(singing) I know my
God has made a way for
me. I know my God has
made a way for me.
ANNOUNCER: Join Kenneth
and Gloria Copeland
and Dr. Caroline Leaf on the
Believer's Voice of Victory as
they discuss how your mind
determines your identity and God
has given you the power
to change your mind.
KENNETH: Hello everybody.
I'm Kenneth Copeland. That's
Gloria Copeland and
that's Dr. Caroline Leaf
and this is the Believer's
Voice of Victory broadcast,
praise God. We're going
to have a good time
all the day and all the rest of
this week. Those of you that
were with us last week, you know
that we've got a, we have this
very specially anointed Dr.
Caroline Leaf in this studio
today. It's so important to have
God's view, not just the
scientific view or not just the
common view, but what does God
say about it? Particularly when
you're dealing with the Spirit,
or you're dealing with the mind,
the soul really, Spirit, then
soul, then body, in that order.
The body being the least
important, the Spirit and the
soul made up of your mind, your
will and your emotions, the
intellectual part of you, the
Spirit and the soul live on when
the body is gone. Your soul is
part of your Spirit. Therein is
the mind. But now, what happens
to the mind, if the brain is not
functioning correctly? You have
a dilemma because the mind
cannot express itself. It's
locked up in a place of
incapacitation. Then the Spirit
and the body are severely
hindered, particularly when it
comes to doing any, obeying God
or doing anything to bless and
to carry out God's assignments
in the earth. So we need people
like Caroline Leaf, that God has
called as a specialist in that
part of the kingdom. Gloria and
I were called in the arena of
faith. Now we deal with and talk
about a lot of other things, but
that's our major thrust. That's
what God told us over 50 years
ago. Teach my people faith. So
to have you here is a pleasure
and it is a divine opportunity
for all of us, and we want you
to know we appreciate you.
CAROLINE LEAF: Thank you. I'm so
honored. Thank you. KENNETH:
Father we thank you for sending
Caroline to us. We open our
hearts and we open our minds to
receive revelation from heaven
and we thank you for it, and we
give you all the praise and the
glory for it, Lord Jesus, in
that great and precious name we
pray, Jesus. Amen. Let's open to
our, what I like to call the
golden text for last week and
this week, in 2 Timothy chapter
1, verse 7, "For God hath not
given us the Spirit of fear." I
like to read it this way, "But
he has given us the Spirit of
power, the Spirit of love and
the Spirit of a sound mind."
CAROLINE LEAF: I love that.
KENNETH: So to deal with a sound
mind, you have to have a sound
brain with which it can
function. CAROLINE LEAF:
Exactly. KENNETH: And through
which is really a better phrase.
CAROLINE LEAF: Yes. Exactly.
KENNETH: Through which the mind
functions and expresses itself.
I will remind us again of this,
and Jesus talked about the rich
man, Lazarus, the beggar, died
and was carried into the bosom
of Abraham, into Paradise. The
rich man was carried into hell.
One of the first things Abraham
said to him is, son, remember.
Now his brain was not there, but
his Spirit and his mind were.
CAROLINE LEAF: Exactly. KENNETH:
His memory, his emotions, he got
emotional about his family, and
he doesn't want them to come to
this burning hellish place and
he's, now all of a sudden he's
very evangelistic. He's begging
for them and so forth. So all of
these emotions and everything
are intact. The point being, the
memory is not in the brain. The
memory uses the brain that
stores the memory but life's
memories are inside the Spirit
of a man. It's categorized and
it's all in there. CAROLINE
LEAF: Exactly. KENNETH: I read
or heard you say the same thing.
I read after Dr. Ben Carson, and
he said, if anybody could ever
get to the place where they used
100% of their brain, they would
rule the world. Now, quote the
figures, they're so astonishing,
at the data that's in this
little pumpkin. The millions of
just things that's in there.
CAROLINE LEAF: Okay so you want
some numbers. KENNETH: Yes I do.
CAROLINE LEAF: Okay. Let me give
you the numbers. Let me speak
loud so you can hear me.
KENNETH: Yes, please. CAROLINE
LEAF: So your brain's about the
size of your two fists. GLORIA:
That's loud. CAROLINE LEAF:
That's loud. I have to ask God
one day, I'm a public speaker
and I have the quietest voice,
so anyway, it makes me work
harder. So your brain is the
size of your two fists. It's
made up of about 100 billion
neurons, which is 20% of brain
tissue. So there's another 80%
of different brain tissue. We
only understand about 10% of how
the brain functions. Each
neuron, and there's a 100
billion neuron. Each neuron for
example, as you are listening to
me now, at speeds of 10 to the
27, which is faster than 400
billion actions per second, you
are transforming my words and
all the stimulation around you,
visual and so on, into physical
structures inside of your brain.
So when I say you, it's your
spirit and your mind, are taking
what you're hearing, generating
that energy through the brain.
The brain responds and genetic
expression happens and you
actually physically build at
that huge speed little protein
structures on top of the
neurons, little branches. So as
you're listening to me now,
you're growing these branches.
You can grow, anything from a
few thousand to a few million
branches. If you have a few
million branches, you grow a
branch for every piece of
information that you're
gathering. In a talk like this
of around 20 minutes, we will
speak about 5,000 facts. You'll
grow about 5,000 branches,
holding our information. Those
branches are made of proteins.
Those branches, you can grow as
I said, anything up to a
million, plus. On these 100
million, it gets even bigger.
Inside one neuron, and you've
got 100 billion more of less,
inside one we have these very
important little structures that
we call micro-tubules, that do a
lot of things, including being
involved in memory. So when you
meditate, they're activated. You
have about 10 million per neuron
and there's 100 billion neurons
per brain, and that's only 20%
of brain tissue. Then those
little micro-tubules break up
into smaller ... So for every
branch that you grow, they break
up, so you have more and more of
them. So one neuron has 10
million, but if you have a
million branches growing on the
one neuron, than that 10 million
multiplies into more millions.
Each of those millions and
millions and millions of
micro-tubules are made up of
little tiny proteins. They're
like little rolled up, sort of a
sheet of like little beads and
they roll up, and so there's
millions of those things. Each
of the little beads which are
little proteins are quantum
neuro-biological computers, and
that's what we are using. It's
almost like that's where the
spirit is in the mind, working
into those little computers and
they operate like these little
quantum energy computers that
we're building with our thoughts
and that's where our thoughts,
the mind part of our thoughts
are stored, and they connect
with the physical part of where
our thoughts are stored. We have
trillions and cabillions and
gazillions. We don't even have
the number of words for those.
One, and we have gabillions and
gazillions, one is more powerful
than the entire, all the
computers on the entire planet.
GLORIA: So now if you ever get
confused, you know why. They're
all those things in there going.
CAROLINE LEAF: Exactly. Exactly.
But that's just the power. So
God has designed that kind of
power in our brain. We are only
starting to understand this now.
This is memory research. I've
got a whole lot in this book
about the memory research. To
show the magnificence of our
design and that is only, your
brain has to be brilliant
because your mind is even more
brilliant. KENNETH: Oh yeah.
CAROLINE LEAF: Because your mind
is connected to your spirit. So
your spirit works with your mind
and it's got to express through
a very complex structure.
KENNETH: Then you add to that
once a person accepts Jesus as
Lord and Savior. CAROLINE LEAF:
Changes things. KENNETH: The
Spirit is recreated and brought
back to the level with God. Then
we have the mind of Christ.
CAROLINE LEAF: Exactly. KENNETH:
Which Christ is the Greek
translation of the word messiah
and both Hebrew messiah and
Greek Christ is the English word
anointed. We have ... CAROLINE
LEAF: Power. We have so much
power. KENNETH: The same
anointing power. CAROLINE LEAF:
Exactly. KENNETH: Available for
our minds that Jesus functioned
in while he was on the earth.
CAROLINE LEAF: You see that's
the thing. That is so, that's
mind-blowing in a good sense,
and if we get a revelation of
that, when we get a revelation
of what it means to get in a
rhythm with the Spirit,
literally we get our minds
renewed and in a rhythm with the
Spirit, we're accessing that
kind of power, and we see
science showing us the impact of
that power. We don't even need
science to show us. We have our
gut instinct. We know for
example, if we are in a toxic
mindset or we are grumpy, wake
up grumpy, whatever, we know the
day goes wrong. We know that if
we speak horrible words to
someone, we know that we feel
horrible and that they feel, we
feel the impact. We don't need a
scientist to tell us what we
instinctively know to be true.
We as humanity have life and
death in the power of our
tongue, which is coming from,
you know all those scriptures,
it's there. It's in existence.
You break someone or your build
someone with your words. I saw
this in my practice, Gloria and
Kenneth. I saw this so much. My
patients would come into my
practice with, I chose ... Let
me give you a bit of background.
I practiced clinically for 25
years. I've done brain research
for 30. I still do brain
research. I still do clinical
trials. I work with teams of
doctors and neurosurgeons,
neurologists, neuroscientists.
We're starting a huge clinical
trial in January where we're
looking at non-pharmacological
interventions for people with
anxiety and depression. In other
words no medicine, mind. Get
your mind right. Get your life
right kind of situation. I took
this approach in my practice and
I've translated all of this into
my materials and whatever.
Essentially I would work with
the worst of the worst.
Everyone, there was always this
population that people didn't
want to work with in the world
of therapy. The adolescents and
the really difficult people. I
chose in my practice from the
beginning from day one, to take
those with the worst brain
damage, the worst emotional
problems and get into the worst
parts of South Africa to
actually work in the trenches
with people that had been
abused, raped, et cetera, et
cetera. I've had extensive
experience working with broken
humanity for honestly close to
30 years. Hands on, broken
humanity, rejected humanity, and
one of the first things that I
would see in, that came from
experience, et cetera, was that
people had this impression of
themselves that they didn't
measure up, that they weren't
good enough, and that they had
no ... That took away the sense
of purpose and hope. We spoke
about hope yesterday, in last
week's, Friday's broadcast. When
someone loses a sense of purpose
and hope, which is totally tied
into identity, and they don't
feel that they measure up, then
then feel there's this
meaninglessness and it leads to
tremendous inner conflict and
tremendous confusion and then
people start becoming the
failures that people tell them
that they are. The mind then
changes the reality of the
brain. You spoke, as you
introduced the segment today,
you spoke about how, if our
brains aren't working properly,
then our minds can't express
themselves. Our minds change the
structure of the brain. That's
the power that we have from God,
the mind of Christ. It changes
the structure of the brain.
Therefore if we are going to
think that we are failures, we
change our brain to become a
failure. Our mind is changing
the structure of the brain. The
brain simply does what the mind
tells it to do. KENNETH: Well
you know I ... CAROLINE LEAF:
That is why we have to renew our
mind. KENNETH: I just saw
something. There's something
I've known a long time, but I
just more clearly saw the
process. If you ... You have to
think something before you say
it. CAROLINE LEAF: Exactly. Very
good. KENNETH: Now you keep
saying something, you keep
saying the same thing, again and
again, until it registers in
your spirit, that's you. You are
a spirit. You have a mind. But
if it registers in your spirit,
then it will begin to control
your life, and I just saw how it
controls it. The spirit then
takes the mind and commands it
to produce it. CAROLINE LEAF:
Exactly. The fruit ... KENNETH:
It will produce. CAROLINE LEAF:
It will produce. KENNETH: It
will grow it. CAROLINE LEAF:
Exactly. You've got it. That's
exactly what's happened.
KENNETH: You get the concept of
this when Jesus said the sower
sows the word. These are they by
the wayside where the Word is
sown. He compared it to sowing
plants. He compared it and so.
Well, he compared it to the
earth. CAROLINE LEAF: He did.
KENNETH: What is the kingdom of
God compared to, he said? It is
compared to a man who puts a
seed into the ground. He goes to
bed night and day, rises up. The
seed grows. He doesn't know how
but when the seed produces
harvest, he puts in the sickle
and harvests it. The earth, the
ground, God created the ground
to grow. That's what it does. It
has it in itself to grow.
CAROLINE LEAF: Exactly. KENNETH:
You put something in the ground,
it tries to grow it. That's the
reason, if you put a wooden
fence post in the ground and you
don't do something to treat that
wood, the ground will do its
best to try to grow that. So it
does what it does. It breaks
down the husk of the seed to
allow it to grow. So it will rot
the bottom of that post. I mean
the ground will grow anything
that you stick in there. It will
try its best to grow it. That's
what it does. Now he compared
their spirit to that. CAROLINE
LEAF: That's learning. KENNETH:
It just flashed through me. You
just keep saying that. You just
keep saying that. You just keep
saying that and it finally
registers on your spirit and
your spirit says, all right. We
have to grow that. We have to
bring that to pass. That has to
happen. CAROLINE LEAF: Yeah.
KENNETH: Because that's our
assignment. So it immediately,
immediately transects with the
mind to bring this thing to
pass. You're going to say it
more now. You're going to say it
more. You're going to do things
to advocate that. You're going
to bring this thing to pass, and
it may be a cancer. CAROLINE
LEAF: Exactly. KENNETH: It may
be wealth. It may healing.
Depends on where you get your
information. CAROLINE LEAF: You
create your next reality.
KENNETH: If you renew your mind
to this, you bring this to pass.
CAROLINE LEAF: Exactly. KENNETH:
Whoa. I'm going to preach on
that. Yeah. CAROLINE LEAF: You
know if I may at this time or in
the next episode, next
broadcast, I want to just bring
up a side of my theory, the
research which is exactly what
you just described but it's all
scientific language. Only to
show people, not to go through
all the signs, but to show
people that there is a blend
behind science and spirituality
and that science, I spent my 30
years trying to understand this
principle of when you think and
feel and choose, you grow. You
grow. You are putting that whole
analogy. There's a practical
side to that. Whatever you think
about the most is growing.
Whatever you're focusing on, and
in quantum physics, they
actually have a term called
quantum zeno effect, the QZE.
That's the repeated effort that
makes learning take place.
Memory is also part of what I've
researched and the quantum zeno
effect. What does it mean to
have a repeated effort? What
does it mean, learning's taking
place? What does it mean, you
plant the seed and it grows? So
the whole science behind that,
if you look at an image of my
theory, now that I can bring it
up and show, that essentially I
show that the whole
spirit/mind/body connection and
the response in the brain and as
you're using your mind you are
actually creating this physical
change. You're literally, like
that fence post is growing, the
ground will grow it. You
literally are growing with every
thought that you think. So
whether you like it or not, you
are creating matter out of mind.
You don't treat that wooden
pole, you're growing something.
So you are always growing. When
you think you have grown a
thought that has life forever,
every thought that you grow has
life forever. when it's a toxic
thought, we obviously don't want
evil and toxicity to coexist, so
it has to be reconceptualized.
Hence, acknowledgement,
repentance, redesigning, et
cetera, so we know once I was
like that. Now I'm like that.
KENNETH: Think what an
advantage. CAROLINE LEAF: You're
transformed. KENNETH: We have,
to have, to have been introduced
to Jesus, to know him and now
his blood is affecting the past.
Oh Glory to God. CAROLINE LEAF:
We can actually ... You just
said something so quantum
physicsy that you didn't even
realize it, how the blood
effects the past. There's a
principle called retroactive
causation and all that means is
the blood affects the past.
GLORIA: Retroactive ... CAROLINE
LEAF: Causation. Causation. It's
like retro prayer. It's
literally seeing that in
eternity, the present, the past
and the future coexist and that
as you're praying, as you step
and you're really praying,
catching the Spirit of God,
you're stepping into eternity,
so you're actually transforming
how the future plays out in the
present and how the past is
going to play out into the
future. That's quite a lot to
get your head around, but that's
what eternity's actually doing.
That's what prayer, genuine
prayer's actually doing. It's
not begging God for something
that already exists. It is
accessing the ingredients of
what does exist in potential
form and transforming them into
reality by the words that you
speak, which is based on the
thoughts that you are thinking,
which is based on the power of
the mind of Christ. KENNETH: As
you apply 1 John 1:9 to that,
that he is faithful and just,
righteous to forgive us our
sins. CAROLINE LEAF: And to
cleanse. KENNETH: When we
confess them. CAROLINE LEAF:
Exactly. KENNETH: We're trusting
him with the sins of the past.
CAROLINE LEAF: Exactly. KENNETH:
And to cleanse us from all
unrighteousness. I learned years
ago, years ago, long, long time
ago, that I cannot afford my
feelings. I can't afford to be
led by them. CAROLINE LEAF:
Toxic feelings. Toxic, yeah.
KENNETH: I can't afford to be
led by that. I have to be led by
this, which eventually changes
my feelings. CAROLINE LEAF: The
toxic, yeah. KENNETH: The moment
I believe, I receive that
forgiveness because he's
faithful and just. Not because I
feel better about it, but
because he's faithful and just.
What does that do? Changes my
thoughts. I begin to change my
words, and as I change my words,
faith is released. Whoa.
Hallelujah. The toxic part of
that is just neutralized and ...
CAROLINE LEAF: Totally. KENNETH:
Just moved out. CAROLINE LEAF:
It happens scientifically. When
you're doing what you've just
described, you're taking this
toxic thought. Now we've got all
these trillions of thoughts that
we've been building memories,
from conception. We've got all
these thoughts that are in our
unconscious, and there's so
many. We can't think of them all
at any one time. They get
stimulated by the events of
life. Even right now, I'm
talking, you've got all kinds of
thoughts coming up in your
heads, which is your existing
memories. You use that to
understand what I'm saying,
which you process what I'm
saying from your unique
perception. As soon as something
moves from the unconscious to
the conscious and you become
aware of it, it becomes
malleable, which means
changeable. As you now get a
revelation of the Spirit of
whatever word you use which is
Christian language, what's
happening scientifically is
that, now let me take a good
one. Here comes the scripture
that you've said a million
times. Now you've added a new
branch on because it's a new
level of meaning. You've had
greater insights. KENNETH: And I
have this overwhelming thought
of we're out of time. CAROLINE
LEAF: Oh gosh. Out of time. Can
we not go beyond time? GLORIA:
We're just starting to grow.
KENNETH: I know. CAROLINE
LEAF: That's not fair.
We'll grow again tomorrow.
KENNETH: Praise the Lord.
