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>>> WELCOME BACK TO "VELSHI &
>>> WELCOME BACK TO "VELSHI &
RUHLE."
RUHLE."
I CANT REMEMBER MY NAME, BUT I
CAN REMEMBER THAT VOTING COUNTS.
CAN REMEMBER THAT VOTING COUNTS.
CANDIDATES, THEY ARE BACK ON THE
CANDIDATES, THEY ARE BACK ON THE
CAMPAIGN TRAIL ADDRESSING A
CAMPAIGN TRAIL ADDRESSING A
NUMBER OF ISSUES TODAY INCLUDING
NUMBER OF ISSUES TODAY INCLUDING
GUN CONTROL.
GUN CONTROL.
JUST THIS MORNING, SENATOR CORY
JUST THIS MORNING, SENATOR CORY
BOOKER RELEASED A NEW PLAN
BOOKER RELEASED A NEW PLAN
TACKLING GUN VIOLENCE ACROSS
TACKLING GUN VIOLENCE ACROSS
AMERICA.
AMERICA.
IT IMPLEMENTS A FEDERAL GUN
LICENSING PROGRAM AND BANNING
LICENSING PROGRAM AND BANNING
ASSAULT RIFLES.
ASSAULT RIFLES.
AND BETO OROURKE IS SAYING
AND BETO OROURKE IS SAYING
THERES ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO MOVE
THERES ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH IMPEACHING
FORWARD WITH IMPEACHING
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
THIS STUDY SHOWS THAT A MAJORITY
THIS STUDY SHOWS THAT A MAJORITY
OF AMERICANS, NEARLY 59% SAY
SOCIALISM IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH
SOCIALISM IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH
AMERICAN VALUES.
AMERICAN VALUES.
29% SAY IT IS COMPATIBLE.
AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO THE 2020
AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO THE 2020
ELECTION, A MAJORITY OF
ELECTION, A MAJORITY OF
AMERICANS SAY THE UNITED STATES
SHOULD AMEND THE CONSTITUTIONES
SHOULD AMEND THE CONSTITUTION
AND ELIMINATE A MAJOR STAPLE OF
AND ELIMINATE A MAJOR STAPLE OF
THE ELECTION PROCESS, THE
THE ELECTION PROCESS, THE
ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
IN ORDER TO WIN THE PRESIDENTIAL
IN ORDER TO WIN THE PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION, THE PARTY CANDIDATE
ELECTION, THE PARTY CANDIDATE
MUST RECEIVE 270 ELECTORAL
MUST RECEIVE 270 ELECTORAL
COLLEGE VOTES.
COLLEGE VOTES.
JOINING ME NOW TO BREAK ALL OF
JOINING ME NOW TO BREAK ALL OF
THIS DOWN, NBC NEWS POLITICAL
CORRESPONDENT, AND MONMOUTHAL
CORRESPONDENT, AND MONMOUTH
UNIVERSITY POLLING PROFESSOR.
UNIVERSITY POLLING PROFESSOR.
WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS
EVOLUTION AROUND PEOPLES VIEWS
EVOLUTION AROUND PEOPLES VIEWS
ON THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
ON THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
>> WE GOT A POLL, BRAND-NEW ON
>> WE GOT A POLL, BRAND-NEW ON
THIS QUESTION, THE ELECTORAL
THIS QUESTION, THE ELECTORAL
COLLEGE VERSUS THE POPULAR VOTE.
COLLEGE VERSUS THE POPULAR VOTE.
HOW DO YOU WANT TO PICK THE
HOW DO YOU WANT TO PICK THE
PRESIDENT?
PRESIDENT?
GUESS WHAT, THE POPULAR VOTE
WINS THE POPULAR VOTE, A SMALL
WINS THE POPULAR VOTE, A SMALL
MAJORITY THERE SAY NEVER MIND
MAJORITY THERE SAY NEVER MIND
WHAT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE,
WHAT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE,
LETS GO STRAIGHT TO THE POPULAR
LETS GO STRAIGHT TO THE POPULAR
VOTE.
VOTE.
THERES A PRETTY STARK DIVIDE
THERES A PRETTY STARK DIVIDE
HERE.
HERE.
WHEN YOU BREAK THIS DOWN BY
WHEN YOU BREAK THIS DOWN BY
PARTY, DEMOCRATS AND
PARTY, DEMOCRATS AND
REPUBLICANS, THATS WHERE YOU
REPUBLICANS, THATS WHERE YOU
REALLY SEE IT.
REALLY SEE IT.
LOOK, AMONG DEMOCRATS, BASICALLY
LOOK, AMONG DEMOCRATS, BASICALLY
80% THERE SAYING THEY WANT THE
80% THERE SAYING THEY WANT THE
POPULAR VOTE.
REMEMBER, THEIR CANDIDATE WON
REMEMBER, THEIR CANDIDATE WON
THE POPULAR VOTE BY UPWARDS OF 3
THE POPULAR VOTE BY UPWARDS OF 3
MILLION VOTE AND IS YET IS NOT
MILLION VOTE AND IS YET IS NOT
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT.
AND THAT HAPPENED IN 2000 WITH
AL GORE WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE
AL GORE WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE
AND LOSING THE PRESIDENCY ON THE
AND LOSING THE PRESIDENCY ON THE
REPUBLICAN SIDE, ALMOST THE
REPUBLICAN SIDE, ALMOST THE
EXACT OPPOSITE.
EXACT OPPOSITE.
REPUBLICANS TWICE IN THE LAST 20
REPUBLICANS TWICE IN THE LAST 20
YEARS WON PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS
YEARS WON PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS
THROUGH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IN
THROUGH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IN
SPITE OF LOSING THE VOTE.
SPITE OF LOSING THE VOTE.
WHEN YOU LOOK BACK OVER TIME,
CBS NEWS HAS POLLED THIS AME,
CBS NEWS HAS POLLED THIS A
NUMBER OF TIME, THIS IS 1987,
NUMBER OF TIME, THIS IS 1987,
STRONG SUPPORT, 57% REPUBLICAN,
STRONG SUPPORT, 57% REPUBLICAN,
63% DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT AT THAT
63% DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT AT THAT
TIME FOR THE POPULAR VOTE.
TIME FOR THE POPULAR VOTE.
AT THAT POINT IN HISTORY, THERE
AT THAT POINT IN HISTORY, THERE
WAS NO MODERN EXAMPLE OF A
CANDIDATE WINNING THE PRESIDENCY
CANDIDATE WINNING THE PRESIDENCY
THROUGH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
THROUGH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
AND NOT THE POPULAR VOTE.
AND NOT THE POPULAR VOTE.
IT HAD NOT HAPPENED IN MODERN
IT HAD NOT HAPPENED IN MODERN
TIMES.
TIMES.
YOU HAD STRONG SUPPORT IN BOTH
YOU HAD STRONG SUPPORT IN BOTH
PARTIES.
PARTIES.
THEN IT HAPPENED IN 2000, AND
THEN IT HAPPENED IN 2000, AND
RIGHT THERE, YOU SEE REPUBLICAN
SUPPORT DROPPED FOR THE POPULAR
SUPPORT DROPPED FOR THE POPULAR
VOTE, WHEN GEORGE W. BUSH WON,
VOTE, WHEN GEORGE W. BUSH WON,
PEOPLE SEEMED TO MOVE ON.
PEOPLE SEEMED TO MOVE ON.
THE SUPPORT TICKED BACK UP IN
THE SUPPORT TICKED BACK UP IN
2012.
2012.
AND IN 2016 IT HAPPENED AGAIN.
THE SUPPORT AMONG REPUBLICANS.
THE SUPPORT AMONG REPUBLICANS
HAS DROPPED LIKE A ROCK JUST AS
HAS DROPPED LIKE A ROCK JUST AS
DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT FOR IT HAS
DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT FOR IT HAS
INCREASED IN THE WAKE OF WHATS
INCREASED IN THE WAKE OF WHATS
HAPPENED TO THEM TWO TIMES IN 20
YEARS.ED TO THEM TWO TIMES IN 20
YEARS.
>> IS THE DEBATE AROUND THE
ELECTORAL COLLEGE REALLY AROUND,
ELECTORAL COLLEGE REALLY AROUND,
IS THIS A FAIR SYSTEM, OR IS IT
IS THIS A FAIR SYSTEM, OR IS IT
ENTIRELY POLITICAL.
ENTIRELY POLITICAL.
IF ITS AN UNFAIR SYSTEM BUT IT
IF ITS AN UNFAIR SYSTEM BUT IT
WORKS FOR ME, I WANT TO KEEP IT.
WORKS FOR ME, I WANT TO KEEP IT.
THATS KIND OF THE WAY IT
THATS KIND OF THE WAY IT
SOUNDS.
SOUNDS.
>> I THINK YOU CAN SEE HERE,
>> I THINK YOU CAN SEE HERE,
WHEN THIS WAS -- WHEN THERE WERE
WHEN THIS WAS -- WHEN THERE WERE
NO EXAMPLES FOR PEOPLE TO WORK
NO EXAMPLES FOR PEOPLE TO WORK
OFF OF, WHEN IT WAS MORE
THEORETICAL, I THINK THE
THEORETICAL, I THINK THE
BASELINE ON THIS IS MOST FOLKS
BASELINE ON THIS IS MOST FOLKS
ARE GOING TO AIR ON THE SIDE OF
I LIKE THE POPULAR VOTE.SIDE OF
I LIKE THE POPULAR VOTE.
YOU CAN FIND SOME POLLING FROM
YOU CAN FIND SOME POLLING FROM
THE 1970s, THIS ISSUE CAME UP
THE 1970s, THIS ISSUE CAME UP
BACK THEN.
BACK THEN.
SIMILAR RESULTS.
AS YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE,
AS YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE,
WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL ELECTION
WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL ELECTION
WHERE THIS BECOMES REAL, AND NOT
WHERE THIS BECOMES REAL, AND NOT
ABSTRACT, YOU DO GET TO SEE MUCH
ABSTRACT, YOU DO GET TO SEE MUCH
MORE OF THAT POLARIZATION.
THAT ENTER INTO IT AND THAT
THAT ENTER INTO IT AND THAT
BECOMES AN UNDENIABLE FORCE.
BECOMES AN UNDENIABLE FORCE.
>> DOES POLLING AROUND THIS
>> DOES POLLING AROUND THIS
DEBATE AROUND CAPITALISM VERSUS
DEBATE AROUND CAPITALISM VERSUS
SOCIALISM, DOES IT FORCE US INTO
SOCIALISM, DOES IT FORCE US INTO
AN EITHER/OR THAT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE ARENT LOOKING FOR.RICAN
PEOPLE ARENT LOOKING FOR.
TO SEE CAPITALISM ISNT WORKING
TO SEE CAPITALISM ISNT WORKING
FOR ME IS ONE THING, BUT IT
FOR ME IS ONE THING, BUT IT
DOESNT MEAN THAT SOCIALISM
WILL.T MEAN THAT SOCIALISM
WILL.
AND IT FEELS LIKE THESE KINDS OF
QUESTIONS OR FRAMING IT THISS OF
QUESTIONS OR FRAMING IT THIS
WAY, WONT HELP THE MAJORITY OF
WAY, WONT HELP THE MAJORITY OF
AMERICANS?
AMERICANS?
>> NO.
>> NO.
I THINK THATS WHAT THEYRE
TELLING US.TS WHAT THEYRE
TELLING US.
WE LOOKED AT SOME ISSUES LIKE
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE WHICH HAS
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE WHICH HAS
SUPPORT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO
SUPPORT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO
SUPPORT IT SAY ITS NEITHER
SUPPORT IT SAY ITS NEITHER
SOCIALIST NOR CAPITALIST, THE
SOCIALIST NOR CAPITALIST, THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST IT SAY
ITS SOCIALIST. AGAINST IT SAY
ITS SOCIALIST.
WERE SEEING THIS BECOME A
WERE SEEING THIS BECOME A
PARTISAN ISSUE IN TERMS OF WHAT
TERMS YOU USE. IN TERMS OF WHAT
TERMS YOU USE.
WERE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE
WERE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE
RIGHT NOW, 30% OF THE PUBLIC
RIGHT NOW, 30% OF THE PUBLIC
HAVE NEUTRAL VIEWS ON BOTH
HAVE NEUTRAL VIEWS ON BOTH
CAPITALISM AND SOCIALISM.
CAPITALISM AND SOCIALISM.
THEYRE SAYING CAPITALISM, I
THEYRE SAYING CAPITALISM, I
DONT THINK ITS REALLY WORKING
DONT THINK ITS REALLY WORKING
FOR ME, BUT THESE OTHER IDEAS
FOR ME, BUT THESE OTHER IDEAS
ARE REALLY GOOD.
ARE REALLY GOOD.
DONT CALL THEM SOCIALISM
DONT CALL THEM SOCIALISM
BECAUSE THATS A DIRTY WORD.
BECAUSE THATS A DIRTY WORD.
AND IN FACT I THINK ONE OF THE
AND IN FACT I THINK ONE OF THE
THINGS WERE SEEING FROM THIS
THINGS WERE SEEING FROM THIS
POLL AND FROM OTHERS IS THERE
POLL AND FROM OTHERS IS THERE
ARE TWO WORDS THAT I THINK
ARE TWO WORDS THAT I THINK
REPUBLICANS GOING INTO 2020
REPUBLICANS GOING INTO 2020
WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LOT ON A
WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LOT ON A
CAMPAIGN TRAIL, ONE OF THEM IS
CAMPAIGN TRAIL, ONE OF THEM IS
SOCIALISM AND THE OTHER ONE IS
IMPEACHMENT.D THE OTHER ONE IS
IMPEACHMENT.
I THINK THEY CAN WIN FOLKS OVER.
I THINK THEY CAN WIN FOLKS OVER.
>> STEVE, DO POLITICAL PARTIES
>> STEVE, DO POLITICAL PARTIES
LISTEN TO THINGS LIKE THAT AND
LISTEN TO THINGS LIKE THAT AND
WISE UP TO IT?
WISE UP TO IT?
DO THEY SAY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
DO THEY SAY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
MIGHT LIKE THESE IDEAS, BUT THEY
DONT LIKE THIS LABEL, AND DOTHEY
DONT LIKE THIS LABEL, AND DO
THOSE PARTIES SAY WE NEED TO
THOSE PARTIES SAY WE NEED TO
REBRAND THIS.
REBRAND THIS.
>> THATS INTERESTING TO HEAR
HIM TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM.EAR
HIM TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM.
YOU CAN GO BACK ABOUT A
YOU CAN GO BACK ABOUT A
GENERATION IN AMERICAN POLITICS,
THEY CALLED IT THE "L" WORD BACK
THEY CALLED IT THE "L" WORD BACK
THEN.
THEN.
LIBERAL.
LIBERAL.
EVERY REPUBLICAN RUNNING FOR
OFFICE IN THE 80s WAS TRYING TO
OFFICE IN THE 80s WAS TRYING TO
BRAND THEIR DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT
BRAND THEIR DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT
A LIBERAL.
A LIBERAL.
AND IT WAS BILL CLINTON WHEN HE
AND IT WAS BILL CLINTON WHEN HE
WON IN 1992, HE SHIED AWAY FROM
THAT LABEL, LIBERAL WAS VERYROM
THAT LABEL, LIBERAL WAS VERY
MUCH A TERM THAT THE POLLING
