>> THIS IS THE FIRST OFFICIAL 
EVENT IN THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE 
REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR 
PRESIDENT.
WELCOME TO CLEVELAND, OHIO.
IT IS DEBATE NIGHT.
I'M BILL HEMMER. 
>> AND I'M MARTHA McCALLUM.
IT ALL STARTS HERE.
WE ARE READY, THE CANDIDATES ARE
READY.
WE'RE LIVE AT THE QUICKEN LOANS 
ARENA WHERE WE'VE PARTNEREDED 
WITH FACEBOOK TO BRING YOU THE 
VOTER INTO TODAY'S DEBATE. 
>> YOU'LL HEAR FROM ALL 17 
CANDIDATES TONIGHT.
YOU'LL MEET SEVEN OF THEM RIGHT 
NOW.
STARTING WITH THREE-TIME 
GOVERNOR IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, 
RICK PERRY. 
>> ALSO TWO-TIME SENATOR FROM 
PENNSYLVANIA, RICK SANTORUM. 
>> TWO-TIME GOVERNOR OF THE 
STATE OF LOUISIANA, ACTING 
GOVERNOR, BOBBY JINDAL. 
>> BUSINESSWOMAN AND FORMER CEO 
OF HEWLETT-PACKARD, CARLY 
FIORINA. 
>> THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM SOUTH
CAROLINA, LINDSEY GRAHAM. 
>> FORMER THREE-TERM GOVERNOR OF
NEW YORK, GEORGE PATAKI. 
>> AND FORMER VIRGINIA GOVERNOR,
JIM GILMORE. 
>> NOW THIS DEBATE WILL LAST ONE
HOUR.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR 
COMMERCIAL BREAKS.
EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE ONE 
MINUTE TO ANSWER EACH QUESTION.
AND 30 SECONDS FOR REBUTTAL.
IF YOU RUN OUT OF TIME YOU'RE 
GOING TO HEAR THIS.
OKAY?
>> GENTLE.
LET'S HEAR WHAT THE OTHERS ARE 
GOING TO GET LATER, HUH?
ONE YEAR FROM NOW, A REPUBLICAN 
NOMINEE WILL BE STANDING ON THIS
STAGE IN THIS VERY SAME ARENA.
THAT PERSON IS IN CLEVELAND 
TODAY.
SO LET'S GET STARTED.
FIRST TOPIC ELECTABILITY.
FIRST QUESTION TO GOVERNOR PERRY
FROM TEXAS.
WELCOME, GOVERNOR. 
>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. 
>> YOU WERE IN CHARGE OF THE 
12th LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE 
WORLD.
YOU RECENTLY SAID THAT FOUR 
YEARS AGO YOU WEREN'T READY FOR 
THIS JOB.
WHY SHOULD SOMEONE VOTE FOR YOU 
NOW?
>> AFTER THOSE FOUR YEARS OF 
LOOKING BACK AND BEING PREPARED,
THE PREPARATION TO BE THE MOST 
POWERFUL INDIVIDUAL IN THE WORLD
REQUIRES EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF
WORK.
NOT JUST HAVING BEEN THE 
GOVERNOR OF THE 12th LARGEST 
ECONOMY IN THE WORLD, WHICH I 
MIGHT ADD WE ADDED 1.5 MILLION 
JOBS DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
OVER THAT 2007 THROUGH 2014 
PERIOD, A PERIOD WHEN AMERICA 
WAS GOING THROUGH THE MOST DEEP 
RECESSION IT HAD BEEN THROUGH 
SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION.
I THINK AMERICANS WANT SOMEONE 
TO HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF 
SHOWING THEM HOW TO GET THIS 
COUNTRY BACK ON THE RECORD.
SOMEONE WHO WILL STAND UP AND 
EVERY DAY PROJECT THAT BEST DAYS
OF AMERICA ARE IN FRONT OF US.
AND I WILL ASSURE YOU, AS THE 
GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF TEXAS 
AND AS THOSE LAST FOUR YEARS 
HAVE SHOWN ME, THE PREPARATION 
TO BE READY TO STAND ON THIS 
STAGE AND TALK ABOUT THOSE 
MONETARY POLICIES, THOSE 
DOMESTIC POLICIES AND THOSE 
FOREIGN POLICIES, AMERICANS ARE 
GOING TO SEE THAT I'M READY TO 
BE THAT INDIVIDUAL. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR.
>> NOW WE GO TO CARLY FIORINA.
CARLY, YOU WERE CEO OF 
HEWLETT-PACKARD.
YOU RAN FOR SENATE AND LOST IN 
CALIFORNIA IN 2010.
THIS WEEK YOU SAID, MARGARET 
THATCHER WAS NOT CONTENT TO 
MANAGE A GREAT NATION IN DECLINE
AND NEITHER AM I.
GIVEN YOUR CURRENT STANDINGS IN 
THE POLLS, IS THE IRON LADY 
COMPARISON A STRETCH?
>> WELL, I WOULD BEGIN BY 
REMINDING PEOPLE THAT AT THIS 
POINT IN PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL 
ELECTIONS JIMMY CARTER COULDN'T 
WIN, RONALD REAGAN COULDN'T WIN,
BILL CLINTON COULDN'T WIN, AND 
NEITHER COULD HAVE BARACK OBAMA.
I STARTED AS A SECRETARY AND 
BECAME ULTIMATELY THE CHIEF 
EXECUTIVE OF THE LARGEST 
TECHNOLOGY COMPANY IN THE WORLD,
ALMOST $90 BILLION IN OVER 150 
COUNTRIES.
I KNOW PERSONALLY HOW 
EXTRAORDINARY AND UNIQUE THIS 
NATION IS.
I THINK TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF
IN THE 21st CENTURY REQUIRES 
SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS HOW THE 
ECONOMY WORKS, SOMEONE WHO 
UNDERSTANDS HOW WORLD WORKS AND 
WHO'S IN IT.
I KNOW MORE WORLD LEADERS ON THE
STAGE TODAY THAN ANYONE RUNNING 
WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF 
HILLARY CLINTON.
UNDERSTANDS BUREAUCRACIES HOW TO
CUT THEM DOWN TO SIZE AND HOLD 
THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND UNDERSTANDS
TECHNOLOGY WHICH IS A TOOL BUT 
IT'S ALSO A WEAPON THAT'S BEING 
USED AGAINST US.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK I 
UNDERSTAND LEADERSHIP, WHICH 
SOMETIMES REQUIRES A TOUGH CALL 
IN A TOUGH TIME.
BUT MOSTLY THE HIGHEST CALLING 
OF LEADERSHIP IS TO CHALLENGE 
THE STATUS QUO AND UNLOCK THE 
POTENTIAL OF OTHERS.
WE NEED A LEADER WHO WILL LEAD 
THE RESURGENCE OF THIS GREAT 
NATION AND UNLOCK ITS POTENTIAL 
ONCE AGAIN. 
>> THANK YOU. 
>> SENATOR SANTORUM, YOU WON THE
IOWA CAUCUS FOUR YEARS AGO AND 
TEN OTHER STATES.
BUT YOU FAILED TO BEAT MITT 
ROMNEY FOR THE NOMINATION.
AND NO ONE HERE TONIGHT IS GOING
TO QUESTION YOUR CONVICTION OR 
YOUR LOVE FOR COUNTRY.
BUT HAS YOUR MOMENT PASSED, 
SENATOR?
>> I WOULD SAY THE MESSAGE THAT 
GOT US THE WIN IN IOWA AND TEN 
OTHER STATES AGAINST PRETTY 
OVERWHELMING ODDS IS THE MESSAGE
THAT'S GOING TO DELIVER US IN 
THIS ELECTION.
WE DIDN'T START OUT FOUR YEARS 
AGO AT THE TOP OF THE HEAP.
WE WERE BEHIND WHERE WE WERE 
TODAY.
BUT WE STUCK TO OUR MESSAGE.
WE STUCK TO THE FACT THAT 
AMERICANS ARE TIRED OF 
WASHINGTON CORPORATE INTERESTS 
AND DEMOCRATS WHO ARE INTERESTED
IN JUST POLITICS AND POWER AND 
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE 
WHO'S GOING TO FIGHT FOR THEM.
LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO'S GOING 
TO GROW MANUFACTURING SECTOR OF 
OUR ECONOMY SO THOSE 74% OF 
AMERICANS WHO DON'T HAVE A 
COLLEGE DEGREE ARE HAVING A 
CHANCE TO RISE AGAIN.
SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO STAND UP 
AND BE VERY CLEAR WITH OUR 
ENEMIES AS TO THE LINES THEIR 
GOING TO DRAW AND STAND WITH 
THEM.
I'VE GOT A TRACK RECORD.
THE REASON I DID SO WELL LAST 
TIME IS NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE 
VISION, IT'S BECAUSE I HAVE A 
TRACK RECORD IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
OF GETTING THINGS DONE.
IRAN SANCTIONS, THE IRAN 
SANCTIONS THAT BROUGHT THEM TO 
THE TABLE, THOSE ARE SANCTIONS 
THAT WE PUT IN PLACE WHEN I WAS 
IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE.
AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS
THAT PUT ME IN A POSITION OF 
SAYING I NOT ONLY HAVE A GREAT 
VISION BUT I CAN GOVERN 
EFFECTIVELY IN WASHINGTON. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR. 
>> GOVERNOR JINDAL, YOU'RE ONE 
OF TWO SITTING GOVERNORS ON THE 
STAGE TONIGHT.
BUT YOUR APPROVAL NUMBERS AT 
HOME ARE IN THE MID 30s AT THIS 
POINT.
IN A RECENT POLL THAT SHOWED YOU
IN A HEAD-TO-HEAD AGAINST 
HILLARY CLINTON IN LOUISIANA, 
SHE BEAT YOU BY SEVERAL POINTS.
SO IF THE PEOPLE OF LOUISIANA 
ARE NOT SATISFIED, WHAT MAKES 
YOU THINK THAT THE PEOPLE OF 
THIS NATION WOULD BE?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK 
Y'ALL FOR HAVING US.
I WON TWO RECORD ELECTIONS.
LAST TIME I WAS ELECTED 
GOVERNOR, WON A RECORD MARGIN IN
MY STATE.
WE GOT A LOT OF POLITICIANS THAT
WILL KISS BABIES, DO WHATEVER IT
TAKES TO BE POPULAR.
THAT'S NOT WHY I RAN FOR OFFICE.
I RAN FOR OFFICE TO MAKE THE 
GENERATIONAL CHANGES IN 
LOUISIANA.
WE'VE CUT 26% OF OUR BUDGET.
WE HAVE 30,000 FEWER STATE 
BUREAUCRATS THAN THE DAY I TOOK 
OFFICE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS CUT 
THAT MUCH GOVERNMENT ANYWHERE AT
ANY TIME.
AS A RESULT, EIGHT CREDIT 
UPGRADES.
AS A RESULT, A TOP TEN STATE FOR
PRIVATE SECTOR JOB CREATION.
AND WE FOUGHT FOR STATEWIDE 
SCHOOL CHOICE WHERE THE DOLLARS 
FOLLOW THE CHILD INSTEAD OF THE 
CHILD FOLLOWING THE DOLLARS.
WE'VE BEEN THE MOST PRO-LIFE 
STATE SIX YEARS IN A ROW.
MY POINT IS THIS.
I WON TWO LANDSLIDE ELECTIONS.
I MADE BIG CHANGES.
I THINK OUR COUNTRY IS TIRED OF 
THE POLITICIANS WHO SIMPLY READ 
THE POLLS AND FAIL TO LEAD.
BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS 
HAVE GOTTEN US IN THE MESS WE'RE
IN.
$18 TRILLION OF DEBT.
A BAD DEAL WITH IRAN.
WE'RE NOT STANDING WITH ISRAEL.
I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE 
LOOK FOR REAL LEADERSHIP.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE IN 
LOUISIANA.
THAT'S WHAT I'LL DO IN AMERICA. 
>> SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM, YOU 
WORKED WITH DEMOCRATS AND 
PRESIDENT OBAMA WHEN IT CAME TO 
CLIMATE CHANGE.
SOMETHING YOU KNOW IS EXTREMELY 
UNPOPULAR WITH CONSERVATIVE 
REPUBLICANS.
HOW CAN THEY TRUST YOU BASED ON 
THAT RECORD?
>> YOU CAN TRUST ME TO DO THE 
FOLLOWING.
THAT WHEN I GET ON THE CHANGE 
WITH HILLARY CLINTON WE WON'T BE
DEBATING ABOUT THE SCIENCE BUT 
ABOUT THE SOLUTIONS.
IN HER WORLD, CAP-AND-TRADE 
WOULD DOMINATE.
THAT WILL DESTROY THE ECONOMY IN
THE NAME OF HELPING THE 
ENVIRONMENT.
IN MY WORLD WE'LL FOCUS ON 
ENERGY INDEPENDENCE AND A CLEAN 
ENVIRONMENT.
WHEN IT COMES TO FOSSIL FUELS 
WE'RE GOING TO FIND MORE HERE 
AND USE LESS.
OVER TIME WE'RE GOING TO BECOME 
ENERGY INDEPENDENT.
I AM TIRED OF SENDING $300 
BILLION OVERSEAS TO BUY OIL FROM
PEOPLE WHO HATE OUR GUTS.
THE CHOICE BETWEEN A WEAK 
ECONOMY AND A STRONG ENVIRONMENT
IS A FALSE CHOICE.
THAT IS NOT THE CHOICE I'LL 
OFFER AMERICA.
A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT, A STRONG 
ECONOMY AND ENERGY INDEPENDENT 
AMERICA THAT.
WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF MY 
PRESIDENCY IS BREAK THE STRANGLE
HOLD THAT PEOPLE ENJOY ON FOSSIL
FUELS WHO HATE OUR GUTS.
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR.
>> GOVERNOR PATAKI, FOUR YEARS 
AGO THIS MONTH YOU CALLED IT 
QUITS IN A RACE FOR THE 
PRESIDENCY IN 2012.
BUT NOW YOU'RE BACK.
MITT ROMNEY DECLINED TO RUN THIS
TIME BECAUSE HE BELIEVED THAT 
THE PARTY NEEDED NEW BLOOD.
DOES HE HAVE A POINT?
>> I THINK WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO 
HASN'T BEEN A CAREER POLITICIAN 
AND WHO'S BEEN OUT OF OFFICE FOR
AWHILE.
I THINK THE LAST EIGHT YEARS IN 
THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAVE ALLOWED 
ME TO SEE GOVERNMENT FROM THE 
OUTSIDE.
AND I THINK THAT IS A POSITIVE 
THING.
YES, I THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING 
FOUR YEARS AGO.
I WAS READY TO LEAD, BUT I 
WASN'T READY TO RUN.
BUT I LOOK AT THIS COUNTRY 
TODAY, AND I LOOK AT HOW DIVIDED
WE ARE.
I LOOK AT HOW POLITICIANS ARE 
ALWAYS POSTURING AND ISSUESING 
SOUND BITES BUT NEVER SOLVING 
PROBLEMS.
WHAT I DID IN NEW YORK WAS BRING
PEOPLE TOGETHER, AN 
OVERWHELMINGLY DEMOCRATIC STATE.
BUT I WAS ABLE TO GET DEMOCRATS 
TO SUPPORT THE MOST CONSERVATIVE
SWEEPING POLICY CHANGES IN ANY 
STATE IN AMERICA.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT WASHINGTON 
TODAY, WE NEED TO BRING US 
TOGETHER.
WE NEED TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
WE NEED TO REBUILD OUR MILITARY 
SO WE CAN STAND UP TO RADICAL 
ISLAM.
WE NEED TO GET OUR ECONOMY 
GROWING MUCH FASTER BY THROWING 
OUT THE CORRUPT TAX CODE AND 
LOW, THE RATES.
WE HAVE TO END CRONY CAPITALISM 
IN WASHINGTON WHERE THE 
LOBBYISTS AND THE POWERFUL CAN 
GET TAX BREAKS AND TAX CREDITS 
AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T 
GET LAWS IN THEIR INTEREST.
I CAN DO THAT.
AND I CAN DO IT REGARDLESS OF 
WHAT THE MAKEUP OF CONGRESS IS.
BECAUSE I DID IT IN NEW YORK 
STATE.
SO WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP, YES.
I WILL BE THAT NEW LEADER. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR. 
>> FROM ONE SIDE OF THE STAGE TO
THE OTHER, GOVERNOR JIM GILMORE.
YOU WERE THE LAST PERSON ON 
STAGE TO DECLARE YOUR CANDIDACY.
YOU RAN FOR THE WHITE HOUSE ONCE
AND LOST.
YOU RAN FOR THE SENATE ONE TIME 
AND LOST.
YOU HAVEN'T HELD PUBLIC OFFICE 
IN 13 YEARS.
SIMILAR QUESTION, IS IT TIME FOR
NEW BLOOD?
>> I THINK THE TIMES ARE 
DIFFERENT NOW.
I THINK THE TIMES ARE MUCH MORE 
SERIOUS.
BECAUSE OF THE OBAMA-CLINTON 
POLICIES, THE UNITED STATES IS 
MOVING FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO 
A DECLINE.
I WANT TO REVERSE THAT DECLINE.
THAT'S WHY I'VE ENTERED THIS 
RACE.
AND I THINK I HAVE THE 
EXPERIENCE TO DO IT.
FORMER ELECTED PROSECUTOR, 
ATTORNEY GENERAL, GOVERNOR.
I WAS ELECTED TO ALL OF THOSE 
OFFICES.
A PERSON WHO IN FACT HAS A LONG 
EXPERIENCE IN FOREIGN POLICY 
ISSUES WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM 
MANY OF THE OTHER GOVERNORS AND 
PERSPECTIVE GOVERNORS RUNNING.
I WAS AN ARMY INTELLIGENCE AGENT
AND VETERAN IN THE COLD WAR 
ASSIGNED TO WEST GERMANY.
I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE 
NATIONAL COMMISSION ON HOMELAND 
SECURITY AND TERRORISM FOR THE 
UNITED STATES FOR FIVE YEARS.
I WAS A PERSON WHO HAS DEALT 
EXTENSIVELY WITH THESE HOMELAND 
SECURITY ISSUES.
I WAS A GOVERNOR DURING THE 9/11
ATTACK.
I UNDERSTAND BOTH OF THESE 
ISSUES, HOW TO BUILD THE 
ECONOMY, AND DOING THAT AS A 
GOVERNOR WHO BUILT JOBS AND CUT 
TAXES, AND ALSO A GOVERNOR WHO 
UNDERSTANDS FOREIGN POLICY 
ISSUES.
AND THAT'S WHY I ENTERED THIS 
RACE. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR. 
>> ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY.
NOW TO THE ELEPHANT THAT IS NOT 
IN THE ROOM TONIGHT, DONALD 
TRUMP.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS 
GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE HUGE 
AMOUNT OF POLITICAL CHATTER THAT
HE IS DRIVING ON FACEBOOK RIGHT 
NOW.
SOME OF IT GOOD, PROBABLY, SOME 
OF IT BAD.
BUT HE IS THE BETTER OF YOU. 
>> WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 
CELEBRITY OF DONALD TRUMP, THEN 
I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT 
IT.
ONE THING I LIKE TO REMIND 
PEOPLE IS BACK IN 2007, RUDY 
GIULIANI WAS LEADING THE POLLS 
FOR ALMOST A YEAR.
I'LL SUGGEST PART OF THAT WAS 
HIS CELEBRITY.
FRED THOMPSON WAS THE OTHER ONE,
A MAN WHO SPENDS A LOT OF TIME 
ON THAT SCREEN.
I'VE HAD MY ISSUES WITH DONALD 
TRUMP.
I TALKED ABOUT DONALD TRUMP FROM
THE STANDPOINT OF BEING AN 
INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS USING HIS 
CELEBRITY RATHER THAN HIS 
CONSERVATISM.
HOW CAN YOU RUN FOR THE 
REPUBLICAN NOMINATION AND BE FOR
SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE?
I MEAN, I ASK THAT WITH ALL DUE 
RESPECT.
AND NOBODY, NOBODY ON EITHER ONE
OF THESE STAGES HAS DONE MORE 
THAN I'VE DONE AND THE PEOPLE OF
THE STATE OF TEXAS TO DEAL WITH 
SECURING THAT BORDER.
WE SENT OUR TEXAS RANGER RECON 
TEAMS.
WE SENT OUR PARKS AND WILDLIFE 
WARDENS.
I DEPLOYED THE NATIONAL GUARD 
AFTER I STOOD ON THE RAMP IN 
DALLAS, TEXAS AND LOOKED THE 
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 
IN THE EYE AND SAID, 
MR. PRESIDENT, IF YOU WON'T 
SECURE THE BORDER, TEXAS WILL.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.
WE NEED A PRESIDENT THAT DOESN'T
JUST TALK A GAME, BUT A 
PRESIDENT THAT'S GOT REAL 
RESULTS. 
>> ALL RIGHT.
I WANT TO ASK THAT SAME 
QUESTION, BECAUSE IT'S TRUE 
REALLY OF ALL OF YOU ON THIS 
STAGE, THAT LIKE IT OR NOT 
DONALD TRUMP IS -- THERE'S A 
HUGE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE POLL 
NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE AND THE 
POLL NUMBERS THAT HE HAS.
GIVEN ALSO THE FACT THAT RUDY 
GIULIANI SAID HE THOUGHT THAT 
THERE MAY BE SOME REAGAN 
QUALITIES TO DONALD TRUMP.
SO CARLY FIORINA, IS HE GETTING 
THE BETTER OF YOU?
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I DIDN'T GET A PHONE CALL FROM 
BILL CLINTON BEFORE I JUMPED IN 
THE RACE.
DID ANY OF YOU GET A PHONE CALL 
FROM BILL CLINTON?
I DIDN'T.
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I HADN'T 
GIVEN MONEY TO THE FOUNDATION OR
DONATED TO HIS WIFE'S SENATE 
CAMPAIGN.
HERE'S THE THING THEY WOULD ASK 
DONALD TRUMP IN ALL SERIOUSNESS.
HE IS THE PARTY'S FRONTRUNNER 
RIGHT NOW, AND GOOD FOR HIM.
I THINK HE'S TAPPED INTO AN 
ANGER THAT PEOPLE FEEL.
THEY'RE SICK OF POLITICS AS 
USUAL.
YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOUR ISSUE, 
YOUR CAUSE, THE FESTERING 
PROBLEM YOU HOPED WOULD 
RESOLVED, THE POLITICAL CLASS 
HAS FAILED YOU.
THAT'S JUST A FACT.
AND THAT'S WHAT DONALD TRUMP 
TAPS INTO.
I WOULD ALSO JUST SAY THIS.
SINCE HE HAS CHANGED HIS MIND ON
AMNESTY, ON HEALTH CARE AND ON 
ABORTION, I WOULD JUST ASK WHAT 
ARE THE PRINCIPLES BY WHICH HE 
WILL GOVERN. 
>> THANK YOU. 
>> THIS SATURDAY, AUGUST 8th, 
TWO DAYS FROM NOW MARKS ONE YEAR
SINCE THE STRIKES BEGAN AGAINST 
ISIS IN IRAQ AND FOLLOWED IN 
SYRIA ONE MONTH LATER.
THIS WEEK A LEADING GENERAL IN 
THE U.S. MARINE CORPS SAYS ONE 
YEAR LATER, THAT FIGHT IS AT A 
STALEMATE.
GOVERNOR JINDAL, GIVE ME ONE 
EXAMPLE HOW YOUR FIGHT AGAINST 
ISIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT OVER 
THERE. 
>> WELL, TO START WITH, UNLIKE 
PRESIDENT OBAMA, I'LL ACTUALLY 
NAME THE ENEMY THAT WE CONFRONT.
WE'VE GOT A PRESIDENT WHO CANNOT
BRING HIMSELF TO SAY THE WORDS 
RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM.
HE LOVES TO CRITICIZE AMERICA, 
APOLOGIZE FOURS, CRITICIZE 
MEDEIVAL CHRISTIANS.
HOW CAN WE BEAT EVEN AM I IF OUR
COMMANDER IN CHIEF DOESN'T HAVE 
THE HONESTY AND MORAL CLARITY TO
SAY THAT PROBLEM IS RADICAL 
ISLAM.
THEY'VE GOT TO CONDEMN NOT 
GENERIC ACTS OF VIOLENCE, THE 
INDIVIDUAL MURDERERS WHO ARE 
COMMITTING THESE ACTS OF 
VIOLENCE.
WE'VE GOT A PRESIDENT INSTEAD 
WHO SAYS WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE 
HEARTS AND MINDS.
SOMETIMES YOU WIN A WAR BY 
KILLING MURDEROUS, EVIL 
TERRORISTS.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE 
POLITICAL HANDCUFFS OFF THE 
MILITARY.
WE WILL ARM AND TRAIN THE KURDS.
WE WILL WORK WITH OUR SUNNI 
ALLIES.
THEY KNOW WE WILL B COMMITTED 
TO VICTORY.
WE HAVE THIS FAILED RED LINE 
WITH ASSAD AND IT DISCOURAGED 
FOLKS WHO WANT TO HELP US ON THE
GROUND.
FINALLY WE'LL TAKE OFF THE 
POLITICAL HANDCUFFS.
WE'LL GO TO THE CONGRESS.
THIS PRESIDENT HAS GONE TO THE 
CONGRESS AND SAID GIVE ME A 
THREE-YEAR DEADLINE BAN ON 
GROUND TROOPS.
I'M GOING TO GO TO THE SENATORS 
AND SAY GIVE ME A PLAN TO WIN.
YOU CAN'T SEND YOUR TROOPS INTO 
HARM'S WAY UNLESS YOU GIVE THEM 
EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO BE 
SUCCESSFUL. 
>> THE SENATOR TO YOUR RIGHT HAS
CALLED FOR 20,000 AMERICAN 
TROOPS IN SYRIA AND IRAQ SO FAR 
TODAY, SENATOR GRAHAM.
I'LL GIVE THIS QUESTION TO YOU.
WHY SHOULD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 
AFTER TWO WARS IN IRAQ SACRIFICE
YET AGAIN ON A THIRD WAR?
>> IF WE DON'T STOP THEM OVER 
THERE, THEY ARE COMING HERE JUST
AS SURE AS I STAND HERE IN FRONT
OF YOU.
ONE THING I WANT TO BE CLEAR 
ABOUT TONIGHT.
IF YOU'RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT 
OF THE UNITED STATES AND YOU 
DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED 
MORE AMERICAN GROUND FORCES IN 
IRAQ, AND THAT AMERICA HAS TO BE
PART OF A REGIONAL GROUND FORCE 
THAT WILL GO INTO SYRIA AND 
DESTROY ISIL IN SYRIA, THEN 
YOU'RE NOT READY TO BE COMMANDER
IN CHIEF.
AND YOU'RE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT 
DESTROYING ISIL.
ACCORDING TO THE GENERALS THEY 
KNOW AND TRUST, THIS AIR 
CAMPAIGN WILL NOT DESTROY ISIL.
WE NEED OUR GROUND FORCE IN IRAQ
AND SYRIA, AND AMERICA HAS TO BE
PART OF THAT GROUND FORCE.
ACCORDING TO THE FBI AND THE 
DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL 
INTELLIGENCE, SYRIA'S BECOMING A
PERFECT PLATFORM TO STRIKE OUR 
NATION.
I'VE GOT A VERY SIMPLE STRATEGY 
AS YOUR PRESIDENT AGAINST ISIL.
WHATEVER IT TAKES, AS LONG AS IT
TAKES, TO DEFEAT THEM. 
>> SENATOR, THANK YOU. 
>>> ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GET TO OUR FIRST 
COMMERCIAL BREAK.
THERE IS PLENTY MORE TO DISCUSS 
TONIGHT.
COMING UP, IMMIGRATION, MORE ON 
ISIS AND HOMELAND SECURITY AS 
WELL AS WE CONTINUE LIVE TONIGHT
FROM CLEVELAND, OHIO.
>>> IT IS DEBATE NIGHT.
WELCOME BACK TO CLEVELAND, OHIO.
LET'S GET BACK TO THE QUESTIONS 
RIGHT NOW WITH MARTHA. 
>> ALL RIGHT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT ISIS AND THE 
THREAT TO THE HOMELAND THAT WE 
HAVE SEEN GROWING IN RECENT 
MONTHS.
THIS GOES TO GOVERNOR PATAKI.
69 ISIS-INSPIRED TERRORISTS HAVE
BEEN ARRESTED IN THIS COUNTRY IN
HOMELAND.
AND THE FBI ASSURES US THERE ARE
LIKELY MANY MORE TO COME.
THE PRESIDENT IS RELUCTANT TO 
LABEL THESE TERRORISTS ISLAMIC 
EXTREMISTS.
BUT YOU'VE SAID THAT YOU HAVE NO
PROBLEM WITH THAT LABEL.
THEN COMES THE HARD PART.
SO HERE'S THE QUESTION.
HOW FAR ARE YOU WILLING TO GO TO
ROOT OUT THIS PROBLEM HERE AT 
HOME?
WOULD YOU PUT MOSQUES, FOR 
EXAMPLE, POTENTIALLY UNDER 
SURVEILLANCE?
AND KEEP IN MIND THAT 
CONSERVATIVES ARE INCREASINGLY 
CONCERNED IN THIS COUNTRY WITH 
RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. 
>> MARTHA, RELIGIOUS LIBERTY 
DOESN'T INCLUDE ENCOURAGING A 
FELLOW AMERICAN TO ENGAGE IN 
VIOLENT JIHAD AND KILL AN 
AMERICAN HERE.
THAT IS NOT PROTECTED FREE 
SPEECH.
THAT IS NOT PROTECTED RELIGIOUS 
BELIEF.
THAT IS LIKE SHOUTING FIRE IN A 
CROWDED THEATER.
AND THAT IS ILLEGAL.
AND I WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN OUR
POWER NOT JUST TO GO AFTER THOSE
WHO ARE HERE WHO WE KNOW WHO ARE
HERE, BEFORE THEY CAN RADICALIZE
OTHER AMERICANS TO CARRY OUT 
ATTACKS.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE ONES 
THEY'VE ARRESTED.
THINK BACK TO GARLAND, TEXAS.
BUT FOR THAT TEXAS POLICE 
OFFICER WE COULD HAVE HAD A MASS
MURDER.
WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THEIR 
INTERNET CAPABILITY.
WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN WHETHER OR 
NOT THEY'RE IN PRISONS PREACHING
OR IN MOSQUES PREACHING.
NO RADICAL ISLAM THAT IS ALLOWED
TO ENGAGE IN ENCOURAGING 
VIOLENCE AGAINST AMERICANS, THAT
IS NOT PROTECTED SPEECH.
LET ME JUST ADD ONE THING ABOUT 
ISIS OVER THERE.
WE HAVE GOT TO DESTROY THEIR 
TRAINING CAMPS AND RECRUITING 
CENTERS.
I WAS GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK ON 
SEPTEMBER 11th.
I KNOW WE ARE AT GREATER RISK 
TODAY THAN AT ANY TIME SINCE 
THEN OF ANOTHER ATTACK.
WE HAVE GOT TO DESTROY THEIR 
TRAINING CAMPS OVER THERE BEFORE
THEY CAN ATTACK US HERE.
I DON'T AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING 
TO OCCUPY AND SPEND ANOTHER 
DECADE OR A TRILLION DOLLARS.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS DESTROY 
THEIR ABILITY TO ATTACK US HERE 
OVER THERE.
AND THEN GET OUT.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE TWO SONS.
BOTH SERVED.
ONE AS A MARINE OFFICER IN IRAQ,
ONE AS AN ARMY OFFICER IN 
AFGHANISTAN.
I DO NOT WANT TO SEE ONE PARENT 
OR LOVED ONE WORRYING ABOUT 
GETTING A CALL IN THE MIDDLE OF 
THE NIGHT.
I WOULD NOT PLACE ONE AMERICAN 
LIFE AT RISK UNLESS IT WAS 
ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
BUT TO DESTROY ISIS IT IS 
NECESSARY. 
>> ALL RIGHT.
THIS QUESTION TO CARLY FIORINA.
THE FBI DIRECTOR COMEY SAYS THAT
TERRORISTS CAN THRIVE HERE AT 
HOME BECAUSE THEY GO DARK AND 
THEY RECRUIT BEHIND THE CYBER 
WALLS THAT ARE BUILT BY AMERICAN
COMPANIES LIKE GOOGLE AND APPLE.
COMEY SAYS THIS IS A BIG 
PROBLEM.
RAND PAUL SAYS THAT THE 
GOVERNMENT FORCING THESE 
COMPANIES TO BRING DOWN THOSE 
WALLS WOULD BE A BIG PRIVACY 
ISSUE AND A DANGEROUS WAY TO GO 
ON THIS.
YOU'VE BEEN A TECH LEADER IN 
THIS COUNTRY.
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?
>> LET ME SAY FIRST THAT IT IS 
DISTURBING THAT EVERY TIME ONE 
OF THESE HOME-GROWN TERRORISTS 
ATTACKS OCCURS, AND AS YOUR 
QUESTION POINTS OUT THEY ARE 
OCCURRING WITH FAR TOO GREAT 
FREQUENCY, IT TURNSUT WE HAD 
WARNING SIGNALS.
IT TURNS OUT WE KNEW SOMETHING 
WAS WRONG.
IT TURNS OUT SOME DOT WASN'T 
CONNECTED.
SO THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO
IS MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE AND 
EVERY RESPONSIBLE AGENCY IS 
ATTUNED TO ALL OF THESE 
POSSIBILITIES AND SYMPTOMS.
WE EVEN HAD WARNINGS ABOUT THE 
BOSTON MARATHON BOMBERS.
AND YET THE DOTS WEREN'T 
CONNECTED.
SO WE NEED TO GET ON A DIFFERENT
MINDSET.
SECONDLY, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT 
THAT WE NEED TO TEAR DOWN CYBER 
WALLS, NOT ON A MASS BASIS BUT 
ON A TARGETED BASIS.
BUT LET ME JUST SAY THAT WE ALSO
NEED TO TEAR DOWN THE CYBER 
WALLS THAT CHINA IS ERECTING, 
THAT RUSSIA IS ERECTING.
WE NEED TO BE VERY WELL AWARE OF
THE FACT THAT CHINA AND RUSSIA 
ARE USING TECHNOLOGY TO ATTACK 
US JUST AS ISIS IS USING 
TECHNOLOGY TO RECRUIT THOSE WHO 
WOULD MURDER AMERICAN CITIZENS.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO
WHOLESALE DESTROY EVERY AMERICAN
CITIZEN'S PRIVACY IN ORDER TO GO
AFTER THOSE THAT WE KNOW ARE 
SUSPECT OR ARE ALREADY A 
PROBLEM.
BUT YES, THERE IS MORE 
COLLABORATION REQUIRED BETWEEN 
PRIVATE SECTOR COMPANIES AND THE
PUBLIC SECTOR.
AND SPECIFICALLY WE KNOW THAT WE
COULD HAVE DETECTED AND REPELLED
SOME OF THESE CYBER ATTACKS IF 
THAT COLLABORATION HAD BEEN 
PERMITTED.
A LAW HAS BEEN SITTING 
LANGUISHING SADLY ON CAPITOL 
HILL AND HAS NOT YET BEEN PASSED
AND IT WOULD HELP. 
>> WOULD YOU TONIGHT CALL FOR 
GOOGLE AND APPLE TO COOPERATE IN
THESE INVESTIGATIONS AND LET THE
FBI IN WHERE THEY NEED TO GO?
>> I ABSOLUTELY WOULD CALL ON 
THEM TO COLLABORATE AND 
COOPERATE, YET. 
>> I HAVE NOT HEARD THE BELL 
JUST YET.
YOU'RE ALL VERY WELL BEHAVED.
GOVERNOR GILMORE?
>> I CHAIRED HOMELAND SECURITY 
COMMITTEE FOR UNITED STATES.
WE WARNED ABOUT THE 9/11 ATTACK 
BEFORE THE 9/11 ATTACK OCCURRED.
I WAS THE GOVERNOR DURING THE 
9/11 ATTACK WHEN THE PENTAGON 
WAS STRUCK.
AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THIS.
WE NEED TO USE THE BENEFIT OF 
OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE 
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, COMBINED 
WITH OUR INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE 
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
WE NEED TO USE OUR TECHNOLOGICAL
ADVANTAGES.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE WARNED OF IS 
AN INTERNATIONAL GUERILLA 
MOVEMENT THAT THREATENS THIS 
COUNTRY.
IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS 
COUNTRY.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE FURTHER 
ATTACKS.
WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO DEFEND
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, PREPARE 
THEM FOR A LONG WAR, STAND UP 
FOR THE DEFENSE OF THIS COUNTRY,
AND STAND UP FOR THE VALUES OF 
THIS COUNTRY. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR.
I'VE GOT TO MOVE ON TO 
IMMIGRATION HERE.
SENATOR SANTORUM, YOU WOULD 
ARGUE YOU HAVE ONE OF THE 
TOUGHER POSITIONS ON ILLEGAL 
IMMIGRATION IN THE ENTIRE 17 
CANDIDATE FIELD AT THE MOMENT.
WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE 
ON THE ABSTRACT LEVEL IN 
WASHINGTON, D.C.
BUT YOU KNOW HOW IT'S BEING 
TALKED ABOUT IN STATES LIKE IOWA
AND NEW HAMPSHIRE AMONG ILLEGALS
IN OUR COUNTRY TODAY.
11 MILLION PLUS.
AND SOME ARE ASKING, WHAT WOULD 
YOU SAY TO A CHILD, BORN AND 
RAISED IN AMERICA, WHO COULD SEE
THEIR FAMILY BROKEN APART BY 
YOUR POLICY?
>> MY FATHER WAS BORN IN ITALY.
SHORTLY AFTER HE WAS BORN MY 
GRANDFATHER IMMIGRATED TO THIS 
COUNTRY.
UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY, 
HE WASN'T ALLOWED TO BE WITH HIS
FATHER FOR SEVEN YEARS.
SPENT THE FIRST SEVEN YEARS OF 
HIS LIFE IN FASCIST ITALY UNDER 
MUSSOLINI.
NOT A VERY PLEASANT PLACE TO BE.
SKID MY DAD AFTER I FOUND OUT 
ABOUT THIS.
I SAID DIDN'T YOU RESENT AMERICA
FOR NOT LETTING YOU BE WITH YOUR
FATHER IN THIS FORMATIVE AND 
VERY THREATENING YEARS.
YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID TO ME?
AMERICA WAS WORTH THE WAIT.
WE'RE A COUNTRY OF LAWS, BILL.
WE'RE A COUNTRY OF LAWS, NOT OF 
MEN, NOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO 
WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
I KNOW WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO 
WANTS TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO
DO AND TAKE HIS PEN AND HIS 
PHONE AND JUST TELL EVERYBODY 
WHAT HE THINKS IS BEST.
BUT THE REASON AMERICA IS A 
GREAT COUNTRY, THE REASON IS 
BECAUSE OUR COMPASSION IS IN OUR
LAWS.
AND WHEN WE LIVE BY THOSE LAWS 
AND WE TREAT EVERYBODY EQUALLY 
UNDER THE LAW, THAT'S WHEN 
PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT BEING 
AMERICANS.
AND I PUT FORTH AN IMMIGRATION 
POLICY THAT IS AS STRONG IN 
FAVOR OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE 
STRUGGLING IN AMERICA THE MOST 
THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
IT'S THE STRONGEST PRO-WORKER 
IMMIGRATION PLAN.
IT SAYS THAT AFTER 35 MILLION 
PEOPLE HAVE COME HERE OVER THE 
LAST 20 YEARS, ALMOST ALL OF 
WHOM ARE UNSKILLED WORKERS, 
FLATTENING WAGES, CREATING A 
LACK OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR 
UNSKILLED WORKERS, WE'RE GOING 
TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT REDUCING 
THE LEVEL OF IMMIGRATION BY 25%.
WE'RE GOING TO BE TOUGH AT THE 
BORDER.
WE'RE GOING TO BE TOUGH ON ALL 
OF THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT 
EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS FIELD.
WE'RE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY OUT 
THERE TRYING TO CREATE A BETTER 
LIFE FOR HARD-WORKING AMERICANS.
>> GOVERNOR PERRY, TRY AND 
ANSWER THIS QUESTION AGAIN.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE FAMILY OF
ILLEGALS?
ARE YOU GOING TO BREAK THEM 
APART?
>> BILL, HERE'S THE INTERESTING 
POSITION ON THIS.
AMERICANS ARE TIRED OF HEARING 
THIS DEBATE WANT TO GO TO WHAT 
ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT 
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?
FOR 30 YEARS THIS COUNTRY HAS 
BEEN BAITED WITH THAT.
ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHEN RONALD 
REAGAN SIGNED A PIECE OF 
LEGISLATION THAT BASICALLY 
ALLOWED FOR AMNESTY FOR OVER 4 
MILLION PEOPLE AND THE BORDER IS
STILL NOT SECURE.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NEVER 
GOING TO TRUST WASHINGTON, D.C.
AND FOR GOOD REASON.
WE HEAR ALL THIS DISCUSSION 
ABOUT WELL I WOULD DO THIS OR I 
WOULD DO THAT.
WHEN THE FACT IS, THE BORDER IS 
STILL POROUS.
UNTIL WE HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES THAT GETS UP EVERY
DAY AND GOES TO THE OVAL OFFICE 
WITH THE INTENT PURPOSE OF 
SECURING THAT BORDER, AND 
THERE'S NOT ANYBODY ON EITHER 
ONE OF THESE STAGES THAT HAS THE
EXPERIENCE OF DEALING WITH THIS 
AS I HAVE FOR OVER 14 YEARS WITH
THAT 1200-MILE BORDER.
WE HAVE TO PUT THE PERSONNEL ON 
THAT BORDER IN THE RIGHT PLACES.
YOU HAVE TO PUT THE STRATEGIC 
FENCING IN PLACE.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AVIATION 
ASSETS THAT FLY ALL THE WAY FROM
TIJUANA TO EL PASO TO 
BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS.
1933 MILES LOOKING DOWN 24/7 
WITH THE TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE 
TO IDENTIFY WHAT INDIVIDUALS ARE
DOING.
AND I.D. WHEN THEY ARE IN 
OBVIOUSLY ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES OR 
SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES AND QUICK 
RESPONSE TEAMS THAT COME AT THAT
PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME.
THEN AMERICANS WILL BELIEVE THAT
WASHINGTON IS UP TO A 
CONVERSATION TO DEAL WITH THE 
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE
ILLEGALLY BUT NOT UNTIL.
IF YOU ELECT ME PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, I WILL SECURE 
THAT SOUTHERN BORDER.
>> GOVERNOR, THANK YOU. 
>>> ON THAT NOTE, NEXT THE 
CANDIDATES TAKE ON THE FUTURE OF
THE U.S. ECONOMY.
WHEN WE COME BACK AFTER THIS 
QUICK BREAK.
>>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.
IT IS THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUR.
AND WE ARE BACK LIVE FROM 
CLEVELAND'S QUICKEN LOANS ARENA 
KICKING OFF THE FIRST 2016 
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY DEBATE. 
>> LET'S START RIGHT NOW 30 
MINUTES IN JUMP BACK INTO THE 
TOPICS AND CONTINUE OUR 
DISCUSSION OF NATIONAL ISSUES ON
THE DOMESTIC LEVEL.
THE ISSUE THAT IS REALLY NUMBER 
ONE ON THE MINDS OF MANY VOTERS,
THAT'S THE ECONOMY AND JOBS.
>> SO LET'S START WITH SENATOR 
GRAHAM.
SENATOR GRAHAM, 82 MILLION 
AMERICANS OVER THE AGE OF 20 ARE
OUT OF THE WORKFORCE.
45 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS 
COUNTRY ARE ON FOOD STAMPS.
9 MILLION ARE ON DISABILITY.
ALL OF THESE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN 
RISING SHARPLY IN RECENT YEARS.
THERE IS AN INCREASING 
WILLINGNESS IN THIS COUNTRY TO 
ACCEPT ASSISTANCE.
HOW DO YOU GET AMERICANS WHO ARE
ABLE TO TAKE THE JOB INSTEAD OF 
A HANDOUT?
>> I THINK AMERICA'S DYING TO 
WORK.
YOU JUST NEED TO GIVE THEM A 
CHANCE.
TO ALL THE AMERICANS WHO WANT A 
BETTER LIFE, DON'T VOTE FOR 
HILLARY CLINTON.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT.
SHE'S NOT GOING TO REPEAL OBAMA 
CARE AND REPLACE IT.
I WILL.
SHE'S NOT GOING TO BUILD THE 
KEYSTONE PIPELINE.
I WILL.
SHE'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE -- 
UNTIL YOU CHANGE THE POLICIES OF
BARACK OBAMA WE'RE NEVER GOING 
TO GROW THIS ECONOMY.
UNTIL YOU CHANGE THE POLICIES OF
BARACK OBAMA WE'RE NEVER GOING 
TO BE SAFE.
SHE REPRESENTS A THIRD TERM OF A
FAILED PRESIDENCY.
I'M FLUENT IN CLINTON SPEAK.
I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS 
CROWD FOR 20 YEARS.
YOU KNOW WHEN BILL CLINTON SAYS 
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE MEANING 
OF "IS" IS?
THAT MEANS IS IS WHATEVER BILL 
WANTS IT TO MEAN.
WHEN HILLARY CLINTON TELLS YOU 
I'VE GIVEN YOU ALL THE E-MAILS 
YOU NEED, THAT MEANS SHE HASN'T.
SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DYING FOR 
A BETTER AMERICA, YOU'D BETTER 
CHANGE COURSE.
AND SHE DOESN'T REPRESENT THE 
CHANGE THAT WE NEED.
DO WE ALL AGREE THAT ISIL IS NOT
THE J.V. TEAM?
IF I HAVE TO MONITOR A MOSQUE 
I'LL MONITOR A MOSQUE.
IF I HAVE TO TAKE DOWN A CYBER 
WALL I'LL TAKE IT.
IF I HAVE TO SEND MORE AMERICAN 
TROOPS TO PROTECT US HERE I'LL 
DO IT.
SHE WILL NOT.
SHE HAS EMPOWERED A FAILED 
AGENDA.
SHE IS GOING TO EMPOWER A FAILED
SOLUTION TO AN AMERICAN ECONOMY 
DYING TO GROW.
ELECT ME.
I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 
BEING FLAT BROKE, APPARENTLY SHE
DOESN'T.
AND HILLARY CLINTON'S WORLD 
AFTER TWO TERMS IN THE WHITE 
HOUSE WHERE HER HUSBAND WAS 
PRESIDENT, SHE SAID SHE WAS FLAT
BROKE.
HILLARY, I'LL SHOW YOU FLAT 
BROKE.
THAT'S NOT IT. 
>> ALL RIGHT.
SENATOR SANTORUM, LET'S GET BACK
TO THE QUESTION AT HAND.
WHICH IS WHETHER OR NOT 
AMERICANS HAVE BECOME TOO 
RELIANT ON ASSISTANCE OR TOO 
WILLING TO TAKE ASSISTANCE.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO 
CHANGE THE CULTURE IN THIS 
COUNTRY IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR 
NOT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING 
PEOPLE TO GET OFF OF IT, AND 
TAKE THE JOB WHEN IT'S 
AVAILABLE?
WHEN THEY'RE ABLE AND NOT DOING 
THAT. 
>> A ONE-TWO PUNCH.
CREATE BETTER-PAYING JOBS.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
WE HAVEN'T.
THAT'S THE REASON I'VE SAID 
UNDER MY PRESIDENCY WE'LL CREATE
JOBS AND MAKE AMERICA THE NUMBER
ONE MANUFACTURING COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD.
IF WE WANT TO CREATE JOBS FOR 
THE FOLKS THAT YOU'RE TALKING 
ABOUT WHO ARE HAVING TROUBLE 
GETTING OFF GOVERNMENT BENEFITS,
PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THEIR LOW 
SKILL LEVEL, THERE IS NO BETTER 
WAY.
IT'S WORKED FOR 100 YEARS IN 
AMERICA.
PUTTING PEOPLE BACK TO WORK IN 
MANUFACTURING IS IT.
I'M GOING TO BE INTRODUCING A 
PLAN WHICH I CALL THE 2020 
PERFECT VISION FOR AMERICA.
IT'S A 20% FLAT RATE TAX.
IT WILL TAKE A BLOW TORCH TO THE
IRS.
IT WILL CREATE A MANUFACTURING 
JUGGERNAUT IN THIS COUNTRY.
YOU COMBINE THAT WITH REFORMS OF
OUR WELFARE SYSTEM.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAN WHO 
INTRODUCED AND FOUGHT ON THE 
FLOOR AS A FRESHMAN SENATOR AND 
PASSED THE WELFARE REFORM ACT OF
1996.
OVER TWO CLINTON VETOES.
GOT 78 VOTES IN THE U.S. SNATS.
BIPARTISAN ISSUE AND ENDED A 
FEDERAL ENTITLEMENT.
NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE OR SINCE.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TAKE THE 
REST OF THE FEDERAL 
ENTITLEMENTS, NOT JUST WELFARE 
BUT FOOD STAMPS AND MEDICAID AND
HOUSING PROGRAMS AND DO THE SAME
THING WE DID WITH WELFARE.
WORK REQUIREMENTS AND TIME 
LIMITS.
THAT WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING. 
>> ALL RIGHT.
NEW QUESTION SAME TOPIC GOES TO 
GOVERNOR GILMORE.
BASED ON YOUR RECORD AND WHAT 
WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, WHICH IS 
POTENTIALLY CUTTING BACK SOME 
ENTITLEMENTS, CUTTING BACK 
BENEFITS, IT'S TRICKY BUSINESS 
AS WE ALL KNOW.
BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL ARGUE THAT 
THAT'S THEIR MEANS TO ESCAPE 
POVERTY.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT YOU 
WHEN YOU WANT TO DO THAT AND 
THEY WILL CALL YOU HEARTLESS.
WHAT WILL YOU TELL THEM?
>> I'LL TELL THEM THAT WE'RE 
GOING TO GROW THE ECONOMY SO 
THAT WE CAN GIVE PEOPLE BETTER 
OPPORTUNITIES SO THEY DON'T HAVE
TO RELY EXCLUSIVELY ON BENEFIT 
TYPES OF PROGRAMS.
SOME DO.
BUT MANY AMERICANS ARE DYING TO 
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW AND 
TO CREATE SOMETHING INSIDE THIS 
ECONOMY.
AND I'M GLAD THAT I HAVE A 
CHANCE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
I'VE HAD THE GROWTH CODE THERE 
FOR ABOUT FIVEES.
IT'S THIS SPECIFIC PROGRAM WE'RE
GOING TO DO A TAX CUT FOR ALL 
AMERICANS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A THREE 
BRACKET TAX CODE.
10, 15 AND 25%.
WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE ALL 
COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN BUSINESS 
INTO ONE PLACE IN THE TAX CODE 
AND CHARGE IT 15%, WHICH IS 
GOING TO SUDDENLY MAKE US 
COMPETITIVE WITH THE REST OF THE
WORLD.
AND WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE
DEATH TAX.
WITH A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL 
TWEAKS, WE KNOW WHAT THIS WILL 
DO.
IT WILL CAUSE THE ECONOMY TO 
GROW, TO EXPLODE, TO CREATE MORE
JOBS.
FIRST OF ALL WE'VE GOT TO 
RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A 
PROBLEM.
THAT BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY 
CLINTON HAVE CAUSED.
THAT PROBLEM IS TOO BIG 
REGULATIONS LIKE THE EPA, TOO 
MUCH NEW TAXES ON BUSINESS THAT 
WE HAVE SEEN, AND OBAMA CARE.
THESE ARE DRAGS ON THE ECONOMY.
IT'S A DELIBERATE DRAG.
I PROPOSE TO REVERSE THAT AND 
GET THIS ECONOMY MOVING AGAIN. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR.
YOUR LAST TOPIC BRINGS US TO THE
STATE OF OHIO.
YOU KNOW THE SAYING, RIGHT?
NO REPUBLICAN WINS THE WHITE 
HOUSE UNLESS YOU WIN HERE IN THE
BUCKEYE STATE.
WELL, HERE IN THE BUCKEYE STATE 
THE GOVERNOR JOHN KASICH TOOK 
THE FEDERAL MONEY FOR MEDICAID 
EXPANSION UNDER OBAMA CARE.
AND GOVERNOR JINDAL IN 
LOUISIANA, YOU PASSED ON THOSE 
TAX DOLLARS.
WHY DO YOU THINK GOVERNOR KASICH
GOT IT WRONG HERE?
>> WELL, THIS GOES TO THE 
QUESTION YOU WERE JUST ASKING.
LOOK, UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA AND 
SECRETARY CLINTON, THEY'RE 
WORKING HARD TO CHANGE THE 
AMERICAN DREAM INTO THE EUROPEAN
NIGHTMARE.
THEY DO CELEBRATE MORE 
DEPENDENCE ON THE GOVERNMENT.
GIVE BERNIE SANDERS CREDIT.
AT LEAST HE'S HONEST ENOUGH TO 
CALL HIMSELF A SOCIALIST.
BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY CLINTON
ARE NO BETTER.
IF WE WERE TO EXPAND MEDICAID 
FOR EVERY UNINSURED PERSON WE 
WOULD COVER IN LOUISIANA WE'D 
KICK MORE THAN ONE PERSON OUT OF
PRIVATE INSURANCE OR REMOVE 
THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO GET PRIVATE
INSURANCE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TOO MUCH 
PEOPLE IN THE CART RATHER THAN 
PULLING THE CART.
THAT ISN'T FREE MONEY.
I KNOW SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY 
THIS IS FREE MONEY.
WE PAY FEDERAL TAXES.
WE ARE BORROWING MONEY FROM 
CHINA TODAY.
YESTERDAY THE PRESIDENT 
STUNNINGLY ADMITTED THIS.
HE SAID, WE DON'T HAVE LEVERAGE 
WITH CHINA TO GET A BETTER DEAL 
ON IRAN BECAUSE WE NEED THEM TO 
LEND US MONEY TO CONTINUE 
OPERATING OUR GOVERNMENT.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 
STATES ADMITTING THAT HE'S 
WEAKENING OUR GOVERNMENT'S 
POSITION, OUR FOREIGN POLICY 
STANDING, BECAUSE HE CAN'T 
CONTROL SPENDING IN D.C.
THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO PROVIDE
HEALTH CARE.
THE OREGON STUDY SHOWED THIS.
SIMPLY EXPANDING MEDICAID DOES 
NOT IMPROVE HEALTH CARE 
OUTCOMES.
IN LOUISIANA INSTEAD WE'RE 
HELPING PEOPLE GET BETTER-PAYING
JOBS SO THEY CAN PROVIDE FOR 
THEIR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE. 
>> SO GOVERNOR KASICH WAS WRONG 
TO BE CLEAR. 
>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD 
BE EXPANDING MEDICAID.
I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO CREATE
NEW AND MORE EXPENSIVE 
ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS WHEN WE 
CAN'T AFFORD THE ONES WE'VE GOT 
TODAY.
WE'VE GOT TO STOP THIS CULTURE 
OF GOVERNMENT DEPENDENCY. 
>> I DIDN'T HEAR AN ANSWER 
REGARDING GOVERNOR KASICH.
BUT FOR NOW I'LL GO TO GOVERNOR 
PATAKI YES OR NO. 
>> I'LL SAY I DON'T THINK 
ANYBODY SHOULD EXPAND MEDICAID.
IT WAS A MISTAKE TO EXPAND 
MEDICAID IN IOWA AND EVERYWHERE 
ACROSS THE GOVERNOR. 
>> GOVERNOR PATAKI, IS HE RIGHT?
>> I THINK HE IS RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK YOU EXPAND 
ENTITLEMENTS WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE
ARE DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT.
AND WHEN THE MONEY THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT IS OFFERING WILL BE 
TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU AFTER A 
COUPLE OF YEARS.
GETTING BACK TO MARTHA'S 
QUESTION HOW WE CHANGE 
DEPENDENCY.
WHEN I RAN FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW 
YORK, ONE IN 11 OF EVERY MAN, 
WOMAN AND CHILD IN THE STATE OF 
NEW YORK WAS ON WELFARE.
ON WELFARE.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND PEOPLE SAID YOU CAN'T WIN 
YOU.
CAN'T CHANGE THE CULTURE.
BUT I KNEW THAT GOOD PEOPLE WHO 
WANTED TO BE PART OF THE 
AMERICAN DREAM HAD BECOME 
TRAPPED IN DEPENDENCY BECAUSE 
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE 
STATE GOVERNMENT HAD MADE IT IN 
THEIR ECONOMIC INTERESTS NOT TO 
TAKE A JOB BECAUSE THE BENEFITS 
IF THEY DIDN'T WORK WERE BETTER.
I CHANGED THAT.
WE PUT IN PLACE MANDATORY WORK 
FARE BUT WE ALLOWED PEOPLE TO 
KEEP HEALTH CARE.
WE PUT IN PLACE CHILD -- 
>> YES, OR NO WOULD YOU HAVE 
EXPANDED OBAMA CARE IN THE STATE
OF NEW YORK HAD YOU BEEN 
GOVERNOR AT THAT TIME?
>> NO.
IT SHOULD BE REPEALED.
BY THE WAY WHEN I LEFT THERE 
WERE OVER 1 MILLION FEWER PEOPLE
ON WELFARE IN NEW YORK STATE 
THAN WHEN I TOOK OFFICE.
REPLACING DEPENDENCY WITH 
OPPORTUNITY. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR PATAKI IN
A MOMENT HERE WE'LL TALK TO THE 
CANDIDATES ON AN ISS
. 
>>> WELCOME BACK TO CLEVELAND, 
OHIO.
WANT TO GET BACK TO THE 
QUESTIONS AND THE ISSUES IN THIS
DEBATE NOW WITH MY COANCHOR 
MARTHA. 
>> THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF 
DISCUSSION ON FACEBOOK AS YOU 
WOULD IMAGINE ABOUT THE IRAN 
NUCLEAR DEAL.
LET'S JUST TAKE A LOOK AS AN 
OPENER AT THIS ONE QUESTION THAT
COMES FROM LOGAN CHRISTOPHER 
BUOYER OF ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI.
HE SAYS HOW WILL YOU DISARM IRAN
AND KEEP THE MIDDLE EAST FROM 
BECOMING NUCLEARIZED?
LET'S OPEN THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT
IRAN WITH THIS QUESTION THAT 
COMES TO GOVERNOR PERRY.
GOVERNOR PERRY, HERE'S THE 
QUESTION FOR YOU.
CRITICS OF THE IRAN DEAL SAY 
THAT IT PUTS AMERICA ON THE SAME
SIDE AS THE LARGEST 
STATE-SPONSOR OF TERRORISM IN 
THE WORLD, OF HAMAS, OF 
HEZBOLLAH, OF THE BACKERS OF 
THOSE GROUPS AND OF PEOPLE WHO 
CHANT "DEATH TO AMERICA" IN THE 
STREETS.
THAT THIS DEAL PUTS US ON THAT 
SIDE OF THE EQUATION.
BUT OUR TRADITIONAL MIDDLE EAST 
ALLIES, LED BY SAUDI ARABIA, 
HAVE ALSO FUNNELED SUPPORT TO 
ISLAMIC RADICAL GROUPS WHO WANT 
TO KILL AMERICANS.
SO WHICH SIDE DO YOU BELIEVE WE 
SHOULD BE ON?
>> WE NEED TO BE ON THE SIDE 
THAT KEEPS IRAN FROM GETTING A 
NUCLEAR WEAPON.
THAT'S THE SIDE WE NEED TO BE 
ON.
THAT'S THE SIDE OF THE BULK OF 
THE MIDDLE EAST.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOME COALITIONS 
IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD TO GO 
AFTER ISIS, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO 
SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE.
AND HOPEFULLY, SENATOR GRAHAM, I
KNOW WHERE HE'S GOING TO BE ON 
THIS.
BUT WE USE CONGRESS AND WE USE 
CONGRESS TO CUT THIS FUNDING.
ONE OF THE GREAT CHALLENGES THAT
WE HAVE, $150 BILLION IS FIXING 
TO GO TO A COUNTRY THAT KILLED 
OUR MARINES IN LEBANON, THAT 
USED THEIR WEAPONS TO KILL OUR 
YOUNG MEN IN IRAN.
AND THE IDEA THAT THIS 
NEGOTIATION, I WILL TELL YOU ONE
THING.
I WOULD A WHOLE LOT RATHER HAVE 
CARLY FIORINA OVER THERE DOING 
OUR NEGOTIATION THAN JOHN KERRY.
MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A 
DEAL WHERE WE DIDN'T GIVE 
EVERYTHING AWAY.
BUT THE ISSUE FOR US IS TO HAVE 
A CONGRESS THAT STANDS UP AND 
SAYS, NOT ONLY NO BUT HELL NO TO
THIS MONEY GOING TO A REGIME 
THAT IS GOING TO USE IT FOR 
TERROR.
SUSAN RICE HAS SAID THAT.
WE NEED TO STAND UP AND STRONGLY
AND CLEARLY TELL THE AYATOLLAH 
THAT WHOEVER THE NEXT PRESIDENT 
OF THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO
BE, AND I'LL PROMISE YOU IF IT'S
ME THE FIRST THING I WILL DO IS 
TEAR UP THAT AGREEMENT WITH 
IRAN. 
>> ALL RIGHT.
I WANT TO GO TO CARLY FIORINA ON
THIS BUT ASK YOU SOME OF WHAT I 
JUST ASKED TO GOVERNOR PERRY.
THE ISSUE IS THAT ALLIES THAT WE
ARE WITH SOMETIMES HAVE GROUPS 
WITHIN THEM THAT FUNNEL MONEY TO
TERRORISTS AS WELL.
THIS IS A COMPLICATED SITUATION.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH US BEING ON 
THEIR SIDE?
>> YEP.
SOMETIMES IT'S A COMPLICATED 
SITUATION.
BUT SOME THINGS ARE BLACK AND 
WHITE.
ON DAY ONE IN THE OVAL OFFICE I 
WOULD MAKE TWO PHONE CALLS.
THE FIRST ONE TO MY GOOD FRIEND 
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU TO REASSURE 
HIM WE WILL STAND WITH ISRAEL.
THE SECOND PHONE CALL TO THE 
PRESIDENT OF IRAN.
UNTIL YOU OPEN EVERY NUCLEAR AND
EVERY MILITARY FACILITY TO FULL,
OPEN, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE FOR REAL
INSPECTIONS, WE ARE GOING TO 
MAKE IT AS DIFFICULT AS POSSIBLE
FOR YOU TO MOVE MONEY AROUND THE
GLOBAL FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
I HOPE CONGRESS SAYS NO TO THIS 
DEAL.
BUT REALISTICALLY, EVEN IF THEY 
DO, THE MONEY IS FLOWING.
CHINA AND RUSSIA HAVE NEVER BEEN
ON OUR SIDE OF THE TABLE.
THE EUROPEANS HAVE MOVED ON.
WE HAVE TO STOP THE MONEY FLOW.
AND BY THE WAY, AS IMPORTANT AS 
THOSE TWO PHONE CALLS ARE, THEY 
ARE ALSO VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE 
THEY SAY THIS.
AMERICA IS BACK IN THE 
LEADERSHIP BUSINESS.
AND WHEN AMERICA DOES NOT LEAD, 
THE WORLD IS A DANGEROUS AND A 
TRAGIC PLACE.
THIS IS A BAD DEAL.
OBAMA BROKE EVERY RULE OF 
NEGOTIATION.
YES, OUR ALLIES ARE NOT PERFECT.
BUT IRAN IS AT THE HEART OF MOST
OF THE EVIL THAT IS GOING ON IN 
THE MIDDLE EAST THROUGH PROXIES.
>> VERY BRIEFLY WOULD YOU HELP 
OUR ALLIES IN THAT REGION TO GET
NUCLEAR WEAPONS IF IRAN HAS 
THEM?
>> DAY TWO IN THE OVAL OFFICE I 
WOULD HOLD A CAMP DAVID SUMMIT 
WITH OUR ARAB ALLIES, NOT TO 
TALK THEM INTO THIS LOUSY DEAL 
WITH IRAN BUT TO SAY TO THEM 
WHAT IS IT YOU NEED TO DEFEAT 
ISIL?
OBAMA HAS PRESENTED THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE WITH A FALSE CHOICE EVERY
TIME.
IT'S WHAT I'VE DONE OR NOT DONE 
OR IT'S WAR.
IT IS A FALSE CHOICE.
KING ABDULLAH OF JORDAN HAS BEEN
ASKING FOR BOMBS AND MATERIAL.
WE HAVE NOT PROVIDED THEM.
HE HAS GONE TO CHINA.
THE KURDS HAVE BEEN ASKING US TO
ARM THEM FOR THREE YEARS.
WE HAVEN'T DONE.
SO THE EGYPTIANS HAVE ASKED US 
TO SHARE INTELLIGENCE.
WE'RE NOT DOING IT.
WE HAVE ARAB ALLIES.
THEY'RE NOT PERFECT.
I KNOW EVERY ONE.
BUT THEY NEED TO SEE LEADERSHIP,
SUPPORT AND RESOLVE FROM THE 
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND WE CAN HELP THEM DEFEAT 
ISIS. 
>> NEXT QUESTION ON THE U.S. 
SUPREME COURT.
IT'S BEEN 42 YEARS, SENATOR 
SANTORUM, SINCE ROE VERSUS WADE.
MANY CONSIDER IN THIS COUNTRY TO
BE A CASE OF SETTLED LAW.
RECENTLY THE U.S. SUPREME COURT 
RULED ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
IS THAT NOW SETTLED LAW IN 
AMERICA TODAY?
>> IT IS NOT ANYMORE THAN DRED 
SCOTT WAS SETTLED LAW TO ABRAHAM
LINCOLN WHO IN HIS FIRST 
INAUGURAL ADDRESS SAID IT WON'T 
STAND.
AND THEY WENT AHEAD AND PASSED 
LAWS IN DIRECT CONTRAVENTION TO 
A ROGUE SUPREME COURT.
THIS IS A ROGUE SUPREME COURT 
DECISION, JUST LIKE JUSTICE 
ROBERTS SAID.
THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS
FOR THE SUPREME COURT'S 
DECISION.
AND I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
ONE OF THE TIMES THE SUPREME 
COURT SPOKE THEY THOUGHT THEY 
WERE ACTING OUTSIDE OF THEIR 
AUTHORITY WAS IN A PARTIAL BIRTH
ABORTION CASE.
YOU KNOW THESE PLANNED 
PARENTHOOD TAPES WHAT THEY'RE 
SHOWING A PARTIAL BIRTH 
ABORTIONS.
ABORTIONS BEING DONE WHERE THE 
BABY'S BEING DELIVERED FIRST TO 
PRESERVE THOSE ORGANS AND THEN 
THEY CRUSH THE SKULL.
WELL, THE SUPREME COURT FOUND A 
BILL THEY WAS THE AUTHOR OF 
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
WHAT DID I DO?
I DIDN'T STOP.
I DIDN'T SAY OH, WELL WE LOST.
IT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND.
WE WORKED TOGETHER.
THE HOUSE AND SENATE UNDER MY 
LEADERSHIP.
AND WE PASSED A BILL AND WE 
SAID, SUPREME COURT YOU'RE 
WRONG.
WE'RE A COEQUAL BRANCH OF THE 
GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE ABLE 
TO STAND UP AND SAY WHAT IS 
CONSTITUTIONAL.
WE PASSED A BILL, BARTISAN 
SUPPORT.
AND THE SUPREME COURT, THEY 
SIDED WITH US.
SOMETIMES IT JUST TAKES SOMEONE 
TO LEAD AND STAND UP TO THE 
COURT. 
>> SENATOR, THANK YOU.
TO GOVERNOR GILMORE.
FOR YEARS PRESIDENTIAL 
CANDIDATES HAVE NOT SAID THEY 
WOULD HAVE A LITMUS TEST FOR 
JUSTICES NOMINATED TO THE 
SUPREME COURT.
RECENTLY HILLARY CLINTON BROKE 
THAT PRECEDENT.
SHE SAID SHE WOULD APPLY THAT ON
THE CASE OF CITIZENS UNITED, 
WHICH DEALS WITH CAMPAIGN 
FINANCE LAWS IN AMERICA TODAY.
IS IT TIME FOR CONSERVATIVES TO 
IMPOSE A LITMUS TEST ON 
ABORTION?
>> WELL, AS YOU KNOW, I'M A 
FORMER ELECTED PROSECUTOR, A 
FORMER ELECTED ATTORNEY GENERAL,
TRAINED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF 
VIRGINIA IN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT LITMUS 
TESTS EXCEPT THIS.
I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE 
APPOINTING SUPREME COURT 
JUSTICES WHO WILL FOLLOW THE LAW
AND NOT TRY TO MAKE THE LAW.
NOW, THE CHALLENGE WE'RE SEEING 
TODAY THE SUPREME COURT IS BEING
CONVERT NEED SOME TYPE OF 
POLITICAL BODY.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME LEGAL 
BASIS AND PRECEDENCE FOR BEING 
ABLE TO FOLLOW THE LAW INSTEAD 
OF MAKING THE LAW UP.
AND MY GOAL IS IN APPOINTING 
SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WOULD BE 
TO APPOINT JUSTICES WHO WOULD 
FOLLOW THE LAW.
BILL, I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE 
THING. 
>> NO LITMUS TEST?
>> NOT ON THAT, NO.
BUT LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING.
BEFORE MY TIME RUNS OUT I WANT 
TO GET BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF 
ISIS VERSUS IRAN.
IT IS IRAN THAT'S THE 
EXPANSIONIST POWER.
ISIL IT IS TRYING TO CREATE 
THEMSELVES INTO A NEW STATE.
OUR JOB HAS TO BE TO RECOGNIZE 
THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO.
I HAVE PROPOSED THERE BE A 
MIDDLE EAST NATO SO THAT WE CAN 
COMBINE OUR ALLIES THERE TO 
STAND UP TO IRANIAN EXPANSION, 
AT THE SAME TIME JOIN TOGETHER 
TO BEGIN TO STOP THIS ISIL THING
BEFORE IT BECOMES AN ACTUAL 
STATE. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR. 
>>> ALL RIGHT.
WITH THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A
QUICK BREAK.
WE'LL BE RIGHT
>>> AS THE FIRST DEBATE OF THE 
NOMINATION SEASON CONTINUES, 
WELCOME BACK TO CLEVELAND.
I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE 
QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW AND THE 
ISSUES HERE IN THE U.S. 
>> WE WANT TO GET BACK TO 
PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
AND THIS QUESTION GOES TO 
GOVERNOR PATAKI.
YOU'RE THE ONLY PRO-CHOICE 
CANDIDATE RUNNING.
A REPUBLICAN HOLDING THAT 
POSITION HAS NOT WON A SINGLE 
PRIMARY IN 35 YEARS.
WITH THE RECENT PLANNED 
PARENTHOOD VIDEOS THAT WE HAVE 
ALL SEEN, SHEDDING NEW LIGHT ON 
ABORTION PRACTICES, I KNOW THAT 
YOU HAVE SAID THAT YOU WOULD 
DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD 
>> YES.
>> BUT HAS THIS STORY CHANGED 
YOUR HEART?
>> MY HEART HAS NOT CHANGED 
BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN 
APPALLED BY ABORTION.
I'M A CATHOLIC.
I BELIEVE LIFE BEGINS AT 
CONCEPTION.
BUT AS BILL SAID EARLIER, ROEV. 
WADE HAS BEEN THE LAW FOR 42 
YEARS.
AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD 
CONTINUE TO TRY TO CHANGE IT.
BUT WE WE CAN DO IS DEFUND 
PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
BY THE WAY, PUT IN PLACE AN 
ABSOLUTE PERMANENT BAN ON ANY 
TAXPAYER DOLLARS EVER BEING USED
TO FUND ABORTIONS.
ALSO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE 
VIDEOS, THEY ARE HORRIFIC AND 
SHOW JUST A HIDEOUS DISRESPECT 
FOR LIFE.
WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO IS THAT WE 
SHOULD BELIEVE IN SCIENCE.
HILLARY CLINTON'S ALWAYS SAYING 
HOW REPUBLICANS DON'T FOLLOW 
SCIENCE?
WELL, THEY'RE THE ONES NOT 
LISTENING TO THE SCIENTISTS 
TODAY.
BECAUSE DOCTORS SAY THAT AT 20 
WEEKS THAT IS A VIABLE LIFE 
INSIDE THE WOMB.
AND AT THAT POINT IT'S A LIFE WE
HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT AND I 
THINK WE SHOULD PROTECT.
SO I WOULD PASS LEGISLATION 
OUTLAWING ABORTION AFTER 20 
WEEKS.
IT IS HILLARY, IT IS BIDEN, IT 
IS THE OTHERS WHO INSIST ON 
ALLOWING ABORTION WELL INTO THE 
LIFE OF A VIABLE INFANT.
THAT IS WRONG AND THAT SHOULD BE
STOPPED. 
>> ON THE SAME TOPIC LET'S GO TO
GOVERNOR JINDAL.
CARLY FIORINA ALSO ON THE STAGE 
SAID SHE WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO 
SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT OVER 
THE ISSUE OF DEFUNDING PLANNED 
PARENTHOOD.
WOULD YOU DO THAT?
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHUT 
DOWN THE GOVERNMENT WHEN IT 
COMES TO DEFUNDING THIS GROUP?
>> A COUPLE THINGS.
PLANNED PARENTHOOD HAD BETTER 
HOPE HILLARY CLINTON WINS THIS 
ELECTION.
I GUARANTEE YOU UNDER PRESIDENT 
JINDAL, JANUARY 2017 THE 
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND IRS 
AND EVERYBODY ELSE WE CAN SEND 
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL
BE GOING INTO PLANNED 
PARENTHOOD.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING 
AND REVOLTS THE CONSCIENCE OF 
THE NATION.
ABSOLUTELY WE NEED TO DEFUND 
PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
IN MY OWN STATE FOR EXAMPLE WE 
LAUNCHED AN INVESTIGATION.
ASKED THE FBI TO COOPERATE.
WE JUST EARLIER THIS WEEK KICKED
THEM OUT OF MEDICAID IN 
LOUISIANA AS WELL.
CANCELED THEIR PROVIDER 
CONTRACT.
THEY DON'T PROVIDE ANY ABORTIONS
IN LOUISIANA.
BUT IN TERMS OF SHUTTING DOWN 
THE GOVERNMENT, I DON'T THINK 
PRESIDENT OBAMA SHOULD CHOOSE TO
SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT SIMPLY 
TO SEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO THIS
GROUP THAT HAS BEEN CAUGHT, I 
BELIEVE, BREAKING THE LAW BUT 
ALSO OFFENDING OUR VALUES AND 
OUR ETHICS.
IT IS TIME FOR REPUBLICANS IN 
D.C. TO FIGHT.
TOO OFTEN THEY GIVE UP, THEY 
NEGOTIATE WITH THEMSELVES, THEY 
SAY THEY'LL GET RID OF THE 
UNCONSTITUTIONAL AMNESTY.
THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
THEY SAID THEY'D REPEAL OBAMA 
CARE.
THEY DIDN'T DO THAT EITHER.
THEY HAVEN'T SHRUNK THE BUDGET.
THEY SHOULD FIGHT TO DEFUND 
PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
AND I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT 
SHOULD SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT 
SIMPLY TO SEND OUR TAXPAYER 
DOLLARS TO THIS GROUP. 
>> ALL RIGHT.
LINDSEY GRAHAM, THIS 
CONVERSATION WILL NO DOUBT GO T 
NOMINATION AS BEING AGAINST 
WOMEN'S HEALTH, AGAINST THESE 
ORGANIZATIONS THAT PEOPLE WILL 
SAY PROVIDE POSITIVE THINGS FOR 
MANY WOMEN. 
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S A WAR ON 
WOMEN FOR ALL OF US AS AMERICANS
TO STAND UP AND STOP HARVESTING 
ORGANS FROM LITTLE BABIES.
LET'S TAKE THE MONEY THAT WE 
WOULD GIVE TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD
AND PUT IT INTO WOMEN'S HEALTH 
CARE WITHOUT HAVING TO HARVEST 
THE ORGANS OF THE UNBORN.
THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO 
DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS 
HAVE A PRO-LIFE PRESIDENT.
YOU WANT TO SEE A WAR ON WOMEN?
COME WITH ME TO IRAQ AND 
AFGHANISTAN, FOLKS.
I'VE BEEN THERE 35 TIMES.
I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THEY DO TO 
WOMEN.
THESE MYTHICAL ARAB ARMIES THAT 
MY FRIENDS TALK ABOUT THAT ARE 
GOING TO PROTECT US DON'T EXIST.
IF I AM PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 
STATES, WE'RE GOING TO SEND 
SOLDIERS BACK TO IRAQ, BACK TO 
SYRIA, TO KEEP US FROM BEING 
ATTACKED HERE AND KEEP SOLDIERS 
IN AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE WE MUST.
I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MUCH OUR 
NATION IS THREATENED AND HOW WE 
NEED A COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHO 
UNDERSTANDS THE THREATS TO THIS 
NATION.
IF YOU'RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT 
OF THE UNITED STATES AND YOU DO 
NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WE CANNOT 
DEFEND THIS NATION WITHOUT MORE 
OF OUR SOLDIERS OVER THERE, 
YOU'RE NOT READY FOR THIS JOB. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR.
EXECUTIVE POWER.
IT APPEARS THAT YOU ALL HAVE A 
LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH IT 
AT THE MOMENT.
I WANT TO MOVE THROUGH THIS AS 
QUICKLY AS I CAN FROM STAGE LEFT
TO STAGE RIGHT.
ON THE SECOND DAY OF HIS 
PRESIDENCY, JANUARY 22nd, 2009, 
PRESIDENT OBAMA SIGNED ONE OF 
HIS FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
THAT WAS CLOSE GUANTANAMO IN 
CUBA.
STILL OPEN TODAY.
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FIRST 
EXECUTIVE ORDER?
GOVERNOR GILMORE START. 
>> WELL, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF 
WHAT THE FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDER 
WOULD BE, BILL.
THE MATTER IS WHAT ORDERS EXIST 
NOW THAT SHOULDN'T EXIST.
THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE AN 
EXECUTIVE ORDER WITH RESPECT TO 
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION THAT IS 
ILLEGAL.
ILLEGAL.
AND IT CREATES A CONTEMPT FOR 
THE LAW FOR THE RULE OF LAW.
IF I WERE THE PRESIDENT OF THE 
UNITED STATES I'D GO AND LOOK AT
EVERY EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT 
EXISTS RIGHT NOW AND DETERMINE 
WHICH ONES WANT TO BE VOIDED.
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT SHOULDN'T 
BE LEGISLATING.
NOT THROUGH THAT VEHICLE OR ANY 
OTHER.
WE SHOULD BE RELYING UPON THE 
LEADERSHIP OF THE CONGRESS TO 
PASS THE LAWS. 
>> SENATOR GRAHAM. 
>> CHANGE THE MEXICO CITY POLICY
NOT TAKE ONE DIME OF TAXPAYER 
MONEY TO FUND ABORTION, 
ORGANIZATIONS OVERSEAS, AND 
RESTORE THE NSA THAT'S BEEN 
GUTTED.
WE'RE GOING DARK WHEN IT COMES 
TO DETECTING THE NEXT ATTACK.
WE HAVE GUTTED OUR ABILITY TO 
DETECT THE NEXT ATTACK.
AND I WOULD NOT STAND FOR THAT 
AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 
STATES.
I'D TAKE THE FIGHT TO THESE GUYS
WHATEVER IT TOOK AS LONG AS IT 
TOOK. 
>> GOVERNOR JINDAL YOUR FIRST 
EXECUTIVE ORDER IN THE WHITE 
HOUSE WOULD BE WHAT?
>> REPEAL THESE UNCONSTITUTIONAL
ILLEGAL ORDERS WHETHER IT'S 
AMNESTY OR THIS PRESIDENT GOING 
AROUND CONGRESS, WHETHER IT'S 
OBAMA CARE TO RESTORE THE RULE 
OF LAW.
I'D ALSO GO AFTER THE SANCTUARY 
CITIES.
DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE 
SURE THAT WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE 
ACTUALLY PROSECUTING AND CUTTING
OFF FUNDING FOR CITIES THAT ARE 
HARBORING ILLEGAL ALIENS.
AND THEN FINALLY MAKING SURE THE
IRS IS NOT GOING AFTER 
CONSERVATIVE OR RELIGIOUS 
GROUPS.
I WOULD SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER 
PROTECTING RELIGIOUS LIBERTY OUR
FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS SO 
CHRISTIAN BUSINESS OWNERS AND 
INDIVIDUALS DON'T FACE 
DISCRIMINATION FOR HAVE A 
TRADITIONAL VIEW OF ZBLARCH 
GOVERNOR PERRY. 
>> IT WILL BE A PRETTY BUSY DAY.
BUT THAT IRAN NEGOTIATION IS 
GOING TO BE TORN UP ON DAY ONE.
WE'RE GOING TO START THE PROCESS
OF SECURING THAT BORDER.
I'M ALSO GOING TO TAKE A BOTTLE 
OF WHITEOUT WITH ME TO GET 
STARTED ON ALL THOSE EXECUTIVE 
ORDERS THAT MR. OBAMA HAS PUT 
HIS NAME TO. 
>> THAT WILL BE A LONG DAY. 
>> IT WILL BE A LONG DAY. 
>> SENATOR SANTORUM?
>> DITTO THAT.
I'VE SAID THIS FOR FOUR YEARS, 
SUSPEND AND REPEAL EVERY 
EXECUTIVE ORDER, EVERY 
REGULATION THAT COST AMERICAN 
JOBS AND IS IMPACTING OUR 
FREEDOM.
SECOND, THE FIRST AMENDMENT 
DEFENSE ACT PROTECTING RELIGIOUS
LIBERTY.
IF IT'S NOT PASSED BY THEN WHICH
I SUSPECT IT WON'T BECAUSE THE 
PRESIDENT WILL VETO IT.
I WILL PASS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER 
TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE OF FAITH
ARE NOT BEING HARASSED AND 
PERSECUTED BY THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT FOR STANDING UP TO 
THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. 
>> CARLY FIORINA. 
>> I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
I WOULD BEGIN BY UNDOING A WHOLE
SET OF THINGS THAT PRESIDENT 
OBAMA HAS DONE, WHETHER IT'S 
ILLEGAL AMNESTY OR THIS LATEST 
ROUND OF EPA REGULATIONS.
BUT LET ME GO BACK TO SOMETHING 
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
WE HAVE BEEN DEBATING RIGHT HERE
THE CORE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 
CONSERVATISM AND PROGRESSIVISM.
CONSERVATIVES.
I AM A CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE I 
BELIEVE NO ONE OF US IS ANY 
BETTER THAN ANY ONE OF US.
EVERY ONE OF US IS GIFTED BY GOD
WHETHER IT IS THOSE POOR BABIES 
BEING PICKED OVER OR IT'S 
SOMEONE WHOSE LIFE IS TANGLED UP
IN A WEB OF DEPENDENCE.
PROGRESS HE IS DON'T BELIEVE 
THAT.
THEY BELIEVE SOME ARE SMARTER 
THAN OTHERS, SOME ARE BETTER 
THAN OTHERS.
SO SOME ARE GOING TO NEED TO 
TAKE CARE OF OTHERS.
THAT IS THE FIGHT WE HAVE TO 
HAVE.
AND WE HAVE TO UNDO A WHOLE SET 
OF THINGS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA 
HAS DONE THAT GET AT THE HEART 
OF HIS DISRESPECT AND DISREGARD 
FOR TOO MANY AMERICANS. 
>> GOVERNOR PATAKI. 
>> BILL, I DEFEATED MARIO CUOMO.
THE FIRST DAY IN OFFICE MY FIRST
EXECUTIVE ORDER I REVOKED EVERY 
ONE OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT
HE HAD ENACTED OVER THE PRIOR 12
YEARS.
I WOULD DO THAT TO BARACK 
OBAMA'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
BUT I'D SIGN A SECOND ONE AS I 
DID IN NEW YORK AS WELL.
HAVING A HARD HIRING FREEZE ON 
ADDING NEW EMPLOYEES EXCEPT FOR 
THE MILITARY OR DEFENSE-RELATED 
POSITIONS.
I'D SIGN THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER.
WHEN I LEFT THE WORKFORCE IN NEW
YORK STATE HAD BEEN REDUCED BY 
OVER 15%.
WE CAN DO THAT IN WASHINGTON.
I WILL DO THAT IN WASHINGTON. 
>> THANK YOU ALL.
>>> MOVING ON TO THE NEXT 
QUESTION.
PRESIDENT OBAMA PROMISED HOPE 
AND CHANGE FOR THE COUNTRY, YET 
60% OF AMERICANS ARE NOT 
SATISFIED WITH THE SHAPE THAT 
THE COUNTRY IS IN RIGHT NOW.
MANY THINK THAT AMERICA HAS LOST
ITS CAN DO SPIRIT, AND THAT IS 
NOT THE NATION THAT IT ONCE WAS.
RONALD REAGAN WAS CONFRONTED 
WITH A SIMILAR ATMOSPHERE.
AND HE SAID THAT IT COULD BE 
MORNING IN AMERICA AGAIN.
JFK SAID IT WAS A NEW FRONTIER.
FDR SAID THAT WE HAD NOTHING TO 
FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF.
ON THIS LEVEL, CARLY FIORINA, 
CAN YOU INSPIRE THIS NATION?
>> THIS IS A GREAT NATION.
IT IS A UNIQUE NATION IN ALL OF 
HUMAN HISTORY AND ON THE FACE OF
THE PLANET.
BECAUSE HERE OUR FOUNDERS 
BELIEVED THAT EVERYONE HAS A 
RIGHT TO FULFILL THEIR 
POTENTIAL.
AND THAT THAT RIGHT, THEY CALLED
IT LIFE, LIBERTY, THE PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS, COMES FROM GOD AND 
CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY BY 
GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE ARRIVED AT A POINT IN 
OUR NATION'S HISTORY WHERE THE 
POTENTIAL OF THIS NATION AND TOO
MANY AMERICANS IS BEING CRUSHED 
BY THE WEIGHT, THE POWER, THE 
COST, THE COMPLEXITY, THE 
INEPTITUDE, THE CORRUPTION OF 
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND ONLY SOMEONE WHO WILL 
CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO OF 
WASHINGTON, D.C. CAN LEAD THE 
RESURGENCE OF THIS GREAT NATION.
I WILL DO THAT. 
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAPPING 
INTO HISTORIC LEVELS OF 
LEADERSHIP AND LIFTING THE 
NATION IN THIS KIND OF WAY THAT 
WE'RE DISCUSSING.
SO SENATOR SANTORUM, HOW WOULD 
YOU DO IT?
>> I CAME TO WASHINGTON, D.C. IN
1990.
THAT WAS 25 YEARS AGO.
I CAME BY DEFEATING THE 
DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENT.
I CAME AS A REFORMER.
I STARTED THE GANG OF SEVEN.
AND IT LED TO THE OVERTAKING OF 
THE 40-YEAR DEMOCRATIC RULE OF 
CONGRESS.
I STOOD UP TO THE OLD BOY 
NETWORK IN WASHINGTON, D.C. 
BECAUSE I BELIEVED THAT 
WASHINGTON WAS NOT THE SOLUTION,
THAT WASHINGTON WAS THE PROBLEM 
JUST LIKE RONALD REAGAN SAID.
WAYS A CHILD OF RONALD REAGAN.
AND I WENT THERE.
AND FOR 16 YEARS I FOUGHT THE 
INSIDERS AND WAS ABLE TO GET 
THINGS DONE.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
WE NEED TO ELECT SOMEONE WHO 
WILL STAND WITH THE AMERICAN 
PEOPLE, WHO UNDERSTANDS ITS 
GREATNESS, WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT 
AN OPEN ECONOMY AND FREEDOM IS 
ALL ABOUT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME HAS A 
RECORD OF BEING ABLE TO GET 
THINGS DONE IN WASHINGTON LIKE 
WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
REFORMS, EVERYTHING FROM MORAL 
AND CULTURAL ISSUES TO ECONOMIC 
ISSUES.
THOSE OF YOU HEALTH SAVINGS 
ACCOUNTS.
IT WAS SOMETHING WE INTRODUCED.
IT'S A PRIVATE SECTOR SOLUTION 
THAT BELIEVES IN FREEDOM, NOT 
OBAMA CARE THAT BELIEVES IN 
GOVERNMENT CONTROL.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE BROUGHT 
AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THINGS 
DONE.
IF YOU WANT SOMEONE WHO'S NOT 
GOING TO DIVIDE WASHINGTON BUT 
GETS THINGS DONE, THEN YOU 
SHOULD MAKE ME YOUR PRESIDENT. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR. 
>> LINDSEY GRAHAM?
>> THANK YOU.
FIRST THING I'D TELL THE 
AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHATEVER IT 
TAKES TO DEFEND OUR NATION, I 
WILL DO.
TO THE 1% WHO HAVE BEEN FIGHTING
THIS WAR FOR OVER A DECADE, I'D 
TRY MY BEST TO BE A COMMANDER IN
CHIEF WORTHY OF YOUR SACRIFICE.
WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOCIAL 
SECURITY AND MEDICARE IF 
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS DO NOT
COME TOGETHER AND FIND A 
SOLUTION LIKE RONALD REAGAN AND 
TIP O'NEAL.
I'LL BE THE RONALD REAGAN IF I 
CAN FIND A TIP O'NEAL.
WHEN WAYS 21 MY MOM DIED.
WHEN I WAS 22 MY DAD DIED.
WE OWNED A LIQUOR STORE, 
RESTAURANT, BAR, AND WE LIVED IN
THE BACK.
EVERY PENNY WE GOT FROM SOCIAL 
SECURITY BECAUSE MY SISTER WAS A
MINOR WE NEEDED.
TODAY I'M 60.
I'M NOT MARRIED.
I DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS.
I WOULD GIVE UP SOME SOCIAL 
SECURITY TO SAVE THE SYSTEM THAT
AMERICANS ARE GOING TO DEPEND ON
NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
HALF OF AMERICAN SENIORS WOULD 
BE IN POVERTY WITHOUT A SOCIAL 
SECURITY CHECK.
IF YOU MAKE ME YOUR PRESIDENT I 
WILL PUT THE COUNTRY AHEAD OF 
THE PARTY.
I'M GOING TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO
DEFEND THIS NATION.
THIS NATION HAS BEEN GREAT TO ME
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I KNOW 
TO PAY YOU BACK. 
>> THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR.
I NEED A TWO-WORD ANSWER TO THE 
FOLLOWING QUERY.
IN 2008, THEN SENATOR BARACK 
OBAMA DESCRIBED HILLARY CLINTON 
AS QUOTE LIKABLE ENOUGH END 
QUOTE.
WHAT TWO WORDS WOULD YOU USE TO 
DESCRIBE THE DEMOCRATIC 
FRONTRUNNER?
GOVERNOR PATAKI START. 
>> DIVISIVE AND WITH NO VISION.
NO VISION AT ALL. 
>> CARLY FIORINA. 
>> NOT TRUSTWORTHY.
NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS. 
>> SECRETIVE AND UNTRUSTWORTHY. 
>> LET'S GO WITH THREE.
GOOD AT E-MAIL. 
>> GOVERNOR JINDAL?
>> SOCIALIST AND GOVERNMENT 
DEPENDENCE. 
>> NOT THE CHANGE WE NEED AT A 
TIME WE NEED IT. 
>> GOVERNOR?
>> PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN THAT 
CAN'T BE TRUSTED. 
>> NOT A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS.
TO BE CONTINUED.
>>> SO NOW EVERY CANDIDATE WILL 
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A 
CLOSING STATEMENT TONIGHT.
EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE 30 
SECONDS FOR THAT.
AND WE START WITH GOVERNOR 
PERRY. 
>> WELL, THIS IS GOING TO BE A 
SHOW ME DON'T TELL ME ELECTION.
I THINK AMERICA'S JUST A FEW 
GOOD DECISIONS AND A LEADERSHIP 
CHANGE AT THE TOP AWAY FROM THE 
BEST YEARS WE'VE EVER HAD.
AND I THINK THAT THE RECORD OF 
THE GOVERNOR OF THE LAST 14 
YEARS OF THE 12th LARGEST 
ECONOMY IN THE WORLD IS JUST THE
MEDICINE AMERICA'S LOOKING FOR.
1.5 MILLION JOBS CREATED DURING 
THE WORST ECONOMIC TIME THIS 
COUNTRY HAS HAD SINCE THE GREAT 
DEPRESSION WHILE THE REST OF THE
COUNTRY LOST 400,000 JOBS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STATE THAT
MOVED GRADUATION RATES FORWARD 
FROM 27th IN THE NATION TO 
SECOND HIGHEST.
AS A MATTER OF FACT IF YOU'RE 
HISPANIC OR AFRICAN-AMERICAN IN 
TEXAS YOU HAVE THE NUMBER ONE 
HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION RATES IN 
AMERICA.
AMERICANS ARE LOOKING FOR 
SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO GIVE 
THEM HOPE.
AND THERE IS A PLACE IN THIS 
COUNTRY OVER THE LAST EIGHT 
YEARS IN PARTICULAR THAT TALKED 
ABOUT HOPE EVERY DAY.
AND THEY DIDN'T JUST TALK ABOUT 
IT, THEY DELIVERED IT.
AND THAT WAS THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND IF WE CAN DO THAT IN TEXAS, 
THAT 12th LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE
WORLD, WE CAN DO IT IN AMERICA.
OUR BEST DAYS ARE IN FRONT OF 
US.
WE CAN REFORM THOSE 
ENTITLEMENTS.
WE CAN CHANGE THAT CORPORATE TAX
CODE AND LOWER IT.
WE CAN PUT AMERICA BACK ON TRACK
ON A GROWTH LEVEL AND A GROWTH 
RATE THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN IN 
THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.
MANUFACTURING WILL FLOW BACK 
INTO THIS COUNTRY.
IT JUST NEEDS A CORPORATE 
EXECUTIVE TYPE AT THE TOP THAT'S
DONE IT BEFORE.
AND I WILL SUGGEST TO YOU 
NOBODY'S DONE IT LIKE RICK PERRY
HAS DONE IT OVER THE LAST EIGHT 
YEARS.
IF YOU ELECT ME PRESIDENT, WE 
WILL BRING INCREDIBLE GROWTH 
BACK TO THIS COUNTRY.
AND AS SOMEONE WHO'S WORN THE 
UNIFORM OF THE COUNTRY, THAT'S 
HOW WE BUILD OUR MILITARY BACK 
UP.
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR.
SENATOR SANTORUM. 
>> I TELL YOU HOW OPTIMISTIC I 
AM ABOUT AMERICA.
KAREN AND I HAVE SEVEN CHILDREN.
YOU DON'T HAVE SEVEN CHILDREN 
AND BRING THEM INTO THIS WORLD 
IF YOU'RE NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT 
THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY.
I AM.
BUT PEOPLE ARE UPSET.
AND THEY ARE UPSET FOR A REASON 
ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS 
COUNTRY.
DONALD TRUMP ACTUALLY SEIZED ON 
IT WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT 
IMMIGRATION.
I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE 
IMMIGRATION IS SORT OF AN 
EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S BROKEN AND 
WHAT'S WRONG IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
YOU SEE, YOU HAVE ONE SIDE, THE 
DEMOCRATS.
AND WITH IMMIGRATION ALL THEY 
CARE ABOUT IS VOTES.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT AMERICAN 
WORKERS, THEY JUST CARE ABOUT 
BRINGING AS MANY PEOPLE IN SO 
THEY CAN GET AS MANY VOTES AS 
THEY CAN.
ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE SO 
MANY REPUBLICANS.
WHAT DO THEY CARE ABOUT?
HELPING BUSINESS MAKE PROFITS.
THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE LOOKING
OUT FOR THE AMERICAN WORKER.
I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THE AMERICAN
WORKER.
I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THIS STAGE 
WHO HAS A PLAN THAT'S ACTUALLY 
GOING TO REDUCE IMMIGRATION, 
ACTUALLY GOING TO DO SOMETHING 
TO HELP THE AMERICAN WORKER.
AND YOU COMBINE THAT WITH A PLAN
TO MAKE MANUFACTURING OF THIS 
COUNTRY NUMBER ONE IN 
MANUFACTURING, YOU'VE GOT 
SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO HELP 
REVITALIZE AND GIVE HOPE TO 
AMERICA WITH THE PLACE THAT IS 
THE MOST HOPELESS TODAY.
THAT'S WHY I ASK FOR YOUR 
SUPPORT FOR PRESIDENT. 
>> SENATOR, THANK YOU. 
>>> GOVERNOR JINDAL. 
>> WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GREAT 
TALKERS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT A GREAT TALKER
IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
WE CANNOT AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS
OF ON THE JOB TRAINING.
WE NEED A DOER, NOT A TALKER.
WE ALSO NEED A NOMINEE, A 
CANDIDATE WHO WILL ENDORSE OUR 
OWN PRINCIPLES.
JEB BUSH SAYS WE'VE GOT TO BE 
WILLING TO LOSE THE PRIMARY IN 
ORDER TO WIN THE GENERAL.
LET ME TRANSLATE THAT FOR YOU.
THAT'S THE ESTABLISHMENT TELLING
YOU IT'S TO HIDE OUR 
CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES AND GET 
THE LEFT AND THE MEDIA TO LIKE 
US.
THAT NEVER WORKS.
IF WE DO THAT AGAIN WE WILL LOSE
AGAIN.
WE WILL DESERVE TO LOSE AGAIN.
ONE PRINCIPLE FOR EXAMPLE WE'VE 
GOT TO EMBRACE IS ON 
IMMIGRATION.
WE MUST INSIST ON ASSIMILATION.
IMMIGRATION WITHOUT ASSIMILATION
IS AN INVASION.
WE NEED TO TELL FOLKS WHO WANT 
TO COME HERE COME HERE LEGALLY.
LEARN ENGLISH, ADOPT OUR VALUES,
ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND GET TO
WORK.
I'M TIRED OF THE HYPHENATED 
AMERICANS AND THE DIVISION.
I'VE GOT THE BACKBONE, I'VE GOT 
THE BAND WIDTH, I'VE GOT THE 
EXPERIENCE TO GET US THROUGH 
THIS.
I'M ASKING FOLKS NOT JUST TO 
JOIN MY CAMPAIGN BUT JOIN A 
CAUSE.
IT IS TIME TO BELIEVE IN AMERICA
AGAIN. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR. 
>> CARLY FIORINA, CLOSING 
STATEMENT. 
>> HILLARY CLINTON LIES ABOUT 
BENGHAZI, SHE LIES ABOUT 
E-MAILS.
SHE IS STILL DEFENDING PLANNED 
PARENTHOOD.
AND SHE IS STILL HER PARTY'S 
FRONTRUNNER.
2016 IS GOING TO BE A FIGHT 
BETWEEN CONSERVATISM AND A 
DEMOCRAT PARTY THAT IS 
UNDERMINING THE VERY CHARACTER 
OF THIS NATION.
WE NEED A NOMINEE WHO IS GOING 
TO THROW EVERY PUNCH, NOT PULL 
PUNCHES, AND SOMEONE WHO CANNOT 
STUMBLE BEFORE HE EVEN GETS INTO
THE RING.
I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE 
POLITICAL CLASS.
I AM A CONSERVATIVE.
I CAN WIN THIS JOB.
I CAN DO THIS JOB.
I NEED YOUR HELP.
I NEED YOUR SUPPORT.
I WILL, WITH YOUR HELP AND 
SUPPORT, LEAD THE RESURGENCE OF 
THIS GREAT NATION.
THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU. 
>> SENATOR GRAHAM. 
>> WE NEED SOMEBODY READY TO BE 
COMMANDER IN CHIEF ON DAY ONE, 
WHO UNDERSTANDS THERE ARE NO 
MODERATES IN IRAN, THEY'VE BEEN 
KILLED A LONG TIME AGO.
THAT THE AYATOLLAH IS A RADICAL 
JIHADIST AND CHANTS DEATH TO 
AMERICA.
DEATH TO ISRAEL.
THIS NUCLEAR DEAL WILL -- WE 
NEED A PRESIDENT WHO CAN SOLVE 
OUR PROBLEMS, BRING US TOGETHER.
WE'RE BECOMING GREECE IF WE 
DON'T WORK TOGETHER.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, LADIES 
AND GENTLEMEN, OUR BEST DAYS ARE
AHEAD OF US ONLY IF WE WORK 
TOGETHER.
AND I INTEND TO PUT THIS COUNTRY
ON A PATH OF SUCCESS BY WORKING 
TOGETHER AND DOING THE HARD 
THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 
DONE A VERY LONG TIME AGO. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR PATAKI, 
CLOSING STATEMENT NOW. 
>> WITH ALL THE CANDIDATES, WHY 
ME?
MY BACKGROUND IS DIFFERENT.
I LOOK AT WASHINGTON AND I HEAR 
THE TALK AND I SEE THE PROMISES.
AND IT SEEMS NOTHING EVER 
CHANGES.
WASHINGTON GETS BIGGER.
TAXES GET HIGHER.
AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FEEL 
MORE DISTANCE FROM OUR 
GOVERNMENT.
I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOT JUST 
TO RUN BUT TO WIN IN THE DEEP 
BLUE STATE OF NEW YORK THREE 
TIMES.
AND NOT ONLY DID I WIN, BUT I 
THEN WORKED WITH A DEMOCRATIC 
LEGISLATURE TO PUT IN PLACE THE 
MOST SWEEPING CONSERVATIVE 
REFORMS OF ANY STATE IN AMERICA.
TAKING US FROM THE MOST 
DANGEROUS STATE IN AMERICA TO 
THE FOURTH SAFEST.
REDUCING OUR WELFARE ROLLS BY 
OVER 1 MILLION AND REPLACING 
OVER 700,000 PRIVATE SECTOR 
JOBS.
I CAN GOVERN BY BRINGING PEOPLE 
TOGETHER.
AND ALSO I'VE BEEN TESTED IN A 
WAY NO ONE ELSE HAS.
I WAS GOVERNOR ON SEPTEMBER 
11th.
AND I'M PROUD OF MY LEADERSHIP 
IN BRINGING NEW YORK THROUGH 
THAT TIME.
AND WHEN I LEFT WE WERE 
STRONGER, WE WERE SAFER, AND WE 
WERE MORE UNITED THAN AT ANY 
TIME IN MY LIFETIME.
WE NEED TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER
IN WASHINGTON.
THE TALK HAS GOT TO STOP.
THE ACTION HAS GOT TO BEGIN.
PEOPLE CAN PROMISE YOU 
SOMETHING.
I DELIVERED IN THE BLUE STATE OF
NEW YORK.
I WILL DELIVER FOR THE AMERICAN 
PEOPLE IF I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE 
OF LEADING THIS COUNTRY. 
>> THANK YOU, GOVERNOR. 
>> GOVERNOR GILMORE. 
>> WELL, I WAS A CONSERVATIVE 
GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA.
I GOVERNED THAT WAY AND THAT'S 
MY TRACK RECORD.
BUT THE KEY THING THAT WE'RE 
SEEING NOW IS SERIOUS CHALLENGES
TO THIS COUNTRY THAT MUST 
CHANGE.
THE DIRECTION OF THIS NATION 
MUST CHANGE.
AND THAT'S WHY I'VE OFFERED A 
SPECIFIC PROGRAM TO THE PEOPLE 
OF AMERICA TONIGHT TO ADDRESS 
THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM OF 
GETTING OUR COUNTRY GROWING 
AGAIN, GETTING OUR ECONOMY 
GROWING, WAGES UP, OPPORTUNITIES
FOR PEOPLE.
AND SECOND, THE INTERNATIONAL 
CRISIS WE ARE FACING IS MOST 
DREADFUL AND MOST DANGEROUS.
I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AS A 
PROSECUTOR, ATTORNEY GENERAL, 
GOVERNOR, UNITED STATES ARMY 
INTELLIGENCE VETERAN, GOVERNOR 
DURING THE 9/11 ATTACK, CHAIRMAN
OF THE TERRORISM COMMISSION FOR 
THIS COUNTRY.
IT'S TIME FOR REAL SUBSTANCE AND
REAL EXPERIENCE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL OFFER TO 
THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES 
IN THIS CANDIDACY FOR THE 
PRESIDENCY. 
>> THAT CONCLUDES THE FIRST 
DEBATE OF THE 2016 REPUBLICAN 
PRIMARY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL SEVEN
OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
AND LATER, THE NIGHT HAS JUST 
BEGUN.
COMING UP NEXT, "SPECIAL REPORT"
WITH BRET BAIER.
YOU'LL SEE HIM LIVE HERE IN 
CLEVELAND.
"ON THE RECORD" WITH GRETA AT 
7:00 AND BILL O'REILLEY ON "THE 
O'REILLY FACTOR" 10:00 EASTERN 
TIME. 
>>> NEXT OUR CANDIDATE WITH THE 
TOP TEN CANDIDATES HOSTED BY 
BRET BAIER, MEGHAN KELLY AND 
CHRIS WALLACE.
"SPECIAL REPORT" STARTS NOW.
