HAWAIʻI GROWS ONLY 10 TO 13% OF THE
FOOD CONSUMED IN THE ISLANDS.
THE REST IS IMPORTED.
NUMEROUS INITIATIVES WANT TO
CHANGE THAT RATIO BUT HOW?
A NEW STUDY SUGGESTS THAT
HAWAIʻI CONSIDER THE SUCCESS OF
NATIVE HAWAIIAN PRACTICES OF
THE PAST BY APPLYING
TRADITIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND
PRINCIPLES TO TODAY'S WORLD.
ESPECIALLY WITH INCREASED THREATS
OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
JOIN THE DISCUSSION ON
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE
TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST
AND LIVESTREAM OF
INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI
START NOW.
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[INTRO MUSIC]
>>Lara: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO
INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI.
I'M LARA YAMADA.
BEFORE WESTERN CONTACT,
HAWAIIANS WERE
SELF-SUFFICIENT, PRODUCING
ENOUGH FOOD TO NOT ONLY
SURVIVE, BUT THRIVE.
RESEARCHERS ESTIMATE THAT THE
INDIGENOUS POPULATION PRODUCED
MORE THAN ONE MILLION TONS OF
FOOD, WHICH COULD FEED MOST
ISLAND RESIDENTS TODAY.
GOVERNOR IGE WANTS HAWAIʻI TO
DOUBLE ITS CURRENT FOOD OUTPUT
BY 2020, WHICH IS FAST
APPROACHING.
AS WE SEARCH FOR WAYS TO
ACHIEVE THAT GOAL ARE WE
OVERLOOKING AN OPTION FROM THE
PAST?
OUR GUESTS TONIGHT INCLUDE
EXPERTS IN INDIGENOUS AND
SUSTAINABLE FOOD PRODUCTION.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S
SHOW. YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS. AND
YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF
THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG
AND THE PBS HAWAIʻI FACEBOOK
PAGE. 2
NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.
NATALIE KURASHIMA IS AN
INTEGRATED RESOURCES MANAGER
FOR KAMEHAMEHA SCHOOLS. SHE
SUPPORTS COMMUNITY-BASED
STEWARDSHIP OF NATURAL AND
CULTURAL RESOURCES.
ALBIE MILES IS AN ASSISTANT
PROFESSOR OF SUSTAINABLE
COMMUNITY FOOD SYSTEMS AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI’I, WEST
O’AHU.
KAMUELA ENOS IS THE SOCIAL
ENTERPRISE DIRECTOR FOR MA’O
ORGANIC FARMS. HE IS ALSO A
LECTURER AT UH MANOA’S
DEPARTMENT OF URBAN AND
REGIONAL PLANNING.
AND NOA LINCOLN IS AN
ASSISTANT PROFESSOR FOR
INDIGENOUS CROPPING SYSTEMS AT
THE COLLEGE OF TROPICAL
AGRICULTURE AND HUMAN
RESOURCES AT THE UH MANOA.
MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US
THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL OF YOU
FOR BEING HERE.
INTERESTING TOPIC.
BEEN ON PEOPLE'S MINDS FIRE
LONG TIME.
GREAT TO DELVE DEEP FLOOR IT.
SOME AREAS THAT PEOPLE AREN'T
QUITE AS FAMILIAR WITH.
ALL OF YOU ARE.
TALKING ABOUT INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURE.
MAYBE NATALIE, I'M GOING TO
ASK YOU FIRST.
EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHO AREN'T
AS FAMILIAR WITH IT, WHAT YOU
MEAN BY INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURE.
>> SOME OF OUR RESEARCH,
LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT CROPPING SYSTEMS.
LO'I PEOPLE MIGHT BE FAMILIAR
WITH, DRY LAND FIELD SYSTEMS
AND AGRIFORESTRY SYSTEMS.
THERE'S A HUGE VARIETY OF
CROPPING SYSTEMS THAT ARE 3
KUPUNA USED TO GROW FOOD IN
HAWAI'I.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE
RESTORATION OF THESE SYSTEMS
TODAY, WANT TO MAKE THE POINT
DYNAMIC AND UNCONTINUED NOW,
CULTURE IS DYNAMIC.
PEOPLE ARE DYNAMIC AND SYSTEMS
INDIGENOUS RESTORATION,
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE
RESTORATION TODAY IS BASED
UPON THE INDIGENOUS
PRINCIPLES, VALUES, TO CREATE
SYSTEMS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE
FOR TO DO'S SOCIAL AND
ENVIRONMENTAL CONTEXT.
>>Lara: DO YOU WANT TO JUMP
IN?
WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY THINK
ABOUT INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE?
>> FOR ME, IDEA OF INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURE SYSTEM IS KIND OF
UNDERSTANDING WHAT INDIGENOUS
MEANS.
PROFESSOR IS MEYER.
TALKIES ABOUT IT.
INDIGENOUS TO SOME PLACE.
VERY SPECIFIC PLACE.
LAND.
PRACTICES.
ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE IN
INDEFINITELY.
TALK ABOUT CONTINUITY, DEEP
RELATIONSHIPS WITH HOW THE
HAND ESCAPE WORKS, HOW PEOPLE
WORK TOGETHER, AROUND THE
LANDSCAPE AND HOW THE SCIENCES
THAT COME OUT OF A CLOSE TIES,
PRACTICALLY APPLIED TO PEOPLE.
APPLY TO UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE
AROUND YOU.
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LAND.
KEY UNDERPENGUINS OF IT, JUST
SAY, WELL, NOT REALLY ABOUT
RACE OR ETHNICITY IN SOME
RESPECTS.
ABOUT A VALUE SYSTEM THAT
UNDERSTANDS INTERCONNECTEDNESS
AND UNDERSTAND INTRINSIC 4
CARRYING CAPACITIES AND
UNDERSTAND THAT YOU SEE
LANDSCAPE AS ENDOWMENT FUTURE
GENERATIONS HAVE THE RIGHT TO.
IT'S NOT THIS EXTRACTING,
EXTRACTING, EXTRACTING FOR
NOW, BUT BEQUEATHING SYSTEMS
THAT WORK FOR EACH GENERATION.
>> SUSTAINABILITY.
THAT ISSUE.
FEEDING THE POPULATION, HOW
WE'RE DOING IT, WHAT WAY, WHAT
DOES THIS MEAN?
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE, HOW
DOES THAT FIT INTO THE WORLD
THAT YOU WORK IN?
>> INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE, I
THINK, CAN SERVE AS IMPORTANT
MODELS BECAUSE THEY'VE ENDURED
FOR SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF
TIME.
THEIR REFERENCE
AGORAECOSYSTEMS THAT WE CAN
STUDY AND DERIVE PRINCIPLES
FOR HOW WE WOULD MANAGE MODERN
AGRICULTURE SYSTEMS IN THE
CURRENT ERA.
>>Lara: FOR YOU?
YOU'RE LOOKING AT CROPS?
>> I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY
TOO LOOK AT INDIGENOUS AG,
MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD,
SOUTH U.S., CENTRAL, SOUTH
AMERICA, BRAZIL, NEW ZEALAND,
SAMOA, MARQUESAS.
EXTREMELY PLACE ADAPTED.
DOESN'T COME WITH A
PRECONCEIVED NOTION WHAT YOU
DO WITH THE LAND.
DEVELOPED IN CONCERT WITH THE
ECOLOGY OF THE LANDS, NEEDS OF
PEOPLE TO DEVELOP LONGLASTING
ENDURING, BEQUEATHED FORMS OF
AGRICULTURE.
ESSENCE TO ME IS THAT
ADAPTATION WITH PLACE AND WITH
ECOLOGY.
>>Lara: HOW DOES
CONVERSATION? 5
BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE HAVE
HEARD SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE
ESPECIALLY RECENT YEARS A LOT
MORE.
THAT KIND OF RINGS IN THEIR
EARS A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE
PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT,
USING THE TERM SUSTAINABILITY
HERE IN THE ISLANDS.
MAKING AGRICULTURE AS WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, MORE
PROMINENT INDUSTRY HERE, NOT
JUST SO MUCH RELIANT ON
TOURISM.
HOW DOES THAT DIFFER TO YOU?
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE, AS
OPPOSED TO, OR IN COMPARISON
TO INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE?
>> I THINK THAT AS I
MENTIONED, I THINK THAT THE
INDIGENOUS FARMING SYSTEMS OF
HAWAI'I, BUT ALSO INDIGENOUS
FARMING SYSTEMS FROM AREAS ALL
OVER THE WORLD, CAN SERVE AS
IMPORTANT MODELS.
AND WE CAN INTEGRATE SOME OF
THE PRINCIPLES ECOLOGICALLY
BASED MANAGEDMENT DERIVED FROM
THE ECOLOGICAL SYSTEMS AND
APPLIED THEM TO MODERN.
CONSUMERS ARE INTERESTED IN
PURCHASING PRODUCTS GROWN IN
MORE ECOLOGICALLY SUSTAINABLE
WAY.
WHAT WE SEE IN THE EXPONENTIAL
ANY GROWTH OF THE ORGANIC FOOD
INDUSTRY.
STARTING TO SEE THE KIND OF
COMMERCIALIZATION OF PRACTICES
THAT HAVE THEIR ORIGINS IN
INDIGENOUS FOOD AND FARMING.
>>Lara: HOW DO YOU SEE AS
MAKING THIS TRANSITION?
I THINK SOME PEOPLE LISTENING
AND I KNOW COME TO MIND FOR ME
TOO, FEELS, HOW DO WE TAKE
THINKING ABOUT INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURE AND THEN BRING IT
TO A BROADER SCALE? 6
WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW IN THAT
HAPPENING?
IS THAT STILL, ARE WE STILL A
WAYS AWAY FROM REACHING THAT
POINT?
>> FOR ME, THERE CAN BE A
DISTINCTION BETWEEN INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURAL SYSTEMS AND
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DOING
AGRICULTURE.
THEY'RE BOTH IMPORTANT BECAUSE
ONE IS PROPAGATION,
METHODOLOGY WITH PRACTICES BUT
VALUES.
THE OTHER IS CONVERSATION
ABOUT EQUITY.
GIVE OUR PEOPLE FOR THOUSANDS
OF YEARS, LIVE ACROSS ISLANDS
AND LAND IN HAWAI'I.
HUNDREDS OF YEARS, HAD TIES TO
PLACE.
SYSTEM THESE WERE DESIGNED FOR
HAWAI'I, AHUPUAA SYSTEMS
REALLY DOING MANY THINGS AT
ONCE.
IT WAS FOOD PRODUCTION, ALSO
ALSO SOCIAL.
CARING FOR EACH OTHER, SOCIAL
NETWORK AND ECONOMIC SYSTEM AS
SPIRITUAL SYSTEM.
SERVING OF THAT WAS THE
BEGINNING OF POVERTY.
BEGINNING OF ALL THE THINGS
LANDSCAPE BECAME DEGREDATED
AND COMMUNITIES BECAME BROKEN.
RESTORATION OF THEM TOGETHER.
>>Lara: DISCONNECT.
>> IDEA THAT YOU CAN HEAL
PEOPLE WHO ARE ISLANDERS AND
YOU DO ENVIRONMENTAL
PRESERVATION WORK IN SILOS IS
FALSE RESTORATION TOGETHER IS
CRITICAL.
TALK ABOUT LATE, MAO, ABLE TO
PURCHASE LARGE PARCEL OF LAND
WITH PARTNERSHIP OF KAMEHAMEHA
AND INDIGENOUS DOING
AGRICULTURE AND INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITIES DOING AGRICULTURE
AS INTENTIONAL PRACTICE. 7
>>Lara: WOULD YOU SAY THIS
IS A NEWER, FOR LACK OF BETTER
WAY OF PUTTING IT, NEWER
MOVEMENT TOWARD BETTER MORE
EDUCATED MORE STRATEGIC FOCUS
ON BRINGING INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURE INTO A BROADER
SCALE?
HOW IS THIS PROGRESS HAPPENED
FOR YOU?
WHERE DO YOU FEEL WE'RE AT AS
FAR AS COMING INTO PLAY ON A
LARGER SCALE THESE KINDS OF
CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING
RIGHT NOW ARE REPRESENT OF
INTEREST IN FOOD SYSTEM
TRANSFORMATION, NOT ONLY HERE
IN HAWAI'I, BUT ALL OVER THE
WORLD.
STARTING TO SEE THE NEGATIVE
CONSEQUENCES OF
INDUSTRIALIZATION OF FOOD AND
AGRICULTURE SYSTEM, PUBLIC
HEALTH, IN TERMS OF
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, AND
PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
QUALITY OF THEIR FOOD, AND THE
NEGATIVE EXTERNAL TIES
ASSOCIATED WITH PRODUCING
FOOD.
I THINK THAT BY VIRTUE OF THE
FACT WE SEE MORE AND MORE
RESEARCHERS STUDYING
SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE, MORE
AND MORE STUDENTS ARE
INTERESTED IN SUSTAINABLE FOOD
AND AGRICULTURAL SYSTEMS, I
THINK THAT THAT'S EXAMPLE OF
HOW IT IS GROWING AND POPULAR
CULTURE AND AS I MENTIONED,
DEMAND FOR ORGANIC FOOD
PRODUCTS IS GROWING VERY
RAPIDLY.
SO I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF
PUBLIC INTEREST IN THIS TOPIC.
>> I WANTED TO SAY THAT I
THINK OUR COMMUNITIES
GRASSROOTS LEVEL AND MANY
COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD,
HAVE BEEN DOING INDIGENOUS AND 8
SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE FOR
GENERATIONS.
I THINK NOW, MAYBE POLICY
LEVEL, PEOPLE ARE RECOGNIZING
IT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO DISCREDIT
THAT ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN
DONE AND I THINK A LOT OF THE
RESEARCH AND PAPER THAT WE
WROTE WAS RECOGNIZING WHAT OUR
COMMUNITIES HAVE KNOWN FOR A
LONG TIME.
KUPUNA WERE SUSTAINABLE AND WE
CAN USE PRACTICES TO BE
SUSTAINABLE TODAY.
>>Lara: TALK ABOUT YOUR
STUDIES.
THANK YOU FOR THE TRANSITION.
TALK ABOUT THE RESEARCH THAT
YOU'VE DONE.
EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHAT IT WAS
ABOUT AND WHAT YOUR GOAL WAS.
>> JUST LOOKING AT KNOWING
THAT IKE KUPUNA COULD
CONTRIBUTE TO SUSTAINABILITY
ISSUES, I WAS INTERESTED
UNDERSTANDING WHERE INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURAL SYSTEMS EXIST IN
HAWAI'I, WHAT WAS OUR
PRODUCTION, WHAT IS OUR
POTENTIAL UNDER TODAY'S LAND
USE, AND IN TODAY'S FUTURE
CLIMATE CHANGES, SO WHAT WE
DID WAS BROUGHT TOGETHER
ENVIRONMENTAL AND CLIMATIC
PERIMETERS CREATED MODEL TO
CREATE MAPS WHERE THE SYSTEMS
COULD EXIST.
WOULD EXIST.
WE MATCHED IT UP WITH
ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND HISTORIC
EVIDENCE, PRETTY ACCURATE.
COULD ESTIMATE PRODUCTION
LEVELS.
THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU
SHARED WITH THE AUDIENCE, WE
COULD HAVE BEEN PRODUCING OVER
A MILLION METRIC TONS PER
YEAR.
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE EATING 9
IN HAWAI'I TODAY.
POTENTIAL MAXIMUM THEORETICAL
CAPACITY OVER 1.2 MILLION
KANAKA IWI AT THE TIME OF
COOK'S ARRIVAL IN THE LATE
1700'S.
THEN FROM THERE, WE TOOK THAT
MODEL AND OVERLAID
DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE ONE OF THE MOST
URBANIZED PACIFIC ISLANDS IN
THE WORLD.
DEVELOPMENT ONLY SLIGHTLY
REDUCED PRODUCTION.
12%.
MAJORITY OF LANDS ARE ZONED
AGRICULTURAL TODAY.
WE COULD RESTORE THEM WITHOUT
ZONING ISSUES.
IMPORTANT THING WE DID FIND
WAS A LOT OF THE INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURAL LANDS THAT WERE
IDENTIFIED WEREN'T NECESSARILY
CONSIDERED PRIME AGRICULTURAL
LANDS BY TODAY'S STATE
STANDARDS.
I THINK IT JUST SERVES TO
ILLUSTRATE THE FACT THAT
CONTINENTAL AGRICULTURAL
SYSTEM AND LAND USE SYSTEM WAS
PUT UPON OUR ISLANDS AND SO I
THINK THAT'S A HUGE SHIFT IN
HOW WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT OUR
AG LANDS.
THESE PLACES WE KNOW ARE
RESILIENT.
WE KNOW COULD PRODUCE FOOD FOR
ALMOST A MILLENIA.
WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THEM AS
PRIME AG LANDS TODAY.
LOOKED AT CLIMATE CHANGE.
HOW WOULD BE SYSTEMS PRODUCE,
HOW WOULD THE PRODUCTION OF
THESE SYSTEMS CHANGE UNDER THE
INCREASED TEMPERATURE AND
DECREASED PRECIPITATION WE
KNOW IS COMING.
WE FOUND THAT, CREATED A MAP
THAT SHOWED THESE AREAS THAT
ARE GOING TO BE REALLY 10
RESILIENT UNDER OF RANGE OF
CLIMATE SCENARIOS.
POLICY MAKERS AND LANDOWNERS
CAN USE TO FOCUS RESTORATION
TODAY.
>>Lara: DO YOU THINK THAT
TYPE OF RESEARCH NEEDED TO
HAPPEN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO
TRANSITION?
WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURAL AND
TRANSFER IT TO TODAY'S WORLD,
TO HAWAI'I'S WORLD TODAY?
WAS THAT A NECESSARY PROJECT,
NECESSARY RESEARCH?
>> I THINK FOR POLICYMAKERS,
FOR ACADEMICS THEY WANT TO SEE
IT.
COMMUNITIES A LOT OF PEOPLE DO
KNOW, KUPUNA WERE SUSTAINABLE.
BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF FOOD
SELF-SUFFICIENCY STUDIES
HAWAI'I COULD NEVER DO IT.
COULD NEVER PRODUCE ITS OWN
FOOD.
THIS IS JUST ONE STEP TO
EMPOWERING US TO KNOW THAT WE
CAN DO IT.
WE DID DO IT AND WE CAN DO IT
TODAY.
>>Lara: I THINK THAT'S, I'M
GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION.
MINDSET I THINK AT THIS POINT
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IS,
ALREADY SO URBANIZED.
SO MUCH BEING DEVELOPED.
IS THIS LAND IS BEING USED IN
CERTAIN WAYS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.
SO THE QUESTION MIGHT BE, SO
WHY, WHAT SORT OF THE HOLD UP
IF THE LANDS ARE AVAILABLE,
AND THEY CAN BE USED IN THIS
WAY, WHAT IS HOLDING UP THAT
PROGRESS?
A LOT OF THINGS.
PEOPLE POINT TO A LOT OF THE
ISSUES.
OBVIOUSLY, IN A VERY
COMMERCIAL CONSUMER DRIVEN 11
SOCIETY ECONOMICS PLAY OUT IN
A HUGE PART.
ESSENCE OF LAND AND LABOR IN
HAWAI'I ESPECIALLY WHEN OUR
POLITICAL THERE IS REALLY
GEARED TOWARDS
SUPPORTING
INDUSTRIES THAT MAYBE DON'T
TAKE HAWAI'I FIRST, RIGHT?
TOURISM VERY EXTRACTIVE
INDUSTRY.
MILITARY IS A VERY EXTRACTIVE
INDUSTRY.
AND THESE YET, WHAT WE'RE VERY
HEAVILY RELIANT ON.
TAKES I THINK A VERY CLEAR
VISION AND WILL AND I THINK WE
SEE THAT IN THE PAST.
WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW THESE
SYSTEMS OF AGRICULTURE LAID
OUT IN TERMS OF POLITICAL
DIVISIONS AND HOW THEY REALTY
TO VERY KEY LEADERS IN
HAWAI'I'S HISTORY.
VERY KEY CHEIFS THAT ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE
BREADFRUIT BELT IN KONA, WITH
THE ESTABLISHMENT OF HELEMOA
COCONUT GROVE IN DOWNTOWN
WAIKIKI.
TOOK POLITICAL WILL AND VISION
TO ESTABLISH THESE THINGS IN
THE FIRST PLACE AND TAKE THAT
AGAIN TODAY TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
>> THINK I REALLY QUICKLY, TO
PIGGYBACK WHAT I THINK IS
HAPPENING, IN THE POSITIVES,
COMMUNITY HAS TO BE BACK AT
THE TABLE.
I THINK IF IT'S ANCESTRAL
TIME, PEOPLE CARED FOR THE
LAND, WEREN'T SERVANTS.
THEY WERE CONTENT EXPERTS.
>> DEEP SCIENCE AND PRACTICES
HOW TO MAKE FOOD GROW WITHIN
THEIR SPECIFIC SPACE.
THERE'S BEEN A HUGE MOVEMENT
TO RECLAMATION OF PRACTICE FOR
MANY YEARS NOW.
NOW, HAVE YOU THIS 12
MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY
CALLED INNOVATIVE EDUCATION.
PEOPLE ARE RESTARTING
PRACTICES.
HAWAI'I RENAISSANCE IN THE
SEVENTIES.
MY FATHER KAALA FARMS, EARLY
MOVER IN THAT.
NOW BEEN NORMALIZED BEHAVIOR.
OUTPUT SOCIAL INDIGENOUS
ENTERPRISE MAU, MOVING INTO
MASS FOOD PRODUCTION AND OTHER
THINGS THAT REPLICATE HOW OUR
ANCESTORS LIVE IN PLACE.
METRICS THAT ARE BEGINNING TO
COME OUT OF IT IN TERMS OF
SALES, IN TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT
FIGURES AND THOSE TYPES OF
THINGS, THE BUSINESS OF
GOVERNMENT IS THIS.
WHAT WE BEGIN TO RECLAIM THE
ECONOMIC ENGINES AND COOL
THINGS AGAIN, IT BEGINS TO
NECESSARY PART OF THE CHEIFS
WHO PUT THE IDEAS OUT, MAKAINA
TOOK THE IDEAS AND MADE THEM
PRACTICE.
THOSE DYNAMICS ARE EMERGENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES
FOR BAD LEADERSHIP TO MOVE OUT
OF THE WAY.
PEOPLE COMING IN HUNGRY.
>>Lara: QUESTION FOR YOU.
ALL OF REALLY.
DO YOU THINK THAT FOR A LOT OF
THE FOLKS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURAL AND
LOCAL AGRICULTURE, LOCAL
COMMUNITY, TRYING TO BUILD
THAT, THERE'S MORE OF A
RECOGNITION NOW WITH THE WORLD
WE LIVE IN, THE WAY THE STATE
IS NOW, THE POLITICS INVOLVED,
THAT THOSE TYPES OF METRICS OR
RESEARCH TO SHOW OUTCOMES
NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR IT TO MOVE
FORWARD ON A LARGER SCALE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S
NECESSARILY JUST HERE EITHER.
WE THINK ELSEWHERE. 13
IS THERE MUCH MORE THAT DEMAND
AND ALSO RECOGNITION THAT
NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE
PRODUCERS THAT THAT'S PART OF
THE PROGRESS NOW?
>> RESPOND TO THAT.
COUPLE OF I WAS.
I THINK THAT THE SCIENTIFIC
LITERATURE NOW MATURING AROUND
MORE ECOLOGICALLY SUSTAINABLE
OR BIOLOGICALLY DIVERSIFIED
FARMS SYSTEMS.
AND THE RANGE OF ECOSYSTEMS
SERVICE OR ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS
DERIVED FROM THESE TRADITIONAL
OR BIOLOGICALLY DIVERSIFIED
FARMING SYSTEMS.
I THINK SOCIETY BEGINS TO
VALUE THE ECOLOGICAL OUTCOMES
OF CERTAIN TYPES OF FARMING
PRACTICES, WE BEGIN TO
RECOGNIZE THE COST OF THE
INDUSTRIAL MODEL OF
AGRICULTURE, SOCIETY GOING TO
BEGIN TO MAKE DIFFERENT
CHOICES.
WE THINK SEE THAT.
AGAIN, WITH THE GROWTH OF THE
ORGANIC FOOD INDUSTRY.
PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR
DIFFERENT SET OF ECOLOGICAL
PERHAPS HUMAN HEALTH OUT COMES
FROM THEIR FOOD.
HERE IN HAWAI'I, JUST BRIEFLY
SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
INCREDIBLE SUCCESSES AND
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN
A REMARKABLE JOB OF RESTORING
ELEMENTS OF TRADITIONAL FOOD
IN AGRICULTURAL WAYS.
IN TERMS OF CHANGING
FUNDAMENTALLY ASPECTS OF FOOD
PRODUCTION AND THE FOOD SYSTEM
OF HAWAI'I, JUST IN TERMS OF
LOCAL PRODUCTION, THERE ARE
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
STRUCTURAL OBSTACLES THAT WE
FACE.
HIGH COST OF LAND.
HIGH COST OF LABOR OR ACCESS 14
TO SKILLED LABOR.
AND ACCESS TO CAPITOL ARE SOME
OF THE TOP THREE THINGS THAT
FARMERS HERE IN HAWAI'I,
WHETHER THEY'RE TRADITIONAL
FARMERS OR COMMERCIAL FARMERS,
FACE IN TERMS OF INCREASING
THE SCALE PRODUCTION TO
ACHIEVE SOME KIND OF GOAL THAT
GOVERNOR IGE HAS SET.
>>Lara: ONE THING THAT CAME
TO MIND.
WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS
DISCUSSION, PROMISES BY THE
ADMINISTRATION TO DOUBLE FOOD
PRODUCTION.
SO I THOUGHT ABOUT SOME OF THE
MANY WONDERFUL PROJECTS, WORK
IN THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES,
HAD DONNA AMAZING THINGS FOR
DEVELOPING AGRICULTURE IN
THOSE AREAS.
WHAT IT TOOK IN MONEY AND COST
AND CAPITAL.
TO EVEN TO GET TO THAT LEVEL
OF PRODUCTION.
HOW SO MANY ENTITIES REALLY
WEREN'T ABLE TO SUSTAIN OR
COULDN'T SUSTAIN FOR THE
LONGTERM BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF
RESOURCES HAD TO BE PUT INTO
IT, AND THE TIME LIMIT OR THE
TIME FRAME IS TO LIMITATIONS
ON THOSE RESOURCES.
TWO YEARS.
YAY.
THEN WHAT?
WHAT IS YOUR, YOU KNOW YOU'RE
NOT INVOLVED DIRECTLY IN
GOVERNOR IGE'S PROGRAMS, BUT
WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT IN
GENERAL AS TO ARE WE, AS A
GOVERNMENT, AS A POLITICALLY,
ARE WE THINKING ABOUT WHAT
NEEDS TO HAPPEN, IN INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURE AND AGRICULTURE IN
GENERAL HERE IN HAWAI'I, FOR
IT TO BE TRULY SUSTAINABLE,
TRULY SUSTAINABLE?
>> NO. 15
I'M SORRY.
WE FUND OUR DEPARTMENT OF
AGRICULTURE GETS .4% OF OUR
STATE'S BUDGET.
WE LITERALLY PUT 0 RESOURCES
TOWARD THIS ISSUE.
YOU CAN'T EXPECT ANY CHANGE
WITHOUT PUTTING TIME AND
EFFORT AND CAPITAL TOWARDS IT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE
FIRST THING WE NEED TO CHANGE.
WE NEED TO TAKE IS SERIOUSLY.
.4% OF OUR BUDGET GOES TOWARDS
AGO.
GETTING IN TROUBLE WITH
GOVERNOR IGE, I THINK IT'S A
JOKE.
>>Lara: HAVE YOU SEWN A
SHIFT AT ALL IN THE MINDSET,
ONCE THIS INITIATIVE WITH
GOVERNOR IGE STARTED, WERE YOU
FEELING IT?
WERE YOU SEEING IT?
OR IS THERE STILL --
>> I THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE
THE HIS HISTORICAL CONTEXT
INTO CONSIDERATION.
TURNING THE TITANIC.
LOOK AT THE PAST 200 YEARS OF
HAWAIIAN AGRICULTURAL SYSTEMS,
DOMINATED BY PLANTATION
AGRICULTURE, AND THEN
GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEED
PRODUCTION, AND WE HAVE A VERY
LONG HISTORY OF NOT SUPPORTING
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT
THE TABLE TODAY.
TO MAKE THOSE SHIFTS IS NOT AN
INSTANTANEOUS THING.
IT IS TURNING THE TITANIC.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS GOING
TO TAKE I THINK, LONG AND
SUSTAINED EFFORT TO SEE THOSE
LARGE SCALE SHIFTS THAT NEED
TO HAPPEN.
AND I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE SEEN
SHIFTS IN THE CONVERSATION.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN
SHIFTS IN MUCH OF THE APPLIED
RESOURCES YET. 16
>> I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE,
ONE OF THE VALUES IS YOU'RE
INVESTING IN YOUR PLACE, AINA
AND GENEALOGY THAT FEEDS YOU
EVERY SINGLE DAY IN
PERPETUITY.
THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE
OF THE PRINCIPLES WE'RE SEEING
IN SOME OF THE AGRICULTURE
THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON TODAY.
SHORT TERM GAINS.
SHORT TERM LEASES FOR HIGH
PROFITS IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF
TIME FOR EXPORT.
NOT THINKING ABOUT IF IT IS
KANAKA IWI HARMING THE ISLAND
AND NOT THINKING ABOUT ONLY
MAKING MONEY FOR TEN YEARS.
YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW IS
MY MOOPUNA, GRANDCHILDREN
GOING TO LIVE ON LAND.
YOU INVEST DIFFERENTLY.
INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE
DIFFERENTLY.
PLANT DIFFERENTLY.
BECAUSE YOU ARE PLANNING FOR
SUSTAINABILITY.
REALLY.
>> I THINK THAT'S, YOU CAN'T
TAKE AGRICULTURE OUTSIDE OF
THE BROADER CONTEXT OF
SOCIETY.
GOVERNMENT SYSTEMS THAT WE
HAVE NOW.
AND I THINK PRECONTACT SOCIETY
THAT OUR KUPUNA GAVE US, FOCUS
WAS ON PEOPLE.
AND LANDSCAPE.
NONMONETARY ECONOMY.
AND THE WHOLE BUSINESS OF
GOVERNMENT WAS TO ENSURE THAT
PEOPLE, CONNECTION AND
LANDSCAPE.
WEALTH THAT WAS GENERATED,
THAT THEY TRACK PRODUCTIVITY
OF YIELDS OF CROP AND FITNESS
OF PEOPLE AND EQUILIBRIUM OF
SYSTEMS.
TO RESTORE THE ABILITY FOR US 17
TO BE THAT DEEPLY ATTUNED TO
OUR LANDSCAPE, BE ATTUNED TO,
AND HAVE THE RESOURCES FLOW IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION ALMOST
ASKING FOR A FULL SCALE SHIFT
OF GOVERNMENT AND ECONOMIC
SYSTEMS.
TO VALUATE.
NOW, KIND OF STUCK WITH YOU
KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS BEING
PUT TO SUPPORTING TOURISM AND
SUPPORTING TOURISM.
FOR YEARS.
THAT'S WHERE THE INERTIA IS,
PAYING EVERYBODY'S BILLS.
TAX REVENUE IS GOING TO THESE
THINGS.
REALLY TALK ABOUT SUPPORTING
AGRICULTURE AND DOING THESE
THINGS, GOING TO BE A WAKE UP
MOMENT WHERE IT'S PROBABLY
GOING TO COME IN THE FORM OF A
HURRICANE.
WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE THESE
THINGS OUT.
AFTER THAT, I THINK, IT WILL
BE A LOT MORE, REALLY SERIOUS.
HAVE TO TAKE IT THERE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE ALARMIST,
BUT I DO THINK -- I HAVE
COMPASSION FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE
TRYING.
I THINK IT'S SHIFTING THIS
INERTIA, 200 YEARS OF COLONIAL
CONTEXT.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE REALLY
RADICAL THINKING OF THINGS.
I DO BELIEVE THE SEASON IS
THERE AN PEOPLE ARE DOING THE
WORK ACROSS THE BOARD.
HOW WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER
MORE AND MORE.
>>Lara: I WANT TO GET BACK
TO THAT.
VIEWER QUESTIONS.
KIND OF BOUNCING ALL OVER THE
PLACE.
FROM IN MAUI.
MAUI HAS 65% AGRICULTURAL
LAND. 18
MUCH OF WHICH IS NOT BEING
USED.
IS NOT NOW BEING USED.
DOES THE STATE OR COUNTY OF
MAUI HAVE PLANS FOR ITS USE?
HOW MUCH OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR
WITH PER COUNTY.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
AS FAR AS HOW THEY'RE USING
THE LAND.
IT THAT'S SHIFTING AT ALL.
>> WELL, I WOULD SPEAK TO A
BROADER POINT.
I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF
MAUI CASE STUDY.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT HAWAI'I
AGRICULTURE FACES IN TERMS OF
KEY CHALLENGE IS VERY HIGH
COST OF PRODUCTION.
AND RELATIVE TO THE COST OF
SHIPPING THINGS FROM
CALIFORNIA, FORECLOSURES.
AND BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY HIGH
COST OF PRODUCTION, LACKING A
LOT OF CRITICAL
INFRASTRUCTURE, COMING OUT OF
THE PLANTATION ERA, IT'S
DIFFICULT FOR FARMERS TO BE
ECONOMICALLY VIABLE AND
COMPETE IMPORTS FROM
CALIFORNIA AND ABROAD, GIVEN
THE OVERALL COST OF PRODUCTION
HERE IN HAWAI'I.
INCLUDING THE START-UP COSTS
ASSOCIATED WITH TAKING LAND
THAT WAS ONCE SUGAR CANE AND
TRANSFORMING IT INTO SOME TYPE
OF DIVERSIFIED AGRICULTURAL
OPERATIONS.
>>Lara: ONE POINT BLANK
QUESTIONS WE HAVE HERE.
HOW DO YOU PLAN TO MAKE THIS
TYPE OF CROP ECONOMICALLY
FEASIBLE.
THAT'S REALLY THAT SCALE
ABILITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
HERE.
>> THERE'S EXAMPLES.
HAWAI'I ULU PRODUCERS 19
COOPERATIVE ON BIG ISLAND, YOU
KNOW, FORMING.
CALLED THESE MID SCALE
AGITATION ROLES.
SO HAWAIʻI HAS 7,000 SMALL
FARMERS.
FEW REALLY LARGE LANDOWNERS.
VERY FEW MID SCALE FARMS.
WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE THESE
LARGE DISTRIBUTERS OF WHICH WE
ONLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE IN THE
STATE BRINGING ALL OF OUR
FOOD, GET IT TO MARKET, AND
BASICALLY, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO
CONNECT DOTS FROM THESE MALL
SCALE PRODUCERS INTO THESE
REALLY LARGE DISTRIBUTERS.
THERE'S A HANDFUL OF EXAMPLES
IN THE STATE ADAPTATIONS,
HAWAI'I ULU PRODUCERS
COOPERATIVE, KAAHUMANU ON
OAHU, STEP NOTHING THAT ROLE,
WHERE TAKING THE SMALL SCALE
PRODUCTION, AGGREGATING IT UP,
GETTING IT INTO THE VOLUME OF
WHERE YOU CAN GET ECONOMICS OF
SCALE, AND THEN THEY'RE
FEEDING INTO THESE LARGE SCALE
DISTRIBUTERS AND GETTING THE
FOOD TO MARKET.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A
PRICE PREMIUM FOR LOCAL FOOD.
THERE'S A LOT OF MARKETS
WILLING TO PAY THAT.
ESPECIALLY IN THE TOURISM
MARKET RIGHT NOW.
AND A LOT OF THE ACTIVE
RESIDENTS, THERE IS A MARKET
FOR THE STUFF.
AND I THINK AS YOU BUILD THE
SCALE, THEN COSTS DO COME DOWN
MORE AND MORE AS WELL.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A
CHICKEN AND EGG CONCEPT.
>>Lara: GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT
IT.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
HOW IS THIS INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURE ACCOMMODATING
LIFESTYLE? 20
DEFINITELY NATIONAL DISCUSSION
ON, YES, THERE IS THIS
INTEREST IN DEMAND.
IN LOCAL INDIGENOUS ORGANIC
FOOD.
BUT THE COST IS SO HIGH, IT'S
NOT A REALITY FOR A LOT OF THE
PEOPLE OFTENTIMES ARE THE ONES
THAT WHO NEED IT THE MOST
BECAUSE IT'S NOT WITHIN THAT
PRICE POINT.
>> THAT'S THE THING WE'RE
TACKLING.
WHY IT'S CRITICAL FOR
COMMUNITIES TO RECLAIM
PRODUCTION.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AT
MAU.
SCALING.
>>Lara: SHOW SOME OF THE
VIDEO WHILE YOU TALK ABOUT IT.
GREAT.
GOOD STUFF.
I THINK WE DO.
SHOWING SOME OF THE LARGE
FIELDS OUT THERE. YOU SEE
BEHIND THERE.
>> RECENTLY PURCHASED EXCESS
OF 25 TO 30 ACRES OF LAND.
NOT JUST GROWING CROPS,
GROWING PEOPLE.
SOCIAL END PRIZE, NOT JUST
PROFIT.
REVENUE.
YOUNG ADULTS FROM WAIANAE, 20
WEEKS ON THE FARM.
FULL TUITION, WAVING COLLEGE
AND $500 A MONTH.
OVER THE LAST, RECRUIT THEM AS
COHORTS.
ASK THEM TO BE PART OF THE
PROGRAM FOR 2 YEARS TO GET
THEIR ASSOCIATES AND MOVE ON
TO THE BACCALAUREATE.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN SCALING IS
THAT WE HAVE INCREASED AMOUNT
GETTING DEGREE, GETTING
COLLEGE DEGREES, FROM THE
FARM.
THE OFFERINGS AT THE FARM. 21
ALSO SCALING THE AMOUNT OF
PRODUCTS WE'RE ABLE TO BEAR.
BECAUSE OF THE SCALING AND THE
RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN
OUTPUTS OF THE FARM, ABLE TO
ATTRACT INCREDIBLE RESOURCES
KAMEHAMEHA SCHOOLS PARTNERING.
GOT TO TRANSFER THE PROFESSOR
MILES AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH
UNIVERSITY OF HAWAIʻI WEST
OAHU, CODESIGNED A
BACCALAUREATE OF APPLIED
SCIENCES.
COMMUNITY FOOD SYSTEM.
SCALING MEANS OF PRODUCTION.
SCALES YOUNG WORKFORCE AND
INFRASTRUCTURE, HIGHER
EDUCATION AROUND THIS.
SKILLED LABOR IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
>>Lara: MAKING THEM SEE
THERE'S A FUTURE.
>> ASKING THEM TO BE FARMERS.
USE DEGREE PROGRAM TO FINANCE
THEIR EDUCATION.
THEY CAN GO INTO MANY
DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE SYSTEM.
BUT I THINK THEN, THEY'RE
TAKING FOOD HOME TO THEIR
FAMILY AS GROWERS AND
CONSUMERS.
MOVING OUT OF POVERTY AND
GETTING DEGREES THAT WITH
ALLOW HELP TO BE PURCHASING AT
HIGHER PRICE POINT AND
BUILDING A MARKET.
THERE'S EXAMPLES THERE.
>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COST,
YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL COSTS
INTO CONSIDERATION.
SOCIETY DOES NOT.
I GREW UP ON MAUI WITH HC&S
EMPEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE
BURNING OF CANE.
EMPTY 28 RIVERS IN A ROW IN
EAST MAUI TO FOOD THAT
AGRICULTURE.
THERE'S A LOT OF NEGATIVE
COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN
TYPES OF AGRICULTURE. 22
AND CONVERSELY, POSITIVE COSTS
ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN TYPES
OF AGRICULTURE THAT ARE NOT
CURRENTLY VALUED.
BUT THOSE AGRICULTURE SERVICES
PROVIDE.
>>Lara: GOOD POINT.
I WAS GOING TO SAY.
YOUR RESEARCH.
POINT IS SUSTAINABLE
AGRICULTURE
AND INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURE, CULTURAL
BENEFITS.
AGRICULTURAL BENEFITS.
PROVIDING SERVICE TO THE
COMMUNITY.
FOOD IS BEING PRODUCED.
HUGE INDUSTRY OF EDUCATION.
BUNCH OF MONEY GOING IN
EDUCATION.
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURAL SYSTEM
ASKS PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
AND SO THAT MONEY, WHEN WE
THINK ABOUT ECONOMICALLY
FEASIBLE, CAN'T JUST BE
THINKING ABOUT SELLING CROPS
FOR MONEY.
>>Lara: I THINK YOU'RE ALL
ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT
DALE JUST ASKED.
HOW CAN WE ENCOURAGE YOUNG
PEOPLE TO BE FARMERS?
WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
INVESTMENT WHO THEY ARE AS
PEOPLE AND WHAT THEY WANT FOR
THEIR FUTURE.
>> ALSO, ALTERNATIVE MODELS.
STUCK WITH THE IDEA, YOU'RE A
FARMER OR NOT.
ONE OF THE FOR PROFIT
BUSINESSES WE'VE CREATED BIG
ISLAND, WORKERS COOPERATIVE
WHERE YOU OWN PERCENTAGE OF
THE FARM THAT YOU WORK ON.
BASICALLY, IT ALLOWS YOUNG
PEOPLE TO FARM BUT NOT
NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE
FARMERS.
AND HAVE A REAL OWNERSHIP
STAKE. 23
MAKE MONEY.
BE CONNECTED TO THE FOOD.
BE CONNECTED TO LAND.
NOT BE 100% TIED TO THE
FARMING LIFESTYLE.
>>Lara: GOOD POINT.
UNDERSTANDING MIND SET OF THE
GENERATION COMING IN NOW.
WHAT IS IT THEY WANT?
AND NEED?
>> REALLY QUICKLY.
PART OF IT IS FARMER, ENGLISH
DOESN'T MEAN THE SAME THING IN
HAWAI'I.
>>Lara: PRECONTACT.
>> CONTEXT.
YOUR FAMILY MEMBER WAS ALSO
YOUR EMPLOYER.
ALSO YOUR EDUCATOR.
ALSO YOUR SPIRITUAL LEADER.
YOUR FARM IS ALSO YOUR CHURCH.
ALSO YOUR EDUCATION SPACE.
ALL OTHER THINGS.
REALLY HOLISTIC.
ONE FACE PUTTING MULTIPLE LIKE
MEASURABLE POSITIVE OUTPUTS.
WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AN
INDIGENOUS ENTREPRENEUR IS NOT
BROWN PEOPLE MAKING MODERN
MONEY.
REFUSING TRADE COST
PRODUCTION.
>>Lara: WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
WHICH CROPS THAT WE SHOULD BE
LOOKING AT, NOT JUST BECAUSE
WHAT THEY CAN PRODUCE,
THINKING ABOUT THE WHAT IS THE
COUNTER EFFECT OF CERTAIN
TYPES OF CROPS AND WHY OTHERS
MIGHT ULTIMATELY BE MORE
PRODUCTIVE?
AN MORE, FOCUS ON, WHEN YOU
THINK ABOUT THE OTHER FACTORS
PLAYED IN CERTAIN TYPES OF
CROPS.
WHY INDIGENOUS CROPS MAKE
SENSE IN THAT REGARD.
RETURN, ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY
GREATER WHEN WE INTRODUCE
THOSE OTHER FACTORS. 24
>> I THINK IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT
THE CROP ALONE.
IT'S ABOUT THE SYSTEM.
AND THE CROPPING SYSTEM THAT
YOU HAVE GOING ON.
ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT
SUSTAINABLE OR INDIGENOUS
SYSTEMS, IT'S MIXED.
THERE IS NOT JUST A CULTURE
BEING PLANTED ONE CROP.
MONOCULTURE.
KIND OF MIMICKING A FOREST.
ECOSYSTEMS IF YOU THINK ABOUT
A FOREST, OR THE GROUND COVER,
MID STORY AND THERE'S A
CANOPY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I LOT OF
INDIGENOUS FARMING SYSTEMS
AROUND THE WHOLE WORLD DO.
SERVES TO REGULAR CLIMATE.
WIND BREAKS.
IT CAN HAS MORE, MORE
MOISTURE.
PROVIDES SHADE.
IF YOU EVER FARM, WE HAVE SOME
PHOTOS.
DIFFERENT PHOTOS AND SOME OF
THE GRAPHICS THAT REALTY HERE.
PART OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT.
PHOTOS FIRST.
KONA RESTORATION SITE.
PICTURES.
EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WERE DOING
HERE.
WHAT WAS THE GOAL?
>> RESTORATION SITE IN
KAHALUU.
WORK OF JESSE, WANT TO
RECOGNIZE HIM.
ACTUALLY A DEMONSTRATION AREA.
WE WORK IN THE LARGEST INTACT
ROOM AT THE KONA FIELD SYSTEM.
LARGEST CULTURAL SITE IN ALL
OF HAWAI'I.
THIS PARCEL ON KS LAND WAS
REDISCOVERED 2000.
OVER 4,000 ARCHAEOLOGICAL
FEATURES.
AND SO WE BRING STUDENTS HERE. 25
JESSE FARMS THIS AREA.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S LOOK AT
THAT PICTURE, STRAWBERRY GUAVA
LOG, MULCH AREA FOR THE AWA.
INVASIVE SPECIES.
SHOWING THAT HE'S REALLY
UTILIZING DIFFERENT MULCHES
THAT WEREN'T TRADITIONAL, BUT
THAT ARE AROUND.
JUST USING THE PRACTICES OF
THAT PLACE.
THAT HE'S ADAPTING TO.
WE'RE PLANTING NATIVES THERE
TO REALLY SERVE THE NATIVE
BIODIVERSITY OF THE AREA.
USE THE DEMONSTRATION.
MOST OF THE KIDS GREW UP IN
THEIR BACKYARD.
STONES EVERYWHERE.
YOU DON'T REALIZE THIS WAS A
TRADITIONAL FARMING SYSTEM.
A LOT OF IT IS COFFEE.
SOME BULLDOZED.
SOME IS INVASIVE SPECIES.
WE WANT TO SHOW INTEGRATED
SYSTEM HOW IT COULD BE DONE.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE THAT
WAY.
PARENTS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S
ADAPTIVE TO PLACE.
IT'S REALLY JUST TEACHING
PEOPLE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE,
THIS WAS OUR COSTCO.
WHAT WE TELL THE KIDS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE
GROCERY STORE.
WE COULD GROW EVERYTHING HERE.
AND YOU SHOULD BE PROUD THAT
YOUR KUPUNA DID THIS HERE.
>>Lara: KEN TALKING ABOUT
WHAT CROPS, ONES WE WANT TO BE
THINKING ABOUT AND FOR WHAT
REASON.
HE SAYS, RICE CAN BE GROWN
ANYWHERE.
TARO CAN BE GROWN.
MORE PEOPLE IN HAWAI'I EAT
RICE.
HIS OPINION RATHER THAN POI.
WHY NOT PUSH FOR RICE RATHER 26
THAN TARO.
TALKING ABOUT CROPS MAYBE
CREATE SUSTAINABLE FOOD SOURCE
IN THE ISLANDS.
WHAT WOULD WE FOCUS ON AND
WHY?
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> CAREFUL.
THINKING ABOUT THE CROP
ITSELF.
WHAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO
THINK ABOUT.
>> RELATIONSHIP.
BETWEEN KALO AND IDENTITY.
RICE IS SACRED TO JAPAN.
YOU MAKE SAKE.
DEPOSITION.
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT
ANCESTORRERS, ALL PEOPLE'S
ANCESTRY, ULTIMATELY
PRACTICAL.
ROLE OF KALO AND PRODUCTION,
LOI SYSTEMS CREATED IT.
WERE ALL SOLD.
TIED TO LIKE OUR PHYSICAL
MAKE-UP.
DNA.
INTRINSICALLY TIED TO KALO.
CONSUMING, HELPING US TO
RECALIBRATE HEALTH DISPARITIES
YOU BEGIN TO SEE AND HOW
NUTRIENT DENSE IT IS.
YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT RESTORING
AGRICULTURAL SYSTEMS WITHOUT
RESTORING IMPEACHMENT
RESTORATION OF IDENTITY IS KEY
PART OF THIS WHOLE THING.
PACKED TO THE LANDSCAPE.
THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING
TO RESTORE KALO IS REALLY
CRITICAL.
OTHER SIDE, THERE'S AN
EMERGING MARKETPLACE FOR KALO.
RIDICULOUS.
BECOMING A HOME-GROWN
MOVEMENT.
REALLY GREAT CHEFS.
ED KINNEY, LINDSAY OZAWA,
USING KALO FOR YEARS, HIGH END
RESTAURANTS UP AND DOWN 27
WAIALAE.
THERE'S A MARKET FOR IT.
BUILD THE LAND AND IDENTITY
BACK TO THE FOOD.
>> COIN CULTURE WASN'T STATIC.
GET LOCKED INTO THINKING
HAWAIIAN CULTURE WAS A POINT
IN TIME WHEN CAPTAIN COOK
ARRIVED.
EVEN OUR CROP ASSEMBLAGE
CHANGED.
A LOT OF EVIDENCE SHOWN THAT
THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO SHOWED
UP IN THE FIRST WAA HAD A SET
OF CROPS THAT INCLUDED KALO,
BUT SOME THINGS CAME A LOT
LATER.
SWEET POTATO CAME LATER IN OUR
HISTORY.
GOT DAPPED AND FOLDED IN AND
BECAME PART OF OUR CULTURE AND
IDENTITY FOR CERTAIN AREAS.
ARER SO I THINK WE NEED TO
ACCEPT THAT.
THAT THERE WILL BE ALWAYS BE
ADAPTATIONS, EVOLUTION, CHANGE
OF CULTURE, AND THERE IS NO
REASON WE CAN'T FOLD IN OTHER
CROPS INTO THAT.
EVERYONE AROUND THIS TABLE
SAID, IT'S MUCH MORE ABOUT THE
UNDERLYING VALUE SYSTEMS, THE
CROPPING SYSTEM ACE WHOLE THAN
ANY ONE PARTICULAR CROP.
>> BUT THE OTHER ISSUE, POINT,
I WANT TO MAKE, ALMOST ALL OF
OUR WORLD CROPS ARE COME FROM
INDIGENOUS TROPICAL AREAS.
VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING.
IF YOU WENT BACK 20,000 YEARS
IN EUROPE, BASICALLY GOT
BARLEY.
THAT'S IT.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU THINK
ABOUT AS EUROPEAN, TOMATOES
POTATOES, EGGPLANTS, ALL OF
THAT CAME FROM TROPICAL
AGRICULTURAL AREAS.
THEY WERE INDIGENOUS CROPS
THAT GOT APPROPRIATED INTO A 28
GLOBAL FOOD SYSTEM.
AND I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD
IN A GLOBAL FOOD SYSTEM, THESE
UNDERUTILIZED CROPS, THINGS
LIKE KALO, BREADFRUIT, KASABA,
QUINOA, ALL OF THESE THINGS
FROM AROUND THE WORLD HAVE A
MAJOR ROLE TO PLAY IN
DEVELOPING MAJOR FOOD SYSTEMS
GLOBALLY.
>>Lara: CAN YOU COMMENT ON
FEEDING EXTRA 9 MILLION
VISITING MOUTHS WE HAVE TO
FEED EVERY YEAR?
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?
WHOLE ANOTHER SCOPE.
>> FOR ME, QUICKLY, PART OF
THE WORK AS MAO HAS BEEN
WORKING WITH CHEFS.
ABILITY TO BE THEY CATER TO A
GREAT EXTENT TO AUDIENCE,
BRINGING REVENUE FROM THE
URBAN CENTER IN RURAL
COMMUNITY.
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHO CAN AND
CAN'T COME.
ABOUT YOU WHAT WE CAN CONTROL
IS MARKETPLACE AND PROVIDING
THEM FOOD AND INSURING REVENUE
FROM THEIR MEALS GOES BACK
INTO COMMUNITIES.
AS ALSO, DOING A LOT OF WORK
IN EDUCATING THEM WHILE
THEY'RE HERE.
ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT
JUST INDIGENOUS FOOD, BUT
COMMUNITIES MAKING THEIR FOOD
AND SEEING THIS AS A WAY TO
BUILD ALLIES.
SO THEY CAN BE ENLIGHTENED
CONSUMERS AND GET THEM BACK
AND WANT TO PURCHASE MORE OF
OUR STUFF IF THEY HAVE ACCESS
TO EXPENDABLE CAPITAL.
BUYING HEALTHY FOOD.
>> SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
PEOPLE WHO COME TO HAWAI'I
WOULD WANT AUTHENTIC
EXPERIENCE.
WOULD PAY A PREMIUM KNOWING 29
THAT THEY'RE SUPPORTING
INDIGENOUS PRACTICES OR
ECOLOGICALLY BASED
AGRICULTURE.
ONE OF THE AREAS OF RESEARCH
THAT SOME OF OUR U.H.
ACADEMICS CAN ENGAGE.
THAT WOULD BE UP TO SURVEY THE
VISITOR INDUSTRY.
REALLY FIND OUT WHAT IS THE
PRICE PREMIUM IF ANY, THAT
VISITORS ARE WILLING TO PAY TO
BYPRODUCTS AT OUR GROWN HERE
IN HAWAI'I AND GROWN IN A WAY
THAT IS ALIGNED WITH THE VALUE
OF THE PEOPLE OF HAWAI'I.
>>Lara: BRINGS UP A GOOD
POINT.
TALKING ABOUT CONNECTION
BETWEEN BRINGING PEOPLE IN
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE
INDUSTRY AND MAKE THE
CONNECTION WHERE THEY GET
THEMSELVES, PURSUE IT FOR
THEIR LIVES WITHIN THE BROADER
COMMUNITY, WHAT DO THEY WANT
TODAY?
WHAT ARE THEY USED TO GETTING
IN RETURN THAT DEEPER LEVEL
EDUCATION, THAT DEEPER LEVEL
OF FEELING LIKE THEY'RE DOING
SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY IN
SOME SHAPE OR FORM.
RESONATES MORE AND MORE WITH
PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE OR
ELSEWHERE.
BECAUSE THAT'S SORTS OF OUR
SOCIETY TODAY.
THEY WANT THAT CONNECTION IN
GENERAL.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION,
BRIEFLY, I THINK IT'S THE
STATE HAS AN IMPORTANT ROLE TO
PLAY IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE
THAT ALL PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO
QUALITY FOOD.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE
GROWTH OF THE LOCAL FOOD
INDUSTRY AND I THINK
REPEATEDLY, SAID, WELL, HIGH 30
END MARKETS.
BUT NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD
HIGH QUALITY FOOD AND OFTEN
LOW INCOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS
ARE EXPOSED TO FOOD
ENVIRONMENTS AND RELATIVELY
LOW QUALITY OF FOOD THAT IS
DRIVING THIS OBESITY EPIDEMIC
AND DIABETES EPIDEMIC.
STATE HAS A ROLE TO PLAY IN
TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT
EVERY INDIVIDUAL IN OUR
SOCIETY HAS THE PURCHASING
POWER TO GAIN ACCESS TO
QUALITY FOODS AS WE'RE MAKING
THIS TRANSITION TOWARDS
SUSTAINABILITY.
>>Lara: WHAT DOES THE PANEL
THINK OF THE CURRENT AND
FUTURE POTENTIAL OF INCREASING
LOCAL LAB GROWTH, OR LAB
GROWN, MEAT, FISH, MILK, OTHER
VERTICAL AGRICULTURE, MUCH
MORE COST-EFFECTIVE THAN
TRADITIONAL HORIZONTAL
AGRICULTURE?
THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW TON ABOUT IT.
TEACH ST. PAUL SEGMENT ABOUT
IT IN OUR CLASS.
HE'S RIGHT.
FROM WATER EFFICIENCY
STANDPOINT.
SPACE EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT.
THEY'RE PHENOMENAL.
I THINK THE NETHERLANDS, A
AMAZING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
STATISTICS WHAT THEY'RE ABLE
TO PRODUCE IN A TINY AREA,
VERY SMALL, GROWING SEASON.
AND YET, THEY'RE VERY SELF
SUFFICIENT IN TERMS OF FOOD
BECAUSE OF HIGH TECH FARMING
METHODS.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT
SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
THERE ARE NO NEGATIVES,
NUTRIENT DENSITY DOES GO DOWN
IN THESE FOODS.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY HARDER TO 31
HAVE A CONNECTION.
WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE
EXTRA BENEFITS OF AGRICULTURE,
OF IDENTITY, OF BEING
CONNECTED TO LAND, AND PLACE,
AND EDUCATION, AND YOUR CHURCH
AND ALL OF THESE THINGS CAN BE
EMBODIED IN AGRICULTURE, IT'S
MUCH HARDER DO THAT, I WOULD
SAY, IN THESE HIGH TECH SHALL
AN AGRICULTURE ENVIRONMENTS.
BUT I DO THINK THEY HAVE A
ROLE TO PLAY.
IN A BROADER FOOD SYSTEM.
TOUGH BALANCE.
GOOD QUESTION FOR SURE.
>>Lara: TALKING ABOUT SOME
OF THE POTENTIALLY
DIVERSIFYING, THINKING ABOUT
DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE COULD
WORK WITH SOME OF THESE CROPS.
KNOCK OFF EWA BEACH SAYING,
KALO USED PHARMACEUTICALS IN
COSMETICS.
WHY IS NOT KALO EXPLOITED MORE
WITHIN THE INDIGENOUS WILLING
INDUSTRY?
I THINK THIS POINT BEING IS,
OKAY, LOOKING AT AS FAR AS
FOOD SOURCE.
ARE WE LOOKING AT IT BEYOND
THAT?
FOR THE SAKE OF GROWING
INDUSTRY AND THIS CROP?
>> I WOULD SAY TRADITIONALLY,
THIS JUST GOES TO THE
MULTIFUNCTIONALITY POINT, WE
ONLY HAD SO MANY CROPS.
AND WE HAD, WE EXTRACTED EVERY
RESOURCE OUT OF THOSE CROPS
POSSIBLE.
KALO WAS MEDICINE IN THE PAST.
ULU, BREADFRUIT, GUM AND EVERY
ONE OF OUR CROPS WAS NOT JUST
FOOD, BUT HAD MULTIPLE
BENEFITS.
TIMBER AND GUM.
I WANT TO AGREE WITH THE
VIEWER'S POINT LIKE THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE 32
BETTER INCORPORATED.
>>Grace: DON'T THINK A LOT
OF PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT NOW,
BUT I THINK RELATIONSHIP I
THINK, WHICH IS CRITICAL, WE
CANNOT SEE THESE CROPS, PURELY
A PRODUCT TAKE TO MARKET.
I THINK THAT IS THE COMPLEXITY
OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DOING
BUSINESS.
HAVE TO HAVE BUILT IN VALUE
SYSTEM.
NOT JUST A PRODUCT, USE IN
DIFFERENT WAYS.
INTO THINKING ABOUT IT.
IN THAT SENSE, AS FAR AS
PHARMACEUTICAL.
MAYBE NOT SO MUCH COSMETICS.
LEARNING EXPERIENCE TOO?
>> YEAH.
IT'S A SHARING OF CULTURE
ITSELF.
FOOD PRODUCTION TO MARKET,
FOOD SPACE OF EDUCATION AND
SPIRITS SPACES OF EMOTIONAL
RESTORATION.
LOI KALO HAVE BEEN WONDERFULLY
USED, A ADDICTION, A LOT OF
THOSE THINGS HAPPENING.
HOW WE MARKET IT AND CREATE
PRODUCT OUT OF IT GOING TO
TALK ABOUT INDIGENOUS
PERSPECTIVE.
CASH CROP, GOING TO BE REALLY
DEEP VALUES CONVERSATION ABOUT
THAT TIED TO HOW WE, ANCESTORS
UNDERSTOOD.
>>Lara: I THINK WHAT I'M
HEARING, AND WHAT AGREE WITH
IS, THAT INDIGENOUS BUSINESS,
GOING TO GO ABOUT THINGS.
DIFFERENT WAY.
OR IF YOU HAVE INDIGENOUS
VALUE SYSTEM, YOU WOULDN'T
NECESSARY EXPLOIT KALO FOR
MONEY, CASH ONLY.
BUT LIKE WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S
NOT POSSIBLE TO SELL KALO TO
DO COSMETICS IF IT WAS DONE IN
THE RIGHT WAY AND PROPER 33
CONSULTATION AND PROCESS.
YOU FELT LIKE YOU'RE DOING THE
RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY,
THEN THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO
DO.
>>Lara: QUESTION.
SLIGHT LEFT TURN HERE.
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURAL
FARMERS GROWING MARIJUANA FOR
MEDICINAL PURPOSES?
>> A LOT HAPPENING IN THAT
AREA.
NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE THAT ONE?
>> YOU WERE GOING TO SAY?
>> I'M GOING TO VENTURE TO SAY
YES.
BUT NO ADDITIONAL COMMENT.
>>Lara: POP AROUND A LITTLE
BIT HERE.
FROM MIKE FROM KOA RIDGE.
STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
CHANGED RULES SUCH AS POTABLE
WATER REQUIRED FOR FARMING.
HOW MUCH WILL HAWAI'I INCREASE
AGRICULTURAL IF POTABLE WATER
IS NOT AVAILABLE.
HOW MUCH DOES THAT PLAY A ROLE
INTO RESEARCH YOU WERE DOING
AND THE SCALABILITY OF THESE
TYPES OF INDIGENOUS CROPS?
WHAT IS THE REALITY?
WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN?
>> WHAT I THINK ABOUT THAT IS
I JUST THINK THAT, YES, FRESH
WATER, LIMITED FRESH WATER
SUPPLY ON THIS PLANET ON THIS
ISLAND.
WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, WITH
THREATS, LOSING OUR FOREST,
MAIN DRIVER OF OUR AQUIFER, WE
ARE GOING TO HAVE A SHORTAGE
OF WATER.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO THINK
ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR
ANCESTORS THAT, YES, THERE IS
ALWAYS, DROUGHTS.
PROBLEMS.
AND THEY ADAPTED SYSTEMS LIKE
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
ADAPTED SYSTEM OF FOOD 34
PRODUCTION.
THAT EITHER INCREASED WATER,
MAINTAINED WATER SOURCES, USED
LESS WATER, I THINK THAT IS
JUST THE PRINCIPLE WE'RE GOING
TO HAVE TO -- THAT'S THE
REALITY OF THE SITUATION.
>>Lara: I HAVE TO GET TO
TOM'S TECHNICAL QUESTION.
LIVES ON FORMER SUGAR CANE
LAND.
HOW LONG SHOULD HE LET THE
LAND LIE FALLOW BEFORE
FARMING?
>> HE'S ASKING YOU.
>> ASKING THE WRONG GUY.
BACKGROUND, I DON'T CLAIM TO
BE SOIL SCIENTIST.
WE HAVE WONDERFUL -- POP QUIZ.
DEPENDS IT IS CONCERN IS.
RESIDUE, CHEMICALS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT.
MY ANSWER WOULD BE THAT
BEHAVIOR, SOIL, DEPENDS A LOT
ON MANAGEMENT.
HOW YOU TREAT YOUR SOIL IS
ALSO GOING TO DEPEND HOW LONG
IT NEEDS TO TAKE TO RECOVER.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS CAN
YOU DO TO HELP THAT ALONG.
IT'S RECOVERY PROCESS.
NUMBER ONE THING, ORGANICS.
CARBON IS THE BEST THING YOU
CAN DO FOR YOUR SOIL.
MY AMOUNTS OF MULCHING,
COMPOSING, GETTING CARBON INTO
YOUR SOIL IS A GOOD METHOD OF
REMEDIATION.
>>Lara: FEW MINUTES LEFT.
>>Grace: WANTED TO ASK EACH
OF YOU.
YOUR ASSESSMENT AT THIS POINT,
AS TO BUILDING, INDIGENOUS
AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY, AS WELL
AS SUSTAINABILITY, AGRICULTURE
AS A WHOLE, IN HAWAIʻI, WHERE
DO YOU FEEL WE ARE NOW TODAY
AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THE NEXT
STEPS NEEDS TO BE TO MOVE US
IN THAT DIRECTION? 35
>> I GUESS I'LL GO FIRST.
>>Lara: SURE.
>> SO I THINK WE KIND OF ALL
SKIRTED AROUND THE ISSUE THAT
WHAT IS HOLDING US BACK FROM
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE.
I THINK WE NEED TO SAY CLEARLY
THAT KANAKA IWI NOT JUST
DISCONNECTED AND PUT UNDER
COLONIAL STRUCTURES, DENIED
ACCESS TO LAND.
OIWI DENIED ALSO DENIED TENURE
AND STEWARDSHIP OVER LAND AND
THAT'S HUGE.
WHEN YOU CAN'T LIVE ON YOUR
AINA, ANCESTRAL LANDS HOW ARE
YOU GOING TO FARM IT?
FOR ME, JUST ONE WAY TO,
INDIGENOUS AGRICULTURE ONE
VEHICLE TO BE CONNECTED PEOPLE
TO PLACE.
>>Lara: I WANT TO LET
EVERYBODY GET IN HERE.
WONDERFUL.
NEXT STEP.
>> I THINK THE NEXT STEPS IS
THE STEPS WE'VE BEEN TAKING.
INCREDIBLE RESILIENCE
HAPPENING IN COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE SUCH GIFTED PEOPLE
DOING THE WORK.
I THINK MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE,
THINGS PEOPLE CAN DO, IS TO
FEEL URGE TO CLAIM AGENCY OVER
THEIR OWN FOOD SYSTEM.
BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL INDIGENOUS
IN SOME PLACE.
HAPPEN TO BE IN HAWAIʻI.
REACH OUT AND FIND OUT WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN YOUR COMMUNITY
AND MAKE IT A POINT MUCH YOUR
LIFE TO BE ENGAGED.
NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO BE
EXPERT IN EVERYTHING.
YOU CAN TRY AND START.
I THINK ONCE BECOMES
COLLECTIVELY UNDERSTOOD AS
IMPORTANT, WE'RE GOING TO
MOVE.
>>Lara: TO YOU? 36
>> I THINK WE NEED MORE COMMON
OR SHARED VISION AND TARGETS
AND METRICS FOR ACHIEVING
ELEMENTS OF FOOD SYSTEMS
SUSTAINABILITY.
>>Lara: WORKING ON IT.
>> THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS OUR
VISION, WHERE ARE WE TRYING TO
GO BEYOND THE GOVERNOR'S
INITIATIVE OF DOUBLING FOOD
PRODUCTION.
WHAT ARE THE OTHER METRICS
THAT WE WANT TO HIT IN TERMS
OF SOCIAL EQUITY, INDIGENOUS
SELF-DETERMINATION AND SO
FORTH.
AND CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE
RESEARCH, EDUCATION, COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT OUTREACH EFFORT TO
ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS BY A
DESIGNED TIME PERIOD.
>>Lara: NEXT STEP IN WHAT
IMPORTANT?
>> LOFTY THINGS.
I MEAN, JUST VERY PRACTICALLY,
RICHARD HA, I DON'T AGREE WITH
EVERYTHING HE SAYS, BUT HE HAD
ARTICLE RECENTLY THAT IF THE
FARMER MAKES MONEY, THEY'LL
FARM.
>>Lara: THAT IS PART OF THE
REALITY.
>> PART OF THE REALITY.
SEEN A LOT OF INDIGENOUS
FARMERS EVICTED FROM THEIR
LAND BECAUSE NOT ABLE TO PAY
TAXES, PAY THEIR RENTS.
>>Lara: I KNOW THAT IS GOING
TO BE DISCUSSION THAT COULD GO
ON FOR ANOTHER HOUR.
THANK YOU FOR TOUCHING ON
THAT.
>> MAKING SURE PEOPLE RELIEF
US THAT THOUGHT.
MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US
TONIGHT –
AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS –
NATALIE KURASHIMA INTEGRATED
RESOURCES MANAGER FOR
KAMEHAMEHA SCHOOLS 37
KAMUELA ENOS, SOCIAL
ENTERPRISE DIRECTOR FOR MA’O
ORGANIC FARMS
ALBIE MILES, ASSISTANT
PROFESSOR OF SUSTAINABLE
COMMUNITY FOOD SYSTEMS AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI’I, WEST
O’AHU.
AND NOA LINCOLN, ASSISTANT
PROFESSOR FOR INDIGENOUS
CROPPING SYSTEMS AT UH MANOA.
NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS –
THE STATE IS DRAFTING POLICY
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SO-CALLED
RED LIGHT CAMERAS TO MAKE
HAWAIʻI'S ROADS SAFER. IS THIS
A GOOD IDEA. JOIN US FOR THE
DISCUSSION.
I’M LARA YAMADA FOR INSIGHTS
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