

### Interview With Jesus:

### God's Attributes & Qualities

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Sessions 1-2

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### This ebook is a transcript of a two interviews that took place on 24th May and 31st May 2012 in Wondai, Australia, between AJ Miller (who claims to be Jesus) and Luli Faber. In these interviews they discuss the nature, origin and location of God, the primary attributes of God, including Divine Love, Divine Truth, humility, power, wisdom, simplicity, sexuality and God's infinite nature, and how to receive Divine Love in order to learn about God, grow towards God, and assimilate God's qualities.

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Table of Contents

### God's Attributes and Qualities: Session 1

1. Introduction

2. Discovering the existence of God

3. Determining whether God is the only God

4. The age of God

5. The location of God

6. The size and make-up of God

7. God's qualities and attributes inside and outside the universe

7.1. Divine Love

7.1.1. Receiving Divine Love is receiving a part of God into our soul

7.1.2. Other types of substances from God that may transform us in the future

7.2. God's Laws are the framework of creation

7.3. The nature of Divine Truth

7.4. God is continuing to grow in Love

7.5. The origin and nature of God's complete Soul

8. God's primary attributes and qualities have sub-attributes

8.1. The primary quality of Divine Love

8.1.1. Attributes of love have distinct colours, smells and sounds

8.1.2. We can only receive Divine Love directly from God

8.2. The primary qualities of Divine Truth and humility

8.3. The primary quality of power

8.4. Love is inherent in every quality of God

9. God's attributes and qualities can be discovered and absorbed by receiving Divine Love

9.1. Becoming more like God's nature is an indicator of progression

9.2. The primary qualities of intelligence and wisdom

9.3. Receiving God's Love enables us to get to know God

9.4. Becoming more like God's nature is an automatic result of receiving Divine Love

9.4.1. An example of growing in passion and desire

9.5. God's qualities are present throughout the universe

9.6. Discovering God's attributes by developing a relationship with God

9.7. Developing a relationship with God creates change

10. God's primary qualities of change and personality

10.1. The primary quality of change

10.2. God's personality

10.2.1. Humour is a sub-attribute of God's personality

10.2.2. Aspects of our personality grow and change as we receive Divine Love

11. God's primary quality of power (continued)

11.1. God has created layers of power within the universe

11.2. Understanding the hierarchy of power shows us where to focus to have the greatest effect

12. God's primary quality of simplicity

13. The quality of God of wanting a relationship with everyone

13.1. Receiving Divine Love via the Holy Spirit

13.2. Conditions for forming a relationship

13.3. How God feels about receiving our love

13.3.1. Milestones in our relationship with God

14. Communicating with God through prayer

14.1. Prayer is a particle that travels from our soul to God's Soul

15. Closing Words

15.1. Audience discussion regarding prayer

### God's Attributes and Qualities: Session 2

16. Introduction

17. God's location and interaction with the universe

17.1. God does not manifest physical or spiritual bodies to express Himself through

18. God's Love

18.1. Different types of love that God puts into the universe transform the universe

18.2. Receiving Divine Love is permanent

19. The source of God's power is unknown

20. Sub-attributes of God's Love

20.1. Beauty

20.1.1. Our soul condition is reflected in our physical body in a delayed fashion and our spirit body immediately

20.2. Joy

20.3. Sensitivity

20.4. Patience

20.5. Perfection

20.6. Efficiency and economy

20.6.1. God's efficiency in the design of the universe

20.6.2. Abundance is a part of God's economy

21. God's creativity is a quality of God's Love and power

21.1. God creates everything in harmony with Her Laws

21.2. How God creates human souls

21.3. How God creates in the universe

22. Getting to know God's nature by developing a personal relationship with God

22.1. God is not angry or wrathful

23. God's Sexuality

23.1. Humans reflect the male and female attributes of God through the different genders

23.1.1. The merging of male and female parts in man or in God is involved in creation

23.2. Experiencing God's masculine and feminine qualities

23.2.1. Misconceptions about masculinity and femininity on Earth

24. God's attribute of being infinite

24.1. Difficulties in measuring change in God due to the infinite difference in condition between mankind and God

24.2. Milestones in discovering God's infinite nature

24.2.1. Incarnation

24.2.2. At-onement with God

24.2.3. Soul union

24.3. Discovering God's infinite personality and attributes

25. God's attributes of being childlike

26. God's attribute of showing attention to detail

27. God's attributes of justice and impartiality

28. Proportions of people in different conditions in the universe

29. Sub-attributes of God's Love (continued)

29.1. Nurturing

29.2. Helpfulness

30. Communicating with God through prayer

30.1. Prayer opens up pathways in our soul and transmits desire

30.2. Particles that are transmitted during prayer

30.3. Similarities in God's Soul and our souls

30.4. Soul to soul communication

31. Benefits of engaging a relationship with God

32. Closing Words

God's Attributes and Qualities: Session 1

1. Introduction

Interviewer: Okay, so, today we're here with AJ to talk about God's attributes and qualities.

AJ: Who are you here with, Luli? (Laughter)

Interviewer: We're here with AJ Miller.

AJ: Who are you with, Luli? (Laughter)

Interviewer: I'm with Jesus. (Laughter)

AJ: I see you still haven't dealt with your emotions, hey? (Laughter)

Interviewer: Not all of them. (Laughter)

AJ: You want to start again? (Laughter)

Interviewer: Yeah, sure. (Laughter) Alright, okay, so today we're here with... (Laughter)

AJ: You don't have to say Jesus. (Laughter)

Interviewer: Oh, thank God! (Laughter)

AJ: You can say AJ, that's fine.

Interviewer: Oh, thank you!

AJ: Just stirring you. (Laughter)

Interviewer: Okay. (Laughter)

Participant: Yeshua is sometimes easier for us to say than Jesus too, but that's still an injury, isn't it?

AJ: Yeah, it is. Very few people have dealt with the issue still. It's interesting that the media keeps going back to that 2010 talk that I did called, "I'm Jesus, deal with it," and yet nobody who's still listening to me has really dealt with it, (laughs) which is okay. What's your background, Luli?

Interviewer: I was a neuroscientist, and currently I'm not working.

AJ: You're currently not working? You're currently living nearby us as well, aren't you?

Interviewer: I am, growing vegetables.

AJ: Growing vegetables instead of being a neuroscientist. An interesting change. It's not the only thing you're doing though.

Interviewer: No, I'm quite busy at the moment actually.

AJ: Exactly. (Laughs)

2. Discovering the existence of God

Interviewer: Okay, so I've got a lot of questions. This interview could take infinity. But just to start off with, I feel like we should cover evidence that there actually is a God. When I met you I was an atheist scientist.

AJ: You were an atheist scientist. Do you mind my asking you why you were an atheist? Had you given it much thought?

Interviewer: I just put all my faith in science really, and evolution. I felt that there were other things...

AJ: Unknown things?

Interviewer: Yeah, but I thought that science would explain the lot.

AJ: Right, and science would be able to explain those other things from a purely physical investigation of science? Is that what you felt?

Interviewer: Eventually, yeah. So then I met you and started implementing your teachings to get in touch with my feelings and long for Divine Love.

AJ: May I ask you what caused you to do that? It's a pretty unusual thing for somebody to do right at the beginning.

Interviewer: Well, I did have a history of doing yoga so I had experienced chi flow and things like that. I was interested in that kind of thing.

AJ: Is it also because you're a scientist and you love experimenting? Is that a part of it as well?

Interviewer: Yeah, and because you said you could explain the secrets of the universe. I said, "Yes, thank you! I'll come and listen to that." That was what got me interested. And I was just intrigued because you said you were Jesus. You explained that the way to find out whether there was a God was to connect to your feelings and long for Divine Love, and I did that, and then I started receiving Divine Love, and then that convinced me at the time that there is a God that exists. So, is it possible to prove that there is a God through experimentation and not just through a subjective experience?

AJ: Definitely, of course. You would think that would be the case wouldn't you? Yes, there are ways to experiment with God's existence scientifically, rather than actually doing it on a personal level. The difference between the two is that if you do it on a personal level you enter this personal relationship with God, which you've started to discover, whereas if you do it on a purely scientific level you could find out that a God exists but still not have a personal relationship with that Being. So while the experimental process can be a valid way of discovering the truth of God's existence, it's not a very valid way of demonstrating or developing a relationship with that God.

AJ: There are many scientists who have passed over into the spirit world who do believe now that there is a God but they still do not have a personal relationship with that God. In fact, they have a viewpoint that God is so large, potentially, that they feel it's probably impossible to have a personal relationship with that God. When you're in the spirit world and you speak with different spirits with a scientific background who come from Earth, you often find that they do believe there is a God. Particularly by the time they've reached the sixth dimension many of them do believe there is a God, but they find it very difficult to accept that you can have a personal relationship with that God.

AJ: The beauty of experimenting with the personal relationship is discovering that a personal relationship is possible very early in the piece. But you also gain a lot of extra knowledge and your viewpoint widens very rapidly with regard to the types of experiments you could actually undertake, as you've discovered yourself. What you're now doing with the God's Way of Love Soul Team is experimenting with different scientific principles with regard to emotions, which is something that not very many scientists do until they're well into the spirit world, into the upper dimensions of the spirit world. [00:09:28.22]

Interviewer: Is it your intention to try and prove, while on Earth, that God does exist?

AJ: Well, I suppose you could say there's two parts to my intention of returning to Earth. One part is yes, to prove that God does exist, but while proving God does exist has a benefit to mankind, it doesn't actually have much personal benefit to the individual. So there is the second part, which is proving that a personal relationship with God can actually be developed and also causes major changes within the individual themselves, in the way they develop and their power to do different things. It's very important to understand that even though we may believe there is a God it doesn't necessarily mean that that belief will translate into a relationship with God.

AJ: And so this is why I feel it's very important for most people to understand that we can develop methods to discover scientifically whether God exists or not and even to discover whether the spirit world or the other dimensional spaces which I've referred to exist. We can design experiments to scientifically prove the existence of those dimensional spaces, however even if we provide that evidence and proof, it doesn't necessarily mean that the person will have a personal experience with God and actually engage this process of personal growth, and what I'm trying to do is encourage both of those things, not just one.

AJ: In terms of answering your question about scientific experiments that you could perform to examine whether God exists or not, many of those experiments involve things that mankind are currently limited in, in terms of the way they experiment. For example, some of them involve the discovery of new particles that we will need to discover through some scientific experiments that are based around physics. Other experiments will be based around the emotions (and this has already begun on Earth), experimenting with the transmission of information via emotions between, for example, a mother and a child and between people in different locations on Earth and to see what kind of instantaneous effect that that has. And through those kinds of experiments you'll discover that we can transmit thoughts and feelings faster than the speed of light and so therefore we discover that the speed of light is not the limiting factor in terms of communication and transportation.

AJ: And through a number of other different experiments that we could undertake, we can find that there has to be a Creator of these particular things. However I feel that those experiments are very complicated in comparison to the experiment that you undertook at my suggestion right at the beginning of the process of meeting me. And that experiment is very simple and very easy to undertake. It doesn't require much setup, and it doesn't require any measuring instruments other than your own feelings and emotions and sensations in your own physical form. As you have known and worked on yourself, there is an effect on your brain and on your body that can be measured. So if we have the appropriate apparatus we could actually measure those effects initially, and therefore prove quite rapidly that a personal relationship with God is available and therefore God must also exist. [00:13:12.03]

Interviewer: Okay. So we'll just assume that God does exist for the purpose the rest of this conversation.

AJ: Yes, I suppose you need to. The question of God's existence is a completely different subject and I feel that it's a subject that is worthy of attention and worthy of discussion and I feel at some point in the future we'll provide some information about experiments that can be undertaken to prove the existence of the spirit world, multidimensional spaces, God's existence and people in other forms existing, as well as answering a lot of other questions that I've been putting forward as statements about Divine Truth.

3. Determining whether God is the only God

Interviewer: Is it possible that there's not just one God and that God is a child of another God?

AJ: Well, that is possible, but answering the question is very, very difficult and the best thing I can say about those kinds of questions is that they are yet to be resolved, and as a result of that there is the possibility of the potential of it existing. It's like most questions, there are groups of questions that we can resolve quite rapidly and then there are other groups of questions that are very, very difficult to resolve because of their nature. The questions surrounding God and how God came into existence are very, very difficult to resolve because we have no strong way of being able to measure how God came into existence. It's like the creation trying to understand the Creator.

AJ: Imagine for a moment you made a car and you built the car and then you asked the car to understand you. Now, it would be very, very difficult for the car to understand you without having your intelligence, your feelings, your emotions, your capacity to absorb information. Obviously anything you create will probably not have the same capacity as yourself, and for that reason, the thing you create will find it very difficult to understand you completely, even if it has intelligence, even if you've given it intelligence, the way, a method of examining through experimentation or through personal relationship. Either method, it's still going to be quite difficult to understand some parts of the person who created you. [00:15:46.07]

4. The age of God

Interviewer: So, this is probably another one of those questions but I'm going to ask anyway: God created the universe and the universe is 13.7 billion years old?

AJ: Yeah, the physical universe that we exist in currently is close to 14 billion years old, shall we say as a round figure? But do not assume that that is the only universe that has ever been created. There could potentially be universes side-by-side to each other, physically in space; that is a potential as well. So we can't say that the only universe that was ever created is 14 billion years old. We can only say that due to different scientific measurements that we can currently make, we can make some assumptions based on different theories and then base the age of the current physical universe as around about 14 billion years old. [00:16:40.02]

Interviewer: Okay, so how old does that make God?

AJ: Well obviously God has to be older than that. For God to have created the universe itself; God has to be older than the universe itself. Also, it makes sense if you look at it, that if God created the physical universe and the other dimensional spaces then God has to exist outside of those dimensional spaces and outside of that universe. It doesn't mean that God can't get into the universe somehow, because there's a possibility of that occurring. Just like you can create a car and then you can jump inside it and use it, there is also the possibility that God could do a very similar thing, create a universe and then jump inside the universe and utilise it in some way.

AJ: However being that the universe existed after God, we would have to assume from that that God has to be older than that universe and also greater in power than the universe that was created, and also utilising other forms of energy which we have yet to discover to create that universe as well. There are quite a number of things we can assume once we start understanding that God is an entity and we also understand that God existed before the universe created. [00:17:58.12]

AJ: No idea at all how old God is. At this stage my presumption is that God is possibly infinite in time and I don't understand yet emotionally or intellectually how that could be the case but there is no other possible presumption if you think about it. Because it's a bit like if God as an entity does exist, then it explains the universe's spontaneity in terms of coming into existence, but how did God come into existence? It would not make sense that intelligence came from no source. And obviously, if you look at the intelligence in the universe and all of the laws involved in the universe that we currently have, the physical laws as well as the other laws that mankind has yet to discover, all tend to indicate a highly intelligent being in terms of creation of the universe. And if that is the case, then where did that intelligence come from if it spontaneously came into existence? It doesn't make much sense.

AJ: So we don't really know those particular things about God. All we can do is examine God's creation and, through this personal relationship with God, discover quite a lot of God's attributes and qualities that way. My assumptions at this point in time are that God has existed infinitely and that God has an infinite number of qualities to actually discover. That being the case, I will spend the rest of my existence discovering them. But I will also, during that period, find a lot of answers about the universe itself that I live in; myself, you and other people, how we all exist, how we all function. And there is the large potential of myself, and each person who's ever existed, growing to such condition that we know large amounts about the universe and large amounts about ourselves and large amounts about each other, but still know, in comparison, quite a small amount about God. [00:20:09.14]

5. The location of God

Interviewer: Is it that God is located outside the universe, in one particular place, or all around?

AJ: Well since it's impossible for me to get outside of the universe myself, and impossible for any being God has created in fact at this point in time to exist outside of the universe, it's impossible also to answer the question as to where God's presence is outside of the universe, in terms of its localised place. It is possible though to answer the question as to how that presence is felt and how that presence is observed throughout the universe. It's possible to discover and answer those kinds of questions but I do not believe it is possible at this point to answer the question of where God's localised existence is, assuming God is an entity of some form, outside of the universe. We can only assume through our logical reasoning that God must exist outside the universe if the universe was created after God existed.

Interviewer: You said it's possible for God to come into the universe. Has God ever come into the universe that you know of?

AJ: God comes in the universe constantly.

Interviewer: Parts of God or all of God?

AJ: Parts of God come into the universe constantly. I'm pretty sure that if God entered the universe fully we would all...

Interviewer: ... be squashed.

AJ: Not so much squashed because it depends on the condition that we're in and whether we're at-one with God or not as to whether we could absorb that energetically. My feelings are that God at this point has not ever fully entered the universe, and in fact God's Love, one of God's major attributes, has never fully entered the universe at this point either. And again, if we assume that God is infinite in nature and therefore God's qualities must be infinite in nature, we can see that it would be impossible for God's infinite Love to enter the universe without it being a gradualised process, where it gradually increases in its intensity to a certain point. For God's Love to enter the universe all at once would be a physical impossibility as well.

6. The size and make-up of God

Interviewer: God is obviously massively large, you assume?

AJ: We assume. When we say massively large it'd probably be better to remember that God is obviously made up of different dimensional matter than we are made up of. It's the same with regard to us when we create some kind of object ourselves, that is, any object that we have around us that we create ourselves. It is created in a slightly different way. For instance, the whiteboard or the recording material, your own paper, all of those kinds of things, they are physical matter still, they are all still atomic structures, with very, very rapidly rotating energy particles, but the matter that's in your body is very different because it has the ability to live. There's a breath of life that exists in it, whereas the breath of life in the paper, for example, has disappeared. With anything that man creates at this point in time, none of it really seems to have the breath of life in it, whereas all the things that God has created all seem to have a breath of life in them. There's the inanimate stuff that does not seem to have that breath of life but there's the animate stuff that all seems to have a breath of life, going from very, very small single cell organisms right the way up through the food chain I suppose you could call it, to man himself or woman herself. We've all got this living structure, this living material, and life seems to be able to exit and enter those materials somehow, and man still really hasn't discovered how that occurs.

AJ: But to me that proves a lot about how God uses material. There's obviously material that is inanimate in its nature; it still degrades and it shifts in its form. There is animate material in its nature as well, that seems to be animated through some kind of pulling together from some kind of structure into a living form. And we can assume God's form must be greater than all of these living forms placed together, and that God Herself must also have a living form of some kind, but it has to exist outside of the dimensional spaces that we currently exist in, so therefore it must be of a different type of nature of living form than we are currently able to conceive. [00:24:58.26]

Interviewer: So you don't know what God is made of or what God looks like?

AJ: No, even after 2,000 years of existence. I'm also still struggling to understand a lot of information in the spirit world, the different particles that exist in the universe, and there is the potential of even more particles yet to be discovered in the universe, without discovering the particles that exist outside of the universe which God must be made up of. That's a whole different, scientific set of experiments that are way beyond my current emotional and intellectual capacity to understand and grasp.

Interviewer: Okay, so I think I'm ready to move on to questions that you're going to be able to answer.

AJ: No worries.

Interviewer: Sorry, but I had to ask those other ones.

AJ: It's very important to ask those questions because we can spend a lot of time postulating and theorising about things like that when the reality is, I feel, that there are many more important questions to ask. And the reality is also that if we initially spend a lot of time theorising about questions that obviously logically are going to be very, very difficult, then it seems to be a fair bit of a waste of our time. We need to get firstly onto the questions we can answer and then use those questions that we can answer as a platform to discover the questions that we cannot answer. [00:26:21.24]

7. God's qualities and attributes inside and outside the universe

7.1. Divine Love

Interviewer: Is Love a substance of God that's actually part of God?

AJ: Yes, it's a substance of God. Divine Love, what I'm calling Divine Love, is a substance that exists within God. It's separate to the universe itself. It does not exist in the universe itself without it being transmitted from God to a soul in the universe. It can exist in the universe only through transmission from God whereas natural love, which is a different form of love, a different substance again, can be transmitted between yourself and myself and we do not need to involve God in the transmission of that particular substance. And in fact every single emotion that we actually have is a substance of some kind and therefore it makes sense that one of the emotions that transforms our soul, which is God's Love, must also be a substance.

7.1.1. Receiving Divine Love is receiving a part of God into our soul

Interviewer: So when we receive Divine Love we're actually receiving a part of God into us?

AJ: Yes.

Interviewer: And that's part of the reason why our soul expands?

AJ: Exactly, it's a particle. It's obviously a particle that exists from a physical, physics perspective, a particle that enters us that, due to the way God's designed our soul, has the ability to make it transform into a new creature. It's very different from all other substances that can enter our soul because all other substances that come from within our universe that enter our soul, and there are many of those, cannot transform us into anything beyond what our original nature was created to be. So it's a very, very different type of substance.

7.1.2. Other types of substances from God that may transform us in the future

AJ: In fact my assumption is that God may have other types of substances besides God's Love that could potentially enter us as well and transform us in a different direction, but I've yet to fully discover those substances. I have some assumptions about some of those substances and I'm experimenting with the ability to absorb them but as yet I have not personally discovered other substances that could have the same transforming effect. [00:28:33.02]

Interviewer: What do you think they are?

AJ: Well, one that comes to mind immediately is Wisdom, as a substance from God, in that if you examine the universe very, very carefully you can see that it is very, very complex in its nature and it's full of highly developed intelligence. And even if we look at our Earth we can see the intelligence required to design a physical form of any kind, such as an animal, a dog, a cat or a human body. There are huge amounts of intelligence involved in creating such a form and that being the case, there must be huge amounts of intelligence available inside of God. Now as you receive Divine Love your capacity to absorb intellectual things or absorb knowledge grows and so we have the capacity to understand the things intellectually but the wisdom of how to use them together and to create a framework in which they all operate together without self-destruction, without anarchy, this is an entirely different set of things that constrain the physical universe. And so, from my perspective, I see discovery in two different areas really that are important.

7.2. God's Laws are the framework of creation

AJ: Firstly there's the discovery of what the creations are themselves, and I'm always fascinated by any discovery in that direction, but there's also the discovery of the laws that constrain or control the creation, or constrain the universe in which we exist. And those laws seem to have a different nature altogether. They are like a framework that exists without a physical form, but they must have some kind of form, some kind of energetic structure to exist. Very much like the Law of Gravity, for example; it is created through mass creating gravity and so we know that if we have a small mass then there's a small amount of gravity. If we have a large mass then there's a larger amount of gravity. And these other laws must also exist in a similar form that we can at some point measure but it appears there are an infinite number of those laws, and that to me is another fascinating area of examination.

AJ: So examination of the laws is even more interesting than the examination of the creation that the laws create. And I see it as the creation, and then there's the laws that constrain the creation. If you think of it like a layers of an onion, there's the internal layer, which is the creation itself, then there's the outside layer which is the laws, or the structure that actually control that creation. And in the universe we've discovered many of those laws; many of them pertain to love, but I still feel that there are many more of those laws to discover. And as we discover more of those laws we may find that there is another layer that controls the laws somehow before we even get to the layer that allows us to understand God completely. These are all just assumptions that we can make based on what's already been discovered and using that as a foundation to go ahead with further discovery. [00:31:55.21]

Interviewer: What's God's Law made of? Is it an intention of God?

AJ: Well yes, I feel quite strongly that again it must be made up of a substance of some kind, some kind of energy or substance. It has to have existed before the universe came into existence, so therefore it has to be made up of a similar type of substance that God is made up of if you think about it, in some way, or a substance closer to the substance that God is made up of, and this is why my real fascination is more with the laws than it is with the physical examination of creation. Physical creation is obviously made up of a completely different substance to what God is made up of because it existed after God existed, so therefore was created by God. But before those physical substances came into existence the laws had to have come into existence, so therefore they have to be made up of a different type of substance that is present within the universe, although the laws have to be present for the universe to operate and force the universe to conform to God's intentions or desires.

AJ: For that reason we could then presume that the laws have to be closer to God's nature than physical creation is, and so that's why my areas of investigation, right from shortly after I discovered the whole process of receiving Divine Love, have been focused more upon the laws and God's nature, in terms of the feelings that I could feel from God, than on the physical investigation of life itself and matter on Earth or matter in the physical world. [00:33:38.08]

7.3. The nature of Divine Truth

Interviewer: So Divine Truth isn't a substance of God?

AJ: You could say Divine Truth is more like a constraining force upon the substances. Something is either true or not true. There is no in-between with God. Quite often when I was growing up I had different persons say to me that they felt that there was white and black when it came to answers, and then there were hundreds of levels of shades of grey and they likened it to how the human eye can see, I think, a thousand and twenty four shades of grey. And they basically likened morality and other issues as shades of grey with white and black on either end. My feelings with God though are that there is just white or black in the sense of answers; there is a truthful answer or a non-truthful answer.

AJ: While we're discovering the truth there will be shades of grey. One of the discussions I would love to have, and we'll do an interview of shortly, will be about the qualities of truth, because it's very important to answer the questions about the qualities of truth before you can really answer other questions. Even questions about God can't really be answered without understanding the qualities of truth. We probably need to discuss the qualities of truth as a different topic at some point. But if you examine truth, truth either is or is not. There are only two potential options: something being true or not true. We can slowly discover more of it but on any particular subject we will eventually arrive at "It is" or "It is not"; one of those two things. Now, there doesn't have to be a substance for that truth to exist. For that reason I personally feel that truth is not a substance as love or other emotions are a substance. However truth is emotional in the sense that without understanding love and other emotions, we will never come to an understanding of truth. [00:36:04.07]

Interviewer: So when the truth enters our soul, that's an emotional experience, but that's not a substance of God entering us?

AJ: No, I don't feel it's a substance. Often as the truth enters us, the substance of God's Love also enters us at the same time; it's very, very hard to separate the two from each other. So while we're receiving Divine Love, at the same time we're automatically having these amazing realisations of truths that we didn't understand before and so we can't really divorce the two, Divine Truth and Divine Love, from each other. But I am sure that Divine Truth is able to exist and be discovered without Love yet being felt.

AJ: For example, this is very much like a scientist going through an experiment, not feeling anything about the actual end result of the experiment but discovering that there is such a thing as gravity as a truth. And then later on after further experiments discovering there is another Divine Truth, which is the truth of aerodynamics, that in an atmosphere we have the possibility of creating a certain shape and therefore creating lift and therefore lifting above the ground, if we have enough power. The scientist who discovered it might go through many emotional experiences doing that, which will be based on his desire and passions and so forth, but the truth itself about the Law of Gravity or the Law of Aerodynamics hasn't entered him as an emotion, it's just entered him as a belief, a trust that he has that he can rely upon that particular thing. So I feel that while truths will enter us after we've processed certain emotions, there is the possibility to discover certain truths without having gone through an emotional experience. [00:37:58.28]

7.4. God is continuing to grow in Love

Interviewer: If God is infinite and then we can all receive God's Love in theory for an infinite amount of time, does that mean God is growing in Love?

AJ: Yes, of course.

Interviewer: Do you know if God is expanding? Has God had to develop in Love?

AJ: Even though I said previously, within the constraints of this discussion, where I have not been able to discover the substance of God and those kinds of things at this point in time, I would have to answer definitely that God is expanding. The reason I have to answer that way is that every single thing in the universe that does not grow eventually degrades and changes its condition and so growth is a law of the universe.

AJ: The universe itself grows, it continually expands, even dimensionally, so new dimensions are added to the universe in a fairly consistent manner based even on the growth of an individual. An individual can grow and actually get to the point that they create, through their growth, a new dimension and that dimension will grow as new individuals enter that same state. Then that first individual, or others, may grow to a new state and they create even new dimensions that are even greater than the one that they just created and the same process multiplies.

AJ: Seeing all of these things happen over two thousand years, I have to say that God must be definitely growing. You would then have to say that God must be definitely growing in all sorts of characteristics and traits and attributes, not just in one trait or attribute. So God's Love must be growing, God's Wisdom must be growing, God's Power must be growing and so forth, just like when I go through the same process of receiving Divine Love from God, my soul grows and my power grows, my understanding grows, my knowledge grows, my wisdom grows, my empathy grows, my compassion grows; all these other qualities grow. [00:40:05.00]

7.5. The origin and nature of God's complete Soul

Interviewer: As we talked about in the interview on "The Human Soul - Attributes and Qualities" last week, God creates us as whole souls which then split in two, and you've drawn God as a whole soul on the board in many of your talks. Do you know if God ever was two halves and then formed one?

AJ: I can't say for certain what God was before the universe itself that I'm a part of existed, obviously. We can only make certain presumptions. Some of those presumptions will be more likely than other presumptions. But it is quite obvious that God does have feminine and masculine characteristics and traits, otherwise those traits couldn't exist in the universe She or He created. It does make sense that those traits must exist inside of God; that is certainly the case. And the closer I've become to God, the closer I've become to each side of God, in terms of the masculine and feminine sides of God. Unfortunately, the way God is portrayed on Earth is usually very masculine in nature and as a result of that there is very little femininity, Divine Femininity, portrayed on Earth at all. I feel that will change in the coming years, but that is something that does need to change so that people can understand God's nature much better than they currently do.

AJ: So in answer to the question, yes I do believe that God does have feminine and masculine qualities and characteristics because I've felt both of such and I've observed them in the creation of the universe. However, I don't know whether that means that God at some point had a separated nature just like we did, that was growing together through a process. In other words, I don't know if God has gone through the process we are currently going through to become God, because I don't know how God became God.

Interviewer: Fair enough. So what are some of the masculine qualities of God versus the feminine qualities of God?

AJ: What if we first discuss what the qualities of God are and then we can start allocating the masculinity and femininity? Masculinity and femininity is in itself quite an interesting discussion in terms of what defines masculinity and what defines femininity and so forth, but I feel that that is a very, very separate discussion to what are God's attributes and qualities. And then maybe we need to proceed as to which one of those qualities are feminine or masculine.

8. God's primary attributes and qualities have sub-attributes

AJ: I was thinking we could perhaps start looking at the primary qualities. Now, it's interesting that pretty much all of God's qualities have what I would call sub-attributes and qualities to them. It's a bit like; you have a thing inside of you called an eye. That thing, which can be described in its own form, has a certain type of shape and a certain type of size. What could we say about a person's eye?

Interviewer: It's round.

AJ: It's completely round, isn't it? Everyone's eye is the same, pretty much, unless it's been deformed in some way or they've lost it. It has a retina. The eye is what you would call the object, and the retina and round shape are its attributes. And even parts of the eye have attributes of their own; the retina itself has attributes of its own, as it has rods and cones, some of which determine gradients of light, and others of which determine colour. But the retina itself doesn't do that; it converts it all into electrical signals, so that's another attribute and quality.

Like God's attributes and qualities, the object of the eye has attributes, which themselves also have sub-attributes and so forth

AJ: So we can pick an object in the body, for example the eye, and we can then describe its attributes, but inside of each one of those attributes we could then go and describe another series of attributes of that particular thing. And then, it makes sense of course, that at some point we'll be able to go "Okay, let's look at the rods and the cones in the retina of the eye." We know that there's rods and cones, and I think it's the cones that look at the colour and the rods that look at the gradients of light, and then we could describe them as having sub-attributes and so forth. And you can see that if you really take this down to the infinite in terms of miniaturisation, there is the potential that each particular thing we could describe has another whole series of attributes and qualities to that particular thing. Well let's now apply that theory to God's nature. [00:45:31.09]

8.1. The primary quality of Divine Love

AJ: Let's examine God's Nature. Let's start with the primary thing we know about God's nature, which is this Divine Love. When we start describing love what qualities do we see? You might have a part of love is called kindness. But that's not the only part of love; by analogy with the eye example you could say love is the object, and kindness is an attribute that describes part of that object. Now kindness itself could be described separately. What other qualities does love have? You have compassion, and that has its own qualities and nature. You have mercy, which has its own qualities and nature. And we could keep listing parts of love; these are all a part of love's attributes and qualities, and they themselves have attributes and qualities of their own. Every single one of those. And if we start analysing what that could describe we may even go deeper and deeper into each thing, even right down to the actual colours. [00:46:57.09]

Divine Love is a major quality of God, which has certain attributes, which in turn have sub-attributes and so forth

8.1.1. Attributes of love have distinct colours, smells and sounds

AJ: One thing that mankind hasn't discovered on Earth very much at this point, is that each one of these qualities has a colour associated with it, and it has a sound associated with it, and it has a smell associated with it; it has all these other attributes associated with these particular emotions. When you enter the spirit world you become a bit more sensitive to all of those things, you actually see the colour. When somebody has a feeling of kindness you see a colour coming out of the person of a specific type that's a part of love, which you see interblended with love, but you see it as a different type of quality and it has a smell, an odour; it's a very aromatic odour in the case of kindness; you can smell the odour of kindness. You can actually smell it on the person and also coming out of the person. And you can hear it as well, as a sound. It has a melody to it, a, a musical song if you like, and so forth. It has all of these attributes and qualities that we've yet to discover on Earth.

AJ: This is why love feels so good; because when somebody is kind to you, for a lot of people when they first experience kindness they are overwhelmed with grief because they don't realise at that point in time that their soul is not just actually feeling the emotion of kindness, but there's a song of kindness, the melody of it, there's the smell of it and the taste of it and the colour of it, and everything is being absorbed by the soul at that point. [00:48:29.18]

Interviewer: Is this natural love and Divine Love?

AJ: Yes it is similar with natural love and Divine Love but Divine Love has different colours to natural love.

8.1.2. We can only receive Divine Love directly from God

AJ: It would also make sense that every single attribute and quality of God has its own odour, its own colour, and all substances that can be felt from God are, in fact, felt from God. If we examine the quality of Divine Love, this is a love that can only come from God's Soul. It can't come from a human soul. Even if you as a human soul have it within you, it still cannot come from you. You can't refer God's Love on to somebody else, as a lot of people who are interested in New Age stuff think that they're able to do. It's only natural love that can do that. You can only give your love to somebody else. In fact, I can't even give your love to somebody else here. I can't give your love to Anto. Only you can give your love to Anto. And it's the same principle with God. Only God can give Her Love to you. Nobody else can do it for Her. There's no mediator in the process. There's no person who's a middle man in the process, which is great when you think about it, because you know you're having a personal relationship under those circumstances.

AJ: With Divine Love, this is the love that comes specifically from God and it has the ability, given certain conditions, to enter the human soul. And Divine Love has characteristics and attributes of its own, which are very, very different to the characteristics and attributes of what I would call natural love. Natural love has certain characteristics and attributes that are different, although sometimes similar in nature. They have different colours, different smells, different tastes, and different sounds than what comes from God. And of course we have the ability as a human race to investigate these matters and actually see them occur as well. [00:50:48.01]

8.2. The primary qualities of Divine Truth and humility

Interviewer: We've talked about love as a major attribute of God. What are the other kinds of core attributes that should be a priority for us to know?

AJ: There are two more probably, of the highest possible qualities, that we need to actually absorb from God. I believe that truth is a quality that can be absorbed from God, and while it exists in its own right, there is also the potential of it being a substance that you can receive from God. Humility is another quality that I believe we can receive from God as well. [00:51:56.09]

Divine Love, Divine Truth and Humility are three primary attributes of God

Interviewer: When you say receive, you mean come to learn about that attribute within God or to actually receive it?

AJ: I mean to actually have a part of that quality enter you from God. For example, in our previous discussion about truth I said that truth can exist without an emotion, but there is the potential, again, of Truth inside of God being some kind of emotional thing that is the basis of all of God's knowledge. It is some kind of thing that exists inside of God that is emotional in nature, that can give us all the knowledge of the universe if we are able to connect to it.

AJ: For humility, I'm not sure whether God has that as a quality. I don't know whether God needs that as a quality, but I know God certainly has what we would define as humility. For example, God has obviously made a lot of very powerful, beautiful things in the universe. One of the things God made in the process was you, who are also potentially a powerful and beautiful thing. And God actually made you with the ability to not listen to God at all. Now to do that requires humility, if you think about it; to actually create something that you have all this amazing knowledge inside of you to create, and then to allow that thing to demonstrate potential anarchy must require a large degree of humility of the person creating; a large ability to let go, a large ability to not control, a large ability to just allow things to happen. [00:53:47.18]

Interviewer: But if God is all love, that would be natural, would it not?

AJ: Of course. This is why, do you argue that humility is a part of love or do you argue that it's a separate thing? Now, my feelings are that humility and truth are separate things to love, and the reason is that a person must first have humility before they can absorb any new truth, and a person must absorb new truth before they can be in a condition of receiving Love. For example, when you first met me you had to allow yourself to absorb the potential truth that God exists as an entity. Before then you thought that God didn't exist at all but you knew that you had some unanswered questions, and you had to have enough humility to decide, "There are questions that I have not answered and I can actually make an experiment where I can attempt to answer those particular questions," and that requires humility. It also requires a desire for truth. You have to desire truth more than you desire your own ego, your own desire for self, or your own desire to be viewed by anybody around you as powerful or knowledgeable or any of those other things. And so I do believe they are separate qualities.

8.3. The primary quality of power

AJ: There's a separate quality I feel God has, which is power. Here I'm talking about universal power, in terms of if you look at everything that's created in the universe, from the laws right the way across to the physical things, the entities. Every single entity that God has ever created, as well as all of the laws, they all have power inherent in them, right down to even atomic and sub-atomic levels that we've discovered at this point in time on Earth; they still have power inherent in them. And if you try to pull those bonds apart you realise how much power you need to actually destroy the power that's in them; therefore they have power inherent in their connection. So power must also be another quality that's a part of God's nature.

8.4. Love is inherent in every quality of God

AJ: Power is a separate part to love, but when I say a separate part to love, it's probably the wrong way of saying it because my feelings are that nothing can actually exist in God's nature without love being inherent in it. In fact everything that I've discovered at this point in time about God has always had love inherent in the quality. And for that reason I've been able to base all experiments that I've had with God on this aspect of love first, more than anything else.

AJ: I feel when people try to experiment with God without love being involved then you're not going to discover very much about God at all, because it appears to me that God's primary quality is love and therefore, that being the case, it would make sense that every other thing that God has ever had as a part of Her nature also has love as its underlying basis. So power, for example, is a loving quality that God exercises. On Earth there is very, very little love in power; in fact most of the time power is exercised very unlovingly here on Earth. God only exercises power in a loving manner.

AJ: We see the same on Earth with so-called humility, which is more what I would class as a deference to others and a putting down of oneself. That's not humility. That's not the kind of humility God has. God doesn't put down Herself or Himself. So I don't describe that as a part of that quality. [00:57:34.22]

AJ: With regard to truth, there are many things on Earth that man thinks are truth but what I'm talking about here is the absolute truth on any one subject. The absolute truth on any subject, for example the subject of colour, can be determined to a large degree by looking at what goes on in the majority of people. Now of course there are people who are colour-blind, who see different colours, but all of us see the shade of white or the colour of black, and we can all agree on those particular shades generally. And so therefore there's a truth involved that all of us observe that is consistent across all of us.

AJ: Now it doesn't mean that an animal sees it the same way. It just means that all of us see it this way. We all interpret it in our brains a certain way. Now as to why a person who's colour-blind, which is a genetic problem, can only see a different colour is yet to be discovered on Earth. But we know that a person who's colour-blind doesn't fit the norm and we know that the norm is to see certain colours a certain way. Because of some kind of genetic issue passed down through the genes of the mother in this case, a person who's colour-blind sees a colour differently and we know that there must be some kind of genetic mutation that's occurred that caused them to see something differently. AJ: And so we can determine the truth of a lot of things physically through that process of just examining what is the general connection.

AJ: But that is not the best way to determine Divine Truth. And the reason is that while there are huge amounts of Divine Truth present on the Earth, very few people can feel God's Love, or feel God's Love enter them, and they are therefore unable to understand Divine Truth very easily. So there has to be another process that we have to engage to understand Divine Truth. And for that reason I feel Divine Truth is a different substance or has a different quality to it than absolute truth itself has, in the sense that Divine Truth requires the reception of Divine Love for it to be completely understood, whereas we can understand other truth through a process of deduction or experimentation quite easily. [01:00:00.12]

AJ: The same applies with the quality of humility that God has, I feel. If you look at the quality of humility in people it's often what I would feel is self-denigration rather than humility. One attribute of humility is modesty.

AJ: Modesty doesn't involve seeing yourself as a terrible creation of God but rather seeing yourself as you truly are, a wonderful creation of God. You can actually be modest and say, "I am wonderful," and it is also humble to say such a thing. So the quality that people believe humility to be on the Earth is often very different to what I see in God, and to what I've felt from God in terms of God's nature in my interaction, my relationship with God.

AJ: And the same goes with the quality of power. The quality of power can obviously exist without God in the sense that we have personal power that God has given to us. He's given us free will to be able to use that personal power in a direction that we decide, based on our desire. This power comes from within us and we can grow in power in some areas and we can reduce in power in other areas. It also makes sense that both of those things are available to God. But again, God's Power is never used out of harmony with love, so therefore God's attribute and quality with regard to power is very different to our own. Human power is very frequently used out of harmony with love, so therefore it must have a different quality or a different attribute than God's. God's Power is never used out of harmony with love. [01:02:00.02]

AJ: The same goes with humility that is a part of God's nature. God's Humility is never used out of harmony with love. God never degrades Herself in any interaction with any person or individual, in particular any person who She's created. But we often see people who are so-called humble on Earth denigrating themselves in order to prove their humility. God doesn't do that.

AJ: The same applies to truth. If we look at God's Truth, God's Truth always involves Divine Love in some aspect of it, and this goes from the physical truths right the way through to all sorts of very complicated emotional truths that we can discover; truths about the universe itself and how it's created, the laws that construct the universe and so forth. There's all this love inherent in every single one of those qualities. On Earth you can discover truth without love. So that tells me that the nature of truth within the individual is very different to the nature of truth that comes from God, Divine Truth.

AJ: You could say for every one of these qualities that I'm now describing about God; we've got Divine Truth, which is very, very different to human truth. We've got Divine Humility which is very, very different in its nature to human humility. And we've got Divine Power, which is very different in its nature to the way humans exercise power. This tells me that the nature of God is far more advanced than our own nature, because every single quality we look at that is inherent within ourselves, which also must be inherent within God (and when we examine the universe we can see the proof of that) is very, very different in the way it's displayed. And it's always displayed with the underlying feeling of love throughout, inherent in every single one of these other qualities about God that we can discover. And that's why I feel discovering God's Love is the most important thing; because once you discover God's Love all these other understandings come to you. [01:04:10.12]

9. God's attributes and qualities can be discovered and absorbed by receiving Divine Love

Interviewer: So you learned all of these things through the receiving of Divine Love?

AJ: Yes, once I had received Divine Love to a certain point. For example, for yourself as a scientist, before you believed in God, before you as a scientist had any interaction with God, you did have the quality of humility, to a degree. You decided to investigate something that you didn't know, and it takes humility to do that, to say, "I don't know, I'm going to go ahead and make some mistakes and investigate and experiment". That requires humility. You also had a desire for some kind of truth inside of you, otherwise you would never have become a scientist, right? You would never have desired any more truth than what your parents had already taught you, which you would have believed is true, even though some of it is not.

AJ: These kinds of qualities had to be a part of you, inherent in your nature, before you even started the process of seeing whether Divine Love actually exists. But as Divine Love enters you, what I've found is that a part of the divinity of all these other things enter you as well, and what that means then is that as God's Love enters me my flavour of humility changes. So while before I was only humble when it came to external matters, as soon as some of God's Love enters me I become more humble about internal matters, about matters of the heart; how I feel. When I examine truth I become more humble about what kind of truth I can examine. Before I would have gone, "I can only examine truth about physical matters or physical things that I can scientifically measure," and now, as you are learning, you can now experiment and measure things that are beyond that; that are different to that; that would not normally be an acceptable way of discovering truth in a scientific community. You discovered that you can create scientific experiments that actually discover truth, and so the flavour of truth that you're open to changed. As soon as you discovered this first thing the flavour of everything changes. It all starts to change from being what we are personally capable of demonstrating as a quality coming from within ourselves into qualities that we're not personally able to demonstrate without God's Love first coming into our soul and transforming it in some way. [01:06:43.23]

Interviewer: So it's a bit like a snowball, like going down a mountain and picking up all these other bits as it goes along, growing and growing and growing.

AJ: Exactly, yeah. A wonderful thing about God's nature is that God's always sharing Her nature through this love. So while I might have to have a few qualities inside of myself before I begin the process, once I begin the process of connecting with God it starts transforming my soul's nature. It starts manipulating its form, in terms of expansion, but also transforming its nature into something that wasn't actually originally created to be. Now the soul is going through a transformational process of growth, where it is only originally able to be a certain size without God, and all of a sudden parts of God's nature, particularly God's Love, start entering it. All of a sudden now the soul's got this larger nature and now having a part of God's nature in that particular quality.

AJ: So you began with humility. Obviously to be a scientist you have to have some, but now you have far more humility than you had then because part of God's nature has entered you and in that process you've gone, "Oh wow, but there's this and there's that and there's this and there's all these other things I could experiment with that I didn't know about before and, wow!" And now you are far more open to more truth as a result of that. And so as we receive this first part of God's nature, Divine Love into the human soul, it has the ability for us to now begin absorbing other parts or characteristics of God's nature; they become a part of us as well. And I feel that's one amazing thing about God. [01:08:31.08]

Interviewer: It's incredibly generous.

AJ: Exactly. Which is another quality of Divine Love, generosity. Generosity is another part of love and, and in fact any person who receives a part of God's nature with regard to love will become automatically more generous. They will become more generous with their time; they will become more generous with their knowledge; they won't require a cost associated with their knowledge; they will never charge for their knowledge, and so forth; automatically.

God's qualities become part of our souls as we receive Divine Love

AJ: That's a part of God's nature. God doesn't do that and neither does any person who's become more God-like. When a religion charges for something or when a business charges for something, that tells you that they're yet to absorb part of Divine Love with regard to the way they operate, because if they had previously, they could no longer do such a thing. And what I like about that is that there is a way to measure whether a person is actually becoming more Divine in their nature by seeing whether they've become more like God in their nature, in the way God operates with us.

9.1. Becoming more like God's nature is an indicator of progression

Interviewer: So it's a barometer for ourselves as well?

AJ: It is a barometer for ourselves. It's a barometer for our own progression. For example, if we still give our time wanting something in return, then we know we've yet to receive a part of God's Divine Love that would cause us to stop doing that. A person who's received Divine Love to a certain degree would never do that anymore. If I try to constrain you in some way that's not loving to the environment or based on some kind of emotion of anger or frustration that I have with you, then I know I haven't received Divine Love because if I had I would have God's nature on that matter. What does God do with you? God doesn't punish you or try to constrain you just when you try to do something that is out of harmony with God. God has laws that correct you, so I would still attempt to correct you but I wouldn't not love you anymore. I wouldn't be angry with you anymore.

AJ: So that tells me that if you did something that I viewed as wrong and I was angry with you as a result, now obviously I have some work to do with God's nature, because I've yet to receive God's nature properly. If I'm fully at-one with God I would never be angry with you no matter what you chose to do; even if you chose to kill me I'd still not be angry with you. And that would tell me that I have now received a lot of God's nature to the point where I'm now at-one, or have the same way of feeling on that particular matter as God is. [01:11:23.07]

9.2. The primary qualities of intelligence and wisdom

Interviewer: Getting back to the other attributes, obviously there's intelligence, and logical reasoning.

AJ: Yeah, so shall we call that intelligence then? And wisdom. Wisdom is different to intelligence in that we can be very intelligent and have no wisdom at all. Wisdom is the way we apply intelligence; it's the way intelligence is used. Certainly God obviously has an infinite amount of wisdom considering how He's built our bodies, our souls, and our interaction with every single thing. There are huge amounts of wisdom inside of the creation of God's Intelligence, so I feel that they are separate qualities of God.

Interviewer: It seems to work that the more you grow in love, the more you grow in these attributes as well, regardless of whether you were getting them from God. It seems that the higher you are in love the more wise you are, the more humble you are and...

AJ: And the more intelligent you become.

Interviewer: It's not just because you're getting the attributes from God, but it's an expression of the love?

AJ: Well what happens as we receive the Divine Love is that it transforms all of our natural qualities and attributes inside of our soul. We can have all of these qualities and attributes occurring naturally without having any connection with God. As I said, before I met you, you had the quality of desire for truth and desire for humility already within your soul, otherwise you could never have taken on the job of being a scientist; it would never have been available to you if you didn't have some of those qualities. And also intelligence obviously had to be there; you had to intellectually understand what you were examining, and so there has to be some level of intelligence available to you to even do that. And so obviously some of those qualities existed, but as Divine Love enters you these qualities change in their flavour, they change in the way in which you express them, and they also expand in their ability to be utilised and also understood. And so, yes, you now have a far larger degree of wisdom, for example, as you receive Divine Love, because before you would have been very much like many scientists.

AJ: When I first met you, you were very much intellectually examining everything, with very little connection with your own emotion; very little of what I would have called emotional intelligence. You didn't really understand yourself very well in terms of what was going on in your life, your relationships and all those kind of things. Your work life was fine but all the other bits were difficult, right? And so obviously there wasn't much emotional intelligence there at the time. But then as you received Divine Love, all of a sudden you start growing this emotional intelligence, you start seeing, "Oh, I can feel that from this person. That's different to what they're telling me. You know I'm feeling this but if I act upon what they're telling me I'll get myself in trouble. If I act on what I'm feeling from them now, I'll be in far more harmony; I won't have as much trouble in my life." [01:14:37.18]

AJ: And so as we work our way through and receive some more of this Love from God, we find ourselves expanding in all of these other ways in that we're becoming more like God. That's what it really feels like. When we receive some Divine Love all of a sudden we're more truthful, we're more humble, we have a bit more power to exercise, we have more intelligence and we have more wisdom. As I said in the first century, "All these other things will be added to you." When most people read that they don't really understand completely what that means. What I'm saying is; all these other qualities that we often try to develop singularly or separately can be added to you as you receive this Love.

Receiving God's Love automatically develops us in other areas

AJ: And this is the amazing thing about the Love; it has the power of its own that seems to manipulate all other qualities. That in itself is an amazing fact, if we examine that. What we're basically saying is that if I want to grow any quality inside of my own personal nature, the fastest way for that to grow is by my receiving and acting upon the love that I receive from God. And if I do that then all of these other things will grow automatically as well, and I have the ability to expand. The love is like the food of expansion in all these other areas as well. So while these are different qualities of God as I said, every single one of these qualities in God has God's Love as a part of the quality. [01:16:25.20]

9.3. Receiving God's Love enables us to get to know God

Interviewer: And so as you grow you can actually get to know God by seeing how you've changed yourself?

AJ: Exactly.

Interviewer: So that's how you discovered it all.

AJ: Exactly.

Interviewer: Cool.

9.4. Becoming more like God's nature is an automatic result of receiving Divine Love

AJ: That's the experiment. The real experiment is not the experiments that we can do externally; the real experiment is the experiment that we do with our soul. And if we engage that experiment with God, we can receive this Divine Love and then measure our own condition over a period of time in different areas; our humility, our power, our intelligence, our wisdom. We could start writing down hundreds and hundreds of different qualities that we'd like to develop within ourselves; kindness, compassion, mercy, generosity; all these other love-based qualities, and intelligence, understanding, knowledge; all these intellectual-based qualities. We can write down power, desire, passion; all those things that are involved in power.

AJ: We could write down all of those qualities and then we can experiment. We could say right, let's take a photograph of us emotionally. Let's write down today how we are with all those particular things, and then in a year's time after we've experimented with receiving Divine Love, let's take another photograph emotionally by writing down all of how we feel about these same things now, and have we noticed change? Now if you haven't noticed change, what I'm saying is you've not received Divine Love. If you've noticed change, in a positive direction, then you've definitely received some. If you've been longing for it you've definitely received some. Now it is possible for a person to change without receiving Divine Love, but with Divine Love the change is far more rapid.

AJ: I've seen people in the spirit world, for example on an issue of generosity over a thousand years, where a thousand years ago they weren't very generous at all and now a thousand years later they've learnt to be generous. But I've seen a person who has received Divine Love change between those two conditions in two minutes, in terms of Earth time. So that tells me that the power of receiving Divine Love on the soul has far more expression than if I try to develop the quality myself without love, without God's Love involved. [01:18:32.13]

9.4.1. An example of growing in passion and desire

Interviewer: For passion and desire, they are within us but they are also attributes of God, and they can also grow as well?

AJ: Definitely. If you think of power, inside power there are different qualities. Passion is one of the qualities of power. Desire is one of the qualities of power, and so forth.

AJ: There are others of course, which we can list, but if we just look at those particular qualities, as I receive Divine Love, these will grow. As my passion for the universe grows my desire for things that are in harmony with love grow. The desire for things out of harmony with love automatically shrinks as well. So previously I might have decided to harm people, but now I don't anymore, because my desire out of harmony with love shrinks. Therefore how I use my power comes more and more into harmony with how God expresses Her Power and this is what happens with every quality.

AJ: You can list all sorts of qualities that God has; they all have sub-attributes. Then as we receive Divine Love we'll notice these things changing in us, and they become more God-like in their expression or more loving in their expression automatically, not something we try to do. It's not like I have to educate myself, "Oh I've got to remember to be more loving." It's not like that at all; it's automatic.

AJ: When we've got to say, "Oh, I've got to be more loving here. It's best for me to work out how to be more loving here," we're not understanding because the reality is that as we receive Divine Love we don't have to work it out anymore; it's automatic. Passion is automatic. Desire is automatic. Desire in harmony with love is more automatic and desire in disharmony with love becomes less automatic, to the point where it can't even exist at all. I can't even do anything out of harmony with love once I've become at-one with God. I can't. It's physically impossible for me to do it. And this is the beauty of receiving love as the primary connection with God; as we receive love then all these other qualities all develop and become more harmonious with divinity. They're no longer in harmony with how I would do it, they're now in harmony with how God does it. [01:20:52.06]

9.5. God's qualities are present throughout the universe

Interviewer: So all of these things are expressed in the universe through God's creation. Are there any that up until now have been absent on Earth, but that are obvious in the spirit world or in higher dimensions, and that if you improve the soul condition they will become more apparent?

AJ: I don't know if it could be said, Luli, that there's any quality of God that is absent anywhere in the universe, because the more I discover the universe myself and the more I discover in terms of receiving Divine Love, the more I see God's nature inherent everywhere. So I've visited the hells of the spirit world; in the first dimension there are very, very dark areas in the spirit world where people exist who are what most people on Earth would classify as very evil. And even when I visit those locations I see God's Love inherent in the location itself, in the way in which God's treating that particular person. And so there is a substance of God's Love everywhere, even in the darkest places of the universe. What I feel can be assumed from that is that all of God's qualities are able to be received in any location in the universe. In some locations it's more difficult to receive it in than others but it is still present in some form in those locations. And in fact what I currently believe, and I feel this is a great basic Divine Truth as well, is that if there was such a thing as the complete absence of any or all of God's qualities in a location, then that particular location could no longer exist. [01:22:49.11]

Interviewer: Within the universe?

AJ: Within the universe. So in other words it's a physical impossibility for a location to have none of God's qualities existing in it.

9.6. Discovering God's attributes by developing a relationship with God

Interviewer: Could you tell me some more of the attributes that we haven't covered?

AJ: Well, as I said, every attribute and quality has all these sub-attributes and qualities. When I list the attribute of love, for example, we could probably list lots and lots of different qualities that are sub-attributes of love, and then describe every single one of those qualities in terms of how God exercises them, and we could do the same with truth, Divine Truth. We could do the same with humility; we could do the same with God's power, and intelligence and wisdom and so forth. [01:23:48.16]

AJ: I feel the main thing though for most people to get from this discussion is that we have the ability to go through this experimentation process ourselves. We don't have to rely on Jesus or some other person telling us what God is like. We can actually discover a lot of what God is like for ourselves. We can go through the process ourselves of discovering what God is like. And so, if you think about it, the actual experiment of receiving Divine Love into our own soul becomes the important thing perhaps to discuss, more than anything else, because that's what establishes the personal relationship; that's what allows us to eventually see God's attributes and qualities.

AJ: So we can have a discussion where Jesus lists all of the attributes and qualities of God, and we go, "Oh yeah, that's another interesting attribute and quality," and we can examine it all from an intellectual perspective, but never experience the quality; never actually feel that quality inside of ourselves, never actually display it ourselves because we have yet to feel it from God and therefore it's yet to enter us, and never actually understand anything about the universe. We can go through the entire discussion of God's attributes and qualities without really understanding a single thing from an emotional perspective or from an experiential perspective, from our personal experience.

AJ: Once we receive Divine Love into our soul, now we're going through an experience. The beauty of going through the experience is that now when we talk about God's kindness, and we actually go through an experience where we feel God's kindness, now we can feel the attribute of God. And also, because it's now inside of us, we'll be able to start reflecting that attribute of God to other people who are around us, reflecting the kindness to another person. This allows us to experience God through this connection or this relationship. It's a real relationship that we're developing with God. [01:26:05.09]

Receiving Divine Love by developing a relationship with God enables us to learn about God's attributes and qualities

AJ: And through the relationship, we're going through this wonderful process of discovering ourselves and discovering our potential; not just what we are now, but our future potential.

AJ: We'll also discover God Herself through the process as well because we're receiving part of God's attributes and qualities as we change and then, when we talk to another individual about God, we don't have to say, "Oh do you think God's like this?" or, "Do you think God's like that?" because we already know. We've already felt it and we've already experienced it. We've already experienced a change in our own life in the way that we've demonstrated the reflection of that love to others. And so now we know that God has this quality of power. We also know how God delivers power to the universe, because I've actually personally experienced it, and that's how I deliver my power to the universe as well. Once I've personally experienced it from God and I've experienced that change me, I now deliver my power to the universe in the same way God delivers Her Power to the universe. And as I go through that personal experiment I am now able, without any person's assistance, to say, "I know what God's nature and quality is with this attribute of power," for example.

AJ: Of course I do want to talk about God's attributes and qualities, but more importantly I feel that we need to experience them rather than talk about them. We can talk about them for a long period of time without experiencing them, and that is a sad thing I feel. If you look at almost all of the religions on this planet, they've talked about God until they were blue in the face, you could say. And for many of them they've literally talked about God until they've died without actually feeling any part of God in their nature. In other words, by the time of their death they are still wanting to kill people, for example. They still want to impose their will upon other people. They still want to conquer. AJ: They still want to do all sorts of other things, which are obviously completely against the very nature of God about whom they've been discussing their entire life. So I do feel that there is a danger in a discussion such as this, and the danger is discussing all of this intellectual knowledge without feeling any of it. And if we discuss it all without feeling any of it, it does not have any power, it doesn't change our life, and it doesn't change other people's lives either as a result. If we discuss it and then experiment and feel it, now we have the ability to change other people's lives. Now we have the ability to change completely. [01:28:56.08]

AJ: I feel that when any person discusses God's nature, qualities and attributes, it is very, very important they discuss it from a point of view of attempting to experience those qualities; to actually feel them enter themselves, rather than just discussing the qualities as a purely psychological and philosophical discussion. We don't want to discuss God's nature and qualities like that, because if we do that, at some point in the future we would end up dead and still have not changed one single bit from that discussion, and therefore the world around us won't have changed in a positive direction either through our existence on Earth.

AJ: If we allow ourselves to get away from the philosophy and the psychology and into the experience, now we have the ability firstly to transform our own self through the reception of Divine Love, but as we receive Divine Love all of a sudden our nature and qualities, our humility, our truth, our power, our intelligence, our wisdom, our love, has been infused with these attributes that come from the Divine, and so now we have the ability to reflect this divinity on Earth and change the Earth around us, change people around us, through our interactions with them. It has power in our life then. It's pointless having an intellectual discussion without the power of it ever being experienced.

AJ: That being said, if we discuss some of the qualities of God, and maybe we will discuss them in the future in more detail, we need to get to experience them before the discussion will benefit us in any way.

9.7. Developing a relationship with God creates change

AJ: And if you think about your own experience over the last few years since you've known me - how long has it been now? It's been a couple of years hasn't it? [01:30:59.06]

Interviewer: Almost four.

AJ: Almost four. Time goes fast when you're having fun, doesn't it?

Interviewer: Yes.

AJ: Or not having so much fun (laughter), depending on the emotions that come up. But if you think about it, when you first met me, if you think about the experience of your life, you found the relationship issues in your life fairly consistent. They didn't change very much. In the last four years, if you notice since meeting me, unfortunately sometimes (chuckles), you've had huge changes in your life, and change is what happens when you start receiving Divine Love too. You feel motivated to change rapidly. You're not content with staying still anymore. You're not content with absorbing the environment's desires upon you and staying constrained by the environment. You want to expand and you want to grow, you want to change. All these desires that perhaps you didn't have before, or didn't know how to exercise before, enter you and that's the other beauty of this relationship. It is that you have the ability to expand and grow through the relationship as well.

10. God's primary qualities of change and personality

10.1. The primary quality of change

AJ: And so I feel one of God's primary qualities is actually change. Change is a part of God. That tells me God must be changing but it also tells me that if I want to get close to God I've got to continuously change. I've got to always grow, always change. So growth, or change, is important. What other qualities do you feel there might be, Luli? [01:33:00.09]

Interviewer: Ah.... (Laughter)

AJ: Can you see, when I ask that question, we can sort of use our intellect a bit can't we and we can go, "Okay, what qualities are inside of me," which obviously God must have, because if they got inside of me somehow they had to come from somewhere.

10.2. God's personality

Interviewer: Right, so I was going to ask about personality and humour?

AJ: Okay, personality, yeah and a part of personality is things like humour and so forth, that's an attribute of personality.

Interviewer: You were saying in the interview last week on "The Human Soul - Qualities and Attributes," that we're all given a part of God's personality.

AJ: A unique part of God's personality. This is one of the things that I feel has definitely occurred. The way I feel at the moment is that God has an infinite number of aspects to Her personality and then in each individual God has created a specific aspect of Her personality that isn't inherent in any other human soul that God has created. The only way I can discover this particular aspect of God's personality is by actually interacting with the person who has it.

AJ: And this is how God has involved us in the process of discovery of Herself, but also involved us in the process of discovery of ourselves. Once we engage that particular aspect of our nature or personality in an active manner, that's the time we're going to grow the fastest towards our pure creation, towards what God created us to be. [01:35:02.12]

10.2.1. Humour is a sub-attribute of God's personality

Interviewer: So if humour is a part of personality...

AJ: There's somebody on Earth or in the spirit world who has the best sense of humour.

Interviewer: God must just find everything funny.

AJ: He does.

Interviewer: Because everybody's senses of humour are so different.

AJ: Exactly.

Interviewer: God must be constantly amused.

AJ: Of course. Wouldn't you be?

Interviewer: I don't know. (Laughs)

AJ: Well, if you're looking at all of that you'd be constantly happy, wouldn't you, as well as joyful in all your interactions?

Interviewer: If I were God? (Laughs)

AJ: You'd be constantly amused. Some things would just strike you as very, very funny. Remember we have different aspects and qualities to humour; for example irony is one type of an aspect or quality of humour. Sometimes God finds things very ironic, when He observes things happening on Earth or in the spirit world that occur in a certain way; there is a lot of irony in that. And there are a lot of those kinds of qualities, all the aspects of humour if you examine them on Earth. Now of course there are aspects of humour that are on Earth that don't exist in God. Those aspects are the aspects that we've developed ourselves which are out of harmony, or in disharmony, with love. For example, there's an aspect of humour you could call sarcasm; that isn't a part of God's nature. [01:36:25.00]

Interviewer: Because it's based on anger?

AJ: Because it's based on anger and pulling a person down and making the person feel small and a lot of other unloving characteristics, and so sarcasm is not a part of God's Nature. And once we become at-one with God sarcasm will not be a part of our own nature. But there are other aspects of humour which will remain. So, as we receive Divine Love, every single quality that we potentially have will become purified in its nature and totally in harmony with God's Love.

10.2.2. Aspects of our personality grow and change as we receive Divine Love

Interviewer: All of these aspects that you've listed as you said can enter us and change us, but personality is different, because our personalities don't change when we grow in love, do they? Or do they?

AJ: Yeah, how do they not? I feel they do grow; they certainly grow. They change in the sense of growing, in terms of the way they're expressed. For example, when I was full of very sad emotions obviously my sense of humour was not very present, and my sense of humour might have been based around sarcasm and rage at the system or at the world or at particular individuals. Once I've received Divine Love, then my humour grows and changes the personality trait; the way I express my humour changes so the sarcasm is destroyed, or the parts that are out of harmony with love get destroyed, and the parts that are in harmony with love become a part of my nature.

AJ: Once I become at-one with God I'm still in a process of continual change. I have now discovered my nature but not discovered how big it can be. It's still going to grow; it's still going to change. The way in which I express my personality is going to change and my personality will become bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger as a part of this growth and change. I also have the ability, if you think about it, using my intelligence, to select a certain characteristic within myself that I do have and to grow that specifically, if I desire to. I do have the ability to select certain of my attributes and qualities and to personally put an effort into those particular attributes and qualities. [01:38:45.12]

11. God's primary quality of power (continued)

Interviewer: Moving back to the quality of God's Power, is that power inherent within God, and is that the power that created the whole universe and sustains the whole universe?

11.1. God has created layers of power within the universe

AJ: It's even bigger than that. Remember I said to you earlier that the universe itself is made up of certain substances in that certain particles make up the physical universe. They are different to particles that make up the other dimensions in the universe. If we call the physical universe a combination of dimensions, there are certain particles that make up the physical universe that are separate to particles that make up the spiritual universes, and then separate to the particles that make up the soul universes that have been discovered at this point that are more based on the soul. Now, we could then assume that there is a separate layer of particles above that that makes up the laws, and then there's a separate layer of particles that make up God. We examine it from that perspective, in an onion layer-type perspective.

Different types of particles make up the physical (P), spiritual (SP), soul dimensions and God's laws in the universe

AJ: When we look at the power, you've got the universal power, which is power being expressed in a physical manner. That's like the power of the sun, the power of our Earth and what it can generate, the power of the moon and what it can do to the Earth; that's the physical power available to the physical elements. The power of an atom, what that can display. If you look at the power of an atom, it can display some pretty amazing things. [01:40:19.11]

Interviewer: Pretty powerful.

AJ: Pretty powerful. These are all physical things that are powerful. Then if we put the other layer around, there's also the spiritual, what you'd classify as spiritual things, or let's call them physical things in other dimensions; that is probably a better term for them. They obviously had different types of particles that make up those particular elements that make up the spiritual existences, and there are different layers of power in that existence. Then you've got the laws that constrain. So those two things added together, the physical and the spiritual are like the universe, but then there are the laws that make up and constrain those particular universes, and they have to be more powerful than the universes themselves. So now we have another layer of power. These layers of power are still below God, because God created these laws, which are a layer of power that constrain the universe and constrain everything in the universe; they control it so that it doesn't fall into anarchy. So the laws themselves have to be greater in power than the actual physical universe or the actual spiritual universe.

There are increasing layers of power from the physical to the spiritual dimensions, which are constrained by God's laws, which are the most powerful

AJ: Now of course each type of universe has its own set of laws. The physical universe has physical laws and obviously the laws that constrain the physical universe have to be greater than the physical universe itself. And the laws that constrain the spiritual universe have to be greater than the physical and spiritual universe themselves, because the spiritual universe is more powerful than the physical, and it would make sense that the laws that constrain them must also be more powerful. So we've got the physical universe, we've got the spiritual universe, and we've got the soul-based universes that have now been discovered, and the laws must still control all of that.

AJ: This tells me a lot firstly about God and the way God uses power, but it also tells me a lot about power itself and the qualities of power. Power has priority systems; power can be used in different priority systems. There are levels of power available. There are levels of power of what controls the physical, levels of power of what control the spiritual, that is, the other physical dimensional spaces. There are levels of power of what control the soul. And these powerful laws have to be more powerful than the laws that control the smaller layer, if you like.

AJ: And so this tells me a lot about power and the way God displays power. God displays power in different gradients or degrees based on what kind of universe or what kind of thing is being controlled by the power. And God's highest creation that we've discovered at the moment is the human soul, and the laws that constrain the human soul are far more powerful than the laws that constrain the physical universe and our spirit body and our physical body.

AJ: That tells me a lot about God too, about how God has created this prioritised system with regard laws, this hierarchy of law, and that tells me how God is also powerful. God has a hierarchy of power as well, which is part of the characteristics of power and the power of the greater things. For instance the soul is going to have much more power than a physical thing like your body. Your entire body is actually going to be controlled not by you using your mind, which is a part of the spirit existence, but by you using your soul, which is part of the soul existence. This tells me that the way you exercise power, if it's based upon the soul - in other words, based upon feelings, emotions, desires, passions and longings and those kind of parts of the soul - is going to be far more powerful than if it's based upon your intellect. So you can discover lots of different things about how to use power when you see how God has designed power in the universe.

AJ: And the same can be said with intelligence, wisdom and a lot of other qualities. There is this hierarchy of layers, some of which are more important than others and some of which are worthy of focusing our attention on. For example, in terms of discovery, if I focus my attention just upon the physical, I am focusing my attention upon the least powerful. If I am focusing my attention on my soul, I've at least gone up two orders of power in terms of what I have the capacity to change. And if I'm focused upon the laws that govern my soul I've gone a further step in terms of examining the way the universe works, and examining what God must have created, and therefore what must exist inside of God in terms of Her nature.

11.2. Understanding the hierarchy of power shows us where to focus to have the greatest effect

AJ: So when I look at it from that perspective, I go, okay, the best way to use my effort is not physically. The best way to use my effort is to engage the physical spiritual upon the soul and upon the laws and upon my connection with God. That's the best way to use my effort. Once I do that, when I understand how God's power is created than I can start going, "Well where's the best place to put my effort?" If I want to focus my effort on the physical only, which is what a lot of people do, they just focus their effort on their physical life... [01:46:27.23]

Interviewer: Virtually everybody.

AJ: Virtually everybody, yeah, until they pass, focus their effort on their physical life - and even after they pass they still often try to focus their effort on their physical life on Earth. You can see that I've now taken away the ability of my spirit life, of these far more powerful aspects of my life; I've created an inability in myself to actually absorb any truths from those areas of my life. It's like creating a beautiful person, scarring them all up and chaining them. That's what I'm doing to myself by doing that. I'm constraining myself so markedly as to be almost beyond recognition if I do that.

Focusing on the physical gives us the least amount of power in our lives

AJ: If I allow myself through this relationship with God to discover how God uses power, I can then discover a lot about the laws of the universe and the power in the laws of the universe, and I can focus on the laws that have the most power associated with them. And the one law that has the most power associated with it is the Law of Divine Love The law that constrains the usage of God's Love in the universe has the greatest effect. Therefore anything that I learn about the Law of Divine Love should be my highest priority because it's going to have the largest effect on my soul, the largest effect on the souls around me, therefore the largest effect on my physical environment and the largest effect on my spiritual environment.

AJ: I see people focusing their intention on the metaphysical, on the spiritual environment. You see a lot of New Age people and people in religion focusing their intentions primarily on the metaphysical, what they think might exist in the realms beyond the physical. Why are you focusing your intention on that? That is the second layer. The Laws of Love are the highest layer you could ever focus your intention on. Focus your intention on there and you'll automatically discover all the rest as a part of the process.

12. God's primary quality of simplicity

AJ: One of the other things that I feel is a part of God's nature is this, the quality of simplicity. That's why there's the principle of Occam's Razor; whatever is the simplest explanation is probably the truth. And that is because God has inherent in part of Her nature this desire for simplicity. If we're humble enough to accept the simple we can often discover the most powerful things in the universe as a result. If we're constantly attracted to the complex, the opposite to simple, we're not going to discover much of the universe at all. There are people who are so addicted to their own intelligence that they want to only examine the complex and they can't even conceive of examining the simple. And yet by examining the simple they would far exceed their current abilities to examine the complex. I feel this is all part of God's beautiful nature being demonstrated through all of these things occurring. [01:49:45.13]

Interviewer: And it's obviously very loving to make it possible therefore for everybody to learn about the universe.

AJ: Yes, and that's why I said if you become like a child, a child loves the simple in terms of understanding. I'm not saying that there won't be any complex things in the universe to understand, I'm saying to focus on the simple thing, which is the Divine Love entering our soul; that is very, very simple to understand, a two year old child can understand it. Anybody can do it. And so if we focus on that simple thing all these other things, all this other complexity, all this other knowledge, all this other understanding, all this other love, all this other truth, all these other qualities that are a part of God, all become a part of myself, and so my nature changes automatically.

AJ: If I focus on the complex I won't understand anything about the universe in the long run and that's why the people who are still focused on the complex have stagnated in their progression in the sixth dimension of the spirit world. They cannot progress beyond that point because they don't understand one of God's qualities, simplicity. This one quality that is not understood can stagnate an entire life. One quality of God that we don't understand can stagnate our life for as long as we choose to stagnate our life. And that's a scary thought in a way, because we could ignore one quality of God and that one quality of God could be the only reason why we're not progressing. [01:51:20.22]

13. The quality of God of wanting a relationship with everyone

13.1. Receiving Divine Love via the Holy Spirit

Interviewer: The way that God gives us love is through the Holy Spirit. What is that?

AJ: Well, you could describe the Holy Spirit this way. Here's God (drawing on the board), with masculine and feminine qualities, and here's our soul, our half of the soul if we think of it from that point of view. Love has to flow somehow between the two things. Remember I said that love was a substance. You could think of love like water, and often certain books like the Bible portray love as water. If you think of love like water, water is a substance that flows and it is constrained by the pipe. Well the pipe that love flows through from God is called the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit enables Divine Love to flow from God into a half soul

Interviewer: It's pretty flexible. It moves everywhere, and it's connected to everybody.

AJ: It's flexible in terms of location and its ability to connect. It's not flexible with regard to truth. It's totally inflexible. In other words, if we're out of harmony with truth at any one point in time, or out of harmony with how we connect with the Holy Spirit, it's impossible to connect to it. Impossible. And many people on Earth believe they're connecting to the Holy Spirit when they're just connecting to a person on the spirit world in another connection.

AJ: So say here's myself, my half of the soul, and here's Luli, the person I'm now speaking with (drawing on the board). We too can have a connection and things can flow between us. I would call that spirit. In other words, again it's a pipe, and it is a physical pipe that you can see in the spirit world that flows between two people that are interacting in any way. If we're interacting primarily on an intellectual level, that pipe will be a certain colour, a certain nature, have a dark greenish-type tinge. If we're interacting with each other in a truthful manner the pipe will go into a blue, a bit darker than a sky blue. We will be able to interact with each other and you'll see this colour, this attribute if you like, which is the spirit of the connection. It's like a pipe. You see it as a cord in the spirit world that connects us, like an electrical cable with plugs. [01:53:49.02]

There is a spirit that flows between human souls who are communicating, which is distinct from the Holy Spirit, which flows from God to a soul

AJ: The way we can think of the Holy Spirit is as an electrical cable that plugs from God into the soul of any one of the human souls, the highest of God's creations, as long as the conditions favourable for the connection can be maintained. And the primary condition favourable for the connection is truth, Divine Truth, not our own truth. That's the primary condition. The secondary condition is humility, a willingness for us to actually deal with any emotion that comes up in us as a result of the connection. Those two things have to be maintained and the connection with the Holy Spirit can be maintained. If those two things are not present, the Holy Spirit cannot connect, and therefore Love cannot flow. It's quite simple and a child can understand it.

AJ: If I'm not humble and I'm not in harmony with God's Truth then I'm not going to be able to have this connection with God where love can flow between me and God. But if I am humble and I have a connection with God's Truth, now something can flow between me and God.

13.2. Conditions for forming a relationship

AJ: It's very, very similar between us. If I have an openness to receiving whatever it is you wish to give, and you have an openness to receiving whatever I wish to give, and I have a desire to give and you have a desire to give - those four particular things must exist - then something can flow between us, whatever that is. It might be intellectual knowledge, if we're talking about something intellectual. It could be something to do with wisdom that can flow between us. It could be something to do with our personality. We could be having a laugh about a certain subject and that can flow between us. There will be some connection. Those four conditions must exist.

AJ: If we look at it from the perspective of our relationship with God, we've got the four conditions that must exist. I have to have a desire, there has to be a desire that exists in me, coming from me towards God. There has to be a desire in God to receive it; God has to want to receive my desire. Three, there has to be a desire from God towards myself and fourth, there has to be a desire in me to receive that, to actually get that from God.

AJ: If you look at all of those things, that tells us a lot about God too. It tells us that the way God's created every interaction between us as individuals is that for you and me to have a connection there has to be something in you that wants something from me, something in you that also wants to give something to me; something in me that wants something from you, and something in me that wants to give something to you. If that happens we'll have quite a pure connection and a longstanding connection on any particular matter generally. Those same conditions exist between myself and God. And if that's the case, then that tells me a lot about God. That tells me that God has a desire for me that I just need to recognise, and God has a desire to give me gifts that I just need to accept, I need to be open to accept. And this tells me that one of God's qualities is that God wants a relationship. God wants a relationship with every person.

13.3. How God feels about receiving our love

Interviewer: What effect does it have on God when we project love at God?

AJ: It has an amazing effect on God, of course. Like, what effect does it have on you when somebody loves you?

Interviewer: That's a varied response. (Laughs)

AJ: That's a varied response! (Laughs) Depends on whether you want to be loved in the first place.

Interviewer: Exactly.

AJ: Well, let's assume God wants your love. What do you feel God would feel then?

Interviewer: It would be lovely.

AJ: You see one thing that a lot of people on Earth don't understand, and a lot of people in the spirit world don't grasp either, is this; God has given you the ability to not give something to God because God gave you free will. God gave you your own will to exercise however you see fit. Under those circumstances, you can see that God gave you the ability to not love God. In fact the only thing that you can give God that God isn't able to take from you is your love, if you think about it; your will, your love, your will to love God. Now imagine that for a moment from God's perspective. You've created billions and billions and billions of children and in your love for them you've given them all the ability to not love you, and in fact a lot of them don't. What do you think you would feel when somebody decided to love you for the first time? [01:59:51.12]

Interviewer: It would be great.

AJ: Wouldn't it?

Interviewer: Yeah.

AJ: Yeah. It'd be something you'd been longing for for all of their existence, longing that they'd come to terms with it themselves, that they'd actually desire it from within their own heart, and then all of a sudden they desire it within their own heart for some reason, and away they go, all of a sudden they start wanting to love you. You can feel the emotion that would be present, yes? It'd be just so amazing. You imagine as a parent having a child and then the child's a hundred years old or two hundred years old, five hundred years old, a thousand years old, they still don't love you, and then all of a sudden the child decides to love you, how much of an effect that would have on the parent. That's the effect we have on God when we love God. It's the same effect.

13.3.1. Milestones in our relationship with God

AJ: And when we first engage this desire to love God, it's like - you can imagine God, up there, wherever God exists beyond those universes that we've been talking about, just leaping for joy in Her heart as a result of one, just one, of God's children, the pinnacle of Her creation, deciding to love God for the first time. And then how would you feel once that love became permanent? That would be such an incredible time. It's a bit like when you first discover somebody in a relationship. Initially there's a feeling of being a bit interested, and that's a nice feeling, having someone a bit interested. Well for most of us on the planet who have some form of a connection with God, we're really just still a bit interested. We're not really yet in the state where we're permanently interested in this relationship with God, and in fact have that as our very first relationship. [02:01:47.21]

AJ: When we go through this process of becoming permanently interested in God, and in fact putting that as the very first thing in our lives, that very first thing that guides our entire existence; that's another milestone in our relationship with God. Then another milestone in our relationship with God is once we get to the point where we're permanently connected with love, so God can give Love anytime She wants, and we are ready to receive it, and we desire that Love all the time. That would be another milestone in the relationship, just like it would be in a normal relationship.

AJ: So you can see that there are milestones in our relationship with God. When the person who's had no interest in God at all first demonstrates some interest, like you did four years ago, God's heart leapt, yes? And God feels that as an emotion of joy. But Luli still doesn't want God all the time, right? So God's waiting for that milestone to be reached. Once that milestone is reached, now there's a real development in the relationship. And then once Luli reaches the point of having a permanent connection, in the sense of wanting God's Love all the time and being able to receive it at any time and there being no impediment to the reception of that love, that'll be another milestone in the relationship.

AJ: And every single one of those milestones God has a different response to, just like you would if you had a relationship with somebody else. It's like when you first meet somebody you're interested in. You're slightly interested, you feel drawn but you're still working, you've still got other friends, you still visit other people or whatever else. Then after a while you get really interested in this person and you get to the point where you're so interested in the person that that person becomes your highest priority. Then the second milestone is reached. Now you want to work on the relationship between you and that person constantly, you don't want to get distracted by lots of other things all the time, you're trying to focus more and more on that relationship, and so now your relationship has the potential to grow even more rapidly. Now imagine once you get to the point where both of you feel completely connected to each other permanently. That is not yet occurred on Earth for any relationship, but imagine if it had. [02:04:10.08]

Interviewer: What about you and God in the first century?

AJ: Me and God but not in my relationship with Mary, my soulmate. That didn't happen in the first century because we were in different conditions. For that to actually occur both the partners have to be at-one with God. Now, you imagine those three milestones in the development of your relationship. Well that's the same three milestones, if you think of it, as what's available in God.

AJ: But then there's a fourth milestone with our relationship with God; that the other half of me merges with me while we're merged with God. There's another milestone in the relationship. And I don't know beyond that how many more milestones in our relationship we possibly could have, but I'm assuming in an infinite relationship there's a potential of even more milestones. But if you even look at those four milestones, every single one of those milestones has an effect on God's heart, and has an effect on God's feelings for us and also about us. And it's very different from God just observing our life.

AJ: So I'd say the first time you longed for God was the time you met God. Before you met God, God was just sort of observing your life. God was attempting through all of the things you were experiencing to help you recognise that you could have a connection with God and God was trying to have some form of connection with you by doing a lot of external things to your life. But you imagine the very first time you went, "I can have a personal relationship with God," imagine how much of an effect that would have on God.

AJ: It's the same as you observing someone you love and them not knowing you exist and then all of a sudden they notice you. How would you feel? That's the same feeling God has, that God all of a sudden feels, "Wow, this person now wants to have a relationship with Me, which is different to Me just observing her. Now I can be more personally involved in her life. Now I can have a relationship. Before it was just like I'd given her all these things and everything but no relationship. I can just watch her up until then and I can affect her life through external events but I can't really do anything more with the personal relationship." Then all of a sudden there's this personal relationship.

AJ: Imagine the effect that that would have on God. And it does have a very, very powerful effect on God. Every single individual who decides for the very first time to connect to God has a very big effect on God and I feel in a lot of ways the love that we have, although it may be very small in comparison to God, is something that does not belong to God. It only belongs to God when you give it. And you think about it, if I love God and you love God and then others start to love God then of course God's going to feel more than when God was just observing. It's just like if I love you and then somebody else loves you and then somebody else loves you and then all these people start loving you, you will feel different than when nobody loved you. It's exactly the same.

14. Communicating with God through prayer

Interviewer: It blows my mind trying to work out how God can keep an eye on everybody all at the same time.

AJ: Yeah.

Interviewer: So how does God answer our prayers?

AJ: I think the subject of prayer is almost a completely different subject, but let's look at it in a generalised form because it does portray many of God's characteristics or attributes. When we examine prayer and the potentiality of communication between our own soul and God's as a Soul, or as a Being, then we can see that there have to be certain conditions available before we can engage in this communication. It's a totally different thing for me to have a thought and go, "Oh yeah, it'd be a nice thing to have God's Love." Now did that sound to you like I was very passionate about the idea? [02:08:42.07]

Interviewer: No.

AJ: No. It didn't sound like there was much desire. It just sounded like there was a smidgen of a thought of, "Oh, maybe I could do that." I'm not really that interested. That's a lot different isn't it to if I go "I have to do this," or "I'm going to do this"; there's a lot more firmness in me and there are now feelings in me associated with the thought. I might have the thought still, which is, "I could have a relationship with God" but if the feeling is "I desperately want to have a relationship with God," that's a totally different condition.

AJ: God feels every single one of my feelings; every single one of them. And in particular God feels the feelings that are aimed at God. Just like, if I feel you, I can feel every feeling inside of you. And eventually every single person on the planet will be able to feel every single feeling inside of another person on the planet. But the feelings that you aim at me are the ones that I'm particularly open to feeling. If you aim anger at me, whoa, if I'm open to feeling about that I'll feel that quite a lot. And if I have some injuries inside of myself emotionally, in other words I feel bad about myself somehow or I feel a low sense of worth, if you aim your anger at me I'm going to feel like I'm to blame, there's something wrong with me, and there's all sorts of things that I'll feel, based on that feeling coming out of you and into me.

AJ: Now if you aim a loving feeling at me, like kindness, obviously if I've never had kindness my entire life then as soon as I felt your kindness I'd probably be crying because your feeling will engender its response. It's the same with us with our feelings as it is with God with Her feelings. If we're open to them God's feelings for us will always engender a response inside of us and our feelings for God will always engender a response inside of God. They always encourage a response inside of God. That's prayer. Prayer is God being able to feel our feelings, and God's prayer is us being able to feel God's feelings. So God prays to us, if you think about it, in the way that God desires relationship. God desires us to feel. God desires us to feel God, therefore God is praying to us. God's constantly praying to us. God's constantly trying to have a relationship with us. This is what prayer is. Prayer is this communication that occurs between God and ourselves. That's what establishes relationship.

AJ: So I have to have the ability at some point to feel God's feelings for me, which means sometimes I'm going to have to get confronted, just like when you had certain feelings for me I got confronted. When you had a feeling of kindness towards me and I felt pretty bad about myself, I had to cry. Imagine what it's going to feel like when God feels kindness towards me. I'm probably going to cry for a few days about that one. I'm going to have feelings as a result of God's feelings for me. And I can also have feelings for God that will have a response in God. Now of course God doesn't have any sadness inside of Her so She's not going to cry but She'll certainly be overjoyed. She'll express desire, She'll express passion, She'll express wisdom, intelligence, and personality in Her response to my feelings for Her. If I see it that way, prayer is really a communication of feelings.

14.1. Prayer is a particle that travels from our soul to God's Soul

AJ: Now, if God exists outside of the universe, looking back at our original discussion, and the universe only came into existence after God was in existence, when I'm having a feeling which is a prayer directed at God, it then has to be exiting the universe. So the substance of prayer, from a scientific perspective, and from a particle perspective, has to be something that exists in God's universe, where God exists. For it to reach God, the particle that makes up prayer has to exist in God's universe, wherever God exists.

Interviewer: As well as here.

AJ: As well as here.

Interviewer: And does it come from us?

AJ: This particle comes from us. This particle forms a part of this desire or part of the feelings involved with prayer, because it's not a thought. It's not like, "Oh God, can you give me some love now?" without the feeling involved. That rises no higher than our own head, and it has no effect on God whatsoever. The feeling, however, does have a huge effect on God. When I have this feeling inside of me, it forms a substance that has the ability to open my own soul to receiving from God, but this substance also has the ability to affect God's Soul, who exists outside of this universe. So therefore the particle, the prayer, the desire itself, is a manipulation of a particle that exists in the universe in which God exists. Does that make sense, from a scientific perspective, from a physical perspective? [02:14:40.16]

Interviewer: Is it the same particle going from me outside the universe to God or is it some kind of resonance of the particles in between?

AJ: Well it has to exist in me. It has to exist as a part of my soul. It has to exist inside of myself so, in other words, there's some particles inside of my own soul that must also exist inside of God's soul. And when I express that particular emotion, desire for God, a passion for God and so forth, understanding for God, this particle leaves me and enters God's Soul immediately because I can actually receive a response immediately. So therefore this particle is capable of transcending space and time. In other words it's not dependent on the speed of light. It is faster than the speed of light, this particle, and it results in immediate conversation between God and myself. These are the kinds of experiments that I was referring to right at the beginning of our discussion, with regard to the particles that exist in God's universe in comparison to the particles that exist in our universe. There have to be some particles that exist in both, otherwise prayer would not exist. [02:16:01.11]

AJ: And this tells me things about God's nature as well, that God created particles that are able to transcend time and space and also physically exit the universe in which we exist and enter another part that is outside of the universe in which we exist, in which God exists. That raises a whole new set of questions, doesn't it?

Interviewer: I'll say!

AJ: And perhaps, Luli, that's probably a good place to end this interview and then continue with the other questions in the second session. What I've just presented is firstly a concept that emotions create particles or manipulate particles that transcend barriers of the actual universe itself and can enter God's Soul, and also that God can transmit such particles via a conduit, via the same kind of means, via desire. [02:17:10.24]

Interviewer: Separate from the Holy Spirit?

AJ: Separate to the Holy Spirit.

Interviewer: Because this is a feeling?

AJ: This is our feeling for God transmitted. It's not necessarily transmitted via the Holy Spirit but you could say that there have to be conduits or pathways through which these desires and passions that exist in our soul can be transmitted to God and God can receive them. And then God can have desires or passions that involve our own soul that we can then receive. This is communication, and that's what I call prayer.

AJ: And this tells us a lot of truths about the physical universe in which we live, in the sense that it tells us that space and time are not barriers that we believe them to be for a start. It also tells us that we are able to have instant communication to a being that lives beyond our universes. So that tells us that the particles that exist or travel between ourselves and God have to exist in God's universe as well as our own. That tells us there's scientific experiments that we could do about these particular particles. We could find out their characteristics through a whole series of scientific experiences that do not involve particle accelerators and do not involve cyclotrons or any other type of physics-based thing that we have to create.

AJ: And this follows on from what I was saying at the beginning of our interview. There are experiments that we can engage in scientifically that are far more simple than what is currently engaged in scientifically that would tell us far more about the universe if we just understood some of these basic facts about God, God's nature, God's attributes, qualities, the universe and the universe's nature and attributes and qualities.

Interviewer: Awesome.

AJ: It's awesome, isn't it?

Interviewer: Yeah. Well I won't ask any more questions.

15. Closing Words

AJ: No worries. So we'll proceed shall we at some other time with the other questions you have and hopefully, using some of this discussion we've had today, we can maybe elaborate a bit more on some of those experiments but also elaborate a bit more on God's nature and qualities as well.

15.1. Audience discussion regarding prayer

Participant: So prayer is the most powerful thing we can access because it transcends time and space and enters God's universe?

AJ: Yeah, and enters God.

Participant: Would a gift then be transcending the prayer as well?

AJ: Well a gift usually - always - involves love, so love is obviously a part of prayer. It's like every single thing that God ever does. Love always forms a part of it. When I transmit things to God my love forms a part of it. When God transmits things to me God's Love forms a part of whatever is transmitted to me. And so a gift is always involving love, whatever the gift is. The gift might be our personality trait, it might be knowledge, it might be more truth, it might be some other thing; wisdom, power. It might be all sorts of things that God gives us and God gives us many gifts - power, wisdom, knowledge - they all have love that forms the basis of the gift. Whatever we look at in terms of attributes and qualities of God, we need to start with love, and love forming the basis of everything else. [02:21:48.06]

Participant: And then for our prayer to transcend time and space and enter God's universe into God, it has to have a pure desire attached to it from us?

AJ: Yeah. Which is a part of our love.

Participant: And then to receive in return what we're praying for.

AJ: True, but see a lot of people's prayer comes from their mind, and the mind only exists in the spirit body form. This is why it has no effect, because prayer that comes from the mind doesn't involve love from our soul and it doesn't involve a desire. The particle that actually transmits prayer can't be engaged by the mind, so therefore prayer from the mind is useless. [02:22:42.20]

Participant: So it has to come from a desire?

AJ: It has to come from the particles. It has to be a part of the particles that are manipulated by emotion. And the particles that manipulate emotion are the ones that transcend the boundary of our universe. The particles that are not manipulated by emotion do not transcend the universe. They stay within the universe. Our intellect, our thoughts, can travel distance but they cannot transcend the universe. Our thoughts will not enter God's universe because they are not manipulating the same particles that our emotions are.

Participant: But God can still read our thoughts, right?

AJ: God can read our thoughts by part of God entering the universe and reading our thoughts. God can do anything in the universe, just like if we created something then we could do anything in it. You've got a car; you can enter the engine, pull it apart and put it back together again. Well God can do that with you, too. God can enter you, pull you apart, and put you back together again, so that means God can read your thought. God has the ability to see your thoughts but your thoughts cannot enter God, in the sense that your thoughts cannot enter God because none of the thoughts you have actually engage a particle that is beyond the physical universe in which you live. However the feelings that you have inside of you engage particles that are beyond the universe, beyond all of the universes that have ever been created; the feelings you have engage particles beyond that universe. Because they engage those particles, they can now be transmitted to where God exists. And they enter God. The thoughts can't. This is why you can have lots of really bad thoughts about God – they won't touch Him. You can have lots of really good thoughts about God – they won't touch Him. (Laughter)

Participant: Thank God. (Laughter)

AJ: Thank God (smiling). But you can have lots of really bad feelings about God and they will pass through God. Of course God has no response to them, in the sense of no negative response, but they do pass through God because they are feelings, and therefore they are able to transcend the boundary of the physical and spiritual universes, and they enter God.

Participant: That's just such a great way of looking at it though, isn't it?

AJ: Yep, it's like everything, Barbara; there is a physical scientific explanation as well as an emotional explanation. The interesting thing is that the emotional explanation is always simpler to understand. The physical explanation is very complicated.

Participant: And you know what, so much more beautiful as well.

AJ: Yeah, exactly. And this is where people who are involved in metaphysics and understanding the whole physical part of it often don't get the emotional part of it. But if you can get the emotional part of it then you'll understand the physical one eventually. So now that I've described prayer to you in the way that I have, you'll be able to get that pretty easily emotionally if you understand prayer. But if you've never thought of prayer then you'll be thinking, "How does it work?" because you've never felt the transmission between yourself and God, you don't really know.

Participant: Well, prayer and religion to me always felt hollow.

AJ: Well a lot of it is hollow. Not all of it but a lot of it is because a lot of it is encouraged to come from the mind. Now obviously anything that's rote, you know, like, 'Say Our Father 25 times - Our Father Who art in heaven", which is a rote thing to do, is not going to involve much of your emotions except perhaps an emotion of annoyance as a result of it.

Participant: God will feel that.

AJ: Yeah, God will feel your annoyance but God won't feel that you're asking God to do something. God responds to what you feel because what you feel is the prayer, particularly when it's directed at God.

Participant: That's really beautiful.

Mary: Babe, I see the beauty in that. I don't know if I'm over-analysing it, in that God designed it that way so that we have to access our soul because He knows that that's the most powerful, beautiful part of us.

AJ: Well it's the only real part of us, too.

Mary: Yeah, so if He responded to prayers from our mind then we'd be circumventing the whole...

AJ: Then we'd be busily doing it in our mind and never developing our soul.

Mary: It always seems to me like He's built in to everybody's process the best possible thing for our joy, ultimately. I can't really explain it very well.

AJ: Yeah, definitely.

Participant: That point you made on humility though; I've often prayed for humility to enter me and at times I've felt that I have become more humble without any emotional changes myself. So with what you said today, that's possible.

AJ: Yeah, of course.

Participant: That's just so fantastic.

AJ: Awesome, guys. Thank you. Thanks, Luli.

God's Attributes and Qualities: Session 2

16. Introduction

**Interviewer** : Hello, welcome. We're back here for the second interview on God's attributes and qualities.

**AJ** : G'day, Luli.

**Interviewer** : There are a few questions that I'd like to clear up from last week before we go back to talking about some of the other attributes.

**AJ** : Sure.

17. God's location and interaction with the universe

**Interviewer** : Last week we were talking about God's location being outside the universe, and how God comes into the universe to hear our thoughts.

**AJ** : Well, God doesn't have to come into the universe to hear our thoughts or to do anything else. But God is able to come into the universe with parts of His or Her Nature. There are certain things that come from God that can enter the universe, just like there are certain things that are in our nature that can exit the universe. For example, when we say a prayer to God that we actually feel from our heart, it actually causes particles to exit the universe and then enter God's location or enter God Herself. And when God has feelings for us, those feelings actually pass through the boundary of the universe and into our soul. Therefore we've got communication and transmission of matter occurring between ourselves and God, not only throughout the universe, but the communication also exceeds the boundaries of the universe because God obviously exists outside of the universe. [00:02:02.15]

**Interviewer** : When you said that God comes into the universe you're talking about certain feelings, Divine Love and energies that God...

**AJ** : Yeah. Let's call them certain qualities or attributes of God that enter the universe. God Himself or Herself does not seem to fully enter the universe, and in fact I believe that it's probably not possible for God to do so in the sense that God is too large for the universe to contain Him or Her; not in the sense that it's physically impossible, but rather in the sense that the universe is too small to contain God.

17.1. God does not manifest physical or spiritual bodies to express Himself through

**Interviewer** : Has God ever manifested physical bodies or spiritual bodies?

**AJ** : Well, no, there's no reason for God to do so. Obviously God has had children; we are the progeny of God and if you like we, being the progeny of God, are able to manifest or create a spirit and material body for people to actually enter. From that perspective the universe was constructed as the playground for God's children rather than the playground for God. I'm not sure how big God's playground is but I'm pretty certain it's much bigger than the playground that He's made for His children. [00:03:21.24]

**Interviewer** : One reason that God might want to manifest bodies would be to teach people about God?

**AJ** : God always uses what He's created to teach people about God, including the souls of His children. The reality is that God does not need to manifest a body in order to teach people about God, and in fact God wishes for people to learn about God through this really much more smooth and also, you would say, indirect manner. Thirdly you'd have to question why God would want to manifest a body when the body itself would be a restriction of God's nature. The only reason why we have a physical body, for example, is so that we can express our nature, not be restricted by it.

**AJ** : Now when we lose our physical body and we go to a spirit body we're less restricted again so we're growing through the process from full restriction, in other words where we don't know how to utilise our free will. By using our body and expressing our body we begin to learn how to use our free will; we learn what happens when we live in harmony with love and we learn what happens when we don't. As the process of learning goes on the physical body becomes a constraint and once we enter the spirit world that constraint is lifted. Then we have a spirit body, which we can use to grow further. And once we've gone through the process of growing with that body then that body starts becoming a constraint and now we can begin to understand the soul and how it learns; now we're not constrained by either a physical body or a spirit body.

**AJ** : Now I'm not saying that we have to not be constrained by a physical body or a spirit body in order to learn. What I'm saying is that the body is actually a tool for our learning, whereas God does not need a tool for His learning and God also doesn't need to create tools other than the tools God's already created for our learning. I believe there's an infinite number of tools that God has created for us to learn and so there's little need for God to actually become present within the universe in a physical form. [00:05:34.16]

18. God's Love

18.1. Different types of love that God puts into the universe transform the universe

**Interviewer** : Okay. So God puts Divine Love into the universe, obviously, so that we can receive it if we long for it. Does that Divine Love also affect animals and inanimate objects?

**AJ** : Well you could say that God has many forms of love but the primary form of love that God has for his children is Divine Love. The form of love that God has for all creatures, the general love that God has for all creatures is a different type of a love in that God gives that love to all creatures and all objects within the universe, in ever-increasing amounts. If any object in the universe is open to the reception of that love then that thing or object will receive that love and therefore have a transformation. Sometimes those transformations can be evolutionary steps that are all of a sudden changing into greater evolutionary steps, rather than the slow process of evolution. In other words, with evolutionary steps, once God gives more love, the capacity of the universe to change instantly becomes greater and, as soon as it becomes greater, then it's possible for any living organism and anything within that universe to change in an evolutionary step rather than in a slow process.

**AJ** : Now because we are people with souls, from God's perspective and our perspective we have the greatest capacity to change and that great capacity comes from the infusion of Divine Love into our soul. Animals can't receive Divine Love in a personal sense, in the sense that they understand that they are having a relationship with God. Animals are automatically in a relationship with God through their creation and automatically have a relationship with us as well through their creation. They don't actually have a soul that they can receive Divine Love with and use their intellect or their will to actually absorb, whereas with the way God's created our soul, humankind is the only organism that can actually embrace that process in a knowing and understanding manner. [00:07:49.21]

18.2. Receiving Divine Love is permanent

**Interviewer** : When we receive Divine Love it stays with us forever, so how does that work compared to when a person gives another person natural love? How is it that the Divine Love is a permanent thing?

**AJ** : Because the thing is a part of God; anything that is a part of God exists forever. It cannot be erased if something is a part of God. Something that is not a part of God does often change and can be erased. For example if we look at it from a purely material perspective, this table, if we do not maintain it, will degrade over time because of the processes of degradation that occur in an oxygen-based environment and other chemical environments. As a process that will slowly occur over time and eventually we'll end up with a table completely absorbed into other materials or other matter, and eventually even absorbed into other living things. That process of degradation occurs automatically over time because this table doesn't have God's Love in it, and as a result it has to go through this process of change.

**AJ** : The same applies to any substance that comes out of us as a human that isn't a part of God's nature. Anything that I can give to you, which is part of my love for you or my care for you or any other thing that I do for you, it can degrade over a period of time, not only in terms of my expressing it but also in terms of how long it lasts or how long an effect it has inside of you. The difference between that and God's Love is quite marked in the sense that God's Love, because of its infinite nature and because it's a part of God, cannot degrade over time. It can only be suppressed. So in other words, you can have Divine Love enter you and it be suppressed in you through an intellectual process that you are actively involved in suppressing, but the love still exists within you. You can't erase it once it's entered.

**AJ** : However if my love enters you as a substance, which is possible, over a period of time whatever you do with it, because I am not immortal without God's Love and my love itself doesn't create immortality, my love itself, or the love that I express or that enters you from me can degrade. Therefore whatever happens with my love given to you, if all of a sudden I decide not to give it, over time it will diminish in you and perhaps even disappear. You may have a dim memory of that love being expressed to you at one point in the past, but now you don't really feel that love entering you at all. And that is very, very different to God's Love.

**AJ** : Once God's Love enters the soul of an individual, the soul of the individual is automatically transformed. It now depends on what they choose to do with that love as to what happens after that. If they choose to suppress it, if they choose to act in disharmony with the Divine Love that exists within them, then of course they can deny and suppress the effects of that love and even act as if it didn't exist in the first place, but the love still is present within the soul. It cannot be erased once it has entered. [00:11:04.15]

19. The source of God's power is unknown

**Interviewer** : This is another one of those questions from the beginning of last week. But do you know what sustains God? Where all the power comes from and the love comes from?

**AJ** : Again it's a very difficult question to answer because there are just so many possibilities and it's hard enough understanding where our power comes from, let alone understanding where the source of our power comes from. And so that's a very difficult question to answer. In fact I feel it's one of those questions that we might eventually be able to ask and answer in the long run. I feel that mankind, given the time period that we've been as incarnated souls, have still got a long way to go before we can actually answer those kinds of questions.

**AJ** : I feel we can understand the attributes or qualities of God far better than understanding the actual physical form of God, if you could call it that, because those kinds of questions are very, very difficult to actually answer. [00:12:13.16]

**Interviewer** : Okay, no worries. Well during the week I thought of a whole lot of attributes of God.

**AJ** : Good, good. (Laughs)

**Interviewer** : I thought maybe we could talk about them in the context of the major attributes, such as love and power and wisdom and intelligence, because I don't know where these go under those attributes.

**AJ** : Okay, good.

20. Sub-attributes of God's Love

20.1. Beauty

**Interviewer** : One thing that came to me was beauty.

**AJ** : Okay, yes, beauty is an interesting quality of God and actually an interesting quality of the entire universe because beauty exists all the way through the universe. It also seems that within our soul we do see certain things as ugly and certain things as beautiful. I don't believe that all things are beautiful and in fact I feel that what whenever our soul acts in disharmony with love, the creations of our soul at that point are very, very ugly in many cases. That's actually a part of the feedback system that God's provided to educate us and show us that when we act in harmony with love, beauty is the result, and when we act in disharmony with love, ugliness is the result, and ugliness in all sorts of ways; ugliness emotionally, ugliness physically, ugliness in terms of disease and other harm that we perpetrate on the planet. Ugliness in terms of how we respond to each other and all of those are the result of a lack of love.

20.1.1. Our soul condition is reflected in our physical body in a delayed fashion and our spirit body immediately

**AJ** : I believe that beauty is a fantastic thing that God has created to demonstrate to us this feedback system of how the soul is actually working. Now of course generally on Earth we unfortunately measure beauty only by the physical and God doesn't do so, and quite often our soul can be in quite a lot of disharmony with the physical appearance that it has. In other words my soul can be connected to my spirit and my physical body, and initially in my early stages of my development my soul could be getting darker. But because there is usually a seven year time delay upon the physical body in terms of its replication process in the cell structure and so forth, it usually means that I won't see some of the ugliness physically for many years later.

**AJ** : And this is why we grow old and die as our soul follows its education in a negative direction, in terms of a fear-based unloving direction and untruthful direction. The soul becomes slowly more ugly itself and it then has a lack of energy, which is then fed to the physical form and the spirit body form. The spirit body form rapidly deteriorates in its beauty but the physical form, because of the cell replication time frames and so forth, slowly deteriorates based on the soul's issues and problems or whatever the soul's condition is.

**AJ** : So this is why as we get older we get more wrinkled, our body doesn't replicate itself properly, certain parts of the organs start closing down and so forth and by the time we get very, very aged a lot of our body is now shutting down as a result of what happened to our soul many, many years prior in most cases. That's a feedback system, but it's a slower feedback system than what would be present in the spirit world. What's present in the spirit world is a very rapid feedback system. If you take an action that is unloving in its nature or untruthful in its nature the physical form that you see, the spirit body form, degrades in its condition fairly immediately because the cell replication process in the spirit body form is a lot more rapid.

**AJ** : Therefore you see the changes immediately as you degrade in condition or even as you grow in condition; you also see the resulting changes into beauty as you grow in condition. So getting back to God's quality of beauty, I feel there are some things that God's built into our soul that we respond to as beautiful compared to others that we respond to as ugly. Those things in our soul that we respond to as beautiful are all associated with love, and the things we respond to that become ugly are all associated with things like fear and untruthfulness and everything associated with being unloving.

**AJ** : I believe that the beauty quality of God is like a sub-quality; remember we talked about primary qualities and then we talked about sub-qualities. I believe that it's one of the sub-qualities of God's form of justice and also God's Love. When we connect with God and we receive Divine Love we automatically also start becoming more beautiful at the soul level. And then eventually if we become at-one with God it affects our spirit body and physical body so much that both of those bodies no longer age and they also start improving in their condition and God's basically showing us the effects of love. So I'd say beauty is an effect rather than a cause, but it is one of the attributes of what love does. [00:17:54.19]

20.2. Joy

**Interviewer** : The next one on my list is probably highly linked with that, because that is joy. That seems to be an effect of God that's built into our feedback system as well?

**AJ** : Exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of emotions that you could say that we will come to experience in our life that are the direct result or the effects of us embracing other things like truth, love, justice, humility and other qualities, which are real primary qualities of God. As we embrace those primary qualities of God, we'll find that we'll have the secondary effects of joy, happiness, peace and many other qualities that are what I would call displaying our having the primary cause of the effect, which is the love or the truth or the humility or one of the other primary qualities.

20.3. Sensitivity

**Interviewer** : Alright, well I'm going to carry on down my list.

**AJ** : Sure.

**Interviewer** : Okay, sensitivity.

**AJ** : Sensitivity, yes.

**Interviewer** : Because obviously to be able to respond to everybody's prayers and feelings and feel everyone's feelings you've got to be pretty sensitive.

**AJ** : Very much so. One of the primary feelings that you could say inside of God is this direct sensitiveness to every single occurrence in the universe. In the first century I said that God was so sensitive that God could feel how many hairs there were on your head growing at any one point in time. And God can feel when a sparrow dies, when the life force exits something; God feels when the life force exits any one of God's creations because the life force returns to God, and so God feels it. God is extra-sensitive to everything, far more sensitive than we are sensitive.

**AJ** : As we grow in Divine Love we become more sensitive to everything around us and therefore this sensitivity causes us to not act out of harmony with love. In other words at some point we become so sensitive to any disharmony with love that it's impossible for us to act out of with harmony with love without feeling a huge amount of hurt inside of us. And God is encouraging all of us to allow ourselves to be sensitive. It's interesting when you see that as a comparison to what most parents encourage their children to do, which is to stop being sensitive and to encourage their children to be insensitive so that they can cope with the pain of life.

**AJ** : The way God views pain is that if we were so sensitive to pain and its cause, we would never want to embrace the cause of any pain. It makes sense then that sensitivity is one of the attributes of love. And so I feel again that that's one of the attributes of Divine Love; it's one of those sub-qualities. One of the effects of the love operating on the soul of an individual is that they'll become more sensitive. [00:20:58.10]

20.4. Patience

**Interviewer** : I think the next one's another attribute of love: patience.

**AJ** : Patience is certainly another attribute of love, yeah. It's a beautiful aspect of love because it's the opposite to demand and impatience, and if we think about demand and impatience, they impose upon another person that you've got to do a certain thing by a certain time. If you think about the loving thing to do it would be to never impose upon another person that they have to do a certain thing by a certain time. You would just be patient and let it all operate.

**AJ** : Now that doesn't mean you would break your own laws for the time frame. In other words if a person doesn't want to do a certain thing by a certain time, then it's up to you. You can say, "Oh well I don't want to interact with that person on that particular project anymore because they're just taking too long," but that doesn't necessarily mean you're impatient. It might be practical factors about love of other people involved in that. What I mean by that is that sometimes, if there is a group of people working together, if all of the people are working together well except for one person, and the group is not impatient with that one person, but that one person is not performing the task that they've been asked to do for the group, then the group is wise to say to the person, "Well obviously you don't want to do that, and that's fine. You're allowed to not want to do that, and we're totally patient about that. But we want to go ahead and do this so we would like to find a person who does want to embrace that process with us."

**AJ** : So we can be patient and still have deadlines. A lot of people would feel opposite to that perhaps but the truth is that we can feel patient and have deadlines, we can feel patient and have rules. And God does have laws but God is still patient. God's patient about every law you break. God goes, "Well there they go again, they've broken another law and there they go again, feeling the pain of the breaking of another law. There they go again seeing their beauty degrade from breaking this other law and their sensitivity degrade because they broke the law." And God's going, "I wonder when they're going to actually..." God usually does know when but you imagine God there going, "I wonder when they're actually going to work out that they're doing something that's unloving and change." God is very, very patient as a result.

**AJ** : We get a lot of patience from God. If God was totally impatient then I don't think most of us would be alive at this point, because if you think about it there'd be so much pressure on us to change coming from God that it would be very, very difficult to withstand it. You'd also have to question whether we'd have free will anymore if God were impatient. The reality is that patience is definitely one of the primary qualities of God's nature and as we receive more Divine Love we become more patient as a result.

**Interviewer** : It helps if you've got this everlasting infinity of time as well to be patient.

**AJ** : Exactly! Of course, from God's perspective, God's got forever to wait for us to come to God and so there's no need for God to hurry. That being said, I do feel and believe that there is no reason for mankind to not hurry. And what I mean by hurry is, what's the point of delaying a relationship with somebody who's going to bring you joy, beauty, love, kindness, compassion? Why would you want to delay such a relationship? From mankind's perspective if we embraced God truly, if we really had a desire to know God, we'd obviously want to embrace God right now as far as we're able to. But that doesn't mean we need to be impatient with ourselves about how we go about that process because we've got different injuries and emotions we need to address. We've got different belief systems that we've imbibed through the environment and these all need to be released before we can enter this relationship. And we need to patient with ourselves in terms of finding those particular problems, and releasing those particular problems. And we haven't God going up there, going, "When's Luli going to do this?" and imposing all of this will upon us. [00:25:28.17]

**Interviewer** : I do that to myself.

**AJ** : Often we do it ourselves, which is actually a mark of being unloving to ourselves, and that's also an indication that we need more of God's Love to understand that we also need to be patient with ourselves. They're beautiful qualities of love, all of them so far.

20.5. Perfection

**Interviewer** : There's another one. I think this is coming under the love category as well: perfection.

**AJ** : Yeah, perfection is very associated with beauty I feel. For most people, in terms of their definition, beauty is more often taken to be physical beauty, something that's attractive to look at and attractive to hear or listen to and attractive to see, attractive to taste and so forth. Perfection has a lot of other hallmarks to it besides beauty. It also has the hallmark of being perfect in function and form. Beauty is about the form and perfection can also be about how perfect the function is. If you look at our body, as an organism, it's a perfectly functioning system. And if we look at the body's diseases even as a perfect functioning system we can see that as our soul degrades it creates disease to tell us that our soul's degrading. So we know through this feedback system what's happening to our body. It's a perfectly functioning system, even feeding back to us moment by moment what we're doing.

**AJ** : It's also a perfectly functioning system in terms of the reception of pleasure. On the one hand we've got the pain, which is the feedback system telling us that something's out of harmony with love, and then on the other hand we've got this perfect system that gives us a lot of pleasure, through sexual pleasure, joy, peace and other qualities as well that we absorb through the process of engaging things in love. As that happens we get all of these pleasurable sensations in our body and so our body becomes not only perfectly beautiful but also perfect in how it functions, and this is a result of love as well. [00:27:36.03]

20.6. Efficiency and economy

**Interviewer** : Okay. How about efficiency?

**AJ** : Efficiency or economy, shall we call it?

**Interviewer** : Yep, that was another one further down the line, yeah.

**AJ** : Yes, these are two very, very interesting attributes of love as well.

**Interviewer** : Oh they're sub-attributes of love as well?

**AJ** : Yeah.

**Interviewer** : There's a lot of attributes of love.

**AJ** : Yeah. Because when you become more loving towards anything in your environment or even in yourself, everything that happens within you all of a sudden also becomes more efficient. In other words you don't want to waste time, either your own time or anybody else's time, or even nature's time or the environment's time. You also don't want to waste resources. Love for the resources is so strong that you only want to use them in an efficient manner. You don't want to abuse them. And you also have an internal priority system that happens as a result of this efficiency in the sense that you prioritise your life around the things that are the most important, which are all to do with Divine Love and all of those kinds of things. And you prioritise your life so that those particular things become your highest priority and everything in your life is geared towards the efficiency of changing your life into more harmony with love and truth and connecting with God in terms of the relationship with God.

**AJ** : Economy is an interesting part of efficiency in the sense that if I'm loving then I will want to get the best out of every single thing that I use, but not in what I would call a psychologically disturbing way. For example, some people want to eat all of their food even if some of their food's a bit bad. They'll cut off a bit of the bad food and eat the rest of it and things like that, whereas I feel part of economy is that all of the living things within the universe need to benefit from these particular food sources. [00:29:43.09]

**AJ** : When I see a bad piece of food, I go, "You beauty, that's great, I can feed that to my worms," and the insects will increase in number as a result. The insects will have a lot of other work that they will do, and as a result of that there's so many things that will change in my environment. So I don't see economy as just how it affects me but also how it effects the entire environment in terms of how I use these systems that I use. I need to be very careful about the choices that I make with anything that degrades the environment in any way. With anything that's going to improve the environment I need to make those economical choices immediately to improve the environment.

**AJ** : Mankind unfortunately has a focus on money, rather than economy. We often do many things that are not in harmony with economy but are in harmony with the dollar. When they're making roads, for example; we often see that the roads are made by having people at each end stopping the traffic flow. And then you have a whole long stream of vehicles all piled up in a row, all still with their engines on, all with the people sitting in the cars doing very little at all, which means that there's very little efficiency and economy. And it's all done for a road, but if the road were done at night time, for example, when there was far less traffic, or a second road was built alongside it rather than the road itself, even though it would be more expensive, it would actually be far more efficient and economical to everybody involved.

**AJ** : Unfortunately mankind is not very good at measuring all of the economies or all of the efficiencies. They only measure the efficiencies with respect to money. God doesn't do that. God's efficient right across the board with all things and all the efficiencies of God are a beautiful expression of God's Love.

20.6.1. God's efficiency in the design of the universe

**AJ** : If we look at another part of economy and efficiency, it's this aspect of how God's created the universe. God's created the universe so that all of the living things in the universe have the ability to transform the dead matter in the universe into living things. What this means is that if I build a home out of dead things, it means that all the living things in the universe are now geared to attack that dead thing, that home. [00:32:05.08]

**AJ** : I will have insects wanting to eat the wood, I'll have insects coming in, spiders making their nests and all these other things happening, and all of these things are a process of the attempt to degrade this home back into nature so that it can be re-used by something living. Every time I create something out of dead material, I am actually not demonstrating very much efficiency. God's not like that generally. What God does is create a lot of living things, and because the living things have intelligence built into them they are then also able to manage this process of turning all of the dead matter back into living matter in some way.

**AJ** : If you look what happens in a forest for example, when a tree dies and falls on the ground, it is instantly attacked, or instantly consumed but over a long period of time - by fungi, by insects, and other living organisms that cause the entire tree to totally degrade back into the environment over time so that it can be a source of food for other living things. This is the way God creates everything in the universe as well. So God is very efficient in every single creation. It's not like mankind; we are generally only efficient when money is involved, whereas God is efficient and economical with respect to love and truth. They're the primary efficiencies.

**AJ** : If we change ourselves to become more like God we will find we would leave a money-based economy in fact, and go to a different type of economy that's more based on what is the efficient and economical thing to do because that's the most loving thing to do. [00:33:53.01]

20.6.2. Abundance is a part of God's economy

**Interviewer** : A side shoot to that is abundance, because there's economy but there's also abundance.

**AJ** : Exactly, and actually I feel that abundance is a part of economy.

**AJ** : With abundance we can see that the way God creates is very different to the way we create. When we manufacture there's a lot of resources that go into something and that thing cannot generally replicate itself very easily, if at all. To replicate itself an organism needs to be alive, for a start, and secondly it generally needs to have a genetic code of some kind to replicate itself over and over again. Now God has created all of these very intricate organisms right the way to the most complex, which is the human soul itself, but in the process of creating these organisms every single living organism has the ability to provide abundance within itself.

**AJ** : For example, if you look at the very smallest of organisms, they all replicate very rapidly and they all have similar form and function. When you look at things we need to eat, for example trees or seeds of any kind or anything that provides fruit or vegetables, every single one of them firstly provides the material that we want to eat but secondly it seeds and has the genetic code for replication automatically involved. In every single thing there is automatic abundance. For example when you plant one peach tree seed it grows into a peach tree and, unless it's been genetically modified, it automatically fruits, and every one of those fruits has a seed that you can plant again, and you have another tree. And that first tree is still producing thousands of pieces of fruit every year while you plant the second one. It grows over a few years and that's now producing thousands of pieces of fruit. This is just from two seeds, one that comes from the other. [00:36:05.08]

**AJ** : That's a mark of God's feelings of abundance in the universe. Abundance can be created quite easily when you're able to create something genetically. If you can't create something genetically then abundance is very, very difficult to create of course. And then we have to use resources to create; the resources that are the output if you like of the living matter that turns everything over and changes matter around us. And then we grab those resources and produce things. Man's not very good at producing abundance. We're also not very good at understanding abundance because we do things like eating meat for example. We get a cow, we mate it with a bull; two animals are needed for that. We create a third, a calf or maybe two calves at the most. If one of those calves is a male, he will generally be slaughtered and eaten for meat. And then the other calf, if she's a female, she will generally be grown to become a milk source or something like that.

**AJ** : But if you look at the entire process, to do those two things requires a huge amount of resources around the world. This is why the rainforests in Brazil are getting cut down; it's largely because of meat production. Humankind is becoming more and more desirous of eating meat, and as a result of that we have to destroy more things to create more cattle to eat, which we are also destroying through the process. And any animal we eat can't replicate. The difference between that and what God's provided is that everything that we eat in nature generally, even after we've eaten it, can replicate, which is automatic abundance.

**AJ** : So there are a lot of things that are a part of God's nature, which are a part of love that God's provided, that can cause us to see that abundance is a big sign of love. [00:38:09.09]

21. God's creativity is a quality of God's Love and power

**Interviewer** : We haven't really talked about creativity yet, which is obviously a huge part of God.

**AJ** : Of course.

**Interviewer** : That comes under power, does it?

**AJ** : Well creativity's a combination of love and power, because it's one thing to imagine something within your creative space, but quite another to be able to produce it. You could say that the production of it is to do with what physical power you have to produce it, whereas the imagination of it comes from all different sources; creativity is a part of us but it's also a part of God's nature.

**AJ** : You can see creativity is part of God's nature if you look at the variety. When mankind sees something new and different, we go, "Wow, that was pretty unusual," but if you look through nature, everything is new and different, everything you look at. And this is a part of God's nature, how God creates in this very creative multi-functional way. Every single thing that God creates has multiple purposes, it's not just limited to one thing. Most of the things we create are limited to a few purposes but when we find something that we create that has many purposes most of the time that particular thing grows exponentially in terms of its sales. Look at what's happened to the iPhone or the iPad or those kinds of things that have multiple purposes. They have often grown much more rapidly than other devices that we create that are for single purposes. [00:39:47.04]

21.1. God creates everything in harmony with Her Laws

**Interviewer** : I think you've said one time that God creates just by the power of intention and it automatically manifests.

**AJ** : That's oversimplifying it perhaps, but it is true that God has the ability to imagine within Herself and then automatically whatever is imagined comes into being, and that thing that comes into being is automatically in harmony with all of the laws and principles of the universe. That's a pretty amazing process or quality of God I feel; the ability to be able to create and yet everything that God creates automatically lives in harmony with all the rest of the creations that God has made, of which there are literally billions and billions and billions. In fact you could almost say it's an infinite number of creations that God seems to have created, and yet every new creation God creates always fits in with every other creation God's created.

**AJ** : That is mainly because of the framework of laws God makes. The framework of laws is different to looking at these attributes of beauty, perfection, joy, sensitivity, patience, efficiency, economy and abundance - what I would probably call effects of love. What I feel is one of the truly amazing things about God is that God's placed a framework in which all of these other effects exist. And you could call the framework "Laws"; they're the laws of God. There is a hierarchy of laws, but the laws associated with Divine Love are the highest laws. They become the laws that govern everything. Every new thing that God imagines is automatically in harmony with the laws of Divine Love, every single new thing that God imagines and therefore calls into creation. As a result of that, it automatically fits within the framework. And that's an amazing thing.

**AJ** : With the things that man creates, such as the laws of man, for example, the copyright laws; we had to change as soon as the Internet and other forms of media arrived. Even when film and sound recording was introduced, we had to change the copyright laws for every new form of technology that was introduced. This is because the laws are so limiting that they limit what we're able to create whereas with God the laws are so all-encompassing that any new thing God creates automatically conforms itself to one or more of the laws. And therefore God doesn't have to go and make a whole new set of laws every single time God goes and creates another thing, which is pretty amazing when you think about it, because it shows you that the laws have been so well thought of that any new thing that God even imagines automatically conforms to those laws. [00:43:08.05]

**Interviewer** : It covers everything.

**AJ** : It covers everything.

21.2. How God creates human souls

**Interviewer** : It's pretty clever. How does God create our souls? I think you said a few weeks ago in the soul interview that the souls have genetic structure. Does God create our souls through a kind of replication process?

**AJ** : Well I'm still investigating the way God creates our souls. When you pass through the different dimensions of the spirit world and you enter what's called the soul union condition of the spirit world, in that condition you have the means to investigate how souls operate. Because you're now not limited by physical body eyes, and you're now not limited by your spirit body's eyes, now you can observe things with your soul's eyes, if you like, and so are able to observe what actually happens. Now at this point in time I can't remember ever seeing a new soul come into existence. That doesn't mean that God doesn't create new souls; I've just never been present when God's made one. Therefore I don't know the process that God goes through to make one.

**AJ** : However after they've come into existence I've seen many souls that are yet to incarnate. I see their basic form and their basic structure and what happens before they come to Earth or to other places in the universe to incarnate. We have the ability to see what happens after their incarnation but not yet the real ability to see what happens during their creation. That is certainly something that I believe that God desires to teach us and so that's why I feel that God does want us to learn that process of how to bring new souls into creation ourselves.

**Interviewer** : Is God still creating new souls? Or you don't know?

**AJ** : I believe so, but, if you think about the universes that I've described in previous discussions, there are many physical universes and therefore the potential of many pools of unborn souls, if you like, that are yet to incarnate. And so it makes sense that God would potentially still be creating. But again, as God has done with many other processes, a lot of these processes are probably automatic in the sense that they don't actually need God's saying, "Oh, we need twenty more souls today," but rather it's an automatic process or flow. Because if you look at everything that God has done, there is always an automatic process or flow in the creation of things. That then would tend to indicate that God Herself is automatically creating as things are incarnating; more is coming somewhere in the universe. [00:46:11.20]

21.3. How God creates in the universe

**Interviewer** : Is God creating other things? Do you know if God is still creating other universes even?

**AJ** : Yes, but it's interesting how God creates other universes; a lot of it's done with the aid of the creations that God has already created. If we look at what happens genetically and in terms of evolutionary cycles, we can see that certain things come into existence through processes that God has already created, which allows for the new thing to come into existence.

**AJ** : For example, imagine the existence of trees without insects. Now trees without insects on this planet would be very, very difficult because insects are a major part firstly of pollinating the tree, oftentimes distributing their DNA or with other animals distributing their DNA. But the insects also polish off the dead trees; they actually turn the dead trees into matter so that other living organisms including trees can survive. Without the insects you could see that the trees would have a lot of difficulty surviving. That being the case, you can see there are symbiotic relationships. So when God created a new tree, there already had to be some kinds of things that God created to support those particular things in their existence.

**AJ** : Often the way God creates is that lots of things come into existence all at once rather than one thing coming into existence at a time. When you think about it, if one thing comes into existence at one point in time without there being any supportive network for that thing to exist, then naturally it's going to die. If many things come into existence at once, then there is a supportive network for the things that come into existence and therefore a high likelihood they'll all survive. The way God creates is not just creating one thing at a time and hoping that it's going to fit into something; God's already imagined how it should all work and then through that imagination can cause, through His power, for things to come into existence as a result of the imagination. [00:48:25.16]

**Interviewer** : Right. What was I going to ask next? (Laughs) That could go in several different directions.

**AJ** : Sometimes you get so involved in these interviews.

**Interviewer** : I know! Oh dear I've lost it! (Laughs)

**AJ** : I feel a bit sorry for the interviewer sometimes because they get so involved in the response that they forget where they were in the questions. (Laughs)

22. Getting to know God's nature by developing a personal relationship with God

**Interviewer** : Do you know what desires God has other than to enjoy creation? You said when you're in the soul union state you could feel God's desires really well.

**AJ** : Yes.

**Interviewer** : Do you know what they are?

**AJ** : They're not dissimilar to our desires in many ways. They're just much more powerful and much more loving and creative. One of the reasons God has created a universe like this is that we can examine ourselves as living entities that have free will, and we can learn a lot about God in the process of examining ourselves, but the examination of ourselves has to be without injuries. In other words, we can't impose the injury system upon God because God is without injuries, but we can examine the positive qualities that we have, the positive desires and the nature we have and all of those other things that we have internally in our soul.

**AJ** : And we can say to ourselves, "Well if it exists within ourselves, God must also experience it at some level." If you look at what happens in our soul, you can see that there are many, many aspects of our life that interest us, don't we? There are some aspects of our life that we like in terms of observing. There are other aspects of our life that we want to be involved in and there are other aspects of life that we're very creative in, not only creative in terms of the literal creations that we can use our power to create, but also create in the sense that we can have a child. We can create through that process a living thing. [00:50:27.07]

**AJ** : We're also able to take genetic code that God has manufactured and be creative with that genetic code as well. We're able to, you know, plant a seed for example and became creative through the usage of all the things that God has given us. If you look at it we have a lot of different areas in which we express our creativity. We express our joy, we have our pleasure, we have our fascination, we have our areas of investigation and all these other aspects. And all of these qualities must have come from somewhere for them to exist in us. And I believe that God has all of these qualities as a part of Her nature as well.

**AJ** : God is fascinated with things. God is creative. God has imagination. God has joy. God has sexual joy. God has, as well as physical joy and peace-related joy, emotional joy. All of these different things or qualities, you could say, or emotions, are a part of God's nature. What we observe in ourselves in a pure state is certainly a part of God's nature as well. We can assume many things about God as a result of that and then we can investigate whether our assumptions are correct. We can say, "Well, let's assume that the best part of my nature is that I love, so let's now assume that God loves but loves better than I do."

**AJ** : Another part of my nature that I really enjoy is expressing my creativity, so let's assume that God has creativity but is far more creative and powerful with it than I am. And we can analyse ourselves and what our pure nature is and we can then say, "Okay, well let's make some assumptions that God is like that." But the only way we're ever going to know whether God's like that is to actually experience this personal relationship that I described last week in the interview and then we'll start to absorb some of that nature of God and then we'll realise that God is like that. And not only realise, we'll also experience God being like that, which is different to assuming that God is like that.

**AJ** : And this is where it requires the personal relationship.

**AJ** : You see, it's one thing to answer all these questions about God's nature, but we're never really going to feel any of these things about God's nature until we actually experience God Herself by actually entering a relationship. It's like I can see you on a television show, and I can make a heap of assumptions about your nature from that show; many of them could be incorrect and some of them could be correct. I can make a lot of assumptions about your nature, and I could write down all of those things. That tells me "Luli" but I've still never experienced Luli. So I still don't really know, do I? I don't know what Luli is like. [00:53:22.01]

**AJ** : I often see this happening with respect to Mary and me. There are many people who see us on video or hear our words or whatever, but because they've never had a personal interaction with us, they don't really know us yet. They don't really know what we're like. They're making a lot of presumptions or assumptions about our nature. And many of those assumptions or presumptions might be incorrect. It's only by engaging the personal relationship that you work out which one of those assumptions were correct and which ones of those assumptions are incorrect. And because you handle our email line coming in you often see many assumptions made about myself and Mary that you personally know are totally incorrect because you've spent some time in our company, just as I've spent some time in your company so I know that many of the assumptions that other people make about you are either correct or incorrect based on my personal experience of you.

**AJ** : It's the same with God. What we need to understand is that we need to have a personal experience with God before we're going to know whether any assumption or presumption that we have about God is true. We can discuss God's nature and characteristics and qualities; however the discussion itself is really in a way wasted unless we're prepared to have the personal experience of entering into a relationship with God to find out whether those assumptions or presumptions are correct or not. My recommendation to every single person on the planet is to not assume that you know somebody without having some kind of personal relationship with them. And even then be careful because many times you're judging them through your own unhealed and unloving nature rather than your healed loving nature.

**AJ** : What God is teaching us to do once we have the personal experience of engaging this interaction with God, because God does not have any unloving or untruthful parts of Her Nature, whenever I'm not experiencing God I know that it must be me. I know that there must be something wrong, or something that's going on inside of me that causes a block in the relationship because I know that God would never block the relationship. Once I start understanding that I can have a personal experience with God I start understanding that any time I'm blocked in that personal experience it has to be something to do with love that I need to correct inside of me, or with truth that I need to correct inside of me, or with humility that I need to correct inside of me that is causing the blockage. [00:56:09.13]

**AJ** : Once I release this blockage I can re-establish the relationship and if you think about it that way, we can then enter this personal experience with God and therefore come to know every one of God's qualities, not as an assumption that we think that God's like this, but rather as a personal experience that we know God's like that because that's the way God's treated me. I can say, for example, many of the things we've already discussed because I know the way God's treated me and therefore I know that God's nature and qualities are like what I'm explaining.

22.1. God is not angry or wrathful

**AJ** : I know that God has no anger or rage in Her. None whatsoever. All of the Bible's depictions of a wrathful angry God coming to destroy the wicked at some point in the future, for example, which is the hope of many Christians, are not ever going to be fulfilled because God does not have an angry nature. It's impossible for God to do such a thing in wrath. I know that because I've had a personal experience with God where many times God could have been angry with me and has not been, so I know that God is only loving in Her treatment of me. Through that personal experience, I get to feel, you see, and then in that personal experience if I assume God's going to treat me angrily, then I know that there's got to be something inside of me that is causing that assumption because that's not a part of God's nature, and in fact it doesn't make any logical sense that it's even part of God's nature.

**AJ** : But I can assume that God's nature is loving and at the same time feel that it's not. That's because I've yet to release my own emotional baggage maybe about my parents and how my parents treated me. Again, I need to have a personal experience with God directly, not impose my parents' belief systems which have now entered me onto my relationship with God, assuming that God is all those things my parents have taught me, without having a personal relationship. I feel that it is really important to take away this idea of personal experience from a discussion about God's attributes and qualities,. One of God's primary attributes of love is that She wants us to have a personal experience with her. He wants us to be able to express ourselves to Him and express Himself to us and to have a relationship that is going to withstand time and therefore be able to be developed over a period of time. We can only achieve that by having a personal experience. [00:58:50.01]

23. God's Sexuality

**Interviewer** : You mentioned He and She a few times there, and one thing we didn't cover last week at all are the masculine and feminine sides of God.

**AJ** : Exactly, what appears to be from a sexual perspective a dual nature. Could we call it the sexuality of God? The sexuality of God is also what God has created in the combined human soul with the male part and the female part of the soul, of which there may be varying quantities. You may have a soul that has a large male and a smaller female part, for example, or you may have a soul that has a small male part and a large female part. That doesn't mean it splits into a male and female, it means that when it splits, it might split in a way that there'll be a dominant male side and a less dominant male side but both will be male. And it might split in a way where there would be a dominant female side and a less dominant male side in each half of the soul. Or it might split in a way that there is a dominant male part and a dominant female part in each half of the soul with a little bit of masculinity and femininity in both. But how it splits determines sexuality.

Human souls are created with different amounts of masculinity and femininity, and they can split with different proportions of sexual gender upon incarnation

23.1. Humans reflect the male and female attributes of God through the different genders

**AJ** : Now let's go back to God. If God is teaching us, by making us in God's image, then it would make sense from that discussion that God obviously has masculine parts of His nature and God also has feminine part of Her nature. When I refer to God oftentimes I'll refer to the masculine or the feminine parts of God's nature. For example I see love, particularly the nurturing part of love, to be a very feminine part of God's nature but love is also a masculine quality and so unfortunately today on Earth I see many distortions. There are many females on Earth who believe that men are not capable of love, for example. And there are many men on Earth who feel that women are not capable of truth, for example, and yet both qualities are available to both halves of the soul. Therefore both qualities are available to God as well. I also feel because of all of these things that God does have sexuality. If you think about all creation: all creation generally comes from a process that involves sexuality, in other words a process of the merging of the two halves. This, I feel, tells us a lot about God in the sense that there's a merging of God's masculine and feminine characteristics in order to create. And there are different effects from each part of those masculine and feminine characteristics; the masculine characteristics having certain types of forms, and the feminine characteristics having certain types of forms. [01:02:15.09]

**AJ** : Many times you see this playing out in today's society, even in an impure way, but sometimes you can see it's quite pure as well. For example you see a lot of women enhancing the creation that a man creates. In other words a man might build a house, but he's usually not very interested in putting curtains up or any other thing like that; that seems to be a more feminine trait. There's a saying that we have: a man builds a house, a woman turns it into a home, and those kinds of traits or qualities that are a part of the woman's nature are also, I believe, a part of God's nature. And part of the man's desire is to create the external shell, the structure, and I feel that that's a part of God's masculine nature as well; to create the structure, for example the laws, that allow for things to be filled up inside of it.

23.1.1. The merging of male and female parts in man or in God is involved in creation

**AJ** : It's those two halves, which I don't feel are separate in God, they are just two parts of God's single soul, that merge during the process of creation. That's what I term God's sexuality. God does not wish to have sex with her creations, just like you, if you were married and had a child, wouldn't desire to have sex with one of your children unless you had some kind of emotional problem. The reality is that these people who believe that God is sexually involved with Her creations are not correct. God is sexually involved with Herself and Himself due to the process of creation. And God has created us to be sexually involved with the other half of our soul in the same manner, where we're sexually involved with ourselves but no other part of creation.

**AJ** : We create life through the process of being sexually involved with each other; for example the creation of a baby at the time of conception. That's a beautiful example of how the merging of two intentions and two loves come together to create, if it's done in a pure manner. My belief is that it's exactly the same with God and that's my experience as well. Living matter and living things are created through this merging of the two halves.

**AJ** : I feel that this aspect of masculine qualities and feminine qualities is something that is highly overlooked on the Earth with regard to God's nature, but I feel it's an essential and key part of God's nature and qualities. [01:05:07.15]

**Interviewer** : Are there certain aspects that are entirely masculine and certain aspects that are entirely feminine in God?

**AJ** : Certainly.

**Interviewer** : And then if we grow in Divine Love, can I still absorb the masculine aspects and just express them in a feminine way and you can absorb them and express them in a masculine way?

**AJ** : Yes. Remember that each of us has a little bit of femininity or masculinity in us no matter what our underlying dominant quality is. We would definitely be able to express some of those qualities in different ways. However my feelings are that God created the female half of the soul to reflect the female half of God's soul in a dominant way and God created the masculine half of the soul to reflect in a dominant way the masculine half of God's soul. In the end that is what we're capable of performing. Of course we do this with very different personalities, which is a different part. All of us have sexuality, and personality is separate to sexuality in the sense of how sexuality is expressed. But it has to be expressed within the laws of love because remember the Laws of Divine Love are the highest laws of the universe, and then the Laws of Natural Love are under the laws of Divine Love.

**AJ** : That being the case, how I express my personality and my sexuality, when it's in harmony with love, will cause me no pain whatsoever. When I express my sexuality and personality out of harmony with love it will cause me and potentially other people and other things in the universe a great deal of harm. And this is part of God telling us too about Her nature; She only creates out of love, She doesn't have creations that are in disharmony with love. Otherwise if God did, She'd be in immense pain and the fact is that God is in no pain whatsoever. [01:07:11.13]

23.2. Experiencing God's masculine and feminine qualities

**Interviewer** : In your relationship with God you feel certain aspects are more feminine or masculine, and through that relationship with God, when you experience a certain attribute of God, you experience it with a feminine flavour or a masculine flavour?

**AJ** : Yeah. Remember the experience of God is different to God's nature. For example God has a perfect interblending of masculine and feminine qualities. Most people are one half of the soul, currently separated from the other half of their soul. If the male half of the soul experiences God, this half of the soul is capable of having a relationship with both the feminine and the masculine parts of God, but that doesn't mean that this half of the soul will become more feminine in the process; it's just having an experience of something external to itself. The female half of the soul is also capable of having a relationship with the feminine and the masculine parts of God, but it doesn't mean that the primary part of its nature will change as a result because it's God's nature being expressed to it, not its nature.

Each half of a human soul (below) is able to have a relationship with both the feminine and masculine parts of God (top)

**AJ** : In other words, what will happen is that when we enter a relationship with God, sometimes we'll feel certain things from God that definitely feel feminine. It won't make me more feminine as a result of feeling it. I am going to retain my degree of masculinity and femininity that I have as an interblending within my soul for the rest of my existence until I become at one with my soulmate. Once I become at one with my soulmate, we are one and therefore we feel in the way God feels. We feel together. The combined soul can now have a relationship with God's soul as a complete entity once that occurs. This is the soul union state, where we're now experiencing God together.

The soul in a soul union state has a relationship with God's soul as a complete entity

**AJ** : When most people on Earth and in the spirit world begin to experience God at this point in time, they are not experiencing God together. They are experiencing God as the half of the soul experiencing God. As a result of that, they will feel the feminine half of God and they'll feel the masculine half of God as separate feelings entering them. Potentially even when we're in the soul union state, we can feel the feminine half of God expressing something to us and we'll feel the masculine half of God expressing something to us; we'll still be able to do that. But because we are now one, we feel it together, not separate to the other half of ourselves.

**AJ** : We don't need to be afraid if we're a male, for example, that if we experience God and we experience the feminine side of God that somehow that will make us more female, because it will not. And we don't have be worried if we're a female that if we experience the masculine half of God that somehow that's going to make us more male, because it will not.

23.2.1. Misconceptions about masculinity and femininity on Earth

**AJ** : A lot of times on Earth the qualities that are attributed to masculinity and femininity are not. For example, many women believe gentleness is a feminine quality, and it's not. It's a quality of love; it's not a quality that's assigned to gender or sexuality. If I become more loving, I'll become more gentle. A lot of women on the planet believe that sensitivity, in particular emotional sensitivity, is a sign of femininity, and it's not. Emotional sensitivity is a sign of love; as we become more loving we become more sensitive and that's a sign of love. Some of these qualities that we believe are masculine in nature and feminine in nature are often not masculine or feminine, they're just our expression of our own injuries in fact.

**AJ** : Often when people come up to talk to me or Mary they'll say things like, "Oh I just feel you need to become more feminine in the way you do things." And I go, "Well how can I become more feminine when I'm a male, for a start, and secondly what do you classify as more feminine?" "Oh I just feel that you need to be more gentle with the way you say things to people." "Okay, very interesting, so you believe when I'm truthful and direct that that's not gentle for a start? And then you believe, because I'm truthful and direct that that's a masculine quality and not a feminine one?" However you'll find out that God is, on the feminine side, very truthful and direct. Once you connect with the feminine side of God, you will realise in fact that She is just as direct and blunt as the masculine side of God is, and just as conforming to law as the masculine side of God is. This is a misinterpretation of the aspects of femininity and masculinity that happen on Earth.

**AJ** : Because on Earth we have so much distortion about masculinity and femininity we then push those distortions onto God rather than just clearing ourselves of these distortions and allowing God to teach us about Her nature through the experience. Again, it always gets back to the experience. If I can experience the masculine side of God and I cannot experience the feminine side of God then that tells me that I'm blocked to experiencing the feminine side of God. It's not that the feminine side of God doesn't wish to talk to me or the feminine side of God has a certain nature; it just tells me that I'm blocked. If I'm a woman and I can't connect to the masculine side of God then that tells me that I have the blockage because the masculine side of God certainly wants to connect with me and that's a part of God's nature at all times. And so I need to go through the experience of releasing from myself the blockages to each half. And remember when I use the term "half" I'm talking here more in a metaphorical or an allegorical sense of God's nature because God is one soul who has masculinity and femininity perfectly expressed in that soul. If I can only connect to the masculinity perfectly expressed but I can't connect to the femininity perfectly expressed, then that tells me that I have blockages inside of myself that prevent me from doing so. It's not God that has blockages inside of Herself preventing Her from doing so. [01:13:47.05]

**Interviewer** : Is it harder for people to connect to the feminine side because of the lack Divine femininity that's ever been on the Earth?

**AJ** : Yes it is, but it's also difficult for people to connect to the masculine side of God because masculinity on Earth has been highly distorted as well. For example, what we absorb from our environment is what we then believe about God most of the time. Unless we go through a process of just rubbing out what we've absorbed from the environment and let God express Herself or Himself to us, we will continue to retain these viewpoints about God that we then push upon God. What finishes up happening is that I believe the masculine side of God to be like my environment has defined masculinity to be and I believe the feminine side of God to be what the environment has defined femininity to be.

**AJ** : Unfortunately there are positives and negatives to both of those definitions. For example, many people believe masculinity to be strong and powerful and God's masculine nature is also strong and powerful. But many people believe strength and power can be exercised without any love and gentleness, and they believe that love and gentleness is the feminine side of the power. That is not correct. The masculine side of God is perfectly able to express love and power in a gentle way without femininity. It's our absorption from our environment of this belief that men are generally emotionally harsher than women that we then impose upon God. But it's not true that men are harsher than women; it's just an absorption from our environment. Men have the capacity to be as sensitive emotionally as women do, and as a result we have the ability to connect to both sides of God. On the planet we finish up thinking that true femininity is the way it currently exists on the planet and true masculinity is the way it exists on the planet. And these are very bad assumptions. When I say bad assumptions, they're inaccurate but they also cause us not to have an open mind and allow God to teach us what femininity or masculinity actually is. [01:16:10.18]

**AJ** : Many of us also have a lot of definitions about one of those natures of sexuality. For example with femininity, a lot of men believe that femininity is weak. Why do they believe that? Because through their environment they see women crying, they have judgement of women crying. They feel that the way that women act is based on fear, and they have a judgement of fear. They don't see that fear in women is created by them a lot of the time, for example. They don't see the creation of the fear, they just see it exists in a woman and they see that the woman is expressing her fear many times. And they see that as weak.

**AJ** : They then assume that the feminine side of God must be fearful, and that's not true, and the feminine side of God must be emotionally unstable, and that's not true either. And when women look at men, they go, "Oh he's only logical, he doesn't connect with me emotionally. He'll do things if I just tell him what to do but he won't really feel about them much." That's also inaccurate and those women are going to impose those beliefs upon God and believe that that's the way God is with them. But that would also be inaccurate because God has totally different feelings for them than that, both on the masculine side and the feminine side. We've got to be very careful with masculinity and femininity, that we don't judge God through eyes which have been distorted through our environmental experience. [01:17:43.14]

**Interviewer** : This is why we can only really come to know God when we've got rid of all of those distortions from us?

**AJ** : Yes, and through the experience of God. And this is why I keep saying to people, and I said it right from the time I was in the first century as well, that without this personal experience of God, it is impossible for us to truly come to know God. We can talk about God all the time and still never know God except through the personal experience. And unless you are willing to engage the personal experience, you're never going to discover the nature of God. You can talk about the nature and attribute certain things to God's nature, but never know for certain those things about God's nature without actually having the personal experience.

24. God's attribute of being infinite

24.1. Difficulties in measuring change in God due to the infinite difference in condition between mankind and God

**Interviewer** : Last week we talked about God changing and growing. During your 2000 years, have you noticed God changing? Has there been a noticeable change for you in that time?

**AJ** : Well I believe that it's very, very hard for me to measure whether God has changed much because God is infinite in nature. Let's assume infinite is a measure; from a scale from zero to ten (and obviously that doesn't make much sense from a mathematical perspective but for the purpose of illustration), if infinity is ten, I see myself right now as being just above zero.

**AJ** : Now in that space of being just above zero, in terms of my nature, it is going to be very, very difficult for me to measure what's happening to the changes in God. I am down here, so overwhelmed with the changes that are happening within myself, all the way through my 2000 years of experience, that it's very, very difficult for me then to go, "Well how would it feel being God and changing?" at the same time.

AJ views himself as just above zero in comparison to God's infinite nature

**AJ** : At the moment my soul does not have the capacity to absorb the changes that are in God and even to measure them because of the difference in our condition. The difference in our condition is so large as to be infinite and as a result of that it is very, very difficult for me to measure God's changes when I am just above 0. So in response to your question, it does not feel like God's nature has changed much to me. And the reason it doesn't is that I'm totally overwhelmed by every little new connection I get with God that I cannot, as a result, measure the changes that are in God.

**AJ** : I find that a lot of people try to examine God through intellectual eyes. Now I can assume, based on my experience of the universe and what changes are happening to me and what changes are happening to the universe that I observe, that God's nature is changing. I feel that is a valid assumption. But in terms of measuring how much it has, and to actually feel how much it has, that is very difficult when I'm just above zero in terms of my own development in relationship to God's development. [01:21:09.13]

24.2. Milestones in discovering God's infinite nature

**Interviewer** : I gather you would feel then you've only just discovered above zero of God's nature as well?

**AJ** : I believe so, yes. I believe that there are certain milestones in your progression when you discover bits and pieces about God's nature. I may have listed some of them in last week's discussion or in a previous discussion, but if we look at the milestones again:

24.2.1. Incarnation

**AJ** : There's basically the initial moment of conception; that's a milestone because at that moment the soul has actually incarnated. From the moment that incarnation has occurred the soul is able to have a conscious experience of the universe that it exists in, and a conscious experience of itself. So that is a milestone. It is a very, very important milestone, an essential milestone to every soul ever coming into existence. Many souls are yet to experience incarnation, by the way; they live in the soul world waiting for the experience to occur. But once incarnation occurs, this process of incarnation is a defining point in our existence. From that moment on we're starting to experience, and it's even possible from that moment on to start to experience God's nature if our parents are connected to God. So we can start this process of experiencing God. If we had people on Earth who were receiving Divine Love and they have a child, then the child themselves can also, through that experience, start to feel part of God's nature from the moment of conception onwards. So that's a milestone.

24.2.2. At-onement with God

**AJ** : You could say the next milestone, in terms of the soul's progression, is at-onement with God. Now this is the milestone of the transition between the 7th and the 8th dimensions and it's the milestone that a half of the soul undertakes. One half of the soul that undertakes it first. For the first milestone, incarnation (at conception), both halves of the soul must incarnate; that has to occur twice. At at-onement, two parts of the soul have to go through that transition, and in the transition between incarnation and at-onement I'm going to learn quite a large amount about God.

24.2.3. Soul union

**AJ** : And then there is soul union, the process of the two separate halves of the soul becoming one. That is another time of a major milestone in the soul's transition, and two halves of the soul must allow themselves and have the desire to go through that transition. [01:24:17.21]

The major milestones of soul progression

**AJ** : There are two halves of the soul going through each transition. They are the major transitions in the life of the soul. Now most living people experience that incarnation. In terms of percentages very few people experience at-onement, and no person aside from myself in the first century have experienced that on Earth, in comparison with the total amount of people who have ever incarnated. And as yet very few souls have experienced the soul union state. But I view soul union state as just above zero on the scale to God.

The soul union state is just above zero in comparison to the infinite nature of God

**AJ** : Who knows what other transitions God has? In this soul union state I am now capable of absorbing far more of God's nature, far more of God's attributes and qualities, understanding far more of how God interacts with the universe and so forth, than I was when I reached at-onement. And when I reached at-onement, I was capable of understanding far more about the qualities of God, the nature and personality of God and all of those other things than when I incarnated. That makes sense of course; that is a part of our growth. But I have also got to consider that if God is infinite then it means there may be an infinite number of these transitions that my soul needs to make.

**AJ** : Therefore I am trying to project the future now; these are the points of discovery that I am trying to engage myself in. Every little state that I find myself in, I find myself understanding there is more to understand. And most people find that through their life.

**AJ** : Now imagine if there is an infinite God and I am at this point, just above zero, having undertaken the first three milestones in soul progression. That is where I am in understanding God's infinite nature and infinite qualities and infinite attributes and infinite imagination and so forth. When I look at that I go, "Hmm, there's not much I understand yet." While it might look a lot from other people's perspectives, it is still not very much. And that also helps me remain humble of course because I can see, "Wow, there is still a lot for me to find out about." And who knows how many other transitions I am going to have to go through to even approach knowing some of these things about God that I feel I want to know? [01:27:15.15]

24.3. Discovering God's infinite personality and attributes

**Interviewer** : We were talking about the personality of God and being put into different souls as a unique attribute. So in the same way you would have to meet every single soul in the universe...

**AJ** : Eventually, I feel, yes.

**Interviewer** : ... to see that expression of God?

**AJ** : Yes I feel that if I ever get to point where I've met every single soul in the universe, and that is not in this universe only, but in all universes that God has created potentially, then I will have a very much better understanding of God's nature than I currently do.

**Interviewer** : Could it be that as God is changing God is creating new souls with these new attributes?

**AJ** : Yes. That is also possible. And therefore I would have to meet them as well to truly understand. (Laughs)

**Interviewer** : You're going to be busy.

**AJ** : Yes. Can you see how you have to be quite busy in terms of your desire to understand God if you want to go through that process? This is the reason why I said in the first century, "If I cannot love my brother, who I can see, then how can I love God, who I cannot see?" because in every single one of my brothers and sisters there is a quality or an attribute that I need to see to understand God better.

25. God's attributes of being childlike

**Interviewer** : Right, well I've got more lists from before.

**AJ** : Yes, let's proceed.

**Interviewer** : Okay. Well there are a bunch of attributes that surround being quite childlike in terms of playfulness and spontaneity.

**AJ** : Yes, let's list them. It's good to list the actual qualities of what it's like to be childlike, because it doesn't mean to be a child. For instance a child has a very, very little understanding of its environment, it has very little experience. We can be adults with very, very long experiences and very large understandings of our environment and still be childlike. So let's look at this. Spontaneity...

**AJ** : What else did you mention? [01:29:37.20]

**Interviewer** : Playfulness.

**AJ** : Playfulness, yes.

**Interviewer** : That was it actually under the childlike bits.

**AJ** : Yes. Any others you can think of?

**Interviewer** : No. (Laughs)

**AJ** : Not at the moment.

**Interviewer** : Not at the moment.

**AJ** : Not under pressure.

**Interviewer** : No. (Laughs) Not with a camera pointed at me!

**AJ** : (Laughs) Exactly. You could look at those qualities of spontaneity, playfulness, and one other quality that I can think of that is very childlike is "being fully absorbed." Generally when a child is doing something, it's not distracted very easily by other things. It's fully absorbed in what it's doing. Part of this being fully absorbed in its environment is that it understands its environment through the experience. And there are many other things we could list there but let's start with those three.

**AJ** : Yes, each one of these things is a part of God's qualities; spontaneity certainly, is part of God's qualities. I've experienced spontaneity where God has instantly desired for something to occur and I've not known about it before that point in time and I could feel instantly, "Oh, God wants that to happen," so off I go and usually try to be involved in whatever that was.

**AJ** : Playfulness, yes definitely. God has very large feelings of playfulness in terms of desire to be playful, not only with all of His creatures, but the universe itself and in fact the whole process of God using Her imagination is playful. If you look at most of the creatures that we see on the Earth you can understand that playfulness is involved in the process of creativity because God obviously had a lot of playfulness in the creations of many of these things that we see around us.

**AJ** : God is also fully absorbed in everything. God does not have moments of distraction. In other words God doesn't go, "What were you saying?" (Laughs) God is fully absorbed in the moment in the particular thing God is doing. And because God has the ability to have so many things happening at the same time, God is actually absorbed in every one of them at the same time to the full extent. And that's something that we eventually come to do in time. In other words, in time you will be able to have a conversation with many people at the same time, hear them in response, and you will be fully absorbed in every conversation. You won't have, "Oh that one's Joe Blow over there, I don't like him very much so I'll be partially absorbed with him. I'll just be present." God doesn't do that and neither does a person who becomes at-one with God, where you're not just present without being involved.

**AJ** : And being involved is another part of the childlike quality. Children generally are not fearful of involvement. The only fear they contain generally is when their parents have inculcated in them that they need to be fearful, then of course the child is automatically so. But if that hasn't happened, a child automatically wants to be involved and asks to be involved, even. That's a part of our childlike nature as well. But that is not the same as childishness. Childishness I feel is to do with a lack of development, a lack of understanding. And many adults who are eighty years of age on this planet are totally childish in the sense that they are still angry, manipulative, controlling, and all these other things, which are all unloving creations through their life, and they are not a part of their childlike nature actually. [01:33:23.10]

26. God's attribute of showing attention to detail

**Interviewer** : Okay. This may be related to being fully absorbed: attention to detail.

**AJ** : Yes. If you look at everything God has ever made, it has so many multiple roles; it has so many multiple characteristics. It is intricate in detail; even single-cell living structures are intricate in detail. Mankind still has a lot of trouble understanding how they actually operate. God gives attention to every single little tiny thing. You think of things that we just swat with our hand, like an insect or a mosquito comes along and we just swat it even without thinking, and it's gone; God felt the life of that insect disappear and return to God, in fact. And God also felt what we did in the sense of understanding what we did; God felt the action and God doesn't have any judgement about the action of course, but He felt it. He understood what happened in His universe just then. And if you look at the insect itself, what a small little creature to look at and examine, and yet the only time we generally look at a mosquito is when we're just about to hit it.

**AJ** : With God, God gave enough attention to detail with it to create it. And not only that, but to create it with a purpose. That's a part of it too. What I love is that God has created all of God's creation in intricate detail with a focus and attention on it, with an intention for that particular thing to have a purpose. And God has made every single thing so intensely intricate and there's got to be something in that about love. When you look at it, yes, love does look at the intricate involvement in things and love plans for every possible contingency as well. Love is often very, very logical. [01:35:49.10]

**Interviewer** : You would say attention to detail comes under love?

**AJ** : Certainly but it also comes under truth and power I feel. The more powerful you become the more ability you have to attend to smaller details.

**Interviewer** : Because you're not all wrapped up in the big picture?

**AJ** : You're not wrapped up in the big picture all the time and in fact you see the intricate detail and how it supports the big picture. For example when I examine the environment, I see the soil and I see the insects and I see them as primary parts of the intricate nature of what God has created. I see any living organism as having intelligence and so therefore needing to be a part of any system. And yet the average person when they think, "Oh, do you want to go and create a garden? Well let's bulldoze the place or let's dig holes here or let's push over this tree here and let's create what we want," without any attention to the soil oftentimes, and definitely not the insects. Most people just totally ignore what happens to them completely. God doesn't. God created them. God created them all for a purpose and God defined that purpose in an intricate manner. God is obviously very interested in them and interested in their purpose. And the more connected with God I become, the more interested I am in the smallest of creatures as well as the largest: the human soul. [01:37:13.09]

**Interviewer** : If God didn't show attention to details in creating the universe, something would go horribly wrong, wouldn't it?

**AJ** : Exactly! Exactly, that's the other thing when you look at the universe. A lot of people would argue that the universe has gone horribly wrong and I can't agree because all the things that I've observed going wrong have been because of what man has created, not because of what God has created. At some point mankind or womankind need to say, "Look, this is what we're creating. We're creating things that are obviously out of harmony with love, they're obviously out of harmony with creating joy and peace and happiness and in harmony with creating pain and suffering." We need to stop and we need to understand that a part of God's nature is to not do that. Any time we see ourselves creating something that's out of harmony with love, out of harmony with joy, out of harmony with beauty, out of harmony with any of the other things that we've listed as a part of God's nature, we need to go, "Hmm, yes I can see I'm out of harmony and I just need to stop. I need to stop this creation for whatever reason." The reason might be that I want to transport myself from one place to another. I need to stop these creations, you see.

**AJ** : The more in harmony I get with God, the more in harmony I will get with that place where I'll be able to learn how to do things differently and desire to learn how to do things differently so that they're all in harmony with love. [01:38:39.23]

27. God's attributes of justice and impartiality

**Interviewer** : Okay. I'll just carry on, there's a few more on the list.

**AJ** : Fire away.

**Interviewer** : Yeah there's a few more: impartiality.

**AJ** : Yes, again I feel that this is a mixed quality and the results of love and justice.

**Interviewer** : So justice is a major core attribute?

**AJ** : Yeah, I feel so. You see justice built into almost everything God has done, particularly at the human soul level. God is very, very interested in justice. The reason God is interested in justice is that God sees that when mankind creates injustice, pain and suffering are the automatic results. Everything God does is always very just. Impartiality is a part of God's justice system, as well as a part of God's Love. It makes sense that if you're going to have children you'd love them all the same and I know a lot of people on Earth don't but that doesn't mean God doesn't. And it would also make sense that you would treat them all the same. If you don't treat them all the same, you cause pain. When you examine a person on Earth who's been brought up by a parent, if he's had siblings, oftentimes those brothers and sisters have been treated differently. As a result of that, the person has a lot of pain in them generally because they can feel how differently they've been treated compared to their brothers and sisters.

**AJ** : Impartiality is an essential part of the expression of love. God doesn't love me more than God loves you. Even if there's more of God's Love in me than there is in you, it doesn't mean that God loves me more, or doesn't want to love me more. What it means is that I have accepted more; I have chosen to accept more. The reality from God's perspective is that God wants all of His children to love God and God feels love for all of His children impartially. In other words, God has just as much love available to you as God has available to me. [01:40:54.12]

28. Proportions of people in different conditions in the universe

**Interviewer** : You said before that only a few people have made it to the at-onement condition. What kind of percentage out of everybody is that?

**AJ** : If you look at the souls that I'm aware of that are surrounding the Earth and the immediate spaces surrounding the Earth in terms of multidimensional spaces, at this stage the figure comes to mind of around about sixty billion souls that I know of that have come into an incarnated phase. There are still many billions and billions of souls in an un-incarnated state, but there are around sixty billion incarnated souls at this point. Of those incarnated souls around 4%, just over two and a half billion of the souls, have come into an at-onement condition with God. And of the sixty billion on Earth and in the spirit world, around one third of those souls who have passed over, twenty billion or so are in the hells of the spirit world.

**Interviewer** : Oh dear. That's a lot.

**AJ** : Another one third of those souls are in the second dimension. The rest of the souls make up the third to the seventh dimensions. So what we are left with? About seventeen and a half billion. This is without the population of Earth. [01:43:32.21]

**Interviewer** : To me, that kind of says that something's gone wrong a bit.

**AJ** : We haven't been here long.

**Interviewer** : Haven't we?

**AJ** : No. And at-onement only began 2000 years ago.

**Interviewer** : Okay.

**AJ** : Remember it's driven by free will, and so by their own free will two and a half billion people have entered the at-onement condition. I think that's pretty good. It just depends on how you look at it. As you said earlier, God's looking at it from an infinite perspective, so God will be going, "It doesn't even matter where it is, sooner or later they're all going to find me." (Laughs) The issue from my perspective is that I want to help the people who are in the hells and the second and the third to the seventh dimension and on the Earth to embrace the process of getting into the at-onement condition, to the extreme happiness that these groups of people who are in at-onement are experiencing, which is not experienced by the others. It would be great if they could begin to experience that extreme happiness. Now I believe over the coming years this graph will change greatly. [01:44:44.04]

**Interviewer** : Is that as a result, as you said, of more Divine Love being pumped into the universe?

**AJ** : Yes but also the result of our presence on Earth, being able to deliver Divine Truth back on the Earth again without distortion. That's also a large part of it. There's a great chance of us affecting a lot of people in the long run. When I say the long run, within a few hundred years there's a great chance of affecting a lot of people in the hells and in the second dimension and helping them progress them through into these more happier states of their existence.

**Interviewer** : Would you feel that God's plan is for every one of His children to be at-one with God?

**AJ** : Yes, and also to be in the soul union state. Remember if you're impartial, you wouldn't create one set of souls to never experience one thing, if that's the underlying purpose, and another set of souls to experience another. There may be times though where a group of souls are saying "no" to God, "Look I don't want to do that," and God says, "No worries. The offer is withdrawn for a while so that you can feel the pain of that condition and at some point in the future I'll offer it again and we'll see how you feel then." Over a period of infinite time, it is impossible in fact for all of these people not to reach this state of at-onement, this state here from there onwards of at-onement.

**AJ** : Now for the soul union condition, there are only a handful of people that have actually reached that condition, and so therefore in percentage terms it's hardly anything, which is a sad case. However we're only in the beginning of the process. This is the problem on Earth, we look at things and feel like eighty years is a long time, but eighty years is not very long from God's perspective and certainly not long from the perspective of the development of your own soul. [01:46:48.15]

29. Sub-attributes of God's Love (continued)

**Interviewer** : Okay. Well I've got a few more of the attributes and then probably we'll be out of time.

**AJ** : No worries.

29.1. Nurturing

**Interviewer** : One thing I've noticed sometimes when I receive Divine Love is that there's a nurturing and protective quality to it.

**AJ** : Yes. Part of the quality of love is to nurture and if we look at that word "nurture," it's a word that sort of keeps us embraced, if you like, while we go through change. That's the whole process of nurturing. If we look at nurturing a child for example, we nurture the child so that it has the ability to change in the most rapid possible way. And part of God's nature is to continually nurture His children so that they all have the ability to change in the most rapid way. Unfortunately many of God's children also exercise their will in a negative direction, which means that the people who God is trying to nurture often don't feel very nurtured because of the attacks that they're receiving from others. But from God the quality is to be nurtured and protected. [01:48:03.17]

29.2. Helpfulness

**Interviewer** : Is helpfulness a sub-aspect of that?

**AJ** : Of course.

**Interviewer** : Being immensely helpful.

**AJ** : Yes. Of course. Any person who wishes for your improvement but also wishes for your happiness is going to try to assist you to become as happy as possible in the most rapid possible way. And therefore if you look at it from God's perspective, God wishes to be as helpful as possible. God provides everything possible that we need to be able to assimilate truth, and it's only our arrogance that causes us to reject it. It's only our arrogance that actually pushes the whole thing away, that causes us to criticise. You'll find that there will even be a group of people listening to this interview who criticise. They are being arrogant because they are not seeing God's nature and they don't even want to engage the process of seeing God's nature. So how does God help those people? Well God already has ways to help them and try to nurture them.

**AJ** : They are using their arrogance to not listen and that's fine, they're able to choose to do so, but God is already trying to engage them in other ways so that eventually God breaks through their arrogance so that they finish up listening. God is even helping the darkest of individuals, let's say what we classify on Earth as the darkest of individuals - the murderers, the rapists, the people who influence large groups of other people in a negative way - God is trying to influence them through their experience as best God is able given their condition. Remember of course that on the receiving end we need to be open to be nurtured. Open to being helped. Open to being loved. Open to being treated kindly. Open to being treated compassionately. Open. So you can see the quality of being open, wanting to have an openness to being nurtured, to being helped, to being loved, to being cared for and so forth, this is a part of our humility.

**AJ** : Openness is where most of humanity falls down while they're on Earth. They become quite arrogant; they're not open. As a result of not being open they cannot absorb qualities God is trying to give to them, that they are personally rejecting. [01:50:45.19]

To feel God's Love we need to be open to receiving it and its sub-attributes

30. Communicating with God through prayer

30.1. Prayer opens up pathways in our soul and transmits desire

**Interviewer** : When we pray for some help, how does God actually instigate the help that is then offered to us? Can God ramp up laws around us?

**AJ** : No, God doesn't change a single law, but there is a law about desires. You see when we pray, we are engaging laws that we're not otherwise engaging. One of the laws that we're engaging is to be open. There must an openness in you before something can be given to you by God. When I pray, and it's a sincere prayer driven by passion and desire inside of myself as a feeling, my soul becomes open. When my soul becomes open I have the capacity to absorb the gift that God is giving. This is the operation of prayer. Prayer does two things, not one thing. Firstly it creates a condition inside of the individual of receptiveness. It has this transforming effect on your own soul initially, of creating a condition where you're willing to accept something. In other words it actually opens you to humility. It opens you to being open to receive. Now that you're open to receive, something can be given.

**AJ** : The second thing is that it transmits what you desire to the person who's capable of giving it, God. It is also a transmission of desire. It could even be a desire that is out of harmony with love, by the way, and if that's the case it won't be answered by God because God is incapable of answering any desire out of harmony with love. But if we're transmitting a desire in harmony with love to God, why would God not want to give? When God does give, because we've already created a condition of receptivity inside of us through the process of prayer, we're going to receive. We're going to receive because the openness inside of our soul emotionally has been created.

So prayer has a multitude of effects upon our soul. And it's not the kind of prayer that most religions talk about, a prayer that comes from the mind, a rote learning of a certain type of slogan, or a series of statements that we then say over and over again. Obviously none of those kinds of prayers can open our soul so therefore those kinds of prayers do not create receptivity. And many times, although there may be a transmission of desires, because we're not already open, we will never receive anything, even if God wanted to give them. [01:54:05.21]

30.2. Particles that are transmitted during prayer

**Interviewer** : Last week you talked about the particles that travel from us to God.

**AJ** : Yes, which are emotions.

**Interviewer** : The particles are emotions as well?

**AJ** : Yeah, they are actual emotions, which are particles. They have colour, sound, taste, smell; these emotions that come out of us have got all sorts of qualities. The emotions that we transmit towards God are particles that actually exit our universe and enter God.

**Interviewer** : They're a different type of emotion than if I project an emotion at you?

**AJ** : No.

**Interviewer** : It's the same thing?

**AJ** : Same kind of thing.

**Interviewer** : But a different particle?

**AJ** : Well, no both come from me; they're the same kind of particle. It comes from me and enters another person. God has created all persons with the ability to transmit emotions towards each other and to receive them. And it can occur instantly, and as a result of that these particles are not bound by space or time. They involve our emotions, our feelings and our passions and desires. If they're in harmony with love they will create a condition of receptivity and a transmission of desire. They can also be out of harmony with love and still create a receptive condition. In other words I can have a desire to go and do something evil, and that's going to create a receptive condition in my soul to accept evil things.

**AJ** : In other words I accept that I want to create that particular thing and I'll also attract people to me who will show me how to do evil things, as a result of that desire. Naturally. Our prayer can be exercised in a negative way as well. But if we're talking about the kind of prayers God answers, then God can only answer the prayers that are directed towards God, a transmission of desire based on a pure motivation for truth or love or humility, in particular those three things, but also for justice and other parts of God's nature. We can pray for anything that's a part of God's nature to enter us, but it has to be a pure desire and we have to have an openness to the reception of it before it's going to benefit us. [01:56:30.17]

30.3. Similarities in God's Soul and our souls

**Interviewer** : When someone in the Bible, and it might have been you, I can't remember... (Laughs)

**AJ** : (Laughs) Yeah, go on.

**Interviewer** : ... said that man was made in God's image. Was that you? Or was it someone else?

**AJ** : No, it's also said in Genesis, in the book of Genesis that man was made in God's image.

**Interviewer** : Was that referring to the souls or these particles... the souls?

**AJ** : Yes.

**Interviewer** : So God is a soul. How have you discovered that?

**AJ** : I'm not saying that God's Soul is created of exactly the same matter as our soul. But the fact is that we are God's children in a pure sense and in a scientifically physics-based sense. That being the case our soul is made up of very similar particles as God's soul. The fact is that we can receive particles from God's Soul, Divine Love is one of them, and we can transmit particles to God's Soul that God receives, and our love is one of those particles. The reality is that if we can transmit particles between ourselves and God and God can transmit particles between God and ourselves, then it makes sense that there's very similar matter inside of our soul as there is inside of God's soul.

**AJ** : It doesn't mean that we have the complete set of matter inside of our soul that's inside of God's soul because God's soul is much larger and infinite in nature. But it does mean that there is a high likelihood of similar particles existing in both souls. [01:58:11.20]

30.4. Soul to soul communication

**Interviewer** : And so with us being souls, we communicate in a certain way and then you can communicate with God in the same way?

**AJ** : Yes. You know how we communicate at the moment? We have our soul, we have our spirit body which has its mind, we have our physical body which has its brain, and we have a feeling in our soul that generates a thought in our mind which is then translated to language in our brain. And then we speak it. It's a very, very inaccurate form of communication. If we could just transmit it by coming out of the soul to the other person's soul, then that would be very accurate. It doesn't have to go through intellectual analysis and it doesn't have to go through language translation and speech, and it doesn't have to go on the receiving end through a hearing device. And it doesn't have to go through the reverse translation again, which is often fraught with dangers of its own. And then back into a mind and then back into an emotion. Transmission of emotions using this method is very, very cumbersome and also not very accurate.

Communication from soul to soul is much more accurate than via the spirit body and physical bodies

**AJ** : This is why I can say many things and I'm often feeling at the same time in a person, "They have no idea what I'm saying to them because they're hearing something completely different because they're not hearing my feelings. They're hearing my words." Now with God and us, God's teaching us to hear His feelings for us. And God's teaching us that we need to have feelings for God in order to have a relationship. And in a way God's also teaching us that this is the best way for us to communicate, you and I. If you and I communicate with feelings for each other, now the feelings will be much more accurate, we'll feel the feeling rather having to interpret the feeling. And this is why you can be talking to some people and the words coming out of their mouth are all words of love and at the same you feel like you're getting attacked or you feel like you're being harmed and that's because the feelings coming out of them aren't in harmony with the words.

**AJ** : They've learnt to cut their spirit and physical bodies off, but their soul has a totally different way of feeling to what their bodies are expressing. God does not wish us to do that. God wishes us to learn how to communicate with our feelings, even if we've got to communicate them with words, so that we can actually feel each other more accurately and not base things on all of this interpretation process, which is fraught with miscommunication.

**AJ** : This is why I find many people who listen to my videos these interviews don't get to feel me unless they're open enough to stop the intellectual barrage that they get inside of themselves about what I'm saying. If they could feel me, then they could feel my sincerity. If they could feel me, then they could feel my love for them. If they could feel me, they could feel that I'm stating the truth. They could feel all of those things. But the fact is that most people are still very detuned from their feelings, and as a result of that they're also detuned from God because the only way God can transmit Her feelings to you is by you being open to feelings. That's the only way that God can transmit Her feelings for you, to you.

**AJ** : This discussion of God's attributes is a very important discussion but it is more important I believe to understand that while God has all of these attributes, I am never going to personally experience them unless I enter this experience with God. To do that I am going to have to be humble. I'm going to have to be very truthful with myself. And I am going to have to want to learn how to love. Because that is the thing God wants to teach me the most. And if I could do that, then everything will change quite rapidly in my own life and in the lives of people around me. And I feel like the attributes of God and the qualities of God are all geared to help me do that. Every one of God's attributes and qualities that I have personally felt have all been geared to help me come to terms with love, come to terms with truth, to be humble and to just be open to this process of learning how to feel everything around me, to be sensitive to everything around me. [02:02:31.05]

31. Benefits of engaging a relationship with God

**Interviewer** : As you said we've talked about all of these great attributes, but could you summarise what's the benefit of actually connecting to God? What do we get out of it?

**AJ** : Well I think the benefits have been probably been explained through the course of the interview in the sense that once I connect to God and become at-one with God, the qualities of God enter me. I become joyful all the time, not just some of the time. I become desirous all of the time, not some of the time. I become creative all of the time, not some of the time. I become spontaneous all of the time, not some of the time. And so forth. All the things God is, is what I start to become. If you think about it from that perspective, there's so much involved with that in terms of the beautiful results of having a connection with God.

**AJ** : I also become less of all the things that God is not. In other words, once I become at-one with God I'm no longer angry because God's never angry. I'm no longer sad because God's never sad. The things that are unpleasant and painful to experience in this life all disappear as a result as well. And I know it's difficult for most people on Earth to trust that and to even believe that it is possible, but it is possible, and we can trust it because God is far better in characteristics and attributes than any individual on this planet. If you think about the best individual on this planet, whoever that is, God has far more love than they do, God has far more kindness and compassion, God has far more of these attributes of truth and humility than they do. God has far more of every one of those qualities. Now if God has far more than any one of those qualities, then God's imagination of what this Earth could be is far better than any person on Earth's imagination of what it could be, even in their most positive moment.

**AJ** : Having a Pollyanna attitude or an attitude of positivity about God and God's creations and the future is, I feel, an automatic result of understanding where God is and understanding what parts of God's nature can enter me and transform me. As those parts of God's nature enter me and transform me, I will automatically become more and more of what God is; more and more kind, compassionate, understanding, just, humble, modest, and all of these other kinds of capacities, attributes and qualities that God has enter me and I become more like God.

**AJ** : And that's why in the first century I said, "You must become perfect just as your heavenly father is perfect." And as you do that, you will go through this transition of becoming more and more like God so much that not only will you personally understand God's attributes and qualities but anyone around you will also begin to understand what God's qualities must be through your interaction with them. [02:05:38.23]

**Interviewer** : Awesome. (Laughs)

**AJ** : That's good.

32. Closing Words

**Interviewer** : Thank you very much, AJ, it's been a delight.

**AJ** : Thanks, Luli, yeah.

