 
-I was so scared.
That's what I
remember, because it
was the first time I'd spoken
about transgender issues,
and I was so new at it.
I remember, in fact, flying
out to Chicago to do the show,
and I was getting more and
more scared the closer we got.
And I remember thinking,
trust your story.
Don't be afraid.
And in some ways, that's--
I mean, that's-- I've kind
of kept on that mantra.
You know, trust your story.
-Trust your story.
JENNY BOYLAN: Yeah.
-Don't be afraid.
JENNY BOYLAN: That's right.
That is a good mantra, for
everybody, no matter what.
So how did going public in such
a public platform as the Oprah
show in 2003 impact your life?
That show was historic-- if
you don't mind my saying--
in its own way, because
until that time,
transgender people in
the media had often
been treated like crazy people.
And people kind of ridiculed
us and made fun of us.
And when I was on your show,
I was treated with respect
and with dignity, and I think it
was a culture changing moment.
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