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>>ARTHELENE: HI THERE AT
WELCOME AT WELCOME TO
HOMEKEEPERS AND COME ON
AND MY FRIEND I'M SO GLAD
TO BE WITH YOU TODAY AND I
PRAY YOU'RE HAVING A
WONDERFUL DAY, I WANT TO
SAY WELCOME TO ANYONE THAT
WOULD BE TUNING IN FOR
THE FIRST TIME AND FOR THE
FIRST TIME, AND THE
REGULAR ONES AND WE HAVE
MANY OF THOSE, AND WE
APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH AND
YOU KNOW TODAY WERE GOING
TO BE DOING A PROGRAM LIKE
NONE BEFORE, BECAUSE
WERE GOING TO BE TALKING
ABOUT ONE PERSON AT ONE
PERSONALITY, AND MY GUESS
WOULD BE DOCTOR TOM
WOODWARD, AND HE WOULD
BE SOMEWHAT OF A GENIUS
AND A SPECIALIST, AND HE
KNOWS ALL ABOUT CS LEWIS.
ONE OF THE GREATEST MINDS
IN HISTORY. AND A
LITTLE SLOW TO COME TO
SALVATION BUT WHEN HE DID
IT WOULD BE ALL OF THE
WAY, AND I'M TALKING
ABOUT THE BOOK, AND THIS
WOULD BE HIS BOOK I JUST
FINISHED IT, AND THIS
ONE, WOULD BE HIS
BIOGRAPHY AND THIS WOULD
BE CS LEWIS FROM MY
COFFEE TABLE. AND AS WE
SEE THESE AND MAYBE YOU'VE
HEARD OF THESE BOOKS.
THIS MAN, AND HE IS
EXTREMELY INTELLECTUAL,
AND HE IS EXTREMELY, HE
IS EXTREMELY INTELLECTUAL,
THEY HAVE NEVER ACCUSED
ME OF THAT BUT LET ME TELL
YOU ABOUT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT
HIM. AND THIS WOULD BE
THE NEW YORK TIMES, HE
IS THE IDEAL PERSON LATER
FOR THOSE WHO WOULD BE
HALFWAY CUT ADVANCED FOR
THE GOOD MAN THAT WANTS TO
BE A CHRISTIAN, BUT HIS
INTELLECT GETS IN THE WAY.
AND THIS WOULD BE FROM
HARPERS. AND THE POINT
ABOUT CS LEWIS HE WOULD
MAKE YOU SURE WHATEVER YOU
BELIEVE, THAT RELIGION
RECEIVED OR REJECTED WOULD
BE SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS,
AND IT WOULD REQUIRE YOUR
ENTIRE ENERGY OF THE MIND.
BUT HER MIND TO BE TALK
ABOUT IT? DOCTOR
WOODWARD? AND HE HAS THE
CS LEWIS SOCIETY, AND HE
GETS INTO THE SCHOOLS OF
HIGHER LEARNING AND TO
PRESENT THE GOSPEL. YOU
WILL LOVE DOCTOR WOODWARD
IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN HIM
BEFORE. I WOULD BE
MEETING WITH STEPHANIE,
AT A MAYBE YOU NEED A VERY
QUICK RECIPE, YOU JUST
NEED SOMETHING THAT YOU
COULD DO IN A SHORT AMOUNT
OF TIME AND THIS IS WHAT
WE HAVE TODAY. AT WE HAVE
GOT CHEESE, BROCCOLI AND
CHOWDER, AND THIS WOULD
BE FROM AN AMAZING LITTLE
RECIPE BOOK, AND ALL OF
THE RECIPES WOULD BE DONE
IN 20 MINUTES OR LESS,
THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE
OUTER OFFERING TO THIS TO
YOU ON THE PROGRAM, FOR
THE GIFT OF $20 TO THE
PROGRAM, WE WILL GET IT
RIGHT OUT TO YOU AND
DEBORAH, HAS BEEN HERE
TO MAKE HER RECIPES. AND
IT IS RIGHT ON. AND THEY
ALWAYS ARE UNDER ABOUT 20
MINUTES, AND VERY GOOD
AND TASTY SO LET ME DO
THIS. HOW ARE YOU? AND
SOMETIMES DO YOU HAVE TO
HAVE THINGS QUICKLY?
>>STEPHANIE: WHAT YES, I
DO. AND YOU KNOW AND MY
HUSBAND GOES HUNTING, AND
I WILL NOT GET OUT A PAN.
AND I'M GOT A BE EATING
CEREAL, AND ANYTHING I
DO NOT HAVE TO COOK
>>ARTHELENE: I REMEMBER
YOU SAYING THAT AND THIS
HAS SOME ONIONS.
>>STEPHANIE: AND I'VE GOT
SOME BUTTER AND WERE GOING
TO ADD OUR ONIONS RIGHT
AWAY, AND THIS IS GOING
TO BE SO YUMMY.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WE WERE
FOLLOWING THE AROMA OF THE
ONIONS AND THEY COULD MAKE
YOUR EYES WATER.
>>STEPHANIE: AND THEY
HAVE GOT A WONDERFUL
FLAVOR, AND WE HAVE GOT
OF THE FROZEN BROCCOLI
WHICH WE WOULD BE
SAUTÉING, AND YOU WANT TO
PUT THIS IN THE MICROWAVE
FOR A MOMENT, AND WE
HAVE GOT 3 CUPS OF CHEDDAR
CHEESE AND MILK, AT A
RIGHT? WE HAVE OUR MILK,
AND WE HAVE THE CREAM OF
CHICKEN SOUP, COME ON,
AND THIS COULD BE NO
EASIER.
>>ARTHELENE: AND LET ME
SAY, AND MAYBE YOU COULD
THROW IN A GOOD ROLE, AND
THIS WOULD BE A GREAT
ENTRÉE.
>>STEPHANIE: AND WE HAVE
GOT A VERY IMPORTANT
AGAINST. AND WE HAVE
WARMED EVERYTHING UP, AND
YOU KNOW AT WE WON'T GO UP
FROM THE COLD. AND WE
HAVE OUR BROCCOLI.
>>ARTHELENE: DEBORAH HAS
TOLD ME, THAT SHE TESTED
OUT THE RECIPES AT LEAST
TWO TIMES. AND THE LAST
TIME SHE WAS HERE, SHE
MADE IT ON THE PROGRAM,
AND SHE DID SOME HORS
D'OEUVRES BUT I WOULD SAY
THEY COULD TO BE MUNCHIES.
>>STEPHANIE: AND YOU
KNOW, I WOULD BE A REDNECK
SO I WOULD USE THE TERM,
"MUNCHIES."
>>ARTHELENE: THEY WERE
EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD.
>>STEPHANIE: AND IF I WAS
MAKING THIS, AND MAYBE I
WOULD JUST MAKE MY SAUCE
WITH SOME BAKING FLOUR,
AND THEN THAT WOULD MAKE
IT THICKER. AND THIS IS
ALL I MIGHT DO.
>>ARTHELENE: AND MAYBE I
WOULD ADD A LITTLE
TABLESPOON, OF SPICES.
>>STEPHANIE: AND THERE
ARE JUST SO MANY THINGS
YOU COULD DO, AND YOU
COULD ADD SOME ROTISSERIE
CHICKEN. AND WE WANT TO
HEAT THIS UP AND YOU WANT
TO LET THIS COOK A LITTLE
BIT LONGER.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WHEN I
WOULD LOOK AT THE
INGREDIENTS AND I KNOW IT
WOULD BE GOOD.
>>STEPHANIE: IT SMELLS SO
GOOD, AT A MAYBE YOU
DON'T LIKE THE RAW ONIONS
AND I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF
THAT, BUT THAT WOULD ADD
SUCH A FLAVOR. SO DON'T
KNOCK IT.
>>ARTHELENE: ON RIGHT
COME AT A MAYBE YOU COULD
SMELL THE AROMA.
>>STEPHANIE: AND YES, AND
THIS GOES THROUGH THE
ENTIRE AREA.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU
KNOW, WE ARE IN THE BACK
OF THE BUILDING, AND
EVERYTHING ELSE COULD BE
MOVED AROUND BUT WE CANNOT
MOVE OUR KITCHEN, AND WE
ARE IN THE BACK OF THE
BUILDING.
>>STEPHANIE: AT A BE HAVE
TO GO THROUGH THE PROP
SHOP, AND THIS IS NOT TOO
GLAMOROUS.
>>ARTHELENE: BUT WHEN YOU
WOULD GET A PASS THE FIRE
DOORS, YOUR NOSE WOULD
BRING YOU IN HERE.
>>STEPHANIE: IT WOULD BE
LIKE THE WIZARD OF OZ.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THIS IS
NOT DONE.
>>STEPHANIE: NOT BY ANY
STRETCH BUT I DO WANT YOU
TO TRY IT OUT OF AREA YOU
GO. MY GOSH AND THIS
SMELLS SO GOOD.
>>ARTHELENE: THIS WOULD
BE AWFULLY GOOD.
>>STEPHANIE: YES. YES.
>>ARTHELENE: ALL RIGHT.
>>STEPHANIE: THE FLAVOR,
>>ARTHELENE: IT WOULD BE
SHOULD-- I WOULD LET THIS
GO FROM MAY BE DON'T KNOW
15 OR 20 MINUTES WHEN YOU
LET IT SIMMER. AND YOU
COULD LET THIS GO FOR A
FEW MINUTES AND YOU CAN
HAVE THIS FOR FREE. THIS
WOULD BE THE CHEESE,
BROCCOLI, CHOWDER, AND
THIS IS QUITE DELICIOUS.
AND AS WE MAKE THE
PROGRAM, ABLE TO BE ABLE
TO BE FOR THE AUTUMN
RECIPES.
>>STEPHANIE: I WANT THE
AUTUMN TIME TO ARRIVE,
THIS WOULD BE MY FAVORITE
SEASON.
>>ARTHELENE: THIS IS GOING TO
BE, COMING UP, MY FAVORITE
SEASON, AND WE HAVE GOT THE
CHEESE AND OF THE BROCCOLI AND
THE CHOWDER, AND WE HAVE
ALL OF THESE INGREDIENTS
NORMALLY AND THE EMAIL
WOULD BE GREAT, AND WE
WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET
THIS OUT TO YOU AND IN A MOMENT
YOU WILL MEET THE PROFESSOR
WILLIAMS FROM TRINITY.
>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE A
COPY OF THE RECIPE, YOU
COULD CONTACT US THROUGH
SOCIAL MEDIA, AS YOU SEE
ON YOUR SCREEN, AND BE
SURE TO INCLUDE YOUR
ENVELOPE, WITH YOUR
PROPER POSTAGE, AND
REMEMBER WE ALWAYS ENJOY
HEARING FROM OUR VIEWERS.
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>>ARTHELENE: I AM HAPPY
TO WELCOME BACK TO THE
PROGRAM TOM WOODWARD, IF
YOU HAVE NOT MET HIM,
PLEASE STAY WITH ME, I
BELIEVE THAT YOU'LL BE
QUITE IMPRESSED AND I WANT
TO TALK ABOUT YOU. ALL
RIGHT? AND YOU WOULD BE
A PROFESSOR AT TRINITY
COLLEGE IN THE FLORIDA.
AND YOU WERE, AND YOU
SAID, YOU HAD NOT BEEN AN
ATHEIST.
>>GUEST: BUT I WAS CLOSE.
>>ARTHELENE: BUT WHAT
BROUGHT YOU INTO
CHRISTIANITY?
>>GUEST: AND WHEN I WAS
IN MY FRESHMAN YEAR, I
ENCOUNTERED SOME
CHRISTIANS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WOULD
THIS BE AT A PRINCETON?
>>GUEST: AND YES, AND
THEY CALL THIS A CHRISTIAN
FELLOWSHIP AND THEY WERE
ACTIVE, AND WE WERE
THINKING ABOUT CREATION.
AND THEN I COULD SEE MAYBE
SOMEBODY COULD BELIEVE IT
IF THEY WANT TO BUT I DID
NOT REALLY BELIEVE IT, NO
WAY, JOSÉ. AND I AM
WITH THE LEADER OF THE
COLLEGE AGAIN, I WAS
RAISED IN A CHRISTIAN
HOME, I DID GO TO CHURCH,
AND THE CATECHISM AND THE
COMMUNION THING AT WHEN I
WAS A JUNIOR, I HAD
BECOME AN AGNOSTIC.
>>ARTHELENE: AND MAYBE
YOU MIGHT SAY, YOU WANTED
TO CONVINCE ANYBODY?
>>GUEST: AND THEN I
WANTED TO TEACH PEOPLE,
YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I
WOULD SAY, EVOLUTION
WAS THE FACT. AND THEY
CAME BACK WITH THESE
THINGS THAT I HAD NEVER
HEARD OUT OF THE BIBLE.
ABLE TO BE ISAIAH 53 AT WE
HAVE ALL GONE ASTRAY, AND
WE HAVE ALL TURNED TO
EVERYONE HIS OWN WAY,
AND GOD HAS CAUSED OUR
SINS TO ATTACK HIM AND NOT US.
HE PAID THE PENALTY FOR OUR
SINS. HAD NEVER HEARD OF THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, AND THE
EYEWITNESS PROOF OF JESUS
RAISING THE DEAD AND THAT
WAS ALL NEW TO ME. AND I
HAD BEEN FIGHTING IT FOR A
LONG TIME. AND THEN I
FINALLY TRUSTED CHRIST AT
THE END OF MY FRESHMAN
YEAR.
>>ARTHELENE: AND SO, SO
YOU HAD TO LAY IT ASIDE?
>>GUEST: AND YOU KNOW I
HAD TO LAY THINGS ASIDE
STEP-BY-STEP. AND YOU
KNOW AND THEN I SAID,
AND YOU KNOW, I SAID I
MIGHT AS WELL GET OVER
THIS NOW AND SO I RECEIVED
JESUS. AND I TOLD THE
LORD, I WOULD NOT BE
INVOLVED WITH THESE
PEOPLE, BUT I COULD SEE I
WAS ON THE WRONG PATHWAY.
>>ARTHELENE: I WANTED TO
EXPLAIN HIS BACKGROUND
BECAUSE, AND THIS WOULD
EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT AND
WHY AND WHY YOU HAD BEEN
DRAWN TO CS LEWIS. AND
NOW YOU HAVE THE CS LEWIS
SOCIETY, AND YOU GO AND
YOU SPEAK AROUND THE WORLD
AND IN COLLEGES. THIS
WOULD BE THE TARGET OF THE
INTELLECTUALS.
>>GUEST: AND WE WANT TO
TARGET THOSE WHO BELIEVE
THE SKEPTICS. AND THERE
IS A LOT OF OVERLAP WITH
THE STUDENTS ON MAY BE
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, I
HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM BUT
ALSO IN THE UNIVERSITY.
AND WE GO TO 35 COUNTRIES.
AND OUR MINISTRY, AND
WE WANT TO SPEAK TO THE
PROFESSORS, AND WE WANT
TO REACH OUT TO THE
LEADERS OF THE CAMPUS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YES, AND
THEY ARE BLINDED BECAUSE
OF THEIR GREAT INTELLECT.
>>GUEST: AND IT CAN
BECOME A STUMBLING BLOCK,
BUT THE REAL TRUTH OF THE
GOSPEL IS THERE BUT WE
HAVE MORE FIREPOWER, AND
OUR MINISTRY WAS BEGUN IN
PRINCETON WHEN I
GRADUATED, WE BEGAN
THIS. IT WAS THE CS
LEWIS SOCIETY AT WE HAVE
INHERITED IT NOW, AND
THEY GAVE ME THE BATON.
AND WE ARE TAKING IT OUT
OF HIBERNATION. AND I AM
TEACHING NOW AT TRINITY.
>>ARTHELENE: ALL RIGHT,
AND TOM, HE IS AN AUTHOR,
AND YOU WROTE ABOUT
DARWINISM. THE DOUBTS
ABOUT DARWINISM? AND YOU
HAVE BEEN, AND YOU HAVE
BEEN INTO MANY COUNTRIES
AND TALKING TO PEOPLE,
AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS ONLY
HEARD OF EVOLUTION.
>>GUEST: AND YES, AND IN
EUROPE, AND ALSO
THROUGHOUT EUROPE, THIS
IS ALL THEY KNOW AND THEY
SAY IT IS A FACT THAT YOU
CANNOT CHALLENGE, BUT
THAT WOULD BE SO ABSURD.
BECAUSE, DARWINISM IS
UNRAVELING. IT IS ON THE
VERGE OF COLLAPSE.
>>ARTHELENE: AND SO, AND
YOU WROTE A BOOK WITH
DOCTOR GIL'S ON THE
GENOME.
>>GUEST: I WOULD GIVE YOU
SOME BONUS POINTS, AND
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE
PRONOUNCING THAT PROPERLY.
>>ARTHELENE: ALL RIGHT
MAYBE I COULD TAKE MY
FACEBOOK TEST AND BE THE
INTELLECTUAL.
>>GUEST: AND I THINK THAT
WE HAD SHOWN THAT
PREVIOUSLY, AND THERE IS
ANOTHER ONE HERE.
>>ARTHELENE: AND THAT
WOULD BE 150 MILLION OF
THESE IN THE BODY.
>>GUEST: AND THERE WOULD
BE 21 RUNGS IN THE LADDER
OF THE DNA, AND SO FOR
ONE BLOOD CELL, AND IT
WOULD BE TRILLIONS OF
DNA IN THE BODY.
>>ARTHELENE: AND TO
BELIEVE THAT IT JUST
HAPPENS?
>>GUEST: AND YOU KNOW,
YOU COULD GET THIS AT A
CHRISTMAS PRESENT,
EDUCATIONAL TOYS.
>>ARTHELENE: I HAVE THINK
THAT YOU SHOULD GET IT OUT
EVERY TIME YOU CAN, AND
PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND
THESE THINGS, AND I
UNDERSTAND IN THIS
COMMUNITY, AND THEY
DISCOVER THE GENOME
IN THE DNA, AND THAT
SHOOK EVERYBODY UP.
>>GUEST: AND YOU KNOW AND
THEY MIGHT SAY, IT WOULD
BE A THEORY BUT THEN
THERE WAS SO MUCH
QUANTITY, AND THIS WOULD
BE LIKE COMPUTER CODE, AMAZING,
THIS IS ONE THING CS LEWIS
DID NOT KNOW ABOUT. AND
MAYBE LET ME GO BACK TO
THIS MAN, CS LEWIS. AND
THIS WAS ALL DISCOVERED
BACK IN 1953. HE DIED IN
1963 WHEN KENNEDY WAS
ASSASSINATED. IN HIS LAST
20 YEARS, HE WAS
EXPLODING WITH ALL KINDS
OF CREATIVE AND
POWERFULLY WRITTEN BOOKS
AND LIKE MERE
CHRISTIANITY. AND THAT
WAS, YOU KNOW, AND NEARLY
1 MILLION PEOPLE
UNDERSTOOD THIS, AND HE
WOULD DO THIS OVER A FEW
YEARS OVER THE RADIO. AND
THE ENTIRE BRITISH NATION
HEARD OF THE GOSPEL, OUT
OF THE BIBLE OVER THE BBC
AND HE KNOWS THE BIBLE TO
BETTER THAN ANYBODY. I
HAVE STUDIED THE BIBLE ALL
MY LIFE.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU
KNOW, HE WAS AN AMAZING
CHRISTIAN MAN, AND I HAD
READ HIS BIOGRAPHY, AND HE
HAD NOT BEEN RAISED IN
ANYTHING.
>>GUEST: AND HE WENT
THROUGH KIND OF A NOMINAL
CHURCH BACKGROUND.
>>ARTHELENE: ON RIGHT
NOW, AND AT WHAT POINT,
AND WHEN DID YOU SEE HIS
MINISTRY AT THE INTELLECT
OF THIS MAN? BUT WHY DID
YOU CREATE THIS SOCIETY?
>>GUEST: AND WE DID THIS
BACK IN 1988 AT TRINITY
COLLEGE IN NEW PORT
RICHEY, AND WE THOUGHT
THAT WOULD BE A NEED, AND
WE WANTED TO REACH OUT,
AND WE WANTED A NETWORK
OF WITNESSING TO CS
LEWIS. IT COMES OUT OF
HIS WRITINGS AND HIS LIFE.
>>ARTHELENE: WHEN DID YOU
LEARN ABOUT THIS?
>>GUEST: I BEGAN AND THE
HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE
SCREWTAPE LETTERS. AND
YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD
BE A LETTER BETWEEN THE
DEMONS, ABOUT A MAN IN
ENGLAND. AND THEN THERE
WAS THE BOOK, OUT OF THE
SILENT A PLAN. AND YOU
KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, MANY
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT CS
LEWIS LOVE THE
SCIENCE-FICTION. AND GOD
USED HIM DURING WORLD WAR
II TO REACH SO MANY
PEOPLE, AND WITH THE
BOOKS ABOUT NARNIA, IN
THE 1950S, THERE WERE
SEVEN BOOKS. AND HIS
IMPACT WAS EXPLODING AT
EVERY ACADEMIC LEVEL.
>>ARTHELENE: AND HE EVER
COME TO AMERICA?
>>GUEST: HE NEVER CAME TO
AMERICA.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WAS HE
ON THE RADIO HERE?
>>GUEST: AND THE RADIO
WAS UP AT A RUNNING, AND
YOU KNOW FOR INSTANCE ON
YOUTUBE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY
HEAR HIS TALKS, AND THEY
WOULD BE ABOUT 30 MINUTES
LONG. AND MAYBE YOU
COULD GO TO YOUTUBE, AND
SEARCH THE VIDEOS. AND
YOU COULD SEARCH CS LEWIS.
AND THERE WAS A MAN,
THAT WAS DOODLING WHAT HE
SAYS, AND SO YOU SEE
THESE THINGS PRESERVATIVE.
AND YOU SEE THESE RADIO
TALKS PRESERVED. SO HIS
VOICE WOULD BE PRESERVED.
HOWEVER, AND IT IS ALL
OF HIS WRITINGS THAT HAVE
HAD A GLOBAL IMPACT.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WHAT, AND
WHAT DOES HE SAY, AND MAY
BE, AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE
AN ORDINARY EVANGELIST,
AND WHAT WOULD BE THE
DIFFERENCE WHEN HE REACHES
THESE PEOPLE OF HIGHER
LEARNING, AND IN
ACADEMIA. BECAUSE, THERE
IS NO QUESTION, AND YOU
TAKE HIS WORDS, AND YOU
TAKE HIS LIFE AND
EXPERIENCE, INTO THE
INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER
LEARNING. AND PEOPLE TO
DO PAY ATTENTION.
>>GUEST: HE TAKES THE
TRUTH, AND HE TRANSLATES
IT INTO THE LINGO OF THE
20TH CENTURY, AND WE CAN
STILL APPRECIATE THAT NOW
BUT HE SAYS BASICALLY,
AND HE SAYS JESUS, AND
HE SAYS JESUS WILL SHOCK
YOU, AND I LOVE THE WORD
SHOCK. AND HE TALKED
ABOUT THE ART OF HAVING
THE SHOCK.
>>ARTHELENE: I HAVE
NEVER HEARD AN EVANGELIST
SAY THIS.
>>GUEST: AND HE TALKS
ABOUT MORALITY LIKE ROMANS
12 I'M SORRY ROMANS 2,
AND THE REQUIREMENT OF THE
LAW WOULD BE IN THE HEART
ADAM AND KNOW WHAT IS
RIGHT AND WRONG. SO HE
SETS OUT THE GOSPEL IN
MANY WAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT
WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE,
AND WE BREAK HIS LAWS
DAILY. AND HE BREAKS YOU
UP, AND THEN HE BRINGS
CHRIST TO THE STAGE. AND
CHRIST RECEIVED A WORSHIP,
AND HE SAID HE WAS
ETERNAL AND THE SINLESS
OUT OF THE GREAT I AM,
AND THE MESSIAH. AND HE
SAID AN ORDINARY MAN COULD
NOT SAY THESE THINGS. HE
WOULD BE BAD OR HE WOULD
BE GOD. AND THAT'S THE
LUNATIC DILEMMA. AND ONE
OF THE THINGS I TEACH IN
MY COURSES, WE SKETCH IT
OUT. AND WE DRAW THE
UPSIDE DOWN TREE. AND
THE KIDS CAN USE THAT
MAYBE WITH A COUSIN OR A
FRIEND, ON TWITTER. AND
SO HE PROVIDES A LOT OF
WEAPONRY, AND MAYBE
YOU COULD EVEN THINK OF
THE POWER TOOLS, AND YOU
CAN UPSET THE APPLE CART
IN A LOVING WAY FOR THOSE
WHO WOULD BE THE
AGNOSTICS. THIS IS WHAT
HAPPENED FOR ME.
>>ARTHELENE: AND
YOU, AND DO YOU DUPLICATE
THESE THINGS IN THESE
SITUATIONS? AND DO YOU DO
THIS? AND DO THESE
THINGS WORK NOW?
>>GUEST: YES, THEY DO AND
HE NEVER PASSED UP AN
OPPORTUNITY, AND LET ME
SHARE THE STORY OF THE MIA
SIX, AND HE WAS A BIT OF
A 007 DURING WORLD WAR II,
AND HE WAS IN THE SECRET
SERVICE, AND HE MADE
SOME BROADCASTS. AND HE
WOULD MAKE THE OLD
PHONOGRAPH RECORDS. AND
WE DID NOT KNOW, AND
SOMEBODY GOT THESE THINGS
OUT OF ICELAND ON THE
RECORD, AND THIS IS THE
ONLY KNOWN SURVIVING
RECORDINGS FROM 1941.
AND HE TALKED ABOUT THE
COMMON HERITAGE OF ICELAND
AND ENGLAND. AND HE WAS
SAYING DON'T REBEL AGAINST
BRITTANIA, AND THE
PEOPLE SAID ALL RIGHT,
THEY WOULD BE RIGHT. HE
DID SERVE THE LORD AND HE
DID SERVE HIS COUNTRY
FAITHFULLY.
>>ARTHELENE: AND HE KEPT
THEM AWAY FROM HITLER?
>>GUEST: AND THEY WERE
ALLIED WITH ENGLAND DURING
THE ENTIRE TIME OF WORLD
WAR II. THIS WAS BECAUSE
CS LEWIS WAS WILLING TO
SERVE GOD AND COUNTRY. HE
WOULD WRITE MANY HUNDREDS
OF LETTERS EVERY YEAR, AT
A MAYBE 1000 EVERY YEAR.
AT WE HAVE THE COLLECTION.
AND HE SAYS GOD HAS TOLD
ME TO DO THIS SO I MUST
OBEY THE LORD. HE WOULD
BE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WE TALK
ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO REACH
THOSE THAT WOULD BE
INTELLECTUALS AND EVEN
YOU, AND WHEN YOU WERE A
GREAT DOUBTER BUT YOU
CANNOT DISCOUNT THESE
THINGS.
>>GUEST: AND EVEN IN THE
NARNIA BOOKS YOU SEE THE
GOSPEL PRESENTED. AND
THIS IS A REPRESENTATION
OF WHO WE ARE. AND THERE
IS A MAN THAT IS RAISED
FROM THE DEAD IN THOSE
BOOKS, HE DANCES.
>>ARTHELENE: AND LET ME
TALK ABOUT THE PERSONAL
LIFE A LITTLE BIT, AND
WHEN YOU WOULD READ HIS
AUTOBIOGRAPHY, AND
BEFORE HE BECAME A
CHRISTIAN, ---
>>GUEST: AND YOU KNOW HE
SAID AT ONE TIME AT HE
WROTE A BOOK CALLED,
SURPRISED BY JOY. AND
THAT WOULD BE A TESTIMONY,
THAT HAS ABOUT 12
CHAPTERS. AND HE WAS
DEVASTATED BY WORLD WAR I
AT A BADLY INJURED AND
ALMOST KILLED. HE HAD
BEEN IN THE MILITARY
DURING WORLD WAR I.
THERE HAD BEEN A SHELL
THAT IT FELL SHORT, IT
HURT HIM FOR THE REST OF
HIS LIFE. HE HAVE BEEN
AN CONVALESCENCE FOR SIX
MONTHS. AND HE SAID,
THERE WAS NO GOD. AND SO
HE HAD SAID, I DID NOT
BELIEVE IN GOD, I DID NOT
THINK THAT GOD DID NOT
EXIST, AND SO I WAS
ANGRY AT HIM BECAUSE HE
DID NOT EXIST. BUT HE
SAID BUT WHERE DID I GET
THE IDEA OF GOOD AND EVIL?
WHERE THERE SHOULD BE NO
STANDARD, AND HOW DO WE
KNOW GOOD AND EVIL? AND HE
SAID THAT BEGAN TO WORK ON
HIM. AND YOU KNOW COMING
REMEMBER THE HOBBIT? AND
YOU KNOW, AND THIS MAN
KNEW THE AUTHOR OF THIS,
AND HE HAD TO ADMIT THAT
GOD DID IT REALLY EXIST.
AND YOU KNOW, AND THIS
HAPPENED IN 1931, AND HE
SAYS I BELIEVE THAT CHRIST
HAS BEEN RAISED FROM THE
DEAD.
>>ARTHELENE: IF YOU'RE
JUST JOINING ME THIS WOULD
BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT A
PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE DONE
ON, "HOMEKEEPERS."
ABLE TO BE INTERESTING, I
AM TALKING TO PROFESSOR
WOODWARD AND WE COULD DO
THIS FOR THE ENTIRE WEEK.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CS
LEWIS, AND HE HAS HAD
SUCH AN IMPACT ON
CHRISTIANITY, AT WOULD
YOU SAY WORLDWIDE? MAYBE
AT A BRITAIN AND IN
AMERICA?
>>GUEST: AND WE WOULD BE
ABOUT 120 SOCIETIES THAT
ARE NAMED AFTER THIS MAN,
THERE ARE 35 BOOKS THAT HE
HAS WRITTEN, 28 BOOKS FOR
THE ADULTS ARE THEN THE
NARNIA SERIES, THAT WOULD
BE SEVEN BOOKS SO IT WOULD
BE LIKE A TIDAL WAVE.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU
KNOW, AND THE NARNIA BOOKS
WOULD BE IN THE MILLIONS?
>>GUEST: IT WOULD BE IN
THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS.
AND I AM HOPING THEY
COULD MAKE ANOTHER ONE
THIS YEAR INTO A BOOK.
>>ARTHELENE: AND WHAT
WOULD BE OUT WHAT WOULD BE
YOUR THOUGHTS, AND ABOUT
THESE IMPORTANT SUBJECTS,
FOR THE INTELLECTUAL,
AUTO MIGHT AND DARWINISM
AND EVOLUTION TO COMMENT
ALL OF THOSE THINGS BY THE
TRUTH WOULD BE,
EVOLUTION TOO, AND
DARWINISM, IT IS LOSING
ITS BEARINGS, AND THERE
IS JUST SO MUCH
INFORMATION THAT SAYS IT
IS NOT TRUE.
>> AND THE EVIDENCE RUNS
SO STRONGLY AGAINST HIS
THEORY, IT IS NEAR THE
END OF THE ROAD. AND IT
HAS UNRAVELED TO THE
PLACE, IT IS PRACTICALLY
COLLAPSED. I COULD
EXPLAIN IT IN 100 WAYS.
IT WOULD BE LIKE A HOUSE
OF CARDS. THERE IS A VERY
GOOD BOOK, TOM BETHELL,
AND HIS BOOK, THE HOUSE OF
CARDS, DARWIN'S HOUSE OF
CARDS. IT WOULD BE A
TOUR DE FORCE, IT WOULD
BE THE ENTIRE FALLING
APART OVER THE LAST 25
YEARS.
>>ARTHELENE: AND YOU
KNOW, SO MUCH HAS CHANGED.
>>GUEST: IT IS
ACCELERATING AND THE NEXT
GENERATION, AND ABLE TO
SAY DON'T QUESTION IT,
THEY DON'T TAKE IT.
>>ARTHELENE: BUT THEY
STILL TEACH IT.
>>GUEST: YES,
UNFORTUNATELY. AND YOU
CAN BE FIRED IF YOU
QUESTION IT, IF YOU
DON'T HAVE THE TENURE.
THAT WOULD BE SAD ABOUT
THIS WILL CHANGE, AS THE
LORD WAITS TO COME BACK.
>>ARTHELENE: BUT YOU
CANNOT ARGUE WITH THE
FACTS OF SCIENCE.
>>GUEST: AND THE DNA
MODEL, AND THAT WOULD BE
A SMALL SNIPPET, AND THAT
WOULD BE LIKE A THROUGH--
AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE A 3
BILLION LETTER HARD
DRIVE. AND TO BE OUR
SOULS AND SPIRITS AND TO
BE LAST ETERNALLY.
AND YOU KNOW, AND JESUS,
IN NO, HE CAME HERE WITH
35 TRILLION CELLS. AT WE
ARE LEARNING BEAUTIFULLY
NOW THAT WE ARE FEARFULLY
AND WONDERFULLY MADE.
>>ARTHELENE: WE ONLY HAVE
A FEW MOMENTS LEFT BUT FOR
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE,
AND MAYBE THEY HAVE
SOMEONE IN THE FAMILY, AND
YOU KNOW THEY HAVE HONEST
DOUBTS AS AN INTELLECTUAL,
NOT SIMPLY BEING
OBSTINATE.
AT WOULD YOU SAY,
GIVING THEM A COPY OF THE
BOOK MERE CHRISTIANITY?
AND WE HAVE A MOMENT.
>>GUEST: YOU KNOW, YOU
WANT MERE CHRISTIANITY AND
THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC,
AND THERE IS A ANOTHER MAN
THAT WOULD BE CALLED THE
STORY OF REALITY. AND
THAT WOULD BE A MODERN
BOOK. ALSO AT WE HAVE
GOT SOME VERSIONS, OF
THE CASE FOR CHRIST, AND
WE SEE THIS FEATURE FILM.
>>ARTHELENE: AND I WANT
TO INTERVIEW THAT
SCREENWRITER.
>>GUEST: THESE THINGS ARE
FABULOUS.
>>ARTHELENE: IT WOULD BE
BETTER THAN ARGUING AROUND
THE TABLE.
>>GUEST: AND YOU KNOW,
THE GIVE-AND-TAKE WOULD BE
ONE OF THE HOLY GHOST
WANTS.
>>ARTHELENE: IT WOULD BE
WONDERFUL TO HAVE YOU HERE
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR
MINISTRY, I'M SO GLAD
THAT YOU ARE PUSHING
APOLOGETICS, IT IS SO
NEEDED IN THE CHURCH OUT
OF THE TIME WOULD BE UP,
JOIN ME AGAIN AT A
REMEMBER THERE IS NO
HIGHER CALLING, THAN
THAT OF A HOMEKEEPERS SO
GOD BLESS YOU.
>> IF YOU MISS A PROGRAM
YOU CAN CATCH UP, GO TO
THE WEBSITE YOU SEE ON
YOUR SCREEN, AND WATCH
HOMEKEEPERS ONLINE AND ON
DEMAND.
>> CLOSED CAPTIONING
PROVIDED BY THE STAFF, OF
THE CHRISTIAN TELEVISION
NETWORK IN CLEARWATER,
FLORIDA.
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