Alain Soral interviewed by BFM TV, owner Alain Weill
For the program Grand Angle of 11.12.2013
entire interview
Soral: So, now to the questioning
Interviewer: Yes
So, Mr Soral, we are doing a topic about Dieudonné
Soral: Dieudonné M'bala M'bala?
Interviewer: yes
Soral: understood
Interviewer: So, dieudonné M'bala M'bala,
How do you know him?
The first time you've met him?
Soral: We first met when I wrote a text about him,
In my ABC-book about the pervading stupidity
That dates back to 2002, I believe
Wherein I criticized him at the time
Saying that,
That he practiced a quite simplistic form of anti-racism
Attacking the racism of the French
Although he was one of the favorite comedians of the French
Populair in a country like France
Though he is originally Cameroonian
Showed that the French weren't that racist
Else he wouldn't have been a star in France
And in fact,
This text made him curious
So, he wanted to meet me
And we met
Interviewer: When was this?
Soral: In 2003, I believe
So we met we discussed, we agreed on nearly everything,
Because he admitted, effectively..
I think he already had his doubts about institutional anti-racism
Like “SOS Racisme” etc, that's what he told me back then
He already had had a small fight with Julien Dray(Politician/Founder of SOS Racisme)
So we had a discussion and the discussion seemed interesting to him
That ended there
Following this, to continue our story,
Was when he had done his infamous sketch at Fogiel
Which dates back to 2003, possibly?
And at a certain point,
They were looking for someone willing to defend Dieudonné in the media
When he had to endure a wave of outrage, the day after the sketch
A wave of outrage, that had nothing to do with public outrage
Because if you have the decency to watch the show again
No one felt offended about what he had truly said
And..
In those days I was often invited by Paul Wermus (french tv-host)
And Wermus asked me if I was willing to defend dieudonné
I said yes
So I went, we found ourselves on a stage with about ten others
All this has been archived if you want to see for yourselves
And the topic was, we cannot laugh...
We cannot laugh about everything...
We cannot laugh about everything, we cannot laugh with anyone
And I asked the question, which was the key question, "yes, but who makes the list?"
An awkward silence followed
I insisted by saying that there are people who have the means to make lists in France
It's always the same people and others not
This is when my demonization and my ostracization started
Interviewer: With Dieudonné's support?
Interviewer: While supporting Dieudonné? Soral: yes while supporting Dieudonné, ofcourse
Also because I was still invited at "Les Grandes Gueules" on RMC (French radio)
And I had also defended Dieudonné on RMC
I told them to go see for themselves, at "Le Zenith" theater,
What the content of his show really was
The next day I had been removed from the program
Of the RMC
By the boss
Same for him, you can find his name, I forgot
But I believe he was a member of the organized community
Interviewer: So from that moment on, you became friends and kept contact?
Soral: from that moment, seen that I was being demonized and boycotted just like him
Well, this inevitably creates a kind of solidarity
So I have taken the habit of defending him,
Because I consider that what is happening at the moment is completely delusional
Especially when there was an article by Bernard-Henri Levy(French philosopher) in “le point”
Which portrayed him as being the biological son of Le Pen
Maybe even Hitler's later...
So from that point, I found it so scandalous
That an anti-racist, who had fought a permanent battle against the National Front, without problems
The moment he applied his anti-racism to Israel
All of a sudden gets massacred
Not as being an anti-Zionist, but as a racist, neo-fascist etc.
And I unravel, I would say, I analyse as a journalist and sociologist
This sort of machine that has been put in motion against him
I see this as a proof of there being a problem in France, but this problem is not Dieudonné or racism
It's the allmight of the jewish organized community
What we called the Zionist community
It’s the marker to determine it
Because they put the Israeli interests before the French interests
Which follows a logic which is very near the logic of the Likud
So I said that this was the problem
They advised me not to repeat this analysis too much because it could cause me some trouble
And this is in fact where all my troubles came from
The fact that I kept repeating this analysis which to me seemed just and founded
So it’s for this reason that I have had all my troubles
Interviewer: But my original question was: from here on you became friends? You started working together?
We have never been friends nor have we worked together
We exchange
We exchange and we support each other, at times of need
But there is no fusion
Dieudonné...
Doesn't exactly get in to  the same subjects as I do, instead of what some might believe
He is a comedian
I'm not quite a comedian
He’s a guy who comes from anti-racism,  internationalism,
From the libertarian-left we could say
When I, rather come from the Marxist-Leninist left
In the beginning
And later on I moved towards Nationalism
So we don’t share the exact same worldview and clients
But we are both persecuted by the same
That's the idea
And at a certain moment it is something rather elegant
That a native French and an immigrant French
Support each other
Against a communitarian violence
Because in the end multicultural France, that’s us
It’s me, Dieudonné and others
Like Salim Laibi...
Camel Bechikh
And that is what annoys the..
"The authorities"
Because now you have seen that a war has been declared against us, by the minister of interior
Manuel Valls who declares a war against us
Among others
We are in a solidarity that is a bit teasing so to say
It's true that from time to time we show up together
But I have my "Egalité et Reconcilation"
He has "La Main D'Or"
And his shows
But we haven't fused
Interviewer: Do you go to see his shows? What do you think about them?
Does he make you laugh? Do you find it funny?
Soral: I go to all of his shows, evidently
Since 2004, I think
And to me it seems clear and certain
That he is the funniest comedian in France, the most talented
Maybe even the only comedian, because he is the only one who dares to broach the subjects
On which we can produce a mocking laugh
Today,
The Bedos(comedian father and son) have become completely consensual
Desproges is dead
I think that Coluche would be on the same line today
As Dieudonné, Had he been alive today, that's my point of view
And in fact
I think that a lot of people have understood
And that's what worries the system
That Dieudonné is the best comedian in France
First of all because of his talent,
But also because he addresses truly risky subjects
And it is when we put ourselves in danger that we can produce a laughter that’s explosive
Where the others don't dare to go
Out of fear
And that is the question that's really getting bothersome
Namely, what are the people afraid of today?
We can see that they are all afraid of the same thing,
Afraid to be called a fascist, to be called a Nazi, to be called a racist
And of course on top of everything, to be called an anti-Semite
And every time a comedian tries to resemble Dieudonné, to be a bit more performing
And show that they have a certain free spiritedness
As we have seen recently with Thoen
He did a sketch that quite failed
And immediately he took the organized Jewish community upon himself
He was forced to do what we call his "teshuva"
To ask for forgiveness
He was ridiculed, humiliated
He has dumped on me, dumping on me has become part of the forced ritual
He wasn't funny and he wasn't courageous
And I think he has compromised his future
So here we are in the actual context
So to answer your question:
Dieudonné is the funniest comedian in France
He is even more than a comedian today
He has become a comedian and a politician, in the good sense of the word
And he has, in a certain way
He has left the story of the purely spectacle
To enter the story of France
Meaning that he is leading a battle, atypical
New, modern, this is Gramchism...
Point, I don't know how you say this, point two
I believe that the historians will study the sequence Dieudonné-Soral
As something very interesting
From a political point of view
And of the invention of a new way of doing politics
From this point of view it's true that we joined up
We do a different kind of politics
Interviewer: Well in fact that is my next question
Well, His shows...
When his show go beyond being simply shows
Has he than become a political persona?
Like I said, it's a different way of doing politics
But a true comedian is always doing politics
Coluche a little while before his death
Started doing more and more serious comedy
That means, doing comedy on subjects that aren't simply silly or on subjects that are conventional
And he started to put himself more in danger, Coluche
As for that matter, he is dead...
I’m not going to hold forth on that
But I believe that, if Coluche would have continued
People always want to renew themselves
Comediens always move towards the serious
It can end up ridiculous, like with Bedos, when they don't have the courage nor the talent
Ending up calling Marine Le Pen, Hitler
That is quite ridiculous
But the temptation of the comedian
Who in the first place is there to make you laugh,
He is an animator of weddings and feasts, you know
In the era of the television
And normally he starts very young
So with very little political maturity
And when he advances in life he starts to bring in more serious topics
Desproges was the best example,
Desproges took a lot of risk with his subjects
You see,
He dared to start his show with
"It seems that some Jews have sneaked into the audience" or something like that
Today this would be inconceivable
And Dieudonné is a true comedian
And this goes back to Molière
To be a true Comedian
One has to attack the powers that be, a bit, and take some risks
And in a way, there is a continuation between Molière,
His talent at that time and his troubles
And Dieudonné who also has been the favorite comedian of the system
He has been the comedian of the year, with its price for comedian of the year etc.
We see, when we watch his videos, the people who pay him a visit in his lodge, after his shows
At the time of "Cocorico"
When the whole showbusiness came to see
And even all the left wing politicians
Who came to congratulate him for being the funniest and most courageous comedian
But at a certain moment, when he, continuing his anti-racist logic,
Starts to point out the racism of contemporary Israel,
All of a sudden,
The system went for his throat
Just as with Molière, who in disgrace was forced to hit the road
And the exceptionality of Dieudonné,
Is that instead of submitting himself, shutting up and asking for forgiveness
As has done Bigard, who has practically disappeared
Dieudonné didn't submit
He did an unprecedented show called “Mes excuses”
Wherein he starts with
“Forgive me, oh Chosen people!” etc
And this is something unprecedented
Which effectively demands a lot of courage
But also great talent, because he never made the mistake of becoming hateful
He has always remained very funny
And in reality he has always stayed morally very just
He has never fallen for what we call anti-semitism
It's simply not true
He has always criticized communitarianism in it's entirety
He mocked Muslims as well as Catholics, and teachers
Even Africans
Antillian Africans and African Africans
He does the whole job
But the only community that forbids him to laugh at- or criticize them
Is the Jewish organized community
Because they have the means,
And they have this stiffness in relation to criticism, they can’t support it
All other communities, the Muslims included
Which we portray as being very opposed to criticism
When it's "Charlie Hebdo"(magazine) I understand because that's pure insult and provocation
But Dieudonné went very far with his humor on Muslims
And the Muslims never reproached him this
For me this is an observed reality
Unfortunately you the media should make this observation
Something happened which makes that
On the topic of Dieudonné,
The media have turned towards making war propaganda in service of the "CRIF"(French Jewish Lobby)
That's how I would state it
But it's moreover very interesting because
Little-by-little
The medias are discrediting themselves
They cannot manage to discredit Dieudonné, it is they who burn themselves
And lose more and more of their audience
And you'll witness now if I'm prophetic
Canal+ dared to attack Dieudonné frontally
Our youth thought that Canal+ is a channel that is “in”
Humoristic and daring
They will lose an enormous amount of viewers to Dieudonné
I'm willing to bet on that
Interviewer: To what do you attribute the success of Dieudonné?
Soral: Because he says the truth!
There is,
In France,
A totalitarian drift, today
Which started in the name of the fight against fascism,
A fascism without fascism
In the name of anti-racism and the defense of the minorities,
Has become a dictatorship of the politically correct,
Instrumentalized by what I call the organized Jewish community
With whom I don’t mean the everyday Jew, but the CRIF
Exclusively for the interests of Israel
And since Israel is the last Apartheid country in the world
The timing is good to talk about this, seen that at the moment we are remembering Nelson Mandela
And nobody has dared to say that the boycott of south Africa,
Has been done for exactly the same reasons,
As to which we should be boycotting Israel at this moment
Today the French justice system is prosecuting people, who try to boycott Israel
When before, it was forbidden to support South Africa
We are in a total malfunctioning of the French republican and democratic value system
Because of the great influence of the Zionist lobby in France
And when I say Zionist lobby
I call it the lobby of the organized Jewish community
Which defines itself by its unconditional Zionism
Not a Zionism like that of the Likud
No I mean Zionism like the Zionism of the kibbutz in the 70’s
Which is an extreme right Zionism
But what is intolerable is that the same people who are criticizing
“The National Front” of Marine Le Pen
Who would be more left than Clemenceau in politics today
Unconditionally support Israel
Which is the most extreme right, globally!
Face to face, nobody can deny this
And, this complete dysfunctioning is starting to be understood by the masses
In the first place because it’s obvious!
And because Dieudonné and people like me will show it.
So we have an enormous amount of trouble because we are showing this
But at the same time we are enormously supported by the public
And we sense a panicking effect
A panicking effect which results in you interviewing me here today
When I'm being boycotted
By the mainstream media since 2005
Approximately 2004 or 2005
Interviewer: I'm here to interview
Soral: Yes, you are here because the problem has to be managed!
It's not you who decided...
Interviewer: I’m not managing the problem,
I see that this person has success and no one talks about him, so I ask you questions...
Soral: Yes but, you don't work autonomously,
Soral: you're working for a media named BFM
Which is not exactly what you call a libertarian media company
Nor does it share my opinion
Interviewer: I didn’t came here to defend anything,
I came here because I saw that there is someone succesfull who we don’t talk about
Soral: Your direction has allowed you to interview me
When before, the order was “nothing on Soral”
I have been a professional journalist, since long before you
I have had my press card since 1990, I think
I know how it works
Today you have been authorized to interview me
Last year if you would have said, "we are going to interview soral"
It would have been, "No, nothing on Soral"
"He doesn't exist anymore"
Today, this strategy of Dieudonné doesn’t exist anymore
Remember the text by BHL(Bernard-Henri Levy)
It went like: "No one will go to the show of Dieudonné"
"Dieudonné doesn't make anyone laugh anymore"
Which Manuel Valls(Minister of interior) repeated last week
Which is a scandalous lie and slander
Dieudonné is the biggest living merchant of spectacle tickets in France
I write bestseller after bestseller
I sell six times the amount of copies that Bernard-Henri Levy sells.
Since at least the last four or five books
So today you are also here because you have to manage a tremendous lie
That can no longer be managed
By simply drawing a veil of silence
Or by what is called the layer of lead strategy
Meaning that, To not give the floor to Soral
Who has given the floor to himself, through the internet
Is even worse than to give it to him
Interviewer: I’m not having the impression that Dieudonné hits the lines in all the media at the moment
Interviewer: and that he is the follower...
Soral: No no, he is...
Interviewer: He doesn't hit the headlines of "Le Parisien", you don't see a topic...
Soral: Dieudonné is permanently in the media
The entire time
When the Minister of Interior, starts his speech by saying,
"We must save the republic by combating Dieudonné and Soral"
When there are Socialist party ceremonies being organized, in the name of fighting racism
Wherein there is a line-up of people attacking me
Like Fourest at the “Theatre Du Rond-Point”
When I’m a marginal figure who makes videos on a Ikea couch
On the internet
It means that it's the republic who's having problems, with dissidents who start to bother them
It resembles a lot to the period of the USSR under Brezhnev's rule
Where at a given time, the dissidents,
That had been send to the Gulags, well metaphorically for psychiatric reasons
The problem couldn't be solved anymore by silence, threats or assaults
I have had the right to all of these
You know this, physical aggression, tax inspections, trials,
Boycott
But this is no longer enough
So what the mainstream media do,
You are not the only one
I have just been asked by “Complement d'enquete” (news magazine on TV 5) for an interview
We see now that “rue89”(news website) writes an article about “Egalité et Reconciliation”(Soral’s website) every three days
About our economy,
On our clientele, etc. etc.
All this doesn't happen out of mere chance
“Rue 89” you know these are the mainstream media
It’s the “nouvel observerateur”(news magazine) etc etc.
Interviewer: What bothers them, according to you, in this success?
About the fact that Dieudonne’s videos are being viewed extremely much
Soral: 3 million views! On Dieudonné’s video’s
And I get 200.000 views on video’s that are very technical, long and “intellectual”
Interviewer: This success of Dieudonné, to get back to
Soral: To him!
Interviewer: to him
Well, in what way does he bother?
He bothers because,
Dieudonné produces a radical explanation for the dysfunctioning of the system
Which is true
And which is more and more because of his talent
Is being understood as true
By people of bigger and bigger importance
When it affects only people of marginal importance
Or a small elite
The system doesn't care much
But we see now, a massive effect
Notably “the Quenelle”!
When we see, police officers, fire fighters,
Military men,
Students,
And common people, doing the Quenelle on every occasion
This Quenelle that is a sign of insubmission,
To the people who wanted to put Dieudonné into submission
Those in power get worried
Because this is something that resembles  “Les Bonnets Rouge”(the red hats)
On the plan of the labour party
Which means something pre-insurrectionary, but not of a violent manner
Through irony
Through comedy and through derision
Which is a new form of dissidence
And I’m proud that the French, who have always been innovators in politics,
Since the French revolution
Have invented this modern form of dissidence and insubmission
Which is Dieudonné's dissidence
So through humour and mockery
And not through violence, hatred etc.
From this point of view the left-wingers are completely square
They are still stuck on this anti-facism
As if Hitler is about to invade Poland
Trying to make us believe that...
Can you imagine the shortcut they make,
Dieudonné is Hitler
As if Dieudonné would like to reinvade Poland
And...
And reduce Stalingrad to ashes
When one arrives at this kind of stupid propaganda
One ridicules himself
Today, the strategy of those in power is ridiculous
And the people... I think that...
The prince is terrified for the people to snigger
It's insupportable for him
He prefers the people to insult him or to be vilified by them
And today, that's where we're at
We are laughing on behalf of those in power
And this they find very bothersome because
The experts in communication of the system, never had to deal with a similar problem
They knew how to deal with Jean-Marie Le Pen(founder of "Front National")
Who already had a comical dimension, that was less announced
But with Dieudo they don’t know how, so they are in panic
So they are making ridiculous counter-comedy
By creating Eboué(comedian) for example or “rions ensemble contre le racisme”(let’s laugh together against racism)
But there is no talent, it makes no one laugh
It’s the equivalent of “Zhdanov doctrine” in the period of the USSR
Effectively, They have a big problem with a speaker of truth, namely Dieudonné
Because, I’m not going to talk about myself here
Who, on top off that, spreads truth trough a new whole medium
Which is through derision and humor
And the ruling class is disturbed
By this massive succes
Of the masses, this is the reality
Interviewer: You spoke about Coluche, Desproges
Dieudonné in his shows, is talking a lot about,
Israel, the Jews, the Holocaust
Is this his commercial base?
Is this his ideology, is it..
well, we talk a lot more about this than about other themes
Soral: No no no, that isn't true
Interviewer: We went to see his last show,
"Le Mur"(The Wall)
It is mentioned more than other racisms
Soral: Well, first of all you’ll have to explain to me in what way anti-zionism is racism?
I’d rather think that it’s anti-racism
And this is where people are not complete idiots
France is the country of Descartes, you have to know
When someone says, "We are the chosen people"
"This is our land, because it has been promised to us"
"In a book that we ourselves wrote 2000 years ago"
"And we chase poor Palestinians,"
We start  "Operation: Cast Lead”
Excuse me, "Operation: Cast Lead” is killing women and children with white phosphorus
In an enormous ghetto, which is the largest ghetto in the world, named the Gaza strip
At the time of Coluche
And at the time of Desproges
We hadn't arrived yet at this extremist right radicality
Of the Zionist state
There was still an Israeli left wing
There was stil ambiguity on the agreements
What was his name again, Rabin? Had not been assassinated yet
You see?
The evolution of Dieudonné is exactly parallel to the evolution of the state of Israel
Which has become the state of the absolute extreme right
Interviewer: Does that mean that it’s the principal preoccupation of today?
For a politician or a humorist?
Soral: Well, there are two things
The problem with Zionism is,
The manner in which the French Zionist lobby,
Has the upper hand in French politics and in the French media
And gives orders, sanctions and punishments,
According to the alignment with the politics of Israel or not
We just had a left-wing socialist president of the republic
Who went to prostrate himself before Netanyahu
This is not prostrating before the Israeli left, before Shlomo Sand
Netanyahu is the most extreme-right of the extreme-right
So we have a real problem
And a comedian deals with problems
Today, the problem in France is not anti-semitism
It’s the omnipotence of the Zionist lobby in France
In the French politics and media
Today,
Interviewer: It’s the number one problem today?
It’s one of the problems!
Or else there is the economical crisis
Which is quite hard to deal with from an comical point of view
There are all the other problems that Dieudonné mentions
Like communitarianism,
Gay marriage,
In his new show Dieudo speaks a lot about gay marriage
Rather mostly about the gay lobby
In fact, all this points to a question that I had already dealt with 10 years ago
That is that victimized communitarianism,
Turns into active minorities
That put pressure on the republic
To obtain community privileges, facing a passive mass,
Which is the silent majority
So in reality, we are made to believe that there are minorities that are in danger in France,
Threatened by the majority
Who have the tendency to vote more and more for “Le Front National”(National Front)
So in fact there is a silent majority that suffers an enormous pressure,
Through unemployment,
Through taxation,
Through the system
And who suffer on top of that,
A permanent symbolic aggression from active minorities
Who in the name of gay rights, Jewish rights or Muslim rights
Don’t stop to make the republic malfunction
Which normally is an indivisible unity
And invalidates republican universalism
So today, the people who should hold this speech, have stopped doing so
Because they have been chased of the media
Often because they had dared to speak about the Palestinian cause
We see clearly that the people who speak seriously about the Palestinian cause
Which is at the heart of the French debate,
Because the Palestinian issue is also the French issue
It’s an European settlement state that we have imposed on the Palestinians
We the Europeans and we the French
We can see clearly that all the French politicians
We see misses Hidalgo, who presents herself at the elections of Paris
Said that she loves Israel, that it’s a country she adores and that it’s a democracy
The question is, why does a politician or a French media person
The moment his career gets a National dimension
Is obliged to show his support and submission to Netanyahu’s Israel?
That’s how the question should be put
So it’s Zionism that’s has settled itself at the heart of the republic
At a certain moment,
Not seeing this issue, is not seeing the elephant in the living room
You see?
Dieudonné has the courage to not look away from this subject
And that’s why he is the most respected comedian of France
The others dream of speaking about this
But know that speaking about this means marginalizing themselves and getting into trouble
And all those that have tried
As with Bigard on 9/11
Which is a connected subject
Because every time that we question 9/11
It gets connected to anti-semitism
And it's the Zionists that step-up
You have to ask yourself why,
All of a sudden the Zionists get upset
That we think there might be a hidden truth behind the 9/11 attacks?
It’s weird, there is some mediation to be established here
Does it mean they think the Zionists are involved?
That's the way to ask questions
Interviewer: To return to Dieudonné
And maybe also your relationship
We talk a lot about La Quenelle at the moment
Where does it come from?
You have...
You both “claim” the birth of this gesture
Soral: No not both
It is Dieudonné, who is a comedian
My job is mostly to analyze
Political analysis
The concept
He at a certain moment, did THIS gesture
Which is quite a vulgar gesture
It’s the equivalent of THIS gesture
In fact it’s an arm of honor with a twist of Dieudonné
It’s a gesture of insubmission
Towards the system
And the people understood it perfectly well this way
And because people are getting tired of the violence coming from the system
Because there is an economic crisis,
Which creates suffering and a certain sensibility
and at the same time a leaden weight of the politically correct
Made up from the defense of minorities
With it’s institutionalized anti-racism
And institutionalized anti-fascism
Which are completely dysfunctional
We see that very clearly today
For people that claim to be of Netanyahu
Meaning, an authentic acknowledged fascist
Treats a Franco-Cameroonian mixed-race comedian as being a fascist
That is what we call the total inversion of values
But I tell you, France is the country of Descartes
It’s a country with a high level of cultural development
And logic
So we cannot anymore..
So they cannot make believe, anymore, that the left is Netanyahu and the extreme right is Dieudonné
All of a sudden there is a guy, who claims to be for Jobotinsky
Meaning, a Jewish Nazi!
Who kills women and children in ghetto’s that they have organized
With white phosphorus
And here, we all bow down before him
And I mean all, Hollande last week etc. etc.
What the heck is his business there?
We have to ask ourselves this question
On the other side we have an anti-racist leftist comedian
Who does the job of anti-racism all the way
Which is today the racism that has to be fought
It’s not that of South-Africa, because it has already fallen,
It’s not that of France,
Because seriously the amount of anti-racist measures that have been taken is unheard-of
Pleven law(law forbidding incitement to racial hatred) etc
It's really
This racism of this, let’s say, french pro-Zionist community
Who dares at a certain point to display a racial supremacy openly
But the Quenelle gesture, to get back to it, means
We are fed up with your crap
Voilà!
We have no other means to express ourselves,
But we live in France
Which is a country of free and open discussion,
A country of humor!
Interviewer:
It's said to be a fascist gesture
Interviewer: well, you have heard it
Interviewer: I have to ask
Soral: 
I remember that Clemenceau
This was the gesture of Clemenceau, during the first world war
Facing the German aggression
So you can try whatever you like to try to convince the French,
That THIS is a Nazi gesture
You will not succeed
Interviewer: I’m not trying to convince anyone
Soral: No, those who are trying to convince
Because they are trying
And again it’s the same
it is the extreme rightist Zionists who are trying to pass this message
JSS News etc
They ridicule themselves a bit more in the eyes of the French
And they are shown a bit more for what they truly are
namely, professional liars
They are the fascists
Everybody has understood
And the more it goes, the better the people will understand
Interviewer: On the internet,
There are blogs and pictures
With Quenelles that have been done,
A bit everywhere
There are also blogs with posted on them
Quenelles being done in front of...
Synagogues
Soral: Ok, so what is the problem?
Interviewer: Well I don’t know,
But why do a Quenelle particularly in front of a synagogue?
Soral: 
Because the people have understood that the Jewish organized community
Is all powerful in France
Is trying to become, I would say, almost dictatorial
And that the citizens equality
The defense of the oppressed
And the compassion for the suffering of the Jews between 1933 and 1945
Has nothing to do, with hiding behind this
To render a community untouchable and uncriticizable in France
That already has full power
Do you want us to discuss the sociological statistics of France?
Interviewer:
No, no I just want to know,
What is the message you want to declare by doing
Soral: well the message is...
Interviewer: You are pictured doing a Quenelle
In front of the holocaust memorial
Soral: In Berlin
Interviewer: in Berlin exactly
So what is the message?
Soral: The message is:
You are starting to piss us off, you the all mighty organized Jewish community or Zionist community
To be hiding behind the dead of the Holocaust
When in fact the majority had nothing to do with it
You often originate from North-Africa
You have never sufferd by the Nazis, compared to us
The French people, who suffered five years of occupation
Compared to me, my family that were part of the Savoyardian resistance
You are hiding behind this,
By abusing the sense of morality and compassion
To justify the politics of Israel
Which you unconditionally support,
This is a citation from the “CRIF”(Jewish lobby)
And also a domination of the French by an organized community
That is seen more and more in French politics and media
Which are the most visible area’s
Where finally we have an overrepresentation of a community
Which is getting more and more difficult to justify
And when we ask this question to Elisabeth Levy
Who responds, “if there are not enough of …
Than there are too many ...?
Well effectively, many people understood that there weren’t enough of … in the media
Maybe not enough blacks or people originating from different diversity’s etc.
But we have also noticed that there are much too many of
We have the right to ask this question, today
And if we don't have the right, we take this right ourselves
And I have a problem with the “list of Cohen”
When at a certain moment,
There is a community that represents one percent of the population,
Is found to be 40, 50, 60, 70 percent in certain determinant sectors
Not among the voluntary firemen, or the soldiers of the army
Who dictates it's laws to France,
In the name of human rights and equality among citizens
When they are referring to texts that are completely racially unequal
In the country of Descartes this cannot go anymore and it will not go for long
So the question I'm asking is:
Where does Bernard-Henri Levy’s almighty power come from?
Of whom everybody has said, for twenty-five years, that he is a fake philosopher and a moron
Who has the power to start wars, notably in Libya
The war in Libya meant,
The chaos in Central-Africa
The problems of Lampedusa
I haven’t got any blood on my hands
Bernard-Henri Levy has an enormous amount of blood on his hands
He is a permanent warmonger
Thus when we take Bernard-henri Levy and Jacques Attali today
A self-proclaimed crook
Who enjoys himself speaking about selling one legged pants
To Christian the stupid Christian in his sketch
I upload this on the internet
If you don’t, then I'll do the job
He does this with the Kippah on the head
When people incarnate the anti-Semitic stereotypes
Meaning, the warmongering Jew
And the crooked Jew usurer
You shouldn’t be astonished by the comeback of anti-semitism
And of course, we should be worried about it
But being worried about it, doesn’t mean calling Soral and Dieudonné Nazis
It is starting to tell a certain Zionist community
That it is putting the common Jew in danger in France
Because they are overplaying
As “General De Gaulle” had put it once
On being self-confident and domineering
That's all!
Interviewer: Again we talked about the economic crisis for example
But there are very few Quenneles
In front of a welfare institution
Or in front of the ministries
Soral: Well ok! Let's ask the people
People should do more Quenelles,
In front of welfare institutions, and in front of ministries
Interviewer: But you told me it’s an anti-system gesture, but eh..
Soral: Ok listen, if somebody does a Quenelle in front of a welfare institution,
Do you believe the media would take any interest?
No! the media takes interest when an asshole who…
Interviewer: I have been searching on the internet and I couldn't...
Soral: Quenelles have been done everywhere
In hospitals etc.
But the moment a Quenelle has been done,
For example in front of a synagogue
All of a sudden there is a general outcry
I point out that
For example Taubira(minister of justice) was called a monkey
By a young girl in a manifestation
And by a National Front hod-carrier
It's turned into a national cause
When “le canard enchainé” puts Dieudonné with the head of a gorilla,
And a teeny weenie brain
When a Swiss Jew calls him a negro,
You don’t hear the media talk about it
So in reality
It's the media that chooses to overexpose
The moment something talks about Jews or Zionism
This creates a harmful climate
I have written about all the subjects in my life
You just have to check my books
I have often criticized feminist and gay communitarianism
The logic of the capital, etc.
But I have also written about the subject of Zionism and the organized Jewish community
From this came all my troubles
I simply didn’t accept to shut up
Interviewer: You are only talking about this
Soral: Well, you came here to talk about it
You want us to talk about contemporary art?
I’m specialized in contemporary art
Interviewer: If you want, have there been many Quenelles done in museums and expositions?
Soral: No, because it’s not a passionating subject
But it’s a subject that I treated, about the scam of contemporary art
But you, have been sent by BFM, to talk to me about Dieudonné and la Quenelle
In anyway that is the question
Instead of avoiding the question, like Naulleau,
Saying,
“I don’t know what you’re talking about”
Or “there is no problem”
Or effectively “the problem is the comeback of anti-semitism”
Or “it’s the resurrection of Nazism in France"
"He will soon try to reinvade Poland”
I cannot say this kind of nonsense
So evidently, I go there where the problem is
I undo a knot
Evidently, I talk about this
Because this is what causes a problem
We have the right to criticize capitalism in France
You are not accused of “incitement to social hatred”,
When you say that there is a problem with the dominating bourgeoisie
That doesn't exist
We have the right to say that we don’t like Islam
That it’s maybe a totalitarian religion
That is not what I say, but we have the right to be Islamophobic
people have announced that openly, without having any trouble
Zemmour has made it his main business
Finkelkraut the same
But when you say that there is a problem with an all powerfull organized Jewish community
That places the interests of Israel before the interests of France
And Israel is still the last apartheid country in the world
And it’s the oldest conflict in the world
Because it's dating back to 67 years ago
And it’s a imminently European conflict
Because we imposed this colonial presence,
In the heart of the Arabic land and the Palestinian land
And it’s one of the causes for the destabilization of the world
Because it has consequences that go well beyond the Israeli cause
As we talked about
When I start speaking about this,
First of all I talk about a subject no-one dares to talk about
And directly afterwards I receive the wrath of the whole organized community
The media etc.
Cohen condemns Taddei (French TV host) for inviting me
Although he hassn't invited me for two years
Askolovitch(French journalist) steps up
JSS news who started to make lists,
For public denunciation
So that the people, who had done a Quenelle, lose their job
Including when the Quenelles have been done by firemen or in a hospital
So these are people from Israel writing to the police,
So that common French people lose their jobs
When they show their insubmission
Can you imagine the dangerous effect that this can have?
On the Jewish dentist from Bondy from 93 (department)
This strategy is catastrophic
But you shouldn’t blame me for this
No no, The chain of responsibility has to be rightly shown
The real problem in France is not Alain Soral or Dieudonné
It’s the unexplainable and  unexplained omnipotence of Bernard-Henri Levy
This matter will have to be discussed at a certain moment
And I hope that the intelligent Jews will end up doing this
It’s what they should have been doing
Instead of trying to convince that THIS is a Nazi salute
In this they are very badly positioned, they will not win that battle
It has been for ten years that they have been losing this battle.
Since they have declared a war against Dieudonné, they have only been losing
Dieudonné fills the largest Theaters
So at a certain moment,
Let them show the reality of who they are,
A less intelligent superior race
With this I mean their elites, their elites!
I'm not talking about the common Jew
Just as when I talk about the American strategy, I don’t mean the American people
And even when I speak of the Israeli strategy, I’m not speaking of the Israeli people
Who, without a doubt, incarnates all the different diversities
I’m the editor of Gilad Atzmon, without a problem
When we speak of the problem of radical Islam and Al-Qaeda
I won’t point my finger to the Muslim who has worked his whole life at Bouygues
It's the same
Don't force me to admit that I point fingers at the Jews
When I say the Americans, I mean the American government
Which has nothing to do with the american people
And when I speak about the organized Jewish community,
I mean the “CRIF” and it’s armed branches
One of which is the ”Licra”
But never ever do I confuse this with the common Jew
I have many people,
Joining me on the criticism of the the communitarian lobby
Who are part of the, so-to-say, Jewish diversity
This misrepresentation and violence worries them
Remember the phrase by De Gaulle(Former president of France)
Self-confident and domineering people
Today the “Licra” would have send him to court
And would try to have him condemned
When we try to condemn De Gaulle,
In the name of Netanyahu,
We are very poorly positioned to be lecturing people on French public-spiritedness and responsible citizenship
It’s a message that I send here,
I hope it will be heard
The solution is not to demonize Soral a little more
I’m a star in France and you know it
If you want we’re going to walk about in the street a bit
Every five minutes someone will come to shake hands
That's why you are here
Interviewer: last question
To come back at Dieudonné
Last
Is there a real political consciousness?
Or is it only shocking because it makes people laugh
And we can laugh about anything we want?
Soral: it’s a good question and I will respond to it
Dieudonné reaches millions of people
When I only reach a few hundred thousand
Among Dieudonné's fan-base there is,
the fan-base of Soral
Who understand the political message of Dieudonné
Which is the one I just explained to you in all it’s complexity and globality
I hope you’ll have the decency to keep it
That is also the reason why we counter film this interview
So that we will upload the complete interview
So that the people can see what is the difference between the mainstream media and the way they manipulate…
Interviewer:
Ok, but to get back to my question
Soral: So there are the people who understand everything that Dieudonné talks about
That is without a doubt the same clientele as I have
It's 300 000 people, we'll say
And also the people who simply find it funny
And people who subconsciously understand that Dieudonné is a truth speaker
And that he is a good person
A kind and sympathetic guy
I'ts true, his whole personality breathes this
So there is a bit of everything
You have the “Farcing” Quenelle
The "wedding and feasts" Quenelle
And there is the "ultra-political" Quenelle
Which is mine
But I have just launched a new label
Which is "The arm of honor"
Because I’m getting tired of people saying that it is an inversed nazi salute
And I wouldn't want to scare,
Decent Jews into thinking that I do this out of true desire of a comeback of Nazism
I’m French not German
They have to understand
I have been victim of Nazism
And when you read “Mein Kampf”
The project was hostile for the French
Hitler saw us as degenerates
We were not part of the chosen people
I mean the master race
We are neither part of the chosen people nor the master race
So we have interest in neither sides
So now I’m re-launching this gesture
And this gesture means,
We are getting fed up with your bullshit
Screw you
But it’s not
“No Pasaran”(Antifa)
The radical anti-fascist institutionalized violence
Of those right extremist guys who in fact are volatile fighter groups
We don’t have these volatile fighter groups!
We simply mock you
See, It's..
Screw you, we ridicule you
And we’ll never do more
Interviewer: 
So the “Quenelle” is finished, now it’s the “Arm of Honor”?
Soral:
No! the “Quenelle” is Dieudonné’s because he has just registered the trademark
It's his business, we could say too
And Soral, evidently
He does this because
It’s to remove the ambiguity, in fact it answers your question
If with this gesture, there can be any Nazi connotation,
Because the arm is outstretched, even though it’s outstretched towards the low
As I certainly don’t want people to possibly think this
And I certainly don’t want people, who believe this, to do this gesture claiming to be on my side
I do this!
This is the gesture of Clemenceau in the trenches
And this is very French, everybody understands what it means
Voilà!
It’s the equivalent
Without ambiguity
Interviewer: Very good
Soral: We can finish with that. Thank you
Interviewer: Thank you
A journalist today, is a whore or unemployed. Alain Soral
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