

Frequently Asked Questions:

Christian Religion

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Jesus (AJ Miller)

Session 2

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This ebook is a collection of answers by Jesus (AJ Miller) on the topic of the Christian Religion. The answers were given in an interview with Claire Heibloem, who posed frequently asked questions from members of the media and public, on 18th March 2013 in Wilkesdale, Queensland, Australia. In this session Jesus answers some of the many questions asked about the Christian Religious faith, including; how heartfelt beliefs can be overcome, what daily practices Jesus recommends for Christians, the truth about what saves, and further information about how Christians generally feel when they pass.

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Table of Contents

1. How can heart-felt false beliefs and false doctrines be overcome?

2. What daily practices could a sincere Christian follow?

3. What do you remember when baptised in the Jordan River?

4. Is sacrament & ritual the way to access our deep yearnings for God?

5. How can a Christian cope seeing their true soul condition after death?

6. How can we learn to trust and feel God as a real experience?

7. Does God delegate inspiration to Celestial angels and other souls?

8. Does God connect directly to us through the Holy Spirit?

9. Does believing Jesus IS God make it harder to come to God?

10. How are your parents, Mary and Joseph helping people find God?

Appendix: FAQ Outline

1. How can heart-felt false beliefs and false doctrines be overcome?

Yes, with a lot of difficulty, Clare. The problem with a heart-felt belief is that it's usually supported by a foundation of emotions that are all based around unloving belief systems and lies, generally. I'm not saying that all heart-felt beliefs are like that, I'm just saying the ones we need to give up are like that.

The problem with heart-felt beliefs, because they have all this emotion behind them, is that it is very, very hard for a person to actually give them up, and there are really only a few things that can set us free from heart-felt beliefs that we feel are true inside of our heart but are actually not a part of God's Truth. This involves two primary aspects of our development towards God.

The two primary aspects are humility and truth, a love of truth. Now, if we are truly humble we are willing to experience every emotion we have without acting upon the emotion that we feel. What I mean by that is that we need to start contemplating this fact about humility: that while we have emotional resistance inside of our heart to something being presented to us, it is telling us a truth that we are not as certain about our belief systems as we believe ourselves to be.

For example, if you told me, "AJ, you're definitely not Jesus; I know you're not Jesus," I'd say, "No worries, Clare. You're able to have your own opinion." I wouldn't feel angry with you; I wouldn't feel upset with you; I wouldn't feel like attacking your character; I wouldn't feel like attacking your nature; I wouldn't feel like attacking your personality, your clothing or any other thing about you. If I did feel any of those emotions it would mean that perhaps inside of myself there is also an uncertainty of my own acceptance of myself.

It is my own uncertainty and my desire to suppress it that would cause me to react negatively to your accusation, whether it's delivered in love or unkindly. This is something we need to understand, that whenever we revert to sort-of like a defence of our belief systems, revert to anger and other types of emotions as a defence, and revert to attack of the individual themselves who is questioning us, we are actually demonstrating that our belief systems are not as firmly in our soul as we would like them to be; perhaps they're not as heart-felt as we would really like them to be.

What I find a lot of people doing with regard to their belief systems is that they feel the confrontation of the truth with their belief system. So the truth is stating one thing; at this point in time they don't even believe it's the truth, it's just an idea, a knowledge, that is different to the knowledge they have. When there is this confrontation between this and the knowledge that a person has, the actions of truth will determine which one of these things is true.

Now let me talk about the actions of truth. The actions of truth are that it would never give itself up for the sake of a compromise with another. In other words, if you tell me that I am not Jesus and I know for certain that I am, I will not give up my feelings of certainty for your belief. However, I will also not attack your beliefs; I will accept that you are allowed to have your belief that I am not Jesus.

I would do that automatically if I was in a condition of love, and if my belief had any certainty I would also do that. If I start attacking you for your concept then that would demonstrate that I am trying to defend something, and if I'm trying to defend something rather than just expose something, now I'm in a condition where I am probably in error. If we understood this when we're in discussion about any theological subject, we would start to feel the defensiveness rise within ourselves and realise that in that moment we are not being humble, because humility would allow us to listen to the discussion, particularly if the other person is delivering it in a kind manner; you would listen to the discussion. If they aren't kind, then you would say, "Hey, you're not being kind and I don't have to put up with this," and perhaps leave. But if they are being kind, they are just raising a subject with you and they aren't being condescending or ridiculing in the process, then there is no need to talk to them about their emotion about it; there's just a need for us to experience our own emotion. If we're feeling attacked, even though the person's being kind, then obviously there's a deeper emotion within us that is demonstrating some kind of untruth or some kind of thing where we're not being loving.

This is the first quality. The first quality we need is humility, the ability to absorb another person's different opinion without reacting in anger and resentment towards the person, the ability to listen without immediately denying something. Now, I notice that this is a difficulty for many people who have a book to believe in. So, when I've talked to Muslim people and we start talking about different things that the Quran says, it's very often the same response to when I start talking to Christians about what the Bible says, because they want to believe that the Bible is God's Word, or in the case of the Muslim, he wants to believe that the Quran is God's Word. Whenever I state, "Well, I can't see how it's God's Word because it says (this) or because it says (that) and I can't agree with that concept of God," they then feel attacked by that particular disagreement, if you like, of opinions.

Now if a person is truly humble, even if they feel attacked, they won't attack in return. They won't verbally abuse the person. They might withdraw from the situation but they wouldn't verbally abuse the person or attack. They would at least be open to logical reasoning, not reasoning based upon character assassination or pulling down someone's character or nature, but reasoning based on the subject that's being discussed in terms of what must be true and what can't be true in terms of a logical argument. They'd be open to that if they were humble, so I feel the very first thing in this part of the question that you've asked is that we need to learn humility. We need to know what it means to be humble.

The second thing we have to do is to have a deep desire for truth. We need to place truth as more important than our own emotion. In other words, let's say my emotion in you saying that I'm not Jesus, is, "Oh, another person who doesn't believe," that might be my emotion. I would still place the truth above that emotion. In other words, I would enjoy the fact that you have expressed the truth of your own opinion and I would honour the fact that you've expressed the truth of your own opinion even if I don't agree with it.

I would honour truth in the person that's speaking with me and I would honour truth as an absolute, both of those things. Both of those things would be something I would do. I will honour the truth as an absolute as well as a truth of the opinion being expressed. So I enjoy it when people honestly express their opinion even if I can't agree with their opinion. You can then engage the person with their heart.

Now if a person does both of those two things, if they honour the truth with all of their own heart and they honour what potentially could be God's Truth with all of their own heart, and they are humble, then it is easier to give up heart-felt beliefs that logic demonstrates must be incorrect. But if a person is not humble and does not honour the truth with all their heart then it will be very, very difficult to give up beliefs that a person believes is correct.

The reason why we find it difficult to give up beliefs is that they have emotional signatures attached to the belief. If I can give an example of that: let's say I've grown up with the belief that when my mum or dad smacked me, according to the Bible they're loving me. So I've grown up with this belief that God punishes those whom He loves, or God corrects those whom He loves through punishment. I've also grown up with the belief that my parent loves me even when they're being violent towards me; that's the belief I've grown up with.

Now that emotional signature that exists inside of me then makes it easier for me to believe in a God of wrath, a God who will act violently towards the wicked as well as love me. If I did not have that emotional signature then I would find that belief very difficult to stomach and this is where we need to come to understand that actually our heart-felt beliefs may be false, and they may be false because we've grown up in an environment that is out of harmony with love and we've accepted that environment as loving. We've accepted something inside of ourselves emotionally as loving that is not. As a result of that we become emotionally attached to belief systems that support our unloving nature, and if we are wise we will recognise that, so in any discussion we'd go, "Okay, there are a few possibilities here. There's a possibility that Clare's right; there's a possibility that I'm right; and there's a possibility also that the reason why I'm wrong is that I've got all these emotions inside of me that tell me that I'm right and I don't want to give them up." The only way I'm going to do that is by being humble.

So I feel, in answer to your question, the primary thing is humility. Another thing is really having this honour of the truth; but the third thing is having this underlying understanding that all of my life I've been absorbing belief systems, some of which may be wrong, but which I believe to be true because I've grown up in an environment that has taught me that unloving is loving, and that's the reason why I have them. If I'm open and humble to those concepts then I will find it relatively easy, although not necessarily emotionally easy, but relatively easy to engage a logical discussion where something can be exposed as false. If I don't engage those concepts then I'll always resist what is coming at me whether it is true or false. As soon as it disagrees with my own opinion I'll automatically dismiss it.

That's what I would recommend most Christians do. Develop those qualities of humility, this strong love of truth, not focusing on whether the Bible is true but focusing on whether the logic is in the argument that the person is presenting, or not. If the logic isn't in the argument then of course don't accept it as truth, or if the logic may be flawed then say, "Okay, we need to consider this further, discuss it more; we need to be open to further discussion on this matter." But when you see quite clearly that the logic is flawed, not based on the Bible or some Bible verse but based on the principles of love, truth and humility, then you will more easily be able to determine what is true and what is not.

**Clare:** I'm thinking especially for the person who passes, the spirit who passes, and then they're faced ... they must make a step then, and this is to me where love, and desire for truth is going to be so important for them.

So important, but also humility. These principles that I've mentioned are so important for your entire future existence. Imagine, let's say as a Christian you have this belief while you're on earth that as soon as you pass, because you've been a believer in Jesus' blood and sacrifice, you'll be up with Jesus at the right hand of God; you'll be in a place of paradisiacal conditions, happiness and beautiful bliss, and that you might even share with the rulership of Jesus over other people. Let's say that's the underlying viewpoint that you had.

And then you pass. Instead of passing to that place, you pass into a place where it's quite dark and dingy, a bit smelly, you've got a lot of other people around you with exactly the same beliefs; they all believe the same thing. They all still believe the Bible and everything else but the very thing you were promised, or that you believed you were promised, didn't come true. At that moment you've come face-to-face with reality but you might not yet accept it as truth. You might just imagine that you're in some temporary place. You might also create other beliefs like, "Oh, maybe I didn't do everything right and I need to learn what I didn't do right according to the Bible," and so you might study the Bible even further to find out what you didn't do right.

There are lots of different things that you may decide in your mind as a way or a method to avoid the circumstance and situation that you're presented with as soon as you've passed. What I'm suggesting to any person who passes, whether they be Christian or Muslim or any other religion, is that this situation or circumstance that you now find yourself in is a complete mirror and reflection of your true soul condition. Once you understand that and you're humble to that concept you'll realise that maybe many of the beliefs that you had didn't matter so much as the love that you shared. This is an underlying truth of course, and this will help you be humble to the fact that, "Oh, I've made some mistakes."

Now the only real mistakes you can make are not mistakes of doctrine. In other words, you can believe in this doctrine or that doctrine or this doctrine or that doctrine and not really make a mistake. They might all be wrong but still you haven't made a mistake. The real mistake that you make is based around love, whether you practiced love or didn't. That's the mistake. If we understood that a mistake is not a mistake of doctrine but a mistake of love or, if we put it more clearly, when we have been unloving we made a mistake. When we have been unloving we have missed the mark of perfection and therefore sinned. If we understood all sin to be the result of our unloving behaviour and not the result of a doctrine we would find it much easier to give up a doctrine that might be untruthful or unloving.

**Clare:** So would there be a period of time, whether you're in the spirit world or here, where you go through a period of limbo almost?

Almost, yes.

**Clare:** Almost, because you're beginning to close down certain beliefs and think, "Well, what do I believe?" Is that when you start putting in the quest for truth, asking the truth for them?

Yes. See, before then you have really just read a book and believed everything and that hasn't required very much analysis of your own part. It has just required a faith that the book is true; that's all that's required, and when the book is exposed as not being completely truthful you go, "Oh, well what do I believe then?" Well now you are going to be involved in a quest for Truth. The real quest of the heart, which is this quest for Truth between you and God, that's the thing to engage.

Now once we engage this quest for truth between ourselves and God and we stop going, "Oh, I've got to rely on that book; I've got to look at this book; oh, I'll listen to this person or that teacher," and we start focusing on just this desire to know what the truth is, we'll also start seeing, and also developing, a desire to be loving because we will start to see love as the truth. Anything that's loving tells me the truth.

Once we start doing that we start going, "Okay, I am in my current location of doubt on earth or in the spirit world because I've never had to engage this quest for truth and actually personally resolve to my own satisfaction the questions that I'm now asking myself." Now, during that period you're going to go through a bit of confusion. You're going to go, "Well, what is the truth then? Maybe Muslims are right; maybe Christians are right; maybe the Hindus are right; maybe there's a mixture of all of that that's right; maybe all of them are wrong too. What is it? How do I discover the truth?"

If you engage your relationship with God you will now engage this connection with God, not trusting any book and not necessarily trusting any man, woman or any other person on the planet to tell you the truth, but you'll have to engage this process of reasoning and opening your heart to love in order to discover the truth, and that would be very much more beneficial to every person on the planet than following a book of any kind.

So whether we're on earth or in the spirit world, if you've had a former very certain belief and then you realise that that so-called certain belief wasn't as certain as you believe because facts are different now, they've been demonstrated differently to you now, then what you would do is you'd go, "Okay, instead of trying to desperately hold onto this former belief, or just go to another one that's also flawed, I would be better off engaging this really positive manner or way of discovering the truth with God and understanding that love, humility and truth are all hand-in-hand in this discovery process."

If I was humble to that process I wouldn't be so freaked out or worried about engaging it, but when I'm not humble to the process that's when I want to hold on for dear life to a belief that is obviously false or that is obviously causing pain. This is the destructive thing of having a Bible or a Quran or another book that we hold onto for dear life, even though there are so many different interpretations of it, even though there are so many teachings in it that appear to be unloving in their nature. We still hold on, hold on, hold on because we don't want to let go, because if we let go then we're left with this process that we don't want to engage, which is this process of going through the discovery of truth for ourselves. The majority of people on the planet would love to be told the truth so they don't have to go through the discovery of it, and that's what I feel the primary issue is for many.

**Clare:** The actual discovery of the truth is actually what really holds the relationship between you and God together really, really strongly.

Exactly.

**Clare:** That would feed your faith so that you'd step forward knowing, not sort of hoping but knowing that God is always there.

Exactly, and as we discussed in our last discussion, we basically have three baskets before us: there's the 'too hard, I don't know' basket - let's call it 'the yet to be resolved' basket; then there's 'I know for certain that this is a loving doctrine or teaching and therefore it's the truth'; and then 'I know for certain that this is an unloving doctrine or teaching and therefore it is a lie.' There are those three baskets before us.

Now, during this phase, this intermediary phase, almost everything we come up against might be in the 'I don't know' basket. It would be a humble place for us to go, "Yes, I don't know," but it's not a humble place for us to leave it in the basket. We need to resolve these questions because they're all very important questions for our future. We need to resolve them; we don't want to leave them in the 'I don't know' basket. What we would like to do instead is engage everything in the 'I don't know' basket and try to resolve it enough that we can put it in either 'I know this is true' or 'I know this is false.'

**Clare:** Right, now how do you measure that?

Well, the primary measurement is always love. So any doctrine of any type, any teaching of any type, that seems to have an unloving nature in it would naturally be gravitating towards the false doctrine; any doctrine of any type. But we've got to be careful because sometimes our own definition of love is flawed and this has come from our childhood. If I've grown up in an environment where my parents belted me and said it was love then of course my idea of love is going to be flawed and that flaw will actually be imposed upon my belief system, so I have to be humble enough. This is where the humility is important.

Remember that love was the defining factor, but I also have to be humble enough to know that perhaps my view of love is flawed, so I need to firstly probably revise my own view of love. So I put my own view of love in the 'unresolved' basket, in the 'I don't know' basket and I go, "Is this view of love true? Is this view of love that you can be violent and loving at the same time, true?" Now, you pray to God about that. You ask for God's assistance to show you the truth about this through your day-to-day life and God will show you through your day-to-day life whether that is true or not.

And then you'll analyse how you feel. How do you feel when you're getting abused? Do you feel loved? Now, pretty much everyone would say, "Definitely not." And if someone was violent with you, like I punched you on the face, would you feel loved? Probably not, so then you'd go, "Okay, I know that when I personally am violently harmed, I don't feel loved, so me then believing that God is potentially going to be violent with others is not a loving belief system, not a loving doctrine, and if it's not a loving doctrine but it's in the Bible then the Bible mustn't be true, mustn't be God's Word."

**Clare:** Because then there are the subtleties too, where you think you're loving someone, or you're actually feeding an addiction, or you're not looking after your own self-love; you're not being self-loving; you're allowing them to perhaps project negativity towards you when they're going through a bad time. That, to me, is even more subtle.

But even that can be measured because what we'd do is we put even that into the 'I don't know' basket. "Is this loving or is this not loving?" Now we might start out feeling that it is loving, that it's loving to help a person who's abusing us, for example. However, after a while I go, "But I feel like I'm being abused. I feel like I'm being used." If this was truly love would I feel like I'm being used? Probably not, so maybe me engaging this situation is not the best thing to do, until I've worked out whether to engage it is loving or not. And again, if I reflected upon my own feelings and logically analysed my own feelings about my response to what was happening, there's a pretty good chance I'd be able to see in the end whether it's loving or not, to be in that situation.

For example, let's say every time I go around to a certain friend I come away feeling exhausted. You know the kind of friend that does that. You come away feeling exhausted and you go, "Oh, tired again," and then when you think about going around to their place you go, "Oh, do I have to?" that kind of thing? (Laughter)

There are only two possible things that could be happening there. One is that you're giving so much and the person's taking a lot and you come away feeling depleted. Now that's obviously not loving to yourself but it's also not loving to them. They think that they can take from you constantly and deplete you and they don't even notice. The loving thing to do, firstly, would be to engage the truth of how you feel.

So you go around to them and say, "Look, to be honest with you I don't like coming around to your place. Do you want to know why?" (Laughter) Now if they didn't want to know why I just wouldn't go around again but if they wanted to know why I'd say to them, "Well, the reason why is that every time I come away from your place I just feel depleted, like you've sucked the life out of me, like, that's the feeling I have when I come." So now we've got some truth on the table, your truth; it might not be the truth.

It might be that you're giving up your emotions to them for some reason. It might be that you have a lot of fear and that's the reason why you feel depleted in the situation. But you've now raised the issue; you're now in a discussion about what you don't know. You haven't yet resolved whether what is the right or the wrong thing yet in the situation, but you've at least raised the point of what is right or wrong.

Now if the person gets all angry and defensive then you go, "Whoa, this is way ..." Immediately you know, "Wow, now it's way out of harmony; now we're in the 'wrong' basket. I don't have to be here now," so you probably leave. And you tell them that. "Look, now we're in the 'wrong' basket actually; I need to leave now."

But if they said, "Oh yes. Wow, I've never thought of that; I've never considered why that would be," and so forth, and you start working it out, and you might work out in the end that you're very afraid of them and so you feel like you have to do everything they want and that's what makes you feel tired. Or you might work out that they're very demanding and angry all the time and you do have to do what they want otherwise they'll yell at you. Either one of those would be in the 'wrong' basket in terms of love. So at least you now have the ability to resolve.

I find in most interactions that most people firstly respond angrily to the raising of the question, so straight away you know what's in the 'wrong' basket and you don't even have to go down to the next point. But if they get to the next point you get to have a lot of insights about the truth about yourself and what you really believe about love. You know, if you believe that love gives even in the face of rage, or I could say, it continues to give even though a person's rageful and trying to reject what you're giving, then obviously it's a false belief about love because love wouldn't do that; that's not honouring the free will. And if you keep on giving, keep on giving and the person keeps on demanding, keeps on demanding, keeps on demanding, without giving anything in return or without even any gratitude, that wouldn't be loving either, to yourself or to them, because you're creating a monster and so that wouldn't be loving. You'd recognise these things if you raised the discussion.

But with almost every subject, Christian or otherwise, we often go, "If I raise that there are going to be people ..." - we sort of have that viewpoint, like, "I don't know if I want to raise these questions because I know there's all this and all that might happen; all this might happen," and so we sit silent. When we sit silent we can't resolve anything, so I definitely suggest to people that they do not sit silent, that they at least continue to engage what's in the 'I don't know' basket as much as they possibly can until it's resolved, until the right behaviour, what is right or wrong, is determined, yes. So that's what I'd suggest for people in terms of answering that question, yes.

**Clare:** That's excellent! Thank you. (Laughter)

It does tend to be a bit less complicated. (Laughter)

2. What daily practices could a sincere Christian follow?

**Clare:** What daily practices could a sincere Christian follow to enhance their worship and their soul development toward God?

Yes, I thought this was a pretty good question because there are a number of daily practices that can help any person. I feel that these daily practices apply to all people on the planet, not just to Christians. But let's look at the first two of them. In the Bible there is a record of me saying what the two greatest commandments are. Can you remember them?

**Clare:** Love God with a whole heart, your whole soul, with your whole being, your whole mind...

And all your strength.

**Clare:** And all your strength, and to love your neighbour as yourself.

If we firstly look at these two particular things as daily practices: What would it mean to you to love God with your whole heart, your whole soul, your whole mind, your whole strength? Can you see that you can't love somebody you don't know?

So my first recommendation to any person is to get to know God, not to get to know the god of the Bible, because I don't believe that is God and I never have believed that is God. Even in the first century I didn't believe that what the Bible said in the Old Testament was everything there was to know about God. In fact I knew, based on God being a God of Love, that a lot of what the Old Testament said about God being a god of wrath was obviously false.

How do I get to know God? That becomes a primary question. Now my answer to that is: by engaging in my day-to-day life the fascinating things in God's universe that God has presented me that demonstrate God's nature to me; that's how I do it. How I do it is by looking around myself as I'm working out in the garden. I look at all the different things and I learn about them and I ask myself this underlying fundamental question: what does this tell me about the character, nature and attributes of God? - because everything does; everything tells me something about God. Now this helps me get to know God.

I would also engage conversation with people who I believe knew more of the Laws of God than I do, and I would reflect upon what these Laws tell me about God, whether the Laws are false or true, whether the person believes them fundamentally or not. For example, there are some laws that people present in Christianity that if I analyse carefully, I go, "Wow, it's really telling me that God's misogynistic, a woman-hater. Now is that what I believe God to be or is that what a God of Love would be?" So even learning the false thing about God can help me see the truth about God; that's the beauty of doing this.

What I'd encourage people to do as a daily practice is to ask themselves questions about whatever they hear, whatever knowledge they garner from the universe around them, whatever they observe - "What does it tell me about God? Then I can get to know God. If I can get to know God then I can come to love God. So then I'm not just focused on receiving Love from God, I'm focused on also feeling love for God. That's what a relationship is. A relationship isn't just you loving me, you loving me and me just ignoring you. (Laughing) That's not a relationship. Now God has that kind of relationship with the majority of people on the planet, where God's wanting to have a relationship with every one of His children and most of the children reject the relationship. Even a lot of Christians reject the relationship because they're not engaging this permanent connection with God. They're trying to have a relationship with God through a book, not through their own personal experience.

What I'm suggesting - and what I suggested in the first century was identical to this - get to know God through the universe around you. Get to know God by looking at everything and asking yourself the question: "What does this tell me about God?" That's practice number one. In fact if you just did that one practice you'd learn a lot about love, a lot about truth, a lot about yourself through the whole process, just that one practice. I'm going to recommend four more practices (laughter) but that, to me, is one of the primary ones; getting to know the Person who created you, your Parent, your True Parent.

The second one is recommended by that statement that you made from the Bible, which is to love your neighbour as yourself. So once I've learned what God's Nature is towards myself in terms of love, then I act the way God would act in the situation towards others, and I value the other person as much as, but not more, than myself, and I value the other person as little as, but not as ... in the opposite direction. In other words, what I'm saying is: I value the other person as equal to me; not as less and not as more than me.

Now a lot of faiths encourage us to put ourselves down and value the other person more than ourselves. This will always result in inequality of some kind. For example, if you look at some of the Bible verses, they encourage women to value the husband more than themselves through this aspect of headship of the male. If you look at Paul's writings they're basically saying that he does not permit a woman to speak in the congregation. Does he permit a man to speak in the congregation? Why, yes he does, so why doesn't he permit a woman to speak in the congregation?

Now, of course, Paul never said that. It was added to the Bible later on but, if we looked at it and we said, "Okay, this is a point of inequality. If I love my neighbour as myself then I will love a woman as much as I love myself as a man. If I value my own input in a congregation then surely I would also value the woman's input in the congregation. If I feel that I should be able to be a minister of a congregation then surely a woman should also be able. If I value the woman as much as a man, if I love my neighbour as myself, I should be able to allow the woman to also be a minister of a congregation." Quite clear. However, if I start choosing scriptures in the Bible, there'll be many scriptures that disagree with that. But, if you look at my statement which is, "I must love my neighbour as myself," I would not value the woman as lesser than myself nor would I put restrictions upon her that I would not place on myself, and also vice versa. As a woman I would not think that the man is greater than myself or think that I should have more restrictions placed on myself than the man has placed on himself.

So this aspect of loving the neighbour as equal to yourself, as yourself, is a very important aspect to practice in your day-to-day life. It will help you determine so much truth; it will help you dismiss many of the so-called sacred writings of all sorts of books because they promote inequality. They promote looking at a person who is either greater or lesser than yourself.

You see the same problem historically with Christianity and other faiths, where certain races of mankind were treated worse than other races, based on whether they were cursed or not. There is this underlying justification of the slave trade during the 1800's based upon the scriptures about one of Noah's sons being cursed and him being more black or dark than the others and so he was therefore cursed because of his colour. The Law of Love of love my neighbour as myself would instantly dismiss that justification as false because if I love my neighbour as myself I would love my black neighbour as myself, and my, if we could call them, Asian neighbour, or yellow neighbour sometimes they're referred to although I don't understand why (laughter), as myself and any tribal differences that I would have would instantly disappear because I love my neighbour as myself, as a practice. So I would never go to war because I would never want somebody to go to war with me.

**Clare:** And with any resistance you may have against any person at all, you'd feel the resistance, you'd immediately realise that it's the damage within yourself, and to deal with that.

Exactly, and that's where humility comes in, which is my next practice. (Laughter) The next daily practice is to practice becoming more and more humble each day. You see, it's no good recognising these truths about God, and in fact you won't be able to recognise truths about God or recognise truths about your neighbour unless you yourself are humble to change. If you have a whole set of belief systems inside of yourself that through this interaction with God and your neighbour you realise can't be true, if you were humble you'd give them up. It doesn't matter whether they were written in a book or not, you'd still give them up; you wouldn't hold on for dear life and resist them and even fight for them; you would give them up quite readily. This is why the daily practice of humility is so important, understanding what humility is.

Humility is a lot about allowing yourself to feel your own emotions without perpetrating unloving acts towards others; allowing yourself to realise conflicts in your own belief systems without perpetrating unloving acts towards others; allowing yourself to see that you're probably going to have to change on one or two or most probably more subjects - probably many thousands of subjects in the end - and that change is something that you're going to have to get used to if humility allows you to see these things. Also, having the humility to see that no single book can contain the infinity of God within its pages; humility would dictate that as well, the seeing of this particular knowledge.

That'd be my third daily practice, humility; practicing humility, practicing feeling your own feelings rather than trying to blame other people for your feelings. Feeling how you're responding and seeing it as whether it's in or out of harmony with love, and if your response is out of harmony with love, seeing that there must be an underlying cause you need to address inside of yourself and being willing to address it, not ignore it, not run away from it, not say it was somebody else's fault, but rather look at what's going on inside of yourself. That'd be my third daily practice. Humility opens you up to truth.

Truth is my fourth daily practice, a quest for truth. My suggestion is to begin to pray, not for things in the Bible or things in the Quran or things in any other holy book to be true, but rather to pray to know God's Truth in your heart, and humility will help you see it when it is presented to you. Humility is like a doorway, in a way, that opens yourself to truth, and truth is the doorway to seeing what Love is all about and actually feeling Love in the end.

Truth is very important and the quest for the Truth cannot be underestimated. This is why I said that the Truth will set you free. It's not love that results in freedom. Freedom and love are the end result of the quest for Truth, and being humble enough to see it, and this quest for Truth will enable love to be experienced. You see, if we're holding onto false beliefs we cannot connect with Truth at all. In fact, the Christian belief of connecting to the Holy Spirit, as we'll discuss later, is true but we cannot even connect to the Holy Spirit if we do not have a quest for Truth. The Holy Spirit is a spirit of Truth in a lot of ways; it only connects with the human soul when we have a desire for Truth to enter our soul.

The aspect of opening our heart to Truth and praying for Truth is very, very important - and not being afraid to put things in the 'I don't know basket'; in other words not being afraid to say, "I don't know the truth about this yet." To be honest there are billions of things in this universe that none of us know.

Well, you think about it from a perspective of mathematics, if the universe is infinite, or God is infinite, then it makes sense that God has created a universe potentially with a whole heap of Laws that are infinite. If that's the case then I'm not going to know them all, so I have to expect that almost everything in the universe is in the 'I don't know' basket, and it's only through my process of discovery, through the process of Love, knowing God, getting to know God's Nature, God's Attributes, God's Qualities, learning to treat my neighbour as equal to myself and love my neighbour as myself, that I'll start to be able to determine, through the Law of Love, what truth may be.

Once I do that I will be able to experiment with the truth and then it will solidify within myself - once I've experimented, but not from somebody telling me; it'll be through my own personal experiments with the Truth. Then I can take the thing out of the 'I don't know' basket and put it in 'I know for certain this is true' or in the 'I know for certain it is false' baskets; that's when we can do it. So I feel that this aspect of desire for truth needs to be a daily practice. I feel that the majority of people are very, very happy with the truth they feel they already know, and as a result, they no longer have a quest for more truth.

The problem with a finite book is that it encourages such belief, because it tells you that if it's not there then it's not true, and that is not logical when it comes to God's Nature or Attributes. But it is also not logical for our future, because we're then going to be controlled by the finite limitations of the book we're reading and believing to be true. So I would definitely say to people, this eternal quest for Truth, for infinite Truth, is something that we must engage.

Only God knows Absolute Truth, so it makes sense that if I develop a relationship with God, Truth will come to me more readily than if I do not develop a relationship with God. Some very famous people, scientists and otherwise in history, have had a relationship with God, and as a result we see truth through that relationship.

The other practice which I feel is probably the most important practice of them all: pray every day to receive God's Love into your heart.

Now this practice is very dependent, in some ways, on the other practices being engaged. Prayer in itself is a very, very interesting operation, because what prayer does, and most people are not aware of this, even most Christians who pray and most Muslims and others who pray, if a prayer is sincere and from the heart, what it does is it opens the heart to Love and Truth. It actually has the physical operation of opening your soul and allowing new things to enter the soul, and in particular it establishes a connection between your soul and God's Soul, and now things can flow from God's Soul into your soul as long as the prayer remains.

The prayer is a longing, passionate desire, not an intellectual word. It's no good me praying five times a day towards the sun maybe - I think it's five times a day - praying towards the east towards God, or as a Christian might do saying a rosary or all of those kinds of things, if just our mind is engaged and our heart is not engaged; it has no effect on the soul. For prayer to have an effect on the soul we need to feel it as a feeling towards God, as a feeling, an emotion; an emotional, passionate state towards God.

So we need to learn how to pray. To learn how to pray isn't just reading from a book, or reading from some kind of text, a prayer towards God. Learning how to pray is about having feelings towards God, of wanting and desiring certain things that are pure in their nature, Love of God being one of them, the primary one, and Truth from God being a secondary one, and humility being a third. If we long towards God for these particular things every single day, and we spend time, give ourselves time apart from all of our day-to-day pressures, where we just have this time with God, where we long for God's Love and we long for God's Truth, and we long to become more humble people, as a practice, not because it's a rote practice but because it's a heartfelt desire, then we will find we will grow in love immensely and also be able to determine truth much more rapidly.

Then all this stuff that's in the 'I don't know' basket can be rapidly put into the 'false' basket or 'true' basket because my heart, as it becomes more and more full of Love from God, I have the ability to determine what love is, and therefore the ability to decide what truth may be, because truth is always loving. So I have the ability to determine truth as a result. But if love does not exist in my heart and I don't have a desire for it and I don't have a longing to receive it from God, then I will not have the ability to determine truth; I'll only have my intellect and my own unhealed emotional condition to determine truth.

**Clare:** Now, how about the reading of poetry and of other literature, say, to actually trigger that desire for God?

Well, if after those five practices I've mentioned you have time left, (laughter) and I suggest probably most people in the western world wouldn't have much time left after those practices, then sure, do anything that inspires you, and in fact do anything you possibly can to engage your will in a more forceful manner, in a more firm and direct manner, and engage the things that inspire you. But to be honest, you will find that happening automatically if you do those prior five practices I've mentioned.

**Clare:** Now this is where you would actually - because somebody has actually asked this question, about the use of will - this is where you put your will into practice about using those practices?

Yes, well one of the primary gifts of love is God's gift of free will to us. Like, if you think about it, it is one of the most powerful gifts to be able to ever give to a creation that you've created. It's like, God has said, "Right, I'm going to create this creation but instead of this creation doing what I want it to do, I want this creation to engage what it will be."

Now, the beauty of that is remarkable, because basically what you're doing is you're giving up control of the very creature you have made, and God has done that. God has given up the control of the very creature God has made. Instead God has placed a system, a structure if you like, in the universe, of Laws. The creature God has created, and we are the only creature God has created that can do this, can break the Law or live by it, by choice, and God's given us this beautiful will to decide what we wish to do.

Many of us decide to break the Law every day and God doesn't punitively come along and say, "You naughty boy, you've broken the Law." God knew right from the beginning by giving you free will that you had the ability to break Law. God gave you the ability to break the Law if you so desire. But God has also given you the ability, through the same ability, to live in harmony with the Law, and when we live in harmony with the Law, when we use our will in harmony with Law, it results in happiness, and it also results in no restrictions.

As long as we use our will in harmony with the Laws of Love every single day, we will have no restrictions placed upon us. We will not grow old, we will not get sick, we will not have diseases, we don't need to die. The reason why all those things happen that I've just mentioned is that we've broken a whole series of Laws of Love which all have their own consequences for breaking them. If we understood the use of our will better, in harmony with all of God's Laws, which are loving, then the majority of people on the planet wouldn't avoid using their will in that direction so much.

It is also proof that every religion on this planet that exists today is breaking the Law of God in some way, because the adherents of such religions do grow old, they do die, they do get sick, they do have diseases, which is all proof that the law is being broken somehow. Even those people who believe that the Bible is God's Word and are following the Bible to the letter, or probably better said to their interpretation of the letter, they still get sick, they still grow old and they die, which is an indication they must still be breaking at least one of more of the Laws of God that are obviously not contained in the Bible, because if they were contained in the Bible then the person wouldn't have grown old, and wouldn't have gotten sick, and couldn't have died.

The consequence, what we see happening in the universe, is a direct reflection of the fact that our day-to-day practices are flawed. My suggestion is that if we bring them back to those five basic practices each day and we engage our will in a passionate way to follow those particular practices, our entire life will rapidly change; we will receive Divine Love. We have the potential of becoming immortal, of living forever, as a result of becoming at-one with God, only by engaging these practices.

Any other practice we do - we can sit down and talk about doctrines until we're blue in the face, but it will not help us one bit in gaining a condition of at-onement with God. It may help us to determine truth and error at some point perhaps, but unless we engage these principles of love in our life, it's impossible. Unless we receive Divine Love into our soul, it's going to be impossible for us to ever become at-one with God, no matter what we believe, no matter what practices we engage, no matter what doctrines we firmly believe in our heart are true. So they're the practices I'd recommend people take on.

3. What do you remember when baptised in the Jordan River?

**Clare:** When you were baptised in the Jordan River, what do you remember and what was in your heart?

Well, I suppose I can list all the different things that happened then and also what I felt at the time. Obviously myself and John, John the Baptist I'm now speaking of, were friends from a young age. I was his cousin, he was my cousin, so whenever we went to Jerusalem ... John lived not very far from Jerusalem with his parents until he became the 'preacher of righteousness' that he became, and as young boys ... after my family came back from Egypt \- it was in my 13th year when my family came back from Egypt, that was the first time I met John and we became very fast friends, very quickly.

He was a medium of spirits. He could talk to spirits quite readily and I was fascinated by that of course and so, because I could also speak with spirits quite readily as well, we had many engagements of conversations with spirits and so forth about all sorts of subjects. Every time that my family went down to Jerusalem, and usually that happened once a year when we went down for the Passover celebration, we would stay with John until my father got a house in Jerusalem, which happened a bit later in my life. So we would get to spend a lot of this time together, myself and John. We'd play together, we'd do things together, we'd talk a lot about truth and what's truth; even when we were very young we'd talk to spirits and find out a lot of things as a result. We had a very close relationship, myself and John.

John, through his mediumship ability, received a lot of channelling from spirits of old, what you would call the prophets of old, in particular the spirit of Elijah. Elijah was John's guide; I suppose you would call him nowadays if you were in a New Age movement. He was the spirit who guided a lot of John's actions and a lot of the things John said, Elijah said through him. Perhaps I could use the right name for him; Elias is what we call him.

Elias had this relationship with John, Elias being the spirit, John being the medium on earth, and he would have many conversations and discussions. Elias eventually motivated John into understanding that John could be the forerunner to myself, as foretold in the scriptures, in the prophetic books of the scriptures, in the sense that he could prepare people for me to speak with them. The way he saw him doing that was to talk to them about the principles of repentance and forgiveness, and to talk to them about the need for them to start to understand the need to practice the Law of God, to understand and practice the Law of God.

Now of course John was a bit resistive to understanding the Law of God at times and he had a very strong viewpoint of the Torah. He felt that the first five books of the Bible, because they were inspired from Moses, that they were inspired of God. He became quite militant at times about the belief in those particular books of the Bible and I was far more liberal than he. He would often practise practices that I felt I didn't need to practise in order to become at-one with God, but he felt quite strongly he wanted to practise them, so he did.

In our later life we still conversed very frequently and we were fast friends, although we had different opinions about what it meant to be close to God. His opinion was more focused around what you would call the Torah and the prophets, and my opinion was more based around my developing a relationship with God and my learning truth through this different process that I was discovering. But he also had spirits tell him that the process I was following, which he didn't understand at the time, was the process that the messiah would engage, and then spirits with him eventually told him that I was the messiah. So, it made sense to me that the only person on the planet at that particular time, after I became at-one with God, who understood anything of what it meant for me to be the messiah, would be the person that I would share the experience with.

At the time of my being baptised by John, I had just gone through the process of becoming at-one with God, a process which began in my early childhood and which was the actual at-onement condition. This was me entering the eighth dimension of the spirit world, or the first Celestial kingdom, and the creation of what I call God's kingdom in heaven occurred just before my baptism, so there was a huge number of things to celebrate for me. In fact it was the only time in the first century I had a celebration actually, this celebration of my condition of at-onement with God, which is a beautiful condition to be in from a personal perspective, because now you have no fears, you have no trauma. It's very difficult to describe to another person what the feeling feels like without them actually feeling it.

In addition to that, I knew the truth of all of what I'd been engaging my entire life; it was a fulfilment of all the truth I'd discovered. It was also a feeling that I'd now opened, I knew that I'd created a new sphere in the spirit world, the eighth sphere of the spirit world I knew that I'd just created a new location in the spirit world in which only those who had received God's Love to perfection could ever exist.

Nobody else was there at the time and nobody else could enter that place in the spirit world at the time and I knew that that was a major event in terms of a universal event. There were all these personal experiences that I'd just had in addition to all these universal things going on that I knew were a result of the personal experience I'd just had, that I had to celebrate. The way I celebrated it, and sometimes I regret the decision now [laughing] because of the way in which it's been interpreted, but the way I wanted to celebrate it was ... I felt it to be like becoming, my description of it was being born again, and I called it the New Birth, experiencing the New Birth. It was like being born into a Divine creature from being a human.

For all of my life in the first century up until the age of just over thirty I was human, the same as any other human, born in the same manner and I would potentially have died in the same manner and so forth, as any other human, with one exception. That was that I had this desire to receive Divine Love into my soul and learn the Truth from God and that desire drove me until I became at-one with God. Once I became at-one with God I knew I was immortal, so there was also this beautiful feeling that I could never die, my soul could never die.

All these amazing events were happening at one point in time and they'd never happened on this earth in human history. For that reason they were all a set of major events. Now, I decided to mark the event with a symbolic expression of the event, which was my baptism. I asked John and he initially refused (laughing) and told me that I should baptise him instead but I said, "No, you don't understand. This is my celebration of the changes and my knowledge of my own immortality, my knowledge that all of the things that I'd been engaging up until this point were true, my acknowledgement of the creation of the first Celestial sphere, the eighth sphere of the spirit world, my new-found condition of now knowing that I was at-one with God and feeling that condition," and knowing that now God would be able to express Herself through what I did, which was a joy to contemplate for me, and so I decided to mark the event with a baptism. John, as I said, initially refusing to do such a thing, decided to do it and I was baptised. Now there was no dove coming out of heaven and voices saying ..., or that anybody else heard, let's say. I certainly heard many voices, of all of my spirit friends who acknowledged this new condition, because they had yet to attain this condition. The very first people to attain the condition were Elias and Moses in the spirit world, and that's why I engaged them in the Transfiguration.

**Clare:** Was that long after?

It was, around about six to eight months after my own transition into the first Celestial sphere; so it was some time after.

**Clare:** That's why they were there of course, at the Transfiguration?

Of course. They were demonstrating to spirits that this position had been achieved as I had earlier, through my baptism, demonstrated to mortals that it had been achieved, but in the Transfiguration, demonstrated to John and James and Peter that it had been achieved then, as well. This was a way of us letting people on earth and in the spirit world know that the condition of at-onement was possible, and that God had re-opened the potentiality of the soul's eternal development. Before then the potentiality was closed. That's what I meant by the death of the soul and the resurrection of the soul - the resurrection of the soul's potentialities to become at-one with God and therefore become immortal.

These things had all happened to me at the time just before my baptism. Now of course John didn't understand all of those things because he couldn't feel them all. He couldn't understand them, and it was only later, with the Transfiguration, when Moses and Elias understood it, that anyone else in the universe understood what I'd actually gone through, but it was a sort of significant time for me; it was a personal experience and so I decided to mark my personal experience with a celebration, and that's all my baptism was. (Laughter)

**Clare:** It was always different with you, I know, but it was the symbolic act of repentance back then.

Yes, for John but not for me. For John's baptism, yes, but not for me because for me there was nothing to repent. I'd gone through the condition of repentance and come out the other side of it into a condition of at-onement with God, so my baptism didn't symbolise repentance and God's forgiveness at all. It symbolised the change in condition, and John's baptism was obviously different to my own personal baptism.

John's baptism of a normal person under those circumstances - when I say normal, everyone's normal, it's just that I had received something through my desire that others had not - but John's normal baptism was a baptism of repentance, in other words, a person acknowledging that they'd made mistakes in their life and desiring to repent or change and make amends for the particular mistakes they made. But that didn't apply to me and that wasn't the purpose of my baptism at all.

In terms of my feelings with John, I tried to describe all of these events that had occurred, and while he had confirmation from Elias, the spirit who often he spoke with, that these events had occurred, he didn't really understand them. As a result he continued to preach the way he preached, however with one change. That is, we decided together at that time or just before that time, that he would go before me into different locations and help people come to a knowledge of repentance and forgiveness, and that would help prepare them for the true, the Divine Truth, of the reception of Divine Love that I would prepare them for when I visited the same location. We actually got together fairly frequently and planned where we would next visit; he would go ahead of me and I would follow him and visit those locations after him. Even though that all occurred, he had his own followers. He had his own followers who did not believe that I was the Messiah, and even though John told them that I was and assured them of his belief that I was, many of his followers did not choose to follow me.

**Clare:** Because his style was so different to yours.

Very different, yes. He had a very, shall we say, fire and brimstone type of a style. (Laughter) He did practice love too but he did have a lot of condemnation of the religious and political leaders of the day, which I actually warned him against because I said to him that this was not the way. What he was condemning them for wasn't the truth and I said to him that it could only end in bitterness for him and it did, of course, end in bitterness for him in the sense that he died prematurely really, as a result of his condemnation of Herod. In particular, not his condemnation of Herod, because Herod really didn't care less. Whether some preacher in the wilderness preached whatever about him, Herod was still going to go down his very debauched pathway in life, but his wife obviously had very different opinions and was very concerned with public opinion. As a result of that, and John's condemnation of her, it led to his death, whereas if John had been a bit more loving and focused on the truth, I doubt whether he would have taken such actions.

But in terms of my baptism, as in the question you asked, that was the significance of it for me. Of course many things have been made of it since, unfortunately, like people now believe that baptising a child is necessary and I don't see how that could ever have any efficiency in helping the person with their relationship with God. And they also believe that adults ... there are arguments about how you should be baptised even, whether you should be baptised by full immersion or sprinkled, the reality is that I walked into the water but John sprinkled the water on my head, but there's the assumption that because I walked in the water that that meant full baptism and so forth, but in the end none of that was important to me and the reality also is none of it is important to a Christian and their faith in God and their ability to receive Divine Love.

4. Is sacrament & ritual the way to access our deep yearnings for God?

**Clare:** In my Christian education I learnt that sacrament and ritual were a way in which we could actually demonstrate the feelings that were deep within the heart and bring them, act them through your body.

Yes.

**Clare:** I just wondered what your comment was on this?

Yes, it's interesting, sacrament and ritual, isn't it? Maybe you would like to define sacrament for the people who ...

**Clare:** Well, it's a visible sign of God's Love coming to that person, but really I know, having ...

Really it's even connected to the blood, the wine and the bread and all of those kind of things too isn't it, to a degree?

**Clare:** To a degree, yes.

It's also connected to other belief systems, isn't it?

**Clare:** It's connected to other belief systems and it also depends on the condition of the person receiving the sacrament, because having been involved with it, I'd say 90% haven't got a clue and don't care.

Yes.

**Clare:** Whereas you might have 10% who really, honestly want to keep ...

... feel it as a ritual. Like, feel it as a feeling.

**Clare:** Feel that desire, yes.

Yes. For the majority of people ritual has become commonplace, and as a result of ritual becoming commonplace of course there is no heart in it, and when there is no heart in anything of course it has no benefit to the soul whatsoever. That's the first thing I would like to say in response to the question. When there is no heart involved in anything, then of course there is no soul-based response in the thing being practiced and therefore it is of no benefit whatsoever to the person practicing it.

**Clare:** Obviously, yes.

So a person who practices sacrament or ritual without there being any heart in it, it's completely useless to them, of no benefit whatsoever. But let's look at the heart in it and just see how this applies. Now, what happens many times for people involved with sacrament and ritual is that spirits, who are also loving the sacrament and ritual, are involved in motivating the heart of the person into the sacrament and ritual through an experience. In other words, let's say for example, as a scenario, I decide that I would like to be involved in a certain ritual of the church. There's a spirit with me who feels very strongly that that ritual of the church helps them and will help me get closer to God, and so the spirit gives me feelings, tingling sensations and other feelings from the spirit to myself. Usually when we feel it, we'll feel it enter us through the back of our (indicating with his hands the area around the back of his head), and it causes me to have an opening of my heart towards this ritual being a part of my worship of God.

In the process of this worship of God, my heart opens up towards God. As a result of my heart opening up towards God and my desire for God's Love to enter my soul, God's Love now starts entering my soul (indicating with his hands the Love coming from above his head down into his body) and I feel the tingling sensation over all of my body and a beautiful happiness and feeling of love and so forth, that enters me as a result of that particular experience. Now, the problem with all of that is this: I then join the ritual with the final experience.

I then associate the ritual, and inside of myself, I tell myself that the reason I had this experience with God was that I practiced the ritual. This gives me an emotional connection to the ritual as a means of experiencing God. Now the reality is that I do not need a ritual to experience God. We only need the five things that I've mentioned in my previous question, but because in my heart I've now associated the ritual or the sacrament as leading me to this experience with God, I then associate a belief system that the ritual is essential to my continuing this experience with God. This is where I now imbibe an untruth, because what has really driven my experience with God was my open heart and longing for that experience with God, not the ritual itself.

The ritual helped me reach that condition through the mechanism of the ritual, but the ritual in itself will not work for every person because it's actually the feeling of opening my heart towards God that is the thing that operates, that draws the Holy Spirit as a connection and allows the Love to flow. Until that point in time I'm only experiencing an experience with a spirit who is probably also on the same path as myself, who also has very similar belief systems to myself. Now, if I become addicted to that relationship, I'm actually being distracted from God.

What I find a lot of people do is they have this ritual in the first instance; they connect with God through this ritual because of the mechanism I've described. Then they believe the ritual is what connects them to God, and then they engage the ritual and then the spirit keeps giving them the encouragement for the ritual as well. Instead, what they're now developing is a relationship with a spirit; sometimes they have the feeling with God and sometimes they don't, and they don't understand why. They're engaging the ritual every time but sometimes the ritual works and other times the ritual doesn't. In other words, at other times the ritual fails but they don't look at that. They don't go, "Okay, today the ritual worked, yesterday the ritual didn't work. What happened today that was different to yesterday?" and actually finish up seeing that it's something going on in their heart that happened that was different yesterday to today.

Also, there is the aspect of truth that's involved. If we hold onto rituals that reinforce false beliefs, eventually the ritual will cause us to stagnate. In other words we will no longer be able to experience the connection with God through the ritual, at all, ever. We might receive Divine Love, receive Divine Love to a certain point where we're not facing a truth and then we think the answer is to engage the ritual more, and the more we engage the ritual we still can't receive Divine Love anymore, because we're not realising that it's not the ritual, or the lack of the ritual, that caused the operation of the Holy Spirit with our soul. It was our inability to understand the truth that's sitting right in front of us that has caused us to now disconnect.

**Clare:** So, more and more of truth is what opens up that heart.

Exactly.

**Clare:** You know, keep breaking the boundaries and looking for more and more truths.

Exactly. There is no harm in the ritual if the ritual helps me connect to God, but as soon as the ritual makes me believe that I don't need to face a truth in order to connect to God, now there is harm in the ritual and this is the problem that we face with regard to our rituals. You see, eventually what happens in most religious faiths is that the ritual becomes the observance without our understanding the operation of the soul, and when we don't understand the operation of the soul we can't receive Divine Love. We get more and more involved in the ritual, in the ritual, in the ritual, in the ritual, and eventually the ritual results in stagnation of our progress towards God because we're now trying to engage the ritual rather than engage truth and humility in our relationship with God; we're trying to engage the ritual to get the relationship with God, and God doesn't have relationships based on ritual.

**Clare:** Is this what causes what they call 'dryness'?

Yes. I feel you see it happening in a lot of religious faiths where you have that initial inflow of the connection with love and therefore the connection with God's Love entering the soul. There's that initial deep enthusiasm for the religion as a result, which is an incorrect viewpoint in itself because it's not the religion that caused the inflow of Love, it's your own openness to God's Love entering your own heart that caused the inflow of Love, but the religion assisted you in that process through helping you understand some things. Now, when I engage the religion more and more and more, I then start believing that the religion is the cause of my relationship with God and it's not.

The cause of my relationship with God stagnating or progressing is completely dependent on three things. It's completely dependent on my longing for God's Love to enter my soul, whether that's pure or not; it's completely dependent on whether I have a pure desire for Divine Truth; and it's completely dependent on whether I'm humble. They are the only things that it's dependent upon.

It is not dependent upon any religious observance; it is not dependent on any religious faith. I can be a New Age, Mormon, Christian, Jehovah Witness, Pentecostal, Muslim, Hindu, any religious faith, or an agnostic, or even an atheist, and have a longing for God all of a sudden and then bang, the experience will be experienced. What this says is that it's the personal relationship with God that is the key part to the whole experience. But what we do when we're a member of a faith is we believe the faith has helped us to have this relationship, and then we continue to engage the sacraments and belief systems and doctrines of that faith as a result. Now many of these doctrines are opposite to God's Love and so these doctrines begin to stagnate our soul's progress towards God in love. We had these initial beautiful experiences which slowly over time peter out into having no experience at all. Then we assume one of two things: we either assume we've reached the pinnacle of what we could reach ...

**Clare:** It's a pretty dead end, isn't it, if they're like that at the pinnacle? (Laughter)

Exactly. It also negates the fact that God is infinite, if you think about it.

**Clare:** Yes, of course, of course.

There is no such thing as reaching the pinnacle ... or we believe that we've now become stagnant in that faith and we start to look for another faith; we look for some other way of getting the same experience, in other words. Now the reality is that if we truly understood what caused the experience in the beginning then it's highly unlikely we'd be attracted to constant ritual and sacrament, but usually when we begin our relationship with God we don't understand much at all and so we do engage the ritual. That opens our heart, opens our heart to the experience, we have the experience and then we believe it's the ritual or the sacrament or the doctrine or the belief system that caused the experience, when it wasn't. It was actually our heart opening for the first time towards God and God's Love being experienced that caused the experience.

This is where I see, like, there's no harm in the sacrament and the ritual as long as it doesn't interfere with our knowledge of what is the real reason why we had the experience, but as soon as it interferes in the knowledge of what is the real reason, now there is harm in the sacrament and the ritual. This is a conundrum, I suppose, for most religious faiths. The Muslim religion has the ritual of praying five times every day in a certain direction. At the beginning, the first person who did that might have experienced some of God's Love but many of them now have the prayer and pick up a gun and go off and fire at someone the very next moment, so that's an indication that none of God's Love has touched their heart.

I just feel quite strongly that it's very important for us to understand that while ritual and sacrament and doctrine and belief systems can open us at some point towards this experience with God, they will not sustain the openness with this experience with God, and that's why the people end up with this dry feeling in the end or the feeling of stagnation, let's call it, and the feeling of stagnation is telling you that your belief about how it happened in the first place was probably incorrect.

There is a way to sustain receiving Divine Love for the rest of your existence and that is by engaging humility, truth and the desire for God's Love to enter the soul without needing sacrament and ritual to sustain it.

**Clare:** It's wonderful, that information, because when you think of some of the feelings that you have when you are humble, to give you a bit of confidence to keep going instead of thinking, "Oh no, I feel terrible, I'd better back out." Keep going, keep going because it's only going to increase that connection you have with God, and keeping that heart open.

Exactly. The beauty of developing the things that we mentioned to develop in question number two of this session are innumerable. It is also so important that we understand that these practices are far more important as heartfelt desires than they are as just a rote practice, and the same applies to prayer. Prayer that comes from your mind rises no higher than your head and prayer that comes from your heart gets to God's Heart. These are the things we need to understand about God, that God is constantly responding to the soul of humanity, individually, to each individual person's soul. God's not responding to the ritual. Do you think it matters to God whether you get baptised or not? Do you think it matters to God whether you get married in a church or not? Do you think it matters to God whether you take the bread and the wine every week or not? Do you think any of those things matter to God? In fact, any sacrifice you may make for God doesn't really matter.

What matters is your desire for God, your love of God and God's Ways, your desire for truth, and your desire to keep absorbing the new things that God has to teach you. They're the things that matter to God. That's what establishes a real relationship. It's like you and me; if we just had a ritual every week that we went and had a bucket of chips (Laughter) down at our local ... (Laughter)

**Clare:** Down at Utopia. (Laughter)

And there was no heart in it; we just made an arrangement that you rock up, I rock up, we don't spend any time knowing each other the rest of the time, we don't get to know each other, we just say, "Oh, how are you? You're alright. How am I? I'm alright." We have our chips and scoff them down and go off, would you consider that in the end a very meaningful relationship? Probably not, and the reality is that God doesn't consider those kind of relationships meaningful at all either.

What God considers meaningful is when, through the exercise of our will that God has given us freely to exercise how we wish, we decide on our own back, without any influence from anybody else and without any pressure from anybody else, we decide on our own back that we want a relationship with God. God's Heart leaps with joy at our own contemplation of that, because the thing that is not God's is our will, and the thing that is not God's is our soul. God has given us the soul and the will to use how we see fit and when we decide to enter this desirable relationship with God that we, through our own will, decide to enter, God's Heart just leaps for joy, because another one of His children has decided for no other reason than they want to, that they want to have a relationship with their Parent.

**Clare:** Ah, it's brilliant, thank you.

Yes, it is brilliant. God's a clever God. (Laughter) God is also very precise in everything God does. That's what I love about God, too, this precision that involves everything. God doesn't let us get away with intellectual reasoning that has no heart. God's not like that. People are like that. Facade is okay with people but facade cannot ever be okay with God and will not ever be okay with God.

5. How can a Christian cope seeing their true soul condition after death?

**Clare:** How can a conventional Christian, who follows everything they've been taught in church in their life and believes that they will arrive in the spirit world into a place of love and light and into the arms of Jesus, cope with the shock of discovering their true soul condition and their actual growth in love and the error of the teachings they received?

Yes, this is an interesting question, Clare, because it sort of pre-supposes that, once they enter the spirit world, a person even reflects upon the difference between what they've been promised and what they've ended up having. The reality is that for the majority of people, when they end up in the spirit world, they have an experience, but then they start justifying to themselves why they have that experience.

If we look at the average Christian's passing: now here I'm talking about a Christian who hasn't really had the heart of religion touch them. In other words they've practiced the rules and tenets of their church, they've rigidly followed what they believe is their interpretation of the Bible, but the love part of the religion's faith hasn't really touched their heart; that's the kind of person I'm talking about now.

When they pass into the spirit world they often realise they are not in the arms of Jesus as they were promised. Generally they don't meet Jesus, and often they are in a place of semi-darkness or darkness in the spirit world; it depends how moral they've been as to where they'll be. If they've been quite moral on the earth they'll probably end up in the middle of the first sphere or near the top end of the first sphere of the spirit world. If they have been a little immoral or they've been judgemental or been induced to have other kinds of emotions because of their knowledge of what they believe is the truth, then they'll be usually a bit lower in the spirit world as a result.

Now, if we look at where they arrive: they arrive now in the spirit world, they realise they're not in the arms of Jesus, they're not in some kind of paradisiacal condition that they expected, and some of them even do, literally, expect to be playing harps as angels with Jesus or whatever. Of course I'd be pretty bored with that kind of behaviour every day but they haven't considered that. But they pass into this location where it was nothing like they expected.

Usually the very first thing that such a person does is begin to justify to themselves why they're not in the location they expect. They don't say to themselves, "I'm in this location because there was obviously a lack of love, or, there's a lack of heart in my practices." They don't say that. They go, "Oh, there's something wrong with my practices," or, "There's something wrong with what I was taught," or they'll go through another series of justifications like, "Maybe I'm just in a temporary location; maybe I need to do some extra things and I'll get into the location that I've been promised."

They have all sorts of specific belief systems that would cause them to remain stagnant and to not accept that there is a major shock. In other words, the physical surroundings show them that something is wrong but because they can't emotionally and intellectually cope with the fact that something's wrong, because they're not humble enough, they won't even let themselves be shocked.

**Clare:** Wow, that's real denial.

That is real denial, yes, and you'll be surprised at how many people from all sorts of religious denominations arrive in the spirit world in that level of denial, huge levels of denial.

It will now take some time between getting from this condition of almost total denial that everything they've been promised hasn't worked out, into a condition where they realise that the reason why it hasn't worked out is because the love part of the religion did not touch their heart. That time period, is often a very long one. It's usually the longest time period of a person's progress. There's generally only one other time period as long, and that is the time period wherein a person becomes satisfied about where they are. These two problems, the denial period of their life and the self-satisfied period of their life, are the two primary causes of lack of progression both on earth and in the spirit world.

Usually a person who arrives in the spirit world arrives in one or both of those conditions, and as a result it can take a long period of time before they will even admit to themselves that the teachings they imbibed on earth weren't satisfied and did not come true. Now, that applies to the average person who passes from this earth to the spirit world.

I do not classify a Christian who has a heart-based religion, for love, as the average person. They are completely different to the average person, as is the Muslim who has a heart-based religion for love; he's completely different to the average person as well. When you have love guiding your heart and soul, now you also have a semblance or generally at least a smidge of humility, and as a result you can admit to yourself the shock of, "It's not how I expected," and then you begin to ask questions. "Why isn't it how I expected? What happened to cause it to be not how I expected?" and so forth. As a result of these questions you get to have the answers given to you from spirits who have already learnt the answers to those questions.

My suggestion to any person who passes into the spirit world where their expectations of the spirit world aren't the same as their actual location, my feeling is all they need to assess is: "Is what I expected it to be, exactly what it is now?" If it is not, have the humility to see that what you believed was obviously false and there is some truth you need to imbibe, and you need someone to tell you what that is, someone who knows, to tell you what that is. That, to me, is the best method of how to cope with the process of passing and any shock you may experience in passing.

Of course to do that requires a certain amount of self-analysis. You need to be able to say to yourself, "That's what I believed on earth and that didn't happen; that's what I believed on earth and that didn't happen either; and that's what I thought on earth and that still didn't happen. All of these things didn't happen so something's wrong." It requires some kind of self-analysis to be able to go, "Something's wrong."

Now, the next step after that is the critical step. Realise something's wrong and then ask for assistance from somebody who's brighter than yourself, who might know the answers to those questions. The majority of people don't want to do that, for all sorts of reasons. They don't want to admit that what they thought was right, was actually wrong; they don't want to have the humility to change; they want to hold onto the false beliefs even though it is patently obvious that it is wrong. It is blatantly obvious in the spirit world, often, that something is wrong with their belief systems on earth but they don't want to admit that to themselves. That's a lack of humility and if we have a lack of humility we're going to struggle very much in the spirit world because we're not going to want external assistance. If you don't want external assistance in the spirit world you have no hope of progressing, ever, because the only type of assistance you will ever get is from a spirit or guide or God. These are all external assistances. If we feel that we can resolve all of the questions by ourselves, within ourselves, we will be greatly mistaken and we'll stay stagnant for long periods of time in the spirit world.

**Clare:** Something incidental just came to my mind. Do you keep your guide when you pass?

Yes. Your guide often remains with you after you've passed, depending on your condition of course. If your condition is equal to your guide then of course they're more like your friend than your guide, but if your condition is not as loving as your guide's condition then your guide will continue to endeavour to guide you in the spirit world.

However, the majority of people who are Christian believe that if an angel of light comes to them and tells them something beyond what they have already learnt in the Bible - and in fact there is a scripture in the Bible that says this - that they should reject them. So when their guide, their angel of light, comes to them, and says, "I'm your guide, I've been with you all of your life, I know all of your life," they say, "Sorry, you must be of the devil. The Bible talked to me about people like you. I'm not going to listen to you. Get away from me, you worker of lawlessness," and they quote all these scriptures, and the poor spirit who's been looking after that person on earth all of their life has to walk away and wait until the person who's passed has the willingness to actually go, "Oh, maybe that person was my guide. Maybe there are such things as guides even (laughter), and maybe I should ask him if he's brighter than me, and remember what Jesus said about brightness, 'Let your brightness shine.' He's brighter than me, so maybe I should have listened to him," and then ask him back.

Sometimes I've seen that happen two hundred years after. During that time the person who's passed feels like they've got no-one to guide them but they're rejecting their own guide. That's a frequent occurrence, particularly amongst Christians because of these Bible beliefs that they imbibe while they are on earth. When they pass they remember them of course. They actually remember them more easily because their mind is a lot clearer as a result of the operations of the spirit body; they remember a lot of these quotations even more clearly than they did on earth, and then as a result of that they decide to embrace that belief system, still trusting the Bible as God's Word but preventing them from further progression for long periods of time.

It's usually only love that gets them out of that condition. When I say love, the love they have, if it exists, to want to connect to God or, more often, it is the love they have of wanting to connect to others, other people. That love drives them to find out some things, find out some more truth, and then in finding out more truth they realise that it is still available to them, and so forth, and what they believe to be true is not true. It's usually some kind of growth or expansion in their soul, of love, that causes them to have the awakening of their soul as it were.

For the majority of people who pass, and particularly for the majority of Christians who pass, if love hasn't been the governing factor of their practice of religion on earth then love won't be the governing factor of their practice of religion in the spirit world. They'll arrive in a very dark condition as a result and then as a result of that dark condition it will only be a series of events that occur, over a long period of time generally, that causes them to realise that love hasn't been the guiding factor in their life. It causes them to open their heart to love, and once their heart is open to love, then they start engaging progression in a more rapid way. The problem in the spirit world is gaining the awakening, and gaining the awakening is all about humility or a lack of it; it's the lack of humility that causes the inability to have an awakening.

Again, as I said about the daily practices that we mentioned in Question Two I think it was, those daily practices will help us not only now but also after we pass, to gain this awakening of our soul to the extent that we're willing to conceive things that we have previously believed were true but now, which our life is demonstrating to us, can't have been true.

My suggestion to the average person of any religious faith is, "When you find after you've passed that what you believed in your religious faith hasn't worked out to be true, then immediately say to yourself, 'Alright, there are things I need to learn and be humble enough to ask for help to learn,' and when a brighter spirit comes to you, instead of dismissing them as an angel of the devil, listen to them and learn from them." (Chuckling)

6. How can we learn to trust and feel God as a real experience?

Well I suppose there are two aspects to this question, aren't there? Firstly there is feeling the soul of God and the second part, which I feel is very important to this question, is trusting that God is the source of those experiences. The second is probably very much more difficult to achieve than the first in some ways because there are many spirits masquerading as gods who wish to engage humans in their addictions in order to have certain emotions met on the spirit's side.

Sometimes we long for God to come. Someone like Neale Donald Walsch, for example, longed for God to come to him and because of certain addictions that he has, a spirit, not a very developed spirit, claimed to be God. He came to him and claimed to be God and started channelling, if you like, through this mediumship process, all of these "truths" to Neale Donald Walsch that Neale Donald Walsch now believes as completely true.

Now that 'god' who channelled to Neale Donald Walsch wasn't God because the truths that that spirit channelled to Neale Donald Walsch were very limited when it comes to the actual truths of the universe. Also, he channelled a lot of false teachings such as reincarnation to Neale Donald Walsch; he told Neale Donald Walsch he had had six hundred previous lives or so on and so forth, all of which is false.

This is an indication that it was just a spirit who set himself up as God channelling all of this material to Neale Donald Walsch, and Neale Donald Walsch was willing to accept it was God without consideration of anything else. When I say, 'without consideration of anything else,' it's the consideration of three primary things that will determine whether the connection is with God or not. They are love, truth and humility; the same three things we keep mentioning.

You see, if the teaching that is being channelled from a spirit to a person on Earth does not contain love then it can't be from God. If the teaching channelled from the spirit world is not able to be demonstrated through truth, then it can't be from God, and if the teaching results in the person on Earth becoming arrogant and self-satisfied and self-important, then the teaching can't be coming from God.

The reality is that many of these so-called channelling's from God that exist on Earth today never came from God. They came from spirits setting themselves up either as intermediary between God and man or as God themselves; they believed themselves to be God and they channelled all of this information about what they believed truth to be.

That then raises the question, as you said, "How do I know that I'm actually connecting with God?" Well the connection with God, as we know, is established through the connection of the Holy Spirit. I know you have a question about the Holy Spirit coming, so I won't elucidate too much about the question. But the Holy Spirit is a Spirit of Truth; it requires you to be in a condition of complete personal truth and honesty with yourself before you'll be able to connect with anything to do with God. In addition it's dependent on humility and longing.

Now God feels our true longings, not our facade. We can have a facade of longing for God and all we're going to attract in a facade is spirits who interpret or - what's the word I'm looking for, imitate - who imitate God, or attempt to at least imitate God. It is not going to be God Herself because while we're in our facade we can only attract a facade. In other words, while I'm trying to practice a facade myself I am only going to attract a 'god,' who is really a spirit in the facade of God, who is trying to be God themselves and claiming to be God themselves. That's a very dangerous thing to do of course, because then we're not connecting with God at all.

If we are in our facade, the best thing we do first is get out of our facade, to become real about ourselves; that's humility. We need to become humble about what's really in us. When we become humble about what's really in us, we now have the ability to petition God in our humility to receive truths, and we also have the ability to receive Divine Love from God if we're out of our facade.

The majority of people who connect to God are not out of their facade, or, I should say more clearly, the majority of people who attempt the connection with God are in addictions that they wish God to supply to them during the connection. As a result of that it's highly unlikely they will ever connect to God because God requires us to be in a state of truth in order to connect to God; truth and humility and longing for God's Love.

So the question you ask is a very important question if you look at it this way because there are so many external influences that can imitate themselves as being God that the average person may even accept. I know many Christians who say to me, "I hear God's voice every day. And God said to me, you know that scripture Isaiah 24 ..." and they ream off what God said to them. And I'm going, "I'm sorry, my friend, but it's a spirit who's claiming to be God that you want to believe is God who's saying these things to you. That's all it is because if it were God, you wouldn't even hear the voice. It has to be a soul-to-soul connection for it to be God. And God does not have the voice that appears in your mind or in your ear. That's not how God works, ever."

And they of course don't agree with that, and generally wait until the spirit world ...

**Clare:** "Oh you were right!" (Laughs)

... and find out that that was correct. At some point they often actually finish up meeting the spirit who was dropping all these words into them, if the spirit who is doing it was humble enough to even admit that he was doing it.

But the real God, the God that is our Parent and Creator, communicates with us soul-to-soul through this connection of the Holy Spirit, and the connection with the Holy Spirit is maintained through three states within ourselves. The first one is a state of humility, which is a state of being open and willing to see every error and fault within ourselves and also, by the way, every good and positive thing within ourselves. The state of truth, the passionate desire for Divine Truth to enter our heart and the state of longing for the true God, the real God's Love to enter our heart.

Now in the first century I said, "God does not give us a snake when we ask for something else." Instead God gives us exactly what we ask for. If what we're asking for is a facade we'll get one. If we're asking for a god who feeds our addictions, we'll get a spirit who we think is God feeding our addictions. If we truly ask for a God who loves us and who wants to share truth with us and is willing to connect to us in our humility, that's when we'll get the real God.

So you can see that it requires ... I'm sorry I just need to stop for a second - Now, where were we up to? (Laughs) You can't remember!

**Clare:** Yes, yes, just remember you were talking about when God said ...

Oh about ...

**Clare:** If you're wanting a snake He doesn't send ... No, if you're wanting a fish He doesn't send you a snake.

Yes. It's what you ask for is what you get. But it's what you ask for from your soul, not from your mind. See, your mind might go, "Yes I'd like a bit of God's Love." But your soul is going, "Yes, really what I want is not to have to face any personal emotions. I don't want to have to face any personal untruth that I have. I don't want to have to change my life. I don't want to have to change my relationships or whatever else. I don't want to have to become more loving. Give me whatever it is you can give me with that!" (Laughs) And of course that's the prayer coming out of your soul and so that's what you get. Under those circumstance you'll often get a heap of spirits with you, many of them dark, connecting with you, imitating God or attempting to imitate God so that you think or believe that they are God and you finish up hearing and getting all of your addictions, everything you want, met through those particular things. Of course it doesn't last for a long period of time because it can't.

When we truly go to God with a completely pure heart we will always get God. That's one of the laws of the Universe in fact. But it requires that our heart is sincere and pure and that is the problem. The problem for most people is that they believe their heart is sincere and pure when at the same time it's quite clear to God that they're not sincere or purely motivated. Under those circumstances the Holy Spirit cannot connect and instead other spirits who were people who used to live on Earth connect instead, and those spirits may tell them all sorts of things. Some of those things may be good for their progression and some of those things may be bad. But they won't be connecting with God.

To connect with God requires pure, unadulterated passion and desire in the direction of truth and love. That's what it requires from our soul. That's why the majority of people have an initial influx of God's Love and then never experience that again because they never reach the same condition of desire, passionately desiring truth and a passionate desire for God that's purely motivated. They 'rest on their laurels' of the past experience.

The only way that we can tell whether we're really connecting with God is if our motive is pure. It's not what we think our motive is; it's what our motive actually is that drives the connection. God always perfectly responds to our motivation, whether our motivation is pure or not. By that, what I mean is, God responds by saying, "No, I can't respond to a motivation that's impure." Instead we will get other people responding to that impure motivation.

**Clare:** So would you pray for purity?

Definitely. Pray for integrity, pray for honesty with yourself. Pray for purity. All of these qualities that are ultimately a part of our soul can be prayed for and God will respond to these prayers.

**Clare:** You can be in a state of impurity but you recognise that and you just don't know which way you're going so ...?

And that's the state of purity; being in a state of impurity and knowing where you're impure is a humble state.

In that humble state you can go to God and know that you're going to get God.

You don't have to be perfect. You just have to be honest. That's why the Holy Spirit's called the Spirit of Truth because you have to be truthful; you have to be honest; not only with yourself but also with God and everyone around you. That's the only time that you'll get a connection with God.

Now the majority of people do not make that connection happen very frequently because it is rare that we're actually really completely honest with ourselves. It's rare that we really have a strong desire to do anything. If we look at our day-to-day life, as I encouraged in a recent talk that I gave called "What is your treasure?", and you actually analyse how many hours you spend longing for God compared to how many hours you spend longing to watch the television, often you will find that the longing to watch the television is much higher than your longing to connect with God.

And God's really feeling what? Would God be feeling, "Yes I feel like I'm really wanted in your life"? No. God's feeling like, "No what you really want is your telly. So I'll give you a bigger one." (Laughs) You're not going to get God though in that interaction because God knows your true motivations. Even if you are not willing to admit to them, God knows them.

Now if my longing is to watch telly for twenty hours a week and my longing to connect to God is for two hours a week, how important is God to me? Well, not very important I would suggest. And if God's not that important to me, which kind of God is going to respond to my request when I give it? Can you see that if I've got a request that lacks integrity, purity, and desire, then aren't I only going to attract a spirit who answers who's willing to accede to my lack of integrity, accede to my lack of impurity and accede my lack of desire? God certainly isn't going to respond.

Now that spirit may claim to be God, but it's immaterial and I'm just fooling myself if I believe that I can spend two hours a week longing for God and actually get God. I'm really just fooling myself. If I find that I spend more time watching the television than I do connecting with God then I'm just fooling myself as to God's importance to me in my life. I'm just fooling myself, and if I'm fooling myself, surely I'm going to attract a spirit who's willing to fool me as well. Yes. But God wouldn't be willing to do such; God wouldn't connect under those circumstances.

This is where it requires a lot of honesty with self and a lot of personal integrity, a lot of self-analysis to see, "Is my desire really pure?" Now if it's not, you can make it so. You can turn it into a pure desire. If you find yourself watching twenty hours of television a week, and you spend one hour praying a week, if you find yourself with what I would classify as a priority issue inside of yourself, then you can swap it over to be twenty of God a week and two hours of television a week quite easily through your desire, through the exercise of your will. You could change if you so desired.

But a lot of times it's our addictions that are driving our actions in our day-to-day life and a lot of times we don't want to break our addictions and so we don't desire, and again, that really comes down to whether our desire for God is pure. When we have a pure desire for God that's driven by a longing and humble heart that desires truth, God always answers. Always. If God's not answering or a different god is answering, it's because of the impurity in one of those three things; impurity with regard to our humility, our lack of desire for truth, or our lack of desire to have a relationship with God and actually receive God's Love.

7. Does God delegate inspiration to Celestial angels and other souls?

**Clare:** Does God delegate spiritual inspiration and grace to Celestial angels and other souls more developed in love?

Okay, well let's define grace and compare it to spiritual inspiration. Grace, to me, is the part of God that is God's Love and God does not delegate Grace to any spirit in the spirit world. That doesn't mean that these spirits don't have a grace of their own; it just means that the Grace that comes from God, which is all about the reception of God's Love, and forgiveness that comes with the Grace of God's Love, that can only be given by God and no other spirit. There is no intermediary that can be established for the reception of Grace into the human soul.

Grace comes directly from God and enters the human soul through the connection with the Holy Spirit. There is no other way in which a human can receive Grace from God, and God doesn't pass Grace to a third party in order to get it to you. In fact, the Laws governing the use of the Holy Spirit, which is a conduit if you like between God and us, govern it in such a way that it can only connect between God and one person, in terms of a soul. It can get to millions of them at the same time but it won't go via that person to another. It can only be a direct connection between God and your soul, God and my soul, not between God, your soul and then to my soul. That does not occur, ever.

The Holy Spirit is only capable of this connection between God on one end and one human soul, or billions of human souls, on the other end. It's a one-to-one connection in the sense that God feels everything you feel and if you're open to it you will be able to feel as much as you're able to cope with of what God feels.

That's the expression of God's Grace, and God does not delegate that to any spirit or any other living person, including Jesus. The Holy Spirit is not an entity so it's not even delegated to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is an energy conduit between God; it's one of God's energies that allows the transmission of Grace, the transmission of Divine Love, from God to the human soul.

The second part of the question, though, is about inspiration, and the reality is that God always gives inspiration via spirits of higher development than ourselves and sometimes even from spirits of lower development than ourselves, and people on Earth of lower development. It just depends on their gifts that they have at the time. For example, let's say I have the gift of playing music and I'm often just inspired when I'm playing music. I might have darkness about me in other aspects of my life but when I'm in my music I can feel this connection with God, I can feel inspired. In that place spirits will inspire me to write things with my music, and they might be spirits who are in a dark place or in a bright place depending on my condition and what I attract at the time, but I'll receive inspiration from anybody in the spirit world and that will inspire what I write in my music.

Now, if my condition is such that I desire to be inspired by people who have a greater condition of love than myself then there's a high likelihood I will attract such spirits in my day-to-day life, but again, it has to be a sincere attraction. It can't be something that I just think in my mind. It has to be what I desire in my soul; it has to be a pure, unadulterated desire for inspiration. God often delegates this inspiration and in fact God inspires us in many different directions, not directly, but by asking spirits who are more closely connected with God, to give us the inspiration that God cannot share with us because we refuse to connect to God. While we allow a connection with a spirit but don't allow the connection with God, God is asking the spirit to try to help us to connect to God.

So God is using all of the tools at God's disposal, and there are many hundreds and hundreds of tools. In my opinion there are many millions of tools that God has at His disposal in order to give us inspiration, to move us in a direction that's positive for our soul. Some of these tools are the Laws of the Universe that God's already created. The Law of Attraction is a tool, for example, and the Law of Cause and Effect. The Law of Attraction is a great tool because it causes our soul to attract to us events that tell us whether we were in or out of harmony with love when we acted. The Law of Cause and Effect is a great law, too, because it tells us that if we do something that results in harm to ourselves then obviously something in the doing must have been unloving, and that gives us a message.

God also inspires creatures around us, not only other humans and other spirits, who are basically human anyway, but also creatures around us, to inspire us. For example, if my house is full of vermin, God is telling me something through that process, something to do with my soul that I can think upon and reflect upon. If I notice that a bird's attacking the window, God is telling me something through this process. It's just a bird operating with the effect of my own soul attacking the window, but it's telling me something about my own soul and its condition, and if I'm willing to be open to experiencing what it's all about I'll find out the answer to why that's occurring.

Greater inspiration than that is directly from spirits who are our friends, who love us and care for us and who are our friends. That kind of inspiration can be much more direct and also much clearer, and God often guides spirits who are in higher development than ourselves, to try to connect with us by dropping thoughts into our mind and also, if our mind is open to such things, by helping us with different events in our lives to see different things, see different books, have different experiences, so that we become aware of something that we weren't previously aware of. God is always inspiring us in that direction and when we personally shut down our relationship with God, God then reverts to everything else at God's disposal to try to help open that relationship again. That's what God's doing with all humanity right now, yes.

It's a beautiful thing that firstly God's Grace only comes directly from God to us, because then we're assured that this is a direct connection with God, but it's also a beautiful thing that God asks all of the people who are connecting with God to help inspire us to embrace this relationship with God. God's got so many tools at His disposal and most people on Earth have no awareness whatsoever of the number of tools at His disposal. In fact, most people on Earth sort of view them just as normal events happening or something like that. They don't see them as God-directed inspirations but the reality is that if you could see what was operating in the spirit world you would see all of these God-directed inspirations occurring at every single moment for every single individual, whoever lives on the planet and also whoever lives in the spirit world.

**Clare:** Wow. Does the same thing happen to some of the darker spirits? Are they helped similarly?

Yes, exactly the same way. They can't connect to God because of their condition and their refusal to desire such a relationship but there's all these external events happening at the same time, all these Laws, all these spirits coming back and forward, trying to influence them into a state of becoming aware. God never gives up on anyone. There's no such thing as a person who's completely excommunicated from God; no such thing can ever exist in fact. God never excommunicates anybody from having a relationship with God, under any circumstances, but God always governs the relationship through the Law. Laws govern all relationships and for us to have a relationship with God we obviously need to embrace the Laws that such relationships involve. However, even if we choose to not do that, God is still trying to communicate with us through all of the other parts of the Universe, giving us inspiration and all sorts of directions to try and lead us back to God.

**Clare:** Oh, that's wonderful.

Yes, it is wonderful. (Laughter)

**Clare:** Thank goodness! (Laughter)

Yes, thank goodness, like without it the majority of us, including myself, would never have got to God. (Laughter) Yes.

8. Does God connect directly to us through the Holy Spirit?

Yes. In fact it is the only way that I know of at this point in time that God connects directly to us, through the Holy Spirit. That's why I called it the Holy Spirit because of the term "holy" meaning pure, perfect, without sin. The reason why I called it the Holy Spirit, or the feeling that I had at the time when I called it that name, was that it was the most important energy coming from God. I saw it as more important than the creative energy coming from God; more important than the maintenance type of energy that comes from God, this energy that carries Divine Love to the human soul. It carries only Divine Love to the human soul. The Holy Spirit has no other operation. It doesn't create; the Holy Spirit has no purpose in creation as the Bible claims. The Holy Spirit doesn't create; God creates through a creative energy and force, which is separate to the Holy Spirit itself.

The Holy Spirit does have creative actions, but the Holy Spirit itself is an energy, a conduit, for the flow of Love, and not just the flow of any love. It's the flow of God's Love into us, transforming us into God's substance. In other words, the substance of God's Love enters our soul and transforms our soul. If you could actually look at the soul you would see the transformation taking place in the soul and in fact, spirits in the soul union condition see that transformation taking place as the soul receives Divine Love from God.

What happens is that the soul itself is transformed from the human soul, the image of God, into the substance of a Divine soul, now not just the image of God but rather the image that contains a part of God's substance, which is a completely different creature actually. In fact the majority of people in the spirit world, but only above the 6th dimension of the spirit world, begin to see that different creature and in fact spirits of the 6th dimension often think of these spirits in a higher location as being different creatures; they don't consider that they could be the same creature.

**Clare:** And that's the transformation that we often hear about and desire, this transformation. You do become a completely new creature.

That's right. You do become a completely new creature that's Divine in its nature. You are not God and you will never be such but a part of God's substance, Love, is now within you to a degree that you've become at-one with God in the way you love. This at-onement with God in the way that you love - it doesn't mean you might not make other mistakes because you will; you may not have other knowledge because you will continually gather more knowledge. You're not perfected in knowledge when you're at-one with God; you're perfected in love. It's love that is the underlying guidepost of what happens when you become at-one with God. When you become at-one with God ... now that you're at-one with God your soul has actually got completely different characteristics and nature to what it had before; it has abilities that it never had, and that it can never have, just as a completed human soul.

It's the entry of the Divine, the entry of God's Love that's entering you, that causes these transitions in the soul. It changes the very formation of the soul itself and adds to its capacities and abilities to such an extent that the soul's capacities and abilities become God-like. This is the transformation that occurs that I called the New Birth and that I referred to as being Born Again. Now, that's the work of the Holy Spirit; that's why the Holy Spirit is a Holy Spirit (smiling), because the work of this Holy Spirit is to cause the transformation of the human soul. The Holy Spirit doesn't operate on any creature other than the human and God. It's a connection on one end to God and on the other end to the human soul. There is no other creature and no other intermediary that can connect to the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit at this point in time, and I say at this point in time because it's not known in the future whether there might not be other attributes of God which God gives to us as gifts, as God gave Divine Love to us as a gift ... In the future there might be other attributes of God that God may give to us as a gift, and they might have a different type of energy that needs to be connected in order for their gift to flow between God's Soul and our own. But the Holy Spirit is this gift that opens up everything. It's the energy, the conduit, which the Love can flow through and it's the only connection that we can have directly with God, at this point in time. It is also the primary one to experience because without it the transformational effects of Divine Love won't occur in the human soul and then, of course, any future gift that the human soul might be able to receive from God can't be received either.

So everything is dependent upon our connecting with this Divine Love, having this connection through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a very important energy of God but it is not an entity; it is not God; it is not a part of God in a sense of a free-thinking individual part of God. It is just an energy of God, an attribute of God, a characteristic of God. You could think of it as God's arm being held out to the human soul; that's really what it is.

9. Does believing Jesus IS God make it harder to come to God?

**Clare:** Does the belief that Jesus IS God make it more difficult to feel God directly and find "The Way" home?

Well, it's an interesting question this one, because a lot of people intellectually believe that Jesus is God while at the same time emotionally not accepting the belief. It really depends on whether the belief has been somehow imbibed in the soul as to how it controls their relationship with God. Now, if a person sincerely in their soul believes that I am God, or that Jesus is God, then they will have a lot of difficulty ever becoming at-one with God. They will never become at-one with God while that belief remains in their soul, in fact. But if they have the belief in their mind but not in their soul, sooner or later they'll realise that it's not a belief that they actually feel, and that when they were connecting with who they call "Jesus," they felt at the time they were actually connecting with God and not Jesus, and under those circumstances they do connect with God and not Jesus.

So, yes, the answer to the question is 'yes' in its core level. At the soul level if a person believes that Jesus is God it is going to severely impact upon their ability to grow towards God and become at-one with God. It also severely impacts upon their impressions of me as Jesus. Like, I am just their brother; I am not their God or Creator. God is my Creator; God is your Creator, which makes us brother and sister. While you see me as God you do not recognise that I am just your brother. That's going to inhibit your future growth in some way sooner or later. It also means that you're going to expect things of me that I can't deliver because only God could deliver such things.

Very many people expect me to deliver things to them that only God or God's Love can deliver to them. But there are also many people in religious faiths, as you know, who say they are Christian and they talk about the Trinity but they don't personally believe it (laughing). They have received Divine Love as a result because their personal belief inside of their heart is that I'm not God, that I'm a person who lived on earth. Many Christians are very much 'not sure' about my relationship to God. They know that somehow I came to explain God to people but they're not sure how that actually occurred, and they don't believe I was God either. Many of them do believe I was a man even though their religious faith teaches differently. Those people of course have very little effect when they realise, when someone comes and tells them, and often it's me who goes and tells them once they've passed, that I'm not God. They go, "Oh, okay, I don't know if I ever believed that either," (laughing) and so it's relatively easy for such people to continue their growth towards God.

However, I have met many others that have had such a strong belief that I am God that when they've asked for Jesus to come to them I've come to them. Then they've told me that I'm not God, which I know I'm not of course, and then they've denied Divine Truth for many years, sometimes hundreds, sometimes thousands of years as a result of that one teaching. So, the belief that Jesus is God has a huge capacity to harm your relationship with God. In a way it's also a blasphemy towards God. You're really saying that God is one of God's creations and that's never the case. God is the Creator of all, not one of the creations, and all I am is one of the creations of God. We're really, in a way, blaspheming the true nature of God or, if we use another word, we're misrepresenting the true nature of God.

Now, we cannot become at-one with God while we misrepresent the true nature of God to ourselves. In other words, in order to become at-one with God we must accept God's definition of God. God's definition of God is not the Trinity, and God's definition of God is not that Jesus is God. God's definition of God is that there is one creator and when you connect with God's Love to a complete extent and stay open and humble without trying to hold onto a book, you eventually realise that. Once you realise that, you have a stronger connection with God because now you believe the truth about the person you're connecting to. It's a bit like you and me. I connected with you and you said to me, "Hi AJ, my name's Clare" and I go, "Hello Rosemary, hello Rosemary" (laughter), and you go, "No, no, no my name's Clare," and I say, "Hello Rosemary" (laughter).

**Clare:** "You live in Canada don't you?" "No, no I live over there." (Laughter)

And I go, "Yes, you live in Canada" and you go, "No, I live in Wilkesdale" and I go, "No, no you live in Canada, I'm sure you do," (laughter) and I don't listen to a single definition that you give me about yourself. How much of a good relationship are we ever going to have? You'll look at me and go, "This man's crazy. (Laughter) He believes a whole heap of things about me that are not true," (laughter) and this is exactly what happens with most people's relationship with God. They believe a whole heap of things about God that are not true and then expect to be close to God.

Now, you can't achieve closeness to somebody while you believe a whole heap of false things about them, just as I can't expect to achieve closeness with you while I believe a whole heap of false things about you. So, my suggestion to people is: we need to come to terms with what God really is rather than believing a whole heap of false things about God. Jesus is not God. If I hold onto the belief that Jesus is God, at some point in my future God's going to say, "Yes, you believe a whole heap of things about Me that are not true, including that Jesus is me, and Jesus isn't me. See, there's Jesus over there," (laughing) and I go, "Yes, here I am, I'm over here; (laughter) I'm not God." At some point in the future the person's going to have to acknowledge that, in order to have a better connection with God.

**Clare:** When they said, in the Scriptures - I'm hoping it's a good Scripture, - "When you see me, you see the Father," is this demonstrating being at-one?

Yes, I said something like that. I said that when you see me you see my Father's qualities mirrored in me. When you become at-one with God you're in complete harmony with God's Love, so everyone around you sees how God would act in the same situation, so in a way, when you see the person who's at-one with God, you can go, "Wow, that's also what God is like." That's what I was saying to people. I was saying to people that once I was at-one with God they could see what God was like just by examining my behaviour with people. They would be able to see how God would treat those people; just by examining my behaviour with themselves, they could see how God would treat them; just by examining my desire for Truth and Love, that's how much God desires Truth and Love.

That's why I said, "I have come to show God to you and anybody who sees me, sees God." These are all true statements but not in the triune God sense. They are in the sense that anybody who sees a person who's at-one with God and acknowledges the qualities and attributes and characteristics of the person who's at-one with God will also, then, if they allow themselves to contemplate, actually see that that is God's nature too. That's what I meant by those kinds of verses, yes.

A lot of them have been manipulated and modified over time of course, but in the end I did say some of these things, or make these statements inferring that if a person observes me in my life, it's the same in a lot of ways as observing what God would do under the same circumstances, because when you're at-one with God you are in complete harmony with the way God expresses Love.

10. How are your parents, Mary and Joseph helping people find God?

**Clare:** Now that we've come to the end, can you tell me a little bit about your first century mother, Mary, and Joseph, and what they're actually doing now?

Sure. How far do you want me to go in this question? (Laughter)

**Clare:** How much time do we have? (Laughter)

Well basically, they've been alive for two thousand years, a bit longer than what I have so (laughter) if I were to relate their entire life that would obviously take some time.

**Clare:** What they're doing, what their projects, say, are now.

Sure. Well they are both, firstly, in the at-onement condition with God and they are also at-one with each other. In other words, they've completed the soul union; they are in the soul union state in what I feel now is the thirty-sixth dimension of the spirit world.

In that state, they have a huge amount of ability of things to do. Now, of course the first thing that we engage in doing in that state is trying to help people on earth to also reach the same state, but the thing is, when you're in a union state, you can manifest thousands of bodies at the same time. You can also manifest bodies on earth at the same time, under certain conditions, lots of them, so you have a way to share Divine Truth and help people have experiences to gather the truth and change in their heart through lots of different, you could call them, manifestations of your own energy. So they do that constantly.

They are also in the complete union state with themselves so they no longer see themselves as Joseph and Mary (laughing). They see themselves as people who once thought of themselves as Joseph and Mary. They still remember all of their experiences of course, right through those two thousand years or so of their existence and they spend the majority of their time sharing Divine Truth with other people in the spirit world, in lower dimensions than they themselves exist in. There is a large amount of work to be done still. Like, if you consider, there are seven billion on the planet. There are also about thirty billion people in the spirit world at this point in time who have incarnated and left the earth, and of those billions the majority of them haven't even received God's Love. When I say the majority, there's only a few billion that have received God's Love. In terms of percentages, only a few percent of the entire population that's ever lived on this planet have actually received God's Love.

That means there's a lot of work to do. Unfortunately a lot of the work revolves around shifting people from conditions of a lot of resistance and a lot of denial, and that generally requires a lot of effort as well, so they're spending their time educating as they go. But it's not only that, it's also like, each time you progress through a dimension, obviously the new dimension has a whole heap of new truth associated with it: it's like a universe in its own right. In this universe there's a whole heap of new truths about God and about God's Universe that you can discover. Now, if you have been a spirit who's lived in that universe, or that dimension, for a long period of time and absorbed a lot of God's Love, you understand a lot of that universe. But a person who's in the universe below, or the sphere or dimension below you, they don't know any of those things and, somehow, you want to help them to know so that they can get to enjoy the same amount of happiness and love that you enjoy.

So, a large part of your work is educating other spirits to come to understand and know, at a soul level not at an intellectual level, the things that you have come to understand and know. They are helping a lot of spirits at this point in time to attempt to engage the soul union condition, because at the moment I'm not there and Mary's not there to help people to engage with those particular things as much as we could be, but there are other spirits now who've reached that condition who are trying to assist other spirits in the Celestial spheres to reach that union condition. We see that as a pretty important role because without that occurring it's like this: the more and more we develop in the spirit world, the greater the influence we can have on truth and love on the earth and on any place in the spirit world up to the point where we are developed.

If we're in the union state we have this beautiful ability to help every spirit, billions and billions of people, from that state down to the state of the bottom of the hells, just by our own changes in conditions of love, by our growing, by our discovering new truth. So, that's what they're employed doing as well. They have a large degree of responsibility in that regard, as do some other spirits who've reached the same condition.

They have not reached their condition because they're my mum and dad.

**Clare:** No, they've worked on themselves.

They've had to do it for themselves. They've had to enter this relationship with God for themselves, engage the receipt of Divine Love for themselves, develop humility and a desire for the truth themselves, and if they hadn't done that they wouldn't have reached the condition they're currently in.

**Clare:** And so reports of the apparitions, say in Fatima, in Portugal, and in France in Lourdes and just more recently, they seem to be ..., I don't know whether this is true or not, but the crux is to get people to start praying in that place.

Yes. Sometimes these apparitions are not anything to do with spirits of a Divine nature.

Sometimes these apparitions are church supporters who exist in the spirit world who are trying to increase the longevity of the church. Other times though, they are spirits of a higher nature trying to inspire people to prayer and ...

**Clare:** Especially before there's some terrible war or something, there'll be a ...

Yes, but they are often also spirits that are more concerned about men entering war than the higher spirits are. The higher spirits realise that war is just an effect of the condition of the human soul that is out of harmony with love, and so the higher spirits are more focused on changing the human soul into a condition of love than praying about a war.

**Clare:** Yes, I think they were preventing, I think it was all about prevention and about a transformation ...

Yes, the higher spirits don't want to prevent a war, in the sense that they don't want to physically attempt a deed that would prevent a war.

**Clare:** Okay, it's a waste of energy, more or less.

It is, because the cause of war exists in the human soul in the people who want to go to war, and what the higher spirits want to do is change the human soul so that there's no longer the cause to go to war. The high spirits focus less on physical manifestations and more on helping the human soul change. A lot of these physical manifestations aren't actually apparitions of...

**Clare:** And some of them are a bit creepy. They've got bleeding faces ...

Yes, a lot of them are dark spirits, bleeding faces and all these kinds of things. They are quite dark spirits who do these kinds of things, and they do these kinds of things in order to either scare people back into a religious faith or to suggest to people that their religious faith is the truth. The reality is, no bright spirit above the eighth dimension would appear to anyone on earth in a form like that.

**Clare:** Oh, okay, yes, makes sense.

Any time you see a form where blood coming from it or the so-called marks of the stigmata or so forth, these are all lower level spirits who are ...

**Clare:** Yes, and scent of roses and all that kind of thing.

Yes, sometimes scents can be attributed to higher spirits but oftentimes physical manifestations are not about higher spirits and their actual motivations, but rather they're more about what people on earth expect a higher spirit to do, and of course, because their addictions are impure a lower spirit comes along and does the thing that's expected.

**Clare:** Yes. Oh, very good. And as you were saying, Mary and Joseph now are one anyway so wherever one goes the other one's there, so ...

Well, yes but not in the way in which you think. You see, a unified soul is capable of having multiple spirit and material bodies attached to it at the same time. It may look like they're acting separately but from their own perspective they are unified, in a complete whole, and completely acting harmoniously. It may appear to the person who's interacting that they've talked to Mary or talked to Joseph individually but that's not actually possible when you're in a unified soul. You're just talking to a material manifestation, if you like, of the soul's expression. It's an energy coming from the soul that you're actually talking to, not the soul itself. When you get into that kind of state you're able to absorb hundreds of thousands of conversations all at the same time.

You know how God can absorb billions of conversations at the same time and interact with us as fast as we can feel or think something? When we become at-one with our own soulmate we have the capacity to absorb hundreds of thousands of such conversations at the same time. In other words, we have the ability to interact with hundreds of thousands of people all at the same time at the speed that the person's interacting, but for us that's very slow. That's how my mother and father are, too. They can interact with hundreds of thousands of beings all at the same time because their soul capacity has grown so much, and become more like God's, that they have the ability to have all of these conversations that are real for all the people experiencing them.

**Clare:** They would be inspiring.

Oh, certainly.

**Clare:** They would be an actual source of inspiration for ...

Of course. They're not only a source of inspiration from a personal one-on-one discussion level, but they're also a source of inspiration in that they've reached the soul union condition and therefore a source of inspiration to any spirit who has yet to reach that condition. They're a source of inspiration on many levels, not just on a physical level of sharing truth or sharing love with a person in any of the dimensions below their existence.

**Clare:** Wow, up to the thirty-sixth level. Gee!

Yes, as far as I'm aware at this point. (Laughter) Like, I went through a stage a few months ago of just having some greater awareness about my spirit life and as a result realising that there were more transitions than twenty-two, realising that there are actually transitions that happened at every seventh boundary that included incorporating some of God's attributes and qualities into the human soul. I remembered the process of entering the fifteenth dimension and receiving the ability to create, to create living creatures. Not souls, not human souls, but living creatures that had life and a spirit body and a material body. I had the ability to create, whereas I never had that ability to create that before that time. While I was alive on earth in the first century I did not have that ability.

And then I realised that each transition that we went through, every seventh sphere transition, had additional abilities that God had that you didn't have prior to that transition, and once you made that transition the abilities changed. It was the soul union condition, the thirty-fifth to thirty-sixth sphere transition, that myself and Mary engaged together. That is a unique transition because it also opens you to seeing souls for the first time. Up until that time you can only see souls through your soul perception, through your ability to perceive their existence, but after that point you can physically see them. You can see what they look like and how they grow and how Divine Love transforms them and so forth. That ability only comes through the unification of the two halves.

So yes, there's memory, if you like, of the different transitions and what each transition involves, which one day I'll discuss with people when they're ready for such discussion (laughter). It's probably better as well that we get into the same condition again before we discuss them because then we can demonstrate them. It's far more powerful to demonstrate it than it is to discuss.

That's partly what these spirits, including my mother and father, are all interested in doing as well, making this transformation occur on Earth so that Divine Love is offered as a conscious offering to every individual who's ever lived, rather than at the moment it being a distorted thing that's offered. There are things in the Bible and other holy books that indicate that Divine Love is now available but are not clear in how to receive it and all those kind of things. It's important that we discuss these fundamental truths first and then we can extend to the other truths about the universe and the growth of your soul.

**Clare:** Wonderful!

Thanks for your time in asking me these questions, Clare.

**Clare:** Thank you very much. It was a wonderful experience.

Yes, if we get some more questions about the great Christianity as well, if you think of them, we're happy to answer more of them. We just feel that, we know that, there are many spirits in the spirit world that have shifted listening to these questions, so it's been wonderful that we've had the ability to answer the questions as we have, and I'm sure many of them will have more questions as well, questions about doctrine for example, that I'm very happy to answer as well as we proceed in the future.

**Clare:** Fabulous.

But thanks for your time.

**Clare:** Oh, thank you very much. (Laughing)

Yes, my pleasure, my pleasure. (Laughing)

Appendix: FAQ Outline

Divine Truth FAQ Outline - 20130304 Religion Christian S02

1. How can heart-felt false beliefs & false doctrines be overcome?

They are overcome by being open to receiving God's Love, and allowing this Love to transform the belief systems into more loving beliefs that are in harmony with the Love received.

2. What daily practices could a sincere Christian follow to enhance their worship and soul development in love?

There are five primary daily practices that I would recommend to all persons, not in order of importance, and not just for Christians:

2.1 Develop A Love For God: Rather than being driven by fear of God, daily focus on developing a love for God, and a desire to understand God's Loving Nature and Qualities. Ask yourself how you can imitate these qualities in your day to day life, and talk to God about developing a desire to know everything about Her, just as you want to be known by Him. Remove all beliefs within yourself that contradict the concept of a Loving Divine being.

2.2 Love Your Neighbour As Yourself: Every time we judge our brother or sister, or feel angry, violent, or have any other unloving emotions towards any other person on earth or in the spirit world, we do not our neighbour. Our lack of love of our neighbour prevents us from having a relationship with God. Do something every day that is a sincere expression of your love for others, even those whom you do not know.

2.3 Develop humility: This means to be open emotionally to every experience, painful or pleasurable. Do not blame others for painful experiences, but see that painful experiences are the creation of something within that is out of harmony with God's Love or Truth that must be released from the soul. Be open to new concepts and ideas, whether no matter what their source, and examine them from the perspective of Love.

2.4 Be Open To Divine Truth: Pray, by developing a sincere heartfelt emotional longing, for the reception of God's Truth, not through reading the Bible, but through humbly seeing that no book can contain the Truth of God. Also be open to God writing these Truths on your heart, on your soul. Be open to change your belief systems into complete harmony with Love.

2.5 Receive Divine Love: Pray, by developing a sincere heartfelt emotional longing, for the reception of God's Love. If you have developed humility and openness to Divine Truth, you will receive Divine Love when you sincerely long for it. This Divine Love will open the heart further, and transform you, and also provide more confirmation about what God's Truth is.

3. When you were baptised in the Jordan River, what do you remember and what was in your heart?

4. In my Christian education, I learnt that sacrament and ritual are a powerful way to access deep personal yearnings for God in the heart and pray these yearnings through actions of the body. Would you please comment on the truth of this belief?

5. How can a conventional Christian who follows everything they have been taught in church in their life, and believes they will arrive in the spirit world into a place of love and light and into 'the arms of Jesus' cope with the shock of discovering their true soul condition and their actual growth in love and the error of the teachings they received?

6. How can we learn to feel the soul of God as a real experience and trust the purity of its source?

7. Does God "delegate" spiritual inspiration and grace to celestial angels and other souls more developed in love than ourselves?

8. Does God connect directly to us through the Holy Spirit?

9. Does the belief that Jesus IS God make it more difficult to feel God directly and find "The Way" home?

10. Please tell us a little about the good work your first century Mother Mary and father Joseph are doing in the Celestial heavens to help people on earth find the path to God through Divine Love.

