- Hey Pokemon Masters Bird
Keeper Toby here, Ash and Red,
Red appears in the latest
trailer for Pokemon Sun and Moon
and Ash-Greninja appears in
the demo, so how can this be?
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Which is a Pokemon Sun and Moon
theory about Red and Ash, let's go.
Backtracking just a
little we have all thought
for the longest time collectively
as a community that Ash
is another version of Red, the
two characters are the same
but different, existing
in parallel universes.
Ash of course being in
the show but Red being
in Pokemon Origins or in the games.
They're essentially different
versions of the same character
but Pokemon Sun and Moon which
is coming out very very soon,
that rhymes, well that has kind
of disproven the whole thing
with Ash-Greninja and Red
being in the same game.
How is this even possible?
Before I get into some
explanations let me just remind you
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Right, let's get on with the
theory, and I say theory, I
actually mean three theories
because this video doesn't come
to one conclusive answer, it
comes to three pretty good
adequate answers, I think
that explain the goings on of
having Ash-Greninja and
Red in the same universe.
So I'll tell you the three,
I'll tell you which is my
favorite and you'll have to
let me know which is yours,
which hey, that can be your comment.
So solution number one, Ash
doesn't exist in Pokemon Sun and
Moon, he only exists in the
non-canon Pokemon Sun and Moon
demo, so the way you acquire
the Ash-Greninja is through
the Pokemon Sun and Moon special
demo version, and similar
to how you can get Mega Gallade
or Steelix, depending on
where you live from the
Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
special demo version, these
demos are kind of an intro to
the game but the plot points,
they don't play out the same
way that the actual games do,
and in this demo you get sent
an Ash-Greninja right at the beginning
from an unmarked character
which we assume is Ash,
and I'm going to go right ahead
and assume that that is not
what happens in the beginning
of the actual Sun and Moon,
meaning the Pokemon sun and
Moon demo isn't part of the same
canon it's actually part
of a separate canon,
a separate parallel universe.
Hey maybe all the demos happen
in the same universe, who knows.
Now we know the Pokemon
multi-verse is a thing already,
there's lots of different
versions of reality going on,
so there's Ruby and Sapphire,
they're parallel universes,
but then Omega Ruby or Alpha
Sapphire are other parallel
universes but by extension
you've also got the show is a
totally separate universe and
origins is a totally separate
universe and it's my belief
that maybe, that this demo
version is just another one of those,
one where instead of Red Ash exists.
So yes absolutely in the
demo Ash is totally part
of the game but in the main
game it's Red instead of Ash,
and given that there's always
been a bit of teacher trade
between inter-dimensional
games, well sending
over your Ash-Greninja to the main game
is just another version of that, and that
can make sense as to have you
can have Ash-Greninja in the
main games where Red exists,
of course that's just option
number one because if you
decide that actually no the demo
is part of the same canon of
the game then option number
two is that it's not Ash's
Greninja it's Red's Greninja,
I mean yes we know it is Ash's
Greninja but that is because
we are higher beings that are
able to observe the shows and
the games and all of those
universes at once, kind of
god-like and we just happened
to see in the show first,
so it's easiest for us to just
equate it to Ash's Greninja
but really in terms of the
canon of the game it's Red's
Greninja, I mean let's face
it the only thing that really
makes that transformation
special is the hair at the side
of Greninja's face and hey,
Red still has that hair.
Now of course in the demo your
main character receives it
from someone who doesn't
mark their name which is
interesting because Red
also doesn't make a lot of
statements himself and given
that your character moved to
the Alola region from Kanto
could it be possible that your
character is Red's son and
that he's passing down the
Greninja to his son or maybe
not even that, just a friend
from Kanto, there is one problem
with this though and that
is when Greninja uses Battle
Bond and it transforms into
Ash-Greninja on the screen
it visibly says Ash-Grenija,
surely in the games it would
says Red's Grenija if this is
the case, I don't think that's
necessarily true, because the
character in the game doesn't
experience that line of text,
the character walking around
with their Pokemon sending out
Greninja, he doesn't see the
text that says battle bond or
Ash-Greninja that is there for
our benefit again as players
of the game, the characters
don't see it so it's not part of
the actual canon of the games,
rather it's just there as an
expositional thing to
help us out so it's saying
Ash-Greninja because that's
what we know it looks like,
but really in terms of the
game's lore it's Red's Greninja.
Of course maybe you don't buy
that and that's okay because
there is option number three
and that is of course that Ash
and Red do exist in the same
universe and I can't tell you
how much I hate this idea but my feelings
about it aside it makes a lot of sense.
As I say the way I've seen it, you've got
these two characters, they're
a little bit the same,
but a little bit different,
they both started off
in Palette Town with a
Pikachu, I mean depending on
which version you're looking at,
whether you're looking
at the Origins version
or the manga version or the game version.
The point is the characters
are similar but also very very
different and so I have always
seen them as counterparts,
however if they exist in the same universe
then what exactly does
that make Red to Ash?
There have been theories
going around before that
potentially Red could be Ash's
father, again an idea I've
never been truly convinced
by and to be clear when I'm
talking about Ash being in the
games, I'm not talking about
the same Ash from the show I'm
talking about a new Ash that
exists within the world of
the games, similar to how you
have Red from the games but
then Red from Pokemon Origins,
they're two separate, again
parallel versions of each other.
The thing is this idea kind of
raises up a lot of questions
about let's say Gary and Blue
who again, does that mean that
there's two very similar
characters existing
in the same world, could
one be the other's son?
There have been hints to Ash
existing in the Pokemon world
before with the special event
Ash Pikachu from the Diamond
Pearl era and there is now one
other bit of evidence which
is technically a spoiler because
it hasn't been officially
revealed yet but it was found
through data mining, I am
going to spoil it for you,
but it's tiny I promise,
in three, four, three, two, one,
you totally had time to
click away if you wanted to.
There are Pikachus wearing Ash's
different hats in the game,
it's like a customizable option
I guess, as well as that,
in the Delta episode Steven
talks about Alan another
character we thought to be
exclusive to the show, the
character that meets up and
battles Ash so it really
is possible that some version of Ash
exists within the game universe.
Now interestingly when he goes
to Alola Ash is 10 years old
as he is with every other
region but by the time Red is
having his adventure in Alola
he's like 20 or 30, this may
well add more to the idea that Ash
is Red's little brother or son.
My favorite theory is number
two, that this is actually
Red's Greninja not Ash's
Greninja, I hope that's the case.
That's it, of course you're going to have
to leave a comment and let
me know what you think.
Who's Greninja is this, is Red
existing in the same world as Ash?
We'll have to wait and see.
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While writing this video I
came up with another theory
about Red which is coming out
next week, I'm really excited
about it, I looking forward to
bringing it to you and of course
leave me a comment, which solution is your
favorite or do you have
a fourth better solution.
(speaking in foreign
language) Pokemon Masters.
- [Ash] This is Ash Ketchum,
you've just watched a
video by Bird Keeper Toby, that
makes you a Pokemon Master.
