THAT RELATES TO EMAIL 
SCANDAL, CORRUPTION 
ALLEGATIONS RELATED TO THE 
CLINTON FOUNDATION AND HER 
OWN HEALTH.
SHE WILL BE WATCHED 
CLOSELY FOR 90 MINUTES 
STANDING UP ON A STAGE 
UNDER TREMENDOUS PRESSURE 
AND HOT LIGHTS.
WE WILL SEE HOW IT GOES.
I THINK THEY BOTH HAVE 
THEIR INDIVIDUAL WEAKNESSS.
MY HOPE IS THEY DON'T 
DEFLECT TO THE OTHER'S 
WEAKNESSES, I HOPE THEY 
ADDRESS THEIR OWN 
WEAKNESSES, THE COUNTRY 
WILL BE BETTER OFF.
>> Sarah: MATT, THANK YOU 
FOR THAT.
AS YOU PREPARE FOR THE 
DEBATE HERE IS ANOTHER 
LIVE SHOT OF HOFSTRA 
UNIVERSITY IN HEMPSTEAD 
NEW YORK.
WE JUST SAW LESTER HOLT, 
THE MODERATOR, TAKE HIS 
SEAT.
WE KNOW CLINTON WON THE 
COIN TOSS, SHE WILL GET 
THE FIRST QUESTION.
THE FAMILIES WILL BE IN 
THE AUDIENCE WATCHING 
ALONGSIDE AS MANY AS 100 
MILLION PEOPLE.
STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, 
ROSEMARY BARTON AND THE 
"POW
[♪♪♪]
>> WELCOME TO THIS SPECIAL 
EDITION OF POWER AND POLITICS.
I'M ROSEMARY BARTON.
THE WAIT IS OVER.
THE FIRST U.S. PRESIDENTIAL 
DEBATE IS ABOUT TO BEGIN.
WITH POLLS TOO CLOSE TO CALL, 
COULD IT BE A TURNING POINT.
WILL CLINTON OR TRUMP SWAY SOME 
OF THE 10% OR SO AMERICANS WHO 
MAY BE UNDECIDED.
WE WILL BRING YOU TO HOFSTRA 
UNIVERSITY.
THE MODERATOR TOOK HIS PLACE.
HERE IS OUR PANEL WHO WILL GIVE 
YOU ANALYSIS AFTER THE DEBATE AT
10:30.
IN WASHINGTON.
IN TORONTO, FROM POMP AND 
CIRCUMSTANCE.
HERE IN STUDIO, TIM POWERS.
AND CBC POLL ANALYST ERIC 
GRENIER.
IN 15 SECONDS OR LESS, EACH ONE 
OF YOU.
THAT WILL BE EASY.
WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING, ERIC, 
FIRST.
>> TRUMP HAS BEEN MAKING GAINS 
IN THE POLLS.
HILLARY CLINTON NEEDS SOMETHING 
TO STOP THE MOMENTUM.
THE BEST THING SHE CAN DO IS TO 
EXPOSE HIS WEAKNESS IN THE 
POLLS.
A LOT OF AMERICANS DO NOT THINK 
HE HAS THE RIGHT TEMPERAMENT TO 
BE PRESIDENT.
>> THIS IS ABOUT PERFORMANCE 
VERSUS POLICY.
CAN SHE BACK HIM INTO THE CORNER
SO HE CAN'T USE HIS BROAD 
SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS AND CAN
HE PUT A HIGHLIGHT ON THE THING 
THAT PEOPLE ARE MOST CONCERNED 
ABOUT, HER CHARACTER AND HER 
INTEGRITY.
>> I WILL LOOK AT HOW SERIOUS IS
DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENCY FOR 
CANADA.
IS HE GOING TO COME AFTER US ON 
ECONOMIC FRONTS OR WILL WE SEE 
THE WILD ACCUSATIONS THAT ARE 
EASY TO DISCOUNT.
AGAIN UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION 
CYCLE OR WILL CANADIAN 
POLITICIANS BE FORCED TO CONTEND
WITH A TRUMP THAT IS LEADING A 
CLINTON BY A LARGER MARGIN THAN 
HE MAY BE ALREADY.
>> CAN TRUMP PASS THE COMMANDER 
IN CHIEF TEST OF SOMEONE YOU 
WOULD TRUST WITH THE NUCLEAR 
CODES.
CAN HE APPEAL TO WHITE UPPER 
INCOME REPUBLICANS IN THE 
SUBURBS IN THE SWING STATES?
CAN CLINTON PASS THE TRUST TEST 
AND CAN SHE APPEAL TO MILLENIALS
WHO SO FAR ARE GOING WITH THE 
THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES AND 
AREN'T WON OVER TO THE CANDIDACY
YET.
>> Rosemary: LAST FOR YOU.
>> ANOTHER CHANNEL, THEY ARE 
PLAYING FOR A WILDCARD SPOT IN 
BASEBALL.
THIS IS A WILDCARD.
DO WE GET A TRUMP MOMENT WHERE 
HE BEHAVES LIKE A CHIMP OR WOW, 
A SURPRISE MOMENT.
IT IS MORE ABOUT TRUMP THAN 
CLINTON TONIGHT.
>> Rosemary: WE ARE WAITING -- I
AM GLAD WE GOT OUR SAY.
I CAN CUT ANYBODY OFF AND I FEEL
OKAY ABOUT IT.
WE ARE WAITING FOR THE HEADS UP 
FROM LESTER HOLT WHO IS THE 
MODERATOR, THE HOST OF NBC 
NIGHTLY NEWS WHO HAS GIVEN US 
JUST NOW THE ONE MINUTE WARNING.
I WILL LET YOU KNOW HE CAME OUT 
IN FRONT OF THE AUDIENCE BEFORE 
IT BEGAN, AND DID TELL EVERYBODY
NOT TO REACT.
AND NOT TO CLAP.
IT IS NOT THAT KIND OF DEBATE.
THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN OFFERING.
BILL CLINTON, ARRIVED AND SHOOK 
HANDS WITH IVANA TRUMP AND HIS 
FAMILY.
THERE ARE OTHERS WATCHING WHAT 
WILL BE A CRITICAL DEBATE 
TONIGHT.
THE POLLS AGAIN ARE RELATIVELY 
NECK AND NECK AT THIS STAGE.
THERE IS A LOT RIDING ON DONALD 
TRUMP WHO IS UNTESTED IN THIS 
FORMAT.
AND HILLARY CLINTON WHO HAS BEEN
TESTED MANY TIMES BEFORE IN THE 
DEBATE.
LET'S BRING YOU TO THE FLOOR OF 
THE DEBATE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN 
LISTEN TO NOW.
>>> QUITE SILENT.
ERIC, GIVE US A THOUGHT ABOUT 
WHAT YOU THINK MAY BE THE 
DETERMINING FACTOR HERE?
>> MOST AMERICANS IN POLLS.
>> GOOD EVENING, WE WELCOME YOU 
TO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL 
DEBATE.
THE PARTICIPANTS ARE DONALD 
TRUMP AND HILLARY CLINTON.
THIS DEBATE IS SPONSORED BY THE 
COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL 
DEBATES.
A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION.
THE COMMISSION DRAFTED THE 
FORMAT AND THE RULES HAVE BEEN 
AGREED TO BY THE CAMPAIGNS.
THE 90 MINUTE DEBATE IS DIVIDED 
INTO 6 SEGMENTS, EACH 15 MINUTES
LONG.
WE WILL EXPLORE THREE TOPIC 
AREAS, ACHIEVING PROSPERITY, 
AMERICA'S DIRECTION AND SECURING
AMERICA.
AT THE START OF EACH SEGMENT, I 
WILL ASK THE SAME LEADOFF 
QUESTION TO BOTH CANDIDATES.
THEY HAVE TWO MINUTES TO 
RESPOND.
FROM THAT POINT, UNTIL THE END 
OF THE SEGMENT, WE WILL HAVE AN 
OPEN DISCUSSION.
THE QUESTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN 
SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION OR 
THE CAMPAIGNS.
THE AUDIENCE IN THE ROOM HAS 
AGREED TO REMAIN SILENT SO WE 
CAN FOCUS ON WHAT THE CANDIDATES
ARE SAYING.
I WILL INVITE YOU TO APPLAUD AT 
THIS MOMENT AS WE WELCOME THE 
CANDIDATES.
DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT
OF THE HILLARY CLINTON AND 
DONALD TRUMP.
I DON'T EXPECT US TO COVER ALL 
THE ISSUES OF THIS CAMPAIGN 
TONIGHT.
I REMIND EVERYONE THERE ARE TWO 
MORE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES 
SCHEDULED.
WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON MANY OF
THE ISSUES THAT VOTERS TELL US 
ARE MOST IMPORTANT.
WE WILL PRESS FOR SPECIFICS.
I AM HONOURED TO HAVE THIS ROLE,
THIS EVENING BELONGS TO THE 
CANDIDATES AND JUST AS IMPORTANT
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
CANDIDATES, WE LOOK FORWARD TO 
HEAR YOU ARTICULATE YOUR 
POLICIES AND POSITIONS AND YOUR 
VISIONS AND YOUR VALUES.
SO LET'S BEGIN.
WE ARE CALLING THIS OPENING 
SEGMENT ACHIEVING PROSPERITY.
AND CENTRAL TO THAT IS JOBS.
THERE ARE TWO ECONOMIC REALITIES
IN AMERICA TODAY, THERE IS A 
RECORD SIX STRAIGHT YEARS OF JOB
GROWTH AND CENSUS RECORDS SHOW 
THERE IS AN INCREASE AFTER YEARS
OF STAGNATION.
INCOME INEQUALITY AND HALF OF 
AMERICANS ARE LIVING PAYCHEQUE 
TO PAYCHEQUE.
BEGINNING WITH YOU SECRETARY 
CLINTON, WHY ARE YOU A BETTER 
CHOICE THAN YOUR OPPONENT TO 
CREATE THE KINDS OF JOBS THAT 
WILL PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE 
POCKETS OF AMERICAN WORKERS?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND THANK YOU FOR HOFSTRA FOR 
HOSTING US.
THE CENTRAL QUESTION IN THE 
ELECTION IS REALLY WHAT KIND OF 
COUNTRY WE WANT TO BE AND WHAT 
KIND OF FUTURE WE WILL BUILD 
TOGETHER.
TODAY IS MY GRANDDAUGHTER'S 
SECOND BIRTHDAY.
I THINK ABOUT THIS A LOT.
FIRST, WE HAVE TO BUILD AN 
ECONOMY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE,
NOT JUST THOSE AT THE TOP.
THAT MEANS, WE NEED NEW JOBS, 
GOOD JOBS WITH RISING INCOMES.
I WANT US TO INVEST IN YOU.
I WANT US TO INVEST IN YOUR 
FUTURE.
THAT MEANS JOBS AND 
INFRASTRUCTURE AND ADVANCED 
MANUFACTURING.
INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY.
CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY AND SMALL
BUSINESS, BECAUSE MOST OF THE 
NEW JOBS WILL COME FROM SMALL 
BUSINESS.
WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE THE ECONOMY
FAIRER.
THAT STARTS WITH RAISING THE 
NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE.
AND ALSO GUARANTEES FINALLY 
EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN'S WORK.
I ALSO WANT TO SEE MORE 
COMPANIES DO PROFIT-SHARING.
IF YOU HELP CREATE THE PROFITS, 
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE IN 
THEM.
NOT JUST THE EXECUTIVES AT THE 
TOP.
AND I WANT US TO DO MORE TO 
SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO ARE 
STRUGGLING TO BALANCE FAMILY AND
WORK.
I HAVE HEARD FROM SO MANY OF YOU
ABOUT THE DIFFICULT CHOICES YOU 
FACE AND THE STRESSES THAT YOU 
ARE UNDER.
SO LET'S HAVE PAID FAMILY LEAVE.
EARNED SICK DAYS.
LET'S BE SURE WE HAVE AFFORDABLE
CHILD CARE AND DEBT FREE 
COLLEGE.
WE WILL DO IT BY HAVING THE 
WEALTHY PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE AND
CLOSE THE CORPORATE LOOPHOLES.
WE, FINALLY, ARE ON THE STAGE 
TOGETHER, DONALD TRUMP AND I.
DONALD, IT IS GOOD TO BE WITH 
YOU.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DEBATE 
WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 
IMPORTANT ISSUES FACING OUR 
COUNTRY.
YOU HAVE TO JUDGE US.
WHO CAN SHOULDER THE IMMENSE 
AWESOME RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE 
PRESIDENCY.
WHO CAN PUT INTO ACTION THE 
PLANS THAT WILL MAKE YOUR LIFE 
BETTER.
I HOPE THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO 
EARN YOUR VOTE ON NOVEMBER 8TH.
>> Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON, 
MR. TRUMP, THE SAME QUESTION TO 
YOU.
ABOUT PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO 
THE POCKETS OF AMERICAN WORKERS.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR JOBS ARE FLEEING THE 
COMPANY.
THEY ARE GOING TO MEXICO.
THEY ARE GOING TO MANY OTHER 
COUNTRIES.
YOU LOOK AT WHAT CHINA IS DOING 
TO OUR COUNTRIES MAKING OUR 
PRODUCT.
THERE IS NOBODY IN THE 
GOVERNMENT TO FIGHT THEM.
WE HAVE A GOOD FIGHT AND A 
WINNING FIGHT.
THEY ARE USING OUR COUNTRY AS A 
PIGGY BANK TO REBUILD CHINA AND 
MANY OTHER COUNTRIES ARE DOING 
THE SAME THING.
WE ARE LOSING OUR GOOD JOBS.
SO MANY OF THEM.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS 
HAPPENING IN MEXICO.
A FRIEND OF MINE WHO BUILDS 
PLANTS SAID IT IS THE 8th WONDER
OF THE WORLD.
THEY ARE BUILDING THE BIGGEST 
PLANTS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, 
SOME OF THE MOST SOPHISTICATED 
AND THE BEST PLANTS.
WITH THE UNITED STATES AS HE 
SAID, NOT SO MUCH.
SO FORD IS LEAVING.
YOU SEE THAT.
A CAR DIVISION LEAVING.
THOUSANDS OF JOBS LEAVING 
MICHIGAN AND OHIO.
THEY ARE ALL LEAVING.
AS FAR AS CHILD CARE IS 
CONCERNED AND OTHER THINGS, 
HILLARY AND I AGREE ON THAT.
WE PROBABLY DISAGREE A LITTLE 
BIT AS TO NUMBERS AND AMOUNTS 
AND WHAT WE WILL DO.
BUT PERHAPS WE WILL TALK ABOUT 
THAT LATER.
WE HAVE TO STOP OUR JOBS FROM 
BEING STOLEN FROM US.
WE HAVE TO STOP OUR COMPANIES 
FROM LEAVING THE UNITED STATES 
AND WITH IT FIRING ALL OF THE 
PEOPLE.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOKING 
INDIANAPOLIS, THEY LET GO 4500 
PEOPLE, THEY ARE GOING TO 
MEXICO.
SO MANY HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF
COMPANIES ARE DOING THIS.
WE CANNOT LET IT HAPPEN.
UNDER MY PLAN, I WILL BE 
REDUCING TAXES TREMENDOUSLY.
FROM 35% TO 15% FOR COMPANIES.
SMALL AND BIG BUSINESSES.
THAT IS GOING TO BE A JOB 
CREATOR LIKE WE HAVE NOT SEEN 
SINCE RONALD REGAN.
IT WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL THING TO 
WATCH.
COMPANIES WILL COME, THEY WILL 
BUILD, THEY WILL EXPAND.
NEW COMPANIES WILL START.
AND I LOOK VERY, VERY MUCH 
FORWARD TO DOING IT.
WE HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE OUR TRADE
DEALS.
AND WE HAVE TO STOP THESE 
COUNTRIES FROM STEALING OUR 
COMPANIES AND OUR JOBS.
>> Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON, 
WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND?
>> I THINK THAT TRADE IS AN 
IMPORTANT ISSUE.
OF COURSE, WE ARE 5% OF THE 
WORLD'S POPULATION, WE HAVE TO 
TRADE WITH THE OTHER 95%.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE SMART, FAIR 
TRADE DEALS.
WE ALSO, THOUGH, NEED TO HAVE A 
TAX SYSTEM THAT REWARDS WORK AND
NOT JUST FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS.
AND THE KIND OF PLAN THAT DONALD
HAS PUT FORTH WOULD BE TRICKLE 
DOWN ECONOMICS ALL OVER AGAIN.
IN FACT, IT WOULD BE THE MOST 
EXTREME VERSION, THE BIGGEST TAX
CUTS FOR THE TOP PERCENT OF THE 
PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY THAN WE 
HAVE EVER HAD.
I CALL IT TRUMPED UP TRICKLE 
DOWN.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD 
BE.
THAT IS NOT HOW WE GROW THE 
ECONOMY.
WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW 
ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR GROWING 
THE ECONOMY.
HOW WE MAKE INVESTMENTS THAT 
WILL ACTUALLY PRODUCE JOBS AND 
RISING INCOMES.
I THINK WE COME AT IT FROM 
SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
YOU KNOW, DONALD WAS VERY 
FORTUNATE IN HIS LIFE, AND 
THAT'S ALL TO HIS BENEFIT.
HE STARTED HIS BUSINESS WITH 
$14 MILLION BORROWED FROM HIS 
FATHER.
HE REALLY BELIEVES THAT THE MORE
YOU HELP WEALTHY PEOPLE, THE 
BETTER OFF WE WILL BE AND 
EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT FROM 
THERE.
I DON'T BUY THAT.
I HAVE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE.
MY FATHER WAS A SMALL 
BUSINESSMAN.
HE WORKED REALLY HARD.
HE PRINTED DRAPERY FABRIC ON 
LONG TABLES, HE WOULD PULL OUT 
THE FABRICS AND WENT DOWN WITH A
SILK SCREEN AND DUMPED THE PAINT
IN AND KEPT GOING.
AND WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE MORE 
WE CAN DO FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS, 
THE MORE WE CAN INVEST IN YOU, 
YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR SKILLS, 
YOUR FUTURE.
THE BETTER WE WILL BE OFF.
THE BETTER WE WILL GROW.
THAT IS THE ECONOMY I WANT US TO
SEE.
>> Lester: YOU TALKED ABOUT 
CREATING 25 MILLION JOBS, YOU 
PROMISED TO BRING BACK MILLIONS 
OF JOBS FOR AMERICANS.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BRING BACK 
THE INDUSTRIES THAT HAVE LEFT 
THIS COUNTRY FOR CHEAPER LABOUR 
OVERSEAS?
HOW SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU GOING 
TO TELL AMERICAN MANUFACTURERS 
THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK?
>> WELL, FOR ONE THING, AND 
BEFORE WE START ON THAT, MY 
FATHER GAVE ME A SMALL AMOUNT IN
1975, AND I BUILT IT INTO A 
COMPANY THAT IS WORTH MANY, MANY
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
WITH SOME OF THE GREATEST ASSETS
IN THE WORLD.
I SAY THAT ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S 
THE KIND OF THINKING THAT OUR 
COUNTRY NEEDS.
OUR COUNTRY IS IN DEEP TROUBLE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING 
WHEN IT COMES TO DEVALUATIONS 
AND ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES ALL 
OVER THE WORLD, ESPECIALLY 
CHINA, THEY ARE THE BEST OF AT 
IT.
WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US IS A 
VERY, VERY SAD THING.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE OUR TRADE
DEALS.
LESTER, THEY ARE TAKING OUR 
JOBS, THEY ARE GIVING INCENTIVES
AND DOING THINGS THAT FRANKLY WE
DON'T DO.
LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF 
MEXICO, THEY HAVE A TAX.
WHEN WE SELL INTO MEXICO, THERE 
IS A TAX.
WHEN THEY SELL -- AN AUTOMATIC 
16% APPROXIMATELY.
WHEN THEY SELL INTO US, THERE IS
NO TAX.
IT IS A DEFECTIVE AGREEMENT.
IT HAS BEEN DEFECTIVE FOR A LONG
TIME.
MANY YEARS.
THE POLITICIANS HAVE NOT DONE 
ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
IN ALL FAIRNESS TO SECRETARY 
CLINTON, YES, IS THAT OKAY, 
GOOD.
I WANT YOU TO BE VERY HAPPY.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
IN ALL FAIRNESS TO SECRETARY 
CLINTON, WHEN SHE STARTED 
TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT WAS 
REALLY VERY RECENTLY, SHE HAS 
BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS.
AND WHY HASN'T SHE MADE THE 
AGREEMENTS BETTER?
THE NAFTA AGREEMENT IS DEFECTIVE
BECAUSE OF THE TAX AND MANY 
OTHER REASONS.
JUST BECAUSE OF THE TAX.
>> Lester: LET ME INTERRUPT.
>> SECRETARY CLINTON AND OTHER, 
POLITICIANS SHOULD HAVE BEEN 
DOING THIS FOR YEARS.
NOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE 
FACT THAT WE HAVE CREATED A 
MOVEMENT.
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THIS
FOR YEARS.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR JOBS 
AND OUR ECONOMY, WE ARE 
$20 TRILLION, WE OWE.
WE CANNOT DO IT ANYLONGER.
>> Lester: HOW DO YOU BRING BACK
SPECIFICALLY JOBS, AMERICAN 
MANUFACTURERS, HOW DO YOU MAKE 
THEM BRING THE JOBS BACK?
>> YOU KNOW THAT THE JOBS LEAVE.
THE COMPANIES ARE LEAVING.
I CAN NAME -- THERE ARE 
THOUSANDS OF THEM.
THEY ARE LEAVING AND THEY ARE 
LEAVING IN BIGGER NUMBERS THAN 
EVER.
AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU SAY, 
FINE, YOU WANT TO GO TO MEXICO 
OR SOME OTHER COUNTRY, GOOD 
LUCK, WE WISH YOU A LOT OF LUCK.
IF YOU THINK YOU WILL MAKE YOUR 
AIR CONDITIONERS OR COOKIES OR 
WHAT YOU MAKE AND BRING THEM 
INTO OUR COUNTRY WITHOUT A TAX, 
YOU ARE WRONG.
ONCE YOU SAY YOU WILL HAVE TO 
TAX THEM COMING IN AND OUR 
POLITICIANS NEVER DO THIS, 
BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPECIAL 
INTERESTS AND THE SPECIAL 
INTERESTS WANT THOSE COMPANIES 
TO LEAVE BECAUSE IN MANY CASES 
THEY OWN THE COMPANIES.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE CAN STOP 
THEM FROM LEAVING, WE HAVE TO 
STOP THEM FROM LEAVING AND IT IS
A BIG, BIG FACTOR.
>> Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> LET'S STOP FOR A SECOND AND 
REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE 8 YEARS 
AGO.
WE HAD THE WORST FINANCIAL 
CRISIS, THE GREAT RECESSION, THE
WORST SINCE THE 1930s.
THAT WAS IN LARGE PART BECAUSE 
OF TAX POLICIES THAT SLASHED 
TAXES ON THE WEALTHY, TOOK THEIR
EYES OFF WALL STREET AND CREATED
A PERFECT STORM.
IN FACT, DONALD WAS ONE OF THE 
PEOPLE WHO ROOTED FOR THE 
HOUSING CRISIS.
HE SAID BACK IN 2006, GEE, I 
HOPE IT DOES COLLAPSE BECAUSE 
THEN I CAN GO IN AND BUY SOME 
AND MAKE SOME MONEY.
IT DID COLLAPSE.
9 MILLION PEOPLE.
9 MILLION PEOPLE LOST THEIR 
JOBS.
5 MILLION PEOPLE LOST THEIR 
HOMES.
AND $13 TRILLION IN FAMILY 
WEALTH WAS WIPED OUT.
NOW, WE HAVE COME BACK FROM THAT
ABYSS.
AND IT HAS NOT BEEN EASY.
WE ARE ON THE PRECIPICE OF 
HAVING A POTENTIALLY MUCH BETTER
ECONOMY, BUT THE LAST THING WE 
NEED TO DO IS TO GO BACK TO THE 
POLICIES THAT FAILED US IN THE 
FIRST PLACE.
INDEPENDENT EXPERTS LOOKED AT 
WHAT I PROPOSED AND LOOKED AT 
WHAT DONALD'S PROPOSED AND 
BASICALLY THEY HAVE SAID THIS: 
IF HIS TAX PLAN, WHICH WOULD 
BLOW UP THE DEATH BY OVER 
$5 TRILLION, AND WOULD IN SOME 
INSTANCES DISADVANTAGE MIDDLE 
CLASS FAMILIES COMPARED TO THE 
WEALTHY, WERE TO GO INTO EFFECT,
WE WOULD LOSE 3.5 MILLION JOBS.
AND MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER 
RECESSION.
THEY HAVE LOOKED AT MY PLANS AND
THEY HAVE SAID, OKAY, IF WE CAN 
DO THIS AND I INTEND TO GET IT 
DONE, WE WILL HAVE 10 MILLION 
MORE NEW JOBS.
BECAUSE, WE WILL BE MAKING 
INVESTMENTS WHERE WE CAN GROW 
THE ECONOMY.
TAKE CLEAN ENERGY, SOME COUNTRY 
IS GOING TO BE THE CLEAN ENERGY 
SUPER POWER OF THE 21st CENTURY.
DONALD THINKS THAT CLIMATE 
CHANGE IS A HOAX.
PERPETRATED BY THE CHINESE.
I THINK IT IS REAL.
>> I DO NOT SAY THAT.
I DO NOT SAY THAT.
>> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT 
WE GRIP THIS AND DEAL WITH IT AT
HOME AND ABROAD.
WE CAN DEPLOY A HALF BILLION 
MORE SOLAR PANELS.
WE CAN HAVE ENOUGH CLEAN ENERGY 
TO POWER EVERY HOME.
WE CAN BUILD A NEW MODERN 
ELECTRIC GRID.
THAT IS A LOT OF JOBS.
THAT IS A LOT OF NEW ECONOMIC 
ACTIVITY.
I HAVE TRIED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC
ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND SHOULD DO.
AND I AM DETERMINED THAT WE ARE 
GOING TO GET THE ECONOMY REALLY 
MOVING AGAIN.
BUILDING ON THE PROGRESS WE HAVE
MADE OVER THE LAST 8 YEARS.
NEVER GOING BACK TO WHAT GOT US 
IN TROUBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP.
>> SHE TALKS ABOUT SOLAR PANELS.
WE INVESTED IN THE SOLAR PANELS,
THEY LOST PLENTY OF MONEY ON 
THAT ONE.
LOOK, I AM A GREAT BELIEVER IN 
ALL FORMS OF ENERGY.
WE ARE PUTTING A LOT OF PEOPLE 
OUT OF WORK.
OUR ENERGY POLICIES ARE A 
DISASTER.
OUR COUNTRY IS LOSING SO MUCH IN
TERMS OF ENERGY AND IN TERMS OF 
PAYING OFF OUR DEBT.
YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING 
TO DO WITH 20 TRILLION IN DEBT.
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION FROM 
THE TIME THEY HAVE COME IN IS 
OVER 230 YEARS WORTH OF DEBT.
AND HE TOPPED IT.
HE HAS DOUBLED IT IN A COURSE OF
ALMOST 8 YEARS, 7 AND A HALF 
YEARS TO BE SEMI-EXACT.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS, WE HAVE TO
DO A MUCH BETTER JOB AT KEEPING 
OUR JOBS.
AND WE HAVE TO DO A MUCH BETTER 
JOB AT GIVING COMPANIES 
INCENTIVE TO BUILD NEW COMPANIES
OR TO EXPAND.
THEY ARE NOT DOING IT.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT 
MICHIGAN AND OHIO AND LOOK AT 
ALL THE PLACES WHERE SO MANY OF 
THEIR JOBS AND THEIR COMPANIES 
ARE JUST LEAVING.
THEY ARE GONE.
I ASK YOU THIS, YOU HAVE BEEN 
DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS.
WHY ARE YOU JUST THINKING ABOUT 
THESE SOLUTIONS RIGHT NOW?
FOR 30 YEARS YOU HAVE BEEN DOING
IT AND YOU ARE STARTING TO LOOK 
FOR SOLUTIONS.
I WILL BRING BACK JOBS.
YOU CAN'T BRING BACK JOBS.
>> ACTUALLY I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT
THIS QUITE A BIT.
>> Donald Trump: FOR 30 YEARS.
>> NOT QUITE THAT LONG.
I THINK MY HUSBAND DID A GOOD 
JOB IN THE 1990s.
I THINK ABOUT WHAT WORKED AND 
HOW WE CAN MAKE IT WORK AGAIN.
BRINGING IN NEW JOBS.
>> THE SINGLE WORST TRADE DEAL 
EVER APPROVED.
>> INCOME WENT UP FOR EVERYBODY.
MANUFACTURING JOBS WENT UP IN 
THE 1990s.
IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE 
FACTS.
WHEN I WAS IN THE SENATE, I HAD 
A NUMBER OF TRADE DEALS THAT 
CAME BEFORE ME.
I HELD THEM ALL TO THE SAME 
TEST.
WILL THEY CREATE JOBS IN 
AMERICA?
WILL THEY RAISE INCOMES IN 
AMERICA.
ARE THEY GOOD FOR OUR NATIONAL 
SECURITY.
SOME OF THEM I VOTED FOR.
THE BIGGEST ONE, A MULTINATIONAL
ONE KNOWN AS CAPTA I VOTED 
AGAINST.
BECAUSE I HOLD THE SAME 
STANDARDS AS I LOOK AT ALL OF 
THESE TRADE DEALS.
LET'S NOT ASSUME THAT TRADE IS 
THE ONLY CHALLENGE WE HAVE IN 
THE ECONOMY.
I THINK IT IS A PART OF IT.
I HAVE SAID WHAT I WILL DO.
I WILL HAVE A SPECIAL 
PROSECUTOR.
WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THE 
TRADE DEALS WE HAVE.
AND WE ARE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE 
ACCOUNTABLE.
WHEN I WAS SECRETARY OF STATE, 
WE INCREASED AMERICAN EXPORTS 
GLOBALLY 30%.
WE INCREASED THEM TO CHINA 50%.
SO I KNOW HOW TO REALLY WORK TO 
GET NEW JOBS AND TO GET EXPORTS 
THAT HELP TO CREATE MORE NEW 
JOBS.
>> Donald Trump: YOU HAVE NOT 
DONE IT IN 30 YEARS.
>> Hilary Clinton: I HAVE BEEN A
SENATOR.
I HAVE BEEN A SECRETARY OF 
STATE.
>> Donald Trump: YOUR HUSBAND 
SIGNED NAFTA.
>> THAT IS YOUR OPINION.
>> Donald Trump: YOU GO TO NEW 
ENGLAND AND OHIO, YOU GO WHERE 
YOU WANT, SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU
WILL SEE DEVASTATION WHERE 
MANUFACTURING IS DOWN, 30, 40, 
50%.
NAFTA IS THE WORST TRADE DEAL 
MAYBE EVER SIGNED ANYWHERE.
CERTAINLY SIGNED IN THE COUNTRY.
YOU WANT TO APPROVE 
TRANS-PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP.
YOU WERE IN FAVOUR OF IT AND YOU
HEARD WHAT I SAID.
YOU KNOW IF YOU DID WIN, YOU 
WOULD APPROVE THAT AND IT WOULD 
BE AS BAD AS NAFTA.
>> THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.
>> Donald Trump: YOU CALLED IT 
THE GOLD STANDARD OF TRADE 
DEALS.
THE FINEST DEAL AND YOU HEARD 
WHAT I SAID ABOUT IT AND ALL OF 
A SUDDEN YOU WERE AGAINST IT.
>> I KNOW YOU LIVE IN YOUR OWN 
REALITY, DONALD.
THAT IS NOT THE FACTS.
THE FACTS ARE, I DID SAY I HOPED
IT WOULD BE A GOOD DEAL.
WHEN IT WAS NEGOTIATED.
I WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR.
I CONCLUDED IT WASN'T.
I WROTE ABOUT THAT.
>> Donald Trump: IS IT PRESIDENT
OBAMA'S FAULT?
>> LOOK, THERE ARE -->> Donald 
Trump: IS IT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S 
FAULT?
>> THERE ARE DIFFERENT VIEWS 
ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD FOR OUR 
COUNTRY, OUR ECONOMY, AND OUR 
LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD.
AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO 
LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO 
GET THE ECONOMY GOING AGAIN.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID, NEW JOBS 
WITH RISING INCOMES, 
INVESTMENTS, NOT MORE TAX CUTS 
THAT ADD $5 TRILLION TO THE 
DEBT.
>> Donald Trump: YOU HAVE NO 
PLAN.
>> I DO.
>> Donald Trump: YOU HAVE NO 
PLAN.
>> YOU CAN PICK IT UP AT AN 
AIRPORT NEAR YOU.
WE NEED STRONG GROWTH.
FAIR GROWTH.
SUSTAINED GROWTH.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE HELP 
FAMILIES BALANCE THE 
RESPONSIBILITIES AT HOME AND THE
RESPONSIBILITIES AT BUSINESS.
WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST SET OF 
PLANS AND PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT 
BOTH OF OUR PLANS, HAVE 
CONCLUDED THAT MINE WOULD CREATE
10 MILLION JOBS AND YOURS WOULD 
LOSE US 3.5 MILLION JOBS: 
>> Donald Trump: YOU ARE GOING 
TO APPROVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST 
TAX CUTS IN HISTORY.
YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE ONE OF 
THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASES IN 
HISTORY.
YOU WILL DRIVE BUSINESS OUT.
YOUR REGULATIONS ARE A DISASTER,
AND YOU WILL INCREASE 
REGULATIONS ALL OVER THE PLACE 
AND BY THE WAY, MY TAX CUT IS 
THE BIGGEST SINCE RONALD REGAN.
I AM VERY PROUD OF IT.
IT WILL CREATE TREMENDOUS 
NUMBERS OF NEW JOBS.
REGULATIONS, YOU ARE GOING TO 
REGULATE THESE BUSINESSES OUT OF
EXISTENCE.
WHEN I GO AROUND, LESTER, I TELL
YOU THIS, I HAVE BEEN ALL OVER, 
AND WHEN I GO AROUND, DESPITE 
THE TAX CUT, THE THINGS THAT 
BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE LIKE THE 
MOST IS THE FACT THAT I AM 
CUTTING REGULATION.
YOU HAVE REGULATIONS ON TOP OF 
REGULATIONS, AND NEW COMPANIES 
CANNOT FORM AND OLD COMPANIES 
ARE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS AND 
YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE 
REGULATIONS AND MAKE THEM WORSE.
I AM GOING TO CUT REGULATIONS.
WHAT I AM GOING TO CUT TAXES AND
YOU WILL RAISE TAXES BIG LEAGUE.
END OF STORY.
>> Hillary Clinton: I ASSUMED 
THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF CHARGES 
AND CLAIMS.
WE HAVE TAKEN THE HOME PAGE OF 
MY WEBSITE AND TURNED IT INTO A 
FACT CHECKER, SO IF YOU WANT TO 
SEE IN REAL-TIME WHAT THE FACTS 
ARE, PLEASE GO AND TAKE A LOOK.
>> Donald Trump: TAKE A LOOK AT 
MINE ALSO.
>> Hillary Clinton: YOUR PLANS 
WOULD ADD $5 TRILLION TO THE 
DEBT.
MINE NOT A PENNY.
WHAT I PROPOSED WOULD CUT 
REGULATIONS AND STREAMLINE THEM 
FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
WHAT I HAVE PROPOSED WOULD BE 
PAID FOR BY RAISING THE TAXES ON
THE WEALTHY BECAUSE THEY HAVE 
MADE ALL THE GAINS IN THE 
ECONOMY.
AND I THINK IT IS TIME THAT THE 
WEALTHY AND CORPORATIONS PAID 
THEIR FAIR SHARE TO SUPPORT THE 
COUNTRY.
>> Lester: YOU OPENED THE NEXT 
SEGMENT.
>> Donald Trump: CAN I FINISH.
YOU GO TO HER WEBSITE AND LOOK 
AT HER WEBSITE, SHE IS GOING TO 
RAISE TAXES $1.3 TRILLION.
AND LOOK AT HER WEBSITE, YOU 
KNOW WHAT, IT IS NO DIFFERENT 
THAN THIS, SHE IS TELLING US HOW
TO FIGHT ISIS, GO TO HER 
WEBSITE, SHE TELLS YOU HOW TO 
FIGHT ISIS ON HER WEBSITE.
I DON'T THINK THE GENERAL WOULD 
LIKE THAT TOO MUCH.
>> Hillary Clinton: AT LEAST I 
HAVE A PLAN TO FIGHT ISIS.
>> Donald Trump: NO, NO, YOU ARE
TELLING THE ENEMY EVERYTHING YOU
WANT TO DO.
>> Hillary Clinton: NO WE ARE 
NOT.
>> Donald Trump: YOU ARE TELLING
THE ENEMY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
NO WONDER YOU HAVE BEEN FIGHTING
ISIS YOUR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.
>> Hillary Clinton: THE FACT 
CHECKERS, GET TO WORK.
>> Lester: WE ARE UNPACKING A 
LOT.
WE ARE ON THE ISSUE OF ACHIEVING
PROSPERITY.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TAXES.
THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE 
BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU CONCERNS 
THE WEALTHY, SECRETARY CLINTON, 
YOU ARE CALLING FOR A TAX 
INCREASE IN THE WEALTHIEST 
AMERICANS.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO FURTHER 
DEFEND THAT AND MR. TRUMP YOU 
ARE CALLING FOR TAX CUTS FOR THE
WEALTHY.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DEFEND THAT.
THE NEXT TWO MINUTE ANSWER TO 
YOU.
>> Donald Trump: I AM CALLING 
FOR MAJOR JOBS, THE WEALTHY WILL
CREATE TREMENDOUS JOBS.
THEY WILL EXPAND THEIR 
COMPANIES.
THEY WILL DO A TREMENDOUS JOB.
I AM GETTING RID OF THE CARRIED 
INTEREST PROVISION, AND IF YOU 
LOOK, IT IS NOT A TAX -- IT IS 
NOT A GREAT THING FOR THE 
WEALTHY, IT IS A GREAT THING FOR
MIDDLE CLASS.
IT IS A GREAT THING FOR 
COMPANIES TO EXPAND.
AND WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING 
TO PUT BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF 
DOLLARS INTO COMPANIES, AND WHEN
THEY ARE GOING TO BRING 
$2.5 TRILLION BACK FROM 
OVERSEAS, WHERE THEY CAN'T BRING
THE MONEY BACK BECAUSE 
POLITICIANS LIKE SECRETARY 
CLINTON WON'T ALLOW THEM TO 
BRING THE MONEY BACK BECAUSE THE
TAXES ARE SO ONEROUS AND THE 
BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE IS SO BAD.
WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS LEAVING 
OUR COUNTRY AND THEY ARE BELIEVE
IT OR NOT LEAVING BECAUSE TAXES 
ARE TOO HIGH.
SOME OF THEM HAVE A LOT OF MONEY
OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTRY.
INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT BACK AND 
PUTTING THE MONEY TO WORK 
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T WORK OUT A 
DEAL TO -- AND EVERYBODY AGREES 
IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK.
INSTEAD OF THAT, THEY ARE 
LEAVING OUR COUNTRY TO GET THEIR
MONEY.
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BRING THEIR 
MONEY BACK INTO OUR COUNTRY.
BECAUSE THE BUREAUCRATIC RED 
TAPE.
THEY CAN'T GET TOGETHER.
WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT CAN'T 
SIT THEM AROUND A TABLE AND GET 
THEM TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
HERE IS THE THING, REPUBLICANS 
AND DEMOCRATS AGREE THAT THIS 
SHOULD BE DONE.
2.5 TRILLION.
I HAPPEN TO THINK IT IS DOUBLE 
THAT.
IT IS PROBABLY $5 TRILLION THAT 
WE CAN'T BRING INTO OUR COUNTRY,
LESTER, AND WITH A LITTLE 
LEADERSHIP, YOU WOULD GET IT IN 
HERE VERY QUICKLY AND IT COULD 
BE PUT TO USE ON THE INNER 
CITIES AND A LOT OF OTHER 
THINGS.
IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL.
WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP.
HONESTLY, THAT STARTS WITH 
SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> Lester: YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES 
ON THE SAME QUESTION TO DEFEND 
TAX INCREASES OF THE WEALTHIEST 
AMERICANS.
>> Hillary Clinton: I HAVE A 
FEELING BY THE END OF THE 
EVENING, I WILL BE -- FOR 
EVERYTHING.
>> Donald Trump: WHY NOT?
>> Hillary Clinton: JUST JOIN 
THE DEBATE BY SAYING MORE CRAZY 
THINGS.
>> Donald Trump: THERE IS 
NOTHING CRAZY ABOUT NOT LETTING 
OUR COMPANIES BRING THEIR MONEY 
BACK INTO THEIR COUNTRY.
>> Lester: THIS IS SECRETARY 
CLINTON'S TWO MINUTES, PLEASE.
>> Hillary Clinton: LET'S START 
THE CLOCK AGAIN, LESTER.
WE HAVE LOOKED AT YOUR TAX 
PROPOSALS, I DON'T SEE CHANGES 
IN THE CORPORATE TAX RATES OR 
THE KINDS OF PROPOSALS YOU ARE 
REFERRING TO THAT WOULD CAUSE 
THE REPATRIATION BRINGING BACK 
OF MONEY THAT IS STRANDED 
OVERSEAS.
I HAPPEN TO SUPPORT THAT IN A 
WAY THAT WILL ACTUALLY WORK TO 
OUR BENEFIT.
BUT WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE
PROPOSED, YOU HAVE WHAT IS 
CALLED NOW THE TRUMP LOOPHOLE.
BECAUSE IT WOULD SO ADVANTAGE 
YOU AND THE BUSINESS YOU DO.
YOU HAVE PROPOSED -- THE TAX 
BENEFIT FOR YOUR FAMILY.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- IT IS AS
I SAY TRUMPED UP TRICKLE DOWN.
TRICKLE DOWN DID NOT WORK.
IT GOT US INTO THE MESS WE WERE 
IN 2008 AND 9.
SLASHING TAXES ON THE WEALTHY 
HAS NOT WORKED AND A LOT OF 
SMART WEALTHY PEOPLE KNOW THAT.
THEY ARE SAYING, HEY, WE NEED TO
DO MORE TO MAKE THE 
CONTRIBUTIONS WE SHOULD BE 
MAKING TO REBUILD THE MIDDLE 
CLASS.
I DON'T THINK TOP DOWN WORKS IN 
AMERICA.
I THINK BUILDING THE MIDDLE 
CLASS, INVESTING IN THE MIDDLE 
CLASS, MAKING COLLEGE DEBT FREE 
SO MORE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN GET 
THEIR EDUCATION.
HELPING PEOPLE REFINANCE THEIR 
DEBT FROM COLLEGE AT A LOWER 
RATE.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS 
THAT WILL REALLY BOOST THE 
ECONOMY.
BROAD-BASED INCLUSIVE GROWTH IS 
WHAT WE NEED IN AMERICA.
NOT MORE ADVANTAGES FOR PEOPLE 
AT THE VERY TOP.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP -- 
>> Donald Trump: ALL TALK, NO 
ACTION, SOUNDS GOOD, DOESN'T 
WORK, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
OUR COUNTRY IS SUFFERING BECAUSE
PEOPLE LIKE SECRETARY CLINTON 
HAVE MADE SUCH BAD DECISIONS IN 
TERMS OF OUR JOBS, IN TERMS OF 
WHAT IS GOING ON.
NOW, LOOK, WE HAVE THE WORST 
REVIVAL OF AN ECONOMY SINCE THE 
GREAT DEPRESSION.
AND BELIEVE ME, WE ARE IN A 
BUBBLE RIGHT NOW.
THE ONLY THING THAT LOOKS GOOD 
IS THE STOCK MARKET.
IF YOU RAISE INTEREST RATES, 
EVEN A LITTLE BIT, THAT WILL 
COME CRASHING DOWN.
WE ARE IN A BIG, FAT UGLY 
BUBBLE.
WE BETTER BE AWFULLY CAREFUL AND
WE HAVE A FED THAT IS DOING 
POLITICAL THINGS, THIS JANET 
YELLIN OF THE FED.
THEY ARE DOING A POLITICAL THING
BY KEEPING THE INTEREST RATES AT
THIS LEVEL.
WHEN BARAK OBAMA LEAVES AND GOES
TO THE GOLF COURSE FOR THE REST 
OF HIS LIFE TO PLAY GOLF.
WHEN THEY RAISE INTEREST RATES, 
WE WILL SEE BAD THINGS HAPPEN.
THE FED IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB.
THE FED IS BEING MORE POLITICAL 
THAN SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP, WE ARE 
TALKING ABOUT THE BURDEN THAT 
AMERICANS HAVE TO PAY.
YOU HAVE NOT RELEASED YOUR TAX 
RETURNS.
THE NOMINEES HAVE RELEASED THEIR
RETURNS FOR DECADES IS SO VOTERS
WILL KNOW IF THE POTENTIAL 
PRESIDENT OWES MONEY, AND WHO TO
AND ANY BUSINESS CONFLICTS.
DON'T AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO 
KNOW IF THERE ARE CONFLICTS OF 
INTEREST?
>> Donald Trump: I AM UNDER A 
ROUTINE AUDIT.
IT WILL BE RELEASED.
AS SOON AS THE AUDIT IS 
FINISHED.
IT WILL BE RELEASED.
YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT DONALD 
TRUMP BY GOING TO THE FEDERAL 
ELECTIONS WHERE I FILED A 104 
PAGE, ESSENTIALLY FINANCIAL 
STATEMENT OF SORTS, THE FORMS 
THAT THEY HAVE, IT SHOWS INCOME,
IN FACT THE INCOME, I JUST 
LOOKED TODAY, THE INCOME IS 
FILED AT $694 MILLION FOR THIS 
PAST YEAR.
694 MILLION.
IF YOU TOLD ME I WOULD MAKE THAT
15 OR 20 YEARS AGO, I WOULD BE 
VERY SURPRISED.
THAT IS THE KIND OF THINKING OUR
COUNTRY NEEDS.
WHEN WE HAVE A COUNTRY THAT IS 
BEING RIPPED OFF BY EVERY SINGLE
COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, IT IS THE 
KIND OF THINKING THAT OUR 
COUNTRY NEEDS BECAUSE EVERYBODY,
LESTER, WE HAVE A TRADE DEFICIT 
WITH ALL OF THE COUNTRIES THAT 
WE DO BUSINESS WITH, OF ALMOST 
$800 BILLION A YEAR.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THAT 
MEANS WHO IS NEGOTIATING THESE 
TRADE DEALS?
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE 
POLITICAL HACKS NEGOTIATING OUR 
TRADE DEALS.
>> Lester: THE IRS SAID THE 
AUDIT OF YOUR TAXES, YOU ARE 
PERFECTLY FREE TO RELEASE YOUR 
TAXES DURING AN AUDIT.
DOES THE PUBLIC RIGHT TO KNOW 
OUT WEIGH YOUR PERSONAL 
>> Donald Trump: I WILL RELEASE 
THEM AFTER THE AUDIT.
I KNOW A LOT OF WEALTHY PEOPLE 
WHO WERE AUDITED.
I HAVE BEEN AUDITED ALMOST EVERY
YEAR.
I AM NOT COMPLAINING.
I DON'T MIND IT.
IT IS A WAY OF LIFE.
I WILL SAY THIS, WE HAVE A 
SITUATION IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT 
HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
I WILL RELEASE MY TAX RETURNS 
AGAINST MY LAWYER'S WISHES.
WHEN SHE RELEASES HER 33,000 
E-MAILS THAT HAVE BEEN DELETED.
AS SOON AS SHE RELEASES THEM, I 
WILL RELEASE -- I WILL RELEASE 
MY TAX RETURNS.
THAT IS AGAINST MY LAWYERS, THEY
SAY DON'T DO IT.
I WILL TELL THIS, WATCHING THE 
SHOWS, READING THE PAPERS, 
ALMOST EVERYONE SAYS YOU DON'T 
RELEASE THE RETURNS UNTIL THE 
AUDIT IS COMPLETE.
WHEN IT IS COMPLETE, I WILL DO 
IT.
I WOULD GO AGAINST THEM IF SHE 
RELEASES HER E-MAILS.
>> Lester: NEGOTIABLE?
>> Donald Trump: WHY DID SHE 
DELETE 33,000 -- 
>> Lester: I WILL LET HER 
ANSWER.
I WILL ADMONISH THE AUDIENCE.
WE ASK YOU TO BE SILENT.
SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> Hillary Clinton: YOU HAVE 
SEEN AN EXAMPLE OF BAIT AND 
SWITCH HERE.
FOR 40 YEARS, EVERYONE RUNNING 
FOR PRESIDENT HAS RELEASED THEIR
TAX RETURNS.
YOU CAN GO AND SEE REALLY, I 
THINK, 39, 40 YEARS OF OUR TAX 
RETURNS.
EVERYONE HAS DONE IT.
WE KNOW THE IRS HAS MADE CLEAR, 
THERE IS NO PROHIBITION ON 
RELEASING IT WHEN YOU ARE UNDER 
AUDIT.
YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WHY 
WON'T HE RELEASE HIS TAX 
RETURNS.
THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OF 
REASONS, FIRST, MAYBE HE IS NOT 
AS RICH AS HE SAYS HE IS.
SECOND, MAYBE HE IS NOT AS 
CHARITABLE AS HE CLAIMS TO BE.
THIRD, WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF HIS 
BUSINESS DEALINGS, BUT WE HAVE 
BEEN TOLD THROUGH INVESTIGATIVE 
REPORTING THAT HE OWES ABOUT 
$650 MILLION TO WALL STREET AND 
FOREIGN BANKS.
OR MAYBE, HE DOESN'T WANT THE 
AMERICAN PEOPLE, ALL OF YOU 
WATCHING TONIGHT, TO KNOW THAT 
HE IS PAID NOTHING IN FEDERAL 
TAXES.
THE ONLY YEARS THAT ANYBODY HAS 
EVER SEEN WERE A COUPLE OF YEARS
WHEN HE HAD TO TURN THEM OVER TO
STATE AUTHORITIES WHEN HE WAS 
TRYING TO GET A CASINO LICENCE 
AND THEY SHOWED HE DIDN'T PAY 
ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAX.
THAT MEANS ZERO FOR TROOPS, ZERO
FOR VETS, ZERO FOR SCHOOLS OR 
HEALTH.
I THINK PROBABLY HE IS NOT THAT 
ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HAVING THE 
REST OF OUR COUNTRY SEE WHAT THE
REAL REASONS ARE BECAUSE IT MUST
BE SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT, 
EVEN TERRIBLE THAT HE IS TRYING 
TO HIDE.
AND THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE 
STATEMENTS, THEY DON'T GIVE YOU 
THE TAX RATE.
THEY DON'T GIVE YOU ALL THE 
DETAILS THE TAX RETURNS WOULD.
IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT, THIS 
IS SOMETHING THAT THE AMERICAN 
PEOPLE DESERVE TO SEE.
I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT
HE IS EVER GOING TO RELEASE HIS 
TAX RETURNS BECAUSE THERE IS 
SOMETHING HE IS HIDING.
WE WILL GUESS, WE WILL KEEP 
GUESSING WHAT HE MAY BE HIDING.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, WERE HE
EVER TO GET NEAR THE WHITE 
HOUSE, WHAT WOULD BE THE 
CONFLICTS?
WHO DOES HE OWE MONEY TO?
WELL, HE OWES, YOU ANSWER IS THE
ANSWER TO THAT.
HE SHOULD PROVIDE THEM.
>> Lester: HE RAISED THE ISSUE 
OF YOUR E-MAILS.
DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT?
>> Hillary Clinton: I DO.
I MADE A MISTAKE USING A PRIVATE
E-MAIL.
IF I HAD TO DO IT AGAIN, I WOULD
DO IT DIFFERENTLY.
I WILL NOT MAKE EXCUSES.
IT WAS A MISTAKE AND I TAKE 
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP.
>> Donald Trump: THAT WAS MORE 
THAN A MISTAKE.
THAT WAS DONE PURPOSELY.
THAT WAS NOT A MISTAKE.
THAT WAS DONE PURPOSELY.
WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR STAFF TAKING 
THE FIFTH AMENDMENT, TAKING THE 
FIFTH SO THEY ARE NOT 
PROSECUTED, WHEN YOU HAVE THE 
MAN THAT SET UP THE ILLEGAL 
SERVER TAKING THE FIFTH, I THINK
IT IS DISGRACEFUL.
AND BELIEVE ME, THIS COUNTRY 
REALLY THINKS IT IS DISGRACEFUL 
ALSO.
AS FAR AS MY TAX RETURNS, YOU 
DON'T LEARN MUCH FROM TAX 
RETURNS.
I CAN TELL YOU.
YOU LEARN A LOT FROM FINANCIAL 
DISCLOSURE.
YOU SHOULD GO DOWN AND TAKE A 
LOOK AT THAT.
THE OTHER THING, I AM EXTREMELY 
UNDER LEVERAGED.
THE REPORT THAT SAID 650 BY THE 
WAY, A LOT OF FRIENDS OF MINE 
THAT KNOW MY BUSINESS SAY, 
THAT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
IT IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE IN 
QUESTION, THEY ARE IN THE SAME 
REPORT, ACTUALLY IT WASN'T A BAD
STORY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE
BUILDINGS ARE WORTH 
$3.9 BILLION.
AND THE 650 IS NOT EVEN THAT.
IT IS NOT 650.
IT IS MUCH LESS THAN THAT.
I COULD GIVE YOU A LIST OF BANKS
IF THAT WOULD HELP YOU.
I WOULD GIVE YOU A LIST OF 
BANKS.
THESE ARE FINE INSTITUTIONS, 
VERY FINE BANKS.
I CAN DO THAT QUICKLY.
I AM VERY UNDER LEVERAGED.
I HAVE A GREAT COMPANY AND A 
TREMENDOUS INCOME.
THE REASON I SAY THAT IS NOT 
BRAGGING, IT IS BECAUSE IT IS 
ABOUT TIME THAT THIS COUNTRY HAD
SOMEBODY RUNNING IT THAT HAS AN 
IDEA ABOUT MONEY.
WE HAVE $20 TRILLION IN DEBT.
OUR COUNTRY IS A MESS.
IT IS ONE THING TO HAVE 20 
TRILLION IN DEBTS AND OUR ROADS 
ARE GOOD AND OUR BRIDGES ARE 
GOOD AND EVERYTHING IS IN GREAT 
SHAPE, OUR AIRPORTS, OUR 
AIRPORTS ARE LIKE FROM A THIRD 
WORLD COUNTRY.
YOU LAND AT KENNEDY, YOU LAND AT
LAX AND NEWARK.
YOU COME IN FROM DUBAI AND QATAR
AND YOU SEE THIS INCREDIBLE, AND
CHINA, YOU SEE INCREDIBLE 
AIRPORTS.
YOU LAND -- WE HAVE BECOME A 
THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
SO THE WORST OF ALL THINGS THAT 
HAPPENED, WE OWE $20 TRILLION, 
AND WE ARE A MESS.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED.
AND WE HAVE SPENT $6 TRILLION IN
THE MIDDLE EAST ACCORDING TO A 
REPORT THAT I JUST SAW.
WHETHER IT IS 6 OR 5, IT LOOKS 
LIKE IT IS 6.
$6 TRILLION IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
WE COULD HAVE REBUILT OUR 
COUNTRY TWICE.
AND IT IS REALLY A SHAME.
IT IS POLITICIANS LIKE SECRETARY
CLINTON THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS 
PROBLEM.
OUR COUNTRY HAS TREMENDOUS 
PROBLEMS.
WE ARE A DEBTOR NATION, A 
SERIOUS DEBTOR NATION.
WE HAVE A COUNTRY THAT NEEDS NEW
BRIDGES, ROADS, SCHOOLS, 
HOSPITALS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY BECAUSE 
IT HAS BEEN SQUANDERED ON YOUR 
IDEAS.
>> Hillary Clinton: MAYBE IT IS 
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT PAID ANY 
FEDERAL INCOME TAX FOR A LOT OF 
YEARS.
AND THE OTHER THING I THINK IS 
IMPORTANT -- 
>> Donald Trump: IT WOULD BE 
SQUANDERED.
>> Hillary Clinton: IF YOUR 
CLAIM TO BE PRESIDENT IS YOUR 
BUSINESS, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT 
THAT.
YOU KNOW, YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGER 
SAID THAT YOU BUILT A LOT OF 
BUSINESSES ON THE BACKS OF 
LITTLE GUYS.
AND INDEED, I HAVE MET A LOT OF 
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE STIFFED BY 
YOU AND YOUR BUSINESSES, DONALD.
I HAVE MET DISH WASHERS, 
PAINTERS, ARCHITECTS, GLASS 
INSTALLERS, MARBLE INSTALLERS, 
DRAPERY INSTALLERS LIKE MY DAD 
WAS WHO YOU REFUSE TO PAY WHEN 
THEY FINISHED THE WORK.
THAT YOU ASKED THEM TO DO.
WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT IN THE 
AUDIENCE WHO DESIGNED ONE OF 
YOUR CLUBHOUSES AT ONE OF YOUR 
GOLF COURSES.
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.
IT IMMEDIATELY WAS PUT TO USE.
AND YOU WOULDN'T PAY WHAT THE 
MAN NEEDED TO BE PAID, WHAT HE 
WAS CHARGING.
>> Donald Trump: MAYBE HE DID 
NOT DO A GOOD JOB AND I WAS 
UNSATISFIED WITH HIS WORK.
WHICH THE COUNTRY SHOULD DO.
>> Hillary Clinton: THERE ARE 
THOUSAND OF PEOPLE YOU STIFFED 
NOT DESERVE SOME KIND OF APOLOGY
FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS TAKEN THEIR
LABOUR, TAKEN THE GOODS THAT 
THEY PRODUCED AND THEN REFUSED 
TO PAY THEM.
I CAN ONLY SAY THAT I AM 
CERTAINLY RELIEVED THAT MY LATE 
FATHER NEVER DID BUSINESS WITH 
YOU.
HE PROVIDED A GOOD MIDDLE CLASS 
LIFE FOR US.
THE PEOPLE HE WORKED FOR, HE 
EXPECTED THE BARGAIN TO BE KEPT 
ON BOTH SIDES.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT YOUR 
BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TAKEN 
BUSINESS BANKRUPTCY 6 TIMES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT 
BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER 
TAKEN BANKRUPTCY ONCE.
YOU CALL YOURSELF THE KING OF 
DEBT.
YOU TALK ABOUT LEVERAGE, YOU 
EVEN AT ONE TIME SUGGESTED THAT 
YOU WOULD TRY TO NEGOTIATE DOWN 
THE NATIONAL DEBT OF THE UNITED 
STATES.
WELL, SOMETIMES, THERE IS NOT A 
DIRECT TRANSFER OF SKILLS FROM 
BUSINESS TO GOVERNMENT, BUT 
SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENED IN 
BUSINESS WOULD BE REALLY BAD FOR
GOVERNMENT.
>> Donald Trump: I THINK -- 
LOOK, IT IS ALL WORDS.
IT IS ALL SOUND BITES.
I BUILT AN UNBELIEVABLE COMPANY.
SOME OF THE GREATEST ASSETS 
ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, REAL 
ESTATE ASSETS ANYWHERE IN THE 
WORLD BEYOND THE UNITED STATES 
AND EUROPE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT 
PLACES.
IT IS AN UNBELIEVABLE COMPANY.
BUT ON OCCASION, FOUR TIMES, WE 
USED CERTAIN LAWS THAT ARE THERE
AND WHEN SECRETARY CLINTON TALKS
ABOUT PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T GET 
PAID, FIRST OF ALL, THEY DID GET
PAID A LOT.
BUT TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE LAWS 
OF THE NATION.
IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE LAWS, 
YOU HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME,
CHANGE THE LAWS.
I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LAWS OF 
THE NATION BECAUSE I AM RUNNING 
A COMPANY.
MY OBLIGATION RIGHT NOW IS TO DO
WELL FOR MYSELF, MY FAMILY, MY 
EMPLOYEES, FOR MY COMMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT I DO.
WHAT SHE DOES NOT SAY THE TENS 
OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE 
UNBELIEVEABLY HAPPY AND THAT 
LOVE ME.
I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
WE ARE JUST OPENING UP ON 
PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, RIGHT NEXT 
TO THE WHITE HOUSE, IF I DON'T 
GET THERE ONE WAY, I WILL GET TO
PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE ANOTHER.
BUT WE ARE OPENING THE OLD POST 
OFFICE.
UNDER BUDGET, AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
SAVE TREMENDOUS MONEY.
I AM A YEAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNTRY SHOULD 
BE DOING.
WE BUILD ROADS, OF COURSE, TWO 
AND THREE AND FOUR TIMES WHAT 
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO COST.
WE BUY PRODUCTS FOR OUR MILITARY
AND THEY ARE SO FAR ABOVE THE 
COSTS.
WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO KNOW 
WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET, IT 
IS BAD TO A LARGE EXTENT, 
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PEOPLE WHO 
HAVE NO IDEA AS TO WHAT TO DO 
AND HOW TO BUY.
THE TRUMP INTERNATIONAL IS WAY 
UNDER BUDGET AND WAY AHEAD OF 
SCHEDULE.
AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT
FOR OUR COUNTRY.
>> Lester: WE ARE BEHIND 
SCHEDULE.
I WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT SEGMENT 
TALKING ABOUT AMERICA'S 
DIRECTION.
LET'S TALK ABOUT RACE.
A SHARE OF AMERICANS WHO SAY 
RACE RELATIONS ARE BAD IN THIS 
COUNTRY IS THE HIGHEST IT HAS 
BEEN IN DECADES.
MUCH OF IT AMPLEIFIED BY 
SHOOTING OF AFRICAN AMERICANS BY
POLICE.
AS WE SAW RECENTLY IN CHARLOTTE 
AND TULSA.
RACE HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE IN THE
CAMPAIGN.
ONE OF YOU IS GOING TO HAVE TO 
BRIDGE A VERY WIDE AND BITTER 
GAP.
HOW DO YOU HEAL THE DIVIDE?
SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU GET TWO 
MINUTES ON THIS.
>> Hillary Clinton: YOU ARE 
RIGHT.
RACE REMAINS A SIGNIFICANT 
CHALLENGE IN OUR COUNTRY.
UNFORTUNATELY RACE DETERMINES 
TOO MUCH.
OFTEN DETERMINES WHERE PEOPLE 
LIVE.
DETERMINES WHAT KIND OF 
EDUCATION IN THEIR PUBLIC 
SCHOOLS THEY CAN GET.
AND YES, IT DETERMINES HOW THEY 
ARE TREATED IN THE CRIMINAL 
JUSTICE SYSTEM.
WE HAVE JUST SEEN THE TWO TRAGIC
EXAMPLES IN BOTH TULSA AND 
CHARLOTTE.
AND WE HAVE TO DO SEVERAL THINGS
AT THE SAME TIME.
WE HAVE TO RESTORE TRUST BETWEEN
COMMUNITIES AND THE POLICE.
WE HAVE TO WORK TO MAKE SURE 
THAT OUR POLICE ARE USING THE 
BEST TRAINING, THE BEST 
TECHNIQUES, THAT THEY ARE WELL 
PREPARED TO USE FORCE ONLY WHEN 
NECESSARY.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE RESPECTED BY 
THE LAW AND EVERYONE SHOULD 
RESPECT THE LAW.
RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT THE CASE 
IN A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD.
SO I HAVE EVER SINCE THE FIRST 
DAY OF MY CAMPAIGN CALLED FOR 
CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.
I HAVE LAID OUT A PLATFORM THAT 
I THINK WOULD BEGIN TO REMEDY 
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN 
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
WE ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IN 
ADDITION TO THE CHALLENGES THAT 
WE FACE WITH POLICING, THERE ARE
SO MANY GOOD POLICE OFFICERS WHO
EQUALLY WANT REFORM.
SO WE HAVE TO BRING COMMUNITIES 
TOGETHER IN ORDER TO BEGIN 
WORKING ON THAT AS A MUTUAL 
GOAL.
WE HAVE TO GET GUNS OUT OF THE 
HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NOT 
HAVE THEM.
THE GUN EPIDEMIC IS THE LEADING 
CAUSE OF DEATH OF YOUNG 
AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN.
MORE THAN THE NEXT 9 CLAUSES PUT
TOGETHER.
WE HAVE TO DO TWO THINGS.
WE HAVE TO RESTORE TRUST, WE 
HAVE TO WORK WITH THE POLICE, WE
HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY RESPECT 
THE COMMUNITIES AND THE 
COMMUNITIES RESPECT THEM.
AND WE HAVE TO TACKLE THE PLAGUE
OF GUN VIOLENCE WHICH IS A BIG 
CONTRIBUTOR TO A LOT OF THE 
PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE SEEING 
TODAY.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP, HOW DO YOU
HEAL THE DIVIDE?
>> Donald Trump: SECRETARY 
CLINTON DOESN'T WANT TO USE A 
COUPLE OF WORDS.
THAT IS LAW AND ORDER.
WE NEED LAW AND ORDER.
IF WE DON'T HAVE IT, WE WILL NOT
HAVE A COUNTRY.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING
ON IN CHARLOTTE, THE CITY I 
LOVE, THE CITY WHERE I HAVE 
INVESTMENTS, WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT
IS GOING ON THROUGHOUT VARIOUS 
PARTS OF OUR COUNTRY AND WHETHER
IT -- I CAN JUST KEEP NAMING 
THEM ALL DAY LONG.
WE NEED LAW AND ORDER IN OUR 
COUNTRY.
I JUST GOT TODAY THE -- AS YOU 
KNOW THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE 
FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE, IT 
JUST CAME IN.
WE HAVE ENDORSEMENTS FROM I 
THINK ALMOST EVERY POLICE GROUP.
A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THEM IN 
THE UNITED STATES.
WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE 
HAVE OUR INNER CITIES, AFRICAN 
AMERICANS, HISPANICS ARE LIVING 
IN HELL BECAUSE IT IS SO 
DANGEROUS.
YOU WALK DOWN THE STREET, YOU 
GET SHOT.
IN CHICAGO, THEY HAVE HAD 
THOUSANDS OF SHOOTINGS, 
THOUSANDS SINCE JANUARY 1ST.
THOUSANDS OF SHOOTINGS.
AND IS THIS A WAR-TORN COUNTRY?
WHAT ARE WE DOING?
WE HAVE TO STOP THE VIOLENCE.
WE HAVE TO BRING BACK LAW AND 
ORDER IN A PLACE LIKE CHICAGO 
WHERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE -- 
THOUSANDS OVER THE LAST NUMBER 
OF YEARS.
IN FACT ALMOST 4,000 HAVE BEEN 
KILLED SINCE BARAK OBAMA BECAME 
PRESIDENT.
ALMOST 4,000 PEOPLE IN CHICAGO 
HAVE BEEN KILLED.
WE HAVE TO BRING BACK LAW AND 
ORDER.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT IN A PLACE 
LIKE CHICAGO YOU DO STOP AND 
FRISK WHICH WORKED WELL, THE 
MAYOR GUILIANI IS HERE, IT 
BROUGHT THE CRIME RATE WAY DOWN.
YOU TAKE THE GUN AWAY FROM 
CRIMINALS THAT SHOULDN'T BE 
HAVING IT.
WE HAVE GANGS ROAMING THE 
STREET, AND IN MANY CASES, THEY 
ARE ILLEGALLY HERE.
THEY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
THEY HAVE GUNS AND SHOOT PEOPLE.
WE HAVE TO BE STRONG.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY VIGILANT.
WE HAVE TO -- WE HAVE TO KNOW 
WHAT WE ARE DOING.
RIGHT NOW, OUR POLICE IN MANY 
CASES ARE AFRAID TO DO ANYTHING.
WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR INNER 
CITIES BECAUSE AFRICAN-AMERICAN 
COMMUNITIES ARE BEING DECIMATED 
BY CRIME.
>> Lester: YOUR TWO MINUTES 
EXPIRED.
I WANT TO FOLLOW UP, STOP AND 
FRISK IS RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL 
IN NEW YORK BECAUSE IS LARGELY 
SINGLED OUT BLACK AND HISPANIC 
YOUNG MEN.
>> Donald Trump: YOU ARE WRONG.
IT WENT BEFORE A JUDGE WHO IS 
VERY AGAINST POLICE JUDGE.
IT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM HER AND 
OUR MAYOR, OUR NEW MAYOR WHO 
REFUSED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE 
CASE WOULD HAVE WON ON APPEAL.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THROUGHOUT 
THE COUNTRY, THERE ARE MANY 
PLACES -- 
>> Lester: THE ARGUMENT IS IT IS
A FORM OF RACIAL PROFILE.
>> Donald Trump: WE HAVE TO TAKE
THE GUNS AWAY FROM BAD PEOPLE 
WHO HAVE THEM.
THESE ARE FELONIES THAT ARE BAD 
PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN'T BE -- WHEN
YOU HAVE 3,000 SHOOTINGS IN 
CHICAGO, FROM JANUARY 1ST, WHEN 
YOU HAVE 4,000 PEOPLE KILLED IN 
CHICAGO BY GUNS FROM THE 
BEGINNING OF THE PRESIDENCY OF 
BARAK OBAMA, YOU HAVE TO STOP 
AND FRISK.
YOU NEED MORE POLICE.
YOU NEED A BETTER COMMUNITY, YOU
KNOW, RELATIONS.
YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD COMMUNITY 
RELATIONS IN CHICAGO, IT IS 
TERRIBLE.
I HAVE PROPERTY THERE.
IT IS TERRIBLE WHAT IS GOING ON 
IN CHICAGO.
WHEN YOU LOOK -- CHICAGO IS NOT 
THE ONLY ONE.
YOU GO TO FERGUSON AND OTHER 
PLACES.
YOU NEED BETTER RELATIONSHIPS, I
AGREE WITH SECRETARY CLINTON, 
YOU NEED BETTER RELATIONSHIPS 
BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES AND THE 
POLICE.
IN SOME CASES IT IS NOT GOOD.
YOU LOOK AT DALLAS, WHERE THE 
RELATIONSHIPS WERE STUDIED, THE 
RELATIONSHIPS WERE REALLY A 
BEAUTIFUL THING, AND THEN FIVE 
POLICE OFFICERS WERE KILLED ONE 
NIGHT VERY VIOLENTLY.
THERE ARE BAD THINGS GOING ON.
REALLY BAD THINGS.
LESTER, WE NEED LAW AND ORDER.
WE NEED LAW AND ORDER IN THE 
INNER CITIES BECAUSE THE PEOPLE 
THAT ARE MOST AFFECTED BY WHAT 
IS HAPPENING ARE 
AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND HISPANIC 
PEOPLE.
IT IS VERY UNFAIR TO THEM WHAT 
OUR POLITICIANS ARE ALLOWING TO 
HAPPEN.
>> Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> Hillary Clinton: WELL, I HAVE
HEARD DONALD SAY THIS AT HIS 
RALLIES AND IT IS REALLY 
UNFORTUNATE THAT HE PAINTS SUCH 
A DIRE, NEGATIVE PICTURE OF 
BLACK COMMUNITIES IN OUR 
COUNTRY.
THE VIBRANCY OF THE BLACK 
CHURCH, THE BLACK BUSINESSES 
THAT EMPLOY SO MANY PEOPLE, THE 
OPPORTUNITIES THAT SO MANY 
FAMILIES ARE WORKING TO PROVIDE 
FOR THEIR KIDS.
THERE IS A LOT THAT WE SHOULD BE
PROUD OF, AND WE SHOULD BE 
SUPPORTING AND LIFTING UP.
BUT WE DO ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE 
SURE WE KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.
THERE ARE THE RIGHT WAYS OF 
DOING IT AND THEN THERE ARE WAYS
THAT ARE INEFFECTIVE.
STOP AND FRISK WAS FOUND TO BE 
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
AND IN PART BECAUSE IT WAS 
INEFFECTIVE.
IT DID NOT DO WHAT IT NEEDED TO 
DO.
NOW, I BELIEVE IN COMMUNITY 
POLICING.
AND IN FACT, VIOLENT CRIME IS 
1-HALF OF WHAT IT WAS IN 1991.
PROPERTY CRIME IS DOWN 40%.
WE JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE IT 
CREEP BACK UP.
WE HAD 25 YEARS OF GOOD 
COOPERATION.
TOO MANY MEN ENDED UP IN JAIL 
FOR NON-VIOLENT OFFENCES.
IT IS JUST A FACT IF YOU ARE A 
YOUNG AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN AND 
YOU DO THE SAME THING AS A YOUNG
WHITE MAN, YOU ARE MORE LIKELY 
TO BE ARRESTED, CHARGED, 
CONVICTED, AND INCARCERATED.
WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE SYSTEMIC 
RACISM IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE 
SYSTEM.
WE CANNOT JUST SAY LAW AND 
ORDER, WE HAVE TO COME FORWARD 
WITH A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO 
DIVERT PEOPLE FROM THE CRIMINAL 
JUSTICE SYSTEM, DEAL WITH 
MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES 
WHICH HAVE PUT TOO MANY PEOPLE 
AWAY FOR TOO LONG FOR DOING TOO 
LITTLE.
WE NEED TO HAVE MORE SECOND 
CHANCE PROGRAMS.
I AM GLAD THAT WE ARE ENDING 
PRIVATE PRISONS IN THE FEDERAL 
SYSTEM.
I WANT TO SEE THEM ENDED IN THE 
STATE SYSTEM.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROFIT 
MOTIVATION TO FILL PRISON CELLS 
WITH YOUNG AMERICANS.
THERE ARE SOME POSITIVE WAYS WE 
CAN WORK ON THIS.
I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT COMMON 
SENSE GUN SAFETY MEASURES WOULD 
ASSIST US.
RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS SOMETHING
DONALD HAS SUPPORTED ALONG WITH 
THE GUN LOBBY RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE
TOO MANY MILITARY-STYLE WEAPONS 
ON THE STREETS.
IN A LOT OF PLACES OUR POLICE 
ARE OUT GUNNED.
WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE BACKGROUND
ECONOMICS AND WE NEED TO KEEP 
GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF THOSE 
WHO WILL DO HARM AND WE FINALLY 
NEED TO PASS A PROHIBITION ON 
ANYONE WHO IS ON THE TERRORIST 
WATCH LIST FROM BEING ABLE TO 
BUY A GUN IN OUR COUNTRY.
IF YOU ARE TOO DANGEROUS TO FLY,
YOU ARE TOO DANGEROUS TO BUY A 
GUN.
THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO AND 
OUGHT TO DO IT IN A BIPARTISAN 
WAY.
>> Lester: LAST WEEK YOU SAID WE
HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE 
TO IMPROVE POLICING -- DO YOU 
BELIEVE THE POLICE ARE 
IMPLICITLY BIASSED AGAINST BLACK
PEOPLE.
>> Hillary Clinton: I THINK IT 
IS A PROBLEM WITH EVERYONE, NOT 
JUST POLICE.
I THINK UNFORTUNATELY TOO MANY 
OF US IN OUR GREAT COUNTRY JUMP 
TO CONCLUSIONS ABOUT EACH OTHER.
AND THEREFORE I THINK WE NEED 
ALL OF US TO BE ASKING HARD 
QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY 
AM I FEELING THIS WAY.
WHEN IT COMES TO POLICING, SINCE
IT CAN HAVE LITERALLY FATAL 
CONSEQUENCES, I HAVE SAID IN MY 
FIRST BUDGET, WE WOULD PUT MONEY
INTO THAT BUDGET TO HELP US DEAL
WITH IMPLICIT BIAS BY RETRAINING
A LOT OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
I HAVE MET WITH A GROUP OF VERY 
DISTINGUISHED EXPERIENCED POLICE
CHIEFS A FEW WEEKS AGO.
THEY ADMIT IT IS AN ISSUE.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN.
MENTAL HEALTH IS ONE OF THE 
BIGGEST CONCERNS BECAUSE NOW 
POLICE ARE HAVING TO HANDLE A 
LOT OF REALLY DIFFICULT MENTAL 
HEALTH PROBLEMS ON THE STREET.
THEY WANT SUPPORT.
THEY WANT MORE TRAINING, THEY 
WANT MORE ASSISTANCE.
AND I THINK THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT COULD BE IN A 
POSITION WHERE WE WOULD OFFER 
AND PROVIDE THAT.
>> Donald Trump: I WOULD LIKE TO
RESPOND.
FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE AND A LOT 
OF PEOPLE EVEN WITHIN MY EMPLOY 
WANT TO GIVE CERTAIN RIGHTS TO 
PEOPLE ON WATCH LISTS AND NO FLY
LISTS.
I AGREE WITH YOU.
WHEN A PERSON IS ON A WATCH LIST
OR A NO-FLY LIST AND I HAVE THE 
ENDORSEMENT OF THE NRA WHICH I 
AM PROUD OF.
THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND ARE 
PROTECTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK VERY 
STRONGLY AT NO FLY LISTS AND 
WATCH LISTS AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE 
ON THERE, EVEN IF SHOULDN'T BE 
ON THERE, WE WILL HELP THEM 
LEGALLY GET OFF.
I AGREE WITH THAT STRONGLY.
I WANT TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT
YOU WERE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP
SUPER PREDATOR ABOUT YOUNG BLACK
YOUTH.
THAT IS A TERM THAT I THINK WAS 
A -- IT HAS BEEN HORRIBLY -- YOU
HAVE APOLOGIZED FOR IT.
I THINK IT WAS A TERRIBLE THING 
TO SAY.
WHEN IT COMES TO -- YOU ARE 
TALKING ABOUT TAKING GUNS AWAY.
I AM TALKING ABOUT TAKING GUNS 
AWAY FROM GANGS AND PEOPLE THAT 
USE THEM.
I DON'T THINK YOU DISAGREE WITH 
ME ON THIS, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW 
THE TRUTH, I THINK MAYBE THERE 
IS A POLITICAL REASON WHY YOU 
CAN'T SAY IT.
IN NEW YORK CITY, STOP AND 
FRISK, WE HAD 2,200 MURDERS AND 
STOP AND FRISK BROUGHT IT DOWN 
TO 500 MURDERS.
500 MURDERS IS A LOT OF MURDERS.
WE WENT TO 500.
IT WAS CONTINUED BY MAYOR 
BLOOMBERG AND TERMINATED BY THE 
CURRENT MAYOR.
STOP AND FRISK HAD AN IMPACT ON 
THE SAFETY OF NEW YORK CITY.
TREMENDOUS BEYOND BELIEF.
WHEN YOU SAY IT HAS NO IMPACT.
IT REALLY DID.
IT HAD A BIG IMPACT.
>> Hillary Clinton: IT IS FAIR 
TO SAY IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK 
ABOUT MAYORS THAT UNDER THE 
CURRENT MAYOR CRIME HAS 
CONTINUED TO DROP INCLUDING 
MURDERS.
NEW YORK HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT 
JOB.
I GIVE CREDIT ACROSS THE BOARD 
GOING BACK TO MAYORS AND POLICE 
CHIEFS.
IT HAS WORKED.
OTHER COMMUNITIES NEED TO COME 
TOGETHER TO DO WHAT WILL WORK AS
WELL.
LOOK ONE MURDER IS TOO MANY.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LEARN 
ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE 
AND NOT GO TO THINGS THAT SOUND 
GOOD THAT REALLY DID NOT HAVE 
THE KIND OF IMPACT THAT WE WOULD
WANT.
WHO DISAGREES WITH KEEPING 
NEIGHBOURHOODS SAFE.
LET'S ALSO ADD, NO ONE SHOULD 
DISAGREE ABOUT RESPECTING THE 
RIGHTS OF YOUNG MEN WHO LIVE IN 
THOSE NEIGHBOURHOODS.
SO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF
WORKING AGAIN WITH THE 
COMMUNITIES, FAITH COMMUNITIES, 
BUSINESS COMMUNITIES, AS WELL AS
THE POLICE TO TRY TO DEAL WITH 
THE PROBLEMS.
>> Lester: THIS CONVERSATION IS 
ABOUT RACE.
MR. TRUMP -- 
>> Donald Trump: I WOULD LIKE TO
RESPOND.
>> Lester: PLEASE RESPOND.
>> Donald Trump: THE 
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY HAS 
BEEN LET DOWN BY POLITICIANS.
THEY TALK GOOD AROUND ELECTION 
TIME AND AFTER THE ELECTION, 
THEY SAY SEE YOU LATER, WE WILL 
SEE YOU IN FOUR YEARS.
THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN -- LOOK, 
THE COMMUNITY WITHIN THE INNER 
CITIES HAS BEEN SO BADLY 
TREATED, THEY HAVE BEEN ABUSED 
AND USED IN ORDER TO GET VOTES 
BY DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS BECAUSE 
THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
THEY HAVE CONTROLLED THE 
COMMUNITIES FOR UP TO 100 YEARS.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP -- 
>> Donald Trump: I WILL TELL 
YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE INNER 
CITIES, I LEFT DETROIT AND 
PHILADELPHIA, I HAVE BEEN ALL 
OVER THE PLACE.
YOU DECIDED TO STAY HOME.
THAT'S OKAY.
I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE BEEN ALL
OVER.
I HAVE MET SOME OF THE GREATEST 
PEOPLE I WILL EVER MEET WITHIN 
THESE COMMUNITIES.
THEY ARE VERY, VERY UPSET WITH 
WHAT THEIR POLITICIANS HAVE TOLD
THEM AND WHAT THEIR POLITICIANS 
HAVE DONE.
>> Hillary Clinton: I THINK 
DONALD JUST CRITICIZED ME FOR 
PREPARING FOR THIS DEBATE.
AND YES, I DID.
YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I PREPARED 
FOR.
I PREPARED TO BE PRESIDENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP, FOR FIVE 
YEARS, YOU PERPETUATED A FALSE 
CLAIM THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT
AN AMERICAN BORN CITIZEN.
YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE 
PRESIDENT WAS BORN IN THE UNITED
STATES.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT TOOK YOU SO
LONG?
>> Donald Trump: JUST SIMPLE TO 
SAY, WORKING FOR THE CAMPAIGN, A
VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF SECRETARY 
CLINTON, AND HER CAMPAIGN 
MANAGER PATTY DOYLE WENT TO -- 
DURING HER CAMPAIGN AGAINST 
PRESIDENT OBAMA, FOUGHT VERY 
HARD AND YOU CAN LOOK IT UP AND 
YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT AND IF YOU 
LOOK AT CNN THIS PAST WEEK, SHE 
WAS ON WOLF BLITZER SAYING THIS 
HAPPENED.
A HIGHLY RESPECTED REPORTER WAS 
SENT TO KENYA TO FIND OUT ABOUT 
IT.
THEY WERE PRESSING HARD.
SHE FAILED TO GET THE BIRTH 
CERTIFICATE.
WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, I DID NOT 
FAIL.
I GOT HIM TO GIVE THE BIRTH 
CERTIFICATE.
I AM SATISFIED WITH IT.
I WILL TELL YOU WHY I AM 
SATISFIED WITH IT.
I WANT TO GET ON TO DEFEATING 
ISIS.
I WANT TO GET ON TO CREATING 
JOBS.
I WANT TO GETTING ON TO HAVE A 
STRONG BORDER.
I WANT TO GET ON TO THINGS THAT 
ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND 
THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE 
COUNTRY.
>> Lester: I WILL LET YOU 
RESPOND.
I WANT TO GET THE ANSWER HERE.
THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS 
PRODUCED IN 2011.
YOU CONTINUED TO TELL THE STORY 
AND QUESTION THE PRESIDENT'S 
LEGITIMACY IN 2012, 2013, 2014, 
AND AS RECENTLY AS JANUARY.
WHAT CHANGED YOUR MIND?
>> Donald Trump: NOBODY WAS 
PRESSING IT AND NOBODY WAS 
CARING MUCH ABOUT IT.
I FIGURED YOU WOULD ASK THE 
QUESTION.
NOBODY WAS CARING MUCH ABOUT IT.
I WAS THE ONE THAT GOT HIM TO 
PRODUCE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
I THINK I DID A GOOD JOB.
SECRETARY CLINTON ALSO FOUGHT 
IT.
I MEAN, NOW EVERYBODY -- SHE 
WILL SAY THAT IS NOT TRUE.
IT IS TRUE.
THE REPORTER WAS SENT.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT CNN, LAST 
WEEK, THE INTERVIEW WITH YOUR 
FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER AND SHE 
WAS INVOLVED.
JUST LIKE SHE CAN'T BRING BACK 
JOBS, SHE CAN'T PRODUCE.
>> Lester: I WILL LET YOU TO 
RESPOND.
THERE IS A LOT THERE.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RACIAL 
HEALING IN THE SEGMENT.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS -- 
>> Donald Trump: I SAY NOTHING 
BECAUSE I GOT HIM TO PRODUCE IT.
HE SHOULD HAVE PRODUCED IT A 
LONG TIME BEFORE.
I SAY NOTHING.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HEALING, I 
THINK THAT I HAVE DEVELOPED 
VERY, VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIPS 
OVER THE LAST LITTLE WHILE WITH 
THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT.
AND I FEEL THAT THEY REALLY 
WANTED ME TO COME TO THAT 
CONCLUSION AND I THINK I DID A 
GREAT JOB AND A GREAT SERVICE, 
NOT ONLY FOR THE COUNTRY BUT 
EVEN FOR THE PRESIDENT IN 
GETTING HIM TO PRODUCE HIS BIRTH
CERTIFICATE.
>> Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> Hillary Clinton: JUST LISTEN 
TO WHAT YOU HEAR.
HE TRIED TO PUT THE WHOLE RACIST
BIRTHER LIE TO BED.
IT CAN'T BE DISMISSED THAT 
EASILY.
HE HAS REALLY STARTED HIS 
POLITICAL ACTIVITY BASED ON THIS
RACIST LIE THAT OUR FIRST BLACK 
PRESIDENT WAS NOT AN AMERICAN 
CITIZEN.
THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE FOR IT.
HE PERSISTED YEAR AFTER YEAR, 
BECAUSE SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS, 
SOME OF THE PEOPLE HE WAS TRYING
TO BRING NO HIS FOLD BELIEVED IT
OR WANTED TO BELIEVE IT.
REMEMBER, DONALD STARTED HIS 
CAREER BACK IN 1973 BEING SUED 
BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FOR 
RACIAL DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE HE
WOULD NOT RENT APARTMENTS IN ONE
OF HIS DEVELOPMENTS TO 
AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND HE MADE 
SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED 
FOR HIM UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS THE 
POLICY.
HE ACTUALLY WAS SUED TWICE BY 
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
HE HAS A LONG RECORD OF ENGAGING
IN RACIST BEHAVIOUR.
THE BIRTHER LIE WAS A VERY 
HURTFUL ONE.
BARAK OBAMA IS A MAN OF GREAT 
DIGNITY.
I COULD TELL HOW MUCH IT 
BOTHERED HIM AND ANNOYED HIM 
THAT THIS WAS BEING TOUTED AND 
USED AGAINST HIM.
I LIKE TO REMEMBER WHAT MICHELLE
OBAMA SAID IN HER AMAZING SPEECH
AT OUR DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL 
CONVENTION, WHEN THEY GO LOW, WE
GO HIGH.
AND BARAK OBAMA WENT HIGH 
DESPITE DONALD TRUMP'S BEST 
EFFORTS TO BRING HIM DOWN.
>> Lester: YOU CAN RESPOND.
>> Donald Trump: I GOT TO WATCH 
SOME OF YOUR DEBATES AGAINST 
BARAK OBAMA, YOU TREATED HIM 
WITH TERRIBLE DISRESPECT.
I WATCHED THE WAY YOU TALK NOW 
ABOUT HOW LOVELY EVERYTHING IS.
AND HOW WONDERFUL YOU ARE.
IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
YOU WERE AFTER HIM.
YOU WERE TRYING TO -- YOUR 
CAMPAIGN SENT OUT PICTURES OF 
HIM IN A CERTAIN GARB, FAMOUS 
PICTURES, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN 
DENY THAT.
LAST WEEK, YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGER
SAID IT WAS TRUE.
WHEN YOU TRY TO ACT HOLIER THAN 
THOU, IT DOESN'T WORK.
AS FAR AS THE LAWSUIT, I HAD MY 
FATHER'S -- WE ALONG WITH OTHER 
COMPANIES WERE SUED.
WE SETTLED THE SUIT WITH ZERO, 
WITH NO ADMISSION OF GUILT.
IT WAS VERY EASY TO DO.
THEY SUED A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I NOTICE THE NASTY COMMERCIALS 
YOU DO ON ME.
I DON'T DO ON YOU.
MAYBE I AM TRYING TO SAVE THE 
MONEY.
I LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, ISN'T IT
AMAZING BECAUSE I SETTLED THAT 
LAWSUIT WITH NO ADMISSION OF 
GUILT.
THAT WAS A LAWSUIT BROUGHT 
AGAINST MANY REAL ESTATE FIRMS.
IT IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
I WILL GO ONE STEP FURTHER, IN 
PALM BEACH, FLORIDA, A TOUGH 
COMMUNITY, A BRILLIANT 
COMMUNITY, A WEALTHY COMMUNITY, 
PROBABLY THE WEALTHIEST 
COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD, I OPENED
A CLUB AND NO DISCRIMINATION 
AGAINST AFRICAN AMERICANS, 
AGAINST MUSLIMS, AGAINST 
ANYBODY.
IT IS A TREMENDOUSLY SUCCESSFUL 
CLUB.
I AM SO GLAD I DID IT.
I HAVE BEEN GIVEN GREAT CREDIT 
FOR WHAT I DID.
I AM VERY, VERY PROUD OF IT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL.
THAT IS THE TRUE WAY I FEEL.
>> Lester: THE NEXT SEGMENT IS 
CALLED SECURING AMERICA.
WE WANT TO START WITH A 21 
CENTURY WAR HAPPENING EVERY DAY 
IN THE COUNTRY.
OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE UNDER 
CYBERATTACK.
AND OUR SECRETS ARE BEING 
STOLEN.
MY QUESTION IS, WHO IS BEHIND 
IT?
AND HOW DO WE FIGHT IT?
SECRETARY CLINTON, THE ANSWER TO
YOU.
>> Hillary Clinton: I THINK 
CYBERSECURITY, CYBERWARFARE IS 
ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES 
FACING THE NEXT PRESIDENT.
CLEARLY, WE ARE FACING AT THIS 
POINT TWO DIFFERENT KINDS, THERE
ARE THE INDEPENDENT HACKING 
GROUP DOING IT FOR COMMERCIAL 
REASONS, TRYING TO STEAL 
INFORMATION THEY CAN USE TO MAKE
MONEY.
BUT INCREASINGLY, WE ARE SEEING 
CYBERATTACKS COMING FROM STATES.
THE MOST RECENT AND TROUBLING OF
THESE HAS BEEN RUSSIA.
THERE IS NO DOUBT NOW, THAT 
RUSSIA HAS USED CYBERATTACKS 
AGAINST ALL KINDS OF 
ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COUNTRY.
I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT 
THIS.
I KNOW DONALD IS VERY 
PRAISEWORTHY OF VLADIMIR PUTIN.
PUTIN IS A PLAYING A TOUGH LONG 
GAME HERE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE HAS 
DONE IS TO LET LOOSE 
CYBERATTACKERS TO HACK INTO 
PERSONAL FILES AND THE 
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE.
WE RECENTLY HAVE LEARNED THAT, 
YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS ONE OF 
THEIR PREFERRED METHODS OF 
TRYING TO REEK HAVOC AND COLLECT
INFORMATION.
WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHETHER
IT IS RUSSIA, CHINA, IRAN OR 
ANYBODY ELSE, THE UNITED STATES 
HAS MUCH GREATER CAPACITY.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO SIT IDLY BY 
AND PERMIT STATE ACTORS TO GO 
AFTER OUR INFORMATION.
OUR PRIVATE SECTOR INFORMATION 
OR OUR PUBLIC SECTOR 
INFORMATION.
AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE
IT CLEAR THAT WE DON'T WANT TO 
USE THE KINDS OF TOOLS THAT WE 
HAVE.
WE DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE IN A 
DIFFERENT KIND OF WARFARE.
WE WILL DEFEND THE CITIZENS OF 
THIS COUNTRY.
THE RUSSIANS NEED TO UNDERSTAND 
THAT.
THEY ARE TREATING IT AS A PROBE,
HOW FAR WILL WE GO, HOW MUCH 
WILL WE DO.
I WAS SO SHOCKED WHEN DONALD 
PUBLICLY INVITED PUTIN TO HACK 
INTO AMERICANS.
THAT IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE.
IT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY 50 
NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS HAVE
SAID THAT DONALD IS UNFIT TO BE 
THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
IT IS COMMENTS LIKE THAT THAT 
REALLY WORRY PEOPLE WHO 
UNDERSTAND THE THREATS THAT WE 
FACE.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP, YOU HAVE 
TWO MINUTES ON THE SAME 
QUESTION.
>> Donald Trump: I DO WANT TO 
SAY I WAS JUST ENDORSED AND MORE
ARE COMING THIS WEEK, OVER 200 
ADMIRALS AND GENERALS ENDORSED 
ME TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY.
THAT JUST HAPPENED AND MANY MORE
ARE COMING.
I AM PROUD.
I WAS ENDORSED BY -- I WAS JUST 
ENDORSED, 16,500 BORDER PATROL 
AGENTS.
WHEN SECRETARY CLINTON TALKS 
ABOUT THIS, I WILL TALK THE 
ADMIRAL AND I WILL TAKE THE 
GENERALS ANY DAY OVER THE 
POLITICAL HACKS THAT I SEE THAT 
HAVE LED OUR COUNTRY SO 
BRILLIANTLY OVER THE LAST TEN 
YEARS WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE.
LOOK AT THE MESS WE ARE IN.
LOOK AT THE MESS WE ARE IN.
AS FAR AS THE CYBER, I AGREE, TO
PARTS OF WHAT SECRETARY CLINTON 
SAID, WE SHOULD BE BETTER THAN 
ANYBODY ELSE.
PERHAPS WE ARE NOT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS IT 
IS RUSSIA.
SHE SAID RUSSIA, RUSSIA.
MAYBE IT WAS.
IT COULD BE RUSSIA, IT COULD BE 
CHINA.
IT COULD BE LOTS OF OTHER 
PEOPLE.
IT COULD BE SOMEBODY SITTING ON 
THEIR BED THAT WEIGHS 400 
POUNDS.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHO BROKE IN TO 
DNC.
WHAT DID WE LEARN?
WE LEARNED THAT BERNIE SANDERS 
WAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY YOUR 
PEOPLE.
BY DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ.
BERNIE SANDERS WAS TAKEN 
ADVANTAGE OF.
WHETHER THAT WAS RUSSIA, WHETHER
THIS WAS CHINA, WHETHER IT WAS 
ANOTHER COUNTRY, WE DON'T KNOW.
BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS UNDER 
PRESIDENT OBAMA, WE HAVE LOST 
CONTROL OF THINGS THAT WE USED 
TO HAVE CONTROL OVER.
WE CAME IN WITH THE INTERNET.
WE CAME UP WITH THE INTERNET.
AND I THINK SECRETARY CLINTON 
AND MYSELF WOULD AGREE VERY MUCH
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT ISIS IS 
DOING WITH THE INTERNET, THEY 
ARE BEATING US AT OUR OWN GAME.
WE HAVE TO GET VERY, VERY TOUGH 
ON CYBER AND CYBERWARFARE.
I HAVE A SON WHO IS 10 YEARS 
OLD.
HE IS SO GOOD WITH THE 
COMPUTERS, IT IS UNBELIEVABLE.
THE SECURITY ASPECT OF CYBER IS 
VERY, VERY TOUGH.
AND MAYBE IT IS HARDLY DOABLE, 
BUT I WOULD SAY, WE ARE NOT 
DOING THE JOB WE SHOULD BE 
DOING.
THAT IS TRUE THROUGHOUT OUR 
WHOLE GOVERNMENTAL SOCIETY.
WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS WE HAVE 
TO DO BETTER.
CYBER IS ONE OF THEM.
>> Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> Hillary Clinton: THERE ARE A 
NUMBER OF ISSUES TO ADDRESS.
I HAVE PUT FORWARD A PLAN IT 
DEFEAT ISIS.
IT DOES INVOLVE GOING AFTER THEM
ONLINE.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO MUCH MORE.
WITH OUR TECH COMPANIES TO 
PREVENT ISIS AND THEIR 
OPERATIVES FROM BEING ABLE TO 
USE THE INTERNET, TO RADICALIZE,
EVEN DIRECT PEOPLE IN OUR 
COUNTRY AND EUROPE AND 
ELSEWHERE.
WE ALSO HAVE TO INTENSIFY OUR 
AIR STRIKES AGAINST ISIS, AND 
EVENTUALLY SUPPORT OUR ARAB AND 
KURDISH PARTNERS TO BE ABLE TO 
ACTUALLY TAKE OUT ISIS IN RAQQA.
WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS, OUR 
MILITARY IS ASSISTING IN IRAQ.
AND WE ARE HOPING THAT WITHIN 
THE YEAR, WE WILL BE ABLE TO 
PUSH ISIS OUT OF IRAQ AND THEN 
REALLY SQUEEZE THEM IN SYRIA.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF 
THE FACT THEY HAD FOREIGN 
FIGHTERS COMING TO VOLUNTEER FOR
THEM, FOREIGN MONEY, FOREIGN 
WEAPONS, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS
THE TOP PRIORITY.
I WOULD ALSO DO EVERYTHING 
POSSIBLE TO TAKE OUT THEIR 
LEADERSHIP.
I WAS INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF 
EFFORTS TO TAKE OUT AL-QAEDA 
LEADERSHIP WHEN I WAS SECRETARY 
OF STATE INCLUDING, OF COURSE, 
TAKING OUT OSAMA BIN LADEN.
WE NEED TO GO AFTER BAGHDADI AS 
WELL.
MAKE THAT ONE OF OUR ORGANIZING 
PRINCIPLES.
WE HAVE GOT TO DEFEAT ISIS AND 
WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN 
TO DISRUPT THEIR PROPAGANDA 
EFFORTS ON-LINE.
>> Lester: YOU MENTION ISIS.
WE THINK AS ISIS AS OVER THERE.
THERE ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO 
HAVE INSPIRED TO COMMIT ACTS OF 
TERROR ON AMERICAN SOIL.
THE LATEST INCIDENT THE BOMBINGS
WE SAW IN NEW YORK AND NEW 
JERSEY, THE KNIFE ATTACK AT A 
MALL IN MINNESOTA AND THE DEADLY
ATTACKS IN SAN BERNARDINO AN 
ORLANDO.
HOW WOULD YOU PREVENT HOME-GROWN
ATTACKS BY AMERICAN CITIZENS?
>> Donald Trump: I HAVE TO SAY 
ONE THING THAT IS VERY 
IMPORTANT.
SECRETARY CLINTON IS TALKING 
ABOUT TAKING OUT ISIS.
WE WILL TAKE OUT ISIS.
WELL, PRESIDENT OBAMA AND 
SECRETARY CLINTON CREATED A 
VACUUM THE WAY THEY GOT OUT OF 
IRAQ.
THEY GOT OUT -- THEY SHOULDN'T 
HAVE BEEN IN.
ONCE THEY GOT IN, THE WAY THEY 
GOT OUT WAS A DISASTER.
AND ISIS WAS FORMED.
SHE TALKS ABOUT TAKING THEM OUT.
SHE HAS BEEN TRYING TO TAKE THEM
OUT FOR A LONG TIME.
THEY WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE BEEN 
FORMED IF THEY LEFT SOME TROOPS 
BEHIND LIKE 10,000 OR MAYBE 
SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT.
AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD 
THEM.
OR AS I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR A 
LONG TIME AND I THINK YOU WILL 
AGREE BECAUSE I SAID IT TO YOU 
ONCE, HAD WE TAKEN THE OIL, WE 
SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE OIL, ISIS 
WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FORM
EITHER BECAUSE THE OIL WAS THEIR
PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME.
NOW, THEY HAVE THE OIL ALL OVER 
THE PLACE INCLUDING THE OIL, A 
LOT OF THE OIL IN LIBYA WHICH 
WAS ANOTHER ONE OF HER 
DISASTERS.
>> Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> Hillary Clinton: I HOPE THE 
FACT CHECKERS ARE TURNING UP THE
VOLUME AND REALLY WORKING HARD.
DONALD SUPPORTED THE INVASION OF
IRAQ.
>> Donald Trump: WRONG.
>> Hillary Clinton: THAT IS 
PROVED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
>> Donald Trump: WRONG.
>> Hillary Clinton: HE ADVOCATED
FOR THE ACTIONS WE TOOK IN LIBYA
AND URGED THAT GADHAFI BEING 
TAKEN OUT AFTER DOING BUSINESS 
WITH HIM.
THE LARGER POINT, HE SAYS THIS 
CONSTANTLY IS GEORGE W. BUSH 
MADE THE AGREEMENT ABOUT WHEN 
AMERICAN TROOPS WOULD LEAVE 
IRAQ.
NOT BARAK OBAMA.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT AMERICAN 
TROOPS COULD HAVE STAYED IN IRAQ
IS TO GET AN AGREEMENT FROM THE 
THEN IRAQI GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD
HAVE PROTECTED OUR TROOPS.
AND THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT WOULD 
NOT GIVE THAT.
BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 
QUESTION YOU ASKED, LESTER, THE 
QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE HERE IN 
THE UNITED STATES, THAT IS THE 
MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS.
HOW DO WE PREVENT ATTACKS?
HOW DO WE PROTECT OUR PEOPLE?
AND I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE 
AN INTELLIGENT SURGE WHERE WE 
ARE LOOKING FOR EVERY SCRAP OF 
INFORMATION.
I WAS SO PROUD OF LAW 
ENFORCEMENT IN NEW YORK, IN 
MINNESOTA, IN NEW JERSEY, THEY 
RESPONDED TO QUICKLY, SO 
PROFESSIONALLY TO THE ATTACKS 
THAT OCCURRED BY RAHAMI AND THEY
BROUGHT HIM DOWN.
THEY MAY FOUND OUT MORE 
INFORMATION BECAUSE HE IS STILL 
ALIVE.
IT MAY PROVE TO BE AN 
INTELLIGENCE BENEFIT.
WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN 
TO VACUUM UP INTELLIGENCE FROM 
EUROPE, FROM THE MIDDLE EAST, 
THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO WORK MORE 
CLOSELY WITH OUR ALLIES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DONALD
HAS BEEN VERY DISMISSIVE OF.
WE ARE WORKING WITH NATO, THE 
LONGEST MILITARY ALLIANCE IN THE
HISTORY OF THE WORLD TO REALLY 
TURN OUR ATTENTION TO TERRORISM.
WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR FRIENDS 
IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
MANY OF WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, ARE 
MUSLIM MAJORITY NATIONS, DONALD 
HAS CONSISTENTLY INSULTED 
MUSLIMS ABROAD, MUSLIMS AT HOME.
WHEN WE NEED TO BE COOPERATING 
WITH MUSLIM NATIONS AND WITH THE
AMERICAN MUSLIM COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE ON THE FRONT LINES.
THEY CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION TO 
US THAT WE MIGHT NOT GET 
ANYWHERE ELSE.
THEY NEED TO HAVE CLOSE WORKING 
COOPERATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT
IN THESE COMMUNITIES.
NOT BE ALIENATED AND PUSHED AWAY
AS SOME OF DONALD'S RHETORIC, 
UNFORTUNATELY, HAS LED TO.
>> Donald Trump: I HAVE TO 
RESPOND.
>> Lester: PLEASE RESPOND.
>> Donald Trump: THE SECRETARY 
SAID VERY STRONGLY ABOUT WORKING
WITH.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM 
FOR MANY YEARS.
WE HAVE THE GREATEST MESS ANYONE
HAS SEEN.
YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE EAST, IT 
IS A TOTAL MESS.
UNDER YOUR DIRECTION TO A LARGE 
EXTENT.
YOU STARTED THE IRAN DEAL.
THAT IS ANOTHER BEAUTY WHEN YOU 
HAVE A COUNTRY THAT WAS READY TO
FALL, THEY WERE DOING SO BADLY.
THEY WERE CHOKING ON THE 
SANCTIONS.
NOW, THEY WILL BE ACTUALLY 
PROBABLY A MAJOR POWER AT SOME 
POINT PRETTY SOON THE WAY THEY 
ARE GOING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- I WAS ASKED 
ON A MAJOR SHOW, WHAT DO YOU 
THINK OF NATO.
I AM A BUSINESS PERSON.
I HAVE COMMON SENSE.
I SAID, WELL, I WILL TELL YOU, I
HAVE GIVEN A LOT OF NATO.
TWO THINGS, NUMBER ONE, THE 28 
COUNTRIES, MANY OF THEM ARE NOT 
PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE.
NUMBER TWO, AND IT BOTHERS ME 
BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE ASKED, WE 
ARE DEFENDING THEM AND THEY 
SHOULD BE PAYING US WHAT THEY 
ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING BY 
TREATY AND CONTRACT.
AND NUMBER TWO, I SAID AND VERY 
STRONGLY, NATO COULD BE 
OBSOLETE, I WAS STRONG WITH THIS
AND IT WAS COVERED ACCURATELY IN
THE NEW YORK TIMES, IT IS USUAL 
FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES TO BE 
HONEST.
THEY DO NOT FOCUS ON -- I SAID 
IT NUMEROUS TIMES.
ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO, I READ ON
THE FRONT PAGE THAT NATO IS 
OPENING UP A MAJOR TERROR 
DIVISION.
I THINK THAT IS GREAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD GET, BECAUSE 
WE ARE PAYING APPROXIMATELY 73% 
OF THE COST OF NATO, IT IS A LOT
OF MONEY TO PROTECT OTHER 
PEOPLE.
I AM ALL FOR NATO.
I SAID THEY HAVE TO FOCUS ON 
TERROR ALSO.
THAT WAS, BELIEVE ME, I WILL NOT
GET CREDIT FOR IT.
IT WAS LARGELY BECAUSE OF WHAT I
WAS SAYING, AND MY CRITICISM OF 
NATO.
I THINK WE HAVE TO GET NATO TO 
GO INTO THE MIDDLE EAST WITH US 
IN ADDITION TO SURROUNDING 
NATIONS AND WE HAVE TO KNOCK THE
HELL OUT OF ISIS AND WE HAVE TO 
DO IT FAST.
WHEN ISIS FORMED IN THIS VACUUM,
CREATE THE BY BARAK OBAMA AND 
SECRETARY CLINTON AND, BELIEVE 
ME, YOU ARE THE ONES THAT TOOK 
OUT THE TROOPS, NOT ONLY THAT --
THEY COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.
THEY SAT BACK AND PROBABLY 
SAID -- 
>> Hillary Clinton: WE 
COVERED -- 
>> Donald Trump: IT SHOULD HAVE 
NEVER HAPPENED.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT
ISIS.
YOU WERE THERE AND YOU WERE 
SECRETARY OF STATE WHEN IT WAS A
LITTLE INFANT.
NOW, IT IS AN OVER 30 COUNTRIES.
YOU WILL STOP THEM?
I DON'T THINK SO.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP, A LOT OF 
THESE ARE JUDGMENT QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE SUPPORTED THE WAR IN 
IRAQ BEFORE THE INVASION.
WHAT MAKES -- 
>> Donald Trump: I DID NOT 
SUPPORT A WAR IN IRAQ.
THAT IS A MAINSTREAM MEDIA 
NONSENSE PUT OUT BY HER BECAUSE 
SHE FRANKLY, I THINK, THE BEST 
PERSON IN HER CAMPAIGN IS 
MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
>> Lester: MY QUESTION IS -- 
>> Donald Trump: I WAS AGAINST 
THE WAR IN IRAQ.
>> Lester: THE RECORD SHOWS 
OTHERWISE.
>> Donald Trump: THE RECORD 
SHOWS I AM RIGHT.
WHEN I DID AN INTERVIEW WITH 
HOWARD STERN, FIRST TIME ANYONE 
ASKED ME THAT, I SAID VERY 
LIGHTLY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, 
WHO KNOWS, ESSENTIALLY.
I THEN DID AN INTERVIEW AND WE 
TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMY, I 
TALKED SHAWN HANADY, I HAD 
NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS WITH 
SHAWN FROM FOX.
HE CALLED ME THE OTHER DAY, AND 
I SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT IT, HE 
SAID, YOU WERE TOTALLY AGAINST 
THE WAR.
HE WAS FOR THE WAR.
AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE WAR 
STARTED.
SHAWN SAID VERY STRONGLY, TO ME 
AND OTHER PEOPLE, HE IS WILLING 
TO SAY, NOBODY WANTS TO CALL 
HIM.
I WAS AGAINST THE WAR.
HE SAID YOU USED TO HAVE FIGHTS 
WITH ME.
SHAWN WAS IN FAVOUR OF THE WAR.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SIDE ALSO.
NOT VERY MUCH BECAUSE WE SHOULD 
HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE.
NOBODY CALLED SHAWN HANADY.
THEY DID AN ARTICLE IN A MAJOR 
MAGAZINE AFTER THE WAR STARTED, 
I THINK IN '04, BUT THEY DID AN 
ARTICLE WHICH HAD ME TOTALLY 
AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ.
AND ONE OF YOUR COMPATRIOTS 
SAID, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS 
BEFORE OR RIGHT AFTER, TRUMP -- 
IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE THERE IS
NO DOUBT.
IF ANYBODY AND I WILL ASK THE 
PRESS, IF SOMEBODY WOULD CALL UP
SHAWN HANADY, THIS WAS BEFORE 
THE WAR STARTED, WE USED TO HAVE
ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE WAR.
I SAID IT IS A TERRIBLE AND A 
STUPID THING.
IT IS GOING TO DESTABILIZE THE 
MIDDLE EAST.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT HAS 
DONE.
>> Lester: THE REFERENCE WHAT 
YOU SAID IN 2002.
MY QUESTION WAS -- WHY IS YOUR 
JUDGMENT DIFFERENT THAN MRS. 
CLINTONS.
>> I HAVE BETTER JUDGMENT THAN 
SHE HAS.
I HAVE A BETTER TEMPERAMENT THAN
SHE HAS.
YOU KNOW.
I HAVE A MUCH BETTER -- SHE 
SPENT, LET ME TELL YOU, SHE 
SPENT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF 
DOLLARS ON AN ADVERTISING, YOU 
KNOW, THEY GET MADISON AVENUE TO
YOUR ROOM, TEMPERAMENT, LET'S GO
AFTER.
MY STRONGEST ASSET, MAYBE BY FAR
IS MY TEMPERAMENT.
I HAVE A WINNING TEMPERAMENT.
I KNOW HOW TO WIN.
SHE DOES NOT.
THE OTHER DAY, HIM THE BLUE 
SCREEN, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU 
WERE TALKING TO SECRETARY 
CLINTON, YOU WERE TOTALLY OUT OF
CONTROL.
I SAID THERE IS THE PERSON WITH 
A TEMPERAMENT THAT HAS A 
PROBLEM.
>> Lester: SECRETARY CLINTON.
>> Hillary Clinton: OKAY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT TWO IMPORTANT 
ISSUES THAT WERE BRIEFLY 
MENTIONED BY DONALD.
YOU KNOW, NATO AS A MILITARY 
ALLIANCE HAS SOMETHING CALLED 
ARTICLE 5.
AND BASICALLY IT SAYS THIS: 
AN ATTACK ON ONE IS AN ATTACK ON
ALL.
AND YOU KNOW THE ONLY TIME IT 
HAS BEEN INVOKED AFTER 9/11 WHEN
THE 28 NATIONS OF NATO SAID THAT
THEY WOULD GO TO AFGHANISTAN 
WITH US TO FIGHT TERRORISM.
SOMETHING THAT THEY STILL ARE 
DOING BY OUR SIDE.
WITH RESPECT TO IRAN, WHEN I 
BECAME SECRETARY OF STATE, IRAN 
WAS WEEKS AWAY FROM HAVING 
ENOUGH NUCLEAR MATERIAL TO FORM 
A BOMB.
THEY HAD MASTERED THE NUCLEAR 
FUEL CYCLE UNDER THE BUSH 
ADMINISTRATION, THEY HAD BUILT 
COVERT FACILITIES, THEY STOCKED 
THEM WITH CENTRIFUGES THAT WERE 
WHIRLING AWAY.
WE HAD SANCTIONED THEM.
I VOTED FOR EVERY SANCTION 
AGAINST IRAN WHEN I WAS IN THE 
SENATE.
IT WASN'T ENOUGH.
I SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF 
PUTTING TOGETHER A COALITION 
THAT INCLUDED RUSSIA AND CHINA 
TO IMPOSE THE TOUGHEST SANCTIONS
ON IRAN.
WE DID DRIVE THEM TO THE 
NEGOTIATING TABLE.
AND MY SUCCESSOR JOHN KERRY AND 
PRESIDENT OBAMA GOT A DEAL THAT 
PUT A LID ON IRAN'S NUCLEAR 
PROGRAM.
WITHOUT FIRING A SINGLE SHOT.
THAT'S DIPLOMACY.
THAT IS COALITION BUILDING.
THAT IS WORKING WITH OTHER 
NATIONS.
THE OTHER DAY, I SAW DONALD 
SAYING THAT THERE WERE SOME 
IRANIAN SAILORS ON A SHIP IN THE
WATERS OFF OF IRAN AND WERE 
TAUNTING AMERICAN SAILORS WHO 
WERE ON A NEARBY SHIP.
HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THEY 
TAUNTED OUR SAILORS, I WOULD 
BLOW THEM OUT OF THE WATER AND 
START ANOTHER WAR.
THAT'S NOT GOOD JUDGMENT.
THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT 
TEMPERAMENT TO BE COMMANDER IN 
CHIEF, TO BE TAUNTED, AND THE 
WORSE PART I HEARD DONALD SAY 
HAS BEEN ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
HE HAS SAID REPEATEDLY THAT HE 
DIDN'T CARE IF OTHER NATIONS GOT
NUCLEAR WEAPONS, JAPAN, KOREA 
AND SAUDI ARABIA, IT HAS BEEN 
THE POLICY OF DEMOCRATS AND 
REPUBLICANS TO DO EVERYTHING WE 
COULD TO REDUCE THE 
PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR 
WEAPONS.
HE SAID, WELL, IF THERE WERE 
NUCLEAR WAR IN EAST ASIA, WELL, 
YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE.
HAVE A GOOD TIME, FOLKS.
HIS CAVALIER ATTITUDE ABOUT 
NUCLEAR WEAPONS IS SO DEEPLY 
TROUBLING, THAT IS THE NUMBER 
ONE THREAT WE FACE IN THE WORLD.
IT BECOMES PARTICULARLY 
THREATENING IF TERRORISTS EVER 
GET THEIR HANDS ANY NUCLEAR 
MATERIAL.
A MAN WHO CAN BE PROVOKED BY A 
TWEET SHOULD NOT HAVE HIS 
FINGERS ANYWHERE NEAR THE 
NUCLEAR CODES AS FAR AS I THINK 
ANYONE WITH ANY SENSE ABOUT THIS
SHOULD BE CONCERN.
>> Donald Trump: I WOULD LIKE --
IT IS NOT AN ACCURATE ONE AT 
ALL.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LOT OF 
THINGS JUST TO RESPOND.
I AGREE WITH HER ON ONE THING, 
THE SINGLE GREATEST PROBLEM THE 
WORLD HAS IS NUCLEAR ARMAMENT, 
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
NOT GLOBAL WARMING LIKE YOU 
THINK AND YOUR PRESIDENT THINKS.
NUCLEAR IS THE SINGLE GREATEST 
THREAT.
JUST TO GO DOWN THE LIST, WE 
DEFEND JAPAN.
WE DEFEND GERMANY.
WE DEFEND SOUTH KOREA, WE AGAIN 
COUNTRIES.
THEY DO NOT PAY WHAT THEY SHOULD
BE PAYING US BECAUSE WE ARE 
PROVIDING TREMENDOUS SERVICE AND
WE ARE LOSING A FORTUNE.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE LOSING.
WE LOSE ON EVERYTHING.
I SAID IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT 
IF THEY DON'T PAY A FAIR SHARE.
THIS ISN'T 40 YEARS WHERE WE 
COULD DO WHAT WE ARE DOING.
WE CAN'T DEFEND JAPAN.
>> Lester: WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
>> Donald Trump: IT IS 
IMPORTANT.
THEY MAY HAVE TO DEFEND 
THEMSELVES OR THEY HAVE TO HELP 
US OUT.
WE ARE A COUNTRY THAT OWES 
$20 TRILLION.
THEY HAVE TO HELP US OUT.
AS FAR AS THE NUCLEAR IS 
CONCERNED, I AGREE.
IT IS THE SINGLE GREATEST THREAT
THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS.
>> Lester: WHICH LEAVES MY NEXT 
QUESTION AS WE GET TO THE LAST 
SEGMENT.
SECURING AMERICA, ON NUCLEAR 
WEAPONS, PRESIDENT OBAMA 
REPORTEDLY CONSIDERED CHANGING 
THE NATIONS LONG STANDING POLICY
ON FIRST USE.
DO YOU SUPPORT THE CURRENT 
POLICY?
MR. TRUMP, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES 
ON THIS.
>> Donald Trump: I HAVE TO SAY, 
YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT SECRETARY 
CLINTON SAID WITH NUCLEAR WITH 
RUSSIA.
SHE IS CAVALIER HOW SHE TALKS 
ABOUT VARIOUS COUNTRIES.
RUSSIA HAS BEEN EXPANDING 
THEIR -- THEY HAVE A MUCH NEWER 
CAPABILITY.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATING FROM 
THE NEW STANDPOINT.
I LOOKED THE OTHER NIGHT, I SAW 
B-52s, THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH THAT 
YOUR FATHER AND GRANDFATHER 
COULD FLY THEM.
WE ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH OTHER
COUNTRIES.
WOULD I LIKE EVERYBODY TO END 
IT.
GET RID OF IT.
I WOULD NOT DO FIRST STRIKE.
I THINK THAT ONCE THE NUCLEAR 
ALTERNATIVE HAPPENS, IT IS OVER.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO BE 
PREPARED.
I CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING OFF THE 
TABLE.
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE 
COUNTRIES, YOU LOOK AT NORTH 
KOREA, WE ARE DOING NOTHING 
THERE.
CHINA SHOULD SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM
FOR US.
CHINA SHOULD GO INTO NORTH 
KOREA, CHINA IS TOTALLY POWERFUL
AS IT RELATES TO NORTH KOREA.
BY THE WAY ANOTHER ONE POWERFUL 
IS THE WORST DEAL NEGOTIATED 
THAT YOU STARTED IS THE IRAN 
DEAL.
IRAN IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST 
TRADING PARTNERS.
THEY HAVE POWER OVER NORTH 
KOREA.
WHEN THEY MADE THAT HORRIBLE 
DEAL WITH IRAN, THEY SHOULD HAVE
INCLUDED THE FACT THAT THEY DO 
SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO NORTH 
KOREA.
AND THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE 
SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO YEMEN 
AND THE OTHER PLACES.
WHEN ASKED TO THE SECRETARY WHY 
DIDN'T YOU ADD OTHER THINGS INTO
THE DEAL, ONE OF THE GREAT 
GIVEAWAYS OF ALL TIME, OF ALL 
TIME, INCLUDING $400 MILLION IN 
CASH, NOBODY HAS SEEN THAT 
BEFORE.
THAT TURNED OUT TO BE WRONG.
IT WAS ACTUALLY $1.7 BILLION IN 
CASH, OBVIOUSLY, I GUESS, FOR 
THE HOSTAGES, IT CERTAINLY LOOKS
THAT WAY.
YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, WHY DIDN'T 
THEY MAKE THE RIGHT DEAL.
THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST DEALS 
MADE BY ANY COUNTRY IN HISTORY.
THE DEAL WITH IRAN WILL LEAD TO 
NUCLEAR PROBLEMS.
I MET WITH NETANYAHU.
HE IS NOT HAPPY.
>> Hillary Clinton: WORDS MATTER
WHEN YOU RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND 
THEY REALLY MATTER WHEN YOU ARE 
PRESIDENT.
I WANT TO REASSURE OUR ALLIES IN
JAPAN, AND SOUTH KOREA, AND 
ELSEWHERE, THAT WE HAVE MUTUAL 
DEFENCE TREATIES AND WE WILL 
HONOUR THEM.
IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT AMERICA'S 
WORD BE GOOD.
AND SO I KNOW THAT THIS CAMPAIGN
HAS CAUSED SOME QUESTIONING AND 
SOME WORRIES ON THE PART OF MANY
LEADERS ACROSS THE GLOBE.
I TALKED WITH A NUMBER OF THEM.
I WANT ON BEFORE OF MYSELF AND I
THINK ON BEHALF OF A MAJORITY OF
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAY THAT, 
YOU KNOW, OUR WORD IS GOOD.
IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE 
LOOK AT THE ENTIRE GLOBAL 
SITUATION.
THERE IS NO DOUBT WE HAVE OTHER 
PROBLEMS WITH IRAN.
I WOULD RATHER DEAL WITH THE 
OTHER PROBLEMS AND PUT ON THE 
NUCLEAR LID.
DONALD NEVER TELLS YOU WHAT HE 
WOULD DO.
WOULD HE HAVE STARTED A WAR, 
BOMBED IRAN.
IF HE WILL CRITICIZE A DEAL THAT
HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN 
GIVING US ACCESS TO IRANIAN 
FACILITIES THAT WE NEVER HAD 
BEFORE, THEN HE SHOULD TELL US 
WHAT HIS ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE.
IT IS LIKE HIS PLAN TO DEFEAT 
ISIS.
HE SAYS IT IS A SECRET PLAN.
THE ONLY SECRET IS HE HAS NO 
PLAN.
WE NEED TO BE MORE PRECISE IN 
HOW WE TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD FOLLOW 
OUR PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS SO 
CLOSELY TRYING TO GET HINTS 
ABOUT WHAT WE WILL DO.
CAN THEY RELY ON US?
ARE WE GOING TO LEAD THE WORLD 
WITH STRENGTH AND IN ACCORDANCE 
WITH OUR VALUES.
THAT'S WHAT I INTEND TO DO.
I INTEND TO BE A LEADER OF OUR 
COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE CAN COUNT ON
BOTH HERE AT HOME AND AROUND THE
WORLD.
TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WILL 
FURTHER PEACE AND PROSPERITY.
BUT ALSO STAND UP TO BULLIES 
WHETHER THEY ARE ABROAD OR AT 
HOME.
WE CANNOT LET THOSE WHO WOULD 
TRY TO DESTABILIZE THE WORLD TO 
INTERFERE WITH AMERICAN 
INTERESTS AND SECURITY.
>> Lester: YOUR TWO MINUTES ARE 
UP.
>> Donald Trump: ONE THING I 
WOULD LIKE TO SAY.
>> Lester: VERY QUICKLY.
>> Donald Trump: YES.
HILLARY WILL TELL YOU TO GO TO 
HER WEBSITE AND READ HOW TO 
DEFEAT ISIS.
SHE COULD HAVE DEFEATED BY NEVER
HAVING GET GOING IN THE FIRST 
PLACE.
RIGHT NOW, IT IS GETTING TOUGHER
AND TOUGHER TO DEFEAT THEM.
THEY ARE IN MORE AND MORE 
PLACES.
MORE AND MORE STATES AND MORE 
AND MORE NATIONS.
IT A BIG PROBLEM.
AS FAR AS JAPAN IS CONCERNED, I 
WANT TO HELP ALL OUR ALLIES.
WE ARE LOSING BILLIONS AND 
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
WE CANNOT BE THE POLICEMEN OF 
THE WORLD.
WE CANNOT PROTECT COUNTRIES ALL 
OVER THE WORLD WHERE THEY ARE 
NOT PAYING US WHAT WE NEED.
>> Lester: A FEW FINAL 
QUESTIONS.
>> Donald Trump: SHE HAS NO 
BUSINESS ABILITY.
WE NEED HEART AND A LOT OF 
THINGS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME 
BASIC ABILITY.
AND SADLY SHE DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
ALL OF THE THINGS SHE IS TALKING
ABOUT COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN OF 
DURING THE LAST TEN YEARS, LET'S
SAY, WHILE SHE HAD GREAT POWER.
THERE WEREN'T TAKEN CARE OF.
IF SHE EVER WINS THIS RACE, THEY
WILL NOT BE TAKEN CARE OF.
>> Lester: THIS YEAR SECRETARY 
CLINTON WAS THE FIRST TO BE 
NOMINATED BY A MAJOR PARTY.
YOU SAID SHE DOES NOT HAVE A 
PRESIDENTIAL LOOK.
SHE IS STANDING HERE.
WHAT DID YOU MEAN?
>> Donald Trump: THE -- THE 
STAMINA, I SAID.
I DON'T BELIEVE SHE HAS IT.
YOU NEED TREMENDOUS STAMINA.
>> Lester: THE QUOTE WAS -- 
>> Donald Trump: DID YOU ASK ME 
A QUESTION.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE
ON TRADE DEALS.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO 
NEGOTIATE -- THAT'S RIGHT, WITH 
JAPAN, WITH SAUDI ARABIA, CAN 
YOU IMAGINE DEFENDING SAUDI 
ARABIA AND WITH ALL OF THE MONEY
THEY HAVE, WE ARE DEFENDING THEM
AND THEY ARE NOT PAYING.
YOU SPEAK TO THEM.
YOU HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT 
THINGS YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO 
DO.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HILLARY
HAS THE STAMINA.
>> Lester: LET'S LET HER 
RESPOND.
>> Hillary Clinton: AS SOON AS 
HE TRAVELS TO 112 COUNTRIES AND 
NEGOTIATES A PEACE DEAL, A 
CEASE-FIRE, A RELEASE OF 
DISSIDENTS AND OPENING OF NEW 
OPPORTUNITIES IN NATIONS AROUND 
THE WORLD OR EVEN EXTENDS 11 
HOURS TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF A 
CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE, HE CAN 
TALK TO ME ABOUT STAMINA.
>> Donald Trump: THE WORLD -- 
LET ME TELL YOU, HILLARY HAS 
EXPERIENCE, BUT IT IS BAD 
EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE MADE SO MANY BAD DEALS 
DURING -- SHE HAS EXPERIENCE, 
BUT IT IS BAD, BAD EXPERIENCE.
WHETHER IT IS THE IRAN DEAL YOU 
ARE SO IN LOVE WITH WHEN THEY 
GAVE THEM $150 BILLION BACK.
WHETHER IT IS THE IRAN DEAL.
WHETHER IT IS ANYTHING -- YOU 
ALMOST CAN'T NAME A GOOD DEAL.
I AGREE, SHE HAS EXPERIENCE.
IT IS BAD EXPERIENCE.
AND THIS COUNTRY CAN'T AFFORD TO
HAVE ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF THAT 
KIND OF EXPERIENCE.
>> Lester: WE ARE AT THE FINAL 
QUESTION.
>> Hillary Clinton: ONE THING, 
HE TRIED TO SWITCH FROM LOOKS TO
STAMINA.
BUT THIS IS A MAN WHO HAS CALLED
WOMEN, PIGS, SLOBS AND DOGS.
AND SOMEONE WHO HAS SAID 
PREGNANCY IS AN INCONVENIENCE TO
EMPLOYERS.
WHO SAID WOMEN DON'T DESERVE 
EQUAL PAY UNLESS THEY DO AS GOOD
AS JOB AS MEN.
AND ONE OF THE WORST THINGS HE 
SAID WAS ABOUT A WOMAN IN A 
BEAUTY CONTEST, HE LOVES BEAUTY 
CONTESTS, SUPPORTING THEM AND 
HANGING AROUND THEM, AND HE 
CALLED THIS WOMAN MISS PIGGY.
THEN HE CALLED HER MISS HOUSE 
KEEPING, BECAUSE SHE WAS LATINO.
SHE HAS A NAME.
HER NAME IS LISA.
SHE HAS BECOME A U.S. CITIZEN 
AND YOU CAN BET SHE IS GOING TO 
VOTE -- 
>> Donald Trump: OKAY GOOD.
HILLARY IS HITTING ME WITH 
TREMENDOUS COMMERCIALS.
SOME OF IT SAID IN 
ENTERTAINMENT.
SOME OF IT SAID -- SOMEBODY WHO 
HAS BEEN VICIOUS TO ME, ROSEY 
O'DONNEL.
I SAID TOUGH THINGS TO HER AND 
EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE SHE 
DESERVES IT AND NOBODY FEELS 
SORRY FOR HER.
YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, I 
WAS GOING TO SAY -- ROUGH TO 
HILLARY, TO HER FAMILY, AND I 
SAID TO MYSELF, I CAN'T DO IT.
I JUST CAN'T DO IT.
IT IS INAPPROPRIATE, IT IS NOT 
NICE.
SHE SPENT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS 
OF DOLLARS ON NEGATIVE ADS ON 
ME, MANY OF WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY
UNTRUE.
THEY ARE UNTRUE AND 
MISREPRESENTATIONS.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS, 
LESTER, IT IS NOT NICE AND I 
DON'T DESERVE THAT.
IT IS CERTAINLY NOT A NICE THING
THAT SHE HAS DONE.
IT IS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF 
ADS.
THE ONLY GRATIFYING THING IS I 
SAW THE POLLS COME IN TODAY, AND
WITH ALL OF THAT MONEY, OVER 
$200 MILLION SPENT AND I AM 
WINNING OR TIED.
>> Lester: ONE OF YOU WILL NOT 
WIN THIS ELECTION.
MY FINAL QUESTION TO YOU 
TONIGHT, ARE YOU WILLING TO 
ACCEPT THE OUTCOME AS THE WILL 
OF THE VOTERS.
SECRETARY CLINTON?
>> Hillary Clinton: I SUPPORT 
OUR DEMOCRACY.
SOMETIMES YOU WIN, SOMETIMES YOU
LOSE.
I CERTAINLY WILL SUPPORT THE 
OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION.
AND I KNOW DONALD IS TRYING VERY
HARD TO PLANT DOUBTS ABOUT IT.
I HOPE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE 
UNDERSTAND THIS ELECTION IS 
REALLY UP TO YOU.
IT IS NOT ABOUT US SO MUCH AS IT
IS ABOUT YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES 
AND THE KIND OF COUNTRY AND 
FUTURE YOU WANT.
I SURE HOPE YOU WILL GET OUT AND
VOTE AS THOUGH YOUR FUTURE 
DEPENDED ON IT.
BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES.
>> Lester: MR. TRUMP, WILL YOU 
ACCEPT THE OUTCOME OF THE 
VOTERS?
>> Donald Trump: I WANT TO MAKE 
AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
WE ARE TROUBLED.
WE ARE LOSING OUR JOBS AND 
PEOPLE ARE POURING INTO OUR 
COUNTRY.
THE OTHER DAY WE DEPORTED 800 
PEOPLE.
PERHAPS HE PRESSED THE WRONG 
BUTTON, PERHAPS WORST THAN THAT,
IT WAS CORRUPTION.
THE PEOPLE BECAME CITIZENS, 
ENDED UP BECOMING CITIZENS.
IT WAS 800 AND IT TURNS OUT IT 
MAY BE 1800, AND THEY DON'T EVEN
KNOW.
HERE IS -- I WANT TO MAKE 
AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
I WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE HILLARY WILL.
THE ANSWER IF SHE WINS, I WILL 
ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT HER.
>> Lester: THAT IS GOING TO DO 
IT FOR US.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR DEBATE FOR 
THIS EVENING.
A SPIRITED ONE.
WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND.
NOT EVERYTHING AS I SUSPECTED.
THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS 
OCTOBER 9TH IN WASHINGTON 
UNIVERSITY IN St. LOUIS.
THE CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE.
THE VICE-PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS 
SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 4TH AT 
LONGWOOD UNIVERSITY IN 
FARMVILLE, VIRGINIA.
THANKS TO HILLARY CLINTON AND 
DONALD TRUMP AND HOFSTRA 
UNIVERSITY.
GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE.
>> THAT CONCLUDE THE FIRST 
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.
THE FIRST OF THREE PRESIDENTIAL 
DEBATES IN NEW YORK TONIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE THE CANDIDATES 
SHAKING HANDS WITH THE 
MODERATOR, LESTER HOLT.
I WILL KEEP THAT PICTURE UP AS 
WE BRING IN THE POWER PANEL IN 
WASHINGTON.
FROM TORONTO.
TIM POWERS IN STUDIO.
AND CBC POLL ANALYST.
AMANDA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHAT
YOU SAW?
>> I AM SO RILED UP.
I AM SURE EVERYBODY ON THE PANEL
IS TOO.
IF YOU HAVE BEEN ON SOCIAL 
MEDIA.
IT HAS BEEN A FRENZY.
KIND OF LIKE THAT DEBATE.
IT WAS, FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS 
QUOTED AS BEING THE MOST 
UNPREDICTABLE DEBATE THAT WE 
HAVE SEEN, IT WAS UTTERLY 
PREDICTABLE.
HE WAS FLY BY THE SEAT OF HIS 
PANTS.
HE WAS, YOU KNOW, 
GENERALIZATIONS, SHE WAS MUCH 
MORE POLISHED.
FOCUSSED, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE TOO
SCRIPTED.
I KNOW THERE WERE MOMENTS FOR ME
WHERE I JUST WANTED HER TO JUMP 
IN AND HAMMER HIM BACK.
AND INSTEAD, SHE WENT WITH A 
SOFTER, I HOPE THOSE FACT 
CHECKERS ARE DOING THEIR JOBS.
I DID THINK SHE HAD SOME REALLY 
POWERFUL MOMENTS, PARTICULARLY 
NEAR THE END OF THE DEBATE WHEN 
SHE FOUGHT BACK ON STAMINA.
WHEN SHE DEALT WITH SEXISM 
STRAIGHT ON.
I WAS GLAD FOR THOSE MOMENTS.
IF I WERE TO SUM IT UP, I WOULD 
SAY THE DEBATE FOR HIM WAS ALL 
ABOUT HIM.
THE DEBATE FOR TRUMP WAS ALL 
ABOUT ME.
THE DEBATE FOR CLINTON WAS ALL 
ABOUT YOU.
WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE TOOK THAT 
AWAY.
IT WAS HIS RESUME VERSUS HER 
POLICIES.
>> I AM LEAVING THE PICTURES UP.
YOU WERE RAISING YOUR EYEBROWS.
YOUR THOUGHTS AND WE CAN DIG 
INTO THE ISSUES.
>> AMANDA HIT THE NAIL ON THE 
HEAD.
IT WAS A PREDICTABLE DEBATE 
TONIGHT.
IF YOU COULD FIND TWO MORE 
UNLOVABLE AMERICAN CANDIDATES 
FOR THE U.S. PRESIDENCY, I WOULD
BE SHOCKED.
THE TWO PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS 
PLAYED EXACTLY TO THE TYPE THAT 
WE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THEM TO.
IT ALMOST GOES WITHOUT SAYING 
THAT DONALD TRUMP -- FOR THE 
RECORD WE SHOULD NOT JUST 
SUGGEST HE WAS A BAPHOON.
HE WAS WRONG.
IT IS GOOD THAT THE FACT 
CHECKERS ARE ON HIM.
HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT DO 
HERSELF A LOT OF FAVOURS.
SHE DID NOT EXCEL OF THE ATTACKS
THAT WERE REHEARSED AND WELL 
PRACTICED.
SHE DOES NOT HAVE THE CHARISMA 
OF PREVIOUS DEBATER.
MY HEAVENS, WHAT A DREADFULLY 
HORRIFIC BORING AND 
DISAPPOINTING COMMENTS ON 
AMERICAN DEMOCRACY TO SAY THE 
LEAST.
>> Rosemary: TIM AND LISA.
>> HE CULTIVATED THE AUDIENCE, 
AT LEAST THE PEOPLE HE WANTS TO 
TALK TO IN THE AUDIENCE THAT 
THAT REGARD.
WHAT IS FASCINATING FOR ME, 
THOUGH, IS WE SHOULDN'T DISMISS 
THIS.
TRUMP IS CLEARLY CALCULATED FOR 
GOOD OR FOR BAD THAT HIS SCHTIK 
WORKS.
HE IS NOT BACKING AWAY FROM IT 
AT ALL.
HE IS CLEARLY DOUBLING DOWN ON 
IT.
YOU LOOK AT THE LINGUISTIC PAT 
 -- PATTERNS.
US VERSUS THEM.
I TAKE PRIDE I HAVE NOT PAID 
TAXES AND I DODGED LAWS, IT IS A
GOOD THING.
HE REMIND ME OF THE BAR ROOM 
SAVANT.
THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS TO BE.
BAR ROOM AND SAVANT USUALLY DO 
NOT GO TOGETHER.
THEY DO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 
DONALD TRUMP.
THAT IS WHAT HE IS CALCULATING 
WILL WORK.
ON CLINTON, YOU KNOW, I DON'T 
THINK SHE NECESSARILY WAS AS BAD
AS AMANDA WAS DEPICTING.
SHE COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.
COMING OUT OF THIS SO FAR, I 
DON'T THINK ANYBODY LOST.
SOMETIMES IN A DEBATE, THAT'S 
THE KEY THING.
THERE WILL BE A LOT OF 
TRADITIONYS WILL SAY HE WAS 
TERRIBLE.
THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM 
ANYWAY.
WHAT WILL BE FASCINATING IS WHAT
THE FOCUS GROUPS AND THE POLLS 
DONE WATCHING THE BODY LANGUAGE.
AND HOW THAT PLAYED OUT BECAUSE 
THAT WAS ALSO SORT OF 
INTERESTING.
TRUMP WAS MORE RESERVED WITH HIS
BODY LANGUAGE THAN HE NORMALLY 
TENDS TO BE.
AND THAT MAY HAVE BEEN COACHING.
>> Rosemary: LISA AND THEN ERIC.
>> ON BALANCE, HILLARY CLINTON 
HAD DONALD TRUMP ON THE 
DEFENSIVE REPEATEDLY, IF HE TOOK
ONE THING AWAY, IT WAS HE DID 
NOT PAY HIS TAXES.
HE REALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY 
HERE TO LEARN A LOT GOING INTO 
THE NEXT DEBATE.
HOWEVER, I TAKE A DIFFERENT VIEW
OF THIS.
I DON'T THINK THAT SOME OF THE 
MISSTATEMENTS HE MADE OR 
OUTRAGEOUS COMMENTS, I DON'T 
THEY WEIGH AGAINST HIM AS MUCH 
AS THEY DO AS ON TWITTER.
HE IS NOT ABOUT DEBATING, YOU 
KNOW, PARTICULAR DETAILS.
HE IS THE CANDIDATE THAT IS 
MAKING A SYSTEMIC CRITIQUE.
HE IS SAYING, SHE IS PART OF A 
SYSTEM THAT IS FAILING PEOPLE.
THAT IS FAILING IN THE MIDDLE 
EAST.
THAT HAS ALL THESE PROBLEMS.
I AM AGAINST THIS SYSTEM.
THE FIRST OPENING OF THE DEBATE,
YOU SAW HIM GOING AFTER TRADE 
DEALS AND SAYING THEY ARE 
COSTING US JOBS, THE JOBS ARE 
LOSING US, YOU CAN FACT CHECK 
THAT AND SAY ACTUALLY THE 
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN OHIO IS, 
WITH THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB, IF YOU 
FEEL THE ECONOMIC PROSPECTS ARE 
NOT GOOD, THEN YOU CAN RELATE TO
THE SORT OF BIG SYSTEMIC 
CRITIQUE.
THAT IS WHY I TAKE HIM 
SERIOUSLY.
THAT IS WHY I THINK THE POLLS 
HAVE BEEN SO TIGHT IS WE HAD 8 
YEARS OF A DEMOCRATIC 
ADMINISTRATION.
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR CHANGE.
I DON'T THINK HILLARY CLINTON 
ARTICULATED WHAT CHANGE SHE 
REPRESENTS OR WHAT VISION SHE 
REPRESENTS.
SHE TALKS ABOUT SPECIFIC 
POLICIES.
HE IS GOOD AT GIVING THAT BROAD 
SWEEP.
I THINK HE HAS ENORMOUS ROOM FOR
IMPROVEMENT AND HE WILL BE 
MOCKED FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
THERE ARE MOMENTS WHERE SHE 
MANAGED TO LAUGH AT HIM.
OVERALL, I DON'T THINK IT WAS 
MAYBE AS DISASTROUS AS IT FELT 
AT TIMES WHEN HE LOST HIS COOL 
AND WENT OVER THE TOP.
HE WAS SAYING THINGS THAT A LOT 
OF PEOPLE RELATE TO.
>> Rosemary: LET ME TELL JERRY, 
I WOULDN'T MIND YOU CUEING UP 
THE ISIS CLIP IF YOU CAN DO 
THAT.
THAT IS THE QUESTION, DID ANYONE
GAIN ANY MORE VOTERS FROM WHAT 
HAPPENED TONIGHT?
THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T LOSE ANY.
>> THEY PROBABLY DID NOT LOSE 
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING TO ARE
DONALD TRUMP.
IT COMES DOWN TO THE 5-10% 
UNDECIDED.
THE 10% WHO SAID THEY WILL VOTE 
FOR GARY JOHNSON, AND STEIN THE 
GREEN.
THE PEOPLE MAYBE HAVE NOT SEEN 
TOO MUCH OF TRUMP BEYOND THE 
CLIPS.
IF THEY HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE 
WHOLE DEBATE FOR AN HOUR AND A 
HALF, ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE THE
CALCULATION THAT WE DON'T LIKE 
HILLARY CLINTON, WE CAN MAYBE 
LIVE WITH DONALD TRUMP.
AM I GOING TO VOTE FOR GARY 
JOHNSON BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE
TWO CANDIDATES.
WILL THEY MAKE THE CALCULATION 
AND STILL SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP 
IS JUST AS BAD OR JUST AS GOOD 
AS HILLARY CLINTON.
I AM NOT CERTAIN THAT WILL BE 
THE CASE.
WE WILL NOT HAVE MUCH OF AN 
INDICATION THE IMPACT ON THE 
POLLS UNTIL NEXT WEEK.
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF CLIPS WE 
PLAY ONE.
IT SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
WHEN TRUMP WAS TALKING ABOUT 
ISIS.
IT SPEAKS TO HE IS SAYING 
SOMETHING BUT NOT REALLY SAYING 
ANYTHING.
LET'S PLAY THAT CLIP.
>> GO TO WEBSITE, SHE TELLS YOU 
HOW TO FIGHT ISIS.
I DON'T THINK THE GENERAL WILL 
LIKE THAT TOO MUCH.
>> Hillary Clinton: AT LEAST I 
HAVE A PLAN TO FIGHT ISIS.
>> YOU ARE TELLING THE ENEMY 
EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO DO.
>> Hillary Clinton: NO, WE ARE 
NOT.
>> Donald Trump: YOU ARE TELLING
THE ENEMY EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO
DO.
NO WONDER YOU HAVE BEEN FIGHTING
ISIS YOUR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE.
>> Hillary Clinton: GO TO THE 
FACT CHECKERS GET TO WORK.
>> THAT RAISES A LOT OF POINTS, 
IT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE 
DYNAMIC THERE.
>> THE ENTIRE PANEL IS AGREEING 
WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE IS THE 
MANIFESTATION OF THE CAMPAIGN SO
FAR.
THIS IS THE CAMPAIGN THAT TRUMP 
HAS ROLLED OUT.
AND THUS FAR, PEOPLE LIKE US 
SITTING IN THE POSITIONS HAVE 
SORT OF SCOFFED AND SAID, 
JEEPERS, IT WILL NOT WORK UNTIL 
OF COURSE IT DOES CONTINUE TO 
WORK WITH THE EXACT TYPE OF 
VOTER POOLS WE ARE TALKING 
ABOUT.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE 
NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS WE TAKE A 
LOOK AT THE PARTICULAR DEBATE.
WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A CLEAR 
HILLARY CLINTON WIN, WHEN REALLY
HILLARY CLINTON WALKS AWAY FROM 
THE DEBATE NOT LOSING VOTERS BUT
NOT REALLY GAINING AS MUCH AS 
SHE COULD HAVE OTHERWISE GAINED 
BY KNOCKING HIM DOWN PEGS.
WE HAVE A DONALD TRUMP WHO IS 
STILL GAINING ON THE DEMOCRATIC 
PARTY AS IT LOOKS TODAY FROM OUR
VANTAGE POINT.
AS ERIC SAID, PEOPLE IN OUR 
POSITION ARE NOT GREAT AT 
JUDGING THESE THINGS.
>> IT COMES OUT OF THE MEDIA 
COVERAGE AGAIN THAT GOES TO HOW 
AND WHAT THE POWER OF DONALD 
TRUMP'S RHETORIC IS.
THERE ARE ONLY 5 TO 10 SECOND 
BLOCKS YOU CAN FILL ON THE 
NIGHTLY NEWS.
HE REPEATS THE QUESTIONS.
THE SENTENCE STRUCTURE WAS 
POINTED TO AND HOW SIMPLE HE 
KEEPS HIS THING SO HIS MESSAGE 
CAN BE BETTER CONTROLLED THAN 
THE CLINTON MESSAGE WHICH IS 
MORE ARTICULATE.
YOU NEED 30, 45 SECOND TO 
UNDERSTAND SOME OF WHAT SHE IS 
TRYING TO SAY.
>> IF WE WERE SITTING COVERING 
ANY OTHER DEBATE AND A 
POLITICIAN IN THAT DEBATE SAID I
DON'T PAY TAXES, AND I AM SMART.
AND I DODGED.
AND CAME UP WITH THAT CONVOLUTED
STORY ABOUT BIRTHERS.
>> OR THE 400 POUND HACKER 
SITTING ON THE BED.
>> THAT IS APPARENTLY CHRIS 
CHRISTIE.
>> Rosemary: HE SAID, I DON'T 
PAY TAXES BECAUSE I AM SMART.
THEN HE SAID IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 
SQUANDERED.
IT IS THE ANTIESTABLISHMENT 
THING.
THAT IS WHY HE GETS AWAY WITH 
IT.
I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS 
THINKING IF YOU ARE AN EDUCATED 
WEALTHIER VOTER IN THE SUBURBS 
WHO WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR ROMNEY,
OR DID VOTE FOR ROMNEY, BUT 
COULDN'T QUITE GET ON THE TRUMP 
WAGON OR HAS BEEN WAITING TO 
SEE, DID HE SAY ANYTHING THAT 
PUT HIM NOW OVER THE LINE, 
UNACCEPTABLE.
DID HE DO ANYTHING OUTRAGEOUS 
AND TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF HIS 
GENITALIA.
WE HAD A FEW OVER THE TOP 
MOMENTS, A FEW MISSTATEMENTS BY 
BOTH OF THEM.
HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING THAT WAS 
SO COMPLETELY OUTRAGEOUS.
THE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT OBAMA'S
BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS -- 
>> HERE IS WHAT I THINK IT IS, 
THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICANS HE 
WENT AFTER.
FOR SOME CONSERVATIVES, HE WENT 
AFTER CONSERVATISM LARGE TODAY.
THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE THE 
PREVIOUS PRESIDENCY WHO ARE 
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HIM GOING 
AFTER NAFTA.
THAT IS WHERE THEIR BREAD IS 
BUTTERED.
>> IT IS FASCINATING.
GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE 
DEBATE AND WHERE CLINTON WAS 
CLEVER AT THE BEGINNING, SHE 
TRIED TO ESTABLISH THE FRAME.
SHE HAD TWO QUESTIONS.
WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY DO YOU 
WANT, WHO CAN SHOULDER 
RESPONSIBILITY.
THOUGH SHE WAS EXTREMELY 
DETAILED AS SHE OFTEN IS IN 
ANSWERING THAT, SHE STUCK MORE 
TO HER PARTICULAR NARRATIVE.
I THINK.
SHE WILL WANT TO TRY TO LEAVE 
THAT THERE.
YOU SAW HER OFTEN TALKING ABOUT 
TRUMP TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS.
TRYING TO LEAVE THAT IN PEOPLE'S
MINDS.
SHE WENT AFTER THE CENTRAL 
NARRATIVE OF TRUMP WHICH WAS 
ALSO SORT OF WISE WHICH IS I AM 
THIS GREAT BUSINESS GUY, I AM A 
BUSINESS GUY, YOU KNOW I GET 
STUFF DONE.
SHE HAS TO KEEP COMING BACK AT 
THAT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE
TRUMP, I THINK, WANT TO BELIEVE 
THAT WHAT HE IS SELLING, THEY 
CAN BUY.
IF THEY SUDDENLY DISCOVER WHAT 
HE HAS BEEN SELLING IS A WHOLE 
BAG OF GOODS AND HE IS JUST LIKE
THE ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE OR
LIKE THE ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE, 
HE IS TRYING TO UNPACK, HE WILL 
HAVE TROUBLE.
>> I THINK THE REAL CHALLENGE 
WAS THAT HE OPENED THE DOOR AND 
SHE JUST DIDN'T SHUT HIM DOWN.
HE OPENED THE DOOR ON PERSONAL 
TAXES.
SHE DID NOT SHUT HIM DOWN.
WHEN YOU HAVE 90 MINUTES AND SHE
PROVIDES ARTICULATE, CONSIDERED 
ANSWERS AND HE PROVIDES SOUND 
BITES, HE IS THE KING OF REALITY
TV, AND THE DEBATES ARE LIKE 
REALITY TV.
WHAT DO WE REMEMBER, WE REMEMBER
THAT JOBS ARE LEAVING, WE 
REMEMBER SHE HAD 30 YEARS TO FIX
IT AND SHE DIDN'T.
SHE IS A TYPICAL POLITICIAN.
SAYS STUFF BUT IT DOESN'T WORK.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE GUNS AWAY 
FROM BAD PEOPLE.
HE KNOWS HOW TO CREATE, 
OUTRAGEOUS AND LUDICROUS AS HIS 
STATEMENTS ARE, HE KNOWS HOW TO 
CREATE MEMORABLE MOMENT.
SHE DOESN'T GO FOR THE CLIP.
SHE GOES FOR THE THOUGHTFUL 
RESPONSE.
>> Rosemary: I HAVE 8 MINUTES.
ERIC, TWO THINGS, EVERYONE 
AGREES HE HAS TO PICK UP MORE 
AFRICAN AMERICANS.
HE TALKED ABOUT THE STOP AND 
FRISK.
HE THINKS IT IS GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PICK UP 
AFRICAN AMERICANS WHEN YOU SAY 
STUFF LIKE THAT.
>> HE WILL NOT, HE IS DOWN 80 
POINTS.
HE WILL NOT INCREASE BY TELLING 
THEM WHAT THE HELL DO YOU HAVE 
TO LOSE TO QUOTE DONALD TRUMP.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD ASK 
IS WHY DID HE MAKE GAINS OVER 
THE LAST MONTH OR SO.
THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION.
PRIMARILY WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT 
HILLARY CLINTON, ABOUT 
FOUNDATION, E-MAILS, HER HEALTH,
A LOT ABOUT CLINTON, LESS ABOUT 
TRUMP WHO WAS BEING MORE 
RESERVED.
HE WAS NOT MAKING THE KIND OF 
GAFFES WE SAW EARLIER ON IN THE 
CAMPAIGN.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS A MOMENT
WHERE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT 
HILLARY CLINTON, OR WILL PEOPLE 
TALK MORE ABOUT THE WHOLE 
SEGMENT ON HIS TAX RETURNS, I 
THOUGHT WAS A STRONG SEGMENT AND
THEN IF A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE 
STARTING TO ASK THEMSELVES, WHY 
IS TRUMP NOT WANTING TO TALK 
ABOUT THAT AND WHY DOES HE NOT 
WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHEN HE 
WAS -- THE DISCRIMINATORY 
PRACTICES.
MAYBE THAT MOMENTUM HE WAS 
GAINING, SIMPLY BECAUSE PEOPLE 
FOCUS ON HILLARY CLINTON STARTS 
TO GO AWAY.
>> Rosemary: LISA AND IAN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
ANOTHER AREA CLINTON HOPES TO 
TALK ABOUT IS HIS CLIMATE 
DENIAL.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO 
AFTER YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT 
RALLIED TOWARD HER.
THE FACT HE SAID HE DIDN'T EVER 
SAY THAT CLIMATE CHANGE WAS A 
HOAX ORCHESTRATED BY CHINA.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE TWITTER FEED.
THERE WAS THE TWEET.
THAT GIVES THE CABLE NETWORKS 
SOMETHING TO CHEW ON AND TALK 
ABOUT.
WE WILL HEAR ABOUT THAT OVER AND
OVER.
THAT HELPS HER, NOT HIM.
THE STOP AND FRISK, THAT HELPS 
HER BECAUSE SHE IS TRYING TO 
MOTIVATE AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS
AND LATINO VOTERS.
THAT HELPS HER.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO ONE POINT 
ABOUT TRADE.
I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT ALSO FOR
CANADA.
WE JUST DID A POLL WITH HARVARD 
UNIVERSITY LOOKING AT ATTITUDES 
ABOUT TRADE.
IT WAS REMARKABLE, THE REVERSAL 
AMONG RANK AND FILE REPUBLICANS.
THEY ARE NOW MUCH MORE CRITICAL 
AND OPPOSED TO TRADE AGREEMENTS 
THAN DEMOCRATS.
THAT IS INTERESTING.
AND A FLIP.
THIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN AND THE 
TRUMP MOVEMENT, IT MAY NOT BE 
REFLECTED IN THE OPINIONS OF 
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND SENATORS
ON CAPITOL HILL, BUT IT IS 
REFLECTIVE OF WHERE THE GRASS 
ROOTS IS, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
>> WE LOOK AT THE FACTIONS, A 
LOT COMES DOWN TO CAN DONALD 
TRUMP GET THE PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR
HIM.
HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT GO AFTER
WHAT IS REALLY INTERESTING TO 
ME.
IVANA TRUMP.
HE MAY NOT BE THE MOST CHRISTIAN
OF REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.
HERE IS THE INTERESTING PART.
HE CAME SO CLOSE TO BRINGING 
JENNIFER FLOWERS.
WHAT INTERESTS ME IS WHAT DO THE
NEXT DEBATES BRING.
THIS IS WHERE WE -- 
>> A GREAT START.
>> THE GLOVES ALMOST CAME OFF, 
WILL THEY FULLY COME OFF, DO WE 
TURN OFF SEGMENTS OF VOTERS WHO 
HATED BILL CLINTON BALLS OF HIS 
ADULTEROUS WAYS WHO SEE DONALD 
TRUMP AS BEING A HYPOCRITE.
THAT LEADS ME TO THE DEBATE 
ABOUT THE AUDIT.
I THINK THINK POINTS TO THE 
ASTUTE ANALYSIS FROM DC WHICH 
THIS IS PART OF HIS ATTACK.
HE HAS BEEN UNDER AUDIT FOR THE 
IRS FOR 15 YEARS.
YOU HEARD HIM SAYING IT.
OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT UNDER THE 
SAME AUDIT.
THEY ARE COMING AFTER ME.
THE PEOPLE DO BELIEVE THAT.
WHAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE IS WHY 
ARE YOU HURTING THE LITTLE GUYS.
THE PEOPLE THAT CLINTON COULDN'T
QUITE TEE THE ATTACK ON.
THE ARCHITECT AND THE BEAUTY 
PAGEANT CONTESTANT.
SHE DID NOT QUITE GET THERE.
SHE IS MORE AUTHENTICITY.
THE DONALD TRUMPESQUE 
AUTHENTICITY.
>> HE IS REALLY GOOD AT THE 
EMOTIONAL POCKET BOOK STUFF.
BACK ON THE AUDIT.
IT IS NOT GENERALLY BECAUSE THE 
GOVERNMENT IS AFTER YOU, YOU ARE
COOKING THE BOOKS IN ONE WAY OR 
ANOTHER.
THEY DON'T JUST DECIDE TO AUDIT 
YOU.
IT IS NOT RANDOM.
TRUMP TURNED IT TO THEY ARE OUT 
TO GET ME.
I DON'T PAY TAXES.
WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK THEY 
ARE AUDITING YOU.
THE OTHER THINGS HE DOES IS 
ESTABLISH COMMON ENEMIES IN 
SIMPLE TERMS.
THE GREAT FACTORY DOWN THERE.
YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THEM IN 
OHIO, I NEED YOU PEOPLE IN 
PENNSYLVANIA.
THE CHINESE, HE DOES IT IN A 
SIMPLE WAY WITH SUCH A SIMPLE 
PREVAILING LOGIC THAT THOSE 
PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY AND ARE 
WANTING TO HAVE THEIR ANGER 
DIRECTED SOMEWHERE CAN HAVE IT 
MORE EASILY DIRECTED THERE THAN 
A 3 MINUTE DECONSTRUCTION OF 
HILLARY CLINTON -- 
>> Rosemary: I HAVE 3 MINUTES.
AMANDA AND ERIC.
>> I REMEMBER SOMEONE SAYING 
WILL THIS BE A CULTURAL MOMENT, 
WHERE PEOPLE REMEMBER FOR YEARS 
IN THE FUTURE WHERE THEY WERE 
THE MOMENT THEY WATCHED THE 
DEBATE.
IT WAS NONE OF THAT.
I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF WE SAW 
THE POLLS SHIFT AND ERIC WOULD 
HAVE A PERSPECTIVE.
THEIR HANDLERS.
THE PEOPLE WILL HELP THEM 
LEARNED MORE.
SHE NEEDS MORE FIRE AND HE NEEDS
TO HOLD BACK.
>> THE FACTOR THE MEDIA WILL 
PLAY, THE PEOPLE WILL GAUGE 
ALLOW THE DEBATE WENT HOW THE 
MEDIA FRAMES IT.
IT IS GOING FAR FROM A U.S. 
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
THERE WAS A QUEBEC ELECTION A 
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHERE PEOPLE
WHO DIDN'T SEE A DEBATE THOUGHT 
THAT THE PERSON, THAT THE MEDIA 
SAID WON THE DEBATE, ACTUALLY 
WON THE DEBATE, THERE WERE POLLS
THAT THE PERSON THEY HAD NOT 
SEEN, THEY THOUGHT HE WON THE 
DEBATE AND THE PARTY MADE GAINS 
IN THE POLLS.
AS MUCH AS ALL THE AUDIENCE IS 
SUPPOSED TO BE -- THOSE PEOPLE 
WHO DID NOT WATCH WILL WATCH THE
NEWS TOMORROW.
THEIR OPINIONS WILL BE FORMED 
HOW THE MEDIA WILL FRAME IT.
>> Rosemary: I HAVE ONE MINUTE.
DID ANYBODY WIN?
>> NO.
>> I THINK ON BALANCE CLINTON 
DID A BETTER JOB.
SHE HAD HIM ON THE DEFENSIVE.
SHE GAVE A GOOD, CLEAN SHORT 
ANSWER ON THE E-MAILS AND MOVED 
ON.
SHE DID NOT GET BOGGED DOWN 
WHETHER IT WAS THE BIRTH 
CERTIFICATE OR THE TAX RETURNS.
AS A DEBATER, SHE WAS SUPERIOR.
WHETHER THAT MOVES THE POLLS, I 
DON'T KNOW.
SHE WILL FEEL A NEW LEVEL OF 
CONFIDENCE, I THINK, GOING INTO 
THE NEXT ONE.
I THINK TRUMP HANDLERS WILL 
POINT OUT WHERE HE NEEDS TO 
IMPROVE.
I EXPECT AN IMPROVED DEBATER.
>> A DRAW.
>> Rosemary: WE GOT STAMINA WE 
PROVED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HILLARY.
I COULDN'T HAVE A BETTER PANEL 
TO GUIDE US THROUGH THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL HAVE FULL ANALYSIS ON 
POWER AND POLITICS TOMORROW AT 
5 P.M. EASTERN.
STAY TUNED ON CBC NEWS NETWORK.
PETER MANSBRIDGE IS COMING UP 
WITH MORE ON THE DEBATE ON "THE 
NATIONAL."
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.
ONE FOR THE AGES.
WE WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW.
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>> Peter: GOOD EVENING, I'M
PETER MANSBRIDGE AND THIS IS
"THE NATIONAL."
>> Hillary Clinton: THEY SHOW
THAT HE DIDN'T PAY ANY FEDERAL
INCOME TAX.
>> Donald Trump: THAT MAKES ME
SMART.
>> Peter: CLINTON VERSUS TRUMP
IN A CRUCIAL WAR OF WORDS.
IT COULD BE THE MOST WATCHED
DEBATE IN HISTORY.
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