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>> ROBOTIC VOICE: The basics of Parkour.
>> We are here at Lache Movement Company.
I have never seen Murphy more excited
for an episode of the Modern Rogue.
>> I am very excited to
leap off of something
and shatter both of my ankles
and then go into cardiac arrest.
[all laughing]
>> We're meeting Dmitri and Eric,
tell me about Lache Movement Company.
>> Lache Movement Co. is a movement studio
where we have everything from
silks to pole fitness,
gymnastics, parkour.
>> This whole thing is a giant playground.
>> Exactly, adult playground,
that's what we got here.
>> How did you guys get into parkour?
>> Ever since I was a kid,
been jumping off of things
and wanted to be a stuntman.
Then in college, I started
seeing these videos
of guys doing crazy things,
and that's when I discovered parkour,
and realized that a while
there's like a right way
to do all of these things.
>> Well, that was the interesting thing,
before we started, you were mentioning
that in many ways, you start off
knowing parkour as kids.
And then it's like you've
learned to forget it as an adult.
>> But what you're telling me though is
you don't have a degree or
a certification in parkour?
[all laughing]
Okay, Dmitri, how did
you get into parkour?
>> So first I did all the
sports in high school.
Basketball, football,
diving, all these things.
>> Same.
>> I didn't want to-
>> [laughing]
>> It's not true
>> Go ahead.
>> Yes, he's laughing.
>> But I didn't like those scoring aspect
and parkour is a little
bit more of an art.
You get to express
yourself a little bit more.
Then I picked it up about 11 years ago.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> All right, I've got a question, Dmitri.
What is the difference between
parkour and free running?
>> Parkour is more about efficiency.
So you'll use parkour to
maybe get over a wall,
or get over an object if you're
getting chased by somebody
or chasing somebody.
>> Free running is more about being showy,
and doing more tricks and
it's really not about,
getting from point A
to point B the fastest.
It's about how can you throw in your style
and do really impressive stuff.
>> Okay, so it's more like
skateboard free styling.
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> Yep.
>> It's more about tricks.
>> I think we're going to
focus on not breaking anything.
>> Yeah, so speaking of which--
>> Good place to start
>> Yeah well that's my
question, where do we start?
>> Well we're going to start with
how to lance and how to roll.
>> Okay, let's go.
>> Let's do it.
>> All right.
So the most fundamental thing in parkour
is learning how to fall.
So we've got Ken here.
He's going to show us first
how to, we want to lance
and yeah it's like in
a deep squat position,
nice shallow bend in the knee.
And we want to try and keep
our heels up off the ground,
on our tippy toes.
Yeah, so that's how we're going to absorb
all the impacts of that
fall into our legs.
Because those are our
strong muscles, right?
So go ahead and hop down
into a nice landing position.
Yeah, nice.
>> I feel like I can do this.
>> I don't know, Brian.
[all laughing]
>> Number one, he wasn't
afraid to get more height.
>> You don't have to do that.
You guys can just step off.
>> But even then, how afraid
of height should you be?
Is it a case where if your
legs are strong enough,
you'll be able to absorb the impact?
>> Absolutely, yeah.
>> If you follow Eric's instructions.
>> Yeah, it's a combination
of strength and technique.
I recommend that you start small
and then build up your height
as you get more confident in your form.
>> Okay, one thing I
noticed in how he landed,
his feet were pretty close together.
Is there any guidance on that?
Like, wide stance or?
>> About shoulder width
is your strongest base.
>> I'm going to do it.
Just feel free to tell me
how wrong I am on everything.
So it seems like just.
[thudding]
Was that... that was not very stable.
I couldn't even stop without
having to hop forward again.
>> Yeah, yeah.
So you had a little extra forward momentum
when you landed.
Just try and keep your
shoulders over your hips more.
You had a little bit
of a lean in your jump.
>> Okay, okay.
[thudding]
>> There you go, yeah.
And so another thing
we shoot for in parkour
is being really quiet.
Because if you're quiet,
that means you're efficiently
absorbing the impact
with your muscles.
So I noticed you made a big sound
when you came down.
>> BRIAN: I did.
>> Which meant a lot of impact.
>> BRIAN: High impact.
>> If you didn't have these springs here,
that could have resulted in
some ankle issues or something.
That's what we want to avoid so,
get the form down here so
we can take it higher up.
>> Okay.
[grunting]
>> ERIC: Yes see you had
the forward momentum, right?
>> You're not afraid to
get some height there.
>> ERIC: Makes it tougher,
all right, here we go.
Nice.
>> Was that quiet?
>> Yeah.
>> Very.
>> [laughing]
Wrong, man, again.
>> You're kind of flapping your arms
a little bit in the air.
>> BRIAN: Great.
>> Yeah, so the arms
really help with stability.
So keep them out in front,
don't let them come back here.
>> Okay.
>> There you go.
>> [laughing] I still felt like ahhh
>> Still wanting to flap a little bit.
>> Yeah!
>> You don't need to jump so high either.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> Yeah, we're more focusing
on the landing right now.
That was good.
>> DMITRI: Keep this tight.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> So you don't want to loosen up
and let your shoulders fall behind.
That's why you keep falling backwards.
Keep it tight.
So that way, your center
of mass is over your feet,
not behind your feet.
>> Okay.
>> Right, so stay tight here.
>> Got you.
>> There you go.
>> Wow, that was way better!
>> Yeah, much better.
>> That was totally in control.
>> You got to focus on that
keeping your center of balance.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And spot your landing too.
You don't need to look ahead, necessarily.
It's better to focus on your target.
>> DMITRI: Where you're going to land.
>> Oh, okay.
Yeah, all right.
[thudding]
>> Nice.
Good, I like the breathing too.
>> Oh right on.
>> ERIC: Yeah.
>> JASON: I wasn't doing that.
>> [laughing]
>> For most of the stuff we do
it helps to start on an inhale
and then exhale through the motion.
>> The higher you go, the more
you have to be conscious of
how deep you're going.
Because if you get all the way to here,
all the pressure's going to come out
of your knees.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> So you have to engage your thighs.
>> Right.
>> Don't let your butt
come past your knees.
This is as far as you should go.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> So you engage your
foot, engage your calf,
engage your thighs, so you stop here.
>> Controlling your landing.
>> Right, control descent, exactly.
>> Yeah.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> JASON: Oh, good.
>> That was much quieter too.
Start rolling on the ground.
So we're going to start from our knee.
So one knee down, good.
And then we're going to make
a triangle with our hands.
We're going to shift out,
so a parkour role is not
symmetrical, like a somersault.
>> Got it.
>> It's very one side
more like an Aikido roll
or something like that, okay?
>> Okay.
>> So we're going to be
leading with this shoulder.
And this is the beginning of the curve,
that we want to continue all
the way through the roll.
>> Okay.
>> See this nice curvature right here?
We never go in with locked
elbows, but firm, okay?
So you're taking some of your
weight on your hands first.
And then slowly lowering the
shoulder down to the ground,
and then letting your hips
go over with the roll.
So it's kind of slow
motion, it looks like this.
And you want to end with the foot
tucked underneath right here.
If you keep it out in
front, it acts like a break.
And you kind of run into your own leg.
So it's much easier to
come up over your hips
if that trailing leg is
tucked up underneath you.
>> JASON: Okay.
>> BRIAN: Okay, so--
>> So let's break it down
again, real slow, triangle,
hands come to the ground.
And I'm going to open my head this way,
to open up some space here.
So that my head doesn't
even touch the ground,
if you do it right.
>> JASON: You're not even tucking
or anything with your head.
That's the--
>> It's more, yeah, it's
more of a tilt than a tuck.
A tuck can create a pinch, if
the ground comes down here,
and that's what we want to avoid.
So it's more out.
And the shoulder is the next
thing that's contacting.
>> And it looks like
it's not a case of you
throwing your body forward.
It looks like your back
leg is kicking yourself?
>> The legs are just lifting
the hips up and over.
>> Okay.
>> So, a minimal kick to start.
We're trying to go slow and controlled.
But ultimately, yeah
you're extending the legs
to lift the hips up and over.
Nice!
>> Like that?
>> Yeah!
>> Hey, I did it!
>> ERIC: Great job.
>> DMITRI: You guys are naturals.
>> So you just kind of...
>> Good!
>> Ahh, I nearly bowled over backwards.
>> Tuck that bag leg, yeah.
>> Tuck it back?
>> You don't necessarily want
to like, scoop the hands.
They really want to provide
a little bit of catch.
>> JASON: Okay.
>> So you're lowering
yourself down onto the ground.
>> JASON: Okay.
>> People that scoop
have a tendency to just
drop their shoulder onto the ground.
>> JASON: Oh and that'll hurt.
>> And do you want to come out
of the roll and just spring up?
Or you just want to stop
at the end of the roll?
>> Ideally, we want to
have enough momentum to,
keep going.
>> Do it!
>> Hey, hey, hey!
That was a thing.
>> ERIC: Nice!
>> Yeah, it feels like a line
that goes just straight up
or down, all the way down
to this back hip.
>> ERIC: Yeah.
>> And then you just pop right back up.
>> And then diagonally
across, that's right.
>> Wow okay.
>> And that way we avoid
rolling directly on the spine.
>> Oh, yeah, okay.
>> ERIC: Nice, that was good,
tuck that back leg though.
Yeah.
>> Like that?
Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Your legs still out here though.
>> JASON: My right leg?
>> ERIC: Yeah.
>> Here, I'm going to
help you fine tune it.
So right here, this is where
you're coming up, right?
So go ahead and put your right hand down.
>> Okay.
>> All right, so right
now your foot's like this.
So go ahead and put it here.
And then go ahead and come up.
>> ERIC: Yeah and lay
that foot flat, yeah.
>> Oh like on the follow through,
really tuck it in there.
>> ERIC: Exactly.
>> And you can lean into your
right hand a little bit more,
to help you up.
>> Yep.
>> There you go, just like that.
>> At what point do
you break the triangle?
>> So he's trying to get you
to do it with full momentum.
So that's preferred.
So when you're coming
up, you stay like this,
so your momentum will transfer you up.
When you're just starting
if it's difficult to come up.
Right after you get your head
passed, right after it's safe,
then you can put your right
hand down, help yourself up.
>> Yeah, the triangle thing is
really just for the beginning
and taking on the first initial
lowering down to the ground,
and after that you can break the triangle.
>> Okay. So,
>> DMITRI: There you go.
>> BRIAN: Yeah.
>> So let's try to do two more like this.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> Then we're going to
start from standing.
>> Ohhh, right on, okay, so.
>> ERIC: Nice.
>> Oh that was your best one!
>> I think so.
>> Here, let's go the other way now.
>> So I did notice that you almost flipped
into it a little bit.
>> JASON: Yeah, I can
feel it right here too.
>> And that's from like,
pulling those hands in.
So yeah, really reach out,
and make sure you're--
>> JASON: Use it to guide you.
>> Pushing, yeah.
>> Three, two, one.
>>> BOTH: Parkour!
[laughing]
>> Okay, so now we're
doing it from standing,
>> Correct.
>> Okay, what does that look like?
>> So we're going to
start with straddled feet.
And after that, it's the
same thing, triangle,
gently lowering the
shoulder down on firm arms
and then follow through the same way.
>> Oh that's actually even easier.
Because the momentum takes care of itself.
>> So...
>> Nice!
It always helps to set
up your feet like this.
If your feet start like this,
your body just wants to do a somersault.
>> Or is that all right?
>> DMITRI: Don't add energy going into it.
>> BRIAN: Got it.
>> Right, so if you punch,
you're adding more to your leg.
So you'll just want to
push out with your legs
and place your hands there,
and use just this to absorb
so you'll go out.
If you could go through a little
bit of a dive with you all.
Because you all are rolling pretty well.
>> BRIAN: Sure.
>> So we'll do a little bit of
a dive roll here in a second.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> So right now you're loading
up, like you're going to strike.
>> So don't do that.
[all talking]
>> [laughing]
>> Plant those hands.
>> The same thing we
went over with our legs
applies to our arms.
So you don't want to
just tap and collapse.
I'll exaggerate all the motion.
You land,
and you absorb, so you control
it all the way through.
You'll never do it that
slowly in practice, but it's--
>> Controlled resistance.
>> BRIAN: Right.
>> DMITRI: Exactly, yeah.
>> All right you ready, same time.
Synchronized moves.
>> Okay let's do it!
>> Ready three, two, one.
>> Whoa, that was, did you
guys practice this before?
[all laughing]
>> I think you guys are ready
to know about our secret organization.
This is actually a recruiting mission.
>> Now we're going to
work up to the dive roll.
And to do that, we're going
to just start extending
where our hands meet
the ground out further.
>> Okay.
>> So right now, our hands
are coming in right here.
And so a lot of our weight
is easily going over.
And so we're going to start
reaching out a little bit further.
And then a little bit of a
hop, if you can muster it.
>> Yeah. Okay,
>> Work up to it.
Start small, you can even
just do the same thing
you've been doing.
And just feel out a little bit more,
a little bit more, a little bit more.
>> Are you at any point
completely in the air?
>> We will be, yeah.
>> I mean we can be.
>> When you do the leap.
>> Yeah, I mean, not yet.
But that's what we're going for.
>> I get it all in my head.
I can't
>> Yeah, if you ever get
confused or it's too much,
or your body is just like
no that doesn't make sense,
just go back to what you know.
>> BRIAN: Got it.
>> Just go back up a step.
>> Okay.
>> BRIAN: That was a somersault.
>> That one.
>> Yeah.
>> So maybe I'll make it
kind of a last minute thing.
>> BRIAN: I felt myself loading up.
>> And it'll line up more, so
after you're done, run at me.
You don't want to be going this way.
So sometimes we land on a
small strip of something
and we still have to roll.
We don't want to go like
this, side ways and go off--
>> Oh, yeah
>> The building or whatever.
>> BRIAN: So you want it
to be a straight line.
>> DMITRI: Yeah.
>> So you're just going.
>> DMITRI: Oh there you go.
>> Was that good?
>> Yeah, that was better.
>> ERIC: Great.
>> DMITRI: Nice.
Cool.
All the placement's great.
You're just adding too
much energy into it.
So you're almost front flipping
like I'll exaggerate
what you all are doing.
So my hands should touch first.
My body shouldn't be over my hands before
>> JASON: Okay.
>> And your hands should
be actually breaking
some of the pressure.
>> Yeah, all of this.
>> Okay.
So it may be more like a...
>> DMITRI: That's slowing down for sure.
>> Okay.
>> DMITRI: I like it.
There you go.
You can tell because it's quieter.
You can call yourselves out.
Still underneath.
>> Did I, did I still?
>> ERIC: You're really
wanting to put your foot flat.
You want this whole part of your leg
to be flat on the ground
contacting all around.
>> JASON: Okay.
>> ERIC: There it is.
[all cheering]
So now we're going to be
jumping off this block.
We always like to start
small, learn the technique,
and build up that muscle memory
and then apply it to larger things.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> I'm going to step off, I'm
going to land with staggered feet,
and then I'm going to
drop right into that roll.
>> Okay.
>> All right?
>> JASON: Okay.
>> Ah because I thought, you
were just going to dive bomb
and just tumble forward. [chuckles]
>> ERIC: No, no, no, no.
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> Yeah no, it's jumping
onto the legs first.
And then from there, it's
the same roll as going from--
>> So if I'm getting it right,
that initial thing we worked
on, that shock absorber.
>> Exactly.
>> But you're still going to
have forward momentum because
theoretically you're running
from building to building
and this is a way to keep
that momentum going forward.
>> Correct.
>> Okay.
>> BRIAN: How did that feel?
>> JASON: Wrong, it felt very wrong.
[all laughing]
I did it wrong.
>> A big thing is you
also don't want to stop.
Because if you stopped
you essentially landed
just with your legs.
>> Right.
>> Right so, lean forward just
a little bit so you'll land,
and then transition.
>> Yeah, there was very much a boom.
>> Yeah.
Better.
>> Better.
>> Can you do it one more time?
Go ahead and watch his
legs before he rolls,
because right now you're
landing very rigid, tucked.
Notice he'll have his legs extended,
so think of a car with
crumble points, right?
You have to land with your legs long,
so that you can absorb
because if you crashed
an already crashed car,
>> Oh yeah.
>> Got it.
>> DMITRI: It'd hurt right?
>> Like I don't want to
jump off like this, right?
[all laughing]
So I want to jump off with links,
and then use that link to absorb.
>> There you go.
>> JASON: Okay.
>> BRIAN: Got it.
>> ERIC: Jump off staggered.
>> Got it.
So just think of it as like two moves.
One is just absorbing the downward shock,
and then the second one
is just slowing down
the forward momentum.
>> Yes, and then connecting
them as seamless as you can.
>> BRIAN: Got it.
>> Stagger those feet.
>> BRIAN: Okay, you want me to
land with the feet staggered?
>> Yeah.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> Yeah,
>> Although that was a somersault.
>> Yeah, there you go.
>> JASON: Better.
>> Better, the only thing I saw is that
you were fully stopped,
and then started again.
>> If it feels fluid,
then you're doing it right.
>> It's getting better.
I'm going to do what I do with my kids.
After you come out of it,
come give me a high five.
Because if you're thinking,
rounding your shoulders
and rolling backwards, it's
bad form to aim your back.
>> I keep doing that.
>> Pose the direction of your energy.
>> Got it.
>> So give me a high
five after you're done.
There we go.
Yeah.
There we go.
That was a bit of a dive to your back.
Lead with your hands.
And then absorb here.
Don't lead with just the shoulder.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> DMITRI: Awesome.
So now I'm going to stand closer to you.
And I want you to slow it down enough,
to where you've dissipated all that energy
when you get to me.
Use those hands.
That was a good roll.
Use the hands though to slow you down.
Because everything's soft, it
feels more okay than it is.
I want you to use your arms
to absorb like you said,
firm and then controlled descent.
>> Nice
>> There we go.
Much better hands.
>> Yeah, just imagine if this
was concrete or something.
You know, you wouldn't want to be dropping
onto your shoulder like that.
You would really want to
be gentle using the hands.
>> You're going to dive over the noodle.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Very nice.
I'm being picky, like you're
definitely doing it better.
I just want you to get used to
using these big muscles.
Because right now, you're
just barely tapping
the pressure that they could hold.
>> BRIAN: Got it.
>> Use them.
Ooh that was good.
>> Oh yeah, I got a
"that's good" from coach.
>> Good absorption.
You dove a little bit too
high, it's not a front flip,
it's a dive more so than a front flip.
Okay, so think way less front flip.
>> Yeah, there we go.
>> I slowed down too.
>> DMITRI: Yeah, that was good.
>> I think you guys are doing great.
Time to up it up a notch.
So we're going to come
over to this big block,
and have you guys do the same thing,
but from a higher level.
>> Right on, nothing will go wrong.
>> That's good, I'm good.
>> So he's going to show us how to jump
from this height down to the mat.
Absorb, roll.
>> So when he landed,
remember just like we
talked about over there,
it's even more important,
the higher you go.
So you land long and then
start going to your squat.
Then you get low, and then you roll.
Right so lengthen body,
then absorb and then roll.
>> De-coiling yourself like a spring?
You're just shrinking it down.
>> So you start the roll with
your legs all the way down?
>> Yeah, because you want to get pretty,
well I'd say pretty close,
because you get, full absorption,
and then you start hopping out.
>> So you want to
basically that spring back,
because if you just landed,
you're going to go down
and spring back up.
The only difference is
you're going to land,
and you're going to
spring forward, instead.
>> You just don't want your hips
to drop below your knees.
If you're going all the way down here,
and it's really hard to roll out of that.
And remember to land, staggered feet,
and try not to jump higher like
you already have plenty of height.
>> Yeah, that's another
muscle memory thing though
because I think, let's leap!
Okay.
>> It takes some time
to fine tune it but--
>> The landing felt, I
didn't feel in control
of the compression of my legs.
>> I mean in theory the
height shouldn't make
that big of a difference, but it does.
>> Newton would disagree, but okay.
>> DMITRI: Awesome.
>> BRIAN: Was that good?
That was good, hey!
>> You all ever do squats?
>> BRIAN: Yeah, sure.
>> So you never squat like this, right?
You would never just drop.
It's the same thing.
You're trying to match the weight.
And slowly absorb it.
>> When they're doing squats,
they're always on me about,
you know, going power through the heels.
But this is all balls of the feet.
>> Yeah, more so I'm talking about
the controlled descent of the squat.
You wouldn't just drop the weight
and hope to catch it at the bottom.
It's the same thing here.
You engage the whole way
through not just at the end.
Better timing, engage a little bit more.
I'm going to stand in front of you.
I'll do it a couple of times.
>> Here, let's just keep on going.
>> Especially here because it's
easy to go towards a hole.
>> BRIAN: Yeah.
Wow, that looked great.
>> It felt pretty good.
>> That looked great.
You could see all the energy get absorbed,
and you just naturally
rolled that momentum forward.
That was awesome.
>> There you go.
Stay square off your
shoulders, stag the legs.
So you can go out like this.
You're going like this.
And you're diving with that shoulder,
really face your chest.
>> BRIAN: Keep the chest straight forward.
>> Right, so forward here, long body.
So your energy's going
this way the whole time.
>> Got it.
>> You landed your feet here
and you placed your hands here.
So that means you're going to have
to front flip to get any type of rolling.
So think about that noodle.
Now that we don't have it.
You have to visualize it.
>> Yeah, your hands
should be, on the yellow.
>> JASON: Oh, wow. Okay,
>> One foot here, one foot here,
hands at least on the yellow.
>> JASON: There we go.
I keep saying that's good like I know.
I got your high five right here.
All right?
>> That's good.
>> Right I know!
>> BRIAN: I just got to
keep the chest forward.
>> DMITRI: A little too much front flip.
>> Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
>> Too much front flip.
Oooh that was good--
>> That was good, was it?
>> The roll was good, it was a
little fast, but it was good.
>> Well and I think having
that so much farther out,
it just made me want to
leap and take more space.
>> Too much front flip.
>> Too much front flip again.
>> So you're a little taller,
so you have to put your
body in a longer position.
You wouldn't be landing in
the same spot he's landing at.
Just remember fatigue, is the thing.
Especially if you don't use these,
in the timing that we're using them.
>> Well and that's the
thing is I can feel our form
getting sloppier and
sloppier as we get tired.
>> Good, the roll's good.
Just got to slow it down.
And that's going to be a thing
like you're always going to work on.
I'm always working on it,
Eric's always working on it.
>> Speed is the last thing we add.
>> All right Dmitri.
What's our progress report here?
>> Eric is able to show
you how to, land properly,
how to dive roll, how to combine the two
and how to go from a little bit higher.
So, I think what you need to work on,
is slowing it down, adding
a little bit less energy.
>> Because otherwise,
you're going to be making
all of the same mistakes only really fast.
>> And what you need to
work on, is absorption.
Slow it down at the beginning.
>> Right, so here's the question.
Can you show us how
this would be integrated
into a parkour routine?
>> Yeah, absolutely.
>> Showtime
>> Okay, good.
[laughing]
>> He hardly made the sound.
That's amazing.
>> I make more noise climbing into bed.
>> It was a dead silent.
Oh man, Eric, Dmitri, if
people want to come do this,
where should they head over to?
>> Check out lachemove.com
>> Awesome.
>> I made it, I'm alive.
>> Hey, that's two for two!
>> I don't think anything's broken.
>> That was our goal, that was our goal.
>> Good job.
>> I'm going to bet we're going
to be a little sore tomorrow.
I got a problem these days.
>> Ohhh is the rash back?
>> No, no, I mean like there
is no gap of time too small
for me to get bored with life
and immediately dip back into audible.
I was taking out the
garbage after a shoot.
The hundred yards from here
to there, I was just like,
just a little bit more.
>> You start finding little
moments where you can use,
and access this treasure trove of stories.
>> Well, and some of them are obvious.
Like on your trip from point A to point B,
you're not doing anything important,
might as well lose yourself in a story.
But it's those little things.
Everything from washing the dishes,
to walking the dog, to
taking out the trash.
>> Standing in line, somewhere.
>> Yeah, and nowadays it's even easier
because along with the app you
can also transfer your story,
at exactly the point your
at on to your Amazon Echo.
You're listening with earbuds,
walk in the door
and you say, "Alexa, continue playing
"Ryan Holiday's Conspiracy."
>> Yeah, it's like the whisper sync.
You can go from your Kindle to your app.
Now you go from your app to the Echo.
Audible is taking on big bookmark.
They're taking bookmarks down.
>> All right, so what are
you reading right now?
>> I'm reading
The Dream-Quest of Vellitt Boe
by Kij Johnson.
It is a retelling of a
classic HP Lovecraft story.
>> What, which one?
Did you read the original?
>> Oh, yeah, many times.
"The Horror and Red Hook."
It takes a lot of HP Lovecraft's
unseemly racism
and kind of looks at it
through a different lens.
>> Wait a minute.
Oh so it doesn't whitewash everything,
or I guess it does the
reverse of whitewashing it,
it looks at it from a
21st century perspective.
>> It acknowledges it and
makes it a part of the story.
>> Dude, that's amazing.
You heard me mentioned
Ryan Holiday's new book.
It is utterly fantastic.
If you enjoyed any of his other stuff.
It's about the Gawker
versus Hulk Hogan trial.
Only it's told through the lens
of somebody who understands
Marcus Aurelius and stoicism.
And it's called conspiracy,
because Peter Teal formed a conspiracy
that lasted six years,
and destroyed Gawker.
He basically said
I think Gawker is a bad thing.
I'm going to commit my
time, resources and energy.
I will tell no one for six years,
and now they're gone.
>> I can't even decide what to get
at the drive through at Arbys.
>> It is chilling and exciting
and totally engrossing.
There's a reason I'm reading
it everywhere I go now.
You can go to audible.com/rogue,
and get a free trial for 30 days,
where you can listen to a free book.
>> Yeah, man, that's
audible.com/rogue, R-O-G-U-E
Please, for the love of god,
don't spell it wrong.
>> Yeah, you could text rogue to 500-500
and get the same deal.
>> Audible has changed my life.
I read 30 to 40 nonfiction
books every year
and it's all thanks to audible.
Thank you, audible.
You're my secret lover.
[laughs]
That's not what I meant.
You're just my secret heart's desire.
>> That's weird.
[laughs]
>> Are you for reals okay?
>> Yeah.
