Hey this is Ben and Rob and today we're
gonna be talking with Nick Pope.
Ben and I are gonna be going to contact in the desert
in June, it's early June
Yeah, yeah.
We're actually really excited about that
So Nick's gonna be one of the guest speakers there
who was in the Ministry
of Defense in the UK
and he's been one of the main reporters for investigating UFO kind of activity
and we have him on the line right now
 so we're really excited to talk to Nick
Welcome to the show Nick!
Thanks! It's great to be
on
So, um let's start with the Contact in the 
Desert like tell us, tell us a little bit
what you're gonna be doing and you know, how excited you are
and what you're going to be talking about then we can start jumping into more detailed stuff
well I'm very excited to be coming back to contact in the desert. It's not just a conference
it's really an experience and there's a kind of whole
family of people in this community
they're exchanging information, swapping
ideas, speculating, having fun,
and I'm going to be giving two presentations,
basically,
a lecture talking about extraterrestrial technology
and a really speculative workshop getting into the
whole question, very controversial, aliens
and religion
so let's go right into the alien technology part.
well what do you
think would happen if humans got this kind of technology from aliens?
what do
you think this kind of technology could actually be?
And maybe, is it possible
that we already have this kind of technology?
I think to boil a phrase it
would be the best of times and the worst of times
and that the positives here are
that if we could acquire
extraterrestrial technology
the sky's the limit we-
all sorts of speculation about what that might entail
unlimited cheap clean maybe free energy and of course propulsion system
eventually life on Earth will become impossible to sustain
because of the the
Sun heating up and expanding
if the human adventure isn't to both begin and
end here
ultimately we will need to travel to the stars and we're gonna need the technology to do that
so the question becomes is there alien
technology out there that might help us do this
now this is a very very
speculative presentation
we don't know for sure that there are even aliens out
there I'm not one of those people,
despite having worked for the government,
that thinks we've got spaceships hidden away in hangars somewhere
but you know
it's fascinating to speculate about that
and at contact in the desert I know
there are a whole bunch of
my fellow speakers and attendees who are a little bit more conspiratorial about this
and who probably think- probably think I
know all about it anyway and I'm
just part of the coverup
you must have seen
a lot of weird footage of UFOs
unidentified flying objects all across
Britain, a lot of different reports.
can you tell us what the weirdest thing you
saw was
well we had an absolute archive of photos and videos
I think the
strangest thing was when I started that job
there was a huge enlargement of a
photograph on the office wall opposite
where I sat and it was a huge diamond
shaped silver craft
and this was something that my predecessor had dealt
with
and it was almost literally like the poster on Fox Mulder's wall in the
x-files
it didn't have I want to believe written on it
but it- it pretty much
might have done
and and this was apparently looked at by intelligence
specialists
and they said we have no idea what it is
it's not an aircraft it's not
a drone it's unknown and it was massive
and this was a picture taken in Scotland
in August in poor daylight
kind of going back to the this whole initiative with Tom DeLonge
and and the Pentagon's secret UFO program
do you think this is kind of a precursor for possible future releases
or do you think things are
gonna get bigger this year
or more things going to come out or
what's your take on it
this is a huge story I mean there's no getting away from the fact that this has pushed
the whole UFO phenomenon out of the fringe into the mainstream
as I say you know the New York Times, The Washington Post hardly
ever touched this subject and now it's it's not only all over the Times and the Post
but NBC ABC CNN Fox it's it's everywhere
and it's not even a
political issue so it really is right
across the mainstream media in a way
that I've not seen before and I think
it's only going to get bigger and bigger
now every time there's a UFO story
for example recently just this last week
we've seen a pilot sighting involving two separate aircraft in Arizona
and in the old days these sorts of stories if they were covered at all
they would've been covered with sort of a mocking tone
but now it's all deadly
serious
suddenly it's on the mainstream news and people are talking quite openly about the pilots
discussing this with air traffic control
what do the FAA have to say
so we have seen this fundamental
rebranding of this subject
and absolutely going back to your question
there is more to come
now whether this is the holy grail of ufology
that disclosure with a big D that people in the UFO and conspiracy community talk about
I'm not so sure I think what it is is disclosure with the little D
The British government, a little closer to home for me personally,
is in the final stages of a program to declassify and release their entire archive of UFO files
we in the UK have released nearly 60,000 pages of documentation on this
so there's a lot out there and there's more to come
related to kind of technology we've been studying a lot about quantum computers
and I was just curious if you have any understanding
like what's kind of going on with the quantum computers
the whole issue of quantum computing is
absolutely bizarre
I think you'd need- you'd need some really good
understanding of theoretical physics
to truly understand what they're trying to
do or or explain it
I think the way that I sometimes characterize it is to say
that
traditionally computer memory and processing power
I think we're all
familiar with bits and the idea of binary information
that can be either
effectively ones or zeros
but in the bizarre and spooky world of quantum mechanics, quantum physics
something can be in a number of different states
simultaneously
so all the old limits on speed and processing power
if this can be engineered
go out of the window
well I don't pretend to
understand the ins and outs of it but
what I do know is that progress is
taking place at a staggering pace and a
lot of good information out there on the
Internet
a lot of bad information on the Internet too
but if you go to some of the
scientific and academic papers that have
been published on this
and it really is one of those cases where what sounds
like science fiction may well turn out to be science fact
yeah it's really interesting. So Geordi Rose
he was the creator of the d-wave
that Google is using
he was kind of vague the way he was kind of putting it
but basically that these are running on like almost like a parallel universe
on this quantum level
they're talking about parallel universes as if it's already an accepted concept right
like an- we've been researching
this for a little while and it's-
as you said it's just very bizarre to us even
more than that
just how the quantum computers will be able to adjust
themselves and upgrade themselves
well this absolutely gets into the wider
debate about artificial intelligence and
of course we know the warnings that
people like Elon Musk have sounded about that
but yes you'll have arguably computers which will go beyond their own programmers
and that raises almost
philosophical questions about consciousness
and at what point does
something become self-aware and I know
we are now seguing into a
discussion of Terminator and Skynet probably but
but those questions are out
there and they're being asked
and the fascinating thing when you listen to some of the people working on this
as they say that when the original
computers were developed
they had in mind a very narrow range of tasks for
them
and when you look at the modern world,
what we're dealing with is a situation where the designers of these original computers
did not foresee the things that we now use computers for
so when you think
about quantum computers and what might this lead to
the smart answer well the
really smart answer is nobody knows
but probably something we haven't thought of yet
That's a really good answer.
I guess one final question here what motivates
you to keep you going
you know what's kind of and I guess another way of asking is
what's more of like your personal philosophy on life
how do you look at life
well I think that all of this is a journey and it's a
journey of discovery
and it's a journey where I think the human experiences that we want to expand and grow and learn
and we want to climb a mountain not just to get at the top but to see what's on the other side of it
and I think that's part
of what it is to be human and I think that the quest for knowledge
about this
is is what keeps me personally going and
after all questions such as "are we alone
or not in the universe" and
"are we being visited"
those are some of the biggest
and most profound questions we can ask ourselves
why wouldn't we want to try and find out answers
I know I do and that's what keeps me involved in all this
same thing with us too that's why we're doing the show
to find the answers
well so you're gonna be at the conference right
oh yeah
yes I will be at contact in the desert June 1st through to June 4th
at Indian Wells at the Renaissance spa and resort
fantastic environment, beautiful surroundings, interesting people
this is going to be fascinating
and it's going to be fun
I will certainly look forward to meeting a
whole bunch of old friends and some new ones there
so go to contactinthedesert.com for more information
I hope you don't mind if a couple of
bums come up to you and say hello
I will look forward to seeing you in person and
by the way for anyone wanting more information about my own work on this
and specifically my government research and investigation
nickpope.net is my
website and that also has my Facebook and Twitter
Nick thanks so much for
joining us we really appreciate your time
and it's been really interesting
hearing all of your all of your
explanations for these things yeah
thanks so much Nick
that's great
it was really good chatting to you
and I look forward to meeting you in person at contact in the desert
