three two one hey it's wild josh from
geek cetera and i'm joined today by
ezra chase and newcomer tommy
and today we're going to talk about the
batman
um not the character the batman but the
trailer the batman
now let's get geeky
so dc fandom was just a couple days ago
and
we got trailers for the batman we got
trailer for justice league snyder cut
we got a trailer for wonder woman um
1984.
but we're going to talk specifically
about the batman
so to get right into it tommy is our
resident
batman guru so let's go right over to
you tommy what did you think of this
trailer
um i gotta say it definitely got me very
excited
uh for this film even though it's
not gonna be released for another year
um
i've i've been very excited for this
movie since i heard
that matt reeves is going to be
directing it he did uh
he did um dawn and
war of the planet of the apes movies and
uh cloverfield
uh that one
i see i always think of cloverfield as
jj abrams
yeah i think jj
wrote it and then matt reeves directed
it okay
i don't i'm not sure or it produced
but yeah um
yeah okay some of my thoughts so i went
into this trailer not really knowing
anything
about what was like coming so i watched
it and i like
this trailer not knowing anything
well i mean i know like the batman
character and like the villains but i
went in going
i don't know who the villains are in
this i don't know i know patton
i know what's his name robert pattinson
is playing
batman that's all i knew so
i was confused at the end as to who even
the villain was i was like
i kind of feel like it might be the
riddler but i'm not sure
that it was i didn't see a guy that i
was like oh yeah that's the riddler
so because like justin kerry wasn't
there was like
rhyming within the first 30 seconds of
yeah
i don't know that seems like it's pretty
clear-cut
yeah well i don't know enough about like
dc
like isn't there like another right like
task no not taskmaster who who did um
in the flash mark hamill play
what was there trickster so i'm like
yeah maybe it's some other
character that i don't know and then it
wasn't until later i was talking to ezra
and he was like oh the penguin was in
there too and i was like i didn't see
the penguin so i had to go back and look
and like do research and when i saw that
that was
um colin farrell as the penguin i was
like
no yeah he was like like something
happened to him like in the last few
years i didn't realize like
did he like get hit by a train or
something i don't know
he did not look like himself
but i guess that's movie magic yeah i
was wondering if it was prosthetic
or if he actually it must have been yeah
yeah so when i was talking to you i
literally just looked it up and there
and like
the first thing that came up was like oh
the penguin i was like oh all right well
maybe
that's penguin then and then i looked i
watched it again i was like okay
that's the penguin um but i was just
thinking so like
as far as batman movies go this
is a reboot question mark
okay what i was wondering too
oh well the other thing is
it's called the batman there's no like
yeah sub title so it's kind of a funny
name for that
batman because there's been so many
batman yeah
who is the batman most than it seems you
see at least
from my very limited point of view what
looks like him kind of building the
batmobile
in a garage rather than already having a
batmobile and it looks
primitive compared to other batmobiles
that we have seen
in batman movies i feel too that there
was a scene
maybe i didn't know it was a flashback
or not where
um robert pattinson's character is
wearing what looked like an early
batman suit was almost like just like a
pulled down cap or something like that
yeah did anyone else notice that i don't
know i mean yeah
i noticed that no when he was on the
motorcycle or something
yeah yeah oh tommy just cut out
uh you were saying that uh he looked
like he was wearing a primitive
uh and uh yeah i don't remember what i
was going to say
said something about him on the
motorcycle oh right
yeah uh he had like a bandana
yeah yeah right so i was thinking
that maybe that would i did not knowing
that it was going to be a reboot
i thought maybe it was like a flashback
but if it's a reboot maybe they're just
going back to the origin story
um well the director said um
it's set to like uh at year two of him
being batman
okay so so they're kind of pulling like
a
like a spider-man homecoming thing where
they're just like there was an origin
and we're not even going to worry about
it because you know what that is
yeah you know it's better because
everyone knows the origin story
and it's why waste you know a whole
bunch of your movie
and your run time on so dude everyone
knows
the dude got bit by a radioactive bat
and his uncle died wait no
but this is just a radioactive bat shot
his parents
not yet but i know that i know that i
tend to be the dc hater
of the group but it just like
they come out with they have this big
event dc fandom right
and you're all excited and then they
roll out this extremely disjointed
uh universe where none of the characters
are connected because now
we have a brand new batman but we're
putting out a justice league again
but we have a brand new batman going
back to the beginning but is not the
same batman and
and this batman's got long dark hair
like
when did batman ever have long dark air
oh well
i don't know it's interesting
it it did make me more interested than i
was before
like initially when i heard robert
pattinson batman i was not interested i
was like sparkly vampire
batman no thank you um but
now it looked pretty good i'm kind of
wondering if dc's finally realized that
they are not marvel and so if they're
gonna try and like
reboot some of their old characters and
keep that story as
not a connected universe type thing so
like if they'll reboot batman
and then not have him fight superman
kind of thing
and leave those two entities separated
on their own
fields knowing this is a good standalone
let's not try and be a giant connected
universe
i worked for marvel though really well i
think they really want that money that
marvel got
but i think they have to realize that if
they do it separately they're
less competing with marvel than if
they're trying to do it together
because if they're doing it together
they have to try and hold up to the
standard that the avengers set
whereas if you do it as one-off films
it's much easier to have your batman
compared to
just your spider-man homecoming than it
is to have
your justice league compared to
the avengers right
i don't know that's just my opinion i
know nothing
that's not true you know something not
about dc
but what else was there in that trail
that we can talk about well
um i didn't read the article but one of
our
listeners colton he sent us an article
about how the bad guys in this movie are
not actually
the main bad guys are not actually
riddler
or penguin they're the cult the the
court of owls is that what it was
i don't know and that tommy explained
i've never heard that phrase court of
owls before in my life so i was like
maybe heard it but i don't know what it
is
so well that's funny because um one of
the new
batman video games uh the court of owls
are the
main villain so i'm wondering if that's
getting confused
oh maybe is that the new
gotham knights or something that's
coming out yeah so what is the chord of
owls
is that a thing from the comics or is
that just something from the video game
yeah it's the um when
dc did the new 52 the first batman story
they
that uh that they they had was um
the court of owls which was like a kind
of a cult
of like the rich um people of gotham
who like controlled crime
like an illuminati type organization
okay they had like um assassins called
talons
that are pretty scary would they
use other villains like a riddler
and a penguin and kind of be like
pulling the strings behind the scene
or where that's kind of separate
um i don't remember i think
i i feel like they were separate but it
could be the direction they're going
though
yeah right i just worry that when you
start introducing too many villains
the story can get like muddled and like
confusing i think of
the second andrew garfield spider-man
where they had like
uh a really lame rhino and they had
um electro and that was just kind of
like
things kind of got muddled they had too
many like villains
i mean i guess that wasn't a really
wasn't there someone else in that one
too
green goblin green goblin that's right
yeah so there's like
how many villains can you have it is
funny how that works
where we can have like 50 superheroes on
screen at a time
yeah but it's like more more than one
villain it's just like this is
convoluted and confusing
you can have one villain and one
henchman yeah
yeah exactly
well i mean it is it is true in a way
because i feel like there's only so much
screen time to develop a villain
whereas like so thanos did have his um
servants right but they weren't really
like explained or
um developed that much they were just
kind of
there and then they got killed see the
thing i liked about
so far anyways with the marvel universe
and what they've done
is that the bad guys have always had a
reason for being bad it wasn't they were
just like
i hate movies that give you a bad guy
and they're just like oh he's bad
because he's bad and they don't really
have a full threat fleshed out story as
to why
they're doing the things to me people
aren't really like that
like they usually have a reason why they
do something so
um that's why i really liked like thanos
like he he had this
whole plan where from a certain from his
point of view he was actually
the good guy yeah but from everyone
else's he was the bad guy
and the hardest choices require the
strongest wills
exactly so i just hope that these bad
guys
in uh this one aren't just being
yeah aren't just being jerks but they're
actually have a reason why they're
while they're doing something um i'm
sure
you get much more into the villain
development in the comics tommy because
i'm not a huge comic person but i know
that you have
a vault
uh what was the question do they
like get way more into the villain
development
in the comics like do you find out why
the riddler
does riddles and why he is bad
yeah and they yeah um
and sometimes they they they do it in
like cartoons and stuff and it gets
um like picked up by the comics
like influenced like the um
mr freeze and his
the way his wife is uh like in a coma
and he's trying to give her a cure yeah
that was i think that was created by the
the 90s batman cartoon
and then um and then they ran into the
comics
yeah interesting well wasn't that the
case with um even the character
harley quinn like she was what for the
cartoon series like
and then yeah they did and then they
like made a comic series around her
yeah because she was so popular yeah
okay anything else i have another
question for i guess this one's for
everybody
but especially i want to get tommy's
opinion on this since he is my dc boy
um are you glad that this is not going
to revolve
around the joker
yeah yeah i feel like it's a
breath of fresh air um
well i mean the joker they just came out
with that joker movie
so you would think that like maybe they
would tie them together and then like
okay the joker is the bad guy in this
one and like tried to do
some kind of shared universe but like
you said
chase it doesn't seem like it seems like
they've come to the realization that
they're just not gonna do that
yeah so um if that's the case instead of
giving us a totally different joker
i'm very happy that they just said let's
go with some other bad guys
yeah from pure standalone film like
viewpoint i think i think it is a good
idea to do a different
villain that we haven't really seen much
screen time from and
i think a lot of people are kind of
psyched about the
batman universe in general just because
of the gotham tv show
i mean it was pretty popular and i think
it really introduced some villains that
um like a lot of people
uh didn't know about or like weren't
very familiar with so i feel like if
they keep going in that direction
i think i think people can be excited
for for other villains that aren't just
the joker and
bane there are other villains
to bat you know to the batman universe
yeah
sorry i was gonna say i was gonna uh
pivot and ask what you guys thought of
uh catwoman
in the trailer you just see her so
quickly who's playing
what's the actresses flanger uh zoey
kravitz
oh okay lenny's daughter
lenny kravitz um hmm
i mean i like that character catwoman
but is she another is she considered
another
villain she's kind of in between
yeah she's an anti-hero yeah exactly
like she does bad things but she's not
like fully bad
she's like a villain als and also a love
interest
yeah right i just feel bad for robert
patterson because
he's kind of type cast i think you know
after the twilight movies
i mean he he played a bat man and now
he's
the batman
i don't feel bad for robert pattinson
because he's got way more money than i
do
you think he's going to do everything
good one son that's a really good one i
love
that
that's pretty funny all right i think
that's
is that all we have i don't know what
else there's to talk about in there
i watched the trailer twice and i
definitely got more the second time
through
i think it looks dark yeah oh yeah
i want to say dark and like the fact
that obviously i don't have much
exposure to batman movies i think i've
watched one
and i know that batman is a yeah you
haven't watched the um
i watched christopher nolan once i
watched batman begins question mark
yeah is that the one with me whichever
one is the one with liam neeson
the one that has um raja gould yeah um
yeah so i watched that one i haven't
watched any other ones and that was
dark but just in the trailer i feel like
they showed us a
a much deeper size to
like the i don't know at least how dark
wood batman was just sitting there
punching that one guy like 87 times
like this he molds him yeah that's when
i realized it was going to be a darker
film what is wrong with you
kind of yeah he didn't just knock him
out he like went for the
jugular there yeah and then the
vengeance
line that they dropped i'm just like
okay this is going to be a heavier movie
yeah i really well if it's earlier in
the story then
yeah yeah is that is it still
rp or do we have a rating for it
it's not yeah i don't think until 2021
so i don't think it's not even
it's still in production so oh yeah that
makes sense
but well okay what i more meant was like
do they have a
a eye on a rating that they want or
i haven't heard why do you think they
could they could go for an r rating
i i'm from the trailer alone i think it
is is possible
i saw an interview that said um the
director said that uh
he he's uh like towing the line between
pg and r
for pg-13 and r um
and he's done that in the past with
films uh
making it just just enough so
it's not r-rated you know what i i
always felt like
i don't know why this hasn't cracked did
you have a knife
because i'm the batman no i just got
this
i just got this knife and i really like
it it's fun to play with because you
just go
but anyways and tommy's got a sword on
the wall behind him
so what i've always wondered why why
directors don't go for
making a movie that like the same movie
that's
pg-13 and rated r like and you can put
it in the theater and run them the same
time and you can go and pick and
see which one you want to see it seems
like they would broaden their audience
by doing that especially when like some
of the stuff that makes a movie rated r
is like the stupidest stuff in the world
like oh you take out that
couple those couple f-bombs and it's
pg-13 why wouldn't you just do that
yeah like and broaden your audience you
know
i don't know so
what do you guys think about the batman
are you excited
for it let us know in the comment
section below thanks for watching and
until next time
i don't know i don't know i'm batman
until next time i'm batman candy corn
it's like little tiny traffic cones
i gotta find a knife
do
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