W
YOU CAN APPLY.
WE ARE ALSO EXPECTING HIM TO 
TALK ABOUT THE VOLUNTEER WORK 
THAT COUNTS, WHAT TYPES OF 
ORGANIZATIONS, HOW MANY HOURS 
YOU HAVE TO WORK TO QUALIFY FOR 
THE MONEY, ALL TRYING TO SUPPORT
STUDENTS AT A TIME WHEN IT IS 
MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND ANY 
KIND OF EMPLOYMENT FOR STUDENTS 
INCLUDED.
LET'S BRING IN MY COLLEAGUES, 
THE HOST OF POWER AND POLITICS 
VASSY KAPELOS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE KINDS OF 
QUESTIONS HE WOULD GET, WHILE 
SOME MIGHT BE ROLT TO DO THIS, 
WE WOULD EXPECT OTHER TOPICS TO 
COME UP AS WELL PARTICULARLY 
AROUND THE LETTER YOUR SHOW 
REPORTED ON LAST NIGHT FROM 19 
FORMER PARLIAMENTARIANS AND 
WELL-KNOWN CANADIANS CALLING FOR
THE GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE TO 
HELP MICHAEL KOVRIG AND MICHAEL 
SPAVOR BE RELEASED FROM A 
CHINESE PRISON.
>> THIS CONVERSATION HAS REALLY 
EVOLVED THIS WEEK ON THE HEELS, 
OF COURSE, OF MICHAEL KOVRIG AND
MICHAEL SPAVOR GETTING CHARGED 
LAST FRIDAY, NEARLY A WEEK AGO 
IN CHINA, WITH ESSENTIALLY 
SPYING.
A PRODUCER ON OUR SHOW WAS ABLE 
TO OBTAIN THAT LETTER, 19 VERY 
PROMINENT POLITICAL FIGURES, 
EVERYONE ALAN ROCK TO ED 
BROADBENT, FORMER CANADIAN 
AMBASSADOR TO THE U.S. AND 
OBVIOUSLY WORKED IF THE BRIAN 
MULRONEY GOVERNMENT FOR A LONG 
TIME AS WELL.
WIDE RANGE OF PEOPLE YOU 
WOULDN'TDY I THINK THE REASON 
THIS LETTER HAS SORT OF REALLY 
HIT A NERVE IS BECAUSE YOU 
WOULDN'T EXPECT NECESSARILY ALL 
THOSE NAMES ON THE LETTER AND 
THE GIST OF THE LETTER IS 
ESSENTIALLY CONSIDER THIS 
OPINION, THIS LEGAL OPINION, 
THAT WAS SENT BY MICHAEL 
KOVRIG'S FAMILY TO THE 
GOVERNMENT ON MAY 22nd WHICH 
SAYS YOU HAVE THE OPTION AS 
JUSTICE MINISTER TO INTERVENE IN
THE EXTRADITION CASE AGAINST 
MENG WANZHOU TONED TO END IT, 
ESSENTIALLY, BEFORE IT 
CONCLUDES.
THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE JUSTICE 
MINISTER TO EITHER SIGN OFF ON 
THE EXTRADITION OR NOT AND THEY 
HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF 
REASONS WHY THEY CAN DO THAT.
WHAT THIS LEGAL OPINION HAS 
SAID, ONE THE FAMILY APPEARS TO 
SUPPORT AS IT'S SENT OVER TO THE
PRIME MINISTER, IS, NO, YOU 
ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE A 
REASON AND YOU CAN INTERVENE 
BEFORE THEN.
OBVIOUSLY THE ARGUMENT AGAINST 
THAT IS THIS ESSENTIALLY COULD 
BE PERCEIVED AS GIVING IN TO 
HOSTAGE DIPLOMACY AND SET A VERY
DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR THE 
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CANADA AND 
THE U.S.
BUT THE GIST OF WHAT ALL THESE 
POLITICAL FIGURES ARE SAYING IS 
YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THIS.
YOU SHOULDN'T BE DISMISSING IT 
OUT OF HAND, WHICH IS HOW THEY 
PERCEIVE THE GOVERNMENT HAS, I 
GUESS, ADDRESS THE ISSUE SO FAR.
THEY ALL ADMIT THAT THE 
DISCUSSION AROUND SHOULD YOU 
INTERVENE IS PERHAPS A MORE 
COMPLICATED ONE, BUT THE LETTER 
ARGUES THAT, YES, HE SHOULD 
INTERVENE.
NOT ONLY CAN YOU, BUT SHOULD 
YOU.
THE PRIME MINISTER SO FAR HAS 
VERY MUCH SAID THAT IS NOT ON 
OPTION.
HE WAS SPECIFIC THE LAST TIME HE
GAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE -- I 
THINK IT WAS MONDAY -- HE WAS 
ASKED ABOUT A POSITION ACTUALLY 
ORIGINALLY JOHN MANLEY HAD PUT 
FORTH MONTHS AGO AND NOW IT 
APPEARS JOHN MANLEY CERTAINLY 
ISN'T ALONE, TONS OF OTHER 
POLITICAL PEOPLE, NOT JUST 
FORMER LIBERALS, WHICH IS HOW IT
HAD BEEN CHARACTERIZED BEFORE.
I THINK THERE WILL BE A NUMBER 
OF POINTED QUESTIONS, NOT ONLY 
BECAUSE OF WHO SIGNED THE LETTER
BUT THE FAMILY SENT THAT LEGAL 
OPINION TO THE PRIME MINISTER.
THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RESPONSE
YET.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS 
FRUSTRATION THERE.
I DO EXPECT A NUMBER OF 
QUESTIONS TO THE PRIME MINISTER 
ON THIS.
I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF HIS 
POSITION CHANGES, BECAUSE HE HAS
BEEN VERY CONSISTENT IN REFUTH  
FUTING THE -- REFUTING THE IDEA 
THAT WILL THERE BE ANY POLITICAL
INTERVENTION OTHER THAN AT THE 
END OF ALL COURT PROCEEDINGS. 
>> Rosemary: CATHERINE, IT IS 
INTERESTING, AND I AGREE, I 
DON'T THINK THE PRIME MINISTER'S
POSITION WILL CHANGE.
THE POSITION HAS BEEN WE HAVE A 
JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT IS INLAND 
FROM THE POLITICAL SYSTEM, WE 
WILL LET THINGS UNFOLD, AS THEY 
ARE SUPPOSED TO, AND WE DON'T 
PLAN TO BER INTERVENE AT ANY 
POINT.
THE CRITICS' REVIEW OF THIS 
LETTER IS ONCE YOU SHOW YOUR 
HAND TO CHINA THAT YOU ARE 
WILLING TO BEND, WHAT LEVERAGE 
DOES IT GIVE CHINA GOING 
FORWARD. 
>> AND NOT JUST CHINA. 
>> Rosemary: AND NOT JUST CHINA,
BUT ALSO -- AND THEN ALSO WHAT 
HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T RELEASE 
THE MICHAELS.
IF YOU RELEASE MENG WANZHOU AND 
MOVE AWAY FROM THAT AND CHINA 
DOESN'T RECIPROCATE.
IT'S A TERRIBLE SITUATION 
REGARDLESS, BUT IT PUTS THEM IN 
A AWKWARD POSITION AND THAT CASE
TOO. 
>> IT'S INTERESTING TO CONSIDER 
WHAT THIS DEBATE AND ATTENTION 
IN THE LAST WEEK WHICH WAS 
RATCHETED UP LAST FRIDAY WHEN 
CHINA ANNOUNCED IT WAS CHARGING 
MICHAEL KOVRIG AND MICHAEL 
SPAVOR WITH SPYING, BUT WHAT ALL
THIS ADDITIONAL ATTENTION HAS OR
HASN'T DONE FOR THE CASE OF THE 
TWO MEN.
THERE'S CERTAINLY THE TONE HAS 
RATCHETED UP ONCE AGAIN BETWEEN 
BOTH THE PRIME MINISTER AND 
OFFICIALS WE'RE HEARING ON THE 
CHINESE SIDE WHO HAVE CALLED THE
PRIME MINISTER, FOR INSTANCE, 
IRRESPONSIBLE.
WE DID HEAR HAD THE OTHER DAY 
FROM OFFICIALS IN CHINA THAT 
THERE IS PERHAPS A BIT OF GOOD 
NEWS FOR THE MICHAELS, THEY ARE 
LOOKING AT RETURNING CONSULAR 
ACCESS TO THEM, CERTAIN WE KNOW 
MICHAEL KOVRIG'S FAMILY WAS 
ENCOURAGED TO HEAR THAT.
THEY VAPT HAD CONSULAR ACCESS 
SINCE I BELIEVE IT WAS JANUARY 
AND THE CHINESE OFFICIALS CITED 
COVID-19 AS THE REASON FOR THAT 
ARE, BUT WE KNOW THEY'RE LIVING 
IN VERY DIFFICULT CONDITIONS 
RIGHT NOW AND THAT IT'S 
CERTAINLY SOMETHING MOST 
FAMILIES AND CANADIAN OFFICIALS 
HAVE CANNED TO SEE, BUT ALSO 
JUST THIS DISCUSSION, AND WE CAN
I THINK ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND 
WHY PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED FOR
THE WELLBEING OF THESE TWO MEN 
ARE BRINGING UP THIS OPTION.
SHE SEE THIS SITUATION AS 
SOMETHING OF A POLITICAL 
STALEMATE, THEY SEE A WAY OUT, 
AND ON THE OTHER HAND THEY SEE A
SITUATION THAT COULD GO ON FOR 
YEARS AS MENG WANZHOU'S 
EXTRADITION HEARING PLAYS OUT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT DOES 
SEND A MESSAGE TO CHINA -- AND 
WE'RE SEEING THIS IN THE WORDS 
OF FOREIGN MINISTRY 
SPOKESPERSON -- THAT THIS IS 
POSSIBLE, THAT THIS IS A ROUTE 
THAT CANADA CAN PURSUE, SO CHEEN
HAS RESPONDED BY SAYING, LISTEN,
THIS IS BEING RAISED, JUST DO 
IT.
IT BECOMES A BIT COMPLEX, 
BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND CHINA 
HAS LARGELY DENIED IT IS LINKING
THE CASES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME 
I THINK IT IS WIDELY UNDERSTOOD 
THAT THOSE THINGS DO SEEM TO BE 
LINKED AND THERE ARE PARTICULAR 
INSTANCES WHERE CHINESE 
OFFICIALS SEEM TO BE LINKING 
THEM.
THE TENSION HAS RATCHETED UP, 
THERE IS NO CLEAR WAY TO EXIT 
THIS.
I KNOW ON VASSY'S SHOW ON 
FRIDAY, THE HEAD OF THE 
INTERNATIONAL CRISIS GROUP WHICH
INCLUDES MICHAEL SPAVOR SAYS 
THIS WHOLE CRISIS IS POLITICAL, 
THE ONLY SITUATION, THE ONLY WAY
THESE MEN WILL BE FREED, THAT 
WILL HAVE TO BE A POLITICAL 
SOLUTION AS WELL.
WHAT THAT SOLUTION WILL BE 
REMAINS TO BE SEEN, AND AS VASSY
SAID, IT WOULD BE A SURPRISE 
CERTAINLY IF THE PRIME 
MINISTER'S TONE CHANGED TODAY.
>> Rosemary: BUT HE WILL GET 
QUESTIONS NONETHELESS.
I WILL COME BACK TO YOU SHORTLY,
IF YOU DON'T MIND, BECAUSE THE 
OTHER PART OF THE STORY WE ARE 
WATCHING TODAY IS THE 
COVID-RELATED PART OF THE STORY,
IS THE FACT THAT GLOBAL 
INFECTIONS ARE SURGING.
THE TOTAL IS NOW RAPIDLY CLOSING
IN ON 10 MILLION WITH ALMOST 
HALF A MILLION DEATHS.
IT TOOK THREE MONTHS FOR THE 
WORLD TO GET TO 1 MILLION CASES,
SO THE MOST RECENT 1 MILLION 
INCREASE TOOK 6 DAYS.
DOCTOR, GOOD TO SEE YOU, 
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. 
>> MY PLEASURE. 
>> Rosemary: OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS 
VERY TROUBLE,ING, EVEN AS WE 
SEEM TO HAVE GOT A HOLD ON THE 
NUMBER OF CASES IN CANADA.
IT'S PARTICULARLY TROUBLING WHEN
WE LOOK SOUTH OF THE BORDER TO 
SEE WHAT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE 
ANOTHER WAVE IN THE 
UNITED STATES, ALTHOUGH IT ALSO 
JUST SEEMS TO BE THE VIRUS 
MOVING INTO PLACES WHERE IT 
HADN'T BEEN CONTAINED.
SO MAYBE WE CAN START THERE, 
GIVE ME YOUR READ ON WHAT YOU 
THINK IS HAPPENING IN THE U.S.
>> SO I DO THINK THAT'S WHAT IS 
GOING ON IS WE'RE HAVING 
INFECTIONS IN PLACES THAT 
HAVEN'T SEEN VERY MANY BEFORE.
WE'RE ALSO DOING A LITTLE BETTER
JOB OF TESTING FOR THEM, SO I 
THINK THAT'S A BIG PART OF US 
SEEING A MILLION CASES IN A FEW 
SHORT DAYS IS THAT SUPPLIES ARE 
OUT THERE, TESTING CAPABILITIES 
ARE OUT THERE AND WE'RE DOING A 
BETTER JOB OF GETTING OUT AND 
LOOKING AT THOSE.
BUT WE'RE SEEING A SURGE OF 
PLACES WHERE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN 
SEEN BEFORE, AND IT IS TROUBLE.
WE'LL HAVE TO START KEEPING AN 
EYE ON -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
CONTINUE TO -- AND THIS IS 
UNFORTUNATE FOR THE PEOPLE IN 
THE TRAVEL INDUSTRY -- WITH YOU 
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP 
RESTRICTIONS ON TRAVEL.
>> Rosemary: THE BORDER, THE 
CANADA-U.S. BORDER REMAINS 
CLOSED TO NONESSENTIAL TRAVEL TO
THE END OF JULY.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS TODAY
IN THE UNITED STATES, TO ME I 
WONDER WHEN THE BORDER WILL EVER
OPEN AT THIS POINT.
IS THAT FAIR TO SAY, GAVEN THAT 
THAT HUGE SPIKE IN CASES, EVEN 
IF THEY'RE NOT BORDER STATES?
EXACTLY.
WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON 
THAT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OUR 
NUMBERS DOWN, THE BEST WAY OF 
DOING THAT IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
NOT IMPORTING ANY CASES FROM 
ELSEWHERE. 
>> Rosemary: THE W.H.O. IS ALSO 
RAISING THE ALARM ON EUROPE CASE
LEVELS.
OF COURSE MANY OF OUR ORIGINAL 
CASES CAME FROM EUROPE, PEOPLE 
RETURNING FROM VACATION IN 
EUROPE.
WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS AROUND 
THE RISE IN CASES IN EUROPE?
>> IT'S THE SAME THING.
I THINK THAT WE'RE STARTING TO 
LOOSEN OUR RESTRICTIONS, AND WE 
NEED TO LOOSEN THEM A CERTAIN 
AMOUNT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TIRED 
OF BEING STUCK INSIDE AND NOT 
BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS, BUT WE 
HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW 
QUICKLY WE DO THAT AND PEOPLE 
HAVE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE SAFE 
PRACTICES EVEN THOUGH THE 
RESTRICTIONS ARE LIFTED 
SOMEWHAT.
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT PUBLIC 
HEALTH IS TELLING US IN ORDER TO
KEEP THE NUMBER OF CASES DOWN.
THERE ARE CASE CASES OUT THERE, 
WILL BE TRANSMITTED AMONG 
PEOPLE, THIS IS A VERY 
EASILY-TRANSMITTED VIRUS, SO WE 
HAVE TO BE VIGILANT, BUT WE 
CAN'T BE STUCK INDOORS FOREVER, 
SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE
CAN MITIGATE INFECTIONS IN THE 
COMMUNITY WHEN WE'RE OUT AND 
ABOUT. 
>> Rosemary: WHAT DOES IT -- 
WHAT IS THE LESSON FOR CANADA?
I MEAN, YOU SEE, FOR INSTANCE, 
IN FLORIDA WHERE IT SEEMED 
AROUND MEMORIAL DAY, THEY WERE 
SORT OF EASING BACK ON THE 
RESTRICTIONS FOR ALL SORTS OF 
REASONS, SOME OF WHICH YOU WERE 
TALKING ABOUT THERE.
AND PEOPLE WERE GATHERING, THERE
WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE 
BEACH, WHAT ARE THE LESSONS FOR 
HERE AS WE REOPEN AND OUR 
DIFFERENT PHASES OF THAT ACROSS 
THE COUNTRY. 
>> HE DO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION 
TO WHAT PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS 
ARE TELLING US.
IT'S A LOT SAFER TO BE OUTSIDE, 
AND IF PEOPLE NEED TO GATHER, 
BEING OUTSIDE IS A GOD IDEA.
HOWEVER.
WHEN WE ARE OUTSIDE AND WITH 
EACH OTHER, WE NEED TO KEEP THE 
PHYSICAL DISTANCING IDEAS IN 
YOUR HEADS.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TALK WITH 
PEOPLE BUT STAY 6 FEET AWAY.
MAKE SURE THAT YOU WASH YOUR 
HANDS EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND
TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT 
INFECTING YOURSELF, RIGHT?
AND DO THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO THOSE ARE THE SORT OF THINGS.
AND I THINK PUBLIC HEALTH IS 
DOING A VERY GOOD JB OF TELLING 
US HOW TO MAKE SURE WE'RE 
KEEPING OURSELVES SAFE.
WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US IS GOOD.
IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO STICK WITH 
IT.
>> Rosemary: WE HAVE TO KEEP 
DOING IT.
THAT'S THE PART THAT MAYBE IS 
GETTING HARDER TO DO.
>> IT IS. 
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU SO MUCH 
FOR REMINDING US ABOUT ALL THAT 
AND WEIGHING IN ON WHAT WE'RE 
SEEING AROUND THE WORLD RIGHT 
NOW.
APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. 
>> TAKE CARE. 
>> Rosemary: DR. BRENDA COLEMAN,
INFECTIOUS DISEASE 
EPIDEMIOLOGIST IN TORONTO.
AS WE WAIT FOR THE PRIME 
MINISTER TO EMERGE FROM HIS 
HOME, BEEN A COUPLE DAYS NOW 
THAT HE HASN'T GIVEN A PRESS 
CONFERENCE, AND THAT MAYBE IS 
WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT HEADING 
INTO THE SUMMER MONTHS, OF 
COURSE, BUT TODAY WE ARE 
EXPECTING HIM TO GIVE SOME 
PRETTY IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO 
MANY STUDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN 
WAITING FOR THIS.
SOME 9 WEEKS AGO, THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED THIS GRANT 
PROGRAM FOR STUDENTS WHO WERE 
GOING TO VOLUNTEER, AND SOMEHOW 
BE REWARDED FINANCIALLY FOR THAT
BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SO THE
PRIME MINISTER WILL OUTLINE A 
LITTLE BIT HOW THAT WILL WORK 
TODAY.
AND I'LL BRING BACK VASSY AND 
CATHERINE AS WE WAIT FOR HIM.
STUDENTS, YOUNG PEOPLE, HAVE 
OBVIOUSLY BEEN REALLY HARD-HIT 
IN THE EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS 
BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, LOTS OF
PEOPLE TRY TO PICK UP, YOU KNOW,
IN THE SUMMER MONTHS THEY WOULD 
TRY TO PICK UP PART-TIME WORK OR
RESTAURANTS AND THEN NONE OF 
THAT WORK EXISTS NOW, SO THEY DO
HAVE A STUDENT BENEFIT, AN NJ 
RELIEF BENEFIT THEY CAN USE, 
ALTHOUGH MANY STUDENTS ARE ALSO 
USING THE CERB IF THEY QUALIFY 
FOR IT, BUT THIS VOLUNTEER 
PROGRAM WAS INTENDED TO GIVE 
THEM ANOTHER PLACE WHERE THEY 
COULD GO AND HELP THE FIGHT 
AGAINST COVID AND GET SOME MONEY
IN RETURN, VASSY. 
>> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
YOU MENTION OFF THE TOP ROSIE 
EARLIER THAT A NUMBER OF 
STUDENTS HAVE CONTACTED YOU, 
SAME HERE, LOTS OF STUDENTS ARE 
REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS 
PROGRAM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR 
A COUPLE OF MONTHS, TRYING TO 
FIGURE OUT AFTER THE INITIAL 
ANNOUNCEMENT IF THEIR VOLUNTEER 
WORK THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY 
ALREADY DO WOULD QUALIFY, IF 
THEY HAVE TO LOOK TO A DIFFERENT
ORGANIZATION.
I WOULD GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE, I 
THINK THE DAY THAT IT WAS 
ANNOUNCED, MINISTER QUALTROUGH 
HAD ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
SHE SAID YES, AT THE TIME.
THAT'S ONE CONCRETE THING.
TODAYURE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, 
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF DETAILS
STUDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR, OVER 
WHAT PERIOD, HOW MANY HOURS DO I
HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE, HOW DO THEY 
FIGURE OUT IF I GET 1,000 OR 
5,000 OR WHAT IT IS IN BETWEEN, 
DOES THE ORGANIZATION QUALIFY, 
DOES THE NONPROFIT I WORK FOR 
EVEN THOUSAND QUALIFY.
THERE ARE A WHOLE HOST OF 
QUESTIONS I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE ANXIOUSLY AWAITING, AND I 
THINK THOSE DETAILS, THE PLAN 
IS, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'M TOLD,
WE WILL GET ALL THOSE DETAILS 
TODAY.
ON THE OTHER TWO POINTS YOU 
MAIDIVE MADE ABOUT THE NEED FOR 
FINANCIAL HELP FROM STUDENTS, 
THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING 
QUESTION TOO AND OUR COLLEAGUE 
JANYCE MCGREGOR LOOKED -- MINED 
THROUGH SOME OF THE DATA SO FAR.
LOOKS LIKE 580,000 STUDENTS IN 
AND AROUND THERE HAVE QUALIFIED 
FOR THE STUDENT VERSION OF CERB,
WHICH WAS $1,250 A MONTH FOR UP 
TO FOUR MONTHS AND THEN IF YOU 
HAVE A DISABILITY OR A 
DEPENDENT, YOU CAN GET BASICALLY
THE EQUIVALENT OF CERB.
SO $2,000 A MONTH.
THERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT 580,000.
AND EVEN MORE INTERESTING I 
THOUGHT SHE FOUND WAS THE NUMBER
OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE QUALIFIED FOR
CERB ITSELF, SO NOT -- BASICALLY
MEANING THEY EARNED MORE THAN 
$5,000 LAST YEAR, A FIFTH OF THE
APPLICANTS ARE BETWEEN 15 AND 24
YEARS OLD.
SO A HUGE PORTION OF THE PEOPLE 
WHO ARE ACCESSING THAT BENEFIT 
RIGHT NOW ARE STUDENTS, AND IT 
ALSO GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT 
THE NEED WILL BE LIKE THROUGH 
THE EXTENSION OF THE PROGRAM 
THAT THE PRIME MINISTER 
ANNOUNCED, I THINK IT WAS LAST 
WEEK.
SOP FOR MANY PEOPLE, THAT RUNS 
OUT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, OR A 
WEEK, I GUESS, NOW, NOW THAT THE
PROGRAM HAS EXTENDED, IF THIS 
MANY PEOPLE ARE YOUNG, PEOPLE 
WHO HAVE ACCESSED IT, THEY MIGHT
NOT HAVE JOB PROSPECTS, 
OBVIOUSLY IT'S A MOVING TARGET, 
BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT NEED WILL 
BE THERE FOR A LITTLE LONGER.
I FOUND IT REALLY INTERESTING.
THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE PACKAGE 
THE GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED WAS 
$9 BILLION.
CLEARLY THERE'S A NEED FOR HELP 
AMONG STUDENTS, I THINK THEY'RE 
EAGERLY ANTICIPATING THESE 
DETAILS, FIND OUT HOW THEIR 
VOLUNTEER EFFORTS MIGHT BE 
COMPENSATED.
>> Rosemary: AND THEY DID.
THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF ASPECTS 
TO THAT STUDENT PACKAGE, 
INCLUDING THE SUSPENDING 
REPAYMENT AND STUDENT LOANS, 
INCLUDING DOUBLING STUDENT 
GRANTS, CATHERINE, AT WE WAIT 
FOR THE PRIME MINISTER WHO MIGHT
COME OUT ANY TIME, YOU DID DO 
SOME WORK ON THAT, STUDENTS 
ACTUALLY NOT USING THE STUDENT 
BENEFIT AND USE THE OTHER 
BENEFIT INSTEAD. 
>> Reporter: I WAS SPEAKING TO A
FEW STUDENTS GROUPS EARLIER THIS
MONTH AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS 
THEY WERE RAISING WAS THE LEVEL 
OF UPTAKE OF THIS PARTICULAR 
STUDENT BENEFIT.
IF YOU LOOK AT, FOR INSTANCE, 
THE WORK DONE BY THE 
PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICER, 
THEY SUGGESTED -- THAT OFFICE 
SUGGESTED THAT 1.1 MILLION 
STUDENTS WOULD BE LATCHING ON TO
THIS BENEFIT, AND AS VASSY JUST 
SAID, THE LATEST FIGURES SHOW 
IT'S BELOW THE 600,000 MARK, BUT
STUDENTS DO HAVE TO DECIDE 
WHETHER THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR 
CERB OR WHETHER THEY WANT TO 
APPLY FOR THE STUDENT BENEFIT.
WE HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE OR THE 
OTHER.
THAT SAYS STUDENT GROUPS SAY 
THEY ARE HEARING FROM THEIR 
MEMBERS, THERE IS A LOT OF 
ANXIETY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO 
THE FALL, THEIR RETURN TO 
SCHOOL, BEING ABLE TO PAY THEIR 
BILLS IF THEY HAVE INDEED 
ACCESSED THE STUDENT BENEFIT AND
THAT MONEY IS NO LONGER 
AVAILABLE TO THEM, IT'S A 
FOUR-MONTH PROCESS, AT THE AIM 
SOMETIME YOU SEE THE GOVERNMENT 
TODAY ANNOUNCING THE ROLL-OUT OF
THE SUMMER JOBS PLAN, CERTAINLY 
A VERY MULTIFACETED ISSUE, IT'S 
CLEAR THERE ARE REAL ANXIETIES 
OUT THERE FROM STUDENTS ABOUT 
HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THEIR 
BILLS OR TUITION, MUCH OF THAT 
FOCUSED ON THIS SUMMER, ALTHOUGH
THE MONEY -- THE MONEY FROM THE 
STUDENT SERVICE GRANT WILL BE 
USED FOR ITS POST SECONDARY 
EDUCATION IN THE FALL.
ALL THAT TO SAY CERTAINLY ALL 
THAT ANXIETY FROM SOME STUDENTS,
WE'LL SEW HOW FAR THE STUDENT 
ANNOUNCEMENT GOES BETWEEN 
QUELLING THAT AND ANSWERING 
QUESTIONS. 
>> Rosemary: I WONDER TOO, WE'LL
FIND OUT SOON ENOUGH, THE CANADA
EMERGENCY STUDENT BENEFIT AS YOU
TALKED ABOUT IS FROM MAY TO 
AUGUST, WHERE THERE WILL BE ANY 
THOUGHT TO EXTENDING THAT.
LOTS OF STUDENTS WOULD STILL NOT
BE ABLE TO GET PART-TIME WORK, 
WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, FOR 
INSTANCE, EVEN GET CAMPUS WORK, 
PRESUMABLY MANY OF THEM WOULD BE
ON CAMPUS.
I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHT 
TO EXTENDING THAT TO A COUPLE OF
EXTRA MONTHS AS WELL. 
>> Reporter: ANOTHER ASPECT TO 
ALL OF THIS IS INTERNATIONAL 
STUDENTS WHO WERE NOT ELIGIBLE, 
THEY MAKE UP A SIZABLE PORTION 
OF CANADIAN STUDENTS, SOME OF 
THEM HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES IN 
VERY DIFFICULT SITUATIONS, SO 
THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS 
THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE 
COVERED.
IT REALLY JUST POINTS, ROSEMARY,
TO A COMPLEX AND INTRICATE 
PROCESS THE GOVERNMENT HAS SET 
UP AS THEY TRY TO COVER OFF THE 
DIFFERENT GROUPS OF CANADIANS IN
NEED, AND AS CANADIANS ASK 
THEMSELVES WHERE DO I FIT IN, 
WHAT SORT OF BENEFITS AM I 
ELIGIBLE FOR, AND THE OTHER 
THINGS WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT 
THIS ALL OF THIS IS WE TALK 
ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE 
FALL, SECOND WAVE, WE HATE TO 
SAY IT SO MANY EXPERTS SAY IT IS
INEVITABLE, HOW WOULD THAT PLAY 
INTO EMPLOYMENT PROSPECTS, FOR 
INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY 
ALREADY BE DWINDLING OVER THE 
SUMMER, OR NOT, THE GOVERNMENT 
HAS TO LOOK AT AN EXTENSION 
THERE, IT CONTEMPLATES HOW LONG 
THE EXTENSION WILL BE ON THE 
EMERGENCY RESPONSE BENEFIT AND 
HOW TO MOVE KHABIBS OFF THAT, A 
LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE, 
CERTAINLY A CONUNDRUM FOR THE 
GOVERNMENT AND CANADIANS WHO ARE
IN MANY CASES DEPENDING ON THESE
BENEFITS.
>> WE'RE STANDING BY FOR THE 
PRIME MINISTER WHO WILL COME OUT
PRETTY SOON.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S MY WINK WINK
TO COME OUT PRETTY SOON.
YESTERDAY HE WAS WORKING FROM 
HOME, AND DOING MEETINGS, HE DID
VENTURE OUT IN THE AFTERNOON 
WITH HIS SON ADRIENNE, WHO IS 
SIX NOW, ADRIENNE WILL SEND ME A
NOTE, THEY WENT OUT FOR ICE 
CREAM TO CELEBRATE THEIR 
NATIONAL HOLIDAY IN QUEBEC.
WE DID HAVE ONE PUBLIC EVENT, 
BUT HE DIDN'T TAKE ANY QUESTIONS
AND DIDN'T HAVE A MEDIA 
AVAILABILITY, PER SE.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE 
SEEN HIM SINCE MONDAY.
>>>  I WILL SAY, THERE IS 
ANOTHER STORY OUT TODAY THAT 
PERHAPS THE PRIME MINISTER WILL 
GET ASKED ABOUT, THAT IS, YOU 
KNOW, PERHAPS ALSO NOT 
SURPRISING, AND THAT IS THAT 
THERE'S A STUDY BY -- LOOKING AT
LONG-TERM CARE WITHIN OECD 
COUNTRIES, AND FINDING THAT THE 
PROPORTION OF DEATHS IN 
LONG-TERM CARE IN CANADA IS 
DOUBLE THE AVERAGE OF OTHER 
NATIONS.
81%, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY 
TIMES, HAVE ALL REPORTED DEATHS 
IN THIS COUNTRY HAPPENED IN 
LONG-TERM CARE HOMES.
YOU COMPARE IT TO OTHER 
COUNTRIES WITHIN THE OECD, AND 
THE AVERAGE THERE IS ABOUT HALF 
OF THAT, ABOUT 42%.
IT COMES AT A TIME WHEN WE KNOW 
THE MILITARY NO LONGER IN 
ONTARIO LONG-TERM CARE CENTRES, 
BUT QUEBEC AND THE GOVERNMENT 
STILL FIGURING OUT WHAT'S GOING 
TO HAPPEN NEXT FOR THE PROVINCE 
AS THE MILITARY MEMBERS ARE ALSO
DUE TO PULL OUT.
BUT IN A BROADER CONTEXT, VASSY,
A CONVERSATION THAT WE KNOW WILL
HAVE TO TAKE PLACE AROUND HOW WE
ARE HELPING PEOPLE, OLDER 
CANADIANS, MOVING FORWARD, 
CLEARLY THERE IS SOMETHING NOT 
WORKING IN THIS COUNTRY, AND IS 
MUCH WORSE THAN IT IS IN OTHER 
COUNTRIES.
>> THAT STUDY IS HEART-BREAKING 
TO READ, OBVIOUSLY CONFIRMING 
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN ANECDOTALLY 
AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE 
STATISTICALLY, WHEN YOU 
HIGHLIGHT THAT NUMBER, 81% OF 
THE DEATHS HAVE OCCURRED IN 
LONG-TERM CARE HOMES.
A COUPLE OF THINGS JUMPED OUT AT
ME.
WE KNOW A NUMBER OF PROVINCES, 
QUEBEC AND ONTARIO TO NAME VERY 
SPECIFICALLY, HAVE EMBARKED ON A
STUDY, A REVIEW OF INQUIRY, A 
WHOLE DEBATE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE 
DOING IN THAT RESPECT, LOOKING 
AT WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM IS, 
BUT AS FAR AS ADDRESSING THE 
SOLUTION IN THE SHORT-TERM OR 
LONG-TERM, IN THE ONTARIO THE 
PROVINCE HAD TO TAKE OVER A 
NUMBER OF THESE HOMES, THE 
MILITARY IS OPERATING IN BOTH 
PROVINCES, AND THERE LOOKS TO BE
SOME DISCUSSION IN A PLAN TO 
REPLACE THE MILITARY IN THOSE 
HOMES FOR MEMBERS OF THE RED 
CROSS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS YET.
SITES STILL VERY MUCH AN ACUTE 
PROBLEM.
CERTAINLY THE NUMBERS HAVE 
NOT -- INCREASE THE WAY THAT 
THEY WERE, A FEW WEEKS OR MONTHS
AGO, IT'S STILL A PRETTY ACUTE 
PROBLEM.
THEN YOU GET TO THE MORE 
LONG-TERM SOLUTION, AND THAT'S 
WHY I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS 
BETWEEN THE PROVINCES AND THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE GOING TO 
BE OF GREAT INTEREST, AND I 
SHOULD NOTE THAT THE CALL 
HAPPENS, THAT WEEKLY CALL 
BETWEEN THE PREMIERS AND 
TONIGHT, THERE'S $14 BILLION ON 
THE TABLE FOR STUFF THAT'S 
HAPPENING, BASICALLY IN THE NEXT
SIX MONTHS, IN THE HEALTH CARE 
COSTS IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, 
THAT COULD INCLUDE LONG-TERM 
CARE, CHILD CARE ISSUES, 
MUNICIPALITIES, THERE ARE 7 
TOPICS THAT THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT WANTS THIS MONEY TO 
GO TOWARDS, AND THEY'RE VERY 
SPECIFIC ABOUT AT THE.
THE MONEY THAT WAS ANNOUNCED A 
LITTLE WHILE AGO, THREE WEEKS TO
A MONTH AGO, IT HAS NOT BEEN 
DELIVERED.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE 
CONVERSATIONS HAVE NOT BEEN ALL 
TOGETHER THE MOST PLEASANT, 
WHILE A NUMBER OF PREMIERS HAVE 
SAID PUBLICLY EVERYONE'S SAYING 
WE APPRECIATE THE MONEY, WE JUST
REALLY -- AND I'M GOING TO 
PARAPHRASE -- WE DON'T WANT TO 
BE TOLD WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
THE WORD THEY KEEP USING OVER 
AND OVER AGAIN IS FLEXIBILITY.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE 
PRIME MINISTER, SEEMS PRETTY 
SET, WE WANT THIS MONEY TO GO TO
THESE CERTAIN AREAS.
THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE NOT BEEN 
RESOLVED YET, AND I BRING IT UP 
IN THE CONTEXT OF LONG-TERM CARE
BECAUSE PART OF WHAT THE 
PREMIERS ARE REALLY CONCERNED 
ABOUT IS MORE LONG-TERM FUNDING 
FOR HEALTH CARE.
THEY WERE ALREADY PRIOR TO THIS 
PANDEMIC SAYING THE PORTION OF 
HEALTH CARE THAT THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT PAYS THROUGH ITS 
TRANSFERS HAS DECREASED OVER THE
YEARS, IT SHOULD BE A LOT 
HIGHER.
THEY USE THIS, AT LEAST EVERY 
PREMIER I'VE SPOKEN TO ON THE 
SUBJECT, THEY VIEW THIS AS 
CENTRAL TO ADDRESSING ISSUES 
MORE PERMANENT AND LONG-LASTING 
ISSUES WITH LONG-TERM CARE IN 
THE FUTURE.
ESSENTIALLY, FIXING THE PROBLEM 
OVER THE LONG TERM, AND THEY ARE
ALMOST PREDICATING A LOT OF 
THESE DISCUSSIONS ON SOME SORT 
OF ASSURANCE, WANTING SOME SORT 
OF ASSURANCE FROM THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT, WHICH AT THIS POINT 
WANTS TO CONCENTRATE VERY MUCH 
ON THE SIX MONTHS, AT LEAST 
WHERE THIS MONEY IS CONCERNED, 
AND THEN GET INTO DISCUSSIONS 
ABOUT LONG-TERM TRANSFERS.
THESE PREMIERS ARE DIGGING THEIR
HEELS IN, IF I COULD SAY RIGHT 
NOUL, AROUND WANTING TO HAVE 
MORE CONCRETE COMMITMENTS FROM 
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT 
HEALTH CARE FUNDING IN THE 
LONG-TERM SO THAT THEY CAN USE A
GOOD PORTION OF THE MONEY TO 
ADDRESS THE CRISIS IN LONG-TERM 
CARE HOMES, AND AS WE WAIT FOR 
SOME SORT OF RESOLVE THERE, WE 
REALLY DON'T HAVE A CONCRETE SET
OF SOLUTIONS TO FIX WHAT'S 
HAPPENING IN THESE HOMES?
WE HAVE INTERIM MEASURES IN 
PLACE THAT ARE ABOVE -- THERE 
ARE EXTRAORDINARY, THE MILITARY,
IN HE'S HOMES, THE MILITARY IN 
THESE HOMES, IN ORDER FOR THEM 
TO BE ABLE TO CARE FOR THE 
FAMILY INSIDE THEM, AND THAT 
ISN'T A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
NEVER MIND.
>> Rosemary: I GOT TO THE CUT 
YOU OFF.
>> Reporter: I'LL BE QUIET. 
>> Rosemary: HERE'S THE PRIME 
MINISTER OF CANADA.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of 
Interpreter:... HOLIDAY 
YESTERDAY.
FOR MANY QUEBECERS AND 
FRANCOPHONES, ST. JEAN BABTISTE 
MARKS THE BEGINNING OF SUMMER.
BUT THIS YEAR IT'S A LITTLE 
DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF COVID-19.
THE REALITY IS THERE AREN'T AS 
MANY JOBS AVAILABLE FOR STUDENTS
AS LAST YEAR.
AND WITHOUT A JOB, IT'S VERY 
DIFFICULT TO PAY TUITION ON YOUR
DAILY EXPENSES.
SO IN APRIL WE ANNOUNCED A PLAN,
A $9 BILLION PLAN TO SUPPORT 
STUDENTS AND NEW GRADUATES.
THAT INCLUDES THE CANADA STUDENT
BENEFIT THAT GIVES THEM $1,500 A
MONTH UNTIL AUGUST.
WE ALSO COMMITTED TO CREATING 
16,000 JOBS FOR STUDENTS IN 
SECTORS WHERE THEY NEED HELP AT 
THIS TIME.
AND TO INTRODUCE A PROGRAM THAT 
WOULD PROVIDE GRANTS TO PEOPLE 
THAT GET INVOLVED IN THEIR 
COMMUNITIES.
AND TODAY WE ARE FOLLOWING ON 
THOSE COMMITMENTS.
WE ARE LAUNCHING THE CANADA 
STUDENT SERVICE GRANT THAT WILL 
ALLOW STUDENTS TO ACQUIRE SKILLS
AND EXPERIENCE WHILE 
CONTRIBUTING TO THEIR COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE A STUDENT IN THE 
UNIVERSITY LEVELS OR IF YOU HAVE
DECIDED TO DO SOME VOLUNTEERING 
THIS SUMMER, YOU CAN RECEIVE A 
GRANT OF BETWEEN 1,000 AND 
5,$000.
THE EXACT AMOUNT WILL BE 
DETERMINED BASED ON THE NUMBER 
OF HOURS THAT YOU HAVE WORKED 
BETWEEN JUNE 18th AND SEPTEMBER 
15th.
TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THIS 
PROGRAM AND TO LOOK FOR 
OPPORTUNITIES IN YOUR REGION, GO
TO THE GOVERNMENT SITE.
TODAY WE ARE LAUNCHING THE "I 
WANT TO HELP" PLATFORM FOR THAT 
VERY REASON.
AS PART OF OUR PLAN TO SUPPORT 
STUDENTS, OUR GOVERNMENT WILL 
ALSO BE INVESTING $40 MILLION TO
CREATE 5,000 POSITIONS FOR 
STUDENTS AT THE POST SECONDARY 
LEVEL.
MY TAX IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT 
FOSTERS COLLABORATION BETWEEN 
THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND STUDENTS.
IT HELPS TO FORM AND TO TRAIN 
NEW STUDENTS.
AND NORMALLY THE ME TAX PROGRAMS
ARE FOR PEOPLE AT THE MASTERS OR
PH.D. LEVEL INVOLVED IN 
RESEARCH, BUT THE FUNDING WE'RE 
PROVIDING TODAY WILL ALLOW THEM 
TO EXTEND THE SCOPE OF THEIR 
PROGRAMS IN ORDER TO INCLUDE 
PEOPLE AT THE UNDERGRADUATE 
LEVEL OR PEOPLE STUDYING LAW OR 
MEDICINE.
FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THEIR NEW 
PROGRAMS WILL ALLOW NBA STUDENTS
TO ALLOW CONTACTS WITH SMALL 
BUSINESSES FACING SPECIFIC 
CHALLENGES BECAUSE OF COVID-19.
METAX WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO 
CREATE NEW PARTNERSHIPS WITH 
ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS HOSPITALS,
FOUNDATIONS, AND MUNICIPAL 
GOVERNMENTS TO CREATE EVEN MORE 
OPTIONS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.
THIS IS GOOD NEWS, NOT ONLY FOR 
STUDENTS, WHO WILL BE ABLE TO 
USE THEIR KNOWLEDGE, BUT ALSO 
FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE 
FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY.
INNOVATION IS MORE AND MORE 
IMPORTANT WITHIN THE GLOBAL 
ECONOMY IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE 
VIGOR AND RESILIENCE OF THE 
CANADIAN ECONOMY, WE MUST INVEST
IN RESEARCH AND PARTICULARLY IN 
YOUNG PEOPLE.
WE HAVE TO ENSURE YOUNG PEOPLE 
HAVE THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO 
WORK, INNOVATE, AND SUCCEED IN 
TOMORROW'S ECONOMY.
THAT IS WHY OUR GOVERNMENT WILL 
BE INVESTING IN THE SUMMER JOBS 
PROGRAM TO ADD 10,000 PLACES FOR
STUDENTS AGED BETWEEN 15 AND 30.
WE WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE 
CREATION OF 20,000 OTHER 
PLACEMENTS FOR CJEP AND 
UNIVERSITY-LEVEL STUDENTS IN 
SECTORS IN STRONG DEMAND, 
INCLUDING PRACTICE SESSIONS FOR 
STUDENTS.
AND TO ENSURE THAT YOUNG PEOPLE 
WERE WELL-PREPARED FOR JOBS FOR 
THE FUTURE AND ARE ALSO 
INVESTING IN DIGITAL SKILLS AND 
COMPUTERS FOR SCHOOLS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: STUDENTS ARE FACING 
UNIQUE CHALLENGES THIS SUMMER 
BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.
AT THE SAME TIME, MANY ARE 
WONDERING HOW THEY CAN HELP IN 
THE FIGHT AGAINST COVID-19.
TODAY WE'RE LUNCHING THE NEW 
CANADA STUDENT SERVICES GRANT, 
WHILE ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THEIR
COMMUNITIES.
IF YOU'RE A COLLEGE OR 
UNIVERSITY STUDENT OR IF I JUST 
GRADUATED, AND YOU DECIDE TO 
VOLUNTEER THIS SUMMER, YOU COULD
GET A GRANT OF BETWEEN 1,000 AND
5,$000.
THE EXACT AMOUNT WILL DEPEND ON 
HOW MANY HOURS YOU'VE COMPLETED.
TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM
AND FIND OPPORTUNITIES NEAR YOU,
YOU CAN HEAD TO THE GOVERNMENT 
OF CANADA WEBSITE WHERE TODAY WE
LAUNCHED THE NEW "I WANT TO 
HELP" PORTAL.
OUR GOVERNMENT WILL ALSO INVEST 
$40 MILLION TO CREATE 5,000 MY 
TAX INTERNSHIPS FOR 
POSTSECONDARY STUDENTS AS PART 
OF OR $9 BILLION PLAN TO HELP 
STUDENTS DURING THIS CRISIS.
MY TAX IS AN NGO THAT BUILDS 
PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN 
UNIVERSITIES AND INDUSTRY WITH 
THEIR TRAINING PROGRAMS, 
INTERNSHIPS AND PROJECTS, THEY 
HELP SHAPE THE NEXT GENERATION 
OF INNOVATORS.
USUALLY MY TAX CATERS TO MASTERS
OR PH.D. RESEARCH STUDENTS, BUT 
WITH THE FUNDING ANNOUNCED 
TODAY, THEY'LL EXPAND THEIR 
OPPORTUNITIES TO UNDERGRADUATE 
STUDENTS AND STUDENTS IN 
PROFESSIONAL PROGRAMS LIKE LAW, 
MEDICINE, OR BUSINESS.
FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF OUR THEIR 
PROGRAMS WILL CONNECT NBA 
STUDENTS TO SMALL BUSINESSES 
FACING CHALLENGES BECAUSE OF THE
PANDEMIC.
THE FUNDING WILL ALSO ALLOW MY 
TAX TO PARTNER WITH MORE 
ORGANIZATIONS LIKE HOSPITALS, 
FOUNDATIONS, AND MUNICIPAL 
GOVERNMENTS TO CREATE EVEN MORE 
OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.
IF WE WANT TO BUILD A STRONG AND
RESILIENT ECONOMY, WE WANT TO 
INVEST IN THE NEXT GENERATION.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE OUR YOUNG 
PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS TO 
WORK, INNOVATE, AND SUCCEED IN 
THE ECONOMY OF THE FUTURE.
IN THIS VEIN, OUR GOVERNMENT 
WILL INVEST IN CANADA SUMMER 
JOBS TO CREATE 10,000 NEW JOB 
PLACEMENTS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE 
BETWEEN AGED 15 AND 30.
WE ALSO WILL SUPPORT AN 
ADDITIONAL 20,000 JOB PLACEMENTS
FOR POST SECONDARY STUDENTS IN 
HIGH-DEMAND SECTORS FOR THE 
STUDENT WORK PLACEMENT PROGRAM.
AND TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUNG 
PEOPLE ARE PREPARED FOR THE JOBS
TOMORROW.
WE'RE INVESTING IN THE DIGITAL 
SKILLS FOR YOUTH AND THE 
COMPUTER FOR SCHOOLS PLUS 
PROGRAMS.
MINISTER BAINS WILL HAVE MORE TO
SAY EVEN THIS LATER, BUT HERE'S 
THE BOTTOM LINE.
THERE ARE FEWER JOBS AND MANY 
CO-OP INTERNSHIP AND COMMUNITY 
SERVICE PLACEMENTS BECAUSE OF 
THE PANDEMIC.
SO IF YOU'RE A STUDENT OR NEW 
GRAD, WE'RE CREATING TENS OF 
THOUSANDS OF JOBS FOR YOU.
WE'RE MAKING SURE YOU CAN STILL 
LEARN NEW SKILLS, BEGIN VALUABLE
WORK EXPERIENCE, MAKE MONEY FOR 
THE YEAR AHEAD AND CONTRIBUTE TO
YOUR COMMUNITY.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: OVER 
THE YEARS, CANADA HAS SHOWN 
ITSELF TO BE A GLOBAL LEADER IN 
INNOVATION.
OUR SCIENTISTS AND RESEARCHERS 
ARE RECOGNIZED AROUND THE WORLD 
FOR THEIR ADVANCES, WHETHER IT'S
IN THE AEROSPACE INDUSTRY, 
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, CLEAN 
TECHNOLOGIES, OR HEALTH.
AND SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS 
CRISIS, HE'S BEEN ABLE TO RELY 
ON THEM TO HELP US TO PROTECT 
THE HEALTH OF CANADIANS.
THAT IS WHY IN APRIL WE LAUNCHED
A COMPETITION TO FUND RESEARCH 
WORK TO STOP THE SPREAD OF THE 
VIRUS, AND MITIGATE ITS 
CONSEQUENCES FOR OUR 
COMMUNITIES.
TODAY WE CAN ANNOUNCE THAT WE 
WILL BE SUPPORTING 139 RESEARCH 
TEAMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT 
REPRESENTS AN INVESTMENT OF 
ALMOST $110 MILLION OVERALL IN 
RESEARCH ON COVID-19 FOR THE 
YEARS TO COME. 
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: OVER THE LAST WEEKS 
WE'VE SEEN OR HARD WORK AND 
SACRIFICE CONTINUE TO PAY OFF, 
AND TO CONTINUE ON THE RIGHT 
TRACK, WE NEED TO BE THINKING 
NOT JUST ABOUT THE NEXT WEEKS, 
BUT THE NEXT MONTHS AND EVEN 
YEARS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE 
DOING WITH TODAY'S INVESTMENTS.
WITH THAT, I'M NOW HAPPY TO TAKE
YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU, PRIME MINISTER.
WE'LL NOW GO TO THE PHONE FOR 
QUESTIONS.
ONE QUESTION, ONE FOLLOW-UP.
OPERATOR?
>> (Question by Media): THANK 
YOU, MERCI.
FIRST QUESTION, KATE, BLOOMBERG.
LINE OPEN.
>> (Question by Media): GOOD 
MORNING, PRIME MINISTER, YOU 
TOLD BILL MORNEAU TO MAINTAIN 
CANADA'S TRIPLE A CREDIT RATING 
IN HIS MANDATE LETTER, AND ONE 
OF THE BIG THREE AGENCIES JUST 
DOWNGRADED US.
WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT YOUR 
GOVERNMENT AS MONEY MANAGERS AND
ARE THERE ANY FISCAL ANCHORS LET
TO HOLD ON TO?
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: WHAT IT SAYS IS THIS IN
HISTORIC, UNPRECEDENTED 
PANDEMIC, WE NEEDED TO HELP 
CANADIANS.
WE CAME INTO THIS SITUATION WITH
ONE OF THE BEST BALANCE SHEETS 
IN THE G7, AND WE PUT THAT TO 
WORK FOR PEOPLE.
WE PUT MORE THAN $50 BILLION 
INTO PEOPLE'S POCKETS THROUGH 
THE CANADA EMERGENCY RESPONSE 
BENEFIT.
WE HAVE SUPPORTED OUR 
ENTREPRENEURS.
WE'VE MADE SURE THROUGH VARIOUS 
PROGRAMS THAT CANADIANS COULD 
NOT ONLY PROTECT THEMSELVES 
THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC, BUT ALSO 
HOLD OUR ECONOMIC STANDING SO 
THAT, WHEN WE GET OUT OF THIS, 
AS WE RESTART, OUR ECONOMY WILL 
COME ROARING BACK.
THAT WAS A DECISION THAT WE 
NEEDED TO MAKE BECAUSE 
SUPPORTING CANADIANS IS ALWAYS 
THE PRIORITY OF THIS GOVERNMENT.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: IN THIS
PANDEMIC AND THIS UNPRECEDENTED 
CRISIS.
WE HAD TO FOCUS ON SUPPORTING 
CANADIANS.
THAT'S WHY QUESTION WE INVESTED 
MORE THAN $50 BILLION IN THE 
CANADA EMERGENCY RESPONSE 
BENEFIT TO ALLOW CANADIANS NOT 
ONLY TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS
TO PROTECT THEMSELVES DURING THE
PANDEMIC AND FLATTEN THE CURVE 
AND PROTECT PEOPLE AGAINST 
COVID-19, BUT ALSO TO ALLOW OUR 
WORKERS AND FAMILIES AND 
BUSINESSES TO COME OUT OF THIS 
UNSCATHED.
SO THAT WE CAN RETURN STRONG 
AFTER THE PANDEMIC.
THAT WAS THE PRIORITY AT THIS 
GOVERNMENT, AND IT WILL CONTINUE
TO BE THE PRIORITY OF THIS 
GOVERNMENT, INVESTING TO HELP 
CANADIANS TO GET THROUGH THIS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> (Question by 
Media):... SUGGESTED YESTERDAY 
IT WOULD BE OPEN TO SWAPPING 
MENG WANZHOU FOR THE TWO 
MICHAELS.
ARE YOU WORRIED DOING SO WOULD 
SET A PRECEDENT AND GIVE BEIJING
MORE OPPORTUNITY TO BLACKMAIL 
YOU LATER ON?
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE 
FIRST PRIORITY OF ANY GOVERNMENT
IS PROTECT ITS CITIZENS, AND 
THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING SO 
INCREDIBLY HARD TO BRING BACK 
THOSE TWO MICHAELS WHO HAVE BEEN
ARBITRARILY DETAINED FOR 
PARTICULARLY REASONS, AS BEIJING
CONTINUES TO SUGGEST, AND THAT'S
WRONG.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, OUR 
RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE SURE 
THAT WE'RE ALSO PROTECTING 
CANADIANS INTO THE FUTURE, AND 
IF COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD, 
INCLUDING CHINA, REALIZE THAT BY
ARBITRARILY ARRESTING RANDOM 
CANADIANS, THEY GET WHAT THEY 
WANT OUT OF CANADA POLITICALLY, 
THAT MAKES AN AWFUL LOT OF 
CANADIANS VULNERABLE TO THAT 
KIND OF PRESSURE.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO STAND FOR 
OUR STRONG, INDEPENDENT JUSTICE 
SYSTEM.
WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO 
BRING HOME THE TWO MICHAELS AND 
WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO 
EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE
SURE THAT ALL CANADIANS ARE 
PROTECTED GOING FORWARD.
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL 
RESPONSIBILITIES OF ANY 
GOVERNMENT IS TO ENSURE THE 
SAFETY OF ITS CITIZENS.
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
TIRELESSLY TO BRING HOME THE TWO
MICHAELS FROM THEIR ARBITRARY 
DETENTION IN CHINA.
BUT PROTECTING CANADIANS MEANS 
PROTECTING ALL CANADIANS, 
INCLUDING CANADIANS WHO IN 
FUTURE MAY DECIDE TO TRAVEL 
AROUND THE WORLD, INCLUDING TO 
CHINA, AND IF A GOVERNMENT 
UNDERSTANDS THAT BY RANDOMLY 
ARRESTING CANADIANS, THEY CAN 
BRING PRESSURE TO BEAR ON THAT 
GOVERNMENT TO GET WHAT THEY 
WANT.
WELL, THEN ALL CANADIANS OUTSIDE
OF CANADA BECOME VULNERABLE.
SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO
REMAIN FOCUSED ON OUR 
INDEPENDENT JUDICIAL SYSTEM, AND
TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO COUNTRIES 
LIKE CHINA THAT WE WILL NOT 
ENDANGER CANADIANS IN FUTURE 
BECAUSE OF POLITICAL PRESSURE 
FROM THEM.
[ Speaking French, No 
Interpretation ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: GOOD 
MORNING, MR. TRUDEAU, I'D LIKE 
YOU TO COMMENT ON THE STUDY THAT
TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT CANADA
IS THE WORST COUNTRY AMONG THE 
OECD IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF 
DEATHS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN 
LONG-TERM CARE HOMES?
WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT?
AND ALSO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW 
WHETHER IN YOUR OPINION THAT 
WILL PERHAPS ENCOURAGE YOU TO 
INTRODUCE FEDERAL RULES IN THESE
HOMES?
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: WELL, I THINK THAT 
REPORT HAS CONFIRMED WHAT WE'VE 
ALL SUSPECTED, WHICH IS THAT 
CANADA IS NOT CARING FOR ITS 
SENIORS AS IT SHOULD.
WE HAVE SEEN THIS FROM THE 
BEGINNING OF THIS PANDEMIC, 
WHETHER IT IS THROUGH THE 
CHALLENGES IN BRITISH COLUMBIA 
AT THE LYNN VALLEY CARE CENTRE, 
OR THE RESIDENCE IN QUEBEC, OR 
THE REPORTS FROM THE CAF ABOUT 
WHAT'S GOING ON IN ONTARIO AND 
QUEBEC.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A MAJOR 
CHALLENGE IN CANADA.
WHEN IT COMES TO CARING FOR AND 
RESPECTING OUR SENIORS.
I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT 
THIS, AND THAT IS WHY FOR A 
NUMBER OF WEEKS NOW, EVERY 
THURSDAY EVENING, I HAVE BEEN 
HIGHLIGHTING THAT WITH THE 
PREMIERS AND THAT'S WHY WE 
OFFERED THEM $14 BILLION, 
INCLUDING MONEY FOR OUR SENIORS 
AND VULNERABLE CANADIANS, SO 
THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THE 
SITUATION.
AND OF COURSE WE HOPE THAT THE 
PROVINCES WILL ACCEPT THAT MONEY
AND MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES.
BUT AS I ALSO SAID FROM THE 
OUTSET, IT ALSO HIGHLIGHTS THE 
NEED TO HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT 
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PROVINCES
WHILE OF COURSE RESPECTING THEIR
AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THEIR 
OWN SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES 
FOR SENIORS HOMES, BUT IT'S 
IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT 
SOMEWHERE THE PROVINCES HAVE 
FAILED TO PROPERLY CARE FOR 
THEIR SENIORS, AND MUST THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PLAY GREATER 
ROLE?
WELL, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING 
THAT WE HAVE TO REFLECT ON.
AT THE SAME TIME, AS WE 
COLLABORATE WITH THE PREMIERS 
AND THE PROVINCES.
>> FOLLOW-UP?
>> (Question by Media): YES, OF 
COURSE.
THIS IS AN AREA OF REFLECTION 
THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN 
FOR A NUMBER OF WEEKS AND MONTHS
NOW.
DO YOU THINK THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT IS NOW THINKING MORE 
ABOUT IMPOSING FEDERAL ROLES ON 
ALL LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES IN
THE COUNTRY?
AND ARE YOU ADVANCING IN YOUR 
NEGOTIATIONS WITH QUEBEC ON THE 
DEPARTURE OF THE ARMY AND THE 
INTRODUCTION OF RED CROSS 
PERSONNEL?
YES, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE 
CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN VERY 
POSITIVE WITH QUEBEC ON THAT 
TRANSITION BETWEEN CAF MEMBERS 
AND THE RED CROSS.
AS I SAID AT THE OUTSET, THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL NOT 
ABANDON SENIORS IN QUEBEC, WE 
WILL BE THERE TO SUPPORT THE 
PROVINCE AND HELP IT REGAIN 
CONTROL IN THOSE LONG-TERM CARE 
HOMES.
WITH RESPECT TO THE 
CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE 
CONTINUING WITH THE PREMIERS, WE
NEED TO DO BETTER FOR OUR 
SENIORS, AND THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT IS ABSOLUTELY WILLING
TO DO MORE, WHETHER IT IS 
THROUGH RULES THAT WILL APPLY 
RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR WITH
ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE 
PROVINCES TO IMPROVE THINGS.
BUT IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE
TO DO BETTER AS A GOVERNMENT, AS
A LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT, AS A 
COUNTRY IN TERMS OF THE CARE FOR
OUR SENIORS?
>> WE WILL. 
>> Voice of Interpreter: 
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: WE WILL CONTINUE TO 
WORK WITH THE PREMIERS ON 
ENSURING OR CARE STANDARDS ARE 
SUPPORTED, WHETHER THAT'S BY 
BRINGING IN NATIONAL STANDARDS, 
WHETHER IT'S BY EXTRA FUNDING, 
LOOKING AT THE CANADA HEALTH 
ACT.
THERE ARE A RANGE OF THINGS WE 
CAN DO, WE CAN DO IT IN 
DISCUSSION AND COLLABORATION AND
RESPECT IT IS THE PROVINCE'S 
JURISDICTION TO OVERSEE THE CARE
FOR ELDERS IN THOSE LONG-TERM 
CENTRES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, 
WHAT THIS RECENT REPORT HAS 
SHOWN AND QUITE FRANKLY WHAT 
THIS PANDEMIC HAS SHOWN FROM THE
VERY BEGINNING IS THAT THE JOB 
ISN'T BEING ADEQUATELY DONE IN 
LONG-TERM CARE CENTRES ACROSS 
THE COUNTRY.
WE NEED TO DO BETTER.
THERE ARE GREAT EXAMPLES OF 
SUCCESSES, BUT THERE ARE ALSO 
SOME TERRIBLE COUNTER EXAMPLES, 
AND WE NEED TO, AS A COUNTRY, 
AND ALL ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT 
ENSURING WE CAN DO BETTER BY OUR
SENIORS.
>> NEXT QUESTION, OPERATOR. 
>> THANK YOU, MERCI.
NEXT QUESTION, RYAN, NATIONAL 
POST, LINE OPEN.
>> (Question by Media): YEAH, 
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
YOUR RENT SUBSIDY PROGRAM RUNS 
OUT NEXT WEEK, AND WE'RE HEARING
A LOT OF CONCERNS OF BUSINESSES 
ABILITY WHETHER OR NOT IT MIGHT 
BE EXTENDED, ALSO AS WE'RE 
STARTING TO REOPEN AND STARTING 
TO DO BUSINESS HERE IN THE MONTH
OF JUNE, THEY'RE WORRIED THEY 
MIGHT IN EFFECT ACTUALLY DO TOO 
MUCH BUSINESS AND NOT EDGED UP 
QUALIFYING FOR THE SUBSIDY, EVEN
THOUGH THEY WERE CLOSED FOR THE 
ENTIRE MONTH OF THE APRIL AND 
MAY.
I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE LOOKING 
AT EXTENDING THAT PROGRAM OR 
CHANGING THE AMOUNT THAT THEIR 
REVENUE HAS TO DROP TO ACCOUNT 
FOR THAT.
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: AS WE'VE SAID FROM THE 
BEGINNING, AS THIS PANDEMIC 
EVOLVES, WE ARE ADJUSTING THEIR 
PROGRAMS.
IT IS OBVIOUSLY THAT PROGRAMS 
THAT WORKED AND WERE DESIGNED TO
KEEP THE ECONOMY SHUT DOWN SO 
THAT EVERYONE WOULD STAY SAFE, 
ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE 
EXACTLY THE RIGHT PROGRAMS FOR 
AN ECONOMY THAT IS RESTARTING 
FOR PEOPLE GETTING BACK TO WORK.
THAT IS WHY EVERY STEP OF THE 
WAY WILL BE ADJUSTING AND 
LOOKING AT ADJUSTING OUR VARIOUS
PROGRAMS SO THAT, AS YOU POINTED
OUT, THERE ISN'T A DISINCENTIVE 
TO HIRE OR GROW OR BE 
SUCCESSFUL.
WE WANT ALL COMPANIES, ALL 
BUSINESSES, TO DO AS BEST THEY 
CAN TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE BACK, TO
START GETTING AS MUCH PROFITS 
AND BUSINESS AS THEY CAN.
WE DON'T WE WENT PROGRAMS TO 
HAVE THE COUNTER IMPACT OF 
HOLDING THEM BACK BECAUSE THEY 
WILL LOSE HELP THAT THEY WILL 
CONTINUE TO NEED.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING
AT VERY CLOSELY ON THE WAGE 
SUBSIDY, ON THE RENT PROGRAM AND
ON OTHER PROGRAMS AS WELL.
WE WANT FEEM TO FEEL LIKE THEY 
SHOULD BE GROG AS FAST AS THEY 
CAN AND GETTING THE SUPPORT THEY
NEED.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: FROM 
THE BEGINNING OF THIS CRISIS, WE
REALIZED WE WOULD HAVE TO AD 
JUST OUR PROGRAMS AS THINGS 
EVOLVED.
NOW, CERTAINLY, THE PROGRAMS WE 
INTRODUCED AT THE BEGINNING TO 
HELP PEOPLE TO STAY HOME OR TO 
HELP BUSINESSES REMAIN SHUT ARE 
NOT NECESSARILY THE SPECIFIC 
PROGRAMS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE 
FOR AN ECONOMY THAT'S REOPENING.
SO WE WILL BE ADJUSTING TO 
ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO CREATE 
AND CREATE NEW JOBS AND HIRE 
MORE EMPLOYEES WITHOUT HAVING TO
HOLD BACK.
BECAUSE OF A LACK OF FEDERAL 
ASSISTANCE.
WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR
SUPPORT, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO 
ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO SUCCEED 
AND GROW AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL 
DO.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> (Question by Media): SIR, ON 
ANOTHER TOPIC YOU SPOKE WITH THE
EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT YESTERDAY, 
THE CANADIAN CITIZEN WHO'S BEEN 
IN PRISON THERE OVER A YEAR, AND
HIS FAMILY IS CONCERNED HE MAY 
HAVE DEVELOPED COVID AND IS NOT 
GETTING APPROPRIATE TREATMENT.
I'M WONDERING IF HIS CONSULAR 
CASE CAME UP, AND IF YOU CAN 
GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT.
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: YES.
I CAN HIGHLIGHT IN MY 
CONVERSATION WITH PRESIDENT 
EL-SISSI YESTERDAY, WE SPOKE 
DIRECTLY ABOUT THE CASE OF 
MR. ALBAS.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK 
TOGETHER, AND WE WILL CONTINUE 
AS A COUNTRY TO STAND UP FOR 
CANADIANS IN DIFFICULTY 
OVERSEAS.
WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH
EGYPTIAN AUTHORITIES ON THIS 
CASE, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO 
MONITOR IT VERY, VERY CLOSELY, 
HEARING VERY CLEARLY THAT VOICES
OF FAMILY MEMBERS AND CONCERNED 
CANADIANS ABOUT MR. ALBAS'S 
SITUATION.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: YES, IN
MY CONVERSATION WITH 
MR. EL-SISSI, WE SPOKE DIRECTLY 
ABOUT THE SITUATION OF 
MR. ALBAS.
WE WILL WORK TOGETHER AND 
CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR MR. ALBAS' 
RETURN TO CANADA.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> OPERATOR?
>> THANK YOU, MERCI.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: THANK 
YOU.
GOOD MORNING, MR. TRUDEAU.
I'D LOBBYING TO COME BACK TO THE
MENG WANZHOU AND THE TWO 
MICHAELS STORY.
NOW, THERE WAS A LETTER 
ADDRESSED TO YOU BY FORMER 
PARLIAMENTARIANS, MINISTERS, 
FOREIGN AFFAIRS, AND OTHERS.
AND IN THIS LETTER, THEY ARE 
ASKING FOR THE RELEASE OF MENG 
WANZHOU, SAYING IT WILL BE A 
POSSIBILITY, GIVE THE 
OPPORTUNITY TO REDEFINE THE 
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CANADA AND 
CHINA.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE?
>> I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THOSE
DISTINGUISHED CANADIANS.
I APPRECIATE THEIR INVOLVEMENT, 
BUT THE REALITY IS THAT 
RELEASING MENG WANZHOU TO 
RESOLVE A SHORT-TERM PROBLEM 
WOULD ENDANGER THOUSANDS OF 
CANADIANS WHO TRAVELLED TO CHINA
AND AROUND THE WORLD BY LETTING 
THEM -- THESE COUNTRIES KNOW 
THAT IF -- IF A GOVERNMENT CAN 
HAVE POLITICAL INFLUENCE OVER 
CANADA BY RANDOMLY ARRESTING 
CANADIANS, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY 
UNACCEPTABLE.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TIRE LESSLY
TO ENSURE THE RELEASE OF THE TWO
MICHAELS, THOSE TWO DETAINED 
CANADIANS, BUT WE WILL ALWAYS 
STAND UP, NOT ONLY FOR THE 
RESPECT OF OUR INDEPENDENT 
JUDICIAL SYSTEM, BUT ALSO MAKE 
IT CLEAR TO COUNTRIES LIKE CHINA
THAT WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT 
JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND THAT WE WILL
NOT ACCEPT POLITICAL PRESSURE, 
PARTICULARLY PRESSURE THAT CAN 
ENDANGER THE LIVES OF CANADIANS 
WITH RANDOM ARRESTS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: I RESPECT THE 
DISTINGUISHED CANADIANS WHO PUT 
FORWARD THAT LETTER, BUT I 
DEEPLY DISAGREE WITH THEM.
THE IDEA OF SOLVING A SHORT-TERM
SITUATION BY CREATING A 
PRECEDENT THAT DEMONSTRATES TO 
CHINA THAT ALL THEY OR ANOTHER 
COUNTRY HAS TO DO IS RANDOMLY 
ARREST A HANDFUL OF CANADIANS TO
PUT POLITICAL PRESSURE ON A 
GOVERNMENT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT,
EVEN BY GOING AGAINST THE 
INDEPENDENCE OF OUR JUSTICE 
SYSTEM, WOULD ENDANGER THE 
MILLIONS OF CANADIANS WHO LIVE 
SCPL TRAVEL OVERSEAS EVERY YEAR.
WE CANNOT ALLOW POLITICAL 
PRESSURES OR RANDOM ARRESTS OF 
CANADIAN CITIZENS TO INFLUENCE 
THE FUNCTIONING OF OUR JUSTICE 
SYSTEM.
SO I RESPECT THESE INDIVIDUALS, 
BUT THEY'RE WRONG IN THEIR 
APPROACH.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: YES, AS
A FOLLOW-UP, THIS IS A POINT OF 
LAW.
THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, BRIAN 
GREENSPAN SAYS IN HIS LEGAL 
OPINION THAT THE MINISTER OF 
JUSTICE HAS THE POWER TO 
INTERVENE RIGHT NOW IN THE 
JUDICIAL PROCESS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY 
INTERFERENCE.
HE DOESN'T NEED TO WAIT UNTIL 
THE END OF THE PROCESS.
DO YOU SHARE THAT INTERPRETATION
OF HIS POWERS?
OR PERHAPS YOU COULD SAY WHAT 
YOUR VIEW IS.
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: WELL, I WON'T GO INTO 
ANY LEGAL DETAILS.
AND I DON'T NEED TO DO THAT 
EITHER.
BECAUSE WHATEVER THE TOOLS WE 
CAN LEGITIMATELY USE, THE RESULT
WOULD BE THE SAME.
CHINA COULD PUT ENOUGH PRESSURE 
ON CANADA TO HAVE US RELEASE ONE
OF THEIR CITIZENS, AND THAT 
PRESSURE WOULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED
BY ARBITRARILY DETAINING TWO 
CANADIANS.
WE CANNOT ALLOW CHINA TO BELIEVE
THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT CAN WORK 
WITH CANADA.
EITHER NOW OR IN FUTURE.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO SHOW 
THAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM WILL 
OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY AND FREE 
OF POLITICAL INTERFERENCE FROM 
CHINA OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY, AND 
WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE 
WAY THAT YOU WANT FROM CANADA IS
NOT BY ARRESTING CANADIANS WHO 
ARE TRAVELLING.
THAT'S AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT 
PRINCIPLE THAT WE MUST FOLLOW.
>> (Question by Media): RADIO 
CANADA.
GOOD MORNING, MR. TRUDEAU.
A QUESTION ON HEALTH TRANSFERS 
AND SUPPORT FOR LONG-TERM CARE 
FACILITIES.
I WAS LISTENING TO WHAT YOU SAID
TO MY COLLEAGUE, BUT I'M NOT 
REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE
TRYING TO SAY.
YES OR NO, IS THERE A NEED FOR 
FEDERAL STANDARD TO APPLY TO 
LONG-TERM CARE HOMES IN CANADA?
>> WELL, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT 
THERE NEED TO BE MORE STANDARDS,
THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE RIGOUR, 
AND BETTER PROTECTION FOR 
SENIORS IN OUR LONG-TERM CARE 
CENTRES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE.
THERE HAS TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
NOW, WHAT FORM COULD THOSE 
IMPROVEMENTS TAKE?
WELL, I THINK ON THAT NOTE YOU 
HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH 
THE PREMIERS, BECAUSE IT IS 
THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY 
ARE ONES WHO ARE FAILED TO 
PROPERLY PROTECT OUR SENIORS 
DURING THIS PANDEMIC.
NOW, CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 
PLAY A ROLE?
YES, ABSOLUTELY.
MUST IT PLAY A ROLE?
WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT WITH 
THE PROVINCES.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY DESIRE TO 
INTERFERE IN THE PROVINCE'S AREA
OF JURISDICTION, BUT OBVIOUSLY 
THE PROVINCES NEED ADDITIONAL 
HELP IN ORDER TO PROPERLY SERVE 
OUR SENIORS, AND THEREFORE WE 
WILL BE THERE TO HELP.
HOW WILL WE HELP?
WELL, THAT'S WHERE OUR 
FEDERATION OPERATES BASED ON 
DISCUSSIONS, COLLABORATIONS, AND
NEGOTIATIONS.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WILL 
BE DOING THIS EVENING WHEN I SIT
DOWN WITH THEM.
>>>  YOU TALK ABOUT HELP.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: ONE OF THINGS THAT IS 
VERY CLEAR IS THAT OUR CURRENT 
SYSTEM OF SUPPORTING SENIORS 
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY HAS NOT 
WORKED.
IT IS A PROVINCIAL 
RESPONSIBILITY, SO IT IS THEM 
WHO HAVE FAILED TO SUPPORT OUR 
SENIORS, BUT OF COURSE THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS HAPPY TO 
BE THERE TO HELP.
WE WANT TO RESPECT PROVINCIAL 
JURISDICTIONS, BUT I THINK WE 
KNOW THINGS NEED TO CHANGE.
DO WE NEED NATIONAL STANDARDS OR
DOT PROVINCES JUST NEED TO 
INCREASE THEIR STANDARDS 
SIGNIFICANTLY TO REACH AN 
EQUIVALENT LEVEL ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY?
THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS WE CAN 
HAVE WITH THE PREMIERS, 
CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD ON AN 
ONGOING BASIS EVERY THURSDAY 
NIGHT FOR THE PAST 15 WEEKS.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL BE 
THERE FOR OUR SENIORS.
HOW WE DO THAT, BECAUSE OF THE 
CONSTITUTIONAL DIVISION OF 
POWERS, WE WILL WORK IN 
CONSULTATION IN RESPECT OF THE 
PREMIERS.
BUT WE KNOW CANADA AS A WHOLE, 
ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, NEED 
TO DO BETTER FOR OUR SENIORS, 
AND WE WILL BE THERE TO DO THAT.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: BUT THE
PROVINCES ARE SAYING THERE'S NOT
NECESSARILY A NEED FOR MORE 
STANDARDS, THERE'S A NEED FOR 
MORE MONEY IN HEALTH CARE.
I KNOW YOU'VE INCREASED 
STANDARDS AND PUT $14 BILLION ON
THE TABLE, BUT THE PROVINCE IS 
SAYING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 
WILL SUPPORT 25% OF HEALTH CARE 
COSTS.
ARE YOU PREPARED TO SAY THAT YOU
WILL DO THAT?
WILL YOU PROVIDE 25% OF THE 
COSTS TO THE PROVINCES AS THEY 
ARE DEMANDING?
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: I DON'T INTEND TO 
NEGOTIATE IN PUBLIC.
I HAVE SAID TO THE PREMIERS OF 
THE PROVINCES THAT, YES, WE ARE 
OPENING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION 
THAT WILL CONTINUE THIS CALL ON 
HEALTH CARE TRANSFERS.
I THINK THE COVID EXPERIENCE HAS
MADE IT CLEAR THAT HAS TO 
HAPPEN, BUT WE'LL ALSO SEE WHERE
THOSE CONVERSATIONS TAKE US AT 
THAT TIME.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> (Question by Media): QUEBEC 
HAS SAID THEY WILL NO LONGER 
PUBLISH DAILY CASE COUNTS, DEATH
COUNTS OR TESTING NUMBERS 
STARTING ON FRIDAY.
DOCTORS ARE SAYING THIS IS A 
LACK OF TRANSPARENCY THAT POSES 
A RISK TO PUBLIC HEALTH, AND 
FUELS MISTRUST OF THE PUBLIC IN 
THE MIDDLE OF AMAN.
WILL YOU ASK PREMIER LEGAULT TO 
CHANGE THIS DECISION, AND WHAT 
MESSAGE DO YOU THINK THIS SENDS 
TO CANADIANS WHO ARE BEING TOLD 
THE RISK OF COVID-19 IS VERY 
PRESENT?
>> I THINK EVERY PROVINCE MAKES 
ITS OWN DECISIONS ABOUT HOW 
TRANSPARENT IT NEEDS TO BE AND 
HOW MUCH IT WILL PROVIDE DATA 
AND INFORMATION TO ITS CITIZENS.
I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY 
EXAMPLES, I THINK OF PEI WHERE 
THERE HASN'T BEEN A CASE IN 
MANY, MANY WEEKS.
I DOUBT THEY WERE FEELING LIKE 
THEY HAD TO PUBLISH CASE NUMBERS
EVERY SINGLE DAY.
THEY MAY WELL DO IT.
I DON'T KNOW.
IN QUEBEC, THERE'S STILL VERY 
MUCH SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CASES
EVERY SINGLE DAY, A SIGNIFICANT 
NUMBER OF DEATHS, UNFORTUNATELY,
I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT PREMIER 
LEGAULT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE 
TRANSPARENT AND OPEN WITH 
QUEBECERS AND INDEED ALL 
CANADIANS AS HE HAS BEEN FROM 
THE VERY BEGINNING.
[ Speaking French ]
>> Voice of Interpreter: I 
BELIEVE THAT FIRST OF ALL IT 
RECOGNIZES THAT THE PROVINCE HAS
DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND HAS NOT HAD
ANY CASES FOR MANY WEEKS, SO WE 
WILL NOT BE PUBLISHING DAILY 
ACCOUNTS AND NUMBERS WHEN THOSE 
NUMBERS REMAIN AT ZERO.
I THINK THAT IN QUEBEC, WE ARE 
CONTINUING TO SEE NEW CASES 
EVERY DAY, AND IT'S A QUESTION 
OF LOOKING AT HOW THE SITUATION 
IS EVOLVING, AND I HOPE THAT 
PREMIER LEGAULT WILL CONTINUE TO
BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT WITH THE
CITIZENS OF THE PROVINCE AS HE 
HAS BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING, I 
THINK IT WAS REASSURING FOR 
CITIZENS, AND I HOPE IT'S 
IMPORTANT FOR SCIENTISTS AND 
RESEARCHERS TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT 
IS HAPPENING IN THIS PANDEMIC.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> (Question by 
Media):... ALLOWS THE JUSTICE 
MINISTER TO INTERVENE AND STOP 
AN EXTRADITION.
DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS 
PROVISION WHEN MENG WAS DETAINED
AND IF SO, WHY DO YOU CONTINUE 
TO SAY CANADA WILL NOT INTERVENE
WHEN THE LEGISLATIVE POWER IS 
THERE, AND IFFURE NOT GOING TO 
USE THAT POWER, WHAT OTHER 
OPTIONS DO YOU HAVE IF CHINA HAS
ALREADY HINTED THEY WOULD BE 
OPEN TO A SWAP?
>> The Rt. Honourable Justin 
Trudeau: WE'RE IN A SITUATION 
WHERE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE 
PRIORITY OF ANY CANADIAN 
GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE TO KEEP 
CANADIANS SAFE, WHICH IS WHY 
WE'RE WORKING INCREDIBLY HARD TO
BRING HOME THOSE TWO MICHAELS 
WHO HAVE BEEN ARBITRARILY 
DETAINED.
CHINA ITSELF HAS ADMITTED THAT 
THERE IS A DIRECT LINK BETWEEN 
THE DETENTION OF MICHAEL KOVRIG 
AND MICHAEL SPAVOR AND THE 
ARREST IN AN EXTRADITION PROCESS
OF MENG WANZHOU.
WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT JUSTICE 
SYSTEM THAT IS GOING THROUGH ITS
PROCESS, AND YES THERE IS AND 
HAS BEEN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING
AN ELEMENT OF THAT THAT INVOLVES
INPUT FROM THE JUSTICE MINISTER 
AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
HOWEVER, THE BIGGER QUESTION IS 
WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT CHINA OR 
OTHER COUNTRIES TO GET THE 
MESSAGE THAT ALL THEY HAVE TO DO
TO GET LEVERAGE OVER THE 
CANADIAN GOVERNMENT IS RANDOMLY 
ARREST A COUPLE OF CANADIANS.
THAT NOT ONLY PUTS CANADIAN IN 
DIFFICULTY NOW, BUT PUT THEM IN 
DIFFICULTY AND DANGER IN THE 
COMING YEARS.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE 
ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT 
CANADA HAS AN INDEPENDENT 
JUDICIARY, AND THOSE PROCESSES 
WILL UNFOLD INDEPENDENTLY OF ANY
POLITICAL PRESSURE, INCLUDING BY
FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.
WE DEPLORE WHAT CHINA DID IN 
ARBITRARILY DETAINING THE TWO 
MICHAELS, IN DIRECTLY LINKING 
THOSE ARRESTS WHICH CAME A FEW 
DAYS AFTER THE ARREST ON AN 
EXTRADITION TREATY OF MENG 
WANZHOU TO EACH OTHER.
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN 
STEADFAST AND STRONG AND SAY 
VERY CLEARLY IN OUR ACTIONS AND 
IN OUR WORDS THAT RANDOMLY 
ARRESTING CANADIANS DOESN'T GIVE
YOU LEVERAGE OVER THE GOVERNMENT
OF CANADA ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
[ Please Stand By ]
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: AND 
I FEEL DEEPLY FOR NOT JUST THE 
TWO MICHAELS IN A VERY 
DIFFICULT SITUATION, BUT THEIR 
FAMILIES WHO HAVE ENDURED, YOU 
KNOW, A YEAR AND A HALF OF 
DIFFICULTIES WITH THIS 
ARBITRARY DETENTION BY CHINESE.
KHIE BUT IT IS NOT JUST THE TWO 
MICHAELS WHO HAVE AT QUESTION 
HERE.
IT IS EVERY CANADIAN WHO 
TRAVELS TO CHINA OR ANYWHERE 
ELSE OVERSEAS.
IF THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT 
CONCLUDES FROM THIS EXCHANGE 
AND THIS INTERACTION S THAT IT 
IS AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO GAIN 
LEVERAGE OVER CANADIAN AND OVER 
THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT TO 
RANDOMLY ARREST CANADIANS, THEN 
NO CANADIAN WILL BE SAFE GOING 
FORWARD.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTY 
AND THE HEARTWRENCHING ORDEAL 
THAT THESE TWO MICHAELS ARE 
GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
BUT ALWAYS, I NEED TO FOCUS ON 
AND OUR GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO 
FOCUS ON WHAT IS GOING TO KEEP 
CANADIANS SAFE INTO THE FUTURE.
AND TO DEMONSTRATE TO CHINA 
THAT THEY CAN JUST ARREST 
CANADIAN AND GET WHAT THEY WANT 
OUT OF CANADA, EVEN FOR US 
GOING AGAINST THE INDEPENDENCE 
OF OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM WOULD BE 
ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: I 
UNDERSTAND JUST WHAT A TERRIBLE 
AND TRYING SITUATION THIS IS.
FOR THE TWO MICHAEL AND THEIR 
FAMILIES.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE MEMBERS OF 
THEIR FAMILIES AND I KNOW THIS 
IS VERY, VERY PAINFUL TIME FOR 
THEM.
BUT MY RESPONSIBILITY GOES 
BEYOND THOSE TWO CANADIANS.
THERE ARE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF 
CANADIANS WHO TRAVEL TO CHINA 
EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
THERE ARE THREE MILLION 
CANADIANS WHO LIVE ABROAD AT 
ALL TIMES AND THOSE CANADIANS 
WOULD BE VULNERABLE TO RANDOM 
ARRESTS IF COUNTRIES AROUND THE 
WORLD, AND GOVERNMENTS AROUND 
THE WORLD, WERE TO CONCLUDE 
THAT THE WAY TO GET WHAT YOU 
WANT FROM CANADA IS JUST TO 
ARREST A FEW CANADIANS.
AND GIVE THEM SOME GRIEF.
SO WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO 
STAND UP FOR THE INDEPENDENCE 
OF OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM, FOR 
RESPECT OF OUR INTERNATIONAL 
TREATIES AND TO NOT ALLOW 
OURSELVES TO BE INFLUENCED BY 
THE ARREST OF TWO INDIVIDUALS 
BECAUSE IF WE -- BECAUSE 
OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE 
ENDANGERING MANY, MANY 
CANADIANS IN THE FUTURE.
>> Reporter: THERE HAVE BEEN 
SUGGESTIONS THAT CANADA REVOKE 
VISAS FOR CHINESE STUDENTS 
STUDYING IN CANADA IF THEY HAVE 
CLOSE TIES TO THE CANADA 
CHINESE ECONOMY OR THAT THEY 
TARGET OFFICIALS THROUGH THE 
MAGNITSKI ACT.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WE 
ARE LOOKING AT A RANGE OF 
OPTIONS AND MEASURES AND 
CONTINUING TO EXERT VARIOUS 
ACTIONS IN ORDER TO BRING BACK 
BOTH MICHAELS SAFELY.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK 
EXTREMELY HARD AND LOOK AT ALL 
DIFFERENT WAYS TO ENSURE THAT 
WE BRING THESE CANADIANS HOME.
WE HAVE, OVER THE PAST NUMBER 
OF YEARS, DEMONSTRATED 
SIGNIFICANT SUCCESS IN STANDING 
UP FOR CANADIANS IN TROUBLE 
OVERSEAS.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO EVERYTHING 
WE NEED TO DO TO BRING THEM 
HOME WITHOUT FURTHER 
ENDANGERING CANADIANS IN THE 
FUTURE.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: AS I 
SAID, WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE 
ALL POSSIBLE OPTIONS IN ORDER 
TO BRING THE TWO CANADIANS HOME.
BUT WE WILL NOT ENDANGER 
CANADIANS WHO MAY TRAVEL TO 
CHINA OR ELSEWHERE IN THE 
FUTURE.
>> Reporter: THOSE 19 CANADIANS 
WHO SIGNED THE LETTER SAY THAT 
CANADIAN FOREIGN POLICY IS 
ESSENTIALLY FROZEN WHILE THE 
TWO MICHAELS ARE HELD IN CHINA.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT 
ASSESSMENT?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: ON 
THE CONTRARY.
WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE 
SUBSTANTIALLY AROUND THE WORLD 
AND WITH CHINA ON MANY 
DIFFERENT ISSUES.
BUT THERE IS -- IT IS CERTAIN 
THAT THIS ISSUE OF CHINA TRYING 
TO EXERT POLITICAL PRESSURE ON 
CANADA BY HAVING ARBITRARILY 
DETAINED TWO CANADIANS IN 
RESPONSE TO US FULFILLING 
OBLIGATIONS UNDER AN 
INTERNATIONAL EXTRADITION 
TREATY IS CAUSING A CHALLENGE 
IN OUR RELATIONSHIP.
WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE 
HAVE AN INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY 
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO RESPECT 
THAT INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY 
REGARDLESS OF THE PRESSURE PUT 
ON US BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS 
AND THAT IS WHY, EVEN AS WE DO 
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BRING 
THOSE MICHAELS HOME, WE WILL 
NOT GIVE IN TO THESE POLITICAL 
PRESSURES AND COMPROMISE THE 
INDEPENDENCE OF OUR JUDICIARY 
OR ALLOW OTHERS TO CONCLUDE 
THAT THERE ARE POLITICAL PATHS 
TO GET WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF 
CANADA'S INDEPENDENT JUDICIAL 
SYSTEM.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: WE 
WILL DON'T DO EVERYTHING WE 
MUST DO TO BRING HOME THE TWO 
MICHAELS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE 
CONTINUE TO BE ENGAGED ON OTHER 
ISSUES WITH CHINA AND CERTAINLY 
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS 
AFFECTING ALL OF OUR 
CONVERSATIONS.
BUT IT IS AN EXTREMELY 
IMPORTANT TIME FOR US TO 
DEMONSTRATE THAT WE WILL NOT 
ACCEPT BEING THE SUBJECT OF 
POLITICAL PRESSURE.
IF IT WILL COMPROMISE OUR 
INDEPENDENT JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
>>
>> Reporter: CANADIANSS HAVE A 
LOT OF QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE 
RCMP CONDUCTED ITSELF AS A MASS 
SHOOTER TERRORIZED NOVA 
SCOTIANS LAST APRIL.
EVERYBODY SEEMS TO AGREE THAT 
ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE 
NECESSARY.
BUT SO FAR THEY DON'T SEEM TO 
BE COMING ANYTIME SOON.
WILL YOUR GOVERNMENT CALL A 
PUBLIC INQUIRY INTO THE 
SHOOTING?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
THERE IS T OBVIOUSLY, AN 
ONGOING RCMP INVESTIGATION INTO 
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN TERMS 
OF THE SHOOTING IS S. BUT THERE 
ARE MANY, MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 
THE ROLE OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, 
ABOUT THE SITUATION WHERE THE 
SHOOTER WAS ABLE TO GET HIS 
HANDS ON POLICE VEHICLES AND 
KIT.
THERE ARE MANY LARGER QUESTIONS 
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE 
GOVERNMENT OF NOVA SCOTIA TO 
ENSURE A PROCESS WHEREBY THAT 
ACTUALLY -- THOSE QUESTIONS GET 
ANSWERED FOR THE FAMILY, FOR 
THE COMMUNITIES, FOR CANADIAN 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WE 
CERTAINLY HOPE TO HAVE THINGS 
TO ANNOUNCE IN THE COMING DAYS.
OK.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: OF 
COURSE, THERE ARE MANY, MANY 
QUESTIONS ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT 
HAPPENED IN NOVA SCOTIA.
AN INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING.
LOOKING AT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF 
THIS EVENT.
BUT THERE ARE LARGER QUESTIONS 
AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE ROLE OF 
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND HOW THIS 
INDIVIDUAL COULD HAVE BEEN ABLE 
TO OBTAIN RCMP VEHICLES AND SO 
FORTH.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH NOVA 
SCOTIA ON A PROCESS THAT WILL 
ALLOW US TO FIND THOSE ANSWERS 
OPENLY AND TRANSPARENTLY AND WE 
HOPE TO HAVE MORE TO SAY ABOUT 
THAT IN THE COMING DAYS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Rosemary: OK.
THAT IS THE PRIME MINISTER OF 
CANADA, ON THIS THURSDAY.
MAKING A LOT OF DETAILED 
ANNOUNCEMENTS AROUND THE 
STUDENT AID PACKAGE THAT WAS 
ANNOUNCED BACK IN APRIL.
A TOTAL OF $9 BILLION.
BUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY 
GIVING MORE SPECIFICS ON HOW 
THE VOLUNTEER GRANT PROGRAMME 
WOULD WORK AND ANNOUNCEMENT 
THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS CREATING 
THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND 
PLACEMENTS FOR UNIVERSITY AND 
CEGEP AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS 
IN THE MONTHS AHEAD.
SO, THERE WILL BE SOME 
EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR 
YOUNG PEOPLE COMING VERY SOON.
I'LL BRING IN MY COLLEAGUES, 
THE HOST OF "POWER & POLITICS" 
VASSY KAPELOS AND THE CBC'S 
CATHERINE CULLEN.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL WANT TO TALK 
ABOUT CHINA.
I'LL DO A STUDENT PART FIRST 
BECAUSE I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE 
ARE LOOKING FOR THAT 
INFORMATION AS WELL.
THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAMME, WHICH 
WILL GIVE YOU ACCESS TO $1,000 
TO $5,000 STARTS TODAY AND ENDS 
AT THE END OF OCTOBER.
VASSY?
>> Vassy: YEAH.
AND I THINK THAT THE PRIME 
MINISTER SAID YOU CAN QUALIFY 
FOR WORK DONE BETWEEN JUNE 15 
-- OR JUNE 18 AND SEPTEMBER 15.
YES.
JUNE 18 AND SEPTEMBER 15.
I LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE THAT HE 
CALLED UP TO GET SOME MORE 
DETAIL ON EXACTLY HOW MUCH YOU 
CAN QUALIFY FOR, LIKE WHAT KIND 
OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO 
QUALIFY FOR.
IT SOUND LIKE IT IS $1,000 PER 
100 HOURS VOLUNTEER.
IF YOU ARE IN BETWEEN MARKERS 
OF 100, SO SAY YOU EVE DONE 150 
HOURS, YOU WOULD NOT QUALIFY 
UNTIL YOU REACH 200 FOR 2,000 
AND SO FORTH.
SO, IT LOOK LIKE THOSE 
PARAMETERS ARE PRETTY CLEAR.
THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THE WEBSITE SAYS, FOR 
EXAMPLE, THAT YOU QUALIFY AS OF 
JUNE 25 AND THE PRIME MINISTER 
SAID JUNE 18.
SO S TRYING TO GET SOME 
CLARIFICATION.
>> Rosemary: I'M TOLD THAT WAS 
A TYPO, THE JUNE 18.
SO IT DOES START TODAY.
[LAUGHTER]
AND ENDS THE END OF OCTOBER.
>> Vassy: MY GUESS IS, AND I'M 
SEEING RESPONSE TO THE TWEET HE 
PUT OUT, THERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF 
VOLUNTEER HOURS PRIOR TO THAT.
BECAUSE FOR MANY UNIVERSITY 
STUDENTS THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN 
OFF AS OF THE BEGINNING OF MAY, 
PERHAPS A BIT EARLIER.
WON'T QUALIFY TOWARDS THAT 
AMOUNT OF MONEY.
BUT THAT IS THE PARAMETER THAT 
THE GOVERNMENT SET OUT TODAY.
SO, I IMAGINE THAT THE WEBSITE 
IS IWANTTOHELP.ORG.
THAT DOES HAVE A LOT MORE 
DETAILS AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE 
CONTINUING TO GET REACTION TO 
SOME OF THE PARAMETERS AROUND 
ELIGIBILITY.
I SHOULD ALSO MENTION IF YOU 
ARE ON THE STUDENT BENEFIT -- 
SO IF YOU ARE GETTING THAT 
$1250 A MONTH, YOU CAN STILL 
QUALIFY FOR THIS IN ADDITION TO 
THAT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE ACCESSING 
CERB, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 
EARLIER HOW ABOUT HOW ONE FIFTH 
OF PEOPLE WHO APPLIED ARE 
WITHIN THAT 15 TO 24 AGE RANGE.
IF YOU ARE ACCESSING CERB, IT 
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU WILL BE 
ABLE TO ACCESS IT.
YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE STUDENT 
CERB IN ORDER TO GET THE 
VOLUNTEER BENEFIT AS WELL.
IF YOU ARE ON THE REGULAR CERB, 
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO.
THOSE ARE THE DETAILS.
>> Rosemary: IF YOU DON'T HAVE 
A JOB, THERE IS 10,000 NEW JOB 
PLACEMENTS BETWEEN 15 AND 30.
THERE'S 20,000 STUDENT 
WORKPLACEMENTS, A NEW PROGRAMME 
WHERE YOU COULD DO INTERNSHIPS 
AT AN ORGANIZATION CALLED MY 
TAX.
SO, YOU'LL WANT TO GO ON THE 
WEBSITE IF YOU ARE A STUDENT 
AND LOOKING FOR PLACES TO MAKE 
MONEY OR DO WORK.
BECAUSE LOTS MORE HAS SUDDENLY 
BECOME AVAILABLE S. OK.
I'LL SHIFT TO CHINA NOW.
I'LL GET YOU BOTH IN-TO-WEIGH 
IN ON THAT, OBVIOUSLY.
THE PRIME MINISTER FACING MANY 
SIMILAR QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS 
RESPONSE TO THAT LETTER FROM 
WELL-KNOWN CANADIAN AND THE 
PRESSURE BY THEM AND I WOULD 
SAY OTHERS AS WELL THAT PERHAPS 
THE SOLUTION TO GETTING THE TWO 
MICHAELS -- MICHAEL KOVRIG AND 
MICHAEL SPAVOR -- RELEASED IS 
ALSO TO RELEASE MENG WANZHOU 
AND THE PRIME MINISTER, AS WE 
EXPECTED, HIS TUNE DIDN'T 
CHANGE BUT HIS LANGUAGE WAS 
QUITE TOUGH.
VASSY?
>> Vassy: AND IT WAS VERY 
SPECIFIC TO THE CONTENT AND THE 
NAMES ON THE LETTER BECAUSE HE 
WAS ASKED, AS YOU MENTIONED A 
NUMBER OF TIMES, THESE ARE 19 
PROMINENT POLITICAL FIGURES IN 
THIS COUNTRY.
HE SAYS HE DEEPLY DISAGREES 
WITH THEM.
HE RESPECTS THEM BUT DEEPLY 
DISAGREES WITH THEM.
I RESPECT THESE INDIVIDUALS, 
BUT THEY'RE WRONG IN THEIR 
APPROACH.
HE WAS EMPHATIC OVER AND OVER 
AGAIN.
SHOULD WE DO WHAT THE LETTER IN 
PART SUGGESTS, WHICH IS END 
EXTRADITION -- END THE 
EXTRADITION OF MENG WANZHOU, 
THE EXTRADITION PROCEEDINGS.
THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE 
HANDING LEVERAGE TO CHINA OVER 
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND 
TELLING THEM IF THEY ARE -- AND 
I'M USING HIS WORDS -- 
ARBITRARILY TAKE TWO CANADIANS 
THAT THEY'LL GET WHAT THEY WANT 
FROM THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT 
AND HE WENT ON TO SAY THAT THAT 
WOULD FURTHER ENDANGER ANY 
CANADIAN WHO TRAVELED ANYWHERE 
IN THE WORLD.
SO, THAT WAS THE THESIS THAT HE 
PUT FORWARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I THOUGHT THAT -- I THINK 
YOU'RE RIGHT THAT IF IT'S WHAT 
WE EXPECTED TO HEAR FROM HIM, 
BUT I DO THINK THAT THE 
LANGUAGE HAS SHARPENED.
MOST CERTAINLY IN THE PAST FEW 
WEEKS AND THAT IS INTERESTING 
FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
FIRST OF ALL, THE PRIME 
MINISTER -- THE PRIMARY 
CRITICISM OF THE PRIME MINISTER 
SO FAR ON THE FILE OF CHINA WAS 
THAT HE WAS NOT TOUGH ENOUGH 
TON COUNTRY.
RIGHT?
AND THAT PRIMARILY COMES FROM 
THE RIGHT.
IT HAS DEFINITELY COME FROM 
VARIOUS CANDIDATES FOR THE 
CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADERSHIP 
AS WELL AS CURRENT LEADER OF 
THE PARTY, ANDREW SCHEER.
THIS LANGUAGE WAS, YOU KNOW, 
AGAIN IT'S THE SAME GIST OF 
THINGS THAT HE SAID BEFORE.
BUT IT WAS MORE PUNCTUATED.
I THINK THAT IS FAIR TO SAY.
I ALSO THOUGHT THAT OUR 
COLLEAGUE, OLIVIA STEFANOVICH 
HAD AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
WHILE THE PRIME MINISTER WAS 
EMPHATIC AND SPECIFIC, I THINK 
THERE IS AN AREA OF QUESTIONING 
AROUND -- YOU HEARD HIM SAY 
THEY ARE WORKING HARD BETHIENLD 
SCENE, RIGHT?
THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON A 
SOLUTION.
BUT WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE 
FAMILY THIS WEEK, AND EVEN 
THOSE 19 INDIVIDUALS WHO SIGNED 
THE LETTER TO BE FAIR TO THEM 
WAS THERE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT 
ELSE IS IT?
RIGHT?
WHAT ELSE ARE YOU DOING BEHIND 
THE SCENES?
I KNOW THEY DON'T WANT TO 
DISCLOSE TOO MUCH AND ENDANGER 
FURTHER THE LIKES OF MICHAEL 
KOVRIG AND MICHAEL SPAVOR.
BUT VARIOUS PEOPLE HAVE 
SUGGESTED, OKINGS , FOR 
EXAMPLE, CERTAIN CHINESE 
INDIVIDUAL AND REVOKE VISAS OF 
OTHERS.
THERE ARE OTHER TOOLS THAT YOU 
COULD USE THAT COULD, IN FACT, 
BACK UP THE KIND OF LANGUAGE 
THAT THE PRIME MINISTER USED 
TODAY.
BUT SO FAR-AND TODAY HE SEEMED 
RETICENT AS WELL.
HE SAID WE'RE CONSIDERING A LOT 
OF THINGS.
BUT THE GOVERNMENT HASN'T BEEN 
SPECIFIC.
OTHER THAN THEY'RE WORKING HARD 
BEHIND THE SCENE, WE REALLY 
DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICS.
THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO CONSIDER 
THIS OPTION PUT FORWARD BY THE 
LEGAL -- BY THAT LEGAL OPINION 
AND BY THOSE 19 INDIVIDUALS 
WHICH HAS INTERVENED NOW AND 
STOPPED THINGS.
BUT WHAT ELSE ARE THEY WILLING 
TO CONSIDER OR ACT ON TO BACK 
UP THE KIND OF RHETORIC THAT 
THE PRIME MINISTER USED TODAY.
THAT'S WHERE I ENVISION THE 
CONVERSATION GOING PAST TODAY.
THOSE ARE FAIR QUESTIONS FOR 
THE PRIME MINISTER.
HE SDRNL A LOT OF ANSWERS ON 
THAT TODAY.
AT THE SAME TIME, HIS LANGUAGE 
TODAY WAS VERY CLEAR.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A CHANCE 
IN THE WORLD THAT THEY ARE 
GOING TO LOOK THAT THE OPTION 
PUT FORTH BY THAT GREENSPON 
LEGAL OPINION OR WHAT IS 
SUGGESTED IN THAT LETTER BY 
THOSE 19 INDIVIDUALS.
>> Rosemary: OR EVEN NOW BY 
CHINA.
CHINA MAKING THE SUGGESTION 
THAT A SWAP OF SOME KIND WOULD 
BE POSSIBLE AND CONFIRMS WHAT 
THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SAYING 
FROM THE BEGINNING, CATHERINE.
AND THAT IS THAT THIS IS A 
TIT-FOR-TAT SITUATION.
THAT THESE TWO MEN HAVE BEEN 
ARBITRARILY DETAINED.
THAT THE REASON THEY WERE 
ARRESTED WAS BECAUSE OF MENG 
WANZHOU AND THAT DETENTION AND 
EXTRADITION ORDER.
I MEAN, CHINA HAS NOW MADE THAT 
-- HAS MADE THAT CONNECTION 
VERY CLEAR AND SO THE PRIME 
MINISTER THEN CAN ACTUALLY USE 
THAT, I THINK, IN HIS LANGUAGE 
TO ADMONISH THE CHINESE FOR 
DOING THAT.
FOR MAKING THIS ARBITRARY 
DETENTION THAT HE WOULD SUGGEST 
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING 
ELSE.
>> Reporter: AND CERTAINLY HE 
HAS BEEN SAYING THAT IT IS 
OBVIOUS FOR CANADIAN THAT THAT 
HAS BEEN LINKED FOR SOME TIME 
AND FOLLOWING OUN WHAT VASSY 
JUST SAID.
THE PRIME MINISTER DIDN'T JUST 
CLOSE THE DOOR TODAY TO 
RELEASING MENG WANZHOU, HE 
SLAMED THAT DOOR CLOSED.
AND HE HAS, IN HIS STATEMENTS 
TODAY, REALLY MADE IT IN MANY 
WAYS TO REVERSE HIMSELF FROM 
THAT POSITION BECAUSE HE'S 
EXPLICITLY LINKED THIS 
PARTICULAR COURSE OF ACTION 
BEING RECOMMENDED BY THESE 19 
PROMINENT FLAYEDIANS TO 
ENDANGERING CANADIAN LIVES.
IF WE DO, THIS IT PUTS MILLIONS 
OF CANADIANS AT RISK WHEN THEY 
TRAVEL ABROAD.
THAT SONG ENTIRELY OFF THE 
TABLE.
THERE WERE A FEW OTHER THINGS 
THAT WERE INTERESTING AND I WAS 
STRUCK EARLY ON WHEN HE TRIED 
TO EXPLAIN THE BALANCE THAT HE 
IS TRYING TO STRIKE HERE.
HE TALKED ABOUT IT AS BEING THE 
SHORT-TERM PROBLEM VERSUS THE 
PRECEDENT IT WOULD SET.
AND IN THAT MOMENT, I THOUGHT 
YOU KNOW IT IS VERY PAINFUL TO 
THINK OF THE FAMILIES OF THE 
TWO MICHAELS WHO HAVE TO HEAR 
ALL OF THIS AND CONSIDER THE 
FACT THAT THE SITUATION THAT 
THEIR LOVED ONES ARE FACING, I 
BELIEVE IT'S 563 DAYS THAT THEY 
HAVE BEEN IN DETENTION IN 
CHINA, THAT IT IS ULTIMATELY ON 
SOME LEVEL A SHORT-TERM PROBLEM.
NOW THE PRIME MINISTER DID 
EXPRESS COMPASSION.
LATER HE TALKED ABOUT THE 
DIFFICULTY OF THEIR SITUATIONS.
SAID IT IS A HEARTWRENCHING 
APPEAL AND IT IS THE 
GOVERNMENT'S NUMBER ONE 
PRIORITY.
BUT I THINK EVERYONE IN CANADA 
REALLY TAKES A MOMENT OF PAUSE 
AND CONSIDERS THE CHALLENGING 
SITUATION THAT THESE MEN HAVE 
BEEN THROUGH.
AS VASSY RIGHTLY SAID, THE 
QUESTION BECOMES SO WHAT ARE 
YOU GOING DO ABOUT IT? THERE 
HAS BEEN GROWING PRESSURE ON 
THE PRIME MINISTER TO GET 
TOUGHER WITH CHINA.
HE DIDN'T CLOSE THE DOOR TODAY 
TO SANCTIONS OR TO REVOKING 
VISAS FOR CHINESE STUDENTS WHO 
MIGHT HAVE CONNECTIONS TO THE 
COMMUNIST REGIME.
IN TERMS OF NEW MOVE ON THE 
PUBLIC FRONT, WE CERTAINLY 
DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING TODAY.
IT DOES, THOUGH, PERHAPS SEND A 
VERY STRONG MESSAGE TO CHINA 
THAT IF THEY THOUGHT THE 
GOVERNMENT WAS GOING TO PURSUE 
THIS PATH, IT IS A NO GO.
>> Rosemary: I DID -- I WAS 
THINKING, AS WE WERE THRONG 
HIM, THAT IT DID REMIND ME OF A 
PRESS CONFERENCE HE GAVE AT 
THEIR FIRST CABINET RETREAT IN 
I BELIEVE 2016 WHERE WE LEARNED 
THAT A CANADIAN HAS BEEN KILLED 
AFTER BEING TAKEN HOSTAGE.
JOHN RISDALE HAD BEEN KILLED IN 
THE PHILIPPINE AND AT THAT 
POINT, THE PRIME MINISTER MADE 
IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS THIS 
WAS A GOVERNMENT THAT WAS NOT 
GOING TO PAY RANSOM FOR 
CANADIAN HOSTAGES.
AND I MAKE THAT CONNECTION -- I 
KNOW SOME PEOPLE DO BELIEVE 
THAT THE TWO MICHAELS ARE 
ESSENTIALLY DIPLOMATIC HOSTAGES 
-- BUT I MAKE THAT POINT 
BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE IS THE 
SAME.
IN THAT INSTANCE, THE PRIME 
MINISTER SAID WE'RE NOT GOING 
TO PAY RANSOM BECAUSE WE DON'T 
WANT TO ENDANGER THE LIVES OF 
OTHER CANADIANS ABROAD AND WE 
FEEL THAT ENTERING INTO 
NEGOTIATIONS AROUND RANSOM 
WOULD DO THAT.
AND THIS IS A SORT OF THE SAME 
POINT HE IS MAKING HERE IN A 
DIFFERENT SITUATION.
AND THAT, TO ME, IS INTERESTING 
BECAUSE WHEN -- ALTHOUGH THE 
GOVERNMENT HAS THIS STRICT 
POLICY ON NOT PAYING RANSOM, 
THEY DO AND HAVE DONE IN THE 
PAST MANY THINGS BEHIND THE 
SCENES TO TRY AND GET CANADIAN 
RELEASED IF THEY ARE KIDNAPPED.
AND FURTHER TO THAT POINT, AND 
I'LL GO BACK TO YOU, VASSY, IT 
IS INTERESTING THAT ROBERT 
FOWLER HIMSELF, SOMEONE TAKEN 
HOSTAGE, IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE 
THAT SIGNED THAT LETTER AS 
SOMEONE WHO FELTED THAT HE HAD 
TO DO SOMETHING TO GET THESE 
TWO MEN RELEASED.
I THINK IT IS AN INTERESTING 
POSITION FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO 
BE IN AGAIN HERE, ALTHOUGH NOT 
HOSTAGES.
THEY ARE DEFINITELY BEING HELD 
PRISONER FOR REASONS THAT 
NOBODY UNDERSTANDS AND 
CERTAINLY NOT THEIR FAMILIES, 
VASSY.
>> Vassy: AND I THINK, IF I 
REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT WAS IN 
KANANASKIS, IN ALBERTA.
WE WERE BOTH THERE AND I 
REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY THE PRIME 
MINISTER SAYING EXACTLY THAT.
AND I REMEMBER IN DISCUSSIONS 
THAT I HAD FOLLOWING THAT, 
YOU'RE RIGHT IN 2016, SO IT 
WASN'T TOO FAR INTO THEIR 
ORIGINAL MANDATE AND I REMEMBER 
THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, PICKING 
THE BRAINS OF PEOPLE WHO 
SURROUND HIM AND TELLING ME BY 
FAR AND AWAY THAT IS THE 
HARDEST THING THAT HE HAD TO 
SAY AND DO AS PRIME MINISTER IN 
THAT SORT OF BEGINNING PART OF 
HIS MANDATE.
AND IT HAD WEIGHED ONLY THEM 
AND IS THAT GOVERNMENT.
THE SECOND POINT I HAVE --
>> Rosemary: CAN I SAY TO 
CORRECT MYSELF THAT BOTH MEN 
WERE KILLED.
I THINK I SUGGESTED THEY 
WEREN'T.
YEAH.
JOHN RIZDALE AND ROBERT HALL.
BOTH MEN WERE KILLED IN THE 
PHILIPPINES BY TERRORISTS.
>> I REMEMBER COVERING IT.
I REMEMBER THE SORT OF 
APPREHENSION AS THEY SAID WHAT 
DOES THAT MEAN?
AND IT WAS NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF 
TIME BETWEEN THAT AWFUL OUTCOME 
AND WHEN THE PRIME MINISTER HAD 
MADE THOSE STATEMENTS.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
HE WAS AS CLEAR THEN ON THAT 
POSITION, WHICH IS VERY 
SIMILAR, EVOCATIVE OF THE 
POSITION HE ESPOUSED TODAY.
AS CLEAR THEN AS HE WAS TODAY.
THE SECOND POINT I WOULD MAKE 
IS OTHER GOVERNMENTS HAVE SAID 
SIMILAR THINGS.
RIGHT?
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A 
LONG-STANDING POLICY OF THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PERIOD, 
REGARDLESS OF PARTY, IN THIS 
COUNTRY NOT TO PAY RANSOM IN 
EXCHANGE FOR CANADIANS WHO HAVE 
BEEN TAKEN HOSTAGE.
BUT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF 
REPORTING.
I HAVEN'T DONE IT PERSONALLY 
BUT I'VE CONSUMED IT ABOUT AS 
YOU RIGHTLY POINT OUT, THE 
THINGS THAT ARE DONE BEHIND THE 
SCENES.
WHILE THE GOVERNMENT IS 
PROBABLY NOT PAYING THE RANSOM, 
IN MANY CASES, IT HELPS 
FACILITATE OTHERS DOING SO OR 
HELPS ORGANIZE IT.
THERE ARE MANY INSTANCES OF 
THAT REPORTING, BUT THE 
GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER REALLY 
COME OUT AND SAID YES, WE DID 
A, B OR C AND CONFIRMED THAT.
I THINK BOTH THOSE THINGS ARE 
IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND.
I HAVE FOUND IT PARTICULARLY 
DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY 
WHAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND THE 
SCENES WHEN IT COMES TO THE TWO 
MICHAELS.
MORE SO THAN EVEN BACK THEN 
WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET 
INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY WERE 
DOING BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE 
PHILIPPINE AS I RECALL.
THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH -- THE 
MILITARY WAS INVOLVED TO A 
CERTAIN DEGREE.
INTELLIGENCE WAS INVOLVED.
THERE WERE CONCRETE EFFORTS 
BEING MADE BEHIND THE SCENES.
AND I THINK IT IS MORE 
DIFFICULT, I FIND, TO FIGURE 
OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
AND IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT 
INFORMATION IS WHY YOU GET 
CONVERSATIONS, I THINK, LIKE 
THE ONES INSTIGATED BY THIS 
LETTER AND BY THESE 19 
INDIVIDUALS.
RIGHT?
ONE OF THE POINTS THAT THEY 
MAKE -- AND IT WAS PUT TO THE 
PRIME MINISTER IS -- BECAUSE OF 
MENG WANZHOU, BECAUSE OF THIS, 
THERE IS A LACK -- IT HAS 
OVERTAKEN THE GOVERNMENT'S 
ABILITY TO ARTICULATE ITS 
SPECIFIC FOREIGN POLICY TOWARDS 
CHINA.
AND THIS HAS OVERTAKEN ALL OF 
THAT.
THAT IS ONE OF THE CLEAR POINTS 
THAT THEY MAKE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S 
UNDERSTANDABLE WHY THAT POINT 
IS MADE BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A 
HUGE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION 
COMING OUT FROM THE GOVERNMENT 
ON THIS.
THE REASONING I HAVE IS THAT 
THAT KIND OF INFORMATION WOULD 
FURTHER ENDANGER MICHAEL KOVRIG 
AND MICHAEL SPAVOR.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION 
AS WELL.
>> Rosemary: I THINK THOSE 
PARALLELS ARE VERY IMPORTANT 
AND YOU RAISE SOME GOOD POINTS.
IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'RE NOT 
TALKING ABOUT DEALING WITH A 
TERRORIST ENTITY OR EVEN SOME 
KIND OF GOVERNMENT OF A FAILED 
OR FAILING STATE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 
GOVERNMENT OF CHINA AND THE 
POLITICAL CONTEXT AROUND 
CANADA'S RELATIONSHIP WITH 
CHINA AND THE GLOBAL 
RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA.
WE LOOK AT THE UNITED STATES 
AND THE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE 
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
ANY CONCESSIONS THAT THE 
CANADIAN GOVERNMENT AND IT 
WOULD CERTAINLY COME UNDER 
INCREDIBLE SCRUTINY.
I THINK THAT THE BROADER 
POLITICAL CONTEXT AND THE FACT 
THAT THIS IS A STATE AND A VERY 
POWERFUL ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING 
ABOUT, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT 
PART OF THIS DYNAMIC, TOO.
AND ONLY FURTHER REALLY 
COMPLICATED THE SITUATION.
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
MY POINT OBVIOUSLY WHEN DEALING 
WITH A MAJOR ECONOMIC FORCE IN 
THE WORLD WOULD BE SIMILAR.
THINGS DID HAPPEN BEHIND THE 
SCENES IN THE CASE OF THE 
HOSTAGE TAKINGS.
REAL, CONCRETE THINGS AND 
PERHAPS THERE ARE THINGS 
HAPPENING HERE.
I TAKE YOUR POINT.
IT IS FAR MORE COMPLICATED TO 
DISCUSS SOME SORT OF OUTCOME 
HERE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE 
TO CANADIANS WHEN YOU WERE 
DEALING WITH A CHINESE 
GOVERNMENT THAT IS UNWILLING TO 
DISCUSS WHY THESE MEN HAVE BEEN 
DETAINED FOR NO REASON UNLESS 
THEY CAN GET SOME KIND OF, YOU 
KNOW, ACTION ON BEHALF OF THEIR 
OWN CITIZEN.
WHICH, AGAIN, AS THE PRIME 
MINISTER HAS MADE CLEAR, IS 
REALLY A PART OF THE JUSTICE 
SYSTEM AND THE CYCLE OF HOW 
THAT WILL UNFOLD NOW.
SO, ANYWAY, IT'S VERY COMPLEX.
NEEDLESS TO SAY.
IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THE 
MOUNTING PRESSURE ON THE 
GOVERNMENT AND THE PRIME 
MINISTER THIS WEEK BECAUSE OF 
ESSENTIALLY MICHAEL KOVRIG'S 
FAMILY'S DECISION TO SPEAK 
ABOUT THIS, SOMETHING THEY 
HAVEN'T DONE UNTIL NOW.
AND THAT MAY SPEAK TO THEIR 
LACK OF HOME OR THEIR SENSE OF 
DESPERATION AS TIME GOES ON 
HERE.
I'M GOING PUT YOU BOTH ON PAUSE 
FOR ONE MOMENT.
THANK YOU FOR WEIGHING IN ON 
ALL OF THAT, THOUGH.
AND TALKS NOW ABOUT VOLUNTEERS, 
BECAUSE THAT IS, INDEED, PART 
OF WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER 
TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
HOW YOUNG PEOPLE VOLUNTEERING 
OVER THE COURSE OF THIS 
PANDEMIC MAY, IN FACT, BE -- 
MAY QUALIFY TO ALSO EARN MONEY 
UNTIL THE END OF OCTOBER BY 
DOING THAT.
CYBER SENIORS IS THE PROGRAMME 
THAT PAIRS YOU KNOWING 
VOLUNTEERS WITH OLDER CANADIANS 
TO GIVE THEM THE SKILLS AND 
EQUIPMENT THEY NEED TO CONNECT 
ONLINE.
OBVIOUSLY, ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT 
IN THESE TIMES.
AS WE HEARD THERE FROM JUSTIN 
TRUDEAU, IT'S ALSO A PROGRAMME 
THAT'S BECOME IMPORTANT FOR 
YOUNG PEOPLE BECAUSE IT COULD 
POTENTIALLY BE A SOURCE OF 
MONEY MAKING FOR THEM.
MY NEXT GUESTS ARE BOTH 
INVOLVED IN CYBER SENIORS.
JEAN IS IN TORONTO AND JAY IS A 
VOLUNTEER TEACHER AND BOTH -- 
OH, JAY JOINS US FROM OSHAWA, 
ONTARIO.
GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> HI.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
>> Rosemary: YES.
SO, JEAN, LET ME START WITH YOU 
AS THE SENIOR IN TORONTO.
YOU'VE BEEN HELPING VOLUNTEERS 
GET GOING.
YOU'VE BEEN TAKING -- USING 
THIS PROGRAMME.
TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR 
EXPERIENCE.
>> WELL, I SIGNED ON IN THE 
MIDDLE OF APRIL BECAUSE I WAS 
INTERESTED IN IMPROVING MY 
SKILLS AND I REALISED HOW 
LITTLE I KNEW.
I RETIRED 13 YEARS AGO.
WE HAVE A SENIORS PROGRAMME AT 
OUR CHURCH AND ORGANIZED BY 
DOMINIC WEYMOUTH AND WHEN WE 
CAME BACK FROM FLORIDA AT THE 
END OF MARCH, I SAID I GUESS 
EVERYTHING IS CANCELED FOR 
SPRING AND HE SAID OH, YOU 
SHOULD GO ON TO 
CYBERSENIORS.ORG.
EVERY DAY, THERE'S THREE 
PROGRAMMES.
SO I HAVE BEEN ON EVERY SINGLE 
DAY SINCE THE MIDDLE OF APRIL 
AND EVERY DAY IT'S A DIFFERENT 
TOPIC.
AND I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH.
AND I REALISE, YOU KNOW, CYBER 
SECURITY, TELEMEDICINE, MEDIA 
FACT CHECKING, PASSWORDS, 
SIMPLE THINGS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE 
ON Facebook.
DON'T GET -- DON'T SAVE YOUR 
PASSWORD.
YOU SHOULD LOG ON EACH TIME AND 
LOG OUT EACH TIME.
AND YOU NEED STRONGER PASSWORDS.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PASSWORDS.
AND I LEARNED HOW TO CREATE A 
PASSWORD THAT IS VERY STRONG 
THAT ONLY I WILL REMEMBER WITH 
ABOUT 18, 19 LETTERS IN IT.
IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT 
THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE.
[LAUGHTER]
IT IS MIND BOGGLING.
AND THE VOLUNTEERS ARE HIGH 
SCHOOL STUDENTS.
WHEN I FIRST MET CONNOR AND I 
SAID WHERE ARE YOU FROM AND HE 
SAID I'M FROM HAMILTON.
I SAID OH, ARE YOU AT McMASTER?
HE SAID NO, I'M IN GRADE 9.
AND I SAID WHAT ARE WE GOING TO 
DO WHEN YOU'RE GRADUATING IN 
HIGH SCHOOL?
ARE 
YOU GOING TO TAKE COMPUTER 
SCIENCE AT WATERLOO?
I SAID YOU KNOW MORE THAN YOUR 
PROFESSORS.
[LAUGHTER]
THEY ARE VERY PATIENT.
WHEN I WAS 15, I WOULD NOT BE 
PATIENT WITH SOMEONE MY AGE WHO 
COULDN'T UNDERSTAND.
AS I SAID TO CONNOR AT ONE 
POINT, I GUESS IT WAS GOOGLE 
DOCS, I SAID CONNOR, BECAUSE 
ANY QUESTIONS AT TEND, I RAISED 
MY HAND AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, I 
REPORTED 13 YEARS AGO.
I HAD A REALLY SUCCESSFUL 
CAREER.
I HAVE TWO DEGREES AND I'M A 
MEMBER OF THE ORDER OF CANADA 
AND I FEEL AS IF I'M STARTING 
JUNIOR KINDERGARTEN WITH A 
[INAUDIBLE].
CAN WE PLEASE GO BACK AND HALF 
AN HOUR AGO [INAUDIBLE] COULD 
YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHEN I SCROLL 
DOWN -- I ENMOO, IT IS A WHOLE 
NEW WORLD.
THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SO 
PARENT AND BRIGHT AND KIND AND 
I'VE MET PEOPLE FROM QUEBEC, 
CALGARY, MISSOURI, MINNEAPOLIS.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S GREAT.
>> AND MY COLLEAGUE CASSIDY WHO 
RUNS THIS, I SAID WHERE ARE YOU?
I'M IN TORONTO.
OH, REALLY?
WHERE?
AT BATHURST AND COLLEGE.
AND I SAID YOU'RE 10 MINUTES 
AWAY FROM WHERE I LIVE AND YET 
WE HAVE PEOPLE ALL OVER.
>> Rosemary: YES.
YES.
JEAN, LET ME GET ONE OF THOSE 
VOLUNTEERS IN.
I'M NOT SURE IF SHE'S DONE ANY 
WORK WITH YOU, BUT SHE'S 
CERTAINLY DONE WORK WITH PEOPLE 
LIKE YOU.
TELL MEL WHY YOU WANTED TO 
VOLUNTEER AND HELP PEOPLE LIKE 
JEAN OUT.
REALLY SMART PEOPLE THAT KNOW 
LOTS OF THINGS, BUT JUST DON'T 
KNOW HOW A GOOGLE DOC WORKS OR 
SOME OF THE LITTLE TRICKS THAT 
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE JUST BETTER AT.
>> I FIRST WANTED TO GET 
INVOLVED WITH VOLUNTEERING 
BECAUSE WITH ALL OF THESE 
CANCELLATIONS, I WANTED TO DO 
SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP OUT 
IN SOME WAY SO I FOUND OUT 
ABOUT THIS PROGRAMME AND I 
THOUGHT, WOW, SOMETHING THAT'S 
SO INTUITIVE FOR ME CAN REALLY 
HELP THESE SENIORS AND THEY 
PICK UP ON IT PRETTY WELL, 
USUALLY.
SO I DECIDED TO GET INVOLVED 
AND I JUST DID THE TRAINING AND 
SINCE THEN I'VE BEEN DOING 
THREE OR FOUR SESSIONS A WEEK.
I JUST THOUGHT IT IS A GREAT 
WAY FOR ME TO BRUSH UP ON 
SKILLS AND EVEN SOMETIMES LEARN 
OTHER THINGS THAT I HAVEN'T 
HENEREDED AND ALSO JUST TO TALK 
TO THESE SENIORS AND HEAR ABOUT 
THEIR LIFE EXPERIENCES AS WE 
JUST HEARD.
BHA *M DO THEY MOSTLY WANT TO 
KNOW, SENIORS.
WHAT IS THE TOP ISSUE OR 
PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE?
>> A LOT OF IT IS ABOUT 
SECURITY.
SO, SOME PEOPLE WILL BE WORRIED 
ABOUT NOT SHARING THEIR 
INFORMATION ONLINE.
SO, WE TEACH THEM WAYS SO THAT 
THEY CAN BE -- CAN FEEL SECURE 
THAT THEY'RE NOT ENDANGERING 
THEIR INFORMATION SOMEHOW BY 
USING SOCIAL MEDIA SITES OR 
OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> Rosemary: AND JEAN WAS TALK 
ABOUT HOW PATIENT EVERYBODY IS 
WITH HER.
WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE?
>> SO FAR I THINK THAT PATIENCE 
IS REQUIRED.
I FIND THAT THE SENIORS ARE 
REALLY EAGER AND SOME OF THEM 
ARE TAKING NOTES THROUGHOUT THE 
ENTIRE SESSION.
SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY WILLING 
TO LEARN.
AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S NOT AS 
FRUSTRATING AS PEOPLE MIGHT 
THINK IT IS.
THERE IS A RANGE OF LEVEL AND 
SOME PEOPLE WILL HELP US ANSWER 
QUESTIONS AND SOME OF US HAVE 
JUST BEGUN.
THROUGH ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED 
IN THE PROGRAMME, THEY DO WANT 
TO LEARN HOW TO USE THESE 
THINGS.
SO, WE HAVEN'T LEARNED TOO MANY 
PROBLEMS LIKE THAT.
>> Rosemary: I DON'T KNOW IF 
YOU WOULD NORMALLY HAVE A JOB 
THIS SUMMER, BUT IF THIS IS 
WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WE KNOW 
THAT THE PRIME MINISTER IS 
SAYING THAT THERE IS VOLUNTEER 
WORK THAT MIGHT QUALIFY FOR A 
SALARY OF SOME KIND.
SO, JUST TELL ME A LITTLE BIT 
ABOUT THAT.
>> I WAS GOING TO BE -- I WAS 
HOPING TO A CAMP COUNSELOR 
AGAIN THIS SUMMER BUT THAT IS 
NOT OCCURRING.
WE MIGHT GET COMPENSATED FOR 
VOLUNTEER WORK.
JUST BECAUSE, A LOT OF 
VOLUNTEERS WOULD BE HAVING A 
PAID JOB S.
>> Marcy: WHAT IS THE BEST 
THING THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN AWAY 
FROM THIS PROGRAMME SO FAR?
>> THAT IS A VERY, VERY GOOD 
QUESTION.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS PROGRAMME 
IS FREE FOR US.
EVERY DAY A DIFFERENT TOPIC FOR 
TWO MONTHS A DIFFERENT TOP TICK 
EVERY DAY FOR TWO MONTHS AND 
WE'RE STILL GOING.
I THINK WHAT I HAVE TAKEN AWAY 
IS LIKE TELEMEDICINE, MEDIA 
FACT CHECKING, IT'S 
OVERWHELMING -- EXCUSE ME -- 
AND WHAT I REALLY APPRECIATE IS 
THE FOLLOWING DAY AFTER THE 
PRESENTATION, THEY PUT THE 
WHOLE POWER POINT ONLINE SO 
WHAT YOU CAN DO THEN IS GO 
[INAUDIBLE] AND REVIEW WHAT HAS 
BEEN TAUGHT BECAUSE WHAT THEY 
TEACH YOU IN THAT 45 MINUTES IS 
IMPOSSIBLE TO REMEMBER 
EVERYTHING.
ESPECIALLY IF THE TOPIC IS 
BRAND-NEW TO YOU SO YOU CAN 
REVIEW IT THE NEXT DAY.
WE STARTED WITH ABOUT 15 
PEOPLE, I THINK, AT THE 
BEGINNING OF APRIL.
AND NOW WE HAVE 75 ONLINE AND 
WE HAVE BREAK OUT SESSIONS AT 
THE END SO WE'RE WITH A SMALL 
GROUP AND IT IS AN EXCELLENT 
DISCUSSION.
I'M OVERWHELMED.
I CAN'T EXPRESS ENOUGH POSITIVE 
THING ABOUT THESE YOUNG PEOPLE 
AND THIS PROGRAMME.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S GREAT.
DID YOU KNOW HOW TO DO A VIDEO 
CALL THIS WELL WHEN YOU 
STARTED, JEAN?
OR IS THIS A RECENT LESSON 
ABOUT HOW TO FRAME YOURSELF?
I MAY HAVE A PARENT WHO JUST 
GIVES ME HIS FOREHEADS WHEN HE 
FACETIMES ME.
[LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, I WAS THERE THREE 
MONTHS AGO.
[LAUGHTER]
SO YOU SHOULD -- I DON'T KNOW 
YOUR MOTHER OR FATHER SHOULD 
JOIN CYBER SENIORS.
AND THE CAMARADERIE THAT WE 
HAVE ESTABLISHED WITH EACH 
OTHER IS AN ADDED BENEFIT.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S GREAT.
I WILL TELL HIM TO LOOK IT UP.
THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH.
IT IS A GREAT PROGRAMME AND SO 
WONDERFUL TO SEE YOUNG PEOPLE 
AND SENIORS WORKING TOGETHER AT 
A TIME WHEN EVERYBODY NEEDS A 
LITTLE EXTRA HELP.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Rosemary: WE'RE STANDING BY 
AND WAITING FOR OUR BRIEFING 
FROM FEDERAL CABINET MINISTERS 
AND OFFICIALS HAPPENING EARLIER 
TODAY.
BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, I DO WANT 
TO TALK ABOUT THE THIRD 
COVID-19 RELATED DEATH AMONGST 
MIGRANT WORKERS IN SOUTHWESTERN 
ONTARIO.
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF WORKERS 
WHO HAVE TESTED POSITIVE.
THE PROVINCE HAS ANNOUNCED A 
NEW PLAN FOR EXPANDED TESTING 
ON FARMS AND ALSO INTRODUCED 
EXPAND BENEFITS AND WORKER 
PROTECTIONS.
CERTAINLY THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT EARLY ON PONYING UP, 
I THINK, $50 MILLION TO TRY AND 
HELP THE QUARANTINE OF MANY OF 
THESE 60,000 OR SO MIGRANT 
WORKERS THAT COME FROM LATIN 
AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN TO 
HELP MOSTLY IN OUR FARMING 
INDUSTRY.
THE VAST MAJORITY COMING HERE 
TO ONTARIO AND THE IDEA WAS TO 
HELP THEM SELF-QUARANTINE FOR 
TWO WEEKS BEFORE STARTING WORK .
IN SPITE OF THAT, HUNDREDS HAVE 
END UP WITH COVID AND THREE, 
ALL FROM MEXICO, HAVE DIED.
MY NEXT GUEST IS THE MAYOR OF 
NORFOLK COUNTY WHERE THE MOST 
RECENT MIGRANT DEATH WAS 
REPORTED.
JOINING ME FROM PORT DOVER, 
ONTARIO IS CRYSTAL CHOPP.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> Rosemary: WHAT HAS BEEN YOUR 
REACTION TO THIS LATEST DEATH?
AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S SADNESS.
BUT IN RESPONSE TO THINGS THE 
CITY COULD DO OR THINGS THE 
CITY MIGHT NEED IN ORDER TO 
HELP -- TO HELP THESE FARMS.
>> WELL T DEATH HAS BEEN TRAGIC 
HERE IN NORFOLK COUNTY AND 
WE'VE SEEN THE OTHER TWO DEATHS 
AS WELL IN WINDSOR AND IT IS AN 
ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE 
FEDERAL AND PROVINCIAL 
PROGRAMME HAS FAILED THE 
WORKERS AND THIS DIDN'T JUST 
HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
YOU DIDN'T JUST HAVE 150 
WORKERS THAT CAME DOWN WITH 
THIS ILL 
NESS THAT QUAKELY.
-- ILLNESS THAT QUICKLY.
WHAT WE HAVE MAINTAINED FROM 
THE VERY BEGINNING IS THAT THE 
PROVINCE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 
NEED TO STEP UP IN THE SAME WAY 
THAT THE B.C. GOVERNMENT DID 
AND TAKE ON THE ENTIRE BOARDING 
PROCESS OF THE MIGRANT WORKERS 
AS THEY ARRIVE INTO CANADA.
I THINK THAT THEY SEE IT AS A 
FANTASTIC EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN 
BE DONE AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S 
INDIVIDUAL SELF-ISOLATION THAT 
ULTIMATELY IS THE BEST WAY TO 
PROTECT THE WORKERS.
I THINK SECONDLY, THAT THE 
WORKERS NEED TO HAVE THE SAME 
SERVICES PROVIDED TO THEM AS 
OTHER CANADIAN.
THEY ARRIVED HERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN OHIP NUMBER, 
THEY DON'T HAVE A DOCTOR.
OUR OWN MEDICAL OFFICER OF 
HEALTH BECAME THE PHYSICIAN FOR 
200 WORKERS AFTER THE 
QUARANTINE PROCESS.
AND I THINK WHEN AN OUTBREAK 
DOES HAPPEN, THAT 
MUNICIPALITIES NEED TO BE 
PROVIDED WITH THE RESOURCES TO 
BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT.
>> Rosemary: ONE OF THE THINGS 
THAT MANY MIGRANT ADVOCATES 
TALK ABOUT IS THE NEED FOR 
THESE PEOPLE COMING UP AND 
COMING UP FOR YEARS, YOU KNOW, 
WE DO THIS ON THE REGULARLY, 
FOR THEM TO BE MADE PERMANENT 
RESIDENTS SO THEY'RE NOT 
FEARFUL THAT ONCE THEIR JOB 
ENDS, THEY'RE DEPORTED HOME.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT IDEA?
DHAOUNG MIGHT ALSO HAVE A 
LONG-TERM -- WOULD BE A 
LONG-TERM SOLUTION?
>> YOU KNOW, I DON'T -- 
PERSONALLY I THINK THAT THERE 
IS A LOT OF OTHER STEPS THAT WE 
COULD TAKE BEFORE THAT THAT'S 
NECESSARILY THE ULTIMATE 
[INAUDIBLE] HERE.
CERTAINLY IN THE CONTEXT OF 
THEIR RESIDENCES, YOU KNOW, AND 
THESE CONGREGANT SETTINGS, WE 
KNOW THAT THIS VIRUS IS 
EXTREMELY CONTAGIOUS AND IT IS 
NOT FAULT OF THE FARMER AND 
THERE'S PROVINCIAL REGULATIONS 
IN THE PAST.
WE NEVER HAD A PANDEMIC.
WE NEVER HAD A TYPE OF 
CONTAGIOUS DISEASE PREVIOUSLY.
IT WILL BE LOOKING AT RULES 
MOVING FORWARD.
IT WILL BETTER PROTECT THEM IN 
THESE ENVIRONMENTS THAT THEY 
WORK IN.
>> Rosemary: HOW IMPORTANT ARE 
MIGRANT WORKERS, TEMPORARY 
FOREIGN WORKERS TO NORFOLK 
COUNTY?
>> WE BRING IN MORE MIGRANT 
WORKERS THAN ANY OTHER 
MUNICIPALITY IN THE PROVINCE 
AND WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT IN, I 
BELIEVE, OVER 3500 WORKERS AND 
I BELIEVE MORE THAN 1500 STILL 
DUE TO ARRIVE.
THEY ARE ESSENTIAL FOR FOOD 
PRODUCTION AND SECURITY FOR ALL 
CANADIANS.
>> Rosemary: IS IT -- IS THERE 
NOT ENOUGH LABOUR IN YOUR PART 
OF THE COUNTRY?
THESE PEOPLE ARE PARTICULARLY 
SKILLED AT IT.
IS IT ALL THESE DIFFERENT 
THINGS?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THEY ARE SKILLED.
I THINK -- YOU KNOW, I HATE TO 
SAY IT BUT I THINK IT IS NOT 
THE TYPE OF LABOUR THAT A LOT 
OF CANADIANS WANT TO DO AND I 
THINK OUR MIGRANT WORKERS COME 
HERE AND THEY WORK HARD AND TO 
PROVIDE A LIFE FOR THEIR 
FAMILIES BACK HOME.
>> Rosemary: WHAT ARE FARMERS 
TELLING YOU THAT THEY NEED TO 
MAKE SURE THAT THEIR WORKERS 
ARE BETTER CARED FOR, BETTER 
PROTECTED.
SOME OF IT OBVIOUSLY THE ONUS 
IS ON THEM.
FOR INSTANCE, THERE HAVE BEEN 
NOW JUST VIRTUAL INSPECTIONS 
WITH FARMS AND BUNKING HOUSES.
BUT WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WOULD 
BE HELPFUL TO EMPLOYERS?
>> Caller: I THINK PART OF THE 
CHALLENGE WITH THE SCREENING 
PROCESS, AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING 
THE BUY-IN FROM THE 
STAKEHOLDERS THAT PERHAPS WAS 
EXPECTED FROM THE WORKERS AND 
FROM THE FARMERS.
SO, THE WORKERS, I THINK THAT 
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PUTTING -- 
THESE PAY PROTECTIONS HAVE BEEN 
IN PLACE FROM THE BEGINNING.
BUT THE LATEST MOVE BY THE 
PROVINCE IS A HELPFUL STEP 
TRYING TO CRACK DOWN ON 
LOOPHOLES THAT FARMERS WEREN'T 
NECESSARILY COMPLYING.
BY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE 
NEEDS TO BE A PLAN AS WELL FOR 
THE FARMERS THAT IF THEY DO 
HAVE A SET THAT TESTS POSITIVE, 
WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE 
GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO THEM.
TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THOSE 
WORKERS.
AGAIN, THE QUICKEST WAY TO BE 
ABLE TO RESUME THAT WORK IS 
GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 
QUARANTINING IN ISOLATION.
AND THEY'LL DON'T BOUNCE BACK 
AND FORTH BETWEEN MEMBERS.
>> Rosemary: I KNOW YOU MOVED 
INTO PHASE TWO.
IT'S WINDSOR-ESSEX THAT WAS 
STUCK IN PHASE ONE IN THIS 
PROVINCE RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE READY 
FOR THAT PHASE IN SPITE OF 
WHAT'S HAPPENING ON FARMS AND 
IN GREENHOUSES?
>> THE FARM OUTBREAK IN 
SCOTLAND, OBVIOUSLY MAYOR 
HEWITT AND I WERE DISAPPOINTED 
WHEN WE MOVED INTO PHASE TWO IN 
THE BEGINNING.
THE FARM OUTBREAKS HAVE -- I 
CAN'T SPEAK FOR WINDSOR-ESSEX, 
BUT HERE IS HALDEMAN NORFOLK, 
THEY HAVE BEEN LARGELY 
CONTAINED TO THE FARMS.
AND SO THAT ELEMENT THAT I 
THINK OUR PUBLIC HEALTH TEAM 
HERE HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
YOU KNOW, WITH IMMEDIATELY 
GETTING INTO THAT CONTACT 
TRACING AND SO ON.
WHY WOULD WINDSOR-ESSEX, THEY 
BRING IN LESS FARM WORKERS THAN 
WE DO, AND THIS IS NOT A 
MEDICAL OFFICER OF HEALTH IN 
ANY WAYS.
WE'VE HAD ONE OUTBREAK AND 
THEY'VE HAD 26.
AND OUR MEDICAL OFFICER OF 
HEALTH HAS HAD MORE STRICT 
RULES THAN ANY OTHER 
MUNICIPALITY.
I THINK IT IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, 
IT IS SHOWN THAT IT STOPS 
ADDITIONAL OUT BREAKS HERE BY 
MINIMIZING THE NUMBER OF 
WORKERS THAT ARE QUARANTINED 
TOGETHER IN THAT INITIAL 
QUARANTINE PERIOD WHEN THEY 
ARRIVED BECAUSE WITH A MAXIMUM 
OF THREE WORKERS QUARANTINED 
TOGETHER, IF YOU CAN HAVE ONE 
WORKER THAT BECOMES ILL, YOU 
HAVE ONLY TWO OTHERS THAT YOU 
NEED TO SEPARATE AS OPPOSED TO 
A FURTHER LARGER OUTBREAK THAT 
WE'RE SEEING IN OTHER AREAS.
>> Rosemary: REALLY GOOD 
POINTS, MAYOR.
REALLY NICE TO MEET YOU.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TIME 
FOR US TODAY.
KRISTAL CROPP OF NORFOLK COUNTY.
OFFICIALS ARE GIVING A RESPONSE 
TO COVID-19.
THIS, OF COURSE, DR. TERESA TAM.
>> OVER THE PAST WEEK, AN 
AVERAGE OF 38,000 PEOPLE WERE 
TESTED DAILY WITH 1% TESTING 
POSITIVE.
THESE NUMBERS CHANGE QUICKLY.
AND ARE UPDATED DAILY AND 
EVENINGINGS ON 
CANADA.CA/CORONAVIRUS.
ACHIEVING AND MAINTAINING LOWER 
LEVELS OF COVID-19 IS VERY 
IMPORTANT FOR MINIMIZING 
ILLNESS AND DEATHS.
BUT IT IS ALSO NECESSARY TO 
ALLOW PUBLIC HEALTH ACTIONS TO 
BRING THE EPIDEMIC UNDER 
CONTROL.
IF WE THINK ABOUT CASES AND 
CLUSTERS LIKE SMALL FIRES AND 
PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES AS 
THE FIREFIGHTERS, THEN CONTACT 
TRACING AND QUARANTINE IS LIKE 
THE WATER NEEDED TO EXTINGUISH 
THE BLAZE.
THE MORE FIRES THERE ARE TO PUT 
OUT, THE GREATER THE RISK THAT 
PUBLIC HEALTH RESPOUSERS WILL 
BE OVERWHELMED TRYING TO GET TO 
ALL THE FIRES BEFORE THE WIND 
SHIFTS AND UNCONTROLLABLE BLAZE.
WHEN EPIDEMIC GROWTH IS 
INCREASING EXPONENTIALLY AS IT 
DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 
COVID-19 EPIDEMIC IN CANADA, 
THERE WERE TOO MANY FIRES THAT 
QUICKLY MERGED INTO THE BIG 
BLAZE.
THIS IS WHY CLOSURE OF SOCIAL 
AND ECONOMIC SPACES WAS 
REQUIRED.
MUCH LIKE A COUNTRIWIDE FIRE 
BAN TO BRING THE EPIDEMIC UNDER 
CONTROL AND NOT OVERWHELM THE 
HEALTH SYSTEM.
THANKS TO THE COLLECTIVE 
EFFORTS OF ALL CANADIANS AND 
WHAT MUST BE OUR BIGGEST BUCKET 
BRIGADE TO DATE.
THE BIG FIRE IS OUT AND LOCAL 
FIREFIGHTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY 
CAN NOW DO WHAT THEY DO BEST.
CASE INVESTIGATION AND CONTACT 
TRACING TO CONTROL THE SMALLER 
FIRES.
COVID-19 CASE INVESTIGATION 
SAID LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH 
EXPERTS.
THEY WILL BE CONDUCTING 
INVESTIGATIONS TO UNDERSTAND 
HOW PEOPLE BECOME INFECTED AND 
WHO THEY MIGHT HAVE PASSED 
INFECTION TO.
CONTACT TRACING COMES NEXT AND 
INVOLVES TRACKING DOWN EVERY 
PERSON WHO MAY HAVE BEEN 
EXPOSED TO THE CASE.
EITHER DIRECTLY THROUGH CLOSE 
CONTACT OR INDIRECTLY IN THE 
SHARED SPACE LIKE A HOME OR 
WORKPLACE.
THE WORK DOESN'T STOP THERE.
PEOPLE IDENTIFIED AS HAVING 
COVID-19 NEED TO BE PROVIDED 
WITH EDUCATION AND SUPPORT ON 
HOW TO SELF-ISOLATE AND NOT 
EXPOSE OTHERS.
SIMILARLY, CONTACTS WHICH MAY 
-- SIMILARLY, CONTACTS WHICH 
MAY BE FEW OR MANY NEED TO BE 
PROVIDED WITH INFORMATION AND 
SUPPORT TO QUARANTINE AND 
MONITOR FOR SYMPTOMS.
FOLLOW-UPS NEED TO CONTINUE FOR 
WEEKS UNTIL PEOPLE AND THEIR 
CONTACTS NO LONGER POSE A RISK 
OR SPREAD TO OTHERS.
THE SUCCESS OF CASE FINDING AND 
CONTACT TRACING IS IN THE SPEED 
AND COMPLETENESS OF WHICH IT IS 
DONE.
THE LESS CASE AND THE FEWER 
CONTACTS PER CASE, THE FACTOR 
AND MORE COMPLETELY NEW FIRES 
CAN BE EXTINGUISHED.
THAT IS WHERE CANADIANS COME IN.
BY KEEPING UP PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING AND GOOD HYGIENIC 
PRACTICES AND AVOIDING IS HIGH 
RISK EXPOSURE SETTING LIKE 
CLOSED SPACES, CROWDED PLACES 
AND CLOSED CONTACT SITUATIONS, 
WE CAN STOP NEW FIRES FROM 
STARTING AS WE RE-OPEN.
LIMITING THE NUMBER OF CONTACTS 
THAT EACH HALF IS ALSO 
IMPORTANT AS IT MEANS LESS FUEL 
FOR ANY FIRES THAT DO START.
THIS WILL ALLOW PUBLIC HEALTH 
AND RAPIDLY COMPLETE CONTACT 
TRACING AND KEEP COVID-19 UNDER 
CONTROL.
CANADA NEEDS ALL THE VOLUNTEER 
COVID-19 FIREFIGHTERS WE CAN 
GET.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, DR. TAM 
DR. NAJOO?
>> [Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
THANK YOU.
AND GOOD AFTERNOON.
TODAY A FEW WOR ON OBTAINING 
EPIDEMIC CONTROL.
BUT FIRST, THE LATEST COVID-19 
NUMBERS IN CANADA.
THERE'S BEEN 102,242 CONFIRMED 
CASES, INCLUDING 8,848 DEATHS.
AND 64% HAVE RECOVERED.
LAB ACROSS CANADA HAVE TESTED 
OVER 2,518,650 PEOPLE FOR 
COVID-19 TO DATE.
OVER THE PAST WEEK, AN AVERAGE 
OF 38,000 PEOPLE WERE TESTED 
DAILY WITH 1% TESTING POSITIVE.
THESE NUMBERS CHANGE QUICKLY 
AND ARE UPDATED DAILY IN THE 
EVENINGINGS ON 
CANADA.CA/CORONAVIRUS.
ACHIEVING AND MAINTAINING LOW 
LEVELS OF COVID-19 ACTIVITY IS 
OBVIOUSLY [INAUDIBLE] ILLNESS 
AND DEATH.
BUT IT IS ALSO NECESSARY TO 
ALLOW PUBLIC HEALTH ACTION TO 
BRING THE EPIDEMIC UNDER 
CONTROL.
IF WE THINK ABOUT CASE AND 
CLUSTERS LIKE SMALL FIRES AND 
PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES AS 
THE FIREFIGHTERS, THEN CONTACT 
TRACING AND QUARANTINE IS THE 
WATER NEEDED TO EXTINGUISH THE 
BLAZE.
THE MORE FIRES THERE ARE TO PUT 
OUT, THE GREATER THE RISK THE 
PUBLIC HEALTH RESOURCES WILL BE 
OVERWHELMED TRYING TO GET TO 
ALL THE FIRES BEFORE THE WIND 
SHIFTS AND STARTS AN 
UNCONTROLLABLE BLAZE.
WHEN EPIDEMIC GROWTH WAS 
INCREASING THERE WERE TOO MANY 
LITTLE FIRES THAT QUICKLY 
MERGED INTO A BIG BLAZE.
THIS IS WHY CLOSURE OF SOCIO 
AND ECONOMIC SPACES WERE 
REQUIRED.
MUCH LIKE A COUNTRYWIDE FIRE 
BAN TO BRING THE EPIDEMIC UNDER 
CONTROL AND TO NOT OVERWHELM 
THE HEALTH SYSTEM.
THANKS TO THE COLLECTIVE 
EFFORTS OF ALL CANADIANS, THE 
BIG FIRE IS OUT AND LOCAL 
PUBLIC HEALTH FIREFIGHTERS 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY CAN NOW DO 
WHAT THEY DO BEST.
CASE INVESTIGATION AND CONTACT 
TRACING TO CONTROL THIS T 
SMALLEST FIRES.
COVID-19 CASE INVESTIGATIONS 
INVOLVES LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH 
EXPERTS, IDENTIFYING CASES 
THROUGH LABORATORY TESTING AND 
CONDUCTING EXPOSURE 
INVESTIGATIONS TO UNDERSTAND 
HOW PEOPLE BECAME INFECTED AND 
WHO THEY MAY HAVE PASSED THE 
INFECTION TO.
CONTACT TRACING COMES NEXT AND 
INVOLVES TRACKING DOWN EVERY 
PERSON WHO MAY HAVE BEEN 
EXPOSED TO THE CASE.
EITHER DIRECTLY THROUGH CLOSE 
CONTACT OR INDIRECTLY IN A 
SHARED SPACE LIKE A HOME OR 
WORKPLACE.
THE WORK DOESN'T STOP THERE.
PEOPLE IDENTIFIED AS HAVING 
COVID-19 NEED TO BE PROVIDED 
WITH EDUCATION AND SUPPORT ON 
HOW TO SELF-ISOLATE AND NOT 
EXPOSE OTHERS.
SIMILARLY S CONTACTS WHICH MAY 
BE FEW OR MANY NEED TO BE 
PROVIDED WITH INFORMATION AND 
SUPPORT TO QUARANTINE AND 
MONITOR FOR SYMPTOMS.
PUBLIC HEALTH FOLLOW-UP NEED TO 
BE DONE TO PRESTRENLT SPREAD TO 
OTHERS.
THE SUCCESS OF CASE FINDING AND 
CONTACT TRACING IS IN THE SPEED 
AND COMPLETENESS WITH WHICH IT 
IS DONE.
THE FASTER AND THE MORE 
COMPLETELY NEW FIRES CAN BE 
EXTINGUISHED.
THAT'S WHERE CANADIANS COME IN.
BY KEEPING UP PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING AND GOOD HYGIENE 
PRACTICES AND AVOIDING CLOSED 
SPACES, CROWDED SPACES AND 
CLOSE CONTACT SITUATIONS, WE 
CAN STOP NEW VIRUS FROM 
STARTING AS WE RE-OPEN.
THAT'S WHERE CANADIANS COME IN.
BY KEEPING UP PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING AND GOOD HYGIENE 
PRACTICES AND AVOIDING CLOSED 
SPACES, CROWDED SPACES AND 
CLOSE CONTACT SITUATIONS, WE 
CAN STOP NEW VIRUS FROM 
STARTING AS WE RE-OPEN.
LIMITING THE NUMBER OF CONTACTS 
THAT WE EACH HAVE IS ALSO 
IMPORTANT AS IT MEANS LESS FUEL 
FOR ANY FIRES THAT DO START.
THIS WILL RAPIDLY COMPLETE 
CONTACT TRACING AND KEEP 
COVID-19 UNDER CONTROL.
CANADA NEEDS ALL THE VOLUNTEER 
COVID-19 FIREFIGHTERS WE CAN 
GET AND SMOTHER THE EMBERS BY 
KEEPING PUBLIC HEALTH PRACTICES 
UP AND YOUR NUMBER OF CONTACTS 
DOWN.
PUBLIC HEALTH THANKS YOU.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, DR. NJOO.
NOW TO FIRST MINISTER HAJDU.
>> [Speaking French].
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: GOOD 
AFTERNOON.
I'M HERE TODAY WITH GOOD NEWS.
THE INTERPRETER REGRETS BUT 
UNFORTUNATELY THE QUALITY OF 
SOUND IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR 
INTERPRETATION.
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: IN 
MARCH, WE LAUNCHED FUNDING FOR 
100 RESEARCH PROJECTS.
THESE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY 
SHOWING RESULTS.
THE INTERPRETER IS REGRETS THAT 
THE SOUND IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
>> RESEARCHERS AT THE 
UNIVERSITY OF SASKATCHEWAN HAVE 
SHOWN POSITIVE RESULTS FROM THE 
PRECLINICAL TESTING OF THEIR 
COVID-19 VACCINE CANDIDATES, 
SETTING THE STAGE FOR CLINICAL 
TRIAL OF THIS VACCINE IN HUMANS 
THIS FALL.
TODAY WE ARE ANNOUNCING FUNDING 
FOR 139 NEW AND ONGOING 
RESEARCH PROJECTS.
THESE PROJECTS WILL BE 
SUPPORTED WITH FUNDING OF 109 
MILLION FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF 
CANADA THROUGH THE CANADIAN 
INSTITUTE OF HEALTH RESEARCH 
AND THE INTERNATIONAL 
DEVELOPMENT RESEARCH CENTRE AND 
FROM THE RESEARCH FUNDING 
AGENCIES OF B.C., ALBERTA, 
SASKATCHEWAN AND NOVA SCOTIA.
CANADIAN CAN BE PROUD THAT THE 
SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY HAS 
RESPONDED SO RAPIDLY.
WHILE THE PROCESS FOR MOST 
COMPETITIONS TAKE MANY MONTHS, 
IN THIS CASE ITSELF WAS DONE IN 
A MATTER OF WEEKS AND THERE 
WERE NEARLY 1500 APPLICATIONS.
I WANT TO THANK AND 
CONGRATULATE THE RESEARCHERS 
WHO WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN 
DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL 
CLINICAL TRIALS.
SCALING UP PROMISING EXISTING 
PROJECTS THAT WILL INCREASE OUR 
UNDERSTANDING OF THE EFFICACY 
OF VACCINES, THERAPEUTICS, 
CLINICAL PRACTICES AND PUBLIC 
HEALTH APPROACHES TO COVID-19.
THEIR WORK WILL HELP ACCELERATE 
THE AVAILABILITY OF 
HIGH-QUALITY AND REALTIME 
EVIDENCE THAT CAN SUPPORT 
CANADA'S RAPID HE RESPONSIBLE 
TO THE GLOBAL PANDEMIC IN OTHER 
WORDS TO BETTER PROTECT, TREAT 
AND MANAGE COVID-19.
FOR EXAMPLE, RESEARCHERS AT THE 
CANADIAN BLOOD SERVICES WILL 
STUDY THE ANTIBODIES OF PEOPLE 
WHO HAVE RECOVERED FROM 
COVID-19 TO DETERMINE AND 
BETTER UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL OF 
IMMUNITIES THEY PROVIDE AGAINST 
REINFECTION.
AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MANITOBA, 
DR. RYAN ZARACHENS, CAN I AND 
HIS TEAM WILL DETERMINE THE 
EFFECTIVENESS OF ANTI 
COAGULANTS IN TREATING THE 
COVID-19.
AND A NASAL SPRAY THAT COULD 
PREVENT INFECTION IN HEALTH 
CARE WORKERS AND OTHERS AT 
HIGHER RISK OF EXPOSURE TO THE 
COVID-19 VIRUS.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS 
BEFORE.
BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO SAY 
IT AGAIN.
THE WORK OF THESE RESEARCHERS 
IS IMMENSELY IMPORTANT TO OUR 
COUNTRY, AND INDEED TO THE 
WORLD, BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE 
THEY'RE GATHERING WILL INFORM 
CLINICAL AND PUBLIC HEALTH 
RESPONSES, DECISION MAKING AND 
PLANNING HERE IN OUR COUNTRY 
AND ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
FINALLY, I WANT TO THANK THE 
PROVINCIAL PARTNERS FOR THEIR 
CONTRIBUTION TO THIS INVESTMENT.
WE KNOW THE COLLABORATION IS 
WHAT'S GETTING THROUGHS THIS 
PANDEMIC IN OUR COUNTRY AND WE 
KNOW THAT WE CAN RESPOND MORE 
EFFICIENTLY TO THE GLOBAL 
HEALTH EMERGENCY WHEN WE WORK 
TOGETHER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, MINISTER HAJDU.
MINISTER QUALTROUGH?
HELLO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YES, WE CAN.
>> EXCELLENT.
SORRY.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
WE KNOW THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE 
FACING A SERIOUS SET OF 
CHALLENGE DURING THIS PANDEMIC.
BE IT INTERRUPTED STUDY, 
REDUCED WORK OPPORTUNITIES OR 
DISRUPTIONS TO THEIR 
INTERNSHIPS AND CO-OP PLANS.
THAT IS WHY IN APRIL WE 
ANNOUNCED A $9 BILLION 
INVESTMENT IN STUDENTS THAT 
INCLUDED TEMPORARY INCOME 
SUPPORT THROUGH THE CANADA 
EMERGENCY STUDENT BENEFIT TO 
HELP STUDENTS WHO MIGHT HAVE 
SEEN THEIR SUMMER JOB PROSPECTS 
DISAPPEAR DUE TO THE PANDEMIC.
WE ALSO ANNOUNCED INCREASES TO 
CANADA STUDENT GRANTS FOR 
ELIGIBLE FULL-TIME AND 
PART-TIME STUDENTS, BROADER 
ELGABILITY FOR STUDENT 
FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE BY 
REMOVING EXPECT TANLT STUDENT 
AND SPOUSES CONTRIBUTION IN 
20220-201 AND RAISING THE MAX 
MUMING WEEKLY ALLOWANCE THAT 
CAN BE PROVIDED TO A STUDENT AS 
WELL AS A SIX-MONTH 
INTEREST-FREE MORATORIUM ON 
CANADA STUDENT LOAN PAYMENTS.
[Speaking French] 
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: THE 
INTERPRETER REGRETS BUT THE 
SOUND QUALITY DOES NOT PERMIT 
AN INTERPRETATION.
>> WE ARE FURTHER BOLSTERING 
OUR INVESTMENT BY $34 MILLION 
TO HELP CREATE MORE THAN 3500 
NEW JOB PLACEMENTS AND 
INTERNSHIPS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE IN 
HIGH-DEMAND SECTORS AND SECTORS 
IN RECOVERY MODE, FOCUSING IN 
PARTICULAR ON YOUTH WHO FACE 
BARRIERS TO EMPLOYMENT.
WE ARE ALSO AUGMENTING OUR 
INVESTMENT IN THE WORKPLACEMENT 
PROGRAMME.
AN ADDITIONAL $186 MILLION WILL 
CREATE 20,000 JOB PLACEMENTS 
FOR POST SECONDARY STUDENTS IN 
THEIR FIELD OF STUDY.
WE HAVE APPROVED 70,000 CANADA 
SUMMER JOBS THIS YEAR AND ARE 
ANNOUNCING THE CREATION OF 
10,000 MORE BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW 
TOUGH THE JOB MARKET IS FOR 
YOUNG CANADIANS.
THIS NEW INVESTMENT OF $61.7 
MILLION WILL GET MORE EMPLOYERS 
THROUGH THE DOOR, BRINGING THE 
TOTAL OF C.S.J. JOBS TO 80,000 
JOB UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2021.
WE KNOW FROM PREVIOUS ECONOMIC 
DOWNTURNS THAT STUDENTS AND 
YOUTH ARE THE LAST TO RECOVER 
AND IN ORDER TO AVOID 
CONSEQUENCES DOWN THE ROAD, 
WE'RE CHOOSING TO INVEST IN 
THEM NOW.
[Speaking French] 
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: THE 
INTERPRETER REGRETS YET AGAIN 
SHE WILL NOT INTERPRET THE 
MINISTER BECAUSE THE SOUND IS 
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
>> THANK YOU.
MERCI.
>> THANK YOU, MINISTER 
QUALTROUGH.
MINISTER QUALTROUGH, JUST SO 
YOU KNOW, THE MICROPHONE IS A 
LITTLE BIT CLOSE TO YOUR MOUTH 
SO IT IS CAUSING A POPPING FOR 
INTERPRETATION.
SO, JUST REMEMBER WHEN ANSWERS 
AND QUESTIONS COMMENCE, IF YOU 
COULD MOVE IT OUT OF THE WAY, 
THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
HELLO, EVERYONE.
AS CANADA'S MINISTER OF 
DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION IN 
YOUTH, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT 
COVID-19 HAS IMPACTED EVERY 
SEGMENT OF OUR SOCIETY AND 
CANADA'S YOUTH ARE NO EXCEPTION.
POST-SECONDARY STUDENTS AND 
RECENT GRADUATES ARE FACING 
UNIQUE AND UNPRECEDENTED 
CHALLENGES.
THE PANDEMIC HAS IMPACTED THEIR 
STUDIES, THEIR ABILITY TO 
SECURE AND RETAIN JOBS, PAY 
BILLS AND TO SAVE FOR SCHOOL IN 
THE FALL.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: AT 
THE SAME TIME, WE KNOW THAT 
ALMOST HALF OF NOT FOR PROFITS 
ARE [INAUDIBLE] FIND VOLUNTEERS 
WHEN THE NEED FOR THEIR 
SERVICES HAS CAUSED INJURIES 
AND THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO 
PROVIDE SERVICES TO THEIR 
COMMUNITIES.
AND SO WE CREATED THE CANADA 
STUDENT SERVICE GRANTS.
>> ANNOUNCE THIS GRANT WILL 
PROVIDE BETWEEN $1,000 AND 
$5,000 TO POST-SECONDARY 
STUDENTS AND RECENT GRADUATES 
WHO PARTICIPATE IN ELIGIBLE 
VOLUNTEER SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES 
FROM TODAY UNTIL OCTOBER 31.
THE GREATER THE NUMBER OF HOURS 
VOLUNTEERED THE GREATER THE 
GRANT AMOUNT UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 
$5,000.
POST SECONDARY STUDENTS THE, 
RECENT GRADUATES AND 
NOT-FOR-PROFITS WILL COME 
TOGETHER ON THE I WANT TO HELP 
PORTAL.
[Speaking French] 
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: TO 
BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE GRANT, 
STUDENTS MUST BE EITHER RECENT 
GRADUATES OR ENROLL IN A POST 
SECONDARY EDUCATION PROGRAMME 
LEADING TO A DEGREE, DIPLOMA OR 
CERTIFICATE.
STUDENTS ARE PASSIONATE, 
ENGAGED AND READY TO MAKE A 
DIFFERENCE.
AND WE KNOW THEY WANT TO HELP 
MAKE A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE IN 
THEIR COMMUNITIES.
>> OPPORTUNITIES RANGE FROM 
BEING AN ONLINE TUTOR WITH 
PATHWAY TO EDUCATION, BEING A 
MENTOR WITH [Speaking French], 
ALSO KNOWN AS BIG BROTHERS AND 
SISTERS, ARE HELPING KIDS 
THRONER CODE WITH KIDS CODE.
THESE ARE JUST A FRACTION OF 
THE OVER 20,000 OPPORTUNITIES 
AVAILABLE ON THE I WANT TO HELP 
PLATFORM AS OF TODAY.
AS THE PRIME MINISTER HAS SAID, 
YOUTH ARE NOT ONLY THE LEADERS 
OF TOMORROW, THEY ARE THE 
LEADERS OF TODAY.
MORE THAN EVER, CANADIANS NEED 
THEIR BOLD IDEAS, INNOVATIVE 
SOLUTIONS AND THEIR CARING 
HEARTS.
I ENCOURAGE ALL STUDENT AND 
RECENT GRADUATES TO VISIT THE I 
WANT TO HELP PLATFORM AT 
CANADA.CA/IWANTTOHELP.
[Speaking French] 
THANK YOU.
MERCI.
AND WE WILL NOW TAKE QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU, MINISTERS.
AS USUAL, WE'RE GOING TO START 
THE PHONE WITH THREE QUESTIONS.
ONE QUESTION, ONE FOLLOW-UP AND 
THEN TURN TO THE ROOM.
OPERATOR, OVER TO YOU.
>> Operator: THANK YOU.
MERCI.
OUR FIRST QUESTION, [Speaking 
French].
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
[Speaking French]
>> Reporter: [Speaking French].
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: MY 
QUESTION IS FOR DR. NJOO.
AND PERHAPS ALSO FOR MINISTER 
HAJDU.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.
THE QUEBEC GOVERNMENT DECIDED 
THAT IT WOULD NO LONGER PUBLISH 
DATA ON COVID-19.
THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE DAILY 
UPDATES.
AS IS THE CASE RIGHT NOW.
THEY WOULD DO WEEKLY UPDATES 
INSTEAD.
HOWEVER, THERE IS STILL A LOT 
OF CASES THERE.
AND THAT IS WHERE THE EPICENTER 
OF THE CRISIS IS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS 
REGARDING THIS?
>> [Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
THIS IS DR. NJOO.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO 
KEEP TRACK OF DATA.
WE NEED TO COLLECT EVERYTHING 
IN A DATABASE.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO SHARE 
THIS INFORMATION WITH THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SO THAT WE 
CAN HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT IS 
HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE 
COUNTRY.
REGARDING THE PROVINCE OF 
QUEBEC, WELL, THAT'S UP TO 
PUBLIC HEALTH THERE TO DECIDE 
THE BEST WAY TO DISSEMINATE 
INFORMATION.
I THINK THAT DATA INFORMATION 
IS GENERALLY WELL-SHARED.
BUT THE PUBLIC HEALTH 
AUTHORITIES OF QUEBEC ARE GOING 
TO HAVE TO DETERMINE THE BEST 
WAY TO PUBLISH INFORMATION TO 
THE GENERAL POPULATION.
I AGREE WITH.
DR. NJOO.
YOU MAY HAVE A FOLLOW-UP 
QUESTION, PLEASE.
>> Reporter: [Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: IS 
THERE NOT A RISK THAT BECAUSE 
WE WON'T BE GETTING DAILY 
UPDATES, THAT QUEBECERS WILL BE 
LESS CAREFUL REGARDING COVID-19 
AND THERE MAY BE MORE 
SIGNIFICANT SPREAD.
ANSWER -- THANK YOU FOR THE 
QUESTION.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO 
CONTINUE TO RAISE AWARENESS 
WITH THE GENERAL POPULATION 
WITH THE BEST PRACTICES AND THE 
PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES.
THIS IS WHAT WE ALWAYS 
HIGHLIGHT TO MAINTAIN PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING, APPROPRIATE 
HYGIENE, WASH YOUR HANDS, WEAR 
A MASK.
IF IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN 
PHYSICAL DISTANCING, THESE ARE 
ALL THINGS FONTER HIGHLIGHT.
I THINK -- WELL, I LISTEN TO 
ADS ON THE RADIO AND THE QUEBEC 
GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS TRYING TO 
RAISE AWARENESS WITHIN ITS 
POPULATION.
NOW REGARDING DATA ON 
EPIDEMIOLOGY AND WHAT'S GOING 
ON, I CAN'T COMMENT 
SPECIFICALLY, BUT I'M SURE THAT 
IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT 
THREAD, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN THAT 
THE PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITY OF 
QUEBEC WILL HOLD A PRESS 
CONFERENCE REGARDING THIS 
SPECIFICALLY OR THEY WILL 
PUBLISH THE DATA IF THERE IS 
ANOTHER SPREAD IN MONTREAL, FOR 
EXAMPLE.
I THINK HAVING A WEEKLY UPDATE 
-- WELL, IF THERE IS NOT A LOT 
OF CHANGE, WELL THEN IT CAN BE 
FINE IF THERE IS NOTHING 
CONCERNING.
I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH 
AUTHORITY IN QUEBEC WILL MAKE 
ALL THIS INFORMATION PUBLIC.
>> THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT ARE 
WE WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER 
QUEBEC, YOU KNOW, IS ONLY 
GIVING INFORMATION ONCE A WEEK.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, FIRST 
OF ALL, IS THAT ALL OF THE GOOD 
PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES 
CONTINUING TO UNDERLINE, TO 
EMPHASIZE, TO EDUCATE AND TO 
SENSITIZE THE POPULATION TO 
WHAT THEY SHOULD BE CONTINUING 
TO PRACTICE, WHICH IS A SOCIAL 
DISTANCING OF TWO METRES AND 
HAND HYGIENE, AND STAYING HOME 
WHEN YOU'RE SICK, MAYBE WEARING 
A FACE COVERING OR MASK IN 
PUBLIC WHEN YOU'RE UNABLE TO 
MAINTAIN A TWO-METRE DISTANCE.
THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT THINGS 
TO DON'T DO T. CERTAINLY I HAVE 
SEEN MYSELF IN RADIO SPOTS IN 
WHICH THEY CONTINUE TO TELL THE 
NAUBL THESE ARE IMPORTANT 
MEASURES TO CONTINUE TO DO.
WITH RESPECT TO THE DATA, 
CERTAINLY MY UNDERSTANDING IS 
THAT IT'S ALL RIGHT TO GIVE THE 
DATA ON A REGULAR BASIS, MAYBE 
ONCE WEEKLY.
IF THERE WAS A HOTSPOT OR 
SOMETHING AN UNUSUAL, AN 
OUTBREAK IN MONTREAL OR SOME 
OTHER SPOT, I'M SURE THAT THE 
OFFICIALS OF QUEBEC WILL BE 
TRANSPARENT AND HAVE A SPECIAL 
PRESS CONFERENCE OR DISSEMINATE 
THE INFORMATION IN THE PUBLIC 
IF IT WAS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION.
THANK YOU.
>> OPERATOR, NEXT QUESTION, 
PLEASE.
>> Operator: THANK YOU.
MERCI.
OUR NEXT QUESTION, LAUREN 
GARDINER WITH POLITICO.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
MS. GARDINER, PLEASE UNMUTE 
YOUR LINE.
>> JUST GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT 
QUESTION, OPERATOR, PLEASE.
>> Operator: THANK YOU.
MERCI.
OUR NEXT QUESTION, RADIO-CANADA.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> Reporter: [Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
HELLO.
TODAY WE ASKED THE QUESTION TO 
THE PRIME MINISTER REGARDING 
THE HIGH NUMBER OF DEATHS IN 
LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES IN 
THE COUNTRY.
THINGS ARE VERY BAD AND HE 
MENTIONED PERHAPS HAVING 
NATIONAL STANDARDS.
WHAT ELEMENT SHOULD BE A PART 
OF THESE STANDARDS.
HOW CAN WE DO BETTER IN THESE 
LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES IF 
THERE ARE NEW CASES?
ANSWER -- THANK YOU.
THIS IS DR. NJOO HERE.
AND WE CAN SEE IF MINISTER 
HAJDU HAS ANYTHING TO ADD.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE 
WITH PREVENTION OF INFECTION, 
THERE WERE PROBLEMS IN 
LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES IN 
THE COUNTRY AND THIS IS A 
NATIONAL TRAGEDY.
WE NEED TO DO MORE TO PROTECT 
THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR 
SENIORS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
AND IN ALL OF THE PROVINCES AND 
TERRITORIES, WE HAVE FOLLOWED 
GUIDELINE TO PROTECT RESIDENT 
AND STAFF, FOR EXAMPLE, WORKERS 
CAN ONLY WORK IN ONE FACILITY 
INSTEAD OF WORKING IN MULTIPLE 
LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES.
THIS IS A MEASURE THAT WE CAN 
PUT IN PLACE.
ALSO SCREENING OF STAFF AND 
VISITORS WHO WANT TO GO IN TO 
THESE LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES.
AND USING HAND SANITIZER WHEN 
ARISING.
THESE ARE ALL MEASURES THAT CAN 
BE PUT IN PLACE, FOR EXAMPLE AS 
WELL SEPARATING SICK RESIDENTS 
FROM OTHER RESIDENTS WHO AREN'T 
SICK.
THESE ARE GOOD.
THEY RAT THE FOUNDATION.
BUT ALL PROVINCES AND 
TERRITORIES WILL LIKELY CREATE 
THEIR OWN GUIDELINES, THEIR OWN 
STANDARDS.
NATIONALLY, I THINK FOLLOWING 
PUBLIC HEALTH GUIDELINES FOR 
PREVENTION WILL BE AT THE HEART 
OF ALL THIS.
THANK YOU.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION?
>> Rosemary: OK.
IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE 
WATCHING THIS PRESS CONFERENCE, 
YOU CAN DO SO ON OUR WEBSITE, 
cbc.ca.
A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE ABOUT 
QUEBEC'S DECISION TO MOVE AWAY 
FROM DAILY UPDATES AND WILL 
ONLY DO IT NOW ON A WEEKLY 
BASTION AND HAVE COME UNDER 
SOME CRITICISM FOR IT AND THE 
PRIME MINISTER WAS ASKED ABOUT 
IT AS WELL AND ASKING THE 
PREMIER TO RECONSIDER THAT 
DECISION.
LET'S BRING BACK VASSY KAPELOS 
AND CATHERINE CULLEN BEFORE WE 
GO.
TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE COMMENTS 
FROM THE PRIME MINISTER.
WHICH I DO SAY, I SEE SOME 
CONSERVATIVES IN PARTICULAR 
APPLAUDING THE PRIME MINISTER'S 
COMMENTS ON TWITTER.
BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE WAS FAIRLY 
UNEQUIVOCAL WHEN IT CAME TO HIS 
RESPONSE ON THAT HER FROM 19 
CANADIANS CALLING ON THE 
GOVERNMENT TO RELEASE MENG 
WANZHOU IN ORDER TO GET BACK 
THE CANADIAN DETAINED IN 
KHAO *IFNL VASSY?
>> Vassy: HE WAS EXPLICIT THAT 
HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEM.
HE RESPECTS THOSE INDIVIDUALS 
AND THEY ARE PEOPLE THAT YOU 
WILL RECOGNIZE FROM ED 
BROADBENT TO LAWRENCE CANNON.
HE RESPECTS THEM BUT DISAGREES 
WITH THEM.
IN FACT, THE WAY THAT HE 
CHARACTERIZED ONE OF THE 
SUGGESTIONS MADE IN THE LETTER 
TO END EXTRADITION PROCEEDINGS 
AGAINST MENG WANZHOU, THEY 
DON'T MENTION IT SPECIFICALLY, 
SET HER FREE, HOPING IN 
EXCHANGE THEY'LL SET FREE 
MICHAEL SPAVOR AND MICHAEL 
KOVRIG, HE DESCRIBED AS HANDING 
LEVERAGE OVER TO THE CHINESE 
GOVERNMENT AND SET AGO PRESS 
DHAENLT WOULD ESSENTIALLY 
ENDANGER ANY CANADIANS THAT 
TRAVEL ANYWHERE.
AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING OVER 
THE PAST FEW HOURS, IT IS 
CERTAINLY EVOCATIVE OF THE 
POSITION.
IT IS A REPEAT OF THE POSITION 
PRIME MINISTER HAS TAKEN FROM 
THE START ON THIS PARTICULAR 
FILE.
BUT IT IS MUCH STRONGER AND 
MORE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE.
THAT IS PROBABLY WHY YOU'RE 
SEEING THE REACTION YOU ARE SO 
FAR ESPECIALLY FROM THE RIGHT 
WHICH I SAY TO OFFER SOME 
CONTEXT HAS BEEN THE MOST 
CRITICAL OF THE PRIME MINISTER 
FOR HIS POSITIONING ON CHINA, 
ARGUING OVER AND OVER AGAIN 
THAT THE PRIME MINISTER IS WEAK 
ON CHINA, DOES NOT TAKE A TOUGH 
ENOUGH STANCE.
SO, THAT IS WHY PROBABLY THEY 
ARE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 
SUPPORTIVE OF THE KIND OF 
LANGUAGE THAT HE USED TODAY.
NOW THAT THE SECONDARY QUESTION 
IS, OF COURSE, WHAT HAPPENS TO 
BACK THAT UP, IF ANYTHING, AND 
WHAT KINDS OF ACTIONS IS THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILLING TO 
PURSUE IN THAT VEIN.
THOSE QUESTIONS REMAIN AT THIS 
POINT UNANSWERED.
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
IT IS ONE THING TO TALK TOUGH.
IT IS ANOTHER THING TO BACK 
THAT UP WITH SOMETHING MORE AND 
FOR NOW WE DON'T SEE THAT, AT 
LEAST PUBLICLY.
>> Reporter: I DIDN'T.
-- YES.
AND WE AREN'T EXPECTING CHINESE 
OFFICIALS TO SPEAK FOR THE NEXT 
FEW DAYS AS THEY'RE ON HOLIDAY.
BUT THAT IS THE NEXT IMPORTANT 
MOVE.
AND NOT OF THIS AVENUE, BUT 
THEN WHAT NOW TO RESOLVE THIS?
WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS OF 
PRECISELY WHAT IS HAPPENING 
BEHIND THE SCENES.
ANY CAMPAIGN.
THE PRIME MINISTER WAS ASKED 
TODAY ABOUT SOME OTHER OPTIONS 
HE HAS IN TERMS OF BACKING UP 
THAT TOUGH TALK, FOR INSTANCE 
REVOKING STUDENT VISAS FOR SOME 
CHINESE STUDENTS WHO MIGHT HAVE 
TIES TO THE COMMUNIST REGIMES.
FOR INSTANCE,
SANCTIONS.
HE DIDN'T POINT TO ANY SPECIFIC 
COURSE OF ACTION.
IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THIS, OF 
COURSE, THESE TWO MEN AND THEIR 
FAMILIES NOW MORE THAN 516 DAYS 
IN DETENTION, THEIR FATE.
IT SEEMS CLEARLY LINKED TO THAT 
OF A TELECOM EXECKTIVE BEING 
HELD FOR EXTRADITION HERE IN 
CANADA.
SHE IS LIVING IN NOT ONE, BUT 
TWO MANSIONS ON $10 BILLION 
BAIL WHILE THESE MEN ARE IN 
SMALL CASES BY MEN WHO ARE 
EATING OUT OF  A BUCKET AND NOT 
LEAVING THESE FACILITIES FOR 
DAYS.
IT'S TERRIBLY SAD AND NOT A 
SOLUTION TO ANYONE AT THIS 
MOMENT.
>> Rosemary: ANYTHING THE 
GOVERNMENT DOES OR DOESN'T DO, 
NOT WANTING TO PROVOKE A 
FURTHER REACTION FROM CHINA 
THAT MIGHT ENDANGER THESE 
GENTLEMEN BEING DETAINED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR 
COVERAGE TODAY.
VASSY KAPELOS, YOU CAN SEE HERE 
LATER TODAY ON HER SHOW AT 5:00 
P.M. EASTERN AND CATHERINE 
CULLEN WILL BE ON "THE NATIONAL 
"AND UNDOUBTEDLY ELSEWHERE.
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
I'M ROSEMARY BARTON.
YOU ARE WATCHING CBC NEWS 
NETWORK.
LET ME HAND THINGS OVER NOW TO 
MY COLLEAGUE, SUHANA 
MEHARCHAND, WHO WILL PICK UP 
OUR COVERAGE FROM HERE.
>> Suhana: THANK YOU, ROSEMARY.
AS WE CONTINUE OUR COVID-19 
COVERAGE, WE START WITH A LOOK 
AT TORONTO WHERE THE MAYOR, 
JOHN TORY IS CALLING FOR 
NUMEROUS CHANGES TO THE CITY'S 
POLICING SYSTEM.
AT A PRESS CONFERENCE EARLIER 
TODAY, HE WANTS TO REFOCUS 
POLICE RESOURCES AND ALLOCATE 
MONEY TO AREA
