I think liberals have a very hard time understanding
their role in creating the market for Trump.
I think we have a view of ourselves that has
a bunch of blind spots in it in terms of how
we’re showing up.
I’ve gone all across the country, I got
a chance to go to West Virginia, the red parts
of Indiana and Michigan, even the red counties
in California, I’ve gone to the border,
and it gives you the chance to really kind
of see the world from the other side as a
liberal, as a progressive.
One of the things that I think that we don't
understand and that we have a hard time getting
our heads wrapped around is we often commit
the same mistakes with people in the red states
that we accuse conservatives of committing.
For instance, if you only listen to NPR, only
watch CNN and only read the New York Times
and say “I know what’s happening,” then
you’re committing the same kind of mistake
as somebody who only reads the Wall Street
Journal, watches FOXNews and listens to Rush
Limbaugh on the radio—which is not to say
that CNN is as far left as FOX is to the right,
it’s to say that there’s a particular
set of assumptions that you’re being reinforced
in, a particular set of ideas.
And so you might assume then that any rational
person would be outraged by what you’re
outraged by and even have the same information
that you have, but that’s just not true.
We can sometimes come across in ways that
are offensive to people who are in the red
states and who are conservative, which shocks
a lot of liberals.
“I’m not offensive and I’m not offending
anybody; I’m liberal I’m up for everybody!
I believe in diversity!
I believe in inclusion!”
But it sounds the same way.
A lot of times you challenge conservatives
and say, “Listen sometimes you guys sound
really racist.”
“Oh my God I’m not – I don’t have
a racist bone in my body.
You’re nuts!
Quit playing the race card on me!”
It’s the same basic thing.
Listen to what folks are saying.
I listen to liberals, they say—they basically
treat red states the same way that colonizers
treat Third World countries.
“These are ignorant backwaters in the south,
full of unwashed, uneducated dumb people,
and what we need to do is convert them to
our NPR religion and forcefeed them some kale
so they can actually rise to our level!
And once they rise to our level then they’ll
be smart enough to quit falling for dumb tricks
from their republican masters.”
And I’m like, do you hear yourself?
Do you hear how you sound?!
Nobody should follow anybody who thinks that
way about them.
Just like most people of color will never
follow a lot of the Republican Party as it
talks about people today “because you don’t
have any respect; you don’t understand what
you’re talking about; you’re looking down
on us and then telling us that ‘we’re
dumb if we don’t vote for you.’”
No, we’re dumb if we vote for you, and it’s
the same way in reverse.
Let me tell you the kind of stuff liberal
say all the time, that liberals think it's
perfectly reasonable, perfectly rational,
and it’s offensive and wrong.
Liberals say about conservatives, especially
low-income white conservatives who vote for
republicans, that these people are “voting
against their own economic self-interest and
it's because they're not well educated, if
they really understood what was going on they
would never vote for these people because
they’re voting against their economic self-interest,
which is stupid.”
Okay, let's take that apart.
Do you know the white people who consistently
vote against their own economic self-interest?
I'll tell you who: rich, white liberals who
vote for tax increases to pay for programs
their kids will never use!
They’re voting against their economic self-interest!
We don’t think that makes them ignorant,
stupid doofs—we think that makes them awesome!
“That’s the best thing about rich white
liberals, is that they put their values over
their money.
Their values are more important than their
money.
They don’t just care about money, they care
about their values.”
…Interesting.
Huh.
So if you put your values over your money
you are a noble person, you’re not an idiot,
you’re a noble person.
Well that low-income white guy who has been
voting for Republicans the whole time will
tell you “well guess what?
I'm putting my values over money and I’m
telling you I don’t want America’s government
to go and rob some rich family and take their
money and bring it over to my house and try
to bribe me!
I don’t want America’s government to rob
a rich family and use the money to try to
bribe me to be dependent on them or anybody
else!
I don't want America's government to take
that money and undermine my parenting choices.
If my kids are so stupid they drop out of
school, get on drugs and have a bunch of babies,
I don't want the government to bail them out.
Let them learn a tough lesson that that's
a dumb way to live your life.
I'm putting my values of independence and
common sense over whatever money the government
might be able to give me.
Even if it hurts me economically, my values
are more important.”
Now listen, I would disagree with that guy.
Is that a great strategy for building a middle-class?
I disagree.
But I wouldn’t say the guy is stupid.
I can disagree without disrespecting.
See, we don’t have to agree, in fact the
whole point of democracy is you get to disagree!
Dictatorship, you can’t disagree.
Democracy, you get to disagree.
That’s called freedom.
We like that.
That’s good.
But you don’t have to disrespect, and you
shouldn’t disregard.
And these are the kinds of mistakes that liberals
make every day, and you see them on TV, you
hear them on the radio, you see them, and
if you are that red state voter the one thing
you know is “these people hold me in contempt.
They look down on me, they don’t respect
me, they don’t understand me, and now I
can’t vote for them.”
And that’s a big part of what’s going
on.
We are not as good as we think we are with
this inclusion thing, with this understanding
thing, with this empathy thing.
A lot of us grew up in neighborhoods or in
circumstances where the straight white male
had power and was abusing that power, and
so we formed an opposition to that abuse of
power.
And it’s very hard for us to actually be
able to go on the other side and say “wait,
there may be some situational circumstances
where maybe we’ve got some power that we
aren’t using fairly, where we may have come
to some assumptions or some conclusions or
have some prejudices that in some circumstances
we may be the ones who are mistreating people
or misunderstanding people.”
That’s tough, because when you've been in
that one down situation and been mistreated
for so long and you still are being mistreated—as
a woman, as a person of color, as an LGBT—and
you're still being triggered every day and
you're still being re-traumatized every day;
for somebody to say “Yes, and the truth
is messy.
There may be some situations where maybe you’re
reenacting some of the very things that you
would never want and you may be showing some
prejudices, even though you’ve been a victim
of prejudice your whole life.”
Nobody wants to hear that, but that’s a
part of what’s happening.
And so, without ever relaxing our relentless
fight for justice for the people who have
been traditionally left out we also have to
start opening our heart a little bit more
and our ears a little bit more for people
who may now newly be feeling left out, either
because of their economic situation—it’s
stagnant or declining—or maybe because they
just don’t fit in to the new arrangement
the way they used to and so they may have
some hurts, they may have some ouchies, they
may have some need for a hug and some understanding.
And that's the next level.
Once we do that we’ll be fine.
I believe we can peel off enough people who
may have voted for Trump (or who may have
stayed home) that we’ll be alright.
But if we’re not willing to look in the
mirror, we’re going to end up where we’re
headed, and where we’re headed is very bad.
——
I think the fundamental thing that I would
say to conservatives is that it appears that
what we used to call conservatism has been
replaced by something else, and a very sneaky
set of maneuvers has given us not true conservatism
but just anti-liberalism, and that that is
a fundamental problem.
A conservative would defend America from all
enemies, foreign and domestic, including any
allegation that a foreign power tried to mess
with our democracy.
We would expect our conservative friends to
be at the forefront of defending American
democracy, but that is no longer kosher because
it would put you in bed with the liberals
who are screaming about Russian interference.
“And so I’m not going to defend the country
because I’ve got to stay anti-liberal,”
they’ve got to be against the liberals.
There are so many conservative opportunities
in unlikely communities, so many opportunities
for conservatives to make real progress in
unlikely communities, but for some reason
they don’t do it.
Who is more passionate about marriage and
adoption than Republicans (who are pro-family
and anti-abortion) and lesbian and gay couples
(who want to get married and adopt kids)?
So the two biggest champions of marriage and
adoption don’t work together because Republicans
don’t see their ally—they literally don’t
see that the LGBT community is actually the
ONE community in America whose marriage rates
are going up, as opposed to all the rest of
us, and who understand the need for adoption
and fight for it.
The Muslim community should be embraced and
celebrated by conservatives, because look
at the work ethic, look at the low-level divorce
rate, look at the incredible premium on entrepreneurship
and education, look at the commitment to family
and faith.
The Muslim community should be ripe picking
for conservatives, but instead they’re Al
Qaeda, they’re all lumped into the most
negative category.
The same with African Americans.
The two strongest institutions in the black
community?
Hip-hop and the church.
Churchgoers?
That’s some Republican stuff.
Mostly Democrats are on a secular thing, or
“spiritual but not religious.”
African-Americans incredibly strong churchgoers.
Hip-hop?
Nobody is rapping about being on welfare,
it’s about entrepreneurship, it’s about
material access, and that’s very, very consistent
with republican values.
But the only thing you hear about black folks
on a lot of the conservative TV stuff is all
negative.
There’s no celebration of our religiosity
or our entrepreneurial drive, it’s just
all “look at these lazy criminals.”
Well, when you don’t find a way to connect
with African-Americans, Muslims, LGBT stuff,
the stuff you actually agree on?
That’s when people start asking tough questions
about “what is this?”
Conservatism?
It seems to be marbled with a lot of stuff
that has nothing to do with conservative ideas:
Some anxieties, some maybe bigotries, some
antagonisms, maybe some white solidarity identity
politics or white grievance politics.
Something else is in the batter than just
conservative ideas, because conservative ideas
can play very well across the demographic
spectrum.
And so I don't want Republicans to stop being
Republicans.
I think I've never seen a bird fly with only
a left wing or only a right wing, a bird needs
two wings to fly, so you need conservatives,
you need liberals.
But we need better conservatives.
We need conservatives who really are willing
to put the country first, who not only just
saying, “Well I'm not prejudiced, I would've
never...”
Well don't just say it!
Then show it, do it.
You’re concerned about what’s going on
in Chicago and you want to say “look at
those black people killing each other.”
No: those are Americans dying in Chicago.
“Police are killing black people.”
No, police are killing unarmed Americans.
American police are killing unarmed Americans.
Show up.
Go to the funerals.
Talk to the grandmas.
Show how your conservative ideas can help.
Jack Kemp did that.
I haven’t seen a Jack Kemp Republican since
he died.
So you asked the question, what I say to conservatives?
I would say: “stay conservative.”
I'm going to stay liberal.
We can constructively disagree and make the
country better.
I'm going to try to make the Democrats better,
but you’ve got to try to make Republicans
better.
It's not that you're conservative, it’s
that you’ve now become—you’ve curdled
into something that’s more anti-liberal
than actually for ideals and ideas that can
appeal to everybody and bring the country
together.
Get back to that and we’ll be better off.
