Welcome to another episode of We Don't
Die I'm your host Sandra Champlain
author of the best-selling book called
We Don't Die A Skeptic’s Discovery of
Life After death and today is really a
fun day for me because I get to
interview the interviewer Kathy Beltran
hosts her own YouTube show called sacred
dance with trance her show helps us
learn more about trance and physical
mediumship and she's interviewed some
extraordinary people she also has a
Facebook group called sacred dance with
trance a place where we share our
journeys unfoldment and experience with
trance mediumship trance healing trance
philosophy and trance inspiration and
even physical mediumship and beyond that
she has two subgroups for members where
we can share home circle audio and video
files as well as another group to join
or create in person and online trance
and physical circles and I think you'll
love Kathy as much as I do
so Kathy Beltran welcome to we don't die
radio oh my goodness thank you so much
Sandra for having me on with you today
thank you you're welcome I love your
laugh at the beginning you never know
what I'm gonna say on these shows I know
so a little bit about you I know we're
friends I know that you have a great
YouTube channel now but how did it all
begin
obviously your interests in trance and
physical mediumship had to start
somewhere and you know and even your
interest in mediumship so tell us a
little bit about you if you would okay
well I actually didn't come into this
until later in life I kind of grew up
hearing a bunch of ghost stories from my
mother her family who lived in the
Philippines at the time and I was having
my own experiences and I didn't have
that knowledge or support or
understanding what was happening with me
especially for my family they just
thought that we just had a lot of ghosts
around I'm sorry I had a lot of fear
with that and I tried to block
things from an early age what end up
happening was eventually I got on to a
spiritual path and you know learned as
much as I could about every imaginable
subject
I'm definitely mediumship which was kind
of funny because it had such a fear of
it but for some reason I was still drawn
to it I end up deciding to try
meditating and so with that I knew that
at some point in my life or another life
and this is gonna be you know kind of
different but I knew that I had
meditated before so maybe upon my third
time meditating I experienced a
Kundalini awakening and from that
experience and my documenting of what
happened to me during that time and two
hours after it all my clearer senses
that were actually opened got opened
even further and I had a harder time
blocking spirit and I was absolutely not
ready to embrace that to me it wasn't
something beautiful I was very very
frightened
so with that fear spirit ended up
working with me through my dreams and I
kind of became like a psychic dreamer so
I would go to sleep every night and have
a notebook and pen under my pillow and
would wake up I don't even how many
times made three four or five times in
the night and either write information
down with my eyes open or closed I would
read this information and it would come
through the next morning as I read it
would be guidance for me my family my
friends neighbors psychic global stuff
um but they also showed me a succession
of dreams about my greatest fear of them
and you know the first one started yet
and this was through you know ten years
time on the first one being very afraid
running screaming being in a haunted
house into the final dream showing me
that you know you know spirits
materializing around me and me finally
approaching them and communicating so I
knew having this dream that there were
showing me that this would come to pass
because a lot of the dreams that I have
in all the books and many many journals
after eleven years things were still
coming true to this day so I knew that
would happen so I think I was probably
it was actually only a few years ago
still afraid still afraid not it's you
know completely blocking everything as
far as mediumship goes I get stationed
my husband's in the military so we get
stationed in Virginia and I knew there
is a lot of history in Virginia and so
moving into this house that I'm
currently living in there was a lot of
activity and it took my daughter and her
or my grandkids coming to stay with me
for the summer and them experiencing
things that I had to face it I couldn't
because they were so afraid and it was
so amazing because I finally
acknowledged them finally started
talking and started feeling all these
things and so that journey that that
experience actually led me further on to
you know finding groups on Facebook
finding teachers beautiful friends
taking a course and this course actually
helped me understand the mental
mediumship part and I'm still learning
to this day with that but in the dreams
also they showed me that I would also do
the trance and that would be another
part of my journey so I knew that would
come in but I had to go down the road of
mental mediumship first and then go
into the trance can I just ask you I
mean first of all I had never heard a
story that like the things get like I
know we can have dreams and sometimes
our loved ones comes for dreams and
maybe some premonitions and stuff but
that you were able to go on this journey
and actually kind of live through your
fears in the dream world and then see
what's happening you know at the end but
the question I wanted to ask you was the
house when you were younger and even
your current house I don't we don't talk
too much about ghosts and things like
that but did you feel like there were
ghosts well you know what I didn't
know what it was I
didn't often see them I could feel them
or hear them and with my non
understanding back then it was ghost
that was it
now I realize it's not that you know or
something else but you know that I mean
we could go down different areas with
that alone um but I realized that I
think for me to have those experiences
it was trying they were trying to wake
me up that's what I felt
yeah and people saying we're here listen
to us yeah around you knock knock knock
yeah away hello Kathy so how did you get
involved with mediumship cuz that's a
pretty big thing to say okay what's this
how do I do this
oh yes so that's the whole thing is I
had to find a group Facebook group and
then I started to connect with people in
that group learning I was still not sure
what I was doing and I decided to take a
course and it was a certification course
but it wasn't to be certified I needed
structure I need a discipline because I
definitely have a DD so I needed that
weekly you know class and what to focus
on and it actually was the perfect thing
for me because I realized for all those
years that I was blocking spirit or
feeling or having them come through
every so often
um that I could finally understand how
to communicate and to learn that
beautiful language of spirit and you
know again I'm 50 and you're never too
old to start learning or you're learning
meanings you're trans or physical
mediumship um it's your attention that's
what it is and if if you're all in and
you're ready for it
and you interview open those doors
instead of closing them with your fear
then to me with when I finally did it
it came so quickly so easy but again
it's going to be a lifelong journey of
learning that so that's what I'm doing
still to this day I like it and I said
to the listeners sometimes I think often
I don't use it in this terminology but
kind of beware because
once we opened the door crack the door
open into this world of spirituality I
think like I just said to Kathy knock
knock knock we're here you know not
everybody's meant to be a medium but
there's a reason you're interested in
these conversations yeah and so don't be
surprised if somewhere along the journey
maybe one of the guests or a book you
pick up or of course you do really but
you know create some passion within you
that oh I got to find out more about
this because I have this belief that the
spirit world wants to get in touch with
us as much as we want to get in touch
with them and those that are open you
might get some help from the invisible
side and really be let on your life's
purpose or something that will give you
life oh yes I totally agree with you
with that completely yeah so did you
become a medium that you actually worked
with people or just take courses to know
that well I took courses and I took a
couple courses and I still do practice
readings I'm still doing that you know I
I have people sit for me and just
continue to practice because you know I
used to go to a medium or psyche really
a psychic once a year and usually why I
did that was to validate what I was
experience or understanding and so what
I have come to believe is that if I'm
going to go to a medium I would want
that medium to be as clear of a channel
as possible not somebody that's ready to
rush out and get their business license
and you know do that type of thing but
surely be clear for for spirit and so
that's what I'm doing so I'm still when
I'm guided when I feel that guidance to
you know go professional or put myself
out there that way I'll do it but right
now I am like you know like I said the
mental mediumship and now I'm going down
to the trance because I knew I had to go
into this direction yeah my dad was an
airline pilot and I always remember
thinking would I'd rather have someone
older later in their years who's been in
that cockpit for 40 years fly my
airplane or the
kid that's just fresh out of the
simulator you know yeah yeah so with any
field go with someone that's got some
experience but let's now talk about
trance a little bit because we've talked
about a number of times here in the show
and I took a course at Arthur Findlay
college and you've been there too
haven't you no I have not haven't
yes not yet but it's amazing the world
called trance mediumship or and the UK
trance the Americans say trance but how
how and what and what's your experience
with that how did you get involved well
um I actually took a couple courses
actually a few courses and by that time
I was asked to admin for another
Facebook group I hadn't opened my group
yet and I knew that I had limited
knowledge and understanding of trance
and physical mediumship and so I knew
that if I was going to admin for a group
that I had to be there to help people
and how I could do that what would be to
share information books people groups
anything like that
and what I found out was you know in
this group that I was starting with the
members themselves are like three people
that join that group and they were so
passionate they were helping the new
members you know I think that group at
that time was like a thousand members
they were helping it was like the
helpers coming more from the members
than the people that were owning or
admitting the group and so that's when I
decided to open my group and I had
decided that you know I wasn't there to
sell anything to anybody I wasn't going
to be offering trance forces but I felt
guided by spirit to create a place where
people could come together and have all
these sources of information in one
place because what I found as I was
jump from this group or this website and
you know if I did know people like you
know say Scott Milligan or Joe Bradley
or all these different people that are
really passionate about
this area I it would take me time to
find out that stuff so that's why I
created the group you know I did get
that gentle you know whenever I feel
inspiration from spirit come close to me
I have to listen and so I didn't know
what I was exactly going to do with the
group but I quickly opened it named it
and left it there for about a month and
that's when as I was admitting in this
other group that's when that inspiration
to do the interviews came in and again
opening my group I wanted it to be a
place of free sharing of all members
coming together to help each other and
so I feel like now that's what it's
really become can I ask you Kathy about
your own personal trance Turney
yes far as have you done inspirational
writing have have you spoken or have
people spoken throughout or you know
what was it like well this is
interesting is because I will always say
you know I've only been involved in the
mental mediumship I would say you know
actually actively consciously doing that
for maybe two years and so with the
dreams I knew that I would go into the
trance I received that guidance that
this is something that I would do and
that writing would come into play which
is yet still not have come to pass but I
know that's coming so what I'm doing
right now is where I'm living you know
my husband's in the military so we're in
a temporary location I decided to try an
online circle so I created a circle and
we meet like once a week online and um
at this point are we experiencing we are
I would say I'm definitely not having
anybody seek speak through me I've only
been doing this maybe 7 months but the
blending all these things that are
happening that you know as a group that
the Harmony within the group I mean
we've experienced so many different
things a shake-up of members um it's
just an interesting journey but it's a
beautiful journey and the thing that I
wanted to emphasize here is that the
other reason why
started the group was because people
thought that they could take a course
and you know and call themselves a trans
medium after this course they didn't
realize that this would be something
that would take time and potentially
years to develop so with my own circle I
would say that we're still just
beginning and we have absolutely no
expectation but are coming together with
love and harmony and with the intention
of serving spirit in whatever way they
can use us so at this time we're still
waiting to see but we're super excited
to sit every week and blend with them
and be of service so that's where I'm at
right now so exciting I remember I had
taken a my first course at Arthur
Findlay college on mediumship and you
could do some of these breakout courses
in the evening and I checked off the box
that I'd like to be part of the trance
mediumship group and what came back is
no you cannot you know you know your
inner medium trance is advanced and I'm
so frustrated and then low and behold
two years ago Tony Stockwell who's just
a brilliant media in every way he
offered a course in trance mediumship
and it was a weekend I was free as I
travel a lot but I was free and I wrote
like I'm a beginner can I come and the
response I thought was yes Wow so in
five days that we spent most of the time
with our eyes closed learning how to
quiet our mind and have the intention
and blend with the spirit world lo and
behold on this one time my eyes were
closed or two ladies in front of me
looking at me which you know no pressure
there and I didn't have to say anything
but I got the feeling that somebody
actually kind of stepped in to my energy
nobody takes you over so if anybody's
listening thinking you know you're gonna
be oh yeah take it over no they just
want to blend energies but I felt like I
was looking at a different set of hands
on my lap even though my eyes were
closed
I had these old shoes so it had a long
dress on
and then my eye filled with air and he
he would say and even Arthur Findlay
Trent says the teachers say you just
start the speaking you know a spirit
wants to tell you and even if you think
it's yourself talking that's okay for
practice but I just said okay spirit
wants to tell you and then all of a
sudden like words just kept coming out
and about you know making the most of
our life and our life is short and all
this but I felt like my personality
changed everything I'm like what the
heck was that and talk about a first
experience yes
oh but it hooked me it hooker me oh yes
yes
and it's and if anybody's interested in
that and I have not had Tony Stockwell
on as a guest and you need to interview
him as well if we can get to him but
he's got a great CD on amazon about
transmission and any of us can sit and
listen to it and practice that's good
stuff on that CD is amazing of his and I
actually that was one of the first ones
that I used but if even within our
circle now we are experiencing what
you're describing we just haven't had
the communication calm yes
so that blending and that feeling of you
know different hands that's definitely
the experience so yeah I can totally
relate to that and it's a lifelong thing
this is not you know I'm somebody who
wants things yesterday like oh I've just
started I should be the best no it's
developing a relationship developing a
relationship well I really commend you
what for what you're doing and often I
talk to people about starting these home
circles and people gathering you know
all that and I'm thinking gosh I wish we
could do it on the Internet you know and
it's just the fact that you're going for
it because Energy's energy even if
you're not personally together I mean
there might be something to gain by that
but in this time of technology you're
sitting together online and how do you
do it are you on the phone are you in
like a Zumba looper well yes I use zoom
for that and everybody gets into you
know their own space and we try to make
sure that we're not going to be
disturbed their lighting is good
so what we normally do when we first
start is you know we talk and kind of
lift the energy up we will do maybe a
group sitting sitting in the power and
then from there sometimes we've
experimented with singing to raise the
energy and you crack up when you sing
are you laughing yes cuz I can't sing
and if I was sitting there oh my god yes
I can't sing either but I'll dude and
I'm laughing but that's the energy
that's the best energy laugh get the
best energy for all this yes and so from
there now we're doing where we'll pick
two members a week there's only four of
us now and we'll support each other like
one week will be these two sitters that
we will sit for you know taking turns
and so that's what we're doing and it's
really an experiment really and what
I've noticed is that anytime I sit or
even sit in the power that it's no two
is are alike it's like you know that
expectation thinking that if you had
this really great sitting one day or you
felt much more than you felt the day
before the the weekend before the next
time nothing would happen yet something
else could happen so it's just having
that no tax no expectation but
definitely excited you know what what is
sitting in the power I mean I know what
it is but somebody could be this is
their first episode they're gonna watch
what did that girl say what does that
and you know what that's an interesting
thing because I would have normally
called it meditation and so there's all
these different terms and that's another
thing we're doing in the group is
clarifying terms from different parts of
the world but sitting in the power this
is my understanding of it when I sit in
the power you know I get into a calm
place and it's the intention of what
you're doing and so when I sit in power
it's like to build energy or to build
and blend with your team your guide you
can go in starting out feeling your own
energy to me that's important because
you know your energy before you invite
the spirit world in because then you're
gonna know
that difference but there's so many
different types of sitting in the power
there's like Glenn Oh Glenn Edwards
double CD which is awesome and that's
like an automatic download you can
totally get that
there's so many members some of the
members I think there's Chris Connelly
who I've interviewed has his own on his
YouTube channel which is a wonderful one
because that one allows you to
experience your own energy that of
nature next and I believe the power of
the spirit world and then maybe the
universe and then God you know it just
keeps going and bringing you back so you
can feel that different vibration that
different energy that's coming in but
it's such a sacred process to me when I
go sit and with trans and or physical
mediumship or developing for that to me
that's such an important thing to do is
sit in the power sit and blend with the
spirit world or your team and doing that
daily if you can if you can't get into a
circle if you're not yet guided to a
online circle or a in-person circle and
you want to develop sit in the power
that's it learn everything you can go
Google that go to YouTube try different
you know peoples recordings yeah yeah do
that I'll include or I have by the time
this is aired in the description of this
episode the Glen Edwards and Chris
Connelly links and then also a link to
your Facebook group into your YouTube
channel just to make it easier for
people okay perfect thank you makes it
easy but I think great now let's talk
about your YouTube channel because I was
so happy to see and now everybody
listening you're only listening you
don't see me and I laugh because 99% of
the time I'm in my pajamas when I record
these that's why you don't see these
sometimes I get dressed no I'm kidding
not a hundred percent kidding but
kidding a little you you actually get to
see you interacting with the guests and
I love that I love that so tell us a
little bit about your show okay so what
I do is interview trance or physical
mediums some are public some are
developing at different stages what I am
finding with members that are learning
more about trance or physical mediumship
and who want develop to develop
themselves hearing from different people
at different stages in their development
they can relate to it so if somebody
that I've interviewed that's only been
sitting for a year and finally after
that year they had that person coming
through speaking to them I mean it
really makes you think wow I can
possibly do this and then talking with
guests that that are or that have been
doing it for 30 40 years that's
something and the things that they are
experienced on working with you know
physical mediumship that would be like
oh I'm definitely gonna be that maybe in
twenty thirty years you know but it's
those different interviews people
sharing their story how they got into
trance all the experiences they had the
fun ones you know the there they weren't
sure of what to do so they sat so they
share all of their development and then
at the end offer such beautiful advice
what they have found helpful in their
own development to give to the members
and so these same members are actually
in my facebook group going on answering
questions so that's why I say with that
group it's such a group endeavor it's
not just one person's everybody coming
together but the interviews are like the
biggest thing for the group and they're
great I'm so proud of you angle level of
conversations you have and I want to
just let our listener know - you don't
have to be a medium to start sitting no
just have to be a human being who is
really a soul having a human experience
there are some stories of trance mediums
and physical mediums that things
happened very soon and there are things
that happened over 20 years it doesn't
matter how old you are it is a kind of a
one-on-one relationship you're
developing with your own soul and with
the spirit world yes and I had this
thing that came to me while I was
meditating the
day and I don't know if somebody was
talking to me or this is my own
subconscious but you know how your
mother would say it's rude to speak when
somebody else is speaking yes you can't
talk and listen at the same time well
there I was trying to quiet my mind and
my mind was non-stop chatter and all of
a sudden that I heard Sandra you can't
talk and listen at the same time so I
was I think I'm being rude to the spirit
world let me just now think of that you
know I can't listen to what you're
saying if I'm talking so that was just a
cute little tool that I used or I've
been using every time my mind chatter
comes in that we need to still our mind
and every one of us can just start
sitting yes and that's see that's the
important thing is that you know some of
them yes that I've interviewed they
didn't start out with mental mediumship
so that's a beautiful part is that you
can sit and you know some members have
experienced things quickly and that's
what I wanted to show I wanted to show
what different people were experiencing
and so that you didn't have think that
you had to you know that this was gonna
take 40 years it could it might not you
could have it happen quickly um so but
you won't know until you sit and that's
the beautiful part just sit just sit and
it feels good and what happens is when
you start feeling energy around you and
maybe you get the goosebumps or maybe
you feel just some love coming in it's
just a feeling that I'm not alone here
now you may feel we are but we're not we
have we're surrounded by loved ones
cheering us on I think yes and that's a
beautiful part i mean i'm clairsentience
so that feeling is intense for me but
it's so beautiful blending and feeling
the love of the spirit world coming
close to you I just can't get enough
with the sitting in the power I actually
sit every day and it's because it's like
it's just beautiful for me I can never
say enough about it it's beautiful yeah
I have this other image come into my
mind because I've got my cell phone
right next to me and if we don't plug in
our cell phone what happened
yes okay it was Italy yeah low power I
know and and I feel like sitting in the
power taking that time to meditate and
connect and saying a little prayer of
intention and even if you don't know
what sitting in the power is say whoever
you speak to if you believe in God you
know like I'm here or the spirit world
I'm here use me you know I'm gonna quiet
my mind and they'll do the work and uh
but just imagine your cell phone
charging charging charging charging and
the sky's the limit when you have a full
charge and it's really it is yeah I like
how you said that I know what like
meditation what I found the more that I
meditated and if I did that two three
times a day my I don't know what would
happen looks like I would have more
energy more awareness a clear awareness
of looking at things from a better or
clearer perspective so I know we're
sitting in the power to me it's like a
charge you're building that power with
the spirit world so yes definitely I
love how you said that with the battery
and it's funny because after you and I
hang up from this call I have to prepare
menus for my next catering events for
those of you who don't know my mom and I
run a catering business for racecar
teams and I have been having such a low
energy how am I going to do this I can't
think of anything new and just by
hearing you speak and me speak it's like
duh
have you said the power lately have you
asked for any help I'm sure there's
plenty of people in the spirit world
that can lend a hand to new things but
it's silly because we don't often you
know take our own advice I think as
human beings but yeah it is my promising
commitment when you and I are through
with this conversation that I'm going to
close my eyes and connect and then and
then get busy not try to work on an
empty cell phone charge yeah I think so
Kathy I know you took a few notes of
things you wanted to discuss or make
sure you didn't forget and sometimes we
we get to those things before you even
say them but can you just look through
your papers and see
if there's some things you want to share
if not I can certainly ask you more
questions okay well one of the four
things I wanted to there's four things
that I wanted to say we have a member
Aidan Hall that actually I had actually
interviewed and he received some
information from his team that was
necessary that the spirit will thought
was necessary to develop and if you
could be committed have discipline
perseverance and dedication to sitting
and developing as a transfer physical
medium those were the four qualities
that were imperative and what I found in
all of the interviews and so far on
YouTube I think there's 30 30 and 32 in
the group but each one brings this up
can you tell me before again or tell us
before first one commitment that can
discipline three perseverance for
dedication okay having those qualities
as you're developing your trance or
physical meaning ship is like absolutely
necessary and you'll hear that you know
as you go through the interviews and
listen to the guests they all say the
same thing and so I thought that was
wonderful um as an important thing to
let members and you know people know
definitely and within anything if you
want to be successful you need to have
those four yes thank you for sharing
that yeah great um and so lastly I am
still currently doing interviews I'm
taking my time with that I usually
either a look at your channel and see
who you been to you yeah I think you
steal my guests funny I am being funny
that it's a joke for everybody but I
think it's great because you're you're
like I'm talking about a whole bunch and
their history and all that and your show
is called sacred dance with trance so
you fine-tune it a little more and we
get to see you and we get to hear new
things from those guests so yeah yeah
I'm all for sharing cuz you've got some
people I want to interview too
yes I do same with you I'm still like oh
man she thought that guy uh but I do get
my guess from you know paying attention
in different groups to they're
commenting they're sharing in there and
I'll see that I'll look at that I'll
look at your channel I'll research but
most of the guests I get come from word
of mouth or somebody send me message but
I still am interviewing jesting in this
Lane like I'm not going to be
interviewing mental mediums carnation
yes a no no there's definitely this and
so that's all you'll find here with us
I'm I had recently been guided to add a
couple maybe there's a couple of
interviews with regarding spirituality
and that would be the only two maybe
you'll see other than that I'll stay
with this area so but yeah so if you're
guided and you want to learn more about
trance or physical mediumship trance
healing philosophy all of that
definitely during the group it's um it's
there so many people are sharing
definitely look through their newsfeed
find all the interviews but the news
feed and all the questions that are
being asked all the comics that's where
you're gonna find the gold more gold as
far as information to help you on your
own development too so yes can we get a
little bit about the different forms of
trance cuz I know in your description
this trance mediumship trance healing
trance philosophy transformation what
about what are those all mean you know
what that's the interesting part is that
there are so many different
subcategories and we're starting with
you know different things we're adding
different things now so people can learn
more about it so with the trance
mediumship that's an interesting one
because and and hopefully I can
articulate this well enough to me
there's varying degrees of over
shattering overshadowing and control by
the spirit world or your control I'm
seeing some people will know it better
by saying a guide and the medium that
goes into an altered state experiencing
the different levels of an
altered state that could be from light
transiti trance and it's that is when a
spirit communicator speaks through the
medium in trance mediumship physical
mediumship Oh Scott Milligan I know you
just had him on and that is where a
medium can make themselves I'm sorry
move themselves into a deep trance state
and while in that state very deep yes
and the medium and the spirit world can
produce an energy to produce phenomena
that everyone present can see feel or
hear and you know ectoplasm and but but
physical mediumship is something that's
tangible and objective phenomena
witnessed by all that are present say in
the seance or in a circle sitting so you
know we're you talk about that trance
healing oh my god that's like a another
wonderful subject and I'm sorry if
you're over here going on behind you
well remember I live on a Marine Corps
Base and so on this base they have a
weekly notification in case there's
emergency disaster
so I've Courtney that's going on right
this it's okay you know we hear all
kinds of things we once had a big dog
big dog snoring underneath somebody's
desk and it and so in the background
that's all you heard was the snore of
the dog but you know this is great what
is your husband think of this you know
what my husband oh my goodness so he
absolutely supports me now in the
beginning he didn't really understand
what was going on as well but he has
come to be my biggest supporter and in
so questions things he's not like
completely on track with me but but he's
used to that so he's okay with me doing
this and being this way
so anyways in the group we are
definitely learning more clarifying the
terms like direct voice mediumship you
know what is
a trumpet things like that so and what
it is is that I'm not the only one that
is you know saying hey this is what it
is I actually rely heavily on the
members and there are a lot of members
that share their understanding so we all
come together and kind of learn from
each other we're teaching each other and
sharing our experiences there and you
can formulate your understanding from
what you're seeing and reading in the
comments and things like that
and it's a group where I do encourage
members to ask any question because you
only limit yourselves by not asking
questions lately I have members afraid
to post in the group which I can
understand because they're probably
nervous so my messenger gets blown up
with questions and what I do is I just
take those questions and kind of lump
them in a post and have members give
feedback what do what you know like if
one question would be um you know I feel
like my face is stretching or I feel
this different energy very close to my
face and it feels like I'm expanding is
this transfiguration and so really what
that would be would be this spirit world
coming very close to blend with your
overshadow you I mean obviously it could
go deeper to the beginning of
transfiguration but typically that's
what it would be so any question it's
there and people are just sharing their
knowledge with and their their
experience with it I don't know too much
about that world but I have witnessed
and seen somebody five feet from my face
and not even know that that even existed
his face was changing and I thought am I
losing my mind or is this man always
changing and his fingers got elongated
and I thought this is it this is the
real deal here whatever it is I'm
witnessing and people said oh that's the
face of my father there's my mother you
know somebody with a mustache or glasses
or beard I thought and that's just one
of those wild things that remind me that
this world is real there is so much more
to us than meets the eye I mean
oh I love it I love it well Kathy
anything else you'd like to share with
us um I'm just trying to think I think I
might have covered everything my job I
love that I got to interview an
interviewer oh my god yes and thank you
so much because you know what your
channel helped me learn how to interview
I'm still hearing it but yeah definitely
shout out to you Sandra thank you it's
funny I people still that are listening
to my original interviews and saying oh
the sounds not right and this isn't good
that's like I was just starting out the
more and more we do we have love in our
hearts we want to share good stories
with people make the connections and
make such a difference and I want to
encourage you our listener right now if
you like my show you will love Kathy
show because it's the same hmm it's not
the same it's different obviously but
there's some shows I'm sure of mine that
you don't quite care for and there's
others is like oh I really like this but
the ones that are about the trance or
the physical mediumship and even if
you're not interested in that just
listen or you can actually see some of
these guests and there's more
inspiration and information than just
what the subject of the show is and I
just can't recommend it enough I'm so
proud of Kathy and if you go to youtube
you can either type in Kathy Beltran
that'll take you there you can type in
sacred sacred dance with trance same
same thing with on Facebook and like I
said in the description of this episode
that you're listening to right now
whether on iTunes or YouTube or wherever
else it's on many different places in
the description I have the links so you
can just cut and paste and then and go
find it so Kathy thank you for being our
guest today
oh my goodness thank you so much and you
made me very comfortable I did you know
I was very nervous but thank you so much
for having me on yes I know I told Kathy
it's just like we're just sitting on the
couch together just her and I and one
person who's listening because you know
we know you're listening and to our
listener right now I want to thank you
whether this is your first episode or
your two hundred and something the
episode thank you for listening because
what it tells us
is that you're not only a seeker but you
want to have the best life possible and
so both Kathy and I believe that when we
do believe in the afterlife it gives us
a more fulfilling and powerful human
life so thank you for being here as a
reminder our home base for all these
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and I have free gifts for you there my
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it's a few chapters in my book it's
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there's over 3,000 like-minded Souls who
like Kathy said with her groups
everybody helps each other I mean
sometimes with my travels I can't be
watching all the posts but there's a
person that lost they don't really lose
a loved one but their loved one
transitioned and to have so many people
share their experiences and listen I
mean it's a community to help each other
through life through believing in the
afterlife through grief so we don't die
listeners is that I will be speaking at
the September can we try this again I
will be speaking at the September
afterlife symposium September 14th
through 16th and Scottsdale Arizona and
you can join like-minded people and
experts from all over the world
discussing cutting edge information
about the afterlife an afterlife
communication and you can go to
afterlife symposium org to find out more
it did sell out last year so if you're
interested book your ticket and even if
you're not check out the website and
just check out what some of these people
are doing in the world look at their
websites because it's you will be mind
blown as I think you will as I am
about some of this afterlife stuff
that's going on so in closing my name is
Sandra Champlain another thank you to
our guest Kathy Beltran make sure you go
to youtube and check out sacred dance
with trance her beautiful beautiful
youtube channel with all her shows I am
Sandra Champlain did I say that already
maybe I have been your host on we don't
die radio and I do believe that life is
an education for the Soul and that your
life here on earth is important so make
it a great day I thank you for listening
and we'll see you soon.
