so last night we finally had the big
debate bill night versus can handle it
properly with Ken Ham
he runs at the museum that has Kaden
writing and dinosaurs and things like
that that purports to explain how
creation explains the world and so are
they gathered there in his home base and
they had their debate
now I we're talking about some other
substance to the debate once we get into
and as our
but I I was a little bit disturbed by
what I saw
and thinking about it more after the
debate I really question whether or not
it was a good idea for Bill Nye to
engage in that
and the reason I that was recrystallized
actually today
so there's a a journalist but Matt's no
para
is for BuzzFeed he was there at the
debate and he talked to some of the
people who are very firm creation
believers and he had them right
appease the paper little messages to
those who believe in evolution
it to pictures of them as a ref show you
a few of them and reading these messages
I don't care about the individual people
this is not about them but not really
about the individual messages
but this is the frame of mind the bill
now I was going on stage to try to
change
it just feels like such an impossible
task and you'll see why when you look at
these images
I believe in the Big Bang Theory gobs
editing
bang it happened while very
enthusiastically posing smiling
well she seems like she really thought
it out I have that so that's a great
argument congratulations
I love like this and more if evolution
is a theory like creationism
or the Bible he added that after dipping
why then is evolution it hot
as the fact now this is a great one to
stop for a second on because
we understand you understand your smart
person you're watching a show
that they are simply playing with dule
definitions of the word
theory the scientific definition what a
theory is the popular definition a
theory which is
much more came to a hypothesis or
sometimes just
an idea hmm he must have heard that
idea be refuted in the past it he's
there
at the actual debate implying but he has
on some level
song intellectual curiosity about this
issue
and get he must've heard it many times
in the past he still is presenting it
as like checkmate gotcha Bill Nye yeah I
think my biggest issue with
these letters is that it does show a
lack of intellectual curiosity and I
don't know if it's because
the theory about pollution sounds too
complicated for people to actually
learn about and and takin or if it's
because they believe in their religion
so much that they are threatened by the
science that disproves what they believe
in right
he already because the reality is if if
you are a creationist you believe in a
literal interpretation of the Bible
accepting something like evolution would
indicate that you can no longer
dictate or or believe in the morality
that dictated by religious doctrine
right which I just disagree with
many %uh the Christians who don't
believe in creation I do believe in
evolution
a bill by repeatedly brought those up
during the debate that would seem to
imply that you can retain the
philosophical and moral or ethical
underpinnings to Christianity
without leaving a little truth out the
the word
exactly and and then going back to the
Big Bang Theory
you know i watch the entire debate I
watched it as soon as I woke up this
morning because I couldn't wait to see
you know whether or not this creation is
had
any type up good argument again someone
like Bill Nye right
i mean they're not even on a level
playing field so I but the debate was
ridiculous to begin with right don't
give any credibility to these nutjobs
but anyway up but can have made the
argument that
you know the Big Bang Theory is very
similar to what he believes in the sense
that there's no evidence behind it he
did say so in so many words but he
basically said
I believe in the word of God you believe
in this this
idea that boom there was a big bang in
all the sudden they're all these
galaxies and and yada yada
but the reality is I mean if he had done
some research I'm sure he has he has to
know about this
I mean the big bang theory isn't based
on nothing
it's based on the fact that galaxies are
receding from the earth
it's based on the Doppler shift it's
based on up hubbell's observations and
and Bill Nye did a great job in talking
about that
and it's just ridiculous to me that you
have a real scientist here debating
using real facts and you have someone
disagreeing on what the facts are
you can't have a debate there or or who
refuse to believe the facts are possible
in this thread
Nokia more the pictures because science
by definition is a
phiri not testable observable nor
repeatable why do you object to
creationism or intelligent design being
taught in schools so this one
depressed may perhaps more than any
other because science is
I think by definition the idea abusing
tests using observations repeating those
tests
that's what science is that the
scientific method is yeah and here's a
woman
again is not about the woman but this is
a is %uh population of which she is
represented
who went there ostensibly because they
believe there's a conversation to be had
between religion and science
who fundamentally did not understand the
first thing about science
and whatnot at the end of the day I
really even her fall it to the community
she is a part of who did not want her to
know about side
to be curious about science and Italy at
the very least they brought Bill Nye in
maybe they're starting to
to yield some ground in that area but
that's that's a scary sight to see drug
grown woman in American 2014
so from watching that interview one
thing that I definitely did notice is
that Ken Ham has a political agenda and
his political agenda is very very clear
okay Bill Nye never mention the issue of
gay marriage he never issue he never
mention the issue of abortion
but can handed in his opening statement
he's concerned with morality he's
concerned with the morality that is
pushed upon us
by his particular religion so %uh
you know he would make arguments
that were not scientific n I don't like
the fact that because in the format of
that debate
he can make claims and the only person
there too
do rebuttal is Bill Nye right the
moderator doesn't jump in and say that's
not true
so people who are ready have a bias in
favor of creationism
are just going to take everything he
says as truth and its back
and there's no one there other than Bill
Nye to say no that's not actually true
but definitely problematic and going
back to the whole thing about
creationism in schools
he kept repeating over and over again
that he found it to be problematic
that we teach evolution but not
creationism right well
to burst the ball that's not problematic
that's the way it should be
because evolution is based on fact it's
based on scientific evidence creationism
is based on your Bible
and also there are many states including
Texas Louisiana and Tennessee
that have public schools that are
currently teaching creationism
that kid or should be completely against
the law if we come from monkeys than
wire they're still monkeys is another
one
that he must have seen that be refuted
to explain to
thousand times but I love the response
from the
BuzzFeed I reporter I if you came for
your parents
why do you still apparent that's awesome
anyway if I don't understand I know that
he didn't go there
to convince the monkey I yeah or the
sunset girl or any of those I understand
that on some level
but I worry that the the narrow like the
middle
that they're fighting for like I feel
like those people are a combination of
so apathetic
and help you out there could there be
left in Monday my wrong like
I'm do you think it was worthwhile
no now maybe I'm gonna be completely
honest %uh look I'm in favor of having
debates having an open dialogue on
issues that may be controversial
but this reminds me a lot love the
climate change debate right
where the media will treat naysayers
on a level playing field as those cool
do the real science climate scientists
right and that gives credibility to
those who denied the climate change is
caused by human activity
yes I don't like that I don't want to
give them credibility
I don't want to pretend as though they
have a sound argument to make
so in a format does that and and the
format doesnt do that i mean
in the thing is there's no debate to be
had if one side
refuses to believe the fax at the very
end the debate you know can have without
you know
would you change your mind what would it
take for you to change your mind about
evolution and he basically said nothing
you know the word of God is superior and
that's all that matters I'm paraphrasing
I don't know exactly what I
not that much but but that just shows
you he is willing to reject
fact and I think that his strongest
believers
are similar where they will reject back
so what is the point of having is
ridiculous debate all it does is it
legitimizes
a point of view there should be a
legitimate well it does one more thing
that you just revealed right there it
reveals that they do not have
the fundamentally they don't have the
same mission they're not both looking
for the truth they're not both looking
for an explanation
he's buying with an explanation Ken Ham
is so long as it's his explanation
Bill Nye is willing to revise is
probably eager to revise
his ideas based on new information
became him doesn't care about the
information he cares about his belief in
God
are you scared to the Divine Creator to
include this one and others another one
about what purpose do you buy in the
world because
I think they were really they weren't
arguing the same point as I've said
I can him frequently was not arguing
that he believes that
the creation explains the world he was
arguing that we have to believe it is
because if we do not
then you won't you won't I accept our
moral and ethical argument yes
and it seems like many of the people the
BuzzFeed photographed
they're not saying I don't believe in
evolution they seem to be scared
what would it mean to be an atheist what
would my life be like
what does that mean what the Suns yeah
if I'm an atheist
so I think that Bill Nye handled this
entire debate in the classiest possible
way
and kid how was very aggressive against
him if you ask me
but Bill Nye was very respectful and not
just above Ken Ham
but also love people of faith right not
just creation is for people who believe
in any particular religion
and the reason why I like that is
because he did make a point about how
for a lot of people
religion is comfort right its it's the
idea that
one day when you're gone you're gonna
end up somewhere else in your life
isn't completely over and that is
something that helps console people it
makes people feel better about the fact
you know that they're gonna lose people
in their lives
%uh so I just I don't have anything
against
religious people I have something
against people who use religious
doctrine to dictate the lives of others
or people who just outright refuse
science
refuse to believe in science or they
want to get rid of signs are public
school system and replace it with
something that isn't scientifically
sound
the work we're not against religious
people were against ignorant people yet
and they don't have to be religious
there's nothing I hate more than talking
to a person who agrees fundamentally
with everything I believe but but but
based on us to better version other
that is a frustrating endeavor deaf and
I know there's one other there's one
other quick area this
I not everybody I'm things that they can
and did a great job some people even on
his side
are mad with the way that he presented
their philosophy
so we go to our old pal pat robertson
and hear his problem with denim
it was a bishop in them middle
ages their home a 1807
a who I ended up the dates listed
in Genesis and he came up with the world
manner after six thousand years
the ain't no way that's possible
and we have skeletons and dinosaurs it
go back to but
our one point 65 million years
and to say that it all came about and
six those New Year's is just nonsense
and I think the timely
become offer that stuff and say this is
impossible
and that we we have found a the
terrorists Rs Rex out there in the
it with are going to some place amid a
full skeleton
and that baby was laid down was 65
million years ago so I mean
less less being relentless not be this
might like to joke about ourselves
yet let's be real let's be as real as
the pterosaurs racks
but anyway he its it's the first week of
the month right that's the week where he
is reasonable
next week he goes crazy in fact waiting
when there's something but and this is
another example %uh like I have to re
asked the question
does anybody still believe that pat
robertson is religious
he seemed to reject all the fundamental
principle yeah he believes in the
structure behind the religion
but if the strike me as particularly
well even the money that he gets from
preaching the religion but every
every once in a while like Hill I me
when he talks about infidelity in
marriage is and why
husbands hero get yeah it is just like
you know well
light needs to take better care of words
lol
K oh you know my wife is kinda acting up
which should I do
yeah feder like love look like they're
all like it was ridiculous point
yeah %uh but in this particular case
he's absolutely right
you know I think that %uh the the
right-wing
loses as soon as they start talking
about how
the plan is only six thousand years old
when they start rejecting
you know fossil evidence indicating that
evolution does exist that the planet is
a certain
age I'm so I like that he put out that
video and
look there are reasonable questions out
there they do not believe we waited for
him
yeah exactly that totally reject
creationism but do believe in science
and those are the people that should be
applauded but fundamentalist should not
be applauded and I like that someone
like pat robertson is rejecting the
notion that creationism is legitimate or
credible
have now understand that the a big
organization
young earth creationists and a happy
with pat robertson is not the first time
he said that he doesn't believe in all
six thousand year older
thing so they're not happy with them and
so I like this as yet another step
I love you have in the Bible you have
the bill topical stuff and then you the
stuff that purports to be fact
historical factor whatever
and you overtime you strip more and more
at that a science reveals more of our
history
at history before their humans you get
rid of that stuff in the more you get
rid of it the more the Bible will become
basically just another philosophy book
and I think that's perfectly fine at
that point what's believe that has no
divine inspiration to compare it
a contrast with other philosophical
texts I think that for the most part
it's going to lose out when you do that
except for some with that jesus said
that you can find many other
philosophies but I think that we will be
better off when we get to that point
stop pretending that has any kind of
divine origin whatsoever
