 >> Adrienne: GOOD EVENING.
 I'M ADRIENNE ARSENAULT.
 ANDREW IS OFF.
 TONIGHT, THE PRIME MINISTER IN 
 THE HOT SEAT. 
 >> HOW MUCH?
 >> Prime Minister Justin 
 Trudeau: MY MOTHER HAS -- 
 >> THE DOLLAR FIGURE.
 THE DOLLAR FIGURE, PRIME 
 MINISTER?
 >> Adrienne: JUSTIN TRUDEAU 
 TESTIFIES BEFORE THE CABINET ON
 THE WE CHARITY CONTROVERSY.
 THE TESTIMONY, AND WHAT IT ALL 
 MEANS.
 CHANTELL, ANDREW, AND ALTHIA 
 WERE WATCHING, AND THEY'LL GIVE
 US THEIR TAKE.
 >>> ONTARIO AND MANITOBA REVEAL
 THEIR PLANS FOR BACK TO SCHOOL,
 BUT THE CONCERNS HAVEN'T GONE 
 AWAY.
 >>> AND HOW THIS MISSION TO 
 MARS WILL BRING US A CLEARER 
 LOOK AT THE RED PLANET.
 >> ULTIMATELY, WE'RE LOOKING 
 FOR EVIDENCE OF LIFE.
 >> Adrienne: THIS IS "THE 
 NATIONAL."
 [*]
 >> Adrienne: FOR ABOUT 1.5 
 HOURS TODAY, PRIME MINISTER 
 JUSTIN TRUDEAU WAS QUESTIONED, 
 FORCED TO DEFEND HIMSELF, HIS 
 GOVERNMENT, AND THE DECISION TO
 STRIKE A GOVERNMENT DEAL WITH 
 WE CHARITY WHICH HAS TIES TO 
 HIS OWN FAMILY.
 IN A RARE MOVE, HE APPEARED 
 BEFORE THE HOUSE OF COMMONS 
 FINANCE COMMITTEE, AS DID HIS 
 CHIEF OF STAFF, INSISTING THAT 
 WHILE HE SHOULD HAVE RECUSED 
 HIMSELF FROM DISCUSSIONS ON THE
 DECISION, THERE WAS NO CONFLICT
 OF INTEREST.
 TRUDEAU'S APPEARANCE WAS HEATED
 AT TIMES, AND OUT OF IT, SOME 
 NEW INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE 
 PRIME MINISTER SAYS HE KNEW, 
 AND WHEN.
 DAVID COCHRANE TAKES US THROUGH
 IT ALL.
 >> Reporter: IN A TIME WHEN 
 NEARLY EVERYONE IS WEARING A 
 MASK, THE PRIME MINISTER 
 INSISTS HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE.
 >> Prime Minister Justin 
 Trudeau: WE CHARITY RECEIVED NO
 PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, NOT 
 FROM ME, NOT FROM ANYONE ELSE.
 THE PUBLIC SERVICE RECOMMENDED 
 WE CHARITY, AND I DID 
 ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO INFLUENCE
 THAT RECOMMENDATION.
 >> Reporter: FAR FROM SPEEDING 
 IT ALONG, TRUDEAU SAYS HE 
 SLOWED THINGS DOWN, TOLD ON MAY
 8 THAT WE WAS THE ONLY CHOICE 
 TO RUN THE PROGRAMME, HE ASKED 
 THE CIVIL SERVICE TO TAKE 
 ANOTHER LOOK.
 >> Prime Minister Justin 
 Trudeau: I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
 LET'S PUT THE BRAKES ON IT.
 LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE 
 ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING RIGHT 
 BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE 
 QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE 
 CONNECTIONS WITH MY FAMILY ON 
 THIS.
 >> Reporter: TWO WEEKS LATER, 
 HE SAYS THE ADVICE FROM CIVIL 
 SERVANTS DIDN'T CHANGE.
 WE HAD TO RUN THE PROGRAMME OR 
 THERE WOULD BE NO PROGRAMME.
 >> CABINET IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 
 DECISIONS, NOT THE PUBLIC 
 SERVICE.
 A MAJOR MISTAKE WAS MADE.
 SOMEONE IN CABINET SHOULD BE 
 HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
 WHICH MINISTER WILL YOU FIRE?
 >> Reporter: THE OPPOSITION WAS
 LESS INTERESTED IN THE OFFENSE 
 THAN THE CONSEQUENCES, PRESSING
 TRUDEAU ON THE CONDUCT OF HIS 
 MINISTERS?
 >> HOW MANY TIMES WOULD ONE OF 
 YOUR MINISTERS NEED TO BE FOUND
 GUILTY OF BREAKING THE CONFLICT
 OF INTEREST ACCOUNT FOR YOU TO 
 FIRE THEM?
 >> Reporter: ON HOW MUCH MONEY 
 WE PAID HIS FAMILY. 
 >> YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOUR
 FAMILY HAS RECEIVED FROM THIS 
 ORGANIZATION WHICH YOU TRIED TO
 GIVE $500 MILLION?
 REALLY?
 >> Prime Minister Justin 
 Trudeau: CAN I ANSWER, M?.
 >> YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED YET, 
 BUT I'LL GIVE YOU THE TIME.
 >> AFTER YOU BECAME PRIME 
 MINISTER, THEY PUT ON THE 
 STADIUM CIRCUIT.
 THEY HIRED YOUR FAMILY TO THE 
 TUNE OF $500,000.
 >> Prime Minister Justin 
 Trudeau: I KNEW THERE WOULD BE 
 QUESTIONS ASKED BECAUSE OF THE 
 LINKS OF THE FAMILY, BUT IN NO 
 WAY WAS THIS BENEFITING MY 
 MOTHER OR BROTHER, CREATING A 
 GRANT PROGRAMME FOR STUDENTS TO
 VOLUNTEER IN THEIR COMMUNITIES 
 RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
 >> Reporter: FOR 90 MINUTES, 
 TRUDEAU WAS ADAMANT HIS 
 GOVERNMENT DID NOTHING IMPROVE.
 THERE WAS NO REAL CONFLICT OF 
 INTEREST, JUST A PERCEIVED ONE 
 THAT HE ADEQUATELY FAILED TO 
 MANAGE.
 THE PRIME MINISTER SAYS THIS 
 WAS A CHOICE BETWEEN WE OR 
 NOTHING.
 THEY CHOSE WE, AND SO FAR, 
 STUDENT VOLUNTEERS HAVE 
 NOTHING.
 DAVID COCHRANE, CBC NEWS, 
 OTTAWA.
 >> Adrienne: ALL RIGHT.
 SO LET'S BRING IN CHIEF 
 POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT 
 ROSEMARY BARTON FOR THIS.
 ROSY, SUCH A LONG DAY.
 WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU IN THIS?
 >> Rosemary: WELL, ADRIENNE, 
 WITH THE PRIME MINISTER, THERE 
 IS POTENTIALLY A BLIND SPOT 
 THAT HE IS INCREASINGLY AWARE 
 OF, WHEN HE FIRST PERCEIVED 
 THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM BY 
 CHOOSING THE WE CHARITY AND 
 ASKING THE CABINET TO DO MORE 
 DUE DILIGENCE BUT THEN CHOOSING
 TO GO AHEAD WITH THE PROBLEM 
 BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OTHER 
 OPTION PRESENTED.
 IT'S INTERESTING HE CONTINUES 
 TO HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS BLIND
 SPOT IN TERMS OF HIS OWN 
 VULNERABILITIES AND POTENTIAL 
 CONFLICTS.
 IT'S INTERESTING THAT HE'S SORT
 OF AWARE OF THEM BUT CAN'T HELP
 HIMSELF.
 >> Adrienne: AND NOW AFTER ALL 
 THE BUILD-UP IS OVER, WHAT 
 HAPPENS?
 >> Rosemary: WELL, THE 
 CONSERVATIVE PARTIES ARE GOING 
 TO TRY TO KEEP THIS ALIVE, GET 
 FURTHER TESTIMONY FROM FURTHER 
 WITNESSES IN FRONT OF 
 COMMITTEE.
 THE FURTHER DRIP, DRIP, DRIP 
 WILL CONTINUE, THEY HOPE, TO DO
 DAMAGE AND TO THE GOVERNMENT.
 THE ETHICS COMMISSIONER 
 CONTINUES HIS INVESTIGATION.
 THE PRIME MINISTER IS GOING TO 
 TAKE A COUPLE OF DOWN WEEKS.
 HE'S GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF 
 WEEKS OF HOLIDAY, SO THAT WILL 
 KIND OF TAKE HIM OUT OF THE 
 SPOTLIGHT, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE,
 THE OPPOSITION PARTIES ARE 
 LOOKING FOR WAYS TO KEEP THE 
 PRESSURE ON BOTH THE FINANCE 
 MINISTER AND THE PRIME 
 MINISTER, AND THEY'RE NOT 
 LETTING UP. 
 >> Adrienne: AND THEY'LL TALK 
 MORE ABOUT THAT ON "AT ISSUE."
 >>> ONTARIO HAS UNVEILED ITS 
 PLAN TO OPEN SCHOOLS.
 AFTER ALMOST SIX MONTHS, 
 STUDENTS WILL RETURN TO CLASSES
 IN SEPTEMBER.
 THOM
 THOMAS DAIGLE LOOKS AT THE 
 PLAN.
 >> Reporter: SO MUCH FOR 
 CAREFREE SUMMER FUN, WHEN EVEN 
 IN JULY, ALL THE TALK IS ABOUT 
 BACK TO SCHOOL, AND NOT TO 
 TENSION THAT VIRUS. 
 >> EVERYBODY IS NERVOUS ABOUT 
 SENDING THE KIDS BACK. 
 >> I DON'T WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL
 BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL SAFE. 
 >> Reporter: FOR KIDS IN 
 ONTARIO, THE COUNT DOWN TO THE 
 CLASSROOM HAS NOW BEGUN, WITH 
 ELEMENTARY STUDENTS GOING BACK 
 FULL-TIME FOR IN-PERSON 
 LEARNING IN SEPTEMBER.
 PREMIER DOUG FORD AND HIS 
 GOVERNMENT GAVE A TASTE OF WHAT
 TO EXPECT. 
 >> YOU CAN DROP YOUR CHILD OFF 
 AT SCHOOL, KNOWING THAT EVERY 
 POSSIBLE MEASURE IS BEING TAKEN
 TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE. 
 >> Reporter: STUDENTS HAD TO 
 BE -- ARE TO BE KEPT AT LEAST 
 ONE METRE APART, LIMITED TO 
 WHAT'S CALLED COHORTS TO LIMIT 
 EXPOSURE, AND PARENTS WILL BE 
 ALLOWED TO KEEP KIDS AT HOME IF
 THEY CHOOSE.
 THE PLAN LEAVES PARENTS 
 DOUBTFUL. 
 >> WE HAVE SOME CLASSROOMS WITH
 30 STUDENTS, AND TO SAY ONE 
 METRE APART, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
 GRO GROCERY STORES, BARS, AND 
 GYMS IN THIS PROVINCE HAVE MORE
 SAFETY PROTOCOLS IN PLACE THAN 
 OUR CLASSROOMS WILL COME 
 SEPTEMBER.
 >> Reporter: AS OF GRADE 9, IT 
 GETS MORE COMPLICATED, WITH 
 MANY SECONDARY SCHOOLS 
 SPLITTING TIME BETWEEN IN-CLASS
 INSTRUCTION AND VIRTUAL 
 LEARNING, AND EVERYONE REQUIRED
 TO SELF-MONITOR FOR COVID-19 
 SYMPTOMS. 
 >> THE WORST FEAR IS THAT THERE
 WILL BE THE SUDDEN SPIKE, AND A
 LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING AT 
 ONCE: FLU SEASON, COVID-19 
 STARTS TO POP UP IN 
 SURVEILLANCE, AND THEN KIDS 
 START TO GET SICK.
 >> Reporter: STUDENTS GRADE 3 
 AND UNDER WON'T HAVE TO WEAR A 
 MASK.
 THE OLDER ONES WILL, BUT SOME 
 MAY OPT OUT ALTOGETHER. 
 >> I'D RATHER BE SAFE THAN 
 SORRY.
 IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO, DON'T 
 GO. 
 >> Reporter: FAMILIES HAVE 
 ABOUT A MONTH TO DECIDE, AND A 
 LOT CAN HAPPEN IN THAT TIME.
 THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS.
 >> Adrienne: HIGH SCHOOL
 >> Adrienne: -- THE PROVINCE 
 WILL USE RISK LEVELS TO DECIDE 
 IF AND WHEN THAT SHOULD CHANGE.
 MASKS WON'T BE REQUIRED, BUT 
 THEY WILL BE ALLOWED.
 >>> WHILE ONTARIO ENJOYS A LULL
 IN THE NUMBER OF CASES, AND 
 QUEBEC'S YOU NUMBERS REMAIN STUDY, 
 THE RISE IN CASES IS TRENDING 
 WEST.
 ONTARIO, QUEBEC, NOW NEARLY 40%
 OF CANADA'S NEW COVID-19 CASES 
 COME FROM THE WEST.
 BRIER STEWART SHOWS US IN THE 
 WEST, SOME OF THOSE CASES CAN 
 BE TRACKED TO PEOPLE WHO TOOK 
 LIBERTIES WITH THE VIRUS, JUST 
 WAITING FOR A CHANCE TO MINGLE.
 >> Reporter: A SWELTERING DAY 
 AMONG KELOWNA'S WATERFRONT, 
 PEOPLE WAITING TO GET INTO THE 
 WATERFRONT PATIOS.
 >> IF YOU ARE HEALTHY AND 
 COMING TO VISIT, I THINK IT'S 
 OKAY, AND IF NOT, STAY HOME. 
 >> AS LONG AS EVERYONE'S 
 PRACTICING SAFE SOCIAL 
 DISTANCING AND BEING SAFE, I 
 MEAN, LIFE STILL HAS TO GO 
 FORWARD. 
 >> Reporter: MORE THAN 125 
 CASES HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO 
 KELOWNA, BUT THERE ARE LIKELY 
 MORE.
 THE TOTAL DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY 
 ALBERTANS WHO TESTED POSITIVE 
 FOR COVID-19 AFTER RETURNING 
 HOME FROM VISITING THE CITY. 
 >> CANADA DAY, A LOT OF SOCIAL 
 DISTANCING -- NOT. 
 >> Reporter: THE OUTBREAK BEGAN
 AROUND THE JULY LONG WEEKEND, 
 AND HEALTH OFFICIALS SAY IT'S 
 BEEN DRIVEN BY LARGE 
 GATHERINGS.
 IT'S BEEN DRIVEN BY THE 
 PROSPECTIVE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON
 BOATS AND IN RESORTS. 
 >> WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO TAKE 
 THEIR TIME AND EXPLORE MAYBE A 
 LITTLE BIT MORE SLOWER, A 
 LITTLE BIT MORE SAFELY THIS 
 TIME. 
 >> Reporter: THE CITY OF 
 KELOWNA WILL BE SENDING OUT 
 STAFF TO BEACHES AND PARKS, 
 REMINDING PEOPLE TO PHYSICALLY 
 DISTANCE, AND SOME BUSINESSES 
 HAVE STEPPED UP PRECAUTIONS.
 AFTER A STAFF MEMBER TESTED 
 POSITIVE, THIS PUB SHUTDOWN FOR
 TWO DAYS, AND THE OWNERS 
 IMPLEMENTED EVEN MORE CHANGES. 
 >> ALL OF OUR TEAM HAS OPTED TO
 WORK SOLELY WITH US AND NOT AT 
 OTHER LOCATIONS TO TIGHTEN THE 
 BUBBLE, KEEP IT SMALLER.
 EVERYONE NEEDS TO DO THEIR 
 PART. 
 >> Reporter: BECAUSE IT'S NOT 
 ABOUT PROTECTING EVERYONE'S 
 HEALTH, BUT IT IS A 
 TOURISM-FUELLED ECONOMY.
 BRIER STEWART, CBC NEWS, 
 VANCOUVER.
 >> Adrienne: AND STILL IN B.C.,
 THE PROVINCE HAS RESTRICTED 
 TRIPS TO HAIDA GUAI.
 TRAVEL TO THE ISLANDS WILL ONLY
 BE ALLOWED FOR ESSENTIAL 
 SERVICES THAT WILL BE DECIDED 
 BY THE GOVERNMENT.
 >>> NEW BRUNSWICK WILL EXPAND 
 ITS TRAVEL BUBBLE TO INCLUDE 
 TWO BORDER COMMUNITIES STARTING
 THIS SATURDAY.
 RESIDENTS OF THOSE COMMUNITIES 
 WILL HAVE TO REGISTER TO MAKE 
 DAY TRIPS, BUT FOR NOW, THEY 
 WILL NOT HAVE TO SELF-ISOLATE.
 NEW BRUNSWICK ENTERS ITS TENTH 
 DAY OF NO NEW CASES, AND THERE 
 WERE NO CASES ANYWHERE IN THE 
 ATLANTIC BUBBLE TODAY.
 >>> AND CANADA HAS TIGHTENED 
 ITS BORDER CROSSINGS FOR PEOPLE
 COMING FROM THE UNITED STATES 
 TRAVELING TO CANADA.
 >>> SO OFTEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT 
 THE COVID-19 CASELOAD, WE'RE 
 LOOKING AT NEW PLACES, BUT 
 TORONTO IS BREAKING DOWN THE 
 INFECTION NUMBERS BY FACES, AND
 AS FARRAH MERALI EXPLAINS, 
 THOSE FACES ARE OVERWHELMINGLY 
 PEOPLE OF COLOUR. 
 >> CHERYL PACKS UP FACE MASKS 
 TO DISTRIBUTE TO HER COMMUNITY.
 THIS ORGANIZATION SERVES A 
 POPULATION THAT'S ONE OF THE 
 HARDEST HIT BY COVID-19 IN THE 
 ENTIRE CITY.
 MANY OF HER CLIENTS ARE PEOPLE 
 OF COLOUR.
 TODAY, NEW DATA PAINTS A STARK 
 PICTURE OF JUST HOW 
 DISPROPORTIONATELY THEY ARE 
 GETTING INFECTED. 
 >> WE NEED TO ADDRESS THESE 
 HEALTH INEQUITIES.
 >> Reporter: PEOPLE OF COLOUR 
 MAKEUP 80% OF TORONTO'S CASES, 
 BUT THEY ONLY MAKEUP 50% OF THE
 POPULATION.
 ARAB, MIDDLE EASTERN, AND WEST 
 ASIAN PEOPLE MAKEUP 11% OF THE 
 CASES WHEN THEY'RE JUST 4% OF 
 THE POPULATION.
 THE DATA ALSO SHOWS IN MORE 
 THAN HALF OF REPORTED CASES, 
 PEOPLE LIVE IN LOW INCOME 
 HOUSEHOLDS. 
 >> SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT 
 COVID WOULD BE THE GREAT 
 EQUALIZER, BUT IT'S NOT THE 
 GREAT EQUALIZER.
 IT ACTUALLY EXACERBATES SHORT 
 COMINGS IN COMMUNITIES.
 ALL OF THESE THINGS LEAD TO 
 WORSE HEALTH AND CIRCUMSTANCES,
 AND COVID LOVES THOSE THINGS.
 >> Reporter: TORONTO IS ONE OF 
 THE FEW JURISDICTIONS IN THE 
 COUNTRY TO COLLECT RACE-BASED 
 DATA, BUT SOME ARE PUSHING FOR 
 IT TO BE COLLECTED ACROSS THE 
 COUNTRY. 
 >> I MUST SAY THAT CANADA HAS 
 CAUSED SOME DEATHS BY NOT DOING
 THIS.
 I AM ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT WE 
 FAILED TO PROTECT PEOPLE. 
 >> Reporter: BACK AT THE 
 CENTRE. 
 >> THE PEOPLE ARE GETTING TIRED
 OF SEEING THESE NUMBERS, SEEING
 THE DIRE STATISTICS THAT THEY 
 ARE MORE AT RISK WITHOUT ANY 
 CLEAR PLAN AS TO HOW IT WILL BE
 ADDRESSED BY OUR GOVERNMENT. 
 >> Reporter: THE HOPE HERE IS 
 FOR MORE HELP, AND FAST.
 FARRAH MERALI, CBC NEWS, 
 TORONTO.
 >> Adrienne: WE KNOW LONG-TERM 
 CARE HOMES HAVE ALSO BEEN HIT 
 VERY HARD BY COVID-19.
 IN EDMONTON, FIVE MORE 
 RESIDENTS HAVE DIED AT ONE 
 FACILITY BATTLING AN OUTBREAK.
 THAT ADDS UP TO 21 DEATHS AT 
 THE GOOD SAMARITAN SOUTH GATE 
 CARE CENTRE.
 THERE ARE CURRENTLY 54 ACTIVE 
 CASES AMONG ABOUT 180 
 RESIDENTS, AND 16 STAFF MEMBERS
 ARE INFECTED, TOO.
 COVID-19 PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON 
 LONG-TERM CARE HOMES, BUT 
 DEFICIENCIES IN THESE TYPES OF 
 FACILITIES GO BACK DECADES.
 ELIZABETH WETTLAUFER'S KILLING 
 PROVIDED A DETAILED REPORT, AND
 THOSE EXACERBATIONS HAS MADE 
 THE COVID CRISIS WORK. 
 >> THE OUTBREAK HIGHLIGHTED THE
 CRACKS IN THE SYSTEM THAT HAS 
 BEEN PRESENT FOR YEAR. 
 >> Reporter: THE DAY AFTER 
 ANNOUNCING AN ENQUIRY INTO THE 
 TRAGEDY OF COVID IN NURSING 
 HOMES, THE PROVINCE IS 
 ANNOUNCING ITS RESPONSE TO THE 
 LAST TRAGEDY. 
 >> I DON'T THINK THERE'LL EVER 
 BE ANY TRUE JUSTICE. 
 >> Reporter: JOHN MATHISON'S 
 MOTHER WAS KILLED BY ELIZABETH 
 WETTLAUFER, WHO, DESPITE SIGNS,
 MOVED FROM HOME TO HOME TO 
 HOME, OVERDOSING PATIENTS.
 A REPORT LAID BARE A SERIES OF 
 DEFICIENCIES, INCLUDING HOMES 
 STRETCHED TO THE LIMIT. 
 >> THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO 
 REALIZE THEY CAN'T TAKE AWAY 
 MONEY FROM THESE HOMES AND THEN
 EXPECT THINGS TO BE BETTER. 
 >> Reporter: THE FORD 
 GOVERNMENT SAYS IT'S 
 IMPLEMENTED A THIRD OF THE 
 COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, 
 BUT CRITICS SAY THEY HAVEN'T 
 COMMITTED TO A THIRD MORE 
 STAFFING IN CARE HOMES. 
 >> UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S A LOT
 OF PIECES THAT SEEM TO BE 
 MISSING, EVEN RIGHT NOW.
 >> Reporter: ELDER ADVOCATES 
 SAY ACTION THIS HAVE BEEN TAKEN
 OVER THE LAST YEAR. 
 >> IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE.
 ANY OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP 
 DURING THE PANDEMIC AT THE 
 BEGINNING THAT CAUSED THOSE 
 DEATHS. 
 >> Reporter: WOULD YOU WANT TO 
 BE IN LONG-TERM CARE?
 >> NO.
 TAKE ME OUT BACK AND SHOOT ME 
 FIRST.
 >> Reporter: IN SPITE OF IT 
 ALL, JOHN AND PAT FEEL THEY 
 MUST REMAIN HOPEFUL, MORE AWARE
 THAN MOST OF THE CONSEQUENCES 
 OF FAILURE.
 DAVID COMMON, CBC NEWS, 
 PETERBOROUGH, ONTARIO.
 >> Adrienne: IN ONTARIO, A 
 MAJOR HIT TO THE OIL INDUSTRY.
 FRENCH COMPANY TOTALE SAYS IT'S
 WRITING OFF MORE THAN $9 
 BILLION IN THE OILSANDS 
 INDUSTRY.
 >>> AND THE PANDEMIC HAS HIT 
 ECONOMIES WORLDWIDE, BUT NOW, 
 WE NOW JUST HOW BADLY CANADA'S 
 BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER HAS 
 BEEN HURT.
 BETWEEN APRIL AND JUNE, THE 
 U.S. GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT 
 CONTRACTED BY AN ANNUAL RATE OF
 NEARLY A THIRD, BLOWING PAST 
 THE PREVIOUS RECORD SET NEARLY 
 60 YEARS AGO, AND AS KATIE 
 SIMPSON TELLS US, THAT HAS THE 
 PRESIDENT WHO EXPECTED THE 
 ECONOMY TO CARRY HIM INTO A 
 SECOND TERM JUST TRYING TO 
 CHANGE THE CONVERSATION.
 >> Reporter: THIS IS A 
 PRESIDENT WHO KNOWS HOW TO GET 
 ATTENTION, AND ON A DAY WHEN 
 BAD ECONOMIC NEWS WAS EXPECTED 
 TO BE FRONT AND CENTRE, HE 
 STEERED THE CONVERSATION IN A 
 DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
 >> President Donald Trump: DO I
 WANT TO SEE A DATE CHANGE?
 NO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE A 
 CROOKED ELECTION.
 THIS ELECTION WILL BE THE MOST 
 RIGGED ELECTION IN HISTORY IF 
 THAT HAPPENS.
 >> Reporter: DONALD TRUMP 
 WALKED BACK HIS EARLIER 
 SUGGESTION THE ELECTION DATE 
 POSSIBLY BE MOVED.
 TWEETING A BASELESS CLAIM ABOUT
 VOTER FRAUD, HE TWEETED 
 DELAYING THE ELECTION UNTIL 
 PEOPLE CAN SAFELY COPE AND 
 VOTE.
 TRUMP'S REPUBLICAN ALLIES 
 QUICKLY REJECTED THE PITCH, 
 WHICH MEANS IT'S DEAD IN A YEAR
 OF ELECTION SINCE IT REQUIRES 
 TWO THIRDS OF CONGRESS.
 SO WHY MIGHT TRUMP HAVE MUSED 
 ABOUT THIS NOW?
 NEW NUMBERS RELEASED 16 MINUTES
 BEFORE HIS TWEET SHOWED THE 
 U.S. ECONOMY SHRINKING AT A 
 HISTORIC RATE BECAUSE OF THE 
 PANDEMIC, WHICH HAS BADLY HURT 
 HIS POPULARITY. 
 >> THERE ARE THOSE IN POWER WHO
 ARE DOING THEIR DARNEDEST TO 
 DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM VOTING.
 >> Reporter: IT IS SUCH A 
 CONCERN FOR THE FORMER 
 PRESIDENT, BARACK OBAMA USED 
 HIS EULOGY OF CIVIL RIGHTS ICON
 JOHN LEWIS TO DELIVER A RARE 
 REBUKE OF THE CURRENT 
 ADMINISTRATION'S TACTICS. 
 >> WE CAN WITNESS OUR FEDERAL 
 GOVERNMENT SENDING AGENTS TO 
 USE TEAR GAS AND BATONS AGAINST
 PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS.
 >> Reporter: DEMOCRATIC 
 CHALLENGER JOE BIDEN HAD 
 PREDICTED TRUMP TO TRY TO KICK 
 THE ELECTION DATE DOWN THE 
 ROAD.
 AT THE TIME, A TRUMP OFFICIAL 
 SAID THAT IT WAS A PLOY, AND 
 TRUMP WOULD NOT DO SO.
 KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS, 
 TORONTO.
 >> WE LIVE IN A BETTER AND MORE
 NOBLE COUNTRY TODAY BECAUSE OF 
 HIS JOHN LEWIS AND HIS ABIDING 
 FAITH IN THE POWER OF GOD, IN 
 THE POWER OF DEMOCRACY, AND IN 
 THE POWER OF LOVE TO LIFT US 
 ALL TO A HIGHER GROUND. 
 >> I JUST LOVED HIM, I ALWAYS 
 WILL, AND I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT 
 HE STAYED TRUE TO FORM.
 HE'S GONE UP YONDER AND LEFT US
 WITH MARCHING ORDERS.
 I SUGGEST WE SALUTE, SUIT UP, 
 AND MARCH ON.
 >> GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
 GOD BLESS AMERICA, AND GOD 
 BLESS THE MAN WHO PULLED US 
 CLOSER TO HIS PROMISE.
 >> Adrienne: AND DONALD TRUMP 
 SUPPORTER HERMAN CAIN HAS DIED 
 FROM A COVID-19 INFECTION.
 HE ROSE TO FAME AS A CANDIDATE 
 FOR THE 2008 ELECTION.
 LIKE TRUMP, CAIN OFTEN UNDER 
 PLAYED THE VIRUS' IMPACT.
 CAIN SAT UNMASKED AT A TRUMP 
 RALLY IN OKLAHOMA WHICH THE 
 GOVERNMENT LATER LINKED TO A 
 RISE IN INFECTIONS.
 >> Adrienne: IS THERE LIFE ON 
 MARS?
 UP NEXT, THE CHALLENGES FOR 
 NASA'S MISSION TO THE RED 
 PLANET.
 >>> AND TENSE EXCHANGES AS THE 
 PRIME MINISTER IS GRILLED ABOUT
 THE WE CONTROVERSY. 
 >> IS THAT CONFLICT OF 
 INTEREST, YES OR NO?
 >> Prime Minister Justin 
 Trudeau: FROM THE VERY FIRST, 
 YOU WERE UNFORTUNATELY 
 MISLEADING PEOPLE. 
 >> Adrienne: ROSY AND THE "AT 
 ISSUE" TEAM WILL BREAK IT DOWN 
 AND GIVE US A SENSE OF WHERE IT
 LEAVES THE GOVERNMENT. 
 >> DUDE, WE HAVE TO GET YOUR 
 HEAD OUT OF THIS.
 >> Adrienne: PARAMEDICS NOSE TO
 NOSE WITH ONE VERY STUCK SKUNK.
 >> YOU COULD TELL
 >> Adrienne: WELCOME BACK.
 IN SAUDI ARABIA, ONLY A FEW 
 THOUSAND PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED TO
 ATTEND HAJJ.
 THE ANNUAL PILGRIMAGE TO MECCA 
 IS ONE OF THE PILLARS OF ISLAM.
 IT USUALLY DRAWS FOREIGNERS 
 FROM AROUND THE WORLD, BUT THIS
 YEAR, ONLY A LIMITED NUMBER 
 WERE ALLOWED.
 >>> AND THAT IS A STAR STUDDED 
 LINEUP OF WAX FIGURES, MARKING 
 THE LINEUP OF MADAM TUSSAUD'S 
 IN TORONTO.
 THE WAX FIGURES OF TRUMP AND 
 U.K.s PRIME MINISTER BORIS 
 JOHNSON WERE EVEN WISELY 
 SPORTING MASKS.
 >>> A SEVEN-MONTH JOURNEY HAS 
 BEGUN FOR NASA'S PERSEVERANCE, 
 THE MOST ADVANCED ROVER TO 
 JOURNEY TO MARS. 
 >> ENGINE IGNITION IN THREE, 
 TWO, ONE, LIFTOFF AS THE COUNT 
 DOWN TO MARS CONTINUES. 
 >> Reporter: THE LIFTOFF WENT 
 OUT WITHOUT A HITCH.
 GOOD THING, TOO, BECAUSE THIS 
 MISSION TO MARS IT CARRYING THE
 MOST -- IS CARRYING THE MOST 
 SOPHISTICATED EQUIPMENT TO EVER
 REACH THE RED PLANET.
 MICROPHONES TO PICK UP THE 
 FIRST SOUNDS.
 A HIGH TECH HELICOPTER ABLE TO 
 FLY IN THE THIN ATMOSPHERE AND 
 GATHER IMAGES BEYOND THE REACH 
 OF A ROVER.
 >> ON BOARD IS THE WAY FTO PAVE 
 THE WAY FOR HUMAN BEINGS TO 
 REACH MARS. 
 >> Reporter: BUT PERSEVERANCE'S
 MAIN MISSION IS TO COLLECT 
 SAMPLES OF MARS' ROCKS, AN 
 UNPRECEDENTED OPPORTUNITY AND 
 CHALLENGE. 
 >> WE WILL TREAT THEM LIKE 
 LEVEL FOUR BIOHAZARDS, JUST 
 LIKE WE WOULD EBOLA.
 WE HAVE TO PROTECT THESE 
 SAMPLES FROM EARTH, AND WE HAVE
 TO PROTECT EARTH FROM THESE 
 SAMPLES. 
 >> Reporter: THE SAMPLES WILL 
 BE COLLECTED FROM THIS AREA 
 THAT 3.5 BILLION YEARS AGO WAS 
 A RIVER, NOW CONTAINED AS 
 ROCKS.
 THE TRUE PROMISE OF 
 PERSEVERANCE, THE TANTALIZING 
 POSSIBILITY THAT WE'RE NOT 
 ALONE.
 AARON SALTZMAN, CBC NEWS, 
 TORONTO.
 >> Adrienne: STILL AHEAD, MORE 
 OUTBREAKS.
 WHY MORE GAMES HAVE BEEN 
 POSTPONED.
 >>> AND INSIDE THE NBA BUBBLE.
 CAN THE TORONTO RAPTORS MAKE 
 ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP RUN?
 >>> AND ROSY IS HERE WITH "AT 
 ISSUE.." 
 >> Rosemary: TODAY, MORE 
 [*]
 >> Prime Minister Justin 
 Trudeau: PUBLIC SERVICE CAME 
 FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION 
 TO CABINET TO MOVE FORWARD 
 EITHER WITH THIS SPECIFIC 
 THIRD-PARTY PROVIDER THAT WAS 
 WE CHARITY OR ELSE NOT MOVE 
 FORWARD WITH THE PROGRAMME AT 
 ALL.
 THAT WAS THE BINARY CHOICE WE 
 WERE POSED WITH.
 >> Rosemary: PRIME MINISTER AND
 HIS CHIEF OF STAFF WERE THE 
 FOCUS OF QUESTIONS TODAY, 
 EXPLAINING HOW THE WE CONTRACT 
 CAME TO BE AND WHY THEY WERE 
 CONCERNED ABOUT "PERCEPTIONS."
 SO DID THEIR TESTIMONY BEFORE 
 THE FINANCE COMMITTEE CHANGE 
 ANYTHING?
 WHAT COULD HAPPEN NEXT?
 IT'S THURSDAY IN JULY, SO WE 
 HAD TO CALL THESE GUYS BACK FOR
 A SUMMER SPECIAL "AT ISSUE."
 BEFORE WE START, JUST A LITTLE 
 NOTE OF DISCLOSURE FROM ALTHIA.
 SHE HAS TRAVELLED TO THE WE 
 CHARITY'S SUMMER CAMP IN KENYA 
 IN 2014 THAT WAS PARTLY 
 FINANCED BY HER AND HUFFPOST 
 OWNER A.O.L.
 LET'S TAKE THE INFORMATION WE 
 HAVE AROUND THE TIMELINE THAT 
 THE PRIME MINISTER, WHEN THIS 
 FIRST CAME TO HIS ATTENTION, HE
 DECIDED HE WANTED MORE SKRUT 
 KNEE AND PUBLIC SERVICE TO LOOK
 AT IT AGAIN.
 CHANTAL, LET'S START WITH YOU. 
 >> I'M GUESSING THE MAIN POINT 
 JUSTIN TRUDEAU WANTED TO DRIVE 
 WAS NOT THE NOTION, BUT HE CAME
 ALMOST LAST IN THE DECISION 
 MAKING PROCESS AS IN SAYING YES
 OR NO TO THIS AS OPPOSED TO THE
 NARRATIVE THAT THE OPPOSITION 
 HAS BEEN BUILDING THAT THIS 
 HAPPENED BECAUSE THE PRIME 
 MINISTER HAD A PET PROJECT, AND
 HE PUSHED IT ON THE CIVIL 
 SERVICE.
 WHAT HE ALSO, I GUESS, WANTED 
 PEOPLE TO TAKE FROM IT WAS TO 
 PUSH BACK, AND REMIND ME, THERE
 MIGHT BE OPTICS ISSUES ON THIS.
 THE DISCREPANCY, OBVIOUSLY, 
 BETWEEN THAT REALIZATION THAT 
 THERE WOULD BE OPTICS ISSUE 
 BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP 
 WITH WE AND THE ANNOUNCEMENT, 
 THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE BEEN
 A LOT DONE TO DEAL WITH THIS 
 ARREST TO PREPARE FOR IT. 
 >> Rosemary: AND THE REASON 
 THEY CHOSE WE WAS BECAUSE THE 
 ONLY OTHER OPTION WAS, 
 ACCORDING TO THEM, WAS NOTHING.
 >> YEAH.
 CIVIL SERVICE MADE THEM DO IT; 
 THEY HAD NO OPTION.
 I THINK THE PRIME MINISTER 
 RAISED MORE QUESTIONS TODAY BY 
 THE SCAM WHICH WE'VE NOT BEEN 
 ABREAST OF UNTIL NOW, BOTH THAT
 HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING UNTIL 
 MAY 8.
 SO CLEARLY, THERE WAS WORSE 
 THAN OPTICS QUESTIONS HERE.
 THERE WAS THE SERIOUS CONFLICT 
 OF INTEREST QUESTIONS, BUT 
 SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
 BUT THEN HAVING KNOWN THAT, HE 
 THEN PUSHED AHEAD ANY WAY AFTER
 APPARENTLY SOME DUE DILIGENCE 
 WAS DONE THAT DIDN'T EITHER 
 TURN UP THE MULTIPLE CONFLICTS,
 REAL OR PERCEIVED WITH WE THAT 
 WOULD MAKE IT A QUESTIONABLE 
 PARTNER WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
 IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 
 MATTER WHERE HE SAYS WELL, I 
 KNEW THERE WAS A SERIOUS 
 QUESTION ANY WAY, BUT I WENT 
 AHEAD HERE ANY WAY, AND HE WENT
 AHEAD BECAUSE THE CIVIL SERVICE
 HAD PREBTED HIM WITH A BINARY 
 CHOICE.
 NO, IF I MAY QUOTE A PREVIOUS 
 MINISTER, HE COULD HAVE SAID 
 NO.
 HE COULD HAVE SAID WE'RE GOING 
 TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING 
 BOARD.
 WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROCEED WITH
 A PROGRAMME THAT COULD LAND THE
 PRIME MINISTER IN SUCH HOT 
 WATER, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT 
 ARGUMENT HOLDS A LOT OF WATER. 
 >> Rosemary: IT SEEMS TO ME, 
 ALTHIA, THAT THE PRIME MINISTER
 DOES NOT THINK THIS WAS A 
 CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE 
 THERE WAS NO DIRECT BENEFIT TO 
 MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY. 
 >> THAT HE WAS AWARE OF AT THE 
 TIME OR THAT THE PROGRAMME 
 WOULD OFFER THEM, YEAH.
 BOTH HE AND HIS CHIEF OF STAFF,
 KATIE TELFORD, REPEATEDLY SAID 
 THAT THEY BELIEVED THAT IN HIS 
 CASE, IT WASN'T THAT THE 
 PERCEPTION OF A POTENTIAL 
 CONFLICT.
 IT DID SEEM, THOUGH, THAT THEY 
 WERE KIND OF SUGGESTING THAT 
 BILL MORNEAU, THE FINANCE 
 MINISTER, THAT HE HAD PERHAPS A
 MORE REAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST 
 BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT AWARE 
 THAT HE HAD TRAVELLED TO WE'S 
 CAMPS, ON WE'S DIME, THAT ONE 
 OF HIS DAUGHTERS WORKED FOR WE 
 ON CONTRACT.
 BUT I THINK TO ANDREW'S POINT, 
 THE M.P.s DID NOT DELVE DEEP 
 ENOUGH INTO THAT SUGGESTION.
 WHAT MADE IT THAT WE WAS THE 
 ONLY OPTION?
 COULD YOU HAVE STRUCK THROUGH 
 THE PROGRAMME DIFFERENTLY?
 WHY WAS WE THE ONLY CAPABLE 
 ADMINISTRATOR?
 BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, 
 WE IS NOT SIGNING OFF ON 
 WHETHER THOSE STUDENTS MADE 
 5,000 OR 500 HOURS OF VOLUNTEER
 WORK.
 SO COULD THE PROGRAMME HAVE 
 BEEN STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY, 
 BUT NOBODY ASKED THAT QUESTION,
 EITHER. 
 >> LET'S BE CLEAR, A PERCEIVED 
 CONFLICT IS A CONFLICT.
 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COMMON
 TO ALL ETHICS CODES IS, YOU 
 HAVE TO GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO 
 REMOVE ANY PERCEPTION OF 
 CONFLICT.
 YOU CAN'T SAY OH, IT WASN'T MY 
 SPOUSE OR MY CHILD, IT WAS JUST
 MY MOTHER, MY BROTHER, AND MY 
 SPOUSE.
 I THINK THAT'S A DISTINCTION 
 WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE.
 >> Rosemary: CHANTAL, WHAT DO 
 YOU THINK OF THAT?
 >> A COUPLE OF POINTS.
 I STILL THINK THAT JUSTIN 
 TRUDEAU DID GOOD BY GOING TO 
 THE COMMITTEE, AND NOT GOING TO
 THE COMMITTEE.
 HIS STANCE IS ON THE RECORD, 
 AND PEOPLE CAN DECIDE FOR 
 THEMSELVES, BUT IT'S BETTER TO 
 FILL THE VACUUM THAN LET PEOPLE
 FILL IT, WHICH THEY'VE BEEN 
 DOING FOR A NUMBER OF WEEKS.
 TIME WISE RN, CIRCUMSTANCES, ALL 
 OF THAT GOES INTO THE MIX, BUT 
 I THINK AFTER TODAY, THE 
 FINANCE MINISTER WAS THROWN 
 UNDER THE BUS BECAUSE IT WAS 
 SUGGESTED REPEATEDLY THAT THEY 
 CAME UP WITH THE SUGGESTION.
 I THINK REPEATEDLY, THE FINANCE
 MINISTER, BILL MORNEAU WAS 
 THROWN UNDER THE BUS.
 I DIDN'T HEAR ANY SENSE OF 
 DEFENCE THAT HE WASN'T PART OF 
 THE PROBLEM.
 I THINK IF I WAS TROUBLED 
 ANYTHING, IT WAS THE BILL 
 MORNEAU UNDER THE BUS. 
 >> WHAT ABOUT YOU, ALTHIA?
 IN TERMS OF JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S 
 TESTIMONY, WHETHER HE DID 
 HIMSELF ANY FURTHER DAMAGE?
 >> ACTUALLY, I THINK HIM AND 
 KATIE TELFORD DID THEMSELVES 
 FAVOURS.
 I THINK IT SPOKES TO THE FACT 
 THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO BE MORE
 TRANSPARENT, BUT I DO AGREE 
 WITH ANDREW, THAT WE'RE LEFT 
 WITH EVEN MORE QUESTIONS.
 IT DOES SEEM LIKE WITH THE MIX 
 OF EVERYTHING GOING ON, COVID
 COVID-19 AND ALL THE THINGS 
 BEING DESIGNED, THAT SO MUCH OF
 THE CRAFTING LAY IN THE PUBLIC 
 SERVICE.
 LOOK AT THE LAST SCANDAL THAT 
 WE WERE LOOKING AT, WHICH WAS 
 SNC-LAVALIN, WHERE EVERYTHING 
 WAS RUN OUT OF THE PRIME 
 MINISTER'S OFFICE.
 IN THIS CASE, IT SEEMED TO BE, 
 FROM TELFORD'S TESTIMONY, WHILE
 THE DETAILS WAS, THAT'S ALL 
 PUBLIC SERVICE.
 WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO 
 WITH THAT.
 WE CHARITY FOUNDATION OR WE 
 CHARITY OR HOW COME THEY GOT 
 PAID ON MAY 5, AND WE DIDN'T 
 THINK THIS WAS A DONE DEAL 
 UNTIL SEVERAL WEEKS LATER.
 SO THIS DOES SEEM TO BE -- I 
 HAVE NO REASON TO NOT BELIEVE 
 THAT WHAT SHE AND HE ARE SAYING
 IS NOT TRUE, BUT IT IS 
 INTERESTING THAT THE PRIME 
 MINISTER'S OFFICE SEEMS VERY 
 REMOVED.
 BUT THAT BEING SAID, CAN I JUST
 ADD ONE MORE POINT, IT IS NOT 
 TRUE THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW 
 THAT WE WAS BEING CONSIDERED 
 BECAUSE AT THE END OF HER 
 TESTIMONY, SHE DOES ACKNOWLEDGE
 
 IN APRIL, THAT WE WAS BEING 
 FLOATED AS A POSSIBLE 
 ADMINISTRATOR.
 YOU THINK IF ENTHUTHEY KNEW, THEY 
 WOULD HAVE SAID THAT.
 >> Rosemary: OKAY.
 I'VE GOT TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
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 >> IN THE PROCESS, YOU BROKE 
 THE ETHICS ACT A THIRD TIME.
 WHAT HAPPENS IN BASEBALL WHEN 
 YOU HAVE THREE STRIKES?
 >> A MAJOR MISTAKE WAS MADE.
 SOMEONE IN CABINET SHOULD BE 
 HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
 WHICH MINISTER WILL YOU FIRE?
 >> DO YOU THINK THE MINISTER 
 SHOULD STEP DOWN?
 >> Rosemary: JUST SOME OF THE 
 CALLS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND 
 ACTION FROM OPPOSITION M.P.s AT
 THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TODAY, SO
 WHAT IS THE WAY FORWARD FOR THE
 GOVERNMENT?
 BACK FOR MORE IS CHANTAL, 
 ANDREW, AND ALTHIA.
 I'LL LET YOU PICK UP, ANDREW, 
 WHERE WE LEFT OFF. 
 >> JUST ON THIS QUESTION, THIS 
 MAY 8 TIMELINE THAT WE'VE HEARD
 OF FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY 
 WHEN SUPPOSEDLY THE PRIME 
 MINISTER AND HIS CHIEF OF STAFF
 FIRST HEARD THAT WE WAS 
 INVOLVED IN THIS PROGRAMME.
 IT'S QUESTIONABLE HOW TRUE THAT
 IS.
 THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS WITH 
 CABINET MINISTERS IN APRIL, 
 MID-APRIL.
 THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS WITH 
 SENIOR CIVIL SERVANTS.
 IN APRIL, WE WAS TOLD THEY 
 WOULD BE GETTING THE PROGRAMME.
 ACCORDING TO KATIE TELFORD, 
 WE'VE GOT CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN
 THE PRIME MINISTER AND 
 OFFICIALS, THAT ALL OF THESE 
 THINGS COULD BE GOING ON AND 
 ALL OF THESE THINGS COULD BE 
 HAPPENING IN A NOTORIOUSLY 
 CENTRALIZED TOP-DOWN 
 GOVERNMENT, AND NEITHER THE 
 PRIME MINISTER OR THE CHIEF OF 
 STAFF WOULD KNOW WORD ONE OF IT
 UNTIL MAY 8?
 THAT'S A HARD ONE TO SWAL OWE.
 >> Rosemar
 -- SWALLOW.
 >> Rosemary: CHANTAL, YOU CAN 
 WEIGH-IN ON THIS NEXT. 
 >> WE'RE STILL IN THIS PANDEMIC
 CRISIS, AND THAT'S ALSO KIND OF
 A SIDE STORY.
 WHAT'S HAPPENING GOING FORWARD,
 IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE ARE 
 RIVETED TO THE MINISTRY AND WHO
 DID WHAT ON WHAT DATE, BUT HOW 
 THEY -- THEY ARE FRAGILE, AT 
 BEST, IN THEIR TRUST IN THE 
 GOVERNMENT GOING FORWARD AS WE 
 ARE STILL IN THE CRISIS.
 AND ON THAT BASIS, I DON'T 
 THINK TODAY SOLVES THAT.
 I AM NOT CONVINCED IF SOMEONE 
 IS GOING TO WALK THE PLANK, IT 
 WILL NOT BE THE FINANCE 
 MINISTER BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO 
 CENTRAL PLAYERS IN THIS.
 I DON'T THINK JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS
 RESIGNING OR CALLING AN 
 ELECTION ON THIS, BUT I DO 
 BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE IS GOING 
 TO WALK THE PLANK ON THIS. 
 >> Rosemary: OKAY.
 ALTHIA, HOW DO YOU THINK IT'S 
 GOING TO END?
 >> WELL, WE SAW SOME 
 QUESTIONING FROM OPPOSITION 
 WITNESSES.
 THE FINANCE MINISTER AND 
 MINISTERS WHO WOULD NORMALLY 
 STANDUP AND BE ACCOUNTABLE AND 
 SAY THEY'RE GOING TO RESIGN 
 OVER THIS ISSUE ARE NOT DOING 
 SO.
 I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S 
 RESIGNATION WATCH ON BILL 
 MORNEAU RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, 
 BUT THE DOOR SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN
 OPENED TO THAT POSSIBILITY 
 JUDGING BY THE PRIME MINISTER 
 AND MISS TELFORD'S COMMENTS. 
 >> Rosemary: OKAY.
 ANDREW, LAST WORD ON THE 
 SUBJECT. 
 >> OKAY.
 I THINK TWO THINGS DETERMINE 
 IT.
 ONE IS THE POLLS.
 THEY ARE SLIPPING IN THE PLOOLLS.
 THEY ARE SLIPPING IN THE POLLS,
 AND THE QUESTIONS OF THE 
 MINISTERS.
 EITHER BILL MORNEAU OR KATIE 
 TELFORD MAY NOT BE SLEEPING 
 WELL IN THE PAST FEW DAYS.
 >> Rosemary: OKAY.
 ONE FINAL THOUGHT FROM YOU, 
 CHANTAL.
 I HAD 30 SECONDS I DIDN'T KNOW 
 I HAD.
 >> THE FACT THAT MORE STAFFERS 
 ARE NAMED BRINGS TROUBLE INSIDE
 THE GOVERNMENT, BUT THE 
 CONFIDENCE ISSUE IS A REAL 
 SERIOUS ISSUE, AND THAT DOESN'T
 END BY PUTTING JUNIOR 
 ASSISTANTS ON TRIAL, AND THAT'S
 WHY I THINK SOMETHING MAJOR MAY
 HAPPEN.
 REMEMBER, PRIME MINISTERS DO 
 NOT CHANGE FINANCE MINISTERS IN
 A CRISIS, NOT IN A LONG, LONG 
 TIME.
 THIS WOULD BE SOME PRETTY BIG 
 SHAME UP FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
 >> Rosemary: OKAY.
 LEAVE IT THERE.
 I KEEP SAYING HONESTLY I'M NOT 
 GOING TO CALL, BUT STAY PUT 
 BECAUSE I MIGHT BE CALLING 
 AGAIN.
 BEFORE WE GO, BE SURE TO 
 SUBSCRIBE TO "AT ISSUE" THE 
 PODCAST.
 YOU CAN LOOK FOR IT ON ANY OF 
 OUR WEBSITES.
 WITH THE PODCASTS, WE'LL BE 
 BACK IN A COUPLE WEEKS OR 
 SOONER.
 >> Adrienne: AND WITH THAT, THE
 NBA HAS MORE THAN A 
 CHAMPIONSHIP ON THEIR MINDS. 
 >> IT'S TIME TO ADDRESS RACISM 
 RIGHT NOW.
 NOT ONLY IN AMERICA, BUT ALL 
 OVER
 >> Adrienne: MAJOR LEAGUE 
 BASEBALL HAS POSTPONED MORE 
 GAMES AS THE LEAGUE CONTINUES 
 TO DEAL WITH THE COVID-19 
 OUTBREAK.
 TWO STAFFERS FROM THE 
 PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES TESTED 
 POSITIVE AFTER PLAYING MIAMI 
 OVER THE WEEKEND, A TEAM THAT 
 HAS NEARLY 20 POSITIVE TESTS.
 THE PHILLIES HAVE SHUTDOWN 
 THEIR STADIUM, AND A SCHEDULED 
 SERIES AGAINST THE BLUE JAYS 
 THIS WEEKEND HAS BEEN 
 POSTPONED.
 >>> TONIGHT, ANOTHER PRO SPORTS
 LEAGUE RETURNED TO PLAY.
 THE NBA TIPPED OFF IN FLORIDA 
 INSIDE AN ELABORATE BUBBLE THAT
 WILL BE HOME FOR THE REST OF 
 THE SEASON, BUT FOR THE 
 RAPTORS, IT'S ABOUT MORE THAN 
 THE GAME. 
 >> Reporter: FINALLY, BACK ON 
 THE COURT, AND FARELY FIVE 
 MONTHS AFTER BASKETBALL 
 SUDDENLY STOPPED. 
 >> BOTH TEAMS HAVE GONE BACK TO
 THE LOCKER ROOM. 
 >> Reporter: NOW, EIGHT GAMES 
 TO DETERMINE POSITIONING, THEN 
 THE PLAYOFFS BEGIN. 
 >> THIS IS WHERE THE NBA FINALS
 ARE GOING TO BE. 
 >> Reporter: STILL, BEFORE THAT
 FOR THE RAPTORS, DISNEYWORLD 
 TURNED INTO A BASKETBALL MECCA.
 THE DEFENDING CHAMPION TORONTO 
 RAPTORS, FEELING RIGHT AT HOME,
 FOCUSED ON REPEATING, BUT ALSO 
 SHINING A LIGHT ON SOCIAL 
 INJUSTICE.
 ARRIVING IN FLORIDA WITH BLACK 
 LIVES MATTER PLASTERED ACROSS 
 THEIR BUSES, ON THEIR JERSEYS, 
 THE CHAMPS WANTING TO BE 
 LEADERS ON AND OFF THE COURT. 
 >> FOCUS ON THE TASKS AT HAND 
 AND WORRY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE 
 WORRYING ABOUT. 
 >> Reporter: THEY MADE HISTORY 
 ONE SEASON AGO, CAPTIVATING A 
 SEASON ON THE WAY.
 HEAD COACH NICK NURSE WILL HAVE
 THE TEAM READY. 
 >> NOTHING IS GOING TO PHASE 
 HIM, GOING TO GET IN HIS WAY OF
 PREPARING OR GETTING HIS 
 MESSAGE TO HIS TEAM. 
 >> WHEN MISTAKES GO UP, THE 
 INTENSITY SHOULD GO UP, AND SWE
 SHOULD SWE
  -- WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO 
 THAT.
 IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T BEEN 
 THERE. 
 >> Reporter: THEY'RE PLAYING AT
 THE MOST MAGICAL PLACE ON 
 EARTH, A RAPTOR TEAM, ONCE 
 AGAIN, HOPING FOR A FAIRY TALE 
 ENDING.
 DEVON HEROUX, CBC NEWS, 
 TORONTO.
 >> Adrienne: COMING UP, WOULD 
 YOU STOP TO HELP A SKUNK IN A 
 BIT OF TROUBLE?
 >> DUDE,
 >> Adrienne: NOT EVERYONE WOULD
 PULL OVER TO HELP OUT A SKUNK, 
 BUT TWO PARAMEDICS IN BARRIE, 
 ONTARIO, DID JUST THAT.
 WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
 THIS IS TONIGHT'S "MOMENT."
 >> DUDE, WE HAVE TO GET YOUR 
 HEAD OUT OF THIS. 
 >> KIND OF OUT OF THE CORNER OF
 MY EYE, WHAT LOOKED LIKE AN 
 INJURED ANIMAL CROSSING THE 
 ROAD.
 AS WE WERE DRIVING, IT WAS, 
 LIKE, OH, NO.
 KAYLA, I THINK I JUST SAW 
 AN ANIMAL.
 DO YOU CARE IF WE TURNAROUND?
 >> SO I WAS IN THE PASSENGER'S 
 SEAT, SO THAT'S THE PERSON THAT
 DOES THE PATIENT CARE. 
 >> WE WENT OVER, AND IT TOOK US
 A COUPLE OF TRIES.
 AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE VIDEO, 
 HE WAS PRETTY JUMPY AND 
 HESITANT AT FIRST, AND YOU CAN 
 TELL THAT HE KEPT WALKING BACK 
 OVER TO US, AND KAYLA MUSTERED 
 UP THE COURAGE TO PULL IT OFF.
 IT WAS 3:00 IN THE MORNING, WE 
 WERE SO TIRED, AND JUST 
 LAUGHING, BUT AGAIN, PRETTY 
 HAPPY WE COULD GET HIM FREE. 
 >> Adrienne: SO I KNOW YOU ALL 
 WANT TO KNOW, DID THE SKUNK 
 SPRAY THEM?
 NO, THE SKUNK DID NOT, AND THEY
 HAD ON ALL OF THEIR P.P.E.
 THAT IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR 
 TONIGHT.
 GOOD NIGHT.
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