THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ON VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN HEAD TO HEAD ON
PRESIDENT BIDEN HEAD TO HEAD ON SUNDAY.
SUNDAY. KATY
KATY KATY?
KATY? >> SHAQ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> SHAQ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AS WE SAID, BERNIE SANDERS
AND AS WE SAID, BERNIE SANDERS HAS A TOUGH ROAD AHEAD EASE
HAS A TOUGH ROAD AHEAD EASE TRIES TO CATCH UP TO JOE BIDEN
TRIES TO CATCH UP TO JOE BIDEN WITH PLEDGED DELEGATES.
WITH PLEDGED DELEGATES. STEVE KORNACKI’S AT THE BIG
STEVE KORNACKI’S AT THE BIG BOARD WITH A LOOK AT THE PATH
BOARD WITH A LOOK AT THE PATH AND THE MATH.
AND THE MATH. SO STEVE, WHAT IS IT?
SO STEVE, WHAT IS IT? >> TAKE A LOOK HERE.
>> TAKE A LOOK HERE. IF YOU’RE SANDERS, THE NUMBERS
IF YOU’RE SANDERS, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT VERY FRIENDLY HERE.
ARE NOT VERY FRIENDLY HERE. THE RUNNING DELEGATE TALLY.
THE RUNNING DELEGATE TALLY. THIS IS A GAP OF 147 DELEGATES.
THIS IS A GAP OF 147 DELEGATES. BIDEN LEADS SANDERS BY 147
BIDEN LEADS SANDERS BY 147 DELEGATES AT THIS POINT.
DELEGATES AT THIS POINT. THERE’S STILL A FEW DOZEN TO
THERE’S STILL A FEW DOZEN TO COUNT UP FROM LAST NIGHT.
COUNT UP FROM LAST NIGHT. WASHINGTON, MICHIGAN, MISSOURI,
WASHINGTON, MICHIGAN, MISSOURI, MISSISSIPPI.
MISSISSIPPI. A FEW MORE ARE GOING TO COME IN
A FEW MORE ARE GOING TO COME IN FROM CALIFORNIA AS WELL.
FROM CALIFORNIA AS WELL. BUT REALLY WE EXPECT WHEN ALL IS
BUT REALLY WE EXPECT WHEN ALL IS TALLIED IT’S GOING TO LOOK
TALLIED IT’S GOING TO LOOK PRETTY MUCH LIKE THIS.
PRETTY MUCH LIKE THIS. THIS BIDEN NUMBER MIGHT GROW A
THIS BIDEN NUMBER MIGHT GROW A LITTLE BIT, MIGHT GET UP TO 150,
LITTLE BIT, MIGHT GET UP TO 150, MIGHT GET UP TO 160.
MIGHT GET UP TO 160. BUT THAT’S ROUGHLY WHAT SANDERS
BUT THAT’S ROUGHLY WHAT SANDERS IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHEN
IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHEN EVERYTHING IS COUNTED UP.
EVERYTHING IS COUNTED UP. THE PROBLEM FOR BERNIE SANDERS
THE PROBLEM FOR BERNIE SANDERS IS THAT’S A LOT TO OVERCOME IN
IS THAT’S A LOT TO OVERCOME IN GENERAL AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS
GENERAL AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS IS WHAT HE’S LOOKING AT NEXT
IS WHAT HE’S LOOKING AT NEXT WEEK.
WEEK. THESE FOUR STATES ARE COMING UP.
THESE FOUR STATES ARE COMING UP. FLORIDA, OHIO, ILLINOIS, AND
FLORIDA, OHIO, ILLINOIS, AND ARIZONA.
ARIZONA. THESE ARE ALL BIG STATES.
THESE ARE ALL BIG STATES. THESE ARE ALL BIG DELEGATE
THESE ARE ALL BIG DELEGATE STATES.
STATES. TAKE A LOOK INSIDE SOME OF THESE
TAKE A LOOK INSIDE SOME OF THESE STATES.
STATES. LOOK AT FLORIDA.
LOOK AT FLORIDA. THIS WAS A DISASTER FOR BERNIE
THIS WAS A DISASTER FOR BERNIE SANDERS IN 2016.
SANDERS IN 2016. HE LOST FLORIDA TO HILLARY
HE LOST FLORIDA TO HILLARY CLINTON BY 31 POINTS.
CLINTON BY 31 POINTS. THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE POLLS
THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE POLLS OUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS
OUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS SHOWING SANDERS TRAILING BY THIS
SHOWING SANDERS TRAILING BY THIS MUCH AGAINST JOE BIDEN.
MUCH AGAINST JOE BIDEN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF FLORIDA, WHO HAS BERNIE
OF FLORIDA, WHO HAS BERNIE SANDERS STRUGGLED WITH FOR FOUR
SANDERS STRUGGLED WITH FOR FOUR YEARS CONSISTENTLY?
YEARS CONSISTENTLY? OLDER VOTERS.
OLDER VOTERS. THAT’S A HUGE PROBLEM FOR HIM IN
THAT’S A HUGE PROBLEM FOR HIM IN FLORIDA.
FLORIDA. ALL SORTS OF DEMOGRAPHIC LAND
ALL SORTS OF DEMOGRAPHIC LAND MINES FOR HIM IN FLORIDA.
MINES FOR HIM IN FLORIDA. IF YOU LOOK AT OHIO, OHIO WAS
IF YOU LOOK AT OHIO, OHIO WAS ALREADY A PROBLEM AREA FOR
ALREADY A PROBLEM AREA FOR BERNIE SANDERS IN 2016.
BERNIE SANDERS IN 2016. HE LOST THAT STATE BY 14 POINTS
HE LOST THAT STATE BY 14 POINTS TO HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016.
TO HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016. IF YOU START LOOKING AT ALL THE
IF YOU START LOOKING AT ALL THE GROUND THAT BIDEN KIND OF
GROUND THAT BIDEN KIND OF IMPROVED ON OVER CLINTON IN
IMPROVED ON OVER CLINTON IN MICHIGAN LAST NIGHT AND YOU
MICHIGAN LAST NIGHT AND YOU START TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE
START TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE PLACES IN OHIO WHERE THAT MIGHT
PLACES IN OHIO WHERE THAT MIGHT APPLY, YOU SEE AN OPPORTUNITY
APPLY, YOU SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BIDEN TO DO EVEN BETTER THAN
FOR BIDEN TO DO EVEN BETTER THAN CLINTON DID.
CLINTON DID. YOU LOOK AT IN ARIZONA THE
YOU LOOK AT IN ARIZONA THE MARGIN THERE WAS DOUBLE DIGITS
MARGIN THERE WAS DOUBLE DIGITS IN 2016.
IN 2016. SANDERS GOT, YOU CAN SEE HERE,
SANDERS GOT, YOU CAN SEE HERE, 40% OF THE VOTE IN ARIZONA.
40% OF THE VOTE IN ARIZONA. HE LOST BY 20 POINTS IN 2016.
HE LOST BY 20 POINTS IN 2016. SO THESE STATES RIGHT HERE, IF
SO THESE STATES RIGHT HERE, IF HE’S DOWN BY 150 OR 160
HE’S DOWN BY 150 OR 160 DELEGATES GOING INTO NEXT WEEK
DELEGATES GOING INTO NEXT WEEK AND HE SUFFERS A LANDSLIDE LOSS
AND HE SUFFERS A LANDSLIDE LOSS IN FLORIDA, A DOUBLE-DIGIT LOSS
IN FLORIDA, A DOUBLE-DIGIT LOSS IN OHIO.
IN OHIO. ILLINOIS WAS CLOSE IN 2016.
ILLINOIS WAS CLOSE IN 2016. BUT AGAIN, IF HE SLIPS LIKE HE
BUT AGAIN, IF HE SLIPS LIKE HE DID IN MICHIGAN, HE COULD LOSE A
DID IN MICHIGAN, HE COULD LOSE A BUNCH OF DELEGATES THERE.
BUNCH OF DELEGATES THERE. HE COULD LOSE ALL FOUR STATES
HE COULD LOSE ALL FOUR STATES AND HE COULD FALL 300, 350
AND HE COULD FALL 300, 350 DELEGATES BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE
DELEGATES BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE DELEGATE RACE.
THAT IN THE DELEGATE RACE. AND THE PROBLEM THERE, KATY, IS
AND THE PROBLEM THERE, KATY, IS TO MAKE THAT UP YOU DON’T JUST
TO MAKE THAT UP YOU DON’T JUST HAVE TO WIN STATES, YOU HAVE TO
HAVE TO WIN STATES, YOU HAVE TO WIN BIG STATES.
WIN BIG STATES. AND YOU DON’T JUST HAVE TO WIN
AND YOU DON’T JUST HAVE TO WIN BIG STATES, YOU HAVE TO WIN BIG
BIG STATES, YOU HAVE TO WIN BIG STATES BY LANDSLIDES.
STATES BY LANDSLIDES. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE SEEING JOE
THAT’S WHAT WE’RE SEEING JOE BIDEN DO.
BIDEN DO. HE’S GETTING LANDSLIDES IN A
HE’S GETTING LANDSLIDES IN A BUNCH OF GOOD SIZE STATES HERE.
BUNCH OF GOOD SIZE STATES HERE. MICHIGAN I THINK COUNTS AS A
MICHIGAN I THINK COUNTS AS A LANDSLIDE FOR HIM LAST NIGHT.
LANDSLIDE FOR HIM LAST NIGHT. 17-POINT MARGIN.
17-POINT MARGIN. THAT’S HOW BIDEN’S BEEN ABLE TO
THAT’S HOW BIDEN’S BEEN ABLE TO BUILD HIS DELEGATE LEAD.
BUILD HIS DELEGATE LEAD. THE ONLY WAY SANDERS CAN ERASE
THE ONLY WAY SANDERS CAN ERASE IT IS WINS BY HUGE MARGINS IN
IT IS WINS BY HUGE MARGINS IN BIG STATES.
BIG STATES. AND YOU JUST HAVEN’T SEEN HIM
AND YOU JUST HAVEN’T SEEN HIM RIGHT NOW BE ABLE TO DO THAT
RIGHT NOW BE ABLE TO DO THAT REALLY ANYWHERE.
REALLY ANYWHERE. >> STEVE, IF HE WINS DECISIVELY
>> STEVE, IF HE WINS DECISIVELY IN NEW YORK OR NEW YORK AND
IN NEW YORK OR NEW YORK AND OREGON OR IF HE GAINS A TON MORE
OREGON OR IF HE GAINS A TON MORE DELEGATES THAN EXPECTED IN
DELEGATES THAN EXPECTED IN CALIFORNIA, IS THERE A WAY FOR
CALIFORNIA, IS THERE A WAY FOR HIM TO MAKE THAT UP?
HIM TO MAKE THAT UP? >> YEAH, THE PROBLEM IS YOU
>> YEAH, THE PROBLEM IS YOU MENTIONED CALIFORNIA.
MENTIONED CALIFORNIA. THIS WAS THE BIG HOPE FOR THE
THIS WAS THE BIG HOPE FOR THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN.
SANDERS CAMPAIGN. WE HAVEN’T ACTUALLY CALLED THE
WE HAVEN’T ACTUALLY CALLED THE STATE.
STATE. YOU SEE IT TAKES THEM WEEKS,
YOU SEE IT TAKES THEM WEEKS, LITERALLY WEEKS TO GET ALL THE
LITERALLY WEEKS TO GET ALL THE VOTES TALLIED.
VOTES TALLIED. BUT BY THE WAY, IT’S A
BUT BY THE WAY, IT’S A SEVEN-POINT MARGIN RIGHT NOW.
SEVEN-POINT MARGIN RIGHT NOW. SANDERS 34, BIDEN 27.
SANDERS 34, BIDEN 27. WHAT YOU’RE SEEING IS THAT VOTE
WHAT YOU’RE SEEING IS THAT VOTE THAT WAS CAST ON PRIMARY DAY,
THAT WAS CAST ON PRIMARY DAY, MARCH 3rd IN CALIFORNIA.
MARCH 3rd IN CALIFORNIA. BIDEN’S GETTING A BIG ADVANTAGE
BIDEN’S GETTING A BIG ADVANTAGE OUT OF THAT.
OUT OF THAT. HE’S BEEN CLOSING THIS GAP WITH
HE’S BEEN CLOSING THIS GAP WITH SANDERS.
SANDERS. IT’S ACTUALLY INSIDE OF SEVEN
IT’S ACTUALLY INSIDE OF SEVEN POINTS IF YOU LOOK AT DECIMAL
POINTS IF YOU LOOK AT DECIMAL PLACES.
PLACES. THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN AT ONE
THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN AT ONE POINT WAS HOPING TO WIN
POINT WAS HOPING TO WIN CALIFORNIA BY 20 POINTS.
CALIFORNIA BY 20 POINTS. THEY WERE HOPING TO KEEP BIDEN
THEY WERE HOPING TO KEEP BIDEN UNDER 15%, DENY HIM DELEGATES.
UNDER 15%, DENY HIM DELEGATES. INSTEAD WHEN YOU ALLOCATE
