

### Spirit Relationships:

### The Loving Use of Mediumship

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Session 1

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### This ebook is a transcript of a seminar delivered by Jesus (AJ Miller) on 7th April 2012 in Kyabra, New South Wales, Australia. In this seminar Jesus describes the loving purposes of communicating with spirits, how to develop a pure desire for mediumship, and he conducts a mediumship session with Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck) and Peter Lytton-Hitchins, who channel their spirit guides, Rachel, Timothy and Angelo.

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Table of Contents

### The Loving Use Of Mediumship: Part 1

1. Introduction

2. Channelling of a Celestial spirit named Angelo

2.1. Angelo's life while on Earth in the 17th Century

2.2. Angelo's passing into the spirit world

2.3. Angelo's life while on Earth (continued)

2.4. Angelo's passing into the spirit world (continued)

2.5. Progressing in love in the spirit world

2.5.1. The first sphere

2.5.2. The second sphere

2.5.3. The third sphere

2.5.4. Discovering God and God's Laws

2.5.5. Entering the Celestial spheres of the spirit world

2.6. Angelo's life since entering in the Celestial spheres

3. Audience questions for Angelo

3.1. Experiencing pain when discovering God's Truth before at-onement

3.2. Discovering God's Truth after at-onement

3.3. Having a pure desire for God's Truth

4. Inaccuracies conveyed during mediumship

4.1. Intermediaries during channelling of spirits

4.2. Inaccuracies during Angelo's channelling

4.3. Experiencing emotions while channelling Celestial spirits

4.4. Inaccuracies during Angelo's channelling (continued)

4.5. The emotional openness of mediums

4.6. Determining the authenticity of channellings

4.7. Attracting higher spirits to channel

4.7.1. Celestial spirits honour free will

4.8. Maintaining a rapport with higher spirits

5. Channelling of the Celestial spirits Rachel and Timothy

5.1. Rachel and Timothy's life on Earth in the first century

### The Loving Use of Mediumship: Part 2

6. Rachel and Timothy's life on Earth in the first century (continued)

7. The use of mediumship to transmit new truths to Earth

7.1. The history of mediumship

7.2. The role of mediumship in cycles of progression and degradation on the Earth

7.3. Religious restraints upon mediumship

7.4. Cycles of progression and degradation on the Earth

7.5. Witches and mediumship

7.6. Mediumship during the Reformation

7.7. Mediumship and innovation on Earth

7.7.1. An example of Nikola Tesla

7.7.2. Examples of using innovative ideas in unloving directions

8. Mediumship from the perspective of Celestial spirits

8.1. Colours of energy emanating from mediums that are visible to spirits

8.2. Smells associated with different soul conditions

8.3. The experience of visiting the hells from a Celestial spirit's perspective

8.4. An example of mediumship nights held by the group

9. Developing a pure desire for mediumship

9.1. Developing a pure desire to be of service

9.1.1. An example of people serving at AJ and Mary's events

9.2. The importance of a pure desire and humility for mediumship

9.3. Developing a pure desire to be of service (continued)

9.3.1. An example of serving through music

9.3.2. An example of serving through mediumship

9.4. The importance of a pure desire and humility for mediumship (continued)

9.4.1. An example of a participant angry with her great-grandfather

9.5. The issue of anger with spirits we attract

9.5.1. An example of a participant who is denying her anger and who is alone

10. Connecting with our spirit guides

10.1. An example of a participant afraid to trust her guide

11. Audience questions

11.1. An example of a participant who wants her children to not blame her

11.2. Having compassion for spirits' soul injuries

11.2.1. The importance of being self-reflective

11.3. The benefit of having spirits with us all the time

12. Connecting with our spirit guides (continued)

13. Closing words

The Loving Use Of Mediumship: Part 1

1. Introduction

The topic of today's talk is "The Loving Use of Mediumship." Instead of just giving you a talk about it, we're going to handle it a bit differently. The reason Peter and Mary are up here with me is that Peter is going to channel a spirit. The spirit's name is Angelo, whom some of you have already met. Angelo is going to give you a bit of background about himself and let you get to know him a little. Then Mary is going to channel two spirits who are a soulmate couple in the spirit world. Their names are Rachel and Timothy and they used to be with us in the first century; they'll give you a bit of background about themselves.

Firstly we want to get to know the spirits that we're speaking to. You can ask them some questions during this process if you wish. There will actually be four people speaking to you about the subject of the loving use of mediumship. Angelo will be speaking to you about it, and for Mary there will be Timothy and Rachel speaking to you about it, and then I'll add my two bobs' worth occasionally as well.

Mary: And Peter and Mary are a bit nervous about getting out of the way. (Laughs)

Peter: Do you mind sharing some of the stuff that I've got with Angelo because I think that's quite appropriate for everyone who's experienced Angelo?

Certainly. We've attempted to talk to Peter about truly reflecting Angelo's personality to you because Angelo is actually a flamboyant Italian and Peter is not a flamboyant Italian, as you know, (laughter) so it is difficult for Peter to reflect the actual personality of the spirit Angelo. We've tried to encourage Peter to allow himself to be the flamboyant Italian that he's going to be channelling.

Peter: I'm wearing white; that's Angelo's favourite colour so that's a start. (Laughter)

That's a start. A problem many people who come from natural love encounter with regard to channelling is that the natural love spirits often have an imposition that they place upon people who channel them. The imposition they place is that you've got to honour them all the time and you've got to put them in a bit of a higher position than yourself. Historically Peter's family, the Lytton-Hitchins, who can all channel, have all had this tendency to put the spirit into a higher position and then to become a little rigid...

Mary: Formal.

... and formal with regard to the channelling that those spirits do.

Now while that might be suitable for a person who's on the Natural Love Path and who believes himself to be higher than you, the people on the Divine Love Path, and particularly the ones who become Celestial spirits, don't believe themselves to be higher than you. They feel that they're your brothers and sisters and they try to be themselves. So perhaps while it's okay to channel natural love spirits in that formal way, often spirits on the Divine Love Path want you to be more informal and realistic.

We've asked Peter to just allow himself to relax and be this flamboyant Italian (laughter); to allow himself to relax the formality. Mary and Peter have often had difficulties channelling information that is related to specific things that could affect your life, where you might make a choice or a decision and then go down a different path; they are sometimes very worried about channelling something that might cause you to then change your life around.

There's sometimes also the emotion that they are a little afraid of making you angry, whereas our Celestial spirit friends are not afraid of making you angry at all. Because of that fear there's sometimes some resistance to being more open about the truth, and for Mary there are often emotions related to her own life with the spirits. Her life with the spirits, our life with the spirits in the first century, was quite close, and we know them well. There's quite a lot of emotion that Mary has yet to release about our experiences with those particular people, and sometimes she gets a bit teary when they start speaking about their lives and about our involvement in their lives. That, of course, causes the communication to suffer a little in terms of its accuracy. [00:10:01.16]

Last night we talked together about these things and tried to address some of the emotions so that today we could have a fairly open discussion with you, the three spirits and myself about the loving use of mediumship.

Mary: There's also one other thing that affects me a lot when channelling my guides, and I'm sure it's relevant for a lot of you, and that is the amount of love that they have for each of us. Often I find that's very emotional to open up to, receiving that amount of love. It triggers a lot of grief in me, so that's another thing that comes up for me, but I feel it is also relevant for you guys.

Peter: After our conversation last night, the first thing I said to Angelo this morning was, "Angelo, you're going to give me the heads up here? What are we going to talk about today?" I'm wanting the details and Angelo's like, "You don't need to know anything." (Laughter)

Mary: Rachel did exactly the same thing with me. She said, "You don't need to prepare. It's my story." I said, "Could you just tell me the details?"

Peter: It's like a game of football. You get all stressed. It needs to be just another day. I still have all these fears that come up about accuracy and about the intent and stuff like that.

The only one sitting here that needs to be worried about what he's saying is myself (laughter) because I'm not channelling anybody (laughter) and the two next to me need to just stay in the space of accurately channelling the information as best they are able. That's what we're hoping to do today.

Now in that process we're also hoping that you can start to see the character and nature of the spirits that surround us at different times. These three spirits are all Celestial spirits, so hopefully we will be able to demonstrate to you to a larger degree the true character and nature of a Celestial spirit rather than feeling formal and worried about what's really going on with our spirit friends.

Firstly, we want to introduce you to them in a manner where they tell a bit of their story about their life, when they lived on Earth, what happened to them while they were living on Earth, when they died, what happened to them when they passed, when they arrived in the spirit world, how they felt, what happened to them during their development in the spirit world, and when they met their soulmates, so that you get a bit of a picture about their life and also about their character.

During this process feel free to ask them questions about their life. Don't be afraid to ask questions. Okay, who do you want to start with first? Would you like to know Angelo more? Or would you like to know Rachel and Timothy first?

Participants: Angelo.

So away we go. (Laughter)

2. Channelling of a Celestial spirit named Angelo

Peter/Angelo: Finally, finally it's taken a while. Bon journo anyway. (Laughs)

Bon journo. (Laughs)

2.1. Angelo's life while on Earth in the 17th Century

Peter/Angelo: My life was very ordinary. You see Celestials as having grandeur in their lives. My life on Earth was very simple. My father was a fisherman, and you were either a boy or a man, there was no in-between. I was with my mother until I was five years old and then I was a man with my father. He fished, and any of you who have been fishing smell of fish, smell of fish - I did not like the smell of fish. (Laughter)

One day in my village I saw the most grand boat I had ever seen. I was fifteen and this boat was a merchant boat. It had beautiful smells. This man knows beautiful smells, smells that I had never smelt before, and they certainly weren't fish. So I say to my father, "My time of fishing is done, no more fishing, I am done." My mother, she was just a mother, she fed us and looked after us; that's how we saw our mothers, we didn't see them any other way. We had to become men as soon as possible. So I just said goodbye to my mother, I am going on this boat.

This name of the man who was the captain of the boat was Roberto, and Roberto was the first father I had ever had. For the next five years he took me all around the Mediterranean Sea. We traded here and we traded there but what I remember most about Roberto is that he taught me about stars, and he taught me how to feel the ocean. These days a captain does not know how to feel the ocean. It was 1626 when I was born, so 1636 when I first really started learning the sea. By 1640 it was very dangerous times in the Mediterranean Sea. Roberto was a true seaman, a true captain; he went where no other boats went, he understood the coral reef, he understood when it was going to rain. But he taught me the stars and I think the stars were the most beautiful thing he taught me. [00:16:50.24]

Then just when I felt my life was perfect and that this was always going to be the way, one morning I went into his cabin. Here was a man who I saw as my father, and he was the most ugly sight I'd ever seen. I had never seen a dead person before. His jaw was open, his eyes were wide open, and I did not know what to do. He was the first man I loved and I didn't know how to cry, so it was the most difficult but one of the most important times in my life. I remember grabbing a sheet and wrapping up this dead thing who had once been so much to me, and I could not work out how the feelings I had for this man were no longer in this thing before me. It took me another five years to shed a tear for the greatest friend I ever had on Earth.

His Will was read on the boat and it said, "This boat and all his belongings now belong to Angelo Rembardi." Then suddenly a man clapped me on the shoulder and said, "Well done, son," and I said, "What do you mean?" And he said, "This is all yours." I was horrified. Roberto had given me his boat and all his possessions.

For the next five years I was terrified. Instead of trading large quantities, we traded little routes; I did little short trips, no big trips, and then one day we were near Morocco and I was in trouble. I had a man come up to me and say, "One of our Portuguese boats has gone down and we need your boat." This was no ordinary man; he was not asking me, he was telling me. And I said, "So what are we doing?" He said, "You do not need to know, all you need to do is follow those three boats over there and you have an order to supply, and you will be paid more money than you've ever been paid." The amount was about one year's work for a few months.

We arrived at the port and I still had no idea, but suddenly it dawned upon me when I saw all these men in chains. One after the other, they were chained at the hands and chained at the feet, and some of them even had neck collars going from one to the other. Their eyes; I always remember their eyes. Three hundred and twenty-six came on my boat where normally only ten men used to live; three hundred and twenty-six slaves were now on my boat. We had to sail for two and a half months. The smell was... well you know how I didn't like fish smell? This smell was so much different.

I remember there was this one man who came on the boat, and this is probably one of the most important parts of my whole life but I did not know at the time. He came on the boat and he had scabs on his feet and his hands and his neck and especially on his chest. They were like big welts, pussy welts. I had nowhere to put this man so I put him on my bed; that was the only place that I felt was okay. I couldn't put him in my men's quarters. From that moment onwards he stayed in my quarters and we treated him the best we could, but it wasn't very good. When we finally got to our destination this man was walked off the boat with all the rest. I did not even know his name.

Then I arrived home to my wife. I had only been married for a short time. It was the one and only time that I ever cried on Earth. I cried and promised myself that I would never jump on a boat again, and from that moment onwards I no longer sailed the seas. From that moment on, the rest of my life was very ordinary. But the most important part of this story is when I passed. Who do you think was the first person I saw when I passed? This slave who had been on my bed was the man who introduced me to my new life. He is even more beautiful now than he was then. That's my introduction. [00:23:46.23]

Shall we ask the audience whether they'd like to ask you some questions? What would you like to ask Angelo?

2.2. Angelo's passing into the spirit world

Participant: In what condition did you pass in when you died?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I was an ordinary man who did ordinary things so my condition was not bright, but it was not dark. When I went, I could feel my body and I knew that I had moved from Earth to another place, so I was never Earth-bound. Then when I arrived, I was in a state of curiosity about what this place was like. I was not a religious man. Back then when you were sailing a boat you saw so many people who believed in God who didn't survive the sea, so my curiosity was more after factual information. When my body arrived in the spirit world I would be in what you would call the first sphere. I was open but I had not been loving to my wife, I had not cared for many things. I certainly didn't understand many things.

Mary: I wonder what changed for you after you entered the spirit world? Obviously now you have a strong desire for God, what changed for you?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I blamed things that happened in my life on those around me rather than realising that it was my opportunity to do whatever I wanted to do. When I was a child I felt that I had to be a fisherman, then when I realised I didn't have to be a fisherman, that was the first time in my life on Earth that there was a change. When I got to the spirit world my greatest opportunity was the first time I met this slave who had been with me because he showed me that there was compassion and love in the spirit world. I was not expecting that. Asking how he could love after what had happened to him was the beginning of my journey. He had so much love for me, and I felt I hadn't done enough to help him. He had died three days after he arrived at shore after being on my boat, and yet when I arrived in the spirit world he was there as the most gracious friend I had ever met.

Participant: Hey Angelo, it's nice to see you without Peter in the way.

Peter/Angelo: I just told him to relax.

2.3. Angelo's life while on Earth (continued)

Participant: Sorry, Peter. (Laughs) I've been wondering about this whole process of doing things, like what you felt you had to do, carrying all those slaves, and a part of you obviously knew it was wrong and a part of you felt that you had to go along with it.

Peter/Angelo: Well, it's not like I had to go along with it. The question I have for all of you is about this word "death," and I've been talking to Peter a lot about this word. There is a belief that there's a separation between this life and the next life. If I had arrived at that point and this man had said to me, "You are carrying slaves on your boat," and if I had realised in that moment that if I said, "No," I would not die, I probably would have said "No." In that state we're simply going from one place to another, our journey does not stop. I know that now.

What you're saying is that had you realised that you could have just said, "No," and he probably would have murdered you?

Peter/Angelo: He would have killed me, but that would have been okay.

Yeah.

Peter/Angelo: And I would have been in a second or third sphere space when I went.

Participant: So I guess you could really feel the impact it had on your soul to go along with it.

Peter/Angelo: We feel that we can't make choices when we live on Earth, and this is one of the greatest false beliefs that many of you have, that you can't make the choice. You are constantly making a choice every second of every day, and it's your choice regardless of who influences that choice. It's your choice just like it was my choice.

If you made a choice to honour the truth and to honour love, you might have passed immediately, but you would have passed into a far better condition - but you made the choice because you feared death? [00:30:00.22]

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

You made a different choice and then, of course, when you did eventually pass, you passed into a worse condition.

Peter/Angelo: And this fear of death went through my whole life, because we make decisions from that moment onwards related to that choice. I used to love sailing boats, I used to love being on the water. I sacrificed that for the next twenty-six years of my life just because of one decision I had made.

So it was guilt about the decision you had made?

Peter/Angelo: Correct. And as a man you do not cry. That is very false isn't it?

Participant: Yeah, definitely.

Peter/Angelo: If I had cried, it would have changed many things. Just crying and sharing with my wife meant that we could have lived a friendship life from that moment onwards rather than a hateful, angry life.

2.4. Angelo's passing into the spirit world (continued)

So Angelo, after you entered the spirit world, your old friend who treated you like his long-lost brother obviously mentored you. He helped you come to terms with life in the spirit world. Obviously he was connected to God and this had a great influence on you.

Peter/Angelo: You could just see his face and know he was connected to something that I was not. He didn't even mention the word God in our initial conversation.

Yeah. What happened in that initial phase once you got to know him? You were inquisitive; you asked questions, what were the kinds of questions you asked?

Peter/Angelo: The first question I asked him was how could he love me?

Because you didn't do enough to help him.

Peter/Angelo: I didn't do anything to help him, otherwise I would have kept him on my boat and I wouldn't have let him go ashore. So I asked how he could love after what had happened to him.

And what did he say in return?

Peter/Angelo: He simply said that they did not understand what they were doing, they did not understood that love is stronger than pain and revenge and control, and that the reason they did what they did is that they were terrified in themselves. You see, even the fact that they had them in chains shows that they were terrified of these men. He actually saw initially that we were the weak ones rather than himself.

2.5. Progressing in love in the spirit world

So after you arrived in the spirit world, you were reintroduced to love.

Peter/Angelo: We had to start at the beginning.

2.5.1. The first sphere

How long did it take you to come to terms with some of the things about love? Was it just a simple matter of going, "Oh yeah, I realised I was out of harmony with love there and let's move on"? What actually happened? [00:33:33.08]

Peter/Angelo: As an Italian man there were certain things that were very easy, but when it came to a woman and how I treated women generally, that took a long time.

When you say a long time, could you compare it to Earth time?

Peter/Angelo: It took thirty-six of your years for me to just open up to how I had treated women in my life, whereas I already had this guilt and shame around certain things that I had done in my life, and that didn't take more than a couple of years.

Because they were things you already knew that you'd done wrong?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

Whereas the women relationship, you didn't know that you'd done anything wrong.

Peter/Angelo: No. You see, even how I was married - I didn't choose my wife, so to speak. It's strange because it wasn't an arranged marriage, but it was. I was a seaman. I was very rarely on land, and my parents basically said to me, "This will be your wife."

After you had dealt with the women issue in the spirit world, what did you start to notice then?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I noticed within my body, my spirit and soul, that there was a caring that I hadn't had before. We see love as love, but there was a part of myself that had never actually wanted to love someone of the opposite sex as an equal, as someone that I want to embrace and share with.

Was that the time you entered the second sphere?

Peter/Angelo: No, I still stayed in the first sphere. It was one hundred and twenty-six years before I arrived in the second sphere.

Right. So it took you one hundred and twenty-six years to go through the lessons of the first sphere.

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and within the first sphere, as I went through the lessons I was able to discover more things in the first sphere, and every now and then I was given the opportunity to see what happens in the second and third sphere, but I was not able to stay in those places.

When you say you were given the opportunity, spirits lent you the power to visit those places? [00:36:12.19]

Peter/Angelo: They showed me; I was able to go and visit.

And that then increased your desire to...

Peter/Angelo: It was like knowing that the more I open myself up, the more I am going to learn about myself. I never went to school and the spirit world is such a discovery!

Pretty big school.

Peter/Angelo: It's so exciting to be able to learn all these things that I didn't know about when I lived, so I stayed in the second sphere a long time.

2.5.2. The second sphere

So you basically arrived in the second sphere in what it would have been about late 1700's would it be, in our time? And then you stayed in the second sphere...

Peter/Angelo: For another hundred years.

A hundred years there too.

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

What kinds of things did you learn about there?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I was fascinated about the Earth, and in the second sphere you have libraries all around you. One of the things that happens in the spirit world is that the second sphere can become too comfortable for you. You can lose desire to want to discover more. You're not in any pain; I was not in any pain, my body felt good, I felt okay and while I was there I didn't need to keep looking at these emotions that I had as far as wanting to discover a soulmate or even open myself up to the possibility.

So you became very involved in intellectual pursuits?

Peter/Angelo: All intellectual, yes, and that's why I had to stay there so long.

What caused you then to get out of that?

Peter/Angelo: My mother.

Your mother. What effect did she have?

Peter/Angelo: She came to me one day and said, "Angelo, you're a nice boy."

And you said, "I know that, Mum"? (Laughter)

Peter/Angelo: I'd been in the spirit world a long time at this stage and she's still calling me a boy. (Laughter)

It's a bit rough, isn't it?

Peter/Angelo: A bit rough. And she said, "Angelo, you always wanted to become a man. If you want to become a man, it's time you let go of some of these beliefs that you have."

And what beliefs were those?

Peter/Angelo: Starting with the fact that women aren't here to serve you. (Laughter)

Yes, that's a fairly big belief you would have had.

Peter/Angelo: And she said, "If you open yourself to the possibility with friendship, this will start a new journey that you can't even imagine." From that point onwards I started interacting with women in the spirit world, something which I had not even done before that point.

Did you even see many women before then?

Peter/Angelo: No, I had no desire.

So you started interacting with women, and what did you learn through that process?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I learned through that process that when you're with a woman in the spirit world, you see things with the woman, and I can see that I didn't have a match with the women I was with.

You had basically a series of relationships? Was that how it worked out? [00:39:42.04]

Peter/Angelo: To start with, yes.

But with every relationship there was a degree of dissatisfaction?

Peter/Angelo: Correct. There was no holding of the love. It was like a short desire that was fulfilled and then gone.

2.5.3. The third sphere

What then caused you to move into the third sphere?

Peter/Angelo: When I opened up in my heart and I started to look at where things went, there was a cord that I was able to follow into the third sphere.

A cord?

Peter/Angelo: A cord.

You opened up your heart and then you noticed a cord linking your heart to something else?

Peter/Angelo: It was a lady in the third sphere. (Laughter)

Right. (Laughter) It's always a woman that leads you...

Peter/Angelo: But did you notice that she was in the third sphere before I was? (Laughter)

Yes, yes, yes. So she had obviously opened up her heart?

Peter/Angelo: She had.

She had.

Peter/Angelo: She'd opened her heart up to me, and she'd known about me for about two hundred years.

So for two hundred years she had opened her heart to you without your responding? [00:40:58.20]

Peter/Angelo: Yes, without my responding.

What was her name?

Peter/Angelo: Gloria, we'll call her Gloria.

We'll call her Gloria, okay. So you sort of felt the draw from Gloria into the third dimension.

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

In that process what happened? You opened your heart and that would have meant you then became a lot more emotional, is that how it happened?

Peter/Angelo: I opened my heart and then I went straight back to the first sphere.

Okay. (Laughter) And what did you have to learn in the first sphere?

Peter/Angelo: There was a lot of grief.

Yeah, a lot of crying that you had to connect with?

Peter/Angelo: Yes

So you connected with the tears and cried...

Peter/Angelo: And then I went straight back to the third sphere.

It went like a yoyo for a while like that?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

Back and forward between the second and first spheres and the third sphere?

Peter/Angelo: It would be like we were in conversation and then I'd suddenly be somewhere else. (Laughter)

It's like you jumping over to somewhere else in another part of the world all of a sudden?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

And wondering why you're there?

Peter/Angelo: It was pointed out to me many times. (Laughs)

And then once you released that emotion you went back to...

Peter/Angelo: Well, every time you release that emotion, when you go back to your other half, it's stronger.

So you had a stronger connection? [00:42:26.25]

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and you discover other things that you did not know before, so every time I released something I saw more.

And therefore had more understanding. You entered the third sphere about what time of our time here on Earth?

Peter/Angelo: 1830.

1830, so we're now talking a couple of hundred years after you passed - is that right? When did you pass?

Peter/Angelo: I passed in 1662.

Right, so about one hundred and eighty years after you passed, you entered the third sphere.

Peter/Angelo: And when I entered the third sphere, I was going backwards and forwards.

Sort of jumping back and forward depending on what emotions you had to deal with at the time?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

2.5.4. Discovering God and God's Laws

What happened after that? What caused you to discover God?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I knew there had to be something that was doing this because it wasn't me and it certainly wasn't my partner, and that's when I met someone who was able to share the Laws of God with me.

Did your soulmate know those laws?

Peter/Angelo: No. She did not.

She hadn't learned them either?

Peter/Angelo: No, and when we listened, to start with there was no mention of God, simply the laws that operate in the spirit world.

So you started to learn about what law caused you to jump back to the first sphere when you had an emotion.

Peter/Angelo: Correct. Yes.

And laws about the heart; you started to learn some of the laws about the emotions? [00:44:15.01]

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and it was very important for my own opening that I did not know about God first.

Why was that? What do you think would have happened there if you had known?

Peter/Angelo: If I'd just gone straight into a desire to connect to God, I would have left out big parts of myself that needed to be addressed first.

Right, so you would have probably tried to intellectualise your connection with God.

Peter/Angelo: I would have stayed in the sixth sphere for a long time, yes. By allowing myself to look at how I love myself and that what was happening around me was because of my interactions was very important.

When you started to be introduced to God's Laws, what effect did that have on you?

Peter/Angelo: I got so excited. It was a relief, and I actually just prayed about that for a long time. It was such a relief because many of you have a feeling every now and then that comes over you as if someone's there for you, but you can't be brave enough or you're not brave enough in that moment to want to discover who that is. I got that braveness in that time.

2.5.5. Entering the Celestial spheres of the spirit world

So we're now talking about the mid 1800's in terms of Earth time. We're a couple of hundred years now since you were on Earth. What happened after that? Was it a slow process? [00:45:57.12]

Peter/Angelo: No, it was very fast.

Very fast from then on.

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

Did you find yourself flicking back, dealing with an emotion, moving forward, each time now?

Peter/Angelo: That still happens now. Now I spend a large part of my time in the fifteenth sphere, but I regularly go back to the thirteenth and twelfth sphere, and that's mainly because my lady is there. Gloria is in the twelfth, thirteenth sphere.

She took a bit longer to discover God's Laws, did she, and therefore have an interest in God? Or what happened there?

Peter/Angelo: Her block even now is that she sees God as being responsible for injustice. She finds that even now and it's the one thing that she's continuing to work on.

If she is in the thirteenth sphere, then surely she's at-one with God, so how could she see God as a source of injustice?

Peter/Angelo: Well, she sees the Earth and what happens here, and she finds it confusing why we continue on Earth to do what is happening - this lack of love on Earth.

So she can see the love in the spirit world...

Peter/Angelo: But she can't see love on Earth.

There's a bit of emotional confusion about the Earth and what's going on, on the Earth?

Peter/Angelo: Correct.

And why it seems to be different.

Peter/Angelo: Yes, that is where she's discovering parts of God. We're taught the laws simplistically, and then you have an opportunity to actually understand what is in the laws, so to speak.

A lot of the people here on Earth wouldn't understand that a lot of the truths they are being presented are not truths that you are presented in the spirit world until your development is quite advanced.

Peter/Angelo: Well, in the spirit world you generally don't want to know.

Because you're reflecting your real feelings rather than just what your thoughts are. [00:48:22.04]

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and especially in the lower spheres. Most in the lower spheres have this belief of injustice, wondering how this could be happening to them. What did they do wrong to be in the place that they are? And most aren't open to hearing the answer.

I suppose we're now mid 1800's \- there's quite a bit of time between mid 1800's and 2000 from our perspective, at least here on Earth, so what happened during that time? You had quite rapid progress; when did you actually become at-one with God? When did you enter the gate of Heaven? [00:49:05.15]

Peter/Angelo: It was about 1926.

So now it was 1926. You'd progressed this time from the third dimension to the eighth in a space of about another one hundred years, is that correct?

Peter/Angelo: By spending time in the third sphere and going back to the first sphere regularly and opening up to those emotions that I had, it meant I was then able to progress very quickly.

In comparison to before?

Peter/Angelo: To before, yes.

In 1926 when you entered the Celestial Heavens, what did you feel? I know it's very difficult to describe it.

Peter/Angelo: The first feeling that I had was that I was finally home. I had finally come home.

And you were welcomed by many spirits, like everyone is?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

How did you find that transition? How did your spirit friends help you make the transition over that gossamer bridge, shall we call it, into the heavens?

Peter/Angelo: You have to go from trusting yourself and being responsible for yourself to just allowing God into your heart. The moment you allow God into your heart, you're no longer having to do it for yourself. This was the big block that I had to getting through the bridge, allowing myself to open up to the fact that I don't have to be doing it because I could love and I could share, but when you're opening up purely to God it's very different.

2.6. Angelo's life since entering in the Celestial spheres

Since that point in time, the mid 1920's, 1926, what have you mostly been involved in doing?

Peter/Angelo: Well, 1926 was a very tragic time on Earth, a very busy time on Earth. From 1926 to 1946 I had a desire to help many people that were involved in the wars on Earth, and that took many different forms. We should probably go back a little bit. Within the first few moments of arriving in the spirit world, God gives you an opportunity. You have another chance to decide or to change or to feel open to other possibilities. When many of these men arrived in the spirit world, they were given an opportunity to be shown another way that they could be engaged in the spirit world.

You mean the men who were involved in wars?

Peter/Angelo: Correct. Most chose not to, but many also did.

You would have enjoyed that process of being able to help them and educate them?

Peter/Angelo: Correct. Many of them were boys, too.

Yeah, of course, just under twenty.

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

After the war ended, obviously there were fewer people now passing into the spirit world than before, and what did you choose to do then? [00:52:58.13]

Peter/Angelo: Then I went on a discovery for myself, and that was when I really wanted to understand God's universe as complete.

When did you actually make the transition between the fourteenth and the fifteenth sphere?

Peter/Angelo: That was in 1986.

What was the major change in your being when you made that transition?

Peter/Angelo: It was my desire to want to know more, and by opening up to this desire, it allowed me into another sphere of discovery.

In that case a lot of new things were added to you.

Peter/Angelo: It was like you talk about your computers, going from a slow computer to the fastest computer ever, each time you go up to a sphere.

So you've been in the fifteenth dimension since...

Peter/Angelo: From 1986 to now I've been going between the fifteenth and the thirteenth.

When did you decide you wanted to be Peter's guide? What happened for you to be Peter's guide, because that was obviously an assignment of some kind? [00:54:26.21]

Peter/Angelo: Yes. There is much confusion around how guides work. Many of you in the audience think that if I'm Peter's guide I'm constantly beside Peter and I'm here all the time. It's not like that.

No, when you're in the fifteenth dimension you can share yourself among lots of people simultaneously.

Peter/Angelo: Correct. So the main time I came to Peter was three years ago when you, AJ, arrived on the scene. It was at that time that Peter had a desire to want to discover more, and that's when he was assigned myself.

Obviously there are personality similarities between yourself and Peter. What are those?

Peter/Angelo: The discovery is the main one.

The desire to discover new things?

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and when I was on Earth, I had many desires with land and sea and understanding, very similar there. Peter also has a desire for discovery, a desire to want to know people, and now I get great enjoyment out of just knowing people. Many of you in the audience see all your hardships as that being who you are, whereas we get to see you as you really are.

Far removed from that person that often people believe themselves to be.

Peter/Angelo: Correct.

When did we first meet, you and I?

Peter/Angelo: When did you and I first meet? It's probably more the other way - when did I first meet you. That was about fourteen years ago, and I met you through another Celestial who took me to meet you.

Before that time did you realise that there were those of the fourteen who had returned to Earth?

Peter/Angelo: In 1930 we became aware that it was a possibility that this might happen.

Yes, you were aware that it could happen, and when did you find out that it had happened? [00:56:51.00]

Peter/Angelo: Fourteen years ago. That was the first time I saw it for myself. I saw you first. And your lady.

And the lady and the others, too. Okay so shall we just hand it over to some questions from the audience again?

3. Audience questions for Angelo

3.1. Experiencing pain when discovering God's Truth before at-onement

Participant: I've just got a couple of questions, Angelo. I feel like a lot of people who are following the teachings as Jesus and Mary are giving them, believe that receiving God's Truth is probably associated with a lot of pain. Would you mind describing a little bit of the process of longing for and receiving God's Truth when you no longer have any pain? What is that like in the Celestial Kingdom?

Peter/Angelo: Well, that word "pain" is a bit like the word "death." (Laughter) You see, if you just went with desire, you're never going to have too much pain. Do you understand that?

Participant: No.

Peter/Angelo: If you are just going with desire and love for yourself in the moment, the pain is never going to be too unbearable. Your desire and your love are always going to override the pain because every time you have an experience and you feel pain, it's what happens after the feeling - you know that the pain is so worth it. See if you can no longer see it as pain because the word "pain" is like, "This is hard, it's going to be hard, it's going to be work," you're going to have to fight it. The truth is that if you're feeling your emotion, there's no hardness to it, you're simply in that state rather than being intellectual. Is that any help?

Participant: Yeah, a lot, thank you.

Yeah, a lot of times we see pain as the more important thing and we forget the benefits of the release of the pain. After a while you start seeing pain not as an impediment to your growth, but actually as a welcome part of the process of your growth. [00:59:28.09]

Peter/Angelo: You know as you're feeling the pain that you're getting closer to your desire.

Mary: The question was though, "What's it's like, to receive truth without pain?" It's true that as we're led by desire we feel our pain as a matter of course, but it's still pain, isn't it? So I was interested in Matthew's question, which was, "What is the experience like once you have no more injury in you?" Because obviously now you're receiving more of God's Truth as you progress.

Peter/Angelo: I'm a bit confused.

Peter's a bit confused about the question but Angelo's not. (Laughter)

Peter: Yeah, because I'm getting really confused.

If I can just help Peter a bit with the question... What Angelo was saying earlier was that the main impediment to a person's growth before they enter the condition of at-onement with God is that they believe pain to be something that's real and tangible. They believe pain is the reason they can't grow, but that's not the reason they can't grow. It's that they can't grow because of their focus on pain. They are focussed on pain; they feel pain is more important than the benefits that come after you release it. Before the eighth dimension, people are constantly focused on the pain that they're in rather than on the pleasure that they have of releasing the pain. [01:01:06.03]

The reason Angelo brought up the pain issue is that before the eighth dimension you are too focused on pain. You want to say how bad it is that you're experiencing this emotion, whereas after a while you transition into seeing that it's fantastic to experience every emotion and it actually feels a welcome relief to experience every emotion. Even though there is some emotional pain in the process, it's actually a very, very welcome relief to experience the emotion.

Peter/Angelo: In the spirit world, you know that if you choose to not feel the pain, instantly you'd be taken away, taken out of that sphere.

Down to a lower sphere.

Peter/Angelo: And often you might go from the fourth sphere back to the first sphere. You don't always go back to the third sphere. Do you understand?

So you instantly receive the negative feedback associated with your resistance to pain.

Peter/Angelo: Yes, correct.

3.2. Discovering God's Truth after at-onement

Once you enter the at-onement condition, what does it feel like? That's what Mary was asking. There's obviously no more pain, so what does it feel like?

Peter/Angelo: The feeling is that you're continuing to grow and expand. Every time you're connecting to God, there's this feeling of growing within your soul and understanding more of what's actually happening. In the lower spheres you do not have the understanding of what's happening as it's going on, whereas in my state now you actually have the knowledge of knowing what's happening in that moment.

So there's almost anticipatory excitement with every single thing you receive?

Peter/Angelo: Yes, whereas when I was in the lower spheres I was simply taken and put there, not knowing in the moment why this was taking place.

And not realising that it was your soul's resistance to the pain that was causing you to go back each time. [01:03:15.12]

Peter/Angelo: Yes. For myself it was generally around two or three very specific emotions.

What were those emotions, Angelo?

Peter/Angelo: The first one was obviously the women, yes, and the second one was the lack of love I had for my father.

Right, so more like a resentment of your father, was it?

Peter/Angelo: Well, yes. I never saw my father as a father, and I resented the fact that I felt my childhood had been taken away from me.

And the third issue that you mentioned?

Peter/Angelo: The third one was the love of myself. I was happy to punish myself rather than feel love.

Very common issues for many of us. Does that answer the first question, Matt?

Participant: Yeah, absolutely.

3.3. Having a pure desire for God's Truth

What about the second?

Participant: The second is that I'm just wondering how many people are now in the Celestial Kingdoms.

Peter/Angelo: Firstly, I'd like to ask your reasoning for that question.

Participant: I'd say there's probably going to be an emotion under there. I heard Jesus say at one point that there are now forty billion souls alive, and I'm wondering what proportion of those people are in the Celestials.

And Angelo asked you why you want to ask that question.

Peter/Angelo: You see, the reason you're wanting to ask that question is that you don't trust God and the fact that God can look after everybody. If there was no one in the Celestials, God can still look after everybody. Do you understand that? We're simply connected to helping you all as messengers from God, but God can do that regardless of whether we're in the Celestials or not.

Participant: Well, why is it, though, that there are all these people on the Earth now that have the desire for truth and the willingness and the humbleness, but they're not receiving the truth yet?

Peter/Angelo: Because for many on Earth, they don't want the truth about God and they find it easier initially to talk to someone like myself rather than simply connect to God.

Yeah, I can't agree with your question at all, Matthew. You're basically saying that people on Earth have a desire to receive truth but they're not receiving it, and that's a physical impossibility. If a person has a true desire to actually receive truth, they will always receive it. [01:06:23.22]

Participant: Okay.

This is a question based on an illusion you have that there is a pure desire in many people and yet they're not receiving truth.

Participant: Okay, I think I heard something about it, but I must have really misunderstood what you were saying at the time.

The reality is that every single person who has a pure desire to receive truth receives the exact truth that they desire.

Participant: Straight away?

Immediately, and if we don't then the desire is not pure. Many on the Earth who believe they are following the teachings of truth are actually not following the teachings of truth; this is why they are not progressing. Everyone on Earth wants to believe in the illusion of progress; this is a big problem we have, we want to see ourselves as progressing when the reality is that many times we are not progressing. The main reason we are not progressing is not because of anything external to ourselves. [01:07:20.19]

Unfortunately, on Earth we all want the reason to be something external to ourselves. So basically we say to God, "I've got a good desire, why am I not getting what I want?" God's saying back to us, "Well, I'm sorry, but if you had a pure desire you would already be receiving what you want, so that tells me that you don't have a pure desire." That's what God is saying to us: "You do not have a pure desire because if you did you would already be receiving what you want."

This is very important to understand. If we believe we have a longing for the truth and yet we're not receiving the truth, it means we don't have a longing for the truth. We just believe we do, and that's a big difference to actually having one. Do you see the difference?

Participant: Yes, thank you. Thanks, Angelo.

Peter/Angelo: We want God to take the pain away.

We want to experience less pain, why? You're going to have to experience the pain you've got inside of you and release it. A lot of times we want God to help us have less pain, but God says, "No, no I want you to feel the pain that's already inside of you because nobody else can," so already we're out of harmony with the truth. This is the problem that we have on Earth; we're often out of harmony with the truth of how to grow. We have a concept in our mind but we're yet to understand in our heart how to actually do it. Does that make sense?

Participant: Yes. Thanks.

Peter/Angelo: And for yourself, Matthew, you still believe that God can't do everything.

God can give you all the truth you want, but you have to be in a place where you're wanting it in a pure sense. The instant you are, you'll get it. That applies to every single one of us.

Mary: That's the Law of Desire.

Participant: Yeah, the Law of Desire.

Yes. Want to take a break, Peter?

Peter: Yes.

Yes, bit of a headache?

Peter: No, I'm just getting tired.

No worries. Pete's struggling now, so we have to take a break for Pete.

4. Inaccuracies conveyed during mediumship

Before we get started, the first thing I want to point out to you is that channelling spirits, particularly spirits who are of a Celestial nature, is quite a difficult task and it's very dependent upon the condition of the individual as to what kind of information they receive. Now with Peter's channelling, there were some inaccuracies in the information that Peter received, and I can describe some of those inaccuracies. But we can firstly just discuss why the inaccuracy exists.

The inaccuracy mostly exists because of the emotional condition of the individual who's doing the channelling. You cannot assume that what is coming out of the individual's mouth is exactly what the spirit is saying. This is particularly true when the spirit's in a higher condition. The higher a spirit's condition, the more difficult it becomes to channel information to a person on Earth from that spirit. [01:11:14.19]

Now in Pete's case, a number of times Peter lost some of the connection with Angelo, and there was an intermediary spirit who relayed information from Angelo to Peter during those periods. Because of the need for an intermediary spirit, some of the information became inaccurate. Rather than going through what was accurate and what was not accurate, because that would take almost as much time as the mediumship itself, I would rather put to you that with everything that is spoken through a medium, you need to take into account the condition of the medium and, unfortunately, many of you are not doing that.

You're trusting almost every word that comes out of a medium when the person is claiming to channel a spirit, particularly a Celestial spirit or a spirit who's on the Divine Love Path. You're trusting every word coming out of the mouth of the medium many times, and often not understanding what's actually going on.

4.1. Intermediaries during channelling of spirits

Participant: AJ, what is the role of the intermediary? This is the first time I've heard of that.

The higher spirit can no longer communicate with you due to whatever emotion you are actually in at the time. There are often many intermediary spirits in different conditions already lined up by the higher spirit to continue communicating with you, and the hope is that you get back into the condition you were in previously where the higher spirits can speak with you. For example, let's say a spirit in the thirteenth dimension is talking to you; he will often have a spirit in the seventh dimension lined up, and one in the fifth and one in the third and even one in the second or first sphere - a spirit on the Divine Love Path - lined up to speak just in case his communication with you can't be established. [01:14:12.19]

Mary: That's about rapport.

Participant: Also you're saying that when the rapport breaks he can no longer be close to you?

He can no longer be close to you because of something inside of yourself. He's close in terms of space but he's not close in terms of what he can teach you or what he can tell you, so emotionally he's quite distant from you. At the moment, for example, in this auditorium many of you are emotionally distant from each other, even though you're sitting right next to each other. You are completely emotionally disconnected from each other. You can be in the same physical space but at the same time totally out of rapport with each other, not even understanding what your next door neighbour is thinking, feeling or expressing in any way. It's exactly the same for a spirit. A spirit can be sitting right next to you but be totally out of rapport with you because of the difference in their emotional condition and their condition in love compared to yours at that moment.

Participant: Ironically that would mean some intermediary spirit would carry the same wounds as you so he could communicate through that wound?

Correct. Often they do have wounds, but they're learning the process of how to release those wounds. However, often they have similar wounds and therefore there's a distortion of the higher spirit's communication through that wound.

4.2. Inaccuracies during Angelo's channelling

I can give one illustration of when Peter was channelling. When I started asking questions about where his soulmate was and the condition that Angelo himself is in, Peter's emotions started kicking in. That's when we started getting inaccurate information. Angelo is not in the fifteenth dimension, but this is something that Peter would like to believe is true. And his soulmate does not necessarily have the injury that Peter described. Those particular things come from some of Peter's feelings, and Peter's feelings about the world, and Peter's lady's feelings.

Participant: So in this case Angelo didn't lie, it just didn't come through because of the emotion?

Angelo is still telling the truth, or attempting to, but Peter cannot accurately hear it while that emotional injury exists. Do not assume that the spirit is the person at fault. We must always assume that it's our own condition that is causing the inaccuracy in communication, always. The spirit, even a spirit in a first sphere condition, is very rarely at fault in their communication with regard to what they believe to be true, but often what they believe doesn't get accurately reflected.

This is why many of you can visit a medium and they'll say, "This spirit says he's in the seventh dimension, he's this and that, this and that," but he's really in the hells of the first dimension. However we often believe he's in the seventh, and sometimes the person who's doing the mediumship believes it. The spirit may not believe he's in the seventh but sometimes the person doing the mediumship would like to believe he's in the seventh and that's why the spirit, the person, says all of those things. [01:17:40.27]

Mary: I feel that it requires a lot of humility on the part of the medium to be able to be open enough emotionally to feel the emotions of the spirits involved, because the minute that we can do that we very often get feedback that says, "What he says, that's wrong," or "I have to step back now." Rachel is often so direct with me that she will say, "I can't tell you the answer to that question because you don't want to know." We talked to her about the channelling I did last time we were here with Michael and she said, "Yes, Michael felt satisfied that he could share his personality with the group; however, there were many more things that he wanted to say, but we were limited to a certain scope by your desire." I felt the same thing with Angelo. I was feeling some things that Angelo was feeling, but because of some of Pete's fear, like, '"Oh I've got to do the thing," what he was open to became limited. Angelo could tell some things about his life, but there were other bigger things that he wanted to share as well.

For example, he wanted to share a lot about his feelings of compassion for people on the Earth, and he was unable to do that through Peter today. He wanted to share about his discovery of God a lot more, but he was unable to do that.

Peter: I'm still discovering God.

Mary: Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, he was unable to do that with Peter today. They are two very, very big areas that he would have loved to have shared more with you, but he's limited by Peter's feelings about those particular issues.

4.3. Experiencing emotions while channelling Celestial spirits

Participant: Mary, you said before that you feel the love of your Celestial guide, and you cry the whole time and go into grief. That happens to me with my guide. I just cry the whole time because there's just so much love and it's so beautiful. So probably am I not getting anything clear if I'm in grief?

You're getting more clarity than you would have been if you weren't in grief (laughs), but the reality is that obviously you're in your own emotions so you can't accurately reflect the information the spirit has. But that's a good thing; it's not a bad thing because you're at least allowing yourself to experience the grief of being loved. The reason you're experiencing grief is not that it's about being loved, it's about the comparison between that love and all the other loves you've experienced up to that point. While you're experiencing your own grief, of course it is quite self-involved in some ways. You're experiencing your emotions so it's very hard for them to then communicate. It's like if Mary started crying in front of you and I go, "But listen to this, listen to that," it's impossible, isn't it, for me to then transmit things through her to another person until the grief is calmed down to a degree. [01:21:05.09]

Participant: Well, she just keeps sending me the love constantly and I just keep crying.

Yeah, that's good.

Participant: And I'm trying to talk, trying to get messages.

You don't need to talk. (Laughter)

Participant: Yes, it may be better just to cry and not talk?

Yes, it would be better because if you just cried and didn't talk, and you just cried and cried and cried it out, then you would actually then be in a better space to talk after that, that's the reality.

Mary: And mediumship is not just about receiving information, is it? It's like in my relationship with AJ, we're not just having a mind discussion, are we? There's all this other stuff going on emotionally, and that to me is almost the core of the relationship. That is why I'm often more open to reflecting the spirit's personality than the specific messages - I value that emotional connection.

4.4. Inaccuracies during Angelo's channelling (continued)

Participant: With the explanation of the injury of Angelo's soulmate being angry with God for being unjust, which was incorrect, how does that come in? Is that an injury of the spirit who came to fill in for Angelo or is that an injury connected personally with Peter?

Firstly, a Celestial spirit doesn't have that injury. He was saying that his soulmate was in the twelfth dimension, which is way above the eighth, and she still has the injury of feeling that God is somehow unjust with what's happening on the Earth. The reality is that a Celestial spirit doesn't have that injury, so either that means that the spirit being described is not in the twelfth dimension or it means that there's something inside of Peter that's causing an inaccuracy of the information.

The most likely cause of the inaccuracy is something inside Peter. That is always the same with every medium who is on the Earth, unless that medium was at-one with God. The most likely cause of any inaccuracy in the information is the medium themselves, and we need to keep that in mind at all times.

Please don't feel that I'm condemning Peter here. Peter is in the process of developing his mediumship and also developing his soul. As he improves in his condition, his mediumship will automatically have more and more and more clarity. That's automatically going to be the case. We need to understand this as a growing process, not like "I'm hearing a spirit right now and that means that I'm 100% accurate 100% of the time and I'm getting really spot on information all the time." That is not the case. [01:24:08.12]

Also, by the way, if we make that assumption we don't understand the loving use of mediumship. We want to talk about that as a part of this process. Once we've introduced the other spirits, we'll start to engage our spirit friends in helping you understand the process of mediumship - what actually goes on during mediumship, why it's engaged, why God has allowed the process of spirits communicating with us, what can happen through this process, what loving things it provides to us, and what loving things it can also potentially provide to the spirits. We'll talk about it from both perspectives.

4.5. The emotional openness of mediums

Participant: AJ, I'm just a little bit confused about mediumship in general. My experience has been that often the most mediumistic people seem to be people with really, really deep injuries. The more injured you are, the more likelihood that there's going to be unclear channelling?

I can't agree that the mediums have the more severe injuries. However, there is a quality in the mediums that makes you feel that way and that is that a medium, generally, is more open to emotion that the average person. As a result, they are more open to their own emotional injuries than the average person. The average person is very intellectually-driven, therefore very closed to their own emotional injuries. As a result, they are also very closed to communication with spirits. The person who is very open to their own emotions, injuries or not, is often very open to the emotions of spirits and therefore very influenced by those emotions.

A person who is mediumistic generally has fewer blockages to receiving emotions from their external environment than a person who cannot do mediumship. They actually have one less emotional injury than the person who cannot do mediumship, but that doesn't mean they are free of emotional injuries. In fact, many times they are full of emotional injuries, just like any other person on the planet, but they are more open to the experience of the emotion itself and therefore more open to the communication. Does that make sense?

Participant: Yeah, kind of, I suppose.

4.6. Determining the authenticity of channellings

There's a fair bit of your judgement in that question, by the way.

Participant: Yeah, I get that, but I've just experienced a few times, particularly recently, where people supposedly channel their guides and maybe it is uninvited, just almost off the street.

Yeah, a guide would never channel to another person, a third party, without invitation, without the third party asking for some information, so it's not their guide. The medium is claiming it's their guide for some purpose.

Participant: I was just wondering about a question of ethics or integrity, with some people lying that, "my guide is telling me this right now," when the person hasn't asked for it.

There are no ethics at all in that and, therefore, highly unlikely that a Celestial spirit would be involved in the process. You see, a Celestial spirit is always ethical, they've learned the truth about morality and ethics. They are always ethical in every single dealing they have with every single individual, so if a person is channelling information uninvited to you, then they are not channelling a Celestial spirit because ethically the Celestial spirit wouldn't be involved in that process. Now the person might be claiming, "My guide's saying this," but the reality is that it's not their guide saying this. It's generally some very dark spirit who wants to interfere with the relationship between themselves and the other person, or somehow damage the other person by criticising them, or provide some untruth to the person. This is happening very commonly. [01:28:43.08]

Mary: Sometimes it is the truth.

Sometimes it is the truth, but often they get away with saying the truth that is not said with any love, and it's certainly not said with any morality; therefore, it is not a Celestial spirit saying it.

Participant: I guess it has confused me a little bit because I don't feel particularly mediumistic at this point, and those who I believe are or who seem to be connected with their guides come out with things which to me are quite unloving at times.

I agree completely. Many of the people who are supposedly channelling their guides who are meant to be Celestial spirits, are not channelling their guides, nor are they Celestial spirits; rather they are quite dark spirits who are attempting to manipulate people who are more trusting than they should be about the person in that process.

The key with any medium is to have a look at the medium's life. If the medium's life is a bit of a mess, then how can the medium themself really be channelling some high spirits unless they are in a place in that moment of complete contemplation, prayer, and connection with God, which is possible at moments of our lives, and in moments when we are in that space we can channel Celestial spirits. But to do so consistently would require some major changes in the person's life, morally and physically, and changes in their life from a spiritual perspective with regard to love and truth.

In reality there are many, many Earth-bound spirits who are looking for opportunities to mislead people on Earth, and many of you are falling prey to those opportunities because of your desire to believe you're channelling someone other than them. We need to address that, and there are ways that you can easily see that that is actually occurring if you're open to it from a humility perspective.

The reason we want to have this discussion is that there are many people around the world who are attempting to channel and to use their mediumship, but many of them are getting hooked up in the addictive use of mediumship rather than a pure loving use of mediumship and are therefore automatically attracting spirits who are of dark condition into the mediumship. Unfortunately they personally, the medium, are claiming that the dark spirits are not in a dark condition and then causing doubts in others about the information. [01:31:40.18]

We want to correct that by actually going through this process of seeing what the loving use of mediumship is, when our Celestial spirits would be involved in mediumship, and so forth. Many times claims are being made that Celestial spirits are involved in mediumship and there is not a Celestial spirit in sight of the person, let alone connected to the person. We need to understand why that's the case, and this is part of why we want to have today's discussion.

The reason we want to involve some spirits in the discussion is so that you can start seeing it from their perspective, what they see surrounding the person compared to what the person believes is surrounding them. If we could start doing that, we could find a lot of information about what's really happening. [01:32:41.26]

4.7. Attracting higher spirits to channel

Participant: My question is, in New Age thinking, with channelling I often call in an intention for a higher guidance. Does the same principle work with Divine Love? Can you call in higher guidance from a Celestial spirit? Not that you'll get that Celestial spirit. Can they block a lower energy or a lower spirit from the channelling?

Firstly, let's look at the part of the question about what often happens on the Natural Love Path with people who are channelling. Many times people who are channelling believe that they can put a sort of ball of protection around themselves and only channel certain spirits in that particular space. Unfortunately, the type of spirit that responds to that request is usually in the first sphere of the spirit world because they don't honour a person's free will in the spirit world. You often have a barrier of spirits around you, but they're all first sphere spirits preventing anybody else from connecting to the person in that particular request.

Many times the so-called request is of God, but the reality is that the soul condition of the medium always determines the truth of any request. If the soul condition of the medium is "I want to show off to you, I want to get some glory and attention and approval from you," and so on, then the true request is not towards God but rather it's toward a heap of spirits who will honour those requests. And so this so-called protective barrier is being maintained, but it's not being maintained by God or any spirit of any development; it's often being maintained by very dark spirits or spirits in the first dimension who have a very concrete set of belief systems, and who will only allow spirits with the same kinds of beliefs to communicate via the medium. Often a very, very damaging process is engaged.

Now in terms of our Celestial friends, and any spirit in fact on the Divine Love Path, they will always honour the free will at the soul level of the individual. "You can request God's protection while you're channelling, but if at the same time you've got the request of "I want to get some glory, and I want some attention, and I want some approval, and I want this neediness with this other person engaged, and I want some sexual energy as well," then that's the prayer. That's what you're going to get. You're going to get spirits in those conditions connecting with you.

For any request of God to actually be enabled, we have to request it from our heart, in a state of sincerity and truth, and this is where the majority of mediums on the Divine Love Path fail. They are not looking at their true soul request, they're just looking at their intellectual request. They're not feeling, "What do I really want in this transaction?"

Let's say Mary is the person coming to me for mediumship and I badly want some approval from a woman. That's my real emotion, then that's my prayer: "I want approval from this woman." Now a heap of spirits come who are going to say exactly what Mary wants to hear, exactly what she wants to hear, nothing that is going to challenge her very much. They'll put a little bit of truth in there so Mary thinks the rest of it would be truth. And then Mary gives me this great big emotion of how fantastic the mediumship was, and I feel really good and happy with myself, and isn't it wonderful, and now we've both had our addictions met, and do you think any Celestial spirit was involved in the whole process? No, none of them were. [01:36:46.28]

The Celestial spirit is of course looking at the process and going, "Well, how can we correct this process? How can we correct what's going on here?" But unfortunately, because we are so heavily in this co-dependent addiction with each other, it's highly unlikely that we're going to receive very much direction from them in that moment as to what's actually happening.

Participant: Yes, so you need desires strong enough within your heart for the Celestial spirit to unblock everything...

And remember desires can't be manufactured. Many of you believe you can manufacture desires. You believe you can say, "I want this to happen in this moment," when the reality is that your desires are with you in every moment, and it's the desires that are with you in every moment that will have the most impact upon who's going to come to you during mediumship.

Now there are moments that you can raise your condition by having extra faith. For example, if you spent a morning praying and you've dealt with some emotions, you did a bit of crying and you released some emotions about your mum, and then you read some of the R J Lees material, or the Padgett Messages, and that helped you feel in a really good space, then your desires and condition are temporarily in a higher condition. In that moment you have the potential of receiving different types of information.

Mary: Because the rapport is stronger. It's not necessarily that the Celestial spirit is not blocking other spirits, it's just that your own condition is more open to their condition. Celestial spirits will never impact on the free will of anyone, so if our will is not in harmony with a loving desire, they can't override that. But they also won't override the will of other spirits.

The other thing that will happen with a Celestial spirit is that he or she will not feed your addiction when you're in an addiction. In the previous example I gave where I'm in this addiction of wanting approval from women, even if I were in a relatively good space where I could normally channel my Celestial friends, in this moment I'm not going to be able to channel my Celestial friends because they will not wish to feed my addiction for the woman's approval. They will in fact wish to confront that addiction and help me work through it somehow. [01:39:21.22]

Often many of you in your private mediumship sessions are claiming that you're channelling Celestial spirits and many times the spirits you're actually channelling are not even second sphere spirits. Because they use the words of Divine Truth, which is relatively easy for a spirit to do, all they've got to do is listen to you talk for ten minutes or read a bit of your mind for ten minutes and go, "Yeah, they like the word 'truth,' they like the word 'love,' they like the word 'free will,' they like this word, they like that word, they like the word 'emotion.' If I just trigger an emotion in them, if I use that other word they like, and somehow I get them to connect, I can say a whole lot of untruth to them and they'll believe me."

4.7.1. Celestial spirits honour free will

Participant: I've seen around here in Armidale people in a conversation, and suddenly somebody's guide jumps into a conversation. Now is that fishy?

It's not only fishy; it's not their guide.

Participant: Okay (laughs), so that's fishy.

It's impossible that it's their guide because their guide would announce their presence. Their guide would also be looking at whether the people there really wanted to talk to them in that particular moment and there would be a question, "Do you want to hear from me?" Like, "I'm such and such, do you want to hear from me?" There would also be a feeling of love coming from them in the moment that they say what they are saying. Many times none of those things are happening.

Participant: Right. There was a gathering recently at Miriam's place and I think Dave was in a mediumship with another person, and I noticed there was this presence in the room and it was very ... I can't tell if it was very big or very pushy. I was kind of mentally rationalising and going, okay, there's this Divine Celestial spirit in the room so maybe it's trying to squeeze itself in the living room and it's really intense, or am I just feeling something else where it's just a little bit like...

Celestial spirits are amongst the most gentle people that you could ever know. They are never pushy.

Participant: Right. I was having a conversation with somebody else and the feeling I had was I had to stop this conversation and listen to them even though my desire was actually just to continue having a conversation with them and let them have their own thing.

Exactly. It's highly unlikely it's a Celestial spirit. We can go through a lot of the actual events in a future session because I feel in this particular discussion I'd like to cover the general principles, and we've got the opportunity of having a few spirits putting in their ideas of what's really going on and presenting what they observe to you. [01:42:42.10]

4.8. Maintaining a rapport with higher spirits

Mary: Can we just clarify? Peter has a desire to serve with his mediumship, and I'm reflecting here for both of us, but then fear comes up for us. Then the rapport lessens between our guide and us on Earth where it might be stronger under different circumstances, say if no one else was in the room.

When Mary and I are talking together and we're talking to some spirits, often the connection is very, very good because Mary's not worried about you and what you think and what you feel, she's just connected to the person.

Mary: But because sometimes that rapport is lessened, sometimes an intermediary steps in to assist with that process. It doesn't mean that there's no Angelo in the equation, it just means that it's being filtered a little bit through some other people.

Peter: For myself just at the end where I said I've got to stop, it's like at that point I was tired. You're not tired when you're really connected. I was trying to push it, and I knew then that I've just got to stop.

Yeah, and we can be tired for many reasons too. Maybe we're now trying to do something that isn't easily flowing. It could also be we're tired because we haven't drunk enough water, and when we're channelling spirits who are of higher condition, they burn up the moisture in our body very, very rapidly and we need to have a lot of water. There are quite a number of physical reasons why we might be tired as well.

5. Channelling of the Celestial spirits Rachel and Timothy

Okay, well shall we meet Rachel and Timothy?

Mary/Rachel: Hello, brother and friends. It is a joy to be here and I merely wish to say that we will be happy to discuss our life on Earth and after our passing and our many adventures in the spirit world, but we also feel sincerely that we wish to discuss this very important topic of the loving use of mediumship.

Perhaps you could give us a brief summary of your life? I know that it's very difficult for two thousand years of life. (Laughs) Then perhaps we can proceed with questions about what you observe with regard to the loving or unloving use of mediumship on the planet generally, and also what's happening with regard to many people who are associated with the Divine Love Path. [01:46:13.05]

Mary/Rachel: Certainly; this will be our pleasure and we will also be guided by your questions.

5.1. Rachel and Timothy's life on Earth in the first century

Perhaps if we could just begin with a brief summary of your life; how does that sound?

Mary/Rachel: Certainly. This is Rachel and I will speak predominantly today for the purposes of keeping things succinct. Timothy would also like to meet you all; however, at this point the rapport is best with myself so we will continue in this way.

Mary/Rachel: I lived in the first century and I was fortunate to know this brother and sister who are before you today. I feel that my life was a very fortunate one in that I came to know them both in this very special time on the Earth, but also that I was able to begin to explore and develop my relationship with God while I was still on the Earth plane. This was very rare for most people in this time and for many people even now, you would agree. This most beautiful of relationships is often neglected as the condition of the Earth sits in a lower sphere and one where people become very engrossed with survival, what they perceive to be the needs of survival. This was the case at the time when I lived in the first century. However, I was the youngest of three daughters and we lived in a rural area. There was no pressure upon me to marry. Because I was the youngest, I would care for my parents.

Normally in the first century daughters would, if they were the eldest, have to marry? And if they were the youngest it didn't matter either way because you've got to get them to look after you as parents. Is that how it worked? [01:48:22.29]

Mary/Rachel: In some ways, yes, it resembled this. Because there were no males in my family group it would seem as well that I should remain in the home with my mother, and as my sisters grew, each married and everyone was most comfortable for me to remain in the home and care for my now aging parents.

Mary/Rachel: I was twenty-two and still unmarried when I was fortunate to meet you, brother, as you passed through our town. It was very rare in this time for any woman to consider God in any real way. Worship was the role of men, and in many ways we were to obey the men. Through this we were assured of our purity, of our worthiness, so it was very unusual for me to be drawn to be in the company of these men who were travelling through our village. However, I was entranced and enraptured with the words that were spoken and so shocked that I would be able to remain in their company while they spoke of such things.

If I can give a bit of background: in the first century when men began discussing religious matters or matters about God, women were usually asked to leave, and it was very unusual for a woman to be asked to stay and listen, or even be allowed to stay and listen.

Mary/Rachel: What occurred for me then was a deep change within my heart. I recognised what I now know to be a deep passion for God that was a part of my nature. Over the course of a number of months I confronted many issues within my family home and I left my family home.

Which would have been quite difficult.

Mary/Rachel: This was quite an extreme measure for any woman to take, but amongst your group as you will remember, there were one or two other older women who did not have the ties of family or obligation, many of whom were widows or outcasts from society. I began to know them and recognised that, although it would be flying in the face of social propriety, perhaps my life could be led in a different way, and I left under the cover of night to join this group and follow and learn as best I could for the time that you remained on Earth.

If you could, explain how soon it was after I began to publicly preach that you met me.

Mary/Rachel: I believe that it was five years after you began your public ministry. I tend to recall this in terms of the years before your at-onement; you were but one year before your at-onement

Could you just perhaps explain to people? I know many of them have a misunderstanding about when I truly began my public ministry compared to when I became at-one with God. Most of the time when I've been talking to the audience I've been describing to them when I became at-one with God, but I actually began preaching to people before then. [01:52:49.28]

Mary/Rachel: We may say that after your at-onement things became far more public (laughs), but you were almost a boy in your early twenties when you began to talk of the truth of God with others. You had decided to leave the proper way of society at a young age. At the time that I met you, of course, I was unaware that you were incomplete in the process of at-onement, for already there was a deep magnetism from your soul, there was a deep draw to the issues of truth and love which you already displayed.

I began to follow in this travelling lifestyle and we were supported by others as we travelled, but also I worked hard. I was no stranger to hard work, having worked to support the workings of our household, as my mother had been ill in later years. I suppose there are very many things I could say about this time, but I'm conscious perhaps that we should remain with the punctuating points.

I think also, though, it's nice to have people feel a bit of your personality and nature in the process.

Mary/Rachel: Certainly.

In summary, you met me when I was around thirty years of age and I'd already been preaching for over five years at that time?

Mary/Rachel: Yes, this is the case, and as I stated previously, I feel that my life was a very fortunate one in that I came to understand many Truths of God by simply sitting and listening on many occasions with you and observing the way in which you dealt with life and other people. I have always considered myself to be a person of integrity, and I learned many more things surrounding the issues of integrity in the time that I walked with you.

Mary/Rachel: Of course, one of the major reasons that I am here speaking with you today is that I became a deep personal friend of your soulmate, Miriam, when she joined our group. She suffered largely with many other members of the group because of her past, and yet I found her quite easy to love. Although our backgrounds had been very different, we shared a common passion for life, for growth and for God, and these were things that I recognised in her immediately while others saw many other damaged parts. (Mary is crying.)

Mary/Rachel: I am laughing now as she cries because I feel a deep sense of gratitude for my relationship with her, although she would say that she owes me the gratitude. We became firm friends and we spent much time together. During this time I also met my soulmate, Timothy. When we first met we did not recognise each other as soulmates; however I felt a deep attraction to him. One of the reasons that I had not married was that I carried a deformity from birth and I was not considered to be a beautiful woman in the day. Although I resembled Miriam quite strongly in terms of stature and hair colour, my face was somewhat distorted, and for this reason I never regarded myself as an attractive woman, nor did I seek the company of men in any romantic way. (Mary pauses and cries a little)

A lot of this stuff's emotional for Mary because she's still going through the emotions relating to our first century lives.

Mary: Okay, can you ask me, please? I'm just trying to control it, sorry.

So yourself and Mary were very, very good friends and you eventually met Timothy. You felt an attraction to Timothy. Did you feel that Timothy felt an attraction to you?

Mary/Rachel: Not initially. He was a young man who was also drawn to study. He felt that he would be with you for a short time to study the teachings that you delivered. He was uninterested in me because of the way that I appeared. However, over time a friendship grew between us.

Is this the same Timothy who is in the Bible and who Paul travelled with?

Mary/Rachel: Yes, yes, and we had grown close. However, circumstances parted us. As you are aware, at the time of your death, Miriam was some months pregnant and it was decided amongst the men that I should travel with her in order to accompany her to a place of safety. This was a time of deep grief and trauma for all of us, and Timothy and I were parted for what we saw as a more important cause, and so it was not until his passing some many years later, some many years following my own passing, that we were reunited in the spirit world.

Obviously Miriam wants to skip over the details of your own passing, and perhaps we can raise that another time, but once you arrived in the spirit world, which was before Miriam arrived in the spirit world, what happened then? [02:02:19.06]

Mary: I'm sorry I've got to go and cry. Sorry, everyone. (Mary leaves).

Mary just needs to go and cry.

I can maybe describe a bit of what Mary is finding difficult to describe. Rachel left Timothy in Jerusalem and she travelled with Mary and some men who had decided to travel to Egypt where Mary gave birth to our daughter, Sarah. A few days after Mary gave birth to our daughter, Sarah, the Roman army caught up with them in Egypt. It was decided amongst the men that Rachel would be left behind in Egypt and they would secretly put Mary and our daughter, Sarah, onto a ship and have them sail northwest across to Malta, Cyprus, and then to France. Rachel was caught and tortured to death by the Roman army and she died within a very short period of time after being left behind in Egypt. Timothy was still in Israel and he didn't hear of her passing for some time. Rachel passed into the spirit world. Of course she was welcomed by myself and other people who knew her, and she had the opportunity to grow in the spirit world quite rapidly because she'd already had a strong desire for God on Earth.

The Loving Use of Mediumship: Part 2

6. Rachel and Timothy's life on Earth in the first century (continued)

All through that time Timothy was still on Earth, and because of his feelings of the loss of his soulmate, he had a lot of grief in himself to feel. He finished up spending most of his time travelling around Europe and the Middle East, talking about the truth to others. Because of his connection with his soulmate, he never re-married after that, and he died nearly thirty years after Rachel. That gives you a bit of background about Rachel and Timothy. They were personal acquaintances of myself and Mary; they were very close friends, so they can tell you many things about myself and Mary, about life in the first century, about the things they experienced, about the things that we actually did say that are not recorded in the Bible, and so forth. But we'll have to leave all of those things for another day.

7. The use of mediumship to transmit new truths to Earth

We would like to cover four or five particular things with regard to the loving use of mediumship. The first thing we'd like to talk about with you is the underlying reason why God opened communication between spirits and mortals.

The primary reason God opened communication between people in the spirit world and people on Earth is so that the people who were of development in the spirit world could pass new truths to people on Earth.

7.1. The history of mediumship

This had been opened many, many years ago. When I say many years ago, this ability to communicate between spirits and people on Earth began almost 120,000 years ago. As a result of the ability to communicate, the Earth went through many changes; some of them were quite good changes and others were quite difficult changes. Every time spirits in the spirit world got into a space of hearing new truths, they usually tried to find a person on Earth that they could transmit this truth to. And once they found the person on Earth that they could transmit the truth to, they spent some time with the person developing them emotionally so that they could receive those truths that the person in the spirit world had discovered.

Once they did that, the person on Earth began what you would now call a religious movement. Every single religious movement, and in fact every single religious thought that ever began on Earth, began from somebody in the spirit world communicating it to a person on Earth. Unfortunately, of course, many times the communication was inaccurate. Sometimes accurate things were transmitted while at other times inaccuracies were transmitted. Of course all of these spirits were in a natural love condition of varying types so, for example, when a spirit was raised into a second sphere condition and discovered a whole new set of truths that nobody had previously discovered, that spirit generally had a strong desire to communicate those truths to others in the spirit world and others on Earth. Usually they tried to develop a person on Earth who could receive that communication. [00:04:12.14]

Now the reason Michael, who you call Michael the Archangel, is a very common person in terms of knowledge in New Age circles, but also in the Bible, is that from the second to the sixth dimension he was often one of the first persons who reached that new condition . Michael has always had a very, very strong desire to share knowledge that he discovered with other people, so he would often try to find a person on Earth and mentor that person into a condition where that person could transmit some of these truths to Earth. Once the person got into a certain kind of condition where Michael could transmit those truths, then Michael would encourage the person to spend time channelling information, as we call it now. Back in his day it was often called prophecy or doing things prophetically, but he would transmit this information to people on Earth. Often he would select a person specifically for that particular task, a person who was a bit more open and also a person who had a bit more courage than the rest of society because it would require courage to transmit new truths to a society that was resistive to those truths.

One of the primary purposes of mediumship at this point in human history was the sharing of information between a person from the spirit world, who had learned or gathered that information, to a person on Earth. Of course the person on Earth had to be of a specific development to receive that information. That was the underlying limitation with regard to the transmission of the truth. So that's purpose number one. [00:06:05.22]

7.2. The role of mediumship in cycles of progression and degradation on the Earth

With any ability that we on Earth have, there is also the ability to misuse it, and this applies to the gift of mediumship. We often misuse mediumship on the planet for many different reasons; most of them of course having to do with our emotional addictions, so an unloving use of mediumship began at the same time. The unloving use of mediumship involved spirits, who were often quite Earth-bound, communicating to people on Earth and instigating people on Earth into acts that would damage their moral and emotional condition. Unfortunately, while some individuals on Earth improved in their condition because of the openness to communicating with spirits, many people on Earth degraded their condition. Often the degradation of this condition would occur over thousands of years, often up to 16,000 years. These cycles of degradation would occur, and eventually an event would occur on Earth - what we would call an Earth change event.

When God's waves of Love were increasing, and the disharmony between God's waves of Love and the condition of the people on Earth was quite large, those disharmonies would cause a series of events to occur that would affect the Earth itself, and many people on Earth would pass into the spirit world. There would be some people left on Earth after those events, and the ones left were often people who were more open to connecting with the Earth itself and connecting to living in a more natural way. So a cycle began again where eventually those people would grow in their connection with the planet, they would grow in their knowledge, but unfortunately, once they grew in their knowledge and their condition, they were more open to spirit influence. When they became more open to spirit influence, sometimes that influence was quite negative because of the previous generations of spirits that had passed. That then often influenced the cycle back down again into the poor condition of the hells, and the Earth would then go through another period of upheaval.

As Michael pointed out to you in a previous channelling, from the time that he has been alive, we have been through seven of those cycles of improvement and degradation, improvement and degradation, on the Earth.

On one hand the improvement has occurred through the opening of the ability to communicate with spirits in higher development, but the degradation occurs because God doesn't limit a particular gift to one type of individual. As a result, many people in the spirit world and on Earth have used the gift negatively and have therefore caused the degradation on the planet as well so we go through these cycles that don't need to occur, but they occur because of the misuse of mediumship. [00:09:55.14]

One of the primary reasons we go through these negative cycles on Earth is the misuse of mediumship. Can you see how important this is? Many people on Earth, many people even right now who are involved in mediumship on Earth, have no understanding of the responsibility that mediumship entails. It has the ability to either greatly improve the condition of people on Earth or to severely negatively affect the condition of people on Earth.

Would you like to ask any questions about that?

7.3. Religious restraints upon mediumship

Participant: Thank you very much for this topic. Is that why in the Bible they basically discouraged mediumship? With a lot of Christian religion it's "You're communing with the devil," and was that just a way of stopping this degradation perhaps?

Yes. Unfortunately, many of the so-called natural laws that are now contained in the Bible and other holy books began initially because of the concerns that some individuals, who weren't affected by the negative use of mediumship at the time, had with the use of mediumship. Instead of refining the heart of the individual to improve mediumship, they decided to make a series of laws that would control mediumship.

There were two motives for this. One of the motives was to try to improve the use of mediumship. Unfortunately by saying, "No, there's a ban on it altogether," they're saying that any person who uses mediumship is classified as an individual who is under the influence of evil forces and historically many of them were put to death. Laws were initially created that caused many mediums to be put to death, which of course highly discouraged mediumship.

But there was another motive, too. The secondary motive was the motive of spirits in dark condition who were trying to prevent the transmission of truth to the Earth. Many of those spirits realised that some people on Earth who were involved in mediumship, who we often refer to as the prophets of old, were of quite good moral development. They had quite a lot of personal integrity, they had a lot of personal honesty, they were of good development, they weren't sexually permissive, they had quite a lot of good moral development that enabled them to connect to spirits who were of a higher condition. They channelled a lot of material that was completely opposite to what these darker spirits wanted to see channelled. Blocking mediumship through these laws aided the darkness to prevail. In other words it stopped the transmission of good information to the Earth. So that was a secondary purpose. [00:13:53.24]

Unfortunately the so-called "priesthood" then gained control of almost all religions on the planet. When I say the priesthood, these are people who believed that they were the intermediaries between God and men and that they could determine by force, by violence, what the people were allowed to receive or not receive. By the time that myself and Mary were born in the first century, this priesthood was firmly established, and it's always about control. It's always about control.

There was an underlying positive reason initially why people put a ban on mediumship altogether, not that there is anything positive that ever came from it. But in this process, there was also a negative response: no truth could now be easily channelled to the planet without the person having the threat of death upon their head. After that many people who channelled became recluses. They pulled away from society. They channelled a lot of information that was truthful, but they didn't give it to society because of the fear of their own death.

Participant: So that's where the courage aspect comes in that you're talking about?

Yes. There is a great need for courage when it comes to living in harmony with truth, and unfortunately many people who have heard truth in the past through this mediumship connection have not had the courage to give that information to others because of personal threats made upon them that would in most instances have resulted in their own death.

7.4. Cycles of progression and degradation on the Earth

Participant: I think I've heard you say that the general collective soul condition of humanity is actually better now than certain times in the past.

No, I haven't necessarily said that. I've said that the collective response to the investigation of truth is definitely better than it has been in the past. However, the collective moral condition of humanity right at this moment is much worse than it has been in times in the past. [00:16:23.26]

Participant: Okay. So over those sixteen periods of up and down...

Seven periods of 16,000 years each, so 130,000 years or so.

Participant: ... there hasn't been a slow increase in the soul condition of humanity?

There was an initial degradation in the condition of humanity where it went down into such a poor condition that the average person on Earth lived from twenty to thirty years of age. That was the full extent of their life on Earth, and they passed in a condition where they were little better than an animal in terms of what they would understand with regard to truth. Once spirits had reached the sixth dimension of the spirit world, from that point on humanity began a very slow rise of condition over a period of time through the channelling of information that was more positive coming from the spirit world. Now bear in mind that this is the condition of openness to truth, not necessarily the moral condition.

In times past, humanity reached a very, very good moral condition before some of these major cataclysmic events occurred, such a good moral condition that some spirits could even materialise on Earth, but unfortunately the spirits who materialised on Earth caused the degradation of Earth again, and it went downhill very rapidly after that. We've had these cycles occurring like this, but there has been a general improvement over tens of thousands of years to such a point that many of us can speak openly like we are speaking today, where sixty or seventy people can meet together openly and discuss matters of truth that are generally quite confronting to the world around us but we can do it in relative safety without somebody coming in and murdering us. That's not always been possible in the past. [00:18:47.17]

7.5. Witches and mediumship

Participant: At the time of the witches there was a lot of murdering of women. Were there also very dark spirits involved in that time?

Yes. This cycle that I have described to you, with dark sprits and bright spirits influencing the planet, has happened many times through history, and the Dark Ages was one of these times. Our presence on Earth in the first century caused a lot of light to appear on the Earth. Unfortunately, that light got distorted over a period of a few hundred years to such a point that certain people, the priesthood again, took control of this light and then packaged it in a manner that was out of harmony with truth. In the process of packaging it, they put into place some specific rules, some of them relating to mediumship. One of the rules was that if you were a medium, you were an agent of the devil; they discouraged prophecy through that process.

Around three hundred or so of these general rules were placed upon the Christian society - although I wouldn't call it very Christian because many of the people were highly violent and war-mongering. The rules created what I suppose you would call a blackout. There was a deep blackout of spirit communication for many, many hundreds of years.

These women were later called witches and generally burned alive, or they had what were called tests put upon them, which were nearly impossible to survive. If you did survive the test, you were said to be an agent of the devil and you were murdered anyway. If you died during the test, you were said to be innocent, but you died anyway, so either way there wasn't much hope of new truth being given to the Earth during that time.

7.6. Mediumship during the Reformation

Of course many of our spirit friends, including ourselves during that time, were trying to enlighten people on Earth, and this began to happen during what's called the Reformation. During the late 1400s, early 1500s, we managed to connect to spiritual people, learned men, and we helped them read some of the verses in the Bible that pertained to love. Many of them started to discover truths about love as a result, and they decided to start new religious faiths that were more loving than the past ones. Many of them died through this process but the fortunate thing that occurred during it was that more truth was able to be given to the Earth. Therefore, instead of the Catholic religion maintaining its hold upon the Christian faith, we had dispersal of many faiths occur from that point in time, all of which started to incorporate principles of love into the faith. This improved the condition of humanity on the Earth.

7.7. Mediumship and innovation on Earth

Can you see how mediumship has been a very, very important part of the development of truth upon the planet, a very important part? It has also been a very important part of the development of a lot of what we would call iniquities on the planet, a lot of very negative events on the planet. Here's a gift, a potential that all of us have to communicate with spirits; it can be used for a huge amount of good or it can be used for a huge amount of bad. The question that we have to sincerely ask ourselves is, "If we're performing mediumship for other people, are we performing it for good or bad?" Can you see that? [00:23:20.07]

Mary: Rachel was just saying to me that mediumship is happening all the time, everywhere amongst all of us, that many of the great discoveries on Earth - inventions, music, construction, many things - have been inspired by the guidance of spirits. She was saying, though, that the reason that happens so effectively is that often a person's will and desire is in harmony with love and a desire for more truth. She's saying that it often gets very murky when we start to formally do mediumship because there are other emotions that come into play, but if we remember that the initial focus of a pure will or a pure desire is what usually enables the most purity in mediumship, then that would ensure that we are all great mediums when we try to do it formally.

Participant: I know I have an error in this but I want to ask. The concept of new ideas and inspiration, does all of that come from spirits or can we actually think up new things ourselves?

The answer is quite obvious, isn't it? What's the answer? If a new idea can come from a spirit, then a new idea can certainly come from yourself, because isn't a spirit just a person? New ideas can come from any individual who's ever been created, whether they are living on Earth or in the spirit world. Unfortunately, most of the new ideas that happen on Earth are not our own because we are emotionally blocked to the inspirational parts of ourselves, the creative parts of ourselves, so a lot of the new ideas that happen on Earth are actually transmitted to us from spirits. However, in the spirit world almost every new idea that's ever conceived comes from the heart of a person in the spirit world. That includes the whole understanding of Divine Truth, which came from mine. Every person is totally capable of having inspiration come from within themselves, but to do that you have to be in quite a pure space when it comes to your creative desires. The problem that we have on Earth is that most of us are not in a pure space when it comes to our creative desires and therefore we often need to have inspiration from an external source.

All of you are totally capable of discovering something new that nobody else has ever discovered, which is awesome, isn't it? All of us are totally capable of influencing other people with our discovery, which is basically what a spirit does when he discovers something new. He goes, "Ooh, I've discovered that new thing. Ooh, it would be really handy down there on Earth. (Laughs) So let's go and talk to... oh, there's somebody, I'll talk to him, he's pretty open to that."

7.7.1. An example of Nikola Tesla

For example, a lot of the truths about electrical transmission of energy came from mediumship. Tesla was a man who was instrumental in a lot of those truths because spirits were constantly talking to him. If you read his biography you'll find that he was being influenced by spirits of all different types all the time; people around him were often quite confused by him; he frequently seemed quite disturbed because of the demand of different influences he was under at the time. [00:27:42.00]

But he had a passion to discover new things, and in engaging his passion, spirits came to him and helped guide those passions into something that was positive. In fact, right now we're using electrical energy in the manner that he discovered. We're using what's called alternating current, a form of energy here in our auditorium. Before he discovered the use of that there was only direct current, so he was an instrumental part in how we live life today.

Participant: And he hasn't been forgotten because very recently there was a new song written about him and the line says, "Nikola, we've got to make a difference." It's just been released fairly recently, so he hasn't been forgotten at all.

He was in quite a good space in the sense that he desired to improve humanity's condition through the use of energy. This is one reason he could connect with spirits who had completely different ways of looking at electrical energy to what were the pervading beliefs on Earth at the time. He was also very, very concerned about the transmission of free energy; he felt that the world would greatly benefit from free energy. Unfortunately, due to a number of different things that happened, we now have metered energy where people charge you for the delivery of energy.

7.7.2. Examples of using innovative ideas in unloving directions

Participant: He also had schematics at least for something called a death ray. Would that have been his own stuff or would that be lower spirits also jumping on the bandwagon?

Almost every person who has ever been inspired by spirits in a positive direction has generally at some point in their life also been inspired by spirits in a negative direction. In fact, many scientific discoveries have been completely inspired by very, very dark spirits. For example, mankind needed to discover things like radioactive material and the splitting of the atom; we needed to discover those kinds of things for our own progress. However, many dark spirits got involved in the discovery of those particular things and, of course, its first use was not to do with the production of energy, but rather with destroying quite a few hundred thousand people. Very sad, but that was the first use of the negative transmission of information from the spirit world about radioactivity and atomic information.

Participant: In that case, is someone like Einstein soul-wise held responsible at all for E = mc2?

Is Einstein held responsible?

Participant: Yeah, because he was part of that process of making the knowledge available.

No, I don't see the relationship. I think you're being quite distorted how you see things if you feel that way. Einstein had a very pure desire to see peace on the Earth. He discovers a scientific truth that, because of his love for people, he gives to others. They then begin using it in a negative manner. How could he be held responsible for that? Can you see that your fear is in that question? [00:31:27.11]

Participant: Yeah, sure.

You're afraid of discovering something new and giving it to someone else, and then they use it badly and then somehow you'll be to blame.

Participant: Yeah.

Right, and that's not the case. Does that make sense?

Participant: Yeah, that happened actually.

God attributes the results to the people who make the decisions out of harmony with love, not to the people who make the decisions in harmony with love. Right now you could discover a scientific truth that has the potential to destroy half the population. But if you give that scientific truth to the world from a condition of love, then you are completely absolved from anything to do with how the world then uses that particular information.

So can we see that there is a responsibility with the use of mediumship? Every one of us has the ability to connect with spirits, and many of us do so on a daily basis, as Rachel pointed out. Many of you are not even aware when you're connecting to spirits; you don't call it "mediumship," you just call it, "Ah, I've come up with a good idea." Or "Ah, that was a wonderful idea, that happened really well; my soul's pretty powerful," when it's not actually your soul but somebody in the spirit world helping you out. Many times we do take credit for something that we believe is ourself when in reality it's a spirit who's actually given us, or helped us with, that information. [00:33:02.04]

8. Mediumship from the perspective of Celestial spirits

The key thing now that we'd like to discuss with you is what the spirits who are of a higher condition see when they see many of you engaging in mediumship.

I've described to you in the past how it is like a cord of energy that's coming out of you with every unhealed emotion that you have. Remember I've described it to you as like a hook, like tentacles going out waiting to engulf somebody. If the other person is accepting of the tentacles that I've got going out, then "bang," that person is in the engulfment of this emotional addiction.

8.1. Colours of energy emanating from mediums that are visible to spirits

We would now like to describe to you what some of these hooks look like, how our spirit friends see them, and how you can begin to see what's really going on in many cases. Let's say a person has a pure desire for mediumship. What colour does that look like coming out of the soul of the person?

Mary: We'll see how accurate we are - let's both get a colour.

Peter: I get an orange.

Mary: I get like a pinky corally kind of a colour.

It's an orange coral sort of colour. Let's say the desire for mediumship is now tinged with the desire for glory or power - what does it look like now?

Mary: Well, it immediately loses its brilliance.

It no longer is this bright corally pinky orange colour.

Mary: It becomes a murky brown, like khaki kind of colour.

So there is a difference between those colours. What we need to understand is that as soon as something is tinged with an emotion that's out of harmony with love, it turns from this beautiful bright brilliant colour into this murky, totally different type of colour, and the spirit sees the difference. If you're a spirit who's motivated only by purity, what colour would you be on the lookout for? You'd be on the lookout for the coral orangey pink colour, wouldn't you? If you were a spirit who was only interested in the misuse of the mediumship and the addictive use of it, what colour would you be looking for? You'd be looking for that murky colour. Can you see the difference? [00:37:20.16]

Mary/ Rachel: Rachel's just saying that it's as if there are many Celestial beings surrounding Earth always waiting for the opportunity to connect with one of you, and it is not so much that we seek the colour but we are attracted to the colour. It is always with great joy that we are able to connect, to take that opportunity to connect. Sadly, very often, it is a colour that changes quickly. Often it is when people are in a deep sense of crisis or despair and their desire for truth becomes far more clear that we are able to connect very strongly.

Mary/ Rachel: Sadly, for many of you the colour exists and glimmers for moments, but because of the unwillingness to experience or even to acknowledge the impurities in your desires, it quickly shifts; the colour becomes distorted very quickly and changes more to a murkier colour.

With the murkier colour, what do you feel?

Mary/Rachel: Just as the brilliant colour of the pure desire has a feeling, a warmth and an attraction for us, the sudden change in colour is like a slamming of a door; it is cold, harsh and we are repelled.

8.2. Smells associated with different soul conditions

There is also a smell associated with each colour in the spirit world. We could try to describe it. I know it's difficult, but the smell associated with the pure desire for mediumship...

Mary/Rachel: This is very difficult. I will give a crude analogy because as you are aware the sense of smell is so heightened and complex here in spirit form, but if we may crudely say that the pure desire for truthful and loving spirit connection would resemble the smell of rose petals. The opposing addictive desire smells putrid, like rotting fruit, rotting food, rotting matter.

What type of spirit would be attracted to the rotting food smell and colour?

Mary/Rachel: Sadly, this would be our brothers and sisters who live in conditions of darkness surrounding the Earth, those who wish to avoid their deepest pains and shames, ones who try to avoid this smell or sense about themselves through connecting with others.

Participant: Rachel, does that mean that each of those dimensions actually smells like those colours all the time, if everybody's matching that level?

Mary/Rachel: Yes. If you could imagine each sphere that we traverse as a complete sensory experience. It not just has a smell or a sight, but our own spirit bodies feel particular ways within these spheres that we traverse during our development. So, yes, those in hellish conditions experience a smell around them, but also they feel repulsed by the smell of their own condition. The condition reflected around a person is indicative of their own soul and spirit condition. They perceive the smell as coming from their surroundings, but in fact it belongs to their own condition.

Participant: Would that not be something that would start to stimulate them to change?

Mary/Rachel: As with everything in God's universe, all things are geared toward the stimulus of change towards love.

But if you want to believe that it's something outside of yourself that's creating that smell, then you're probably not going to look at yourself first, are you? [00:42:32.29]

Mary/Rachel: Many of you would prefer to look at things outside of yourselves and blame them for the sadness and unhappiness that you feel. This is not a condition you need to use while you have a physical body. After passing, that same injury stays with many people and they prefer to blame their surroundings for their discomfort, for the smell, for their lack of peace and happiness when, as you rightly point out, God has designed everything such that we would begin to look within us to what injury may be creating these situations.

The whole universe is geared for you to look internally, but unfortunately the majority of us are very resistive to that, and whenever anything's unpleasant, we blame something externally.

8.3. The experience of visiting the hells from a Celestial spirit's perspective

Participant: Is it difficult for a Celestial spirit to enter the hells to try and help?

Mary/Rachel: No. Let me be more detailed in this answer. It is true that the conditions within the hells are in very much discord with our own condition. We do not resonate with anything within the hells once we have reached such a closeness with God, so it's not our desire to be there just to pass the time. (Mary laughs) It is a loving desire that draws us to these locations. We do have to alter some of our own connection with God ... that is not the correct way to say it, but this is the way that Mary conveys it.

If I can explain it, because I think Mary's going to struggle with this bit. What has to happen is that you detune your sensory apparatus, if you like, in your spirit body as you enter the hells. If you're a Celestial spirit, you detune the sensors; you observe everything and if you choose to smell it you can smell it but it has no effect on you. It does not enter you, nor does it infiltrate your spirit body's condition or your soul condition. But it's still present. [00:45:03.05]

Mary/Rachel: We have an awareness of the filth and the smell of the conditions surrounding us, but as each of you will experience as you progress in love, this love also affords you more tolerance of such things. These things are not your preference, but you do not feel a need to reject or resist.

Maybe I can give a physical illustration. Imagine that a rotting carcass full of maggots is dropped at your front door. Many of us would open the front door, see the rotting carcass full of maggots, smell it and what would we do? You'd go, "Urgh, shocking!" You'd rave on and carry on about how bad it is and, "I've got to fix this straight up," and you'd put on masks and clothes and gloves and away you'd go trying to get rid of the mess. That's what you would do. Now a Celestial doesn't respond to it the same way. A Celestial spirit would see it as it is but not feel so internally repelled by the experience.

Mary/Rachel: For it is viewed with eyes of love. In the example that you give, there is an acknowledgement of the animal that is a part of God's creation, the process of decay, which is also a part of God's creation, and there is a respect for all of these processes. But please keep in mind, as I say, this is not an intellectual way of distancing ourselves from this process. It is more an encompassing feeling of love for the entire process.

Because of that feeling of love, the smells and the tastes and the other things that bombard you don't enter you. The feelings of love that you have combat the... ..."combat" is probably not the right word either.

Mary/Rachel: If we relate this analogy to our service to those in the hellish spheres, there is a sense of love for the condition that the person finds themselves in. There is compassion; there is a complete understanding of the situations that have led the person to be in this state. Again, many of you are tempted to consider this in an intellectual fashion and generate compassion; however, it is for ourselves a feeling of love that encompasses all of these things simultaneously, which means that we do not feel repulsion for the person or their situation. More, it is this loving desire that we connect with them in the state they are in and assist them, which means that we do not find it so horrific to be in the hells.

8.4. An example of mediumship nights held by the group

Can I also point out that within the mediumship nights that you do, when you hear a spirit in a poor condition come to speak, many of you have feelings towards that spirit that are very, very dark. You'll often have feelings of rage or anger towards the spirit, or you'll laugh at the spirit and think it's quite humorous that the spirit's going through pain that you don't understand. Now these are not the feelings that a Celestial spirit has for those particular people, and this is where our mediumship and mediumship nights can rapidly become very out of harmony with love. You've got to be very careful about that. Do you want to comment about that? Because Angelo will want to comment too. [00:49:18.13]

Mary/Rachel: Perhaps my brother Angelo is better to speak upon this topic. We wish to say that there are many of us present as you gather on these nights to speak with spirits; however, our ability to assist those spirits and yourselves is severely impeded by this lack of desire to serve anyone other than yourselves through these gatherings. When each of you develops more of a sincere desire to assist those around you, but also to assist those in these lower spheres, we are able to act far more immediately and meaningfully in terms of the guidance that we may provide to yourselves and to those who are struggling to leave these dark conditions.

Peter/Angelo: With the Thursday night mediumship that happens at Kyabra, often a brave spirit comes to visit and that brave spirit who's in a courageous moment has come and is surrounded by many other spirits who are part of that group or watching. As soon as there's any condemnation of that spirit, those other spirits then leave, and instead of helping many, we start to only help one or two or a few.

Mary/Rachel: In fact those spirits who come to you on these evenings display a great deal of humility, and this is a point that many of you neglect. They actually display more humility than those in the group.

Can I illustrate how?

Mary/Rachel: Yes.

Many of you in the group would not openly talk about your life to a heap of strangers who have a sense of ridicule about your life, is that not true? And yet many of these spirits are coming to you talking openly about their life, risking your ridicule. That tells us that they are already more humble than you are, and yet you laugh at them, do you see?

Peter/Angelo: It is their desire to know more that brings them, and there's an opportunity in that they bring all those around them at the same time. Generally at the moment we only help a few rather than many.

Mary/Rachel: An essential ingredient to loving mediumship is the respect and honour of those that you communicate with. This is the most meaningful. Oftentimes the way that we connect with those in darker conditions than ourselves is through the love that we display to those in spirit. If we may draw the comparison between our work in the Celestial realms helping people in lower spheres to your exercises in mediumship here on Earth, the way that we approach the assistance of others in lower spheres is through having a deep honour and respect for each person as a child of God who has had a unique life experience that has led them to whatever point we meet them.

For yourselves, often there is still a deep delineation between yourselves in the flesh and those in spirit. You often neglect the fact that these are people who have had a unique life experience, one that you have the opportunity to begin to understand but do not yet understand at the beginning of your interactions with them. Without holding this sense of respect and honour for them as a child of God, and in that way your equal, the rapport that you are able to establish with them severely lessens.

9. Developing a pure desire for mediumship

9.1. Developing a pure desire to be of service

Participant: Is it true then that we can be a great instrument because we're closer to the lower spheres? In my mind there's all this talk and all this worry about "I'm not developed in love enough to do this," but is it really the willingness to do it?

Mary/Rachel: Certainly. Many of you use these words as a way of avoiding the fact that a sincere desire to be of service to others is the most vital ingredient to be in service of others. This sense that "I am not of the right development" is actually a way to avoid a desire to assist a brother or a sister, and in fact it is this desire to be of service in a pure sense that heightens one's development greatly.

Mary/ Rachel: Many of you become engrossed and embroiled in many issues surrounding your childhoods and your desire to hold onto anger, and it's this desire to hold onto anger that means very few of you have a sincere desire to be of service. It is very difficult to hold onto a sense of righteous anger and desire to serve those around you. If each of you were to consider and pray about this issue within yourselves, you would be far better prepared once you've released this sense of righteous anger. It is not even about releasing the entirety of your anger, but coming to see the truth about your anger - that it is not righteous \-- and also the truth that each of us has the ability right now to serve another person around us.

Mary/ Rachel: Many people we observe on the planet believe just the opposite truth - that they are righteous in their anger and that they have no ability to serve others. If the world were to come into more of a sense of truth that no anger is righteous and that each of us has the ability to serve immediately, many great issues would be resolved upon the planet and we ourselves as Celestial beings would be able to serve through this pure desire to serve that one of you may hold. We could serve in conjunction with you.

If I can add, too, it's very difficult for many of our Celestial friends, and we make it very difficult for our Celestial friends, to be able to assist the Earth. The reason we make it difficult is that we don't have a pure desire to serve, so they can't request our assistance in getting things done that need to be done for the Earth to change. We barely even have to change our own condition to get into a desire to serve; this is the wonderful thing. [00:57:08.08]

Mary/Rachel: This is the point we wish to make strongly, and once this pure desire to serve exists in the heart of an individual, many of you would be shocked to see how rapidly a Celestial being is able to join with that person, how rapidly this association occurs, and how exponentially the potential grows in terms of the value and the quality and the scope of the service. Some of you have big dreams of how you would wish to serve and change the world, and yet you see yourselves from the limited viewpoint of where you sit now and the resources that you have now.

Mary/ Rachel: We say to you if you were just to trust this very pure sincere desire to serve, if you were to grow this within yourselves, there is a great amount that we would be able to do to assist you because when one person has the pure desire to serve in their heart and they begin to act on this desire, they are no longer one person serving, there are many of us who join immediately. But we are only enabled to join by this pre-requisite condition within the soul of the individual, which is the sincere desire to serve our brothers and sisters.

That's very nice. Does everyone understand that?

9.1.1. An example of people serving at AJ and Mary's events

Look at our practical situation. Many times we have these gatherings where there are forty or fifty or one hundred people together, and it is still very difficult for Mary and me to find a person who is willing to hand the microphone around. That's because the majority of us don't have a desire to serve. We have a desire to sit there and absorb, or we're afraid. We're afraid of doing that job, which is really being self-absorbed, or we have a desire to sit down and enjoy but without having to share or participate in making it happen. This is why you often find exactly the same people doing exactly the same things. They are the people who do have a desire to serve. They're not desiring to serve me, they're desiring to serve you.

When Igor does the stuff to put on the Internet, it doesn't benefit me. I already know the material, I don't even watch it. (Laughter) He's doing it for you, and because of that some Celestial spirits can connect to him and help and guide him through that process. That's just an example of what they are saying. [01:00:16.18]

9.2. The importance of a pure desire and humility for mediumship

Mary/Rachel: In reference to the question by the audience member about the feeling that one is not in the correct development to begin to serve through mediumship, we simply wish to add that if one has two vital ingredients, they are able to use their mediumship with a great deal of love and effectiveness. One is this pure desire to serve, which we have outlined; the second is your own humility. This involves these things: if you are able to remain humble in your dealings with spirits, if you do not feel that you must have all of the answers but are open instead to the guidance and inspiration which is already with you through your sincere desire to be of service, and if you are willing to be humble to your own errors and injuries that exist within yourself and discuss these with the spirit also. Even your own trials and your own problems with overcoming anger can assist a spirit greatly to have a higher level of self-awareness of their own troubles with anger, for example. Within that communication, one of the many Celestial brothers and sisters who wish to assist not only the spirit but also yourself is able to provide far more inspiration. It is not only the desire to be of service, but also your own humility to the issues that exist within yourself that will enable this to flow smoothly.

And perhaps the third, fairly important ingredient is to understand that mediumship doesn't only occur when you sit down and try to do mediumship. It can occur whenever you are in a passionate desire of your own. Let's say you had a passionate desire for music and you had a passionate desire to serve and you had a passionate desire to stay humble. In that place, many Celestial spirits can connect to you and inspire you with lyrics and songs and the actual writing of the music. All of these things can be inspired that will potentially benefit thousands of people, if not millions. You could say that your passion, desire and humility and desire to serve combine to attract a spirit with very similar passions and desires, with a similar desire for humility and desire to serve, and together you now have the ability to create something that will affect the entire world.

Unfortunately, when we start doing things that have the ability to affect the entire world, many of us flick into the impure desire to serve. Now we're doing it because we're self-serving; we want glory, attention, approval, we want people to say that we did it all, and now we've gone from that pure coral to the very dark brown and putrid smelling thing. And, of course, now all of those good spirits have to step back from us. Then what other spirits are going to step in? All of those dark spirits will step in and they will use your impure desire and your lack of humility and your inability to serve others, and they will use that for their own ends in a negative way. Can you see how it can go from one to the other quite rapidly if we're not careful and if we don't work through our emotional issues? [01:04:28.07]

9.3. Developing a pure desire to be of service (continued)

Participant: For me desire to serve is a really confusing issue because I spent years as a monk, intellectually in that space, where literally every day of my life I was in service. It was really in theory, not about anything that I owned or anything. I felt like I was just doing a path; it wasn't a genuine feeling.

So who were you serving?

Participant: I don't know, it could have been myself perhaps. But my question is more that currently I still don't feel this feeling like, "Oh I want to go out of my way to serve." That's the reality.

And it's good to admit that. But can I point out to not just yourself, Alexis, that many in the audience have this problem: you're actually in an angry place about service. When you say you don't have a desire to serve, the reality is unfortunately even a little worse than that. There is a strong feeling inside many of us that we do not want to serve anybody, we're sick of serving anybody, we're sick of having to do. When you start connecting with the emotion, you start feeling all of that rage inside that says, "I'm not going to do that, why should I have to do that?" That's the real feeling that we actually have. Our Celestial friends would like to encourage you to actually address that emotion, actually go through the process of feeling the rage of that emotion and feeling the fear that's under it. There are fears under it and there's quite a lot of grief about why we feel that way too.

We've been forced to do things in the past or we've done things in the past thinking that they're good when they haven't turned out good for us or for others, so we have a lot of fears and also grief to feel about service. This is one of the reasons we're resistive to the desire to serve. The truth is that when you connect with a pure desire to serve, you receive so much joy from it that's it's very, very hard to resist. If we're not receiving joy from our desire to serve, it's because of our rage about what's happened in our past. [01:06:58.27]

Participant: Yeah. I was going to say, when somebody asks me for help, I feel fine with it, but it's different in feeling. Like even with the mediumship thing, I start to feel everything the spirit feels and it feels so horrible that I feel like I've just got to deal with this, so it's still a reluctance.

Can you see that there is an underlying reluctance that needs to be addressed, but can you also see inside of you there's still this spark of compassion that drives your service?

Participant: Yeah, when I feel it, I really want to help them.

When you feel that compassion start to grow then your desire to serve increases. What is the impediment? The impediment is still the rage and the anger, what's happened in the past with regard to service, which needs to be released from you. The majority of people, we find, are actually in the condition where they will not admit even to themselves that they want to come to one of these events and just be able to sit there and enjoy the whole thing rather than do anything.

When you think about our day-to-day life, we often have expectations, like we want somebody else to make the meal for us, we don't like to make the meal for somebody else. How many of you ladies would love your husband's to make a meal for you? And that's probably never happened for some of you for as long as you can remember because the man in that case does not have the desire to serve, he just wants to sit there and absorb what's given to him.

There are many circumstances in our lives where we actually have anger going out to the environment, and what we're really saying is "I want all of you plebs to serve me." That's really how we feel many of the times. We need to go, "Okay, for a start it's very arrogant and not a very responsible position." Once we truly connect with some compassion for everybody around us we go, "Ah, wow, I'd like to be able to help this person that way."

For example, you notice somebody who's having a struggle with their family, and you know how to sort out some of those issues, so you might offer your assistance. Now they might reject you, and many of us are afraid of rejection so we don't even offer. We wait until somebody asks because we're afraid of the potential of rejection. Our Celestial friends are not afraid of the potential of rejection, they are not afraid of it at all. Many of them get rejected every day and they still offer. (Laughter) Many of them have been rejected every day from you, but they still offer. [01:10:06.25]

Mary/Rachel: We wish to point out that many of you in your lives have begun to have a distorted sense of what it is to serve. For many of you, in your life experience, many things have been demanded of you, and you have been obliged to serve, but you have also been obliged by your families and your environment to deny your very selves, your very true natures. For many of you now, this idea of service is attached to many issues that you have a great deal of grief about: the denial of yourself, the denial of your own personality, the denial of your desires, hard work, and receiving no other benefit from service other than approval.

Mary/ Rachel: Now for ourselves, we are not attached to the sense of approval because we understand that service is an expression of our true selves and our true desires, that it comes from a deep sense of passion within ourselves, and that is why when we are rejected there is very little sorrow involved. Especially after at-onement, there is no sorrow. As you develop, you will begin to experience these situations where you connect with more of a pure desire to serve that is grounded within yourself and your own personality. You will begin to serve, and all of those old griefs or impurities in the desire will be confronted in you. There may be some sadness to feel as you progress. However, the more you progress, the more you will find that service is a very invigorating pastime once you align yourself with the loving understanding of what service is and once love and not addiction motivates you in your desire to serve.

9.3.1. An example of serving through music

Perhaps if I can give another example, a practical one where, let's say, you have a desire to serve humanity by using your music as an art to give to people. You start developing that by practising your music; you practise your presentation so you have an engaging presentation and the very first gig that you do, you get up and go there expecting that somebody is going to listen to you and not a single person comes.

Now a person who's in their true passion and desire would actually look at that and go, "Wow, I must have wanted and expected people to come; otherwise there'd be people here. Now there's obviously something wrong going on with my passion and desire here." They can use that opportunity to refine it in that moment and then change it.

Fab just told me of some recent experiences he's had where he went along to a pub with a lot of judgement about people getting drunk and alcohol and so forth. He went along to the pub to play a gig and nobody listened and hardly anybody was there. They all just went away from Fab and nobody listened, so Fab was just playing and singing there with no audience. Then he realised what was going on and connected to the same desire to serve that he had before then, but this time he connected to it more purely by dealing with some emotions about what he was expecting from the audience. He was wanting them to like his songs, wanting them to give him approval, those kinds of emotions. He worked through some of that and then he realised that if he really loved them he would think about what they would like and prepare some things they would like. [01:14:06.18]

So he involved love songs that Fab likes, that he's passionate about, which he thought might connect to them. There were also his guides, who realised in this process that yeah, sad men go to drink because they're sad about love, so there's also a bit of external influence now. Fab practises a lot of these love songs. A lot of the men there like heavy metal, but Fab goes along with these soft love songs and sits down and starts playing them. This time instead of judging the audience, he's coming from this point of wanting to give something to them, and now they all gather around him listening. Why is that? Because he has now refined his desire to give.

The problem we face with our mediumship is that often we're not doing any of that; we're not doing the refining process. We notice the spirit who comes to us and we go, "Urgh, that was a very nasty spirit. I don't like him very much. Oh, boy, he's pretty...." and we have all these judgements, not realising that in that very moment we're often darker than the spirit who's come to us for assistance. In that moment we're often way, way out of harmony of any self-reflection.

9.3.2. An example of serving through mediumship

Mary: I feel Pete is very humble in that he has decided he wants to serve through his mediumship and he puts himself up in front of all of you and faces not only the spirits but also any feelings that are amongst the group. And he's also constantly desiring feedback on his own - how clear he is with Angelo. He's talking to Angelo all the time, all throughout his day, desiring to understand more of their connection and what he can learn from Angelo. I feel like it shows more pure desire to serve when we're willing to take risks in our service.

Participant: Just a little bit on that refinement, Yeshua. I've been doing a little bit of mediumship lately and I've noticed from the feedback that there are elements of my own injuries within that mediumship. Is that for us to really work on for more purity to come through?

Yes. It's important to understand, in particular with the gift of mediumship, but actually with any gift that we have, that we often begin it with a lot of impure desires, although there is often this seed, this underlying spark or seed of true passionate desire intermingled with these other impure desires. If we're humble to see, we will actually see many things about what's going on if we embrace the process of doing what we desire. In Fab's case with the music, he embraces a process, gets some feedback, knows that he's got to do something himself, deals with that thing, goes back and tries the same thing again, and this time there's a completely different outcome. [01:17:21.25]

9.4. The importance of a pure desire and humility for mediumship (continued)

It's exactly the same with our mediumship. We embrace our process, embrace our desire, often some spirits will come to us who are a mirror of our own emotional injuries or have some kind of compatibility or sympathy with our own emotional injuries, and if we're sitting there judging them, in reality all we're doing is judging ourselves. We're the ones who attracted them in the first place to talk with us. We need to go, "Okay, this time again, I've got a very angry woman with me. Hmm, that's very interesting. Why do these angry women find it so easy to speak through me?" Now there can only be two possible explanations. One is that we are very angry and they find it very easy to connect. The other is that we're very afraid of angry women and they find it very easy to connect. We need to be self-analytical and examine that.

If we deal with that and examine it in a loving manner instead of condemning the spirit we've attracted, if we deal with it in a loving manner, then of course we're going to have a very, very different outcome. What I find happening a lot is that people are condemning the spirits that are with them. In fact, many of you have been very angry and rageful with the spirits you've attracted into your life, not understanding that you attracted them, not understanding that it's something inside you, something to do with your condition that attracted them. This is where we often have a deep lack of humility in the process. This is why Rachel raised the issue of humility in regard to our service.

We need to learn to be humble in our service. If we're humble with our service, we will automatically notice the areas where we're out of harmony, where there's a consistent thing happening in our Law of Attraction. If we can see it happening we'll start to address it, and that's beautiful. The beauty of it is that these same spirits that we think we're helping are actually helping us to go through many things that we still need to work through. If we see it in this nice humble way, we would start to have a lot more self-reflection in the process.

Peter: With that humility, Angelo talks often to me about the embarrassment of a feeling that you get when you are with a spirit, or a feeling I'm wanting to avoid and not allowing to take place in the moment.

Quite often in the moment you need to feel something and you're often not feeling it.

Peter: Yeah, and if you need to cry, just allow yourself to cry in that moment because it's bringing up something that I've got in myself.

9.4.1. An example of a participant angry with her great-grandfather

Participant: I feel my great-grandfather is with me. He wouldn't let any of his seven or eight daughters get married. I've recently become aware of his presence around me, and I find it hard not to be angry with him. I understand that there's no righteous anger...

Well, if you understood there is no righteous anger, you wouldn't be getting angry with him, so you don't really understand that yet, it's just an intellectual concept.

Participant: I guess when I just feel my emotion, I'll feel compassion for him too.

No, now you're trying to manufacture something you don't feel. You feel anger for him. Why do you feel anger?

Participant: I feel a pressure coming from him. I'm trying to feel my emotion, but he doesn't want me to. I feel he wants me to stay where he wants me so he can control me. That's what I feel.

I agree.

Participant: And I feel that's where a lot of my pain comes from, that attitude of a man towards the woman.

Can you see that if you fully embrace that emotion, the grief that you feel about a male attempting to control you, you'd actually release a lot of grief? Instead you choose to get angry. Can you see that your choice to get angry is actually taking you farther away from healing the emotion? You see, once you feel the grief of his oppression, you will close the hole of his oppression inside of you and he will no longer be able to repress you. The grief that you feel, the grief that's present within you that you're not allowing yourself to feel, is causing the attraction so that you can feel that grief. But instead of feeling it you're just getting angry with him. You're actually preventing yourself from healing and at the same time degrading your own condition by getting angry with him for being attracted to you because of the grief inside of you. Can you see?

Participant: I've only just become aware of this influence in the last fortnight, so yeah, I guess.

Mary/Rachel: Rachel wants to add something. As Jesus points out, the issue is the idea that the anger is righteous, that this man is wrong, and that you are right to be angry. If you are able to release this feeling within yourself and merely see your anger as indicative of how much pain is within you, you will be more apt to release the anger and get to the pain. It is while you hold on to the sense of injustice, that he is wrong, that you maintain a sense of being justified in your anger.

Mary/ Rachel: This is the major thing that you must shift. There may still be anger within you, but it will flow out of you. This holding onto the sense that he is wrong, and you are right to be angry, is what keeps this as a repetitive cycle for you. If you can release this belief about righteousness to be angry, which is an emotion that at present you understand intellectually, if you can find the emotion within yourself surrounding the injustice and release this, then your anger will flow. It will not dissolve, it will flow out of you and you will be in connection with the pain and grief you have surrounding this issue.

And when the anger flows out of you, it may flow out within a very short period of time.

Mary/Rachel: Yes, most definitely.

If you fully connect to it, it will flow out of you in seconds rather than in hours and you'll very, very rapidly get to the grief of the oppression of a man trying to control you, a woman, in that place. You will grieve that and in the process of grieving that, the hole inside of you allowing this to occur covers over and now it doesn't matter what a man tries to oppress you with - it has no effect on you at all. You won't even feel it in fact. You won't even notice him there unless you chose to connect, "Oh, is my grandfather here? Oh, yes I can see you; still got the same thing with women?" But it won't bother you anymore and you will not feel oppressed by it. [01:26:05.14]

Participant: Thank you so much.

9.5. The issue of anger with spirits we attract

Can I just refer to this issue we have about getting angry with spirits that we attract to ourselves? This is an indicator of our lack of humility. Every time we get angry with the spirits we are attracting, we are not understanding that many times these spirits are attracted to us and they have no idea why they are attracted to us. In fact, you have more of an idea why they are attracted to you than they do because you are more educated in the principles of truth than they are. Oftentimes they just feel drawn to you and they don't even understand why. They just go, "I don't know, I just feel like for some reason this really nasty woman's always pulling me in to her." They feel, "Why are they doing that? I don't understand," and often they are in a place of not even understanding why they are there.

On top of that, they get sworn at for being there, and then they get even more indignant, as you would if you felt you were being misunderstood. And yet you are the person who knows more truth; you know, and you've been told many times, that they are attracted to you because of something in your emotional condition that causes the attraction. They don't even know that, they're not even aware of that. If we really love them, we need to become aware that we already know more intellectually, so there is greater responsibility on us to work through the issue of why we are attracting them rather than blaming them and attacking them for being around us. [01:27:50.04]

Mary/Rachel: If we may add to that from a Celestial perspective: when we view these interactions from our condition, it is as if you tussle with each other - these Earth-bound spirits and those of you in the Earth plane. If we may give you the image of a dog fight, it is of each of you snarling and biting and grabbing at each other, placing the blame upon the other. The Earth-bound spirit and the person who they are attracted to or who is attracting them, many times each desires to blame the other. This is one of the conditions that keeps any soul in the condition of the hells - the desire to blame or to avoid our own pain and make it the problem of another. While you continue this, it is very difficult for us to intercede in such a dog fight, and it is very circular. It keeps both the spirit and the individual, and many times it is many spirits and many individuals, in very similar situations. It keeps them in this very low state.

Mary/ Rachel: If you are able to cease your desire to shift the blame and to avoid your pain, and acknowledge the truth just as Jesus suggests, this enables us to make a connection with you. The circular action is ceased and you are standing for yourself taking some more responsibility for yourself; in this way there is some truth within you. We are able to connect to you once there is some desire for truth or some acknowledgment of truth within you.

Mary/ Rachel: Truth enables us equal opportunities. It is an equal opportunity quality. Once a person, no matter what their condition, desires truth, they have the opportunity to connect with God and a Celestial being almost immediately.

Can you see too, Cecily, how this dog fight thing is really important to understand? It's like Mary being really upset with me about something she feels I am doing to her and I'm being really upset with Mary about something that I feel she's doing to me. So I hit her, she hits me, I hit her, she hits me, I hit her, she hits me. Where are we going? We're going into escalating violence towards each other, are we not? But now if I hit her and instead of her hitting me back she just had a cry, there is not going to be an escalation of that violence. Or if she hit me and instead of hitting her back I had a cry, then there'd be less of a chance of escalating violence as well.

Mary: What Rachel's saying is that if I hit you and you have a cry, given how similar our conditions are, if you start crying about the pain you're in, it's actually quite likely that I start crying...

...about having hit me. Because of the Law of Attraction, often we have very similar emotions that would have caused the attraction in the first place.

Mary: And then Rachel's saying further, if I hit him, he has a cry and then he reaches out in love to me...

...and hug her...

Mary: ... it's definitely going to change me.

Can you see that? Many of us are choosing to "hit" the spirit, and what can we expect back from a fairly dark spirit? Of course he's probably going to "hit" me back. And so I hit him again, and I get hit back again. I'm not seeing him but I feel these emotions towards him, these emotions are hitting him or her, so what is she going to feel? She's going to feel like she wants to hit me, isn't she? Yet I'm the person who's learned more about the truth, intellectually obviously, but not in my heart yet. I've learned it here intellectually but I've learned enough to know that hitting them is wrong in the first place, haven't I? Obviously not. [01:32:52.04]

Mary: Obviously not, and this is what Rachel is saying about this condition of righteous anger in our hearts - they are wrong so I am right, they hit me and that is wrong, I am right to be angry.

I am right to hit back.

Mary: She's saying that it's a big emotion for the group in general, and if you can work on that you won't be as apt to hit back.

When we were in the States, I gave a talk about the power of love over evil. In that talk I outlined what I called the psychology of evil. One of the things I mentioned about the psychology of evil is this idea that there is such a thing as righteous anger. There have been many wars, huge numbers of murders, rapes, and all sorts of things on this planet because somebody was righteously enraged, and we often put it into play with our spirit friends. Notice that most of the time I even call the dark spirits our spirit friends, because are they not just people who have been damaged the same as we have? While they might not be too friendly at the moment, we have the chance to turn every one of them into friends.

Historically I have known of many, many people - obviously in two thousand years of life you get to observe and meet many people - who have been tortured to death and have then become best of friends with their torturer through a process of forgiveness and repentance. They are not in a state of righteous anger with them. This is very powerful to understand.

Mary: That's what happened with Angelo's friend, wasn't it? He didn't hold onto to anger.

Peter: Yes.

9.5.1. An example of a participant who is denying her anger and who is alone

Participant: I don't find that I have a lot of anger. I find that I've been alone most of my life; I find that I now seem to be asking spirits to come and be with me and help me.

Can I ask one of our spirit friends whether they feel you have a lot of anger?

Participant: Yes, sure, that would be good.

And if they can answer honestly... the mediums are going to have trouble with this.

Mary: Well, Rachel's wants to point out that you do have a lot of anger. You don't express it, but it is partly what pushes people away, this sense of anger.

It's one of the reasons that you've been alone a lot of your life. Can you see straight away that you have a feeling inside of you that that's not true, so go with that. Go with that feeling that that's not true. We've had a Celestial spirit say "Look, you do have a lot of anger..."

Mary: Just see what Angelo says.

Peter: Yeah, I got the same thing. I got that it was related to the loneliness.

It's certainly related to the loneliness. But if you go into a state of, "Oh that's not true, I don't feel anger on a day-to-day basis, I'm not a very angry person on a day-to-day basis," and let yourself feel that, then can you see straight away there's quite a lot of resistance to being told the truth about the anger? [01:37:00.00]

Participant: Yes, I can. Is that because I had to suppress my anger as a child?

There are lots of reasons and that's certainly one of them, but there's also an internal judgement that you have of anger. What are your internal judgements of anger? What do you feel about anger? When other people are angry what do you feel?

Participant: Oh, I want to run away and hide. I don't like to see any anger at all.

So you're frightened of anger.

Participant: Yes.

That's one internal judgement that you have towards it. Is there anything else you feel about anger? Do you feel it's very spiritual?

Participant: No it's not, I don't find it very spiritual, I find it not a very nice thing to have.

On the few occasions you've ever let yourself feel anger, what have you felt afterwards?

Participant: I don't know whether I've ever let myself feel complete anger.

There are some times that you have in the past; you have to go back a fair while, though.

Participant: I know as a child I had dreadful temper tantrums.

And what did you feel afterwards?

Participant: After the age of three I didn't have them anymore.

What happened before then; what did mum and dad do when you had them?

Participant: My mother ignored me and my father picked me up and recited poetry to me.

Okay, so both of them suppressed you in some way with the expression of it. And when's the last time you ever remember being angry in a way that you feel is angry?

Participant: Possibly when my ex-husband told me that if my nephews were coming out for the holidays, which they had since my brother died, he was going to go away. I told him to keep on going. I know I was angry then.

Okay, so that's the last time you remember?

Participant: Well, that was the one that came to me.

That's fine. What I'm trying to illustrate to you in this discussion is that firstly our Celestial spirit friends see something totally different inside of you than you see yourself. That's the number one thing to remember. The beauty of some spirit communication is that we have the ability to be very humble and accept what they're saying to us if we know we're connecting to a Celestial spirit. You might say, "Oh I don't think Mary is," and that's fine. You can have that assumption. You can say, "Oh, I don't think Peter is either." The reality is that I would have said the same thing to you so, "I don't think AJ is either." You can hold onto your own opinion, you can choose to do that. [01:40:25.10]

But the alternative is also possible. You could say, "Wow, if they're saying that I've got a fair bit of anger inside of me, then perhaps I have, and I could start praying about that: "Help me see the anger, help me have some dreams that help me to connect to some anger. Help me from day-to-day to see what my blockages are to this feeling of anger that I have." And you can allow yourself to actually conceive the possibility of an alternative explanation.

The reason I ask that question of our spirit friends and not the question you asked is that a lot of times I feel a very large amount of anger from you, and that tells me that there is definitely anger within you. You've just become very detuned from it, you've distanced yourself emotionally from the anger, and this is actually causing you to distance yourself from your own soul, to push your own soul away. When you start to feel the anger that's present, you will actually be closer to your own soul and therefore more in tune with its other emotions.

Many of us detune ourselves from one particular emotion or a group of emotions that we don't like. Shame is one of those emotions; anger is another of those emotions that we judge a lot. For men, fear is an emotion they detune from quite strongly. We push that emotion away, not realising that while we're pushing that emotion away, we are distancing ourself from our own soul. We are causing a situation inside of ourselves where we now cannot feel any emotions very strongly, or we're very selective about which ones we feel, and therefore we don't have the ability to heal them.

Participant: Thank you.

You can continue with the question if you wish. Do you remember it now or do you think that's enough?

Participant: I don't remember now.

No worries.

Mary: What was your name, sorry?

Participant: Catherine.

So, Catherine, my feelings are that if you allow yourself to conceive of the possibility that you are angry inside rather than telling yourself that you're not a very angry person, then ask questions of God and your guides about helping you come to see what you're angry about, it will actually help you see why aloneness has been created in your life. Your original question was actually about aloneness and the fact that you are quite often feeling alone.

Participant: Well, I take myself away from everyone else.

You do.

Mary: And I feel that one of the reasons you're blocked to knowing that you're angry is that you feel no one will love you if you're angry. I feel that's partly why you take yourself away from people as well. There's a lot of sadness about just feeling unlovable, as the real Catherine.

Part of the anger, Catherine, is a feeling that it's pointless being around anybody because nobody loves me. There is some anger in that, can you see that? "Why should I spend time with anybody? Nobody loves me anyway."

Participant: Yes, I suppose that's right.

You will find that with every problem we have, there is always a linkage between the problem and what we are denying in ourselves. This is where it's very, very important that if we use mediumship we're open to hearing the truth about the condition from our spirit friends rather than what we think is the truth about the condition. The beauty of our spirit friends - like both Angelo and Rachel and Tim in this discussion, but there are obviously many thousands of Celestial spirit friends with us at the moment, your own guides are with us at the moment - the beauty of their condition is that they see very accurately every single emotion we are denying, every single one. [01:44:56.29]

If I am humble enough to hear from them, I have a unique opportunity to hear from a person who can actually see the emotion that's stored in me. I relish every discussion I have with my spirit friends about my emotional condition, even when they tell me I have things that I can't recognise.

10. Connecting with our spirit guides

Mary: I just have one more point on our discussion as well, from Rachel. When we were in Greece I had a lovely experience right before our first talk when a group of spirits who were guiding the people who came to the talk came to me. They wanted to give practical tips for people to stay in connection with their spirit guides and guardians, which was really lovely. I'll type them up and put them on the blog in the next couple of days because I feel they're very relevant for everyone.

I think there were about six or seven practical tips.

Mary: Six or seven, and they're very practical, grounded things. One of them is drinking a lot of water. Obviously I had some difficulty with today's exercise and Rachel was just talking to me there at the end. The last point that she wants to say to everyone is to regard your guide as your friend, as someone who's had a life on Earth and someone who has been allocated to you because their personality or their life on Earth is very similar to your own.

Mary: Rachel told me that today was going to be very powerful for me and I had no idea why, but she's been encouraging me and having me encourage other people for quite some time, to get to know the life of your guide when they were on Earth and in the spirit world. I think it's because that increases their rapport with us. She wanted me to share that bit at the end, encouraging you to open up to, "Who is this character? Who's there to guide me?" Very often we use our mediumship in a selfish manner of, "What can I get from this person, come on, give me the answer." Actually we do ourselves a disservice because if we're open to their life and we have more of a friendship connection with them, not only can they give us answers much more easily, but there's also more of a love exchange. It's more of a personal relationship.

And I'd just like to point out something with regard to Angelo. Many of you have been hearing for months from Angelo and yet many of you have never even asked him anything about his own life. Have you noticed that? You have never even asked him about his own life, and this is an indication of how selfish we sometimes are in our interactions with spirits. We just want them there to give us something for ourselves or for some other purpose that's addictive, but very rarely do we want to actually have an increasing friendship or a bond of friendship, and a friendship involves knowing the person. [01:49:09.13]

One of the first things I do whenever I connect with spirits is ask them about their life because you find out a lot about the individual if you've never met them before. You find out a lot about the person, about their life, about why they have the attitudes they have, the feelings they have, what's going on in their life. Asking a person about themselves is an act of love that you give the person.

Mary: And obviously, what it showed me today is how much undealt-with emotion I have about my own life on Earth, that just hearing from my guide about her life on Earth triggers me, and it's the same for so many of us.

10.1. An example of a participant afraid to trust her guide

Participant: What I've just realised is that I'm very frightened of my guide, I'm afraid to get to know them.

Why is that?

Participant: Well, I think it's because I don't want to know me.

I don't think so.

Participant: If I connect I'm going to get hurt, I think.

That's one of your beliefs certainly, but can we go a bit deeper, Teresa? Why would you get hurt by a person who's guiding you?

Participant: Because I have to trust them.

Yes, so this is an issue of trust. Can you see that you don't want to trust people and in fact you often attract totally untrustworthy people into your life? Many of the people that you interact with on a daily basis are untrustworthy people. If you look at many of your internet interactions, which anybody in the world can observe, many times you're interacting with very untrustworthy people, and that's to trigger this emotion of how much you can't trust anybody. Your guide is one person you could trust, but you don't want to feel the emotions associated with the risk of trust. Do you see the difference? You don't want take the risk of trusting somebody. [01:51:22.05]

Mary: It's a vulnerable feeling.

It's a vulnerable place - trusting somebody and then having them disappoint you. You don't want to feel that emotion again; you've had enough of that emotion in your life. But the reality is that you need to feel that emotion and release it, and the only way you're going to do that is by learning to trust somebody. And who better to trust than your own guide who loves you and cares about you and knows your life? So take the risk. Can you see even just taking the risk is going to bring up a fair bit of grief for you?

Participant: I don't believe I can.

You don't believe you can?

Participant: Mmm.

Yeah, now this is where anger takes over. We don't realise that many of our statements are born in anger. When you say I don't believe I can trust, really what your soul is screaming out is, "How dare you ask me to trust somebody! Don't you realise what's happened to me in the past when I trusted somebody? Every time I've trusted somebody, somebody's hurt me." That's the place you're actually in, that rage. The key is to feel that and then you'll start feeling some of the grief under it, which is the terrible feeling of being hurt by people you have trusted in the past.

This idea that you can't do it is born out of a desire to not want to do it, and all of us need to understand this. Often our statements tell us a great deal about where our rage is, and if we listen to ourselves we'd often be able to express ourselves more directly with regard to the rage we feel and therefore quickly connect with the emotion. [01:53:04.23]

Last night we had a discussion with a group of people. I was talking about mothers and how badly their mothers had treated them. It was quite a confronting discussion because almost everybody present had mothers who had treated them quite badly. There was quite a lot of feeling in the room that I was wrong in saying these things about their mothers, yet I was just expressing the rage that each of the women that I was speaking with have towards their mothers because of how their mothers had treated them. We are often totally in refusal to connect with the rage that we feel about how we've been treated. So go with that "I don't want to trust anybody" feeling that you have and allow yourself to feel that more fully.

Participant: Thank you.

11. Audience questions

11.1. An example of a participant who wants her children to not blame her

Participant: Thinking about children and growing up... At what point do children start to recognise the difference between blaming their parents and taking responsibility.

Can I say that the question is born of a parent who is not taking responsibility? The reality is that if we realised as parents how much we have damaged our own children, we would never expect our child to not blame us for the damage. We would be totally accepting of any blame that our child felt towards us with regard to how we've damaged them. Often as parents we're saying, "Ah, I want my child to get to twenty-one and then my child will stop blaming me."

I know people who are a thousand years old and still blaming their parents. I don't agree it's righteously. But the fact is that their parent did cause that damage, and if a parent is on the receiving end of the blame, the parent would be completely humble to what they have created. The fact that we're not completely humble to what we've created as parents is a good indication of why we're still getting blamed. You see, a parent who's gone through repentance very rarely gets blamed afterwards by their children.

Participant: So at some point forgiveness comes in.

At some point repentance of the parent comes in, and then when the parent has felt repentance, there's a higher likelihood that they will receive forgiveness from their child. If you expect forgiveness without repentance, then you are making your child's process much, much, much more difficult. It requires a much higher development in love for somebody to forgive you when you are not repentant. If we are a parent on the Divine Love Path we need to sincerely look at this issue of repentance, not the issue of whether our children forgive us, but the issue of whether we are sorry for what we've done. We often say we are but we don't mean it, and whenever our child projects blame we get angry, which is an indication that we are not sorry for what we have done. [01:57:01.07]

11.2. Having compassion for spirits' soul injuries

Participant: In all of our interactions with the spirits who are not Celestial spirits but lower ones, are they basically the same as we have with each other on the Earth?

In what way are you referring to?

Participant: If someone's angry with us and we react in anger, for example. Is there a difference between that interaction with a person in body and a spirit? - because it's the same emotion.

Mary: It's the same condition in our soul.

Same condition in our soul, same emotions, and the person in the spirit world feels it as badly as a person on Earth would feel it, and quite often more so, because they are a bit more sensitive to the expression of emotions. Quite often they feel even worse than a person on Earth would feel. But you're right - we've got to stop seeing spirits as entities other than just people. We've got to stop this process of thinking that for some reason a spirit feeling it must be different to how we feel it. We've got to start just treating them as people; just like any other people we meet. Sometimes they have pure emotions, sometimes they don't. Sometimes how much fear emotion they have depends on their development. Sometimes they have dark feelings towards us and sometimes they'd like to kill us and sometimes they don't. Sometimes they have very much brighter opinions of us. And the reality is that sometimes we have quite the same things with them. We need to understand that they are just people like we are and, therefore, just as sensitive and sometimes far more sensitive to our emotions than we are to other people's emotions. [01:59:29.24]

One thing I love about our Celestial friends when they come and speak, they're always going, "Our lovely brothers and sisters who are in the hells." Just the idea of calling a spirit who's in the hells your brother is in itself an equalisation and a statement of humility because they are our brothers and sisters. And we need to have just as much compassion for our lovely brothers and sisters in the hells as we have for ourselves and as each other.

11.2.1. The importance of being self-reflective

Even here in this auditorium, in this large group of people who meet with each other regularly, we get annoyed and frustrated with each other, and very few of us are self-reflective yet. The reality is that if we were self-reflective we wouldn't be annoyed and we wouldn't be frustrated. We'd go, "Ah here's another lovely brother or sister just opening that little hole in me so that I can see, wow, I have that anger still," or "I have this situation still," or "I have that situation still," instead of going, "You did this to me, and you did that to me." We'd be going, "What's inside of me?" We would be far more self-reflective.

One of the things I like about Mary's book group is that the books that Aphraar penned through Robert James Lees are all about self-reflection. That's lovely about them. It's something that we all need if we're going to improve in our mediumship skills; we need to have a lot more self-reflection. If we have self-reflection we are capable of love. If we have no self-reflection, we're just going to point the finger at everybody else all the time and not examine ourselves anymore.

11.3. The benefit of having spirits with us all the time

Participant: Sometimes I feel we get angry at the spirits because we feel we can't get away from them. If someone gets angry at me, say Cecily, I can go away, but the spirit can be there all the time and that's when we feel...

But the spirit's going, "Yeah, you make me be here all the time. What's wrong with you? Why can't you let me go?"

Participant: But that's where I feel we get caught up in it, isn't it? We feel we can't get away.

But that's right and that's good. You know with Cecily you can say, "Ah, it's Cecily so I'm going to leave her," or you can even say, "I need space from Cecily to deal with the emotion." But the reality is that you're not going to deal with the emotion until you submit humbly to the grief that's caused the attraction. This is where I feel many people are still not able to be soft. Do you understand what I mean by that? It's like when you get attacked by another person, what is your general response? Is it softness? No, it's not softness, it's like, "Wow, I'm getting attacked." It's even more like, "How dare you attack me! What are you doing to me is wrong!" The beauty with our spirit interactions, and this is what I love about spirit interactions, is that you cannot avoid them by stepping away from them physically. This is a wonderful thing because if we could, we would be far less conscious of what we're creating. [02:03:03.06]

12. Connecting with our spirit guides (continued)

Participant: How about if we don't know our guides? I feel I'm guided but I can't see them and hear them even though I pray and include them into my prayers every day. But I don't feel I have a really good connection with them.

The talk that Mary mentioned that we did in Greece was a discussion called "Spirit Relationships - Connecting With Your Spirit Friends" with twenty or so people where the spirits actually outlined how we could have a better connection with our guides. My suggestion is that when that talk is put on YouTube, have a listen to that. Watch that talk because it will help you. There is a long list of things that we could do that can significantly improve our connection with our guides. During that talk you will see that there are many things physically, emotionally, and spiritually that we can do to have a stronger connection with our guides to be able to communicate with them freely.

All of your guides do wish to communicate with you, and the only reason communication is not happening is something to do with ourselves, so we need to have self-reflection. Many of us feel like, "I desperately want my guide to talk with me," but there must be something blocking it if it's not happening and it has to be within ourselves because our guide does want the communication. Have a look at that presentation when it comes out, and Mary says she's going to type up some of that information as well. Have a look at some of that information and ask yourself how you can actually help your guide connect with you more strongly.

13. Closing words

We'd like to thank you for your time today. (Applause) Thanks to Peter and Mary, too. Thank you.

