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WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD THAT
THEY WERE DOING CHARLIE ROSE
DIDN'T YOU GO "WHAT?!?"
PEOPLE LIKE LAUGHING AT OTHERS
SO I DON'T MIND IF THE OTHERS
LAUGH AT ME
SEE YOU GO RIGHT INTO YOUR
CHARACTER THAT'S WHAT IT IS
I'M BRINGING FAMILIES TOGETHER
A HALF AN HOUR EACH WEEK AND
I'M DOING SOMETHING SPECIAL
AND SO I DO FEEL SUCCESSFUL
HI I'M STEVE ADUBATO I WANT TO
INTORODUCE YOU TO A VERY
SPECIAL GUEST FOR A VERY
SPECIAL SHOW HE IS CURTIS
SHERROD EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
HIP HOP CULTURE CENTER GOOD
TO SEE YOU HOW YOU DOING?
HEY I'M VERY GOOD GLAD TO BE
HERE
AND WE WERE JUST TALKING
BEFORE WE STARTED THE SHOW
WHERE DID YOU GROW UP?
I'M A BRONX BOY.
OKAY
YEAH
AND WHERE YOU GREW UP HAS
HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH HOW
YOU SEE THE WORLD AND HOW
YOU... WHAT YOU DO
EVERYTHING
DESCRIBE THE ORGANIZATION BY
THE WAY HIP HOP CULTURE
CENTER
WHAT WE DO WE USE HIP HOP TO
BRING YOUNG PEOPLE IN, AND
ONCE WE GET THEM THERE WE
TEASE THEM WITH THE HIP HOP
YOU KNOW WE TEACH THEM
ECONOMIC LITERACY, POLITICAL
AWARENESS, DIET AND NUTRITION
OR YOU CAN GIVE US ANY SUBJECT
MATTER AND WE WILL
REGURGITATE THAT SUBJECT
MATTER IN A HIP HOP CENTRIC WAY
TO REINFORCE WHATEVER'S
BEING TAUGHT IN THE CLASSROOM
WHAT DO MOST OF US WHO ARE
NOT BORN INTO THE HIP HOP
CULTURE GET WRONG ABOUT IT?
UM I THINK WELL WE WERE
SPEAKING BEFORE THE SHOW YOU
HAVE AN ITALIAN BACKGROUND. I
THINK IT'S STILL MUCH OF THAT
PEOPLE CONFUSE RAP CULTURE
WITH HIP HOP CULTURE BECAUSE
OF WHAT MASS MEDIA, TELEVISION
TELEVISION SHOWS
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE?
OH! OH!
BETWEEN RAP AND HIP HOP
CULTURE?
TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS.
DESCRIBE
OKAY HIP HOP'S A CULTURE, OKAY,
THE FIRST CULTURE OR THE FIRST
ELEMENT OF HIP HOP CULTURE IS
GRAFFITI. THE 2ND ELEMENET OF
HIP HOP IS DJ. THE 3RD ELEMENT
OF HIP HOP IS BREAKDANCING. THE
4TH ELEMENT IS MC'ING. WE NEVER
CALLED IT "RAPPING" WE CALLED IT
"MC'ING" "MY CONTROL" "MASTER
OF THE CEREMONY" THE 5TH IS
KNOWLEDGE OF SELF AND WHEN
YOU COMBINE ALL THESE
ELEMENTS YOU HAVE HIP HOP AS
OPPOSED TO RAP WHICH IS A
COMMERCIAL WAY TO EXPLOIT AND
MAKE MONEY FROM HIP HOP.
THE HIP HOP CULTURE STARTED IN
THE BRONX ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO?
YEAH KOOL HERC. KOOL HERC AND
HIS SISTER CINDY CAMPBELL
IS IT ACKNOWLEDGED BECAUSE
VERY OFTEN WHEN YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT... LISTEN THERE'SA
LOT OF DEBATES ABOUT DIFFERENT
FORMS OF MUSIC AND WHO WAS
THE ONE WHO WAS THE KING WHO
WAS THE QUEEN, EVEN THOUGH
THOSE OF US WHO LOVE ARETHA
FRANKLIN WILL DEBATE IT WITH
ANYONE BUT THAT BEING SAID
IS THIS AN INDISPUTABLE TRUTH?
PRETTY LIKE THIS. IF I GOTTA SIN
ON THE DOTTED LINE I'M GOING
WITH KOOL HERC. OKAY. AND I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE AND
THEIR DATE TO SAY SO AND OF
COURSE IT'S AN EXTENSION OF
AFROCENTRICITY YOU KNOW
WHO IS THIS THAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT?
AS FAR AS KOOL HERC?
YES!
UH, KOOL HERC WAS A GENTLEMAN
WHO WAS REALLY INTO HIP HOP
WELL ACTUALLY HIS BACKGROUND
IS HE'S FROM JAMAICA
RIGHT
HE'S JAMAICAN. AND THEY HAVE
LIKE A THIS SOUND BOY THING
WHERE THEY HAVE GREAT SOUND
SYSTEMS IN JAMAICA AND THEN
WHEN HE CAME INTO NEW YORK
YOU KNOW I'M SURE HERC COULD
TELL HIS STORY BETTER THAN ME
BUT WHEN HE CAME TO NEW YORK
THERE'S A CULTURE OF TOASTING
HERE IN NEW YORK CITY AND THEN
YOU HAVE WHAT A GRIOT IS WHERE
AS
WHAT?
OKAY
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE TALKING A
FOREIGN LANGUAGE I HAVE NO
IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
NOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHY...
NOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND
...THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING
WELL FOR CLARITY'S SAKE...
WILL YOU COME ON THAT SHOW AT
LINCOLN CENTER AND MAKE ME
FEEL SO OUT OF IT IS THAT WHAT T
IS?
[SIGH]
[LAUGHTER] WAIT! AND YOUR SIGH
MAKES ME FEEL WORSE. AND THAT
IS THE POINT OF YOUR WORK!
EXACTLY. EXACTLY. THAT'S WHY WE
HAVE THE HIP HOP CULTURE
CENTER WE TRAVEL TO GO TO
DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS
DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS IN
PARTICULAR YOUNG PEOPLE YOU
GOT YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE
FROM THE BRONX WHERE HIP HOP
WAS INVENTED AND THEY DON'T
KNOW WHAT HIP HOP IS. YOU KNOW
THEY THINK IT'S "BLING BLING!" U
KNOW CALLING SOMEONE OUT
THEIR NAME DRIVING A FANCY CAR
WHERE... NO. THE PEOPLE WHO
INVENTED HIP HOP WE WERE
BROKE.
HMM
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THEY
STOPPED GIVING US MUSIC
CLASSES IN THE BRONX AT ONE
TIME
BY THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT
YOUR OFFICES
OFFICE VENUE YEAH
IN HARLEM
YEAH THAT'S THE VENUE WE
ACTUALLY HAD RIGHT INSIDE 125TH
STREET
RIGHT. RIGHT BY THE APOLLO?
ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE
APOLLO, 2ND FLOOR OF THE MAGIC
JOHNSON THEATER
THE ANTI-VIOLENCE WALK?
WE HAD AN ANTI-GUN WALK WHICH
LED US TO REALLY WANNA DO A
RAP-A-THON AND I'LL TELL YOU
WHAT A RAP-A-THON IS VERY
SHORTLY
CAN WE GO TO THE FOOTAGE AND
THEN CURTIS CAN TALK ABOUT IT
LET'S GO TO THE CLIP
[MUSIC] STOP THE VIOLENCE STOP
[MUSIC] THE KILLING STOP THE
[MUSIC] VIOLENCE STOP THE
[MUSIC] KILLING STOP THE
[MUSIC] VIOLENCE STOP THE
[MUSIC] KILLING STOP THE
[MUSIC] VIOLENCE STOP THE
[MUSIC] IT'S WRONG IT'S WRONG
[MUSIC] IT'S WRONG IT'S WRONG
[MUSIC] STOP PUT THE GUNS DOWN
[MUSIC] DROP THE GUNS DOWN
[MUSIC] PUT THE GUNS DOWN
[MUSIC] THROW THE PEACE SIGN
[MUSIC] UP PUT THE GUNS DOWN
[MUSIC] PUT THE GUNS DOWN
[MUSIC] PUT THE GUNS DOWN
[MUSIC] THROW THE PEACE SIGN
[MUSIC] PUT THE GUNS DOWN
[MUSIC] PUT THE GUNS DOWN
[MUSIC] THROW THE PEACE SIGN
[MUSIC] UP... PEACE SIGN UP
TALK TO US
NOW THE ANTI-GUN WALK, WE HAVE
SOME OF THE BEST MC'S IN THE
WORLD, AND THEY HAVE THE
ABILITY TO TAKE A SOCIAL ISSUE
THAT IMPACTS OUR COMMUNITY
AND THEN THROUGH RAP MUSIC
MAKE IT RELEVANT BY USING IT IN
A WAY IT SHOULD BE USED.
YOU KNOW IT'S INTERESTING YOU
HAVE A STRONG DESIRE A STRONG
INTEREST TO EDUCATE
YEAH
TO WHAT END?
UM, EDUCATION'S THE KEY, YOU
KNOW, THE MORE YOU KNOW THE
MORE YOU CAN SUPPORT YOUR
SELF YOUR COMMUNITY YOUR
FAMILY YOUR PEOPLE IN AN
INTELLIGENT WAY
WHERE DO THE DOLLARS COME
FROM FOR THE CENTER?
[SIGH] WE STRUGGLE. WE
STRUGGLE. BUT WE ALWAYS FIND A
WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
IS IT ABOUT DONATIONS FROM THE
COMMUNITY IS IT ABOUT
CORPORATE FOUNDATION GRANTS?
A COMBINATION OF ALL. A
COMBINATION OF ALL. AND IT'S
FUNNY BECAUSE YOU WOULD
THINK "OH HIP HOP YOU GUYS GET
A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM LIKE THE
MAJOR RAPPERS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT
YOU WOULD THINK?
NEGATORY
BECAUSE?
UM I DON'T THINK A LOT OF
RAPPERS WHO'VE MADE LOTS OF
MONEY FROM HIP HOP KNOW WHAT
HIP HOP IS!
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I KNOW. I KNOW. I KNOW. BUT IT'S
TRUE. IT'S TRUE.
SO THOSE WHO ARE MOST
RECOGNIZED AS HIP HOP ARTISTS
RIGHT, NAME A FEW.
LET ME SEE THE MOST
RECOGNIZABLE TO ME?
WELL NO NOT TO YOU LET'S SAY
MAINSTREAM
MAINSTREAM. LITTLE WAYNE.
DRAKE. PUFFY. JAY-Z.
WHAT RESPONSIBILITY DO YOU
BELIEVE... NOW YOU TALK ABOUT
JAY-Z.
MM HMM
NOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD SAY
"LOOK AT WHAT JAY-Z HAS DONE IN
BROOKLYN" LOOK AT WHAT HAS
HAPPENED OUT IN BROOKLYN
THE RENAISSANCE OUT THERE AND
THE BARKELEY CENTER'S JUST A
PIECE OF IT
MM HMM
BUT THEN MANY WOULD SAY THAT
SOME OF THE SUCCESS OUT THERE
IS A PRODUCT OF JAY-Z AND HIS
INTEREST IN THAT COMMUNITY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
RESPONSIBILITY IS OF THOSE WHO
HAVE BEEN MOST SUCCESSFUL
AND SOME SAY FORTUNATE IN THAT
PROCESS TO THE MOVEMENT
MM HMM
AND IS IT A MOVEMENT?
WELL, IT'S A LIFESTYLE, IT'S A
CULTURE, AND TAKE, IT'S ALMOST
LIKE, TAKE BASKETBALL, RIGHT, IN
BASKETBALL A LOT OF PEOPLE
PLAY BALL, RIGHT?
RIGHT
IF YOU GO TO ANY BOROUGH IN
NEW YORK CITY YOU COULD
PROBABLY FIND A HUNDRED
PEOPLE WHO COULD HAVE BEEN IN
THE NBA
WELL YOU LOOK AT THE HARLEM
RUTGER TOURNAMENT AND YOU
KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
YEAH SO YOU TAKE SOMEONE LIKE
JAY-Z HE'S AN EXAMPLE YEAH OUT
OF A THOUSAND RAPPERS WHO
ARE AS GOOD AS JAY-Z OR MORE
TALENTED HE'S ONE OF THE ONES
THAT MADE IT.
DO THEY OH?
DO THEY OH? WELL, I THINK THAT
I DON'T KNOW HIM PERSONALLY
AND I THINK EVERY MAN HAS TO DO
WHAT'S RIGHT FOR HIM YOU KNOW
SO THAT HE CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT
SO I CAN'T SAY "YOU OH" IT WOULD
BE NICE TO SAY "YES" BECAUSE AS
A PEOPLE WE GOT HERE STANDING
ON THE SHOULDERS OF OTHERS
WHO CAME BEFORE US. I WAS JUST
DOING SOME RESEARCH FROM
FREDERICK DOUGLASS THE OTHER
DAY AND I WAS LIKE "WHAT AN
AMAZING CAT!" TO HAVE DONE ALL
THE THINGS THAT HE'S DONE I CAN
GO ON FOR EVER AND EVER WITH
PEOPLE WHO SACRIFICED, DIDN'T
GET MONETARY GAIN, FOR US AS A
PEOPLE TODAY, TO BE WHERE
WE'RE AT, AND SO IT'S REALLY A
PERSONAL DECISION. WHAT DO I
THINK? AH
I HEAR YOU. AND FINALLY FOR
ADULTS
MM HMM
BE THEY BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC,
OR OTHERS WHO WANT TO
CONNECT WITH THEIR KIDS WHO
ARE CONNECTED TO SOMEONE
IN HIP HOP CULTURE ADVISE TO US
IS?
WELL I WOULD SAY CHECK OUT THE
RAP-A-THON. AND THE RAP-A-THON
IS WHERE WE GET A HUNDRED
RAPPERS TO RAP FOR HUNDRED
HOURS STRAIGHT. NO CURSING. NO
N-WPRD. N B-WORD. AND IT'S
ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE
SOMETHING POSITIVE.
IT'S GOOD STUFF. BY THE WAY HOW
CAN PEOPLE, WE HAVE THE
WEBSITE UP GUYS? HAVE WE BEEN
DOING THAT? TERRIFIC. CURTIS
SHERROD. EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF HIP HOP CULTURE CENTER I
WANT TO THANK YOU FOR JOINING
US
HEY IT WAS MY PLEASURE
THANK YOU FOR SHARING AND
MAKING ME FEEL INCREDIBLY OUT
OF IT
[LAUGHER]
THAT WAS YOUR INTENT? NICE
GOOD JOB. YOU SEEMED TO ENJOY
IT
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE COULD
DO FELLOWSHIP LATER AND I'LL
HOOK YOU UP
THANK YOU VERY MUCH STAY
TUNED WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK RIGHT
AFTER THIS
GOOD SHOW
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THERE HE IS! BRAD PARKS IS THE
AUTHOR OF "THE GOOD COP"
HOW YOU DOING?
DARN GOOD.
AND BY THE WAY LISA GARDENER
SAYS OF YOUR BOOK RIGHT ON THE
COVER "A KNOCKOUT THRILLER AS
SMART AND STYLISH AS ITS
CHARMING PROTAGONIST CARTER
ROSS" AND BY THE WAY CARTER
ROSS WHO IS THE PROTAGONIST
IS THIS, IT'S A MYSTERY AS I KNW
DOES THIS BEAR ANY RESMBLANCE
TO YOU AND YOUR CAREER AS A
JOURNALIST PRACTICING
JOURNALIST FOR MANY YEARS?
WELL LET'S SEE HERE CARTER
ROSS IS AN INVESTIGATIVE
REPORTER FOR A NEWARK BASED
NEWSPAPER. I WAS AN
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER FOR A
NEWARK BASED NEWSPAPER.
DO YOU ADMIT THAT?
I DO. I DO. AND I WILL SAY THATN
THE RECORD. UNDER OATH.
DO YOU COVER CRIME?
I DID IN FACT, WELL, THIS MAY
SURPRISE YOU BUT THERE IS
SOME CRIME TO BE COVERED IN
NEWARK.
REALLY?
I KNOW. STOP.
NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I
GREW UP IN
THIS IS THE FIRST YOU'VE HEARD
OF IT I KNOW. THEY DON'T ALLOW
CRIME IN NORTH WARD DIFFERENT
RULES UP THERE
I'M SORRY LET'S NOT GO THERE
[LAUGHTER]
SO YES AND HE IS ABOUT 6"1'
ABOUT 185 LBS, BROWN HAIR BLUE
EYES
THAT'S THE GUY
A TOTALLY FICTIONAL CHARACTER
TOTALLY DIFERENT GUY
YEAH I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE I
CAME UP WITH HIM
HOW INTERESTING. YOU DID SPEND
THOSE YEARS AT THE STAR LEDGER
BY THE WAY THE NEWSPAPER HERE
IS CALLED "THE NEWARK EAGLE
EXAMINER"
YES
NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THAT
OTHER PAPER
HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS IT
WRITING ON DEADLINE EVERY DAY
RIGHT
FOR A REAL NEWSPAPER? ABOUT
REAL CRIME, AND THE WRITING
THAT YOU DO WITH THESE BOOKS?
OH EVERYTHING'S DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW THE IMMEDIACY OF IT IS
VERY DIFERENT I MEAN WHEN
YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT A CRIME
IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING
EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT AND
YOU'RE GETTING THAT CONSTANT
FEEDBACK OF WOW THIS IS THE
THING AND THIS IS THE MOMENT
AND ISN'T THAT WHAT WE LOVE
ABOUT BEING JOURNALISTS? WE
FEEL LIKE WE'RE WRITING ABOUT
EVERYTHING, WHAT PEOPLE ARE
TALKING ABOUT, WHEREAS THIS
I'LL WRITE THIS, AND THE BOOK
DOESN'T COME OUT FOR A YEAR
OR TWO. SO IT'S A VERY, I REALLY
HAVE TO KIND OF RETREAT MORE
INTO MY OWN WORLD AND THIS
UNIVERSE THAT I'M CREATING AND
THERE HAS TO BE MORE INTERNAL
FEEDBACK THERE.
WHO'S THE GOOD COP? WHAT'S
THE STORY ABOUT?
SO THE GOOD COP IS A COP WHO
HAS A NEWARK POLICE OFFICER
WHO HAS DIED AND CARTER ROSS
THE PROTAGONIST GOES OUT
WRITES HIS STORY OR GETS HIS
STORY AND THEN LEARNS THAT
ACTUALLY IT'S BEEN RULED A
SUICIDE. BUT HE ALREADY KNOWS
THAT THIS COP DOES NOT SEEM
LIKE THE KINDA GUY WHO WOULD
OFF HIMSELF, AND SURE ENOUGH
SOON THE FAMILY SAYS "NO, THIS
WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT A SUICIDE"
BUT THE COVERUP IS ON BY THAT
POINT
A COVERUP IS ON?
THERE IS A COVERUP. A COVERUP
IN NEWARK. AGAIN SUSPEND YOUR
DISBELIEF
AND WITHOUT GIVING UP TOO
MUCH HERE, WOULD THIS HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH POTENTIAL
CORRUPTION?
[LAUGHTER] NO. NEVER. WITH
NEWARK?
WITHIN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
COMMUNITY
COME NOW. COULD NEVER HAPPEN
YOU ARE A VERY CYNICAL YOUNG
MAN
WELL IT DOES HAPPEN IN THE
JOURNALISM WORLD
OKAY BUT THERE IS SOME
CORRUPTION
YEAH
THERE IS. AND ULTIMATELY WE
LEARN ABOUT A GUN SMUGGLING
SYNDICATE
GUN SMUGGLING?
GUN SMUGGLING.
THAT'S A THEME YOU INTERESTED
WHICH ALSO HAPPENS
IN THIS ALSO ARE YOU NOT?
WELL, YOU KNOW IT'S, YOU CAN'T
BE IN NEWARK FOR 10 YEARS AND
NOT GET INTERESTED IN GUNS
BECAUSE HOW MANY OF THOSE
CRIMES YOU END UP COVERING
IS THERE A GUN INVOLVED.
YOU KNOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
GUNN ISSUE
SURE
DID YOU HAVE A VIRGINIA
EXPERIENCE AT SOME POINT
YEAH
IN YOUR LIFE THAT CAUSED YOU TO
SEE THAT EACH STATE HAS ITS
OWN GUN LAWS AND THEREFORE
ITS OWN LETS SAY GUN CULTURE
GUN CULTURE. YES. SO I LIVE IN
VIRGINIA NOW SO WHEN I MOVED
FROM NJ TO VIRGINIA I'M KIND OF
LEARNING MY NEW STATE AND I GO
TO THIS OUTDOOR STORE IS WAS
AT BASS PRO SHOPS. BIG CASE OF
HANDGUNS, IT'S LIKE, WHAT?
IT'S A BASS PRO SHOP? IM NOT
LISTEN, I DIDN'T GROW UP FISHING
BUT I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
FISH
YEAH BUT HUGE CASE OF GUNS
AND SO I KNOW WHAT THE GUN
LAWS IN NJ ARE AND OF COURSE
THEY'RE VERY ONEROUS, 30 DAY
WAITING PERIOD, FULL
BACKGROUND CHECK EVERYTHING
AND I GO UP TO THE COUNTER AND
I SAY TO THE GUY "YOU KNOW
WHAT ARE THE GUN LAWS HERE?"
AND HE'S LIKE "BOY, YOU IN
VIRGINIA NOW." FORGET 30 DAY
WAITING PERIODS THEY DON'T
EVEN HAVE A 15 MINUTE WAITING
PERIOD. AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT A
FELON, AND ARE TALL ENOUGH TO
GET THE MONEY UP ON THE
COUNTER, YOU'RE OUT WITH A GUN
FRTHERMORE IF YOU HAVE A
CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT WHICH
IS VERY EASY TO GET DOWN IN
VIRGINIA YOU CAN BUY AS MANY
GUNS AS YOU LIKE, NO QUESTIONS
ASKED, AND BE OUT THE DOOR IN
ABOUT 20 MINUTES LATER.
WELL THEN LETS TALK ABOUT THE
CONNECTION BETWEEN HOW EASY
AND ACCESSIBLE GUNS ARE IN A
SITUATION LIKE THAT AND GUN
SMUGGLING INTO ANOTHER STATE
WELL AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY
STRUCK ME AS I WAS STANDING IN'
THIS OUTDOOR STORE HOW EASY
IT WOULD BE TO FILE OFF THE
SERIAL NUMBERS ON THE GUN
THROW THEM IN MY TRUNK, AND
I'M IN CAMDEN, I'M IN NEWARK, IM
IN PATERSON 5 HOURS LATER
SELLING THESE. I MEAN THIS IS
WHY LAW ENFORCEMENT CALLS
ROUTE 95 THE "IRON PIPELINE"
BECAUSE IT IS A CONDUIT FROM
STATES WITH VERY LAX GUN
CONTROL LAWS TO STATES WITH
VERY TIGHT GUN CONTROL LAWS
AND THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING
IN NEW JERSEY CITIES ALL THE
TIME
IT'S INTERESTING YOU WRITE
ABOUT MYSTERIES YOU WRITE
THESE NOVELS BUT SOCIAL
PUBLIC POLICY IF YOU WILL ISSUES
MATTER TO YOU A GREAT DEAL DO
THEY NOT?
I ACTUALLY START WITH THE ISSUE
WHEN I THINK ABOUT A BOOK I
SAY "WHAT ISSUE DO I WANT TO
TACKLE" SO THAT YOU KNOW THE
FIRST BOOK
ISSUE FIRST?
YEAH ISSUE FIRST. SO THE FIRST
BOOK WAS A BOOK ABOUT DRUGS
TO ME. THE 2ND BOOK WAS A BOOK
ABOUT SUB-PRIME MORTGAGE AND
THE REAL ESTATE CRAZINESS THE
3RD BOOK GETS INTO
ORNGANIZAD LABOR, THINGS LIKE
THAT AND YES THIS IS A BOOK
ABOUT GUN SMUGGLING. THE 5TH
ONE IS ACTUALLY, WHICH IS
WRITTEN AND READY TO GO IT'S
ABOUT TOXIC WASTE AND THE MOB
AGAIN
WELL HOLD ON WAIT A MINUTE HOW
DO YOU, NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO
REALLY IRRITATE ME
WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING TOO
MANY EPISODES OF THE
SOPRANOS?
TOXIC WASTE IN THE MOB?
I KNOW. GO FIGURE.
AND YOU'VE BEEN FINALLY ABLE TO
MAKE THIS CONNECTION
YEAH. 10 YEARS IN NJ AND I
FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT. YEAH
OH BOY.
IT'S TROUBLE
NOW CARTER THIS CHARACTER
YEAH
WHEN YOU'RE WRITING, CARTER'S
BEEN IN ALL SORTS OF
SITUATIONS. DO YOU FIND WHEN
YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT CARTER
THAT YOU FEEL A NEED TO BRING
IN YOUR PAST EXPERIENCES OR
DOES CARTER WIND UP IN
SITUATIONS THAT YOU'VE NEVER
BEEN IN AS A JOURNALIST AND YOU
SAY "YOU KNOW WHAT? I WOULD
HAVE LIKED TO" I KNOW IT'S A
COMPLICATED QUESTION
NO IT IS BUT I FOLLOW YOU
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AN EVOLUTION
ACTUALLY WHERE THE FIRST
BOOKS WERE VERY STRICTLY
BASED ON THINGS THAT I HAD SEEN
THINGS THAT I HAD DONE I GIVE IT
A LITTLE FICTIONAL TWIST IN THE
WAY THAT IT GOES AND NOW
REALLY CARTER IS HIS OWN
CHARACTER DISCOVERING THINGS
ON HIS OWN AND IT REALLY IS
BECOMING MORE FICTIONAL. BUT
TO ANSWER THE 2ND PART OF
WHAT I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS
YEAH THERE'S SOME
ASPIRATIONAL STUFF IN THERE
I MEAN I'M NOT A NEWSPAPER
REPORTER ANYMORE. AND I LOVED
BEING A NEWSPAPER REPORTER
AND SO I THINK CARTER ROSS
GETS TO WRITE THE STORIES THAT
MAYBE I WISH I WERE STILL W
WRITING.
OKAY BUT YOU DON'T LIVE IN NJ
ANYMORE
CORRECT
AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO WERE
BORN AND RAISED AND CONTINUE
TO LIVE IN NJ WE STILL WANNA
BELIEVE AND YOU MAY HAVE
HEARD WE HAVE A GOVERNOR
THAT
I'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HM
JUST A SMIDGE
SOONER OR LATER HE'S GOING TO
COME OUT OF HIS SHELL HE WILL
SAY REAL THINGS
IT REALLY IS IT'S A SHAME HOW
JUST SHY HE IS
BUT HE'S GONNA BREAK THROUGH
REMINDS ME OF CORZINE IN THAT
WAY YEAH
HE'S VERY MUCH LIKE CORZINE
BUT THAT BEING SAID THE REASON
I BRING IT UP IS I WONDER
BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE IN THIS
STATE DO YOU WORRY THAT
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT
FEEL THAT JERSEY CONNECTION
AND YOU'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF
STUFF?
NOT REALLY. I MEAN ONE YEAR IN
THE NEWS ROOM IN THE STAR
LEDGER GIVES YOU ENOUGH
MATERIAL FOR LIKE 20 NOVELS AT
LEAST. AND I GET BACK UP HERE
QUITE A BIT. ON BOOK TOUR TO SEE
FRIENDS SOMETIMES I'LL JUST GO
IN NEWARK JUST TO WALK AROUND
THE STREETS
DO WE FEEL DIFFERENT TO YOU?
WE FEEL ANY DIFFERENT? WE
LOOK THE SAME? I MEAN WHAT IS
IT?
YOU KNOW THERE'S AN ENERGY TO
NEW JERSEY
DESCRIBE IT FOR THOSE WHO
YEAH
BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE WEST
SIDE OF MANHATTAN WE'RE IN
LINCOLN CENTER AS YOU KNOW
THE TISCH WNET STUDIO FOR
THOSE EVEN THE NEW YORKERS
WHO MAY NOT HAVE ACTUALLY
BEEN TO NJ JERSEY HAVE JUST
SEEN US ON TELEVISION
RIGHT
GO AHEAD
[LAUGHTER] SO THERE'S A
VIBRANCY THERE'S AN ENERGY
THERE'S A CHARACTER YOU KNOW
EVERY TOWN IN NJ HAS ITS OWN
FEEL TO IT OR EVERY SECTION OF
NEWARK HAS ITS OWN FEEL TO IT
AND I REALLY CAME TO
APPRECIATE THAT AND ALSO I MEAN
NJ HAS UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT IT
WE EITHER #1 OR #1 IN PER CAPITA
INCOME IN THE COUNTRY AND YET
HAVE TWO OF THE POOREST CITIES
CAMDEN AND NEWARK
AND YET WE HAVE EVERY
DIFFERENT ETHNICITY WE HAVE
EVERY DIFFERENT RELIGION WE
HAVE EVERY DIFFERENT ETHNIC
MOB WHICH IS GOOD FOR A CRIME
FICTION WRITER AND YET BECAUSE
WE'RE THE DENSEST STATE IN THE
UNION ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE
CAN'T HELP BUT MASH INTO EACH
OTHER ALL THE TIME
AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THE
HIGHEST PROPERTY TAXES IN THE
NATION
RIGHT WHICH I DON'T MISS
BUT YOU DON'T WRITE ABOUT
PROPERTY TAXES
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THERE HE IS, CARNE ROSS
THE AUTHOR OF "THE
LEADERLESS REVOLUTION" GOOD
TO SEE YOU
THANKS FOR HAVING ME
IS IT NOT A FACT THAT YOU'RE A
FORMER BRITISH DIPLOMAT?
IT IS A FACT THAT I'M A FORMER
BRITISH DIPLOMAT I RESIGNED
OVER THE IRAQ WAR
2003?
I DID, YEAH, TEN YEARS AGO, YEAH
AND THE REASONS THAT YOU
RESIGNED AS A DIPLOMAT HAVE A
LOT TO DO WITH THIS BOOK AND
YOUR VIEWS ON THE LACK OF
LEADERSHIP?
WELL IT'S MORE THAT I BECAME
VERY DISILLUSIONED WITH
GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF MY
EXPERIENCE. I WORKED ON IRAQ
WMD AND ALL OF THAT AND
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
WHERE WERE THEY?
UM, WELL, THERE WERE NONE WE
THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME BUT
NOT ENOUGH TO CONSTITUTE A
THREAT AND OUR GOVERNMENTS
PRETENDED THEY WERE A THREAT
WHICH THEY WEREN'T AND I
WORKED ON THAT IN GREAT
DETAIL SO I KNEW THAT MY
GOVERNMENT WAS LYING ABOUT
IT WHICH WAS A PROFOUNDLY
DISILLUSIONING EXPERIENCE FOR
ME BUT ALSO IT WAS THE TRIGGER
FOR THIS JOURNEY THAT'S
RECOUNTED IN THE BOOK ABOUT
WHAT WOULD WORK AS A METHOD
OF RUNNING THE WORLD. WHAT
WOULD WORK AS A METHOD OF
ARBITRATING OUR AFFAIRS
TOGETHER BECAUSE EVEN
REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT
AS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED WAS
FAILING IN MANY DIFFERENT
RESPECTS SO THE BOOK IS THAT
EXPLORATION TO A DIFERENT
KIND OF POLITICS.
WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE?
WELL IT'S VERY PEOPLE-CENTERED
IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE TAKING ACTION
THEMSELVES NEGOTIATING WITH
EACH OTHER PEACEFULLY,
INCLUSIVELY, TO ACTUALLY DO
THINGS TO AFFECT THE THINGS
THAT THEY CARE ABOUT MOST
RATHER THAN ASKING OTHER
PEOPLE OR ASKING GOVERNMENTS
TO DO IT FOR THEM.
OKAY. DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
SOMEONE WOULD SAY "OK WELL
WE'VE HAD SOME OF THAT HERE IN
THE UNITED STATES LETS TAKE A
LOOK AT A COUPLE OF MOVEMENTS
THAT ARE PEOPLE-BASED
MOVEMENTS LIKE THE TEA PARTY
MOVEMENTS LIKE THE OCCUPY
MOVEMENT, RIGHT? HEY, IS THAT
WHAT CARNE'S TALKING ABOUT?"
NOT REALLY. THOUGH I'M
SYMPATHETIC TO OCCUPY AND
PART OF AN OCCUPY EFFORT TO
BUILD A NEW BANK WHICH IS
ACTUALLY MORE OF WHAT I'M
TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS
PRACTICAL ACTION TO BUILD NEW
THINGS RATHER THAN TRYING TO
CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNMENT TO
DO DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I THINK
THE WEAKNESS OF BOTH THE TEA
PARTY AND INDEED OCCUPY IS
THAT THEY'R ESSENTIALLY
PROTEST MOVEMENTS. THEY ARE
PROTESTING THE STATE OF THINGS
NOW AND THEY'RE SAYING "WE
NEED TO CAPTURE WASHINGTON
OR GET POLITICIANS TO DO THINGS
BETTER" WHICH I DON'T ACTUALLY
BELIEVE IN. I THINK THAT
CONVENTIONAL POLITICAL
INSTITUTIONS ARE FUNDAMENTALLY
BROKEN AND CORRUPTED AND
THAT THEREFORE WE HAVE TO DO
THINGS OURSELVES WE HAVE TO
START FROM THE BOTTOM
BUILDING UP NEW STRUCTURES
THAT ARE BETTER.
AND YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT VERY
SPECIFIC PRINCIPLES AND I
BELIEVE YOU TALK ABOUT NINE IN
THE BOOK. THE MOST IMPORTANT
PRINCIPLE THAT YOU TALK ABOUT
YOU SAY "WHO'S GOT THE MONEY"
"WHO'S GOT THE GUN"
YEAH. WELL THAT'S A GREAT LITTLE
SORT OF PHRASE ABOUT
ANALYZING WHERE POWER IS
BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN A POWER
ANALYSIS OF POLITICS YOU KNOW
WHO IS MAKING THE DECISIONS
WHY ARE THINGS LIKE THEY ARE?
ONE HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT
BEFORE DESIGNING YOUR OWN
ACTION TO AFFECT THAT THING
BUT THAT'S REALLY THE ANALYSIS
THAT YOU KNOW STARTS THE
ACTION THE ACTION IS MUCH MORE
IMPORTANT THAN THE ANALYSIS
IT'S REALLY A PRECURSOR TO
ACTION, WHO'S GOT THE MONEY
WHO'S GOT THE GUNS?
COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES THAT
REALLY GOT MY ATTENTION
THERE'S SO MANY HERE BUT BIG
PICTURE, SMALL DEEDS
YEAH. WELL THAT'S THE SORT OF
GHANDIAN IDEA TO PUT IT SLIGHTLY
PRETENTIOUSLY BUT CHANGE IS
OVERWHELMING HOW DO YOU
STOP CLIMATE CHANGE HOW DO
YOU IMPROVE HEALTH FOR PEOPLE
IN AFRICA HOW DO YOU CHANGE
POLITICS IN OUR COUNTRY. WHAT
CAN LITTLE YOU POSSIBLY DO?
BUT THE IDEA THERE IS YOU NEED
AN EPIC GOAL TO INSPIRE YOU
SOMETHING REALLY GREAT
SOMETHING FANTASTIC, BUT YOU
NEED TO DO SOMETHING
EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT IT'S
PRACTICAL TO GET TO THAT GOAL
BIG PICTURE, SMALL STEPS
CHANGE ACTUALLY DOESN'T
HAPPEN ON AN EPIC LEVEL
NOBODY CAN CHANGE THINGS IN
THAT WAY BUT COLLECTIVELY WE
CAN CHANGE THINGS THROUGH
THESE SMALL STEPS
SO IT'S INTERESTING IF I WERE TO
TRY TO OFFER AN ANALOGOUS
OFFER AN ANALOGY SOMEONE
SAYS "WHY?" I KNOW THIS SOUNDS
INCREDIBLY SIMPLISTIC AFTER YOU
JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT
SOMEONE SAYS "I WANNA RUN THE
MARATHON"
YEAH
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG
DEAL IF YOU'RE NEVER RUN
BEFORE
HM HMM
BUT EVERY DAY YOU CAN DO
SOMETHING SMALLER
WELL I MEANT IN SENSE THAT THAT
THE SLIGHT ANALOGY THE
DIFFERENCE IN THAT ANALOGY IS
THAT THAT'S SMAL STEPS TO BUILD
UP TO A BIG ONE HAVING THE
MARATHON
IS THIS DIFFERENT?
I AM TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING
DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT
THE SMALL STEPS CONSTITUTE THE
CHANGE THEMSELVES A FEW
ACTUAL SELVES TO LOOK AFTER
SAY THE VULNERABLE IN OUR
SOCIETY THE ELDERLY IF YOU GO
AND VISIT AN OLD PERSON IN AN
OLD PEOPLE'S HOME THAT ITSELF
CONSTITUTES CHANGE YOU'RE NOT
GONNA GLOBALLY CHANGE THAT
PROBLEM BUT YOU ARE GONNA
CHANGE IT LOCALLY AND FOR
YOURSELF
IT'S A GREAT POINT IT'S NOT SIMY
A MEANS TO AN END IT'S AN END
IN AND OF ITSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE
ACTUALLY HELPING THAT PERSON
THAT DAY
YEAH, AND YOU HAVE BEAUTIFULLY
ARTICULATED ONE OF THE OTHER
PRINCIPLES WHICH IS THE MEANS
ARE THE ENDS
THE MEANS ARE THE ENDS?
YEAH I THINK WE'VE BECOME VERY
USED TO A MODEL OF POLITICS
WHERE WE'RE TOLD THAT CHANGE
PRODUCES A CERTAIN OUTCOME
WELL THE BOOK IS SAYING YOU ARE
THE OUTCOME THAT ACTUALLY
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO NEEDS TO
BE THE OUTCOME THE END THAT
YOU SEEK. GHANDI BELIEVED THIS
YOU KNOW, TO SHOW YOUR
POLITICAL DISAFFECTION WITH THE
PROBLEM YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO
SOLVE THAT PROBLEM RATHER
THAN SEEKING TO SOLVE IT. IT'S N
IN A WAY A MUCH MORE SATISFYING
FORM OF ACTION IT'S ABOUT REAL
CHANGE RIGHT NOW IN YOUR
HANDS
BY THE WAY SOME OF THE OTHERS
"KILL THE KING"?
YES. PROVOCATIVELY PUT
DELIBERATELY BUT IN CHESS
THERE IS ONLY ONE OBJECTIVE
WHICH TO KILL THE OTHER
PERSON'S KING
BUT IN THIS COUNTRY WE DON'T
HAVE A KING
YOU DON'T
SO?
THAT IS ENTIRELY TRUE
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
WE DON'T HAVE ONE IN BRITAIN
EITHER
I KNOW I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS KEEP
YOUR EYE ON THE OBJECTIVE
ALL THE TIME DO NOT BE
SATISFIED WITH PLAYING AROUND
WITH YOUR PAWNS OR YOUR
BISHOPS THE ONLY POINT IS THE
OUTCOME. MEASURE YOUR
ACTIONS BY THE OUTCOME IF
YOU'RE WORKING TO END
GENOCIDE IF YOU ACTUALLY
HAVEN'T SAVED ONE PERSON FROM
GENOCIDE YOUR ACTION YOUR
TWITTER PETITION OR WHATEVER
HAS NOT WORKED. IT'S REALLY A
BUILDING FROM A CRITUQUE OF
THE RATHER EMPTY KIND OF
CAMPAIGNING OFTEN WE SEE ON
THE INTERNET, CELEBRITIES, THAT
IT IS ACTION NOT WORDS THAT
MATTERS
BY THE WAY THERE'S SO MANY
MORE I'LL GO THROUGH THESE
QUICKLY. HOW ABOUT "REFER TO
THE COSMOPOLITAN CRITERIA?"
DO THAT REAL QUICK AND THEN I'M
GONNA ASK YOU A FINAL QUESTION
GO AHEAD
A VERY PRETENTIOUS WAY OF
SAYING "ASK OTHER PEOPLE WHAT
THEY WANT RATHER THAN
ASSUMING THAT YOU KNOW WHAT
THEY WANT." THE GOLDEN RULE AS
IT'S CALLED WHICH IS "ACT AS IF
ACT FOR OTHERS AS YOU WOULD
BE ACTED TO YOURSELF" IS
INADEQUATE WE CAN ACTUALLY
NOW ASK PEOPLE, THEY ARE THE
BEST JUDGES OF THEIR OWN
CIRCUMSTANCE
YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE
OBVIOUSLY COMMUNICATING THE
THEMES OF THIS BOOK YOU WERE
ON STEPHEN COLBERT WHICH IS
HOW WE HEARD ABOUT YOU AND
WE'RE THRILLED THAT WE CAME
INTO OUR PUBLIC TELEVISION
STUDIO TO DO THIS THE REACTION
THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN TO THE
THEMES, THE MESSAGES, IN THIS
BOOK HAVE BEEN WHAT?
VERY PERSONAL, WEIRDLY.
EXTRAORDINARY LETTERS WHICH
ARE VERY GRATIFYING FOR ANY
AUTHOR FROM PEOPLE WHO SAID
THE BOOK HAS CHANGED THEIR
LIVES BECAUSE YOU KNOW
THEY'VE SEEN A PATH TO
VENTILATE THE FRUSTRATION THAT
THEY FEEL ABOUT POLITICS AND
THE STATE OF AFFAIRS TODAY BUT
IT'S ALSO A VERY PRATICAL DOABLE
THING IT'S NOT KIND OF "GRAND
THEORY" AND THAT HAS BEEN VERY
MOVING FOR ME AS AN AUTHOR
AND IT ALSO TELLS ME THAT
CHANGE IS NOT ABOUT GRAND
EPIC REVOLUTION IT'S ACTUALLY
ABOUT EACH OF US CHANGING THE
OWN STORY OF OUR LIVES
YOU HAVE NO REGRETS ABOUT
LEAVING THE DIPLOMATIC CORPS
DO YOU?
I AM TODAY A FREE MAN. I HAVE NO
REGRETS.
IT'S GOOD STUFF. THE LEADERLESS
REVOLUTION: HOW ORDINARY
PEOPLE WILL TAKE POWER AND
CHANGE POLITICS IN THE 21ST
CENTURY. CARNE ROSS. I WANNA
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US
THANK YOU
AND GIVING US HOPE AND GIVING
US SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO
FOCUS ON ANYWHERE NOT JUST IN
THIS COUNTRY BUT EVERY
COUNTRY THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE
AND THAT'S ALL OF US THANK YOU
CARNE
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT
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