Well, I am back to Imran Hussein again.
Last time, I debunked his claim that 'Richard
Dawkins was okay with rape'; today's response
is to his video titled 'Why Atheists Need
God To Argue Against God, Crazy Paradox!'
Before we start, once you have watched this
video and enjoyed it: please leave me a like.
That being said, let's jump into it.
This 
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not a complete straw man fallacy, and I do
see some similarity.
His whole premise starts with 'most atheist
is because of the evil and suffering in the
world.'; well, first of all, is that even
true?
Let's clarify something first. 'Turning away
from God' is not the same as 'Not believing
in God'.
At times, after a tragedy, we see people blaming
God, and most of the time the conversation
goes like 'Oh, God. How could you be so unjust?
Why would you do this to me/us? I will not
believe in you any more. You are dead to me
God'.
Silly example, but you get the gist. That
is like breaking off with your ex-girlfriend
and not talking to her any more.
Why do people become atheist? Well, the same
way people become religious.
You are born; then you grow up; while growing
up, you learn things like 'Earth is a globe',
'We landed on Moon', and 'We all evolved from
a single-celled organism'. You get introduced
to new information, and only your logical
mind that would develop over time would help
you ascertain the value.
In a Muslim family, a kid from birth is been
told of Allah; a Christian family would talk
about Jesus and Easter bunny; Hindu's have
a lot of really neat idols. That is how you
indoctrinate your group: get them while they
are young.
How did I become Atheist; well, technically,
I prefer the term 'Agnostic'; well it's easier
to spell. Well, in seriousness, the only real
difference is 'Atheist doesn't believe in
a divine being' where 'Agnostics neither believes
nor disbelieves: we simply say there is no
proof in this divine being, and almost improbable
for such being to exists.'
So become an Agnostic. I grew up in a semi-practicing
Muslim household; 'Semi' because my Dad would
go to the mosque twice a year; and Mom would
maybe prey three times a year. They were both
doctors in London Hospital.
My dad was also an author: all that cumulated
to me growing up amongst various books; from
literature to science to history... you name
it; I grew up as an introverted book worm
and a fast reader. I was bitten by the reading
bug, and soon was spending all my time in
different libraries.
I think the catalyst was a movie out of all
things: Inherit the Wind. Watching that lead
to 'origin of species'. There were books on
fossil and my favourite was a Russian Math
book that explained how Noah's Ark is not
possible as it is described in many religious
books: more on this later.
So personally, I didn't become atheist because
of suffering; like most other people, I got
introduced to new information; and my logical
mind leaned towards science versus a belief.
One more tangent before we move on. This is
my personal story: my ex-wife is Muslim, and
well, I'm not. So at one time we came to an
understanding that we both will teach our
little one our own way: well, that it till
she negated on that deal.
Anyway, her way is the standard doctrine;
you are Muslim; Allah is the only God.
Me? well, I'm not an asshole; well most of
the time I'm not. I got into the habit of
reading to her at bedtime, even when she was
too young. And I read from my favourite book
'World Mythology'. I am talking about the
uncut uncensored version; where the great
king Yudhishthira, whose chariot would always
float above ground as he was so righteous
and later ascended to heaven with his mortal
body, had bet his wife Draupadi over a game
of pasha. Oh by the way, Draupadi was shared
between five brothers, though she loved the
third one the most. Heracles was not the cut-down
Disney Hercules, but the ravage warrior that
killed off entire village of Amazonian woman.
Of course I censored it while reading to make
it a lot more palatable. And it also had a
bunch of flood stories; if you ever read the
world mythology, you would see many similar
stories being told in Abrahamic religion;
it's almost as if existing stories and rituals
were kept to appease the newly converted.
I might be wrong though (being sarcastic)
So Imran, I find your claim highly unlikely.
Now, would you give us a source, or is it
one of those belief things?
This
is what I find most frighting is some of you
religious people base your morality on your
belief.
Well, suppose your Abrahamic God is true;
so that includes all the Christians, Jews
and Muslims. Yes, I know you guys have lot
of differences, but that pales in comparison
to the nutty things you agree on; starting
from the creation myth to some of the prophets.
Now, even if this God is real, I refuse to
bow down to him. We are talking about an egotistical
being with half of the commandments given
to his creation is all about himself.
This sadist know-all being; orchestrated the
stage, knowing full well what will happen.
He puts Adam and Eve in the same garden with
that damn apple tree. Does that not sound
like entrapment?
This being wanted a father to sacrifice his
own child. This supremely all powerful all
loving god floods the entire planet and kill
every single living being including infants...
except the ones in that impossible Ark;
This is the supreme being that will put the
believers in Heaven; and people like me will
burn in hell not because we were evil; oh
no, because we didn't believe.
Your god is the ultimate clout chaser. The
bully who would burn you in hell because you
didn't subscribe to his channel, and liked
his videos. This is the being you derive your
moral guidance from?
Well, thanks... I guess I'll pass. I'll give
him the middle finger, not because the suffering,
but because this whole thing is a sadistic
twisted game to him.
Instead, I make my moral decision mostly on
society norm and what we have learned from
our past mistakes.
I don't need a god to know that murder is
evil, in most cases. Before someone goes all
crazy: if you had a chance to kill Hitler
and stop world-war, would you do it. Enough
said.
Our social and natural evolution taught us
to care about our fellow beings. So how I
feel about the hungry kids dying every day:
it's because they are me, and I am them.
Same with war: we all should want a world
where instead of spending trillions on warfare,
we use that to feed every single people on
this planet. No god needed.
How about people without moral? Well, do you
know why most people don't go out looting
most of the time. Because of repercussions.
We have laws in our society, and we punish
those or try to, when some o ne breaks it.
During the recent rioting, we have witnessed
a lot of looting. Now, someone like me looks
at it and thinks 'because the looters think
they will get away with it.'
What do you think? Do you suppose every single
of them were Atheist? If not, then some of
them are religious; what happened to the morality
at that time.
Of course there are people who wouldn't cause
harm because of Religion. Same way, some of
us Atheist wouldn't cause harm, because of...
well principle. There is no paradox here.
But at the end of the day, we are all human
and we are all different. History have shown
us over and over again that law of the society
is what keeps the world in check... well,
you can do the same thing with religion to
some extent; then again, you can do the same
thing with an authoritarian government. So
that's not much of a statement, is it?
Regardless, how you try to destroy the point
after misrepresenting the facts: it is still
a fallacy.
That's all for this video. Thank you for watching,
and I hope you enjoyed it. In that case, can
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Have a safe day. Signing off.
