>>> WE GOT TO ABOLISH THE
>>> WE GOT TO ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
ELECTORAL COLLEGE. THE WAY DEMOCRACY WORKS IS WHEN
THE WAY DEMOCRACY WORKS IS WHEN OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS COMES TO
OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS COMES TO ASK EVERYBODY, AND THAT MEANS
ASK EVERYBODY, AND THAT MEANS GETTING RID OF THE ELECTORAL
GETTING RID OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
COLLEGE. >> SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN IS
>> SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN IS GETTING BIG APPLAUSE FOR HER
GETTING BIG APPLAUSE FOR HER PROPOSAL DO AWAY WITH THE
PROPOSAL DO AWAY WITH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
ELECTORAL COLLEGE. IN 2016 HILLARY CLINTON WON
IN 2016 HILLARY CLINTON WON ALMOST 3 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN
ALMOST 3 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. IN 2000 AL GORE WON HALF A
IN 2000 AL GORE WON HALF A MILLION MORE VOTES THAN GEORGE
MILLION MORE VOTES THAN GEORGE W. BUSH.
W. BUSH. BECAUSE OF THE ELECTORAL
BECAUSE OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, OF COURSE, THEY BOTH
COLLEGE, OF COURSE, THEY BOTH LOST THE ELECTION.
LOST THE ELECTION. QUOTE, EXTREMELY WILD THAT
QUOTE, EXTREMELY WILD THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE WON THE POPULAR
REPUBLICANS HAVE WON THE POPULAR VOTE EXACTLY ONCE IN LIFETIME.
VOTE EXACTLY ONCE IN LIFETIME. JOINING ME NOW TO TALK ABOUT A
JOINING ME NOW TO TALK ABOUT A FELLOW AT THE HARVARD KENNEDY
FELLOW AT THE HARVARD KENNEDY SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT.
SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE LIFE?
ELECTORAL COLLEGE LIFE? >> OH, I LOVE IT.
>> OH, I LOVE IT. HERE’S WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE
HERE’S WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE LINE BECAUSE HERE’S WHAT I THINK
LINE BECAUSE HERE’S WHAT I THINK ABOUT WOMEN.
ABOUT WOMEN. I THINK IT’S FANTASTIC ELIZABETH
I THINK IT’S FANTASTIC ELIZABETH WARREN IS FORCING EVERYBODY IN
WARREN IS FORCING EVERYBODY IN THE FIELD TO HAVE REAL
THE FIELD TO HAVE REAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE TANGIBLE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE TANGIBLE WAY OUR SYSTEMS, OUR STRUCTURES
WAY OUR SYSTEMS, OUR STRUCTURES IN GOVERNMENT WORK.
IN GOVERNMENT WORK. >> THERE’S TWO THINGS THAT
>> THERE’S TWO THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. THERE’S THE SUBSTANTIVE
THERE’S THE SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT POLICY, I’M
CONVERSATION ABOUT POLICY, I’M GOING TO PASS THIS BILL OR NOT.
GOING TO PASS THIS BILL OR NOT. AND THEN THERE’S THIS
AND THEN THERE’S THIS CONVERSATION HAPPENING ABOUT THE
CONVERSATION HAPPENING ABOUT THE DEEPER DEMOCRATIC STRUCTURE OF
DEEPER DEMOCRATIC STRUCTURE OF THE COUNTRY.
THE COUNTRY. AND I THINK THERE’S A LOT OF
AND I THINK THERE’S A LOT OF ENERGY THERE AMONG DEMOCRATS FOR
ENERGY THERE AMONG DEMOCRATS FOR THAT KIND OF DEEPER
THAT KIND OF DEEPER CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. AND IT’S ALSO, I MEAN, IT’S A
AND IT’S ALSO, I MEAN, IT’S A DEEPER CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF
DEEPER CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE GOVERNMENT
THE STRUCTURE OF THE GOVERNMENT BUT IT’S ALSO -- IT IS --
BUT IT’S ALSO -- IT IS -- THERE’S BEEN AN INTERESTING
THERE’S BEEN AN INTERESTING CHANGE OVER THE YEARS IN TERMS
CHANGE OVER THE YEARS IN TERMS OF DEMOCRATS.
OF DEMOCRATS. NOT ONLY I THINK HAS THE
NOT ONLY I THINK HAS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FROM A POLICY
DEMOCRATIC PARTY FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE BECOME MORE
PERSPECTIVE BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVELY TO THE LEFT BUT
AGGRESSIVELY TO THE LEFT BUT THERE’S ALMOST LIKE A
THERE’S ALMOST LIKE A PARTISANSHIP, LIKE A WILLINGNESS
PARTISANSHIP, LIKE A WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE IN A FIGHT AND HOLD
TO ENGAGE IN A FIGHT AND HOLD THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO ACCOUNT
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO ACCOUNT FOR THEIR ATTACKS ON THE
FOR THEIR ATTACKS ON THE STRUCTURE OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND
STRUCTURE OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUR BODY POLITIC WRIT LARGE
OUR BODY POLITIC WRIT LARGE WHICH I THINK IS ALSO WEEK WALE
WHICH I THINK IS ALSO WEEK WALE UNIQUE --
UNIQUE -- >> I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT OF
>> I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT OF COURSE THE CONCERN IS THAT’S A
COURSE THE CONCERN IS THAT’S A RACE TO THE BOTTOM.
RACE TO THE BOTTOM. YOU SAW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING
YOU SAW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT LIKE COURT PACKING, RIGHT,
ABOUT LIKE COURT PACKING, RIGHT, AND THE CONCERN IS EVERYONE
AND THE CONCERN IS EVERYONE STARTS TO PULL AT THE SAME
STARTS TO PULL AT THE SAME THREAD AND YOU END UP
THREAD AND YOU END UP UNRAVELING.
UNRAVELING. >> I DON’T THINK IT’S A RACE TO
>> I DON’T THINK IT’S A RACE TO IT BOTTOM IF YOU HAVE A REAL
IT BOTTOM IF YOU HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT VOTING
CONVERSATION ABOUT VOTING RIGHTS.
RIGHTS. I THINK THE STRUCTURAL PIECE TO
I THINK THE STRUCTURAL PIECE TO ME IS WHAT WE OFTEN MISS WITH
ME IS WHAT WE OFTEN MISS WITH PLATITUDES.
PLATITUDES. AND WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN COME
AND WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN COME SUMMER IS YOU’RE GOING TO SEE
SUMMER IS YOU’RE GOING TO SEE ELIZABETH WARREN GET OUT AND
ELIZABETH WARREN GET OUT AND THERE SAY HERE’S MY IDEAS HOW WE
THERE SAY HERE’S MY IDEAS HOW WE MAKE AMERICA WORK AND WHAT IS
MAKE AMERICA WORK AND WHAT IS FAIR AND A LOT OF OTHER
FAIR AND A LOT OF OTHER CANDIDATES ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE
CANDIDATES ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF SUBSTANCE AROUND THAT.
A LOT OF SUBSTANCE AROUND THAT. >> I THINK THAT’S CORRECT.
>> I THINK THAT’S CORRECT. BUT I ALSO SAY, LIKE, I
BUT I ALSO SAY, LIKE, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A SORT
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A SORT OF LIKE BRINGING A KNIFE TO A
OF LIKE BRINGING A KNIFE TO A KNIFE FIGHT.
KNIFE FIGHT. >> YES.
>> YES. >> AND THE FACT IS THAT FOR
>> AND THE FACT IS THAT FOR DECADES THE DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID
DECADES THE DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID WE’RE NOT GOING TO BRING THAT
WE’RE NOT GOING TO BRING THAT KNIFE TO THE KNIFE FIGHT, AND
KNIFE TO THE KNIFE FIGHT, AND THAT STRATEGY HASN’T WORKED
THAT STRATEGY HASN’T WORKED EITHER.
EITHER. SO OFTEN WHAT A BULLY NEEDS IS A
SO OFTEN WHAT A BULLY NEEDS IS A TO BE SHOWN THIS WORKS TWO WAYS.
TO BE SHOWN THIS WORKS TWO WAYS. SO WHAT’S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS
SO WHAT’S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR IT GANDER.
GOOD FOR IT GANDER. IF YOU WANT TO STOP THAT RACE TO
IF YOU WANT TO STOP THAT RACE TO THE BOTTOM ONE OF THE WAYS IS TO
THE BOTTOM ONE OF THE WAYS IS TO INDICATE WARE GOING TO WIN.
INDICATE WARE GOING TO WIN. >> THAT’S AN INTERESTING IDEA
>> THAT’S AN INTERESTING IDEA WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS HIKE
WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS HIKE FILIBUSTER AND COURT PACKING,
FILIBUSTER AND COURT PACKING, STRATEGICALLY GOING AFTER IT
STRATEGICALLY GOING AFTER IT YOURSELF GIVES YOURSELF A
YOURSELF GIVES YOURSELF A MUTUALLY SORT OF DESTRUCTION --
MUTUALLY SORT OF DESTRUCTION -- >> IT BEGINS TO PUT STAKES ON --
>> IT BEGINS TO PUT STAKES ON -- >> BUT HERE’S MY MUSH BACK ON
>> BUT HERE’S MY MUSH BACK ON THAT.
THAT. I 100% BELIEVE ONE PERSON, ONE
I 100% BELIEVE ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE, POPULAR ELECTIONS TO
VOTE, POPULAR ELECTIONS TO DETERMINE THE PRESIDENT.
DETERMINE THE PRESIDENT. YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. YOU’RE GOING TO GET A
YOU’RE GOING TO GET A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT?
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT? IN SOME WAYS THIS IS THE
IN SOME WAYS THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS THE
FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES IS SO
STRUCTURES THEMSELVES IS SO OSSIFIED THE MISMATCH BETWEEN
OSSIFIED THE MISMATCH BETWEEN WHAT’S BEING SAID, WHICH IS,
WHAT’S BEING SAID, WHICH IS, HEY, HOW ABOUT THE WINNER GET TO
HEY, HOW ABOUT THE WINNER GET TO BE PRESIDENT.
BE PRESIDENT. >> 270 ESSENTIALLY, YOU’VE GOT
>> 270 ESSENTIALLY, YOU’VE GOT TO GET ENOUGH STATES INVOLVED IN
TO GET ENOUGH STATES INVOLVED IN THIS AND YOU’VE GOT TO GET
THIS AND YOU’VE GOT TO GET ENOUGH OF THOSE STATES LINED UP
ENOUGH OF THOSE STATES LINED UP WHERE YOU GET TO 270 IN TERMS OF
WHERE YOU GET TO 270 IN TERMS OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. >> COLORADO JUST DID THIS, BY
>> COLORADO JUST DID THIS, BY THE WAY.
THE WAY. >> AND THERE’S ACTUALLY SEVERAL
>> AND THERE’S ACTUALLY SEVERAL OF THEM LINING UP RIGHT NOW.
OF THEM LINING UP RIGHT NOW. NOT AT 270 JUST YET, BUT AT 200.
NOT AT 270 JUST YET, BUT AT 200. I DON’T THINK WE’RE HESITANT TO
I DON’T THINK WE’RE HESITANT TO KIND OF GO BIG AND GO BOLD JUST
KIND OF GO BIG AND GO BOLD JUST BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE ARK IS REALLY, REALLY LONG.
THE ARK IS REALLY, REALLY LONG. I WOULD BE NOT SURPRISED IF 6,
I WOULD BE NOT SURPRISED IF 6, 12 MONTHS FROM NOW WE SEE A
12 MONTHS FROM NOW WE SEE A BUNCH OF OTHER STATES GO
BUNCH OF OTHER STATES GO ONBOARD.
ONBOARD. >> BUT EVEN IF YOU DON’T GET TO
>> BUT EVEN IF YOU DON’T GET TO THE NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE COMBAT
THE NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE COMBAT MY POINT IS THAT YOU’RE
MY POINT IS THAT YOU’RE INDICATING THAT WE’RE HOLDING
INDICATING THAT WE’RE HOLDING YOU TO ACCOUNT, THAT WE’RE AWARE
YOU TO ACCOUNT, THAT WE’RE AWARE OF WHAT’S GOING ON, AND WE’RE
OF WHAT’S GOING ON, AND WE’RE AWARE OF THE INEQUITIES AND SO
AWARE OF THE INEQUITIES AND SO THAT IT MAY NOT BE THIS
THAT IT MAY NOT BE THIS SOLUTION, IT MAY BE ANOTHER
SOLUTION, IT MAY BE ANOTHER SOLUTION, BUT THE PARTY IS READY
SOLUTION, BUT THE PARTY IS READY TO MAKE THAT.
TO MAKE THAT. >> IT LETS US ACTUALLY START TO
>> IT LETS US ACTUALLY START TO SAY THIS PERSON, DONALD TRUMP
SAY THIS PERSON, DONALD TRUMP WHO WAS JUST ELECTED IS NOT
WHO WAS JUST ELECTED IS NOT LEGITIMATE.
LEGITIMATE. >> TO ME IT BIGGER THING HERE
>> TO ME IT BIGGER THING HERE WHICH IS WHAT THE CRUX OF THE
