CNN HAS OFFICIALLY FIRED
JEFFREY LORD AFTER HE MADE A
NAZI SALUTE ON TWITTER IN
RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT OF
MEDIA MATTERS, WHO HE ACCUSES OF
BEING A FASCIST.
INTERESTINGLY
ENOUGH, LORD WAS SPEAKING TO A
REPORTER FROM PENN LIVE AND
DURING THEIR CONVERSATION HE GOT
A PHONE CALL, AND IT WAS FROM
STEVE BANNON.
IN FACT THE
REPORTER SAID THAT LORD LOOKED
AT HIS PHONE, SAW THE CALLER ID,
AND SAID --
IT'S LIKE IF I GET A PHONE
CALL FROM CENK, IT'S CENK UYGUR.
OR WHATEVER.
IT'S "K", ACTUALLY.
CENK
K. UYGUR.
IT'S ANAHIT M.
KASPARIAN.
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BRING UP
THAT TERRIBLE MIDDLE NAME?
BANNON REPORTEDLY CALLED LORD TO
SHOW SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE HIM
TO KEEP FIGHTING, OBVIOUSLY HE'S
VERY SUPPORTIVE OF LORD, WHO IS
AND AGGRESSIVE TRUMP SUPPORTER
AND HAS BEEN ON CNN --
HE DOES HAVE A BOOK IN THE
WORKS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, AND IT
SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A LOT OF
INTEREST IN THAT, SO I'M SURE HE
WILL BE FINE, I'M SURE THERE ARE
MEDIA OUTLETS AND ORGANIZATIONS
ON THE RIGHT THAT ARE STUMBLING
UPON EACH OTHER TRYING TO HIRE
HIM NOW.
SLIGHT DISAGREEMENT WITH YOU,
ANA.
JEFFREY LORD IS NOT GOING
TO BE FINE.
HE WILL HAVE A
LITTLE BIT OF A HALO EFFECT HERE
AS PEOPLE STILL REMEMBER HIM
BECAUSE HE WAS JUST ON CABLE
NEWS NONSTOP FOR THE LAST YEAR
OR MORE, AND SO HE WILL GET THE
BOOK DEAL AND HE WILL GET 1000
INTERVIEWS -- OH MY GOD, ARE YOU
OKAY, YOU ARE SUCH A VICTIM --
BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK CNN
SHOULD HAVE FIRED HIM, WE TALKED
ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY, AT LEAST
NOT FOR WHAT HE JUST DID HEAR.
BUT THEN PEOPLE WILL START TO
FORGET ABOUT HIM, AND THEN TRUMP
WILL BE OUT OF OFFICE, AND TWO
AND HALF YEARS FROM NOW SOMEONE
WILL SAY JEFFREY LORD AND
EVERYBODY ELSE ON A PANEL LIKE
THIS WILL GO, WHO WAS THAT?
OH,
RIGHT.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT
GUY?
TOTALLY.
AND THE OTHER THING
ABOUT JEFFREY LORD IS NO ONE
KNEW WHAT HE CAME FROM.
NOBODY
KNOWS WHAT HE WAS BEFORE HE GOT
THERE.
IF PAUL BEGALA GOT FIRED YOU
COULD SAY OH HE HAS THIS
HISTORY IN DEMOCRATIC POLITICS,
HE WILL RESURFACE BECAUSE
OF HIS PEDIGREE.
JEFFREY LORD, NO ONE KNOWS WHERE
HE CAME FROM OR HOW THEY
CREATED HIM.
AND IN THIS ARTICLE WHERE THIS
LOCAL PENNSYLVANIA PUBLICATION
IS TALKING WITH HIM, HE
APPARENTLY LIVES WITH HIS MOTHER
IN THE MIDDLE OF PENNSYLVANIA,
HE WENT BACK THERE -- GOD LESS
TAKING CARE OF HIS MOM, THAT'S A
GREAT THING, BUT, LIKE, HE JUST
KIND OF CAME OUT OF THE BASEMENT
AND I THINK HE WILL GO BACK INTO
ONE.
THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE.
I WANT TO JUMP BACK TO WHAT
STARTED ALL THIS DRAMA WITH HIM
GETTING FIRED.
HE GETS INTO THIS
VERY PUBLIC TWITTER BEEF WITH
THE HEAD OF MEDIA MATTERS, AND
HE IS ACCUSING MEDIA MATTERS OF
TRYING TO SHUT DOWN SPEECH THAT
DISAGREES WITH THE LIBERAL
PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS NOT THE
CASE.
SO HE'S ANGRY BECAUSE
MEDIA MATTERS IS GOING AFTER
SEAN HANNITY SPECIFICALLY, AND
THE REASON WHY THEY ARE GOING
AFTER HANNITY IS BECAUSE HE
PUSHED INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS AND
RIDICULOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES
ON HIS SHOW.
THAT'S NOT TRYING
TO SHUT DOWN OPINIONS YOU
DISAGREE WITH, THAT'S ABOUT
HOLDING SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN
THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY SHARING
RIDICULOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES
THAT, AS WE HAVE EXPERIENCED
WITH PIZZA-GATE, COULD LEAD TO
DANGEROUS CONSEQUENCES.
THE
RIGHT WING IS ALWAYS TALKING
ABOUT HOW LIBERALS ARE
COMPLAINING ABOUT VICTIMHOOD --
NO, YOU GUYS ARE THE VICTIMS.
NOBODY IS TRYING TO SHUT DOWN
YOUR SPEECH.
WHEN YOU SAY
RIDICULOUS THINGS PEOPLE CAN
RESPOND IN A FREE-SPEECH MANNER
AND CRITICIZE IT.
IF YOU DON'T
LIKE THE CRITICISM STOP BEING
SUCH A SNOWFLAKE.
MEDIA MATTERS IS NOT THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT.
THEY COUNTER WHAT
THEY THINK IS RIDICULOUS SPEECH,
THEY HAVE COUNTERED GLENN BECK
AND SEAN HANNITY, THEY CERTAINLY
GET TO DO IT -- BUT ARE THEY
TARGETING PROGRESSIVE SPEAKERS?
NO, THEY ARE TARGETING
CONSERVATIVE SPEAKERS.
BUT ON
THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU SAY CRAZY
STUFF, WHAT DO YOU WANT?
YOU
DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO BE
REWARDED FOR IT.
FOR EXAMPLE,
ALEX JONES SAYS INSANE STUFF DAY
IN AND DAY OUT, THE GAY FROGS,
80% PAID 80% GORILLA 80% HUMAN
ENTITIES, ETC.
WHAT ARE YOU
GOING TO DO, SAY WALMART, YOU
MUST ADVERTISE WITH ALEX JONES?
GOING AFTER ADVERTISERS, I HAVE
SOME MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THAT.
I'M SO TORN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I
FEEL LIKE YES OF COURSE
CONSERVATIVES SHOULD BE ALLOWED
TO HAVE THEIR OWN OUTLET, IT'S
AMERICA --
NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT THEY
SHOULDN'T, NO ONE IS SAYING
CONSERVATIVE PERSPECTIVES
SHOULDN'T BE SHARED WITH THE
PUBLIC, NO ONE IS GOING AFTER
BREITBART SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY
SHARE THE CONSERVATIVE
PERSPECTIVE.
BUT IF YOU ARE
SHARING CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT
COULD LEAD TO SOMETHING
DANGEROUS HAPPENING, THEN I
THINK IT'S COMPLETE DEFINE FOR
PEOPLE TO HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE CASE
FOR THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.
THEY
SAY SOMEONE IS ATTACKING MY
FREE-SPEECH -- NO ONE IS
ATTACKING YOUR FREE-SPEECH,
PEOPLE CAN SPEAK OUT ABOUT WHAT
THEY THINK IS WRONG, AND I THINK
THE SETH RICH CONSPIRACY
THEORIES, THE PIZZA-GATE
THEORIES, ALL OF THOSE THEORIES
HAVE ACTUAL RAMIFICATIONS.
I KNOW, THESE ARE ALL TOUGH
ISSUES, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY
CONSPIRACY THEORY, A LOT OF
PEOPLE CAN THROW A TON OF STUFF
IN THERE.
FROM THE MOST
OUTRAGEOUS, HORRIFIC THINGS LIKE
THE SANDY HOOK CONSPIRACY ALEX
JONES PUSHES, TO THE JFK MURDER.
WELL, MOST PEOPLE THINK JFK WAS
NOT SHOT BY LEE HARVEY OSWALD.
SHOULD WE PULL THEIR
ADVERTISING?
TO YOU THINK MOST PEOPLE THINK
THAT?
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, I HAVE
NOT SEEN THE POLLING.
A 23-YEAR-OLD YOU WOULD ASK
RIGHT NOW WAS BORN IN 1994 --
OF COURSE, IT'S A HISTORICAL
EVENT.
ANYWAY THAT'S A MUCH MORE
OPEN QUESTION.
AGAIN WE ARE IN
THE WEEDS, IT'S NOT AS CLEAN-CUT
-- TO ME, SAYING OPENLY
DISCRIMINATORY STUFF IS WORSE,
BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.
FOR
EXAMPLE STEVE BANNON HAD A SHOW
ON SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO, ON
THAT SHOW HE WAS TALKING TO
DONALD TRUMP ON THE CAMPAIGN, HE
WAS SAYING THERE ARE TOO MANY
ASIANS AND INDIANS RUNNING
SILICON VALLEY FIRMS, EVEN TRUMP
THINKS THAT'S A LITTLE TOO
RACIST SO HE SAID THAT'S OKAY,
THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL.
HE THINKS
WHICH IS GOOD.
AND BANNON SAYS
NO, THEY DON'T SHARE OUR
CULTURE.
THAT IS OPENLY RACIST
AGAINST ASIANS AND INDIANS.
SO
SOMEHOW THAT'S OKAY BUT YOU DO
THE SETH RICH CONSPIRACY AND YOU
HAVE TO LOSE YOUR SHOW?
BY THE
WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOSE
YOUR SHOW, IT'S UP TO
ADVERTISERS AND THE PUBLIC.
YOU DON'T THINK JEFFREY LORD
SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED?
NOT FOR THIS.
HE WAS NOT
SAYING SIEG HEIL LIKE GLORIFYING
THEM, HE WAS SAYING YOU ARE A
NAZI.
SHOULD KATHY GRIFFIN HAVE BEEN
FIRED BY CNN?
THESE ARE HARD QUESTIONS.
I THOUGHT WHAT SHE DID WAS
TERRIBLE AND OVER THE LINE.
SHE'S A COMEDIAN, WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT JEFFREY LORD IS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S EVEN TOUGHER.
IT CERTAINLY WASN'T FUNNY, AND
YOUR JOB IS TO BE A COMEDIAN,
YOU HAVE REVOLTED A LOT OF OUR
AUDIENCE, BUT SHOULD THAT BE THE
JUDGE?
THESE ARE NOT EASY
QUESTIONS.
BUT THE ONE THING WE
ALL AGREE ON IS MEDIA MATTERS IS
NOT THE GOVERNMENT, CNN IS NOT
THE GOVERNMENT, THEY GET TO SET
POLICY FOR THEIR OWN
ORGANIZATIONS, AND THIS IS THE
DECISION CNN MADE, AND YES, ANA,
ANOTHER THING YOU ARE
OVERWHELMINGLY RIGHT ABOUT IS
THEY LOVE BEING VICTIMS.
IT'S JUST LIKE THE WHOLE
COLLEGE THING, AND HOW COLLEGES
WON'T LET ME GO AND SPEAK --
WHICH, BY THE WAY, I WILL ALWAYS
BE ON THE SIDE OF WHOEVER IT IS
THAT WANTS TO GO ON THE COLLEGE
CAMPUS TO GIVE THE SPEECH, I
DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE A MEMBER
OF THE ALT-RIGHT, CONSERVATIVE,
LIBERAL, PROGRESSIVE, YOU SHOULD
BE ABLE TO GO SHARE YOUR IDEAS,
FREE MARKET PLACE OF IDEAS,
THAT'S WHAT A COLLEGE CAMPUS IS
SUPPOSED TO BE -- BUT I GOT
DENIED.
I GOT NOMINATED BY
STUDENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
COLORADO BOULDER, AND THE SCHOOL
BOARD DECIDED YOU KNOW WHAT?
EVEN THOUGH OUR STUDENTS VOTED
TO HAVE ANA GO THERE AND SPEAK,
WE DON'T LIKE WHAT SHE SAYS
ABOUT TRUMP SO WE WILL VETO IT.
BUT I DON'T GO AROUND CRYING AND
WHINING ABOUT IT AND ARGUING
THAT UNIVERSITY SHOULD LOSE ITS
FUNDING BECAUSE OF WHAT THE
BOARD DID TO ME.
I DON'T
VICTIMIZE MYSELF.
SO I WANT THE
SAME KIND OF BEHAVIOR FROM
CONSERVATIVES, ESPECIALLY WHEN
THEY ARE CONSTANTLY POINTING
FINGERS AT THE LEFT THING WE ARE
THE REAL SNOWFLAKES.
WHAT MOTIVATES THEM IS
VICTIMIZATION ANYWAY.
THEIR COUNTRY IS BEING TAKEN
AWAY FROM THEM, THEY PLAY
VICTIM FROM THE VERY BEGINNING
AND THAT IS WHAT STARTS ALL OF
IT, THEY ARE TAKING MY COUNTRY
AWAY FROM ME, I'M A VICTIM.
ONE MORE THING ON THE
HYPOCRISY -- DO THEY STICK UP
FOR PROGRESSIVES LIKE YOU WHO
ARE NOT ALLOWED ON COLLEGE
CAMPUSES?
OF COURSE THEY DON'T.
BECAUSE THERE IS SOME
CONSERVATIVE DOUCHEBAG ON A
BOARD SOMEWHERE?
NO, THEY LOVE
THAT.
IF A PROTESTER DOES
VIOLENCE THEY ARE AGAINST IT, IF
THE STATE DOES VIOLENCE THEY
LOVE IT.
WHEN PROTESTERS SHUT
DOWN SPEECH, THEY LOVE IT.
WHEN
COLIN KAEPERNICK MAKES A
POLITICAL STATEMENT WE SAY IT'S
OKAY, EVERYONE'S GOING TO LIVE,
YOU SHOULD LET HIM DO THAT --
THE OTHER SIDE, HOW DARE YOU?
HE
SAID SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE!
WHAT HAPPENED TO FREEDOM OF
SPEECH?
YOU GUYS ARE UTTER
FRAUDS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE
SHOULD COPY THEM, WE SHOULD BE
AS PRINCIPLED AS WE CAN BE,
THESE ARE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS
DISCUSSION AND A LITTLE DEBATE,
WE DON'T ALL AGREE ON EXACTLY
WHERE THE LINE SHOULD BE DRAWN,
AND FINALLY, ONE MORE THING FOR
YOU CONSERVATIVES -- THE
MARKETPLACE.
YOU LOVE THAT?
DON'T WORRY, SOON THE
MARKETPLACE WILL SPEAK
ABOUT JEFFREY LORD.
MY GUESS IS IT WON'T HAVE GOOD
NEWS FOR HIM.
