You know when Jade what's her name was on...(Jade
Goody?) the Big Brother...
And she had that throw down with Shilpa Shetty?
Yeah!
Now that was not about race, at all!
It was all about class.
Yeah.
It wasn't racial; but it came across racial.
Exactly.
Jade was from a certain place, and...Shilpa
was from money; Shilpa was from somewhere
else, and that caused a clash.
Obviously, Jade didn't like how Shilpa made
her feel; but I must admit, Jade didn't really
handle it very well.
Shilpa came out looking rosy from that because
she rose above it all the time.
I don't think it was racial but yeah it was
class...
And I think a lot of the times, people get
that a bit wrong.
In this country we have a big class divide;
we do...
Ever increasing.
That's it, and that's one of the problems
isn't it?
And all these people who, strive to be a better
class...No, you need to strive to be a better
person.
You can be a good person regardless of your
class; (of course you can) but that's not
necessarily the same way the other way around...
I was in a relationship once where my partner
saw themselves as a lesser class than me.
Now I did not understand this at all, because
there was never any talk about this.
But when it came out, it was so hateful!
And I kind of thought "Well what have I done?".
But where does that come from?
What do you mean class?
When we say class, we're talking about money.
Were you richer than she was, what are we
talking about here?
I think my family was better off than her
family.
A lot?
I don't know!
It's not something...(that you talked about)
yeah.
Both parent's working, both families...
That's working class...
It came out and I thought "This is so weird.".
Now is it because I'm quite middle class...
But why do you class yourself as middle class?
My family is middle class....The kind of jobs
that my family have...although myself, I've
had working class....jobs.
Cleaner, groundsman, things like that.
I've done those jobs...I really don't understand
the snobbery that well off people have...
They can afford to have the snobbery because
they've got money...
I just don't get it!
I really don't get it.
You say you don't understand it, because regardless
of what you say about your family, and being
middle class...you're still struggling.
Oh yeah!
But that's why you don't understand it.
When you've got something in abundance that
you know other people don't have; you can
easily say what you like because you've got
it.
You can easily look down on other people because
you have what they don't.
That is what this system is about.
We live in a system of what is it?
Exclusivity.
So...I have "this", it affords me "that".
You don't?
Tough!
Aren't I better than you?!
That is exactly what the money/class system
is all about!
That is why someone like Cameron doesn't have
the first clue of what its like to relate
to a working class person.
"Oh, you're going to be cold this Christmas;
put a jumper on."
"No, no no, hang on.
Well how am I supposed to cook my food?".
Yeah, so basically you make a choice whether
or not you freeze to death, (or you starve),
or you go hungry for the majority of the winter....
And I think...people with that attitude think
that they work harder...than people with less
money...
Possibly.
I would love to get into a room with someone
who feels that way, and question them, and
break that down-and find out the truth of
that...Because you look at the way the system
works and you think "There are people who
have to work for their little bit of pittance
every month, and then you've got people who
have an abundance of money; and all the money
has to do is sit there in a bank, gather interest
and you're making money off of money sitting
there!".
How can you tell me that that, in that respect,
you are working harder for your money than
working class people are?
Your money is working for you.
We'd all like that, the problem is, the system
doesn't allow for that.
The system is based on class divide, its based
on exclusivity.
You have money, you can get the perks; if
not, you'll have to make do.
Sorry, that's what it is...
