OPTIMISTIC LANGUAGE  FROM 
PRESIDENT TRUMP.  
AND ALSO TESTIFYING AND DR. 
ROBERT REDFIELD AND FDA 
COMMISSIONER AND HEALTH AND 
HUMAN SERVICES ASSISTANT 
SECRETARY.  
THIS WILL BE A HEARING UNLIKE 
ANY WE HAVE SEEN WITH ALL FOUR 
WITNESSES AND MANY MEMBERS OF 
THE SENATE COMMITTEE ITSELF 
APPEARING REMOTELY BY VIDEO 
CONFERENCE, ZOOM, A PRECAUTION 
THAT IS ALL-TOO FAMILIAR WITH 
THE PANDEMIC.  
AS WE A WAIT THE HEARING.  
LET'S GO RIGHT NOW.  
THIS IS A CHAIRMAN LE MAR 
ALEXANDER. 
>> THE GOVERNOR IS TESTING 
EVERY PRISONER AND SXRNT STAFF 
MEMBER IN THE NURSING HOMES AND 
OFFERED WEEKEND LIVE FREE 
TESTING AND SENT SPECIFIC OUT 
REACH FOR TESTING TO LOW INCOME 
COMMUNITIES.  
A TENNESSEEAN CAN GET A FREE 
TEST AT THE LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH 
DEPARTMENT.  
THE GOVERNOR LEE SEPTEMBER THE 
TESTING GOALS TO THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT AS EVERY STATE HAS 
DONE.  
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS HELPING 
HIM MAKE SURE HE HAS ENOUGH 
SUPPLIES IN CASE HE HAS TROUBLE 
GET IT THROUGH THE LABS AND THE 
OTHER COMMERCIAL SOURCES.  
AS A RESULT, OUR STATE HAS 
TESTED ABOUT 4% OF THE 
POPULATION.  
GOVERNOR HOPES TO INCREASE THAT 
BY 7% IN MAY.  
THAT'S WUFT BEST  ONE OF THE 
BEST IN THE COUNTRY.  
THIS PRESENT LEVEL OF TESTING 
IS OFFICIAL WE BELIEVE IN PHASE 
1.  AS I SAID LAST WEEK, IT'S 
NOT NEARLY ENOUGH TO PROVIDE 
CONFIDENCE TO 31,000 FACULTY 
AND STUDENTS THAT WE HOPE UP TO 
SHOW UP AT THE UNIVERSITY OF 
TENNESSEE CAMPUS IN AUGUST WHEN 
SCHOOL STARTS.  
LAST WEEK I TALKED WITH UT 
KNOXVILLE CHANCELLOR ABOUT 
THAT, HE SAID WHAT WOULD 
PERSUADE THOSE 31,000 STUDENTS 
AS WELL AS THE 50 MILLION K 
THROUGH 12 STUDENTS IN THE 
COUNTRY AND ALSO 5,000 
UNIVERSITY STUDENTS.  
WHAT WOULD PERSUADE THEM TO GO 
BACK TO CAMPUS IN AUGUST?  
THAT'S WHERE THE NEW SHARK TANK 
COMES IN.  
DR. COLLINS, IN THE NATIONAL 
INSTITUTE OF HEALTH CALLS IT 
RED X.  WE HAD THE HEARING 
ABOUT THAT ON THURSDAY.  
A REALLY REMARKABLE SCIENTIFIC 
EXERCISE.  
TAKE A FEW EARLY-STAGE CONCEPTS 
THAT ARE SWIMMING AROUND IN 
WHAT WE CALL THE COMPETITIVE 
SHARK TANK AND SEE IF DR. 
COLLINS AND ASSOCIATES CAN FIND 
A NEW FEW TECHNOLOGIES TO 
CREATE MILLIONS OF TESTS TO 
SCALE UP RAPIDLY AND MAKE IT 
MORE LIKELY STUDENTS WILL GO 
BACK TO SCHOOL IN AUGUST.  
FOR EXAMPLE, THE FDA AUTHORIZED 
THE FIRST DIAGNOSTIC TEST USING 
SALIVA THAT A PERSON PROVIDES 
AT HOME INSTEAD OF A NOSE SWAB 
AND BLOOD.  
IT FIRST AUTHORIZED FIRST ANTI-
AGAIN TESTS LIKE THE ONES USED 
FOR FLU OR STREP THROAT WHICH 
INVOLVES SWABBING OF THE NOSE 
AND YOU CAN GET RESULTS IN A 
FEW MINUTES.  
ANOTHER PROPOSAL NOT YET 
APPROVED IS PUT IN YOUR MOUTH A 
LOCAL LEE POP SPONGE AND TAKE A 
PHOTO WITH THE CELL PHONE AND 
SEND THAT TO THE DOCTOR AND 
LIGHTS UP IF POSITIVE.  
THE UNIVERSITY MIGHT SEND THAT 
LOLLIPOP TO A NEARBY LABORATORY 
WHICH COULD BE A GENE 
SEQUENCING LABORATORY WHICH CAN 
DEAL WITH THOUSANDS OVERNIGHT.  
THE SAME PROCESS COULD OCCUR AT 
A MIDDLE SCHOOL AND A FACTORY.  
OF COURSE, EVERYONE TESTING 
NEGATIVE, ONE DAY CAN POSITIVE 
THE NEXT.  
SUCH WIDESPREAD SCREENING OF 
INSPIRE CAMPUSES, SCHOOLS OR 
PLACES OF WORK, WILL HELP 
IDENTIFY THOSE WHO ARE SICK, 
TRACE DOWN THOSE THROUGH CELL 
PHONES AND THAT SHOULD IN TURN 
PERSUADE THE REST OF US TO GO 
BACK TO SCHOOL AND WORK.  
IN ADDITION TO MORE TESTING, I 
EXPECT DR. FAUCI WILL TALK TO 
US ABOUT ADDITIONAL TREATMENTS 
THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO 
REDUCE THE RISK OF DEATH AND 
THE ADMINISTRATION'S PLAN TO DO 
SOMETHING THAT OUR COUNTRY HAS 
NEVER DONE BEFORE WHICH IS TO 
START MANUFACTURING A VACCINE 
BEFORE IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN 
PROVEN TO WORK IN ORDER TO 
SPEED UP THE RESULT IN CASE IT 
DOES WORK.  
THOSE  VACCINES AND TREATMENTS 
ARE THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION.  
UNTIL WE HAVE THOSE ALL THOSE 
GOING BACK TO WORK AND SCHOOL 
GO THROUGH TESTING.  
WE CAN THEN IDENTIFY THE SICK 
AND EXPOSED AND QUARANTINE THE 
SICK AND EXPOSED INSTEAD OF 
QUARANTINING THE WHOLE COUNTRY. 
IN MY OPINION, THIS WOULD 
REQUIRE MILLIONS OF NEW TESTS, 
MANY FROM NEW TECHNOLOGIES.  
SOME OF THESE WILL FAIL BUT WE 
ONLY NEED A FEW SUCCESS TO GET 
WHERE WE WANT TO GO.  
THAT'S WHY I SAID ON THURSDAY 
THAT WHAT OUR COUNTRY HAS DONE 
SO FAR IN TESTING IS IMPRESSIVE 
BUT NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.  
FIRST SQUEEZE ALL THE TESTS WE 
CAN OUT OF CURRENT 
TECHNOLOGIES.  
NEXT, TRY TO FIND NEW 
TECHNOLOGIES TO HELP US CONTAIN 
THE DISEASE THAT PER SWADZ US 
TO GO BACK TO WORK. 
ONE OTHER THING.  
THIS IS BIPARTISAN HEARING TO 
AND HOW WELL WE'RE PREPARING TO 
GO BACK TO WORK AND SCHOOL AND 
TO DETERMINE WHAT ELSE WE NEED 
TO DO IN THE UNITED STATES 
SENATE.  
SUCH AN EXERCISE SOMETIMES 
ENCOURAGES FINGER POINTING. 
BEFORE WE SPEND TOO MUCH TIME 
FINGER POINTING, I WOULD LIKE 
TO SUGGEST ALMOST ALL OF US, 
THE UNITED STATES AND ALMOST 
EVERY COUNTRY SO FAR AS I CAN 
TELL, UNDERESTIMATED THIS 
VIRUS.  
UNDERESTIMATED HOW CONTAGIOUS 
IT WOULD BE.  
UNDERESTIMATED HOW IT CAN 
TRAVEL SILENTLY IN PEOPLE 
WITHOUT SYMPTOMS TO IN EFFECT 
OTHER PEOPLE.  
HOW IT CAN BE ESPECIALLY DEADLY 
FOR CERTAIN SEGMENTS OF THE 
POPULATION.  
THE ELDERLY.  
THOSE WITH PREEXISTING 
CONDITIONS.  
MINORITY POPULATION.  
LET ME GO BACK TO THE MARCH 3 
HEARING THAT WE HAD IN OUR 
ECONOMY  OUR COMMITTEE ON THE 
CORONAVIRUS.  
SIX WEEKS AFTER THE FIRST CASE 
WAS DISCOVERED.  
I READ AT THAT HEARING THIS 
PARAGRAPH.  
THEY SAID MUCH ABOUT THE 
CORONAVIRUS REMAINS UNCLEAR THE 
TIMES REPORTED AND IT IS FAR 
FROM CERTAIN.  
THIS IS MARCH 3 --  MARCH 1, 
THAT THE OUTBREAK WILL REACH 
SEVERE PROP PORTIONS IN THE 
UNITED STATES OR EFFECT MANY 
REGIONS AT ONCE.  
WITH ITS TOP-NOTCH SCIENTISTS 
AND MODERN HOSPITALS AND 
SPRAWLING PUBLIC HEALTH 
INFRASTRUCTURE, MOST EXPERTS 
AGREE, THE UNITED STATES IS 
AMONG THE COUNTRIES BEST 
PREPARED TO PREVENT OR MANAGE 
SUCH AN EPIDEMIC.  
THAT WAS THE NEW YORK TIMES ON 
MARCH 1.  A LOT OF EFFORT HAS 
GONE INTO TRYING TO MAKE OUR 
COUNTRY WELL PREPARED.  
OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, FOUR 
PRESSES, SEVERAL  CONGRESSES, IN
RESPONSE TO OTHER ILLNESSES AND 
HAS NINE MAJOR LAWS TO GET THIS 
COUNTRY READY FOR WHAT WE ARE 
GOING THROUGH TODAY.  
THEY CREATED A ASSISTANT 
SECRETARY FOR PREPAREDNESS AND 
STOCK PILES, CREATED INCENTIVES 
FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS OF 
VACCINES AND MEDICINES THAT 
WE'RE USING TODAY.  
STRENGTH THEN THE CENTER FOR 
DISEASE CONTROL, CREATED PARTA, 
THANKS TO THE LEADERSHIP OF 
SENATORS FOR DRIVE STRAIGHT 
YEARS, WE SIGNIFICANTLY 
INCREASED FUNDING FOR THE 
NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH.  
ALL THIS WAS PART OF A SHARED 
GOAL, REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, 
FOUR PRESIDENTS AND FOUR 
CONGRESSES TO TRY AND GET READY 
FOR WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH 
TODAY AND DESPITE ALL THAT 
EFFORT, EVEN THE EXPERTS 
UNDERESTIMATED COVID-19.  
THIS HEARING IS ABOUT HOW WE 
IMPROVE OUR RESPONSE TO THIS 
VIRUS AS WELL AS THE NEXT ONE.  
DURING THE OVERSIGHT HEARING, I 
ALSO INTEND TO FOCUS, AS I JUST 
SAID, THE NEXT PANDEMIC WHICH 
WE KNOW IS COMING.  
WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THIS ONE 
TO BE READY FOR THE NEXT ONE?  
CAN WE LEARN --  WHAT CAN WE 
LEARN FROM THE FAST TRACKING OF 
VACCINES AND TREATMENTS THAT 
WE'RE ABOUT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT 
WILL MAKE IT EVEN FASTER THE 
NEXT TIME?  
HOW CAN WE KEEP HOSPITALS AND 
STATES FROM SELLING OFF 
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT WHEN THEIR 
BUDGET GETS TIGHT?  
HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT 
CONGRESS DOES OUR SHARE OF THE 
FUNDING RESPONSIBILITY.  
HOW DO WE PROVIDE ENOUGH EXTRA 
HOSPITAL BEDS WITHOUT CANCELING 
ELECTIVE SURGERY AND HURTING 
OTHER PATIENTS AND BANKRUPTING 
HOSPITALS?  
WHO'S JOB SHOULD IT ABOUT BE?  
THAT COORDINATES SUPPLY LINES 
TO PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AND 
SUPPLIES GET TO WHERE THEY ARE 
SUPPOSED TO GO WHEN SUPPOSED TO 
GO.  
WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MANAGE 
THE STOCK PILE?  
MY PREACHER ONCE SAID I'M NOT 
WORRIED ABOUT WHAT YOU DO ON 
SUNDAY, IT'S THE REST OF THE 
WEEK THAT CONCERNS ME.  
I'M AFRAID THAT DURING THE REST 
OF THE WEEK, BETWEEN PANDEMICS, 
WE RELAX OUR FOCUS ON 
PREPAREDNESS.  
WE BECOME PREOCCUPIED WITH 
OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS.  
OUR COLLECTIVE MEMORY IS SHORT. 
JUST THREE MONTHS AGO THIS 
COUNTRY WAS PREOCCUPIED WITH 
IMPEACHING A PRESIDENT AND 
THOUSAND THAT SEEMS LIKE 
ANCIENT ROMAN HISTORY.  
WHILE THIS CRISIS HAS OUR FULL 
ATTENTION, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD 
PUT INTO LAW THIS YEAR, 
WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO 
BE MADE ARE BEING WELL PREPARED 
FOR THE NEXT PANDEMIC.  
IF THERE'S FINGER POINTING, I 
HOPE THEY'RE POINTED IN THAT 
DIRECTION.  
WE'RE FORTUNATE TODAY TO HAVE 
FOUR DISTINGUISHED WITNESSES 
WITHIN THE HEART OF THE 
RESPONSE FOR CORONAVIRUS.  
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THEIR 
SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY.  
AND I'VE ASKED EACH TO 
SUMMARIZE REMARKS IN 5 MINUTES 
AND THEN 5 MINUTES, A ROUND OF 
QUESTIONS FROM EACH SENATOR.  
I'VE AGREED TO END THE HEARING 
ABOUT 12:30 AFTER WE HAVE A 
FULL ROUND OF QUESTIONS.  
EVERY SENATOR WILL HAVE A 
CHANCE TO HAVE HIS OR HER 5 
MINUTES.  
SENATOR MURRAY WILL HAVE AN 
OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE LAST 
QUESTION OR TO CLOSE THE 
HEARING AND I WILL THEN CLOSE 
THE HEARING.  
THERE WILL BE OTHER HEARINGS TO 
FOLLOW THIS HEARING LIKE LAST 
THURSDAY'S HEARING AND SENATORS 
MAY SUBMIT QUESTIONS THIS 
WRITING WITHIN THE NEXT TEN 
DAYS.  
STAYING AT HOME INDEFINITELY IS 
NOT THE SOLUTION TO THIS 
PANDEMIC.  
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY 
AVAILABLE TO HELP ALL THOSE 
HURT BY A CLOSED ECONOMY.  
ALL THOSE BACK TO WORK AND 
SCHOOL LEAD TO TESTING, 
PROTECTING, ISOLATION, 
TREATMENT AND VACCINE.  
THIS REQUIRES WIDESPREAD 
TESTING.  
MILLIONS MORE TESTED CREATED BY 
NEW TECHNOLOGIES TO IDENTIFY 
WHO ARE SICK AND BEEN EXPOSED 
SO THEY CAN BE QUARANTINED AND 
BY CONTAINING THE DISEASE IN 
THIS WAY, THE REST OF AMERICA 
HAS THE CONFIDENCE TO GO BACK 
TO WORK AND SCHOOL.  
FOR THE NEAR TERM, TO HELP MAKE 
SURE THE 31,000UT STUDENTS AND 
FACULTY MEMBERS SHOW UP IN 
AUGUST, WE NEED WIDESPREAD 
TESTING.  
MILLIONS MORE TESTS CREATED 
MOSTLY BY NEW TECHNOLOGIES TO 
IDENTIFY THOSE WHO ARE SICK AND 
WHO HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AND THEY 
CAN BE QUARANTINED BY 
CONTAINING THE DISEASE IN THIS 
WAY TO GIVE THE REST OF AMERICA 
ENOUGH CONFIDENCE TO GO BACK TO 
WORK AND BACK TO SCHOOL.  
SENATOR MURRAY. 
>>> THANK YOU.  
MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH YOU AND 
YOUR TEAM RIGHT NOW AS YOU TRY 
TO NAVIGATE THE SAME CHALLENGES 
SO MANY IN OUR COUNTRY ARE 
WORRIED ABOUT.  
WE ALL WISH YOUR STAFF MEMBER A 
SPEEDY RECOVERY.  
AS EVERYONE WORKS TO TAKE 
APPROPRIATE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS 
TODAY.  
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK NOT ONLY 
OUR COMMITTEE STAFF TO SET UP 
AND PROVIDE THE FORMAT FOR 
WITNESSES AND THE PUBLIC TO 
PARTICIPATE IN THE HEARING 
REMOTELY.  
FAMILIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE 
COUNTING ON US FOR THE TRUTH 
ABOUT THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.  
ESPECIALLY SINCE IT IS CLEAR 
THEY WILL NOT GET IT FROM 
PRESIDENT TRUMP.  
TRUTH IS ESSENTIAL.  
SO PEOPLE HAVE THE FACTS.  
SO THEY CAN MAKE DECISIONS FOR 
THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES 
AND THEIR COMMUNITY.  
LIVES ARE AT STAKE.  
THE PRESIDENT ISN'T TELLING THE 
TRUTH, WE MUST.  
AND ALL OF IT JUST AS MUCH AND 
WE'RE COUNTING ON YOU TODAY.  
AND FAMILIES NEED US TO TAKE 
THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIG INTO THE 
FACTS ABOUT WHERE THINGS DID GO 
WRONG SO WE CAN FINALLY GET 
THEM ON TRACK BECAUSE THE TRUMP 
ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE TO 
THIS PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY SO 
FAR HAS BEEN A DISASTER ON ITS 
OWN.  
DELAYS, MISSTEPS, THEY PUT US 
WAY BEHIND WHERE WE NEED TO BE 
ON DIAGNOSTIC TESTS AND ALLOWED 
INACCURATE ANTIBODY TESTS TO 
FLOOD THE MARKET.  
CORRUPTION AND INTERFERENCE 
IMPEDED EFFORTS TO SECURE STEPS 
THAT WERE NEEDED FOR PERSONAL 
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AND 
PROMOTED DANGEROUS UNPROVEN 
TREATMENT AND WE RECENTLY 
LEARNED AFTER EXPERTS FOR THE 
CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND 
PREVENTION SPENT WEEKS 
DEVELOPING A DETAILED GUIDE TO 
HELP THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND 
HOW TO SAFELY REOPEN WHEN THE 
TIME COMES.  
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TOSSED 
IT IN THE TRASH BIN FOR BEING 
TOO PRESCRIPTIVE.  
THIS IS FAR FROM THE FIRST TIME 
THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS FOUND 
EXPERTS DOING THEIR JOB AND 
PUTTING PUBLIC HEALTH FIRST.  
THE FACT OF THE MATTER 
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN 
FOCUSED ON FIGHTING THE TRUTH 
THAN FIGHTING THE VIRUS AND 
AMERICANS PAID THE PRICE.  
SINCE THIS COMMITTEE LAST HEARD 
FROM WITNESSES ON MARCH 3, VIA 
FEED, OVER 900 DEATHS IN MY 
HOME STATE OF WASHINGTON, OVER 
80,000 DEATHS NATIONALLY AND 
THE NUMBERS CONTINUE TO CLIMB.  
STILL, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS 
TRYING TO IGNORE THE FACTS AND 
IGNORE THE EXPERTS WHO HAVE 
BEEN VERY CLEAR, WE ARE NOWHERE 
CLOSE TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE TO 
REOPEN SAFELY.  
MY HOPE TODAY IS THAT WE CAN 
CUT THROUGH THIS AND HAVE A 
SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT 
IS NEEDED TO SAFELY REOPEN.  
HOW CLOSE WE ARE AT POTENTIALLY 
MEETING THOSE NEEDS AND HOW DO 
WE ACTUALLY GET THERE.  
ONE THING THAT'S ABUNDANTLY 
CLEAR, WE NEED DRAMATICALLY 
MORE TESTING.  
IT IS UNACCEPTABLE WE STILL 
DON'T HAVE A NATIONAL STRATEGIC 
PLAN TO MAKE SURE TESTING IS 
FREE, FAST, AND EVERYWHERE.  
THAT IS WHY I FOUGHT TO MAKE 
SURE THE LAST COVID-19 PACKAGE 
INCLUDED AN INITIAL $25 BILLION 
IN TESTING FUNDS AND A 
REQUIREMENT THAT THE 
ADMINISTRATION SUBMIT A PLAN BY 
MAY 24.  
AND WHEN I SAY I PLAN, I DON'T 
MEAN A P. R. PLAN.  
I MEAN A PLAN WITH SPECIFIC 
TIME LINES AND THE GOAL WITH 
SUPPLY AND FUNDING NEEDS, ONE 
THAT ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE 
NEEDS WE'RE SEEING ON TESTING 
CAPACITY AND DISTRIBUTION AND 
DISPARITY AND BUILDING ON OUR 
PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM.  
AND MAKE CLEAR TO ALL PEOPLE 
WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT AND WHAT 
THE ADMINISTRATION WILL DO TO 
KEEP AMERICANS SAFE.  
TESTING ALONE WON'T BE ENOUGH 
TO REOPEN THE COUNTRY.  
WE STILL NEED FAR MORE PERSONAL 
PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT 
THAT'S BEEN AVAILABLE FOR 
HEALTHCARE WORKERS ON FRONT 
LINES AND WE WILL NEED FOR FAR 
MORE FOR OTHER WORKERS TO 
REOPEN.  
WE DESPERATELY NEED THE 
ADMINISTRATION TO STEP UP AND 
GET THE EQUIPMENT TO THEM AND 
COULD EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER 
TO PURCHASE SUPPLIES.  
THE REALITY IS FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT HAS THE TOOLS TO 
ACTUALLY FIX THE PROBLEM IF 
ONLY THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD 
USE THEM.  
WE ALSO NEED THE EQUIPMENT TO 
ACTUALLY WORK AND FOR THE GDA 
TO ACT PROMPTLY BEFORE PEOPLE 
HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXPOSED.  
JUST AS IMPORTANTLY WE CAN'T 
EXPECT PEOPLE TO GO BACK TO 
WORK OR RESTAURANT OR 
CONFIDENTLY SEND KIDS TO SCHOOL 
IF THERE ISN'T CLEARED DETAILED 
GUIDANCE ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT 
SAFELY.  
SCHOOLS, FROM EARLY CHILDHOOD 
THROUGH COLLEGE NEED TO KNOW 
THOUSAND KEEP STUDENTS, THEIR 
STAFF AND THEIR EDUCATORS SAFE. 
WHEN SHOULD THEY WEAR MASKS?  
HOW DO YOU RUN A SCHOOL 
CAFETERIA OR SCHOOL BUS?  
IF THEY CAN'T REOPEN CLASSROOMS 
SCHOOLS AND FAMILIES NEED TO 
KNOW WE ARE WORKING TO MAKE 
SURE EVERY STUDENT GETS AN 
EDUCATION.  
ONLINE LEARNING CAN ONLY GET SO 
FAR TO MAKE SURE EVERY STUDENT 
CAN ACCESS IT.  
THERE WILL BE LEARNING LOSS 
AMONG LOW INCOME, SCHOOL WITH 
DISABILITIES AND ENGLISH 
LANGUAGE LEARNERS AND OTHER 
VULNERABLE POPULATIONS IF WE 
DON'T MAKE SURE THEY GET EQUAL 
ACCESS TO SUPPORT.  
SCHOOLS AREN'T THE ONLY PLACES 
WE'VE GOT TO BE THINKING ABOUT. 
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT 
INDUSTRIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY 
YOU KNOW HOW TO SAFELY REOPEN 
AND THAT PEOPLE KNOW THEIR 
WORKPLACE IS SAFE.  
SECRETARY SCALIA NEEDS TO STOP 
DRAG HIS FEET DO HIS JOB AND 
HAS THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR TO 
MAKE CLEAR WORKER SAFETY IS NOT 
OPTION.  
MR. CHAIRMAN I HOPE THE 
COMMITTEE CAN HERE ABOUT THOSE 
ISSUES AS WELL AS OTHER ISSUES 
IN THE DAYS AHEAD.  
AND THIS IS ESPECIALLY 
IMPORTANT TO PROTECT WORKERS 
AND RESIDENTS AT NURSING HOMES 
AND CARE FACILITIES WHERE WE'VE 
SEEN SOME OF THE MOST DEADLY 
OUT BREAKS.  
AND AS THE RASH OF OUT BREAKS 
AT MEATPACKING PLANTS SHOWS, 
THIS ISN'T JUST A ISSUE FOR THE 
HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY, IT IS AN 
INDUSTRY FOR EVERYONE.  
JUST AS WE NEED TO PLAN WHERE 
WE REOPEN, WE NEED TO PLAN WELL 
BEFORE WE HAVE A SAFE AND 
EFFECTIVE VACCINE TO GUARANTEE 
THAT WE CAN QUICKLY PRODUCE AND 
DISTRIBUTE IT ON A GLOBAL SCALE 
AND MAKE IT FREE AND AVAILABLE 
FOR EVERYONE.  
SO I'LL BE ASKING ABOUT OUR 
PROGRESS ON THOSE ISSUES TODAY. 
TODAY SAFELY REOPENING THE 
COUNTRY MAY BE A WAYS OFF AND 
IT IS SAFETY PLANNING MAY BE 
WAY BEHIND.  
BUT THERE ISN'T TIME TO SPARE.  
SOME INCLUDING THE WHITE HOUSE, 
THINGS ALREADY PROVIDING ENOUGH 
ECONOMIC RELIEF.  
MY QUESTION WHAT GOOD IS A 
BRIDGE IT IT ONLY GETS TO THE 
MIDDLE OF THE RIVER.  
WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT AROUND TO 
SEE IF PEOPLE NEED MORE HELP, 
WE KNOW THEY DO.  
WE NEED TO WORK QUICKLY ON 
ANOTHER AGGRESSIVE RELIEF 
PACKAGE AND WE NEED TO MAKE 
SURE PRIORITIES IN THAT BILL OR 
PROTECTING OUR WORKERS, OUR 
STUDENTS AND OUR FAMILIES AND 
ADDRESSING THIS PUBLIC HEALTH 
CRISIS, NOT BAILING OUT 
CORPORATIONS EXPECTING BIG 
BUSINESS FROM ACCOUNTABILITY.  
PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE 
DOING THEIR PART.  
THEY ARE WASHING THEIR HANDS 
AND WEARING MASKS AND SOCIAL 
DISTANCING AND STAYING HOME.  
THEY NEED THEIR GOVERNMENT TO 
DO ITS PART TOO.  
THEY NEED LEADERSHIP AND A PLAN 
AND THEY NEED HONESTY AND WE 
NEED IT NOW BEFORE WE REOPEN SO 
THEY CAN REST ASSURED THAT WE 
ARE DOING THINGS SAFELY AND 
CONFIDENTLY WITH THEIR HEALTH 
AND WELL-BEING AS A TOP 
PRIORITY.  
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
>>>  IT'S AN IMPORTANT HEARING 
AND LOTS OF PEOPLE MAY BE 
WATCHING FOR THE FIRST TIME.  
IF THEY ARE, I HOPE THEY NOTICE 
THAT WE HAVE 23 MEMBERS OF THIS 
COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE, ONE MORE 
REPUBLICAN THAN DEMOCRAT, WE 
HAVE VERY STRONG VIEWS BUT 
WE'RE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER AND 
TO EXPRESS THOSE VIEWS AND 
RESPECT EACH OTHER AND OUR 
WITNESSES AND A BIG PART OF 
THAT GOES TO SENATOR MURRAY AND 
HER STAFF.  
THANK YOU FOR THAT.  
EACH WITNESS WILL HAVE UP TO 5 
MINUTES TO GIVE HIS TESTIMONY.  
THANK YOU FOR MAKING AN 
EXCEPTION AND AGREEING TO 
TESTIFYING BY VIDEO BECAUSE OF 
THE UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES AND 
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE 
DOING FOR THE COUNTRY.  
OUR FIRST WITNESS IS DR. 
ANTHONY FAUCI DIRECTOR OF THE 
NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF 
INFECTIOUS AND DISEASES.  
HE'S FILLED THAT POSITION SINCE 
1984 WHICH MEANT EASE ADVISED 
SIX PRESIDENTS AND WORKED ON 
HIV, INFLUENZA, MALARIA AND 
OTHER INFECTIOUS DISEASES.  
HE WAS INVOLVED IN TREATING 
EBOLA PATIENTS AT NHIL AND NEXT 
WE'LL HEAR FROM DR. ROBERT 
REDFORD DIRECTOR OF THE CENTERS 
FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENS 
WHICH HEADQUARTERS IN ATLANTA. 
HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN HUMAN 
RESEARCH RELATED TO INFECTIOUS 
DISEASES ESPECIALLY  HIV.  HE 
WAS THE FOUNDING DIRECTOR FOR 
THE MILITARY HIV PROGRAM.  
THIRD  ADMIRAL, SECRETARY OF 
HEALTH AT THE U.S. DEPARTMENT 
OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES 
PUT IN CHARGE OF DEVELOPMENT OF 
PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY 
RECOMMENDATIONS.  
HE'S TAKING ON THE 
RESPONSIBILITY FOR COORDINATING 
TESTING AND FOCUSED ON THE 
INCREASING NUMBER OF TESTS THAT 
WE CAN DO WITH THE EXISTING 
TECHNOLOGY.  
HIS FEDERAL SERVICE INCLUDES A 
VARIETY OF  RESEARCH.  
AND FINALLY WE'LL HEAR FROM DR. 
STEVEN HAHN, HE'S COMMISSIONER 
OF THE FOOD AND DRUG 
ADMINISTRATION.  
BEFORE JOINING THE FDA, HE WAS 
THE CHIEF MEDICAL EXECUTIVE OF 
THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS MD 
ANDERSON CANCER CENTER.  
HE WAS CHAIR OF THE DEPARTMENT 
OF RADIATION  ONCOLOGY AT THE 
UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA.  
HE WAS A SENIOR INVESTIGATOR AT 
THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF 
HEALTH.  
COMMANDER OF THE U.S. PUBLIC 
HEALTH SERVICE COMMISSION UNTIL 
2025.  
WE'LL ASK EACH OF THE WITNESSES 
TO SUMMARIZE THEIR REMARKS IN 5 
MINUTES.  
FOLLOWING THAT, EACH SENATOR 
WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR 
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS IN ORDER 
OF SENIORITY.  
DR. FAUCI LET'S BEGIN WITH YOU, 
WELCOME. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  
CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE 
COMMITTEE AND SENATOR MURRAY.  
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE 
OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH YOU 
THE ROLE THE NATIONAL 
INSTITUTES OF HEALTH AND 
RESEARCH IN ADDRESSING COVID-
19.  
THE STRATEGIC PLAN WE HAVE IS 
FOUR FOLD.  
ONE TO IMPROVE THE FUNDAMENTAL 
KNOWLEDGE OF THE VIRUS AND 
DISEASE IT CAUSES.  
NEXT, TO DEVELOP NEW KINDS OF 
CARE DIAGNOSTICS.  
NEXT TO CHARACTERIZE AND TESTS 
THERAPEUTICS AND FINALLY THE 
MOST SAFE AND EFFECTIVE 
VACCINES.  
FIRST WITH REGARD TO 
DIAGNOSTICS.  
AUZ AS YOU PROBABLY HEARD FROM 
DR. FRANCIS COLLINS LAST 
THURSDAY.  
THE NIH DEVELOPED A RAPID 
ABBING SELL LAYINGS OF DIE AGO 
NO, SIR STICKS PROGRAM CALLED 
RAD X WITH AN AWARD TO THAT 
SPECIFIC PROGRAM UP TO A HALF 
BILLION DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE 
DEVELOPMENT OF COVID-19 
DIAGNOSTICS.  
IT IS A NATIONAL CALL TO 
INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL 
BE EVALUATED IN A SHARK TANK-
LIKE SELECTION PROCESS TO GET 
TO EITHER SUCCESS OR FAILURE 
RAPIDLY.  
MOVING ON TO THERAPEUTICS.  
I'LL TALK A BIT ABOUT THE 
REMDESIVIR SUCCESS ANTIBODY IN 
THE MOMENT.  
LET ME EMPHASIZE THERE ARE 
ANTIVIRALS IN VARIOUS STAGES OF 
TESTING. 
IN ADDITION, WE'LL BE LOOKING 
AT CONVALESCENT PLASMA, WHICH 
IS PLASMA FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO 
RECOVERED FROM COVID-19 TO BE 
USED IN PASSIVE TRANSFER AND 
USED IN PREVENTION AND 
TREATMENT.  
IN ADDITION GLOBULIN WILL BE 
USED IN POSSIBLE DRUGS AND 
ANTIBODIES.  
LET ME TAKE A MOMENT TO 
DESCRIBE THE REMDESIVIR 
RANDOMIZED TRIAL WHICH WAS DONE 
NATIONALLY WITH MORNING A 
THOUSAND INDIVIDUALS IN SITES 
AROUND THE WORLD.  
IT IS IN PATIENTS WITH LUNG 
DISEASE AND THE END POINT WAS 
PRIMARY TIME TO RECOVER.  
THE RESULTS WERE STATISTICALLY 
SIGNIFICANT AND ONLY MODEST, 
THERE WAS ONLY A MODEST RESULT 
SHOWING THAT THE DRUG MADE A 
31% FASTER TIME FOR RECOVERY.  
WE HOPE TO BUILD ON THIS MODEST 
SUCCESS WITH COMBINATIONS OF 
DRUGS.  
MOVING ON TO VACCINES THESE 
CANDIDATE VACCINES ARE IN 
CLINICAL DEVELOPMENT.  
THE NIH IS COLLABORATING WITH A 
NUMBER OF PHARMACEUTICAL 
COMPANIES AT VARIOUS STAGES OF 
DEVELOPMENT. 
I WILL DESCRIBE ONE BRIEFLY 
WHICH IS NOT THE ONLY ONE BUT 
ONE WE'VE INVOLVED IN HEAVILY 
DEVELOPING.  
YOU MIGHT RECALL IN THIS 
COMMITTEE THAT IN JANUARY OF 
THIS YEAR, I SAID THAT IT WOULD 
TAKE ABOUT ONE YEAR TO 18 
MONTHS IF WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN 
DEVELOPING A VACCINE.  
THE NIH TRIAL MOVED VERY 
QUICKLY.  
ON JANUARY 10, THE SEQUENCE WAS 
KNOWN.  
ON JANUARY 11, THE VACCINE 
RESEARCH SENT A MIX TO DEVELOP 
A PLAN.  
ON THE 14th OF JANUARY WE 
OFFICIALLY STARTED THE VACCINE 
DEVELOPMENT.  
62 DAYS LATER, WE ARE NOW IN 
PHASE 1 CLINICAL TRIAL WITH A 
TWO DOSES ALREADY FULLY 
ENROLLED.  
THERE WILL BE ADDED WITH 
SAFETY.  
PHASE 1 WILL DIRECTLY GO INTO 
PHASE 2, 3 IN LATE SPRING AND 
EARLY SUMMER AND IF WE ARE 
SUCCESSFUL, WE HOPE TO KNOW 
THAT IN THE LATE FALL AND EARLY 
WINTER.  
THERE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES 
HOWEVER IN COVID-19 VACCINE 
DEVELOPMENT.  
WE HAVE MANY CANDIDATES THAT 
HOPE TO HAVE MULTIPLE WINNERS.  
IN OTHER WORDS MULTIPLE SHOTS 
ON GOAL.  
THIS WILL BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE 
THIS WILL BE GOOD FOR GLOBAL 
AVAILABILITY IF WE HAVE MORE 
THAN ONE SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE.  
WE ALSO, AS THE CHAIRMAN 
MENTIONED, WILL BE PRODUCING 
VACCINE AT RISK WHICH MEANS 
WE'LL BE INVESTIGATING 
CONSIDERABLE RESOURCES IN 
DEVELOPING DOSES EVEN BEFORE WE 
KNOW ANY GIVEN CANDIDATE WHILE 
CANDIDATES WORK.  
I MUST WARN THERE IS'S 
POSSIBILITY OF NEGATIVE 
CONSEQUENCES BUT CERTAIN 
VACCINES CAN ACTUALLY ENHANCE 
THE NEGATIVE EFFECT OF THE 
INFECTION.  
THE BIG UNKNOWN IS EFFICACY.  
WILL IT BE PRESENT OR ABSENT 
AND HOW DURABLE WILL IT BE?  
FINALLY I WANT TO MENTION THE 
NIH LAUNCHED A PUBLIC PRIVATE 
PARTNERSHIP CALLED ABBING SELL 
LATING COVID-19 THERAPEUTIC 
PREVENTION AND VACCINES.  
THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO 
PRIORITIZE AND ACCELERATE 
CLINICAL VALUATIONS BY 
THERAPEUTIC CANDIDATES TO REACH 
OUR POTENTIAL.  
HOPEFULLY THE RESEARCH EFFORTS 
TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER PUBLIC 
HEALTH EFFORTS WILL GET US 
QUICKLY TO AN END TO THIS 
TERRIBLE ORDEAL WE ARE GOING 
THROUGH.  
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  
HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS 
LATER.  
. 
>> THANK YOU, DOCTOR FAUCI.  
DR. REDFIELD. 
>>>  GOOD MORNING.  
CHAIRMAN ALEXANDER AND RANKING 
MEMBER MURRAY AND MEMBERS OF 
THE COMMITTEE.  
OUR NATION IS CONFRONTING THE 
MOST SERIOUS PUBLIC HEALTH 
CRISIS IN MORE THAN A CENTURY.  
YET, WE'RE NOT DEFENSELESS.  
WE HAVE POWERFUL TOOLS TO FIGHT 
THIS ENEMY.  
WE HAVE TRIED EFFECTIVE PUBLIC 
INTERVENTION, COMBINED WITH 
IMPORTANT LITIGATION STRATEGY 
INCLUDING SOCIAL DISTANCE, 
FREQUENT HAND WASHING AND FACE 
CONVERSATION.  
THESE PUBLIC TOOLS HAVE AND 
WILL CONTINUE TO SLOW THE 
SPREAD OF THE COVID-19.  
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO 
PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW WITH 
SOME OF THE CDC'S FIGHT TO THE 
COVID-19.  
IT IS SUPPORTING STATE, TRIBAL, 
LOCAL AND TERRITORIALLY PUBLIC 
HEALTH PARTNERS IS BRINGING 
CORE CAPABILITIES INCLUDING 
DATA AND ANALYTICS.  
HE DEEM OL  EN DEEM  OUR 
LABORATORY EXPERTS ARE CERTAIN 
LOBLG CAL TESTING TO BETTER 
FIND THE EXTENT OF A 
SYMPTOMATIC POPULATIONS.  
AS LOCAL LEADERSHIP MAKES 
DECISION TO REOPEN THEY WILL 
ACQUIRE VERG DEGREES OF FEDERAL 
SUPPORT.  
EACH LOCATION WILL BE DIFFERENT 
AND FACE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES.  
CDC HAS CONDUCTED A STATE BY 
STATE ASSESSMENT OF PUBLIC 
HEALTH TESTING, CAPACITY AND 
KEY CONTACT TRACING CAPACITY AS 
WELL AS SURGE PLANS.  
CDC IS PROVIDING TECHNICAL 
ASSISTANCE AND FUNDING FOR THE 
STATE PROVIDED THROUGH 
SUPPLEMENTAL CARES ACT AND THE 
PAYCHECK PROTECTION PROGRAM AND 
HEALTHCARE ENHANCEMENT.  
WE'RE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE 
STATE PUBLIC HEALTH LEADERS TO 
DEFINE NEEDS THROUGH TESTING 
AND TESTING DEVICES, SUPPLIES 
AND MANPOWER, SURVEILLANCE, 
DATA COLLECTION AND REPORTING, 
CONTACT TRACING, INFECTION 
CONTROL AND OUTBREAK 
INVESTIGATION.  
I WANT TO SPEND A MOMENT TO 
FOCUS ON SEVERAL KEY ELEMENTS.  
FIRST TESTING.  
RAPID, EXTENT I HAVE SIF AND 
WIDELY AVAILABLE TIMELY TESTING 
IS ESSENTIAL FOR REOPENING 
AMERICA.  
CDC'S ROLE IN TESTING CONTINUES 
TO SUPPORT DIAGNOSES AND KABLTH 
TRACING SURVEILLANCE AND 
OUTBREAK. 
WHEN WE WORK WITH THE PUBLIC 
HEALTH PARTNERS TO DEFINE THEIR 
PARTICULAR TESTING STRATEGY, 
FOR THEIR JURISDICTION.  
AND WE WILL DISCUSS THE 
RESPONSE IN LATER DETAIL.  
CONTACT TRACING INCREASING 
STATE AND TRIBAL AND 
TERRITORIALLY CONTACT TRACING 
IS CRITICAL.  
THE CRITICAL PART TO STOP THE 
CHAIN THIS TRANSMISSION AND 
PREVENT THE OCCURRENCE OF 
SUSTAINED COMMUNITY 
TRANSMISSION.  
THE CDC ROLE IS TO PROVIDE 
TECHNICAL TRAINING, ASSISTANCE 
AND SUPPORT FOR THE STATES AS 
THEY HIRE AND BUILD A WORK 
FORCE NECESSARY TO BE FULLY 
PREPARED TO EFFECTIVELY RESPOND 
TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH CHALLENGES 
DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.  
THIS WILL BE AN EXPANSIVE 
EFFORT.  
SURVEILLANCE, OUR NATION'S 
SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM IS BUILD 
ON A COMBINATION OF SYSTEMS 
INCLUDING EXISTING, SDRON MICK 
AND SUR VEIL YENSZ  
SURVEILLANCE COMBINED WITH 
COMMERCIAL SYSTEMS.  
CDC HAS OPTIMIZED IT TO HAVE A 
SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM IN RESPONSE 
TO COVID-19.  
IMPORTANTLY IN LIGHT OF THE 
SIGNIFICANT OCCURRENCE TO A 
SYMPTOMATIC INFECTIONS, THE 
SURVEILLANCE BECOMES AN 
IMPORTANT PUBLIC HEALTH TOOL 
FOR EARLY CASES OF 
IDENTIFICATION.  
THE CDC IS WORKING WITH EACH 
HEALTH JURISDICTION TO DEVELOP 
A PERSPECTIVE  SURVEILLANCE 
PROGRAM FOR THOSE MOST 
VULNERABLE SUCH AS INDIVIDUALS 
IN LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES 
AND INNER CITIES HOMELESS AND 
HEALTHCARE SHELTERS.  
WE NEED TO BUILD THE PUBLIC 
HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE.  
OUR NATION'S PUBLIC HEALTH WORK 
FORCE.  
NOW IS THE TIME TO PUT IT IN 
PLACE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.  
NOT ONLY FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH 
SYSTEM THAT OUR NATION NEEDS 
BUT FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH 
SYSTEM OUR NATION DESERVINGS.  
BEFORE I CLOSE, I WANT TO 
RECOGNIZE THE TIRELESS 
COMMITMENT AND DEDICATED CDC 
STAFF THAT IMPLORES EVERY 
CORNER OF THE NATION TO FIGHT 
COVID-19.  
MORE THAN 4,000 EMPLOYEES HAVE 
DEPLOYED GLOBALLY.  
SCIENCE AND DATA CONTINUE WITH 
SCIENCE AND EXPERTISE IN PUBLIC 
SERVICE TO LEAN BACK TO THE CDC 
CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE U.S. 
RESPONSE.  
I EXTEND MY SERIOUS GRATITUDE 
TO HEALTHCARE WORKERS TO THE 
FRONT LINES AS WELL AS FAMILY 
AND ESSENTIAL EMERGENCY 
PERSONNEL AS WELL AS THE 
AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SAY THANK 
YOU FOR ADHERING TO GUIDELINES 
AND PROTECTING THE MOST 
VULNERABLE.  
IT IS IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE WE 
ARE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS YET.  
WE ARE MORE PREPARED AND NEED 
TO STAY VIGILANT WITH SOCIAL 
DISTANCING AND REMAINS AN 
IMPERATIVE.  
WE ARE A RESILIENT NATION AND I 
AM CONFIDENT WE WILL EMERGE 
STRONGER TOGETHER.  
THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU, DR. REDFIELD.  
ADMIRAL, WELCOME. 
>>> . 
>>>  IT IS EASIER TO PROU YOU 
WITH AN UPDATE ON THE TESTING.  
THE NATION HAS PERFORMED MORE 
THAN 9 MILLION COVID-19 TESTS.  
A NUMBER FAR GREATER THAN ANY 
OTHER COUNTRY AND DOUBLE THE 
PER CAPITA TEST PERFORMED TO 
DATE IN SOUTH KOREA.  
TO REACH THIS POINT, WE 
IMPLEMENTED A PHASED APPROACH 
TO MEET TESTING NEEDS DURING 
MITIGATION AND NOW DURING PHASE 
1 REOPENING UPPER AMERICA.  
BEGINNING MARCH 20, WE 
PIONEERED 41 COMMUNITY BASED 
DRIVE-THRU TESTING SITES IN 
LOCATIONS PRIORITY TIED BY S
PRIORITIZED BY THE CDC.  
THESE HAVE BEEN A SUCCESS AND 
DEMONSTRATING A PROTOTYPE BEING 
DUP INDICATED MULTIFOLD IN 
NEARLY EVERY STATE.  
NEXT THE ADMINISTRATION 
LEVERAGE TRUSTED RETAILERS 
INCLUDING CVS, RIGHT AID, 
KROGER AND HEALTH MART AMONG 
OTHERS WHO ARE PROVIDING 
TESTING IN 33 STATES.  
69% OF WHICH ARE IN COMMUNITIES 
WITH MODERATE TO HIGH SOCIAL 
VULNERABILITY.  
TO MEET THE NEED FOR COLLECTION 
SUPPLIES LIKE SWABS AND TUBES, 
WE SECURED THE GLOBAL SUPPLY 
CHANGE FOR MILITARY SUPPLY 
BRIDGE.  
WE WORKED DIRECTLY WITH 
MANUFACTURERS TO INCREASE 
PRODUCTION AND CLOB RATED WITH 
THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND FDA TO 
VALIDATE MULTIPLE SWAB AND 
MEDIA TYPES THAT VASTLY 
EXPANDED SUPPLIES WHILE 
MINIMIZING THE NEED FOR PPE.  
WE USED TITLE 3 OF THE 
DEFINITION ACT TO FURTHER 
PREPARE FOR FOR REOPENING.  
TO SUPPORT THE NEED FOR 
SURVEILLANCE TESTING DURING 
REOPENING ON APRIL 27, WE 
ISSUED A NEW TESTING FRAMEWORK 
THAT ALSO PRIORITIZED TESTING 
FOR PERSONS WITHOUT SYMPTOMS 
WHO ARE PRIORITIZED BY HEALTH 
DEPARTMENTS OR CLINICIANS FOR 
ANY REASON INCLUDING SCREENING 
OF A SYMPTOMATIC INDIVIDUALS 
ACCORDING TO STATE AND LOCAL 
PLAN.  
NEXT OUR FEDERAL 
MULTIDISCIPLINARY TEAM 
CONDUCTED MULTIPLE CALLS WITH 
LEADERSHIP FROM EACH STATE TO 
SET STATE-SPECIFIC TESTING 
OBJECTIVES.  
COLLECTIVELY, STATES AND 
TERRITORIES ESTABLISHED AN 
OVERALL GOAL TO PERFORM 12.9 
MILLION TESTS OVER THE NEXT 
FOUR WEEKS.  
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ABLE 
TO AND WILL SUPPORT THE 
ACHIEVEMENT OF THIS GOAL.  
SPECIFICALLY, THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT IS SHIPPING TO 
STATES 12.9 MILLION LOGS AND 
TUBES OF MEDIA IN MAY ALONE.  
LAST MONTH WE DETAILED THE 
LOCATION AND CAPACITY OF EVERY 
LAB MACHINE IN EVERY STATE THAT 
COULD POTENTIALLY RUN COVID-19 
AND OUR TEAM WORKED WITH TEST 
SUPPLIERS TO MATCH REAGENTS TO 
THE MACHINES.  
LOOKING FORWARD BETWEEN NOW AND 
THE END OF 2020, THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT WILL PROCURE OVER 
135 MILLION SWABS AND 132 
MILLION TUBES OF MEDIA AND 
DISTRIBUTE THESE TO STATES AS 
REQUESTED TO SUPPLEMENT THE NOW 
ROBUST COMMERCIAL SUPPLY.  
WE ANTICIPATE MARKED INCREASES 
IN CURRENT TESTS AS WELL AS THE 
DRAMATIC EXPANSION OF NEW POINT 
OF CARE TASKS LIKE THE FIRST IN 
CLASS ANTIGEN TEST AUTHORIZED 
LAST FRIDAY.  
THEY ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO 
DISTRIBUTE 300,000 TESTS PER 
DAY ONE A FEW WEEKS.  
BY SEPTEMBER, TAKING EVERY 
ASPECT OF DEVELOPMENT, AUT 
AUTHOR RYIZATION AUT AUT  
AUTHOR IIZATIONS.  
FINALLY, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE 
AND EXPRESS MY HEARTFELT 
GRATITUDE TO THE OFFICERS OF 
THE U.S. PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE 
COMMISSION KORP,  CORPSE.  
MEN AND WOMEN HAVE DEPLOYED 
DURING THE  PANDEMIC.  
THEY HAVE BEEN  DEPLOYED ACROSS 
THE NATION.  
I THANK EACH AND #6R ONE OF 
THESE OFFICERS AND THEIR 
FAMILIES AND ON THEIR BEHALF, I 
THANK THE MEMBERS OF THIS 
COMMITTEE FOR SUPPORTING FOUR 
TRAINING NEEDS AND THE 
ESTABLISHMENT OF A READY 
RESERVE TO SUPPLEMENT RANKS IN 
FUTURE NATIONAL EMERGENCIES.  
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY 
TO PROVIDE THESE REMARKS. 
>> THANK YOU ADMIRAL AND NOW 
DR. STEVEN HAHN, OUR FOURTH AND 
FINAL WITNESS. 
>>>  CHAIRMAN ALEXANDER, 
RANKING AMERICANS AND MEMBERS 
OF THE COMMITTEE.  
THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO 
PARTICIPATE IN THE HEARING 
TODAY.  
I FIRST WANT TO START BY 
THANKING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 
FOR THEIR INCREDIBLE EFFORTS OF 
MITIGATION AND EXTEND MY 
CONDOLENCES FOR THOSE WHO LOST 
LOVED ONES.  
FROM DAY 1 OF THE PANDEMIC,  
THE 18,000 FDA EMPLOYEES WHO 
ARE TESTING CREDIBLE SCIENTIST, 
DOCTORS AND NURSES HAVE TAKEN 
AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE ALL HE 
BEEN GOVERNORING RESPONSE TO 
THE PANDEMIC.  
FDA WORKED TO FACILITATE TO 
PREVENT COVID-19 AND TREAT IT.  
WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH 
LABORATORIES, MANUFACTURERS, 
ACADEMIA, PRODUCT DEVELOPERS 
OUR SEVERAL PARTNERS AND 
COMPANIES, COMPANIES THAT DON'T 
MAKE MEDICAL PRODUCTS BUT WANT 
TO PITCH IN.  
EVERY STEP WE HAVE MADE IS 
DRIVEN BY DATA WITH THE GOAL OF 
PROTECTING THE HEALTH OF 
AMERICAN PEOPLE.  
IN PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCIES 
HOWEVER OUR RESPONSE HAS FOUND 
THE URGENT NEED TO MAKE MEDICAL 
PRODUCTS AVAILABLE WITH THE 
PROVISION OF A LEVEL OF 
OVERSIGHT WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO 
THE SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF 
THE MEDICAL PRODUCTS.  
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW 
MOMENTS WHAT FDA IS DOING TO 
HELP THE COUNTRY AT THIS POINT 
AND TO HELP AMERICANS RETURN TO 
WORK AND SCHOOL.  
IT STARTS WITH TESTING AS OERSZ 
MENTIONED.  
FDA WORKED WITH MORE THAN 500 
DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE OR WILL BE 
SUBMITTING EMERGENCY USE AUT 
RACIAL FOR TESTS.  
THIS INCLUDES NEWER TECHNOLOGY 
THAT HAS NOT BEEN USED PRIOR TO 
THE TEST DURING THE PANDEMIC.  
WE'VE BEEN INFORMED BY MORE 
THAN 250 LABORATORIES  BEGUN 
TESTING UNDER FLEX I BELIEVE SO 
WE OUT LIEPD IN MARCH. 
WE ARE CONDUCTING ROLLING 
REVIEWS AT THE UA SUBMISSION SO 
WE CAN QUICKLY AUTHORIZE TEST 
DURING SUPPORT.  
IN A PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY, 
THE ACCURACY OF DIAGNOSTIC TEST 
IS IMPORTANT NOT ONLY FOR THE 
INDIVIDUAL STATION BUT THE 
PUBLIC AT LARGE.  
FDA IS HELPING TO ENSURE THE 
AVAILABILITY OF TEST PROVIDING 
ACCURATE ANSWERS.  
WE ARE ALSO MONITORING THE 
MARKETPLACE FOR FRAUDULENT 
TESTS AND TAKING APPROPRIATE 
ACTIONS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC 
HEALTH AND WORKING TO PROVIDE 
MORE CLARITY ABOUT WHICH TEST 
HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND 
AUTHORIZED BY FDA AND WHICH 
HAVE NOT.  
TESTS WILL PLAY A ROLE IN THE 
RECOVERY UNLIKE DIAGNOSTIC CAN 
DETECT OF THE PRESENCE OF THE 
VIRUS UNLIKE THE ANTIBODY 
TESTING.  
THESE TESTS CAN IDENTIFY 
INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN OVERCOME 
INFECTION WITH DEVELOPING 
IMMUNE RESPONSE.  
WE WILL CONTINUE WORK WITHING 
MANUFACTURES AND GOVERNMENT TO 
FIND A BALANCE FOR ASSURANCES 
THAT AN ANTIBODY TEST IS 
ACCURATE AND TIMELY ACCESSING 
SUCH TESTS.  
OF COURSE, THE WAY WE WILL BEAT 
THE VIRUS WITH VACCINE AND WE 
ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE 
PARTNERS INCLUDING NIH.  
VACCINE DEVELOPERS, 
MANUFACTURERS AND EXPERTS 
ACROSS THE GLOBE.  
WE INTEND TO USE OUR 
FLEXIBILITY TO HELP ENSURE THE 
MOST EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT OF  
A SAFE AND EFFICIENT 
DEVELOPMENT TO BEAT COVID-19.  
UNTIL IT IS DEVELOPED WE DO 
MEDICAL PRODUCTS TO BRIDGE THE 
GAP.  
FDA HAS BEEN WORKING FOR 
SEVERAL MONTHS TO FACILITATE 
THE AVAILABILITY AS 
EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE AND 
WE CREATED AN EMERGENCY PROGRAM 
FOR THE ACCELERATION CALLED THE 
CORONAVIRUS TREATMENT PROGRAM 
FAST TRACK.  
WE REVIEW REQUESTS FROM 
COMPANIES, SCIENTISTS AND 
DOCTORS DEVELOPING THERAPY AND 
USING EVERY DEVELOPING 
AUTHORITY THAT IS APPROPRIATE 
TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT 
FOR SAFE AND EFFECTIVE PRODUCTS 
TO TREAT COVID-19.  
A LOT OF THE AREAS ARE BEING 
EVALUATED BY DR. FAUCI AND 
OTHERS AS MENTIONED INCLUDING 
BUY OWE IMMUNE NOTICE THERAPY 
AND CONVALESCENT TESTING.  
AS WELLS ANNOUNCING THE 
REMDESIVIR AND TREATMENTS FOR 
COVID-19.  
TWO MOST PROMISING ARE THE 
ANTIBODY ROOT PRODUCTS AND I AM 
CERTAINLY WILLING TO GO INTO 
MORE DETAIL IF MEMBER MEMBERS 
OF THE COMMITTEE HAVE QUESTIONS 
ABOUT THIS.  
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING 
AGGRESSIVELY AND CLOSELY TO 
DEVELOP IF SHOWN TO BE SAFE AND 
ACTIVE COULD ACT AS A BRIDGE TO 
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE VACCINE. 
WE RECOGNIZE THE DEVELOPING 
VACCINES AND THERAPIES NEED TO 
GO HAND IN HAND ENSURING THERE 
WILL BE SUFFICIENT SUPPLIES FOR 
OUR COMPANIES AND COUNTRY.  
WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH 
MANUFACTURERS TO MAKE SURE THE 
SUPPLY CHAIN IS ROBUST.  
MR. CHAIRMAN AND RANKING 
MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE CLUE 
COMMITTEE PLEASE KNOW THE FDA 
HAS BEEN A DEDICATED TEAM OF 
THE FINEST SCIENTISTS 
HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS AND PUBLIC 
HEALTHCARE OFFICIALS.  
WE ARE GUIDED BY SCIENCE AND 
DATA AND WON'T LET UP UNTIL WE 
FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF 
PRODUCTS OUR NATION NEEDS TO 
GET BACK TO WORK.  
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR 
QUESTIONS. 
>> THANK YOU, DR. HAHN AND 
THANK YOU TO ALL FOUR OF YOU 
FOR YOUR EXPERTISE FOR YOUR 
DEDICATION TO THE COUNTRY AND 
HARD WORK.  
IS. 
>>>  EACH SENATOR IF VIDEO 
CONFERENCING YOU HAVE A TIME 
CLOCK.  
I WOULD ASK YOU TO STAY WITHIN 
5 MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND 
ANSWERS.  
I WILL START.  
I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR DR. 
FAUCI AND THEN  ADMIRAL.  
DOCTOR, LET'S LOOK DOWN THE 
ROAD THREE MONTHS.  
THERE WILL BE ABOUT 5,000 
CAMPUSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY 
TRYING TO WELCOME 20 MILLION 
COLLEGE STUDENTS.  
100,000 PUBLIC SCHOOLS 
WELCOMING 50 MILLION STUDENTS.  
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE 
CHANCELLOR OF THE UNIVERSITY OF 
TENNESSEE KNOXVILLE OR THE 
PRINCIPAL OF A PUBLIC SCHOOL 
ABOUT HOW TO PERSUADE PARENTS 
AND STUDENTS TO RETURN TO 
SCHOOL IN AUGUST.  
LET'S START WITH TREATMENTS AND 
VACCINES FIRST, DOCTOR FAUCI, 
YOU CAN SAVE HALF OF MY FIVE 
MINUTES FOR THE ADMIRAL FOR 
TESTING I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  
MR. CHAIRMAN.  
I WOULD BE VERY REALISTIC WITH 
THE CHANCELLOR AND TELL HIM 
WHAT WE'RE THINKING IN TERMS. 
>> IT'S A HER IN THIS CASE. 
>> I WOULD TELL HER, I'M SORRY, 
THE IDEA OF HAVING TREATMENTS 
IN THIS CASE AVAILABLE OR A 
VACCINE TO FACILITATE THE RE-
ENTRY OF STUDENTS INTO THE FALL 
TERM WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT 
WOULD BE A BIT OF A BRIDGE TOO 
FAR.  
AS I MENTIONED, THE DRUG THAT 
HAS SHOWN SOME DEGREE OF 
EFFICACY WAS MODEST AND WITHIN 
A HOSPITALIZED PATIENT NOT YET 
OR MAYBE EVER TO BE USED EITHER 
YET AS PROPHOLAXIS OR 
TREATMENT.  
IF YOUNG INDIVIDUALS GOING BACK 
TO SCHOOL AND WOULD LIKE TO 
HAVE COMFORT IN A TREATMENT, 
PROBABLY THE THINGS CLOSEST TO 
UTILIZATION THEN WOULD LIKELY 
BE PASSIVE TRANSFER OF CON VA 
LESS SENT SERUM.  
BUT WE'RE REALLY NOT TALKING 
ABOUT NECESSARILY TREATING A 
STUDENT WHO GETS ILL BUT HOW 
THE STUDENT WILL FEEL SAFE IN 
GOING BACK TO SCHOOL.  
IF THIS WERE A SITUATION WHERE 
WE HAD A VACCINE, THAT WOULD 
REALLY BE THE END OF THE ISSUE, 
IN A POSITIVE WAY.  
AS I MENTIONED IN OPENING 
REMARKS, EVEN AT THE TOP SPEED 
WE'RE GOING, WE DON'T SEE A 
VACCINE PLAYING IN THE ABILITY 
OF INDIVIDUALS TO GET BACK TO 
SCHOOL THIS TERM.  
WHAT THEY REALLY WANT IS TO 
KNOW IF THEY ARE SAFE.  
AND THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT WE 
HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT WE 
DISCUSSED EARLIER ABOUT 
TESTING.  
I'M ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE 
REMARKS.  
I WOULD LIKE TO PASS THE BATON 
TO THE ADMIRAL WHO WILL ADDRESS 
THE QUESTION OF THE 
AVAILABILITY OF TESTING AND 
WHAT ROLE THAT MIGHT PLAY IN 
RETURNING TO SCHOOLS.  
THANK YOU, SIR. 
>> THANK YOU, DR. 
>>>  THANK YOU DOCTOR FAUCI.  
ADMIRAL YOU SAID ABOUT WHILE 
DOING ABOUT 10 MILL BONE TESTS 
IN MONTH WE MIGHT BE AS HIGH AS 
40 OR 50 MILLION BY SEPTEMBER 
AND A MONTH.  
WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT 
INCREASE.  
SO IF I'M CHANCELLOR OF THE 
UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE CAN A 
DEVELOP A STRATEGY WHERE I SAY 
TO STUDENTS WE HAVE XRAFRM AN  
ANTIGEN TEST WHICH IS QUICK AND 
EASY.  
YOU WANT EVERYONE TO COME BY 
AND TAKE IT BEFORE ENTERING 
SCHOOL.  
THAT WOULD LET EVERYBODY ON 
THAT DAY TO MONITOR EVERYONE 
WHO IS POSITIVE IS THAT 
STRATEGY POSSIBLE IN AUGUST AND 
SEPTEMBER? 
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND 
MAY RESERVE 20 SECONDS FOR 
DOCTOR REDFIELD AS WELL.  
THE STRATEGY THAT WILL BE EM 
PLOYED DEPENDS  HEAVILY ON WHAT 
THE COMMUNITY SPREAD IS AT THE 
TIME.  
IF NO COMMUNITY SPREAD, THE 
STRATEGY WILL BE DIFFERENT IF 
HIGH COMMUNITY SPREAD, IT WILL 
ALSO BE DIFFERENT.  
TECHNICALLY WE WILL HAVE THE 
ABILITY AND YOUR CHONS LORE 
WILL HAVE THE ABILITY WE EXPECT 
20 TO 30 MILLION POINT OF CARE 
TESTS AVAILABLE.  
IT IS CERTAINLY TO TEST ALL 
STUDENTS OR MUCH MORE LIKELY 
THERE WILL BE A SURVEILLANCE 
STRATEGY WHERE YOU TEST SOME OF 
THE STUDENTS AT DIFFERENT TIMES 
TO GIVE AN ENSURE ANSWER THERE 
IS NO CIRCULATION DONE IN 
CONJUNCTION WITH THE CDC AND 
LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT.  
AND ALSO STRATEGIES NEEDING TO 
BE VALIDATING LIKE A POOLING 
SAMPLE.  
WE KNOW IN EXPERIMENTAL LABS AS 
MANY AS 10 OR 20 SAMPLES CAN BE 
POOLED.  
ESSENTIALLY ONE TEST CAN TEST 
20 STUDENTS.  
FINALLY THERE ARE EXPERIMENTAL 
APPROACHES THAT LOOK 
INTERESTING IF NOT PROMISING.  
LIKE WASTE WATER FROM AN 
INSPIRE DORM OR CAMPUS COULD BE 
TESTED TO DETERMINE WHETHER 
CORONAVIRUS IN THAT SEWAGE,  
THE WASTE WATER SO OTHER 
STRATEGIES BEING DEVELOPED AND 
I WOULD LIKE TO -- AT LEAST 
GIVE 20 SECONDS TO DR. REDFIELD 
WHO IS WORKING ON THE STRATEGY 
OF HOW TO EM PLOY THE TASK 
DRIVEN TESTING THE SPREAD. 
>> FIRST IT IS IMPORTANT TO 
EVALUATE CRITICALLY THE ROLE OF 
CHANGES AND SOCIAL DISTANCING 
ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND SCHOOLS 
IN SITUATIONS TO NOT FORGET THE 
IMPORTANCE OF WHAT WE LEARNED 
AND CLEARLY DWOMG THE WELLNESS 
PROGRAMS MAKING SURE PEOPLE 
UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY ARE A 
SYMPTOMATIC.  
THEY NEED TO SEEK EVALUATION.  
WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE 
ROLE OF TESTING.  
THERE WILL BE AN IMPORTANT ROLE 
OF TESTING IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES 
AND I THINK IT WILL BE 
INDIVIDUALIZED BASED ON WHERE 
THESE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS ARE AND 
WHERE THE INFECTION IS -- 
>>  I'M GOING TO WRAP IT UP 
THERE SO I CAN GIVE A GOOD 
EXAMPLE FOR THE OTHER SENATORS 
WITH THE FIVE MINUTES.  
SENATOR MURRAY. 
>>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. 
CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU TO ALL 
WITNESSES.  
DR. FAUCI YOU WARNED OF 
NEEDLESS SUFFERING AND DEATH IF 
WE PUSH TO REOPEN TOO SOON.  
THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SENDING 
AN OPPOSITE MESSAGE.  
I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT IS THE 
IMPORTANT MESSAGE YOU HAVE FOR 
COMMUNITIES AND STATES THAT ARE 
REOPENING EVEN AS PUBLIC HEALTH 
EXPERTS MAKE IT CLEAR IT'S TOO 
SOON.  
TELL US WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES 
ARE. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE 
QUESTION, AS I SAID MANY TIMES 
PUBLICLY WHAT WE HAVE WORKED 
OUT IS A GUIDELINE FRAMEWORK OF 
HOW YOU CAN SAFELY OPEN AMERICA 
AGAIN.  
AND SEVERAL CHECK POINTS IN 
THAT.  
WITH A GATEWAY FIRST OF 
SHOWING, DEPENDING ON THE 
DYNAMICS OF AN OUTBREAK IN A 
PARTICULAR REGION, STATE, CITY 
OR AREA, THAT WOULD REALLY 
DETERMINE THE SPEED AND THE 
PACE WITH WHICH ONE DOES 
REENTER OR REOPEN.  
SO, MY WORD HAS BEEN AND I'VE 
ENT IN THIS:  THAT 
I GET CONCERNED IF YOU HAVE A 
SITUATION WITH WHERE THE 
DYNAMICS OF AN OUTBREAK IN AN 
AREA ARE SUCH YOU HAVE NOT SEEN 
THE GRAD WHALE 14-DAY DECREASE 
THAT ALLOWS YOU TO GO TO PHASE 
1 AND PASS IT IS CHECK POINTS 
OF PHASE 1 AND GO TO PHASE 2 
AND 3.  I'VE EXPRESSED AGAIN 
AND AGAIN MY CONCERN THAT IF 
SOME AREAS, CITIES AND CITIES 
OR WHAT HAVE YOU JUMP OVER THE 
VARIOUS CHECK POINTS AND 
PREMATURELY OPEN UP WITHOUT 
HAVING THE CAPABILITY OF BEING 
ABLE TO RESPOND EFFECTIVELY AND 
EFFICIENTLY, MY CONCERN IS THAT 
WE WOULD START TO SEE LITTLE 
SPIKES THAT MIGHT TURN INTO 
OUTBREAKS.  
THEREFORE I HAVE MADE IT CLEAR 
IN MY MESSAGE TO TRY TO THE 
BEST EXTENT POSSIBLE TO GO BY 
THE GUIDELINES WHICH HAVE BEEN 
VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND VERY 
WELL DELINEATED.  
[ BRIEF PAUSE IN CAPTIONING ]  
>>> WILL DETERMINE WHETHER YOU 
CAN CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD AS 
YOU TRY TO REOPEN AMERICA.  
SO IT'S NOT ONLY DOING IT AT 
THE APPROPRIATE TIME BUT THE 
APPROPRIATE CONSTRAINTS BUT 
HAVING IN PLACE THE ABILITY TO 
RESPOND 
>> IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE 
ACKNOWLEDGE, WHICH IS ABOUT 
TESTING AND FOR MONTHS THIS 
ADMINISTRATION'S APPROACH TO 
TESTING HAS REALLY BEEN FLAGGED 
BY UNREALIZED GOALS AND 
DISREGARD FOR SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS 
WITHIN THAT APPLY CHAIN AND 
LAST WEEK ON AVERAGE JUST 
250,000 TESTS PER DAY WAS 
PERFORMED IN THE UNITED STATES. 
THAT IS A SMALL FRACTION OF 
WHAT WE NEED.  
AND YESTERDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP 
HAD THE GALL -- IN A PRESS 
CONFERENCE THAT WAS FILLED WITH 
MISINFORMATION AND DISTORTION.  
DR. GERARD, PUBLIC HEALTH 
EXPERTS DO NOT THINK THE U.S. 
HAS PREVAILED.  
I'M GLAD YOU FINALLY COMMITTED 
TO STATES RECEIVING ENOUGH 
TESTS.  
BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS HAD 
A RECORD OF GIVING US BROKEN 
PROMISES OF MORE TESTING 
SUPPLIES COMING AND THEY DON'T 
AND WE KNOW BY THE WAY THAT 
TESTING IS GOING TO LAST LONG 
PAST JUNE.  
I WANTED TO ASK YOU TODAY, WILL 
THE ADMINISTRATION'S 
FORTHCOMING STRATEGIC PLAN THAT 
IS REQUIRED UNDER THE COVID 
PACKAGE THAT WAS JUST PASSED 
INTO LAW, WILL THAT STRATEGY 
PLAN ON TESTING INCLUDE 
SPECIFIC NUMERIC TARGETS FOR 
TESTING CAPACITY, SUPPLY CHAIN 
CAPACITY AND PROJECTION OF 
SHORTAGES? 
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
AND STATEMENT, SENATOR MURRAY.  
WE ARE AS WE STATED, CONTINUE 
TO HAVE A WORK IN PROGRESS AS 
WE BUILD THE TESTING CAPACITY.  
WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE TAR 
GETS WHICH THE STATE OF OVER 12 
MILLION TESTS OVER THE NEXT 
FOUR WEEKS.  
WE THINK THOSE TARGETS ARE 
GOING TO BE GOOD IN MAY AND 
JUNE BUT AS DR. FAUCI SAID, WE 
REALLY HAVE TO BE EVIDENCE-
BASED.  
WE EXPECT THOSE TARGETS TO GO 
UP AS WE PROGRESSIVELY OPEN, AS 
COMMUNITIES GO THROUGH PHASE 1 
AND THEN INTO PHASE 2 AND 
CERTAINLY THOSE NUMBERS WILL 
NEED TO GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY 
AGAIN IN THE FALL WHEN WE 
POTENTIALLY HAVE INFLUENZA 
CIRCULATING WITH COVID.  
YES, THERE WILL BE TARGETS.  
THE TARGETS WILL NEED TO CHANGE 
BASED ON THE EVIDENCE WE SEE 
BUT WE ARE HIGHLY COMMITTED TO 
SECURING THE SUPPLY CHAIN.  
WE WORK DAILY WITH EVERY 
MANUFACTURER AND I'M PLEASED 
WE'RE IN MAY AND JUNE ABLE TO 
GET AHEAD OF THE STATES SO THAT 
WE CAN SUPPLY THEM WHAT THEY 
NEED SO THEY HAVE THOS 
ASSURANCES. 
>> MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHEN 
YOU PUT OUT THAT SPECIFIC PLAN, 
WE WILL SEE NUMBERS THAT YOU 
ARE GOING TO TELL US THAT YOU 
WILL REACH, TARGETS FOR TESTING 
AND SUPPLY CHAIN CAPACITY, 
INSTEAD OF SAYING WE HOPE TO 
HAVE A MILLION THIS WEEK OR 
NEXT WEEK, YOU WILL GIVE US THE 
SPECIFIC TARGETS, CORRECT? 
>> I'LL SAY, YES, MA'AM, WE 
KNOW THE SPECIFIC AMOUNTS OF 
TESTS WE HAVE OVER THE SUMMER 
-- 
>> NOT HAVE.  
HOW MANY WE NEED. 
>> SO YES, MA'AM, WE DEVELOP 
THE NEED STATEMENTS BY WORKING 
WITH THE STATES INDIVIDUALLY 
WITH EPIDEMIOLOGISTS, WITH THE 
CDC, SO THAT OVERALL IN MAY 
WE'LL BE TESTING 3.9% OF THE 
OVERALL U.S. POPULATION. 
>> THAT'S FINE BUT WHAT I'M -- 
>> YOU'RE TIME, SENATOR MURRAY. 
>> HOW MANY WE WILL NEED, NOT 
JUST FOR MAY BUT IN THE COMING 
MONTHS SO THAT WE CAN BE 
PREPARED TO HAVE THEM. 
>> YES, MA'AM, AND NOT TO BE 
REPETITIVE BUT WE NEED TO BE 
EVIDENCE AND DATA-DRIVEN 
BECAUSE WHAT WE MAY SEE IN MAY 
OR JUNE WILL DRIVE DIFFERENCES 
IN THE AMOUNT OF TEST GOALS WE 
HAVE, SO WE REALLY JUST NEED TO 
BE VERY HUMBLE ABOUT THIS.  
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE DATA.  
WE KNOW THAT THE TESTING NEEDS 
WILL GO UP OVER MAY AND JUNE AS 
WE PROGRESSIVELY OPEN, AND WE 
WILL DO OUR BEST TO PREDICT 
THAT.  
BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE 
HAVE TO SEE WHEN THE DATA AND 
EVIDENCE SHOW AT THAT TIME. 
>> OKAY.  
I APPRECIATE THAT.  
MR. CHAIRMAN, AGAIN, WITH OUR 
STRATEGIC PLAN REQUIRED IS WHAT 
IS THE GOAL, NOT HOW MANY WE 
HAVE, BUT HOW MANY WE NEED AND 
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING 
FOR.  
THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR MURRAY.  
. 
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND 
I PARTICULARLY APPRECIATE THAT 
YOUR OPENING STATEMENT WHERE 
YOU HAD VERY SUCCINCT LIST OF 
PREPARATIONS WE NEED TO LEARN 
FROM THIS PANDEMIC FOR THE NEXT 
ONE.  
NOT ONLY SHOULD WE BE WORKING 
ON THIS AND PREPARING BUT WE 
NEED TO LEARN, TOO.  
WE'RE FIGHTING A VIRUS AT THE 
SAME TIME THE SCIENTISTS ARE 
LEARNING ABOUT IT.  
WE NEED TO BE NIMBLE.  
WE NEED TO BE SURE WE ARE 
PREPARED FOR A SECOND WAVE OF 
OUTBREAKS THAT COINCIDE WITH 
THE START OF THE FLU SEASON, 
POTENTIALLY STRETCHING OUR 
HEALTH CARE SYSTEM EVEN MORE 
THAN IT ALREADY HAS BEEN.  
ADMIRAL, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR 
COMMENTS.  
I THINK THAT THEY'VE BEEN 
COMFORTING ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN 
DONE AND WHAT CAN BE DONE.  
I AGREE WITH SENATOR MURRAY 
THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME 
SPECIFIC GOALS.  
AS AN ACCOUNTANT, THAT'S ALWAYS 
ONE OF THE THINGS I'M LOOKING 
FOR.  
FOR QUESTIONS, DR. HAHN, OUR 
UNDERSTANDING OF THE CLINICAL 
PICTURE OF COVID-19 CONTINUES 
TO EVOLVE, WHAT FIRST LOOKED 
LIKE A RESPIRATORY ILLNESS NOW 
SEEMS MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE, 
POTENTIALLY AFFECTING THE 
HEART, THE BRAIN AND OTHER 
ORGANS, HOW DOES THIS EVOLVING 
PICTURE IMPACT THE ABILITY TO 
EVALUATE THE APPROPRIATE 
CLINICAL END POINTS FOR REVIEW 
OF VACCINES AND TREATMENTS? 
>>  THANK YOU, SENATOR, FOR 
THAT QUESTION.  
THE EVOLVING CLINICAL PICTURE 
AND OBVIOUSLY THE WAY THIS IS 
MANIFESTING AROUND THE COUNTRY, 
CLINICALLY, DOES, IN FACT, 
INFORM THE END POINTS THAT WE 
WILL WORK WITH DEVELOPERS OF 
THERAPIES ON SO THAT WE CAN GET 
THE ABSOLUTE MOST EFFICIENT BUT 
ALSO THE MOST OKAY RAT  
ACCURATE INFORMATION AND 
APPROPRIATE END POINTS TO MAKE 
THE NECESSARY AUTHORIZATIONS 
AND APPROVALS.  
WE HAVE SET UP THIS PROGRAM 
CALLED THE CORONAVIRUS 
TREATMENT ACCELERATION PROGRAM 
WHERE OUR TOP SCIENTISTS AND 
CLINICIANS HAVE BEEN AT THE 
TABLE CONSULTING WITH OUR 
COLLEAGUES AT NIH AND CDC TO 
ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS.  
WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE END 
POINTS.  
GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE, WE DO 
KNOW IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, 
PATIENTS WHO HAD SEVERE COVID 
DISEASE HAVE DEVELOPED CLOTTING 
TYPE EPISODES SO WE PRIORITIZE 
A REVIEW OF AGENTS THAT MIGHT 
BE BENEFICIAL AND THE CLINICAL 
END POINTS WILL BE DIFFERENT AN 
ANTI-VIRAL LIKE REMDESIVIR.  
SO WE WANT TO ADAPT IT TO THE 
CLINICAL CIRCUMSTANCE AS WELL 
AS TO THE TYPE OF THERAPY 
THAT'S PUT BEFORE US. 
>> THANK YOU.  
ANOTHER QUESTION TO DR. HAHN, 
WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS 
IN VACCINE DEVELOPMENT ALREADY. 
BUT BARTA HAS IDENTIFIED THAT 
MANUFACTURING OF NEEDLES AND 
SIR  SIR  SYRINGES -- TO ENSURE 
WE HAVE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO 
ADMINISTER A VACCINE? 
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT 
POINT BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED, 
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE VACCINE 
OR HOPEFULLY VACCINES THAT ARE 
DEVELOPED.  
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE -- IT'S ALSO 
ABOUT THE SUPPLIES THAT ARE 
NEEDED AS WELL AS AN 
OPERATIONAL PLAN FOR 
ADMINISTERING THE VACCINE.  
SO THIS ISN'T ALL A GOVERNMENT 
APPROACH.  
THERE IS A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN 
SET UP CALLED "OPERATION WARP 
SPEED" THAT INCLUDES DR. 
COLLINS, DR. FAUCI, HIS 
COLLEAGUES AT NIH, DEPARTMENT 
OF DEFENSE, AS WELL AS OTHER 
MEMBERS OF HHS AND FDA.  
DR. PETER MARX FROM OUR CENTER 
FOR BUY LOGIC EVALUATION AND 
RESEARCH HAS BEEN WORKING 
CLOSELY WITH DR. FAUCI AND HIS 
TEAM AND WE HAVE CREATED A 
CHART WHAT ARE THE NECESSARY 
SUPPLY CHAIN, ET CETERA, HOW 
MANY TIMES THEY HAVE TO BE 
ADMINISTERED AND THE ROUTES OF 
ADMINISTRATION.  
WE'VE BEEN LEANING IN ON THIS 
SUPPLY CHAIN SO THAT WHEN A 
VACCINE IS READY TO GO, WE WILL 
HAVE THE NECESSARY SUPPLIES TO 
ADMINISTER IT AND 
OPERATIONALIZE THE 
VACCINATIONS. 
>> THANK YOU.  
I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS 
BUT THE CLOCK IS NOT VISIBLE 
THERE SO I EXPECT I'VE USED UP 
MY TIME.  
I'LL SUBMIT THOSE IN WRITING.  
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR ENZI.  
SENATOR SANDERS. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 
CHAIRMAN.  
AND LET ME THANK ALL OF THE 
PANELISTS FOR THE HARD WORK 
THEY'RE DOING AND FOR BEING 
WITH US TODAY.  
IT IS SAD TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A 
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, 
THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY, WHO 
FROM DAY 1 DOWNPLAYED THE 
DANGERS FACING THIS COUNTRY 
FROM THE PANDEMIC, WHO TOLD US 
THAT THE CRISIS WOULD BE OVER 
IN A FEW MONTHS, THAT WE DID 
NOT HAVE TO WORRY, WHO FIRED 
THOSE MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENT 
WHO WANTED TO ACT AGGRESSIVELY 
AND AMONG OTHER THINGS THE TIME 
WHEN WE NEED INTERNATIONAL 
COOPERATION CUT FUNDING FOR THE 
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.  
LET ME ALSO SAY THAT I THINK WE 
UNDERSTAND THAT FACTS ARE 
TERRIBLY IMPORTANT.  
NOT EVERYBODY THAT WE DON'T 
FULLY UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE 
RAMIFICATIONS OF THE COVID-19 
EPIDEMIC, BUT LET ME ASK DR. 
FAUCI A FEW QUESTIONS, IF I 
MIGHT.  
THE OFFICIAL STATISTIC, DR. 
FAUCI, IS THAT 80,000 AMERICANS 
HAVE DIED FROM THE PANDEMIC.  
THERE ARE SOME EPIDEMIOLOGISTS 
WHO SUGGEST THE NUMBER MAY BE 
50% HIGHER THAN THAT.  
WHAT DO YOU THINK? 
>> I'M NOT SURE, SENATOR 
SANDERS SANDERS, IF IT'S GOING 
TO BE 50% HIGHER BUT MOST OF US 
FEEL THAT THE NUMBER OF DEATHS 
ARE LIKELY HIGHER THAN THAT 
NUMBER BECAUSE GIVEN THE 
SITUATION PARTICULARLY IN NEW 
YORK CITY WHEN THEY WERE 
STRAPPED WITH A VERY SERIOUS 
CHALLENGE TO THEIR HEALTH CARE 
SYSTEM THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN 
PEOPLE WHO DIED AT HOME WHO DID 
HAVE COVID WHO WERE NOT COUNTED 
AS COVID BECAUSE THEY NEVER 
REALLY GOT TO THE HOSPITAL.  
IN DIRECT ANSWER TO YOUR 
QUESTION, I THINK YOU ARE 
CORRECT THAT THE NUMBER IS 
LIKELY HIGHER.  
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT 
PERCENT HIGHER BUT ALMOST 
CERTAINLY IT'S HIGHER. 
>> DR. FAUCI, LET ME ASK YOU 
THIS.  
IN THE TERRIBLE PANDEMIC OF 
1918, THE VIRUS EXPLODED IN THE 
FALL, CAME BACK WITH A 
VENGEANCE.  
ARE WE FEARFUL IF WE DON'T GET 
OUR ACT TOGETHER, AS BAD AS THE 
SITUATION IS NOW, IT COULD 
BECOME WORSE IN THE FALL OR 
WINTER? 
>> SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR THAT 
QUESTION.  
IT'S A FREQUENTLY-ASKED 
QUESTION.  
I THINK THE POSSIBILITY DOES 
EXIST.  
HOWEVER, AND THE REASON I SAY 
THAT IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK WILL 
THIS VIRUS JUST DISAPPEAR AND 
I'VE SAID PUBLICLY MANY TIMES 
THAT IS JUST NOT GOING TO 
HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S A HIGHLY 
TRANSMISSIBLE VIRUS AND EVEN IF 
WE GET BETTER CONTROL OVER THE 
NEXT MONTHS, IT'S LIKELY THERE 
WILL BE VIRUS SOMEWHERE ON THIS 
PLANET THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GET 
BACK TO US.  
MY APPROACH TOWARDS THE 
POSSIBILITY OF A REBOUND OR 
SECOND WAVE IN THE FALL IS 
THAT, A, IT'S ENTIRELY 
CONCEIVABLE AND POSSIBLE IT 
WILL HAPPEN, BUT B, I WOULD 
HOPE THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, 
GIVEN THE CAPABILITY OF DOING 
THE TESTING THAT YOU HEARD FROM 
ADMIRAL AND THE ABILITY OF US 
TO STOCK UP ON PERSONAL 
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, AND THE 
WORK FORCE THAT THE CDC UNDER 
DR. RED FIELD WILL BE PUTTING 
FORTH, I THINK HOPE THAT IF WE 
DO HAVE A THREAT OF A SECOND 
WAVE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DEAL 
WITH IT VERY EFFECTIVELY TO 
PREVENT IT FROM BECOMING AN 
OUTBREAK NOT ONLY WORSE THAN 
NOW BUT MUCH, MUCH LESS. 
>> LET ME ASK -- WE'VE HEARD A 
LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT 
VACCINES, OBVIOUSLY, EVERYBODY 
IN CONGRESS AND IN THIS COUNTRY 
WANTS A VACCINE.  
WE WANT IT AS QUICKLY AS 
POSSIBLE, AS EFFECTIVE AS 
POSSIBLE.  
LET ME ASK THE HONORABLE FDA 
COMMISSIONER, SIR, IF, GOD 
WILLING, A VACCINE IS DEVELOPED 
AND WE'RE ABLE TO PRODUCE IT AS 
QUICKLY AS WE ALL HOPE WE CAN, 
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT 
VACCINE WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED TO 
ALL PEOPLE FREE OF CHARGE, MAKE 
SURE AT LEAST THAT EVERYBODY IN 
AMERICA WHO NEEDS THAT VACCINE 
WILL GET IT REGARDLESS OF THEIR 
INCOME.  
IS THAT A FAIR ASSUMPTION? 
>> SENATOR, I CERTAINLY HOPE 
SO.  
FDA IS VERY COMMITTED TO MAKING 
SURE THAT ALL POPULATIONS IN 
THE UNITED STATES, INCLUDING 
THOSE MOST VULNERABLE, ARE 
INCLUDED IN THE CLINICAL TRIALS 
-- 
>> SIR, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M 
ASKING.  
WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IF AND WHEN 
THE VACCINE COMES, IT WON'T DO 
SOMEBODY ANY GOOD IF THEY DON'T 
GET IT AND IF THEY HAVE TO PAY 
A SUM OF MONEY FOR IT IN ORDER 
TO PROFIT THE DRUG COMPANIES, 
THAT WILL NOT BE HELPFUL.  
ARE YOU GUARANTEEING THE 
AMERICAN PEOPLE TODAY THAT THAT 
VACCINE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO 
ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF THEIR 
INCOME? 
>> SIR, THE PAYMENT OF VACCINE 
IS NOT A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE 
FDA BUT I'M GLAD TO TAKE THIS 
BACK TO THE TASK FORCE.  
I SHARE YOUR CONCERN THAT THIS 
NEEDS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO 
EVERY AMERICAN. 
>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO 
COMMENT ON THAT? 
DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD MAKE 
THAT VACCINE AND HOPEFULLY IT 
IS CREATED AVAILABLE TO ALL 
REGARDLESS OF INCOME? 
OR DO YOU THINK THAT POOR 
PEOPLE AND WORKING PEOPLE 
SHOULD HAVE LAST IN LINE FOR 
THE VACCINE? 
>> MY OFFICES IS ONE OF THE 
OFFICES COMMITTED TO SERVING 
THE UNDERSERVED AND WE WANT TO 
BE CERTAIN THAT IF A VACCINE IS 
AVAILABLE, THAT IT REACHES ALL 
SEGMENTS OF SOCIETY REGARDLESS 
OF THEIR ABILITY TO PAY OR ANY 
OTHER SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF 
HEALTH THAT THERE MAY BE. 
>> WHAT YOU'RE TELLING THE 
AMERICAN PEOPLE TODAY IS THAT 
REGARDLESS OF INCOME, EVERY 
AMERICAN WILL BE ABLE TO GAIN 
ACCESS TO THAT VACCINE WHEN IT 
COMES? 
>> THEY SHOULD GAIN ACCESS TO 
IT.  
I DON'T CONTROL, YOU KNOW -- 
>> YOU REPRESENT THAT AN 
ADMINISTRATION THAT MAKES THAT 
DECISION.  
>> I WILL CERTAINLY ADVOCATE 
THAT EVERYONE RECEIVE THE 
VACCINE REGARDLESS OF 
CIRCUMSTANCE. 
>> SENATOR SANDERS -- 
>> THANK YOU. 
>> THOSE ARE IMPORTANT 
QUESTIONS.  
I DON'T WANT TO CUT SENATORS 
OFF AND IT'S HARD TO SEE THE 
TIME CLOCK -- 
>> YOU'RE WATCHING THIS HEARING 
AT THE HEALTH EDUCATION LABOR 
AND PENSION COMMITTEE OF THE 
U.S. SENATE, AN UNUSUAL ONE, 
THAT PICTURE SPEAKS VOLUME 
THERE, ONLY A HANDFUL OF 
SENATORS IN THE ROOM, OTHERS 
ALONG WITH KEY WITNESSES FOR 
LEADERS OF OUR HEALTH SYSTEM, 
ALL APPEARING REMOTELY BECAUSE 
OF OBVIOUSLY THE CONCERNS, THE 
GENERAL CONCERNS IN A FEW 
CASES, CONCERNS THAT THEY MAY 
THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO 
THE CORONAVIRUS.  
ALSO THIS IS THE FIRST CHANCE 
FOR MANY OF THESE EXPERTS TO 
SPEAK FREE OF THE WHITE HOUSE, 
SPEAK DIRECTLY TO MEMBERS OF 
THE SENATE WHO CONTINUE TO HONE 
DOWN ON ISSUES OF TESTING AND 
ALSO THE RISK OF COMMUNITIES 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY OPENING 
POTENTIALLY PREMATURELY.  
WE HEARD DR. FAUCI MENTION THAT 
INEVITABLY WHEN YOU BEGIN TO 
OPEN UP SOCIETY WE WILL SEE 
MORE CASES.  
HIS CONCERN IS THAT MANY 
COMMUNITIES MAY NOT BE PREPARED 
FOR THOSE CONSEQUENCES.  
THIS WILL GO ON FOR A COUPLE OF 
HOURS BUT WE WANT TO BRING IN 
CASEY HADN'T WHO HAS BEEN 
WATCHING THIS FOR US.  
CASEY, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE 
OF THIS HEARING AND WHAT 
HAPPENS AFTER? 
>> WELL, LESTER, I THINK THAT 
WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IS A MEANT IS 
FOCUSED ON FACTS, THE REALITY 
OF TESTING, THE REALITIES OF 
REOPENING IN A WAY THAT, YOU 
KNOW, IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN 
WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING DAILY AT 
THE WHITE HOUSE WHERE WE HAVE 
SEEN QUITE A BIT OF POLITICKING 
AND NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME 
SET OF FACTS FROM THE PRESIDENT 
AS WE ARE HEARING FROM THESE 
OFFICIALS TODAY.  
DR. FAUCI, OF COURSE, 
TESTIFYING HE THOUGHT IT WOULD 
BE A BRIDGE TOO FAR TO THINK WE 
WOULD HAVE A VACCINE IN TIME 
FOR FALL FESTIVALS.  
HE ALSO SAID THAT HE WAS 
CONCERNED THAT IF WE OPEN UP 
TOO QUICKLY IN RESPONSE TO 
SENATOR MURRAY, THAT WE WOULD 
START TO SEE SPIKES, OUTBREAKS 
THAT POTENTIALLY COULD TURN 
INTO SOMETHING BIGGER.  
HE WAS PRETTY MEASURED AND 
CAUTIOUS IN HIS RESPONSES HERE 
AS DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN URGING 
HIM NOT TO PULL ANY PUNCHES.  
HE HASN'T BEEN GOING AFTER HIS 
BOSS, GOING AFTER THE 
PRESIDENT, BUT HE HAS BEEN 
PRESENTING A PRETTY 
STRAIGHTFORWARD PICTURE OF A 
VERY DIRE SITUATION ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY.  
ONE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME, 
LESTER, HE ACKNOWLEDGED IT'S 
LIKELY THAT THE COUNT OF THE 
NUMBER OF DEATHS IN THIS 
COUNTRY IS NOT ACTUALLY TAKING 
INTO ACCOUNT EVERYONE WHO HAS 
BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS.  
HE TALKED PARTICULARLY ABOUT 
NEW YORK CITY AND REPORTS OF 
PEOPLE WHO WERE DYING IN THEIR 
HOMES ARE LIKELY NOT PART OF 
THE OFFICIAL CORONAVIRUS DEATH 
TALLY, SO VERY MUCH BOTH FROM A 
FACTUAL PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO 
FROM AN OPTICS AND REALITY OF 
HOW THIS HEARING HAD TO PLAY 
OUT PERSPECTIVE, YES, WE'RE 
TALKING ABOUT ATTEMPTING TO 
REOPEN THE COUNTRY, BUT THERE 
ARE SO MANY SIGNS HERE OF HOW 
THE WAYS IN WHICH WE ARE.  
THE FACT THEY ARE SELF-
QUARANTINING, THEY'RE NOT HERE 
IN PERSON.  
THERE ARE VERY FEW SENATORS IN 
THE HEARING ROOMING, THE CAMPUS 
HERE ON CAPITOL HILL VERY 
DESERTED.  
ALL UNDERSCORING THAT WE ARE 
STILL VERY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE 
OF THIS, LESTER. 
>> IT'S AS IF WE'RE ALL LIVING 
IN THESE VIDEO BOXES AND 
CERTAINLY SPREADING TO THE U.S. 
SENATE.  
CASEY, THANK YOU.  
THERE IS THE CONTRAST AND WHAT 
WE'VE HEARD FROM DR. FAUCI AND 
WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM 
THE WHITE HOUSE AS RECENTLY AS 
YESTERDAY AS THE PRESIDENT 
TRUMPETED, RAMPED UP TESTING 
EVEN AS WE HEARD IN THE HEARING 
ROOM A MOMENT AGO FROM SENATOR 
LAMAR ALEXANDER THAT THERE IS 
NOT ENOUGH TESTING.  
LET'S GO TO JEFF AT THE WHITE 
HOUSE.  
WHAT'S THE READ ON THAT FROM 
PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE? 
>> Reporter: I'D LIKE TO 
UNDERSCORE AND AMPLIFY A POINT 
YOU MADE IN THAT THIS IS RARE 
TESTIMONY.  
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE 
COUNTRY IS HEARING FROM THE 
NATION'S TOP FOUR HEALTH 
OFFICIALS WHICH WERE CHARGED 
WITH THE FEDERAL CORONAVIRUS 
RESPONSE IN AN UNFILTERED 
MANNER, AWAY FROM THE CLOSE AND 
CAREFUL GAZE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP 
WHO AT TIMES IN PREVIOUS 
HEARINGS HAS CUT OFF OR 
REDIRECTED SOME OF THESE 
ANSWERS, BUT A COUPLE OF 
HEADLINES HERE, BECAUSE THERE 
WAS THIS POINT OF BIPARTISAN 
AGREEMENT ON THE TESTING FRONT. 
AS YOU MENTIONED, LAMAR 
ALEXANDER, THE REPUBLICAN FROM 
TENNESSEE WHO CHAIRS THIS 
COMMITTEE, SAID WHAT OUR 
COUNTRY HAS DONE SO FAR ON 
TESTING IS IMPRESSIVE BUT NOT 
NEARLY ENOUGH.  
WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE TOP 
DEMOCRAT, WE NEED DRAMATICALLY 
MORE TESTING.  
IT'S UNACCEPTABLE WE DON'T HAVE 
A NATIONAL STRATEGY PLAN TO 
MAKE SURE TESTING IS FAST, FREE 
AND EVERYWHERE.  
THAT STANDS IN STARK CONTRAST 
WITH WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD 
ME YESTERDAY IN THE ROSE 
GARDEN.  
HE SAID THIS COUNTRY HAS 
PREPALED ON TESTING WHEN WE 
HEARD FROM ADMIRAL, HE PROJECTS 
THE NATION WILL BE CAPABLE OF 
PERFORMING ROUGHLY 40 MILLION 
TO 50 MILLION TESTS PER MONTH 
SO PUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT 
MEANS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S 
STATEMENT, HE SAID THIS A 
COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, EVERYONE 
WHO WANTS A TEST GETS A 
TESTING, THAT ACCORDING TO G
IROIR WILL BE THE CASE IN 
SEPTEMBER. 
>> ANOTHER ISSUE THAT DR. FAUCI 
WAS STRESSING WAS THERE WILL BE 
INEVITABLY MORE CASES AS YOU 
OPEN UP SOCIETY AND HE WAS 
CONCERNED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO 
RESPOND.  
IF YOU RECALL IT WAS JUST OVER 
A MONTH AGO THAT NEW YORK WAS 
SEEING ITS PEAK.  
I THINK AT ONE POINT IT WAS 
CLOSE TO 900 DEATHS A DAY AND 
THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM HERE WAS 
STRAINED POTENTIALLY TO THE 
BREAKING POINT.  
IS THE CONCERN THAT WE MAY HEAR 
THOSE CALLS ONCE AGAIN FOR 
VENTILATORS AND PPE IN SOME OF 
THESE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVEN'T 
BEEN HIT YET? 
>> Reporter: LESTER, THAT'S THE 
BIG CONCERN BECAUSE WHAT HE 
SAID IS WE KNOW THESE CASES ARE 
GOING TO GO UP.  
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF KEEPING 
IT UNDER CONTROL.  
ISOLATING, TESTING -- SOME 
COMMUNITIES MIGHT HAVE MET SOME 
OF THE STATISTICS AS FAR AS THE 
14-DAY DECLINE BUT THEY MIGHT 
NOT HAVE THOSE OTHER THINGS IN 
PLACE SO WHEN THEY START SEEING 
THE OUTBREAKS THEY CAN'T 
CONTROL THEM.  
OTHERWISE WE START GETTING BACK 
TO SQUARE 1, SOMETHING NONE OF 
US WANT TO DO, LESTER. 
>> ALL RIGHT.  
THANKS, DOCTOR.  
LET ME BRING IN THE MODERATOR 
OF "MEET THE PRESS," CHUCK 
TODD.  
WE NOTED THIS WAS A DIFFERENT 
TONE IN THIS HEARING THAN WHAT 
WE HEARD FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, 
EVEN REPUBLICAN MEMBERS 
EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT THE 
LEVEL OF TESTING.  
WHERE DOES THIS GO HERE IN 
TERMS OF SUPPORT FOR THE 
PRESIDENT EVEN WITHIN HIS OWN 
PARTY? 
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO 
POINT OUT IS THIS PROBABLY 
AMONG ONE OF THE MOST 
FUNCTIONAL COMMITTEES ON A 
BIPARTISAN BASIS.  
IT'S NICKNAMED THE HEALTH 
COMMITTEE, A LOT OF THAT IS DUE 
TO LAMAR ALEXANDER AND PATTY 
MURRAY, THE TWO LEADING 
SENATORS OF THE COMMITTEE 
BECAUSE THEY DO A GOOD JOB 
WORKING TOGETHER.  
THEY HAD SOME SHARED HEALTH 
PRIORITIES IN GENERAL.  
THEY MAY BE IDEA LOGICALLY 
OPPOSED BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY 
THEY'RE CLOSE.  
I'M LISTENING TO THIS HEARING 
AND ON ONE HAND YOU'RE 
ENCOURAGED BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS 
DEALING WITH THE SAME SET OF 
FACTS AND I THINK THIS IS A 
REMINDER THAT IN SOME WAYS, 
LESTER, AS UNCOMFORTABLE AS IT 
IS TO SAY IT, PRESIDENT TRUMP 
DOESN'T -- HIS PRESENCE SEEMS 
TO CREATE MORE CHAOS, CREATE 
MORE ISSUES IN A GIVEN MOMENT.  
TAKE HIM OUT OF THE EQUATION 
AND YOU HAVE SORT OF A CLEAR, 
IF I WOULD SAY TOUGH PICTURE 
THAT WE'RE FACING.  
WE NEED A LOT MORE TESTING.  
I WANT TO PICK UP ON A POINT 
JEFF BENNETT HE SAID, HE SAID 
THE ADMIRAL SAID WE'LL HAVE 
ENOUGH TESTS BY SEPTEMBER.  
WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THAT 
HEARING FROM LAMAR ALEXANDER, 
WE HAVE TO HAVE A TEST FOR 
EVERYBODY BY SEPTEMBER OR WE'RE 
NOT OPENING ANYTHING UP, 
WHETHER IT'S THE UNIVERSITY OF 
TENNESSEE, MY KIDS' MIDDLE 
SCHOOL OR 30 ROCK, SO WE'VE GOT 
A WAYS TO GO AND I WILL SAY 
THIS, PART OF ME IS ODDLY 
ENCOURAGED BY WATCHING THIS 
GROUP OF SENATORS WORK 
TOGETHER. 
THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE 
MORE HIGH FUNCTIONING GROUP OF 
BIPARTISAN SENATORS YOU HAVE. 
>> CHUCK TODD, GOOD TO SEE YOU. 
WE ARE GOING TO RETURN TO 
REGULAR PROGRAMMING BUT 
COVERAGE CONTINUES ON OUR 
STREAMING SERVICE, "NBC NEWS 
NOW" AND I'LL BE BACK WITH A 
COMPLETE WRAP-UP WHEN HE RETURN 
ON "NBC NIGHTLY NEWS."  
I'M LESTER HOLT.  
GOOD DAY, EVERYONE.  
>>> ANY RESPONSE, YOU DIDN'T 
GIVE US ANY INFORMATION ABOUT 
THE TIME LINE.  
THESE FAMILIES, NEED THIS 
INFORMATION AND NOW WE'RE TOLD 
BY THE CMS ADMINISTRATOR AFTER 
PRESSING SENATOR WIDEN AND I 
DID, THIS INFORMATION MAY NOT 
BE AVAILABLE UNTIL THE END OF 
MAY.  
I NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU TODAY 
WHY HAS THERE BEEN A DELAY, A 
THREE-MONTH DELAY IN BASIC 
INFORMATION THAT FAMILIES AND 
PEOPLE WITHIN A COMMUNITY NEED 
ABOUT THE OUTBREAKS IN NURSES 
HOMES, THE NUMBER OF CASES, 
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NURSING 
HOMES, TELL US WHEN THEY'RE 
GOING TO SEE THAT INFORMATION. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
SENATOR.  
AND YOU'VE HIGHLIGHTED ONE OF 
THE GREAT TRAGEDIES THAT WE'VE 
ALL EXPERIENCED TOGETHER.  
CLEARLY THE LONG-TERM CARE 
FACILITIES HAVE BEEN 
PARTICULARLY HARD-HIT BY THIS 
PANDEMIC.  
CMS WHO HAS OVERSIGHT, SEVERAL 
THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE AND I CAN 
GET BACK TO YOU IN TERMS OF 
WHERE THEY'RE AT IN TERMS OF 
ACTIVATION BUT CLEARLY ALL 
NURSING HOMES ARE REQUIRED TO 
REPORT CASES IN EITHER THEIR 
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PATIENTS 
THERE OR STAFF TO THE CDC.  
SECONDLY, I HAD PUT A POLICY IN 
PLACE AT ALL NURSING HOMES THAT 
ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY MEMBERS 
OF THAT NURSING HOME OF THE 
EXISTENCE OF COVID IN THAT 
NURSING HOME, INCLUDING FAMILY 
MEMBERS TO VERIFY IF THAT -- 
AND I WILL GET BACK TO YOU WITH 
THAT.  
WE TALKED ABOUT KEY IN 
REOPENING AS TONY MENTIONED, WE 
NEED -- BUT THE OTHER THING WE 
REALLY NEED TO DO IS DO 
SURVEILLANCE BECAUSE THIS VIRUS 
DOES APPEAR TO HAVE A HIGH 
PROPENSITY FOR ASYMPTOMATIC 
INFECTION WHICH MEANS OUR 
TRADITIONAL WAYS OF IDENTIFYING 
CASE SOCIAL SECURITY GOING TO 
BE BLUNTED.  
SO WE'RE DEVELOPING A NATIONAL 
SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM AND FIRST 
MOST IMPORTANT IS DO 
COMPREHENSIVE SURVEILLANCE IN 
ALL THE NURSING HOMES IN THE 
UNITED STATES, THE CDC WILL BE 
DOING THAT -- BUT THIS IS 
CRITICAL.  
WE GET IN FRONT OF THIS, TO 
COMPREHENSIVE SURVEILLANCE OF 
EVERYBODY IN THESE NURSING 
HOMES.  
WE'VE ALSO DONE, YOU KNOW, 
AGGRESSIVE OUTREACH IN ALL OF 
THEM IN ENHANCING INFECTION 
CONTROL PROCEDURES, ET CETERA, 
CDC HAS BEEN OUT TO HELP THESE 
NURSING HOMES WITH THAT AND 
ALONG WITH CMS, BUT I'LL GET 
BACK TO YOU -- I'M PRETTY 
CONFIDENT IT'S GOING TO BE 
OPERATIONAL BUT I NEED TO 
DOUBLE-CHECK BECAUSE I KNOW 
FEMA HAS ANNOUNCED THEY'RE ALL 
REPORTING TO THE CDC ANY 
INFECTION IN WORKERS AND 
PATIENTS AND THEY ARE REQUIRED 
NOW TO NOTIFY OTHER MEMBERS IN 
THE NURSING HOME AS WELL AS 
FAMILY MEMBERS WHEN COVID IS IN 
ONE OF THOSE PLACES 
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ONE 
QUESTION FOR DR. FAUCI.  
I WANTED TO ASK YOU, IN YOUR 
TESTIMONY EARLIER IN RESPONSE 
TO A QUESTION BY SENATOR 
MURRAY, YOU OUTLINED A BASIC 
CONCERN YOU HAVE WITH REGARD TO 
STATES REOPENING.  
CAN YOU RESTATE THAT FOR US? 
>> YES.  
THANK YOU, SENATOR.  
MY CONCERN IS THAT STATES OR 
CITIES OR REGIONS, THEIR 
ATTEMPT UNDERSTANDABLE TO GET 
BACK TO SOME FORM OF NORMALITY 
THIS REGARD TO A GREATER AGREE, 
THE CHECK POINTS WE PUT IN OUR 
GUIDELINES ABOUT WHEN IT IS 
SAFE TO -- IN PULLING BACK IN 
MITIGATION.  
IF THAT OCCURS, THERE IS A REAL 
RISK THAT YOU WILL TRIGGER AN 
OUTBREAK YOU MAY NOT CONTROL.  
THAT WILL SET YOU BACK, NOT 
ONLY LEADING TO SOME SUFFERING 
AND DEATH THAT COULD BE AVOIDED 
BUT EVEN SET YOU BACK ON THE 
ROAD TO TRY TO GET ECONOMIC 
RECOVERY.  
BECAUSE YOU WOULD ALMOST TURN 
THE CLOCK BACK RATHER THAN 
GOING FORWARD THAT. 
IS MY MAJORCONCERN, SENATOR. 
>> THANK YOU, DOCTOR.  
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR CASEY.  
SENATOR PAUL. 
>> DR. FAUCI, SCIENTIST VERSUS 
SHOWN THAT REESES MONKEYS THAT 
ARE INFECTED WITH COVID-19 
CANNOT BE REINFECTED AND -- IN 
ADDITION, INFUSION OF CON HAVE 
CONVALESCENT PLASMA IS SHOWING 
-- STUDY SHOW THAT THE RECOVERY 
COVID PATIENTS ARE SHOWING 
SIGNIFICANT ANTIBODY RESPONSE.  
STUDIES SHOW THAT SARS AND 
MERS, YET THE MEDIA CONTINUES 
TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE NO 
EVIDENCE THAT PATIENTS WHO 
SURVIVE HAVE NO IMMUNITY.  
I THINK THE TRUTH IS THE 
OPPOSITE.  
WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE THAT 
SURVIVORS -- THE QUESTION OF 
IMMUNITY IS LINKED TO POLICY 
AND WORKERS WHO GAINED IMMUNITY 
CAN BE A STRONG PART OF OUR 
ECONOMIC RECOVERY.  
THE SILVER LINING IS THAT A 
LARGE PORTION OF THE MEAT 
PROCESSING INDUSTRY HAVE AN 
IMMUNITY.  
THOSE WORKERS SHOULD BE 
REASSURED THAT THEY WILL NOT BE 
REINFECTED AGAIN.  
YOU STATED PUBLIC THAT YOU BET 
IT ALL THAT SURVIVORS HAVE 
IMMUNITY.  
CAN YOU SAY THE SCIENTIFIC 
RECORD IS SUPPORTIVE THAT THE 
INFECTION OF CORONAVIRUS LEADS 
TO IMMUNITY? 
>> YOU ARE CORRECT, GIVEN WHAT 
WE KNOW ABOUT THE RECOVERY FROM 
VIRUSES SUCH AS CORONAVIRUSES 
IN GENERAL OR EVEN ANY 
INFECTIOUS DISEASE WITH VERY 
FEW EXCEPTIONS THAT WHEN YOU 
HAVE AN ANTIBODY PRESENT, IT IS 
VERY LIKELY INDICATES A DEGREE 
OF PROTECTION.  
I THINK IT'S IN THE SEMANTICS 
OF HOW THIS IS EXPRESSED WHEN 
YOU SAY HAS IT BEEN FORMALLY 
PROVEN BY LONG-TERM NATURAL 
WHICH OF  HISTORY STUDIES WHICH 
IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN PROVE, 
ONE, IS IT LIKELY THAT IT IS 
BUT ALSO WHAT IS THE DEGREE OR 
TITRE OF ANTIBODY THAT GIVES 
YOU THE PROTECTION AND WHAT IS 
THE DURABILITY.  
AS I'VE OFTEN SAID, YOU CAN 
MAKE A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION 
THAT IT WOULD BE PROTECTIVE BUT 
NATURAL HISTORY STUDIES OVER A 
PERIOD OF MONTHS TO YEARS WILL 
THEN TELL YOU DEFINITIVELY IF 
THAT'S THE CASE. 
>> I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT 
BECAUSE IN ALL LIKELIHOOD IS A 
GOOD WAY TO PUT IT, THE VAST 
MAJORITY OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE 
IMMUNITY, INSTEAD OF SAYING 
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.  
THE W.H.O. 
FED INTO THIS BY SAYING NO 
EVIDENCE OF IMMUNITY AND IN 
REALITY THERE'S EVERY EVIDENCE 
STACKING UP AND A LOT OF THE 
DIFFERENT STUDIES HAVE SHOWN 
IT'S VERY UNLIKELY YOU GET IT 
AGAIN IN THE SHORT TERM.  
WITH REGARD TO GOING BACK TO 
SCHOOL, ONE THING THAT WAS LEFT 
OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS 
MORTALITY.  
SHOULDN'T WE BE DISCUSSING WHAT 
THE MORTALITY OF CHILDREN IS? 
THIS IS FOR DR. FAUCI AS WELL.  
THE MORTALITY IN THE NEW YORK 
ZONE APPROACHES ZERO, BETWEEN 
18 AND 45, THE MORTALITY IN NEW 
YORK WAS 10 OUT OF 100,000.  
SO REALLY WE DO NEED TO BE 
THINKING ABOUT THAT.  
WE NEED TO OBSERVE WITH A OPEN 
N OPEN MIND WHAT HAPPENED IN 
SWEDEN WHEN THE KIDS KEPT GOING 
TO SCHOOL.  
THE MORTALITY IN SWEDEN IS LESS 
THAN -- ABOUT THE SAME AS 
SWITZERLAND BUT BASICALLY I 
DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY 
ARGUING THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN 
SWEDEN IS AN UNACCEPTABLE 
RESULT.  
I THINK PEOPLE ARE INTRIGUED BY 
IT AND WE SHOULD BE.  
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE 
CERTAIN WHEN WE DO THESE 
MODELINGS THERE HAVE BEEN MORE 
PEOPLE WRONG WITH MODELING THAN 
RIGHT.  
I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE 
PREDICTING DOOM AND GLOOM AND 
SAYING WE CAN'T DO THIS, WILL 
ADMIT THEY ARE WRONG IF THERE 
ISN'T A SURGE BECAUSE I THINK 
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.  
IN RURAL STATES WE NEVER 
REACHED ANY PANDEMIC LEVELS IN 
KENTUCKY.  
WE HAVE LESS DEATHS IN KENTUCKY 
THAN WE HAVE IN AN AVERAGE FLU 
SEASON.  
IT'S NOT TO SAY THIS ISN'T 
DEADLY BUT OUTSIDE OF NEW 
ENGLAND, WE'VE HAD A RELATIVELY 
BENIGN COURSE FOR THIS VIRUS 
NATIONWIDE.  
AND I THINK THE ONE SIZE FITS 
ALL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 
NATIONAL STRATEGY AND NOBODY IS 
GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL IS KIND 
OF RIDICULOUS.  
WE OUGHT TO BE DOING IT SCHOOL 
DISTRICT BY SCHOOL DISTRICT AND 
THE POWER NEEDS TO BE DISPERSED 
BECAUSE PEOPLE MAKE WRONG 
PREDICTIONS.  
THE HISTORY OF THIS WILL BE 
WRONG PREDICTION AFTER WRONG 
PREDICTION STARTING WITH 
FERGUSON IN ENGLAND.  
SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A 
LITTLE HUMILITY IN OUR BELIEF 
THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR 
THE ECONOMY.  
AS MUCH AS I RESPECT YOU, DR. 
FAUCI, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE THE 
ONE PERSON THAT GETS TO MAKE A 
DECISION.  
WE CAN LISTEN TO YOUR ADVICE 
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE 
OTHER SIDE SAYING THERE'S NOT 
GOING TO BE A SURGE AND WE CAN 
SAFELY OPEN THE ECONOMY AND THE 
FACTS WILL BEAR THIS OUT.  
IF WE KEEP KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL 
FOR ANOTHER YEAR WHAT'S GOING 
TO HAPPEN IS THE POOR AND 
UNDERPRIVILEGED KIDS WHO DON'T 
HAVE A PARENT WHO IS ABLE TO 
TEACH THEM AT HOME ARE NOT 
GOING TO LOOK FOR A FULL YEAR.  
WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE SWEDISH 
MODEL.  
I THINK IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE IF 
WE DON'T OPEN SCHOOLS IN THE 
FALL. 
>> CHAIRMAN, CAN I RESPOND EVEN 
THOUGH THERE ARE 32 SECONDS 
LEFT? 
>> YES.  
AND YOU MAY MAKE IT CLEAR 
WHETHER OR NOT YOU SUGGEST THAT 
WE SHOULDN'T GO BACK TO SCHOOL 
THIS THE FALL. 
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, SENATOR 
PAUL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR 
COMMENTS.  
I HAVE NEVER MADE MYSELF OUT TO 
BE THE END-ALL AND ONLY VOICE 
IN THIS.  
I'M A SCIENTIST, A PHYSICIAN 
AND A PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIAL.  
I GIVE ADVICE ACCORDING TO THE 
BEST SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.  
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER 
PEOPLE WHO COME INTO THAT AND 
GIVE ADVICE THAT ARE MORE 
RELATED TO THE THINGS YOU SPOKE 
ABOUT, ABOUT THE NEED TO GET 
THE COUNTRY BACK OPEN AGAIN AND 
ECONOMICALLY.  
I DON'T GIVE ADVICE ABOUT 
ECONOMIC THINGS.  
I DON'T GIVE ADVICE ABOUT 
ANYTHING OTHER THAN PUBLIC 
HEALTH.  
SO I WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT. 
THE SECOND THING IS THAT YOU 
USED THE WORD WE SHOULD BE 
HUMBLE ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T 
KNOW.  
I THINK THAT FALLS UNDER THE 
FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW 
EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS VIRUS AND 
WE REALLY BETTER BE CAREFUL, 
PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO 
CHILDREN BECAUSE THE MORE AND 
MORE WE LEARN, WHAT WE'RE 
SEEING WHAT THIS VIRUS CAN DO 
THAT WE DIDN'T SEE FROM THE 
STUDIES IN CHINA OR EUROPE.  
FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, 
CHILDREN PRESENTING WITH COVID 
19 WHO ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY 
STRANGE INFLAMMATORY SYNDROME 
VERY SIMILAR TO KAWASAKI 
SYNDROME.  
I THINK WE BETTER BE CAREFUL IF 
WE'RE NOT CAVALIER IN THINKING 
THAT CHILDREN ARE COMPLETELY 
IMMUNE TO THE EFFECTS.  
YOU'RE RIGHT THE NUMBERS OF 
CHILDREN IN GENERAL DO MUCH, 
MUCH BETTER THAN ADULTS AND THE 
ELDERLY AND PARTICULARLY THOSE 
WITH UNDERLYING CONDITIONS BUT 
I AM VERY CAREFUL AND HOPEFULLY 
HUMBLE IN KNOWING THAT I DON'T 
KNOWING EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS 
DISEASE AND WHY I'M PRERESERVED 
IN MAKING BROAD PREDICTIONS. 
>> SENATOR BALDWIN. 
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND 
RANKING MEMBER MURRAY AND OUR 
WITNESSES.  
I WANT TO COVER A LOT OF 
TERRITORY SO I WOULD BE 
APPRECIATIVE OF CONCISE 
ANSWERS.  
DR. RED FIELD YOU THINK THE 
TESTING PROTOCOLS AT THE WHITE 
HOUSE PRESENT SOME MODELS FOR 
OTHER ESSENTIAL WORK PLACES.  
>> I'M SORRY, SENATOR, YOU 
BROKE UP AT THE BEGINNING OF 
YOUR QUESTION.  
IF YOU COULD JUST SAY IT AGAIN, 
I'M SORRY. 
>> YES.  
DR. REDFIELD, DO YOU THINK THAT 
THE TESTING PROTOCOLS CURRENTLY 
IN PLACE IN THE WHITE HOUSE 
PRESENT A MODEL FOR OTHER 
ESSENTIAL WORK PLACES? 
>> WELL, I THINK -- THANK YOU 
FOR THE QUESTION.  
I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT 
THINGS YOU BRING UP IS THE 
ESSENTIAL WORKER GUIDANCE THAT 
THE CDC PUT OUT AND I THINK IT 
WAS ORIGINALLY MODELED 
OBVIOUSLY ON HEALTHCARE 
WORKERS, WHERE THERE WAS 
SIGNIFICANT HEALTH CARE 
SHORTAGES IN INDIVIDUAL -- 
>> I'M ASKING IF YOU THINK THAT 
THE WHITE HOUSE PROTOCOL 
TESTING ARE A MODEL FOR OTHER 
ESSENTIAL WORK PLACES? 
>> I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I 
THINK EACH WORK PLACE HAS TO 
DEFINE THEIR OWN APPROACH HOW 
TO OPERATIONALIZE -- 
>> ALREADY HAD SOME 
CONSIDERABLE COMMENT ON THE 
FACT THAT OSHA HAS NOT STOOD UP 
AN ENFORCEABLE MANDATORY 
EMERGENCY TEMPORARY STANDARD 
FOR WORKERS IN ALL SORTS OF 
WORK SETTINGS BUT THAT ASIDE, 
WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE  PPE 
PROTOCOL IN EFFECT IN THE WHITE 
HOUSE ARE A MODEL FOR OTHER 
ESSENTIAL WORK PLACES? 
>> WE WOULD -- MY OWN VIEW, IT 
WOULD GO BACK TO THE GUIDELINES 
THAT THE CDC HAS PUT OUT ABOUT 
ESSENTIAL WORK PLACES FOR 
PEOPLE IF THEY ARE AN ESSENTIAL 
WORK FORCE, IF THEY GO IN 
PUBLIC, THEY MAINTAIN SIX FEET 
DISTANCING AND THEY WEAR FACE 
COVERINGS. 
>> OKAY.  
ADMIRAL GIROIR, YOU HAVE 
TESTIFIED ABOUT HOW FAR YOU'VE 
COME WITH REGARD TO TESTING 
ASSESSMENT.  
I WANT TO ASK YOU IF YOU 
BELIEVE WE ALREADY HAVE A 
NATIONAL TESTING STRATEGY TODAY 
THAT SPANS -- THAT SPANS FROM 
THE NATIONWIDE TESTING NEEDS 
ASSESSMENT TO THE NATIONWIDE 
TESTING SUPPLY ASSESSMENT AND A 
STRATEGY TO FILL THAT GAP TO 
PROCURE DOMESTICALLY WHAT WE 
NEED TO BRIDGE THAT GAP WITH 
TESTING PLATFORMS AND THE PPE 
NEEDED TO CONDUCT THOSE TESTS. 
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT.  
WE DO HAVE A STRATEGY THAT 
SPANS US AT LEAST -- AT LEAST 
TO THE FALL AND BEYOND.  
AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE WORKING 
INDIVIDUALLY WITH EVERY STATE 
AND I THINK THAT SENATOR PAUL 
IS CORRECT, THAT KENTUCKY, 
WYOMING, OR NEW JERSEY, RHODE 
ISLAND ARE DIFFERENT AND THERE 
ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT TESTING 
NEEDS.  
THE EAST COAST WILL HAVE 
MULTIPLES OF TESTING VERSUS 
OTHER STATES AND WE'RE WORKING 
THOSE INDIVIDUALLY -- 
>> SO I KNOW YOU TESTIFIED 
EARLIER THAT NOT ONLY ARE YOU 
WORKING WITH THE STATES BUT 
YOU'RE WORKING WITH EVERY LAB 
IN EVERY STATE. 
>> CORRECT. 
>> TO INCREASE CAPACITY.  
WHAT ABOUT WORKING WITH THOSE 
WHO WOULD BE THE -- THOSE WHO 
WOULD NEED TESTING TO, SAY, 
REOPEN THEIR SCHOOL, THEIR 
UNIVERSITY, THEIR BUSINESS, 
EACH OF THEM HAVE IDENTIFIED 
WHAT THEY THINK ARE THEIR 
TESTING NEEDS BASED ON, YOU 
KNOW, GUIDANCE, NOT MANDATORY 
ENFORCEABLE RULES BUT ARE YOU 
IN CONTACT AT THAT LEVEL? 
DOES YOUR DASHBOARD HAVE 
VISIBILITY AT THAT LOWEST LEVEL 
OR DO YOU PLAN CONTACT WITH THE 
STATES AND WITH THE LABS? 
>> SO OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, 
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THE 
INDIVIDUAL WORK AT NURSING 
HOMES, AT MEAT PACKING PLANTS 
AND OTHER REALLY DOWN TO THE 
VERY GRANULAR LEVEL. 
>> OKAY. 
>> WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, 
HOWEVER, IS WE ARE REALLY 
WORKING WITH THE STATE 
LEADERSHIP, WITH THE PUBLIC 
HEALTH LAB, THE STATE 
EPIDEMIOLOGISTS, THE STATE 
HEALTH OFFICIALS, BECAUSE THEY 
REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT 
THEIR SUM IS GOING TO BE IN 
THEIR STATE -- 
>> THANK YOU. 
>> AND THE FUNDING WE'RE ASKING 
VERY SPECIFICALLY IN THE CDC 
FUNDING FOR SPECIFIC PLANS FOR 
SCHOOLS, NURSING HOMES, 
UNDERSERVED, ET CETERA. 
>> THANK YOU.  
I HAVE TWO MORE POINTS THAT I'M 
GOING TO MAKE.  
I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR 
QUESTIONS.  
ONE IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY OF 
THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT, CAN THE 
PUBLIC SEE IT, CAN THE STATE 
SEE IT, CAN THE HEALTH 
COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEE IT.  
IS IT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.  
AND SECONDLY THE DELIVERY OF 
THIS SUPPLY IS A CRITICAL ISSUE 
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE 
LOGISTICS FOR GETTING THIS OUT, 
WHETHER IT'S PPE, TESTING OR 
MEDICAL EQUIPMENT, IT'S STILL 
EXTREMELY FRAGMENTED LEADING TO 
PRICE GOUGING AND MANY OTHER 
INEFFICIENCIES.  
WE NEED TO STAND UP THE FULL 
POWER OF THE DEFENSE PRODUCTION 
ACT.  
>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO COMMENT 
ON THAT, MA'AM? 
>> I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU 
COMMENT WITH THE INDULGENCE OF 
THE CHAIRMAN.  
WE'VE GONE OVER TIME.  
AND -- 
>> WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO GIVE US 
A SUCCINCT ANSWER TO THE 
QUESTION, PLEASE. 
>> YES, MA'AM AND YES, SIR.  
PARTICULARLY FOR THINGS LIKE 
SWABS AND MEDIA, THERE IS STILL 
A VERY -- I WOULD SAY NONMATURE 
INDUSTRY WITHIN THE COUNTRY AND 
THAT'S WHY WE'VE MADE THE 
DECISION TO PROCURE THAT ALL 
CENTRALLY THROUGH DECEMBER.  
AND THEN DISTRIBUTE THAT TO THE 
STATE, BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO 
MANY SMALL COMPANIES, TOO MANY 
VARIABLES TO CONTROL WITHOUT A 
REALLY HEAVY FEDERAL HAND.  
THAT'S JUST AN EXAM PULL OF 
WHERE WE REALLY MOVED INTO THAT 
AND USED THE DPA FOR SWABS TO 
HELP SUPPORT AMERICAN INDUSTRY. 
IN MORE MATURE ASPECTS OF THE 
INDUSTRY, LIKE SOME OF THE 
LARGE TEST PRODUCERS, WE FEEL 
THAT BY HELPING DIRECT THEM -- 
WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY EVIDENCE 
AND DATA-DRIVEN. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR 
BALDWIN.  
SENATOR COLLINS. 
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.  
LET ME BEGIN BY FIRST THANKING 
EACH OF OUR WITNESSES TODAY FOR 
THEIR EXPERTISE, THEIR 
DEDICATION, AND THEIR HARD 
WORK.  
DR. REDFIELD, I WANT TO START 
WITH YOU.  
I AM HEARING FROM DENTISTS ALL 
OVER THE STATE OF MAINE THAT 
THE FACT THAT THEY CANNOT 
PRACTICE IN OUR STATE DESPITE 
FOLLOWING VERY STRICT INFECTION 
CONTROL PROTOCOLS, IS CAUSING 
GROWING HEALTH PROBLEMS.  
DENTISTS TELL ME THAT TEETH 
WITH CAVITIES THAT COULD HAVE 
BEEN FILLED ARE NOW GOING TO 
NEED ROOT CANALS.  
TEETH THAT COULD HAVE BEEN 
TREATED WITH ROOT CANALS ARE 
NOW GOING TO REQUIRE EXTRACTIONS
.  PEOPLE WITH ORAL CANCERS 
CANNOT GET THE TREATMENT, THE 
CLEANINGS THEY NEED BEFORE 
BEGINNING THEIR TREATMENTS.  
DENTAL HEALTH IS CLEARLY SO 
IMPORTANT AND MAINE STATE 
OFFICIALS AS WELL AS OUR 
DENTISTS ARE SEEKING ASSISTANCE 
IN REACHING THE RIGHT 
DECISIONS.  
47 OTHER STATES EITHER HAVE 
REOPENED DENTAL PRACTICES OR 
HAVE A DATE SET FOR THEM TO 
REOPEN.  
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THIS, IF 
DENTISTS ARE FOLLOWING THE 
AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION 
GUIDELINES, IF THERE THEY'RE 
INSTITUTING STRICT PROTECTIVE 
MEASURES FOR THEIR PATIENTS, 
THEIR STAFF, THEIR HYGIENISTS, 
THEMSELVES, AND IF THEY'RE 
CLOSELY EXAMINING AND SEEING A 
DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF COVID-
19 INFECTIONS IN THEIR COUNTY, 
ARE THESE REASONABLE FACTORS 
FOR STATES TO CONSIDER IN 
REOPENING THE PRACTICE OF 
DENTISTRY? 
>> YES, SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR 
THE QUESTION.  
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN 
INTERACTING AND TALKING WITH 
DENTISTS AND WORKING WITH THE 
STATE AND LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH 
PHYSICIANS TO UPDATE OUR 
GUIDELINES ON REOPENING A 
VARIETY OF MEDICAL SERVICES AS 
YOU KNOW.  
AND I THINK YOU RAISE A VERY 
IMPORTANT POINT AND I WOULD -- 
WOULD NOT DISAGREE WITH WHAT 
YOU SAID ABOUT LOOKING AT THE 
AMERICAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION'S 
AS WELL AS THE REALITY OF THE 
OUTBREAK IN THE AREA, BUT WE 
ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING 
THOSE GUIDELINES AND THEY WILL 
INCLUDE DIRECT GUIDELINES FOR 
DENTAL PRACTICES. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DOCTOR. 
DR. GIROIR AND DR. HAHN, 
RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN A 
SIGNIFICANT DEMAND FOR 
REMDESIVIR.  
I MAY BE MISPRONOUNCING IT, 
WHICH TRANSMITS TO RECEIVING AN 
EMERGENCY USE OPERATION.  
LAST WEEK MAINE'S TWO LARGEST 
HOSPITAL SYSTEMS CONTACTED ME 
WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS 
THERAPEUTIC WILL BE ALLOCATED 
GOING FORWARD.  
HHS FINALLY RELEASED A 
STATEMENT ON SATURDAY GOING TO 
STATES, INTERESTINGLY, NOT 
DIRECTLY TO HOSPITALS BUT THE 
DECISION MAKING BEHIND THE 
ALLOCATION SOCIAL SECURITY VERY 
UNCLEAR.   
HHS AND THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY 
FOR PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE 
SAY THAT EACH STATE IS EXPECTED 
TO RECEIVE AN ALLOCATION, BUT 
NO TIMETABLE HAS BEEN PROVIDED. 
BEYOND THOSE WHO ARE BEING 
TREATED WITH THIS DRUG AT MAINE 
MEDICAL CENTER THROUGH A 
CLINICAL TRIAL, I'M CONCERNED 
THAT HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS IN 
MAINE WILL HAVE LITTLE OR NO 
ABILITY TO BE TREATED WITH THIS 
PROMISING THERAPEUTIC FOR THE 
FORESEEABLE FUTURE.  
AS THIS AND MORE THERAPEUTICS 
AND ULTIMATELY A VACCINE COME 
ON TO THE MARKETPLACE, HOW CAN 
THESE ALLOCATIONS AND 
DISTRIBUTION ISSUES BE RESOLVED 
SO THAT PATIENT CARE IS NOT 
DELAYED AND SO THAT IT DOESN'T 
DEPEND ON WHICH STATE YOU LIVE 
IN WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GOING 
TO GET ACCESS TO THESE 
TREATMENTS AND ULTIMATELY A 
VACCINE? 
>> SENATOR COLLINS -- GO AHEAD, 
ADMIRAL GIROIR. 
>> GO AHEAD.  
GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. 
>> SENATOR COLLINS, I THINK WE 
COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT 
THIS HAS TO BE AN EVIDENCE-
BASED APPROACH GETTING THE 
MEDICAL THERAPEUTICS, VACCINES, 
REMDESIVIR, WHICHEVER IT 
HAPPENS TO BE, TO THE PEOPLE IN 
NEED.  
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE UPON 
THE FACT WE LEARNED A LOT OF 
LESSONS FROM THE REMDESIVIR 
SITUATION AND THAT'S BEING LED 
BY HHS.  
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE MOST 
RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT 
WHAT THE TESTS PROVIDE GUIDANCE 
TO HHS REGARDING WHERE THE MOST 
SIGNIFICANT OUTBREAK OF 
HOSPITALIZATIONS -- OUTBREAK 
OCCURRED AND WHERE THE 
HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS WERE, 
THIS REPRESENTED ABOUT A 
QUARTER OF THE SUPPLY OF THE 
DRUG WE HAVE AND MORE WILL BE 
ALLOCATED ACCORDING TO 
METHODOLOGY TO GETS THE DRUG TO 
WHERE THE HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS 
ARE.  
I THINK VALUABLE LESSONS CAN BE 
LEARNED AND WILL BE LEARNED 
WITH RESPECT TO OTHER 
THERAPIES.  
>> THANK YOU, DOCTOR.  
ADMIRAL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING 
TO ADD? 
I'M OVER TIME.  
SORRY.  
THANK YOU.  
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, IF 
YOU CAN DO SO FOR THE RECORD. 
>> NO, MA'AM.  
I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER.  
IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL THAT 
IT'S EVIDENCE-BASED ON THE 
PEOPLE WHO COULD BENEFIT FROM 
IT AND ALSO FAIR AND JUST 
THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR COLLINS.  
AND SENATOR MURPHY.  
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 
CHAIRMAN.  
THANK YOU TO YOU AND SENATOR 
MURRAY FOR CONVENING THIS.  
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AN 
EXCEPTIONAL HEARING TODAY IN 
THAT THREE OF OUR WITNESSES ARE 
IN QUARANTINE SO I WANT TO 
START BY ASKING A SIMPLE YES OR 
NO QUESTION THAT I THINK I KNOW 
THE ANSWER TO, DR. FAUCI, DR. 
HAHN AND DR. REDFIELD, I'M 
CORRECT THAT ALL OF YOU ARE 
DRAWING A SALARY, AS YOU 
SHOULD, DURING YOUR PERIOD OF 
QUARANTINE, IS THAT CORRECT? 
>> SENATOR, LET ME START.  
I THINK WE BETTER BE CAREFUL 
ABOUT QUARANTINE.  
AS ESSENTIAL WORKERS AS PART OF 
THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE ARE 
WHEN NEEDED, WHICH IS OFTEN, DO 
OUR DUTIES IN OUR RESPECTIVE 
PLACES AT THE WHITE HOUSE.  
I WAS AT THE WHITE HOUSE 
YESTERDAY AND I WILL LIKELY 
EVEN PERHAPS BE THERE TODAY AND 
IN MY OFFICE AT THE NIH.  
SO IT IS NOT REALLY STRICTLY 
SPEAKING THE QUARANTINE AS WE 
KNOW IT.  
BUT IT'S PERFORMING OUR DUTIES 
AS CRITICAL WORKERS AND I'M 
HAPPY TO HAVE MY COLLEAGUES 
ALSO RESPOND TO THAT. 
>> SENATOR MURPHY, THIS IS 
STEVE HAHN.  
I AGREE WITH DR. FAUCI AND YES, 
I AM DRAWING A SALARY AND I 
HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK DURING 
MY QUARANTINE AND AS AN 
ESSENTIAL WORKER WILL 
PARTICIPATE IN MEETINGS FACE-TO-
FACE WHEN THAT ATTENDANCE IS 
CONSIDERED CRITICAL. 
>> MY POINT HERE, LOOK, YOU ALL 
SHOULD DRAW A SALARY WHILE YOU 
ARE TAKING PRECAUTIONARY STEPS 
BECAUSE OF THE CONTACTS YOU 
HAVE MADE.  
MY POINT IS THAT QUARANTINE IS 
RELATIVELY EASY FOR PEOPLE LIKE 
YOU AND ME.  
WE CAN STILL WORK AND GET PAID. 
WE CAN TELEWORK, BUT THERE ARE 
MILLIONS OF OTHER AMERICANS WHO 
WORK JOBS THAT CAN'T BE 
PERFORMED FROM HOME OR ARE PAID 
BY THE HOUR.  
AND IT'S REMARKABLE TO ME THIS 
ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT YET 
DEVELOPED A MECHANISM FOR 
STATES TO IMPLEMENT AND PAY FOR 
A QUARANTINE SYSTEM THAT WILL 
WORK FOR ALL AMERICANS.  
YOUR PLAN TO REOPEN AMERICA 
REQUIRES STATES TO DEVELOP THAT 
PLAN AND YET, MY STATE HAS NO 
CLUE HOW TO IMPLEMENT AND PAY 
FOR THAT SYSTEM WITHOUT HELP 
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.  
WHICH LEADS ME TO MY SECOND 
QUESTION.  
DR. FAUCI AND DR. REDFIELD YOU 
MADE NEWS TODAY BY WARNING US 
APPROPRIATELY OF THE DANGERS OF 
STATES OPENING TOO EARLY.  
AS SENATOR MURPHY MENTIONED, IT 
IS INFURIATEING THIS COMES 
AFTER THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE 
HAVE PREVAILED WHICH MAKES IT 
HARDER ON STATE LEADERS TO SOAP 
SOCIAL RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE.  
I THINK YOU'RE ALL NOBLE PUBLIC 
SERVANTS BUT I THINK YOU'RE 
TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.  
YOU SAY STATES SHOULD OPEN 
EARLY YET YOU DON'T GIVE US 
RESOURCES TO SUCCEED.  
YOU WORK FOR A PRESIDENT WHO, 
FRANKLY, IS UNDERMINING OUR 
EFFORTS TO COMPLY WITH THE 
GUIDANCE YOU HAVE GIVEN US AND 
THE GUIDANCE YOU HAVE PROVIDED 
IS CRIMINALLY VAGUE AND I WANT 
TO ASK MY LAST QUESTION ON THIS 
TOPIC.  
OBVIOUSLY THE PLAN TO REOPEN 
AMERICA WAS MEANT TO BE 
FOLLOWED BY MORE DETAILED 
NUANCED GUIDANCE.  
WHAT IS A DOWNWARD TRAJECTORY 
MEAN? 
WHAT HATCHES IF THE TRAJECTORY 
IS DOWNWARD IN SOME SETTINGS 
BUT UPWARD IN OTHERS.  
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU REOPEN AND 
THERE'S A SPIKE IN ONE LOCATION 
OR ANOTHER SETTING.  
OF COURSE YOU KNEW THIS BECAUSE 
YOU DEVELOPED THIS GUIDANCE 
THAT IS SITE-SPECIFIC, THAT 
FRANKLY IS HELPFUL.  
SOME OF THIS IS ON THE CDC'S 
WEBSITE BUT SOME OF IT IS NOT 
AND WE NEED IT.  
MY STATE NEEDS IT.  
WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE EXPERTS 
YOU HAVE, SO WE RELY ON YOU.  
REPORTING SUGGESTS DR. REDFIELD 
THIS GUIDANCE THAT WAS 
DEVELOPED BY YOU AND OTHER 
EXPERTS WAS SHELVED BY THE 
ADMINISTRATION.  
THAT IT WAS WITHHELD FROM 
STATES AND THE PUBLIC BECAUSE 
OF A DECISION BY THE WHITE 
HOUSE.  
MY SPECIFIC QUESTION IS WHY 
DIDN'T THIS PLAN GET RELEASED 
AND IF IT IS JUST BEING 
REVIEWED, WHEN IS IT GOING TO 
BE RELEASED? 
BECAUSE STATES ARE REOPENING 
RIGHT NOW AND WE NEED THIS 
GUIDANCE NOW. 
>> I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION.  
CLEARLY WE HAVE GENERATED A 
SERIES OF GUIDANCES, AS YOU 
KNOW, AND THIS OUTBREAK 
RESPONSE HAS EVOLVED FROM A CDC 
TO AN ALL OF GOVERNMENT 
RESPONSE AS WE WORK THROUGH THE 
GUIDANCES.  
A NUMBER OF THEM GO FOR 
INTERAGENCY REVIEW AND INPUT TO 
MAKE SURE THESE GUIDANCES ARE 
MORE BROADLY APPLICABLE FOR 
DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR SOCIETY. 
THE GUIDANCES YOU TALKED ABOUT 
HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT 
INTERAGENCY REVIEW.  
THERE ARE COMMENTS THAT HAVE 
COME BACK TO CDC AND I 
ANTICIPATE THEY'LL GO BACK UP 
INTO THE TASK FORCE FOR FINAL 
REVIEW.  
. 
>> BUT WE'RE REOPENING IN 
CONNECTICUT IN FIVE DAYS, TEN 
DAYS.  
THIS GUIDANCE ISN'T GOING TO BE 
USEFUL TO US IN TWO WEEKS.  
IS IT THIS WEEK? 
NEXT WEEK? 
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THE 
EXPERTISE FROM THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT? 
>> THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY 
IS THE CDC STANDS BY THE 
TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO YOUR 
STATE AND ANY STATE ON ANY 
REQUESTS THAT I DO ANTICIPATE 
THE BROADER GUIDANCE TO BE 
POSTED ON THE CDC WEBSITE, THAT 
SOON.  
I CAN'T TELL YOU -- 
>> SOON? 
>> SOON, BUT -- I CAN TELL YOU 
YOUR STATE CAN REACH OUT TO CDC 
AND WE'LL GIVE GUIDANCE 
DIRECTLY TO ANYONE IN YOUR 
STATE ON ANY CIRCUMSTANCE THAT 
YOUR STATE DESIRES GUIDANCE 
FROM. 
>> SOON ISN'T TERRIBLY HELPFUL. 
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR MURPHY.  
SENATOR CASSIDY. 
>> GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY 
MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE AND I 
WILL HAVE A SET OF QUESTIONS SO 
IF YOUR ANSWERS CAN BE BRIEF.  
DR. HAHN, YOU MENTIONED THAT 
THE -- FOR THE VACCINE TRIALS 
NOW INCLUDES OLDER AMERICANS.  
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT 
ABOUT CHILDREN? 
DOES IT INCLUDE CHILDREN? 
DOES IT INCLUDE THE OBESE, 
DIABETIC, IMNINEO COMPROMISED? 
CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT, 
PLEASE? 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR CASSIDY.  
WHEN THE PHASE 2, PHASE 3 
TRIALS ARE IN PLACE THEY WILL 
INCLUDE OUR MOST VULNERABLE 
POPULATIONS, INCLUDING THE 
INDIVIDUALS YOU DESCRIBED.  
-- 
>> IF I CAN INTERRUPT, PHASE 2 
IS NORMALLY CHECK FOR SAFETY, 
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO A 
SEPARATE PHASE 2 IN THE PATIENT 
WHO WAS YOUNGER? 
YOU HE FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? 
OR YOU ASSUME THE SAFETY DATA 
FROM THE ADULTS APPLIES TO THAT 
THE OF THE CHILDREN? 
>> WE WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS 
SAFETY THERE AS WELL IN 
CHILDREN.  
>> THE CURRENT PHASE 2 TRIALS, 
DO THEY INCLUDE CHILDREN? 
>> THEY'RE IN PHASE 1 STUDIES. 
>> I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE HAD A 
PHASE 2 GOING ON. 
>> I THINK IT'S ABOUT TO START 
FROM THE MAJORITY -- PERHAPS 
DR. FAUCI CAN ANSWER THAT. 
>> I SAID WE ARE IN THE SECOND 
-- OF THE PHASE 1 AND WE NEED 
TO PROCEED TO FINISH PHASE 1 TO 
GO TO PHASE 2. 
>> I THINK I'M HEARING THAT 
CHILDREN WILL BE INCLUDED IN 
PHASE 2 TRIALS? 
>> NO.  
THAT'S UNDER DISCUSSION BETWEEN 
FDA AND NIH.  
BECAUSE WE REALIZE THIS 
IMPORTANT. 
>> DR. REDFIELD, TO BALD BACK 
ON WHAT SENATOR MURPHY SAID, 
THE PUBLISHED GUIDELINES FOR 
SCHOOL OPENING, OBVIOUSLY 
YOU'RE ABOUT TO MODIFY BUT I 
NOTICE AS I READ THROUGH THEM, 
THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT TESTING 
SO WE SPEAK ABOUT TARGETED 
TESTING, BUT THE GUIDELINES FOR 
THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS HAS NOTHING 
ABOUT HOW TO INTEGRATE TESTING. 
WILL THESE BE IN THOSE 
GUIDELINES THAT ARE BEING 
RELEASED? 
>> CLEARLY THERE'S A NEED FOR 
INTEGRATION OF A TESTING 
STRATEGY THAT IS GOING TO BE 
DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT SCHOOL 
SETTINGS AS WELL AS DIFFERENT 
JURISDICTIONS WHERE -- AND THAT 
IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE 
INTEGRATED TO EACH OF THOSE.  
I THINK THE TESTING STRATEGY 
WHICH IS IMPORTANT IS INCLUDING 
THE SURVEILLANCE STRATEGY.  
[  CAPTIONER TRANSITIONING ] 
CHILDREN, WHETHER YOU ARE RULE, 
FRONTIER, SUBURBAN OR URBAN IS 
THE ONE SETTING IN WHICH THERE 
IS A COMMONALITY. 
AND THE RESOURCES THAT THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS GREATLY 
EXCEEDS ALL BUT THE MOST 
SOPHISTICATED, POPULOUS, 
WEALTHY STATE. 
AND EVEN THEN EXCEEDS IT BY 
SOME EXTENT. 
I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD TO HAVE 
IN A PRIMARY SCHOOL SETTING, 
THIS IS THE BEST PRACTICES OR 
THESE ARE THREE OPTIONS AND 
CHOOSE BETWEEN ONE OF THESE 
THREE. 
TO SAY TO EACH SCHOOL DISTRICT 
OR EACH PRIVATE OR INDEPENDENT 
SCHOOL WORK WITH YOUR STATE 
BOARD OF HEALTH, FIGURE OUT, 
SEEMS A WASTED EFFORT. 
I SAY THAT BECAUSE CHILDREN 
PLAY SUCH A ROLE IN BOTH 
PROTECTION OF THE DISEASE, THE 
SPREAD OF DISEASE, ET CETERA. 
SO YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT 
BECAUSE IT REALLY SEEMS THAT IS 
THE ONE SETTING WHERE YOU CAN 
HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT COOKIE 
CUTTER, BUT CERTAINLY A PATTERN 
THAT CAN BE FOLLOWED. 
>> SENATOR, I MUST HAVE BEEN 
MISUNDERSTOOD. 
WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT 
DIFFERENCES, I WAS THINKING OF 
A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN 
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, 
COLLEGE IN TERMS OF HOW WE, 
TRADE SCHOOL. 
THERE MAY BE DIFFERENCES IN HOW 
YOU INTEGRATE A TESTING 
STRATEGY. 
BUT I THINK HAVING A TESTING 
STRATEGY WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS 
FOR PEOPLE TO EVALUATE BASED ON 
DIFFERENT PRINCIPALS WILL BE 
IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF GUIDANCE. 
>> DR. FAUCI, YOU ARGUE THAT 
THE RISK OF REOPENING 
PREMATURELY IS GREAT. 
BUT I THINK THE FRUSTRATION, IF 
I THINK OF CHILDREN, IN 
PARTICULAR, THE RISK BENEFIT 
RATIO OF A CHILD BEING HOME 
WITHOUT THE PARENT ABLE TO WORK 
BECAUSE SCHOOL PROVIDES DAY 
CARE, WITHOUT THE MONITORING 
THAT SOMETIMES OCCURS FOR 
INCIDENTS SUCH AS CHILD ABUSE, 
BUT PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY 
FOR ALL CHILDREN THE 
OPPORTUNITY COSTS OF A BRAIN IN 
WHICH IS FORMING NOT HAVING 
ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION THAT 
WILL HELP THAT BRAIN FORM 
OPTIMAL. 
NOW HAS THERE BEEN ANY SORT OF 
RISK BENEFIT RATIO FOR THE 
CHILD? 
YES THEY ARE AT RISK FOR COW 
SAW COYS. 
BUT THEY ARE AT RISK FOR 
MISSING OUT ON AN EDUCATION 
THAT IS PROVIDED TO RICH 
BACKGROUNDS. 
>> YOU MAKE SOME VERY GOOD 
POINTS. 
IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT OF 
THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF 
TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT 
BROADLY IS IMPORTANT FOR THE 
PUBLIC HEALTH AND THE RISK OF 
HAVING A RETURN OR A RESURGENCE 
OF AN OUTBREAK. 
AND THE UNINTENDED SERIOUS 
CONSEQUENCES OF HAVING CHILDREN 
OUT OF SCHOOL. 
WE FULLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
I DON'T HAVE AN EASY ANSWER TO 
THAT. 
I JUST DON'T. 
WE WILL HAVE TO SEE ON A STEP 
BY STEP BASIS AS WE GET INTO 
THE PERIOD OF TIME ABOUT 
REOPENING SCHOOLS EXACTLY WHERE 
WE WILL BE. 
I MIGHT POINT OUT SOMETHING 
THAT HAS BEEN ELUDED TO 
THROUGHOUT SOME OF THE 
QUESTIONS, THAT WE HAVE A VERY 
LARGE COUNTRY AND THE DYNAMICS 
OF THE OUTBREAK ARE DIFFERENT. 
SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT 
SITUATIONS REGARDING SCHOOL 
WILL BE VERY DIFFERENT IN ONE 
REGION VERSES ANOTHER. 
SO IT WILL NOT BE UNIVERSALLY. 
I DON'T HAVE A GOOD 
EXPLANATION, A SOLUTION TO THE 
PROBLEM OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN 
YOU CLOSE SCHOOLS AND IT 
TRIGGERS A CASCADE OF EVENTS. 
IT COULD HAVE SOME 
CIRCUMSTANCES. 
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I CLOSE THE 
AFTERNOON PERMISSION OF THE 
CHAIR TO SUBMIT A RECORD THAT 
CAME OUT IN THE JOURNAL 
OFPEDIATRIC NURSING THAT 
CHILDREN ARE AT RISK OF COVID 
19. 
>> AND IT WILL BE INCLUDED. 
THANK YOU SENATOR, CASSIDY. 
SENATOR WARREN. 
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND 
THANK YOU FOR OUR WITNESSES FOR 
BEING HERE TODAY. 
I HOPE EVERYBODY IS STAYING 
SAFE AND HEALTHY. 
IN THE PAST 16 WEEKS OF 1.3 
MILLION AMERICANS THAT HAVE 
BEEN INFECTED WITH CORONAVIRUS, 
WE NOW KNOW ABOUT 80,000 PEOPLE 
HAVE DIED AND 33 MILLION PEOPLE 
ARE OUT OF WORK. 
DR. FAUCI, YOU HAVE ADVISED SIX 
PRESIDENTS. 
YOU HAVE STUDIED DEADLY VIRUSES 
FOR YOUR ENTIRE CAREER. 
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR 
HONEST OPINION. 
DO WE HAVE THE CORONAVIRUS 
CONTAINED? 
>> SENATOR, THANKS FOR THE 
QUESTION. 
RIGHT NOW IT DEPENDS ON WHAT 
YOU MEAN FOR CONTAINMENT IF YOU 
THINK WE HAVE IT COMPLETELY 
UNDER CONTROL, WE DON'T. 
WHEN YOU LOOK AT DYNAMICS OF 
THE OUTBREAK AND WE HAVE SEEN 
HOSPITALIZATIONS AND INFECTIONS 
IN SUCH PLACES SUCH AS NEW YORK 
CITY STARTING TO COME DOWN. 
BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE 
COUNTRY WE ARE SEEING SPIKES. 
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 
DYNAMICS OF NEW CASES, EVEN 
THOUGH SOME ARE COMING DOWN, 
THE CURVE LOOKS FLAT WITH SOME 
SLIGHT COMING DOWN. 
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING IN THE 
RIGHT DIRECTION. 
BUT THE RIGHT DIRECTION DOES 
NOT MEAN WE HAVE BY ANY MEANS 
TOTAL CONTROL OF THIS OUTBREAK. 
>> SO THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AS I 
UNDERSTAND IT, WE HAVE ABOUT 
25,000 NEW INFECTIONS A DAY AND 
OVER 2,000 DEATHS A DAY. 
I THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT 
NUMBERS. 
AND SOME ARE ESTIMATING WE 
COULD BE AT 200,000 CASES A DAY 
BY JUNE? 
IS THAT RIGHT, DR. FAUCI? 
>> I DON'T FORESEE THAT AS 
200,000 NEW CASES BY JUNE. 
I AM HOPING AND LOOKING AT THE 
DYNAMICS OF THINGS STARTING TO 
FLATTEN OFF AND COME DOWN THAT 
WE WILL BE MUCH, MUCH BETTER 
THAN THAT, SENATOR. 
>> JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, WE ARE 
RIGHT NOW AT 2,000 NEW 
INFECTIONS A DAY. 
AND 25,000 NEW INFECTIONS A 
DAY. 
AND 2,000 DEATHS A DAY. 
>> RIGHT. 
>> AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT 
RIGHT NOW. 
>> YEAH. 
>> SO LET ME JUST ASK, WE KNOW 
THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET THIS 
VIRUS UNDER BETTER CONTROL. 
OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE DONE IT 
LIKE SOUTH KOREA. 
BUT WE ARE THREE MONTHS INTO 
THIS PANDEMIC. 
AND WE CONTINUE TO SET RECORDS 
FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT 
ARE DIAGNOSED AND THE NUMBER OF 
PEOPLE WHO DIE. 
DR. FAUCI, YOU RECENTLY SAID 
SECOND WAVE OF CORONAVIRUS IS 
INEVITABLE. 
BUT THAT PUT IN PLACE ALL THE 
COUNTERMEASURES THAT YOU NEED 
TO ADDRESS THIS, WE SHOULD DO 
REASONABLY WELL AND 
COUNTERMEASURES YOU IDENTIFY 
LIKE CONTINUE SOCIAL 
DISTANCING, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE 
TESTING, WIDE SPRAY CONTACT 
TRACING. 
YOU ALSO SAID AMERICA DOESN'T 
DO THIS, WE COULD BE IN FOR A 
BAD FALL OR WINTER. 
WE ARE 60 WEEKS AWAY FROM LABOR 
DAY. 
THAT IS ABOUT THE SAME LENGTH 
OF TIME THAT THE VIRUS WAS 
FIRST DETECTED HERE IN THE 
U.S.. 
DON'T WE HAVE ENOUGH ROBUST 
COUNTER MEASURES IN PLACE THAT 
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A 
BAD FALL AND WINTER? 
>> RIGHT NOW THE PROJECTION, AS 
YOU HEARD FROM ADMIRAL JER 
REGARD WITH REGARD TO TESTING 
AND OTHER ELEMENTS NEEDED TO 
RESPOND, THE PROJECTION IS BY 
THE TIME WE GET TO THE END OF 
SUMMER AND EARLY FALL, AND WE 
WILL HAVE THAT IN PLACE. 
>> BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT IN 
PLACE NOW. 
BUT WE ARE PROJECTING WE WILL 
HAVE IT IN PLACE. 
AND LET ME JUST ASK THE OTHER 
SIDE OF THIS. 
IF WE DON'T DO BETTER ON 
TESTING, ON CONTACT TRACING, 
AND ON SOCIAL DISTANCING, BE 
DEATHS FROM CORONAVIRUS 
NECESSARILY INCREASE? 
>> OF COURSE. 
IF YOU DO NOT DO AN ADEQUATE 
RESPONSE, WE WILL HAVE THE 
CONSEQUENCE OF MORE INFECTIONS 
AND MORE DEATHS. 
AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY YOU 
QUOTED ME QUITE CORRECTLY. 
EVERYTHING YOU SAID. 
AND I WILL STAND BY THAT. 
IF WE DO NOT RESPOND IN AN 
ADEQUATE WAY WHEN THE FALL 
COMES, GIVEN THAT IT IS WITHOUT 
A DOUBT THAT THERE WILL BE 
INFECTIONS THAT WILL BE IN THE 
COMMUNITY AND WE RUN THE RISK 
OF HAVING A RESURGENCE, I WOULD 
HOPE BY THAT POINT IN TIME, IN 
THE FALL, THAT WE HAVE MORE 
THAN ENOUGH TO RESPOND 
ADEQUATELY. 
BUT IF WE DON'T, THERE WILL BE 
PROBLEMS. 
>> I APPRECIATE YOUR HOPE. 
I WISH WE COULD JUST TELL 
AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT HAS THIS PANDEMIC 
UNDER CONTROL. 
BE WE CAN'T. 
IN FACT, WE HAVE SAID THE VIRUS 
IS NOT UNDER CONTROL IN THE 
U.S.. 
WE HAVE NOT TAKEN MEASURES 
NECESSARY TO PREVENT A SECOND 
WAVE OF DEATHS. 
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE 
ARE GOING TO BE MOST EFFECTED 
ARE GOING TO BE SENIORS, 
ESSENTIAL ORGANIZERS, THE 
PEOPLEESSENTIAL WORKER, THE 
PEOPLE OUT ON THE FRONTLINE. 
THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO STOP 
PRETENDING THAT HE JUST IGNORES 
BAD NEWS THAT IT WILL GO AWAY. 
IT WON'T. 
THE TIME FOR MAGICAL THINKING 
IS OVER HERE. 
AND MORE PEOPLE ARE DYING AS A 
RESULT. 
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME TO 
SAVE LIVES. 
AND WE NEED TO ACT NOW. 
SO THANK YOU, DR. FAUCI, FOR 
ALL YOU ARE DOING. 
I APPRECIATE IT. 
THE URGENCY OF THE MOMENT IS 
NOT CLEAR. 
THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR WARREN. 
SENATOR ROBERTS. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 
CHAIRMAN. 
AND THANKS TO ALL THE 
WITNESSES. 
YOU ALL ARE LIKE THE FAB FOUR, 
I GUESS IT WAS A FAB FIVE BACK 
IN THE DAY. 
YOU ARE SHEDDING THE LIGHT OF 
TRUTH IN THE DARKNESS WITH 
INDIVIDUAL FLASHLIGHTS FOR 
SURE. 
THANK YOU FOR ETCH SIZING WE 
HAVE TO BE BIPARTISAN IN THIS 
APPROACH OR WE WILL NOT GET 
ANYWHERE. 
I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A 
VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH 
GOVERNOR KELLY, WHO HAPPENS TO 
BE A DEMOCRAT. 
AND HER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT 
TEAM IS SPOT ON. 
DR. LEE NORMAN IS DOING A GREAT 
JOB. 
I TALKED TO DR. LEE. 
KANSAS RECEIVES 7,000 NEW COVID 
TESTS WITH FOR FOOD PROCESSING 
FACILITIES. 
YOU SEE THIS MIRROR BEHIND ME. 
THAT IS A STAGECOACH COMING 
INTO DODGE AS OPPOSED TO 
GETTING OUT OF DODGE. 
DODGE CITY IS MY HOME TOWN. 
WE ARE THE HOT SPOT IN TERMS TO 
KANSAS BECAUSE OF TWO PACKING 
PLANTS. 
WE HAVE FIVE THAT IS A 26% OF 
THE CATTLE MARKET. 
AT ANY RATE, KANSAS IS GOING 
THROUGH A TOUGH TIME AND WE 
SHOULDN'T BE WORRYING ABOUT THE 
SAFETY OF THE FOOD. 
BUT THE FOOD SUPPLY CHAIN I 
THINK NATIONWIDE IS UNDER A 
GREAT DEAL OF STRESS. 
WE SEE THAT IN DAIRY, WE SEE 
THAT IN POULTRY, WE SEE THAT IN 
PORK. 
THEY ARE EUTHANIZING PIGS AND 
OBVIOUSLY THE LIVESTOCK 
INDUSTRY. 
FARM TO AGRICULTURAL HAS 
STEPPED UP. 
SO HAS THE PRESIDENT. 
DECLARING THESE PACKING PLANTS 
ARE A NATIONAL ASSET. 
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED OUT, WE 
HAD FIVE TESTS. 
FIVE TESTS. 
THAT IS BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE. 
NOT BETWEEN 50 MILLION THAT WE 
OPEN TO RECEIVE THAT HAS BEEN 
SAID BY ONE OF THE WITNESSES. 
THE REASON I'M REALLY HARPING 
ON ALL OF THE PROBLEMS WE'RE 
HAVING ON AGRICULTURAL, ON TOP 
OF THE FACT THAT THE 
RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA IS SUCH 
THAT EVEN AT FIRST BREAKTHROUGH 
WITH REGARDS TO TRADE WITH 
CHINA SEEMS TO BE ON HOLD NOW. 
AND THAT IS ANOTHER PRICEY 
PRESENCE. 
AND THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FIVE 
OR SIX YEARS OUR PRICES HAVE 
BEEN BELOW THE COST OF 
PRODUCTION. 
END RESULT, OUR CONSUMERS ARE 
REALLY FIGURING OUT FOOD 
DOESN'T COME WITH GROCERIES. 
I'M VERY WORRIED THE HARM TO 
FOOD VALUE CHAIN IS VERY REAL. 
NOT TO MENTION THE FINANCIAL 
SITUATION THAT OUR FARMERS AND 
RANCHERS FACE. 
HAVING SAID ALL THAT I WANT TO 
ASK, ADMIRAL GERARD, YOU SPOKE 
OF HAVING DIVERSITY. 
THE FIVE PACKING PLANTS WE HAVE 
IN KANSAS. 
IF WE COULD GET A RAPID TEST 
AND GET IT AS WE ASK FOR 
BECAUSE OF THE HOT SPOTS THAT 
ARE DEVELOPING, NOT ONLY IN 
KANSAS BUT ALSO DOING GREAT 
HARBOR THE FOOD VALUE CHAIN, 
THAT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY 
WONDERFUL. 
WOULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT, SIR? 
>> YES, THANK YOU, SENATOR. 
WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED 
IN GETTING STRATEGIES FOR THE 
INDUSTRY, PARTICULARLY IN 
KANSAS. 
WE ARE SUPPLYING VERY HEAVILY 
THE PUBLIC HEALTH LABS WITH 
RAPID DIAGNOSTICS AND URGING 
THEM TO AREAS LIKE THAT. 
THE ONE TRADE OFF IS THAT THE 
RAPID, THE RAPID CARE OF 
DIAGNOSTICS IS VERY SLOW. 
EACH MACHINE CAN ONLY DO FOUR 
PER HOUR. 
AND THAT IS VERY, VERY SLOW. 
IT'S A MIX OF TESTING THAT YOU 
NEED AT THESE SITUATIONS. 
FOR THE HIGH FLU TESTS THAT ARE 
AVAILABLE AT MAJOR LABS, 
REQUEST LABS RIGHT THERE IN 
KANSAS. 
AND A MIX OF THE RAPID TESTING 
AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE 
SUPPLYING IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A 
HOLISTIC SOLUTION AND I BELIEVE 
CDC IS ON THE GROUND. 
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. 
IF YOU ARE ONLY DOING FOUR AN 
HOUR, THAT IS NOT A RAPID TEST. 
THAT IS A RAPID SLOW TEST. 
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEFINE 
THAT. 
I FOR ONE AS I THINK WE REOPEN, 
AND BY THE WAY GOVERNOR KELLY 
STARTED THE OPENING PROCESS THE 
FIRST OF THE MONTH ON THIS MAY 
18 AND THEN WE GO TO JUNE. 
BUT WE HAVE CONTINGENCY PLANS 
THAT IF THAT DOESN'T WORK AS 
APTLY DESCRIBED BY DR. FAUCI I 
THINK WILL BE UP RIGHT. 
AND THE JOB WE WERE DOING WILL 
STAND BESIDE YOU WHEN YOU ARE 
TAKING THE BOOS AND BEHIND YOU 
WHEN YOU ARE TAKING BOWS. 
>> THANK YOU SENATOR ROBERTS. 
SENATOR CAIN. 
>> THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS 
IMPORTANT HEARING. 
LAST TIME DR. FAUCI WAS MARCH 
3. I HAVE A SLIDE THAT I WANT 
TO PUT OFF THAT HAS HAPPENED IN 
AMERICA SINCE THEN. 
THE CHART WHICH IS HERE 
COMPARES THE EXPERIENCE OF THE 
UNITED STATES ON THREE DAYS. 
ON JANUARY 21 BOTH NATIONS 
EXPERIENCE THE FIRST CASE OF 
COVID 19. 
UNEMPLOYMENT RATES WAS 
ESSENTIALLY IDENTICAL. 
ON MARCH 3 WHEN THE WITNESSES 
LAST YEAR SELF-CREATED AN 
EXPERIENCE 2018 COVID 19 TESTS. 
THE ECONOMIES OF BOTH NATIONS 
IS MEASURED BY THE UNLIMIT 
RATES WERE NEARLY IDENTICAL. 
BUT NOW THE STORY CHANGES. 
AS OF YESTERDAY MORE THAN 
81,000 AMERICANS HAVE DIED. 
AND THE U.S. ECONOMY HAS 
EXPERIENCED JOB LOSSES NOT SEEN 
SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. 
MEANWHILE THE ECONOMY OF SOUTH 
KOREA HAS NOT CHANGED 
DRAMATICALLY AT ALL. 
AND THE DEATH TOLL IS AT 256. 
SOUTH KOREA IS SMALLER THAN THE 
UNITED STATES. 
ONE SIXTH OF OUR POPULATION. 
EVEN IF YOU BULK UP THE DEATH 
TOLL TO REFLECT THE DIFFERENCE, 
THE CAPITAL DEATH TOLL IS MORE 
THAN 45 TIMES THE RATE IN SOUTH 
KOREA. 
AND HEALTH CARE CARNAGE HERE IS 
CAUSING A NEAR DEPRESSION. 
WHILE SOUTH KOREA HAS PROTECT 
THE ITS ECONOMY BY MANAGING 
CORRECTLY. 
I COULD HAVE DONE THIS CHART 
WITH OTHER NATIONS. 
THE U.S. NATION HAS THE SEVENTH 
HIGHEST PER CAPITA DEATH RATE. 
IT'S NEARLY THREE TIMES THE 
DEATH RATE IN GERMANY. 
TWICE THE HIGHEST IN CANADA'S 
RATE. 
IF WE WANT TO OPEN UP OUR 
ECONOMY AND SCHOOLS, WE HAVE TO 
LEARN THE LESSONS OF NATIONS 
THAT HAVE MANAGED AS WELL. 
HERE'S SOME THINGS THAT DON'T 
EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE. 
THE HOSPITALS ARE AS GOOD OR 
BET EVER. 
OUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER HEROS 
ARE AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN 
THOSE IN SOUTH KOREA. 
OUR RESEARCH CAPACITY IS AS 
GOOD OR BETTER THAN THAT IN 
SOUTH KOREA. 
AND WE HAVE MORE RESOURCES IN 
SOUTH KOREA. 
OUR GDP IS 12 TIMES SOUTH 
KOREA. 
SO TO DR. FAUCI, THE DEATH TOLL 
IN THE UNITED STATES, THE DEATH 
RATE IN THE USE, ESPECIALLY 
WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER 
NATIONS, IS UNACCEPTABLE; ISN'T 
IT? 
>> SORRY, SIR. 
OF COURSE. 
THE DEATH RATE THAT HIGH IS 
SOMETHING THAT ANY PLANNER OF 
FORM IN MY MIND IS 
UNACCEPTABLE. 
>> AND DR. FAUCI, THE 
EXPERIENCE OF OTHER NATIONS 
SHOWS THE U.S. DEATH RATE IS 
NOT ONLY UNACCEPTABLE BUT 
UNNECESSARY. 
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? 
>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SAY 
THAT. 
>> WOULD YOU SAY THE U.S. HAS 
TO DO BETTER? 
>> OF COURSE. 
YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO DO BETTER. 
>> AND THE EXPERIENCE OF SOUTH 
KOREA SHOWS HOW A NATION 
MANAGES THE HEALTH CARE CRISIS 
HAS A HUGE IMPACT. 
AND ON ITS ECONOMIC CONDITION. 
ISN'T THAT THE CASE? 
>> THAT IS THE CASE. 
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THERE IS A 
BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOUTH 
KOREA AND THE UNITED STATES. 
>> AND LET ME GET TO THAT. 
I WANT TO GET TO FACTORS THAT 
DO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE. 
SINCE WE KNOW IT'S NOT 
RESOURCES OR HEALTH PROVIDERS. 
FIRST IS TESTING. 
SOUTH KOREA BEGAN AGGRESSIVE 
TESTING MUCH EARLIER THAN THE 
U.S.. 
NOW IN THE FIFTH MONTH OF THE 
PANDEMIC, WE SURPASSED SOUTH 
KOREA IN PER CAPITA TESTING. 
BUT IN THE CRITICAL MONTH OF 
MARCH, SOUTH KOREA WAS TESTING 
ITS POPULATIONS AT A RATE OF 40 
TIMES THE TESTING IN THE U.S.. 
ADMIRAL GERARD, DR. GERARD HAS 
SET OUT THE STANDARD FOR US. 
WHEN WE GET TO SEPTEMBER, 
HESAYS THE UNITED STATES NEEDS 
TO DO 40-50 MILLION TESTS A 
MONTH TO BE SAFE. 
THAT EQUATES TO 1.3 MILLION TO 
1.7 MILLION TESTS A DAY. 
YESTERDAY WE DID 395,000 TESTS. 
WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO DO. 
A SECOND FACTOR IS CONTRACT 
TRACE. 
CONTACT TRACES. 
SOUTH KOREA EMBRACED A RIGOROUS 
CONTACT TRACING PROGRAM RIGHT 
FROM THE BEGINNING. 
THE UNITED STATES HAS NOT 
ENGAGED IN A NATIONAL CONTACT 
TRACING IS THAT RIGHT? 
WOULD THAT BE DR. FAUCI? 
>> I THINK THAT QUESTION WOULD 
BE BEST DIRECTED TO THE CDC. 
>> WHEN THE OUTBREAK STARTED WE 
HAD AN AGGRESSIVE CONTACT 
TRACING PROGRAM. 
BUT AS THE CASES ROSE, IT WENT 
BEYOND THE CAPACITY. 
SO WE LOST THE CONTAINMENT 
IMAGE. 
>> AND THAT WAS KEY TO THE 
ECONOMY AS WELL. 
BECAUSE SOUTH KOREA DID 
TESTING, CONTACT TRACING, 
PROTECT, SERVE, ISOLATE THE 
SICK AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO 
THE SHUT DOWN. 
SOCIAL DISTANCING IS A THIRD 
FACTOR THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
BUT FINALLY THE LAST ONE, 
HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS. 
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT IT 
HELPS KEEP PEOPLE SAFER, EITHER 
FROM SERIOUS CONDITIONS OR 
DEATH FROM COVID 19 IF THEY 
HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE? 
>> YES, OF COURSE. 
>> OF COURSE THAT IS THE CASE. 
IN SOUTH KOREA, 97% OF THE 
POPULATION HAS HEALTH 
INSURANCE. 
IN THE UNITED STATES, BEFORE 
COVID 19, MILLIONS DIDN'T HAVE 
IT. 
AND LACKED ACCESS TO HEALTH 
CARE. 
THE MASSIVE JOB LOSSES IN THE 
LAST MONTH THREATENED TO TAKE 
HEALTH INSURANCE AWAY FROM 
MILLIONS MORE. 
AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING 
ALL HE CAN TO DISMANTLE THE 
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WHICH WOULD 
TAKE HEALTH INSURANCE AWAY FROM 
TENS OF MILLIONS MORE. 
LET'S LEARN THE LESSONS FROM 
THOSE THAT ARE DOING THIS 
RIGHT. 
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, I YIELD 
BACK. 
>> CAN I MAKE A CLARIFICATION, 
PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN? 
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I 
DID PROJECT THAT WE WOULD HAVE 
THE ABILITY TO PERFORM 40-50 
MILLION TESTS PER MONTH AND IN 
THAT TIME FRAME. 
BUT I SAID IF NEEDED AT THAT 
TIME. 
I'M NOT MAKING A PROCLAMATION. 
WE HAVE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND 
WHERE THE EPIDEMIC IS, WHAT THE 
COMMUNITY SPREAD IS. 
BEFORE WE CAN ESTIMATE THE 
NUMBER OF TESTS NEEDED. 
I WAS SIMPLY STATING THE FACT 
THAT OUR TESTING CAPABILITIES 
WILL BE AT THAT LEVEL EVEN 
BARRING NEW INPUT FROM THE NIH. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR 
KAINE. 
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE 
THIS MORNING VIRTUALLY BUT FOR 
ALL YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THESE 
MANY, MANY MONTHS. 
ALASKA IS DOING OKAY RIGHT NOW 
FROM A NUMBERS PERSPECTIVE. 
AND QUITE HONESTLY WE WANT TO 
KEEP IT THAT WAY. 
BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE 
EXCEPTIONALLY VULNERABLE 
POPULATIONS. 
WE KNOW WE HAVE A GEOGRAPHY 
THAT IS CHALLENGING. 
WE KNOW WE HAVE FACILITIES THAT 
ARE VERY LIMITED. 
LAST HEARING WE HAD AN 
OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM DR. 
COLLINS AND HE SHARED WHERE 
THEY ARE WITH THE RAD X AND 
ALSO SPOKE TO RAD X UP WHICH IS 
INTERESTING ABOUT WHAT WE COULD 
BE DOING IN RURAL AREAS. 
LIKE FOCUSING ON HOT SPOTS. 
AS I REMINDED HIM, WE DON'T 
WANT TO BE A HOT SPOT IN 
ALASKA. 
SO EVERY EFFORT THAT WE MAKE TO 
KEEP THE VIRUS OUT OF ALASKA IS 
OUR LIVES THAT ARE SAVED. 
I  EDUCATED HIM ON THE 
COMMUNITY OF CORDOVA THAT IS 
GETTING READY TO OPEN UP ITS 
SALMON FISHERY IN TWO DAYS. 
AND WAS ABLE TO SHARE THAT THEY 
HAD ONE WORKER TESTED POSITIVE 
AS HE WAS COMING IN FROM THE 
LOWER 48 JUST TO COME TO WORK. 
THE GOOD NEWS ON 245 IS ALL THE 
PROTOCOLS SOMEWHERE PUT IN 
PLACE SEEM TO BE WORKING. 
THE QUARANTINE, THE ISOLATION 
NOT ONLY FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, 
BUT FOR OTHERS THAT HE HAD COME 
IN CONTACT WERE SECURE. 
I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE 
ASSISTANCE THAT WE HAVE 
RECEIVED FROM THE 
ADMINISTRATION. 
DR. EASTMAN IS IN THE STATE AT 
THIS MOMENT. 
VIA THE CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER 
FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND 
SECURITY GOING OUT TO RURAL 
COMMUNITIES TO REALLY BETTER 
UNDERSTAND OUR VULNERABILITIES. 
GO TO SOME OF OUR FISHING 
COMMUNITIES TO AGAIN UNDERSTAND 
HOW WE CAN SUCCESSFULLY 
PROSECUTE A FISHERY WHEN YOU 
HAVE TO BRING WORKERS IN FROM 
THE OUTSIDE. 
WE THANK YOU FOR THE ASSISTANCE 
WITH REGARDS TO ADDITIONAL 
TESTING CAPACITY. 
I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH OUR 
CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER OF THE 
STATE THIS MORNING AND THE 
MAYOR OF CORDOVA. 
JUST BETTER UNDERSTANDING, 
AGAIN. 
DO WE HAVE THE TESTS WE NEED? 
WHAT DO WE NEED ON THE GROUND? 
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD 
LIKE TO HAVE CLARIFIED, AND 
THIS IS PROBABLY TO YOU BECAUSE 
YOU HAVE BEEN SO HELPFUL IN 
SHINING THE LIGHT OF WHAT WE 
NEED TO BE DOING IN THESE RURAL 
AREAS. 
BUT SO MUCH OF THE FOCUS HAS 
BEEN ON HOT SPOTS AND 
RESPONDING TO THE HOT SPOTS. 
BUT HOW DO YOU KEEP THOSE 
RURAL, REMOTE, SMALL 
COMMUNITIES FROM BECOMING THE 
HOT SPOTS IN THE FIRST PLACE? 
ARE WE DOING ENOUGH? 
AND RIGHT NOW THE STRATEGY HAS 
BEEN WHICH IS BLOCK IT OFF. 
THE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS THAT 
ARE IN PLACE ARE APPARENTLY 
WORKING. 
BUT THEY ARE ALSO, THEY ARE 
ALSO DEVASTATING OUR ECONOMY. 
WHETHER IT'S TOURISM, WHETHER 
IT'S OUR RESOURCE INDUSTRIES OR 
POTENTIAL FOR OUR FISHERIES. 
SO ADMIRAL IF YOU MIGHT SPEAK 
TO THAT AND CONTACT TRACING 
THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT TO 
EITHER ADMIRAL GERARD OR DR. 
REDFIELD. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR. 
AS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN 
OUTSTANDING STATE HEALTH 
OFFICER. 
AND I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF 
WORKING WITH HER AND YOU HAVE A 
VERY GOOD PROTOCOL IN TRYING TO 
KEEP ALASKA SAFE BY ISOLATION 
OVER A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN YOU 
COME IN. 
AS YOU KNOW, WE ALSO WORK WITH 
THE STATE TO MEET YOUR VERY 
CHALLENGING TESTING 
REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T 
REALLY, YOU'VE KNOW, SEND LABS 
OUT 1,000 MILES AWAY. 
WE PUT A CUSTOMIZED MIX OF 
PUBLIC CARE. 
AND YOU'VE DONE TO DATE 
COLLECTIVELY IN ORDER TO 
PROVIDE THAT SPORT. 
SO I THINK THERE IS A 
COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY THAT YOU 
DO HAVE. 
BUT AGAIN THE MITIGATION TO THE 
DEGREE THAT YOU CAN GIVEN THE 
CIRCUMSTANCES, THE FACE MASKS, 
THE HAND WASHING, THE HYGIENE. 
WE UNDERSTAND CHALLENGES. 
BUT ALL OF THESE HAVE TO COME 
TOGETHER. 
THE TESTING, THE TRACING, THE 
MITIGATION, THE HYGIENE FACTORS 
TO TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMUNITY 
SAFE AND WE REALLY UNDERSTAND 
CULTURALLY THAT MANY OF YOUR 
COMMUNITIES WERE ANNIHILATED IN 
THE 1918 BY INFLUENZA PANDEMIC. 
AND THAT MEMORY IS STILL VERY 
SHARP AND HURTFUL TO MANY OF 
THE CITIZENS. 
WE WANT TO DO OUR BEST TO 
ASSURE THEM WE ARE GIVING THEM 
ALL THE PROTECTION WE CAN. 
>> ADMIRAL, LET ME TURN TO DR. 
REDFIELD. 
THIS RELATES TO CONTACT 
TRACING. 
I THINK THIS IS A VERY, VERY 
KEY PART OF HOW WE MOVE FORWARD 
INTO GETTING PEOPLE BACK TO 
WORK. 
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 100 
PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN 
CONTACT TRACING IN ALASKA. 
THAT IS CLEARLY NOT SUFFICIENT. 
THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT A 
NATIONAL STRATEGY. 
I THINK WE RECOGNIZE WE HAVE 
TEAMS IN PLACE WHETHER IT'S 
AMERICA OR PEACE CORP OR PUBLIC 
HEALTH CORP. 
WHAT MORE DO WE NEED TO BE 
DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE 
YOU'VE BEEN TESTED POSITIVE, 
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 
THAT. 
WHO ELSE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT 
INTO THIS? 
AND I'M NOT CONVINCED WE ARE 
FOCUSING ENOUGH ON THAT ASPECT 
OF HOW WE MOVE TO REOPENING IF 
WE HAVE NOT DONE THE CONTACT 
TRACING? 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
SENATOR. 
I WANT TO REEMPHASIZE WHAT YOU 
SAID. 
I THINK CONTACT TRACING IS 
CRITICAL. 
IT'S GOING TO BE THE DIFFERENCE 
FROM SUCCEEDING AND CONTAINING 
THIS OUTBREAK TO WIDE SPREAD 
COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION OR NOT. 
WE ARE POSITIONED, AS YOU KNOW, 
TO DEPLOY, REDEPLOY THE NUMBER 
OF CDC OVER 500 CDC 
INDIVIDUALS. 
WE HAVE 650 THIS REWITH TRYING 
TO PUT IN. 
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH 
YOUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT. 
THE RESOURCES WE'VE BEEN ABLE 
TO GIVE BECAUSE OF THE 
CONGRESS. 
AND ALSO WITH OTHER AGENCIES 
AND AMERICORP AND CENSUS BUREAU 
TO HAVE THE STATE DELOP THIS 
FISHING CAPACITY. 
SOME STATES HAVE REAPPLIQUED 
STATE WORK. 
SOME HAVE REAPPLIQUED NATIONAL 
GUARD. 
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. 
I SAID IT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT 
EFFORT TO BUILD THE CONTACT 
TRACING CAPACITY WE NEED IN 
THIS NATION. 
IT WILL BE STATE BY STATE. 
BUT IT WILL NEED TO BE AUGMENT 
-Z. 
PROBABLY IN YOUR STATE, LIKE 
WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
FIVE TO TENFOLD. 
AND WE'RE THERE TO WORK WITH 
THE STATES TO HELP THEM GET 
THAT ACCOMPLISHED. 
>> WE NEED TO MOVE ON. 
>> THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU. 
I DON'T WANT TO CUT ANY SENATOR 
OFF, BUT WE HAVE EIGHT MORE 
SENATORS WHO HAVE FIVE MINUTE 
ROUNDS AND IT'S 12:30 SO I 
WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE 
SENATORS END THE  WITNESSES 
SAMEQUESTIONS. 
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
THANK YOU AND THE RANKING 
MEMBER FOR HAVING THIS HEARING 
AND THANK YOU TO OUR WITNESSES 
TODAY. 
PLEASE PASS OUR THANKS ALONG TO 
ALL OF THE HARD WORKING WOMEN 
AND MEN IN YOUR AGENCIES WHO I 
KNOW WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING 
AROUND THE CLOCK TO TRY TO 
IMPROVE OUR RESPONSE AND KEEP 
AMERICANS SAFE. 
AND MR. CHAIR, I HOPE YOU AND 
ALL THE WITNESSES ARE HEALTHY 
AND SAFE TODAY AS IS EVERYBODY 
ON YOUR TEAM. 
I WANTED TO START BY ECHOING 
THE COMMENTS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE 
MADE ABOUT LEADERSHIP FROM THE 
CDC AND PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS 
ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO USE 
FACTS AND EVIDENCE AS GUIDANCE 
SO THAT OUR SCHOOLS AND DAY 
CARES AND BUSINESSES HAVE THE 
INFORMATION THEY NEED TO CREATE 
SAFE AND SUSTAINABLE PLANS TO 
REOPEN. 
AND OF COURSE THAT MEANS TO OUR 
TESTING CAPACITY NOT ONLY HAS 
TO BE ENOUGH, BUT IT HAS TO BE 
FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO MEET OUR 
NEEDS. 
THE KEY DISTINCTION BETWEEN 
SOUTH KOREA AND THE UNITED 
STATES IS NOT HOW MANY TESTS 
PER CAPITA OVER A CERTAIN 
AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAVE DONE, 
BUT THE FACT THAT AT THE ONSET 
OF THIS PANDEMIC, SOUTH KOREA 
WAS MUCH MORE ABLE TO DO A LOT 
MORE TESTS PER CAPITA THAN WE 
WERE AND FOLLOW THAT WITH ALL 
THE OTHER MEASURES YOU TALKED 
ABOUT. 
SO THAT WE CONTINUE THE NEED TO 
IDENTIFY THE NEED AND THEN 
BUILD OUR CAPACITY TOWARD THE 
NEED, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. 
I WANTED TO START WITH A 
QUESTION TO YOU, DR. FAUCI. 
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR 
YOUR WORK AND EXPERTISE. 
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NURSING 
HOMES. 
NEW HAMPSHIRE AND ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY A HUGE NUMBER OF THE 
DEATHS FROM COVID 19 THAT WE 
ARE SEEING HAVE BEEN IN NURSING 
HOMES. 
WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE 
LOST A FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER 
IN NURSING HOMES AND THE GRIEF 
COMPOUNDED BY THE FACT THAT 
PEOPLE COULDN'T BE WITH THEIR 
LOVED ONES BEDSIDE IF THEY 
DIED. 
YESTERDAY DR. BURKE SAID THAT 
ALL 1 MILLION NURSING HOME 
RESIDENTS SHOULD BE TESTED 
WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AS 
WELL AS ALL NURSING HOME STAFF. 
DR. FAUCI, AS A SHORT-TERM 
GOAL, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. 
BUT AFTER THAT, WHAT WILL BE 
THE ON GOING FEDERAL 
RECOMMENDATIONS LOOK LIKE? 
HOW FREQUENTLY DO WE NEED TO 
TEST PATIENTS AND STAFF ON A 
CONTINUING BASIS? 
AND WHAT OTHER MEASURES WILL BE 
NECESSARY TO KEEP OUR LOVED 
ONES IN THESE FACILITIES SAFE? 
>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, 
SENATOR HASSAN. 
THE GENERAL PLAN THAT WAS 
RECOMMENDED BY DR. BURKE, SOUND 
PLAN, AS YOU SAID, IN THE 
IMMEDIATE. 
QUESTION IS IN THE LONG RANGE, 
WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE INFECTION 
CONTROL CAPABILITIES IN THE 
NURSING HOMES THAT IS PRISTINE. 
WE HAVE TO DO THE KIND OF 
SURVEILLANCES AND HAVE THE 
CAPABILITIES WHEN YOU IDENTIFY 
SOMEONE YOU GET OUT OF THAT 
PARTICULAR ENVIRONMENT SO YOU 
DON'T SPREAD THE INFECTION 
THROUGHOUT. 
GENERAL TESTING FOR ALL IS A 
GOOD START. 
BUT WHEN YOU THINK OF WHERE YOU 
ARE GOING TO GO IN THE FUTURE 
THERE HAS TO BE A CONSIDERABLE 
DEGREE OF SURVEILLANCE 
CAPABILITY. 
>> THANK YOU, DOCTOR. 
THE WHITE HOUSE IS REQUIRING 
ALL STAFF TO WEAR MASKS AND 
ANYONE IN REGULAR CONTACT WITH 
THE PRESIDENT TESTED DAILY. 
DO YOU THINK NURSING HOMES 
SHOULD IMPLEMENT THOSE SAME 
MEASURES TO HELP MAKE SURE OUR 
SENIORS GET THE SAME LEVEL OF 
PROTECTION? 
>> I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A 
SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR OPTIMAL 
PROTECTION OF PEOPLE IN NURSING 
HOMES. 
AND THAT WOULD BE NOT 
NECESSARILY TESTING EVERY 
PERSON EVERY DAY, THAT MIGHT BE 
ONE APPROACH THAT MIGHT NOT BE 
PRACTICAL WHEN YOU THINK OF ALL 
THE NURSING HOMES IN THE 
COUNTRY. 
BUT IF YOU STRIP REGULATIONS 
AND GUIDELINES ABOUT WHO IS 
ALLOWED TO GO INTO THE NURSING 
HOME AND THE STAFF NEEDS TO BE 
MONITORED VERY CAREFULLY WITH 
INTERMITTENT TESTING TO MAKE 
SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE 
INTRODUCTION INTO THE NURSING 
HOME OF INFECTED INDIVIDUALS. 
I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN DO TESTING 
EVERY DAY. 
THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD BE 
FEASIBLE. 
BUT SOME THINGS THAT IS MUCH 
MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN HAS BEEN 
CONSIDERED IN THE PAST SHOULD 
BE DONE. 
>> THANK YOU. 
I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION FOR 
DR. FAUCI AND REDFIELD. 
I WILL ALSO JUST SAY IF WE ARE 
ABLE TO GET MASKS TO EVERYBODY 
IN THE WHITE HOUSE, I HOPE WE 
CAN GET MASKS TO EVERY NURSING 
HOME EMPLOYEE WHO NEEDS IT. 
DR. FAUCI AND REDFIELD, U.S. 
NEEDS TO BE PREPARING NOW TO 
MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY 
AND ADMINISTERED VACCINES. 
THE FAILURE TO RAMP UP 
PRODUCTION OF TESTING AND 
PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT 
EARLY ON DURING THIS CRISIS 
MADE THINGS WORSE HERE. 
AND THOSE MISTAKES CAN'T BE 
REPEATED WHEN IT COMES TO 
VACCINE PRODUCTION AND 
DISTRIBUTION. 
WE ARE ALREADY SEEING REPORTS 
OF SOME CHILDREN NOT RECEIVING 
IMMUNIZATIONS AS IT BECOMES 
MORE DIFFICULT TO ACCESS IN 
PERSON CARE. 
DR. FAUCI, WHAT STEPS HAVE WE 
TAKEN NOW TO INSURE WE HAVE 
SUFFICIENT DISTRIBUTION AND 
MANUFACTURING FOR COVID 19 
VACCINE. 
AND MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD 
BE WHAT EFFORTS ARE UNDER WAY 
AT CDC TO INSURE ALL VACCINES 
ARE AVAILABLE? 
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
I WILL ANSWER IT AS QUICKLY AS 
POSSIBLE. 
I ILLUDED TO THIS IN MY 
INTRODUCTORY MARKS WHEN I 
TALKED ABOUT VACCINES FOR COVID 
19. 
AND WHAT WE SAID AS WE DO THE 
TESTING ON THESE VACCINES, WE 
ARE GOING TO MAKE PRODUCTION AT 
RISK. 
WHICH MEANS WE WILL START BY 
PUTTING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS 
OFDOLLARS OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 
MONEY INTO DEVELOPMENT AND 
PRODUCTION OF VACCINE DOSES 
BEFORE WE EVEN KNOW IT WORKS. 
AND WHEN WE DO, AND I HOPE WE 
WILL AND I HAVE CAUTIOUS 
OPTIMISM THAT WE WILL, 
HOPEFULLY GET AN EFFECTIVE AND 
SAFE VACCINE. 
THAT WE WILL HAVE DOSES 
AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY THAT 
NEEDS IT IN THE UNITED STATES. 
AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE WHAT IS 
BENEATH GLOBALLY. 
BECAUSE WE ARE PARTNERING WITH 
A NUMBER OF OTHER COUNTRIES. 
THE OTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION 
ABOUT MAKING SURE WHEN WE GET 
INTO A SITUATION THICK THE SO-
CALLED SHUT DOWN THAT WE MIGHT 
BE IN NOW, THAT WE MAKE SURE 
CHILDREN GET THE VACCINATIONS 
THAT THEY NEED. 
THAT WOULD BE AN UNINTENDED 
CONSEQUENCE. 
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T 
FALL BEHIND ON THAT ALSO. 
THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU. 
I WILL TAKE MY ANSWER FROM DR. 
REDFIELD OFFLINE. 
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO 
GO. 
>> THANK YOU SENATOR HASSAN. 
SENATOR SCOTT. 
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND 
TO THE PANEL. 
VERY THANKFUL FOR FOLKS LIKE 
DR. BURKE AND FAUCI. 
WITHOUT ANY QUESTION OUR NATION 
IS SAFER BECAUSE OF YOUR HARD 
WORK. 
I WANT TO DIRECT MY QUESTION 
TOWARD DR. FAUCI. 
ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION. 
I'M THINKING ABOUT THE 
REOPENING OF AMERICA. 
SPECIFICALLY THE REOPENING OF 
SOUTH CAROLINA. 
I THINK OVER ALL OUR CASES ARE 
MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 8,000 
CASES. 
UNFORTUNATELY 350 DEATHS. 
OUR HOSPITAL CAPACITY IS 
ACTUALLY BETTER NOW THAN IT WAS 
WHEN THE PANDEMIC STARTED. 
OUR ABILITY TO ISOLATE HOT 
SPOTS AND MITIGATE THE SPREAD 
OF THE VIRUS IS, I THINK WHERE 
IT NEEDS TO BE. 
WITH THAT IN MIND I FLEW INTO 
WASHINGTON FROM SOUTH CAROLINA 
YESTERDAY. 
WE HAVE PLANS TO TEST ADIGGALLY 
220,000 MORE RESIDENTS BY THE 
END OF THIS MONTH. 
FOCUSING ON AT RISK 
POPULATIONS. 
BY THE END OF THIS MONTH WE 
WILL HAVE TESTED 100% OF 
NURSING HOME RESIDENTS AND THE 
STAFF THAT TAKES CARE OF THEM. 
AND AFTER INCREASING OUR 
CONTACT TRACING WORK FORCE 20 
FOLD IN THE MATTER OF WEEKS, 
OUR STATE'S HEALTH DEPARTMENT 
ANNOUNCED WE WOULD INCREASE IT 
BY AN ADDITIONAL 1400 CONTACT 
TRACERS. 
WE HAVE BUILT AND CONTINUE TO 
BUILD THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO 
BETTER DETECT AND ISOLATE AND 
PREVENT SUBSTANTIAL SPIKES 
MOVING FORWARD. 
MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR HEALTH 
CARE SYSTEM THANKS IN PART TO 
FLEXIBILITIES FROM THIS 
ADMINISTRATION HAS THE BEDS AND 
EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO ADDRESS 
THE MOST SERIOUS CASES WHEN 
THEY ARRIVE. 
NOW WITH THESE TOOLS IN HAND, 
WE HAVE BEGUN TO REOPEN. 
TO BE CLEAR, WE CONTINUE TO 
SCALE UP TESTING AND TAKE 
MEASURE TO PROTECT THE MOST 
VULNERABLE. 
AND THE DATA POINTS ARE 
INCREASINGLY CLEAR. 
FOR OLDER AMERICANS, FOR THOSE 
WITH CHRONIC CONDITIONS LIKE 
DIABETES AND HIGH BLOOD 
PRESSURE, THIS VIRUS REMAINS A 
THREAT. 
A DANGEROUS THREAT. 
A RECENT REPORT SUGGESTS THAT 
IN NEW YORK ROUGHLY 90% OF THE 
FATALITIES HAD UNDER LYING 
ISSUES. 
TWO-THIRDS THE FATALITIES OF 70 
YEARS OR OLDER. 
95% OVER THE AGE OF 50. 
IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THE MEETING 
AGE OF PARENTS WHO HAVE DIED 
FROM THE VIRUS 76.5. 
NEARLY TWO-THIRDS OF FATALITIES 
HAVE BEEN PATIENTS OLDER THAN 
71 AND NEARLY 90% WERE OVER THE 
AGE OF 60. 
AND ROUGHLY 98% IN SOUTH 
CAROLINA ARE OVER THE AGE OF 
50. 
CONTRAST WITH THOSE AGE 20 AND 
YOUNGER WHERE WE'VE SEEN NO 
DEATHS, FEWER THAN 1% OF DEATHS 
IN MY STATE HAVE BEEN UNDER THE 
AGE OF 40. 
EVERY SINGLE DEATH IS A 
TRAGEDY. 
EVERY SINGLE ONE. 
AND WE MOURN WITH OUR FAMILY 
MEMBERS THAT HAVE LOST THEIR 
LOVED ONES. 
WE ARE TAKING EVERY MEASURE TO 
TAKE CARE OF OUR OLDER SOUTH 
CAROLINIANS AND THOSE WITH 
UNDER LYING CONDITIONS. 
BUT WHEN WE SET OUT TO FLATTEN 
THE CURVE WHEN TAKING 
UNPRECEDENTED MEASURES LIKE 
STAYING AT HOME ORDERS AND MASS 
SMALL BUSINESS CLOSURES, WE 
DIDN'T SET OUT WITH A GOAL OF 
PREVENTING 100% FATALITIES. 
THAT WOULD BE UNREALISTIC. 
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. 
AND WE DIDN'T SET OUT TO KEEP 
QUARANTINES IN PLACE UNTIL WE 
FOUND A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE 
VACCINE THAT WOULD TAKE TOO 
LONG. 
DR. REDFIELD YOUR AGENCY PUT 
OUT A HELPFUL GRAPHIC. 
ONE THAT SPIKED QUICKLY AND 
PEAKED HIGH. 
THE OTHER IS FLATTER CURVE 
SHOWED CASES WITH THOSE 
MEASURES IN PLACE. 
AND THE WHOLE POINT WAS GRAPHIC 
ILLUSTRATED WAS TO MAKE SURE WE 
DID NOT EXCEED HOSPITAL 
CAPACITY. 
SO WHILE I RESPECT THE NEED FOR 
CAUTION, WE ARE TOO OFTEN 
PRESENTED WITH A FALSE TIE COD 
MY. 
EITHER SAVING OUR ECONOMY OR 
SAVING LIVES. 
WE'VE SEEN THE GOAL POSTS 
AROUND FLATTENING THE CURVE 
MOVE. 
& I THINK THAT IS 
UNFORTUNATELY. 
AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE DOING 
THAT BUSINESSES COLLAPSE, 
MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH HAVE 
DECLINED. 
DEPTHS OF DISPAIR ESCALATE. 
WE'VE SET OUT TO FLATTEN THE 
CURVE AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE 
A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF THAT. 
WE NEED TO DO BETTER AND WE 
WILL DO BETTER. 
MY QUESTION, DR. FAUCI, IS AS 
WE START THE PROCESS OF MOVING 
TOWARD REOPENING SOUTH 
CAROLINA, WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU 
SUGGEST THAT WE COULD DO TO 
PROTECT OUR MOST VULNERABLE 
POPULATIONS? 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR SCOTT. 
YOU GAVE A REALLY ELOQUENT 
DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WOULD BE A 
MODEL WAY WHERE YOU APPROACH 
THIS. 
YOU HAVE PUT THINGS IN PLACE 
THAT I THINK WOULD OPTIMIZE 
YOUR CAPABILITY OF REOPENING. 
AND AS I WAS THINKING AS YOU 
WERE SPEAKING, I ALMOST WANT TO 
CLONE THAT AND MAKE SURE OTHER 
PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT THAT AND SEE 
WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING. 
THE ISSUE OF YOUR DIRECT 
QUESTION TO ME, ABOUT THE 
VULNERABLE POPULATION, IS THAT 
AS WE HAVE SAID IN OUR 
GUIDELINES, AND IT LOOKS LIKE 
YOU ARE READY TO PROGRESS 
CAREFULLY BECAUSE YOU PUT IN 
PLACE A VERY GOOD SYSTEM. 
THAT THE VULNERABLE, THE 
ELDERLY AND THOSE WITH UNDER 
LYING CONDITIONS, SHOULD BE 
THOSE THAT AT THE VERY LAST 
LISTING OF MITIGATIONS SHOULD 
BE THOSE WHO ARE LEFT IN A 
SITUATION WHERE THEY MIGHT BE 
IN DANGER OF GETTING INFECTED. 
IN OTHER WORDS, PROTECT THEM 
RIGHT UP UNTIL THE VERY END OF 
THE RELAXATION OF YOUR 
MITIGATION. 
BECAUSE AS YOU SAID VERY 
CORRECTLY, THOSE ARE THE 
INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE THE MOST 
VULNERABLE. 
SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS, 
PARTICULARLY I MIGHT SAY, SIR, 
THOSE IN THE AUTHORITY GROUP, 
THE AFRICAN AMERICAN AND 
HISPANICS WHO FOR A VARIETY OF 
SITUATIONS HAVE A GREATER 
LIKELIHOOD OF NOT ONLY GETTING 
INFECTED, BUT ALSO HAVING THE 
UNDER LYING CONDITIONS THAT 
WOULD MAKE THEIR RISK FOR HIGH 
DEGREE OF MORBIDITY HIGHER. 
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO 
CONTINUE AND FOLLOW THE 
GUIDELINES AS YOU GET CLOSER TO 
NORMALIZING YOUR STATE. 
THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU DR. FAUCI. 
I WILL CLOSE WITH THIS. 
THANK YOU FOR THE MANY 
CONVERSATIONS YOU AND I HAVE 
HAD ABOUT THOSE VULNERABLE 
POPULATIONS TO INCLUDE 
MINORITIES AS WELL AS OUR 
SENIOR CITIZENS. 
I WILL SAY THAT WITHOUT ANY 
QUESTION WHEN YOU LOOK AT 
NURSING HOMES, PARTICULARLY 
AFRICAN AMERICANS ANDS WILL 
PANICS ARE THE CERTIFIED 
NURSING ASSISTANTS THAT PROVIDE 
CARE FOR THE ELDERLY 
POPULATION. 
YOUR FOCUS ON THOSE TWO VERY 
VULNERABLE GROUPS IS VERY MUCH 
APPRECIATED. 
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR 
EXPERTISE. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR SCOTT. 
AND SENATOR SMITH. 
>> THANK YOU CHAIR ALEXANDER 
AND MURRAY AND THANK YOU FOR 
ALL OF YOU BEING HERE TODAY AND 
FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
DR. FAUCI, YOU ARE IN THE 
POSITION OF BEING THE PERSON 
THAT SO MANY AMERICANS AND 
MINNESOTANS TRUST TO GIVE THE 
STRAIGHT SCOOP AND TELL US WHAT 
IS REALLY HAPPENING. 
YOU'RE ABOUT THE FACTS AND NOT 
ABOUT THE POLITICS AND THAT IS 
A GOOD THING. 
I HAVE TO START BY ASKING A 
QUESTION I THINK A LOT OF 
AMERICANS WANT TO KNOW WHICH IS 
HOW YOU ARE DOING. 
HOW ARE YOU HOLDING UP? 
THIS HAS BEEN AN UNBELIEVABLE 
EFFORT. 
>> I'M DOING FINE, SENATOR. 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ASKING. 
THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT 
PROBLEM. 
IT TRANSCENDS ALL OF US 
INDIVIDUALLY AND HAS TO BE 
WORKING AS A TEAM. 
I ENJOY WORKING WITH YOUR 
SENATORS AND THE GOVERNORS 
BECAUSE IT'S AT THE LOCAL LEVEL 
THAT WE WILL MAKE THIS THING 
WORK. 
SO I'M FINE, I APPRECIATE YOUR 
CONCERN. 
>> WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE 
THINKING OF YOU AND GRATEFUL 
FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
WE ARE GATHERED TO DO TO THINK 
ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO 
REOPEN OUR ECONOMY. 
I THINK FIRST OF ALL WHAT IS 
HAPPENING IN MY HOME STATE OF 
MINNESOTA WHERE AGRICULTURAL IS 
SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF HOW 
OUR STATE WORKS. 
IT'S A PART OF OUR HISTORY. 
CORE PROCESSERS ARE LOOKING AT 
THE REALITY OF EUTHANIZING 
THOUSANDS OF HOGS A DAY BECAUSE 
THERE IS NOWHERE TO PROCESS 
THEM BECAUSE OF WHAT IS 
HAPPENING IN THE PROCESSING 
PLANT. 
AND THE WORKING PEOPLE THAT DO 
THE HARD WORK IN THOSE 
PROCESSING PLANTS ARE GETTING 
SICK. 
SO HERE'S ONE STORY. 
THIS IS ONE WORKER THE STAR 
TRIBUNE WROTE ABOUT THIS. 
SHE WORKS FOR THE CONTRACTOR 
THAT DOES THE CLEANING AND 
PROCESSING PLANT. 
SHE WORKS FOR $14 AN HOUR, 
SEVEN HOURS A DAY, FIVE DAYS A 
WEEK AND HER JOB IS TO SANITIZE 
THE MACHINES THAT PROCESS THE 
MEAT INTO GROUND MEAT. 
AND SHE STARTED FEELING SICK ON 
APRIL 11th. 
BUT SHE KEPT GOING TO WORK. 
AND ON APRIL 21st WHEN ONE OF 
HER COWORKERS FAINTED, SHE TOLD 
HER SUPERVISOR THAT SHE FELT 
SICK AND SO SHE WAS TOLD TO GO 
HOME BUT IF SHE DIDN'T SHOW ANY 
SIGNS OF ILLNESS, SHE SHOULD 
COME BACK. 
SHE WENT TO THE DOCTOR AND PAID 
$115 TO GET A TEST AND FOUND 
OUT A FEW DAYS LATER THAT SHE 
WAS COVID POSITIVE. 
AND SHE IS STILL AT HOME. 
SHE IS NOT GETTING PAID. 
AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE HEALTH 
INSURANCE. 
AND NEARLY TWO WEEKS AGO 
PRESIDENT TRUMP DEPLOYED THE 
DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT TO KEEP 
THESE PROCESSING PLANTS OPEN. 
BUT THE USDA GAVE REALLY 
LIMITED GUIDANCE ABOUT WHAT 
COULD BE SAFE FOR THOSE 
WORKERS. 
IT SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, IN 
RESPONSE TO TESTING, WHICH IS 
SUCH A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'VE 
BEEN DOING TODAY, THEY SAID 
FACILITIES SHOULD CONSIDER THE 
APPROPRIATE ROLE OF TESTING IN 
WORKPLACE CONTRACT TRACING OF 
COVID 19 POSITIVE WORKERS IN A 
WORK SITE AND ASSESSMENT. 
SO DR. FAUCI, AS WE THINK ABOUT 
HOW WE MOVE FORWARD, WE ALL 
WANT TO OPEN UP THE ECONOMY. 
WHAT GUIDANCE WOULD YOU GIVE US 
IN THIS SITUATION LIKE THIS 
HERE IN MINNESOTA? 
>> WELL, I CAN GIVE YOU MY 
COMMON SENSE GUIDANCE. 
ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT THE AREA 
OF MY EXPERTISE. 
IT'S MORE IN OTHERS. 
BUT IT WOULD SEEM IF YOU WANT 
TO KEEP THINGS LIKE ACTING 
PLANTS OPEN THAT YOU HAVE TO 
PROVIDE THE OPTIMUM DEGREE OF 
PROTECTION FOR THE WORKERS 
INVOLVED. 
THE ABILITY TO ALLOW THEM TO GO 
TO WORK SAFELY AND IF AND WHEN 
INDIVIDUALS GET INFECTED, TO 
IMMEDIATELY BE ABLE TO GET THEM 
OUT AND GIVE THEM THE PROPER 
CARE. 
SO I WOULD THINK WHEN YOU ARE 
CALLING UPON PEOPLE TO FORM 
ESSENTIAL SERVICES, YOU ALMOST 
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE 
SURE THEY ARE WELL TAKEN CARE 
OF AND WELL PROTECTED. 
THAT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL 
PROCLAMATION. 
THAT IS JUST ME SPEAKING AS A 
PHYSICIAN AND HUMAN BEING. 
>> THANK YOU, DR. FAUCI. 
I THINK YOU SPEAK AS A HUMAN 
BEING, BUT YOU ALSO SPEAK AS 
THE CHIEF EPIDEMIOLOGIST OF OUR 
COUNTRY AND THE PERSON WE ALL 
TRUST. 
THIS IS THE POINT I WANT TO 
MAKE AND DRIVE HOME WITH 
EVERYBODY. 
THIS IS THE KIND OF GUIDANCE 
THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING AND 
FOLLOWING. 
AND THESE ARE THE TOOLS WE HAVE 
GOT TO HAVE IN OUR COUNTRY IF 
WE ARE GOING TO REOPEN OUR 
ECONOMY AS WE ALL WANT TO DO. 
AND IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH 
REOPENING OUR ECONOMY, AND WE 
STILL HAD CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE 
THESE PROCESSING PLANTS AND 
OTHER PLACES AROUND THE STATE, 
WE ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK 
WHERE WE STARTED EXCEPT IN A 
WORKPLACE AS YOU POINTED OUT 
DR. FAUCI. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR. 
AND AGAIN, IT REALLY RELATES TO 
ONE OF THE COLLEAGUES SENATORS 
ASKED ME BEFORE. 
ONE OF THE THINGS I KEEP 
EMPHASIZING, AND I WILL REPEAT 
IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S 
IMPORTANT. 
THAT WHEN YOU ARE IN THE 
PROCESS OF OPENING UP AND 
PULLING BACK ON LITIGATION, YOU 
REALLY MUST HAVE IN THE 
CAPABILITY OF RESPONDING WHEN 
YOU DO HAVE THE INEVITABLE UP 
TICKS IN CASES. 
THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY OCCUR. 
IT'S HOW WE DEAL WITH IT, AND 
HOW SUCCESSFUL WE ARE IN 
PUTTING THE CLAMPS ON IT THAT 
WILL PREVENT US FROM GETTING 
THE KIND OF REBOUND THAT NOT 
ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF 
ILLNESS AND DEATH, BUT 
SOMETHING THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE, 
BUT WOULD SET US BACK IN OUR 
PROGRESS TOWARD REOPENING THE 
COUNTRY. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR 
SMITH. 
SENATOR ROBIN. 
>> ADMIRAL, I WILL KICK OFF 
WHERE SENATOR HASSAN SPOKE. 
I BELIEVE POLITICIANS WILL 
FRAME DATA THAT IS IN THE MOST 
POSITIVE POLITICALLY. 
BUT YESTERDAY YOU CELEBRATED 
THAT WE HAD DONE MORE TESTS AND 
MORE TESTS PER CAPITA EVEN THAN 
SOUTH KOREA. 
BUT YOU IGNORED THE FACT THAT 
THEY ACCOMPLISHED THEIRS AT THE 
BEGINNING OF THE OUTBREAK WHILE 
WE SHREDDED WATER DURING 
FEBRUARY AND MARCH. 
AND AS A RESULT, BY MARCH 6th, 
THE U.S. HAD COMPLETED JUST 
2,000 TESTS. 
WHERE AS SOUTH KOREA HAD 
CONDUCTED MORE THAN 140,000 
TESTS. 
SO PARTIALLY AS A RESULT OF 
THAT, THEY HAVE 256 DEATHS AND 
WE HAVE ALMOST 80,000 DEATHS. 
I FIND OUR TESTING RECORD 
NOTHING TO CELEBRATE. 
THE FACT IS THEIR TEST NUMBERS 
ARE GOING DOWN, DOWN, DOWN NOW 
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND 
OF UPDATE. 
ON A SEPARATE TOPIC, MY IMPRESS 
IS WITH REGARDS TO VACCINE, 
WHERE I'M CRITICAL OF WHAT I 
DID ON TESTING AND VACCINES, WE 
HAVE DOPE A GOOD JOB OF MOVING 
AHEAD PRETTY AGGRESSIVELY. 
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE 
FOR A LACK OF A VACCINE. 
IS PRESIDENT OBAMA OR BY 
EXTENSION PRESIDENT TRUMP DID 
THEY DO SOMETHING THAT MADE 
LIKELY TO CREATING A VACCINE 
LESS LIKELY? 
ARE EITHER PRESIDENTS, TRUMP OR 
OBAMA, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FACT 
THAT WE DON'T HAVE A VACCINE 
NOW OR DELAYING IT IN SOME WAY? 
>> NO, NOT AT ALL. 
CERTAINLY PRESIDENT OBAMA NOR 
PRESIDENT TRUMP ARE RESPONSIBLE 
FOR NOT HAVING A VACCINE. 
WE MOVED, AS YOU SAID BECAUSE I 
DESCRIBED IN MY OPENING 
STATEMENT, RATHER RAPIDLY. 
FROM KNOWING WHAT THE VIRUS WAS 
TO A PHASE ONE TRIAL AS FAST AS 
WE HAVE DONE. 
SO I DON'T THINK THAT IS 
SOMETHING THAT ONCE YOU SAY 
ANYBODY IS SOME FOR DOING 
ANYTHING WRONG ON THAT. 
I THINK THAT IS RIGHT. 
THAT IS THE CORRECT WAY TO DO 
IT. 
>> THAT WAS MY IMPRESS. 
WE WROTE A LETTER TO YOU 
EXPRESSING OUR DISMAY AT THE 
REALTIME DATA. 
I'M TALKING ABOUT GRANULE 
DEMOGRAPHIC, HOSPITALIZATION, 
TREATMENT DATA. 
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE IN THIS DAY 
IN AGE THAT THE CDC HAS NEVER 
ESTABLISHED SUCH A REALTIME 
SYSTEM WITH ACCURATE DATA? 
AND WHAT CAN CONGRESS DO TO 
RECTIFY THAT SO WE NEVER HAVE 
TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS 
AGAIN? 
>> SORRY. 
SENATOR, THANKS FOR THE 
QUESTION. 
I THINK YOU HAVE HIT ONE OF 
THE -- FIRST ONE I FOCUS ON IS 
DAY-TO-DAY MODERNIZATION. 
CLEARLY CONGRESS HAS MOVED 
FORWARD. 
AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF 
IMPLEMENTING. 
THE REALITY IS, THERE IS 
ARCHAIC SYSTEM, NOT INTEGRATED 
PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM. 
EACH PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT 
HAS THEIR OWN SYSTEMS. 
THIS NATION NEEDS A NOT EARN 
HIGHLY CAPABLE DATA ANALYTIC 
SYSTEM THAT CAN DO PREDICTIVE 
ANALYSIS. 
I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE MANY 
SHORTCOMINGS THAT HAS BEEN 
IDENTIFIED AS WE WENT THROUGH 
THIS OUTBREAK. 
AND I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU 
MORE. 
IT'S TIME TO GET THAT 
CORRECTED. 
>> THANK YOU. 
PLEASE HELP GUIDE US TO WHAT WE 
NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT 
HAPPENS. 
I ASSUME IT'S NOT BUILD IT 
OURSELVES BUT WORK WITH 
COMPANIES THAT HAVE THAT 
CAPACITY AND USE THAT CAPACITY 
IN OUR FAVOR. 
DR. FAUCI, ONE LAST THING THAT 
RELATES TO A VIRUS. 
I KNOW I'M ASKING YOU THE 
IMPOSSIBLE QUESTION. 
BUT WE'RE ALL HOPING FOR A 
VACCINE. 
IT'S THE OBJECTIVE OF OUR 
ADMINISTRATION TO GET IT AS 
SOON AS THEY CAN. 
FROM WHAT I CAN TELL THEY ARE 
PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS TO DO 
THAT. 
GIVEN OUR HISTORY WITH VACCINE 
CREATION FOR OTHER CORONAVIRUS, 
HOW LIKELY IS IT? 
IS IT EXTREMELY LIKELY WE WILL 
GET A VACCINE WITHIN A YEAR OR 
TWO? 
IS IT JUST MORE LIKELY THAN 
NOT? 
OR IS IT A LONG SHOT? 
>> IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A LONG 
SHOT, SENATOR ROMNEY. 
I WOULD THINK IT IS MORE LIKELY 
THAN NOT THAT WE WILL. 
BECAUSE THIS IS A VIRUS THAT 
INDUCES AN IMMUNE RESPONSE THAT 
PEOPLE RECOVER. 
THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF 
PEOPLE RECOVER FROM THIS VIRUS. 
ALTHOUGH THERE IS GOOD 
MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY AT A 
LEVEL IN CERTAIN POPULATIONS. 
THE VERY FACT THAT THE BODY IS 
CAPABLE OF SPONTANEOUSLY 
CLEARING THE VIRUS TELLS ME 
THAT AT LEAST FROM A 
CONCEPTIONAL STANDPOINT, WE CAN 
STIMULATE THE BODY WITH A 
VACCINE THAT WOULD INDUCE A 
SIMILAR RESPONSE. 
ALTHOUGH THERE IS NO GUARANTEE, 
I THINK IT CLEARLY MUCH MORE 
LIKELY THAN NOT THAT SOMEWHERE 
WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME WE WILL 
GET A VACCINE FOR THIS VIRUS. 
>> THANK YOU. 
MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD. 
>> THANK YOU SENATOR ROMNEY. 
I WANT TO THANK THE WITNESSES 
FOR THEIR PATIENCE. 
WE HAVE FOUR MORE SENATORS WE 
WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM A 
CHANCE TO ASK THEIR QUESTIONS. 
SENATOR JONES. 
>> THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH, 
MR. CHAIRMAN. 
THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR 
WITNESSES FOR BEING HERE 
VIRTUALLY AND ALSO FOR YOUR 
INCREDIBLE SERVICE DURING THIS 
TIME. 
I WANT TO FOLLOW UP REAL QUICK 
WITH AN ADDITIONAL STATISTIC 
THAT SENATOR ROMNEY TALKED 
ABOUT WITH REGARD TO SOUTH 
KOREA. 
AND THAT IS THE FACT THAT WE 
ARE A NATION THAT HAS ABOUT SIX 
TIMES THE POPULATION OF SOUTH 
KOREA. 
BUT YET, WE HAVE ABOUT 310 
TIMES THE NUMBER OF DEATHS FROM 
THIS PANDEMIC. 
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY 
CAREFUL IN MAKING COMPARESONS 
AROUND THE WORLD. 
COMPARING THE UNITED STATES TO 
OTHER COUNTRIES. 
DR. REDFIELD I WANT TO FOLLOW 
UP WITH WHAT SENATOR MURKOWSKI 
AND SENATOR KAINE TALKED ABOUT 
CONTACT TRACING. 
I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE WORKING 
WITH STATES TO TRY TO DEVELOP 
PLANS FOR REOPENING. 
THE TESTING IS IMPORTANT. 
THE CONTACT TRACING IS 
IMPORTANT. 
BUT USING THAT DATA AS WELL IS 
ALSO GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IN 
TERMS OF THE QUARANTINE PLANS 
THAT SENATOR MURPHY TALKED 
ABOUT. 
CHILD CARE FACILITIES TO ALLOW 
PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR KIDS IN A 
FACILITY WHILE THEY STILL GO 
BACK TO WORK. 
ALL OF THOSE ISSUES INCLUDING 
FACILITIES LIKE VACANT HOTELS 
OR MOTELS THAT MAY BE USED FOR 
SELF-ISOLATION. 
HOW IS THIS PLAN BEING 
DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CDC? 
ARE THOSE PLANS GOING TO BE 
INDIVIDUALIZED BY STATE? 
WILL WE AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS 
HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE PLANS? 
AND HOW ARE STATES GOING TO PAY 
FOR THESE? 
I SAY THAT BECAUSE MY STATE IS 
ALREADY USING THE MONEY THAT 
WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM AS A 
WISH LIST. 
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT $200 
MILLION STATE HOUSE. 
AS OPPOSED TO DEVELOPING THE 
TEST AND DOING THE CONTRACT 
TRACING. 
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS DOWN ON 
HOW THE PLANS WILL DEVELOP. 
WHAT ACCESS WE WILL HAVE. 
AND BEING ABLE TO SEE THEM. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
SENATOR. 
SINCE OBVIOUSLY AS I SAID 
BEFORE, THIS IS A CRITICAL 
COMPONENT OF US TO GET PREPARED 
FOR NEXT FALL AND WINTER. 
AND BUILDING THAT COMPREHENSIVE 
CONTACT TRACING CAPACITY. 
WE ARE WORKING INDIVIDUAL 
YULELY WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF 
THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, 
THE LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, 
TERRITORIAL AND TRIABLE TO TRY 
TO LET THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT 
THEIR CAPACITY NEEDS ARE. 
THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE ALREADY 
HAPPENED WITH ADMIRAL GIROR. 
CDC IS IN POSITION THAT WE 
REPROGRAM OUR INDIVIDUALS THAT 
WE HAVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY 
BEGIN TO HELP EACH OF THESE 
STATES. 
WE HAVE AUGMENTED THAT WITH 
ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL WE ARE 
BRINGING ON BOARD STATE BY 
STATE THROUGH OUR FOUNDATION. 
WE'VE PUT ABOUT $106 BILLION 
THAT THE CONGRESS HAS 
APPROPRIATED INTO THE STATES SO 
THEY CAN THINK ABOUT HOW THEY 
WANT TO HIRE CONTRACT TRACING 
CAPABILITY. 
AND THEN OF COURSE IT WAS 
MENTIONED THAT OTHER GOVERNMENT 
PROGRAMS. 
NOW EACH GROUP IS GOING TO 
CONSTRUCT THEIR CONTACT TRACING 
PIECE TO WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. 
I DO THINK IT WILL BE SIMILAR 
TO WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE 
SENATOR FROM  SOUTH CAROLINA. 
THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT 
INCREASES. 
THEY WILL INCREASE AGAIN. 
BUT THE POINT YOU BROUGHT UP IS 
ALSO IMPORTANT. 
AND WE FOUND THAT AS WE ALREADY 
STRUGGLED THROUGH THE 
REPATRIATION OF DIFFERENT 
AMERICANS AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
BE WE HAD TO PUT MANY IN 
QUARANTINE. 
BECAUSE MANY OF THE STATE AND 
LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS 
DEVELOPED THAT SYSTEM. 
WHERE DO THEY PUT SOMEBODY IN 
ISOLATION THAT IS HOMELESS? 
THIS HAS TO BE PART OF IT TOO. 
THERE IS CERTAIN CAPACITIES 
THAT IS INTRINSIC TO HOTELS AS 
YOU MENTIONED. 
I TAKE THE POINT THAT WAS MADE 
BY ONE OF THE SENATORS IS SO 
IMPORTANT. 
ABOUT INDIVIDUALS THAT 
PARTICULARLY THE MEAT PACKING 
INDIVIDUAL. 
THAT HAS TO GO HOME AND SELF-
ISOLATE. 
OR HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO HOME 
AND SELF-ISOLATE. 
THERE SEEMS TO BE MECHANISMS 
BROUGHT IN TO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE 
WAY TO IDENTIFY CASES AND THEN 
DOT APPROPRIATE PUBLIC HEALTH 
MEASURE. 
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE 
COMPREHENSIVE. 
IT WILL BE DEVELOPED ONE 
JURISDICTION AT A TIME. 
I SEE NO REASON WHY THESE ARE 
TRANSPARENT DOCUMENTS IF THEY 
GET COMPLETED. 
AND IT IS A ATTRIBUTE TO WHAT 
THE CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT HAS 
GIVEN. 
$1.6 BILLION GOT INTO THE 
STATE. 
AND RESOURCES WE HAVE GOTTEN. 
BUT IT IS FUNDAMENTAL. 
PEOPLE UNDER ESTIMATE HOW 
IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE HAVE A 
HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL COMPREHENSIVE 
AGGRESSIVE CONTACT PROGRAM SO 
THAT IN THE NEXT TO THIS 
OUTBREAK, WE HAVE CONTAINMENT. 
WE DON'T HAVE TO SWITCH 
MITIGATION. 
>>> DR. HAHN, IF YOU REMEMBER 
WHEN WE FIRST MET, I SAID IS 
THE FDA GOING TO BE MORE 
ENTREPRENEURIAL? 
KIND OF NOT BE AS STODGY 
TALKING THEN ABOUT HOW WE FIX 
THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN 
GENERAL. 
NOW THIS IS BROUGHT IT INTO 
CLEAR FOCUS. 
I'VE GOT A TIMELINE AND I'M 
GOING TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD. 
IT SHOWS FROM JANUARY 24th 
THROUGH MARCH 5th, AND I WANT 
TO EMPHASIZE WHAT SENATOR BURR 
ASKED EARLIER. 
HAS THE ADMINISTRATION EVER PUT 
AN IMPEDIMENT IN FRONT OF 
TRYING TO GET TO TESTING? 
AND DR. HAHN. 
THIS WILL END UP IN A QUESTION 
IN A MOMENT BUT THERE WAS A 
SPAN OF TIME FROM JANUARY 24th 
THROUGH MARCH 5th THAT YOU HOPE 
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LOOKS AT. 
AND IT GETS BACK TO WHAT'S 
WRONG WITH THE HEALTH CARE 
SYSTEM IN GENERAL. 
EARLY TESTING FROM WHAT I'M 
SEEING WAS CREATED BY THE FACT 
THAT THE CDC SAID IT WAS GOING 
TO DO ITS OWN TESTS. 
THE SOUTH TROJAN TEST THAT GETS 
CITED SO OFTEN WAS NOT GOING TO 
BE LOOKED AT. 
WE HAD TO DO OUR OWN. 
I KNOW THE FDA WORKED WITH THE 
CDC. 
BUT THE LONG AND SHORT OF ALL 
OF THIS IS THAT FOR NEARLY A 
MONTH, THIS WAS IN THAT 
BUREAUCRATIC SWIRL. 
THE FDA PREVENTED PRIVATE AND 
ACADEMIC DEVELOPMENT OF TESTS 
FOR WEEKS. 
THE CDC DECIDED -- DENIED 
ACCESS TO FUNCTIONING TESTS AS 
I CITED IN SOUTH KOREA. 
THIS CREATED THROUGH ALL THE 
RED TAPE, AND BUREAUCRACY, TO 
WHERE WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A 
ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH DUE 
TO THE UNCERTAINTY. 
OF THE VIRUS. 
AND WE ARE STUCK WITH THAT NOW. 
I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON THAT 
NECESSARILY. 
BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE 
MISTAKES THAT WE MADE. 
I'M TIRED OF HAVING IT HEARD 
THAT IT'S THE ADMINISTRATION'S 
FAULT. 
DR. HAHN, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU 
THIS QUESTION. 
IN THAT SPIRIT OF WHAT WE 
TALKED ABOUT DURING YOUR 
NOMINATION PROCESS. 
HERE GOING FORWARD, WILL WE SHED
SOME OF THAT STODGINESS AND 
WILL WE LOOK TO GET 
THERAPEUTICS AND VACCINES 
THROUGH THE SYSTEM IN A QUICKER 
METHOD? 
BECAUSE I FEAR IF WE DON'T, AND 
IF WE TREAT THROUGH BUREAUCRACY 
HOW WE DID THE EARLY PERIOD OF 
TESTING, WE CAN BE BELABOR THIS 
INTO THE DISTANT FUTURE AND AT 
THAT POINT THAT'S GOING TO BE 
NOT ONLY THE CARNAGE FROM THE 
DISEASE ITSELF, BUT FROM THE 
ECONOMY TO DEAL WITH. 
SO I'D LIKE YOUR COMMENT ON 
THAT ONE MONTH STRETCH. 
WHAT ACCOUNTABILITY THE FDA AND 
THE CDC HAVE AND THEN WHETHER 
IT LOOKS BETTER IN TERMS OF 
MOVING MORE QUICKLY INTO THE 
FUTURE. 
>> THANK YOU SENATOR FOR THE 
QUESTION. 
OUR TIMELINE OF THAT PERIOD 
DEMONSTRATES THAT WE BEGAN 
WORKING WITH TEST DEVELOPERS 
BEYOND CDC ON JANUARY 24th. 
AND HAD DOUBLE DIGIT NUMBER OF 
TEST DEVELOPERS WORKING WITH 
US. 
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE 
IDENTIFIED WAS IN FACT 
AVAILABILITY OF THE VIRUS IN 
OTHER SUPPLIES ACTUALLY GET 
THAT TEST DEVELOPMENT DONE IN A 
TIMELY FASHION. 
SENATOR, I COMPLETELY AGREE 
WITH YOU THAT THIS IS AN 
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE THE 
LOOK AND DETERMINE HOW WE CAN 
DO THINGS BETTER AND I THINK 
THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING 
FOR ALL OF US TO DO AND 
CERTAINLY THE FDA CAN PROMISE 
YOU TO DO THAT. 
LOOKING FORWARD, SIR, I CAN 
COMMIT TO YOU THAT WE WILL LOOK 
AT EVERY ONE OF THE REGULATORY 
AUTHORITIES AND HAVE DONE SO 
DURING THIS OUTBREAK. 
WE HAVE PROVIDED SIGNIFICANT 
FLEXIBILITY AND HAVE TRIED TO 
PROVIDE THE RIGHT BALANCE INTO 
REGULATORY FLEXIBILITY AND 
ENABLING OF THE GREAT TEST 
DEVELOPERS AND THERAPEUTIC 
DEVELOPERS IN THE COUNTRY WITH 
THE NEED TO ENSURE THAT OUR 
GOAL STANDARDS OF SAFETY NET IS 
ACHIEVED IN PLACE. 
WE HAVE LEANED IN WITH 
MANUFACTURERS AND WE'VE LEARNED 
A LOT FROM THEM AS WELL AS 
OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND WE WILL 
CONTINUE TO LEARN AND WE WILL I 
COMMIT TO YOU SIR, IMPLEMENT 
THE CHANGES THAT ARE NECESSARY 
TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ACT IN A 
MORE NIMBLE WAY AND STILL 
PROTECT THE SAFETY NET OF THE 
MEDICAL PRODUCTS. 
>> THANK YOU. 
DR. FAUCI, TAKING A PAGE FROM 
YOUR ANTI-AIDS PLAYBOOK, THIS 
IMPLEMENTED A FORMAL, CLEARLY 
DEFINED TREATMENT REVIEW 
PATHWAY, CAN WE DO THAT FOR 
COVID-19 IN A SIMILAR PARALLEL 
TRACK THAT YOU PUT INTO PLACE 
BACK THEN IN THE '90s? 
IN FACT, I'VE GOT A BILL CALLED 
THE PROMISING PATHWAYS ACT THAT 
IS BASED UPON THAT PROTOCOL YOU 
PUT INTO PLACE. 
CAN WE DO THAT MORE QUICKLY GET 
THROUGH TO THERAPEUTICS AND 
VACCINES HERE WITH COVID-19? 
>> WELL, IT'S A DIFFERENT 
STORY. 
BUT SOME SIMILARITIES. 
IF YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE 
PARALLEL TRACK THAT I PUT INTO 
PLACE BACK IN THE LATE '80s, 
WHICH WAS WHEN THERE WAS NO 
AVAILABILITY OF DRUGS AT ALL 
FOR HIV, AND WHEN WE WERE 
TESTING DRUGS WITHIN A PROTOCOL 
THAT WE WOULD MAKE IT AVAILABLE 
OUTSIDE OF THE PROTOCOL IN WHAT 
HAS ULTIMATELY TURNED OUT TO BE 
COMPASSIONATE USE, SO WHAT WE 
DID IS WE DIDN'T WANT TO 
INTERFERE WITH THE INTEGRITY OF 
THE PROTOCOL TO DETERMINE IN A 
CONTROLLED WAY WHAT WAS SAFE 
AND WHAT WAS EFFECTIVE. 
BUT THERE WAS A DIRE NEED FOR 
SOME SORT OF ACCESSIBILITY TO 
THE DRUGS OUTSIDE A CLINICAL 
TRIAL TO THOSE WHO MIGHT HAVE 
EVEN SOME CHANCE OF HAVING IT. 
IN SOME WAYS THAT WAS REALLY 
THE BIRTH OF THE CONCEPT OF 
COMPASSIONATE USE. 
AND IN FACT, THERE IS A VERSION 
OF THAT WHICH I'LL HAND OVER TO 
COMMISSIONER HAHN THAT IS YOU 
KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE EXPANDED 
ACCESS IN EMERGENCY USE 
AUTHORIZATIONS FOR DRUGS, THAT 
HAVE NOT YET BEEN FULLY PROVEN 
IN A CLINICAL TRIAL. 
SO THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF AN 
ANOLOGY IN SIMILARITY BETWEEN 
WHAT I DID IN THE 1980s AND 
WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE ON 
THE FDA NOW. 
SO STEVE, IF YOU MIGHT WANT TO 
COMMENT ON THAT.
>> I AGREE. 
>> THANK YOU SENATOR B ARUN. 
SENATOR ROSEN? 
>> HERE I AM. 
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN FOR 
BRINGING THIS HEARING AND I 
WANT TO THANK THE DEDICATED 
DOCTORS TODAY FOR THEIR 
LIFETIME OF WORK AND STUDY AND 
PASSION. 
WE ARE A GRATEFUL NATION FOR 
ALL OF YOUR LIFELONG COMMITMENT 
IN FIGHTING DISEASE AND NOT 
JUST THE UNITED STATES, BUT 
AROUND THE WORLD.
NEVADA, TRAVEL AND TOURISM OF 
COURSE THE LIFE BLOOD FOR US 
AND THE JOBS ASSOCIATED WITH 
THE INDUSTRIES CAN ONLY FULLY 
COMEBACK IF WE KNOW IT'S SAFE 
TO TRAVEL AND VISIT AND OUR 
WORK AND HOTELS AND CASINOS  
AND RESTAURANTS AND AIL 
TRACTIONS. 
ULTIMATELY, MAKE THIS HAPPEN, 
WE HAVE TO FEEL CONFIDENCE IN 
OUR VISITORS' SAFE AND QUESTION 
NEED A VACCINE AND THAT 
RESEARCH IS EXTREMELY 
IMPORTANT. 
HOWEVER, UNDERSTANDING THAT 
THIS TAKES TIME TO DEVELOP AND 
ENSURE BOTH SAFETY AND EFFICACY 
I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT 
WHAT RESEARCH IS HAPPENING 
REGARDING PREVENTATIVE 
MEDICATION RESEARCH THAT COULD 
BE HELPFUL IN THE TIME FRAME 
BEFORE A VACCINE. 
AND ESPECIALLY BEFORE ONE IS 
WIDELY AVAILABLE. 
I'D LIKE TO ASK IN IF THIS 
COULD BE PART OF A PATH TO HELP 
US BEGIN TO REOPENING THE 
ECONOMY SAFERY. 
DR. FAUCI, WHAT RESEARCH IS 
CURRENTLY HAPPENING TO IDENTIFY 
POTENTIAL MONOCLONEAL 
TREATMENTS OR THERAPEUTICS? 
IF THE RIGHT ANTIBODY CAN BE 
IDENTIFIED. 
COULD THIS BE USED AS A 
PREVENTATIVE MEDICATION? 
MUCH LIKE THE TREATMENTS FOR 
ROYAL TIDE AFTERTOYOTA AND 
OTHER OTHER DISEASES AND 
SECONDLY WOULD AN OCEAN LIKE 
THIS HELP COMPLEMENT THE 
EFFECTIVENESS OF A VACCINE ONCE 
IT'S AVAILABLE? 
>> YES. 
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION 
SENATOR ROSEN. 
THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. 
AND IN ALOOF THE THERAPEUTIC 
INTERVENTIONS THAT WE ARE 
RESEARCHING AND I MENTIONED 
SEVERAL OF THEM. 
THEY COULD BE DIFFERENT 
ANTIVIRALS ALONG THE LINES OF 
REMDESIVIR BUT THAT'S JUST ONE 
OF A NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES. 
THERE ARE SEVERAL VIRAL TARGETS 
AND REPLICATIONS LIKE. 
USING CONVALESCENT PLASMA AS 
WELL AS ANTIBODIES IN A 
PREVENTATIVE MODALITY ARE IN 
FACT ALL FEASIBLE AND WILL BE 
PURSUED IN PARALLEL WITH THE 
DEVELOPMENT OF A VACCINE. 
THE MODEL OF USING DRUGS AND 
OTHER INTERVENTIONS THAT ARE 
EFFECTIVE FOR TREATMENT IS 
REALLY A GREAT SUCCESS STORY IN 
THE ISSUE WITH HIV/AIDS. 
BECAUSE MANY OF THE 
INTERVENTIONS THAT WERE 
DEVELOPED FOR THE FULL 
TREATMENT OF AN AFFECTED PERSON 
ARE EXQUISITELY EFFECTIVE IN 
PREVENTING HIV. 
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF MODEL 
THAT WE WORK OUT IN PARALLEL 
WITH TREATMENTS FOR DISEASE, 
IT'S THE USING AS TREATMENT AS 
PREVENTION. 
I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE A PART 
OF OUR EFFORTS AT THE SAME TIME 
AS WE'RE PUTTING A FULL-COURT 
PRESS ON TRYING TO GET A 
VACCINE. 
SO IT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, 
VERY RELEVANT. 
>> JUST GOING TO KIND OF 
ABBREVIATE THIS. 
THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT 
QUESTION THAT I GET NOT JUST 
FROM THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND 
PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT WORK. 
BUT GENERALLY WHAT DOES THE 
NEXT GENERATION OF PPE NEED TO 
LOOK LIKE FOR ALL OF US AS WE 
GO ABOUT OUR LIVES? 
AS ALL OF US. 
GET ON THE AIRPLANE AND SHOP 
AND EAT. 
SHOULD MASKS BE MADE OF A 
CERTAIN MATERIAL? 
GLOVES, ARE HANDKERCHIEFS 
EFFECTIVE? 
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT PPE FOR THE 
GENERAL PUBLIC? 
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE BEST PPE 
FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC IF 
POSSIBLE RIGHT  
MAINTAIN THE PHYSICAL AND 
SOCIAL DISTANCING. 
BUT AS WE'VE SAID AND I THINK 
ALL OF US WOULD AGREE, THERE 
ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES IN 
WHICH IT IS BEYOND YOUR COD 
WHEN YOU NEED TO DO NECESSARY 
THINGS LIKE GO TO THE DRUGSTORE 
AND GET THE MEDICATION AND GO 
TO THE GROCERY STORE AND GET 
YOUR FOOD. 
THAT IN FACT YOU NEED SOME 
SUPPLEMENTATION THAN JUST 
SOCIAL DISTANCING. 
THAT'S THE REASON WHY SOME TIME 
AGO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS 
MADE. 
I WAS IT WAS DR. REDFIELD AT 
THE CDC WHO SAID THAT. 
ABOUT GET SOME SORT OF 
COVERING. 
WE DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A MASK 
BECAUSE BACK THEN WE WERE 
CONCERNED WE WOULD BE TAKING 
MASKS AWAY FROM THE HEALTH CARE 
WORKERS. 
BUT SOME SORT OF FACE COVERING 
I THINK FOR THE TIME BEING 
SHOULD BE A VERY REGULAR PART 
OF HOW WE PREVENT THE SPREAD OF 
INFECTION AND IN FACT THE MORE 
AND MORE AS YOU GO OUTSIDE, 
RIGHT HERE IN WHERE I'M SITTING 
IN WASHINGTON, D.C., YOU CAN IS 
A MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH 
MASKS ON. 
WHICH GIVES ME SOME DEGREE OF 
COMFORT THAT PEOPLE ARE TAKING 
THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. 
>> THANK YOU. 
>> HOUSTON DEROSEN. 
SENATOR LEFFLER. 
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE 
AND FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
ADMIRAL GIROIR I WANT TO 
RECOGNIZE YOUR NEW ROLE AS THE 
U.S. REPRESENTATIVE TO THE 
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION. 
MITIGATING A RESURGENCE OF THIS 
PANDEMIC WILL TAKE GLOBAL 
COOPERATION. 
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED 
ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY 
AT THE W. H. O.. 
THIS ORGANIZATION WAS 
ESTABLISHED TO ENSURE THE 
TIMELY FLOW OF ACCURATE, 
UNBIASED INFORMATION ON GLOBAL 
HEALTH EMERGENCIES JUST AS 
THIS. 
REFORMS MUST BE MADE IN ORDER 
TO RESTORE THE TRUST THAT WE 
NEED HERE. 
I HOPE YOU WILL WORK WITH OUR 
ALLIES TO PUSH FOR THE REFORMS. 
THIS QUESTION -- I HAVE TWO 
QUESTIONS. 
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR DR. 
REDFIELD. 
AND DR. REDFIELD, GEORGIANS ARE 
WONDERING HOW WE GOT HERE 
TODAY? 
1400 DEATHS. 
A THIRD OF GEORGIA'S WORK FORCE 
OUT OF WORK. 
I'M INCREDIBLY CONCERNED ABOUT 
THE COVER-UP AND THISTHE 
MISUNLESS COMING FROM CHINA AND 
THEIR EFFORTS TO SUPPRESS LIFE-
SAVING INFORMATION AT THE 
OUTSET OF THIS OUTBREAK. 
AS WE CONTINUE TO REOPEN OUR 
ECONOMY SAFELY, WE HAVE TO TAKE 
STEPS TO ENSURE THAT ANOTHER 
OUTBREAK CANNOT TAKE HOLD OF 
THE WORLD IN THIS WAY. 
I UNDERSTAND CDC IS WORKED WITH 
THE CHINESE CDC ON GLOBAL 
HEALTH SECURITY FOR DECADES. 
CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE LEVEL 
AND THE TIMING OF THE 
INFORMATION THAT YOU RECEIVED 
AND RELIED UPON FROM YOUR 
CHINESE COUNTERPARTS AS THIS 
VIRUS EMERGED? 
>> WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH 
SENATOR, AND I WANT TO ECHO HOW 
IMPORTANT GLOBAL HEALTH 
SECURITY IS AS A NATIONAL 
SECURITY PRIORITY FOR IN 
NATION. 
AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE 
ABLE TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO 
THAT AS LONG AS WE ARE A 
NATION. 
CDC HAS HAD RELATIONSHIPS WITH 
THESE COUNTRIES AROUND THE 
WORLD. 
WE HAVE OFFICES IN OVER 45 
COUNTRIES RIGHT NOW. 
OF PEOPLE AND OVER 60 COUNTRIES 
AND ONE OF THOSE HAPPENS TO BE 
CHINA WHERE WE HAVE A U.S. CDC 
THAT'S WITH THE CHINESE CDC. 
WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER FOR 
DECADES. 
PARTICULARLY ON INFLUENZA AND 
EMERGING INFECTIOUS DISEASES. 
AND THAT HAS BEEN A VERY 
PRODUCTIVE COLLABORATIVE 
SCIENTIFIC INTERACTION. 
WHEN THIS ORIGINAL OUTBREAK OF 
PNEUMONIA AND UNKNOWN IDEOLOGY 
CAME FROM THE ORIGINAL SEAFOOD 
MARKET, WE WERE OBVIOUSLY 
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE U.S. 
PERSONNEL THAT WAS 
COLLABORATING WITH THE CHINESE 
CDC. 
AND I PERSONALLY HAD 
DISCUSSIONS AS EARLY I THINK 
CDC DID, AS SOON AS JANUARY -- 
AND MYSELF, JANUARY 3rd. 
WITH THE COUNTERPARTS TO 
DISCUSS THIS. 
AT A SCIENTIFIC LEVEL WE HAD 
VERY GOOD INTERACTIONS. 
I THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN 
THE BROADER CHINESE GOVERNMENT 
LEVEL. 
>> THANK YOU DR. REDFIELD. 
I HAVE A FINAL QUESTION FOR 
EACH OF OUR GREAT WITNESSES 
TODAY. 
AND IT'S ONE THAT MY 
CONSTITUENTS OFTEN ASK ME. 
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND INDEED 
SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES IN THE 
SENATE SEEM TO WANT TO PAINT 
EACH OF YOUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH 
OUR PRESIDENT DURING THIS 
WARTIME EFFORT AS 
CONFRONTATIONAL AND LACKING 
CONSENSUS. 
CAN YOU CATEGORICALLY SAY HERE 
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT 
WHETHER THIS IS TRUE OR UNTRUE, 
FROM YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY, I 
HAVE SEEN A VERY COORDINATED 
EFFORT TO ADDRESS THIS WITH THE 
ADMINISTRATION TO COMBAT THIS 
PANDEMIC. 
CAN YOU G ME A SENSE OF WHAT 
THE CHARACTERIZATION -- WHETHER 
IT'S TRUE OR UNTRUE? 
THANK YOU. 
AND I'D ASK DR. FAUCI TO ANSWER 
THAT FIRST. 
>> YES, NO, THERE'S CERTAINLY 
NOT A CONFRONTATIONAL 
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ME AND THE 
PRESIDENT. 
AS I MENTIONED MANY TIMES, GIVE 
ADVICE AND OPINION BASED ON 
EVIDENCE BASED SCIENTIFIC 
INFORMATION. 
HE HEARS THAT. 
HE RESPECTS IT. 
HE GETS OPINIONS FROM A VARIETY 
OF OTHER PEOPLE. 
BUT IN NO WAY IN MY EXPERIENCE 
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS 
HAS THERE BEEN ANY 
CONFRONTATIONAL RELATIONSHIP 
BETWEEN US. 
>> THANK YOU. 
DR. REDFIELD? 
DR. HAHN? 
>> AGAIN, I WOULD ECHO WHAT DR. 
FAUCI SAID. 
WE'RE THERE TO GIVE OUR BEST 
PUBLIC HEALTH ADVICE. 
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
IT'S SHROUDED IN DATA AND 
SCIENCE. 
AND I'VE ALWAYS FELT FREE TO 
GIVE THE BEST PUBLIC HEALTH 
ADVICE THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE 
GIVEN AT THE TIME. 
AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE IN A 
VERY PROFESSIONAL WAY. 
>> SENATOR LEFFLER, THIS IS 
STEVE HAHN. 
I DO NOT HAVE A CONFRONTATIONAL 
RELATIONSHIP. 
HAVE NOT HAD A CONFRONTATIONAL 
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 
PRESIDENT. 
HE ASKS QUESTIONS AND I HAVE 
GIVEN HIM MY HONEST ANSWERS 
ROOTED IN DATA AND SCIENCE AND 
HE IS LISTENING RESPECTFULLY TO 
THOSE INCORPORATING THAT INTO 
TASE DECISION MAKING. 
>> AND BRETT, I HAVE NOTHING 
ELSE BUT TO ECHO MY COLLEAGUES. 
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER. 
ALL THE SCIENTIST, ALL THE 
PHYSICIANS. 
OF COURSE AMBASSADOR BIRX. 
OTHER SCIENTISTS WITHIN OUR 
GROUP. 
WE HAVE A VERY PRODUCTIVE 
WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH 
OTHER. 
AND ALSO WITH THE PRESIDENT AND 
VICE PRESIDENT. 
IT WOULD NOT BE CONFRONTATIONAL 
AND I CERTAINLY FEEL THAT WE 
HAVE THE ABILITY TO HONESTLY 
STATE OUR OPINIONS AND 
RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT WAY 
SINCE THE BEGINNING. 
>> THANK YOU SENATOR LEFFLER. 
SENATOR MURRAY, DO YOU HAVE 
CLOSING EXEMPTS? 
>> I DO. 
I HAVE A COUPLE OF -- TWO QUICK 
QUESTIONS. 
>> SURE. 
>> WELL, THANK YOU. 
YOU KNOW, DR. FAUCI, WELL, 
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CLAIMED 
OTHERWISE, THERE'S NO QUESTION 
THAT ESSENTIAL PART OF 
REOPENING OUR ECONOMY SAFELY IS 
SUCCESSFULLY DEVELOPING AND 
DISTRIBUTING A VACCINE FOR 
COVID-19. 
WE NEED TO PLAN NOW TO DEPLOY A 
VACCINE ONCE IT'S PROVEN SAFE 
AND EFFECTIVE. 
BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL 
THE SCIENCE PROCESS FROM THE 
CLINICAL TRIALS TO DISTRIBUTION 
AND ADMINISTRATION, RECOGNIZES 
AND ADDRESSES RACIAL AND ETHNIC 
DISPARITIES IN OUR HEALTH CARE 
SYSTEMS THAT WE ALL KNOW FOR 
TOO LONG HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED 
AND UNRESOLVED IN THIS COUNTRY. 
AND WE HAVE TO ENSURE EQUITABLE 
ACCESS TO THIS VACCINE FOR 
EVERYONE. 
DR. FAUCI, LET ME START WITH 
YOU. 
WHAT STEPS IS NIH TAKING TO 
MAKE SURE THAT CLINICAL TRIALS 
FOR COVID-19 VACCINES AND 
THERAPEUTICS ACCOUNT FOR RACIAL 
AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES? 
>> Y. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
THAT'S A VERY RELEVANT QUESTION 
SENATOR MURRAY AND IN FACT IN 
THE DESIGN OF THE CLINICAL 
TRIALS AND THE SITES WE HAVE 
CHOSEN IN OUR TRIAL NETWORK AND 
GOING TO BE VERY REPRESENTATIVE 
OF BEING ABLE TO GET MINORITY 
POPULATIONS AND POPULATIONS AT 
MOST RISK TO BE PART OF THE 
TRIAL SO THAT WE KNOW DURING 
THE TRIAL, WHAT THE RELATIVE 
EFFICACY AS WELL AS POTENTIAL 
ADVERSE EVENTS. 
IT'S SOMETHING WE STARTED BACK 
IN THE DAYS OF HIV. 
WHEN WE TRIED TO GET GOOD 
DEMOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION AND 
WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT WITH 
THESE TOO. 
THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU. 
AND DR. HAHN, TELL ME WHAT 
STEPS FDA IS TAKING NOW TO MAKE 
SURE THE UNITED STATES IS 
PREPARED TO PRODUCE A 
SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF VACCINES 
INCLUDING THE NECESSARY 
MANUFACTURING, THE SUPPLY CHAIN 
CAPACITY, FOR SUPPLIES LIKE 
VIALS AND STOPPERS AND 
SYRINGES. 
>> THANK YOU SENATOR. 
THIS IS AN EFFORT THAT STARTED 
AS OF PARTNERSHIP WITH THE 
VACCINE DEVELOPERS AND THE NIH 
IN THEIR EFFORTS. 
SO ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT 
THINGS MA'AM, HAS BEEN THE 
STATIC TRANSPARENCY, SHARING OF 
DATA BOTH OF THE AGENCY AND NIH 
AND WITH THE MANUFACTURERS. 
SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE 
CAPACITIES ARE. 
WHAT THE NEEDS ARE FROM THE 
SUPPLY CHAIN. 
AND THEN HOW TO ACTUALLY SHARE 
THAT SO THAT IF ONE 
MANUFACTURED VACCINE DOESN'T GO 
FORWARD, WE CAN USE THE 
CAPACITY OF THAT MANUFACTURER 
FOR ANOTHER MANUFACTURER'S 
VACCINE AND WE'RE HAVE BEEN 
HAPPY TO REPORT THE WORK HAS 
LED TO THAT SORT OF EFFORT. 
WE'VE DEVELOPED AS I MENTIONED 
BEFORE THE GANT CHART THAT 
DESCRIBES ALL THE STEPS WITH 
VACCINATION INCLUDING THE 
SUPPLIES YOU DESCRIBED. 
WE MAY VERY WELL HAVE FIVE IN 
SEVENTH VACCINES BUT WE'VE BEEN 
UP FRONT IDENTIFYING THE 
SUPPLIES AND WORKING WITH THE 
MANUFACTURERS TO MAKE SURE 
THEY'RE AVAILABLE. 
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU AND 
THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE 
WITNESSES FOR JOINING US TODAY. 
IT'S REALLY CLEAR TO ME THAT WE 
HAVE MORE WORK TO DO BEFORE WE 
CAN SAFELY GET BACK TO WORK AND 
SCHOOL AND SOME SEMBLANCE OF 
NORMAL LIFE IN OUR COUNTRY. 
WE STILL NEED TESTING TO BE 
FAST, FREE AND EVERYWHERE AND 
WE NEED THE WHITE HOUSE TO LAY 
OUT A DETAILED, NATIONAL PLAN 
TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
WE STILL NEED ADEQUATE PERSONAL 
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT BOTH FOR 
THE HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND 
WORKERS AT BUSINESSES AND 
SCHOOLS WHEN THE TIME COMES. 
WE STILL NEED GUIDANCE FROM THE 
EXPERTS SO OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE 
THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO 
REOPEN SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES 
SAFELY, CONFIDENTLY, AND 
COMPLETE COMPETENTLY. 
AND SO PUBLIC HEALTH WORKERS 
AND HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS HAVE 
THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO 
KEEP THEIR PATIENTS AND 
COMMUNITIES SAFE. 
AND WHILE EXPERTS HAVE BEEN 
CLEAR THAT THE DAY WE CAN 
SAFELY REOPEN MAY BE A WAYS 
OFF, THERE'S PLENTY FOR US TO 
DO IN THE MEANTIME. 
BOTH TO PLAN AHEAD FOR EXAMPLE 
TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE WE HAVE 
A SAFE EFFECTIVE VACCINE, WE 
CAN PRODUCE AND DISTRIBUTE IT 
TO EVERYONE QUICKLY. 
EQUITABLY AND NO COST. 
AND TO ADDRESS THE IMMEDIATE 
CHALLENGES. 
FOR EXAMPLE MAKING THREW THERE 
ARE APPROPRIATE MENTAL HEALTH 
RESOURCES FOR EVERYONE WHO IS 
COPING WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT 
ARE PRESENTED BY THE VIRUS. 
LOSS OF INCOME TO THE TRAUMA 
AND ANXIETY OF PATIENTS AND 
WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE 
FRONT LINES. 
KEEP PRESSING CONGRESS AND THE 
WHITE HOUSE FOR ACTION AND 
LEADERSHIP THAT OUR COMMUNITIES 
NEED. 
AND I HOPE MR. CHAIRMAN THAT 
WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THE 
OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS TO HEAR 
DIRECTLY FROM THE EXPERTS AND 
ASK PRESSING QUESTIONS ABOUT 
HOW TO GET OUR COUNTRY THROUGH 
THIS CRISIS. 
IT'S CLEAR WE'VE GOT A LOT 
FURTHER TO GO AND A LOT MORE TO 
DO. 
AND SO I HOPE IF OUR EFFORTS 
CONTINUE WE CAN BRING MANY OF 
YOU BACK. 
OUR WITNESSES FOR ANOTHER 
HEARING SOON AND AGAIN, THANK 
YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR JOINING 
US TODAY. 
>> THANK YOU SENATOR MURRAY. 
I'VE GOT A CLARIFICATION 
QUESTION AND A COUPLE OF QUICK 
COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL THANK 
THE WITNESSES AND WIND UP THE 
HEARING. 
MY CLARIFICATION IS THAT I WANT 
TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T CREATE 
SOME CONFUSION BY THE WAY I 
ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT GOING 
BACK TO SCHOOL. 
I ASKED DR. FAUCI FIRST ABOUT 
TREATMENTS AND VACCINES AND 
ADMIRAL GIROIR SECOND ABOUT 
TESTING. 
BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD WAS THAT 
DR. FAUCI SAID THAT VACCINES 
ARE COMING AS FAST AS THEY EVER 
HAVE BUT IT WILL BE LATER IN 
THE YEAR AT THE EARLIEST BEFORE 
WE SEE THAT. 
BUT THERE'S SOME TREATMENTS 
THAT HAVE -- THAT ARE MODEST 
BUT THEY'RE PROMISING. 
THERE COULD BE MORE. 
BUT THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU 
SHOULDN'T GO BACK TO SCHOOL. 
THAT -- THAT WOULD BE MORE FOR 
A TESTING STRATEGY. 
AM I RIGHT DR. FAUCI? 
YOU DIDN'T SAY YOU SHOULDN'T GO 
BACK TO SCHOOL BECAUSE WE WON'T 
HAVE VACCINES BY THE FALL. 
>> NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT MR. 
CHAIRMAN. 
WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS THAT 
GOING BACK TO SCHOOL WOULD BE 
MORE IN THE REALM OF KNOWING 
THE LANDSCAPE OF INFECTION WITH 
REGARD TO TESTING AND AS 
ADMIRAL GIROIR SAID IF WE 
DEPEND ON THE DYNAMICS OF THE 
OUTBREAK IN THE REGION WHERE 
THE SCHOOL IS. 
BUT I DIDN'T MEAN TO IMPLY AT 
ALL BETWEEN OUR AVAILABILITY TO 
GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND THE 
VACCINE. 
YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT. 
>> WHAT I HEARD FROM ADMIRAL 
GIROIR WAS THAT YOU ARE RAMPING 
UP CURRENT TECHNOLOGIES. 
YOU ARE HOPEFUL FOR DR. 
COLLINS' SHARK TANK AND THE 
NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH 
BUT IN ANY EVENT, YOU WOULD 
EXPECT TO HAVE THE CAPACITY IN 
THE FALL OF 40 TO 50 MILLION 
TESTS A MONTH. 
AND THAT OUGHT TO BE ADEQUATE 
FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL OR EVEN 
THE CHANCELLOR OF A CAMPUS TO 
DESIGN A TESTING STRATEGY THAT 
COULD PROVIDE FOR EXAMPLE AN 
ANTIGEN QUICK TEST TO SCREEN 
ALL THE STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOL 
IF NECESSARY. 
IS THAT CORRECT? 
>> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE AS 
MANY TESTS AVAILABLE AS 
ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. 
WHAT I SAID IS WHAT I FEEL 
COMFORTABLE WITH, KNOWING THE 
PRODUCTION SCHEDULES, BEING IN 
THE POSITION OF BEING ABLE TO 
WORK WITH THE FDA AND CDC. 
THAT WE SHOULD HAVE 40 TO 50 -- 
WE WILL HAVE 40 TO 50 MILLION 
TESTS AVAILABLE PER MONTH THAT 
NEED TO BE DEPLOYED IN A SMART, 
STRATEGIC WAY. 
DEPENDING ON THE DYNAMICS YOU 
KNOW IN THAT AREA IN THAT 
REGION. 
STILL, HAVING TESTING EVEN 
WIDELY DOES NOT NULLIFY THE 
NEED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 
TO CHANGE OUR PRACTICES IN 
TERMS OF SANITATION AND 
PERSONAL CLEANLINESS AND 
DISTANCING AND FACE MASKS. 
THINGS LUKE THAT GIVEN WHAT THE 
DYNAMICS COULD BE. 
>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THOSE 
COMMENTS. 
BECAUSE GIVEN THE -- GIVEN THAT 
NUMBER OF TESTS THAT WILL BE 
AVAILABLE IN SAY THREE MONTHS, 
OR AS WE RAMP UP TO THAT 
NUMBER, THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, 
THAT SHOULD GIVE EVERY 
PRINCIPAL AND EVERY CHANCELLOR 
OF EVERY COLLEGE CAMPUS AND 
AGAIN, WE HAVE ABOUT 5,000 
CAMPUSES AND 100,000 SCHOOLS, 
SOME REASSURANCE THAT TESTING 
AS WELL AS THE COMMON SENSE 
HYGIENE PRACTICES YOU TALKED 
ABOUT COULD BE USED TO DEVELOP 
A STRATEGY FOR REOPENING SCHOOL 
FOR SCHOOL IN AUGUST. 
TWO QUICK COMMENTS. 
ONE IS, SENATOR MURRAY TALKED 
ABOUT THE NATIONAL PLAN WHICH 
WAS IN THE LEGISLATION THAT WE 
OLIVETTED FOR. 
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PUSH 
AND TUG BETWEEN WHAT'S NATIONAL 
AND WHAT'S FEDERAL. 
WHAT WASHINGTON SHOULD DO AND 
WHAT THE STATES SHOULD DO. 
I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT'S A 
MISTAKE TO SAY FEDERAL EQUALS 
NATIONAL. 
IN OTHER WORDS, COVID-19'S 
CLEARLY A NATIONAL PROBLEM. 
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED 
TO DO EVERYTHING. 
FOR EXAMPLE, IN TESTING. 
THE LAW ACTUALLY REQUIRES 
STATES TELL YOU ADMIRAL GIROIR, 
WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE. 
WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. 
AND THEN YOU SAID THAT DURING 
THE MONTH OF MAY, YOU HAD A 
SERIES OF STATE PLANS THAT 
IDENTIFIED 12.5 MILLION TESTS 
AND YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD HELP 
MEET THAT. 
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE 
ALSO NOTICED DEFICIENCY IN THE 
MARKETPLACE FOR SOME SUPPLIES 
SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS 
BUYING THOSE AND ALLOCATING 
THEM TO THE STATES. 
SO WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN A 
SITUATION WHERE ADMIRAL GIROIR 
IS TELLING ALL THE STATES WHAT 
TO DO AND GOVERNOR LEE IN 
TENNESSEE DOESN'T REALLY WANT 
YOU TO TELL HIM WHAT TO DO. 
HE WANTS TO TELL YOU WHAT HE'S 
DOING. 
AND LET YOU COMMENT ON IT. 
I DON'T THINK GOVERNOR CUOMO 
WANTS PRESIDENT TRUMP TELLING 
HIM WHAT TO DO. 
SO A PUSH AND TUG BETWEEN WHAT 
WASHINGTON DOES AND WHAT THE 
STATES DO. 
I THINK WE HAVE A TESTING 
CONTACT TRACING, ISOLATING 
NATIONAL STRATEGY AND PLAN LED 
BY THE GOVERNORS, DESIGNED BY 
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS A 
NATIONAL EFFORT AND THEN THE 
NATIONAL EFFORT CLEARLY IS TO 
DO THE RESEARCH AND THE 
TREATMENTS AND THE VACCINES 
WHERE WE'VE HEARD TODAY IS 
THAT'S COMING ALONG ON A FASTER 
TRACK THAN WE'VE EVER SEEN 
BEFORE. 
FINALLY, I WANT TO REITERATE -- 
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A VERY 
HELPFUL HEARING AND I THANK THE 
SENATORS FOR THEIR QUESTIONS 
AND I THINK ANYBODY WHO TOOK 
THE TIME TO WATCH ONE IMPRESSED 
BY THE DIVERSITY OF OPINION. 
AND THE HONEST ANSWERS WE'VE 
GOT FROM FOUR REALLY REMARKABLE 
EXPERTS WHO ARE IN THE MIDST OF 
THIS EVERY DAY. 
I WANT TO REEMPHASIZE WHAT I 
SAID EARLIER. 
THAT I INTEND TO MAKE SURE THAT 
WE FOCUS, SENATOR MURRAY 
SUGGESTED WE NEED TO HAVE MORE 
HEARINGS. 
I AGREE WITH HER. 
AND AS WE DEAL WITH THIS 
PANDEMIC, WITH NEED TO MAKE 
SURE WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT 
ONE. 
WHAT CAN WE LEARN ABOUT FASTER 
TREATMENTS AND VACCINES FOR THE 
NEXT ONE? 
WHAT CAN WE LEARN ABOUT THE 
STOCKPILE -- WHO OUGHT TO BE IN 
IT AND WHO OUGHT TO MANAGE IT 
FOR THE NEXT ONE? 
WHAT CAN WE LEARN? 
CAN WE LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT 
HAVING HOSPITAL BEDS SO WE 
DON'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN 
HOSPITALS AND BANKRUPT THEM AND 
-- CLEAR PATIENTS OUT IN ORDER 
TO CREATE BEDS FOR SICK PEOPLE 
FROM THE PANDEMIC. 
WHAT ABOUT STATES AND HOSPITALS 
THAT SELL OFF THEIR PPE IN-
BETWEEN PANDEMICS? 
KEEP OUR FOCUS IN-BETWEEN 
PANDEMICS WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY 
IMPORTANT THINGS WE WORRY ABOUT 
IN THIS COUNTRY. 
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE IN 
CONGRESS SUSTAIN AND FUND ALL 
OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO 
DO? 
SO AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT 
WE DO THAT THIS YEAR. 
I MEAN, OUR COLLECTIVE MEMORY 
IS SHORT. 
WHILE WE'RE ALL WORRIED ABOUT 
THAT. 
NOT TOMORROW DEAL WITH THE 
CRISIS BUT GET READY FOR THE 
NEXT ONE. 
I THANK THE WITNESSES FOR THEIR 
EXTRA TIME. 
I HOPE THEY GET A SENSE THAT 
OUR JOB, WE SEE, IS TO CREATE 
AN ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH YOU CAN 
SUCCEED BECAUSE IF YOU SUCCEED, 
OUR COUNTRY SUCCEEDS. 
WHICH IS WHAT WE -- DESPERATELY 
WANT. 
THE HEARING RECORD WILL REMAN 
OPEN FOR TEN DAYS. 
MEMBERS MAY SUBMIT ADDITIONAL 
INFORMATION FOR THE RECORD 
WITHIN THAT TIME IF THEY WOULD 
LIKE. 
THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR BEING 
HERE TODAY. 
THE HEARING IS ADJOURNED. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. 
CHAIRMAN. 
THANK YOU SENATOR MURRAY. 
APPRECIATE IT. 
