this will be podcast number one of Homie
and The Dude st is Jay Marriott one of
Tom's all basketball players and a good
friend of mine and friend of problems as
well things are like a disclaimer there
might be some language that people might
not like and some taboo topics that
might be touched upon if you're not a
fan of that you can always click off the
video after after that Jay so we're
dealing with COBIT at the moment and
there's been a bit of a battle but I
know something in all this darkness a
bit like came for you the other day
apparently a you turned 39 yes yes sir
sadly so I'm hurtling towards the big 4
oh well like versus a normal birthday
like for you I mean it a little bit
strange but to be fair like I don't
really I don't really do much around my
birthday because my son's birthday is
like two days later so really what my
son ends up doing is having two
birthdays we we set up a big zoom call
with all our family to be there and they
son happy birthday it was pretty much
for my son not me oh and we did a talent
show yeah so we I did I had to get that
in there as well
I didn't kill out any talent whatsoever
but everybody else did yeah didn't even
spin a ball on your finger do nothing
nothing happens for me I was just gonna
start there holding the chocolate cake
and and just smiling hey dude we saw
some of your talent on display and you
always you know where we saw it so we
were just bode at bode and I would just
scrolling through some of your like
socials and we saw I guess was a tick
tock or something like that but you
doing like the you and Cassie on the
deck doing like the full-on that was
pretty good man you guys were like he
had it sure showing some people some
moves we actually we actually keep
getting requests people told us we need
to get
back on tick tock so we kind of we kind
of went hard at it for like a week I
ended up jumping in like ice cold river
yeah just to do a Will Ferrell sort of
sketch and that was like the apex of my
tick-tock career and then I've kind of
eased back but you never know we may
make a reunion or a resurgence
absolutely okay so your son's birthday
is a couple days after because you're on
the fifth right my son's on like the
seventh or eighth or something like that
seventh that's right yeah nice so do you
find like for you as a dad that that's
like a super enriching time like also
it's close to Easter as well so actually
in that time period you've got a lot of
celebrating yeah well I mean like we you
know obviously but maybe you don't know
but I'm a member of the Church of Jesus
Christ latter-day saints so like
obviously Easter is is like a big time
for us and then yeah like you said our
birthdays being so close together and
just to build up like I just love to
build up and the excitement and also we
have something called General Conference
so that happens two times a year where
where our prophet and our apostles come
together and they and they talk to us
basically they give us messages and it's
a really cool life it's a lot of fun
it's that time of year for me is
probably one of my favorite to be fair
just I love April nice yeah I can
imagine a couple of birthdays and again
and obviously I've not talked to you
about it but some religious stuff that
you're doing that's it man that sounds
real really let me ask can I ask you
about this apostle so is that like are
they representative to the church that
talk to you or is it like artsy like
that some mother and like I didn't
really get that yeah so I guess I guess
the difference between kind of arson and
Christians so we're all Christians but
different fundamental differences we
still believe in prophets still now
so whereas people may have ended their
their journey with profits coming into
sort of like Moses and those kind of
times in it
you know to some people even believe
Jesus is and instead of being a son of
God we're very focused on the fact that
we're very focused on Jesus Christ and
we're very focused on we have a prophet
and also our quorum of 12 which
represents you know that that era coming
all the way through to now so we believe
that you know our profit gets revelation
from Heavenly Father and then him and
his it quorum
basically just talk and they tell
messages and there's a lot of messages
going on throughout the weekend and the
beauty of it is every single person will
pick up something completely different
that they perhaps need where they were
looking for you know it sort of speaks
them so yeah that's a really interesting
time well I find it I found it really
interesting even before I joined the
church so when I was out in Utah and I
was around there around the first kind
of General Conference like there and
still it was just you know from from a
faraway standpoint it was really
interesting let alone now being a part
of the church yeah okay so um do you
feel like I don't know if it's going
from someone who's on the outside - then
someone being on the inside do you feel
like you were able to get a nice like
understanding from you outside with them
once you're in it grew like
exponentially with in your life and
within like I don't know family life and
things like that yeah well I kind of I
talked about this conversion quite often
so I talk coming up on Friday with some
missionaries that's even at that's
another that's even another path going
on but they're gonna come on and kind of
talk to me about my conversion and I say
that it was it was you know 20 odd years
in the making because my first
experience was around about 17 18 when I
was being recruited in the state one of
the teams recruit me was BYU white and
that's how I got to know David Evans so
you know Tom will know of David Evans
and so we became real close I didn't go
into that school
because David being in my life every
single time we sort of connected I would
have some sort of experience with the
church and then obviously when I moved
to Utah you know that is as bigger
experience as you can get in the LDS
community yeah you just you just can't
get anymore of the hit of that of the
the faith and the community aspect et
cetera et cetera and just just having
more time with it and more time to
understand it I just fell in love with
it so yeah I'm like personally myself
I'm not religious but after having
traveled a couple of times out to Asia
and also like I've seen a lot of Europe
and whatnot experiencing so many
different types of religion especially
like in India there's like three or four
religions that are like trying to
dominate you within like different
regions of the country and one more so
it's it's really nice to I love hearing
perspectives of people that are
religious and hearing thoughts and
perspectives also on what is going on in
day to day life and how that kind of
affects their practice as well like I
assume it's harder for you to practice
during Kofi's like what are you doing at
the moment in terms of practicing yeah
so in terms of the church obviously
they've kind of closed charities and we
also have temples that run alongside and
church so everything's kind of closed at
the minute but we we've kind of got
special special sort of license to it
from from the bishop me to administer
the sacrament here at home so we do that
as a family you know we've got a very
young family so we make it really brief
and just give them like a really nice
kind of small story and then our church
actually probably about a month ago of
kind of sort out as soon called just to
have an hour where somebody might take a
lesson or something like that if you
want to want to try and jump in there so
you know but if anything really with
lockdown it has enabled me alongside of
a bunch of other stuff base enabled us
really to really come closer with our
faith we've had that but a little bit
more time
to distort read and study and and pray
and you know life life's not getting in
the way which know sometimes it just
does and you know we can we can all do
better so it's given me a bit of time I
guess a hundred percent you know I was I
was just thinking imagining when you're
talking then you know having to rush
through like making dinner and doing
stuff like that and fitting that kind of
stuff in in normal day-to-day life seems
a bit obscure but when you've got hours
where you just sat like well what do we
do yeah it's yeah it feels it quite
nicely I'm super cool man yeah I was
gonna say so Jay with regard to the
church like so I've had some things in
my journey and Bodie you have as well
that have been you know they're there
they've come into your life for a reason
at a certain time and and you've
probably been open to receiving them at
a certain time but what do you think was
like the real draw at the time where you
were like you up I need to do this now
like this is that you know I've thought
about it I've heard about it I've been
around it it's time for me to jump with
her it was her was there stuff going on
that that sort of
you in that direction because you you
you needed something else or was it just
like a progression of you just kind of
like took the next step of you know many
steps that you had taken before that and
just it was just kind of like crossing
the line sort of naturally yeah I mean I
think there's there's a number of
factors I think that one of the factors
for me is like if we look at my time
playing professional sport and even
coaches before I was maybe like a little
bit of an oddball we're winning winning
didn't fulfill me so it is a very
strange feeling for me that you know you
know is lucky enough to get to the top
and that at the mountain a couple of
times double if I'm tabbing setbacks and
stuff like that but the next day you
know I wanted to move on and get onto
the protest and stuff like that there's
a couple times where I've known guys
kind of kind of disappeared and they're
celebrating and you for it and so don't
get me wrong you know in the moment of
course um it's a it's a big feeling but
you know you would I was always at that
point where I would just say to myself
like is this it you know is it is this
kind of as as kind of good as it gets
there's always been that little bit of
an itch or with a couple of that a long
time the fact that you know when my
grandfather passed away my grandfather
was like like my dad my best friend the
person I can attribute to me making it
in basketball like just everything and
when he passed away and that created a
big void that I just couldn't address
I just couldn't dress it like for a long
time I spent time feeling very very
guilty because I couldn't think of him
and so there was a lot of that kind of
going on and I think for a lot of people
I think you get to a point in life where
it's sadly if if somebody very close to
you and loved one family member a friend
or anything like that
passes away you do want to understand or
believe that you'll see them again you
know because in my mind I think that if
you if not and and you just think
kind of a definitive end I just think
this there's a morbid next to that that
that would probably hold me back from
achieving anything I think is he would
just kind of be like really and then I
guess that you know the third factor was
I'd been offered a great job in the
state and I've been spending you know
quite a bit of time in Utah but
obviously you know that NOAA is with the
previous relationship which is my oldest
son
and he's always going to be in Plymouth
for the rest of his life and the more
and more I was kind of becoming
connected to sort of working with the
program and things like that
less and less time i had to to be able
to being a dad and that was really
conflicted me so that was really brined
in because you know I wanted to coach in
the college game for probably before I
even took a pro job you know I I didn't
really want a coach Pro like the
collegiate game is what I love and then
having to source hey you'd be offering
me my dream job right now
thanks for no thanks and so that you
know that that was incredibly tough as
well so this was now opening up the next
chapter of my life and yeah I just think
but I just think that he was ready for
me to kind of receive the message I was
ready to receive a message and and
that's that's how it's happened it was
it wasn't easy you know because a lot of
people and can view our religion the
wrong way and so you know I'm most
definitely up my grandmother calling me
up thinking I was joining a cult and you
know friends thinking that I was gonna
change and everything else like that I
think that you know it's been nearly
three and a half nearly four years now
since since I got baptized and I I'm not
different and you know I made view
myself as inside as a person as having
become a better man but nothing's
changed about about me and my
personality and I think everybody just
kind of relaxed
Psalms like okay it's his yeah he's not
going off the deep end
yeah yeah he's not going off the rails
hello hey mode yeah did when Jay said
what when I got baptized did you all
think about the actual like processes
huh yeah yeah like someone Jay did you
just say that you so you had an offer
for a collegiate coaching job and then
you were like you you pushed that aside
to come back and stay with implements to
view your son yeah yeah so I was out in
Utah so initially when I was out in Utah
I was helping my buddy David Evan so I
was helping him out with his high school
program so it's a national sort of
powerhouse really long peep which is
probably 80 80 85 % LDS kids so you know
every you know everybody's on the on the
tour same page and be incredible amount
of elite athletes not just in basketball
that come out of that tiny high school
this situated under a mountain it's
beautiful but it's a small school is
incredible money helping out so the
pressure wasn't on me you know so slowly
he's the head coach you know and I was
helping him with everything that fits
around that so you know I kind of had a
luxury really so I would do to
individual development so they had a
really good trainer and Paul Peterson
and he played over ed quite a high level
in Europe and they'd come back and his
his kind of individuals were completely
different to what I taught mine was much
more European
so we blended those two and you know I
did some struggling pitching in
I worked with some of the up-and-coming
kids so some of the kids coming into
their freshman year so it was kind of
easy breezy
it wasn't easy breezy but it was you
know like it wasn't my program you know
I got to head off go lift weights
whenever I wanted you know I mean I
could take a back seat
then on three we I met a college coach
through David Evans and he's an older
guy that was also the athletic director
at snow college so it was a nationally
ranked junior college which is just
perfect for me like that that was that's
where I wanted to be and he was just
like look I've been trying to pass my
program on for a number of years but
just have not had the right system and
come up have a talk so we went up we had
a chat
he got me to outline what what he thinks
that I would do with the program is they
they're in a rare situation where they
can hand out 12 scholarships as a junior
college so they had I think they had a
French kid they're different Belgian a
kid from Africa so they had an
international program as well so yeah
everything about it just just absolutely
son to me but I think there was just a
moment in that in that journey that was
kind of nagging at me you know sadly I
didn't have my dad around when I was
younger I'd see him one once a year and
you know genuinely start to eat away at
me and at the same time you know I was I
was having my experience with the jokes
I was learning more about me my beliefs
what fit with me what felt right you
know so that that sort of internal
mixture was was a crazy one I can
imagine you that's a that's a hell of a
big step to take and only that to make
that decision dude cuz you're throwing
your own life balance is you know a new
life balance that's up and progressing I
guess would be the other way to put it
in you know it's yeah man you choosing
those kinds of decisions are real hard I
actually wrote down a couple of
questions I want to ask you about being
a dad and stuff yeah because you know
you've got three kids and from what I
see on social media you're constantly
especially out during co-ed you know
taking them for adventure walks and you
know down at the river
and hanging out with them and constantly
trying to find some ways to do stuff so
um and not only that but also apparently
you also have family comes first or
family first
on each tattoo tattooed on each calf
isn't that right that's right yeah yeah
that's the you know I mean if that
doesn't send enough that you're willing
to put it put it on your body you know
that's that's what's so the mantra the
mantra exactly do exactly so a question
about being a dad what would you say you
know you just talked about an amazing
decision that you made is about what's
something that you know as a dad for
people who are listening or people who
do eventually this this hopefully what's
something that you would say is
something that you may have failed at or
something that you felt was a mistake
that you made that you've learned the
most from as a dad early on I think this
is time management so my time coaching
in the pros was just a real tumultuous
time like I just did not handle not
handle situations that were coming at me
very well and my nature is I you know
I'm a grinder you know so like there's
there's there's no talent here you know
like it I wasn't being recruited by
every Division one school in the States
when I headed to the stage like you know
I wasn't the most athletic kid and you
know when when I went to the state so
when when I played pro it it was all
from just grinding it out and just
working harder and so so I was literally
driving myself into the ground at that
time so I'd say that that that was
pretty much a big miss a big mistake
because now is my daughter so that's our
youngest she's literally like stuck for
me from day one so since she was born
you know so she's a genuine daddy's girl
and like I've had that fine through the
younger that's the the real younger
years and that you know that kinda comes
with a price of guilt as well you know
because I think I've kind of missed out
on that spiders
things but
yeah I think it's just it's the best
thing you'll ever do in your life you
know it's people just you know what
people are like people love tits they're
giving you that advice and different
things like that you just gotta just
gonna find out for yourself it's the
hardest thing that you're ever gonna do
it is the most precious thing you get
ever gonna do but it's the most amazing
thing that you're ever going to do yeah
a hundred percent no dude that's that's
a good one I think actually you know Tom
I'm sure you can relate to what Jay said
it's like um it's interesting because
I'm so we're very very similar Jay in in
all in all of those talks but what I was
gonna say is most two things really it
back to you bode because you're on the
other side of this so effectively you
were on like the NOAA side in Jays life
in in our relationship right so how was
it for you to be on the child side on
the kid's side of having a father that
was very similar like we're very similar
j'ni to just being grinders working is
every hour of the day to be successful
but at an expense that you do realize at
some point but when you're in it it's
almost like you can't get yourself out
of it but what was it like for for you
to live in that household honestly it
was I would say you were hard to live
with in some ways because of one
expectations that you would set yourself
and expect everyone else in the
household to meet those expectations
when not everyone in the house grinds as
hard as you do or like even hat or even
does like focuses like in the intense
way that you do with a project so I
think for me like I know you and Mia for
many years when we first moved to
England like when I first started
looking at like high school and why I
wanted to go for like English what we
call college the two years and I mean in
between before university so like from
16 to 18 and I was like and at that time
you kind of wanted me to go to
university and I did not want to go to
universe
and it was I think a lot because of your
American like upbringing in terms of in
America you go to uni so I think for me
on my end it was more just the
expectations that were set for me I
often felt like I couldn't meet so I
would almost self-sabotage myself and
our relationship because of that but I
think honestly it does I think it's
something is all that I suck does as
with like something you realize as an
adult that even as a kid that you kind
of sucked ass like I realize now as a
kid I spent a lot of time like out
skating and out doing this kind of stuff
and like through my teenage years I said
this to you guys like when I went
traveling my moved out but especially in
the last couple years before I moved out
I really regretted not spending more
time with you guys because it was kind
of the last couple years of my teenager
that I was going to be living at home
relying on mom and dad you know looking
after you know being looked after rather
than you know relying on myself to make
money to pay bills do everything you
know whatever and I think my biggest
thing was both the realization that
learning from you being bad with time
management so then me realizing that I
was by the time management and to now
later in my life trying to make as much
effort as I can with you mom in terms of
coming over for like lunch and dinners
and Mike coming out to see you or like
taking mom for a coffee you know that
kind of and you and me doing UFC nights
or whatever you know that kind of stuff
is what I would say is the thing that I
ended up learning from all experience
was like it's my job now in later life
to pack in that time with you guys yeah
would it took home like did you kind of
find like it
you still think and no times though you
still think that you're you're doing the
right thing for your kids just a
different perspective right you know so
like it's not that it wasn't for me it
wasn't like a sophist it it it was it
it's like I don't know what the best way
to describe it but you know you think
that working harder and getting yourself
into a better situation and a better
financial on and then you
have that time later and I was kind of
my perspective was you know a college
job a college job in can can drastically
sort of change the financial aspect of
situations there and then and then you
think you can have that time but it you
know it's it's not from a bad place yeah
no it's not but the I've told this to
Bodi and to Tracy it took me to find a
way and this might have been how you you
might have used the church to do this J
but for me it was it was meditation to
step outside to like slow down enough to
get some perspective and look at how
like what I was what I was doing and so
all of the things that I was doing I
provided her and a coach and someone's
just trying to succeed succeed succeed
in my mind at that time was it's for the
betterment of the family like this is
going to help us with finances and with
our future and all this other stuff
in retrospect taking a step away there
was some ego involved as well right it
was all about me and the family was
chasing around me like you know it was
like I was the Formula One driver and
they were my pit crew and not a lot of
times like they they did it because they
loved me but at some point it was like
it was too much and I was never
satisfied and I always wanted more and
they never had like me just you know
completely like unplugged and just to be
available with them and it took me many
many years to look at that and I
remember coming back from my first
meditation retreat I was gone for ten
days I came back and I apologized to
them because I had that perspective for
the first time in my life I was like
holy shit this was like this was a big
time
yes the breeze the underlying reasons
kind of made sense but underneath it all
as well there was ego there was this
self-drive the selfishness all of those
things were wrapped up and it was not a
nice it was not a pretty picture for me
so that's what you started changing
things in a big way for me to just kind
of like be more available seem more
present yeah I think it's like I think I
think the the best
he's just being humbled so for me for me
it was my use of faith but for you is
that you know that ability that
meditation and step outside each other
but it's still exactly the same
experiences is that I think that we were
able to kind of quiet quiet the world
and the expectations that come from the
world and let's focus on really what's
important you know what matters to you
and have reflection on those things only
and you know and then you can build you
can build from there and you know that's
that journey work me do you know I would
I would say on the whole self like
sabotage kind of thing and we like doing
that thing where you think you're doing
it for the right reasons but sometimes
it doesn't the results aren't always
that I think what should be called is
Walter white syndrome you're cooking the
math for your family but it's not really
a good like thing at the end it's just a
little bit of water white syndrome it's
a good one it's gonna go wrong at the
end for sure let me just say this the
whole reason you ask that question is
because you know J how you and I are
obsessed we're have been obsessed with
like success and the next thing and in
yeah this whole other area of
achievement and everything I think Bodie
you have a similar drive but it's
channeled toward relationship and family
like having your own family being a
father being in it being a good relation
like your obsessiveness has has been a
parallel path it's just not chasing
after a thing it's chasing after fucking
axe murderer Jesus he some booty laughs
Ryan centers or me something like no I
would agree in some senses my my thing
is I've wanted I don't know I like as a
kid I was lucky you hit me exposure to
movies that probably didn't do me a lot
of good long-term but it's something
like I fell in love with those like you
meet the right girl
and that's it and once you know you know
in like that's how it goes and stuff and
so I guess my thing was like trying to
find that right person so yeah for me
for years my drive has been put into
like dating like people that I think are
the right ones until like eventually
shit falls through or whatever and like
just battling through that and learning
how to be a good partner I think is the
thing that I really work on in my life
it's the one thing that I really give
the biggest shit about I think is just
being a good partner and being
respectful and providing but also then
you know like you said time management
making sure that I'm doing dates and
buying flowers and being on top of my
fucking shit and looking after and
whatnot so yeah I think you're right on
in many ways my life is driven towards
just being a better person in a
relationship as well as finding
the one yeah yeah yeah he found the one
I think so I think so I area I know I
know she's she's about a she's a little
most sick human being ever like I've
never had anyone who gets my humor and
he respects me like this and treats me
amazing I've been like vegan for years
now for like littering nearly two years
because of her and so it's just my life
has changed drastically and it's like
it's really nice I'm super happy I
couldn't couldn't be more happy with who
I am right now it's pretty dope no
complaints really but no yeah I guess
like the overwhelming factors there were
all family guys here and we love we love
the family would you say J just bringing
it back to your tattoos in terms of in
terms of making decisions about getting
tattoos about family if you got anything
else family related tatted up have you
any other family related to dues yeah so
I've got I've got all my kids tatted on
me I've got a wife tattooed on me I'm
the big quote guy so like I like I like
a lot of quotes so I wouldn't say I'm
done yet maybe but I just try to forget
about how much it hurts and then end up
going back I guess but so how many hours
have you sat currently written oh man -
too many because you got a factor in you
go to fact doing the stupid ones that
you get when you're like 17 so then you
got a factor in pay into to try and do
the cover-up to make sure that you know
that they're good so we've had to do
that and I guess also like you know you
go through that spell where 1 2 or 3 is
kind of cool like little ones then then
it's kind of a little bit more then
everybody's got like sleeve I've got
like I've got all of me tatted on my my
hand and then that's you know my
my wife and my kids the rest of my kids
and I've got family members passed away
that I don't mean so yeah but you know
families family's a big factor but I
think that for a long time I didn't I
haven't known how to express that the
right way out him to to build the right
to the right bridges to live by that
entre the really you know really after
after credit my wife does that change in
me in terms of the effort the effort
that she puts into all our family is
incredible you know so whereas sometimes
I can be kind of standoffish and and
maybe not communicate as much as I
shared etc etc she is on point and and
very very strongly lives by that mantra
which again makes me better that's
exactly where it's at has there been any
is there any any tattoo regrets any one
thing you're like that one needs to go
at some point of course it probably the
worst one was when I was 17 I went to a
tattoo I went to a tattoo shop just to
get the Miami Heat time
all the fire basketball going through
the hoop at the time and and the guy was
like yeah I don't know why I thought I
could just rock up in a tattoo shop and
he just he just go and so he was like I
don't have a book in until like five or
six hours later so I was like keen get
it and I was like okay no problems so
I've gone off in town and at that time
like a big influence in my life
musically was Eminem you know like that
first album that dropped and it decided
that kind of like teenage darkness to it
and people just kind of gravitate
towards that I think and I remember
seeing a poster of him with this tattoo
with with the flames and yeah i was just
impulsive you know so I went and bought
a poster and took it to the tattoo guy
and told him to do that and then I guess
figured out later on that you know
within
that graphic there was like a bunch of
like big mushrooms and different things
like that
and just completely like stuff that
didn't didn't pertain and the Sun in in
didn't came to me whatsoever
yeah well I rock I've robbed it with
pride for a couple of years and then
thinking the sense I was gonna say I've
got I've got some bad ones as well man
so I feel that you got it I think that's
that part of the journey Oh a hundred
seven you know you're saying about
forget about the pain that's like my one
thing I find that when I go big
distances of time without getting
tattoos when like then get another
tattoo it's so much worse than if I have
like to in like the space of like two
monies I'm like yeah like that's totally
fine but after a year or so I'm like oh
actually hurts again I think when you
get older pain threshold because I I
used to be able to do big teens you know
like big three four or five our sins but
not anymore
I'm like on an hour on an hour and then
see how I see it see how I'm rolling
yeah an hour and we'll see where we're
at absolutely I'm not yeah I'm not on
board with much more than I could I
could maybe push three hours at tops
this point but I'm not getting from
which one that Tom Tom sat for I've seen
him sit for seven hours before that was
pretty normally yeah deep into the
meditation zone yeah I had to like well
the thing is with tattoos as well like
you have different parts of your body
that respond differently right so
there's certain parts of body like I had
a fair amount on my ribs so that was not
not nice and then there's certain parts
just like weirdness on your I think on
my pack just some just felt like it was
burning more than other parts and and
then the inside of your arm as well
that's pretty wicked so I guess it
depends where it is but there's you know
there's parts where they're doing that
you you're okay with and then they'll
come to something that feels like
that pretty much don't even know you had
a stone that's cool
I have one large tattoo it's a it's sort
of starts around here
goes around the back and sort of does
this chest area and down my ribs a bit
yeah I'll show him what is cool yeah
it's a it was hilarious as well the
interaction was pretty funny we are we
kind of like ransacked a whole studio
for the day it was like Tracy got a
couple of tattoos I got a couple tattoos
and like my friend Myles got a couple
tattoos and Tom guy is like big chess
piece and we had all their artists like
in one studio working at the fact the
fact the family tats I love it everybody
knows that
Tracy's the rebel or the family anyway
so like he probably enjoyed that it was
dude I have a tattoo on me right now
that Tracy incited through so do you
remember there was like an internet
trend called the floors lava where you
like you shout one two three and then
everyone has to jump off buff that off
the ground so we went on a family
holiday a few years ago
and my mom made a rule that we're gonna
play the floor is lava and every time
you fail to be off the ground you either
have to buy everyone drinks or you have
to get a tally tattooed so now I have
I'm not sure if you can see that I have
12 tallies on my fingers from a from a
really rough week in Italy where I lost
that game constantly yeah so it says
yeah
tattoos are fun man like they're they're
super addictive as well that's the one
thing that like I don't think many
people often bring up is that everyone's
like oh they heard so much but it's the
addiction to it as well like once you
get the first couple you're like oh and
also like I think something also that
people don't mention is like your POV
change like your personal view of your
life now has changed because there's art
on your body like that's completely
different from what you've experienced
four years of your life that now when
you when people see the UI bar on your
body it's like and you say it's
completely different so yeah I mean it's
me personally you know it shows a
journey no see each one of them that you
can look at people can either pick out
you know a certain era of my life that
they were in or I can tell them a story
of that year of my life as well so I
think it becomes for me it went from
just trying to be cool or a badass or
whatever I was trying to do at that time
to then just it being more like about
like expressive you know it's a
representation of my body and I think
honestly over the years as well I've got
a little chip on my shoulder that that I
wanted to break the mold of how people
viewed somebody with the amount of tats
that I've got so like just really
enjoying pleasure when I first joined
the church as well just enjoyed changing
people's like perspectives on what a
dude can be like with which leads you
know like it doesn't have to be this the
stereotype I was gonna say man like I
can imagine like looking at you you
definitely don't assume that you're
involved with the church at all like
that's the one thing like I said to Tom
the other day something that really
learned like more from traveling just
because it just cures your ignorance I
believe and it like the thing I learned
is you can never guess someone's
religion or anything like that based off
of who what they wearing what they look
like who they are like I've tried so
many times to try and like predict that
shit and like I'm wrong like 95% of the
time unless you're eating vegetarian
that I'm guessing Buddhists like other
than that like it's impossible hard to
try and guess what people are yeah for
sure I think dude that's a that's a real
sick way to look at it as well and I
think like dude going in there and
change in some old lady's minds and
stuff will probably do them some human
some worlds of good actually I say over
opens people's minds sure yeah I'm sure
yeah I'm sure and normally not but like
that's that's a big part of life is you
need to have things where especially
because tattoos are becoming so popular
and so accepted in culture these days
that it's like older generation
need to like at least try again combo oh
yeah it's hard talking about that and
you lived you lived with your granddad
didn't you yeah yeah so I yeah I pretty
much grew up with my granny and
grandfather so hello that would then in
terms of like the generational
difference obviously like being almost
further amused at it was the best thing
for me honestly so my my mother had a
serious accident at work 50 her ex-boy
where she actually had to spend well
near enough a year like in a bed and so
yeah I was pretty much living my gran
and granddad and then geographically
because of where the schools were set up
and where my mum was living and things
like that I was spending it then went to
spending the week with them and go to my
mum's on the weekend but but he just had
certainly you know they just had such
unbelievable structure and you know
there was I was just playing sport
constantly so every single aspect of
sport that I could be playing I would be
playing and I saw I wasn't I wasn't in
that street-urchin life because there
was too much around me so it was kind of
you know I mean home going to whatever
it was it was doing you know Saints in
come to bed every night you know to the
you know I wasn't overdoing it in terms
of you know being able to perform as so
many different aspects of sport so yeah
for me it was great you know and also
that's probably dumb probably six five
because they just fed me like you know a
buffalo yeah I loved it you know great
memories the only thing that used it
like really hacked me off was that back
then there was a movie on my ITV and
they're usually the best movies were on
ITV back then there would always be the
news it would stop the news at ten
o'clock he walked in this movie but I
had to go to bed when the news came on
so I watched the first half of probably
a few hundred movies the ends of them
sacrifice you pay right yeah I mean yeah
for sure yeah yeah so we loved it and
and and also like you know I I wanted to
do apart from like when I was doing teen
forward so I wanted to do as much as I
possibly could with my granddad so we
were just competing at everything so if
I wasn't doing sports then we would go
swimming we would go hiking we would
play pool we were play snooker
we were played all right we break off
yeah I got sweeps me I like split his
head open by accident then when I was
younger but with it with a golf club but
we you know I just what he was my best
friend so I wanted to do everything with
him first and then I would do the rest
of that everything else would fit in
around it nice so was he with you
military man and was he English born in
England yeah born in England yeah no he
worked in the dock yard all his life he
was on the tugboat so their boats that
bring in the military battle so at the
time yeah Plymouth was still a big naval
town so he was very much involved in in
yeah bringing that bringing them in from
the town to make detroy that they don't
round it up and and get into the
dockyard safely for the repairs or a
docking or whatever they were doing so
he pretty much did that you know enough
all his life
okay that's that's pretty dope so from
the sounds of it you guys like hiking
and swimming stuff was he like a younger
granddad like I can just just assume by
a physical activity was he like a
younger granddad
yeah he was just and he was just a
competitor you know so like he you know
I get it now with my kids and my wife
tells me off all the time but he
wouldn't let me win anything you know so
like everything was earned yes yes it
just it just really yeah gravitated
towards my inner inner drive I love that
you know - I knew I knew when I was
getting to that so you know those
certain ages where I was kind of winning
things and you know it would be anything
but we would be out walking and and we
would like bet on it sprint you know it
would just be relentless competition so
yeah yeah he wouldíve he was he was
young a heart for sure if you don't mind
me asking how long how many years ago
did you did you pass away and that's a
great question
um eight I want to say eight seven eight
years ago I think so I still I was just
yeah a eight and a bit years ago so
because it was just before Noah was born
so he you know if you're a big believer
in you know if somebody passes another
person comes taking the mantle kind of
situation that's what it was like
there's no wise as well
the competitive oh yeah
hey he's kind of like this year for him
is it is the year now where I think I
can start to kind of help him with
sports you know whatever it whatever he
wants to do he does gravitate towards
basketball the most but he's just an
athlete like is this an athlete he's
getting taller and he's I've been that
bad that's really stayed away and just
let him play and do whatever he wants to
do but he's starting to get to that age
now where he's like the other day I've
you know I've got a gym set up out in
the backyard and stuff like that and I
just I just see him out there like on a
lift and just randomly you know like
looking out the window he just like
working out so it's gonna be interesting
yeah you might be a might be one of the
next NBA top drafts or something like
that yeah he knows if he's super smart
right now probably it'll just become a
fitness influencer because those dudes
are making the most money out of anyone
in the world so yeah you're gonna
speaking of that Jay I was thinking
boats I don't know if you remember when
Jay play but and I'm not I'm not just
saying this but you did have one of the
most lethal 3-point shots
certainly I've ever coached I've had a
couple really really good three-point
shooters and you're in that you're in
that small little elite group talk us
talk us through about how you develop
that shot and you know you talk about
being a grinder those days you know you
hear about Larry Bird and and Kobe
putting up 300 shots a day and that type
of thing progress through a little bit
of the just the grind of grooving that
shot so it was so money like it was when
you were on your game
oh it was interesting because it was a
it was kind of when when I was starting
to get when I was starting to get out of
the dreamers phase and starting to get
into a phase where I was like okay I
think I'm good enough to go and play in
the States
I remember there being a lot of good
guys around me at that time so at that
time that radio chatter there was a lot
of British players with which that you
could hang your hat on so it wasn't just
American guys where you were kind of not
sure how to measure that it was British
guys coming through the same sort of
system a little bit older than me and
not you know I would say like I was more
of a a three-stroke 4 so either shoot
the three okay but that wasn't my like
that wasn't my my game ruling so I was
just a glue guy you know so I would do
everything you you know I could handle
the ball a little bit better in the
younger years but I had really good
vision I like to rebound loved playing
defense but what they highlight to me is
if you want to make in the States and
you know let's let's put it into
perspective and say that you don't grow
to six eight six nine or whatever
whatever would be the case then you
can't shoot it it's not gonna work out
for you I just remember that kind of
sticking in my mind to the point where I
was just driving neighborhoods too
distracting because I would just be out
in time a drop but a light outside in my
house and to make it kind of three-point
range I had to go the other side of the
fence to be honest there's a small road
but they've got some other houses I have
to be on the other side of the fence bug
my sister it was sort of like 10 years
younger than me at the time and to get
her the rebound for me and chuck it over
the fence and yeah this I just really
became obsessed with making sure I had
that piece in my in my armory you know
because pretty much everybody else was
like you you'll be okay okay like the
athleticism isn't there but you're
pretty smart
you've just got to figure out a way to
get around that but you're competitive
but you need to be Oh cute so that's
kind of where it started and then I and
then I just started laying down markers
for myself so I the first year that I
ended up going to a junior college
because this was a long time ago so
schools were having a hard time
translating English education especially
if you threw in a few weird things like
you had done a
mvq a long title of it to like rather
than template earrings forth Bannockburn
and that was like you know like dropping
a nuclear bomb into the system for
America in to the ante double-a they
just they didn't know what to do with it
so David Evans actually hooked me up
with two options I've got Oregon a
California I chose California Northern
California to go to a JUCO and so my
first year there I became that I was the
number one three-point shooter in the
state of California so the junior
colleges were split up into I think
three leagues then those flippin three
leagues but I thought was the number one
shooter and then a judge yeah just
wasn't going to stop from there and so
it was just kind of working on it I
think to my detriment going into my
professional years if I had to analyze
it is I tried to try to be too much of a
specialist when there were other
elements of my game that suffered and
tapered off during the time which which
me I could have been more successful if
I had adapted that and that was only
highlighted I think when I played in
Ireland so my podcast on Thursday and
with my Irish coach and he'll probably
he'll probably say the same thing that
if I could've if I could have used my
postgame that was a lot stronger than I
gave myself credit for
am i rebounding alongside the fact that
I could play outside Mike did you three
then I probably would have been the best
the best Bosman in that age for a number
of years
mm-hmm yeah you were I remember you've
been a bit of a terror back in today I
remember you and Eddie would be in rain
in threes for Tom what I mean what a
great player to play with you know and a
guide that seriously should've just had
it had a BB oh look because he just he
had a wise head on his shoulders he was
he was a really really tough player and
I think that I think that if you you
know we we were lucky because we we had
we had Jamie as a post anchored
legitimately score which really enabled
people really they couldn't clue in on
me or Eddie the way that they would want
to and I think especially in single
coverage for any especially in things
like a pick and roll or anything else
like that and he was gonna he was gonna
really do some damage he was stupid he
was a really good I really liked him
more of shooting
don't forget Saul Rodgers as well he was
a straight-up sniper as well we had we
had some really good shooters on the
team oh I mean you know it's wobbly
shoot the board anything to shoot the
ball a little bit and especially he got
the bug for working out so he was just
getting better all the time
I think like we've I think we saw I
think like if you remember at that time
I think it was coming he was kind of
winding down if you know what I mean I
think he Alex our experience with we've
kind of trying to make the BBL team and
maybe felt like he he should have been
able to make that team and I think he
had all the physical attributes to to do
that and I think that you know from a
mindset perspective I think that he just
needed some more experience just to work
through maybe a little bit of immaturity
in terms of basketball I'm not talking
as a person but just in basketball and
he would have been really really good
cuz he did breach it boy yeah yeah it's
it's interesting with with basketball
and stuff like I found when when I used
to play and stuff like my competitive
edge was like always at its highest
almost more so like than games in some
ways in training
to beat myself became like one of the
bigger things I think Tom you drum that
into me like as especially because I'm
not sure J if you know this but Tom
actually coached me for a little bit of
time Azure which was really nice okay my
like under 16 steam for like a couple
years and it was just it was a time
where I learned a lot about my own
mental capabilities and because you gave
us work to do outside of the gym outside
of our training sessions or in-person
time and other than skating I've never
really done any like personal work on
like progressing like in a sport and
that way I'd never like taking time to
sit in like shoot reps or to do my kins
or to do whatever you know I I'd always
just kind of showed up and played you
know especially especially at that time
I was playing like ten different sports
you know just like I'll just take
whatever I can you know I think it was
really nice to be able to get that
personal Drive from you Tom in terms of
being like cool gum like go back to
boarding school and work on your my kids
they've got a small basketball hoop at
the boarding house like shoot your shot
do you like work on your dribbling do
two ball dribbles like cuz you're the
point guard work on that kind of stuff
and like again just even just basic
stuff at the time I didn't do a lot of
it because I'm a lazy shit but I I am
from the bits that I did do it
definitely gave me a lot of
self-confidence in terms of progressing
myself through just drive in my own
personal time as well which has helped
me in many other areas of my life since
then I would say yeah I think you can I
don't think you can be elite anything if
you're not not willing to put that kind
of personal time in as well you know I
think that's that's really really
important and you've got to be there I
think you've got to be at a level that
up constantly no - you can't I don't
think you can ever get into a rhythm or
a comfort with those things you've
always got to be looking it you know
little bits and pieces that you can add
and things like that I think that once
that starts to
once that starts to drain away and
there's other things taking it on way
then that's probably when you see a
decline in your performance I think and
it's the same with anything and it's
it's yeah it's where you want to put
that energy but it's how it goes so Jay
you played basketball professionally
you've coached like I guess college I
would classes semi-professional I guess
in America like it's pretty much as
close as you can get but now I found out
the other day that you you're currently
working we're the one of your high
school best friends foxy how's that I
was working with one of your high school
buddies I mean it's good it's it's it's
a lot of fun for sure because it's
enabled us to reconnect I think on a
stronger level so we'll always be that
will always be those friends where when
we catch up we like why haven't we seen
each other for a couple months or maybe
longer sometimes but I think we were at
that point like not where our
friendships thrifting but we would
definitely you know we've got families
and weren't doing enough together so I
think it was good it was just cases it
was a serious case of circumstance yeah
the things weren't working out the
particular situation he he offered me
you know a chance to go and work with
him and yeah so far so far so good the
ones that you guys do exactly so we work
in the sales division of a dairy company
nice
they're called proven dairy so it's a
family-run business and so Chris has
been there he's been there relatively
from the kind of inception of growing it
so I've I've I've grown up or been
around the the family that run that
company for a long time yeah it's just a
fascinating company they're always
trying to push the boundaries they're
you know they're they're always kind of
their ethical they do things the right
way so one of the things they're really
passionate I was
looking after their farmers and making
sure that those guys don't get bad
prices make sure that they get very
stable prices way they're very Google in
the way that they kind of approach
looking after their in-house staff which
i think is quite important you know so
that that's been a really good thing so
yeah Chris has been running that sales
division for a really long time and yeah
he was just like if you you know if you
want to import and buy some wisdom and I
think like genuinely I hadn't done a
strong sales role before hmm
so I thought that if nothing else going
into it I thought to myself that being
able to learn that skill from somebody
who is great at their dog you know he is
elite in his in his field would would be
a good move for me because I still
haven't genuinely found my niche outside
of basketball yet yeah yeah well I I so
I did kind of settles for a while and ya
know it's it's it's a rough road and
it's a steep learning curve it's a
really steep learning curve but it's one
that if you start getting the hang out
if it's it's more tricks of catching
things and then like twisting them with
words and using you're your own person
it's almost like improv acting in a
weird way like it's kind of like
improvised like you're doing everything
fast on your feet almost I found at
least with the stuff that I was doing
but no yeah so um yeah that's so how
long have you been doing that for now so
about six months not long does that mean
if you are you like furloughed at the
moment with with yeah yeah so literally
like just just before the lockdown we're
pretty you know 99% sure that my wife
does he had kovat so the
at that time we're obviously that she
would be seven days or isolated but as a
family we need to isolate for 14 days so
we were already two weeks in and you
know we were we were talking about
return to work the protests have
returned to work cetera yeah then the
opportunity of fellow coming up so that
they spoke the South in marketing team
and just it's the kind of the obvious
ones the decision I think was either
move them into a different area of the
of the business or warfare lab for me
you know just being perfectly honest I
was more than happy to be furloughed
because you know as much as all the
craziness is happening around it's been
a blessing for for in terms of time with
family you're just not gonna get that
time again so it's been it's been a
simple me so I think sometimes they kind
of contact me with guilt sometimes baby
like you know they feel like maybe we're
we're doing them a favor I know it that
was 80/20 ways and stuff like that an
effect that can make a dramatic
difference with people but for me
personally you know to go back I think
I'll either write them a letter or go
and sit down and chat to them and and
and just sort this is the kind of
positive that came out of our situation
they wanted to do that yeah I was gonna
say sales is a bit harsh from home yeah
yeah
it was quite a lot going on at the time
because obviously people were really
really nervous
so even when I was on the fourteen days
that a lot of my customers and stuff
were kind of contacting me and yeah like
a lot of panic at that time but I think
once everything kind of shadows down
into a rhythm and you have to bear in
mind that we're a dairy company to ops
and all those kind of things closing
down so obviously our focus was more on
kind of supermarkets the kind of places
that were left over
and presented a whole or different
challenge so it's more than happy to
give that to Chris you saw years and
years and there is Bell and and you know
even though this is an unforeseen
circumstance he's a pretty cool customer
able to handle it yeah and and so
alongside that now since coded you
started doing a podcast of your own
haven't you
how's that button gonna do what how many
episodes are you in now so we got
episode 15 tomorrow so the original the
original thought process was just I
haven't had a full moment to reminisce
or to kind of think about what's
happened like literally you know I made
a decision to leave my planet with no
plan B and just you just you just gotta
get in you just gotta get in and it's
and my mentality you know like me and
Tom just said that we share is my
mentality is like we've got a grind and
I need to provide for the family and we
just get going so you maybe lose a bit
of touch with friends or you don't get
those kind of conversations that and
that you wanted to get in two years ago
that you govern that time to finish the
the thinking just was you know we have
no timeline on this lockdown so I was
like I'm just gonna reach out to as many
people as I can that I'm genuinely
interested in sitting down with and
chatting to and and just thinking maybe
a couple of them will say yes and so
everybody is yes so yeah I'm gonna kind
of slow it down a little bit now so like
do I'm just gonna do sort of two a week
in these next four weeks and then kind
of eke it down you know a lot of the
early episodes have been reminiscing and
now what I want to do is I want to get
into this conversation about living a
high-performance life because that's
where my obsession lies you know that's
where my real sweet spot lies is
you know Fitness mental health
well-being yeah just just being the best
possible version of you itself will give
you the results that you want so I want
to bring on some kind of you know I've
got tomorrow tomorrow got it coming on
so you know made the decision they get
out a basketball a youth level even
though we loved it and go into his
passion you know a day in and now he's
gone
you know Radio 1xtra and travels around
the world to a DJ in for Jazzy Jeff and
it you know some some big names so
that's gonna be a real that's gonna be a
different direct and really a different
spin on basketball I got an elite
strength and conditioning coach in Utah
that sort of trained pros NFL players
high-level college players etc so just
gonna ask him a bunch of questions about
you know what makes an elite athlete
this is just things I think that people
can start to get things from not just a
life story but also they can they can
take a few nuggets away mmm
it's all gonna talking about DJs and
stuff you said earlier that you're
listening to Eminem back in the day have
you like tapped into like I know for
example I know for Tom and like a lot of
other of my friends that are maybe you a
little bit older than me in their 30s
and people that used to hang out with
their work didn't listen to music as
much like as for example someone like
myself like I pretty much listen to
music at least like 60% of my day is
music film in this balloon has there
been any like albums or anything that
you found in Cove a door like that
you've picked up and that you're really
loving at the moment this thing for me
like for me the vibe I've gone through
lockdown is just anything chill anything
just super chill even even for even for
the workouts and stuff like that so I've
got much more into stretching mobility
you know I think I'm on on the edge of
going in that kind of yoga direction
or trying some Pilates or trying
something different in that in that
respect I think I think I think I've
become like the Russell Brand of the
fitness world like us and that's the
kind of that's the kind of like area I'm
getting into you know like I'm sitting
down and with my peppermint teas and no
I'm just being much more conscious about
what I'm putting in my body
so anything chill and I'm a big country
guy like I love country music okay so
that's that that's a staple for me I
think we've got like my sister staying
with us during during cobia at the
moment during the lockdown fitter her
and her son live in a really small house
with with really no garden so we've got
like a really big garden and they're
really close to their family so we made
that decision just as lockdown started
to bring her in so he's like 90
throwback so that's great you know
that's not a good era to kind of get on
board with you know my wife could throw
anything out there really she's yeah
you're a bit of a Rando for she's a bit
of a Rando for music but any anything
chilly at Edith's country to but
anything she was on my on my kind of
raid art within it yeah I was gonna say
because I'm again weird stuff from Tom
recently he's been sending me some like
crazy spiritual stuffs and weird
chanting and things it's a class classic
Thomas of Hawaii it was all I say when I
see it pop through isn't compared just
yet give it time thing is he like I
don't know for years now Tom's been
pushing me to like meditate and to do
that kind of stuff and and I do like I
meditate here and there for personal
gain but not all the time it's not
something that I practice on like a
super regular basis but I definitely
like the benefits of meditation are like
so like I guess wonderous would maybe be
the word like it it's really surprising
how much you can get from
still and not talking for the exact
opposite of what we're doing right now
since I'm not talking and just being
silent with yourself and you know
feeling your I guess your body and
understanding things in a bit of a
different way so I think we've hit an
error like we've hit in Europe right now
where I feel like social media and
things like that like it almost makes it
you know impossible in a way for us to
kind of sit still and just take big the
reins and kind of have that situation I
think that that's where I've kind of
switched modes in lockdown and really
really kind of I can amp up that sort of
thing so just you know really trying to
get into those head spaces because
honestly it's it that that is the way to
a high performance life that each liked
it for you to feel better and more
energy more positive vibes coming coming
your way yeah just just getting you into
a positions have the the right mindset I
think it's all about preparing yourself
mentally and physically you know so if
you're prepared mentally and physically
for the day you're gonna be good if you
kind of wake up and and just let the day
on you and we know we will do that you
know the meaning that some days a day
runs us and some days we run the day and
I'm just trying to I'm competitive so
I'm trying to win that battle right now
yeah 100 send you you know in terms of I
guess yeah yeah you know I feel that as
well in terms of finding the time and
trying to find and also making the time
to be productive but then also like you
said find the time take advantage of all
this time that we do have in terms of
spending time you people in building
relationships and whatnot so yeah um Tom
did you have any other questions for Jay
that you want to ask well I I cut out a
little bit so I just was I want to
follow up on the just on the the music
so I've really been getting into these
long rhythmical
jams basically usually non non lyrical
stuff that I loved doing during
stretching and it becomes like sometimes
we'll close my eyes on it as well and
it's really cool that's a really cool
little space to get into it's not like
pure like meditation stuff but it's
pretty nice looks pretty awesome and you
can just relax into different like poses
and stuff so that's I know that sounds
very exact that was I think I cut out
for a little bit that's the bit but now
some mostly in drink like I was just
thinking when you were talking about
your working out I'm using my left hand
right now but I think about like the
game how its evolved and you've got guy
like Stefan curry who can who can make
like was it 92 out of 100 threes and
like that's just to me like the human
brain has unlocked another level of
performance through him and others that
just wasn't that didn't exist like
literally it was like unfathomable right
it's like people in the 1800's seeing a
plane fly across the sky is like people
now that play basketball old schoolers
watching a lot of guys just pulling up
from 28 from 30 you know no range like
literally half inside a half-court is
pretty much all fair game
with some of these guys I don't know how
the human body has like really figured
that out but it's pretty cool to watch
these guys that are just like freaks
like total freaks and now like the human
athletic brain will make it so that a
thirty foot shot in the next five years
or whatever it's just gonna be nothing
like that's just gonna be range you know
it's pretty cool it's just you got to
think about like the advancements in S&C
and in just generally about how to look
after yourself as an athlete it's just
changed completely the scope you know
I'm heading up to the states and and all
I knew was just play ball you know so
I'm turning up there is like justice any
lollipop with like a big head
you know and and and and I get there and
and these guys are athletes you know
they're lifting you know they've got the
body and I think that that's only
evolved over time and I think now we're
we're sort of at a point where sort of
individual development how it it's a
pact you know it's an absolute peak so
when I was in Utah for example you know
every every kid wanted individual
development you know so every kid was
looking for individual development you
know they they were all working on their
game and then obviously you're coupling
in that we've now being at hold of
unbelievable athletes at a younger age
and give them the skill set that perhaps
would be missing you know you you know
growing up in and around our era you
know the athlete would be the unskilled
guy and the you know the norm athlete
would be the skilled guy how that now
they've merged these two together in
such a you know beautiful way I mean you
know I love following you know LeBron
James having loved those those are two
guys I'll probably follow the closest in
the NBA because of everything they do to
look after their body every single thing
that their period it is preparing
themself for being able to I the longest
period of time that they can if you look
at Kevin Love he know he said 75 pounds
during during his college career to get
to a different place and we're obviously
finding that out now that it's mentally
as well as physically as well you know
for him a lot of players I think now but
you know yeah I think people have just
found the science of being able to put
two things together that he's creating
you know Jonas and to Caputo and you
know just unbelievable athletes
is it because the high intensity stuff I
would say like and it's not even like I
would say there's like core and my mind
like opinion of sports there's always
been like the core sports that like
exist within culture in terms of like
you know you got your crickets your
baseball's your rugby's your footballs
your basketball like metal tennis you
know like the like core there's like the
core standard thing that a lot of the
world plays I would say like even now
with like the fringe e'er sports things
like you know for me with skating and
stuff within the skating community where
it is literally like it's seen as like
oh man you're gonna work out to be a
skater man like that's not cool you know
it's now hitting skaters like I know
that there's Pro skaters like Nyjah
Huston Zion right and people like that
who have got teams of physios that are
helping them whenever they get injured
like they've also then got like people
who are given them exactly that weights
training you know cardio like legs
giving them like better pop so they can
jump higher and stuff and it's like
that's starting to bleed now into sports
we're a main factor in the sport is get
drunk get high and go skate and annoy
people like that's it's crazy to me that
it's bleeding into the fringy ER sides
of sports you know that's really really
gnarly so I mean I think you know it's
it's something that really is something
that with what you're doing is gonna
really help people I think when you're
having these conversations with the
podcast you don't think that information
is going to be valuable to a much bigger
audience and I think even we can
perceive at this point yeah for sure and
I mean like what one of the biggest
things to me is you know me and Tom this
before like in the leadership sphere and
stuff a lot I think it's just a case
sometimes people just aren't looking
after themselves I think one of the
things I'm realizing it is for quite a
while I wasn't looking after myself you
know in the way in the manner which I
know I could so I'm kind of returning
back to being you know that's what I'm
doing like I'm not trying to be an
athlete is in I'm not returning to any
kind of sport or anything else
I'm training like an athlete because
that is where the sweet you know so just
just kind of going in and lifting and
killing myself and just trying to add
size and be as big as I possibly can and
stuff like that just kind of is not the
right move for me a 39 years old and you
know you there'll be a million people in
the same boat
whether it be put weight on or you know
just not looking after yourself like
Bernie now you know people people need
to hear these kind of messages of things
that you can do you know - big mantras I
believe in like the 5 a.m. but create
create some time for yourself if you
struggle in create some time for
yourself so I'm going to kill you you
know and you just gonna have to readjust
it the schedule a little bit but yeah I
just want to get that kind of message
out there as to how somebody said to me
once I said to them why do I what I
still like training and they were like
well you're an athlete you know so
whether you're happy tired and different
whatever it is you're programmed to want
to train that's what you want to do but
I kind of think that you can instill
that like you could give that to just go
public somebody that somebody could get
that kind of mindset Elite mindset so
it's interesting a hundred percent no I
think you're really right and I think
something that Tom talks about with his
mindfulness a lot is that kind of
mindset of putting yourself in
advantageous positions mentally as well
as physically to deal with things you
know and at the end of the day you know
you look at a lot of people there
especially in kovaydin stuff and
problems that are going on you know it's
it's very random in terms of how hits
people but also if your immune system is
high like I'll tell you right now
there's very few high-level athletes
that are dying from kovat you know it's
just not
super prominent thing amongst
high-performance people because at the
other day they're eating exceptionally
well they're probably taking supplements
which are providing them with all the
vitamins and you know nutrients and all
the shit they need on the side of
whatever they're eating as well as not
burning in calories like it's their job
you know it's it's it's something where
people like that and just generally
people who eat better who just live
cleaner lives you don't smoke you don't
drink you don't do that kind of stuff
end up being people who are lucky or in
koban situations as well as also just
generally in life usually have more
positive outlooks more successful you
know and all of that comes down to cool
your human you need fuel you need to
look after yourself if you're not doing
that then how can you do anything else I
think you like you avoid but like your
vibe attracts your tribe as well so I
think like so with my sister for example
like she you know she she's been yeah
massively her overweight for a long time
and has really struggled aridity really
has tried in several different elements
and we're loving he here at the moment
because we are seeing her success from
from Hatton avoid like that's what she's
done so she's come down here she's
caught her by and like she's working out
I think like oh whoa across her body so
far like probably a month in she's lost
like inches and you lost I think three
and a half inches around her waist she's
lost nearly a stone
she's knitted into the into our eating
like I'm noticing also she's tapping
into asking me questions about mindset
and things like that as well so she's
asking me about you know how how do I
deal with like treats and things like
that like when I really want to kind of
snack and stuff like that and like I'm
human dude I'm not I'm not the
Terminator you know so like there's
there's days where you know I want to go
moans and biscuits or like you know the
mean like everybody has the insane on
this situation so I think that your boy
definitely attracted tribe and that's
something that I'm really interested in
is how you can bring that community in
and they they they can kind of build you
up and they can support you do be the
best that you can be and I don't think
it just sits in the fitness I don't
think that you know I think there's so
many broader aspects which is why I
haven't wholly and solely jumped into
the fitness realm you know I've kind of
resisted that yeah and it's a good move
man you need to you need to treat both
the body and the mind you know it's it's
what they say it's how it goes if you're
not looking after your mental well-being
then you're definitely not going to be
and right you're definitely not going to
be doing all the other stuff so you know
I think I think what you're onto is
something that a lot of people need help
with and I think both of you guys in
both of your areas that you're looking
into at the moon with Tom your your
balanced formula stuff and J with the
way you're taking the podcast it's it's
really something that is what a lot of
people need which is why you're both
getting traction as well that's that's
the other thing that I would say is
that's why you know J people are
watching the podcast Ron that's why you
do have people you know listening to
your mindfulness sessions like why my
friends who I like you don't even know
you are messaging me like oh I'm just
happening to listen to your now it's
mindfulness section why I'm like bloody
hell that's like random like didn't
think you would even be game for that
kind of thing and so affects many
different aspects and I think especially
with
I don't want to say how sensitive
everyone is these days but I think with
how the world is going in terms of
sensitivity and whatnot mental health
awareness is growing within that as well
so more who are struggling with personal
issues whether it be whatever you know I
think those are the people that will
also benefit from your accent and a lot
more than maybe even the athletes you
know maybe even the the people who are
you know if a high-level performer who
just don't we're looking for some
answers I reckon there's gonna be a lot
more people who are just standard Jones
who just need a bit of help with keeping
their heads on straight
yeah Yeah right um it's been about like
an hour and a half no yeah hour and a
half-ish sure we are should we round
this one out yeah great awesome Jay
thank you so much you wanna join a drop
a plug for your like actual podcast well
it's called where you can find out all
that kind of stuff yeah so you can find
me we've called the podcast shoot the
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follow me on any kind of social - I'm on
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looking for if you're looking for battle
victory looking for you know kind of
elite performance or anything else like
that then you'll be yeah you know you'll
be able to find that any particular time
so yeah just give me a follow and then
I'm just really trying to figure out how
I'm gonna kind of level it up a little
bit because it's just out as a personal
hobby and I think now that I can kind of
I can kind of expand that and put it in
its own its own right so that'll be the
next that's the next challenge amazing
dude you're doing awesome stuff and we
love it from over here we've been
watching from afar I've been watching
something a podcast and online yeah dude
thanks brother
no I appreciate it thanks all right
brother
good I suppose thanks for having me I
loved it
YouTube thanks very to men first the
first edition of Homie and The Dude let's
go absolute pleasure bye guys I'm gonna
finish off watching the Jordan
documentary and I started it man I
started it I'm on I'm on yeah yeah
episode 5 tonight it's pretty good one
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