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people we are as different as any random
section of society and I think what
unites us is an intellectual curiosity
maybe a little bit of a spirit of
adventure most of us like digging either
allegorically high brewery or actually
in the field most of us are somewhat
idealistic which usually means we're
seeing what motivated by the scientists
and when you scratch beneath the surface
you find the desire to believe in the
existence of extraterrestrials behind
their impartial front we can see their
desire to believe we actually are
interested in the truth about something
that is a genuine mystery
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research interest we as a group of grown
somewhat more sophisticated over the
years we have seen more soils we have
seen more genuine remember bleah
important breakthroughs and research
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the beginning of flying saucers that was
first invented in the
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you see secret weapons obviously the
prospect of extraterrestrials was still
raised if we look back at the first
articles written in the first doctor
26th and 27th 1937 the objects were not
only presented as extraterrestrial
airships it was just one theory among
others the theory of secret aircraft was
the most popular for flying saucers
cameras installed a photograph them port
an Oregon the area from which came the
first weird report
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a lot of people these days they're
seeing flying saucers everywhere flocks
of fantastic disks flying through the
air for the mysterious flying saucer
with milk
the first ufologists appeared in the
nineteen fifties in groups such as the
kneecap in a brawl which integrated a
large mass of scattered information the
30 kilos were only seen flying in the
sky they hardens in a way but didn't
land then gradually stories began
pouring in about landings investigators
changed their view over time
research organization investigations
committee really in controversy over
UFOs which was really very very
important I think these are groups that
that continue to collect reports they
analyze reports they kept them so you
can filter the public and help to also
bring your methodology do this
there's people to introduce the idea
that flying saucers were painting an
origin was donald key member of the US
military who became a journalist and
while working for true magazine in 1945
he was assigned to investigate this
story Kehoe is rather skeptical sir
since most of the contacts he kept in
the army told him there was nothing to
the story but as he dug deeper he began
to think that the military wasn't
telling him everything they knew that
there may be something to the story
after all the article that he published
in the January 1950 issue was true the
first to really pop your eyes he had a
theory three years later you know flying
saucers from outer space was popular
further entrenched a theory that you
were
extraterrestrials
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they seem to be last appeared on the
scene who wrote an entire series of
books
he also investigated matters that did
not seem to interest are the people
example things that you're outside of
the box things have seen uniformly which
were still on the fringe with
investigators like John Key wasn't just
a matter
visiting us in your flying saucers Kings
perspective was much larger more complex
touching on both ecology and the occult
with phenomena that might be linked to
our basic human nature
some people proposal psychological
theories for his phenomena q is now in
the area of parapsychology where things
were happening for our society other
than simple visits by extraterrestrials
gangster donkey of a movement began in
the late 70s that included both UFOs and
paranormal people who trust in these
things
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it was almost like people were finally
free to come out in the open those who
were brave and they could now begin to
talk about UFO research do it openly
work together studies in 1973 a
scientific advisory board a fairly
distinguished scientist this was a
flowering a very serious research it
lasted some into the 1980s to a certain
extent but
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fifteen seventy something interesting
happened in musicology criticism began
to come from within skeptics have been
regarded as rationalist we knew nothing
about the UFO cases now the situation
began to change the longtime believers
who had stopped strongly about the
subject for years given to say we don't
believe in them anymore 1577 don't you
follow just me shouldn't go to the wrote
a book called what if us oppose didn't
exist
according to the author UFOs are nothing
more than a misinterpretation of known
phenomena they're not reading they're
only a minute there are no aliens
visiting us and there are no strange
phenomena there were just mistakes made
but confused people
these loafers skeptics began to appear
within their ranks it was time having
distressed eyewitness accounts a blank
UFO researchers began to think we need
to be more scientific they're surprised
today we have to change our methods can
start enough just to gather eyewitness
accounts we need to produce evidence
what scientists do for a long time we
thought that it was a scientists job to
observe nature and in reality a
scientists job is done in a laboratory
he very rarely sees nature he spends his
time looking at instruments diagrams and
graphs so his contact with nature is
very remote if he goes into the woods or
a cup of he doesn't see anything he's in
the middle of nature can can't do
anything it's just beautiful researchers
began to ask themselves how can we
present data relating to UFO stories so
it'll be perceived as scientific they
realized that they were surprised to pay
that they would need to do more than
gather stories to succeed were simply
state their opinion like a janitor a
police officer they would need to delve
into the facts and come up with items
that would allow experts to decide if
there was a case or not
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was to interest the university crowd in
the study of us even came up against a
brick wall for social prejudice to my
variety of other prejudices these men
and women from universities were
probably afraid of losing credibility
among their peers to do with the lack of
knowledge of the subject area I must
admit that in the field of UFO research
for serious amateurs like myself we want
to take a little deeper to understand an
issue there's a certain lack of funding
required to do the work there's also a
lack of human resources available you
seem to be perfectly honest we also have
very limited access to technology that
would allow us to perform about the
tests on the spot is equal evidence
appears like for instance with these
tests we could advance our own research
since we are on the front line thereby
eliminating a layer of analysis where we
have to wait for the results before
proceeding we can also turn over our
test results to experts for further
research maybe that's where the
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somehow we missed our big opportunity we
didn't succeed in capturing the interest
of enough people in the fields of
physics electricity magnetics or
mathematics we didn't get our
geneticists involved in our project
Pratap's hundred represents the die
hards is still baby but you have
extraterrestrial in the other group
mainly consisting of UFO researchers
define themselves as skeptics
it appears that youth ology is not the
work of a single group of individuals
but rather a network of groups like in
the field of science in my view the fact
that there are skeptics does not mean
the default if you have to come more
scientific approach it means that
researchers are starting to think that
the people they used to criticize
nowadays skepticism about UFOs is a
matter of personal opinion just are
believing it that we used to be much
different after believing in ufos three
years they decide not to believe anymore
what effect does that rationalist say
finally UFO researchers are becoming
more scientific but if we look at the
sax it just isn't true
just when things were calm down and
researchers were beginning to use a more
scientific approach the controversy
started back up again you have to not
accept they exist that we're turning
around and saying they don't exist while
saying they don't exist doesn't make you
a scientist but it does for controversy
this controversy is not making the field
any more scientific since each person is
proceeding according to their own
personal opinion it's very easy to
become a UFO researcher you have some
business cards printed and published an
article in a few newsletters it's much
harder to be a scientist you need to
have diplomas experience and research
work that's approved by others as a
group
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very bad especially when you go even to
other countries it's even more acute
there was a short period yeah I would
say from the noise where you suddenly
had this emergence of the
philanthropists
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financed a series of meetings
my astrophysicist mr. at Stanford
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few people it contains information
conclusions of the Clocktower report
goes something like this first of all we
didn't find anything
like this that is of no interest come
down close the books on the subject and
scientists did that too with regards to
the contours conclusions if we agree at
least the first point we didn't find
anything really convincing gave absolute
proof that one insurmountable parkerich
and they found even less evidence of
extraterrestrials on the other hand
investable sciences position should be
where diametrically opposed to count
line we feel that given the evolution of
the information gathered and the
technologies at their disposal it would
be in the best interest of science to
research the subject intelligently to
listen to UFO researchers and to
continue the work
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then just watch the benefactors light up
the slide answered but if another
meeting we were talking with mr. Strock
there might be a group of people who
would say we're being offered ten
million gentlemen go back to
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although there are some excellent cases
but it is very ambiguous and you can
basically adapt it to any theory you
want because you will select close
elements of you know we're interested in
the morning these are case in cases
you'll find plenty of those if you're
interested anymore for sober your
concentrate with greater cases so the
people you know because they had a
theory then they were like they make for
those elements in the database
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hi people vision of science research in
Westminister and weigh as much in Europe
but Superman in Canada MIT in the United
States has been the failure to convince
the scientific and academic community of
the legitimacy of the subject which I
think we're setting ourselves up for a
disappointment when we expect science to
come up with all of those solutions
spending knowledge solutions are very
rare scientists study a matter
very rarely do they agree on what it
means just to see this course when we
read history books about science we see
famous names such as Galileo Newton
Einstein made a significant contribution
to scientific knowledge but we need to
remember that 99% of all scientific
research does not lead anywhere the
research is done because we need to ask
questions and find answers we need to
make progress scientists often disagree
in the field of science it's very
difficult for everyone to agree so if we
were to take a scientist out of his
controlled environment and listen to the
situation with avengers' and people from
different backgrounds naturally you
would find it more difficult to do his
job in that global situation scientists
tend to have the attitude that UFO
researchers are not capable of producing
hard evidence they're not like
scientists who produce real results I
tend to see the problem differently if
we think about it the science hasn't
produced a lot over the years
considering all the conditions in both
scientists they need to have a diploma
on this article sign contracts and so
forth in contracts it's amazing to see
how much methyl groups like suburbs have
managed to accomplish without a
controlled environment if anything I
would say that the opposite is actually
true it's not that UFO researchers don't
think their work seriously given the
conditions under which they work that
are very serious in their approach
perhaps we should be demanding that
scientists
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people already automatically this is
even not the researchers but the culture
and the immediate automatically equates
your force with extraterrestrial beings
you know coming in spaceships so this is
the sort of the cultural interpretation
the popular cultural interpretation I
would say all over the world in this
world superficial the choices and
judgments abduction by aliens the rafts
for crashing country these are sexy
these are topics even though time is
passing is 53 years ago it still
captures the public imagination
tremendously I think it makes it very
difficult for the seamless research
policy because so much of it now has
become basically a media we include
entertainment sensation
besides community is not only due to the
tendency to believe
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research that has been done up until now
by amateurs whose standards of quality
are not as high as those of a science
community this incredible challenge to
have this job disregarded not only as a
serious matter this message is not a fun
huge within the scientific community of
France to give you an example my peers
are sociologists and ethnologists and
you wouldn't think that the study of
UFOs would be a problem for them since
they studies sociological and cultural
phenomena
UFOs are not considered to be a serious
subject of study and if the sociologist
decides the study of laws he risks
becoming a social outcast the situation
is absurd as you can see there is a sort
of barrier a fear of cultural or
philosophical rejection
the people that matter don't look at our
findings it is much easier to say well
this can't be because it isn't therefore
it's not they're throwing up and waste
my time it is still informed by a great
deal of ignorance and most interesting
if you go back and you study the first
reports of UFO news in the major
American media going back to the summer
the autumn of 1947 or so you will see a
pattern of the reportage in major
American newspapers start with the New
York Times that continues to a degree to
this day and it usually goes like this
there is an initial report of an
incident an event a sighting then there
is a response either in the same article
or final particle by some kind of
authority who usually would have more
knowledge of the subject but they are a
psychologist or a meteorologist or a
biologist and they are going to tell us
what this is nonsense I have a PhD I
know and the American public the Western
public has been brilliantly conditioned
overtly
and covertly by the media by the
government by themselves to literally
wire up in their minds when you hear UFO
you see the mouth moving but somebody is
saying I saw UFO what you're hearing is
maybe I'm crazy and should be in an
institution
stated Direction is indispensable if you
need to do a thorough job since the most
useful sources of information are
generally state agencies if you take
France for instance there's the State
Police the Air Force and Civil Aviation
obviously these organizations are not
going to pass on information especially
the Air Force cadets need to keep
defense issues confidential it's very
difficult for someone outside of these
agencies to obtain information such as
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see the sky we made through them to me
people were seeing
council itself was not interested in
UFOs but the possibility that UFO
reports because after 50 years of how
can we best the results
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researchers interested to acknowledge
who seems to be able to find ways to
make himself heard but no one really
listens to us anymore states there's
another factor that's also anything we
get to play the Internet as a professor
I have several students who are
interested in either flows all the
serious research that was done in the
subject when they hear the expression
Flying Saucer they immediately think if
they were having this and all of the
information circulating on the Internet
sky we would go into the field to
observe them these days young people
look up information on the Internet
that's why I'm a bot was interested now
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