPY TO SEE HIM TALK
ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE PARTY,
INCLUSION, THOSE ARE KEY
MESSAGES BECAUSE MOVING FORWARD
AS Mr. O'TOOLE AND MacKAY
SAID, THE KEY HERE, YOU NEED TO
WIN THE LEADERSHIP AND CATER TO
THE BASE AND CATER TO THE PARTY
BUT MOVING FORWARD THE BIG THING
IS MAKING SURE PEOPLE IN THE
CENTRE, PEOPLE RIGHT OF CENTRE
APPEAR TO POLICIES, ACTUALLY
UNDERSTAND OUR VALUES.
WE HAVE THIS CONSERVATIVE VISUAL
WE CAN UNITE THE PARTY AND MOVE
FORWARD TOGETHER TO TRY TO WIN
THE NEXT ELECTION.
I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB
COMMUNICATING THOSE THINGS
THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE.
FOCUSING ON UNITY.
>> Vassy: IF THAT IS THE
MESSAGE THEY WERE TRYING TO
COMMUNICATE, WHAT DO THEY CONVEY
THAT MIGHT CONVINCE PEOPLE
LIVING IN ONTARIO OR QUÉBEC
WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE LOST OUT
IN THE LAST ELECTION WHERE
CONSERVATIVES ARE A PARTY THEY
CAN CONSIDER VOTING FOR?
>> WE SAW AS THE DEBATE
PROGRESSED, WE SAW THAT THERE
WAS A WIDE RANGE OF POLICY
ISSUES DISCUSSED.
WITH HE THE TYPICAL STUFF AT THE
END, SNIPING ON SUPPLY
MANAGEMENT AND ERIN'S CAN
POLICY.
BUT IT WAS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT BY
EVERYONE ON STAGE THAT THE LAST
CAMPAIGN WAS NOT A GOOD ONE FOR
US THAT IN SOME WAYS WE DIDN'T
HAVE AS EXPANSIVE POLICIES AS
WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE IN DIFFERENT
AREAS.
I NOTICED THERE WAS A ROBUST
DISCUSSION ON THE ENVIRONMENT, I
KNOW IT WAS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY
LESLYN LEWIS WAS VERY PASSIONATE
ABOUT AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY
INTERESTING THE MacKAY
STRATEGY AND WHEN WE DISCUSSED
WHEN THAT TOPIC CAME UP BECAUSE
HE PIVOTED RIGHT INTO ENERGY
POLICY AND TALKING ABOUT
PIPELINES AND SELLING ALBERTA
OIL SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY
INTERESTING PIVOT FOR HIM.
>> Vassy: THE ENVIRONMENT IS
AN INTERESTING ISSUE BECAUSE
THERE WAS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT BY
LEWIS AND O'TOOLE THAT IT WAS
SOMETHING THAT THE PARTY
STRUGGLED WITH IN THE LAST
ELECTION.
EVERYBODY IS SAYING THAT THE
CARBON TAX IS BAD, BUT THE
VISION EVEN THAT A FEW OF THEM
PUT FORWARD, THOSE WHO DID HAVE
A MORE CONCRETE PLAN, KORY, IT
WASN'T A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT
THAN WHAT ANDREW SCHEER PUT
FORWARD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY PLAN ON
COMMUNICATING IT DIFFERENTLY.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A
MISTAKE FOR THE PARTY.
I THINK HAVING A SUBSTANTIVE
PLAN THAT IS DIFFERENT, I THINK
CARBON TAXES FOR MOST
CONSERVATIVES ARE JUST A TOTAL
NONSTARTER.
SO HAVING MORE DETAILED LOOK AT
HOW IS IT YOU ARE GOING TO
APPROACH IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS
INTERESTING THE EXCHANGES
BETWEEN O'TOOLE AND MacKAY ON
THAT.
I THINK O'TOOLE'S APPROACH IS
PROBABLY ONE THAT WOULD BE
APPEALING TO A LOT OF PREMIERS
THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE
FLEXIBILITY TO DETERMINE THEIR
OWN PLAN.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT IF IT ENDS UP
BEING A CARBON TAX AND SOME OF
THOSE JURISDICTIONS?
WELL, MAYBE THAT'S NOT A GOOD
ONE IF THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS,
JUST WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
BUT I THINK MORE SUBSTANTIVE
POLICIES ARE GOING TO SERVE THE
CONSERVATIVES WELL AND THE
ENVIRONMENT CANADA IS ONE OF THE
AREAS WHERE WE CERTAINLY DROPPED
THE BALL LAST NIGHT.
>> Vassy: AS WE WAIT FOR THE
FIRST SCRUM WHICH I BELIEVE IS
GOING TO BE ERIN O'TOOLE, THE
FIRST MEDIA AVAILABILITY,
THEY'RE GOING TO TALK TO
REPORTERS.
I DO WANT TO PLAY ONE EXCHANGE
FROM THE DEBATE.
IT'S THE LAST ONE JUST FOR THE
CONTROL ROOM, CLIP NUMBER 8,
THAT'S THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN
O'TOOLE AND MacKAY, JUST TO
GET A SENSE OF SOME OF THE TIMES
THEY WENT AFTER EACH OTHER A
LITTLE BIT.
LET'S TAKE A LISTEN.
>> Mr. MacKAY SEEMS TO BE
WITH THE STATUS QUO, NOT
DEMANDING BETTER FROM THE WTO,
NOT DEMANDING BETTER FROM THE
UN.
THIS IS WHY IT'S TIME FOR THE
TRUE BLUE LEADERSHIP TO HOLD
PEOPLE TO ACCOUNT AND DON'T
ALLOW BAD ACTORS OF THE WORLD TO
GAIN THEM.
>> AWFUL IDEAS AND YOU'RE SEEING
A LOT OF THIS TONIGHT.
IT HAPPENS FOR US AS A PARTY
WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO NOT ATTACK
EACH OTHER BUT ATTACK THE
LIBERALS AND FOCUS OUR ATTENTION
ON PRESENTING IDEAS.
>> Vassy: IT WAS INTERESTING.
I WANTED TO PLAY THAT CLIP
BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF INDICATIVE
OF SOME PATTERNS WE SAW
PUNCTUATED LAST NIGHT BUT TO A
CERTAIN DEGREE TONIGHT IN WHICH
YOU WOULD HEAR Mr. O'TOOLE TRY
TO CONTRAST HIMSELF WITH
Mr. MacKAY AND
Mr. MacKAY REALLY QUICKLY
PIVOTED MORE TO CONTRAST WITH
THE LIBERALS.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS VERY
SMART ON THE MacKAY CAMPAIGN
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IN
TERMS OF GENERAL POLICIES
TOWARDS THE UNITED NATIONS, ERIN
AND PETER'S POSITIONS ARE VERY
SIMILAR.
I KNOW ERIN DID TOUCH ON THAT WE
SHOULD START WITHHOLDING MONEY
FROM THE W.H.O. AND THE UN
APPROACH ALSO THAT DEREK SLOAN
HAD.
I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF
CONSERVATIVES THAT ARE VERY
SYMPATHETIC TO THAT POSITION,
THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT SURE
HOW MANY ARE GOING TO VOTE
CONSERVATIVE OR EVEN GOING TO
VOTE ON THAT IN A LEADERSHIP
RACE.
BUT IT DEFINITELY SHOWED AN
ACTUAL STRATEGY BY MacKAY'S
PEOPLE BECAUSE WHENEVER ERIN
WOULD TRY TO KIND OF DRAW PETER
INTO KIND OF AN INTERNAL DEBATE
TO YOUR POINT, PETER JUST
PIVOTED RIGHT BACK TO JUSTIN
TRUDEAU AND I'M ASSUMING THAT
THE REASON THEY DID THAT WAS
THEY FEEL THEY ARE THE ONES,
THEY WANTED TO SHOW MEMBERS ON
STAGE THAT HE IS THE ONE THAT
WILL LOOK THE BEST IN TERMS OF
BEING ABLE TO TAKE ON TRUDEAU
AND WIN, WITH THE TWO OF THEM
STANDING SIDE BY SIDE.
>> Vassy: WHAT DO YOU THINK,
SHAKIR, IS BEHIND THAT STRATEGY?
>> I AGREE WITH JENNI 100%.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THERE
IS AS I SAID EARLIER, MacKAY
WANTED TO FOCUS ON A MESSAGE OF
UNITY.
INSTEAD OF ATTACKING ALL THE
OTHER CANDIDATES, HE WAS JUST
KIND OF FOCUSING ON INSTEAD I'M
THE GUY WHO IS GOING TO BATTLE
TRUDEAU, PROBABLY BELIEVES HE'S
IN THE LEAD IN POLLING SO
INSTEAD OF AGAIN SAYING WHAT IS
BAD ABOUT THE POLICY AND THE
POSITION, I CAN SHOW I'M THE GUY
WHO SHOULD BE THE CANDIDATE
TAKING ON THE LIBERALS.
IT WAS A DELIBERATE APPROACH BY
Mr. MacKAY TO SHOW THAT HE
IS PRIME MINISTERIAL, HE'S READY
TO TAKE ON THE LIBERALS IN THE
NEXT GENERAL ELECTION, IT'S OKAY
TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICIES
WITHIN THE PARTY BUT ULTIMATELY
HE BELIEVES HE'S THE FRONTRUNNER
AND IT WAS THE APPROACH TO FOCUS
ON UNITY WHICH I THINK HE DID A
GOOD JOB OF.
I THINK EVEN NUMEROUS TIMES
THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE YOU CAN
SEE HE WAS SAYING A LOT OF THE
CANDIDATES HAVE GREAT IDEAS, HE
WASN'T REALLY BASHING ANYBODY'S
IDEAS FOR BEING NOT WELL THOUGHT
OUT, NOT WELL CONCEIVED.
HE ALWAYS HAD GREAT IDEAS, THIS
IS ABOUT WHAT THE PARTY IS
ABOUT, GENERATING IDEAS AND
HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
AGAIN HIS MENTION OF UNITY, HIS
MENTION OF SHOWING THAT HE WAS
PRIME MINISTERIAL AND THE GUY
AGAINST TRUDEAU, THAT WAS THE
BIGGER STRATEGY.
>> Vassy: THE POINT YOU MADE
PRIOR TO THE START OF THE
DEBATE, DOES ERIN O'TOOLE HAVE
MUCH OF A CHOICE?
HE'S TRYING TO CONTRAST HIMSELF
TO Mr. MacKAY, HE'S TRYING
TO I THINK MOVE PEOPLE WHO WOULD
NATURALLY GRAVITATE TOWARDS
Mr. MacKAY TO SHOW THEM HE'S
A DIFFERENT OPTION.
THAT'S THE MESSAGE HE WOULD PUT
FORWARD IF HE DIDN'T CONTRAST
HIMSELF AND THIS ONE OPPORTUNITY
TO DO SO.
WHEN ELSE COULD HE?
>> I THINK THE -- I DON'T THINK
THE CAMPAIGN IS WINNING RIGHT
NOW AND I THINK THE VOTES THAT
HE'S MOST LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO
CONVINCE ARE PEOPLE IN PETER'S
CAMPAIGN.
BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR
CANDIDATES IN A LOT OF WAYS.
I THINK HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO
SHAKE THE TREE AS HARD AS HE CAN
TO TRY TO FREE UP SOME OF THE
VOTES.
ONE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO
MENTION, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT
SLOAN MUCH, BUT UNLESS MY EARS
WERE DECEIVING ME, AT ONE POINT
HE SAID HE IS AGAINST MANDATORY
VACCINATION AND BEING AN
ANTI-VAXXER I THINK IS SORT OF A
WINGNUT POSITION AND I'M
SURPRISED THAT NOBODY ON THE
STAGE TOOK ISSUE WITH THAT.
>> Vassy: NOBODY TOOK ISSUE
WITH PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING HE
SAID.
I MEAN, HE TALKED ABOUT HOW
SHREWD DONALD TRUMP WAS, THE
POSSIBILITY OF HIM WINNING THE
ELECTION.
HE WANTS TO COMPLETELY DEFUND
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.
TO HANNAH'S POINT, JENNI, WHEN
IT COMES TO THE STUFF WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT PRIOR TO THIS, THE
IDEA OF SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES OR
THE ISSUES PERTAINING TO SOCIAL
CONSERVATISM LIKE THROWING
PEOPLE OFF THEIR GAME, IT WAS
AVOIDED BECAUSE THE MODERATOR
THREW THE QUESTIONS TO THE TWO
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES ON THE
STAGE WHO IDENTIFY AS SUCH AND
LIMITED THE DEBATE TO THEM,
WHICH WAS KIND OF INTERESTING.
>> IT WAS VERY INTERESTING AND I
DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS LUCK OF
THE DRAW OR A FLIP OF THE COIN
OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO --
>> Vassy: OR ON PURPOSE.
>> OR ON PURPOSE.
[ Laughter ]
BUT I THINK THAT IT WAS TEN
MINUTES IN AND WAS WHEN HE
TALKED ABOUT GENDER DYSPHORIA
AND I THINK IT WAS TEN MINUTES
INTO THE DEBATE AND I THINK THE
OTHER CANDIDATES AND THAT ALSO
INCLUDES --
>> Vassy: SORRY, JENNI, I GOT
TO CUT YOU OFF.
I APOLOGIZE.
Mr. O'TOOLE JUST STEPPED UP TO
THE MICROPHONE.
I'M GOING TO JOIN UP TO THAT
PANEL IN A SECOND.
LET'S LISTEN IN AS Mr. O'TOOLE
TAKES QUESTIONS FROM REPORTERS.
>> FIRST UP WE HAVE ERIN
O'TOOLE.
OPERATOR, COULD YOU SEND THROUGH
THE FIRST CALLER.
>> CERTAINLY.
FIRST QUESTION WILL BE FROM NICO
JOHNSON AT THE POST MILLENNIAL.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> HI, I CAN HEAR YOU.
>> PERFECT.
>> HI, ERIN.
IN 2017, YOU RAN ON A PLATFORM.
NOW IN 2020 YOU'RE RUNNING AS A
CANDIDATE TO THE RIGHT OF PETER
MacKAY.
I'M WONDERING WHAT HAS CHANGED
IN THOSE THREE YEARS TO CHANGE
YOUR POSITION.
>> MY POSITION HASN'T CHANGED
BUT THE COUNTRY HAS CHANGED.
WE'RE MORE DIVIDED.
WE'RE WEAKER.
THERE'S LESS OPPORTUNITY FOR MY
KIDS' GENERATION.
WE HAVE LESS RESPECT ON THE
WORLD STAGE.
THAT WAS SHOWN IN SPADES JUST
YESTERDAY.
SO I'M MORE PASSIONATE TO MAKE
SURE WE WIN THIS NEXT ELECTION
AND THAT'S WHY THE MESSAGE WE'RE
PROVIDING IS RESONATING WITH OUR
MEMBERS FROM COAST TO COAST.
>> RIGHT.
AND YOU OBVIOUSLY -- AS YOU SAID
THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE TONIGHT.
NOW, WHAT DO THE CONSERVATIVES
NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO CONVERT
TO THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY?
>> WE HAVE TO GROW SUBURBAN AND
URBAN VOTERS.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING
CONSISTENTLY.
WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT BY
REACHING OUT AND CONNECTING THEM
ON OUR VALUES, PARTICULARLY
PARTS OF THE GTA LIKE
MISSISSAUGA, BRAMPTON.
THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESS
OWNERS FIRST OR SECOND
GENERATION CANADIAN.
THEY'VE BEEN ACTUALLY ATTACKED
BY TRUDEAU WITH THE SMALL
BUSINESS TAX CHANGES, LEFT OUT
OF THE COVID RESPONSE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
THAT MAY NOT HAVE SEEN
THEMSELVES AS CONSERVATIVES.
WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT, BUILD
OUR MOMENTUM AND WE'RE ALREADY
SEEING PROGRESS.
>> THANK YOU.
WE'LL GO TO THE FLOOR.
WHOEVER WANTS TO GO FIRST.
>> HI, Mr. O'TOOLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, YOU
SEEM TO HAVE DIALED BACK YOUR
ATTACKS ON Mr. MacKAY TODAY.
WHY?
>> WELL, I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE
EASIER.
Ms. RAITT PROVIDED DIRECT TIME
FOR PEOPLE.
I WAS TRYING TO GET IN SOME
DEBATE IN EXCHANGE.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO
BE.
I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE EASIER
TONIGHT.
THIS IS NEW FOR ALL OF US.
THERE'S REMOTE CAMERAS IN THESE
SORTS OF THINGS.
LAST NIGHT WAS A BIT OF A HARDER
TIME TO GET SOME ENGAGEMENT
GOING AND SO TONIGHT FLOWED
BETTER.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU, I THINK IT
WAS AFTER IN THE DEBATE BUT I'M
NOT SURE IF IT WAS CLEAR.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S
SYSTEMIC RACISM IN CANADA?
AND IN OUR INSTITUTIONS?
>> WHAT I SAID TONIGHT WAS I
THINK WE OWE IT TO CANADA TO
MAKE SURE WE REMAIN THE BEST
COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND WE
STAMP OUT ANY INSTANCES OF
RACISM, UNFAIRNESS,
DISCRIMINATION AND HAVE A
COMMITMENT TO THAT.
I HAVE TRIED TO HAVE A
COMMITMENT TO THAT AS A PUBLIC
OFFICIAL AND THERE'S GOT TO BE A
ZERO TOLERANCE APPROACH AND I
WILL HAVE THAT APPROACH,
CONSERVATIVES ARE LIBERTY
MINDED, MERIT-BASED RULE OF LAW.
I THINK WE CAN REALLY TAKE UP
THIS ISSUE AND MAKE SURE THERE'S
A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL.
>> I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ANSWERED
THE QUESTION, THOUGH.
DO YOU BELIEVE THERE'S SYSTEMIC
RACISM IN CANADA AND IN OUR
INSTITUTION?
>> I THINK IF SOMETHING IS
BROUGHT UP IN AN INSTITUTION
WHETHER IT'S RCMP, THE MILITARY,
TRANSPORT CANADA, ANY INSTANCE
WE HAVE TO STAMP IT OUT.
I'VE ACTUALLY WRITTEN TO THE
TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT ON CASES THAT
I WANTED EXAMINED PREVIOUSLY AND
THEY PROVIDED ME WITH SOME OF
THE PROCESSES THAT WERE LOOKED
AT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S EQUAL
OPPORTUNITY.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO INSIST
UPON.
>> EXCEPT THAT YOUR PLATFORM
CALLS FOR MANDATORY MINIMUMS AND
MANDATORY MINIMUMS ARE ONE OF
THE THINGS WIDELY CITED AS
INCREASING THE RATES OF
INLACERATION -- INCARCERATION
FOR INDIGENOUS AND BLACK
CANADIANS.
HOW DO YOU SQUARE THAT?
>> I SQUARE IT BY MY MANDATORY
MINIMUM POLICIES ARE VERY, VERY
NARROW.
THEY'RE ONLY FOR THE MOST
SERIOUS, VIOLENT CRIMES OR
TRAFFICKING IN ILLEGAL GUNS.
THESE ARE VERY SERIOUS PUBLIC
SAFETY MEASURES AND I THINK
SOCIETY WARRANTS A DEFINITE
PUNISHMENT, A CLEAR SIGNAL THAT
WE'RE DENOUNCING THAT CONDUCT
AND IT'S RELATED TO THE ACTION
AND I THINK IT WILL NOT ONLY BE
IN LINE WITH WHAT CANADIANS
EXPECT, IT WILL BE SOMETHING
THAT I THINK WILL MAKE OUR
COMMUNITY SAFER.
>> YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED
THE QUESTION SO I'LL ASK IT A
DIFFERENT WAY.
HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE SYSTEMIC
RACISM?
>> YOU COULD DEFINE IT TO ME.
I'VE SAID WHENEVER WE SEE AN
INSTANCE OF RACISM, ZERO
TOLERANCE.
AND I'VE SAID WHEN I'VE HAD A
COMPLAINT FROM A CONSTITUENT, I
RAISED THAT WITH THE DEPARTMENT
AND LEARNED THEIR PROCEDURES FOR
LOOKING AT IT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A
ZERO TOLERANCE APPROACH FROM TOP
TO BOTTOM.
>> OPERATOR, WE'LL GO BACK TO
THE PHONE, PLEASE.
>> NEXT QUESTION WILL BE FROM
CATHERINE LEVAC AT CANADIAN
PRESS.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: WE'LL
GO BACK TO FRENCH.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU COMMENT
ON WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THERE IS
SYSTEMIC RACISM IN CANADA.
>> Voice of Interpreter: AS I
SAID IN ENGLISH, WE MUST WORK
HARDER.
TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A
PROPER OPPORTUNITY AND IT MUST
BE ZERO TOLERANCE ON THIS IN
CANADA.
THAT IS THE APPROACH I WILL
TAKE.
BUT AS A CONSERVATIVE, I AM
PROUD TO BE PART OF A COUNTRY
WHERE EVERYONE HAS AN EQUAL
OPPORTUNITY.
BUT I THINK THERE MUST BE ZERO
TOLERANCE FOR THIS.
>> Voice of Interpreter: YES,
AND YOUR OPPONENT, WITH RESPECT
TO THE LEGISLATION IN QUÉBEC,
SOME COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID THAT
IT IS RACIST.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>> Voice of Interpreter: NO, I
BELIEVE THAT THAT BILL COMES
WITHIN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE
QUÉBEC PARLIAMENT.
I SERVED CANADA WITH PEOPLE OF
ALL RACES AND CULTURE.
BUT I BELIEVE IT'S UP TO THE
NATIONAL ASSEMBLY TO DEAL WITH
THIS.
IT FALLS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION
OF THAT PROVINCE AND I WILL
RESPECT THEIR DECISION.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> NEXT QUESTION WILL BE FROM
ANDREW LAWTON AT TRUE NORTH.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> GOOD EVENING, Mr. O'TOOLE.
IN YOUR PLATFORM YOU PROMISED TO
CUT FUNDING TO CBC'S DIGITAL AND
NEWS PROPERTIES AND EVENTUALLY
PRIVATIZING.
MORE BROADLY, DO YOU THINK
THERE'S AN ANTI-CONSERVATIVE
BIAS PROBLEM IN CBC OR EVEN IN
MAINSTREAM MEDIA MORE BROADLY?
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO GET OUR
MESSAGE OUT BETTER AND I WANT TO
MAKE SURE WE DO THAT AS A PARTY.
I WON'T SPEAK TO WHAT I
PERCEIVE.
SOMETIMES I DON'T FEEL WE GET A
FAIR SHAKE.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU BUT I
THINK IT'S ALSO TIME FOR US TO
MODERNIZE A STATE OWNED
BROADCASTER IN AN AGE WHERE
THERE'S APPS, EVEN THE GEM APP
THEMSELVES, WE DON'T NEED A
CROWN AGENCY COMPETING WITH
SHRINKING PRIVATE SECTOR DOLLARS
FOR ADVERTISING.
SO THE PUBLIC INTEREST MANDATES
FOR RADIO AND LINGUISTIC
SERVICES ARE CRITICAL.
THEY'RE PUBLIC INTEREST BUT FOR
ENGLISH TELEVISION AND FOR
DIGITAL, THEY'RE COMPETING WITH
THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND I THINK
WE NEED TO MINIMIZE THAT.
>> FOLLOW-UP.
>> SHIFTING TO THE CARBON TAX,
YOU HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR YOU
WANT TO REPEAL THE FEDERAL
CARBON TAX AND NOT FORCE ONE ON
PROVINCES.
WHAT ABOUT IN A REVERSE
SITUATION?
SUPPOSE THAT YOU'RE THE PRIME
MINISTER, THERE'S A CONSERVATIVE
GOVERNMENT FEDERALLY, BUT A
PROVINCE WANTS TO PUT FORWARD A
PROVINCIAL CARBON TAX, WOULD YOU
ALLOW THAT?
>> WE HAVE TO RESPECT PROVINCIAL
JURISDICTION.
IF IT'S GOING TO LOWER
EMISSIONS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY CLOSER TO THEIR
OWN ECONOMY THAN OTTAWA IS AND
WE SAW THAT FROM A CARBON TAX
CHALLENGE IN ALBERTA COURTS.
SO I WILL RESPECT PROVINCIAL
JURISDICTION AND THEN FEDERALLY,
WHERE WE CAN COME UP WITH BETTER
REGULATIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION
MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT, LOWER
EMISSIONS WHERE WE CAN PARTNER
WITH NUCLEAR ENERGY AND CARBON
CAPTURE SEQUESTRATION, PIPELINES
FOR LNG, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS
WE CAN DO ON TOP OF WHAT THE
PROVINCES ARE DOING.
BUT AN OTTAWA KNOWS BEST
APPROACH IS AN APPROACH FOR THE
LIBERALS.
I'M A BIT SURPRISED THAT
Mr. MacKAY IS SHOCKED THAT
I'M GOING TO RESPECT WHAT
PREMIER KENNEY OR PREMIER FORD
DECIDES TO DO IN THEIR
JURISDICTION.
>> WE'LL TAKE A FINAL QUESTION
ON THE FLOOR.
>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TO
MAKE SURE I'M ACCURATE WHEN I
SAY THIS.
WHEN I ASKED IF YOU BELIEVE
THERE'S SYSTEMIC RACISM IN
CANADA AND IN OUR INSTITUTIONS,
I GET THE FEELING THE ANSWER IS
NO.
>> THERE IS RACISM IN CANADA AND
WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO
STAMP IT OUT.
WHAT WE HAVE TO DO NOW IS COME
UP WITH MAKING SURE THERE'S
MEASURES THAT OVERSEES THE
ENTIRE PROCESS.
AS I SAID, I'VE ACTUALLY RAISED
THIS ISSUE AS AN MP ON BEHALF OF
A CONSTITUENT AND ASKED THE
GOVERNMENT ABOUT THE PROCESS TO
ENSURE THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY
FOR ALL, THERE'S NO LIMITATIONS
ON ADVANCEMENT, AND AS I SAID,
ZERO TOLERANCE APPROACH.
I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO
APPROACH IT.
AND AS CONSERVATIVES, I THINK
IT'S PART OF OUR VALUES, AND SO
I'M COMMITTED TO STAMPING IT
OUT.
>> WHAT ABOUT IN THE RCMP?
>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING
EXAMINED RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK
THE COMMISSIONER IS COMING UP
WITH HER PROPOSAL TO LOOK AT
WHAT PROGRAMS ARE IN PLACE NOW,
AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE
SURE THAT THERE'S PUBLIC
CONFIDENCE IN THAT IMPORTANT
INSTITUTION.
I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE MEN AND
WOMEN THAT STEP FORWARD TO SERVE
OUR COUNTRY.
THAT'S A CHALLENGING JOB.
NO ONE IS MORE UPSET BY THE
TERRIBLE VIDEO FROM THE UNITED
STATES THAN MANY OF THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE I TALKED TO.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
WORK WITH THEM TO HAVE A ZERO
TOLERANCE APPROACH.
>> THANK YOU, Mr. O'TOOLE.
OPERATOR, CAN YOU PLEASE QUEUE.
>> Vassy: THAT IS CONSERVATIVE
LEADERSHIP CANDIDATE ERIN
O'TOOLE SPEAKING TO REPORTERS
FOLLOWING THE CONCLUSION OF THE
CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP DEBATE.
WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR PETER
MacKAY, THE NEXT CANDIDATE TO
STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU A BIT OF
INFORMATION ABOUT ERIN O'TOOLE.
HE'S 47 YEARS OLD.
HE IS A LAWYER.
HE'S ALSO THE FORMER MINISTER OF
VETERANS AFFAIRS FOR A LITTLE
WHILE UNDER PRIME MINISTER
HARPER.
THIS IS HIS SECOND RUN AT THE
CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP.
HE'S CURRENTLY AN MP AS WELL IN
THE CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS.
I'LL BRING BACK OUR PANEL.
JENNI BYRNE, SHAKIR CHAMBERS AND
KORY TENEYCKE.
SHAKIR, AN INTERESTING FEW
EXCHANGES WITH Mr. O'TOOLE
AROUND SYSTEMIC RACISM AND THAT
ACTUALLY PICKS UP ON SOMETHING
THAT WAS DEBATED OR DISCUSSED --
I'M SORRY, I DON'T GET TO GO TO
YOU BECAUSE Mr. MacKAY IS
ALREADY UP.
MY APOLOGIES.
WE'LL SWING BACK TO TORONTO AND
LISTEN TO Mr. MacKAY TAKE
QUESTIONS FROM REPORTERS.
>> STEPHANIE LEVITZ, CANADIAN
PRESS.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SYSTEMIC
RACISM BECAUSE THE DEBATE TODAY
IS VERY MUCH ABOUT SYSTEMIC
RACISM IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM AND
YOU WERE THE JUSTICE MINISTER
AND YOU WERE POSSIBLE FOR
IMPLEMENT -- RESPONSIBLE FOR
IMPLEMENTING POLICIES LIKE
MANDATORY MINIMUMS.
HOW MUCH RESPONSIBILITY DO YOU
BEAR FOR THAT?
>> I THINK OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS
PREDICATED ON ACCOUNTABILITY ON
VERY MUCH IMPROVING PEOPLE'S
LIVES WHEN IT COMES IN
PARTICULAR TO PROTECTING THEM
FROM CRIMES OF VIOLENCE AND
THAT'S WHERE I DREW THE LINE AND
THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO HAVE
MANDATORY MINIMUM PENALTIES THAT
SENT A CLEAR MESSAGE OF
DETERRENCE AND DENUNCIATION WHEN
IT CAME TO VIOLENCE, SEXUAL
VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN, USE
OF WEAPONS AGAINST CANADIANS.
SO THERE IS A PLACE IN THE
CRIMINAL CODE FOR MANDATORY
MINIMUMS AND THERE HAS BEEN
SINCE THE CRIMINAL CODE WAS
INTRODUCED OVER 150 YEARS AGO.
>> FOLLOW-UP.
>> HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE SYSTEMIC
RACISM?
>> SYSTEMIC RACISM IS DEEPLY
ROOTED IN INSTITUTIONS THAT
PERPETRATE AND ALLOW RACISM TO
GO ON.
WHAT WE HEARD COMING FROM THE
COMMISSIONER OF THE RCMP WAS AN
ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THAT
INSTITUTION, AMONGST OTHERS AND
MORE BROADLY OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM
THAT YOU SPOKE OF HAS TO
IMPROVE, AND THERE HAS TO BE A
LEVEL OF ACCEPTANCE IF WE'RE
GOING TO MAKE THOSE NECESSARY
IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S A DIFFICULT, AWKWARD BUT
NECESSARY CONVERSATION IF WE'RE
GOING TO GET TO THAT BETTER
PLACE AND IT WILL ONLY HAPPEN
OVER TIME.
THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE SOME
MAGIC APPROACH THAT WILL ALLOW
IT TO HAPPEN QUICKLY.
IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE
PRIVATE SECTOR AND IT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR WHEN
THERE IS A DEEP-SEATED
COMMITMENT TO GETTING THERE.
REMOVING THE BARRIERS AND
CALLING IT OUT.
CALLING IT OUT AND CALLING IT
FOR WHAT IT IS.
>> WOULD YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF
AN ALLY TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY?
CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE?
>> I WOULD.
ABSOLUTELY.
I MENTIONED TONIGHT THAT I GREW
UP IN A TOWN IN NOVA SCOTIA THAT
WAS VERY SEGREGATED AND THE
PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA HAS HAD
ITS OWN SPECIFIC ISSUES WHEN IT
COMES TO RACISM.
WE'VE HAD SCHOOLS THAT WERE PART
OF THAT HISTORY, THAT SAD
HISTORY.
THERE'S AFRICVILLE.
THERE'S MY COMMUNITY THAT I
REFERENCED WITH VIOLA DESMOND
AND THERE'S STILL A ROAD TO
TRAVEL.
AND SO YES.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE POINTS OF PRIDE
WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING
CELEBRATED THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF
AFRICAN-CANADIANS.
I THINK OF THE BLACK BA TAILIAN
AND TO SHARE A PERSONAL STORY,
ONE OF THE PROUDEST MOMENTS THAT
I HAD WHEN HOSTING CONDOLEEZZA
RICE ON HER VISIT TO CANADA WHEN
SHE CAME TO THANK CANADA AFTER
FIVE YEARS IN RESPONSE TO THE
ATTACKS IN NEW YORK AND ON THE
PENTAGON ON 9/11, SHE CAME TO MY
CONSTITUENCY AND IN NORTHERN
NOVA SCOTIA IN PICTOU COUNTY AND
I TOOK HER TO THE MONUMENT OF
THE BLACK BATTALION WHICH WERE
MEMBERS OF THE NOVA SCOTIA
COMMUNITY, THE BLACK COMMUNITY
WHO HAD SERVED IN WORLD WAR I
AND NEVER BEEN GIVEN PROPER
RECOGNITION FOR THAT SERVICE.
AND AS A DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL
DEFENSE, WE MADE THE DECISION TO
AWARD THE HIGHEST RANKING MEDAL
TO JEREMIAH JONES.
HE SHOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY
RECEIVED THE HIGHEST MILITARY
MEDAL AND FOR REASONS RELATED TO
RACISM AT THE TIME, HE WAS
DENIED AT VICTORIA CROSS AND SO
I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE CANNOT
ERASE OUR HISTORY BUT WE CAN
IMPROVE UPON IT OUT, ADD TO IT
AND TRY TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT.
THAT IS GOING TO BE A CONTINUOUS
WORK IN PROGRESS FOR OUR COUNTRY
AND MANY OTHERS.
>> NEXT QUESTION, PLEASE.
>> CATHERINE FROM THE CANADIAN
PRESS.
>> [ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: GOOD
EVENING, Mr. MacKAY HOW CAN
YOU?
>> Voice of Interpreter: THANK
YOU.
>> Voice of Interpreter: DO
YOU BELIEVE THERE'S SYSTEMIC
RACISM IN CANADA AND HOW CAN WE
COMBAT IT?
>> Voice of Interpreter:
UNFORTUNATELY, YES, I BELIEVE
THERE IS SYSTEMIC RACISM IN
CANADA.
AND EVERYONE, ALL CANADIANS MUST
TAKE AN APPROACH THAT WILL ALLOW
US TO FIND SOLUTIONS WITHIN OUR
INSTITUTIONS, OUR JUSTICE
SYSTEM, AND IN THE PRIVATE
SECTOR AS WELL.
SO THIS REQUIRES A COLLECTIVE
EFFORT IN THE FUTURE, AND ALL
MEMBERS OF OUR PARTY MUST MAKE A
REAL EFFORT TO RECOGNIZE THAT
THIS IS AN ISSUE.
AND ONE THAT REQUIRES EVERYONE
IN THIS COUNTRY MAKING AN EFFORT
TO COMBAT IT.
I THINK NOW WE HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A NATIONAL
CONVERSATION, A REAL
CONVERSATION BUT MORE
IMPORTANTLY A CONVERSATION ABOUT
SOLUTIONS.
>> Voice of Interpreter: DO
YOU BELIEVE THAT THE QUÉBEC
SECULARISM BILL IS AN EXAMPLE OF
RACISM, SYSTEMIC RACISM?
>> Voice of Interpreter: WELL,
WE HAVE SEEN ISSUES WITHIN OUR
JUSTICE SYSTEM AND OUR POLICING
SYSTEM AND NOW WE HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO MEMBERS
OF THE COMMUNITY AND FIND
SOLUTIONS THAT WORK.
NOT JUST PLATITUDES OR JUST
SYMBOLIC GESTURES.
WHAT WE NEED IS TO REALLY OPEN
THE DOOR AND HAVE THIS DIFFICULT
CONVERSATION ON THIS VERY
DIFFICULT ISSUE.
THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE
A SYSTEM THAT DID INVOLVE
RACISM.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> HI, Mr. MacKAY.
>> HI.
>> DO YOU AGREE WITH Mr. SLOAN
WHO SAYS THAT WE NEED TO BE
UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORTERS OF DUMP?
>> NO.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE
UNEQUIVOCAL OF SUPPORTERS OF ANY
ONE, PERSON, POLICY OR PLACE.
WE HAVE TO BE THOUGHTFUL.
WE HAVE TO BE ALWAYS PROTECTING
CANADIAN SOVEREIGNTY, ALWAYS OF
COURSE IN MY ESTIMATION AS
ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE NEED TO
ENSURE THAT CANADA'S INTERESTS
ARE PROTECTED, AND WE LIVE IN A
VERY COMPETITIVE WORLD.
WE LIVE IN A VERY VOLATILE TIME,
AND SO FOR THAT REASON, AND
CERTAINLY COMING OUT OF
COVID-19, I THINK THAT THERE HAS
BEEN REALLY I SEE IT AS A
POSITIVE RENEWED SENSE OF
PATRIOTISM TO PROTECT CANADA'S
INTERESTS AND THAT INCLUDES
ENSURING THAT OUR ECONOMY GETS
BACK ON ITS FEET, WE MAKE THE
NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS, BUT WE
CONTINUE TO REACH OUT AND WORK
WITH COUNTRIES LIKE THE UNITED
STATES AND OTHER LIKE-MINDED
COUNTRIES.
>> FOLLOW-UP.
>> I'M GOING TO TRY TO ASK TWO
QUESTIONS IN ONE HERE.
SO IN THIS DEBATE IT SEEMED LESS
CHIPPY THAN LAST NIGHT.
YOU AND Mr. O'TOOLE DIDN'T
SEEM TO BE KIND OF GOING AFTER
EACH OTHER.
THAT'S ONE PART.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS AND DO
YOU THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE
ANOTHER DEBATE?
>> TONIGHT I WAS TALKING
DIRECTLY TO CANADIANS AND I WAS
TALKING ABOUT MY IDEAS, MY
PLATFORM AT PETER MacKAY.CA.
I TALKED ABOUT THE EIGHT-POINT
JOBS PLAN.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY HELPFUL,
THOUGHTFUL DEBATE.
I THINK EVERYONE BROUGHT IDEAS
AND ASH TICKLATED THEM IN A WAY
THAT HELPS BUILT OUR PARTY, THAT
HELPS DEMONSTRATE THE DIVERSITY
AND THE INCLUSIVETY AND THE
IDEAS AND THE THOUGHTFULNESS
THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR RANKS.
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A TIME
FOR OUR PARTY TO CONTINUE DOWN
THAT POSITIVE PATH, THAT
CONSTRUCTIVE PATH.
I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE
BICKERING AND THE
BACK-AND-FORTH, IT'S A
BY-PRODUCT OF COMPETITION AND
IT'S A BY-PRODUCT OF PEOPLE'S
DESIRE TO WIN.
BUT I THINK THAT TONIGHT'S
DEBATE WAS A GOOD TONE,
SUBSTANTIVE AND I THINK THAT WE
SHONE A POSITIVE LIGHT ON OUR
ENTIRE PARTY TONIGHT.
>> ANOTHER DEBATE?
>> I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING
ABOUT OTHER DEBATES.
>> WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE PART
IN THAT?
>> WE'VE HAD LOTS OF
OPPORTUNITIES NOW THROUGH ZOOM,
THROUGH NEW TECHNOLOGIES THROUGH
SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS THAT WE
HAD TO OVERCOME HERE AND DEBATES
ARE A POSITIVE WAY TO
COMMUNICATE.
I HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING SINCE
THE VERY BEGINNING DIRECTLY
ONLINE.
SOCIAL MEDIA, OF COURSE; HAS
ALSO OPENED THE DOOR TO A LOT
MORE DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS WHICH
I SEE AS A POSITIVE STEP.
>> OPERATOR,WE CAN DO A FINAL
QUESTION FROM THE PHONE.
>> NEXT QUESTION WILL BE FROM
ANDREW LAWTON, TRUE NORTH.
PLEASE GO AHEAD, ANDREW.
>> GOOD EVENING, Mr. MacKAY.
IN THE PREVIOUS PARLIAMENT, THE
JUSTICE COMMITTEE HAD DONE
STUDIES ON THE POTENTIALLY
REVIVING A NEW VERSION OF THE
OLD SECTION 130 WHICH WAS THE
PART OF THE CANADIAN HUMAN
RIGHTS ACT THAT WENT AFTER
ONLINE SPEECH AND THE NEW
VERSION THAT ENDED UP BEING
RECOMMENDED WAS SOMETHING THAT
WOULD LOOK AT PUTTING LIABILITY
ON SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES THAT
HAVE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT
DETERMINES AS HATE SPEECH AND
ALSO BRINGING BACK SOME OF THOSE
MECHANISMS THAT ALLOW THE
GOVERNMENT TO USE HUMAN RIGHTS
LEGISLATION TO GO AFTER ONLINE
HATE SPEECH.
DO YOU SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE
THAT?
>> WOULD I SUPPORT, ANDREW,
FRANKLY IS GREATER EMPHASIS ON
PROTECTING CHILDREN FROM ONLINE
ABUSE, FROM LURING AND WE TRIED
TO DO THAT WHEN I WAS IN
GOVERNMENT WHEN I WAS JUSTICE
MINISTER, ONE OF THE BILLS THAT
WE BROUGHT FORWARD THAT IS NOW
PART OF THE CANADIAN CRIMINAL
CODE THAT I'M VERY PROUD OF WAS
DESIGNED TO PROTECT CHILDREN
FROM ONLINE BULLYING.
AND THE NONCONSENSUAL
DISTRIBUTION OF INTIMATE IMAGES.
THAT TYPE OF LEGISLATION WHEN
IT'S USED TO PROTECT RATHER THAN
TO BE PERNICIOUS OR LIMIT FREE
SPEECH, I DO SUPPORT THAT TYPE
OF LEGISLATION.
THIS BILL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE DETAILS OF
IT.
IN GENERAL TERMS I'M NOT FOR
PUNISHING PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS OR
EXPRESSIONS OR PUTTING
LIMITATIONS ON THEIR SPEECH.
I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOUR OF
PROTECTING CHILDREN, IN
PARTICULAR FROM ONLINE
ACTIVITIES GOING OUT I FIND TO
BE VERY PERNICIOUS, VERY EVIL,
QUITE FRANKLY AND THEY GO AFTER
VULNERABLE PEOPLE, CHILDREN WHO
ARE HIGHLY IMPRESSIONABLE.
I ALSO DO BELIEVE ON THE SAME
SUBJECT THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING
MORE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE BIG
INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS HAVE
REQUIREMENTS TO OPERATE IN
CANADA TO PROVIDE CANADIAN JOBS
AND TO NOT BE EXEMPT FROM THE
TAXATION, QUITE FRANKLY, THEY
ARE EXEMPT FROM CURRENTLY UNDER
THE RULES.
>> THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TIME FOR.
THANK YOU.
>> HOW DO YOU CONVINCE PEOPLE TO
CHOOSE YOU AS NUMBER TWO?
BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO.
>> AS I SAID, I'VE BEEN TALKING
TO CANADIANS AND I THINK THAT
WHAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE TODAY,
I WOULDN'T CALL CLASH OF IDEAS
AND IDEALS.
I THINK IT HAS BEEN VERY MUCH A
CONSERVATIVE DEBATE, A
THOUGHTFUL DEBATE AND I'M
REACHING OUT TO ALL OF THE
VOTERS, ALL OF THE CONSERVATIVE
MEMBERS OF OUR PARTY, THE
PROSPECTIVE VOTERS AND I'LL
CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
THIS CONTEST STILL HAS A LONG
WAY TO GO.
THE VOTE DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL
REALLY WE DON'T GET INTO THAT
UNTIL PROBABLY JULY AND THE
BALLOTS WILL BE COUNTED AUGUST
21st SO I INTEND TO CONTINUE
TO CAMPAIGN THROUGHOUT THAT
TIME.
HOPEFULLY THINGS WILL OPEN UP
AND WE'LL BE BACK INTO WHAT'S
DESCRIBED AS A MORE TRADITIONAL
CAMPAIGN AND WE'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO PUSH OUT IDEAS AND
POLICIES ON OUR PLATFORM.
AS WE DID TODAY, ON ENVIRONMENT,
DEFENSE, SECURITY.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A CONTINUOUS
EFFORT TO CONNECT WITH SOLUTION,
IDEAS, THOUGHTS THAT APPEAL TO
CANADIANS, NOT JUST
CONSERVATIVES.
>> THANK YOU, Mr. MacKAY.
>> Vassy: THAT IS PETER
MacKAY FOLLOWING ERIN O'TOOLE.
YOU'RE WATCHING AN EXTENDED
VERSION OF "POWER & POLITICS."
I'M YOUR HOST TONIGHT, VASSY
KAPELOS.
PETER MacKAY, I'LL PULL UP A
BOARD OR A PULL FRAME HERE TO
TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIM.
HE'S 54 YEARS OLD.
HE'S A LAWYER, HE'S THE FORMER
LEADER OF THE PROGRESSIVE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE VERY
FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
HE'S THE FORMER MINISTER OF
FOREIGN AFFAIRS, JUSTICE AND
DEFENSE UNDER STEPHEN HARPER.
HE LEFT POLITICS.
>> LAST NIGHT WE HAD A WHOLE
DEBATE IN FRENCH ENTIRELY AIMED
IN QUÉBEC AND YOU DIDN'T MENTION
THE SUBJECT ONE TIME.
>> IT WAS IN MY NOTES TO MENTION
BUT THE TOPIC DIDN'T COME UP.
WE WERE GIVEN TOPICS BEFOREHAND
OF WHAT TO EXPECT.
TONIGHT WE KNEW THAT RACISM WAS
ON THE TOPIC AND SO WE MADE SURE
TO PREP OUR NOTES FOR THAT.
BUT I DID HAVE IT IN MY BINDER
IN FRENCH LAST NIGHT AS WELL.
IT UNFORTUNATELY DID NOT COME
UP.
>> HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE SYSTEMIC
RACISM?
>> I WOULD SAY SYSTEMIC RACISM
WOULD BE A STRUCTURE OR A LAW IN
CANADA THAT TREATED PEOPLE
DIFFERENTLY BASED ON THEIR RACE
OR THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN OR
THEIR COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S
SYSTEMIC RACISM IN CANADA AND IN
OUR INSTITUTION?
>> ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITION I
GAVE, I FOCUSED ON THE
STRUCTURE, SO THE LAWS AND SO
FORTH.
I THINK WHAT PEOPLE TYPICALLY
MEAN WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT
SYSTEMIC RACISM IS THE EXISTENCE
OF RACIST PEOPLE IN OUR SYSTEMS.
I DON'T WANT TO GET BOGGED DOWN
WITH BEING TOO TECHNICAL.
OTHER THAN BILL C-21 WHICH I
BELIEVE IS DISCRIMINATORY, I'M
NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC LAW
WHICH TREATS PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY
BASED ON THE COLOUR OF THEIR
SKIN OR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S
DIFFERENT OUTCOMES IN OUR
JUSTICE SYSTEM AND Dr. LEWIS
CAME UP WITH SOME GOOD EXAMPLES
OF THAT.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE
LIKELY TO BE CONVICTED AND
RECEIVE LONGER SENTENCES AND SO
ON, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC LAW
THAT CESS CONVICT THEM MORE
OFTEN, GIVE THEM LONGER
SENTENCES.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE PERSON,
THE JURY OR THE PERSON SITTING
BEHIND THE BENCH.
SO THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT WE
NEED TO ELEVATE THE LEVEL OF OUR
AWARENESS, INDIVIDUALLY AMONGST
DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
BUT OTHER THAN BILL C-21, I'M
NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC RULE
OR REGULATION THAT TREATS PEOPLE
DIFFERENTLY BASED ON THEIR SKIN
COLOUR.
OR THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
>> UNDER THE PREVIOUS
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT,
IMMIGRATION POLICY VERY MUCH DID
THAT.
IT HAD A DISTINCT -- HEALTH CARE
WAS ALLOCATED BASED ON A COUNTRY
OF ORIGIN.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT A
SYSTEMIC RACISM POLICY?
>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOU
MEAN BY THAT QUESTION.
>> THE WAY REFUGEE CLAIMS IN
PARTICULAR WERE HANDLED WERE
BASED NORTH CAROLINA -- BASED ON
WHAT COUNTRY YOU CAME FROM AND
IN TURN DID YOUF --
>> I'M SORRY, I'M UNFAMILIAR
WITH HOW THIS WORKED IN REAL
LIFE.
THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF
WHAT COUNTRIES WERE ON THE GOOD
LIST OR THE BAD LIST.
>> CLAIMS OF HUNGARY WERE ON
DESIGNATED COUNTRY OF ORIGIN,
MEXICO.
>> HUNGARY WAS ON THE GOOD LIST
OR THE BAD LIST?
>> IT WAS NEITHER.
IT WAS THE WAY THE CLAIM WAS
TREATED.
YOU COULD CLASSIFY IT AS GOOD OR
BAD THAT CONSERVATIVES WOULD
HAVE SAID THERE ARE CLAIMS FROM
COUNTRIES --
>> HUNGARY WAS TREATED QUICKER
OR SLOWER THAN OTHER PLACES.
>> THE CLAIMS WERE PROCESSED
FASTER WITH LESS RIGHTS OF
APPEAL AND LESS ACCESS TO HEALTH
CARE.
>> HUNGARY VERSUS SOME OTHER
COUNTRY, OKAY.
THIS IS NEWS TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
I BELIEVE AN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM
NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL
AND THEIR CLAIM, NOT WHERE
THEY'RE FROM.
YEAH.
>> THANKS, WE'LL GO TO THE
PHONES NEXT.
OPERATOR, FIRST QUESTION.
>> FIRST QUESTION ON THE PHONE
IS FROM ANDREW LAWTON, TRUE
NORTH.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> GOOD EVENING.
YOU TOOK AIM THIS EVENING AT
CENSORSHIP BY SOCIAL MEDIA
COMPANIES.
LOOK, YOU'RE A FREE MARKET
CONSERVATIVE.
THESE COMPANIES, WHILE LARGE,
ARE OSTENSIBLY PRIVATE
COMPANIES.
HOW DO YOU PLAN TO ENFORCE FREE
SPEECH OR ANY SPECIFIC POLICIES
ON THIS PLATFORM IN A WAY THAT
DOESN'T GO DOWN THE ROAD OF
REGULATING PRIVATE ENTERPRISE?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA
COMPANIES ARE IN A POSITION OF
TRUST, BECAUSE THEY'RE OPEN TO
EVERYBODY IN CANADA AND THEY ARE
CORNED WITH ITS BY WHICH WE
RECEIVE INFORMATION, CONDUITS BY
WHICH WE SHARE INFORMATION.
AND SO IF A SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANY
WAS BANNING SOMEBODY BASED ON
THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN, WE
WOULD BE VERY UPSET BY IT AND WE
HAVE LAWS IN PLACE TO PREVENT
THAT TYPE OF THING FROM
HAPPENING.
WHEN IT COMES TO SOCIAL MEDIA
COMPANIES, IF THEY'RE TRYING TO
DIRECT THE FLOW OF INFORMATION
OR EVEN LET'S TAKE THE POLITICAL
CONTEXT OUT OF IT, LET'S JUST
FOCUS ON SOMETHING LIKE IN A
PANDEMIC RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE
SEEN YOUTUBE, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY
THAT WELL, IF YOU PUT OUT
SOMETHING THAT GOES AGAINST
PUBLIC HEALTH ADVICE, THEN WE'RE
GOING TO PULL IT DOWN.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IN A FREE
SOCIETY, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO
QUESTION THE ADVICE THAT WE
RECEIVE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO
QUESTION OUR GOVERNMENT AND I
THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT
WE ARE ABLE, I MEAN, I GAVE THE
EXAMPLE OF IF YOUTUBE WAS
MONITORING THAT RIGIDLY, IF
SOMEBODY HAD SAID HEY, WE SHOULD
WEAR MASKS, AND/OR WE SHOULD
INSTITUTE A TRAVEL BAN FROM
AFFECTED AREAS, BACK IN JANUARY
OR FEBRUARY, YOUTUBE COULD HAVE
PULLED THOSE VIDEOS BECAUSE
THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT
WAS ADVOCATING, THOUGH OTHER
GOVERNMENTS WERE.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT
SOCIAL MEDIA NEEDS TO BE OPEN
AND A FREE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, OF
COURSE, IF SOMEONE IS BREAKING A
LAW BY INTIMIDATING OR
THREATENING OR SOMETHING OF THAT
NATURE, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING
THAT WOULD BE COVERED.
>> FOLLOW-UP.
>> ON IMMIGRATION, YOU HAVE
PUSHED FOR AN OVERALL REDUCTION.
THE STEPHEN HARPER GOVERNMENT
HAD A MANAGEABLE AND STEADY
INCREASE IN IMMIGRATION NUMBERS
AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE SAID
OR CERTAINLY HAVEN'T HEARD YOU
SAY THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT
OVERTAXED CANADA.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD
BE, IF YOU CAN DO A SMART
IMMIGRATION, PRIORITIZE ECONOMIC
IMMIGRATION, VET PEOPLE AS YOU
TALKED ABOUT, WHY DOES THE
NUMBER HAVE TO GO DOWN IF YOU
ARE VETTING AS YOU MENTIONED A
FEW MOMENTS AGO INDIVIDUAL
IMMIGRANTS?
>> WELL, SO I DON'T BELIEVE
THERE'S ANY REASON TO BE VERY
RIGID ON NUMBERS.
I MEAN I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW THAT
LOWERING THE LEVEL TO WHAT I
SAID WOULD BE BEST FOR THE
COUNTRY BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU
MONITOR IT AND YOU CHANGE THINGS
IF THINGS NEED TO BE CHANGED BUT
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE
IMMIGRATION LEVELS THAT WE HAVE
AND THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT
ARE SETTLING FOR EXAMPLE IN
TORONTO, YEAR AFTER YEAR, ARE
JUST MANY MORE THAN THE NEW
HOUSING UNITS THAT WE HAVE AND I
LOOKED AT THE STATS EARLIER
TODAY AND WE HAD ROUGHLY LAST
YEAR ABOUT 150,000 PEOPLE
SETTLING IN THE CENSUS AREA FOR
THE GTA AND WE HAD 27,000 NEW
HOUSING UNITS COME ONLINE SO
OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN ONE PERSON
CAN FIT INTO A HOUSE BUT YOU CAN
SEE THAT THE DEMAND IS GREATER
THAN THE SUPPLY.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE,
BUT I JUST BELIEVE OUR RISE IN
HOUSING PRICES OVER THE LAST
DECADE OR SO HAS BEEN UNNATURAL
AND IT'S NOT ALLOWING OUR
FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN THE GTA
AND OTHER AREAS TO AFFORD TO BUY
HOUSES AND I THINK THAT'S A
PROBLEM.
>> THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
>> Vassy: OH, WAIT, I THINK
HE'S GOT ANOTHER QUESTION THERE.
LET'S TAKE A LISTEN.
>> I WOULD LINING TO KNOW HOW
YOU JUSTIFY YOUR PREMISE THAT
NEW CANADIANS ARE SOCIAL
CONSERVATIVES WITH THE PARTY'S
FAILURE TO WIN A SINGLE SEAT IN
THE GTA AND ELSEWHERE IN THE
LAST ELECTION?
>> WE DIDN'T STAND ON THE
VALUES.
ANDREW SCHEER HAD THE VALUES
PERSONALLY BUT IF YOU DON'T DO
ANYTHING ABOUT IT, IF YOU DON'T
HAVE ANYTHING TO STAND ON, THEN
IT'S THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS.
PEOPLE VIEW THAT AS SELLING OUT.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT NEW
CANADIANS ARE MORE SOCIALLY
CONSERVATIVE, THEY'RE MORE
TRADITIONAL IN THEIR VIEWS, AND
I THINK WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT IN
WAYS THAT ARE INTELLIGIBLE AND
HELPFUL TO THE COUNTRY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Vassy: AS I WAS MENTIONING,
THAT IS CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP
CANDIDATE DEREK SLOAN.
WE WERE JUST SITTING BY AND
WAITING FOR THE FINAL CANDIDATE
TO STEP UP TO THE PODIUM.
LESLYN LEWIS.
ALL FOUR CANDIDATES TOOK PART IN
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY'S ENGLISH
LANGUAGE LEADERSHIP DEBATE JUST
OVER THE PAST FEW HOURS.
LAST NIGHT THEY HELD THEIR
FRENCH LANGUAGE DEBATE.
I'LL BRING UP SOME INFORMATION
NOW ABOUT DEREK SLOAN.
HE'S 35 YEARS OLD.
HE IS A LAWYER.
HE'S A NEWLY ELECTED MP FROM
ONTARIO AND AS YOU HEARD THERE
IN HIS LAST ANSWER, HE DOES
IDENTIFY AS SOCIALLY
CONSERVATIVE.
THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT QUESTIONS DIRECTED
TOWARDS THE CANDIDATES OVER THE
PAST 45 MINUTES OR SO.
BUT THE BULK OF THEM HAVE
FOCUSED ON THE ISSUES MUCH
OUTSIDE THE LEADERSHIP RACE AND
CERTAINLY THAT PERMEATED THE
DEBATE AROUND THE ISSUE OF
SYSTEMIC RACISM.
EACH OF THE CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN
ASKED TO DEFINE IT.
WE KNOW ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF
AGO WHEN THE COMMISSIONER OF THE
RCMP WAS ASKED TO DO THE SAME,
THEY, SHE GOT INTO TROUBLE BY
SAYING THERE WERE 15 TO 20
DEFINITIONS AND REVERSED IT
SAYING THERE WAS SYSTEMIC RACISM
IN THE RCMP.
ERIN O'TOOLE DID NOT OUTRIGHT
SAY WHEN HE WAS ASKED VERY
DIRECTLY WHETHER HE BELIEVED
THERE WAS SYSTEMIC RACISM DID
NOT SAY THAT HE DID.
HE DID SAY THAT HE WANTED TO
STAMP OUT ALL RACISM THAT HE
WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER
TO DO SO AND THERE MIGHT BE
INSTANCES OR MANY INSTANCES OF
IT BUT HE WOULD NOT SAY THAT IT
WAS SYSTEMIC IN NATURE.
PETER MacKAY, THE CANDIDATE
WHO CAME UP NEXT, TOOK A
DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW.
HE DID ACTUALLY TALK QUITE AT
LENGTH ABOUT HIS DEFINITION OF
SYSTEMIC RACISM.
HE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE
DISPROPORTIONATE OUTCOMES ON,
FOR EXAMPLE, AFRICAN CANADIANS,
BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY IN
THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.
HE WAS ALSO THE MINISTER OF
JUSTICE AND GOT SOME GOOD
QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUE,
HANNAH THIBEDEAU AS WELL AS MY
CANADIAN PRESS COLLEAGUE ABOUT
THAT AND THEN YOU HEARD DEREK
SLOAN THERE GET A NUMBER OF
QUESTIONS.
HIS QUESTIONS KIND OF ALL OVER
THE MAP.
A FEW ON THE ISSUE OF SYSTEMIC
RACISM BUT A NUMBER ALSO ON SOME
OF THE POLICY POSITIONS HE TOOK
MOST INTERESTINGLY HE TOOK A OH
POSITION ON BILL 21 IN QUÉBEC
BUT DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT IN THE
FRENCH DEBATE.
THERE'S LESLYN LEWIS.
LET'S LISTEN IN.
>> OUR NEXT AND FINAL CANDIDATE
IS LESLYN LEWIS.
OPERATOR, WE'LL GO TO THE PHONE.
FIRST QUESTION, PLEASE.
>> CATHERINE LÉVESQUE, CANADIAN
PRESS.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> HELLO, Dr. LEWIS.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, DO YOU
BELIEVE THERE IS SYSTEMIC RACISM
IN CANADA?
>> YES, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE
TO LOOK AT THE OUTCOMES OF
CERTAIN SYSTEMS AND THAT TELLS
YOU WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS
SYSTEMIC RACISM.
MANY PEOPLE MISINTERPRET WHAT
SYSTEMIC RACISM IS, AND SO MANY
PEOPLE THINK THAT OH, CANADIANS
ARE NOT RACIST, AND THE MAJORITY
OF CANADIANS ARE NOT RACIST.
BUT THAT IS NOT THE MARKER THAT
WE USE TO DEFINE WHETHER OR NOT
THERE'S SYSTEMIC RACISM.
THESE ARE TACIT, IMPLICIT
PRACTICES THAT LEAD TO UNEQUAL
OUTCOMES AND SO WE KNOW THAT IN
CERTAIN INSTITUTIONS, THAT THESE
OUTCOMES ARE THERE AND WE'VE HAD
SYSTEMIC RACISM IN CANADA.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A POINT
IN TIME WHERE FRANCOPHONES WERE
BEING CONVERTED AND TRYING TO BE
FORCED TO SPEAK ENGLISH AND SO
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM AND YOU
KNOW, IN QUÉBEC, PEOPLE ARE
STILL BEING FORCED TO NOT BEING
REPRESENTED IN THEIR LANGUAGE OF
CHOICE.
NOW, THAT IS NOT SYSTEMIC RACISM
PER SE BUT IT IS A FORM OF
DISCRIMINATION AND WE HAVE TO
LOOK AT THE OUTCOMES RATHER THAN
THE INDIVIDUAL INTENT.
>> FOLLOW-UP.
>> YES, AND DEREK SLOAN
MENTIONED BILL 21 IN QUÉBEC.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU
CONSIDER THIS -- WELL, IT'S NOT
BAIL, IT'S THE LAW NOW, TO BE AN
EXAMPLE OF SYSTEMIC RACISM.
>> I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT
THAT PEOPLE -- BECAUSE OF THE
CHARTER OF RIGHTS, WE DO HAVE
THE RIGHT TO PRACTICE OUR
RELIGION IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR
BELIEFS AND VALUES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO PRACTICE
THEIR RELIGION IN OUTWARDLY
MANNERS IF IT DOESN'T INTERFERE
OR IMPEDE WITH ANYBODY ELSE'S
RIGHTS.
>> WE'LL GO TO THE FLOOR FOR A
QUESTION.
>> HI, STEPHANIE LEVITZ WITH
CANADIAN PRESS.
I WONDER IF YOU COULD REFLECT A
BIT PERSONALLY.
YOU'RE A BLACK WOMAN UP ON STAGE
WITH THREE WHITE MEN TALKING
ABOUT JUSTIFYING THE EXISTENCE
OF SYSTEMIC RACISM IN CANADA AND
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE THROUGH
YOUR EYES.
>> I ACTUALLY DIDN'T SEE THEIR
RACE AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT IT
WAS RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT WHAT IS RELATIVE IS
GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT THERE
AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS MESSAGE
HAS COME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE
UNFORTUNATE DEATH OF A MAN AT
THE HANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
IT'S LED TO A LOT OF PROTESTS
AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE SEE
PROTESTS, IT'S REALLY PENT-UP
FRUSTRATION THAT PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN TRYING TO COMMUNICATE
CERTAIN THINGS FOR A LONG TIME
AND NOBODY WAS LISTENING.
SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO
HEAR THAT OTHER PEOPLE BELIEVE
THAT THERE'S SYSTEMIC RACISM
BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEEN UNEQUAL
OUTCOMES AND THOSE OUTCOMES ARE
WITHIN THE SYSTEM AND SO FOR THE
AVERAGE CANADIAN, THE AVERAGE
CANADIAN FEELS VERY HURT BECAUSE
THEY KNOW THAT THEY THEMSELVES
AREN'T RACIST AND THEY BECOME
DEFENSIVE AND THEY START TO SAY
NO, THERE IS NO SYSTEMIC RACISM
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT INTERPRETING
THE PROPER DEFINITION OF WHAT
SYSTEMIC RACISM IS.
THEY BELIEVE THERE HAS TO BE
SOME NEFARIOUS AND MALICIOUS
INTENT ON BEHALF OF THE PERSON
AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE.
WE COULD JUST HAVE SYSTEMS IN
PLACE THAT LEAD TO PREKUHLIAR
AND BIASED OUTCOMES AND IT'S UP
TO US AS CANADIANS AND AS
CONSERVATIVES WHO WE BELIEVE IN
EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S UP TO US TO SAY OKAY, IF
PEOPLE ARE ASSERTING THIS, THEN
LET'S LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE
CAN MAKE OUR SYSTEMS BETTER
BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THE GREATEST
COUNTRY IN THE WORLD BUT I THINK
WE STILL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO
MAKE IT BETTER.
>> FOLLOW-UP.
>> YOU SAID DURING THE DEBATE
THAT WHAT WAS REQUIRED SORT OF
END TO SYSTEMIC RACISM WAS TO
AIM FOR THE EQUALITY OF
OUTCOMES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT THAT YOU
THINK EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE
EQUAL OUTCOME?
>> NO, NO, NOT AT ALL.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EQUAL OF
OUTCOME IN THE SYSTEM.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF AN INDIGENOUS
PERSON IS CHARGED WITH AN
OFFENSE OR COMMITS AN OFFENSE
AND A WHITE PERSON COMMITS THE
SAME OFFENSE, BOTH OF THEM
SHOULD BE CHARGED.
BUT IF ONE PERSON IS CHARGED
OVER THE OTHER, THEN THAT'S THE
OUTCOME THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AS THE CONSERVATIVE, I BELIEVE
IN PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE
THEIR FUTURES.
I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A COMPLETE
CONTROL BY THE SYSTEM.
I BELIEVE THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE
THE ABILITY AS FREE AGENTS TO
IMPACT ON SYSTEMS AND TO CHANGE
AND EVEN WHEN SYSTEMS ARE SKEWED
AND THEY'RE DISADVANTAGED,
PERSEVERANCE AND HARD WORK COULD
STILL HAVE YOU PUSHED THROUGH SO
I DO BELIEVE IN PERSONAL
RESPONSIBILITY BUT THAT DOESN'T
ABSOLVE THE FACT THAT IF WE HAVE
IMPERFECT SYSTEMS THAT WE AS
SOCIETY HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS
IMPROVING THEM.
>> OPERATOR, WE'LL GO BACK TO
THE PHONES, PLEASE.
NEXT QUESTION.
>> NEXT QUESTION WILL BE FROM
DAVID MENZIES AT REBEL NEWS.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> YES, HELLO, MA'AM.
MY QUESTION PERTAINS TO FREEDOM
OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF THE
PRESS.
NAMELY AS THE LEADER OF THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OR EVEN PRIME
MINISTER, WOULD YOU ALLOW ALL
JOURNALISTS INTO PRESS
CONFERENCES AND WOULD YOU ALSO
ENSURE THAT BUREAUCRATIC
ENTITIES SUCH AS THE
COMMISSIONER OF CANADA ELECTIONS
WOULD NOT GO AFTER AUTHORS WHO
WRITE BOOKS CRITICAL OF THE
GOVERNMENT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
UNEQUIVOCALLY, I THINK THAT THAT
IS ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONS OF OUR
DEMOCRACY IS TO HAVE FREE PRESS
AND I SET AN EXAMPLE OF THAT
BECAUSE MY VERY FIRST INTERVIEW
WAS WITH REBEL MEDIA AND THAT
WAS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY HAD NOT
BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN INTERVIEWING
PEOPLE IN THE PARTY AND I WANTED
TO JUST TO OPEN THE DOOR AND TO
LET PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT I
BELIEVE IN FREE PRESS AND
SOMETIMES THE PRESS IS NOT
ALWAYS NICE TO US BUT IT IS
THEIR RIGHT.
IT'S A PART OF OUR FREEDOM OF
EXPRESSION AND IT'S A
CORNERSTONE OF A FREE SOCIETY.
>> FOLLOW-UP.
>> Ms. LEWIS, I'M ALSO CURIOUS
ON THE FIREARMS FILE.
WE JUST RECENTLY WITNESSED A
STAGGERING GUN GRAB BY THE
TRUDEAU LIBERALS IN WHICH SOME
1500 FIREARMS WILL BE MADE
ILLEGAL IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
THIS WAS DONE AS AN ORDER IN
COUNCIL AND IT HAS OFFENDED MANY
CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE
LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS.
WOULD YOU REVERSE THIS MOVE IF
YOU WERE INDEED TO BECOME PRIME
MINISTER?
>> WELL, I THINK THE MOST
IMPORTANT PART OF FIREARMS
LEGISLATION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
IT ADHERES AND UPHOLDS PUBLIC
SAFETY AND LAW-ABIDING OWNERS,
FIREARMS OWNERS ARE SOME OF THE
MOST DILIGENT INDIVIDUALS, THEY
TAKE LICENSING AND THEY MAKE
SURE THEIR FIREARMS ARE STORED
IN PROPER PLACES AND SO THE
REGULATION THAT CAME IN FORCE, I
BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN
ACTUALLY DEBATED AND SO IT
SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH
LEGISLATION AND WE WOULD HAVE
NOT HAD SOME OF THE
MISINFORMATION.
LAW-ABIDING FIREARMS OWNERS ARE
NOT WHAT I FEAR.
I FEAR CRIMINALS AND SO I WANT
TO SEE TOUGHER LAWS, ESPECIALLY
AIMED AT CRIMINALS AND GANGS AND
GETTING KIDS NOT INVOLVED IN
ILLICIT ACTIVITY AND I THINK
THAT THAT IS WHERE THE FOCUS
SHOULD BE ON AND SO I WOULD
REPEAL THAT BAN.
>> OKAY.
WE'LL DO A LAST QUESTION HERE ON
THE FLOOR, PLEASE.
>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT
THE TONE OF THE DEBATE LAST
NIGHT AS OPPOSED TO TONIGHT.
OVERALL, DO YOU THINK THERE'S A
BIG DIFFERENCE FROM YESTERDAY TO
TODAY?
>> WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
I FEEL THAT THERE WAS A
DIFFERENCE IN THE TONE OF THE
DEBATE.
I FEEL THAT THERE WAS MORE
PARTICIPATION TONIGHT OF ALL THE
CANDIDATES, AND I HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SAY A LOT MORE
BECAUSE I WAS SPEAKING IN MY
NATIVE TONGUE, ENGLISH, AND IT
WASN'T JUST HAVING A FEW HOURS
OF FRENCH LESSONS.
AND SO LAST NIGHT WAS A VERY
DIFFERENT NIGHT FOR ME AND
TONIGHT I'M HAPPY WITH MY
PERFORMANCE AND I THINK THAT
EVERYBODY DID WELL AND TREATED
EACH OTHER WITH A LOT OF RESPECT
TONIGHT.
>> I NOTICED QUITE A FEW TIMES
WE SAW Mr. O'TOOLE AND
Mr. MacKAY SAY OH, I AGREE
WITH Ms. LEWIS.
DID YOU FEEL LIKE THEY WERE
TRYING TO LURE YOUR --
>> NO, I THOUGHT I JUST MADE
VERY SUBSTANTIAL AND GOOD POINTS
AND THAT THEY WERE IN AGREEMENT
WITH THEM BECAUSE THE POINTS
WERE LANDING.
>> JUST AS A FLIP SIDE TO THAT,
I ALSO NOTICED DURING THE DEBATE
YOU MADE A POINT OF CHALLENGING
THEM.
ON SOME OF THEIR POLICIES.
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE
OF THE DEBATE IS.
THERE WERE ISSUES THAT I FELT
THAT THE VOTER BASE NEEDS TO
HEAR AND THAT I WAS VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT CERTAIN ISSUES
THAT THEY HAD AND I WANTED TO
GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO
PUBLICLY CLARIFY THEM BECAUSE I
HAD A LOT OF EMAILS ABOUT THOSE
TWO ISSUES THAT I RAISED.
EVEN LAST NIGHT I ASKED ONE
QUESTION IN THE FRENCH DEBATE
AND THAT WAS JUST ABOUT
CONSCIENCE RIGHTS AND THAT'S
BECAUSE A LOT OF MY SUPPORTERS
WERE ASKING ME ABOUT THIS ISSUE
ABOUT Mr. MacKAY AND SO IT
WAS DONE CLEARLY JUST TO CLARIFY
INFORMATION SO MY VOTERS, MY
SUPPORTERS HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING
OF WHERE THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS
STAND ON THOSE ISSUES.
>> THANK YOU, Dr. LEWIS.
>> WHAT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE
CONSCIENCE RIGHTS NOW?
>> WELL, I DIDN'T -- I ACTUALLY
RECEIVED FURTHER EMAILS SAYING
THAT IT WASN'T CLARIFIED THAT
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS JUST MPs
AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT
CABINET MINISTERS AND
UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T HAVE
THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK THAT
CLARIFICATION AGAIN TONIGHT
WHICH I WOULD HAVE DONE BECAUSE
THE VOTERS ARE ASKING ABOUT IT.
IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE
TO THEM.
>> THANK YOU, Dr. LEWIS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Vassy: THAT IS LESLYN
LEWIS.
SHE IS THE FINAL CANDIDATE FOR
THE CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP
RACE.
JUST STEPPING UP TO THE
MICROPHONE AS YOU CAN SEE.
WE HEARD FROM ALL FOUR OF THEM
THIS EVENING.
I WANT TO PULL UP A QUICK BIT OF
INFORMATION ABOUT Ms. LEWIS
BECAUSE WE DID THAT FOR ALL THE
OTHER CANDIDATES.
SHE'S 49 YEARS OLD, SHE'S A
LAWYER.
SHE'S THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN TO
RUN FROM THE TORY LEADERSHIP.
SHE DOES IDENTIFY AS SOCIALLY
CONSERVATIVE.
SHE AND DEREK SLOAN BOTH DO.
THAT DID NOT END UP FACTORS INTO
TONIGHT'S ENGLISH LANGUAGE
DEBATE TO THE DEGREE THAT IT
ENDED UP FACTORING INTO LAST
NIGHT'S FRENCH DEBATE.
AS YOU HEARD MY COLLEAGUE DID
ASK PETER MacKAY IF HE THOUGHT
THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER DEBATE
AND AT THIS POINT THERE DIDN'T
SEEM TO BE AN INDICATION THERE
WOULD BE.
THE CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP RACE
WILL TAKE PLACE OVER THE REST OF
THE SUMMER.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT
THAN OUTSIDE OF THIS PANDEMIC
THAN IT NORMAL BILY WOULD HAVE
BEEN.
EVERYONE WILL BE SENDING IN
MAIL-IN BALLOTS.
IT SHOULD BE THE END OF AUGUST
AN OUTCOME WILL BE DETERMINED.
THERE WILL BE NO CONVENTION.
WE'LL HAVE MORE COVERAGE
THROUGHOUT THE EVENING AND INTO
TOMORROW ON CBC NEWS NETWORK AND
ON OUR SHOW, "POWER & POLITICS."
A BIG THANKS TO OUR POWER PANEL.
HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
THIS
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>> Andrew: GOOD EVENING, I'M 
ANDREW CHANG.
ADRIENNE IS AWAY.
TONIGHT, NO APOLOGIES FROM THE 
LEADER OF THE NDP
