

### Human Relationships

### The World's Definition Of Love

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Session 2

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### This ebook is a transcript of a seminar delivered on 10th September 2011 in Murgon, Australia by AJ Miller (who claims to be Jesus) as part of the Human Relationships series. In this seminar Jesus discusses the differences between the world's definition of love and God's definition of love, such as; love is never painful, love is never demanding, and love is not justice. In this talk Jesus also describes the process of how to come to learn God's definition of love in our souls by releasing fear and other emotional errors.

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Table of Contents

### The World's Definition of Love: Session 2, Part 1

1. Introduction

2. The cause and effect of loving behaviour

2.1. Trying to become more loving through the intellect is fighting our own nature

2.2. An example of attracting controlling older men

2.2.1. Speaking the truth takes us closer to the cause

2.3. Dealing with the cause automatically changes the effect

2.4. An example of a woman who is unsure how to behave and express herself

2.5. Being in truth about our feelings

3. Working through terror to become more loving

3.1. Terror of parental violence

3.2. Living in terror vs. feeling terror

3.2.1. Terror is the cause of many Law of Attraction events

3.3. Choosing to feel terror prevents us acting out in rage

3.3.1. Spirits influence us out of our terror

3.3.2. We are able to release any emotion that has entered us

3.3.3. Beliefs that prevent us from feeling fear and terror

3.4. Working through blockages to feeling terror

3.4.1. Feeling the addiction

3.5. Bodily responses to avoiding and feeling fear and terror

3.6. Contrary to the worldview, it's unloving to take people out of their emotions

4. Dealing with the full extent of terror and trauma in our souls

4.1. Faith and courage help us to fully feel the trauma and terror within us

5. Love is much more powerful than fear, terror and anger

5.1. An example of spirits who control the Chinese government

5.2. God views love as the greatest and most powerful emotion

5.2.1. Releasing terror is necessary to learn that love rules

5.3. Love creates change

5.4. Love is not vulnerable

5.5. Love brings everything to us

5.6. Love is childlike and spontaneous

6. Summary of Session 2, Part 1

### The World's Definition of Love: Session 2, Part 2

7. The world's vs. God's definition of love

7.1. Love is never painful

7.2. Love is never demanding

7.3. Love is never sacrifice

7.4. Love is not justice

8. Coming to accept God's view of love

8.1. An illustration of loving somebody who does not love us back

9. Discerning between addictions and love

9.1. Happiness can be derived from love or from addictions being met

9.2. Discerning Divine Love from feelings from spirits

9.2.1. God's Love is not selective and will never feed addictions

9.2.2. God's Love causes us to grow in love

9.2.3. Discerning addictions vs. love

9.2.4. Reasons for feeling afraid of confusing God's Love with feelings from spirits

9.3. An example of a lady discerning love from addictions in a relationship

9.3.1. Being truthful and open

9.3.2. Truth binds relationships together

9.3.3. "Perfect" relationships when we're not at-one with God are addictive

9.3.4. Truthful relationships that include God brings people closer

10. Differences in learning God's view of love for reincarnated people vs. people in their first incarnation

10.1. Learning through the heart rather than intellectually

10.2. Earth changes do not affect progression on the Divine Love Path

11. Using Natural Love Path techniques to identify soul feelings

12. Receiving God's Love

12.1. Information in the Padgett messages about receiving God's Love

12.2. Soul attributes required to receive God's Love

12.3. An example of a man being driven to ask questions by a spirit

12.4. Developing God's definition of soul attributes

12.5. Developing God's way of learning through the soul

12.6. Developing a desire to truly see ourselves

13. Closing Words

13.1. Growing in love attracts others to the Divine Love Path

13.2. Difficulties in connecting in a relationship with fear

Appendix: Seminar Outline

The World's Definition of Love: Session 2, Part 1

1. Introduction

When we were down in Melbourne one of the talks that we did was a talk about love, and the world's definition of love. It was part of The Human Relationships series of talks and it's called the "The World's Definition of Love Q&A". Today, in session 2, I'd like to present some more information about the world's definition of love and compare that with God's definition of love.

Now one of the things I mentioned in the introduction to that talk was that the world thinks it knows what love is. If you added up all the songs that have ever been sung, and it's only a guess because I don't know for certain, I'd say the majority of them are about love in some way, either about broken hearts or love in some other way. The world has this viewpoint that it knows exactly what love is, that everybody on the planet has an inbuilt tuner and we're all tuned in to love. Unfortunately that's not the case, but that's what we sometimes believe.

The world also thinks it knows what love does and unfortunately if that were the case, you would think there would be no wars on this planet, you would think there would be very little pain associated with love on the planet, and so forth, so the reality is quite different from what we all believe. I find it interesting that all of us as individuals believe we know what love is, but the world is in an unloving mess. Now that doesn't make much sense to me. I don't know about you but for each of us as an individual to basically say, "Well I know what love is, it's all of you that don't know," and then the next person says, "I know what love is and it's all of you that don't know," and everyone in the world is basically saying that; that we all know what love is but it's you guys that don't know, when the reality is the world is a reflection of the lack of love that obviously exists within our soul. [00:03:38.24]

We also have the world thinking that it knows what love feels like. So if you have a nice warm sensation in your heart area then it must be love. Isn't that the case? "It must be love, love, love." (AJ sings) And so we think that certain feelings are associated with love and yet the reality is if we really analyse what's going on between ourselves and another person, many times it's just that our addiction got met rather than it actually being some kind of loving transaction where no addiction gets met. So oftentimes we think we know what love feels like and oftentimes it's feeling like something just made us feel happier or made us feel more joyful and so forth, but if we get underneath it we start seeing that actually there are some addictions in play. So that's the general feeling that we often have. So that's what the world thinks.

What do you think? Many of you have been listening now for a couple of years, and you've been listening to a lot of talks, and many of the talks are about love. Now how are you going practising love in your own day-to-day life? Can you see we can intellectually receive a lot of information about something but practising love in our day-to-day life is a lot more difficult than just hearing the words and trying to put those words into action? And this is the problem we face. The problem we face is that for ourselves to be able to practice love there needs to be a change inside of the heart that causes it to occur. There needs to be something that changes inside of us in our heart that causes us to automatically be able to put love into practice, rather than having to work at it constantly. [00:06:26.24]

And I feel what's been happening for many of you, is that you have been trying to put love into practise without letting go of the underlying emotion that drives a different behaviour. So what I would like to do is just talk for a moment about this with you before we start discussing more about what the world thinks about love. And I would like to talk about the issues of cause and effect for a little while.

2. The cause and effect of loving behaviour

It's like a cycle between cause and effect.

If there is an emotional cause inside of me that causes me to be unloving towards another person in a certain situation, then dealing with the effect of that is only going to be a temporary response because the cause still remains within myself. So while I am here sitting here in our auditorium feeling a certain emotion towards you, that emotion now generates my speech, it generates my thoughts and it generates my actions. Now as it's doing that I can choose to intellectually look at my thoughts, look at my speech and look at my actions and choose to change them in that moment from an intellectual perspective.

2.1. Trying to become more loving through the intellect is fighting our own nature

Many of you are doing this in your day-to-day life because you have a feeling inside of you of, "I want to be more loving," and I try then to put the principles of love that I think I've learned, but I've actually only got an intellectual database of inside of my brain, so I try to then put this intellectual knowledge into day-to-day practice.

And as I try to put the knowledge into day-to-day practice I find that certain events come up, because of course my soul will attract these events, and as the events come up I intellectually say, "Ah here's an area where I need to be careful because last time I did this, last time I did that and that wasn't very loving. So this time what I'm going to do is something different to that. I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that." So you go off and you try to do those things that you've intellectually decided you'll do, but the problem is unless the unloving causal emotion, the actual reason why you would normally take a certain action is released from within you, unfortunately you're going to be fighting your own nature.

And many of you are finding this, and when you are trying to fight your own nature and trying to change the effect through an intellectual decision, do you know what path you're on? It's called the Natural Love Path. Now many of us are still on the Natural Love Path because we don't yet understand in our heart, and some of us yet to even understand here in our head, that unless we deal with the emotional cause of unloving behaviour the effect is always going to be an unloving action, word or speech unless my intellect kicks in and tells me not to do that and I try to do something different.

And that's where many of us are at, because we're yet to be prepared to address the emotion or the belief. Remember all beliefs are emotional, they have some way of entering us as an emotion, and we're somehow not addressing the belief or the emotion that is inside of our heart that causes us to take that action.

Now perhaps if I give a few examples of this.

2.2. An example of attracting controlling older men

Let's say the effect is every time I get with an older man I always seem to attract him telling me what to do. When I get with an older woman she doesn't do that, but whenever I speak with an older man, he always does it, without fail, and then inside of me, because he's telling me what to do, there's this feeling that comes up of, "He's telling me what to do again," and all of a sudden we start feeling like, "I don't like him very much he always tells me what to do." So now there's the lack of love starting to boil up inside of our soul, inside of our feelings. [00:12:03.12]

Now when we use our mind, what we do is this, we go, "Yeah, I can't tell him that though, I can't tell him that he's trying to control me, because then he might be angry with me and I don't want him to be angry with me." Or, "What if I'm wrong, what if I tell him he's trying to control me and he says, 'no, I'm not trying to control you', what do I do then? Then I'll look like I've got egg on my face and it will be very uncomfortable emotionally, if we feel a bit ashamed of ourselves".

So I want to avoid my shame. So I'm starting to avoid emotions; I'm avoiding shame, the potential for being ashamed or being shamed or humiliated, I'm avoiding the potential for the other person's anger or rage being projected at me and so now see how already my mind has already begun this process of changing my own natural behaviour, which would be harmonious with truth or love, into avoiding some of my own personal emotions.

So what do I say to him? I go, "Oh yeah, no worries, Oh yeah, I get that, no worries." And all the while I'm thinking inside, "Gee I'm sick of listening to this guy, he's always telling me what to do." I've got a completely different message going on inside of me to outside of me. Outside of me he's just hearing the words, "Yes, yes." And I'm checking my watch, and there is this feeling inside of me that I just want to get away from this person, I don't want to be with him anymore. But outside I go, "Yes, no worries. Oh, my wife's just come; I've just got to go and speak with her."

Now what have I done? I have decided to be completely untruthful with that person, and of course every time I'm untruthful I'm also being unloving. I've decided to be untruthful by not portraying to them exactly what I am feeling. The reality is, if I was being truthful, I'd just say, "Can you just stop for a moment, the feeling I have inside of me is annoyance and I feel annoyed because it feels like you're telling me what to do again and I'm tired of listening to that now." That would be more reflective of what's really inside of me, but because I'm afraid of potential shame or humiliation or potential anger from him or another emotion, and I'm afraid of how I'm going to cope with that, so I don't address the cause, and instead I focus on dealing with the effect. I've got this man approaching me and he's telling me what to do and my way of handling it is to listen, say yes, and then try to get away from him as soon as possible, which is actually me being completely false. [00:15:32.00]

Participant: I think that the man trying to control you is still not a cause. There's a reason why the man's trying to control you.

No, what I'm saying is there's an emotional cause inside of your soul that opens you to the potential control of another male.

Participant: So even saying you're annoyed, I mean it's moving towards the cause but it's not really addressing the full cause is it?

I agree totally but how can we move towards the cause while we're even denying the truth? We can't.

Participant: Yeah, I'm just wondering because I've seen a lot of people make accusations that are so filtered by their own wounds.

I agree totally yeah and that is not addressing the cause either, that's just dealing with other emotional effects isn't it?

Mary: I feel it's a very good point that has just been made by someone because I feel that we must first own our annoyance as in this is my feeling right now, because otherwise it's very easy to get into blaming and this speaking truth that is not actually speaking it. If I say you're just controlling me, I'm very far away from truth because the truth is my feeling is that I feel controlled. [00:17:12.28]

However I am a step towards truth...

Mary: That's what I was going to say.

...than from total denial.

Mary: Exactly, but I have to go to that place before I discover God's Truth about the situation because it may be in the end that you are controlling me, but while I'm having an emotional response, the first truth I need to consider is, "what is my feeling?"

Yeah you see this is what I want to say to the group; we need to stop all of this intellectual stuff and just feel and correctly reflect the feeling. So the initial feeling is he's being controlling, that's the initial feeling I have. Now I'm nowhere near the truth of what's causing me to feel that at this point, it's just a feeling that I have inside of me; he's being controlling.

2.2.1. Speaking the truth takes us closer to the cause

Now if I allowed myself to feel that, but even better if I say that and feel that without blaming the other person, without attacking them, I am closer to the truth. You see this is where most of us go wrong. We initially go, "You're being controlling," and now we're attacking them and we're actually now projecting rage at them, which is actually worse than controlling, in terms of the scale of unloving behaviour; rage is much lower in the condition of love than being controlling. So the reality is that we're now not only saying what we feel is the truth but we're now actually giving them a dose back, which is actually unloving behaviour. [00:18:45.19]

But if we felt like he's being controlling and we just stopped and stated, "I feel controlled. I feel in this discussion I'm feeling controlled." I am at least one step further along the chain of truth and therefore one step closer to my true emotional condition than I am by not saying the words.

Now I can feel controlled but he might not be controlling me because of something deeper inside of myself that I need to discover. But at least if I say the words, "I feel controlled in this situation and the reality is I also feel like running away from you and the reality is I don't feel like having this conversation," rather than thinking them without saying them, we would be one step closer to discovering the truth about the emotion than we would have been before then.

But you see what most of us do is we feel the feeling but we don't actually say anything, so from that point on we're cut off from the process of discovering the cause. And if the cause remains within my heart without ever being discovered it's now impossible for me to ever really change without trying. I have to try again to change rather than change being a natural process. [00:20:43.07]

2.3. Dealing with the cause automatically changes the effect

So if we're finding, in terms of becoming more loving, that we have to try to be more loving, then what I'm suggesting to you is that you're in the wrong process. The correct process would be to remove the cause of why we're not more loving and as soon as we remove the cause, the action will automatically change. It's cause and effect; the action is going to automatically change and when the action automatically changes I won't have to try anymore because it's a natural thing for me now to be more loving in that interaction. I don't have to try hard to be more loving, it just comes naturally from my own actions and from my own words and from my own thoughts even.

And in fact I don't even have to notice my thoughts anymore, I don't have to notice and intellectualise my feelings anymore and I don't have to actually watch what I say anymore because everything coming out of my mouth and every action I'm taking is in harmony with the new condition, and the new condition is loving, and so therefore every word that comes out of my mouth will be loving and every action I take will be loving. How much does that simplify your life?

2.4. An example of a woman who is unsure how to behave and express herself

Participant: I could get really emotional even trying to talk about this because when I've been listening to you for two and a half plus years now and I worked out most of this for myself. I've come to situations again and again and I don't know how to talk to somebody because by the time I understand that, I'm already really upset and so I already know that I'm projecting, my brain turns to marshmallow, I can't remember what to say and I don't know how to hold the space, hold myself as an independent entity and have a conversation that remains loving. That happens with Raj again and again and I know that I'm already upset, I'm already projecting and I'm lost in the emotion.

Well what you're describing is a big emotion, called fear, and obviously we need to feel our fears.

So you're finding yourself unable to speak, thinking, "I can't speak to you anymore because I have this feeling inside of me." When I first met Mary I was like that and I couldn't speak. Anything that came out of my mouth seemed to make no sense whatsoever and so I thought it was better to shut up. But you can still feel the fear of it inside of you and still access the emotion. So the reality is you don't have to even say the words if you're already in the emotion, but you certainly do need to say the words if you're thinking something and you're thinking of taking an action that is completely different to what you're actually feeling.

So what I am saying to you is stay in the truth verbally and intellectually and emotionally of what you're feeling. Stay in the truth of that. If you stay in the truth of that you will then be able to see how out of harmony you are and that's great because if you can see how out of harmony you are, you can then address it emotionally by feeling the emotion that's underneath it. So I feel if you're feeling the fear that's fine, feel that fear. [00:24:14.07]

Participant: Well, sometimes it's a whole spectrum of emotions. Sometimes I mean immediately after fear is usually anger.

Ah, but remember fear is not after anger. Anger suppresses fear. So if I'm feeling fear and then I revert to anger, now I am definitely denying the truth of what's going on inside of me. Anger is not after fear; anger is the suppression of fear, or the suppression of the addiction that keeps the fear under control.

Participant: I understand you intellectually. I just can't work out how to do it in practice. And I seem to have a capacity to project. It's like many miles an hour and everybody's upset and then I haven't got a clue what the hell to do.

Yep I agree, however what I'm suggesting to you is to learn to just speak the truth of how you feel at any one moment. Reverting to anger is always telling you that you're covering over an addiction and it has to be a pretty big addiction if you're always going back to the same behaviour. So pray about the addiction, that's all you need to do.

2.5. Being in truth about our feelings

I feel a lot of us are intellectualising this process far too much. To me it's pretty basic. You tell the truth of everything you think at every moment if you're able to, in terms of the situation enables you to. I'm not saying if the people enable you to, I mean if the situation does. So if you see something happening five hundred metres over there and you're having a feeling, it's going to be pretty hard to say the truth to the person over there five hundred metres away; the physical situation disallows it. However you can certainly say the truth to the person next door, "Wow I just saw that thing over there and yeah, he's a bastard, that's how I feel." [00:26:28.00]

Now that's covering over a deeper emotion. But if I go, "Ah did you see that happening over there? I wonder why he did that, I wonder what's going on for him. I wonder what kind of things are going through his mind?' And all the time inside of me I'm going, "He's a bastard." Now I'm way away from truth. We need to learn to be in the truth of what we're feeling to get anywhere. We need to see it as it really is.

Participant: I found myself doing this with the other people that I work with, and I'm feeling how much I'm just hooking into them and I'm just realising how actually unloving I am by doing that. It's like I'm bitching all the time. Justin and I have started to be more honest about things and more honest about our judgements towards other people. I don't know really where I was going with that but I felt like your example there was an example of what's going on for me in my life like at work.

I feel many in the audience are doing this on a daily basis, trying to intellectualise themselves through a process that the heart hasn't changed through yet. When you try to do that you're not actually being even honest about what is really in your heart. To really change you need to have a very good look at the mirror of the emotions.

So many of you check yourself out in the mirror every day, don't you? Or you try not to nowadays? (Laughter) So what you do is you check yourself out in the mirror and usually it's for correction isn't it? You go, "There's a big cocky crest sitting up there, I'd better wet that one down." You check things out so that at least you know you look relatively presentable. And we don't do this in the same manner with our soul, what we do is we have these things running through our emotional state like things where, "I don't like her, I don't like him. "He's alright because he gave me something." We have all these things going on inside of us but we're not really honest about what's driving every one of them, and this is where when we can learn to say what we feel. Then we're at least being a step closer to the state of true honesty and therefore a step closer to love. [00:29:36.24]

Participant: Something I have noticed though is I'm taking that next step of being more honest but then realising how much I really don't actually want to change.

Yes. And we need to be honest about that too. So admitting, "I don't want to be more loving, I just want to be angry, I just want to be upset," allowing yourself to feel that you just want to be whatever it is that you're in, is a much more honest place than maintaining a façade, but feeling all of that anyway. It's a much more honest place, but it's not a much more loving place, it's only a slightly more loving place obviously.

Participant: I find I'm very sensitive now and my own feelings get mixed up with what's coming at me, what I'm sending out and I hit a pocket of pain. Is the pain the same as the causal?

Not always, Jen, but you're heading in the right direction, if you're allowing yourself to feel your own pain rather than push that pain onto others, but it might not be the causal. You see the reality is the world's beliefs or definition about love have rubbed off on us, so therefore a lot of our beliefs of what love would do are actually false. We often believe love will do a certain thing and then we feel pain of that not happening, when the reality is our belief was false in the first place.

So just because we feel pain it doesn't mean all of a sudden that we're going to find a causal emotion but we are at least closer to finding the cause of what's going on within us. If we're projecting our pain by harming, or trying to harm, or trying to shut down, or trying to control, or trying to be more angry with someone around us, now we are nowhere near the cause, we're not even at the point of feeling our own pain let alone understanding what its cause is. You could say the effect is the pain that we feel and the cause is usually deeper than that. [00:32:28.23]

3. Working through terror to become more loving

Participant: So I find when I reach the pain I freeze up. So I'm kind of oscillating between terrified and overwhelmed but I hit the pocket of pain and I seem to kind of go around in a circle and then I shut it all down.

And I feel many are doing that. What's happening is they hit their fear and they don't want to bodily experience their fear or their terror. Many of you are in this place where you hit your terror or your fear but you don't want to actually feel that emotion, because it's one of the worst emotions you could actually feel. In fact if you can learn how to feel your terror there is little other emotion that you're going to have trouble with. But it's your terror that is the most difficult emotion for you to experience. So if you can learn to feel your terror without getting out of it, you'll have accomplished a great deal in your work towards being more loving. [00:33:47.23]

You see every time we normally get terrified what we do is we shut down the feeling of terror within us and then as a result we are now in a rage or angry place, shutting down the terror, and we want everyone around us to do the same for us as what I've just done for myself. We want other people to stop triggering our terror. So many of us finish up projecting at our husbands or our wives, "How dare you do that, you shouldn't have done that," and really underneath of that we're just terrified of something, but we don't want to admit that and we don't, more importantly, want to feel it. So what we do is we get out of that terror, because terror feels very weak for the majority of us. In fact one of the most vulnerable places we could ever go emotionally is terror.

And in fact society has a lot of judgements about terror too by the way. You know you look at the average Vietnam veteran who comes back from Vietnam and is in a state of post traumatic stress and yet society doesn't allow him to go through that post traumatic stress as an emotion. So instead society gives him some medication, and usually he himself finishes up drinking or whatever just to stay away from the terror that he felt by going to war in that environment.

Now people view terror as weak. The physical expression of terror is something that most people feel very, very afraid of even being around let alone experiencing it themselves. So as a result of that they have a lot of judgements of terror and then of course where do you go? If you can't feel your terror what are you going to do? You're just going to get angry. You're going to get into a state where anger becomes a dominant emotion.

3.1. Terror of parental violence

So we need to allow the terror to be felt, not to intellectualise it. Many of us still try the intellectual process of, "I can see the reason why I got angry was because I was really afraid because that person reminded me of my mother who used to come along with a big stick and belt me." Now that's a lovely intellectual analysis of what might be the underlying emotional reason why you got angry. However it just did nothing for you, because it never got you into feeling the terror that you felt when your mother came with a stick to smack you. It never got you to that feeling and many of us have these feelings. The reality is within society and particularly within most Christian societies, which ours was more so twenty to fifty years ago than now, and in many religious societies parental violence towards children is an acceptable way of discipline. [00:36:53.10]

So you know I remember with my own sons sometimes I'd get a stick or a strap and if they did the wrong thing, I'd give them a whack and that was their punishment. The justification of it was, the Bible says "if you spare the rod you spoil the child." So I've got to do this even though I might not want to, many times because of the feeling.

Now how does a little child feel about that? I've got an adult with an angry look on their face with a weapon beating them, many times not just smacking them once but beating them in their rage. Isn't the result of that going to be this emotion, terror? So if that's the case, if this terror is the emotion that the child now has, what can the child now do with that? Now when we're an adult we can see that pretty much all of us who have had that kind of an upbringing, are at some point going to have to deal with terror. We're going to have to physically feel the emotion of terror and we're not going to get to the darker emotions like grieving emotions within us without experiencing and getting through our terrors at some point.

So we need to embrace the feeling of terror and allow ourselves to bodily feel that feeling when it comes up. So if we have an event that our soul attracts which, through the Law of Attraction, triggers this terror, we are better off going into the terror and experiencing the terror than we are coming into some kind of intellectual analysis of what just happened. Because as soon as we go into the intellectual analysis of what happened, we are now avoiding the terror through the intellect, which is never going to heal the terror: the terror is going to remain within us and therefore the terror will become a cause of many events in our lives, one after the other. Once the terror is gone as a cause, now it cannot generate any effects. I don't have to try now to avoid situations that might terrify me because the reality is no situation terrifies me anymore.

But as soon as I'm presented with that through a situation that triggers terror, I then go into a state where I de-tune from the situation, skip out of my body, step away from the situation, try to intellectualise myself over the situation, try to avoid the situation, I do hundreds of different things just to avoid the feeling of terror.

Now one of the world's definitions of love is that love helps you not feel emotions like that. There's this belief in the world, where if you were in an emotion of terror I would never say, "Go for it." I'd hold you, calm you down, make you feel safe, make you feel secure, make you feel like you'd never have to feel that emotion again. But there's a problem with that and that is if I don't feel the emotion, the emotion remains within me and so I am going to feel that emotion again, guaranteed, and this is the problem with that kind of belief system. [00:40:45.27]

3.2. Living in terror vs. feeling terror

Participant: Terror is a really big one for me and I do experience emotions or sensations in my body. Where I feel I'm getting confused is, Mary's referred to living in the terror rather than dealing with it so are there some distinctions there that can be made?

Sure. Living in the terror means that the terror now defines your actions.

So in other words, let's say somebody said, "Neena it's time for you to learn how to be in front of an audience. So what we're going to do is get you to come up here right now and talk for five minutes on a subject." And Neena's terror level just sky rocketed. So what happens now? Now Neena in that state can choose to avoid that feeling of terror and what would she do? [00:41:48.05]

Participant: Not get up and talk.

Exactly. So you are now living in the terror. In other words the terror has defined your next course of actions; that's when you're living in the terror. Or you could choose to get up and stand here dumb for five minutes because you can't open your mouth because you're so terrified and feel that emotion. And if the audience is accepting they'd possible accept that, depending how accepting the audience is, and that will allow you to go through that particular emotion. And if they don't then that would even increase your terror a bit more so you've got more to feel now, terror and humiliation at the same time, wonderful. (Smile)

So you can feel that too and so your terror, if you do that, is no longer defining your actions. In other words you're taking actions that are more loving even though the terror was pushing you in a different direction. Now if terror defines your actions, then you are living in your terror and you are not releasing it. The same goes with fear, the same goes with shame, and the same goes with any other emotion. If it defines your action and in particular causes you to take an action that's unloving, then obviously now you're living in it. [00:43:06.26]

Now this happens all the time for many of us. You've heard of claustrophobia, just a basic fear of confined spaces isn't it? So what does a person with claustrophobia normally do?

Participant: They avoid confined spaces.

They avoid confined spaces. Now they get to not experience the terror that is within them but you put them in a confined space and ironically God's Law of Attraction, from their own soul's injuries in operation, will actually attract an event that finishes up with them in a very confined space, like a sardine can space, and now there's all sorts of emotions that need to arise and it depends on what they do as to what will happen next. Now many of them will live in their action of terror and they'll scream, yell, do all sorts of things without actually feeling the terror itself. So the same goes with fear, the same goes with shame, it goes with all these other emotions. [00:44:15.16]

Now what Mary was referring to is that we need to stop living in it. In other words stop letting the emotion dictate the next action and instead just feel the emotion. Now many of us are not doing that either unfortunately; what we're doing is we're stopping our terror from dictating our action, but then what we do is we use this intellectual gymnastics that we have, and we do this intellectual flip over and before we know it we've got ourselves even away from the feeling of terror by using our intellect to explain away why we feel terrified, without actually feeling it. We do this quite frequently.

3.2.1. Terror is the cause of many Law of Attraction events

Now if we do that, the terror is the cause of many of our attractions. Much of our soul, if our soul is full of terror, it is attracting on a day-by-day, or often on an hour-by-hour basis, all these different events. And so it's the cause of many events, which we then try to avoid. So what happens in our life, the terror through dictating our actions creates a prison that we now live in of our own construction because we do not want to feel the emotion, and that's living in the emotion rather than experiencing it and releasing it and that's not what we're recommending to do. However that is what many of us are doing, many of us are doing that.

If we took a different tack and we chose to fully experience this terror and release all judgements that we have about it (and by the way the world has a lot of judgements about terror), if we chose to release all the judgements we have in the process, then we have the actual ability to completely erase from within our soul the feeling of terror. You imagine that. That will no longer define any action that you take. Now there is a sense of freedom that will result from that. There'll be complete freedom that results from that. [00:46:50.00]

And this is where we can try to be free but while we're carrying around terror in our soul, we can never be free. We can try to live an unashamed life but while we're carrying around shame within our soul, we will always have something that occurs that causes us to feel shame. That's the reality; it's the reality with every emotion we face.

Now the world thinks that it's loving to just deal with the effects, that is the state of the world, even in its thinking, and what I'm explaining to you is that we need to understand that unless we're willing to deal with the cause, we're not even loving ourselves, let alone loving anything else, because it's the cause that can be released from us that now can cause us to be completely loving once those things are released.

So if you can just imagine for a moment, if you had a life where terror or fear no longer motivated any of your choices or decisions, your life would be rapidly changing. Things would be happening very quickly in your life, things would be changing very rapidly. You would be attracting different events into your life as a result of living in your passions and your desires more. Things would happen so rapidly that you'd be going with your head spinning, going, "Wow life's pretty interesting. I'm not even planning my life and it's pretty interesting." That's what would be happening inside of you.

Terror creates a virtual prison in our lives

But as soon as the terror now takes the role of defining my actions, I have no chance of ever being free, I have no chance of ever getting to what is underneath terror, which is usually a lot of grief, and I've no chance of getting there. In fact there's a high likelihood I will revert to anger or rage in a situation as well, because I'm trying to shut down the cause of the anger or the rage, which is always the terror and the fear. [00:49:18.08]

3.3. Choosing to feel terror prevents us acting out in rage

Participant: There's been a murderer in my daughter's school. The paper wrote and said this mother, who stabbed her daughter and then jumped off the bridge, was not a demon but said that she was a loving mother. It's affected me quite a lot.

So a mother stabbed her daughter to death?

Participant: Yes.

And then jumped off a bridge and suicided? And the paper said?

Participant: That she's not a demon.

That she wasn't a bad person.

Participant: Yeah, and she's a caring mother and she's a loving mother and all of these things that the world thinks what love is and all that.

Yep. And is this behaviour was different to her normal behaviour; obviously she didn't have a string of daughters to kill.

Participant: She's apparently quite highly strung as a woman.

Right, so she had a history of being emotional, shall we say?

Participant: Yes.

Okay.

Participant: It's affected me and it's sort of like a realisation, like a terror, that I've been really angry with my daughter and what does it take to do this? I've been feeling my mother's rage, my own rage at her. It's really quite dark, and it's quite murderously angry so I can't see really a difference between me and this woman.

Yep, aside from the fact that you haven't taken the action.

Participant: No and I hope I wouldn't, but if I'm the same, the terror is, and I've been to terror quite often, I keep getting to it and it just can't there but I get closer.

But the terror is "you're going to do that?" The potential was there.

Participant: Yeah.

Okay and the question is?

Participant: If I keep trying to get to this terror because it's really big in me, I haven't got there I just keep getting closer, how do I get to it?

How do you get to your terror without reverting to this kind of behaviour? Is that your question?

Participant: Yeah because even though I might not do this, I project something out all the time because I'm in this terror.

Okay can I answer your question, Laurleen? If we understand the dynamic of what's going on with terror for many of us, and this is something that's very important to understand, is that the terror as I just mentioned earlier is usually covered over by addictions to help soothe the terror and then when those addictions are not met then there's rage. If it's terror, it's always rage. If it's fear, it's always anger. Can you see the difference in scale? Terror - rage; fear - anger. [00:52:51.05]

So the reality is if I have terror there's going to be a rage in me once I deal with my addiction. So my addiction might be that my children always do, say and feel everything I tell them to. That might be my addiction and while my addiction is being met that my children do, say and feel everything I say they should, now I will have no rage. But as soon as one of my children get into this state where they fight me, oppose me or whatever, now my addiction is not being met which covers my terror and now there is only one of two directions I can go. One direction is into my rage and the other direction is into my terror.

Now what I'm going to suggest to you is that if you always choose to take the direction of your terror, you will never get into rage and so therefore you could never do what this lady has done in her rage. And by the way, yes, there probably were spirits interfering with her and causing her to stay in this rage to such a point that she's ready to murder her own daughter and some spirits would have enjoyed her doing that. But the reality is if I'm willing to feel my addictions and go into my terror, even the spirit influence can no longer occur.

3.3.1. Spirits influence us out of our terror

However, when we go in this direction of feeling our addictions and our terror, there are many spirits around us telling us some messages that are untrue. One of those messages is, "You can't feel your terror." That's one of the messages that many of you get told: "You can't feel your terror, there's no way for you to actually release terror." So some of us get to our terror but then we have all these feelings from spirits going, "No you can't do this, you're not going to get through this, it's going to be too big, God's not going to help you get through this, you're all alone with this and you're going to do some damaging things if you let yourself do this." And by the time you've felt somebody yelling in your ear all of those things you're already in a rage, because they've just heightened your terror and put yourself back into the avoidance of your terror, unfortunately. [00:55:09.07]

3.3.2. We are able to release any emotion that has entered us

You need to allow yourself to stay in the terror and stop having this feeling, and this is a feeling that we do need to address; that we are unable to release an emotion that entered us. Now logically this cannot be true. If the emotion has logically entered us, then surely it has just the same ability to exit us. Surely, it can't enter us and then never be able to be released, that does not make any logical sense. And then if we add God to the equation, which oftentimes when we're in terror we don't, but the reality is that God is in the equation if we embrace that process with God. The reality is we can feel this terror without doing anything damaging either to ourselves or to another person. So we don't even have to worry.

Now many times spirits will come to you and they'll go, "If you do this you're going to kill your daughter," or they put that thought back in your mind because of something you saw on telly or so forth, the reality is it's just spirits having a play with you. Stay in the terror until it's released. Don't live in it but stay in it, like feel the emotion in your body; don't revert back to getting the addiction met or into the rage, that's all you need to do.

The only time that somebody can induce you or help you go and murder somebody is when you are prepared to avoid your terror and therefore go into rage: that's the only time that somebody can damage you. If you're prepared to feel your emotion then you will never get to rage, that's the reality. [00:57:05.27]

Now some of us do have childhood rage but let's face it, most of our rage doesn't feel like a child, it feels like an adult in its power trip trying to do something, and that's what I'm referring to here. It's the same principle with fear and anger; in between fear and anger is an addiction that when it doesn't get met we either have a choice to go to our fear or to our anger. Most of us still choose our anger. Why? Because we don't want to feel our fear, we don't want to. So we need to choose in a different direction. [00:57:47.15]

3.3.3. Beliefs that prevent us from feeling fear and terror

Now most of the time we don't want to feel fear and terror because of our beliefs about such emotions.

Our beliefs about such emotions are very dark beliefs. We actually believe we're not going to survive them, but there's no way you can't survive an emotion. An emotion is within your soul, you're already surviving it. It's there inside of you already, you're surviving it already. Coming out of you things are going to get better not worse. It's going to get better.

3.4. Working through blockages to feeling terror

Participant: When I get to the terror, I hop out of my body, this happens quite regularly. It takes quite an effort to stay in. I just want to know how to take the next step.

Stay in your body, pray to God that you want to stay in your body and feel the terror instead.

Participant: So what's happening then is that I'm actually lying, aren't I? Because I'm not doing it, though I think I'm praying and I'm trying to stay in my body and I'm praying, that means I'm actually lying because I'm not going to the terror. [00:59:07.25]

Don't be hard on yourself, there's no need to be hard on yourself. You obviously have a very strong reason for leaving your body, so accept that.

Participant: So then just keep praying.

Yes but also discover the reason, I'm saying. The only way you're going to discover any reason for doing anything is by accepting that you do it and discovering the reason why. So allow yourself to feel like you want to get out of your body and let yourself feel why. Let yourself feel it. Why do I want to get out of my body now? Why? And there will be the reason why you keep jumping out of your body, or stepping away from yourself. Just allow yourself to feel it. The answer is in every single situation - allow yourself to feel the emotion that's present, not the one you're trying to access.

You see many of us are doing that, we're going, "Ah, I've got some grief about my mum and how she treated me." And what's above my grief? Of course I've got some fears associated with my grief. What's over my fears? My addictions are over my fears and what's above my addictions? My anger or my rage. And what's above my anger? Denial, intellectual processing, denial, depression all of those kinds of things. So that's way, way up above the other emotions, so at any one point in time all I need do is feel the emotion that's present. [01:00:56.24]

3.4.1. Feeling the addiction

So for example, if I'm angry I know that I'm not feeling the addiction. I could choose to feel the addiction instead and not be angry. So how do you feel an addiction? You sit there, and if you were a smoker, how would you feel the addiction? What would you do? You'd sit with the cigarette packet on the table in front of you, feel this feeling come up and you allow your body to do its thing. Many of you, if you were a smoker giving up smoking looking at a cigarette packet in front of you, what would you feel? Many of you have done this so you know what to feel. And you feel the emotion, let yourself feel the emotion without taking the action, let yourself feel the addiction. "Wow, I need these cigarettes so much, that it feels like my life depends upon it, that's how big this addiction is. It feels like I'm prepared to yell at my wife, kick the dog, just because I haven't had my cigarette today." That's what it feels like. Let yourself feel it without acting upon it, feel it.

Now you're feeling the addiction. You are one step closer to feeling the fear that the addiction covers now. And I'm not saying intellectualise the addiction, I'm saying feel it. There's a big difference between thinking about the addiction and talking to everybody about the addiction than there is in feeling it. If you feel it you can now feel through the addiction, you can feel the addiction and how powerful it is and how it's affecting your life and all of these other things will start coming up for you, and then in this process the underlying fear will eventually get to your consciousness. You will become conscious of the underlying fear-based reason why the cigarette is so important to you; that's what a physical addiction is. You can do exactly the same with every emotional addiction. You can feel it in exactly the same way and then you'll get down through. [01:03:07.28]

So the process is allowing yourself to understand that if I'm in anger (and this is why I've talked to you about these things in the past) then I'm choosing not to feel my addictions; that's why I'm angry. I'm choosing to not feel my addictions and if I'm in my addictions I'm choosing to not feel my fear, that's the reality. So wherever you are, if you can acknowledge where you are, you can at least feel that level of emotion that's underneath that, which you're denying. Feel it rather than thinking it. If you don't feel it, you're not addressing the cause, you're addressing the effect; you're trying, you're going into the intellect and none of that is going to work, it's just going to drive you barmy. It's going to drive you nuts doing that.

You know many spirits on the process in the spirit world going from the first dimension to the sixth dimension have to do this intellectual process of trying, because they haven't discovered this other process. They do this other intellectual process of trying and you can talk to them two hundred years later and many of them still feel like they're still very close to what they were two hundred years ago. That's how long it takes to try; because you try, you might release a little bit of emotion. You try, you might release a little bit more, try, release a little bit more and you get this gradual release of different emotions that occurs as a result of trying. But you could just embrace the emotion and feel it completely and it'd all be over, and for many of the spirits one addiction would all be over within the equivalent of a day. And yet many of them are still on with the same addiction a hundred years later because they don't want to embrace the cause, they want to deal with the effect with their mind. [01:05:14.16]

Many of us have yet to embrace the emotional cause and instead we want to deal with the effect in our mind and this is why we keep doing the same thing.

Okay so I wonder how many of us in the room are on the Divine Love Path? So maybe we should stop bragging about being on the Divine Love Path and just get on with it, don't you think?

3.5. Bodily responses to avoiding and feeling fear and terror

Participant: AJ there was a particular occasion in my life where my body experienced terror and that terror was that things were happening to me where I couldn't move my body in response to it. Do you know when you said before that the world associates terror with weakness; my body was totally weak I couldn't move. I had to physically lift up my leg with my arm or lift up my arm with my other arm to physically get out of the situation. What's happening there?

You were feeling terror. You see how much you want to get away from that feeling, it feels terrible doesn't it?

Participant: Oh, it's shocking.

Yeah, and you want to get away from it, and I'm saying stay in it. You see the response to terror generally is to freeze.

When I was young my father used to go out shooting rabbits, and what they used to do instead of shooting the rabbit, because they didn't want a mark on the rabbit when they took the rabbit to market, they'd shoot over the top of the rabbit's head and the sound barrier of the bullet passing so close to the rabbit would cause the rabbit to just go into freeze, into terror. And you could walk up and pick up the rabbit and then you'd break its neck. And that way the pelt had no marks on it and the body had no bullet hole in it. [01:07:32.09]

Now that is also the same response humans have to terror. We go into a frozen place generally or a very close to frozen place. The key is to allow its experience. But see most of us are very terrified of that place and we don't allow the experience of it. Instead what we try to do is lift up an arm, lift up a leg do something at least to make us feel like we have some control now over that place. Now we're out of the emotion, do you see?

So this is the thing with terror and fear. What are the fear responses? Fight or flight. So when we're in fear but we're not quite terrified just yet, we will either try to leave or fight. Fight is getting angry and flight is running away. How many times do we do this emotionally?

Now I'm suggesting to you those responses are not the experience of fear but rather the avoidance of the fear. They are the response. Terror, the feeling you have will be to freeze and what actually happens when you allow yourself to fully experience the terror and go right into it, your body starts sort of twitching by itself and all of these frozen places in your body start unlocking; the ones that had frozen up this fear into this frozen place, start actually coming apart and you start twitching and rolling around and wriggling and all of these kinds of things start happening inside your body as you're experiencing it. Now that looks pretty bad too, so most people don't like doing that either but we need to allow ourselves to do it. [01:09:32.08]

The frozen place is the beginning if you like of that place, opening up into this place where your body starts unlocking its frozen state. The frozen state is the frozen emotion of terror within you.

Participant: So with the situation that was occurring for me at the time that put me into that state, I've often wondered, intellectually, whether something else happened in my life previously for that to be triggered so instantly.

Highly likely. Remember God's Law of Attraction, because of the soul having terror within it and operating with God's Law of Attraction, will bring an event to actually open up to that particular feeling that's within the soul. So these events will happen, if you allow them to happen you can rapidly get into the emotion and then if you can stay in it, that's the secret to stay in the frozen state and allow yourself to feel like you can't move, and then breathe and just allow yourself to fully feel it. After you go into it your body will start twitching, moving and releasing itself. [01:10:49.24]

Participant: The problem I had there was that I had a person in my room with a knife for three months every night and so I felt I had to get out of my body out of that to protect myself. I wasn't able to really experience it.

It's interesting you attract a person in a room with a knife, and I won't ask the personal situation or event, but to be in that situation before you could feel that kind of terror: the best way to do it now is just to go into your own room by yourself and place yourself in your imagination back into that event and then allow your body to go and do its thing. Or go and get some bodywork done where the person helps you get placed back into that event and allow your body to do its thing.

3.6. Contrary to the worldview, it's unloving to take people out of their emotions

Okay, so what the point of all that was, is to say that we often view ourselves as being loving when we help a person get out of the effect of what's being done rather than helping a person get into the cause of what's going on for them. And you know in the course of a day where we have a seminar like this, Mary and I often hear many of you getting somebody else out of their stuff. You overhear a conversation, there's another person getting that person out of their stuff; there's another person getting that person out of their stuff. And it's because we have this belief about love that's so in error. This belief that it's loving to help a person get out of their painful stuff. [01:12:38.16]

Now when somebody does that with me I find it quite frustrating still. The reason why is because I've just spent months trying to get into this stuff and now you're trying to get me out of it (laughs), like you've got to be joking. So the reality for many of us is that we need to stop getting people out of stuff that they have spent weeks or months trying, their soul has been trying to access for that period of time.

4. Dealing with the full extent of terror and trauma in our souls

Now for many of us we have emotional trauma that far exceeds our current assessment of what we believe we can cope with. So you could think of it like a graph, where the zero point of emotional trauma is no emotional trauma and then on the vertical axis is the emotional trauma. Now unfortunately most of the trauma happened in our childhoods, because that's the time when we were probably most violently treated. You see it's much harder to violently treat an adult than it is to violently treat a child. This is proven by law, actually. [01:14:09.18]

For example, what I mean by that is, by law if you hit somebody who's an adult and you're an adult, what is that called? It's called assault. And in fact you can be put in jail for assault today. But when a parent gets a stick and beats a child for disobedience, what's that called? Discipline, yeah. Love, unfortunately it's also called love. So the parent beats the child, and it's not called assault at all; instead we call it love, or loving discipline.

A graph showing the level of emotional trauma suffered during assault as a child, often termed "loving discipline" by society

Now it's interesting that our definition changes when we reach adulthood. When you reach adulthood and somebody else hits you with a stick, or in fact with a stick it's usually worse because there's a weapon involved it's called assault but when it happens to a child, it's called a loving discipline. Wow, we've got a lot to learn, don't you think as a human race, about the true causes of emotional trauma?

However, this assault that happened to many of you when you were quite young, quite frequently; in fact for many of you it happened every single time you displeased your mother or father. For many of you that's what occurred, wasn't it? Of course you very rapidly learnt that if you wanted to avoid the pain on the backside or any other place where they assaulted you, you had to do what they said and then after that no assault occurred. So that was now a smooth life and after that point in time we go, "Yeah I wasn't smacked very much at all, just a few times." Yet if somebody came along and punched you in the nose just a few times, how would you feel about that now as an adult? It's interesting how our concept of something changes based on what we're told or what the world judges or defines as correct. [01:16:34.08]

Anyway we have this assault. I'm going to call it assault. By the way I have been a perpetrator of assault of my own sons, so I'm not judging any of you for performing assault on your children, or having your parents perform assault on you. However, I am saying that it is certainly not loving discipline and it's certainly a violent act that causes terror and trauma in the child. So we have that level of terror and trauma inside of us; many of us have this.

Now much of this terror and trauma also comes from a potential threat of violence, not just from violence. So imagine if you're around a person constantly, every single day, who's about to explode, you'd be on tender hooks after a while. You'd be watching there, "No, I can't do that, I can't do that," and your own actions and behaviour would change quite rapidly, if you knew the person might go into this terrible rage at some point. And so after a while you become adept at preventing their rage, through your own fear of the potential result. So we can even have terror as a result of the threat of violence not just as a result of violence itself. [01:18:05.12]

So, for example, we could have one act of violence and then just the threat of it thereafter and now we are terrified every time it's even threatened, because we've already had the painful violence in the first place and we're terrified every time thereafter. So we have that amount of terror and trauma with us (AJ indicating to the graph on whiteboard).

However, inside of us we also have, unfortunately, this belief that we can only cope with a much lesser amount of terror and trauma. We'll call that the "terror and trauma coping level".

There is a large gap between our perceived ability to cope with terror and trauma, and the actual amount of terror and trauma inside of us

Can you see straight away that it doesn't make much sense, because if I've already received that amount of terror and trauma, and it's obvious that I'm still alive, so therefore I have coped with it. So the reality is I can cope with the actual amount, not our perceived coping level. But we have beliefs that we can only cope with a small amount because the process of feeling terror and trauma is not only unattractive in terms of looking at it in somebody else, but also inside of ourselves it feels so out of control, and we love control, and so we feel we can only cope with that much.

4.1. Faith and courage help us to fully feel the trauma and terror within us

Now the problem with only being able to cope with a small amount is that we're going to need something that causes us to be able to encompass the distance between these two points; the distance between what we feel we can cope with and what we actually have coped with. We need to be able to somehow close the distance and this is where faith in God and faith in our own soul's ability that God has created our soul with this ability to be able to handle so much. These kinds of faiths are what we need. We need also the quality of courage. Courage is when you feel like you can't go any further, but you do, and we need this quality of courage inside of ourselves if we're going to face the difference between the terror and trauma that we've actually experienced, and the terror and trauma that we feel we can handle or cope with. [01:20:55.19]

Faith and courage help us bridge the gap between our perceived ability to feel terror and the amount of terror within us

5. Love is much more powerful than fear, terror and anger

Now if we can do that and have those two qualities, then this terror will no longer define our viewpoint of love anymore. At the moment for many of us it's defining our viewpoint of love still, we view love as a less powerful emotion than terror. We view love as weaker than anger and we've got it all back to front, or, in Australian colloquialism, "arse about". We've got it all back to front, and the reason why we've got it all back to front is because we have placed many emotions above love as the most powerful emotion.

From God's perspective love is the most powerful emotion and terror or fear is way down in terms of powerful emotions, and in between there are things like faith, courage and desire, which are all more powerful than fear, and yet what do we do? We say, "No, don't believe that, love is not the most powerful emotion; terror is the most powerful emotion." And underneath terror is fear and then underneath fear, in terms of powerful emotion, is anger, rage; these are the world's judgements of what are powerful emotions. They are the least powerful emotions from God's perspective and it's very interesting when you arrive in the spirit world because all of the people who have those emotions are in the darkest condition with the least amount of power, and literally millions of them have to band together to do anything. [01:23:11.08]

Love is a more powerful emotion than terror, fear, anger or rage

5.1. An example of spirits who control the Chinese government

I was speaking to a group of spirits just a week or so ago when we were down at Kyabra, down in Kentucky in New South Wales, and there were four or five million of them that I was speaking to. They were trying to tell me that they were one of the most powerful groups of spirits on Earth and the reason why they felt that was because they had control of the Chinese government, and they felt the Chinese government was becoming one of the most powerful governments on Earth. [01:24:05.06]

So because they were in control of the Chinese government they believed themselves to be the most powerful people on Earth. I asked one lady Celestial spirit to come to them and they, all five million of these women, could not harm her. Five million could not harm one person, that's how much power they had. And then I asked the lady to display some of her powers to them which really shocked them and eventually they got into a lot of grief as a result of seeing the contrast between their power and the power that this one single spirit had.

Now this group of women that I was speaking with, they view men as basically superfluous to society, and so I asked one man to come who was a Celestial spirit as well; and what could they do to the one man? Nothing, and the difference was the amount of love, not the amount of rage, anger, terror or any of those other emotions. The difference was the amount of love.

You see we have this viewpoint on Earth, and this is one of our problems with the world's definition of love, that love is a weak emotion. You think about it in your own relationships even, if you are openly and unabashedly in love with your partner, you'll see how many of your same sex feels that to be a place of weakness. There are even words for it when we have a feeling of love towards our partner. There are these quite derogatory words that are often used, saying how controlled we are by our love. But love doesn't control anything, and it can't be controlled. So it's another false belief we have about love that love results in control. [01:26:28.17]

So we need to stop seeing the world's definition of what is powerful, that's the point I'm trying to get at here. We need to stop seeing terror, fear, anger, and rage as power and start seeing them for what they really are emotionally; they are the weakest possible emotions we could engage in. They are also the most damaging to our soul. Every time we engage in them we reinforce the damage to our own soul, so they are the worst possible emotions that we could engage inside of ourselves. Now I'm not saying not to experience them; I'm saying we need to stop going to them as our power play, as our way of feeling better about what's going on inside of ourselves emotionally.

5.2. God views love as the greatest and most powerful emotion

So the world's definition of love is that love is weak. What's God's definition of love? Love is the greatest and most powerful emotion that you will ever and could ever experience. Can you see the difference between those two totally opposite opinions? One is saying love is weak, vulnerable and all those kinds of things. Love isn't vulnerable. I don't believe at all. Can you see how many of us feel that love is vulnerable? It's not vulnerable. If you love everything that's going on around you, how is that a position of vulnerability? Isn't it a position of strength? Love is the strongest possible thing you could experience in every situation, that's the truth, that's God's Truth.

Unfortunately the way the world sees it is that love is one of the weakest and easily manipulated emotions on the planet, that's the way the world sees it. It's totally incorrect. I put to you that if love is manipulated then it's not love, because love cannot be manipulated, that's the reality. [01:28:47.04]

So the world's definition of love is the complete opposite to God's definition of love and the world's definition of fear, anger, terror, rage, those kinds of emotions, is in the place of God's definition of love. We view this as the most powerful position, unfortunately, most of the time.

Mary: I've really being praying a lot for God to show me that love is the most powerful, defining, controlling force in our universe. Because of the level of terror that I carry, I look around in the world that we live in and I say, "No, fear rules here, anger rules here," and so I love these words that you're talking about. But I know in my honesty, if I'm in truth, in my truth as I am right now, I am still praying a lot to receive this truth in my soul that love rules, because I do glimpse at times that love does rule this world, because there is always a consequence for the fear and the harm and the anger and all of that, it's just harder to see it here. If we feel our souls then I feel it immediately, whenever I'm in fear or anger or shame and I live in that place I feel the penalty on my soul now more.

And the weakness of it as well.

Mary: Yes but once upon a time I could detune from all of that and I thought it was a pretty powerful way to live to avoid fear and to use control to get what I want. So I have a lot of feeling at the moment because it's really what I'm walking through, in a causal way I feel, about really accepting that love does rule everything.

But this is why it's so hard living in the world, isn't it? Because fear rules the world and we've grown up in the world, then we're going to grow up in a condition where fear rules us; that's the reality unfortunately. But when we're confronted with this concept, even as a beginning it's an intellectual concept, that actually no, God created a universe that love rules, now we're starting to be quite confused, because in the world we see around us fear rules, and what we're trying to present is that, no, actually in the entire universe God's Love rules. So we're starting to go, well that's not my reality, that's not what I'm seeing because what I see is that fear rules here. [01:32:38.20]

5.2.1. Releasing terror is necessary to learn that love rules

Mary: And I've literally felt huge emotional distress at this truth. I feel like it's less now, but really you know it has been so like an assault on my reality to come to even pray to come to accept that love rules. And I guess my question is about do we need to release our terror in order to accept this?

Yes. Terror is the emotion that prevents the truth that love rules, from entering our own soul. So the thing that prevents this truth from entering my soul is the emotion of terror and fear.

Mary: It's so beautiful to hear you speak about these things. I love it; it's like a balm on your soul. You go, "Yes this is the truth," but to live this, to confront my terror in my daily life and to have faith that no, love rules this process for me is tumultuous, and that's I guess what I wanted to share.

And this is importance of those two qualities, faith and courage.

Mary: Yes.

Faith and courage are needed to release our fear and terror, so that we can learn the truth that love rules

Because what I'm saying to you is that love does rule the universe, but before you're ever going to experience your terror fully, you're going to have to have faith that that's true. You're going to have to have faith that there is a God who loves and God created this system that loves in the universe, and these two qualities are going to be able to drive you into experiencing these terrors that you experience. And as Mary correctly pointed out, if you don't experience your terror and your fear, you will never ever emotionally accept that love rules. You'll never emotionally accept it in your entire life. And I've talked to many spirits who've lived thousands of years who have yet to accept that love actually rules the universe and because of that, that truth hasn't entered their heart, and it's always because of the level of terror and fear they are in personally that they don't release that. [01:35:28.02]

5.3. Love creates change

Participant: Lately like I worked through some addictions a little and how I behave in situations will change, and how my sons behave has also changed, which has been really good. I know I'm being more loving to them but it's like I feel very lost without the addiction going and now that that's gone it's like...

You're getting stripped of the veneer.

Participant: Yeah and I find I feel really it's almost a little bit frightening and I feel lost it's like, "I don't know what this is".

Yeah and this is a good place to stay in. You'll get used to it. Remember in many of the talks in the past I've talked about the soul expanding, being stretched. Remember I've talked about that? You see we try often to prevent the stretching of our own soul. The way it stretches is by going through these positions of confusion and these feelings of feeling like I don't know where I am now. This is a good sign that your soul is stretching to a new place. Because if you're in a level of comfort what's happening? Nothing's stretching, nothing's changing, but you're going to feel comfortable of course. But nothing's stretching, nothing's changing and this is another false belief that the world has about love; they feel love is constant. So, "If they love me they'll love me for the rest of their life." And they have this feeling that love generates loyalty. In other words if somebody says they love me, then they should be loyal to me and so forth. But the reality is that love constantly changes, causes change. [01:37:48.04]

Participant: I think I have this expectation of what love would feel like and it's not that.

No, but can you see because our expectation of what love feels like has nothing to do with God's Love; it's got everything to do with the world's definition of love, because we grew up in a world expecting those things. That's the thing, so every single time we're going to think that it's this and even want to feel that it's the world's definition, but it's going to be very, very different from the world's definition, every single time.

5.4. Love is not vulnerable

Participant: What you were saying before, that love was invulnerable, don't we ourselves have to be vulnerable to receive it?

I don't feel we have to be vulnerable at all, no. That's my feeling.

Participant: Or as in be vulnerable enough to drop your fear of accepting what love could be, rather than accepting what you feel love is.

Yeah, Mary and I have had many discussions about this word vulnerability and I just cannot agree that vulnerability is actually about being open to receiving love. I feel the reality is that vulnerability is a product of your fear. In other words every time you think "I'm being vulnerable", you're actually in a state of fear and covering over with it by justifying a word called vulnerability. Do you understand what I'm saying now? I know that might sound a bit confusing.

When I believe I'm being vulnerable, I am automatically in a state of fear. When I'm in a state of being open to love completely, I no longer feel that I'm vulnerable, I feel strong, and I feel completely a different emotion. I don't feel vulnerable at all, I feel strength when I'm totally open to love, and I feel the word vulnerability comes from an underlying fear of being open and truthful, and it's a fear actually of being attacked I feel, that causes us to use this word vulnerability. [01:40:15.15]

My feelings are that when I am truly open to love and love is flowing through me, I no longer feel vulnerable; I feel impregnable. I feel completely the opposite once I'm in a state of love. This is why God has the most impregnable position in the universe, because God has the most love and that's the beauty of love. You see it's our viewpoint again that gets twisted by these words and twisted in the end by the feeling of fear.

So I often hear many of you use the words, "I'm being vulnerable now," and I would say back to you, and I've said this to Mary frequently, "No you're being fearful now." The fact that you're now saying to me that you're being vulnerable is a fear being expressed, because you wouldn't feel that way if you were truly open and felt the position of strength in the love and truth that you're expressing. I feel completely different about these emotions to the way that most people feel.

Participant: It's probably because, as I said, love that people receive ends up hurting them in some way.

Yes.

Participant: Therefore they fear receiving it.

And I put to you that love that hurts wasn't love in the first place.

5.5. Love brings everything to us

Participant: Does love bring awareness?

Love brings everything. Love brings knowledge, awareness, understanding, truth, passion and desire, everything that's good that you can imagine in the universe comes through the vehicle of love. The reason why I'm doing this series of discussions with the audience is because I feel we're still taking on the world's view of love and what is the world's view of love? It's like those things that we listed earlier you know that love is weak, love is powerless, love is vulnerable and we could make a long list of all of these things that the world views love to be.

How the world views love

And yet when we look at them God is not weak, God is not powerless; the pinnacle of love in the universe is not weak. The pinnacle of love in the universe, God, is not powerless and God's position is not vulnerable, it's impregnable. So can you see we're thinking the wrong way aren't we? By thinking that love is these things, we're actually just taking on the world's definition of it all, that's all we're doing. We're not really taking on God's definition because if you look at God and the position God's in; God's definition is totally the opposite of what we're thinking. [01:43:41.25]

5.6. Love is childlike and spontaneous

Participant: I would like to ask, it feels more childlike for me this place to love.

I agree.

Participant: And more spontaneous.

You see now you're listing some other emotions, which I don't agree are in the weak, powerless and vulnerable place. I don't feel the feeling of being a child is weak and I don't feel spontaneous is weak, but the world does. Can you see how the world's viewing all these things and it's no wonder we've grown up thinking all of these things, because the world around us views it all this way, so we grow up thinking exactly the way the world thinks. That's what we do.

But the reality is a lot of the words that are used; we think being a child's not weak. Man, the child's freedom is incredible compared to my own. If you think about it, how much our life is dictated to in comparison to a child's? A child has freedom and is spontaneous. And isn't it lovely to live in a spontaneous world? Now for many of us we go, "Well no, it's not lovely," because we want control and we feel control is powerful. No, control is one of the weakest things that we could do. [01:45:30.11]

When we deal with the cause of control and we no longer have it in our lives, we will love an uncontrolled life. The irony is it's going to be far better than your controlled one. That's also one of the realities of truth of God's Love.

6. Summary of Session 2, Part 1

So can you see through this discussion already that we have grown up in this environment that accepts that the world's definition of love is the truth about love and the reality unfortunately is entirely the opposite to that. The world's definition of love is so far away from love to be laughable really, and it's certainly not logical either. God's position of love, which the world views as weak, powerless, vulnerable and all of those other things, is actually the strongest position that anybody could ever have.

I've got to pull out the Bible now, sorry for all of you people who are upset. I've just got a different one. I'm in the process of buying different translations of the Bible, and you know there are some things that it says that are quite good. (Laughter) Tomorrow in our discussion we'll also see that there are some things that it says that are not very good at all unfortunately, but there are some things that it says that are good, and my dear friend John penned this with some spirit inspiration. It says, "God is love. Whoever lives in love, lives in God and God in him. In this way love is made complete among us so that we may have confidence on the day of judgement, because in this world we are like Him. There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." [01:48:03.03]

It's a lovely verse don't you think? First John 4: starts in verse 16 to 18. And that's what we're trying to do, is trying to illustrate to you the difference between the world's viewpoint of love. See the world doesn't have that viewpoint of love unfortunately. The world has a very, very different viewpoint of love and what we need to do is we need to start challenging this viewpoint within ourselves that we have accepted all of our lives many times, until this point. We've accepted that the world's viewpoint of love is the only correct viewpoint of love and we have denied in our soul because of the terror and fear that exists within our soul, we deny this one major truth that's going to come from God when we allow ourselves to feel our terror and our fear and that is, this truth that actually God's Love rules the universe.

Love is actually the most powerful emotion that we could ever feel, that is the reality. Can you see that before this reality, before this truth can enter me I must be prepared to actually experience my terror and my fear? Without experiencing my terror and my fear this truth cannot enter me and I am going to believe this truth (that fear and terror rule) to be false. I am going to believe that fear rules the universe and when I believe intellectually and more importantly emotionally believe that fear rules the universe, you know what I've just done? I've made myself subservient to fear. Fear has become my owner and I have become its slave. That's what I've done. [01:50:12.09]

But once I can accept that love rules, and the only way to do this is to remove these feelings of terror and fear from within me, from that moment on I am now believing that love rules the universe. And what becomes my owner? Love also becomes my owner. It's love that dictates my actions then. Can you see the importance of dealing with your fears and terror?

About a year or so ago now I did a series of talks about fear. Can you see why I did? It's because without you experiencing this terror and fear within inside of yourself and actually releasing it so that it's no longer a part of you, you will never accept God's definition of love. You will always have the world's definition of it, and while you have the world's definition of it, it's impossible to act in a loving way without trying. And this is why many of you feel tired, because you're having to try to get over the terror and fear that exists within you, that is telling you that this is true (that fear rules), rather than telling you that this is true (that love rules) and that's a very important step to make in your own spiritual progression. It's one of the most important steps you can ever make actually.

The World's Definition of Love: Session 2, Part 2

7. The world's vs. God's definition of love

Now what I wanted to do initially in coming back was to revise some of the things we covered when we were in the Melbourne session (Human Relationships - The World's Definition of Love S1 Q&A) about the world's definition of love, versus God's definition of love.

7.1. Love is never painful

The world's view of love is that love is painful. You know those songs that go, "Love hurts..." (AJ sings) God's view of love is that love is never painful. Hmm, love is never painful. Well then why do I feel pain when I love and somebody else doesn't love me back? Because of an emotional error!

So the key thing to remember is that the world's view of love is coming from a fear-based perspective. We need to remember that from our previous discussion? Since it's coming from a fear-based perspective, pain is going to be a result of living in fear at some point. So this whole idea that love is painful isn't the truth. Love is never painful, that is the truth. This is just a revision; you can look at the material Mary and I presented in that discussion in Melbourne, which goes through the material properly, but I just want to revise this part of the material at this point.

7.2. Love is never demanding

Love is demanding. How many times do we feel that? That we can demand something of someone, "They should have done that for me because they say they love me." Does that make much sense really? Well it does to the world, but God's view is that love is never a demand. You don't see God placing demands on your life. In fact when it comes to demands, God is silent. [00:02:37.27]

So love is never a demand and the reason why is that God Herself doesn't demand anything of us. God is hopeful, so love is often hopeful that we do something or that we follow something and so forth, but there's never a demand in it. It reminds me of the movie "Phenomenon" with John Travolta. How many of you have not watched it? Mary keeps warning me to never tell the ending. I'll just tell a little. (Laughter) She comes up the hill and she sees a blanket lying on the ground and she says, "Are you expecting something?" And he smiles at her and he says, "No I'm just hoping." (Laughter) So love doesn't demand or expect, love does hope though. So there's a difference between those qualities.

7.3. Love is never sacrifice

The world's view is love is sacrifice. The whole idea that I came in the first century to die for mankind's sins would never ever have made any logical sense to anyone unless the world had the view that love is sacrifice. Because the world has the view that love is sacrifice, they then see what I did as the ultimate sacrifice, but the reality is quite different to that; love is never a sacrifice. I did not feel that I was sacrificing myself and never do I feel that I'm sacrificing myself if I'm in a condition where I love. Now that's interesting, isn't it? How many times in a day-to-day relationship do you feel like, "I've got to compromise here"? (and we'll talk about compromise in a minute) quite frequently I suggest. [00:04:53.03]

7.4. Love is not justice

And this fourth one is interesting that love is justice. I once had a psychologist say to me (and he was telling me why I was unhappy in my relationship with my ex-wife), "You know," he said, "It's all about justice. If you and her both give the same amount and receive the same amount, then at the end of the day you'll be happy." And while he's right with regard to human relationships, and I had to admit that he was right, that's not what love is, because love is not justice. If love were justice then if you poked my eye out what would love tell me to do? Poke yours back out. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth is the principle of justice, but it does not engage necessarily the principle of love.

So we can't continue to think that love is justice. Many of you still want justice rather than love. You think about it in your relationships, how many times do you want justice rather than love? "I've done this for you, what are you doing for me?" We want an evenness in what's been done, compared to what's being done for us. That is called justice and while justice can have its place, it's certainly not love, because love gives gifts that never have an expectation of return. It's very, very different. [00:06:39.21]

Now already can you see the fear perception coming through with the world's definition of love, through these ideas? The fear is underlying many of these ideas about love. Whereas if you look at God's view of love you can see that there is no fear in any of those concepts of love that God has. They are all very, very different conceptually to the world's view.

8. Coming to accept God's view of love

So if have grown up with this (the world's view), it's going to be quite painful to release that view and accept God's view, obviously, because I've grown up thinking this. So if I can give you some illustrations of that.

8.1. An illustration of loving somebody who does not love us back

For example, when I love somebody who does not love me back. Now for most of us in the past, we would have felt pain about that. Many of us still do, some of you right now are loving people who don't love you back and you feel a large degree of pain as a result. But if it were love then it wouldn't be painful, so that's telling me that it's not love that I'm feeling. We've got ask ourselves that question.

I realised in a rediscovery of a lot of this, feelings about love and the qualities of love; what love truly displays. When I started investigating that in my own life, I had to be very honest with myself, because you can stay in a belief that love is painful if you wish. You can feel over and over again how painful it is to love somebody who doesn't love you back. However if you do so, you will never come to accept the truth, which is God's view, and remember when we become at-one with God we are accepting God's view on everything, particularly everything regarding love. [00:09:11.11]

So while I'm holding on to this idea that love is painful, I am preventing myself from ever getting to the truth that love is never painful and I'm also not saying to myself, "If God's saying love is never painful and I believe love is painful then I have a problem with my definition of love, not God. I have the problem and if I have the problem, how am I ever going to get to God's view when I want to hold on to the world's view? I'm never going to get there."

And I think it's very important for each of you to understand that with all of these things that we say what the world's view is, and then we're contrasting that with God's view, if we don't have some kind of sense within ourselves that we want to have God's view at some point, then we'll be very tempted to hold onto the world's views in our own pain. We'll be creating our own pain as a result, holding on to these views.

When we have God's view, the pain of love disappears and when I say God's view, it's not God's view from the mind it's not from the mind but rather it is a feeling that you feel within your heart. So I can say to you, "Love is never painful," and you can say, "Love is never painful, love is never painful, I have to remember that, love is never painful," and then when a situation happens where you love somebody and they don't love you back, you go, "I shouldn't be feeling the pain because love is never painful." That's not what I'm asking you to do, because that is just intellectualising yourself over the emotion you feel, which is that love is painful, because I'm feeling the pain of it right now.

I'm suggesting that you need to feel that pain. However, understand in that moment when you're in God's place of seeing love and feeling love, you will not feel that pain, that pain that now you are feeling. And it's very important for you to see the difference of that in terms of a feeling, rather than an intellectual thought jumping over a feeling that you have. Don't try to falsify to yourself the feeling and use your intellect to get out of the real feeling that you have. [00:12:10.02]

9. Discerning between addictions and love

9.1. Happiness can be derived from love or from addictions being met

Participant: I was just wondering, is love directly relative to happiness? So, like if you have absolutely no love in your soul, does that mean you have absolutely no happiness? Is love the breeding place for happiness?

Well it depends what kind of happiness you're talking about. If it's the happiness of having your addictions fulfilled, then love isn't that place. But love is the true soul-based joy; it's the source of all true soul based joy. However, the problem that we face, and we'll talk about this in a minute, is that the world's definition of happiness and God's definition of happiness are two different things as well. And in fact the world's definition of God and God's definition of God are completely different as well. [00:13:04.18]

So the question with regard to happiness; happiness often comes from the meeting of addictions and that's not going to be a place of long-term joy for you, if you continue to have your addictions met. But you can have temporary happiness through having your addictions met. There are many people in the world and many people in the spirit world who are doing that. So you've got to be careful assessing love through the process of happiness. "I'm happy so therefore I'm in love," does not necessarily follow.

A few months ago when we were in Greece we talked about the addictions between a couple in "The Human Soul - Sexual Attraction". I talked about the open chakras between each couple in those talks, and the reality is that the more of my chakra's addictions that get met by the other person, the more happier and sexually attracted to them I will feel. But that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm actually, at the soul level, happy or feeling joy or love. So that's a bit of a conundrum; trying to measure things through happiness doesn't always come out with love. [00:14:46.18]

9.2. Discerning Divine Love from feelings from spirits

9.2.1. God's Love is not selective and will never feed addictions

Participant: I'm just wondering how can you tell the difference between God's Love and a spirit projecting so called love, just based on the channelling that Nina did when she said she didn't feel love when she was with you and Mary, but when she went away she did. How can we tell the difference?

Well firstly would God's Love be selectable like that?

Participant: No.

No, so she was basically saying in her channelling that myself or Mary being in her presence prevented her from feeling love. Now would God's Love be prevented by anybody in your vicinity? No, so therefore if it is being prevented then it has to be something to do with an addiction. From God's perspective, no matter what situation you're in, She wants to give you love. So if you're in the company of people who actually want to teach you love and you're not feeling any love, then you've got to start questioning who you're getting the love from. [00:15:56.29]

What are your feelings when I say something like that? It's true but what are the feelings that many of you have. I can feel in you, "Ah no, I've been asking for love from God, but I might be getting love from a spirit. What do I do now?"

Participant: And that's what I mean how can we individually tell the difference?

God's Love is never the result of an addiction. The only way for you to tell the difference is to know what you're addicted to.

Participant: So it comes back to self responsibility.

It does, yeah a lot.

Mary: I think I'm very aware of my addictions and as I've gone on I've developed a sense that the happy feeling I get from addictions actually now feels icky because I can feel it's an addictive sort of happiness.

Yeah, you'll get to the point where your addictions actually feel painful not pleasurable.

Mary: Even if I get a warm fuzzy feeling I still go, "Urgh,"

It feels sleazy.

Mary: Yep I feel like, "Ah something was off in that exchange with that person, it felt kind of icky", but I also feel that discernment about the qualities of love has helped me with that.

Certainly.

Mary: Like if I'm feeling good and I'm feeling good but I know about love and I know I'm not practising love with people, then something's off. Because sometimes it's challenging, you have to face a lot of fears as we said, not live in my fear but confront my fear to take a loving action. The feeling I get from that is a much nicer quality of feeling that feels like I'm in harmony with God's Love. [00:18:17.14]

9.2.2. God's Love causes us to grow in love

Mary: My theory is, if I'm not growing in love, any feeling I'm getting from outside of myself is not from God.

No. It's very true.

Mary: God is giving. God has an inbuilt feedback mechanism for me to help my soul grow. So if I can visibly see my life is not changing and I'm not growing in love but I'm getting nice feelings, something's off. If I can feel myself growing and then I'm getting nice feelings from outside myself, so then I know I'm okay.

There's a higher chance of it being from God.

Mary: But I feel also if you really want to know the truth about this, you do know the truth about it. It's just that often we don't want to know.

Yeah, totally.

Mary: Because there's a feeling I get from my guides and the feeling I get from God, they're all so lovely but they're discernible to me now, as is an addictive feeling from another person or a spirit.

You've got to want to know your addictions before you will actually notice what's loving and what isn't, because if you don't know your addictions then you're just living in them, at the end of the day all you're going to be doing is following your addictions and feeling nice when they get met and feeling bad when they don't. Until you're out of your addictions and noticing your addictions, it's very, very hard to determine where you're receiving love from. However, may I point something out to you; the whole reason why we're having this conversation is so that you can tell the difference.

Mary: Exactly, yes.

9.2.3. Discerning addictions vs. love

If you look at this example I gave before, if any time you love somebody and it feels painful, you know you're in addiction. If any time you feel love for somebody and you're feeling quite demanding of them, you know you're in an addiction. Any time that you feel, "I'm having to sacrifice myself again, I'm having to do something for them again, why can't they do it for themselves?" Then I think love is a sacrifice and I'm in an addiction. And if I go, "Where's the justice here, where's the justice here? There's no justice here. They should do for me what I did for them. If they don't then there's no justice." If I'm feeling that, then I'm in an addiction. I'm not understanding love. [00:20:47.19]

Now if I'm doing that and feeling love from someone in spirit, like a spirit or who I think is God, do you think it's coming from God, when God has these opinions of love? Obviously not.

So where's it coming from? It's coming from a person who's willing to meet these addictions in you, the world's view of love. That's where it's coming from. [00:21:14.00]

So I feel that the more armed you are with truth surrounding what the world's definition of love is and what God's view of love is, the more you know what God's view of love is, even intellectually, you can easily tell where the "love" feelings are coming from, if you allow yourself to notice. You don't need to be afraid of it, you just need to go, "Here we go again, another spirit giving me a nice feeling. To be frank I still feel demanding, okay this is just a spirit giving me a nice feeling, definitely not coming from God." [00:21:50.07]

Mary: The reason I'm not teaching is because I realised I had a lot of fear which is affecting the purity of what I am teaching. I feel that if I still have a lot of anger inside of myself and in my life, I really know that I'm far from love. These things (the world's view of love) all create anger, and so that's just what I've noticed is the less anger I have, the more I know I'm developing in love but also I feel more of a God connection.

Yeah it's very true. Well of course because anger, remember, is the result of you choosing anger to meet an addiction. So whenever you're in anger you know you're not going to be receiving love from God. You might receive a lot of approval and acceptance emotions from spirits in that place, and you definitely will receive those in many cases, but you're certainly not going to be receiving love from God.

So I feel it's a lot to do with the discussion before the break about how our anger and our terror work. How with our fear and terror if we choose to be powerful, we choose to try to get the addiction met, then it will automatically result in anger or rage. If I'm in anger or rage or I've got a tendency to want to go towards anger and rage, then obviously I'm yet to deal with my addictions, so therefore I'm yet to really experience love from God in a lot of ways because I'm still heavily in my addictions. [00:24:05.25]

Mary: Logic tells me that God is going to be able to love me more, the more I grow in love, and when I live in my addictions, He can't give me love. So the reality for me is that I had to face a lot of time without receiving very much of God's Love, because I was really entrenched in a lot of addictions. This is why I feel it's so important to talk about what is love and what isn't love and I feel so passionate about God but it's really important that we understand, like you said, God's view of things.

9.2.4. Reasons for feeling afraid of confusing God's Love with feelings from spirits

Does that answer your question about receiving God's Love?

Participant: Yes it does.

You don't need to worry so much; you need to let yourself feel more. You see when we ask questions like, "But is it a spirit, is it not a spirit?" that's us worrying, and that's called a fear. And when we worry we're afraid, so let yourself feel your fear, what's your fear? [00:25:10.27]

Participant: Getting it wrong.

Fear of getting it wrong.

Participant: Getting told off.

But why would you worry about getting it wrong? Because you're worried about getting told off. How do you feel when you get told off?

Participant: Ashamed and small and powerless.

So the emotion you're trying prevent by asking the question is?

Participant: The powerlessness.

The emotion of powerlessness, and feeling ashamed and humiliated.

Participant: Yes. Sounds so easy when you say it.

That's because it is easy (smile) if we're willing to feel the emotion. The only reason why it's easy for me is I'm going, "Feel this, feel this, feel this. I'm feeling Rochelle, feeling Rochelle, feeling Rochelle," I'm open to feeling you as much as I'm open to feeling myself and therefore open to feeling your emotions as much as I'm open to feeling my own. If that happens then I go it's this, this, take the train down, there it is. It's quite easy, but the reality is there's resistance inside of you of feeling the emotion of humiliation, so therefore there's a desire to avoid the emotion of humiliation by asking the question. [00:26:16.09]

Participant: Yes. Thank you.

9.3. An example of a lady discerning love from addictions in a relationship

Participant: If I'm in a relationship again with my ex partner believing him to be my soulmate and I just thought that I'd let it go its path and see what happens. It concerns me because it's going so nicely, (laughter) and I look at all these things and I say, at the time that I've been with him it has not been painful, demanding, sacrifice or justice, I feel, but I know that I have all those addictions and I haven't worked through them all. So is it at the time when I'm with the person and experiencing whatever I feel, could it be okay?

(Laughs) You're now asking me to be the arbitrator of your relationship, which I cannot do, but let me answer your question. If I know that I have all of the world's beliefs about love still in me, and therefore a lot of addictions, which maintain those beliefs, then there is a high likelihood that my relationship is in an addictive phase, where I'm meeting his addictions, and he's meeting my addictions. So highly likely that it's in an addictive phase. That doesn't mean you go, "Ah my relationship's in an addictive phase let's end the relationship," I'm not suggesting that. What I'm suggesting is deal with the addictions. So you go, "Okay why do I feel so nice?" Is it because I'm in this place of God's view of love, where I'm in love and it's not painful to me anymore? What happens if he cheats on me tomorrow? How would I feel then? Would you feel pain then? [00:29:09.16]

Participant: Probably.

Okay. So if I'm going to feel pain under that circumstance then I've still obviously got an addiction in play.

Participant: So do I wait until it happens or...? (Laughter)

Why would you wait until it happens?

Participant: Because I don't know.

The likelihood is if you wait until it happens, then your soul is going to be part of the contributor of it happening because you're not dealing with the addiction inside of you, and so your soul attraction is going to attract the event happening. Wouldn't it be better to go, "Yeah I can feel that there's going to be a lot of jealousy and a lot of pain in me if he cheated on me"? Wouldn't it be better to just feel about that now, rather than wait until the event?

Participant: Yes.

Okay so let's say he wakes up one morning, you're holding him in your arms and you say, "What did you dream last night?" And he said, "Well I dreamt I was having sex with this other lady." If he was honest, he might have dreamt that, and if you've got an honest relationship you'd tell each other probably your dreams. Mary and I do all the time because we find that there's a lot of truth in the dreams in terms of what needs to be dealt with emotionally. So you tell each other your dreams and he tells you that, how would you feel? [00:30:32.01]

Participant: To be honest I feel that I've got quite a lot of error in that area and I don't think I'd be jealous.

Okay so you feel like you deserve it?

Participant: Probably that's how I feel, yeah.

Okay so if that's the feeling you have, then you're willing to put up with and maintain a relationship with a person who obviously hasn't got a complete heart towards yourself.

Participant: No I wouldn't do that either. Well that's what I think I wouldn't do.

No, I'm saying you would. I'm saying you would because you're already deprecating yourself in the relationship. Now if you look at the past when you were together who deprecated herself in the relationship and who took a dominant position? [00:31:18.26]

Participant: He did.

Okay so can you see you've still got that emotion inside of you? And how is your relationship going now? Are you deprecating yourself now and him being dominant still?

Participant: I don't know.

Is it not being going long enough to know?

Participant: No.

Okay.

Participant: But I guess the answer might be that if he's not being truthful to what's been happening then that is what you're just saying, deprecation.

9.3.1. Being truthful and open

Yeah what I'm saying to you is if both of you are being truthful, both of you are being honest, both of you are being open, both of you are being loving, then both of you would be honest and open and loving with each other constantly and in that process, if you engage that process fully, you will be bluntly honest with each other and in the process of all this blunt honesty coming out of you, different emotions will definitely get triggered. Emotions will definitely come up. Then when they come up the idea is then to feel them, engage them and feel them; that's the idea. Most of us don't even let those emotions come up, because we don't even get to the point of being honest with each other with everything that we feel.

So the reality unfortunately for many relationships is, I think a certain thing but I don't say it, and my partner thinks a certain thing and doesn't say it to me. And I might start thinking a certain think and saying it to them, expecting that they will do the same to me but I have to be realistic; are they doing the same to me? Do they have the same goals and desires or not?

Participant: That's what I feel. I feel that I try to be honest as I can but he's not with me.

Can I just ask you a question? What's this statement "as honest as I can?" I'm a bit confused about that statement.

Participant: Yeah, I've always thought that I was as honest as I could be, but I think I'm discovering that through all the addictions and things, I've just been kidding myself.

Yeah can I point out that most people have an internal dialogue, is that not true? Many of you have experienced this where you have an internal dialogue going on and the internal dialogue very rarely matches their external dialogue.

Now for many of us this has been a pattern that we learnt very, very young, very young. You know, a next door neighbour comes over and we're looking up at the next door neighbour and go, "Mummy doesn't like you," because mummy told us she doesn't like her. And so we just say "Mummy doesn't like you" and what does mummy do? Smack, "That's not true, how dare you say that. No, I like you," gives her a hug, and then when she walks out the door, "I don't like her actually but don't you ever say that anymore." [00:34:34.00]

So what do we learn to do? We learn to falsify the actual internal dialogue, to make it pleasant and palatable to the potential receiver. We do this with our parents first and then our parents usually have taught us to do it with everyone around us.

Now, the problem with that is our internal dialogue is far more a mirror of what's going on in our soul than anything else is. Our external dialogue is not a mirror of what's going on in our soul because when we were young that was beaten out of us, generally, or punished out of us. So for most of us the internal dialogue is the truth or more truth; that's the truth we want to access.

Now what's the fast way to access that internal dialogue? Is just to learn to say the words that are actually going on inside the head, just to say it and then go, "Whoa, (laughter) did I say that?" "Whoa, gee that's pretty dark that one." You know and allow ourselves to, without judgement, notice that it's actually going through us and then we can start working with that, you see. We can start working with that and we actually, through that process, can engage other's help by just saying exactly what's going on.

Now we do this most often in relationships unfortunately, because we have a huge investment in relationships and many of you in fact have a huge investment in the soulmate relationship. And when I say have an investment; you have an investment of it working out, because there's a huge amount of fear if it doesn't work out, "What am I going to be left with? Nothing. I'm going to be alone, unwanted and uncared for, for the rest of my life." That is the feeling that we don't want to feel and so what we do is we have a tendency then to falsify what goes on in the relationship. In other words we accept things in what we believe to be a soulmate relationship, which we would not normally accept in a standard relationship, and that is the beginning of our error. [00:37:07.27]

9.3.2. Truth binds relationships together

Mary and I want to talk about soulmates a bit more. It will probably be in a few months time. You see one thing I want to point out to you is, as a general comment, there's bucket loads of truth yet, a lot more about soulmates that we want to talk about, but one basic truth about soulmates, Laurleen, is very important, and that is that the truth is what binds the two halves together. Truth is the thing that creates all openings of love between the two halves of the soul.

So if you cannot be truthful and honest and open with the partner, and I'm not talking about the veneer layer of truth, honest and openness, I'm talking about the real deep, dark, really unpleasant feelings that we have. We've also got to be careful about blaming our soulmate for them, because they all came from before we met our soulmate. They've usually all come from our parents and the environment we've grown up in. So therefore if I'm saying, "You're like this, you're like that," I'm really saying, "Daddy's like this, daddy's like that." If I'm in a relationship with you, you're a woman and I'm a male and I'm saying, "You're like this, you're like that, you're like this," I'm really saying one of two things. I'm saying, "Mummy's like that, mummy's like that, mummy's like that." Or I'm saying, "Dad thinks mummy's like that." And I'm not really dealing with you as an individual; I'm dealing with all of these unhealed emotions from my parents that I'm now applying across this relationship. And if I continue to do that, that's not really being honest. The honest thing is to say, "Yeah my dad was like that, my mum was like that." That's the more honest thing to do because that's going to get me closer to the truth of the emotions.

But when you say you're being "as honest as you can", the reality is that you can be perfectly honest. All of you are capable of being perfectly honest. When you say, "as honest as I can," you are now introducing the fear in your honesty. And to be honest most of us have terrible amounts of fear about honesty, because almost every time when you were little and you told the truth, when mummy and daddy didn't like it what happened to you? All hell broke loose. You had a screaming maniac with usually a stick or some other weapon in their hand going for you when you did that. That's something that's terrifying and this is where we get back to our terror. [00:40:08.29]

So the statement "as honest as I can" starts with a fear and in the end there's a lot of terror in that statement. There's a lot of fear and terror about being truthful and being honest and being open no matter what, no matter what the result, because the result in our childhood was often a very, very harsh treatment of honesty.

Now my suggestion in the relationship though is to allow myself to see God's view of love and when anything comes up, just engage the situation in truth and honesty completely, perfectly, which you are capable of doing, and allow yourself to say the truth, and then notice what happens. Then if all hell breaks loose in the relationship you go, "Yeah, this relationship isn't quite as truthful as I thought I could be. And there goes my addictions," so I also see that I must have been having an addiction prior to that otherwise I would have found that out sooner most probably. [00:41:17.04]

9.3.3. "Perfect" relationships when we're not at-one with God are addictive

For myself, I had one relationship for thirteen years, I was married for thirteen years and that entire time we did not have a single argument. But did that make it a loving relationship?

Participant: My partner was married for something like twenty five years and he prides himself on never having an argument until later on. And that's where I have a lot of difficulty in myself that I don't believe what he tells me.

There are three potential reasons why a couple won't have an argument at some point. The first reason is they're both at-one with God. Now that's obviously not my case or yours okay, so there's that one gone. The second reason is that one or the other, one of us is pandering to the other's emotional addictions, and obviously the third is both of us are pandering to each other's emotional addictions. You see if we're not in at-onement with God and we have a 'perfect' relationship it has to be an addiction. [00:42:45.08]

If we're not in at-onement with God, which means we're perfectly now cleared of all emotional injuries, we're in harmony with love completely as God designed us to be, and we have what we believe is a perfect relationship or a good relationship, then both of us have to be in addictions, that's the only other option. That's a basic truth about a relationship. No one wants a relationship now. Or you're going, "Oh no, how many addictions have I got?" (Laughter). Does everyone understand that basic statement? We don't want to understand that basic statement; that one just goes in one ear and out the other ear.

But it is a truth; if we feel we have a good relationship that is without any turmoil in it and we are not yet at-one with God, then we are in co-dependent addictions. We have to be in co-dependent addiction for that to happen. Now that co-dependent addiction in a relationship is very hard to work your way through. The reason why is both of you are meeting each other's addictions and it's automatic; if it's such a good relationship it has to be automatic and for that to occur, it's going to take one or both of you starting to see the co-dependent addictions that are in play and address them. That's a challenge.

What I've noticed happen many times is if God is taken out of the picture in a relationship and you just focus on the happiness in the relationship, you'll find that many people will be completely satisfied with their relationship, otherwise they wouldn't be in one most of the time, particularly nowadays when it's easier to leave the relationship and go and find something that's more satisfying or fulfilling.

9.3.4. Truthful relationships that include God brings people closer

However, when you add God to the relationship, now, if you're both progressing toward God, that is going to become the measure of the addiction you're in. So no longer is the happiness of the relationship the paramount position, but rather the growth of the relationship becomes a more important position. Do you see the difference? It's not the relationship staying in a safe, stable and non-confronting place that is where you would like to be, but rather there is an expectation of continual growth. And when you engage this growth a very interesting thing happens. You become very close, much closer than it's capable of doing when you're in the addiction. [00:46:00.07]

And that's what we're finding, isn't it, Mary? As we work through the different addictions that are in play what's happening is we come closer and closer and closer. It doesn't mean there's no turmoil. The reality is Mary just spent two months living somewhere else in our relationship because she had all this fear to deal with and I found myself pandering to her fear and she found herself wanting me to pander to her fear, which stopped her from getting into her fear. So we both decided well it's better for me to work through pandering to Mary's fear and work through my fears about Mary being harmed, Mary being hurt, which is all first century stuff for me, and for Mary to work through her terror of fear itself and getting into the process where she can feel her terror. That's better to do that apart and we'll be closer if we do that than we would be if we still continue to pander to each other's fear or terror together.

And if you do that you'll get closer and closer and closer and closer and closer until you become at-one with your soulmate, which is actually a time that will happen after you're at-one with God, not before. So you become at-one with God first then at-one with your soulmate. Obviously there's a lot to learn between at-onement with God and the point of at-onement with your soulmate. It's a lot more difficult to become at-one with your soulmate than it is to become at-one with God, because God has not got any injuries. So you know if there's no at-onement occurring it's got to be your injuries. (Laughter) The problem with becoming at-one with your soulmate particularly initially is, both of you have got injuries, so how do you work out which one's the injury and which ones the pure in state? [00:47:57.26]

But when you involve God in the process, now both of you are working towards God, so you have now the option of discovering every injury within yourself, which is also going to automatically bring you towards your soulmate. And this is why we discuss this world's definition of love, because we need to know the difference between how God sees things and how the worlds sees things. The world's view is how we view things and without us recognising, "Wow, yeah I do feel love is painful, but it's not painful in my relationship. That's interesting. There's a good chance that I'm in an addiction in my relationship." There's a good chance, because if I still feel inside of me that love is painful and my relationship isn't creating any pain, then there must be some kind of conflict in there at the soul level that I'm not recognising. I've still got a false belief in me but I feel happy with it, so something's going on and it has to be going on.

The key is for me to see that and acknowledge that and then allow, pray and set your intention with the desire that you have inside of yourself, set your intention to discover what it is. If you set your intention, you generally very rapidly discover what it is and you'll grow, and if you grow there's a high likelihood your other half, whoever that is, will grow along with you. There's a high likelihood of that happening.

Participant: Thank you. This is also true of friendship - if we're in this co-dependent friendship, then hey, we're in the same place.

Exactly, we are.

Participant: And it will not help us grow there.

That's right. A co-dependent friendship is not going to help you grow; it's going to help you stay in the same place. A challenging friendship is going to help you grow. So you want challenging relationships, they'll all help you to grow if you allow yourself to work your way through it, emotionally. That's very important. [00:50:14.29]

10. Differences in learning God's view of love for reincarnated people vs. people in their first incarnation

Participant: This is probably an addiction but I still feel I've got to say what I'm feeling. Most of my life on the Natural Love Path I've tried to find a shortcut to know God's view and now that I'm passionate about the Divine Love Path and I'm still aware that I keep reverting back to the shortcut.

To the Natural Love Path?

Participant: Yeah.

By the way I don't feel the Natural Love Path is a shortcut, do you?

Participant: No. It's actually hard to say what I'm trying to say.

Fire away.

Participant: What's the difference between us not being able to stay and work through our addictions on the Divine Love Path and you being able to so elegantly stand up there and know it so well? Is there something different between us and you? You're growing in love and helping us, but we don't seem to be growing as fast?

There is a large difference. I'm remembering it; you're having to learn it for the first time.

Participant: Thank you.

So learning it for the first time is different than remembering. Learning it for the first time has a lot of problems associated with it. You see this view inside of myself and the others of the fourteen, is actually the view that we have lived with for two thousand years. So it's pretty firmly cemented in us and all we've got to be is open to, connecting to, that view, open to the concept and deal with any of the terrors that we have of opening to that concept. Part one of which is opening to our own identity and everything else and if we're willing to deal with those terrors, then all of God's view will flood into us. That's how it feels for both Mary and me. It just floods in and the others of the fourteen, once they go through their terror, which is the primary thing that one of the fourteen has to do to go through, terror, and every one of the fourteen was tortured to death, so we've got quite a lot of terror. Once we go through the terror, then this sort of viewpoint just floods to us and it's like, "Oh yeah that's right, oh yeah that's right, oh yeah that's right," and it's all there automatically inside, without having it to enter us. [00:52:29.20]

Participant: Did you have to feel before you got the memory or did the memory come first?

No, feel before the memory. We had to feel our terrors; we had to go through our terror. When I was in my first time discovering I was going through the same process as you're going through now. My life in the first century and Mary's life in the first century that was our first time discovering these truths. Now the first time discovering took me thirty one years to get from the sixth sphere to the eighth sphere. Thirty one years in my first time discovering on earth. There was a lot of opposition obviously around as well, it was a very different environment to the environment we have now and so forth, but it took a long time to make the transition of those two dimensions.

10.1. Learning through the heart rather than intellectually

There's a good reason for that and that is, the first time you're learning everything from scratch and you're not learning it intellectually, and we're so used to learning it intellectually. You know you go to school, where do you get taught at school? It's all what goes in the head. How do you learn your times tables? It's all in the head. Why is it there are some people like who have autism, who have never been to school and learnt their times tables and yet they can give you pi to fifty decimal places; they can work all this mathematics out, why is that? And yet I had to go, one times one is one, one times two is two, one times three is three, and I had to go through to my twelve times tables and that's the way I learnt.

But the trouble is today, the majority of us have learnt this way. The majority of us have learnt in the head in our mind and so what we've learnt to do intellectually, which is not the same as learning in the heart. It's like we've got to throw out all the old way of learning, which is actually natural, and which we beat out of children, or particularly those of us who are a bit older; we literally had it beaten out of us at school. But we have to throw all of that old way of learning out and then learn this new way. Now that's pretty hard. [00:55:03.03]

It's so hard because we've grown up with all of this world's view of everything; not just the worlds' view of love, but the world's view of absolutely everything including the world's view of learning and what is the appropriate way to learn. And so we've grown up in this system where we've got all these different ways of learning that have been shoved down our throat, basically, or put into our mind, and now we've got to throw away this way of learning and learn the way God desired for us to learn, which in itself has huge emotional impact upon our environment, because everyone says, "What, are you a nut or what? That doesn't make any sense to me, I don't get that." And it goes right the way through to wanting to attack you because you're doing it. So we get all of this pressure, there's so much that has to be undone and this is the problem with learning all of these things for the first time. We're having to undo the bad learning, we're having then to be open to the new way of learning and then we have to learn it and that is an effort. It is an effort, and you going to struggle through that effort.

Now in the spirit world it's a little easier but to be frank not very much easier than that. I've talked to many spirits in the spirit world who have spent thousands of years still trying to learn the Divine Love Path but still never got it, because they want to hold on to the intellect. There's been a group of spirits who've been hanging around us for nearly five or six years, who are sixth sphere spirits, they're in the sixth dimension of the spirit world. Almost every opportunity they get they come to channel through somebody to talk to me and they open the conversation with, "We would like to ask you a few questions," it always starts like that, "We would like to ask you a few questions about how to progress on the Divine Love Path." That's how it starts and we finish up having a one hour conversation or so and in the end I know they're going to go away and try to understand with their mind what they just heard, because they're just finding it really hard to give up the learned process. [00:57:16.22]

Participant: That's what I'm going through. It's just so difficult and I sometimes I feel for you. Is there somebody else in the world that's teaching what you're teaching? I've learned that if there are more people doing the same thing, then more people can learn the same thing, but it seems like that you're the only one that's teaching this.

Well the reality is that every one of the fourteen has this (Gods' view of love) in their soul, so they could engage the process of teaching it. However they have all of their fears associated with doing so, including their fear of their own identity and having to face up to their own past which is very, very confronting. So until they do that, there will be just myself teaching it and then once one of the others do it, and so forth, and then there will be a group teaching it, but you can't expect that to happen without the free will of those individuals being involved.

10.2. Earth changes do not affect progression on the Divine Love Path

Participant: Which leads me to my last question, thanks, AJ. After the Earth shift is there a change in opportunity in our progression on the Divine Love Path, because something has happened to mother earth that affects our minds or is it just the same thing, all over, no change?

No. Any Earth changes that occur are an effect, not a cause. The cause is this differential between the amount of fear that's on the Earth and the amount of love that God is now pushing through the universe. The discrepancy between those two points creates opposition between truth and error and the Earth is going to work out that opposition between truth and error. The earth itself will go through the fractures as a result of this opposition between the love that's hitting it and the amount of fear and terror and untruth that's on the Earth itself. [00:59:29.10]

Now it is an opportunity but the reality is it could be an opportunity in a negative direction, it just depends on the choice that collectively mankind makes. Now, our personal goal is to help mankind make a loving choice, but we don't have control over mankind's choice, so mankind can make an unloving choice if they wish, it's up to them. And there are many spirits in the spirit world who are rubbing their hands together with glee waiting for Earth changes so they can actually create more terror. Many of you are terrified of the potential of Earth changes, so much so that you don't even want to know that they're going to happen, because you're worried about anarchy. And you see movies like "The Road" and other similar types of movies that portray an anarchy-based world, and a lot of these horror movies as well, such as "28 Days Later" and "28 Weeks Later", and all of those films where everything just goes crazy, and we have lots of amounts of fear about all of that, and that is also a potential. The potential is that mankind can take that road as well. I personally don't feel that's the potential. Mary's not thoroughly convinced at this point that that's not the potential.

Mary: I feel there's a great loving potential as God always creates but I...

But the reality is that you also have an emotion in you, at the moment, of hopelessness about the world's condition.

Mary: Yes, and also a sense that people are waiting for a change from outside of them to take an opportunity, which is already among us right now, and unless we take it when the change comes from outside of us it's... but that's my emotion.

No it's very true. What Mary's saying is that many are waiting for Earth changes to cause change instead of realising the basic fundamental truth that all of us must realise and that is this; nothing will change unless I change. That's the fundamental truth; nothing will change, external in my environment, unless I desire to change. And what we often talk about, Mary and I, is how to encourage the desire in people to change rather than waiting for specific events that will cause the change, because that's really just a very powerless place to do that, and remember that powerless is not love.

So I feel quite strongly that there are opportunities coming upon us to deal with things and the opportunities are not because of Earth changes, they are specifically because God is putting more and more of Her Love through the universe, which comes out of these black holes in the universe, and through the system and we have an opportunity to respond to that love and change, or to oppose it, that's the choice.

Now the problem that we face in the world is that most of the world opposes it, and so for us to accept it, we're going to finish up being opposed by the world. It does make it difficult because not only do we have to change ourself but now we're having all this opposition from an external force, trying to keep us back into the little tub that we're in, the prison that we're in. And that's the struggle we have, we've got lots of forces trying to keep us in the prison that we were in, and then we've got God's Love helping us to evolve into love and get out of the prison that we're in, and we have the choice to follow either direction. But the fear in us, which we have yet to release, dictates that we follow the world's view and this is why I say that without feeling the terror and fear within you, you are never going to accept God's view, because the fear within us is going to dictate to us to follow the world's view, which is a fear-based view. And until we sort that out and allow ourselves to feel that terror and work our way through it, we are not going to feel God's view. [01:03:50.29]

So while I'm presenting the world's definition of love and comparing that with God's view of love in these sessions, for many of us we will never accept God's view until we deal with our terror, until we deal with our fear. That's why fear is such a very important emotion to allow yourself to feel.

11. Using Natural Love Path techniques to identify soul feelings

Participant: Going back to trusting what you feel is love or not, I've been doing this thing for a couple of years where, and you can correct me if this is wrong, the premise is that on some level we can perceive our soul and to relay whatever feeling, whatever truth, whatever experience we have, to relate it through that space where we could perceive it.

Well Alexis does a child do that?

Participant: No.

And we want to become like a child.

Participant: Yeah. I did it because I feel what I found was that my mind and my eyes are often deceiving me...

I agree.

Participant: ...very easily and so I went from the idea of trying to conceptualise it into a place where I could bring it into an experience, but no it's not what a kid does.

I understand the motivation. Yep.

Participant: So I guess that's kind of the long way?

It is the long way; it is certainly a way a natural love spirit would choose to develop. It's a way that a person would choose to develop by using their intellect to tune into their emotional feelings and to feel the resonance within their soul towards a specific thing. What I'm saying though to you is once the opposition to that releases from your soul that will be an automatic process that you don't have to engage in an intellectual way. [01:06:12.10]

Participant: Yeah, I understand. I also know very much that the whole reason why I actually do it is because I'm worried that this junk's going to like...

And that's the thing; we're often doing an intellectual thing in our spirit body's mind, which is about our real brain, to skip over what's actually happening at the soul level in opposition to it. Now the key is to get what's going on in the soul as much as possible so that we don't have to skip over anything and we can just go to it, release it and then it no longer influences us anymore.

Participant: So what I'm perceiving is not necessarily my soul, but just an aspect of my spirit body?

No I feel what you're perceiving in that moment is you're making a conscious effort in your mind to feel your soul's pure intention, and then to relay that back to your mind, and then you make an intellectual decision. But what I'm saying to you is a child does not do that. A child just feels and does, in its soul. The fact that we can't is because in our soul there is darkness and if we feel and do then we'll sometimes do dark things and so we stop doing that. And instead of releasing the reason for our darkness in our soul, we work our mind to try to feel the pure part of our soul and this is very much a natural love practise that many spirits have encouraged in the spirit world for many, many thousands of years, but it's not going to help you become at-one with God in the end. [01:07:44.09]

A child does not use its intellect to determine the feelings it has in its soul

Participant: What I don't understand is how can I be able to perceive that pure part of my soul without seeing also the darkness part when I relay such a perception?

By being selective in your emotional content you can allow certain emotions to pass through your soul without allowing others, and this is where the mind starts kicking in and muddying the waters a bit, I feel. So a lot of these practices we have to undo, and they are difficult practices to undo, because we've learnt to do them for a reason, and the main reason why we've learnt to do them is because it helps us avoid any darkness in our soul, or more specifically, it helps us avoid acting upon any darkness in our soul. And so that then allows us to see there's darkness in the soul, we have confusion about how to release it so we don't bother releasing it. What we do instead is we engage this secondary process, which actually ignores the darkness in the soul, or skips over it, and just tries to access the goodness in our soul, but a child doesn't do that. So therefore it's not the way we were created to operate, it's the way we now operate because we're trying to deal with the darkness in our soul, without feeling the darkness in our soul and releasing it.

So it certainly is a practice that you can use over and over again, but is it going to bring you to God's Love? The answer is no. It will certainly bring you to natural love, certainly, and so therefore I can't dismiss it as an option, because love is better than no love. [01:09:32.26]

Participant: Well I mean I do it for things like if I'm trying to make a decision and I have absolutely no idea, I just refer to that aspect of my soul and see which one resonates best with it and do it. Is that avoiding dark consequences? Am I avoiding things or is that just the tool I use but I shouldn't use it as a tool to avoid dark emotions?

Well in the end, as I've said too many spirits, using any tool is a result of fear at some level. So there is a fear of a consequence if you don't use the tool. So remember anything that's fear-based is out of harmony with love. So obviously it's not going to bring you very quickly to a place of love, it's going to help you be loving in action, but not in the soul, which if you love in your soul you will automatically be love in action and love in words and love in speech and love in thoughts, automatically. Whereas this way you're having to fabricate a process to create the love and this is something that all of the spirits who are on the Natural Love Path do, and I've talked to many of them doing that and they're finding it very hard to give up because it's a very addictive process too, because it avoids taking dark actions.

I talked recently to a group of spirits who are in the fourth or fifth dimension and they're wanting to get to the Celestial heavens, but they weren't on the Divine Love Path, they were on the Natural Love Path, and they were trying to say to me that there's this process they're going through and that they want me to explain things in the process they were going through; they were wanting me to tell them what to do, but in a way that they already could build upon what they already knew. [01:11:30.25]

And I was saying to them, "You've got to give up what you already know in this because there's this whole aspect of the soul that you have not yet developed. You've developed your spirit body's mind and it's a pretty good mind, but you haven't developed the soul yet in terms of this other aspect." And them giving that up was very, very difficult for them and many of them did not want to do it; they left the conversation not wanting to do it. Some did it, but not all of them.

Usually it's interesting when I have conversations with spirits, sometimes with sprits in a first dimensional condition I can talk to a million or a few million of them at a time and a few million of them will change all at once, and yet when I talk to the spirits in the sixth dimension, and sometimes I've had a conversation with up to five to ten million of them at a time, very few of them have changed at the time of our conversation and it's because of this learned process that they're now being asked to give up, but it feels so attractive. [01:12:38.05]

Participant: Yeah but, as you say, it's a tiring affair.

It's tiring, yes.

Participant: It's just like managing life forever.

It is management, yes, and a child doesn't manage, a child just does and if a child is in perfect harmony with love, everything it does will be in perfect harmony with love. It doesn't have to think about it, yeah.

12. Receiving God's Love

12.1. Information in the Padgett messages about receiving God's Love

Participant: You were mentioning before, AJ, about how it is slightly easier to progress on the Divine Love Path when you're in the spirit world, and then you explained why, but when you read the Padgett Messages you read so many examples of people who didn't know about the Divine Love Path and who found out about it and fairly rapidly, without any real explanation of how they did it, all of a sudden they're receiving God's Divine Love and they're making wonderful progress. There must be a huge amount of detail on actually what they did and how they did it that was left out, because there's a huge difference between saying it's a good idea to do this and then actually explaining what.

I agree. The problem with the Padgett Messages and with any channelled material is that if the person on Earth who's channelling the material is resistive to the process, then you're not going to be able to accurately describe through them what the process is. So all you can do is describe that I went through a process and I'm now receiving Divine Love and so forth, you can't actually give the detail, because the person on Earth is blocked to the detail being received. [01:14:27.04]

And this is a problem that we have with channelling quite a lot still on Earth, is that when we are personally blocked to the information that could be transmitted to us, then it's impossible for a spirit to transmit that information to us clearly, and so most of the time a spirit in a Celestial condition, or a spirit on the Divine Love Path, will basically say, "Well it's pointless me trying to channel that material because it's all just going to get muddied in the process of channelling it. It's better for me to just talk honestly about the situation and what happened and what's happening for me now and give some faith and courage and hope to the people on Earth who are missing those qualities, than it is to muddy the waters with a lot of false information that the medium is going to finish up writing down that's not what I'm saying."

Participant: But how does that then relate to the process of us praying for and asking God to receive Divine Love? Because when you read the Padgett Messages and even it says in the prayer that whenever you ask, if you ask in a state of longing then...

Yes, can you say what is says; it says "a longing". What else does it say? Because it says quite a few words.

12.2. Soul attributes required to receive God's Love

Earnestness, aspirations, faith, and desire. These are the terms that it uses in terms of asking for Divine Love. Earnest, longing, aspiration, faith, desire. Are there any other things that come to mind when you read the Padgett Messages? It uses the word passion very frequently and humility, in humility. It talks about an awakening of the soul; some of the messages say, "The soul must have its awakening to a certain process of truth." [01:16:48.15]

Now can we see that the Padgett Messages themselves are basically talking about what I'm talking about with you? They're talking about developing these qualities within yourself. Now what I'm saying to you is this, what you've grown up with (the world's view) is what you currently have, and what we've got to develop is God's view. So what we've got to understand is God's view of humility, God's view of what earnestness is, God's view of what a longing is, God's view of what faith is, a desire is, a passion is and so forth and we've talked about many of these subjects with you already.

Receiving Divine Love requires attaining God's view of the qualities required

Now can you see that if I don't understand what they are and only intellectually think I know what it is, then I'm already out of harmony with receiving it? Also, if this is based on my soul's longings, and not my mind's longings, which are two very different things; our mind can actually think one thing while your soul is feeling a completely different thing at the same time, that's the reality of how we work. [01:18:07.19]

Now if I'm going in my mind I'm earnest, but at the same time I don't want to hear any truth about my personal emotional condition, am I earnest? This is the condition you yourself are in sometimes, Pete, where in your mind you're earnest, but in your soul you don't want to see what's unloving inside of you, so you're not earnest.

Participant: So does that make the whole process of praying for Divine Love futile?

To a degree, yes, because remember the prayer comes from your soul not from your mind. So you'd be better off praying, "Why don't I want to see myself truthfully?" That would be a better prayer than, "I want God's Love, I want God's Love," while at the same time your soul is going, "I don't want to know anything about my emotional condition." You can't have love without knowing about your emotional condition, that's the reality, and we've got to have an earnest desire to know our emotional condition, not just one that goes, "Oh yeah can you tell me something about my emotional condition? Oh yeah, that's interesting." We go away and we come back a week later and say, "Can you tell me something more about my emotional condition?" "Oh yeah, no worries that's interesting too."

But we don't actually feel it inside of ourselves; we do not really want to know then, do we? But if every single day we're in this prayer with God, "I really want to know what's inside of myself that prevents your love from entering me and I really want to know here, in my heart I want to know, I have a desire to know." And that desire, by the way, won't just be a statement anymore, because every single action I take every single day will be based around this desire, everything. My whole day will be based not around getting things done, working, whatever else, my whole day will be primarily number one will be, my desire to know what's inside of me. [01:20:12.01]

Now that is earnest. That's what earnestness is from God's point of view.

Participant: It seems astonishing for me then that anyone could ever possibly receive any Divine Love given that everyone's got so much error in their soul.

I think, Peter, you're being pretty harsh; because many of you in the audience have often been in this state of earnestness. The problem we face is that we don't feel this state of earnestness every minute of every day, and so we're only going to receive Divine Love during the times of sincere earnestness and longing. Sincere and earnest longing is the only time we're going to receive the Divine Love, and what we've got to realise is that for many of us we are quite insincere most of our days with God and only sincere for minutes at a time generally with God and with our life. Many of us are in huge addictions still, so are we being sincere with God, in our addiction? Definitely not, we need to be a lot more open with God about our addictions and sincere about our addictions.

Now when we have those feelings all the time, and they have to be feelings in our soul, we will be receiving Divine Love all of the time. The reality is, because we've grown up in the world's view of everything, it's going to be very hard initially for us to have any of these feelings. [01:21:57.03]

Receiving Divine Love requires certain soul attributes, not mind attributes

12.3. An example of a man being driven to ask questions by a spirit

Participant: So how do spirits in the spirit world actually magically transform themselves into having all those soul qualities seemingly like magic?

Well firstly can I address the spirit who's with you asking all these questions? This spirit with you has now been asking these questions of me for the last four years, exactly these questions. I've answered many of these questions time after time after time with you. That is because you have a spirit with you who doesn't believe there's such a thing as Divine Love and has never personally felt it and what they're trying to do is they're trying to intellectually understand. They want to know, but they're trying to intellectually understand the process before they engage it and that is the source of all of your questions. So that's number one. [01:22:52.21]

This spirit is with you because you've had a life of teaching the Natural Love Path for what, thirty five years?

Participant: At least twenty five.

At least twenty five and so it's very, very hard for him and yourself to give up this addiction to the Natural Love Path.

Thirdly the spirit with you, does not understand emotional earnestness. He doesn't understand it, he can only get an intellectual earnestness and intellectual desire and intellectual knowledge and he's struggling to get to the emotional questions. So when you've got all of that influence upon you, Peter, then there's also a very strong desire inside of you to understand it all intellectually rather than just engage the process of knowledge.

I have had personal discussions with you as you know for usually many months; in fact I've probably spent more time with you personally than I have with anyone else in this room in terms of their personal emotional condition, except for Mary. (Laughter) Mary's definitely had more of my time than you have, but I can't think of anybody else that's probably had more of my time than you have actually, because we've had many, many conversations, particularly in the early days. And what I've found in every conversation is that there is this spirit who is still influencing you along this line of not wanting to know your personal unloving motivations. And because there is this blindness to personal unloving motivations, that then disallows any emotions about those motivations. And as a result of that there is a desire to hang onto the world's view of love, instead of accepting God's view of love, and that then prevents the flow of love into your soul and these soul attributes are an essential part of receiving God's Love. [01:24:54.11]

And this spirit keeps on bringing up the Padgett Messages to me all the time, saying somehow that I'm conflicting with them. However I am not. The reality is the Padgett messages use all of these terms for the reception of Divine Love and every one of them it says has to come from the soul. In fact there were quite a number of messages that I actually wrote through Padgett that talk about the discrepancy between about what man thinks in his mind and what actually happens in his soul, and we use these terms over and over again, but they have to be from the soul not from the intellect. And if you can start to see that there's a pattern going on here and the pattern is that every one of these feelings is an emotional feeling that has to be real in order for God's Love to be received.

In fact they have to be real for any love to be engaged. Do you understand what I mean by that? So you can have a relationship with a partner, but if you're not earnest in the relationship, it's not love. If you don't have a longing in the relationship then it's not love. If you're not having desire and passion and sincerity in the relationship, then it's not love you're going to be feeling, it's going to be co-dependent addictions that you're in.

It's the same principle with God as it is with a partner, in the sense that if these are not coming from your heart then it's all just a figment of your mind. It's really a figment of your imagination that you're in love, because you're not. You're only in love when you feel the feelings of love flowing through you and coursing through your veins and the other person who you're with feels it strongly from you, now we have an engagement of the actual emotions that are involved. [01:26:48.16]

Now the spirit with you, Pete, doesn't want to engage the emotions and then he gives you influence to not engage yours. So what he does is he causes you to go into this line of doing things rather than feeling things. Do you see?

Participant: Is it that he doesn't want to know or that he doesn't know?

No, he thinks he wants to know. He thinks he wants to know, a bit like you in fact. And this is how the Law of Attraction works. He thinks he wants to know but he's still trying to use his mind to resolve it all and you can't discover or work through the Divine Love Path by using your mind to discover it all, you can't. That's why there are still many, many spirits in the sixth dimension who are in their mind, who have yet to discover the Divine Love Path because they're trying to use their mind to intellectualise it. [01:27:50.20]

12.4. Developing God's definition of soul attributes

You've heard of it The Urantia Book? It's two thousand pages of spirits intellectualising the physical workings of the universe, not understanding it in their soul. That's what it is. Two thousand rice paper pages of that, and the reality is any person reading it who's going to be attracted to is only going to be another person who's in their mind, because you could not be attracted to it any other way.

Participant: I read it twice.

You read it twice; yeah (laughter) and we know where you are, don't we? That's okay. The key is to recognise it. You don't need to condemn any of these things. We've got to stop our judgements. You don't need to condemn any of these things, we've just got to state them as truths. [01:28:55.19]

For many of us who have come from the Natural Love Path, we are still in the natural love way of doing things and this applies not just to you, Peter, but to the majority of our audience still. We're still in the natural love way of doing things because we've had years of learning it, and it appeals to us. It appeals to our fear and it appeals to our mind and that's why we struggle with the soul-based learning.

Now what we need to do, and the spirits who are with us need to do, is need to understand that all of these words - humility, earnestness, longing, aspiration, faith, desire, passion, awakening, and sincere - that we're now using can be used as intellectual words if we wish, but if you look at all of them they all have feelings involved and it's the engagement of feeling that's essential with love. You can't say you love when you don't feel it.

Now the world is used to saying, "I love you," without feeling any of it and in fact it gets worse than that. Our parents said they loved us while they had a stick in their hand beating us. Now that's a pretty big distortion of the feeling of love, because what is the feeling coming out of them? A lot of the times rage, anger, resentment, all sorts of emotions are coming out of them, which they are calling love while they are doing it. This is the case in your family, Pete. Your parents called a lot of things love that were not loving. [01:30:47.10]

Now as a result of that we grew up in this world's view that love is all of these different things, and we look at the words and we don't even get the words, because we've been taught that my mum used the word love, my mum used the word sincere, my dad used the word desire, and they all use the words, but the emotion coming out of them is what we learnt to associate with that word. So if the emotion coming out of them, "I love you," is the word coming out and the emotion coming out of them is this rage, what do we associate love with? Rage or fear or terror or pain; there's an automatic association. It's unavoidable.

Now instead of condemning ourselves for that, and for not understanding, and I feel to an extent this is what you do sometimes when I have these conversations with you, Pete, the key is to allow yourself to go, "Well okay, what I'm trying to do here is undo years of programming of the world's viewpoint, which my mother and father imbibed through their own life and which I imbibed as a result. And what I'm trying to do is undo this, years and years of it."

Now initially I'm not going to be very sincere about it, that's a fact. I'm going to go, "There's an addiction being met, there's another addiction you beauty, I can be in addictions on the Divine Love Path as well." And that's how we often feel that we can stay feeling similar addictions and stay in the similar process, but just go onto a different path. You can't do that with God. God sees everything, knows everything and feels everything from you. God knows what's within and God knows whether this is sincere or not, that's the truth.

So when we engage our mind, as we often do in the process of analysing the path, we are neglecting the soul, we unfortunately still believe in what the world's view is going to be the entire time, even though we're hearing different words, because unfortunately we put the same words to the things we've always believed them to be. [01:33:16.19]

And this is where a problem I have talking to many spirits on the Natural Love Path. So I start talking about God and they go, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." What do you believe God to be? And then they sort of pause a bit and then when you ask them a few deeper questions, they believe that they are God. So every time I mention the word God, they're not thinking of some entity who is the law maker of the universe, they're not thinking that, they're thinking "me". There's a big difference between those two. So they're going, "Yeah I understand, I get love from God, I'm God so therefore I'm getting love from myself to myself." Do you see like I'm speaking these words that they are now interpreting through these different meanings that they've grown up with and many of them encouraged over years, and so they think I'm speaking about the same thing, but I'm not. And I have to stop sometimes and say, "Look you believe that I'm speaking the same thing that you understand but I'm not." How do you describe to somebody something when they believe that thing is something else, and they also believe they know what that thing is? It's very hard.

And this is the problem that we have when addressing some of our spirit friends who are on the Natural Love Path and also many people on Earth who are on the Natural Love Path, we're often thinking that what's been spoken of is completely different to what is. [01:34:47.11]

12.5. Developing God's way of learning through the soul

Participant: So what happened to those fortunate people in the spirit world who actually got some help and after longing and whatever, were able to receive Divine Love?

One very simple thing happened. They learnt to be like a child. The very first thing they did was undid their method of learning. Something that you have yet to do and many people in the room have yet to do, they undid their method of learning that they preferred and now accepted God's method of learning.

Participant: How did they do that?

Well it required a lot of humility. It requires a lot of giving up the mind and giving up this process that you've had for many, many years and now accepting this other process of, "What is really going on inside of me at any point in time emotionally?" Recognising it, being honest about it, and reflecting upon it. This is something you're yet to prepare to do, just as many others in the audience are yet to prepare to do.

Participant: Is that easier to do when you're a spirit?

No, not necessarily, because as I've said I've talked to many spirits in the sixth dimension, who I've had many hundreds of conversations with, and they still aren't doing it. So it's not necessarily easier, it's just that something needs to happen inside of ourselves that causes the switch between those two points. The first way of dealing with things in the mind is very fear-based so it usually indicates there is a lot of fear in the person when they're doing it; fear that they're in denial of. And I put to you that there's a lot of fear inside of you that you're in denial of that causes you to want to maintain this intellectual perspective. And for the spirits with you, there's a lot of fear in them that they're in denial of that they want to maintain the intellectual perspective. You've got to allow yourself to even see the fear, be willing to even see it, that's a part of humility. [01:36:47.00]

12.6. Developing a desire to truly see ourselves

Most of us on Earth are not willing to see. We don't want to see. We say we do because saying the words mean that we get away with a lot of things, but we can't get away with things with God. So God can feel whether we're humble or not. So the reality is if I'm not receiving Divine Love, then it has to be something to do with me, because it's definitely not something to do with God. God is perfect and God always responds to a sincere desire.

So if I'm not receiving Divine Love the only other person in the equation between God and me is me, and so it has to be something to do with me that I'm not giving up. Many times we get shown what it is every week, but we are so resistive to seeing it. God shows us, no. God shows us, no. Shows us, no. Shows us, no. A lot of times it's hundreds of times we've been shown the same law, the Law of Attraction has activated our soul, it has activated it constantly, and God is constantly through this law demonstrating the truth to us which we ignore. Ignore again, ignore again, ignore again and we continue ignoring until we really want to see and this is why I talk about looking at your face in the mirror. We do not often want to see the reflection, that's the reality. [01:38:21.17]

Now what happens with many of the people in the spirit world is their reflection is for all to see. Every single person in the spirit world looks as bad as they feel. You know if we looked as bad as we felt, it would be very positive for us generally, but the problem here on Earth is there's a time delay between how we feel and how we look, and because of that time delay we can look in the mirror and think, "Yeah everything's fine today," when everything isn't fine emotionally today. There are emotions of anger, rage, there are emotions of where I'd really like to kill that person, I'm sick of this person. There are emotions of wanting to have sex with that person who's not my partner and there are all these other murky emotions inside there that we don't want to see. And we look at the mirror and because we can see the outside face, we go everything's fine, but a spirit can't do that. A spirit looks in the mirror and sees their reflection.

Participant: And what happens then when they see that?

Well because they can see their reflection, they go, "Wow, I'm a mess," and there's a higher likelihood for them to engage a process when they can see they're a mess.

Participant: And what's the process?

You've heard it hundreds of times before, Peter, so I'm not going to describe it again. However can I say something? The spirits often have just as much self-denial as we do here on Earth. Last week I spoke to a group of women spirits who I mentioned earlier and those women spirits refused to look in the mirror. I asked them to look in a mirror and they just flat out refused and they actually got angry with me, "Why are you making us look in the mirror? We don't have to look in the mirror, we're beautiful," they kept saying. They were telling me that they're beautiful and I could feel that no, they're definitely not beautiful. So I'm asking them to look in the mirror, look in the mirror, eventually they looked in the mirror. They asked me whether it was a trick. That's how much self-denial they had about seeing themselves, and for us on Earth the reality is that's how much self-denial we have about seeing ourselves. [01:40:48.18]

And unless we can begin to see ourselves truthfully, most the time we do not have these emotions with God (humility, earnestness, longing, aspiration, faith, desire, passion, awakening, and sincere) and most the time we have no intention of acting like a child, and instead we have every intention of holding on to our current set of beliefs. Until we can see the truth of that, we cannot progress, and that's the position that you face.

You, yourself are so attracted to the truth in your heart, there's this deep attraction inside of you to the truth, but there is also the same desire at the same time as what your parents had, they wanted you to completely not see yourself. So while there's this huge desire in you for the truth, at the same time there's this huge desire inside of you not to see yourself and that's what's causing the difficulties for your own progression. And that is going to attract spirits around you in the same condition who will also feel the same way. [01:41:53.13]

And so the key is to allow yourself to see the truth of yourself no matter how bad it is and to be happy that you can see it rather than feeling like, "Now I'm a mess. I might as well go and shoot myself." Allow yourself to see it. When you allow yourself to see the truth of how you really are rather than how you want to be perceived, then you will make a lot of progress because inside of your own soul is a strong desire for truth that's driving you through all of that stuff, despite all of that pressure that your parents put upon your family is, the desire for truth is still there. You can see the desire for truth is in your sister and even your brother to a degree, the desire for truth is still present. So obviously the three of you have a strong desire for truth but at the same time it's difficult because there is a strong desire put into you by your parents as well, of not wanting to see yourself as you really are. They want you to be what they want you to be and only see that.

And this is why it's become even more difficult since the parents have passed, for you and more difficult for Jen, your sister as well, there's still this natural desire in the both of you to want to please your parents and therefore see what they see, which is actually the world's view.

Participant: Thanks very much, AJ.

My pleasure, Pete.

13. Closing Words

There's going to be another session on this subject of the world's view of love (Human Relationships - The World's Definition of Love Session 3) because I feel it's just such an important subject, to see the contrast between our view, the world's view and why there is such a contrast between those two positions. [01:44:02.29]

We have four or five other really popular world's view of love that we'd like to present, but in addition to that, what I said at the start of this discussion and at the start of the first discussion that the world thinks it knows what love is. Now we're already seeing that it thinks it knows what love is, but it doesn't really know what love is.

The world thinks it knows what love does. Now we haven't yet finished discussing the first subject of what love is, let alone yet talking about knowing what love does and then the third subject we've yet to cover that the world thinks it knows what love feels like. [01:45:21.05]

So what we would like to do in our future discussions of these subjects is to discuss more what love is and give you some more pointers of comparison, where you can compare the difference between what love is from the world's perspective and compare that with what love is from God's perspective. And we want to do the same with what love does and we want to the same with what love feels like, in our presentation about the world's definition of love.

Now hopefully after we've done that, you'll have a much stronger conception within yourself, even if it's an intellectual one, of the difference between the world's view and God's view. And we will also, through the discussion, discover a lot of the reasons why the world's view is very different to God's view as well.

Okay, so how do you feel about today? Was it good for you to feel about love? (Applause) That's good.

This subject of love as you would probably guess is Mary and my favourite subject, so our soul's favourite subject is this subject of love and a very close second is the subject of truth; a very close second actually. So those two subjects are subjects that are really dear to our heart and there are a lot of things that need to be presented about love to the world.

Now can I just say something to you though? For each of us we need to remember one thing and that is this. You can talk until you're blue in the face about love but unless you are being love, no one is going to believe you and that's really something that I'd like to leave you with to ponder about. Unless we actually be love, and the only way we can be love is getting rid of the things that stop us from being love that are inside of us emotionally, there is actually no proof of the love itself. You see we can speak of it over and over but unless there is proof of it, changing your life and actually you becoming more loving inside of yourself, others cannot be attracted. [01:50:08.19]

13.1. Growing in love attracts others to the Divine Love Path

Now if you look around at the group here that is here in our current location, for the last year around about it has not grown. Do you notice that? There have been a couple of new faces here and there, but for this group in this region it has not grown. Why do you think that is? Because we're yet to be love enough where it will attract other people to the truth, that's the reason why it's not grown.

And so that then puts a responsibility on us, of going, "Okay why aren't I being love? What addictions am I still in? What addictions am I practising still that cause me to not accept God's view of love?" Because when you do accept God's view of love and you also make the changes inside of your soul that release the negative things inside of your soul, and you actually become loving as a result, people around you will automatically be attracted to it. They won't be able to help themselves, because everyone is attracted to love pretty much, and this is something that we need to bear in mind in our own progression. Without ourselves changing and actually becoming love, the next group of people cannot be assisted, because the reality is one person can only usually assist a few hundred people at the most.

So unless there are more people in a state of love who can help others, this is how large it will be in this area until more of us get into a place where we are able to assist others through, not our words; many of us say the words but it's through the feelings coming from us, that's the thing that everyone will be attracted to. [01:52:20.17]

So if we can just bear that in mind. I'm not saying that to you to hurry up and do anything, I'm just suggesting to you that growth can only occur when the helpers are ready. Now many of you I believe are going to be helpers, but we need to get ready to provide that help and assistance. And to get ready that means we ourselves need to be in enough of a condition of love where we're not misleading groups of people, but rather helping them to get towards God and towards love, ourselves.

13.2. Difficulties in connecting in a relationship with fear

Mary: I just wanted to add about what AJ said earlier a couple of months ago, I moved out of our place and that was a really hard decision really. It was a mutual decision but I had a lot of feelings about failing and a lot of feelings of fear about what this means for us, and a bit of fear about people's expectations of us. But what I said to him at the time was, "Babe, you've brought me to water so many times but you can't make me drink. You know I need to step up and really live this and break through this big wall of terror that is ruling my life."

And I just wanted to say that I see him bring us all to water all the time, but he can't make us drink. And I suppose what I wanted to share with you is that the drinking is the best bit. The listening, as I said earlier, to these beautiful words that resonate so strongly with us, it feels magical while we're sitting here and we go, "Yes this is the truth," but even more powerful is the passion that I have for the path now that I've really started to drink. And like you were saying to someone earlier today it feels really off balance, out of kilter, everything's upside down and...

And it's good.

Mary: And it's really good. It's really good because you feel your soul growing in that place and honestly the closeness that I feel we have now is just... yeah. We were interfacing with my fear before, now there is more of a soul connection. So I just wanted to inspire you a little bit maybe in that direction because it feels so worthwhile to me.

Before with Mary and me it was feeling like, and I know this sounds really bad probably but I'll say it anyway. Have any of you seen Naked Gun, I think it's number two or number three, where they're trying to have sex with big condoms over their entire body? (Laughter) Well I just felt like Mary was sort of covered in this rubber sheath if you like. (Laughter)

Mary: Could no one please imagine that? (Laughter)

Sorry. And I'm trying to touch her heart, but the fear was like the sheath. The fear is like the block to actually touching her heart, and when we talked about it together about spending this time apart to actually help addressing some of my addictions too; my addictions to make Mary feel comfortable and so forth had to be addressed as well, and Mary's terror had to be addressed in the sense that she needed to allow herself to get into it without expecting someone to come along and rescue her from it. And now it feels a lot better like I'm not sort of touching Mary through something, and this is what fear does to us a lot you know, it causes us to put this wall around all of us so that when somebody comes to actually have some kind of interaction with us, it's like they're touching us through a wall and it's very, very difficult. [01:56:32.20]

In terms of satisfaction, if you can imagine when a mother has her baby and they put the child in a humidicrib and you've got to go in through these gloves, and you can only touch the child through gloves, and the dissatisfaction in the mother is quite powerful, because there's no embracing, there's no loving; that's what it feels like. You feel frustrated in your love.

And this is what fear does to relationships, it frustrates the relationship so much that nothing can build and grow and I feel this is why we addressed this issue with fear about the world's view of love today, because if you don't address that, at the end of the day you're left with this fear and terror as being the primary dominant motivating factor in your relationship, and particularly in your relationship with God, and that's really not going to work at the end of the day and it's certainly not going to work with our relationship with each other either.

We'd like to thank you for your patience and understanding today and we'd like to thank you too for your donations. We look forward to seeing you tomorrow for those of you who can come. Love you. (Applause)

Appendix: Human Relationships – The World's Definition Of Love Seminar Outline

### Introduction

The World Thinks:

It knows what Love is

It knows what Love does

It knows what Love feels like

### Comparison Of What Love Is (Session 1)

World's Viewpoint

Love is painful

Love is demanding

Love is sacrifice

Love is justice

God's Truth

Love is NEVER painful

Love is NEVER demanding

Love is NEVER sacrifice

Love is NOT justice

### Comparison Of What Love Is (Session 2)

Additional examples of what the world believes Love is

World's Viewpoint

Love allows abuse

Love is compromise

Love means never having to change

Love is jealous

Love allows "white" lies

God's Truth

Love NEVER abuses, nor allows abuse

Love NEVER compromises

Love ALWAYS results in growth

Love is NEVER jealous

Love NEVER lies, nor allows the lie

### Comparison Of What Love Does (Session 3)

Examples of what the world believes love does

World's Viewpoint

Love takes away bad feelings

Love helps us avoid our own pain

People who love me will do what I want

Lying for Love is a good thing

I will do anything for Love

Love is always personally loyal

Love means never having to say you're sorry

God's Truth

Love NEVER takes away any feelings

Love ALWAYS embraces pain

Love is loyal to God's Truth first

Love is loyal to personal truth next

Love NEVER does what is demanded

Love NEVER lies

Love requires adherence to principles

Love places its own requirements

Love is only loyal to Truth & Love itself

Love cannot be loyal to fear

Love often requires repentance or sorrow

Love always recognizes an error

Love always admits the error

### Comparison Of What Love Feels Like (Session 4)

Examples of what the world believes love feels like

World's Viewpoint

Love always feels pleasurable

Love always feels satisfying

Love feels like family

Love feels comforting

Love is preventing another's painful feelings

God's Truth

Love often 'feels bad' due to Love confronting emotional injuries within

Since Love comes with the Truth, the Truth associated with Love is often uncomfortable

Love cannot satisfy anger or rage

Love cannot satisfy fear

Love cannot satisfy addictions

Family and Love are often incompatible

Family beliefs are confronted by Love

Love often feels discomforting

Love often feels confronting

Love always tells the truth about pain

Love always allows painful feelings

Love always encourages truthful feelings

