After the Supreme court NALSA judgement, how did it benefit you (trans men)?
It's almost been three years since the Supreme court NALSA judgement.
After three years, all the state governments in India should heed the Supreme court's judgement.
But today, those policies haven't been properly implemented in any state.
On top of that, be it the 2015 or 2016 Transgender bill,
we have fought against certain things in that bill.
Who will identify us and in what way? We are fighting for these things.
Along with us, trans women are supporting us.
Except them, we don't have anyone supporting us!
And if you look, today in Karnataka, state government are saying
that one should at least take two years of counselling, for hormone change, top surgery.
They say that only if we take counselling through NIMHANS they will go to the next process.
Today, we very much desire to get top surgery done.
We desire to look like a boy by  taking hormone injection.
But since we don't have that much money to do it, we are forced to stay this way.
Today they are saying about the supreme court judgement (NALSA Judgement), and even
after the supreme court judgement, there is 377 section. So how?
How should we be? We are confused about how we should reveal ourselves.
And on top of that, the states haven't taken the judgement as powerful enough.
Example, for dalits, OBC, or women's related or other judgements by Supreme court,
they are implemented quicker by states.
But today, the states haven't been able to take forward the Supreme court's judgement.
Already in other states, in Karnataka they are giving pension. But what happened in Telangana? They haven't started yet.
It is a new state. Where should we who are born and brought up here go?
Don't we have the desire to have our own home? Don't we want to live in this society with everyone else?
So, after the Supreme court judgement, they gave us 9 benefits, as OBC category,
hostel facility, study benefits, and more, When they have given us these, where are they implemented?
Where are they properly implemented? Today we, I am publicly self identifying to so many people. Support me.
I am ready to study. I am a degree student, give me a job.
So all this is in writing, on paper, but today it is not being implemented in reality.
It is not happening outside the paper. Political leaders have to support it, the MPs and MLAs and bring out policies.
State governments have to move fast.
Among trans people, some with education have been speaking out, about the policies and rights and our supreme court judgement.
What about the trans people in the village? What about those who are not aware of these things?
Why is there no awareness given about us?
Today, you will have big big banners about your politics, but
Government advertises any of their implementations, but why don't you show about us?
They have advertisements about LIC, other schemes no?
Why don't you show anything positively about us? Why do you show us only negatively?
Are we useless for anything for you?
Only if the government talks positively about us, the society will understand us no?
When they don't talk, who will understand?
Now, you have come from a dalit background. Living as a trans man in this society, what troubles are you facing in this society?
I was born a girl, but before that, they have given me caste. I don't know who has given me caste.
They branded me that I belong to this caste.
They identified and branded us a adivasi, banjara, lambanis. I don't like it. But even before i was born, it was displayed.
And after I was formed in the stomach and came out, they said I was a girl.
Within three months after I was born, they said i had polio. They have decided that I had polio.
They can see polio, they can see caste, they can see a girl's body.
Look at the injustice done to me.
As i was growing up, I identified as a trans man. I am a boy. I have the characteristics of a boy inside me. I am self identifying.
So the society will accept what they have labelled me as. You are a girl, you are a dalit, you are disabled. They insist.
After I was born, after I can think for myself, when I am saying that I am a boy, why doesn't this society accept?
Yes, I have felt very sad. Yes, I felt disgusted looking at my body.
Yes, I very much desire and like to be a boy.
Today, saying dalit dalit, aren't dalits human?
I have polio in leg, not in my mind. I am not mental.
I can think.
There is no relation between polio, dalit, and disability. I have feelings too, I can have sex too.
My partner can understand my feelings. I am living bravely with this hope.
So if all this is on one side, we have to listen to parents, have to listen to the relatives in family,
have to follow what society says, following all this,
My disability is seen. Can be known without being told. By my walking style or otherwise, it is known.
But the dress I wear, they raise objection.
What's with the dress? Anybody can wear. Generally women also wear this type of dress these days.
You shouldn't decide my feelings or what I am, based on dress. What do they feel? ? In what state are they? What happened to them?
Is it really that way for them? If we have one friend who can sit and talk o us, our life will change.
I have seen my elder sister's marriage. I my caste they got her married at 12 years age.
Who was the next target? Me. Tension started for me.
That means, I was 10 and my sister was 12. So how was it like?
I was afraid they were going to get me married.
In our caste, they don't keep girls in their homes for long.
They are only supposed to marry after 18 years of age, but within the community they do what they like.
Then I thought with great difficulty,
I have to remember one person. What nobody knows is that I have learnt the Telugu alphabet only in 9th class.
At 9 years of age I mean.
Because they said I had polio and I was a girl, so I should stay home.
Simple word they said that nobody does better in our caste by studying.
When they said that and I stayed home for many years, one teacher, because of rain one teacher in my village came to my home
finding out that I was at home all these years, he scolded my family and joined me in school and got me until 10th class and
he is Krishna Murthy sir. I will always be indebted to him. He is retired now.
If today I am in this position, I will give 100% credit to him, because
My current situation, from 2000, 1990, I was born in January 1st, from then until now, I am 32 years today, born in 1986.
If you look, I was learning without knowing, many new things,
today I am not ashamed of my disability,
I do not regret I was a girl, I did feel sad but those days are gone. I do not regret it now. 100% do not regret.
I for feel sad about me, help me and you feel sorry.
I have taken this as a challenge. I have taken life as a challenge to win.
I have attempted suicide three times but didn't die. When god didn't take me away, what can you all do to me?
Yes, I have regretted a lot. Regretted being born as a girl, regretted being disabled, regretted being a dalit,
today, I regret being a trans man also. But I want to kill sadness with sadness and I am happy today.
Today my parents are close to me. I am happy. Everybody in my village speak to me. I am happy.
Which media has taken me till suicide, same media highlighted today.
In Karnataka, Good Social work award, state government, December 3rd, on world disability day, they have announced for me.
I am full happy. I am working. I decide to work until I am here.
Along with sadness, I have been experiencing difficulty and living.
If you like the challenge of the difficulty, I think life will be good for everybody.
How many days will we stay sad?
These days, we are not doing anything. We are not robbing, we are not doing sex work, we are murdering,
We are not  going and speaking rashly to someone, we are not doing anything no?
We want to live this way. We just need food, clothes, and a house to stay.
We don't have the desire to earn crores and build buildings like you. No one in our community has that greed I am telling you.
Whoever has them might have, in our trans mens and transgender community, some one has,
a desire to live and please help them.
We know the way and we are trying to go, but you come and place thorns there.
If you place thorns in our way, how can we go?
We are losing politically, we are losing education wise, we are losing in every way.
What is the reason for this loss? We are suffering in all ways, I have a question that for how many more days?
Today if you look, I am very happy doing this interview with you, because even here if you look,
if we go to another channel and talk, they will ask us the wrong questions.
What? How do you have sex? What? Do you have beard, moustache? What? If you fill as husband, how can you give policy to your wife?
What? Do you have Insurance? What did you fill in the Insurance? Did you fill in as Mister or Miss?
So, our community is scared to go to other channels also!
Example, what happened in program Bathulu Jatka Bandi?
Today, I am ready to come, but you ask proper questions.
First you learn how to talk.
Feeling means, sex alone is not life. We also want to live. We also want to come out politically. We also want to administer this society.
What happened? Where do you give us chance?
If you want to change this society, only the people in the society should change.
You keep saying society society. We are only the society no? Our parents are the society. Our friends are the society.
Our votes and the leaders are the society. The government we elect is the society. What else is there?
You are destroying us in the name of caste today.
In all ways. Who are left out at last? They used to say dalits are zero, today if you ask, transgender people are zero.
So all zeros. Reddys use Reddy, Gouds use Goud, so when they use in all those ways,
Yes, I don't like calling myself as a Nayak, because
One doesn't know if they were born as Reddy or Goud. They name after they are born.
They gave me a name. I want to live with that name and I am living.
I don't like these caste prefixes and suffixes.
So, you have been speaking about change from before, where do you think that change should start from?
100% today, I am giving interview, I will go out, at least see us as humans.
Change should begin from there.
Today we have spoken so much no. After going outside, why do they we are this and that and separate us?
Why do you separate us and talk? You have the same blood and I have the same blood?
Are you beautiful and am I not beautiful?
What else is the problem? You have money and I don't have it? You eat the same food and I eat the same food.
So, if society changes, society are the people, if people change,everything will be fine.
At least a way to live, a house, first you rent us a house. They don't rent us houses.
Who will stay? How many will stay? Who is the man and woman among you? Are you lovers?
To say in a simple sweet manner, I went to Bangalore after my crisis.
Malleswaram, famous area. I went to rent a house, it was raining and I was drenched. My body can be seen. Two of us were there.
The owner asked me that I had taken the house as a man but I look like a woman.
For three days I made sure he didn't see me. I didn't go back to that area.
I was that scared. I used to go and come when he is not around. These used to happen.
So, we are worried what would happen next. We have given 30000 rupees advance and we were worried.
So didn't you have anybody around during that time to share your feelings?
We can't ask help for everything no?
Who should as for help for a house to live? It is my need.
Who needs the house? I need it. I can't stay on the road no?
Asking help even for a house, I can ask for help if I was a problem, in an accident or if my health is not well, if parents abuse me or if I am in police station.
I have to think about asking for even small personal helps. We have to think no? We are also humans no?
They will help. They will help how much they can.
We have to ask only till what we need and we only have to take help only where we need it.
Like you have asked, today I have been suffering in all ways and I am doing better.
If I need a good life, I am not asking for money or anything.
A small job, or for our trans community today, give us an opportunity to sit and talk. Give us ten minutes and you will understand our problems.
I am hoping that you will give us a chance to understand us in these situations.
Thanks you Mr. Kiran, very happy to meet and talk to you today.
We have learnt many things from you that we didn't know about trans men.
We wholeheartedly wish that you get your rights in the society and your demands are fulfilled. Thanks
So friends, with Mr. Kiran, we have learnt many things about trans men.
So with many more interesting things, we will be back in next episode, Aa Aaa E Eee Anjali. Accurate and scientific information.
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