For me if I had my ayahuasca experiences first
And so I was in a ceremony with a shaman and there was so much respect and yeah around it
They're not that's how I treat my psilocybin experiences with the same type of you know, there's an occasion. It's planned that it's dark
I'm alone. It's big. It's going to be something that's very I am scared
And so so that's how I've been conditioned to approach it and I quite like it that way. Yeah, and that that's the
that's the other thing that
Terence talked about and everybody's talked about it and I talked about a lot that the importance of set and setting you know
People say how can we use these things safely and and still get a lot out of it
We'll pay attention to sentence setting
those are the the two big variables, you know plan for it have an intention and
You know and and arrange your setting so that you know
Number one you're safe, and that's assured so maybe not on the freeway
Maybe not even at a rock concert or whatever do it in a place where no one is gonna bother you
No one at least that you don't want to bother you. Not the neighbors. Not the local constabulary
Maybe your your most significant other or something like that
Could be close by or share it but setting is important
and
Intention, you know and and that's part of the whole respect thing. Why am I doing this?
What do I expect to get out of it? What what are we doing this for?
you know and then the setting the set the set is really
Everything you bring to it who you are
What your expectation is what you know, it's it's everything it's you. It's your mindset
Everybody's mindset is different
Terrence
Told me once when we were young before, I'd ever taken LSD he said
Don't take LSD until you've read
psychology and alchemy
By young right and we were reading young at that time. He said don't take it Steve
You'll get much more out of it. If you do that. Well, I hadn't read
Psychology of alchemy when I when I took them the first time
But later I did that and I realized what he meant
I mean a lot of the things that came up at the psychology of alchemy is a kind of a good
map for a lot of the
Sort of Gestalt sand ideas that come up during a psychedelic experience
So so setting is one thing and set is the other variable which you it was just much trickier
But they're both important, you know, I find with ayahuasca I get a distinct
Finite set of lessons like 1 2 3. This is what we need to go do sometimes it's very related to plants symbiosis
Sometimes is related to some relationship things. I need to do very much. Usually those I use other people you usually not
Being confronted with your IPO on an ayahuasca experience. It's very deep but with psilocybin
Sometimes I don't know
Any specific lessons afterwards the day or two afterwards
I I don't have in my mind that I need to go do this this and this is that something you hear a lot is
that
Something that's typical to have kind of different experience. Yeah, I'd say so, okay
I wast gives me often much more of a
counselor in some ways or it does give you
Ideas about what you should be doing or you know you like you say your
relationships or insights into this whole
you know mission that we're engaged in which is to save the planet ultimately, but you know that
plant human symbiosis thing
It's much more about that
Mushrooms are not that way so much
mushrooms
Yeah, they don't really lay out an agenda they sort of just laid down a wrap more or less and
It's like, you know, they just download information like they did a lot sure and they say well
This is what it is. This is what's going on here and you say well, but that's crazy
you know unless
Sorry
That's what it is, you know deal with it
With Terrence call it having a conversation with the leprechaun or having a conversation
And yeah, and you want to engage in the conversation and they're not answering your questions
Well, they're they're they're dodgy. They're they're very tricky, you know, they're elfin. They're mischievious
I mean this is the whole thing, you know, and this this comes up again with
discussions of also DMT and
Mushrooms are really a form of DMT
They're really a the orally active form of DMT if you understand the chemistry, right?
Silicon is one molecule away from DMT. It's four hydroxy dimethyltryptamine
So that hydroxy group is just different enough that it's orally active without an MAO inhibitor, right?
So it really is DMT and at the higher doses you you get into those areas you see
Yes, this is this is this is a tryptamine land. This is the tryptamine space and
mushrooms ayahuasca and DMT all
get you into that place, right and
So
Forgot what what my thread was. Yeah. I remember - so, uh
We took wasn't psilocybin and the DMT s. What was I?
Got so in trance. I didn't know what we were talking about. Yeah, but but so they're all they're all
DMT of that space, but they're all like a little different
I mean, it's it's sort of you're looking into the same
On the air through the same thing at the same thing, but through slightly different portals if you will
yes, the lessons versus the information and the right right it more downloads stuff and
You know and you can you can take
Away from any of that what you will you know?
Be in the form of a lesson but usually with ayahuasca. It's I
don't know exactly it's it's like
You come away with a sense
Often that, you know, we really have to do something. You have to change something you have to
Change your diet or you know talk to your loved one and get something
Straightened out or stuff like that and the mushroom, it's not necessarily. There's not a plan for action
This is this is what?
It's the lesson for the day or this is what you this is what you come away with but there's not necessarily
anything
To do about it others didn't know
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