you know what's the benefit of
locking everything down at first right
and i think one of the major benefits
which is what we're seeing now
is that when you experience an unknown
enemy you know the first thing you want
to do is give yourself time
and then so with that time what we've
done is we first of all realized that
maybe we shouldn't ventilate them right
away um you know because
the data coming out of china was saying
ventilate immediately
um and then a lot of people are not
being able to be taken off of
ventilators afterwards so we bought
ourselves time to figure out with that
and now we're starting to learn a lot
more about you know what are
the what's this virus really doing to
the body so you know i think we bought
ourselves time and we're
this is sort of an example of how we're
further understanding this with the time
we bought
ourselves yeah i think one of the great
things here like
and there's really i should clarify
there aren't great things about a global
pandemic but
i think one of the coolest exercises in
the scientific community we've seen here
is really you know
the main research that has kind of had
continuity over this process has been
covered research and
the things that have been learned about
this virus compared to like if you think
back to the original research on the
original um sars virus work like
looking at the amount of publications
and the amount of information that's
being done on this virus it's actually a
really
impressive scientific endeavor to just
see how much work has been done
already in terms of vaccine research
understanding how the virus
spreads and how it develops in patients
it's a very fascinating exercise to see
what scientists are doing when they are
working together in this kind of way
yeah by all means and it's been like a
very international effort like i would
say this is
uh probably the the first and
only time thus far that there's been
like such collaboration and such
international approach on the same topic
at the same time so in some ways they're
sort of like the
the the internet and high kind of
connectivity is actually been a real boo
real boon for this boon means good right
highly beneficial so like
we have this highly accelerated
scientific process going on and
in fact like the what roger was saying
about like the the article gained public
the
news article being published before the
the scientific article that's
happened a couple times in this now but
to bring into something that we also
wanted to talk about in the digital age
you can have accurate information being
presented very quickly but you can also
have inaccurate information being
presented quickly
and how is that balance really playing
out and
on that point exactly i'm not sure of
course there's been a lot of
misinformation coming out
just in general the past few months and
we have an article pulled up that we'll
hopefully get to at some point here
but it's not necessarily even
intentional misinformation a lot of the
time if people are following scientific
or physician
related accounts there are differing
perspectives on how to treat
this virus or how to treat the symptoms
just based this could contribute as to
why potentially
certain initial recommendations were to
ventilate as soon as possible whereas
now
from our lived experience with the
patients we know in our circumstances in
in the west at least
ventilating soon is not a good idea and
i think in a lot of ways
in good ways and in bad ways obviously
overarchingly good but this the public
has really gotten a first-hand look into
the nature of the scientific process
we have no understanding of this virus
to begin with and we're really just
going with what we have
this is how science evolves when new
information emerges that that is
relevant or
valid enough to overtake the previous
dominant fantasy the previous dominant
way of thinking
we need to change ship and unfortunately
at this early stage this happens very
very often as new information
comes out yeah and i think that's one of
the issues that a lot of
people have they that people who have
issues with science
come up with especially for instance
things like nutrition i have a nutrition
background so i
witnessed this um the fact that oh
well one day they're telling me that
this is good the other the next day
they're telling me that it's bad
and back and forth and like in this case
we're like
as roger was saying this is the
scientific process sped up
like we are witnessing all these
different changes to the theory
in real time as opposed to taking place
over years
so it's those people who are and
additional people like it's probably not
just the people who
don't believe science because it tells
them one thing one day and another thing
the other day
it's probably recruiting more people
because it's probably really exhausting
for people who don't realize
the process that's going on at any
certain point of time is acting on the
best knowledge that they have at that
point in time
so if you want to be jumping in there
yeah um
yeah to me a lot of the conflict comes
into play because
the media and science are just so
different in so many different ways
so as we know science is slow it's you
know constantly building off of itself
you know you can't just take one study
and run with it but the media is the
exact opposite the media is so
quick you know what's in the news cycle
one day you know last week we were
talking about sars kovet
we don't even you know you don't see
anything about covet in the news right
now
yeah um so in one week i mean obviously
this is a unique week but
the the the nature of the media is is
completely
offset with how science evolves so
how do you think we can reconcile that
um
well i'll just add like to kind of top
off that because i know we're talking
about you know media in the sense of
like
news media where i think there's like
you know there's
science reporting in the news we did but
then there's also you know articles like
whereas like you know the
the paid pieces that people buy where
it's like why your barbecue is gonna
kill you and then the next week
by the pieces why grilling food is
healthier for your diet
but i think the other thing too is that
i mean where it gets really tricky is
where you know
where certain amounts of these
fabrications are where it actually looks
convincing and there's fake data
and i think that's where it gets really
tricky is you can have something that
on a level of logic and reasoning flows
but it's based on
false information and that's where i
think people really have a tougher times
i think they can catch
bad reasoning easier than they can catch
bad information
yep sorry i guess a good analogy you
know like the whole bleach thing is like
there is a in that case it's you know
the fact is
actually reasonably good which is you
know bleach can kill things in contact
on surfaces
but the reasoning of therefore i should
drink bleach because it'll kill any
viruses in contact with the surface of
my
body is bad reasoning
so you know reasoning is easy to catch
that you can you know catch a bad reason
if it doesn't follow but
if you don't have the background
information you really can't catch
bad facts which is why i think you know
it even got
mentioned i think in the article like
you know certain purveyors that carry a
sense of authority but
maybe not the best authority like you
know homeopaths and
things like that where you know they
might not necessarily have
they might have you know a perceived
authority but they might not actually
have the right authority to talk about
these issues it can definitely be hard
to evaluate sometimes
yeah i completely agree and you know
again there's differing opinions on how
to best go about treating these things
a lot of people say ventilator right
away is the
best way to go about it as soon as the
person starts to fail
uh that you should be putting them
directly onto a ventilator others say
that
you should delay putting the person onto
a ventilator for as
long as physically possible because up
to 80 percent of people who are put onto
the ventilator takes an aesthetic
to in order to insert um you know when
you go onto a heavy duty ventilator in
that sense
but up to 80 percent of people don't
make it out or out of that ventilator
um so it's also talk about putting
people upright when they're trying to
breathe because putting people on their
back
it compresses the airways the lungs or
majority of them are on your backs when
you compress some of the capillaries or
some of the
i guess what do you call them air
pockets or the air sacs the alveoli
when they're already inflamed and
compressed to begin with from the
disorder from the from covet it's a
larger issue to begin with
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