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>>HERMAN: I FEEL LIKE
STANDING AND SALUTING.
>>SHARRON: THAT WOULD
BE NEAT.
>>HERMAN: YOU SHOULD
NOT SHOW MY GUEST, BUT
HEY, THAT WAS A GIVEN,
BUT YOU DID NOT TAKE
IT. IT IS GOOD TO HAVE
ALL OF YOU PEOPLE, AND
THAT GOES BACK TO THAT
BUT YOU SHOULD NOT DO
THAT, DAVID. OKAY THANK
YOU. I HAVE GOT TO
WORK OUT SOMETHING
WHERE DAVID CAN READ MY
MIND. I MUST FIND OUT
HOW TO DO THAT AND WE
HAVE GOT TO HAVE SOME
TO MENTAL TELEPATHY.
>>SHARRON: IS BEEN 37
YEARS AND I CANNOT DO
THIS, NO HOPE DAVE.
>>HERMAN: ALL RIGHT
NOT STAY HERE DAVE AND
DON'T JUMP AROUND, AND
THIS IS MY WIFE SHARRON,
AND WE WANT TO
INTERVIEW A LADY THAT
HAS BEEN WITH US TWO
TIMES, THIS MIGHT BE
HER SECOND TIME AND
MAYBE MORE, AND THE
SUBJECT THAT WE WANT TO
SPEAK ABOUT WOULD BE--,
E DON'T TALK ABOUT AND
ESPECIALLY IN CHRISTIAN
CIRCLES. PROBABLY MY
GUEST, AND I WOULD BE
THINKING AND 99.9% YOU
WOULD NEVER HEAR THIS
BEFORE I TALKED ABOUT
FROM THE PULPIT, IN
ANY GIVEN CHURCH. SO
WE COVER A LOT OF
SUBJECTS THAT PEOPLE
WONDER ABOUT AND THEY
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
THEIR FAMILY, THEY
FACE THIS TYPE OF
THING. IT WOULD BE THE
TRANSGENDER TOPIC. AND
MY SPECIAL GUEST, SHE
HAS WRITTEN A BOOK,
TRANSGENDER CONFUSION
THIS IS A BOOK FOR
CHRISTIAN FAMILIES.
THIS IS A BOOK THAT
ANSWERS, AND MAYBE YOU
DON'T UNDERSTAND,
MAYBE YOU HAVE HEARD
THE QUESTION, BUT YOU
DID NOT KNOW HOW TO
DEAL WITH IT. THE
QUESTION WOULD BE-- AND
HOW TO WORK WITH THIS
ARE IN THIS BOOK. IT
WOULD BE A WONDERFUL,
WONDERFUL READ. DENISE,
I SAID DENNIS, BUT I
MEANT TO SAY YOU KNOW,
AND I DO KNOW SOMEONE
NAMED DENNIS, I THANK
YOU FOR BEING HERE
DENISE. AND SHE CAME
ALL THE WAY FROM
AUSTRALIA. AND HAVE
YOU BEEN IN AUSTRALIA?
AND THIS IS WHERE SHE
GOT HER COLD.
>>GUEST: I WAS THERE.
>>HERMAN: SO LITERALLY
IN AUSTRALIA, DO THEY
HAVE THIS, THIS SAME,
THE SAME CONFUSION
THAT SOMEHOW, THE
GENDER, THOUGHT
PROCESSES ARE CONFUSED?
>>GUEST: YES THEY HAVE
THAT, I DON'T THINK
THAT WOULD BE ANYWHERE
IN THE WORLD OR ANY
COUNTRY, THAT IS NOT
FACING THIS. IT IS A
SITUATION.
>>HERMAN: WE ALL, AND
WE ALL ARRIVE AT
DIFFERENT PLACES IN OUR
LIVES, DID YOU EVER IN
YOUR WILDEST
IMAGINATION DID YOU
THINK THIS WOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT YOU
WOULD HAVE AT A
CONFERENCE? AND YOU
WOULD TALK ABOUT IT?
AND WHAT BROUGHT YOU TO
THIS PLACE IN YOUR
LIFE?
>>GUEST: WHEN I WAS
NINE, AND MY FATHER
SAID HE WANTED TO BE A
WOMAN, AND SO WALKING
THAT OUT, PERSONALLY,
AND UNDERSTANDING, AND
UNDERSTANDING EVEN AS A
NINE-YEAR-OLD GIRL THAT
MY FATHER-- SOMETHING
WAS NOT RIGHT
EMOTIONALLY OR
MENTALLY. THINGS WERE
NOT RIGHT. ALSO
UNDERSTANDING, THE PAIN
THAT THIS BROUGHT TO
OUR FAMILY. EACH OF US
AND MY MOTHER, MY
MOTHER ESPECIALLY. AND
MY FOUR YOUNGER
SIBLINGS AND THEY HAD
TO WALK IT OUT.
PERSONALLY. AND I ARE
BEASTLY WOULD GRIEVE
THE LOSS OF MY FATHER
DURING THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT. AND I
WAS THINKING HE DID NOT
WANT TO BE MY DAD WHERE
DO I GO? I WAS LOOKING
FOR A FATHER. THERE
WAS A GRIEVING PROCESS
AND I DID NOT KNOW HOW
THIS WOULD CHANGE MY
LIFE, UNTIL REALLY A
FEW YEARS LATER.
>>HERMAN: HOW DID THAT
CHANGE YOU?
>>GUEST: THERE WAS
JEALOUSY AS I MATURED,
AS I WAS A YOUNG WOMAN
WITH MY FATHER. AS I
CONTINUED TO BECOME A
TEENAGER.
>>HERMAN: AND I WANT
YOU TO TALK A LITTLE
LOUDER.
>>GUEST: AND AS I
WOULD BECOME A
TEENAGER, IT WAS NOT
LONG BEFORE MY FATHER
WOULD TAKE MY CLOTHING,
I WOULD FIND THEM AND
THE ARTIST PLACES, AND
MAYBE IN THE ATTIC ARE
BEHIND THE TRUCK. AND I
WAS GOING THROUGH THE
GRIEVING PROCESS AND I
FELT VIOLATED AS A
YOUNG GIRL. I WAS
FEELING LIKE HE
WAS--TAKE MY LIFE. YOU
KNOW, AND THAT IS WHAT
IT FEELS LIKE FOR MOST
WIVES AND WOMEN THAT
WOULD BE IN THE FAMILY.
MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A
MOTHER OR A DAUGHTER,
YOU WILL FEEL THAT YOU
HAVE THE FREEDOM, AND
YOU WANT TO BE FREE AND
THAT IS STOLEN FROM YOU
TO EXPRESS LIKE A
WOMAN.
>>SHARRON: DID YOUR DAD
BUT WHAT DID HE DO?
>>GUEST: YOU KNOW HE
WOULD BE IN THE BEDROOM
AND MAYBE HE WOULD GO
TO THE BARS DRESSED AS
A WOMAN. AND SO, THERE
WERE THOSE ACTIVITIES
THAT WERE HAPPENING.
AND HE DID NOT LEAVE MY
MOTHER UNTIL I WAS 28,
HE WANTED TO BECOME,
"BECKY." IT WAS AT
THAT TIME, AND I WAS
NINE YEARS OLD, BUT
THEN I WAS 28 AND THAT
WAS A LOT OF CHAOS.
>>HERMAN: AND WHEN YOU
FIRST, WHAT HAPPENED
AND WHEN YOU REALIZED,
AND WHAT YEAR WAS THAT
YOU THINK?
>>GUEST: AND WHAT YOU
WOULD THAT BE? 1989.
>>HERMAN: AND SO FROM
1989, UNTIL THIS TIME,
UNTIL NOW, THINGS ARE
CHANGING DRASTICALLY?
AND NOW THIS IS A
PROTECTED CLASS?
>>GUEST: AND YES AND
PEOPLE WOULD HAVE
THOUGHT MAYBE THAT
SOMETHING WAS NOT
RIGHT, AND-- AND THEY
WOULD'VE THOUGHT
SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT,
AND OBVIOUSLY THEY
NEEDED, HE NEEDED SOME
HELP. AND HE NEEDED
SOME UNDERSTANDING OF
THE UNDERLINING ISSUES,
AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING
TO HIM IN LIFE AND
TODAY, THE WHOLE FACT,
ALL OF THE BIOLOGICAL
FACTS, AND
UNDERSTANDING AND HOW
SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD
THIS EXPERIENCE, AND
HOW THEY COULD BE
BROUGHT TO THIS TYPE OF
DECISION, AND THIS WAY
OF THINKING IN THEIR
IDENTITY. THAT THEY
ARE NOT A MALE OR A
FEMALE.
>>HERMAN: AND WAS YOUR
FAMILY, AND WERE THEY
BORN AGAIN? AND WERE
THEY RELIGIOUS? BUT
WHAT WAS THE
BACKGROUND?
>>GUEST: I WAS RAISED
AS A CATHOLIC. I HAD A
BEAUTIFUL MOTHER, SHE
HAD SUCH A STRONG FAITH
IN GOD, SHE DID
RECEIVE CHRIST AS
SAVIOR LATER ON.
>>HERMAN: DID YOUR
FATHER?
>>GUEST: MY FATHER,
YOU KNOW IT WAS
CONFUSING.
>>HERMAN: AND WAS HE A
GOOD CATHOLIC?
>>GUEST: NO, AND YOU
WOULD'VE THOUGHT HE WAS
AN ATHEIST, YOU KNOW
HE SAID IF I WANT TO GO
BE WITH GOD I COULD GO
TO THE WOODS AND NOT TO
THE CHURCH. IT WAS ALL
OF THAT. AND GROWING
UP NO, WE HAD TO
UNDERSTAND THAT MY
MOTHER WAS THE
FAITH-BASED PARENT AND
SHE HAD FAITH IN GOD.
>>HERMAN: ALL RIGHT,
AND DID THE RESULT--
AND THE RESULT THAT
BROUGHT THIS MAN IN
YOUR LIFE, NOW YOU HAVE
A HUSBAND AND A FAMILY,
AND WAS THAT EVER, ---
WAS YOUR THINKING EVER
COMPROMISED?
>>GUEST: CERTAINLY,
SURE YES. I CAN
REMEMBER YES, I WAS
ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD,
AND MAYBE 13 OR 14.
AND I WAS THINKING AND
WHAT IF GOD MADE A
MISTAKE, AND WHAT IF
I'M WRONG, AND MAYBE
MY DAD SHOULD HAVE BEEN
A WOMAN. AND WHAT DOES
THAT MEAN FOR ME? AND
YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO
BE, YOU WANT TO BE OUR
MODEL, AND YOU HAVE
ALL OF THE PICTURES OF
THE GIRLS, ARE YOU
SURE THAT YOU ARE NOT
REALLY GAY? BUT MAYBE
YOU'RE A MAN? AND ALL
OF THE PRETENDING IN MY
MIND AND I KNEW WHAT I
WOULD LOOK LIKE AS A
MAN, I WOULD PLAY IT
OUT, AND WHAT THAT
WOULD MEAN FOR MY
FUTURE. I WOULD GET
THAT HAIRCUT, THE
MUSTACHE AND THE
GLASSES AND THE SUIT
AND MY MANNERISMS.
AND HOW THAT WOULD BE
THAT CAN AFFECT THE
CHILDREN VERY DEEPLY.
IT CERTAINLY DOES AND
HE GIVES THEM
CONFUSION.
>>SHARRON: YOU BECOME
CONFUSED. AND THAT IS
AMAZING.
>>HERMAN: LET'S MOVE
THIS FORWARD. AND THE
BOOK, IT COVERS SO
MANY OF THE QUESTIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, A FAMILY
MEMBER JUST SAYS, I AM
A TRANSGENDER. BUT
WHAT DO YOU DO?
>>GUEST: I THINK ONE
OF THE THINGS, YOU
SHOULD UNDERSTAND, YOU
SHOULD COME TO THEM
WITH COMPASSION. AND
IF THEY SAY THIS TO
THEIR FAMILY THAT THEY
WANT TO BE TRANSGENDER,
I LIKE TO USE THE WORD
IDENTIFY, THAT IS NOT
WHO THEY ARE, THAT IS
NOT THEIR IDENTITY.
>>HERMAN: YOU WHEN YOU
READ THIS, AND WHEN YOU
SEE THE MATERIAL, YOU
POINT IT OUT IN A GREAT
WAY. BUT YOU MUST
UNDERSTAND AND MANY
PEOPLE, AND UNLESS YOU
WOULD READ A LOT AND
UNDERSTAND WHAT IS
GOING ON, AND A LOT OF
THE PEOPLE AND FOR
THEIR LIVES. THEY
DON'T JUST WAKE UP AND
SAY I WILL TRY THIS.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON
FOR LIKE BRUCE JENNER.
I MEAN YOU WOULD THINK
AND THIS GUY WAS A
TRIATHLETE. I MEAN, HE
WAS A SUPERHERO BACK IN
THE 70S. AND HE WAS
DEALING WITH THIS WHILE
HE WAS, WHILE HE WAS
THIS--ATHLETE THAT
NOBODY COULD EVEN COME
CLOSE TO COMPETING
WITH. AND YET HE HAD
THE CONFUSION GOING ON
IN HIS MIND. AND
FINALLY, HE TOOK IT TO
THE ULTIMATE
CONCLUSION. AND NOW,
AND HE THINKS HE IS A
WOMAN. SO THIS IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT YOU WAKE
UP AND SAY I WANT TO
TRY THIS BUT THEY
REALLY WANT THIS, IN
ORDER TO HAVE PEACE
THAT THEY ARE LOOKING
FOR RIGHT?
>>GUEST: AND THEY
DON'T JUST WAKE UP AND
I AM A BOY OR A GIRL,
AND THIS IS YOU KNOW IT
TAKES YEARS OF THE
MANIFESTATION THAT
TAKES PLACE. AND PART
OF THE TIME THEY MIGHT
REVEAL IT TO SOMEBODY,
AND THEY HAVE TO DEAL
WITH IT. AND THEY NEED
TO PURGE, AND THEY
TRIED TO FIX IT
THEMSELVES IN A SENSE.
>>HERMAN: AND THIS
WOULD BE ONE THING THAT
WOULD RELATE TO ME.
YOU KNOW I THANK GOD,
AND I REALLY MEAN THAT
THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD TO
DEAL WITH THAT IN MY
FAMILY, BUT WHAT WOULD
A GRANDPARENT AND YOU
KNOW THE GRANDPARENTS
HAVE THIS, DAY HAVE
THIS FAMILY THING.
AND THE BOY IS A BOY,
AND YOU DON'T LIVE
TOGETHER UNTIL HE
REMARRIED AND THE GIRLS
ARE GIRLS. AND ALL OF
THE THINGS THE WORD OF
GOD TEACHES BUT
NOW--THE PARENTS, THE
PARENTS OF THE
GRANDCHILD, THEY WILL
REVEAL TO THEM, THAT
THE GRANDCHILD, THEY
ARE TRANSGENDER. AND
THEN YOU TALK ABOUT IT,
AND HOW DOES THAT, --
AND HOW DOES THAT, ---
AND FIRST OF ALL THE
GRANDPARENTS HAVE TO
COPE WITH THIS THING,
AND THAT WOULD BE A
SHOCK. AND I AM SURE
THEY WOULD BE THINKING
AT WHAT MOST PEOPLE
WOULD THINK, THIS IS
SO RIDICULOUS. AND
THEY JUST THINK THAT
THEY WANT TO BE THIS
WAY. AND SO THAT WOULD
BE SOMETHING THAT MUST
BE EXPLAINED, BUT YOU
KNOW THIS IS WHAT THEY
THINK THEY ARE AND HOW
DO YOU HANDLE IT?
>>GUEST: AND ONE OF
THE WE EASIEST WAYS TO
EXPLAIN IT, MAYBE IF
SOMEBODY WAS OLDER, IT
WOULD BE LIKE, LIKE A
GIRL THAT IS ANOREXIC.
AND SHE SEES HERSELF AS
SHE IS TOO FAT. AND
SO FOR THAT PERSON THEY
LOOK INTO THE MIRROR,
AND THEY SEE THEMSELVES
WITH THIS DYSMORPHIA.
AND SO, IT ALSO IS,
IT WOULD BE LIKE AN
ADDICTION. IT WOULD BE
IT HAS BEEN PLANTED, AS
A SEED AND THIS TAKES
MANY YEARS, IT IS ALL
DOWN THE ROAD. AND
WHERE THIS CAN BE
DEVASTATING TO
CHRISTIAN FAMILIES WITH
CHRISTIAN PARENTS, AND
THE GRANDPARENTS AND
SOMETIMES THEY ARE NOT
CHRISTIANS. BUT
USUALLY THE
GRANDPARENTS THEY TAKE
THE GRANDCHILDREN, AND
MAYBE THEY GRADUATE
HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEY
GO TO LIVE WITH
GRANDPARENTS, AND THEY
ALLOW THEM TO PURSUE
THESE THINGS. THIS
OTHER IDENTITY. AND
THIS IS WHERE THE
RIPPLE EFFECT IS JUST,
IT JUST GOES ON AND THE
RELATIONSHIP WITHIN THE
FAMILY.
>>HERMAN: YOU POINTED
THIS OUT FOR THE LAST
TIME YOU ARE WITH US
AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE
THE TRANSGENDER BARBIE
DOLLS. I MEAN, AND
YOU SEE HOW THIS IS
SOLD? IN OTHER WORDS
IT WOULD BECOME A JUST
A NORMAL THING, AND
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG,
IF THIS IS WHO YOU
ARE-- WE WILL GIVE THE
CHILD A TOY, THEY CAN
CONTINUE -- THEY CAN
SEE THIS AS NORMAL.
AND NOW WE HAVE THIS
HUGE CONTROVERSY. AND
WHERE THE STATES, OR
THE FOOTBALL TEAMS,
AND THE STADIUMS, THAT
GAMES ARE CANCELED
BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS,
THEY WILL NOT HAVE
ANY TRANSGENDER
BATHROOMS. IT PULLS
AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
BUT THAT TAKES IT OUT
OF THE STATE AND THE
CITY AND WHEREVER THEY
MIGHT HAVE IT. SO NOW
THIS IS BECOMING, -- I
CANNOT HAVE AN OPINION,
IT IS BECOMING IF YOU
HAVE AN OPINION, WE
ARE GOING TO--- DESTROY
YOUR CITY, YOUR STATE,
YOUR INCOME BECAUSE YOU
HAVE THIS OPINION.
>>GUEST: AND THIS IS
NOT TOLERANCE, YOU
KNOW, THIS IS NOT
TOLERANT. AND WE HAVE--
WE HAVE GOT THIS
MESSAGE OF TOLERANCE
FOR SO LONG AND NOW WE
ARE THE PEOPLE, AND WE
BELIEVE, THAT THIS
OPINION, THAT WE HAVE
ABOUT MEN'S BATHROOM,
THEY WILL SAY HOW DARE
YOU?
>>SHARRON: AND DID YOUR
FATHER REMAIN, WAS HE
TRANSGENDER?
>>GUEST: HE PASSED
AWAY, AND HE PASSED
AWAY AS BECKY. AND HE
REMAINED THAT WAY.
>>SHARRON: SO HOW DID
THAT AFFECT YOU
THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE?
EVEN TODAY?
>>HERMAN: INTERESTING.
>>SHARRON: AS FAR AS
YOU ARE THINKING.
>>GUEST: I WOULD
DEFINITELY SAY I WOULD
HAVE NOT THE COMPASSION
OR UNDERSTAND, WHAT
THAT PERSON IS GOING
THROUGH WITHOUT WALKING
IT OUT WITH MY FATHER.
AND IN HIS LAST FIVE
MONTHS OF LIFE ON THE
EARTH. I SPENT THE
TIME WITH HIM. AND
GOING FROM A CHILD, TO
A TEENAGER WITH A LOT
OF PAIN IN MY HOME,
AND THEN, I HAD THAT
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
>>SHARRON: AND DID YOU
HAVE A RELATIONSHIP
WITH HIM AT THE END?
>>GUEST: YES, I DID.
AND AGAIN AND I WOULD
BE REMINDED AS AN
ADULT, AND YOU KNOW,
AND WHAT HAD LET MY
FATHER DOWN THIS ROAD
AND THIS BELIEF SYSTEM.
IT WAS A FALSE BELIEF.
JESUS TAUGHT THE TRUTH
AND IF YOU FOLLOW HIM,
LIKE YOU USE THE
SCRIPTURES.
>>HERMAN: AND YOU TALK
ABOUT THIS IN YOUR BOOK
AND YOU TALK ABOUT
THIS, FOR EVERY
OPINION.
>>GUEST: AND WE MIGHT
NOT SEE THE WORD
TRANSGENDER IN THE
BIBLE, BUT AS WE TALK
ABOUT THIS TYPE OF
SITUATION AND HANDLING
IT, AND LIKE THE NAME,
THE PRONOUNS, THAT WAS
THE HARDEST THING TO
WRITE DOWN AND I KNOW
THE FAMILIES ARE
STRUGGLING WITH THIS.
AND I HAD, IT WAS
SOMETHING THAT I WAS SO
ADAMANT ABOUT. AND THE
TRUTH WAS ABOUT MY DAD,
HE WAS BORN AS A MAN,
HE WAS BORN AS A SON
AND HE WAS A HUSBAND.
AND THOSE WERE THE
THINGS HE WAS, AND FOR
ME TO SAY HE WAS BECKY,
I WOULD TAKE HIM
FURTHER DOWN THE
DELUSION THAT HE WAS A
WOMAN. AND SO, IT WAS
NOT OUT OF VENGEANCE,
I WAS HOPING HE COULD
HEAR THE TRUTH.
>>HERMAN: NO
DISRESPECT?
>>GUEST: NO. NO.
>>HERMAN: AND THIS IS
THE MINDSET OF THE
WORLD THAT YOU ARE JUST
CRUEL. AND WHAT DO YOU
DO, AND YOUR BOOK TALKS
ABOUT THIS ON PAGE 28,
THEY ARE TRANSGENDER,
BUT THEY ARE LIVING,
AND THEY LIVE WITH
SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE
THE SAME GENDER, OKAY?
IT'S CONFUSING. AND
ARE THEY GAY? AND I
MEAN, BRUCE JENNER,
HE HAS NEVER HAD THE
OPERATION THAT WOULD
CHANGE HIS SEX. AND
HOW DOES THAT WORK?
AND I MEAN, IF WE LIKE
I AM TRANSGENDER, I
WALKED OUT OF THE DOOR,
I LOOK LIKE A WOMAN
EVERY DAY. I DON'T
HAVE THE WOMEN'S
PLUMBING. I AM LIVING
WITH, I'M LIVING WITH
ANOTHER WOMAN. BUT
WHAT IS THAT?
>>GUEST: BIOLOGICALLY
HE IS A MAN. SO IF HE
IS LIVING WITH A
FEMALE, EVEN THOUGH HE
HAS A FEMALE IDENTITY,
IN HIS MIND, AND IN
SOMEONE'S MIND, THEY
WOULD BE A LESBIAN.
BIOLOGICALLY AND WE
MUST LOOK AT WHERE THEY
ARE BIOLOGICALLY. AND MY
DAD, WANTED
RELATIONSHIP WITH OTHER
MEN, I HAVE THE
LETTERS, I WAS 39 AND
READING LETTERS. I DID
NOT WANT TO KNOW THIS
IS A TEENAGER BUT I SAW
HE HAD AN ATTRACTION TO
MY BOYFRIEND, I WAS
STILL DEALING WITH HIM
WANTED TO BE A WOMAN
AND I CANNOT GO THERE.
HE WAS MALE
BIOLOGICALLY. BUT THIS
IS IN THE MIND OF THE
PERSON AND WHAT DO THEY
THINK ABOUT? AND WHAT
DO THEY FANTASIZE
ABOUT? WE MUST LOOK AT
THE TRUTH.
>>HERMAN: WOW. YOUR
BOOK SAYS, YOUR BOOK
SAYS SHOULD YOU ALLOW
YOUR GENDER CONFUSED
LOVED ONE SHOULD THEY
DRESS AS A MAN OR A
WOMAN WISHES? AND
THERE YOU ARE, YOU
HAVE GOT-- YOU HAVE GOT
THE SPOUSE THAT IS BORN
AGAIN, WHICHEVER ONE,
BUT WHAT DO I DO HERE?
>>GUEST: SO FOR THE
WIFE,AND SHE HAS A
PART, AND WHAT IS THAT
DOING TO THE WIFE
EMOTIONALLY? IF SHE
WOULD BE OPPOSED TO
WHAT THE HUSBAND IS
DOING? THIS IS WHERE
WE LOOK AT THE TURMOIL
OF THE FAMILY UNIT, THE
DYNAMIC. IT PLAYS A
PART. FOR THE WIFE
HEAVENLY HUSBAND DRESS
LIKE THIS, AND TO DO
THIS IN PRIVATE, AND
MOST OF THEM, THEY
CANNOT DO THIS AND THEY
FEEL LIKE THEY ARE
LESBIANS. AND THIS IS
NOT WHO THEY ARE AND
WHO THEY MARRIED. THEY
HAVE MARRIED A MAN.
THEY HAVE MARRIED A
MAN, AT THIS IS AN
ADDICTION LIKE WE WERE
SPEAKING ABOUT EARLIER.
SO, THIS IS NOT GOING
TO IT DOES NOT STOP.
AND MY MOTHER WOULD
PURCHASE THINGS FOR MY
DAD, AND I WAS THINKING
WHAT YOU DO TO MY
MOTHER BECAUSE YOU'RE
MAKING YOUR PURCHASE
THESE THINGS? WHAT ARE
YOU DOING?
>>HERMAN: AND LOOK AT
WHAT BRUCE JENNER DID
TO HIS FAMILY. THEY
WERE IN TURMOIL. SHE
COULD NOT HANDLE IT.
>>SHARRON: AND WHY
WOULD YOUR MOTHER STAY
ALL OF THOSE YEARS?
THAT WOULD BE SUCH AN
UNBELIEVABLE SITUATION.
>>GUEST: AND YES AS
STRONG AS SHE WAS IN
HER FAITH, SHE WAS
ACTUALLY WEAK. AND SHE
TRIED TO LIVE IN
DENIAL. HE WOULD HAVE
A LOT OF MIGRAINE
HEADACHES, THERE WERE
SO MANY THINGS THAT
WERE THE SIDE EFFECTS
OF THIS, AND MY
MOTHER WOULD HAVE GREAT
HEADACHES.
>>HERMAN: AND WOULD
YOUR DAD WATCH TV IS A
WOMAN?
>>GUEST: NOT IN FRONT
OF THE CHILDREN. AND
SO, HE WAS JUST LIKE
THIS WITH MY MOTHER IN
PRIVATE. AND THE
ONLY...
>>SHARRON: THAT IS SO
HARD TO GET YOUR HEAD
AROUND.
>>GUEST: I LEARNED NOT
TO ADD WHEN I WOULD
HEAR IN THE ATTIC I
WOULD NOT GOING TO THE
ATTIC, AND I FOUND THE
CLOTHING, THERE WERE
DIFFERENT PLACES AND I
HEARD THE NOISES. AND
I DID NOT KNOW WHAT I
WOULD WALK INTO.
>>HERMAN: YOU KNOW IS
THIS PREVALENT? AND IS
THIS ONE OR TWO?
>>GUEST: AND THIS IS
OUR SOCIETY, WITH THIS
ACCEPTANCE. AND WHERE
WE HAVE TO BE REALLY
DISCERNING, AND WE
SHOULD BE CONCERNED.
AND THIS WOULD BE A
TYPE OF GLORY, IT IS
GLORIFIED. WE HAVE
CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS,
THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO
THEY ARE AS WE ALL DO
AS TEENAGERS. AND THEN
TO THINK YOU KNOW LOOK
AT THIS IS
HOLLYWOOD. AND YOU
KNOW, IT ALL APPEARS
POWERFUL. I HAVE
SPOKEN WITH THE
TEENAGERS, THE FRIENDS,
EVEN THOUGH THEY
THEMSELVES AND THE
PERSON NEVER HAS
QUESTIONED THEIR
IDENTITY, OF BEING A
BOY OR A GIRL. BUT YOU
KNOW, AND ARE YOU SURE
YOU LIKE THAT DRESS?
AND SO THEY ARE SO
CONFUSED ABOUT THIS. IT
IS DEVASTATING.
>>HERMAN: MAYBE YOU
WOULD REMEMBER AND I
CAN REMEMBER BACK IN,
I WAS BORN IN 1939, WE
WILL GO TO 1941. IT
WOULD NOT BE UNUSUAL
FROM MY MOTHER, TO
HOLD ME IN THE GIRLS
DRESS. DO YOU REMEMBER
THOSE GIRLS PICTURES?
LIKE THE BAPTISMAL?
LIKE THE BAPTISMAL? AND
WE HAVE THEM. I WOULD
BE IN A GIRLS DRESS.
BUT YOU KNOW, AND WITH
THE SOCIETY AT WITH
THIS HAPPENING, THEY
COULD GO BACK AND THEY
COULD SAY YES, SEE,
YOU WERE IDENTIFIED
RIGHT THERE, AND
SOMEBODY TOOK IT AWAY
FROM YOU. I MEAN, IT
IS COMPLETELY CRAZY.
AND THEY MEANT NOTHING
BY IT. AND YET, AND
YOU TAKE THAT TO THIS
TIME, AND THIS TIME IN
HISTORY. AND ALL OF A
SUDDEN, IT LOOKS LIKE
WE WERE SUPPRESSING
SOMETHING.
>>SHARRON: AND DO YOU
FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE
MORE NOW THAN THERE
EVER WAS BEFORE?
>>GUEST: OH, YES
DEFINITELY AND WITH OUR
CULTURE, AND WE ARE
PUSHING THIS AGENDA,
IT IS IN THE SCHOOLS.
IT IS IN THE TEACHERS
AND THE COUNSELORS.
>>SHARRON: SO TELL ME
WHY? AND WHY IS IT
BEING PUSHED SO HARD?
>>GUEST: AND ONE OF THE
CAUSES WOULD BEING,
HAVING PEOPLE IN THE
RIGHT POSITION, LIKE OF
THE SCHOOLS. AND OF
COURSE YOU KNOW YOU ARE
SO HATEFUL, AND HOW
DARE YOU SAY THAT MY
SON CANNOT USE THE
GIRLS RESTROOM BECAUSE
HE IS A GIRL. IT WOULD
BE A LANGUAGE THING,
AND THEY ARE USING THE
LANGUAGE. IT IS
ENABLING THIS.
>>HERMAN: CAN THEY
EVER CHANGE, TRUE OR
FALSE?
>>GUEST:
CERTAINLY-SURE-YES.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO AND
SOMEONE WHO MIGHT
BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD
BE THE OTHER IDENTITY,
THEY ARE NOT STUCK.
GOD IS, GOD IS A
WONDERFUL FATHER, AND
HE DESIRES TO BRING YOU
HEALING TO ALL OF US
CHILDREN, AND TO TAKE
THEM OUT OF THE
BONDAGE.
>>SHARRON: HAVE YOU MET
PEOPLE, THAT HAVE GOT
BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL
IDENTITY?
>>GUEST: YES I HAVE
GOT A TESTIMONY AND
THEY HAVE GOT A
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD,
IN ALL HONESTY IT WOULD
BE BETTER THAN MY OWN,
MORE POWERFUL. THAT
WOULD BE BECAUSE OF
WHAT THEY HAVE COME OUT
OF, THEY UNDERSTAND,
THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT
THEY WERE IN AND THEY
WERE TAKEN OUT OF IT.
>>HERMAN: I'M SURE
THEY REALIZE THAT THEY
GIVE HIM PRAISE EVERY
DAY, WHERE THEY HAD
COME FROM.
>>GUEST: AND THEY
REALIZE THE TREASURE
THEY ARE TO GOD..
>>SHARRON: THAT IS
AMAZING.
>>HERMAN: DOES THE
BIBLE FORBID
TRANSGENDERISM?
>>GUEST: I BELIEVE
THAT IT DOES. WE HAVE
DEUTERONOMY 22:5, AND
THAT WOULD BE THE OLD
TESTAMENT, AND WHAT
ABOUT THE MEN THAT ARE
EFFEMINATE? AND ALSO
THE BOOK OF ROMANS.
>>HERMAN: ROMANS 1:24?
>>GUEST: AND WE ALSO
HAVE, AS WE LOOK AT OUR
HEALTHY BODY PARTS,
AND WE ARE REMOVING
HEALTHY BODY PARTS TO
MATCH WHAT THE MIND
SAYS, AND OUR MIND IS
NOT MATCHING UP WITH
THE FACTS, AND WHAT IS
REALITY. WE ARE
STARTING TO LIVE IN
THIS WORLD THAT IS
DISILLUSIONED.
>>SHARRON: ABSOLUTELY.
>>GUEST: IF SOMEBODY
WANTS TO BE A CAT, AND
ONE WOMAN DOES AND SHE
WANTS TO CRAWL ON THE
FLOOR. SHE WEARS A CAT
OUTFIT AND SCRATCHES
THE DOOR. PEOPLE NEED
HELP. WE HAVE A YOUNG
WOMAN, SHE BELIEVES
SHE WAS BLIND. AND SHE
TALKED HER PSYCHOLOGIST
TO DO IT. AND SHE PUT
SOME LIQUID IN HER EYES
AND NOW SHE IS BLIND.
PEOPLE NEED HELP. THEY
NEED GODLY COMPASSION
GODLY TRUTH. AND THE
PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE
REALLY WANTING TO HELP
THEM.
>>HERMAN: THERE ARE
PREACHERS THAT FEEL,
THAT HOMOSEXUALITY,
THAT YOU CAN HAVE A
LOVING RELATIONSHIP AND
THAT WOULD BE
ACCEPTABLE, AND THAT
WOULD BE LIKE A MARRIED
COUPLE. CAN A
TRANSGENDER COUPLE GO
TO CHURCH ON A REGULAR
BASIS AND FEEL LIKE
THIS WOULD BE ME AND
THIS IS THE WAY THAT I
AM? AND I AM
COMFORTABLE, AND I
WOULD COME TO CHURCH
AND WORSHIP. CAN THAT
BE DONE? RIGHT?
>>GUEST: YES.
>>HERMAN: BUT WHAT DO
YOU THINK?
>>GUEST: I THINK,FOR
SOMEONE, THAT WOULD BE
GOING INTO CHURCH AND
THEY ARE TRANSGENDER,
I WOULD HOPE THAT THEIR
HEART COULD BE OPENED,
THAT GOD WANTS TO REACH
THEM. BECAUSE, THAT
WOULD BE WHAT WE NEED
TO TELL THEM AND REACH
THEM WHERE THEY ARE AT.
AND GOD CAN TAKE THEM
BEYOND THESE THINGS.
>>HERMAN: PRAY WITH
SOMEBODY WATCHING RIGHT
NOW. THEY MIGHT HAVE
THE SAME THING AND NO
ONE KNOWS, THEY HAVE
TUNED IN, IT IS BY
ACCIDENT. WE HAVE
ABOUT 60 SECONDS.
>>GUEST: DEAR LORD
JESUS AND I WOULD JUST
PRAY FOR ANYBODY OUT
THERE THAT IS
STRUGGLING WITH THEIR
TRUE IDENTITY AND WHO
THEY ARE, OR ANY
FAMILY MEMBER, THAT
HAS FOUND THEMSELVES IN
THIS TYPE OF SITUATION.
THAT YOU WOULD SHOW
YOURSELF TO THEM. THEY
WOULD COME TO YOU AND
THEY WOULD KNOW YOU AS
THE PERSONAL HEALER AND
GOD. AND THEY WOULD
KNOW THE LOVE OF THE
COMFORT THAT YOU HAVE
FOR THEM. WE DO KNOW
THE TRUTH CAN BE HARD
TO FACE BUT WITH YOU,
WE CAN HAVE THE COURAGE
TO FACE IT. I WOULD
PRAY THAT YOU WOULD
COVER THEM, LORD. I
PRAY THAT YOU WOULD
BRING THEM TO THE FEET
OF JESUS. AMEN.
>>HERMAN: THE WORD OF
GOD FIRST JOHN 1:9,
THIS WOULD BE A MESSAGE
FOR CHRISTIANS, EVEN
SOMEONE TRANSGENDER, IF
YOU THINK YOU ARE BORN
AGAIN, AND YOU CANNOT
GET AWAY FROM IT AND
THE BIBLE SAYS IF WE
WILL CONFESS OUR SINS
HE IS FAITHFUL AND HE
IS JUST TO FORGIVE US
OF OUR SINS AND TO
CLEANSE US FROM ALL
UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. TRUST
HIM. GOD BLESS YOU.
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