>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,
EVERYBODY.
MY FIRST GUEST IS AN EMMY AND
TONY AWARD WINNER WHO YOU KNOW
AS INIGO MONTOYA IN
"THE PRINCESS BRIDE" AND SAUL
BERENSON ON "HOMELAND."
PLEASE WELCOME MANDY PATINKIN!
>> Stephen: I LOVE THAT
ENTRANCE, WITH SUCH PURPOSE.
I LOVE-- I LOVE WATCHING SAUL
WALK ON "HOMELAND."
SUCH PURPOSE.
>> MY KIDS MAKE FUN OF THE WAY I
WALK, SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW,
I'M-- I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS,
BUT THAT'S HOW I WALK.
THAT'S HOW SAUL WALKS.
SO...
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: SO YOU AND SAUL
HAVE THE SAME WALK?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Stephen: YOU HAVE THE SAME
BEARD, WHICH IS NICE.
>> WE ALSO SOUND A LITTLE ALIKE
AS WELL.
>> Stephen: A LITTLE ALIKE.
YOU SEEM FRIENDLIER THAN SAUL.
>> OH, I LIKE HIM MUCH BETTER
THAN ME.
( LAUGHTER )
YOU.
>> Stephen: LIKE SAUL MORE
THAN YOU?
>> OH, I DO.
HE'S MUCH CALMER THAN ME.
HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED IN THE PAST
THAT I AM NOT SAUL.
>> Stephen: YES.
>> I NEED TO BE MORE LIKE SAUL.
>> Stephen: HE'S ORDERED
PEOPLE KILLED.
HAVE YOU DONE THAT.
>> OKAY, SO PEOPLE MAKE
MISTAKES, YOU KNOW.
DONT BE SO PICKY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE
BASICS.
>> Stephen: OKAY, WE'VE GOT
ONE MORE WEEK.
THIS IS THE FINALE OF SEASON SIX
COMING UP THIS SUNDAY.
>> THIS SUNDAY NIGHT THE END OF
THE BALLGAME.
>> Stephen: AND I'M JUST-- NOT
THE WHOLE SERIES.
>> NO, NO, NO JUST SEASON SIX --
>> Stephen: DON'T SCARE ME
LIKE THAT, MR.
>> THEY ALREADY BLOCKED SEASONS
SEVEN AND EIGHT ALREADY.
>> Stephen: OH, THANK GOD!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
>> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE
LOOKING FOR.
>> Stephen: I WAS LOOKING FOR
HOLY WATER.
>> OKAY.
>> UNDERSTAND.
>> Stephen: WHY DO PEOPLE--
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WILL PUT MY FINGERS IN YOUR
WATER.
WHY DO THIS SHOW-- MY ONE
COMPLAINT OF THE SHOW IS WHY DO
YOU HAVE TO BE SO PRECENT ON THE
SHOW?
IN YEARS PAST, EVERY SEASON IS
ABOUT TWO AMONGST AHEAD OF
THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN
THE WORLD, AND THESE ARE WRITTEN
A LONG TIME AGO, SHOT A LONG
TIME AGO.
THIS SEASON WE HAVE THE INTELE
COMMUNITY FIGHTING EACH OTHER,
FIGHTING THE PRESIDENT, FAKE
NEWS, SOCIAL MEDIA, SOCK PUPPETS
GENERATING PUBLIC OPINION
AGAINST POLITICAL FIGURES.
>> YEAH HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF
THAT BEFORE.
>> Stephen: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH,
YEAH.
WHAT IS IT?
WHAT DEMON GOD TO YOU SACRIFICE
A GOAT TO, TO LEARN THESE THINGS
AHEAD OF TIME?
>> WELL, ACTUALLY, ALL OUR
WRITERS DO, AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE
THE SAME EXPERIENCE, YOU WAKE UP
IN THE MORNING, YOU OPEN UP YOUR
EYES, AND YOU LOOK OUT THE
WINDOW.
AND THERE YOU HAVE WANT STORY OF
THE DAY.
IT IS ALL AROUND US IN A
FRIGHTENING WAY.
WE REWRITING AS WE GO, BY THE
MINUTE --
>> Stephen: DO YOU REALLY?
YOU SAY, "IT WAS GOING TO BE
THIS BUT WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT
BASED ON THE REALITY OF THE
WORLD?"
>> ABSOLUTELY.
AS A MATTER OF FACT WE WERE
GOING TO HAVE A FEMALE PRESIDENT
AS WE ALL EXPECTED TO HAVE AND
THEN THAT CHANGED -- I'M SURE
YOU'RE WAVER OF THAT CHANGE.
>> Stephen: YES, UH-HUH.
>> SO OUR WRITERS WENT BACK AND
HAVE TO READJUST THE NARRATIVE
AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS
HAPPENED, WHICH, YOU KNOW,
CLEARLY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT
INTERFERED WITH OUR SACRED
PROCESS OF OUR ELECTION.
THAT IS RIGHT IN THE "HOMELAND"
WHEELHOUSE, SO I THINK WE'LL
PROBABLY BE DEALING WITH THAT.
BUT THEN, ALSO, FOR ME, WHAT
BECAME THE TWO NEWEST, MOST
PROFOUND CHARACTERS OF THE
SEASON-- NOT TO DISPARAGE ANY OF
THE OTHER CHARACTERS, AND WE
HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARY CAST-- BUT
THE TWO CHARACTERS OF FAKE NEWS
AND THE TRUTH ROSE TO THE TOP OF
THE SYSTEM AND BECAME
TERRIFYINGLY ENGAGING.
SO IN THE PAST, I WOULD OFTEN
SAY, "OUR SHOW, AT BEST, IS-- WE
TRY TO BE A POTETTIC VERSION OF
THE REAL WORLD, SOMETHING THAT
ONE MIGHT WISH FOR IN TERMS OF
HOW THE OUTCOME MIGHT BE OR, YOU
KNOW, SOME MET FOFORT REAL WORLD
THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
AND THIS SEASON, IT BECAME A
POLAROID.
IT WAS AN INSTANT PHOTO.
IT WAS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
AND CONTINUES TO DO SO.
>> Stephen: I THINK IT'S NOT
AS CRAZY AS THE REAL WORLD.
BECAUSE--
>> WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
>> Stephen: I FIND THE REAL
WORLD A LITTLE SCARER THAN
"HOMELAND."
>> I OFTEN SAY "HOMELAND" LIVES
IN A FICTIONAL HELL.
WE ALL IN IN A FICTIONAL HELL,
BUT THE REAL WORLD IS FAR MORE
HELLISH THAN THE FICTIONAL WORLD
OF "HOMELAND" AND THAT'S ME
BEING OPTIMISTIC.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: AND THIS IS WHY
YOU LIKE SAUL MORE.
( LAUGHTER )
HE'S HOPEFUL.
>> I DO.
>> Stephen: HE'S HOPEFUL.
>> HE IS HOPE GLFL YOU SAID-- I
INTERVIEWED YOU YEARS AGO BACK
ON THIS OTHER SHOW I DID-- A
CABLE ACCESS SHOW I USED TO DO.
( LAUGHTER )
VERY PROUD OF IT.
BUT--
>> KNEW-- I KNEW I HAD SEEN YOU
BEFORE.
>> Stephen: YEAH, YEAH.
>> I WAS DRIVING MYSELF CRAZY.
( APPLAUSE )
WHERE HAVE I SEEN YOU?
>> Stephen: YOU SAID ON THAT
SHOW-- ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES I
INTERVIEWED YOU-- YOU SAID THAT
YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT RUNNING
FOR THE PRIME MINISTER OF
ISRAEL.
>> OKAY.
>> Stephen: ON THIS SEASON,
THERE'S ONE EPISODE WHERE YOU GO
TO ISRAEL--
>> WEST BANK.
>> Stephen: WEST BANK, AND YOU
MEET A SISTER WHO WE'VE NEVER
HEARD OF BEFORE.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: FOR ONLY ONE
EPISODE.
AND YOU GUYS DEBATE SETTLEMENTS
IN THE WEST BANK.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: AND THAT WAS YOU
PUTTING YOUR TOE IN ISRAELI
POLITICS AND SAYING, "LET'S
THROW UP A TRIAL BALLOON HERE
AND SEE IF ANYBODY WOULD AGREE
WITH ME?"
>> I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT
DISCUSSION IN FRONT OF 10
MILLION PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD.
I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING
DISCUSSION TO HAVE.
>> Stephen: YEAH.
>> AND I SAID TO YOU LAST TIME
WE WERE TOGETHER IN THAT CABLE
VERSION OF YOUR EXISTENCE THAT--
THAT I WAS HOPING TO RUN FOR
PRIME MINISTER, AND I WANTED YOU
TO BE MY SECRETARY OF STATE.
AND I-- AND I STILL WANTED TO DO
THAT.
AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU
AND I, AND WE WERE READY TO GO
FULL TILT ON THAT, AND THEN I
GOT A CALL ABOUT 12 MINUTES
BEFORE I CAME OUT HERE THAT
JARED KUSHNER WAS TAKIN TAKING T
JOB.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: I'M SO SORRY.
BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME.
BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME.
>> HE SEEMS TO HAVE NOTHING BUT
FREE TIME.
SO...
>> Stephen: ANY CHANCE THAT
SAUL WILL SING ON "HOMELAND"?
BECAUSE STRANGELY, BIZARRELY TO
ME, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO
ARE HUGE FANS OF YOURS WHO DO
NOT KNOW THAT YOU ARE A BROADWAY
STAR WITH A VOICE OF AN ANGEL.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
WHAT WOULD SAUL SING?
( LAUGHTER )
THAT'S JUST TO GET ME TO STOP AT
THIS POINT.
>> NO, NO.
>> Stephen: WILL SAUL SING?
>> HE WILL SING IN SEASON 27.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: I'M LOOKING
FORWARD TO IT.
AGAIN, PLEASE.
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SO
INTERESTING, WHY IS "HOMELAND"
INTERESTING TO PEOPLE?
WHY DO THEY WANT TO TURN INTO A
SHOW ABOUT TERRORISM, A SHOW
THAT GETS YOU ON THE EDGE OF
YOUR SEAT, A SHOW THAT SCARES
YOU?
I THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS ALL
THE TIME, AND I THINK
COLLECTIVELY, AS A HUMAN RACE,
WE'RE ADDICTED TO ANXIETY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ANXIETY, WE
ALL STRUGGLE WITH IT, AND I HAVE
THIS THEORY THAT IF YOU GET YOUR
FIX OF ANXIETY FOR THE DAY,
WHETHER IT'S IN WATCHING A
HORROR MOVIE OR A SHOW ABOUT
TRUMP OR SEEING SOMETHING
HORRIBLE THAT HAPPENS IN THE
WORLD, OR EVEN ON A FAMILY
LEVEL-- AND I KNOW WE'VE
EXPERIENCED THIS.
IF YOU HAVE A GROUP OF FRIENDS
AND ONE OF THE CHILDREN-- THIS
HAPPENED IN OUR FAMILY-- GETS
ENCEPHLIGHTIS, THAT'S A QUIET
SILENCE THING THAT THE REST OF
YOU SAY WHO HAVE CHILDREN,"NOW
IT WON'T HAPPEN TO US.
WHAT ARE ARE THE ODDS OF IT
HAPPENING MORE THAN ONCE."
IT SOFERLT TAKES CARE OF THAT,
EVEN IN THE FANTASY WORLD, AND I
THINK THAT'S WHY PEOPLE TUNE
INTO THESE THINGS, INCLUDING--
GOD BLESS YOU-- FOR DISPLAYING
THE TERRORISM, ANXIETY THROUGH
HUMOR, YOU KNOW, WHICH-- EVEN
THROUGH HUMOR.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
WE --
>> Stephen: WELL, THIS IS HOW
I DEAL WITH MY ANXIETY.
>> ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S FUNNY DOES
NOT MAKE IT ANY LESS TERRIFYING.
IN FACT, MY FEELING, IT'S 1,000
TIMES MORE TERRIFYING.
>> Stephen: YOU KNOW WHAT THEY
SAY-- IF YOU CAN SCARE ONE
PERSON, IT'S WORTH IT.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> YES, YES.
>> Stephen: BUT SPEAKING OF
DEALING-- HERE'S AN EVEN BETTER
WAY TO DEAL WITH ANXIETY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE
BEEN DOING AND YOU'RE DOING
AGAIN.
THIS IS YOU HELPING REFUGEES.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
SO WHERE IS THIS?
AND WHERE DID YOU DO IT?
WHAT I IS THIS?
>> I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU
ASKED ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE BOTH
AFTER SEASON FIVE, LITERALLY THE
DAY WE WRAPPED AND THE DAY I
WRAPPED ON SEASON SIX, I FLEW
IMMEDIATELY TO LESS BOAS,
GREECE, AND THIS TIME I TOOK MY
WIFE, AND I WORK WITH THE
INTERNATIONAL REFUGEE COMMITTEE,
AND I WORK WITH THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE THE MOST FRAGILE HUMAN
BOOINGS, THE MOST VULNERABLE OF
OUR WORLD SOCIETY RIGHT NOW
FLEEING THIS HORRIFIC WAR.
AND I HAVE GONE TO LESBOS,
SERBIA, AND THE CROATIAN BORDER,
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY-- AND
THIS REALLY RELATES TO
"HOMELAND" AS WELL.
IT'S WHERE THE ART AND THE
FICTION ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
THIS BUSINESS OF LIES AND SOCK
PUPETS AND FAKE NEWS AND ALSO--
THIS IS-- IN SOME WAYS YOU CAN
CALL AT A GAME, BUT IT'S A GAME
THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE'S LIVES.
PEOPLE-- IT'S THE OLDEST TRICK
IN THE BOOK, ALL THE BUSINESS OF
HOW THESE PEOPLE GET ELECTED.
IF YOU WANT TO RUN FOR MAYOR,
CONGRESSMAN, AULDERMAN, I TELL
YOU WHO TO BE AFRAID OF.
IN THE MOVIES IT USED TO BE
COWBOYS, COMMUNISTS.
NOW THEY HAVE VILIFIED THE
MUSLIM COMMUNITY.
THE ISLAMIC COMMUTEY WHO HAS
MADE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE WORLD
THAT IS MONUMENTAL IN TERMS OF
ART AND OTHER THINGS THAT THEY
GIVE US--
( APPLAUSE )
BUT THAT-- THAT LITTLE BOY,
THAT-- THAT LITTLE BOY-- THAT
LITTLE BOY IN THAT PICTURE WHO
IS HOLD MIGHT GO BEARD-- HE
CALLED ME GRANDPA-- THESE ARE
REAL CHILDREN, REAL FAMILIES.
AND THEY ARE DESPERATE TO HAVE
SANCTUARY, A NEW HOME.
I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND MORE
THAN ANYTHING, THE VETTING
PROCESS IS AN 18-MONTH TO
TWO-YEAR PROCESS.
YOU DON'T GET IN THE DOORS,
UNLESS THE U.N.H.C.R., FEELS YOU
AS AN INDIVIDUAL OR FAMILY CAN
MAKE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THE PEOPLE WHO GET THROUGH IT
AND THESE REFUGEES ARE THE
SAFEST CITIZENS THAT THE UNITED
STATES CAN WELCOME.
AND ALL OF US ARE-- ARE PRODUCTS
OF OUR ANCESTRY AND OUR PARENTS
WHO WERE REFUGEES.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
THESE REFUGEES-- THESE REFUGEE
REFUGEES--
( APPLAUSE )
THESE REFUGEES ARE THE
DEFINITION OF-- THEY ARE THE
DEFINITION OF THE FABRIC OF OUR
COUNTRY, AND THEY ARE THE PEOPLE
WHO TRULY MAKE AMERICA GREAT.
SO LET US OPEN OUR ARMS AND
WELCOME THEM TO THIS COUNTRY AND
EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: THANK YOU, MANDY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THE SEASON FINALE OF "HOMELAND"
