>> I'd like to call the meeting
to order and that this is the
city of Titusville planning and
zoning Commission local
planning agency see a regular
meeting of September second
2020.
At this time if we could pledge
for.
Stand for the pledge of
allegiance please.
And madam secretary you could
call the roll please.
>> Vice chairman Richardson
president secretary spite now.
Alternate member Noel Copeland.
>> At this as I understand City
Council to support is it do
remember to the planning and
zoning Commission.
Assistant city attorney we have
you do your thing.
>> Yes, thank you at this time
I'd like to invite our newest
member miss Joyce Parrish to
join me at the podium for the
swearing in. Thank you.
Step a little closer so
microphone can
hear us. And please repeat
after me I state your name.
I enjoy us parish do
solemnly swear do solemnly
swear that I will support that
I will
support that.
>> Back to defend and protect
and defend the Constitution.
The conch strictly you should
and government and government
the United States, the United
States and this a Florida state
of Florida against all enemies
against all enemies
to mess. Tucker foreign
domestic or foreign and that I
will be there and that I will
bear true faith.
Loyalty and allegiance loyalty
and allegiance, the same to
the same and then
I'm entitled and that I am
entitled to hold offense to
hold office under the
Constitution under
the Constitution. I will
faithfully perform that I will
faithfully perform all of
the duties it do to ease of the
office they often
of that in zoning Commission of
the planning and zoning
commission the city of
Titusville of the city of
Titusville which I'm about to
enter on which I'm about to do
so help me God.
>> Just as a side in
1971.
>> You
whenever I was appointed city
attorney I learned that the
city did not have Bible and
which they utilize for purposes
is worry
and so. That's of my Bible that
I get to the city and has been
continuously use. The census is
to kill.
King James version of the old
guard. So just a little side.
History.
>> I believe we have a
quorum and at this if we could
have the assistant city
attorney agreed the appropriate
notice.
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>> The next item is approval of
minutes of August. I'm tearing
through regular and special
are there any additions or
corrections to the amendment.
I
don't hear any I do have one on
page 11 of your agenda packet
page 5.
The
3rd we're big and was chairman
savers says certain things and.
At the bottom of that paragraph
it says use L ID or at
at just correcting the word.
To least 50% of our G.
With edition and or correction
do we have a motion.
>> I have to accept the August
19 to 20.
Both meetings.
Miss but the old that both
meetings in the motion.
Thankfully both meetings, yes
Sir okay, thank you. So roll
call please.
Secretary spite o yes, vice
chairman Richard said yes.
>> Member Noel Cup win.
>> Yes chairman Sievers.
>> The
next item I Fraser judicial
confirmation procedures we have
no item on the agenda doing
with quasar
judicial items consent agenda
we have non whole
a draft. 24 the comprehensive
plan. Staff how would you like
to proceed.
>> So the commission table this
original item from
August 5th and then I'm sorry
July 22nd and then August
5th to tonight. With some
comments and some questions
that were given to us so we're
trying to go through those
can and Saint explained you
we've tried to address some of
the things that were brought
up.
Get into some additional
information I gave you the
agenda, the companies plan that
really get you with all are.
>> Comments or changes
that was originally dated July
22nd, I'm making changes to its
own version you see in your
agenda is the same one you saw
back in July 22nd.
>> Mister Paris can I ask
the plan that's in our agenda
has it been revised since
July 22nd. OK, thank you yes,
the same one
they want.
>> So I just got first thing is
going to do is go through some
of the items this list what
they are explained briefly what
they are given to a
new agenda. Then I was going to
go into a little explanation I
want to give you about the
differences between the
conference play and the land of
the regulations because I feel
like some of the comments of
still kind of mixing the 2
together. Then I'll go
through an.
Trying to answer some of the
most recent com that's that I
Mister Sievers I thought
really helpful. I let you go
through those like him one by
one. Some of them in come in in
a group because they all kind
of addressed some of the
address one thing same time so
it's like to go through those
not us out and see.
Those help answer your
questions and I do have a short
presentation which I intend to
get you back in July 22nd.
I think we ran out of time.
Some of the members who saw
little ready when I spoke met
with you individually and that
is the changes that we made to
the actual land use map.
So it just I have a few slides
to kind of explain to somebody
already seen already.
With that I'm going
to go through to subscribe
quickly the agenda items they
have in your that happens I get
you. So page 40 in your packet
against the for this agenda
item tonight for the
comprehensive plan.
The three-page letter that was
written originally given to me
on July 22nd from German
Sievers is on page 17.
I give you a hard copy of that
three-page letter it's on the
dice on your
table there. And I would
encourage you to follow along
when I get to that point in
describing how events of those
points that were brought up by
the chairman.
That when I get there so that
you can have that heart but the
and then also follow along with
the coal plant agenda on your
computer.
The second I direct that are is
a 28 page document.
Of answers that staff provided
to the Commish commission's
questions from
2019 in May of in June of 2019
we received several questions
or comments from 3 members of
the commission former Williams.
Commissioner Richardson and
Sievers and staff went through
tried to address the root
for each one of those questions
and comments are given to us
that some paste starts up its
20 to crack it.
I'm not going to go through
those because we went through
them already tonight.
That version of the complaint I
gave you on July 22nd addresses
all
of those questions now some of
them like
I said to some of the
commission's remember from last
year brought some and telling
out we're going to dress those
original question we got
last year so something staff is
probably not going to agree
with and probably will not
recommend incorporating into
the comprehensive plan. So our
flock to that that I presented
that.
Comprehensive plan with
those changes response this
2019 questions on
July 22nd. And I'll be happy to
answer any questions you want
him to the specifics response
to
those questions. Staff response
and staff changes the
competence I like it you want
what July 22nd.
I can certainly do that right
after my presentation of or at
another time joy or even in
person. Again I'm always
available to meet with you in
person as well.
The next item of putting the
it's an agenda starts on page
49. That's a power
point just information, I'm
not going to go through it, but
basically it's a power
presentation we gave to
commissioners
last year to describe the
neighborhood land use category
that was a big issue a big.
Topic that was brought up
during a workshops last year.
So it just describes that
particular
land use category it's
primarily a single family
which includes some multifamily
it's really it's a land use
category they were proposing
combines most of our
residential land use characters
together. To say you know we're
freezing the densities on those
areas or not proposing
increasing densities in single
family residential zoning
districts.
The next item I included in
your packet starting its
58 is a a publication from the
American planning Association
about four-base cut.
Commissioner Murray brought up
a good point about the
comprehensive plan that sweet
it talks about from a scope
doesn't actually provided
inside the conference of plan
there's a reason for that.
The comprehensive plan is a
policy vision document sets
vision and goals whereas the
regulation seeing the land of
the regulations zoning code.
The quantifies
quantify says regulations as
numbers and that's where you
see that the numbers the
setbacks requirements, how
many. Buildings are allowed
kind
of requirement. Those are
inside of land development
regulations where the buildings
are supposed to be located
that's inside the land of the
regulars. So I provided that
document to you last year and a
providing it to
you again on page 58 for
packing a description of what
for base coaches
and the reason I bring that up
to you again is because I want
to remind you that if an will
this company it's OK to plan is
adopted. One way to help
implement it is to later on
adopt before based code or
something similar insider land
about development regulations.
So that's why we didn't go into
the exhaust except
effort of putting form based
code inside the comprehensive
plan to cut it just mentioned
as a tool. Help implement some
policies.
Again I can meet with you
individually you have questions
about what that kind of code is
it's just such a different type
of different way of doing
something.
I have on page 66 in
your packet. A letter that
given to before it's just a
three-page letter. From staff
describing the plan is
the key issues and it describes
our approach in
this new and so it just like I
don't if Isaac you she's with
our current offensive. I am and
then the 3rd page describes.
Our approach with this new
comprehensive plan and how it's
supposed to House trying to
address
the issues. I will go through a
board explain to our show that
too many commissioners before
but it's for your information.
Page
69 in your packet begins the
draft conference play which
I've already showed you are
given to a July 20 seconds the
same one.
So with that I'm going to go to
little explanation of Al.
The differences
between cover its plant in the
zoning code and land of the
regulations and then I'm going
to that report. Were given to
me on my terms Sears on July
22nd.
A lot of communities have
a planning Commission and they
have also the commission but
this particular city has a lot
of others to look for signs
will have combined together on
the one commission. Well.
My experience so far with
bringing things before you said
we typically get.
A lot of questions and comments
and issues that are kind of
mixing the
2 together. Safety will please
think of the comprehensive plan
is this 10,000 foot. All I
document that's kind of give
yes an umbrella vision of what
our cities like over certain
amount of time.
And that includes slayings
categories which or very broad
legs categories or let's
holding categories if you will
so they just kind of set the
stage for how growth will What
will be allowed to happen over
time that's that main
real attempt of a land use
category that has come from the
mentally different from a
zoning district. They are not
saying.
Now the layer code conference
play is currently written is
that we we have our overarching
legs categories
and then we have a list of
zoning districts that are
allowed within those
categories.
So you get requests all the
time factor going get another
one of the few weeks going to
be very interesting that is.
A request to say I want to
change my lungs, a gory from
one commercial to residential
well.
Now I also have to do a zoning
district change
as well. But we're rolling in
one application so when it
comes before you you had these
2 issues brought to you as one
agenda item. It's going to give
you some members, especially
or noon to this and this is
something I've noticed that we
because they have to try to
explain that there's a
legislative action and then as
a quasi judicial.
And so the comprehensive plan
is all about policy it's a
legislative act, how we want to
see ourselves growth and its
policies are written broadly
and not regulate.
Typically are or
should not have language in it
that is more regulatory now.
Regulations have to be put in
their language because that's
the state law something some
type of legislation requires
put something accomplished.
That has some regulatory type
language but generally that's
not what you want to end up its
plans.
Commissioner Mary brought up a
very good with the great
example from St. Louis Louis.
This and I look through and I
really liked it that's a really
good comprehensive
the the the idea of having a
narrative we tried it we have
attempted to do that this track
playing including they're the
kind of sets the stage for why
we're for.
And sets the stage how why the
policies
are written basically we're the
job objectives are and what the
1st half of this track plan is
all about land use and
transportation. So we tried to
put some kind of narrative in
there which is a lot more than
what we currently have an
occult plan right now which is
just a list of policies.
And it certainly there is
definitely room for
improvement, I agree with you
on that and.
If and when this conference
play does get your
approval and if you do
recommend a good City Council
to consider.
To comes to schedule
transmittal here, it's by state
law what that means is this has
to go before public hearing
before you again.
Make a formal recommendations
to the council they hold the
transmittal here and if they
agree to transmit that means it
goes to the state freeview.
And it takes them how long it's
going to be to review this
comprehensive plan. So right
now we have not conducted that
we have no idea the state will
say about this conference play
weather on the right track.
Comment letter
from him back and I think it's
typically called or reported up
objectives and recommendations.
Then we have to address
their issues, yes and then
bring it back to you again for
this year's public hearings and
then adopted
we feel that we've done
everything correctly and get
back to them for them to look
at again.
So that could take another year
so I think there's definitely
another opportunity for this
come back maybe incorporate
additional ideas policies in
areas that could be. Put into
this comprehensive plan.
I think we're really asking
for you tonight is just
generally do you think that
we're on the right track.
And is this a dock that could
be supported and could be
actually adopted and to help
man its growth in the sea.
Another good point commissioner
Mary brought up was that the
plan does not really have
metrics well, I guess
objectives that you'd be
measured. And I think there's
definitely room for improvement
that I will say
this though because a state law
power comprehensive plans in
the state of Florida are
supposed to be structured.
Regulatory how this was
destruction compared to most of
the states. Like a lot of
states don't require come.
What use typically find in the
state of Florida is a plan that
excludes of goals objectives
and policies. And then distract
Egypt plans are all created
outside of that the kind of
spawn off of this major major
plan so right now we've already
started that little bit already
we have the.
Resiliency strategic plan that
we brought to some the
commissioners to you last year
that deal with sea level rise.
And the coastal management.
We have a multi modal plan that
was a trail plane basically.
I don't think is completely
definitely come back and do
another round of that adds on
to it. And we definitely have
some other ideas in here
that are listen district
strategies inside this draft
plan, especially the work plan.
If it is adopted it to work
hard for us to go forward and
implement the strategies with
additional strategic plans.
So that's what I want to say
about how parents plan versus
regulations and some of the
comments that were brought up
by commissioner.
With that I'm going to move
into a lesser any questions I
live in the letter that was
given to us in July 22nd, a
three-page letter.
Anyone have any questions at
this stage.
There's no hope and did you
have any questions. Not this
time, thank you thank you.
So I can't you for handouts.
The first one is the three-page
letter from chairman seekers
the second one is
the American planning
Association called universal
design you want to overburden
you with.
What kinds of documents about
this, but I think it helps
address some of the concerns
that
commissioner, Richardson as
about 88 complaints and as you
call the few meetings before I
gave you.
I know I mentioned I was born
one mentioned throughout the
whole conference play that says
even or a Tia.
This is a concept that's not
new it's very it's been around
couple universal design.
It's
a document. The documents
called quick notes that's from
the American planning
Association 2 page document.
What universal design is a
concept
that S developers property or
cities to kind of go above
and beyond 88 still 88 to say
does meet the requirements with
88 go a little beyond that.
There is one mention that
universal design in the draft
plan right now all
4 parks and
playgrounds in making them more
friendly for children of all
levels and you see that it's a
popular concept is going on
right now in Park development.
Some
communities have applied this
broad is a idea of design.
Sidewalks they all should be a
certain with regardless where
they are who's using them.
Buildings they should also have
a certain with doorway. There's
also I mean if special
affordable housing, all beaches
on a certain way to be able to
accommodate all different types
of people who are indifferent
certain circumstances.
I gave you a check list from
the city of the county of
Sarasota as an example of what
could be developed out of this.
I didn't reduce inside the
draft copy explained to places
where
additional record mentions a
beautiful says I could be
incorporated in addition to 88
complaints.
And that is in the mobility
element about
how weak adding to our policies
about complete streets making
them design presented for all
users.
Universal design principles as
part of the side of the design
of our streets.
Have also included another
policy inside the housing
element.
New housing encouraging private
housing, especially or or
housing.
Considering design elements
that are universal design part
of those developments. Well,
I'm welcome there to hear me
recommendations may
be expanding that's another
part of the company's plan to
address not just housing parks,
but and transportation, maybe
there are other opportunities
for that. But that's what I
want to show it here and in
fact.
We just point you to.
So again I cannot give you a
revised edition version of this
complaint that included on.
The Oak our it's our currently
already inside the open space
objective 1.2 4 new parks.
I put if you'd like a party to
that page so you can see it
says.
One 52 of your packet.
Paulus open space policy and
our objective one 0.2
says the city shall ensure the
newly developed a renovation of
open space is considered
universal design whether the
open space intended to be
public part private
development. So that could be
something we could apply to you
from playgrounds to part of a
new subdivision that can't
problem it's not near an
existing Park.
That's currently in the draft
we're at introduced in new
places I've put in some ability
element.
It's a mobility element,
3001.6.
What 68 your package, you know
you go there you will see the
look at the policy but I I just
included I'm going to include a
statement that says similar to
what the open space
on says that new design of our
Street to redesign streets
should consider universal
design.
And then I've also added a new
policy in housing
and one 1.3 which is currently
does not exist saying the same
thing.
That was a big topic and a big
serve a strict person, I don't
know if
you what a comment about that
are you ready to recommend
maybe something.
Another location where
something like this could be a
diplomat inside the company's
plant, this makes what you are.
Yes, it involves
to me commercial properties
like Titus landings. I don't
know how many comes up about
that.
>> To get to the theater and
the. PETA have place.
In the cap Park it up a side of
the road and the road is a
cobblestone Street. And it's
very difficult.
For handicapped people to cross
that and that couple still Tech
Street.
There's nothing in there that
is playing surface.
Was the teacher that joined us
for a while that he had to
leave.
She had
a witness.
One of her Handicap friends
fall in that very place.
And it's very hard for me to
get across the 2. So that's one
example that I think should be
considered or.
commercial
properties are well and if you
remember back over a year ago.
I said to you and Trevor
has say any time you can to
development like this and you
need some help in that seem to
fit is is.
Favorable the handicapped
people
getting across let's just call
me let me look at it not give
you some recommendations I
didn't hear anything. I realize
this.
These 2 pages from Sarasota and
the American planning
Association.
Examples.
I don't see anywhere in here.
Where they were talking about
universal design. In the
commercial project.
So we we should be very careful
about commercial projects
making sure.
Their complaints with a dia it
sounds like then maybe we could
added to the
city white.
>> Strategies of the very
beginning of the company's plan
to talk about new development
it
could be courage incentivized
to include to go above and
beyond with a T apartments are
something that puts policies
in there.
>> But I have noted that its
reference. Throughout the
comprehensive plan.
>> Disappointing clarification
for so there's the American
disabilities Act which has been
in place since 1960 and has
very strict guidelines in
regard to parking in some of
those things it almost seems
like in certain circumstances
as we've been moving forward or
I should say developers are
moving forward there's almost
a. Misunderstanding of what
those requirements are. And
especially as it relates to
commercial so.
I guess my question is how
there are we literally in our
does in a review process going
to hear
that because again there's a
Tia and then
there's these I mentioned these
elements are best explained
what I had to explain it in the
past.
You have requirements for
putting a kitchen.
These requirements tell you
have to have an open space
under counter and counter has
to be so highs will wheelchair
can get up to it. So that's the
difference there. And so these
guidelines.
Our for an
expanded concept, we're itself
should have had note some of
those things it's concerning to
me.
I'm used to
sidewalks being so light and
sidewalks having certain
components so that
people can get down the
sidewalk with a cruising into
the street and many of those
still a part of this is
actually pretty a Tia and so I
can one of the challenges ahead
with the plan is where we talk
and visionary and to me for
stating from the East Coast
visionary yes ordinances on
change. Later another.
Visionary to me is being clear
about
and then potentially these are
the nice things above and
beyond what you are saying.
I'm concerned that folly 88.
If we have challenges like
that. Just their whole
someplace.
It is very clear and parking
you have to be able to access
certain things within 200 feet
and so on so forth. And they
can have coal stones.
That's a 4 different discussion
at some point in time that
that's my concern when it comes
to some of these things because
like I said in 1960.
Those things came into play
this game and a play about 20
years ago.
And like I said it's to address
certain things but when it came
to commercial every time it a
commercial there's not a door
that and
36 inches wide. There was an
that wasn't a certain capacity,
there wasn't a door swings it
not as and you name it that was
a Tia not that it's so.
If we're not addressing those
things and are just the federal
law.
Appreciate the comments.
See if we can add additional
language into the beginning of
the conference play on.
>> The next
thing we'll show you give you a
implementation matrix this is
an excerpt from a presentation
like a priest Commission last
year.
To help dressed.
Comment number one.
And 25 those the ones I saw
that we're talking about her
ask you about the time frame.
And at the very end of the
comprehensive plan we have a
space holder basically for
implementation matrix this is
something a lot of culprits
plans around the country are
starting to add in there to
help.
Follow along to make sure that
there were track their
accomplishments.
This the form of a sea in this
handout. came from another
community.
You can see for example.
We already have a draft of this
of all the stress. These from
last year obviously he's got
David until this all playing
good.
But basically what it does is
it enough I switch strategies
which portions of coverage plan
to be responsible by which
department which agency.
And gives of a short-term time
frame in a long-term site for
him to accomplish the short
term what his first 5 years and
the long-term one is 5 years or
more. You remember the
conference of plan planning
rises 20 years.
So another we have already in
our current culture,
it's planned several dates of
their summit already passed
some things up in the caucuses,
some have not.
We have one that that we
recently put it into conference
play in the current one.
Finishing or coming up with low
impact
development stage. It's like
the end of this year that was
simple put into Cup in 2 years
because we're
2 years and that was something
that was asked of us asked of
us by the state when we were
trying to address. This sea
level rise issues.
Generally in the comprehensive
plan what we're suggesting here
in this new company plans that
short term that 5 years.
And so we will not want to go
through it in a fight this
matrix which strategies should
be. A call placed within that 5
year time frame
that's equivalent to our 5 year
capital from its program.
That's partly state law anyway.
So that's why that date was
selected.
So if you
like that the shorter and the
commissioner Sievers has
brought up 2 years a lot of
other recommendations we can
suggest that's not a problem
which would this is what we
came up with the original.
But it's got to be reasonable
to the staff level.
They actually give you
an exam of how we've already
come up with something that
actually would be put in this
coverage plan to stop it to
help us. Track these projects
East.
This came up when you worked
with
us last.
>> Gabriel trying its best to
answer some of
my questions. And the actual
statute that says that you have
to have a process
for him monitoring evaluating
an uprising implementation plan
is that what you're talking
about here.
>> At which you talk about the
statute is the C I a couple of
permits a look at the schedule
of capital improvements
required in the comprehensive
plan.
That is brought to you
every year truck you'll see it
again a few months couple to be
adopted a new vision that every
time.
What we're suggesting here that
in order.
This 5 years we putting here's
a short term is just equipment
to that 5 year our program
that's already stability.
The statute for couple. It's
our it's not otherwise. It's.
I mean we could
change it is necessarily after
5 years before 3 could be
whatever you like and we
briefly talked about.
>> 2 years and things like that
last time. I'm actually talking
about the part of that statute
that.
One 63.3
1, 7, 7, 1, D
it's not the capital
improvement, it's everything
you have to have a process to
monitor and so on so forth and
that respect so my initial
discussion about what's
measurable.
So when I ask you brought me
and he was kind of know so.
>> My understanding that if we
put in a timeframe that some
something it's
measured or is it that
periodically there's going to
be a review against the
comprehensive plan or.
>> Is it just kind of every 5
years based on
capital improvements.
>> So the state requires us to
evaluate our comprehensive plan
every 7 years in that process
called an evaluation of
appraisal report either.
We have to evaluate every 7
years.
If the city wants to evaluate
it was a different time for a
shorter that we certainly could
but that's by state law we have
to abide by.
>> And then one of the other
parts of that question that I
had for him was and not been
able to get my
hands on and again by statute
that says that this is supposed
to coordinate with Brevard
County.
And I haven't been able to get
a response from Brevard County
and their comprehensive plan in
April didn't have access to it.
So I didn't know
I had no way of knowing whether
or not they have measurements
against our plan.
How do I get this River County
comprehensive plan we.
>> Understand that they we've
actually tried tempted to try
to get ourselves to we have not
received
a response. But they used to
have it on their website like
we used to have a lot of great
pdf documents so excited
because of 88 I assume that's
why they do not have it on
their website
right now. And I don't know
what their intention is to put
it back on there, but we are
tempted to try to get that
plane for you.
>> All these pieces are out of
the statute that was one that
again I could do my due
diligence on because I can't
get that plan.
So it's a little bit hard for
me so by the time we get around
to the next level. In this
process you're talking about it
would be nice to say we have
that plan available us for
review because it's again part
of the statute.
>> My preference would be
either we insert the Khan
friends within the
comprehensive plan or we
have simultaneously the
implementation matrix so we
know what we're
voting on. And what our
expectations are when we review
this.
We can look at the matrix and
see where it is.
Otherwise it appears
to be very indefinite and I'd
rather know what I'm voting on.
Black and white when it's put
in the planet so or the matrix
is a part of a plan that so
that's my personal preference.
Anyone else has any comments
concerning this particular
issue before we move on.
>> So on a second parents of
the 3 page letter that was
given to us
to receivers you'll see is
referring to
page 33 we're talking of the
plan and I'll tell you which
parts that may let me just back
up for to the first page.
>> As you know
because since I first reviewed
the documents I don't know how
many I'm sure some average
years our current comprehensive
plan.
But my concern as I indicated
in here from day
one has been the protection of
the Indian River lagoon
protection of the city well
feels.
I guess simplistically my
question is.
Comparing plan with the with
the draft we have before us.
What isn't a
new plan. On those issues.
Provides additional protection
for the Indian River look good
or additional protections for
the
city wealthy. And the reason
why I say this is the 2040
player, we're looking forward.
It is obvious that the
condition of the end it River
lagoon has deteriorated.
Significantly this sense.
The year. Current plan was
adopted. Those goals objectives
strategies and current plan
have not been working. Clearly.
In addition Mister Barnes
stated as far as are.
Very to well field
and I quote his language right
here. What additional
protections.
And the comprehensive plan or
we recommending. That provide.
For
additional protection of our
city water supply over the
above.
What we currently have in our
existing comprehensive plan.
So I mean could you address
that I like to know what we're
doing.
As you as you know I Liska some
things here and that's just
brainstorming.
I'm sure we have others here
that have ideas also. But it is
obvious to May.
That we need to do more in
protecting those 2 resources
off all resources. Then we're
currently doing.
>> I could say on bull
there we and you're familiar
with the section
of that code ordinance that we
adopted a few years ago what
can you put what can you do.
Within 20 feet of the water.
code section there led to the
regulations more stringent a
few years ago to increase
of 25 feet and in some
cases up to 50 feet handing off
certain circumstances and the
code right now regulates.
Impervious surface you might be
allowed to put their
if you're building something
there you how you have to have
a storm water system review
fire engineer. Site permit.
To make sure it's being treated
water
runoff service if than it does
go to nearby to the river.
We have regulations in the
there was an order to stop it
so we're going to kind of dress
that bullet point.
>> A and B.
>> Many ways know if we need a
policy that reflects that.
I've been up but I understand
what I remember speaking with
you and visually about that
particular ordinance couple
years and I
thought they you heard there
was more strict than what we
had that will be at before.
We have a policy that kind of
reflects that is what I'm
trying to suggest and I'm not
making clear of it. Maybe we
need to come up with a
strategy.
Rather than relying upon some
County wide the agency that's
going to put up some of our
River.
And how
much that's going to benefit
the citizens of Titusville is
very doubtful in my mind.
>> But we need to me and I may
be. The only one feels
this way.
>> The city of Titusville and
the North into
this County.
>> Made to try to evaluate our
current condition. And come up
with plans and strategies.
To improve the condition.
And from everything I see and
read yeah
it's going
downhill. And since I live on
the river I can see it with my
own eyes, a very clearly.
but we have a lot of smart
people in this room and on city
staff. What would be the proper
approach.
to address some of these
issues.
And
certain serving something in
the comedy answer plan that we
are going to address them.
>> I'm open
to any suggestion that language
put in here, I think what
you're proposing here is more.
A strategy and yet we could put
it in there at the end of
the search section of one of
the sections in the complaint
says this is a strategy that
will go forward with these
parameters for that. So that we
could just add in there
that's that.
>> Well I might tempt that that
was a half at the bottom.
Probably not a very good
attempt with that haha just
right.
Remember you have something.
>> As you know I struggle with
this document but part of that
had to do with as reading
through it and reading through
comments. And again I can.
A test a confusing time some
certain things along the way.
I often wonder what is what's
been the comp plan is for us
protecting of a
good one and policies that are
in place to protect the
lagoon ever what we should be
doing as far as encouraging
ordinances come forward that
are very specific. So with this
being this
visionary high level document
there are certain comments that
have been made that I think of
Morris either ordinance or even
code level that we need to be
taken a.
We just we do address the known
we do address, you know low
impact development that's what
I see is these visionary
directions.
When I talked earlier talked
about I could not follow vision
to this to strategic
plans like the economic
strategic plan there just
wasn't that low and that number
actually
seen it. It is Phil strategic
plan for the go. And I I know
we just we address sea rise and
all that kind of stuff is there
that next step.
>> I don't know if you are on
the condition of time with
there was a presentation given
by our public works director
all in the Basin management
action plan.
>> The
map and.
>> That was something from what
I understand was a plan that
had to be adopted by
the city. And many other many
other jurisdictions along the
interval to gain as
that includes metrics and bass
lines that every community has
to follow in
order to reduce
nutrients floats going into the
early go and sit include
several strategies that every
community has to adopt we've
been we've been well at
the gate, adopting everything
that the EPA has been asking us
to do.
>> And I agree with Mister
Parrish, but the problem is it
is.
The lagoon is in such
a condition. The the Department
of environmental
regulation required us to do
that before we could approve
additional development.
Maybe everybody is satisfied
with the status quo as you look
out here.
To me there ought to be some
additional improvement to
improve the water quality.
Over and above just say well
you can add to it. Whenever you
say you can add to it you need
to.
Tried to address the current
problem come up with some
solutions and my River parish
to do.
>> Trying to figure out how to
work equipment. Thanks.
One of the real problems though
from my perspective
is times bill could have a just
0 tolerance policy see and
do divert all of the storm
water West. And
our part the Libyan would be
pristine but as long as Coke
and Melbourne, a drop in craft
in the river, it's. It's going
to get there.
And so the problem is bigger
than Titus them that. An
obvious thing that needs to be
addressed and I don't know
that.
>> Well and I
think your reply almost this
what he was concerned about so
that the map is what
the Brevard.
>> Level look at look at your
own is one thing.
>> So in some of the other
plans and had talked about they
had all of these attachments on
the backside of them which were
those type attachments which
where those directives and then
they had
strategic plans. And I don't
know who I agree with Joyce at
know who is responsible for
saying OK above and beyond
that.
>> We are we have to build a
base the management action plan
for our city area. Our our our
area. Just like Oprah does like
all the other sources. Yeah
it's so different parts of the
work together.
What our current company's
plant does not have any
reference to that
it so we introduce that the
policy into this trap laid to
rest next to
that play. So it's asking us to
that is something that is a
policy that is we need to fall.
And that's what the curb the
draft that we have for you
actually says.
>> And that is an attachment to
this comprehensive plan.
>> It it well.
It is in a way by reference.
Like many of the other smaller
players and they were plans
that are referenced in here as
well they are adopted by
reference we must we need to
follow those.
>> And then just my side kind
and that is so
ice again readability and being
able to know what this document
says
and I and we believe anybody
should be able to pick this up
and they can't sleep read it
and it's tough.
Where do you go dig up all
those extra plans. So I'm very
used to the document attached
or at least referencing them
personally so I can get to it.
And so that's what my
suggestions is there better
be a like I think in the back
end of this thing so that I can
go and see what that is and
understand it better.
So that I can make an
educated recommendation.
>> I I totally agree with you
we would love we've been
working hard to get over
documents implants
back on allowing for since we
were told because then it will
be a requirement. So I I
completely agree with you
on that we would love to have
we are working hard to try to
get everything back online I
got
old plan.
>> Because to me that having
that document readily available
to understand chairman
serious concerns or to be able
to support him to say you're
right this this document just
doesn't do it for us. But I
don't have to see
Night I've been here longer
it's I haven't seen all the
presentations so it makes it
really difficult and I think
that same situation is true of
citizens beat this.
>> I think you're moving to
page 2.
hates Page 100 of your Doc of
your packet I we just
acknowledge
we agree with that so I I 40
dress pates 3, 4, or conversely
3, 4, as related Thai prime
time for common number 5.
So your question I at the July
22nd, you are August 5th me I
think you said that you're
concerned about some of the
lanes categories being allowed
a local roads and that's a
reference pace 53 of the plan.
Which is.
Page one 23. Thank you.
And there's a table there.
That shows you the different
lanes categories and where they
would be louder where they're
most appropriate. On
which segments of roads inside
the city I remember we have 3
major classifications of roads
in the same have arterial slick
95 us one garden Street
state roads that we have
collectors which are primarily
owned and maintained by the
city, those are 2 years most of
their own
by state make collectors part
is a good is a
Us Singleton was a collector
and then everything else is a
local road. So local roads
typically can be passed through
roads marked age another it is
beginning road. So I think the
concern that you brought up
was that and we is it
appropriate to allow all of
these ladies categories by
themselves on a late on a
local road. I would say
generally know yeah I would say
that if it is a neighborhood
land use category.
Remember that's the one that is
consolidating different single
family residential end uses
together and some of that area.
There's going to be on a local
road, certain prescription.
Regulating exactly how this
time to be done to the
regulations though.
Which what you
indicated earlier was that some
things are more appropriate for
the land development
regulation. I would
respectfully suggest this
should be a.
>> In the land or develop
regulations rather than the
comprehensive plan.
>> That I wouldn't say it's we
find it appropriate
here because of the large
ladies categories that we've
created here so member.
I think there are 20 or 20
something legs categories
currently have we could solid
in doubt
not knowing. So this huge
swaths of the city there in
these giant mixed use lanes
categories. Now with some of
what's
to come women and ask for an
amendment to the company's
plans. I want that particular
land use on my property.
I think this matrix would be
helpful.
In forming that decision that
legislative remember the policy
decision as to whether that
lies critically it's really
appropriate there.
The gateway ladies
categories remember call that's
the one that's along us one
longer major arterial a
commercial corridor.
And so we were proposing a
mixed use land use category
along as major Charles that
state maintains. To allow
residential or commercial or a
mix of both.
This matrix kind of helps guide
as to where that to Calais
scares most appropriate.
Same thing with downtown and
the other.
This is not the only
information we go by Oxley and
any land use amendment.
Our staff are report
Scott address a variety of
different aspects for the
conference plants has and other
documents well so this is just
one piece of information I
would recommend that you have
something like this.
But if you want to detail even
further.
And more specifics, especially
among so is on the district's
yeah that definitely should be
a line of regulations.
>> Well perhaps maybe that
language should be added there
in
a reference to the land
development regulations.
That's a compromise Sir.
>> And this has to do
another important issue about.
Freezing or or densities and
this is on page one 26 of
your packet. The comment
was about this is if you recall
this is the matrix that tells
us what the maximum densities
are different categories and
how they are determined.
And then you have no number 2.
Underneath the matrix there to
talk about the maximum
densities in the neighborhood
future land use district are.
Every land use category that we
currently have and we need that
proposed over we're all big
neighborhood, ladies category.
All the dead cities of that
existing categories of
currently have right now be
frozen.
Some properties that were
approved many years ago with a
as a pod planned unit
development.
Those are
just the rights and we're
recommending to is freezing it
don't think we're not we want
to recommend increasing the
density.
The same thing with the
residential mixed use that is a
that is a special category
that's currently
located on property called
people Bay which is on the
northeast corner of us what
NASA Causeway.
That's what that's referring to
is just so we didn't want to.
Changing any vested development
rights there.
And ultimately increase that
city's than they already are.
I want to go to page.
61.
That is on page a player coming
back to the map. Yeah, you have
a short presentation at work.
So 61, which is on page one 31
in your packet.
This
is a sign that says I'm going
to correct that reference side
of the Union address that
that's a map reference. It
isn't it have the have the
correct it so yes let me go
back to a comment number 7 it
said has to do
with the changes that we
proposed in the land use map
and that is all starts on page
one 27 and won 28 of your cut.
So with that I'll have that
presentation turned on all go
through. Quickly the changes
that we made to land use map.
They see that the ladies that
will take us one 27 in your
packet.
Is the proposed latest map that
will replace the old one that
we have. So again you see this
huge ladies categories special
that area a big area
that yellow. That's the
consolidated neighborhood,
ladies category and yet the Bay
Area that's purple that's the
downtown expanded area.
We made changes let's see.
A couple of areas So there's a
lot of questions that Mister CE
Christmas ears asking
and that is the civic land use
category that we're introducing
here it's kind of a catch-all
civic public.
Big public institutional use
ladies category and he's asked
if he could be applied to.
All the schools we can
certainly do that. But our our
feeling is that schools,
in among neighborhoods are
part of the neighborhoods and
aren't necessarily just
institutional a really serve
the neighborhood. And so we did
see the
problem with. For along
barda in and knocks the great
the whole area there we preach
posed consolidating all the
multifamily all the commercial
all the
school districts. So the
district's together under one
big land use category called
neighborhood center.
It's a mixed use lanes category
that really serves neighborhood
there. It's not as intense as
some as the down time was not
as intense as the gate we won,
but it serves in the
neighborhoods on that Lecter we
didn't see any problem
with that. But what
commissioner Sievers asking is
if the schools themselves
should be in
the public. Ladies category and
we can certainly do that in
fact I did that already with
Jackson I can do that with the
other ones, but that was our
art our argument was that.
All of those uses are really
integrated together and could
be fall under one giant mixed
use latest category similar to
what you see our downtown right
now.
Our downtown ladies category
encompasses a lot of different
uses as one lane use.
>> I continue to
suggest that it should be civic
be changed.
>> Park elementary to civic.
Which is on dairy road,
however, cocaina.
Which obviously on Knox McRae.
You did not I.
>> This a very similar it's a
plea because park on this.
You could have included that as
a part of neighborhood center.
>> And to They're there.
>> So similar I can't figure
out why retreat 1 one way in
while you treat the other one
the other way.
>> Actually in the first
version of this before you
comment all of those schools
were
part of those neighborhood
latest because the
area so your quest to put them
in enter the civic we can do
that I obviously didn't finish
the night was proposing certain
see what especially the
larger ones into that If you
like us to complete that task
and make all schools into the
civic life is kind of a
certainly do that I just want
you to understand that the
purpose of the civic was the
lead for those big.
It's too personal type uses
that really don't fall into any
other type of category are
Sweden is one example. Our
wastewater treatment or our
reclaim water treatment plant
is one of those.
But we can certainly apply at
all schools
Titusville high school is
currently insider existing
downtown land use.
We could change that to a
civic like this well so we I'll
go we'll go either direction.
>> Titusville high is not as it
because of where it's located
is so different cocaine
elementary.
Another concern that I
had with she had whether
you have a larger map but that
deals with the Riverside drive.
You and I had a conversation
about that that originally was.
on the South in there were the
new
condos are. You had the strip
headed north on Riverside Drive
as a part of.
The gateway.
And as I understand it. It's
now been changed over to.
Downtown.
>> It's hard
to read them at yeah, the case
in a larger map actually shows
as a neighborhood. That air.
I think there you're talking
about I'm sure whatever you
like to cross the streets and
they were.
What you seem that downtown
land use category reflects
what's currently.
It's planned that way which is
residential.
And going back to the schools.
>> I mentioned this last time
so help me
and based on the statute,
there's certain land use
category as we have to use
residential is one of them from
the floor.
>> Educational was one of those
so we don't.
What's in the statute to what
were you using to their might.
Confused on why
we're not.
>> The question that we have
the statue says we have to use
certain land use category is
yes.
>> And what we don't have those
that we on
this but and in reference to
the land use map or map series.
There's these categories of
cars out. And those are not the
categories that we have so when
the discussion the city it came
up I went back to what is next
for spirit occasional.
>> We can call it what we want.
>> Like you said that you to do
that. Yeah we didn't like even
says their son has has elements
I think you've read too that
there are certain chapters are
elements of you outside
the conference what we don't
have to organize a conference
plan accordingly. Make sure we
have to make sure we have all
of those elements addressed in
some way they said the coverage
that's way to cover its plan to
do it after the way it is a lot
of communities,
red state trying to do that
just like temps for example
that you referenced me as
totally reorganized to
conference play not totally
consistent and structure but
the statute recommends. So
there's many ways that.
As long as we inch we have
those elements in there and
those lanes categories that
address these to talk to you
says let's fight but we call.
>> So as an example it says you
have to call the historic
district and identify the
historic building. So that's
optional.
>> For the statue saying that
we have to have a historic
district district district.
>> And recent business district
significant properties.
>> So we have policies inside
the conference play in that
address start preservation.
I was in the early reading
said.
>> In an actual Matt and again
I'm just trying to clarify my
brain.
This is saying versus what we
have and that was part of my
message is that the other day,
I'm
not sure. How we got to this
point so that's just
clarification I'm trying to get
how did we get to these
particular items that are on
here at I would love to have a
full-size map.
Because it's an important map
but I sure can't read it
because has no matter how they
can make the fight to my
computer at home it just gets
really really difficult so we
can provide.
So again I just kept going line
by line and through the
statutes.
So that's why I had so many
questions before.
>> So there are some of the
changes to the couple
properties on the North part of
the city
let's say we changed from
gateway commercial that every
chance of a neighborhood
commercial. And that is the
proper couple properties their
own dairy road that were
addicts in the property into
the sea in 2005.
Generally a neighborhood center
land use is going to be on this
collectors but in this
particular case we
can see that dairy road to
collect or email us one of
the material. We did see a
problem with change that to
neighborhood said that was I
think it was a recommendation
by chairman series as well.
There are some properties on
garden Street we change and
thank you for pointing out
there was a a townhome
development that we had in the
gateway
land use and recommended that
be put back into a neighborhood
place that's what we did there
that's located behind the
public's and garden Street.
They week there is a a.
>> I don't think you need to go
over all unless some other
people have questions, I'm
satisfied with what you change
that okay okay because you and
I sat down and.
We discuss that so my concern
at the moment simply relates
to this. The size of the and
say which we talked making sure
schools are appropriately
identified and my concern on
Riverside I
I 3 current concerns that the
we've pretty well addressed in
the past.
Unless somebody else has a
question on on the map.
>> Just briefly say that we
make some changes to industry
there was some properties we
initially put in
the gateway. They're actually
currently uses industry put him
into the research and
manufacturing ladies.
Especially along South Street
which slate
be all heavy industry on the
West Side of South Street
eventually becomes an action
that city.
Multifamily I just want
to mention again, you know
that's going back to serve out
there neighborhood commercial
zoning district. It is a
neighborhood center. So it
isn't just our legs rather is a
mixed use land use so we're
saying that.
The couple says multifamily
commercial or for both summer
watch develop other that like
yours that's what we're
suggesting here.
Vector space we put that
into you. Residents of certain
research and manufacturing
considered the gateway ladies.
We thought that's more
appropriate.
There were some properties
along of force.
That were
neighborhood center we change
that and to gateway.
And then there are some other
properties obviously near 95 to
9550 intersection
that we're we discovered were
actually industrial and we
change them to research um a
faction in the middle of the
gateway to use. There's just
some minor changes that we made
here.
Imperial
estates is not even on a
collector always change it to a
civic.
Or I think we yeah I think it's
but officer.
There are a few pockets of rain
a commercial even along a
country Club and Park we change
those took a plea. They're
currently used as a commercial
use. I'm sorry changes in
neighborhood center.
And again there are a
couple other properties that
are currently use is industrial
that we had extensive we
changed some research and
manufacturing to maintain her
best of rights. I
think that is it though there
are a few single fairly so
areas subdivisions between
Hopkins in a swamp
commission is concerned about
we change this neighborhood.
And the
downtown we changed it
completely to reflect the
current boundaries of the land
use category along garden
stream,
South Street and we've expanded
into the neighborhood west of
the other rebel trucks here.
That's it doesn't make changes
we made to that map.
And again I'll certainly sent
out a Mailer a large copy of
the map which I think I play a
game to circle but to the
commission last year other to
come.
The next court.
>> Page
one 45 item number 1175, the
original draft.
>> It's as if the property
owner choose to amend the
comprehensive this hand and
rather than dedicate an
easement then can elect a
proven the conservation.
I'm simply suggesting if the
property owner or Senate.
We're okay with that
we chase OK I think that's 5
that was my concern there.
>> I do want to match the
combined number 1215 together.
That has to do with a
incentivizing versus requiring.
>> And thinking about that more
I would suggest that we go with
Megan sent to fires.
>> Or require okay, I can give
when the land development
regulation prepared is a
flexibility.
>> This has to do canopy
requirements required open
space and the policies that you
see stated here.
Carried over that fell from
Tampa and I answered it as
directly.
We agree with that that changes
like what you can do them.
and number 13 you
have here.
>> As one 50. One 56.
This has to do with.
Coming up with a strategy that.
Develop and maintain the
recreation open space master
plan for the city.
It's be 2 major components of
that and that the promoting the
management maintenance to
prevent publicly owned
recreational assets. And then
also identify sling for
potential acquisition or
dedications parks, recreation
conservation and open
space including this is a
darker conference of plan this
kind of language we're carrying
over as strategy.
And then there
is there are so there's a lot
of concern about well why do we
protect our up and said we need
to identify the specifically so
I going to do some language
here to explain exactly that
means I think that's what
you're asking them. It's great.
>> Number 14 Page one
this suggestion as we leave the
original language that's
currently in the current.
We're
okay and to plan this One 58.
Beijing The document itself.
Concerned about that we can do
OK. Yeah.
>> environmental policies.
1.1 4, 2 1.1 3.
We can take out the proposed
lately and in this section
times.
>> I would respectfully suggest
that the city and that's
comprehensive plan.
>> And search is under a canopy
goal or.
>> The city with an X time
period shall review
come up with that kind of the
goal so.
>> We have submitted a grant I
can't remember the name of the
organization.
To help us canopy analysis.
This of the city.
So that it could help
us justify any particular
policy such as a requirement
for the canopy on new
development or redevelopment.
So hopefully we will hear back
in the next couple months
that's answer about that
Graham.
>> My question is why don't we
say we're going to do that in
the comprehensive plan.
>> I believe we have leg was in
there. I thought I could use
that said that.
That will come up with some
kind of care to people.
If it's in there. I didn't say
it but a specific number I can
put
it no as far as they don't 30%
don't want to insert a number
of fine but just have a goal
that you're going to.
>> Kind of come up with the
canopy go that's all I'm
suggesting correct.
I think they want to do a
study.
>> That's correct right now we
don't have every city has if
they have the canopy ordinance
typically
has a the standard that they
have a basis for that standard
currently we don't have that.
We didn't do a quick and dirty
study using a tool for that's
on live from the.
That result of this that have
been
floating around treatment here.
They've introduced some those
canopy requirements and their
draft but we don't find it that
particular told that we years
as reliable uses kind if got to
get a quick and Anderson.
A quick understanding of what
you can be might be.
But we believe that kind of a
Tampa did they had a
one study analysis of the
vegetation or city really fig
out what assets
they have health protected what
they should do its part of the
world. The backup that number.
>> Item 7 Chan has sown one 63,
I'm
just so that change in the plan
item 18.
>> 1819 I'd like to come by.
>> In the current language and
the case upon request of the
property owner. I think the
city.
>> Should be able also to.
>> acres of wetlands.
This sort
of it suggests to me that the
only one request conservation
on that would be the proper
that the city would have the
authority to request.
>> Where can I stuff falling
where you see word property
owner only.
Would be required says under
2002.3. What was less than
5 acres may also be placed
within the conservation plan
Kerry upon request of the
property owner, okay. Say of
on.
As the designated by the city
or property on the could do
that.
We can make that change of.
I do want to make one statement
about that.
2002.2 3 of Page one
63 per pack.
In the second page said about
the second page of Mister
letter.
There's just a strategy
language that is in our current
conference play
hits states. At a minimum
wetlands 5 acres a more
decisive be designated as
conservation land use and so.
I want you to understand what
that means. We have occurred
comprehensive plan land use
category
called conservation. And if you
look at our current complex
planned future land use map
you'll see there's a big lots
of areas. Lots of green on
this.
I don't want you to think that
just because it's green, it
means it's protected.
And I know that that that's the
understanding of this lady's
categories of some help
provides additional protection
which does something to provide
some tick protection.
That ladies category which
originally was originally put
on to the city,
he has a lot basically in
response to what the state was
required when they were first
asking the city's 2 come up
with comprehensive plans.
And they asked for it
conservation bound are some
ways category something on the
maps that enough ice for their
wetlands.
So what the city did at the
time I think a lot of other
cities that same thing too.
It's look at the National
wetlands inventory. Back that.
Created a boundary and
throughout the city.
But we
don't and then way this policy
here says the district strategy
here says it's also carried
over to our code. It asked for
someone who.
Let's say developer buys piece
property and there's a large
what little the property.
But then there's a larger area,
the property that has its green
conservation ladies so imagine
that land use was originally
put on the property with a
boundary that's really this
thick when the value of the
wetlands this that so words the
the sun eyes of that national
wetlands inventory.
It's much wasn't to the scale
of the sick.
Now the strategy asked the
developer to provide to us a
wetland delineation.
Identify where these wetlands
really are the boundaries of
the property ground truth.
And then through this process
we're going to fight what lands
that are
truly well it's that or 5 years
or more and those have to be
served and putting caps inside
that conservation land use.
If you're gonna filings or 5
years more part of property
doesn't currently have that
late you saw it you got to ply
this land use on
to it. That's been the practice
since thanks Dan suspect an 88
since inception first
conference play the city.
It's been the practice every
sense of what that does.
It combines a legislative act
with the cause additional act.
It almost guarantees that you
can't ignore I basically what I
read. Who
wants to change the
conservation land use and their
property if they can prove what
about is the wetlands.
I think there was a tent maybe
10 years ago by staff to try to
change this to be more logical.
I people saw this as
well conservation uses
something there's green some
property, it's on the map it's
protected never change so that
doesn't happen so true as I
just described.
We think the best ways to
preserve identified reserve
wetlands that are truly
functional need necessary
wetlands and in some cases,
small state is through either a
deed restriction and East
but that's dedicated to city or
to Saint John to some other
agency. Attract as part of an
approved plant subdivision were
condition as part of this of a
site plan. Those are really
true restrictions on protecting
weapons. Just say no you're a
small weapons found
cios every so often as you have
to 5 years later 10 years later
after serving. I just want to
extent we
did not make changes to this
policy other than what you see
in point. 2002.2 3.
The first one talks about its 5
acres more
you got put it isn't dedicated
Saint John's or other agency
with a conservation easement or
designated in the conservation
ladies.
The next
policy number 3 what is less
than 5 acres shelter protected.
Detected through a
creative design
but of clustering clustering
development to avoid impacts
that's currently not a plan
right now. So it will have very
much good protections of small
wetlands are less than 5 acres.
So I think that this new
language here 2002.3. Provides
an incentive. Preserve those
smaller wetlands because now
we're asking them do it with
unique in creative design of
your development.
Clustering slots in or out what
sets and putting those wetlands
and tracks to protect them.
I just want to leave you with
that we will do whatever you
are ask if you want us to
require that every one of you
put in conservation land use
some kind of looks like.
We'll do that I want you to
understand how to curly works
and help those in.
>> So there isn't anyone have a
I have a comment on it and does
anyone else have a comment on
yes.
>> Just to make sure I
and that's really not protected
because it encompasses warden
the wetland.
When would then propose to
develop departed, it's not.
What would be the
mechanism to control
that portion so that there's
no.
Degradation all the wetlands as
that pair would get developed.
>> Later 2 parts because there
was up.
Revisions or plan to have a
process and there's a post
process so we've included this
line you see years under coach
to somewhat similar but we
include another life sentence
in there about plan
development. Before that we had
an example like a carpet
or states. Subdivision you know
where that is a signal to cover
as a 77 day or 70 property day
one go through plan development
cluster there.
Lots together to get the full
densities 78 there's because 2
thirds the properties what they
want to preserve much as they
can and mitigate
very little that would convert
filled and convert some of it.
And so what they did was
they had processed tight part
them to put all
that wet. It's a conservation
ladies and remaining a plan
where they actually building
into this residential ladies
plan develop a controlling
document.
But they
fortunately did it, but we're
not required to do was put all
those wetlands and a separate
track as part of the approved
plan. We were happy that they
did that.
And so then after that we made
a change that to code say to
add that as a tool that you
don't necessarily have to put.
What went into a conservation
as long as you put it it's a
track part of Platt almost a
possible change that. I got to
get every property owner greedy
and amend the plaque.
Developers can mitigate
wetlands that.
>> I understand the explanation
dealing with the conservation
easement.
My major concern is.
Conservation land years you can
have one unit per 5 acres.
I see.
What's being done has.
If you put in a
conservation easement.
>> The big get they have they
don't have.
>> Conservation land use so
that not the moment still one
unit per
5, 8, hers is given a PDA
classification where they may
be loud 5 units per acre.
Suddenly on
5, 8, there's instead of having
one unit we have 5 times 5 we
have
25 U.S. I see this is that
device.
Frankly staff may
be promoting that allows
greater density and intensity
of use on the land. We just did
that. On have Brooks landing.
Fortunately there only to units
per acre.
it was the land use.
Health and so on
the approximately
8 acres it really should be in
conservation land use were you.
Well one unit per 5 a there's
you allowed 8 times. 2.16 more
U.S..
That methodology because I
think you're going to degrade.
The conservation area and your
garden have higher intensity
development, a great adjacent
to weapons. I think that's the
wrong approach.
We just did that on Brooks
landing.
I see this is a lot bigger
picture of allowing greater
units in greater density.
>> In for Brooks like to have
to think about our look back I
guess how that was done by.
The idea of not a left right
male.
You can take a piece of
property and do a conventional
subdivision on there.
What would be the incentive
to try and get them to cluster
of that development so that
they can preserve as much open
space as possible. Well they
can do a conventional
subdivision but they can't
build on the
conservation year. Land use
except one unit per 5 acres
yes, so the current
comprehensive plan.
If you do not identify if you
go to provide to us that ground
truth
let survey and you don't notify
you'll find out what went on
there that's more than 5 acres
its function.
You don't have to put it like
this where you have remaining
that skirt, let's current step
out yeah.
It would be good to have an
incentive.
To ask them to create a
subdivision that helps build
around. I agree with you 1000%
but the can.
The incentives should be set
aside the land for parks and
Recreation
and treat canopies therefore
you can build great or not the
incentive big
for changing what is wetlands
over and putting a different
land use on it. And that's what
is happening.
With this methodology you're
going to do the exact you're
going to cause
greater stress on ways
wetlands, greater stress on
conservation and then answer
increase density that's what's
going to occur with these
regulations.
Disgrace are on that I still I
think we would probably talk
about that may be specifics us
how projects we're proud of you
may be against the code called
plan may be separately of his
being but I don't know if you
could be over. But with
conservation is meant to be
used for lots of purposes that
just doesn't have to be
wetlands that can be conserving
certain portion of the land
for for the use and benefit of
the residents. Yes of course
in fact right the radically the
PD was supposed to do that
however we lump in there
all day retention ponds and
destroyed the whole purpose of
it. Well that that's been our
code. For many years that you
can include.
And we've got
some things
the year and I understood you
Rick come up with a correction
for that yes
a bit. Well what was it that in
addition to many other projects
we've been at tasked to do we
have been working on
open-space ordinance yes to
defy to clarify would open
space really is the plight of
her those types of problems.
The discussion I think
discussion.
OK so no the 3rd picture last
page number 20.
And that is on pace to be for
the document Page one 64 of
your packet.
>> I think you're stating here
that we should put under policy
2002.4.
All I'm suggesting is that
scares me.
Come on he stopping after
functional value braving
federal state
or terror. They have to comply
with that anyway, but we can
have our own standards. We're
required to protect.
By state law we're required to
protect the wetlands are
required to do these things.
So I wheat I don't think we
have.
>> You're setting a clarifying
language we already have their
opposing you like which is that
correct.
>> All I'm saying is you
clarify the language of its.
No net loss of function of
value period.
Rather than
deferring to Saint John's to
you're asking for us to
evaluate whether we should go
above beyond what Saint John's
will be not necessarily.
But you have the option to
do so. Yeah, sometimes want
pressures. A
classic example, well where you
could have and should not
destroyed so much.
And had
and allowed purchase of look
weapons in Volusia County.
That's what happened there.
>> Yeah, let's do this
let's make sure the commission
as a commission understand what
no no that
loss means as a
means no net loss inside the
bigger area. Cupp says
Titusville
but also whatever Saint Johns
River water water management
District. Well
if that's.
>> Your interpretation I
suggest we just like Brevard
County's note
of that lost in Brevard County
that's their regulation has
been since the 1990's. All I'm
suggesting is no net loss.
The city of charges. Kerry.
That's what I've been saying
all along.
And people can if they want to
develop a certain track and
destroy weapons that can create
wetlands over over here by some
of the other lands incorrect
weapons so there is no net loss
it's not as if is that
difficult to do they would
prefer writing a check for some
land in Volusia County. That's
what's current.
>> It sounds like the public to
address this concern of yours
is too maybe I asked the city
to feasibility basically.
I don't know if we
can propose that would be
difficult for us to propose as
a policy that that is how we're
going to fight it from
now on the complaint without
waiting whether that's the
really useful for city of our
size.
But I mean if if the commission
would like that we can
certainly proposed that I'm
just telling you that that
that's probably what.
That we need to figure out how
that could be accomplished
first. There are the way
are you.
>> The argument sometimes is
well it's within the same base
and the Saint John's bases just
wanted the weapons is on this
side of the ridge. It's not
within the same Basin
because you're destroying
wetlands that go into the
Indian River.
Richard so that there isn't
that kind of logic.
>> I think it thinking this way
if you're going to ask the
city to only allowed one
medication within about is the
city that we have to come up
with a program.
Allow
provides that opportunity for
developer to be able to what to
mitigate wetlands within the
city boundaries only. We have
to evaluate where that new
medication could happen.
Do we would have that
ability and if we have to just
the city have to purchase land
in order to do that.
Do we have
that is that we have that
ability to do that I think some
communities are actually had
been successful this may be
some communities of having a
very difficult time, especially
small firms. rely on the water
management District and forth.
I that's a big that's a tall
order. No think we probably
need to evaluate whether that's
really feasible. But we can do.
I could suggest language in
here that the talks about.
But asked us to look at.
>> That's my suggestion that I
don't whether the rest the
commission agrees with me
that's my son.
>> I just want to reiterate.
We've had a lot of discussion
about this and I understand
what you're saying Brandon
regard to is it feasible.
I don't know how you worded in
this plan say it is our
preference basically that that
medication occurs here. So that
it's not so easy for to just go
off to the county. It may have
to go to Volusia.
First preference is that we've
been okay. We're our benefit
and then it there's no way for
us to do that then it goes
after 4 though shows. I mean we
can tailor language that way.
That's just my take on it
because again we might not be
able to do it the way we fly.
>> This is
about the same page and this is
strategy 6 and this is about
I think.
>> Adding a a shell regulation
that there be a 15 foot buffer
around wetlands.
>> And.
I have no problem with
with may be at its language in
here that allow asked us to
Valley with at this point
that's what we've done here,
but I think. She was what
you're asking is that we put in
something or a couple of this
is that. That's a line you have
to do that.
And I would
recommend that some think that
kind of regulatory language be
carried over and put into the
company as parts of the land of
regulations rather
than comply. So the strategy
that drafted here number 6.
On page one 64 of your packet.
City will develop a standard
for the preservation of natural
History, but first be retained
about what lives.
And the city will evaluate the
feasibility of an average
minimum example, 15 feet that's
what it threw it in there.
I know your comments to asked
to go ahead and put a
regulation here. Yeah, I
would just I recommend that you
don't do that you're probably
at this point.
To allow us to look at
that see that's really again
feasible allows looking to help
justify the regulations of the
conference inside the code.
Similar to canopy.
I think I had the same comment
on the next comment.
Same page strategy. About a 30%
of the tree canopy.
It's a regulation I think
should be the coach, but we'll
go either way with every
recommendation is.
>> That obviously relates back
to my first pays were on trying
to suggest some kind of
regulation that helps. These
are very too well field.
there's 4 factors. The original
study shows.
Preserve
the water and one of them deals
with 3 and then the natural
vegetation so.
That there's a study
that already justifies that
they've been
justifying forever. And the
more that we take down the
hills more are we to remove the
vegetation the greater
evaporation that workers and
the last water that goes into
our surf official Parker for.
>> And to me this should be a
a.
>> Requirement or gold or
something.
Because I'm looking 20 years
ahead. In the future water
supply of the city.
as we put things in here to
protect.
The future water supply the so
there I have a concern I
understand what you're saying
about. And land development
regulation but. To me there are
certain.
Goals objectives strategies
that said after it should be in
the plan if that's if your goal
or objective and this is a part
of that in
my mind for for something as
important as our area of
critical concern.
>> On the next I wasn't sure
which are free to on number 23
this Page, one of 6 the
document
we're getting very close here.
>> Well the existing
comprehensive plan it requires
the installation of.
Dissipates one 76 the packet.
reclaim water lawns to be
installed even if the line
is unavailable. So okay just
pointing out that's what the
existing plan, Rick.
>> Wires and obviously you're
proposing a change.
It says to do it
as proof.
>> I did in the land
development regulations.
I think what's going to happen
the land development
regulations are going to be
change.
And not to require so I'm just
trying to suggest we ought to
preserve what we have an hour
time for an existing
comprehensive plan. That's all
I'm trying to suggest.
>> So on the Comment
number 20 4 page when I talk
about reclaim water as well I
think you asked about.
In this later on about money
for reclaimed water proves us
to comment or 27.
No there's not a line item
inside the Capitol proven
schedule of the CIA the couple
from Solomon. For reclaim
water.
There is in
the budget it's a line item
for.
Getting a consultant to help us
do a master plan.
That that
process is going forward right
now I believe they are
receiving bids.
And will select a consultant to
help us complete a reclaim
water master plan, strategic
plan of growth of that system.
Everywhere can be most likely
be extended.
I think that it's I'm not
necessarily suggesting month.
>> At the end the capital
improvements plan for this
year.
But I would respectfully
suggest that there should be
the following year. Whereby we
have the
can implement.
This study up 2012 or 13.
I'm a bit later than that we
did have annual amounts.
For some reason they were
deleted.
whenever you have a
plan that says you're going to
have reclaimed water lines then
the area of critical concern
we're going to expand it then
you need to have the capital
funding to and that otherwise I
don't think their plan is.
The plan is inconsistent.
>> Once we have the master plan
will be able to identify what
those
improvements might. The yeah it
is approved the capital from
its got to be put into the CIA
actually president.
>> We not have a master plan 20
to 30 years ago when we
put in a lot of these water
resigns. It also disappeared.
>> I I got to find out for it
because I don't know that
answer you briefly to one.
Yes Sir.
>> I don't understand why we
can't hair all
these consultants. This study
things that we did 20 or 30
years ago.
I said it last time I said to
him, yes Sir.
That brings us to the
last comment.
>> Agreement we had one for on
them
down here.
>> This is expired and I never
got renamed by the city or the
county.
What that is it's
growth as we thought you meant
that's an agreement between a
contract based between County
and city. And how we will
addicks and now we will review
planned site developer it's in
the other car parts.
We're proposing is we do have a
strategy in there right now
that ask us to do an agreement
with the county.
It's really a master annexation
plant base.
How we're going to annex a
corporate properties along
our boundaries in the city
turned it is a policy that if
you want to develop and killed
and you need the city's water
hokah pursuer policy is side
agreement so we can edit your
property. Whatever we need want
to that's the policy right
here.
How land uses will be applied
to these properties over time.
We would recommend adding an
agreement with the county that
helps streamline that process
the possible there's a
stretching a couple right now
for there. But the old one yeah
I think expire tonight.
That's all I was good that's
all I was going to go over.
In regard to that agreement.
So the joint agreement has
expired yeah had a tight lid on
it. And when it expired.
It must've I think it was just
when I started the 2014 he
remember looking at it and.
>> And so now what happens what
happens is.
What happened at the
time agreement is a development
would be proposed in
the city in a boundary with a
certain distance of the
boundary.
We we share or review share or
the plan that we see it with
the county so they could have
an opportunity to comment.
The sea there any impacts their
infrastructure their
comprehensive plan in the city
found correct and vice versa so
we got to see what the county
seat. And we had an opportunity
to get us basically how it
works.
I think we can resurrect that
again we can start a new life
but I think we also should
include a component in there
that talks about how policy
land uses should apply as these
properties become part of the
city. In any agreement with the
county I think we should it
work.
>> That is going to be part of
the comprehensive plan its neck
and that is red.
>> Have the conversation with
the county star. Yeah right now
that all players does not
exist, it's not effective so we
don't share information with
the county except.
Are not required about about to
bite agreement. We do have a
good relationship with County.
We do share with information
that we need to and they
certainly do that with.
But there's not that agreement
that requires.
>> Status of joint planning
agreement so did it used to be
in the comprehensive plan that
there was a giant stands
agreement in the current
comprehensive plan it I think
it just.
>> Asked us to work with the
county doesn't specifically
references or adopted power.
It was adopted by separate
action between County the city.
>> Asking for to be put back
into the comprehensive plan.
>> Can't do that. Yeah right
now we're suggesting is that
we. If the complaint is asking
us that we have to go forward
and try to do something about
it.
>> I want
to double check with
the commission. Doyle Copeland
that's far as whether she have
any comment.
>> It's that the stamp Les
tions are you okay.
>> What the
what the.
>> Motion are you looking for
Sir and well before we go to do
we have any cards on
this item. Yes Sir okay stand
Johnston Mister Johnson your
time Sir.
>> Sent Johnson it I'm speaking
as a professional engineer
first formal
our new member and an attorney
Joyce Parrish, thank you
becoming a member of PNC
put this a comp plan just turn
repeat this is that it says
sets visions.
>> Goals.
>> The objectives and policies
and one of the things that I
believe we we may be able to do
in this if maybe I'm
wrong with. There's an issue of
skyscrapers and hair as is.
In the city and when I came
here and.
7 day is It was
one of the biggest
attribute Bush was bragged
about was that this was a
little rest community an hour.
In on the skyscrapers in high
So it's a change and.
According to a few back in
1970 71
to say is this is not a good
quality of life that we're
looking forward to so I also
identify some city problems
for the most part of the state
needs honesty and open
discussion. And they also an
access to a professional
engineer for PNC. In this
just some some Number put
outdated area of concern
somebody this week and you're
built for enforced because has
number Wells have been the band
and so forth
needs to be changed the road is
flood zone
you don't know maybe don't
understand this. But rose flood
zone. Ovations results include
cutting something you
don't want.
Number 3 a need for maintenance
of flood ways as required by
the storm and
what plan uproar over this with
your written letters about it
before.
Illegal flooding a problem
There's 2, 2 dams are designed
to fly private
and the city is sick course
takes property by increasing
weapons
number 5 is the need for a pure
a professional engineer to back
up with he's the NZ does you
just don't have access you
should have some I commend you
have several
professional engineers. So that
was a lot of what I appears to
be to be very
easy questions. And the number
6 I want to go Woodward said
and that is that the protection
of the
Indian River and I will it's a
big day. It's a big deal.
Right right now is that those
we certainly was showing some
of our reports are over public
of Wells if you pump will 500.
There are 200 gallons per
minute for 5 minutes rather
than 50 on permits for an hour.
So with the city is done they
can even show
your record. You the city is
destroyed Wells going right now
is it. We've got a will field
over here south
of 50 we've put in over
10 million dollars owed and
it's it's a waste of money it
looks like we don't have it
there.
At least a few more
minutes this 2 minutes, if you
can they can and they do have a
motion.
>> There's also 2 minutes 2
minutes all So
that let me get a vote on okay
Sir we have a second version we
have a second. All those in
favor please say yes. Yes, yes,
rose know.
>> Up a bit from the less than
2 minutes but I would like you
to look into this is special I
think that you all all know is
that.
In the City
Council doesn't want me to
speak they have the rumors
about me about some kind of.
Engineer that's
reviewed my correspondents
which they don't want to so so
I appreciate you give me 2
minutes but I just want to use
a specially certain is that
this Indian River issue is
that deaths I was here when we
what
they call someone to present
make a presentation on probably
should pass this in River
cleanup. They have a profession
engineer they had someone from
and natural resources and she
just said she she did something
like this region also might
something that someone else
wrote. And that doesn't do
any good. Right now is that we
have of failure. A
big fair you're on the cleanup
of the Indian River.
It appears that nobody has the
answer.
Nobody has given the right
answer and not only do we have
no what I brought up to bleed
to your kitchen also is that we
have.
A very little water runoff in
the river compared to
other places and also you know
some of the onion router went
up to a limit to Oak Hill.
And their Sunday in. It River
there looks horrible to.
I dealt it just says it's a
problem with just phosphorus in
action. We've got all kinds of
herbicides been
going on River for years
herbicides and pesticides
nobody takes an issue we used
to have frogs all over the
place or hear about I
can scottsmoor all over the
place Mister and miss nothing
like it was so.
Not just on a look at the river
look at the uplands what's
happened to the species.
We've had. Gross what he called
her the OK thank you.
>> Bringing this
item back to the commission
I
Mister Parrish is asking that
we proceed with the motion
they proceeded with advertising
the trance level up public
hearing process.
Whether or not you want to
include some of the things we
talk about them that I believe
Mister Pierce indicated he was
going to include some things
that we talked about in
may not. But I
think it's important that we
authorize the transmittal of
everyone's comments as a part
of whatever is sent on the
council so that they see the
benefit
of our discussion and seeing
the benefit of a what we
recommend so. At this stage do
we have a motion.
Would you like to be recognized
for a motion this place, okay
percent.
>> I recommend that we look.
Forward and
transmitting the existing
documents as we have it
including the comments that
were discussed tonight.
That are to be incorporated to
City Council for the next step
in this process.
>> We have a second to the
motion. Second.
Do we have any discussions on
on the motion.
>> One small
item At the last meeting.
I think what's normal for last.
Commissioner Noah Copeland made
that
statement I wholeheartedly
agree with refrain from using
tiny homes. The kind of chose
okay. But you accept that
his amendment.
Any further discussion on the
motion. Roll call please.
Member parish.
Morneau elk open.
Chairman Richardson, yes
chairman Sievers.
I want to apologize to the
commission for taking so much
time. Unfortunately or
fortunately I as you can see
I've reviewed these things like
others like to review them
thoroughly and obviously have
some ideas or
as I've indicated Mister Peres
is the probably the 4th
comprehensive and I've been
involved in the different This
time so. Appreciate your
no new business petitions
requests from the public
presence. Anyone petitioner
requests from the public
president.
>> I'm very Pete something I
said just a minute ago and that
3 there's 3 things that are of
concern I mean the number one
is a
city mistakes. It's it is miss
honesty. Number 2 is open
discussion lack of open
discussion I will say this is
throughout the country for
example Vietnam War or you can
talk about that you can't talk
about Mila
number 3, the need for input
of a professional engineer for
the city's stuff.
so I sent you on August 30th
and email Joyce didn't receive
of everybody
else did. I believe it's number
one in undeniable
proof of city's 30 year
deliberate ripoff of homeowners
and property owners of the
bigger subdivision this is a
serious issue. So what goes on
to detail, this is one through
18 is that
what happened and so forth for
example in 1985 city of
information calculations so
forth approved that bigger
subdivision is is erroneous Lee
shown the flood zone elevation
strong thank 89 city went
ahead.
Football folk fun, I have
had no. No regard whatsoever
for the 1985 information fact
this they have no in from they
have no calculation to submit
to that that was submitted to
FEMA to justify the ovation
they established.
1992 city. Attorney Richard Lim
K a.
The calculation is still
calculations so show that.
They're the elevation is
Raul city does nothing about
1997 foot study by both spoke
issue in Jernigan says it's all
wrong. You need to go ahead and
submit seem sort of city do you
don't sit make FIA we'll tell
the property owners. 2010.
Engineer says hey this is ready
to be submitted to FEMA to
change the flood zone ovation
city the last ditch that's our
of.
What are your ice and so forth
John Stauffer so it was caught
very dishonest by the city to
do that and so that it wasn't
until 2016. Under duress
Mark Ryan
that Mister I submitted to
FEMA, said you got to do it.
So we hired some by 2016.
We had for 40 homes and the
neighborhood changed
his story flood. So what I'm
saying is this is nonsense of
dishonesty bar city staff and
there was a marriage made.
People
weren't known or contact the
city as for the information
said didn't exist.
this is something that I want
you to understand so could a
summary conclusions of that I'm
here to.
>> We see questions of spoke
for me I have 2 more homes.
I think it's important. There
we have a motion.
I go I moved to give Mister
Johnson 2 more minutes you do
have a second to the motion.
>> We have a second to the
motion second they have a
second.
All those in favor please say
yes, yes, you know, those
opposed no.
Let's have a roll call I can't
tell for sure.
Secretary spy now.
Chairman Richardson have.
Number no Al Copeland.
That's a 4, 3,
You got 2 more minutes are okay
thank you thank you.
>> This is The city isn't big
truck. so I sent to this this
e-mail of sirte if and I want
to get it to joy his parents
also
the city has and that's that's
city.
City a mayor and our city
manager have this wild and
crazy story. I'm changing the
subject a little bit because I
see that was a 4 to 3 the city
paid 70 $1000 for an
independent engineering.
Review of my core fonts from
2012 to 2019.
Unfortunately there's no
there's no truth to this and
this has been going on for over
18 months. Which is kind
of laughable.
Is we have
our city government saying that
they have this document.
It says that I'm an incompetent
engineer.
And all everybody
knows everybody is involved
this in other words all these
council members, they know they
don't they don't have another I
give them the envelope
self-addressed made this
to just and give me a copy of
this document that doesn't
exist and there are no invoice.
There's no contract ago
to the engineering company to
talk to him about they said
they never did.
Top leaders of our government.
I'm going to hold City Council
so for so I
want you to understand try to
understand what's going on
especially for for Mister
Richardson who are talked to at
a luncheon before about this so
he certainly doesn't want me to
speak about that's what appears
to make so yeah Muti want
to tell if you want me to tell
people that I heard it 6 times
at least.
>> And so you that so get your
arms up thank you thank you.
>> All right the next item on
the agenda is a summary
of that action 8 to 25 to
one K informational only member
of. Planning and zoning
Commission have any comments or
questions about it.
River Murray did you you look
like you were getting ready.
>> Had to get my glasses.
I did have one.
Comment regard the City Council
summer report and had more to
do with what actually occurred
in the City Council meeting.
One of the concerns I have is
the method in which information
has passed between us and the
City Council.
I think it sometimes
only have 200 some pages to
read and in their case video
to watch. So wanted to make a
recommendation that we ask.
At the City Council meetings
oceans or read verbatim.
In the case of that meeting it
was not that case. I was
concerning to me.
One of the things that also
concerns me when it goes the
City Council is when we at
additions on and I'm wondering
if we can potentially start
looking
at things and stating that
we're passing something forward
with concerns.
I went back and watched 10 City
Council meetings and very
rarely do
those conditions forward and
I'm trying to figure out a
better way to come up with a
dialogue or
at least make him aware of the
concern which we're trying to
address us forces the
conditions just going away.
Like I said it
would be great if the motion
was verbatim because I think it
makes a big difference versus
what was said the other night
in regard to land.
>> OK anyone
else have comment. I I don't
know whether you want to make
others a motion or not.
>> It's not like you did, but
I'm not sure I'm just kind of
stumped.
>> And how best to handle I had
some great I like and how the
information
that it if this meeting has
taken to another meeting and
then inform patients pass the
City Council and.
Keeping this in mind we have
the real clear and concise
other promotions.
But I don't know if that's a
motion that we make it to
safety.
How that occurs it just was a
little disconcerting and to me
to watch it not be.
To watch to be open to
interpretation.
>> I think that's been a
concern of us for. Last several
years.
Chelsea has made it made this
state exactly.
The motion if we voted against
the motion to make it clear.
Back in
the 80's.
When Truman scholar role as
mayor. Mister chairman the
plate PNC back then.
Had 10 every Council meeting.
Why we voted that way.
That was before e-mail things
like that.
Not
necessarily the fault but
problem is.
Between our meetings in Council
meetings. Or passes.
Who represents the INS ease.
Opinion it Council meetings.
A lot of the conditions she
says are not necessary.
From Council's action.
Communications problem.
>> And going back to this it's
a communication issue I just
want to clarify again and I've
said that before
you all always see vote
against some think if it is not
supported by ordinance and
code.
And so my concern is is that
when it's not supported by
ordinance and code them, adding
conditions on and I wonder
if what better suited
expressing concerns that then
they can make it
very educated decision watching
the low impact development, the
other night I was very
concerned about how that went
for us is if we had stated here
are 10 concerns about this.
And then it's a
dialogue vs having conditions
that we I have attached that
answer ordered by the law just
tossed.
I'm just trying to figure out
the best way
to him improved communications
and I got to tell you there are
meetings going to be next
Tuesday and the amount of
information that's going to
come out of this meeting.
And interpreted and
video is a lot to get through
between now and next Tuesday.
I have to admit sometimes that
kind of scam.
That bold statement that says
this is perfect don't let the
motion us and here are 10
concerns. I believe may be more
effective. The
any conditions maybe there's a
legality adding conditions, I'm
not quite sure and remember
this is Wednesday.
>> Goes in the council's has
dimmed by this Friday.
Council agenda is usually 7 to
900 pages.
>> Great ending its
a I take a peek the staff and
impressed with
this group here the stuff that
goes before the council this is
that.
>> Me doing anything more than
saying as and MS. Observer is
there a way that we could do
this a little more efficiently.
>> This issue has been talked a
lot about.
Over the
and that is better
the commission's positions in
before the City Council.
Mister Parrish
and I've talked about that at
one stage I recommend and maybe
we have a.
Shows side so we can really
talk about it this year if we
can come up with some concept,
a recommendation how to proceed
from here.
Because you're Very few
historically very few
of our conditions that we
recommend and many many many.
>> Are
based upon code provisions are
based upon what we feel
deficiencies in the plan were
reviewing. We fill up our
appropriate.
they are not recommended earner
accepted.
So how can we better
communicate, I
would suggest perhaps of staff
to schedule some time if the
next meeting a pick to be on
that agenda.
>> Find depending upon the the
volume
>> of
materials on on the fact is
that acceptable with the
commission we set aside some
time that have a discussion
about how to communicate better
or positions or perhaps we can
have a 5 o'clock meeting to
discuss this. I'm flexible
whatever you want to do.
>> I just think it's really an
important thing for us to kind
of come up with a plan because
it is a lot of people are doing
a
great job, but some place
reading some things in
translation that are.
And again so often I'm a no
vote and that's an easy thing
for them to see that's a no
vote. But again. Why
we're adding conditions worse
is expressing concerns the
other night of a list of 5
concerns have been there I
think they could have been
taken those concerns and had a
dialogue avance themselves.
Something's got a little bit
lost in what no impact
development why.
Concerns may have helped move
that forward a little bit
better.
I would love to see a focus on
that communication link so that
we're doing a better job.
>> Brad you know what the next
agenda might look like that.
>> So far you have to public
hearing items.
>> You have a preference rather
to 5 o'clock or towards the end
of those public
hearings on those are what the
reference of
the commission.
>> I think this I would prefer
a workshop with this I I think
that MS. Murray
suggestion was is excellent
because we've talked about this
for an entire year. The
translation.
The only thing that concerns me
is that it's not paeans ease.
Her view to dictate to Council.
But the presentation.
>> it we seem to have a
suggestion that workshop at 5
o'clock. Is that acceptable
with everyone.
We don't hear any nice '05
o'clock.
>> Any other comments or
concerns concerning the.
August 25th Council meeting.
>> Not hearing any moving to
reports.
>> Just want to tell you that
we have.
An influx of new applications
coming in.
Thus covid crisis is not
slowing things down by any
new
small-scale movements got a
comprehensive plan amendment
coming towards you got to cut
distance Cup a few conditions
permit coming towards
you soon. We are planning staff
is involved and site plan
review as well now to sew and
permits review so we are.
Whatever your income you don't
know what.
What you're hearing. But it's
just not reality. I think we're
just very busy right now in
addition to that we also have
several Jordan says that the
City Council has asked us to go
ahead and go forward with.
So we're you're going to see a
quite a few new trash come
before you. They're related to
parking location. 20 homes to
get a bring that back to you
soon as possible I appreciated
his comments on that.
I was a long list
of words is that we have right
now I do want to mention one
at the last meeting there was
some some comments that room
made about staff would
recognize us about the L I d I
have to tell you that at least.
When we were tasked to
come up with the policies and
the adopted coverage plan a
deals with the peril flood.
That was when the state asked
us come up you need to come up
with with
well ID and I realized that the
city never probably had always
an intention of coming up with
some look at the moment
standards but I think is really
the state that that force for
here because they said that we
have to address sea level rise,
somewhere.
We didn't know what
we're getting into the audience
to all of us the staff try to
figure out was the best way to
go for this. Still allow
development competitively
commits other communities
because some.
You put too
much regulation. Requirements
you might drop the weight of
all of that her economic
development, your city, I'll
true that is.
We evaluate we reviewed it and
then we found an opportunity to
get a grant to do the
resiliency strategic analysis
to help figure out how to
implement those conference
play policies. We did a
vulnerability analysis that
look at our
entire city see how sea level
rise over the next few decades
is going to impact us and that
was a real learning her for all
of us, especially the staff.
And that helped us.
The research we did about lower
part of old. But the approach
that we can't we have a a
a small city staff committee
basically working on this past
year. After we did we finally
got the facility to see
the play the proof and we moved
on Fort with the low impact
development and standards that
we were came up with as
a dry after you see what
started the conversations we do
not advertise that public
hearing want to see at what the
how you know
is it acceptable or much can
the committee of the community
swallows far as regulation or
are they okay which
is being insect and so I
comment about us.
Dragging their feet on I don't
know how true that is as far as
past past couple years or staff
has been
doubling down try to get that
issue brought before you soon
as possible in addition to many
other ordinances.
Appreciate his comments on that
I know councils
recommendation is acceptable to
everybody but we are going to
go for what City Council had
recommended and we are working
on census. I think will make
sense to present them to you as
soon as that's all I want to
say.
>> This first because I'm
for went to the suggest that we
needed to move forward on.
Low
2018 when
they reviewed transmittal
that's what I thought 2018.
And the other first city staff.
City attorney.
>> I just want to inform the
commission that there is a
vacancy the alternate Kerry has
submitted his resignation on
going to Council their next
meeting.
>> Chairperson I have the
questions.
Because I don't know whether
it's
been addressed.
>> As to what is the protocol
of the city.
If a as staff and
him certainly I recognize
confidentiality of medical
information.
with regard to the virus covid
bars. If a member
of staff.
>> Who we played board or
commission is dealing with or a
member of this commission.
>> Contracts that. What is the
protocol.
Of the city with regard to.
Notifying anybody.
Is soon the city must have an
adopted policy or procedure
that addresses this.
>> We're following all CDC
guidelines of anyone becomes
aware that they're infected
than they're directed to
isolate and quarantine and.
>> State.
>> Away from others until they
test negative. That's the
across the board policy that.
And so as far as board members
participation I would assume
that would be the
same policy and as far as
absences and excuses just like
any other scenario. A board
member were to miss 3 in a row,
they would need to so notify
the council and ask for a
waiver of that experience.
>> I hear a lot about contract
tracing and if someone's
sitting next to me.
Unfortunately has it or if I
have it.
Is there
any policy dealing with that
the person sitting next to me
is notified.
>> And in more aware of any in
the state of Florida and a that
exist, but I don't know that
there's a policy that requires
that.
>> Yeah they all talk about
contract tracing and that ah
that's
very important we all hear the
news you can have it and
not realize is it then that
sent them says show up later.
Because you
have many situations and all
use myself as an example
my health might be compromised
to some degree but
if you if you and your family
you have child
that's being is expected and
has severe medical issues.
It would
be nice. If as a courtesy
matter we're told.
So I wouldn't visit.
Mother who's a pregnant or to
be pregnant as such because
and I no one has told us you're
the city's protocol on this.
Maybe other commissioners don't
feel the same way. But if I
had it. It was near Joe I would
feel obligated to talent.
>> I think that the city has
taken on that that is a
personal decision because it is
protected health information
it's a hip.
>> I understand, but if it's
disclosed to the Senate.
>> And you have fellow board
members.
I just think the city needs to
think this through and think
about it as so that and maybe
no one feels the same way I
did. But I think it's important
that.
Our fellow man we protect one
another.
If unfortunately I hope this
whole thing goes away.
And we don't have to worry
about than you hear that you
that well flu season comes it's
going to be worse. I just feel
as though.
We should be aware of what the
protocol is.
It is a part helping serve the
city. Is anyone
>> I can't speak out in public
school system with 24 I've
known almost 90 people in front
of me every day so I. I'm
feeling okay today.
And we have the. And we have
a specific policy and protocol
it goes under Bush hippa and
the CDC.
Regulations that we saw it but
I will tell you it's full of
secrets.
Because of the hippa
regulations and we are coding
children in a very end.
UB to sway.
That doesn't tell you anything.
>> It certainly check to see if
we have whatever policy we have
available and make it available
if we if we are able to
Richardson that you have
I miss the just want to make
another coming up at something
this okay.
First that you have something
in mind OK Mister Richardson
here
>> we need to rely as its
members of this commission.
Both is regular an option.
If you missed 3 consecutive
meetings. It's up to the
chairman. To advise the
council.
The staff were its heart.
But probably the hardest work
and I think it's Lori.
She advises us of Avery
meeting.
And then she
calls us or since email again
to make sure we will be there.
If you miss 3 meetings in a
row.
You forfeit your seat on this
commission that's what happened
in Tuesday's meeting. To say
that.
The person didn't get notice,
it's not true.
We just got to remember.
We're going to be sick.
Advice of staff.
Or if it's certain you can
always.
Call Mister Sievers you can
call me our numbers are in.
But look if there is some home
cooking more.
That's not a violation of the
sun shall to tell us. I can't
be there for
this reason you don't have to
tell us for that reason.
But I can't be there. Exactly
what he was supposed to do.
But he took some flak.
And that that was important.
OTC as well as code
enforcement. There's a
spreadsheet.
Of who was there who was not
there.
And I brought that up to about
6 or 12 months ago.
Perhaps we need to do the same
thing.
Through a spreadsheet.
If I was absent for one
meeting.
It along exactly what I was
here when they had to be yes.
If we missed 3 consecutive
meetings we forfeit their seat
on here.
Second thing I love the thing
will ask about is it the last
meeting I brought that the
dairy road thing.
They were having a neighborhood
meeting.
suggested that
they were having a neighborhood
meeting involved in their euro
project at let's see them.
That is not a neighborhood
meeting.
It violates the spirit.
The neighborhood meeting they
had the meeting it, let's say
that.
>> We spoke with the applicants
application for that
they said that they help that
they did have to be there at
the listed location and the
reason is because they tried
getting something nearby they
tried Council chambers that
the churches nearby
they're at they mention one
other location as well as we're
able to secure a chain of lakes
has to be.
All
>> the only question I have is
how the report we all receive
the video for the treaty.
Meeting
that happened the other day
will that be a presentation to
us or is that what we should
be.
It was a 2 hour video but I
regret to the great
job service. He was interesting
But I didn't know what the next
step was.
>> Well that it had I think
staff so it will. Are we this
far as
the ordinance we are working on
that every waiting on a meeting
like this at this point because
we're waiting on. Final
draft or ideas
that the the uh community for
the is going to come up with
that we received a couple
reports from a couple
people who to that meeting and
gave us their take on what
happened so.
>> I know eventually that
ordinance is going to have to
come back to you. And for
clarification because.
>> But the e-mail that I
received from less sand on.
Basically stated the
recommendation was to move
forward with the T e C. Tree
ordinance.
Based on that conversation the
2 conversation that had
happened.
So I didn't quite know if that
was their recommendation coming
forward fear.
>> Her or if we're waiting on
something else. I really should
we be contacting someone.
Gets funny with sunshine law
who can't.
>> You can certainly speak with
these with those people I
that's what I really impacts
you and everybody else in this
commission. I think the.
What you receive from us a
dog's
what perspective. I don't know
that represents everybody of
the committee are in that
group. We're still receiving
input from the
L a he is
working hard to try to
communicate with the body to
get all their ideas figure out
what was the next step. You
know, I don't know if this is
going to be again as we did
last time.
Stats version versus the
group's for tonight, it is the
group's first probably better I
ultimately this is the city
Council's
the weather. Whatever
recommendation comes out of
this group this commission or
anybody else. They might not
accept. One version that.
They may want
to see some words I don't know
that's a good soon as I find
out more information certainly
has a daughter.
>> Okay in the other business
coming before the play is on a
mission not committees adjourn.
