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>> Jesse: CNN FEELING THE HEAT
>> Jesse: CNN FEELING THE HEAT
AFTER ONE OF THEIR ANCHORMAN
AFTER ONE OF THEIR ANCHORMAN
MOCKED TRUMP SUPPORTERS.
MOCKED TRUMP SUPPORTERS.
HERE IS CNN’S ATTEMPT TO CLEAN
HERE IS CNN’S ATTEMPT TO CLEAN
IT UP.
IT UP.
>> I DON’T BELIEVE IN BELITTLING
>> I DON’T BELIEVE IN BELITTLING
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE.
BELITTLING ANYONE FOR WHO THEY
BELITTLING ANYONE FOR WHO THEY
ARE, WHAT THEY BELIEVE, AND
ARE, WHAT THEY BELIEVE, AND
WHERE THEY’RE FROM HERE DURING
WHERE THEY’RE FROM HERE DURING
AN INTERVIEW ON SATURDAY NIGHT,
AN INTERVIEW ON SATURDAY NIGHT,
ONE OF MY GUESTS SAID SOMETHING
ONE OF MY GUESTS SAID SOMETHING
THAT MADE ME LAUGH AND IN THE
THAT MADE ME LAUGH AND IN THE
MOMENT, I FOUND THAT JOKE
MOMENT, I FOUND THAT JOKE
HUMOROUS.
HUMOROUS.
I DIDN’T CATCH EVERYTHING THAT
I DIDN’T CATCH EVERYTHING THAT
WAS SAID.
WAS SAID.
JUST TO MAKE THIS PERFECTLY
JUST TO MAKE THIS PERFECTLY
CLEAR, I WAS LAUGHING AT THE
CLEAR, I WAS LAUGHING AT THE
JOKE, AND NOT AT ANY GROUP OF
JOKE, AND NOT AT ANY GROUP OF
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE.
>> Jesse: THAT SEMIAPOLOGY HAS
>> Jesse: THAT SEMIAPOLOGY HAS
COME TO LITTLE, TOO LATE.
COME TO LITTLE, TOO LATE.
THE RNC ALREADY LAUNCHING A
THE RNC ALREADY LAUNCHING A
BRUTAL ADD BASED OFF THE SEGMENT
BRUTAL ADD BASED OFF THE SEGMENT
SEGMENT.
SEGMENT.
>> YOU COULD PUT HALF OF TRUMP
>> YOU COULD PUT HALF OF TRUMP
SUPPORTERS INTO WHAT I CALL THE
SUPPORTERS INTO WHAT I CALL THE
BASKET OF DEPLORABLES.
BASKET OF DEPLORABLES.
>> THAT IS PARTLY THEM PLAYING
>> THAT IS PARTLY THEM PLAYING
TO THEIR BASE.
TO THEIR BASE.
>> ANYONE SUPPORTING THIS
>> ANYONE SUPPORTING THIS
PRESIDENT IS, AT BEST, LOOKING
PRESIDENT IS, AT BEST, LOOKING
THE OTHER WAY.
THE OTHER WAY.
SPEAK OF THE CREDULOUS BOOMER
SPEAK OF THE CREDULOUS BOOMER
RUBE DEMO THAT BACKS THE DONALD
RUBE DEMO THAT BACKS THE DONALD
THAT WANTS TO THINK THAT
THAT WANTS TO THINK THAT
DONALD TRUMP IS THE SMART ONE,
DONALD TRUMP IS THE SMART ONE,
AND Y’ALL ELITISTS ARE DOWN.
AND Y’ALL ELITISTS ARE DOWN.
>> Jesse: WE PREDICTED THAT
>> Jesse: WE PREDICTED THAT
THE OTHER DAY THAT THERE WAS
THE OTHER DAY THAT THERE WAS
GOING TO BE AN ADD ON THAT AND
GOING TO BE AN ADD ON THAT AND
THERE YOU HAVE.
THERE YOU HAVE.
DO YOU DON LEMONS APOLOGY,
DO YOU DON LEMONS APOLOGY,
SAYING, I WAS ONLY LAUGHING AT
SAYING, I WAS ONLY LAUGHING AT
THAT INITIAL JOKE.
THAT INITIAL JOKE.
YOU NEXT TO A PICTURE OF A CRANE
YOU NEXT TO A PICTURE OF A CRANE
AND NOT ALL THE OTHER --
AND NOT ALL THE OTHER --
’S BEFORE FIRST OF ALL, THE JOKE
’S BEFORE FIRST OF ALL, THE JOKE
WAS ABOUT HOW DUMB TRUMP
WAS ABOUT HOW DUMB TRUMP
SUPPORTERS ARE, SO THAT IS WHAT
SUPPORTERS ARE, SO THAT IS WHAT
HE WAS LAUGHING AT.
HE WAS LAUGHING AT.
THIS IS CNN’S PROBLEM.
THIS IS CNN’S PROBLEM.
THEY NEVER OWNED THAT THEY ARE
THEY NEVER OWNED THAT THEY ARE
BIASED AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT
BIASED AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT
WHAT HE WAS LAUGHING AT WAS NOT
WHAT HE WAS LAUGHING AT WAS NOT
JUST BIAS, IT WAS VERY BIGOTED.
JUST BIAS, IT WAS VERY BIGOTED.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF YOU ON YOUR
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF YOU ON YOUR
SHOW HOW TO SEGMENT AND PEOPLE
SHOW HOW TO SEGMENT AND PEOPLE
WERE LAUGHING AND MAKING THOSE
WERE LAUGHING AND MAKING THOSE
KINDS OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE WAY
KINDS OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE WAY
PEOPLE SPEAK, HOW DUMB THEY ARE
PEOPLE SPEAK, HOW DUMB THEY ARE
AND GOING AFTER THE SAME --
AND GOING AFTER THE SAME --
>> Jesse: NEVER HAPPENED ON
>> Jesse: NEVER HAPPENED ON
THIS PROGRAM.
THIS PROGRAM.
>> Katie: BUT GOING AFTER VERY
>> Katie: BUT GOING AFTER VERY
SPECIFIC KINDS OF PEOPLE, VERY
SPECIFIC KINDS OF PEOPLE, VERY
SPECIFIC DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS, THE
SPECIFIC DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS, THE
WAY THEY TALK, HOW EDUCATED THEY
WAY THEY TALK, HOW EDUCATED THEY
ARE, HOW UNEDUCATED THEY ARE,
ARE, HOW UNEDUCATED THEY ARE,
AND THAT THEY ARE STUPID AND
AND THAT THEY ARE STUPID AND
THAT IS WHY THEY SUPPORT A
THAT IS WHY THEY SUPPORT A
CERTAIN PRESIDENT.
CERTAIN PRESIDENT.
THAT IS BIGOTRY AND THE STANDARD
THAT IS BIGOTRY AND THE STANDARD
IS DOUBLE.
IS DOUBLE.
AND CNN ACTS LIKE THEY ARE
AND CNN ACTS LIKE THEY ARE
OBJECTIVE AND UNLIMITED IS
OBJECTIVE AND UNLIMITED IS
PROVING THEY ARE NOT.
PROVING THEY ARE NOT.
>> Jesse: WOULD YOU CONSIDER
>> Jesse: WOULD YOU CONSIDER
THAT BIGOTRY?
THAT BIGOTRY?
>> Juan: NO, IT WAS NOT
>> Juan: NO, IT WAS NOT
DIRECTED IN TERMS OF ANYONE’S
DIRECTED IN TERMS OF ANYONE’S
RACE, ETHNICITY OR RELIGION.
RACE, ETHNICITY OR RELIGION.
>> Katie: YES IT WAS.
>> Katie: YES IT WAS.
IT DEFINITELY WAS.
IT DEFINITELY WAS.
>> Juan: OH, I DON’T THINK SO.
>> Juan: OH, I DON’T THINK SO.
IT WAS DIRECTED AT TRUMP
IT WAS DIRECTED AT TRUMP
SUPPORTERS.
SUPPORTERS.
>> Jesse: BUT THE SOUTHERN
>> Jesse: BUT THE SOUTHERN
TWANG.
TWANG.
>> Juan: YOU CAN GO ON WITH
>> Juan: YOU CAN GO ON WITH
THE GRIEVANCE, I GET THE POINT.
THE GRIEVANCE, I GET THE POINT.
THAT IS WHY THE AD EXISTS,
THAT IS WHY THE AD EXISTS,
BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES PLAY TO
BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES PLAY TO
THE WHOLE NOTION OF, WE POOR
THE WHOLE NOTION OF, WE POOR
CONSERVATIVES, WE TRUMP VOTERS,
CONSERVATIVES, WE TRUMP VOTERS,
WE ARE BEAT UP.
WE ARE BEAT UP.
>> Greg: THAT AS EVIDENCE.
>> Greg: THAT AS EVIDENCE.
>> Juan: I DON’T THINK THAT AS
>> Juan: I DON’T THINK THAT AS
EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE.
NUMBER ONE, I DO THINK DON LEMON
NUMBER ONE, I DO THINK DON LEMON
IS A SPIN GUY.
IS A SPIN GUY.
I THINK HE SHOULD OWN IT AND
I THINK HE SHOULD OWN IT AND
SAY, THIS IS WHAT I THINK.
SAY, THIS IS WHAT I THINK.
BUT YOUR .., I THINK A LOT OF
BUT YOUR .., I THINK A LOT OF
PEOPLE ON THE
DEMOCRATIC SIDES, HAVE PROBLEMS
DEMOCRATIC SIDES, HAVE PROBLEMS
WITH TRYING TO UNDERSTAND
WITH TRYING TO UNDERSTAND
UNVARNISHED, UNWAVERING SUPPORT
UNVARNISHED, UNWAVERING SUPPORT
FOR A GUY WHO IS OFF-PUTTING AND
FOR A GUY WHO IS OFF-PUTTING AND
DIVISIVE.
DIVISIVE.
>> Katie: BECAUSE THEY TALK
>> Katie: BECAUSE THEY TALK
LIKE THAT ABOUT >> Katie:
LIKE THAT ABOUT >> Katie:
SUPPORTERS AND DON’T MAKE AN
SUPPORTERS AND DON’T MAKE AN
EFFORT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION
EFFORT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION
WITH PEOPLE
WITH PEOPLE
OUTSIDE.
OUTSIDE.
HE’S NOT A STOMACH ATTACKING
HE’S NOT A STOMACH ATTACKING
TRUMP,
HE’S ATTACKING THE PEOPLE WHO
HE’S ATTACKING THE PEOPLE WHO
VOTE FOR THEM.
VOTE FOR THEM.
>> Juan: I THINK THAT IS
>> Juan: I THINK THAT IS
PRETTY IRONIC BECAUSE BOY DO I
PRETTY IRONIC BECAUSE BOY DO I
SEE REPUBLICANS MOCKING LIBS.
SEE REPUBLICANS MOCKING LIBS.
>> Jesse: IT HAPPENS ON BOTH
>> Jesse: IT HAPPENS ON BOTH
SIDES BUT THERE ARE REPUBLICANS
SIDES BUT THERE ARE REPUBLICANS
CONFUSED ON WHY OBAMA VOTERS DO
CONFUSED ON WHY OBAMA VOTERS DO
NOT SEE ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE
NOT SEE ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE
SHOWING THEM ABOUT HIS POLICIES
SHOWING THEM ABOUT HIS POLICIES
OR BEHAVIOR OR WHATEVER.
OR BEHAVIOR OR WHATEVER.
BOTH SIDES HAVE AN ADORING LOVE
BOTH SIDES HAVE AN ADORING LOVE
FOR WHOEVER THE PRESIDENT IS AT
FOR WHOEVER THE PRESIDENT IS AT
THE TIME.
THE TIME.
>> Greg: I’M JUST WONDERING
>> Greg: I’M JUST WONDERING
WHERE THE SOUTHERN POVERTY
WHERE THE SOUTHERN POVERTY
LAW CENTER IS ON THIS BECAUSE
LAW CENTER IS ON THIS BECAUSE
THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED HATE.
THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED HATE.
I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON, IS THIS
I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON, IS THIS
BIGOTRY OR NOT BIGOTRY, IT’S
BIGOTRY OR NOT BIGOTRY, IT’S
ACTUALLY CLASSISM, RIGHT?
ACTUALLY CLASSISM, RIGHT?
THEY ARE DEMEANING AN ENTIRE
THEY ARE DEMEANING AN ENTIRE
CLASS BUT THEY ARE USING A
CLASS BUT THEY ARE USING A
STEREOTYPICAL ACCENT WHEN THEY
STEREOTYPICAL ACCENT WHEN THEY
ARE DEMEANING THE CLASS, WHICH
ARE DEMEANING THE CLASS, WHICH
IS A FORM OF BIGOTRY.
IS A FORM OF BIGOTRY.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WHITE
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WHITE
REDNECKS.
REDNECKS.
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE BASICALLY
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE BASICALLY
DOING.
DOING.
THAT IS WHY THEY LAUGHED.
THAT IS WHY THEY LAUGHED.
>> Juan: RICK WILSON IS A
>> Juan: RICK WILSON IS A
REPUBLICAN, BY THE WAY.
REPUBLICAN, BY THE WAY.
BUT THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE WHO
BUT THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE WHO
SPEAK LIKE THAT.
SPEAK LIKE THAT.
>> Greg: YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE
>> Greg: YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE
THAT IS WHERE CNN TOOK THE
THAT IS WHERE CNN TOOK THE
STEREOTYPE FROM AND APPLIED IT
STEREOTYPE FROM AND APPLIED IT
TO THE WHITES.
TO THE WHITES.
MAYBE THEY JUST PUSHED IT OVER
MAYBE THEY JUST PUSHED IT OVER
HERE.
HERE.
THAT COULD BE IT.
THAT COULD BE IT.
LOOK, THEY CAN’T RECONCILE THEIR
LOOK, THEY CAN’T RECONCILE THEIR
FEELINGS WITH THE WORLD OUTSIDE.
FEELINGS WITH THE WORLD OUTSIDE.
THE WORLD OUTSIDE HAS LEFT THEM
THE WORLD OUTSIDE HAS LEFT THEM
BEHIND AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE
BEHIND AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE
HAVING A PROBLEM PIER THE RICK
HAVING A PROBLEM PIER THE RICK
WILSONS OF THE WORLD, NOW THEY
WILSONS OF THE WORLD, NOW THEY
ARE STUCK IN THIS FEEDBACK LOOP
ARE STUCK IN THIS FEEDBACK LOOP
WHERE ALL THEY CAN DO IS GO
WHERE ALL THEY CAN DO IS GO
ON
ON
CNN AND PUT OUT.
CNN AND PUT OUT.
THEY PUT OUT, THEY INVITE YOU
THEY PUT OUT, THEY INVITE YOU
BACK.
BACK.
THAT IS ALL THAT WAS.
THAT IS ALL THAT WAS.
LEMON KIND OF HUNG HIM OUT TO
LEMON KIND OF HUNG HIM OUT TO
DRY THERE BUT I DON’T LOOK DOWN
DRY THERE BUT I DON’T LOOK DOWN
ON THEM BECAUSE I WAS THEM.
ON THEM BECAUSE I WAS THEM.
I WAS THEM.
I WAS THEM.
I WAS IN NEVER-TRUMPER, THEN
I WAS IN NEVER-TRUMPER, THEN
WHEN HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT I
WHEN HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT I
DECIDED TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE,
DECIDED TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE,
FOCUS ON THE MEASURABLE RESULTS
FOCUS ON THE MEASURABLE RESULTS
AND NOT THE TWEETS, AND HE HAS
AND NOT THE TWEETS, AND HE HAS
IMPRESSED ME.
IMPRESSED ME.
I CHANGED MY TUNE.
I CHANGED MY TUNE.
AND I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, THEY
AND I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, THEY
CAN’T DO THAT.
CAN’T DO THAT.
THEY ARE STUCK IN THEIR PRISON.
THEY ARE STUCK IN THEIR PRISON.
>> Jesse: I ACTUALLY MADE A
>> Jesse: I ACTUALLY MADE A
SIMILAR POINT, THIS UKRAINE
SIMILAR POINT, THIS UKRAINE
THING.
THING.
YOU CAN GO ON THE STREET AND ASK
YOU CAN GO ON THE STREET AND ASK
ANYONE WHERE UKRAINE IS, TELL ME
ANYONE WHERE UKRAINE IS, TELL ME
ABOUT UKRAINE.
ABOUT UKRAINE.
I ACTUALLY DID THAT, AND NO ONE
I ACTUALLY DID THAT, AND NO ONE
REALLY KNEW MUCH ABOUT UKRAINE,
REALLY KNEW MUCH ABOUT UKRAINE,
AND THEY DIDN’T REALLY
AND THEY DIDN’T REALLY
UNDERSTAND THE CONTROVERSY.
UNDERSTAND THE CONTROVERSY.
AND THAT IS NOT DEMEANING THE
AND THAT IS NOT DEMEANING THE
INTELLIGENCE OF PEOPLE.
INTELLIGENCE OF PEOPLE.
THAT IS JUST SAYING IT DOESN’T
THAT IS JUST SAYING IT DOESN’T
REALLY RISE TO THE LEVEL OF
REALLY RISE TO THE LEVEL OF
SOMETHING THAT THEY CARE ABOUT
SOMETHING THAT THEY CARE ABOUT
EMOTIONALLY AS AN AMERICAN.
EMOTIONALLY AS AN AMERICAN.
>> Dana: IT REMINDS ME OF IN
>> Dana: IT REMINDS ME OF IN
THE 2000 ELECTION, ONE OF THE
THE 2000 ELECTION, ONE OF THE
REPORTERS, JUAN, YOU MIGHT
REPORTERS, JUAN, YOU MIGHT
REMEMBER, ASKED GEORGE W. BUSH
REMEMBER, ASKED GEORGE W. BUSH
TO NAME PRESIDENT OF SLOVENIA
TO NAME PRESIDENT OF SLOVENIA
AND OTHERS.
AND OTHERS.
AND THE WHOLE NARRATIVE WAS,
AND THE WHOLE NARRATIVE WAS,
THIS GUY IS SO DUMB THAT HE
THIS GUY IS SO DUMB THAT HE
DOESN’T KNOW WHO THE PRESIDENT
DOESN’T KNOW WHO THE PRESIDENT
OF SLOVENIA IS, AND I CAN’T
OF SLOVENIA IS, AND I CAN’T
REMEMBER THE OTHER ONES.
REMEMBER THE OTHER ONES.
IT JUST REMINDS ME OF THAT.
IT JUST REMINDS ME OF THAT.
UNNECESSARY.
UNNECESSARY.
I DON’T LOVE THE IDEA, WE COULD
I DON’T LOVE THE IDEA, WE COULD
BE AN AD, RIGHT?
BE AN AD, RIGHT?
THEY COULD TAKE CLIPS FROM US.
THEY COULD TAKE CLIPS FROM US.
BECAUSE EVERYTHING WILL BE FAIR
BECAUSE EVERYTHING WILL BE FAIR
GAME.
GAME.
>> Katie: USING OUR SHOW WAS A
>> Katie: USING OUR SHOW WAS A
BAD EXAMPLE.
BAD EXAMPLE.
>> Greg: I THINK I WAS IN AN
>> Greg: I THINK I WAS IN AN
ELIZABETH WARREN AD.
ELIZABETH WARREN AD.
WE’VE BEEN IN ADS.
WE’VE BEEN IN ADS.
>> Katie: I WAS IN A
>> Katie: I WAS IN A
JERRY NADLER FUND-RAISING EMAIL.
JERRY NADLER FUND-RAISING EMAIL.
>> Greg: OH, WOW, THAT IS A
>> Greg: OH, WOW, THAT IS A
GREAT BRAG.
GREAT BRAG.
>> Katie: YEAH, I DON’T KNOW
