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- I've been friends with Logic,
or Bobby, as he introduces himself,
for a few years now.
He's at a really
interesting and mature place
in his life and career,
and I wanted to have a
conversation about where he is now,
and what's to come.
We talk about his upcoming
book, feature film,
money, fame, and walking away
from social media to reset.
He's a great guy with a powerful message,
perspective, and sense of humor.
I really hope you enjoy
this conversation with Logic
today on Between the Sheets.
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Bobby.
- Yes.
- Sir Robert Bryson Hall, the second.
- [Logic] Yes.
- Thanks for joining me, dude.
- Thank you.
- [Brian] We're drinking Godfathers today.
(glasses clinking)
- Godfathers, never had one.
- It's only fitting.
Let me know how you like it.
- Wow.
Holy shit, that's amazing!
- Pretty good right, yeah?
'Cause you just drink
scotch, mostly, right?
- [Logic] Yeah.
- [Brian] 'Cause you
just started drinking?
- A couple years ago.
- [Brian] A couple years ago.
- Yeah.
- You avoided it for a long time.
- A long time.
- Were you afraid you
were gonna turn into me?
- No, my parents.
Yeah, 'cause my mom was a
alcoholic and drug addict,
and my dad as well, so it was in my blood.
But I had drank when I was
younger, in high school,
but I would fall asleep right away.
So I never felt the effects
or anything like that.
I did smoke weed for a while,
but that made me super
paranoid, like insanely.
- You were already having anxiety?
- Well, no, 'cause I mean--
- [Brian] It was pre-that?
- Yeah, it was like,
I was still a teenager
so I was in high school,
thinking I was Snoop Dogg
and all my friends were like,
"What the fuck, stop being a bitch."
Can I say fuck?
- You can say whatever you want,
except for the stuff the stuff
that I told you you can't.
(laughing)
- Okay, got it, cool.
- [Brian] But yeah, you can cuss.
- Just don't talk about
your negative bank account.
- Don't talk about me at all,
don't tell anyone anything
you know about me.
- [Logic] Okay.
(laughing)
- That's the only rule that you can't do
is tell anyone any of my secrets.
- Yeah, but when I was like 27,
that's when I started smoking weed again
'cause I had insane anxiety,
that horrible derealization
where you feel like
you're out of your body
and I was experiencing it, and
you knew what that was like
and that was super hard.
I just was like, man,
what if I truly used weed
as a medical, like medicinal thing.
And I tried it and it
started to ease my anxiety.
But I realized it was less about actually,
the substance itself than
it was about the mentality
that I had with it.
I was always a,
like a power thing.
I was scared to smoke because
I needed to be in control.
When you smoke weed, you're
kind of letting control go
and you're like, whoa man, this is crazy.
And I was never, couldn't
be like Tommy Chong.
I was like no, I need to be in control.
- [Brian] Right.
- But when I learned to really let it go
and just kind of enjoy
it, and also microdosing.
- Yeah, not going overboard.
- Yeah, just taking a little pull
and then realizing like, wow.
And then away from the substance
is like if I feel anxiety
or anxiousness or whatever,
I'm just like, it's cool.
You're in control, just calm down.
A big thing of it though, was balance.
I was just working too hard.
- Yeah.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- You gotta figure out, that's
the biggest thing right?
The balance.
'Cause you have to figure it
out with this in moderation,
you gotta figure it out in work.
- Yeah.
The biggest balance was personal
life, personal and work,
'Cause I would work all the time.
'Cause I love what I do, you know,
as a musician and a writer.
I love it, so I wanna do it all the time
and even though my heart is willing,
I have to give my body a
break, it's very important.
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- You brought up your
parents, and a lot of times--
(laughing)
Don't do that.
Don't look straight into the camera.
We're gonna cut all that out.
I'm gonna add some bunny ears,
I'm gonna add a Snapchat filter to it.
- Damn, that's fuckin' good.
- It's good, right?
If you want another one, let me know.
20 bucks and we'll get ya a refill.
- All right, you got it.
- Speaking of your work
ethic and your parents,
a lot of people get their, they learn,
'cause you have a very strong work ethic
and a lot of people learn that
from watching the
example of their parents.
Your parents weren't
necessarily a shimmering,
shining example in many
regards in that way
so where did the work ethic come from?
- It's funny, I always think
that it's the same reason,
so in my household it was
drugs and domestic abuse
and violence, you could
look at me and be like,
oh, I look however I look but the truth is
I've shot guns and ran around with people
and done stupid shit.
- Yeah.
- Nothing that I like,
can look in the mirror
and truly regret, like, oh
my god, nothing like that
but that's all that I saw and
my parents weren't really,
they didn't set a good example
and I think it was like,
if I saw my mother being beaten by a man,
it was like, oh, well that's
not how you treat a woman.
- [Brian] Right.
- You know what I mean,
or if I see people really
ruining their lives
because of drugs and alcohol, I'm like oh,
you don't overdo it.
So it was like a weird voice inside of me
that was kinda just like a, I don't know,
like a narrator of, don't do this.
Where other people would see
it and that would be like
an example set, like oh, it's
okay, we can do this and that
and treat women XYZ and blah blah blah
but I just saw it differently.
I don't know, it's weird.
- Yeah, where do you think
that morality distinction
came for you, because like you said,
most people who grow up
around that sort of end up
taking on those same kind of behaviors,
but you immediately at
a young age were like
no, this is not the,
I think it's because you
saw the effect, probably.
- Yeah, I definitely saw the effect
but I also saw how it affected me,
'cause I've always wanted
to, I've always wanted
a family and children, these are things
that I'm excited to have
and do and be a part of
and experience as a man, but like,
I just knew because I was
the child being abused
or witnessing abuse,
like oh, I would never
want to make anyone feel like that.
It was weird, like you could
call it God, the energy,
the universe, whatever,
but it was this thing,
this voice that was like, don't do that.
I mean I still do stupid
shit, but not like that.
- Yeah, you weren't going
around beating people up
and stuff like that.
- I can see the jokes
you wanna say so much.
- Savin' em up, I'm savin' em up.
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So you came into, not the
kinda money that I have
but you came into some money,
you know, mid to late 20s.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- What's the most
ridiculous thing that you've
spent money on now that you have that?
- It's crazy.
So it's only recently,
and it was a Bronco.
I spent--
- [Brian] The Bronco.
- $250,000 cash, 1967 Bronco,
fully restored inside.
- So that was post-restoration,
you didn't pay that and then--
- No, it already looked amazing.
It was great, it was just in
perfect, perfect condition
and I loved it and it's really,
it's really dope.
But I also saw it as, you know,
there's still money in that
so if I ever want to sell it, I have that
which is really nice, and then this Rolex
which is funny 'cause--
- [Brian] You bought that for yourself?
- Yeah, I bought it for
myself when I was up for
the Song of the Year award at the Grammy's
and I was like, man, I'm
gonna go to the Grammy's,
I'm gonna wear a suit, and I've
always wanted a Rolex, forever.
I've been able to afford
a Rolex for a long time,
but I was like why, I don't
really need to do it right now.
And there was two reasons that I did it.
One, 'cause it's like, man,
this is a momentous occasion,
it's something I'm always gonna remember`
and hey, why not?
And then two, I can give it to
my son whenever I have kids.
It's like an heirloom.
I'm really weird, I don't
spend a lot of money.
I'm always like man, should I
do this or should I do that,
and my friends are like,
you're rich, motherfucker,
are you serious?
- Yeah, live a little bit.
- Yeah, live a little bit, for sure.
That's a thing, so I've been spending
a little bit of money, kinda,
but it's always slight shit.
It's not like, insane, it's not crazy.
It's more so things like experiences.
I feel bad even when I
buy clothes, you know.
- [Brian] Why?
- I don't know.
- Just 'cause look at the price tag
and you go, I don't know if I can
spend this on a--
- Yeah.
I bought Yeezys, I
bought two pair of Yeezys
and it was like 10 grand.
Exactly, you know, and it's like,
oh my god, you spent $10,000 on shoes?
But in my mind I was
like, that's so stupid.
Forever, I was like, why would somebody
spend that much money,
blah blah blah blah,
but the truth is it's
something I always wanted
and I don't owe anybody
a fucking explanation.
- [Brian] No, you don't.
- It's an internal thing,
'cause broke Bobby's like,
what the fuck are you doin',
man, I'm trying to eat,
I'm eating powdered
eggs and shit, you know?
(laughing)
- [Brian] Yeah, yeah.
- You're buying $10,000 shoes.
But then I'm looking at my
account, and like, respectfully,
lookin' at it like, man you deserve this,
dude, you work hard.
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- We were talking about your tattoos and
you have a pretty
interesting list of things
that you're sort of a fan of
as far as like, movies and TV.
You got Cowboy Bebop,
you love Interstellar,
you love Tarantino movies,
obviously, all that stuff.
- Yeah.
- What is it about those types of stories,
like let's talk about Cowboy Bebop.
Huge impact on your life.
- [Logic] Yep.
- You have a tattoo.
- [Logic] I got Spike.
- You got a little Spike.
You obviously got to
work with Steve and Mary
and you know them now.
What was it about Cowboy
Bebop that got you?
- I kind of looked up to
this guy when I was younger.
He was like an older kid by a few years
and I was probably like 11,
and I just was so amazed
by his talent, he was a
writer and he would write
and he would draw.
He would draw all these
Incredible characters
and I was so jealous.
I was like, I wish I could do that
so I started drawing
Dragon Ball Z characters
and shit and all the stuff
and watching Cowboy Bebop
and he kind of introduced
me to it and I was like,
I wanna be creative, I
want to be able to come up
with stories about space and
travel and bounty hunters
and, you know, anything.
It was just something at a
young age really triggered
and just hit me and was
like yo, you can do this,
you can have fun and you
can create things, and yeah.
- So, this is sort of
a reminder for you of
the inspiration that those
things had on your life.
- Yeah, I mean honestly, that's one thing,
I'll post, I'll post
like this one right here.
It's Bobby Boy, it's my
production company logo.
the reason I got this little guy, right,
this is me at like, five years old,
five to eight years old.
All right, and he's saying,
you can do anything you want,
no matter what in the world.
And imagine all the
insecurities that you can
have about yourself, right?
Like truly, like not
even in a joking manner,
like serious insecurities,
whatever they could be.
You know, you can think
you're too fat, too skinny,
you're bald, you're
poor, you're, you know,
not a good lover, you're this and this.
- [Brian] Right, right.
- There's all these things.
Imagine writing them
down on a list, and then
someone shows you a picture
of yourself as a child
and says okay, now read
that list to that kid.
So that's why I like this,
because he's telling me
like, no matter what, you can.
He's full of imagination,
there's no telling him
that there isn't, you know.
There isn't anything forward.
So I got that.
- It's a reminder of innocence too, right?
- Yeah, 100%.
That's what I love, and people, you know,
they'll say whatever they
want, but the truth is,
I get tattoos because I love them
and I'm surrounded by all these things.
Ready Player One and
Currents, the Tame album,
What For, Toro y Moi, Akira,
Cowboy Bebop, The Goonies.
The reason I got this is because it's
one of the first films I
ever remember as a child.
- Watching?
- Yeah, and that it was amazing.
Salad Days, Mac DeMarco,
Sinatra's signature.
The time I went to to
Tokyo, I have Kill Bill,
which is the first film that really
got me into hip-hop
because RZA did the score.
- [Brian] Right.
- Ultra 85, which is an album I've been
working on for 90 thousand years.
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- Four years ago your first
actual album came out.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- Four years ago, not that long.
- Yeah, I know.
It's weird 'cause it feels
like fucking forever.
- It does.
Obviously a lot in your
life has changed since then.
- Yeah, definitely.
- But what's the biggest changes?
Outside of all the stuff
that we've talked about
and we know, money, success, fame--
- But the biggest change,
the biggest change period is
physical and mental health and happiness.
That is the number one.
I used to like drive
myself into the ground,
working on music for 18
hours and not eating,
and not, just stupid
shit like that, you know.
And so focused on others,
'cause that's a big thing
that I truly freed myself from
is social media and like
what the public thinks.
Because it's scary like
everyone wants to be loved.
It's just true, you want to be loved,
you want to be accepted.
If I'm accepted by this
group, then they'll,
then I can accept myself.
Like that's what it
really all comes down to,
like happiness and
personal like, it's insane.
But I think the biggest thing is like,
I quit smoking, you know,
and I understand now what matters most.
And my health and my happiness
is the most important, just period.
It's the most important thing.
- Yeah, when I met you, you
were eating like one meal a day.
It was like McDonald's, and--
- [Logic] Yeah, I was eating like shit.
- Grinding in the studio.
- Yeah, I remember there was
a time when I would drink
seven cans of coke a day and
I fucking was pissing blood
and had to go the hospital, like crazy.
- Yeah, that's kidneys.
- Yeah, and it's just bad
I was a young, I was like,
well then I was like 23.
But it's like you're just an idiot.
You think you're going to live forever--
- Oh I drank a 12-pack
of Mountain Dew a day
when I was playing Call of Duty--
- Dude, it's insane.
- Talking shit to 12 year olds.
- But you think, you think
you're gonna live forever.
- Right.
- Think about it, you don't really
think about tomorrow,
you expect it to come.
And then you get older and
people you love like pass away,
and you just start seeing
shit for what it really is,
and you're like well this is crazy.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- And, but I feel good.
I'm really happy like working
out, it's been amazing.
And even just taking a
break too, like but not,
see a break for me is still like
making like three songs a week.
- Yeah, a break is, you
may not be going anywhere,
but you're still working.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- No matter what.
- Yeah, because that's who I am.
But it's more so traveling,
like I hate traveling.
You know and some people can be like,
"What how can you hate traveling bro,
you get to see the world."
But no it's like I get to see
green rooms and hotel rooms.
- [Brian] Yeah, you get to see the--
- The airport, like that's it.
And after a long time,
it can become stressful
and fuckin' make you depressing.
- Well most of the time too,
what people don't understand,
and this goes back to the
conversation about social media,
is that the snippets that we
see of someone's life online
is often not really an
accurate representation.
So if you're in London doing
a show or whatever else,
it's not like you get to hang out
in London for two weeks--
- Yeah, I know.
- Or whatever else.
You have to go in, go out.
Plus while you're there, you
probably have 15 interviews.
You gotta talk to a bunch
of douche bags like me.
- 100%, it's annoying.
- Yeah, super annoying.
And then you have to
get on a plane or a bus
and go somewhere else right away.
So, you don't really
get to savor and enjoy
those vacations unless you take time off
or you choose to take one.
- Yeah, that's why I been
like not on social media much,
because like I use to kinda,
if there were other artists
that would like take hiatuses
and then come back when they had an album,
I almost felt like fuck that person.
Like they're only coming back
to their fans to try to like
promote an album--
- [Brian] Sell, sell them, yeah.
- And that's it and then they're out,
but the truth is like I
spent my entire career
you know pretty much a
decade, the last 10 years,
on Twitter and Instagram,
everyday, all the time,
doing multiple things for them,
and engaging and this and that.
And now it's at a point where I just
literally can't even do that anymore.
Because now you don't even know
who the true fans even are anymore.
It's like a household name.
So it's like you know what I'm just gonna
stick to the music and the content,
and make this for the
fans, and go on tour,
and see the fans there,
and do fun private events
and little gigs for them, and do that.
And so I'm using it more so as
a way to still stay in touch
and connect with fans
regarding social media,
but it's like dude I don't
check my phone when I wake up.
It's amazing, I don't check my phone
1,000 times throughout the day.
And it makes me, it's just so freeing.
Like I spend my time reading, or writing,
or with loved ones, or
my dogs, it's amazing.
- Yeah, it was a few
months ago, I feel like,
you made that transition.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- Was there a specific
incident or was it just like
I'm ready?
- Yeah, I was to the point
every single time I got on
social media, I was sad.
And I didn't really
realize I was depressed.
I mean imagine every time you
go, someone calls you a bitch,
or a faggot, or an
asshole, or you're ugly,
or you're terrible, or you're
bald, or you're you know,
your relationships don't
work out, da da da, xyz.
It's like dude, that fuckin' sucks,
it sucks bro.
- [Brian] Constant, constant.
- Like every single time
you logon to something,
it's about how you're not good enough,
you're not adequate enough,
do this, don't do this.
And even like positive comments,
are still like berated with negativity.
For example--
- Backhanded like compliments.
- Yeah, it's like,
"Oh I really like that
song, do more this."
And it's like--
- Or it's like "Oh this song
is great, it's the first one
I've liked that you've
done in the last five years
since you stopped doing
mix tapes" or whatever.
- But it's like oh but,
you're still listening
to all that music like, it's so,
it's like a weird, but then
you gotta take it out of it.
'Cause I go and I'm like,
I want this kid to like me,
and they're 14 drinking 12 Mountain Dews.
- Right, right yeah.
- And you're like what, and
you just have to separate it.
But it's because we're in such
an era of like connectivity,
that they feel, like
the consumer feels like
they own and rule--
- The artist.
- The artist, like they're a
king, and we're the jester,
and they're like do this,
and this is what we'd like
and what we don't like, but
the fact of the matter is
Alan Watts, the late
great philosopher said,
"Anything you could be interested,
you'll find others who are."
So it's like I create the music
for like-minded individuals
who enjoy it, and not people who don't.
- Right.
- And that's what a lot of
people don't understand,
like whether there's viewers
here that just don't like
my fucking face or yours or this or that,
they're still watching.
And they're still making us money.
- True.
- So, if we keep doing us,
they're gonna keep providing.
And even deep down, a lot of
like hate is truly internal.
I know it sounds kinda cliche or corny,
but it's like a lot of
negativity that we are given,
is more so people that aren't
satisfied with themselves.
And they see you and your
great position you know,
hosting the show and all the endeavors
that you're a part of, and they're like,
"I can do it better than that"
and, "If I had that I would."
But the fact of the matter is
they're fucking watching from
home, those negative people,
and you're here and that's why they say
those hurtful things to you or me
or anyone in the public eye.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- Yeah, it's wild.
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- Do you feel when you
go into the studio now,
post sort of giving up on
that social media anxiety,
there's a bunch of,
I've been reading
articles for months about
the connections between
depression and anxiety
and people constantly checking that stuff,
and then being ruled by the
numbers and all the bullshit.
But do you feel, when
you go into the studio,
that stuff isn't in your
head as much anymore?
You're able to focus on the song
you wanna make--
- It definitely has, yeah.
- Versus the song they want you to make?
- It definitely that, especially
when you have a hit record
that's like for a
generation, like with 1-800,
it's like insane.
And then me touring that and talking
about suicide and depression for a year,
can make you fucking feel
like killing yourself.
- I was gonna say, did you get to a point,
doing that song and all that stuff,
'cause like it's super
weird, 'cause I remember
going to your studio and
you playing me that song
before everybody came out.
I'm like whoa this is
dope, this is a great,
it's a nice little bunny trail compared to
some of the other tracks on the thing.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- I don't think anybody would've guessed--
- [Logic] No, nobody.
- Those were not part
of the conversations back then--
- And then it comes out
like and people was like,
"Oh of course," whatever.
- [Brian] Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Did you get tired of doing that
song and playing that thing
because it was so heavy?
- Yeah.
- [Brian] But you also
see the response from it?
- Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
So it's like bittersweet.
- Yeah.
- At the end of the day it's like that was
a major part of my life for a year,
it's nothing compared to
the heroes at the hotline
who deal with it every single day.
- [Brian] Exactly.
- So, it's like, I'm not
complaining, I'm merely
just venting as a human being.
But I mean it was great,
it was really amazing
and really special, it's like the fuckboys
I had to interview that
I didn't fuck with.
- Yeah.
- It's like "Yeah so 1-800, uh,"
like you didn't even take the time to know
the fucking phone number or you know
"Yeah, I really love the album, Everyone"
and I'm like fuck you
man, it's like Jesus.
- [Brian] Do your research.
- Yeah, but I love sitting down
with incredible journalists
and people who interview and take the time
and that's what it was, it was less about,
it's always less about, it was more just
yo this is my first time like
now I'm a household name.
You know, like soccer
moms and shit know Logic.
And that's crazy, and that's
awesome and that's what I want.
I want to reach everyone
and I want to reach them
with a positive message but
the fact of the matter is,
once I had a hit record I
was like oh okay cool well
you know I'll keep this
up, or I don't know.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- But now just after all
that, I just go to the studio
and I make music that I
think is going to be fun.
I don't even think, I
don't think radio anymore.
- Radio's not really a thing
right now though so it's not--
- But that's what I mean,
I think more so like
is this just gonna be a
big song, like I'm excited.
Like oh I made this turn-up song.
Are people in college gonna play this?
Are they gonna play this here and there?
I'm not like are you gonna play this
on the radio and in the club?
Like, I don't think that shit.
- Right.
- But everyone goes through ups and downs
and everyone wants to be accepted.
And it's like I just wanna be me.
And I just wanna have fun,
and that's what I have
been doing, and it's amazing.
- Yeah, more fulfilling
being true to yourself then.
Because the thing is, if you
try to please those people
all the time, those people's
what they want changes
all the time too.
- Yeah, because they grow.
- [Brian] Exactly.
- I wanna be known as one
of most diverse artists
of my generation, like truly.
And I'm not gonna do
that by fucking rappin'
on boom-bat beats all the time.
- [Brian] Yeah, it makes sense.
- Like it's just you know,
lyrical, spiritual,
habitual, literal, like what.
- Yeah.
- [Logic] You know.
- You're boxing yourself in in that way.
- Yeah, so but that why even
like these freestyle fridays
I've been doing, which
are like mini music videos
that loop over and over,
like I haven't really
seen anybody do that.
So I was like oh this could be really fun.
And not all just super hip-hop,
whether it's trap, or this or that.
And then I had this one song
produced by Mac DeMarco,
that I did recently on this 360 camera.
And I was like a little nervous,
like I wonder what people are gonna think.
I didn't really give a
shit 'cause I feel like
it's really good quality music in general,
I was just like oh this is a 180
going from like trap
the week before to this.
Like I wonder what people are gonna think.
And a lot of people really
loved it and enjoyed it.
And that excites me, because
I wanna do different shit.
And that doesn't mean I
wanna like never do rap,
of course I love rap,
but I'd also love to sing
and play the piano and challenge myself.
The biggest thing is about
challenging yourself.
But it's crazy 'cause it's
been a bit of an experiment.
The first freestyle Friday I did,
was just like as if I was
talking to a therapist
about the things on my mind.
And think about kids, think about bills,
think about how to maintain these bills,
think about youth on drugs and pills,
like thinking 'bout all this deep shit.
And that hadn't even hit a million views.
And then the next week I release a song
where the hook is
cocaine, cocaine, cocaine,
cocaine, molly, Percocet, my rep,
and it was like, that shit was like
1.5 million like it was nothing.
- Why do you think that is?
- Because people love negative shit.
It's just 100%.
It's like one it sounds good
so it makes you do this.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- Yeah, cocaine, I could
be saying anything.
But then you equate that
to what other rappers
are talking about and this and that.
Me myself, it's funny
then 'cause you know,
you have all these comments that are like,
"This shit's crazy, this is fire."
And then you have people
like, "You're changing."
- Yeah, yeah, yeah you've changed.
I've seen that when you
started posting videos
about like, where there's
weed in the video.
- Yeah, who gives a fuck.
- And it's like how dare
you, you're an example
for all these young kids, and it's like
yeah but you could be doing a lot worse.
- Yeah, I could, but it's not even worse.
It's legal where I am, I use
it for medicinal purposes,
I enjoy it, I have fun,
and I ain't killin' nobody.
What is it, fucking romaine's
killing more people than weed.
- I saw that yeah, romaine lettuce.
- [Logic] Straight up.
- Yeah.
But are they smoking it?
(laughing)
- But that's the thing is like,
it just gets a bigger response.
So it's still people that are like,
whether you love it or hate it,
if I post this negative thing,
it's more people enjoy it.
And so it was a bit of
a social experiment.
But the fact of the matter is, with Logic,
there's always a double meaning.
- Right.
- So if you really listen to the hook,
cocaine, cocaine, cocaine, cocaine, molly,
Percocet, my rep, move up like a dolly,
if I talk about this
shit more often probably.
But everyone negates if
I talk about this shit
more often probably and
they just, "Cocaine,
what is this" and "who
are you" and "1-800 guy."
- Right.
But does that, when you see
the difference in the response?
- [Logic] Yeah, yeah.
- You're not the type of person to go okay
I'm only gonna do this shit now
because that's all the people like.
- No, not at all.
- You want people to come on
board with this other stuff,
and it ultimately ends up working.
- It does, it's like
pills in the applesauce.
That's what 9th Wonder, legendary
hip-hop producer told me.
You put the pills in the applesauce,
you always put a message there.
But it's me, there's always
a message no matter what.
And I'm working on an album
now, that's like really dope.
And it talks a lot about just
where we are as a society,
and the things that like,
I mean it's insane how with
social media for example,
it's okay, I could have a
million likes on a post,
and then I could have 20,000 comments.
And out of those 20,000 comments,
3,000 comments could be negative.
But I focus on the negative.
- [Brian] Right, we all do.
- So it's like,
oh my God you suck, or this is terrible,
or not as good as your older shit,
or not as good as the
thing from last week,
and they just, they do this.
But it's like I'm focusing on
3,000 negative comments,
when there is 17,000 positive ones,
and there is over one million people
who liked it and didn't say shit.
Why am I focusing on this?
And that all still
comes down to acceptance
and just being human.
It's wild, 'cause I
put out this last song,
the one produced by Mac DeMarco,
and there's responses like,
"This ain't it, chief,
but it's still pretty cool I guess."
The fuck?
- That someone took time
out of their day to,
the only reason to post
a comment like that
is to get attention from the
other people who comment,
you see it on WorldStar all the time,
or 'cause they actually
believe you're gonna see it.
- Which is very rare, 'cause
I don't look at this shit.
- [Brian] 'Cause you don't look
at it anymore, so why say--
- But it'll be something
like where I'll post it,
'cause I don't have Instagram,
I don't have Twitter,
I don't have anything on my phone,
so I'll either download it
or go to my assistant's phone
and upload the video and then post it.
And it's like that,
(fingers snapping)
immediately people are already commenting.
Like they're watching the loop commenting.
- [Brian] Right, before it's even over.
- Yeah, it's really crazy.
But I don't say all this
to focus on the negativity.
I say it all to say that
I've been set free from it,
and removed myself from the situation,
and because of it I feel so
much better and so much happier.
- I would say as someone who knows you,
and we can exaggerate that relationship
to whatever you're comfortable.
- [Logic] We're lovers, we're lovers.
- You don't have to tell
people we met on an app.
But it is interesting that I have
seen a shift in you though,
since that happened.
I think that I feel like
you're less stressed.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- And I feel like you're able to focus
on the work more, rather
than the response.
'Cause the response to a
certain degree is important,
but it's a subjective thing.
- I've learned that
exactly, you have people
who love and hate, it just is what it is.
When you create art and you put it out.
There's people in the Renaissance era,
who would be commissioned by kings
and could have two men kissing
and this and this and whatever,
and they would be murdered because of it.
It's insane, it's like
at the end of the day
it's just art, it's just my opinion.
If you don't like it, fuck it.
Like it doesn't matter, you
don't gotta listen to it.
But they still do,
because they're obsessed.
(light jazz music)
I wish we could say
what we really thought.
How 'bout that?
- You can say what you really think.
- No I can't, I can't say
what I really fucking think,
and neither can you.
But that's the bullshit
about fucking society.
- You can to a certain degree
but the problem is context.
And so, there's a lot
of stuff that you and I
could say right now, that
provided the correct context
or understanding our character as people,
it's not offensive.
But no one wants to take
the time to understand
that character or understand
what integrity is,
or drawing moral lines that make sense.
Not mob versus everybody else.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- But the problem is is
we're in instant judgment.
We're in a decade of
instant judgment right now,
which is I see a tweet, I see a thing,
that person is canceled
before there's even a chance
to go like but what's the context.
- Yeah, but that, it's just wild.
Obviously we could talk
about this forever,
but the fact of the matter
is it's almost like not fair.
That's why I love Dave Chappelle,
and you got people who hate him,
but he makes fun of everybody equally.
- True.
- And the fact of the matter is,
if somebody makes a joke and you have
a sector of people who feel ostracized,
like everyone's pointing
and making fun of them,
and then they're like,
"Hey man, let's stand up."
Let's tear down the person who made
the joke or made the statement.
But if it's about the person next to them,
then they'll just laugh at it.
- [Brian] Right.
- You know, it's like I'm
somebody makes a joke,
like a cancer joke, if somebody's
been affected by cancer,
their family member, or this and that,
it's not gonna be as funny to them.
But if you're making fun of,
or you tell an AIDS joke next,
or this and that, and you haven't been
affected by that it's funny.
But that's like you can't pick and choose
what's right and what's wrong.
- I had a moment the other day,
'cause Ashley and I had one of our dog's
passed away a couple weeks ago.
- [Logic] Sorry, dude.
- Thank you.
And the next day I was
listening to a podcast,
and these guys were
making fun of basically,
not making fun of but they were joking
about putting a dog down.
- Yeah.
- It was the next day, and
I was laughing in my car,
I was super emotional,
but I was able to laugh
about that thing because
it's a part of life.
And even the most tragic things
or the most controversial or whatever,
you can still find humor in them.
- Yeah, but you're also different.
Like you deal with your problems head-on,
you don't try to escape.
A majority of people in society,
run from the issues
rather than talk about it.
- So when someone confronts
them with it, it's like no.
- Yeah, or they're like that's
not right or this or that.
I'm not saying it's okay to
belittle someone's religion,
or race, or this or that,
there's a difference.
That's why I love Chappelle,
because he doesn't
attack one sect of people,
he will like make fun of you
and then like flip it around
and be like, "And black people be like."
- Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
- It's funny like there's
jokes and shit now,
like I saw Jamie Foxx
talking about a movie
he was working on with Robert Downey Jr.,
where Robert Downey's
supposed to play a Mexican.
Like in LA, like a real
kinda funny cholo dude.
And apparently Robert
called him and was like,
"Yo man, I can't do this
bro, like I can't do this."
And Jamie was like, "You
better fucking do this shit."
100% like you gotta do this this is great.
Naw man this ain't Tropic Thunder,
that was like a long time ago.
- 10 years ago, yeah, a lot has changed.
- And when you think about it,
you can have people who
are legitimately pissed off
about the fact that he is an
actor playing a character.
And not to bring it up
but it's like we know
actor's who have had heat, voice actors,
because they're playing a
different racial character.
It's like are you fucking kidding me?
But the thing is, it's voice acting.
That's what's so beautiful
about art and creation
where you can be anyone you want to be.
- You play an alien,
you can play a robot--
- And people get pissed off about it.
I'm not saying that there aren't
situations where it's
right, it's not right.
I mean, for sure there's
stuff, but I just,
that's one thing that's so crazy
it's just like shits so PC,
but I'm still fucking with Mac.
- Good.
(laughing)
And Dave Chappelle.
- Yeah.
(light jazz music)
- Where you're at in your life right now,
do you find it harder to trust people?
Because now there's, like you said,
you're a household name,
there's a lot of money around.
Not around like you don't
leave it around the house.
If you do, I haven't found it yet.
But things are a lot more
complicated for you now.
There's a lot more people around.
- Yeah.
- There's a lot more people
tugging at you and stuff.
Do you find it harder to trust people?
'Cause you have a very tight inner circle.
- Yeah, yeah, very tight.
I'm a very trusting person in general.
Especially now that I'm older,
I keep my shield up 100%.
Just 'cause you don't really know anybody.
And I've got a good
circle, and a good crew,
and a good camp of people.
But it's like you don't get to me
unless you go through X,Y,and Z anyway.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- So if you actually got to me,
as a reference to so and so,
I pretty much trust you out the gate
and shake your hand, unless
you do some shady shit.
- Yeah.
- So it's like, there's my manager Chris,
there's my business managers,
my lawyers, my this, my that.
So especially regarding business,
and like financial endeavors like, yeah.
But I'm still always like, uh,
but there's no, like I don't let
people borrow money and shit.
You know what I mean?
- You don't?
- [Logic] Yeah, definitely not, sorry.
- Well that's all the time we have for...
Who's somebody that intimidates you still?
- Probably Donald Glover.
- Really, but you know Donald Glover?
- [Brian] Yeah, he's a really nice guy.
Haven't talked to him in a while though.
- Yeah.
- He doesn't intimidate me as a person.
He's like the nicest dude in the world.
He intimidates me because of his--
- [Brian] As an artist?
- Yeah, as a creative person.
But that's a good thing.
It intimidates me to be like, yo,
like I used to be like Drake, you know.
And then there was like
a time idolizing J. Cole,
who's a good friend of mine.
Like this and like that, da da da.
And then it's like I stopped equating,
or I stopped measuring my,
I guess you can just
say artistic integrity
or how good I am, based on someone else.
And I started doing it just on myself.
Like I just want to be me.
I wanna be the best me that I can be.
And when I think about the best me,
it's like yo I have a book coming out,
I'm working on a film, I'm
working on my second book,
I'm writing everyday with
this production company,
we just got office space, I
wanna act and sing and dance,
and have fun, and do all
these different things.
And then I look at the man
who's snapping right now,
and it's Donald.
But to me, that's a good thing.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- It's like yo, he's like really crazy.
But if you're being honest, I mean yeah,
it's intimidating to see
somebody do it so well,
that makes you think that you could never
do it as good or even better.
But that's a good fire, it's a great fire.
- Yeah, because that's the kinda stuff
that takes you to the
next level ultimately.
It's like seeing, being
challenged by someone like that.
- Yeah, but it's not jealousy,
there's a difference.
I've been jealous of artists, you know,
like when I was on my come up.
Like how come he gets the cover,
and how come so and so's doing
this, and blah blah blah.
But it's just like a young
man who like wants this thing,
but you haven't earned it yet.
So that's the thing, like
I could look at Donald
and be like oh man I want X,Y, and Z,
but it's like I haven't earned it yet.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- And so it's exciting, you know.
I've been on a million auditions
and haven't gotten a roll.
- Right.
- You know and that's
why I wrote my own movie.
It's was like all right
I'm just gonna star in it.
But I still go on auditions,
and I still don't get the gigs.
Doesn't matter that I'm Logic,
or this or that, and it's amazing.
Because when I get it,
I'll know that I earned it.
I'll know that I deserved
it, that I took enough time
to focus and rehearse
and, you know practice.
That's the best shit, it's like,
I've mastered music 100%,
I've like mastered what I do,
especially rap I should say.
That's why I love doing the singing stuff
and playing piano,
'cause I'm still working
on that and it's super fun.
- What do you mean you've mastered it?
- I've mastered it as in like,
get down and lay down,
hit you with the Beretta,
you better stay down, straight
shots on the playground,
living how I'm living with
the life that I'm given,
anybody that's riding with
me, I'm riding with them,
show me the enemy and I'm a hit 'em,
the second I bit 'em, I get
'em, and hit 'em with the venom,
ain't no need to pretend
I'm a never do it,
I knew it already been through it,
I do it for the street,
for the fam, for the life,
anybody that's gang related.
One breath, easy, like
that, that's a mastery--
- I understand.
- That's mastering the craft.
And that's not me fucking flexing.
- [Brian] Aw, yeah.
- It's just true like,
I know to fucking rap.
But I still don't know how to,
what key I sound best in singing.
- Right.
- I still don't know how to like,
I can play the piano but I don't know,
I'm still am learning all my scales,
circle of fifths, and all that.
So like that shit is super fun to me.
And the idea of like acting and not being
that great at something and learning.
I mean it's why I decided
to right a book, you know.
I wrote my book from the perspective
of someone who's writing
a book for the first time.
'Cause I was like, if I
was gonna write a book,
how would I, like what's a good way
to kinda get away with sucking.
- Yeah, yeah yeah, it's
like my first book.
- Yeah, exactly, and so it was that.
And now I'm on my second
novel and it's like sci-fi.
And I'm like 70,000 words in.
It'll probably be like between
a 100 and 125 thousand words.
Can't wait, lovin' it, I learned
so much from the first one.
You know, my publisher, my
editor, they've taught me a lot.
And it's amazing, but a challenge.
Life is nothing without a challenge.
- Yeah, you are someone
who constantly needs that
something that you're not good
at to try and become good at.
- Fun, like the Rubik's cube and shit.
- Like the Rubik's cube.
- Yeah.
(light jazz music)
- You referenced, a minute ago, the movie.
So a couple weeks ago now,
I think it was probably
in the last month or so, it was announced
that you're gonna make,
you're gonna star in
and co-write a movie that
JJ Abrams is producing.
- Yeah.
- [Brian] How did you get
hooked up with JJ Abrams?
- Well one day, I looked in my email
and I just saw an email from JJ Abrams.
- Like one does.
- [Logic] Yeah, like one does.
- Like one does.
- And he was like, "Hey man, I really love
"your album Everybody and
I love the linear story
"and the overall message" and he's like,
"You're super creative and
I'd love to work together."
That was the first thing he
said, and I was like holy shit.
And he's like, "I'd love to
find a way to work together,
"or if not just be friends."
I was like holy shit, that's crazy.
Can I borrow some money?
(laughing)
You know what I'm saying?
Then I set up a meeting and
I just sat down with him.
And I told him about
like these ideas I had,
and these things I wanted to do,
and he was just like very supportive.
Then I came into like the craziest money
I've ever come in to, and
this was like two years ago.
And I said I'm sick and fucking tired
of not getting gigs or this and that,
I'm gonna write a movie.
I'd actually written it--
- You had already written it,
'cause the first day I met you,
and we had lunch, you
told me about this movie.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- And so I'd written it in
2015 and I already had it,
and I was like, you know what,
I gonna fund it myself, six million bucks.
I can spend that and
still be totally fine.
- [Brian] Right.
- I'm gonna do it.
And so I was like, six million
and I'm gonna rewrite it,
'cause it was funny but it
wasn't where it could've been.
And then I rewrote it and
it was in a great place--
- And you're older than
you were when you wrote it,
so you have a lot different
to bring to the table.
- Totally.
And so I called him, I was like, "Hey man,
"I need some advice, I'd
love to sit down in person,
"and I want your advice, like period."
And I sit down with him,
I'm big on how are you, how's your family,
like it's important 'cause I
care about that shit first.
- [Brian] Right, yeah.
- So we were talking, just
bullshittin' telling jokes,
hanging out, eating, and,
so he's like, "What is it,
"what do you wanna talk to me about?"
And I was like, "Dude,
I wanna make a movie.
"I am a filmmaker, I really wanna do this.
"I wrote a script, I'm
super-stoked, I love it.
"And I'm gonna fund it myself."
And you know they say in the business,
never fund your own shit.
But I think it's like
never fund your own shit
if you're like broke
and don't have the money
and can't do it and you're like--
- [Brian] Borrow money from the bank.
- Your house is gonna go under
and like, but that wasn't the
case, and I told him that.
And I was like, I'm making this movie
and I was like and on top of that
I'm making it the way I wanna make it.
And I was like that's why
I wanna pay for it myself
because then there's no fucking
studio exec that's like,
"Well I don't really know
if this period joke should."
You know what I mean, like whatever.
- Yeah.
- And it's just like no dude, I just wanna
make a movie that I would like,
not some studio would like.
And he's like, "Okay
we give me the script."
And I was like, "No, no, no,
"literally I'm not here,
"I just want your advice."
- Right.
- And he's like, "I'm
advising you to give me
"your fucking script."
- Give me the script.
- Yeah, and I was like,
"I don't know man."
And he's like, "Look bro,
just give it, come on.
"You're telling me you came all the way
"down here not to give me the script?"
Then I kinda thought
about it and I was like,
"I really meant it when I was like
"I don't, I just want your advice.
"But if your advice is give me the script,
"I'm like all right fuck it."
- Yeah, and you already had a little bit
of a relationship so, yeah.
- Yeah, so I gave it to
him and he gave it to
his head of film at Bad Robot,
and she reviewed it he
was like, "Yeah, come in."
So I was like, "Oh okay they're gonna,"
he basically said, "I'm
gonna, I'd love to help you
"but if it doesn't fit for us,
"I wanna send you in the right direction."
So I go with my business
partner Mike, from Bobby Boy,
and we sit down, and they're
talking, and they're like
yeah, blah, blah, blah, and you
could go here with the film.
And we love it, and it's
like Super Bad meets Clerks
with this Tarantino dialogue,
and we totally get
everything you're going for,
and blah, blah, blah.
And who knows, we can go
through this, blah, blah, blah.
And I have connections with Paramount,
and this and all this shit.
And I'm looking at Mike like, "Yo,
"they're talking about making the movie,"
not like yeah, so let's do it.
And I'm like what, and we
just shake each other's hand,
and that was it.
- Are you nervous about acting?
'Cause I know you've been auditioning,
you've done like some voice--
- I'm excited.
- Voice training with like with
Steve Bloom and some people.
- I'm excited.
- You're excited.
- That's the biggest thing is I'm excited.
- What's excites you the most about it?
- It's a challenge, it's something new,
it's not my thing.
- [Brian] Something you've never done.
- I mean in music you do things, you act.
There's a time when, you
know like making 1-800,
I was a fucking
millionaire life was great.
I wanted to be alive like shit.
- [Brian] Yeah, yeah.
- But I'm like writing
from this perspective
of someone who wants to end
themselves, and da da da.
It's like you have to get in that zone
and project and portray
that through a microphone.
You can't even,
they don't see your expression.
They only hear you,
so I feel like I've
had a lot of experience
in that regard there.
Also I think that also
helps me with writing.
Whether it's manuscripts or film scripts,
because it allows me,
I'm very good at painting
pictures and explaining things.
- Right.
- Because of how I'd done it, you know.
Like with rap it's like,
it's going down, basement.
Like you can just explain and like paint
that picture for people,
so I'm excited man.
And also I wrote,
sometimes I look at, a lot
of my favorite characters
are like the same fucking
character in every movie.
- Right.
- And it's comedy and I'm
like you can't, you know.
Who doesn't like to laugh?
So that's why I wanna do that first.
And you know I think people will enjoy it.
But I wrote the character,
I know the character,
I am the character in a sense.
He's just a little more whinier than me.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- But it's like, it's gonna be fun.
- Who could possibly be
more whinier than you?
- [Logic] I know, I don't know.
- Especially with the voice.
- Definitely.
(light jazz music)
- 10 projects in 10
years and now a book too?
- Yeah, I'm excited.
- Well, two books really.
The first one that you
have tattooed on your--
- Supermarket.
- Supermarket.
- I always forget that I have this shit,
'cause I can't see it, no matter
how I turn my arm, anyway.
- [Brian] Well that was a
mistake when you got the tattoo.
- Yeah, I'm an idiot.
(murmuring)
- What's the book about?
- It's weird man, it's funny.
This is first interview I've ever done
like really talking about it.
- [Brian] Congratulations.
- Thank you, this is a moment.
- Glad it could be me.
- It's weird because I
don't wanna give it away--
- [Brian] No, but I mean
like give us an idea--
- It's definitely it's
around mental health,
but it's not like a mental health book.
It's like some Fight Club shit.
It's like some real, nitty-gritty,
psychological thriller,
but it's also funny--
- [Brian] It's from the
perspective of someone writing
their first book like you said.
- Yeah, from the perspective of someone
writing their first book.
And doesn't know how to end it.
So he's like you know what I'm gonna go
try to figure out how to write
and get inspiration about
working at a supermarket.
- You marathon write when you write.
- Yeah.
- [Brian] 'Cause I hear from you--
- Mikey says the same shit.
- Yes it's marathon, I will hear from you
that you're like, I'm on page 19,
then it's like I'm on
page 430, two days later.
- [Logic] Yeah, I love it.
- How do you find the writing process
for a fictionalized, long-form story
different from how you approach rapping
in the third person, which
is storytelling mode.
Which is something that
you've gotten pretty good at,
but now you've got--
- When I had the idea
to rap from a character,
or a different person's
perspective in music,
it's more like okay I'm gonna sit down
and write 16 bars or 40 bars or whatever,
from this person's point of view.
So I can not necessarily know
what I'm gonna end up writing,
'cause it's also about rhythm
and rhyme and all that stuff.
But with a book, any story
it's gotta be mapped out.
- You mean like an outline?
- Yeah.
- [Brian] You have to know
the trajectory of the story.
- I have to pretty much know
everything for the most part.
It's funny though, I knew it
needed to end a certain way,
but I didn't know until
I finally got there.
And then I was able to go back
and re-write all these little things
that made it like whoa, at the end.
But yeah, typically it's
like, who's the character,
what's he doing, what are major events
and things that are gonna happen.
I mean the sci-fi book
I'm working on right now,
that one is wild.
Because it's like up
and down and over there,
and there's like multiple universes,
and time travel, and
artifacts, and just wild stuff.
That one's like insane,
so that was a big arc
that we had to figure out
over the course of months.
- Do you do a lot of research
for something like that
or do you just get out
what you want to get out
on the page and stuff
and then tweak later?
- I talked to Ernest Cline about it
and I was like do you ever find
not that you have writer's block,
but you're just not really
in the mood to write?
Like you want to write, but you don't
wanna just force some shit out.
And he was like, I live in that place.
- [Brian] Interesting.
- And he was like, all
you gotta do is just
watch a bunch of fucking
movies, and read books,
and have fun, and just,
and then inspiration will come.
And that's true, I mean I can't tell you
how many little things I
read from Michael Crichton
that inspired this thing and that thing.
And you know different movies and films.
It's funny because my book,
not giving too much away,
it's not a big deal,
but the second one's regarding simulation.
And so you know, you can
think oh Ready Player One,
but it's like I had a
dream and, I had a dream,
in 2014, and it was,
you ever hear people like,
oh it came to me in a dream?
- Yeah, yeah.
- And I'm like fuck off,
that never happened to me.
Like never a song, never an
idea, never this, never that.
And then I woke up, and it was kinda like
could you imagine what the place,
like what if the internet was a place.
Everything, you know, and what
if the internet was a place?
And I had this idea and then over years,
it just kinda came more and more and more.
And then from reading Ready Player One,
and watching the Matrix again,
and watching all these simulated things,
I was like whoa.
What if I did this and
do this and da da da,
and then it just came together.
- You're somebody that's
constantly trying to make sure
that your input is
greater than your output.
That way you're not operating on empty,
or you're not operating on low gas.
- [Logic] Completely.
- You're constantly watching
stuff, and reading stuff,
and listening to stuff, and taking it in.
And then selecting the part's of that
that sort of impact you, or that catch you
and then trying to recreate that
same thing with your own story.
- Totally, 'cause like the truth is
anybody could sit there and try to say
oh well that's a rip-off
or that's a this or that.
But it's just like yo, find
me some shit that isn't.
- Everything is.
- It's like to me Uncharted is like
Indiana Jones on crack, like to me, right?
- [Brian] Right.
- But it's not Indiana Jones.
- Right.
- [Logic] You know
there's no fucking skull--
- And there's no crack.
- Yeah, and this and that.
It's its own thing,
the reason we equate it
to Indiana Jones is
'cause it's an adventure,
and it's in the jungle, and
it's in this and it's that,
but it's like Indiana
Jones was the first one
to do it that big.
- Right.
- So we're always gonna
compare it to X, Y, and Z.
- Yeah.
- You know people could
compare my second novel
to Ready Player One but if
the stuff was 20 years ago,
they'd be saying the Matrix.
- [Brian] Exactly.
- So it's just, you just gotta do
what you love and not overthink it.
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- Do you ever worry about
spreading yourself too thin?
- Yeah, I've done it.
- Well I know you've done it,
but I mean like are you worried again?
- No.
- [Brian] Because now
you're getting into--
- Yeah, but no, it's time and place.
- [Brian] You have--
- I got it.
It's always gonna be some--
- But you have boundaries in place.
- Boundaries 100%, yeah.
- How important is that for you?
- Oh my God it's the biggest,
it's the most important thing ever.
If I don't wanna do something,
I'm not gonna do it.
- You don't just say no?
- Yeah, and I had to ask myself why.
I've turned down $500,000 gigs
where I've only had to
go perform one hour.
- That was my birthday party though,
and I invited so many people--
- Sorry you're a fuckboy.
Either way, and you can go oh my god
you turned down half a
million dollars because,
but it's like you have no idea
what the fuck's on my plate.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- From like personal shit
I could be going through,
shit in the press, in the media,
I'm working on an album,
I'm helping somebody,
I'm taking care of X, Y, and Z.
'Cause that's another thing,
I love to help people
and I love to do things,
but I'm not the dude on YouTube like
here you go homeless guy, here's a dollar.
So I don't really explain or talk about it
unless it makes sense.
- Yeah.
- But there's things that I've done,
helping like a single mother
and her three children,
and housing, and X, Y, and Z, da da da.
So I'm focused on all these other things,
and if my mind is here, I
have to work on all of this,
'cause I'm not just a rapper.
- Right.
- If I could just go
in the studio and rap,
and makes millions and millions
and millions of dollars,
and that's all I had to do, cool.
But no, you gotta do press, you gotta fly,
you gotta go here there, it is so tiring.
- Yeah, it's a lot.
- It's fucking exhausting.
- It's a lot.
- And then on top of
that you have personal,
but yo I have 50 people
on my payroll, you know.
I have upwards of 20 people on salary--
- You could afford to lose
couple of them, let's be honest.
I'll give you some names afterwards.
- Yeah, Jordan, I know.
Naw but like--
- That's responsibility.
- Yeah, oh I know.
- That's responsibility but it's also,
so is saying no the main--
- It's the hardest thing.
- Stop gap you have for keeping yourself
from burning out or
getting spread too thin?
- Yeah, yeah, but it's the hardest thing
'cause like who doesn't wanna go make
a half million dollars in an hour?
Don't get me wrong, you gotta make money.
- [Brian] Right.
- But it's like you know,
you can be like oh you did that but,
mind you, I could have 30 other gigs
for X amount of dollars,
and I'm saying no to this one
'cause I'm like fuck no,
'cause that's my day off.
- Right.
- Or 'cause I promised my
friend, I'd take them to lunch.
And me taking them to lunch,
is more important than that.
- Do you worry about letting people down?
- Definitely, yeah.
I think the biggest person I worry
about letting down is my manager.
- Why?
- Chris.
Because we're partners,
and we really built--
- [Brian] He's been with
you since the beginning.
- Yeah, and so--
- [Brian] Before the beginning.
- Yeah, but when he goes,
"Hey you got a gig for 500,"
and I go "No," and he's like,
"All right," and I'm like--
- You sure?
- And it's his job, it's
his job to be like yo,
but he also, he doesn't
eat if I don't eat.
And he's fucking eating,
and he's ate, okay.
So he's doing good, but it's still like
fuck, he doesn't get paid.
And then, you know,
Harry doesn't get paid,
and the people in
Visionary don't get paid.
And then I have this, I feel like
it's this whole thing on my shoulders.
But he's been one to tell me like, "Bro,
"you know you ain't letting nobody down,
"you work harder than,"
he tells me I need to be more empathetic
towards myself, and have empathy.
- I agree.
- Yeah, and that if I don't
wanna do something then,
then that it is and what I realize--
- Don't punish yourself for
saying no to 'cause that's--
- You're right, but it's
amazing to have someone
that you don't wanna let down,
tell you bro, it's all in your head.
You're not letting me down,
look what you've done for me.
Look what we've done for each other.
And for me goals, my makeup woman, Amima,
she told me, I was doing
Ellen and I was so sad,
it was like the last time I was on Ellen,
and I was still on social
media and all this stuff,
I was feeling bad about myself.
And I was like man, I don't
know what to do, da da da.
And there's all this music
shit and opportunities,
and music, music, music,
and then I have like,
when does it end?
Like think about it, I've
made millions of dollars,
I have millions of fans, I'm blessed,
I get to create all kinds
of music that I want,
I travel the world, I sold
out Madison Square Garden,
and the forum, and arenas,
and all this crazy shit.
I've gone to the Grammy's,
I've been nominated.
I've had magazine covers,
and this, and all this shit.
And it's like, where is, what is the tip,
it used to be yo, get a record deal.
I mean the real shit was
like put out a mixtape.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- Get fans, be able to go on tour,
then get a record deal, then make money,
then go on tours, like real big tours,
then X, Y, Z, da da da,
then it was like I want X
amount of money and a house.
Then it was like you I want
X amount of money and two houses.
Then it was I want this, and security,
and stability, and then you get it all,
and you're like wait, why am I,
why did I just say yes to this thing?
For money?
I don't even like this thing,
I'm not even fucking into this thing.
Why am I doing it, right?
And I realize my goals,
not only for myself
but for my management, weren't aligned.
And so we sat down and I was like
I wanna act and I wanna make books.
And that's what's most important to me.
And I'll still fucking knock out an album
every year or every other year,
and I'll still go on tour
every year or every other year.
- And you'll still put the
passion into that thing?
- [Logic] Every time.
- You can't not do that.
- You can't not,
then I go to the studio,
I don't think about money,
I don't think about,
I think about yo is this shit hot?
Like is this dope, is this fun,
is this deep, does this connect?
Like I fully nerding artist mode.
- Right.
- There's never been a
time when I've sat down
and been like, I'm gonna create,
I've even gone in the studio like,
"Yo, let's make some radio shit."
- Yeah.
- But never been like,
I'm making radio shit,
I'm still like okay where's the message,
where's the fun, and the rap,
and the this and the that, on top of it.
You know so no matter what, it's always
gotta come from the heart.
But no, so for the thing was goals.
Assessing what I want, and making sure
that it aligns with everyone on my team.
Because if it doesn't, then
there's a fucking issue.
And if I'm working, and
going to work everyday,
and doing something that deep down
is technically making me unhappy,
I need to stop it immediately.
Yeah.
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- It's interesting to me that,
the more comfortable you've become
in your own skin and you're own identity
the more popular that you became.
- Isn't that weird?
- And it's sort of a lot different
because that's the argument,
I mean we're friends so I obviously
have a defensive approach to
Logic's sold out, blah blah.
I have a different approach to that
because I have an emotional
reaction because I know you.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- But to me, as an outsider, that seems
more evidence to the
contrary, the fact that
you are more comfortable in your own skin.
Or you can have nerdy tattoos
and weird shit and talk about--
- Yeah, but that doesn't
make sense, Logic's sold out,
but I've always talked about
peace, love, and positivity,
good messages in the music.
I've always made turn-up
music, hip-hop music,
saying this, that, it
doesn't make any sense.
It's just some hipster fuckboys.
- [Brian] Right.
- That's the thing to say.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- You know what I'm saying,
I'm sure there's people
who have said man Critical
Role isn't the same
since X, Y, and Z, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like who gives a shit,
you're still fucking watching,
you're still listening,
you're still putting money
in my pocket, shut the fuck up.
- Yeah.
- And that's a real thing, you think like,
I used to be scared of like, oh no
they think I sold out, and now I'm like
I don't give a fuck, I don't give a shit.
Like that's the best
part, like you can say
anything you want and it's
like it is not affecting me.
- [Brian] Right.
- That's the cool thing,
when you step back
and you realize these
people's words don't matter.
- Definitely.
- Certain things can still
hurt your feelings or this or that.
But like me feeling any type of way
because somebody says I sold out,
would eventually result in me wanting to
make that person like me.
That person is never gonna
like me, no matter what.
"Your old shit was better."
No, the truth is, it's the first time
you got a hand job in like 10th grade
and my song was on in the background
and so you just see that as like
I really like his old music
man, blah, blah, blah.
The first time you kissed somebody,
or you know one of your favorite memories,
when you were 12 years old or something.
Like that's how you see it.
Like it's the same shit with Kanye.
You know a lot of us say
well Kanye's older shit,
and this and X, Y, Z, as
far as like sonically,
but the truth is regardless of what you
might think of his political beliefs,
he's a fucking genius, and
he makes amazing music,
and his sonics are crazy
and they're awesome.
There's rappers who have dissed me
and I'm like they can still rap,
fuck them, but they can rap.
- [Brian] Right, right.
- Yeah, straight up.
Like I'm an honest, like
you gotta be honest with it.
- Yeah.
- Or else I don't think
you'll ever be happy.
That's a real thing, just accepting that
some things are just the way they are,
but all you can focus on is yourself.
And just love yourself
and wish them the best,
you know what I mean.
And don't allow your own insecurities to
give impulse to wanna throw negative--
- Tear someone else down.
- Yeah, why would you do that?
It's insane, and I realize
speaking of like beef,
or this and that, not only against myself,
but other rappers, and this and that,
it all comes from an insecure place.
Because we in hip-hop, it's like
we gotta be the best, and fuck them,
and that was this and that wasn't as good,
and I'm better than him, and
look at me, I'm the best.
And it's like look man, you're great.
Just be great, focus on--
- Just be you.
- That's the same thing I tell myself
that you don't gotta
prove anything to anyone.
If somebody doesn't like you,
that's their own fucking problem.
- And that's a distraction too,
but then that shit pisses in your ear
when you're in the studio,
because you're thinking about that stuff
instead of thinking about I'm gonna
make this thing the best that I can.
- Yeah, 100%.
- [Brian] If you're focused on--
- If you're focused on it.
'Cause you're thinking like,
how can I be better than this?
Or how can I say this
better than that person did?
Or da da da, or you're
thinking about other people?
- [Brian] Right.
- All you should be
thinking about is your art.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- You know what I mean, I've got people,
not even rappers, but people like
who consider themselves
journalists, or interviewers,
or this or that,
who literally hate my guts and talk shit
about me all the time, and it's like damn.
The big reason why these
people talk about me
is because my name out their
mouth makes them money.
- True, it's a headline.
We talk about that a
lot because you'll see,
I'll see stuff online and it's a tweet
or it's a headline or it's whatever,
and it gets the clicks.
- It gets the clicks.
- That's why they go for it.
- Yeah, I mean I've
had people beef with me
and then see me in public
and walk right past me.
It's crazy, it's like--
- Do you ever go like pussy-ass bitch?
(laughing)
- Naw, naw.
- That's what Jordan's for.
- I know, right.
- He's like, sorry?
- Naw, me and my crew
we just keep the peace.
And that's the biggest thing,
what can someone do to you
if you wish them the best?
- [Brian] Yeah.
- Truly.
- [Brian] Truly yeah.
- Yeah, if you're like
dude, whoever hurt you,
or woman talkin' shit in this magazine,
I don't know what man hurt ya,
like I really hope you find
someone who treats you good.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- And they're truly--
- [Brian] It wasn't me.
- Yeah, I know, and there's a place
in my heart that loves all those people.
Really do and just wants them to be happy.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- Which is kind hard and it
was hard to get to that place.
- It's a much more mature place.
- [Logic] Yeah, but it sucks--
- [Brian] But it's freeing right?
- It's totally freeing, and that's it,
when you realize why people
say the things that they do,
and why they obsess, and
the fact of the matter is,
if I wasn't as successful as I am,
nobody would say those things.
- [Brian] Right.
- So I'm blessed enough to even be
in the topic of conversation.
- Yeah, it's the give
and take of fame right?
- Yeah, I suppose.
But it's so weird 'cause
I don't really like
see myself as famous, you know.
Like it hits me when I'm buying Cheerios,
and the dude who works at the supermarket
is like, "Yo let me get a picture,"
I'm like, "Fuck you man, ring me up."
(laughing)
- [Brian] Trying to buy some Cheerios.
- I'm trying to buy some
Cheerios man, shake my hand.
Fuck you and your Instagram.
That's the biggest thing, dude,
a majority of the people I meet,
it's all about them,
it's all about clicks,
it's about likes.
- I'll be with you and you can tell
the difference between a fan and someone
who wants to take a picture
because often times,
the fans will get emotional
when they see you out there.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- And you can tell there's a connection,
and then you can see the other people
they're like, :Yo yo yo yo yo,"
you know what I mean like--
- Yeah, and then even when I'm eating,
like fucking having
sushi, and there's like
some chick or some dude right next to me
and they're taking pictures of me.
I get it, I get it, you know.
If I fucking saw Keanu
Reeves or something,
I might be like no way dude.
- Right, yeah.
- Like you know, you think about it.
But the truth is I would take a picture
of Keanu Reeves to clown
and send it to you.
Like these people do that and put it
on their SnapChat, and all that but--
- Just having sushi with Logic.
- Yeah, and but see the thing is
I don't really even give a shit that
they take pictures of me, even though
it's a little fucking weird, that's fine.
The thing that fucks me up,
is like you're taking pictures of me?
(fingers snapping)
Damn it that's right, I
can't just, fuck, okay.
Now I'm eating with a
person I could be with
and I'm not thinking about them,
I'm thinking about everything else.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- So that's one thing that sucks.
The biggest thing is like, "Hey yo
"what's up dog, don't you
like, what do you do?"
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- "You famous?"
And they like take their shit out,
and I'm like, "Fuck you dog," like.
- [Brian] Like they don't
even know who you are,
they just know you're somebody.
- And then there's like, I'm
out to lunch the other day,
and there's the kid, you know,
wearing like Supreme shit, and he's like
this young kid, probably like 14,
and I can tell he knows who I am.
And he's sittin' with his mother,
and I'm minding my own business
and I see him pick up his phone,
and I'm kinda like, don't
do it, motherfucker.
He does something and he set it down.
And I'm talking to my friend,
and we're probably there for like an hour.
They were just getting ready to leave,
and then I notice they're sittin' there,
for like 45 minutes, and I stand up,
no, I said something to them while
my friend was in the bathroom.
And I was like, "Ah
that's a cool hoodie man,
"like I really like your hoodie."
And he was like, "Ah thanks,"
and I was like, "What's your name."
And he's like, "My name's Moses."
Took me everything not to
like make a Moses joke.
- Right, you have a lot of those.
- Yeah, but I was like,
"Hey nice to meet you,"
and his mother was there and she was like
"Oh we love you,"
I was like, "Thank you so much,
"I really appreciate that."
My friend comes back down, I finish up,
like 30 minutes later, I stand up,
and she goes, "Excuse
me, my son is a big fan
"and he was just
wondering if he could have
"a picture with you."
I say, "Fuck yeah, let's go."
- Yeah, that's the right fan interaction.
- Let's fucking go and I was
like, "Mom get in on this.
"This is fucking straight up,
put this on your Bumble page."
- [Brian] Yeah.
- This is awesome, you know.
- Me and my mom and
Logic, on my Bumble page.
- But that's what so cool like,
when you someone who's
just genuinely sweet.
Even if he wasn't the
biggest fan or this or that,
but if somebody just comes up to you
and they're like hey,
but the time not to fucking do it
is like when you're eating.
Like what if I went up to your grandma
and was like hey grandma, what's your
fucking cookie recipe bitch?
- [Brian] Yeah.
- Like you know what I mean?
- Man I see that a lot 'cause you,
you don't even have to
be at fancy restaurants
'cause you know I'm not allowed in those?
But you'll be around town and you'll see
a celebrity at a table,
and within the 30 minutes
that I'm there eating,
I'll see five people
go up to the table while they're
eating with their friends,
or they're just out and about--
- Yeah, family or whatever.
- Family, anything.
And those people aren't thinking about
the fact that five people
have already done it
and it's like kind of really
fucked up this person's meal
for the last hour, they're just thinking,
I got my one thing--
- And it's for me, it's not for them.
- It's the entitlement we
have as fans now though--
- It's fucked up.
- It's a little bit extreme.
- No, it's super extreme.
- It's because of social media.
- Exactly, they feel connected to you.
And that's another thing anybody with,
oh you have 100,000 followers,
well my opinion fucking matters.
And then you have true, real journalists
who take their time and
people who interview
and do the research, like yourself.
Even though we know each other,
it's like your not asking
me bullshit questions,
and I appreciate it.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- But it's insane the amount
of people you sit down with,
or you even just look at, you know,
on Twitter, and they feel like they
write for fucking Rolling Stone,
and it's all bullshit
nobody does their research--
- Their due diligence, yeah.
- And that's what's really hard
'cause it's not even about,
like true journalism is about the art.
It's about like a person reading something
and being understanding in
gathering this information,
and kind of coming out of the piece
a different person, in a way.
Nowadays it's all about the writer.
Look how fucking good I'm writing.
I'm writing so good and look at this,
and I'm the first on the
scene, and blah blah blah.
And so that's why it sucks
that when you meet a person
who wants to take a picture with you
and they don't give a fuck about you.
And that's why been
learning how to say no.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- And it's awesome.
- [Brian] That's freeing.
- "Hey can I have a picture?"
"No," you know, and they're
like, "Are you fucking serious?"
And I get that and I'm like fuck you.
(laughing)
You know what I'm saying?
- Yeah, yeah.
- And then I'll meet some people,
they'll be like, "Hey
can I have a picture,"
and I'll be like, "Not right now you know,
"I'm just doing my
thing," and they're like,
"Okay thank you so much," and
I'm like, "Oh thank you, man."
Or I meet some people who come
up and they put their camera,
and I fucking snatch their
camera out their face.
I swear to God, I do it all the time.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- And I go, "Hey what's your name,"
and they're like, "What, huh?"
That's Keanu Reeves.
- [Brian] Whoa.
- Yeah, like whoa.
But they're like, "What" and
I'm like, "What's your name?"
- [Brian] You do that everybody?
- Yeah, and then I shake their hand,
and then it's like, "My name is Dylan."
And I'm like, "Cool, my name
is Bobby, how's your day?"
And they're like, "What do you mean,
"what are you talking about?"
- I know, I'm just here for a transaction.
- Can I just get a picture?
And their fucking phone's in my--
- Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.
- Dude it's just, it's wild.
I just try to teach him respect,
not even like celebrity this,
like fuck all that, just as a human being,
why is it that we're so quick to just
get we can get for ourselves?
Why don't you ask the other
person how they're doing, man?
- Was there an artist or somebody
that exampled that for you?
Or did you arrive at that place yourself
because of all these interactions
and going I gotta set up
some kind of boundary?
- Yeah, there's definitely a boundary
but it's the same reason why
when I walk in anywhere
I always introduce myself
as Bobby, and I learned
that from Kid Cudi.
When I first did a tour
with him he came in,
"Hi, I'm Scott."
He shook everybody's hand, "I'm Scott."
'Cause he's fuckin' Scott, he's
not on the stage right now.
- Right.
- He's not performing, he's
not this, he's not here,
here, sure I'm Logic,
that's how people know me.
But it's like dude I'm just Bobby.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- You know and like I deserve respect
and the people that I
meet deserve respect.
And so it's like,
"Hey man, what's your
name, how you doing?"
That's why it was so sweet
when this 14 year old kid
and his mother were like you know,
"We really enjoy your
work and your message
"and we were wondering if it's okay
"if we could have a picture?"
Fuck yeah, and I hope you get
a million likes on that picture.
- It's a it's a completely
different fan interaction.
- Yeah, totally, but
saying no is the shit.
And some people could be
like, "Oh you say no to fans?"
I said yes for 10 years.
I've said yes for 10 years.
I've literally been throwing up,
I had 102 degree fever, I was performing.
I performed 50 minutes
and then after the show,
got an array of like the show was great
but you ended it early what the fuck.
And it's like bro I was
puking my brains out--
- Was that on Everybody tour?
- No, every tour.
- Yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
- I've done it on every tour.
- Yeah.
- But there was one in specific,
I think it was the Under Pressure tour.
Incredible True Story.
And I'm outside puking my brains out,
and there's kids like, "Whoa,"
zooming in on me on Snapchat.
And I'm like, "What the
fuck is wrong with you?
"Are you serious, that's insane."
- But that's a sense of entitlement
that we have nowadays though is that like
there are no walls between people.
That's why people feel like they can
talk the way about you
or to me or to whoever
the way they do is because that thing--
- It's not there, they feel
like they can touch you.
But for me it's yeah,
that's why I'm learning
to say no is a good thing.
'Cause it's also about boundaries.
Why would I do something
if I don't wanna to do it?
It doesn't make any sense.
- For their takeaway.
- Yeah, for their like,
for their pleasure,
for their this, for their that.
And if you meet someone
genuine, you tend to meet 'em.
And a genuine person won't fucking
interrupt you while you're eating.
Or if they do, they literally
come up and they go,
just wanted to say I love
what you're doing dude,
blah, blah, blah, and they fucking go.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- And that's still
annoying 'cause it's like
I was just in a conversation, you know.
But it's still like,
thanks, I appreciate that.
I would rather that then,
and you have no idea, they sit down,
"Yo can I get a picture," cool.
"Yo, can you shout out my cousin?"
Hey yo, and it's just--
- [Brian] Yeah.
- It's insane.
(light jazz music)
- If you would've told
me a couple years ago,
that 10 years ago or whatever it is,
that I would open up CNN.com
and on the front page would be a rapper
talking about mental health issues,
I would've told you you're crazy.
But it's not something that you're--
- Could you imagine going
to, however long ago,
Kanye West would be
going to the White House
to meet President Trump?
- Yeah.
- [Logic] Like regardless
of your political views,
that's crazy.
- Yeah, that idea is insane.
And then Obama talking shit about Kanye,
or calling him a jackass or whatever.
And it's like it went from
there this whole thing.
But you have talked about
so much in interviews,
and you know just in your own life
about your issues with anxiety.
And you know how you live with
and cope with and come out of,
and you know evolved as a person,
Still having a lot of these issues around.
Is it weird to talk about?
Or is it something that because you saw
the response you felt more
free to be able to say,
because they ultimately,
the reason why we put
our own issues into our art,
I think, is because A, it helps us,
and B, it helps other people.
- Yeah.
- [Brian] Is that your approach?
- It's the number one.
The number one is itself selfish,
like I'm going to get this out and say it.
- [Brian] For me.
No, no, no, for you.
- Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, for me, yes.
And then number two is
that it will hopefully
help people but even still when I did it
I received incredible backlash.
Like that's the thing
you gotta understand like
I was talking about anxiety--
- From the hip-hop community.
- Yeah, I mean I had a moment when,
and not even necessary just hip-hop,
but just like the cool
sect of like people.
I had a moment in Pittsburgh,
where I was like crying on stage,
and I was saying like how I was
just really unhappy and overworked.
And I was throwing up like
before I took the stage,
and would take five
minutes and run off stage
'cause I feel like I
was going to pass out.
And I was honest with the crowd.
- I remember that.
- Yeah, I was emotionally just like
I'm so sad because this is all I do,
everyday, all the time,
and like this really sucks.
Like I love my job but
I hate driving myself
into the ground physically
and mentally, like this sucks.
And then you'd have people like,
would do recaps on and it's like,
Logic has mental breakdown on stage.
And then they're quoting it
"I'm so sad, I can't believe that."
And they're like making fun of me.
- And the other people would go,
he's got all this money,
he's got all this stuff,
what would he have to be sad about?
- Fuck them.
It's more so about a person who could like
make fun of someone who is
mentally like fucked up.
And I was like, we all can be,
ups and downs and this and that.
And I was just in a very vulnerable place
and I was being honest about it.
You know, people cover it
up, they try to cover it up.
I have gangsta rappers who call me,
like, "Yo, you know that
thing derealization,
"like I feel like that.
"I just feel like I want to fucking
"blow my brains out like,
"I think I'm going to kill myself."
And I'm like, nah, like people--
- [Brian] Talking 'bout the
legs, 'cause you've been there.
- Yeah, and if I never, if I said
who it was, you'd never believe it.
Yeah some of the most popular rappers
and this and that, and I'm like damn.
One I'm honored you would come to me
and talk to me about this,
but holy shit it isn't just me.
You know, it's so many other people
and there's a stigma 'cause
I'm too cool to have anxiety.
I'm too cool to be depressed.
I'm too cool to be sad.
And if they project that,
they're scared they'll lose
their money, their fans,
their opportunities,
because of this fake personification
that they've created for themselves.
And then I feel lucky that I'm like,
people call me all types of names,
say I'm a nerd, say I'm
this cringer, level up.
But it's like at the end
of the day I'm myself.
You can say whatever you want
and you can make fun of me,
but at least you're making fun of me.
- And don't you feel like,
I've seen something interesting with you
and with other people
too, in your position.
Staying steadfast to who you are,
a lot of times will bring people back
around to respect you--
- [Logic] Later.
- Later, yeah.
Because you didn't buckle
or change direction
when everybody told you you should,
even if they were part of that mob
that was saying, I want the old Logic,
I want this, I want this thing.
And then you go no I'm
going this direction
and then eventually they come back around,
and go well I kind of respect the fact
that he didn't listen to all
of us and change direction.
Because this thing he's doing now
surprised me with how cool it was
when I was hating on it at the beginning.
- Funny thing is, what I
did, I forget what I did.
100 and something thousand
copies in the first week.
I don't know if it was
like 170 or something
for Young Sinatra but it was still
my lowest selling album in the latest--
- For the latest?
- In the last few years, and you have
a bunch of people like do the rap shit,
do the hard shit, do the Boom
Bap shit, and then I do it.
Which still people love it, they enjoy it.
I fucking had all Wu
Tang Clan on my album.
Like here we celebrated,
it is celebrated by hip-hop heads.
But if we're talking about
mainstream overall arc,
it wasn't as successful
as Bobby Tarantino.
It wasn't as successful as Everybody.
And it's because of the
style of music as well.
So it's funny to see certain people
be like yo do that hard shit.
And then I do the hard shit and it's not,
to me it was critically acclaimed
and people enjoyed it and they will,
and I'm proud of it and yeah.
But there's a reason I don't do
Boom Bap music all the time.
One because I'm an artist with variation,
and I love to do different styles.
But if I did the same thing all the time,
it wouldn't go anywhere,
and it wouldn't do
anything, it'd be static.
But it's a prime example of,
I love to create all kinds of music.
I love to have fun with music.
I love to create music
that is grand and big,
an ad strings, and sing, and do trap shit
with auto tune, and do the
Boom Bap shit and this.
But it's funny not that I had succumbed
to people's comments of
like doing old school shit.
I've been working on
Young Sinatra for forever.
- [Brian] Right.
- This is things that
they don't understand,
some of those songs were
years and years old.
Then I've been sitting on them
and figuring out how to put it together
but it's like okay, well
here's what you want.
Guess what, it's not as successful
as any of my other shit.
Technically.
- [Brian] Yeah, technically, right.
- Technically. I still think
it was great and it did well.
And people loved it, and enjoyed it.
And I had a blast doing
it, and super fun doing it.
And that's why I did it.
But a prime example of that
is like if I listen to other people,
like I should just
always listen to myself.
I'm glad I did it and I'm
super stoked about that.
But it's crazy too also
the climate that were in.
It's like I release that just over
two months ago from where
we are now, recording this.
And it's like up and gone.
But the same thing, all
these different artists,
like Wayne released an album same day.
But it's like there's nine albums
dropping every week so it's like this,
really quick, really quick.
Used to have artists,
Missy Elliot, Timbaland,
you know, Jay Z could drop a
album once every three years.
And they were still always the top tier.
But now because of how quick it is
and everything is like ADHD,
then it was like every two years.
Then it's like you could drop once a year.
But then it's like if
you drop once a year,
and you're in the
limelight for a few months
and then you go away,
everybody forgets about you.
Now it's like every three
months, like quarterly.
- Yeah.
- So if you're not dropping like a project
or a hit smash song like,
but we think
about that
as like
something that defines our happiness,
or if I'm not in the light,
but this is how I feel,
I got fans that no matter when I come out
or when an album is released, or a book,
or a movie, or this or that,
they're my fans for life
and they'll always support.
And even though you might have like
the cool kids up top that it reaches them
or it doesn't or it's
in that circle or not,
like you gotta to put all that shit out.
That's why I'm so happy because
it's not about social media.
It's not about press
and release, and this.
It's about fans.
It's about your music, or your art,
or whatever that is, and delivering it
to the people who love you.
And they will wait for you.
And they will enjoy Travis Scott,
and they'll enjoy Drake,
and enjoy all this other shit.
But they're still listening to your music
in the car, and at the gym,
and after this, and after that.
But it's okay to step down and say
yo Travis man, have your moment,
and let Drake do his thing.
It's not, to me it's not a competition.
To a lot of artists it is.
- Yeah, but the other thing too
is that with the amount
of stuff coming out
at a time, like you said,
I'll look at, I'll see
on, here's this thing
on World Star, or whatever,
here's what's coming out
this week, it's like--
- [Logic] Oh it's insane.
- It's like ten different things,
and I'm like I'm not even gonna have time
to listen all that shit this week.
But the thing is that album
is going to live forever.
It's going to be out there forever,
and who knows--
- And I'm proud of it.
- Who knows what ebbs and flows
it will have in the popularity later.
(light jazz music)
With how much you work
and your work ethic being what it is.
How do you know when to tell yourself
I gotta have some down time?
Because there's not a day that goes by
where you're not--
- Yeah, there's just--
- [Brian] Messing with
several projects at once.
- There's just certain days where I'm like
just don't do it today, and it's hard.
And it's only like once a week, maybe.
- What do you do instead?
Like what do you do instead of working--
- Definitely smoke weed.
Like that's a big thing, like I have
a nice night cap every night.
Like I have a nice pour
of Scotch you know.
Just hang with my dogs near the
fireplace, watching a movie.
Just chillin' enjoying that,
lets me know, six p.m., I'm good.
I can also do the same thing with weed,
smoke a joint, and I'm just, I'm relaxed.
But on days off it's
like, not drinking early,
but I could like smoke.
I could like get up, do
whatever I need to do,
workout and then just like,
hey I ain't got shit to do,
I'm going to smoke a
joint and watch a movie.
Or hang out with a friend
of mine, play video games.
Like another thing that
I just really love,
I need to do more of just
being by myself, but completely alone.
'Cause I'm alone when I
work, but I'm still working.
Like I'm tired of just sitting,
like being outside in my
backyard just relaxing.
- [Brian] Is that hard for you?
- Yeah, but it's not hard to do,
it's just like hard to be like
you know you could be doing something.
But my favorite thing I think,
in the whole world is talking to friends.
I've really realize it's like
better than any movie or experience.
Like having a conversation with a friend
whether they're dealing with something
like negative or positive or this or that.
It's just every time I
talk to a friend of mine,
I feel like I'm growing as a man.
- [Brian] You take something away from it.
- Yeah, yeah, that's my
favorite thing to do.
Just get baked, just talk about cool shit.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- Yeah, that's my favorite.
- You also, something I've noticed
in the last few years from knowing you
is you're not afraid to surround yourself
with people that will tell you the truth?
- [Logic] Yeah.
- A lot of times, I mean
thankfully the people
that are with you now have been with you,
most of them since pretty much
before all this ended up
escalating to where it is now.
But a lot of people in your position,
some people want 100% hype people
or someone that's just
going to be a yes man.
Some people want 50/50,
they need that thing
to feed them but they also want
some people to tell them the truth.
I feel like with you nobody is really
too intimidated or scared to say like
you need to chill man or maybe this
is a better idea or whatever else.
How important is that you have people
around you that are like that?
- It's super important to me.
But I've also learned
to watch what I ask now.
So like--
- [Brian] What do you mean
- Like I want everybody to always
be completely honest with me.
But there's certain decisions that I make
in my life that as a man
I don't give a shit what you say.
- [Brian] It's gonna
be you that make them.
- I'm gonna look you in your face
and I'm going to say
this is what I'm doing,
and I don't really give a shit
to hear what you have to say about it.
But like not in an asshole way.
I'll say it along the lines of like,
hey man I know what I'm doing.
I've made this decision
and the only reason
I'm telling you this or explaining why
I came to this decision is
because I love you enough
to just let you know you
don't have to worry about me.
And so it's like I'll have
those kind of conversations.
But it's like probably
85%, everyone's involved.
I tell them all the time,
let me know what do you think?
Yes, no, should I do this?
I mean everything, my book cover,
the track list of an album,
the album cover, my scripts.
What about this joke?
Is it too much, is it
not enough, everything.
Tell me just be honest,
and that's, I build that.
And then there's 15% of like well,
fuck it I'm going to
do it this way anyway.
Like I didn't really
ask you about this joke.
And you can think it's too edgy,
or too this, or too that.
And I'm going hey, I appreciate it
but I don't give a shit.
- Ultimately you have to make the call.
- But you have to know when to,
when and where you take criticism
or the opinions of others.
Even the people that love you.
'Cause I've had people give me advice
that I love that are
very near and dear to me.
I took their advice instead
of following my gut,
and told them like I really
think I should follow my gut.
And then I listen to them,
and it fucking blew up in my face.
And they're like I'm never
gonna question your gut again.
You say it's your gut.
Yeah I'll never question again.
- Yeah, 'cause it's been
honed and trained to know.
It's like survival.
- My gut's never got me, never really
done me wrong like truly, like everything.
Like even if something might have not
necessarily worked out,
I'm still super glad
I did it 'cause it taught
me so much about myself.
And then how to go about
that in the future,
or this, or that, it's
really whatever it may be
business, personal, like this, that.
So it's really awesome,
but but I only ever
go to my gut for big shit you know.
I'm not like, hey should I chance it
on the sushi that's been
sitting out for two hours?
It's not like that.
Serious shit, like damn,
should I buy a house?
- Yeah, things like that.
- Should I do this?
And then I'm like yeah,
fuck yeah you should.
Or you know what not right now.
It's the same reason I didn't buy
$10,000 dollar shoes.
- [Brian] Right.
- Until I was almost 30 years old,
with X amount of money in the bank,
when I'm like you know
what I deserve it, fuck it.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- Yeah.
(light jazz music)
- What's something that used to
terrify you that doesn't anymore?
- That's a good one.
- Besides being naked
in a hot tub with me.
- Planes.
- Okay, we talked about
this earlier, flying.
- Okay I used to be so
fucking terrified of planes.
When I first started with music,
I'd never on a plane in my life.
I just started flying back all the time,
to Maryland before I moved to LA.
I was totally fine.
And then one day I was having dinner
with my attorney Paul and he's like,
"Oh my God, talk about flying, right."
He doesn't talk like that.
"You're in this fucking
metal death machine."
- I remember him saying metal death trap.
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
- "You know, it'll just explode."
(laughing)
It doesn't sound like
SpongeBob, Squidward.
I was like, "Okay, whatever."
And the next day I get on a plane--
- All you can think about.
- God, it's all I can think about,
it is, something triggered me.
For the next few years,
I battled with this.
It probably wasn't until last year,
the last year, year and a
half, then it's like gone.
- Is it because you fly so much now
that it's just a regular thing?
It's like getting in a car or did you
have to build that process?
- I never flew before
and I was fine with it.
The first time I was on a plane,
I was like oh this is scary,
but then I'm like oh it's fine.
It's because I had
everything I ever wanted
in my life and to me the
most reasonable thing
that could happen to take it all away
would be dying in a plane crash.
But it was this irrational fear
that was so deep down and embedded
that I couldn't realize that's
what it was at the time.
- It was connected to so many other things
that wasn't even about flying.
The fear was about something else.
- Yeah, so but I had to learn to let go
and it's because I'm a control freak.
I want to know everything.
It's like I'm in the studio with Bobby,
and I'm behind the Pro
Tools session half the time,
'cause I want to do it myself.
But you gotta know when to let go.
And so it didn't happen overnight.
It was to the point
where I was contemplating
buying a million dollar tour bus.
And I didn't have the
money to do it, you know.
I trusted my gut not to do that.
- [Brian] Right.
So you wouldn't have to fly--
- Yeah, so I wouldn't have to fly.
I mean I've driven 18 hour
drives in a compact car,
when I didn't even have a license,
with four other people,
just because I didn't
want to ride two and
half hours on a plane.
- See for me I have the opposite fear.
For you it's I've done everything
I wanted to do, I have everything,
you know like to a point.
- To a point.
- To a point that I want
like that sense of whatever,
and then all that could be taken away.
For me it's I have all
this unfulfilled stuff
that I haven't been able to do.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- I want to be able to do that,
and that's what I'm afraid getting--
- [Logic] Yeah, it's interesting
- It's interesting too coming
from both having a fear
of the same thing but
the different motivations
of why we have to like, yeah.
- But I think that's what
it really comes down to.
It's a fear of that like,
and that's pretty wild.
- What else?
- Oh, I used to be fucking
scared of the public.
Yeah sure, 100% yeah,
just scared of going out.
Not like being famous like when nobody
even really know who I was.
And that's because I grew up doing
a bunch of dumb ass shit and seeing people
like oh so and so go rob this person.
And it's like you know, like seriously,
and then like oh my God.
And then being in situations myself
where like guns are involved,
and like I could die and I'm like,
that like fucked me up and
scared me about the world.
And you know what I think it's a fear
that probably is still there
but it's a fear that's overcome.
Like I'm scared to go to the fucking store
'cause there's some psychopath who wants
to go in and shoot the place up.
Straight up, dude.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- Like I'm fearful of
like just shit like that,
like intruders, or this
and that, like yeah.
It's a fear but it's not
a fear that holds me back.
So I guess it's something that anyone
could be afraid of but I don't let it
rule my life like it used to.
Now it's like normal, like I used to
freak out about planes and freak out
way more than the average person.
Now I ride it like the average person,
with maybe a heightened,
acute sense of like death.
- Right.
- But the same can be said with that,
with just the outside world.
The outside world's a scary
fucking place man, super scary.
It's also very beautiful but I mean
there's people who walk into a gas station
and get fucking stabbed.
Like it's just you hear about
the craziest scariest shit.
You think it could never happen to you.
But the truth is that it could.
But then, also that's the thing
is like especially as a
rapper, I'm not stupid.
Like I don't wear diamonds
and all this other stuff.
This is the flashiest thing I wear.
And don't get me wrong,
this is like, yeah.
But I'm not going to wear this
without two motherfuckers that will
rip your head off around me.
- [Brian] Right.
- Just really like I'm
not stupid, you know.
- You also don't want to live in
constant state of fear
because there's going
to be something that's
going to freak you out.
If you go to the gas station,
there's 10 different
things that could happen.
Somebody could come in and stab you.
The gas station could explode.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- Someone could die in a
freak gasoline fight accident.
(laughing)
That's a real thing.
- Yeah, yeah totally.
But you can't overthink it,
these fears are understandable,
they're relatable.
It's just, it is what it is.
- I also don't get to where you are
without having overcome a lot of them.
- So outta my comfort
zone 90% of the time.
My comfort zone--
- [Brian] What is your comfort zone?
- My house.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- I'm home.
- So you, your dogs,
Christopher Nolan movies?
- Yeah, that's it, but just being home.
'Cause there I don't have to
watch every little thing I say.
- And less is expected of you there?
- Yeah, I just get to
be Bobby, it's the best.
But when I go outside it's like
superman changing, like I forget.
That's who I am so I go in public
and it's like if I do one wrong
thing then that's terrible.
That's something that
fucking insane, you know.
- That's a fear that
comes with the territory.
That's a fear that comes with being
so in the spotlight that you--
- Let it, now I'm like fuck
it, yeah like shit happens.
You know what I mean like
it just is what it is.
I've had songs that didn't do that good.
Relationships that didn't work
out, all in the public eye.
And it's really difficult and it was
something that was hard but then you
realize that who gives a fuck.
- Right.
- That's the biggest thing
like why does it matter?
What do you care if people like you
or think you're a good
guy, or this or that?
Like it doesn't matter, that's
your own fucking business.
And people are going to make up
whatever they're going
to make up about you.
- I've struggled for years with,
there's something that
an old mentor of mine,
when I was a musician, back
when Reagan was president.
I'll tell you about him later.
He used to say to me something
I still struggle with this day,
'cause he was an extremely free person.
And I would always ask
him stuff, just sort of,
stuff that just sticks to me,
stuff that I can't stop thinking about,
stuff that I obsess over,
bounces, goes right by you.
What's the secret?
And he told me what other people think
about you is none of your business.
And if you can understand that,
you can understand freedom.
And I still to this day am not operating
in that place of freedom because I still
care too much about that stuff.
But I see you in the last few years
getting to that place of freedom,
and going like, there
are people whose opinions
I care about and I'm gonna listen to them.
But if I allow myself to be ruled
by this mob, then it's only gonna hinder
my art and it's gonna fuck with my head
and change the way that I do things.
- If so and so and fucking
whatever publication
gets off essentially gossip rap media,
says X, Y, and Z about me well
fuck them, who gives a shit.
Now Sway, from Sway in the morning
is like now that album wasn't really like,
I'd be like fuck.
But I care about what he says.
- [Brian] Somebody that, exactly.
- But here's the thing, it's like
you got these people chasing headlines
and clicks and creating memes,
and doing all this shit but you gotta,
you got a Wu Tang Clan like salute bro.
And Nas, and like incredible
OG's, fucking Jay Z.
I met Jay Z--
- Yeah.
- He's like "Keep doing your
thing bro," and I'm like fuck.
Like that's what matters to me.
But that's what I'm saying is like
all the people I love, care about,
revere, respect, look
up to, idolize, love me.
Eminem shouted me out on his
fucking last album, that's crazy.
So you gotta also think what
really matters the most.
But even it's like well fuck all them too.
Am I a good person?
Do my friends like me?
Like who gives a shit.
You still gotta do it for your happiness.
But,
no for real.
- It's cool when you say it.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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- You got some time off right now sort of.
- [Logic] Yeah.
- You're not touring for a little bit,
after grinding for the last several years.
How does it feel?
- Well it feels great, it's so dope.
It's really--
- You miss being on the road?
Or is it nice, healthy--
- It's a healthy thing, 'cause it's like
there's post tour depression,
it's a real thing.
- Yeah, the end of summer camp.
- Yeah, you're so used to like getting up,
doing this, doing that,
doing this, it's weird.
You're excited to go on tour all year
then you go on tour and
you're on for a week
and you're excited go home
and never go on tour again.
That's how it is, it's really,
but we've been really rearranging
just like how like my tour is done
and making it so much more easier,
more efficient, more something,
really wanting to like being excited
to go out and do again,
which is really cool.
Me being off, it doesn't
mean I'm not working.
I work all the time.
But there's balance to
that and I'm excited
to go back when the time comes.
- You're very grateful for everything
that you have and you're
very grateful for your story.
But we didn't go into a
lot of your back story
because you've covered that selection--
- [Logic] Yeah.
- Pretty amazing, if anybody hasn't seen
the Rapture documentary on Netflix
that they did on you, it's fantastic.
- They snapped.
- I was in it.
I'm not saying that's why it was
such a big hit, I'm also not saying that.
Is it important to you to
maintain that gratitude?
- Oh yeah, definitely,
but only personally.
- What do you mean?
- Well because like that's another thing,
if I'm so focused on being the humble,
like it's crazy I've done interviews
where I'm like, oh blah blah blah.
And I explain, like I brought up money.
I didn't bring up money
to say that oh I'm rich.
I brought up money to say okay
I have millions of dollars,
that is then dispersed in
salaries, and this and that.
I only bring up money
to allow the listener
or the viewer to understand that
as a businessman it's not
all this money in my bank,
it goes into you know, an account.
Then hopefully these people working for me
will then flush that money back in
and so on and so forth.
And then I would also bring it up
to say I am blessed I
have worked very hard.
I have sacrificed so much that
I could buy these shoes, even
though it might seem stupid,
or this watch and explain
my reasoning behind it.
However in doing so,
it's not the first time
I've had this conversation necessarily
so it's like, "Oh, he's
such a fucking asshole now.
"He's talking about his fucking money."
Or he's talking about
his this, da da da da.
- So you used to disclaim a lot
so that you didn't come across that way.
But now your thing is now
you're set free, you don't care.
- Yeah, I mean there's certain
disclaimers for sure 100%.
You know it's like that's why I say,
regardless of your political views.
Like I don't fuck with
Trump that's just me.
I think it's so insane that I could say
I don't agree with this man morally
and how he's running our country
and how he represents us as like
a fucking mascot for the free world.
And then somebody could be
like oh that what the fuck.
But the crazy thing is why is that?
Why is it that you can have
a man here and a man here,
who both have a family and
they both like the same sport,
and they both enjoyed similar pastimes,
and they're best friends and
they could be best friends.
And they have all these things in common
but he likes this God or this president
and he likes this God or this president.
So it's fuck you, keep
your kids away from me.
- That's what's caused what's
happening right now anyway.
- [Logic] Exactly.
- Is the division.
- So when I say things like,
"Well regardless of
your political beliefs."
I just put that out
there because it's like
I'm not one of these
people who just fucking
on Twitter all day like
fuck Trump and da da da.
Which is fine you can
just say whatever you want
but I just believe like I
have my own views on life.
And whether you agree or disagree
we shouldn't kill each
other because of it.
We should be able to respectfully say
this is what I believe in.
And then you go hey this
is what I believe in.
And if we are so fucking opposed,
we should go you know
what let's not really
talk about this, seriously.
- [Brian] Like Thanksgiving?
- Yeah, I know how you
feel, you know how I feel,
let's fucking eat some cake,
play some video games, smoke
some pot, have some fun.
Like the world isn't like that.
- Yeah.
You're not afraid of saying how you feel
about certain subjects but you also don't
dive into the political climate
and add your voice to that in a way
that a lot of other people are.
Is it because you don't
wanna add to that division?
But you also you have a
pretty specific message.
And it's more important to
you to get that message out--
- [Logic] 100% 'cause it's equality.
- 'Cause the president's going to change
within the next four to eight years.
- For me, it's like why
would I spend my time
like trying to, I'm not trying to push
my political views by religious beliefs,
my XY and Z on another person,
or a community, or the world.
The only thing I'm trying
to push on everyone,
is just positivity and love.
So it's like but I also believe
I have the right to say
how I feel about something.
That's why I can be like
yeah I don't fuck with Trump.
But this guy could or somebody
behind the camera could.
And I also would not want
him to feel disrespected.
Even though I'm not fucking with it
but it's like you're a cool person, man,
like I don't want you to be like, oh shit.
- But you're separating the person
from some of their ideas.
- Yeah, which it is what it is.
And we can fucking get
it in and talk forever.
But it's just like look man,
I'm not really big on disclaimers anymore,
I used to always do this shit.
All this and that and all this stuff
because I just wanted to fit in.
I want to be accepted.
I didn't want these things
to hold me back, or this or that.
But I've realized you can
give all the disclaimers
in the world somebody's
going to find something,
they're gonna find something, man.
They're going to find something to hate
or try to exploit or
whatever the case may be.
It's like that's insane.
That's wild.
- That's the world we're
living in right now
and I don't blame you for
taking a step back from
the social media aspect of it all.
- Here's another thing
that's so fucked up,
we are so addicted to social media
that I retract from it for my own
personal health and happiness,
and I have people texting
me like, are you okay?
Are you all right?
I haven't seen you fucking
posting ice cream cones
and making fun of your
friends, and da da da.
Like naw motherfucker, are you all right?
Are you all right?
Like that's what's crazy it's like,
I hate social media, I'm addicted.
It's like the thing, it's insane.
But yeah and then they're in too.
Like you can't just say how you feel,
like you can't just go and
make a tweet and just be
like hey this is how I feel, it's insane.
- [Brian] To be picked apart
and dissected and someone,
what you end up having
is a bunch of people
telling you what you meant?
- Yeah, how you gonna tell
me what the fuck I meant?
With the height of black
lives matter movement,
I've said this a million times,
and I've talked to you about it.
This is a big thing.
And I wasn't hashtagging
black lives matter.
'Cause I was like oh I 100%
agree with that statement.
I believe it it an all
that's happening with
you know police violence and all
that shit is not fucking okay.
But you got some like
you know hipster chick
hit me up like what are you scared,
are you not really black,
you're not going hashtag
black lives matter?
I'm like fuck no, 'cause it's hashtag this
and it's hashtag that,
one fucking month it's and the next it's,
so you know what I'm going to do?
I'm gonna make a whole album about it.
- You're gonna stay constant.
- And I'm going to talk, I'm
going to let it live forever.
And I made the album Everybody,
and I didn't just talk about you know
what was going on the black community
or with police brutality.
I was talking about gang violence,
drug abuse, sexual assault.
Rapping from all these
different perspectives of life.
Rapping finally for the first
time ever professionally
on an album about my own race.
- [Brian] Yeah, and people
didn't really understand that.
- And the thing that everyone took away
from this amazing album about where we are
in politics, and love, and life, and race,
and religion, and this and that.
And then they turn three songs,
I finally stand up for myself
and I'm sick and tired of constantly
being called white rapper,
white rapper, white rapper.
And I stand up and go I'm black and white
and I'm proud of who I
am, and here's my story.
And then I'm turned into
a meme and made fun of.
- Did you know Logic was biracial?
Yeah, the whole thing.
- Which is funny like, it's
funny like, that's cool.
But it's fucked up as a society,
that I make an entire album about
where we are as not only a country
but where we are in the world,
including social media and addiction,
but that's not what's discussed.
That's not what's discussed
on the cool blocks.
And that was discussed the cool circle
but then CNN, I'm on Ellen,
and I'm on the stage of my life.
Yeah, talking about the
real matters at hand,
which is beautiful.
But it's crazy that this sect of people
that I wanted to be accepted by
are like totally looking that over
and being like he's totally talking
'bout being black and white.
Which one in itself it's like not fair,
because no I didn't
that wasn't everything.
And it doesn't matter 'cause you didn't
even listen to the album.
The real thing is I say this all the time,
Kendrick is a beautiful black man,
who talks about fucking being black
all the time, as he should.
So why can't I talk about my ethnicity,
my race, and my personal experience
when it comes to that.
- Because you look white.
- You said it yourself, so there it is.
- [Brian] I think so.
- No, it is, it totally
is, but then it becomes
this whole racial discussion.
Now there's a bunch of fucking fuckboys
in the comments talking about
this and focusing on this.
Rather than all the plethora of other
amazing topics that we discussed.
It's because it's what
click, it's what hits,
it's what this, it's what that.
But at the end of the day,
this is why I don't give a
shit about disclaimers anymore.
Say how you feel, and honestly if it
comes from the heart
like it doesn't matter,
people can try to twist whatever they
want they can twist it anyway.
I mean it's fucking insane.
I get divorced and somebody thinks
oh there's headlines, he cheated,
or she's a gold digger,
he this or he that.
No it's just two people that love
each other and didn't work out.
But we live in an era where
it has to be something.
It can't not be something.
- Doesn't, yeah that's the thing,
is I read 100 articles
and during that time,
and none of them were true.
- Nothing.
- And that was weird
'cause it's the first time
that I really been in a position
where I know somebody,
that I actually know
the story that all those
articles are about.
I'm going,
but we have to have, we're addicted to--
- Knowing why.
- Bringing down people down to what
we believe is our level.
We need a salacious, we need something
that makes us go, I knew
that guy was a piece of shit.
- But that's what's insane.
That's probably the hardest
thing I ever went through.
And I won't go into it
too much or whatever.
I do want to say like getting divorced
in front of the whole world
and being known as like a loving
husband and this and that.
And then it's like shit
just didn't work out.
And there was a private
thing that we discussed
and we made our statement together.
And people take that thing, and go huh,
and they just throw it away.
- It wasn't this, it's gotta be this.
- It's gotta be X, Y, and Z.
And that was the hardest,
one of the hardest things
I've ever dealt with.
Because I am a good man,
and they're saying this,
and they're saying that
and blah blah blah.
And then you realize who
gives a fuck you know.
Why 'cause nobody's talking about it now,
nobody gives a shit.
- Nobody's talking about it.
- Nobody gives two fucks.
- [Brian] It was a day in
the trades and that's it.
- And that's it and it doesn't matter.
- But it's weird to me too
that that was the response.
Because for a guy who's so okay
with being honest about
this is what the thing,
this is what the situation really is?
You're like that with all these
different issues in your life.
Why would you lie about this other thing
and say it's about this thing it's not?
You're okay with being transparent.
- It doesn't make sense, yeah.
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- Are there any, I'm gonna
use this term loosely,
I don't want to say issues.
Are there any subjects that
you haven't tackled yet,
let's restrict it to music.
Are there any subjects you haven't tackled
in music that you still want to?
That you go like you know what
I want to talk about this.
'Cause you're getting
older a lot of the stuff
that you know you used to deal with
and rap about you're finding tools
for and stuff like that--
- I can answer this by saying I'm working
on a whole album about it.
- Really?
- Yeah, 'cause I ask myself, and I won't
get into it 'cause it's not
time for that kind of thing.
- [Brian] Yeah.
- But there's things I had to ask myself
like about insecurities
and vulnerabilities
and all my biggest fears in music.
Well fuck it let's just
put it all out there.
I've never actually talked about
my own depression or
thinking about suicide
or this or this or blah, blah, blah,
from me like my my perspective.
Not that I think about this
but just the thought,
these intrusive thoughts
that can come and then why they
come and how come they are.
It's like I've decided
to take a lot of the shit
that I've said in interviews
and shit that I've been scared
to say in interviews and
just put it all on an album.
Every song, every drive and just have fun.
From I'm scared of failing,
I'm scared of just falling off the charts,
to I got fucking a million
dollars in my safe.
Like everything, put it all
out there, being myself.
- Where is that safe located?
- It's at, what's your address>
- It's at my house?
Shit, I had no idea.
- I don't have a million
dollars in my safe.
- That sucks.
You shouldn't, that's not safe.
- Not safe, chickachik.
- [Brian] Should be in the mattress.
- Really my money is in the
fucking bank, several accounts.
- In the Cayman's?
- In the Cayman's son.
- Where are the Cayman's?
- I don't know.
- Everybody has their
money in the Cayman's.
Why don't we all just go to
the Cayman's and rob everybody?
We just gotta find out where they are?
Is it like the Bermuda Triangle,
you have to do a ship in the middle
of the night to get to the exact thing?
Thanks for coming in.
- Thanks, bro.
- [Brian] Love you man.
- Love you too, appreciate you.
- [Brian] Appreciate you.
- I hope everybody watching
had a good time and enjoyed it.
- You don't need to talk
to the camera, dude.
- I want to.
- [Brian] Let me, I'm the host.
- Hey guys.
- Okay well send us out.
Do you remember the name of the show?
- Between the Sheets.
With Brian, what's your--
- W. Foster.
- I know but what's your
middle, like William.
- Wayne.
- Wayne, really?
- That's what I go, that's what I use now.
- I'm here with Brian Foster
and my name's Logic, Bobby?
- You can go by the people however
you want to address the people.
- My name is Bobby Hall
and I hope that you've
really enjoyed this time today
and it's making me a little emotional,
this because I really
love this guy right here.
He's so nice.
We just spent so much time together.
It's kinda crazy 'cause I
just been so like elated
by the fact that I can be here today
and I just don't understand.
- No casting directors are watching.
- It's just a weird thing,
it's not even like that.
I appreciate you.
- Them or me?
- You.
I had fun today, it's a great time.
This is a meme now with
myself and make up.
Fuck it.
Thanks for watching.
- Love you, dude.
Is this money?
Oh, god.
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Today I'm going to make you
a cocktail you can't refuse.
Well you actually can refuse it
but it's called the Godfather.
And that's where that quote came from.
Anyways it's The Godfather.
No one knows the exact
origin of this drink.
The general consensus is it was named
after the film, or book, The Godfather.
But some believe it was
Brando's favorite drink.
Regardless of its genesis,
this scotch based cocktail
is sure to class up your evening
and send your enemies fleeing into
the hills or wherever they're from.
Here is what you'll need for this drink,
blended scotch whiskey,
Islay scotch whiskey,
amaretto liqueur, demerara
syrup, and bitters.
First you'll add a bar
spoon of demerara syrup
and three dashes of bitters
to your mixing glass.
Then add an ounce of each scotch,
and half an ounce of amaretto.
Fill your mixing glass half
way to two-thirds with ice.
And stir well.
Then you're going to stream into
a large rocks glass
over cubes or large ice.
Then make a luxurious orange twist.
Express,
and garnish with a peel.
And there you have it, a Godfather.
The taste is reminiscent
of smoke and cereal
with notes of cherry and marzipan.
It's like a Scotch
old-fashioned but with amaretto.
And it will be an easy go to in your
catalog of drinks for years to come.
Cheers.
Thank you so much for
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