Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Welcome, everyone. Thanks for joining us, we'll be getting started in about a minute.
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Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Okay. I think it's about time to get started. Hello, everyone. I'm Diane golden Burkhardt from the Coalition for networked information. See, and I
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: And I'm really delighted that you chose to spend some time out of your day with us here today. This webinar is part of seeing is spring.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Virtual membership meeting and I'm really delighted to welcome our speakers today for this really interesting talk. We're going to hear about a partnership designed to support a more seamless workflow.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: And one that will make it hopefully easier for for the process for our researchers speaking in terms of things like data curation publishing data hosting, etc.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: The title of today's webinar is innovative models and data publishing an update from CBL Dryad and Noto the presentation will be given by Daniela loewenberg of
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: The University of California and along with us here today is Alex Unity's who will be here to field any questions relating to
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: As a Noto and he comes to us from CERN and I understand it's very late for him. So thank you so much. Alex for being with us during the wee hours before I hand it over to Daniela. I just want to draw your attention to a couple of details about this webinar environment.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: First off, if you look at the bottom of the screen. There's a little q AMP a box. If you click on that.
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Daniella Lowenberg: Great. Thanks so much. Hi, everyone. For those who I don't know. I think I know some of you, I can see participants.
Daniella Lowenberg: My name is Daniela loewenberg and I am the product manager for Dryad but I'm based at California digital library I focus on data publishing and data metrics and a couple of different realms.
Daniella Lowenberg: And I practiced that because I'm kind of going to jump between a couple of my roles here, focusing on. You see, then, focusing on Dryad
Daniella Lowenberg: And kind of back and forth there and so
Daniella Lowenberg: Yeah, we have Alex here on the line today. Who's gonna help answer questions and let's kick it off.
Daniella Lowenberg: So taking a step back and looking at UC and data publishing in the last kind of decade. What we were noticing.
Daniella Lowenberg: It, you know, it's important to take a step and look at what is happening at UC in terms of research. We all know that, University of California is a massive institution. And here are some numbers to kind of prove
Daniella Lowenberg: You know how big it is that we should be expecting and and looking at this, we should see how much research data that we would expect to see
Daniella Lowenberg: And so starting around 2012 we had a data publishing platform that was aimed
Daniella Lowenberg: At being the infrastructure to support the amount of research data that we expect to come out of you see. And that was a publishing platform called dash and we have for f t
Daniella Lowenberg: That we're working on this, but we also were taking care of server maintenance storage costs.
Daniella Lowenberg: And then on top of that we were going back to all of the 10 UC campuses and saying that the preservation cost was going to be a recharge for each campus based on
Daniella Lowenberg: Which campuses are depositing and what that looked like.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so we were putting a lot of resources into this and we kept trying to think of ways of how we could try to see more adoption in it.
Daniella Lowenberg: But really, all the while we were seeing a whole bunch of deposits from UC researchers going to general repositories.
Daniella Lowenberg: Going to disciplinary another but every time I would ask a researcher. Hey, have you heard of Dash. Do you want a deposit here. It's something we have it. You see, they would say, oh, I actually go to die. There's another picture other places.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so a couple years ago after CNI I wrote a blog post kind of outlining why I thought that there was a problem with this and really I think the problem was that we were so focused internally.
Daniella Lowenberg: On some of these issues like the infrastructure and the cost and the recharge that we really weren't focused on what researchers needs are.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so some of those things that you know why it really inhibited us is, there's four points to it. One is brand recognition, so
Daniella Lowenberg: Researchers go to deposit their data where their funders, where the publishers are telling them where to go and an institutional focused repository is not something that's on those recommended repository lists.
Daniella Lowenberg: The second was that we were again coming back to that recharge. We didn't really have a strong library community advocating for the platform because there was kind of that we want deposits, but it's going to be tough to be able to make that cost for preservation
Daniella Lowenberg: The third point is that as libraries and institutions we really care about curation, but for you see specific platform. We didn't really have curation.
Daniella Lowenberg: At hand that we could apply to these data sets. So it was really just a free deposit self deposit system.
Daniella Lowenberg: And the fourth and maybe the biggest is that we didn't have connections to the larger ecosystem.
Daniella Lowenberg: We know that researchers publish when it's very seamless for them. And so we went to publishers and said, what if we build this integration or Jupiter notebooks. What if we build this integration.
Daniella Lowenberg: Where we could publish and reuse the data. And the response was always you see big that you see is not that big. We can't do it for every institution.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so we thought, you know, around
Daniella Lowenberg: How do we go forward from here. Well first we could continue with the same approach, but we really have no reason to believe that deposits are going to go up.
Daniella Lowenberg: We could look in other open technology projects that a lot of us are involved in other platforms, but there would still be a cost and still no real change in deposits, if it's still just investing in a library community.
Daniella Lowenberg: The third would be to look at a vented solution. You know what she's coming in a bundle usually and other things that are being pitched to our campuses.
Daniella Lowenberg: But with those clothes solutions with a high cost is actually kind of conflict with our values about Open Science and those priorities. And so we thought, how can we think strategically and better align with researchers and that's what brought us to partner with Dr.
Daniella Lowenberg: We know that Dr. Was researcher lead supported over the last 10 years by started by and supported by researchers. And so we thought, This may be our strongest alignment and how we can support both UC and researchers globally, because that's how researchers are thinking
Daniella Lowenberg: And so in September of this last year we relaunched dragged onto
Daniella Lowenberg: A platform that we've co developed between dried and CEO, and I don't raise this because it's a technology partnership. It's not. It's a community partnership.
Daniella Lowenberg: The only reason to bring up the technology is that there were a lot of features that we needed to be able to put in and work in an Agile environment.
Daniella Lowenberg: So that other communities and institutions and publishers and funders could better work with dry and so we're really excited about that. And it's actually what has been able to leverage this a note of stuff that we're going to talk about in a bit.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so in the first four months of 2020 and this year we have already seen more data sets published from UC researchers than we had in Dash over the six years that dash was really invested in
Daniella Lowenberg: And so we've seen more than 600 deposits in four months, which means that our alignment here is actually serving researchers better without increasing our resourcing
Daniella Lowenberg: And that ROI is really that we don't have any new f t that are required for it, we're not covering those storage costs.
Daniella Lowenberg: Of course I am, product manager for Diane at UC, but we're not putting more effort into this and
Daniella Lowenberg: What we're seeing in return is higher deposits and higher alignment with the research community, being able to support
Daniella Lowenberg: And I've looked at tons of examples. And when we look at from UC campuses. The researchers that are depositing the CO authors almost always are from an institution, either in the US or globally.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so it shows that we have to be thinking much bigger than our own institution to support researchers
Daniella Lowenberg: And so Dr was always supported by publishers early on by societies and but what's really allowed us to do this and what we're really proud of is that in the last
Daniella Lowenberg: Year that we've launched this new membership model we've seen 27 new institutions join the dried community and we see not only from these ones highlighted here like big state institutions, ideally,
Daniella Lowenberg: Large private schools, but we've also seen live small liberal arts colleges and others that really just want an easy
Daniella Lowenberg: Solution for being able to connect in. And that's really what we're looking at. We're not trying to think about this as a
Daniella Lowenberg: One Stop solution. We don't believe there ever will be that, but it's more that we're able to make these connections and they're rooted in a couple of principles that I want to go through quickly.
Daniella Lowenberg: The first is that this community is about supporting researchers and so right now we know that we need to evolve with a lot of needs that are happening in the current pandemic.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so it's great to have this platform diet that is at the ready already connected to the publishers, the Cree prints and the funders.
Daniella Lowenberg: Who are supporting the rest of the outputs on this code research. And so it really lowers that barrier and just allows the institutions to connect at that point.
Daniella Lowenberg: The second is that are rooted in aligning with researchers every day. We get tons of tweets of
Daniella Lowenberg: Researchers super proud of their work in Dryad and how people are using their work and drag and so it kind of, you know, lowers that barrier of how much do we have to advocate and teach for people to go here because it's already something that's rooted within the community within researchers
Daniella Lowenberg: But the important part is that at this point we can maintain and leverage library values. And so we're working with Columbia, for example on how Columbia can
Daniella Lowenberg: Expose anything that's happening and try it in their academic commons. And so this way. They can capture things from their researchers without having to put in the extra effort of building and maintaining a totally different system for data.
Daniella Lowenberg: And I think part of the biggest, like I said, which was a challenge earlier is just being able to amplify the voice of institutional values and the larger community.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so having funder members like 10 Zuckerberg and connecting them to institutions, knowing that because of the scale of dried we're often invited to the NIH to NSF to other funders to speak.
Daniella Lowenberg: That is a point where drag can actually be the channel for voicing a lot of things that we're talking about here at CNI within our own institutions and a lot of those principles were as one offs. We're not always invited to those conversations
Daniella Lowenberg: And so thinking about how all of this at scale. How do we better
Daniella Lowenberg: Support researchers and look beyond data. And so we know that software is a huge piece of this
Daniella Lowenberg: And in
Daniella Lowenberg: We're really excited to partner with Sunoco and so for those of you who aren't familiar, so Noto is one of the largest general repositories. They're based at CERN and we have Alex on the call. Who is the service manager for pseudo
Daniella Lowenberg: And they have really invested heavily in integrations with GitHub supporting software citation leading the way in that realm.
Daniella Lowenberg: And also just being an open source space for taking all types of outputs and they're hugely popular in Europe, and especially
Daniella Lowenberg: Within the communities there. And so I bring this up again in the terms of being a channel because at Dryad scale, we're able to make these like minded partnerships and then kind of grow that community that we're building up here.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so before the pandemic happens we're lucky enough earlier this year with Sloan Foundation funding to bring our development teams together and think about
Daniella Lowenberg: Really brainstorm togethers, and know doing Dryad, how can we bring value to non traditional research outputs.
Daniella Lowenberg: Leveraging curation that drive leveraging software citation that good as a Noto
Daniella Lowenberg: without increasing the burden for researchers, we already know it's really difficult for them to be able to choose where should I go, do I just choose alphabetically. The top from a repository list.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so what we've come up with. And what we're building towards right now is a triage where we can make sure that data and software are each data is getting curated software is getting its proper citation.
Daniella Lowenberg: And the most important part is that because we're driven by our institutional and researcher communities. We can make sure that we're putting our best practices forward and it's really an education time for researchers where we're guiding them along the way.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so one way to look at this is thinking about from the journal publishing perspective, we know that research data does not need to be related to an article, but it is the most often case that we see.
Daniella Lowenberg: So when you go to publish your article, you're asked for your code for supplementary information you're also asked by the data availability statement.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so because Dryad has relationships with so many publishers and because we are very excited, we'll be releasing an integration with editorial manager that houses about 10,000 journals.
Daniella Lowenberg: We can use this as a triage point to make sure that code supplementary information is actually going to the Noto and that data can get curated at Dryad
Daniella Lowenberg: And together we can bundle up those identifiers relate those works together and make sure that we're optimizing discovery for this book, the metadata and the files.
Daniella Lowenberg: While teaching researchers along the way about why it's important for the right license for software why it's important that data is curated, etc.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so what we're, we're really thinking about is
Daniella Lowenberg: If we want to achieve best practice instead and think about how we can see mass adoption of open data publishing open open software publishing infusing institutional values.
Daniella Lowenberg: We have to be thinking at the global scale, because that's how research works. And so part of that is making things as seamless as possible.
Daniella Lowenberg: And I put together this kind of illustration of it, but I don't want to get stuck on the idea of drive into Noto because there are so many players that we can imagine can come in here and be a part of this ecosystem.
Daniella Lowenberg: I've more put this together to kind of illustrate how we can leverage in an inner operate together to make sure that we are very much connected to researchers
Daniella Lowenberg: But very much rooted in institutions. And so making sure that institutional repositories and domain repositories are not seen as competitive to general solutions, but rather work complimentary
Daniella Lowenberg: Making sure that things that are coming into Dryad that should go to a disciplinary and home are going there and that we're not housing those for metadata reasons and others.
Daniella Lowenberg: And making sure that institutions that are connected in are able to curate the deposits, if they would like to for their institution or that we're sending copies to their IR and just kind of building this more connected ecosystem that's rooted in how we can actually reach the researcher.
Daniella Lowenberg: And so I've just run through a whole bunch of information. I wanted to do that quick. So, we can have time to ask Alex and I
Daniella Lowenberg: Any questions you may have. And I also realized, because we can't see each other's names, etc. If you have questions and want to follow up after my email address is my first name, last name at UC O p.edu but my Twitter information is here. So,
Daniella Lowenberg: Questions that you may have.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: That was great. Daniela. Thank you. Thanks so much for sharing all of that information about
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Kind of the history behind Dryad and CDs and now this new
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Partnership with so Noto really interesting. So I see we already have a question. And I just want to remind everyone please type your questions into the Q AMP a box as Sheila Raven has done and Sheila's question is, can you talk about how orchid plays into the ecosystem.
Daniella Lowenberg: Yes, I would be happy to drive this the first repository that has required an organ. So as of our relaunch and sep tember every single lead author is required to have an orchid to login
Daniella Lowenberg: We use single sign on for institutional members as a second step past organ and but we think it's really important that
Daniella Lowenberg: We have identifiers for everything standards based roar for institutions, for example, and we know that the Noto is working to include orchids for authors as well. So when we pass that information back and forth. We can use those verified orchids as well.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Great terrific question. Sheila. Thanks so much, another indication of how these pieces all sort of fit together and complement each other.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: So once again, any other questions, please type them into the Q AMP. A or feel free to type them into the chat box.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: So Sheila brought up a really interesting point about
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: About identifiers and Daniella you were also talking about other pieces that could fit into this ecosystem repositories. I just wonder if there are any plans to make, you know, are you is there. What other things can you think of that might make potential good partnerships down the road.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: If you're at liberty to talk about
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Actually, I don't know.
Daniella Lowenberg: Yeah, good question. And and
Daniella Lowenberg: I'll open it to Alex as well CS thoughts after
Daniella Lowenberg: We're trying to really focus on reuse. So I know I just spent a lot of time talking about the submission and integrating with publishers and making sure it's a seamless workflow to deposit
Daniella Lowenberg: But a really big reason why we're doing this. Like, why do we even care that we're going to parse out software from data.
Daniella Lowenberg: And it's because we want the right metadata. The right licensing. We want to make sure things are usable. So actually, a lot of partnerships that we're looking at right now are, how can we work with the various communities.
Daniella Lowenberg: Especially those in R and Python and other people electronic lab notebooks. How can we make more of these touch points where it's not just this focus on submission, but a focus on using
Daniella Lowenberg: Now let's do you have anything you want to add to that.
Alex Ioannidis: Another thing is a
Alex Ioannidis: Software really hasn't been represented hasn't been a first class citizen in the research world right so
Alex Ioannidis: It's not only the software that usually that that gets published along with with with let's say an article, but it's also, it's also for example dependencies. It's also there's a big graph of of
Alex Ioannidis: Features that's that's usually doesn't receive credit, like, and we also struggling like very much to to to feed into this graph and and to allow people to be able to cite things using the wise and the proper way. So,
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Interesting, thank you. Thanks so much. I'd like to also invite our participants. If you would like to join the conversation live if you have a comment to make. Or if you'd like to ask a question live if you raise your hand. I can unmute you and
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: You can join the conversation here live and just share with us your thoughts, your experiences or any of your questions live if that's something that you would like to do
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: I have to say I was really struck by the statistic that you shared about the uptick in usage. After you launched the
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: The system and this of course is prior to this Noto integration, but was there a lot of outreach that had to be done in order to get there was, was it already so well known that it was an automatic uptake.
Daniella Lowenberg: I think it was actually this very similar numbers to what it was before we launched and it's just that it dried was known within a lot of the research communities. What's been more interesting, I think, is that
Daniella Lowenberg: It's a lot of people associate Dryad with or sciences ecology, you know, it's a tree as logo and that's what we were rooted and we're seeing a lot more vitamin
Daniella Lowenberg: And that could be in light of the
Daniella Lowenberg: Pandemic, it could be in light of other things. But for instance UCSF has put more effort into doing outreach. We're seeing a bunch of UCSF deposits in dried really wasn't a community for them before. I don't know if there's any you see librarians on the callback could also weigh in them.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Anybody
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Interesting. Okay, that's great. Thanks.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: I just wanted to take this opportunity while we're still waiting for any other questions that might be out there.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: We have plenty of time for questions. So please, just feel free to type those in. And I also just wanted to share with all of the attendees on the call today the URL for a report that see and I put out just last night.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: What happens to the research continuity and future. I'm sorry. What happens to the continuity and future of the research enterprise. And this is a report on a series of executive roundtables that we held during
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: This spring.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Meeting.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Having to do with the crisis and our concerns about whether or not
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: And what kind of attention was being paid to the research enterprise in higher ed. So if you haven't had a chance to check out that report, please.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Click on that link and have a look and let us know what you think, and we hope it will be helpful.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Well, I'm not seeing any more questions come in right now. So Daniella Alex I really want to thank you for joining us and sharing with us a little bit about this new chapter in
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Your story and we look forward to hearing more updates about the project. I just want to let our attendees know that if you want to stick around after we turn off the
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Recording. We invite you to approach the podium and have a an author record chat with our presenters here today, just by raising your hand. So thank you all for being here. Thank you to our presenters and we hope to see you back. See, and I see. Thanks so much. Take care.
Diane Goldenberg-Hart: Bye.
