

### The Human Soul:

### Pseudo Spirituality

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller) &

### Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck)

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### This ebook is a transcript of a seminar delivered by Jesus (AJ Miller) and Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck) on 9th June 2012 in Sydney, Australia. In this talk Jesus and Mary describe the attributes and characteristics of pseudo spirituality. They contrast pseudo spirituality with true spirituality, and explain the importance of being able to recognise pseudo spirituality, so as to avoid being misled by false spiritual teachings. This was the first of two seminars on this topic; the second is entitled "The Human Soul - True Spirituality".

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Table of Contents

### Pseudo Spirituality: Part 1

1. Introduction

1.1. Many forms of spirituality have been damaging on Earth

1.2. Possible emotional responses to the material being presented

1.2.1. Denial

1.3. Spirits influence us to keep certain belief systems

1.3.1. An example of people from certain religions continuing their influence from the spirit world

1.3.2. It is difficult for spirits to influence us when we're in a state of love, truth and humility

1.4. Possible emotional responses to the material being presented (continued)

1.4.1. Anger, disengagement, condescension and grief

2. True spirituality versus pseudo spirituality

2.1. Pseudo spirituality can create cynicism and disillusionment about all spirituality

3. Attributes of pseudo spirituality

3.1. Complex and requires intellectual reasoning

3.2. Promotes hierarchy

3.3. Illogical and doesn't make intellectual sense

3.3.1. An example of spiritual healings of the spirit body

3.4. Mystical, mysterious, flaky and irrelevant

3.5. Fake, promotes and loves the facade

3.6. Embellished, frilly, polished and marketed

3.7. Panders to fear and grief

3.7.1. Reasons for resistance to grief in society

3.7.2. An example of grieving for pets

4. The importance of recognising the attributes of pseudo spirituality

5. Attributes of pseudo spirituality (continued)

5.1. Lauds intellect and condemns emotion but also encourages emotion histrionics

5.2. Shallow, no one has to change

5.2.1. An example of world issues such as food distribution and refugees

5.3. Self-righteous, self-glorifying and self-reliant

5.3.1. An example of Western societies exploiting other societies

5.4. Metaphysical and physical emphasis

5.5. Exclusive, creates groups and cliques

5.6. Weak, light and airy, promotes indecision

6. True spirituality vs. pseudo spirituality (continued)

6.1. True spirituality can be embraced in a pseudo spiritual manner and vice versa

6.1.1. An example of scientists

7. Attributes of pseudo spirituality (continued)

7.1. Appeals to error, injury and addiction

7.1.1. An example of believing God is punishing and wrathful

7.2. Arrogant, denies true condition

7.3. Involves spirit interactions that give us the illusion that we're more developed than we actually are

7.4. Appeals to the hearts of few but many follow

7.4.1. An example of church-based religions

7.4.2. Different countries have different society-based emotions towards religion

7.4.3. Being honest with ourselves about how loving we are

7.5. Pseudo spirituality exists in the spirit world as well as on Earth

7.5.1. An example of Catholic priest spirits who wanted to kill AJ

7.6. Requires payment for services

7.6.1. An example of paying for church services or spiritual seminars

7.6.2. An example of forced morality or forced immorality

7.7. Promotes self and ownership of knowledge

7.8. Gratifies the animal

7.9. Promotes appearance of love but fails under pressure

7.10. Promotes the appearance of truth but lies become exposed when investigated

7.11. Promotes the appearance of humility while fostering pride and arrogance

### Pseudo Spirituality: Part 2

8. Pseudo spirituality promotes façade and addiction, which attracts spirit influence

8.1. An example of sexual addictions

9. Pseudo spirituality promotes addiction to metaphysical spiritual experiences

9.1. Going out of body and being over-cloaked

9.1.1. An example of people changing their name

9.1.2. An example of people giving their will away to "God"

9.2. Recovering from being over-cloaked

9.3. An example of manic depression

9.4. An example of schizophrenia

10. Spirits influence people on Earth energetically through addictions

10.1. An example of being "cheered up" by spirits

11. Discerning and overcoming negative spirit influence

11.1. Becoming ethical

11.2. Having personal integrity and using self-analysis to identify addictions

11.3. A hypothetical example of AJ having addictions with Mary

11.4. Not engaging in addictions overcomes negative spirit influence

12. Audience questions about spirit influence

12.1. An example of people looking glazed during conversations

12.2. An example of asking questions at seminars

12.3. An example of people looking glazed during conversations (continued)

12.4. Dealing with negative spirit influence by being ethical

12.5. An example of people giving their will away to "God" (continued)

12.5.1. Recognising where spiritual advice is coming from and whether it's loving

12.6. An example of a woman who was healed from panic attacks resulting from spirit attack

13. Sexual addictions and pseudo spirituality

13.1. Sexual shame and guilt can lead to two types of sexual addictions found in pseudo spirituality

13.1.1. Sexual suppression

13.1.2. Sexual promiscuity

13.1.3. Sexual suppression (continued)

13.2. Other ways sexual addictions can play out in pseudo spirituality

14. Discerning true spirituality from pseudo spirituality

14.1. Identifying the soul reasons that attract us to pseudo spirituality

15. Audience questions

15.1. Spirit presence in the audience

15.2. God allows evil spirit influence as part of the gift of free will

15.3. Using our will in harmony with love creates happiness, but using it out of harmony with love creates unhappiness

15.4. Using our will to alleviate pain and suffering

16. Closing Words

Appendix: Seminar Outline

Pseudo Spirituality: Part 1

1. Introduction

Now today's format is probably going to be a little different than we're used to doing. How many of you have not been along to an event before that we've held? So a few of you, no worries, welcome.

Mary: Welcome.

It's lovely to meet you for the first time. I suppose we should introduce ourselves to your selves. I'm Alan Miller, this is Mary Luck.

Mary: Hi.

It's a lovely last name, Luck - she's so lucky. (Laughs) I'm Jesus and Mary is Mary Magdalene. Now those are claims that we're making which we don't enforce anybody in the group to believe or understand. But we've been presenting a lot of information over a period now of, for myself, nearly nine years now, that are all do with what I call Divine Truth. We don't expect anybody to donate any money to us, we do not expect anybody to even be involved in the presentation when they're here, but we do have a donation box up the back if you wish to donate some money. Everything that we do is for free, but obviously these venues cost money and the sound equipment costs money. Also the people who are helping us are all volunteering their time for free as well, so this is something we do as a gift to everyone when we're travelling.

We find that doing this is a really incredible experience for ourselves. We get to meet lots and lots of people who are interested in spirituality. In fact one of the things we'd like to discuss with you today is spirituality itself as a concept. We would like to separate forms of spirituality into two. So the talk we'd like to give today with your permission is part of The Human Soul series of talks, and we'd like today to call the talk Pseudo Spirituality. Tomorrow we'd like to call our talk True Spirituality.

We thought the best way to present the material, because there is a lot of material that we'd like to present, is first Mary will interview me about the subject and then what we'd like to do is open it up to the audience in the second half of our session today where you just barrage us with questions if that's okay with you, that you have about the topic Pseudo Spirituality.

Mary: All right, I've got some notes here that we've talked about beforehand so I'm just going to ask AJ some questions and guide our discussion through the topic, making sure we don't forget anything or miss anything. We had an alternate title for this talk; do you remember what it was?

I can't quite remember. I think it was something to do with fake spirituality.

Mary:: It was, "Beware of Spiritual Claptrap."

Oh that's right! (Laughs)

1.1. Many forms of spirituality have been damaging on Earth

"Beware of spiritual claptrap" because we feel quite strongly there are a lot of forms of spirituality on the planet today, which seem like spirituality, but in reality don't really have much of a positive effect on humanity. If you look at a lot of forms of spirituality historically, you can see that historically so-called spiritually has often caused a lot of damage to the planet and damage to humankind. A lot of wars have been caused by people who say that they are spiritual or who say they are interested in God, and a lot of pain and suffering has been the result of those particular conflicts.

We also see in families and in terms of society there is often quite a lot of heavy projection at the next generation of society to remain in the same place that the previous generation is in. Much of that pressure comes from religious pressure, to follow the same religion as your dad or mum followed, to follow the same belief systems that your dad and mum had.

So we see there are whole forms of spirituality on the planet that are actually preventing the planet from progressing forward. If you look all through the Dark Ages, there are whole forms of spirituality that stopped the planet from progressing forward with regard to the investigation of science. Many people who were scientifically inclined were placed in prison for most of their life in fact because of their investigations that conflicted with the different so-called spiritual views at the time. And we see this kind of forms of spirituality as quite damaging to society, quite damaging to the long-term benefit of societies' progression. So that's why we've called it spiritual clap trap. [00:17:02.01]

1.2. Possible emotional responses to the material being presented

Mary: Obviously from what you're saying there's a lot of that kind of spirituality existent in our lives even in our core belief systems, even if we're not aware of it. So for that reason, when we present this material it's possible that people will go through a series of emotions. Could you talk to us about that?

1.2.1. Denial

Yes, I find that a lot of times when we present material that's a little confronting, there's usually denial initially that says, "Oh, well it's not that bad, things are not much of a problem, we have not that many problems on Earth with regard to this particular issue." The reality is that religious opposition and persecution are still one of the primary motivations of pain and suffering on the Earth. They're one of the primary creators of pain and suffering on the Earth. So from my perspective, I see denial as a very dangerous point of view, because if we stay in denial about what's actually happening on the Earth and what its underlying causes are we don't ever have a chance to change it, we don't ever have a chance to grow. So we need to stay away from denial really.

1.3. Spirits influence us to keep certain belief systems

Mary: Yep. And it's true as well, isn't it, that there are many spirits who are invested in us staying the same and they can keep us in a state of denial?

Yes, many people don't realise initially perhaps, but many people when they pass over into the spirit world, they hold onto their same set of belief systems that they had on the Earth. But not only do they hold onto those belief systems, they also then try to enforce or push those belief systems upon people on Earth from the spirit world. There's around 22 billion spirits in the spirit world that are earthbound. In other words, they still surround the Earth and influence what happens on the Earth to a large extent. These spirits have a large impact upon the belief systems and how fast we change our beliefs on the Earth. Because if you've got a whole heap of people around you who are trying to force you into having exactly the same belief as you currently have, that's a lot of pressure to not change.

This is what has happened over many, many centuries in society. Even like I said during the Dark Ages, you had all of these religious spirits who are in the spirit world, who were oppressing the scientists trying to prevent the scientists from investigating any forms of scientific truth because they felt that it would in some way come in opposition with their religious beliefs. So they oppress and cause other people to oppress those particular individuals. So yes there is quite a large amount of spirit influence as well to prevent us from examining true spirituality versus living in this pseudo spiritual belief system that is actually damaging, not only to our selves but also to society. [00:20:04.12]

1.3.1. An example of people from certain religions continuing their influence from the spirit world

Participant: Hi AJ, it occurred to me as you were speaking, I've always thought of spirit as being a one to one attachment. Spirit will talk to me; another spirit will talk to me. There are people that are trapped and from what you're saying there, pretty much holding on to their beliefs. I'm thinking well, if the Pope died, would he try and organise a whole bunch of bishops to act on us? In other words are they individuals on that side, or do they tend to create groups at that level to control us?

You've got to remember when a person passes over that they actually don't change their belief systems very much at all. So for the majority of people they retain exactly the belief systems that they had on Earth, and the only difference is they know they have passed, generally, and sometimes even that's not true because I've talked to spirits who are not even aware that they have passed yet. But most of them know they have passed and so they know they are now in a different dimensional existence, if you could call it that, but they have exactly the same belief systems and exactly the same purpose, exactly the same skills, exactly the same injured state as well. So if their desire on Earth was to control large groups of people into a certain form of religion then their desire once they pass into the spirit world will remain exactly the same as that. So they will still want to control large groups of people on Earth and in the spirit world into that religion.

So I've actually had conversations with spirits in the spirit world where many of them have been organisers of religion on Earth when they lived on Earth and they're still trying to organise the same religion in the spirit world. They have groups of spirits surrounding them who they try to keep under control with the same sets of beliefs and they are still trying to influence people on Earth with the same set of beliefs.

This is one of the impediments to our humanity growing. If we're going to grow as a race we need to have people who are willing to investigate all forms of scientific endeavour; not just the forms of scientific endeavour that certain religions approve of or certain types of belief systems approve of. We need to be able to have the freedom to use our will in a loving manner, to investigate everything. When we receive oppression, it is then very hard for us to then investigate things in a loving manner because we feel like we're going to get attacked and we're often afraid of being attacked and so therefore we shut down and we don't investigate.

So I feel having all of these groups organised in the spirit world, in the lower areas of the spirit would - they're not developed in love yet - and they're all still trying to maintain their control systems on the Earth in the same manner they were as when they lived on Earth, is one of the main impediments actually of humanity changing and society changing into a more loving society. The problem with that is that many people on Earth feel very oppressed because of that.

1.3.2. It is difficult for spirits to influence us when we're in a state of love, truth and humility

Participant: Thank you very much for that, that's a great answer. One of the thoughts I have is, if an individual acts upon me, it's my energy against theirs. Am I now fighting a collated group, is their power as a group of people on me much greater than an individual in spirit?

Yes, the short answer I suppose to that is yes. Obviously whenever a group of people act upon an individual, the individual feels the group's power as stronger than their own. If you think about it on Earth, if you had a group of people all attacking you and saying you're doing the wrong thing, there's a higher likelihood of the average person just acceding to their will rather than following their own will, because of the potential for attack and abuse. In the spirit world there are groups of spirits who do the same thing. They gang up on a person and try to influence that person down a certain path.

Now the only exception to that, and this is one thing we'd like to discuss about real spirituality tomorrow, is that when we're in a state of love and truth and humility ourselves, it's very, very hard for even a group of people to have a powerful influence over us as an individual.

If you look historically at people who stand out in society over the last few thousand years, they've always been individuals who can cope with attack without changing their loving stance. For instance, in the last century, look at ones like Ghandi for example as a stand out individual. You can see that even though he was attacked by society, attacked by politicians and placed in prison on many occasions, he didn't change the way he acted because he was in a state of love, and truth and humility himself. Even though other people around him acted in certain ways, it didn't really affect him or change him into changing his position or opinions. This is the mark of a person who has courage enough to face their fears and still present the truth. That's what in the end I feel all of us need to be. We all need to be that.

Now if we are all that, if we are a person who has courage for truth, courage to stay in a place of love then it is very, very hard for any particular individual here on Earth or in the spirit world, to affect us negatively. So my recommendation is to always get into a stronger state of truth and love and humility yourself; once you do that it is very, very hard for individuals either on Earth or in the spirit world to negatively influence you. [00:26:08.21]

Participant: Thank you very much.

Pleasure.

1.4. Possible emotional responses to the material being presented (continued)

Mary: Okay, before we launch into what is pseudo spirituality, just some other emotions that might come up for people, because obviously we might be challenging some beliefs that they hold quite dearly.

Most of the time when a belief is challenged, the first set of ideas or feelings that a person might have is denial, the denial type of feelings. They're the type of feelings, "Oh, I can't believe that's true. Nah, I don't think that's possible," without any investigation of whether it's true or not.

1.4.1. Anger, disengagement, condescension and grief

Mary: Also sometimes a disengagement or a condescension.

Yeah, so a condescending feeling is a way of protecting your own fear, if you like. Then often times we get angry as well. So anger is an indication that there is some fear underneath about that particular subject. Quite often when you're challenging belief systems the fear is, "Oh, I've spent twenty years formulating that belief system and now you're telling me that there's something wrong with it?" Well that's very difficult to face. And so for the majority of people they have a tendency to feel angry at first, rather than face their fear that maybe their belief system does have some logical issues with it or emotional issues with it that need to be addressed.

There may also at some point be some kind of grief that is associated with those particular things because if you've spent ten or twenty years of your life investigating all forms of belief systems where you've followed to a point, and you're now at a point where you feel fairly solid in your belief systems, and all of a sudden somebody coming along calling himself Jesus is confronting you on a lot of levels. Just the fact that he's calling himself that but also the fact that he's presenting some things that feel quite confronting that often results in a bit of anger and a bit of fear. Hence a feeling inside of a desire to attack.

Now obviously in our seminars, as you know Mary and I don't generally allow people who are angry with us to remain in our audience for too long, which is an issue of love of ourselves. We do all of these things for free, so we don't feel it's fair that we then get attacked by somebody who's come along sitting in a seat that we've paid for actually, or other people have paid for, for them, and then attacking us. But we do feel that sincere questioning is a very, very good thing. So we do need to question and we hope that our audience does that inside of themselves as well. Allow yourself the ability to question and don't worry about whether you feel like you were wrong or right or any of those kinds of things; if we just share the questions often lots of people not only in the audience but also in the world benefit from the questions.

2. True spirituality versus pseudo spirituality

Mary: Okay then, can we just then contrast; what is this idea of true spirituality versus pseudo spirituality.

Alright, well I would say true spirituality is the kind of spirituality that changes our heart, and causes us to become more loving, more truthful and more humble in all of our interactions in our day-to-day life. And in addition to that, it causes us to be able to connect with God and receive Love from God in such a way that it transforms the soul; not only in one moment in time but also transforms the soul continuously for the rest of our existence. So in other words it has this infinite character or nature to it. True spirituality allows us to continually change, continually evolve into a better being. And if I define better as a person who's more loving, more truthful, more humble, easier to get along with, more joyous, happier with their day-to-day life, happier in their relationships - that's true spirituality. And any form of investigation that enables that, I feel is a part of true spirituality.

Let's contrast that with pseudo spirituality. Pseudo spirituality is the spirituality you have when you don't have real spirituality. [00:30:39.08]

Mary: What is that? Clayton's spirituality (Laughs)

What do we call it in Australia? Clayton's spirituality. (Laughs) It's the kind of spirituality that causes us to eventually put on a facade, that our heart really isn't changed that we don't become more loving in our day-to-day life, we just become more selective in our day-to-day life. We don't become more truthful, we just avoid untruthful situations and we don't become more humble, we don't look at ourselves very much, we look at everything else and what's wrong with the rest of society. In addition to that it stops us from having a relationship with people or certain types of people, it causes barriers. It also stops us and prevents us from having a long term growing relationship with God, and as a result of that it causes us to go into stagnation.

So when a person is involved in pseudo spirituality, eventually they get to the point where it no longer feels that it satisfies them. So many in the audience may have noticed that with their investigation of spiritual matters, they've progressed to a certain point in a certain path and they've investigated it fully, and sometimes got fully involved in the entire thing and got to a point where you can feel, no, there's a lot wrong now. There's a lot wrong with where I'm going on this path now. Then you finish up stopping and then deciding, I've got to look for something else now. So you turn and look for something else instead. And that's a sign that that original thing that you were looking at was part of the pseudo spiritual movement, if you like. [00:32:15.17]

2.1. Pseudo spirituality can create cynicism and disillusionment about all spirituality

Mary: And we're saying that this pseudo spiritual movement is so rife on the planet, aren't we, and I feel that is because often it is quite scary for us to really look inside our heart and so the facade I know for myself becomes very attractive. If I could just think my way through this whole thing and be a better person, I wouldn't have to face how I am now. So I can see why that happens. But when we go down a path and we get basically to the end of it where we think we can't relate to this anymore, and we try another one and another one, and eventually it gets tiring. There's so much grief involved because you put your whole heart into it. I feel like there's pseudo spirituality and then there's a lot of cynicism about spirituality isn't there?

Yes, because what happens when we involve ourselves in the investigation of a pseudo spiritual path, we might have done it for ten or fifteen years, many of us have done it for whole lives to a certain point, and then all of a sudden it dawns upon you that there are whole areas that are wrong with it, then there's a tendency to become very cynical about all forms of spirituality. Both Mary and I have seen that many times, where people have come along to the sessions with so much cynicism because they've just spent their entire life looking at different areas of spirituality and then they've realised that there's always something wrong in the end. So in the end they start going well, "There's no point to examine or to look".

Participant: Is this the same with the spirits in the spirit world? Their beliefs around re-incarnation and being a Christian, and what happens when you get to the spirit world; that's why they stop the search once they get there?

Yes, that happens very much so. Many people would think on the Earth that once you entered the spirit world you'd have far more openness to search, but often times what happens is exactly the opposite of that. Let's say they were a Christian, and they've been involved in the Christian movement all of their life and they expect when they pass that they will be with Jesus in the heavens next to God. Then all of a sudden they pass over and they're not with Jesus in the heavens next to God. Many Christians then become very disillusioned with their entire belief system so they throw out everything. They think that none of it could have been true, and while there are bits and pieces of it true, they even throw out all those bits and pieces and make out that none of its true because they're so disillusioned with the fact that their belief system was not satisfied once they had passed. That applies to almost all forms of religion for people who pass.

There are many people who pass who have not yet embraced their true spirituality, which we'll talk more about tomorrow. So what they've done is they've lived their lives in a pseudo spiritual state with expectations about what would happen when they pass. Then, when they pass over, those expectations are not fulfilled and so they feel very disillusioned, they feel very angry and upset with their religion oftentimes. And as a result of that they attempt to influence people on the planet on the opposite direction that they themselves were involved in when they were on Earth. I've talked to many, many thousands of spirits who have been in that state. [00:35:54.05]

3. Attributes of pseudo spirituality

Mary: So maybe we could just move on to describe some of the hallmarks of pseudo spirituality, some of the things that we often see - the attributes if you like, of pseudo spiritual practice.

Yeah, that'll be good I think. We'll do them one at a time.

3.1. Complex and requires intellectual reasoning

Mary: The first thing on the list is that it's, "often complex and requires a lot of intellectual reasoning".

So this is one of the attributes of pseudo spirituality.

Mary: Has anyone been involved in a spiritual path that required a lot of head? Yep.

So tomorrow we'll present what the contrast is to this with true spirituality. If you look at a lot of pseudo spirituality on the planet, it requires you to nut it out like, "Oh, there's that and there's that". For example with a lot of the metaphysical stuff that you see presented, you've got to learn about the spirit body and you've got to learn about all of these so-called bodies that we have, and you've got to learn about how you can think a certain way and change you relationship between that and the body. Now, for the average two or three year old child, that's pretty difficult.

Mary: Yes.

My feelings are, that true spirituality is very different, because true spirituality will let the two or three year old child understand it.

Mary: Absolutely.

But pseudo spirituality needs an adult, sometimes with a degree, to understand. (Laughs) So we have to have a lot of intellectual reasoning, a lot of intellectual argumentation, a lot of philosophical reasoning, and often it's in disharmony with logic as well. So that's part of the problem. [00:37:49.21]

Mary: So why does that appeal to so many people? What are the emotions that drive us to think, "Yes, this must be spirituality"?

One of the primary emotions is the emotion of wanting things to be clever, so that then we can think we're clever. So if we believe a clever thing, then that makes us clever. And that comes from an unhealed emotion in us, where intellect is lauded as God basically. Inside of us we often feel that we're not clever enough when we look for belief systems like that. So we become addicted to clever belief systems that in the end we often find are not very logical and prevent our development actually.

3.2. Promotes hierarchy

Mary: Yeah and I suppose one of the other features we talked about was that it often promotes hierarchy in relationships, and that relates to that emotion as well, doesn't it? If we're used to feeling inadequate, or if we're used to not feeling clever, and then we engage in something that makes us feel clever but only with the people who "get it", then we're immediately setting up a hierarchy with other people, aren't we?

Yes and this is where we see a lot of pseudo spiritual forms on the planet require a guru to teach a disciple, the disciple then becomes a guru over a period of time and he teaches the next disciple. So you find in a lot of Eastern forms of spirituality in particular where a person has a guru they connect with and it's looked down upon if they leave that guru to do their own investigation. If you look in the Christian religious form, you've often got the priest and the laity, the priesthood class and the laity - the people who the priests are meant to serve, but instead most of the time they finish up bossing them around. [00:40:08.05]

Mary: And even above the priests then we have bishops and archbishops.

Of course, you've got a hierarchy above that as well. And then often times with other religious forms, the Muslim religion and so forth, you have very similar levels of hierarchy. So anything that promotes hierarchy has to be questioned because in the end we are all equal; it would make sense, if we were created by a God, that we must all be God's children and so therefore we must all have an equal stance in God's Eyes. And if that's the case, then we've got to question all forms of hierarchy, in fact.

Now there's a difference between hierarchy and authority because obviously if we look at a normal society, there does need to be a degree of authority for a normal society to run in a manner that's loving, in particular. If love became the authority, if love and truth were the actual authority that we all had to abide by, then we'd have no problems and we wouldn't need a hierarchy at all, in fact. So the issue with hierarchy is all about pseudo spirituality.

Often you and I are accused of having a cult, which is one of the fears of society about hierarchy. The reality is, and anybody who knows us and who spends time with us, knows that we are not into hierarchy at all. We are not into controlling peoples' lives telling them what to do. All we do is just have discussions like this where people can make up their own mind and take what they wish or want from it and leave the rest as they will. They can also work on their own relationship with God; they don't need a mediator, so therefore they don't need somebody in a better position than themselves.

That being said, it is very handy at times having to learn from somebody who is obviously more of something. For example, if we go along to a university of some kind, we would expect the person who's teaching us at university to know more about the subject than we do, otherwise its pointless going. It's the same when it comes to subjects related to spirituality. There are obviously people on the planet that would know more than other people do about that subject, and it is advisable to talk with them but not to worship them or laud them.

So it's really, we're talking here about the idea of status and someone having more worth than another because they are more developed in some way. [00:42:46.02]

Mary: So pseudo spirituality often promotes that underlying feeling.

It promotes the feeling of status, this idea that we're all equal, but some people are more equal than others. (Laughs) Which is that very communistic distortion that occurred to communism. So I feel that is a major mark again of spirituality that is going to be stagnant to human development.

3.3. Illogical and doesn't make intellectual sense

Mary: Yep, beautiful. Okay, so one of the other things we listed that you've touched on is that, "it's often illogical". So when we engage our logical mind, it often doesn't make a lot of sense.

Yeah, so pseudo spirituality is often illogical.

Mary: It doesn't make a lot of sense.

It doesn't make intellectual sense.

Mary: Yeah. When we engage our rational mind, often with spiritual movements we're asked to disengage our rational mind and just have faith. And really that's not a mark of true spirituality, is it?

Yes, and you see that in all forms of religion that are very prevalent on the planet. If again we look at the so-called Christian religion that's currently portrayed on the planet, we can see that they have this belief system of the Holy Trinity, which is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost; all three being co-equal, co-eternal and also omniscient. Therefore they believe that Jesus is the same as God. Quite often one of the main attacks that I get from the media is that I'm claiming that I'm God. I've never claimed that at all and never will. I am not God, I'm just a person who's name is Jesus. And that's it. The reason why they believe that is because often in pseudo spirituality, mysticism is generally loved. So in other words, it's great when you've just got to have faith, and no logic and no intellectual sense because when someone says to you, " I can't see how that works", you can say "Oh I know, it's not understandable, nothing of God is understandable, so you've just got to take it by faith". It's a great way of avoiding lots of logical questions. So that's very good. [00:45:21.02]

Participant: How is it possible for pseudo spirituality to require intellectual reasoning and have no intellectual sense? Isn't that a contradiction?

No it's not actually. Because what happens is that they require intellectual reasoning with regard to understanding certain things metaphysically in a complex nature. But often when you examine the complex nature of the metaphysics, it hasn't got logical sense. So it requires a huge amount of intellect and philosophy to understand but in the end, once you get down to the nuts and bolts of it, it is not logical.

3.3.1. An example of spiritual healings of the spirit body

If I can give an example of this: in metaphysics, in a lot of so-called New Age spirituality today there is this concept that if you fix the spirit body's energy systems, then you automatically heal the physical body. That's the concept. What they do to fix the spirit body's energy systems is they generally get a person on a table, and they work on the spirit body of the individual with the aid of some spirits, but also with the aid of energy healing and different apparatus on Earth, and they get the spirit body into a state of what they call, "all of the chakras open". In other words a state of one, or oneness, they work on the spirit body.

Now, firstly to understand all of that is quite complicated, in terms of understanding how that works and so forth. But in the end it's not very logical, because what happens is usually that person walks out the door and then within a week gets their spirit body back into exactly the same state that it was the week before they went to the person who's the therapist. So from a logical perspective, while that work did have a temporary effect on the body and the spirit body of the individual, doing it obviously hasn't permanently solved the problem. So there's got to be something else going on. And they say, "Oh, it just means that you didn't engage the process intellectually and so forth," but even that doesn't make sense logically. Why do you have to engage something intellectually when your body is full of emotions and feelings? Surely it would also need your emotions and feelings to be involved in what happens.

So what I'm saying here is that pseudo spirituality involves a lot of complex intellectual reasoning, but the reasoning is not logical. When we start applying logic to the intellectual reasoning, we can start seeing where it falls down. That's basically what we're saying, so there isn't a contradiction between these two points, but it's great that you pointed that out because most people feel there is a contradiction between those two points. [00:48:04.12]

Mary: Other examples that come to mind are texts that are very intellect heavy like "A Course in Miracles" or the "Urantia Book", where reading them involves a lot of my intellectual attention. I think, "Okay, what does that mean? What does that mean? What does that mean?" And I can read for half a day and then I sit down and I go, "But hang on, that doesn't make sense. Logically I don't understand how that helps me grow."

So you often see this bombardment of complex intellectual reasoning, but when you really analyse it, simply, with logic, you often see that there are holes in it; there are holes in the arguments. And it's the holes that cause our soul to doubt. So whenever we see holes in things, we then go into doubt, which is understandable. We need to do that because obviously it's showing us that there's something wrong.

Once we find the true spirituality, which I would call God's Spirituality, the way God created us to be; there should be no holes, and everything should be answered. It should be something that as we grow with it, the answers become even more fascinating but they build upon the previous answers. That would make sense if everything was logical and everything was simple to understand as the basic ground roots foundation, and then as we built on that foundation and gained more and more knowledge through a process, then that knowledge would just build on the foundation. We wouldn't have to throw out the foundation every time. And that's the difference between pseudo spirituality and true spirituality. [00:49:44.19]

3.4. Mystical, mysterious, flaky and irrelevant

Mary: Yeah. Okay so next on our list we had, "mystical and mysterious, flaky and irrelevant". (Laughs) I suppose I can relate some examples here for myself. Obviously I'm not the only woman on the planet claiming to be Mary Magdalene, and at times I get contacted by other women who are making such claims. Not to make a generalisation of all of them but some of them certainly are very invested in the mystical Earth mother womb thing that seems very mystical, mysterious and seems to hold deep meaning. But when I investigate, or engage a discussion, I find that a lot of what they're saying is just very pretty words, that's not based in a real practice in life or in a relationship with God.

And then when you engage them they often respond in rage, which is proof that they're not loving and is also proof that they're not very developed from a spiritual perspective.

Mary: And my feeling is that beautiful words become very irrelevant and quite flaky if they're not based in anything that means anything in our life.

Yes. So I feel there are a lot of forms of spirituality that have become so focused on the mysterious that everybody gets fascinated, because it's all mysterious. They get fascinated and involved in everything but after a while, the mysterious also starts to turn you off as well. It starts to frustrate you; it feels like there are no answers to any question that you ask. It feels so difficult to understand again.

As a result what we often go through with a lot of these forms of investigation, is we investigate the mysterious and then because there's seemingly no real answer that makes any logical sense or emotional sense, we then finish up going, "Well, I don't know". It then causes us to go "well I don't know" about everything and to give up even investigating any further. I feel that is a major problem because the reality is true spirituality gives us answers; it gives us very clear answers and most of the time it gives us very simple answers about very complex matters. It also appeals to our soul so much because we are in the end - Razon's theorem is the theorem that most of our souls are built by, which is this whole idea that if it's the most simple explanation, then it's probably the truth. [00:52:32.14]

Mary: Yep. But I suppose, and this probably leads to another point, that many of us are addicted to mystery aren't we? We're addicted to the facade, and it seems like our whole world really loves bright shiny pretty things.

And it doesn't even matter if it has got any function. As long as it's pretty, it's great.

Mary: I'm thinking now of my earrings, but anyway. (Laughs) Because one of the points we've got here is that, "pseudo spirituality often appeals to the error within us". So if we're not wanting to confront the realness inside of us then, pseudo spirituality and all this mysticism and everything can become a great way of avoiding things, can't it?

Yep, in a very big way.

Mary: Our addictions and our injuries can be fed.

3.5. Fake, promotes and loves the facade

Mary: And that's the next point, which is, "fake, promotes and loves the facade".

Yes. So we're saying it's fake and it promotes and loves facade. Now the problem with our society generally is that it is fake and promotes facade. Because a lot of times, if you look at the general reasons why we do many things even in society, we do it because of how things look to other people. We even know ourselves many times that it's not really how we're portraying it, but the reality is it looks good to others and so we continue to engage it because we then get their approval and their acceptance. And this is what is the underlying emotion driving this with pseudo spirituality. Because there is no true real heart change, then they have to fake a loving condition rather than actually be in a loving condition. So there's a big difference between those two states; faking a loving condition and being in a loving condition.

If we're truly in a loving condition, when we get under pressure our love does not change. When we're not in a loving condition and we're just in a fake condition, when we're put under pressure, how we respond changes, and it becomes less loving. This is a good indication that it's only a fake spirituality; it's not yet hit our heart, because when spirituality hits our heart, it changes our heart in such a way, where it's impossible for us to act in an unloving manner. This is why I find it interesting with those many people who email you about being Mary Magdalene, who often at the same time are abusive, swearing at you, and quite violent in their emails and to me that's a great indication - they're under pressure and look how they're acting now. And there is a problem there. [00:55:27.24]

Mary: Yeah, I find it bizarre to think that I exert any pressure, but anyway.

Their internal pressure is their fear that they might not be saying what is true. There's been many times when you've been put under pressure but you haven't acted in the same manner. So, where people have criticised you and said that you're definitely not Mary Magdalene, and that's fine, you've said, "That's okay, you're allowed to believe that," so that's fine. It's a totally different response, which is an indication of more real development than pseudo spiritual development.

Mary: Thanks, babe.

Not a problem. (Laughs)

A lot of people don't understand what kind of emails and stuff we receive and I feel a lot of times those heavy attacking emails that we receive are an immediate indication of the lack of real development in the heart of the people who are attacking.

3.6. Embellished, frilly, polished and marketed

Mary: Yeah. Okay, another thing we have got here is, "embellished, frilly, polished and marketed" (Laughs). We're really getting a visual image here. Who can think of one?

We came up with a lot of these when we were travelling to England, and we would have loved to have given this talk to an audience in England, but the majority of the audience in England were over-cloaked by spirits and none of the spirits would let us give the talk.

Mary: Yeah, it was quite intense.

So the spirits kept distracting us. So in the end we gave up the whole concept of being able to give the talk until another time when we had an audience that was a bit more open to the concepts.

Mary: Frilly, polished, and marketed. Now you and I are not opposed to things looking good, but we certainly don't have a smoke machine. (Laughs)

When our videos are edited they're not all prettied up. The polished and marketed is interesting because that's been part of religious life for many, many thousands of years. We often see ministers dressed in this garb, which is not only expensive, but also quite impractical at times and they're head to toe with it, which is an indication that they are the minister. In other words it separates them and it gives them status. We often see this in all forms of religion where there are these polished things.

I once went along to a New Age seminar of a person who is quite popular and world renowned, it was here in Sydney actually. She walked out onto the stage dressed in this white robe, and she stood up and she walked out onto the stage and she held her hands out like this (demonstrates holding arms straight out from his sides) and her robe was dressed like an angel and it made her look like an angel with wings and I thought, yep, that's a person who's into a form of that's frilly, polished and marketed. While that form of spirituality may initially feel attractive, it really is appealing to the eyes and it's also appealing to some underlying emotions within a person that things have to look good to actually be true. [00:58:46.03]

Mary: Do you think that's because inherently we know that God and spirituality should be beautiful, but we're just not willing to face how it is now. Do you think that's why it's so appealing to us?

Yes, I think that's part of it. I feel that it's more to do with our definition of what is beautiful. You see on Earth we don't necessarily see love as beautiful. We see love as weak. So when a person actually displays love, we don't necessarily notice them very much. In fact many people on Earth who display love are not noticed well at all. And many of the people who are not loving are well renowned on the planet and this is because we don't really respect love. We believe love is a weak quality to display, and I feel a lot of it's to do with that. We embellish it so that it looks good so that at least there's another attractor other than the love itself.

Mary: Yeah. I think that's been my thing before I started having memories. I was on this spiritual quest as well and I'd always get to a point where I'd think, "I can't feel love in this situation. It's all words and pretty and all of that but where is the love that's growing?" Because that was always the feeling for me.

And the reality is that true spirituality will always cause us to develop in love. We'll always become more loving. More loving in our relationships, more loving in our day-to-day life, more loving towards the environment and many other areas, which we'll list tomorrow.

3.7. Panders to fear and grief

Mary: Yeah. Okay the next one on the list is interesting; we said, "It panders to fear and grief". What do you mean by that?

When I say panders to it, what I mean is it tries to prevent both emotions. It tries to make both of those emotions go away rather than actually being felt. In other words, it panders to fear. Much of society is in fear about all sorts of things. The media are great at pandering to society's fear; they've learnt that the way to sell papers is to get the worst possible story you can, beat it up as much as you possibly can, cause everybody to be terrified and then they'll have lots of sales.

Mary: So there you're not saying it takes away peoples fear, it resonates with the fear in people.

It resonates with their fear and actually in a way it actually generates more fear. This is the trouble with pandering to fear; pandering to fear actually, usually causes an individual to grow in fear. If you look at most of the religious formats that are on the planet today, most of them cause people who are a part of that religion to actually have more fear rather than less. So for example, in the Christian religious forms there's a huge fear of God. Then you look at the Muslin religion, and there's a huge fear of God as well. So they're two big religions on the planet, close to one half of the world's population is governed by these two religious forms, and yet they both have a huge fear of God. And they pander to that fear; they inculcate this fear into their constituents, if you could call them constituents.

Mary: Followers, believers.

Believers, but not only that, they don't just state the truth; they present the truth in such a way as to modify behaviour, to push a person into a certain form of behaviour. The alternative is; growing forms of religion now on the planet are almost entirely the opposite of stating the truth, which I still feel is pandering to fear. What they do is they try to avoid any subject that could cause anybody to feel afraid. So they avoid talking about what's happening to the Earth. In fact there's a general philosophy in the USA for example, when it comes to environmental discussion, that if you talk about the environment from the point of view of immediate impact, then you're going to have not very many people listen to you because they are mostly worried about their social and economic impact. So anything that causes people to fear immediate impact, they won't actually listen to.

So there are whole groups of religions as well on the planet, or forms of spiritual development, that try to avoid any confrontation of any fear. [01:03:35.09]

Mary: So basically you're saying we're avoiding the confrontation of fear in both situations, aren't we? We're either saying, "Yes, be afraid, be afraid, be afraid, but never confront that fear or deny..."

Or release it.

Mary: Never release it or just deny, "La la la nothing's happening." (Mary puts her fingers in her ears)

Yeah, (AJ puts his fingers in his ears) "La la la la - that's not happening" (Laughter); head in the sand ostrich style, and that is also another way that many belief systems create this way, so that we can avoid the truth. And truth is sometimes going to be confronting, sometimes truth will cause us to feel afraid. Not because the truth is unloving, but because we have unloving belief systems inside of us that need to be released. So truth will always confront error, and will confront fear; it won't pander to it. But it also won't want the individual to stay in it either, so it doesn't try to manipulate the person with their fear.

The same applies to grief. I see the same happening with many forms of religion, and some belief systems are created to prevent you from even experiencing grief. Grief is a primary emotion that most people on the planet have that we need to release at some point because most of us have been treated badly at some point in our lives. As a result we need to release this grief, but a belief system that panders to our grief or supports our grief, in the sense that it wants us to be in grief or it wants us to completely avoid our grief - either one is going to be damaging. Also I feel it's another way of defining pseudo spirituality. It's not real; it's not going to change us if we stay in that state.

Mary: Yeah, because I suppose what I see in a lot of New Age, if I can call it that, or Eastern philosophy, is there's quite a lot of condescension regarding the expression of fear and grief. And then in things like Islam and Christianity in many of those populations, there's a promotion of living in fear, even of each other at times, or of God, of different things, to maintain a sense of loss but never actually grieve.

Yes.

Mary: Or skip over grief in some pseudo kind of a way.

Yes. So people often end up with this very nostalgic viewpoint of their own religion. That's why many times they can't give it up for something that is more positive because they have this feeling of nostalgia, which is connected to their own grief that they can't give up their religion without having to lose something. And really what they end up losing is they'll have to grieve and then they'd be comfortable with change. But many are not comfortable with change as a result.

3.7.1. Reasons for resistance to grief in society

Participant: Why is grief so unattractive in our society when it does such good for us?

It's a very good question. The main reason why it's so unattractive, I believe, is for most people it's a painful emotion. I've often spoken with people, who've just had a loved one die for example, and we have so many complex belief systems about death, that most of us don't believe that a person who dies is still alive, so we feel like we've lost them forever. So this is an underlying emotion that exists in most people on the planet.

Now when we lose a loved one, we then start going through that emotion. But the rest of society has that emotion, and so what happens when they see a person going through the emotion they themselves have that they don't want to feel, is they'll then project at the individual that, "One week of grief is enough now, you've cried enough now, you've got to get on with your life." So I feel there is a lot of fear about feeling the emotions of grief. Many people believe that if they feel an emotion, they'll get caught up in it forever. The reality is quite the opposite, but many people believe they'll be caught forever if they feel an emotion. And so what they do is, they spend a lot of their life avoiding the emotion, or attempting to avoid the emotion. As a result of that society generally is attempting to avoid the emotion.

So it's been even very interesting when we've interacted with the media. We've had people of the media come and be present with their "secret cameras and hidden cameras" in an audience where everyone can see, and it's interesting as soon as I speak with a person in the audience and they connect with some grief, they immediately hone the camera on the person. And then they talk and they say how bad it is that I've now caused the person to feel grief and there's this whole society concept that actually if you help a person connect with their grief, that you're somehow damaging them. So there are a lot of very damaging belief systems about grief. [01:08:45.15]

Mary: And also I think from my experience Yvette, and I think it's common for many people, is when we're young and we connect with and express our grief, because the adults around us are already in such a state of denial of their grief, or they're invested in us making them avoid their grief, it becomes threatening for them and they immediately want to shut us down. So we associate the experience of grief with punishment. Like, "Whoa, how's everyone going to react to me grieving now?" So there's a fear on top of just grieving.

3.7.2. An example of grieving for pets

Participant: I've noticed that it's okay to grieve for pets.

Mary: Yes.

I've noticed that, yes.

Participant: Why is that?

In fact, many people grieve for their pets, more than they grieve for people. (Laughs)

Participant: Maybe it allows them to then grieve for other things, under the disguise of grieving for pets.

Exactly. That's exactly what is happening. What happens is when we are attached to anything that there is more of a society allowance of us doing something about, it will have a lot of other emotions about other things but they'll be imposed upon the process that we're in. So what happens for many people is that there's a small trigger in their life, of something but because it connects to so many other things in their life, and they then connect to all of this heavy grief and they wonder, "Why am I crying so much?"

Mary: Also, people experience a sense of unconditional love from their pets that they often don't from others. So they're actually grieving the lack of love in their entire life when they lose this pet.

Often that's the case.

Mary: Because this pet's helping them avoid that.

4. The importance of recognising the attributes of pseudo spirituality

Alright, there's still another 20 or so attributes of pseudo spirituality to go.

Mary: Yep. There's lot's to go.

One of the things I'd like to point out with this discussion is if you add all of these things together, you can see what defines pseudo spirituality, and then what you can do is go, "Okay, anytime I see these particular things present in some form of spirituality, when I'm investigating it I've got to be careful with it because obviously it's potentially got some problems with it."

When we go through the list tomorrow and see the contrast between pseudo spirituality and true spirituality, you'll see greatly the difference between the two. And when we do that we'll create a similar list. Why we've done this is because what we're hopeful to do from this discussion is help a person not feel so confronted with how do they know what's right and how do they know what's wrong, how do they know what's worth investigating and how do they know what's not worth investigating? I feel it's quite easy to determine once you start looking at the qualities of fake stuff compared to true stuff. If you can compare the two you'll see there's a logical comparison that can be made and therefore you can utilise your time and effort investigating the things that are going to benefit you in the long run rather than not. [01:11:52.11]

Mary: Because really what we're saying is that everything that we're listing here inherent in it means that there's going to be limitation on how much our heart can change.

Yeah. At some point I'm going to have to cry, so if I'm not allowed to cry, then that's going to stagnate my development at some point.

So for example, if I'm not allowed to be emotional when I'm investigating spiritual matters - now if you look at it from the point of view that emotions come a lot from your heart - so If I'm not allowed to be emotional with regard to some form of spirituality, then that's going to prevent a whole side of my nature from ever being displayed while I'm in that form of spirituality. I'm not allowed to cry, I'm not allowed to laugh, and I'm not allowed to do all of these beautiful things that involve my feelings.

Then again if I've got a form of spirituality that has no intellectual development at all and has no logical sense to it and it's very, very complex and hard to understand... it needs to be logical. If it's not logical, then I go, "Well what's the point of believing something that makes no logical sense at all?"

So we can start adding together these different characteristics, if we're looking at spiritual things, we can come up with a list of what kind of hallmarks are there to the truth, in comparison to error? [01:13:27.24]

5. Attributes of pseudo spirituality (continued)

5.1. Lauds intellect and condemns emotion but also encourages emotion histrionics

Mary: So maybe just following on from what you've said, we could discuss two things that are common, not concurrently; one is that often pseudo spirituality "lauds the intellect and condemns feelings"; some forms follow that route. But then conversely, there are some forms that "are emotionally histrionic and enjoy fake expression". So obviously these things aren't going to exist concurrently.

I was just wondering if everyone sees they might also seem contradictory? Pseudo spirituality often lauds the intellect. What I mean is basically worship intellect without examining emotion at all. So in other words a whole part of our being as a human being is that we are emotional, and a whole part of our being is shut down by that form of spirituality because we're promoting just the intellect only. True spirituality is going to promote both intellect and emotion, not be one or the other.

So the second point, encouraging emotion histrionics, is where the person is allowed to be as emotionally expressive as much as they like without any control or sense of understanding about what's causing their emotions, and there's no logic in any of their emotions either. That is also an indication of pseudo spirituality.

Mary: Has anyone ever been involved in a form of spirituality where emotions are promoted but it's quite histrionic? Yeah, a few people.

A lot of people run a mile from those forms of spirituality, yep. But a lot are very attracted to the forms that laud intellect and condemn emotion, where it's very intellectual. I've spoken to many ministers as you can imagine, and many of them I find almost completely detuned from their feelings on many discussions that I've had with them, where they have avoided any discussion about feeling at all, and they are just philosophical. They're even philosophical about their own belief systems. They don't even know whether their own belief systems are true or not because they cannot feel whether they're true or not. They can't determine the truth very easily with just the intellect. The reality is you need your intellect and your emotions together to actually be able to determine truth or true spirituality.

5.2. Shallow, no one has to change

Mary: Okay. So another thing we've listed here is that "it's shallow and no one has to change".

Yes. Shallow, no one has to change and therefore of course no one does change.

Mary: I've had said to me many times, "It is okay darling, we're all perfect". That's quite a spiritual thing to say and I've gone, "No, I'm pretty sure I'm not perfect right now." "That's an illusion darling." (Laughs)

Feels pretty much true to me. (Laughs)

Mary: But I can see that actually negates me having to look at anything and change.

And it also negates you having to see whether you have any faults, whether you have any character flaws or faults that are unloving that you need to somehow correct. It helps you avoid the truth that we do need correction. If we've been brought up in environments that are unloving, we're going to have unloving feelings within us that we do need to correct and grow from. It's a very New Age concept to have this view point that we're all perfect already.

The reality is if we were all perfect already the world we live in would be perfect already. Logically, this is a logical statement - if we were all perfect already and we were all loving already, then the world we live in would be perfect already, and the world we live in would be loving already. We wouldn't even be sitting here having this chat, in fact. Because we'd be all out enjoying our loving life in our loving world, without even looking at anything more because we would already know what the truth is. [01:18:24.04]

I feel those kinds of forms of spirituality are highly delusional, in fact. Many times I'm called delusional but when I look at these forms of spirituality I go, "Wow there are highly delusional forms of spirituality." This belief that you're already perfect, before you're perfect, is a delusion.

Mary: You know; I feel it's the emotional kick back against people feeling so judged by things like Christian religion.

I agree.

Mary: And they don't want to feel the pain of that judgement. So then there's a complete flip-over which is, "there can be no judgement, we are all perfect" which is not logical.

No, and this is where I feel there is a misunderstanding of judgment. Judgment is an emotion directed at another individual where we are condemning them. So it's a feeling that we're projecting at a person. It's not a statement of truth. We can state the truth and not be judgemental at all. So I can state the truth, "I am not perfect". I can state that truth without judging the fact that I am not perfect, without condemning myself for not being perfect, and so forth. I can also make the statement that you're not perfect either, as a statement of truth, without judging the fact that you're not perfect or condemning you for not being perfect. This is where we need to have a focus on truth rather than judgement, but we also need to have a focus on understanding this point that true spirituality is going to change us. It is going to cause our life to be different because our life does need to change.

5.2.1. An example of world issues such as food distribution and refugees

Look at the world we live in - it is a mess. When we say a mess, let's look at what's actually happening. There are millions of children that die every year from starvation on a planet that's got plenty of food. Now that's not a very loving or a logical thing. So there's something wrong there, there's something causing that. There are whole nations of people who are gathered in refugee camps and no other nation will let them into their nation. So many nations in the world have total prosperity, like we do here, and yet we do not let all of the million people in the refugee camps on the border of, let's say Sudan, to actually come here. Why don't we do that? Because we're so afraid that somehow they're going to influence our life in such a way or it's going to reduce our quality of life in such a way. We've got so much food here that some years we burn it or we destroy it, and yet these other places on the planet are starving to death. [01:21:12.07]

Now it's not logical. Obviously the forms of spirituality we're practicing haven't influenced our life enough to actually cause us to change on that particular thing.

Mary: Yeah, and this is the fear, isn't it? The fear that we're afraid to look at, that we're afraid to take responsibility, we're afraid to have to change and so pseudo spirituality becomes very attractive.

It becomes the norm and attractive, while real spirituality, the thing that is going to cause us to change and say, for example, "We're made of 15-16 million people now, so why don't we as a nation let another million people come in, it's not going to make much different to how much space is available in Australia somewhere, and we help them through the process"? You imagine the amount of jobs that would be created through this process. Helping these people come in and acclimatise to a new country, a new way of life and we grow food for those people who we've invited into the country, we expect them to embrace our law systems, and if they don't then we do something about that in terms of correcting that. There's a whole series of things that would be created if we as a society embraced that. But we don't because we're afraid and we don't want to change.

Mary: That's right. Many times in the past I've had discussions with people who I would classify as being involved in pseudo spirituality because in my life I've been quite connected to these things of injustice and people in poverty around the planet and I've discussed with them my travels to different places and they've said things to me like, "Well, it's all just a mirror, it's all an illusion, those people can find God as much as we can find God."

Well if you try finding God while you're starving to death; it's pretty hard when the majority of your life you're just focused on getting enough water for the day and enough food for the day to actually contemplate anything else.

Mary: Survival. Yes, and what struck me was the callousness, the no heart connection to other human beings and this is where I got the, "Where's the love? This is supposed to be spiritual, and I can't feel the love." This is where it became flaky for me, that adjective we used before.

Also if you look at your own life, Mary, you lived in a refugee camp trying to help the effects of a problem and the effects were caused by most of the Western world living in pseudo spiritual land, in the sense that they all want to believe that they're loving but they all have the resources to have every single one of those refugees put somewhere, and yet we don't.

Mary: Yeah.

We just let them live there, thousands and thousands - how many people in one square acre of land?

Mary: The camp I lived in had twenty thousand people in one square kilometre. That was a small camp that I lived in.

Then you look at camps on the Sudanese border with millions of people on a few acres of land, it's just crazy what we do. And yet the developed Western world society believe that they are more loving and more developed, and yet if we were really more developed, we could not in our heart allow these things to continue. So that's an indication that perhaps we're not as developed as we believe we are.

5.3. Self-righteous, self-glorifying and self-reliant

Mary: Yeah. It helps us avoid responsibility and one of the points we've got here is that pseudo spirituality is often, "self-righteous, self-glorifying", so it inflates the soul in denial and promotes self-interest. We've got, "self-righteous, self-glorifying and self-reliant" actually.

5.3.1. An example of Western societies exploiting other societies

So self-righteous in the sense that we believe that we're better than we really are. If you look at the actions of Western society towards other societies, our general action is to go and rape them. Not literally rape them, but we rape their land, we rape them of resources, we then condemn them for their response to that. Then we take the high and mighty position of, "Oh, we're developed and you're not". It's hypocritical and also very damaging to the rest of society.

This is why we have many countries in the world who feel quite antagonistic towards Western society, and there are many other countries in the world trying to be like western society, because we're constantly taking. Now if we're in a state of love - true development spiritually - we've got to ask ourselves, would we do that? Of course we wouldn't. We wouldn't destroy the resources of a country and of the people who need those resources, particularly when they have less than us already. It doesn't make any sense at all to do logically. It doesn't make any sense from an emotional perspective of love either. And so therefore whatever spiritual form we're involved in is not motivating enough of us to cause us to want to love somebody more, and even love people that we don't know. [01:26:39.24]

5.4. Metaphysical and physical emphasis

Mary: Yeah. Okay, so what are the other things? We've got here, "an emphasis on the metaphysical and no soul condition improvement".

Yeah, a metaphysical emphasis or physical emphasis. What we mean by that is that it focuses on either the physical body or the spirit body. It does not focus on the soul. When we say the soul, we're talking about the true self that can change, that changes in its attitudes and its feelings. Pseudo spirituality doesn't focus very much on the true self that can change. It focuses on understanding all of the nuts and bolts of our body and all the nuts and bolts of our spirit body, how it all works. Those forms of spirituality, while they can have some kind of positive effect on our body and our spirit body, it's not going to change our soul. It's our soul that needs to change if the world's going to change. If the world's going to become more loving, we have to become more loving.

So we could almost say that a focus on metaphysics is like a distraction from the real issue. The real issues that we have on the planet are love, that's the real issue. There is a lack of love on the planet and you see the lack of love on the planet in relationships, and in relationships between nations. That is the real issue we have. We have that issue because we're not focused on developing true spirituality; we're not focused on love first, truth first, being humble to our own condition when we're not loving or truthful first. If we can focus on those things first, then we'll be able to change enough so that we become more loving. When we become more loving, a lot of our problems on the planet will just disappear. [01:28:33.24]

Mary: That's right. We're ignoring that love actually governs the metaphysical and the physical. We've got it in the reverse order.

Exactly, we think somehow if we change the physical or the metaphysical that we will become more loving. It's the opposite way around; if we change the love, our body physically and metaphysically will be assisted through the process.

5.5. Exclusive, creates groups and cliques

Mary: Yeah. Okay another thing we had is pseudo spirituality is often, "exclusive and creates groups and cliques".

We see this happening all the time and in fact we often get accused of it as well, again by the media. I find it quite interesting that we get accused of something that they themselves are doing. You often see this in day-to-day interaction where a person gets accused of something the other person who's accusing them actually does themselves.

With regard to exclusivity, obviously if a spiritual movement creates an exclusive group, then that group is not developed enough in love to accept that the rest of society who don't have their beliefs are just as acceptable as they themselves should be. So in other words there's no sense of equality inside of the group, but true spirituality will create equality. True spirituality will start seeing everyone, even people who do not have the same belief as us, as important to us as people who have the same beliefs. So we won't finish up trying to separate ourselves from the people who do not believe the same things we do. We will in fact embrace all of society more, not less, if we had true spirituality.

5.6. Weak, light and airy, promotes indecision

Mary: Yep. Okay, another thing we have written here is that, "it often promotes indecision". Can you talk about that a little bit? We've actually written, "Weak, light and airy - promotes indecision".

I feel this aspect of pseudo spirituality comes from an emotional feeling many of us have that we don't want to make decisions. We like other people making decisions for us a lot of the time. And the reason why we do is we're afraid to make our own decisions because usually when we were children and we made our own decisions we got punished for them at some point. So what we learnt as we grew up is that it's better to delay decisions as long as possible. We become procrastinators when it comes to decisions. And so we then feel attracted to spiritual movements that allow us to have an indecisive viewpoint about everything. In other words while "there is no truth, there is just your truth" is a lovely concept, but it promotes indecision. It actually says right all of us are allowed to have a different idea about truth. [01:32:40.21]

The reality is we are all allowed to, but that doesn't change the fact that there is God's Truth and God would know the whole truth about something, and we have the ability to discover that whole truth if we wish. What it does is it promotes this attitude or scenario inside of us that, " I don't really care so much". So we start going down the track of going, "Yeah okay, they're allowed to do that and I'm allowed to do this and everything will be fine in the end".

I find that appeals to Australian society in particular because we in Australian society do have that laissez-faire type of attitude of what happens, happens and we'll all be right in the long run. "She'll be right in the long run." While it's a lovely way to live, society in the sense that it's very accepting, we also need to be careful with it.

Mary: Well, we can lose the compass of love, can't we?

We can lose love in it, yes. If we embrace love in it, that attitude is very loving. But if we lose the love in it, then all it does is we finish up sitting down on our backside for the rest of our life, not really coming to any firm decision about anything. Once we do that, we also stop acting; we also stop taking action because we're allowed to. That's what indecision allows us to do; it causes us to be able to avoid acting, and in particular, acting in harmony with love.

So when I see situations where it's quite obvious that everything's unloving, and I go, "Why is everyone acting like it's okay?" That's because of indecision most of the time, and indecision is often driven by this underlying fear that other people will attack us or other people will point out to us that we've done something wrong, which comes from our childhood of our parents doing the same thing every time we chose to do something that they didn't like.

6. True spirituality vs. pseudo spirituality (continued)

6.1. True spirituality can be embraced in a pseudo spiritual manner and vice versa

Mary: What occurs to me as you're talking about all of these things is that they're really things that relate to our own character and nature, aren't they? So, we can actually engage a spiritual quest from the standpoint of pseudo spirituality or true spirituality, can't we? If we hold onto things like fear and we don't want to confront them, even if we find something that might speak truth, if we engage it in the pseudo spiritual way, we can't actually grow.

No.

Mary: And I believe what we're teaching is true spirituality, but I do see some people engage in it in a way where they don't confront their fear, even though that's what we promote, and they still use the true terminology to feed the addictive state.

Yeah the reality is that a person can be presented with true spirituality but still within themselves decide to embrace it in a pseudo spiritual manner. Pseudo spirituality comes from our personal desires rather than from the actual teaching itself.

Mary: It's the qualities within our self which govern our spiritual path really in the end, isn't it?

Exactly.

Mary: It's not actually the path; it's the qualities we choose to foster in ourselves.

Yes, so true spirituality will actually embrace the qualities inside of ourselves rather than just talking about it without any true embracing of it. We need to understand that. [01:36:08.23]

Participant: I was wondering if it can work the opposite way around, because there are lots of spiritual movements and religions; can people be practicing true spirituality in those movements?

Mary: I feel so, yes.

That is definitely the case. Bear in mind in this discussion, when we talk about certain religious forms and generally what they do, we are not talking about the individuals in those religious groups because there are many individuals in those religious groups who are embracing spirituality in a true manner. You can see it changes their heart, you can see that it's changing their life, and even though some of the teachings may be out of harmony with logic or whatever, they personally themselves are changing. So I've seen many people be taught the truth and still embrace it in a pseudo spiritual manner, and I've seen many people taught error and embrace it in a truthful manner.

Mary: Embrace true spirituality.

Embrace it in a truly spiritual manner. In other words they have their heart changed as a result, into a more positive person as a result of that embracing of that truth. So in this discussion we are not condemning all these religious forms or movements. What we're saying is from an individual perspective, if we are involved in pseudo spirituality, it individually applies that we're involved in many of these things.

Tomorrow when we discuss true spirituality you will be able to see that many people in the same religions are embracing true spirituality because they are embracing their heart, their lives are changing, they're becoming more loving, they're becoming more sincere, their relationships are improving and so forth. So you can see there is a true change inside of themselves. So please remember in this discussion of pseudo spirituality versus true spirituality that we're talking about what happens inside of the individual not inside of society or groups collectively. Because what happens collectively is often very, very different to what happens to the individual. [01:38:15.06]

Mary: So we can see that collectively in some groups there are hallmarks of pseudo spiritual practice.

We know many people who we're teaching these things to are involved totally in pseudo spirituality still because their hearts are not changing, they're still talking the talk and not walking the walk, they're not embracing love, they're not becoming more loving. In fact some of them have become more unloving since we've known them. (Laughs) And that is because of some of their emotions being challenged that they're now not allowing themselves to address in an appropriate manner and so forth.

Mary: And I would say certainly in my life I've had friendships with many Muslim women, Christian women or women involved in New Age practice who I felt reflected true spirituality: they had an emphasis on love and growing in that love.

It's a very good point, David. Yeah. I feel sometimes in a discussion like this we've got to be careful because there are generalisations we can make about certain belief systems in religious movements which are created by pseudo spiritual emotional reasons. But that doesn't mean that every single person involved in that particular belief system is a pseudo spiritual person because there're many people who are involved in all forms of religious expression and non-religious expression.

6.1.1. An example of scientists

Even many scientists I feel are quite spiritual in the sense of embracing things with passion and desire, looking for truth, looking for understanding, being humble to their mistakes. In fact many scientists are more humble to their own mistakes than many people in religions are. For that reason they might in fact be what we call an atheist, but the reality is that in a lot of ways, in their heart, they are more spiritual. There are many people on this planet who are much more loving because they are not in a religion, rather than because they are. Because they have worked out logically, it makes no sense to not be loving to them, and they have embraced love in a positive manner. So I feel they are more spiritual than people who are often involved in so called spiritual investigation. [01:40:36.01]

7. Attributes of pseudo spirituality (continued)

7.1. Appeals to error, injury and addiction

Mary: Great. Okay so some other hallmarks that we've got here, that you've pretty much covered; pseudo spirituality, "appeals to error, injury and addiction". So that's the different emotions that we've been talking about. So that's engaging in a practice that helps me live in addiction rather than confront it. Would you say that?

Yeah. If we examine that more carefully, you can see that many times religious view points are established - and I'm now talking about the view point of the religion, not necessarily of the persons in the religion - because of a collective emotional condition in the adherence to that particular religion.

7.1.1. An example of believing God is punishing and wrathful

For example there are many religions on this planet that believe that God is a powerful God of wrath who is going to at some point destroy the wicked. Many of you have probably been brought up in such religions when you were little. This is a belief system that appeals to error in this way; many of us have been hurt throughout our lives, and we want the people who hurt us to be punished. So we desire them to be punished because they hurt us. As a result of that we also do not wish to have to punish them ourselves. Often we're afraid of them, or we feel we can't punish them ourselves.

Mary: Or it wouldn't be loving.

Or it wouldn't be loving to punish them. So what we do is, we say, "Alright, let's make God do that for us." So we create a whole religious belief that God is going to come and punish any person that's wicked and inside of us it is, "Any person who's treated me badly is wicked (Laughs) and they're the persons that are going to get punished by God". This religious belief then becomes established as a doctrine that is then taught by that particular religion. And as I pointed out there are nearly three billion people on this planet who actually believe in that doctrine that there is a punishing God who will come and punish the wicked.

Now that belief, while it supports the emotional error, is not a truthful belief. Obviously from a logical perspective, God is far more loving than the best person who's loving on Earth. And if that's the case, then the best person who's loving on Earth doesn't want to kill the wicked, he wants the wicked to change, he wants the wicked to become more righteous, if we could use that term. So surely God would desire that to a greater extent than the best person on Earth who's loving would desire it?

So from a logical perspective, it's impossible that God could be a punishing God that's going to destroy the wicked. But because of this error that exists in us we want people to be punished for what they've done to us, that we believe is in error, we then want to believe that God is a punishing God. Because we want to believe it, when somebody comes along and presents that view point to us, we accept it, because we want to believe it. This is an example of belief systems that appeal to error. Instead of appealing to love and truth, they appeal to error. [01:44:08.24]

7.2. Arrogant, denies true condition

Mary: Yep. Okay, another one we've got here is, "arrogant, denies true self and true condition".

Yep. I think I've given quite a few examples of that really at this point, but if we look at the arrogance that many of us have, even in Western society towards other societies, we can see that that's an arrogant position. We come along and we destroy other societies through our actions and then we say to them, "Why haven't you got your act together?" after we've just come along and destroyed you. That is a very arrogant position, a very hypocritical position, and it demonstrates that as a society we don't have much true spirituality. If we look at it from an individual perspective it's like coming up to somebody, slapping them across the face and then saying, "Why are you angry?" (Laughs)

Mary: Yeah.

Because if we were really understanding of the situation we'd never slap them in the first place. This is what I feel we do with society. But we also do it in forms of spiritual development as well. We don't like to see ourselves as we truly are. That's the problem. We need to start seeing ourselves as we truly are and that means warts and all, as the saying goes here in Australia. So we need to see every flaw before we can change any flaw and so you're not going to change anything you can't see. We need to be able to see our true condition if we wish to change it. Now any form of spiritual development that lets us see our real condition better than we did yesterday is very positive to our development. Any form of spiritual development that causes us to remain blind to our true condition, or even become more blind than we were yesterday, that is very, very damaging to our spiritual development. [01:46:15.11]

7.3. Involves spirit interactions that give us the illusion that we're more developed than we actually are

Mary: Often in different forms of spirituality, we have interactions with spirits that can give us the illusion that we're more developed. I'm thinking now of people who are involved in healing; often there are loving spirits who come and assist with that healing, but the danger is that the person then perceives that's their own condition.

Yep. "I'm so loving I can heal you," when in reality they've got all these spirits around them healing the person despite their unloving condition.

Mary: Yeah. And that's another one of the points that we have here - that we often "feel good through spirit attachment". There's a co-dependant relationship that can develop with spirits in pseudo spirituality.

Yeah and I think we need to talk about that as a major point when we get to that. There are probably two major points that we need to talk about; one is the major point about how spirits are involved in pseudo spirituality and how we involve them in that process. The second main point that we want to raise in this discussion today is how sexuality is also often involved, either in a suppressed manner or in an overt manner, in pseudo spirituality. So we need to discuss both of those points too because they are major hallmarks of something that doesn't change us but rather keeps us in a certain state.

7.4. Appeals to the hearts of few but many follow

Mary: Yeah. Okay, well we're nearly through this list. There's one here that is quite interesting. We've written, "it appeals to the hearts of few but many follow". What do you mean by this?

As we've pointed out pseudo spirituality often appeals to addictions, to false beliefs, to intellectual reasoning, often it is flawed, it often appeals to emotions within us that are out of harmony with love. For that reason, it can't appeal to the heart, it's got to appeal to something else.

Mary: So the heart representing our desires...

The heart representing our true self, our true being, our true soul-based passions and desires. So often what you find is that a person has to force themselves to go along to that particular spiritual path.

7.4.1. An example of church-based religions

And this is an illustration of what has happened in Australia; many Christians over the last century have become so tired of getting up Sunday morning and having to go to church. So what do we find now in Australia? There's probably less than five percent of the population who are involved in any form of church going activity because it hasn't appealed to their heart to go.

Mary: And there are a lot of evening services as well because of the morning part. (Laughs)

But even many of the churches, as we know, particularly the mainstream churches, have died off. And many of our churches are now halls or some are houses even. And the reason why is because it hasn't really appealed to the heart; you just felt like you had to go. So why did we go? We go because we are so worried about perception, about what other people, our family, our friends or whatever will think of us; that's why we go. But it's not really in our heart. We go because of society pressure.

Mary: Yeah and that reminds me of a story that we heard recently. We had a couple who are in their late forties/fifties stay with us from Montreal. I'm not sure of the full history of this so don't quote me, but they were telling us about when they were kids, in Montreal, the church was massive and everyone went to church every Sunday. So there was huge societal pressure that they should all go. There came a point where there was a meeting about religion amongst all of these church groups in Montreal; they all got together and they all got straight with each other and went, "Yeah, we don't really believe it, yeah we don't really like it," and nobody went! I'm telling the story correctly, aren't' I? And religion died in Montreal.

Yeah over a very short period of time, the religion died. Just in a very short period of time as a result.

Mary: So it obviously wasn't in their hearts, it was society-based.

It was just society pressure. This is where many follow because often times many follow a certain thing because of society pressure. As soon as you give up the society pressure, nobody bothers anymore. (Laughs) I love Australia because we've given up so much society pressure. [01:51:35.07]

Mary: It's not all gone.

There's hardly any society pressure, particularly when it comes to religion. So that means that everyone is free to do whatever they want on a Sunday which is fantastic.

Mary: Go surfing.

Yeah and some people are more religious going surfing than they are going to their religion. Often they sit there, out on the board, looking at the sun and the sea and having a feeling in their heart of appreciation for where they are.

Mary: Which could be truly spiritual.

Which is truly spiritual, in comparison to sitting in a hall where they resent everybody being present and their own presence, which is not very spiritual at all.

7.4.2. Different countries have different society-based emotions towards religion

Participant: Is that why it's so big in America? Is it just societal pressure?

There are a number of things that go on. Rather than talking about one country in particular, let's talk about countries generally. In every single country, there are generally quite a large number of what I would call society-based emotions, which are society belief systems caused by what happened multi generationally over a long period of time. These conditions often determine what happens in a particular country with regard to spiritual beliefs. This is why some countries are dominantly Christian and some countries are dominantly other forms of religion. However, if you look at some of the countries that are dominantly one form of religion you can see that many times the religion hasn't hit their heart.

So for example in America they're perfectly capable of pre-emptive strikes against other countries, for example, and the president who evokes those strikes was a Christian, a member of the Christian faith. That indicates how the religion has not yet changed them spiritually; it hasn't changed them in their heart. This is the problem for many countries; we have this sort of pseudo spirituality where we sort of separate spirituality from having any heart-based effect on our day-to-day life.

True spirituality is going to have an effect on every single aspect of our life; every single interaction we have with every single person. Every single interaction we have with every single creature is going to be changed by our embracing true spirituality. The problem is for the majority that we don't want to go to that extent of change in our life. And so what we do is we love pseudo spirituality as a result because it causes us to still remain the same while still feeling like we're doing something different.

So, for example there is very little difference in emotions between the average Christian person in America and the average Muslim person in Iraq. There are very few emotional differences at the core level in terms of what they will allow or do under pressure. The reason why is because there is very little underlying true spirituality that would cause a change. Many of them ignore their own religions as a result, they ignore the basic tenants of truth as a result in their own religion, because they want to, and because it requires too much of them to do anything different than what they are currently doing. So I feel that is a big problem on the planet.

7.4.3. Being honest with ourselves about how loving we are

Imagine if we all just gave up any form of religion for a moment, and we all just decided that individually we were just going to be more loving and always truthful in our day-to-day life. Just imagine that we all did that. We would automatically be all more truly spiritual. Automatically. We wouldn't need a priest to tell us what to do, we wouldn't need a doctrine, we wouldn't need a faith; we wouldn't need any of those things to do this. We are totally capable of doing this as a society and individually; we are totally capable of doing this. It's just whether we want it badly enough or not. And for many of us we don't want it badly enough and that's why we don't do it. It's got nothing to do with the religion that we're in or the way of life we've embraced a lot of times. It's got everything to do with the fact that we are basically just a bit too selfish to change. We don't want to embrace love. That is a mark of pseudo spirituality. Pseudo spirituality is religious movements and groups that are being set up specifically to aid us holding on to those emotions, to help us avoid becoming more loving and becoming more truthful in our day-to-day life. [01:57:00.10]

Mary: But often at the same time promoting the facade of doing that.

So we make out that we're doing it.

Mary: And that to me is the key thing. It helps us avoid even more doing that, doesn't it? If we just sat with the truth of, "I don't actually want to change, I don't actually want to be more loving or truthful"...

Which we're allowed to do.

Mary: Yeah, but we'd actually be more closer to the truth of our own selfishness and our own fear.

And ironically being even more spiritual.

Mary: Exactly, rather than we are when we say, "Okay, I don't really want to change at a real level, I'm pretty afraid of that, or it's going to feel uncomfortable but I don't want to admit that to myself."

Or to anyone else. (Laughs)

Mary: "So I will engage in this other thing which helps me fill a void and feel like I'm actually an okay person or loving."

"My mum wants me to go to church on Sunday, so I go to church Sunday to please mum." But I'm not going to church Sunday because I actually feel like I believe in it or that I want to practice it or any of those kind of things I just go because I want somebody else's approval. Those kinds of things we've got to give up if we want to be truly spiritual.

Sometimes the most down to earth bloke that I meet in Australia is far more truly spiritual than the most religious priest that I meet. Because the average "bloke" in Australia is often more truthful with me, more honest with me, more direct with me, more truthful about his true feelings about every single thing. He's a joy to speak with many times. In comparison to a man whose holding on to the facade, holding on to his image, holding onto this idea that he has about God that's totally incorrect and obviously false and illogical to hold on to. Often I find them quite hard to discuss any matter with as a result because you're not getting the real them, ever. You are just are getting a facade for many. I don't know about the majority of you but, if you think about it, the majority of you feel attracted to people who are just real with you, aren't you? Generally? You like the people who are just really down to earth, basic people; they're the people you connect with. Why? Because they are more truly spiritual people than the person who puts on a facade and tries to make out things are better than they are and so forth. [01:59:20.16]

7.5. Pseudo spirituality exists in the spirit world as well as on Earth

Participant: Are there similar pseudo spiritual groups in the spirit world as there are on Earth? Or is it harder to maintain those beliefs in the spirit world?

No it's very, very easy to maintain in the spirit world if you want to, just like it is here on Earth. So there are many groups in the spirit world who believe themselves to be truly spiritual. I've had many of these groups come and have a chat with me at some point.

7.5.1. An example of Catholic priest spirits who wanted to kill AJ

There's one group I'd probably like to relate and it would have been five or four years ago now, I had a group of Catholic priests come and speak with me, only because they want me killed. That's the only reason why they wanted to come and speak with me. They came and spoke with me about all the bad things that I'm doing, and wrong things that I'm doing, and that they wanted me to die and they told me they were going to try to arrange that from the spirit world. I started talking to them about the Bible and the belief systems in the Bible that contain teachings about love and not attacking your fellow man and not wanting your fellow man to die and so forth, and they became enraged very, very quickly. They would not accept that they were just involved in a movement in the spirit world that just wanted to control people on Earth and as a result they just ended up leaving the discussion. They just went, because they couldn't cope with the discussion any further.

Now many of them were popes from many centuries ago and many bishops and other priests who came to speak. There was a group of one and a half million of them who came to speak that day and they all had the same opinion. The opinion was that if they could kill some people on Earth who disagree with their religion that the world would be better off. That was their opinion. Obviously a very unloving position and obviously totally out of harmony with true spirituality but that's what they felt. At least they were truthful about it, which was great, but aside from that they had no desire to change.

Participant: May I add a point?

Sure.

Participant: Preached but not practiced.

Exactly. Many times many of the people who are involved in pseudo spirituality preach things that they personally do not practice. That is also a good sign.

If you're going to believe in the Bible, then practice it fully. And if you practice it fully, you would never go to war. If you practice the Bible fully, you would never go to war. If you practice the Bible fully you would never even attack another person. In fact, if you practice my words in the first century that are recorded in the Bible about anger, you would never even get angry with another person. If you really did it. I've had some emails that come from Christian people who are just swearing at me and angry with me because of my claim that I'm Jesus. And I write back to them, "But your Jesus said in this verse in the Bible, that even your anger is a sin". So there's a scripture in the Bible in Matthew that talks about how anger should be dealt with and it actually discusses it as a sin against another person. Usually I just get more anger back as a normal response. But that is a demonstration of how that particular individual is only involved in pseudo spirituality because if they were involved in true spirituality they wouldn't engage anger in that manner. [02:03:24.11]

7.6. Requires payment for services

Mary: Okay we've covered lots of them (points to list) but a couple here that we could probably group together "requires payment for services and promotes self and ownership of knowledge".

Payment for services in an interesting one, isn't it? How many religions do this and how many forms of spirituality do this - where you've got to have a lot of money before you can be involved with it? The truth is free. God gave the truth for free. The truth is not only free - it sets you free. That's the irony of truth. So everything should be available for free and as a gift. If we want to contribute to it then fine, it's up to you but it should be available as a gift. So all of these religions that pass a collection plate around expecting you to donate, they're out of harmony with love and truth. They're involved in a form of pseudo spirituality. [02:05:14.11]

Mary: Yeah, and I'm thinking about in the old days where you could buy one of your relatives out of purgatory and all those kind of things.

And you still can.

Mary: Can you? I thought that practice had passed.

In many countries it's still happening where you can buy out of purgatory. Luther formed his whole religion, the Lutheran religion, because he observed the Catholic religion fleecing the flock so much that he actually set up another religion, he thought at the time, that didn't fleece the flock so much and that didn't buy its way into different forms of spirituality. So even the reformists who were involved in the reformation of the Christian church were all really concerned about the fact that their forms of spirituality required payment for services.

7.6.1. An example of paying for church services or spiritual seminars

But if you look at it even today, you've still got to pay for a wedding in the average church. Why that is the case is anybody's guess. You've still got to pay for funeral services generally, why that's the case again is anybody's guess. And these are all basic things that happen to a person's life and yet you've still got to pay for them.

Now if the church was truly confident in its own truth, it would just allow people to do whatever they wanted with regard to donations and they would have enough money to survive. The problem is that with many forms of religion and many forms of spiritual movements, if you look at a lot of the New Age movements too, you have people travelling around and on a day like today they'd charge $500 for two days or something like that. Only the people with that kind of money could come along to a session. That is obviously out of harmony with love and truth and it's also out of harmony with true spirituality. [02:07:10.16]

7.6.2. An example of forced morality or forced immorality

Participant: Thank you AJ and Mary. Just on that point, does that cover the point of doing good acts to get into heaven, so it's not just physical monetary? Like I have that belief that if you're a good girl you earn your place in heaven.

Yeah, and that being a "good girl" and a "good boy" is very much related to the same kind of feeling, which is you can earn your way. This is the trouble with requiring payment for services that sooner or later people think that they can earn their way into things, which is also not true.

So yeah I feel it's a big issue in most religious forms and most spiritual forms that we see on the planet. In fact most people who believe they're spiritual, one of the first things you can do is give up the request for the payment of your service and then see how spiritual you are because a lot of times you get nothing then and you start worrying. (Laughs) So it's a great way of confronting some emotion inside of us where we often always want payment, always want payment, always want payment for our service and therefore we start thinking that we've always got to give payment and we don't. The reality is if the truth appeals to the heart of an individual they will want to support it, that's the reality. If it doesn't then they won't want to. So let them do whatever they decide. True spirituality will let them do what they decide; pseudo spirituality will try to force them into a position.

Participant: And just further on that, I don't know if you're going to cover it within the sexuality talk, but what about forced morality? Like I've been involved in a lot of spiritual movements and I've gone from enforced morality, which is sort of like saying to people, don't eat chocolate, don't eat chocolate, and then that's all you can think about, particularly with regards to sex. And then there's the New Age movement where it's all good, it's all just sharing of love.

It's almost forced immorality. (Laughs)

Participant: It's forced immorality, yeah. Are you going to expand on that morality concept later?

Yes we are. We find this is a very interesting subject because when we were in England, for one of our talks we gave, a third of the audience was involved in what I would classify as forced immorality, and they were accepting that as spiritual development. In fact whenever a person who was a part of that movement felt there was something wrong, the others in that movement would say, "No you just can't have sex with everybody here because you've got a problem." So there was a forced immorality. [02:09:54.03]

Mary: And a shaming.

A shaming of the person for not being immoral. So you have both; you have many religions trying to force morality and then you have also many forms of movements trying to force immorality. And either one is obviously a sign of pseudo spirituality. We will talk about that in a lot more detail after the break. We feel it's a major area that demonstrates a lack of understanding of even the human body, let alone life generally.

7.7. Promotes self and ownership of knowledge

If we look at this point here, pseudo spirituality promotes oneself and ownership of knowledge. You see people today are very protective about knowledge, have you noticed that? We have all these intellectual property rights and all these kind of things. If a person is truly spiritual they would share their knowledge willingly and openly without cost and without worry about other people and how they were going to treat that knowledge.

Now if you look at what actually happens many people on Earth who create spiritual forms of movement do not do that. They don't share their knowledge willingly and openly. Before I started travelling around I worked in the computer industry as a systems analyst, programmer and engineer and what I found was that many of my colleagues would refuse to share any knowledge they had ever gathered because they viewed it as their only source of income, whereas when I was with a client I would share everything I knew.

Now ironically, those people who shared less of their knowledge earned less money than I did. The reason why was because most of my clients realised my ability to share the knowledge, meant that they eventually could learn to do it themselves, and so they'd be willing to pay me more money as a result; because they would eventually be able to learn to do something themselves and therefore not need me at all. So I loved it when a client chose to take that route so instead of being reliant on me, they learnt to be self-reliant. As a result of that, I was well known for doing that and therefore could charge more money because I was in higher demand. Isn't that ironic? The very thing that caused them to be afraid was the very thing that also limited their income. [02:12:25.11]

Mary: Really though, you did that as a quality of love, that love would always seek to empower the other person in themselves.

Always, even if I'm in business or wherever I am. If I was in a business where I was making beautiful dishes, and people come along and asked me for the recipe. I'd give it to them. Because I would think, "Of course, I can make different recipes, I'm an infinite creator here, I can make all sorts of things", and I wouldn't be holding on to the particular thing that I've created. Most people don't realise that when you holding on it's driven by fear of some kind, which is an indication that the truth about love, has not yet touched your heart.

7.8. Gratifies the animal

Mary: Our hearts, yeah. All right, a few more. We've got "gratifies the animal". Which is very heavy sounding. So we're not talking about our pets here. (Laughs)

We're talking about the fact that we have a physical body. Let's call that the animal form that's part of us as a human. It has its own urges and needs and desires and so forth. Now, often forms of religion are created just to satisfy those urges, needs and desires.

So for example the sexual desires that we have. Our sexual desires were created in a pure way to be used in a pure way, and we'll talk about that later. But we also have emotions in us that are part of the animal in the sense that we just feel enraged at times and we want to kill in that place. And often we see forms of religion, creating outlets for people to gratify the animal nature. So in other words you can't kill all your friends but you can certainly kill anybody who's of a different religion than you. Now that's an example of a religious teaching that gratifies the animal. That gratifies this sort of uncontrolled animalistic behaviour, which is obviously unloving and therefore not truly spiritual. We often see this happening where religious forms do gratify that part of ourselves.

We need to understand that this animal part of ourselves is a part of ourselves and it has been created completely in harmony with love and can be used completely in harmony with love but obviously when we're killing and harming other people, raping other people and all these other things we may end up doing or potentially doing. [02:15:09.13]

Mary: Even taking, is it just taking for our own physical...

Even taking, being selfish with other people. That's all a part of just gratifying this nature without actually using the love to determine what is the appropriate action that we should take here.

Participant: Would you give a positive example of our animal nature.

Yes, sexuality is another positive part of it. The reality is God created you with the vagina and me with a penis; all women with a vagina and all men with a penis; that is generally the case. (Laughs) As a result of that God obviously had an intention that we use sexuality in a joyful manner to enhance our life. That is a part of gratifying that part of our nature. However, it has to be in harmony with the principles of love. When we get out of harmony with the principles of love with it, now we're not gratifying our nature but harming ourselves, or harming another. That's a very, very different part of our selves that does that, it's an injured part of ourselves; it's not part of what was originally created.

Mary: So, can we also relate that to things like taste and eating? Is that a part of our animal nature? This joy that we have at tasty food?

Yes. Do all of you enjoy tasty food? Yes, okay. If you eat to obesity can you see that that is gratifying the animal? Because in the end, you gratify the animal but you get larger and larger and larger and larger and eventually you get so large that you can't even move. There are some people who have become that large. Now if you get that large it's an indication that you're gratifying the animal without any form of control over the behaviour.

There are things that God has given us as gifts and we can use every one of these gifts in a manner that totally enhances our life completely, or we can use it as something that can destroy us even. Many people have died from sexual venereal diseases as a result of gratifying the animal without any form of control. [02:17:29.09]

Mary: And when you say control, I guess what I think bout is there's two ways we can control. There's like the intellectual control and what Veronica was speaking about earlier, with forced morality.

Yeah and that's not the way I'm promoting.

Mary: No, but then love can control our actions can't it?

Exactly. So if we were truly loving and felt the love in our heart, we could not engage sexually with hundreds of different partners because we understand that there are diseases that result from such a thing, and also hurt feelings that result from such a thing, and we would need to address those particular things. Once we become in harmony with love, we would less likely be involved in those kind of behaviours.

It's the same with stealing, it's the same with smoking, it's the same with all other forms of behaviour we can engage in that have a form of unlovingness in them. So, with smoking, we're being unloving to ourselves, we're being unloving to our neighbour, if we develop in love further we would eventually not smoke. It doesn't mean that we would say to everyone, "Nobody who's a smoker should be here," because that would be separating, which would also be a form of pseudo spirituality. We would embrace everybody who's doing whatever they're doing but what we would do is we'd help them come to terms with the fact that certain things are out of harmony with love and certain things are gratifying their animal nature and not gratifying the soul; they're not helping the soul.

Mary: And what you're saying here is that there are certain spiritual movements that are actually focused definitely on just gratifying the animal nature.

Definitely, and many spiritual movements that do that have finished up leading to suicide of groups of people; have finished up leading to mass orgies; leading to all sorts of forms of behaviour over the last thousands of years since religion has ever been established and they are all proving it hasn't touched their heart yet. That's all they're proving.

7.9. Promotes appearance of love but fails under pressure

Mary: Yeah. Okay well I think we've covered everything else. There are just four major statements that you've made at the end, "pseudo spirituality promotes the appearance of love but fails under pressure", and you've spoken about that.

Yes, so in other words it makes everything look loving on the outside but when a bit of pressure comes along, like a war for example, or some other kind of pressure that's either external in nature or internal to the person's life, as soon as the pressure comes, love disappears. And that's an indication of pseudo spirituality. [02:19:55.03]

7.10. Promotes the appearance of truth but lies become exposed when investigated

Mary: "Promotes the appearance of truth but lies become exposed when investigated".

Yes, so in other words on the outward side it looks like it's all truthful, but when you start involving the people with truth, inside the movement itself, it all disintegrates in terms of you start seeing lies and people lying to each other and so forth. True spirituality will always promote the truth and the people living in a truly spiritual state would always be living in the truth.

7.11. Promotes the appearance of humility while fostering pride and arrogance

Mary: Okay and, "promotes the appearance of humility while fostering pride and arrogance".

Yeah so in other words we all make out that we're all modest and humble by putting on a facade but the reality is none of us are willing to look at ourselves and truly see our true nature. Whereas if we're truly spiritual we will want to see our true nature, we'll have joy when another person see's their true nature, no matter how bad it might look at the first look. We'll actually support them in their examination of themselves and of society generally.

Mary: And that's really the last point that we had, that "we need to be honest with ourselves". That to progress towards God we must see what's really happening not what we want to be happening.

Yes.

Mary: Pseudo spirituality leads us to be misled, basically. It causes us to be misled spiritually.

Yes you know when we are focused only on what we want spirituality to be, we are going to be seduced by our own emotional condition and our own intellectual beliefs. With true spirituality, what we want is to be confronted, not to be supported necessarily. I mean supported in terms of a loving support, but we need to be emotionally confronted, and intellectually confronted because if we're going to as a society get into a more loving state, even a more developed state, we have to let go of what we currently have and embrace new technologies and new feelings, and new emotions, and new beliefs. We have to do that if we're going to progress as an entire society. And we can only do that if we're willing to give away the old, or at least build on the old. [02:22:17.09]

Pseudo Spirituality: Part 2

Alright, well let's proceed with our discussion about pseudo spirituality.

Mary: So there were two basic topics we want to talk about now, and the first one was how, "pseudo spirituality promotes spirit influence and over-cloaking". So, what can you tell us about that?

8. Pseudo spirituality promotes façade and addiction, which attracts spirit influence

Well, if we look at it as a general introduction first, the problem with pseudo spirituality is that because there are so many addictions involved with pseudo spirituality, as a result there are a lot of spirits involved with pseudo spirituality as well. So spirits utilise the addictions of men and women in order to continue to have their own emotions met while they're on Earth or in the Earth state. And so we have a lot of what are called Earth bound spirits, which you've probably heard the term of.

These Earth bound spirits often influence people around the Earth to practice certain things from a religious perspective, or in the guise of a religion, in order for the people in the spirit world who have yet to resolve their unhealed emotional issues and their issues of being unloving, they finish up embracing the people on Earth and over-cloaking them or influencing them into a certain set of beliefs or practices. And perhaps what we need to do is illustrate that by going through them one by one and just illustrating to you how that happens. [00:02:23.03]

Mary: Yeah. So obviously pseudo spirituality promotes our facade and fake involvement and requires little knowledge of our real self.

Yes. So one of the first problems that we face is because pseudo spirituality promotes facade. Remember we can live in some kind of pseudo spirituality even if we're listening to truth, we can still live in that place; every time we are in a facade we're in a facade because we want certain addictions met. And spirits use addictions to control us.

Now since we're in the state where we want addictions met, that then attracts spirits who also want similar addictions met. As a result of that those spirits usually finish up either over-cloaking or influencing the person on Earth into supporting the addiction, whatever the addiction is. So rather than confronting the addiction they support the addiction and as a result of that, we're not seeing our real self and unfortunately we've attracted now spirits who don't want us to ever be our real self. They want us to be what they want so that they get their addictions met through us.

So this is very, very similar to a person who's addicted to alcohol for example. If you have an addiction to alcohol, there'll be spirits who'll come in and influence that condition to be addicted to alcohol, and as a result those spirits can then get some of the alcohol needs that they have met through the relationship with you. And pseudo spirituality promotes this, in a lot of ways.

8.1. An example of sexual addictions

So let's look at some of the addictions that I might refer to. We see it happening a lot with sexual addictions. So there are whole forms of spirituality revolving around sexual addictions and having sexual addictions met. And when I say addictions, there's addiction on two sides; there's the addiction to having lots of sex with lots of different people, that's one side. Then there's the other addiction, which is having no sex with anyone, which is the other side, and they're both addictions. One we call abstinence or celibacy, and the other is promiscuity.

So the addiction is for one or the other, and as a result, even if you're celibate you often have spirits who believe in no sex, not allowed to have sex for the rest of your life, for example feeling that's part of being holy. They're the ones who connect with you and cause the person to be celibate. And then you often have the flip side of that, which is spirits over-cloaking people and involving them in promiscuity in the form, or in the guise of spirituality.

And this is the trouble with pseudo spirituality because it promotes the facade it means that leads to addictions being met. The addictions cause the attraction and the attraction causes the spirit involvement in the spiritual form, and so we see that happening a lot. [00:06:20.22]

Mary: So there in those examples, we're defining addiction as something we do to avoid our emotional self, aren't we?

Yes, or something we do to avoid pain in our life.

9. Pseudo spirituality promotes addiction to metaphysical spiritual experiences

Mary: Yep, okay so following on from that we've said it, "promotes dependency on external spirit influences", and we actually desire spirits to provide energy and experiences for the purposes of comfort, reassurance or to feel good and whole.

Yes, so let's look at this. What happens then is we become sort of addicted to spiritual experiences; I put that in quotation marks "spiritual experiences."

9.1. Going out of body and being over-cloaked

So what often happens there is that for example, we see a lot of people that we meet who love going out of body on a frequent basis, because they get to travel the spirit world, or places in the spirit world and they get to have different experiences and so they go out of body purposefully. But often times they're going out of body on a regular basis to ignore their life on Earth or to get away from their life on Earth or to not be challenged by their life on Earth, or to have these joyful experiences that they cannot have on Earth. And as a result of that they become addicted to some metaphysical experiences, and unfortunately quite frequently spirits are interfering with these experiences or helping them have these experiences.

So they even start believing that they are a different person than they actually are. We've actually met people who have come to us and said, "I'm such and such and I lived 400 years ago" and we go, "No worries." And then we start talking to the spirit who's over-cloaking them and the spirit disconnects from the person and then the person sort of almost comes to their senses and sort of wakes up and they look at you in a dazed way and they go, "Who are you again?" Because it was the spirit who was actually interacting with you, and then when you interact with the spirit, the person disconnects and then all of a sudden the person is allowed to be themselves, and the spirit has gone away for a little while. We've often had those kinds of experiences. In fact that was our very first experience with you, Alex, wasn't it? (AJ referring to audience member) Yeah. [00:09:13.10]

9.1.1. An example of people changing their name

Mary: We also meet a lot of people who've changed their name, hey? Often when they've had an intense spiritual experience and they've found their true soul name or they've been re-birthed, and this is the real them. And very often it's actually the spirit with them, a spirit who's come to them in a time of stress or deep desire for change and avoidance of themselves.

Or a desire for their new pseudo spirituality life that they have.

Mary: Yes, that they skip over what's really there, and then they take on this name. Often those people are very challenged when we call them by their birth name, because obviously there's a lot of investment in this pseudo spiritual facade.

We've even found where we've started talking to the person about their birth name and why they felt that they needed to get rid of their birth name, and within a very short period of time they're already feeling the grief of their life when they were little. When they stay in their pseudo spiritual state and with their name that the spirit gave them, they manage to avoid all of the pain of that life that they had when they were little. And so we've actually found it very counter-productive for many of them to have changed their name.

If you ever do decide to change your name, make sure you're doing it to not avoid a whole group of emotions. Make sure the reason why you're doing it is pure rather than just a way to avoid things. Because if it's a choice to avoid, quite often a spirit comes along and tells you the name they have, and that causes a closer bond between you and that spirit, and that spirit then gets to direct your entire life. In fact we've met many, many hundreds and hundreds of people who their entire life is directed by spirits and they really do not have any will of their own as a result. [00:11:18.21]

9.1.2. An example of people giving their will away to "God"

Mary: And very often that happens even if they have a belief in God but they want to do God's Will? And so they open themselves and ask, "Okay God, what is your Will?" God's Will is that we find our own will and exercise our own personality on Earth. So very often spirits come along and go, "I'll tell you what to do", and people end up feeling like they're doing God's Will when actually it's a spirit. And it may be a spirit who believes they're guiding them in a positive way or it may be a spirit who's got some deeper darker intensions in order to get their addictions filled through this person.

So you'll find in pseudo spirituality many people have a spiritual experience and it's like they become a different person instantly. There are many documented cases of it. And like I said many hundreds of people we've met have gone through that experience. The problem with that experience is it's not a real change. It's not a soul-based change, it's not a change inside of the person, it's just the person has often times wanted to get away from their life before it happened, and they just go away from their life and in comes a spirit, and that spirit guides the rest of their life. When you start talking to the individual, and talking to them about that potential truth to them, they are instantly enraged.

So we've had so many conversations with people in that place who have gone from being nice and friendly and so called loving, one moment, until we start talking about this subject, about how a spirit is over-cloaking them and interfering with them, and instantly that spirit is so enraged, that the person themself has forgotten any sense of spiritual development at all and any sense of development of love, and now they're just in a rageful anger with us, telling us how we're wrong and this and all these other things. And straight away you can feel the spirit in a space where its authority over the individual is being challenged, and as a result of that the spirit wants to prevent that from occurring.

So the problem with all forms of pseudo spirituality that involves spirit influence is that a lot of the times the spirit wants to maintain control over the individual, and they are perfectly happy with the individual giving up control of their own self to the spirit. And as soon as you start confronting that, that's a great sign, if anger is the response, that there's something major wrong here with their spiritual development. Because it should be love that is the response, and if you were falsely accused of something occurring and you're in a state of love, what would happen? You'd stay in a state of love, even if you're falsely accused. So the reality is many of these people get very angry very rapidly. It's like they have a Jekyll and Hyde personality almost. And that is actually the case; they have a spirit over-cloaked personality and their own personality that they switch between and many of them if they went to a doctor or something the doctor would say they were schizophrenic in their nature. And that's the reason why. [00:14:38.12]

9.2. Recovering from being over-cloaked

Participant: How would you suggest someone who is in that state claims their own self again?

Good question. You have the person on Earth, and the spirit influence that's around them. The reason why that spirit can influence the person on Earth is because the person on Earth no longer wants to have control of their own life in some way so they already must have a feeling of wanting to get away from their life.

Mary: And by life you would include their emotional condition, their past, things that have happened to them in their past, their shame.

Including their emotions, their past, their experiences; they want to forget their experience.

Spirits can easily over-cloak people on Earth who want to get away from their life and their emotions

Now as soon as you have a strong desire inside of yourself to forget your own experiences and to reject your own past and to not deal with the emotions that are a part of your past, in other words to not remember them and actually process them and deal with them in a positive manner, you'll be very, very tempted to try to get away from your life. Most people don't want to get away from their life so much that they're willing to commit suicide, but they still want to get away from their life a lot. They don't like their life. Now, as soon as that happens, you are now inviting a person in the spirit world who would love to have your life, so that he or she can manipulate your life in some way to get their own addictions met. And that person will begin to have an influence over you, sometimes a very strong influence.

Now to reverse that situation, we have to go backwards as to why it happened, and why it happened was because we wanted to get away from our own life in the first place. So what we need to do is start embracing our own life and our own emotions and our own past and our own experiences. To do that we have to go through an emotional psychological process of embracing our life, the things that actually happened to us in our past, and work our way through them in an emotionally present manner. When we do that it is impossible for spirits to have a great deal of influence on us anymore. If we don't do that, then every time we desire to step away from our life again, the spirit can have influence on us again. Now if we're always stepping away from our life, the spirits can maintain almost total control over us. [00:18:03.18]

9.3. An example of manic depression

Now there are two primary forms of what are classified as mental illnesses that the majority of people have heard of, that are a part of these kinds of influences with spirits. The first one is called manic depression, which you would have heard of. It's a depression where you have very, very high highs, which are called highs, and very, very low lows. What's happening there is when you go into a high state you are actually being spirit over-cloaked, usually by more than one spirit. They pump you with their energy and keep you awake as long as possible so that they can experience what they have missed out on experiencing on Earth for as long as possible. This is why many people in a high, spend a long time, usually 23 hours out of 24 awake, doing all sorts of things they would not normally do.

Now when spirits do this, they have an effect on your physical and spiritual bodies, so much that the physical and spiritual bodies start to be degraded in their condition and the sprit body in particular can no longer maintain its energy. As that degrades, eventually it gets to the point where the spirits can no longer manipulate the connection and the spirit connection breaks off. And that's when the person goes into a deep depression, which is where they would normally be, avoiding their day-to-day emotions.

Then once they recover from that physically and spiritually, they then start going back up again and then the spirits can influence them again and take them back up into a high and then they stay in the manic phase for a period. Then you have this fluctuating effect happening, and they are just spirits affecting the whole process.

In many religions a lot of people view that state as actually a good state. In many religions, particularly when you go to Africa or South America, they can see the difference in the over-cloaked state compared to the normal state and they call such a person a prophet. So they don't actually give it a name manic depression - they call it being a prophet. It's often the same state.

9.4. An example of schizophrenia

Another state that you would have heard of is schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a state where a person is hearing voices constantly, and really what they're doing is they're hearing the voices of spirits talking to them constantly. Some of those spirits are what you would call malevolent, in fact the majority of them generally are, so they want the person to die or they want the person to do damaging things, or they want the person to do all sorts of other things. [00:21:22.17]

And then there are some that are benevolent but it's rare. There are some that are benevolent who want to help the person or so-called "help" the person. This kind of person generally switches between one state and the next or one spirit and the next sequentially and so therefore it's very difficult dealing with their day-to-day life. And often times you're dealing with a different person every time their character or personality switches; you're actually dealing with a different spirit in the spirit world. The key is to address each spirit and work out why that spirit is attracted to the person. And once you've worked all those things out you can see what emotions that the person themselves on Earth is avoiding.

So whenever a person on Earth is avoiding something this causes a much greater attraction for spirit influences upon the person. So, pseudo spirituality promotes avoidance, it actually supports avoidance, it doesn't confront it. It supports addiction, avoidance and facade. Because of that reason, you often see many people who are involved in those forms of spirituality over-cloaked or severely influenced by spirits. You often can be talking to them one minute, and then it's like, "Who are you now? You're like a different person," talking to them the next minute. The primary reason why is during that time there was a transition of what spirit was controlling the person, or themselves controlling themselves and then a spirit controlling them. And you often see that relationship. [00:23:01.03]

10. Spirits influence people on Earth energetically through addictions

Participant: Hi, I'm just wondering do the spirits also, because they're pumping someone with energy, do they lose energy themselves?

They do, yes, and eventually they cannot maintain the amount of energy they need to maintain to pump the person full of energy; so they then can no longer do it and they have to disconnect for a period of time but because their emotional addiction is to control the person to do certain things...

So let's say the spirit is missing out on sex in the spirit world, and they want to over-cloak a person on Earth who will engage freely in sex if they over-cloak them, then they over-cloak them, pump them full of the energy, help their sexual experiences until the person gets so exhausted that they can't even maintain their own body anymore and the spirit can't maintain the connection anymore. The spirit then disconnects and the person goes into a huge slump straight away, remembers what they've done, feels ashamed, feels even worse, and then the cycle continues because the person doesn't want to feel what they're feeling, and so they step away even further. As soon as they recover physically then the spirit over-cloaks them again.

Participant: So the main way they influence people is through this sort of energy? Like they're pumping energy or giving negative energy to make someone feel bad or...?

Well, let's define energy. What is emotion? Emotion is really energy "in motion". Many people have heard of that.

So energy and emotion you could say is e-motion. The reality is that it's our emotional condition, our desire for certain emotions to be met that we're not willing to meet within ourselves or in a pure way; we just want the addiction met for that emotion any time from any person. And it's our addiction that creates or establishes the connection between a spirit who's willing to give us that addiction, that emotion we want, as long as we're willing to do what he or she wants. So there is an exchange where we are willing to do what he or she wants so that we get what we want. And that's what creates the over-cloaking or the spirit influence.

If you are not willing to exchange emotions with people, in any addictive manner - in other words I'm not willing to do something for you if I notice that you are in an addiction and want something from me in that addiction, and you are not willing to do something for me when I'm in an addiction, or you notice in me something that seems to be an addiction, then it's very difficult for us to give each other an exchange of emotions that would validate both of us. And it's exactly the same with our spirit friends. If we wish to give them something and we wish to receive something in return, then there's a high likelihood that we will be influenced. If we're unwilling to engage in energy or emotional exchange, then there's a very low likelihood of us being influenced by spirits no matter what condition we are in. [00:26:16.22]

Mary: That kind of links in with one of the other points that we said which is about threats and blackmail.

Yeah, so we need to speak a bit more about that.

10.1. An example of being "cheered up" by spirits

Participant: Hi, I was just wondering, I just recently had a memory of being a very young child and all the adults were projecting, "Hurry up and speak we're not interested in what you have to say." My heart just sank and I felt so small, so insignificant and then a very clearly very "loving" voice said, "Don't worry, one day they'll listen to you". And the emotion from the distress went straight into comfort and reassurance. Now that I'm focusing on that voice of the spirit, the "one day they'll listen to you" was quite angry. To disconnect from that spirit I have to release that causal emotion, so there's still this spirit that's with me?

That's correct Laura, so what you need to do, the emotion that you didn't want to feel when you were a child, which is understandable because you were only a child, was this emotion that nobody wants to know you, nobody wants to care about what you were saying or feeling: that emotion. The spirit was willing to work on that emotion, to give you support and make you feel comforted, but the spirit wants to manipulate that emotion as well, wants to create the bond.

There are some spirits who are not like that; they are more benevolent and they're willing to say to you, "Somebody will listen to you in the future" without wanting something in return. But the problem is you've got to be able to feel the spirit to feel which kind of spirit it is, and for many of us we just want the addiction met, we don't really care. [00:28:00.03]

Participant: So would there be an investment in the spirit of not wanting me to go to that causal emotion?

Definitely.

Participant: Because when I try to go to it, I feel pain but I don't feel emotion, I just feel pain.

Yes, every spirit that's in a co-dependent relationship with us doesn't want us to go to the emotion that will cause us to disconnect from the co-dependent relationship. Just the same as any person on Earth is.

Participant: And to deal with it, we use constant prayer of reliving that moment...?

Prayer, but also a desire to actually stop getting the addiction met, and to deal with or address the fear that you have that you'll never be loved. So, there has to be some kind of desire develop within the individual to overcome the emotion through a process of experiencing it before the spirit can disconnect. Because otherwise the desire in the person is, "Please, please give me the emotion, please give me the emotion", going around to everybody, and of course you'll have spirits attracted to you who'll be totally happy to give you the emotion you want, as long as they get something in return.

11. Discerning and overcoming negative spirit influence

Participant: Back onto the previous point you had, if none of us were living this joyful wonderful life that we should be living therefore we're all being over-cloaked, because as soon as we could release an emotion and get rid of that littlie bogeyman, "Oh gosh there's another one". So even though I've risen up, closer to the goal I've got a better bogeyman.

Better bogey man (Laughs). Not all spirit influence of course is malevolent.

Participant: Can you tell? Like have you got a test?

It's quite easy to tell, yes, because spirits who are friendly are not going to try to influence your will. Spirits who are malevolent always attempt to influence your will, when I say influence, they want to control your will in a negative direction. Spirits who are positive never want to control your will in any direction.

We've given talks about positive influence versus negative influences from the spirit world, but if you look at the two types of spirit influence, let's call it "bad", in terms of a simple explanation, and "good". "Good" meaning it's going to help your soul progress, going to help your soul grow; it's going to make you more loving, more truthful, more honest; all of those things. "Bad" meaning it's going to keep you stagnant, it's going to keep you in the same emotions, keep you in your addictions and all of those kinds of things. So that's the definition in this case. I'll just use those terms because it's simple and easier to write as well.

11.1. Becoming ethical

Now if we look at the type of influence, we don't have to progress very far in our spiritual development to release bad influences. There is only really one or two things we have to do. One is to become more ethical. So if we personally are ethical (and I've given a talk recently about ethics called "The Human Soul - Ethics and Morality), we are more unwilling to live in unethical relationships with any person or spirit. We are willing to live in a loving way, in other words we are willing to give to others, but we're not willing to take from others unless they have a willingness to give, and also that it's in harmony with the principles of love.

So some people are willing to give but it's not in harmony with the principles of love. Some people want to give because they then get an addiction met, for example, if we're in ethical arrangements with people, it's very, very hard for a negative individual, whether that person is on Earth or in the spirit world - it doesn't matter - to influence us in a negative direction. It's very difficult because that person has lost then all method of control. The way they control us is through our addictions not being ethical, and through our addictions being met in an unethical manner. [00:32:08.08]

11.2. Having personal integrity and using self-analysis to identify addictions

Mary: So would you say it's a willingness to compromise integrity?

Yes. That was the second thing I wanted to raise. If we have personal integrity and we know ourselves and we can feel yes, now I want something from that person and we notice that within ourselves, then that is the time it is very dangerous for us to be involved in an exchange of any type with any person, whether it's on Earth or in the spirit world. Because if we lack integrity, then any person who wants us to do something for them, all they need to do is feed us with our lack of integrity, whatever that demands and at the same time they can then give us what we demand as a result and we enter this bond if you like, or co-dependent addiction.

So are many of you au fait with, or understand about co-dependent addictions with relationships between people on Earth? Yep. So you'd understand that with a co-dependent addiction, one person has a need that the other person is willing to give. And then the other person has a need, which the opposite person is willing to give. And because the two are willing to supply each other's needs in a co-dependent manner it draws the relationship together. This is exactly the same with every spirit relationship.

So any spirit, who comes to us and influences us, is in a co-dependent addiction with us, in a co-dependent relationship. If we have ethics and integrity, it's very, very hard for any person to be in a co-dependent relationship with us because we refuse to be dependent on another person for what they give us emotionally. And if we refuse to do that then it's very, very difficult for any spirit to then influence me in a negative direction. To develop those two qualities of ethics and integrity is quite important within us: if we can develop those two qualities we can prevent any negative spirit influence from occurring in our life generally. And there have been many people we've known who have done that and disconnected from spirits over a period of time through that process.

Mary: AJ would you say that that requires a level of humility?

It requires self-analysis, doesn't it?

11.3. A hypothetical example of AJ having addictions with Mary

We need to look at ourselves and we go okay, "What do I want from Mary?" So I've got to look at myself and go, "What do I want from Mary? I want Mary to think I'm beautiful and nice and lovely and I want her to..." these are all the feelings I might want from her. And then okay, "What does Mary want from me? She wants to feel safe and secure and all those kinds of things", so as long as I make her feel safe and secure, she might give me the emotions I want.

Now most of the time we do that in a very unconscious manner but we still do it. Now if I'm willing to feel that Mary's actually feeling very unsafe, and if I make her feel safe, while that might be great, she might give me nice feelings as a result, I'm not helping her soul grow. So therefore it would be unethical for me to make her feel safe. She needs to go through whatever is making her feel unsafe. And if she goes through that she can then decide for herself whether she wants to give me any nice feelings or not, without it being a bartering system where I'm exchanging one feeling for another. [00:35:45.11]

Now if I have some ethics I'd go, "Okay, I know that I badly want this feeling from Mary, this feeling that I'm a nice fellow and I'm sexy and I'm gorgeous and she's into me and all that kind of stuff", and so I badly want that from her so I know that there must be some unhealed emotions inside of me that cause me to want that from her, that I need to heal. So rather than trying to get that from her, I need to heal that inside of me, I need to sort out why I have all those unhealed emotions inside of me.

So imagine if I healed that inside of myself, I will no longer feel like I need that from Mary. I will also no longer feel I need to give her emotions that make her feel safe and secure. Now if she does exactly the same thing, she no longer wants emotions from me that make her feel safe and secure, and she's no longer willing to barter with me sexually to get the feeling of being safe and secure, then we are now our true selves. Now if we come together it'll be based upon a desire for each other that's pure and not based on a co-dependent emotional addiction.

Now if Mary has passed, the situation is no different. I'm still on Earth and Mary's passed. If I have this emotion coming out of me that I want to be made to feel good and nice and gorgeous and sexy and all that kind of stuff and Mary's passed, and if she's willing to barter that for making her feel safe and secure, then she'll give me that emotion and I can give her the safe and secure emotion, and we'll still be in a co-dependent addiction. It makes no difference whether we're living on Earth, or whether one of us has passed, or whether both of us have passed. We are still going to have to work our way through whether we're being loving or not with our addictions.

11.4. Not engaging in addictions overcomes negative spirit influence

Now pseudo spirituality says that, "Oh none of that matters." Pseudo spirituality says, "It's great to give a person what they want." There are even books written about this on Earth where there are different forms of love that we like. What's it called? "The Five Languages of Love." And sorry to the writer, but you're way off.

The languages of love are, "I want safety, when I get safety I feel loved". Well that's an addiction, that's not love. That's a desire for a certain addiction to be met. Now when you have healed every feeling of fear within yourself you'll automatically feel safe. So of course you won't at that point in time feel like you need the addiction of your safety being met right at that moment. So when a man comes along and he tries to make you feel safe, you'll go, "What are you doing that for?" (Laughs) "I want you to love me not make me feel safe, like, I'm already safe, I was safe before you come along, I'll be safe if you go, I'll be right." [00:38:49.18]

Mary: And it actually feels quite condescending then.

It feels condescending then; it's no longer co-dependent because I feel a repulsion now to any co-dependent addiction because I've healed the emotion inside of me. And that's how things happen with regard to spirits too. I can no longer be attracted to a spirit giving me an emotion once I've healed the emotion inside of myself, just like I can no longer be attracted to a person on Earth.

Mary: So really in answer to the gentleman's question, it's two parts. A willingness just to have personal integrity will reduce a lot, but then the full completion of it is when we've dealt with all the emotions. Is that what you're saying?

Yes, that's true. Obviously it's a growing process, we'll deal with one emotion, we'll deal with another emotion and as we deal with different emotions different spirits leave us and other ones come, but we only have to deal with a couple of different feelings; the ethics and integrity to stop engaging these spirits emotionally, and that can be done quite quickly. You can do that within a week in your life basically, to stop engaging the spirits. But for many people they want to engage the sprits, they want the feeling so badly that they're willing to engage anybody, let alone a spirit, so they do.

12. Audience questions about spirit influence

12.1. An example of people looking glazed during conversations

Participant: I've had many conversations with people where they have this blank look on their face for thirty seconds, as if they're really glazed. I always used to think before I found out about spirit attachment that they were just bored of what I was saying. So is a spirit coming in then and getting them to kind of switch out and is that because of something I've said to them?

Usually when people go glazed, there is generally one emotion primarily and that is whatever subject was being discussed before then, they don't want to be emotionally involved with. Now generally what happens is a person steps away from that discussion inside of themselves. Now at that point of time it depends on how mediumistic they are, as to whether a spirit will over-cloak them or they'll just be in a dazed state. It just depends completely on what their previous relationships with spirits has basically been. For some people their previous relationship hasn't been established, so they just stay in a dazed state until you've changed the subject. And once you've changed the subject, "Oh that's a subject I'm interested in", and away they engage again without there being too much spirit influence. [00:41:36.10]

If it's a person who's had a lot of spirit influence in their life and who's more mediumistic than that, then often times a spirit will come and engage that subject. So you'll see a small glazed period or a switch in the personality of the individual and then from that moment on when you're talking about the same subject the spirit's talking rather than the person. And then when you stop talking about that subject the spirit goes away because he's not interested in the next subject, and back comes the person. These kinds of transactions happen very, very frequently in our day-to-day life. The majority of you would be absolutely frightened out of your wits to know how often it happens in our day-to-day life. There's no need to be frightened though, it's just understanding what's going on emotionally inside of us that causes us to make the decisions that we make.

12.2. An example of asking questions at seminars

Mary: I see it often in audiences as well when there's a pressure behind the person to ask the question and I often feel like it's not the person who's got the question, there's a spirit going, "You've got to ask this now."

"You've got to ask this now; you've got to ask this now."

Mary: "I've got to know."

"I've got to put my hand up, I don't even want my hand up, I don't want my face on television, I don't want my face on the Internet, but I've got to put my hand up." It's like somebody is doing this to you almost: and a lot of that is connected with your own emotion too though because they can't do that with you without there being some kind of emotion inside of you.

Now sometimes the emotion is a good emotion, like an emotion where you want to help somebody is an emotion that's a positive emotion that loves. So you might feel the spirit with you, you might have met them in the sleep state, you might feel compassion for them in the sleep state, and so you want to help them and so you feel compelled to put up your hand and ask the question for them because of that love that you have for them. Or it could be a co-dependant addiction. The key is to be self-analytical; to be able to see what is going on inside of you, to what motivates the different things going on in terms of discussions and so forth. [00:43:35.25]

12.3. An example of people looking glazed during conversations (continued)

Now when I say self-analytical, the fastest way to be self-analytical is to actually feel what you're feeling. So in other words you have a discussion with me and I'm feeling like, "Yeah I think I will engage Yvette on this discussion, it's a bit boring, this discussion but she seems to be a nice person so I'll engage her." Now am I really committed in the discussion? No. So if I were truly honest and loving, what would I say?

Participant: You're boring me. (Laughs)

Well I might not say it exactly like that if I'm loving. I might say, "I'm bored with this topic of discussion"

Mary: I'm not interested in this topic.

So it's not you're boring me, because you might be very interesting on other topics. (Laughter) It's just this particular topic I don't find much interest in. So if a person comes up to me now and speaks about what happened in rugby league last weekend, I'm not that attracted to that discussion. If they're talking about what happened in AFL last weekend then I'm a little more attracted to that subject, but it's still not very high on my list of priorities. And inside of any individual, because of our personality and nature, we have literally thousands of topics that may interest us but also many thousands of topics that may bore us or we don't feel that interested in at the time, and the key is to be honest and truthful about that, so that the person then can choose do I want to engage them or not?

One of the most terrible things I find engaging any individual is just sitting back there going, "Yes, yes, yes," and inside there's the feeling you can feel from the person, they're not really interested, they don't really care, they're not engaged, they don't really want to be there. It's far better if they just say, "Look I don't want to talk about this". I'd go, "You beauty, let's play..." [00:45:31.10]

Mary: Let's play ping pong. (Laughter)

Yeah or let's do something different or not talk about it at all. The big issue that we have with most of our interactions is that we're not prepared to be honest, truthful and loving at the same time. And because we're not prepared to do that, this is what causes people to disengage from conversations, and that's what causes the blank looks on their faces. It's what causes spirits to also often be involved in conversations that the person does not want to be involved in. If we all just engage truthfully, then a lot of these things would never occur.

12.4. Dealing with negative spirit influence by being ethical

Participant: I think I'm finding it a bit overwhelming. The three points you said about dealing with the bad spirits, was something on ethics, integrity and self-analysis.

Yep. What I mean by ethical is; if I have a demand upon you that I am not willing to meet for myself, and I notice you have a demand upon me that you are not willing to meet for yourself, then we're both not being ethical in an interaction we're having. So if I'm not willing to do something for myself that I am willing to do for you, or wanting you to do for me, then I am not ethical. I am not having the same demand upon myself as I am upon you.

Now any time that happens in our life, we are actually placing ourselves in a position where other people can manipulate us. And as soon as another person can manipulate us we are now placing ourselves in danger. Whether that person is on Earth or not, is immaterial. They can be a spirit in the spirit world or a person on Earth, it doesn't matter.

We are placing ourselves in a position where we can be manipulated because we are not having the same demands upon another that we have upon ourselves. If we're ethical and we do have the same requirements of ourselves as another, then there's a higher likelihood that we would never engage in addictive behaviour with other people, because we'd see, "Oh, I have a feeling in myself that I feel unloved." I wouldn't expect you to make me feel loved. I would actually firstly address the emotion inside of me why I'm unloved and I would work my way through that, which is a lot of grief involved generally with that. Once I come out the other side of that, now we can have an interaction where I'm not demanding something of you that was unethical. You don't have to make me feel loved in a transaction, that's the reality, and if I'm saying to you, you do from an emotional perspective, then I'm being unethical. [00:48:34.29]

So ethics is a very easy way of being able to separate yourself from spirit influence because most spirit influenced people are not being ethical with the spirit. And the spirit's not being ethical with them. So it's a very fast way of disconnecting yourself from spirit influence.

12.5. An example of people giving their will away to "God" (continued)

Participant: I just wanted to ask you before when you said if we're open to God's Will that's when spirits come in, rather than doing what we want to do.

Mary: Often yes, because God's Desire for us is that we discover ourselves. We're talking about pseudo spirituality versus true spirituality. Now in pseudo spirituality there's a lot of emphasis, as we've been talking about, on the facade and avoiding our real self. God created us with this beautiful personality when it's in harmony with love, so God's Desire for us is to discover ourselves. If that's damaged initially, to discover that damage and have the courage to release it, so that then we could be our true selves as God created us, which is a beautiful, unique personality with desires of their own that we can follow in harmony with love. So when we opt for God's Will, often we're in that indecision injury that AJ spoke of earlier. We say, "I don't know what to do, God could you tell me what to do," which is really actually us avoiding what's already inside of us.

Or avoiding making a decision for ourselves.

Mary: Yeah, so there's a lot of fear involved in that. God's Desire is that we confront our fear and discover ourselves and heal ourselves and then whatever we do with our will, will be loving. So that's why when we say, " God's Will" it's usually a huge injury and an avoidance and it's missing the mark of truth, which is; God wants us to know our own unique will in harmony with love because that's always going to serve ourselves, God and everyone else, once we use our will in harmony with love. Is that clearer?

12.5.1. Recognising where spiritual advice is coming from and whether it's loving

Participant: So if you're indecisive and you asked something, you might talk to God. So would you just maybe get a feeling in your heart? I sometimes just get a message up here (points to head), but is that just maybe spirit telling me?

Mary: Yes.

Participant: A spirit telling me, whereas maybe I should be getting a feeling in my heart, which is more me.

Exactly.

Mary: Yeah, and it will require some self-analysis as well, so looking at your own feelings and being able to feel that spirit for you to be able to understand if that is actually a benevolent spirit - in other words someone who's guided by love, or someone who's guided by wanting you to stay in addiction and to create a co-dependence with them.

There's going to be no harm to your soul following the advice of somebody who's loving. There's going to be harm to your soul following the advice of somebody who's unloving. So the key is to remember that spirits can be either loving or unloving and we need to know the difference if we're going to follow their advice. So when somebody's there giving us some advice there's no harm in listening to the advice, the key is to ask ourselves whether the advice is loving or unloving.

Many of the schizophrenic people that I talked about earlier, get advice like, "Kill that person. Kill your self." Now that's very unloving advice and so therefore it would be very sad if the person engaged that unloving advice because it's going to harm their soul as well as the soul of the spirit who's giving them that advice. So it's far better if the person reflects and goes, okay, yes we need to work out whether this person is giving me loving advice or unloving advice. If they're giving me loving advice, it's my choice still to follow it or not. I'm allowed to choose, that's what free will is. Free will is the gift to choose what I desire to do. Whether it's loving or unloving I have that free will to choose which one I do. [00:52:56.18]

Mary: And the danger is, as you've correctly just thought of, when we think that it is me, which is my higher self, giving that advice, rather than being connected to ourselves and realising no that's somebody else telling me; and pseudo spirituality encourages us not to examine that, it says yes, yes, yes that's your higher self, yes you know because it promotes an avoidance of our true feelings, our heart connection. So it's great that you're now thinking, "Hang on, who is that telling me that?"

It might be someone very friendly and is helping your life out, or it might be someone different to that, or it might be someone just feeding an addiction; the key is for you to make the choice about which one that is, and to follow the advice dependent upon what kind of person is giving the advice. If you went along to some kind of event where you notice every single person in the audience seemed to have a really terrible messed up life and their life was continuing to be really, really bad and they weren't happy at all, and then they were coming up to you to give you advice then you'd be going, "I don't know if I should follow this advice".

The problem with spirits doing it is that we believe that they've all somehow worked their life out when most of them have yet to have worked their life out - well most of the ones that are on Earth have yet to work their life out anyway. So we follow the advice of people in just as bad a condition as what I've just described without any consideration whatsoever as to what their condition is or what kind of advice they're giving. And that's a very harmful thing to do to our life and in the end we will be harmed by that choice and decision if we follow the advice of people we don't know and we don't know their condition. That's always going to harm us at some point.

So the key is to use your beautiful will, the gift that God has given you, to work our whether the person is loving or unloving or work out whether they're being truthful or not truthful. Decide for yourself, and once you decide for yourself you have the choice then to do whatever you wish.

The problem with pseudo spirituality is that often it encourages the abdication of the will. So in other words we give up our own will because we've got this person talking to us every day, saying this is what we should do, whom we believe is God. We have this friend of ours who when we first met him, he'd wake up every single morning, and he would say to himself, "Whatever you want me to do I will do today". Straight away he got a heap of messages about what he should do that day and he engaged every single one of those things that he could do that day, or he followed every single piece of advice he was given. And one of the first questions I asked him when we met was do you know who's giving you the advice? And he had no idea who was giving him the advice. If he could have seen the spirits who were giving the advice he would never have listened to their advice. [00:56:11.16]

Now those spirits encouraged him to leave his family, which he now regrets. They were encouraging him to leave most of his friends, which he now regrets. They were actually encouraging him to actually die, which he started to recognise as well. Then he started realising that that group of spirits wasn't as nice as what he originally thought. He thought they were God. The voices were telling him that it was God talking to him and so forth but the advice was all sorts of very unloving advice so definitely not God giving unloving advice.

12.6. An example of a woman who was healed from panic attacks resulting from spirit attack

Participant: I suffered from nocturnal panic attacks and it took me eight long arduous years of research to find I was being attacked by spirit entities or energies. I found an esoteric healer and in one session I was released and I haven't had a panic attack since 2003. Can you tell me what he actually did because it just absolutely turned my life around? It was fantastic and I have the best life of anybody I know now. But prior to that I was going through absolute hell.

I can explain what happened certainly.

Participant: Oh good.

He probably is not aware of what happened actually himself, so it's good for you to know what actually happened. From quite a young age you had a spirit attached to you, who was attached to you and attracted to you because of fear; fear of things that happened in your childhood that she saw happen, and she had even worse things happen in her childhood. She was attracted to your fear and she would heighten your fear. The more I talk about it you'll find, you possibly in the end will even know her personality and so forth.

Now, what would happen at night times for you is that you would have these male spirits come along who would be attracted to the combination of your fears and attracted to her fear in particular. Then they would try to attack her through you or you via her, through the fear relationship that you had. As a result you were very, very frightened. You've been very frightened from a very young age, yes? Yes.

A woman had a female spirit attached to her due to similar fears, which attracted spirit attack from other spirits

Now what he did was he didn't get rid of those spirits. He helped her go. When she disconnected from you, you had only your fear again to deal with, rather than a combination of your and her fear. And also these spirits who were attacking were attracted to her primarily and her fear primarily, not necessarily to yours. And so for that reason you no longer feel that attack, and therefore no longer go into a panic. [00:59:34.01]

However can I point out one thing, you still have some childhood fear to deal with and while you have that childhood fear inside of you there is the potential of some other woman spirit who's afraid, coming and attaching herself to you in the future, and the same dynamic being set up again.

The woman had the attached spirit removed, but still has childhood fear to release that attracted the spirit attachment

Now the reason why it hasn't happened for the last eight years is because once you released the connection, you are in less fear. As a result there are less spirits wanting to connect to you who are also in fear. As soon as the connection is severed, that's what has occurred. So what this esoteric healer did was help you disconnect from that spirit who was in fear, which is a lovely gift yes that the person gave you?

Participant: I've actually just written a book about it.

So that's what's happened to you in your life. Now, what would be even better though for yourself is to address the childhood fear that still remains within you. And the only way you are going to address that is by actually feeling it. Now a lot of people believe that if they feel it, they will attract a bad spirit again; that is not the case. It's only if you deny it that you'll attract them again. The key is to feel it and release it and then it's gone from you for good and then from that moment on there is no chance of you ever being over-cloaked by another spirit.

The other thing the esoteric healer did for you though, which is perhaps less helpful, is that there is now a spirit who is a friend of the esoteric healer, who is now protecting you from being influenced by any fear-based spirit. So this friend of the esoteric healer feels he is doing you a favour and you believe he is of course, because he knows that you still have this childhood fear inside of you. So what he's trying to do is use his effort to prevent this influence from other spirits while you still have this fear within you.

The woman now has a male spirit protecting her from becoming attached to other women spirits in fear

Now if you allow yourself to release that fear, he won't need to be there anymore either. That's what's going on for you.

Participant: Thank you very much.

It's a pleasure. The reason why these kinds of events happen is because around many healers there are spirits who have a deep desire to help people on Earth but they're not sure how to do it. For many of them the way they do it is by protecting the person from other people they feel are the negative influences. So this spirit believes he is doing you a favour, but in the long run you're still going to have to deal with the fear, which has been there from a very young age through childhood events that you are aware of, yes? Okay, let's proceed now.

13. Sexual addictions and pseudo spirituality

We want to get onto the sexual addictions because it is a big part of what we notice in pseudo spirituality.

Mary: All right, so let's just go to pseudo spirituality "meets sexual addictions". Pseudo spirituality looks for reasons and beliefs to hide behind the sexual addiction rather that confront it and we've listed here two different ways that that can happen.

So let's go on to the examples and then we'll illustrate the point.

13.1. Sexual shame and guilt can lead to two types of sexual addictions found in pseudo spirituality

Mary: So when we have a lot of sexual shame for example, that's in us from childhood, and we don't want to confront the sexual shame that we're carrying, and we don't want to confront that terrible feeling inside of ourselves, we often promote sexual suppression and we choose a form of spirituality that is a vehicle for suppression.

So let's start with the emotion of sexual shame, or sometimes we feel it as sexual guilt, which often comes from the way in which our parents have treated us when we've touched ourselves sexually, or something like that when we're very young. We often get a lot of shame projected at us, and a lot of anger and rage projected at us as a child. So this sexual shame and guilt builds within us, and sometimes our parents already have it so then it causes us to already have it.

Now, which way do we respond to it? There's usually one of two different ways.

13.1.1. Sexual suppression

One way is to reject it completely and live a life of sexual suppression. Now if we choose to do that, we will choose a spiritual form or a spiritual process that actually helps us do that.

Mary: That promotes that.

That promotes that. So it might promote celibacy for example. It might view all forms of sexuality as not being holy. We take on this sort of very what I suppose you could call a catholic view, which is that the priesthood is the holiest and the nuns are the holiest because they are the ones who don't have sex with anyone. We have a tendency then to take on that particular viewpoint, where we begin to live our own life in a similar manner. So, in other words we don't wish to engage in relationships if they involve sex for example. So you have many people going down that track, of rejecting their sexuality completely, living a life of sexual suppression and choosing forms of beliefs that support their suppression.

Mary: So that would involve some kind of Eastern philosophies as well where desire is judged, would you say?

Yes, some types of Eastern philosophies actually believe in the suppression of all desire. In other words they believe that if you have desire you are yet to be spiritually developed. And there are many forms of Eastern religion that are based around this one premise, that desire causes all forms of problems. And I can't agree with it at all.

God created us to have desire; I just believe the desire must be addressed in a loving manner. Unfortunately many believe that suppression of all desire is the way to live your life and that often comes from deeper unhealed emotions about childhood events that have occurred to the individual. [01:07:23.17]

Participant: So that's also predominant within societies. For instance I've been involved in a yogic tradition and we were taught that you might have your householder phase where you raise your children, but then you would go off and you would leave your partner and you would go on your own spiritual journey. And that obviously appealed to me most recently because of all this shame and guilt of what I'd done in the past.

It also appeals for other emotional reasons beside sexual reasons.

Participant: So being special and...

Being special, also not wanting to be controlled by your love for another. Not wanting to feel the potential of rejection from love, the other person rejecting you, so we often reject other people before they will reject us. There are all sorts of emotional reasons why we will leave somebody that we've spent most of our life with, and not all of them are loving.

Participant: They're actually saying that in order to do certain higher spiritual practices that you can't be having sex, so that fits in with that obviously.

Exactly, and I disagree with that completely. God gave a woman a vagina and a man a penis, so that means from God's perspective having such organs are holy in themselves; is a holy creation in itself. Any type of religious belief or any type of spiritual belief or practice that promotes the misuse of them, or the complete non use of them, is in itself obviously flawed. From a logical perspective it's flawed. So any type of practice that involves those types of things is flawed.

So whenever a religious person, or a person on a certain spiritual path promotes to us that to have a higher form of faith, or a higher form of spirituality, we must reject our sexuality, they are automatically out of harmony with logic but they are also automatically out of harmony with the creation of our own body. So therefore it can't be spiritual. I actually feel it's not spiritual. It's the complete opposite.

Mary: We talked about two different things. So we might be attracted to a path that promotes sexual suppression, or we will just judge sexuality as dirty, and celibacy as holy and pure, but we're still carrying that shame. And that shame might still manifest itself even, for example a priest who becomes engaged with paedophilia or a monk who lauds celibacy but is continually fighting his sexual desire, and they're judging it through their shame.

Yeah, and I've seen even people who are meant to be well developed on that path of sexual suppression, if we could call it that, such as the Dalai Lama; he has even commented that he often describes it as having "trouble" controlling his sexual urges. I don't think it's the trouble, the trouble is not recognising them as a part of his spiritual nature. Instead what he's doing is he's trying to deny them as a part of his spiritual nature, which is why we finish up having trouble with them.

Mary: Exactly, there's so much about sexuality.

So we need to understand that this sexual suppression as a form of spirituality is never going to enhance our life. It is never going to be completely successful in suppressing our nature, and there are many, many people who have discovered that in their life of course. [01:11:17.14]

13.1.2. Sexual promiscuity

Mary: Okay, the converse thing that pseudo spirituality might do, rather than looking for reasons to suppress, or ways to suppress, is it looks for reasons and beliefs to help us to openly live in our sexual addiction.

So this time, instead of rejecting completely and having a life of sexual suppression, we openly accept and practice sexual promiscuity.

Mary: And ironically this can be driven by exactly the same emotion, by the emotion of shame.

Exactly. It's the same emotion, just suppressed and controlled in a different way. So for example, if we have some sexual shame, we may want to actually overcome the shame by making out that we no longer have it. In other words, what we do is we get enraged about having shame and then in our rage we then carry out actions that cause us to make out that we're not affected by our shame. So we start convincing ourselves that promiscuity is fine by us, it doesn't have any effect on us, and all of those kinds of things. Then we'll be attracted to forms of spirituality that allow us to accept and openly practice sexual promiscuity. So we'll be very attracted to things like tantric sex practices for example.

Mary: And this idea of connecting to God during or through sex.

I keep reminding people that you cannot connect to God through sex. You connect to God through a relationship with God. You connect to your partner through sex. God doesn't want to have sex with you. God wants to have another relationship. God already has sex Herself, with Herself. She is one complete soul. She doesn't need you to have sex with. The reality is the soulmate relationship is the sexual relationship, the relationship between the two halves of the soul. So whenever we're involved in openly accepting and practicing sexual promiscuity, and then we choose a form of religion or a form of spiritual development that supports that behaviour, then we're actually choosing it out of an addiction that we're responding to in one way or the other.

So can you see how that affects our lives as well? There are many forms of spirituality on the planet about the complete denial of sexual experience, which have no logical sense whatsoever to them considering that we were built with sexual organs, and then there are also complete forms of spirituality, less popular on the planet, that embrace the sexual experience with anybody and anything almost. They of course also have issues with a very similar group of emotions. That's something we need to consider.

13.1.3. Sexual suppression (continued)

Mary: It's very sad isn't it, because when we do confront the injuries we have in our sexual selves, that sexual part of our nature, and we heal them, what I'm beginning to feel is that there's so much creativity locked up in that sexual part of ourselves. Obviously God created it to be a creative union, but also it feels like whole parts of my nature that are creative are kind of squashed through me judging and being ashamed and trying to avoid this sexual side of myself. [01:15:09.10]

Yes, and if you think even from a historical perspective, many religions have condemned female sexuality in particular because they are so afraid of females having power over males. So what they do is establish another alternative and that is males having power over females, and so you see all the way through the Bible in both the Old Testament and the New Testament males exercising power over females because of females being viewed as the weaker sex or as being influential upon a male's sexuality, and therefore controlling a male's sexuality. I think it is actually Luther that said he wasn't in favour of women being present in masses, because they caused unholy erections in holy men, (Laughter). Which is a man not taking responsibility for his erection, is it not? (Laughs)

Mary: Even in the Islamic faith I know that I had friends who told me, "We need to cover ourselves because otherwise we're responsible for what the man would do."

It was the women's responsibility to control the man's sexual desire.

13.2. Other ways sexual addictions can play out in pseudo spirituality

Mary: This probably leads to one of the final points, and that was about when we're looking for sexual power or glory, or we are afraid of sexual power, we either wish to be dominated sexually or to dominate sexually, and we create pseudo spiritual practices or belief systems to support our sexual injury: for example, becoming a sexual healer in order to have sex with large numbers of men and women, being attracted to Eastern philosophies that promote sexual power; using spirituality to promote promiscuity, using spirituality to promote serial monogamy, allowing spirits to set up sexual liaisons and to be involved during the sex act, calling it sacred sexuality or sacred union but without involving development in love or a real connection to God.

14. Discerning true spirituality from pseudo spirituality

So I suppose this brings us to an introduction to tomorrow, just as a conclusion to today's talk, and that is having gone through quite a few hours of what pseudo spirituality is, what is real spirituality, what is true spirituality? Perhaps if we can go back to our original definition of true spirituality and if you can just have a think about what would be your definition of true spirituality? If everything we've talked about today was pseudo spirituality, what makes up true spirituality? What are the underlying principles? We won't discuss it now; it's just an idea for you to think about overnight if you're going to come tomorrow. What is real spirituality, what is true spirituality, in contrast to what we've actually talked about today? [01:18:18.14]

The reason why we're raising these issues with you is that if we're able to determine the difference between pseudo spirituality and true spirituality in our day-to-day life, if we're able to determine the attributes and qualities of pseudo spirituality, and if we're able to determine the attributes and qualities of true spirituality, can you see that in your day-to-day life, whatever is happening, you'll be able to see what event relates to which type of spirituality quite easily? And therefore you'll be able to see what stuff you would like to investigate more fully, or what stuff you can quite easily leave alone without having to investigate at all if you don't want to.

If we can see quite clearly that something is pseudo spiritual, something is fake spiritual, then what's the point of investigating it if we're trying to become more loving, truthful, honest, caring human beings. There's not much point in investigating that form of spirituality. I don't agree with condemning other people for following that form of spirituality, but I do feel that we need to have our logic and emotions in check when we're examining the truth about different things.

And so once we understand the underlying characteristics and nature of each form of spirituality we can compare a lot of things that happen in our life and work out what's what quite easily, without having to go down the track of spending years embracing it and then realising that something's not right here. In other words, years of embracing a process that ends up in stagnation. We don't need to do that. We can embrace a process and we can just measure it against the principles or the characteristics of either type of spirituality and say well this is obviously pseudo spirituality because this is the kind of thing that happens with pseudo spirituality, or this is obviously true spirituality.

If we have a third box which is; "I don't know which one it falls under" obviously anything that we come up against will fall into one of those three boxes.

Now my suggestion is if it comes obviously under the first box, pseudo spirituality, then what's the point in spending much time on it? Acknowledge its existence, work out why it's there if you wish. But there's no need to spend a huge amount of time developing yourself in that form of spirituality. If it's obviously in the second box, true spirituality, then why not engage it? It's going to benefit your life, you're going to become more loving, and you're going to become more truthful. It's going to help your life, why not engage it? And if it's in the third box, don't know, then investigate it at least. Don't just write it off, but investigate it. Allow yourself to be open enough to make a mistake as well.

If you can do that with your life with regard to these forms of spirituality, you'll find very rapidly that you'll be able to determine the truth of different things. And in the end, isn't that what we want, most of us? Most of us do want to know the truth. We want to know: what is the truth of the universe, and what is the truth of things? And the fastest way to find it out is to know the characteristics of truth, versus the characteristics of error. And that's the whole reason why we've done the discussion that we've done today.

14.1. Identifying the soul reasons that attract us to pseudo spirituality

Participant: Is it possible that because of the eleven points, I think there were, there were so many emotional reasons that pulled us to the spiritual path that if we haven't released some emotional shift that we'll still be in pseudo spirituality approaching it, masking it as true spirituality? The awareness is one thing but we do have to release the emotions that drove us to pseudo spirituality because they are still in our soul.

Exactly.

Mary: And otherwise we'll be tempted to engage with a true spiritual practice in a pseudo spiritual way.

In other words we'll be tempted to go, "I know that I need to be more loving, so what I'll try to do is, I'll try to be more loving". Now love comes from your heart, you can't try to be more loving. You either are more loving or you aren't more loving. If you're not, there's something in your heart that's forcing you to not be, and you need to remove it from yourself before you will be.

This is where we need to start understanding our soul better. What psychologists often call the unconscious mind, I would actually classify as the soul. Often it's our soul that guides our actions and behaviour without us even being aware intellectually of what we're doing. We feel drawn to do certain things without knowing why and without understanding why and we do them over and over again without even contemplating often times.

What we need to do instead is we need to become actually more loving, because if we become actually more loving, then the people around us have a chance to act more loving, actually. If they haven't got a model, then how can anybody become more loving? It's very, very difficult. So my suggestion is be a model of what it's like to be more loving but become more loving in a manner that's not driven by your mind, but actually comes from your heart, that comes from your feelings. Then you'll be in a place where you'll be practicing true spirituality no matter what you hear; whether you hear error or truth it doesn't really matter anymore. [01:24:25.14]

Participant: And also when we start getting clear logically about what is true and what is pseudo and we act ethically with our clarity of logical truth, it can also break co-dependent relationships and addictions with spirits enabling the causal emotions easier access?

Yes very much so. For example, if I decide inside of myself that I'm not going to engage ethically in co-dependent relationships any more, and I'm going to notice when I've got an addiction that I want met by the other person, and instead of trying to get the addiction met I'm going to try to feel why I want the addiction met instead, then I have a higher likely hood of being truthfully spiritual. If I do the opposite, if I engage the addiction, no matter what form of spirituality I say I'm practicing, I'm probably going to be quite pseudo spiritual, quite fake in my spirituality, because my heart is not involved, my addictions are instead. That is what is the underlying reason why we have pseudo spiritual practices on the planet - because we want our addictions met.

15. Audience questions

Participant: I've got a two part question. The first is out of curiosity whether you see good spirits or bad spirits in this room today. And the second part of the question is if God is the creator of everything and is more loving than the most loving person on the planet, why do those evil spirits even exist? Why not just go?

Yep. Good questions, both of them.

15.1. Spirit presence in the audience

Firstly yes there are both forms of spirits here present today. There are spirits who have a positive benevolent influence upon all of the members of the audience, and also there are a group of spirits here that are benevolent that are trying to help the other spirits as well. So there are very large groups of spirits here trying to do that. There is a second group of spirits who are the more malevolent spirits. It's very interesting today though because many of them have been malevolent but are listening to this discussion with an openness that they haven't had before. We've had many groups where we've had malevolent spirits come and instead of listening, they are very attacking and they try to disrupt the conversation. We haven't had many of those spirits here today, which is a great sign in the sense that it means many of them are wanting to learn rather than to attack.

15.2. God allows evil spirit influence as part of the gift of free will

In terms of why it happens is quite simple. If I can just explain why it happens. And the same question applies to why there be good people on Earth and why some people don't seem to be very good. It's exactly the same question with exactly the same answer. We all have the gift of will. We can use it in a loving direction, which will result in happy emotions or we can use it in an unloving direction, which will result in painful emotions.

15.3. Using our will in harmony with love creates happiness, but using it out of harmony with love creates unhappiness

Every single person in the spirit world who's in an unhappy place or an angry place or what we would call a malevolent place wants to attack. Every single person on Earth, who is in the same place, has at some stage in their past life, up till the present, used their will in an unloving direction which is causing them to feel a great deal of internal pain. People who's a much happier person in terms of a loving person, a happier person in the spirit world in particular, has used their will in a loving direction, and therefore it results in a happier place. It's quite that simple, as are all truths. All truths are very, very simple.

So, what I get from that myself is, if I use my will, the gift that God's given me, this beautiful gift actually, that causes me to be a free sentient being, able to make choices, in a positive direction, the result for me and anybody around me is always going to be more happier than what it would have previously been. And because I'm a work in progress, it can be a slowly increasing ramp of happiness.

If I use my will in a direction that is unloving in its underlying premise, in other words I want to control, manipulate, demand, I want to push people around, get what I want, be selfish, all of those kind of unloving desires and emotions, in the end, sooner or later, I will arrive in a painful place, which will have a lot of painful emotions associated with it. Some of them will be anger, some of it will be grief, some of it will be terror and fear, and it's all because of my choices that I've personally made.

If I understand the power of my own will to create either a happy life or a painful life, then I will be a lot more circumspect about the decisions that I make in my life. And that is the secret, I feel, to part of true spirituality. True spirituality tells you the truth about what happens with your life in a very simple direct manner. If I choose loving actions, if I choose loving feelings, and if I choose to release from myself any unloving ones, I will as a result have a happier life and the people around me will have a happier life as a result. If I choose the opposite then the opposite result is definitely going to come. In the first century I called that, "you reap what you sow".

15.4. Using our will to alleviate pain and suffering

Mary: And AJ just for the benefit of those spirits that are here who have obviously used their will in an unloving way in the past, what's keeping them here, in this sense of denial or wanting to be attached to people is their avoidance of that truth, isn't it? So they actually have the opportunity now to use their will in a more loving way and confront that pain.

Yeah, but it's not just their avoidance of that truth. So let's say they have chosen an unloving and painful direction in the past, it's not just the avoidance of the truth, it's the avoidance of the painful emotions that result from that truth. So for the majority of us, what we do is we do some things in our lives that we're not that happy about, and we don't feel that good about, but we try to turn off our mind from thinking about them. We don't actually, what I would classify as "repent" from them or change from them; we don't actually feel a change in us where we feel sorry that we've done those particular things enough to change our life. [01:31:35.29]

For all of the spirits who are in a painful location and any person on Earth who is in a painful location too, what we need to do is allow ourselves to feel our emotions about our painful situation without acting upon our emotions in the painful situation. So in other words, if I feel anger, I feel the anger but I don't project that anger onto others. If I feel fear, then I feel my own fear without trying to get other people to share my fear. And if I have grief I cry, rather than wanting everybody else to cry with me, I cry because of my own feelings. If I do that I can get through every unloving painful event I've ever created and I can actually become a loving happy individual. You can transform your life through that process. That's all we need to do.

So we can choose at any moment in time to use our will to change our direction in our life and that's the beautiful gift God's also given us, this ability to change the direction of our life at any point if our life. If a person's in an unloving painful condition, they just need to understand that their will has been exercised up till now in a painful direction, out of harmony with love, so all they need to do is choose something different, choose a different process, choose a different path. You will reap what you sow though. If you're a farmer and you planted wheat, you wouldn't be sitting there waiting for the corn to grow, would you? Because wheat is what's going to come. If you point your will in an unloving direction, you can't then expect to have a heap of loving things happen to your life because that's just not going to happen the way God's created the universe. It will be unloving things that happen to our life.

Now it has to change, the thing is it can't change here, in our minds; it has to change here, in our heart. Remember pseudo spirituality causes us to think we can change intellectually without changing our heart. True spirituality will cause us to believe that we have to change the heart, we have to change our motivations, and we have to change our feelings and our emotions before we are actually going to change anything. Everything we attract is based around what's in our heart, not what's in our head. So we need to understand that and it's what's in our heart that needs to change.

So we need to change what we sow, beginning with our heart, our own heart has to change. Once we do that then we'll find ourselves having a happier life but it will be a progressive place. It can't be instantaneous because we have done things in the past often that are out of harmony with love, so we're going to have to work our way through those, and slowly progress to the place where we're more loving and happier as result.

Mary: And even though it might seem difficult to understand that there's these negative influences around us here on Earth and where's the justice in that, it's actually a provision of God's Love that he's allowing, even after we pass, the opportunity to change and grow and He hasn't reduced our will in any way. Although there are more restrictions he places on us once we pass in terms of where we can go. [01:34:55.15]

And more restrictions that we've placed on ourselves, to be honest.

Mary: Yes, it's more relating to the choices we've used with our will while we're on Earth, but we're still granted that opportunity to use our will in harmony with love or in disharmony with love.

16. Closing Words

What we'd like to recommend today is to just have a think about the chat that we've had today and tomorrow if you could think about what you believe would be the signs of true spirituality. What are the characteristics and attributes that you would expect if you were thinking that something would be true? And have a think about that and if we can engage that in the discussion tomorrow for those of you who come, that would be wonderful.

Thanks for your time today guys and we look forward to catching those of you who want to come tomorrow, here tomorrow again.

Mary: Yeah thank you.

(Applause)

Appendix: The Human Soul – True Spirituality Seminar Outline

###  Introduction

Discussions & Meetings With People

Mary and I get to travel the world to discuss spiritual matters with groups and individuals

True Spirituality supports the improvement of the soul's condition

Many claim they are spiritual, but their life demonstrates the lack of True Spirituality

Alternate Title

Embrace Spirituality That Makes Sense

### What is True-Spirituality?

True Spirituality

Is any form of spiritual development that changes the heart condition of the individual and causes us to develop more in love, truth and humility, and allows us to receive Divine Love from God, which transforms the soul without limit

True Spirituality changes the core emotional self, and all actions that result from that change are natural and do not need to be forced or created by facade

### True Spirituality vs Pseudo Spirituality

Attributes of True Spirituality

Simple, easy to understand

Logical, everything makes sense

Grounded, relevant in day-to-day life

Real, without facade

Raw, unedited

Confronts fears & grief

Meaningful, always causes change

Truly emotional

Grounded in real feelings

Powerful, always forces decisions

Soul condition grows irreversibly

Unifying, draws all to itself

Appeals to the hearts of all, but few embrace

Appeals to truth in all circumstances

Humble, requires passion for true self

Down to earth, forces the soul into reality

Promotes equality in relationships

God-reliant, accepts & trusts God's Laws

God glorifying, creates awareness of God

Challenges addictions

Satisfies the soul

Loving, brings love to all souls

We feel good through Love, Truth & Humility

Freely available without monetary demand

Promotes God and God's Truths

Has substance rather than just words

Promotes love from the heart that never fails, that is courageous, strong

Promotes truth in all circumstances and situations, that satisfies the soul's desire

Promotes humility, and prevents pride and arrogance from ever developing

Attributes of Pseudo Spirituality

Complex, requires intellectual concentration

Illogical, little makes sense

Mystical & mysterious, flaky & irrelevant

Fake, promotes & loves facade

Embellished, frilly, polished & marketed

Panders to fear & grief

Shallow, no-one has to change

Intellectual, condemns feeling

Emotionally histrionic, enjoys fake expression

Weak, light & airy, promotes indecision

Metaphysical, no soul condition improvement

Exclusive, creates groups & cliques

Appeals to the hearts of few, but many follow

Appeals to error, injury & addictions

Arrogant, denies true self & true condition

Self-righteous, inflates the soul into denial

Promotes hierarchy in relationships

Self-reliant, we become a law unto ourselves

Self-glorifying, promotes self interest

Promotes addictions

Gratifies the animal

Hurtful, "loves" only a few

We feel good through spirit attachment

Requires payment for all services

Promotes self & ownership of knowledge

Uses the words without substance

### Being Honest With Self

To know whether we are involved in True Spirituality, we need to truthfully examine the effects of the spirituality in our personal lives, and if the entire world embraced the form of spirituality, whether the entire world would benefit, or rather, degrade in its condition.

### True Spirituality Promotes Free Will & Removes Spirit Influence

Attributes of True Spirituality

Requires our real self involvement

Requires & causes true soul development

Exposes addictions to "fake" conditions, such as conditions assisted by spirits, conditions assisted by addictive emotional states, conditions of complete over-cloaking by spirit entities

Helps us confront our emotional, sexual, and physical addictions, such as our addiction to power, control, glory, attention, approval, purpose, specialness, knowledgeableness etc

Removes dependency on external spiritual influences to feel good, or whole

Exposes the bribery, threats, and blackmails that spirits use to keep us under their control and meet their desires and addictions. Exposes co-dependent relationships with spirit entities.

Promotes connection to God directly without interference or intermediaries

Attributes of Pseudo Spirituality

Promotes our facade & fake involvement, and requires little knowledge of our real self

Promotes fake development of the physical or meta-physical, while generally ignoring the real soul condition

Hides or promotes addictions to "fake" conditions, either hides external spirit entity involvement or loves and champions the metaphysical experience above the soul development in humility, truth and love

Helps us hide or live in our emotional, sexual, and spiritual addictions. Addicted to using spirits to make the individual feel good, powerful, special, sexual, whole, in control

Promotes dependency on external spiritual influences & desires spirits to provide energy & experiences for the purpose of comfort & reassurance, to feel good or whole

Helps us live in and avoid threats and blackmails by spirit entities, by encouraging the enjoyment of the co-dependent relationship with those spirit entities

Promotes the interference of our relationship with God through having closer relationships with spirit entities and intermediaries

### True Spirituality Heals Sexual Addictions

Attributes of True Spirituality

Looks for reasons and beliefs to expose the sexual addiction

Eg. We want to confront our sexual shame, and feel it, so that we no longer feel sexual suppression, and we choose a form of spirituality that exposes sexual suppression.

Eg. When want to confront our sexual addictions, we refuse to live in the sexual addictions and portraying ourselves to real, rather than a fake "holy and pure" facade

Looks for reasons and beliefs to help us expose our sexual addiction. Does not assist us to live in our sexual addictions.

Eg. We do not use belief systems to promote sexually overt immoral unloving behaviour, and we choose a form of spirituality that is the vehicle that exposes sexual addiction without judgement

Demonstrates a desire to replace sexual injuries with pure sexual expression in harmony with God's original intentions

Eg. We are constantly looking towards God's original intention in Her design of our body and soul when it comes to sexual expression, rather than using our beliefs to justify sexual expression that is harmful or unloving to ourselves or others

### The World's Aversion To True Spirituality

True Spirituality Requires:

Requires humility and self-honesty

Requires connection to emotion and feelings

Requires love from the heart, not just from the mind, or from a facade

Requires courage to go against the general attitude of the world as it currently is

Requires confrontation of unhealed emotional conditions within the soul

Requires confrontation of fear

Requires our acceptance of God's Truth rather than our own

True Spirituality Satisfies:

The soul's deepest and fundamental emotional desires and longings

The mind's desire for logic, intellectual and philosophical simplicity

The desire for a relationship with God (because a true relationship with God is obtained)

The desire for a relationship with oneself (because we recognize and love our true self)

The desire for a relationship with our soulmate (because she/he is the other half of ourselves)

Every part of our life including our physical body, spiritual body, soul, relationships environment, and happiness all benefit and grow

### Conclusion

If we are going to be truly spiritual:

We must grow in humility, love and truth

Our heart must change, rather than just changing our actions with our mind or intellect

Our feelings and emotions must change, rather than just forcing our actions

Our actions will change and become completely natural rather than forced or façade based

We will be able to receive Divine Love from God

Remember

True Spirituality is any form of spiritual development that changes the heart condition of the individual and causes them to develop more in love, truth and humility, and allows them to receive Divine Love from God, which transforms the soul without limit

