UNDER FIRE TONIGHT OVER THE
ALLEGATIONS SURFACED THAT HE
WAS ABUSIVE TO TWO OF HIS
EXWIVES AND A GIRLFRIEND.
WHITE HOUSE STAFF SECRETARY
ROB PORTER HAS LOST HIS JOB
FOLLOWING THE EXPLOSIVE
CLAIMS OF THIS ABUSE THAT
FIRST STARTED TO COME TO
LIGHT ON TUESDAY.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME
REPORT THAT SOME TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS
INCLUDING CHIEF OF STAFF
JOHN KELLY MAY HAVE KNOWN
ABOUT THIS FOR MONTHS.
WE DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF
WHAT THEY KNEW.
BUT THEY DID NOT MAKE A MOVE
TO REMOVE HIM AT THAT POINT.
SO THE WHITE HOUSE IS
STRONGLY PUSHING BACK TODAY,
SAYING THAT GENERAL KELLY
BUT THAT HAS NOT STOPPED
MANY OUT THERE FROM GOING
AFTER HIM.
WHITE MALE EMPLOYEE WORKING
FOR HIM COULDN'T POSSIBLY
BEAT HIS FORMER WIVES
BECAUSE HE SAID HE DIDN'T.
DETAILS TO GET THEM?
>> JOHN KELLY AS TO EVERYONE
IN THIS ADMINISTRATION
BEATING UP A WOMAN IS NOT A
DISQUALIFICATION.
>> JOINED NOW BY BEN SHAPIRO
EDITOR AND CHIEF AT DAILY
WIRE.COM WHO WROTE ABOUT
THIS TODAY AND ARI
FLEISCHER, FOX NEWS
WITH US TODAY.
BEN, OBVIOUSLY THE
UNDERLYING STORY HERE IS
UGLY.
THROUGH SOME OF THESE BLOGS
AND INFORMATION THAT'S OUT
THERE IS A BIG FALL FOR ROB
PORTER.
NO DOUBT.
HE HELPED RIGHT
HE HELPED WIGHT
HE HELPED WRIHT
HE HELPED WRITE THE STATE OF
THE UNION JUST A FEW DAYS
AND AGO NOW HE HAS LOST HIS
JOB.
YOUR THOUGHTS.
>> MAJOR FALL FROM HIM.
ALLEGATIONS AND OF COURSE
GOT MULTIPLE ALLEGATIONS
FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT
WOMEN.
YOU HAVE A POLICE ACTION
THAT WAS FILED AGAINST HIM.
A TEMPORARY RESTRAINING
ORDER.
THE REAL QUESTION HERE IS
WHAT DID JOHN KELLY KNOW.
AND EVEN IF HE ONLY KNEW
SOME OF THE ALLEGATION, WHY
WOULD HE ALLOW ROB PORTER TO
GET SO CLOSE TO THE
PRESIDENT?
THAT REALLY IS THE QUESTION
TO ME.
IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT FROM
WHAT KELLY HAS SAID, WHAT
THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SAID
HE DIDN'T, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE
FACE.
AND ONCE THAT CAME OUT HE
CHANGED HIS STORY.
BUT, WHEN YOU ARE IN DOUBT,
YOU HAVE GOT TO KEEP THE
PRESIDENT SAFE FROM THE
IMPACT OF HAVING SOMEONE
AROUND HIM WHO IS GOING TO
TAKE A FALL LIKE THIS.
AND IT JUST SEEMS IRRESPONSE
STOIBLE ME IF YOU KNOW
ALLEGATIONS FLOATING AROUND
ABOUT THEM TO BE THAT CLOSE
TO THE PRESIDENT.
IT PUTS THE PRESIDENT IN A
VULNERABLE POSITION.
>> Martha: YOU KNOW, IT'S
TRICKY.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE WAY THAT
BEN PRESENTS IT, ARI, YOU
KNOW, IS FROM THE NATIONAL
SECURITY PERSPECTIVE, WHICH
IS ABSOLUTELY A VALID
QUESTION TO ASK HERE.
YOU KNOW, FROM THE PERSONAL
SIDE, WHEN YOU READ THE
ACCOUNT OF HIS FIRST WIFE,
SHE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT
THAT EVERYONE LOVED ROB.
THAT EVERYBODY ALWAYS TOLD
HER HOW LUCKY SHE WAS.
THAT SHE WAS MARRIED TO HIM,
THAT HE WAS SUCH A GREAT
GUY.
THIS IS CLEARLY SOMEBODY WHO
HAD A PRETTY GOOD JEKYLL AND
HYDE ROUTINE GOING.
>> YEAH.
AND I THINK THAT'S EXPLAINS
WHY PEOPLE AT THE WHITE
HOUSE SAID WHAT THEY SAID
ABOUT HIM.
WHETHER YOU WORK AT THE
WHITE HOUSE OR WORK IN A
SCHOOL OR WHEREVER YOU ARE.
IF THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT
YOU KNOW, YOU ADMIRE, YOU
LIKE, YOU SAY THAT AND IT'S
REFLECTED IN WHAT YOU THINK
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY
BEHAVE NUT OFFICE.
THEY MAY HAVE A TOTALLY
SEPARATE WAY OF ACTING WHEN
THEY GO HOME AND PERHAPS
THAT'S WHAT THE CASE IS
HERE.
IN ALL FAIRNESS TO ROB
PORTER HE HAS DENIED THIS
AND THAT IS IMPORTANT.
WE DO HAVE TO HAVE TWO
SIDES.
I THINK THAT WOULD EXPLAIN
IT THEN WHEN PEOPLE COULD BE
SO SHOCKED THAT HE IS SUCH A
GREAT GUY AT THE OFFICE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS
LIKE AT HOME.
AND THEN HAVE YOU TO BE
PRECISE IN YOUR LANGUAGE.
WHEN YOU SAY WAS HE AWARE OF
THIS?
WHAT EXACTLY IS "THIS?"
IS THERE A PICTURE WITH HIM
WITH A WIFE WHO HAS A BLACK
EYE OR IS IT ALLEGATIONS OF
DIFFICULTIES IN A MARRIAGE
AND WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE
FACTS YET?
THIS IS WHERE YOU JUST HAVE
TO LET THE INVESTIGATORS
REALLY TELL WHAT YOU DO YOU
KNOW?
WHAT WAS PRECISELY CONVEYED
AND SAID?
>> Martha: YEAH.
LET'S PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF
THE NEWS CONFERENCE TODAY AT
THE WHITE HOUSE TALKING
THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL COULD
HAVE DONE BETTER OVER THE
LAST FEW HOURS OR LAST FEW
DAYS IN DEALING WITH THIS
SITUATION.
>> Martha: THE WHITE HOUSE
ACCEPTING SOME BLAME THERE,
BEN?
>> I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S
EXACTLY THE RIGHT MOVE.
ONE OF THE RARE TIMES I HAVE
SEEN THE WHITE HOUSE SAY
LISTEN WE MAY HAVE MADE A
MISTAKE HERE.
BUY AN AWFUL LOT OF
CREDIBILITY FROM THE PRESS
AND PUBLIC WHEN YOU SAY
LISTEN WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL
THE INFORMATION.
AS WE GOT ALL OF THE
INFORMATION IT'S CLEAR WE
FIRST RESPONSE WE ARE
GATHERING ALL OF THE
ALLEGATIONS THESE
ALLEGATIONS ARE DISTURBING.
THE REASON JOHN KELLY IS IN
SOME TROUBLE HERE BECAUSE HE
MADE SUCH A STRONG DEFENSE
OF ROB PORTER AND HAD TO GO
BACK ON IT ACKNOWLEDGING
THAT'S ACTUALLY A STRENGTH
WHEN IT COMES TO THE PR
EFFORTS OF THE TRUMP WHITE
HOUSE.
>> Martha: BEN, IN TERMS OF
THE MEDIA REACTION, THERE
HAVE BEEN A REAL PILE ON FOR
GENERAL KELLY WHAT HE SAID
ABOUT DACA RECIPIENTS
EARLIER THIS WEEK IF HE HAD
HADN'T SIGNED UP MAYBE THEY
WERE TOO LAZY TO SIGN UP FOR
THE PROGRAM THERE FEELS LIKE
LONG KNIVES OUT FOR HIM.
>> IT DOES FEEL LIKE THAT.
IT FEELS LIKE THERE IS A
FEELING THAT JOHN KELLY, IF
HE IS THE GUY WHO PROTECTING
THE PRESIDENT AND IF HE IS
THE GUY WHO IS NOT HOLDING
THE PRESIDENT BACK, I THINK
THE PRESS WANTED KELLY TO BE
THE GUY WHO IS HOLDING A
LEASH ON TRUMP.
OF COURSE THAT'S NOT KELLY'S
JOB.
KELLY'S JOB IS TO ORGANIZE
THE WHITE HOUSE IN A BETTER
WAY.
FEELS LIKE VULNERABILITY FOR
KELLY NOW AND THE PRESS IS
JUMPING ON IT BECAUSE THEY
WOULD LIKE TO SEAT WHITE
HOUSE RETURN TO SOMETHING
MORE CHAOTIC AS IT WAS
EARLIER BEFORE KELLY TOOK
THE REIGNS.
>> Martha: ARI, LAST
THOUGHT.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT WHAT
BEN SAID.
I HAVE BEEN AROUND
WASHINGTON LONG ENOUGH TO
KNOW WHEN SOMEBODY GOES
AFTER THE STAFF THEY ARE
GOING AFTER THE BOSS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
ANOTHER WAY TO TAKE A SHOT
AT DONALD TRUMP.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO
THEY'RE.
PICK UP THE STAFF AND GO
AFTER THEM BECAUSE YOU WANT
TO TAKE DOWN THE PRESIDENT.
IN THE MEDIA WHO DON'T LIKE
JOHN KELLY ANY LONGER.
THEY LIKED HIM WHEN HE CAME
IN AND CREATED ORDER AND HE
WAS AN IMPROVEMENT.
NOW THEY THAT THEY SEE IS HE
IDEOLOGICALLY CONSERVATIVE
