

### Interview With Jesus:

### Humility

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller) &

### Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck)

### Session 4

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### This ebook is a transcript of an interview that took place between Jesus (also known as AJ Miller) and Mary Magdalene (also known as Mary Luck) on 29th August 2012 in Wondai, Australia, on the subject of humility. In this interview Jesus and Mary discuss resistance to humility; why we find humility difficult, and ways in which we resist humility, including arrogance, the false ego, judgement and criticism, anger, denial, and hatred and resentment. This interview follows on from "Interview with Jesus: Humility Sesison 1", "Interview with Jesus: Humility Session 2" and "Interview with Jesus: Humility Session 3".

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### Table of Contents

1. Why we find humility difficult

1.1. Reason 1: Self-reliance

1.2. Reason 2: Feeling unable to cope with overwhelming emotion

1.2.1. Not feeling our emotions creates an openness to being manipulated

2. How we resist humility: arrogance

2.1. Arrogance prevents openness to new ideas

2.2. God's Truth about arrogance

2.3. The difficulty of releasing arrogance

3. How we resist humility: the false ego

3.1. Why the false ego state is attractive to maintain

3.2. Reasons for our investment in the façade self

3.2.1. The analogy of our soul lighting fires

3.3. How to break down the façade with courage, integrity and honesty

4. How we resist humility: judgement and criticism

4.1. The example of Divine Truth being labelled a cult by the media

4.2. Reasons that we judge

4.3. Judgement blocks Divine Truth and Divine Love

5. How we resist humility: denial

5.1. The three main types of denial: justification, minimisation and shifting the blame

5.2. Denial of God's Laws

5.2.1. An example of denying the truth about abortion

5.2.2. An example of denying the truth about eating meat

5.3. Resistance to humility creates hypocrisy

5.4. Reasons we are invested in staying in denial

6. How we resist humility: anger with others

6.1. How to release anger

6.1.1. Anger results from pain in the past that we haven't released

7. How we resist humility: hatred and resentment

7.1. Gender differences in the expression of hatred

7.2. How to work through emotions of hatred and resentment

7.3. Hatred can be caused by feelings of superiority in addition to feelings of powerlessness

8. Closing Words

8.1. A lack of humility eventually creates our own death

8.2. The importance of humility

Appendix: Humility Sessions 4-5 Outline

1. Why we find humility difficult

**Mary** : Welcome everyone. Today I'm interviewing Jesus and this is the fourth in our series of interviews about humility. So thanks, babe, for joining me again.

**AJ** : It's my pleasure, darling.

**Mary** : We've spent a few interviews talking about humility and what humility truly is. And I suppose the first question I have for you today is: "Why is it that we, as these beautiful souls created by God, seem to find humility, this beautiful state, so difficult?" [00:01:16.01]

1.1. Reason 1: Self-reliance

**AJ** : Well I think it relates to the primary underlying emotional injury that the whole human race has, and that is this injury of wanting to be self-reliant. As soon as we embrace self-reliance, we go into this state where we desire to do what we wish to do. And if what we wish to do can't be achieved, we then usually start to act in an angry or fear-based manner. Unfortunately that's the underlying main trigger to the reason why we don't have a great deal of humility.

**AJ** : If you look at this injury, it has been around since Amon and Aman were first on the Earth, so it's been with the whole of humanity for tens of thousands of years, and as a result of that it's firmly embedded inside of humankind's nature as an emotional injury. It's the very first emotional injury that's ever been placed inside of another person. And when Amon and Aman had children they had them with this emotional injury, and it's gotten passed down through the generations and built more strongly over that period of time. While that injury is in play, there is a very strong desire to deny any emotion, particularly any emotion that will result from us feeling that we don't have control of our own lives. [00:02:55.02]

**Mary** : Is it a feeling of entitlement to be self-reliant that then causes us to resist?

**AJ** : Yeah. When we focus on self-reliance so much, we become very resistive to humility. And the fact is that the majority of people on the planet are very resistive to any form of humility now as a result. I feel that's the primary reason why.

1.2. Reason 2: Feeling unable to cope with overwhelming emotion

**AJ** : The second reason is that we have these underlying emotions that we can't deal with; there's a feeling in us that we cannot deal with overwhelming emotion. In particular, any time we become overwhelmed by an emotion that's negative we have a tendency to shut down. And this desire has also been with the human race for quite some time because it's related to the issue of self-reliance.

**AJ** : Whenever we become self-reliant and then we do not get what we want, then there are often overwhelming emotions, particularly if we don't get any pleasure and we receive pain. But unfortunately we don't want to feel them. We choose not to feel them because we don't believe that we can cope with overwhelming emotions by ourselves. The reality is that all of humanity can cope with overwhelming emotions, even without God. But the majority of humanity chooses not to and because we choose to not deal with anything that's overwhelming we then shut that down, and that's also a great creator of the lack of humility on the planet.

**AJ** : So it's the combination of what happened with regard to self-reliance and then what happened to our belief systems with regard to whether we can cope with emotion. And as you know, if you look at it even today, every time we speak to a group about emotion, the majority of times, particularly if it's a new group, there's a deep underlying resistance to even addressing the issue. And then if you look at the majority of the criticisms we receive through the media or through public opinion, the majority of criticism is about, "Oh, they're triggering another emotion in a person and this is very damaging and dangerous," as if feeling emotion is actually a dangerous thing. [00:05:22.17]

1.2.1. Not feeling our emotions creates an openness to being manipulated

**Mary** : And it implies a vulnerability in a person to harm or manipulation.

**AJ** : Exactly, which I find ironic in a way because I actually believe that if you don't release your underlying emotional injuries, that is when you are highly able to be manipulated. In fact you open yourself completely to manipulation when you try to deny an emotion such as fear for example. Also when you deny emotions such as grief you become highly manipulated, you are very much involved in addictions. As long as somebody can meet your addictions then you're very satisfied and it's so easy to manipulate a person in that state. So the reality is that what mankind fears is actually the thing that they need in order to become less manipulated and controlled by their environment, and particularly by others. And so I find it very ironic in some ways that the very thing that they're afraid of is what will free them from any kind of addictive manipulation. [00:06:24.15]

**Mary** : Yeah. Could you just give a brief example of how when we avoid our emotion we're most open to manipulation?

**AJ** : Let's say we avoid our emotion of being lonely. This is a big emotion that many people have, a fear of being alone, a fear of being lonely. When we avoid that emotion we then need people to be with us. And we need them to be with us so much that if they were going to reject our opinion we would then not state our opinion in order to maintain the relationship with the person. So we have to deny our own opinion for the sake of someone staying with us and therefore helping us to keep feeling like we're not lonely anymore.

**AJ** : If we could just go through the loneliness feeling and come out the other end of it not feeling lonely, even when we are alone, then anybody who's with us would always get our true opinions and we would be our complete self. But the reality is that most people on the planet are not their complete self because they are very afraid of somebody or even a whole group of people eventually rejecting them, or attacking them, and then they'll end up feeling alone, and they feel they can't cope with that feeling. So they finish up shutting themselves down in order to maintain contact with the people that they feel they would like to have contact with.

**AJ** : Now, any person in their environment can manipulate them with this 'lonely' threat. If I have an opinion that you don't agree with and I also have a feeling of loneliness that I'm so frightened of feeling, then you can manipulate me quite easily by just threatening to leave me. I will not let myself have my own opinion when I'm with you if I am very afraid of you leaving me. This then opens me completely to manipulation by you. And this is where the irony of self-reliance is. I become more self-reliant and in the process in the end I become more dependent upon other people for the substitute of these emotions.

**AJ** : Many of the things we'll talk about today are about addictions really. I feel it's the addictions that are in play and that cause so much trouble in terms of our own future development with regard to being ourselves. We're so afraid of expressing ourselves emotionally, which is what humility is really all about, being real emotionally, along with other things of course. Being the real emotional self; everything that we feel on display. If we're so afraid of what another person believes or feels about our real emotional self, then of course we're going to shut that down automatically. This creates an internal resistance. We can't really say that other people around us are creating the resistance; we are creating the resistance by not allowing ourselves to feel overwhelmed by the emotion that would be caused if I was just myself.

2. How we resist humility: arrogance

**Mary** : Okay, and that is the purpose of our discussion today, to talk about the resistance to humility. We talked a lot about what it really is, but now I'd like to really delve into how we resist humility. What are some of the ways we resist humility? Because obviously most of us are walking around in a state that isn't humble.

**AJ** : Yes. I suppose the one that first comes to mind is what you could say is the opposite to humility, which is the feeling of arrogance. I feel that we could probably start with that one.

**Mary** : Great. So what is arrogance?

**AJ** : Well, arrogance is a feeling that exists inside of a person that they are better than another person, that they are superior to the other person, that they know more than the other person. That their value, their personal value or worth, is greater than the other person's. And of course this comes out in lots of different ways. If somebody feels that skin colour is related to how good or bad they are, then of course it turns into what we call racism. That's just an arrogance towards a person of a particular race because, "I believe I'm white and therefore I believe I'm better than a person who's black." But it also comes in other forms in life.

**AJ** : If we look at religion, sometimes a person who gains a specific religion then has an arrogance towards a person of another type of religion. And I even see this developing amongst the so-called Divine Love community, where they have an arrogance because they now know God's Truth about things, and that then automatically makes them better than somebody else. It actually does not make them better. In fact in a lot of ways it can make them worse, particularly if they do not follow the principles of the teachings of love. They can display a lack of love towards others through their arrogance and actually degrade their condition, even though they know the truth. [00:11:59.11]

**AJ** : So the emotion of arrogance can come out in all sorts of areas; religiously, politically, socially, environmentally, and racially. And we see arrogance in our society in almost every area or walk of life. The religious people are arrogant towards the scientists and the scientists feel arrogant towards the religious people. And some religions feel more arrogant towards one type of religion than another. You also get the same kind of arrogance occurring in the family, where parents generally have a large degree of arrogance towards their children. They have a feeling of ownership over their children, that they are superior to their children. And this arrogance causes them to act in all sorts of unloving ways towards even their own children. So arrogance is a big block towards humility. [00:12:49.05]

**Mary** : I know you've just said that arrogance is really like the opposite of humility but a lot of people feel that it's right to have an opinion and to believe in that opinion. How does that relate to arrogance?

**AJ** : Well I do feel that it is right to have an opinion. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion that you believe you have gathered over a period of your life and that you've come to a certain acknowledgment of. It's when these opinions make you believe that you are better than another person that it turns into arrogance. So it's one thing to have an opinion but it's quite another to believe that that opinion makes you a better person than another. And remember I said that with arrogance, and in fact everything we'll discuss today, they're all feelings, they're not just words; they're actually feelings that we have inside of us that are projected towards the other.

**AJ** : So I can have an arrogant feeling towards yourself, even though I might know more. Let's say I know more about electronics than you do, which is true, and you know more about the occupational health industry than I do. That's the reality. If I believe, because I know more about electronics than you do, that that makes me better than you are, now I'm having a feeling inside of me of superiority over you and that feeling is the feeling of arrogance that we're speaking of. That feeling is the damaging feeling because it is actually an attack on the other person. It's a projection of condescension and other emotions towards the other person. You're actually telling the other person through your soul-based feeling interaction with them that they are less than you are.

**AJ** : It is very damaging to your soul personally when you do that but it's also very damaging to the soul who receives that arrogance, particularly if they're very young, because they will come to believe they are less than you are. This is very damaging to them. We know that the issue of self-worth on the planet is very bad and causes so much trouble. The reason why it does is that there's so much arrogance projected at people when they're very, very young, so they grow up feeling like they don't have any worth. And then they wonder why they act like they don't have any worth. Of course they're going to act like they don't have any worth because that's the feeling they have inside of them.

**AJ** : We must remember with all these things we've described, it's a feeling of arrogance that we have towards the other person, a feeling of superiority, a feeling of condescension, a feeling that I am better than the other person just because of what I know, or just because of what I have learned, or just because I am older, or just because I am a different colour. We could make a long list of reasons that cause this underlying emotion. It's very damaging to our soul and in fact causes a lot of people to arrive in the spirit world in a lot of darkness, this emotion of arrogance. In addition the problem with the emotion of arrogance is that it causes people to stay in their condition because they believe themselves to be right, not knowing that they're actually wrong or even being open to the idea that they might be wrong. [00:16:16.13]

2.1. Arrogance prevents openness to new ideas

**Mary** : And that's what I was about to ask you about; how does it affect our openness to new ideas? I'm supposing it closes us completely.

**AJ** : Completely. Every time a new idea is presented to us, if it's something that would make us feel small or something that would make us feel like we have to give up something that we have as a strongly held opinion about, then we will refuse to do it. We will just straight-out refuse. And I've seen people be very illogical in their arrogance. It is one of the most illogical emotions you can imagine, where people hold onto an opinion. Many people would know this from the opinions of racism, for example. The reality is that we are all people. That is very obvious. The reality is that we can procreate with each other, people of different races, so that would make us all the same. And the arrogant position that one race is better than another is so illogical. Just the illogicality of it renders the idea or concept of racism stupid.

**AJ** : And yet how many people are racist? There are literally millions of people on this planet who are still racist, holding on to this concept that is obviously false but they have some kind of emotional baggage that causes them to hold onto the concept, a desire to feel superior or greater than another.

**AJ** : I feel a lot of the different movies have indicated these kinds of things. Remember the movie "American Beauty" where the next door neighbour, who was arrogant towards any homosexual, ended up feeling homosexual feelings himself? And yet he was so afraid of them, and so overwhelmed by them that he eventually desired to murder his neighbour, because of the fear of the emotion. This is the kind of thing that happens on the planet with arrogance.

**AJ** : In the first century and all throughout our life in the last 2000 years, we've both seen that almost everything that has been damaging on the planet has this underlying emotion of arrogance as a part of it. [00:18:33.07]

2.2. God's Truth about arrogance

**Mary** : Yeah, certainly. Okay. Well the next set of questions is about God and arrogance. So how does our viewpoint of ourselves when we're arrogant conflict with God's viewpoint or God's Truth?

**AJ** : If we think about it with arrogance, we're setting ourselves up above God. This is the issue of self-reliance too; we're basically setting ourselves up above God. We're basically wanting the universe to conform to everything we want it to do and in our self-reliance we are completely happy to have anything in the universe do exactly what we want. But we don't understand the principle that actually God's Laws are greater than we ourselves are. In fact God's Laws govern us, and we become lawless when we're arrogant. We believe that we are beyond a law. If you look at almost all forms of arrogance, whether it's racism, or some other kind of arrogance, you always see that a person who is a racist believes they are above the law, even above the law of other humankind, let alone God's Laws. [00:19:46.05]

**Mary** : Yeah, I can see that in myself with issues of authority. In the past I felt, and I see it now as an arrogance, that because of baggage I have with authority that I can defy authority or that rules don't apply to me; the rules of the world, the common law on the planet, that's it's okay to bend that rule. And that's a form of arrogance really.

**AJ** : It is, yeah. This whole concept that we should be able to bend all of the laws to suit ourselves comes from this underlying arrogance. Even when we decide that we can speed when the speed limit is a certain speed, that is also an arrogant position. We're making the decision above what the law has made or a group of people in common have made. Now if we are going to take that position we're going to need to make sure that we're really in harmony with God's Laws if we're not going to damage our soul. Unfortunately most of the time we're not in harmony with God's Laws, and as a result of that our condition rapidly gets worse. [00:20:56.22]

2.3. The difficulty of releasing arrogance

**Mary** : How difficult is arrogance to release from ourselves, from our soul, if it's a very common injury?

**AJ** : I feel it's a very hard emotion to release from the soul. It comes from a lot of very deep fear relating to our own sense of worth, and how we are challenged by other people around us and other situations around us with regard to our sense of worth. Any emotion that has as its core an underlying feeling of a lack of worth is going to be quite difficult to release. Of course we only become arrogant when we are resistive to that underlying emotion. The reality is that while we maintain arrogance, we almost have this underlying feeling of justification of our position. And that is the hard thing to get rid of, justifying our own unloving position, in particular when we believe we're right. That is a very, very difficult thing to then get rid of, when we actually believe that our own unloving position is correct.

**AJ** : Perhaps I can give an example. Most people on the planet would say that if somebody killed your son or daughter, then you should have the right to kill their son or daughter. Now this is a position of what they believe to be justice, and it comes from the underlying principle of an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life. Now most people would argue that it is fine to actually have this viewpoint; "They shouldn't have killed my son in the first place and so now I should be able to take the action of killing theirs." [00:22:47.12]

**Mary** : Their son or them.

**AJ** : Yeah, or them. And the reality is that this is not a very logical belief because if I kill your son and then you kill my son in the end we've both lost a son and we're still both tremendously unhappy about losing our sons. Killing yours hasn't made the loss of my son go away. So it's a very illogical belief but I am taking it because I have this arrogant position that justice is demanded. Now when I start to see that justice is not actually a loving position, I become very challenged. I want to argue that justice is a loving position and once I release the emotion of arrogance that I believe justice is the loving position, I come to see how illogical this sense of justice is and therefore how unloving it must be. But until that point in time I don't see it.

**AJ** : And so I sort of see the hard parts of arrogance are that you're holding on to a concept within yourself that you believe to be right and you have some very, very large emotional investments in it being right. Any person who's a racist, for example, has a very large emotional reason inside of themselves, or is denying an emotion inside of themselves, as to why they want to hold on to that position. Releasing the emotion requires a lot of sincerity, and a lot of desire for love, a lot of desire for truth, and a lot of desire to actually get to the underlying core emotion. [00:24:32.24]

**Mary** : Is that why arrogance would develop in a person? Because of resistance to an underlying emotion?

**AJ** : Always. You know every one of these resistances that we talk about with humility all relate to our desire to get away from an actual emotion that we are carrying around inside of our soul, and we're afraid of being overwhelmed by that emotion. That's the only reason we then develop qualities like arrogance or pride or many of these other qualities we'll discuss.

**Mary** : Okay. And you mentioned that it's something that darkens our souls quite a bit.

**AJ** : Yes because the problem with arrogance is that it's aimed towards another person. There are some resistances to humility that we have inside of us that are more aimed towards ourselves. For example, a lack of self worth is a resistance to humility but it's aimed towards ourselves. We feel bad, we deprecate our self, we treat ourselves badly, but we're not actually harming another person on top of that generally, or oftentimes we're not harming them as much. The degradation to our own soul is only related to our own treatment of ourselves rather than both to our treatment of ourselves and to another. We are not creating a huge amount of harm to others generally, as much as we would be if we were, say, in an arrogant position.

**AJ** : This then means that there are certain groups of emotions that are resistances to humility that actually double our damage up because we're damaging ourselves and another person or the environment around us. There are other emotions that we're holding on to that are just to do with ourselves, and therefore we're only damaging ourselves and therefore it has less of a negative impact upon our soul. Arrogance is one of those emotions that causes a huge amount of darkness in the soul. [00:26:28.16]

3. How we resist humility: the false ego

**Mary** : Alright, well perhaps something a little bit more about ourselves; this issue of the ego or the false ego. Is that a resistance to humility?

**AJ** : Let's define true ego versus false ego, shall we? I feel that people use the term ego on Earth to mean something that is a facade that we carry around with us, a false facade. But the reality is that if you look at the origin of the word it just means soul, the real self. If we look at true ego, that is to have a concept of your true self, there's no damage in doing that. That's exactly what God wants you to do. But if we look at this false ego, which is the ego terminology that most people on the planet use today, we're now referring to the desire to create and maintain a facade, to not be real with other people around us. I would say that the ego is the facade self, if you like, under that definition. The false ego is equal to what we've discussed with people before - the facade self, the facade self being the person that we create, that has been created so that we can deny the real self and deny the hurt or injured self that our parents created. To me that is the false ego of a person, and maintaining that can cause a huge number of problems with humility. [00:28:09.07]

**Mary** : Why does it create problems with humility?

**AJ** : There are probably many reasons why it creates problems with humility. If you define being humble as being your real self emotionally at all times, in other words being truthful to your real self emotionally at all times, then of course if we're maintaining a facade at all times, or most of the time, then most of the time we're not being humble at all and therefore it's impossible for us to get to any causal emotion. We're blocking God, we're blocking the truth, and we're blocking love from entering our soul because God's Love can only enter our soul when we are in a state of truth. And we're only going to be in a state of truth when we walk away from our facade and we start getting into the real person that we are. What do we really feel? So it's a huge impediment to our relationship with God, and our relationship with ourselves even. But it's also a huge impediment to our relationship with everyone else because everyone else starts interacting with the facade. And the problem with them interacting with the facade is that they never get to see our real self and really they're reacting with a person who doesn't exist. At some point in the future they'll come to realise that the person they were reacting with wasn't even the person that they believed them to be, and so sooner or later everybody, including ourselves, is going to be very disappointed with the outcome when we're living in this false ego-based facade. [00:29:48.19]

3.1. Why the false ego state is attractive to maintain

**Mary** : Then why is this state so attractive to so many of us?

**AJ** : There are some very basic and important reasons why it's attractive. The first thing is that when we're in a facade, we do not have to confront society. In other words we don't have to act differently to what other people want us to be. And of course this is a way to prevent all forms of attack; it's a way to prevent all forms of grief. It's a way to prevent projections coming at us personally that we are not good enough or not what everyone wants us to be. It has huge motivations when you think about it. We're basically trying to become what the people who we associate mostly with in society view as the acceptable person.

**AJ** : If I associate with a whole group of New Agers, then the society-based facade will be my becoming the ideal New Age person. If I'm associating with a group of born-again Christians, then my facade is going to be that I'm going to become the ideal born-again Christian. While I am that, I will be accepted by that particular group of people. If I'm living in a ghetto somewhere in one of the countries that have many of these, and almost every country has them, and then my facade will be tough. If I'm a male I'm a tough guy who's not afraid to get into a fight here and there; that's my facade.

**AJ** : My facade, what is acceptable, is going to be very, very dependent upon my immediate environment. The irony is that society as a whole may reject my facade but as long as I'm getting my addictions met through my immediate society, my immediate associations, then I'll maintain a facade for as long as I want to maintain it because it doesn't confront any of those people. And you look at what happens when we try to get out of our facade in that environment, you get attacked immensely by the people in your immediate environment. Even though other people in the world may agree with your changes, you're going to get attacked as a result because your immediate society want you to maintain this facade because that's the facade they're also maintaining.

**AJ** : If you look at that, there's the society-based confrontation, then there's the family-based confrontation. Now most of our facade comes from family in some way. So if I begin confronting and breaking down my facade, I'm really confronting and breaking down all of the family-based belief systems. Of course if my family is not able to be confronted with any emotion, they are going to react very negatively to that. They're going to become very strongly opposed to my breaking down not only my own facade but really by breaking down my facade I'm also breaking down theirs. And many of them feel that that's happening without their choice. Obviously they can choose to ignore it but they don't feel that way because they feel it as a personal attack upon their way of life. And now you're going to have huge amounts of rejection emotions being projected at you from your family; you'll probably end up feeling alone in your family once you continue doing this.

**AJ** : If you look at the dynamic, what's really going on with regard to the false ego is that we are maintaining this false ego-based facade so that society is not confronted, so that the family is not confronted, and so that I am not confronted by society and family by choosing to be my real self. There's a huge amount of emotional investment in maintaining a facade. [00:34:01.08]

3.2. Reasons for our investment in the façade self

**Mary** : In the last interview we discussed how humility involves being the real self, and you're saying the facade is what's covering our real self. Are my blocks to being real just the addictions I have to other people's good opinion of me, this investment in avoiding the confrontation that you just mentioned? Is there more?

**AJ** : That's the top layer of the problem; the underneath layer is that I'm invested in what you think of me because if you don't think well of me I will have certain emotions to feel, and they're the emotions I want to avoid. So then I have a lot of selfish reasons for trying to get your good opinion. My selfish reasons for attempting to get your good opinion (and by maintaining a facade I might get that good opinion) is that I get to avoid what it would feel like if you attacked me. So I have a personal emotional investment in not being attacked, right, that's my personal emotional investment.

**AJ** : And it's not just about gaining the good opinion of others; that's the top layer. The underneath layer is how much I want to avoid the bad opinion because of how it makes me feel and because I'm afraid to feel those feelings. If I were not afraid to feel those feelings then I would have no investment. But the reality is that because I'm afraid to feel those feelings I'm now very focused on getting those feelings met and avoiding the feelings that are actually inside of me. I'm still carrying them around; they're still in me. I carry them around wherever I go. Ironically God's Law of Attraction, based upon my soul condition, is going to attract certain events where people do treat me badly and then I'll obviously react in some way. A lot of times I'll react with arrogance or anger, the previous emotion, because I'm trying to avoid the confrontation of those particular emotions.

3.2.1. The analogy of our soul lighting fires

**AJ** : Ironically though, my soul is going around creating all these fires; it's creating all the fires because of the emotions in me. Then I go running around putting them out by conciliatory actions, being what everybody around me wants, even if it means completely shutting myself down or acting in a manner that's completely out of harmony with my own ideals, and I do all of that because I want to avoid the feelings that are being triggered inside of me, not because I want to avoid the feelings that are inside of you. [00:36:47.00]

**AJ** : Through my action I'm avoiding the feelings that are inside of me that have been created by you attacking those particular feelings or positions. I need to start seeing these problems not as somebody else's problem. They are my problems. My willingness to have a lack of integrity is all about my problem. It's not about somebody else's problem. You could have a hundred people attacking you; if you have integrity you will allow a hundred people to attack you and just feel your feelings. And if you look historically at all of the people who are respected on the planet generally, at some stage they were people who have been attacked and yet remained firm about their position of love without being arrogant. [00:37:39.03]

**Mary** : For sure. And just rewinding a little, you said, "We're going around making fires and then trying to put them out." This dynamic of making the fire and then putting it out, is it our real self that's making the fire? What is the dynamic that's happening there?

**AJ** : It's a combination of our hurt self and our facade that is creating these fires, and in fact our soul is going to continue creating these fires because that's the way God created the Law of Attraction. The Law of Attraction is such that our soul, when it's out of harmony with love, will create negative events or circumstances or situations which will then bring to us those events or situations so that we can see what our true condition is like. So our soul's going to continue creating all these fires and then we take actions to put them out. And ironically we don't deal with the emotion that created them.

**AJ** : It's almost like somebody's going around with a match lighting all these fires, which is us really in our soul, and then somebody deciding that the best way to stop that from happening is to go around after them with a watering can, rather than the take the box of matches off of them. And the reality is that we do this with ourselves constantly where we're around lighting the fires, not stopping and thinking, "Well hang on a sec, the matches are in my hand; the lighter is in my hand. Maybe I need to put down the matches and work on the underlying reason why I've picked up the matches and started lighting these fires."

**AJ** : And really that's what we're doing by maintaining the false facade. We're trying to make ourselves look good to the environment, and remember every environment's got a different requirement so it's going to be pretty hard to make ourselves look good to everyone. In addition, our soul is going to be creating the fires because if we want to make ourselves look good it's because we have some injuries about ourselves and those underlying injuries will be creating the fire. And then we run around putting them all out, just in terms of taking actions to put them out, not understanding that the whole thing is very uneconomical. The best approach is to take the box of matches off ourselves, stop lighting the fires and look at the underlying soul causal reasons inside of ourselves that have caused our souls to create these fires.

**AJ** : Now that's what we would do if we weren't so interested in the ego. We would automatically do that. But when we're interested in this false ego, we don't do that. We decide to run around putting out the fires because we want to continue maintaining this false ego for a number of reasons. We want to look good to other people but we also want to look good to ourselves, make out that we're something different to what we are. In addition we get to avoid the painful emotions that are inside of us as well; we have so many investments in keeping it. [00:40:51.10]

**Mary** : It just strikes me as you're speaking, that it's like God is operating on the soul and those two things are lighting fires and then this facade part of us is just trying to work against the whole process, which I suppose is the definition of a lack of humility isn't it?

**AJ** : Well it's also the definition of stupidity really, if you think about it! What's the point of doing that? And the irony is that because most people don't understand the soul, they don't understand what's creating all these fires. But if they had a look at what was inside of their soul they could easily see the correlation between what their soul actually feels and why the person is responding in the manner that they are. [00:41:36.14]

**Mary** : It sounds like every time there's a fire in my life I need to stop trying to damp down the flames and really see what is being presented to me here.

**AJ** : Yes. Very important. In fact if I had any sense of myself I would want to do that. I wouldn't want to try and make out that it didn't happen. As you know we've often talked in groups where somebody says to us, "No, I know all of that." And I say to them, "Well, you say you know all of that but what happened to you last week?" Because often I know what happened to them last week; they had this terrible traumatic thing happen. "Oh but that was because everybody else..." you know, "...that's because what everybody else did," not understanding that their own soul has created fires.

**AJ** : So when they come and tell me then that they already know everything that I'm talking about, I'm saying, "I'm sorry, you think you know, which is actually an arrogant position, and on top of that you are maintaining a facade because the reality is that your soul is creating these fires that you're not even acknowledging." (Laughs) It's like, light the fire, "Oh, there's no fire!" Light another fire, "Oh there's no fire." (Laughs) "No fire, no fire!" And this is how in our own arrogance and sense of ego we have this way of ignoring everything as a result. And then we tell somebody who comes along and speaks to us about it, "Oh, I know everything you're talking about." And I would say to the person, "Well if you knew everything I was talking about not only would you be at-one with God right now but your soul wouldn't be creating fires every single day of the week either." [00:43:11.20]

3.3. How to break down the façade with courage, integrity and honesty

**Mary** : That really leads to my next question, which was if I, or we, discover, "Okay I'm in this facade," how do I begin to get closer to my real self? How do I begin to work through this issue?

**AJ** : Well again this is a very difficult thing for most people because to actually be self-reflective it requires some level of honesty at the beginning. We need to start asking ourselves questions about ourselves, to ask, "What is the truth of my life? Am I truly happy? Is my body feeling good? Am I getting younger? Am I getting wiser? Am I acting in harmony with love in all of my interactions with people? Is my life happier?" These are all questions we need to ask ourselves. And if they are not, if it's not happening then it's because there is something that we are blocking. It's something that is going on inside of ourselves.

**AJ** : We need to stop presenting ourselves to the world in the manner that we want the world to see and we need to start presenting ourselves to everyone as we truly are. That requires a lot of qualities that the majority of us don't have initially, which are courage, integrity, honesty. These are qualities that are often spoken of but very few people actually have when it comes to living in their facade. My suggestion is to pray about gaining qualities of integrity, courage, honesty, truthfulness, pray to God about developing a desire within ourselves to develop these qualities, even if nobody on the planet develops them other than ourselves. [00:45:03.10]

**AJ** : Engage that process of developing these qualities so that we can at least have an honest examination of ourselves. That's what I feel needs to happen with regard to that. Obviously as we go through that we will start exposing some underlying fears and addictions that we have that cause us to maintain that facade. But we won't be able to do that if we're completely ignorant of our own condition and what we're actually attracting in our own life.

**Mary** : So it sounds like we have to begin to want to look honestly at ourselves. From what you said, look at the evidence already around us in terms of what is in our life right now.

**AJ** : Yes.

**Mary** : And what that tells me about me, rather than about other people.

**AJ** : Yes. If we took it as a global problem, which it is, then we would reason like this. The world has a lot of very, very dark problems at the moment. We go to war, there are murders, there are rapes, there are very dark things happening on the Earth all the time. There are people starving to death. There are millions of people starving to death every single year. These are all global problems. Now if I am self-reflective, I will begin to see how I myself and emotions inside of me create these global problems. The fact that these global problems exist means that we haven't got everything sorted out.

**AJ** : Now if everybody other than me is the problem then that would mean that there's seven billion people on the planet all thinking that it's somebody else that causes the problem. The reality is, it's got to be the seven billion people on the planet who are causing the problem. If we examine that from a global perspective then, yes, the seven billion people on the planet are causing these problems, therefore we haven't got everything sorted out and therefore our facade is pretty useless, it's not actually working, and while we're in denial of these problems we're not going to fix anything.

**AJ** : Now let's shrink that down to our personal life. The same applies to an even greater degree in our personal life. If our personal life has a huge group of issues and problems and our own body has problems with it, then there is even a higher correlation between our own unhealed emotions and our own belief systems and our own desires and our own actions creating our life; we are the person who's the centre of our own life. It would then make sense from a logical perspective that if our life is a bit of a mess then we are the person at the centre of it who's creating it. And we need to see that, particularly in an environment like in most places in the West. In other countries we have Western countries imposing things upon them and often a person's life gets a bit out of their own control because of the imposition. In comparison, in Western countries most of us don't have a huge group of impositions and so the reality is that if we're in the West and we believe that we're all healed emotionally and we've all got everything sorted out, then it is a gross, gross lie that we're telling ourselves if in addition we're not going to examine our own life.

**AJ** : Remember the discussion we had when we were in the USA about "The Human Soul - Denial & Addictions?" We went out to dinner with a group of people and they were in a great deal of denial about their own emotions and how their own emotions create a lot of the decisions that the government was taking, and once we started talking about it how challenged everybody was, like, "Whoa!" There were heavy emotions after that. This is the kind of self-examination that we're going to need if we're in a facade. [00:49:04.05]

**Mary** : Thank you. Alright, so far we've talked about arrogance and facade. What would be next on your list?

**AJ** : Well, there's so many, isn't there?

**Mary** : Yes. I have one on the list that we can bring up, judgement and criticism, which I think is an interesting one that perhaps we don't always associate with a lack of humility.

4. How we resist humility: judgement and criticism

**AJ** : Yeah. Judgement and criticism. These are actually very similar to arrogance in a lot of ways.

**Mary** : How would you define judgement for us?

**AJ** : Well again, judgement is an emotion that's coming out of me. It's not anything to do with what I am saying. I can be telling the truth in a loving way or I can tell the truth in a judgemental way. If it's a judgemental way, I have an emotion coming out of me towards the other person that I am superior to them, that I know better than they do and so forth. In fact a judgement is a lot about my opinion of the other person's worth. When I am in a state where I am judging, I have a strong opinion inside of myself that I am more worthy than the other person. It might be a particular issue but it could be on a whole group of issues. Sometimes it's on a group of issues where I believe that everything to do with my being is more worthy than somebody else's.

**AJ** : Now that's an emotion which is quite a damaging projection at the other person. It's belittling, condescending. It's causes us to have an obnoxious viewpoint towards other people. It's creates a sense in them that they are lesser or it attempts to create a sense in another person that they are lesser than I am. And it allows me to maintain a sense of personal superiority. In other words, by judging you I can maintain a sense that I am better than you. And of course judgement has huge problems when it comes to humility of course.

**AJ** : Criticism is closely aligned and again, we've got to be careful; criticism is an emotion. It's not a statement. You see I can make a statement of truth, and the statement of truth can be, for example, "Do you like these flowers?" (AJ motions to a vase of flowers on the interview table) And my feeling is, "Yeah I love those flowers. A lot of them look like Australian natives, and many of them appeal to me colour-wise and everything." "Are they dying?" "Yes. They are dying. They've been cut and they're dying." And to be frank I don't understand why people want to cut flowers because they immediately begin dying. Honestly. I'd much rather see them alive for a longer period of time. [00:52:52.10]

**AJ** : Now, my statement that they're dying is not a judgement or a criticism, it is just a statement of truth. They are dying. But somebody could take that to be a statement of judgement or criticism. In other words if they gave me the flowers, and they were a nice bright bunch and I said, "You've given me a heap of dying things now," which is a statement of truth, they might take that as a rejection of their gift, which they've now taken as a criticism, even though I don't mean it to be such. It's just a statement of truth.

**AJ** : So it depends upon the giver, and this is where it's very, very difficult for most people to determine judgement and criticism because most people feel criticised or judged even when you're just stating the truth. This is not what I'm speaking of. I'm not speaking of when we're just stating the truth without any emotional intention behind it. What I'm speaking of with judgement and criticism is a desire to make the other person feel something as a result of the statement, which is a very different condition.

**AJ** : If I'm saying, "They're dying," and it's just a statement of truth, well that's a statement of truth. But if I'm saying, "I'm pointing out to you that they're dying because I want to criticise that you cut them," and I want to actually make you feel bad about cutting them, rather than just examine the truth about why you cut them, then I'm straight away now involved in a feeling of judgement from myself. It's a feeling that comes out of me. And unfortunately most people are not very sensitive to feelings and so they don't know when the feeling is coming out of the person when they're just stating the truth. So this sort of muddies the waters a bit when it comes to this emotion. [00:54:49.15]

**Mary** : It does, doesn't it? And sometimes it feels like you can have what appears to be a subtle exchange with someone that can be laden with judgements, can't it? It can be overt or it can be very underhanded, but in both cases I'm assuming you're talking about the emotion that's coming out?

**AJ** : Yes. We see the underhanded judgements very much occurring in families but also in society. For example, we've had many things written about us now and one of the judgements is that we're a cult. Now it's not a statement of truth. You and I don't lead anything. We live in our own property. We don't have anybody living with us. We don't monitor anybody's life to see whether they're practicing the principles of Divine Truth that we teach. We don't attack them if they aren't. We don't give them all of these lovely feelings when they are. [00:55:52.00]

**Mary** : We don't threaten them.

**AJ** : We don't threaten with the removal of our love. The only times that we remove ourselves from spending time with a person is when they've been unloving to us. We have no levels of control whatsoever. And pretty much anybody who comes and visits us sees that.

4.1. The example of Divine Truth being labelled a cult by the media

**AJ** : But if you look at what the media does, the word "cult" has a connotation. It's not just a statement of truth for the media, it's actually a way to give an impression to a reader. It's a purposeful manipulation of truth to inflame an emotion in the reader, in this case.

**AJ** : For example, in many newspaper articles I'm referred to as "Miller. In other words I don't even have enough of the respect of the person who's the writing the article for them to use my first name. I'm rarely called "Mr Miller", or "Mr Alan John Miller", but rather I'm just called "Miller," and this is another judgement coming out of them. The statement of my name is just a statement of truth; my last name happens to be Miller, but the attitude coming out of them is that I do not deserve any form of respect, which is how they feel. And that's how they treat me when they interview me.

**AJ** : The emotion coming out of them is an emotion of judgement. It helps a person maintain their own arrogance, their own position. It helps them maintain the feeling that they are superior, so they then feel the right to pull down another. People that we've met in the media thus far (and I'm not saying that all people in the media are potentially like that, but we haven't met anybody that isn't at this point) have this strong desire to pull down all the time. In fact we see this happening with other people all the time. They write these big articles pulling down something, but when they're proven to be false and they've been sued or something like that for being false, they write this little tiny correction in the 28th page of the paper that nobody can see, when they spent the whole front page pulling down the person. This is an indication of their underlying desire; their underlying desire is to judge, but not to tell the truth. A person who has a desire to tell the truth would tell the truth whether they were happy about the truth or not. [00:58:32.07]

**AJ** : If a person came and examined our lives they'd see that we don't rip people off; we don't impose our feelings upon them. We don't do any of those things. And while they might personally be unhappy about that because it makes their story a lot less flamboyant and a lot less inflammatory, they would still be happy to tell the truth. That's what judgement does; judgement helps us avoid the truth. Judgement is a great way to step away from truth, to get away with actions that are very, very damaging to society and individuals just because we want to maintain a position of falsehood most of the time.

4.2. Reasons that we judge

**Mary** : My next question is, "What makes us judge? Not just judge others but judge ourselves. I see many people have an issue with judgement and criticism of self, so what drives us to this injury?"

**AJ** : Well, as for all of these injuries, most of them began in our childhood in some way. There can be a combination of things gathered in our childhood that has caused us to begin to judge others. Sometimes a family has this perception that their family is the best family, and then, because they maintain this perception with their children, they actually inculcate into their children this concept that, "Our family is better than any other family. Our beliefs are better than anybody else's beliefs. The way we live our life is better than the way anybody else lives their life. That's makes us better people." There's this underlying feeling that is present. Now this underlying feeling builds in the child and they then begin to act upon this underlying feeling that they are better than other people. And of course they will not avoid judging other people as a result.

**AJ** : The other thing that causes judgement is almost the entire opposite set of circumstances in our childhood, which is where other people have judged us and criticised us and pulled us down and denigrated us and treated us badly in our childhood, and this then causes us to have this rebellious attitude towards their judgement by judging them in return, by having a kick-back reaction to their judgement. As a result we grow up actually judging the things that are inside of ourselves.

**AJ** : In addition in our childhood we were often judged whenever we expressed an emotion. Whenever we expressed an emotion that was out of harmony with the family or society viewpoint that was surrounding us at the time, we were immediately attacked. And so judgement actually comes from a large degree of fear inside of us about personal attack upon ourselves. When we are attacking another, we get away from being attacked ourselves. And if we, as a group, attack another, we have a large degree of acceptance in the group towards ourselves not being attacked. Often judgement actually comes from a deep underlying fear of our own attack, our own lack of safety, and our own lack of security.

**AJ** : You see this happening all the time in the world too, where eventually judgement turns into war. For example, all through the Dark Ages judgement turned into religious persecution because eventually they turned around to this viewpoint, "Because I judged you, I could now condemn you." I could now mete out justice, what I believe was my form of justice towards you. If you happened to be speaking to spirits, and I heard you, and I was a religious persecutor at the time, I would have condemned you as a witch and given you one way to test it, and the way would end up in your death if you were innocent, and if you weren't innocent you'd be killed anyway. Not very much of a choice but that would be the judgement that I mete out. [01:03:06.06]

**AJ** : Once we get involved in judging another, we actually also get involved in condemning another. And it's not very far from that before we'll begin murdering others, where we'll be involved in physically harming other people. [01:03:21.00]

**Mary** : It's quite sobering.

**AJ** : Yeah. I suppose what we need to do is look at how it relates to humility. The whole reason we're doing this is to avoid our own feelings about others attacking us. And we're avoiding our own feelings of superiority that we have over other people. In the end we're avoiding our own feelings of how much less we feel, our own sense of worth. There are many emotions that we're avoiding and getting away with just by judging somebody. [01:03:55.20]

4.3. Judgement blocks Divine Truth and Divine Love

**Mary** : How does judgement relate to our seeing and speaking truth?

**AJ** : Well fear and truth are complete polar opposites. Fear is false expectations masquerading as truth, or you could say, false expectations appearing real; they are masquerading as truth. And truth is completely the opposite. Truth is Divine Truth, absolute, unable to be modified. Now judgement is a fear-based emotion. While I'm in a state of maintaining a fear-based emotion, it's impossible for me to see truth. This is what judgement also causes us to do. It causes us to not be able to see truth. So it's very, very damaging.

**AJ** : If we think about our relationship with God, we've got humility as the foundation of our relationship with God. Humility opens the door to truth. If we're judging, we're closing the door to truth. We might be praying to God like, "Please give me more love," but while I'm judging my fellow man, as I said in the first century, "You might as well grab a noose and put it around your neck and attach it to a great big heavy weight and throw it in the sea," because that's really what you're doing. You're killing yourself in terms of your own relationship with God. That's what you're doing by judging another person. You are actually causing the other person harm but in addition you're causing your own soul to close to any truth. And when you cause your own soul to close to any truth, how can love ever enter?

**AJ** : So if humility is the doorway to truth and truth is the doorway to love, then we are not even getting to the point of the truth when we're in a state of judgement. We're already telling ourselves the lie. And it's impossible for new truth to enter us and impossible for God's Love to enter us while we're judging our fellow man, and woman, of course. Judgement helps us avoid our own fear, it helps us stay away from the truth about how we feel, and it helps us avoid personal responsibility for own emotional response to what is happening. It helps us avoid all of those things. It's anti-humility, this judgement.

**AJ** : We notice, as you and I talk about frequently, many people who think they're on the Divine Love Path judging other people so much. They have these terrible feelings towards people in the community or in the environment, and this is an indication of how much they do not understand the principles of humility. If they understood the principles of humility, they'd be looking at themselves and going, "Wow, I just judged another person. Wow, I just judged another person. Wow, every time I'm judging these other persons, I am completely shut down to the truth. Completely." [01:07:00.08]

**Mary** : And I see many people supposedly speaking truth and yet they're in a state of judgement.

**AJ** : Exactly. They're totally shut down to truth.

**Mary** : That pathway is completely closed.

**AJ** : Exactly.

**Mary** : What I find so sobering about judgement is, as you pointed out, the quick progression into violence that can happen from judgement. [01:07:21.07]

**AJ** : Yes. In the first century life many of the so-called friends that we had, because of their judgement of you, treated you very badly, both while I was alive but even more so when I passed. And many of those people acted like they were all loving. But immediately you put them in a negative situation, they resorted to violence, so much violence that they were prepared to even kill a person generally, or rape them and lots of other very unloving acts that came from this underlying condition of judgement.

**AJ** : For instance, men who judge women as being a slut or a whore will often revert to the rape of the same kind of a woman, just because their emotion of judgement causes them to eventually revert to violence. [01:08:08.18]

**Mary** : To justify that.

**AJ** : To justify it, yes.

5. How we resist humility: denial

**Mary** : Okay, thanks, babe. Next on my list is denial. I've written, "Intellectual and emotional denial of unloving thoughts, words and actions as a resistance to humility."

**AJ** : Can we say both with the intellect and emotions.

5.1. The three main types of denial: justification, minimisation and shifting the blame

**Mary** : What are the ways that we commonly use to live in denial?

**AJ** : Well we could list hundreds of them probably, but there are three primary ones that I feel are so popular and common that you could refer to them all the time. The first one is a feeling of justification of our own behaviour, where we justify the behaviour, usually because somebody else did it to us. For example, "You hurt me so that gives me the right to hurt you. You damaged me, or you damaged some of my property, so that gives me the right to damage yours. You stole from me so that gives me the right to steal from you." [01:09:28.05]

**Mary** : Yeah, or I can think of some amongst women like, "She had an abortion. I had an abortion. Everyone does it."

**AJ** : "Everyone does it."

**Mary** : nd we are denying the emotions.

**AJ** : Yeah, justification is a large way of denying emotions. And intellectual justifications cause emotional denial. Minimisation is another thing that we do. When I say minimising, we say, "Oh it wasn't that bad." We often do this with our childhood; we say, "Yeah mum and dad weren't always loving but it wasn't that bad," while we're carrying around mountains of emotional baggage. "But it wasn't that bad. They were fine." In fact when we minimise we can never get to the underlying causal emotion. It's obvious when we justify that we're never going to get there, because we're actually justifying unloving behaviour, but when we minimise the unloving behaviour, we're also never going to get to casual emotion to the depth that we need to in order to clear it.

**AJ** : For the majority of people, they go into this place of minimising what has happened to them, minimising what they have done as well, explaining to themselves, "Yeah it wasn't that bad. It was only a little thing." You see this a lot when people steal; "Oh it was only from the government. I wouldn't steal from you! But I'll falsify my tax return." There's this underlying viewpoint that some things are acceptable.

**AJ** : And then the third one that we use I feel just as often as that, is shifting the blame. For example you often see this when a person's in a discussion with another person about something that's gone wrong in a relationship. You'll say, "But you did this," but most of the time the "but you did this" is completely unrelated to the discussion. But we try to pull the focus of attention from ourselves and onto another thing. And we use that as a way to avoid what's really going on in ourselves.

**AJ** : Justification, minimisation, and shifting the blame are great tools that we use, and I feel that's all a part of denial. These are all the methods we use to remain in complete denial of any unloving behaviour. Any unloving thoughts, any unloving words, and any unloving behaviour that we have are all maintained by this denial of it by justifying, minimising and shifting the blame. We maintain this position so that we don't have to come face to face with ourselves. But humility is all about coming face to face with yourself. While you're in this state of denial, shifting the blame, you are never going to come face to face with yourself.

5.2. Denial of God's Laws

**Mary** : So that's denying ourselves. What about when we deny God and God's Laws? Does this indicate a lack of humility?

**AJ** : Of course! An even greater lack of humility in a lot of ways. Imagine if there is a God, and God has all of these laws in place in the universe, and I am walking through this universe in complete denial of them all, then obviously my life is going to illustrate the denial of them in a lot of ways. Things that are happening in my life will show me that I am denying it. My soul will be creating all of these fires of course that I'll be running around madly trying to put out. But I am also in a state of arrogance. I'm in a state of saying, "I'm lawless. I don't need God's Laws," in fact not honouring any of God's Laws in any way. And this is an underlying denial of a certain emotion. It is an emotion of rebellion. Wanting to rebel against the very person who created us is a strong anger-based desire. While I'm in denial of everything, that's what I'm doing; I'm really in this state of rage towards all of God's Laws and God's Principles. And of course that's never going to have a very good outcome. [01:13:50.09]

**Mary** : What is the outcome? How does it affect us when we deny God and God's Laws?

**AJ** : Well I suppose you could say it affects the outcome in a very basic way. For example, while I'm denying all of God's Laws and denying God Herself, I am also in a state where I'm never going to live in harmony with love. We've talked to many people who love to hear what we're saying to them but they don't want to act upon it, and the main reason why they don't want to act is they say to us, "Unless you can prove that you're Jesus, I'm not going to do any of this." And I go, "Well that's a very strange position. What you're basically telling me is that unless I can prove well enough to you that I'm Jesus, you're not going to act in a more loving way." Now that seems to me to be a very illogical thing to do; to actually decide to not act in a more loving way just because you don't know whether somebody is who they're saying they are. It's a very illogical viewpoint. [01:15:03.01]

**AJ** : In addition, it gives them a justification for not acting lovingly. Now why would you want a justification for not acting lovingly? There's got to be some pretty dark emotions in a person who's willing to justify, using one reason such as, "Can you prove you're Jesus?" "No." "So therefore I'm not going to become more loving." That seems to me to be a preposterous supposition, that you're now going to say that just because I can't prove my identity at this point it means that you've got the right to be unloving. And this is where I feel denial has a huge impact upon people on the planet, where they can't even reason logically anymore that the thing they're in denial of is not logical to stay in denial of. It's not logical from any perspective on this planet; it's not logical to resist becoming more loving. It's not logical.

**AJ** : It's not logical to resist more truth. It's just not logical. And it's not logical to place whether you're going to do something in the hands of another person. That's not logical either. And yet people do that all the time because they're in denial. They don't want to have to take some kind of physical action in order to become more loving themselves. The reality is that they don't want to come face to face with the fact that they're being unloving; they're in complete denial of that. They'd rather come up with a hundred excuses as to why they should remain unloving. And one of those excuses can be, "Oh but you're not Jesus," or, "You haven't proved that you're Jesus." So what? There's still a good reason for you to be loving. There's still a good reason for you to discover more truth, whether I'm Jesus or not. And it makes no logical sense for a person to take a position of denial, except that they wish to remain unloving. They wish to get away with treating other people badly.

5.2.1. An example of denying the truth about abortion

**AJ** : And so I feel denial is a very strong thing going on, on the planet. You know that discussion that we had, "The Human Soul - Denial & Addictions", with the people in the USA recently? When I started listing the different issues and problems, one that came up was that I started listing the abortion statistics from our spirit world perspective. Of course I didn't say that in the presentation. Many of the people went home and started looking up the statistics about abortion and then I got this whole list of emails saying how I was incorrect about the statistics on abortion and so forth. And to be frank I was not.

**AJ** : Their statistics on abortion are taken only from the recorded abortions in developed societies. In addition, they do not include any abortive forms of contraception. When you add all of the abortive forms of contraception and all of the desires of parents to not have children, and all of the abortions that do actually occur, there are actually more than 500 million pregnancies on this planet every single year. Not 144 million, which is the childbirth rate, on the planet every year.

**AJ** : So what happened to the rest of those children? They all died from abortions and miscarriages. Whether we call them abortions or miscarriages or not, they all died from that. And so when I'm speaking with our spirit friends I'm saying, "How many people pass in the spirit world every single year from an act from their parents that was abortive in nature?" They say, "250 million." When we look at the statistics on the planet of how many abortions actually occur every single year, it's 45 million. Very different figures.

**AJ** : But then why are we even justifying 45 million children dying from abortion every year? We're meant to be in societies that love children, but before the child exits the womb, we're perfectly happy to kill it. Is there something wrong here? Of course there is. That's the point. There is something wrong here. And this is the underlying problem; most of us are in complete denial that most of us in Western societies do approve, or many people do approve, of abortion, which is actually approving of a murder, without seeing the results in the spirit world of what actually occurs for these children. We're actually approving of something because we want to maintain our denial. Why do we want to maintain our denial? Because by maintaining our denial we get to have the right to have an abortion. That's why we want to do it. [01:20:10.06]

**Mary** : Which is about avoiding a fear in the end?

**AJ** : Which is about avoiding a fear. All sorts of fears, if you list them all. I think in the interview on abortion that I did with Barbara recently, I listed some of those fears that we have that cause us to go ahead with an abortion. But the reality is that none of us want to face those fears and so why do we finish up doing it? We finish up going into complete denial that the unborn child is a child and then we start having to make a choice. Is it three months that it's a child? Or six months of pregnancy it's a child? When can we allow an abortion and not allow an abortion? And all of these choices are made because we're in complete denial of the fact that this is a child. We're in complete denial of the fact of the truth. We don't have to face the truth. And we don't have to face the truth of how many abortions are actually occurring. We don't have to face the truth of our own unloving behaviour. And yet, when the child is born, what lengths do we go through to save the child if it's sick? Extreme lengths. Something's wrong here! Logically something's wrong. [01:21:18.16]

**Mary** : Yeah. If you take that issue for example, are we denying something that we inherently feel inside of ourselves? Or is the world itself in a state of denial, that it doesn't actually allow enough truth to come to us about these sorts of issues?

**AJ** : Well in the end all of these things are personally attributable to our own emotional condition. But we must understand that our own emotional condition is often a result of the environment in which we're living. If the world itself believes that a child is not a child until it's born, then of course I'm going to grow up having that same belief, which will then cause me to have a certain set of justifications. However any mother who has been pregnant and who has then lost a child through a miscarriage often feels they've lost a child. And yet when they've lost a child through abortion, they don't believe the child is a child.

**AJ** : And this in itself is the level of denial that we have. We are willing to explain one condition, and yet explain a completely opposite condition and be in complete denial that we're talking about exactly the same thing almost at the same time. And this is an indication of how much our intellectual denial causes us to avoid emotional causes within us. The reality is, yes, society does collectively have certain conditions which are completely against the acknowledgement of truth on a particular issue. [01:23:00.18]

**Mary** : We're speaking a lot about abortion but I suppose this counts for very many other issues that we don't even see. Abortion is an issue that is brought up as a moral issue on the planet but I suppose there are many issues that we don't even question because the whole world is in a global sense of denial about it.

5.2.2. An example of denying the truth about eating meat

**AJ** : Well let's look at another, the eating of meat. That is more of a global issue. The majority of people on the planet are completely for the eating of meat. Most in the medical profession promote the eating of it, they believe for health reasons. If you look at almost any society on the planet we're willing to greatly destroy our environment for the sake of eating meat. We have ten times the amount of destruction occurring to the planet and also economic resources required to produce this meat than if everybody was vegetarian on the planet. And yet we are all in denial of all of that. And why are we all in denial of that? Because many of us like to eat meat. That's the main reason we're in denial of it all.

**AJ** : From a society perspective we can maintain this denial. Many people who have listened to the Divine Truth for years have still not dealt with this moral issue because they are in complete denial of the fact that they're being unloving. They're being unloving to the animals themselves, but they're also being unloving to the Earth. They're being unloving to the rainforests, which are being destroyed at phenomenal rates just for the sake of beef production. They're being unloving to the Earth itself and the Earth's resources because we can be using a tenth of the resources for food production that we're currently using. And all the while they're complaining about how the Earth is being destroyed.

**AJ** : What hypocrisy is there? If a person is complaining about how the Earth is being destroyed and yet at the same time eating meat, they are a hypocrite. Quite simple. And that is not a judgement; that is just a statement of truth. They are a hypocrite because on the one hand they are destroying the Earth and on the other hand they're complaining about other people doing it, and that's hypocrisy. That's the statement of hypocrisy. The key is for us to work through the emotional reason why we want to maintain that denial, and a lot of that's to do with our family. Because, as you know, as soon as you go vegetarian, who's the first people who complain? [01:25:26.21]

**Mary** : Well my family didn't because they were vegetarian when I was a kid but for many people it is the mother...

**AJ** : My mother still complains!

**Mary** : "How can you eat? How can you survive? How can you get enough sustenance?"

**AJ** : When I first became vegetarian I went through a period of having to deal with lots of emotion, so I lost a lot of weight and my mother thought, "You're too skinny; it's because you're a vegetarian." Now that I've put the weight back on, is that because I'm a vegetarian? I'm still not eating meat; I'm a vegan actually. I'm still not eating meat nor any animal products. And so have I put the weight back because I am a vegan? No, it was because of an emotion. In the end, our denial of the unloving act, eating meat, causes us to deny that a person who's vegan can actually be completely healthy. And this is where I feel denial is such a powerful tool that we use on this planet to manipulate and control and direct the opinions of the entire world. [01:26:31.14]

5.3. Resistance to humility creates hypocrisy

**Mary** : And also from what you're saying, it helps us become hypocrites. Looking at your list of things we've already got so far and it seems like all of these resistances to humility actually breed hypocrisy.

**AJ** : They do, yes. If you look at arrogance: when I have a viewpoint, for example, that my race is better than yours, I'm a hypocrite because I'm not looking at truth. The reality is that I can procreate with your race, so that makes us both the same. If we make love, we can have a child; we're from different races but we're both the same. So there's the proof of my arrogance but it's also the proof of my hypocrisy in terms of my belief systems.

**AJ** : It's the same with all of these different resistances to humility; they all create hypocrisy. That's why we gave that talk recently in London to that small group of people about "Love in Action: Sincerity or Hypocrisy?" Which one are we going to choose? There are so many people who believe they're hearing Divine Truth, they believe they're following it, but it's not actually transforming their life. To be frank they still find it difficult to feel an emotion and the reason is that they still want to maintain these façade-based hypocritical actions. [01:27:44.17]

5.4. Reasons we are invested in staying in denial

**Mary** : Yeah. On the subject of denial, my last observation is that most of us, when we embark on this endeavour to know ourselves and to know God, we seem to realise we're all in bucket-loads of denial. And we've talked a little bit about our investment in denial but my last question for you was, do you think the world is invested in us staying in denial?

**AJ** : Yeah, certainly. If you look at politics, it's invested in the denial of what it's doing. Religion is invested in the denial of what it's doing. If we look at almost any other area of endeavour; the medical profession, all these other areas, there are huge amounts of denial in all of it. A lot of it is to create a seeming idea of prosperity, which obviously isn't the case because many people in the world don't have any prosperity at all. We've just been to Brazil where there are favelas everywhere. While some people have improved in their condition, there are huge amounts of denial about what's happening to the environment, just for the sake of improvement in economic prosperity.

**AJ** : There are these huge layers of denial in every aspect of life. Even our own involvement with the media has been interesting because we often get people emailing us saying, "The media always tells the truth," and we go, "What?! There's not been a single instance where the media's told the truth about us." How can they believe that the media tells the truth? [01:29:28.00]

**Mary** : The poor media's lost all credibility with me now (laughs) because I know how many lies they've told about us. I look at anything and I think, "I really can't believe what's being said."

**AJ** : Yeah. Can you see that if I maintain the denial that the media is not lying to me, or the government is not lying to me, or religion is not lying to me, or whatever it is is not lying to me, then I don't have to feel anything? I don't have to feel the disappointment, the lack of trust, and the other emotions that I do not want to feel. And so what do I do? I choose to believe what is being touted as the mainstream viewpoint, and I choose to believe it because I want to avoid a whole group of emotions about it. [01:30:10.05]

**Mary** : So you're really saying that even though, yes, the world is invested in us remaining in denial, individuals are creating that investment.

**AJ** : Exactly. It's got nothing to do with the world. The world is not some kind of inanimate object over which we have no bearing. It is completely responding in the way that it is because the majority of individuals in the world want to maintain a position of denial. The majority of individuals in the world do not want to believe that their politicians are lying to them. They don't want to believe that their religions are telling them untruth. They don't want to believe that in all these other areas, the economic areas and other areas of our life, are all just a figment of somebody's imagination or somebody's very highly malevolent control issues. They don't want to believe all of those things. They'd much rather believe that everything's fine. And if I can believe that everything's fine then I don't have to feel anything bad.

**AJ** : Now if everyone in the world feels like, "We just want to believe everything's fine," then of course the politicians and the religious leaders and all these other people just say, "Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine." And we go, "Oh yeah, everything's fine. Isn't this wonderful," when it's not fine. The irony is that if we look around the world today we can see everything's not fine and yet we still want to believe everything's fine. This is like the old saying about the ostrich burying its head in the sand; we want to believe everything's fine when it's not. And we do that because we don't want to come face to face with our own emotions. That's the only reason why we're doing it. It's not because we're not capable of changing, because we are. It's not because we're not capable of bringing our life into more harmony with love, because we are. It's because we do not want to face our own negative emotions that we need to face before we do those things. It's all about facing our own pain; we want to avoid our own pain, which is a very selfish, self-oriented perspective of our life.

**Mary** : And it's where we lose integrity, isn't it?

**AJ** : We lose everything - courage, integrity, any sense of love, truth, everything. We lose any quality that is good in human nature when we stay in denial and when we want to avoid our own emotional condition, and our own emotional pain. And remember, being humble is about accepting your own emotional condition, accepting your own emotional pain, accepting how you feel; that's what humility is all about.

6. How we resist humility: anger with others

**Mary** : Okay, so on to our next point of resistance to humility, anger with others. My first question about anger is, if humility is actually about feeling all of our emotions, how can our anger with others indicate a lack of humility? [01:33:41.19]

**AJ** : Yes, a lot of people believe that they have the right to experience their anger, and of course they do. But the reality is that we can be angry and not sin, as the Bible says. The way we do that is by actually owning the anger as an emotion inside of ourselves that we refuse to direct at another person. Most people use anger as a tool to direct at other people though, and as a result they are nowhere near experiencing any emotion, they're in a state of abusing the state of anger and actually using their anger to destroy things around them, including other people.

**AJ** : The way a child experiences anger, if we go over that again, is that it just has a little tantrum, lying on the ground, kicking and screaming and usually crying along with it. When the child is in a pure state of anger, it doesn't expect anything from its environment. It doesn't go up and hit anybody, for example. If the child is going up to hit somebody, then it's now not experiencing its anger, it's now actually acting upon its anger and abusing other people. And that's very, very different to experiencing anger. When a child is in a pure place of experiencing anger, like I said, it just jumps up and down and feels the anger inside of itself.

**AJ** : Now, the majority of people who are angry are not doing that. The majority of people who are in anger are actually projecting their anger, forcing their anger upon other people. This is an indication that they have addictions that are not being met. And addictions cover over fears and cover over grief. Now if we're in a state of anger this is telling us that we are in a state far removed from our actual emotional condition. That means that we're far removed from humility. When we get angry as an adult we are generally far removed from humility. It's when we experience a childlike sense of anger that is contained within us and not expressed outwardly to other people in the environment, that is when we're in a pure state of feeling some causal anger.

The rest of the time when we're angry, we are just in an effect of wanting our addictions met and them not being met. We are in the effect of our maintaining our own addictions and then wanting the world to actually give us the addictions, to give us what we want. [01:36:44.07]

**Mary** : Would you make a distinction then between anger and anger with others? Is it when I'm angry with you that I'm not humble? But when I'm experiencing my anger, I would be humble? Or is that simplifying it too much?

**AJ** : Well, no, I think it's a nice simple way of looking at it, but when the majority of people hear that they won't understand the difference. The majority of times when people on the planet experience anger it is experienced towards another person, or towards a situation that involves other persons. And as a result of that it's an indication that their addictions are not getting met. It's got nothing to do with underlying causal emotions. Now I'm not saying "Don't feel it," what I'm saying is "Don't act upon it. Don't act upon your rage and use your rage as a justification for harming another person."

**AJ** : For example, even going up to another person and saying, "I was angry with you," you've got to question the reason why a person would do that. Why do they have to tell you that they were angry with you? If they were truly experiencing their anger they wouldn't need to do that. The fact that they are doing it is because they want some level of control over you. They want to make you feel like they've been angry with you. And why would they want that? They want that because they want to make you feel something about their anger. They feel that you are to blame for it.

**AJ** : The reality is that anger directed externally is always the result of an addiction not being met. It's always the result of an underlying emotional condition that we're in denial of because if we weren't in denial of it, we wouldn't be getting angry with the other person. So it's always out of harmony with humility and therefore out of harmony with truth and therefore in that state we can't expect to receive God's Love. [01:38:50.08]

**Mary** : Okay. So what does it show us about our emotional condition? You've touched on that but is there anything...?

**AJ** : Our anger is an indication of our justification that other people are to blame for any personal pain that we experience. In other words, what we're really saying is that we are not capable of experiencing our own personal pain without causing personal pain in another. That's really what we're doing when we get angry. We're telling the world around us, and ourselves, that other people deserve to have pain if we are in pain. And this is a very, very damaging action. In fact almost every single negative thing that happens on this planet is caused by this underlying justification that if I am in personal pain then I have the right to also create personal pain for you.

**AJ** : This is not true and it is also grossly unloving. In addition it is a demonstration of our own lack of humility. In other words, it is a demonstration of our lack of desire to actually feel our own pain without harming another person. Why is it that we have to harm another person when we're in pain? It's because we are in denial of our own pain and we believe we are justified in creating pain for others when we have pain. And we are not justified in doing so. [01:40:26.00]

6.1. How to release anger

**Mary** : So, say I'm an angry person and I hear you saying these things, and I say to myself, "Okay I'm justifying these things." What are the steps I would take? What do I need to let go of in order to let go of anger?

**AJ** : Well it's a process, obviously. Firstly we have to see the addictions we are in. We then need to feel these addictions as errors, not as things that we want satisfied, but we have to see them as errors, things that are creating our own unhappiness actually, in the long run. Secondly we have to see that every single addiction that we have that creates our anger when it's not met actually covers over the fear that we have inside of ourselves that we're in denial of. And we need to allow ourselves at some point to get to a state of allowing ourselves to see the fears that we are in denial of.

**AJ** : Once we go through that phase, as a feeling phase, then we'll get to the stage of what has grieved us in the past, and it is usually what has grieved us in the past that causes us to act out of anger in the future or in the present. We need to understand that we are just avoiding terrible emotions of grief that we need to allow ourselves to feel without damaging other people.

**AJ** : Now if we're prepared to go through those phases, then we'll very quickly get out of a state of anger and into a state of fear. But as you know from your own experience, it's not always that easy because we have huge addictions involved in our rage. We want to be angry, we want to justify. We generally have all this arrogance about it as well. We're in denial of the fact that it's an emotion inside of ourselves. We always believe somebody else has made us angry, or the situation has caused us to be angry, not understanding that these are all things that are going on inside of ourselves.

**AJ** : And the reality is that there are some circumstances where we are attacked and we feel that is unfair and as a result of our feeling that it's unfair and our denial of our own grief of the unfairness, we then go on the attack ourselves. And so it's often our resistance to feeling the grief of unfair actions perpetrated towards ourselves that then cause us to maintain a rage towards others.

**AJ** : So you see this happening a lot in relationships where a woman might have been treated badly in the past in her relationships. She now has this viewpoint of men that all men are bastards, and there's not a good one on the planet. Now this is an untruth but besides being an untruth it's a maintenance of her own rage. She doesn't want to feel the pain of these unfulfilled and unhappy past relationships; rather she's now projecting the past onto her present and future. She's now actually determining that all people are the same as the people she's already met and this, besides being illogical, is another thing that always happens when we're in denial of the true emotions. It's also very unloving because we're projecting upon other people things that may not exist inside of them. We're not giving them the opportunity to demonstrate the truth at all.

**AJ** : People do this with you and me all the time, as you know. They automatically assume because I'm saying I'm Jesus that I'm saying that I'm better than them, for example. It's not a valid assumption. It's not what I feel but it's what they assume. And they then automatically get angry about that. Sometimes we receive very nasty emails from people who are not even religious condemning me for saying that I'm Jesus. They don't even believe in Jesus, many of them, and they're condemning me for saying I'm Jesus because they feel that by saying I'm Jesus I'm saying that I'm better than them and they feel very angry about that, which means that they actually feel that they are worse than Jesus and they're unwilling to feel the extent of how bad they actually feel about themselves.

**AJ** : It's got nothing to do with my feelings about them because my feelings are that I love them and that's the whole reason why I give the truth the way we do; it's because we love them. So it's not our feelings but it's misinterpreted. And this is the problem with our rage; we're often interpreting the present based on past experience and we are way out of harmony when we do this with love. [01:45:05.07]

6.1.1. Anger results from pain in the past that we haven't released

**Mary** : Yeah, it was a very important and beautiful thing you said I think just a little while ago that often it's the pain that we haven't felt from the past that causes us to justify the anger in the present and the future. That seems to be a crucial kind of truth to allow to enter us, that, "Wow I'm angry and it must be because there's stuff there in my past that I'm not humble to."

**AJ** : From the past. Anger does not get created in an individual when there is stuff that has all been felt in the past. For example, if a child has been harmed in its past and then it was allowed to grieve all of that harm, it would no longer be angry. The reality is that if I am angry as a person, or even just occasionally angry or frustrated as a person, it has to do with something that has occurred in my past. And the present circumstance or situation that we believe has made us angry is just a Law of Attraction event based on our condition to help us expose the emotion from the past that has caused me to be in this state.

**AJ** : The only reason why I am angry is that I am in denial of that emotion from the past. And usually that emotion is fear and grief; huge amounts of grief generally. I'm in fear of the grief and that's what creates my anger. I suppose you could say that there are two primary creators of my rage. The first primary creator is my desire to have my addiction met and when the addiction is not met and I expect it to be met, then I get angry. That's number one.

**AJ** : Secondly the addiction is present because of a denial of fear and grief and if I allow myself to go to this fear and grief, if I were truly humble and didn't have this resistance of anger towards humility, I would allow myself to go into this feeling of grief, which would allow me then to release the underlying reason why I created the addiction in the first place. And once those addictions have gone and the grief is gone, then I will not get angry about the same situation ever again. [01:47:23.10]

**Mary** : It's probably difficult for people to recognise that as a truth but I certainly see that in yourself and I'm beginning to see that happen for myself, which is exciting.

**AJ** : Yeah. Well you've seen me treated unjustly many times and I just allow myself, most of the time, to go into my grief about that. As a result of that I don't feel angry towards the people who've treated me badly at all. And so you can see that if a person allows themselves to go into a state of grief about the situation rather than getting into a rage and justifying their rage, then it makes the person a much softer individual, much more loving individual and in every circumstance, even in the harshest of circumstances a person in that state can always be kind and considerate and loving.

**Mary** : What about people who say that anger is a healthy emotion because it causes change; it causes us to stand up for ourselves? How do you relate this anger that we're talking about to what they're talking about? Are they speaking about anger? I'm asking too many questions. (Laughs) [01:48:42.00]

**AJ** : Well, yeah. All anger is healthy in the sense that if we feel our anger then we'll be healthy. (Laughs) We need to feel all of our emotions to be healthy. However, projected at other people it is not healthy. As you well know and as everybody well knows, it creates a lot of dynamics in the world that are very, very dangerous and damaging, including wars, in fact, which are created by this underlying feeling of societal anger from one country to another. This kind of rage is not healthy at all. It has caused huge amounts of damage.

**AJ** : I do not believe that change motivated by rage is ever going to have a permanent benefit. Change motivated by love, humility and truth will always have a permanent benefit. Now it is true that when we come to see the truth on a certain issue we are often instantly angry and this anger is an indication of how much falsehood has been present before then that we need to grieve. Once we grieve the fact that we were told things that were wrong, we will actually find ourselves acting in a very different manner as a result of accessing the grief and we will no longer find ourselves getting into a rage about things.

**AJ** : But often we do not access the grief until we feel the layers above. Now the layer of anger is the layer of feelings above the addiction. The feelings of the addiction are the layer of feelings above the fear. If a person's in total denial then of course they are going to have to get angry in order to heal. How they express this anger in their day-to-day life will determine whether it's going to be damaging or not. If they express it to other people and act out their anger towards other people it is going to further damage their soul and only leave them with more anger to feel. That's all it's going to do. It will not actually have a healing effect on them.

**AJ** : For it to have a healing effect they have to feel through the anger, they have to feel the anger without harming other persons, and just feel how angry they are. You can feel anger without projecting it at others. And once you feel this kind of anger, now you can get into what the addiction is and also get into the underlying fear and grief, when you allow yourself to go into it in that manner. In that way it can be a very healing process, if you allow yourself to feel it without projecting it upon others.

**AJ** : If you are projecting it upon others, which the majority of people do, then you are no longer in this state where you're actually healing through your anger, you are now in a state of resistance to healing. You are justifying yourself not being humble and resisting the process of healing. And this of course is going to be very damaging to you and your future life and any relationships around you. [01:51:46.18]

**AJ** : I feel there's a big difference between those two states. For the majority of people on the planet they need to assume that most of their anger is addictive in nature rather than childlike experience. When you see a person experiencing anger as a childlike experience, you feel completely safe. When you feel the anger of people around you who are not in a childlike experience, you feel completely unsafe. It's very easy to tell whether a person is safe or unsafe when experiencing their anger. If you feel safe when they're experiencing their anger, then it means they are not projecting it outwards. If you feel unsafe or criticised or harmed by them experiencing their anger, now that's an indication that they are now blaming others and they are affecting others and they are damaging the souls of others and themselves. And the reality is that the majority of the planet falls into the second category. [01:52:44.08]

7. How we resist humility: hatred and resentment

**Mary** : Okay, well the next on my list is another heavy topic. There are a lot! (Laughs) The last one for today is hatred towards others. I've written hatred towards others but could we just define it as hatred? Because we can hate ourselves as well, can't we?

**AJ** : Yes, and hatred towards yourself can be as damaging to your own progression in terms of love as hatred towards another can be.

**Mary** : Can you define hatred for us?

**AJ** : Hatred or resentment is usually a build-up of rage or anger to the extent that we wish to harm another or ourselves. Now we may be causing this harm emotionally, or physically or intellectually. In other words if we're willing to harm emotionally, physically, intellectually, sexually in any way, ourselves or another person, that is an indication that we are full of hatred.

**AJ** : Now many people have this level of hatred towards themselves where they're actually willing to harm themselves. And many also have a similar level of hatred towards others, where they're willing to harm another. It's a very, very damaging emotion, obviously. It causes the degradation of the human soul very rapidly and unfortunately it harms other people as well as ourselves. It's going to cause a lot of damage to the other person's soul as well as our own. [01:54:43.02]

**Mary** : Certainly I see it played out all around the world and probably in my own life towards myself at certain times. What leads us to hate?

**AJ** : Well again, it always comes from an underlying desire to avoid specific emotions, usually our own emotions. Unfortunately this desire to avoid has become so strong that we're willing to destroy things in order to avoid. We're willing to destroy others or destroy ourselves or destroy our environment because of the level of hatred that we have. This is an extreme emotion that many of us have in certain areas, based around severe avoidance of our own underlying feelings, usually towards another or towards ourselves.

**AJ** : It's a very, very damaging emotion to our soul progression. It is a very damaging emotion in our relationship with God. It's very interesting because again you and I have often received huge amounts of hatred from people who say they're on the Divine Love Path. These are people who say they're receiving God's Love and God's Truth, and at the same time they're projecting huge amounts of viciousness towards us, not understanding the underlying principles about love. If we can't love our enemies then we are no better than a murderer or a thief because they love their friends, but they just don't love their enemies, right? If we can't love our enemies then we are no better than they are, really, in the end. And when I say better, we're in no more of a loving condition than a murderer or a thief if we cannot love our enemies. Hatred causes us to have enemies. Hatred is all about enemies. We usually have enemies when we're in a state of hatred, where we just can't stand the sight a person. We would love to see them die.

7.1. Gender differences in the expression of hatred

**AJ** : For many women there is a feeling that they'd love to see them tortured to death. Many men have hatred that's explosive and very brief. Many women have hatred that has developed over years and years of resentment and is a very, very long standing emotion that causes them to desire to completely destroy somebody from an emotional perspective. Both forms of hatred are very, very damaging to the soul. [01:57:35.20]

**Mary** : So men often have an explosive kind of hatred whereas with women, as the saying goes, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." This kind of hatred controls the lives of women for long periods of time. Can we deduce something about the nature of hatred through that?

**AJ** : Sure. Society is more allowing of men being in a state of anger. In fact, up until very recently women weren't allowed to go to war because of the expression of anger that was required to go to war, the expression of masculine violence that is needed. And so for those reasons there is a lot more society allowance of anger inside of men and therefore brief explosions of hatred. There is also a lot more allowance generally because the man is generally physically larger in nature than women, and physically stronger, and because of these two underlying factors a man generally feels more able to engage his anger in a hateful way towards another and physically harm them.

**AJ** : It's even promoted, in a way, to have a bit of a dust up with another guy, so you get all your frustrations out. And often that is true; they do finish up getting many of their frustrations out. And oftentimes the person they've had a good dust up and fisticuffs with turns out to be a great friend afterwards as a result of the release of emotion. [01:59:22.05]

**Mary** : Are you saying that as women we just need to have a few more dust ups?

**AJ** : No, no, I'm not saying that at all. (Laughter) But what happens with women is that many women have felt powerless for huge amounts of their life. This ongoing powerless feeling that has occurred over long periods of time in their lives has caused resentment, which is like long-term feelings of hatred, to build up inside of the soul, again because there's no desire to release the grief of it. You see, to avoid resentment you have to leave a situation. For example, if you were being attacked as a woman in any way, whether it was verbally or physically or whatever, the only way to avoid resenting the person who commits the attack is to leave the situation. If you left the situation you would grieve the emotion, you'd grieve the attack, what has happened to you, and then you would have forgiven the person. You wouldn't want to be with them anymore, but you've forgiven them and you would have moved on with your life quite easily.

**AJ** : Most women stay in unloving situations for very long periods of time though, because they have huge issues with security and safety and other types of things, other emotions, which they don't allow themselves to feel in reality. So they live in a situation that's very damaging with the anger initially turning into hatred, and then the hatred turning into resentment. And once the hatred turns into resentment then we have this emotion that's inside of us where we want to plan the destruction of an individual. We're not happy with them dying, because if they died it would be too fast. We want to plan the actual emotional destruction of the individual and laugh while we're doing it. This is the kind of resentment that exists in many women towards men in particular, and sometimes also towards other women. And this level or layer of resentment can be huge.

**AJ** : Now women have it more than men because they have been suppressed more than men. Many men have been allowed to experience their anger or brief explosions of anger, both from a society perspective and from their own physical condition and from their own physical nature, they're allowed to experience these particular things. But a woman is looked down upon when she has any of those kinds of emotions and so she then suppresses those emotions much more readily and therefore experiences more of a feeling of resentment over a longer period of time. [02:02:11.14]

**Mary** : From what you're saying, it relates to a sense of powerlessness that is suppressed.

**AJ** : Yes.

**Mary** : And so for men they might equally have a sense of powerlessness but they use anger to feel powerful.

**AJ** : Yes. But women generally don't use anger to feel powerful, although that's changing. You see that changing rapidly in Western societies now where women are using anger to feel powerful. But historically they haven't been able to do that without being harmed. [02:02:41.21]

**Mary** : It sounds like what you're saying is that hatred is created when there's a powerless feeling, whether it's in a man or a woman, and when we're not humble to that, or we can't leave a powerless situation?

**AJ** : Well the reality is that most people in Western society can leave a powerless situation but they choose not to for other reasons. Most women choose to not leave the powerless situation because they're feeling a fear of their own safety or security, or financial security.

**Mary** : Yeah, I'm thinking here more of children who are abused in a lot of situations.

**AJ** : Yeah that's very different, obviously; they can't leave a situation. Persons who have been abused often have large levels of hatred and resentment, and it's understandable that these emotions exist but they need to allow themselves to go through these emotions without harming other people. [02:03:28.17]

7.2. How to work through emotions of hatred and resentment

**Mary** : So there's powerlessness, and if we can't escape that sense of powerlessness we often become angry.

**AJ** : Very much so.

**Mary** : And if that's suppressed or disallowed then we become resentful and hateful. For someone who finds themselves in a state of hate, is it essentially peeling back those layers?

**AJ** : Yes.

**Mary** : Is that's what's going to have to happen for them?

**AJ** : It's going to have to happen but they need to do it in a state where they're not attacking other people all the time. They need to realise that these are emotions inside of themselves that, due to the unfortunate circumstances of their life, they have to feel and they are the only persons that can feel it. Nobody else can feel it for them, and every time they attempt to harm another person as a result of these emotions, they are actually creating more damage to their own soul. There's going to be more for them to feel if they keep doing that. [02:04:19.18]

**Mary** : Yeah, and I feel it's unfortunate because often people who have been very harmed, in a very powerless state for a long time, and I'm thinking now more of people who've been abused for many years, have had their anger suppressed and then they reach a state of hatred, and often it becomes globalised. There's very little compassion for people in this state, isn't there?

**AJ** : Yes.

**Mary** : And it seems that that's what they need the most.

**AJ** : Well, yeah, they do need compassion; however we cannot support their unloving behaviour. See, if society was well versed in handling these particular situations, they'd have places of recovery, which would be supported by a large group of people, so that one person doesn't feel the full brunt of this hatred or anger coming from the individual. And at these places of recovery the person who has been harmed or abused in the past can go through a process of firstly exposing their hatred and rage, getting into feeling it without projecting it onto others, and then slowly going down into their grief.

**AJ** : Unfortunately because most people who've been abused do have high levels of grief to experience, there is a large layer of denial that most of them have to go through, where they have huge amounts of rage or anger or fear associated with their grief. If as a society we were caring about those particular issues, we would create environments where they can safely go through these levels of grief; firstly levels of hatred, rage, then seeing the addictions that they have as well and into their fears and grief. And we'd have places that support that process where they could do this. They will be confronting places. They need to be confronting places to actually confront many of the emotions that are inside the person.

**AJ** : But they'd also need to be supportive. This is a process of healing, and you can't heal without going through these particular emotional experiences. If we did that, the person wouldn't be as afraid of feeling their own emotion. One of the reasons why these people who've been abused feel so angry is that society generally judges the level of their rage or their anger or hatred, and therefore doesn't even allow them to experience those emotions. And if we created a different environment then these people could easily go through those emotions, or much more rapidly than they currently can do.

**AJ** : In fact what we generally do with those people is we medicate them. We actually suppress their emotions, we give them anti-depressants or some other form of medication, which heavily suppresses the emotional condition, and this just causes them further problems. They don't feel like they have a happy life or a contented life, and now there's all sorts of other problems and issues that come across. The level of suppressed rage causes them to suicide at much higher rates, and so forth. Society's fear of these kinds of emotions is so great that the people who have experienced these kinds of events are not assisted at all to heal from them. [02:07:52.07]

7.3. Hatred can be caused by feelings of superiority in addition to feelings of powerlessness

**Mary** : Just one last question; I know we're running out of time, but we just talked about the example of someone ending up in a place of hatred, starting really at the root cause of feeling powerless. This week in book group we're studying "Through the Mists" and we're up to chapter 9 and it's called "The Harvest of Jealousy". In that chapter we hear this story of a woman who grew up with a sense of entitlement; she was very wealthy. And then a certain set of situations happened where she couldn't get her own way. She became very angry but she suppressed that and then she ended up in a state of hatred. Now we're seeing a different root cause there, aren't we? We're seeing someone who's being challenged on an addiction, but suppressing the anger that comes from that? Is that the case? [02:08:42.02]

**AJ** : Yes. In the end a lot of times when we've grown up in an environment where we believe we are superior in some way we then have a large number of addictions in maintaining that superiority. And whenever we cannot maintain the feeling of superiority these addictions then cause us to revert to anger-based emotions. And if that anger is suppressed then certainly we'll revert to hatred.

**AJ** : But in the end the underlying emotion is still present. The emotion, "I am superior to another," is created from this underlying feeling that perhaps we're not superior, perhaps we're the opposite of that. In the end these polar opposites of emotions often cause the same outcome in an individual. So a person who's treated very badly as a child can grow up feeling a sense of rage towards the world, but a person who's treated very well as a child, when I say "well", I use that term very loosely in the sense that they're given everything they want (and I don't believe that is treating a child well), but a parent who gives the child everything they want also causes the child to have the same kind of addictions.

**AJ** : It's the addictions that cause the anger, and it's the suppressed anger that causes the hatred and resentment. The anger that's suppressed causing the hatred and resentment finishes up causing violent actions. The woman that you mentioned took violent actions both while she was on Earth and after she passed, and these actions were taken in an effort to suppress her underlying emotions. If you get down to the underlying cause, it is a lack of humility in the individual that caused all of these problems.

8. Closing Words

8.1. A lack of humility eventually creates our own death

**AJ** : I think that's one of the things we probably need to say in closing, and by the time we get to the end of the discussion for people to understand; a lack of humility actually causes our own death. That's how strong the lack of humility is. If you think of a lack of humility as an inability to experience all and every one of our own emotions as they occur without harming another, and always being in a place of love when we experience our emotions, if we had done that we would not grow old. We would not get sick and therefore we would never die.

**AJ** : The reality is that a lack of humility is what causes our death, not a lack of love. That's a very interesting thought. If people understood that their own death is being created by their lack of humility, maybe they would have a much greater desire to look at this issue of humility than they currently do. [02:11:36.00]

**Mary** : It's sad that it has to be the threat of death that would motivate us though, don't you think?

**AJ** : Exactly. And even after a person dies their lack of humility in the spirit world causes all of their pain.

**Mary** : Yeah.

**AJ** : You know, it's such an unfortunate thing that on this planet we believe that we can maintain an arrogant position. We've looked at these things so far, and there's a lot more to look at obviously, which we'll talk about later. But if you look at the arrogance, the facade, the judgment, the denial, the anger and hatred, we believe we should be able to maintain all of these particular things, and yet we do not understand that each one of these things play a part in the creation of our own death. And so it makes no logical sense for us stop this process of becoming more humble.

**AJ** : God is constantly desiring us to understand humility more than anything else because God understands that once we're in a state of humility, the door of truth is open. Once the door of truth is open, the door of love is open. In fact without humility nothing positive can happen in our life. And most of us know that. When we're in an arrogant position with another, we know there's no resolution, there's no happiness. When we're in judgment of another there's no resolution, there's no happiness. When we deny that anything bad happened, there's no resolution, there's no happiness. We know all of that, and yet we still hold on to all of these things because we want to deny our own pain, which is all a lack of humility. [02:13:10.20]

**Mary** : Yeah. It's fantastic, babe, and thank you. As you know, I'm so passionate about this subject. I think I said in one of the other interviews I feel that this is all I have to do. God already wants to know me and love me and give me truth, if only I want to know and feel myself and exercise that desire for those things.

8.2. The importance of humility

**AJ** : Yeah. But I also feel there's probably one thing we should finish with and that is this thought: Love is something that comes from God, truth is something that comes from God, but humility is not something that comes from God.

**Mary** : That's my feeling, yeah.

**AJ** : Humility is something that I must choose to develop for myself. And so if you think about humility, if I make it become a part of my nature, if I actually embrace it as a quality, then I am now giving a chance for God to do His work upon my soul. Without humility God can do no work upon the soul. There's nothing that God can do for our soul while we lack humility. And so it becomes the most important quality that we can develop. The other things can come from God, but we can't get humility from God. God is constantly, through this Law of Attraction that God's created, and other things, trying to get us to a point where we desire humility. [02:14:40.12]

**Mary** : To help us, yeah.

**AJ** : To help us, but it is a quality that we must develop ourselves. We must work our way through the issues ourselves to become truly humble. For that reason I feel it is one of the most important things we need to understand about the Way to God, God's Path, "The Way". Of course there are other things that I feel are just as important. Forgiveness and repentance are very important aspects too. Truth is a very important aspect. But it all begins with humility. The reality is that we're never going to forgive another person unless we're humble. We're never going to be repentant unless we're humble. We're never to accept truth unless we're humble. We're never even going to accept love unless we're humble. A lot depends upon this quality being developed in our soul. And if we avoid the development of this quality in our soul then it's highly unlikely other qualities will develop. [02:15:39.10]

**Mary** : Yeah, I could go on and on. I feel that God has already shown me His power and beauty everywhere in creation and humility is the only thing that I must develop. I just have to bring that to the table. He's going to provide everything else.

**AJ** : And I think it's important to recognise too that from God's perspective humility is beautiful. Humility is one of the most beautiful traits an individual can possess.

**Mary** : Thanks, darling.

**AJ** : No worries, babe. Thank you.

Appendix: Interview With Jesus by Mary Magdalene - Humility Sessions 4 & 5 Outline

### RESISTANCE TO HUMILITY - Why We Find Humility Difficult

Q. We've spent a few interviews now discussing true humility. So, could you give us an overview of why, as souls made by God, we collectively seem to find this truly humble state so difficult?

What are some of the ways we resist humility?

### Arrogance

Q. What is arrogance?

Arrogance comes from a basic untruthful emotion that I feel I am better than others: Arrogance; an offensive display of superiority or self-importance, overbearing pride I am automatically judging others as lesser than myself

Q. How does God view arrogance? How does our viewpoint of ourselves when we are arrogant conflict with God's Truth?

I am setting myself up as having authority over others, usurping God's position

I am blasphemous & treating God's children as lesser than myself

Q. How difficult is arrogance to release from ourselves?

Releasing arrogance is VERY difficult emotionally, & arrogance betrays a VERY dark condition

Arrogance is therefore an indication that I am not being humble

Q. What are some of the reasons we develop this injury?

Mostly it is done to avoid the experience of personally painful emotions

When we put others down we get to feel better about ourselves

Q. How much does this emotion darken our souls?

Since arrogance involves the denigration of another, it damages others besides ourselves Therefore it rapidly darkens the condition of our soul with regard to love Every time we are arrogant, we are generally being unloving to others

### False Ego

Q. How would you define 'false ego' for the purposes of this discussion?

It is the Façade, the Image of Yourself that you want to hold onto (parent created)

Q. Are there other words you have used to describe this state? True Ego is the centre of self that God created within you False Ego is the centre you have within yourself that you have personally created to avoid the hurt that society (parents, environment) has created within you:

Ego is the false impression of myself created by my environment

Both my environment & I wish to retain ego so I do not have to feel myself as I truly am

Q. Why is this state so attractive to so many of us?

We do not have to confront society We do not have to confront our parents with truth We get the approval of others agreement

Q. What do I 'gain' or how do I feel 'good' when I live in this state?

I am unwilling to see myself as God sees me, & retain a view only as society or I see myself I become addicted to feeling good by doing what others want, or avoiding what others ridicule Ego causes us to become addicted to admiration from others, & may even cause "false" humility

Q. I am reminded here of the section in the last interview where we discussed humility involving a willingness to be as I am truthfully am. Are my blocks to simply being 'real', simply the addictions to others good opinion of me, or is there more to it than this?

We have severe emotional investments to avoid our own emotional pain Our false ego helps us to maintain our denial and experience of painful emotions, to avoid the painful truth of our life, and helps us to get pleasure from our environment

How could I make concrete steps to challenge my façade and be my true self?

Always openly tell the truth Let yourself see what your soul condition is attracting through the Law of Attraction Examine your own disease, and be humble to the fact that something within creates it

### Judgment & Criticism

Q. What is judgement?

More has been said on this subject in the talk "The Human Soul - Emotions, Truth & Judgement" The Judgment being discussed here is not:

Discernment; noticing the truth & then acting on that truth in a loving manner I must openly state emotional Truth to all people who I interact with The statement of Truth about situations or people is a requirement to remain at-one with God e.g. I can state you are not being loving, that may be a Divine Truth, and is not judgmental

Judgment is the emotion of feeling someone else is lesser than or better than me: It is the emotional treatment of someone as more lowly than myself (or higher than myself) It is the emotional treatment of myself as if I am superior to others (or lower than others) It is being belittling, condescending, snobbish, denigrating, patronizing

Q. What causes us to judge another or ourselves?

We have been trained to judge others by our environment Anything that seems outside of our societies viewpoint of normal is judged Judgement is a method of control, manipulation, of avoiding the fear of something different So it's basic underlying cause is the emotion of FEAR

Q. How does judgment relate to our seeing and speaking truth?

Fear and Truth are opposites. Truth always exposes our fears. Judgement helps us to avoid our fear, and also helps us to deny the truth about how we feel Judgement also helps us to avoid personal responsibility for our own emotional response

Q. Why are judgement and criticism such big blocks our humility?

While I am busy judging and criticising others, I am unable to see myself as I truly am I will not feel my own emotions, nor will I be able to see the Truth

### Intellectual & Emotional Denial Of Unloving Thoughts, Words & Actions

Q. What are the ways we commonly use to live in denial?

More has been said on this subject in the talk "The Human Soul – Denial Of The Soul" Intellectual & emotional denial of my own unloving thoughts, words & actions causes me to:

Justify; "I know that happened, but everybody does it" Minimize; "I know that happened, but it's wasn't really that bad" Shifting The Blame; "I thought/said/did what I did because of you"

Q. How does the denial of God & Gods Laws indicate a lack of humility?

Deny God's Laws; basically explaining to myself that I don't have to follow God's Laws at all

Deny God; my own opinion of what is right is more important to me that God's Truth

Q. How does this impact upon us?

It is the pinnacle of arrogance to think, feel and act as if God's Laws do not matter Denial of the laws allows us to avoid developing a desire to live in harmony with Love It also sets us up, in our own mind, as being God's ourselves, which was the first human error This underlying emotion creates almost all pain on the earth, and within ourselves

Q. Denial seems to be the place where many of us start when we begin any kind of endeavour to discover ourselves and God. Is the world invested in us remaining in a state of denial?

Certainly there are huge investments in denial, and self-reliance is the underlying goal of denial We wish to believe that we do not need God, and can live a life without listening to God's Laws

### Anger With Others

Q. If humility is about feeling all of our emotions, how can our anger (with others) indicate a lack of humility?

More has been said on this subject in the talk "The Human Soul – Anger Is Your Guide" Anger projected towards others is usually:

The result of the denial of my own fear or sadness, The result of personal expectations or desires I feel others should satisfy for me, The result of my addictions not being met

Q. So what does anger indicate about our emotional state?

An indication that I wish to blame others for my own painful emotions

An indication that I wish to blame others for my own personal desires not being met by others

Q. If I am angry, what must I let go of in order to reach a state of humility?

We must be prepared to see, acknowledge, and feel how unloving our addictions are We need to be prepared to give up our unloving addictions in order for the anger to subside

### Hatred Towards Others

Q. Can you describe the emotion of hatred?

Hatred or resentment towards others is usually: A severe feeling of blame aimed towards others to help me avoid my own painful emotions A desire to destroy what I believe is the source of my own unhappiness or pain A desire to cause as much pain to another person that I believe they caused to me A very strong emotion resisting Love (either from God or from others) from entering us

Q. Hatred feels to be such a strong emotion and yet one we often see played out in our world and personal relationships? What leads us to hate?

I hate because I feel others must fix my own severe emotional pain I hate because I wish to deny the experience of my own emotional pain I hate because I do not wish to forgive

Q. What would be required to shift from a state of hatred to one of humility?

When we are humble, we wish to forgive others rather than hold onto hatred of them When we forgive, we also benefit ourselves, since we no longer feel terrible emotions To forgive, we must release the cause of hatred, which is a desire to avoid our own fear and grief

Living In Fear & Doubt

Q. How would you describe the state of 'living in fear'?

Very different to feeling and experiencing fear

Living in fear is when we justify the fear to ourselves, and then live pandering to the fear

Q. How does this cause us not to be humble?

More has been said on this subject in the talk "The Human Soul – Fear Is Your Friend" Living in terror or fear usually:

Is an excuse I use to prevent myself from feeling deeper much more painful emotions Is holding onto a belief that the false is True & resisting the emotional release of the false Is projecting damage to all living things around us & therefore not taking emotional responsibility Is making the people around me pander to and support my fears Is working around my fears rather than confronting them physically and emotionally

Q. I know that many of us find fear to be a difficult emotion. Do you have any tips on how to recognise we are living in fear rather than confronting or releasing it?

When we are modifying our life to suit our fears, then we are living in fear We must recognize that we are justifying our fear Then we must confront the fear with the Truth, God's Truth We must not look to others to support our fear, or agree with us holding onto fear

Q. When we stop living in fear do we then automatically begin the process of releasing it?

In fact experiencing and releasing our fear can only begin when we no longer live in it

Q. Can you describe doubt? Is doubt a real emotion?

Doubt is basically a state, rather than an emotion Living in doubt, rather than allowing the emotions (fears) under the doubt to surface:

I seek other people who are in doubt in order to support my own condition of doubt I seek to cause other people to doubt to avoid my own fear of action Doubt prevents us from living the Truth by giving us an excuse to avoid action

Q. So it sounds like doubt is something that helps us avoid our true feelings? Is this true?

Yes, doubt helps us avoid our fears, and helps us get away with inaction Doubt is a state that allows for inactivity Doubt is a justification to avoid any action because of fear But, because we do not face our fear, we choose doubt as our denial of fear Doubt prevents us from acting on Truth we already feel in our own heart Doubt is both a lack of humility, and a lack of courage

### Seeking Power, Position, Glory, Respect or Value

Q. It seems that many of us are taught by society or our families to seek some, if not all, of these things. How does seeking these things prevent our humility?

Giving of yourself to others only for a feeling of glory, being noticed, respected, valued: Often our motives for so-called "loving" action are totally selfish & self-focused Rather than "acts of love" our actions are often addictions disguised as love We take these actions because we actually want something, and outcome of some kind Whenever we act in an addiction, we are automatically lacking humility

Q. What am I avoiding when I seek these things?

I seek emotions from others in order to feed my false ego, feed my false opinion of self I seek emotions from others to avoid my own deeper causal emotional experience I am avoiding the emotion of powerlessness, or being alone, no-one noticing me I am avoiding the pain of feeling deeper emotions or facing the real truth

Q. What kinds of effects can we have on those around us, especially our children, when we project these emotions?

This is a major emotional cause for our children to seek addictive substances It is oppressive emotionally for others to always be required to emotionally support us If others wish to be in our company, they are forced to pander to the emotions we are seeking When we do not get these emotions satisfied, we are hurt or angry

Q. It sounds like in this state we only give of ourselves under very specific conditions. Is this true? What are those conditions?

Giving of self only to get something emotionally in return is not a position of humility

It is, instead, an emotional addiction

Q. So how would we reach a state of humility if we had this injury?

When we seek these things, it is because of deep emotional hurt from childhood We can choose to accept and experience the emotional hurt, rather than satisfy the addiction

### Jealousy

Q. Can you describe jealousy for us?

Being unhappy, angry, resentful or in a rage that others are (seemingly) happy: I project anger or needy emotions at others when others have things that I do not have I am unwilling to experience the deeper emotions within myself about myself I do not desire the best for others, but rather feel upset when others have success or joy I feel that others should not be successful or joyous unless we also can be the same

Jealousy is an indication that we are not being humble

Q. What causes jealousy?

Jealousy is created when we avoid or resist deeper emotional feelings of; Being less than others, being shameful or dirty, feeling powerless

Q. Can we be jealous not just of things that others truly have, but things we perceive that they have?

Of course, most of our emotions are about our perspective, rather than reality

Q. How could a person let go of jealousy?

We must be more humble, and allow ourselves to feel the deeper emotions of being less than others, being shameful or dirty, feeling powerless, rather than trying to make other people lesser than ourselves, or change the actions of others through our anger

### Commiseration

Q. What is commiseration and how does it prevent humility?

When we want others to commiserate with, agree with, or support our emotional state: We grumble for the sake of attention We complain about how "hard" everything is We want others to agree with our own assessment of things

We want others to make us feel good about ourselves by agreeing with us Commiseration is not taking responsibility for our own emotions & therefore not a state of humility

Q. Why might we have become addicted to commiseration? (What emotions might I be preventing by living in a state of always wanting commiseration?)

When we get agreement from others, we feel justified in our own course of action When others disagree with us, then we may feel condemned and lack courage

Q. When we are truly humble how would we respond to others desiring to commiserate with us and our problems?

When truly humble, we want to feel all of our own real emotions When truly humble, we accept Divine Truth even when others may disagree with it When truly humble, we are willing to be alone on an issue of Truth When truly humble, we want to feel everything that is actually within us, rather than avoid it

Q. So when we are all humble will there ever be a place for agreement with how others feel? How does commiseration differ from compassion?

We can never agree with emotion that is out of harmony with love We can always feel compassionate that someone has emotions out of harmony with love We can always understand how these emotions were created But we would never agree with them holding onto these emotions for any reason

### How Do I Know I Am Being Humble?

If I let go of all of these resistances (that we have discussed today) will I automatically be humble?

Obviously it will help a great deal When we let go of the resistance to humility, it becomes almost automatic to feel the real emotion We also become more open to Divine Truth, in fact we desire it rather than resisting it

How will I know I am humble, living a humble life?

I will feel a passionate desire to feel & experience all of my own emotion without damaging others I will feel a passionate desire to take responsibility emotionally for everything happening in my life I will have a passionate desire to be as I really am with everyone around me I will have a deep desire for God to teach me everything I need to know

I will have a deep desire to see myself as God sees me I will receive direct and indirect counsel, criticism & assistance without resistance I will enjoy being childlike even when those around me judge me or treat me condescendingly Divine Truth's will enter me easily without a struggle

How does humility relate to truth? What is the relationship between love and humility?

Without humility, Divine Truth cannot enter the soul emotionally Without Divine Truth entering the soul, Divine Love cannot enter, and we remain resistant to God's Love A lack of humility creates all human suffering, including our own death Humility brings us to life, happiness, Truth and Love

