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why? Why is this even bothering me? I mean,
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Speaker 0 (5m 33s): Chad Johnson. You know,
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Speaker 0 (5m 59s): And again, I know, I know
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Appreciate you calling into the show again.
Good evening, Jen, how are we doing? Yes,
Speaker 2 (8m 48s): That's the way you're
going to bring this man onto the show. After
last time he stepped to the plate and smashes
a grand slam over the left fence. And
Speaker 0 (8m 57s): Just for people who maybe
they miss the first podcast, walk people through
your predictions last time, what you got,
right. Just take a moment to hype yourself
up.
Speaker 3 (9m 8s): Well, yeah, it went okay.
Didn't it I'll be honest. I did actually consider
whether or not I should just walk into the
sunset in 20 years time, you could still be
talking to them about that bloke with a silly
accent to give the trifecta in the Belmont,
or I could risk ruining my reputation by turning
it up again. But no, it went perfectly. Last
time we got the trifecta up, TIS the law did
the business and the other two that we gave
out cheers to tomb. Yeah, it was all very
exciting. So hopefully we can get a similar
result this week.
Shooters shoot,
Speaker 0 (9m 40s): Sean, and you can't make
it if you're not taking shots. So we appreciate
you coming back because a streak of one is
just that a streak of war, every streak begins
with a trifecta hit. And that's what I like
to say. I love, I love reading Malcolm's articles.
And of course that's where I start. When I'm
trying to wrap my head around who to pick
and probably copy a bunch of his plays here,
but it's so great. He throws in these and
just very non-American expressions. And I'm
really enjoying when he was talking about
some of the long shots.
He has a quote in there, quote, there's not
much, there's not much here. That blows my
skirt up. Oh, it's, it's a great expression
that I, you know, when Kramer throws out a
three team tease, I'm just going to say that
doesn't blow my skirt up. I liked that the
American people do not do a great job of utilizing
the English English language. I'll say that.
No. Yeah. I mean, when you read Malcolm stuff,
you're like, okay, this is a language. I fancy
it. So Malcolm let's let's let's just talk
about the track a little bit. Of course, it's
kind of weird now that it's re the race is
being done in August, you know?
Cause everything timber. Oh, sorry, September
again. Everyone's time is completely off,
but what is different now about the, about
the track being raised in September and, and
any sort of major changes we should know about
before we talk horses?
Speaker 3 (10m 60s): Yeah. Well, everything's
still out of kilter. Obviously. The Reyes
is the second leg of the triple crown where
it's traditionally the first is it the first
Saturday in may? I think generally everything's
out of whack. The Belmont went first. We've
then got the Ken took E Darby on Saturday
and the Preakness is next month. It's not
as long a weird, this was about each of your
days between the first two races. And the
Preakness is quite soon, early October, but
nothing about the truck or anything, really
the horses should be a little bit further
forward may for three year olds is quite early
in their season.
So they should know a little bit more. Now
it's September. Although they haven't been
able to get that many prep runs into them.
But now they've all, they've all had time
for at least a prep room. So they'll know
a little bit more, they'll be a little bit
further forward if anything, so a little bit
more experienced, which should mean it's a
less of a less chance of a shock early in
mere, you get some unexposed sources who will
improve when now September, we tend to know
what they're all about. So we should still
be looking towards the head of the market.
But yeah, it's the same. It's a it's back
to Ireland to the Belmont trip, hard change.
The, the shortened that race. This is back
to Ireland to the standard distance. So apart
from the lack of a crowd, it's a pretty, it's
a standard Darby. So not, not what's different
new excuses.
Speaker 0 (12m 26s): The beauty of the Kentucky
Derby is always that there's so many horses.
So there's at least the illusion of being
able to pick a winner down the list a little
bit, like say, Oh, I'll have another perhaps
country hat was country, house time, tree
house. Yeah, I know you like to tout when
Sean, so last year I had country house winning.
And of course it was that that review was
10 of the longest minutes of my life. Cause
they country house came in second. And then
there was that penalty and the ended up wanting
to race this year different because we have
LeBron James last year,
Speaker 3 (12m 60s): That was horrible. You
donated that money to charity cheap.
Speaker 0 (13m 5s): I know it felt a little
dirty, but I still, I still celebrate. It.
Went out, had a nice steak dinner. Sean has
done nothing but tout that victory he's done.
No donating of anything to charity. Charity
is giving away these free picks, having my
charities, having Malcolm, come on and let
the listeners here is his locks and give it
away the free cash that way. What, as far
as the Kentucky Derby and long shots in, and
of course last year country house certainly
got a break with that. The penalty that ended
up disqualifying, the actual winner there.
What do you look for? Or is there a kind of
a common thread for horses that do pull off
an upset in the Kentucky Derby? Something
we should be looking for? If we're looking
to take a long shot?
Speaker 3 (13m 47s): Well, I've got a couple
of little stats, a couple of trends that sort
of jumbo in it. Hasn't been great for long
shots. Obviously you've had that one last
year. Was it 61? But before that you've had
six consecutive favorites had gone in between
2013 and 2018, which is a hell of a lot of
in any race. You don't often see six favorites
in a rule going. So I think with it being
an earlier in the year, generally in me, that's
when we talked on the last part about a horse
going from its two year old gear to which
three year old year.
So that's what you'll get an unexposed horse.
That's come on over the winter, gets a little
bit of soon on its back in the spring and
it's ready to go and can and can come on leaps
and bounds from the end of its two year old
season, early in the spring now because we're
in the autumn, the also is they're not exposed
because they're still already three and learning
the job, but we know a little bit more about
them. And I don't think you're going to get
a leap of a form that you can't do over you
when you put a horse away in September, October,
November of one year, and then bring it back
out in me the next year they can, they can
make a huge leap forward.
Some of them do the thing you mentioned before
about being in a full field, a big field.
This is unusual for American reason. 18 runners
go to post on Saturday, and now we get that
in England all the time, but you don't often
see, you rarely see more than maybe 10, 12
runners in us reason. And some horses respond
to that or just like being around other horses,
being amongst other horses. And you can often
get a long shot who sometimes it's running
in between with five, six, seven of the horses
and doesn't get the bows surrounded by the
third and blunder of 17 other horses.
And the horse will respond to that. And alongside
might just pick up the bit and say, yeah,
I fancy this and go for it. So that's
Speaker 0 (15m 50s): Maybe there's a Nick
foals type horse out there when the chips
are stacked against the giant. Well, yeah,
and literally a, a horse dong, but you know,
like that, he's when he sees everyone else
going forward, this long shot, you know, it
gets it in his head like, alright, L we're
racing, okay, I'm going to go for it. And
maybe
Speaker 3 (16m 9s): There's no reference.
I have no statistics on the size of any of
the holes is penises.
Speaker 0 (16m 15s): Well, long c**k. Don't
worry. I do. Yeah, that's right. All right.
We'll take care of that in the next chapter,
but, and that's interesting that he's talking
about that, that leap. And basically some
of these horses were able to surprise that
the Derby cause of that leap and, and we,
we saw that. We see that all the time with
NFL quarterbacks in that one to two year leap,
we saw it with kind of Lamar Jackson making
that leap coming out of nowhere. And now that
they're in autumn, he's, Malcolm's pointing
out that like, well, you kind of see what
these horses are.
And so it's even going to be harder to have
a horse sneak up on ya. And he's kind of surprised
Speaker 3 (16m 54s): 13 fixtures other than
week one NFL where you everyone's pregnant
with the possibility of what might happen.
This is, this is week 13 and renewal what's
happening.
Speaker 0 (17m 7s): Certainly. All right.
So let's get to it. Let's talk the horses.
It seems like you're all in on TIS the law,
even though TIS the laws is a huge favor right
now it's shot.
Speaker 3 (17m 19s): No, we had this conversation
last time. What are tangible? I didn't want
to tip the favor. It's a bit boring, but we
watched the reest last time and it was very,
very impressive. Wasn't it it's been just
as impressive since it came out. And one of
the Travers, just to really just to shake
the rust off and make sure that it was prepped
for Saturday's race, but the thoughts just
look so straightforward. And that's quite
a rare thing because the horses, they're not
machines, they're not robots.
They're not even people. So they can't tell
you how the thinking or feeling. So there's
always that question Mark, about an animal.
This thing looks like a robot. Like it's,
it's got such an easy style of running. It
doesn't need seven or eight things to go right.
For it to win. It just needs to break out
stalk the piece. And when money frankly, presses
the button, the horse scores and does the
rest it's, he could steer it. We could win
on this Eric and our Goodwin on this one side.
Speaker 2 (18m 18s): So you're saying if you
were on TIS the law, you would still pick
TIS law. And it seems there's a lot of, it
seems like there's a lot of people out there
that are like, well, wait a second honor,
AP didn't run against tos, the law and the
Belmont. He's sitting there at five to one,
perhaps that is the horse that is allowing
us to get great value on TIS the Lord only
three to five, because why isn't this horse
a bigger favorite? This is LeBron f*****g
James. Yeah. All right. We have, we don't
see horses like this all the time. And I think
like Malcolm just pointed out that this horse
can do things wrong and still win this race.
Don't don't get cute, like Charles Barkley
and take the blazers to win in round one,
realize that TIS the law is gonna win. And
it's more about what you can pair with TIS
the law in that trifecta, in that try Bach
the angle against his, the law, simply the
position I think you would say, but all of
the favorites are all out there. So they're
all going to have to travel that extra distance.
I just, you know, I took a future on TIS the
law, winning the Kentucky dirt, like way back
right after the Belmont. And you can get even
money on it.
It's now it's now slightly more expensive
than even money, but still value. Sean, I'm
going to risk it all. I've been telling you
about this secret horse account. I have, it's
all going on, TIS the law this weekend. What
could possibly go wrong? So
Speaker 3 (19m 35s): Eat even money's like,
that's like finding money in the streets is
the law. That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (19m 40s): Well, and now it becomes
the exercise of like, of course I'm not only
going to bet on one guy, where is my try box
come, where am I harvesting this long shot
to juice up my tri box to get? Or, or, you
know, maybe a superfecta here and there. Well,
okay. So right now it's his law four to six.
He's the guy that you want to put in there
and then kind of pair around it. Kramer briefly
mentioned the, the pole position for TIS.
The law is 17 and the 17 position, a horse
has never won the Kentucky Derby.
According to the, your article here, what
are you worried at all that the pole position
or where he's starting, is going to impact
his race?
Speaker 3 (20m 20s): Well, I was, when I fell,
I saw the draw on,
Speaker 2 (20m 25s): I saw the tour maybe
Tuesday
Speaker 3 (20m 27s): And instantly became
concerned. Now, if, if we got to 18 run, I
race in this country around two tunes and
something was drawn out there. You'd just
put a line through it. You give it, give it
no chance. And I thought that was a real concern.
And then I had a little look at the drawers
of the other horses and they're the history
of, okay, so 17 has never won, but, but going
back to 2008, the winners have come from stalled,
their country house with 20 last year, you
got a 13 before that American Pharaoh, if
you remember that talking horse, that was
18.
Orb came from 16 animal kingdom came from
16, big Brown came from 20. So that's been
the place to be. So, and that kind of baffled
me a little bit that flew in the face of everything
I understood to be right and proper in horse
racing. And then if you look at the, the other
horses are out there as well. So there's already
three horses with single figure odds. You've
got this, the law honorary, a P Shaun, which
you mentioned at fives in authentic eights,
they're drawn 16, 17, 18.
And then the next one we've put up in our
article and why traffic is John 15. So they're
all out there. So I think, do you know the
old flock of geese formation? I can see them
coming down. They've got to get out and get,
it's almost a separate race through those
four on the outside. I've got to come out,
get down that street and then just ease the
way across. I think what will help TIS the
law is the honorary opinion authentic, want
to get to the front? Which just means they'll
just tool. Is the law in behind.
Yeah. They just hitch himself to the back
of them and they do all the work. Then they're
doing office work for him so he can Slingshot
him. He can shake and big off the old of the
third bend and he'll be gone. So I was, I
was really concerned about it, but that was
from an Englishman point of view, within five
minutes of having to look at it, those concerns
just melted away. Like, and I thought we were
home and horse again.
Speaker 0 (22m 29s): Well, yeah. And we haven't
seen the fly in V I think since Gordon Bombay
in the mighty ducks, there you go. You know,
who's, who's on the end of that, that V and
he's a guy you kind of touched on a little
bit in your article. This is, this is a one
again. I liked his, the law for sure. Can
I have some money on him? But I also like
as a long shot and I got a bed, a little long
shot, I'm going to do a little on N traffic
right now. My bookie has NYT traffic, 25 to
one. And you even hit on it in your article
that he, he looks incredibly genuine.
He's not one of those phony horses. And I
like to watch, you know, when I go to Santa
Anita show and I watched the horses do that
lap around the paddock, I want to see what's
their attitude like, or have they been, are
they acting like they been here before? Are
they a little skiddish? I like that. I like,
I like going that next level on what the horse
is up to. And I was worried that he was the
New York guy, but it turns out his, his Jackie,
John Fanelli and New York traffic, the horse
they're they're from Philadelphia, John Fanelli,
South Philly guy, the first two horses, Fanelli
owned guide him a $25,000 return in the same
day.
And I guess he's been on a pretty crazy role
in, in one day, five hours apart, his gray
Colt named, and my traffic made his debut
and math wizard. A horse Fanelli had claimed
for $25,000 in January, one, 1 million in
the Pennsylvania Derby at 31 to one. And then
your traffic finished third that day at 47
to one. So New York traffic Fanelli, they
got a little heat, a little momentum coming
in here. I'm throwing a little on N Y traffic
to win it all, but also going to be putting
them R or a N my traffic in the try box, who
are some of the other contenders or other
horses you like to possibly pair with TIS
the law.
Speaker 3 (24m 16s): I liked N Y traffic,
the, the two best pieces of form or the most
informative pieces of form. We've got all
the Belmont, which we've watched. And there's
a race called the Haskell steaks, which authentic
woman, but not by very far from, and why traffic
and traffic cheers to authentic in that race.
We then start at all a little roadmaps that'll
form lines through that. So authentic beat
on an EAP. I don't see a reason why honor
AP should get in front of authentic to the
eye.
There was no reason why they should reverse
form and thousand words seems a bit further
down the list of 14 to one finished in front
of authentic. And I don't see a reason why
authentic should reverse that form so I can
put a line through all of those dr. Paulson.
Fortunately, I don't know if you remember
the great big baby from the Belmont. I asked
him to run a big race, but they've pulled
him out. It was quite a few non-owners disappointing.
There was a horse called Rushi and a horse
called as well as dr.
Paul's that all came out this week. Silver
going back to max player, which was a horse
that did us, the beers that filled the third
place in the Belmont.
Speaker 0 (25m 31s): Sorry, just real quick.
On max player, he's sitting in the number
two pole position right now, sitting there
at 30 to one. Do you think one of those horses
in the early pole position has a chance? I
mean, I do like all these horses that we've
highlighted at the end with his law authentic
honor, AP neuro traffic at the 15, 16, 17,
18 slot. But what do you think about max player
in his post position? There
Speaker 3 (25m 56s): It's a death sentence,
really tread, I think 41 years and 30 years
since the horse has come out of one or two
to win, which is why I'm happy to play max
flare for a place. He's a closer if he's sitting
out the back anyway, so that really doesn't
affect him. It's not, it doesn't have to go
forward from that position. So the stores
can open and the jockey can take a little
pool and just sit in behind the reason I like
the clues was because I think these are the
three or four that we have mentioned.
There's three or four, the head of the market.
If they want the chairs is the law. I think
they're just going to cut each other's throat,
which means you are looking then that's just
the law shoots off, down the street where
they're looking for stuff coming from the
back, which is where max player and N Y traffic.
And that's where you might get a bigger price.
That's why you might get one of these 50 to
one shots. If the, if some of the good horses
ruin for second place, if they decide I can't
beat as the law, I'm just going to run for
a second. They could probably do that, but
I don't think that well, it's the Kentucky
Dobby.
They're gonna, they're gonna try and chase
his, the Lord down. And like I say, I think
the, I think they could run the finish out
of each other and set it up for some of that
stuff coming from the back,
Speaker 2 (27m 9s): Like it Kramer. Sean,
do I get to throw in a bed here? Yeah. What
are you, what are you doing? What are you
looking telling you TIS the law. I'm going
heavy, but I'm also going to take, who will
the winning jockey thing first. Oh, okay.
Little love, very bulky. Obvious to go with
God. But every interview you see, he speaks
about his name's Manny, Manny Franco. I believe
buddy Franco. He speaks about TIS the law.
Like it's his best friend. It's will Ferrell
and Mark Wahlberg in a buddy cop movie.
And I believe at plus 300, he will thank the
horse first, because as we mentioned is the
law generational talent on the, on the flat
oval. And yeah, I'm going to throw that out
there. Plus 300 feels like a decent price.
There's all sorts of interesting props here.
Speaker 3 (27m 59s): There's some great props
on by bookie.aig, more than I was going to
bring that up.
Speaker 2 (28m 4s): Yeah,
Speaker 3 (28m 6s): Right. You have your own
street. YouTube. There's some really daft.
Betsy is there is the length. If the horse
name or something like that, you've got the
winning edge of the tree. And as up there,
there's a whole lot of silliness up there.
Like I knew you boys should be bugging you
Speaker 2 (28m 28s): Kramer. What, what are
the, as far as the, the weird props, anything
jumping out at you and most of the props are
really angled around his, the law. So you're
probably better off just taking TIS the law
than some of these, you know, you can bet
on a man crying. Will the, will the trainer
cry in the post race interview? Yes. Is plus
three 50. I don't think these, I don't think
he's crying. No, no. I mean, that's what I'm
saying. Like, I think the one where if you
have an opinion or you think, you know, who's
going to be thanked too, they're all, they're
all plus 300 family trainer, owner, horse,
or God.
So, you know, I do think I like thanking the
horse. Cause I do think if TIS the law wins,
he gets tanked first will an NBC host when
they're trifecta bet. Sean feels like it's
stealing candy from a baby to be able to bet
no, here at minus 900, the just pure mathematical
probability of someone hitting a trifecta.
Now this year, it's a little bit different
because obviously Tesla appears to be, but
that would be a fun way to fade is the law.
And then the last one is we'll we'll secretary
its record of one 59, four be broken.
Yes. 15 to one. Oh, I don't know about you
Malcolm, but you're telling me a chance.
Speaker 0 (29m 43s): I don't know. I would
go no there, but this 4,500 for the classic
shot,
Speaker 3 (29m 47s): Which what practice the
law is. So it's four to six. It's what's that?
Minus six minus one 50. Okay. So we've got
one of these properties, the number of words
in the name.
Speaker 0 (30m 0s): Yes. I was just going
to get to this one.
Speaker 3 (30m 2s): Did you pick that one
out? Three words minus one 90. So yeah.
Speaker 0 (30m 9s): And it gives you a bunch
of other horses. Yeah. You get it. I mean,
yeah. Minus one 90.
Speaker 3 (30m 13s): That's not ideal. Yeah.
Speaker 0 (30m 16s): A little bit. You know
which one of these I, I like kind of, if you
don't, if you're not, if you're going to fail
second honor, AP is that three? I would say
that's two, but you would have to probably
ask my bookie there. The horse name being
two words is plus 600. Ooh, I love that. Cause
I said honor, AP New York traffic winning
impression, attachment rates. So a lot Nicaragua,
like there's I think you get like half the
field and plus 600. If you're looking to just
kind of throw out a fade against TIS the law,
a two word horse winning I plus 600.
I really like that.
Speaker 3 (30m 55s): But yeah, there's got
there for you. Isn't there. There's all sorts.
All sorts of things. All right,
Speaker 0 (31m 1s): Malcolm. So we got we're
going onto is the law. What else do you have
an official trifecta? I have a truck. Oh,
you should give out a trifecta. Yes. I'll
start. I'm going to try box is the law, New
York traffic authentic and then throw a little
bit on TIS the law to win it all. And then
a New York traffic is my long shot to win
it. All. Kramer, what are you doing? What's
your, what's your try box era. Did you throw
a three favorites in there? Almost. You tried,
you tried your hardest chapter five to one.
What are you talking about? TIS, the law is
going to be my first one, honorary, AP, and
for no other reason other than he kept popping
up. And I just, the name I want to hear. I
want to hear his name being called down the
backstretch and that's King Guillermo. Oh
wow. King Giermo down the back stretch. I
just want that. I just want to hear that.
So I'm gonna throw them in there at the end
22 to one. It's not going to pay all that.
Great. But you know, again, like I said, all
95% of my units are going on to is the law
now, now Malcolm, before you throw out yours
real quick, what do we have to do to name
a horse?
Because I think if we could, and maybe we
can get a Kickstarter going get the audience
to chip in. If we can find a horse and name
M D Jen's only, I think that would be huge
for the brand. Is there like some sad, like
horse that's near the end of its life that
we can buy for? Like, are there real cheap
horses that we can name somewhere? Is it cause
you're you see people who get like a star
named after him for like $20? Santa Anita
has like five grand claiming races. Oh, okay.
Do you know, do you know of any,
Speaker 3 (32m 35s): You could get, you could,
you could pick a hole. I'll tell you what
happens over here. Quite a lot is that they'll
do a competition or a little raffle or something
like that. So the winner gets to name the
horse. Yeah. So either it's often the charity
thing. So everyone pays a fiver or a tenner
and all the money goes to charity and the
pole, your name and you get to name the horse.
So there there's something. Well, yeah, you
could pick one up if, if you just want to
run it once in last place, the silly name.
Speaker 0 (33m 7s): Oh, okay. That's that's
that's gone onto the top of the priority list
above naming a bowl game. DJs only bowl game.
First the horse and then the bowl game. Alright,
Malcolm. Let's do it. What's your, what's
your trifecta. And then do you have a long
shot? You're going to sprinkle on outside
of tos.
Speaker 3 (33m 26s): Okay. Yeah. So Tesla
wins wins by about four lengths. The other
is try to stay with it. Can't stay with it.
They cut each other's throats, fall in a hole
coming down the stretch. And why traffic in
a second place at 25 to one. And I'm going
to take our old favorite max player to defy
stall too. And follow that to him in 30 to
20 to one.
Speaker 0 (33m 50s): Right? Write that down,
Sean. I'm betting this. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (33m 54s): The other one, if you,
if you wanted a ride and it's, it's the horse
coming out with stall one, it's a horse called
Finnick the fierce. It's 50 to one, but it
just has a really good attitude. We talked
before about a genuine horse. This is a genuine
horse. So if the front ones do put each of
their suits and this stuff stay on from the
back, beaten, go and pass beaten horses. Finnick
the fierce they'll stay all day and we'll
pass beaten horses. So that might just
Speaker 0 (34m 22s): Third or fourth at 50
to one, also three letters and it's name.
So would be a part of that money. And last
thing to clean up for lengths, the prediction
for TIS the law. That would be a plus two
25. You can get three to five and three quarters
lens. How the f**k they're going to, why they're
cutting me off in a three quarters who knows?
But that seems like a fun burden. That's a
fun prop as well. Awesome. Well, Malcolm preciate
calling in love all the articles over@sportsgamblingpodcast.com.
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FM.
Make sure you give them a follow on Twitter
at mal underscore B underscore sport. Thanks
again, man. And happy racing.
Speaker 3 (35m 2s): Anytime. Always enjoy
it. And I'll speak to you soon.
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Join the join in the sports gambling podcast
network recently with their hit debut podcast
bout that action calling in right now we got
Kyle and of course Mark mega Tron glass. Thanks
for calling in guys. Hey, happy to
Speaker 4 (38m 36s): Be on. Thank you for
having us guys.
Speaker 0 (38m 38s): So as has the podcast
fame already gotten to either one of you
Speaker 4 (38m 44s): I'd say definitely Mark's
had a little more than myself so far. He,
I saw him doing his warmups outside the door
before coming in here, but definitely, definitely
an exciting start and exciting space to be
a part of when you say, Oh yeah, definitely
kind. I walked in on me doing some pre podcast
pushups.
Speaker 0 (39m 2s): I was going to ask because
admittedly, you hear the stories about Tom
cruise, where before a big scene, if he's
got his arms out, he does a couple pushups
on the side. You get that pumped. So your,
your veins are popping. You got a nice bicep.
And now that we've switched over to video,
admittedly, I've done the same. I've tried
and tried to cut down on the pre-workout does
horrible things to my stomach, but I'm already,
I'm already thinking of my pregame routine
because NFL Sunday, just around the corner,
we'll be doing our pregame Periscope and you
know, getting, getting, going, talking football
at 9:00 AM, yanked out of my mind out of like
a red bull and a coffee and get like a red
eye, whatever it is.
And then you're cutting it with the whiskey.
So I'm just one of the contributors here at
the sports gambling podcast network that knows
how to just tickle your fancy and bring up
your love of throwing up plates. Shawn's been
very into his arms lately. So I appreciate
you bringing up that. You're also doing a
little bit of working out before the podcast,
because as they say shooters shoot, and you
can't shoot without guns. Baby got to have
some guns wrapped in the second amendment.
All right, guys. So early on just what if
people haven't checked out an episode about
that action?
They definitely should. When I was going to
cause you, you asked them how is being the
podcast. So how has this new life? And of
course they've probably been introduced to
our massive amount of female listeners, all
2% of them. Well, I think, I think we're up
to 3% in some places, depending on, on how
people identify. But yeah, so walk people
through kind of the concept of the podcast
and of course, make sure you go to the sports
gambling podcast network feed, just type that
into Apple podcast, Spotify, wherever podcasts
are found.
And you'll, you'll be hooked for getting those
bout that action episodes. But yeah, just
throw a kind of the, a, the concept behind
the podcast.
Speaker 4 (40m 56s): Of course, basically.
So Mark and I went to school together. We
were roommates, we're playing a good old division,
three soccer at a division three school back
in the day we became good buddies then. And
we both ended up after graduating from college,
going into the sports industry and working
in a couple of different fields there. So
then we kind of reconnected there and, you
know, we always realized we had a pretty fun
chemistry and thought it might be a cool concept
to get in on the whole, you know, the booming
sports gambling industry.
And, and so we sort of created this podcast
where we were able to, you know, share some
inside the industry, you look at
Speaker 5 (41m 34s): Our lives and what it's
like and how fun it is while also, you know,
shooting the s**t, having some fun and given
out some pics.
Speaker 0 (41m 42s): My thoughts on it, Sean,
it's got a little of that fight club vibe,
right? Like we're careful trading. Yeah. These
are the DJs that have infiltrated mainstream,
mainstream official white collar industries.
And they're out there doing the dirty work,
doing the, doing the leg work to spread the
good word about the sports gambling podcast
network. Now, when you're talking about kind
of the sports sports industry, the players,
I mean, I definitely have a feeling that a
lot of these guys involved in the business
also are gamblers.
Do you guys have any, any time where maybe
someone you've worked with or you heard an
agent or you knew a player that was maybe
betting? I mean, I'm sure some of these guys
just go nuts, especially if they're not in
the NFL for the super bowl or whatever. Do
you guys, have you had any experience or hearing
guys talk about the lines at all?
Speaker 5 (42m 32s): Yeah. Let you go ahead.
Go ahead. Yeah. I guess for me, I'm trying
to think I work for an agency, right? So we've
got like really close connections with a number
of different players across a variety of sports.
So I know for them, like, they're actually
not allowed to bet on any kind of sport, even
at like, if you played basketball, you couldn't
bet on football or anything like that. But
I definitely heard some stories of guys like
actually looking at like draft Kings and websites
like that, where they're actually like looking
at themselves as underdogs before they play
games to get five kids speak to if they're
putting money on it though,
Speaker 0 (43m 8s): Pete Rose, he's the only
Baton on him. So baby,
Speaker 5 (43m 11s): I mean, which I think
should be totally legal. I just want to go
Speaker 0 (43m 14s): Well. Yeah. And that
is, that is the cool aspect of a fighters
that fighters in the state of Nevada are allowed
to bet on themselves. And whenever I hear
guys also betting on themselves immediately,
that's who I'm backing, but there isn't, you
just apply the same rules of stock trading.
You just can't bet on yourself more than 24,
48 hours before an event, something like that.
So you see, I, again, it's it. I get it. It
seems as though people always think that if
someone's bedding, they must be doing something
nefarious.
But most people that better just looking for
a little bit of a rush, right? Like these
professional athletes, 25, what are you going
to pay a guy like that to tank nowadays? You're
not, it's not realistic. Sure. Maybe college
kids, we can get down that path, but we can
talk about the Austin Peay long snapper. Cause
that kid, I mean, that kid owed some money
to someone because it's just too horrific,
long snaps in the first college football game
of the season. And they don't, they didn't
even get points out of that. So I don't know
what was going on there, but yeah, that was,
I mean, sometimes you really have to wonder,
and as the Campbell you're paranoid, like,
Oh, are, you know, is there an inside fix?
Is something going on? And then of course
Tim Donaghy comes out and you're like, Oh
yeah, I was right. I was right. There was
some sort of fix going on, but that never
it's hilarious because betting on the NBA
never been more popular after it came out,
then a referee was rigging the games. So even
when you hear that stuff is regular, like,
alright, but I still really like this side.
Speaker 4 (44m 41s): Definitely. And I, I
think with the, the convenience factor that's
coming to it as well, especially when you're
out working these events. I mean, betting
on an event that you're watching live is just,
is just so awesome. So I definitely, especially
with the fight game, you see, you know, tons
of people around the sport, around the media,
whoever it is engaging in this, just cause
it's, it's, it's fun to watch a game on TV
that you bet on, but it's even, can sometimes
be even, even bigger rush when you're there,
you know, watching it live. Can you guys just,
can you guys just picture the Kyle working
like the, the PR side of events, right?
So he's in there with a suit and his credentials
and you gotta be like really calm and controlled.
Like all the people work in the event and
then you just see Kyle just losing his s**t.
Speaker 0 (45m 21s): That reminds me of the
time Sean and Colby embarrassed. The brand
up in Pullman, Washington state were up in
the press room and they just start cheering
like, like savages it's completely dead quiet.
And then I just do that. Yeah. We got, I had
a decent amount of cash on Washington state.
The guy throws a 40 yard bomb down the center
of the field. I just get up in the booth.
I'm like, yeah, let's go home. And then they
come over. They're like, there's no cheering.
I'm like, I'm not cheering the players. I'm
sharing my bed, but apparently that's not
allowed either.
So yeah. All right guys, Kentucky Derby, we
just had our Kentucky Derby guy on. He broke
down. I mean, Malcolm's great. English dude
really seems to know his horses. He's coming
off successfully given out the trifecta. He
did admit he didn't come prepared with c**k
lengths of horses disappointed. So unfortunately
we didn't get that depth of analysis, but
do you guys have any thoughts? Are you guys
throwing anything on the Derby this weekend?
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (46m 20s): Some, some of the stuff
I've got in mind, I think I'm sure you guys
talked a bit about TIS the law and, and, and
how big a favorite it is this year. I'm going
to play some exact as with TIS lawn mind.
I'm going to play an exactly what TIS the
law and major fed. Who's a 50 to one, a TIS,
the law and thousand words. I like thousand
words. That's a Bob, Baffert her horse. It's
one of those late blooming horses that could
maybe benefit from the, the race being pushed
to later in the year. So I'm going to play
one with that also going to play on with authentic
TIS the lawn authentic.
That's another Bob Baffert horse. The second
one in the field that one has only lost to
honor AP in the San Anita Derby, which was
actually, I was actually one of the few people
who got to be at the Santa Anita Derby this
year. I was there working it. And it was,
it was crazy. I mean, I mean, I'm sure you
can imagine it was a pretty spooky, but, but
cool. A cool thing to witness with such a
huge, you know, such huge stands and a huge
track and no one there, but I was there to
watch that race. So I'm going to have that.
I'm also going to play a couple exact days
with honor AP winning.
I'll take on our AP and TIS the law and one
on our AP and thousand in one on our AP and
major fed in one as well. And then lastly
for me, I like FIN-ACK the fierce as my long
shot. Ooh. Yeah. It's got a great story. This
horse he's, he has one eyeball and he was
originally purchased for $3,000, which is
stupid cheap for a race horse. I just like
the story here. I think it'd be really funny
thing. This horse has come back from, you
know, lots of adversity and I liked the idea
of a horse that's half blind, just kinda running
to the front and winning a race.
So I'm gonna take that as my long shot.
Speaker 0 (48m 1s): Awesome. Cause we were
talking to Malcolm, I said, what do we got
to do to buy a horse and, and name it, name
it hashtag DJs only. And he's like, yeah,
you can probably find, I didn't know. FIN-ACK
was only 3000, which by the way, also three
words, which if you're betting the, will the
winner have three words minus one 90. Oh yeah.
Here's the law and, and the long shot there.
So Mark, do you have any, you got any action
for the Kentucky Derby this weekend
Speaker 4 (48m 30s): Action. Yes. Advisable
action. Definitely not. Hey, that's the theme
here at the podcast. I always say on our show
that I'm extremely honest in what I know and
what I don't know. And what I don't know is,
is horses and how to measure their athleticism.
So I just go based off the odds, I've got
authentic to win at eight.
Speaker 0 (48m 50s): Ooh, nice. Yeah. I threw
authentic in my try box. So that'll be fun
if they ended up, you know, Sean people thought
you were crazy when you called out country
house last year. So anything is possible here.
The, around the short track of Churchill downs,
man. And it's, it's really a shame cause Kentucky
Derby, besides being just a fun event, it's
one of the all time parties. Oh yeah. Wes
Welker was there last year, taking ecstasy
with kid rock or whatever that story was.
And you know, there's always a little bit
of a wildness at these and it's funny cause
people, they get, they get dressed up in those
fancy clothes and then, you know, are like
just slamming, slamming mint juleps and doing
God knows what else.
One of the, you know, back when I was growing
up on the East coast, one of the major, like
it was considered one of the biggest party
events of all time was the Preakness. Like
people would frats would go down and, and
just party there and go nuts. And I remember
hearing a story, this one girl, they were
partying there all day. I think she went to
like Del Val or some like really crappy college
and to go to Pennsylvania, it's it's not good.
And they're just going hard the entire day.
The Preakness, I think, is where they do the
outhouse races, where people get on the top
of the outhouses in Braun and people, fire
beers at them and try and knock them down
anyway, completely wild day.
And as they're going ready to go into to watch
the race, they say to the one girl, they're
like, okay, come on, let's go watch the horse's
race. And she just goes, what they're horses?
She had no idea. There was a horse race going
on. She was there just to, just for the part,
a former neighbor of mine. She was kind of
in the entertainment industry and she would
go to work the conductor, work a show in the
area and ended up always being there for the
Kentucky Derby. And one of her observations
is that if you are at all in like the privileged
crowd with the access quote, unquote, it's
really hard to not get blackout drunk because
all of the whiskey, all of the whiskey that
is there and Kentucky, like people are just
pouring whiskey down your throat.
So I could only imagine the stories like there
must be just tons of f*****g rich guys, you
know, hashtag me tooling and closets. And
there is a there's Hunter as Thompson went
and covered it one year and just like went
on a Epic, like kind of departure run as you'd
imagine. I think he had like an ether rag
going in the Kentucky Derby press Fox. So
that's a great read if you ever come across
it. What about you guys? Any, any great like
tailgating, partying going nuts before a sporting
event?
Speaker 5 (51m 27s): Oh yeah. I'm sure we've
got a lot of that. I actually was just thinking
about you reminded me, but we had, so we played
soccer in college and we had this assistant
coach who was this complete degenerate, both
in a gambling and a drinking sense. Like this
guy was like a division one, all American,
supposed to go pro. And he just burned out
cause he drank way too much. But I remember
he looked me in the eyes with zero context
around, like I must've been like a sophomore.
So I'm assuming like 19 years old, he looked
at me and he said, Mark, there's two things
you have to do in life.
He said in life, he said, what's that coach?
You said you got to visit an old miss sorority
house and you, and you have to go to the Kentucky
Derby. Wow. He said that. I don't know why
I didn't explain.
Speaker 0 (52m 13s): Well, honestly, Sean,
I don't know how I feel about the Omega sorority
house now that were hashed Hale state. Yeah.
Mississippi state state fans now. But yeah,
Vegas guys. I want to know what happened at
the sorority house and the Kentucky Derby
to this man that those are the two things.
Well, one of my buddies in, in standup always
had a great routine where he was, he goes
guys, just rate, travel places on whether
or not they got laid there or not. He goes,
it could be the most random place, but in
their mind, it's awesome. Cause they got laid
there like, Oh man, you've never been to Cincinnati.
Cincinnati is a good time. Like, he's just,
he's just remembering this Chickie hooked
up with three years ago. But like attaches
it to some random food and p***y to two vectors
for rating. Well, and while we're kind of
in this territory talking tailgating stories,
what are the great tailgate stories I had
of all time? It was at giant stadium. It actually
wasn't for a, a, a giants game. It was, it
was senior year in high school. And we went
to a Dave Matthews concert, which I'm, I'm
probably dating myself there.
But, and you know, Dave Matthews like legendary
tailgating saying, not that there's anything
wrong with that. No. And my buddy who drove
us there, he was reaching into the cooler
of a back seat or, or no, it was in the trunk.
He was going to grab a beer. And another one
of my friends wasn't paying attention. He
had just grabbed a beer. Didn't think anything
about it and slam the trunk door on the kid's
head, busts open, it's bleeding everywhere.
This is like 30 minutes before we're supposed
to walk in and, and Meadowland stadium, he's
bleeding everywhere.
The guy who slammed the trunk just like went
into the show D barely apologize. And you
know, this is my buddy and also my ride home.
So I'm like, all right, dude, we gotta get
you. We take him to a, an ambulance that was
like an EMT that was there. And they're like,
Oh, we gotta take you in. So they drive us
into the city, go over the bridge into the
city, stitch him up. And then the ambulance
is like, well, what do you want to do? And
we're like, well, let's get back to Meadowland
stadium. They drive us through the stadium
onto the field. And so we had horrible tickets,
but instead we get all like floor level seats.
They just drive us to, with the ambulance
we get out and I s**t, you not like 20 minutes
later, my buddy in one hand is smoking a joint
and the other, like holding his bandage on
the back side of his head. It was an old timer.
Speaker 5 (54m 39s): I know, I know Kramer.
I know you're a big, a big giants fan. That
would have been a cool, cool way to see, see
Jason, Garrett. But Mark Mark's had a good,
a good Jason Garrett interaction. Me and Jason
are boys
Speaker 0 (54m 55s): Really now. So Jason
Garrett, he's a, he's a fun guy. He's watching
some Princeton field hockey together. So for
us to make fun of, but you got, you got to
hang with Jason Garrett. What was that like?
Speaker 5 (55m 6s): Oh, it was pretty funny.
I will. I mean, from my perspective, he probably
hated it, but it was a, what year? It was
2017, like around like March, 2017. We were,
we were still in college and I was an intern
for an NFL agency down there. It's like how
I got my start in the sports business and
they represented Jason Garrett. This was like
2017. I think he was just coming off like
his coach of the year award.
Speaker 0 (55m 28s): Yeah. They were 13 and
three. That in 2000.
Speaker 5 (55m 30s): Yeah. Yeah. So that was
like, when it was cool to see Jason Garrett
Speaker 0 (55m 36s): That one year where it
was cool,
Speaker 5 (55m 38s): But so we ha they have
every year, the agency hosts his big party,
right. Where all the athletes come in and
like all the coaches and execs, they represent,
it's like a big charity thing. And everyone
just gets hammered for like a weekend. Like
there's like, there's like a all day party,
like golf tailgate party at night, it's down.
And it's down in Dana point at like one of
the hotels owned by the Ritz Carlton. Super
sweet. And so I go there at the party on like
the Saturday night, which is like the big
headline event. They had Jim Kelly there.
Right. Absolute legend of the game.
He gave a speech and he was hanging out and
he was talking to Jason Garrett, like just
the two of them, nothing crazy. And so me
as like the college intern idiot, I'm like,
I gotta go chop it up with these guys. So
I go up to the bartender. I'm like, Hey, I
need to get a bottle of patroned the bartender's
like, I can't give you that. I'm like, should
I say, I say, I'm the assistant of the president
of the com of the company that is hosting
this, which was actually kind of true. And
I was like, and he needs that bottle of Patrona
right now. Like, we'll cover the cost of it
later. So the guy gives it to me.
Somehow. I walk up to Jim Kelly and Jason
Garrett. I don't want to use it. My boss's
name, a calm I'll call him the president.
But I was like, I was like, Hey, the president
wants you guys to, to take these. I got like
two shot glasses at bottle of Patrone and
Jim, Jim Kelly looks at me and he's like,
he's like, he does. I'm like, yeah. He's like,
he's like, he, he knows that I don't drink
because he's obviously gone through a cancer
and stuff. He doesn't drink at all. I'm like,
f**k. So I, so, so Jason's got the shot glass
in his hand, like poured Jim.
Kelly's got his in his hand. He's like, I'm
not going to drink this. Jason Garrett just
rips his grabs. Jim Kelly's rips that one
too. I look at him in awe. I pull straight
out of the bottle. I just give it, I just,
I let it gesture over to give it to Jason
Garrett. And he actually grabbed it and started
drinking out of it straight from the bottle
winced. And he was like, and he looked at
me and he was like, he was like, every year
he f*****g does this to me.
Speaker 0 (57m 35s): Oh, that's awesome. More
stuff. More news coming to light, Sean, that's
going to make you harder and harder. Oh, this
New York giants team all rise. Jason, Garrett,
Poland from the petroleum bottle, like a man.
Wow. I love that story.
Speaker 5 (57m 53s): That's the thing we've
got to consider a Jason Garrett though, is
that he was a lifetime backup quarterback.
Am I not? Am I right about that? Yeah. Yeah.
So I mean back of quarterback there, those
guys probably drank more than anybody.
Speaker 0 (58m 4s): Yeah. They're the coolest
guys to hang out with. Cause they're there.
They still have that quarterback swagger.
They just don't really give a s**t cause they
know they're not getting in the game. It's
a perfect combo.
Speaker 5 (58m 14s): All right. Get back up.
Troy Aikman. So he's all good.
Speaker 0 (58m 18s): We're gonna, we're gonna
wrap things up with a couple of your guys'
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It is the NFL and not going to let you guys
go without giving us just one, one a hot take
one big surprise. Just one bold prediction
for the NFL from you, Kyle, and then Mark.
It can't be, the giants are gonna win. The
NFC. Ryan has locked down that prediction.
So any other, any other bold predictions,
let's get them on record here. Put your guys
a feet to the flame a little bit. Okay.
Speaker 4 (59m 23s): As a, a former San Diego
charger fan, as a kid who grew up in San Diego,
I got to watch Philip Rivers for quite a few
years. Just struggle, struggle. Be a good
quarterback, just struggled to get, get to
that final playoff push and really get anywhere
significant. I think now that he's in Indianapolis,
they're going to have a good year. That's
my, that's my vague, but, but prediction for
that, I think Philip Rivers needed, he needed
a change of scenery. Big fan of the guy. I
think he's going to have a good first year.
The Colts have a lot of new fans in Southern
California. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (59m 57s): There you go. Super chargers.
Speaker 4 (59m 60s): All right. So we'll put
you down for over on the Colts. Wind. Tony
Martin. Yeah. I'll take it Mark. What's your,
what's your bold prediction for this 2020
NFL season a bold, do you want me to go, go
bold, go bold, go Jason. Garrett bull. Wait,
hold on. Don't go more than that. But more
than that, you have to edit that out. People
may construe that as some sort of compliment
to Jason Garrett. I'm going Washington football
team bold.
Oh no. I'm going Dwayne Haskins MVP. Dwayne
Haskins MVP just got named the starter today.
Shout out, shout out to Ohio state for no
reason. I have no affiliation. They got a
defense. I'm going Redskins. Oh, not Redskins
former Redskins. There you go. Whoops to the
Superbowl, but they lose. Wow. Wow. More heartbreak
for the Washington football team. I liked
that. He went, he, he spit in the face of
my giants, win the division in a different
kind of way.
I love really coming outside the box. All
right. Wow. That was awesome. Guys. Thank
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Speaker 0 (5m 33s): Chad Johnson. You know,
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Appreciate you calling into the show again.
Good evening, Jen, how are we doing? Yes,
Speaker 2 (8m 48s): That's the way you're
going to bring this man onto the show. After
last time he stepped to the plate and smashes
a grand slam over the left fence. And
Speaker 0 (8m 57s): Just for people who maybe
they miss the first podcast, walk people through
your predictions last time, what you got,
right. Just take a moment to hype yourself
up.
Speaker 3 (9m 8s): Well, yeah, it went okay.
Didn't it I'll be honest. I did actually consider
whether or not I should just walk into the
sunset in 20 years time, you could still be
talking to them about that bloke with a silly
accent to give the trifecta in the Belmont,
or I could risk ruining my reputation by turning
it up again. But no, it went perfectly. Last
time we got the trifecta up, TIS the law did
the business and the other two that we gave
out cheers to tomb. Yeah, it was all very
exciting. So hopefully we can get a similar
result this week.
Shooters shoot,
Speaker 0 (9m 40s): Sean, and you can't make
it if you're not taking shots. So we appreciate
you coming back because a streak of one is
just that a streak of war, every streak begins
with a trifecta hit. And that's what I like
to say. I love, I love reading Malcolm's articles.
And of course that's where I start. When I'm
trying to wrap my head around who to pick
and probably copy a bunch of his plays here,
but it's so great. He throws in these and
just very non-American expressions. And I'm
really enjoying when he was talking about
some of the long shots.
He has a quote in there, quote, there's not
much, there's not much here. That blows my
skirt up. Oh, it's, it's a great expression
that I, you know, when Kramer throws out a
three team tease, I'm just going to say that
doesn't blow my skirt up. I liked that the
American people do not do a great job of utilizing
the English English language. I'll say that.
No. Yeah. I mean, when you read Malcolm stuff,
you're like, okay, this is a language. I fancy
it. So Malcolm let's let's let's just talk
about the track a little bit. Of course, it's
kind of weird now that it's re the race is
being done in August, you know?
Cause everything timber. Oh, sorry, September
again. Everyone's time is completely off,
but what is different now about the, about
the track being raised in September and, and
any sort of major changes we should know about
before we talk horses?
Speaker 3 (10m 60s): Yeah. Well, everything's
still out of kilter. Obviously. The Reyes
is the second leg of the triple crown where
it's traditionally the first is it the first
Saturday in may? I think generally everything's
out of whack. The Belmont went first. We've
then got the Ken took E Darby on Saturday
and the Preakness is next month. It's not
as long a weird, this was about each of your
days between the first two races. And the
Preakness is quite soon, early October, but
nothing about the truck or anything, really
the horses should be a little bit further
forward may for three year olds is quite early
in their season.
So they should know a little bit more. Now
it's September. Although they haven't been
able to get that many prep runs into them.
But now they've all, they've all had time
for at least a prep room. So they'll know
a little bit more, they'll be a little bit
further forward if anything, so a little bit
more experienced, which should mean it's a
less of a less chance of a shock early in
mere, you get some unexposed sources who will
improve when now September, we tend to know
what they're all about. So we should still
be looking towards the head of the market.
But yeah, it's the same. It's a it's back
to Ireland to the Belmont trip, hard change.
The, the shortened that race. This is back
to Ireland to the standard distance. So apart
from the lack of a crowd, it's a pretty, it's
a standard Darby. So not, not what's different
new excuses.
Speaker 0 (12m 26s): The beauty of the Kentucky
Derby is always that there's so many horses.
So there's at least the illusion of being
able to pick a winner down the list a little
bit, like say, Oh, I'll have another perhaps
country hat was country, house time, tree
house. Yeah, I know you like to tout when
Sean, so last year I had country house winning.
And of course it was that that review was
10 of the longest minutes of my life. Cause
they country house came in second. And then
there was that penalty and the ended up wanting
to race this year different because we have
LeBron James last year,
Speaker 3 (12m 60s): That was horrible. You
donated that money to charity cheap.
Speaker 0 (13m 5s): I know it felt a little
dirty, but I still, I still celebrate. It.
Went out, had a nice steak dinner. Sean has
done nothing but tout that victory he's done.
No donating of anything to charity. Charity
is giving away these free picks, having my
charities, having Malcolm, come on and let
the listeners here is his locks and give it
away the free cash that way. What, as far
as the Kentucky Derby and long shots in, and
of course last year country house certainly
got a break with that. The penalty that ended
up disqualifying, the actual winner there.
What do you look for? Or is there a kind of
a common thread for horses that do pull off
an upset in the Kentucky Derby? Something
we should be looking for? If we're looking
to take a long shot?
Speaker 3 (13m 47s): Well, I've got a couple
of little stats, a couple of trends that sort
of jumbo in it. Hasn't been great for long
shots. Obviously you've had that one last
year. Was it 61? But before that you've had
six consecutive favorites had gone in between
2013 and 2018, which is a hell of a lot of
in any race. You don't often see six favorites
in a rule going. So I think with it being
an earlier in the year, generally in me, that's
when we talked on the last part about a horse
going from its two year old gear to which
three year old year.
So that's what you'll get an unexposed horse.
That's come on over the winter, gets a little
bit of soon on its back in the spring and
it's ready to go and can and can come on leaps
and bounds from the end of its two year old
season, early in the spring now because we're
in the autumn, the also is they're not exposed
because they're still already three and learning
the job, but we know a little bit more about
them. And I don't think you're going to get
a leap of a form that you can't do over you
when you put a horse away in September, October,
November of one year, and then bring it back
out in me the next year they can, they can
make a huge leap forward.
Some of them do the thing you mentioned before
about being in a full field, a big field.
This is unusual for American reason. 18 runners
go to post on Saturday, and now we get that
in England all the time, but you don't often
see, you rarely see more than maybe 10, 12
runners in us reason. And some horses respond
to that or just like being around other horses,
being amongst other horses. And you can often
get a long shot who sometimes it's running
in between with five, six, seven of the horses
and doesn't get the bows surrounded by the
third and blunder of 17 other horses.
And the horse will respond to that. And alongside
might just pick up the bit and say, yeah,
I fancy this and go for it. So that's
Speaker 0 (15m 50s): Maybe there's a Nick
foals type horse out there when the chips
are stacked against the giant. Well, yeah,
and literally a, a horse dong, but you know,
like that, he's when he sees everyone else
going forward, this long shot, you know, it
gets it in his head like, alright, L we're
racing, okay, I'm going to go for it. And
maybe
Speaker 3 (16m 9s): There's no reference.
I have no statistics on the size of any of
the holes is penises.
Speaker 0 (16m 15s): Well, long c**k. Don't
worry. I do. Yeah, that's right. All right.
We'll take care of that in the next chapter,
but, and that's interesting that he's talking
about that, that leap. And basically some
of these horses were able to surprise that
the Derby cause of that leap and, and we,
we saw that. We see that all the time with
NFL quarterbacks in that one to two year leap,
we saw it with kind of Lamar Jackson making
that leap coming out of nowhere. And now that
they're in autumn, he's, Malcolm's pointing
out that like, well, you kind of see what
these horses are.
And so it's even going to be harder to have
a horse sneak up on ya. And he's kind of surprised
Speaker 3 (16m 54s): 13 fixtures other than
week one NFL where you everyone's pregnant
with the possibility of what might happen.
This is, this is week 13 and renewal what's
happening.
Speaker 0 (17m 7s): Certainly. All right.
So let's get to it. Let's talk the horses.
It seems like you're all in on TIS the law,
even though TIS the laws is a huge favor right
now it's shot.
Speaker 3 (17m 19s): No, we had this conversation
last time. What are tangible? I didn't want
to tip the favor. It's a bit boring, but we
watched the reest last time and it was very,
very impressive. Wasn't it it's been just
as impressive since it came out. And one of
the Travers, just to really just to shake
the rust off and make sure that it was prepped
for Saturday's race, but the thoughts just
look so straightforward. And that's quite
a rare thing because the horses, they're not
machines, they're not robots.
They're not even people. So they can't tell
you how the thinking or feeling. So there's
always that question Mark, about an animal.
This thing looks like a robot. Like it's,
it's got such an easy style of running. It
doesn't need seven or eight things to go right.
For it to win. It just needs to break out
stalk the piece. And when money frankly, presses
the button, the horse scores and does the
rest it's, he could steer it. We could win
on this Eric and our Goodwin on this one side.
Speaker 2 (18m 18s): So you're saying if you
were on TIS the law, you would still pick
TIS law. And it seems there's a lot of, it
seems like there's a lot of people out there
that are like, well, wait a second honor,
AP didn't run against tos, the law and the
Belmont. He's sitting there at five to one,
perhaps that is the horse that is allowing
us to get great value on TIS the Lord only
three to five, because why isn't this horse
a bigger favorite? This is LeBron f*****g
James. Yeah. All right. We have, we don't
see horses like this all the time. And I think
like Malcolm just pointed out that this horse
can do things wrong and still win this race.
Don't don't get cute, like Charles Barkley
and take the blazers to win in round one,
realize that TIS the law is gonna win. And
it's more about what you can pair with TIS
the law in that trifecta, in that try Bach
the angle against his, the law, simply the
position I think you would say, but all of
the favorites are all out there. So they're
all going to have to travel that extra distance.
I just, you know, I took a future on TIS the
law, winning the Kentucky dirt, like way back
right after the Belmont. And you can get even
money on it.
It's now it's now slightly more expensive
than even money, but still value. Sean, I'm
going to risk it all. I've been telling you
about this secret horse account. I have, it's
all going on, TIS the law this weekend. What
could possibly go wrong? So
Speaker 3 (19m 35s): Eat even money's like,
that's like finding money in the streets is
the law. That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (19m 40s): Well, and now it becomes
the exercise of like, of course I'm not only
going to bet on one guy, where is my try box
come, where am I harvesting this long shot
to juice up my tri box to get? Or, or, you
know, maybe a superfecta here and there. Well,
okay. So right now it's his law four to six.
He's the guy that you want to put in there
and then kind of pair around it. Kramer briefly
mentioned the, the pole position for TIS.
The law is 17 and the 17 position, a horse
has never won the Kentucky Derby.
According to the, your article here, what
are you worried at all that the pole position
or where he's starting, is going to impact
his race?
Speaker 3 (20m 20s): Well, I was, when I fell,
I saw the draw on,
Speaker 2 (20m 25s): I saw the tour maybe
Tuesday
Speaker 3 (20m 27s): And instantly became
concerned. Now, if, if we got to 18 run, I
race in this country around two tunes and
something was drawn out there. You'd just
put a line through it. You give it, give it
no chance. And I thought that was a real concern.
And then I had a little look at the drawers
of the other horses and they're the history
of, okay, so 17 has never won, but, but going
back to 2008, the winners have come from stalled,
their country house with 20 last year, you
got a 13 before that American Pharaoh, if
you remember that talking horse, that was
18.
Orb came from 16 animal kingdom came from
16, big Brown came from 20. So that's been
the place to be. So, and that kind of baffled
me a little bit that flew in the face of everything
I understood to be right and proper in horse
racing. And then if you look at the, the other
horses are out there as well. So there's already
three horses with single figure odds. You've
got this, the law honorary, a P Shaun, which
you mentioned at fives in authentic eights,
they're drawn 16, 17, 18.
And then the next one we've put up in our
article and why traffic is John 15. So they're
all out there. So I think, do you know the
old flock of geese formation? I can see them
coming down. They've got to get out and get,
it's almost a separate race through those
four on the outside. I've got to come out,
get down that street and then just ease the
way across. I think what will help TIS the
law is the honorary opinion authentic, want
to get to the front? Which just means they'll
just tool. Is the law in behind.
Yeah. They just hitch himself to the back
of them and they do all the work. Then they're
doing office work for him so he can Slingshot
him. He can shake and big off the old of the
third bend and he'll be gone. So I was, I
was really concerned about it, but that was
from an Englishman point of view, within five
minutes of having to look at it, those concerns
just melted away. Like, and I thought we were
home and horse again.
Speaker 0 (22m 29s): Well, yeah. And we haven't
seen the fly in V I think since Gordon Bombay
in the mighty ducks, there you go. You know,
who's, who's on the end of that, that V and
he's a guy you kind of touched on a little
bit in your article. This is, this is a one
again. I liked his, the law for sure. Can
I have some money on him? But I also like
as a long shot and I got a bed, a little long
shot, I'm going to do a little on N traffic
right now. My bookie has NYT traffic, 25 to
one. And you even hit on it in your article
that he, he looks incredibly genuine.
He's not one of those phony horses. And I
like to watch, you know, when I go to Santa
Anita show and I watched the horses do that
lap around the paddock, I want to see what's
their attitude like, or have they been, are
they acting like they been here before? Are
they a little skiddish? I like that. I like,
I like going that next level on what the horse
is up to. And I was worried that he was the
New York guy, but it turns out his, his Jackie,
John Fanelli and New York traffic, the horse
they're they're from Philadelphia, John Fanelli,
South Philly guy, the first two horses, Fanelli
owned guide him a $25,000 return in the same
day.
And I guess he's been on a pretty crazy role
in, in one day, five hours apart, his gray
Colt named, and my traffic made his debut
and math wizard. A horse Fanelli had claimed
for $25,000 in January, one, 1 million in
the Pennsylvania Derby at 31 to one. And then
your traffic finished third that day at 47
to one. So New York traffic Fanelli, they
got a little heat, a little momentum coming
in here. I'm throwing a little on N Y traffic
to win it all, but also going to be putting
them R or a N my traffic in the try box, who
are some of the other contenders or other
horses you like to possibly pair with TIS
the law.
Speaker 3 (24m 16s): I liked N Y traffic,
the, the two best pieces of form or the most
informative pieces of form. We've got all
the Belmont, which we've watched. And there's
a race called the Haskell steaks, which authentic
woman, but not by very far from, and why traffic
and traffic cheers to authentic in that race.
We then start at all a little roadmaps that'll
form lines through that. So authentic beat
on an EAP. I don't see a reason why honor
AP should get in front of authentic to the
eye.
There was no reason why they should reverse
form and thousand words seems a bit further
down the list of 14 to one finished in front
of authentic. And I don't see a reason why
authentic should reverse that form so I can
put a line through all of those dr. Paulson.
Fortunately, I don't know if you remember
the great big baby from the Belmont. I asked
him to run a big race, but they've pulled
him out. It was quite a few non-owners disappointing.
There was a horse called Rushi and a horse
called  as well as dr.
Paul's that all came out this week. Silver
going back to max player, which was a horse
that did us, the beers that filled the third
place in the Belmont.
Speaker 0 (25m 31s): Sorry, just real quick.
On max player, he's sitting in the number
two pole position right now, sitting there
at 30 to one. Do you think one of those horses
in the early pole position has a chance? I
mean, I do like all these horses that we've
highlighted at the end with his law authentic
honor, AP neuro traffic at the 15, 16, 17,
18 slot. But what do you think about max player
in his post position? There
Speaker 3 (25m 56s): It's a death sentence,
really tread, I think 41 years and 30 years
since the horse has come out of one or two
to win, which is why I'm happy to play max
flare for a place. He's a closer if he's sitting
out the back anyway, so that really doesn't
affect him. It's not, it doesn't have to go
forward from that position. So the stores
can open and the jockey can take a little
pool and just sit in behind the reason I like
the clues was because I think these are the
three or four that we have mentioned.
There's three or four, the head of the market.
If they want the chairs is the law. I think
they're just going to cut each other's throat,
which means you are looking then that's just
the law shoots off, down the street where
they're looking for stuff coming from the
back, which is where max player and N Y traffic.
And that's where you might get a bigger price.
That's why you might get one of these 50 to
one shots. If the, if some of the good horses
ruin for second place, if they decide I can't
beat as the law, I'm just going to run for
a second. They could probably do that, but
I don't think that well, it's the Kentucky
Dobby.
They're gonna, they're gonna try and chase
his, the Lord down. And like I say, I think
the, I think they could run the finish out
of each other and set it up for some of that
stuff coming from the back,
Speaker 2 (27m 9s): Like it Kramer. Sean,
do I get to throw in a bed here? Yeah. What
are you, what are you doing? What are you
looking telling you TIS the law. I'm going
heavy, but I'm also going to take, who will
the winning jockey thing first. Oh, okay.
Little love, very bulky. Obvious to go with
God. But every interview you see, he speaks
about his name's Manny, Manny Franco. I believe
buddy Franco. He speaks about TIS the law.
Like it's his best friend. It's will Ferrell
and Mark Wahlberg in a buddy cop movie.
And I believe at plus 300, he will thank the
horse first, because as we mentioned is the
law generational talent on the, on the flat
oval. And yeah, I'm going to throw that out
there. Plus 300 feels like a decent price.
There's all sorts of interesting props here.
Speaker 3 (27m 59s): There's some great props
on by bookie.aig, more than I was going to
bring that up.
Speaker 2 (28m 4s): Yeah, 
Speaker 3 (28m 6s): Right. You have your own
street. YouTube. There's some really daft.
Betsy is there is the length. If the horse
name  or something like that, you've
got the winning edge of the tree. And as up
there, there's a whole lot of silliness up
there. Like I knew you boys should be bugging
you
Speaker 2 (28m 28s): Kramer. What, what are
the, as far as the, the weird props, anything
jumping out at you and most of the props are
really angled around his, the law. So you're
probably better off just taking TIS the law
than some of these, you know, you can bet
on a man crying. Will the, will the trainer
cry in the post race interview? Yes. Is plus
three 50. I don't think these, I don't think
he's crying. No, no. I mean, that's what I'm
saying. Like, I think the one where if you
have an opinion or you think, you know, who's
going to be thanked too, they're all, they're
all plus 300 family trainer, owner, horse,
or God.
So, you know, I do think I like thanking the
horse. Cause I do think if TIS the law wins,
he gets tanked first will an NBC host when
they're trifecta bet. Sean feels like it's
stealing candy from a baby to be able to bet
no, here at minus 900, the just pure mathematical
probability of someone hitting a trifecta.
Now this year, it's a little bit different
because obviously Tesla appears to be, but
that would be a fun way to fade is the law.
And then the last one is we'll we'll secretary
its record of one 59, four be broken.
Yes. 15 to one. Oh, I don't know about you
Malcolm, but you're telling me a chance.
Speaker 0 (29m 43s): I don't know. I would
go no there, but this 4,500 for the classic
shot,
Speaker 3 (29m 47s): Which what practice the
law is. So it's four to six. It's what's that?
Minus six minus one 50. Okay. So we've got
one of these properties, the number of words
in the name.
Speaker 0 (30m 0s): Yes. I was just going
to get to this one.
Speaker 3 (30m 2s): Did you pick that one
out? Three words minus one 90. So yeah.
Speaker 0 (30m 9s): And it gives you a bunch
of other horses. Yeah. You get it. I mean,
yeah. Minus one 90.
Speaker 3 (30m 13s): That's not ideal. Yeah.
Speaker 0 (30m 16s): A little bit. You know
which one of these I, I like kind of, if you
don't, if you're not, if you're going to fail
second honor, AP is that three? I would say
that's two, but you would have to probably
ask my bookie there. The horse name being
two words is plus 600. Ooh, I love that. Cause
I said honor, AP New York traffic winning
impression, attachment rates. So a lot Nicaragua,
like there's I think you get like half the
field and plus 600. If you're looking to just
kind of throw out a fade against TIS the law,
a two word horse winning I plus 600.
I really like that.
Speaker 3 (30m 55s): But yeah, there's got
there for you. Isn't there. There's all sorts.
All sorts of things. All right,
Speaker 0 (31m 1s): Malcolm. So we got we're
going onto is the law. What else do you have
an official trifecta? I have a truck. Oh,
you should give out a trifecta. Yes. I'll
start. I'm going to try box is the law, New
York traffic authentic and then throw a little
bit on TIS the law to win it all. And then
a New York traffic is my long shot to win
it. All. Kramer, what are you doing? What's
your, what's your try box era. Did you throw
a three favorites in there? Almost. You tried,
you tried your hardest chapter five to one.
What are you talking about? TIS, the law is
going to be my first one, honorary, AP, and
for no other reason other than he kept popping
up. And I just, the name I want to hear. I
want to hear his name being called down the
backstretch and that's King Guillermo. Oh
wow. King Giermo down the back stretch. I
just want that. I just want to hear that.
So I'm gonna throw them in there at the end
22 to one. It's not going to pay all that.
Great. But you know, again, like I said, all
95% of my units are going on to is the law
now, now Malcolm, before you throw out yours
real quick, what do we have to do to name
a horse?
Because I think if we could, and maybe we
can get a Kickstarter going get the audience
to chip in. If we can find a horse and name
M D Jen's only, I think that would be huge
for the brand. Is there like some sad, like
horse that's near the end of its life that
we can buy for? Like, are there real cheap
horses that we can name somewhere? Is it cause
you're you see people who get like a star
named after him for like $20? Santa Anita
has like five grand claiming races. Oh, okay.
Do you know, do you know of any,
Speaker 3 (32m 35s): You could get, you could,
you could pick a hole. I'll tell you what
happens over here. Quite a lot is that they'll
do a competition or a little raffle or something
like that. So the winner gets to name the
horse. Yeah. So either it's often the charity
thing. So everyone pays a fiver or a tenner
and all the money goes to charity and the
pole, your name and you get to name the horse.
So there there's something. Well, yeah, you
could pick one up if, if you just want to
run it once in last place, the silly name.
Speaker 0 (33m 7s): Oh, okay. That's that's
that's gone onto the top of the priority list
above naming a bowl game. DJs only bowl game.
First the horse and then the bowl game. Alright,
Malcolm. Let's do it. What's your, what's
your trifecta. And then do you have a long
shot? You're going to sprinkle on outside
of tos.
Speaker 3 (33m 26s): Okay. Yeah. So Tesla
wins wins by about four lengths. The other
is try to stay with it. Can't stay with it.
They cut each other's throats, fall in a hole
coming down the stretch. And why traffic in
a second place at 25 to one. And I'm going
to take our old favorite max player to defy
stall too. And follow that to him in 30 to
20 to one.
Speaker 0 (33m 50s): Right? Write that down,
Sean. I'm betting this. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (33m 54s): The other one, if you,
if you wanted a ride and it's, it's the horse
coming out with stall one, it's a horse called
Finnick the fierce. It's 50 to one, but it
just has a really good attitude. We talked
before about a genuine horse. This is a genuine
horse. So if the front ones do put each of
their suits and this stuff stay on from the
back, beaten, go and pass beaten horses. Finnick
the fierce they'll stay all day and we'll
pass beaten horses. So that might just
Speaker 0 (34m 22s): Third or fourth at 50
to one, also three letters and it's name.
So would be a part of that money. And last
thing to clean up for lengths, the prediction
for TIS the law. That would be a plus two
25. You can get three to five and three quarters
lens. How the f**k they're going to, why they're
cutting me off in a three quarters who knows?
But that seems like a fun burden. That's a
fun prop as well. Awesome. Well, Malcolm preciate
calling in love all the articles over@sportsgamblingpodcast.com.
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Make sure you give them a follow on Twitter
at mal underscore B underscore sport. Thanks
again, man. And happy racing.
Speaker 3 (35m 2s): Anytime. Always enjoy
it. And I'll speak to you soon.
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Join the join in the sports gambling podcast
network recently with their hit debut podcast
bout that action calling in right now we got
Kyle  and of course Mark mega Tron
glass. Thanks for calling in guys. Hey, happy
to
Speaker 4 (38m 36s): Be on. Thank you for
having us guys.
Speaker 0 (38m 38s): So as has the podcast
fame already gotten to either one of you
Speaker 4 (38m 44s): I'd say definitely Mark's
had a little more than myself so far. He,
I saw him doing his warmups outside the door
before coming in here, but definitely, definitely
an exciting start and exciting space to be
a part of when you say, Oh yeah, definitely
kind. I walked in on me doing some pre podcast
pushups.
Speaker 0 (39m 2s): I was going to ask because
admittedly, you hear the stories about Tom
cruise, where before a big scene, if he's
got his arms out, he does a couple pushups
on the side. You get that pumped. So your,
your veins are popping. You got a nice bicep.
And now that we've switched over to video,
admittedly, I've done the same. I've tried
and tried to cut down on the pre-workout does
horrible things to my stomach, but I'm already,
I'm already thinking of my pregame routine
because NFL Sunday, just around the corner,
we'll be doing our pregame Periscope and you
know, getting, getting, going, talking football
at 9:00 AM, yanked out of my mind out of like
a red bull and a coffee and get like a red
eye, whatever it is.
And then you're cutting it with the whiskey.
So I'm just one of the contributors here at
the sports gambling podcast network that knows
how to just tickle your fancy and bring up
your love of throwing up plates. Shawn's been
very into his arms lately. So I appreciate
you bringing up that. You're also doing a
little bit of working out before the podcast,
because as they say shooters shoot, and you
can't shoot without guns. Baby got to have
some guns wrapped in the second amendment.
All right, guys. So early on just what if
people haven't checked out an episode about
that action?
They definitely should. When I was going to
cause you, you asked them how is being the
podcast. So how has this new life? And of
course they've probably been introduced to
our massive amount of female listeners, all
2% of them. Well, I think, I think we're up
to 3% in some places, depending on, on how
people identify. But yeah, so walk people
through kind of the concept of the podcast
and of course, make sure you go to the sports
gambling podcast network feed, just type that
into Apple podcast, Spotify, wherever podcasts
are found.
And you'll, you'll be hooked for getting those
bout that action episodes. But yeah, just
throw a kind of the, a, the concept behind
the podcast.
Speaker 4 (40m 56s): Of course, basically.
So Mark and I went to school together. We
were roommates, we're playing a good old division,
three soccer at a division three school back
in the day we became good buddies then. And
we both ended up after graduating from college,
going into the sports industry and working
in a couple of different fields there. So
then we kind of reconnected there and, you
know, we always realized we had a pretty fun
chemistry and thought it might be a cool concept
to get in on the whole, you know, the booming
sports gambling industry.
And, and so we sort of created this podcast
where we were able to, you know, share some
inside the industry, you look at
Speaker 5 (41m 34s): Our lives and what it's
like and how fun it is while also, you know,
shooting the s**t, having some fun and given
out some pics.
Speaker 0 (41m 42s): My thoughts on it, Sean,
it's got a little of that fight club vibe,
right? Like we're careful trading. Yeah. These
are the DJs that have infiltrated mainstream,
mainstream official white collar industries.
And they're out there doing the dirty work,
doing the, doing the leg work to spread the
good word about the sports gambling podcast
network. Now, when you're talking about kind
of the sports sports industry, the players,
I mean, I definitely have a feeling that a
lot of these guys involved in the business
also are gamblers.
Do you guys have any, any time where maybe
someone you've worked with or you heard an
agent or you knew a player that was maybe
betting? I mean, I'm sure some of these guys
just go nuts, especially if they're not in
the NFL for the super bowl or whatever. Do
you guys, have you had any experience or hearing
guys talk about the lines at all?
Speaker 5 (42m 32s): Yeah. Let you go ahead.
Go ahead. Yeah. I guess for me, I'm trying
to think I work for an agency, right? So we've
got like really close connections with a number
of different players across a variety of sports.
So I know for them, like, they're actually
not allowed to bet on any kind of sport, even
at like, if you played basketball, you couldn't
bet on football or anything like that. But
I definitely heard some stories of guys like
actually looking at like draft Kings and websites
like that, where they're actually like looking
at themselves as underdogs before they play
games to get five kids speak to if they're
putting money on it though,
Speaker 0 (43m 8s): Pete Rose, he's the only
Baton on him. So baby,
Speaker 5 (43m 11s): I mean, which I think
should be totally legal. I just want to go
Speaker 0 (43m 14s): Well. Yeah. And that
is, that is the cool aspect of a fighters
that fighters in the state of Nevada are allowed
to bet on themselves. And whenever I hear
guys also betting on themselves immediately,
that's who I'm backing, but there isn't, you
just apply the same rules of stock trading.
You just can't bet on yourself more than 24,
48 hours before an event, something like that.
So you see, I, again, it's it. I get it. It
seems as though people always think that if
someone's bedding, they must be doing something
nefarious.
But most people that better just looking for
a little bit of a rush, right? Like these
professional athletes, 25, what are you going
to pay a guy like that to tank nowadays? You're
not, it's not realistic. Sure. Maybe college
kids, we can get down that path, but we can
talk about the Austin Peay long snapper. Cause
that kid, I mean, that kid owed some money
to someone because it's just too horrific,
long snaps in the first college football game
of the season. And they don't, they didn't
even get points out of that. So I don't know
what was going on there, but yeah, that was,
I mean, sometimes you really have to wonder,
and as the Campbell you're paranoid, like,
Oh, are, you know, is there an inside fix?
Is something going on? And then of course
Tim Donaghy comes out and you're like, Oh
yeah, I was right. I was right. There was
some sort of fix going on, but that never
it's hilarious because betting on the NBA
never been more popular after it came out,
then a referee was rigging the games. So even
when you hear that stuff is regular, like,
alright, but I still really like this side.
Speaker 4 (44m 41s): Definitely. And I, I
think with the, the convenience factor that's
coming to it as well, especially when you're
out working these events. I mean, betting
on an event that you're watching live is just,
is just so awesome. So I definitely, especially
with the fight game, you see, you know, tons
of people around the sport, around the media,
whoever it is engaging in this, just cause
it's, it's, it's fun to watch a game on TV
that you bet on, but it's even, can sometimes
be even, even bigger rush when you're there,
you know, watching it live. Can you guys just,
can you guys just picture the Kyle working
like the, the PR side of events, right?
So he's in there with a suit and his credentials
and you gotta be like really calm and controlled.
Like all the people work in the event and
then you just see Kyle just losing his s**t.
Speaker 0 (45m 21s): That reminds me of the
time Sean and Colby embarrassed. The brand
up in Pullman, Washington state were up in
the press room and they just start cheering
like, like savages it's completely dead quiet.
And then I just do that. Yeah. We got, I had
a decent amount of cash on Washington state.
The guy throws a 40 yard bomb down the center
of the field. I just get up in the booth.
I'm like, yeah, let's go home. And then they
come over. They're like, there's no cheering.
I'm like, I'm not cheering the players. I'm
sharing my bed, but apparently that's not
allowed either.
So yeah. All right guys, Kentucky Derby, we
just had our Kentucky Derby guy on. He broke
down. I mean, Malcolm's great. English dude
really seems to know his horses. He's coming
off successfully given out the trifecta. He
did admit he didn't come prepared with c**k
lengths of horses disappointed. So unfortunately
we didn't get that depth of analysis, but
do you guys have any thoughts? Are you guys
throwing anything on the Derby this weekend?
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (46m 20s): Some, some of the stuff
I've got in mind, I think I'm sure you guys
talked a bit about TIS the law and, and, and
how big a favorite it is this year. I'm going
to play some exact as with TIS lawn mind.
I'm going to play an exactly what TIS the
law and major fed. Who's a 50 to one, a TIS,
the law and thousand words. I like thousand
words. That's a Bob, Baffert her horse. It's
one of those late blooming horses that could
maybe benefit from the, the race being pushed
to later in the year. So I'm going to play
one with that also going to play on with authentic
TIS the lawn authentic.
That's another Bob Baffert horse. The second
one in the field that one has only lost to
honor AP in the San Anita Derby, which was
actually, I was actually one of the few people
who got to be at the Santa Anita Derby this
year. I was there working it. And it was,
it was crazy. I mean, I mean, I'm sure you
can imagine it was a pretty spooky, but, but
cool. A cool thing to witness with such a
huge, you know, such huge stands and a huge
track and no one there, but I was there to
watch that race. So I'm going to have that.
I'm also going to play a couple exact days
with honor AP winning.
I'll take on our AP and TIS the law and one
on our AP and thousand in one on our AP and
major fed in one as well. And then lastly
for me, I like FIN-ACK the fierce as my long
shot. Ooh. Yeah. It's got a great story. This
horse he's, he has one eyeball and he was
originally purchased for $3,000, which is
stupid cheap for a race horse. I just like
the story here. I think it'd be really funny
thing. This horse has come back from, you
know, lots of adversity and I liked the idea
of a horse that's half blind, just kinda running
to the front and winning a race.
So I'm gonna take that as my long shot.
Speaker 0 (48m 1s): Awesome. Cause we were
talking to Malcolm, I said, what do we got
to do to buy a horse and, and name it, name
it hashtag DJs only. And he's like, yeah,
you can probably find, I didn't know. FIN-ACK
was only 3000, which by the way, also three
words, which if you're betting the, will the
winner have three words minus one 90. Oh yeah.
Here's the law and, and the long shot there.
So Mark, do you have any, you got any action
for the Kentucky Derby this weekend
Speaker 4 (48m 30s): Action. Yes. Advisable
action. Definitely not. Hey, that's the theme
here at the podcast. I always say on our show
that I'm extremely honest in what I know and
what I don't know. And what I don't know is,
is horses and how to measure their athleticism.
So I just go based off the odds, I've got
authentic to win at eight.
Speaker 0 (48m 50s): Ooh, nice. Yeah. I threw
authentic in my try box. So that'll be fun
if they ended up, you know, Sean people thought
you were crazy when you called out country
house last year. So anything is possible here.
The, around the short track of Churchill downs,
man. And it's, it's really a shame cause Kentucky
Derby, besides being just a fun event, it's
one of the all time parties. Oh yeah. Wes
Welker was there last year, taking ecstasy
with kid rock or whatever that story was.
And you know, there's always a little bit
of a wildness at these and it's funny cause
people, they get, they get dressed up in those
fancy clothes and then, you know, are like
just slamming, slamming mint juleps and doing
God knows what else.
One of the, you know, back when I was growing
up on the East coast, one of the major, like
it was considered one of the biggest party
events of all time was the Preakness. Like
people would frats would go down and, and
just party there and go nuts. And I remember
hearing a story, this one girl, they were
partying there all day. I think she went to
like Del Val or some like really crappy college
and to go to Pennsylvania, it's it's not good.
And they're just going hard the entire day.
The Preakness, I think, is where they do the
outhouse races, where people get on the top
of the outhouses in Braun and people, fire
beers at them and try and knock them down
anyway, completely wild day.
And as they're going ready to go into to watch
the race, they say to the one girl, they're
like, okay, come on, let's go watch the horse's
race. And she just goes, what they're horses?
She had no idea. There was a horse race going
on. She was there just to, just for the part,
a former neighbor of mine. She was kind of
in the entertainment industry and she would
go to work the conductor, work a show in the
area and ended up always being there for the
Kentucky Derby. And one of her observations
is that if you are at all in like the privileged
crowd with the access quote, unquote, it's
really hard to not get blackout drunk because
all of the whiskey, all of the whiskey that
is there and Kentucky, like people are just
pouring whiskey down your throat.
So I could only imagine the stories like there
must be just tons of f*****g rich guys, you
know, hashtag me tooling and closets. And
there is a there's Hunter as Thompson went
and covered it one year and just like went
on a Epic, like kind of departure run as you'd
imagine. I think he had like an ether rag
going in the Kentucky Derby press Fox. So
that's a great read if you ever come across
it. What about you guys? Any, any great like
tailgating, partying going nuts before a sporting
event?
Speaker 5 (51m 27s): Oh yeah. I'm sure we've
got a lot of that. I actually was just thinking
about you reminded me, but we had, so we played
soccer in college and we had this assistant
coach who was this complete degenerate, both
in a gambling and a drinking sense. Like this
guy was like a division one, all American,
supposed to go pro. And he just burned out
cause he drank way too much. But I remember
he looked me in the eyes with zero context
around, like I must've been like a sophomore.
So I'm assuming like 19 years old, he looked
at me and he said, Mark, there's two things
you have to do in life.
He said in life, he said, what's that coach?
You said you got to visit an old miss sorority
house and you, and you have to go to the Kentucky
Derby. Wow. He said that. I don't know why
I didn't explain.
Speaker 0 (52m 13s): Well, honestly, Sean,
I don't know how I feel about the Omega sorority
house now that were hashed Hale state. Yeah.
Mississippi state state fans now. But yeah,
Vegas guys. I want to know what happened at
the sorority house and the Kentucky Derby
to this man that those are the two things.
Well, one of my buddies in, in standup always
had a great routine where he was, he goes
guys, just rate, travel places on whether
or not they got laid there or not. He goes,
it could be the most random place, but in
their mind, it's awesome. Cause they got laid
there like, Oh man, you've never been to Cincinnati.
Cincinnati is a good time. Like, he's just,
he's just remembering this Chickie hooked
up with three years ago. But like attaches
it to some random food and p***y to two vectors
for rating. Well, and while we're kind of
in this territory talking tailgating stories,
what are the great tailgate stories I had
of all time? It was at giant stadium. It actually
wasn't for a, a, a giants game. It was, it
was senior year in high school. And we went
to a Dave Matthews concert, which I'm, I'm
probably dating myself there.
But, and you know, Dave Matthews like legendary
tailgating saying, not that there's anything
wrong with that. No. And my buddy who drove
us there, he was reaching into the cooler
of a back seat or, or no, it was in the trunk.
He was going to grab a beer. And another one
of my friends wasn't paying attention. He
had just grabbed a beer. Didn't think anything
about it and slam the trunk door on the kid's
head, busts open, it's bleeding everywhere.
This is like 30 minutes before we're supposed
to walk in and, and Meadowland stadium, he's
bleeding everywhere.
The guy who slammed the trunk just like went
into the show D barely apologize. And you
know, this is my buddy and also my ride home.
So I'm like, all right, dude, we gotta get
you. We take him to a, an ambulance that was
like an EMT that was there. And they're like,
Oh, we gotta take you in. So they drive us
into the city, go over the bridge into the
city, stitch him up. And then the ambulance
is like, well, what do you want to do? And
we're like, well, let's get back to Meadowland
stadium. They drive us through the stadium
onto the field. And so we had horrible tickets,
but instead we get all like floor level seats.
They just drive us to, with the ambulance
we get out and I s**t, you not like 20 minutes
later, my buddy in one hand is smoking a joint
and the other, like holding his bandage on
the back side of his head. It was an old timer.
Speaker 5 (54m 39s): I know, I know Kramer.
I know you're a big, a big giants fan. That
would have been a cool, cool way to see, see
Jason, Garrett. But Mark Mark's had a good,
a good Jason Garrett interaction. Me and Jason
are boys
Speaker 0 (54m 55s): Really now. So Jason
Garrett, he's a, he's a fun guy. He's watching
some Princeton field hockey together. So for
us to make fun of, but you got, you got to
hang with Jason Garrett. What was that like?
Speaker 5 (55m 6s): Oh, it was pretty funny.
I will. I mean, from my perspective, he probably
hated it, but it was a, what year? It was
2017, like around like March, 2017. We were,
we were still in college and I was an intern
for an NFL agency down there. It's like how
I got my start in the sports business and
they represented Jason Garrett. This was like
2017. I think he was just coming off like
his coach of the year award.
Speaker 0 (55m 28s): Yeah. They were 13 and
three. That in 2000.
Speaker 5 (55m 30s): Yeah. Yeah. So that was
like, when it was cool to see Jason Garrett
Speaker 0 (55m 36s): That one year where it
was cool,
Speaker 5 (55m 38s): But so we ha they have
every year, the agency hosts his big party,
right. Where all the athletes come in and
like all the coaches and execs, they represent,
it's like a big charity thing. And everyone
just gets hammered for like a weekend. Like
there's like, there's like a all day party,
like golf tailgate party at night, it's down.
And it's down in Dana point at like one of
the hotels owned by the Ritz Carlton. Super
sweet. And so I go there at the party on like
the Saturday night, which is like the big
headline event. They had Jim Kelly there.
Right. Absolute legend of the game.
He gave a speech and he was hanging out and
he was talking to Jason Garrett, like just
the two of them, nothing crazy. And so me
as like the college intern idiot, I'm like,
I gotta go chop it up with these guys. So
I go up to the bartender. I'm like, Hey, I
need to get a bottle of patroned the bartender's
like, I can't give you that. I'm like, should
I say, I say, I'm the assistant of the president
of the com of the company that is hosting
this, which was actually kind of true. And
I was like, and he needs that bottle of Patrona
right now. Like, we'll cover the cost of it
later. So the guy gives it to me.
Somehow. I walk up to Jim Kelly and Jason
Garrett. I don't want to use it. My boss's
name, a calm I'll call him the president.
But I was like, I was like, Hey, the president
wants you guys to, to take these. I got like
two shot glasses at bottle of Patrone and
Jim, Jim Kelly looks at me and he's like,
he's like, he does. I'm like, yeah. He's like,
he's like, he, he knows that I don't drink
because he's obviously gone through a cancer
and stuff. He doesn't drink at all. I'm like,
f**k. So I, so, so Jason's got the shot glass
in his hand, like poured Jim.
Kelly's got his in his hand. He's like, I'm
not going to drink this. Jason Garrett just
rips his grabs. Jim Kelly's rips that one
too. I look at him in awe. I pull straight
out of the bottle. I just give it, I just,
I let it gesture over to give it to Jason
Garrett. And he actually grabbed it and started
drinking out of it straight from the bottle
winced. And he was like, and he looked at
me and he was like, he was like, every year
he f*****g does this to me.
Speaker 0 (57m 35s): Oh, that's awesome. More
stuff. More news coming to light, Sean, that's
going to make you harder and harder. Oh, this
New York giants team all rise. Jason, Garrett,
Poland from the petroleum bottle, like a man.
Wow. I love that story.
Speaker 5 (57m 53s): That's the thing we've
got to consider a Jason Garrett though, is
that he was a lifetime backup quarterback.
Am I not? Am I right about that? Yeah. Yeah.
So I mean back of quarterback there, those
guys probably drank more than anybody.
Speaker 0 (58m 4s): Yeah. They're the coolest
guys to hang out with. Cause they're there.
They still have that quarterback swagger.
They just don't really give a s**t cause they
know they're not getting in the game. It's
a perfect combo.
Speaker 5 (58m 14s): All right. Get back up.
Troy Aikman. So he's all good.
Speaker 0 (58m 18s): We're gonna, we're gonna
wrap things up with a couple of your guys'
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It is the NFL and not going to let you guys
go without giving us just one, one a hot take
one big surprise. Just one bold prediction
for the NFL from you, Kyle, and then Mark.
It can't be, the giants are gonna win. The
NFC. Ryan has locked down that prediction.
So any other, any other bold predictions,
let's get them on record here. Put your guys
a feet to the flame a little bit. Okay.
Speaker 4 (59m 23s): As a, a former San Diego
charger fan, as a kid who grew up in San Diego,
I got to watch Philip Rivers for quite a few
years. Just struggle, struggle. Be a good
quarterback, just struggled to get, get to
that final playoff push and really get anywhere
significant. I think now that he's in Indianapolis,
they're going to have a good year. That's
my, that's my vague, but, but prediction for
that, I think Philip Rivers needed, he needed
a change of scenery. Big fan of the guy. I
think he's going to have a good first year.
The Colts have a lot of new fans in Southern
California. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (59m 57s): There you go. Super chargers.
Speaker 4 (59m 60s): All right. So we'll put
you down for over on the Colts. Wind. Tony
Martin. Yeah. I'll take it Mark. What's your,
what's your bold prediction for this 2020
NFL season a bold, do you want me to go, go
bold, go bold, go Jason. Garrett bull. Wait,
hold on. Don't go more than that. But more
than that, you have to edit that out. People
may construe that as some sort of compliment
to Jason Garrett. I'm going Washington football
team bold.
Oh no. I'm going Dwayne Haskins MVP. Dwayne
Haskins MVP just got named the starter today.
Shout out, shout out to Ohio state for no
reason. I have no affiliation. They got a
defense. I'm going Redskins. Oh, not Redskins
former Redskins. There you go. Whoops to the
Superbowl, but they lose. Wow. Wow. More heartbreak
for the Washington football team. I liked
that. He went, he, he spit in the face of
my giants, win the division in a different
kind of way.
I love really coming outside the box. All
right. Wow. That was awesome. Guys. Thank
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I'm sure when the Redskins get to the super
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Right? Right. Thanks for having us on. Thanks
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