[chiming]
- [Michel] Well, I could
try and riff little
but really,
you may be better equipped
to speak on this, Cosi.
- [Cosi] It's amazing
how generous men become
when they don't know the answer.
- And how valuable women become,
but you have been cynical,
- Cynical?
- And coy.
The truth is
she does have the intuitive first floor,
how you would say, the first level
of looking at the work,
placing it in its context-
- But there's a danger
in awareness of context
because it can keep one from venturing
into the actual space of the work.
- She's letting me off the hook.
- I don't mean the room in which
it's exhibited or performed
because everything performs another self
once it enters the curatorial space.
The degree to which my work succeeds
is whether we can reconstitute,
reconvene, reconstruct
the space of the self.
So when I'm working with an artist
like Michel or someone more green,
I'm seeking a sense of isolation,
of shipwreckness.
Of course, we have to be aware
of what's hung here, history,
but then we have to unattach
because this belongs to the artist alone.
- Well, let's end on that
thought provoking note.
Thank you, Cosima and Michel
for coming out tonight.
We ran a little long
so there won't be time
for a Q and A tonight,
but thank you for coming.
[audience applauding]
Thanks.
- Thank you so much.
- Okay, wonderful.
- Nice to see you.
[tense music]
[low murmuring]
[jazz music]
- So, there's a big thing coming up,
it's going to be huge,
and I wanted to actually kind of,
that you, Jeff, I hear about it first.
- [Jeff] Okay, I'm ready.
- Okay.
So, but before, Jeff, thanks so much.
- [Jeff] Thank you.
- You set it all up, you performed it,
and we did a good job.
[birds singing]
[muffled conversation]
[radio playing quietly]
- No, I was talking
about like a 30 footer,
kind of a really, like,
kind of a tall piece.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right, and I was wondering,
okay, so let me call you back then later.
[quiet music]
- Hello.
- It's not-
- Not what?
- It's not what you think.
- What do I think?
- It's just food and I'm not,
I'm not taking pictures.
I'm not, I'm not casing
you or, or anything.
- Casing me, what do you mean, casing me?
- I'm sorry.
[stammering] I saw your, you
and your partner, your talk,
and I guess.
I'm an artist and,
I don't know, I just, I wanted to see?
I wanted to know how,
I don't know, I guess I
wanted to know how someone,
and it's not a thing that I do.
- So I suppose this is part
of your practice then, huh?
- What?
No, please don't, please
don't remember me.
I won't do it again.
I just admire you, you and Cosima.
- Did you just say?
- You and Cosima, Michel and Cosi Anders.
I was at your talk
and I had a question and
there wasn't a Q and A and-
- [Michel] You gotta be kidding me.
- The dinner just, it looks so delicious.
And the music you played,
it was Benny Goodman, remember?
I could have watched you
forever, you and Cosi.
Your life is just so beautiful.
I mean,
every inch of it belongs somewhere.
It could be anywhere,
it just happens to be here.
All that delicious food,
that green salad,
all the root vegetables and parties,
so expensive.
I was just sinking into it.
You know, when I make
art, it's only silence.
How unlike the fairy tale
I've now stepped into.
All the cocktails,
salads and the walnuts, Rachel Maddow.
You know, when you watch Rachel Maddow,
I feel like I'm watching Rachel Maddow.
- What?
- I'm so tired of trying.
I keep thinking that if I just keep at it
that maybe one day I won't have to be-
And then the, I mean,
the latch, it was open,
I didn't break it.
And the chair, and that was the problem.
It really was kind of like a trance,
I haven't done anything
of my own in a week.
- Okay.
- Please leave this garden immediately.
- Yes, okay.
- Please.
- [Cosi] She was watching
us the whole time?
- Something about Benny Goodman.
- What?
- Benny Goodman.
- [Cosi] Okay.
- Jazz.
- [Cosi] Um, I just,
I didn't realize we were so fascinating.
- Might have been in the party.
I don't know, she has been
there all the time, right?
- Okay.
Like,
do you think, do you think she's still,
do you think she's still out there?
- [Michel] Creep.
It's a little scary.
I mean, do you want me to see?
- Yes.
- Well-
- Just go out, just
but pretend.
- Let me check.
Let me check, okay?
- Don't look.
- [Michel] Nowhere to be found.
- Okay, good.
That's good.
I mean, who thought, just,
who ever heard of getting rid
of a stalker so easily, right?
- I don't know.
- [Cosi] I mean, she would
be more interesting to me
if she had stuck around a little bit.
I mean, that kind of dedication,
it's beautiful in its own way.
[jazz music]
[guests chattering]
- Hey baby, what's happening?
- Hi.
- Just grab a little vino.
What's happening here?
Gentlemen, cheerio.
- Anyway, well, I was just, so-
- Okay, okay, plenty of people.
- A little drunk.
- When did you guys get together?
- So we met-
[somber music]
- Do you think I'm interesting?
- [Cosi] Very interesting.
- Thanks
[quiet music]
Adriana.
Don't be frightened,
you're not in trouble.
I was just, thinking we could talk.
- [Adriana] What are you, how did you?
- You left so suddenly.
- You told me to leave.
- You didn't come back.
You could have found a new hiding spot.
- [Adriana] What?
- You should be more persistent.
You know,
women learn too early
not to really fight for what they want.
Unless you didn't.
I hope we weren't boring you.
[ominous music]
Just, if you wanted to return...
- Hey, what a coincidence.
- No.
- Let's go home.
- And do what?
[somber music]
