hey guys and gals Joshua here thanks for
checking out this episode here on May
31st
it's about 420 we're downtown Lake
Calhoun here's the signage so ask people
bike by this is a one-way in the bikes
so people have to bike by here and then
boom they run into the sign there's also
people who walk by you know on the other
trail which is closer to the lake you
can walk whichever direction you choose
your own free will of course and you're
walking in a circle around the lake I
already had a good conversation with a
couple who walked up before I kind of
had everything set up Shannon and Ty so
I hope you're doing well hope you're
able to take in that information and go
from there they were kind of you know
bit shocked if you will about the
information I told them about and so
here's the table that we got set up I
got my music a couple of chairs just in
case anybody wants to stop by and sit
down with me otherwise you know most
people probably just will stand up but
we got everything kind of going on right
here how do you know you're on a
spinning spear and what do you think
about Flat Earth as people are kind of
walking by this way and you know the
cars too so
have our illustration red pills hat and
then his dog is dropping the deuce for
everybody so pick it up pick it up
that's how the aliens know that we're
overrun by animals as we pick up their
own crap
so we'll be out here for a while until
the Sun travels further and further away
and I'll see you all momentarily yes
oh I'm fine yeah you stopped
I don't either bunch of your dog's names
sure what is the what what is the
consequence of what what am I saying and
what would that be what kind of struck
you the most well I mean you're you're
kind of jumping to conclusions we just
showed up at the crime scene and you're
already looking for a motive without
gathering evidence and looking into the
evidence so you're assuming that there's
a motive right but you haven't looked at
the evidence to find where the motive
could lead you so you're kind of looking
for me to give you all the answers so
you can walk away vilified in regards to
what I'm not making any assumptions in
the I am yeah we're uh this is I got a
YouTube channel right here you want to
take it and then you can see for
yourself what I do I have over 600 hours
of me talking to the public about the
earth being a level immovable plane and
not a sphere in outer space what what
would lead you to the conclusion that
you live here what would lead you to the
conclusion that you live here on a ball
well it does matter fire doesn't matter
because you would know who you are where
you come from and why you're here
what you don't live it elope it does
matter because I'm telling you that you
would like to as a child growing up
about you living on a ball in outer
space spinning a thousand miles an hour
traveling around the solar system at
over almost seventy thousand miles an
hour and then the solar system in itself
is moving almost a half a million
million miles well I could give you that
okay since you asked and I don't have
anything better to do let's call this a
prison planet okay do you know the
circumference of your globe that you
live on you have no idea so if you dated
a girl for a year and you didn't know
her birthday do you think that would be
a problem probably right so you believe
you live in a ball in outer space but
you don't know anything about this
dimensions of it or anything right so
let's just conclude with that this is
twenty four thousand nine hundred one
mile in circumference okay and here is
your math to prove to you that you don't
live on a sphere because water always
finds its level when in that container
okay and so over a 50 mile stretch from
one shore to the next shore you can see
the Chicago skyline still and you
shouldn't be able to at all there should
be almost 1700 feet of curvature and so
with that being said instead of living
on a prison planet where your limited
resources land and water what if it's a
giant tabletop that goes on for hundreds
of thousands of miles and there's more
water resources and land for you and I
to have our own continent but they're
keeping us here in this location
everybody who's in charge man who kind
of took ownership of the earth years and
decades hundreds and thousands of years
ago
I got a I got a defer to you
investigating on that your own time
because we may or may not yeah actually
may or may not yeah I don't know I've
never been outside of you know the earth
where I'm limited to going I've been to
Thailand South East Asia and stuff so
but I haven't been to you know fifty
thousand miles south this is the
ultimate deception man we've been lied
to do you believe in aliens in outer
space do you believe in aliens from
outer space probably I don't at all
because outer space doesn't exist it's
not a real place to go to what we do
because NASA admits that they've never
been outside of the Van Allen belt do
you know what the Van Allen belt is it's
a stretch of radiation that it goes
thousands and thousands of miles above
us it starts at about 1,200 feet 1,200
miles and they've never been through
that so how did they go to the moon
which is two hundred and thirty-eight
thousand miles from here
why would commentary huh screaming at
old true yeah
and publicly it why would someone karna
why would someone care enough to deceive
have you ever seen anybody steal for
money or food I am asking a question
with a question because you seem like a
mature old enough adult to know that
people would lie to get what they want
they clearly are controlling your mind
right now sir you are under mind control
you're under hypnosis right now sir and
I can't explain this to you until you
deep deeply meditate on why anybody
would lie to you you were your whole
family conspired against you when you
were younger about Santa Claus I don't
think you'll understand right now sir
there are plenty of people out here who
know that the earth is flat and do you
know what agent oranges okay so there
you go man I mean they they purposefully
made a weed killer to destroy the Viet
Vietnamese forests which also polluted
the water and everything and our own
troops and in Vietnam I'm Sol and we're
not getting on topic man this is how
evil your reality is man and I'm here to
just kind of provoke thought and
hopefully you'll go on your merry way
and you'll investigate my claims and if
you don't you will be held responsible
for the information given so no no no
I'm just very advocate I'm just very
passionate about this idea
Oh God God created the earth recently in
the last three or four years a couple of
people that I actually have on my card
there have provided some interesting
circumstantial evidence if you will
regarding the Flat Earth / spheres okay
once you beat down the ball you're
looking at it man it's a kind of a
grassroots movement you know so if we
can continually bring awareness of where
we're at we'll just kind of cross that
bridge as we come to it but not enough
people either a even know that this is a
topic that's talked about be I get
ridiculed left and called names for even
bringing it up in conversation and three
we're against a lot of powerful people
who would probably want this to be
suppressed as long as possible because
they have their own agenda in the long
run and so I do think that this was a
controlled release I do think that they
want people to be aware of it in a sense
that they're not held accountable for
you anymore because I mean most people
that you see on TV know that the earth
is flat they're in a particular position
of power to know that because of the
secret society is they're part of that's
crystal balls talk man I mean if you
want to sit down to have another chair
we've been going for hours about that
but
rooming everyone we need to change the
education system sir okay it's very
dogmatic in the education system right
now whether you believe in creationism
or evolution you don't get both sides of
the story whether you believe in
democrat or republican you don't get
both sides of the story the history
books are written by the winners and we
don't get both sides of the story in
regards to a lot of topics that we talk
about in our educational system I would
love to have you come to another Flat
Earth meetup which we'll be doing in a
couple of weeks at the Flat Earth
brewery in st. Paul there is flatter'd
brewery in Saint Paul yeah it's been
there for a number of years the owner is
a flat earther but I don't think the
employees are no but we were there on
March 31st to kind of kick off the
official and we had about 18 people show
up the first time so I mean you're cut
your your your points are valid I
understand where you're coming from but
it's gonna take more than us five or six
people here to do something about it we
have to gather our thoughts and
everything together so that then we can
have a proper you know understanding of
how to go about changing the educational
system
I think as human beings we'll just kind
of go from there
most people are compassionate human
beings and want better for other people
and to spend 52 million dollars a day on
fake outer space with NASA and CGI
images that's 52 million dollars a day
that could go to people who are
struggling a lot in other countries with
you know food and water and so you might
not think that that's a big deal but I
mean they're getting a lot of money and
the only reason why there are poor
people is to have a class of people you
know and if we wouldn't didn't have
classes and everybody had all the money
and food and water that they needed I
mean it is I mean to an extent but you
asked me what do I expect in the future
and that does sound like a utopia and
fancy but it's just bringing awareness
to people right now so I appreciate a
man have a good afternoon my dogs one of
the statistics while water is always
level and flat in a container correct
okay so at what point do you have to be
to see water conforming to the exterior
of a ball right do you do you guys
happen to know the circumference of
where they told us we live on a globe so
you have no idea the diameter of this
what you believe it right just like you
know like come on guys it isn't a little
bit do you know her birth date you know
I don't know I don't want to assume that
you're dating but you yeah but if you
knew if you were dating a girl after a
year or two and you didn't know her
birthday it do you think that would be a
problem yeah probably
so the circumference of the earth is
twenty four thousand nine hundred one
mile okay and there is a math equation
which breaks that down right here and so
over a stretch of fifty to a hundred
miles you should see curvature clearly
over a stretch of water which is level
when not moving
yeah it's got waves you can't bring to
me water curves and then show me
somebody dumping water out of a bottle
that's ridiculous argument water doesn't
curve on a massive scale like the oceans
and I have proof right here with your
math that breaks the curvature
calculation down you want to check it
out I mean take a picture of it this is
this is your proof to show you that you
live on a sphere or a flat level
motionless plane and that you don't live
on a sphere and you just type in earth
curvature calculation type in your
observer hi you look about 62 or so you
know and you're holding an icon p900
camera with 80 times zoom from one
shoreline to the next from 50 miles away
you should see almost 1700 feet of
curvature and not at all be able to see
the Chicago skyline jorge's p900 debunks
globe earth-like bar none I mean it's
unbelievable because you can zoom those
objects back into focus when you claim
an object is going over the curve of the
earth but it's just basic refraction
that you're gonna get just like if you
were looking on a sidewalk from you know
six seven hundred feet away it's gonna
develop water on it right but then you
keep walking well where's the water
right I get that all the time and we
just showed up on the crime scene we're
just kind of looking over the evidence
right now and you're already looking for
a motive you know so what-what at what
point do you develop a motive while
looking at evidence you know you have to
start first and looking at the evidence
with a critical mind because 20 you know
for me almost 30 years ago I was taught
this and I never looked back into it you
know and if you don't challenge the
narrative now as a critical thinker as
an adult living in this high-tech
society that we have you have all the
awkward
to know where you live and who you are
but I'll give you one and that's this is
a prison planet this you can only
there's only twenty four thousand nine
hundred one miles to this we can't go
anywhere else right that's why they
quote explore space okay so we're not
even we're not we're not even deal we're
done with this right we're trying to go
off on to outer space but what if
there's more land water and resources
than just here what if this table
represents an infinite plane of water or
land and resources that I could have my
own continent she could have her own
continent I mean literally I mean if
what if it just expands forever
come together to keep us all familiar
what's real
yeah it's called the Antarctic Treaty it
was formed in the late 40s and there's
almost 60 countries involved you know
powerful nations you know not you're not
gonna you know have some of your tinier
nations go there but you know and they
have explored you know our plane and
they've also explored the heavens and to
my knowledge from my opinion on what
they what I feel they found is that we
live under a dome and that we can't get
out we're in an enclosed system so I
hear a lot of people say well when I
Drive in the car you don't feel your
motion until you roll down your window
right well that's the same that we're
have here we have an enclosed system and
so you can't it's hard to go to the
gravity thing now you're taking a red
pill all right you're waking up man and
so that's just part of our enclosed
system and and water just finds its
level man you know and gravity is just a
nomenclature for the phenomenon of why
things fall to the ground buoyancy and
density is really it's just really that
simple I mean and they use education as
a means to prop up the intelligence of
knowing where we live and keeping us
here you know at a lesser kind of
vibration and just in kind of dumb ode
right
yeah yeah from now on count how many
times you just see a globe in the
background and it has nothing to do with
the storyline I just watched the movie
the other day had nothing to do with the
storyline but there was a globe there
they moot you got to understand a movie
is it like this what I can't choose what
my scenery is in a movie they 100%
control everything that is going on and
they they show you what they want you to
see and Universal Studio is just like he
brought up every time the movie starts
dun duh dicta to done then they back up
and there's the globe
I mean I got I got I don't leave people
with nothing - wait wait I got did you
grab a card yeah I mean I got a youtube
channel I do this often I have over 600
hours and me doing this X wins games
the you timberwolves games so yeah yeah
you to enjoy your bike ride out there
yeah man hey what's up man so I assume
your flat earther huh yeah okay
appreciate it man what's your name right
right okay yeah unlike uh let me just
see I'll post the video of this I mean
this obviously but in regards to whoops
did you have I just wanted to talk to ya
yeah energy is in yeah anything create
or destroy energy okay yeah nothing yeah
it's in there and everything that we
require for a survival is anything okay
okay and it's quite to control infinity
to pray yeah I see that by if you want
me the legal system you know that
maintains at all
yeah a prophet
from conflict yeah I know yeah they get
rowdy yeah this is their Idol this is
this is a graven image I don't know ya
know either way yeah okay but I get your
point
it's valid as far as I'm sure but yeah
the information we receive is
necessarily factual people don't know
what a fact it's real dick you know what
a fact is they would wake up who you
know fact is simply an indisputable
series of observations of the same
phenomena that we can see yeah good good
stuff everything else is just opinion
yeah price system you know people are
trying to make a box Aliso fairy tale
right yeah you know and it's the power
of myth yeah we're all under right
hypnosis really I mean it's really I
think that there's a lot of hypnosis and
mind control that goes along with for us
yeah right yep you know but but again
the power is recognizing that our
solutions to our problems that we're all
trying to
you know wise reply hmm right here yeah
exactly
they're here on earth yeah they're not
out there we have enough to sustain
right buddy yeah you know but again it's
a fight for control over infinity
because we've agreed to accept Installer
yeah as being a determining factor in
power maybe perceive our values right we
determine our net worth is people by the
amount of funny money you know I'm so
solutions are all around us good
it's good that you're out here officiate
that modeling pages I hey I get that all
the time
yeah
well look at Galileo or what turned out
to be reality ooh
well I idle about Galileo yeah I mean
the geocentric I would fall more in line
with that of you know what you brought
up with facts of just the continual
circumstantial evidence that I've seen
of the earth being a moveable and the
Sun and the moon and the stars moving
around us and so I I think that there at
that time with Galileo and and
Aristophanes and all those other people
I think that they were part of a group
of people that knew hundreds of years in
the future they were being they were
they were the foundation of what would
change the minds of people in the future
because of what I really think what they
were under status yeah I think and I
think I would they were really taught
that and that's what the heliocentric
model isn't it itself is is a religion
it's it's a you know the heliocentric
model is the god Helios in a chariot
going across the sky I mean that's
really what it would bear down to a
religion it's politics yeah yeah right
yep you know I'll try to control
everybody but anyway I like what you're
doing I appreciate it engines
what's your name Rob Joshua Phoenix
pleasure ratio government of skill
that's the alternative and function who
free energy experts yes
working together to solve our most
conflicts
yes look prime example somebody who was
put out of business essentially by JP
Morgan and company right because he was
freeing up energy hate for the
everyone's benefit and JP Morgan oh hey
you can't put a meter on this yeah well
another thing too is is with the whole
grab and gravity terminology with the
character whether you know I I agree
with know if Tesla rather really exists
the character Tesla let's say um that
this person did have this information
and he was to manipulate if you will the
environment but they're coming up with
an idea called gravity well you can't
have an antigravity device if the entire
plane that we live here in this reality
is electromagnetic energy and if if
you're able to just say it plainly like
that we live in an electromagnetic type
environment and we can make things hover
by electromagnetism and so on and so on
that would be that would be an honest
venture but then to call it something
magical like gravity and then say how
difficult it is to do certain things in
this environment until we get above I
think that is where Tesla why his
information is being suppressed so much
because Energy's easy electricity is
easy
you can actually insert that process of
birth regeneration yeah harvest and then
rebirth again and it's right rung up and
it's infinite there's more than enough
for everybody we could actually
acknowledge that fact okay I mean I know
numbers that's one thing I do work out
yeah one calendar year I'll just use
this throw this out as an example one
calendar year we produced 1.85 billion
metric tons of wheat now think about
that that's a lot of yeah that's a lot
of glue now why is there roughly $12,000
a year 12,000 children a year in this
country because we equated our work with
the scarcity based come out of the
evaluations yeah and it's just a method
of like I said a method of control well
which is why every American is on the
New York Stock Exchange that's why your
name is in capital letters you know
right the united states of corporate
america we're incorporated as debtors to
the creditors we borrow who we bought
money from a civil war great before you
were even born and probably have a
choice in the matter because we're
signed over by our parents great yeah
so that's all they incorporated us as
debtors to their creditors it's like a
master slave right prison planet like
you described yeah yeah but but the
solution is some type of a viable free
energy technology knock receive
government of skill and function by
engineers and technical experts who
simply utilize what they know about free
energy for the bet everyone's benefit
right and think about it if we were all
assured and understood the psychology
behind knowing that you were guaranteed
everything you needed for the time from
the cradle to the grave
it would be no need afford
Creedy right right they are to commit
crimes against man in nature
yep I mean we would go back into
harmonious Accord qaddafi yes what the
powers would be that control appreciate
it Rob yeah don't don't walk away with
blue balls all right man
you can donate yeah yeah otherwise you
can get one for free if you go to the
Meetup okay right on
yeah sure man
yeah we had some good that was really
good conversations hope you guys enjoyed
that hope you know I mean what do you
want from me there's the cars you know
hope it's not too loud hope y'all can
hear what's going on it's not windy you
know I mean it's not too windy and we're
just hanging out so having some people
stop so it's about 4:45 so right now man
appreciate it
walk around with this guy
I'm going with the teacher right yeah
his brother
oh really did you know Mark Sargent had
a land surveyor on just like last week
yeah yeah yeah check it out you know and
then send it to him in an email or
something like that yeah they just had
just kind of started
like that yeah
spinning go that deep into space right
at least I can admit I don't know yeah
yeah I just uploaded two videos and I
put them into one and it literally it
talks about one of the guys that creates
the artwork that you see that's called
outer space and how they get their
information is just dots graphs and
numbers and then they turn that into an
image so they admit it man I mean it's
it's beyond anything I could have ever
thought when I was a child and now as
you get older you're just like wow like
everybody's against us it seems like
right
yep yeah I've been to the the Fed
Reserve twice and just did a live stream
there to let people know you got a card
right so you can contact me if you ever
want to go to channels all you do yeah
right on then check it out yeah see ya
hey done sir okay terrific my brother's
a flat earth ready to get a picture of
that he is alright
Yeah right on you are skeptical still
well I just you know you show me some
videos and stuff like that I just going
sure you know are you numbers guy my
numbers yeah yeah math and stuff okay
you know the circumference of the earth
yeah diameters about 8,000 radius 4,000
circumference is twenty four thousand
nine hundred one miles and then we have
a use trigonometry and the Pythagorean
theorem that breaks that down and so if
you have as you kind of quote get
convinced about water remaining level
inside of a container and let's use that
as a means to say the oceans are an
excitable container at a level
motionless point over 50 miles you
should see sixteen to seventeen hundred
feet of curvature and so the saqqaq
Chicago skyline not at all should be
able to be seen particularly the smaller
buildings and maybe the top couple
hundred feet of the Sears Tower but for
a lot of people who are questioning you
know between the two what you have in
your hand is for most people enough I'm
just more like hey what's
at the edge of it what is it I let's
find out man how far do you have to go
over to get there I don't know
yeah how far do you got to go to get to
the edge of outer space and like okay
what do you think the map of it had been
at that time uh I I don't know I don't
know there's obviously a lot of
conjecture about that and I do present
all the models right there for you I
mean have you seen the video of where
this guy shoots the rock it up and it
supposedly hits the bubble yep yep we've
seen that yeah
but the length personally just from what
I've observed and studied and meditated
on that we do have a dome you know so
there is some kind of an enclosure
that's keeping us what's the Sun than
that I think the the Sun and the moon
are electromagnetic lights in the sky
okay and the moon doesn't reflect the
sun's light and the stars are just
really used for navigational purposes on
earth okay and why does the Sun only
come up at night I mean you only come up
during the day well if you look here in
the AE map I'm sure you're familiar with
that not really
okay so if the Sun were to be over the
United States right here what it's doing
is just making a circular rotation
around the North Pole okay
and so it's closer than what we're
taught so let's even say it's like just
for argument's sake ninety miles away it
works like a spotlight and then it's
just gonna spotlight over that
particular region for 12 to 13 hours and
then just continue to move on its course
what about when it gets higher or lower
in the sky you know like as far as the
seasons yeah and so what it's doing now
is it's a closer circle um
circumnavigation around the North Pole
and as it becomes winter out it gets
further towards the outer ring if you
will yourself or it would it'll be the
outer ring here
and so in regards to this idea here is
called a pacman model this comes from
Ecclesiastes 1:5 where the Sun hurries
over it rises and sets and then hurries
back to where it rose again and so what
is what what this idea is doing is it's
like this and it just reappears and so
as the seasons change the Sun just goes
down further this way and so I just I
like to now present all the models you
know of what a flat earth could
represent understanding that the globe
model is so what do you fantasize out
like okay where we are then what's
what's out there like is there nothing
out there that there was a venture by a
guy named Admiral Byrd and familiar with
who he is yeah yeah a North and South
Pole guy yeah most most notably for the
Antarctic kind of journeys and stuff and
they claim to have found kind of an
opening to where there would be more
land and resources and whatnot I think
Hitler had a lot to do with exploring
the south and just continuing to go
further and further out and I think that
there are you know Amelia Earhart has
been rumored to have found certain
things regarding a dome or an enclosure
of some kind or maybe even a border that
we can't cross your website I know that
those are just hats that we came up with
that's that's my YouTube channel right
there yeah and then I got videos okay
another man yeah I appreciate stopping
have a good afternoon
was good he actually stopped he's behind
me right now to my right and he stopped
so I hope he looks into it still hangin
oh I mean we're just like shooting from
the hip we're having people stop by I'm
just trying to go to different locations
here at the lake so sometimes we're
gonna have cars near us and other times
we won't but today we just so happen to
have you know the cars behind us and
we'll deal with it I think people are
open to having conversations today I
came out here with with that vibe of
just I've been really kind of lethargic
lately I don't know if it's you know my
stepdad passing or just
he's he's totally playing Hotel
Californication from the Red Hot Chili
Peppers space may be the final frontier
but it's made in a Hollywood basement
yeah you know but
and I hope to go to venture out to the
you you're pretty soon also it's all
sorts of things going on this weekend
what's up oh I know it but there's a
there's a difference between knowing and
believing right yeah how do you how do
you know about it um Internet basically
yeah
YouTube mostly pages I thought Instagram
oh like minded like this sure what do
you know about it oh this is the what do
you know the circumference of the earth
no no you don't so but you you you
believe in my poster but you haven't
gone to the extent of knowing the globe
so that you can actually learn that
really like I sound like researchers
looking at pictures of like just the
platter they're like no curve and like
evidence pictures are stuff anymore than
okay it's best to like if you agree with
a certain side it's always best to get
the other side right yeah so the
circumference of the earth is twenty
four thousand nine hundred one mile
right okay and then it's broken down
into this math equation eight inches per
mile squared and so that's how you know
that the earth is not a sphere right cuz
water is level right and over a vast
distance of water you should be able to
you know you shouldn't be able to see
objects from 50 miles away right you
know that are just a couple hundred feet
tall you're not into this are you it
might be man I mean I don't know I've
never been there before you know so
that's all just interesting information
but I know that outer space is not real
and I know that water is level and it
doesn't conform to the exterior of a
ball you know so what it looks like I
got I got plenty of map models you know
for Flat Earth and stuff that I could
explain you know and that but that's
just philosophy I mean that's just talk
you know but to prove anything it's
really with water and with that math
equation so I am yeah
yeah ma'am step for my experiences I
have seen a planet from the sign and it
made a shadow right in front of it did
it really so I'm making a chem trail so
it's just create like I was thinking
about elements in my own life you know
like that there's something else more
than just what the text books are
telling us right you know yeah right on
there
yeah I'm just economy what do you what
do you think about like Flat Earth as a
whole in terms of quote conspiracy or
deception is is there more to it or is
it just not a big deal well if outer
space isn't real
phrase well I think that there's a dome
over us and they've even admitted
themselves that they can't go past the
Van Allen belt you know that's that's up
1200 1200 miles that's a massive a
radiation belt that goes on for
thousands of miles and up too and then
you get out somehow out of the
atmosphere towards the moon but some
astronauts say they went through the Van
Allen belt and others say they didn't
some say that they haven't seen stars
like the first three who went on the
moon when they were interviewed and then
now you have astronaut saying that they
see the stars all the time on the ISS so
they just that's how lies can't be you
know consistent and that's where you
find Liars you know yeah they can't keep
their story straight right when you tell
the truth you never have to remember
what you said
it's like they're just like quiet they
couldn't say anything about their
experience yeah that's even out there to
even like speak about have an opinion
about it if it happened I mean I'm not
trying to say like this is how they
should have acted but if you land on the
moon let's say it's the three of us
right and we're in then sort of real
thing right and we land on the moon
right yeah
and we turn around and we put our
cameras on the earth come on
I mean how many times would you say wow
look at the f and earth dude like look
dude like look at how big it is man yeah
right I mean it's no they didn't see him
yeah they didn't seem like they were
celebrating they said they seemed like
they were kind of maybe getting out of
hypnosis and they realized what just
happened yeah I don't know you know you
know about well this this winter will be
three years yeah and my YouTube was just
on autoplay and Eric Dubay is 200 proofs
came up and then that was pretty much it
from there I mean I was riding my car
and the playlist went to autoplay I
didn't even choose to get into this but
now that I have and I've found
circumstantial evidence you know in the
Minnesota circumstantial evidence can
land you in jail yeah doesn't have to be
true or not it just has to be hey I
don't know with you and about a bing
bada boom you could end up in jail you
know so there's a lot of circumstantial
evidence to show that this doesn't exist
and that we've never seen this from our
perspective you know so well yeah I mean
I've always been into questioning
authority you know and whatnot so yeah
how about yourselves like how long have
you been into okay like a firmly sorry
research yeah okay alright here I've
been kind of ware of it for maybe two or
three years yeah yeah yeah same here
yeah but yeah I mean if you guys are
interested in showing up at we've got a
flat earth meetup no way yeah dude yeah
we were just here at Memorial Day
weekend no way yeah here at Lake Calhoun
by the volleyball courts this this next
one will be at the Flat Earth brewery in
Saint Paul on the 19th at 4:00 p.m.
yeah so and I'll make a kind of a
trailer for it on my youtube channel
just as a reminder but yeah the 19th
that's a Saturday right let's see here
just make sure oh no no the 16th 6:16
yeah I'm just coming up with this now
really like just today like I'm like oh
we got to do another one so we had a
good turnout the first time we had a
flat earth meeting was at the Flat Earth
brewery on the 31st it's called the Flat
Earth brewery yeah in st. Paul well
they're their own brewery you know they
brew their own beer and stuff yeah
and the owners a flat earther but the
you know patrons and the employees
they're not they just you know it's just
a novelty to them you know like I mean
anything and so so yeah the 16th for
p.m. Flat Earth brewery yeah that's it
so yeah think about it so anything else
I mean you guys have any questions or
concerns or
that most people don't know ooh well I
just posted on my channel a 40 minute
video that where the people who come up
with the idea of drawing space yeah what
they do is they get their information
from you know dots numbers and graphs
yeah and then what they do is they
conceptualize what that might look like
in outer space and then they created on
a computer so they're literally telling
you that they create outer space to give
you the imagination of outer space but
it's not real yeah
CGI and Photoshop composites and legally
they have to call you know stuff like
this an image oh yeah yeah that's that's
one thing I tell people have you ever
seen a picture of a real satellite right
and who's taking a picture of the
satellite right right they got another
satellite up they're taking pictures of
and other satellites working from
satellites and like we get no service
isn't like the rear of spots and for my
like knowledge or like my awareness I
feel like everywhere everywhere I have
an article I have an article here it's
from Newsweek 2015 in April talks about
99% of all communication done on earth
is through fiber optics and ground
towers so undersea cables travel from
one continent to another and then they
just post up towers I mean even that man
that you know yeah fiber optics is 8
times faster than satellites so why
would you even
what's the even point of using
satellites all of our communication on
earth is done with high-altitude
balloons drones and ground towers you
can cure it you can triangulate your
position like a triangle with three
positions that's how you get your GPS so
it's all around us it's just a matter of
whether people think it's important
whether people think it's important to
them or not and if they want to trust
their education when they were 10 years
old yeah
you know so what about the snap do you
think that's how they look cycle or do
you think it just keeps expanding I
think there is there is a firmament or a
dome above us that we can't get out and
so I think it's an enclosed system then
we can't get out of know whether that's
like a snow globe where it's like this
well we're inside of it and then there's
an edge to the dome I think that it's
just an infinite plane with it with the
firmament above us that we can't get out
of because that's God's dwelling that's
not where we're splits not where we
belong
we're humans right and so that's a
prideful and egotistical thing to think
that you can travel up to the heavens
which is why in a sense you can see how
like when they tried to create a tower
to reach the Babel
you know the Tower of Babel to reach the
heavens God destroyed that now whether
you want to call that now sir or some
other way to try to break through the
dome firmament I don't know what that
would be now but I think that we have an
infinite plane with unlimited resources
water and lands that that they're
keeping from us for sure yeah yeah
whether that's a nice wall or not I
don't know never been there before I've
seen pictures right but you know that's
a straw man argument because you're
you're saying that these pictures aren't
true but then these pictures about an
ice wall are true you know so it's like
where can we meet halfway to come up to
some agreement and I think the agreement
that I can get to with people who think
this is hilarious to them is just saying
I don't know you know and just admitting
that you don't know but a lot of people
take pictures like that young lady get
over there and people who walk by and
mock and call me names
but what they're really doing is
trusting in what they were taught at 10
years old when they were valuable when
they were innocent when when they never
questioned Authority or you get the belt
right yeah I think it has to be real
here yeah and just you know there's a
lot of peer pressure on that too you
know I mean if you think that the earth
is flat and you're amongst all your
college friends and buddies I could
equate that to if you're homosexual and
you're hanging out with your college
buddies in the locker room yeah are you
gonna tell all your friends that you're
homosexual or not probably not so
there's probably just as many flat
closeted flat earthers out there as
there are people who do question
authority but just the the peer pressure
their job their family keep them from
really talking about it yeah for me it's
just like
yeah I don't it doesn't matter yeah yeah
I get what you're saying I think we've
got to leave I mean let's even just
philosoph I about you or not you me and
him could probably have our own
continent yeah you know if the
government gave me enough resources food
and water to travel 20,000 miles south
and whether it be a boat or an airplane
or sled dogs or whatever I don't know
but if we were just given the
opportunity to just venture out and do
our own thing used to say that couldn't
be true but there is an Antarctic Treaty
which holds us in and they use the AE
map as a means to keep us in and and
there is a treaty out there it was
created that's the you that's the UN map
flag yeah that's the UN flag
yeah with 33 increments there so well I
mean there's a lot of conjecture about
what the number 33 means you know so you
know it could be the highest-ranked and
Freemasonry you know it's the age Jesus
Christ died and rose from the dead you
know so there's a lot of different
things that you can look into 33 but it
is funny that how often you'll see the
number 33 in the news
just type in the number 33 and go to
news on Google I'll guarantee you in the
last week you'll have something that
comes up and I'll just be like 33 people
died from you know hurricane or
something I don't know but I know for a
fact that in the last month
Bill Gates came out with something
saying that a major epidemic will come
in the future like you know a virus or
something like that and it will kill 33
people 33 million people right so it's
funny the Karma line is 62 miles like if
you want to use mainstream science and
let's say that there is outer space the
division between our atmosphere and
outer space is 62 miles that's 330
thousand feet in numerology zeros don't
mean anything so it's 33 so how do they
get three hundred and thirty thousand
feet at the edge of space right it's
their way of communicating with each
other to know whether or not something's
true or a hoax yeah so appreciate it
yeah it's fun I mean it's a nice day oh
and I got nothing better to do so yeah
yeah go for it yeah it's a red pill man
you're committing to waking up now for
sure yeah we call people purple pillars
who like believe in aliens 9/11 is a
hoax do you like all these other
conspiracy theories but then once you
talk about Flat Earth with them they're
like you're kidding right yeah that's a
purple pillar because they can't get to
that next point of saying like they'll
believe in Bigfoot right and the Loch
Ness monster or then when you talk about
Flat Earth they want to hang you yeah
you know but and then there's a lot of
blue pillars just people just love the
system and the government would never
lie to them and but your parents as a
child conspired against you for your
first ten years of your life and Santa
Claus is real right
so we all know that Siemens we can
literally be told anything from the
server yeah really
as children well it's like The Truman
Show says yeah people accept the reality
in which they're presented so who said I
don't believe in science yeah I mean you
where that's a pretty frock ative
t-shirt right there and itself
wrong that got run across people with
NASA shirts on all the time I mean
that's that's classic man I appreciate
you stopping i have cystic fibrosis
which is a terminal illness deals with
the lungs small intestine and the
pancreas so when i was born i was told
that i wasn't gonna live past my teenage
years I'm 37 now so so I try I trust
science and there's a difference between
science and scientist at is scientism
because you can't ever been there we're
all scientists though and so I respect
the fact
I think you're right that today's day
and age will rely too much on science
yeah I think that's the only way to find
truth or math numbers what I guess would
say is what is your proof isn't science
about debunking like falsifying
something so if I falsify the globe
would that do it for you would then that
lead you to the direction of maybe maybe
the earth isn't flat like he said or
maybe the earth isn't flat maybe it's
not a globe I don't know what it is but
if I could falsify this would that lead
you to question more about what you're
wearing
well I mean you're wearing a solar
system not at all man that's not no no
those wandering stars do you know what
the definition of a wandering star is or
a planet that they're interchangeable so
a planet is a wandering star it's just a
light in the sky
that's not fixed in its position it just
moves in a particular pattern and so to
assume that that's a place that we can
venture to that is a theory that's
theoretical physics I question authority
everywhere though right
that's fine well-well gets that way but
I guess
okay do you know your model you know
this pretty well you know the
circumference of your own planet that
you live on you know any of the
circumference --is of those planets that
you have on your t-shirt okay so you're
just what are you even doing yeah I mean
if you dated a girl for a year or two
and you didn't know her birth date
do you think that would be a problem
well the correlation is is you believe
that you've seen this from the visual
that you have let's say that your eyes
are the moon okay yes okay so you say
that well there is an objective reality
and this is not it this is this is
twenty four thousand nine hundred one
miles in circumference okay that's how
you that's how you see a ball okay and
then you use this right here since
you're a math guy I'd encourage you to
look at that now you're not a numbers
guy at all no you have no idea what
numbers mean okay so this is the
Pythagorean theorem yeah okay eight
inches per mile squared that makes this
okay these are married to each other
okay and over fifty miles from one
shoreline to the other you can take a
picture of the Chicago skyline and still
see yeah take it easy guys have a good
walk you can still see the Chicago
skyline even the smaller buildings they
should be obscured by 1700 feet of water
curvature for so from love observer
height of 6 feet you take a picture you
shouldn't be able to see the Chicago
skyline anymore from 50 miles away
because it curves right you're curving
it you're looking straight ahead and
those so those buildings should be
obscured by the curvature of the earth
from 50 miles so that how do periscopes
work how does the Coriolis effect work
because if the Coriolis effect is true
and you can tell like for example
somebody can tell me that a sniper from
3 or 4 miles away uses the Coriolis
effect then why don't our planes do the
same thing why can't I just hover in a
helicopter 30,000 feet and just wait for
my destination if the earth is spinning
hey thanks Rob he stopped by earlier so
you know I'm trying to say here like do
you know that the earth is spinning also
right I mean so not only is yeah I can't
tell right a second right and so what do
they tell us the nomenclature is that we
don't experience spinning and water can
conform to the exterior of a ball what's
the word that they tell us to explain
this away gravity I don't believe in the
the term the nomenclature gravity and
how they're able to explain this away I
believe things can fall to the ground
yes it's a phenomenon that we can't
explain it's just that things fall to
the ground they weigh more than the air
around them and that's buoyancy and
density it's really that simple I I
guess what would be the motive
what's the point are you real quick ok
you didn't know the circumference of the
earth
that's evidence I just gave it to you I
gave you this this is more evidence to
show you that water doesn't conform to
the exterior of a ball it's flat
that's evidence we are at a crime scene
and you're asking for the motive already
I've been into this for 3 years and I
have a good understanding of what the
motive might be what's flat does it
change anything it would shit it changed
everything for me
what do you think I'm here well you
can't say that my testimony of me being
here knowing that the earth is flat
hasn't changed me I'm here on my free
time I'm not at home playing video games
eating going to the beach you know who
you are where you come from do you want
to hear my answer you're talking over me
okay you're asking me it changes who you
are where you're from at what you are
and who created you I believe that God
that's not religion believing in God
it's believing in God and religion are
two different things
that's a religion your shirt is a
religion notice you're taking someone
else's testimony about what that's
supposed to look like you've never been
there you never will and you believe it
and you walk around with that t-shirt
but you don't even know the
circumference of the third planet from
the Sun but I guess I could say the same
thing you could but I can admit it
see that's the difference is I can admit
I don't know I don't really know exactly
where we are well what about the light
in the sky how far away is that
I don't know you know look all by you
don't know so there's a baby
we can go by what we're supposed to go
by won't you but how how would you know
any different than anyone else
observations testers that tests that I
can do okay so have you tested to see
how far we are I don't know nobody knows
it's 93 million miles is what they tell
us
so would you believe me if I told you
that it was 93 miles not 93 million
miles because the same shadow stuff that
they do it sticks in the ground hundreds
of years ago that's that can be done on
a flat immovable plane with a local Sun
also the sky isn't gonna tell you that
the earth is flat no bud water will
using a gyroscope will
so how old is the earth and in European
earth I don't know man from what the
timeline that most people would agree
with in the Christian realm no more than
a thousand years
is that base often spaced off of
timelines and how people lived and born
were born and then died in the Bible
okay so your base all right well I want
to make something clear I became a flat
earther before I knew the bursts okay
can you listen to what I have to say
okay I became a flat earther before I
knew the earth was an immovable
motionless plane in the Bible so I could
make my own observations come to my own
conclusions without run into the Bible
I've got a good your Bible if sprouted
up come on man I mean give me some
credit
I believe that Christ is God I believe
the Bible is true it has existed for a
long hard to prove any what to say I
originally came up with it myself when
time
was but Bible being around for a long
time what is that what is what is the
point of that what do you turtle meaning
just I mean it is kind of is there it is
kind of an awesome feeling
to trust in the Flat Earth and know that
the earth is not this anymore
and then go back and look have somebody
show me hey did you know that the Bible
also says the earth isn't spinning that
it's fixed and it's not moving and the
skies and the Sun and the moon move
around us and it's a geocentric
environment that would yes confirm my
quote belief in Flat Earth for sure you
are saying no I just told you that I do
understand what the Bible says but I
didn't look into the earth being fixed
and immovable until afterwards it just
seems like there this is my experience
there is because I came how old are you
23
okay I'm gonna slow it down for ya okay
I investigated Flat Earth first when
about three years ago
yeah and I'm 37 now and you weren't what
is this religion thing do you know what
religion means do you know what religion
means that's not religion no it's not
man no it's not it's not okay it's not
no it's not trust and faith in Jesus
Christ dying for your sins
is faith not a religion I'm not
accountable to any Church any body of
people any organization that I have to
give alms to to then have communication
with God
I can talk to God right now through
faith in Jesus Christ that is faith
religion is conforming to a particular
mindset and then having to go through
another person or another entity another
group of people and trusting in what
they say and that's why the Catholic
Church for example kept the Bible from a
lot of people who were illiterate
because they didn't want people to know
that they didn't want people to know
about God or Christ or anything they
wanted people to trust in the church
much like how people now are trusting in
the state through their educational
system how about Protestants I don't
know what Protestant says I don't know
what evangelicals are I don't know what
Catholics are I don't care what these
people are men that's all religion
that's all people you've got to say like
oh be part of this group okay so you
have everybody should have their own
individual faith because you and I are
gonna stand in front of God and hold
each other's hand and say oh god all
these exceptions it Briggs's it well
it's just me and that's where objective
reality comes into play because your
belief or your knowing or your knowledge
about whether heaven or hell is real but
also I'm not a I'm not a proponent of
scientist either
I'm not out here saying that Oh science
is the only way to truth science is
everything I totally reject that okay
that's good to hear more of a
are you kind of agnostic or agnostic
towards science and then exam agnostic
okay I say I would say I'm I'm heavily
influenced by philosophy it's sure yeah
like existentialism that you know that
is ancient Greek philosophy the sceptics
for example questions I mean essentially
kind of like where you're doing the
questions reality and what you know
there was radical ones that you know
would go as far as saying that nothing
exists at all right right so so then how
can nothing be created into something
semantics yeah so I would say again I
respect the fact that you're out sure I
just I just want to make it clear that
you have an understanding of what
religion and faith know because because
there are two different things you know
I mean I do have to draw organize I mean
and then let's even go so as far to say
like let's say that there's a flat earth
Church because a lot of 501 3 C's won't
talk about Flat Earth because they're
tax exempt right and if you're tax
exempt then that means that you have to
kind of abide by a governmental rules of
what you can and can't say Flat Earth is
one of those topics that you can't talk
about now you can bring it up and say
have you looked into this but you'll
hear you'll see more pastors and whatnot
talk down about it and ridicule and
mocking you know so they're not even
open in that aspect they they still
trust in science you know they still
trust that people would never deceive
them but then they're reading a book
about how the devil deceives all nations
right and so yeah I mean if there would
be a flatter of church where people
talked about Flat Earth openly and
comfortably like I wouldn't be able to
go to a church and talk about Flat Earth
amongst Christians because they think
I'm crazy right yeah but I mean as a
collective body of people coming
together people would identify that as
being a religion but really that's just
a bunch of like-minded people getting
together no different than getting
together at a bar you know to watch a
basketball game you know tonight that
b-dubs right so I mean is that a church
is 10 buddies getting together to watch
a basketball game is that religion
that's why I
you know kind of the speediest group
where where it's like you know again a
heavy scientific and then there you know
it's like their own club their own
religion right just like atheism and I
don't go that far I don't you know
atheism as a religion because that's
totally that doesn't make sense
sugar hates me obviously yeah so as a
free thinking person a free-spirited
person i don't i'm very some of you who
I question everything I question
authority I question like why not so and
with regards to like the government
itself like I'm having the more radical
than yours well every guy's like rise up
I've picketed outside of our federal or
Federal Reserve Building twice okay so
do you want to come to the Fed Reserve
your pool and hold us on okay but not
like is it kind of odd the not the end
and I'm afraid to use that term because
I want you to judge me to think I'm like
so like one of those you know people who
revolute I'm not like a revolutionary
anarchists like Hayami I mean this is
well I guess what my goodness is that
it's like you know like you know seats
to the media the portrayal of like
people who are usually people like out
throwing rocks yeah I'm not like yeah
that's like your auntie pose and stuff
like that they're I guess what a lot of
that is run by the state
exactly so is that you can you take that
stuff immediately why at all exactly I
mean it's yeah but yeah so I'll say this
I'm open-minded
hmm you're more open-minded than most in
regards to people who wear that type of
shirt I'll just and I'll give it yeah I
don't know it's kind of ironic I wore
this yeah they're just kind of a random
sure it said yeah but it's never random
it appears to be round if you will sure
but so another interesting thing is my
brother he works for Tesla boom
Tesla I'm Yoann mouth SpaceX etc there's
a little edge car in outer space I guess
you know my question is like you know
does my brother know things that I don't
know you know do they tell no I think
it's all compartmentalization to be
honest with you meaning that I make I
work for a company that makes circuit
boards for rockets you work for the
navigational company that works for the
rocket industry and this guy works for
the fins that go on Rockets you know
they don't know when or what the stuff
is going on but it all comes together
and everything is compartmentalized they
won't tell them no I will by the way
this is actually the saw like stage not
unless they're a high level they sign
non-disclosure agreements even that far
that's not proving anything really
there's just a lot of
compartmentalization that goes into
faking space in the ISS you know if you
watch the is you can have that DVD if
you want you know if you watch ISS
videos you can see them what appears to
be them hanging upside down augmented
reality green screens you know them them
just disappearing behind a wall
literally just literally disappearing
like and it's like nobody questions this
stuff because it's coming from a
particular level of authority that they
know better than I do because they went
to school for it right yeah but that
doesn't really prove anything that just
means that you're more indoctrinated
into this reality in which we live in
and numbers you know are your god
because if you can't prove it by numbers
and maths then it doesn't exist so she's
brought up Tesla and I'm I'd actually go
a step farther than you go and say that
in math isn't like the answer that
everything know either no I don't think
so you know I got you so I don't think
so it's a language yeah and it can be
manipulated ultimately I guess where I
focus i reconstructed these numbers so
we constructed these numbers to conform
to this supposed reality right it's a
language as all languages are languages
are just constructed human things up
well available are these words whether
you know like the word grass actually
means what it says no we don't know
right right so it's kind of like the
same thing with this where it's like
these are just all these numbers and I
mean do we really know
and again my you know I would love to go
like try to go up to space myself to
test it myself know what that's like
kind of out of the realm of possibility
right yeah so and then those that trust
in that type of experience that then
would become you know scientism you know
cuz then you're trusting in something
that you can't test yeah yourself you
know and I see where people get religion
and faith mixed up you know where
they're like well you trust in some book
you know and testimony of man and
they're you know but then that brings it
back and says but I'm not I'm not giving
alms I don't have to I don't have to do
anything to appease God that's the thing
and and I guess they would say well
there's works and the works are trusting
in Christ right that's your works and so
but then I have works and testimony
right here where when I get asked the
question why is it such a big deal how
does it change your life and it's like
well doesn't my testimony by me bringing
all this stuff during my free time show
the importance of knowing the other side
of the story you know and back to the
numbers thing with numbers they can be
created to lie and to show something
that if I might manipulate that's out
there just like English I could use
English to deceive you in a way that
wouldn't appear that I'm lying you know
but I'm telling you the truth
yeah you know and that's what the
mainstream media doesn't law is is they
manipulate words in such a way that they
could say school shooting all right
right school shooting well who's doing
the shooting the person right or the
school
and I know about you guys very Scott
yeah feelings especially yeah I oughta
hoax them all time yeah and there's some
youtubers right I'm subscribe you from
the free radio revolution I might be
yeah is he the guy that does mostly
black and white like he does a radio
program and the Micra sin front of them
and it's always black and white no like
his face or just their uh no little
buddy hit yes a new JEP si though yeah I
probably ever see you yeah she's on
YouTube anymore
because you know right manipulative
itself so he got what it's called
d2 there's something worth sharing on
five
I think it's called new world agenda now
okay but again kind of a lot of this
type of stuff now he isn't a flat
earther he what is interesting it's not
a fiery third but he you know is he in
the conspiracy on yaar so that we call
those purple pillars oh yeah sure you're
a red pillar when you're able to go
flatter okay okay but if you think that
JFK thing and all that or a conspirator
you don't like her I'll look into that
gotta look into that and that's that
might be true but then when you bring up
Flat Earth where's Alex Jones yeah it
may or may not be Bill Hicks right
allegedly so and yeah so that's all
right yeah I mean I'm just I'm just
trying to challenge the neighborhood I
guess somewhere I would say to you is uh
I mean I guess could go a step further
maybe question your faith I don't know I
have already been there yeah and again I
respect your decision not to deterrents
or light lager yeah so but I guess for
me
like my experience I
to be able to kind of fully own yourself
it's not only question what you doing
what you're doing but and not believe
everything you see on TV question
government sir but also to question your
beliefs and their pain because then that
gives you know your own power over
yourself to kind of just live your own
life as someone who you know I think it
really is no purposeful life and I think
that we're all just here to just to
enjoy ourselves
ultimately it's so and I think the best
way to do that is to kind of powder
blush is to always question the things
around you
routing signs between religion and faith
whatever and to never let something
control you whether it's the government
estate sure faith God anything yeah
because as soon as you
make something safer and as soon as you
make something above yourself now you're
serving something so and I'm I think
that
you know i certainly sound fault that
what you just said with that description
that's Satanism no yeah it is fulfilling
the flash and only focusing on oneself
that is second ISM so but I mean I know
their shows halogen is a is they know is
a new thing no it's not is a new thing
no it's a product of the 20th century no
Anton LaVey and all that stuff that's
all hogwash Satanism is sustainable same
as in Satanism fulfilling automatic
doing oxer it's doing as thou wilt if
this feels good to me that I get to do
it as long as I don't hurt anybody
that's Satanism and that's what my point
is that that's its own doctrine has its
own over here if you but I don't adhere
to but you just any but but see I buy
your death on your own definition and
understanding what Satanism is don't get
mad at the messenger I'm just saying
that that's what's eating them is
Satanism else is doing as thou wilt know
because so researching not because I
mean I feel frankly resource savings
I mean they have their own ethics
essentially yeah they do so so I'm going
this and whatever makes you feel good no
but they're not they're not they still
have restrictions like you said like you
know don't harm someone don't you know I
mean they have like a hole at the cold
background it's called selfishness no no
no because it's not like full-on
Silver's okay now so what's restraining
you from being selfish
what part of you is restraining you the
things that I mentioned sacred ideas
that I mentioned and where do those come
from but the thing is where my point was
being it was saying that same as a far
as I'm concerned is not seniors that
Satanism is trying to be like a Remus
I'm trying to be like the opposite of I
guess your typical Christian I guess
okay
and so again I'm not trying to be
opposed to I'm not trying to like oppose
Christians or ever you're not trying to
like me bail against them I'm just doing
what what I know here's the point of my
philosophy is that it's whatever is in
my mind as I do the same as I love any
of that it's just me Satan doesn't exist
I exist I really like the Nexus of
individual it's not interesting design
so if anything it's it's simple you know
that's the only point on me and again my
the other point I'm saying is that scene
is a product of is a new thing it's not
like something that existed like the
bike like that like the actual like it
was never it was never indirectly
mentioned in the Bible
yeah well and like that like the Anton
LaVey they have a particular because
this was a gender this was only like a
hundred fifty years ago but the idea to
serve self isn't it isn't new it's not
yes but it's not but I wouldn't confuse
that with Satanism okay again they're
different
okay that's so because I mean they're
that is a religion they have symbolism
that they way that's all right yeah I
don't yeah i the only person that that I
know to exist as me myself who not Satan
not anything else so okay
well I'll leave you with this over
ninety nine percent of all people who
look into Flat Earth who were previously
atheists are believers in a Creator God
now whether that be you know source or
you know a creator of some kind or the
biblical God there are no atheists in
war and there are no atheists and flat
earth so remain as
the people who who start the wars and
control the wars can we agree that most
of the wars that we see on TV are
manufactured oh yeah okay yeah so those
people that manufacture set wars are not
atheists they believe in a God and their
God is Lucifer of the Bible so the
people that you the the person that you
that you understand yourself to be now
yes it's not the same person that the
people who control our quote decisions
or give us our decisions in life those
those are Luciferians serving something
you are serving something indirectly no
if you're serving yourself and you're
serving a satanic type of idea no
because you're confusing now what kind
of satanic idea I'm not if you don't
want to put that label on someone when I
don't but that is because what you're
saying is that there are certain
behaviors in life that automatically
resorts related that's
well it's what I'm sighs exactly what I
reject I reject all ravens and so to say
that all of suddenly just like how I was
saying when you were defending you know
saying that you're not part of a
religion I'm saying the same thing it's
okay that don't put this on me as saying
that this is like a religion and like
saying that some behaviors that
automatically mean that all your satanic
but that's just okay so in constructs so
if the quacks like a duck looks like a
duck and acts like a doc it's not a duck
that's three notice we don't but that's
the whole point about all of this yeah
come on I mean now you're getting into
like nothing exists I don't know what
exists you know it's what is what I mean
is the skeptical hypothesis that's you a
I'd be too skeptical though man you have
to put your foot down on some things
that's what you're doing no I put my
foot down long ago and God is real Jesus
Christ is our God and at some point in
your life in your existence you will bow
down to him whether you choose to or not
so so and that's the kind of dogma that
well I mean that's fine if you want to
reject that point my only point that's
objective reality my point my only
advice was that you're 23 telling me
it's well I'm telling a 37 year old to
it doesn't very lengthen faith well you
should we think it does matter how old
you are to have a 23 year old tell an
older person who is almost who is 14
years older than them to rethink their
faith I'm saying that I have more
experience in life yeah and my
experience in life has been proven to
show me that God is real live analogic
you could say the same thing about a
scientist has Moore's I I could you know
and then somebody could have something
hanging from their rearview mirror that
they pray to every once in a while when
things get really bad and then things
get really good and then they account
what they pray to like this thing that's
hanging from their rearview mirror as
the reason why good things are happening
to them now
that's how this place works if you
devote you reap what you sow you know so
if you're gonna if you're gonna reap
self you're only gonna get selfish
things towards you and this seems like
an opportunity for you to start to
really expand your mind more in regards
to your reality who created you why he
loves you so much
and why this place hates you so much
okay cuz this place hates you hates me
hates everybody here which is why we
believe we live on a ball in outer space
because they can manufacture this
fantasy of where we're supposed to live
and I get I mean I
it all comes down to a deity yeah
knowing that earth is flat or where or a
sphere isn't gonna save you it's not
trusting in Christ will and then you go
from there
so then you I guess are someone
admitting that this is kind of a
religious sort of faith-based well I
know the earth is flat not a spirit but
as water is the relation between belief
in God in Christ there's a lot of none
there's a lot of Christian with an
unflattering yeah because if you really
are uncompetitive or than how it's not
incompatible because there are people
out there who claim to be a flat earth
or and still think that it's it wasn't
created by anybody ok but if I took
apart a grandfather clock and just
unscrewed the screws just enough so that
it could still be a grandfather clock
and we put it in a shipping container
over how many years would we have to
shake that shipping container until it
turns back into a grandfather clock
I'm saying that there was a creator of
the grandfather clock right it wasn't
random
so at how many hundreds of thousands of
years do you have to put a watch inside
of a container shake it until it comes
back to a watch again well they tell us
apparently 15 billion years is how long
it takes to shake something until it
becomes creation you know and if people
want to believe that that's fine
but there is an objective reality to
where we live and everything else can be
subjective but to know who you are and
who who created you is the most
important part of your life flat earth
and sphere earth and knowing who killed
JFK is really a moot point if that's not
going to save you but I didn't become a
Christian until I was 26 you know I just
happened to be at the right place at the
right time got a Bible track in the mail
and I read it and then Here I am right
you know so I mean it could be anybody
it doesn't have to be somebody preaching
to me and saying you know let Jesus into
your heart type of deal that didn't
happen you know it was just me at a
point in my life at 26 where I just read
it and then epiphany I woke up I was
like wow okay we are created and it took
me another 11 years right to get to
where I am at now to say that flat earth
next to becoming a Christian believing
in Jesus Christ is the most important
thing that a person needs to understand
because of the indoctrination in
education I guess the final thing I'd
say is
now here's it 652 dropping almost just
oh yeah take them all man
okay got more in the car now problems
has who know but if you take that that's
a red pill so that means that you have
to check out Flat Earth on a serious
level yeah where you add on it believe
anything it does matter
yeah he's like me
it doesn't affect middle-aged man I mean
no offense but you know I don't vote it
doesn't count
so I'm very blessed yeah I mean we can
we can probably agree on a lot more than
you think I'm not disagreeing but I just
don't care uh well that's it but that's
what I was saying to you is that really
I agree I I like the feather your
question things where you don't go the
extra mile you don't go the extra mile
and put your foot down and say this is
true in my heart you don't go near your
mouth it's a questionnaire on faith
that's what I'm saying no how do you
know I didn't question my own faith and
that's why I'm wearing that now I mean
doesn't that lead a person to
questioning to get more confirmation
about what they're trusting their faith
in over a period of time of life
experience or your building yeah that
and facts right in your life to show you
what's true or no it's now and so yeah I
do put my foot down and and I do what I
just don't see what's wrong with that
well I love to do violent but I mean I
guess my point was just bad
on yourself you don't own yourself
commodity on the stock exchange right
now from the Fed Reserve do you know
that your birth certificate is literally
a commodity that's why your name is in
capital letters on your driver's license
certificate so you don't own yourself so
as much as you might have this
philosophy that I like to find an owner
and I'm a little pen a person you're not
so well you can say all you want I'm
gonna try as hard as I can to try as
hard as you want but you're still owned
by the establishment and trade it as a
commodity information no it's about
producing you as a slave to pay for the
interest on the Fed Reserve Bank you're
we literally why we pay taxes is to pay
the interest not the whole sum of debt
you're the interest so that's how you
that's how useless we are to them to the
people who created the Federal Reserve
the banknotes and economy no they're not
the same they're not the same as us they
think that they are but we've given them
their their power by consenting by our
silence so do you want to come to the
Fed Reserve with me next week and then
stand out front and inform the public
that tax is theft what did it I mean
that's a libertarian flush that's fine
look I just don't
yeah so you're not gonna be held
accountable to anybody when you die no
how do you know that but to define it
like oh what's up dad I'm dead I mean no
i sat in a sauna the other day and I was
like shit if this is what hell is like
this is gonna suck
they're not even a one not even 1% sorry
I follow Christ yeah that's it huh run
away run don't worry you'll see him
someday too man
I can't wait prove it prove it prove it
prove it
well what's your name Oh David Joshua
yeah nice to meet you Julie
again I respect right here yeah well I
hope that uh I did something for you
yeah I mean the only thing I disagree
about is I agree with not testing the
government all that so yes that much
better so Sherman well we're all gonna
die man you know or we'll we'll all need
the our maker and we'll all truth will
be revealed all the conspiracy theories
will come to light yes that sensor you
know but one really knows what happens
but when you die you don't have a second
chance to go back and figure things out
you have to figure them out here so I
hope I hope you know what you're doing
man I really do I really do
David's a strong name too man so you
know strong like strong oh I know I use
a name but I get Joshua's a powerful
name also you know you just want to go
right biblical standards yeah sure why
wouldn't I why won't I want to emulate
powerful people in the Bible who were
led by the spirit yeah that's what
that's what they tell us right ya know
it's what I tell me well I think I think
mainstream Authority has told us a lot
of things I wouldn't say that that's
nice
that's just really yeah okay man it's
like I said I don't trust the girl well
like I said the people who make your
rules and the things that you have to
follow and so on and so on they're
Luciferian okay so they trust the Bible
more than you do and you think that you
have modern taste so reading ancient
Greek philosophy is going to give you a
good idea of how to pass here now it
doesn't matter if it predates the Bible
it doesn't make it true
all right man the law has been written
on your heart and that's why you're not
a murderer
what's up I can't hear you
I had to zoom in to those people that
lady she was bent over laughing because
what I what I'm doing here is just so
ridiculous that I have a mental illness
and I need psychological help to bring
me back to the fold of good old daddy
government and our education to
re-educate me in the facts of our
objective reality and I seem to be one a
few flat-earthers out there that are
open you know and talk and stuff that
can put their finger on something stand
their ground and not waver in certain
aspects particularly when it comes to
faith in God and that's fine you know
but this is who I am you're not going to
be able to come come by me or come here
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things at 37 where I'm not gonna
question anymore you're not gonna be
able to make me doubt my faith in Christ
you're not gonna be able to make me
waver you know so another thing too I
just wanted to bring up and so one thing
I wanted to bring up to everybody is
this sport of trolling now there are
people in you know discord or
particularly discord
where people are sending me direct
messages wanting to talk to me about
Flat Earth and whatnot and I'd rarely
ever talk to these people I don't
respond because it's just like you know
if you're asking these types of
questions you clearly haven't looked
into anything yourself and you're just
really looking to troll and so I ended
up having a two-hour conversation with
somebody who sent me a message
his name is mr. flame and wasn't able to
have a serious conversation with him at
all because all he wanted to do was
create a sport about it where it's just
banter between a flat earther a person
who believes in Christ because I asked
him if he goes into you know debates
with Christianity versus Athey and a
theism and so on and so on he's like
yeah I do
and we're talking where this is all
voice-chat you know so we're all the two
of us are talking you know through voice
chat because I wasn't going to talk to
him otherwise and so he it's just a
sport to these people now to make you
doubt your knowledge of Flat Earth and
your belief in Jesus Christ and I called
him out on it and I have it recorded and
maybe someday I'll share it but he just
it's a sport to these people now so I
think like as Flat Earth continues to
grow you're gonna have people who will
just purposefully troll you not to get a
reaction anymore I think it's really
just to make you doubt you know where
you're at and your you know knowledge
about Flat Earth and whatnot and it's a
real sad state of affairs for people to
direct message someone throughout the
day which I asked them I'm like do you
specifically this message cuz you know
who I am or is this is random he's like
no it's just a random thing I want to
get you know an idea of what
flat-earthers think and so basically I'm
just thinking like I must I'm an
experiment to this person like I look
I'm a subject and this person is just
gathering information and then moves on
to the next person and then just
continues to just treat people like
there's some kind of you know subject
like because there's no other way right
I mean we got to be all all those who
believe in Flat Earth we're all mentally
ill how could you go against mainstream
science and go against the educational
system that we've had so just be aware
that when you're in these social
networks if you will these places where
you can talk to just random people try
to have a voice conversation with these
people because you could be talking to a
bot if you're just texting back and
forth I mean really if you haven't
looked into artificial intelligent
algorithms that can literally have
conversations with people just be aware
that if you're not talking to somebody
verbally there's probably a good chance
you're talking to an AI now when you
talk to somebody verbally I mean you
could go so as far as that to but I
don't think that you know the AI is
sophisticated enough to have a flat
earth verbal conversation you know but
I think that this that is gonna start to
flood you know various discord
conversations where people are just like
trying to make you doubt where you live
you know like these three ladies here
where it's just like they laugh but
they've never looked into anything they
never question their reality they just
think everything's true just like Santa
Claus and so when you have people you
know like these three ladies here
walking by who just laugh and ridicule
without any real investigation because
they trust the establishment to give
them their answers that's a sad state of
affairs like that's that's what we're up
against on a regular basis and you kind
of need to get over you know an ego and
just talk to people about it talk to
every single person you know you
shouldn't profile somebody you shouldn't
wait in the corner and hide be like oh
no they're not gonna be into it no they
don't look like they're into it oh this
person yeah definitely they'll
definitely talk about it so then I'll
videotape the conversation with them you
know that's not fair because you're
you're withholding a lot of information
from people and I invite again everybody
to come out here to do activism with me
send me an email it'll be in the
description section send me a message
you know whatever you feel comfortable
doing and if you live in Minnesota you
know I'd love to do something with you
just the two of us or get a group
together and do it together how you
doing
he's amazed
he's amazed pretty well they help myself
have you ever seen this globe earth from
that perspective before so let's say
that you're the moon right you're on the
moon and then alright have you looked at
the earth from that perspective before
no with your own physical eyes okay yeah
and then when you investigate the
pictures that they say that are from
outer space you realize that they're
images and not real photos they're
composites they're photoshopped that
created on a computer yeah I don't know
when they started taking photos of 1972
yeah that was good did they start
developing the software to life probably
yeah I mean you know it wouldn't be
surprised there's no concrete evidence
to show that they didn't have the
ability to Photoshop images at the time
and if you look at the subroutine saputo
film the JFK assassination film you can
easily tell that that's been edited I
mean it's just that was a 19 yeah like
the footage makes more sense yeah that's
in 1963 so that was nine years before
the photo from which without the earth
whatever technology you can think I mean
yeah you could had come to some
conclusions I mean but I do a my I have
a YouTube channel right there if you
don't mind grabbing a card I posted a 40
minute video of a guy who claims to be a
person that makes the images that you
see in your science books of the missile
outer space he's not necessarily
whistleblower I mean he's just telling
it like it is you know I mean he's just
saying like we get our information of
outer space that's laid out on a piece
of paper numbers graphs dots so on and
so on and somehow he's able to interpret
what he sees on a piece of paper and
visualize it into you know something
like you know this something like you
know this you know striving class or
something like that cause we're a
professor said that when people are on a
space shuttle in space and they look
down to the earth
that the curvature caused by the
curvature of the glass
that's an interesting point for him to
say that yeah okay yeah yeah I mean
mainstream media does kind of hint and a
lot of things and divulge truth
that most you know common folk wouldn't
ever think like they just told the truth
you don't I mean like wow they really
just said that on live TV like the first
guy that showed up at the Pentagon
during 9/11 and the reporter said I'm
not seeing evident any evidences that an
airplane crashed here the next day he
had to recant his statement you know
but what are some evidences that you
have to to know that you live on a
sphere in outer space yeah I don't have
any oh that's what I was wondering boys
on what is what is there what are they
sure like a motive you're saying yeah so
if you just showed up on a crime scene
and there's blood everywhere there's a
bloody knife and it's an empty apartment
do you see me D Utley start thinking of
a motive or do you gather evidence first
yeah right and so if I was to provide
you with the circumference of the earth
24900 one miles that's the circumference
so that's that's kind of a prison planet
right so we're not we're not able to go
any there's no other tool and for us to
find is what they're saying right
there's no more water there's no
resources everything that we have is on
this little blue marble in outer space
right and so with that being said I have
equation 8 inches per mile squared this
is their maths broken down into a
equation to show you that over 50 miles
you should see up to 1,800 feet of
curvature from one shoreline to another
so you shouldn't be able to see skylines
of cities from over 50 miles away
because the earth curvature should
obscure those buildings right because
they're further away
Yeah right okay so with all that being
said knowing that water is level okay in
a container at what point and what
height do you see it conforming to the
exterior of a ball well then they give
us the nomenclature of gravity right
that's how the water can conform to the
exterior of a ball on a massive scale
okay and so what if they in the 1950s
and 60s were to have at the time set
Rockets up and found out that there's a
dome above us that they can't get out do
you think that they would still tell you
that the earth is a sphere or do you
think that they would trick your mind
through education into thinking that you
live on a sphere when they just found
out that it's a level plane right and so
yeah exactly I mean people accept the
reality in which they're presented right
all right and so for example to say that
this table expands forever
okay Mountain see your water here
mountains here gold here you know so on
and so on what if it just expands
infinitely but they just contain us into
a particular area well you would be shot
most likely you'd be told to come back
in because there's an Antarctic tree
have you looked into the Antarctic
Treaty yeah so there's an Antarctic
Treaty out there that was formed in the
late fall in the late 40s where almost
50 to 60 countries now are part of that
so we're at war right we're killing each
other or murdering each other but for
some reason we're able to go to outer
space in the International Space Station
we're all buddies and then this
Antarctic Treaty we're able to just be
okay with so really I think that they're
just withholding lands and more
resources and more water from us confine
us yeah
yes who destroy the planet or something
yeah and with global warming that idea
it is to create the human being as the
enemy yeah right and so what if the
earth just expanded for ever and it was
a level plane and you and I got the
money and the resources the food and the
water to go twenty thousand miles in
this direction and you found your own
continent right continent and I found my
own continent who's gonna tell us what
we can or can't do nobody but because
these people who are in control are
power-hungry you know they're able to
keep us confined into this Truman Show
environment if you will well I mean you
can supposedly go on Antarctic plane
trips and stuff there beyond what you
and I could afford twenty thirty
thousand dollars right exactly
and so really where I'm at right now is
just to bring knowledge to the public on
an individual basis because most people
they haven't heard of Flat Earth B have
heard of it and it's only online and
they mock and ridicule it or C they
don't know whether the earth is a sphere
or flat who knows or they just don't
care and I hope by my testimony coming
out here to bring attention to Flat
Earth will allow a person's defenses to
be dropped a little bit to then
investigate it and say well this guy was
spending four hours on you know May 31st
trying to reach the public maybe I
should look into it a little bit and
then as a person opens their mind to
such conversations it will lead you to
where you need to be not necessarily
coming out here and setting up a table
right you know but I mean plant the see
talk about talk about it with your
friends and family and I dare you to you
know but and then just go from there you
know
mr. Donnelly and he was he mentioned was
part of like a flattery society like
there was a group yeah the hell is sad
day yes possibly
one thing though to mention about the
Flat Earth Society that is that is a
thing but is a it is a government-run
website yeah it is a bit contradictory
because of their because their views on
there and how they go about their
business wouldn't conform to what a
genuine flat earther would understand
their reality to be for example it's not
a large disc going up upwards in outer
space the thing about the flatter
societies they still think that outer
space is real and so it's just like
we're just an island and what how how
gravity is created is the island is
moving up at a particular speed to give
us the phenomenon that we call gravity
that's what they ten thats what that's
an example that they would give a person
and so you know you might be able to get
some worthwhile information from there
but i wouldn't marry myself to that
website or anything are the people
involved in it i would try to venture
out where
this is just the bone like a space just
there like I don't like an image like
what are we looking at it's been known
to be called the firmament yeah so in
Genesis 1 it talks about a firmament for
example how he's how God separated the
waters from the waters
and just hypothetically you know this
isn't anything I can prove but the
reason why the sky is blue is because
it's water and the luminaries are inside
the firmament the Sun the moon and the
stars and the lights that we see in the
sky those all revolve around us and so
the Sun gives us time of day right the
moon gives us time a month right gives
us 28 days is this typical cycle of the
moon and the stars give us the
navigational part about where we live on
earth and so there's an explanation to
those but then mainstream science won't
go as far as to say that we're our Dino
centric environment where heliocentric
so we revolve around the Sun
are they all in on it and they all know
or are they suppressing there's a lot of
compartmentalization that goes on in
that level of security if you will maybe
a lot of done non-disclosure agreements
that get passed around and
compartmentalization you know and so
over a period of time a person is a
person an entity develops trust with an
individual and over that period of time
an entity like NASA for example or
secret societies develop trust with that
individual to know whether or not that
are trustworthy with the information
that is given to them on a small scale
testing so yeah and so if over twenty
thirty forty years people expect to work
right people expect to work 40 50 years
here on earth right and retire in their
50s and 60s right so there's no there's
there's no rush you know what I mean
like there's no hurry
to get all the information that you need
and a lot of it I like I said is
compartmentalization so you know with
this battery pack I have you know
there's there's a there's an LED light
in it but if you made the LED light how
do you know what's going to this
specific thing you know you don't know
that I mean so I mean yeah there there
is there is probably a lot of people who
do know no you don't know the no but
really with the moon-landing probably
maybe a hundred people who really knew
what was going on because obviously the
astronauts had to know right camera man
so some people have to know but they're
bound to secrecy and once they get up to
that point they've taken oaths
you know or non-disclosure agreements
and their family and friends are
threatened if they don't if they don't
keep their mouth shut
over a particular time sound like
confession
come out this huge like yeah I mean
that's yeah I mean that's probably part
of dying I've never you know you and I
have never been there right but I mean
there might be some skeletons in your
closet that you want to share and just
get off your check you guilt
I mean yeah definitely and and yeah you
do want to take into account a lot of
that know is that circumstantial yeah
you know but put it in here a little you
know folder if you will and keep it in
mind
you know don't marry it you're not the
marry it or anything but you can just
say it is a possibility because one
thing that I try to encourage people not
to do is you and I would probably
consider ourselves to be somewhat moral
people
I mean you once you wouldn't like try to
distract me and steal one of my pens
right even though it's free you wouldn't
like try to manipulate a situation where
you could steal something from it right
so you have somewhat moral code right
but unfortunately the people who do I
run this reality in which we live and
are in power they have their they have a
sense about them that that's all they do
is lie so they don't know what it's like
to not be a deceptive person and so to
put your own personal moral code on the
people that you see on TV is totally
subjective because you don't know what
both they've signed you don't know what
they've written in blood how they were
raised
sacrifice that they've done human
sacrifice yeah
yeah you ever seen the movie is a long
time ago but it's called the skulls the
skulls yeah it's a movie it's got you
know I don't even know who's in it but
it's basically a fraternity sacred
Society type of thing it's a fascinating
movie to see if you were to watch it you
could and if you were to have some if
you were to have some history about
looking into secret societies you could
see a lot of similar things going on and
and the they do use movies as a means to
project either a what they're doing be
what they're going to do or see what
they have been doing you know I mean and
it's called predictive programming I
mean 15 20 years before those Twin
Towers collapsed in their own footprint
mind you there were cartoons movies and
so on and so on that just showed the
Twin Towers exploding and being brought
to the ground ready you know the x-files
for example you know the lone gunman the
three guys that Mulder kind of talked to
you the guy with the blond hair the
glasses and the other two guys yeah sure
but it's called they came out with their
own show called the lone gunman and I
think eight months before 9/11 happened
their pilot episode of the lone gunman
talked about remotely flying an airplane
into the Twin Towers
yeah and at the time nobody went over to
think twice right yeah it's just the
show just it's TV it's fantasy that's
what everybody here thinks is TV and
movies are just fantasy based on fiction
yeah it can't be real but then when you
talk about outer space right then it
just all of a sudden becomes real right
because of what NASA and Hollywood have
been able to do over a period of time
particularly when we were younger right
yeah it's fun you know and and I have a
lot of passion for people and just
giving them the other side of the story
I guess because a lot of a lot of people
think that we do live on a heliocentric
model you know where this this earth is
spinning and I ask people who believe in
this model they don't know the
circumference of it they don't know how
fast it's spinning they don't know the
radius of it right they don't know
anything about it but when they were
seven years old they were taught it you
know so and that's just that's
indoctrination and repeating something
over and over again becomes mind mind
control you know and for me to come out
here and challenge a person's reality I
can openly admit yes I am gaslighting
every single person here right I am I am
making you challenge your reality
like a disclosure to Flat Earth or
aliens yeah you know I mean what are if
I'm Braun if I'm not mistaken on his
deathbed confession for example said
that the final endgame will be a fake
alien invasion you know so I encourage
you to look into Project Blue Beam and
Holograms city and yeah Project Blue
Beam the skulls yeah and you can just go
onto my youtube channel and watch this
later I'll put the links in the
description yeah but it won't be until
tomorrow morning when it'll get uploaded
because it just takes a while for videos
to get uploaded onto YouTube but yeah
it's just it's frustrating that people
are so closed-minded I guess but it's
not surprising you know and so I have to
be patient with people okay some people
like yourself I can be more patient with
and have an open conversation others I
get I just have to end it you know and
we live right well and the fortunate
thing is is that we live in an age of
technology so you have an opportunity to
investigate anything and everything that
you possibly wanting or that you're
introduced to then you can look into it
on your own time and then once you found
out find out you know your worldview and
then base it on what the evidence is
that you're seeing for example about
Flat Earth and you can have a better
understanding about both sides of of
where you live and really flat earth
just makes more sense after you kind of
just humble yourself and put the Eagle
aside and yeah you'd be a little bit
more open to it now yeah yeah
whether it like I said it's important to
you or not enough to go down to the
state capital for example and try to
change legislation in our educational
system that's now for everybody that's
for me you know but it's no different
than no that's not anything - no it's
ridiculous right now okay
yeah yeah yeah what's your name in well
you're good yes hey Mason
okay good to meet you man come by yeah
say hi leave a message give me some
thumbs up man yeah I appreciate that
Mason yeah thanks for your support mom
have a good walk out there it's funny
until you talk about it right now you
got a good bead on everything you have a
good bead on everything you have a good
bead on life yes
anything new presented to your reality
is considered or null
right what about Flat Earth
sorry no huh then I encourage you to
prove to yourself that you live on this
ball in outer space that you most likely
don't know how fast it's spinning off
the top of your head right now or the
circumference of it and so you believe
in something that you know nothing about
its identity it can be in what regard
that you can test how can you test the
gold
that doesn't prove the ferocity of the
earth sir no it doesn't what's a Celina
lion
what's a Celina lion yep yeah right it's
a phenomenon that scientists can't
explain I'm just saying you notice an
interesting phenomenon that anchors you
I have a I know what they tell us it is
know hey you're not a very open-minded
sir so yeah I'm gonna shut it down you
have no idea where you live what the
circumference of the earth is and an
eclipse is don't prove the severity of
the earth okay hey what's up man I deal
with you all the time man idea what the
I deal with your spirit all the time I
could I don't there's nothing I could I
have a card right here and I have over
sick you don't deserve to know sir no no
in your own time in your own time yep
you'll figure it out but the NRS platter
mm-hm
no I pooped before I came here thanks
what's up man yeah
okay so a spherical earth what explained
the moon and itself and its stages right
no have you ever looked at the moon it
wouldn't prove it
why not because the the celestial bodies
in the sky don't prove us the sphericity
of the earth I thought about it I
appreciate it you're probably much
better than the thing army guy
anything that you see no no not
everything
Oh in what regards do you think that the
the moon is the moon's light is
reflective of the Sun yes okay the
moon's light is refracted and reflective
of the Sun it's basic physics right
everything you see either absorbs or
reflects light can you pay with that to
an extent yeah okay you should basically
when you see the moon it is just like
you know out of the Sun know what's up
so you're saying that the moon has its
own light
yes
okay but can you explain the different
stages of the moon you have the half I
need you to explain it and then I'll try
to what is the typical mainstream
explanation of any in the moon phases
okay right here imagine the moon is over
here the moon revolves around the earth
okay well Korean that nope nope nope
okay well because I don't believe in the
heliocentric model I don't think that
this is out solder in outer space
floating and the moon is in the sense
that you think it is no the sense that I
think that we live on a geostationary
environment where the Sun and the moon
revolve around us okay yeah I'll show
you my view sure and you try to prove
your view I'll just I'll give you a
different viewpoint about that I don't
know I can't prove anything to you right
now all right so basically the moon to
me is a spherical object okay okay it
revolves around the earth okay and the
Sun shines on both the earth in the moon
so have you ever wondered the different
stages of the Moon I did at one point
yes but now I have a good idea of
whether why sometimes you see
and that is why you see some kerb on the
moon because the earth is brought in the
moon okay
is that like making sense at all not at
all no how do you explain you explain a
half moon then it depends on the angle
and on the trajectory of the earth and
the moon okay that's I mean like let me
be fair I did drop out of physics hey
it's already but basically what I do
have understood is that the moon
revolves around the earth and the
different shadows that you see on the
moon during the month is basically the
earth block in part of the moon and the
part of the moon you could see is a part
of the moon that is being reflected upon
from the Sun okay so I want to know what
is your theory to write the moon is some
occurred in some stages okay well let's
just be frank here okay and then you can
be who what's your name Jorge Jorge
okay I'll be frank that's not
mainstream's explanation of the moon
phases okay the mainstream explanation
of moon phases is that it's at the
particular perspective of the Sun to the
moon and the earth has nothing to do
with it okay so you're you've already
admitted that your understanding of the
moon phases is wrong and so what else do
you have okay
it's not a fact man that's mainstream
have you ever that's mainstream okay
epilogue it is right in the equator
uh-huh
do you believe in equator all like the
middle the earth like the line that
divides the earth into north and south
do I believe in it yeah like there's a
line that divides north and south like
there's a line there has to be a middle
there has to be right there has to be
why does there have to be why there has
to be yep mm-hmm well I mean I'm a math
major okay well you just told me you
just told me that the moon phases were
one thing when mainstream science tells
you that they're not at all like that
well basically if you think about it
there has to be a middle or something
okay well there if there has already two
ends then there has to be a middle or
something okay like maybe it's hard to
calculate that exact middle but there
are two definitive ends ooh
then, a sphere doesn't have an end
okay no can I show you what lead can I
show you what the equator looks like on
a flat earth it looks like this that's
the that's the point right there and the
Sun just goes in a circle around the
northland around the North Pole and as
it gets to be more summer that's when
you see the Sun above us like this and
in Minnesota as it becomes more winter
out you'll see the Sun and a more
southern part right and so that means
that the Sun is possibly revolving
towards the outer ring which may or may
not be Antarctica in the ice wall so
what's your thing about it all right all
right so did you know about gravity no
I'm familiar with that yeah what is it
gravity is basically the shoot-down
picture yeah if you drop that water
right now gravity will take it down
gravity will yes okay
so basically what it is there is a
portal network where gravity is lighter
then then the rest of the earth that's
amazing
yes and why yes was the earth because
that exact point is right at the equator
Wow it is right on the equator which
means and the earth is spinning correct
correct
okay what's the earth spinning at you
happen to know what the earth spin
on scenic kilometers your whole hey did
you ever play baseball
yes okay you're old for two right now so
you're about to strike out the earth
spins at about a thousand miles an hour
a thousand miles yeah not even close to
a hundred thousand miles so you got the
moon phases wrong you got your own globe
earth model graven image wrong you got
one more out bud
all right then you explain to me all
right
you're at the ocean you're the shore of
an ocean right you see a boat
yes and it is going directly it is going
straight yes at one point the pole will
disappear at what point now how far does
the boat have to be away at the point at
which all right you may not see the
curve correct I'm asking you a question
I mean if the boats going over the sack
miles away Oh horn anywhere it will
reach the point the count is 1 in 1
right now
you got a ball in a strike I mean you're
doing ok boss ok
keep it going ok so basically it is
curved how do you know that I'm just
asking you at what point at what
distance does the boat go over the curve
I don't know the exact they don't but it
just happens but it just happens right
Oh what what would be your theory try
the full-width disappear at a certain
distance after like you know a good
amount of time like this the pool
doesn't disappear actually if you were
to grab a high-powered zoom lens on a
camera okay or a telescope you'll
actually be able to bring that off
back into focus and it didn't go
anywhere it's just common refraction
that happens when the water acts like a
mirror which it does and then it's the
horizon of the sky and water meeting
together that's called the perspective
so most people in the horizon the quote
horizon it's about four miles is where
the quote boat will end up going over
the court horizon and the curve but it's
not you could just bring that object
back into focus for hey there's no curve
there's no there's never been measurable
curve you don't live on a ball in outer
space even lied to and clearly highly
indoctrinated and even in things that
you don't even know one thing what is
your counter to the fact that the Earth
spins around the earth like it's
spinning
what is your counter to the earth isn't
spinning it's a moveable it's fixed you
think that the earth is fixed I'm pretty
sure yeah what are they worth to that do
you feel a spinning nose well not like
you know I just want to like verse I
just want to be respected yeah I know
you're you keep saying respectful which
sounds like you're making sure I don't
take it as an insult and your higher
intelligence than I am oh it's like when
when it comes to
it gets real horny it really doesn't
because I'll tell you this much we're
not spinning I don't feel as spinning
this guy right here he doesn't see
himself feel himself spinning and so get
in the car that is born at a consistent
speed surely you will feel like you will
feel the velocity at first but once the
speed becomes consistent like I had to
take a picture of me walking running
away run away don't talk about it just
run away honestly that's about to happen
I know dude I've been doing this isn't
my first rodeo
yeah alright posting on YouTube yep
alright my youtube channel right there
but it's alright so you can watch it and
make sure you take a red pill - I'd love
for you to just wake up and you
challenge yourself in this matrix that
you live in well yeah if we live on a
fixed immobilize you would feel that
you're driving at 60 miles an hour you
work yes just like a convertible you
live in an enclosed system or a okay
water is level and you can see for vast
distances with the proper technology
just like they use periscopes and
submarine missiles missiles from ground
to air they don't account for the
Coriolis effect or hey cuz the earth
isn't spinning you can't have it both
ways you can't account for the Coriolis
effect with snipers and then not account
for it when airplanes take off and land
neither can you do it for helicopters at
50,000 feet in the air and just wait for
the earth to move and then I'm at my
destination
you've been lied to man I know it sucks
you know to know that you've been
deceived and you you don't even have a
proper understanding of your own
heliocentric model so then I investigate
I challenge you okay to go home
understand where you live okay do you
know the circumference of this graven
image they honestly thought each of the
circumference that's the bad thing about
the education okay well I'll teach you
it's twenty four thousand nine hundred
one mile in circumference okay that's
how they tell us it's a sphere and I
have a wonderful and I'd encourage you
to either take a picture of this or look
it up on your own time that is the
equation eight inches per mile squared
okay that gives you the curvature
calculation where when you're seeing an
object off into the distance like a boat
for example you can get a phone tap and
you can actually see where barges like
you know big barge ships in the ocean
how far they are away and then as you
watch them travel further away from you
you'll be able to see how tall that ship
is and where it is on the earth so that
then you can get a proper understanding
that if that boat is 50 miles away
there should be seventeen hundred feet
of curvature so the you shouldn't be
able to see that boat anymore but you
still do
there's no curve man I honestly do
believe there's you can believe it all
you want it's not going to make it true
what about outer space you believe that
we can land on the moon we did we did
not okay how old are you hoary I'm
nineteen nineteen you are fresh they're
out of school man you have so much
learning to do it man I can show you
more evidence to prove that we didn't so
you think I know fake okay NASA faked
the moon name yes sir
what is your evidence harnesses
intersecting shadows one part is dark in
the shadow and another part is lit in
the shadow the size of the earth is the
same size as the moon from our
perspective here on earth when the earth
on the moon should be significantly
larger like it should be massive okay
they lost all the trajectory data all
the original footage of the moon landing
okay and nASA has admitted themselves
that they have never been past the Van
Allen belts do you know what the Van
Allen belt is it's the supposed alleged
radiation belt of up to 1200 miles above
us and then in between that in the moon
it's thousands of miles of radiation how
do you get through that type of
radiation you can't you know so even if
your alleged moon landing was real
there's the Van Allen radiation belt you
can't even get through it they've
admitted that they can't get out of
little low Earth orbit nASA has admitted
this man you know so until until you're
able to drop the ego your education and
and mainstream knowledge about where you
live as a human being it's gonna be very
difficult for you to have an open mind
to Flat Earth
just give me a second do your thing then
yeah
did you got you want to grab that DVD
man I'd totally encourage you to it's
gonna be deep layers well it's actually
for a computer
it's got files on it it's got 20
it's got oh it's got for almost four and
a half gigs of information to help lead
you to the what I feel is the right
information for Flat Earth and you're
gonna put it down so I mean like I'm not
gonna have all of this it's free dude
but for you that's why I bring it so
that I can then hand it out to people so
if you refuse to take you know
information that could at least give you
both sides of the story
that's a bit dogmatic isn't now you're
kind of afraid that you're wrong let me
just be fair
okay I'll be Franks don't ya okay I'll
be frank
right on I really didn't pay as much
attention inside pretty sure we can
explain sure so so you're pretty so this
is like a Christian saying you know I
didn't really pay attention in Sunday
school but pretty sure that God exists
and the Catholic Church is right are you
assuming them Catholic I'm just saying
you know just uh just speaking
off-the-cuff man you didn't pay
attention to science class man you just
admitted that you have no idea where you
really live but you believe it when you
haven't experienced things on your own
personal in your own personal life to
help you see both sides of the story and
that's what I'm doing here I'm
challenging the narrative man I'm
presenting an alternative viewpoint
because you've never seen the Earth from
that perspective you're seeing it now
with your own eyes my thinking is
however alright earth is flat it's this
it's this like your map right over here
those are all the models I don't hide
anything I just present everything okay
which one of these earth models think
believe is real I don't know I've never
seen any of them but Jorge I can give
you an idea the AE map on the bottom has
some pretty good evidences the pac-man
model okay that guy right there that
comes from Ecclesiastes 1:5 so you see
the little pac-man I made the pac-man
into a Sun it's pretty funny huh
so then what it does is it just goes
across and every day you get a new Sun
it actually goes back to where it rose
and it just keeps going now you want to
call that portals you want to call that
a manifestation of the Sun somehow I
don't know but that's an idea out in
Flat Earth another idea is this the
earth pond so we're an enclosed system
right here that we can't get out of
because of a giant ice wall well let's
say that we got out and we just went
south 50,000 miles we had all the
resources that we needed water food men
women and then we just traveled on the
ground for 50,000 miles you know could
we find another earth like an encasement
like we have here now maybe well my
friend China okay
to get to China when he first got there
he first went traveling to Europe okay
then he traveled to China uh-huh so he
went from here Minnesota and he landed
somewhere in France hunted there for a
while and then he went to China now he's
coming back to China and one way
we want to come back to Minnesota coming
back to Minnesota alright thank you for
that so he's coming back to Minnesota
directly from China one-way flight to
the United States yep
so on a Flat Earth theory how can you
explain the key way that he's going to
go well he went from the United States
to Europe and to China and now there and
now he's coming back to the United
States gosh he stumped me all right
have you ever looked into flight paths
and so on yep so here's the typical AE
map okay here's the United States and
here's China just flies straight across
it's really us it's really not that
difficult so you can take a look you
walk straight across are you saying yeah
why not
I mean just for people to say the earth
is a ball because we circumnavigated the
earth that doesn't prove anything
because I can circumnavigate this and
I'm just walking around my neighborhood
you know so you're not for the sky
circumnavigating the earth and all these
other strongmen don't prove a sphere you
need to look into the idea of flight
paths on a globe earth and how they make
more sense on a flat earth map
and then kind of go from there you know
I'm just here to provoke thought I can't
convince you I don't expect to but what
I am here to do is six months maybe even
a year from now Jorge flat earth might
be of interest to you and then you'll
remember our conversation and then
you'll have a fire under your ass to be
able to look at this stuff you know it
concern yours Brett yep
please what gravity gravity gravity is
that you what is exactly what I think
it's a redheaded sense the fact that
whenever you jump you've got the right
get back down yep what explains the fact
that there's some force coming like you
know bringing you back down it's called
density density yeah it's just you
weighing more than the air around you so
then you're gonna fall to the ground a
helium balloon is then therefore
anti-gravity then right because it's an
in contained environment like a balloon
for example and then it can travel up
right how does a butterfly work how do
birds work you know gravity doesn't
explain the sphericity of a ball because
that no height can you see water conform
to the exterior of the sphere no it
doesn't then if you think about it well
I have thought about it see bringing you
keep saying them it's bringing you down
to a center you know son I've learned it
in mathematic you can learn all you want
man it's not true gravity brings it down
to the center in order to bring it down
to the center and needs to have
doesn't really eat anything oh it
doesn't because from here I'll bring it
down to the center of the sphere so in
Australia there's out to the center
sphere in Australia there's people
upside down no oh they're not they're
not it's yeah they're upside down so so
meanwhile yeah so meanwhile on uh planes
are flying upside down gravity is coming
from the center of the earth so it's
actually putting you back in what is the
center of the earth do you know it's
like a giant it's it do you know what a
Gobstopper is you really you should
check it out job Scott typing Gobstopper
they've given you the idea that the
earth is a Gobstopper with a center core
in the middle right how far have human
beings drilled to this quote center core
pretty floor okay how far I don't know
the detail to that - okay well why don't
you I know Russia's got it pretty close
though okay how far I don't know I read
an article somewhere that Russia is
pretty like you know
then like a thousand not even close
alright nine miles so tell me this Jorge
you're from Ecuador yes correct okay
how far is Ecuador from Minneapolis do
you know just off the top of your head
do you think maybe 5,000 miles 6,000
miles maybe something like that okay so
just for argument's sake the earth
diameter is 8,000 miles so the radius
the center of the core of the earth they
tell us is about 4,000 miles okay so
from Minnesota to Ecuador without
getting any information about the what
the weather is if you just walked nine
miles do you think you'd have a pretty
good understanding of what Ecuador's
weather is like how it is you know at
the moment it's evening you're not
following me here okay if you were to
drill nine miles into the ground how do
you know what the center of the earth is
three thousand nine hundred and ninety
two miles away they didn't do anything
man you're lying to yourself you're
assuming that people smarter than you
did something to solve the answer hey
you know I just think there's went to
school longer than me so they gotta know
they don't know crap for hey wake up man
seriously you can believe all you want
man they're not gonna know what the
center of the earth is after drilling
nine miles be real man so can you
explain all right probably not I can
give you a pretty good hypothesis an
opinion
someone's walking behind me alright what
something explain the Sun to me again in
this model or whichever model you see
well the earth the Sun is a local Sun
it's not how do you know how far away
the Sun is from the earth they tell us
the main stream come on Jorge I know you
just need some mainstream yeah yeah I
know I know I know you didn't pay much
attention but you got to know how far
the Sun and the moon are away from the
earth right see the Sun is a good or a
you've got two outs bud I think you got
a full column me you got a full count
you tell me no it's all you man this is
your model this is you you you're
supposed to do you believe in this yes I
do pray Venus but you don't know
anything about it well I don't know the
specific numbers to it because I was at
second bridge right so in second grade
you just believe everything now how far
is the Earth from the Sun
one point five one seven to the yeah 93
million miles yeah yeah yeah 94 the
exact yeah so the earth well you know
it's funny because the Sun is traveling
this the Sun is further away now at 94
million miles but it's hotter and then
when it's wintertime out the Sun is
closer how does that even make any sense
how did they trick your mind and my mind
into thinking that when the Sun is
further away it's warmer or you know and
when it's closer it's colder yeah which
you don't know angles because we're we
don't want to talk about moon phases
again do we you got moon phases wrong
you thought it was the earth causing the
shadow when it's not it's perspective
it's not it's perspective I just Co
explained the shadow my man I just I
have the definition of moon phases right
here and you can punch it in yourself
the moon the moon phases are caused by
your perspective of being on earth and
seeing the sun shining it's quote light
on the moon has nothing to do with the
earth not only do I not believe it you
believe that the earth causes the phases
of the Moon and that's wrong even even
mainstream science would tell you that
you're wrong you would get a wrong
answer on your test
your answers wrong or a solace on your
to your perspective how do you explain
the shadows like I know I've never been
there before own mine yes it does what
elements does the moon have that gives
it its life a lot of people think it's
some kind of a crystalline light in the
sky radio electromagnetic if you will I
got sunburned when I was here on
Saturday by the Sun if I stand next to a
campfire I'm not going to get sunburned
so how is it that there's a ball of
flaming fire 93 million miles away from
us
causing heatstroke that's UV light okay
so you're almost on point okay but they
tell us that the Sun is a fireball in
outer space okay and it's in a vacuum
now if you'd like a campfire and then
you have an object big enough like a
cylinder to put over that campfire is
the campfire are gonna be extinguished
or when you live lift it back up will
the campfires still be lit campfire will
be extinguished because it absorbed all
the oxygen inside the cylinder right
okay so the what you think the Sun is is
completely off base and not true it's an
electromagnetic light also and it gives
Heat correct and it causes plants and
various other things to grow because
they're able to utilize the sun's energy
in the moon okay so the moon has its own
light and there have been tests to show
that the moon is cold light
whereas if you're in the shade of the
full moon you'll actually be warmer than
if you were to stand out in the full
moon light gotta look into this stuff
man I'm giving you both sides of the
story
and so with the Sun being 93 million
miles away that is incorrect it's a
local Sun I don't know how far away it
is at all we could give we could say
it's 93 miles away and be sure my son is
wrong but you don't know the exact
details of your son either yeah I can
admit that though okay yeah you can't
but like can you physically test the
distance between the Sun I'm sure it has
been but that information probably won't
be released to us you know they want you
to think you live on a ball in outer
space and the Sun your revolving around
the Sun that's called the heliocentric
model that's a religion if you've never
looked at it it's Helios it's from
Helios yes by Catholics themselves yeah
so yeah so you're being lied to by ill
insurance and with also Catholics that
believe that the earth was flat at first
it may or may not have been I don't know
I wasn't there and I don't trust the
Catholic Church in any way just explain
this
flat earth right there just explain this
all son in this pac-man model
yeah so this is an idea I'm not married
to it okay okay but you know
Ecclesiastes 1:5 says that the Sun rises
and sets and then hurries back to where
it rose again so basically the idea is
is that this is the Mercator map okay
you know with them okay this is the
McCotter map and so what the Sun is
doing is it's just going across and then
somehow really Monnet ting or being born
again if you will oh yeah do your thing
then hmm challenging conversation with
this young man and it's funny this
brings me to my point of the video that
I proposed a couple of months ago when
the Sun and the moon were up at the same
time and I presented this information
that the earth does not cause the phases
of the Moon and I got flamed by other
flat-earthers
you know so clearly that is a common
idea like the the earth causes the moon
phases
yeah yeah do your thing man
just say no explain the whole yeah so I
mean the Sun would just traverse across
the earth and then at some point I don't
know where and I've seen evidences
showing that the Sun is out at two
different spots you know kind of like
two suns in a way but at what it's doing
is it's manifesting itself over here on
the east and then it just goes back
across again so in theory every day is a
new Sun and then it just goes goes down
towards this equator as the the year
continues okay and then there's the ae
projection map which is also a local Sun
and it just goes in circumnavigates
around like a pizza around the North
Pole so what this theory eats the Sun
revolves around the earth not the earth
not the earth yes do you know what
that's called
it's not heliocentric nope starts with a
G geocentric area don't yep and that is
actually described in the Bible yep it's
a geocentric immovable earth okay so
what exactly so like you know for me hmm
I don't know how the Sun gets from one
point to the other point like how does
the song go exactly from here and then
come back over here I don't know man
that's it's it's uh it's like a
head-scratcher for me too
to be honest with you there's people and
that are flat earthers who understand we
don't live on this you know graven image
here but they're trying to explore
various ways of how the Sun does move
across the earth and I'm just presenting
all the models to everybody so that then
you can walk away with a genuine flat
earthers opinion instead of what
mainstream media likes to mock and
ridicule us for yes no not necessarily
because waters flat in a container when
water is not being moved around by an
exterior force it lays flat
does it not hmm yes okay so without wind
you know causing a hurricane to make
water curved right I get that all the
time I get up some of you sending me a
wave and saying see water curves it's
like come on you know you're not going
to be able to disprove how water works
in this reality other than trying to go
to the gravity Road okay so when gravity
is brought into the conversation that's
where they manipulated your minds into
thinking that water can conform to the
exterior of the ball and not go anywhere
while it's spinning at a thousand miles
an hour while the earth is spinning
around the Sun at 66,000 miles an hour
and while the Sun is moving forward at
almost a half a billion miles an hour
okay so with the Sun one thing what
about the moon in this pacman ooh miss
pac-man theater won't work this a
million come and play because we've seen
the moon yep we see the moon oh I'm sure
it's explained yeah but I just put the
Sun there's because people gravitate
right gravitate did you like that I mean
that's funny right yeah okay
so people gravitate more to house
seasons work and the moon doesn't
necessarily cause the seasons right you
know they claim that it causes the tides
low tides and high tides right but
that's because it's saltwater you're
gonna find that typically with saltwater
and not necessarily freshwater and so
the Sun is more you know of a
conversation piece than the moon but
then when you get into the Eclipse and
stuff I have to backtrack and say well
the eclipses and the spinning of the
stars you know when you get the when you
get that caption of the North Pole and
all the stars are moving around it have
you ever seen that picture before right
that doesn't prove acity of the earth
either you do yes yes they spin for us
as directional pieces and they're
luminaries in the sky and wandering
stars are called planets like Mars and
Jupiter and so on alright but that
doesn't prove that the earth is a sphere
just proves that there's lights on the
sky
so to you what is the shape of what is
it
it looks like a disk to me okay I don't
think have you ever like had a telescope
or anything yeah I've looked at the
various yep things yeah entities up
there and kind of yeah and they don't
look like Spears the only time that they
ever look like Spears is when you go on
google and type in Jupiter no yeah
exactly so you have to trust an exterior
source to give you your image of outer
space also if you look like at a three
dimensional object straight or look two
dimensional if you're pretty far enough
and you look at a three dimensional
object straight it will look
two-dimensional okay
so that's probably or see this bruise
you're now looking at like the whole
thing you're just looking there like you
know it makes it look like this thing's
3d object
are you familiar with what Stockholm
Syndrome is Hori
explain Stockholm Syndrome is the debt
is coming to a defensive mechanism due
to psychology yeah you're defending the
very people that are lying to you you're
just you're just you're just
regurgitating stuff man if you cannot
prove the different Sciences other than
like this is the only thing that you
think you know what about his son what
about the moon what about the other
constellations can you explain the
sciences of why they act like they do
can you explain why gravity always puts
every pulls everything down can you
explain that sort of stuff
can you explain it without NASA or
Hollywood horray
well I'm not saying I'm asking you a
question man so you can't so what you're
doing is you're taking somebody else's
word right to give you your ideas of a
place that you'll never go to right am I
correct on that if I had the money well
you don't know probably in like you know
studied and studied and studied so if
you're more and more indoctrinated into
this belief system and then join a
secret society which you have to join
are you willing to join a secret society
and do Oats and sign non-disclosure
agreements okay then you're not gonna go
anywhere up in space so so
how many people have even gone to outer
space do you even know first day with
the Russians no I mean total like total
how many people have gone let's say
twelve people from the United States
landed on the moon and then we've had
the first three Russians orbiting around
the earth so how many people have gone
to space I'd say it took between 17 and
25 not even close man how many about 600
600 people have gone to space yes cuz
you're not accounting for the quote ISS
okay yep yep yeah
so can you explain why they're not in
outer space then why they're having
khawater space
I mean I can man but I mean I just don't
know what you're trying to get from me
right now at this point I'm just sitting
here man you came up to me you know so I
mean you're not gonna convince me that's
the thing is I've been in this for three
years I'm clearly committed to this I
understand understanding that the earth
is a not a ball in outer space and that
it is an a movable fixed plane with
level water all over it so for you to
think that you can even conjure up the
idea to convince me that we live on a
ball in outer space is poppycock
everything else why does everything else
move why why why why why why why why why
why why why can you explain why I'm not
I'm kind of tired of explaining Jorge
really to be honest with you I have a
DVD here I have a youtube channel we've
been talking for almost an hour sure you
know so like I'm I'm a bit my batteries
actually gonna die I'm a bit exhausted
you are 19 years old so really all the
other things I can do is give you
evidence here DVD just to kind of help
you along your way
but you refuse to take that you want to
stand firm and what you think you know
about where you live at 19 mind you I'm
almost 20 years older than you and I'm
not saying that makes me better than you
but what I am saying is that I have more
life experience to challenge and see
deceptive nature and honesty
and what you believe in is deceptive and
so I would encourage you with all due
respect man to look into Flat Earth just
to debunk it just say this this guy out
here Joshua who's talking all this mess
about Flat Earth I'm gonna be bunk it
I'm here for the next three months here
at Lake Calhoun the you Twins games and
south of you
yeah I set up stuff seeing somebody what
it's probably something yeah darker skin
guy kind of an admiral yeah yep yep his
name is John John yep okay I do so
that's all I can leave you with man I
just support you yes
so he'll support have you seen magma
with your own physical eyes have you
seen lava with your own physical eyes
have you seen okay so I'm just saying
I'm just saying what I'm presenting is
that a lot of people believe what they
see on TV and believe what they were
taught at seven years old and now you
think you live here and you haven't even
thought to think that you might have
been lied to
okay do you know okay so do you with you
being living on this graven image that
you've never seen from that perspective
in outer space right okay
so how do you even know this is real
okay the radius of this Idol is 4,000
miles so it takes 4,000 miles or so to
get to the center of the earth and how
many licks does it take do you know
it's kind of a joke but so nine miles is
how far human beings have drilled into
the earth okay so that leaves three
hundred and three thousand nine hundred
and ninety two miles of we don't know
what's going on so how do you know that
the earth is a Gobstopper I mean let's
be real here right it's what it looks
like it looks like a Gobstopper come on
okay hi you too but they don't give you
a proper idea of where you live
neither does a center core because
you've never been there nobody's ever
been there they can tell just like I
told worried you believe what somebody
else did because you think they're
smarter than you and so they obviously
have an answer you just haven't looked
for it look for it I have there is no
center core so water that's how you know
you live on a level motionless plane is
water in a container always seeks its
level okay so at what height do you have
to be to see water conforming to the
exterior of a ball and don't say gravity
okay because that's that's brainwashing
okay gravity is nomen plate gravity is
nomenclature for the phenomenon of why
things fall to the ground and it's
really just bland seeing density okay
yeah yeah it's that simple
it's really that simple it really is but
I mean when you know you trust things
that you know you trust Authority you
trust when you were seven years old
that Santa Claus is real right your
whole your whole family conspired
against you right until you wear what
nine ten eleven years old and then if
you were the kid that still believed in
Santa Claus you were made fun of right
even Santa Claus but you know it's a
tradition and I'm getting this tradition
of where we're supposedly living out of
people's heads and at least giving you
the opportunity to look at the other
side of the story well we are we are a
culture of people well I mean we have
our own music and yeah definitely yeah
go to what Bo B's kind of yeah there's
better music out there than that yeah I
have a DVD here for you it'll start you
off on the right track and but I do like
numbers and math are you math type of
person well I showed you this already
okay but let me just kind of plant a
seed do you happen to know what the
circumference of this is bleep but you
believe that you live here right okay so
if I was dating you after a year and a
half and I didn't know your birth date
you think you and I would have a
conversation no if I if I just let our
Bert your birthday pass and I didn't
give you a present and we were dating
you know I'm saying so this is twenty
four thousand nine hundred to one mile
in circumference that is your math to
prove to you or not that you live on a
sphere and from shoreline to shoreline
of over fifty miles of water okay you
can still see a skyline 50 miles away
where if you look what 50 miles is is
almost 1700 feet of curvature you
shouldn't be able to see the smaller
buildings let alone the top of the
Willis Tower because of the curvature of
the earth this is a very challenging
idea and I encourage I'm just here to
plant a seed I'm not here to you know
argue or you can I get people rowdy you
know but you don't live here yeah can
you go on your weather app and see the
distance of mileage that you're
typically seeing ten miles okay okay and
so there's atmosphere there's buildings
there's refraction so
I mean that's that's a strawman argument
man you're not gonna get anywhere with
that
that's like saying why can't I see Paris
from New York it's just like your eyes
can't see forever you can only see the
horizon up to about four miles and then
things start then the sky meets the
ground and that's called the horizon and
that's where you get your refraction and
stuff it's just like you walking on this
path when the sun's out and it appears
that there's water in front of you but
then as you continue to walk there's no
water on the ground they've tricked your
mind they this is indoctrination to
think that you live here and I'm here to
at least shake the tree a little bit and
just say yeah so would you say that's
the idea of a sphere the sphere is a
conspiracy held by I mean when you're
talking about conspiracy that's the idea
of a small number of people having an
idea that it's the world so I mean
you're talking about not only NASA but
every every scientist I'm not talking
about it that I don't say everything I
didn't say everyone but I mean this
belief isn't
from society people who hold this idea I
mean I mean what's the motivation to
have people convinced that we live on
the stage yeah this is a this is a
prison planet okay
now usually okay just I'm gonna run out
of memory here and my phone is gonna die
but we can continue talking after my
phone dies but hmm
what I'm gonna start off by said I'll
answer your question okay what if all
five of us come up to a crime scene and
we see blood and the murder and the
death and the knife and so on and so on
is our first instinct to be like oh man
wonder what the motive is wonder wonder
why this person would do that
of course not you look at the evidence
to then provide you with the proper
motive and so everybody doesn't have to
be in it's compartmentalized
non-disclosure agreements and only a few
hundred people need to know about it
it's just like my you know my battery
here there's an LED light in it and
there's USB ports and there's an outer
casing and stuff do I know where this
LED light if I'm making these LED lights
do I know that it's gonna be put into
here and then sold on Amazon no I'm just
making LED lights you know so the less
you know the better because that's
responsibility that they have to hold
accountable to you because over decades
and decades when you get into that level
of security like NASA they can trust you
they can trust the information that's
giving that's given to you and if you
can't be trusted if you have a sense
about you through the tests whether it
be psychological tests or other various
tests that they give you that you're not
a trustful person you're not gonna get
to the point where you're on the movie
set baking the ISS
okay so this is a prison planet is there
any more land or water that we can find
here right so there's nothing more right
now what if the earth was like this
table and it was spread out infinitely
but you're just contained in this table
part right here with a wall in an edge
have you ever infinite plane outer space
is not real okay so this table isn't
floating in outer space what we see in
the sky is just lights in the sky I'm
just trying to explain okay why they
would lie to you okay
so cuz you know I'm just getting to that
point where it's like I'm almost done
talking so I'll just give you and all
the people out on YouTube like that
explanation but they would lie - have
you ever seen the movie The Village mmm
night Shyamalan's the village watch it I
guarantee you you'll see predictive
programming in it because what they're
doing is the elders are keeping the
people inside of their village by
scaring them by propagation okay so that
then eventually they get so old that
they never even think to venture out
right so why would you venture out if
you live here but they have them they
have what's called an Antarctic Treaty
which almost 60 countries have signed
since the 1940s which you can't go past
you know the 60 degree mark out here
whether this is a true model of the Flat
Earth or not you know I have all the
models there so that you can explore the
Flat Earth and what this is now visit
the poles all the time they do so you're
saying you're saying the treaty does not
I'm saying that Antarctica is highly
guarded and you and us as a group of
people won't end eventually individual
that's great to Antarctica yes okay and
then what was he part of he's part of a
turn
exactly you and I and all of us can't go
down there in our boat that we bought
and go down there do you see what I'm
saying we have to go through red tape to
go to Antarctica you understand what I'm
saying you can't just drive around to
Antarctica I'm sure it can be and you
keep talking about motive you haven't
looked at any evidence of why you
believe the earth is a ball or why they
are okay what's the circumference of
what's the spin of the earth well I mean
why do I know it in Genesis one talks
about a filament how God separated the
waters from the waters
okay correct okay why is the sky blue
okay so my opinion of why the sky is
blue is there's literally water above us
and there's a firmament holding the
water above us and that we've never been
to outer space NASA themselves admit
that they can't get past the Van Allen
belts you know what the Van Allen belt
is okay so I'm just I'm just saying it's
it's a it's a rate it's a radiation belt
about 1,200 miles up that we can't get
through that's why we're all in lower a
little bit right now
and NASA admit 600 by the admits low
Earth orbit
don't i disagree which is totally fine
suck people to describe yeah i just
curious what your passion in life is
like why do you care and likewise this
motivate you to talk to people about it
i don't like being lied to
not it i don't like you being lied to
and i want to at least give you an
opportunity to hear both sides of the
story so that you can have better
discernment of what a lie is and what
truth is and when you feel truth you
know it's true so okay how does how does
the earth big flat change the way that
you live isn't my testimony here enough
i mean apart from convincing no i mean i
mean seriously this is a serious
question you're asking me how does it
change my life i just spent four hours
here talking to various people that walk
by and i have over 600 hours of content
on my youtube channel this has changed
me immensely how does the chamber i
don't know
yeah i'm not you and you don't even
think that flat earth is a thing so i
can but it seems to me that if you
approach them and say to them this is
something that you should that you
should understand because it matters you
should have a reason why i don't i don't
have to have a reason why i could say
that all data atheists and say it's
important for you to trust in jesus
christ they don't give a rip about jesus
god or anything well i'm for so my
question i am too i do think that there
is a reason people
that's great okay well that's great and
you can have that dialogue with those
people all day have you I would say that
that control have you yes okay great
but it compels me to speak about that
right and this compels me to speak about
Flat Earth and how the Bible talks about
hundreds of verses that the earth is an
immovable stationary fixed plane not
spinning that this is a geocentric
environment not a heliocentric
environment so if you really want to
study the word and I encourage you to do
this type in Flat Earth Bible okay cuz I
had to do it three years ago yeah okay
when I found out about Flat Earth I had
no idea was mentioned in the Bible I
knew that this was true I knew that
water is level gravity is a farce and we
don't live here because water is level
in our reality
gravity is a nomenclature we make you
think that water can conform to the
exterior of a ball if you're far enough
away on a massive scale that's a lie
from the pit of hell
why do you think we stay on the on the
flank because we do that's all God
created it density and buoyancy I mean
it's that simple man it's really that
simple I understand what you're saying
but I know you understand it but I don't
think you'd idea this density and
gravity I'm not saying that you
necessary have to believe that but from
from my I did believe it don't that's
fair but from my perspective points one
point force has to do with gravity the
buoyant force on Mars is different of
course on Mars is unreal man
we've never landed on the moon we've
never been to Mars you know what
wandering stars are what why do we stay
on do you know what wandering stars are
those are planets and that's mentioned
in the Bible they're just wandering
lights in the sky they're not physical
objects that you can land a rover on and
then control it come on man you're a
bible village you're a crit you're a
Christ believer man and you believe that
I'm being very stir with you I
understand but
you and I have the same spirit and you
have to stop believing in what you were
taught as a young child and come up with
your own understanding of where you live
right now that's my channel I appreciate
it
what's your name Josh my name is Josh -
really yeah by Joshua one thing I would
say is that I think you're assuming that
I haven't investigated these things
actually for an hour last night I
watched flattered an hour not an hour
I'm not getting here I'm not kidding
I've been into this for three years man
and it took me a year to get to where
I'm at now my worst nightmare no I
understand what I'm saying is that I
think to assume that I've been lied to
and to assume that I haven't
investigated these things more people
we're not thinking about the season
Wendy plays actually does not not really
fair to my intellect okay can I can I
give you a scripture I think it's first
good
I think it's first Corinthians 4:4 hey
thanks for stopping I appreciate you
listening hey Lori take it easy man I
think it's um I think it's first
Corinthians 4:4
I just want to know if you would agree
with this or not
no it's yeah second second Corinthians
4:4 the god of this age has blinded the
minds of unbelievers so that they cannot
see the light of the gospel that
displays the glory of Christ who is the
image of God would you agree with that
that the god of this age lowered
lowercase God the god of this age has
blinded the minds of unbelievers so that
they cannot see the light of the gospel
that displays the glory of Christ who is
the image of God do you think that
non-believers like atheists and stuff
have given been given evidence by our
the powers that should not be to
disbelieve in in God yeah okay do you
think that evolution stems from such an
idea that we live on a ball 15 million
years ago it was created and nothing was
created on nothing and evolution
dinosaurs so on and so on well we talked
about the wisdom of this age and the
wisdom of God
right I think so this is where this is
where I would draw a distinction that I
think if it's paramount to what I
believe who the foolishness of this age
is not speaking about scientific
relations how do you know that okay yeah
so so from my perspective yeah the
things that truly matter in this world
yes I agree and I as much as I find this
argument I find I find that flooded
arguments a very compelling and the
thing I love about them is that a lot of
the phenomenon that I've experienced
from a from a from a spherical earth
perspective I think you have a pretty
interesting answers to now I don't find
it propelling enough to believe I don't
want you to know that's better because
I'm more encouraged that you're a
believer of Christ but you will be shown
truth so the truth the truth that I
think the world lacks is truth about who
Christ is and what he wants for us right
not not so much about see that's why I
ask you why does it matter that the
earth is round because because from my
perspective there's a lot of things a
lot of misconceptions that I have about
science and the way the world works and
it's incredibly complex place thing to
be frank even if we felt a job problem
pardon
I'll be Joshi gonna be praying okay yeah
even if we figure out this problem it
ultimately doesn't impact the way
you don't know that though I'm just
saying what can I do now yes right now
that I know yes that when I live my life
day to day right now the reason I'm
speaking to you in the way that I am
food is because I believe that Christ
has something through the truth that is
that surmounts anything about this world
it's actually it's it's transcendent and
what that means is it partakes of truth
beauty and goodness in a way that that
physical reality does now and and we
speak about the foolishness of this
world and the knowledge of God who I
don't think it's talking about God's
knowledge of of every intimate Adam it's
God's knowledge of us for who we are and
so so I find these things compelling and
I but I don't think science is my god
it's not what I spend my time I'm
actually engineer so so I spend I
literally spend eight hours a day
thinking about science hey well I don't
want to leave all y'all hanging the
battery died
and my backup battery died so I have to
recharge the thing that makes us happen
for the stream so I just want to thank
everybody for coming by and listen in
today's conversations I thought they
went really productively I had to kind
of put some people in their place but
I'm not dealing with that you know this
is not you're not you're not the type of
spirit that's ready to hear about this
that guy he was wearing United States
Marine Corps hat and that's just too bad
that he's already in that state of mind
like he probably thinks his votes count
right so you're not gonna be able to
deal with people like that hey bud don't
look up what Agent Orange is if you're
wearing our United States Marine Corps
hat and you know that they dropped Agent
Orange on the Vietnamese jungle and what
that has done to United States soldiers
then you don't have a clue but you
you're using the Coriolis effect to use
your assault rifle
that's not very effective so I hope you
get humbled and you're able to be open
minded later on about
the earth being a cartoon otherwise I
mean yeah I mean that was pretty good I
think it was I'd like to hear what you
all think I don't I get really good
feedback you know I really appreciate
that but you know it's okay to be a
little critical I mean I know the
different I know the line between a
critical and just trying to be offensive
to be offensive and that's kind of like
with my idea about you know flat earth
becoming like something that can be a
game and it's a sport for people online
now and I think a lot of people are
going to be turned away from Flat Earth
because if they want to investigate what
Flat Earth is they're gonna be held
against so much disinformation that
they'll go back to the globe or
hopefully they're agnostic right I mean
let's be real here we know that it's not
a ball in outer space so you know so
it's like how long do I have to have
this conversation with you
horray before you know we could just
kind of walk home and just be like dude
if you if you Jorge came here as a 19
year old to convince me that the earth
is a spinning ball in outer space in
which you know nothing about yourself
if you are misguided I'm and I'm
encouraged that you came through and you
talked and we hung out and whatnot but
you have a long ways to go and I hope
that your journey is challenging because
it will be if you want to if you want to
know what's really going on man you're
gonna have the truth hurts okay just
like Randy Moss said the truth hurts no
one likes to hear the truth because the
truth hurts so
and then at the end you know it's pretty
good talking to that Josh guy battery
died you know not much more was said you
know really after that look you know it
was encouraging because him and I
encourage each other and just where
we're at right now on our mission field
and this is my mission field now like
Flat Earth is it and I put you know when
I when I talk to people I put 110
percent in it and I hope that other
people are encouraged and edified by it
so I just think though as you know
people continue to even just hear about
it and hear about it from a productive
conversation and not mainstream media or
the first page of YouTube then I think
people will build off of that and it'll
be like they've taught us the hundred
monkey thing so look that up you haven't
investigated what that is and it'll just
kind of become an infection you know
amongst other human beings here in
Minnesota anyways I'm kind of I don't
you know this isn't the most you know
encouraging game ever but there's this
game called plague and it's probably got
like 4.5 4.7 stars out of 5 because it's
a really good game endemic something
makes it so if you want to put it on
your phone or whatever
it's called plague and basically you are
a host as a human being right and you're
my host I'm like a bacteria and you just
it's a real-time strategy game so you
got to figure out how to infect the
entire world and then kill everybody off
right so how godly is that game right
but there's also a game there's a
Christmas version of that inside the
game and then you spread happiness and
joy because the ruling governments have
taken away all happiness right so you
gotta infect everybody with the
happiness bug this parasite and that's
coming that's kind of what I'm doing
right now to say what's going on with me
and then Johnny is doing his thing
around the you also I'd like to go back
there soon I don't know if you would see
me or be there it's kind of
uncomfortable now all that he said he
doesn't want to meet up anymore because
of my view on the 10 commandments so
that's
I've been odd I didn't think it would
end Flat Earth activism tearing up but I
guess it did so I'll just hang out at
Lake Calhoun - and the twins have a long
home stands here and I'll probably do
some stuff at the twins game so if
anybody else is interested and doing
something this weekend or want to get
out have a reason to get out I mean this
is a good opportunity to get out and
just chill and listen to some music if
you mean right so let me know if you're
up for it otherwise enjoy the next time
and enjoy the rest of your night or day
and I just want to thank everybody
personally that we just have to just
hang on you know it's gonna get tough so
just got to hang on
it's not gonna get any easier
