I mean,
you're very complimentary to Trevor.
You say he elevated the
show in a way you couldn't,
but you really think that's true.
I mean,
Trevor does a great job,
but I mean,
come on,
you were pretty fucking good at it.
It's not meant as a denigration of me.
I'm not sure.
Feels like it.
I just want to say that,
you know,
I sucked a little bit,
but that guy,
so the evolution of the show
was also about opening our
eyes to some of the realities
of the business that are
around us.
When we started,
it was like pretty much everything in
late night comedy that sort of Harvard
Lampoon school of pasty
white guys sitting in a room
making very clever
remarks.
Evolving the show past that
took a really long time.
It was a lot of work.
And oftentimes it came
with defensiveness and,
you know,
even socioeconomically,
you know,
the,
the radio and television
business is run by,
uh,
rich people from Westchester.
And the reason that it is,
is because when you hire
people in this business,
you generally hire from the interns
that you formerly had on the show.
But any intern that could afford
to take three months off from
college and spend that time,
polishing your grapes,
he's going to come from
a wealthy background.
You're right.
So all the people you were hiring
were all socioeconomically at a very
high level.
So it took us a long time to
fix a lot of those tributaries.
So by paying the interns,
suddenly you're getting a
much more diverse group of
people that are coming in.
And then those people,
as you get to know them,
they get hired.
And now you're starting to bring them in.
We started a veterans immersion program
and we start finding these great
veterans to hire for the show.
What we did before was
diversity for diversity's sake,
it was,
we don't have enough women
writers let's hire a woman.
We don't have an,
a black writer let's hire a black person.
But what we realized is we
weren't changing a system.
We were just granting access to a club
everybody should have had access to in
the first place.
And it was our fault for not
changing the tributaries.
And also it put those women
and people of color in a very
awkward position because now they feel the
responsibility to represent.
Right!
And so that created tensions
and pressures for them,
but it took 16 years to
change it at a glacial pace,
right?
Because that kind of mindset to
me because I didn't grow up in it.
It's like technology.
Technology to me is an
alien culture that I can do,
but it's not a part of me for
Trevor it's a part of him.
It flows from him naturally.
You don't do it because necessarily
like it's the right thing to do.
It makes it better.
The show is better.
