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>>ARTHELENE: HI THERE AND
WELCOME AND WELCOME TO
HOMEKEEPERS. IT IS SO
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.
I JUST GOT BACK FROM
CALIFORNIA, WHERE I HAD
A GOOD TIME WITH MY
SISTER, SHARON, SHE IS IN
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. AND
WE JUST ATE OUR AWAY ALL
OVER CALIFORNIA. I HAD
THE GREATEST RESTAURANTS
ON MY TRIP. ALSO THAT
WOULD BE WHERE THE WINE
COUNTRY IS, AND THERE ARE
MILES AND MILES OF
GRAPEVINES THAT ARE JUST
PLANTED. I DON'T KNOW
WHY BUT WHEN I GET, I GO
THERE, AND I SEE THE
CROPS COMING ALONG WITH
THE GRAPES, I THINK OF THE
BIBLE AND JESUS SAYS I AM
THE VINE AND YOU ARE THE
BRANCHES AND NATURE DOES
SPEAK TO US AND I PRAY
THAT YOU COULD REMEMBER
THAT FROM TIME TO TIME
THAT GOD IS SPEAKING TO
YOU, IN SO MANY DIFFERENT
AVENUES AND I HAD A GREAT
TIME IN CALIFORNIA WITH MY
SISTER. AND NOW I HAVE
GOT TO STOP EATING SO MUCH
AT MY GOODNESS AND WE ATE
EVERYWHERE WE WENT.
GREAT RESTAURANTS THERE.
WE HAVE GOT TO GET BACK TO
BUSINESS NOW IS ONE OF MY
FAVORITE GUEST OF ALL
TIME, AND WE WERE JUST
SPEAKING, AND WE HAVE
BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 30
YEARS. I HAVE GOT DOCTOR
TOM WOODWARD. I HAVE AND
WATCHING HIS MINISTRY GROW
AND HE IS THE FOUNDER OF
THE CS LEWIS SOCIETY.
AND I DO WANT TO TALK
ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT, AND THERE IS
A FASCINATION FOR CS
LEWIS. AND I JUST
FINISHED A BOOK ABOUT HIM
THAT WAS 300 PAGES LONG
AND I FIND THEM
FASCINATING. AND HE
NAMED HIS MINISTRY AFTER
CS LEWIS. AND THE BEST
THING WE EVER HAVE WHEN WE
HAVE SOMEONE ON THE
PROGRAM HE IS A GREAT
APOLOGIST. AND THE BIBLE
SAYS WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE READY
WITH AN ANSWER AS TO WHAT
YOU BELIEVE AND WHY. AND WE
SHALL SPEAK ABOUT THAT TODAY.
I'M GOING TO BE JOINING
STEPHANIE I WANT TO BE
MAKING IT, YOU'VE NEVER
HEARD OF IT, THE
BREAKFAST PEPPERONI. I
THINK, AND STEPHANIE HAS
BEEN RUMINATING ON THIS.
YOU KNOW THIS WOULD BE SO
GOOD FOR BREAKFAST BUT I
KNOW WHY SHE'S DOING IT,
I WILL TELL YOU WHY IN A
MOMENT. I WANT TO OFFER
YOU SOMETHING, AND BILLY
GRAHAM IS IN HEAVEN TODAY
AND HE WOULD TALK A LOT
ABOUT GOING TO HEAVEN,
AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU
THIS BOOK, THIS WOULD BE
SO MUCH DIFFERENT, AND
THERE ARE SO MANY BOOKS
ABOUT HIM, AND I READ A
BOOK ABOUT HIM ON THE
AIRPLANE AND I PURCHASED A
BOOK IN THE AIRPORT. AND
WE THANK GOD FOR THE WORK
THAT HE HAS DONE BUT THIS
ONE, THESE WOULD BE THE
CONVERSATIONS HE HAD
CONVERSATIONS WITH DAVID
FROST AND YOU WILL
REMEMBER HIM FROM GREAT
BRITAIN. WE ARE OFFERING
THIS TO YOU, FOR A GIFT OF
$25. AND YOU CAN SEE THIS
IS A BEAUTIFUL BOOK AND
THIS IS HARD BACK. AND
THIS WILL GIVE YOU AN
INSIGHT, AND THIS WOULD
BE HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH
DAVID FROST AND THESE
THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT,
AND MAYBE JUST NOT
WRITING ABOUT SOMEBODY
MAYBE YOU COULD USE YOUR
BANK CARD THAT NUMBER
WOULD BE ON THE SCREEN.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE
ADDRESS ON YOUR SCREEN,
AND WE ARE IN CLEARWATER,
FLORIDA. AND WE WOULD BE
SO GLAD TO GET IT OUT TO
YOU AND AS LONG AS THE
SUPPLY LAST. AND DO YOU
WANT TO SHOW YOUR SHIRT?
>>STEPHANIE: AND YOU KNOW
THIS IS WHEN YOU GET THIS
ON FRIDAY, THIS IS WHAT
YOU GET, AND SO NOT TODAY
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GET
WHEN WE TAPE ON A FRIDAY.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU TALK
A LOT ABOUT PEPPERONI. I
WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS,
TOO. ALL RIGHT THIS
WOULD BE SO GOOD FOR THE
KIDS. AND YOU KNOW AND
MAYBE YOU COULD PUT
PEPPERONI AND THE
SCRAMBLED EGGS OR
ANYTHING. AND I GUESS
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING,
AND YOU AND I DO WANT TO
TASTE IT.
>> YOU CAN GO
ANYWHERE AND THIS ON
THIS WOULD BE SO GOOD,
AND SOMETIMES WE MAKE
THINGS TOO HARD. AND
MAYBE WE HAVE TO BREAK OUT
THE DISHES BUT THIS WOULD
BE JUST SO SIMPLE AND
EASY. AND I MEAN, YOU
COULD GO VEGETARIAN OR
MEAT LOVERS OR ANYTHING.
AND THIS CAN BE DONE IN
THREE MINUTES.
>>ARTHELENE: AT 425°
>>STEPHANIE: I DID MAKE A
MISTAKE EARLIER AND I SAID
DO NOT SPRAY THE PAN BUT
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO
IT AGAIN.
>>ARTHELENE: ALL RIGHT
YOU ARE WRONG SO THERE YOU
GO.
>>STEPHANIE: AND WE HAVE
THESE, AND THIS IS FROM
WEIGHT WATCHERS AND JUST
COUPLE POINTS. AND THAT
WOULD BE SO GOOD. AND I
LOVE THIS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU AND
I THINK THESE POINTS DO
WORK.
>>STEPHANIE: I DID DO
WEIGHT WATCHERS AND THEY
GIVE NUMBERS TO THE FOODS
AND YOU CAN JUST HAVE SO
MANY POINTS PER DAY. AND
I DON'T NOT THAT IS
CALORIES OR WHAT AND ARE
YOU READY FOR THIS ONE?
AND I WANT YOU TO WATCH,
AND THIS IS DIFFICULT, BUT
NOT REALLY. SO, YES, ANY
CHEESE YOU WANT OR ANY
MEAT PRODUCT, OR ANY
VEGETABLE BUT THIS WOULD
BE PEPPERONI. AND WE HAVE
THE MOZZARELLA CHEESE.
AND WE PUT THAT ON THE
BOTTOM.
>>ARTHELENE: AND I REALLY
DO BELIEVE, MAYBE YOU HAVE
A HARD TIME GETTING
BREAKFAST IN THE KIDS, YOU
MIGHT DO THIS.
>>STEPHANIE: YOU MEAN
DOWN THE KIDS?
>>ARTHELENE: AND SO YOU
COULD USE SCRAMBLED EGGS?
>>STEPHANIE: AND YES AND
YOU COULD GO WITH EGGS OR
BACON, AND THIS WOULD BE
SO GOOD, YUMMY, THE PLUM
TOMATOES. AND YOU CAN ADD
FRESHNESS TO YOUR
BREAKFAST.
>>ARTHELENE: AND MAYBE
YOU WOULD THINK THAT WHY
THEY WANT THIS, AND IS
THIS DIFFERENT THAN
ANYTHING ELSE?
>>STEPHANIE: I DON'T
KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THIS,
I DON'T KNOW. AND YOU
KNOW WEIGHT WATCHERS USES
THIS TERMINOLOGY, SO
THAT WOULD BE WHY. WE
HAVE OUR PEPPERONI. AND
YES, THAT WOULD BE SO
SURPRISING AND VERY YUMMY.
OKAY. MY GOSH AND IT
SMELLS SO GOOD IN HERE, WE
HAVE THE BASAL, WE HAVE
THE FRESH BASIL AND I GOT
IT UP AND WHEN YOU CUT IT
UP, IT WOULD BE SO
AROMATIC.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YES, AND
YOU WOULD JUST SPRINKLE
THIS OVER THE TOP.
>>STEPHANIE: AND YES, AND
WE ARE GOING TO BE ADDING EVEN
MORE CHEESE SO THIS WON'T
FALL APART LATER, WE HAVE
OUR PARMESAN.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WE DON'T
HAVE TO COOK THIS WEEKEND.
>>STEPHANIE: AND YES AND
MY HUSBAND HAS GONE BACK
TO THE HUNTING CAMP AND
THAT WOULD BE ME SO I'M
NOT GONNA COOK. AND YOU
WOULD JUST BAKE THIS FOR A
FEW MINUTES AT 425. AND
WERE GOING TO BE COOKING
THIS A LITTLE LONGER,
AND YOU COULD GO MAYBE 3-5
MINUTES. YOU WANT
EVERYTHING TO BE WARM AND
YUMMY WHEN IT MELTS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THIS
WOULD BE VERY WARM. AND
YES AND I HAVE GOT AN IDEA
THAT YOUR CHILD WOULD EAT
THIS.
>>---
>>STEPHANIE: ALL RIGHT
NOW THERE YOU GO.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU
KNOW, AND YOU COULD SEND
THEM OFF WITH A GOOD
BREAKFAST.
>>STEPHANIE: YES, FOR
SURE.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU
KNOW, THE KIDS WOULD DO
BETTER IN SCHOOL WHEN THEY
HAVE GOT A GOOD BREAKFAST
INSIDE OF THEM.
>>STEPHANIE: AND YOU KNOW
YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING
WHEN YOU ARE HUNGRY.
>>ARTHELENE: AND I THANK
GOD FOR THE--- I THANK
GOD FOR THE DISTRICTS
WHERE THE CHILDREN DON'T
HAVE ANY BREAKFAST THEY
COULD GIVE THEM A GOOD
BREAKFAST.
---
OH, YEAH, BABY.
>>STEPHANIE: OH, YEAH,
BABY. THAT WOULD BE SO
GOOD.
>>ARTHELENE: ALL RIGHT
YES THAT IS SURPRISINGLY
GOOD, ISN'T IT? AND
VERY FLAVORFUL. AND
THIS HAS THE TASTE OF
PIZZA.
>>STEPHANIE: AND THAT IS
SO GOOD.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU KNOW
YOU CAN TELL THEM HOW TO
ORDER IT BECAUSE MY MOUTH
IS FULL.
>>STEPHANIE: YOU CAN
SEND IN AN EMAIL AND THAT
WOULD BE SO EASY AND WE
CAN GET THAT RIGHT BACK
OUT TO YOU. OR YOU CAN
SEND IN AN ENVELOPE BY THE
MAIL AND WE WOULD GET THAT
RIGHT BACK OUT TO YOU ANY
INFORMATION IS UP ON YOUR
SCREEN.
>>ARTHELENE: AND I'M
GOING TO BE TALKING TO MY
GUEST, AND YOU WILL REALLY
ENJOY THE CONVERSATION SO
STAY WITH ME.
>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE A
COPY OF THE RECIPE TODAY,
YOU CAN CONTACT US
THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AS
YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN.
IF YOU WANTED THROUGH THE
MAIL BE SURE TO INCLUDE A
STAMPED SELF-ADDRESSED
ENVELOPE AND WE WANT YOU
TO KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS
APPRECIATE HEARING FROM
OUR VIEWERS.
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>>ARTHELENE: DOCTOR TOM
WOODWARD, AND HE IS THE
ONLY PHD, ON MY PROGRAM
WHO BRINGS ME CHOICE.
>>GUEST: AND I GUESS I
LOVE THE TOYS AND WHEN
THEY WOULD BE RELATED TO
THE THINGS OF GOD AND WHAT
GOD HAS DONE INSIDE OF THE
BODY, AND WE CAN SHOUT,
"HALLELUJAH."
>>ARTHELENE: ALL RIGHT
NOT TELL ME WHAT THIS IS
ALL ABOUT.
>>GUEST: AND I THINK WE
DID A PREMIER OF THE TOY.
AND THIS WOULD BE A DNA
MODEL. AND THESE CUTE
LITTLE GUYS, IT LOOKS LIKE
MICKEY MOUSE WITH ANOTHER
EAR, AND THESE THINGS,
AND THESE ARE SO CUTE.
AND I THINK YOU CAN SEE
IT. AND THIS IS THE ON
OFF SWITCH FOR THE DNA.
AND THERE ARE 30 MILLION
OF THESE IN EVERY CELL.
THAT WOULD BE IN EVERY
CELL AND YOU'VE GOT 60
TRILLION CELLS IN YOUR
BODY.
>>ARTHELENE: AND DO THE
EVOLUTIONIST, DO THEY KNOW
THESE THINGS?
>> AND THEY
DON'T KNOW AND THEY DON'T
UNDERSTAND. AND
SOMETIMES THESE THINGS
TAKE A NAP, BUT THIS
WOULD BE JUST 21 PARTS OF
THE DNA DOUBLE HELIX,
AND YOU COULD MAKE THIS A
DOUBLE HELIX AND THEY CAN
OPEN IT UP LIKE IT REALLY
DOES OPEN UP. AND NOW WE
HAVE PRODUCED, AND THE
COMPANY THAT WE WOULD WORK
WITH, AND NOW THERE IS A
9 FOOT MODEL, AND WE HAVE
THE TRN GENE. AND
YOU KNOW THIS WOULD BE ONE
OF THE SHORTEST GENES.
AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE
SNIPPET AND THIS WOULD BE
A PART OF IT. I PRAY
THAT YOU HAVE ENJOYED
THIS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND I GO
BACK TO THE SCRIPTURE WE
ARE FEARFULLY AND
WONDERFULLY MADE. AND
YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS JUST
ENLARGING THE STATEMENT,
BY KING DAVID.
>>GUEST: OH, YES IT DOES
AND MAY BE PEOPLE WANT TO
HEAR A SONG, THERE IS A
LOCAL SINGER, LISA
GUILLEN AND I THINK YOU
MIGHT KNOW HER FROM OUR
CHURCH.
>>ARTHELENE: I KNOW HER.
>>GUEST: AND SHE HAS A
DNA SONG AND YOU CAN SEE
IT, AND THIS WOULD BE A
YOUTUBE VIDEO, AND YOU
KNOW, AND YOU WOULD GO TO
DNA AND BEYOND, AND DON'T
GO TO BED BATH AND BEYOND
BUT YOU CAN SEE THIS.
AND WE TALK ABOUT THE
NUCLEUS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THEY CAN
SEE THIS AT YOUR WEBSITE?
>>GUEST: AND WE DON'T
HAVE THE LINK TO THAT BUT
THEY COULD GO TO MY
WEBSITE, AND WE HAVE A
DEMONSTRATION THAT WE MAY
THAT RUNS TWO MINUTES.
>>ARTHELENE: AND I WANT
TO GET BACK TO ALL OF THE
THINGS I WANTED TO TALK
ABOUT, SO LET ME GET TO
THIS, FIRST. AND THEN WE
CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER
THINGS THAT WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT A MOMENT AGO
IN THE MAKEUP ROOM.
TECHNOLOGY.
DOES ANYONE, AND DOES
ANYBODY UNDERSTAND AND DO
YOU WONDER ABOUT THIS
UNIVERSE THAT WAS SET UP?
AND I CAN SEND AN EMAIL
AROUND THE WORLD, AND I
CAN SEND IT AROUND THE
WORLD? DOES ANYBODY
UNDERSTAND THIS?
>>GUEST: AND YOU KNOW,
AND THE TYPICAL DARWIN
THINKING, AND ARE THOSE
WHO WOULD GIVE-- AND THEY
ARE LOOKING AND THEY ARE
LOOKING FOR A THIRD WAY AND
THEY HAVE GIVEN UP ON
DARWIN. BUT LET ME SAY,
AND MANY OF THE PROFESSORS
WHO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION.
AND THEY BELIEVE THAT HE
IS THEORY IS THE WAY
THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED.
AND THEY WOULD SAY YES,
THE UNIVERSE IS MASSIVE,
IT IS AN AMAZING THING.
AND IT IS VERY FIND TUNED,
FROM THE EARTH TO THE SUN
AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT
1000 CHARACTERISTICS THAT
THEY HAVE SEEN SINCE 1980.
AND THESE THINGS
EXPLODED AFTER THE 1980S.
AND THE UNIVERSE IS
SPECTACULARLY
WELL-DESIGNED. AND THESE
THINGS ARE BRILLIANTLY
DESIGNED AND THEY WILL SAY
THAT IS JUST A CHANCE.
AND YOU KNOW AND THEY
MIGHT SAY THAT WOULD BE
OTHER UNIVERSES THAT WOULD
BE CLUNKY, AND THEY
WOULD BE SPEAKING ABOUT IS
A CREATION MACHINE. AND
THAT IS INTERESTING. AND
THEY WILL SAY THAT WE TURN
NOT BY CHANCE LIKE IN A
LOTTERY AND THIS IS WHY WE
ARE HERE. AND YOU KNOW
THAT WOULD BE A PURE
FAITH, THAT WOULD BE AN
ATHEISTIC FAITH.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THAT
WOULD TAKE A LOT MORE
FAITH.
>>GUEST: AND YES, BECAUSE
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR
WHAT THEY SAY.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THEN YOU
SEE, YOU SEE EVOLUTION,
AND YOU SEE THE MESSAGE
AND YOU SEE IT IS SO
TITANIC AND VOLUME.
>>GUEST: YOU KNOW, THESE
PEOPLE ARE HITTING
ICEBERGS AND NOT JUST ONE
WITH THEIR THINKING.
>>ARTHELENE: AS I
MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF
THE PROGRAM, AND WE HAVE
BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30
YEARS. AND CERTAINLY,
THE GENOME, AND DURING
THIS TIME, AND WITH THE
DNA, AND WHEN DID THEY
FIND OUT ABOUT THAT?
>>GUEST: AND YOU KNOW
AND I WAS THREE YEARS OLD
AT THAT TIME, SO I WAS NOT
FOLLOWING THE NEWS IN
1953. BUT YOU KNOW THEY
FOUND THE GENOME IN 2000
AND THINGS ARE EXPLODING.
AND NOW YOU CAN GET YOUR
GENOME READ FOR $500.
AND ORIGINALLY THAT WAS
ABOUT $20 BILLION.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU KNOW
THIS IS NOW BEING PUSHED.
AND I SURE THEY WANT TO
MAKE MONEY BUT THAT WOULD
BE SO INTERESTING, AND
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD FIND
IT OUT, AND YOUR DNA
WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAT
WHAT YOU WERE THINKING.
TELL ME ABOUT YOUR SOCIETY
AND YOU ARE THE FOUNDER
AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE CS
LEWIS SOCIETY. I JUST
MENTIONED, AND I HAVE JUST
FINISHED A BIG BOOK ABOUT
THE MAN AND I CANNOT
REMEMBER THE AUTHOR, IT
WAS OVER 300 PAGES. AND
WHAT DID YOU FIND SO
FASCINATING, AND THAT
THIS WOULD BE A PART OF
YOUR LIFE, REALLY?
>>GUEST: AND I STARTED MY
SOCIETY HERE IN TAMPA BAY,
AND WE HAD A OTHER NAME
CALLED THE FELLOWSHIP,
AND THERE WERE SOME
STUDENTS WHO WERE AT THE
NEW JERSEY CAMPUS AND I
CAME TO FAITH. AND I
THOUGHT THIS WAS RUNNING.
AND THEN THEY DID NOT
CONSIST ANYMORE, AND
THEY DID NOT KEEP THAT
NAME IN PERPETUITY SO THEY
GAVE ME THE ORIGINAL NAME,
FROM PRINCETON
UNIVERSITY. IT CAPTURES
THE HEART AND THE MISSION.
IT CAPTURES THE VERY
HEART AND MIND OF CS LEWIS
BECAUSE HE WAS SO
COMMITTED TO CHRIST AND
HIS TRUTH AND WITNESS OF
CHRIST, AND HE WOULD
MAKE, AND HE MADE HIS
LIFE AND AN OFFERING TO
THE LORD TO HELP THE
SKEPTICS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND
ORIGINALLY HE WAS AN
ATHEIST?
>>GUEST: FOR 20 YEARS HE
WAS A ATHEIST. AND WHEN
HE WAS AT OXFORD, HE WAS HE
WAS FIGHTING ON THE OTHER SIDE,
AND YOU KNOW, AND THERE WAS A
FRIEND, WHO BECAME A VERY GOOD
FRIEND OF HIS. AND CS
LEWIS WOULD WITNESS TO HIM, AND
HE WILL USE THE WORD OF
THE LORD, AND FINALLY,
THE MAN SAID OKAY, AND
HE WAS VERY REJECTED, AND
EJECTED. BUT THESE
THINGS TOTALLY EXPLODED
BECAUSE HE FINALLY
SURRENDERED TO CHRIST.
AND HE NEVER LOOKED BACK
WHEN HE WAS SAVED. AND
HE SAID I WILL TAKE
ANYTHING I CAN DO, AND
MAYBE HE WOULD WRITE BACK
TO PEOPLE, AND MAYBE HE
WOULD GO UP TO TALK,
AND HE WOULD TALK TO
PEOPLE ABOUT CHRIST DURING
WORLD WAR II. WE WANT TO
SHARE THIS WITH THEM.
AND SO WE SHARE THESE
THINGS RIGHT OUT OF THE
BIBLE AND EVEN WITH
SCIENCE. AND HE WENT ON
THE RADIO. AND ABOUT 1
MILLION PEOPLE WOULD
LISTEN TO HIM DURING
WORLD WAR II DURING THE
HARDEST PARTS. AND YOU
KNOW THIS MAN WAS VERY
BIBLICAL, WITH HIS
COMFORT AND THEY CALLED
HIM OF THE PROFESSOR. HIS
BOOKS ARE LEGENDARY. AND
EVEN THE NARNIA TALES
WOULD BE WRITTEN FOR THE
ADULTS AND THE KIDS DO
LOVE THEM.
>>ARTHELENE: ALL RIGHT,
AND ARE YOU ON THE RADIO?
>>GUEST: AND YES AND I
HAVE GOT A PROGRAM CALLED,
"THE UNIVERSE NEXT DOOR."
AND WE TALKED TO
SCIENTIST AS WE SPEAK TO
PROFESSORS WITH
APOLOGETICS. AND WE
SPEAK TO THIS AUTHOR, THE
STORY OF REALITY, AND
THIS WOULD BE A GREAT BOOK
ABOUT APOLOGETICS. AND
WE WANT TO EXPOSE WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN THE WORLD.
AND WHY THE WORLDVIEW IT
MAKES SENSE ON SO MANY
LEVELS. AND YOU KNOW AND
THERE WOULD BE LIKE A
TIDAL WAVE OF EVIDENCE.
AND THESE THINGS WOULD BE
CASCADING DOWN ON THE
ACADEMIC WORLD AND WE HAVE
GOT TO SMELL THE ROSES OF
THE TRUTH.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU SAY
THAT SCIENCE WOULD BE A
BRIDGE TO CHRIST AND THIS
IS SO MUCH MORE EVIDENT.
>>GUEST: I DO BELIEVE
THAT SCIENCE WOULD BE SUCH
A HUGE BRIDGE NOT THE ONLY
ONE THERE IS PHILOSOPHY,
AND OUR LIVES COULD BE A
BRIDGE, AND WHEN I AM A
TESTIMONY, AND WHEN I'VE
GOT JOY AND I'M NOT
GRUMPY. BUT THE BIBLE
SAYS THESE THINGS CAN BE A
WITNESS BUT IN SCIENCE,
THIS ARENA, AND WHEN I
BEGAN TO TEACH ABOUT THESE
THINGS 30 YEARS AGO.
AND THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN
VERY STRONG BUT NOW IT IS
CONSTANTLY RAMPING UP.
AND I HAVE SO MUCH NEWS TO
SHARE I HARDLY KNOW WHERE
TO BEGIN.
>>ARTHELENE: AND HAVE YOU
BEEN TO THE SOVIET UNION?
>>GUEST: AND YES I WAS IN
THE UKRAINE, AND YES,
AND I WAS THERE IN THE
FORMER SOVIET UNION AND I
WAS PASSING THROUGH
MOSCOW.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU WENT
TO THE UKRAINE AND DID YOU
SPEAK TO THE KIDS?
>>GUEST: I WENT TO THE
UNIVERSITY THERE, AND
THAT WAS MY FIRST TRIP TO
ONE OF SEVEN UNIVERSITIES.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE
SECOND LARGEST CITY IN
KIEV. AND I WENT TO OTHER
CHURCHES, AND I WENT TO
SOME OTHER PLACES ON THE
WESTERN SIDE OF THE
UKRAINE. AND HAVE THE
STUDENTS EVER BEEN TAUGHT
ANYTHING BUT EVOLUTION?
>>GUEST: THE ANSWER TO
THAT WOULD BE NO. AND MY
MESSAGE SHOCKED THEM.
AND THEY WERE TRAVELING,
AND THEY WERE THINKING,
THIS WOULD BE GOING
AGAINST EVERYTHING I'VE
EVER HEARD AND TAUGHT.
THE TIME WAS TENSE AND THE
PEOPLE WERE SHOUTING,
AND THEY ALMOST QUIETED
DOWN THE PROFESSOR BY
SHOUTING HIM DOWN. AND
THEY SAID THEY WOULD SHOW
THE VIDEO INTO PARTS.
AND SO THE KIDS HAD TO BE
MODIFIED.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU HAVE
TO HAVE THE HOLY GHOST AND
THE SITUATIONS.
>>GUEST: IT WOULD BE LIKE
THE BOOK OF ACTS, AND
THE HOLY GHOST CAN CLOSE
ONE DOOR AND OPEN A DOOR
FOR PAUL AND BARNABAS,
AND ALSO TITUS. AND GOD
CAN GUIDE YOU.
>>ARTHELENE: AND I'M SURE
THAT YOU DO SOME GREAT
PRAYING.
>>GUEST: AND I KNOW YOU
ARE SEEING THE LORD WORK.
>>ARTHELENE: AND I'M SURE
THEY HAVE QUESTIONS WHERE
THEY WANT TO GET YOU.
>>GUEST: I TRY AND I HAVE
FUN WITH IT WHEN THEY WANT
TO GET ME.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU HAVE
GOT A CERTIFIED
APOLOGETICS COURSE,
RIGHT?
>>GUEST: AND YES, AND WE
ARE HAVING A COURSE THAT
WE OFFER AT TRINITY
COLLEGE, AND THAT WOULD
BE IN MARCH AND
APRIL. AND THAT WOULD BE
THE COURSE ON THE INTELLIGENT
DESIGN. THE INTELLIGENT
DESIGN. AND WE ARE IN
THE MINISTRY OF EQUIPPING
AND TEACHING AND HELPING.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THIS IS
WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
>>GUEST: AND THIS IS WHAT
WE ARE DEVELOPING, AND
WE WANT TO ROLL THIS OUT
OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR SO,
ABOUT WHAT WE TALK ABOUT
AND THERE IS A
FASCINATION ABOUT JESUS
WHO WE THOUGHT THAT WE
HAVE KNOWN, AND THERE IS
SO MUCH MORE THAT WE DON'T
EVEN THINK ABOUT. AND WE
TRY TO HELP PEOPLE, AND
WE TRY TO HELP THOSE THAT
HAVE AN OPEN MIND, AND
WE TRY TO POINT THEM TO
CHRIST IF THEY ARE
NON-CHRISTIANS. AND YOU
KNOW HE IS NOT SIMPLY A
WISE MAN BUT HE IS THE
CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE
AND REDEEMER OF OUR SOULS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND I TELL
YOU WHEN YOU CAME IN, AND
WHY IN THE WORLD, AND
THEY HAVE GOT TO TEACH
THESE THINGS TO THE
KINDERGARTNERS IN SUNDAY
SCHOOL, AND ON THEIR
LEVEL AND IN THEIR
LANGUAGE. AND PETER
SAYS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO
GIVE A REASON. AND YOU
KNOW BUT YOU KNOW, AND WE
CANNOT JUST SAY I LOVE
JESUS AND THAT IS NOT
ENOUGH.
>> AND IF YOU
LOOK AT THE OPENING VERSES
OF THE BOOK OF LUKE, AND WHEN
YOU SEE THE BOOK OF LUKE,
AND LUKE WAS A DOCTOR AND
PHYSICIAN. AND HE WAS A
CRAFTSMAN OF HISTORY.
AND WHEN HE TALKS IN LUKE.
THERE IS AN EXPLOSION
RIGHT IN THE BIBLE OF THE
APOLOGETICS. AND HE
TALKS ABOUT THE ACCURATE
REPORTING OF WHAT HE HAD
HEARD AND CHECKED OUT.
HE BEGAN TO CHECK IT OUT.
HE SPOKE WITH MARY, MANY
TIMES TO GET THE FACTS.
AND WHEN YOU CAN SEE THE
CONNECTION WITH HISTORY
THAT WOULD BE SO EXCITING.
AND AGAIN AND MAYBE I
COULD DO A LITTLE PLUG,
AND YOU KNOW MY BOOK, AND
THIS WOULD BE A STORY
REALITY. AND WERE GOING
TO BE TALKING TOGETHER IN
APRIL HERE IN TAMPA BAY.
AND THIS IS A BOOK, AND
THIS IS TAKING THE WORLD
BY STORM. AND THIS IS
THE FIRST ATTEMPT TO
EXPLAIN THE TOTALITY OF
CHRISTIANITY, AND THIS IS
CALLED THE REALITY FROM
THE CREATION OF THE
UNIVERSE, AND THE
RESURRECTION AND
EVERYTHING IN THE MIDDLE.
AND HE WRITES WITH A
SKILL, IT IS WELL WRITTEN
YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE
LIKE SAVORING A GREAT DISH
THAT MAYBE YOU WOULD COOK
HERE.
>>ARTHELENE: NOW LET ME
SAY, THAT WE DO NOT OFFER
THIS BOOK AND I DID NOT
KNOW THIS DID EXIST, AND
THE MAN BROUGHT IT IN,
AND THIS IS THE STORY OF
REALITY. AND THE AUTHOR
WOULD BE?
>>GUEST: AND HIS NAME IS
GREG KOEGEL.
>>ARTHELENE: AND SO, AND
YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND YOU
COULD GET THE BOOK FROM
AMAZON AND BARNES &
NOBLE'S. ALL RIGHT AND
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
I WANT TO ADDRESS AND
THESE THINGS HAVE STOPPED
THE DARWINIST AND THE
EVOLUTIONIST. YOU TALK
ABOUT ANIMAL TRANSITION.
BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>>GUEST: WELL SO, THE
TRANSITIONAL FORM,
BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT
TYPES OF ANIMALS, AND WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT
JUST APES TO MEN. BUT
SOME OF THE MOST
SPECTACULAR THINGS, WOULD
BE LIKE A FISH TO A LAND
ANIMAL. AND THEY WILL
CONTEND, THAT IT
HAPPENED. AND THAT
SOMEHOW THE FISH BEGAN TO
GET LEGS, AND ALL OF THE
BONES BECAME THE-- BEGAN
TO COME TOGETHER, AND
THESE THINGS, AND MAYBE
THROUGH GENETIC MISTAKES,
AND THESE THINGS EVOLVED
INTO ALL OF THE DNA,
YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD LOOK
LIKE A HARD DRIVE ON A
COMPUTER. AND MAYBE
THROUGH RANDOM ERRORS,
THERE WERE NEW BLUEPRINTS.
TO ALLOW THESE THINGS TO
CRAWL OUT ON THE LAND.
AND THAT SEEMS HARDLY
CREDIBLE AND THAT IS
INCREDIBLE ON THE FACE OF
IT. AND YOU KNOW YOU
COULD LOOK AT THE FOSSIL
RECORD, AND WHEN YOU GO
TO THE STRATA, THE LAYERS,
AND YOU DON'T SEE
ANYTHING IN BETWEEN. WE
NEVER SEE THEM AND THEY
ARE NEVER THERE. LIKE A
DOG WOULD BE A DOG. AND
THE DOG DOES NOT COME FROM
SOMETHING ELSE.
>>ARTHELENE: I HAVE TO
WRITE THIS DOWN, WELL, A
DOG IS A DOG. AND WHEN
YOU SEE HOW MANY EVOLVED.
OKAY, AND WE LOOK LIKE
ANIMALS. AND ARE WE
EVOLVING NOW? AND WHEN
DOES THIS STOP?
>>GUEST: WELL MAYBE IF WE
COULD SAY THIS, THERE IS
A DOWNWARD SPIRAL, AND WE
HAVE MORE DAMAGING ERRORS.
AND THIS WOULD BE CALLED
ENTROPY, AND THIS WOULD
BE A WORD OUT OF PHYSICS,
IT MEANS NOISE, LIKE
DISORDER. OVER TIME, AND
WE DON'T GET BETTER. AND
THEIR--
>>ARTHELENE: AND THAT IS
THE REASON, AND MAYBE
SMOKING AND EATING THE
WRONG THINGS, AND THEN
YOU PASS THIS DOWN TO THE
BABY AND SO FORTH. AND
THAT WOULD BE SO
UNDERSTANDABLE. BUT YOU
KNOW, THEY CANNOT NAIL
DOWN EVOLUTION.
>>GUEST: I TRY TO SAY,
AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT
THESE THINGS AND MAYBE I
TALK TO MY FRIENDS IN
COLLEGE, AND THERE ARE
TRUTHS, ANIMALS COME UP
SUDDENLY, IT WOULD BE
CALLED THE ABRUPT APPEARANCE.
IN THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL
RECORD. THEN THEY WOULD
MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THEY DON'T
DEVIATE. AND THAT WOULD
BE CALLED STASIS. AND
THERE IS NO EVOLUTION.
AND THAT WOULD BE CALLED
AND THIS IS WHAT THEY SAY,
STASIS, AND WHAT HE
MEANS, IT IS IN THE FACTS
OF THE FOSSILS AND WE
CANNOT DENY IT. AND MY
FAVORITE QUESTION, TALK
ABOUT STASIS, AND YOU
KNOW THE ANIMALS DO NOT
CHANGE AND THEY ARE STUCK.
AND THE MORE THAT YOU
KNOW THIS AND THEY COULD
ADDRESS THESE THINGS TO
THEIR HIGH SCHOOL BIOLOGY
TEACHERS. AND THEY COULD
MAKE THE TEACHERS AND
SQUIRM.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THIS IS
WHY I WOULD GO BACK TO MY
COMPLAINT. AND WE NEED
TO TEACH THESE THINGS AT A
VERY YOUNG AGE.
>>GUEST: AND MY WIFE
TALKS ABOUT THE FOSSIL
RECORD AND THE FLOOD OF
NOAH. AND SHE TALKS
ABOUT THE DATA. AND I
THINK IT IS FUN. AND YOU
CAN GO TO THE FILM ON
YOUTUBE, AND THIS IS
CALLED THE DARWIN'S
DILEMMA. AND THAT IS ON
YOUTUBE. IT IS
FANTASTIC.
>>ARTHELENE: WE ARE
ALMOST OUT OF TIME, BUT
I HAVE HEARD SOMETHING
ABOUT THE GRAND CANYON.
AND PERHAPS, AND MAYBE
THAT SPLIT DURING THE
FLOOD?
>>GUEST: AND YES AND
THERE WOULD BE MANY
THEORIES ABOUT IT, AND
WE ARE HOPING THAT WE
COULD GET INTO THESE
THINGS MORE AND MORE, BUT
I BELIEVE THAT THE
OUTPOURING OF THE
OUTPOURING, IT GOT THE
CANYON. IT GOT IT, YOU
KNOW, IT DID NOT TAKE
MILLIONS OF YEARS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND HOW OLD
IS THE EARTH?
>>GUEST: I DO NOT KNOW
AND THE BIBLE DOES NOT
SAY.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WOULD
THAT BE MAYBE 6000 YEARS?
>>GUEST: I WOULD SAY MAN
MAYBE WOULD BE 6000 YEARS,
MAYBE IN 10,000 YEARS.
AND THIS IS WHY I PUT IT
TOGETHER.
>>ARTHELENE: WE ARE OUT
OF TIME! AND I WON'T LET
THIS GO SO LONG BEFORE YOU
WOULD COME BACK AND I KNOW
THE PEOPLE ARE SO
INTERESTED IN THESE
THINGS.
>>GUEST: THANK YOU FOR
HAVING ME.
>>ARTHELENE: YES, SIR,
AND JOIN ME AGAIN AND
THERE WOULD BE NO HIGHER
CALLING THAN THAT ME
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YOU.
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