hello everyone Michael Lanfield here and
thank you for joining me on creating a
beautiful world podcast
this is episode 3 how to thrive
as vegan advocates in times of crisis
so i hope people can hear me here
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um or there's some option in the online
uh window there i'm not entirely sure
uh we have unfortunately
not really good news will turtle was not
able to
make it today at this time
however we did pre-record
an interview a few hours ago
and so i'm very happy to have his
pre-recorded message uh it's about an
hour in length and we also have a few
other guests that will be on
as well so
this is a very exciting i just can't
wait
to hear from everybody to hear what they
have to say
about thriving as a as a vegan advocate
during times of crisis and we have
a terrible crisis this year
2020 is a big many people
including ones who have
lost their businesses because of
this lockdown so i want to thank you all
for joining me here
on creating a beautiful world this is
how to
thrive as a vegan advocate in times of
crisis
so we have many many wonderful people
here
uh let me just see uh particularly who
is on the call and um
you should be having silash rail on the
call
as well as judy
carmen is on the call and a few others
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that sponsor for this video and all my
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um hopefully eric and lynn wiseman will
be on the call
i see silesh is here
thank you for being here everyone
and um yeah just a few little updates
and news and things
uh before we start uh the pre-recorded
call with will tuttle
and unfortunately he was not able to
make it his plans change and he was not
able to make it at this time
so we scheduled it for earlier during
the day
and we'll be playing that as well and
that's about an
hour in length
so what news and updates
have been going on with myself for
example so this
program is the same title
creating a beautiful world as my as my
one of my books called creating a
beautiful world it's
i am very sorry for that interruption
there
um one second there i'm very
sorry for the interruption i just turned
off my phone here
um so
i so basically the last
few months have been really difficult
for many people because of this chrono
first of all can any can everybody hear
me please post in the comment section
down below
if everybody can hear me clearly because
i cannot hear myself
just want to test it out if i if i'm
able to be
heard let me know you can
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or just type in the chat box there
okay so anyways uh
so yeah this podcast
is creating a beautiful world and
it's the title of my newest book called
creating a beautiful world and i wanted
to
talk and i hope you guys all of you can
hear me because it's like raining here
and the insulation uh
the soundproofing of the housing is not
very good in costa rica
so i'm here and um okay thank you judy
if you can hear me okay so anyways so
basically the new book
creating a beautiful world just came out
this year and
i have a spanish version of that book
which is
incredible it goes into the idea of
eating fruitarianism and why we have to
strive not just to be vegan
but to walk further on our path
until we get to um until we get to
eating footarianism which is really an
ethical extension of veganism
which really respects all life including
plants as well
and understanding that fruit is the uh
food that virtually causes
little to no harm and so
yeah that is the book that i released
called creating a beautiful world
and it's uh the updated version of my
book how to create the perfect vegan
life
from 2017. i've also released
another short audiobook called
the journey to awakening and that is
with music by moby and it's a short
you know almost 30 minutes audio book
and
it's going to be available very soon
on within a month or two through
amazon and audiobook so that will be
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earn some extra income
a living being a vegan advocate so what
can we do
and this is precisely what this topic
today is about is how to thrive as a
vegan advocate
in a time of crisis what can we do
to earn more money in this period
um also how
um and what and why and all the
questions about
this pandemic is it real is it not real
what's it having the effect on the
environment the effect on our health the
effect on our families and relationships
and also the related the
effect that has on a relationship of all
life
as we are um scientific term is
entanglement
or to entangled but as we are
interconnected with all life
on this earth so i'm just going to talk
a little bit about
my thoughts and feelings on this whole
pandemic situation
and then we're going to talk a little
bit uh
to eric or lynn wiseman if they're on
the call
we're going to talk to them as well
about uh their
product that they have come up with
about 30 years ago the first
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and it's the most complete and most
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for basically for any animal because
they've even i mean there was even a
gentleman who fed rescued wolves
their food and the world was thriving on
this food so imagine
if you just provide the animal
the non-human animal the proper
nutrients
you can actually get virtually any
animal to go vegan
so and because that's also very uh
controversial topic
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ah okay so i'm just going to talk a
little bit
before we start real tuttle's
pre-recorded
interview that i had with him just a few
hours ago i will talk a little bit about
my thoughts on the whole situation and
the pandemic
okay so
there's so much i can say on this and i
really don't want to go on for too long
because
will cuddles interviews about an hour
and i actually
shortened a bit so there's a lot
a lot that i could say but i'm going to
get the good people
on this call to say what they have to
say because i've already
talked a lot about this issue about
about the pandemic and about the mask
and about so many different issues
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being here everybody
so just a short
information about this pandemic that's
going on
it's really getting redundant you know
with all especially with all the
back and forth arguing over the mask
situation and the way i see things
is that no matter if
this whole thing is happening if it's
true or not
or if it is totally a hoax
or if there is some truth to it
so be put all that aside
okay put all that aside let's just say
whatever whatever is happening is
happening okay we can't
we can't really do anything about it the
only thing that we can
really do is to focus
on what we really need to focus on which
is really
sharing veganism with others i think
that's the main thing
another thing is to focus
um also talking to people a little bit
about this pandemic and actually how
um we really don't know what's going on
you can't really say that there isn't
there is a pandemic or not because
there's so many conflicting theories and
ideas
and opinions on this matter which we
will talk about
with uh the guests on the call including
simon
on the call so there's so much confusion
that i tend to
get the answers from within myself
that's the only thing we can do is
trust and cultivate our intuition and
doing that through
meditation and prayer and we're going to
be talking to judy carmen
a little bit about that as she
is part of the circle prayer for animals
that is going on every day around 12
noon
around the world here about that we'll
talk to her a little bit about
her new book so that'll be later right
after
will's interview so
again you just have to uh look to
ourselves for the answers because we're
all interconnected
we all came from one source whatever
people want to call that one source
uh the big bang or god or universe or
higher consciousness
we all came from that one source and
eventually we separated into physical
matter
but energetically we actually are all
interconnected
and what happens in one part of the
world
actually happens in another part of the
world it's
because we're all interconnected um
so really i think the main idea is
really to
because the the main cause of all of
these problems that we're facing in the
world a lot of them
is the hurting culture is basically
seeing
other animals seeing non-human animals
as property and as food
and let's get back to building
and creating a new world and
i call this the world vegan community
where we as vegans and raw vegans come
together
to and band together to create a new
world
away from the current society because i
think
the current society that we're living in
with governments and
politics and police and capitalism and
cities
no longer really works
we've been trying to reform governments
and policies and things
and really we're still in the same mess
actually we have more
problems than ever in the world around
the you know
the world around us and so i think we
need to create a new world
and that i'm actually doing through an
online forum called
i'm almost hearing this little click
this little bell so i don't know what
that is but if somebody can let me know
what that is
i would appreciate that but anyways i
have this online forum
called world vegan community and it's
part of the peaceful village
community that i'm trying to build for
the last six years
and that's not easy but we'll talk to
sash about how do we get there how do we
get to a vegan
by 2026 because this
decade from 2020 to 2030 i think is the
most important
and now especially the most important
you know
um i can't emphasize that this
few years now are so important to share
veganism with people
and to be positive and loving as we
possibly can
with others so anyways you can join this
forum it's an online forum
trying to learn and discuss these ideas
on creating a new world
and then no stylish is doing that he's
actually creating
some kind of new uh world uh we'll talk
to him
more about that and actually the details
on that and
um uh what else so that is basically
uh peaceful hyphen village.com backslash
forum
and that will again be posted all down
below
the youtube video so i will send
i will post the youtube link
to my page as well as it will be
on vr interconnected.com in the
uh in the radio show section there
on the website but you can also just
search
me on youtube i'm everywhere i can be
found anywhere
and everywhere so
again just recapping and tying
everything together
so we can get started with will tuttle's
interview basically
just to do the inner work inner work
focusing on positive transformation
focusing on
eden on a vegan world right now feeling
and
feeling that that we are actually living
in that world right now because the
universe
in a way where we have to think
and we have to feel we have to envision
we have to feel that we are actually
living that kind of life right now if we
want abundance we don't say
oh i will get 10 million dollars or i
will
i will uh have abundance you know next
year or something no
right now this second we are living in
abundance
and we're holding that and we're feeling
that all that abundance in our
in our minds in our hearts and the heart
is the most powerful
energy within our bodies so
coupling the feelings
energy sorry the feelings and the
thoughts and the energy
and the emotions all together
in that moment we can
create miracles and if more and more
people do that if more and more people
band together to create
um the world that we really want to live
in then
we will get to that
oh eventually so without further ado
i'm going to introduce will tuttle
so will tuttle is a is a recipient of
the courage of conscious award
and the empty cages prize educator
author
and musician he is the author of the
world peace diet
now translated and published worldwide
in 16 languages and being published
in more languages as we speak has been
called one of the most important books
of the 21st century
the foundation of a new society based on
the truth of the interconnectedness of
life
of all life he is the editor of circles
of compassion and buddhism and veganism
and author of your inner islands he has
appeared in many
radio television print
and online interviews as well as
documentary films
including conspiracy a prayer for
compassion
hope what you eat matters vegan everyday
stories
and animals and a buddha a former zen
monk
in education from uc berkeley
worked extensively exploring and
promoting intuition
development non-violent living
meditation healing
new meditation healing music creativity
holistic health animal liberation and
cultural evolution
for more information you can visit his
website at willtuttle.com
or worldpiecedia.com
i will thank you for joining me here for
this interview
great it's good to be with you michael
and thanks everyone for listening in
so i'm happened to be sitting here at
the piano so this is
dr will tuttle and talking about how we
can thrive
at this time of crisis
we'll start out with a short meditation
meditation is one of the best ways to
let go of stress
and to awaken to our true nature
as infinite and eternal consciousness
expressing through the physical body
at this time so let's become aware of
our breathing
and with every exhalation we let go
of any thoughts of the past
letting go of any thoughts of the future
allowing ourselves to enter more deeply
into this present moment
the only holy moment is right now
breathing and abiding
in our true home
which is this moment past and the future
are not
real in this moment
in this moment we open our hearts
to a natural feeling of gratitude
we give thanks for this precious
opportunity
of a human life on this beautiful and
abundant earth
we give thanks for all of
the beauty in our life
of birds trees and plants
the animals friends and neighbors
the sky and the stars the sun and the
moon and the ocean
the rivers and lakes
we give thanks knowing that we are
only here for a brief time
and we're here to grow in wisdom
to grow in compassion
to grow in joy and creativity
and awareness and to contribute
to help bring healing to our world
to be a voice for those who have no
voice
to be an example
of loving kindness
mercy and tenderness
so we open our minds to the deeper
truths
that exist
beyond words and logic
the deep truth and what we are
the manifestation infinite
and eternal awareness
and that we have a purpose for this
lifetime
we have a unique calling
a mission that we are here
to fulfill
so we just allow our inner wisdom now to
open
like a flower
as we open to a deeper understanding
of our purpose here
the vehicle of light
the inner silence
you open to our inner wisdom
and we know that the light
that shines at the heart of the universe
is shining right now in our hearts
bringing wisdom joy and freedom and
healing
into every dimension of our physical
body
into every dimension of our
mind and heart into every aspect of our
affairs
abiding in this light that shines in
every cell of our being
creating healing joy
peace and harmony abundance
so we close now our time of meditation
for the image of the earth
this beautiful planet shining
in space you see the whole earth now
bathed in the light of lovingkindness
compassion joy
and peace and harmony
this is the truth of being
and we feel and see and know
that every moment
we are growing an awareness of this
truth
may all beings be happy and at peace
may all beings be free
and may we continue together
to build a more enlightened society
a world that cares for everyone
for all expressions of life
the infinite spirit of truth and love
with your thanks
so it is
okay so thank you everyone for
participating in our meditation time
and i'm happy to talk a little bit about
the ideas that our dear friend michael
lanfield
who's coordinating this whole thing
would like us to talk about
and that is how we can thrive
am i right michael how we can thrive
during this time
yeah it's basically how can we thrive
will tuttle by the way that meditation
was
incredible thank you for that oh thank
you
how we can thrive as vegans and vegan
advocates in a time of
crisis so as you know we are
in this crisis we've been here we've
been in this
dilemma that we've been in since about
march
and so i feel that a lot of people would
like to know
how can we thrive as vegans in all
aspects of our lives
financially spiritually mentally
physically um how can we
thrive so you have the whole floor about
half an hour 45 minutes maybe
so okay i can share a few ideas
and i'm going to move myself so go ahead
okay all right thanks
uh so yeah i think well that's an
extremely important question
that we have all of us to
address because we find ourselves really
in unprecedented rapids of change we're
like where
the river was already getting kind of
rough
uh for the last few decades seemed like
as we continued to devastate rainforests
uh oceans rivers more and more terrorism
and violence and hunger and poverty
injustice in our world
and so entering into 2020 we find
uh on top of all that we've got this
pandemic which is causing
lockdowns massive financial
pressures on people social pressures
and is causing a huge transfer of wealth
from the lower classes middle classes
even the upper classes into the super
wealthy elite
and uh we're seeing an unprecedented
loss of our basic human rights and civil
liberties
freedom of speech censorship is on the
rise
freedom of assembly has been taken away
they're talking about taking away
freedom of our
bodily autonomy and informed consent
medical consent so this is
something i've been actually warning
about for
30 years or more probably 40 years in
the world peace diet
to talk about the basic truth that
governs really i think everything on
this plane of existence that we find
ourselves which is
the law that whatever seeds we sow we
are going to
reap and we've been sowing seeds
in our mistreatment of animals for food
and other products
for centuries and it's intensified over
the last few decades
so we're killing literally billions of
animals
actually every day if we consider and
include the
marine animals of the world so this
massive
killing spree of human beings is
unnecessary we're killing
fishes cows pigs chickens turkeys ducks
geese and many other animals for food
and other products
and we're imprisoning them we're
microchipping them we're vaccinating
them against their will we're stealing
their babies breaking up their families
locking them down and forcing them into
enormous pain and suffering again all
unnecessarily i've been a vegan for 40
years since 1980 i haven't eaten any
meat dairy products and eggs and
my i am one of millions of people who is
a living testament
that we do not need to do this we can
get all the nutrients we need to thrive
and be healthy
from plants so we don't need to imprison
each other and
impregnate any animals against their
will
so this is a voluntary behavior in a
sense people are doing this voluntarily
but it's
really only being done because of
programming and conditioning
and being compelled from infancy to
participate in these meal time rituals
with very trusted
people like my mother my father my
clergy
friends neighbors doctors everybody's
eating animal foods
so number one most important thing if
you're engaging in that in any way
please
cease and desist that that's that's
that's the root cause
of this crisis that we're facing the
pandemic is just the latest
sort of pimple on the surface of this
massive
disease of violence and misery that
we're causing unnecessarily we could
easily thrive in a healthy
harmonious happy way on this beautiful
and abundant earth
we could allow habitat to be restored
rainforests could come back oceans could
come back rivers lakes streams aquifers
could all be healthy the atmosphere
climate everything
it's all being attacked brutally by
animal agriculture
and by the attitudes underlying in
agriculture so the most important thing
is to
is to continue with begin and continue
with the healing process
of this activity of animal agriculture
and the mentality
of materialism which underlies animal
agriculture
so this is this is the key thing is to
let go of materialism let go of this
idea that life
is in matter uh this is this is a
huge delusion it's a fundamental mistake
of our society we have entered into a
period of unprecedented ignorance i
think
indigenous cultures then understood
intuitively that
there is a deeper dimension to life and
they honored that the spirit
of all life the spirit within every
being when we honor that spirit then we
have a sense of
of respect for others for ourselves for
other humans for all
expressions of life but after 10 000
years of buying and selling animals by
the pound
reducing them to just cement and rocks
the status of just
matter and seeing life isn't matter we
have done the same thing to ourselves
and we're lost in delusion
and we think of ourselves as being just
a thing an object that was born and will
die
and a fundamentally separate self at
odds
with nature with other people we have to
compete with them to get enough food to
get enough money to get enough
attention to get enough praise so that
we can
survive and and somehow uh this
this narrative of animal agriculture
of reducing us to just machines that
want to
procreate pass on our genes to future
generations
extremely delusional to loose and very
delusionary and
violent to us at the deepest levels that
children being born into
this kind of a mentality we see the
effects of it
and what it's led to of course is a
medical industry pharmaceutical industry
that
exploits not only animals or
giving section horrible suffering and
brutality and cruelty to these animals
but also for products
for food and clothing and everything
else
but the pharmaceutical model of
disease being caused by material things
like bacteria and viruses
again is the delusion this is part of
the same delusion so
the way that really i think the basic
way to thrive
during these times is to get to the
roots
of our dilemma the roots of our problems
and that's the mentality of materialism
which sees our us as fundamentally
separate
and animals as separate and these
viruses
as in bacteria and other pathogens
so-called as
our enemies not realizing that we have
right within our very
physical body billions trillions
trillions of bacteria we have
for every one cell that's our human body
we have
nine cells that are bacterial you know
there's ten times basically nine times
as negative they're 90 percent we're 10
when it comes to genetic information in
our body
the genetic information in our cells is
1
and viruses and bacteria are
99 of the genetic information in our
bodies
and so viruses and bacteria are not our
enemies without if they died if they
left our bodies we would die instantly
we were completely interconnected
with all forms of life including
the microscopic level so this underlying
fear the pandemic is nothing but a fear
based pandemic and so when we have this
kind of
rant and fear going scaring us
about these microscopic particles that
they can harm us
and putting on masks and social
distancing and trying to stay away from
each other and not trusting each other
and all of that is based on a
materialistic model
that it has done very worked very well
you know to enslave animals right i mean
you can
kill billions of animals every day for
food and other products
and they don't have a chance they just
we just completely overpowered them
with superior technology and of course
we're sowing those seeds
as individuals when we buy and eat
animal foods and so what we're seeing
happening
is the same thing essentially we're
well yeah can i interrupt you for a
moment
uh just off question here uh
there's many scientists and doctors
that are saying contradictory things
about this pandemic some people are
saying that
viruses don't exist at all some people
are saying we have all the
a lot of viruses within us and
people are saying mass work some studies
are saying math work some studies are
saying math don't work
and then some people are saying well
doctors wear masks
so it should work and then there's other
people saying this and that
can you dispel all those myths and talk
about what's really happening
within this particular pandemic and
actually also also connect it
if you don't mind to the other pandemics
that we had throughout history
because i think it's very good for
people to understand what's really going
on
okay thanks michael yeah i think you
know the thing is
um obviously i am not trained as an
epidemiologist or a virologist or even a
medical doctor and although medical
doctors don't really have any training
in any of this stuff
anyway but i think uh from the research
that i've seen i think uh
what your points you're making are very
good that
there is a you know sort of a range of
opinions from
reputable scientists and so forth and
others thinkers on this
and uh what resonates personally with me
is uh the research
that's that's put out by people like dr
zach bush and his other
dr andrew kaufman the idea that we have
cells
that are basically endowed with enormous
amounts of intelligence one of the
things that i always talked about
so interesting is that a typical cell in
our body and again we have trillions of
cells
uh each cell is more complex than new
york city
right or than you know than a major city
so there's an enormous amount of
complexity in each cell and we have
trillions of these cells and this
complexity basically another word for
that
is intelligence there's an enormous
investment of intelligence
in every cell of our body in in
in our bodies and not just human beings
but pigs and cows and chickens they have
an enormous
intelligence of universal uh awareness
an enormous investment of intelligence
in all of these beings and so
we we are we are we have co-evolved
with with an amazing kaleidoscopic
uh celebration of life on this earth
that we can't even begin to understand
any scientist of uh where his or her
salt has a little bit of humility
and understands that we don't understand
anything really i mean t colin campbell
has come right out and said this very
clearly he said we will never understand
nutrition
nutrition is it's such a symphony of of
an infinite number of different um
different uh nutrients and
enzymes and so forth going on in our
body that we you know
we're just barely we're at the most
primitive level
of understanding just scratching the
surface of the surface of the surface
so uh i think to me it's very
obvious that uh what's going on here is
a power grab
by a tiny wealthy elite it's so obvious
i mean i
you know i've been an animal rights act
of this for 40 years and i've learned
certainly about 25 years to learn
actually that the meat industry the
dairy industry the egg industry you know
those are not the real
enemy of vegan you know that we're
really fighting against
it's really the really it's the
pharmaceutical industry and the big
bankers in the background
those are the ones that want to keep the
system going and have the real power
and control the government control
governmental agencies control
control things and they have the money
and they've bought things out i mean the
meat dairy and egg industries are very
powerful also
and so the farm so the petroleum
industry but all of these industries
benefit from this pandemic right i mean
they benefit from fear
they benefit from people
wearing masks and social distancing and
being afraid
and small businesses and medium-sized
businesses are just going under they're
going bankrupt
uh the amazon and these huge you know
walmart issues
you know they're all doing fine they're
doing they're and wealth is just terrain
it's just pouring from the lower to the
upper i mean that's what's happened
so the the same forces
completely control the mainstream media
and the story the narrative that
everybody is being told
they control the governors the health
departments the world health
organization
the cdc the fda and we've known this for
decades that the uh
so obviously there's a revolving door
and it's executives from
from the uh pharmaceutical industry and
the food industry that are in the
positions of power to tell us
what kind of food we should eat what
kind of drugs we should be taking
i've never taken any drugs i haven't
watched i haven't had a
television for 50 years i've been i've
i've consciously kept my mind
as clear as possible from the program i
lived as a zen buddhist monk in korea
back in the 1980s i spent thousands of
hours
just watching my mind and i realized
viscerally how even at that point i was
only in my 20s at that point but how
i i had been colonized my mind had been
colonized
by a toxic program from the time i was
born i worked very hard
to purge my mind from this toxic program
uh which he says that we many things one
of the things that says if he gets it go
to a doctor take a drug
trust others for your health don't take
responsibility for your own health don't
take responsibility
uh for your own happiness you're the
word that we're at the mercy of the
world with the mercy of others
um all these things so it's cruel
will why do you think so why do you
think many vegans are also
conditioned and also still um trust
governments in industry
okay that's a good question michael and
that kind of leads into what i'm saying
see most
most people unfortunately
uh have never taken the time
to spend thousands of hours in
meditation to
actually understand themselves a little
bit to get a glimpse
of the infinite
light of their true nature of mind
and to see the the mechanism of
the thought processes that
have taken over our arm know our
individuality
it's very difficult if you don't work at
it's like
if i want to play the piano and i expect
i can just sit down and play the piano
without ever practicing it's not going
to happen
we've got to practice every single day
and
learn the the underlying musical system
right and so we can express ourselves
harmoniously so we're not taught that as
children we're taught the opposite we're
taught to go to school
obey authorities listen the truth is in
some book the truth is
outside of us we're always searching
outside of ourselves for truth
for approval for gain
for pleasure for happiness this is the
cultural program it's completely toxic
so it's great if someone can go vegan
and make a connection and say oh gosh i
don't want to
cause suffering to animals but that's
just and then people think
oh i'm vegan now i'm finished i'm
perfect i'm done i'm a vegan i
i'm just the part of the solution i'm
not part of the problem and i don't
realize
that that going vegan is great but it's
just the first tiny step
on a long journey of awakening and it's
an important step
it's a great step but don't begin to
think
that there's any kind of uh completion
there because
materialism runs rampant in the vegan
movement
and people are in many ways
still dependent on and addicted to
pharmaceutical pharmaceutical narrative
you know this narrative of
being at the mercy of nature of needing
to have
you know these uh vaccines you know
which are
toxic you know to boost our immune
system and we have an immune system
that is enormously intelligent
what we're trying to you know your
earlier question
about viruses i mean the idea of
exosomes i think is a critical idea
this has been understood by the few
scientists who really study
living cells who and they can see you
know under
high powered microscopes that living
cells bacteria
and uh and cells they they switch back
and forth they change
they change form it's called
plutomorphism
and you can't see that just studying
dead matter but when you study
the living the life itself you see
things are changing all the time
and exosomes are coming out of cells as
a way for the cell
to purify if they get stressed from
radiation or from chemicals and
those exosomes are are basically genetic
bits of material that look they look
like viruses right i mean
that's what a virus is it's not a living
thing it's just some genetic information
encased in a protein
shield and so we have uh this complete
misunderstanding
really you know but but it works very
well it's misunderstanding it's like
the same misunderstanding i'm used to
this right people think oh i need to eat
meat
to get protein i need to eat dairy to
get calcium that's a complete lie
it's totally wrong but it works great
for those who want to control and
dominate and exploit cows
pigs chickens and human beings yet you
get a lot of money from
raising these animals for food you get a
lot of money from people paying for this
get a lot of money from people getting
diabetes obesity osteoporosis liver
disease kidney disease heart disease
strokes cancer
breast prostate and colon diseases from
eating these animal foods and it works
perfectly it makes people think it makes
everybody
on the very top rich it dumbs people
down
you know i mean that's the that's the
main problem with this whole thing with
materialism is it dumbs people down
so you think so well you think that
this whole virus pandemic
is caused by animal agriculture like
you're hurting culture or
do you think it's a deeper underlying
problem with
with the cabal with the industry
well i think they're yeah i think
they're they're inseparable really i
mean
agriculture is the foundation and you
know ten thousand years ago as i
discussed in the world peace value
for the very first time we started
owning animals as property for food
while sheep goats and then while cows
that led to the arising for the first
time
on planet earth of a wealthy elite class
and we've had that with us ever since
well because when you have animal
agriculture you have this hierarchy
and mental hierarchy being created
we are superior to animals we can
dominate and exploit them
so if you do that for a few thousand
years pretty soon you've got
that gets it gets played out in human
society and we have this wealthy elite
class
of kings they're called rulers
and those and they basically create
slavery as part of the system
uh they create war as i say in the world
is that the first word for war is gavia
the ancient sanskrit word that means the
desire for more cows
so this wealthy elite class created
war as a way of expanding their wealth
and as a and then slavery came right out
right out of that
to own uh human beings the same way we
own animals and there's more slavery now
than ever in
history there's more people and
literally owned this property
than ever in the history of the world uh
human trafficking is
a direct result of animal agriculture
it's a direct result of the mentality
as we sow we reap we think we can
exploit animals and buy and sell them by
the pound
uh oppress and dominate them mercilessly
and
think we can live with freedom
and happiness and equality and justice
and sustainability in our own life how
is that possible we
we are called each one of us as
individuals
to question the system of violence and
exploitation of animals
and then to look at the deeper uh you
know
deeper system that we live in
and i you know i think it's pretty
obvious
that there is whatever you want to call
it a deep state you know there's
a certain uh small number of people and
i don't think anyone can really question
this
that control the media and control the
narrative and whoever controls the
narrative controls everything
so they control the politicians and and
so forth
so the question for us is um
not to cooperate with it i think that's
the beautiful thing is that
what veganism is is non-cooperation with
the forces of
violence and injustice so that's what we
try to do
the best we can is not cooperate with
forces of violence and injustice and to
cooperate and co-create
systems of of health and freedom and
sustainability
and that's why we've traveled metal and
night like
40 years all over the world spreading
this message because it's a message of
freedom and liberation
that we can actually engage in and i
think that's the only way it's going to
heal is when the
masses of humanity really the people
stop eating animal foods then we'll have
gradually the mental clarity to see
that we're also being exploited vegans i
think
should be able to be among the first
ones to understand this
but your question was so good still a
lot of vegans don't see it
which is understandable i understand a
lot of vegans are
we're all wounded by the system we're
all wounded by being forced to eat
animal foods
to be vaccinated and have you know these
i mean
well no this is nothing i'm not saying
anything that everybody doesn't already
know go to the cdc website just look at
the list of ingredients and vaccines and
you'll see very clearly
that besides every single vaccine always
has
cellular material from cows or pigs or
chickens
or horses or chimpanzees or human
fetuses or mice or rats or guinea pigs
or camels i mean it's got something they
always have
some animal tissue in there that they
that's how they've created the
the actual antigen that's in the
in the vaccine so that's being injected
right into your
blood i mean talk about a non-vegan
thing i mean these animals they're
tested on animals
they're this animal uh tissue is being
put right into your blood not even going
through the digestive system
and besides that there's formaldehyde
there's squalene
there's polysorbate 80 there's
there's gmo glyphosate
residues there's mercury and aluminum
i mean these are unbelievably toxic and
they go
straight into our blood there's no
defense and for children
i mean who's whose immune immune system
is just developing
you're guaranteed to have immune
compromised people
uh you're guaranteed to make a lot of
money on these people as they get older
they're sick we have the sickest uh this
is well known
you can't argue this i mean when i was a
kid the percentage of people that
had chronic disease was less than 10 it
was something like about
you know six or seven percent now it's
54
you know have chronic disease young
people have chronic disease of course
they do you
put all these toxins in into the bodies
of people
by tiny little kids through vaccines and
through toxic food and water
and air and all these other things so
the cells are working very hard
to uh to purify these exosomes or what
come out and they look like viruses
so of course the cdc is well known
has happened over and over again
whenever there's
anywhere in the world where there's a
pollutant a terrible pollution
toxic spill of some kind causing people
to be sick
they tried they have a special team from
the cdc that goes to these places
and tries to blame it on a virus if you
can blame it on a virus
then oh gosh then we can even make money
we don't we don't have to clean up our
pollution we can keep polluting
and making people sick and we can say
it's a virus and we can
give them even more pollution we can you
know put some more
toxic chemicals right into their blood
that's what they do
and that's what's been happening and
it's happening this is this is all
happening
and the only reason we don't see it is
because we're so programmed
by our society and unwilling unable to
even see that we shouldn't be eating
animal foods i mean that's the most
obvious thing
that's the biggest hoax there is that we
need to kill animals to get protein or
kill cows to get calcium and we can get
calcium and protein
from plants in much healthier way and we
can build a natural immunity
ourselves and we have a natural immunity
the fact is that it's
compromised by the toxins in our
environment that are unleashed by these
chemical industries pharmaceutical
industries petroleum industries and the
big bankers looking in the background
who make huge money from all of this and
really
and own the shares of all the stock of
all these companies so there's a
financial cabal really in the background
that is uh the super rich and
so so what can we do we can there's no
reason
to be still defeated there's no reason
to feel upset
or anything i mean just understand this
is how it is
and uh everybody's wounded by it but
what can i do right and it's a beautiful
thing you just wake up in the morning
and see this beautiful earth
and say i can do the best i can today to
learn grow
understand and be a blessing in the
world to try to share
uh kindness and compassion to animals to
human beings
for the brief time i'm on this earth
we're only we're all here for just a few
decades
this whole system has been going for
thousands of years we're born into it
it's got a huge momentum
and and they've controlled you know the
government and the
economy and the media for thousands of
years
so uh we're seeing i think a great
awakening we really are seeing an
awakening happening
and i think uh in some cases some ways
we could be
at the cusp of a wonderful
transformation
of awareness and health if we as a human
being
can practice meditation which is simply
being quiet and listening it's simply
taking time every day i take an hour you
know take an hour at least every morning
and just sit quietly and listen and be
in the present moment and when the mind
wants to go somewhere
just watch the mind and then come back
and become
aware of what you are as the witness
you're watching what we are is each one
of us is a witness
to our life we're living our life for
sure
but we're the witness of it we're
watching it this physical body is not
our true nature as long as we think
we're just
this body as long as we reduce ourselves
to you know i'm
this height this weight this age this
gender this race this sex this you know
and this history that i have my story no
now i went through this and i had that
and i like this and i don't like that
and that's a prison
we have to realize we are the infinite
eternal consciousness that
is experiencing all this and so is
everybody else
and so when we address it other people
try to see that in them try to see the
beauty
that they are the eternal being that
they are beyond whatever outer shape or
form they have whatever
whatever it is that's simply the passing
show and see that in cows and pigs and
chickens even
harm them and we love them we want to
work to help
um let them be free and express
themselves that's the natural thing but
again we're all wounded by being forced
to compete in the school system
uh in religious systems that judge and
condemn us
and economic systems that force us to
compete with each other and struggle and
fight
all of this is based on a delusion
and we can only heal it when we feel it
in our own consciousness
first and it's a beautiful opportunity
that we have now because i think now
it's becoming really obvious
what's actually happening if we have the
eyes to see and if we have the ears to
hear
am i aware of it right well i have
a few more just closing uh questions
uh first of all how does 5g tie into all
of this
well yeah that unfortunately
seems to be a reality that
from everything i can tell from my
research is potentially
devastating in the sense that
it bathes everyone in
a very high powered electromagnetic
field
5g is much uh higher energy
and waveforms even than before we're
using now 4g
fourth generation and there's also a big
push
to put literally thousands of satellites
in space
so not only will it be literally
millions
of antennas because the short wavelength
of 5g
requires a lot more antennas and since
it doesn't go through walls very well so
it
so the idea is to just roll out millions
of antennas one for every few houses
all over the world and then
uh to also have a whole web of of
radiation from from um coming from
satellites this will allow driverless
cars for example it'll allow
smart uh uh you know appliances that can
order
your vegan
burgers for you you know from the
refrigerator without you ever having to
do it
it's stuff that nobody wants but the
whole idea
i think behind 5g again is
is a microchipped population that's
easily controllable
who is tracked and no one
you know can spend any money or get any
money without
being part of the system and so it makes
everyone everyone very easily
controllable which is
of course the same system that we have
installed
judy carman unfortunately had to leave
and i'm wondering if judy carman is on
the line still
but i'm wondering if judy carman is on
the call yeah so just to let everybody
know this
event ah okay you got to be going okay
silesh
i'm just wondering if uh
you have a chance to speak a little bit
on the
uh on the uh issues here
hold on one second let me unmute you
silash
hi salesh hi michael hi okay so i'm just
going to uh do you have a few moments to
spare with us
uh sure maybe five minutes because i
have another
thing to go okay sure i'm just going to
introduce you and then
you can talk a little bit about what's
happening uh with your work
the 2026 vision of vegan vision
and a little bit about the whole uh how
can we thrive as vegan advocates in this
time of
in this pandemic so dr silash ryal
raoul has over three decades of
professional experience and the founder
and executive director
of climate healers which is a non-profit
dedicated towards healing the earth's
climate assistance specialist with phd
in electrical engineering
from stanford university dr raul
has worked on the internet
communications infrastructure for 20
years after graduation
in 2006 he switched careers and became
deeply immersed full time in solving the
environmental crisis
affecting humanity dr rao is the author
of two books
carbon dharma the occupation
of butterflies and carbon yoga the
vegan metamorphosis and an executive
producer of four documentaries
the human experiment experiment
conspiracy the sustainable secret what
the hell
and a prayer for compassion you can
visit his website at climber
climatehealers.org
so thank you for joining us and just a
little bit about
your view on this whole pandemic and how
we as vegans can thrive
yeah well i see the pandemic as part of
that process
of transformation that is happening
around the world
because change is the only thing that is
constant in the world
and so we have gone through our our
caterpillar phase and now we have been
put
into the chrysalis case where we can
think about
how are we going to organize ourselves
differently
uh in the butterfly phase so
um because you see at the same time as
the pandemic
is raging around the world people are
clamoring for equality
people are clamoring for freedom so in
the entire
system is literally crumbling in front
of our eyes
so people are beginning to lose
confidence in government
in what they're doing and
so that is part of a process of
transformation and so i see
you know some i mean as far as vegans
are concerned you know
we are in the forefront of this
transformation because it is the
transformation to a
non-violent world because only
non-violence is
sustainable violence is not sustainable
so we have to reach a state where we
routinely
give more to the earth than we take from
the earth
and that's not going to happen if we are
continuing to consume animals
so as vegans we've already taken that
first step
but beyond that was organizing ourselves
in this non-violent way in which we
don't have to coerce anyone to do
anything
so how do you create a system in which
people volunteer their time so
it's an entirely different way of
thinking it needs to happen
and you know some people are going to be
suffering in the process so it's up to
us
who have the privilege of being able to
um do more i should be taking this step
to you know help
feed people and do things to make sure
that they are able to
thrive despite what's going on in the
job market
and all that right so because the old
system is crumbling you see that
right i see ah
right i see thank you for that and
can you tell us a little bit before you
leave um
about what we can do individually as
vegan advocates to thrive in this crisis
and also a little bit about that um
vegan 2026 can you talk about that a
little bit and also
a little bit about what you're doing and
climate healers
right okay so yeah uh
as vegans what can we do to thrive well
if we
are fortunate then we should be
we should be doing things for others in
order to try because
you know the the safest place to keep
your extra food
is in the belly of your neighbor so
that's
to me is the fundamental rule of
thriving
is to be is when we have the opportunity
to give we should
give and and that makes all of us
much more resilient as a community and
it's not just to
other human beings you have to give to
animals you know they're all suffering
to too
literally you know i mean the wild
animals especially are dying
so and the vegan world 2026 i mean the
whole idea of 2026 as
a as a lifeline
so if we transform to a vegan world by
2026 we will have
we we have the opportunity to create a
beautiful world
for all life but if we continue with the
current system
which obviously it's not going to
continue because we see it already
crumbling
but if you continue the current system
until 2026 we are on track to wipe out
almost all wildlife
so this is where the the date 2026
came from you know just calculating uh
if we continue doing what we are doing
how much time do we have
and but knowing that you know and
knowing that we are already transforming
so the vegan movement is also growing
exponentially
it's how do we help that grow how do we
tell the new story in which people
feel like you know feel secure
and they feel like they're part of
something much larger than themselves
and they're part of this transformation
and then they're contributing towards
that transformation
right so it's it's about telling us
telling a different story that helps
people see that that's possible
in fact if you know how fast the vegan
movement is growing you'll see that if
you just maintain the rate of growth
you will have a vegan world by 2026
because between 2014 and 2017 the number
of vegans in the u.s
increased by a factor of seven
so at that rate of growth this is
exactly like like
the coed 19 you know any kind of
infection
is an exponential process so so is the
vegan movement
it's an exponential process
right so it's up to each one of us
to help help our circles
see them see that and then help them
reach that
state where they're they're healthy
themselves so that they are
fundamentally immune to these viruses
because
they are healthier yeah right and what
are the
details uh can you explain up to 2026
what are the
how how are we going to get how are we
going to get to a vegan world
by 2026 is it just natural
is it just a natural process it's a
natural process but simultaneously we
are part of the natural process
so we are acting you know to help the
natural process
um evolve so to do that we need to
create a
we need to create new ways of organizing
ourselves
we need to create new ways of
distributing food growing food
we have to create new ways of measuring
our impact on the planet and making sure
that we are within limit
so because right now we really don't
have a good way of doing that we
basically have a single unit called
currency that you know pictures of
pieces of paper with pictures of dead
people on it
and using that we are organizing
ourselves and
and that clearly is you know is
not going to continue because it's we
know exactly where that is headed
so we have to create new ways of
organizing ourselves right so that we
can measure our impact accurately
and make sure that we are within limit
and then
you know we should be putting our
resources into regenerating forests
you know and bringing back the wild
animal and cleaning up the ocean
cleaning up our beaches
so there are there's a lot of cleanup
work that needs to be done and that's
where we need to focus our resources
when i say resources i mean our time and
our energy
you know as human beings should be spent
on that
and not on creating new instruments for
investment and things like that which is
you know completely useless in the
current environment
right right so before you leave because
i know you got to leave very quickly now
but before you leave um just a few
uh last minute um things about what
you're doing
and client climate healers yeah so
climate healers we are
um we have a program where
we incubate new ideas and help people
bring that to fruition so for instance
the interfaith vegan coalition is part
of our
our group and they are actually
you know doing the compassionate living
circles
and they're organizing themselves within
our incubator
and so like that we are encouraging
other vegan organizations to come and
join and they
have over 500 people who can help with
with you know your media needs or
whatever there are lots of experts
you know on our group and so that's one
way we are helping the vegan world
happen
another way is specific apps that we are
writing to help people
for instance get food so
head get vegan food easily available
because i think that's one of the
fundamental things that we need to do as
vegans
is to make sure that healthy immune
boosting
nutritious vegan food is easily
available
to anyone anywhere and if you start
cooking in bulk we discover that we can
actually cook
a really tasty delicious meal
for about 50 cents right
so then you know communities can come
together and start making these meals
and
you know giving it to our less fortunate
neighbors
so that's there's an app that we're
writing about that
uh then we're writing an app that helps
people fund
regenerating forests and then finally we
are doing some
writing an app that would help us
monitor our
ecological footprint and make sure that
we are within limit
so these are specific things that we are
doing to help a vegan world come about
and we invite people to come to the
climatehelp.org and
join us and and and contribute because
we all have gifts
every one of us has gifts that we can
use
for the benefit of the planet and the
and
our common goal of being a vegan world
happen
ah thank you so much silash for for
doing this so everyone
can if they want to participate anyone
can go to climate healers to find this
information
yep climatehealth.org and just sign up
and then
we have an orientation process and then
you'll become part of our
our incubator excellent thank you
so much silas for being on the call and
uh much love to your future endeavors as
well
thank you thank you for having me okay
thank you
bye uh so thank you to silash
and everybody on the call you still have
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if any one of you
eric or lynn wiseman are on the call
i would really appreciate one second
here
okay so now you can unmute yourself if
you press star six if
if um because there's a wireless caller
that i don't know if it's
um if it's eric or lynn so if you're on
the call please press
star six to unmute yourself
to talk a little bit about
evolution diet pet food if not we'll go
to back to will's interview
lynn eric
okay um that's fine if judy is on the
call as well
judy no i think she left okay i will
have judy
back on the call in another time but she
wrote a wonderful book
called um
she wrote a wonderful book called homo
ahinsa
so they have a chance to get that book
home on himself would really
really recommend it it teaches us not
only why we should be vegans and
why we should strive to get away from
being homo sapiens to homo hinsa
but it's like a very positive message of
of how when we focus on positive
transformation and uh the positive
vision in our minds we can actually
transform
the world into a benevolent one so i'm
going to get back to
the because i know i talk a lot um
i'm going to get back to the interview
with will tuttle
and after if you anyone has any
questions
uh we can definitely get into that on
factory pumps i mean all these animals
are tracked
they don't go wandering off the
reservation you know the cows and fish
and chickens stay
where they are they're hyper confined
they're mutilated when they're when we
want to mutilate them and then we kill
them when we want to kill them
and we impregnate them when we want to
impregnate them and so
again if we're going to sow those seeds
millions of times over
we can't expect we're going to avoid
that fate ourselves
so 5g is just the way that this system
would be able to track everyone
uh economically and physically and
uh it's something that i think we should
definitely question we don't need it
uh we should be going the other
direction we should be getting away from
electromagnetic radiation which our body
is very you know
our body is like an antenna it's very
sensitive to radiation
i've been aware of it my entire life i
could never go
a day without jumping in water i could
feel it
if i drove if i you know i was on the
road living three years on a volkswagen
bus
if i drove for an hour in the volkswagen
box there's an energy field even in an
old volkswagen bus i mean can you
imagine the energy field in a
modern car all these computer systems
and everything
you know it's terrible and i i had to
get out and jump into the river jump in
the lake
you know and then water luckily we'll
just kind of
just cleanse that that's why still today
every day take a swim
you know every day uh it's important to
connect with nature
one of the best things you can do you
know to thrive
because i wanted to mention that a few
keys for thriving let me just give a
couple of this at the end here
for thriving i can i can listen to these
seven things i'll just say just do
if we can do these things this will be
really important
really helpful number one meditate every
day
number two take time to connect with
your dreams and the inner wisdom that
comes from dreams
number three cultivate a very positive
mentality it's important to
wake up every morning and give thanks as
your first thought and throughout the
day
see the beauty around you see the beauty
within you see the beauty in others
cultivate a positive internal
environment
and number four to just take risks and
try new things be creative
it's really important to you know
cultivate creativity
uh and number five connect with um
nature like i said every day do
something take your shoes off connect
with the earth
take a swim notice the sky do some
gardening
run around connect with nature breathe
that's so important number six
cultivate relationships that are
full of love and appreciation don't be
the one
waiting for someone else to say that
they love you
be the ones say it you know we're the
ones when we express
love and appreciation for others then we
create
a world of love and appreciation we can
do that we can really help other our
words matter
uh we're taught in many ways to withhold
love and appreciation
if someone doesn't do what we want them
to do or whatever
so the whole idea is that out of the
the bind of the ego which
has this talent you know tallying all
the time how much love i'm giving out
how much i'm getting
and just be a lover be a giver be
make relationships i'm telling you
stress the biggest stress people have is
their relationship
and if we're in toxic uh stressful
relationships we're going to be taught
we're going to be stressed out
if we're in loving joyful supportive
relationships we're going to feel great
and we're going to give that to others
so
this is really important that goes all
these interrelate they all connect
more to connect with nature the more we
connect with creativity write some
poetry every day or
play some music or dance around or do
some art do something creative
and then finally the last thing number
seven is compassion
uh obviously like i said earlier growing
vegan but go beyond being vegan go
organic
don't buy stuff with pesticides
herbicides fungicides
grow veganic you know we have a veganic
garden here and
we love it i mean we're no bone meal no
blood meal no manure as much as possible
agriculture and a way of living that
does not exploit animals in any way
the more we can do that the more happy
we'll be the more healthy we'll be the
more our relationships will
prosper the more easy it will be for us
to meditate to be quiet
and so forth do you will by any chance
do you use your own
uh experiment like a humanoid and urine
um
we're experimenting with that i mean i'm
not supposed to say because
um where i live you know we're not
supposed to let people know what we're i
mean
we're not like the rules and regulations
here are don't really allow that so i
don't like always publicly
but we recite i'll just say we recycle
everything
we recycle all of our you know our
compost and everything and it's
it's really um it's a wonderful thing in
order to just create a whole system
of recycling and um not you know throw
away the minimum amount
obviously that's really helpful and we
don't try not to buy stuff that's
plastic and that kind of thing too right
um so just to last a couple questions um
so you think i mean
we know that the solution is veganism
and to go deeper than
veganism as you talk about in the deep
vegan stages
um right but do you think do you think
one solution could also be to create a
new entirely new
world community away from society
right well because we know that
governments we know that governments and
industry and institutions are not really
working any longer
so why not just create a new completely
new world
i think it's a beautiful vision and uh i
love you know i
i went vegetarian originally and vegan
also
be being inspired by people who had
created communities on the land
like the farm in tennessee back in 1975
which was a big you know about a
thousand people creating like you're
saying in a way creating
their own community on the land and
raising their own kids and teaching them
and
birthing them and doing everything you
know and of course the government
attacked it brutally the pharmaceutical
industry attacked it brutally and
it's still going but it's not as
idealistic as it was
um but i think uh and and and you know
in a lot of spiritual communities like
living in a zen monastery
where it was very similar i mean you
this was you know thousands of years
they had created a
a monastery kind of community where
it was independent in many ways from the
government and they have their own
sort of internal justice thing and their
own internal health and their internal
food money everything so um so that's
you know
it has it is important i think uh
however we can do it you know i think
um creating something uh
completely outside of government uh if
it's possible
uh to do it you know i mean go for it
there's there's people for example in
russia there's a movement called the
anastasia movement in russia
uh in other countries too where people
get together
either not only their own household but
sometimes 10 20 50
100 households and everybody owns a
couple of acres of land and they
they have their own schools and they
they're doing that uh
sending independently from the
government they're being self-sufficient
this is an all this is an ancient idea
if we can be more self-sufficient
for energy and for food and for
education and you know everything
then we can create something that we
feel reflects our own
uh healthy strivings and not be
at the mercy of these forces within
personal forces that want to dominate
and exploit us
so i think it's a great idea you know
anything you can do to create an
alternative and and then maybe network
those
because this this other system is is
corrupt and it's crumbling
uh in many ways and i think it's
important not to get caught
up in it if possible not to be crushed
in the as it falls down
to find ways to do that yeah because
there's so many people out there
especially including vegans who want to
like reform the system oh let's you know
vote and get a new politician or
a new president and let's do all these
things to try
to you know improve the system but i i
don't think
my my view i don't think we can ever
improve it because we've been doing that
for such a long time and
here we are in the biggest mess ever so
so as uh as vegans and vegan advocates
or animal rights activists what else can
we do
to thrive uh particularly with our
finances
how is going to be at this time because
a lot of people are even committing
their
committing their lives like they're
they're committing suicide they're
you know they're taking their lives
they're uh
have to unfortunately have to close
their
businesses and there's a lot of people
that are just
yeah there's really a horrendous amount
of
suffering out there so what can we do
individually
to share this message with the world uh
pertaining to the pandemic but also
veganism
and also how can we thrive financially
wow yeah yeah good really good questions
you know i think
uh you're right i mean this what this
pandemic is essentially is an economic
um it's an economic thing they're
basically
squeezing everyone economically
and um the the drug thing you know the
the
the virus is just a cover for that it's
basically an economic
way to squeeze people and you're right
it's causing
an awful lot of suicide drug addiction
alcoholism spousal abuse child abuse
um imprisonment mental institution
i mean so it's very hard when whenever
there's unemployment and
uh and these kind of financial uh
stresses people people are going to be
out on the streets i mean millions upon
millions of people in the next few
months
because they can't pay the rent anymore
probably i mean that's
that's unfortunate it's so um uh i think
it's like like the the whole point i
guess
is to do the inner work to
um see why did how i want to live this
life
and uh find a niche i think that's
you know the thing that most people do
is find a niche
that i love and serve in that niche you
know do some give in that niche give
something of value
and be willing to not be paid for it
just
be a volunteer and do it every day you
know volunteer to help animals or to
help people do vegan cooking or to help
people
garden or to help people whatever it is
just
you know involve being a volunteer
that's kind of what i did i mean i
i i just was playing the piano for
different things and um
didn't want to get paid but gradually i
started getting paid
and you know different things madeline
we used to buy people's cards and then
that'll start making cards and now we
sell
art cards we sell music
books you know i started i was buying
books and i started writing my own books
and then
people bought them i mean you gotta you
gotta just find a niche that you
love and then be willing to work hard
be persistent and put it out there and
be creative and
meditation is so important because what
meditation does it connects you to your
own unique
path in life your unique inner
guidance system our best friend
our absolute best friend is our inner
guidance system our
our intuition that helps us to live our
unique life success has
nothing to do with how much money we
have success is everything to do
with living our life and making our
contribution and realizing that every
lifetime
is different you have you really have to
get out of this idea that we only have
one life
we live many lives and maybe in some
life i've chosen
in a sense or i want to be i'm going to
be a really rich and wealthy
and i'm going to deal with all the
challenges that come from that and other
lifetime i might be you know a poor
mother on the street with seven kids you
know and
there's a lot of joy and learning that
can come from that it's not that
and that can be more successful than
somebody that's got a lot of money
and is miserable or doesn't learn much
so it's all about
learning this lifetime is for learning
we're connecting with
who we are at a deeper level beyond
the cultural program and helping others
the more we can help others and give our
own and give of our gifts that's what
real success is that's what gives us
something
you know joy feeling of joy joy really
our true nature right i i see
i see this whole system as very
i don't know insane or something because
of the fact that
if you take a look at the animal kingdom
out
in nature they just live their lives
you know in harmony cooperation they
don't
have what we have police guards and
and you know government and monetary
system and all this kind of stuff and
sometimes
uh even myself i feel kind of depressed
in some way because i have to earn a
living
just to share the message of compassion
and love and veganism to people
and it's like how do we kind of cope
with that
if we if we really don't want to be in
the system
right well that's it that's the uh
that's the challenge
you know and you and every one of us
responds in our own unique way
there's different ways you know at one
point in my life i thought i'm going to
escape all of this and become a monk you
know when i was a monk it was great
i couldn't get paid to meditate i didn't
have to work a job i just meditate
get paid get food i mean that was it
but then i realized i wanted to
uh be back actually in the world to
share some ideas so i
left and i never knew where i was going
to get any money i mean quite honestly i
just made it up
i was you know i think the thing is to
um you got to meditate and you got to
connect with an inner the inner guidance
system
that will have will give great ideas
about this
that and the other and uh and and be
willing to
just forge our own unique path in the
world to make our own
unique journey and not look to other
people how they did it i mean
there's other people can really help us
you know having positive role models is
you know fantastic
but really just trying to surround
ourselves with people of um
of like mind who are inspiring you know
what more than anything that's probably
i should have said that is
right association you know we become
like the people we hang out with so
really be very aware of that and and
hang and just try to spend time with
either directly or online or
through books of people that you feel
are inspirational
and uh you can learn from them and
you're in
in there they're uplifting for you and
and
then you'll find i think your life
begins to unfold that's really what i
ended up doing i ended up just looking
for spiritual teachers
and finding amazing incredible teachers
that helped
open my mind and heart to so many more
things that are invisible to most people
but it was because i had that yearning
and i took time to meditate you know to
to just actually not just run around but
just sit quietly and
and see what's the right thing for this
being to do for this time
that's the challenge and it is a big
challenge i understand
right so the main thing would be
for majority of people or all people
would be
to have some kind of meditative practice
and
do that every single day right and then
let that
guide them to what they should uh how
they're going to spend their time or
what they're going to be watching
or reading or who they're going to be
being with
to really be aware wake up be conscious
take every day as a precious opportunity
most of us
unfortunately are living our life asleep
we're just
following a program that was injected
into us by our parents and teachers and
the culture
and we're just we're just a product of
this program and we're not happy of
course we're not happy because we're
we're not living our life and so going
vegan is a great step because it helps
us
like you know break from the food but we
got to keep going
you know we got to break in so many
other ways sexually is a big thing too
you know just you learn to see beings as
beings to get get off this whole
sexual weirdness in our society
um completely and and connect with
nature and the beauty of nature
and the beauty of our creativity and uh
and really transform our consciousness
if we do that
we don't have to worry about money the
money will come whatever is needed
uh if we're giving forgiving and sharing
and
and putting it out it'll come back it
will come back
excellent i mean the best thing is if
you're out of money then give some away
right excellent thank you so much for
that whole thing is there
anything last closing thoughts you want
to comment on maybe
your books you want to talk about your
website all that kind of stuff
i'll just say uh again thank you michael
thanks everyone if you want to
stay in touch with us madeline and i uh
we are
we're based now in northern california
we have a website worldpiecediet.com
or will tuttle.com kind of go to the
same place we have a youtube channel now
we're doing quite a lot of youtube
videos of our garden of netherlands
cooking some of my lectures
and interviews and music and other
things
we have a tour schedule i think i've
probably arguably anyway
traveled and given more lectures
promoting veganism than anyone in the
history of the world
and um i just think about that the other
day like over 4 000 lectures in 50
countries in 50 states we've been
everywhere
seems like giving lectures doing this
for like i say like for the last 40
years
so i we've done that and uh we can't
really do that anymore because we don't
want to go on airplanes if we have to
wear masks and things so i'm not sure if
we're going to be traveling much anymore
but if we can and we can come and visit
you in your area
otherwise just stay in touch i guess by
by the internet wow thank you so much
will for being on here being the shining
light
who you are and for everything that you
do
and um yeah we really appreciate you
because
uh you are the beacon the
the father of veganism as
a lot of people say your book is the is
the vegan bible so
thank you so much for all that you do i
always follow you for all your work
i've read your book several times and
um also last thing uh talk about the
world peace diet facilitator training
for people who are
might be interested in that right well
thanks yeah we do have if you go to
worldpress.com we have an online
training it's self-paced uh it's very
reasonably priced and if you want to
just go
deeper into these ideas the ideas in the
world peace diet
and how we can not only um thrive
as vegans in a not yet vegan world but
also be effective in our advocacy and
really embody
what veganism is as ahimsa or
non-violence in our lives uh please
check it out and we have a every month
on the third thursday of every month we
have a a call
like like we're having now a phone call
where you can ask me any questions it's
everybody who's gone through the
training or or who is going through the
training
and people who have gone through the
training have gone on to do wonderful
things like michael
and many other people writing books or
having
animal sanctuaries or blogs or making
movies or
being coaches and things so there's lots
of ways it is important and a lot to
talk about with how we can
also uh support ourselves financially by
doing what we love to do
and helping make the world a better
place by being a giver so thank you
michael thank you very much
thank you again once again will cuddle
for being on here
and being the shining light uh because
there are probably thousands or millions
of people that really
are grateful to all that you do and of
course the animals
non-human animals as well and myself and
all the vegans
on this call uh tonight uh
this afternoon and um it's
so grateful that you were able to come
on this call so thank you once again
great thank you michael thanks everyone
look forward to staying in touch
thanks okay bye-bye
okay everybody we're back here
so thank you for that very long
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uh is how to thrive as vegan advocates
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please do so and uh
just have a few more things because this
is going on to almost two hours now
and i'd like to keep this between an
hour and two usually
uh preferably an hour and an hour and a
half but i know there's just
so much that we have to
we want to say in so little time
and so yeah you know sometimes it's
really not the way we say things but the
way
um or what we say but the way we say it
and as it is said that if you're
if a buddha or jesus came walking into a
room
they wouldn't really need to say
anything because they're so highly
conscious and uh spiritually elevated
that the
energy would be transferred you know to
the
people in the room so just their
presence basically
is what would give off their
shiny shining light so
i want to thank everyone for being here
i want to thank again
my uh most
grateful friend and mentor
and human being in this world will
turtle i want to thank him for all he
does i want to thank
all of you too because all of you
are and can be
the example that we want to see in the
world we don't need
leaders every individual vegan is a
leader
every individual person and being
is a leader um
thank you aurora for the lovely comment
thank you michael for all the beautiful
vegan work
and thank you two for what you do
because i know aurora
has uh her
own kind of vegan catering service
and it's so great um if she wants to
come on to say a few words about
what she's doing in colombia to share
veganism with people
she can press star sixth or she can
unmute herself
if she wants um
let me see if i can unmute her
oh hi aurora i just wanted to
hi would you like to be on the call
hello everybody uh i just wanted to
uh talk a little bit about what you're
doing
and your your vegan catering service
that you provide
well here in latin america especially
in the caribbean city still in the
culture
people eat a lot of meat and animals are
mis illustrator you know i am not very
aware
so basically what we're doing are
some activities and spreading
this message to people and showing
uh all the suffering of animal
produce and also
we do some cooking some delicious vegan
meals
and we share with people and
um they they have the opportunity to to
try
all all our typical food
and international food just completely
vegan
so they get surprised that it's tasty
awesome and it's ethical
so basically this and we're working hard
because
sometimes people they just think that
they're gonna die if they don't eat meat
but yeah it's a joke basically
thank you say
thank you aurora for all that you do uh
where can people find you if they want
to
contact you or if they live in your area
how can they get food from you
can you talk talk about that
can you can you talk about please can
you talk about
how people can find you
about what how people can find you
can you give them your contact
information if they wanna
okay well i have an instagram page
it's called verde audora and
basically i have some vegan products
with a meal
pair sometimes some recipes and
also my my own facebook audra ananda
and still i don't have this beautiful
page as you have for this
kind of radio shows still i'm
i'm not too good with technology i'm
learning
so basically i have just instagram and
facebook
okay thank you so much for what you do
and everybody here for what you do um
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