okay all right doctor you know that
sends chills down my spine it really
does the way it builds the the words if
you read them and by the way Keith put
them up on the website it dies fast
really fast all that stuff up on our
bill calm so if you haven't done it yet
for god sakes don't do it if you're in a
truck especially if you're on the road
you know if you're stopped maybe but
otherwise don't get tempted somehow I
have this vision of some guy in an
18-wheeler you know with a I don't know
iPhone five in his hand trying to
manipulate his way to art bailed out
come No don't do it
dr. Roger Kay Lear is author of aliens
and the scalpel first and second edition
in other words two of them UFO crash at
in Brazil rather a casebook alien
implants chopped liver and three other
books published outside the US has been
said to have been one of the world's
most important leaders in physical
evidence research involving the field of
ufology
he and his surgical team have performed
16 surgeries on alleged alien abductees
this resulted in the removal of 17 some
somebody must had 217 separate and
distinct objects suspected of being
alien implants these objects have been
scientifically investigated by some of
the most prestigious labs in the world
their findings have been baffling and
some comparisons have been made to
meteorite samples dr. Leir continues to
investigate the physiological and
biological aspects of the abduction
phenomenon he has also formed a
nonprofit organization for this purpose
called
ans Research Inc it has been a long time
since I've heard dr. Lyra's voice dr.
welcome hello
yes it's way way too
really good to hear your voice it's a
real pleasure being on the show again
and it takes me back a few years
well incredibly happy to have you it is
it's a whole new ballgame up here buddy
we have time you just wouldn't believe
how much time we have and how few
commercials we have Oh baby it's
something else all right
you have done some of the most
incredible work in ufology period it's
as simple as that I mean taking implants
out of people and of course at the same
time you've been and you follow it if so
you're a doctor you're a ufologist I
don't know you tell me about yourself
interrupted for a bit with a very nasty
nasty virus which today is called
shingles which led to a seven-hour
surgery in about 20 days of the hospital
so that kind of put me out of commission
for a while but I'm back you know I have
had singles are the single most painful
thing that can happen to a human being
is that 100% on that is the truth but
the subject of shingles from the medical
aspect has been absolutely aborted its
it had been turned into something of an
absolute lie and I was you know somehow
the victim of one of those lies
shingles has absolutely nothing to do
with the chickenpox virus oh oh no they
didn't live me on TV did they are you
chicken I saw that you have if you had
chicken pox you already have the
shingles virus in you
now if you believe that I've got several
bridges that I want to sell well you're
kind of in the bridge selling business
anyway right a little bit right
our listeners can check this out I want
to do a little simple research I looked
at the virus that caused jingles so many
years ago it's funny it got renamed
because it was called herpes zoster and
it was like comparing that to herpes
simplex which is the virus that causes
chickenpox was like come looking at a
German Shepherd and squeak your cat
right incidentally I don't know if you
ever knew but you asked weakly can I
have squeak - rabbit maybe never meet
you maybe listen are you are you healed
you're better now yeah as I said I'm
back doing my thing again and I had been
for a while I still yeah but they didn't
find anything else in in there did they
with the shingles no no but I had a wind
up having two arterial bypasses done
because I wound up with a hole about as
big as baseball my ankle and that had to
be filled in with a graft and all that
sort of all wonderful things that it's
been a quiet experience but yeah I've
really been through it you really proud
all right okay I made the best of it I
got a new book coming out which should
be out next month which I can't remember
I can't mention the name because of the
agreement with the publisher but I can't
say that the foreword was written by dr.
Edgar Mitchell the astronaut from a home
working and so of course really looking
forward to that coming out and it's got
a lot of the new information which we
haven't talked about and years but we
found stuff that is gone far far beyond
what we had talked about in latter years
can you talk about it later tonight I
would love to in fact you know and Keith
put a report up on the
website so if people want to go to our
delcom they can take a look there's some
pictures up there to our ultra-micro
photographs and when we talk about this
and they'll be able to see actually see
the things that I'm telling you about
okay all right excellent I've got the
website right next to me so I'll be
going over there take a look myself all
right
are you still performing surgeries for
the removal of alien implants yes
in short we're getting ready to perform
tomorrow all I need to do now is put in
place the funding and we have a couple
of individuals who I think are going to
come through with that so we'll have at
least two more to run through the fires
of research examination all right if I
were to come to you doctor and say and
being very serious and say look I really
think I was abducted I think that I've
got an implant right here I'll say my
leg just as an example I've got an
implant in my leg it occurred or
happened during the abduction I've got a
little scar here left from it that you
can see I'm kind of curious what how you
would vet me in other words how you
would treat me and and how it would go
so basically we would begin by putting
you through a rather rigorous
examination in relation to your
experience and we really wouldn't expect
to see a scar so if you had a scar we
would probably say bye-bye
all right the scars gone it's it's in
there at the skate magically it's in
there I have no scar now what okay now
you say you have an implant there so I
have to know that's true so along with
your chilling telling you it's true died
I believe you a hundred percent except
though I have to send this stuff to the
lab another's
so they have to believe you too so you
have to show me some x-rays or at least
a cat scan or something like that that
shows you have a foreign object now we
don't know what it is but at least we
know you have a foreign object all right
so you would send me away to get either
an x-ray if it would show in an x-ray or
I don't know an MRI whatever at my own
expense I'd have to pay for it right no
no no examinations treatment or surgery
that is under the auspices of ans
research is there any charges made also
if we do find something and you want to
take it out see you has to be your idea
you want it not ours well I hate it it's
in there and I didn't it's bothering me
so I want it gone of course now do I
have to sign a lot of papers and stuff
saying that I will donate my object to
you when when we're all done
exactly it becomes the property of not
ans research it becomes the property of
the civilization of this planet and we
promise to keep you totally informed of
any information which is elicited from
the research that this reveals but we
every every bit of your personal
information is kept 100% confidential so
a television program comes along and
wants to do a show we want to show them
the footage and you don't want your face
shown or you don't want your object
shown that's Liberty that we assign to
the individual not to be honest with you
it would depend on where it was I mean
if it was an embarrassing spot I
probably wouldn't want my face shown
there are people that don't want their
face shown there people want their
voices extract disguised we have done
mission shows of that nature and there
are people that don't want to be
on TV or have anything mentioned that
might give anybody a clue as to what
they are now they asked bass you know
sometimes have occupational hazards
because they're afraid that you know
even scientists pray to higher masters
they don't want to lose their income or
be embarrassed or cold in that case or
whatever might happen so they're just
wheeled we respect that and we don't we
don't use them but we do keep the data
and the data is available to the world
because I'm not doing this for myself
I'm not doing it for fun and I'm not
making a buck I'm broke as it could be
especially after going through this
illness but you know through the help of
some very kind people including someone
we both know and I'm going to get credit
on here which right which is Robert
Bigelow was a Robert yeah Robert yes
what a guy it's just a wonderful
wonderful kind person who is totally
responsible for getting this information
out to the world and you know when I was
ill it was just absolutely wonderful
it was a very good friend of mine Roger
and you know the work he's doing now
he's solidly now into aerospace and
launching satellites like crazy and
getting ready to put a hotel in space
absolutely and he deserves it this is
something that he worked for this has
been a goal of his for many many years
since the he established needs which
helped me greatly with the research I
also understand historically that he had
purchased a radio station in the Union
Plaza Hotel or a very strange show began
with a very famous person now by the
name of Park Bell yes sir yes sir he's
really special do you know what he did
he actually a few years ago landed a
helicopter in my backyard
that was quite an affair boy I'll tell
you what yeah I'm the dust that came up
in that thing landing land at a hotel in
my back yard
flew myself and my wife into Vegas and
we got a real inside look at satellites
preparing to launch the whole assembly
facility there all thought it was
incredible so he's done years of work
since then I guess it's about time for
me to have Robert back on the air all
right go ahead yeah I was just gonna say
I suggested to your program producer
Paul that I would like to see Robert
back on the air because you know yeah
like you mentioned he was he's in a
wonderful position right now he's going
to do some first space that have never
been done before and cooperation with a
few other people who are making
headlines but Bob always seems to say
you know out of the current you don't
see his name you do see these other guys
but I know I don't know you know who he
reminds me of Roger I know who you're
gonna say probably Howard Hughes no no
no although there's reason to make that
comparison but no no he reminds me of
the billionaire in contact the one who's
on the screen to Jodie Foster and leans
down and looks at the camera and says
wanna take a ride yeah yeah that's one
yeah that's true absolutely true so he's
been as I said most of the things you
know let's do you talk about the truth
most of the things that have happened in
ufology that have made books and
comments for all kinds of television
radio shows I have been sponsored by Bob
Bigelow that's how you know I was
shocked to find out that the Rockefeller
event that occurred years and years near
well rockefeller did pay for some of
that he paid for a quarter of it
Bob pay the rest yep I know I even a lot
of research
serious serious and expensive research
in ufology yeah absolutely you know one
of the people on the face of this planet
that is responsible for a number of
different things now there are a lot of
other people getting on the bandwagon at
the present time because I believe
finally the world is waking up to a new
reality now we've got Steven Bassett for
example who did the citizens hearing in
Washington DC five days long of
testimony I was there I was on the last
day which was a lucky thing for me
because I got to hear what everybody
else says all right new right way to go
but you know it was an intense very very
intense feeling to sit there and relate
this information to you know 80 years or
60 years of congressional abilities that
these the panel had and you know to get
to get to know them through the years
and I learned you know probably as much
about the government of the United
States as they learned about ufology all
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again dr. Roger Leir dr. Leir we've got
a subscriber base on XM around 27
million people that's a bunch of people
and you know a lot of them haven't ever
heard my program before I had whitley on
about i don't know
within the month and we all know i know
anyway whitley had an implant attempted
to be removed from his ear and there are
those who doubt what whitley says i'm
not one of them because i know the man
really well but he you were part of the
team that tried to remove that implant
from Whitley's ear am i right uh
partially right I met the physician who
was the guy that tried to remove it from
the ear and quite a conversation with
him and I listened to his explanation of
what he saw how he panicked when it
moved out of the way I witness another
words when the scalpel when the scalpel
came near to be clear the surgeon says
the implant actually moved in Whitley
serious that's correct it moved out of
the way but if he was able to get a
little piece of it which was a sentence
for pathology and there was some
mysterious material but there wasn't
enough there to really make a
determination what it was and then later
Whitley wanted me to take another shot
at it and I said well that's what you
want to do and you're 100% sure I'll do
it and then he said can you guarantee me
that after it's done I won't be dead and
I said no that's a stop
yep that's a showstopper I remember I
remember maybe you can tell me why
doctors do this dr. Leir but when we had
Asia and when my wife is in labor
actually you know the doctor had been
telling her it was a c-section and the
doctor had been telling her every visit
when we'd go you know for the normal
checkup everything is fine everything is
great it'll be a c-section pizza cake
nothing to it and then when you're
actually in the hospital you're in bed
you're in the middle of labor the doctor
stands at the end of the bed and says I
need to read you this list of risks and
and there's this long list of well you
might stop breathing you might die and
you know it's like a showstopper of
course in that case you can't stop the
show but my goodness they wait until the
last moment to redo the risks well that
not right because you're supposed to
have that list all done and signed
before you ever plunk your Fanny in the
bed well she might have done that she
might have signed and not exactly known
you know I'm well forget to sign bedside
manner too I mean suppose I went to an
ophthalmologist and I was going to have
a cataract done and I signed all the
stuff since the last moment he says well
this procedure is just an ordinary we've
done but you could wind up blind yes
that's right so anyway Whitley said you
can't guarantee me I won't die and you
said no and not that stopped that so
still moved at least it was the last
time I talked to him but you know I
can't make that kind of a guarantee you
know lord knows what could happen we
don't we don't know what's going to
happen from day to day if you never
touches here or whatever especially on
it carried away I guess and began
chasing it around his head yeah one of
his publishers
it's got bright red and hot had to run
out and go to the restroom and put some
cold water to cool off
actually that's it's not that funny I
have seen his ear turn red I've seen it
myself
yeah he showed it to me one time to when
it was glowing beautifully red you know
not not not to change gears but I just
want to take this opportunity to thank a
few people one is Keith Rowling who were
doing a wonderful job of getting immense
amount of material I put up on a website
up in time for the show
and next way I well I didn't get a
chance to thank you for the great
wonderful marvelous fantastic car quote
that you gave me that we used in on the
back of the book I believe for a UFO
crash in Brazil mm-hmm but that was just
something that I will always I will
always thank you for for the rest of my
life oh thank you
and you're right about that there's a
very great deal of photography up on the
website and you can follow along folks
by going to art bell calm just find the
name Roger Leir he's our only guest
listed with a human name and click on
that and then you'll you'll come to the
material here which we're about to talk
about so you might as well get it on the
screen along with so much else to watch
up there now I I'm not sure where to
begin
I guess I guess I'll leave it to you
there's so much material that we have to
go through but you know I'm right at the
first picture 4:59 a.m. May 15th of 2009
and I guess I'm looking at something
that was taken out of somebody or what
what am I seeing well I believe if
you're seeing a date day you're probably
looking at a UFO and that's probably
part of the material from the cumbrous
Turkey UFO which showed us three
years in a row I just happened to be
there and looking through the camera
when that was filmed so there's a large
amount of material on that UFO now the
camera we were using with the camera
with a 300 millimeter lens and
electronic doubler that means that you
can double it to 600 millimeters let me
explain what the situation was at the
time there were three conferences that
went on each year and following the
conference that during the conference
look what go back UFOs were passing over
the conference center like looking at
the traffic on a freeway where awareness
this was a Istanbul Turkey right okay
just to give you some idea doctor when I
look at this photograph it could either
be a large object far away or it could
have been something you removed from
somebody's ear in other words in the
first two photographs there is no
reference for size right it was when we
get farther into it you'll see the
estimate survived this was taken out
over the sea and there was from the
European coast so the investigations
that were done on the video gave us you
know maybe it might have been 20 miles
away also the sky was clear but the moon
was bright and the craft was being lit
by the moon however if you go down to
the following pictures you'll see that
as we push closer and closer and closer
on the craft we can see that the front
end of it as round as Omar I'm looking
at the video now oh my oh my is right
because this has got to be and after
you've looked that the whole thing I'm
sure you're going to agree this has got
to be the finest footage
that was ever taken of the UFO not only
that but it shows the occupants I think
I see them um I have a question right
away if you don't mind my god that's
incredible I'm running the video right
now that really is incredible what is it
dr. Leir that that that lights up the
craft or puts the light on the craft can
you tell me it kind of comes and goes
yeah the craft is being a lit from the
outside now the camera is on a tripod
but there is a slight wind blowing and
the camera is focusing on the front of
the craft but the craft does move and
then you'll see that then one of the
shots there is kind of turned sideways
and all from the front of it it looks
like it's saucer shape you'll see it's
not it's one it's a well boy you know
I'm sorry it is definitely a wow this is
really good stuff you want to click on
the video folks and just sort of let it
run in the background as we're talking
and I do think it looks like you can see
two occupants in what would be some kind
of cockpit right right so there's three
ports that show one in the middle and
one on either end now as you get farther
down into the video and you get I not
the video but when you get down into the
stills and we get to the analysis part
the analysis on this video was done by
the University of Istanbul which is a
government University and it created a
stir in all the newspapers national
newspapers in Turkey I should open a
citation
margin hope to gives account I'm sitting
here watching this now as I hope a lot
of the audience is and wow this is and
and the other thing is this is going on
while you're at a UFO conference in
Turkey that's right this is right after
the conference and this we went down the
European coast to the small town called
come Burgas
and we stayed up from midnight till five
o'clock in the morning filming out over
the sea and and one instance this was
three years in a row I think it was the
last year 100% sure I think it was the
last year 2009
I mean Masson and his crew were there
and they were filming it also so there
was two sets of original videos that
were taken of this now I'm he had
analysis done in Mexico
haha I was on who was ahead of Sirius TV
and a few mysterious UFO organizations
and Turkey had the analysis done by the
University of Istanbul and Jen it went
to a fellow Mario Valdez in Chile who
used a frame splitter now for those of
the audience just listening a frame
splitter splits each picture that goes
by the television camera lens into two
what we call fields now the the film
goes by the lens at 30 frames per second
so when you split it in half you get 60
frames per second so he studied each
individual field and he his
concentration was on the occupants of
the craft and you're going to see when
you click on the investigation part of
this his entire report is there and he
has made specific outlines and drawing
drawings of what these entities were
doing while we were filming them holy
moley this is such clear stuff was it
just basically hovering out over the
ocean in one place or was there much
movement associated with it because to
you know keep the camera on it at this
distance it must have been relatively
stationary it was relatively stationary
but for whatever the reason it did make
flight turns to one direction and that
slight turns to the other direction
because sometimes you're getting a bed
view of the port that's on the left side
sometimes you're getting a better view
of the port that's on the right side and
then finally it turns sideways and you
can see that it's not a disc but you
know remember Bill McDonald oh sure
well Milt McDonald you know made a
drawing of what they considered the
Roswell craft to look like and boy if
this doesn't fit that drawing you know
it sure does it's a boomerang shape and
it's also gone significant there's two
different shots one where you've got the
things strobing lights all over the
place like crazy and I many shots where
it's not strobing lights like that right
and you know why what are they doing
what's their intent we've had a few
people that tried to debunk it and say
that all this was nothing but the
reflection of Lights from a big source
on the water and stuff like that we had
one the other day that got me through
the website and he said he's a video
analyst and this has been photoshopped
because you can see where the 0:09 when
you analyze it looks like it's below the
other well in the first place I wrote
him back and I said you know I thank you
for the time that you took for your
analysis but number one please give me
your credentials and number two please
tell me where you got a copy of the
original film from because there's only
two copies in the world with that I'd
never heard from again well I'm about 6
6 minutes and 40 seconds into it this is
astounding stuff folks wow what a good
lens I mean that thing's way out there
and when you get the camera just right
you're able to get very close to it
Wow yeah now something we surveyed the
whole area before we ever filmed
anything we looked for oil derricks we
look for other platforms light sources
ships reflective objects and there was
nothing I mean there
nothing out over the water now I don't
know if you saw the part yet but there
was a dog standing there on the beach
looking at the object and he's just
barking his barker off yes yes I I saw
absolutely thought that's a well that's
just a remarkable video and I don't know
why it's the first time that I've ever
seen it well I was out of the country
and now I'm down to the still
photographs which Wow
these are I guess our frame grabs is
that what I'm looking at yes these are
frame grabs holy smokes
the one June 8th 2008
now that's a year nearly a year before
the other one right that's correct
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thinking of dogs okay you talk about
dogs barking on the beach these are so
smart today you know talking back to me
in other words this craft had been
visiting this area for quite a long time
well now I discussed this with a lot
more physicists and he came up with a
very interesting approach why did it
show up just about the same time for
three years in a row at the same time of
the night in the same place at the same
geographical location and he said this
might be an indication of time travel
and what we're looking at might be a
time loop Wow Tennyson
all right I have a question an obvious
question I guess if this craft had been
showing up night after night after night
in the same place time loop or not and
that's something we can talk about why
wouldn't local military have sent
something out to try and figure out what
was violating their airspace in Turkey
it's kind of a strange situation because
in Turkey there's so
many UFOs that unless they interfere
somehow with human activity no military
force goes up no no police helicopters
no nothing no nobody does anything it's
so common you can read about it in the
newspapers you can hear about it on a
television show it's not that exciting
it's like you were talking about the 18
wheel rig you know it was an 18-wheel
rig and there was a 1941 model that
might create some great you know news
but when you when you're in a country
where it's so open now they have had
instances for example in Turkey there
was two instances where commercial
airlines became so close to circular
craft a saucer-shaped craft on landing
that they became dangerous and their
version of the FAA no you know was
really worried about it now that that
did cause some military and commercial
stir well you you did mention Jaime
Missoni and you know what down in Mexico
it also got so common in fact I actually
had a couple of I believe collisions
between UFOs and commercial aircraft but
it got so common in Mexico that
otherwise it was like almost like part
of daily life or something oh yes you
know that occurred after the Eclipse it
was you know like every day and the same
way in Brazil Brazil I've been there at
least 12 times and the it's so common in
Brazil it's the only country I know of
in the world where you can pick up a
tour guide let me tell you where to go
see UFOs do you have any thoughts doctor
on why these other countries are so
frequently visited we had our Phoenix
lights but I mean other than that in
recent years there hasn't been much here
compared to say Turkey or well gee
Mexico and South America
and any thoughts on why well I do I
think that we think that we're not as
visited as much as these other countries
but that's because the cloak of secrecy
is so strong here that when people talk
about it reported or whatever it never
goes anywhere there is a blackout on
this information and this is what we
were trying to do with the citizens
hearing and it's it's my hope now I just
was served on a committee with Senator
Grinnell again for you had James Fox on
for 710 and I was supposed to be in that
film but because of a mix-up something
happened at the last minute I wasn't in
it but just a night before the filming I
was with Senator Grinnell and they are
pushing forward I think this is really
going to happen we're going to get a
hearing before the General Assembly of
the United Nations really I believe so
they've got he's got a very powerful
group in Washington and he's donated a
corporation to the cause which is a
non-profit 501c3 and it looks like he's
got the context and the ability to raise
the money to get this done so it's not
just him it's a congresswoman Carolyn
crow Patrick with several the other
members of the committee that were there
too that are all for getting is done and
you sure there would be the difference
between their opening statements and
their closing statements I mean they
said they were you know open but after
five days of testimony from 9:00 to 5:00
every day listening intently what
everybody had to say they went you know
I'm sure 180 degrees and they came out
and said you know this is not a u.s.
problem this is a situation which is
worldwide so you know we're not going to
get you know
I'm going to get the representation from
Congress but Steve Bassett is still
under the opinion that if we drive and
he's you know fortunately been able to
raise the money outside the country to
do things like this these these events
are tremendous and there's were
tremendously expensive okay
when Lyra said it came back over a very
long period of time and suggested that
perhaps it was some sort of time loop
which is interesting if it were some
sort of time loop then one would imagine
or guess that it might not actually
physically be there and yet it was able
to be photographed vide book both video
and still photographs so a time loop
doctor you think you really think that's
possible it's fascinating well that's
what you know a lot of my material
doesn't come from me because I really
don't consider myself a scientist you
know I do have degrees you know medical
biology and so on right but I'm not a
PhD material specialist you know I don't
have degrees in physics and so on but we
have four nuclear physicists now on the
board of NS research the latest one came
out of the citizens hearing dr. Tom
ballon Oh who had the ability to put up
a formula at the hearing on two giant
television screens a formula for
zero-point energy there it is really we
were looking at the Congress people
we're looking at it everybody was
looking at there it is he says this is a
formula and so you know and these are
the kind of people that I respect their
opinion so someone comes to me and said
perhaps perhaps why you're getting this
around the same time of the year three
years in a row is that these entities
have the ability for time travel now
they they could have been doing this for
a specific reason you know they
obviously know our history they
certainly know a lot about human beings
the anatomy physiology psychology there
seems to be a few things that certain
numbers of races that are
non-terrestrial don't know that they're
still learning about us David Jacobs
with his hybrid program I agree that
they are making hybrids but I
unfortunately don't agree that that's
the only thing that's being accomplished
by the abduction phenomena well you
brought up the name dr. Jacobs so I'm I
really have to ask you there's a great
argument in ufology about whether these
beings are friendly or not friendly
though and dr. Jacobs by and large
believes that they are not friendly at
all I wonder if you buy into that or how
do you feel about it I can't take
science and agree with that opinion
because if they were not friendly why
would we be even here having this
conversation and now one of our nuclear
physicist dr. Robert Koontz is the next
naval physicist and with a background
that's a mile long I didn't send that
along because it's just too much
material and perhaps we can talk about
it another time but he he's one of the
physicists our board and he's made
mathematical calculations based on the
isotopes that are in the implant objects
as to their relationship to the Big Bang
Theory in other words if we take take
the date of the Big Bang he can
calculate a constant which he can use in
a formula
and he figured out mathematically two
things which have been so far not
disputed that the elements that we're
finding in these objects these isotopes
come from one third way across the Milky
Way galaxy from from a civilization
which he says is 80 to a hundred million
years older than we are how are they
able to make that determination it's all
with advanced mathematics that and it
boils down to basically Oh uncle Stan
Freedman can say if you live in New
Jersey you know go to the Bronx to a buy
your bread so if the materials come from
a certain area then you can tell by how
long it took the change from one isotope
to a next element how long it took to
get there and you can figure out the age
of the same civilization that's the best
as I am able to explain it it's much
more complex so again I have to take the
word of a noted world-renowned physicist
okay now with respect to the implants
that have been removed and tested how
many of them have actually shown
isotopes that would lead a person away
from Earth well we've done 16 cases
removed - 17 objects and you are correct
in your summation at the beginning one
of them did have - now in the early days
of research and this is probably what I
was talking about so many years ago the
first test that came from Los Alamos
laboratories at Mexico Tech compared
them to a meteorite samples so we've
gone a long long long way since those
days because science our science has
advanced also we have better machinery
better mechanics
to give you an instance you know your
question relative to to the numbers of
the objects will be removed how many of
them show extraterrestrial properties we
know that most of our showing
extraterrestrial properties but we don't
know look so now we're able to take
advantage of going back to what we have
left of the original objects and looking
at them again to give you an example a
scanning electron microscope which uses
high voltage a killer voltage to put out
an electron beam and then the electron
beam can give us pictures at various
depths through a material object years
ago when we we started doing this let's
say ten thousand kilovolts you were able
to get maybe a hundred thousand times
magnification if you went higher than
that you get with called scattering
which is just a bunch of electrons
bouncing all over the place and we
wouldn't get a decent picture now with
ten thousand kilovolts you can get
magnifications of around five to six
hundred thousand times you up to twenty
to eight thousand kilovolts and you can
get very close to a million
magnification we can get down things now
to looking at one atom and that's one of
the things that we see in these objects
are apertures that are only one atom
wide the next thing that that we've
found I'm kind of getting ahead of the
game here but our carbon nanotubes both
single walled and double walled carbon
hello slow down slow down you're saying
some of these implants contained
contained carbon nanotubes that's
correct
and eight years nine years ago academic
scientific community was arguing whether
a carbon nanotube could even exist
doesn't exist in nature and you can't
make it it can't be done well here they
are
and now our objects you know one of them
when we took it out was 42 years old
right that's exactly right way ahead of
anything we could have done anywhere
near that time that probably even now
yeah you could done Wow black-budget
well we're in a projects in the world
and you wouldn't come up with a carbon
nanotube but these go far far more
complex than what is even talked about
today because you could build a single
wall you know a to but you can also
build a double wall that's what we find
and then let's compare it to those that
don't understand what a carbon now two
visits a carbon atom which is connected
to another carbon atom and it forms a
chain which is in a circle and then you
extend this chain and you get a chain of
carbon nano atoms and this is a carbon
nano too so you can double wall when you
can have twice the thickness but there's
a hole in the center then the hole in
the center can be what we call dope with
other material for example one of the
uses today that they're talking about
medically is to put let's say an
antibiotic or an anti-cancer agent let's
look it that way into a small carbon
nanotube and that's called doping and
then you inject that into a malignant
tumor and the carbon nanotubes have been
releases the antique and cancer drug
directly into the tumor and you don't
destroy the surrounding tissue so
there's lots of applications that are
being talked about today but now we can
make them but we can't make them the
complex way that we find them in these
objects now the other thing is how you
combine a carbon nanotube
into molten metal knowing is it no idea
no one no one else that has any idea
either but here it is folks you know you
look at it you see it you know what do
equipment and these carbon anode
then let's take a wire for example
without any insulation on it and you
take the wire and you wrap two wires
together you know and then you you know
you continue doing this do you have what
a cable and then you throw some
insulation on it and got an insulated
cable so this is what we find with
carbon nanotube technology in these
objects now where did they go they go
with a pattern like a circuitry and we
remember we're looking under an electron
microscope that's looking at this about
750 to eight eight nine hundred fifty
thousand times magnification and they
run into what we call portal rhombic
crystals I know that sounds tremendously
complex but it's not when I had to
explain it's a crystal that's a
rectangle simple rectangle all right
here's a question for you here's a
question for you a doctor do you have
any knowledge of or guesses even how
these various implants interact or
associate with human biology we have we
used to think that they were being
powered by the nervous system is UCLA
now powering small motors to run servos
and artificial prosthetic devices but
now we've kind of changed our opinion
because we know that you can broadcast
energy and if you broadcast energy for
example why use of a scalar wave you can
power these optics remotely so let's
just accept that as a possibility
the next thing reference to your
question of how it's used in the human
body obviously these things we know are
being used to relay information of some
kind of data a data pattern umami how do
we know
that and what for example those who have
had the implants what are they saying
are they saying I hear voices or I have
ideas that I don't recognize as my own
or what oh that's a wonderful question
here I'm gonna bring it home right in
your own backyard
sure we have a radio frequency detector
and we've been able to detect radio
frequencies coming out of these objects
all right
stop right there you're finally into an
area where I sort of know what I'm
talking about what what range of
frequencies are you talking about and
what kind of emitted signal are you
talking about and I unfortunately don't
have the exact figures which goes out to
about a 10 digit number but they're both
in the killer of kilohertz and megahertz
range in the FM band you're talking
about the commercial broadcast FM band
this is a band I was able to not see how
to put this I was able to view a secret
chart with all the frequencies from
every satellite that is circling our
planet put up by every country and the
are in a category of fixed or mobile
deep-space frequencies oh okay but but
when you're talking about the the
frequency emission from the from these
implants I mean we're talking about two
different things here you're talking
about
a list of frequencies from satellites
orbiting earth or whatever and I'm
talking about the implants themselves
apparently transmitting some sort of
signal yeah yes yeah there's both on the
kilohertz and megahertz range as I said
I don't have the readings would be happy
to send them to you what I would
I would hear much enjoy that now wonders
one of the things we don't have and I
know we keep trying to get someone to
donate this to us but we have the radio
frequency detector but we don't have a
radio frequency analyzer so we can't
capture the wave now you're talking
about pretty big money here if y'all
Manila I know the new digital ones are
quite costly but I think we could settle
for an old analog one we're talking four
so if you were to get a donation by
somebody you wouldn't be unhappy about
that not not unhappy at all we would
certainly pass this information right
back to the public where it belongs okay
the other possibility is here and you
got to consider this no matter what
radio wave it happens to be I really
agree with Stan Freedman what he talks
about Cine is being silly effort to
investigate what advanced civilization
especially when we have a physicist is
telling us these are 80 million years
old and we are using radio waves to for
some kind of a communication or data
collection device that's preposterous so
there's either to think one of two
things going on if you look at it
logically either there's a deal made
where the information that's being
broadcast from these objects is being
received here by some earthly source and
they're tapping into the information
that's coming out going somewhere else
it's a piggyback sort of thing or what
we have is a again this is more in your
area than mine so you can probably tell
me scalar wave technology when it comes
into our electromagnetic spectrum or
getting a harmonic that looks like a
radio wave but rarely may not be well
that we that's testable I'm a burrito
and we know that scalar waves are faster
than
speed of what light and then Tom Malone
the physicists in Washington testified
before the committee that this is a way
to communicate in deep space and you
don't have to wait for four years to get
your answer back well I I deal in radio
waves that go at the speed of light or
just a touch below it not with scalar
wave so I don't know a thing about
scalar waves you're saying they're
faster than light that's correct I
didn't know that had been proven oh yes
yeah that's accepted modern technology
tom is not only a theoretical but he's
also a mechanical physicist so the
things that he's investigated he's
already done in the laboratory so when
he comes up with these statements and
it's already been done well I wasn't
aware of it I was aware that quantum
movement has certainly if there is
communication is faster than light
certainly but I don't know about scalar
wave so maybe so anyway you where do we
move from here where would you like to
go from here I know you've got a lot of
material up there well let's see I've
told you some of the things that we
found and the objects that we have
removed with you know more modern
techniques
let's hit on a few other ones some of
the things we understand some of the
things we don't understand and when we
see a carbon nano technology involved
with these orthorhombic crystals we know
that crystals since the beginning of
radio have been a very important device
for the receiving of you know real
frequencies so this is me as it's kind
of advanced crystallography if you want
to put it that way but we also see
objects that we don't understand we see
gold spheres that are about four to
in diameter we don't know what therefore
we find other inclusions of metals that
we don't know what therefore I told you
about the one atom apertures we're not
sure what they do we all know lire if I
if I can let me drag you back to the
question I asked and that that is and
you said it was a good one what do you
know about what these people report
these people who have things in them
are they being told things are are they
aware of some communication that's being
made with them in other words I'm
looking for some clue to what these
things are doing okay I'll let you have
it for the full bag scientifically which
I like to stay with the scientific
approach opinions you know are so but
not all of it has to be I mean if people
are reporting that these things are
controlling them or giving them ideas or
communicating in some way I understand
it's not scientific but I'd love to hear
it okay ballgame number one so why is
the abduction phenomena going on in the
first place we have to go back right
let's do out we know that and I've been
in 42 countries in seven years so it's
relatively the same in the United States
is Brazil or in the Middle Eastern
countries or in Africa it doesn't make
any difference some of the entities that
are seen may be a little bit different
but 99% I would say of all abduction
cases involve the taking of OVA sperm
now who is whoever is taking this thing
that doesn't work for The Cooking
Channel or they're not making omelets
you know so obviously there's you know
you've got to theorize there's some kind
of a genetic experiment going on here
I don't want to hear about sperm in the
cooking channel in the same sentence
sorry about that couldn't resist anyway
so there's some genetic experiment going
on and I think it's an experiment which
I partially agree with David Jacobs I
think the human race is being altered
and I can give you a number of instances
where this might be a factual scenario
that we're witnessing now I remember
years ago if you remember John white we
used to bomb the conference's in
Connecticut yes
he coined the term homo no etiquette and
he said that the human race was
eventually becoming homeowner Atticus I
think that's what the kids for the last
50 or 60 or 70 years are becoming they
know things they know things well
they're right I know so many people have
said this doctor and they're called by
various names but I think it is fair to
suggest that many many children are
currently alive are of a kind of a
different what's right way to say
without aphasia somebody well almost
it's homo sapien becoming homo no
etiquette it's an advanced civilization
and all right all right there's a lot of
examples if you want to look at the
world picture all right doctor hold it
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call sea crane right now they have
operators standing by eight hundred five
two two eight eight and here's what I
have to say just just before I bring you
back on doctor and that is what do you
think a cow believes in other words as a
cow goes through life and is being
raised ultimately to become a hamburger
it probably thinks the world is a pretty
darn friendly place because it's allowed
to graze peacefully in the Sun eating
it's brought food frequently it's
certainly given water and nourishment if
it's a let's give inshaa --tz-- to
recover from whatever is bothering it in
other words the cow is pretreated pretty
darn well right up until the moment that
it gets a hammer on the head or however
it's done and turned into hamburger now
dr. Leir well you know
is that where you were going with the
dr. Jacobs comment
no not really
yeah but there there is an analogy to be
father something to be followed there
yeah maybe maybe they are not friendly
maybe these are not nice gestures well
let's go back to the cow the cow is also
at one time a calf correct yes yes
indeed yes and don't we deal well yes so
a cow is not necessarily going to make
it through a lifetime where he's going
to believe or she is going to be
leisurely grazing in the pasture he
maybe by the time he's a kid oh it's
true but but even then up until that
moment life seems good
well I seems good probably to a chicken
look what we do a fish or let's say a
marine mammal we pull them on your honor
yeah you're making my case doctor and
you're making my case show in other
words that they may or may not be our
friends and you know they they may have
a timescale well okay let's look at how
many millions of years we've been
allowed to graze well again they may
have a timescale that doesn't quite
match up with our clocks well why not
just come here tomorrow well let me put
the question to you well why wait why
wait why wait for a while come today
let's let's do it today I'm all for it
maybe I mean depending on on what they
think you know where we're headed when
they arrive yeah well I'm more afraid of
what we got now here person sent
somewhere from somewhere else well
that's well grounded fear I would say
yeah I know I know not the greatest
thing in the world I know I know
alright so anyway again this question
have you talked to people who have had
the implants and if they had anything
say about the way it is seemingly
apparent you know apparently affecting
their lives or maybe it isn't at all
that's my point
it is okay you're you're eating doctor
you're hitting touch tones once in a
while by mistake excuse me you're
hitting touch tones
you know the tones on your phone by
mistake
no I'm nowhere near that the dial pad
really absolutely not at least six feet
away from O'Donnell extended in court
damn it NSA the matter with those people
all right hear what we have to say
they're capping and everything anyway
anyway back to where we were as to what
is actually being emitted from these
objects
I think it's data and I think the data
is that's where we were heading what
before I made the comment about omelets
but this says if we if we agree that
it's a possibility and and again I want
to say and I've said this over over and
over again all over the world if anybody
gets on the air on anybody's program or
a public place the public forum and
tells you they have all the answers then
my thing is you better put a finger in
each year and run as fast as you can go
oh we know all the answers I don't even
want to talk to you it's impossible to
have all the answers so I'm afraid that
puts people in a specific category that
wouldn't be a good interview on this
show yeah well that's why I kind of like
to stay with the scientific approach
there's things that are theoretical what
you're allowed to do and things that are
not but even things that a theoretical
still have to be proven so we know that
there's data you know there we know
there's a data stream coming out of
these objects and I believe that the
data has to do with the changes in our
DNA that are now occurring on a regular
basis okay so things that you don't
think it's going the other way doc do
you think the data is outgoing and
to monitoring sort of thing not so much
incoming and controlling in any way 100%
because today I've talked to
specification a lady for example in
Brazil that had an object and she was
told by the folks that put it in not to
have it removed and she asked him if it
was a locating device and they just
showed her a bug that they stopped and a
beam of light in midair and we said that
we can track this bug anywhere on this
planet that we need to track it and it
doesn't need a device and then shortly
after that I heard from some of the
leading geneticists that we now know
that all DNA whether it's human or
animal or whatever all DNA contains its
own specific electronic signature so all
you have to do that has be smart enough
to build a device and you can pick out
anybody and the entire planet or
anything so they don't they don't need
them as tracking devices behavior
control behavior control does not need a
device if you've been deductive abducted
and they look into your eye and they
suggest things to you they can block
their memory they understand the neural
network they know how to place things in
their mind they can make you see your
dead relatives or whatever else they
want to see or you they can make you see
them as clowns or whatever so I get it I
get it so it's all outgoing data and it
probably has something to do with
genetics but they're monitoring clearly
monitoring something and absolutely and
again I would ask you what what are they
monitoring and but you wouldn't have
that answer of course you could my
answer is it is the change in the
genetic manipulation that's going on is
that a successful manipulation or is it
not if
we know that DNA gives us an electronic
signature it probably gives off
information according to the DNA strand
oh isn't that interesting isn't that
interesting well one would imagine that
a DNA change is a painfully slow thing
to attempt to monitor unless unless
you're affecting it in some way so
you're suggesting there's an abduction
there's a change made and then they're
monitoring that change with that device
right on the nailhead okay now I wanna I
want to modify that by saying you know
we yeah I've got thousands of abductee
cases and a lot of them see Gray's the
typical you know bumper-sticker
black-eyed Gray's right right a lot of
the things like what we looked at in the
cameras footage by the way so anyway
we've seen these Gray's and we look at
them and we want them all and to one
group because we're not a student us to
know that one set of grades may come
from Zeta Reticuli and another set of
grades may be us you know a hundred
thousand years in the future so we don't
know one from the other we we look at
you know four people skin color from
various countries and to Caucasians they
all look the same
Candela different so we grew from all of
one and to one group
so when you say Gray's I think that's a
misnomer too because there may be Gray's
you know twenty different races of race
visiting here maybe they don't all have
the same procedures that they're doing
maybe it's only a certain group that's
doing abductions maybe Jacob David
Jacobs is a hundred percent on when he
says there's a group that's making
hybrids i I don't argue that at all all
I'm saying is that the situation is so
complex
that the greatest possibility is that
there's a number of things going on at
the same time in relation to they feel
the variant abduction well it what
you've said does make sense in terms of
abduction implant monitoring just
basically what we would do I guess and G
that kind of brings up another subject
there are many people doctor who say
this is all some kind of big cover and
it's our own government that help us
doing these things to us and your
reaction to that is I don't I believe
you know that 63 trillion dollars has
been spent on the black budget
accumulated total I believe that but I
also believe that when that said that
they may be a hundred years ahead of
academic technology I think that could
very well be the case too I think that
maybe we may be flying in space
somewhere around our solar system but I
don't think we've left it so we do have
some advanced technology in fact senator
Gravelle and this year hearing admitted
you know in front of the witnesses and
all the other people that were there on
stron streaming video that we have our
own space fleet now that's well platter
you know admission coming from
government it certainly is yes he
actually said that he believed that was
the case he thinks it could be the case
or that is the case and you says yeah if
you go into the archive and I think it's
still up on the citizens hearing you can
get to the place where he makes that
statement well so do do we have the
abilities to do these things I think to
a certain extent
but you know just like was the day and
the object that went over your head you
know you could say well maybe that was
some secret military thing or maybe it
was from somewhere else but when you
take the Phoenix situation and you have
people reporting that one wingtip is
over one mountain range and the other
wing tip is over another mountain range
right I don't think that's severe
alright there's great argument about
this everywhere I go and that is whether
or not the White House the president
actually has knowledge of
extraterrestrial presence here or
whether this is the kind of thing kept
from presidents or some presidents ah a
wonderful and timely question because I
have my little pointer here on the
website fark.com
and as the folks would click on the OSTP
reports given to President Obama they
will see a surprising document that
answers your questions in its entirety
where is it where is it now I'm the one
saying where is it
I'm in your photographs your pictures is
that were now you rather click OSTP
report which is before that ok show
references images for dark matter come
burgers turkey UFO full image analysis
shows occupants then right below it as
old as GP report ok got it all on it
I've got it you click on that you'll see
it says black vault and then the
executive office of the president Office
of Science Technology Policy and this is
dated March 2 22nd 2011 and you can see
that certain names
been redacted and this is in response to
John Greenwald who now has a huge number
of documents on the black wall he's the
one that procured this for me and the
article is written by a James C : Berger
who was a head of this committee and if
you go down the report and large it
makes it easier to see you'll see that
there's an entire report on me and the
work that we have done with the implants
and how this was done at a time when mr.
Obama was looking for funds for his
national health care plan and for
example it says for adjust the facts UFO
investigators Lear and Mosier Moser is
one of the scientists that was
previously on our board offer compelling
news of 2009 X conference press
conference hard evidence that can be
analytical and results point towards the
nonhuman origin of the devices so it's
the president President Obama is it in
the White House you bet your bottom
dollar alright um dummy me doesn't have
adobe reader loaded so I'm doing that so
he knows exactly what's going on exactly
and if you want me to add a little more
icing to this cake when I arrived the
first day if the citizens hearing I was
met by a senator or congresswoman
Carolyn Cole Patrick who grabbed me by
the sleeve and took me aside and said
there is someone who would that's here
that would like to talk to you for a few
minutes if you have time so I said well
of course she didn't tell me who it was
and I had
my assistant Linda with me and so we
this was at the Press Club so she took
me down to the bottom floor we went a
little restaurant there and as we
noticed when we walked in the door there
were some very large black folk very
well dressed in suits with a curly Q
wire going into their ears talking to
their wrists and we were led around the
corner to kind of a private area where
there was a table set up and who was
sitting at the table but none other than
Minister Louis Farrakhan now Minister
Louis Farrakhan had invited me and
several other guests a few years back to
lecture to be Muslim nation about UFOs
and he's been teaching for years his
following that the UFOs are the wheels
of Ezekiel in the Bible so when we
started giving out the information on
you follow gee course mine was of the
abduction situations and implants I
didn't know what the audience knew who
it what they didn't know but it turned
out they knew just about as much as
someone that was sitting in the audience
of a UFO conference and it was amazing
and he jumped up from the table he was
on the telephone
and I heard him say you'll have to
excuse me I will get back to you soon so
he got up and he came over with a very
friendly greeting and told me how nice
it was for me to be there and for him to
see me again I was very excited about
the whole situation there's totally
unexpected and so on and then he got a
call from the mayor of Chicago and
excused himself and went back to the
table or we went to the hearing well two
days later I found out from an excellent
source that mr. Obama
was in residence at the White House
during the time of the hearing and that
the person that mr. Farrakhan hung up on
to excuse himself to talk to me was
President Obama okay
um does does the White House know yeah
yeah okay I've got a follow-up question
if we assume for the sake of argument
that the the president absolutely knows
or that that all presidents have known
for some time now
what rationale would the people who told
the president about extraterrestrial
president presence
what rationale would they be able to
present to the president and keep that
information from the American people
well again we're talking about
theoretical opinion and it's my
theoretical opinion that the majority of
information on ufology has now passed
from government US government or any of
the other government control and to the
hands of huge giant corporate world
monopolies these are industries and I
found out something also at the hearing
I thought was quite industry interesting
that was the Eisenhower speech where he
warned about the military-industrial
complex of course yes I was I found out
from a very very reliable source
on the committee that that speech was
changed five minutes before Eisenhower
gave it and as ordered it should've read
one it should have read the military
Congressional
military complex mm-hmm no Jerri
congressional military on black right
well it was pretty startling just the
way it was frankly but again let's
pretend I'm President Obama all right
fine you're the one who's told me this
information and I'm saying look here I
want to speak to the American people I
want to tell them the truth what would
you say to me well if I was in a
position to say anything you know
Who am I to tell the president anything
because the only information on this is
so-called need-to-know basis so for the
sake of this conversation doctor you've
got to pretend to be the person who
absolutely has to convince me that this
information cannot be given to the
American people because they're not
ready or whatever I would tell you that
number one that it is not in the
interest of this nation security to give
you this information because of the
advanced nature of
where they don't come any better eight
five five real UFO that's 855 real UFO
or eight five five seven three two five
eight three six so doctor you think that
presidents know about all of this
and they are told something that
prevents them from going on TV and
telling everybody God knows every now
and then a president needs something to
take the American people's minds off of
you know whatever political mess they're
in at the moment right and yet they
don't do it that's correct and I think
you know sometimes I feel sorry for
presidents and other leaders of
countries because they've lost the
control this country is you know our own
country is not functioning now as it was
set up to be as our forefathers I'm sure
I don't have to tell you the
implications of that but you know they
try and do some or maybe very sincere
and doing the job what they're doing but
without the information that they're
just like scientists who say you know I
can't discuss this because I might lose
my job
number two look at the we had one day of
a swarm as to testimony from military
witnesses an entire day at the hearing
in which yes they testified their design
oaths of secrecy and another thing that
our audience might be interested in and
knowing and I didn't know what I learned
as much there as maybe they did but I
found out that they've told us that
these oaths that are taken of secrecy
are not oath to the how organization for
which the individual works with in other
words to say we're in the NS
there's CIA or military intelligence and
they took an oath of secrecy secrecy
that was not an oath that was given to
that particular department but that was
an oath to the Constitution the
Constitution of the United States also
has the right of regrets so that every
single one has the legal right to go
before Congress and say I'm taking it
back I'm taking my word back and I'm
going to tell whoever it is that I want
to tell and there's nothing that can be
done about it takes a lot of guts to do
that
take yep takes a lot of guts but you
know look at the people under now coming
forth lots and lots of military officers
that are still around that have you know
guilty knowledge in there if they're
talking about it so there's also people
who have told things and end up living
in Russia because that's the only option
they have you know there are people who
have told things that aren't living
anywhere another extremely good point
one that we've discussed on this program
any number of times this is something so
big that taking a life or lives over it
it's I guess it's not too hard to
imagine that as a doctor not too hard
you imagine at all when I think of cases
like Stanley Meyer and John Mack and a
few of the others I know I said that the
other day about professor Mac you know
people are you they accept what they're
told
he didn't look the right way boom that's
the end of that and it was just at an
incredibly you know right after the
African thing yeah I just I don't buy it
I don't buy it wasn't poor health he was
in good health too much non suspicion
makes me suspicious have you ever been
in fear for your own life no but that's
just me are I'm getting to be old you
know I am old
I'm getting old too I can hear I can
hear footsteps yeah well what the heck
i'm uh i'm going to go up ways of glory
I did you know one of the other radio
shows one night and I was on a cell
phone talking and I got cut off the air
when I got home I thought my battery
went dead and the phone the - lights
dimmed in the car and I got home Tim the
battery wouldn't take a charge so I took
out the battery and it was fried you
know see this is the kind of thing I'm
talking about I wonder if those sorts of
things are served up as warnings I think
so I think if you stay within the limits
or within the boundaries of what they
think isn't gonna bother the public or
the security of I'm not going to say to
security in the nation huh but the
security of the greedy few let me put it
that way that you may be okay but you
all right I've got another Avenue I want
to go down here very quickly with you
and that is look you just said a few
minutes ago that you had shingles a
couple hours ago your tingles and it
kind of wiped you out financially
now you're a physician you've got to be
one would imagine making a pretty good
living and my question is this what in
the world doctor would cause somebody
like yourself who could have a nice
comfortable life he's a doctor to be
making good money and just enjoying life
and laying back to begin to investigate
extraterrestrial presence on earth and
all of these UFO sightings and in your
case implants and human beings I mean my
gosh doctor that's quite a jump to take
and I'm sure a very costly jump in many
ways it was a cosplay job not not
necessarily because of my illness but
when I got involved in the situation
uh you know there wasn't any money to do
research so I started financing it
myself right and I've dumped a large sum
of money and to trying to find out you
know this kind of information why did I
do it
yes huh that's quite an interesting
question me you know was interested in
Roswell when I was a kid I remember my
father bringing the newspaper and
putting it down on the kitchen table
reading the headline my mother the US
Army a US Army Air Force captures a
flying saucer and then he went on into a
long dissertation about I always told
you honey that you know we're not the
only living intelligence beings in this
vast universe and I said there is a kid
in the kitchen and listen to all this
and it made quite an impression upon me
and then when the headline came out yeah
oh it's not a saucer it's a balloon my
father was a very simple practical
person you know if he considered
yourself a plumber then you better know
which way water went and the other stuff
went to you know if you were a mechanic
for a car then you better know
everything about an engine so I remember
he said to my mother and he was irate
furious do you mean to tell me that the
United States Army Air Force can't tell
the difference between a balloon yes yes
sir that's right okay I I can understand
the profound impact that would have on
you from your father no doubt about it
but when I guess I mean here doctor is
as you I could understand you having
this as a kind of a hobby as a kind of a
thing to occupy you when you're not
professionally engaged however as you
begin a career as a physician to decide
to speak out publicly
that's a pretty big expensive move
that's you're absolutely correct and I
didn't ever expect to to be in that
position I got in this through a set of
synchronicities that just sort of pushed
me on I did the first surgeries as a
joke I thought you know this guy what's
so funny he's calm plants well you got
to remember you know that when I started
doing this even organizations like MOFA
wouldn't accept alien abduction as a
real entity you know thinks flying in
the sky somebody flying them comes from
somewhere else maybe they land once in a
while do this do that Stan Friedman
talks then all of a sudden we started
hearing about Betty and Barney Hill
that's right nice Weaver and you know a
number of the other abduct Travis Walton
etc etc etc cases and then John Mack
appears on the scene and as legitimacy
to a subject there's a Harvard professor
of psychiatry and he's working with this
guy but Hopkins and you know they're
doing hypnosis and you know these things
could be real that's about the time I
got into this and here's a guy comes
along and says I have x-rays of a foot
with alien implants you know I've heard
that I turn around it'll laugh my butt
off all walked away so somebody else
told me to come back oh come on listen
to what he has to say so I did as a
challenge I said well you know if you
take these objects are so unusual won't
you just take them out see what they are
and even look at that I hear you but
even at that doctor you you could have
kept it under wraps publicly you didn't
have to begin speaking out on shows like
mine and other ones you didn't have to
jeopardize your professional career you
could have kept your mouth shut and done
all this quietly yeah correct but you
know again the sacredness as he took
over
I started finding things that I couldn't
understand and I had to talk to people
you know I just found something doing
the surgery have you ever seen anything
like this before no what is it well I
don't know you know how do you get this
show off I didn't get the material off I
don't know it's so hard we can't cut it
through it with a with a scalpel and so
the word started you know getting around
for the people I was asking and it just
began to spread until more people just
start piling up more people started
hearing about it and then if anybody had
told me that I would write a book well
well would I am I gonna write a book on
foot surgery or something else yeah
maybe but to write a book on something
as strange as abduction and implants I
would have told them they were insane
you know yeah so I so people say you
know this is some interesting data maybe
other people would want to know about
this and then I met John White who was a
book agent and and he becomes my agent
and I turn out writing this book and
then after that I started out I didn't
want anybody to know who I was I was dr.
dr. P you know some some guy doing these
weird surgeries and then more and more
and more people got interested until you
know my name ran out there and I finally
said well that's it I've done it now I
stepped over the line
so these the ones are over in syrup any
in for a pound
okay let's go to the phones Evan in
Washington you're on the air with dr. X
yes Roger art this is Ryan from
Washington I actually know karakura I'm
helping him I've helped them research
this case in Turkey oh do you know who
he is
dr. yes I have to thank Ryan for his
kindness and putting this material
together in such a way that I can have
it on
my computer and then use it for example
in the fashion that I sent it to you he
organized a lot of these videos that
gave me information that I didn't have a
very good Ryan
so that is that what you're doing
organizing things for the doctor yeah
basically everything is public
information already and it was basically
broadcast all over the news in Turkey
and basically all that I've done is just
translated it from Turkish English and
tried to just sort of break the news in
the United States of sort of speak and
but I wanted to ask Roger could you go
into more detail about you were standing
on the beach and can you describe what
you saw I mean I think it would be
important for the audience to hear that
you saw entities there you saw occupant
sir yes let's do that that you know it's
one thing to see what a camera saw and
it's an entirely different thing to have
actual eyes on so yeah good idea
yeah the first place as Ryan mentioned
this was not right on the beach it was
kind of an elevated to platform area
where we could walk until Veronica very
large a patio and there were a number of
us there I was certainly not the only
one there and as I mentioned in 2009
there was a whole other camera crew
there with Imus on and so on but we you
know looked at the area the sea was calm
and the moon was very bright and I was
saying to myself you know after we
surveyed the area with binoculars
looking for light contamination and
seeing what the weather was like and no
clouds and so on and the wind was
very shallow breeze not enough to cause
any distortion in the camera although as
I said it was mounted on a tripod and
then so to begin with we began looking
at the moon and so we started focusing
on the moon because the moon was bright
and then when we did this maybe about
200 magnification we saw a bright light
that was just to the left and below the
moon and so the camera operator moved
that the lens over to focus the
viewfinder on that bright light then we
began filming on that object and a
little bit at a time make sure to know
statement focus and there was you know
and so I said look at this look at this
and the dog started barking and a lot of
people came over and they were
astonished whether we were seeing and
looking through the camera and all right
what about the occupants doctor we were
able to get to tight enough on the front
of the on the front of the object that
we can see that there was entities in
these three ports the outside of the
craft was being lit by the moon but
there was light that was coming from the
interior of the craft there was the
lighting this area where these entities
were you can see through the camera that
they all didn't look like the same kind
of entity and you know they were moving
around and they were manipulating
something that we're doing something as
we were watching them all right oh yeah
I can see them and anybody can see them
if you go to the video you you can make
out the occupants of the craft now did
you were you able to with your eyes to
get any more detail you said it was
obvious they weren't the same kind of
entities but can you give us any more
detail than that where's that uh with
with the naked eye looking through the
lens finder in the camera was just about
what you're seeing now if you go to
to full image analysis under show
references you're going to see analysis
of the converters turkey a UFO videos
graphic analysis and it was done by
Mario Belle des Santiago Chile if you
scroll down the page you'll see the
first two pictures you'll see what we
saw basically through the camera was two
entities which you couldn't see really
distinctly now and they and then you go
down this not everybody has a computer a
lot of people listening don't have a
computer what was the basic analysis
basic analysis was that these were some
kind of entities that were manipulating
some kind of machinery and they craft
now there are other photographs or
pictures in the analytical video where
you can see for example the eyes I mean
that's how clear it was through the
camera so all this you hear all yeah I
realize people don't
hello everybody doesn't have a computer
but a lot of people on the road right
now in charge me Amerika interject here
and right you know it might be
disturbing to some people who are not
used to seeing this type of thing and
and people should know that it that it
might be shocking to some people but the
one thing to know about these videos is
that they were given to the turkey
scientific and technology board which is
sponsored by the government and they
tried to debunk it try to debunk it and
had to finally released a two-page
report that concluded that these are not
balloons or not models etc and then also
I've had conversations with Bruce
Maccabee and Bruce Maccabee has said
publicly that to him this is not hoax so
you know everything is pretty much
publicly available now for the public if
you want to see
actual aliens actual creatures now we
finally after all this time actually
have credible photographs not hoaxes
like we've seen in the past and also in
Turkey Roger maybe talk about the
culture in Turkey I mean this was all
over the headline news in Turkey and all
over Europe and everywhere and we didn't
hear a peep about it here in the United
States that's basically the reason why
I've just tried to document it I just
documented what is already publicly
available and just translated it from
Turkish English and I'll get off the
phone and let the next caller command
great show art I'm so glad you do you
speak Turkish no no but it's been quite
a quite a pain art I had to go and use a
translator which is kind of crazy
because these translators like google
translator they don't translate properly
I know so you have to you do know
because of the Philippines but I've had
tried to contact the the original
witnesses and there's there's multiple
people there that seen this thing and
but to them it's no big deal in Turkey
it's just part of their culture they
call them the Djinn you know that they
have these underground bases there and
it's just fascinating so great show
tonight you're probably the first major
show to break this news here in the
United States and it's just important
that people know about it so Brian thank
you from San Diego your guests misspoke
according to the documentary why we fly
2005 it's the military industrial
congressional complex does that sound
right doctor yes it does
yes the military industrial
congressional complex and that's what it
was
before it became the military industrial
complex that's correct okay back to the
phones we go and let's go to Texas and
Jesse hey Roswell I want to be very
clear before I make my comment
my question that none of this is
personal about dr. Leir you've always
been a really good listen over the years
dr. Leir and and I still feel that way
this is more about the credibility of a
few of the things that you said and some
of the folks you brought up because I
really am interested how you feel about
it
it's an interesting topic first of all
you've mentioned Senator Mike Gravel a
lot of times and you've said that he's
got a PAC in Washington an organization
that he's working on this and I just
frankly sorry I just don't think that
Senator Mike Gravel is very credible he
was a senator 30 years ago from Alaska
when he ran for the Democratic
nomination he got 1% of the vote he made
Dennis Kucinich look like Henry Clay and
frankly he you know Senator Mike Gravel
is just not the kind of guy who's going
to make the government or anybody if you
in listen but what really made me wonder
and and I really want your comments on
this is the idea and I'm a conservative
Republican but I don't think President
Obama is stupid enough to talk to lose
fear about UFOs on the phone or by text
message by email by instant message or
anything and I just don't think that
that's a very credible kind of thing and
anybody that would would claim that I
think frankly loses their credibility
instantly and the other thing I was
going to say art is on the Citizen
hearing very interesting stuff you can
look it up at Solem there's videos and
so forth but each of the participants
was paid $20,000 for their participation
so you know you have to ask even though
some of them may be very
well-intentioned or credible or
what-have-you
some of the participants participated
because they were paid and I do think
that calls into question some of the
credibility of it so the question really
dr. Leir is it's not about the other
things that you say which I think are
very interesting and raise a lot of
provoking questions it's more about the
idea that if you're serious or if the
UFO community serious about getting
information from the government or
having a thing at the United Nations why
wouldn't you bring in more credible
people than Louis Farrakhan and Mike
Gravel and some of these other folks
thanks guys okay kind of an interesting
question
and I think colored by personal politics
but nevertheless dr. Leir go ahead
respond well I I don't know whether to
sit here and bust out laughing or what
our caller is focusing in on things that
he knows obviously made it very apparent
absolutely nothing about Senator Mike
Gravel no matter what his popularity
rating or what he did during the time he
was in Congress was the single one
person who was either the hero or the
opposites for releasing the Pentagon
Papers up until the time that Senator
Gravelle did this there was one person
one Congress person at a time that was
allowed in a room with no pad no pencil
no paper no camera no recording devices
and they were able to look at the
Pentagon Papers one on one one at a time
and he didn't think that this was the
proper thing to do so after going
through the rigmarole of arguing with
his colleagues he held a filibuster in
Congress and he read each one of the
single papers and to be congressional
record now that takes guts I I don't
know senator gravel I never met him
before in my life I don't know what his
political views are but I've talked to
him extensively about things that are in
existence today the world the government
the United States government other
governments and he's spot on as far as
the history of this country from where
it started with its founding fathers
he's right on so as far as I'm concerned
he's a very credible information now in
reference to Louis Farrakhan our caller
doesn't know anything about Louis
Farrakhan he's probably never met the
man that if he has I'd be very much
surprised that what he's saying is
has any credibility whatsoever I did
meet with I met him personally before
the hook of the conference that he had
on a Savior's week where I gave
information to the American Muslim
audience that he had there but he has
his own personal experiences as does his
family with UFOs now a lot of people
don't know that it's not public
knowledge and what I found out about his
relationship with the president was not
from him he wouldn't tell me anything
like that that would be absolutely
ridiculous to assume anything like that
that information came to me from his
guards who obviously were some branch of
the Secret Service they you know they
operated with armor-plated armed hover
limousines and they were in constant
contact with the Secret Service that
surrounds the president so I write I
always found Farah Khan to be
intellectually a fascinating individual
absolutely fascinating for whatever
that's worth now to his question about
the payment that went to people for
these conferences that we're talking the
first thing art that they said on the
opening day in a conference is that oh
we are going to get criticized because
we accepted $20,000 for our parents here
at this at this committee meeting now he
says I want you all to consider that
number one will retired Congress people
and we are spending an entire week here
from 7:30 in the morning until late at
night doing press interviews getting
very little sleep and if you add the
$20,000 that we were receiving that it
barely pays for the expenses and the
loss of income
because when they came out and said we
charge you know twenty-five or thirty
thousand dollars for an appearance that
either a Republican conference or a
democratic calm place you know you know
in other words they put that they put it
out to the public first there we're
getting paid for a solid week and more
of God knows how many hours per day and
studying the material besides when I did
my my testimony when I gave my testimony
in order to stay within contain
constraints I handed them at least four
hundred pages of material which they had
to go through the night before so are
you figure how much time they spent hey
twenty grand apiece is not that much
okay well of course to some people it is
Pete in New York you're on the air with
dr. Lior hi yes it's really a great
honor to speak with you tonight and I'm
speaking with another amateur radio
operator also Mike actually I had a
couple of a couple of questions here
first one is to the doctor and kill the
real purpose of all this is and if any
good will ever come out of it that's my
first question
okay the real purpose of all this I
guess to try to get to the truth I I you
know doctor well I think the purpose for
what's going on well I wouldn't call it
altruistic or some entities trying to do
something for the human race I think
that the human race has gotten to the
point where we are initiating things
which reflect elsewhere in our solar
system and somewhere else
now we know that the release of nuclear
energy the way that we've been releasing
is like in the form of a bomb also
releases a magnetic wave which comes off
of this planet and leaves we don't have
the slightest eyes
we're supposed to go or whatever again
getting an awful lot of noise from that
line caller a he's got a good point on a
magnetic wave and that is moving faster
than light there's no question about it
so detectable out there far out there
yes I'll call her do you have something
else part of that question was and does
he feel that any and good will ever
really come to come out of this it
depends on what this turns out to be
doctor what do you think
well I'm both optimistic and pessimistic
at the same time I think that's from
what I see world scale and if you you've
got to look at things all over the world
and you know not listen to the news that
you know you get from the usual channels
earth-based channels the things you're
getting now are representative of the
truth you know you listen to the art
bell show or some of the things that are
on the internet it's the first time in
history where people at least have the
opportunity to hear the truth about
what's going on so we have to look at
the world in its entirety and you said
you look at you see what's going on for
example let us take the Middle East this
all started in one country which was
Egypt and who started this conflict the
conflict were started by people less
than 35 years of age who did it without
a gun they do this by using the social
media it's true answer please read it
spread all over the Middle East and
change is going to take place where is
change it is taking place rapidly I
might add all right to Florida and
Benjamin hi Benjamin
years and the doctors our conversation
about the UFO over Turkey yes and I
Drive a semi-truck and I don't have a
computer sauce wondering if it's after a
week or so that I get home to look at
some of these pictures on the Internet
will it still be there I would say in a
week yes it will still
be there there's a lot of material in
the video that you know we were talking
about listen to me you can see the craft
again and again and again this thing
goes on for I don't know six minutes and
forty some odd seconds and believe me
sir you can see the craft you can see
the occupants or that there are
occupants inside and yes I think in a
week you'll still be able to see it
alright I think you'll also be able to
see it through my website which is alien
scalpel dot-com alien scalpel dot-com
and you can go and look at the
convergence wittich there and also the
analysis and I might mention also art
that on the analytical sections from
Mario that was done in Chile down
towards the bottom of it there is a
drawing that was made by David Chase
from the an abduction case which is very
interesting and he was able to draw the
beings that the abductee saw on the ship
they were mixture of praying mantis and
greys and these the the analysts chose
these because out of a number of
different pictures that he saw these
most resembled the ones that were on the
ship doctor do you have any idea or even
a ballpark guess about how many
different types of alien beings are here
or are frequenting our planet well going
back historically I mean I remember the
assessment that Bob Dean talked about
and he said you know at that time what
was that in the sixties there was what
twelve to fourteen different races so
you know it's it's a guess there must be
a bunch that have visited here
are visiting here or having some kind of
influence and how do we know that
there's a certain number of them that
are just not here all the time you know
we say extraterrestrial it just means
off earth it doesn't mean you know to
tell you exactly where they're from
whether there are another universe
another time that maybe maybe there are
us thousands of years in the future who
have travelled back in time
there's just infinite possibilities of
numbers or how many are and well but we
do know that there's probably a great
number involved in the functioning of
this planet and when you stop and look
at it philosophically how do we really
know I'll ask you that's not if you
don't mind me turning my chair around
the other direction no how do we know
that the things that mankind has done
here is not really being controlled from
elsewhere we don't we absolutely don't
we don't know we don't that's correct it
feels like we're making our own
decisions
doctor but who knows certainly I
wouldn't propose to say I know on South
Carolina I believe Corey yes hello thank
you thank you I got a question um it's
more like a comparison things you know
how we we kind of we're going through
the wild track animals down we put them
on conscious we tagged them you know I
got to compare that to the stories here
about alien abductions almost do you
think we're like animals that are
tracked down and tagged
well in looking at the stats involved I
would say that from my experience that
about 15% of up Ducky's wind up with an
implant and your host you got a you got
a step back way way way back and if what
our scientists are telling us is
anywhere near accurate we're dealing
with a race that's 80 million years old
older than we are how can we have a
conceit how can we have the ego to even
understand the logic that a race that's
that much older than we have it's true
you you said dr. 15% you believe are
implanted after following an abduction
but you know what how do we know that
because what percentage of people who
claim abduction or whatever are examined
carefully in other words I think a lot
number one keep their mouth shut about
it I was abducted oh yeah I'm gonna go
right out and announce that so I think a
lot of them are not examined well I
that's why I think that the Roper bowls
that were done were very conservative
polls because who's gonna come along and
pass out that information I'm just
saying that on the basis I've run
between three and four thousand emails
behind a week and then I have to sift
through or I have help does it fit
through all that material and try and
find out people that I really want to
contact and talk to when you when you
get down to the bare bones of who sends
you an x-ray and who has an object it's
about 15% and that's that's just about
what we do with bears when we want to
find out about their hibernation habits
in the winter and see mammals that we we
put tags on and see where they go and
what they eat and what their predators
are so you know based on human logic
which I say is you know it may not not
be logic that's 80 million years older
than we are but at least based on human
logic that's you know sounds like a
pretty good
all right our number 855 real UFO brings
Jeff in Tennessee hello hey our mega
Roswell's dr. Leir I'm going to kind of
run this down a different Avenue
you know we're collecting data it's on
an honest with those implants and all
that do you think they're trying to keep
an eye on how bad we're destroying our
actual ecosystem without throughout the
world yeah and that's what the hybrids
are set up for to come on and be the
next next go-around
well in my in my view you know I look at
the situation and you know if we're
dealing with intelligences whether
that's much older than we are as I said
I don't think there altruist that are
necessarily here to help the human race
I think that they're here to preserve
the integrity of the universe which we
don't really understand but the things
that they're doing for example the
hybrid program assuming that that's true
at the are building hybrids maybe again
this is just as all it is but we can put
forth the idea that perhaps if all else
fails you know they may have a
collection of the DNA from everything
that's on this earth and plan to
establish beings that will take the
place of almost a peon I can't get that
feeling it's just kind of a instinct
type feeling you know and it's just what
we're doing with our GMOs and plastics
and everything out basically you don't
destroy the DNA code in the human race
well that's just true GMOs are doing
exactly that because when you take DNA
from a spider and you inject it into the
corn seed and then you get hybrid corn
that you feed cattle and the cattle
become
congenitally deformed within three and a
half years and the plant shrinks half
the size and will take up water I mean
you're not doing you're not doing much
good for the human race you know that's
really really bad stuff that's not
looking real good for us if we keep keep
you know hugging our chemist guys you
know or it's not looking good and you
don't know I'm sorry I hit the switch by
mistake and I cut him off doctor you
know you pointed out earlier we're
getting old are you and I with respect
to yourself as a physician and a surgeon
where are the next dr. Leir is coming
from where are the next it seems to me
that the number or pool of PhDs the dr.
max it seems like it's getting smaller
and smaller and I'm not sure I see the
replacements what about you well I think
you're right in regards to what we know
the thing is that's different is maybe
and what we don't know for example years
ago where were the Richard Dolan's who
ever heard of Richard Dolan
so unfortunately or fortunately I still
attend a certain number of UFO
conferences and I sit there and I listen
to young guys who I've never heard of
before and I'm surprised at their
intellect and knowledge jordan maxwell
you know as my agent spent 56 years you
know studying the way this world is put
together and works but he has a lot of
students there's a lot of students
around the world that are talking about
the same subjects and putting this
information out to the public so I don't
think they've gained the the it's not
same but it's it gained a name for
themselves yet right they are you know
authorities you know again you look at
the books you look at the literature
they're still being written
this is being written as you and I
talked on this program when when you're
on the air
oh hi thank you I saw dr. Roger Leir at
a San Francisco Bay Area UFO conference
a few years ago and I did write down the
frequencies that the alien implants
transmitted I don't know if you would
like me to give that information or not
I certainly would I would excuse me art
I wouldn't want that information on the
air if you don't want really yeah really
yeah if he sends them to you and you
know hold it hold it doctor
I sensed earlier when we touched on that
question that you didn't particularly
want to to talk about it then and and
now I'm sure and and so instead of
asking about the specific frequencies
why do you not want it on the air
because there are certain implications
of these frequencies that to some
individuals might cause problems and
okay caller
would you mind then sending them to me I
am art Bell at Art Bell calm no problem
can I mention one other thing real
quickly about our DNA it might be a
quantum antenna and using scalar waves
writing along these frequencies for the
aliens or whoever's receiving them and I
do believe that NASA and City and other
experimental frequencies in that range
are in that range that were mentioned by
dr. Leir without getting into any
specific frequencies I agree with you
100% and I can mention that one of the
companies involved in
scaler 'if the research happens to be
called WOM and San Diego and they have a
full scaler laboratory so really some of
the things you just got through saying
are 100% accurate well thank you very
much I enjoyed listening to your show
mr. bill and I thank you right thank you
very much for the call see now you've
piqued my curiosity I have no fear
I can I just make a quick announcement
before I did I just looked at my watch I
can't believe the times I know it moves
quickly sure you cannot woo yeah there's
a new organization I'm part of which is
cero
international.com and it's a close
encounter research organization and
we're looking at at all aspects of the
UFO phenomena much as MUFON used to do
this is on a basis where all the
research will be turned over as fast as
possible to the public it will be held
and files and some of the other politics
that occurred with some of the other
organizations our president is you want
Smith noted hypnotherapist and training
of Budd Hopkins we're going to have we
have a meeting every other month we're
going to have one and Thousand Oaks
California
and whoever the ninth and our guests for
that evening as author David Weatherly I
don't know if you know where David is
art I do not I do not interesting fellow
who wrote a book on the black-eyed
children strange intruders he's kind of
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him before and he'll be our guest
it's Thousand Oaks for California at the
Thousand Oaks Inn begins at 7:30 p.m. so
those of you listeners out there that
there
in Southern California we'd be happy to
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okay all right again I want to specify
that I've opened Skype I hope it's
working I've got a hundred and seventy
seven recent calls and it has not yet
rung so anybody in the US Canada or
outside the US you're welcome to try
Skype prove to me it's working it's once
again art period bell 51 and there must
be something about it that is not
functional at the moment but I've got it
open and waiting and to California we go
with Larry now you're on the air with
dr. Leir hi hi how are you art art I'm a
longtime listener I live in the Antelope
Valley High Desert I see a lot of things
that work for a larger Aircraft
Corporation for 30 years and now I'm
retired and I've been noticing that
praying mantises have been getting very
large out here in the Antelope Valley I
had one the other day on my hand and it
was making gestures with his hand to me
and smiles not going crazy and I got too
close to it to look to see what it was
trying to say and it was making small
words but I couldn't hear it and then
all of a sudden made it worse smell I
put it back on the wall and it took off
and a lizard went after it the lizard
caught it and it turned around and
killed the lizard two litters fell to
the ground dead it was if you take your
hand and it was as wide as your fingers
just spread apart from the little finger
to some I've never seen one that big
before so you guys talking about praying
mantises as with the greys I highly
believe in the UFOs and I just thought
let's that let you hear that okay thank
you very much the world seems to be made
up of two schools of thought those who
absolutely believe like this last fellow
and those who you know doctor almost
don't believe as a religion I mean
they're they're almost they almost have
a religious fervor about their
non-belief
yes that's true I agree with that but
some of that is extended to other
aspects of human life expressions
especially here in the United States I
always said that people ask me all the
time would we Abel would be able to
handle it no it's the public knew we
were able to handle it or it would be a
panic and my answer that is if a huge
craft you know five football fields and
then lengths huge with landed freeway
let's say in Southern California during
rush hour how would the people react my
answer to that would be they most of
them would be on their cell phones or
some other form of media and they would
be calling Caltrans further state of
California to get the thing moved
because they had to get somewhere or to
the Rams game they wouldn't hear whether
it came from a million miles from let's
face ten light years but it's it you
either have to interrupt you are
normally normal routine of life before
there'd be some kind of panic okay all
right let me try Skype let me see if
we've got somebody see pickle are you
there see pickle is not there okay well
I'm trying I'm getting I'm getting
people calling but I'm for some reason
not connecting so Indiana George you're
on there
but here's goes here goes up I was
wondering what he's talking about the
people in Turkey being used to seeing
that kind of thing do you think that
might be some sort of I don't know
prehistoric memories that might just be
in you know I mean in their DNA or
whatever that gets them used to it and
also here comes another part of that
what about I killed Noah's Ark landed
over there maybe that could have been
them spreading the DNA out or collecting
DNA that was it I just didn't know if
that makes any sense or not but I
thought I get a shot doctor
well I don't think that there's anything
different about the people of Turkey
Brazil or Costa Rica or Russia or
anywhere else I think they're basically
the same DNA as we are it's just that
the government is open and this says the
subject is everywhere you can read it in
the newspaper yes I know I ask you these
sayings and the report had not come out
the University of Istanbul as to whether
this was photoshopped what is your
mother was real or whatever I know I did
a number of television programs and the
arguments were you know they argue in a
public forum you know right to your face
well yeah just because you looked
through the camera I didn't always real
cetera et cetera and then afterwards
that kind of died down and told the
report came out from the university
Instanbul
and then boy we were on TV like crazy
I'm really big shot right all right well
it's my it's my view doctor I've been
dealing with UFO pictures creature
pictures now for years and years and
years and inevitably people complain
about the main - blurry
not taken well went as somebody who went
and grabbed the worst camera they own or
very occasionally - good and when
they're too good then they're always
photoshopped or they've been tampered
with in some manner it can't possibly be
true
because it's too good so once again
folks out there one 8:55 real UFO that's
one eight five five seven three two five
eight three six or Skype if you want to
give it a try I really really am wanting
to play with this and maybe it's maybe
it's not working is what I'm thinking
but give it a try so we know it works
art bell 51 if you can manage to call me
on skype I will absolutely take your
call
Florida brings James hello James Oh
Boswell's art good evening dr. James
like I got two quick questions
and Alice offline one is a few years
back I saw a video where they had an
implant they were trying to remove from
a guy's shoulder or in his neck and
every time they'd get close to it it
would move like you mentioned earlier I
just wanted to tell you doctor that did
that or if you know what happened about
that one and the other one is where did
you see where did you see that corner I
saw that on TV I'm one of them um it was
about aliens or UFOs one of them
specials I had and they showed the
operation it was I said every time they
go to try and remove it you can watch it
and it would move and I was curious
about that you're actually I saw you
actually saw it move yes sir I was on TV
I wanted UFO specials and the other
question is if there is a fleet of
decomp spacecraft does the doctor do you
know was powering that or do you know
where the power source comes from was it
from Roswell or from other aliens
anything in that area that you might
know about and also restless thanks for
calling and in reference to the object
that moved it probably was my case I did
a case of an airline hostess who had an
object in her arm that would move
anywhere within circumference of two and
a half inch circle and before the
surgery was performed I could put my and
this is all videoed I have this every
time I see it makes her hair stand up on
the back of my neck but you can put your
finger next to it and after it got to
know you it seems you could move your
finger and it would follow your finger
anywhere in this two and a half inch
circle Wow when we went to remove it
there was another surgeon and myself it
took four hands
to traffic it wasn't really attached to
any under surfaces of structures the
subcutaneous tissue most of them you
know have to be surgically excised
removed with instrument but this one all
we had to do was trap it and once we
trapped it we just lifted it out and it
was about the size of a very large pea
was yellow in color and it had some
coarse lines running up either side and
it was by valve in other words it opened
from the middle and open and closed like
a clam now please please please I
mentioned this on a television show and
it got shown and I got hundreds of
emails from people who said dr. larceny
removed a clam from a person's arm no it
was not a clamp
I was a bivalve and acted like a clam
but we didn't get too far with the
analysis because most of these objects
are preserved in the serum of the
patient of the host and we put it in
this serum refrigerated and within about
seven days it began to dissolve I still
have the the serum with the material in
it so as soon as we have enough funds
we're going to go back and do some
chemistry on it okay
all right let's try taking a call on I
believe it's Mike
Reagan is that right yes on skype well
bless your heart I closed Skype and open
it back up again and there you were all
right where are you I am in central
California okay get good and close to
the microphone on the computer okay and
go ahead you're on the air yeah my
question was to the doctor and it's it's
kind of a goofy one but I see the lights
on the aircraft number one you wouldn't
think that they would need the lights
and number two that is I can't
remember that was during the Gulf War
why didn't the US aircraft you know
we'll pick that up or be interested ok
now you're doing the lights on UFOs
right
yes Omni on the on the images that the
doctor provided on the side ok yeah I'm
pretty good question doctor those lights
and thank you very much for calling
those lights are indeed interesting and
a lot of people have asked that very
same question why why do you have those
need lights at all in fact it just calls
attention to them of course maybe that's
what they want no but I do have an
answer and it comes from some extensive
conversations with physicists the human
organism particularly you know art that
your cat can see things you can't row
the human organism the eye is only
excited by certain electromagnetic
frequencies and a visual spectrum so
what we perceive as light is mostly not
light it's these are energy fields and
we're seeing different energies and
different colors and this is the same
thing that's true during the abduction
phenomena or someone usually describes a
bluish white light that comes down over
them and they float up in the light it's
not light it's a it's a beam of energy
but because our eye only looks at
certain degrees of the electromagnetic
spectrum we perceive it as light how
many people have looked at the under
surface of triangles and said there's a
light in each corner and a red one in
the middle well I mean I would be a
person like that actually
no okay the one I saw had had lights on
each end of the triangle right and that
is what we perceive as life but it's
probably energy and that means we the
light the light
form no and when this craft was
approaching you know it was probably
moving but when it became stationary
those lights disappeared mm-hmm yep I
noted that Jack on skype you're on the
air thank you where are you I'm in
Seattle Seattle okay excellent yes I've
been working now finally yes oh yes go
ahead jack
I can't hear dr. Leir dr. Leir say
something yes Jack I can hear you can't
hear her at all you don't hear me I just
know that's not good okay go ahead and
pose the question okay is dr. Leir aware
that there's this large hexagonal shaped
vortex at the North Pole of Saturn
rotating on a period of 10 hours and 47
minutes that's supposedly the same
period as some sort of radio emission
from the planet okay I will take that
have you heard of that at all doctor yes
I have in fact had some extensive
conversations with Norman Bertram who
wrote the book ring makers of Saturn
that's one of the features of Saturn
what she was talk to me about also it
involves the beta ring most of the rings
of Saturn continue continuously around
the planet except for the Bay the ring
which starts in one area goes around
meets the same area and then turns
around again and goes backwards and at
that spot there's a rectangular object
so there's some mysteries about Saturn
which undoubtedly go down and ancient
history okay let's try it one more time
on skype Daniel you're on the air with
dr. Leir hello Daniel going once going
twice
gone Daniel is gone okay
let's go over here I think I got the
problem fixed I hope I did Patrick in
Ohio hi how are you today very well
thank you
oh well I had one question earlier but
he answered it and that was I was going
to ask how many how widespread it was
with the implants in the adduct even he
said it was about 15% but I was going to
ask again about hey mention of hybrids
how would that tie-in with the Platinum
children or do you know anything about
that
well the Platinum children is just the
name as I've mentioned before for a new
human which I prefer to call home on the
weather cats but they're called star
children millenium children many names
many names does that have any what I
mean does that have anything to do with
perhaps abductees being taken and the
the OVA being taken from the woman and
the sperm being taken from the man and
those being created and sent back down
to us or yes I think that's exactly the
situation that's going on they are
producing a different kind of human
being which I hope will have a better
consciousness so that they're better
caretakers of the planet and each other
YUM all right thank you very much caller
we are it's great you know where are you
by by the way in Stuttgart Germany
Stuttgart okay excellent well you're on
the air with dr. Leir yeah dr. Leir it's
great to hear from you kept any of the
devices you removed from the patient
he's asking if you kept them doctor we
keep all of them until the very very end
when they are a very tiny piece which is
left over after going through the fires
of research excellent well I just want
to say art that I really appreciate you
back on the arm of Las Vegas transplant
we're in Germany and the Skype line
really works
really does all right thank you so much
my friend and take care bye-bye all
right there you have it all the way from
Germany so it does work it just took a
little work on my end so dr. Leir you
literally eat these things alive in
other words when you get an implant it's
sliced and diced and everybody gets a
little piece that they can experiment
with is that about right
that's right except we have an order
that we do it we first do only exterior
examination for example at one time you
may remember that through I told you it
was covered with a biological membrane
and that resulted in the fact that there
was no rejection or inflammation
reaction by the body I think you
probably recall that now we we realize
that this membrane is not external but
that there is a phase somewhere for lack
of a better term in which the inorganic
material that the implant is made of
becomes biological and again this is
another baffling thing to academic
science well maybe maybe black-budget
science can do it but academic science
doesn't know how I understand all right
let's try Daniel on skype Daniel are you
there
I am here yeah mega Roswell's art I do
have just a couple of quick real real
quick questions for the doctor
concerning that the Turkish UFOs that
were sighted or right scene between 2007
and 2009 did you have any witnesses that
saw those UFOs enter the ocean or
actually make landfall not not that
particular UFO but there is reports from
Turkey Australia New Zealand and many
other different places in the world
including the United States the coast of
California off of Catalina where UFOs
and they call them US owes go into the
water and
we'll come back out break water and do
whatever it is they do a quick question
for you Daniel where are you oh I'm in
Portland Oregon
Portland Oregon all right well thank you
very much for the call and take care and
another Skype call yours Frank from
somewhere
hi Frank where are you hello Frank
going once going twice
yes yeah okay go ahead Frank go ahead
Frank I guess not okay we'll go back
over here to the lines and say hello in
California you're on the air with dr.
Lehrer that would be it
so art I've got a question for you this
is the second time I actually got to
talk to you but I have listened to
pretty much all of your shows and all
your guests give you a lot of
information in regards to UFOs and I
hear about different people that
disappear or die of different
circumstances that everybody thinks is
suspicious right my question for you is
and your guests you guys ever worry
about your own safety hmm
I can answer for myself there have been
a couple of times over the years and I
don't really want to talk a lot about it
but yeah there's been a couple times how
about you doctor yeah there's been a
couple of times where I've been aware
that there are external influences that
may be rather deleterious to my
existence hmm right and probably better
not to talk a whole lot about it
Kentucky brings Debbie without a lot of
time hi Debbie
hey when I was in Indiana
just barely north of Louisville I was
taking care of a sick horse and so I
woke up at 3:00 in the morning and like
oh god I gotta check on her I run out
with very rural a map died and they're
above the tree line about a hundred feet
two white lights with the rent that they
were touching
and silent and that maybe wonder what
the doctor said when they're stationary
you don't see the lights it was floating
thanks Nick
and I looked at it for a couple seconds
and it slowly went to the left and made
a right angle and went from zero to
3,000 or more miles per hour instantly
so fast effect when I turned around to
see where it went it was already gone
and I told my neighbor about it and he
said yeah there's a lot of sightings out
here I think it's because we have an air
beacon and the only people I ever met
that it heard it may have Indiana were
pilots because there's an air beacon
there so what do you think well number
one in reference to the lights I was
only talking about that one case and
come burgers turkey there has been UFOs
that have been seeing better stationary
and you can see lights that are on but
in reference to the UFO and Turkey when
it seemed to have stopped the lights
went out so at least you know as I
mentioned before they're probably not
light since its energy we're seeing and
the energy dissipated earth was turned
off all right dr. Leir you know we're
out of time I'm so sorry
you
