[ APPLAUSE ]
>>> WE'RE BACK, NOW, WITH DENNIS
RODMAN, WHO HAS BEEN IN THE 
HEADLINES AFTER THE SUMMIT WITH 
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND KIM 
JONG-UN.
HE'S BEEN PUSHING WITH A MEETING
LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN FOR YEARS.
SOME THOUGHT HE WAS CRAZY.
BUT NOW, THINGS ARE LOOKING VERY
DIFFERENT.
YOU MADE CLEAR THAT PRESIDENT 
OBAMA -- YOU TRIED TO REACH OUT 
TO HIM AND HE WAS LIKE, TALK TO 
THE HAND.
YOU'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR A BETTER
RELATIONSHIP WITH NORTH KOREA 
ALL THESE YEARS.
HOW DOES IT HAPPEN?
HOW DOES IT HAPPEN THAT YOU GO 
FROM BEING ARRESTED 70 TIMES IN 
YOUR LIFE TO INTERNATIONAL 
DIPLOMAT?
>> I HAVE NO CLUE.
I HAVE NO CLUE.
OF ALL PEOPLE, ALL PEOPLE, THIS 
GUY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY, VERY -- I'M
VERY FORTUNATE, THE FACT THAT 
I'M IN THAT POSITION TO DO THAT.
PEOPLE DIDN'T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY 
IN THE BEGINNING.
I DIDN'T GO OVER THERE TO CURATE
THIS WHOLE BOND WITH NORTH 
KOREA, YOU KNOW, FOR MY OWN 
PERSONAL BENEFITS.
I WENT OVER THERE BECAUSE I 
WANTED TO CONNECT NORTH KOREA 
WITH SPORTS IN AMERICA.
THAT WAS MY WHOLE PURPOSE.
WHEN I WENT OVER THERE TO BRING 
THE GAME OVER TO NORTH KOREA, 
AND, WHEN I SUNG THE BIRTHDAY 
SONG TO HIM, PEOPLE LOOKED AT ME
LIKE I WAS CRAZY.
>> PEOPLE CALLED YOU A TRAITOR.
>> PEOPLE CALLED ME A TRAITOR.
I MADE SOME COMMENTS WHEN I CAME
BACK.
THAT WAS INSANE.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIVES OVER 
HERE AND DON'T NECESSARILY PAY 
THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO WHAT KIM 
JONG-UN HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF.
HERE'S A FEW HIGHLIGHTS.
ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE FOR 
NATIONAL SECURITY STRATEGY, IN 
HIS FIRST SIX YEARS AS LEADER, 
HE ORDERED THE EXECUTIONS OF 340
PEOPLE.
IN 2016, KIM JONG GIN WAS KILLED
IN FRONT OF A FIRING SQUAD, 
AFTER SHOWING DISRESPECTFUL 
POSTURE IN A MEETING.
A GENERAL FELL ASLEEP IN A 
MEETING.
HE WAS EXECUTED WITH AN 
ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUN.
KIM JONG-UN'S ESTRANGED BROTHER 
WAS KILLED BY CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
THEY SAY KIM JONG-UN IS GUILTY 
OF EXTERMINATION, MURDER, FORCED
ABORTIONS, KNOWINGLY CAUSING 
PROLONGED STARVATION, AND SO ON,
ALL ACCORDING TO A U.N. REPORT 
ON NORTH KOREA.
FOR CONTEXT, THAT'S A GUY YOU'RE
CALLING A GREAT GUY.
>> ARE YOU DONE?
ARE YOU DONE?
>> HOW DOES THAT SIT WITH YOU, 
DENNIS?
HOW DOES THAT SIT WITH YOU?
>> I WAS BLIND WHEN I WENT OVER 
THE FIRST TIME.
I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
AND UNTIL THIS DAY, I STILL 
DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
>> YOU KNOW BECAUSE I JUST TOLD 
YOU.
YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU WENT OVER 
THERE.
>> I'M TRYING TO CONVEY TO 
PEOPLE THAT THAT WASN'T MY JOB 
TO FIGURE OUT ALL THAT.
THAT WASN'T MY JOB.
MY JOB IS TO TRY TO BRING SPORTS
AND OPEN THE COMMUNICATION.
>> YOU CALL HIM A GREAT GUY.
>> TO ME.
I DIDN'T SAY TO THE WORLD.
>> HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT SAYING,
HITLER HAS BEEN NICE TO ME.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BACK ME 
INTO A CORNER.
I'VE DONE THAT.
I'VE TOOK MY LUMPS.
I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THEM 
ANYMORE.
I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A GREAT 
GUY.
HE WAS GOOD TO ME.
ESPECIALLY THE FACT, ALL THE 
THINGS YOU SAID RIGHT THERE, I 
HAVE NO CLUE.
I NEVER SEEN THAT.
NO ONE'S EVER SEEN IT ON TV.
IT'S ALL HEARSAY.
>> WE SAW THE BROTHER GET 
ATTACKED.
DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THOSE THINGS?
>> I HAVE NO CLUE.
>> YOU HAVE A CLUE.
YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE UNITED 
NATIONS?
YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE NATIONAL 
INTELLIGENCE SERVICE, WHO GAVE 
US THE FIRST REPORT?
>> YOU KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE IN?
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT DAMN MIND 
WOULD IMAGINE -- PAY 
ATTENTION -- IMAGINE IN 
SINGAPORE, THEY WOULD BE SHAKING
HANDS.
AND HE DID ALL THAT.
WHO IN THE HELL WOULD IMAGINE 
THAT?
YOU TELL ME THAT.
EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.
WHO WOULD HAVE IMAGINED HIM, 
DONALD TRUMP SAID ONE THING.
THIS IS WHAT HE SAID, BEFORE 
ANYTHING HAPPENED HE SAID, YOU 
KNOW HOW HE TALKS.
YOU CAN TELL IN FIVE SECONDS THE
FACT THAT IF YOU LIKE A PERSON.
AND HE'S, I'M GOING TO TELL IN 
ONE MINUTE IF I LIKE HIM OR NOT.
REMEMBER WHEN HE SAID THAT?
IT TOOK HIM SIX HOURS TO FIGURE 
THAT OUT.
AND THEY COME BACK AND SAID, 
THIS GUY IS GOING TO GET ALONG 
VERY WELL.
>> OH, BOY.
>> HE SAID IT.
THAT'S THE SAME THING I'M 
SAYING.
OUR PRESIDENT BELIEVES HE WAS 
SAYING THIS IN THE '90s ABOUT 
NORTH KOREA.
HE SAID, WHY ARE WE DOING 
CERTAIN THINGS IN THE '90s.
HE'S COMING BACK AND SAYING, 
GUESS WHAT?
HE'S GOING TO GIVE AN EFFORT TO 
SEE IF THIS IS REAL.
>> YOUR POINT IS, WE WANT TO 
AVOID NUCLEAR WAR WITH THIS 
COUNTRY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> IT MAY REQUIRE US TO OVERLOOK
CERTAIN HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES.
THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE 
>>> WE'RE BACK, NOW, WITH DENNIS
RODMAN.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE 
SUMMIT THAT HAPPENED.
DID YOU HAVE ANY ROLE IN SETTING
THAT UP?
>> NOT REALLY.
>> NOT ON EITHER END?
>> NOT REALLY.
IT JUST HAPPENED.
>> DID YOU SPEAK WITH THE TRUMP 
WHITE HOUSE AT ALL PRIOR TO IT?
>> NO.
>> DID YOU SPEAK WITH THEM 
AFTER?
>> I DIDN'T SPEAK TO ANYBODY.
>> DID YOU SPEAK TO KIM JONG-UN 
ABOUT IT?
>> NOTHING.
I HEARD THE SUMMIT WAS ACTUALLY 
HAPPENING IN SINGAPORE, MY 
SPONSOR SAID, DENNIS, DO YOU 
WANT TO GO?
AND I SAID, YEP, I WANT TO GO.
HE BOOKED A TICKET.
BUT IT'S FUNNY ABOUT POPCORN, 
WHEN TRUMP SAID THE SUMMIT WAS 
OFF.
MY SPONSOR AND KIND OF, THEY 
OFFERED TO PAY FOR KIM JONG-UN, 
HIS WHOLE REGIME, TO GO TO 
SINGAPORE.
THEY OFFERED, TO PAY THE WHOLE 
THING.
PRIVATE PLANES, EVERYTHING.
>> HE HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO FUND 
THAT TRIP HIMSELF, DOES HE NOT?
>> IT WASN'T ABOUT THAT?
>> OKAY.
THE SUMMIT HAPPENS, YOU GO TO 
SINGAPORE BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO 
BE THERE.
>> I WANTED TO BE THERE.
>> IS IT TRUE THAT SARAH 
HUCKABEE SANDERS CALLED YOU 
AFTER THE SUMMIT TOOK PLACE?
>> ROLL THE TAPE.
>> HE FILMED IT.
>> I FILMED IT.
IT WAS MORE LIKE, WOW.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE IT BECAUSE
BECAUSE --
>> WERE YOU SURPRISED TO HEAR 
FROM HER?
>> I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO 
TELL ME, DENNIS, LEAVE.
>> LEAVE SINGAPORE?
>> YEAH.
>> DID YOU KNOW WHO SHE WAS?
>> I DIDN'T KNOW WHO SHE WAS 
BECAUSE I KEPT CALLING HER 
HONEY.
OKAY, HONEY, WHAT'S UP?
>> SHE SAID THE PRESIDENT WAS 
GRATEFUL?
>> VERY GRATEFUL.
>> HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH ANYONE 
FROM THE WHITE HOUSE SINCE THEN?
>> PRETTY SURE I WOULD BE.
>> THINK YOU'RE GOING TO THE 
WHITE HOUSE?
>> I SHOULD.
I'VE BEEN THERE FIVE TIMES.
>> DO YOU HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE
THEY'RE GOING TO INVITE YOU?
>> I HOPE. 
>> YOU HOPE.
HOW ABOUT KIM JONG-UN?
HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO HIM AFTER THE
SUMMIT?
>> I WILL BE GOING BACK.
I WILL BE SEEING HIM.
>> DID THEY CALL YOU AT ALL?
>> WE SPOKE TO PEOPLE IN 
NEW YORK.
SOME OF THE DIPLOMATS THERE ARE 
GRACIOUS, THE FACT THAT I'M 
STAYING HUMBLE.
THEY'RE PLEASED THAT I AM TRUE 
TO MY WORD THAT THEY WOULDN'T 
BASH THEM OR SHOW DISLIKE OF 
WHAT THE COUNTRY'S ABOUT.
I FIGURE, YOU KNOW, IN GOOD 
FAITH TO THEM.
THEY SHOWED ME GOOD FAITH.
>> WHEN YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO KIM
JONG-UN, DO YOU TEXT HIM?
DO YOU HAVE HIS CELL PHONE 
NUMBER?
HOW DO YOU CONTACT HIM?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW.
WE GO THROUGH THE NEW YORK 
OFFICE HERE.
THEN, THEY ASK FOR US.
>> HE HAS PEOPLE.
>> HE IS TIGHT WITH YOU, HE MADE
YOU A PROMISE AT ONE POINT.
WHAT WAS IT?
>> HE FELT SO, SO LOVED, THE 
FACT THAT I GAVE HIM THAT 
BASKETBALL GAME.
AND HE SAID, NO ONE HAS DONE 
THIS FOR MY COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY 
OUT OF THEIR HEART.
THEY WANTED SOMETHING FROM US.
FOR YOU, I PROMISE YOU ONE 
THING.
NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THE
WORLD, NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE 
AT, WE LOVE YOU.
WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY.
AND HE --
>> YOU THINK THAT'S SWEET?
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A THREAT TO 
EXEMPT YOU HAVE NUCLEAR WAR?
I'M GOING TO BLOW YOUR COUNTRY 
THE TO SMITHEREENS BUT YOU STAY 
IN NEW JERSEY?
>> NO.
IT'S FUNNELNY, THE FACT, THAT 
WHEN THEY SAID THAT NORTH KOREA 
SHOT A MISSILE OVER GUAM, AND 
FOR SOME REASON, THE PEOPLE IN 
GUAM CALLED MY OFFICE AND SAID, 
CAN DENNIS COME TO GUAM?
>> OH, MY GOD.
COME ON.
>> THIS IS A TRUE STORY.
MY GUYS WILL TELL YOU THAT.
I SAID, OKAY.
WE FLEW TO GUAM.
WHEN I GOT OFF THE PLANE, 
THEY'RE LIKE, THANK YOU, THANK 
YOU.
WE'RE SAFE.
WAIT A MINUTE.
HOLD ON.
IT'S LIKE, WHOA.
>> WE GOT
[ APPLAUSE ]
>>> WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH 
DENNIS RODMAN FOR NEARLY THE 
ENTIRE SHOW, ABOUT HIS 
RELATIONSHIP WITH NORTH KOREAN 
LEADER KIM JONG-UN.
CAN I ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION 
ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES.
>> ONE MORE?
>> I THINK OF OTTO WARMBIER'S 
FAMILY AND WHAT HAPPENED OVER 
THERE.
HE PULLED DOWN A POSTER AND WAS 
SENTENCED TO DEATH, PRETTY MUCH.
CAN'T YOU SAY THESE THINGS HAVE 
HAPPENED, CAN YOU MAKE THEM 
STOP?
IF YOU JUST INHERITED THIS 
REGI
REGIME, CAN'T YOU DO BETTER?
>> THAT'S NOT MY JOB TITLE.
IF I WENT THAT DIRECTION, HE 
WOULD LOSE FAITH IN ME, AS FAR 
AS BEING A FRIEND.
>> YOU KEEP IT SOCIAL.
>> I TRY TO KEEP IT SOCIAL LIKE 
THAT.
THOSE THINGS ARE FOR THE WHITE 
HOUSE, FOR PEOPLE THAT'S EXPERTS
AT THAT.
I CAN'T GO AND BE A DIPLOMAT.
I CAN BE ALL THESE THINGS.
>> YOU'RE IN ANOTHER LANE.
I WONDER HOW LIFE HAS CHANGED 
FOR YOU.
SINCE THE SUMMIT.
>> IT CHANGED A LOT.
>> AND I THINK ABOUT, DENNIS, 
YOU NOT HAVING YOUR DAD.
>> OH, YEAH.
WHAT ABOUT IT?
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK HE WOULD 
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND
WHO YOU ARE TODAY?
>> WHAT DOES HE THINK ABOUT IT?
HE HAS 29 KIDS, 17 WIVES.
YOU HAVE YOUR PHONES OUT THERE, 
RIGHT?
HIS NAME IS PHILANDER RODMAN.
LOOK IT UP.
>> YOU DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR DAD 
THINKS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER?
>> I DON'T HATE THE GUY.
>> HOW DO YOU FEEL?
YOUR KIDS MUST LOOK AT YOU AND 
SAY, WOW.
>> THEY LOOK AT ME WITH -- 
>> WE'RE GOING TO BLEEP THAT, 
TOO.
>> BLEEP THAT.
THEY'RE SCHOOLKIDS.
MY DAUGHTER IS 17.
SHE'S TRYING FOR THE WORLD CUP 
THIS SUMMER.
>> WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
>> I DO A LOT OF STUFF.
NICK'S SHOW, SYLVESTER STALLONE.
I GOT PARTNERED UP WITH A 
COMPANY CALLED ANYTICKETS.COM.
>> WHAT'S IN THE BAG?
>> WHAT'S IN THE BAG?
>> YEAH.
WE HAVE TO GO.
THIS IS THE MOMENT OF TRUTH.
>> FIRST-EVER BALL OF ME, KIM 
JONG-UN AND DONALD TRUMP.
>> NO WAY.
>> NO WAY.
>> OMG.
