

### Padgett Messages:

### Solomon's Message

### 20th April 1916A

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller) &

### Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck)

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### This ebook is a transcript of a discussion that took place between AJ Miller and Mary Luck (who claim to be Jesus and Mary Magdalene) on 10th April 2013 in Wilkesdale, Australia, about a message given by Solomon on the 20th April 1916 to James Padgett, describing what the greatest truths in the world are. In this discussion Jesus and Mary discuss how prayer and faith are the greatest things on the part of man, while Divine Love is the greatest thing on the part of God. They also explain the benefits of receiving Divine Love and how to go about receiving God's Love.

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Table of Contents

### Solomon Message Discussion: Part 1

1. Introduction

2. The importance of God's Love

2.1. God's Love transforms our soul

2.1.1. Divine Love gives us the potential for immortality

2.1.2. Becoming at-one with God is not the same as becoming God

2.2. Using our will to receive Divine Love

2.3. God's Love transforms our soul (continued)

3. Benefits of receiving Divine Love

3.1. Feeling the way God feels about issues

3.2. Gaining some of God's qualities

3.2.1. Creating instantly and in harmony with love

3.3. Gaining knowledge and understanding about God and the universe

4. How to receive Divine Love

4.1. Divine Love removes the cause of sin and error from our soul

4.1.1. Divine Love automatically draws us to take more loving actions

4.1.2. Humility is required to see and feel our causes

4.2. We are able to receive God's Love as we release our error

4.3. Continuing to receive Divine Love is dependent upon acting in harmony with the Love we have received

4.4. Being God-reliant

5. Summary of the importance of Divine Love

6. Faith

6.1. Faith needs to be grounded in truth

6.2. To build faith we need to initially take a "risk" based on logic and truth

### Solomon Message Discussion: Part 2

7. Faith (continued)

7.1. Developing faith that God is loving is necessary before we can long for God's Love

7.2. Faith begins with a logical intellectual concept

8. To receive Divine Love we need to give up false concepts of God

8.1. An example of Christians with the false belief that God is punishing and wrathful

8.2. An example of the false belief that we have to be perfect to receive God's Love

8.3. We cannot receive Divine Love if we do not ask, or if we ask insincerely

8.4. False concepts about God prevent us from praying for God's Love

8.5. Allowing God to guide us through our emotional blockages to God

9. Benefits of receiving Divine Love (continued)

9.1. Faith grows as we receive more Divine Love

9.2. We automatically become more loving as we receive more Divine Love

9.2.1. An example of automatically becoming more truthful when we receive Divine Love

9.3. Divine Love exposes our emotional errors

10. Prayer

10.1. Prayer opens our soul to the reception of Divine Love

10.2. Prayer petitions God's Soul to give us Divine Love

10.3. Receiving Divine Love is emotionally overwhelming

10.4. Faith enables sincere prayer

11. The Prayer for Divine Love

11.1. God is all holy, loving and merciful

11.2. We are children of God, and not subservient, sinful or depraved

11.3. We are the greatest of God's Creations and object of God's Love and tenderest care

11.4. God's Will is that we become at-one with God

11.5. We do not become at-one with God through the sacrifice and death of any of God's creatures

11.6. Praying for the inflow of Divine Love into our soul to transform us into a Divine being

11.7. Only we can prevent God's Love from transforming us

11.8. God is the bestower of every good and perfect gift

11.9. Only we can prevent God's Love from transforming us (continued)

11.10. Developing faith that God is our true parent

11.11. God never withholds His Love from us

11.12. The shadow of God's Love helps overcome temptations of the flesh and the powers of evil ones

11.13. Receiving Divine Love is a privilege

11.14. God smiles upon our weaknesses

11.15. Receiving Divine Love is a privilege (continued)

11.16. Giving God glory, honour and love

12. Summary

13. Closing Words

14. Appendix: The Prayer for Divine Love

Solomon Message Discussion: Part 1

1. Introduction

Good afternoon. We wanted to discuss another Padgett message with you again today, and so what we've chosen is a very short and succinct message given by Solomon on the 20th April 1916. The subject of the message is; what are the greatest truths in all the world? It's a very short, direct message, but you're going to find it will probably take an hour or so to discuss it (laughs) because there's so much involved in his statements about the truth that is discussed in this message.

So what we'd probably like to do is read the entire message first, and then we can then bring out the different points with the discussion. So I thought perhaps I'll read the message and then we'll proceed.

Solomon of the Old Testament.

"I come only to say that very soon I desire to write you another message conveying to you some great truth of the Father. I will not write more now but will soon come." And then Padgett asked, "What is the greatest thing in all the world?" "Prayer and faith on the part of mortals, and love, the Divine Love, on the part of God. The latter is waiting and the former causes it to enter into the souls of men. No other truths are so great and momentous to men. Let what I say sink deep into your memory and try the experiment. I know you do try, but try, and then try and never cease trying. Love will come to you and with it faith, and then knowledge and then ownership. I could write for a long time yet I must not as you are tired. So with my love and blessings I will say goodnight and may the Father's Love take possession of you. Your brother in Christ Solomon."

So it's a very short message.

Mary: Yeah. It's actually probably my favourite message.

In the Padgett messages?

Mary: Yeah, out of all the messages. And I think because the message is so crystallised and beautiful, if I could master the prayer and faith.

Yeah I feel it's one of the most misunderstood messages in the entire Padgett messages as well.

Mary: Which is why I'm really excited to talk to you about it.

Yeah. I feel that it's misunderstood from many different points of view but the first point of view where it's very misunderstood is the importance of prayer. I just feel that most people, when they hear about praying for Divine Love, still do not understand the importance of prayer and what prayer actually does to the soul, and what prayer for Love does in terms of transformation of the soul. And I also feel it's important in the sense that it highlights the most important thing we can receive from God. A lot of people are seeking truth but the reality is they're not seeking this primary truth, and that is the most important thing that you could ever receive is Love from God; that is the thing that causes transformation of the human soul. [00:03:18.23]

You can try to transform your soul using all other methods, or find out lots of other truths if you want, but the reality is this is the most important thing you can receive. And I feel that most people who listen to us still don't understand that. They're still seeking truth about this subject or that subject or whatever it is that they're trying to get truth about, and still not understanding that the single greatest truths are this Love that can come from God that transforms your soul, and what you need to do to actually have this Love enter your soul.

Mary: To receive it.

To receive it. And if people understood this truth better, they would spend less of their time arguing or seeking other types of knowledge, metaphysical or other types of knowledge, they would probably even stop searching altogether, and if they understood the true importance of receiving Divine Love into the soul, they would seek only that first. And as I said in the first century; you'd seek that first and all these other things would be added to you, and they would understand that. But I feel that the majority of people do not understand it, so this is one reason why we'd like to discuss it together in detail.

Mary: And in this message Solomon says to Padgett, "Try the experiment".

And then try and try and try and keep trying.

Mary: Keep trying! And maybe we can point out what the experiment is, which is really something that we've talked about in other discussions. Padgett has encouraged his spirit friends to experiment with the idea that if there is a God who loves me then I would ask for that Love. And Solomon is basically saying, just as you've said, that's the greatest thing you can ever try to do and when you do it's going to change you. Love will come to you and then faith and then knowledge and ownership. And I just find that so beautiful the way he's been able to say it so clearly what's going to happen if we just have these two qualities, or two actions, I suppose.

2. The importance of God's Love

Yeah. So perhaps we can talk firstly about the importance of God's Love and what it does to the soul, because that is the thing that comes from God, and what Solomon says is the greatest thing that comes from God. And I would agree with that; the greatest thing that I've experienced from God is this Love that comes from God. It transforms everything else. It gives you all knowledge in the end as well; if you put it into practice in your day-to-day life all other knowledge comes to you as well. [00:06:03.13]

So if we really valued it, we would place it as a high priority in our life. In fact, if we valued its worth, in other words if we valued God's Love to what God's Love was actually worth, we would find that we'd be spending a lot less time doing mundane things in our day-to-day life and a lot more time developing this relationship with God than the majority of us are doing. So this I feel indicates that for the majority of us we do not value God's Love and we do not understand its transformational nature upon the soul. And instead what we do is we're still self-reliant, we're still relying on some effort on our behalf, and as a result we often get very distracted. We often go off into searching for other truths rather than focusing all of our intention on this one main truth, and then allowing all the other truths to come to us as time goes on, because as we receive the Love more and more these truths will come to us.

And I feel that for the majority of people who have heard the message of Divine Truth there is still a focus on all of the truth without there being a major focus on all of the Love that we can receive from God. Because it's not the truth that transforms us, and we need to understand that. We need to get that it's not truth that transforms us; it opens the doorway to transforming us, but it isn't the truth itself that transforms us. It's Love that transforms us. And it's not our own love that transforms us; it's God's Love entering the soul that transforms us. And we need to understand the importance of receiving God's Love in our day-to-day life if we truly want to become more loving individuals. [00:07:50.09]

2.1. God's Love transforms our soul

Mary: You're saying God's Love transforms us; can you explain what happens? What is this transformation that happens?

God's Love is a part of God's nature and character, and as we've said in the Padgett messages it's a part of the substance of God, because it belongs to God; it doesn't belong to us. It belongs to God. So when we receive Divine Love into our soul a part of God now exists within our soul for the very first time; if it's the very first time we've received it, it'll be the very first time in our entire existence that a part of God exists in our soul. Now a lot of people argue that we're all made with a part of God and I can't agree with that. We are all made with characteristics and attributes that are loving, and God has placed these characteristics and attributes in us, but they belong to us initially without a part of God.

God also made the material that makes up our body and made the material that makes up our spirit body, and made the material that makes up our soul, but they are just creations of God that have their own purpose and their own mechanisms. They operate independently of God and God created it that way because otherwise we wouldn't have free will.

When we receive Divine Love it's completely different. We now are receiving a part of God's very substance, the Love that belongs to God, which is an emotion that God has, but it's also a substance that enters our soul and starts transforming the soul into having different types of characteristics. It physically transforms the soul as well as spiritually transforms it. This Love causes different operations to begin inside of the human soul. So before we were only ever able to progress to the perfect natural man. After we've received some Divine Love, now we have the potentiality of receiving more and more of this Love that transforms us into being a completely different kind of creature, I called it in the first century the "new birth"; being "born again".

You're born from being just a man, borne of a mother and a father if you like. The soul's created by God, but un-individualised before you incarnate. When it incarnates it individualises but it still isn't conscious of the fact that it's got a part of God because the reality is it does not have a part of God in it at that point, with the exception that God formed the materials that made up the soul. [00:10:39.03]

Mary: But they aren't actually made from God's substance, are they?

No. They're God formulating material from the universe, formulating materials to create our soul and create a spirit body and create our physical body, but a part of God's actual substance doesn't exist in the human. So this whole concept that we are all Divine sparks of God is a very flawed concept. I feel the Earth we're living in is proof that we're not all Divine sparks of God at all because you see the results of the world that we live in and you see plainly that if we're all Divine sparks of God then God must be a pretty harsh, unloving person.

2.1.1. Divine Love gives us the potential for immortality

But once we start receiving Divine Love into our soul, now a part of God enters us and for the very first time in our existence we have the potential for immortality. And once we've become at-one with God's Love that enters us, and continues to enter us to the point where every choice and every decision we make is in harmony with the law, then we are at-one with God, and once we become at-one with God now we are also completely immortal. Our soul can never die, not our spirit body or our physical body but our soul can never die. It can never pass away. It can never be transformed into something lesser than what it currently is.

2.1.2. Becoming at-one with God is not the same as becoming God

Mary: Just to clarify though you're saying a part of God has entered us but this is not a process of us becoming God, is it?

No.

Mary: When we become at-one with God, it's not saying that so much of God has entered that we are God, is it?

Well I suppose if you look at the very furtherest potential in terms of receiving Divine Love it is possible that somehow we become a part of God. However nobody has ever experienced that. There's no spirit who's ever experienced that or any person on Earth has ever experienced that. And so the reality is we don't know what in the future will be receiving Divine Love. All we know at this point in time that Divine Love transforms us into a completely new creature with completely new potentials. And it's like God is gifting new gifts to our soul that we didn't have as a part of our original potential, but God created the soul able to expand under the condition of receiving Divine Love. It's only under that condition, and our will has to be engaged in that. It's not something that's automatic. We're not automatically Divine; we've got to engage our will. We've got to decide that we want to become such through this relationship with God. And by Divine I don't mean that we become God, I mean that we have part of God's Divinity within us, because we have a part of God's Love within us; the substance of God has entered our soul and transformed it.

Mary: Okay, and this will part, that's the prayer and faith that we're going to talk about later, isn't it? But if you could speak a little bit more about this transformation. You say we become at-one with God but what begins to happen initially is that we start to receive God's Love? There's changes that's happening and part of God is entering us, but are things leaving us? What's changing within us? [00:13:51.23]

2.2. Using our will to receive Divine Love

Well nothing leaves us when we receive Divine Love without our choice being involved. So in other words when we receive Love from God, nothing will leave us. No errors will leave us; no truth can enter us unless our will is engaged. And this is where I feel a lot of people do not understand the principle of receiving Divine Love. They want more Love and oftentimes they receive some, if you look at most religious faiths, there is a connection to God in some places, and so they receive some Divine Love, but then their belief systems and their will is exercised to reject more Love, to stop having Love come into the soul. Or they reject living in harmony with the Love that has already entered their soul. And if they do that, then they'll have quite a lot of pain and suffering in their lives still as a result of that.

What we need to do is engage this process of continuing to receive the Love and releasing from us the influences and beliefs and emotions and passions and desires within us that have a tendency towards rejection of the Love and towards rejection of the truth, we need to let those go, but it needs to be a process that is actively engaged by our will. We can't expect to just have Divine Love keep coming to us while at the same time we continue to operate and act out of harmony with it, and have continued reception of Divine Love.

Because of the substance of Divine Love, because it comes from God, it has an underlying responsibility, if you like, and the underlying responsibility is that we start acting in harmony with it in order to receive more. And that's part and parcel of the reception of Divine Love. But it's the Divine Love that actually transforms the soul. Nothing else does. [00:15:48.24]

2.3. God's Love transforms our soul (continued)

Mary: In what way does it transform the soul?

Well physically it transforms the soul from the perfect natural man, or from the normal soul that we're created as, and by softening it into a different type of soul, it actually is a different type of soul. And in fact the spirits in the spirit world, when you speak to them, who haven't received Divine Love, they actually believe that the souls of those who have received Divine Love are different souls. And while it's not true that it's not available to everybody, because it is, they believe that it must be a different soul because when they look at the spirit body of the individuals who have received Divine Love and they feel them, they can feel that there's something completely different in these people compared to themselves. And so they then start judging it as, "Oh, it must mean that God created two types of souls." And that's how they explain it to themselves.

Mary: So you're saying physically the spiritual body begins to reflect the changes that are inside of the soul, and that's what spirits are seeing?

Yes. But I'm also saying that the soul itself, the physicality of the soul itself, changes on the reception of Divine Love. The soul changes its substance and form for the very first time. If you never receive Divine Love there will not be this change. You'll continue to grow and you'll eventually become the perfected natural man sometime in your future in the spirit world, in the sixth dimension. You'll be very happy perhaps in that state, but you'll never experience any further growth, and it's impossible in fact to experience any further growth without receiving Divine Love above the sixth dimension.

What we need to do is understand that receiving Divine Love is the beginning of all soul-based transformation, because even if you grow in natural love, transformation can occur, but it halts at the sixth dimension. It cannot continue. And the reason why it cannot continue is because the soul that hasn't received Divine Love hasn't been transformed into this new creature that has the ability to exponentially grow and change and infinitely grow and change; that's the effect that Divine Love has upon the soul. It's almost like a key that you can put into the soul and transform it from being one type of vehicle, if you like, to a completely different type of vehicle with completely different potentiality.

Mary: Jet propulsion. (Laughs)

Well I wouldn't even call it jet propulsion; I'd say it's like a completely different vehicle all together. It's like comparing a motor car with a 747 jet plane, in the sense of comparison with the intricacies that can be developed within the soul. One is quite simple in comparison to the other, although it looks complex. Divine Love causes the transformation of the physical soul. The way that it does it is by the substance of God entering the soul and opening up all of these different possibilities that God created, potentialities in the soul that cannot be opened by anything other than God's Love.

So that's how it does it. When Divine Love is experienced in the soul, it's like this underlying substance if you like that causes a hole there, a new hole there, and a new growth there and a new growth there and a new growth there and a new growth there and all of a sudden the soul is now growing in all these different areas that all had to have a certain key put in them, which is just the Divine Love. Divine Love is the key to it all; we had to have the key put into it in order for that growth to occur. If Divine Love is not received, none of that growth can ever occur - physically ever.

Mary: So, thinking now of me, I'm not at-one with God yet, and in fact I'm very much in my infancy the second time round in receiving God's Love.

I can't agree with those statements but go on. (Laughs)

Mary: How would you differ with those statements?

Well there are other messages which we'll discuss in the future how a person can act out of harmony with the Love they've already received, and the reality is you have been acting out of harmony with the Love you've already received, which is a very different operation than the person receiving Divine Love for the first time. [00:20:12.07]

Mary: Yes. And so maybe we should just give a hypothetical then.

Okay. Let's go for the hypothetical.

Mary: Because obviously I have received God's Love to the point of at-onement with God in the past.

And our soul still is in that condition, even though you might not be conscious of the condition.

Mary: It hasn't lost the Love, and sometimes a lot of the pain I experience is because I am acting in disharmony with what is already a soul sense in me of what is loving.

Exactly. So comparing yourself, or asking questions about yourself is probably not something for the general public to benefit from. I feel what we need to do is ask questions about what it's like receiving it for the first time or continuingly receiving it after you've received it a little bit.

Mary: Yep. So, now, I'm Jo Blogs, who's never received Divine Love.

Or Jodie Blogs. (Laughs)

3. Benefits of receiving Divine Love

3.1. Feeling the way God feels about issues

Mary: Jodie Blogs. Joanne Blogs. (Laughter) You're talking about this transformation of the soul. Now I, Mary Magdalene, know more about what you're talking about but if I was hearing this for the first time, you're talking about it changing in substance, you're talking about potentials being unlocked in me. I'm assuming it's a potential for more truth, a potential to experience more love? What's the benefits? Why would I want Divine Love? [00:21:33.24]

Well it's the potential for you to feel like God feels on literally every issue that you could ever raise. So for example, when you look at a situation that you currently see as painful, once you've received Divine Love to the point of at-onement with God, you'll look upon that situation as God looks upon it. You would actually feel the way God feels about that situation for the first time.

Mary: So instead of feeling fear and pain you might feel compassion and intense love?

And you'll feel completely different feelings. And as a result of that, you'll also feel extreme happiness all the time. There'll be no limitation to your happiness because you're happiness can continue to grow. So I feel that the first positive benefit is the fact that eventually I will become like God in my feelings. Now the problem with receiving Divine Love is that most people do not desire things unless they know what the outcome is. But the problem with receiving Divine Love, if you could say there is a problem, is that the majority of people on Earth have no idea about what the possible outcomes are of receiving Divine Love, and as a result of that, they don't have an intense desire for it. Whereas if they understood all of the possibilities and truly felt them in their heart, it would be the thing they sought for the most in their life, not the least, or just as a side thought or just as some kind of side idea. They would be totally and completely and utterly focused on actually wanting to have this love to that point. They would not be distracted by any other things other than receiving this love if they understood the benefits. [00:23:27.07]

Mary: Yes. So you're saying one of the benefits is that at the point of at-onement with God I will feel what God feels about any given situation.

And God is never sad.

Mary: No.

God is always happy. God is always loving. So you'll always be loving in every dealing you have.

Mary: Now just to clarify that, because I've had people say, "Well then I've lost my individuality. Where's my personality".

And I would argue that they're not understanding what's being offered to them because what's being offered to them is a purification of their personality to its pure nature, not an absorption into God because we're still an individual. In fact the more we progress in love the more individual we become; that is what God designed us to be - an individual. That's why the process of incarnation is called "individualisation". It's about creating an individual, you, and having this individual growing to a limited perspective, if they don't want to receive Divine Love, or having the individual grow to an unlimited condition, which will be dependent upon continually receiving Divine Love of course.

Now if they understood that their personality is never going to be lost in this, and the exercise of their will is never going to be lost in this process, then many people might seek for it more. But there is a common belief on the planet that when you connect with God you give up your will and you give all your will over to God. Now of course that doesn't sound very attractive to most people, and I can understand to a degree why they don't feel that's attractive, because they feel like their own personal nature will be absorbed. And that is not the case at all. [00:25:11.06]

Mary: And a lot of people feel the colour and change and character of their life is defined by their highs and lows emotionally, and they don't have a sense that actually you can feel happy all of the time and still express your personality, and you'll be far more creative and you will have a lot more character and vibrancy in your life.

Yeah.

Mary: You just won't be experiencing hardship or pain.

Correct.

3.2. Gaining some of God's qualities

So some other advantages as well are things like once we become at-one with God we gain some of the qualities that God has, and one of those qualities is the ability to transport ourselves from place to place quite easily. We gain the quality of being able to sense and feel every individual that surrounds us, what their character is, what their nature is, what emotions they have within them, what history they have, without even having to talk to them. We have the ability to know them, truly know them, without having to actually converse with them. So that's a major ability that we gain once we become at-one with God.

Mary: Well that is more than awareness, isn't it? We have an intense awareness but we'll actually also have a connection and a compassion with each individual as well, would you say?

Of course because the Love itself generates compassion. It doesn't generate a sadness within yourself. So while you know everything that's going on around you, and you know all the reasons why people are making the choices around you, you still do not feel sad that they're making those choices because you realise those choices were based upon the gift of free will that God gave them, and you're completely in harmony with God's idea that that's a great thing. [00:26:55.09]

Mary: Yes. (Laughs).

It's a great thing they've been given free will, even the free will to create their own pain and suffering they've been given as a gift. And you're completely in harmony with God with regard to the use of free will.

3.2.1. Creating instantly and in harmony with love

You also have the ability to create now at the time of inception of an idea or a concept. So rather than creating just by having to do physical effort all of the time, you now have the ability to create around you, and physically create I'm talking about; have things manifest around you through the process of your soul's engagement of desire. So that's huge, that's how God creates, and we gain a lot of these gifts if we continue progressing towards God, past the point of at-onement and continue after that point, we eventually gain a lot of these abilities that God has in our soul.

Mary: And so you're talking about creation happening just seamlessly as our emotions are in harmony with God, as we have a loving idea and also in response to what we feel around us because we have this awareness of everyone around us and we have a connection to them and a love for them, then every action we take is going to be in harmony with love of them and ourselves, and our creations also will be in harmony with that.

Exactly. And we're not only creating here, we're creating in multi-dimensional spaces in the universe at the same time, and we're aware of that. It's not that we aren't aware, we know that it's happening, and we know because we can visit those homes that we're creating for example, and the spaces we've created, and we're able to visit it because now we have the ability not only just to think of ourselves in a human form, but we now have the ability to understand how the spirit body works and how I can see with my spirit body's eyes, so all of these other advantages come to us automatically through this process of receiving Divine Love and having your soul transformed.

Mary: So thank you for giving us a pretty compelling picture of what it's like.

But to be honest, it's a very limited picture because if people understood how immense it was; for example, just the one concept of immortality. If people understood how immense that was, that one concept of immortality, knowing for certain that when you become at-one with God you will always end up in this place of certainty on all subjects, once you become at-one with God. And knowing that everything you choose to do is certain. Like the outcome is certain if it's in harmony with love. [00:29:49.13]

3.3. Gaining knowledge and understanding about God and the universe

Mary: So it's certain in terms of love. It's not necessarily certain in terms of prophetic things, you're talking about?

No, and I think it's a big misunderstanding most people have about receiving Divine Love. They have this sort of concept that when you receive Divine Love to at-onement with God you automatically have all the knowledge of the universe. Now if you had, that would automatically make you God and that's not the case. The reality is that once you become at-one with God, you have the same amount of knowledge you had just before you became at-one with God with just a touch more love in you that you're now at-one with God. That's the reality. But you can continue to grow in your knowledge because it's the understanding of God's Love is what actually operates the entire universe. So you're not able to discover anymore about the universe unless you become at-one with God.

So these sixth sphere spirits, for example, who have not received Divine Love, they're investigating all these different things about the truths of the universe, they're focused on the creation rather than the creator. So they're focused on all of the different things that are happening in the universe, trying to learn more and more, but they're not realising that they will not be able to learn more and more about it and know it for certain because Divine Love is the thing they're going to need before they can understand it. Their soul needs to have grown into a different creature to understand it. The soul has to become more like God's Soul in order to understand what God has actually done. [00:31:19.20]

And while you're holding on to the intellectual idea that you can understand God without transforming your soul into God's nature, you're basically blocking any understanding of God and most understanding of the universe. So you have no opportunity in that place to completely understand the universe and what God has created - God's Laws and God Herself. You have no opportunity to understand God.

The soul has to be developed in love, not our own love, but God's Love, before we can understand those things. There are whole groups of truths that are completely cut off from our understanding unless we receive Divine Love. And if we don't receive Divine Love, we can think we know but we won't know. It won't be an actual, like Solomon says, "ownership"; it won't be an ownership of our knowledge. It will just be an opportunity to know or an idea or concept of knowledge, but it won't be something that we actually own and feel because it's impossible to without receiving Divine Love.

If people understood all of the issues surrounding receiving Divine Love, and the importance of receiving Divine Love in their day-to-day life, if they truly want to understand everything, they wouldn't be worried about doing this, doing that, fixing this, fixing that; they wouldn't be worried about a lot of things in their day-to-day life as much as they would be concerned about embracing the principles and particularly receiving God's Love into the soul.

Mary: Sure. So then I have a couple of other questions, clarifiers, around what you're saying there. Basically you're saying that as at the point of at-onement with God, then I have access to understanding from a completely different...

No I'm not saying at the point of at-onement with God, I'm saying that Divine Love transforming the soul causes the soul to get to new understandings. Now at the point of Divine Love being at-one with God, that doesn't mean that we all of a sudden know everything. What it means is whatever we now know in the future we can only know by receiving more Love. We can't know it using any other mechanism. We can't know it using a physical concept or trying to think about it or any of those things, we can't know it that way, and there's large amounts of the entire universe that God has created that it's impossible for us to know unless we continue to receive Divine Love. So it's not limited to the point of at-onement.

Mary: No. I was trying to give a clumsy summary of what you'd said, so I can ask my next question. (Laughs)

Fire away. Ask the question. (Laughter)

4. How to receive Divine Love

Mary: So I'm Joanne Blogs again.

Yeah. (Laughs)

Mary: And you've given me an amazing picture of what it's like when I've received God's Love to the point of at-onement with God, and as Joanne I can go, "Okay well that's alright. That seems like a good idea. There's some incentive there. But what's it going to look like on this journey as I being to receive God's Love? Am I going to get there in the next fortnight? Tomorrow? After one session of prayer?" [00:34:42.14]

But can you see even the desire to ask the question is already a lack of trust in the process.

Mary: Absolutely.

And this is where I feel a lot of people don't understand as well. They've just been told this amazing thing and the amazing thing is that your entire life and your entire future and your entire intellectual and knowledge and your awareness and the experiences in your entire life are completely dependent upon receiving Divine Love. And yet the next question most people ask...

Mary: What's it going to look like?

What it's going to look like? Why do they ask that question next?

Mary: Because they... well this is the next thing I wanted to raise with you.

Can we make the point though?

Mary: Sure.

The reason why they're asking these questions is because they don't believe it, because if they really believed they wouldn't be asking any more questions. They'd only want to know how, not what, but how they can receive love. They wouldn't want to know anything else once they fully understood the importance of love in their life. And I feel that's the problem that the majority of people that we speak to, is that they keep asking what, why, who, where. [00:36:05.17]

Mary: Yeah, instead of how.

Instead of how. (Laughs) And then engaging the how, engaging the process.

Mary: With faith.

With faith. You know, we talked to a group of spirits this week, didn't we, where they'd been listening to me speak on this subject for one year. So that's a fair time for a spirit because they're hearing every conversation I have with every person. It's not like just a few conversations on the Internet or anything. They're listening to every conversation I'm having with every person about the subject of Divine Love and yet in one year they still haven't done anything about it. They were still asking what, why, when, who and all the other things instead of focusing on the how. And the reason why they did that was because they're afraid. And we have this terrible fear, we have all these false beliefs associated with God and that's where faith comes in.

So a person is not going to pray unless they have some faith and obviously developing faith is a very difficult process if you haven't received any Divine Love. So at some point you're going to start with a completely blank slate, having no Divine Love entered your soul. You might have development in natural love but no Divine Love because your conscious will has to be engaged in receiving Divine Love. And it has to be the will of the soul, not the will of your mind, that's engaged with receiving Divine Love. So that might not engage at all. And then you have no faith that God exists, no faith in a loving God, no faith that God cares about you as an individual, none of those things, so why are you going to have a longing under those circumstances? Well for most people they don't have a longing because of all of those factors.

But that's what depends on man, and what I wanted to do first in this discussion is focus on what depends on God first, and then what depends on man because I feel if people understood the importance of receiving Divine Love in their soul, then a spark of desire will rise and then they might desire to pray, at least to try to experiment. But for the majority of people they do not understand the benefits of Divine Love in their life, they haven't even intellectually become aware of the possible benefits of Divine Love entering their soul, and as a result of that they never developed a desire to receive it, and they never work their way through issues of why they're not receiving it. And they never develop a longing to receive it, and they don't have any faith.

And so unfortunately, religious viewpoints and spiritual viewpoints all are developed by their own ideas and concepts, but they're not involved with God, so Divine Love is not transforming their soul, they're just trying to transform their soul using natural love techniques. And even the majority of people that have heard the Divine Truth are doing that still.

4.1. Divine Love removes the cause of sin and error from our soul

Mary: Yeah, even people who have an intellectual awareness are often still living in their fears. So just one last question then perhaps about the Love and the "how" of the Love; how it's received. You said earlier that Divine Love does not remove error from our soul.

No.

Mary: And I wanted to maybe come back to that point. I know we'll talk about more in the prayer and faith section, but just the very fact that you're saying our will must be engaged, the love...

Can I point out firstly that there are a lot of people who are going to feel that statement is in disharmony with the Padgett messages, but it's not. Error is an effect of causes that are in the soul. Divine Love removes the causes that produce the error. That's what Divine Love does. So the error itself is not removed by Divine Love entering the soul; the cause of the error is removed by Divine Love entering the soul, and that's very different. The majority of people don't understand the difference between cause and effect, but it's very important to understand. Sin is the effect of the soul acting out of harmony with love, and a condition within the soul where the soul desires to act out of harmony with love, because of the different emotions and feelings that the soul has. When Divine Love is received into the soul, then the causes of these particular degradations, if you like, of the soul are removed. And when the causes are removed, then the subsequent effect, sin, is no longer created. [00:40:59.04]

Mary: In effect just disappears without any effort?

It disappears without effort, yes. And if a person requires effort to change their behaviour on a certain issue, it means that the cause hasn't been removed. That means that they haven't received enough Divine Love surrounding that particular issue for the cause to actually be removed.

Mary: Thank you. That's such an important point I feel.

Yeah.

Mary: And it's also something else about the workings of Divine Love; just how powerful this Love is, that it can enter us and actually almost dissolve...

It dissolves the cause of our acting out of harmony with love.

Mary: Now that is very powerful.

Yes.

Mary: For me, personally, and probably Joanne Blogs. (Laughs)

Yeah. (Laughs) Because if you think about it from a scriptural perspective or a religious perspective, what most religions on the planet are teaching us is that we have to try, we have to try hard to do this, we have to fight the evil and fight off everything and we've got to try, try, try hard. The main reason why we have to try hard, unfortunately, is because Divine Love is not entering our soul and transforming the cause and so we're always working against the cause. Like we know that we sin under that circumstance, generally, and oftentimes we don't even know that we sin, but sometimes we know that we sin and then where we know we sin, we know we're doing things out of harmony with love, but instead of trying to correct the cause what we try to do is change the effects. [00:42:37.09]

So what we're trying to do is work against the soul's cause, the thing that exists in the soul that causes us to take those actions. Now Divine Love doesn't work that way. Divine Love enters the soul and starts transforming the soul at the causal level, not at the effect level. So Divine Love doesn't correct sin, Divine Love corrects the cause of sin.

Mary: Wow! That's pretty powerful, isn't it?

Very powerful.

Mary: Because it means that one cause can create a multitude of sin.

Of course.

Mary: If we dissolve that one cause then our life can change.

And change markedly in short periods of time.

Mary: Yes. And so that's along the way before we're even at-one with God; as we begin to receive the love there will a softening, there will be a change, our life with begin to show evidence of this love.

Of the love having the change to the cause.

Mary: Yes.

4.1.1. Divine Love automatically draws us to take more loving actions

Now of course, it is possible for us to still imbibe other errors into our soul that create other causes that we need to release, so there are certain other things that we would also need to choose to do if we want to protect our soul from receiving new causes, if you like, within it. [00:43:51.12]

Mary: Is this what you mean about acting in harmony with the Love that we've already received?

Of course. We must take action that's harmonious with the Love we've already received once we've received it. But that action will be automatic unless we use our will counter to the automatic action that the Love dictates.

Mary: So the Love will draw us towards more love by its very nature.

Yes the Love will draw us into a certain course of action that our fear then screams about and then we realise, "Oh, we've got fear still," Now once we become at-one with God we will have no fear. That will be a beautiful state, with no fear at all. But before that time the soul's being drawn into act in harmony with love and at the same time now any fears that we have are going to go, "Uh-oh! I don't want to go in that direction". And then we will need to choose to do something with these fears. These fears have other causes that, and if we receive more Love, the transformational effect on those causes will happen and these fears will start dropping off and disappearing.

Mary: And this is where I wanted to ask you an important clarifier about what you've just said. So you've just said to us that the Love removes the cause. [00:45:15.07]

Yes.

Mary: Now you've also said that religion and a lot of other teachings out there are asking us to work on the effects of the sins inside of us - do better, try harder, fix it, and you'll be a good person. Now what I observe is a lot of people who even listen to a lot of videos that we produce and are attempting to follow this way.

"The Path" as they call it, yep.

Mary: Yes. What I observe is a tendency where they have heard intellectually there's a cause...

Well let's even take it back further; they've heard intellectually that a certain course of action probably wouldn't be loving.

Mary: Sure. Okay.

So in other words they're looking at the effect of a certain course of action, and they go, "Well that wouldn't be loving," so what they then choose to do, using their will, they choose to not take that action in the future. [00:46:12.15]

Mary: Yep.

Well that does nothing to the soul. Nothing.

Mary: Now I do that though because I think if I'm...

Can I just correct that? It does one thing to the soul - it just prevents further damage to the soul on taking an action that's out of harmony with love.

Mary: Yeah. So that's why I do it.

Yeah. But it doesn't actually fix the cause of why we wanted to take that action that's out of harmony with love. It doesn't fix that.

Mary: So if I know something's out of harmony with love and I feel a desire to do it, then I do, I say, "I'm not going to do that because I know that's going to lead to more error," but I also know there's a cause within me that drives that desire. [00:46:47.18]

Exactly.

Mary: And unless I heal that then...

Who heals it?

Mary: Well this is exactly where I'm getting to.

Exactly.

Mary: Because I see a lot of us trying to heal the cause so then we can receive the Love. But what you've just said is we receive the Love and that's what...

... what heals the cause.

4.1.2. Humility is required to see and feel our causes

And it's just our willingness and desire and passion to receive the Love to heal that cause and our willingness to see the cause that is the issue. We can't pray for repentance about an issue or a cause that we can't see. We need to see it and feel it. We need to feel how important it is. And when we feel how important it is and how great the issue is, we will desire Love to come and heal that cause.

Mary: Yes. And I just feel this is where we talk a lot about humility and truth being the doorway to love. We must, from what you've just said, be humble to the fact that there's a cause there.

That there's an error in my soul that's out of harmony with love that exists in my soul that is creating all sorts of trouble in my life.

Mary: That has a cause that's creating trouble.

That's got a cause that's creating trouble.

Mary: Yep. So I'm humble to the truth of that.

I'm humble to the truth of that and I have to be willing to see it, willing to notice it, willing to see how bad it is. God's Love can't do any of that for me. I've got to do that.

Mary: I have to be willing to feel what this thing is inside of me.

Exactly.

Mary: Don't I? But, it's not up to me to...

Cure it.

Mary: Cure it. In fact it's going to take me a long, long time to cure it on my own, isn't it?

Well that's the Natural Love Path. If you make it up to you to cure it on the Natural Love Path, you'll cure it eventually, but it might take a hundred years, sometimes with hard issues thousands of years. We've seen people take tens of thousands of years for some issues. So, it's a very slow, laborious process. If you're open in all those ways that I've just mentioned, and you're repentant and humble and you see the cause and you want to change it, you feel the need to change it and you truly desire to change it and pray for God's Love to come and take this cause away from you, then God's Love can do all of that work for you. And it will expose a lot of emotion in that process. You'll have to be willing to feel emotions. You'll have to be willing to cry. You'll have to be willing to go through different feelings; sometimes shame and other emotions too you might have to go through and be willing to experience them. But if you're willing to do all of that, God can just get to that cause really rapidly and erase it. God's Love erases it, and now that cause is not generating any negative effects any more in your life. [00:49:25.14]

Now I suggest to people if they haven't experienced that change, that fairly rapid transformational change, then they're still engaging the Natural Love Path. They don't really understand what the Divine Love Path is.

4.2. We are able to receive God's Love as we release our error

Mary: Yes. I feel a lot of people think, "I have to tip out all the error, then God's Love can enter me," and really what you're saying is it can be a dynamic process where God's Love comes, triggers things, if we're humble the error leaves.

Yeah. If you think about it as an illustration with a glass of water. If I'm willing to tip out error as the stuff's coming, then I don't have to wait for the error to all be gone before I can receive Love. So I gave that illustration, I'm not saying you have to empty the glass completely before you'll receive Love. What I'm saying you have to have a willingness to let go of the error that causes you to not desire the Love and also to not have any faith in God and not have any faith that you'll receive it when you ask, and also to work through the issues of why you resist the Love.

Now obviously if I've got a cap on there, God's Love will never enter. If that's my soul, and I've got a cap on it, and I'm not allowing myself to experience emotions at all, God's Love can never enter. God's Love can only enter by me using my will to open up my soul; that's the operation of prayer, and we'll talk about prayer in a minute. But the operation of prayer is to open up your soul and develop within you a willingness to tip out whatever is there that's out of harmony with the Love. [00:51:07.14]

Mary: And from what you're saying, all I have to do is open my soul, ask for the Love and have a willingness to tip out. And at that moment I can start to receive Love.

Yes.

Mary: Not after I've even done any tipping because as the Love enters me it's going to tip things out at a far more rapid rate.

If I'm willing.

Mary: If I'm willing. So this is the humility part of the equation.

4.3. Continuing to receive Divine Love is dependent upon acting in harmony with the Love we have received

This is the problem; is that people receive some Divine Love, and receive some Divine Love, and receive a little bit more, a little bit more, but the Love is now working against their will. Like when I say that they're willing to receive the Love but they're not willing to operate in harmony with the Love they've received. And when they do that then they stagnate themselves. Then they can't receive any more Divine Love because they're operating in complete disharmony with receiving any more Divine Love. So that is a big issue.

4.4. Being God-reliant

Mary: And on the flip side of that, so there you're talking about people who are not willing to tip out and they're just asking for Love and it gets stagnant because they don't have the willingness to. On the other end I see people trying to tip it out without involving God yet because they feel like it's got to be tipped out before I can get some in. And it's actually doing... [00:52:22.22]

But it's not only for that reason either. I feel for many they're just addicted to self-reliance.

Mary: Well this is what I was going to say. That's self-reliance, isn't it?

Yeah, totally.

Mary: And God-reliance is when we ask for the Love in this process constantly, all the time, we're in the experiment all the time, while we're growing the soul qualities and the soul character that we need to follow the Way, we're always, always asking for the Love.

Yes. Always. And you will know generally when you receive it because there will be emotional periods during the reception of this Love where all of a sudden you become emotional about having received it, and those times are indications that you've received it. Now if you're not receiving it then you're not being honest, you're not being truthful with yourself. You're not being honest about whether you even have a pure desire to receive it. And this is where we need to get down to the other two aspects of Solomon's message.

5. Summary of the importance of Divine Love

So I feel at this point in time, what I would love for everyone to understand is that God's Love is going to have such a powerful effect on your life that you at this point in time cannot even imagine what that powerful effect will be. No amount of words that I give you are ever going to help you understand how important this Love is to you. No amount of words that I can ever say will be able to illustrate to you how important this Love is to your future existence.

So all I can do is assure you that there are literally billions of changes that are going to happen to your soul when you receive Divine Love, and all I can do is reassure that it's the most important thing you could ever, ever engage for your future existence. [00:54:06.09]

So maybe if we could leave that part of Solomon's message there now, the importance of receiving Divine Love. As Solomon correctly says, it is the greatest thing in all of the universe that comes from God. The greatest thing. Now he's talking about greater than everything else you could ever imagine. That's what he's talking about. So it's the greatest thing you could ever do or receive from God.

Mary: And he's telling us that that's what comes from God but on the part of us, in order to get it, we need two things - prayer and faith.

6. Faith

So let's talk about prayer and faith.

Mary: So can we talk about faith first?

Yeah, I feel so. It's important to talk about faith first because without faith prayer won't even be engaged. So we need to have at least some way of developing our faith, or some knowledge of what we're talking about, when we're talking about faith. So we'll be talking about...

Mary: ... what is faith?

Okay, so if we look at faith, or the lack of it. Sometimes looking at the lack of it is a way to measure what it means to help define it. So if we look at the lack of faith, the lack of faith would be that I have no concept whatsoever and no idea that God exists. No concept whatsoever that God's got any Love to give me. No concept whatsoever that my soul can be transformed by receiving Divine Love. No concept whatsoever that there's any process that I can engage with God.

Now ironically, this is the condition that the majority of humanity find themselves in, even if they're religious because they don't understand this Divine Love; the power of the Divine Love. They want to believe in my sacrifice, that it saves them from their sins. Or they want to believe that worshipping six times a day to God is the way to save them from their sins. There are all sorts of practices that people engage in on the planet. [00:56:09.01]

You know if you're looking at a New Age person, they're thinking that there'll be some kind of energy of the universe, which is God - not an entity, but an energy of the universe, that's going to come and somehow transform them in some way. None of that is true.

6.1. Faith needs to be grounded in truth

The problem with all of those belief systems is they prevent us from having any faith in what is true. That's the problem of belief systems.

Mary: So you're saying if we have faith in things that aren't true it actually degrades our faith.

Yeah, it works against the operation of what we need to engage if we're going to receive Divine Love. It doesn't work in harmony with it; it works against it. This is the power of our belief systems. Our belief systems exercised in a direction that's untruthful causes so much opposition to love, and to our concepts, that we don't even try the experiment because we don't believe the experiment exists. And we don't believe we need it.

So if I speak to the average Christian, for example, the average Christian believes the only thing they need to do to get a relationship with God is to believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, and to live in harmony with the moral precepts of what they see is Christianity. That's all they feel they need to do. And I'm saying, no, that is not going to ever make you at-one with God, ever. And the problem with holding on to that belief is that you're probably never going to try to become at-one with God because you're going to hold onto this belief that somebody else has saved you, and created your relationship with God. [00:57:42.06]

For the average Muslim, they believe that praying to Allah regularly every day, living their life in harmony with the moral precepts of the Koran is going to help them become at-one with God. I'm saying, no it won't. No it won't. To become at-one with God you must receive Divine Love. It's the only thing you can do to become at-one with God. You can't do anything else.

The average New Age person believes that they can become at-one with the universe through a process of energetic healing and other things. I'm saying no, I'm sorry; it's not true. You cannot do that; you will never become at-one with God like that. It's pointless even doing that in fact. What I'm saying is that unless you have the correct concept of God, and the correct concepts about God Himself, how will you ever receive enough Love from God, because you'll always imply incorrect concepts to God.

Mary: So you're saying our faith has to be grounded in the truth about God and God's nature?

Exactly. It has to be grounded in truth. And truth is logical, it's not stupid. Truth is not illogical; it makes reasonable sense. I have taught nothing in history that does not make reasonable sense. The reality is the distortions of my teachings, which are contained in the Bible, are totally unreasonable. Of course they make no logical sense and any person who analyses it with a clear mind will see that and so therefore doesn't believe it. And then they assume that that's the God that I'm talking about, and it's not. The God I'm talking about is logical and reasonable. The God I'm talking about is the Creator of our universe; He/She understands everything about the universe, including how we're made. Everything. [00:59:35.11]

Mary: It's not mysterious.

It's not mysterious. And so every time I'm addicted to the mystery I am not connecting to this God, I am not connecting to the Creator of the universe because the Creator of the universe wants to explain everything to us, He wants to give us the truth of everything. And every time we are illogical we are being completely out of harmony with the Creator with the universe because the Creator of the universe is completely logical in every single thing He does.

Mary: So our faith then is based in the truth about God's nature, it's always logical.

Yes.

6.2. To build faith we need to initially take a "risk" based on logic and truth

Mary: And this is the kind of faith that we can hope to build when we're working with...

Well there's another problem with faith, and that is it will build as we grow in a relationship, but why do we begin the relationship?

Mary: Well this is where we have to trust in something.

You've got to trust in something. You've got to take a risk. You've got to take a risk that God is this God that I'm portraying, not this false God that the world's religions have betrayed, not the false God that the world's anti-religions have betrayed, not the false God that people like the New Age movement and other movements like that have portrayed, but rather this God that wants to give you love and have a personal relationship with you. We need to at some point trust that. And if we don't trust it, we'll never begin to develop a desire to pray.

Mary: So you're also then saying that our faith will involve initially a sense of risk?

Yes but it's not a high risk because the logical argument would dictate us taking the risk.

Mary: Well now this is if we engage our intellect to help us, isn't it?

Yes but we have to engage it with a clean slate. We have to engage our intellect, our logical argument, with this feeling inside of us that we're willing to accept the truth even though it's not our religious belief; that we're willing to accept the truth even though the Koran or the Bible or some other book doesn't say it; that we're willing to accept the truth logically that many of these books do not have in them. They have complete illogical arguments about God. And what we need to do is to be able to give up these illogical arguments that we have about God and accept the logical arguments about God. [01:01:59.12]

Mary: And because we have so many emotions attached to our history, to our upbringing, to all of our history and our upbringing...

And our living in a society that approves of us, and all of those issues.

Mary: All of those things are actually attached to different belief systems that we have.

That causes us to believe false things about God. So everything's going to get challenged in this process.

Mary: And this is why I feel engaging the experiment daily can feel challenging and risky and strange.

So again I would argue though that if it feels challenging, risky and strange it's only because of errors that exist in our soul that are emotional that causes us to feel that it's risky, strange and challenging.

Mary: That's what I was trying to say; because we have all these emotions in us, it's going to feel like this.

It's got nothing to do with whether it is actually risky. How can it be risky? The reality is, we've got the Creator of the universe that is saying to us personally, "I want to have a relationship with you," and He's saying to you personally, "I'm a loving person. I'm better than every one of you down there. I'm a better person than any one of you can conceive at this point in time. Trust that I am. Look I created your body, I created things like happiness, love, sex, and other pleasures that you have, surely you can see that if I created such things that I must be better than any one of you?" "Because what are you creating? You go and create pain and suffering and other things; that's what you create. I'm better than that. I'm a better God than that." And God's constantly showing through the universe to us, if we're willing to see, that God is actually far better than what we imagine God to be. [01:03:45.14]

Mary: And really when we have faith in the truth about God we have faith that God's not expecting us to be perfect before He loves us.

No God lets us make mistakes all the time. We'll allowed to make mistakes.

Mary: God's okay with mistakes.

Yeah.

Mary: Now see most people do not have that emotion within them because of their upbringing.

Yeah you can see why in their upbringing because when they were a child every time they made a mistake usually they got punished or humiliated or pulled down in some way, so of course when they become an adult they're just absolutely petrified of making a mistake. God let's us make any mistakes. Why wouldn't a loving parent let you make a mistake, and go, "Oh, now you're receiving the results of that mistake through the law. You're receiving the results of that mistake so change it and don't make the same mistake again"? [01:04:32.18]

Mary: It doesn't mean that you're not going to get the Love.

Exactly.

Mary: And so this I suppose is what faith can give us; is if we have faith that's based in the truth about God's nature, then it challenges the errors that we have inside of us about love automatically. And even though it might feel a little strange, faith will actually give us the will to ask for Love if we feel like we don't know what this is going to be like, we don't even think we deserve it, but faith will actually draw us over that point and begin and have us begin to ask.

Yeah.

Mary: Would you agree with that?

Yep. Can I just stop our discussion for a moment?

Solomon Message Discussion: Part 2

Well we just had a break and Mary needed to have a cry so she's gone and done that, which is great, and we'll get started again on this issue of faith because it's the issue of faith that we wanted to discuss a fair bit.

7. Faith (continued)

Having a good understanding about what faith is and how we can develop faith is an essential part of developing our relationship with God. So what I wanted to perhaps begin with, with this issue of faith, is how our emotional concept of God, not our intellectual concept of God, is going to determine how much faith we have to actually develop a longing or a desire to receive God's Love.

So the problem that we face is this. At the beginning we have no faith in God, we have no concept that God has Love to give, we have no concept that God even exists most of the time, we have no personal feeling that God exists sometimes. We might have a personal feeling God exists but we've got no idea how to connect with God, even if we do have a feeling that God exists. We might have a whole heap of false beliefs about God, a whole heap of false beliefs about love, a whole heap of false beliefs about what is truthful and what is the best thing to do, a whole heap of false beliefs about humility, and these of course are going to colour what we do with faith.

So rather than trying to individually get rid of every one of those things that I've just mentioned - our false concept of God, our false concept of faith, our false concept of ourselves, our false concept of truth and all of untruths that we've imbibed over our life, we can actually put all of that aside for a moment and we can focus primarily on developing faith.

7.1. Developing faith that God is loving is necessary before we can long for God's Love

Now there are a few key things we need to have faith about, and they all involve God. You are not going to have a longing for God when you don't have any kind of even intellectual concept of God that is in harmony with the truth about God.

So if I can give some examples. If I don't have the faith that God is merciful and gracious and does not have anger, then I will believe probably that God would be more like my parent, like my father perhaps, who was angry at times, and was often not merciful, and was often not gracious with me as a child. Now while I hold on to those particular concepts, I don't have to release those concepts about my earthly father, but I do have to see logically that God can't be that person before I'll develop any longing to actually want God's Love in my life. [00:03:05.15]

So in other words, while I'm holding on to this concept that God is this wrathful and punishing God, just like my daddy was, I am actually going to not have a desire, a longing, to receive God's Love in my soul while I'm holding on to that concept. I've got to give up this concept inside of myself somehow.

Mary: So when you say give it up, what does that mean?

When I say give it up, I don't have to give it up the concept that my father was wrathful, and that he was sometimes ungracious and he was sometimes unmerciful with me. What I need to do is give up the concept that God's the same as my father in order to actually have a sincere longing for God's Love to enter. I need to at least see the potentiality logically that God is not the same as my father.

Mary: So I'm opening myself to possibilities initially.

Exactly. I'm humble enough to open myself to the new concept about God that I didn't have before. You see unfortunately most of the holy books on Earth, such as the Koran and the Bible, explain the concept of a wrathful God too. So I'm actually going to have to confront my belief in the Bible and my belief in the Koran to do this, because I'm going to have to see at some point that no, God is only a God of love. Why would I want love from somebody who's not loving? If I believe God is not loving and God's got wrath and potentially destroys people, and in the Bible and the Koran there are examples of God doing that without there even being a good reason (laughs), that of course causes me to have a lot of fear about God rather than a desire for God. [00:05:11.03]

And of course there is a Christian concept that I must have a fear of God. In fact I just answered an email last week from a chap who said that I should fear God, and I'm saying no, no, I don't fear God at all. Why would I ever fear God? God's a god of love. I don't need to fear anybody who really loves me, ever. So these concepts will need to be at least challenged in my mind before I will engage a process of longing for love from the Being who I believed was all of these things that are untrue. If I let myself feel, no, God is a god of love. No, God doesn't want to punish me every time I make a mistake. God knows that God's Laws sort out all of that. God just feels compassion for me when I make a mistake. God's merciful, and so when I am repentant, mercy comes from God.

These are all principles I need to start to understand, and this is why I constructed what is called the Lord's Prayer, which has been vastly modified in the Bible. But I constructed the real Lord's Prayer in such a way to actually expose in the individual their false concepts of themselves and God.

7.2. Faith begins with a logical intellectual concept

Mary: And so what you're describing here is the beginning of faith. This is what faith is initially.

Initially it's just a logical intellectual concept.

Mary: A logical intellectual concept, but I also heard you mention we're opening our heart based on that concept. Is that right?

We're deciding to take the risk of our heart based on logic, based on the fact that we have a logical intellectual concept of God, which is different to our own emotional concept of God, and also different to our own emotional concept of our current human parents. So what we're doing is we're saying, I realise inside of me I do believe all these bad things about God, I believe that I'm angry with God and I'm upset about this and I'm upset about all these different things, and I need to understand that this is in my soul. I do need to. And I need to allow the expression of these particular things that are in my soul if they're ever going to be released, and I need to have the humility to release them.

However, I also need to hold on, at least initially intellectually, to the concept that God is different to the person I feel God to be. I feel God is wrathful, and sometimes I might even want God to be wrathful, there are a lot of people on the planet who want God to be wrathful; they want God to come and punish everybody else other than them. They want God to be wrathful. And I'm going to have to give up that concept at some point if I really want to continue receiving Divine Love from God.

8. To receive Divine Love we need to give up false concepts of God

To receive Divine Love from God I have to have a belief that is at least in harmony with the love being received, and if my belief is that God's not a god of love, then I can't have a longing for God's Love. If my belief is that God's going to be punishing to me, then I can't receive Divine Love under those circumstances because my concept that I'm holding onto with my will is in direct disharmony with the Love itself from entering me. [00:08:38.08]

Mary: One of the things on that point that I had written down here was that faith is believing a right viewpoint of God.

Exactly.

Mary: It's having a belief or exercising our desire even to believe the truth about God, which are the good things about God actually. (Laughs)

Exactly. We must exercise our intellect at least to see the logic and to see the truth that God exists in the manner that we are not accustomed to, but in the new manner. God is different to the person we believe God to be. We need to understand that and if we don't ever understand it, and we're not even willing to intellectually see the difference, then we're never going to open our heart to the difference.

8.1. An example of Christians with the false belief that God is punishing and wrathful

So to give an example, we get a lot of orthodox Christians emailing us, condemning me and condemning all of the teachings that I'm teaching, and stating to me categorically over and over again that God is a God of wrath, He's going to punish the wicked, and He's going to punish me. Now of course I don't believe that because I have a relationship with God, and I know God's never going to punish me for my actions taken that are in harmony with love. God is never going to punish me for that. And God's not going to punish me for mistakes I make unless the mistakes are out of harmony with love; then the laws of God correct me. And I don't even see that as a punishment, I just see it as correction, where God's correcting me from my mistakes. I don't see that God's being a punishing God under those circumstances, I see that God's just providing me correction here, providing me correction there, and if I'm willing to accept the correction then I'll have a completely different experience with God. [00:10:29.20]

But they're telling me that God's going to punish me and destroy me and I've got to repent. And then they tell me all the beliefs I should accept about God, which are all about God being a god of wrath. In fact the whole idea that God's going to destroy me for making mistakes is all about a God of wrath.

Now this is why they can't receive Love; because they have a false belief about God in that moment and in that moment they're not acting in harmony with love. If they acted in harmony with love they wouldn't act in harmony with this false belief, they'd realise the truth - hang on a sec, what I'm telling Jesus is that he's going to be destroyed... and of course they don't believe I'm Jesus, they believe I'm Alan John Miller and a usurper, but they're telling Alan John Miller that he's going to be destroyed for being loving and telling the truth, and preaching concepts of love. In fact one Christian this week told me that every single time I talk about love, it's pointless because I'm not Jesus, and I claim that I am. And because I'm claiming that I am all of the other works that I do are pointless. That's what he told me.

And I'm going, yeah, you don't understand God at all because everything is about love for God. My desire to share about love is about love. My motivations are loving. I'm not afraid of God under those circumstances. Why would I ever be afraid of God? If God's a god of love, and all God does is ever correct me, all I do is wait for correction, and this is not the correction that I need to take because he's telling me that God's not a god of love. He's telling me God's something else, somebody else that I know God isn't.

Now, while that man who did that accepts God as being a wrathful god, and accepts that God's going to destroy the wicked at some point in the future, which is not true, and it's never going to be true, that man prevents himself from receiving more Love. His belief is out of harmony with the person who's giving the Love. And as such the Love can't flow.

So he needs to have some faith, he needs to give up his beliefs in the Bible being God's Word on this matter, and he needs to accept that, no, God's not a god of wrath, God's not a god who's going to punish us for every mistake that we make. God is not vindictive. God's not going to torment me in hell. God's not going to place me in hell so that Satan can torment me either, by the way. God is a god of love, and if I go to God with that underlying feeling in my soul, now I've got the ability to receiving some of that Love. And this is where we must have faith that God is different to the person that we've been taught God is. [00:13:23.24]

8.2. An example of the false belief that we have to be perfect to receive God's Love

Mary: And if we take an example, say from Joanne Blogs, you've given an example there of where someone believes in a very angry, punishing God, and that's actually not basing their faith in anything truthful.

Exactly.

Mary: A lot of other people might feel that God is loving.

They say God's loving, and they say that and believe God's loving.

Mary: Yeah. But they feel they themselves are not good enough yet.

They're not loveable.

Mary: They're not loveable. I'm bringing this example because...

It's something you've felt yourself.

Mary: It's something that I've felt myself. Yeah. Now what I find interesting about that belief is that we're basing our faith on the fact that we believe God is loving; it's just I'm the problem, which actually turns into a reflection onto God, doesn't it?

Totally.

Mary: It's saying that God only loves perfect people or worthy people.

Exactly. Or people who don't make mistakes.

Mary: So it turns into a faith that is based on untruth about God.

Well it's an untruth about love too, that love can't be given to anybody who's not perfect. That's the belief really; that you've got to try to be perfect and then you'll get love. And I understand why people have that because that's the belief they have with their daddies and mummies. That was the condition under which they received love when they were growing up, but that's not the condition under which we receive Love from God.

Mary: And then it actually prevents us acting in faith, asking for Love, because we're actually trying to make ourselves perfect before we ask for the Love.

Yes. If I have a belief in my heart that I have to be perfect before God will love me, then I'm not going to desire God's Love when I'm not perfect. That's the sad thing about it. But it's when we're not perfect that we need more of God's Love.

Mary: And then we end up in this self-reliance thing you talked about earlier, where we're trying to fix ourselves, before we even ask, before we even act in faith.

And remember we said right at the beginning of this conversation that fixing ourselves is a long, drawn out, natural love process, and allowing God's Love to transform our soul is a short process that deals with the causes. So while I'm exercising my will by saying, "Well no I've got to be perfect and not make mistakes before God's going to love me," I am actually on the Natural Love Path, even though I might believe in all of the concepts of Divine Truth, I might believe that God is love, and I might believe that because God is love all of these different things are true, and all those kind of beliefs that are basically just intellectual at this point in my head, they're not in my heart because I haven't received Divine Love to know them in my heart. And because of all of that, I'm just still on the Natural Love Path. I'm still engaging this process where I believe I have to rely on myself to get into a condition before God's going to love me. No.

If you truly understood God's Love, you'd understand that God already loves you, right now, no matter how dark and evil and no matter what you've done in your life and no matter how bad everyone else thinks you are, God loves you, and God's waiting to give you this Love, but it is reliant on you just opening your soul to receive it. And while you hold onto this concept that you're not good enough, you can't receive it because that's not God's concept of you. To receive Divine Love I have to be in harmony with the truth of God's concept of me. Even intellectually.

Mary: That's what I was going to say. Because I've heard that statement initially and I've thought, "Okay I have to get into harmony with how God feels about me. Emotionally I have to do that before I'll receive the Love," but that's skipping over faith, isn't it?

It is skipping over faith but also it is true that you will have to release some emotions in order to have a sincere desire to ask for Love when you feel bad about yourself. So my suggestion to a person who feels bad about themselves is, feel bad about yourself, have a good cry about how bad you are, but understand with your mind at least that God will still give you Love even though you're bad if you ask for it.

Mary: And I suppose my experience is that if I act in faith and ask for the Love then all of the feelings that I have that I don't deserve it or that I'm not worth it or I'm not perfect enough...

... they'll all come up.

Mary: They actually come up more profoundly and intensely than if I just tried to feel it on my own and get up the courage to act in faith and ask God for Love.

Yes.

Mary: So it seems like using our will too in faith seems to...

Even what you've said, "Get up the courage to ask for God's Love; that is a blasphemy towards God in a way because it's a belief about God that says that we need to be afraid of God somehow. So it itself is a statement of an error that exists in the soul and that needs to be released. Now when you receive some of the Love from God you realise there was no risk. (Laughter) There was no risk doing that. [00:18:38.18]

8.3. We cannot receive Divine Love if we do not ask, or if we ask insincerely

Mary: For me, the scariest thing would be to ask for love and not receive it because I would view that as something about myself but that's actually skipping over the truth that God always is going to love me if I ask for it sincerely, isn't it?

Yeah but if you think you're asking for it and you don't receive it, which is a possibility. A lot of people do that. They receive it, and then the emotion comes up: I'm not worthy to receive it. Understand that while that's an emotion you need to feel, that it's not the truth from God's perspective. The way God feels is if you ask me for Love, I'm going to give you some. That's how God feels. I have to wait till you ask because you have to exercise your will, and I can't give it to you when you haven't exercised your will because that would be forcing you, and I don't want to force you. My Love will never force you. But if you ask, I will always give it. That's the underlying belief.

Mary: So you're really saying there are two categories of people. People who think they're asking and not receiving and then there are people, like me, where they don't even ask.

They're not even asking.

Mary: Because I just feel like I'm not going to get it.

Exactly.

Mary: Because I'm already judging myself so much.

And of course you can't get it under those circumstances because you're not asking.

Mary: Exactly!

That's the only reason why. It's not because you're bad. (Laughs) It's because you're not asking. [00:20:05.20]

Mary: It's sort of like two camps who don't receive God's Love - the ones who never actually ask, and the ones who tell themselves they're asking but they're...

But they're arrogant and proud and they've got a heap of blockages which are out of harmony with love that cause them to not receive. So if we analyse why people don't receive Divine Love, both of those are the reasons. They're the only two reasons in fact why we don't receive Divine Love. One is because we have a feeling inside of us that we won't ask, that's one reason why, and the other reason why is because we think we're asking and we're just being arrogant and we have heaps of blocks that we're not being open to. That's the only other reason why we would not receive Divine Love when we ask. So which one is it? (Laughs) That's the question we need to ask ourselves when we ask for Divine Love, or we think we're asking for Divine Love and we're not receiving it. [00:21:00.20]

8.4. False concepts about God prevent us from praying for God's Love

So the reality is that we have this concept of God that is deeply flawed, and as a result of the deep flaws that we have in our concept of God, we lack faith in God, and because we lack faith we do not engage prayer. And prayer is the thing that opens our soul to the reception of Love. Prayer is the longing towards God, the desire for God's Love to enter my soul. When I lack faith in God I don't have a longing for God, so I don't pray. I won't pray. I'll refuse to pray.

Most of us are refusing to pray and then we're going, "I'm on the Divine Love Path." How can you be on the Divine Love Path when you're refusing to pray and you're not receiving Divine Love? You're on the Natural Love Path. You're not on the Divine Love Path. When you're on the Divine Love Path you'll want this relationship with God as your number one priority. That's why I said in the first century, when I was asked what are the things that you would say to us as the most important things for our life? "Love God with your whole heart, your whole soul, your whole mind, and your whole strength." Have a concept of God as to why you would love as well. Don't believe that God is wrath. Don't believe that God is punishing. Don't believe any of these things - they're all false.

And every time you hold on to the belief of these things you are not going to pray. You are not going to have a longing for God. You're better off, if you feel angry with God, go out and have a bash and yell and scream and swear at God. Get it out of your system. Get it out of your feelings so that you can go to God with a sincere feeling - I do want to receive Love from you because I know that you're not the God that I imagined you to be. [00:24:12.22]

8.5. Allowing God to guide us through our emotional blockages to God

Mary: Would you say that any time we just really open ourselves sincerely towards God, whatever feeling we encounter is going to be the block to why we're not even asking or praying?

Exactly. Yeah.

Mary: But a lot of us even have fear of doing that, don't we?

Yes. So emotional processing, if we can call it such a thing, is actually very simple. When I long for God's Love to enter, there will be a fear that comes up or some other false belief that comes up inside of my soul, and there's the emotion. Pretty easy. Feel that one and you'll have some more of God's Love enter you, take away the causes that are inside of you, and then those causes won't motivate future events as long as you live in harmony with the love that exists inside of you already, as long as you choose that.

Now if you choose to act in fear, then of course you're not living in harmony with the Love that's there already, so work through your fear. Let yourself feel your fear so that you don't honour your fear, you honour the Love. You honour the Love even though you're afraid. That's what a person who receives Divine Love does. A person who doesn't receive Divine Love honours their fear every single time, whatever love they have, they honour their fear every single time. A person who receives Divine Love and is sincere in their relationship with God receives Divine Love, feels the Love motivating them down a certain point, feels the fear get triggered, and then of course they go, "Okay, what's wrong here? It's not the love. It's the fear; that's the thing I need to throw out here." So I let myself feel it. I experience it; throw it out the window by experiencing it. Allow yourself to experience the fear, allow yourself to shake and do whatever you need to experience the fear and hold on to the Love, hold on to the Love that you've received. Base every decision that you make upon the Love that you've received. [00:26:01.19]

Mary: And even if we haven't yet received the Love on the faith that we've just been discussing.

Yes. Base your decisions on the faith of the truth; God's not a punishing God. God is always loving. God is not a wrathful God. God is not wanting to hold all my mistakes against me. God wants to forgive me. I just need to enter the state where that's possible. That's all I need to do. That's the exercise of my will. That's me having faith in God's nature. I need to have faith in God's true nature. I need to believe or at least intellectually start accepting the truth about God. And whenever I notice an emotion in me that's completely opposite to that, I need to experience it, I need to get rid of it, I need to release it. If I release that emotion now my longing will be strong.

So if I'm angry with God, instead of suppressing it, go out and bash something and swear and scream at God and carry on for as long as it takes for you to get rid of that emotion. Don't sit on it. Don't try to hold it at bay because you're afraid that God will punish you further for expressing it. Don't do any of those things. Let go of the emotion so that you can come to God and feel like you want Love from God. So you feel like you want it.

And if you have an emotion "I'm not worthy"; now you know that's not true. Intellectually you might know it's not true, you're being told it's not true, it is not true. God feels that every one of Her children are worthy to receive Love no matter whether they're in the deepest, darkest hells or in the pinnacle so far in the reception of God's Love. God knows that every one of them is deserving receiving the same amount of God's Love. So if we know that at least intellectually, we won't stop asking God for more Love just because we feel bad about ourselves. We don't do that. And we don't ask God for more Love because we feel bad about ourselves. We won't do that either. We'll ask God for more Love because we have a strong desire to receive it. We want this relationship with God established.

9. Benefits of receiving Divine Love (continued)

9.1. Faith grows as we receive more Divine Love

This is what it means to have faith in the truth about God. This is the kind of faith we need to develop. Now obviously as we receive more Love, and the causes of any disharmonious things within us get released as a result of receiving the Love, the Love dissolves those particular causes, then of course we'll have more faith after the process begins. But right at the beginning we probably have none whatsoever, and that's something we must work on and establish. Learn about the truth; learn of the truth about God. The truth about God is completely different to what the world's religions are teaching you. The truths about God are completely the opposite in fact of what the world's religions are teaching you.

So that I suppose then bring us to the prayer, doesn't it? Do you have any more questions, babe, about the faith?

Mary: No I was just going to say that Solomon even says in his message that Love will come to you and with it faith, so we exercise the faith and we pray, then the Love comes, we get more faith.

And we get more faith. Yeah. Because we're now having the experience with God that we feel and whenever you have an experience you can feel, your faith exponentially grows. So instead of it being now just a logical intellectual concept of truth that we've based our faith upon, now we know it to be true because we've experienced something that tells us that it's true as well as the logical concept. The logical concept is still existing but now there's the addition of the experience, which of course will grow more faith. It's a natural result.

Mary: So it's the beginning of this process it's like the first hurdle to get over to really begin to develop this faith before we receive the Love, then it grows and sort of fosters itself as it goes along.

Exactly.

9.2. We automatically become more loving as we receive more Divine Love

As we receive more Love and we act in harmony with that Love our faith continues to grow and obviously the causal emotions get removed, so it's easier to act in harmony with the faith; the more Love that we've received from God the easier it becomes to act in harmony with the Love that we've received. Not harder. It's not like a struggle for the rest of my life, as the Christian religion would teach you. It's not like that at all. It becomes easier and easier and easier to act in harmony with the Love because we have more love in our soul as a result. [00:30:33.18]

Mary: And it's not an intellectual process, is it? You just naturally act in harmony with the Love so it's effortless even.

It's effortless and done without even thought. You don't even think about the decision you made because it's a natural decision. Because the nature of your soul has changed to become more loving, it's natural for the soul to make the more loving decision every single time.

If it's not natural for the soul to make a more loving decision, then you haven't actually changed. You have just imbibed an intellectual belief that has yet to touch your soul; that has yet to change you. And it's an indication that you're not receiving Divine Love as well if you have to struggle all the time to live in harmony with the Love then it means that you haven't received it because if you receive it, it is not a struggle to act in harmony with it. It's an automatic process to act in harmony with it.

9.2.1. An example of automatically becoming more truthful when we receive Divine Love

So for example when I talk to people about telling the truth, if it's a struggle to tell the truth, then you've not received enough Love yet to enter you into the second sphere of the spirit world from God. Because in the second sphere of the spirit world you learn that it's not a struggle to tell the truth when you have enough love in your soul. So that means if you're still struggling with telling the truth, not enough Love has entered you for you to enter the second sphere. So go, "Okay, that's because of my lack of faith and longing for it. It's not because of I'm a bad person, it's not because I've made mistakes, it's not because of some badness that I did in the past, it's not because of any of those things." [00:32:11.13]

Mary: "It's not because of my parents and I'm a victim".

Yeah. It's not because of any of my parent's emotions even. It's not because of any of the emotions inside of me that I still need to release. It's because I have yet to receive enough Love from God that would have changed all of these things in my soul and once I acted in harmony with that Love, I would have to speak the truth. I couldn't avoid it. I couldn't try to get away. And every time I didn't speak the truth I'd go, "Argh, that's terrible, I can't do that ever again." That's what will happen because it will be a natural state of the soul to tell the truth. And then we won't be asking questions about, "When should I tell the truth? Why should I tell the truth in that situation?" We won't even ask any of those questions because all the love in our soul dictates every answer automatically. We don't have to struggle, we don't have to question, we don't have to do any of those things; it's an automatic response that we're going to enter every single time.

9.3. Divine Love exposes our emotional errors

So I feel it's very important for people to understand this role of faith, and very important for people to understand that the Love does the transformational work. So if we understand that Love from God, the greatest thing in the universe that I've discovered, enters the soul, does the transformational work on the soul, and my job, if I have one, is to allow it in, to long for it to come in. And anything that's inside of me that stops me from longing for it come in, I need to have some real focus on letting it go instead of holding onto it.

Mary: Because it's true, isn't it, as the love enters me, there's a disharmony between it and any unlovingness within me.

Yes.

Mary: And so that unlovingness is actually resistance to Love entering me.

It is.

Mary: So as it enters me I'm willing to just experience that unlovingness, or the pain or whatever, the fear...

And go into a state of repentance for the unlovingness we've previously taken, yep.

Mary: Because it's sort of like the Divine Love is a flashlight on all of a sudden, whoa! You can feel it suddenly really strongly.

A great big bright light on the problem.

Mary: Yeah. And if we're willing to feel that then...

And we've got to be willing to feel. So that's the humility. We've got to be willing to feel.

Mary: Yep. Then we've removed another resistance to receiving the Love.

Exactly. But God's Love transforms the cause of what caused our sinful behaviour. It's not us that are actually transforming our soul anymore, as it is on the Natural Love Path. On the Divine Love Path, God's Love is transforming our soul and we're just willing and humble about going through the process with God. We're willing to see when we're out of harmony with truth. We're humble about whenever we obviously have an untruth. We don't try to fight for it; we're willing to see it. We're willing to feel it inside of us, feel the unloving feelings that are inside of us as a result of that. We can feel that because they've just been exposed to us, and we go, "Wow, yeah I do feel that. Wow", and we see it as a problem. We see it as something that we need to address and be willing to release. [00:35:24.06]

Mary: So it's sort of like the contrast between God's Love and what's inside of us helps build the impetus or the knowledge of the error.

Exactly.

Mary: Whereas if we do it on our own on the Natural Love Path, we're having to bumble our way along, use our intellect, analyse this; "It this unloving? Is this loving? Gee it's hard to tell because I've got this emotion from my parents. They said it was loving but now that I think..." Whereas God is like this big massive spotlight torch onto this thing and we can feel, "Wow. The contrast between this love and this thing inside of me..."

"... is so great."

Mary: "It's so great. It's..."

And what am I going to choose to do?

Mary: Yeah.

Now this is where we need to use our will because what a lot of people do when they have a spotlight of God's Love put on something in their soul, they fight for their soul retaining the error. And that is using your soul in complete disharmony with Love you've just received. If you were in harmony with the Love you received you'd see the error, notice the error, feel the error and become repentant for the error. And in that process then God's Love can enter you about that error, and make that error clean. [00:36:33.17]

Now unless we engage that process that error will remain in us, unless we go through a process of natural love where we slowly, slowly try to work through the error and eventually release it. What I'm suggesting is you don't have to do that. If you're humble, you can see the error immediately when you've received Divine Love, any new error that's exposed, and you can ask for God to forgive that error too. You can ask for God's Love to come and do its transformational work on that error and get rid of that error for you as well. And once that error is gone, all of the sins that you would have committed, all the things you would have done, had that error retained within you, can no longer be performed. And as a result of that, you're not going to cause further damage to yourself or other people because you're allowed God's Love to do the transformation.

Mary: Okay. So this begins with faith...

So yeah, if we look at it all, the whole process begins with God's Love really, but in terms of ourselves, it begins with faith. We have to have at least some faith in God and God's goodness and God's Love otherwise we'll never ask for it. Yeah. So it begins with faith.

Mary: Begins with faith and this other element, which leads us into prayer.

Exactly.

10. Prayer

Mary: So shall we talk about prayer now?

Now let's look at the physical operation of prayer.

10.1. Prayer opens our soul to the reception of Divine Love

What the physical operation of prayer does is it exposes the soul to the inflow of Love. That's what it does, physically. In other words before prayer is engaged, there is no desire in the soul for the reception of Love. So you could say that our soul is closed. We're saying to God, "No, no, stay away from me, God. I'm not going to let any of You into me." That's really what we're saying. Before we engage prayer, we're exercising our will to not have any of God enter us.

When we start prayer, when we pray, it has two operations actually. One is that it opens up our own soul to the reception of Love. By having a desire and longing for Love to enter us, our soul becomes open to the Love's reception. Before then our soul is not open to the Love's reception. Now this prayer is a desire or a passionate longing for God's Love to enter us. It's not an intellectual thought; it's a feeling that exists within us that we desperately would love to have God's Love enter us. It's a passionate longing-based desire. And it has the effect of opening our soul and preparing our soul for the inflow of the Love. It also has the subsequent effect of connecting us to the conduit of Love, which is the Holy Spirit. So in other words, it draws out of God the desire for Love to flow as well to us. [00:39:49.06]

So in other words, God is saying to us, "I cannot try to give you My Love because to try to give you My Love while you're not wanting to receive would be an imposition against your will. I can't do that." So the Holy Spirit is with God under those circumstances. God's Spirit, which is the conduit through which the Love will flow, is with God. But when we have a longing directed towards God of prayer, it's like sucking this conduit to our selves, to our soul, and we get this beautiful connection then, which is the connection with the Holy Spirit, driven by our desire for receiving Love. And once the Holy Spirit connects with our soul, now the Love can flow.

10.2. Prayer petitions God's Soul to give us Divine Love

So you could say the second operation is the response of God's Soul to our longing. You see God does not respond to a soul that does not having longing or desire. And there's a very good reason; because if God responded to the souls that did not have longing and desire God would be imposing Love upon them, which would be breaking the principles of free will. So God cannot respond to the souls of people who do not have a desire for God. That makes sense of course.

So, from our perspective when we pray, when we have a sincere longing to God for Love, we pray. Not only does it have the first primary effect of opening our own soul to the potential of reception of Divine Love, but it also has the effect of petitioning God's Soul for the reception. In other words, God's going, "Wow, there's a person! There's a person! There's a person who wants some Love from me". And God is very excited about that, of course, because most people initially on the planet have no idea that they can long for God and soon as God feels this longing from you, this sincere longing, God's Holy Spirit instantly responds to the person - bang! And Love begins to flow. [00:41:58.19]

Now this Love flowing will cause the person to potentially go into other emotions because as soon as the Love starts flowing, it starts highlighting other emotional areas that are out of harmony with Love inside the person. And if the person's humble they'll probably start crying. They'll probably have a good cry, and a big response to the flow of the Love inside of them. But as soon as they stop praying it closes up the soul again. And so God's Holy Spirit now has to withdraw, if you like, back to God, waiting for the sincere longing to come from the soul.

When the longing comes from the soul, and it's sincere, it opens up again. Now my heart, my soul is receptive to the reception of Love and because this longing is going to God, the petition to God's Soul is: please give me the Love, and God's Soul automatically and instantly responds to this longing in my heart. Automatically and instantly. It's not something that God gives you two weeks later or anything like that. It's an instant response to the prayer, the supplication going towards God to receive Love.

Then let's say I've received it and I'm becoming overwhelmed emotionally and I decide to close it all down because I'm overwhelmed emotionally, now I'm all closed again. Now God's Holy Spirit's got to withdraw back to God again, waiting for the next opportunity for the Love to flow. And obviously the more I can open it, and the longer periods which I can stand it being opened, in other words I allow myself to be more emotionally overwhelmed by the process, the more Love I'm going to receive. Until such a point that I'm always open and always longing, and that point will be when you're at-one with God.

10.3. Receiving Divine Love is emotionally overwhelming

Mary: And you mentioned that it's overwhelming emotionally.

Yes.

Mary: And it is always overwhelming emotionally.

Of course. It is a Love that does not exist in your own soul. Of course it's going to overwhelm you every time. It's a Love that stretches your soul. It changes and transforms you soul. It's going to overwhelm you every time. You cannot not be overwhelmed by it. It's impossible to not be overwhelmed by God's Love entering your soul, no mater what condition you're in because God's Love is infinite. So it is infinite in terms of its largeness, that means it doesn't matter how developed you are, you might be in the 7th sphere, the 20th sphere, whatever sphere you're in, it doesn't really matter; whenever you receive it you're going to be overwhelmed because God's Love is always bigger and brighter and more happier than you are currently. And as a result of that you are always going to feel overwhelmed. [00:44:54.00]

Now we need to get used to being overwhelmed emotionally. That's one of the things we learn on the path, that you become used to the fact that you get overwhelmed, and it's okay. You become okay with it. You don't try to fight it all the time. You don't try to prevent it. And in fact, you love it because it feels alive and you feel connected with God in particular and yourself in that moment. And so you keep it open for as long as possible. And eventually you'll keep it open all the time, once all the errors have flowed out and all the pain and suffering has gone as a result of the errors that are flowing out of the soul; once all the pain and suffering has been released now you'll be able to keep it open all the time with no pain and suffering involved. There's still though the feeling of being overwhelmed so you need to allow yourself to be overwhelmed as much as possible. And then of course God's Love will continue flowing even after you've at-onement with God, you'll continue to grow and continue to grow.

And I feel that's the process of prayer. That's the operation of prayer.

10.4. Faith enables sincere prayer

Mary: That's the operation. And so Solomon is saying basically you need faith.

You need faith because you'll never engage prayer without faith.

Mary: From what you've just said faith is actually the thing that enables us to have this opening because...

The willingness to take a risk with our soul.

Mary: Yeah. And we're risking the truth about God really, we're risking to learn another truth and to enter this relationship.

Yeah. And when I say the word "risk", I'm saying it's not a risk but from our perspective it may be one because we've closed down our souls a lot, generally. We've had a lot of dark and damaging things happen to us over our life on Earth many times. We've risked our heart in the past and most of us have gotten hurt through what we believed love to be, and as a result of that we do feel that this relationship with God is a risk.

The reality is, how can a relationship with the Universal Creator who loves us intensely ever be a risk? It can't be ever a risk, and any risk that we feel in the relationship is obviously in error. But it is a feeling we'll need to feel. [00:47:04.19]

Mary: Yeah. And especially initially it's sort of a feeling that comes up.

It's usually a large feeling.

Mary: The fear that's inside of us.

Exactly. Yep.

Mary: But so from what you just said though, faith is the thing that enables us to have sincere prayer that's based in truth about God.

Yes.

Mary: And it's that kind of prayer with faith that allows God's Love to enter us.

Well because prayer has those two effects. So that's the important thing to remember; it has the effect of opening the soul to the reception of Love; in other words, the souls taking the risk, if we can conceive it that way, and also the desire draws God's Soul to us. It draws God desiring this connection with us. And God existing outside of this universe can, through this connection, pump us full of Divine Love because we've now sent a message to God and our soul is actually physically open to the reception of that Love.

And the message we're sending to God is our desire; our pure desire is the message to God that God's Soul responds to; that God wants to respond to because He can feel the longing coming from you. And it's God's desire to respond to such longings, every single time. [00:48:33.07]

Mary: And this is why Solomon told us these are the greatest truths.

Of course.

Mary: Because this amazing dynamic commences; prayer and faith are now a part, the Love of God from God, and suddenly what you talked about in the beginning transformation begins to happen.

11. The Prayer for Divine Love

Yes. So I suppose now the question becomes, well okay what correct views of God and ourselves are required in order for us to have some faith and therefore to have a greater longing for God? So perhaps if we just go through the prayer that I gave Padgett, which is the prayer that I also gave the first century disciples, you'll see that the prayer itself explains every truth that we need in order to have a desire for God that comes from a condition of faith.

So if we read through the prayer, and we've taken a modern translation of the prayer here, and what we've done is put it in the first person so that it's something that I'm saying to God, rather than we are saying, and as we look through this you'll see the primary beliefs about God and ourselves that we need to engage in order to have some faith, in order to receive Divine Love. So if we read paragraph by paragraph perhaps. [00:49:51.08]

Mary: Sure.

If you want to start with the first one and then we can explain the concepts of God that are explained in each paragraph.

11.1. God is all holy, loving and merciful

Mary: "My Father, who is in heaven, I recognise that you are all holy and loving and merciful and that I am Your child and not the subservient, sinful and depraved creature that false teachers would have me believe."

Okay. There's already a lot in the first paragraph, isn't there? If we look at it we can see what are we saying about God? That God is all holy; in other words God is pure and loving and merciful. God feels a feeling of mercy towards us.

Mary: So these are the qualities in God that we can begin to have faith in.

That's right. We need to at least have faith that God is holy, that God is pure, and God is loving and God is merciful before we'll actually develop within ourselves a desire to long for God's Love because otherwise you think what's the opposite of holy? You think God's some dirty creature.

Mary: Flawed.

And the opposite to loving? Someone who hates us. And is not merciful, or the opposite of merciful.

Mary: Punishing.

Someone who wants to punish us and until we're into smithereens, as the hell fire teaching basically tells you. That kind of belief system is completely the opposite of our ability to receive Divine Love. So while we're accepting that belief inside of ourselves, we're not going to receive very much Divine Love because it's completely the opposite of the truth about God; that God is merciful. [00:51:26.09]

11.2. We are children of God, and not subservient, sinful or depraved

And then there's the second part of it, which is what we are.

Mary: And it's important, isn't it, because these statements about us relate to God also.

They relate to our concept of God. That's correct.

Mary: So the second part says that I am your child.

So I'm not some self-made God, and I'm not some insignificant person, I am actually God's child. Yep.

Mary: And not the subservient, sinful and depraved creature that false teachers would have me believe.

So there's a lot of truth in that. You are not subservient. You are equal to every other child. You are not sinful by nature; you're only sinful by your own decisions. You're not sinful by nature. And you're not depraved by nature; you're only depraved through your own decisions. These are very important points. And also this concept that the false teachers would have me believe; well why would a teacher want me to believe that I am bad? Isn't that so that they could control me? Of course they want us to believe bad things about ourselves so that they can control us. Any person who wants you to believe something bad about yourself that's not true is just wanting to control you in the end. [00:52:47.16]

Mary: Yeah. So this is equally important really, that we begin to have faith that God is holy, loving and merciful but also that we are His Child, and that we're not these terrible things that false teachers and people in our past have led us to believe.

Exactly. Because if we say that we are subservient and sinful and depraved, and subservient here also means subservient to God; God didn't create us to be subservient to God, God created us to exercise our own will in harmony with love. They are two very different states. So whenever we believe we are subservient or sinful and depraved, we're actually making a comment about God as well as ourselves. We're saying that God created a creature that is depraved by nature, and we're saying that God created a creature that is sinful by nature, and that God created a creature only for God's own pleasure.

Now if I had a child only for my pleasure, I'd be called narcissistic and stupid, and also probably I'd be classified as someone who's quite dark in their treatment of the child. And that's what we're doing with God by saying that we are subservient; we are basically saying that God created a subservient person in order for some of God's narcissistic pleasure to be satisfied. God's not a narcissist. So no, God didn't create us as subservient; God gave us, as the pinnacle of God's creation, free will. That means we're not subservient, that we can exercise our will in any way we wish.

Mary: Yeah and this is where us having faith in the truth about God actually begins to change our own self concept.

Already. Yeah. Even from an intellectual perspective we start going, "Okay, yeah I can feel that I don't feel that. I can see that if this is true, I don't feel it." So already I know that I'm going to have to release some emotions about these things as I receive Love, because if inside of myself I feel sinful and depraved and subservient, then already I know that I'm going to have some emotions to release.

Mary: But already if I believe those things, and I believe I'm God's child, hang on, that doesn't match with the holy, loving, merciful God. So in changing my concept of God, even with faith in a different concept of God, it automatically gives me a different faith in myself, doesn't it? [00:55:15.13]

Exactly. It will at least begin the transformational process in your soul; even just the awareness begins it. But you can also see in this first paragraph that if we believe that God is pure and loving and merciful, and that God did not create us to be sinful and subservient, then already we are starting to understand a lot of God's nature. And even if we don't believe it, just us having thoughts about this will start us on the proper road to at least starting to conceive a different truth to what we've been taught.

Mary: And as you said even if it's not in our hearts as a belief yet, we can begin to act in harmony with it, we can exercise faith to actually let our actions be guided.

Exactly. So stop acting like you're a depraved creature, and stop telling yourself that you are a depraved creature and that's why you acted depraved. Take some responsibility for the fact that it's a choice within you to act in these manners. So there's a lot that comes in with this proper understanding. In fact the person who reads this prayer, when they first read it, will go, "Oh that's pretty basic, I'll do that," but when you become at-one with God, you'll then understand the prayer properly. Before then you won't understand the prayer properly but there's all this meaning in the prayer. [00:56:49.15]

Mary: A lot.

A lot of meaning in the prayer.

11.3. We are the greatest of God's Creations and object of God's Love and tenderest care

Mary: So let's continue.

"I know that I am the greatest of Your Creations and the most wonderful of all of Your Handiworks and the object of Your Great Soul's Love and tenderest care." Wow!

Mary: There's a lot in there.

There's a lot in there about me, in terms of what I must come to know, even if I don't know it currently; that I'm the greatest of God's creations, that the human soul is the greatest of God's creations; that's the most wonderful of all of God's work, where we're not acknowledging that God created the universe as well, not just ourselves, but we are the greatest of those creations. We're also acknowledging that God has love and tender care for us. He hasn't just shoved us on the Earth to fend for ourselves, as people believe, but rather God wants to give us all the knowledge and all of the facts about the universe in which we live. It's just whether we're open to receiving it or not that will depend on if we receive it.

So again a whole heap of truth about God that's contained in the prayer.

11.4. God's Will is that we become at-one with God

Mary: "I know that Your Will is that I become at-one with You and partake of Your Great Love, which You have bestowed upon me through Your Mercy and desire that I become, in truth, Your child through Love, and not through the sacrifice and death of any of Your creatures."

So again, a whole heap of truth about myself and God contained in another paragraph, pregnant with information.

Mary: Yes.

As long as we are able to receive it, we'll see the birth of the information.

Mary: Well and in this paragraph we're told, or we can have faith in the fact that God is mercy, which we mentioned earlier.

That God has a desire...

Mary: But desire that I become at-one. It's not like, oh God, the option's there.

God's not going to us if you want it you can take it, take it or leave it, it doesn't worry me. It does. God's says, "I want you to take it but I honour the free will that I've given you." [00:58:56.17]

Mary: Yes. And the will is so much that you become My child not just through the fact that I created you, but through receiving this Love, and not just receiving a little bit; to the point of at-onement with you.

Exactly. "That I can become at-one with you." Yep.

11.5. We do not become at-one with God through the sacrifice and death of any of God's creatures

Mary: And then the last part of this paragraph says, "And not through the sacrifice and death of any of your creatures." Now obviously there's a huge Christian belief that says that you're death was the sacrifice and that's how people come to God. So I feel that that's addressing that false belief.

It is. But there's more because remember I stated this prayer to people before I died. So there's a lot more to that statement than about my own death.

Mary: Yes, and that's what I'd like to talk about. The fact that so many of us believe that love is about self-sacrifice; that's how so many people could take on the belief that your death was a sacrifice.

Of course. Parents teach their children from a very young age they have to sacrifice for the family and that will prove that they love the family. Not true. Sacrifice proves nothing about love in fact. In fact, what sacrifice proves is the person who's demanding the sacrifice is unloving; that's what sacrifice actually proves. So the reality is that firstly sacrifice would never be demanded from a God of love. [01:00:27.15]

Mary: Yes, and so what I think of when I read this is that God does not desire my sacrifice in order to receive His Love but also if I desire for God to sacrifice one of His Laws for me to show that He loves me, well hang on, now I'm...

Or I desire my partner to sacrifice something of their desires in order to prove they love me.

Mary: Yes; then I'm not going to receive Divine Love basically...

While I'm doing such a thing.

Mary: I'm learning that sacrifice and death are out of harmony with receiving Divine Love. I also, when I read this part of the prayer, think about the death (and this might be out of leftfield) of creatures.

Yes.

Mary: Eating animals.

"I'm loving myself by eating some meat because I need protein."

Mary: Yes!

It's another example of living out of harmony with the principle of this particular paragraph.

Mary: And yeah, and this paragraph tells me no sacrifice or death of any creature, any creature.

Any, yes.

Mary: Yeah. So I'm going to become God's true child in love but it's never going to be through the sacrifice and death of any other creature. [01:01:50.10]

Exactly.

Mary: So how can I eat another creature or even use or eat the products of any other creature because that's about their sacrifice.

Yes. So we would no longer demand sacrifice from any of God's creatures. We would no longer put a cow in a pen just so that we can have milk, for example. We might go out in the field and get some (laughs), and chase the cow down if it's willing to be milked out there, but we wouldn't put it in a pen and do it that way. We would never demand the sacrifice of its life in order for it to give something to us if we were loving.

And we wouldn't demand the sacrifice of its normal natural life, in terms of what it would normally do. So here again a lot of truth about God, and a lot of truth about our soul, and a lot of truth about ethical principles that will help us connect to God in one paragraph. [01:02:46.16]

11.6. Praying for the inflow of Divine Love into our soul to transform us into a Divine being

Okay, so let's look at the next one. It's my turn, isn't it? Yep.

"I pray that You will open up my soul to the inflowing of Your Love and that then will come to me Your Holy Spirit to bring into my soul this Divine Love, Your Divine Love, in great abundance until my soul is transformed into the very essence of Yourself, and there will come to me faith, such faith as will cause me to realise that I truly am Your child, and at-one with You in very substance and not in image only."

Now, when we pray, as I mentioned, our soul is actually opening up to the inflow of Love, but this particular paragraph refers also to the fact that when the Love enters our soul, it softens it. It makes it more malleable to change. It helps us become more sensitive creatures and as a result of that we become again even more open to receiving more Love.

Mary: And this is often when we meet certain people whether they have been following the teachings of Divine Truth...

Or not.

Mary: Or not, there's some people where you can feel that they've received Divine Love because there is this softness in them.

Yes.

Mary: That sometimes they're acting in harmony with and sometimes disharmony, but there's a quality to them that you can feel that this thing has happened with God.

That the transformational of God's Love has already begun working on their soul.

Mary: Yes.

That's very true.

Mary: And I suppose this paragraph is showing me that my will is involved to open up but not just a little bit of God's Love, because often this can be a part of prayer as well; "I'll just have a little bit. Not so much that's going to overwhelm me."

"Give me a touch of it because I'm a bit afraid to receive any more." (Laughs)

Mary: Exactly. Being overwhelmed is freaking me out.

Yeah.

Mary: This part of the prayer's telling me no, I'm asking to open up and for God to open me even more so that I can receive the Love in great abundance.

And for God to open me up so much that I'm overwhelmed by the love that I'm receiving constantly. And like there's also this feeling also that it's attacking; this is this feeling of lack that we have a tendency to have you know like, "Oh I can't ask for too much because maybe God hasn't got enough to give other people then." (Laughter) [01:05:29.14]

Mary: Yeah: "Now that would be selfish and I'm not really that good enough."

This kind of paragraph will trigger all those kind of thoughts; we'll start to feel these particular things.

Mary: So we're really saying all the way through, aren't we, that if we engage our heart with these words, this is how we begin to exercise faith, but also it starts to trigger all of these emotions that we have that are in disharmony with these concepts.

Exactly. And also we're now building through logic; we're building a concept about God that God's not the same as how we've been brought up, in terms of how our parents are. We often impose our parental concepts, the beliefs we have about our parents upon God, and this is now confronting those concepts and saying, no, no, God is not like your mum and dad. God's very, very different to your mum and dad. The way God loves is very different to your mum and dad and also God's Desires and God's Nature is very different to your mum and dad's nature and desires. And we need to come to understand that so that we can have enough faith to have a longing to receive Love from this person, this Being that we want to enter into a relationship with. [01:06:51.23]

11.7. Only we can prevent God's Love from transforming us

So you're next, yeah?

Mary: "Let me have such faith as will cause me to know that You are my Father, and the bestower of every good and perfect gift, and that only I myself can prevent Your Love from changing me from the mortal to the immortal."

Yes, so many people who talk about Divine Truth believe that there's nothing we can do to stop God's Love from transforming us, and that's not true. Obviously we can exercise our will and completely stop God's Love from transforming us, and in fact the majority of people on the planet are doing that, and quite a lot of people in the spirit world, in the hells of the spirit world, are doing that as well right as we speak. So the reality is we are the persons who can prevent God, and the way we prevent God is by exercising our will. God honours our will exercised in a direction.

So if we exercise our will to prevent God, then God is prevented. God is prevented through the creation of His Gifts to give us any further things. So I see sometimes people arguing that God can never be prevented from doing anything, and I can't agree with that. God has given us the free will so that we can prevent God.

Mary: And because God is a God of love, then God won't override will. Unloving people try to override will but God never does so God is prevented because He gave us this gift of free will. That's really what you're saying, isn't it?

Exactly. So we cannot assume that every single being in the universe will become at-one with God because there is the potential that people, human souls, will make the choice where they don't want to exercise their will in the direction of receiving Love from God. And this is an even further demonstration of God's Love. If you think about it, how loving is that? To create a creature and give them the willpower that they can then express to even deny your very existence. Now that is an expression of an immense amount of love. [01:09:03.18]

Mary: And you will respect it.

And you will respect it.

Mary: That's very loving.

That's a very loving position.

11.8. God is the bestower of every good and perfect gift

Mary: Wow, you know. Even though I created you, and I'm the giver of every perfect gift in your life.

And every material that you have and every thing you've ever got has all come from Me.

Mary: I will not demand a thing from you.

Including demand that you even acknowledge Me. That is the intensity of God's Love. You look at the average parent, what do they do? "I'm your mother! I'm your mother!" (Laughs)

Mary: "I gave birth to you!"

"I gave birth to you!" Completely the opposite of God's Love. If God was like that, God would be saying, "I'm your mother!" (Laughs) "I'm your mother! I gave birth to your soul! I demand that you do this or do that." God's not like that at all. Every time we go, "I'm your mother!" or, "I'm your father. You've got to listen to me," we're completely out of harmony with God's Love. We're completely out of harmony with the way God created love to be. [01:09:59.15]

But again we get more about God's nature here, don't we?

Mary: We do, yeah. Well, just the fact that God is the bestower every good and perfect gift.

Everything we've ever received.

Mary: Everything we've received that's good and perfect and loving has come from God. So wow, this is a God I'd like to have some faith in.

Exactly. Who wouldn't?

Mary: Yes. (Laughter) But also I feel this paragraph talks to me about humility as well, and my self-reliance. In my self-reliance I often want to feel that I'm the creator of every good and perfect thing in my life.

(Laughs) Yeah.

Mary: And God's...

God's the creator of every nasty thing.

Mary: Yes! And it's God's Laws and God's problem that I'm in pain, and if it were only left up to me, everything would be good and perfect.

Yeah, complete false belief.

Mary: And this paragraph is telling me it's the complete flipside.

Inverse.

11.9. Only we can prevent God's Love from transforming us (continued)

Mary: It's telling me everything good and perfect in my life has come from God and actually the only reason I'm in pain and the only thing that prevents love flowing, is my will. [01:11:03.18]

... is something within me.

Mary: So it's saying actually, hang on, the tables are turned.

Exactly, get the perspective right. (Laughs)

Mary: Yeah. Exactly.

To want to have a relationship with God, you're going to have to get your perspective right.

Mary: Yeah. And one of the biggest lessons I feel God is always trying to teach is that we have a will.

Yes.

Mary: And the importance of our will, and how much power our will has.

And God gave us this power to exercise. Even that gift came from God.

Mary: Yes. And it can be good and perfect if we exercise it to ask for the Love.

And we if we exercise it in harmony with the Love, and in harmony with all God's Laws, which are all loving. So another very important paragraph to understand truly if you really want to seek God's Love.

11.10. Developing faith that God is our true parent

Mary: And just finally in this prayer we're asking for faith even to believe these things, so we're asking, "Help me believe this, God."

Help me believe that you are this person. And also help me to believe that it's not my mum and dad that are my parents. You know, it's saying here: cause me to know that you are my parent. You are my father, not my mum and dad. My mum and dad just give me the bodies. They're not my real mum and dad; You are my Mum and Dad. And help me believe and cause me to have the faith to believe that no matter how badly I was treated by this mum and dad on Earth, or how well I was treated by this mum and dad on Earth, they are still not my mum and dad. You're my Mum and Dad." [01:12:32.18]

Mary: It's almost like, "Let me give them up as the people who are in direction of my life, whether they were kind and generous or mean and nasty..."

Or anywhere in between.

Mary: ... or a good mix at different times.

Exactly.

Mary: Let me give up these people as the figure head of my life, and put You, God, and let me have such faith as to realise I am Your child, not their child.

And also under this concept I would no longer hold onto the concept that my mum and dad must be listened to anymore, that my mum and dad must be honoured, or all these other particular things because the reality is if I honour this relationship, I will come to understand the true relationship between myself and my earthly parents, which is very, very different to the actual relationship between my soul and my Heavenly Parent. And I'll come to see that whenever the earthly parents demand things of me that are out of harmony with love, then I will always honour my relationship with God in this, and I'll always honour; "No, God's not like that. God's not like that. God's my Father. You're not my Father, you're just the creator of my body and that didn't take very long either." For the dad it took him an instant usually and for the mum maybe nine months. And any gifts that they've given us as a result, and our parents have given us gifts in creating us and other gifts they have given us, even though we honour the fact that we received gifts from them, they are our brothers and sisters. We are fellow children of God, and we come to understand that. [01:14:09.23]

And when I understand that, I start understanding the need to honour God as my parent rather than put my honour in my parents on Earth as my parent. And when I say "rather than", there are times when my parents will not deserve my honour because of the actions that they take that are out of harmony with my heavenly parent.

Mary: Yeah, you're really saying that I will stop honouring my parents above myself.

Exactly.

Mary: Instead honour us equally. And then place God in a position of...

... of true honour.

Mary: Where I seek guidance, where I seek love, where I seek...

Where I seek everything that I need in fact. Yep. Not from our parents anymore. My parents are just fellow brothers and sisters who can also have the same relationship with God that I have.

Mary: Yep.

Yep.

11.11. God never withholds His Love from us

Okay, so,

"Let me never cease to realise that Your Love is waiting for each and all of us and that when I come to You in faith and earnest aspiration, Your Love will never be withheld from me."

This is telling us more about God's Love. God never withholds love from us. So if we are asking for Love, and not receiving it, there's a problem in us. There's something going wrong in us that causes us to have a lack of sincerity about the asking. And I constantly see people blaming God for not receiving Divine Love. They say, "I pray every day but I don't seem to receive Divine Love." That in itself is a blame of God because if you're not receiving Divine Love and you pray every day, you're not looking at what's going on inside of you; you want to blame something external to yourself for not receiving Love. God desires to never withhold Love; when it's asked for with earnest aspirations it will always be given. So if it's not being received, then it's not being received because of something you're doing, not because of something God's doing. [01:16:09.09]

Mary: Yeah. It's such a beautiful prayer and it's so full of truth if we come to it with our own injuries and our own heart. So what you've just said is, okay I'm praying today, I'm praying every day, and I'm not receiving Love. Now some of us can go, "Uh! God!" and blame God. But because, as I said earlier, I suffer with the opposite problem, in this paragraph it tells me that God's Love is always waiting for me.

Always.

Mary: There's never an expiry date. There's never a time where now I've really blown it and I'm never getting the Love.

(Laughs) Exactly.

Mary: And it's not just for a special few, it's for every single one of us, whether we feel so lowly or think we're the bees knees, it doesn't matter, God's Love is always there for us.

It's always available. I had a Christian this week email me and he was trying to convince me that God chose the people God loves. And I go, "What? God chooses to love everyone." This is a man who has no understanding of God's nature at all. Now I know the Bible does say in some parts that God chooses people to love, but it's not true at all. God doesn't choose them; they choose themselves by having a desire for Love to enter them. [01:17:39.15]

Mary: God has chosen - every single one of His children.

Yeah! From God's perspective God wants every single one of Her children to receive Divine Love and Her children choose, through their actions and desires. And if a Christian has a concept that God's chosen then they're already out of harmony with God's nature. God's not like that, God doesn't arbitrarily say, "Ah, I choose you but Igor, who's behind the camera there, I don't choose him." That's just something that God just would not do. God chooses everyone, of course.

So these are all concepts again about God that we've got to give up. So if I hold onto the concept that God chooses people I am not going to receive Love beyond a certain point because I can't because I'm exercising my will to hold onto a belief system that any love inside of me would be opposing.

Mary: Okay.

11.12. The shadow of God's Love helps overcome temptations of the flesh and the powers of evil ones

Mary: Oh this is a well worn part of the prayer for me. (Laughter)

"Keep me in the shadow of Your Love every hour and moment of my life and help me to overcome all the temptations of the flesh and the influence of the powers of the evils ones who so constantly surround me and endeavour to turn my thoughts away from you to the pleasures and allurements of this world."

Again this tells us a lot about God. Every time we make mistakes, God doesn't go, "Rarr!" Or when we are overcome by the temptations of the flesh, God's not going, "I'm going to punish you now, and I'm going to make your life difficult now. We've got to correct this now," and put all this heaviness on you. God wants to help you overcome the temptations of flesh. And in fact receiving God's Love into your soul helps you overcome the temptations of flesh by removing the actual cause of why you're tempted; that's how God's Love operates. And as long as we're open to that occurring then that transformational power can occur.

God's constantly wanting us to live in the shadow of love, not in you know the dark shadows of hatred, revenge and other things, such as anger and rage that we're often overcome by, God wants us to live in the shadow of God's Love.

Now if we believe God's Love involves wrath of course we might believe that living in the shadow of love means that we can also get wrathful, but that's not the case at all. It's a false belief. God is never wrathful. So when we're living in the shadow of God's Love, after a while, as we engage that more and more, we slowly become naturally never wrathful as a result. [01:20:28.22]

Mary: Yeah. And I suppose for me this part of the prayer has been a lot about spirit influence, and the influence of the powers of the evil ones who constantly surround me and endeavour to turn my thoughts away from you, and so this part of the prayer tells me that asking God for help in those times, when I feel bombarded and I feel there's a lot of pressure on me to turn away from faith in God to the worldly view, which can be very negative and cynical, I can ask for God to help me. Also this "keep me in the shadow of Your Love", to me that's about faith in God's Love and the faith in the power of Love, but it's also about asking Divine angels, asking people who are at-one with God to also surround me, that I can call upon people in the shadow of God's Love as well.

But we also must understand from this paragraph too that God created laws that allow evil ones to surround me.

Mary: Absolutely.

Now those laws are loving laws, and we need to come to understand they're loving laws. So if evil ones do surround me, I would need to start to begin, if I understood this paragraph correctly, to understand that I attract them in some way; that there's something inside of me that causes an attraction between them and their influence and what's happening in my life. And I will start to understand the power that I have in this process.

See a lot of people read this paragraph I feel and then feel that like God should protect them from all evil. Well, no, God's Laws would protect them from all evil if there was no evil within their soul that needed to be released, but the fact is that if there is evil in the soul, there are emotions in the soul that need to be released that are out of harmony with love, and those emotions will cause an attraction. So we need to understand that God is not the cause of our negative attractions. As it says there, "the temptations of the flesh" are our own desires, and our desire to live in harmony with different spirits who are evil around us that cause the attraction. [01:22:53.04]

Mary: Yeah, and in this it does say, "help me to overcome", so it's based on my will.

Exactly. Help me to overcome what is happening in my life here; to actually see that I am the creator of it, and that I need to, through some process, become the destroyer of it, if I'm going to become happy. And help me see that as a result of me being the creator, You will give me help to overcome the reasons why I created these things as well. That's a very loving God that gives you help even when you go and create evil, and then as a result of a subsequent evil you act upon it and you cause sin and suffering, pain and suffering as a result to come upon you and others that the loving God is still trying to help you overcome it all.

He's not going, "I'm going to put you in the deepest of the hells and punish you for the rest of your existence", as many people would believe, but rather he's doing completely the opposite. He's trying to lift us up constantly as a person who loves us would do. A person who truly loves us would lift us up, not constantly degrade us and degrade us and degrade us, punish us and so forth, but a person who loves us would lift us up instead constantly, whether we wanted to be degraded or not; immaterial to that, that person will continually want to lift us up.

Mary: And for me I suppose the times when I feel so much the influence of the powers of evil ones is when I lack faith. That is really their gateway; it's when I lack faith in this wonderful God, and when I lack faith in the power of love.

And faith in the fact that if you act in harmony with law everything will come out good.

Mary: Yes. That will help me overcome. And so this "keeping me in the shadow of Your Love" often stirs those kind of feelings for me about hang on, keep me in this faith place with you because that's going to help me overcome the power. And the truth that comes from holding on to the truth about God is that creates my faith.

Yes. So you can see already, and it's something we will probably mention at the end of the prayer, but you can see already the prayer has been carefully constructed - I'm a very logical person (laughs) - to help a person expose within themselves all of their false beliefs about themselves and God. That's why I constructed the prayer in the manner that I did, so that it would help expose the false beliefs about both things. And that's why it's so important for a person to truly understand the principles relating around the prayer. [01:25:41.06]

11.13. Receiving Divine Love is a privilege

"I thank you for Your Love and the privilege of receiving it, and I believe that you are my Father, the loving Father who smiles upon me in my weakness, and is always ready to help me and take me into your arms of Love."

Now, I feel that this particular paragraph confronted many people, even now, and also in the first century, because firstly it is a privilege to receive love; it's not a given. It's not something we can demand, it's a privilege to get it, so we need to exercise some gratitude for the fact that we have been given this privilege to receive love. That's firstly. [01:26:23.17]

11.14. God smiles upon our weaknesses

Secondly, our Father smiles upon us in our weaknesses. God doesn't look at us in rage and anger when we display our weaknesses...

Mary: Or a criticism, and negatively.

No, or in judgement or any of those things. God just has a loving feeling of sympathy and compassion for our weaknesses, and if we understood that this is the kind of God that we are entering a relationship with, surely we'd want to enter a relationship with such a person because the reality is on this planet we don't receive much compassion or sympathy when we're weak. In fact the majority of people attack and attack and attack. For instance if I make a single mistake, we have thousands of people emailing us in attack, just me making a single mistake. God never does that. God is much more loving than that. God smiles upon me with any weakness that I might have or any mistake that I might make, and tries to encourage me through the operation of the Love to do better next time. That's how God feels about me. And while I believe that, I will not accept people attacking me, saying God's going to punish you, God's going to make you feel this and God's going to put you in hell.

Many people, Christians in particular, but all sorts of people, even people who don't believe in God at all, tell me all these bad things that are going to happen to me as a result of me just claiming to be Jesus, for example. Now let's say the claim is false, and let's say that I am a sincere person who wants to teach people how to love, then God will correct me. There's no need for you to correct me. (Laughs) God will correct me through a process. And this process will be this same loving process that I've been engaged in for two thousand years with God, it's the same beautiful loving process because that's the kind of person God is. God's not the kind of person that the majority of people want to email me and tell me God is. (Laughs) [01:28:31.02]

11.15. Receiving Divine Love is a privilege (continued)

Mary: Yeah. And for me I've always felt privilege so it's never really struck me.

You feel so privileged that you feel like you don't deserve it (laughs), which is a problem.

Mary: Yeah, and so for me that paragraph is always about - I thank You for Your Love. Now that statement, I have to have faith in that statement that the Love even exists for me.

For you, personally, yes.

Mary: For me personally. So it's very affirming part of the prayer. And also that You are always ready for me. It's these same themes that are what strikes me emotionally as I read it, you know.

And it's important, isn't it, to see that God has this personal desire to have a personal relationship with you personally. (Laughs)

Mary: Yes.

Not some global desire just to have a relationship with all of mankind generally.

Mary: Exactly, and that brings up all kinds of unworthiness in me and it's so personal that you even give this beautiful image of God taking me in His Arms.

And that's how I often feel it. Like being held in Arms of God. Or I liken it to sometimes just sitting on God's Lap, and getting educated by this loving Father or Mother.

Mary: It's very beautiful.

11.16. Giving God glory, honour and love

Mary: Okay:

"I pray for this with all the earnestness and sincere longings of my soul, and trusting in Your Love, give You all the glory and honour and love that my finite soul can give."

Another very important aspect of the prayer is that we firstly need to trust that God has Love to give us; we need to pray in earnestness and longing. So this is a statement of our own truthful state. If we're not in a state of truth, we're not earnest, and we're not sincere, then the Love cannot enter us. And so I need to look at my own lack of sincerity, I need to look at my own lack of earnestness if I'm not receiving Love. [01:30:41.14]

But also that God deserves my glory and honour and love. So this is something that many people do not understand about God is this; God gave us this gift of free will. That means that there are some things that God cannot take from us ever. And one of those things is our will. God will never take our will away from us. God also doesn't take love from us. So God rejoices whenever we willingly express our love for God. This is a way we can make God's Heart glad, or more gladder than it already is. Most people don't understand that. Most people don't get the fact that God becomes happier than God already is when we express our love for God.

Mary: And that nobody else can give the love that I have for God to God.

And nobody else can give God's Love that God has for you to you. Only God can give that to you. It's a personal engagement between you and God. And God will never demand your love from you, and you can never demand God's Love from God. To do so would be out of harmony with the laws of will.

Mary: But also that's the nature of love, isn't it? And that's teaching us about love.

And teaching us about what pure love on the Earth would be when it's expressed between partners or between children and parents and so forth. We would never be demanding. We would never take from the person or demand that the person love us because we realise that love is a gift; a gift that is given freely by the soul of the individual, whether that soul is God's, the great Over Soul of our universe, or our puny little soul; it doesn't matter. The fact is that if we honoured the love, and we honoured the gift of free will, we would understand the privilege of receiving love from another. It's an immense privilege because it's the one thing that we cannot ever demand from them. If they are giving us love that's based on demand, it's not love, it's bartering. That's not love.

For somebody to give a feeling of love towards us without it ever being demanded or also, as we said here, that given in the spirit of feeling that we deserve it, that we're entitled; these particular emotions are out of harmony with love completely. And so when we learn about that with God we start to understand God's nature is so fine and pure that God never even demands anything from us, that God only desires our love and is overjoyed when He receives it, but does not ever demand it. And that's an amazing gift if you think about it. And also that means we can give a gift to God. So God, through this relationship, has given us the ability to give a gift back to God; not the gift of our will or anything else, but the gift of our love. We have this ability to give this gift in return, if we desire to. [01:34:10.19]

A lot of people say we've got nothing to give God, there's nothing that we can give God that God doesn't already have. I can't agree. There are things that we can give God that God doesn't already have, because God created it that way. Our love is one of those things that we can give to God that God doesn't already have. And our will is another that we can bring in harmony with God that God doesn't already have. These are gifts that God gave us already.

Mary: Yeah and probably my strongest memory of being in such a close relationship with God that I can connect to, and I don't know if many people understand that but as you become at-one with God your desire to give glory and honour to God...

Is immense.

Mary: It's immense. It directs your whole life and you desire that God be honoured and glorified; it's not our duty but because it is such a heartfelt passionate desire within you.

And it's driven by so much gratitude.

Mary: Yeah, you feel a privilege of receiving God's Love and how transformative it has been and the utter gift of it.

And what it's created in your life.

Mary: Yeah, what it's created; the potential it has unlocked in you, and the fact that it's a gift. It's not something that God had to give to you and understanding that just that generates so much feelings of the glory of God and the desire to honour God.

And it would also, if you think about it, if we sincerely felt it, it would also increase our desire for prayer.

Mary: Yes.

Always.

Mary: Yeah. It's becomes this self feeding cycle of loving God, receiving God's Love, desiring more of God's Love, feeling God's Love unlocking things in you, feeling the gratitude for that then feeling you want to love God even more and this whole expansion happens. And I don't really know what it's like on God's end, but it's pretty powerful on our end, isn't it?

Yeah.

12. Summary

So now we've discussed Solomon's message in a bit more detail, where he said the greatest truths in the world are prayer and faith on the part of mortals, and Love, the Divine Love, on the part of God. "The latter is waiting and the former causes it to enter into the souls of men. No other truths are so great and momentous to man." And that, I feel, is the thing we need to bear in mind. And if we ever lose our way on the path to God, all we need to do is go back to those three things. [01:37:02.09]

Mary: Yeah. I think that's why I love this message so much, and when I view the scope of what you've taught and what the level of information that's available out there, I see that you understand these greatest truths from Solomon and they direct everything in your life. You understand this very clearly and I see you understanding it even as you're teaching other things. And all these other things that you teach are all designed to give us awareness so that we can grow humility...

Understand your own soul.

Mary: Grow our own faith.

And how it works.

Mary: To know the beauty of God, even understand the potentials, and also our soul and all these other things that are all designed really to help us just engage faith and prayer.

Exactly.

Mary: But I see some people lose sight of that, because they decide that this idea of trying the experiment that Solomon and you encouraged in the messages feels risky; initially it often feels risky. And because we have all these false beliefs about God and we're not challenging them with these new truths you're presenting, then people can go down the side road of trying to get more truth, come to another seminar, focus on emotions, do all these other things that are really bypassing the fact that if we just engage with faith and prayer, all of these other things will start to be engaged even more intensely.

Certainly. And all the truths that I have delivered to people are all a part of that effort to help people understand the operation of their own soul, and the operation of the soul's connection with God's Soul.

But I also feel sometimes that if people would just spend more time praying as I encouraged my first century disciples to do, rather than spending all this time trying to understand everything I've said, they would actually understand everything I said far better than what they currently do. And if people spent more time receiving Divine Love than they did on any other thing, they would actually in fact progress much more rapidly than they currently do. And they'd also be happier in their progress than they currently are. Because it's not the traumatic process that I see people think it is, it hasn't been a traumatic process for me. I've had to cry a lot, as I've explained to people, sometimes I've cried for three months straight, for four or five hours a day, but I just found that as a normal subsequent part of my receiving Divine Love and having certain things inside of me triggered so that I needed to feel them, and I was humble enough to feel them for that length of time.

So I feel again that people need to understand the basic principles, and the basic principles are that God has this Love that transforms your soul. It's the only thing that's going to forever transform your soul. The only thing. Nothing else you do will ever transform your soul. And beyond the sixth dimension of the spirit world there is nothing you can do personally to transform you own soul. So why not give that up now, and start instead engaging this process with God where God's Love transforms your soul. And to do that you only need two things; you only need prayer and faith. When I say "only", they're two very important things! (Laughter) They also involve many different facets which if we engage the prayer that I gave to people in the first century, and in the Padgett messages, they will find that they actually engage the process and they'll find that much of the faith that is necessary to receive Divine Love will come to them as a result of their longings being inspired. [01:41:03.11]

But they also are going to need to be willing to let go of their own impediments to receiving Divine Love. Only we ourselves can stop the process through the exercise of our will, and I see a lot of people using their will, even people who believe themselves to be followers of Divine Truth and on the Divine Love Path, using their will actively in denial of the truth, in denial of the reception of Love. And of course you can't receive Love very fast if you're going to deny its reception. So I would suggest to people to reconsider their actions and reconsider their daily practices and allow themselves to see that no matter what their condition, whether they think it's very, very good or they think it's very, very bad, they can receive Divine Love. And if they are not receiving Divine Love, it's because of something that they themselves are choosing to do that's out of harmony with the necessary faith we need to receive Love from God. And I feel if we understood those particular things, then we would come to understand Solomon's message more carefully.

13. Closing Words

So hopefully you've enjoyed our discussion of Solomon's message. It's quite an involved discussion for just a few lines (laughs) in the book of messages that people received through Padgett. But it contains all of the basic truths that we need to have a relationship and establish a relationship with God. And if we understand it completely we will understand the truth of those particular messages properly.

### Appendix: The Prayer for Divine Love

Our Father, Who is in Heaven, we recognize that You are All Holy and Loving and Merciful, and that we are Your Children, and not the subservient, sinful and depraved creatures that false teachers would have us believe. We know that we are the Greatest of Your Creations, and the Most Wonderful of all Your Handiworks, and the objects of your Great Soul's Love and Tender Care.

We know that Your Will is that we become At-One with You and partake of Your Great Love which You have bestowed upon us through Your Mercy and desire that we become, in truth, Your Children through Love, and not through the sacrifice and death of any of Your Creatures.

We pray that You will open up our Souls to the inflowing of Your Love, and that then will come your Holy Spirit to bring into our Souls this, Your Divine Love, in Great Abundance, until our Souls are transformed into the Very Essence of Yourself; and that there will come to us Faith—such Faith as will cause us to realize that we are truly Your Children and one with You in Very Substance, and not in image only.

Let us have such Faith as will cause us to know that You are Our Father, and the Bestower of every Good and Perfect Gift, and that, only we ourselves, can prevent Your Love changing us from the mortal into the Immortal.

Let us never cease to realize that Your Love is waiting for each and all of us, and, that when we come to You, in Faith and Earnest Aspiration, Your Love will never be withheld from us.

Keep us in the shadow of Your Love every hour and moment of our lives, and help us to overcome all temptations of the flesh, and the influence of the powers of the evil ones who so constantly surround us and endeavour to turn our thoughts away from You to the pleasures and allurements of this world.

We thank You for Your Love and the privilege of receiving it, and we believe that You are Our Father—the Loving Father who smiles upon us in our weakness, and is always ready to help us and take us to Your Arms of Love.

We pray this with all the earnestness and sincere longings of our Souls, and, trusting in Your Love, give You all the Glory and Honour and Love that our finite souls can give.

AMEN.

