.
>>  OK.
GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY.
I THINK WE'RE ABOUT READY TO
BEGIN. 
MY NAME IS FRED WILSON.
I'LL BE THE HEARINGS OFFICER
FOR TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS THE TIME SET ASIDE FOR
THE CRAFT LIVING TRUST
APPLICATION.
THE FILE NUMBER IS C.P. SLASH Z
C TWENTY DASH 0 0 4.
TODAY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
PEOPLE TO GIVE TESTIMONY TO
PRESENT EVIDENCE TO MAKE LEGAL
ARGUMENTS. 
THERE IS NO FINAL DECISION
TODAY. 
I WILL END UP MAKING A WRITTEN
RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS LATER
AFTER THE RECORD HAS BEEN
CLOSED.
BEFORE WE BEGIN THERE ARE A FEW
THINGS EVERY HEARINGS SO LET'S
TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
>>  I NEED TO DISCLOSE WHEN
I'VE HAD ANY X PARTY CONTACTS
THAT'S ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT
THE MATTER THE MERITS OF
THE CASE BEFORE TODAY AND I
HAVEN'T.
THE ONLY THING I KNOW ABOUT
THIS CASE IS WHAT I'VE RECEIVED
FROM PLANNING DEPARTMENT
THAT'S IN THE PLANNING FILE AND
IN THE STAFF REPORT.
EVERYBODY HEAR ME OK WITH
THE MASKS?
OKAY, GREAT.
I ALSO NEED TO DISCLOSE WHETHER
I'M BIASED, WHETHER I'M FOR OR
AGAINST THE APPLICATION FOR ANY
REASON OTHER THAN THE MERITS OF
THE CASE.
AND I'M NOT I DON'T HAVE ANY
REASON TO FEEL ONE WAY OR
THE OTHER.
I DON'T KNOW THE AFRICAN I'M
NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY
SO NO REASON TO BE BIASED.
I NEED TO DISCLOSE THAT I HAVE
ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
I DON'T. 
I LIVE IN WEST SALEM.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PRIVATE
CLIENTS IN MARION COUNTY LET
ALONE ANYWHERE NEAR THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY I DON'T OWN PROPERTY
IN MARIN COUNTY AND MY
IMMEDIATE FAMILY DOESN'T OWN
PROPERTY IN MARIN COUNTY.
SO NO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE OF
THESE HEARINGS BEFORE, THE WAY
IT'S GOING TO WORK IS WE WILL
START WITH THE STAFF REPORT
AFTER THE STAFF REPORT.
THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THEIR
CASE.
AFTER THAT, ANYBODY WHO'S IN
FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION WHO
ISN'T PART OF THE APPLICANT
TEAM WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO TESTIFY AFTER THAT.
ANYBODY WHO IS OPPOSED TO
THE APPLICATION CAN TESTIFY
THEN WILL HAVE A CHANCE FOR
ANYBODY WHO MAYBE HAS GENERAL
QUESTIONS OR IS NEUTRAL.
GENERALLY THIS IS A TIME TO
DISCUSS THE APPROVAL CRITERIA
AND SAY WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR
AGAINST THE APPLICATION.
BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST HAVE
QUESTIONS THEY WANT TO BE
ANSWER. 
STAFF IS USUALLY VERY HELPFUL
GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL
OF DUTY ANSWERING QUESTIONS SO
THEY USUALLY DO THE BEST THEY
CAN ON THAT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT
THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR FINAL REBUTTALS
SINCE THEY HAVE THE BURDEN
PROOF WE ARE BEING RECORDED
TODAY.
I THINK IT'S ALSO BEING PUT ON
CCTV
IF YOU DO TESTIFY I THINK WE'LL
HAVE YOU COME UP TO THIS FRONT
TABLE.
PLEASE TRY TO SPEAK INTO
THE MICROPHONE.
THEY AREN'T SUPER SENSITIVE
ABOUT PICKING UP STUFF.
IF YOU'RE WANDERING AROUND AND
NOT SPEAKING INTO IT, I'M GOING
TO TRY TO DO MY BEST TO DO THAT
AS WELL.
AND IF YOU DO TESTIFY, PLEASE
GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
SO WE HAVE THAT ON RECORD. 
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT
THE SIGN IN SHEET BUT THAT ALL
IF EVEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO
TESTIFY BUT YOU DO WANT TO COPY
THE DECISION IF YOU FILL THAT
OUT THEN I'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET
MAILED A COPY OR A COPY OF
THE RECOMMENDATION WHEN IT
COMES OUT. 
IF YOU DO TESTIFY, PLEASE
DIRECT YOUR TESTIMONY TO
THE APPROVAL CRITERIA.
THEY ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THEY AREHE ZONE CHANG
PROVISIONS APPROVAL CRITERIA.
ALSO AT ISSUE HERE ARE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVISIONS
REGARDING AGRICULTURAL LANDS
AND RURAL LANDS RESIDENTIAL USE
AND ALSO TE STATEWIDE STATUTES
AND ADMINISTRATIVE RULES
REGARDING EXCEPTIONS
PARTICULARLY COMMITTED
EXCEPTIONS IN THIS CASE.
THOSE THE ONLY THINGS I CAN
MAKE MY DECISION BASED UPON.
SO EVEN IF I THINK SOMETHING IS
WONDERFUL IDEAS LIKE OH MY GOSH
SHE SHOULD TOTALLY BE ABLE TO
DO THIS IF IT DOESN'T MEET ALL
THE APPROVAL CRITERIA I CAN'T
APPROVE IT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK YOU
KNOW THE WORST THING IN
THE WORLD BUT IT MEETS ALL
THE APPROVAL CRITE
I STOPPED TO APPROVE IT.
SO ANY SORT OF DISCUSSION THAT
DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH
THE APPROVAL CRITERIA.
IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING I CAN
CONSIDER. 
ALSO MAKE SURE YOU RAISE ANY
AND ALL ISSUES YOU HAVE UNDER
STATE LAW.
IF YOU DON'T RAISE THOSE ISSUES
YOU MAY BE PRECLUDED FROM
RAISING THEM IN THE FUTURE IF
ANY FURTHER PROCEEDINGS OR
APPEALS OF THIS CASE AND SEE
WITH THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T TURNED
OFF YOUR CELL P THIS WOULD
BE A GOOD TIME TO DO IT.
AND WITH THAT I THINK WE CAN
TURN TO THE STAFF REPORT. 
ALL RIGHT.
THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
SLASHES ZONE CHANGE 20 DASH 0 0
FOR THE CRAFT LIVING TRUST.
SO THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
CHANGE FROM PRIMARYGRICULTURE
TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND A
CHANGE OF THE ZONE FROM
EXCLUSIVE FARM USE TO ACREAGE
RESIDENTIAL AT THE 10 ACRE
MINIMUM ON 20 ACRES OF SUBJECT
PROPERTY. 
IT IS UNCLEAR EXACTLY WHERE
THE 20 ACRES ARE BASED ON
THE INFORMATION PROVIDED SO
STAFF WENT THROUGH AND ANALYZED
THE FINDINGS AND SUBMITTED IS
FROM THE APPLICANT AND IS
RECOMMENDING DENIAL AT THIS
TIME.
THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PROVIDE
GIRL 3 EXCEPTION IS WARRANTED
FOR THIS ZONE CHANGE.
THERE IS NO ANALYSIS TO BASE
ANYTHING OFF OF.
FURTHERMORE, EVEN IF THERE HAD
BEEN A GOAL 3 EXCEPTION THAT
WAS ANALYZED AND FOUND TO BE
PERTINENT IN THIS FOR INSTANCE
THEY DID NOT ANALYZE THE TO
FIND THEM EXACTLY HERE ANY OF
OUR RURAL RESIDENTIAL POLICIES
OR OUR RURAL SERVICE POLICIES
WHICH ARE GOING TO BE LISTED
UNDER SECTION 16 OF THE STAFF
REPORT.
SO NONE SECTION WAS ANALYZED. 
>>  THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE
HAVE FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
OH AND THERE IS A SOMETHING WE
NEED TO TAKE OUT OF THE STAFF
REPORT ON FACT. 
NUMBER TWO, THERE WAS
ERRONEOUSLY A SECTION THAT WAS
KEPT FROM A PREVIOUS STAFF
REPORT.
IT'S THE SECOND SENTENCE ABOUT
THE PROPERTY BEING LEGAL BY
DEED THAT WAS ERRONEOUSLY LEFT
IN AND IS NOT ACTUALLY
PERTINENT TO THIS CASE.
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON
THE NORTH SIDE OF EIGHTY FOURTH
PLACE.
THAT PART RIGHT?
THAT PART'S CORRECT.
TAKE OUT THE NEXT SENTENCE WITH
THE DEED AND PAGE NUMBER.
CORRECT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO
ACCORDING TO THE SOIL SURVEY
THAT'S CORRECT AGAIN.
>>  CORRECT.
YEAH.
ACCORDING TO THE SOIL SURVEY IS
GOOD AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS
GOOD IN FACT NUMBER TWO.
>>  OKAY.
THANKS.
AND SO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED
A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK THAT
CAME IN SINCE THE STAFF REPORT.
THEY LOOK TO BE SORT OF SIMILAR
TO THE STUFF THAT WAS
PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED IN THEIR
NARRATIVE. 
BUT DO YOU.
DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR YOUR
CONCLUSIONS YOU DREW IN
THE STAFF REPORT?
IT DOES NOT IT DID NOT APPEAR
TO PROVIDE ANY SUBSTANTIVE
ANALYSIS AVAILABLE.
THREE EXCEPTION. 
IT'S JUST A REITERATION OF
FINDINGS OF FACT AS FAR AS I
COULD TELL. 
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT
TOO.
OKAY.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WITH THAT WE CAN TURN IT TO
THE APPLICANT AND AFTER YOU
GIVE US YOUR YOUR NAME AND
SPELL YOUR LAST NAME, WE'LL
HAVE TO SWEAR YOU INTO SOME OR
COMMERCIAL STREETS NOT SUITE
SWEET ONE HUNDRED SALEM, OREGON
9 7 3 0 2. 
AND MR. WALKER, DO YOU SWEAR OR
AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU
WILL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING
WILL BE TRUE TO THE BEST OF
YOUR KNOWLEDGE? 
YES, I DO.
THANKS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
I'D LIKE TO START BY TELLING
YOU THE REASON WHY MY CLIENTS
WANT TO DO THIS AND SOME OF
WHAT IT ISN'T. 
THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO
REZONE 20 ACRES OF THEIR
HUNDRED AND SIXTY PLUS ACRE
TRACT OF LAND WHICH IS
COMPRISED ALMOST PREDOMINANTLY
OF CLASS 6 AND 7 SOILS AT DO
NOT MEET THE STATUTORY
DEFINITION OF FARMLAND IN
WESTERN OREGON NOR DOES
THE LAND MEET THE STATUTORY
DEFINITION OF FOREST LAND IN
WESTERN OREGON. 
I'D LIKE TO APPROACH A BENCH IF
I MAY GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF MAPS
I THINK WILL HELP CLARIFY ONE
OF THE ISSUES THE STAFF BROUGHT
UP WHERE THE 20 ACRES IS
LOCATED.
SO I APPROACH THE BENCH.
YES, THIS IS NEW.
NEW MAPS, RIGHT?
OR OK. 
SOIL WELL
NEVER
CORRELATING SOIL. 
OK, THANKS.
AND I'LL GET THOSE INTO
THE RECORD. 
GOAL 3 DOES SET THE SUFFIX
CONCERNING WHAT LADS ARE
AGRICULTURAL LANDS IN OREGON.
AND WHILE THIS TRACT AS A WHOLE
IS SO IN PRIOR CULTURE AND USED
FOR AGRICULTURE THERE IS A PART
OF IT THAT DISTINCTLY DOES NOT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE
THE SURROUNDING USES ARE
PREDOMINANTLY IN USES OTHER
THAN RESOURCE ZONES NAMELY
ACREAGE RESIDENTIAL HOME SITES
WE LOOK AND EXAMINE NOT ONLYAT
ADJACENT PROPERTIES BUT
SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WHICH
MEANS THAT IMPACTS CAN BE
BEYOND THE IMMEDIATE BOUNDARIES
SUBJECT PROPERTY IN WHICH
CRITERIA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
NOW.
THAT'S THE GOAL THREE CRITERIA
IN IDENTIFYING AGRICULTURAL
LAND THAT'S THE SOILS ARE CLASS
1 THROUGH 4 AND THE AREA WE'RE
PROPOSING IS CLASS 6 AND 7.
THAT'S A COUPLE OF SMALL
EXCEPTIONS THE SOUTH THAT THESE
LANDS ARE CUT OFF BY ROCK
OUTCROPPINGS NOT SHOWN IN
THE RECORD VERY MAP I GAVE YOU
ON THE SOILS ON SPEAKING
THE CRITERIA THEY ARE
PROVISIONS IN THE MARIN COUNTY
CONFERENCE PLAN. 
ZONING ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO TAKE
AN EXCEPTION AND I THOUGHT WE
APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED THOSE
IN MY REPORT. 
I WOULD STAND BY THOSE AND I
THINK OUR REASONS ARE MEASURED
AND JUSTIFIED MORE SPECALLY
THAT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTIO
HAS NEVER BEEN FARMED.
IT'S REALLY IN CAPABLE OF BEING
FARMED AND THE CRAFT AS FAR AS
YOU'RE CONCERNED NEVER WILL BE
FARMED.
SO WHAT'S MAYBE IT'S I'M
CONFUSED BY THE PEOPLE NOT
KNOWING EXACTLY WHICH PARTS OF
THE PROPERTY YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS
FILBURN GOING ON THERE AND
GRAZING ON THERE RIGHT NOW ON
OTHER PORTIONS THE PROPERTY
THERE ARE IN FACT IMPROVED
AREAS A GROW FILBERT AND THEY
ALSO HAVE A CATTLE AREA THAT
THEY'VE CLEARED AND DOES IN
FACT HAVE PRODUCTION
AGRICULTURE ON IT AND IT'S
COMING ALONG VERY NICELY I
MIGHT ADD.
SO WHAT'S GING ON ON THIS?
THE PART THE 20 ACRES YOU WANT
TO EVERY ZONE.
WHAT'S GOING ON? 
THOSE ARE OSTENSIBLY NOTHING.
THEY HAVE CLEARED THIS PROPERTY
AT GREAT COST.
THEY HAVE REALLY SOPHISTICATED
MACHINERY THAT CAN PICK ROCKS
OUT AND THIS IS ACTUALLY
THE END OF A GIANT PYROCLASTIC
FLOW FROM WHEN THE CASCADE
MOUNTAINS FORMED THE LAVA
FLOWED DOWN TO THE PUTTING
RIVER AND STOPPED AND THAT IS
THE UNDERLYING GEOLOGY IN WHICH
THE SOILS NEVER DEVELOP
PROFILES TO DEVELOP INTO
AGRICULTURAL LAND.
BUT IN SPITE OF THAT THEY
CLEARED AREAS OF BOULDERS.
BUT THERE'S PARTS OF IT THAT
CANNOT BE CLEARED ANY LONGER
BECAUSE IT IS A BASALT SHELF
AND THAT'S AN ILLOGIC HAZARD
MAP I INCLUDED IN THE RECORD. 
SO IT'S ONLY THAT PORTION OF
THE PROPERTY THAT CORRELATES
WITH THE SOILS WHICH WE ARE
PROPOSING CREATING THE PARCELS
IT WILL BE THE THEIR SONS WHO
ARE IN THE TRUST WITH THEIR
PARENTS.
IT'S A GRAPH FAMILY TRUST PAPAL
RESIDENCY MANAGEMENT IS
NECESSARY BUT THEY DON'T WANT
TO DISPLACE ANY OF THE EXISTING
CLEARED IMPROVED IF HIS OWN
PORTION OF THE PROPERTY I MEAN
IT IS OF USE IF YOU IS NOW
THEY WANT TO TAKE UP LAND THAT
COULD BE FARMED WITH YOUR
HOUSING.
WITH THAT SAID THE GOAL THREE
EXCEPTIONS STANDARD WE REALIZE
IS RIGOROUS BUT IT IS DRIVEN BY
THE NRC US U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
AGRICULTURE SOIL CLASSIFICATION
SERIES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE
PREDICATED ON IS THE LAND
PROPOSED FOR THE ZONE CHANGE.
IN FACT DO NOT MET THAT
DEFINITION.
WELL THERE'S A LOT MORE TO A
TERRIFICALLY COMMITTED ACCEPTS
AND THEN JUST THE SOILS
THEMSELVES AND AS THE MUSHROOMS
TALKED ABOUT I DON'T SEE
ANYTHING ADDRESSING THOSE GOAL
3 THE GOAL 3 EXCEPTION CRITERIA
.
I MEAN SOME OF THE STUFF YOU
SUBMITTED I CAN SEE HOW YOU
MIGHT BE ABLE TO PULL THAT IN
TO ADDRESS THAT.
I MEAN THERE AR VERY SPECIFIC
STANDARDS YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS
AND I DON'T SEE THAT THEY'VE
BEEN ADDRESSED. 
SO EVEN THOUGH I CAN TOTALLY
UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'D WANT TO
DO THIS IT MAKES PERFECTLY
REASONABLE SENSE.
BUT UNLESS UNLESS THERE'S A
DETAIL LIKE YOU SAID THESE ARE
THESE ARE TOUGH TO GET UNLESS
THERE'S A REALLY DETAILED
EXPLANATION OF EACH APPROVAL
CRITERION AND THERE'S VARIOUS
SPECIFIC ANALYSIS THAT ARE
REQUIRED UNDER UNDER
THE STATUTES AND THE RULES AND
LOUIE CASE LAW I DON'T KNOW HOW
I COULD I DON'T EVEN THINK I
DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH
THERE FOR ME TO TO APPROVE
ONLINE OF THE STAFF REPORT AND
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I WOULD ASK
FOR A CONTINUANCE THEN WE CAN
GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE THAT
EVIDENCE. 
I MEAN THAT WOULD I CAN'T BE
YOUR ATTORNEY GIVE YOU LEGAL
ADVICE WITHOUT THAT?
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK MAYBE WE COULD DO.
WE DON'T NEED TO SKIP TO
THE END OF THE HEARING RIGHT
AWAY. 
YOU COULD TESTIFY.
YOU CAN CEMENT EVERYTHING YOU
WANT TO TODAY OR TESTIFY YOU
WANT TO TODAY.
AND THE FOLKS ARE HERE MIGHT
WANT TO TESTIFY AS WELL.
I THINK WOULD BE BETTER IF WE
JUST INSTEAD OF CONTINUING
THE PUBLIC HEARING WE JUST LEFT
THE RECORD OPEN SO YOU COULD
SUBMIT THINGS THAT BE
ACCEPTABLE TO ME.
I'M SURE IT WOULD BE TO MY
CLIENTS AS WELL. 
I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME
PEOPLE HERE WHO WANT TO TALK
ABOUT ISSUES YES OR NO WE.
THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY PUBLIC
HEARING WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME
IN AND SPEAK IN PERSON.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE
EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO TESTIFY
GETS A CHANCE.
BUT YOU CAN KEEP YOU CAN TELL
ME ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO
TODAY AND WE'LL STILL LEAVE
THE RECORD OPEN.
WELL, I HA BURIED FINDINGS OF
FACT FOR ADOPTION.
I THOUGHT THOSE WOULD BE
APPROPRI TO ADDRESS BUT
APPARENTLY THEY'RE FALLING
SHORT.
SO I JUST WANT MY CLIENTS HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY.
LET ME ADDRESS IT FURTHER AND
PROVIDE WHAT I THINK IS
EVIDENCE WILL RESULT IN AN
APPROVAL.
OH , I THINK THEY BE REASONABLE
TO THAT LEAVING THE RECORD
OPEN, HAVING ME INTRODUCE MORE
EVIDENCE. 
OKAY.
THANK YOU. 
UM, NOW'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
ANYBODY WHO IS IN FAVOR OF
THE APPLICATION TO TESTIFY.
>>  SO IF IF YOUR FOCUS IS
YOU'RE PART OF THE APPEAL IF
YOU'RE THE APPLICANT THIS WOULD
BE YOUR TIME TO COME UP AND
TESTIFY IF YOU'D LIKE.
YOU GET A IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR.
YEAH.
MR. WALKER YOU DON'T HAVE TOM
IT'S UP.
IT'S INTO I JUST WANT TO GIVE
YOU YOUR CHANCE IF YOU WANT TO
.
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
GREAT.
ALL RIGHT, SIR.
ONE ON A G COME UP AGAIN IF YOU
SPELL YOUR LAST NAME AND THEN
I'LL REMEMBER TO REMIND YOU TO
SWEAR YOU IN RICHARD MASSEY I
LIVE AT 8 6 8 8 MASSEY LANE,
SOUTHEAST SALEM, OREGON 9 7 3 1
7.
THAT S S E Y HE Y VEGAS ART AND
MR. MASSEY DO YOU SWEAR OR
AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU
WILL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING
WILL BE TRUE TO THE BEST OF
YOUR KNOWLEDGE?
>>  I DO.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT.
>>  I BUILT MY HOUSE WHERE I
LIVE NOW BUT 28 YEARS AGO AND I
A KID.LY GREW UP IN THE AREA AS
SO I'VE LIVED IN THE MCCLEARY
AND THIS WHOLE AREA AND I'VE
BEEN AROUND MY ENTIRE LIFE.
AND I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT.
I'M I'M CERTAINLY NO EXPERT ON
GOAL 3 OR OR ANY LEGAL ASPECTS
OF THESE TYPES OF ZONE CHANGES.
BU I WOULD AGREE WITH
THE APPLICANT IF I KNOW IF I'M
THINKING OF THE PROPERTY
LOCATION THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE
SEEKING TO TO DEVELOP HERE THAT
IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT
WOULD BE BEST USED AS A
RESIDENTIAL SITUATION.
IT'S NEVER BEEN FARMED.
I HAVE WALKED THESE PROPERTIES
MY WHOLE LIFE.
LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING AROUND
IT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY
INCLUDING MY PROPERTY WHICH IS
TO THE WOULD BE TO THE EAST OF
THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S THE BEST USE OF THIS
PROPERTY. 
I KNOW WHEN ALL THESE LINES
WERE DRAWN AND EVERYTHING WAS
DONE, SOME OF THESE THINGS IN
THE MIDDLE GOT KIND OF LEFT
HANGING OUT THERE AND I SEE
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES
THAT DEFINITELY KIND OF MISSED
THE LINE RIGHT ON THAT BORDER
OF WHAT IS FRMLAND AND WHAT
ISN'T.
BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND
AGRICULTURAL. 
OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S IN FAVOR OF
THE APPLICATION YOU'D LIKE TO
TESTIFY? 
ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO IS OPPOSED
TO THE APPLICATION WHO WOULD
LIKE TO TESTIFY OR MAYBE JUST
HAS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, OK. 
WELL, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S
EVERYONE WHO WANTED TO TESTIFY.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE
TO ADD BEFORE WE WRAP UP HERE
AND THE STAFF WOULD JUST LIKE
TO POINT OUT THAT THE STATE OF
OREGON HAS SET ASIDE SOME WAYS
TO QUALIFY FOR HOMES AND
EXCLUSIVE FARMING ZONING
DISTRICTS SO YOU CAN QUALIFY
FOR A PRIMARY FARM DWELLING
BASED ON FARM INCOME AND IF
YOU'RE SOILS ARE A CLASS 4 OR
WORSE PREDOMINANTLY YOU CAN
ALSO QUALIFY FOR A NON FARM
DWELLING.
>>  SO JUST THE DESIRE FOR A
HOUSE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN
THAT WE CAN DO A ZONE CHANGE.
THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS SET
FORTH TO ACTUALLY QUALIFY FOR
RESIDENT SAYS SO THERE ARE
OTHER OTHER POTENTIAL AVENUES
THAT MIGHT GET THE SAME RESULT
WITHOUT THE DIFFICULTIES
INVOLVED IN GETTING IN
RELATIVELY COMMITTED EXCEPTION
.
THAT'S CORRECT.
IT MAY BE THAT THEY TAKE SOME
TIME BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER
AVENUES THAT AREN'T TO
THE SCOPE OF THE ZONE CHANGING
PLAN AMENDMENT.
ALL RIGHT.
OKAY.
THANK YOU. 
MR. WALKER, WE WANT TO POINT
YOU HAVE COME BACK UP SO WE CAN
DISCUSS THE OPEN RECORD PERIOD
FOR FOLKS WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T
DONE THIS BEFORE THE WAY THIS
WORKS IS FOR AN OPEN RECORD
PERIOD.
THERE'S THERE'S SORT OF THREE
PARTS TO. 
THERE'S A FIRST OPEN RECORD
PERIOD WHERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS
TO CAN SUBMIT WHATEVER EVIDENCE
TESTIMONY LEGAL ARGUMENT THEY
WANT TO THEN THERE'S A SECOND
PERIOD WHERE YOU RESPOND TO
STUFF THAT CAME IN DURING THAT
FIRST PERIOD AND SO YOU CAN
HAVE NEW EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY
BUT IT CAN ONLY BE RESPONDING
TO STUFF THAT CAME IN IN
THE FIRST PERIOD.
YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH BRAND
NEW STUFF THAT'S THAT IMPLY
MORE TO OPPONENTS PROBABLY THAN
YOU GUYS AS THE APPLICANTS.
BUT THEN THERE'S A THIRD PERIOD
WHERE IT'S YOUR FINAL LEGAL
ARGUMENT FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOU DON'T GET TO SUBMIT ANY NEW
EVIDENCE BUT YOU BASICALLY GIVE
YOUR LEGAL BRIEF.
HERE'S WHY WE SHOULD GET AN
APPROVAL. 
WE USUALLY DO.
SORT OF ONE WEEK, ONE WEEK, ONE
BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE TIME
WE'D CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO
GIVE YOU AS MUCH TIME AS YOU
WANT A 14 DAYS.
TWO WEEKS IS GOOD ENOUGH.
AND SO SO WE COULD DO TWO WEEK,
ONE WEEK, ONE WEEK.
WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU?
YES.
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
WELL, WIH THAT WE CAN CLOSE
THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
THE RECORD IS LEFT OPEN.
TWO WEEKS FOR THE SUBMISSION OF
NEW EVIDENCE, TESTIMONY AND
ARGUMENT.
ONE ADDITIONAL WEEK AFTER THAT
FOR RESPONSES TO THE NEW
EVIDENCE, TESTIMONY AND
ARGUMENT AND ONE WEEK AFTER
THAT FOR THE APPLICANT'S FINAL
LEGAL ARGUMENT. 
AND WHAT IS IS THERE A TIME
DEADLINE WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED
TO HAVE STUFF IN THE WE USUALLY
SAY 5:00 P.M. AT THE END OF
THE DAY FOR WHATEVER DATA SETS
THE DEADLINE. 
OK.
SO 5:00 O'CLOCK ON THE NEXT TWO
THREE DAYS FROM NOW TEN ONE
THIRD AND ONE THURSDAY AFTER
THAT.
AND I ASSUME YOU'VE WORKED WITH
STAFF BEFORE PLAYED AS YOU HOW
TO GET STUFF SUBMITTED AND ALL
THAT COUNTIES.
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
OK, WELL WITH THAT THAT WILL
CONCLUDE TODAY'S PROCEEDINGS. 
THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> 
