PEOPLE OF HAWAI'I MAY BE
RELIEVED ABOUT THE FALSE
ALARM BUT THEY'RE ALSO ANGRY.
ALL OF THIS WAS AVOIDABLE FROM
THE FALSE ALARM ITSELF TO THE
SERIES OF MISTAKES AND
MULTIPLE JUNCTURES
SURROUNDING THE INCIDENT.
ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
COMING OUT OF THE RECENT
HAZARDS PREPAREDNESS STUDY IS
THAT ALL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
STAKEHOLDERS BE INVOLVED IN
FUTURE PLANNING.
TONIGHT, REPRESENTATIVES
FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF
EDUCATION, AND
TRANSPORTATION JOIN THE
INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR FOR
HAWAI'I'S EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT AGENCY.
THIS LIVE BROADCAST ON LIVE
STREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS
HAWAII START NOW.
[INTRO MUSIC]
DARYL: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO
INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I...I'M
DARYL HUFF WITH.
HAWAII NEWS NOW.
LAST MONTH AT ABOUT 8:05 ON A
QUIET SATURDAY MORNING,
HAWAII WAS PUT INTO A STATE OF
CONFUSION AND FEAR WHEN A
FALSE BALLISTIC MISSILE ALERT
WAS ISSUED STATEWIDE BY THE
HAWAII EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
AGENCY. THAT SINGLE MISTAKE
WAS PRECEDED AND COMPOUNDED
BY MISMANAGED AND POOR
PLANNING -- WHICH LEFT THE
AGENCY UNABLE TO TAKE BACK THE
FALSE ALARM FOR 38 LONG
MINUTES. THE INCIDENT
ATTRACTED WORLDWIDE MEDIA
ATTENTION. IT WAS NOT ONE OF
HAWAII'S FINEST HOURS.
AS IT TURNS OUT - THIS HUMAN
ERROR AND THE BUNGLED
REACTION PROVED TO BE A
SIGNIFICANT WAKE-UP
CALL - REVEALING JUST HOW
UNPREPARED WE ARE FOR A
CATASTROPHIC EVENT.
INVESTIGATIONS BY STATE
DEFENSE DEPARTMENT LEADERS
IDENTIFIED AREAS OF
SIGNIFICANT VULNERABILITY
WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
INCLUDED NEW EMA LEADERSHIP
AND A NEW STRATEGIC PLAN.
THAT REPORT WAS RELEASED 2
DAYS AGO. TONIGHT WE HAVE
REPRESENTATIVES FROM 3 STATE
AGENCIES YOU DEFINITELY WANT
TO HEAR FROM.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S
SHOW. YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS. AND
YOU'LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF
THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG
AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK
PAGE.
NOW TO OUR GUESTS....
BRIGADIER GENERAL MOSES
KAOIWI, DIRECTOR OF THE JOINT
STAFF OF THE HAWAII NATIONAL
GUARD, WAS APPOINTED INTERIM
ADMINISTRATOR OF THE HAWAII
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY,
REPLACING THE FORMER
ADMINISTRATOR WHO RESIGNED
JANUARY 30TH.
DANN CARLSON IS ASSISTANT
SUPERINTENDENT WITH THE
HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF
EDUCATION'S OFFICE OF SCHOOL
FACILITIES AND SUPPORT
SERVICES.
DARRELL YOUNG IS DEPUTY
DIRECTOR - HARBORS DIVISION
FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION.
HAWAII'S HARBORS EMERGED FROM
THIS REPORT AS A CRITICAL AREA
OF CONCERN LINKED TO OUR FOOD
AND FUEL SUPPLIES
TIM SAKAHARA IS THE PUBLIC
INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE
STATE DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION - HE WILL BE
HELPING OUT TONIGHT SINCE THE
D.O.T. ALSO OVERSEES OUR
ROADS AND AIRPORTS
I'LL START WITH YOU.
THAT MORNING, WE ALL HAVE OUR
STORIES ABOUT THAT MORNING.
PROFESSIONALLY, WHAT WERE YOU
GOING THROUGH?
HOW DID YOU GET THE ALERT AND
WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR
MIND MAYBE A LITTLE
PERSONALLY BUT ALSO
PROFESSIONALLY?
>> INTERESTINGLY, I WAS
SITTING IN A MEETING WITH
GENERAL LOGAN, GENERAL HARA
AND SOME OF THE AIR GUARD
COMMANDERS AT THAT TIME.
>>Daryl: GENERAL LOGAN WAS
THE HEAD OF THE WHOLE DEFENSE
DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME?
>> YES.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS ALL OF OUR
PHONES WENT OFF.
AND WE ALL LOOKED AT OUR
PHONES.
AN WE SAW THE MESSAGE AND WE
LOOKED AT EACH OTHER,
IMMEDIATELY GENERAL LOGAN
RESPONDED BY CALLING HI-EMA
AND ENSURING, TRYING TO GET
ALL THE INFORMATION HE COULD
WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
AS HE DID SO, NOT QUITE VERY
SHORT TIME, IMMEDIATELY AFTER
THAT, HE TURNED TO US AND
SAID, IT WAS A FALSE ALARM.
AND SO AT THAT TIME, WHAT I DID
WAS I STARTED TEXTING AND
FOLLOWING SOME OF MY PEOPLE
AND MY FAMILY WHAT WAS
HAPPENING.
>>Daryl: SO ESSENTIALLY, OR
FOLKS IN YOUR POSITION, IT WAS
MORE ABOUT TRYING TO GET OUT
THE WORD THAT THIS WAS A FALSE
ALARM.
>> YES.
>>Daryl: DANN CARLSON, YOU
HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT AT A
LOT OF SCHOOLS EVEN THOUGH IT
WAS A NONSCHOOL DAY.
WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR
MIND, WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO
DO.
>> I WAS AT HOME WITH MY
FAMILY.
I WENT TO A BATHROOM, WITH
SEVEN OTHERS AND WE HUNKERS
DOWN THERE.
BUT IMMEDIATELY, OUR PHONES
STARTED JUST GOING CRAZY FROM
INTERNAL D.O.E.
COMMUNICATION TRYING TO KIND
OF DECIPHER WHAT WAS GOING ON.
THE FACT THERE WERE NO SIRENS
ONE OF THE FIRST BIG
INDICATORS THAT MIGHT BE
SUSPICIOUS.
AT THAT POINT, I THINK D.O.E.,
WE LEARNED A LOT FROM IT.
WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT
COMMUNICATION, MAKING SURE
THAT WE EVEN HAVE CREATED, FOR
EXAMPLE, TEXT GROUP MESSAGE
TYPE SITUATIONS.
SO I CAN HIT ONE TEXT AND I CAN
CONTACT ALL OF THE CRITICAL
PEOPLE THAT I NEED TO CONTACT
AT THAT TIME.
>>Daryl: WERE YOU THINKING
THAT, OH,, WHAT WERE YOUR
THOUGHTS?
DID YOU HAVE ASTRONAUTS ABOUT
THE SCHOOLS?
DURING THAT PERIOD, WHEN YOU
DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS FALSE?
>> OTHER PARTS OFF YOU ARE
DEPARTMENT, DEPUTY AND
SUPERINTENDENT WERE GETTING
DIRECT PHONE CALLS FROM
PRINCIPALS WHO HAD ACTIVITIES
GOING ON MAYBE ON DIFFERENT
CAMPUS.
SOCCER FIELDS THAT WERE
OCCUPIED.
OTHER AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WERE
AT THE SCHOOLS OR AT THE
SCHOOL SITES.
HAPPY TO SAY THAT RESPONSE WAS
ACTUALLY VERY POSITIVE I
WOULD SAY.
I WOULD SAY SCHOOLS ARE VERY
WELL IN TUNE AND PREPARED FOR
THESE KIND OF THINGS BECAUSE
THEY DRILL AND PRACTICE THESE
ROUTINELY.
IN SOME WAYS, OUR KEIKI
LEDSOME OF THE GROUPS INTO HOW
SHOULD WE HANDLE THIS.
>>Daryl: THEY KNOW WHERE THE
CAMPUS AND WHERE THEY'RE
SUPPOSED TO GO.
>> EXACTLY.
THEY KNOW THE PROCEDURE FOR
THIS KIND OF SITUATION.
WE TRY TO SHELTER IN PLACE AND
A LOT OF THEM HAVE JUST
REVIEWED THAT RECENTLY
BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN
INCREASED ATTENTION TOWARDS
THE SITUATION AND WE'VE BEEN
PRACTICING THOSE DRILLS AND
ENSURING THAT OUR SCHOOLS.
>>Daryl: WE'LL GET BACK MORE
TO THAT AND WE'LL GET SOME
QUESTIONS.
CIRCLE BACK TO THAT ISSUE.
DARRELL YOUNG FROM THE
HARBORS DEPARTMENT.
WHAT WAS PUT YOUR MIND AND DID
YOU HAVE A CHECKLIST?
>> I WAS DOWN AT THE MAGIC
ISLAND.
MY SON PADDLES FOR A PRIVATE
SCHOOL.
AND THEY WERE AT A MEET.
IN BETWEEN MEETS.
MY WIFE ISLAND WENT WALKING
TOWARDS ALA MOANA WHEN IT WENT
OFF.
IMMEDIATELY, I WAS TEXTING MY
INCIDENT COMMAND SYSTEM AND
WITHIN MINUTES, WE KIND OF
KNEW IT WAS FALSE.
AGAIN, THERE WAS NO ALARM.
I DID COMMENT TO DANNY THOUGHT
THAT DAY, A A LOT OF THE KIDS
WERE THE LEADERS IN SOME OF
THE RESPONSE BECAUSE THEY
TRAINED SO WELL.
THE KIDS RAN FROM MAGIC
ISLAND, WENT TOWARDS ALA
MOANA CENTER.
BEING AT PLANET FITNESS.
>>Daryl: I REMEMBER THAT
VIDEO.
>> THEY HOUSED 200 PLUS KIDS
IN THE LOCKER ROOMS.
AND WE HEARD ANECDOTAL
COMMENTS ABOUT HOW KIDS AT
PUNAHOU AND THE SOCCER
TOURNAMENT ALL KNEW TO GET
INTO THE GYM, ALL THE KUPUNA
WENT INTO THE HEALTH ROOM AT
KAPOLEI, THERE WAS A COACH
THAT BLEW A WHISTLE AND
GATHERED EVERYONE INTO THE
GYM AND ON ONE HAND, IT'S
GREAT THAT THE KIDS KNOW ALL
OF THIS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S SAD
WE'RE TRYING FOR ALL OF THIS.
>>Daryl: AS FAR AS THE HARBOR,
YOU MENTIONED INCIDENT
COMMAND.
YOU GUYS HAVE PEOPLE THERE ALL
THE TIME?
>> ON A NORMAL SITUATION,
WE'LL DO A TEXT TRACE WITH ALL
OF MY DISTRICT MANAGERS.
AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATOR, KEY
STAFF.
AGAIN, WE TRAIN WELL WITH
HI-EMA ON PRIMARILY HURRICANE
EVENTS.
AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE
WE'LL TAKE A SEA PORT UNIFIED
COMMAND WITH US AND COAST
GUARD.
WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
CARGO YARDS AND ABOUT 50 FEET
FROM THE EDGE OF PIER INTO THE
WATER.
THE REST OF THE WATER IS ALL
FEDERAL WATER.
>>Daryl: DID YOU HAVE A PLAN
IN POLICE FOR A NUCLEAR
ATTACK.
>> WE MOVED TO SHELTER IN
PLACE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THAT DAY, WE HAD
TWO CRUISE SHIPS IN.
SO OUR HARBOR POLICE WAS OUT
THERE GATHERING EVERYBODY.
TAXI DRIVER, BUS DRIVERS,
PUTTING THEM ALL INTO THE
PUBLIC AREAS, NOT NECESSARILY
SECURE AREAS, BUT PUBLIC
AREAS.
>>Daryl: YOU HAVE A SHELTER IN
PLACE PLAN.
>> YES.
FOR YOU AS PUBLIC INFORMATION
OFFICER, YOU SAW A LOT OF
STRUGGLING WITH PUBLIC
INFORMATION THAT DAY.
WHAT WERE YOU GOING THROUGH?
>> SATURDAY MORNING, SO MY
WIFE AND SON AND DAUGHTER, WE
WERE ALL HOME STARTING TO GET
THE DAY GOING.
I MEAN, AS THE PIO FOR ALL THE
AIRPORTS, HARBORS AND
HIGHWAYS IN THE STATE, USED TO
HAVING MY PHONE AROUND.
IT WAS WITH ME.
BUT SO MY WORK PHONE, PERSONAL
PHONE, AND THEN MY WIFE'S
MOBILE PHONE ALL WENT UP AT
THE SAME TIME AND THE FIRST
THING THAT STRUCK ME WAS
DIFFERENT ALERT.
I MEAN, I'M USED TO GETTING
ALERTS.
IT WAS A DIFFERENT SOUND.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, I
THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU SEE
THE LAST ONE.
THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
CERTAINLY ENOUGH TO GET YOUR
TENSION.
I TOO WAS SUSPICIOUS BY NOT
HEARING THE SIREN.
IT WAS ENOUGH TO GET ME INTO
ALERT MODE AND START TAKING
ACTION.
I DIRECTED MY SON TO START
FILLING UP WATER BOTTLES LIKE
WE DO ON ANY OTHER NATURAL
DISASTER, JUST IN CASE,
FILLING UP WATERS BRINGING IN
FOOD IN THE GARAGE MAYBE
INSIDE THINGS.
I STARTED MAKING CALLS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, GOING TO
THE NEWS AND SOCIAL MEDIA AN
THINGS.
BEFORE I GOT THE WORD.
THAT AT THATS WITH A FALSE
MISSILE ALARM.
>>Daryl: VIEWERS MIGHT BE
CONFUSED WHAT HAPPENS IN A
NEWSROOM.
FROM OUR ON EXPERIENCE, WE GOT
THE ALERT AT HOME.
I WAS WITH MY WIFE.
MY KIDS LIVE ON THE MAINLAND,
IN COLLEGE.
SO WASN'T TOO WORRIED ABOUT
THAT.
MOMENTARY FEAR, THIS CAN'T BE
REAL.
CAN'T DO THIS.
LITTLE MOMENT, I BETTER DO
SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
NO SIRENS.
TRIED TO GET ON CNN.
NOTHING ON CNN.
WITHIN I THINK FOUR OR FIVE
MINUTES, WE WERE IN CONTACT
POLICE TELLING US NO.
OUR ALERT FROM HAWAII NEWS NOW
MOBILE APP WENT OUT, I THINK
WITHIN LIKE I WANT TO SAY IT
WAS 8 MINUTE.
OR TEN MINUTES OF THE ALERT.
SO AT THAT POINT, WE ALL WENT
IN TO WORK.
DID YOU GUYS HAVE TO GO TO
WORK, EVERYBODY?
>> WE WERE SPENDING A LOT OF
TIME COMMUNICATING AT LEAST
BACK AND FORTH.
>> YOU GUYS WERE CALLING ME
RIGHT AWAY.
>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
REPORT THAT JUST CAME OUT FROM
GENERAL HARA, REALLY TO THIS
DATE THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE
LOOK WE HAVE.
IT WAS HIGHLY CRITICAL IN A
LOT OF WAYS.
SEVERAL PEOPLE CONTRIBUTED TO
THIS REPORT.
BRIGADIER GENERAL HARA
AUTHORIZED THE REPORT.
HARRY KIM, LONG TIME CIVIL
DEFENSE EXPERT.
CHELSEA CHANG, DYNAMIC
PLANNING AND RESPONSE CE.
O PRIVATE SECTOR.
DAVID LOPES, CRITICAL SYSTEM
PLANNER WITH HAWAI'I
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY.
JEFFREY HICKAM, STATE
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
MICHAEL VINCENT, DEPUTY
ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND
EVERETT, COORDINATOR STATE
DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL DEFENSE.
THIS REPORT, WHAT DID YOU TAKE
AWAY FROM THIS REPORT THAT WAS
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
YOU'RE CARRYING INTO YOUR NEW
ROLE AS INTERIM DIRECTOR.
>> FIRST THING STRATEGIC
PLAN.
THAT WAS AT THE TOP OF GENERAL
HARA'S REPORT.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IS
BECAUSE AGENCY, WE DO I LOT OF
GREAT THINGS.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOK AT THE
DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION,
ADMINISTRATION'S ABILITY TO
RESPOND TO STORM AND NATURAL
DISASTER, HURRICANE,
TSUNAMI, EARTHQUAKE.
VERY ASTUTE AT HANDLING THOSE
ISSUES.
BECAUSE WE PRACTICE THEM SO
MUCH.
LOOK AT HURRICANE ISELLE,
RESPONSE WAS GREAT.
PUNA LAVA FLOW WAS ANOTHER
ONE.
THE FLOODS THAT OCCURRED IN
THE PAST, THESE THINGS THAT
THE HI-EMA HAS BEEN GREAT
COORDINATING SUPPORT FOR, AND
THESE ARE EVENTS THAT REALLY
OCCUR AS A FAR IN ADVANCE WHEN
YOU GET NOTICE.
HURRICANE USUALLY TAKES A
COUPLE OF DAYS.
YOU CAN SEE IT COMING.
SO YOU SLOWLY GET UP AND RAMP
UP TO THE ACTUAL INCIDENT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOK AT WHERE
WE ARE AS FAR AS ORGANIZATION
AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT
FROM A TOP DOWN OR BIGGER
PICTURE DOWN, WE'RE SO BUSY
DOING THESE HAZARD MITIGATION
PLANS LOOKING AT RESPONSE
PLANS, LOOKING AT ASSISTANCE,
FEMA REIMBURSEMENTS, VERY
GOOD AT THOSE THINGS.
REST ASSURED WE'VE GOTTEN
AWAY WITH LOT OF HARD-WORKING
GUYS DOING FEMA
REIMBURSEMENTS.
BUT TAKING A BIGGER PICTURE,
STEMMING OUT, LOOKING AT THE
ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE.
VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE
STRATEGIC PLAN IS ENSURE THAT
HI-EMA, AS WELL AS STATE, HAS
A VISION OF WHERE WE WANT TO
BE, WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY
SECURITY AND RESPONSE TO
NATURAL DISASTERS.
>>Daryl: LET ME READ THIS FROM
THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THIS
REPORT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT JARGON.
IT SAYS, EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF
HARA REPORT.
PEOPLE OF HAWAI'I EXPECT THE
HAWAI'I EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
AGENCY TO BE TRAINED READY AND
PREPARED FOR ALL HAZARDS.
HOWEVER, PREPAREDNESS
DETERRING MITIGATING AND
REDUCING VULNERABILITY
PREVENTING KNOWING WHAT TO,
RESPONDING TO AND RAPIDLY
RECOVERING FROM MAJOR
DISASTER REQUIRES A
MULTITIERED, INTEROPERABLE
AND WHOLE OF COMMUNITY
APPROACH.
RESULTANTLY PREPAREDNESS FOR
MAJOR DISASTERS IS RESOURCE
INTENSIVE.
LET ME ASK DANN CARLSON.
YOU'RE THE D.O.E..
YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS PLANNING
ESPECIALLY FACILITIES SIDE.
HOW DO YOU BALANCE THE NEED
FOR LOTS OF RESOURCES FOR
PLANNING AGAINST JUST GETTING
YOUR JOB DONE?
>> IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR SURE.
AGAIN, I THINK IN SOME OF THE
MORE RECENT SITUATIONS, THE
RESOURCES ARE BECOMING VERY
CRITICAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF LEGISLATION
OUT THERE RIGHT NOW TIE TO DO
SOME OF THAT.
WHEN WE'RE TALK ABOUT THE
SAFETY OF SECURITY, TYPE
ISSUES.
IT'S A BALANCE WE'RE HOPEFUL
WE'LL GET SOME APPROPRIATIONS
TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THOSE
COSTS.
THOSE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT
HAVE DO FOR SAFETY AND
SECURITY, WHICH ARE OBVIOUSLY
THE MOST IMPORTANT, CAN
COMPETE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE
AT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH.
SO IT IS A CHALLENGE.
IT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE FACE
EVERY DAY.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY SAFETY AND
SECURITY IS USUALLY
PARAMOUNT.
AND OBVIOUSLY, OUTRANKS
ANYTHING ELSE.
>>Daryl: SCHOOLS TOO, YOU
GUYS HAVE SO MANY SCHOOLS,
THAT YOU END UP WITH A LOT OF
YOUR INITIATIVES SAYING,
OKAY, HEY, SCHOOL, YOU SHOULD
BE DOING THIS.
.
CORRECT.
>>Daryl: DO WE KNOW THAT THE
SCHOOL, ALL THE SCHOOLS ARE
DOING THAT OR HOW DO YOU KEEP
TRACK OF WHETHER ANY GIVEN
SCHOOL HAS DONE WHAT YOU'RE
EXPECTING THEM TO DO.
SAFETY SECURITY ISSUES AND
EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, WE
ASK THE SCHOOLS TO DO FIVE
DIFFERENT DRILLS EVERY YEAR.
EVACUATION, TSUNAMI,
EARTHQUAKE, SHELTER IN PLACE
AND LOCK DOWN.
WE GIVE THE PRINCIPALS
LATITUDE TO IT WHENEVER THEY
NEED TO DURING THE YEAR.
WE DO ASK FOR QUARTERLY SAFETY
REPORTS WHERE THEY REPORT
THEIR EVACUATION DRILLS.
WE HOPE THEM DETERMINE WHAT
THOSE DRILLS SHOULD LOOK
LIKE.
HELP THEM DEVELOP THEIR
EMERGENCY ACTION PLANS AN
MONITOR THOSE EVERY YEAR.
MAKE SURE THEY'VE BEEN LOOKED
AT AND SUBMITTED TO US AND SO
I HAVE A TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT
DOES THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY, MONITORS.
YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
256 SCHOOLS.
256 PRINCIPALS.
THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT
OPINION OPINION AS TO HOW
IMPORTANT SOME OF THIS IS.
WE CERTAINLY EMPOWER OUR
PRINCIPALS.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY DO,
OBVIOUSLY, WHEN YOU'RE
DEALING WITH THE SIZE AND
QUANTITY YOU BROUGHT UP,
DEFINITELY.
>>Daryl: I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE VIEWER QUESTION.
WE KNOW SCHOOLS PRACTICE FIRE
DRILLS AND LOCKDOWN
PROCEDURES.
DOES THE D.O.E. HAVE PLANS FOR
A NEW TYPE OF DRILL BASED ON
THIS TYPE OF THREAT?
I THINK THERE GOES TO THE
QUESTION, WHEN IT COMES TO
NUCLEAR ATTACK, IT'S A
DIFFERENT KIND OF SITUATION
THAN JUST A REGULAR LOCK DOWN.
THERE'S A LOT, IF YOU'RE
DIRECTING SCHOOLS TO DO.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE RESOURCES
TO GO BUY STUFF OR YOU KNOW,
I MEAN, IS THE SCHOOL REALLY
WORTH PLANNING FOR A NUCLEAR
ATTACK GIVEN THE REAL
LIKELIHOOD OF IT?
>> WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
GIVEN THE GUIDANCE FOR THE
REACTION TO THE SITUATION AS
CLEARLY SHELTER IN PLACE.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS WITH
HI-EMA.
OBVIOUSLY LEAD AGENT IN THIS
KIND OF ORGANIZATION.
COORDINATED WITH THEM.
ONE OF THE BIGGER QUESTIONS,
AGAIN, THAT CAME OUT FAIRLY
RECENTLY, THERE WAS A CHANGE
TO THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD
HAVE 2 WEEKS SUPPLY.
AGAIN, THAT HAS TO DO WITH
HARBORS AND YOU GUYS ARE THE
EXPERTS ON THAT.
IN A CAUSED QUITE CONCERN ON
SOME OF OUR PARENTS AND
ADMINISTRATORS.
DO WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE TWO
WEEKS SUPPLY.
WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE
PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MAYBE UP
TO 48 HOURS WORTH OF SUPPLIES
OF FOOD AND WATER.
AT THE SCHOOLS.
IF WE DID HAVE TO TRULY DO A
SHELTER IN PLACE, WE WOULD
HAVE THE ABILITY TO LAST THERE
FOR 48 HOURS.
THIS IS AGAIN ALL COORDINATED
WITH HI-EMA AS FAR AS WHAT THE
ANTICIPATION WAS FOR THE
FALLOUT.
>>Daryl: THAT'S A GOOD THING
FOR ANYTHING.
>> IT IS.
WE SHOULD ALL HAVE THAT.
>>Daryl:
>> I THINK ALONG THOSE LINES,
IT'S NICE TO HAVE 14 DAYS
WORTH OF FOOD AND WATER ON
HAND.
BUT I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND, AT ANY ONE TIME,
WE HAVE 13 VESSELS MOVING BACK
AND FORTH BETWEEN THE WEST
COAST OR FAR EAST COMING TO
HONOLULU AS ITS HUB.
AND SHOULD THERE BE ON VERY
EVENT, YOU WILL HAVE AT LEAST
THREE CARGO SHIPS COMING IN
THAT NEED TO BE OFFLOADED.
PRIORITIZE THE CARGO, FIGURE
OUT WHAT'S ON THERE, WHAT
NEEDS TO BE PULLED OUT, WHAT
NEEDS IT STAY ON.
ONE OF THE THINGS THIS WE DID
2016, ALTERNATE PORT EXERCISE
WITH THE COAST GUARD AND
HI-EMA.
>>Daryl: I GUESS WE CAN IN
THIS CONVERSATION, MOVE ON A
LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHAT KIND
OF PLANS ARE IN PLACE.
NOW, ONE THING, IN READING THE
HARA REPORT, I'M SORRY, YEAH,
THE HARA REPORT, THIS WAS A
LOT FOCUS ON THE HARBORS.
I THINK THERE'S PRETTY STRONG
LANGUAGE ABOUT THE HARBORS
AREN'T READY.
WE HAVE PARTICULARLY IF ONE
HARBOR, HONOLULU HARBOR,
HARBORS ARE ALL INUNDATION
ZONES FOR TSUNAMI OR
HURRICANE.
YOU COULD HAVE HARBORS GOT
KNOCKED OUT OF COMMISSION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT.
>> UNTIL WE TESTED THE
ALTERNATE PORT, THEORY BACK
IN 2016, I WOULD GENERALLY
CONCUR WITH THE BROAD BRUSH
STROKES THAT'S REPORT HAD.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE BEEN
WORKING WITH HI-EMA AS AS WELL
AS THE LEGISLATURE UNDER
GOVERNOR IGE.
WE DID SEVERAL THINGS THAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UNDERGOING THE CONSTRUCTION
OF THE KAPALAMA CONTAINER
TERMINAL.
84 ACRES.
BRAND NEW.
TO ACCOMMODATE THE MOVEMENT
OF CARGO.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SAND
ISLAND BRIDGE.
RIGHT NOW, ALL WE'RE OVERSEAS
TERMINAL IS ON SAND ISLAND.
SHOULD THAT BRIDGE EVER GO
OUT, WE'RE STUCK.
WE'RE BUILDING 84-ACRE
TERMINAL.
THE CORRECT SIDE OF THE LAND
SIDE OF SAND ISLAND.
>>Daryl: SAND ISLAND WOULD
ACT AS A PROTECTIVE IF YOU
HAVE A TSUNAMI.
>> RIGHT.
WE'LL HAVE BOTH 135-ACRE
TERMINAL ON SAND ISLAND AS
WELL AS 84-ACRE TERMINAL,
BOTH CAPABLE OF HANDLING
OVERSEAS.
WE HAVE --
>>Daryl: WHEN IS THAT GOING TO
BE?
>> THAT SHOULD BE FINISHED IN
2023.
WE GROUND BREAK AND
CONSTRUCTION STARTS NEXT WEEK
THERE.
THAT'S THE LAND SIDE.
WATER SIDE COMING IN ABOUT A
YEAR.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE
RECOGNIZE VULNERABLES WE HAD
ON RECEIVING JET FUEL.
ONLY CAN RECEIVE JET FUEL
RIGHT NOW AT CERTAIN PIER.
ON SAND ISLAND.
BUILDING SECOND ONE ON
KAPALAMA SIDE.
BUILDING FUEL PIER IN
KALAELOA PROBABLY IN ABOUT
FIVE YEARS.
TO BE ABLE TO NOW MOVE A LOT
MORE FINISHED PRODUCT TO THE
NEIGHBOR ISLAND.
SO WE CAN USE BARGES OUT ON
THAT SIDE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IN
TESTING ALTERNATE PORT
SCENARIO, KILO PIER AND PEARL
HARBOR, RECOGNIZED THAT THE
LACK OF LAY DOWN AREA OR THE
AREA TO STORE CONTAINERS
AFTER WE'RE DONE MADE THAT
VULNERABLE.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE NOW IS
TAKEN A LOOK AT OUR NEAREST
PIERS TO HONOLULU, THE
CHANNEL TO HONOLULU HARBOR,
PIERS FIRST 2.
WE HAVE STICK PRINT.
SINGLE POINT KOREAN RATHER
THAN A GANTRY CRANE.
STILL BE ABLE TO MOVE CARGO.
>>Daryl: TALKING ABOUT PEARL
HARBOR AS AN ALTERNATE?
>> ONE OF THEM.
ORIGINALLY, THAT WAS THE ONLY
ONE.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW DON IS LOOK
AT THREE MULTIPLE PORTS ON
HONOLULU SHOULD ANYTHING
HAPPEN THAT CLOSES OFF THE
KAPALAMA CHANNEL AND THE
CONTAINER TERMINALS.
WE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO BRING
IN CONTAINERS, VIA TUG AND
BARGE OR WHAT WE CALL ROLO,
ROLL ON AND ROLL OFF.
>>Daryl: THAT'S NOW.
.
NOW.
>>Daryl: TALKING ABOUT FIVE
OR SIX YEARS.
IT WE TALK ABOUT NOW,
HURRICANE OR TSUNAMI
TOMORROW, KNOCKS OFF SAND
ISLAND, YOU'RE SAYING THAT
YOU COULD STILL MOVE CARGO
THROUGH HONOLULU HARBOR?
STILL MOVE CARGO THROUGH
HONOLULU HARBOR.
NOT THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL
WAY THAT YOU UNDERSTAND.
RIGHT NOW, WOULDN'T BE USING
CONTAINER SHIPS.
WE WOULD BE USING WHAT WE CALL
OCEAN GOING TUG AND BARGE.
BUT WITH THE TECHNOLOGY
THAT'S CHANGED OVER THE
YEARS, WE CAN PROBABLY MOVE
THE CARGO WITH THE STEVEDORES
AND THE TECHNIQUES THAT THEY
HAVE ALMOST AS FAST AS WE CAN
DO OFF OF A GANTRY CRANE.
>>Daryl: WE'RE SPENDING A LOT
OF TIME TALKING.
TOP OF MIND FOR LOT OF PEOPLE.
WORKING FROM THE A ASSUMPTION
IF WE DON'T HAVE 14 DAYS OF
FOOD IN OUR HOUSE, WE'RE GOING
TO STAR OF.
>> NO.
TO STARVE.
>> NO.
WE HAVE A PLAN, KNOW WHEN
WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN THE
CARGO.
IF WE WERE TO HAVE A
SITUATION, WE WOULD BE
BRINGING TUG AND BARGE AND
WHAT WE CALL ROLO OR CARGO
SHIPS.
TECHNOLOGY CHANGED THAT ALLOW
US TO US DO THIS.
TO DELIVER CARGO AT PIERS 1
AND 2, PEERS 19 AND 20 AND
PIERS 29 IN HONOLULU.
>>Daryl: ALTERNATIVES TO SAND
ISLAND.
>> ALTERNATIVES TO SAND
ISLAND.
WON'T BE THE SAME VOLUME.
WON'T BE BRINGING IN TVS AND
SOFA.
BRINGING IN ESSENTIALS.
>>Daryl: ARE WE HOOKED UP TO
THE WEST COAST FOR THAT KIND
OF SUPPLY CHAIN?
>> WORKING WORKING WITH THE
SHIPPERS.
TELL THEM WHAT PIERS ARE
AVAILABLE, WHAT THE DEPTH OF
THE WATER IS AND THEY WOULD
BRING THE EQUIPMENT.
KILO PIER WOULD STILL BE OPEN
TO OFFLOAD CARGO DESTINED FOR
CENTRAL OAHU.
AND THEN KALAELOA, WE'VE
SITUATED A CRANE FROM KAHULUI
TO KALAELOA FOR THAT VERY
RESILIENCE.
>>Daryl: ALREADY DONE THAT.
LET ME ASK.
GENERAL, I IMAGINE THAT,
AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS
NOT NECESSARILY NUCLEAR
ATTACK BUT POSSIBLY NATURAL
DISASTERS THAT AFFECTS OUR
HARBORS.
WHAT WOULD BE THE MILITARY
ROLE IN A SCENARIO LIKE THAT.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
PEARL HARBOR.
WOULD THE MILITARY ALSO BE
HEMMINGS OUT.
IS THERE A PLAN FOR HOW THAT
WOULD WORK?
>> DEPENDS ON THE DISASTER AND
WHAT THE ASSETS YOU NEED.
SO MILITARY WILL ONLY GET
INVOLVED WHEN CIVILIAN ASSETS
AND ALL OTHER ASSETS ARE
RESOURCES ARE PRETTY MUCH
DEPLETED.
SO FOR THE MOST PARTED, FROM
THE NATIONAL GUARD, WHAT OUR
CORE AREAS ARE GOING TO LOOK
AT IS WHEN A NATURAL DISASTER
OCCURS, TSUNAMI OR HURRICANE,
A LOT OF THOSE DEBRIS
CLEARANCE.
BECAUSE YOU CAN GET THE PORTS
OPEN BUT YOU GOT TO GET STUFF
OFF THE PORTS OUT OF THE
ROADWAY.
A LOT OF OUR SUPPORT IS GOING
TO BE FOCUSED ON STUFF THAT
EXISTING RESOURCES NEED MORE
HELP WITH.
FOR EXAMPLE, SO A LOT OF
D.O.E. IS GOING TO BE WORKING
ON THE PORTS.
NOT NECESSARILY WORK ON THE
PORTS WITH THEM.
BUT GETTING THE LINES OF
COMMUNICATION, ROADWAYS, AND
BARRIERS THAT CONNECT THE
SOCIETY, AND THE AREAS WHERE
THESE ITEMS NEED TO DO.
>>Daryl: ALSO GET INVOLVED IN
THE UTILITY RECONSTRUCTION?
>> AGAIN, GENERATORS.
.
NOT SO MUCH RECONSTRUCTION,
UNLESS CORPS OF ENGINEERS OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, ONLY ASSETS ARE OUT
THERE.
ONLY IF IT'S NEEDED.
SO FIRST, WHEN I GIVE YOU AN
EXAMPLE, SMALLER VERSION,
COMPARTMENTALIZED DOWN IN
PUNA, TROPICAL STORM ISELLE.
ASSETS ALREADY IN PLAY, HOW
MUCH PERSONNEL HECO HAD OUT
THERE, REALLY, WHAT THEY
NEEDED WAS SOMEBODY TO HELP
CLEAR THE ROADS.
SO DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS
AND HILO SIDE.
THEY ALL STARTED CLEARING THE
DEBRIS OFF THE ROADWAYS AND
NATIONAL GUARD WAS ASSIST SO
HECO COULD GET IN AND START
PUTTING UP THOSE UTILITY
POLES AN GETTING ELECTRICITY
BACK AND GETTING TO THE HOMES.
>> THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE
PREPARATION PLAN.
SO IF THERE'S A CATEGORY 4
HURRICANE THAT COMES OUT AND
DEBRIS ON MULTIPLE ROADWAYS,
THERE'S LAYER PLAN IN PLACE
THAT KIND OF PRIORITIZES THE
AREAS THAT CREWS NEED TO HIT
FIRST.
H-1, H-2, H-3, MOST USED AND
HEAVILY BY VOLUME, AMOUNT OF
CARS IN THE ISLAND, BUT ALSO
KNOW THEY CONNECT MILITARY
BASES.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
PRIORITY.
ONCE THOSE CREWS GET IN TO
CLEAR THOSE AREAS FIRST.
GETTING TO THE AIRPORT.
AND THE HARBORS WILL BE NEXT
AS WELL.
THOSE ARE ALL PRIORITY
ROADWAYS.
FOLLOWED DOWN THE LINE BY THE
OTHER AREAS OF THE HIGH
POPULATION AND POPULATED
RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
BUT BY ALL MEAN, THOSE ARE
GOING TO BE THE FIRST AREAS TO
KIND OF CLEAR THE ROADWAYS.
EVEN THE PLAN IS, TO GET THE
ROADWAY OPEN FIRST.
IF THERE'S A LOT OF DEBRIS ON
THE ROADWAY, THEY MAY PUSH IT
OFF TO THE SIDE.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT CLEARING IT
LATER.
RIGHT AWAY, IMMEDIATELY, GET
IT OPEN.
REINFORCEMENT.
>> OUR GOAL WOULD BE WHATEVER
IS BROUGHT IN, WE WANT TO GET
IT AS DEEP INTO THE COMMUNITY
WE CAN SO PEOPLE TRAVEL THE
LEAST.
>>Daryl: YOU ALSO REPRESENT
D.O.T. TONIGHT FOR US FOR THE
AIRPORT.
WHAT THE ARE FINDINGS IN THIS
REPORT WE ONLY HAD I THINK
FIVE DAYS WORTH OF JET FUEL AT
HONOLULU AIRPORT.
I WOULD IMAGINE, IS THAT A
PROBLEM OR IS THERE A SOURCE
OF ADDITIONAL FUEL THAT COULD
COME IN?
>> IT DID SAY FOUR OR FIVE
DAYS.
THAT'S FUEL ON HAND AT THE
AIRPORT.
MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
FUEL CAPACITY AT SAND ISLAND.
ADDS ANOTHER 15 TO 20 DAYS.
MAX CAPACITY.
SAND ISLAND IS FUEL TANKS.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL FUEL
TANKS.
>> ALL ALONG.
EXACTLY.
EXPLAINED THE REASON WHY WE
HAVE THE TWO FUELING AREAS IN
HONOLULU HARBOR, TANKS ARE
RIGHT THERE.
>>Daryl: AS LONG AS THOSE ARE
OPERATING.
>> OPERABLE.
WHEN THEY'RE ALL AT CAPACITY,
IT'S ABOUT 30 DAYS.
THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY EVEN
INCLUDE THE LOCAL REFINERIES
THAT ARE WORKING AND CAN
PRODUCE SUPPLY AS WELL.
WHEN YOU ADD THAT, THERE'S OWN
MORE.
IS THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
THE TANKS AND AIRPORTS,
HARDENED.
WHEN YOU HAD A STORM OF THAT
SIZE, YOU COULD BE FAITH
YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
FUEL, GET THE FUEL AND CROSS,
GET TO THE LAGOON?
>> RIGHT.
EXACTLY.
THAT WOULD BE A PRIORITY AREA
TO GO.
AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT FUEL
CONNECTION IS STILL THERE.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVENT
OF THAT MAGNITUDE, OTHER
THINGS WE DO AS WELL.
PRIORITIZING NONESSENTIAL
FLIGHTS AND THINGS WOULD
PROBABLY BE GROUNDED.
PUT ON HOLD.
YOU KEEP IT FOR THAT ESSENTIAL
FLIGHTS THAT ARE NECESSARY
IN THE EVENT OF A DISASTER.
>>Daryl: IN MOST OF THESE
NATURAL DISASTER SCENARIOS
YOU ALREADY MENTIONED IN
NUCLEAR DISASTER, NOT
THINKING ABOUT 14 DAYS ANY
MORE.
GOING TO GET KIDS OUT OF
SCHOOLS IF YOU CAN.
BUT IN TERMS OF, WHICH
POTENTIAL DISASTERS DO YOU
ANTICIPATE WOULD ACTUALLY
HAVE PEOPLE AT THE SCHOOLS AND
IS THAT ALSO INCLUDE
SHELTERING PEOPLE AT SCHOOLS?
SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
>> WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH
HI-EMA AND THE INDIVIDUAL
COUNTIES.
HURRICANE IS APPROACHING,
DECISION ALSO BE MADE AT EACH
OF COUNTY LEVELS AS TO WHICH
SCHOOLS WE'RE GOING TO OPEN
SHELTERS.
ALREADY HAVE A PREAPPROVED
LIST THAT WE WOULD BE PICKING
THOSE FROM.
ONCE THOSE DECISIONS ARE
MADE, WE COME UP WITH TIME
LINE WHEN WE'RE GOING TO STAND
AT THE SHELTERS AND START
INVITING PEOPLE IN.
THAT'S BASICALLY TO GET THE
BEYOND THE IMPACT OF
HURRICANE.
ONCE THE IMPACT IS HAPPENED,
THEN OUR FOCUS REALLY GOES TO
GETTING THE KIDS BACK IN
SCHOOL AS QUICKLY AS
POSSIBLE.
THAT'S GOING TO HELP OUT ALL
OF SOCIETY, IF YOU WILL, JUST
BECAUSE MOM AND DAD ARE GOING
TO BE BUSY EITHER DOING THEIR
JOB OR TRYING TO GET THEIR
HOUSE BACK TOGETHER.
>>Daryl: ARE THE SCHOOLS ANY
SRTS THIS IMAGE OF PUERTO RICO
IN MY MIND.
HOPEFULLY, LITTLE MORE READY
OR RESILIENT THAN THEY WERE.
BUT WHEN YOU, WOULD SCHOOLS
BECOME HOUSING, FOR EXAMPLE,
FOR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE
WAS A LOT OF HOUSING WIPED
OUT?
>> CERTAINLY COULD.
AGAIN, WORKING THIS TIME MORE
WITH THE CITY & COUNTY ON
PARKS AND REC AND SOME OF
THOSE OTHER FACILITIES.
ALL BE COORDINATED THROUGH
HI-EMA.
WE WOULD LOOK TO POTENTIALLY
MOVE THOSE FOLKS INTO OTHER
FACILITIES SO WE COULD OPEN
THE SCHOOLS.
THAT WOULD BE A COORDINATION
DRILL.
BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY WE
WOULDN'T PICK SOME SCHOOLS
AND SAY, THESE SCHOOLS HAVE TO
REMAIN OPEN AS SHELTERS IF THE
NEED WERE THERE.
>>Daryl: OTHER QUESTION THAT
COMES TO US IS, WHAT ABOUT THE
NEIGHBOR ISLANDS IN THIS
SCENARIO?
TWO QUESTIONS I THINK THERE.
ONE IS, IF THE FLOW OF CARGO
IS SLOWED, ARE YOU ABLE TO GET
CARGO FROM HONOLULU TO THE
NEIGHBOR ISLANDS?
YOU STILL HAVE THE HUB AND
SPOKE THING GOING OR DOES THAT
CHANGE?
2, ARE THERE ALTERNATE MAJOR
HARBORS ON THE NEIGHBOR
ISLANDS IF YOU REALLY HAD A
DISASTER IN HONOLULU.
>> PROBABLY CONTINUE DO TUG
AND BARGE AND CARGO ROLO.
WHAT'S REALLY GOOD FOR US IS
TWO LARGER PART PARTNERS,
PARISH AS WELL AS MATSON.
UNDERGOING A VESSEL
CHANGEOUT.
PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT THAT.
ALOHA CLASS VESSELS COMING
IN.
KAALOA COMING IN WHICH IS CON
ROW AND PASHA COMING IN.
TWO OHANA CLASS VESSELS
THEY'RE PURCHASING.
WHERE WITH THE DEAN ANN AND
MARJORIE C, CURRENTLY IN
OPERATION.
BOTH HAVE RAMPS SO YOU'LL BE
ABLE TO DO THAT.
>>Daryl: CONTAINERSHIPS THAT
HAVE.
>> RAMPS.
>>Daryl: SO YOU DON'T NEED THE
CRANES?
>> NO.
AND THEN MATSON AND SAUSE HAVE
FLAT BARGES THAT THESE ARE THE
ONES THAT EXPLAINING CAN
OPERATE JUST AS FAST AS A
GANTRY CRANE OPERATION.
AND WHERE IT'S MORE WHAT WE
CALL A FAST PASS OPERATION.
THERE'S A FORKLIFT ON THE
BARGE THAT MOVES IT TO A LEDGE
AND THEN FROM THE LAND SIDE,
ANOTHER FORK PICKS IT UP AND
PUTS IT IN THE YARD.
MOVES THAT QUICKLY AS QUICK A
AS I CAN PASS YOU SOMETHING IS
HOW.
>>Daryl: JUST LIKE HONOLULU.
PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT.
PRIORITIZE WHICH CARGO.
NOT DOING CARS AND OTHER
STUFF.
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD
PUT A GANTRY CRANE ON A
NEIGHBOR ISLAND, JUST TO PUT
THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE, WE
HAVE FIVE LINEAR MILES OF
WHARF HERE. WE HAVE
200 ACRES AND 30 BERTHS ON
NEIGHBOR ISLANDS WE HAVE
MAYBE 30 ACRES AND 4 PIERS.
A LOT OF THEM, SAY KAHULUI
HILO, CLOSE TO THE RUNWAY.
>> 80% OF THE
PEOPLE ARE HERE.
>> RIGHT.
GOOD QUESTION FROM A VIEWER.
WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR ALL THE
VISITORS WHO WOULD BE ON
ISLAND DURING A POSSIBLE
ATTACK?
DEVASTATING NATURAL
DISASTER.
DOES THE RESPONSIBILITY FALL
SOLELY ON HOTELS OR DOES THE
STATE HAVE OTHER PLANS?
TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE
IDEA OF EVACUATING GENERAL,
WHAT DO WE DO WITH ALL THE
TOURISTS WHO ARE HERE IF THE
INFRASTRUCTURE CAN'T REALLY
SUPPORT THAT MANY PEOPLE?
>> FIRST OF ALL, HURRICANE, OR
EVEN A TSUNAMI, HOTELS HAD
PLANS TO REALLY LOOK AT EACH
AREA, EACH TYPE OF DISASTER.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A
HURRICANE, WHEN A HURRICANE
PASS, LOOK AT HOW DO YOU GET
MASS TRANSPORTATION AND AND
HOW DO YOU GET THE PEOPLE FROM
THE HOTELS TO POSSIBLE
STAGING AREAS, DESIGNATED.
THERE'S PLANS OUT THERE FOR
THAT TO THE AIRPORT.
AND TO GET THEM OFF OF ISLAND.
IT'S A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
I COULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME
HERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
BOTTOM LINE IS THERE IS A
PLAN, WITH THE HOTELS IN
SEQUENCE WITH THE AIRLINES
TO, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN A
ALLOWS FOR MOVING OF TOURISTS
AT CERTAIN TIMES, CERTAIN
PLACES, TO STAGING AREAS.
FROM THE STAGING AREAS,
CHECKING THEM IN.
AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, WHEN
THE AIRCRAFT COMES, TAKE THEM
TO THE AIRPORT.
WE DON'T WANT THEM ALL GOING
TO THE APRIL.
>>Daryl: COVERED THAT A
COUPLE OF TIME WHEN IS THE
AIRPORT GOT SWAMPED.
WE'VE SEEN HOW COMMON IT IS
FOR PEOPLE TO RUSH TO THE
AIRPORT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE
THAT HAPPENS.
I WAS ON KAUAI FOR NIKKI.
FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED WAS
ALL THE TOURISTS WENT TO THE
AIRPORT.
LINES AT THE AIRPORT THAT'S
WHERE THE PEOPLE END UP BEING
FOR THE DISASTER.
HAVE THEY FIGURED OUT A WAY TO
EITHER PREVENT PEOPLE FROM
DOING THAT OR ARE THE AIRPORTS
READY TO TAKE IN ALL OF THOSE
PEOPLE NOW?
CELL TOWERS ALL WENT OUT.
NOT WATER.
NOT BATHROOMS.
WORKING TOGETHER AT THAT
TIME.
ARE THE AIRPORTS READY FOR THE
KIND OF RUSH AND ANTICIPATING
THIS KIND OF EVACUATION?
>> CERTAINLY.
THEY'RE ALL PLANS IN PLACE.
ONE OF THE THINGS TO KIND OF
MENTION, TO BE FRANK, YES,
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OCEAN
AND THAT IS AN ISSUE, BUT IT
COULD TURN INTO POSITIVE AS
WELL.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
OCEAN AND CRISIS SITUATION,
WE'RE ALL WORK TOGETHER.
SO I'M A PART OF THAT
EMERGENCY WORK GROUP AT THE
AIRPORT FOR EXAMPLE.
WHICH MEETS MONTHLY AND PLANS
FOR DISASTERS.
WE REALIZE, CATASTROPHIC
SITUATION US, SOME OF THE
AIRLINES MAY HAVE A DAY OR TWO
BEFORE THEIR REINFORCEMENT
DOES MANY IN.
THAT'S WHY SOME OF THE.
>> LAR CARRIERS WILL HELP OUT
SOME OF THE SMALLER CARRIERS
VICE VERSA TO HAVE THOSE
RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO
RESPOND IN A SITUATION LIKE
THIS.
IN SOME CASES IT MAY NOT BE
BEST FOR EVERYBODY TO COME TO
THE AIRPORT.
MAY BE BETTER FOR THEM TO STAY
AT THE HOTEL OR WHEREVER THEY
ARE IN THEIR AIRLINE IS BACK
IN SERVICE AND FLIGHTS HAVE
RESTORED AS NORMAL.
DO WE HAVE A WAY TO GET OUT OF
THEM?
YES.
WORD TO PEOPLE, IN THIS DAY
AND AGE, IS HELPFUL HAVING THE
INTERNET, SOCIAL MEDIA, A LOT
OF TIMES, MOST OF THE MAJOR
AIRLINES NOW HAVE A DIRECT WAY
TO CONTACT YOU IF YOU LEAVE
YOUR CELLPHONE NUMBER OR
MOBILE NUMBER.
THEY CAN GIVE YOU A LETTERS
FOR YOUR SPECIFIC FLIGHT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO PAY
ATTENTION TO THOSE.
PEOPLE SHOULD CHECK WITH THE
AIRLINE AS WELL IN ADVANCE
BEFORE HEAD TOGETHER AIRPORT
JUST TO MAKE SURE, JUST TO
AVOID FRUSTRATION EVEN.
IF THEIR FLIGHT IS DELAY AND
ISN'T SCHEDULED FOR ANOTHER
DAY OR SO.
>>Daryl: DO WE KNOW WHETHER
THE AIRPORTS HAVE SPECIFIC
PLANS FOR THAT KIND OF
COMMUNICATION FOR A PLACE
LIKE HAWAII THAT HAS KIND OF
A SPECIFIC ISSUE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH.
DEFINITELY COMMUNICATION IN
PLACE.
THEY ALL HAVE GO BAGS.
ALL HAVE CONTINGENT PLANS.
PLANS IF THE MASSES COME TO
AIRPORTS TO HAVE WATER RUNS
AND GRANOLA BAR RUNS TO HELP
THE PEOPLE AND GET THE
COMMUNICATION OUT TO THEM TO
KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
A LOT OF THE TIME, PEOPLE
MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT PLANE
IS NOT GOING TO TAKE OFF ON
TIME.
FRUSTRATING NOT KNOWING.
DEFINITELY PLAN,
COMMUNICATIONS TALKED ABOUT A
LOT IN THIS EMERGENCY WORKING
GROUP AS WELL, JUST ABOUT HOW
TO GET THAT WORD TO PEOPLE.
>>Daryl: LET ME GO TO ONE MORE
GRAPHIC HERE.
ANOTHER EXCERPT FROM THIS
REPORT.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO TURN
US TO A SECTION OF OUR PROGRAM
THAT'S GOING TO BE DOMINATED
QUESTION BY QUESTIONS.
GETTING A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS
BACK TO NUCLEAR ISSUE.
TO IS, AGAIN, FROM THE HARA
ERROR.
HAWAI'I FACES A DAUNTING TASK
OF BUILDING CAPACITY FOR
RESILIENCE AND PREPAREDNESS
GIVEN OUR CHALLENGES ACROSS
MULTIPLE DOMAINS AND
FUNCTIONS.
PROBLEM IS TO QUICKLY DEVELOP
A BASELINE ASSESSMENT WHERE
WE NEED TO BE AND HOW WE'RE
GOING GET THERE.
THIS REPORT PROVIDES
IMMEDIATE ACTION
REQUIREMENTS IN THE RESPONSE
TO THE JANUARY 13 FALSE
MISSILE ALERT AND REPRESENTS
LONGTERM CONSIDERATIONS FOR
ALL HAZARD PREPAREDNESS
IMPROVEMENT THAT SHOULD BE
ENDURING.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT I AT
LOT OF ABOUT THE ALL HAZARD
PREPAREDNESS IMPROVEMENT.
GETTING A LOT CALLS ABOUT
NUCLEAR PREPARATIONS.
LET ME START WITH YOU ON THIS
ONE.
IF A MISSILE ATTACK WERE TO
HAVE HAPPENED, WOULD WE HAVE
BEEN ABLE TO HANDLE 100,000
CASUALTIES AND CARE FOR
SURVIVORS?
WE HAVE TO SHELTERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HARRY
KIM, MAYOR KIM SAID, WAS THAT
WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE
SET UP THIS ALERT SYSTEM
BEFORE WE HAD THIS KIND OF
PLANNING.
HOW FAR ARE WE BEFORE WE HAVE
PLAIN, TRULY TO HANDLE IT.
>> REPORT ALSO SAYS WE NEED TO
HAVE WHAT THEY CALL A CHEMICAL
BIOLOGICAL RADIO LOGICAL AND
NUCLEAR AN EXAMPLE TO THE ALL
HAZARDS PLAN.
REALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IS
THAT BASICALLY, WHAT THE
CONCERN IS OF THE VIEWER IS WE
NEED TO DEVELOP THAT PLAN.
THAT PLAN FROM MASS TYPE OF
EVENT LIKE THAT.
NOW, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE
EXISTING SYSTEMS IN PLACE,
FIRST RESPONDERS, AND HOW WE
RESPOND THROUGH ALL HAZARDS
INCIDENT.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO
ACTUALLY AT LEAST RESPOND AND
DO SOME MITIGATION WHEN THAT
OCCUR.
NATIONAL GUARD, 93RD CST,
CIVIL SUPPORT TEAM, WEAPON
WAS MASS DESTRUCTION.
THEIR JOB IS TO GO OUT AND DO
SURVEYS TO DETERMINE WHAT
LEVEL EXTENT THE RADIOLOGICAL
CONTAMINATION OCCURRING.
AND COME AND REPORT BACK.
WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE
RESPONSE -- PACKAGE.
HAWAI'I NATIONAL GUARD W
THAT, WE HAVE A MASS
DECONTAMINATION UNE UNIT AND
SEARCH EXTRACTION UNIT THAT
IS ABLE TO GO IN WITH
PROTECTIVE GEAR TO ASSIST
FIRST RESPONDERS, FIRE
DEPARTMENTS, COLLAPSED
STRUCTURES TO GET PEOPLE OUT.
WE HAVE A MEDICAL SECTION TO
ASSIST AS WE DIVERT PEOPLE AS
WE RESCUE THEM.
MEDICAL LANES AND
DECONTAMINATION LANES.
>>Daryl: SHE MENTIONED THIS
CALLER MENTIONS 100,000
CASUALTIES.
I THINK I DID SEE HAWAI'I
ASSOCIATION, OF HEALTH CARE
ASSOCIATION, BASICALLY SAYS,
THE ANSWER TO THAT IS KIND OF
NO.
WE'D HAVE TO GET SOME PEOPLE
WOULD BE LEFT, YOU TRIAGED.
BUT YOU HAVE TO GET A LOT OF
PEOPLE OFF THE ISLAND.
ULTIMATELY.
RIGHT?
>> YES.
>>Daryl: HOW WOULD WE DO THAT?
>> GETTING THE PEOPLE OFF THE
ISLAND?
WELL, AGAIN, LIKE GO BACK TO
WHAT THE I TALKED ABOUT
EARLIER WITH THE MASS
TRANSPORTATION PLAN,.
>>Daryl: ALSO INVOLVES
CIVILIAN AREAS.
>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO SET UP,
MASS TRANSPORTATION PLAN TO
GET PEOPLE OFF ISLAND.
YOU HAVE STAGING AREAS THAT
DESIGNATED, TRANSPORTATION
SYSTEM EXISTING THROUGH THE
BUS SYSTEM.
AND TOURIST SYSTEM.
TO TAKE THE PEOPLE FROM WHERE
THEY ARE, TO THOSE STAGING
AREAS, THEN ENSURE THAT
THEY'RE STAGED, TALKING WITH
THE AIRPORTS TO DETERMINE
WHEN THOSE FLIGHTS COME IN.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE
AVAILABILITY OF TRANSPORT,
EITHER TRANSPORTING THEM OR
THEY MAY HAVE TO WALK, WE
DON'T KNOW.
DEPENDING ON THE DISASTER.
TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING IS
HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE.
THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE P
CASUALTIES IS, YOU KNOW,
BLANKET STATEMENT.
WHEN YOU SAY 100,000
CASUALTIES.
WALKING WOUNDED?
SO THE DYNAMICS WITH THAT,
DIFFICULT TO SAY SPECIFICALLY
WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW,
THERE IS PLANS IN PLACE THAT
IF YOU ARE ABLE TO GET OFF
ISLAND, BECAUSE YOU CAN,
BECAUSE YOU PHYSICALLY ABLE
TO, PLAN IS IN PLACE TO BE
EXECUTED SO THAT PEOPLE ARE
NOT FLOODING THE AIRPORTS.
STAGED.
EITHER THEY'RE AT THE HOTELS
AND HEAR GOING TO THEIR
STAGING AREAS, THEN THEY GO TO
THE AIRPORT.
>>Daryl: OKAY, SO THAT
INCREASED MY UNDERSTANDING.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
WHOLE ISLAND OR AN ISLAND.
DARRELL YOUNG FROM HARBORS.
WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO GET ON
THOSE EMPTY CARGO SHIPS THAT
BROUGHT IN STUFF AND GET OUT?
IS THAT PART OF PLAN?
>> PROBABLY POSSIBLY.
WE LOOKED AT.
>>Daryl: DON'T NEED A LOT OF
PEOPLE WALKING AROUND.
WE'RE A SECURED AREA.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE WHAT
WE CALL TWIG CARS.
>> YEAH.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE TO THINK
ABOUT YEAH, WE CAN GET ON
SHIPS.
REALLY, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE
METHODICAL APPROACH TO
GETTING OFF OF ISLAND.
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT WITH THE
AIRLINES COMING IN AND GOING
OUT.
>>Daryl: ALL OF YOU IN THE
PANEL, A LOT OF THIS DOES
REQUIRE, I THINK BIG PART OF
THE PLAN WAS EXPLAINING TO
PEOPLE WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED
TO DO.
GOT SOME QUESTIONS HERE.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
OTHER NATURAL DISASTERS?
WHAT IS THE NEW PLAN FOR
NUCLEAR THREATS?
WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT'S PLAN
TO CONTROL MASS HYSTERIA?
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE IF
MINUTES WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR
MISS IMPACT.
WHAT DO YOU ADVISE PEOPLE DO
IN 13 MINUTES.
THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS
PEOPLE HAVE EVEN AFTER THE
MASSIVE PUBLIC INFORMATION
CAMPAIGN.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK IN
TERMS OF THE PUBLIC
INFORMATION, TIM IS THE
PUBLIC INFORMATION
PROFESSIONAL HERE.
DOES ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT
EVERYONE IS EXPLAINING HAVE
TO BE EXPLAINED TO PEOPLE IN
ADVANCE SO THEY GET A LEVEL OF
COMFORT?
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
>> ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
12 TO 15 MINUTES IS NOT A LOT
OF TIME TO PREPARE FOR WHAT
COULD BE AN IMPENDING
DISASTER.
PEOPLE OF HAWAI'I SEEM TO KEEP
THEIR COOL VERY WELL IN THIS
EVENT.
THERE WERE NO CASES OF MAJOR
ACCIDENTS IN THE WHOLE TIME
WHEN THE MISSILE ALERT WAS
GOING ON ANY OF THE ROADWAYS.
WHICH IS PHENOMENAL.
THERE WEREN'T.
EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A
INCREASED SENSE OF URGENCY,
PEOPLE DID KEEP THEIR
COMPOSURE.
IF PEOPLE ON THE ROADWAY AND
THEY GET THAT MISSILE ALERT,
THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT THEY
CAN DO.
I MEAN, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, H-3,
ANYBODY ON THERE, 11
11-MILES NOT EXITING.
SOME PEOPLE WANTED TO MAKE A
U-TURN AT THE TUNNEL.
LIFT THE GATE, LET THEM MAKE
A U-TURN.
TURN AROUND UP AT THE TUNNEL.
SOME PEOPLE PULLED OVER SIDE
OF THE HIGHWAY IN THE TUNNEL.
FINE IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS.
WE DO TELL URGE PEOPLE TO MOVE
ALL THE WAY OFF THE ROADWAY OF
THE DON'T BLOCK THE LANES
BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE COULD BE
COMING FROM BEHIND.
AND YOU DON'T WANT TO
OBVIOUSLY CAUSE AN ACCIDENT
TRYING TO AVOID AN INCIDENT.
>>Daryl: I THINK THE REASON
THAT THERE'S CONFUSION IS
PARTLY BECAUSE WE'VE DONE
SUCH A GOOD JOB ON TELLING
PEOPLE WHAT TO DO ON LONG LEAD
INCIDENTS.
HURRICANE, TSUNAMIS, FOR THE
HARBORS, GOING TO MOVE
EVERYBODY OUT.
GO HIGHER GROUND.
ON A SHORT LEAD INCIDENT,
DOING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF
WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT.
SHELTER IF PLACE.
GET INTO HARDENED BUILDING
AND GET THERE AS QUICKLY AS
YOU CAN AND HUNKER DOWN TILL
IT'S OVER.
EXACTLY, WHAT DARRELL IS
SAYING, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING
AT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AS
FOR AS HI-EMA, WE ACTUALLY HAD
OVER 40 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS
WITH VARIOUS COMMUNITIES OUT
THERE.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE
POPULATION, VERY SMALL.
ONLY HAD ABOUT OVER 2,000
PEOPLE PRESENT TOTAL ALMOST
VARIOUS OCCASIONS.
BUT THE TRYING TO GET OUT
WERE, LAKES THAT.
GET FOOD, PROTECT IN PLACE AS
BEST AS POSSIBLE.
PROTECTION IS BETTER THAN
JUST DAY STAYING OUT IN THE
OPEN.
GET INTO ENCLOSED AREA.
GET IN THE MIDDLE.
WAIT UNTIL THAT YOU GET THE
ALL CLEAR OR WAIT UNTIL YOU
GET MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE
THERE'S NOT MUCH CAN YOU DO IN
15 MINUTES.
ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS GET
INTO HARDENED FACILITY IF YOU
CAN.
>>Daryl: GET WINDOWLESS ROOM
INSIDE A HOUSE.
>> BEST CAN YOU DO.
YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND TEN
MINUTES TO GET TO THE BEST
PLACE.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES 30 SECONDS
TO GET TO A SAFE PLACE.
TALKING ABOUT EARLIER,
COMMUNICATION.
WE'VE BEEN AT THIS SINCE,
ALWAYS HAD THE SHELTER IN
PLACE DRILL.
ALWAYS REACTION TO THE
SITUATION.
WASN'T TILL LAST SUMMER
PICTURE STARTED CHANGING.
STARTED INFORMATION CAMPAIGN
IN AUGUST.
SEPTEMBER, AND AGAIN
CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT.
COMPLEX AREA SUPERINTENDENT
AND PRINCIPALS WITH WHAT WERE
THE RIGHT PROCEDURES.
WHAT IS IT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO
BE DOING.
MATTER OF CONTINUALLY GETTING
THAT MESSAGE OUT.
>>Daryl: YOU'RE THE ONE I
THINK MORE THAN ANYONE AT THIS
TABLE, AIR FORCE CAREER,
HANDS ON INVOLVED WITH
DISASTER RESPONSE.
DO YOU FIND THAT PEOPLE KIND
OF GO BLANK AND NEED TO BE
REEDUCATED IN A MOMENT OF THIS
KIND OF TIME?
OR DO THEY REALLY CARRY IN
THIS DRUM BEAT THEY MIGHT HAVE
HEARD FOR YEARS, BUT HOW
DIFFICULT IS IT TO INSTRUCT
PEOPLE ON WHAT TO DO?
>> TO MY EXPERIENCE, GAMUT OF
RESPONSES.
I'VE BEEN TO THIS SINCE
HURRICANE INIKI.
I CAN TELL YOU BUNCH OF
STORIES ABOUT THAT.
AS WELL AS THROUGHOUT MY
CAREER, 2000 PLUS ON THE BIG
ISLAND, HURRICANE ISELLE,
LAVA FLOW, ALL THE WAY
THROUGH.
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE REACT
DIFFERENTLY AND SOME PEOPLE
DO.
THEY KIND OF WAIT FOR SOMEONE
TO TELL THEM SOMETHING
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SURE.
OTHERS, THEY KNOW EXACTLY
WHAT TO DO.
IN FACT, I WENT BACK TO HILO
COUPLE WEEKS BACK AND TALKED
TO ONE OF MY OLD PUBLIC
CO-WORKERS WHEN I USED TO BE
A POLICE OFFICER AND ASKED
THEM WHAT, DO YOU DO.
THEY SAID, LIEUTENANT ON THE
BIG ISLAND, HAWAI'I COUNTY
POLICE DEPARTMENT, SHE SAID,
WE GOT A FAMILY.
WE GOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
HOUSE.
WE SAT DOWN AND WAITED.
AND WE WAITED. AND THEN ALL
OF A SUDDEN, TALKED TO EACH
OTHER.
AND THEN, FOUND OUT IT WAS ALL
CLEAR, OH, GOOD, EVERYTHING
IS OKAY.
BUT THAT'S IDEAL RESPONSE
WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER TYPES OF
RESPONSES OBVIOUSLY.
>>Daryl: RUNNING ACROSS THE
CAMPUS AT U.H..
THROW A COUPLE MORE
QUESTIONS.
>> WE'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT FIVE
OR SIX MINUTES LEFT.
THAT'S HOW FAST TIME GOES.
WILL OUR STATE START BUILDING
SHELTERS ON OUR ISLAND?
WILL THE MILITARY HELP?
I LIVE ON LEEWARD OAHU.
I SHELTER PLANNING INVOLVING
A LOT OF SCHOOL PROPERTIES.
ARE WE GETTING THERE?
NUCLEAR SHELTERS I DON'T
THINK ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.
STRENGTHENING SCHOOLS?
>> WE ARE.
SOME INITIATIVES ALONG THAT
FRONT.
LEGISLATION OUT THERE
ENCOURAGING US TO DO EXACTLY
THAT.
WOKING WITH HI-EMA.
THE REALITY IS AT LEAST AT THE
SCHOOLS, HAVE 256 SCHOOLS.
IN ALL THE COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE A VERY DETAILED LONG
LIST OF SCHOOLS THAT CAN BE
USED TO SHELTER.
THERE ARE HANDFUL THAT CAN'T,
AGAIN, WOODEN STRUCTURES OR
SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES THAT
WE DEEMED WITH THE STRUCTURAL
ENGINEERINGS GOING OUT.
JUST SUITABLE FOR SHELTERS.
BUT I THINK THE GOOD THING IS
WE DO HAVE THEM AND WE DO HAVE
THEM IN ALL THE COMMUNITIES.
AS WE MONITOR HURRICANE IN
PARTICULAR, IT'S APPROACH AND
WORDS GOING TO HIT, WE CAN
OPEN THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT
OF SHELTERS.
>>Daryl: ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES
WAS OUT WITH HIS KIDS LIKE A
SOCCER MATCH.
WHEN THE ALERT CAME.
AND PHONES WEREN'T WORKING.
BUNDLED UP THE KIDS, DROVE.
FIRST PLACE HE DROVE TO WAS A
SCHOOL.
AND HE SAID, IF I CAN'T, IF
IT'S NOT OPEN, I'M GOING TO
BREAK INTO THAT SCHOOL.
BECAUSE THAT WAS THE
STRONGEST BUILDING IN HIS
NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THINK PLAN TO INFORM
COMMUNITIES ABOUT THE
APPROPRIATE USE OF A SCHOOL AS
A SHELTER?
.
YES, I THINK WE'VE BEEN
ACTIVELY DOING THAT.
JUST LIKE HI-EMA, WE'VE BEEN
INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF TOWN
HALL MEETINGS,
COMMUNICATION, INITIATIVES
TO TRY TO GET THE WORD OUT.
SCHOOL ISN'T OPEN, NUCLEAR
ALREADY SITUATION, THERE WILL
MOST LIKELY ISN'T ENOUGH TIME
TO GET THERE TO OPEN THE
SCHOOL.
>>Daryl:
>>Daryl: PEOPLE MIGHT TRY TO
TAKE THAT INTO THEIR OWN
HANDS.
>> WE CAN TALK ABOUT SHELTERS
BEING BUILT.
REALLY, I THINK IT IS MY
PERSONAL OPINION, WE HAVE TO
CHANGE THE PARADIGM OF HOW
PEOPLE THINK ABOUT
PERFECTION.
YOU LOOK AT THE POPULATION ON
OAHU.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH SHELTERS YOU
CAN BUILD TO PROTECT EVERY
SINGLE PERSON.
WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO
LOOK AT TRYING TO HARDEN YOUR
OWN HOME.
IF YOU ARE ABLE TO, I WOULD
RECOMMEND YOU RESEARCH AND IF
YOU HAVE THE FUNDS, TO TRY AND
HARDEN YOUR OWN HOME.
NO BETTER PLACE TO BE
SHELTERED THAN YOUR OWN HOME.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE
OF THINGS LIKE TALKING TO MY
PREPAREDNESS BRANCH OFFICER.
SHE DID RESEARCH ON THIS.
SHE STATED THAT WHEN YOU'RE
LOOKING AT HURRICANE ANDREW,
FOR FLORIDA, WHAT HAPPENED
THERE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER
THAT.
BUILDING CODES CHANGED.
FOR FLORIDA.
THEY HARDENED THEIR
BUILDINGS.
AND SO YOU LOOK AT TODAY.
RIGHT AFTER THE HURRICANE,
THEY JUST HAD, THEY
DISCOVERED THAT ALL THE
BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT TO
CODES THAT THEY INSTITUTED
AFTER HURRICANE ANDREW WERE
STILL STANDING.
THAT'S THE WAY WANT TO BE.
DON'T WANT TO BE RUNNING TO A
SHELTER IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
SO REALLY, WHAT YOU REALLY
WANT TO TRY AND DO IS REALLY
TRY TO SEE IF YOU CAN SHELTER
AT HOME.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
I WAS IN GUAM A COUPLE OF YEARS
AGO.
GUAM IS STRICT BUILDING
CODES.
AND IN FACT, IT SHOWS
COMPANIES HAVE MADE IT CLEAR
TO GO OUT AND HOMEOWNERS THAT
WE'LL NOT ENSURE YOUR HOME
UNLESS YOU HAVE CERTAIN
STRUCTURE.
AND WHILE I WAS IN GUAM, I
NOTICED STRUCTURES.
I ALWAYS WONDERED PRIOR TO
BEING DONE IN GUAM, HOW DO THE
GUAMS STAY RESILIENT?
WHEN I WENT THERE, I REALIZED
WHY.
BECAUSE INFRASTRUCTURE IS
RESILIENT.
HOMES ARE RESILIENT.
IT WAS FLOODING, STORM
PASSING THROUGH.
IF THIS WAS OAHU, A LOT OF
THINGS WOULD BE HAPPENING
RIGHT NOW.
USUALLY HAPPENS, STORM WAS
OVER THE NEXT DAY, BUSINESS AS
USUAL.
BUSINESS AS USUAL.
THE HOMES OVER THERE ARE
STUDY.
THE UTILITY POLES ARE STURDY.
>>Daryl: THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER
ISSUE ABOUT THE UTILITIES
SIDE.
HAVE YOU FOLKS AND TIM, YOU
CAN PITCH ON THIS WHEN IT
COMES TO AIRPORTS AND OTHER
TRANSPORTATION FACILITY.
ARE WE HARDENED UP TO A
CERTAIN DEGREE AGAINST A
HURRICANE OF A CERTAIN -- HOW
BEING A HURRICANE COULD
HONOLULU HARBOR HANDLE
WITHOUT CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE?
>> RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE CERTAIN
AREAS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO
FIX WE HAVE OLDER PIERS.
ACTUALLY, UNDERGOING A
HONOLULU HARBOR MASTER PLAN
UPDATE.
WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY AREAS
LIKE THE PIERS I MENTIONED
EARLIER, THAT THERE'S GOING
TO BE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE
HARDEN.
JUST FOR THE PRIMARY PURPOSE
OF MAKING SURE WE CAN LAND TUG
AND BARGE AND ROLO OPERATION.
WHAT CAN WE WITHSTAND RIGHT
NOW?
NOT REALLY CERTAIN BECAUSE WE
HAVEN'T BEEN TESTED.
>>Daryl: BIG CRANES.
>> YEAH.
>>Daryl: DO WE KNOW WHAT
THEY'RE RATED FOR?
I THINK THEY'RE RATED FOR
CATEGORY 4.
>>Daryl: 110, 115.
>> WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, D
RINGS THAT YOU PUT IN.
HOOK INTO THE WHEEL AND LOCK
THEM IN.
THE THING ABOUT IT COMING, AT
LEAST THAT LONG LEAD DISASTER
WHERE YOU HAVE TIME TO
PREPARE.
HEAVY EQUIPMENT, YOU MIGHT
NEED CLEAR THE RUNWAY, AREA
WHERE THE GOING TO BE
PROTECTED START TYING DOWN
SECURING ANY EQUIPMENT OR
THINGS OUTSIDE, IF IT IS A
HIGH WIND EVENT, NOT GOING TO
GET AIRBORNE AND PROJECTILE.
BUILDINGS ARE STRONG.
ROOFS MIGHT COME APART IN
CATEGORY 4.
PREPARATIONS ARE TAKING IN
ADVANCE HARBORS AN
CONSTRUCTION SITE.
WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS TO
DO THE SAME THING, THINGS ARE
TIED DOWN, DRAINS ARE CLEAR.
TO PREVENT FLOODING.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE
CAPABLE OF BEING DONE IN
ADVANCE ARE BEING DONE IN
ADVANCE.
>> PICTURING PRINCIPAL OF A
SCHOOL WHOSE FACING THIS AND
YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO THIS
PREPARATION SO THE SCHOOL CAN
OPEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
KIDS ARE AT HOME
THEORETICALLY LONGTERM
EMERGENCY.
DO THE SCHOOLS INDIVIDUALLY
HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR KINDS
OF THINGS AS DESCRIBING WHERE
TO STRENGTHEN, CLEAR DRAINS,
MAKE SURE YOUR WATER SUPPLIES
ARE READY, WATER SUPPLIES
ARE READY.
>> CAN ALWAYS BE RESOURCED
MORE.
WE DO THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT
OF RESOURCES TO DO MANY SOME
OF THE BASIC THINGS.
IT'S THE TYING THINGS DOWN.
SECURING THINGS.
CLEARING THE DRAINS.
IT WOULD TAKE A GROUP EFFORT,
CUSTODIANS ALONG THE WITH
ADMINISTRATORS ARE MORE THAN
CAPABLE.
>>Daryl: IS THAT PART OF THE
PLAN?
>> IT IS.
PREPARE SCHOOLS IN ADVANCE.
>> ALL PART OF OUR EDUCATION
AND AGAIN, PART OF WHO WE TALK
ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS AND
OPENING SHELTERS.
>>Daryl: GENERAL DOWN TO THE
LAST 30 SECONDS.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THE PUBLIC
TO KNOW?
>> GO BACK TO SHELTERS.
EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT
SHELTERS.
ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS
ASKED.
WITH WHERE DO I GO?
I WOULD SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO
TRY TO DO IS REALLY TRY TO SEE
IF YOU CAN HARDEN YOUR HOME
AREA.
HARDEN YOUR HOME.
TAKE PROTECT YOUR FAMILY.
BETTER TO SHELTER AT HOME THAN
TO GO TO A SHELTER.
>>Daryl: ALL OF YOU, I HAVE TO
SAY THANK YOU.
USUALLY I HAVE TIME TO SAY
THANK YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
WE DON'T.
WE DECIDED TO LET THINGS GO
LONGER.
REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK OUR AUDIENCE.
INSIGHTS FOR THIS WEEK.
NEXT WEEK, WE'LL BE TALKING
ABOUT THE WORKING POOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
EVERYBODY.
GOOD NIGHT.
