.
THIS IS A LOOK LIVE INSIDE THE 
HOUSE OF COMMONS AS THE VOTING 
IS TAKING PLACE.
WE EXPECT THE RESULTS OF THE 
VOTE ANY MOMENT.
BUT TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE 
PEOPLE BEHIND YOU AND WHAT 
YOU'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE 
PEOPLE OF BRITAIN?
>> IT'S DIVIDED COMMONS AND 
SCENE OUT HERE.
WHERE I'M STANDING, THERE ARE 
SEVERAL THOUSAND PEOPLE BEHIND 
ME AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE 
ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO STAY IN 
THE EU.
THEY'RE TAKING PART IN THE 
CAMPAIGN THAT IS CALLED THE 
PEOPLES' VOTE.
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR REALLY 
IS A SECOND REFERENDUM.
THERE IS A NUMBER OF M.P.s THAT 
SUPPORT THIS, BUT JEREMY CORBYN 
HASN'T BEEN VERY VOCAL IN 
SUPPORT AND THAT IS NOT 
SOMETHING THE CONSERVATIVES ARE 
CONSIDERING, BUT THERE IS THE 
ALTHOUGH OF PUBLIC SUPPORT.
IN FRONT OF PARLIAMENT, YOU HAVE
PEOPLE SAYING LEAVE MEANS LEAVE.
THEY WANT TO SEE THE U.K. LEAVE.
THEY DON'T LIKE THIS DEAL 
PARTICULARLY, MAYBE SOME SAYING 
NO DEAL IS THE BEST SOLUTION.
WE CAN LEAVE AND WE'LL CONTINUE 
TO TRADE WITH EUROPE UNDER 
W.T.O. RULES.
THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS AND 
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY 
PEOPLE DOWN HERE.
PEOPLE GET HOW HISTORIC THIS IS 
AND HOW IT CAN SHAPE, NOT ONLY 
WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE U.K., 
BUT THE U.K. RELATIONSHIP WITH 
THE REST OF EUROPE.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE I'VE BEEN 
CHATTING WITH, THEY'VE TRAVELLED
FROM ALL ACROSS ENGLAND.
PEOPLE FROM THE NORTH, THE SOUTH
COAST, THEY FELT IT WAS 
IMPORTANT TO BE HERE.
I SHOULD MENTION TALKING ABOUT 
HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO BE HERE.
THERE IS A LABOUR M.P. WHO WAS 
SCHEDULED TO HAVE A C-SECTION 
TODAY AND DECIDED TO POSTPONE IT
FOR A DAY TO VOTE.
SHE WAS JUST WHEELED IN JUST 
BEFORE THE VOTE WAS CALLED.
THAT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF HOW 
MUCH A PRIORITY THIS IS FOR 
EVERYONE.
>> Andrew: IS THERE A SENSE, YOU
KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE 
PEOPLES' VOTE.
THAT THERE IS APPETITE FROM SOME
IN THE U.K. FOR ANOTHER 
REFERENDUM.
ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO 
REMAIN, ARE THEY PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO LEAVE?
ARE THEY BOTH?
>> Reporter: FOR THE MOST PART 
THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO 
REMAIN BECAUSE THEY FEEL THE 
FIRST TIME AROUND WHEN THERE WAS
A REFERENDUM, THE CAMPAIGNS WERE
BASED ON A LOT OF 
MISINFORMATION.
THEY BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WHO 
WANTED TO LEAVE ORIGINALLY, NOW 
THAT THEY'VE SEEN THIS DEAL AND 
WHAT LEAVING ENTAILS, THEY THINK
PEOPLE WOULD VOTE DIFFERENTLY.
I SHOULD MENTION IN DISCUSSIONS 
ABOUT A PEOPLES' VOTE, THEY WANT
TO SEE THE AGE LOWERED TO 16.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 
FUTURE OF U.K., YOUNG PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THAT AND
TEENS DON'T NECESSARILY GET THE 
RIGHT TO VOTE.
SO THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT 
LOWERING THE VOTING AGE, BUT IN 
TERMS OF HAVING A SECOND 
REFERENDUM THIS IS SOMETHING THE
CONSERVATIVES HAVE NOT BEEN KEEN
ON.
THEY'VE BEEN -- 
>> Andrew: SORRY TO INTERRUPT, 
BUT LET'S LISTEN.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU BACK 
INSIDE THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
>> Andrew: JUST MOMENTS AGO WE 
HEARD SOMEONE INSIDE THE HOUSE 
OF COMMONS, THE SPEAKER SAY LOCK
THE DOORS.
SO WE'RE EXPECTING THAT VOTE HAS
TAKEN PLACE.
THE M.P.s ARE BACK INSIDE THE 
HOUSE OF COMMONS AND THAT ANY 
MOMENT NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET 
THE RESULTS OF THAT VOTE THAT 
HAS COUNTED AS PEOPLE LEFT THE 
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
THEY WENT INTO TWO SEPARATE 
ROOMS, THOSE VOTING IN FAVOUR, 
THOSE AGAINST AND AT ANY MOMENT 
WE EXPECT THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF 
THAT RESULT TO TAKE PLACE.
AND THE KEY QUESTION WILL BE -- 
IT IS EXPECTED TO BE DEFEATED --
BUT BY JUST HOW MUCH?
OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE 
BRIAR STEWART A BREAK AND GO 
BACK TO HER IN A MOMENT, BUT 
TODAY'S BREXIT VOTE IS GOING TO 
IMPACT BUSINESSES GLOBALLY, 
INCLUDING HUNDREDS OF CANADIAN 
COMPANIES.
PETER ARMSTRONG JOINS ME IN THE 
STUDIO FOR THAT ANGLE.
PETER, EXCUSE ME IF I INTERRUPT 
YOU BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW 
BUSINESSES ARE PREPARING.
>> BUSINESSES IN THE U.K. AND 
BUSINESSES ABROAD THAT DO 
BUSINESS IN THE U.K. AND EUROPE 
FOR THAT MATTER, HAVE BECOME 
ADEPT AT NAVIGATING UNCERTAINTY 
THROUGH THIS.
THEY'VE KNOWN THIS IS A SHIFTING
SAND AND KNOW THIS VOTE -- SOME 
OF THEM WILL BE WATCHING THIS, 
THEY CALL IT THE MOST IMPORTANT 
VOTE SINCE THE SECOND WORLD WAR,
BUT THE IMPACT OF THE VOTE IS 
NOT THE VOTE ITSELF, IT'S WHAT 
COMES AFTER.
IT'S WHAT WILL JEREMY CORBYN DO.
I THINK CURRENCY TRADERS AND 
MARKETS ARE WATCHING THE MARGIN.
BRIER WAS TALKING ABOUT THE 
POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS OF A 
MARGIN AND IS IT LESS THAN 75 
VOTES, THAT GIVES HER MORE ROOM 
TO MANOEUVRE.
I THINK FROM A FINANCIAL MARKET 
AND CURRENCY MARKET SIDE, YOU 
BEGIN TO SEE A REAL IMPACT ON 
POUND STERLING IMMEDIATELY ON A 
VOTE.
IF THERE IS A BIG MARGIN OR 
LITTLE MARGIN DEPENDING ON THAT.
BUT WHAT EVERYBODY IS WAITING TO
SEE IS NOT THE RESULT.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT IS 
GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.
WHAT WE'RE WAITING TO SEE NOW, 
WHAT WILL HAPPEN?
WILL THEY TRY TO EXTEND?
HOW QUICKLY WILL JEREMY CORBYN 
DECLARE A VOTE OF NONCONFIDENCE 
AND COLLAPSE THIS GOVERNMENT AND
GO BACK TO THE VOTE?
WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT HAVE ON 
ALL THE UNCERTAINTY?
SO BACK TO THE QUESTIONS HOW 
BUSINESSES ARE HANDLING THIS, 
THEY'RE TRYING TO NAVIGATE AS 
BEST THEY CAN.
WE'RE HEARING STORIES ABOUT 
COMPANIES THAT HAVE JACKED UP AS
MUCH PRODUCTION AS THEY CAN TO 
GET STUFF OUT THE DOOR, BECAUSE 
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE 
GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ON MARCH 
29TH.
HOW TO GET PAID.
THERE IS A ROBOTIC THAT IS DOING
THAT.
ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS IS 
TWO-THIRDS OF THEIR EMPLOYEES 
ARE EUROPEAN WORKING IN THE U.K.
THAT HAS BECOME ROTE.
AND A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES AND 
FINANCIAL SECTOR, YOU LOOK AT 
THE CITY OF LONDON, HAVE BEEN 
SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'LL
DO IF.
AND IF THAT.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'LL DO IF 
THAT.
TODAY, WE GET A LITTLE BIT 
LIMITING ON WHAT THOSE OPTIONS 
ARE.
WE'RE PUSHED SLIGHTLY CLOSER, I 
THINK TO A NO BREXIT CRASHING 
THE GATES DEAL.
WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE 
MOST LIKELY SCENARIO, ANOTHER 
EXTENSION,ING FRANKLY MORE 
UNCERTAINTY WHICH MEANS LESS 
GROWTH, LESS INVESTMENT AND MORE
OF THE SAME FOR ALL THESE 
BUSINESSES.
>> Andrew: THANK YOU.
AGAIN LET'S TAKE A LOOK INSIDE 
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS AS WE DO 
EXPECT THE RESULTS TO BE 
ANNOUNCED ANY MOMENT.
BRIAR STEWART IS STANDING 
OUTSIDE THE BRITISH HOUSES OF 
PARLIAMENT.
IT LOOKS PACKED IN THERE.
THEY HAVE LOCKED THE DOORS.
JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY IS INSIDE 
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS FOR WHAT IS
A HISTORIC VOTE.
WE HEARD SIR JOHN CURTIS EARLIER
SAY PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT 
VOTE SINCE THE SECOND WORLD WAR 
TO TAKE PLACE IN BRITAIN HAS 
TAKEN PLACE.
WE BELIEVE.
AND THAT IS WHY WE'RE SEEING 
M.P.s BACK INSIDE THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS AS WE AWAIT THE RESULTS 
OF THIS VOTE.
THERE IS A SENSE, I'M SURE, IN 
BRITAIN, WHETHER IT'S INSIDE OR 
OUTSIDE THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, 
THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC MOMENT 
IN THE HISTORY OF THAT COUNTRY.
>> Reporter: IT IS.
IT'S AN INTERESTING 
CONVERSATION, BECAUSE THERE IS 
NO SUSPENSE REALLY IN WHETHER 
THE VOTE WILL BE DEFEATED.
THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.
BUT WHAT THERE IS SENSE OF 
SUSPENSE, THERE IS SO MUCH 
UNCERTAINTY OVER WHAT IS GOING 
TO HAPPEN NEXT.
THERE IS A SENSE OF FATIGUE AND 
CONFUSION FROM PEOPLE I'VE BEEN 
SPEAKING WITH IN RECENT DAYS 
WHILE I'VE BEEN HERE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND
THE POLITICAL BICKERING GOING 
BACK AND FORTH.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE 
GOVERNMENT HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO 
MAKE MORE HEADWAY.
ONE GENTLEMAN SAID WE'VE BEEN 
TALKING ABOUT BREXIT AND LEAVING
THE EU FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS.
DURING THAT TIME, WE HAVEN'T 
BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT OTHER 
IMPORTANT ISSUES, LIKE HEALTH 
CARE AND HOUSING.
SO THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF 
FATIGUE, BUT THAT SAID, WITH 
THIS VOTE LIKELY BEING DEFEATED 
TONIGHT, THERE IS OPTIMISM AMONG
THE CROWD THAT WANTS TO STAY IN 
THE EU, THAT PERHAPS THIS IS 
ANOTHER BIG OBSTACLE THAT 
COULD -- 
>> Andrew: SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
LET'S LISTEN NOW TO THE SPEAKER 
OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
>> THE AYES TO THE RIGHT.
202.
>> THE NOS TO THE LEFT, 432.
[Interjection]
>> THE AYES TO THE RIGHT 202.
THE NOS -- ORDER!
THE AYES TO THE RIGHT 202.
THE NOS TO THE LEFT 432.
SO THE NOS HAVE IT.
THE NOS HAVE IT.
UNLOCK!
ON A POINT -- POINT OF ORDER.
THE PRIME MINISTER.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MR. SPEAKER, THE HOUSE HAS 
SPOKEN AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL 
LISTEN.
ET IS CLEAR THAT THE HOUSE DOES 
NOT SUPPORT THIS DEAL, BUT 
TONIGHT'S VOTE TELLS US NOTHING 
ABOUT WHAT IT DOES SUPPORT.
NOTHING ABOUT HOW -- 
[Interjection]
-- NOTHING ABOUT HOW OR EVEN IF 
IT'S INTENDS TO HONOUR THE 
DECISION THAT PEOPLE TOOK IN A 
REFERENDUM.
AND PEOPLE PARTICULARLY, YOU 
CITIZENS WHO HAVE MADE YOUR HOME
HERE DESERVE CLARITY ON THESE 
QUESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
[Interjection]
>> ORDER!
THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
OTHER POINTS OF ORDER, BUT THE 
PRIME MINISTER MUST AND WILL BE 
HEARD.
THE PRIME MINISTER?
>> THOSE WHOSE JOBS RELY ON OUR 
TRADE NEED THAT CLARITY.
WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I WOULD 
LIKE TO SET OUT HOW THE 
GOVERNMENT INTENDS TO PROCEED.
FIRST, WE NEED TO CONFIRM 
WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT STILL 
ENJOYS THE COST OF THE HOUSE.
I BELIEVE IT DOES, BUT GIVEN THE
SCALE AND IMPORTANCE OF 
TONIGHT'S VOTE, THEY HAVE THE 
CHANCE TO TEST THAT QUESTION.
I CAN CONFIRM IF THE OFFICIAL 
OPPOSITION TABLE A CONFIDENCE 
MOTION THIS EVENING IN THE FORM 
REQUIRED BY THE FIXED TERM 
PARLIAMENT ACT, THE GOVERNMENT 
WILL MAKE TIME TO DEBATE THE 
MOTION TOMORROW.
IF THIS HAPPENED BEFORE 
CHRISTMAS, THE OFFICIAL 
OPPOSITION DECLINED TO DO SO, 
WITH EWILL ON THIS OCCASION 
CONSIDER MAKING TIME TOMORROW TO
DEBATE THE MOTION FROM THE OTHER
OPPOSITION PARTY SHOULD THEY PUT
ONE FORWARD.
SECOND, SECOND, IF THE HOUSE 
CONFIRMS ITS CONFIDENCE IN THIS 
GOVERNMENT, I WILL THEN HOLD 
MEETINGS WITH THE DUP, SENIOR 
PARLIAMENTARIANS FROM ACROSS THE
HOUSE TO IDENTIFY WHAT WOULD BE 
REQUIRED TO SECURE THE BACKING 
OF THE HOUSE.
THE GOVERNMENT WILL APPROACH 
THESE MEETINGS IN A CONSTRUCTIVE
SPIRIT.
BUT GIVEN -- [Interjection]
-- BUT GIVEN THE URGENT NEED TO 
MAKE PROGRESS, WE MUST FOCUS ON 
THE IDEAS THAT ARE NEGOTIABLE 
AND HAVE SUFFICIENT SUPPORT IN 
THIS HOUSE THE THIRD, IF THE 
MEETINGS YIELD SUCH IDEAS, THE 
GOVERNMENT WILL EXPLORE THEM 
WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION.
I WANT TO END BY OFFERING TWO 
REASSURANCES.
THE FIRST IS TO THOSE WHO FEAR 
THAT THE GOVERNMENT STRATEGY IS 
TO RUN DOWN THE CLOCK TO THE 
29TH OF MARCH.
THAT IS NOT OUR STRATEGY.
I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THE 
BEST WAY FORWARD IS TO LEAVE IN 
AN ORDERLY WAY WITH A GOOD DEAL.
[Interjection]
AND HAVE DEVOTED MUCH OF THE 
LAST TWO YEARS NEGOTIATING SUCH 
A DEAL.
AS YOU CONFIRMED, MR. SPEAKER, 
THE AMENDMENT TO THE BUSINESS 
MOTION TABLED LAST WEEK BY HIGH 
RIGHT HONORABLE AND FRIEND IS 
NOT LEGALLY BINDING BUT THE 
GOVERNMENT RESPECTS THE WILL OF 
THE HOUSE.
WE WILL THEREFORE MAKE A 
STATEMENT ABOUT THE WAY FORWARD 
AND TABLE AN AMENDABLE MOTION BY
MONDAY.
THE SECOND REASSURANCE IS TO THE
BRITISH PEOPLE WHO VOTED TO 
LEAVE THE EUROPEAN UNION IN THE 
REFERENDUM.
I BECAME PRIME MINISTER 
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT 
REFERENDUM.
I BELIEVE IT'S MY DUTY TO 
DELIVER ON THEIR INSTRUCTION AND
I INTEND TO DO SO.
[Interjection]
EVERY DAY THAT PASSES WITHOUT 
THIS ISSUE BEING RESOLVED MEANS 
MORE UNCERTAINTY, MORE 
BITTERNESS AND MORE RANCOR.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS HEARD WHAT 
THE HOUSE HAS SAID TONIGHT, BUT 
I ASK MEMBERS ON ALL SIDES OF 
THE HOUSE, TO LISTEN TO THE 
BRITISH PEOPLE WHO WANT THIS 
ISSUE SETTLED.
AND TO WORK WITH THE GOVERNMENT 
TO DO JUST THAT.
[Interjection]
>> I WILL COME TO OTHER 
COLLEAGUES, BUT FIRST OF ALL, 
POINT OF OFFERED, THE LEADER OF 
THE OPPOSITION, JEREMY CORBYN.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THE RESULTS OF TONIGHT'S VOTE IS
THE GREATEST DEFEAT FOR A 
GOVERNMENT SINCE THE 1920s IN 
THIS HOUSE.
THIS IS A CATASTROPHIC DEFEAT 
FOR THIS GOVERNMENT.
AFTER TWO YEARS OF FAILED 
NEGOTIATIONS, THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS HAS DELIVERED ITS 
VERDICT ON HER BREXIT DEAL.
AND THAT VERDICT IS ABSOLUTELY 
DECISIVE.
I HEAR THE WORDS THE PRIME 
MINISTER, BUT ACTIONS OF THE 
GOVERNMENT IN THE PAST TWO YEARS
SPEAK EQUALLY CLEARLY.
SHE HAS ONLY ATTEMPTED TO REACH 
OUT NOW TO TRY TO KEEP HER 
FAILED PROCESS AND DEAL ALIVE 
AFTER ITS BEEN SO ROUNDLY 
REJECTED BY PARLIAMENT ON BEHALF
OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY.
LABOUR HAS LAID OUT OUR 
PRIORITIES CONSISTENTLY.
NO DEAL -- [Interjection]
-- NO DEAL MUST BE TAKEN -- 
[Interjection]
NO DEAL BE TAKEN OFF THE TABLE.
A PERMANENT CUSTOMS UNION MUST 
BE SECURED.
AND PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AND 
PROTECTIONS MUST BE GUARANTEED 
SO THEY DO NOT FALL BEHIND.
AT EVERY TURN, THE PRIME 
MINISTER HAS CLOSED THE DOOR ON 
DIALOGUE.
BUSINESSES BEGGED HER TO 
NEGOTIATE A COMPREHENSIVE UNION,
TRADE UNION LEADERS PRESSED HER 
FOR THE SAME THING.
THEY WERE IGNORED.
IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, SHE'S 
ONLY HAD ONE PRIORITY.
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
[Interjection]
HER GOVERNING PRINCIPLE OF DELAY
AND DENIAL HAS REACHED THE END 
OF THE LINE.
SHE CANNOT SERIOUSLY BELIEVE 
THAT AFTER TWO YEARS OF FAILURE,
SHE IS CAPABLE OF NEGOTIATING A 
GOOD DEAL FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS
COUNTRY.
THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FACING 
US IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS 
LOST THE CONFIDENCE OF THIS 
HOUSE AND THIS COUNTRY.
I, THEREFORE, MR. SPEAKER, 
INFORM YOU I HAVE NOW TABLED A 
MOTION OF NO-CONFIDENCE IN THIS 
GOVERNMENT -- [Interjection]
-- AND I'M PLEASED -- I'M 
PLEASED THAT MOTION WILL BE 
DEBATED TOMORROW.
SO THIS HOUSE CAN GIVE ITS 
VERDICT ON THE SHEER 
INCOMPETENCE OF THIS GOVERNMENT 
AND PASS THAT MOTION OF NO 
CONFIDENCE IN THE GOVERNMENT.
[Interjection]
>> FIRST OF ALL, COME TO THE 
LEADER.
I WILL COME TO THE RIGHT 
HONOURABLE GENTLEMAN, BUT THE 
POINT OF THE ORDER THE LEADER OF
THE HOUSE.
>> WITH PERMISSION, I SHOULD 
LIKE TO MAKE A SHORT BUSINESS 
STATEMENT FOR THE BUSINESS 
TOMORROW AND THE REMAINDER OF 
THIS WEEK.
>> I'M GRATEFUL TO THE RIGHT 
HONOURABLE LADY AND SHE CANNOT 
BE PSYCHIC AS TO WHAT I'M 
THINKING, I THINK THE SMOOTH WAY
TO DEAL WITH THE MATTER IS DEAL 
WITH POINTS OF ORDER FIRST AND 
THEN COME TO THE STAEMENT WHICH 
WOULD BE PROPER AND HELPFUL TO 
THE HOUSE.
POINT OF ORDER.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE 
SITUATION THAT THE CLOCK IS 
TICKING, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE 
TIME TO RESOLVE THIS.
THE FACT THAT IT HAS TAKEN US SO
LONG TO GET TO THIS POINT, 
FRANKLY, IS SHAMEFUL.
THIS IS A HUMILIATING DEFEAT FOR
THE GOVERNMENT.
BUT A LESSON TO THE PRIME 
MINISTER THAT SOUNDS LIKE 
EVERYBODY ELSE IS AT FAULT 
RATHER THAN HER.
-- ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR 
WHAT HAS HAPPENED THIS EVENING.
MR. SPEAKER, I'M DELIGHTED THAT 
THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION HAS
COME ROUND TO A MOTION OF 
NO-CONFIDENCE THAT SHOULD HAVE 
HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT OF COURSE, 
THAT WE WILL SUPPORT IT.
MR. SPEAKER, AS I MENTIONED, IT 
IS CLEAR THE CLOCK IS TICKING.
THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO SECURE 
THE SAFETY OF ALL OUR NATIONS 
AND SHOULD IMMEDIATELY POSTPONE 
THE ARTICLE 50 PROCESS.
AND IMMEDIATELY HAVE TALKS WITH 
ALL THE LEADERS OF THE 
OPPOSITION PARTIES.
LET'S WORK TOGETHER IN ALL OUR 
INTERESTS, BUT LET'S LISTEN TO 
THE VOICES OF THE 
PARLIAMENTARIANS THAT HAVE BEEN 
SENT HERE, THERE IS NO SUPPORT 
FOR THIS DEAL.
IT MUST NOT COME BACK AGAIN.
SUSPEND ARTICLE 50.
PUT THIS TO THE PEOPLE IN A 
PEOPLES'S VOTE.
>> I KNOW THE RIGHT HONOURABLE 
GENTLEMAN WON'T TAKE OFFENCE 
WHEN I SAY HE WAS USING THE 
DEVICE OF A POINT OF ORDER, AS 
IS UNDERSTANDABLE IN THESE 
CIRCUMSTANCES, TO SAY WHAT HE 
WANTED TO SAY, BUT MORE 
INTERESTED IN WHAT HE WANTED TO 
SAY TO THE HOUSE THAN WHAT I 
HAVE TO SAY FOR HIM.
IT'S NOT THE MATTER FOR THE 
CHAIR.
THE GENTLEMAN HAS REGISTERED HIS
VIEW AND THESE ARE ISSUES THAT 
CAN BE AIRED IN DEBATE AND IN 
DISCUSSIONS THAT TAKE PLACE WITH
THE PRIME MINISTER AND OTHER 
PARTY LEADERS, BUT HE'S MADE HIS
POINT AND IT'S ON THE RECORD FOR
COLLEAGUES TO STUDY.
I'LL TAKE THE HONOURABLE LADY 
FIRST AND THEN OTHERS.
POINT OF ORDER.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
WITH THIS RESULT OF A SCALE THAT
IS UNPRECEDENTED IN RECENT 
TIMES, IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS 
DEAL, NOR ANY TWEAKS TO IT WILL 
GET THROUGH THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS.
SO CAN I ASK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE, 
MR. SPEAKER, ON HOW PARLIAMENT 
CAN ASSURE THAT WE CAN GIVE THE 
PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY A SAY ON 
THIS DEAL TO RESOLVE THIS 
MATTER?
ET IS A MESS THAT MEETS TO BE 
RESOLVED BY THE PEOPLE IN A 
PEOPLES' VOTE.
>> THERE MAY WELL BE AN 
OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO AIR HER 
OWN THOUGHTS ON THAT MATTER.
THE SITUATION WE FACE AND THE 
SUGGESTED WAY FORWARD IN THE 
COURSE OF DEBATE, TO WHICH THE 
PRIME MINISTER IN HER POINT OF 
ORDER REFERRED.
THERE IS THAT PROSPECT.
POTENTIALLY UNFOLDING.
THAT'S ONE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE 
HONOURABLE LADY.
AND SECOND WOULD BE THOSE 
DISCUSSIONS TO TAKE PLACE IN 
COMING DAYS.
AND I DARE SAY THAT THE 
HONOURABLE LADY WOULD WANT TO 
TAKE THE CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE 
IN THOSE, MORE WIDELY WHERE 
THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT 
PARLIAMENT'S ROLE AND WHAT 
OPTIONS PARLIAMENT MIGHT HAVE.
I THINK I CAN PREDICT WITH 
COMPLETE CONFIDENCE THAT THE 
HONOURABLE LADY WILL HAVE A VIEW
ABOUT THAT AND THAT VIEW, WHICH 
IS IMPORTANT, WILL BE HEARD.
AND POINT OF ORDER.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 
SPEAKER.
THE PRIME MINISTER SPOKE ABOUT 
THE WILL OF PARLIAMENT.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO 
INVESTIGATE THAT FURTHER.
WHEN CAN WE TEST THE WILL OF THE
THEM ON THE CHOICES LEFT?
THE CHOICES ARE NO DEAL VERSUS 
ARTICLE 50.
CAN WE TEST THOSE IN THE HOUSE 
AND IN SCOTLAND, THE EUROPEAN 
UNION IS MORE POPULAR IN THE 
POLL THAN THE UNITED KINGDOM AND
THE PRIME MINISTER SHOULD KNOW 
THAT.
>> CAN I JUST TAKE THE 
HONOURABLE LADY.
POINT OF ORDER.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 
SPEAKER.
THIS ISN'T A POLITICAL POINT OF 
ORDER, YESTERDAY, IT WAS RAISED 
THE ISSUE OF THE MEMBER FOR 
HAMPSTEAD AND THE FACT THAT SHE 
SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDERGOING A 
C-SECTION TODAY FOR A HIGH RISK 
PREGNANCY AND SHE IS COMFORTABLE
WITH ME SAYING SHE HAS 
GESTATIONAL DIABETES AND WAS 
ASKED BY HER MEDICAL TEAM TO 
UNDERGO THAT AT AN EARLY 
POSSIBILITY.
SHE HAS HAD TO DEFER THAT 
DESPITE THE ADVICE AND COMMENTS 
YOU MADE FROM THE CHAIR 
YESTERDAY THAT WERE APPARENTLY 
GIVEN NO CONFORT FROM THE 
GOVERNMENT BENCHES.
THIS IS SHOCKING.
I HAVE TO SAY, AS A DOCTOR TO 
PUT OUR COLLEAGUE AT RISK, AND 
HER BABY AT RISK, BECAUSE WE 
CANNOT HAVE A METHOD OF ALLOWING
THOSE WHO ARE SICK OR PREGNANT, 
IS DISGRACEFUL.
>> I KNOW WHAT -- I NOTE WHAT 
THE HONOURABLE SAYS AND I CAVELL
AT IT.
I THOUGHT THE SITUATION AS 
LAMENTABLE.
I USED THAT WORD SEVERAL TIMES.
ORDER, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN 
PEOPLE CHANTING FROM SEDENTARY.
I AM RULING ON THE MATTER AND 
NEED NO ASSISTANCE IN THE 
PROCESS OF DOING SO.
THE SITUATION WAS LAMENTABLE.
I THOUGHT IT BETTER THE LADY 
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF PROXY 
VOTE.
THE MATTER WAS DEBATED IN 
FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR AND 
SEPTEMBER.
I HAD INDICATED MY STRONG 
SUPPORT.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NECESSARY FOR
A RESOLUTION TO BE TABLED BY THE
LEADER OF THE HOUSE, FOR REASONS
WHICH OTHERS CAN EXPLAIN, IT'S 
NOT MY JOB TO DO THEIR 
EXPLAINING FOR THEM, THAT HAS 
NOT HAPPENED.
I THINK IT'S REGRETTABLE, BUT 
CANNOT BE SORTED TONIGHT.
NEVERTHELESS, SHE'S REGISTERED 
HER CONCERN, IT'S A CONCERN AND 
SENSE, FRANKLY, OF VERY DEEP 
DISAPPOINTMENT TO PUT IT 
MIDNIGHTLY THAT I SHARE -- 
MILDLY THAT I SHARE AND IT WILL 
BE DEALT WITH IN DAYS AND WEEKS 
TO COME AND MY SYMPATHY TO THE 
LADY WHO IN MY JUDGMENT -- 
>> Andrew: YOU ARE LISTENING TO 
THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS IN BRITAIN WHERE THE 
VOTE HAS TAKEN PLACE AND WAS 
RESOUNDINGLY DEFEATED.
432 VOTING AGAINST THE 
GOVERNMENT'S BREXIT DEAL WITH 
THE UNION.
202 VOTING IN FAVOUR.
THE CBC BRIAR STEWART JOINS ME 
FROM OUTSIDE THE BRITISH HOUSES 
OF PARLIAMENT AND THERE WERE 
LOTS OF PREDICTIONS OF HOW BADLY
THERESA MAY'S DEAL WOULD BE 
DEFEATED.
I'M NOT SURE MANY SAW THE DEFEAT
IN THIS WAY.
THIS IS HUGE.
>> Reporter:ET IS HUGE.
IT'S UNPRECEDENTED.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST GOVERNMENT 
DEFEAT SINCE THE 1920s.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU THE CROWD 
HERE WHEN THE NUMBERS CAME UP ON
THE SCREEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE 
WATCHING IT, THERE WAS A HUGE 
CHEER AND MAYBE EVEN A LOUDER 
CHEER WHEN THE LABOUR LEADER 
JEREMY CORBYN ANNOUNCED HE'S 
GOING TO -- TABLED A 
NO-CONFIDENCE MOTION AND THE 
DECISION WAS MADE TO DEBATE IT 
TOMORROW.
LET ME TELL YOU, THIS CROWD WAS 
VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
WHAT IS NEXT?
WE HEARD FROM PRIME MINISTER 
THERESA MAY, TALKING ABOUT 
HOLDING A MEETING AND TALKING TO
PARTIES, BUT BOY, DOES SHE HAVE 
TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE ON BOARD.
SHE NEEDS 320 PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR
THE DEAL TO PASS.
THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO GET 
ONSIDE, WHEN SHE'S BEEN SAYING 
THAT THE DEAL SHE HAS IS THE 
BEST THAT THE EUROPEAN UNION HAS
ON OFFER.
SO THAT IS WHY THIS IS ALL SO 
MUDDLED AND THERE IS SO MUCH 
UNCERTAINTY, BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN 
WORKING FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS 
TO GET THE AGREEMENT THEY 
ALREADY HAVE.
HOW MUCH FURTHER CAN SHE MOVE 
IT.
CONSIDERING THAT THE DEADLINE 
FOR THE U.K. LEAVING THE EU IS 
MARCH 29, THERE IS A VERY TIGHT 
TIME LINE HERE, BECAUSE WHILE 
PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE THIS DEAL, 
THERE IS A MAJORITY FOR NOT 
LEAVING THE EU WITHOUT A DEAL.
I MEAN THAT'S A BIG RISK FOR A 
LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF 
M.P.s, 
BUSINESSES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT 
THAT, BUT NOWHERE NEAR SUPPORT 
FOR THIS.
>> Andrew: IT'S INCREDIBLE TO 
THINK 232 VOTING AGAINST, THAT 
IS 230 SEPARATING THE NOS FROM 
THE YESES.
AND THAT MEANS THAT MANY 
CONSERVATIVE M.P.s -- IT'S JUST 
THE WAY THE MATH WORKS OUT, 
RIGHT -- MANY OF HER OWN 
CONSERVATIVE M.P.s VOTED AGAINST
THE GOVERNMENT'S DEAL?
>> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE 
OFFICIAL NUMBERS YET, BUT 
CERTAINLY DOZENS OF THEM DID.
AND THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T COME AS
A TOTAL SURPRISE TO HER 
OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE SO MANY OF 
THEM HAVE BEEN VOICING 
OPPOSITION TO THE DEAL ALL 
ALONG.
AND DESPITE THE FACT SHE SAID 
SHE WAS CONTINUING TO SPEAK WITH
EU OFFICIALS OVER CHRISTMAS AND 
THE IN NEW YEAR'S PERIOD, SHE 
WAS NOT ABLE TO GET MEANINGFUL 
ASSURANCES TO SWAY PARLIAMENT ON
THIS.
WHILE THE BACKSTOP IS THE MOST 
CONTENTIOUS PART, THERE ARE 
OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE DEAL THAT
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE.
THEY SEE IT AS TOO TIED TO THE 
EU.
THERE ARE SOME THAT DON'T LIKE 
THE IDEA OF PAYING $39 MILLION 
TO EXIT THE UNION.
THE BACKSTOP WAS THE MOST 
CONTENTIOUS PART, BUT THAT'S 
CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY POINT 
THAT PEOPLE TAKE ISSUE WITH.
IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH 
CHALLENGE FOR HER NOW TO SALVAGE
THE DEAL, PARTICULARLY WHEN SHE 
HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE A LOT 
OF MOVEMENT ON IT.
>> Andrew: THANK YOU.
WE'LL GET BACK IN TOUCH SOON, 
BUT FOR NOW, THANK YOU.
THAT IS BRIAR STEWART OUTSIDE 
THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT IN 
LONDON.
AND RANDALL HANSEN IS HERE FROM 
THE MUNK SCHOOL OF GLOBAL 
AFFAIRS ALONG WITH BUSINESS 
CORRESPONDENT PETER ARMSTRONG.
TO TALK ABOUT THIS HAS A HUGE 
DEFEAT.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN FIND THE 
WORDS TO DESCRIBE HOW DEAFENING,
HOW BIG THIS DEFEAT IS.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER PEOPLE SAW 
THIS.
230 VOTES SEPARATING THE YES AND
THE NOS.
THIS IS A HUGE DEFEAT FOR 
THERESA MAY.
I DON'T KNOW, HOW DOES SHE STAY 
ON AS PRIME MINISTER?
>> IT'S MASSIVE.
IT'S TEN HIGHER THAN THE HIGHEST
ESTIMATES WHICH WERE 220.
AND IT'S THE GREATEST DEFEAT 
SINCE THE 1920s -- 
>> Andrew: 100 YEARS.
>> ALMOST A 100 YEARS, RAMSAY 
McDONALD SUFFERED A TERRIBLE 
DEFEAT, 166?
HE IS FAMOUS FOR DESTROYING HIS 
POLITICAL PARTY AND GOING DOWN 
IN HISTORY AS ONE OF THE WORST 
U.K. PRIME MINISTERS OF THE 20TH
CENTURY.
WE'LL SEE WHERE THEY GO FROM 
HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE GO BACK TO 
BRUSSELS.
PETER JUST SHOWED ME A TWEET 
FROM DONALD TUSK, HE SEES VERY 
LITTLE POINT IN THE DISCUSSION.
WE'RE NOT TALKING BRUSSELS, WE 
NEED AGREEMENT AMONG THE HEADS 
OF THE STATE OF THE 27 REMAINING
MEMBERS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, 
MIGHT HAVE OFFERED A SLIGHT 
ADJUSTMENT IN THE DEAL.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY OFF THE 
TABLE.
>> Andrew: HE'S HINTING THAT 
STAYING IN THE EU IS STILL 
POSSIBLE FOR THE U.K. AFTER ALL 
OF THIS, BUT THAT -- SAYS THAT 
THE U.K. NEEDS TO MAKE ITS 
INTENTIONS CLEAR AFTER THIS 
BREXIT DEFEAT.
>> THE ONE WE'RE REFERRING TO, 
IF A DEAL IS IMPOSSIBLE AND NO 
ONE WANTS A NO DEAL, WHO WILL 
HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY WHAT THE
ONLY POSITIVE SOLUTION IS?
WHICH I THINK IS SAYING, REMAIN.
RIGHT?
>> I WITHDRAW ARTICLE 50.
>> AND ARTICLE 50 IS THE 
MECHANISM WHEREBY A COUNTRY WITH
DRAWS FROM THE EU?
>> AND THEY SAID IT'S A LEGAL 
CASE THAT THE EU WILL ACCEPT A 
WITHDRAWAL LETTER, INSTEAD A 
TWO-YEAR CLOCK.
OR ASK FOR DELAY IN THE CONTEMPT
TEXT OF A SECOND -- CONTEXT OF A
SECOND REFERENDUM.
I DON'T THINK BRUSSELS WILL 
AGREE TO A DELAY TO FIGURE OUT 
WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY'VE HAD TWO YEARS AND THERE 
IS NO UNITY.
>> Andrew: THERE IS CERTAINLY 
NOT.
JUST YOUR SENSE ON THERE IS 
GOING TO BE A NONCONFIDENCE VOTE
TOMORROW.
WILL THE VOTE BE TOMORROW?
YEP.
THAT HAS BEEN TABLED BY THE 
LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION, JEREMY
CORBYN.
DO YOU THINK THAT THERESA MAY 
AND HER GOVERNMENT COULD SURVIVE
THAT NO-CONFIDENCE VOTE GIVEN 
THE DEAFENING DEFEAT SHE HAS 
SUFFERED THIS AFTERNOON?
>> WELL, IT COMES TO WHAT I SAID
EARLIER.
NORMALLY, SHE WOULD BE GONE NOW.
BUT BREXIT IS ENTIRELY 
OVERTURNED THE CONSTITUTIONAL 
RULES OF THE UNITED KINGDOM.
I THINK SHE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO 
SURVIVE, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE DUP
IN NORTHERN IRELAND DOES NOT 
WANT TO SEE JEREMY CORBYN IN 
POWER BECAUSE THEY REGARD HIM AS
A TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER.
MOST CONSERVATIVES FEAR CORBYN, 
WHO IS AN ECONOMIC VENEZUELA ON 
THE THAMES.
THEY WILL VOTE IN FAVOUR 
TOMORROW AND THE LAST POINT, IF 
YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS, THERESA 
MAY IS STILL AS POPULAR AT ABOUT
40% AS JEREMY CORBYN.
SO HE'S NOT ENJOYING A WINDFALL.
>> Andrew: MUCH MORE TO COME.
YOU'RE WATCHING CBC NEWS 
NETWORK.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE 
FOLLOWING THE STORY.
THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT HAS VOTED
DOWN THE BREXIT DEAL.
PLEASE STAND BY.
>> Andrew: THE NUMBERS, 202
FOR THE DEAL.
432 AGAINST.
IT'S FROM DEBATE OVER EIGHT DAYS
AND MORE THAN 30 MONTHS AFTER
THAT STUNNING REFERENDUM THAT
ENDED THE U.K.'S 46-YEAR
MEMBERSHIP IN THE BLOCK.
OPPOSITION LEADER JEREMY CORBYN
HAS CALLED FOR A NO-CONFIDENCE
VOTE IN THE GOVERNMENT TOMORROW,
AND THE BRITISH PRIME MINISTER
THERESA MAY SPOKE BEFORE CORBYN
AND EXPRESSED HER DISAPPOINTMENT
IN THE VOTE.
>> THE AYES TO THE RIGHT, 202.
THE NOS TO THE LEFT, 432.
SO THE NOS HAVE IT.
THE NOS HAVE IT.
>> THE HOUSE HAS SPOKEN AND THE
GOVERNMENT WILL LISTEN.
IT IS CLEAR THAT THE HOUSE DOES
NOT SUPPORT THIS DEAL, BUT
TONIGHT'S VOTE TELLS US NOTHING
ABOUT WHAT IT DOES SUPPORT.
NOTHING ABOUT HOW --
[Interjections]
NOTHING HOW OR EVEN IF IT
INTENDS TO HONOUR THE DECISION
THAT THE BRITISH PEOPLE TOOK IN
A REFERENDUM THAT PARLIAMENT
DECIDED TO HOLD.
AND PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY THE
E.U. CITIZENS WHO MAKE THEIR
HOME HERE AND THE U.K. CITIZENS
LIVING IN E. U., DESERVE CLARITY
ON THESE QUESTIONS AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE.
>> Andrew: LABOUR LEADER
JEREMY KOSHON WEIGHED IN AND
LEAVING NO DOUBT ABOUT HIS NEXT
MOVE.
>> THE RESULTS OF TONIGHT'S VOTE
IS THE GREATEST DEFEAT FOR A
GOVERNMENT SINCE THE 1920s IN
THIS HOUSE.
THIS IS A CATASTROPHIC DEFEAT
FOR THIS GOVERNMENT.
AFTER TWO YEARS OF FAILED
NEGOTIATIONS, THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS HAS DELIVERED ITS
VERDICT ON HER BREXIT DEAL.
AND THAT VERDICT IS ABSOLUTELY
DECISIVE.
I HEAR THE WORDS OF THE PRIME
MINISTER BUT THE ACTIONS OF THE
GOVERNMENT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS
SPEAK EQUALLY CLEARLY.
SHE IS ONLY ATTEMPTING TO REACH
OUT NOW TO TRY TO KEEP HER
FAILED PROCESS AND DEAL ALIVE
AFTER IT'S BEEN SO ROUNDLY
REJECTED BY PARLIAMENT ON BEHALF
OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY.
LABOUR HAS LAID OUT OUR
PRIORITIES CONSISTENTLY -- NO
DEAL --
[Interjections]
NO DEAL MUST BE TAKEN --
[Interjections]
NO DEAL MUST BE TAKEN OFF THE
TAKE.
PERMANENT CUSTOMS UNION MUST BE
SECURED AND PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AND
PROTECTIONS MUST BE GUARANTEED
SO THEY DO NOT FALL BEHIND.
AT EVERY TURN THE PRIME MINISTER
HAS CLOSED THE DOOR ON DIALOGUE.
BUSINESSES BEGGED HER TO
NEGOTIATE A COMPREHENSIVE UNION,
TRADE UNION LEADERS PRESSED HER
FOR THE SAME THING.
THEY WERE IGNORED.
IN THE LAST TWO YEARS SHE'S ONLY
HAD ONE PRIORITY -- THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
HER GOVERNING PRINCIPLE OF DELAY
AND DENIAL HAS REACHED THE END
OF THE LINE.
SHE CANNOT SERIOUSLY BELIEVE
THAT AFTER TWO YEARS OF FAILURE
THAT SHE'S CAPABLE OF
NEGOTIATING A GOOD DEAL FOR THE
PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY.
THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FACING
US IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS
LOST THE CONFIDENCE OF THIS
HOUSE AND THIS COUNTRY.
I, THEREFORE, MR. SPEAKER,
INFORM YOU THAT I HAVE NOW
TABLED A MOTION OF NO-CONFIDENCE
IN THIS GOVERNMENT.
[Interjections]
AND I'M PLEASED -- I'M PLEASED
THAT MOTION WILL BE DEBATED
TOMORROW.
SO THIS HOUSE CAN GIVE ITS
VERDICT ON THE SHEER
INCOMPETENCE OF THIS GOVERNMENT
AND PASS THAT MOTION OF
NO-CONFIDENCE IN THE GOVERNMENT.
[Interjections]
>> Andrew: THE CBC'S BRIAR
STEWART HAS SPENT THE DAY WITH
THE CROWDS OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSES
OF PARLIAMENT.
SHE'S WITH US AGAIN LIVE.
HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE MOOD
THERE, BRIAR?
>> Reporter: THERE WAS A LOT
OF EXCITEMENT WHEN THE NUMBERS
CAME UP ON THE SCREEN.
PEOPLE KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE
DEFEATED BUT WHEN THEY SAW BY
JUST HOW MUCH THERE WAS A LOT OF
CHEERING.
THERE WERE A LOT OF CHEERS TOO
WHEN THE LABOUR LEADER SAID THAT
HE HAD TABLED THE MOTION OF
NO-CONFIDENCE IN THE GOVERNMENT.
WHERE I'M STANDING THERE'S A
RALLY GOING ON FOR THE PEOPLE'S
VOTE, SO WHAT THE CROWD HERE IS
ADVOCATING FOR IS REALLY A
SECOND REFERENDUM.
THEY ARE REMAINERS, THEY DO NOT
WANT TO LEAVE THE E.U. BUT, OF
COURSE, NOW THAT THIS VOTE -- OR
THE DEAL WAS DEFEATED SO
RESOUNDINGLY, THE QUESTION IS
JUST WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
NOW WE HAVE HEARD SOME REACTION
FROM TOP EUROPEAN OFFICIALS.
I'LL JUST READ IT TO YOU HERE
BECAUSE THEY PUT A COUPLE OF
NOTES OUT ON TWITTER.
DONALD TUSK, THE EUROPEAN
COUNCIL PRESIDENT, HE SAYS THAT
"THE DEAL IS IMPOSSIBLE AND NO
ONE WANTS ONE DEAL, THEN WHO
WILL FINALLY HAVE THE COURAGE TO
SAY WHAT THE ONLY POSSIBLE
SOLUTION IS?"
SO HE APPEARS TO BE HINTING THAT
THE BEST SOLUTION IN ALL OF THIS
IS NO BREXIT.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE EUROPEAN
COMMISSION WHO WE KNOW CANCELLED
HIS MEETINGS TOMORROW IN ORDER
TO BE AVAILABLE FOR EMERGENCY
MEETINGS ON BREXIT, HE ALSO TOOK
TO TWITTER.
AND HE SAID, "I TAKE NOTE OF THE
REGRET OF THE OUTCOME OF THE
VOTE IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
THIS EVENING.
I URGE THE U.K. TO CLARIFY ITS
INTENTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
TIME IS ALMOST UP ON BREXIT."
THAT IS A KEY FACTOR IN THIS, IS
THAT MARCH 29th DEADLINE.
NOW THAT DEADLINE IS IN PLACE
BECAUSE OF WHEN THE GOVERNMENT
TRIGGERED ARTICLE 50.
THE GOVERNMENT COULD DECIDE TO
EXTEND IT, IT IS WITHIN ITS
POWER, IT'S ALLOWED, HOWEVER,
PRIME MINISTER THERESA MAY HAS
SAID THAT SHE'S NOT REALLY
WANTING TO DO THAT NOW.
SHE HASN'T RULED IT OUT CLEATLY
COMPLETELY BUT SHE DOESN'T
FAVOUR THAT, AND THAT'S WHY THE
CLOCK IS TICKING BECAUSE IF
THERE'S NO AGREEMENT THAT
M.P.s CAN GET BEHIND AND
SUPPORT, IT BECOMES INCREASINGLY
LIKELY THAT THE U.K. COULD LEAVE
THE E.U. WITHOUT A DEAL.
>> Andrew: THE COMPLICATING
FACTOR, BRIAR, BECAUSE WE CAN
LISTEN TO WHAT U.K. OFFICIALS
SAY BUT JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE
VOTED RESOUNDINGLY AGAINST IT
DEAL DOESN'T MEAN THEY WANT TO
STAY NECESSARILY IN THE E.U.
THEY COULD HAVE BEEN BREXITEERS
WHO VOTED AGAINST THIS DEAL
BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE IT FOR A
WHOLE VARIETY OF REASONS, RIGHT?
SO TO SAY THAT THE ONLY SOLUTION
NOW IS FOR BRITAIN TO STAY IN
THE E.U., THAT MIGHT PLEASE SOME
BUT IT WILL DISAPPOINT MANY
OTHERS.
>> Reporter: OH, YEAH, YOU
BET.
IT WILL CERTAINLY FRUSTRATE A
LOT OF OTHERS.
THE REASON THAT THE U.K. IS IN
THIS POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE
IS BECAUSE OF THE REFERENDUM
BACK IN 2016 AND THE FACT THAT,
YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE
PEOPLE VOTED TO LEAVE THE
EUROPEAN UNION.
SO THE AGREEMENT WAS VOTED DOWN
AND IT'S SO UNPOPULAR FOR A
NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT THERE'S A
LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEAVE
THAT DIDN'T SUPPORT THE
AGREEMENT BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT
PROVISIONS.
MOST NOTABLY THE CONTENTIOUS
IRISH BACKSTOP.
THAT'S REALLY THE THORNIEST OF
ALL OF THE ISSUES.
IT'S A PROVISION THAT WOULD BE
TRIGGERED AT THE END OF 2020 IF
THE U.K. AND THE E.U. DON'T COME
UP WITH SOME KIND OF PERMANENT
ARRANGEMENT.
THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT A LOT OF
THE M.P.s HAVE REALLY BEEN
SPEAKING OUT AGAINST.
AND THAT'S REALLY A THEORY WHERE
THERESA MAY HAD TRIED TO GET
ASSURANCES FROM EUROPEAN
OFFICIALS AND SHE WASN'T ABLE TO
DO THAT.
SO THE QUESTION IS NOW -- JUST
HOW CAN SHE MOVE BEYOND THIS
VOTE?
I MEAN, THE CONSERVATIVES WOULD
NEED 118 MORE M.P.s TO SUPPORT
IT IF THEY TOOK IT TO A SECOND
VOTE AND SHE HAS BEEN
NEGOTIATING UP THROUGHOUT THIS
WHOLE TIME TO TRY TO SHAPE THIS
AGREEMENT WITH E.U. OFFICIALS.
AND THERE REALLY IS A QUESTION
OF JUST HOW MUCH MORE SHE CAN
DO, BECAUSE THAT'S STILL A LOT
OF M.P.s TO GET ON BOARD BUT
THE NEXT BIG OBSTACLE THAT
SHE'LL FACE IS THE NO-CONFIDENCE
VOTE TOMORROW.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN TABLED
AND IT WILL BE DEBATED AND THAT
VOTE WILL BE HELD TOMORROW.
SO ANOTHER BIG DAY.
>> Andrew: IRONICALLY, BRIAR,
IF WHAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING IS
THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHE
WAS SO BADLY DEFEATED IN THIS
VOTE ON BREXIT, IT SEEMS AS
THOUGH PEOPLE THINK THAT SHE
WILL AND HER GOVERNMENT WILL
SURVIVE A NO-CONFIDENCE VOTE
TOMORROW.
>> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT.
IT IS VERY LIKELY TO SUCCEED
BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATIC UNION'S
PARTY, WHICH IS THE NORTHERN
IRISH PARTY, IT PROPS UP MAY'S
MINORITY GOVERNMENT.
AND IT HAS SAID -- OFFICIALS
FROM THE PARTY HAVE SAID THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPORT MAY AND
THE CONSERVATIVES IN A
CONFIDENCE VOTE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S LIKELY THAT
THE NO-CONFIDENCE VOTE WILL BE
DEFEATED, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE
OTHER STEP IN A REALLY A SERIES
OF ARTICLES -- OR OBSTACLES,
RATHER.
MAY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO
PARLIAMENT WITHIN THREE SITTING
DAYS WITH SOME KIND OF PLAN B,
SO SHE REALLY HAS TO ONLY
MONDAY.
IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT IN THE
NEXT COUPLE DAYS SHE'LL MEET
WITH THE EUROPEAN OFFICIALS
AGAIN TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
SHE CAN DO TO SWEETEN THIS DEAL
AND TRY TO GET MORE PEOPLE ON
BOARD.
BUT, AGAIN, WHEN YOU NEED 118
MORE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT IT, IT IS
VERY CHALLENGING.
>> Andrew: YEAH, THE NUMBERS
JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE THERE.
BRIAR, THANK YOU FOR NOW.
THE CBC'S BRIAR STEWART IS LIVE
IN LONDON.
>>> NOW TO BREAK DOWN TODAY'S
VOTE AND WHAT LED UP TO IT AND
WHAT THE COMING DAYS AND WEEKS
WILL LOOK LIKE, FOR THAT LET'S
DO TWO THINGS.
WE'LL BRING BACK RANDALL HANSEN
FROM THE MUNK SCHOOL OF GLOBAL
ATEARS IN STUDIO, AND JOE
TWIDEN, THE CO-FOUNDER OF DETTA
POLL.
AND CBC'S PETER ARMSTRONG IS
ALSO HERE.
SO, JOE, LET ME START WITH YOU.
THE RESULT WAS EXPECTED.
WHAT SHOULD WE -- BUT WHAT DID
YOU MAKE OF THAT -- OF THAT
DEFEAT -- 432 VOTING AGAINST,
AND 202 VOTING IN FAVOUR.
I DON'T THINK VERY MANY PEOPLE
SAW A DEFEAT QUITE THAT BIG.
>> NO, THAT'S RIGHT.
THE WHOLE QUESTION AROUND --
SWIRLING AROUND WESTMINSTER
TODAY WAS HOW BIG WOULD THE
DEFEAT BE.
THERE WAS NEVER A QUESTION THAT
THE DEFEAT WOULD COME, AND
EVERYONE WAS EXPRESSING THE
MAGNITUDE AND THERE WERE
SUSPICIONS THAT PERHAPS IT MIGHT
BE AS LOW AS 50.
JOE MacDONALD, THE LABOUR
DEPUTY LEADER, WAS ON THE RADIO
THIS MORNING AND THINKING THAT
THE CONSERVATIVES WERE TALKING
DOWN THEIR CHANCES AND THAT
ACTUALLY 50 MIGHT BE REASONABLE.
YOU HAD OTHER PEOPLE SAY, WELL,
THREE FIGURES MIGHT BE
MANAGEABLE.
BUT A DEFEAT OF THIS MAGNITUDE
IS RIGHT ON THE UPPER BOUNDS OF
EXPECTATION.
AND REALLY A DISASTER FOR THE
GOVERNMENT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME DOES IT
ACTUALLY CHANGE ANYTHING?
WELL, ARGUABLY, NOT.
WE FIND OURSELVES WHERE WE WERE
BEFORE CHRISTMAS -- KNOWING THAT
THIS WOULD BE DEFEATED.
AND THE MAGNITUDE OF DEFEAT
MEANS THAT SOME SORT OF
TINKERING AROUND THE EDGES WILL
NOT PRODUCE A VICTORY.
SO THERESA MAY FINDS HERSELF
HAVING TO GO BACK AT LEAST TO
SOME EXTENT TO THE DRAWING BOARD
AND NOW FACING A NO-CONFIDENCE
MOTION TOMORROW WHICH SHE'S
PRETTY MUCH CERTAIN TO WIN.
JUST DELAYING THE PROCESS EVEN
FURTHER.
>> Andrew: SO, JOE, WHAT DO
YOU THINK THAT PARLIAMENTARIANS
WERE TELLING THERESA MAY IN THE
VOTE THAT TOOK PLACE TODAY?
I KNOW THEY VOTED FOR A VARIETY
OF REASONS, BUT WHAT DO YOU
THINK WAS THE MESSAGE THAT THEY
WERE TRYING TO SEND?
>> MY SENSE IS THAT THEY WERE
SENDING A MESSAGE THAT NOT ONLY
WAS THIS DEAL NOT GOOD ENOUGH,
IT WASN'T NEARLY GOOD ENOUGH.
IT WASN'T CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE
EXPECTATIONS OF ALL SIDES OF THE
DEBATE.
THE REMAINERS FELT THAT IT
DIDN'T GO NEARLY FAR ENOUGH
TOWARDS THEIR SIDE.
THE LEAVERS WERE FURIOUS THAT IT
WENT FAR TOO FAR AWAY FROM WHAT
THEY WANTED.
SO WE FIND OURSELVES IN A
SITUATION WHERE THERE'S REALLY
NO OBVIOUS WAY FORWARD.
THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS FORWARD,
THE PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED, BUT
NONE OF THEM ARE POPULAR.
WHEN YOU ASK THE PUBLIC WHICH IS
THE MOST POPULAR OPTION YOU FIND
THAT THE TWO -- IF YOU LIKE
EXTREME OPTIONS NO-DEAL BREXIT
OR REMAINING IN THE E.U.,
THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH NECK-IN-NECK
AND STILL ONLY THOSE GET A THIRD
OF THE SUPPORT.
WHEN YOU GO INTO OPTIONS LIKE
RENEGOTIATION AND EXTENSION OF
ARTICLE 50 OR, INDEED, MAY'S
DEAL AS WAS PUT FORWARD, THAT
GETS FEWER THAN ONE IN FIVE
PEOPLE SUPPORTING IT.
SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT GETS
MAJORITY SUPPORT IN THE PUBLIC,
THERE'S NOTHING THAT GETS
MAJORITY SUPPORT IN PARLIAMENT,
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE
CLOCK IS TICKING AND THERE'S NO
OBVIOUS WAY FORWARD.
>> Andrew: SO, RANDALL, WHAT
DO YOU THINK -- DOES THAT MEAN
THAT BRITAIN ON MARCH 29th, IN
NINE OR 10 WEEKS FROM NOW, COULD
CRASH RIGHT OUT OF THE E.U., NOT
NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT WANTS TO
BUT JUST BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO
BE A STALEMATE BOTH IN
PARLIAMENT AND IN THE BRITISH
PUBLIC?
>> THEORETICALLY IT COULD, BUT
THERE'S LESS SUPPORT IN THE
GOVERNMENT FOR HARD BREXIT, AND
JOE IS RIDE THAT THERE'S NOT
GOOD OPTIONS.
I SUSPECT THAT WE'LL GET A
SERIES OF WHAT ARE CALLED
INDICATIVE VOTES, TESTING
SUPPORT IN PARLIAMENT FOR
SEVERAL OPTIONS -- A SECOND
REFERENDUM, POSSIBLY CORBYN'S
SUGGESTIONS OF SIMPLY STAYING IN
THE CUSTOMS UNION BUT NOT THE
SINGLE MARKET, OR THE NORWAY
OPTION OF STAYING GOING INTO THE
EUROPEAN FREE-TRADE AREA AND
STAYING IN THE SINGLE MARKET OR
THE CUSTOMS UNION.
AND IF PARLIAMENT SHOWS
DEFINITIVE SUPPORT FOR ONE OF
THOSE AND KNOWS WHAT IT WANTS,
THEN IT COULD GO BACK TO
BRUSSELS.
SO I THINK THAT THIS REALLY HAS
TO BE PUT TO PARLIAMENT AND
EFFECTIVELY PARLIAMENT HAS
DEMANDED IT, THAT IT BE PUT TO
PARLIAMENT.
>> I MEAN, I WOULD BE INTERESTED
IN EITHER OF YOUR TAKES.
HOW MUCH DOES THIS VOTE -- AND I
GUESS THAT THE MARGIN OF THIS
VOTE -- DOES IT TAKE WHAT
HAPPENS NOW OUT OF THE HANDS OF
WESTMINSTER AND PUT WAY MORE
POWER IN THE HANDS OF BRUSSELS?
THAT CAN SAY, OKAY, YOU WANT TO
TEST THE WATERS ON A NORWAY
OPTION OR A CUSTOMS UNION OR
WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE'LL EXTEND
ON THAT BUT ON NOTHING ELSE.
AND, IF NOT, YOU'RE CRASHING ON
MARCH 29th.
THEY SEEM -- BRUSSELS SEEMED TO
HAVE GAINED AN ENORMOUS UPPER
HAND HERE, AM I WRONG IN READING
THAT.
>> I THINK THEY ALWAYS HAD AN
UPPER HAND.
IT WAS AN ILLUSION THAT YOU HOLD
ALL OF THE CARDS, AND BRITAIN IS
THE ONE LEAVING IS IN
STRUCTURALLY A DISADVANTAGED
POSITION.
BUT I'LL LET JOE COME IN.
>> JOE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT
BECAUSE I'M FASCINATED BY WHO
GETS TO DICTATE THE NEXT MOVES.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT THE BRUSSELS
IS CERTAINLY IN THE STRONG
POSITION.
BUT AS WAS MENTIONED, THIS HAS
BEEN THE SITUATION THROUGHOUT.
THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED AT LEAST
IN THIS COUNTRY AS A
NEGOTIATION.
BUT REALLY IT'S A VERY ONE-SIDED
NEGOTIATION.
WHEN YOU HAVE A RELATIVELY SMALL
COUNTRY AND A RELATIVELY SMALL
POPULATION LIKE BRITAIN, YES,
YOU HAVE SOME SWAY AND YOU CAN
PULL SOME LEVERS AND HOPE FOR A
DEGREE OF GOODWILL, BUT AS ANY
COUNTRY THAT HAS NEGOTIATED WITH
A LARGE TRADING BLOCK, WHETHER
THAT'S THE UNITED STATES OR
WHETHER THAT'S CHINA, OR WHETHER
THAT'S THE EUROPEAN UNION KNOWS,
THAT THEY HOLD -- IF NOT ALL OF
THE CARDS -- THEN CERTAINLY A
GREAT NUMBER OF THEM.
WHAT I THINK THAT THIS DOES IS
PLACES THE LIKELIHOOD OF AN
EXTENSION BACK ON THE TABLE.
AND IT INCREASES THE EXTENSION
OF ARTICLE 50, AN EXTENSION OF
THAT DEADLINE THAT AT THE MOMENT
SITS AT MARCH 29th.
AND WHAT BRUSSELS WILL ENACT IN
ORDER TO GRANT THAT EXTENSION
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
I IMAGINE THAT IF PARLIAMENT
AGREED TO A NEW GENERAL ELECTION
OR SECOND REFERENDUM, THEN
BRUSSELS WOULD NOT HESITATE TO
GRANT AN EXTENSION TO ARTICLE
50.
BUT TO CARRY ON THE NEGOTIATIONS
WHEN THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THAT
NOTHING MORE CAN COME OF IT?
I CAN'T SEE THAT.
SO THAT LEAVES THE OPTION OF
BRITAIN UNILATERALLY WITHDRAWING
FROM ARTICLE 50, SOMETHING
WHICH --
>> Andrew: THAT IS TO LEAVE
THE EUROPEAN UNION, RIGHT, JUST
TO BE CLEAR -- THAT ARTICLE 50
FOR OUR CANADIAN AUDIENCE,
ARTICLE 50 IS THAT MECHANISM TO
LEAVE THE EUROPEAN UNION.
SO YOU THINK, JOE, THAT MARCH
29th DEADLINE IS NOW IN
QUESTION, THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY
SEE BRITAIN STAY IN THE E.U.
BEYOND THAT DATE AS ALL OF THIS
MESS GETS SORTED OUT?
>> YES, I THINK SO.
THIS MECHANISM FOR EXITING THE
E.U., WE COULD UNILATERALLY EXIT
THAT PROCESS.
SO WE COULD EXIT BREXIT, IF YOU
LIKE, JUST TO MAKE THINGS EVEN
MORE CONFUSING.
AND SO THAT -- I DON'T THINK
THAT IS OFF THE TABLE.
WHAT IS CERTAIN IS THAT THERE IS
NOTHING LIKE A MAJORITY SUPPORT
FOR NO DEAL WITHIN PARLIAMENT.
THAT REALLY DOES SEEM TO BE THE
LEAST POPULAR OPTION.
SO AS PREVIOUSLY SAID, I THINK
THAT A SERIES OF VOTES OVER THE
NEXT FEW DAYS -- BEAR IN MIND
THAT THERESA MAY HAS ONLY THREE
DAYS TO COME UP WITH AN
ALTERNATIVE NOW AND TO MOVE
THINGS FORWARD.
IT MAY BE THAT WE SEE DEBATES
AND VOTES AROUND THE VARIOUS
DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BECAUSE OTHER
COUNTRIES HAVE THEM.
AND THAT MEANS NORWAY AND THAT
MEANS CANADA AND PERHAPS A
NO-DEAL BREXIT.
BUT WE HAVE GREAT UNCERTAINTY
HERE.
AND THE KEY POINT IS THAT TODAY,
WHILE IT HAS NOT MADE THINGS ANY
BETTER FOR THE GOVERNMENT BY ANY
MEANS, IT CERTAINLY HASN'T MADE
ANYTHING CLEARER.
WE STAND HERE AS CONFUSED AND AS
UNCERTAIN ABOUT THE FUTURE AS WE
WERE A WEEK AGO, AS WE WERE A
MONTH AGO, AND REALLY, AS WE
WERE WHEN THE REFERENDUM CAME
IN.
>> Andrew: PETER?
>> A COUPLE POINTS.
THOSE THREE DAYS ARE THREE
SITTING DAYS SO I THINK THAT
WILL TAKE US TO MONDAY.
TWO, JUST AS AN ILLUSTRATION OF
THE AMOUNT OF HOW MUCH THIS WAS
ALL PRICED IN, THE FINANCIAL
MARKETS HAVE BEEN WATCHING
THROUGH THIS VOTE AND THEN
REACTING TO THE VOTE.
AS THE VOTE HIT, THEY ALL FELL A
LITTLE BIT, NOT AS MUCH AS
EXPECTED AND THEY ALL REBOUNDED
TO WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE THE
VOTE.
SO A LOT OF THAT KIND OF STUFF
WAS BUILT IN.
AND IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT
WE ARE NO FURTHER REALLY ALONG
THE PROCESS NOW THAN WE WERE
BEFORE CHRISTMAS THOUGH I THINK,
YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD DOOR NUMBER
ONE, TWO OR THREE OR FOUR,
YOU'RE NOW DOWN TO DOOR NUMBER
ONE OR TWO IN TERMS OF SOME KIND
OF A REFERENDUM AND SOME KIND OF
AN EXTENSION WITH VERY STRICT
RULES OR TERMS AS SET BY
BRUSSELS.
>> AGREED.
THIS IS OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE WHO
IS PARTICIPATING IN THIS DEBATE
BUT WE HAVE TO RECALL THAT THIS
WAS NOT A VOTE ON BREXIT.
THIS WAS NOT WHAT BREXIT WAS
GOING TO BE.
THIS WAS A VOTE ON THE
TRANSITIONAL PERIOD FOR 24
MONTHS AT THE END OF WHICH THERE
WOULD BE THE FINAL BREXIT.
>> MIGHT BE.
>> MIGHT HAVE BEEN, YEAH.
SO EVEN IF THIS DEAL HAD PASSED
WE'D STILL BE IN THE SAME
TORTUROUS SITUATION.
SO WHAT I ACTUALLY THINK THAT
CANADA IS OFF THE TAKE, BECAUSE
THE CANADA OPTION OR CANADA PLUS
OR PLUS-PLUS, THE VARIOUS
OPTIONS, THE CANADIAN OPTION
MEANT EFFECTIVELY THAT THE
CANADA-E.U. FREE-TRADE DEAL FOR
BRITAIN, WHICH IS, SAY, FREE
TRADE IN GOODS AND VERY LIMITED
IN SERVICES, THAT TOOK SEVEN
YEARS FOR US TO NEGOTIATE.
>> Andrew: WITH THE PEOPLE --
AND NOT PEOPLE?
>> NOT PEOPLE, ABSOLUTELYING
NOT.
SO, FRANKLY, A MUCH, MUCH WORSE
DEAL THAN THE UNITED KINGDOM
HAS.
AND SO I THINK THAT CANADA IS
NOW OFF THE TABLE.
CANADA WAS A LIKELY ENDPOINT HAD
THE DEAL PASSED.
>> Andrew: WE JUST HAVE SOME
REACTION NOW -- FROM BORIS
JOHNSON, THE FORMER FOREIGN
MINISTER WHO SAYS THAT THIS DEAL
IS DEAD.
HE SAYS -- HE SAYS "IT'S SO
EVIDENTLY A BAD DEAL FOR THE
U.K. THAT THE VOTE HAS GIVEN THE
P.M., MAY, A MANDATE TO GO BACK
TO BRUSSELS AND SAY, THIS WON'T
WORK FOR US."
SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT JOHNSON
SAYS THAT "THE BACKSTOP HAS GOT
TO GO."
THAT'S PROBABLY -- JOE, THAT'S
PROBABLY NOT A SURPRISE TO HEAR
FROM BORIS JOHNSON AND HIS
REACTION TO ALL OF THIS.
>> NO, IT'S REALLY REPEATING
WHAT WE HEARD REPEATEDLY FROM
BORIS JOHNSON.
HE FOCUSES ON THE BACKSTOP ON
THIS PARTICULAR OCCASION WHICH
IS THIS SPECIFIC BIT AROUND
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF NO DEAL IS
NOT ARRANGED AFTER THE END OF
THE WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT IN
YEARS TO COME.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR
NORTHERN IRELAND?
AND IT'S THIS THAT IS THE HIGHLY
CONTENTIOUS ISSUE WITH THE
DEMOCRATIC UNIONISTS, THE
GOVERNMENT'S COALITION PARTNERS
-- I'M SORRY, THE CONSERVATIVES'
COALITION PARTNERS IN
GOVERNMENT.
AND IN ACTUAL FACT CONSISTENTLY
BORIS JOHNSON HAS MADE IT CLEAR
THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE THIS DEAL
AT ALL.
HE THINKS THAT IT GOES FAR TOO
FAR TOWARDS EUROPE.
HE ALSO CRUCIALLY BELIEVES THAT
IT DOESN'T RESPECT THE RESULTS
OF THE REFERENDUM.
AND THIS WILL BE A KEY MATTER OF
DEBATE MOVING FORWARD ABOUT WHAT
FORM BREXIT TAKES AND WHETHER IT
CAN BE JUDGED ON TRUE CRITERIA.
FIRSTLY, DO PEOPLE THINK THAT
IT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY?
AND, SECONDLY, DO THEY THINK
THAT IT RESPECTS THE RESULTS OF
THE REFERENDUM?
ANY DEAL, IF IT'S GOING TO BE
ANYTHING LIKE THE LEVEL OF
SUCCESS THAT IT NEEDS IN
PARLIAMENT BUT ALSO IN THE
PUBLIC MUST TO AT LEAST TO SOME
DEGREE ANSWER THOSE TWO
QUESTIONS POSITIVELY.
SO FAR, WHETHER IT'S CANADA
PLUS-PLUS OR NORWAY PLUS-PLUS OR
HARD BREXIT OR BLIND BREXIT, ALL
OF THESE VARIOUS THINGS, NO ONE
CAN REALLY COME UP WITH
SOMETHING THAT FULFILLS THOSE
TWO CRITERIA.
>> Andrew: WE'RE ALSO GETTING
JUST SOME -- SOME INFORMATION
FROM THE U.K. PRIME MINISTER'S
SPOKESPERSON WHO SAYS THAT SHE
IS NOT RESIGNED AND SHE'S
FOCUSING ON DELIVERING THE
BREXIT THAT PEOPLE VOTED FOR,
THAT THAT CONFIDENCE MOTION IS
GOING TO TAKE PLACE AT 19:00
G.M.T., SO THAT IS MINUS FIVE
HOURS -- HELP ME -- THAT IS 2:00
EASTERN TIME TOMORROW.
THAT THE PRIME MINISTER STILL
BELIEVES THAT SHE HAS THE
CONFIDENCE OF THE HOUSE.
AND ALSO THAT WE DON'T
NECESSARILY AGREE THAT ARTICLE
50 WILL HAVE TO BE EXTENDED.
JOE, JUST A QUICK REACTION TO
ALL OF THAT, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
IS SAYING?
>> IT WAS ENTIRELY EXPECTED.
YOU WOULD EXPECT A STATEMENT
FROM THE PRIME MINISTER AT THIS
STAGE AND YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO
SAY THAT SHE FIGHTS ON AND SHE
FIGHTS TO WIN TO QUOTE ANOTHER
FEMALE PRIME MINISTER IN THIS
COUNTRY.
AND SHE IS CONFIDENT OF WINNING
THE NO-CONFIDENCE MOTION THANKS
TO THE SUPPORT FOR THE D.P.
AND THEY SAID THEY'LL SUPPORT
HER AND THEY HAVE SUGGESTED THEY
WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT HER IN
MATTER OF NO-CONFIDENCE.
SO SHE MAY BE HOPING THAT THAT
VOTE GIVES HER ACTUALLY SOME
POSITIVE MOMENTUM.
WINNING THAT MEANS THAT SHE CAN
CARRY ON.
FOR PRECISELY HOW LONG SHE
CARRIES ON ONCE WE GET THROUGH
THIS, IF WE EVER GET THROUGH
THIS, REMAINS, OF COURSE, TO BE
SEEN AND IT WILL BE A MATTER OF
SOME DEBATE.
>> Andrew: BUT, JOE, THE
SPOKESMAN ALSO SAID THAT THE
PRIME MINISTER STILL BELIEVES
HER DEAL CAN FORM THE BASIS OF A
DEAL THAT WINS SUPPORT OF
PARLIAMENT.
JOE, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE THAT
AFTER THIS DEFEAT THAT THE
SPOKESPERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO
SAY THAT ON HER BEHALF, THAT SHE
STILL THINKS THAT HER DEAL IS
GOING TO WIN A MAJORITY THAT IT
NEEDS IN PARLIAMENT?
IT SEEMS TO ME IMPOSSIBLE.
>> IT'S ALMOST CERTAINLY NOT
TRUE.
IT'S SIMPLE.
THIS IS SPIN.
AND YOU WOULD NOT EXPECT A
SPOKESPERSON FOR THE PRIME
MINISTER TO COME OUT AND SAY,
YOU KNOW WHAT, WE REALLY MESSED
THAT UP AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT
TO DO NOW.
>> Andrew: THERE NEEDS TO BE
SOME RECOGNITION, NO, OF JUST
HOW BAD THE DEFEAT WAS, DON'T
YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD
NORMALLY DO WHEN YOU HAVE THE
WORST DEFEAT IN ABOUT A HUNDRED
YEARS?
>> YOU WOULD THINK UNDER NORMAL
CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THAT KIND OF
BEHAVIOUR MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE
AND REALISTIC.
THESE ARE NOT NORMAL
CIRCUMSTANCES SO, QUITE FRANKLY,
ALL BETS ARE OFF.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT STATEMENT
WAS PREPARED BEFORE THEY KNEW
THE MAGNITUDE OF THE LOSS AND
THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED IT SO NOW
THEY'RE JUST HAPPY TO JUST DRIVE
ON REGARDLESS OF THE REALITY
THAT SWIRLS AROUND THEM.
>> Andrew: A SPOKESMAN SAYS
THAT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY
DISAPPOINTED WITH THE RESULT BUT
IT'S IMPORTANT TO TRY TO MOVE
FORWARD.
RANDALL HANSEN HERE IN STUDIO
WITH PETER ARMSTRONG AND JOE
TWYMAN IN LONDON, THANK YOU ALL
VERY MUCH.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE E.U.
COMMISSION HAS WEIGHED IN WITH
HIS REACTION TO TODAY'S VOTE
ONLINE.
AND JEAN-CLAUDE JUN
