>> Earlier on the show, we reported on Mike
Pompeo going off on an NPR reporter.
He did that after she dared ask him about
the firing of Ukraine ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch.
And so in the wake of that, Mike Pompeo went
and yelled at that NPR reporter and unleashed
a fiery geography quiz upon her.
>> So the question everyone asks is what does
Meghan McCain think about this?
And you could really compare Pompeo to a lot
of people who have been the brunt of tough
questions from the media.
>> Scary ladies at NPR.
>> Just from the scary ladies at NPR but she
chose one that you wouldn't expect, Adam Driver,
take a look at this.
>> There's a weird pattern right now of people
walking out of NPR interviews, cuz remember
we talked on the show Adam Driver did it.
Because something he asked not to be played
on NPR was played, so this is now the second
notable person that's walking out of NPR.
So I don't know what's going on over at NPR.
>> Just every fact about this is so fascinating,
it's not even fascinating.
She could have picked anyone who was facing
tough questions or maybe national security
you would invoke.
But no, she just thinks because two people
walked out of interviews, those two people
are the exact same and it's the fault of NPR.
>> Yeah.
>> Adam Driver walked out because he was please
don't play a clip of my acting, I have a phobia
about it, I don't like listening to myself.
And they did and he left because of that.
Mike Pompeo was asked about the thing that
might unseat the president.
>> It's the same.
>> But he should have just said, listen, I
have a phobia talking about foreign policy,
and all impeachment.
>> Yeah.
>> If you could really not talk about anything
to do with Ukraine or anything, that'd be
great, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> He should have just done that.
And then we would have all moved on and been,
my god, he's so powerful.
>> Wow, what a great actor.
Those eyes and those strong arms.
Are we still talking about Pompeo?
>> I'm not sure, actually.
>> Adam Driver is quite-
>> It's a State Department story, now in theaters.
So I sometimes feel a little bit weird being
too hypercritical of Meghan McCain.
She's one person in the media but it's the
most important political show outside of Fox
and Friends.
It's a huge juggernaut and she is incredibly
well paid.
At least $1 million a year if not more, which
means that she earned $8,000 while making
that one comment.
>> She earned a significant portion of a middle
class income yearly to say, I've noticed a
sort of a pattern and I'm gonna, this is sort
of behind the scenes, I guess.
This thing that we do, there are far harder
jobs than this.
Honestly, all that you're expected to do on
some networks, you have to be able to read
a teleprompter.
We thankfully don't have to do that because
it's actually pretty hard.
But you have to bring one interesting thing
to each story.
>> Yes.
>> And her contribution as someone who makes
more than 99% of everyone else in America
is, I've noticed a pattern, one person physically
walked out of a room and another did.
And I'm now going to make our show about that,
Adam Driver.
>> Yeah, I don't know, it's crazy, they get
a bunch of, I would pay money to see what's
on the blue cards.
>> Yeah.
>> Because those are the facts that they have
maybe they asked for them, maybe they wanted
them printed out, but I don't know for sure.
But that was the only thing that she mentioned
on the show.
She continued on to kinda hone in on who she
blames for the mistrust between the White
House and the media.
>> Scarjo.
>> Well, say if you go into an interview and
you're someone like Mike Pompeo.
And you say I wanna talk about this, I don't
wanna talk about this, and you agree ahead
of time and that journalist breaks the agreement.
>> Right.
>> I can understand how you would get frustrated.
I didn't think he sounded that angry either.
Apparently they went-
>> No later.
>> Apparently they went to another room and
got into a fight.
>> Well, that's not the point, though.
>> Which is ridiculous as well.
But I will say that the breakdown between
the trust between the media and the White
House right now I think is because of this.
Because you have journalists reporting off-the-record
information all the time, then they think
it's for the good of the people.
>> But we don't know that that's what this
is, because she apparently has all of the
texts between them, saying that-
>> He has denied, I think it's a he said,
she said.
>> Okay, she messed up even saying that.
>> She corrected herself right after that,
to be fair.
>> It doesn't matter, she released the actual
emails.
It's got to be on one of those cards.
>> They did not agree just to talk about Iran.
First of all, it'd be a super low bar to expect
the Secretary of State in a time of massive
crises in American foreign policy gets to
dictate exactly what is asked of him.
But that's not even what happened.
And she was actively misinforming millions
of people right there.
And going so far above and beyond to defend
Pompeo to say that they got into a fight.
No, he yelled at her for nine minutes straight.
She wasn't yelling back and forth.
No one at NPR has literally ever yelled in
their entire life.
>> No.
>> It wasn't a fight, it was a berating from
a powerful person against a reporter.
And then she said, and that's why there's
no trust between the White House and journalists
because they're unfair based off of this misconception
that I have, that I have now spread.
I'm gonna justify this perhaps unprecedented
multi year campaign against the free press
that we've seen from our White House.
How many ways could she fail in a 15 second
clip?
>> Does she realize that she's just parroting
the White House talking points?
Especially given, when you compare that to
everything else she's said about Trump, as
it pertains to how Trump treated her father.
I mean-
>> If you put it in those terms, she might
agree.
>> But that's it, and that's my central frustration
with Meghan McCain, is she forgot what her
argument was last segment.
>> Of course.
>> And how what she's saying now, just because
she has the thought, it doesn't necessarily
make sense.
>> But that's what she's paid to do.
I'm sorry, again, this is what she's paid
to do.
She's paid to confuse people, to say the dumbest
thing that comes to her mind, and to equate
apples with oranges.
That’s all she's there to do.
And Mary Luis Kelly, you guys, we've all heard
her voice.
>> We have, it's the most-
>> We've heard Mary Luis Kelly, there is no
one who is more benign.
>> Yes.
>> More inoffensive, more unassuming, more
like well, maybe it's this maybe it's that.
If an NPR reporter can get under your skin.
>> I mean, this is someone who is reading,
I feel like I'm being taught the Dewey Decimal
System in third grade.
We don't have that anymore but she is a librarian
level-
>> Yeah.
>> Of confrontational.
>> Yeah.
>> Could you please-
>> Yeah, maybe.
>> It's not passive aggressive.
>> Yeah.
>> It's passive.
>> It's completely passive, and I will say
this about NPR.
Here's my central critique of NPR.
I actually do think that they give equal weight
in a time when we are not equally weighted.
At a time when right and left no longer exists.
And that the right is running the board here
and NPR holds firm to the idea that somehow
they're gonna be fair and balanced in this
world that is completely unfair and unbalanced.
And Republicans are operating on complete
bad faith terms time and again.
You turn on NPR right now, you hear the impeachment.
Well, three days of just non-stop evidence
and laid out by Democrats.
Do you think they made their case?
>> That's the thing.
>> What do you mean?
>> Yesterday they were, and Ted Cruz just
said because they mention the words Hunter
and Biden on the Democratic side.
Now that opens up the door for a legal argument
that mandates that Hunter Biden is allowed
to come and testify.
I'm like, and that's what they're arguing.
>> Yeah.
>> Moving on on up first.
>> Yeah.
>> No, and that's exactly where it was, it
was so frustrating.
>> Yeah.
>> They just do that thing where they present
the side and they don't ask the question to
the person reporting, is that a good legal
argument?
>> Yes, exactly.
>> Does it pass muster?
Would anyone uphold that in the court of law?
No, no, no, it's very frustrating.
>> And again, all to maintain stability, and
I bet you after this NPR, I don't know how
much they're standing up for themselves, but
I think they will watch themselves even more.
I mean because what-
>> Yeah.
>> Meghan McCain and what the Trump Administration
is asking of the media is utter and complete
obedience.
>> Yes.
>> It is to live in an autocratic authoritarian
regime in which the fifth state or whatever
state it is, the fourth state.
What state are we?
>> The fifth element.
>> With the fifth element of state.
>> Six sense, seventh state.
>> Our sixth sense doesn't even matter.
The point is where there is no respect for
the freedom of the press, right?
And we don't live there, okay?
Sorry, and if you can't deal with an interview
from Mary Luis effin Kelly.
>> Log off.
>> Come on.
>> And then another thing, this is just the
cherry on top, this is the last clip that
we have for you before we go to break.
But Meghan McCain said something later in
the show about Bolton's book.
As everyone else is talking about the content
of Bolton's book.
>> I know.
>> Here's what Meghan McCain had to say about
it.
>> I think the title of his book is stupid.
And I think-
>> What's the title?
>> Miranda should get royalties, it's in the
room where it happened.
>> Which again, I think that Manuel Miranda
should get money for him copying his title.
Look, it seems very interesting that he's
monetizing this so quickly that the moment
it leaks the web page where you can buy his
book goes up immediately on Amazon, his publishers
put it up.
I don't know what's happening here.
I don't believe that someone like Ambassador
Bolton, who's a political animal for many,
many administrations automatically wakes up
and has a conscience.
I've said that before on the show, I just
don't believe it, maybe I'm too graded.
>> I agree with that.
>> He has a conscience.
>> Yeah.
>> I think he's doing it because he's pissed.
>> Yeah.
>> It has nothing to do with a conscience.
She was finally honest, she said I have no
idea what's going on.
>> Yeah, that's generally true, that's why
your spot should be filled by someone, even
another conservative.
Someone who actually understands conservative-
>> Yes.
>> I wouldn't love it but.
>> Look at the way they treat her with kid
gloves.
She's lowering the bar on every single conversation
and they have to treat her with kid gloves,
otherwise they're not giving a fair shake
to the conservative side.
>> They're actively not giving a fair shake
to the conservative side by having her in
the first place.
>> Yes.
>> If I was an actual conservative, I believe
that I would be more frustrated with them
honestly giving the middle finger to the right
by having Meghan McKelly and implying that
thus I have balance.
>> That's how I feel watching Ana Navarro
and Rahm Emanuel represent the left on panel
shows.
>> Yeah.
>> Ana Navarro, Republican.
I don't mind her as a person, she seems perfectly
nice.
But I know when they've had her on to represent
the Democrats and it's, she's a Republican
maybe.
>> Yeah.
>> Who do you think they're gonna get?
Are they gonna bring her in to replace Abby
Huntsman?
>> I mean, I started the, #EmmaForTheView,
get Emma Vigland on the View but we got to
tweet a bunch if it's gonna happen.
>> Obviously they're not gonna replace Meghan
with that, but maybe Emma Huntsman, you know
what?
>> Is she some famous diplomat's-
>> She's a Vigland.
>> Daughter?
>> She's a Vigland.
>> Vigland sounds like long distinguished-
>> The Vigland industry.
>> The Vigland family.
>> All right.
>> Yeah.
