>>> WELCOME BACK TO "HARDBALL."
>>> WELCOME BACK TO "HARDBALL." LARGE PARTS OF THE COUNTRY ARE
LARGE PARTS OF THE COUNTRY ARE PREPARING FOR THE COLDEST
PREPARING FOR THE COLDEST TEMPERATURE
TEMPERATURE TEMPERATURES IN DECADES.
TEMPERATURES IN DECADES. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOWN PLAYING
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOWN PLAYING THE ROLE OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND
THE ROLE OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND HE’S NOT ALONE.
HE’S NOT ALONE. >> IF GLOBAL WARMING IS AUZED BY
>> IF GLOBAL WARMING IS AUZED BY YOUR SUV, WHY IS IT WE’RE SEEING
YOUR SUV, WHY IS IT WE’RE SEEING GLOBAL WARMING ON EVERY OTHER
GLOBAL WARMING ON EVERY OTHER BODY IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM?
BODY IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM? AS YOU KNOW FOR THE LAST DECADE
AS YOU KNOW FOR THE LAST DECADE OR SO THE MARTIAN SOUTH POLAR
OR SO THE MARTIAN SOUTH POLAR ICE CAP IS CONSPICUOUSLY
ICE CAP IS CONSPICUOUSLY RECEDED, PLUTO IS WARMING OVER
RECEDED, PLUTO IS WARMING OVER THE PAST 14 YEARS.
THE PAST 14 YEARS. >> WHAT ABOUT -- CALIFORNIA?
>> WHAT ABOUT -- CALIFORNIA? WHERE YOU HAVE THE WAVES RASHING
WHERE YOU HAVE THE WAVES RASHING AGAINST THE SHORE LINES AND TIME
AGAINST THE SHORE LINES AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN YOU HAVE THE
AND TIME AGAIN YOU HAVE THE CLIFFS CRASH INTO THE SEA.
CLIFFS CRASH INTO THE SEA. ALL OF THAT DISPLACES WATER,
ALL OF THAT DISPLACES WATER, WHICH FORCES IT TO RISE, DOES IT
WHICH FORCES IT TO RISE, DOES IT NOT?
NOT? >> WE KEEP HEARING 2014 HAS BEEN
>> WE KEEP HEARING 2014 HAS BEEN THE WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD.
THE WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD. I ASKED THE CHAIR YOU KNOW WHAT
I ASKED THE CHAIR YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS?
THIS IS? IT’S A SNOW BALL AND THAT’S FROM
IT’S A SNOW BALL AND THAT’S FROM OUTSIDE HERE.
OUTSIDE HERE. SO IT’S VERY, VERY COLD OUT.
SO IT’S VERY, VERY COLD OUT. >> I’M JOINED BY BILL NYE THE
>> I’M JOINED BY BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY, AUTHOR OF
SCIENCE GUY, AUTHOR OF "EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE."
"EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE." WHY DO THEY COME UP WITH THE
WHY DO THEY COME UP WITH THE COMICAL EXUS
COMICAL EXUS COMICAL EXCUSES TO DENY THE
COMICAL EXCUSES TO DENY THE SCIENCE?
SCIENCE? >> IT STARTS WITH THE FOSSIL
>> IT STARTS WITH THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY THAT WORKS HARD
FUEL INDUSTRY THAT WORKS HARD THAT PLAUS MINUS 2% IS HIGHER
THAT PLAUS MINUS 2% IS HIGHER AND IN FACT THEY’VE HIRED THE
AND IN FACT THEY’VE HIRED THE SAME PEOPLE THE CIGARETTE
SAME PEOPLE THE CIGARETTE INDUSTRY HIRED.
INDUSTRY HIRED. THE POLSTER WHO SAID DOUBT IS
THE POLSTER WHO SAID DOUBT IS YOUR FRIEND.
YOUR FRIEND. HE COACHED REPUBLICAN
HE COACHED REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES THAT TO
PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES THAT TO INTRODUCE THE WRD THAT THERE’S
INTRODUCE THE WRD THAT THERE’S DOUBT ABOUT SCIENTIFIC
DOUBT ABOUT SCIENTIFIC UNCERTAINTY.
UNCERTAINTY. SO THEREFORE THERE’S TOUT ABOUT
SO THEREFORE THERE’S TOUT ABOUT THE WHOLE THING AND THAT’S
THE WHOLE THING AND THAT’S PATENTLY WRONG AND FRUSTRATING
PATENTLY WRONG AND FRUSTRATING FOR US IN THE SCIENCE EDUCATION
FOR US IN THE SCIENCE EDUCATION COMMUNITY ON THE FACT-BASED
COMMUNITY ON THE FACT-BASED SCIENCE.
SCIENCE. >> WHAT TO YOU SAY TO THE GRAVE
>> WHAT TO YOU SAY TO THE GRAVE MUSORT, ALMOST 2/3 OF TRUMP
MUSORT, ALMOST 2/3 OF TRUMP VOTERS SAY IT’S NOT AN ISSUE
VOTERS SAY IT’S NOT AN ISSUE WITH THEM PERSONALLY.
WITH THEM PERSONALLY. WHATEVER YOU MAKE OF THAT.
WHATEVER YOU MAKE OF THAT. RIRBTSZ NOT AN ISSUE WITH ME
RIRBTSZ NOT AN ISSUE WITH ME PERSONALLY.
PERSONALLY. >> IT REALLY IS.
>> IT REALLY IS. IF YOU ASK ANY FARMER, ANY
IF YOU ASK ANY FARMER, ANY PROFESSIONAL IN AGRICULTURE.
PROFESSIONAL IN AGRICULTURE. THE PESTS ARE SHOWING UP EARLIER
THE PESTS ARE SHOWING UP EARLIER IN THE GROWING SEASON AND
IN THE GROWING SEASON AND STICKING AROUND LONGER AND THIS
STICKING AROUND LONGER AND THIS MEANS MORE HERBICIDES, MORE
MEANS MORE HERBICIDES, MORE MECHANICAL REMOVAL OF ROGUE
MECHANICAL REMOVAL OF ROGUE WEEDS AND THIS IS VERY
WEEDS AND THIS IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
EXPENSIVE. SO IT WILL ADD TO THE COST OF
SO IT WILL ADD TO THE COST OF FOOD AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS
FOOD AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS GROWING IN NORTH AMERICA, WHICH
GROWING IN NORTH AMERICA, WHICH IS THE BREAD BASKET OF THE
IS THE BREAD BASKET OF THE WORLD, EVEN NOW, THE AGRICUL CHR
WORLD, EVEN NOW, THE AGRICUL CHR IS GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE NORTH
IS GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE NORTH INTO WHAT WOULD NOMALLY BE
INTO WHAT WOULD NOMALLY BE CANADA AND WE DON’T HAVE THE
CANADA AND WE DON’T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN, THE ROADS
INFRASTRUCTURE CAN, THE ROADS AND RAILROADS TO GET FOOD FROM
AND RAILROADS TO GET FOOD FROM THAT AREA TO WHERE WE NEED IT.
THAT AREA TO WHERE WE NEED IT. OF COURSE IT CAN BE BUILT BUT
OF COURSE IT CAN BE BUILT BUT THE LONGER WE MESS AROUND AND
THE LONGER WE MESS AROUND AND NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, THE
NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT WILL BE.
MORE DIFFICULT IT WILL BE. I CLAIM PEOPLE IN RURAL AREAS
I CLAIM PEOPLE IN RURAL AREAS ARE EFFECTED PERHAPS MORE THAN
ARE EFFECTED PERHAPS MORE THAN THOSE IN URBAN AREAS AND THEY’VE
THOSE IN URBAN AREAS AND THEY’VE BEEN HOODWINKED AND LED ASTRAY
BEEN HOODWINKED AND LED ASTRAY BY THIS GROUP OF LIKE MINDED
BY THIS GROUP OF LIKE MINDED PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE ECONOMIC
PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE ECONOMIC EFFECTS OF GETTING AWAY FROM
EFFECTS OF GETTING AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS ARE GO TOING TO BE
FOSSIL FUELS ARE GO TOING TO BE CATASTROPHIC BUT THAT’S SIMPLY
CATASTROPHIC BUT THAT’S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
NOT TRUE. SGLRSZ EVERY TIME I SEE A KOCH
SGLRSZ EVERY TIME I SEE A KOCH BROTHERS ADD, I THINK THEY
BROTHERS ADD, I THINK THEY SHOULD GET A TAX WRITE OFF.
SHOULD GET A TAX WRITE OFF. IT’S IN THEIR ECONOMIC INTEREST,
IT’S IN THEIR ECONOMIC INTEREST, ISN’T IT?
ISN’T IT? THE KOCH BROTHERS, GAS AND OIL,
THE KOCH BROTHERS, GAS AND OIL, TO DENY?
TO DENY? IT’S IN THEIR ECONOMIC INTEREST
IT’S IN THEIR ECONOMIC INTEREST TO DENY SCIENCE AND THAT’S WHY
TO DENY SCIENCE AND THAT’S WHY THEY RUN ALL OF THESE
THEY RUN ALL OF THESE ADVERTISEMENTS.
ADVERTISEMENTS. >> THAT’S THEIR PERCEPTION.
>> THAT’S THEIR PERCEPTION. I’M NOT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF
I’M NOT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE SOLUTION
DIRECTORS OF THE SOLUTION PROJECT.ORG BUT THESE ARE CIVIL
PROJECT.ORG BUT THESE ARE CIVIL ENGINEERS WHO HAVE DONE AN
ENGINEERS WHO HAVE DONE AN ANALYSIS OF OUR ELECTRICAL GRID
ANALYSIS OF OUR ELECTRICAL GRID AND THEY BELIEVE, QUITE
AND THEY BELIEVE, QUITE REASONABLY WE COULD GO 80%
REASONABLY WE COULD GO 80% SUSTAINABLE, RENEWABLE IN 15 OR
SUSTAINABLE, RENEWABLE IN 15 OR 20 YEARS AND 100% IN TWICE THAT.
20 YEARS AND 100% IN TWICE THAT. AND THIS WOULD CHANGING THE
AND THIS WOULD CHANGING THE WORLD.
WORLD. THE UNITED STATES WOULDN’T NEED
THE UNITED STATES WOULDN’T NEED TO GET ITS ENERGY FROM OVERSEAS.
TO GET ITS ENERGY FROM OVERSEAS. IT WOULD BE DOMESTIC ENERGY AND
IT WOULD BE DOMESTIC ENERGY AND SOME PEOPLE VERY CONCERNED ARE
SOME PEOPLE VERY CONCERNED ARE IN THE U.S. MILITARY AND THEY
IN THE U.S. MILITARY AND THEY WOULD WELCOME NOT HAVING TO
WOULD WELCOME NOT HAVING TO PROTECTILE FIELDS THOUSANDTHER
PROTECTILE FIELDS THOUSANDTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD.
SIDE OF THE WORLD. OVER REACHING EFECTS OF CLIMATE
OVER REACHING EFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE IS SOMETHING PEOPLE HAVE
CHANGE IS SOMETHING PEOPLE HAVE TROUBLE WITH.
TROUBLE WITH. WOULD HAPPEN IN WHAT SEEMS LIKE
WOULD HAPPEN IN WHAT SEEMS LIKE SLOW MOTION AND GLOBAL.
SLOW MOTION AND GLOBAL. >> THE GROWINGSUHAIRAU DESERT AN
>> THE GROWINGSUHAIRAU DESERT AN TREES LEFT AND PEOPLE ARE MOVING
TREES LEFT AND PEOPLE ARE MOVING NORTH INTO EUROPE AND IN OUR
NORTH INTO EUROPE AND IN OUR HEMISPHERE IT’S PEOPLE FROM
HEMISPHERE IT’S PEOPLE FROM CENTRAL AND LATIN AMERICA MOVING
CENTRAL AND LATIN AMERICA MOVING NORTH BECAUSE HOW MUCH IS
NORTH BECAUSE HOW MUCH IS CLIMATE RELATED TO THE MIGRATION
CLIMATE RELATED TO THE MIGRATION PATTERN?
PATTERN? >> THAT’S NOT CLEAR ABOUT
>> THAT’S NOT CLEAR ABOUT CENTRAL AMERICA BUT IT IS CLEAR
CENTRAL AMERICA BUT IT IS CLEAR ABOUT FLORIDA.
ABOUT FLORIDA. THERE’S TWO CITIES.
THERE’S TWO CITIES. MIAMI AND MIAMI BEACH.
MIAMI AND MIAMI BEACH. PEOPLE IN MIAMI BEACH ARE QUITE
PEOPLE IN MIAMI BEACH ARE QUITE WEALTHY AND CAN AAFFORD HAVE
WEALTHY AND CAN AAFFORD HAVE SO-CALLED MITIGATION SEA WALLS.
SO-CALLED MITIGATION SEA WALLS. BUT MIDDLE CLASS AND LOWER
BUT MIDDLE CLASS AND LOWER INCOME IN MIAMI CANNOT AAFFORD
INCOME IN MIAMI CANNOT AAFFORD HAVE THEIR CARS FLOODED ONCE A
HAVE THEIR CARS FLOODED ONCE A MONTH OR WHEEL WELLS FLOODED
MONTH OR WHEEL WELLS FLOODED ONCE A MONTH AND THEY’RE GOING
ONCE A MONTH AND THEY’RE GOING TO MOVE NORTH IN FLORIDA.
TO MOVE NORTH IN FLORIDA. ARE THEY GOING TO ABANDONED
ARE THEY GOING TO ABANDONED THEIR MORTGAGES?
THEIR MORTGAGES? WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC EFFECT OF
WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC EFFECT OF THAT?
THAT? IT’S FAR REACHING.
IT’S FAR REACHING. AND I UNDERSTAND IT’S VERY
AND I UNDERSTAND IT’S VERY TROUBLING FOR A LOT OF US TO
TROUBLING FOR A LOT OF US TO THINK A HUMAN SPECIES, JUST A
THINK A HUMAN SPECIES, JUST A FEW PEOPLE ON THE EARTH CAN
FEW PEOPLE ON THE EARTH CAN SOMEHOW CHANGE THE CLIMATE OF
SOMEHOW CHANGE THE CLIMATE OF THE ENTIRE WORLD BUT WE’RE DOING
THE ENTIRE WORLD BUT WE’RE DOING IT.
IT. AND THE EFFECT MAY BE LESS
AND THE EFFECT MAY BE LESS APPARENT BECAUSE YOUR NEIGHBORS
