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THIS IS ONE ON ONE
WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD THAT THEY
WERE DOING CHARLIE ROSE AND
GAYLE KING, DIDN'T YOU GO
"WHAT?"
PEOPLE LIKE LAUGHING AT OTHERS
SO I DON'T MIND IF THE OTHER IS
ME
YOU SEE? YOU GO RIGHT INTO THE
CHARACTER. THAT'S WHAT IT IS
I'M BRINGING FAMILIES TOGETHER
A HALF AN HOUR EACH WEEK
I MEAN I'M DOING SOMETHING
SPECIAL
AND SO I DO FEEL SUCCESSFUL
[MUSIC PLAYING]
[MUSIC PLAYING]
>>HI I'M STEVE ADUBATO
AT THE TISCH WNET STUDIO HERE
IN THE HEART OF LINCOLN CENTER
ONE OF MY FAVORITE ALL TIME
AUTHORS WE HAVE IN THE HOUSE
BACK AGAIN
JAMES KAPLAN
THE AUTHOR OF
SINATRA: THE CHAIRMAN
BOY, I'LL TELL YOU, THIS IS
A GREAT BOOK. AND
>>THANK YOU STEVE
>>SINATRA: THE VOICE, LAST TIME
AROUND
>>FRANK: THE VOICE
SINATRA: THE CHAIRMAN
>>YEAH. SO, LET ME ASK YOU
WHAT MAKES THIS ONE DIFFERENT?
IT STARTS IN 1954?
>>YES
>>HE'S JUST WON THE ACADEMY
AWARD FOR?
>>HE'S JUST WON THE ACADEMY
AWARD FOR "FROM HERE TO
ETERNITY"
>>HE PLAYS...?
>>PRIVATE MAGGIO
>>...MAGGIO
>>YES
>>TELL EVERYONE WHY MAGGIO
THAT CHARACTER IS SO
SIGNIFICANT, SINATRA BELIEVED
HE WAS MAGGIO
>>SINATRA BELIEVED HE WAS
MAGGIO. MAGGIO WAS, HE WAS FROM
BROOKLYN, NOT HOBOKEN, BUT HE
WAS A SKINNY, SMALL, ITALIAN
AMERICAN WHO WAS DOWNTRODDEN
EVERYBODY WALKED ALL OVER HIM
AND IN A LOT OF WAYS
ESPECIALLY AFTER WORLD WAR II
WHEN HIS CAREER WENT DOWN THE
TUBES, SINATRA FELT VERY
DOWNTRODDEN. SO, THE ROLE WAS
NATURAL FOR HIM
>>HOW DOES WINNING THE
ACADEMY AWARD FOR FROM HERE TO
ETERNITY, MAGGIO
>>YES
>>CHANGE FRANK SINATRA'S
PROFESSIONAL LIFE?
>>IT CHANGES EVERYTHING
BECAUSE BEFORE THAT, HE WAS
SEEN AS A LOSER IN HOLLYWOOD
WHOSE CAREER WAS OVER. HE HAD
A FRIEND, A LITERARY AGENT
NAMED SWIFTY LAZAR, AND SWIFTY
LAZAR SAID, "HE'S A DEAD MAN"
SWIFTY LAZAR SAID, "EVEN JESUS
COULDN'T GET RESURRECTED IN
THIS TOWN." WELL, SINATRA
COULD, AND HE DID. FROM THE
NIGHT HE WON THAT OSCAR, HIS
CAREER STARTED GOING STRAIGHT
BACK UPHILL INSTEAD OF DOWNHILL
>>WHAT KIND OF THINGS HAPPENED
FOR HIM?
>>A BIG DEAL WAS THAT HE
HAD STARTED, EVEN HIS RECORD
COMPANY, COLUMBIA, DROPPED HIM
DURING HIS BAD YEARS
>>RIGHT
>>BUT HE WAS PICKED UP BY
A NEW COMPANY, CAPITOL RECORDS
>>COLUMBIA TO CAPITOL?
>>COLUMBIA TO CAPITOL, AND HE
WAS INTRODUCED TO A GREAT
ARRANGER, A YOUNG ARRANGER
HE HAD NEVER HEARD OF
>>IS THAT NELSON RIDDLE?
>>THAT IS NELSON RIDDLE
AND HE STARTED MAKING THESE
INCREDIBLE ALBUMS WITH NELSON
RIDDLE. AND BETWEEN THE MOVIE
CAREER REBORN, AND THESE
INCREDIBLE CAPITOL ALBUMS
WITH NELSON RIDDLE, IT WAS A
CAREER THAT SHOT UP LIKE A
ROCKET IN THE 50'S
>>HELP ME ON THIS. THE NIGHT
THAT SINATRA WINS THE ACADEMY
AWARD, DOES HE GO HOME ALONE?
>>YES
>>HE GOES HOME ALONE?
>>HE GOES HOME ALONE
HE GOES HOME ALONE. HE HAD
BEEN, DON'T FORGET, AT THIS
POINT, THIS IS 1954, HE HAS
LEFT HIS, THE MOTHER OF HIS
CHILDREN, AND HIS CHILDREN
HE HAD GONE TO BIG NANCY'S
HOUSE BEFORE THE ACADEMY AWARDS
>>BIG NANCY HIS WIFE?
>>BIG NANCY IS HIS WIFE
>>IS EVA GARDNER IN SPAIN?
>>EVA GARDNER IS OVERSEAS
SHE HAS TAKEN UP WITH A
BULLFIGHTER IN SPAIN
>>THAT IS THAT BULLFIGHTER
IN SPAIN?
>>THAT IS THAT BULLFIGHTER
IN SPAIN
>>OKAY
>>SO FRANK HAS NO WIFE, HE
STOPPED BY TO SEE HIS EX-WIFE
BUT HE CAN'T GO BACK TO HER
>>YEAH
>>HOUSE AFTER HE WINS THE OSCAR
>>RIGHT
>>HE'S ALONE, HE'S WALKING
AROUND BEVERLY HILLS HOLDING
ON TO THE STATUETTE. HE SITS
DOWN ON THE STEPS OF A CHURCH
AND HE JUST HAS TO THINK, HIS
>>YEAH
>>LIFE HAS CHANGED, BUT HE'S
GOT NOBODY TO TELL IT TO
>>THE BOOK ALSO COVERS POLITICS
>>YES
>>SINATRA AND THE KENNEDYS. GO
>>SINATRA MET JACK KENNEDY
AT A DEMOCRATIC FUNDRAISER
IN L.A. IN 1955, AND THESE WERE
TWO GUYS WHO INSTANTLY
FELL IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER
JACK KENNEDY LOVED WOMEN
HE LOVED BEAUTIFUL WOMEN
HE WAS A MARRIED MAN
BUT THAT DIDN'T MEAN MUCH TO
HIM, AND IN THOSE DAYS
POLITICIANS, ESPECIALLY
ATTRACTIVE CHARISMATIC
POLITICIANS, WE'RE ALLOWED TO
DO WHAT THEY WANTED WITHOUT
BEING OUTED BY THE PRESS
HE LOVED BEAUTIFUL WOMEN
SINATRA WAS THE A NUMBER ONE
WORLD SOURCE OF BEAUTIFUL WOMEN
AND HE WAS KNOCKED OUT BY
SINATRA'S STARDOM, BY HIS
SINGING. SINATRA WAS AN FDR
LIBERAL, DIED IN THE WOOL
DEMOCRAT, HE SAW THIS
INCREDIBLY CHARISMATIC YOUNG
POLITICIAN AND THOUGHT
"THIS GUY'S GONNA BE PRESIDENT"
AND SO, AND SINATRA WAS ALWAYS
ATTRACTED TO POWER. AND KENNEDY
HAD IT IN SPADES. SO THE TWO
WERE MADE FOR EACH OTHER
>>KENNEDY, THE KENNEDY WHO
SHAFTS SINATRA?
>>WELL, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS
>>IN SINATRA'S MIND
>>IN SINA... WELL, IT WAS A
SHAFTING, AND IT WAS A PUBLIC
HUMILIATION. IN MARCH OF 1962
JACK KENNEDY WAS GOING WEST
HE WAS GONNA DO... SPEND SOME
R AND R TIME AT SINATRA'S PALM
SPRINGS HOUSE. AND THERE WAS
PROBABLY GONNA BE A LITTLE
BIT OF NAUGHTINESS THAT WOULD
GO ON THERE. HIS BROTHER
JACK KENNEDY'S BROTHER, BOB
KENNEDY, WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL
OF THE UNITED STATES. AND
BOBBY KENNEDY HAD JUST BEEN
INFORMED BY J. EDGAR HOOVER
THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES HAD A LADY FRIEND
A WOMAN NAMED JUDITH CAMPBELL
>>WHO HAD THE RELATIONSHIP WITH
SAM GIANCANA
>>WHO HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE HEAD OF THE CHICAGO MOB
>>SAM G...
>>SAM GIANCANA
>>YEAH
>>AT THE SAME TIME SHE WAS
HAVING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH
JACK KENNEDY. JUDITH CAMPBELL
HAD BEEN INTRODUCED TO JACK
KENNEDY BY FRANK SINATRA
AND BOBBY KENNEDY SAID TO HIS
BROTHER, "YOU MAY NOT STAY
AT HIS HOUSE"
>>IS THAT HOW HE WINDS UP...
KENNEDY WINDS UP STAYING AT
BING CROSBY'S HOUSE?
>>STAYED AT BING CROSBY'S
HOUSE INSTEAD, AND THAT WAS A
HUGE PUBLIC HUMILIATION
FOR SINATRA. SINATRA TOOK IT
ALL OUT, NEVER GOT MAD AT
JACK KENNEDY, HE TOOK IT ALL
OUT ON BOBBY KENNEDY
>>YEAH
>>AND ON PETER LAWFORD
>>PETER LAWFORD, WHO WAS A
>>WHO WAS MARRIED...
>>AN IN-LAW TO THE KENNEDY
FAMILY
>>YEAH MARRIED TO JACK'S SISTER
>>THE DEAN MARTIN THING
A BIG THEME IN THE BOOK?
>>BIG THEME IN THE BOOK
>>CLOSE, BUT NOT CLOSE
>>CLOSE BUT NOT CLOSE
THAT'S CORRECT
>>I DON'T GET IT
>>YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
PSYCHOLOGY OF DEAN MARTIN
HE WAS A STRANGE CAT
HE WAS A GUY WHO WAS
HE WAS SO GIFTED, HE WAS
INCREDIBLY HANDSOME. HE WAS
EVERYTHING THAT SINATRA
WANTED TO BE. HE WAS BIG
TALL, STRONG, HANDSOME...
>>HE COULD HAVE BEEN A BOXER IN
CLEVELAND?
>>COULD HAVE BEEN A BOXER
EXCEPT...
>>AND HE WAS TIED TO THE MOB
HE HAD MOB FRIENDS IN CLEVELAND
>>WELL, I MEAN YES, HE DID
AND THEY HELPED HIM A LITTLE
BIT. BUT DEAN COULD SING
HE COULD SING WONDERFULLY
>>YES
>>ALTHOUGH HE ALWAYS MADE FUN
OF HIS OWN SINGING. AND THE
MOST VALUABLE GIFT THAT
DEAN MARTIN HAD WAS, HE HAD AN
INCREDIBLE SENSE OF HUMOR
>>YES
>>INCREDIBLE SENSE OF...
>>QUICK TIMING
>>LIGHTNING TIMING. AND SINATRA
IDOLIZED DEAN MARTIN, AND DEAN
MARTIN ALWAYS KEPT HIMSELF
AT A DISTANCE FROM EVERYBODY
EVEN FROM FRANK
>>HE ALSO PULLED AWAY AT TIMES
WHEN HE DIDN'T WANT TO PARTY
ANYMORE
>>YES
>>AS I READ IN THE BOOK
YOU KNOW, I RECENTLY SAW TONY
BENNETT, MY WIFE AND I
WENT TO SEE TONY BENNETT
AT THE NEW JERSEY PERFORMING
ARTS CENTER, 89 YEARS YOUNG
>>HMM
>>AND THE WAY HE'S INTRODUCED
IS, AND YOU KNOW THIS
HE'S INTRODUCED WITH A VOICE
TRACK FROM SINATRA SAYING
"I WANT TO INTRODUCE THIS YOUNG
KID"
>>YES. YES
>>GUY'S GOT THE GREATEST VOICE
OUT THERE TODAY
>>YES. YES
>>TONY BENNETT
>>TONY BENNETT
>>GO AHEAD
>>AMAZING SINGER. BIG
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SINATRA AND
TONY BENNETT. TONY BENNETT
BROUGHT TO HIS SINGING
A QUALITY OF JOY. YOU HEAR
JOY IN HEARING TONY BENNETT
SING. SINATRA NEVER BROUGHT JOY
TO HIS SINGING. SINATRA WAS
LIKE A WALKING OPERA
EVERYTHING WAS DRAMATIC
>>TRAGIC?
>>YOU... TRAGIC TO A GREAT
DEGREE, ALTHOUGH WHEN HE'S
SINGING SONGS LIKE "YOU MAKE
ME FEEL SO YOUNG" "I GOT THE
WORLD ON A STRING" "FLY ME TO
THE MOON" YOU HEAR A GREAT DEAL
OF BUOYANCY, AND POSITIVE
ENERGY, BUT NOT JOY. JOY WAS
NOT SOMETHING IN SINATRA'S
WHEELHOUSE
>>HMM. I NEED TO ASK YOU THIS
BY THE WAY, THE BOOK
>>PLEASE
>>IS CALLED THE CHAIRMAN
>>YES
>>SINATRA
>>ASK ME ANYTHING [LAUGHTER]
>>THE CHAIRMAN. HERE IS MY
QUESTION. SINATRA'S 100TH
BIRTHDAY
>>YES
>>RIGHT? WE CELEBRATE IT
>>DECEMBER 12TH
>>100 YEARS FROM NOW, JAMES
>>YES
>>KAPLAN, WILL WE STILL BE
TALKING ABOUT FRANK SINATRA?
>>ABSOLUTELY
>>BECAUSE?
>>WE WILL... BECAUSE OF THAT
VOICE. PEOPLE ARE FASCINATED
WITH SINATRA TODAY, AND EVEN
YOUNG PEOPLE ARE FASCINATED
WITH HIM, BECAUSE OF A
COMBINATION OF THE MYSTIQUE
AND THE VOICE, THAT RAT PACK
SWAGGER, RIGHT? AND THE VOICE
BUT MY CONTENTION IS THAT IF
YOU HAD THE MYSTIQUE WITHOUT
THE VOICE, THAT WOULD FADE AWAY
OVER TIME. IF SOMETIME IN THE
FUTURE, 100 YEARS FROM NOW
500 YEARS FROM NOW, 1,000 YEARS
FROM NOW, SOME SURVIVORS
HAPPEN TO FIND A SINATRA CD
AND STUCK IT IN THE ANTIQUE
PLAYER OF THE CD AND HEARD THAT
VOICE, AND HAD NO IDEA ABOUT
THE RAT PACK OR ANYTHING
THEY HEARD THAT AMAZING VOICE
A VOICE LIKE NO OTHER
THEY WOULD KNOW IT WAS
AN INCREDIBLE VOICE. SO 100
YEARS FROM NOW, EASY. WITHOUT
BREAKING A SWEAT
>>JAMES KAPLAN, ONE OF MY
FAVORITE AUTHORS. AND YOU WILL
LOVE HIM AFTER THIS
SINATRA: THE CHAIRMAN
JAMES KAPLAN. FRANK: THE VOICE
BEFORE THIS. GREAT STUFF
>>STEVE THANK YOU SO MUCH
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>>SINATRA MEANS WHAT TO YOU?
>>WELL, YOU KNOW, HE'S ONE OF
THE ULTIMATE INTERPRETERS
HE WAS AN ICON FOR SO MANY
REASONS, NOT ONLY BECAUSE
OF THE WAY HE HANDLED THE
LYRIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, HIS
INCREDIBLE VOCAL CONTROL
AND HIS SWINGING, I MEAN HE WAS
THE SWINGINGEST SINGER
>>TELL FOLKS WHAT THAT MEANS
WHO MAY NOT APPRECIATE IT
>>WELL, YOU KNOW, HIS SENSE OF
TIME, HIS FEELING OF WHERE THE
BEAT WAS, THE WAY HE PHRASED
MELODIES, YOU KNOW, AND JUST
FELT RHYTHM WHEN HE SANG
THE WAY HE SANG WITH THE BAND
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SO
INCREDIBLY MUSICAL AND GROOVING
AND BEAUTIFUL AND GORGEOUS AND
I LEARNED SO MUCH FROM HIM
FROM LISTENING TO HIM
ABOUT HOW TO BE A BETTER SINGER
IN THAT REGARD
>>WE'RE PLEASED TO WELCOME
CHARLES GRANATA
SINATRA EXPERT, AUTHOR
PRODUCER AND HE'S THE PRODUCER
ON SIRIUS XM'S NANCY SINATRA
WEEKLY PROGRAM
"NANCY FOR FRANK"
WHICH I LISTEN TO EVERY WEEKEND
ALSO TIED TO THE SINATRA
>>WOW
>>AND AMERICAN ICON
TRAVELING SINATRA EXHIBIT
YEAH THAT'S RIGHT
EVERY WEEKEND I DO IT
>>THAT'S GREAT. THANKS
THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR
>>AND, OH I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE
A LOT OF PEOPLE DO
>>I KNOW I'M AMAZED AT
HOW MANY PEOPLE LOVE OUR SHOW
IT'S A GREAT THING.
>>YOU KNOW WHAT I'M CURIOUS
ABOUT? SINATRA JUST HAD THE
100TH BIRTHDAY?
>>RIGHT
>>RIGHT? 50 YEARS FROM NOW
STILL PLAYING FRANK SINATRA?
>>ABSOLUTELY
>>BECAUSE?
>>BECAUSE SINATRA BESPEAKS
QUALITY. IT'S QUALITY SONGS
IT'S QUALITY ORCHESTRATION
IT'S QUALITY VOCALIZING
THE WHOLE PACKAGE IS THERE
I MEAN, THESE SONGS THAT
SINATRA RECORDED IN HIS 60 PLUS
YEAR CAREER ARE REALLY WHAT THE
AMERICAN SONGBOOK IS ALL ABOUT
>>HMM
>>AND EVEN THOUGH OTHER PEOPLE
HAVE COME AND BEGUN TO CARRY
THE TORCH, I MEAN IT REALLY
STARTED WITH LINDA RONSTADT
IN THE EARLY 80'S DOING THESE
GREAT ALBUMS WITH NELSON RIDDLE
WHO WAS SINATRA'S GREATEST FOIL
IN THE 50'S AND 60'S, AS AN
ARRANGER. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT
CONTINUED. I MEAN, YOU KNOW
WE HAVE BOZ SCAGGS AND
NEIL DIAMOND AND BARRY MANILOW
AND OF COURSE NOW, ENTERTAINERS
LIKE MICHAEL BUBLE, AND HARRY
CONNICK WHO HAVE NOW PREDICATED
THEIR WHOLE CAREERS...
>>MICHAEL FEINSTEIN?
>>WELL MICHAEL FEINSTEIN'S IN A
DIFFERENT CLASS. I MEAN MICHAEL
IS REALLY HE IS THE
PRE-EMINENT...
>>HE IS, ISN'T HE?
>>...INTERPRETER, YEAH
ABSOLUTELY
>>BY THE WAY
NAME THE EXHIBIT AGAIN?
>>IT'S THE FRANK SINATRA EXH...
IT'S THE GRAMMY MUSEUM SINATRA
EXHIBIT IS REALLY WHAT IT IS
THE...
>>WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT RIGHT
NOW?
>>YEAH, WELL I MEAN HERE I CAN
SEE A GREAT PHOTOGRAPH OF
FRANK
>>IS THAT HIS BOWTIE?
>>THAT'S HIS BOWTIE
>>REALLY?
>>AND THERE'S A GREAT STORY
BEHIND THESE BOWTIES. SO IN THE
1940'S, FRANK SINATRA BECAME
KNOWN AS THIS ROMANTIC CROONER
>>YEAH
>>AND HE HAD THIS BEAUTIFUL
CROP OF HAIR, AND THESE BIG
FLOPPY BOWTIES. SO NOT ONLY WAS
FRANK AFFECTING MUSIC IN A HUGE
WAY, HE WAS THE FIRST TEEN IDOL
STARTS SINGING THESE GREAT
ROMANTIC BALLADS AND BECOMES
THIS POP CULTURE SENSATION
BUT HE AFFECTS DRESS AND STYLE
>>HMM
>>AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WAS HIS SIGNATURE WERE THESE
GREAT FLOPPY BOWTIES, WHICH HIS
WIFE NANCY, NANCY SINATRA
SENIOR ACTUALLY MADE FOR HIM
>>SHE DID?
>>SHE DID. SHE MADE HIS BOWTIES
IN THE 40'S, AND NANCY IS 98
YEARS OLD. SHE STILL HAS THE
>>WOW
>>PATTERN FOR THE ORIGINAL
>>[LAUGHTER] OH NO
>>BOWTIES, AND AS WE CAN SEE IN
THE EXHIBIT THE FAMILY HAS
GENEROUSLY LOANED ONE OF THE
ORIGINAL SINATRA FLOPPY BOWTIES
SO WHEN HE MADE THIS TRANSITION
FROM THE BOWTIE PHASE TO THE
ULTRASOPHISTICATED SWINGIN'
PHASE
>>HMM
>>IN THE EARLY 1950'S
EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM CHANGED
IT WASN'T JUST THAT HIS
VOICE HAD DEEPENED
AND THAT HE WAS SINGING THESE
GREAT UP TEMPO SONGS WITH
>>HMM
>>NELSON RIDDLE AND BILLY MAY
IT WAS ALSO THE STYLE OF DRESS
AND HE REALLY, I THINK,
AFFECTED FASHION FROM THE EARLY
50'S RIGHT THROUGH THE 60'S
WHICH MOST YOUNG PEOPLE NOW
WOULD CALL THEM "MADMEN ERA"
>>THAT'S RIGHT
>>BUT THAT WAS THE TIME WHEN
FRANK STARTED WEARING
THE TIE BAR, UNDERNEATH HIS TIE
UNDERNEATH HIS COLLAR, WHICH
WAS REALLY COOL. OR HE WOULD
LOOSEN HIS TIE, AND OPEN THE
TOP BUTTON, AND IT LOOKED JUST
WAY COOL, RIGHT?
>>ON SINATRA. IT LOOKED GOOD ON
HIM [LAUGHTER]
>>WELL...
>>NOT EVERYBODY ELSE BUT...
>>BUT I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD ON
A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND THE OTHER
THING IS HE STARTED WEARING
THE SNAP BRIM HAT. I MEAN, HE
STARTED WEARING IT BECAUSE HE
WAS LOSING HIS HAIR
>>RIGHT, WELL THE FEDORA, IS
THAT... WAS THAT WHAT...?
>>BUT THE FEDORA IS...
>>YEAH
>>YEAH, I MEAN, THERE YOU GO
>>THAT'S IN... THIS IS IN THE
EXHIBIT?
>>YEAH
>>YEAH
>>YEAH, THEY'RE JUST...
>>TALK ABOUT THE FEDORA
>>IT BECAME SYNONYMOUS WITH
SINATRA, AND THAT STYLE NOW
I MEAN FEDORAS HAD BEEN AROUND
FOR YEAR... FOR 30 YEARS
>>HMM
>>BUT ONCE FRANK STARTED TO
WEAR HIS HAT TILTED, AND WE
STARTED TO SEE PICTURES OF
SINATRA IN THE RECORDING STUDIO
AND ON THE FILM SET, AND OUT TO
DINNER
>>HMM
>>WITH HIS HOLLYWOOD PALS
OR WITH HIS FAMILY, YOU KNOW
WEARING THIS GREAT SNAP BRIM
HAT JUST TILTED A LITTLE BIT
EVERYBODY WANTED THAT LOOK
SO, YOU KNOW THE SNAP BRIM HAT
YOU KNOW, THE LOOSENED TIE
THAT VERY CAREFREE
JAUNTY, SOPHISTICATED IMAGE
MATCHED WHAT HE WAS DOING
MUSICALLY AND ARTISTICALLY
IT ALL KIND OF MELDED INTO THIS
POP CULTURE THING
>>WHAT... WHAT COVERED...
SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING CHARLES
WHAT COVER...? THE COVER OF
THE SINATRA CD...
I CALL IT THE CD NOW, HAS
SINATRA... IS IT THE COLUMBIA
YEARS? WHAT IS THE... YOU KNOW
YOU KNOW THE ONE I'M TALKING
ABOUT. IT IS...
>>IT'S FROM THE CAPITOL ERA
>>IT'S FROM THE CAPITOL ERA
I'M SORRY
>>RIGHT
>>THE CAPITOL ERA IT'S THAT
SHOT?
>>IT'S THAT SHOT, RIGHT
WELL "IN THE WEE SMALL HOURS OF
THE MORNING"
>>THAT'S IT
>>IS SUCH A GREAT ALBUM
AND SEE THAT'S THE VERY NEAT
THING, IS THAT FRANK NOT ONLY
EXPRESSED THESE FEELINGS
>>HMM
>>OF LOVE AND...
>>LOSS OF LOVE? [LAUGHTER]
>>LOSS OF LOVE. THE JUBILATION
AND THE JOY OF BEING IN LOVE
AND LOOKING FOR LOVE, AND THEN
THE SADNESS AND THE TRAGEDY OF
LOSING YOUR LOVE, BUT IT WASN'T
JUST THE MUSIC AND HIS VOICE
THAT COMMUNICATED THAT, IT WAS
THE VERY COVERAGE OF THE ALBUM
SO "IN THE WEE SMALL HOURS"
>>THAT'S RIGHT
>>YOU KNOW, HE'S LEANING
AGAINST A LAMPPOST
>>YES
>>LOOKING DOWN AND FORLORN
AND HE'S GOT THE HAT IS TILTED
DOWN. ON "SWING EASY" AND
"SONGS FOR SWINGING LOVERS"
WHICH ARE THESE UP TEMPO ALBUMS
YOU KNOW, HE'S LOOKING HAPPY
LOOKING AT YOUNG LOVERS, AND
HE'S GOT THE HAT ON, AND SEE
THESE ARE JUST ICONIC PHOTOS
OF AN AMERICAN TREASURE
>>YEAH
>>AN AMERICAN CLASSIC, I MEAN
THAT WAS THE SINATRA THAT WE
REMEMBER
>>YOU KNOW, MY MOM WAS ALWAYS
OBSESSED WITH AVA GARDNER
>>HMM
>>SHE WOULD TALK ABOUT
AVA GARDNER ALL THE TIME
AND THE RELATIONSHIP THAT
FRANK SINATRA HAD WITH
AVA GARDNER AND THE HBO
DOCUMENTARY, THE TWO-NIGHTER
>>RIGHT
>>WHICH I KNOW YOU WERE SITTING
THERE WATCHING AS IT WAS
HAPPENING
>>ABSOLUTELY
>>AS WERE MILLIONS OF OTHERS
DID SHE HAVE HIS NUMBER?
>>YOU KNOW, A VERY INTERESTING
RELATIONSHIP. WITHOUT KNOWING
AVA, YOU KNOW, EVER GETTING TO
MEET HER. I THINK THEY WERE
VERY MUCH ALIKE. VERY MERCURIAL
PERSONALITIES AND TEMPERS
I THINK THEY LOVED EACH OTHER
BUT THEY COULDN'T BE TOGETHER
BECAUSE THEY WERE SO MUCH ALIKE
I THINK...
>>HE MADE HER... SHE MADE HIM
CRAZY THOUGH?
>>SHE DID... SHE DID...
>>I MEAN DO CRAZY THINGS?
>>YES. I MEAN, THE...
>>REALLY CRAZY THINGS?
>>WELL, THAT'S TRUE
AND THERE IS A HOME CALLED
"TWIN PALMS" IN PALM SPRINGS
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>WHICH IS STILL THERE
>>YEAH
>>AND STILL HAS THE ORIGINAL
BATHROOM SINK WHERE IN 1951
FRANK CRACKED A BOTTLE OVER
THE SINK AFTER A FIGHT WITH AVA
AND THE CRACK IN THE SINK IS
STILL THERE, IN THAT BATHROOM
IN THAT HOUSE IN PALM SPRINGS
IT'S PRETTY AMAZING
>>FAMOUS FIGHTS
>>YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK
"TEMPESTUOUS" WOULD BE A GREAT
WORD TO DESCRIBE THE
SINATRA-GARDNER RELATIONSHIP
>>YOU'VE CALLED SINATRA
THE FIRST MULTIMEDIA TALENT?
>>YEAH. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE
FACT THAT SINATRA HAD THIS
PHENOMENAL SUCCESS WAS DUE TO
THE FACT THAT HE CAME ALONG AT
THE RIGHT MOMENT. SO, HE HAD
THIS PHENOMENAL TALENT, HE HAD
A BRILLIANT VOICE, WHICH HE
LEARNED TO HONE TO PERFECTION
AND HE ALSO ARRIVED
AT A MOMENT WHEN WE HAD A
CONFLUENCE OF RADIO
AND RECORDS, AND FILM AND
TELEVISION, AND THEN, AS HE
STARTED TO GET OLDER, OF COURSE
HE ALWAYS DID NIGHT CLUB AND
STAGE PERFORMANCES, BUT
YOU KNOW, AS HE BECAME THE
ELDER STATESMAN OF POP MUSIC
WE HAD THE CONCERT ARENA ERA
WHERE PEOPLE WOULD SELL OUT OF
>>HMM
>>MADISON SQUARE GARDEN
AND FRANK SINATRA SUCCEEDED IN
ALL OF THOSE MEDIUMS. AND THAT
REALLY, TO ME, IS A BIG THING
>>THAT'S WHY I LOVE MY JOB
IS GETTING TO TALK TO
PEOPLE LIKE YOU THANK YOU
>>THANKS STEVE, LOVE YOU MAN
>>THAT WAS GREAT
>>THANKS... THAT'S GREAT...
>>IT'S THE 100TH ANNIVERSARY
OF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
FRANK SINATRA'S BIRTHDAY
AND BUCKY ACTUALLY, DID YOU
YOU ACTUALLY WORKED WITH
SINATRA. DESCRIBE WHAT HE WAS
REALLY LIKE. FRANK SINATRA
>>HE WAS THE CHAMP
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IF HE WAS
HE WAS LIKE THE BING CROSBY
OF THE WORLD [LAUGHTER]
FRANK SINATRA
>>WHAT WAS HIS PERSONALITY LIKE
BUCKY?
>>GREAT GREAT, YOU KNOW, HE HAD
HIS UPS AND DOWNS, BUT
WE ALWAYS HAD A LOT OF GOOD FUN
WITH HIM
>>WAS HE...?
>>I PLAYED THE WHITE HOUSE WITH
HIM
>>WAS HE A GREAT, NOT JUST
PERFORMER AND SINGER, DID HE
KNOW MUSIC WELL?
>>HE KNEW IT VERY WELL, HE
FELT IT. HE FELT IT
HE KNEW WHEN IT WAS RIGHT
>>AND I GOTTA ASK YOU
WAS HE A TRUE JERSEY GUY?
>>YEAH. YEAH, HOBOKEN
RIGHT? [LAUGHTER]
[MUSIC PLAYING]
[MUSIC PLAYING]
>>I HOPE I NEVER WAKE UP
IF YOU ARE BUT A DREAM
>>HI, STEVE ADUBATO HERE AT THE
NEW JERSEY PERFORMING ARTS
CENTER IN BEAUTIFUL NEWARK
NEW JERSEY. THIS IS ONE ON ONE
YOU WERE JUST LOOKING AT A CLIP
THAT WAS FRANK SINATRA, AS YOU
WELL KNOW, A CLIP CALLED
"THE HOUSE I LIVE IN"
IT WAS A GOVERNMENT VIDEO
THAT SINATRA DID THAT SPEAKS
FOR ITSELF, AND THE MAN I'M
ABOUT TO INTRODUCE KNOWS ALL
ABOUT THIS. HE IS
ROBERT FOSTER
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
HOBOKEN HISTORICAL MUSEUM
AND WHY DO HAVE HIM?
WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S A SINATRA
EXHIBIT, IT'S CALLED
"FRANK SINATRA, THE MAN, THE
VOICE, AND THE FANS"
IT'S GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH
TO JULY 3RD, 2016
GOOD TO SEE YOU MR FOSTER
>>THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
>>100TH BIRTHDAY OF
FRANK SINATRA. WHAT'S THE DEAL
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN FASCINATED
BY SINATRA, YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY
WEEKENDS WOULDN'T BE COMPLETE
WITHOUT SINATRA BEING PLAYED
THROUGHOUT OUR HOME. HE WAS
AN ICON FOR OUR FAMILY YOU KNOW
THERE WAS CONTROVERSIES AS WELL
ABOUT HIM. BUT WHAT MAKES
SINATRA AN ENDURING FIGURE
ALL THESE YEARS LATER?
>>IT SUCH, YOU KNOW, FOR EACH
PERSON IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT
I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT I MEET
ARE SIMILAR TO YOUR CONNECTION
IS THAT SOMEONE INTRODUCED
THEM TO THIS MUSIC WHEN
THEY'RE YOUNG. AND I KIND OF
LIKEN IT TO ALMOST LIKE
LIKE THE FOOD THAT YOUR MOM
MADE. THAT THAT FOOD IS ALMOST
LIKE COMFORT FOOD, AND THAT
MUSIC IS COMFORT FOOD. AND
IT'S INCREDIBLE TO MEET
SOMEONE WHO'S 93, 94 YEARS OLD
AND THEY'LL TALK ABOUT CUTTING
OUT OF SCHOOL, WITHOUT THEIR
PARENTS KNOWING ABOUT IT, AND
GOING TO THE PARAMOUNT
IN NEW YORK
>>I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE
PARAMOUNT IN NEW YORK
>>YEAH, AND...
>>[LAUGHTER] I USED TO HEAR
THAT FROM MY GREAT AUNTS
>>RIGHT. AND SO YOU JUST
HEAR THEIR STORIES AND YOU
REALIZE THAT FRANK SINATRA
TO THEM, IS LIKE THE BEST
SPIRITUAL LEADER, THE BEST
POLITICIAN, LIKE A LEADER
>>WHAT'S THE EXHIBIT?
>>THE EXHIBIT IS CALLED
"THE MAN, THE VOICE, AND THE
FANS"
>>WHAT DO PEOPLE SEE?
>>AND, GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN
WE'RE HITTING ALL THREE
AREAS. WE GO OVER HIS CAREER
AND SO THERE ARE MEDIA STATIONS
THAT ARE CHRONOLOGICAL
AND SO YOU START WITH
MAJOR BOWES' AMATEUR HOUR
THAT'S THE WAY FRANK WAS
DISCOVERED. KIND OF A STAR
SEARCH PROGRAM OF THE DAY
IT'S A THREE MINUTE PIECE
AND THEN WE ALSO SHOW HOW
FRANK IS HONORED TODAY
EVERY YEAR THE CITY OF HOBOKEN
THROUGH CULTURAL AFFAIRS
HAS A SINATRA IDOL EVENT
SOUNDS A LITTLE CORNY, BUT
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
KEEPING THE MUSIC ALIVE
SO WE KIND OF SHOW THE EARLY
YEARS
>>RIGHT
>>AND WE'RE SHOWING HOW HE'S
HONORED TODAY
>>THERE'S AN INTERESTING
CONNECTION BETWEEN SINATRA
AND HOBOKEN
>>YEAH. I MEAN...
>>CAUSE DOLLY AND MARTY
>>SURE
>>HIS PARENTS
>>YEAH. I MEAN, FRANK SINATRA'S
GROWING UP IN THE 1930'S
AND IF YOU ARE ITALIAN
NOT JUST HOBOKEN, BUT IF YOU'RE
YOU KNOW, ITALIAN IN THIS
COUNTRY IN THE 1930'S
CHANCES ARE YOU'RE A FIRST
GENERATION IMMIGRANT. YOU'RE
AT THE LOW END OF THE SOCIAL
STRATA, AND YOU ARE
DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
>>DOLLY AND MARTY WERE
>>YES, DEFINITELY. AND IN THAT
CLIP, "THE HOUSE I LIVE IN" IT
KINDA DEALS WITH DISCRIMINATION
>>THAT'S RIGHT. IT DOES
>>AND GENERALLY, WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT DISCRIMINATION ABOUT
FROM BETWEEN ITALIANS AND IRISH
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE
GOING AFTER IT. IT'S NOT UNTIL
THOSE TWO GROUPS START
INTERMARRYING
>>RIGHT
>>AND GETTING TOGETHER FOR
THANKSGIVING, THAT THINGS
CHANGE
>>SINATRA ALSO A, NOT JUST A
COMPELLING VOICE, AND
HE WINS THE ACADEMY AWARD
IN 1954, I BELIEVE
>>HERE TO ETERNITY
>>HERE TO ETERNITY, AND
PLAYING MAGGIO
>>RIGHT
>>CHANGING HIS LIFE, RIGHT?
>>SURE
>>BECAUSE HE WAS DOWN. I MEAN
>>MM HMM
>>IN THE 50'S, THE EARLY 50'S
>>YEAH
>>HE COULDN'T GET WORK
>>SURE
>>PERFORMING NOWHERE
OTHER THAN IN THE MOB JOINTS
THAT WOULD, FRANKLY, EMPLOY HIM
THAT'S JUST A FACT, RIGHT?
>>MM HMM
>>DO YOU, IN FACT, IN ANY WAY
TALK ABOUT THE CONNECTION
THAT SINATRA ALLEGEDLY HAD
WITH ORGANIZED CRIME FIGURES?
>>WE ACTUALLY DON'T
>>BY DESIGN?
>>YEAH. NOT REALLY, I MEAN
WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO FOCUS
ON THAT
>>IS IT NOT IMPORTANT?
>>I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN
OUR EXHIBIT FOCUSES ON SO MUCH
ABOUT THE FANS LOVE OF SINATRA
WE HAVE DIFFERENT
MEMORY BOOKS AROUND THE MUSEUM
WHERE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY COME IN
THEY WANT TO TELL THEIR STORY
SO WE HAVE...
>>YOU BROUGHT A MEMORY BOOK?
>>YEAH
>>SO PEOPLE WRITE ABOUT THEIR
CONNECTION TO SINATRA?
>>CORRECT
>>BUT HE WAS, HE WOULD HAVE
BEEN 100, SO WHO THE HECK
IS WRITING ABOUT HIM?
>>WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN
WHO ARE THREE GENERATIONS
THEY'RE BRINGING IN THE 90 YEAR
OLD BOBBY SOXER
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>THEY'RE BRINGING IN THE
YOU KNOW, THE NEXT GENERATION
ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE
NINE YEAR OLD. AND IT'S A
BEAUTIFUL THING TO WATCH
I MEAN, IT IS NOSTALGIA
BUT THE FACT THAT THEY CAN
SHARE ALL THROUGH THIS MUSIC
ONE PERSON. SO WE'RE NOT AS
CONCERNED WITH, SHALL WE SAY
HIS EARLY ARREST
>>RIGHT
>>YOU SEE THAT MUGSHOT
YOU KNOW
>>RIGHT
>>A LA SOPRANOS
>>YES
>>WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON DISPLAY
THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT REALLY
HONORS HIM MORE THAN...
>>IT CELEBRATES HIS LIFE?
>>YEAH DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY
>>SO I WROTE A PIECE
FOR NEW JERSEY MONTHLY
MAGAZINE, WHICH WILL BE
YOU CAN GOOGLE IT AND IT'LL
COME UP, ON SINATRA, FOR HIS
100TH BIRTHDAY. AND I TALKED
TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND ONE
OF THEM WAS JOE PISCOPO
WHO PERFORMS SINATRA AND
HE WAS ONE OF THE FEW
PERFORMERS THAT SINATRA
THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY FOR HIM
TO DO HIM
>>SURE
>>AND HE TELLS HIS OWN STORY
WHICH I REPEAT, IN THE
THE ARTICLE. BUT WHAT'S SO
FASCINATING ABOUT IT, IS THAT
I ASKED PISCOPO WHETHER
HE THOUGHT SINATRA WOULD BE
CELEBRATED 150... 200 YEARS
FROM NOW. AND HE SAID
"ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT"
WHAT DO YOU SAY?
>>DEFINITELY, YEAH
>>DEFINITELY?
>>DEFINITELY. DEFINITELY
>>BECAUSE?
>>JUST BECAUSE MUSIC...
>>BUT WHO'S GONNA BE AROUND?
>>[LAUGHTER] HIS MUSIC WILL BE
AROUND. THE MAN MADE OVER 50
FILMS. THOSE FILMS PLAY
CONTINUALLY. AND SO I HAVE NO
DOUBT. I HAVE NO DOUBT. WE HAVE
WE HAVE 12 YEAR OLDS AND
14 YEAR OLDS COMING IN
WHO KNOW ABOUT SINATRA
FROM GRANDDAD. THEY'RE PASSING
IT ON. THE MUSIC PASSES AROUND
PASSES THROUGH
>>I GREW UP AS A KID
AND HEARING THAT SINATRA USED
TO GET BREAD FROM MY
NEIGHBORHOOD, MY NEIGHBORHOOD
FROM GIORDANO'S
>>RIGHT
>>YOU HEAR, YOU TOLD ME
SOMETHING ELSE. YOU BROUGHT
BREAD?
>>YEAH. THIS IS A SIMILAR STORY
BUT I'VE SEEN THE CANCELLED
CHECKS FROM DOM'S BAKERY
>>FROM DOM'S? OH OH THIS IS...
>>THIS IS BEAUTIFUL BREAD
>>BY THE WAY, THIS IS CALLED
THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW
THIS IS, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD
CALLED A PANEL. SINATRA WOULD
ORDER THIS
>>YES. THIS WAS AFTER HE
MOVED OUT OF HOBOKEN, AND HE'S
GETTING THIS IN THE 1980'S
I'VE SEEN CANCELLED CHECKS
FROM DOM'S. HE WOULD HAVE IT
FED EXED OUT TO PALM SPRINGS
AND THIS IS BREAD YOU GOTTA EAT
QUICK. AND AGAIN, ANOTHER
WAY TO CONNECT TO FRANK
IS THROUGH FOOD AND, OF COURSE
HE'S GIVING US THE MUSIC
>>SINATRA. GREAT, GREAT STUFF
>>THANK YOU
>>THANK'S SO MUCH
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