- People know you for He for She United Nations solidarity movement bringing men into
feminism. What's the latest with that program? What what can you tell us about where that is and your involvement with it?
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- What I would really love to focus on is there's a lot of missing data
that we have about women and girls and there's a lot of these gaps,
that I'd love to try and fill and and get some more information on because
when you can when you can show the data on something it makes something visible,
and you know it's very difficult to treat a problem that you think you just don't have.
— Like what kind of problem?
— Gosh, everything from
sexual violence to FGM [female genital mutilation] to
literacy rates to
everything really often because we often don't measure a lot of things that happen
within what we consider to be the private sphere. So this year I really want to focus on on
on
statistics and information and data and data collection
- What do you think it's like the primary blind spot that guys have about this movement, about feminism about doing the right thing
- I think the word is really difficult, because it seems to inherently suggest a
preferential treatment of the feminine over the masculine because it has the feminine in the word and
I think that's a real oversight and a misunderstanding
-Rather than just basic fairness
-Rather than just gender it just across just gender equality
Across the board this isn't girls are better than boys boys better than girls. This is just
everyone deserves a fair chance at
Whatever it is. I think also because a lot of prejudice and certainly misogyny is so normalized
It almost is like it's right under people's noses
So when you raise it
there's kind of like a
well, that's
"We've dealt with that
Women women got the vote ages ago like this isn't a thing" and and then when you start to kind of unravel it for people
They go
"oh I didn't think about that" or "I didn't think about this" and if I were to say it was a feminist
it would be a personal attack on you as a man as opposed to a
You know a patriarchal system, or you know something much larger than an individual
person. I think also that men think that they can't be feminists
That's a big misunderstanding some of the best feminists I know are men.
-Why do you think they feel they can't like that that's not masculine -Uh
yeah, that it's not masculine if you're feminist, that only women can be feminists because...
It's about again, It comes back down to that misunderstanding
to the word, ***, that´s feminist so i can't
-Yeah, so I can't touch that. I like to joke about the "man box"
which is like you can only be a man if you fulfill these certain qualities
and you stay within this square of like "you're in your man box and you're safe in the man box" and
something about for some men about going near feminism, is you to step out of the man box
-Because they know it's so fragile.  Its going to fall apart.
-It is fragile
 
Definitely. I mean you know and I really sense that and also
No one likes to feel
They feel there's blame attached to that word, and I think that's very difficult to deal with.
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