hello are you doing yesterday it snowed
a lot in Geneva and the outside is so
beautiful with over the white touch on
the roof and threes and the streets so
I'm having really good weekend anyway
thank you so much for enjoying my review
videos i have three so far and then I
was happily surprised that i have so
many views a lot more than usual
so I take it as a signal that you
like it
thank you so much and because it was
because the review videos who are
popular i decided to review maybe two
more games i'm not sure exactly when I
have the video up but i try to do them
in like in a week or so
so today I'm not going to see the games
but i would like to share the Korean
professional players reaction to this
AlphaGo 60 wins you know all the go
players are talking about it and then
they all have favorite moves and the
opinions and all but I thought you might
be interested in learning what Korean
professional players are thinking about
AlphaGo especially the very top
players and just to let you know that I
got all the pictures in this
presentation and other parts are from
mostly cyber oral the Korean go server
which is my major source of good news
from Korea and some other courts in some
other news articles but in general these
are all
from news and then in the end of the
presentation i add just a little bit
about what I think about AlphaGo
should we start
the first one is either
9 dan of course who played five games
against AlphaGo last March so he had is
a long interview with one news media
company and then the news spread to other
go websites so even though I saw the
interview article on cyber oral
according to cyber oral either 9 dan
was offered to play AlphaGo on the
internet because those are online go
servers where AlphaGo play knew that it
was AlphaGo and apparently they
contacted some of the top pros and asked
them if they wanted to play probably
that how Pakistan 19 and ricotta
nine-ton plate or so but if I don't mind
and said no because he usually doesn't
play online as far as i know he doesn't
even have any account or any of the
go servers and he just doesn't enjoy
playing online although he does watch
other pros games like from the online sources
so apparently in the interview Lee Sedol
9 dan said that AlphaGo seams just a
lot more stronger than when he played
and AlphaGo didn't seem to make any
mistake or at least any like invisible
mistakes in these fast games and he
believes that if AlphaGo and human
players or play fast games then
AlphaGo could do even 600 wins not
only 60 wins so he believes that if
humans to have any chance of winning
than the human challenger will need to
have more thinking time than AlphaGo
like AlphaGo will have 30 second
per move
and human players will have like three
hours for example
so that's Lee Seol 9 dan said
the next one is Park Junghwan nine dan
if you're not familiar with Park Junghwan
he is currently the number one in Korea
you have been number one for a few years now
and he played five games against
AlphaGo and you can probably guess
what the result is. So people ask him
what he thought about AlphaGo and he
said that AlphaGo seems to be at least
one stone stronger than himself
when they say one stone that means he
will need to take black and not give
any corner to white he could be a
little bit modest because I know that he
one Game lost by only a half point but
you know we never know because AlphaGo
play safe moves when it's ahead
so next one is Kim Jisuk nine dan he
is the one of the very top Korean pros
has a few like World Championship titels
and apparently he said that AlphaGo
strength is beyond his ability to access
that he can't really play how strong
AlphaGo is apparently he played just one
game against AlphaGo and also in
the beginning of my presentation I had a
picture of Korean first studying here
and over here this is Kim Jisuk nine dan
studying
AlphaGo games with other korean pros and
you can see that this game was one of
the AlphaGo games that i reviewed i
believe it was against Ke Jie so that
was Kim Jisuk nine dan and let's go
to the Korean bad associations nation
our training team so the nature training
Kim is only for the top players plus
like young and promising pros and
some of the top in phase or younger
things who are very close to professional
level it basically this is a kind of
training system that Ke Jie made in order
to support these professional
players in improving their skills so
that they would compete better against
chinese players so the national training
team is basically the most girls of the
strongest tree and prose and according
to cyber oral lately or KJ's nature
training team does is to study AlphaGo
games over here on the lower left corner
you can see that they made that are
either goes gamebooks they copy that
made a spring roll and then this is
eating whole nine done most of you
should recognize him like studying
AlphaGo games with other like young pros
and this is the book that they are
studying so the Korean first they are
very serious about studying AlphaGo move
and they believe that there is so much
they can learn from it and these were
general comment from korean pros they say
AlphaGo moves are so creative and AlphaGo
seems to like shoulder hit 3-3 points
and high two space enclosure usually from
the 4-3 points and AlphaGo move are
always looking at the whole board not
just a local areas and it seems to play
like really safe when it's ahead and
sometimes these state moves are like
clearly not the best move for a example
when there are like seven points plays
in game and four points in the game
AlphaGo become a 24 points and game if I'm
ready to head and when it can still win
by choosing that site but you know
that's that's something
computers do I guess
and then AlphaGo seems to like
prefer exchanging the center move the
force and move very early on to make
everything make decided and then this is
like I think the most interesting one
which is afraid when i reviewed AlphaGo
games they would say it's better the
ones who played AlphaGo they say they
couldn't tell when and how they got
behind so basically they were playing
and then they thought they were doing
well but they were behind like without
like really knowing why
so I guess that really tells AlphaGo
strength and then another interesting
thing was that professional players
would say that I have a seems to be
extremely good at like limiting the
opponent's potentional from the very
beginning so when you're playing AlphaGo
it's like you're your areas are kind of
confined while AlphaGo has so much like
potentional from its own mojo
so these are wild like Korean pros are
generally saying about AlphaGo and just
to show you one example how AlphaGo
inspiration is are influencing Korean
pros games i started this game was like
really interesting so this is out game
record of three and pro sports nine and
that the top pros about like a very good
players from a one of the officer match
it was played on generate tense and if
you can see the numbers here from the
very beginning after whites to start
point to black went into the 33 points
which is like unthinkable if it was
before AlphaGo games
and then other another interesting point
is after y-12 black didn't exchanged this
which is also from AlphaGo games and
then after all these exchanges black
played here another 33 point which is
like really really shocking and then
after that again black didn't exchanged
the honey and connection but when
here directly so in this game white one
by two and half points so blacks
attempts to do the AlphaGo didn't
succeed but the fact that from personal
players are playing in this kind of
style is like really really interesting
and then i'm pretty sure that we will be
seeing a lot more of these like trackers
and attempt to do something new so this
is about like Korean pros reacting
to AlphaGo games basically everyone
liked studying and trying to learn from
it and then i would like to add a few
points but I think about AlphaGo as our
former Korean professional players
player so what I think about AlphaGo
the first one i think will be very obvious
in the short time is that we were see a
lot more new opening stylist mostly
inspired by AlphaGo moves and in
opening the difference is very easy to
see and then we can like immediately tell
that this is AlphaGo style like
shoulder hits and two space jump two space
enclosure and 3-3 points so i think
we'll see a lot more of those in the
short time and in the long time i
believe the professional players will
become so much stronger probably like on
average or the
pros and that is not because just
looking at AlphaGo moves make you
stronger
actually I think it's even possible that
seeing AlphaGo moved and copying
without any other changes can make you
even weaker and that is because I'm
AlphaGo reaches to conclude and after like
so much reading that humans cannot
really do
right so if you try to copy AlphaGo
style or move without like having the
underneath work then I think it could
backfire actually but I still think it
wherein help professional players to get
stronger because um knowing that there
is a higher level knowing that there is
so much room to growth for them
professional players will be like really
motivating and then it kind of pushed
them to study harder and then like they
wouldn't be satisfied with their own
moves or on abilities so I think that
we're really have them become stronger
and in the longer term I think the
future professional players will be a
lot stronger because with all the
AlphaGo moves it seems that we will have
much better understanding of go of the
opening and of the strategy and of many
things right so the young players who
are starting after AlphaGo we just have
so much better understanding and then
with that today we'll have more
efficiently studies and they would be
just a lot more motivated so even though
i think today we're girl to become
stronger pros
and then I to conclude I believe I've
AlphaGo will bring about three big questions
the first one is that it's melanie about
AlphaGo but they're the first one is can
AlphaGo any way I ever reach a level
where it just can't become better
anymore
let's say that is an optimum level I
is it even possible to know if AlphaGo
reach optimum level so i think that
would be very interesting interesting to
see in the future and related to the
first question is that how much a
handicap can AlphaGo give to top pros and
still win or another way how much
handicap does top pros need to defeat
AlphaGo there are like trading gases
there was the one PhD in makes one of
the Korean top universities that AlphaGo
is 6 stones stronger than professional players
and I think that cannot be true i can't
imagine like top first meeting six
stones to defeat AlphaGo it's probably
much less than that but we still don't
know because we haven't tested it so i
don't know if we will ever get to know
the answer but it will be very
interesting question and another smaller
interesting question would be the komi
is six and half the optimum komi
or seven and half or even more or less i
heard when i was working on the AlphaGo
event last March deepmind said that
AlphaGo would seem to prefer white when
it's seven and half komine but you know
now that AlphaGo is stronger we don't
know if AlphaGo was still has the same
opinion
or like it's that mean six and half is
the best we don't know that yet but
maybe AlphaGo can answer that question
sometime so that is the Korean first
reaction to AlphaGo with my opinion and
soon i come back with two other reviews
and thank you so much for enjoying my
videos so this is all for today and
thank you for watching bye bye
