The nations of Greece and Turkey have shared
a long and somewhat mixed history, alternating
between periods of conflict and hostility
towards each other, to times of peace and
understanding between the two Republics.
From Greece’s split from the Ottoman Empire
and establishing of its independence in 1832,
all the way to the ongoing high tensions between
the two during NATO meetings in 2020, these
two seem to always have something against
each other – and with such a deeply complex
history, it’s easy to understand why.
Today, we’ll be taking you through some
of the key factors in this complicated international
relationship, as well as examining which of
these two nations holds the greater military
superiority, and which would more likely come
out on top if they were ever engaged in another
full-on conflict.
At the time of writing, Turkey and Greece
are in the midst of an ongoing border crisis,
with asylum seekers travelling across the
Greek-Turkish border being met with violence
as they attempt to flee the escalating conflict
in Syria, which also shares a border with
Turkey.
One such instance of violence against Turkish
migrants can be seen in a video released in
March 2020.
In this video, Greek coastguards can be seen
opening fire on a rubber dinghy full of refugees
off the coast of Bodrum.
This comes as a result of Turkey’s President
Erdoğan announcing he would be opening the
Greek-Turkish border, which had been previously
prevented under an agreement between Turkey
and the EU made in 2016.
That’s an overview of the current situation,
and why there are currently once again high
tensions between Greece and Turkey, which,
unless resolved peacefully, could potentially
lead to another military engagement between
these two nations.
So, what would that look like?
Well, before we take a look at that, it’s
important to remember that Greece and Turkey
have had several wars in the past.
The most recent of these took place in the
aftermath of World War I, as the Ottoman Empire
was partitioned.
In case you were unsure, The Ottoman Empire
existed between the 14th century and early
20th, and controlled large portions of West
Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe.
Between the years 1919 and 1922, the Second
Greco-Turkish War was fought, and eventually
resulted in a population exchange between
the two nations, as well as certain lands
that had previously been a part of the Ottoman
Empire being absorbed by the Republic of Turkey
from the Kingdom of Greece, as it was known
at the time.
Over the course of the conflict, Turkey deployed
a total of approximately 421,000 troops, whereas
Greece (along with additional support from
the Allied Forces and volunteers from Armenia)
had a strength of around 620,000, yet the
end result was still a decisive Turkish victory.
Comparing that to modern figures, the Hellenic
Armed Forces – that’s Greece’s military,
composed of the Hellenic National Defence
General Staff, Army, Navy and Air Force – currently
consists of approximately 105,000 active personnel,
as of a 2018 estimate.
It’s important to highlight that's only
a peacetime figure; during a period of active
war (say, with Turkey, if the border crisis
hypothetically escalates) the combined numbers
of the Hellenic Army, Navy, Air Force and
National Defence General Staff could reach
over 750,000 people.
Overseen by the country’s Ministry of National
Defence, the Hellenic Armed Forces cost Greece
a staggering €4.230 billion for the fiscal
year of 2019, which is equivalent to $4.844
billion USD.
Since 1914, Greece has operated a compulsory
conscription into military service for any
men over eighteen years of age, for a minimum
period of nine months, meaning if any conflict
with Turkey was to break out, a portion of
Greece’s armed forces would be comprised
of young men who are just old enough to drink
in their native country.
Meanwhile, Turkey’s Armed Forces, much like
Greece’s, also consist of the combined strength
of the nation’s Army, Air Force and Navy.
However, in addition to these, the Gendarmerie
General Command – which is a division of
the Turkish government charged with upholding
public order, but usually in areas or situations
that fall outside of police jurisdiction,
similar to the role of the FBI here in the
US – and the Turkish Coast Guard can, during
wartime, become subordinate to the Army and
Navy respectively, effectively making them
additional reserves.
Also, similarly to Greece, military service
is compulsory for Turkey’s male population,
however the rules there are slightly different.
As well as the age of conscription being between
twenty and forty-one rather than eighteen,
Turkey also expects any men who do not hold
a four-year university degree to serve a minimum
of twelve active months in the army.
Those with a university degree have the option
to either complete a year of service but as
a military reserve, or a shortened six-month
tenure as an active private.
At present, the Turkish Armed Forces are the
second largest of any NATO-member country,
only beaten by the military force of the United
States of America.
As of 2015, it was estimated that the total
strength of all Turkey’s combined active
military and paramilitary personnel totalled
approximately 355,200 people, more than three
times the estimated number of active personnel
in Greece three years later in 2018.
The numerical advantages of Turkey’s Active
Armed Forces over those of Greece may only
tell us one side of the story, however.
As we previously mentioned, during wartime
Greece could potentially amass a force of
approximately 750,000 across the entire Hellenic
Armed Forces, enough to oppose the estimated
Turkey currently has in active service - though
with reserves factored in, Turkey’s total
forces also rise to 733,900 service members.
So, if conflict was ever to occur between
these two adjoining countries over the ongoing
Greek-Turkish border crisis, both Greece and
Turkey could possess almost equal military
strength.
And it’s entirely possible that this could
happen.
After all, unlike the days of the Greco-Turkish
War, current-era warfare is far more advanced,
and therefore can occur almost instantaneously
if the relations between both countries at
NATO meetings were to break down completely.
But who would be at a greater advantage?
To answer that, let’s examine it by land,
by sea and by air, and compare Greece and
Turkey’s full military capabilities.
Currently with 90,000 troops in active duty
during peacetime, the Hellenic Army is dwarfed
in size by the 260,000-strong Turkish Land
Forces.
While Greece’s Army could potentially see
a wartime increase in size to around 500,000
members, this is only an estimate based on
defence data from half a decade ago.
In addition, the Turkish Land Forces are supported
by 2,446 tanks, including 397 West German
Leopard 1s and 342 Leopard 2s, 1,532 US M60
Patton tanks and a further 250 Turkish Altay
tanks due to start production in 2023, expected
to cost two billion USD.
Meanwhile, there are only a total of 1,355
tanks supporting the troops of the Hellenic
Army, specifically 170 Leopard 2A6 HELs, 183
Leopard 2A4s, 501 Leopard 1A5/GRs, 400 M48A5
MOLFs (molfs) and 101 M60A3 TTS tanks.
In terms of their total quantity of troops
and tanks, Turkey has the numerical advantage,
along with an additional 10,139 armoured fighting
vehicles of various types, 872 howitzers and
418 multiple launch rocket systems.
On the other hand, the Hellenic Army is supported
by – in addition to its tanks – 4,209
IFVs (that’s infantry fighting vehicles)
and APCs (armoured personnel carriers), and
4,840 artillery.
That’s the strengths of Greece and Turkey’s
armies and their supporting tanks and artillery,
now let’s look at their Navies.
With the Aegean Sea situated directly between
their landmasses and the East Mediterranean
shared by both countries, a naval engagement
between the two is entirely possible.
On this front, Greece is in possession of
the 22nd largest Navy in the world (in terms
of the number of ships it has).
The Hellenic Navy consists of 120 warships,
including thirteen frigates, eleven submarines,
nineteen missile boats, ten gunboats, nine
tank-landing ships as well as 48 auxiliary
support ships, 27 aircraft and seven MH-60R
Seahawk helicopters bought by Greece in 2019
for 600 million USD.
This is combined with an active personnel
strength of thirty-thousand.
This figure may be comparatively smaller than
Turkey’s 48,600 strong navy (as reported
in 2008) and their fifty-one maritime aircraft,
but where Greece stands above their neighbours
is the skill of its Navy – and, by extension,
its Air Force’s – fighter pilots.
Ranked by NATO as some of the best in the
world, one Greek pilot was even the recipient
of the Top Gun Honours Award.
Occasionally, Turkish jets will violate Greek
airspace, and it has been reported that when
Greek pilots engage them in mock dogfights,
the skill level of Turkish pilots is said
to have been in decline since 2016.
For some added context, this was the year
that, after a failed military coup against
him, Turkish President Erdoğan was forced
to arrest several members of the Turkish Armed
Forces who were involved in the attempt to
overthrow him.
It would seem that the Hellenic Air Force’s
motto of “Always Dominate the Heights”
still holds true today, as of its 30,000 pilots
currently active, 11,750 are career officers,
meaning that these are pilots and airmen that
have dedicated their lives to the service
of their Air Force.
The Hellenic Air Force currently has over
four-hundred planes and helicopters at their
disposal, including 230 total combat aircraft,
154 of which are US General Dynamics F-16
Fighting Falcons, priced at $18.8 million
USD per unit.
84 of these particular planes are currently
being upgraded to the more advanced F-16 Viper
variant with plans for this to be completed
by 2027.
In addition, certain Aegean Islands such as
Skyros are currently being used as aircraft
bases by the Hellenic Navy and Air Force,
equipped with their own anti-aircraft and
anti-ship weapon systems, meaning that Greece
is already well-defended against attack.
Similar to the earlier comparison with the
Hellenic Army and Navy’s forces, Turkey’s
Air Force does outmatch Greece’s in numbers,
but – if the reports are to be believed
– not in terms of the skill of its pilots.
As of a 2019 estimate, the Turkish Air Force
employs double the number of personnel to
Greece at 60,000, with over double their number
of manned aircraft at 1,067.
Of these, 245are the same F-16 Fighting Falcon
variants used by the Hellenic Air Force, with
an additional 49 F-4 Phantom IIs, costing
roughly $2.4 million USD each.
So far, we’ve seen that the sheer difference
between Greece and Turkey’s combined militaries
seemingly gives an advantage – at least,
a numerical one – to Turkey.
Now, let’s talk about the nuclear option.
Turkey is one of one of five NATO countries
involved in their nuclear sharing policy.
In practice, this means that Turkey does not
technically possess any of its own nuclear
weapons, but rather shares them with other
NATO-member nuclear-armed countries.
At present, the Turkish Armed Forces have
a total of forty B61 nuclear bombs housed
at Incirlik Air Base in the city of Adana,
and while these bombs are available for use
by Turkey in the event of nuclear conflict,
their use has to be approved by NATO.
Being a fellow NATO-member country, Greece
would understandably oppose any nuclear action
taken against them, as well as additionally,
only being in support of the use of nuclear
weapons on its behalf.
As the bombs are owned by the US anyways,
America would never allow Turkey to use these
weapons against Greece.
It’s also worth noting that, given the close
proximity of these two countries, any nuclear
engagement against Greece by Turkey would
likely result in Turkey itself being caught
in the fallout, putting its own military and
civilian population at serious risk and potentially
killing millions.
At present, a conventional war between Greece
and Turkey seems unlikely, making it difficult
to know who is at an advantage.
When it comes to the numbers, Turkey seems
to have a stronger – or at least a bigger
– military at its disposal.
However, Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis
claims that Greece is capable of winning a
potential conflict.
According to a member of both Greece’s Institute
for Defense & Security Analysis and the Mediterranean
Centre for Strategic Analysis & Intelligence,
“A conventional war is unlikely.
A ‘hybrid’ war like the one we are witnessing
now with the use of immigration and propaganda
is more likely to continue.”
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