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>> WELCOME ONCE AGAIN TO "FR.
SPITZER'S UNIVERSE," WHERE IT'S
ALWAYS SAFE AND SOUND AT THE
INTERSECTION OF FAITH AND
REASON.
I'M DOUG KECK YOUR NAVIGATOR AS
WE CONTINUE ON WITH OUR TRAVAILS
THROUGH THE SOLAR SYSTEM OF
CATHOLIC TEACHING.
YOU CAN REACH US ON EMAIL, VIA
FACEBOOK AND TWITTER.
MAKE SURE YOU CHECK OUT THE
magiscenter.com WEB SITE.
THAT'S FATHER SPITZER FABULOUS
WEB SITE AND HE CAN ALWAYS USE
YOUR HELP.
AND NOW WE'RE WORKING THROUGH
crediblecatholic.com, WHAT'S SO
SPECIAL ABOUT THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH.
WE KNOW IT IS!
BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND
IT BETTER.
THE TRANSFORMATIVE POWER OF THE
HOLY EUCHARIST.
IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR
PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, IT IS THE
HOLY EUCHARIST.
AND WE HAVE SOMETHING NEW ALWAYS
AT EWTN.
THE BOOK OF THE MONTH, TRUSTFUL
SURRENDER, STORIES OF GRACE
AMIDST CRISIS.
SEEMS PERFECT IN THIS TIME WE'RE
IN NOW.
THAT'S WRITTEN BY
DEBBIE GEORGIANNI AND JERRY
USHER
THEY ARE ON THE TAKE TWO RADIO
SHOW AND JERRY HAS BEEN ON EWTN
MANY TIMES.
NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, LET'S
TURN TO OUR TRUSTFUL FRIEND,
FATHER SPITZER OUT ON THE WEST
COAST TO LEAD NEWS PRAYER.
>> Father: ABSOLUTELY.
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON,
AND HOLY SPIRIT.
HEAVENLY FATHER WE THANK YOU FOR
THE MANY BLESSINGS OF THIS
MINISTRY AND THE BLESSINGS OF
THIS SHOW ASKING YOU TO SEND
YOUR HOLY SPIRIT DOWN UPON DOUG,
MYSELF, THIS WHOLE AUDIENCE THIS
DAY SO EVERYTHING WE DO IS
BROUGHT TO FRUITION IN YOUR
WILL, FOR THE GOOD OF YOUR
PEOPLE, CHURCH, AND KINGDOM.
BLESS, TOO, LORD, OUR FAMILIES,
OUR COUNTRY, OUR WHOLE WORLD
THIS DAY.
PUT AN END TO THE PANDEMIC,
SOCIAL UNREST SO THAT WE MAY
TRULY HAVE THE PEACE THAT YOU
HAVE PREPARED FOR US AND DESIRE
FOR US.
WE ASK ALL OF THESE THINGS
THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.
AMEN.
MARY SEAT OF WISDOM, PRAY FOR
US.
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON,
AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AMEN.
>> Doug: AMEN.
ESPECIALLY, KEEP THOSE PRAYERS
GOING, THAT'S RIGHT.
WE HAVE OUR TOPIC OF THE HOLY
EUCHARIST.
WE'LL GET INTO THAT.
AND WE LIKE TO GET INTO
QUESTIONS FROM OUR AUDIENCE.
AS USUAL WE LIKE TO GET YOUR
TAKE OF THINGS HAPPENING OUT
THERE.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S AN
INTERESTING POLITICAL SEASON
THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF HERE
IN THE UNITED STATES.
WE APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY
WORLD-WIDE THAT WE TALK ABOUT
IT, BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT THING
OCCURRING HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES
TO RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.
INTERESTING ARTICLE, AS EVERY
YEAR, WE HAVE THIS PRO LIFE
VERSUS PRO ABORTION KIND OF
SITUATION OR PRO CHOICE VERSUS
PRO LIFE.
WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT AND
HOW CAN SOMEBODY VOTE.
ABOUT.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING
BECAUSE SOMEBODY WROTE IN A
CATHOLIC PERIODICAL THAT TENDS
TO BE ON THE MORE LIBERAL SIDE,
THINK THAT'S FAIR TO SAY.
THIS PERSON AT ONE TIME HAD BEEN
IN THE PRO LIFE OFFICE FOR
VARIOUS DIOCESAN OFFICES, EVEN
THE BISHOP'S CONFERENCE, ALMOST
20 YEARS AGO.
THEY WERE THERE.
BUT FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE THE
RIGHT TO KNOW WHERE I STAND, I
AM OPPOSED BOTH PERSONAL AND
SPIRITUAL.
CATHOLICS ARE TAUGHT NOT TO TAKE
THE LIFE OF AN UNBORN CHILD.
I WANTED TO ASK YOU, ARE WE THE
ONLY ONES TAUGHT THAT?
I THOUGHT THAT UNIVERSALLY THAT
WAS UNDERSTOOD.
>> Father: WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
THAT IS TRUE, IT'S UNIVERSALLY
UNDERSTOOD, YOU SHOULD NEVER
TAKE THE LIFE OF AN INNOCENT
PERSON.
THAT'S PART OF THE HIPPOCRATIC
OATH.
AND CERTAINLY BELONGING TO THE
PAGAN WORLD AS WELL AS THE
CHRISTIAN WORLD.
CLEARLY, FOR CHRISTIANITY,
RIGHT, FROM THE DIDACHE WRITTEN
AROUND 80AD, VERY, VERY EARLY IN
THE CHURCH.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
CATECHETICAL WORK IN THE
CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
THE DIDACHE EXPLICITLY TALKS
ABOUT ABORTION AND CERTAINLY
PART OF THE UNIVERSAL TRADITION
IN THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH, IT'S
UNIVERSAL.
I WAS APPEALING TO THE
AUTHORITY.
BUT I BELIEVE THE REASON IT IS
AS UNIVERSAL AS IT IS BECAUSE
EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT A BABY
IN THE WOMB IS STILL A HUMAN
BEING.
AND TO KILL THAT BABY, KILLING
AN INNOCENT HUMAN BEING IS TRULY
AN ABROGATION, NOT ONLY OF
DIVINE LAW BUT NATURAL LAW.
AND THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE
RECOGNIZED IT.
FURTHERMORE, TODAY, WE DON'T
HAVE AN EXCUSE!
WE HAVE DNA SEQUENCING AND WE
ARE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THIS
IS A UNIQUE, INTRINSICALLY GOOD
HUMAN BEING.
WE KNOW FROM THE MOMENT OF
CONCEPTION, A SINGLE-CELLED
ZYGOTE, WE KNOW IT'S A HUMAN
BEING.
IT HAS A FULL AND A UNIQUE HUMAN
GENOME.
IT'S A UNIQUELY HUMAN GENOME.
IT'S UNIQUE IN ITS SPECIFICATION
OF THE HUMAN BEING THAT IT IS.
THERE'S NO OTHER HUMAN BEING
LIKE IT IN THE WHOLE OF HUMAN
HISTORY.
THAT BEING HAS MITOCHONDRIAL DNA
WHICH IS THE DNA WE SHARE WITH
FIRST ANCESTORS AND WHY
CHROMOSOME ADAM 200,000 YEARS
AGO BE LONGING ONLY TO HUMAN
BEINGS.
AND LET'S FACE FACTS -- WELL,
Y-CHROMOSOME ONLY BELONGS TO MEN
BUT THE MITOCHONDRIAL EVE, THAT
BELONGS TO EAVE.
BUT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A HUMAN
BEING AND WE KNOW THAT THIS
ZYGOTE IS GOING TO DEVELOP INTO
A FULL HUMAN BEING.
THE ODDS ARE, YEAH, THERE'S A
POSSIBILITY OF MISCARRIAGE BUT
FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES, THAT
HUMAN BEING IF ALLOWED TO GO
THROUGH THE LIFE STAGE, WILL
BECOME A FULL HUMAN BEING.
NO EXCUSE.
THAT'S AN INNOCENT HUMAN BEING,
DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S IN UTERO
OR NOT.
IT TRULY AMOUNTS TO THE KILLING
OF AN INNOCENT HUMAN BEING WHICH
IS WRONG ACCORDING TO DIVINE
LAW, NATURAL LAW SINCE THE
80A.D., YOU HAVE AN EXPLICIT
DEDICATION IN THE DIDACHE IN
CHRISTIANITY.
>> NOW, THIS IS A CONSISTENT
ETHIC OF LIFE, HUNGER, LACK OF
AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE, ET
CETERA, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE
TIED TOGETHER WHICH THEY ARE IN
FACT TIED TOGETHER BUT THERE'S A
BIT OF A HIERARCHY AND THAT IS
DISCUSSED ALL THE TIME.
BUT SHE MADE THIS POINT IN HERE,
AS TRAGIC AS ABORTION IS, IN A
PLURALISTIC SOCIETY, WE HAVE IN
THE U.S. LAWS REFLECTING THE
CONSENSUS OF THE GOVERNED.
ARE WE SAYING WE'RE ABDICATING
THE FACT THAT SOMETHING IS
HEINOUS?
WHAT IF THIS WAS SLAVERY,
GETTING RID OF GENOCIDE.
WOULD WE SAY BECAUSE THE
MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ARE IN
FAVOR OF IT, WE GO ALONG AND
THINK IT'S OKAY?
>> Father: THIS IS EXACTLY THE
BIG PROBLEM THAT HAS COME UP
AGAIN AND AGAIN.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO LEGISLATE
MORALS?
WELL, THE ANSWER IS, IF WE DON'T
LEGISLATE MORALS, THEN WE ARE
MORE LIKELY TO LEGISLATE
INTRINSIC EVILS, FROM GENOCIDE
TO SLAVERY AND EVERYTHING IN
BETWEEN.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
OF COURSE, WE LEGISLATE MORALS.
WE TRY TO MAKE THEM NOT JUST
SOMETHING DECLARED BY THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH, SHOWING THAT
ACCORDING TO THE NATURAL LAW,
THIS IS PERCEIVABLE AS A DIRECT
INTRINSIC KILLING OF A HUMAN
BEING WHICH IS WRONG.
AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT'S
WRONG.
YOU CAN'T ALLOW THE KILLING OF
AN INNOCENT, IT'S THE MOST
HEINOUS ACT OF INJUSTICE, IN THE
NATURAL LAW, NOT JUST IN THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH'S PERCEPTION OF
THE DIVINE LAW.
EVERYBODY IN THE LAW SAYS,
WHAT'S JUSTICE.
WELL, JUSTICE BEGINS WITH DO NO
WRONG, THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL
INJUSTICE, PLATO RECOGNIZE IT,
THE PAGAN WORLD RECOGNIZED IT.
AND IF YOU ALLOW HUMAN REASONING
TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE PRINCIPLE
OF MALEFICENCE, DO NO HARM TO
OTHERS.
OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO
LEGISLATE AN INJUSTICE, THAT IS
IMMORAL, AN OBJECTIVE IMMORAL
WRONG.
JUSTICE IS BAD.
OKAY.
IF WE AGREE WITH THAT, THEN
MURDERING AN INNOCENT HUMAN
BEING, WHETHER IN UTERO OR NOT
IS JUST BAD.
IT'S EVIL, WRONG, AND WE SHOULD
LEGISLATE AGAINST IT.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE THE GUTS TO
DO IT.
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE SAY
THAT A DEMOCRACY SHOULD OVERRULE
THE NATURAL LAW OF JUSTICE.
THIS IS PRECISELY WHY
INALIENABLE RIGHTS HAVE BEEN
PART OF OUR COUNTRY SINCE THE
INCEPTION WRIT LARGE IN THE
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE WHAT?
SELF EVIDENT!
THEY DON'T COME FROM A
LEGISLATURE OR CONSTITUTIONAL
WRIT.
WHERE DO THEY COME FROM?
THEY COME FROM SELF EVIDENCE.
EVERY HUMAN BEING IS CREATED
EQUAL, ENDOWED BY THE CREATE BY
THE INALIENABLE -- MEANING YOU
CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY.
THE STATE GOVERNMENT OR
CONSTITUTION DIDN'T GIVE IT TO
ANYBODY AND THEREFORE, THE STATE
GOVERNMENT CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY
FROM ANYBODY.
THEY ARE ENDOWED WITH THE
INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF THE RIGHT
TO THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS,
FREEDOM, AND LIBERTY.
AND NO CONSTITUTION OR
LEGISLATURE DECLARED IT.
THEREFORE NO LEGISLATURE OR
CONSTITUTION CAN TAKE IT AWAY.
IT'S AN INALIENABLE RIGHT AND
IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN'T TAKE
AWAY.
IT'S BELONGING TO US BY THE VERY
WRIT OF HUMAN JUSTICE, THAT
EVERY HUMAN BEING DESERVES.
FUNDAMENTAL INJUSTICE LIKE
TAKING THE LIFE OF AN INNOCENT
ARE EVIL.
WE KNOW THAT.
THEREFORE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT
INTRINSIC TO US, NOT DECLARED BY
A GOVERNMENT THAT WE DESERVE TO
LIVE IF WE HAVE NOT DONE
ANYTHING TO POST SCRIBE THAT
RIGHT BY OUR ACTIONS.
THAT'S FIT TO GO AN UNBORN HUMAN
BEING TO ME.
YOU CAN'T SIMPLY OVERRIDE THIS
AND SAY A DEMOCRACY CAN UNDO
THIS.
THAT MEANS WE CAN HAVE A TYRANNY
OF THE MAJORITY OVERNIGHT.
OH, OKAY.
WE JUST DON'T LIKE THIS KIND OF
HUMAN BEING SO LET'S KILL THEM
ALL.
LET'S GET A VOTE, 51% SAID YOU
GOT TO DIE.
WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT!
THE SUPREME COURT IS OUT THERE
TO PROTECT YOUR INALIENABLE
RIGHT TO LIFE!
AND THAT LAW THAT SAYS, YOU
DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE JUST
BECAUSE YOU ARE UNDER 6-FOOT
TALL, OR SAY, YOU ARE UNDER
200 POUNDS IN WEIGHT, OR YOU
HAVE THE COLOR OF PURPLE SKIN,
YOU DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE.
WE CAN'T LEGISLATE THAT!
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE AND IT'S AGAINST
OUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS.
WE'RE SWORN UNDER JUSTICE TO
DEFEND THOSE INALIENABLE RIGHTS.
AS ST. AUGUSTINE SAID A LONG
TIME AGO, EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY
PERSON THAT I KNOW AS A
POLITICAL THEORIST OR SOCIAL
ACTIVIST SAYS, AN UNJUST LAW IS
NO LAW AT ALL.
SO, THE KILLING OF AN INNOCENT
HUMAN BEING, THERE'S NOTHING
MORE UNJUST THAN THAT.
SO, THEREFORE A POSITIVE LAW
WHEN IT'S DECLARED BY
LEGISLATURE OR VOTE, THEREFORE,
A POSITIVE LAW CAN NEVER BE
UNJUST.
AND IT'S CONTRARY TO ITS OWN
PURPOSE AND IT'S NO LAW AT ALL.
IT HAS NO POWER, NO FORCE OF
ITSELF.
ONLY THING THAT IT CAN GIVE IT
FORCE IS THE RULE OF A TYRANT.
SO, I WOULD JUST SAY, YES,
ABSOLUTELY.
LET'S STOP THE NONSENSE RIGHT
NOW.
THERE'S NO SENSE TO IT.
AND IF THAT PERSON ON THE BUSED
ACTUALLY MADE SUCH A
DECLARATION, THAT PERSON IS
WRONG.
YOU CAN NEVER, EVER, EVER SAY
THAT WE'RE GOING TO VIOLATE THE
INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF SOMEBODY.
AND BY THE WAY, ROE V. WADE
DECISION IS A CLEAR SANCTIONING
OF THE VIOLATION OF THE
INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF PRE CORN
HUMAN BEINGS.
FOR NO GOOD REASON OTHER THAN,
THERE WAS APPARENT CONFUSION
WHEN LIFE BEGAN.
WELL, THERE'S NO APPARENT
CONFUSION TODAY!
AND IN THAT TIME ANYWAY, THERE
WAS NO APPARENT CONFUSION.
IT WAS JUST A BYPRODUCT OF SHEER
IGNORANCE IN PEOPLE AND PEOPLE
ASKING AROUND BLINDLY.
AND A LAW CLERK THAT WROTE IT UP
FOR BLACKMAN, THIS IS JUST
COMPLETE NONSENSE.
TANTAMOUNT AS YOU IMPLIED, DOUG,
SANCTIONING OF SLAVERY BY THE
SUPREME COURT IN A UNANIMOUS
DECISION THAT DECLARED BLACK MEN
WERE INFERIOR AND SUBJECT TO THE
SUPERIOR RACE!
I'M QUOTING THE DECISION.
THIS IS A UNANIMOUS DECISION OF
THE SUPREME COURT.
VALIDATING THAT SLAVERY.
LET'S STOP THIS NONSENSE!
WE NEED TO REVERSE THIS, IT WAS
A FUNDAMENTAL INJUSTICE.
EVERY LEGISLATURE HAS THE RIGHT
TO DECLARE IT.
WHY NOT?
WHY DON'T THEY JUST STOP THIS
NONSENSE RIGHT NOW!
>> AND THE COURT DECISION,
REMINDED ME OF AN OLD BOSS USED
TO SAY, LET'S NOT LET THE FACTS
GET IN THE WAY OF WHAT WE WANT
TO DO HERE.
OKAY.
>> LET'S NOT LET FUNDAMENTAL
INJUSTICE GET IN THE WAY OF WHAT
WE WANT TO LEGISLATE HERE.
>> RIGHT, WHAT WE WANT TO
ACCOMPLISH.
OKAY.
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE QUESTIONS.
SOMEBODY FITTING INTO THE COVID
STORY AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT
IN RECENT WEEKS.
DEAR FATHER, ON A RECENT SHOW
YOU GAVE A WEBSITE ABOUT ETHICAL
VACCINES FOR CATHOLICS NOT USING
HUMAN EMBRYOS.
I MISSED THE WEBSITE.
CAN YOU GIVE IT AGAIN?
>> Father: YEAH, THAT'S OUR WEB
SITE, magiscenter.com.
YOU LOOK FOR THE SEARCH BUTTON
WHEN IT COMES UP.
AND PUT IN VACCINATION, IT'S
GOING TO TAKE TO YOU THE PAGE OF
VACCINATIONS AND YOU CAN SEE ALL
OF THE VARIOUS VACCINATIONS THAT
ARE NON EMBRYONIC AND ONE OF THE
ONES THAT IS NOT IS MODERNA.
AND IT'S ALREADY NEARLY PHASE 2
CLINICAL TRIALS.
IT'S IN PRODUCTION.
AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW SO YOU
HAVE TO INVESTIGATE EACH ONE
INDIVIDUALLY.
I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT,
THINK IT'S CALLED SANTIFLY, AND
IT'S NON EMBRYONIC AND THERE'S
QUITE A FEW OUT THERE TO CHECK
OUT.
SO GO TO THE WEB SITE,
magiscenter.com AND PUT IN
VACCINE AT THE SEARCH BUTTON AND
IT BRINGS YOU RIGHT THERE.
>> Doug: ALL RIGHT.
EXCELLENT.
NEXT QUESTION.
DEAR FR. SPITZER, I RECENTLY
READ ABOUT THE PRIEST IN DETROIT
WHO WAS BAPTIZED USING THE WRONG
WORDS, MAKING HIS BAPTISM
INVALID.
SO, WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS A PRIEST
WHO DISCOVERED WHEN HE WAS
BAPTIZED USED THE WRONG WORD.
THIS ALSO MADE HIS ORDINATION
INVALID.
THANKFULLY, THIS WAS QUICKLY
RECTIFIED.
HE WATCHED AN OLD VIDEO THAT HIS
PARENTS HAD OF HIM BEING
BAPTIZED.
I WORRY ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT
WENT TO HIM FOR CONFESSION OR
RECEIVED LAST RITES AND THEN
DIED.
SINCE HE COULD NOT VALIDLY
PERFORM THOSE SACRAMENTS DID
PEOPLE DIE IN THE STATE OF SIN?
FRANK
I KNOW THE ANSWER IS NO.
BUT EXPLAIN IT.
>> Father: THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S RIGHT.
THE ANSWER IS NO.
FRANK, THE LORD KNOWS WHAT THE
INTENTION WAS OF THAT PRIEST.
EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T HAVE A
VALID ORDINATION, THE LORD
RESPECTS THE INTENTION TO DO
THAT EVEN THOUGH THE DEACON WAS
SEEMINGLY UNTRAINED, I GUESS.
UNEDUCATED MAYBE IT SEEMS.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT PARTICULAR
PROBLEM UNKNOWN TO THE PERSON
RECEIVING THOSE SACRAMENTS OR
UNKNOWN TO THE PERSON
ADMINISTRATING THEM.
OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS NOT CERTAINLY
LICIT.
BUT THE LORD KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT
THE INTENTION WAS AND KNOWS THAT
THOSE PEOPLE IN THEIR HARTS WERE
TRULY CONTRITE.
-- IN THEIR HEARTS WERE TRULY
CONTRITE.
THEY ARE NOT DYING IN THE STATE
OF MORTAL SIN OR THREATENED BY
SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
SAME REASON THAT WE HOLD AS
CATHOLICS, NO ONE CAN GO TO HELL
BECAUSE OF WHAT WE CALL AN
ACCIDENT OF BIRTH.
LET'S SUPPOSE A PERSON WAS BORN
IN TIMBUKTU AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY
SENSE OF CHRIST, NEVER HEARD OF
CHRIST.
CAN THEY GO TO HELL BECAUSE THEY
HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT CHRIST.
NO!
OF COURSE NOT.
OUR OWN DOCUMENTS SAY THAT
ANYONE WHO IS TRYING TO FOLLOW
GOD AND THEY HAVE A SENSE OF
GOD, TRYING TO FOLLOW THE WILL
OF GOD AS THEY BEST KNOW IT,
ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN
CONSCIENCE, THEN THEY TOO ARE
ELIGIBLE TO BE SAVED.
YOU CAN'T BE CONDETERMINED
BECAUSE OF AN ACCIDENT AT BIRTH
OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE
HAPPENED THAT WAS COMPLETELY
BEYOND YOUR CONTROL OR THE
PRIEST'S CONTROL.
SO, REST ASSURED THAT THEY DID
NOT DIE IN A STATE OF MORTAL
SIN.
>> Doug: VERY GOOD.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
THE PERSON DOESN'T KNOW YOU SAID
SO THEY ARE NOT HELD
ACCOUNTABLE.
AND IN THE EARLY DAYS, ISAAC
JOGUES AND THEM CAME OVER TO
CONVERT THEM, AND IF THEY WERE
NOT GOING TO HELL, WHAT'S THE
DIFFERENCE ANY WAY.
OR IF I MAKE THEM AWARE OF
CHRIST AND THEY DON'T ACCEPT
CHRIST, I'M PUTTING THEM AT RISK
OF GOING TO HELL WHEN RIGHT NOW
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AN ARGUMENT
LIKE THAT.
>> WELL, I WOULD SAY, THE FIRST
THING IS, WHEN YOU SAY THEY ARE
NOT GOING TO GO TO HELL.
I CERTAINLY DIDN'T SAY THAT.
I SAID IS THEY ARE ELIGIBLE TO
BE SAVED.
YOU HAVE TO BE FOLLOWING GOD.
ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THESE
INDIANS, MAYBE THEY WERE TRYING
TO FOLLOW GOD.
MAYBE THEY WERE NOT.
GOD KNOWS THEIR INTENTION.
BUT BOY, IF YOU ARE GETTING THE
GOSPEL PREACHED TO YOU, YOU ARE
GOING TO KNOW THAT KILLING
INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE
DOING NOTHING MORE THAN
PREACHING, SCALPING THEM AND
TORTURING THEM IS WRONG.
AT LEAST YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE
THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE THAT
INTRODUCES YOU TO THE GOD OF
JUSTICE AND LOVE.
THIS IS REALLY, REALLY
IMPORTANT.
YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE PEOPLE
IN A STATE WHERE THEY HAVE NEVER
HEARD THE GOSPEL PREACHED WITH
RESPECT TO LOVE.
AND ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE GOING
DOWN THE WRONG ROAD AND NOT
ELIGIBLE TO BE SAVED.
SO, YOU WANT TO BE SURE THAT YOU
PREACH THAT WORD.
YOU WANT TO BE SURE THAT THEY
HAVE EVERY CHANCE OF BEING SAVED
AND THAT THEY CAN, THE MAIN
THING, YEAH, OF COURSE, PREACH
THE WORD OF GOD AND MAKE SURE
THE PERSON IS ON THE WAY!
DO THEY HAVE A CHANCE OF BEING
SAVED WITH EXTRA KNOWLEDGE.
GOD KNOWS THE INTENTIONS ALONE.
BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD SAY YOU
ARE VOUCHSAFING THEIR PATH.
ABSOLUTELY.
CERTAINLY ARE.
SO, PREACH THE WORD!
>> AND I THINK THE PARABLE OF
THE TALENTS, IF WE'RE GIVEN A
GIFT, THE LORD IS LOOKING FOR US
TO MULTIPLY THE GIFT AND IF WE
BURY IT AND SHOW BACK UP, HE WAS
NOT THAT HAPPY!
>> Father: RIGHT-O!
EXACTLY.
>> Doug: HERE'S ANOTHER
QUESTION.
TALKING ABOUT FORM AND LANGUAGE.
DEAR FR. SPITZER, DURING THE
CONSECRATION AT MASS THE PRIEST
USED TO SAY CHRIST'S BLOOD WAS
POURED OUT FOR ALL.
NOW HE SAYS IT WAS POURED OUT
FOR MANY.
WHY HAS THIS CHANGED?
DID NOT JESUS DIE FOR ALL?
KATY.
>> Father: OR KATIE.
OKAY.
KATIE, HERE'S THE BRIEF ANSWER.
THE RUBRIC WENT BACK TO THE
LATIN, WHICH IS MANY.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO BACK TWO
MORE LANGUAGES, TO THE GREEK AND
TO THE HEBREW BEHIND THE GREEK,
THAT'S THE ACTUAL WORDS OF JESUS
AT THE LAST SUPPER.
IT PROBABLY IS ALL.
AND HERE'S THE REASON WHY THAT
IS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE GREEK IN BOTH
MATTHEW AND MARK, MARK AND
MATTHEW'S VERSION OF THE
EUCHARISTIC WORDS, THEN YOU SEE
THE WORDS IN THERE, [FOREIGN
WORDS]
THAT MEANS, THE MANY.
WELL, THERE'S NO EXPRESSION THE
MANY IN PROPER GREEK, IN KOINE
GREEK NO SUCH EXPRESSION.
SO WE SAY, WHERE DOES THAT COME
FROM, THE MANY.
AS IT TURNS OUT, IT'S A
SEMITISM.
AND A SEMITISM MEANS WHEN THE
GREEK TRANSLATOR TOOK JESUS
HEBREW OR ARAMAIC WORDS, AND HE
TRIED TO PUT THEM IN GREEK, HE
DID IT LITERALLY.
SO, WHAT IS THE HEBREW THAT HE'S
TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, IN HEBREW, THE WORD IS
RABINE.
AND THAT WORD COULD MEAN BOTH,
MANY OR ALL.
IF IT'S ACCOMPANIED BY THE
DEFINITE ARTICLE, THE.
IF YOU PUT THAT IN FRONT OF
RABINE, THE DEFINITE ARTICLE,
YOU WIND UP WITH ALL.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DEFINITE
ARTICLE IN FRONT OF MANY, IT
WINDS UP BEING MANY.
NOW, HERE'S THE DEAL.
THE GREEK SAYS [FOREIGN WORDS]
THE MANY.
WHICH MAKES NO SENSE IN GREEK AT
ALL.
HOWEVER, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE
IN HEBREW.
SO, JESUS IS EITHER SAYING IT IN
THE SACRED LANGUAGE HEBREW OR
ARAMAIC.
SO, BASICALLY, HE USES THE
DEFINITE ARTICLE WITH RABINE.
AND IF HE'S DOING THAT, THEN OF
COURSE, HE MEANS ALL.
JESUS VERY, VERY LIKELY MEANT
ALL.
SO, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY, IF YOU
LOOK AT THE TRANSLATION, GO BACK
TO THE LATIN, IT'S REALLY MANY.
AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL
HEBREW THAT STANDS BEHIND THE
GREEK, WHICH STOOD BEHIND THE
ORIGINAL VULGATE LATIN, THEN YOU
GET THE WORD ALL.
SO, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY, I'M
NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE NEXT LITURGICAL COMMISSION
MAY REVERSE IT BACK FOR ALL I
KNOW.
BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS A PRETTY
WELL KNOWN FACT.
I WOULD HAVE TO SELECT THAT THAT
WOULD BE ONE OF THE ONES THAT
GOES BACK, MAYBE IT WON'T.
BUT ALL WAS PROBABLY THE
ORIGINAL HEBREW.
>> AS A LAY PERSON, THINK THAT
GOD WANTS EVERYBODY TO BE SAVED
AND JESUS DIES FOR ALL IN THE
SENSE OF MAKING HEAVEN AVAILABLE
TO EVERYBODY.
I THINK THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE
THINK SOMEBODY SAVING MEANS
EVERYBODY SAVED WHICH IS NOT THE
SAME THING.
>> Father: NO, NO.
IT'S NOT SAME THING.
AND IN FACT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE
MEANING IS, WHICH WILL BE POURED
OUT FOR EVERYBODY.
THAT MEANS THAT IT'S AVAILABLE
TO EVERYBODY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY
WILL ACCEPT IT, THAT EVERY ONE
WILL LIVE ACCORDING TO IT AND BE
SAVED.
>> OKAY.
AND ANOTHER PREVIOUS SHOW, THEY
ARE WATCHING YOU CLOSELY,
FATHER.
YOU SAID, NO SUCH THING AS SELF
ACTUALIZATION.
THIS MIGHT BE MASLOV'S FAMILY
CALLING US.
NOW, WE CANNOT DO IT OURSELVES.
YOU TOLD US ST. AUGUSTINE WHO
THROUGH GOD'S GRACE BY SAINT
MONICA, THAT HE WAS FINALLY
SAVED.
AND IF NOT, WHY DOESN'T
EVERYBODY AWAKEN LIKE THIS.
YOU TOLD THE STORY OF ST.
AUGUSTINE, WHO BY GOD'S GRACE
THROUGH ST. MONICA AND ST.
AMBROSE, WAS AWAKENED TO THE
TRUTH.
HOW DID HE FINALLY LISTEN TO
GOD'S VOICE?
IS IT GOD'S GRACE?
IF SO, WHY DOESN'T GOD AWAKEN
EVERYONE LIKE THAT?
MAX
.
>> NOW, HERE'S THE STORY, GUS, I
HAVE TO TELL YOU, LOTS OF PEOPLE
ARE NOT SEARCHING.
BUT ST. AUGUSTINE WAS TRULY
LOOKING FOR GOD.
THIS HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF
TIME.
ST. AUGUSTINE WAS NOT A SAINT IN
HIS EARLY YEARS, I JUST HAVE TO
TELL YOU.
HE HAD DEFINITE PROCLIVITIES IN
THE OTHER DIRECTION.
BUT THE MAIN THING IS HE WAS
LOOKING.
HE GOES TO THE MANACHES, HE'S
SEARCHING AND THE MANACHES ARE
TELLING HIM, EVERYTHING MATERIAL
IS BAD AND YOU OUGHT TO DO THIS.
SO, BECAUSE HE'S SEARCHING, HE'S
FINDING THE HOLES IN THEIR
ARGUMENT.
AND THEN HE BEGINS TO DOUBT
THAT.
SLOWLY BUT SURELY HE SAYS, IN
THE CONFESSIONS, BASICALLY
TALKING TO GOD, LORD.
OKAY.
IF YOU ARE REALLY NOT A MANACHES
AND REALLY SORT OF SOMETHING
ELSE, YOU GOT TO HELP ME OUT
HERE.
SO, HE'S OPEN AND HE'S LOOKING.
HE SEES THE HOLES IN THE
ARGUMENTS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
HE BEGINS TO SEE, OH, WAIT A
MINUTE, THESE CHRISTIANS SEEM TO
HAVE A SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM
BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO LEAP THE
INFINITE GULF BETWEEN MY
INFINITUDE AND GOD ALL BY
MYSELF.
THE CHRISTIANS HAVE THE
CHRISTIANS OF GOD COMING TO US,
EMMANUEL, GOD WITH US.
SO, ESSENTIALLY, HE SEES,
AUGUSTINE SEES.
OKAY.
THE CHRISTIANS FILLED THIS HOLE
AND I SEE THAT.
AND HE'S AN HONEST TRUTH SEEKER.
SO THEN HE GOES FURTHER.
AND HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE
OLD TESTAMENT.
HE SAYS, IF I LOOK AT THE OLD
TESTAMENT, THIS IS HARD TO
BELIEVE AND SEEMS PRIMITIVE TO
THE NEW TESTAMENT.
THEY GOT PEOPLE KILLING EACH
OTHER FOR THIS, GOD ORDERING
THIS, THAT, AND I JUST CAN'T
FIGURE OUT HOW THAT CAN BE.
AGAIN, AUGUSTINE MAKES PROGRESS.
HE LISTENS TO SAINT AMBROSE.
HONESTLY LOOKING AND LISTENING
AND SAINT AMBROSE IS TALKING
ABOUT, YEAH, OKAY, THERE IS A
PROGRESSION OF DOCTRINE.
AS THE PERSON WHO IS HEARING THE
DOCTRINE, WHATEVER IS RECEIVED
IS RECEIVED IN THE MANNER OF THE
RECEIVER.
AND THEY ARE MORE MATURE AND THE
WORD COMES TO THEM IN FULLER AND
FULLER REVELATION IN JESUS.
SO, HE HEARS THIS.
THERE'S A PROGRESSION IN
REVELATION THAT HE HEARS AND
THEN HE HEARS, THERE'S THE
FULLER SENSE, THE THINGS THAT
ARE PREDICTED, SOMEHOW, THEY ARE
MEANT TO BE SEEN IN LIGHT OF
CHRIST AS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE
REVELATION.
SO, HE SAYS, OKAY.
THESE CHRISTIANS THEY GOT
ANOTHER SOLUTION TO ANOTHER ONE
OF MY PROBLEMS.
AND HE GOES ALONG LIKE THIS.
HE'S LISTENING, LOOKING, POKING
HOLES, DOING THINGS AND GOING
ON, OH MY GOSH, MAYBE MY MOTHER
WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG.
AND MAYBE HE'S THINKING THAT THE
CHRISTIANS HAVE IT.
AND THIS GUY AMBROSE, HE REALLY
MIGHT, I GOT TO LISTEN A LITTLE
BIT MORE TO HIM.
SO, HE MAKES A BEELINE TO HEAR
HIM AND EVEN SPEAK WITH HIM.
FINALLY, OF COURSE, HE'S TRYING
LIKE MAD BECAUSE THEY ARE
DOMINATED BY LUST.
HE JUST IS.
SO, HE HAS A HARD TIME DEALING
WITH THIS SIN.
BASICALLY, AT ONE POINT, HE'S
PUSHING AND SAYS, LORD, OKAY.
I GET IT.
NOT JUST NOW.
I LIKE THE WOMEN TOO MUCH.
BUT FINALLY, AGAIN, HE'S
LISTENING.
AND HE HEARS THAT CHILD IN THE
GARDEN.
HE ALSO HAS THESE OTHER LITTLE
MINI-ENCOUNTERS.
DEATH OF ONE OF HIS GREAT
FRIENDS.
AND SO FORTH.
ALL OF THESE LITTLE ENCOUNTERS,
THEY ALL SORT OF LEAD UP FINALLY
TO THE POINT WHERE HE CAN NO
LONGER SAY NO.
THE CHRISTIANS HAVE THE ANSWER
AND HE SEES THAT.
HE SEES THAT HE HAS BEEN RUNNING
AND HE BURSTS INTO THAT PRAYER
LATE, LATE HAVE I LOVED THEE, 0
BEAUTY ANCIENT, EVER NEW.
LATE HAVE I LOVED, YOU PURSUED
ME AND I WOULD NOT HAVE YOU.
I WAS LOST AND ALL OF THE
CREATURES LEANEST OF THE WORLD,
ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE
CREATED, WAS LOST.
SO, OKAY.
OKAY.
HE SAYS THIS PRAYER.
THEN, OF COURSE, HE HAS THAT
MOMENT OF TRUE CONVERSION.
THEN, HE DECIDES, I'M GOING ALL
THE WAY.
AND HE DOES GO ALL THE WAY OF
BEING BISHOP OF CARTHAGE AND THE
REST AS THEY SAY, THE REST IS
HISTORY.
ONE OF THE GREATEST FATHERS OF
THE CHURCH THAT EVER LIVED, BOTH
GREEK AND LATIN CHURCHES.
GOD WAS GRACING HIM.
AND AUGUSTINE WAS SEARCHING,
THAT'S THE MAIN THING.
HE WAS LISTENING.
HE PUT IT TOGETHER.
AND AUGUSTINE WAS A FREE AGENT
AND GOD MUST MAKE IT THAT WAY.
SO, THAT'S THE BASIC ANSWER
THERE.
>> Doug: THEY PICKED UP ON THE
WAIVERS THERE!
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS!
PEOPLE HAVE TO BE OPEN AND
SEARCHING.
WE FIND THAT WITH THE EWTN, YOU
KNOW, FINDING THAT WITH THE
magiscenter.com, AND IF THEY
ARE SEARCHING THEY GET HOOKED IN
A VERY POSITIVE WAY.
SO, MUCH MORE COMING YOUR WAY,
AND FATHER SPITZER TOPIC OF THE
HOLY EUCHARIST, WE'LL BE RIGHT
BACK.
STAY WITH US.
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>> Doug: THANKS FOR STAYING
WITH US RIGHT HERE IN THE HEART
OF "FR. SPITZER'S UNIVERSE."
RIGHT HERE ON THE STUDIOS OF THE
WEST COAST AND ALABAMA, MOTHER
ANGELICA, 39 YEARS AGO AND
COUNTING.
WE TURN ONCE AGAIN TO FATHER
SPITZER.
I WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING
YOU CAN GO OUT THERE
DIOCESANWIDE, AND YOU CAN GET
OUT THERE, PRAYING THE ROSARY,
EUCHARISTIC PROCESSION, NOTHING
AND ADORATION.
IT'S A WONDERFUL OUTREACH OF LAY
CATHOLICS, VATICAN.
AND UNITE OUR NATION DOT NET
THAT'S THE PLACE TO GO AND FIND
OUT MORE INFORMATION BIT.
IT'S QUITE EXCITING AND SOME
GREAT MEN ARE BEHIND THIS.
THEY CAN REALLY USE YOUR
SUPPORT.
I WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
BEFORE WE GET INTO MORE
QUESTIONS.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION AS TO
A FOLLOWUP OF WHAT WE TALKED
ABOUT, WITH THE PRIEST, HAVING
TO DO WITH DETROIT.
THE IDEA OF, I HEARD ALSO, WHEN
THEY EXPLAINED WHY, WHAT HE DID
WASN'T CORRECT BUT IT WAS,
HAVING TO DO WITH TERMS LIKE,
SOMETHING BEING LICIT, NON
LICIT, WHY IT WAS OKAY EVEN
THOUGH IT WAS NOT DONE RIGHT.
>> Father: WELL, THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN LICIT AND VALIDITY.
>> Doug: RIGHT.
YEAH, UNDERSTAND THAT, IT'S NOT
JUST THAT DOUG CAN BAPTIZE
PEOPLE AND SOMEBODY LATER SAYS,
OH, HE MEANT TO BAPTIZE PEOPLE.
>> Father: WELL, THE CHURCH
MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN
LICIT, WHICH IS LEGAL, I GUESS,
THE BEST TRANSLATION FOR IT.
VERSUS VALID WHICH MEANS THAT
THE ACTUAL EVENT IS OCCURRING,
EX-OPERANDI.
AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING COULD BE
VALID THE SACRAMENT IS PRESENT
BUT WHAT IS LICIT, IS THAT IT
WAS ILLICIT, IMPROPERLY DONE OR
EXECUTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE PARTICULAR
CASE, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT A
CANONIST SO I'M NOT SURE HOW IT
APPLIES BUT I BAPTIZE YOU IN THE
NAME OF THE FATHER,SON, AND THE
HOLY SPIRIT.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S NECESSARY
FOR VALIDITY, BUT FOR LICITNESS.
AND NOT BEING A CANONIST, I'LL
JUST SAY THAT MAYBE IT WAS VALID
BUT ILLICIT.
ALSO, THOUGH, IT MAY BE INVALID
BECAUSE IT HAD TO DO WITH THE
ACTUAL FORM OF THE BAPTISM.
NEVERTHELESS, IN ANY CASE, THINK
THAT CERTAINLY THE LORD IS NOT
GOING TO INVALIDATE AT LEAST IN
A SPIRITUAL SENSE SOMETHING
WHICH WAS INTENTIONALLY DESIRED
AND IN GOOD FAITH, DESIRED AND
PERFORMED AND THERE WAS AN
ACCIDENT WAY BACK AT THE TIME OF
THE BAPTISM.
SO, PROBABLY IS A MATTER OF THAT
WAS A VALID SET OF SACRAMENTS
THAT WAS DONE ILLICITLY.
BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT!
LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A CANON
LAWYER.
BUT THE LORD SNOT GOING TO HOLD
THAT -- IS NOT GOING TO HOLD
THAT PERSON RESPONSIBLE ON
EITHER THE SIDE OF THE PRIEST OR
THE PEN TENTH.
>> Doug: AND THE LORD IS NOT
LIMITED BY WHAT HE SETS UP FOR
US.
HE CAN ACT OUTSIDE OF THAT.
>> Father: ABSOLUTELY.
>> Doug: AND THE ISSUE IS, NOT
THAT IT'S OKAY TO DO THAT, BUT
THAT IT HAPPENED BY ACCIDENT OR
MISTAKE, THE LORD DOESN'T
PENALIZE PEOPLE WHO IN ALL
INTENTION TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT
THING.
AND I THINK THE DEACON NEEDS TO
GO BACK AND LEARN HIS LESSONS.
AND IT WAS THE EARLY DYKE TOMATO
THAT THEY RECOGNIZED LATER THAT
THE TRAINING WAS NOT AS
SUBSTANTIAL AS IT NEEDED TO BE
IN THE EARLY DAYS OF THE DYKE
TOMATO.
>> Father: AND THE FORMATION
WAS PROBABLY, IF YOU MAKE A
MISTAKE LIKE THAT, ALMOST
IMPLYING THAT THE COMMUNITY IS
BAPTIZING HIM INSTEAD OF CHRIST
WORKING THROUGH THE PRIEST --
>> Doug: WELL, THAT'S WHERE YOU
RUN INTO THE PRETTY BASIC, KIND
OF MENTALITY THAT THE ENTIRE
CONGREGATION IS ACTUALLY
INFECTING THE EUCHARIST, RATHER
THAN THE PRIEST BEING THE ONE
WITH THE ACTION AND THE PERSONA
CHRISTE.
I THINK THAT IT'S OVERLY, WHAT
DO YOU CALL IT, LATERAL, OR KIND
OF --
>> THIS IS OUR BODY?
RIGHT.
YEAH.
>> Doug: ALL OF THOSE KIND OF
THINGS THAT WE DEALT WITH IN
CLOWN MASSES AND PUPPET
MINISTRIES ALL THROUGH THE
YEARS.
OKAY.
LET'S MOVE ON TO ANOTHER
QUESTION.
THE PERSON SAYS.
DEAR FATHER SPITZER, I AM A
LIFELONG CATHOLIC, BUT THIS
QUESTION HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME A
LOT LATELY.
SEEING HOW WE DID NOT HAVE A
FREE CHOICE WHETHER TO BE BORN
INTO THIS WORLD, HOW CAN IT BE
FAIR TO BE JUDGED BY GOD WITH
THE POSSIBILITY OF SPENDING
ETERNITY IN HELL SEPARATED FROM
OUR CREATOR?
IF I HAD A CHOICE OF BEING BORN,
I MIGHT HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO
EXIST, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE
SUFFERING WE ENDURE IN THE LIFE.
THANK YOU, RICH.
>> Father: RICH, FIRST OF ALL,
THE FACT IS THAT YOU WERE BORN.
AND YOU WERE BORN TO BROUGHT
INTO ETERNAL LIFE AND ETERNAL
JOY.
YOU OUGHT TO BE THANKFUL FOR
THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET TO
HEAVEN, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE,
THIS IS THE BEST THING THAT
COULD HAVE EVER HAPPENED TO YOU.
YOU ARE GOING TO GET TO SPEND
THIS IN ETERNITY, WITH EVERYBODY
WHO EVER LOVED YOU.
AND AS ST. PAUL TELLS US, NEXT
TO THAT, HE SAYS, WHO CARES!
I COUNT ALL OF THIS SUFFERING
THAT I AM ENDURING.
AND HE ENDURED PLENTY, RICH.
I COUNT ALL OF IT AS MERE REFUSE
WHEN COMPARED WITH THE LIFE THAT
IS TO COME, THE CLOWN THAT
AWAITS ME THIS IS MERE REFUSE!
IT IS A BIG NOTHING.
YES, SUFFERING IS TAKEN
SERIOUSLY, YES, ALLEVIATE
SUFFERING ON THE PART OF PEOPLE.
YEAH, DON'T LET THEM SINK INTO
DESPAIR BUT WE MUST ALSO KNOW AS
CHRISTIANS, THIS IS ALL GOING TO
END.
THAT EVERY TEAR IS WIPED AWAY!
WE CAN LEVER EVERY SINGLE BIT OF
SUFFERING TO PURIFY OUR LOVE,
GET OUR EGOS OUT OF THE WAY.
TO GET OUR SENSUALITY OUT OF THE
WAY AND JUST TO PURSUE THE GOOD
OF THE OTHER HUMAN BEING AND
LOVE OF THE OTHER HUMAN BEING
FOR WHO THEY REALLY ARE.
THE INTRINSIC GOODNESS AND
LOVABILITY THAT THEY ARE AND
DIVINE SPIRIT OF SELF GIFT TO
WHICH WE ARE CALLED WHICH BRINGS
US ETERNAL JOY.
THIS IS THE REAL REASON THAT WE
WERE BORN INTO THE WORLD.
FOR YOU TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT YOU
WOULD RATHER NOT BE BORN.
BECAUSE THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY
OF HELL.
YOU ARE FREE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE HELL.
YOU KNOW, GOD DOESN'T JUST SEND
US TO HELL.
WE CHOOSE IT.
SO, THE MAIN THING IS, DON'T
CHOOSE HELL.
BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY
ABOUT.
CHOOSE CHRIST.
STAY ON THE ROAD.
IF YOU FAIL, DON'T WORRY.
GO TO CONFESSION.
GO BACK ON THE ROAD.
YOU ARE GOING TO GET THERE.
JUST KEEP DOGGEDLY GETTING BACK
ON THE ROAD.
EVEN IF YOU ARE GOING TO
CONFESSION EVERY WEEK AND EVEN
IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLES
GALORE.
THE LORD SAYS 70 TIMES 7 TIMES,
MEANING AN INFINITE NUMBER OF
TIMES, IN THE HEBREW MANNER OF
SPEAKING.
BASICALLY, JUST KEEP GETTING
BACK ON THE ROAD, KEEP TRYING,
KEEP STRIVING FOR CHRIST.
KEEP TAKING THE MORAL TEACHING
SERIOUSLY.
KEEP RECEIVING THE SACRAMENTS.
KEEP ON THE ROAD.
YOU ARE GOING TO GET THERE.
DON'T WORRY!
AND THE MAIN THING, DON'T BE
THINKING EVER, THAT I WOULD
RATHER NOT BE BORN AT ALL.
DON'T EVER SAY THAT.
DON'T TEACH ANYBODY THAT.
DON'T EVEN THINK THAT.
REALLY, THE ETERNAL JOY THAT
AWAITS YOU WILL BE WORTH
EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE
ENDURED.
AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE
ENDURED CAN BE USED AND LEVERED
TO BRING YOU MORE READILY INTO
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
I DON'T RELISH BEING BLIND.
>> RIGHT.
MAYBE YOU NEED TO WATCH IT'S A
WONDERFUL LIFE AND THEN YOU GET
A GOOD PERSPECTIVE ON WHETHER OR
NOT HE WAS GLAD HE WAS BORN OR
NOT!
NOW, HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION
THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY GET TO
QUICKLY.
DEAR FATHER SPITZER, MY CHILDREN
HAVE SAID THAT FREE WILL IS NOT
A GIFT, IT'S A CURSE.
THEY SAY GOD IS NOT LOVING US BY
GIVING PEOPLE THE POWER TO
DECIDE TO GO TO HELL.
I TOLD THEM FORCED LOVE IS NOT
REALLY LOVE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
SINCERELY, FRANCES.
>> Father: FRANCES, YOUR ANSWER
IS RIGHT ON THE MARKER!
I JUST SAY, IN NO UNCERTAIN
TERMS, IT IS MUCH BETTER TO
SPEND LIFE IN HEAVEN AS A FREE
AGENT LOVING PEOPLE, BEING
LOVED, THAN TO SPEND LIFE IN
HEAVEN AS A ROBOT HAVING
BEHAVIORS OF LOVE PROGRAMMED
INTO YOU BECAUSE YOU NEVER HAD
ANY FREEDOM TO SELF INITIATE
YOUR LOVE.
JUST TURN RIGHT BACK TO YOUR
CHILDREN.
AND FRANCES, YOU WERE RIGHT ON
BY THE WAY.
TURN TO YOUR CHILDREN, AND ASK,
WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER BE, A
ROBOT OR A HUMAN BEING THAT
KNOWS HE HAS THE CHOICE TO LOVE
AND KNOWS THAT PEOPLE ARE LOVING
THEM AND CAN FREELY ENTER INTO A
LOVING RELATIONSHIP IN A PURE
ACT OF A REAL SELF GIFT.
WOULD YOU RATHER BE A ROBOT OR A
HUMAN BEING?
IF YOU WOULD RATHER BE A ROBOT,
YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU
ARE SAYING BECAUSE A ROBOT HAS
NO SELF CONSCIOUSNESS THAT IS
CAPABLE OF RECOGNIZING WHETHER
OR NOT HE'S HAPPY OR NOT.
YOU WOULD RATHER BE A MACHINE OR
NOT EVEN KNOW THAT YOU ARE
HAPPY, UNHAPPY, SAD OR NOT SAD?
YOU WOULD RATHER BE A MACHINE
THAT HAS NO COGNIZANCE OF
WHETHER HIS LIFE IS GOING IN A
GOOD DIRECTION OR NOT.
WHETHER HE WAS APPRECIATED OR
NOT.
WHETHER HE HAS PURPOSE, DIGNITY
OR NOT.
YOU JUST WANT TO BE A
FUNCTIONING, PROCESSING UNITE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO
BE.
OF COURSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE
THERE.
AND OF COURSE, YOU WOULD CURSE
YOURSELF TO SAY, OH, PLEASE,
LORD, LET ME BE A ROBOT,
WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T PRAY THAT
PRAYER!
TELL YOUR KIDS, THAT PROBABLY IS
AN UNWISE WISH.
TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE, SHTICK ON
THE ROAD.
RIGHT?
ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS JUST STAY
ON THE ROAD WITH THE SACRAMENTS.
IF YOU GET OFF THE ROAD, GO BACK
TO CONFESSION AND KEEP FOLLOWING
THE TEACHING OF CHRIST.
KEEP TRYING TO DO THIS.
DO NOT DESPAIR OF YOUR
SALVATION.
THAT QUESTION COMES OUT OF
DESPAIR AND DESPAIR COMES FROM
THE EVIL ONE.
JUST KEEP NOT SUBMITTING TO
DESPAIR.
KEEP FOLLOWING THE TEACHING OF
CHRIST.
YOU GET OFF, JUST GO BACK TO
CONFESSION, KEEP ON THE ROAD
DOGGEDLY.
AND WHEN YOU GET TO ETERNITY,
THIS IS GOING TO BE A BLIP ON
THE RADAR SCREEN, AND WHEN YOU
GET TO ETERNITY, YOU ARE GOING
TO SAY, WOW!
I GET THIS?
I'LL TAKE IT!
AND HERE'S GOD, HERE'S PURE
ECSTASY COMING HIMSELF, HERE'S
ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT I GET TO
ENJOY IN THE STATE OF PURE
ECSTASY AND THIS MAKES
EVERYTHING ON EARTH LOOK LIKE
NOTHING!
WHAT?
YOU ARE GOING TO BE LIKE STEVE
JOBS IN HIS DEATH BED.
HE SAID, WOW.
THAT'S WHAT HE SAID REALLY.
BUT YOU ARE GOING TO BE BLOWN
AWAY.
>> Doug: SO LET'S MOVE ON TO
OUR CLOSING TOPIC IN THE FEW
MINUTES LEFT IN THE SHOW.
IN THIS SECTION, HE TRANSFORMED
THIS FROM SLAVERY IN EGYPT TO
HEAVENLY FREEDOM FROM EVIL TO
DEATH LEADING TO ETERNAL LIFE
AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.
AS SUCH, THE HOLY EUCHARIST IS
THE POWER AND LOVE OF SQUEEZE TO
PROTECT US FROM SATAN AND TO
USHER US INTO HIS ETERNAL
KINGDOM.
>> Father: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT
IT IS.
IN FACT, WE'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT THAT IMPLICITLY THROUGHOUT
THE SHOW.
AND YOU CAN SEE, AS YOU RECEIVE
THE HOLY EUCHARIST, SLOWLY BUT
SURELY, YOU ARE BEING
TRANSFORMED, SLOWLY BUT SURELY,
YOU ARE BEING GIVEN THESE LITTLE
FREEDOMS.
YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN
RECOGNIZE THEM COMING IN
YOURSELF.
I CERTAINLY DIDN'T WHEN I
STARTED GOING TO DAILY MASS.
I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE
TRANSFORMATION THAT WAS REALLY
OCCURRING IN ME.
IT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
AND THESE TRANSFORMATIONS, THEY
DO PROTECT YOU FROM EVIL.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT THE EVIL
SPIRIT HATES WORSE THAN YOU
STARTING TO RECEIVE HOLY
COMMUNION ON A MORE AND MORE
REGULAR BASIS, DURING THE WEEK,
ET CETERA.
BECAUSE IT'S JUST REINFORCING
YOU, GIVING YOU A SENSE OF
RESOLVE THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE
BEFORE, A SENSE OF FREEDOM THAT
YOU DID NOT HAVE BEFORE.
YOU ARE ACTUALLY BEING
TRANSFORMED IN THE HEART OF
CHRIST.
AS YOU RECEIVE IT WORTHILY,
BUILDING UP YOUR PRAYER LIFE,
AROUND THE MORE FREQUENT
RECEPTION OF THE EUCHARIST,
PRAYER BUILDS TOWARD THE
EUCHARIST AND EUCHARIST BUILDS
TOWARD PRAYER AND AS YOU GET
THAT TWO-FOLD INTERACTION GOING,
THE PRAYER AND THE EUCHARIST IN
YOUR LIFE, YOU ARE JUST GOING TO
SEE YOUR FREEDOM TOWARD PURITY
OF HEART, YOUR FREEDOM TOWARD
AUTHENTIC HUMILITY AND
GENTLENESS.
YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THAT
FREEDOM ACTUALLY PURSUING THE
LORD AND LEAVING BEHIND THE
SO-CALLED SENSUAL DELIGHTS AND
LEAVE BEHIND THE EGO-DRIVEN
STUFF.
YOU ARE GOING TO SEE IT HAPPEN
TO YOU AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE
BLOWN AWAY.
AND AS YOU DO, YOU ARE GOING TO
BE VOUCHSAFED ONTO THE ROAD TO
SALVATION.
SO, IN MY VIEW, RECEIVE THE
EUCHARIST.
THE MORE FREQUENTLY, THE BETTER.
THE MORE PROTECTION YOU HAVE
FROM EVIL, THE MORE YOU ARE JUST
BEING PULLED LIKE THE TRACTOR
PULLED, BY GOD, INTO HEAVEN
BECAUSE OF THE TRANSFORMED HEART
THAT YOU HAVE BECAUSE OF THE
HOLY EUCHARIST.
THAT YOU HAVE FREELY ACCEPTED
AND WORKED INTO YOUR LIFE
THROUGH YOUR PRAYER AND ACTIONS,
BUT AS YOU DO THAT, NOTICE THAT
THE TRACTOR INCREASES IN FORCE
AND YOU ARE JUST PULLED IN MORE
AND MORE BY THE LORD OF LOVE.
>> Doug: AND OKAY.
THIS IS ANOTHER TOPIC THAT COMES
UP, YOU KIND OF ADDRESSED THIS
IN HERE AND SOME DEGREE, HAS TO
DO WITH WHY YOU NEED A VALIDLY
ORDAINED PRIEST AND THE
EUCHARISTIC CONNECTION THROUGH
THE APOSTOLIC HISTORY OF THE
CHURCH.
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT JESUS
INTENDED TO GIVE US HIS REAL
BODY AND BLOOD, HIS REAL
CRUCIFIED RISEN SELF RATHER THAN
MERELY SYMBOLIC PRESENCE IN THE
BLOOD AND WINE AS SOME PEOPLE,
SOME CATHOLICS EVEN
MISUNDERSTAND THE CHURCH'S
TEACHING ON THAT.
>> Father: RIGHT, YEAH.
ACTUALLY THERE ARE 3 MAJOR
REASONS.
AND FIRST ONE, JOHN 1:53, I
BELIEVE, WHERE HE SAYS, THE
BREAD THAT COMES DOWN FROM
HEAVEN IS MY FLESH.
I AM THE BREAD, LIVING BREAD WHO
COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN.
AND THE BREAD THAT COMES DOWN
FROM HEAVEN IS MY FLESH FOR THE
LIFE OF THE WORLD.
YOU CAN'T READ THE GREEK IN ANY
OTHER WAY.
THAT'S THE VERY CLEAR IN JOHN.
AND PAUL'S FIRST LETTER TO THE
CORINTHIANS IS CLEAR.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S
CLEAR, THE UNDERSTANDING THAT
JESUS HAS OF THE HOLY EUCHARIST,
HIS PROPHETIC WORDS GOING OUT
INTO THE FUTURE AND BRINGING
BACK HIS BODY ON THE CROSS AT
CALVARY INTO THE BREAD
DISTRIBUTING INTO THE APOSTLES
AND CALLING IT THE COLLAPSE OF
THE SACRED TIME WHICH ACTUALLY
IS SOMETHING THAT JESUS KNOWS
VERY WELL.
IT CAN HAPPEN BECAUSE ALL TIME
IS IN THE MIND OF GOD.
SO, HE'S ACTUALLY DOING THIS.
AND THAT'S HIS INTENTION IN THE
HOLY EUCHARIST.
THERE'S SOME VERY, VERY GOOD
BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT THAT.
IF YOU WANT A SUMMARY OF THAT, I
WROTE GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD.
IN THAT BOOK, GO TO, I BELIEVE
IT'S CHAPTER 3 WHICH IS ON THE
LOVE OF CHRIST IN THE EUCHARIST.
IT'S ALL EXPLAINED THERE WHAT
THAT SLAPS OF TIME IS.
AND -- COLLAPSE OF TIME IS.
AND GO TO
crediblecatholic.com, ALL
EXPLAINED RIGHT THERE IN VOLUME
9 OF THE BIG BOOK.
GO TO crediblecatholic.com,
CLICK ON THE BIG BOOK, VOLUME 9.
AND YOU WILL SEE THE ENTIRE
THING THERE.
ANOTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT
IN ALL OF THE APOSTOLIC FATHERS,
THERE'S NO OTHER INTERPRETATION
OF THE HOLY EUCHARIST EXCEPT
THAT IT IS THE REAL PRESENCE OF
JESUS CHRIST.
NOW, THE APOSTOLIC FATHERS WERE
PROBABLY IN CONTACT WITH THE
APOSTLES AND IN CONTACT WITH
THOSE WHO KNEW THE APOSTLES.
SO, IT IS VERY, VERY UNLIKELY
THAT THEY UNANIMOUSLY
INTERPRETED CHURCH TRADITION
COMING TO THEM ALMOST WITHIN THE
FIRST CENTURY, RIGHT?
COMING TO THEM AND IN A
COMPLETELY WRONG WAY.
SO, LET'S FACE IT.
THEY ARE GETTING IT FROM THE
APOSTLES AS WELL.
AND THEY ARE VERY CLEAR AND
EXPLICIT ABOUT THE REAL PRESENCE
OF CHRIST BEING IN THE
EUCHARIST.
BY THE WAY, WHAT SENSE WOULD IT
MAKE FOR PAUL TO BE TALKING
ABOUT RECEIVING CHRIST INTO OUR
HEARTS UNWORTHILY, AND THE
TERRIBLE ACT THAT IT IS.
IF HE DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT
IT WAS THE REAL PRESENCE OF
CHRIST.
AND BY THE WAY, IF THE APOSTLES
REALLY DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT JESUS
WAS SAYING THAT IT WAS HIS REAL
FLESH AND BLOOD IN JOHN 6, WHY
WOULD EVERYBODY HAVE WALKED AWAY
AND JESUS SAID TO THEM, WELL,
ARE YOU GOING TO LEAVE ME TOO?
AND THEY GO, NO, LORD, WHERE
WOULD WE GO.
YOU HAVE THE WORDS OF
EVERLASTING LIFE.
I THUNK ALL OF THE EVIDENCE,
UNANIMOUSLY, AND IF WE LOOK AT
THE COLLAPSE OF SACRED TIME,
JESUS CERTAINLY BELIEVED IN THE
MIND OF CHRIST, TAKING A LOOK AT
1 CORINTHIANS WITH ANY DEGREE OF
SERIOUSNESS, I TELL YOU, LOOKING
AT THE APOSTOLIC FATHERS WRITING
WITHIN THE FIRST CENTURY OF THE
CHURCH, THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU
COME UP WITH ANY INTERPRETATION
OTHER THAN THE REAL PRESENCE OF
CHRIST.
LUTHER WAS SIMPLY MISTAKEN IN
THE REGARD.
HE IGNORED WHAT WE FIRST THOUGHT
WAS FIRST RATE SCHOLARLY
EVIDENCE.
BUT HE WAS NOT AS HIGH ON
IGNORING THE REAL PRESENCE, MORE
ON THE CONSUBSTANTIAL CASE
RATHER THAN THE TRAN SUBSTANTIAL
ONE.
AND CALVIN, CALVIN WAS
COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF THE
SCHOLARLY, AT LEAST, NOT IN THE
SCRIPTURES.
LUTHER WAS.
CALVIN STARTED THAT TRADITION
GOING STRONG IN THE PRO STANT
AREA.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, HE WAS
IGNORANT OF THE ENTIRE CONTEXT
IN WHICH THIS THING WAS TO BE.
AND HE WAS IGNORANT OF THE
CHURCH FATHERS IN THIS CASE AS
WELL.
>> JUST LOOKING BACK, A PERSON
THINKING LOGICALLY, IF IT WASN'T
TRUE, WHY DID THEY BOTHER
WITHOUT HAVING TO DO WITH THAT
AS AN ISSUE.
IF IT WAS SIMPLE, IT WOULD HAVE
BEEN AN EASIER SELL TO PEOPLE
WHO HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
RELIGION ABOUT THE ROMANS WHO
THOUGHT THE CHRISTIANS WERE
CANNIBALS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEY SAID, NO, NO.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS
JUST A SYMBOL.
IT'S NOT REALLY HIS BODY AND
BLOOD.
BUT THEY DIDN'T.
SO, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT AND
HAVE A PRIESTHOOD AND HAVE ALL
OF THESE THINGS TO MAKE IT
APPROPRIATE.
WOULDN'T IT BE EASIER TO HAVE
JUST LET IT BE A SYMBOL?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
APOLOGETICALLY, THEY ARE ALL
LEAVING JESUS IN JOHN 6, BAILING
SHIP BECAUSE THEY ARE THINKING
TO THEMSELVES.
WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE US YOUR
REAL FLESH AND BLOOD TO DRINK,
YOU ARE A LITTLE WHACKO, SIR.
SO, THEY ARE LEAVING AND THE
CHRISTIANS WOULD HAVE HAD THE
SAME PROBLEM AS JESUS DID,
SELLING THE SAME THING.
SO, WHY FOR EXAMPLE, WHY DID
THEY DO IT?
WHY DID THEY INSIST ON IT?
WHY IS IT UNANIMOUSLY HELD BY
THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS.
BECAUSE NOT ONLY DID THEY THINK
IT WAS TRUE BUT THEY GOT IT FROM
THE APOSTLES THAT THIS WAS
JESUS' TRUE INTENTION AS IT WAS
REFLECTED IN 1 JOHN AND 1 LET
LETTER OF ST. PAUL TO THE
CORINTHIANS.
YEAH, MUCH EASIER THAN THE
APOLOGETIC SELF.
AND ALAS IT STANDS FORTH FOR ALL
NATIONS TO RECEIVE BECAUSE JESUS
CHRIST THROUGH HIS SON, HE
REALLYN'T WITH A TOAD GIVE THE
REAL BODY AND BLOOD, HIS REAL
BODY, BLOOD, SOUL AND DIVINITY
TO ALL OF US, TO TRANSFORM OUR
HEARTS, VOUCHSAFE OUR PATH INTO
THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND TO
FRUSTRATE THE DESIGNS OF THE
EVIL SPIRIT.
>> Doug: I THINK THAT'S IT.
AND BASICALLY, THAT'S IT FOR
THIS WEEK'S PROGRAM, FATHER.
IF YOU WOULD, GIVE US YOUR
BLESSING ON THE WAY OUT THE
DOOR.
THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC.
>> Father: YES.
BOW YOUR HEADS AND PRAY FOR
GOD'S BLESSING.
AND MAY YOU, IN YOUR FAITH
ACCEPT THE LORD'S GIFT OF HIS
REAL PRESENCE, THE GIFT THAT HE
HAS GIVEN YOU OF REAL FREEDOM TO
INITIATE LOVE AND TO ACCEPT HIS
LOVE, THE GIFT THAT IS GOING TO
BRING YOU INTO THE FULLNESS OF
LIGHT, LOVE, AND ECSTASY AND
FREEDOM WITH THE LORD FOREVER
INTO HIS ETERNITY BY TRUSTING IN
HIS WORD, IN HIS SON, IN HIS
SACRAMENTS, IN THE NAME OF THE
FATHER, SON, AND OF THE HOLY
SPIRIT.
AMEN.
>> Doug: AMEN.
THANK YOU, A PLEASURE ALWAYS,
FATHER.
STAY SAFE SO WE CAN SEE YOU NEXT
TIME.
>> Father: WILL DO!
>> Doug: THE ONE AND ONLY
FATHER SPITZER.
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