

### Interview With Jesus:

### How The Human Soul Functions

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Session 1 Parts 1-3

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### This ebook is a transcript of three interviews with Jesus (AJ Miller) that took place in Wilkesdale, Queensland, Australia. Parts 1 and 2 of the interview were conducted by Luli Faber on 1st April 2013 and Part 3 by Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck) on 10th April 2013. In these interviews Jesus discusses how the human soul operates, describing the principles of preclusion, absorption, dominance, progression, resistance, presence and suppression.

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Table of Contents

### How the Human Soul Functions: Session 1 Part 1

1. General introduction

2. Introduction to how the human soul functions

2.1. The half soul requires the physical and spirit bodies for experiencing the universe

2.1.1. Interactions between the soul, spirit body and physical body

2.2. Interactions between the soul, the mind and the brain

2.3. Developing the soul is most powerful because it controls the spiritual and physical bodies

2.4. Attributes of the soul that are contained inside and outside of the soul's mind

2.4.1. The attribute of logic

2.4.2. The attribute of humility

2.4.3. The attribute of love

2.5. Limitations of the mind

2.6. It is not possible to live in the mind without any feelings

2.7. The mind is subordinate to the soul

2.8. The importance of understanding the soul

2.9. The half soul requires the spirit body's mind for full expression and functioning

2.10. Developing the soul and becoming soul-dominant

2.11. Summary of the introduction

3. What is preclusion?

3.1. Preclusion refers to a current state or condition of the soul

3.2. An example of the truth of loving our neighbour

3.3. An example of the truth that we are the pinnacle of God's Creation and the error of drinking alcohol

3.4. An example of the error of wanting to be violent precluding the truth that violence is not loving

3.5. An example of hearing vs. experiencing truth

3.6. An example of the error of wanting to be violent precluding the truth that violence is not loving (continued)

3.7. Summary of preclusion

4. What is absorption?

4.1. Absorption refers to a process of change within the soul

4.2. An example of a child absorbing truth and error

4.3. Absorption of truth is the emotional experiencing of truth

4.4. An example of a child absorbing truth and error (continued)

4.5. An example of the stages involved in releasing error and absorbing truth about parental violence

4.6. An example of absorbing the truth about the Law of Attraction

4.7. Embracing the process of releasing truth and absorbing error

4.8. An example of the error that violence can be justified preventing the absorption of the truth that violence is not loving

4.9. Absorbing new truths is more rapid when we receive Divine Love

4.10. Summary of absorption

4.11. An example of a child absorbing truth and error (continued)

4.12. Summary of absorption (continued)

4.13. Releasing truth and absorbing error for an adult

4.13.1. An example of believing in God

4.14. The difficulty of understanding soul truths with the mind

4.15. Identifying soul progress vs. regression

4.15.1. An example of the interviewer drinking alcohol

4.16. Changes in our soul rather than changes in our actions are required for soul growth

4.16.1. An example of drinking alcohol

4.16.2. An example of eating vegan

4.16.3. An example of our relationship with God

### How the Human Soul Functions: Session 1 Part 2

5. What is dominance?

5.1. Spirits on the Natural Love Path have to develop their soul to grow in love

5.2. An example of the error that violence is justified in the soul being dominant over the truth that violence is unloving in the mind

5.3. An example of speaking the truth

5.4. The importance of understanding dominance for soul progression

5.4.1. An analogy of maintaining a house

5.5. Summary of dominance

5.6. The beauty of God's design of the soul

6. What is progression?

6.1. Progression involves the experience of pain and pleasure

6.2. Experiencing joy as we learn new truths

6.2.1. An example of learning the truth that violence is never loving

6.2.2. Reasons for not experiencing more joy on the Divine Love Path

6.3. Progression is an emotional process designed by God

6.4. An example of progressing by releasing the error that violence is justified and absorbing the truth that violence is never loving

7. What is resistance?

7.1. Resistance is emotional

7.2. Resistance results from using our will out of harmony with the soul's design

7.2.1. Resistance can be understandable in children

7.3. Resistance is emotional (continued)

7.4. Resistance is futile

7.5. Discovering the reasons for our resistance

7.6. God designed the soul to grow

7.7. An example of resistance to releasing the error that violence is justified

7.8. Discovering the reasons for our resistance (continued)

7.9. The importance of understanding resistance

7.10. Resistance is emotional (continued)

7.10.1. An example of speaking the truth

7.11. Emotional resistance prevents truth from entering

7.11.1. An example of the interviewer's neighbour

7.11.2. An example of seminars that AJ delivers

7.11.3. An example of the interviewer's neighbour (continued)

7.11.4. Gaining the ability to feel areas of resistance in others

8. What is presence?

8.1. The importance of love being present when truth is spoken

8.1.1. An example of AJ's seminars

8.2. Conditions under which truth can be delivered lovingly

8.2.1. Conveying truths that have already been personally absorbed

8.3. Conditions under which truth is delivered unlovingly

8.3.1. An example of the interviewer's lack of self-love

8.3.2. Not being able to explain the truth logically or in detail

8.4. Conveying truths that are partially understood

9. Closing words

### How the Human Soul Functions: Session 1 Part 3

10. Introduction

11. What is suppression?

11.1. An example of how suppressing fears affects the soul

11.2. How having no suppression affects the soul

11.3. Suppressing painful experiences also suppresses pleasurable experiences

11.3.1. An example of women's sexual pleasure

11.3.2. Suppressing the soul also suppresses bodily sensations

11.4. An example of suppressing pleasurable emotions

11.4.1. An example of suppressing love and sexual pleasure

11.5. Suppression of any emotion will affect the full experience of all other emotions

11.5.1. An example of childhood sexual trauma

11.6. Alleviating the suppression of, but not acting upon, unloving desires

11.7. An example of suppressing emotions during the course of a working day

11.8. Negative effects of suppressing emotion over a lifetime

11.9. Beneficial effects of ceasing suppression of an emotion

11.10. Depression results from suppression

11.10.1. Suppression encourages negative spirit influence

12. Closing words

Appendix: Interview Outline

How the Human Soul Functions: Session 1 Part 1

1. General introduction

Welcome today to a discussion. I have invited Luli Faber along to join me with, and the discussion is about how the human soul operates. The main reason why I wanted to have this discussion with somebody was because we get many questions about the soul and how the human soul operates, but many of these questions are based around assumptions about the soul itself that are false. And there is often confusion between the mind and the soul and there's also confusion about what constitutes the soul compared to the mind. And so during this discussion we're going to talk primarily about how the soul itself operates in comparison to how the mind operates. That's why we're having the discussion.

Once we have this discussion we have then the ability to refer to this discussion when we're answering questions about the human soul and in the FAQ channel there will eventually be many, many questions that we want to answer about the human soul. But most of the questions will be answered by referring to some of these principles that we're discussing in this discussion that I'm having with Luli. So thank you Luli for coming along and joining me with the discussion.

Interviewer: Pleasure.

And like I said to you off camera, feel free to ask any questions as we go along and also any points of clarification that you want to make. And I've really just asked Luli to come along to keep me in line today, so (laughs) if you can keep me in line today that would be great as well. (Laughs)

2. Introduction to how the human soul functions

So let's just talk about the human soul in comparison to the spirit body's organs and the physical body's organs initially.

2.1. The half soul requires the physical and spirit bodies for experiencing the universe

When God created the human soul, He knew at some point, due to its creation, that He would separate the two halves of the soul and have an incarnation process where they could become individualised. And as a result of that, He created all of these sensory apparatus in each half of the soul, that when the two halves of the soul split apart the sensory apparatus in one half of the soul has to connect to something and the sensory apparatus in the other half of the soul has to connect to something in order to experience the universe around it. And God created this wonderful process where a human couple who love each other make love with each other, create two bodies, the spirit body and the material body; and the half of the soul, the sensory apparatus, can now connect to those bodies through these cords and therefore experience the universe, firstly by experiencing the physical universe and then by experiencing the spiritual universe.

And so the physical body has organs of its own. We have the organs of sight, hearing, all the sensory apparatus plus a brain and all the internal organs. They are all used by the physical body in order to maintain itself while it's alive. And the spirit body also has a whole group of similar organs. It has a heart, it has a mind, it has the sense of sight and other senses, and in fact it has an even greater amount of senses than the physical body has. And so we have these two bodies, which are basically like organisms, or you can almost think of them as robots that the half of a soul, the one half that split away from the soul in the union state in its un-incarnated state, can now experience the universe through, until it reaches the union state again in a conscious manner. [00:04:06.25]

Now for all of that to occur we must start to understand what we're developing if we're actually growing in love, what part of ourselves we're developing. So we're obviously not developing the physical body as the primary point of development and we're also not developing the spirit body as the primary point of development. We're developing the soul and so therefore we need to understand how the soul works, we need to understand how it's organised.

And we also need to understand that our physical body and our physical body brain is actually being exercised by something behind it, through this silver cord that connects our physical body with our spirit body. And then our spirit body's brain and all of its other organs are also being influenced by something behind it, the soul of the individual, and it's the half of the soul of the individual because it's yet to be into a completed union state.

Now if we remember that in this discussion then that will help us greatly in terms of determining what the soul is and what the spirit body's mind is and what the physical body's brain is in particular. Because a lot of the questions we receive are a lot about - if I exercise my mind in this direction how does that relate to my soul? And is my soul developed if I've developed my mind? And there are all these ideas or concepts that people have that you can make your mind be more loving, when that's actually a physical impossibility. There are all these basic concepts of misunderstandings that I feel cause people's questions that we would really like to iron out, and the way we can iron them out is by discussing how the soul works, how the spirit body works and how the physical body works to a degree, and how they all fit together to become our conscious existence, firstly in the physical world and then in the spirit world.

So if we refer firstly to this physical body of which you've done a lot of work on the brain and so forth, you can see in science that generally there's a lot of emphasis on the brain and its ability to control all of the functions of the physical body. What have you found in that process? [00:06:28.24]

Interviewer: There's just a complete mystery as to how it manifests the mind. Everyone thinks that somehow a bunch of nerve cells going off can create thoughts and ideas and beliefs.

And personality.

Interviewer: And personality and free will and all these things but no one has the foggiest. There's not even a theory, there's just no idea.

No idea about how it works and so what we need to do is talk about perhaps a bit about how it actually does work so that people can understand.

2.1.1. Interactions between the soul, spirit body and physical body

So firstly we've got our physical body and let's focus on our mind because that's where a lot of our thought obviously seems to take place, if we could say. But the reality is, as you know from working with the brain, that a part of the brain can die and then you would think if that part of the brain had died then the thoughts associated with that part of the brain would also be dead. But there have been occasions where a person has gone through some kind of recovery process after a stroke for example, and then all of a sudden they get back the memories that you thought they lost. And that's pretty obvious then that that part of the brain didn't contain the memories that they lost, it was a temporary loss for some reason.

Interviewer: They explain it as that it's some kind of diffused network of information and they just source it from another bit of the network.

Exactly. Then there's also the issues that you would have heard about too where people have lost their sense of sight and then all of a sudden through some medical operation or whatever regained their sense of sight. So these kinds of instances show that if the physical body loses a sense of some kind it doesn't necessarily mean that the person behind the physical body has lost that sense at all. What it means is that the physical body is unable to manifest it, is unable to actually have an outward manifestation of what the capability is anymore because of the loss of the sense of the physical body.

So the physical body has senses of its own that obviously are connected to something behind it, and that's our spirit body. So our spirit body has a sense of sight, our spirit body has a brain and it exercises through this silver cord connection that we've talked about before, all of the senses of the physical form. And so that means that if a certain sense that is in the physical form dies for whatever reason, if we haven't cared for it, or we've had an accident or for some other reason, then we haven't lost the memories or lost the capacity to see, in the case of the sight if it's the sight, the capacity to hear if it's the case of the hearing sensation and other capacities; we haven't lost those capacities we've just lost the ability to control them in the physical body, that's the only thing we've lost. And all of those capacities still exist in the spirit form.

Now if we look at the spirit body in reference to the soul is almost identical to that; it's almost identical in operation to the physical body in reference to the spirit body. So the pattern of the spirit body looking after and maintaining the physical body is the same pattern as the soul controlling the spirit body. So behind the spirit body is this organ, let's call it the real us, the real person, the real individual, that has all these organs that control through a cord, a series of energetic connections with the spirit body and control its brain and control its operation of all of its important internal functioning, and also controls its ability to emanate those particular things to actually do something with those particular things and make choices and decisions and live in the spirit world.

And the half of the soul needs the spirit body in order to connect with the spirit world. If it didn't have the spirit body it would have a limited sensory ability to connect with the spirit world. Just like if we don't have a physical body, we have a limited sensory ability to connect with the physical world. It's not that obvious to a spirit anymore that they're living in that world whereas when we've connected to a physical body on Earth it's very obvious that we're connected to a physical body and physical things, and the reason why we need these bodies in order to grow.

They're really like an educational system. The physical body being the educational system for our soul to learn the surroundings in our physical universe, the spirit body being the educational system that our soul uses to connect to the spirit universe and then of course we can grow to even beyond that point where we no longer need any body. And I don't mean we no longer need anybody (laughs), in terms of other people; we don't need any body, physical or material, in order to express ourselves, and in fact we have the ability to create many bodies in that state. [00:11:40.19]

2.2. Interactions between the soul, the mind and the brain

So if we examine all of that and we talk about the mind, which is the main thing that most people believe is the real person, the personality of the individual, and we talk about the soul, which is the real thing that is the personality of the individual person, and we start to compare where those things are and what happens to them, then we'll have a far greater understanding of what we mean when we talk about soul development and particularly developing our soul to grow in love.

So if we focus on the mind and the brain and the spirit and the soul as well in terms of how they all are influenced by each other. This brain only controls the physiological functions of the body in which it is encased. It doesn't control the thought processes or the personality or the emotions of the individual. They can be expressed through the brain of course because that's the reason and purpose for the brain - to express what is behind it, what is at the back of it, but all of those things are usually felt for most people with their spirit form, their spirit body.

So they have a mind in their spirit body, which is really like the brain of the physical body, and most of their memories and most of their thoughts are stored in this mind of the spirit body. Therefore as soon as they pass into the spirit world, nothing is really changed. They can remember everything and usually they can remember even more than they could remember using their brain of the physical body because their brain was an encumbrance in many cases by the time you pass it's a bit decayed and older and not able to be used very well, but your spirit body's mind and brain is able to be used a lot more with a lot more functionality. And therefore you can have a larger speed of gathering information, a larger speed of absorption of information by that brain and so forth and gathering more facts about the universe.

But behind that is the soul, which has the real mind, and the mind of the soul is just an organ of the soul. It's just a small portion of the soul. It's where in the end all potential logical functioning can occur, but for most people who live that's not the case, because what happens is they suppress their soul so much that the mind of the soul is not functioning. Instead they use the mind of their spirit body in order to determine the truth or in order to determine anything in fact about what they wish to do with their life, their personality, their nature and all these other things are often a part of that but not yet a part of their soul. [00:14:34.10]

And so what I feel most people don't realise is that when they're using their mind they're just using another brain, not the physical one but their spirit body's brain and they're using it without any reference to the soul, which is a very dangerous thing to do actually because it's also very illogical to do.

So that's the main relationship with the soul. Eventually when we're at-one with God, the soul has its own mind and in fact the mind of the spirit body, the brain of the spirit body, just becomes a tool that the mind of the soul exercises to express itself. Just like the physical body's brain is just a tool that the spirit body's mind uses to express itself. So there's this relationship between the three organs if you like.

Interviewer: But it's possible while you're in the physical form to have the soul mind completely dominant...

Yes.

Interviewer: ... and the spirit mind completely just passive?

Yes. Yes and that was the transition I went through in the first century before I became at-one with God in the seventh dimension. You go through this transition, and in this transition basically what happens is the mind of your spirit body sort of becomes absorbed by the mind of the soul. In other words the mind of the soul dominates it now completely.

And so what we need to understand is the actual mind, which is really the mind of the soul, is actually just a small portion of the soul itself. It's not the soul itself, it's just a portion of the soul; you could call it an organ of the soul. So just like we have an arm or a leg or a kidney or a liver or a brain, which is our organ of our whole body, the whole soul has many organs. But the organs of the soul are not of the same nature, of course, of our spirit form or our physical form, but there is what you would classify as different processes that occur within inside of the soul that by themselves cannot independently operate without the complete soul. Just like we have in our body, physically independent organs in our body that cannot operate without the body itself. They need the body in order to function. [00:17:00.10]

2.3. Developing the soul is most powerful because it controls the spiritual and physical bodies

It's the same with the mind of the soul. The mind of the soul needs so many other things in the soul to be functioning in order for the mind of the soul to be functioning. Therefore it needs development of the soul in order to function. Whereas the brain of the spirit body, which is the mind that most people use and the brain of the material body, which is the physiological brain that we use to operate in this physical world, those two things don't require much development in order to function. In fact the physical body requires no development in terms of spiritual development in order to function, that's why God created it that way so that we would be automatically functioning in the physical world.

The spirit body though does require a certain amount of spirit development in order to function in the spirit world and the reason why is so that we develop in the spirit world and grow in the spirit world. So it does require a certain amount of spiritual knowledge and development before a person will actually grow in their spirit form in the spirit world.

But the soul needs to and can grow by itself individually and affects both bodies no matter where we are. It is independent of the physical world and independent of the spirit world and so therefore has the greatest capacity for our interaction with all worlds, and I feel that's one of the things that most people are not aware of. They develop either their mind or they develop themselves physically. [00:18:42.22]

So for example a person developing themself physically might go to the local gym, and then they might read some books and get a heap of knowledge as well and that is also developing them spiritually partially. Whereas when they just go the gym and pump iron most of the time, or go running or whatever, that's developing physically. As soon as they start picking up something that requires the engagement of their brain and therefore the engagement of their spirit body's mind, they're now starting to develop their spirit body as well; their spirit body's brain and also the body as a subsequent result gets developed through that process. And so now they're developing more than just their physical form.

And then once you start developing this whole area of emotions and feelings and sensations and deeply emotional things, you're now developing the soul. The reality is you can develop all three things at the same time obviously, but the soul has the greatest power, and the soul itself affects the functioning of both bodies. So if we have specific emotions in the soul it will affect how the spirit body's mind actually even works and affect the physical body's brain and the whole of the physical body and all of its organs.

This is one of the reasons why we get sick because there's an interruption to how the soul can affect these particular things because of something that's going on in the soul causing an interruption to the flow of energy and the flow of information from the soul to both bodies. So if most people understood that then they'd start working on their soul when it came to sicknesses and diseases rather than working on just their physical body or their spirit body.

So I feel even that would answer a lot of questions for people surrounding diseases and sicknesses and if they've got some kind of terminal disease for example. If they understand that behind their physical body is a spirit body and behind their spirit body is their soul, and inside the soul when there's an interruption emotionally of some kind, it will cause an interruption in both spiritual and physical bodies, which will create the disease. And while that interruption remains in play, the disease will continue to grow. As soon as you reduce the interruption from the soul, the disease will die a natural death and you'll become healthy again. These kinds of things need to be understood by a person who's trying to develop themselves, working out why they're sick and why they grow old and why they die even. It's all about what's going on in the soul. [00:21:27.04]

So I suppose the main thing at this point is that we understand that the soul has organs of its own and one of which of those organs is the mind of the soul. The spirit body has organs of its own which maintain the spirit body and one of the organs is the brain of the spirit body. The physical body has a brain that helps maintain its body and it is just one of the organs of the physical body. And if people realise that the physical body is just like a robot that the soul uses to express itself in the physical world and the spirit body is like the robot the soul uses to express itself in the spirit world then we would start to focus more on soul development rather than development of our mind.

So the mind becomes sort of subservient to all other forms of development, whereas for many people who are on Earth, the mind is the dominant form of development that they engage in. They've absorbed information through their mind and it's their main way of engaging with the world. And what I'm suggesting is that's not the main way the soul engages with the universe.

2.4. Attributes of the soul that are contained inside and outside of the soul's mind

Interviewer: So just a question about the soul's mind. When you list the attributes of the soul - the emotions, the personality and the free will, are they in the soul's mind?

No the soul's mind is a separate attribute of the soul to those things.

2.4.1. The attribute of logic

Interviewer: Because that's where the logic of the soul is.

That's where the logic of the soul is expressed; the soul's mind is the organ in which the logic of the soul is expressed. There are other organs in the soul that express all other different things that are much more powerful than the soul's mind actually. So for example if we look at the organs, the soul has a heart and the heart of the soul expresses the love-based feelings and emotions of the soul and they are far more powerful and far more powerfully expressed than anything the soul's mind is capable of expressing.

So there are organs in the soul that are far more powerful than the mind, which is one organ that exists within the soul. But it is a necessary organ in the soul because it's a necessary organ in terms of it determining logic. If you could liken it to a computer, it is a microprocessor that is the centre of the computer that controls a lot of physiological functions of the soul in the same way, but it's not the dominant thing in the soul. In fact if you've developed your soul it becomes very subordinate, it is completely subordinate to other functionings of the soul.

2.4.2. The attribute of humility

If I can give some other illustrations: so when we develop humility for example, we view that as a quality, but actually it's developed in an organ in the soul itself; humility is a part of the organs that are contained within the soul and it's actually a larger part in the mind of the soul and it also dominates the mind of the soul and how it functions. So in other words the organ of humility, which we express as a quality, actually controls how the mind of the soul works.

This is why humility is such an important quality to develop in your soul because how it controls the mind is, that the mind is unable to accept anything that the soul lacks humility about. Or if we put it another way the soul's mind cannot accept anything about which we are arrogant, in which we believe we know the truth but we have not yet fully discovered it. And you can see why of course because while I'm lacking humility, I am blocked to certain thoughts, to certain concepts. I believe myself to know them already or I believe they are immaterial or I believe that they're not important or I believe that they don't exist. One of those things usually is what I believe when I lack humility and so humility controls the thought processes; I will not accept the thought that humility or my lack of it determines I should not accept.

And so you can see from that regard the mind is completely subordinate to this quality of humility.

Interviewer: And this is both the spirit body's mind and the soul?

Of course because the spirit body's mind is just an expression of what's happening at the soul level anyway. So it will also greatly control what we'll allow ourselves to accept into our spirit body's mind. So we will not allow anything that disagrees with our concepts that exist within the soul with regard to the attitude of humility. So if I don't have humility on all subjects, it is only the subjects that I have humility on that I'll actually receive the truth about. And my mind is only capable of absorbing that truth while I am humble on that subject. As soon as I have a lack of humility on that subject, that's like closing my mind to that particular subject now and my ability to learn more truth on that subject is now highly limited. So in that regard you can see that humility is a much greater quality to develop than intellectual development because it controls intellectual development completely.

2.4.3. The attribute of love

If we have a look at another quality, love. Love is a quality that is understood by the organ of the heart of the soul. It is completely unable to be understood by the organ of the mind of the soul. So when we talk about expressing love, feeling love, acting in harmony with love and all these other different things with regard to love, our mind is completely unable to understand it, particularly (and this is our soul's mind) is completely unable to understand it at all; it's impossible.

Interviewer: Which is why we can't describe it in words, it's impossible.

Exactly, it's impossible. It's impossible to describe effectively in words unless the person has had an emotional inflection of those words in their past. In other words they've had an experience of love in their past to which they can relate those words to. And this is the limitation of our mind; our mind is completely unable to understand feelings. It can express them as thoughts, but it cannot understand them and feel them as feelings and this is one of our severe limitations of our mind, both spirit body and our physical body's brain, but also the mind of the soul is limited in that regard.

The mind of the soul is only able to express logical thought and it is not able to actually feel feelings without the other organs of the soul being involved. So if a person hasn't developed their heart of their soul and they haven't developed their humility, the organ of humility in their soul, then you can see the mind of the soul is going to have a lot of difficulty determining any truth and also a lot of difficulty feeling any happiness and joy and any other emotion.

This is why people do get to the stage in their development on Earth and sometimes in the spirit world where they almost feel devoid of emotion, they almost feel devoid of that kind of understanding because they can't understand it because they've only developed their mind and the organs that understand these other qualities are all undeveloped. They're all lacking development. So humility is lacking development, the heart of the soul is lacking development and so therefore love can't be understood, humility can't be understood, they can only understand intellectual logical reasoning but the intellectual logical reasoning is flawed because it's not taking into account all these other developments that can happen.

2.5. Limitations of the mind

The way God's made the universe is that without the entire soul being developed the mind is incapable of understanding the universe. So that's a major limitation obviously if we're ever going to have to grow, we need to understand that part of our growth is going to be developing these other parts of our soul that are independent of the mind itself. And in fact that actually controls the functioning of the mind itself. So we need to understand that the development of the soul is the most important thing, not the development of the mind. [00:30:50.10]

And the mind has severe limitations in terms of its development. It's only capable of responding to stimuli without analysing very clearly the source of stimuli based on other emotional aspects of the soul or other organs within the soul. So, for example, the mind is often incapable of determining love by itself as a feeling because it's incapable of feeling love. The mind is incapable of accepting information about any subject unless humility is developed. So the mind itself, unless there is the soul that is behind the mind having humility, the mind itself won't absorb any new truth on any subject that the soul does not have humility about.

And so you can see the mind is severely limited in its ability to reason, its ability to absorb truth, its ability to determine what the truths of the universe are and so forth. And while we focus on our mind, we continue to completely limit our abilities.

2.6. It is not possible to live in the mind without any feelings

Interviewer: And it would be a really sad existence to just have your mind and no feelings whatsoever. It would just be like we wouldn't be human anymore, would we?

That's right and it's actually a physical impossibility to have just your mind and no feelings. So every single person who thinks they are focussed on developing their mind and their intellect eventually does have joys and feeling as a result of their development.

So, for example, let's say you're in one of your passions, and one of your passions is finding out about the brain. So the more you find out about the brain, you have some joy come up, which is a feeling of the soul. It's not actually something that happened in your mind. The joy came from a different place within you; it didn't come from the development of your mind. And your engaging your mind and eventually understanding something, that process of feeling that you understand, you know how you go through, "I'm confused, I'm confused... ah now I get it!" You know that feeling (laughs) and once you have that transition of, "I'm confused", into, "I get it", you can feel your soul leap with an emotion. And that's immaterial to the mind, it's not the mind having that sensation now, it's another organ that's been developed within the soul.

So from a practical perspective even the people who feel that they are a hundred percent focussed on the development of their mind are actually developing their soul because they have these different experiences of joy and other emotions that occur through the development of their mind that start developing their soul anyway. So from what I've observed, it's a physical impossibility to not develop your soul in some way. [00:33:33.06]

The key is to engage it in a manner that we're not ignorant, that we have full disclosure of what's going on. For the majority of people, because we don't understand what's really going on, we don't know what we're developing. And in fact the emotions almost seem to be something that you can't develop - you just have them.

Interviewer: They're annoying and... (Laughs)

(Laughs) They're annoying.

Interviewer: ... and someone else's fault.

Well they could be annoying side effects if they're painful and if they're pleasurable they're great - I'll accept those. But either way we sort of still see them as side effects. We don't really see them as the actual things that we can develop that are a part of our soul. We see them as the side effect of following a certain course of action or exercising our will in a certain direction. But the reality is that these are parts of our soul and our soul can be developed so much so that the soul's functioning controls the mind completely. Everything our mind chooses to do and every thought that we ever have is driven totally by the other parts or the other organs that exist within the soul.

2.7. The mind is subordinate to the soul

So I feel as an introduction, the key thing for people to remember is that God designed the soul to have a mind but the mind is not the soul, the mind is an organ of the soul. The mind is a part of the soul and the soul has many other parts. Many other parts of the soul are much more important than the mind because they control the mind, they control how the mind thinks; they control everything that it processes. And so these other organs, and the organs of love and the organs of humility and other organs that exist within the soul are all part and parcel of certain parts of the soul itself, they need to be developed if we're truly going to grow as humanity, not just our mind. Our mind will subsequently come along for the ride because it is completely subordinate to the soul itself. [00:35:49.19]

And that's whether we think it's subordinate or not, it is still subordinate. So even if we believe that our mind is superior and our soul is not being developed in any way, our mind is still subordinate to many of the functionings of the soul, it's just that we're not conscious of it in our mind because we don't wish to be. Like I said anything that we're not humble about, we won't be able to process even though it might be happening, we still won't be able to process it.

2.8. The importance of understanding the soul

So I sort of feel if most people understood those basic concepts, then we can introduce some basic concepts about how the soul works in comparison to the mind. If they don't understand that the soul is the dominant part of ourselves, and remember here we're talking about the half of a soul, and really in the end, we want to be connected with our other half of the soul, but initially we need to develop our half of the soul, the part that we're connected to with this body before we can ever expect to connect with the other half of the soul.

The half of the soul uses the sensory apparatus of the physical and spirit bodies in order to experience both of those worlds. If we understand that basic understanding, then we will start to get some of the principles that we're going to mention when we discuss the different understandings if you like, of how the soul actually does operate; such as, how I can change my soul and how I can have my soul grow? And what resistance is in my soul and how can I determine what's loving and what isn't? And how can I determine what is truth and what isn't? Once we understand how the soul works then it will all make sense. All of those things will make sense to us.

If we don't understand how the soul works, we will often try to develop ourselves in a certain direction only to find that it's a dead end and then we have to retrace our steps generally and find a path that's not a dead end any more. And the path that's not a dead end is always God's Path because it's always the road to infinite understanding. [00:37:59.09]

So do you have any more questions about it in this introductory phase or do you think we'll just go into it?

2.9. The half soul requires the spirit body's mind for full expression and functioning

Interviewer: I do have one. It's about God's Intention when God created it this way. So the way God intended it was that both the mind of the soul and the mind of the spirit body would just be like just tools.

Yeah you could say that.

Interviewer: From the word go?

Yeah, I think if I can explain it this way it would be better. Remember if we look at the soul, we're talking about half of the soul here. What I'm saying is that the whole soul has a mind and I'm only developing half of it when I develop the mind of my soul, I'm only developing half of it. But the spirit body has a complete brain that is not shared by somebody else, it's our brain. Thoughts can be dropped into it from external stimuli, but it's our brain completely. So the half of a soul connects to a whole brain in the spirit body and a whole brain in the physical body, but the half of a soul only has half of its brain functioning. Without the other half, a full whole soul brain cannot be realised. A full soul's mind cannot be realised. And we need to understand the difference between these functions.

So it's the half of the soul that exercises control over the spirit body's brain or the mind of the spirit body. It's a half of the soul that does that, not the complete soul. The complete soul does not need the spirit body's brain at all to function; the half of the soul needs the spirit body's brain because it hasn't yet joined to the other half of the soul and therefore is not capable of experiencing all the stimuli that the complete soul can experience in terms of learning. And until such a time that it voluntarily undertakes the process of joining with the other half of itself, it will never have that functioning.

So while we remain half a soul, while we remain independent of our soulmate and don't go through a soul union, we need the half of the soul's mind which is only half of a soul's mind or brain, needs the spirit body's mind in order to express itself. But as you grow and grow into a soul union state, once you get into a soul union state, the mind of the soul doesn't need any spirit body's minds in order to express itself because it now has a complete functioning organ of its own mind in order to express itself in a logical manner. Whereas when we are just a half of a soul, we must have a connection to a spirit body form and we need to use the spirit body's mind in order to express ourselves. But we've still got half of the soul's brain that we're using in order to express ourselves through that spirit body's mind.

Interviewer: That's makes sense, yes.

So it's relatively logical when you think about it all. We've got half of our soul, which is what we see as our real self, but we're really only half of our real selves. And so I'm sitting here but the other half of me is somewhere else at the moment and the other half of you is somewhere else but we have also our half of the brain that we can develop in our soul. But that only usually starts developing once we make the transition between the sixth and the seventh dimension of the spirit world.

2.10. Developing the soul and becoming soul-dominant

Interviewer: So it's not a graded development?

It is a graded development but we usually first notice that something is different by the time we get to the seventh dimension. Up until that point usually the mind remains dominant still, our own spirit body's mind remains dominant. But the development of the soul's mind begins usually right down in the third and second dimensions of the spirit world when we start developing our spiritual natures and our emotional natures and this is what causes or triggers the development of the soul and the development of the soul's mind. And so that begins way, way earlier. But we usually get to a point where we notice it, and if we have followed the Divine Way, the God's Way, in our development we will notice it earlier than if we follow the natural love development. If we follow the natural love development, which is our own way, we can even get to the sixth dimension of the spirit world and not even know that our soul's mind has been developed in any way or that we even have a soul. [00:42:59.12]

Interviewer: So can you just give an example of what difference you might notice as you're using your soul's mind more?

The soul's mind remember is connected to these other organs and these other organs include love, humility, the expression of emotion, the expression of affection; all of these emotional aspects, which we could define as emotional aspects are of the soul. So you will find that a person who's developing their soul becomes more emotional. You can feel more from them, you feel more of their personality; you feel more of their nature. It's not like they're sort of a rigid intellectual being anymore, they're now a soft changing personality that you can sense and feel quite strongly at times. And in fact you can feel the love that's in them and you can feel the other emotions in them quite readily as well. They haven't shut those particular things down. That's an indication that their soul has started to be developed and the soul's mind is now starting to be affected by that development.

Whereas for a person who tries hard - it's almost like the Buddhist way - trying hard to suppress desire and suppress emotions and suppress feeling, what they're trying hard to do is to use their mind to control their soul. Now of course that's a physical impossibility in the end, you can't actually do it, no one historically has ever successfully done it. And the reason why that is the case is because God created it that the mind would be subordinate to the soul not the other way round. And God created it that this mind is an organ of the soul and not the other way round. The soul's not an organ of the mind. And for that reason it is impossible in fact to suppress our soul using our mind, using our intellect, and so that's why you see the soul of the person come out at times. Even if the person is very intellectual in their development, you will see their joy come out, you'll see other desires come out as they express themselves and that's the soul being developed, that's the part of them that is the real part of them.

So this soul can be consciously developed but for the majority of humanity at this point in time the soul is unconsciously developing. As a person develops their mind and learns new things, they experience certain joy and that causes their soul to feel some things and therefore become developed. So that's the way that most people develop at this point in time. But we could instead of doing that engage the soul's development, which is what I chose to do in the first century and what every person who's become a Celestial spirit has chosen to do. We can do this on Earth; we can engage the development of the soul rather than the development of the mind. And as a result of engaging the development of the soul, the mind will subsequently develop more rapidly because the mind is controlled by organs of the soul that most people don't realise it's being controlled by at this point.

So for example, the soul's ability to feel controls how the mind thinks. The soul's ability to love controls how the mind thinks, it controls its choices, controls its logical reasoning. The soul's ability to be humble controls what the mind, in terms of knowledge, can absorb. So we can see that if we develop our soul, then our mind will have greater capacity to develop and greater capacity for understanding. If we don't develop our soul our mind has no capacity for understanding at all if we're not careful.

And this is why people who don't develop any part of their soul, which is very hard to do of course consciously, you can't really do it consciously, but people who spend very little time developing their soul also become very illogical in their understanding of the universe. They have all sorts of theories that they believe as facts that are impossible to substantiate and are very illogical in their reasoning because their soul, all the organs of the soul, aren't being used to determine truth, only the mind is. And the mind is trying to operate independently of all these other organs, which are all going to control how the mind absorbs truth. [00:47:31.25]

So it's very important for people to understand that they will not be able to receive love through their mind. They will not be able to receive truth through their mind. The mind can be involved in the process but it's not going to be the thing that controls the absorption of love or truth. And if we're developing towards God, love and truth are the two things we're wanting or seeking and so we're going to struggle if we use our mind to seek those two things.

2.11. Summary of the introduction

So probably what we could say in summary to the introduction to this material is that we must understand that the soul has an organ called the mind but it is just a subordinate part of the soul. The soul has many other organs and many other things that we can develop that are more important than our mind and if we do not develop them, our mind will also be unable to develop fully. The spirit body's brain, which spirits often refer to as the mind and people on Earth often refer to as the mind, is just a part of that, of that functioning of the soul's mind. And the more dominant we become in terms of our material state, the more it will turn out that we suppress the soul's ability to understand truth, suppress the soul's ability to understand the universe around us.

And so God designed us purposefully with a soul so that we could come to understand everything in the universe, but what man is doing is they are suppressing the soul most of the time and for that reason they are struggling to understand the universe. They're struggling with their mind to understand even our own bodies let alone the universe. But as soon as we start to allow the soul to be a part of the absorption of knowledge, then what's going to happen is it will stop struggling to understand the universe and all these new truths \- and there will be many myriads of truths arrive to humanity through this process - all these new truths will start to be absorbed by the soul and so the soul has a greater capacity to understand the universe as a result. [00:49:53.29]

So I think that's a great thing about the way God's created it. God's created it in such a way that we have the complete capacity to understand everything that God's created eventually, if we develop our soul and not just our mind.

3. What is preclusion?

So the first principle that I'd probably like to introduce is the principle of preclusion as it relates to the soul. If we just explain to people that these principles are just names I've given things. They're just labels that I've given to a certain type of understanding, and if we can describe the understanding then they'll be able to associate the label with the understanding.

Interviewer: Okay so would you like to describe what preclusion is?

Yeah, preclusion is the principle, and it's based upon this basic premise about how the soul operates and how God created the soul. God created the soul so that truth and error cannot exist in it at the same time. So preclusion is this basic understanding that while truth exists on a certain subject inside the soul, then an error on that same subject inside the soul cannot exist. The same applies with errors. While an error exists within the soul on a certain subject, at the same time truth cannot exist on that same subject. It precludes truth from existing.

So error and truth that exist in the soul are independent of each other in the way that truth and error cannot exist on the same sector at the same time in the same soul and so this can help us a lot if we can understand that is the case. [00:51:44.01]

What I feel preclusion helps us do is to understand that while I might have certain beliefs in my mind, it doesn't necessarily mean they've entered my soul because the entering into the soul of that particular belief will depend upon whether error or truth already exists in the soul about that particular thing. And so the error inside of my soul precludes the truth from existing if the error already exists in the soul.

3.1. Preclusion refers to a current state or condition of the soul

So this is about the state or the condition of the soul right now. It's not about some future state or how change happens or any of those things; it's really a statement about what is the state of my soul right in this moment. The state of my soul right at this moment on a particular issue or subject, this is my state. While error exists inside of my soul on that subject, it's impossible, no matter how much I think it's possible, for truth inside of my soul to exist on the same subject.

Interviewer: So that could be any kind of feeling or belief?

Yes it's relates to beliefs, it relates to feelings, it relates to all sorts of issues. Remember that our soul is the feeling part of us. Remember the dominant organs of the soul are not the mind of the soul but are the emotional parts of the soul, the heart, the humility and other parts of the soul, the other dominant parts of our soul. That's what controls what happens with our mind.

So something might enter our mind externally. So you might tell me a truth about the universe but while I have an emotion or feeling or belief inside of my soul that is different to that truth that you've told me, it's impossible for me to absorb that truth into my soul. I have to first get rid of the error, and we'll talk about that process as a separate process, because that's the process or the change that has to occur to the soul in order to absorb truth. [00:53:52.15]

This idea or understanding of preclusion is about the state as it is right now. And I feel a lot of people don't understand the current state of their soul because they don't understand this basic principle. They think that what exists in their mind is the truth about what's in their soul. And this is also why psychologists have come up with the concept of unconscious behaviour, what they call a lack of conscious behaviour, or the "subconscious" is what they've called it eventually. The reason why we have the so-called subconscious is because our soul has a completely different idea or concept on a particular subject to what our mind does and it's always our soul that dominates our mind. It's always our soul that dominates our actions and everything that we choose to do and even dominates our thoughts in the end. And so this so-called concept of subconscious has been created because of not understanding this idea of preclusion.

Interviewer: So for someone who wants to know what their soul condition is, that's quite pertinent to this point isn't it?

Of course.

Interviewer: So it's to look at with honesty what they're feeling and also to look at their actions.

Exactly, look at the actions and the feelings. Of course a lot of people are not very sensitive to their feelings and so probably the best course of action is to look at the actions, what your soul is attracting because that will tell you the truth. And when I say what you soul is attracting, there is a law called the Law of Attraction that controls how things come to you from the universe. How it works is that the soul in a certain condition will attract certain things in order to expose its condition whether the mind of the person believes they have that condition or not. [00:55:53.12]

3.2. An example of the truth of loving our neighbour

So this is what I see with a lot of spiritual development on the planet. For example, if we take the average Christian. The average Christian probably thinks they believe in the Ten Commandments and believe in the commandments that I gave in the first century of you must love your God with your whole heart, your whole soul and your whole mind, the whole strength, and love your neighbour as yourself. So they might feel that, they might think that that's what they believe. But the reality is as soon as a war comes along; a lot of times they are the first person to enter it, particularly if their own family or their own country is being threatened.

Now if the law of loving your neighbour as yourself had truly entered their soul, they could never contemplate going to war, ever. So that tells me that the feeling of loving your neighbour as yourself has yet to be created inside of the soul. Instead there's another feeling that's there already, which is the feeling of I'm able to kill my brother or sister or my neighbour under certain conditions. If they threaten me, for example, I should kill them or if they threaten my life or they threaten the life of my family or they might try to rape my partner. Under certain conditions I can kill them, that's their thought.

So that is proof that the actual feeling of loving your neighbour has yet to enter the soul. All that's happened is they've had the thought that they should love their neighbour and they think that in doing what the Bible says that they've actually honoured or obeyed that particular command, but the reality is the command itself and the desire to do so has not entered their soul because they're willing to go to war. So that's an example of how the mind might think one thing and the soul be in a completely different state.

And with this idea of preclusion, we will start to understand why it's a different state because the feeling of loving my neighbour has not entered my soul; I just have it in my mind as a thought. And this is the problem with the mind is the mind can have both error and truth on the same subject in it at the same time whereas the soul cannot. It's impossible to have error and truth in the soul at the same time on the same subject. And that's what the idea of preclusion is all about. We must understand that it's impossible for our soul to have the same thing in it on the same subject at the same time but with different opinions. [00:59:02.13]

And that's a beautiful thing if you think about it because I can then go, "Okay, what are my real feelings, what are the real thoughts of my soul?" The real thoughts of my soul are, in the case we gave, "I am willing to go to war under certain circumstances". So the feeling of loving my neighbour as myself is definitely not in my soul, it's just a thought; it's just an intellectual concept or idea that I'm not actually following for some reason. And once I know that, I can then start to investigate what the reason might be. But if I don't know that I'll probably never investigate the reason, I'll probably just logically justify why I should be able to go to war and kill my brother under certain circumstances.

This is where the mind becomes totally unreasonable because the mind will justify the soul's error. The reason why it does is because we often want to retain the error in the soul and we don't want to change our soul to accept the new thing for emotional reasons. There are emotional reasons why we don't.

3.3. An example of the truth that we are the pinnacle of God's Creation and the error of drinking alcohol

Interviewer: Okay we came up with another example here which was - the truth was that the soul is the real me is the pinnacle or creation of God.

Right, so when a person first hears that truth they sort of usually go, "Yeah, I get that. You know, we're a pretty amazing creation. If you look at humanity we've got our free will, none of the other creatures in the universe seem to have that, that we've met anyway." And so we have this concept that, wow we are the pinnacle of creation, we're a pretty amazing creation.

Interviewer: But then they want to go out and get drunk.

Exactly and they justify getting drunk. So how does this work? Hang on a sec. On one hand we're saying we're the pinnacle of creation of God, but on the other hand we're acting like we're not in the sense that we're harming ourselves. So if I give you more of a background of that. [01:00:59.26]

We know that when we drink alcohol, usually, if we do it to excess, we wake up in the morning with a very sore body and sore head. We also know that it kills brain cells. Even a small portion of alcohol kills brain cells if we ingest alcohol. So bearing that in mind, if we really believed we were the pinnacle of the creation of God, do you think we would drink alcohol? Probably not, right? But the fact that a person does decide to drink it is proof that the other truth, that I am the pinnacle of the creation of God, has yet to enter my soul. It's only entered my mind and it cannot enter my soul because something else already exists in my soul. And that something else is willing to determine my actions of even killing my brain of my physical body under certain circumstances. I'm willing to take an action that results in the destruction of my brain, which is an indication that I have not yet really accepted that I am the pinnacle of the creation of God.

Interviewer: Yeah there are emotions in there that they want to escape from that are quite the opposite of being the pinnacle of the creation of God.

Exactly. There's something inside of the soul that causes them to feel that they're not the pinnacle of the creation of God, even though in their mind they think they've accepted that particular concept.

3.4. An example of the error of wanting to be violent precluding the truth that violence is not loving

Interviewer: The other example is the truth is it does not love to be violent. We sort of touched on this with the Christian thing. And the error is I want to punch that guy in the face.

(Laughs) Yeah, so I think that like the average person on the planet would shy away from violence under most circumstances. However, there are times when the average person on the planet feels violence is justified.

Interviewer: Yeah sometimes when you're watching a movie and you think, I'm really loving and I wouldn't want them to be violent, and then you're like yeah, go on. (Laughs)

Yeah go and get them! (Laughter) Yeah, that's right. And that emotion of go and get them and be violent now, that's triggered something inside of the soul that already exists in the soul. But when you think about it, the thought of I want to be loving all the time is really just a thought under those circumstances because if you have enough stimuli in a certain direction, whatever is in the soul will become the truth. So if the soul says, "No I'm willing to justify violence under certain circumstances," then you'll justify violence under those circumstances every single time. And even if that means somebody dies as a result of your actions you'd still justify violence under those circumstances. [01:03:49.19]

And that is an indication of this preclusion concept and that's this idea that while in my soul I have a justification of violence under certain circumstances, it is impossible for me, no matter how much I exercise my mind, to be loving under all of those circumstances because I will use even my mind as a justification for the underlying flawed emotion in order to express that thought emotionally.

If we talk a bit about love and how it affects this, if I'm going to become more loving then I have to at some point understand that there are things inside of my soul that preclude me from becoming more loving while they exist in my soul.

3.5. An example of hearing vs. experiencing truth

This is what I find happening a lot to the people who come along to our seminars - they hear the truth, they like what they hear, but it's only a thought based on what they like, it's not actually entered their soul yet because you put them in a situation, sometimes the very situations I describe when I'm talking to them in the seminar, and they act immediately out of harmony with love, which is an indication that love hasn't touched their soul enough for the truth to enter their soul yet about that particular thing. And the only reason why that has occurred is because of this concept of preclusion. While an error exists in the soul on the same subject, the truth cannot enter them. So they will not be able to change while that error stays in the soul on that subject. It's impossible for them to change. [01:05:34.27]

Now they can think they've changed but that matters not; it doesn't matter at all. And this is why a lot of people go to the reversion, to this subconscious concept because they go, "I thought I'd changed, but something just happened and something flipped in me and I just went and did it anyway, and that's what my subconscious has determined." Well no it's what your soul's error has determined and if you understood the soul's error, you could have released that error and then of course once the error no longer exists in the soul, it no longer determines the course of action or conduct and it no longer determines the reasoning of your mind, it no longer determines it in the same direction.

3.6. An example of the error of wanting to be violent precluding the truth that violence is not loving (continued)

So if you talk to the average person on this planet about violence, if we get back to that example, the average person on the planet has a mind that says and justifies logically to them; they think they have logical arguments and reasons for justifying violence. Most people on the planet feel they have a logical reason for justifying violence.

But if you look at the results of violence in the course of history, we can see that there is no justification for it whatsoever and in fact if you look at the results from a logical perspective, every single time somebody's reverted to violence there's extra pain and suffering and probably oftentimes more violence, every single time. It's only when somebody's forgiven that that hasn't occurred.

But the logical mind of a person who has this feeling in their heart can't absorb that. They don't understand the principles of forgiveness and they will not be able to understand the principles of forgiveness until their desire in their soul of wanting, under certain circumstances, to be violent has left them. Until it leaves them they will continue in their own mind to justify violence even seeing and observing the negative outcomes of such violence, it won't have an affect logically on them. [01:07:35.20]

Interviewer: And they're in denial about their own contribution, their own feelings to what's actually happening.

Totally, of course, because their feelings are contributing to violence in fact. This is why there's this statement that some people have made that violence begets violence and it does, that's the reality. If I'm violent towards you, unless you are of very high development in love you will probably want to be violent back to me. And of course people today feel no matter how highly developed they are in love they should be violent back because the original violence justifies the subsequent violence is the way they believe.

But we've had a record in humanity over tens of thousands of years; we've had this record in humanity that every time violence has been engaged and somebody's returned with violence, the situation has worsened not improved. So we have proof and evidence that this is not true but very few people on Earth even accept it logically because they have the justification in their soul. While the justification remains in the soul it will determine even their logic, it'll determine how they think while the justification exists.

3.7. Summary of preclusion

And that's the concept of preclusion. The concept of preclusion, basically to remind everyone is this concept, is that while an error exists in the soul on a certain subject at a certain time it is impossible for the truth to exist in the soul on the same subject at the same time. The error precludes the truth from existing.

By the way the flip side is also true with preclusion and that is while a truth exists in the soul on a certain subject at this time, it is impossible for error to actually be felt by the same soul at the same time on the same subject. That's also a truth.

So you can see that this is a great thing if you think about it. If we allow the errors to be released and we absorb the truth, which brings us to the next point really, which we'll talk about, then we can change. Our soul can change, our reasoning will change and our logic will change, everything will change as a subsequent result of understanding that basic principle.

Interviewer: So you can release the error and absorb the truth, is it possible to release the truth and absorb an error?

Of course, we'll talk about absorption in a minute and the possibilities that are involved, but yes of course this happens very frequently.

Interviewer: For children?

No for adults on this planet it also happens frequently, under certain stimuli. We'll talk about those particular stimuli, but yes it's certainly possible for the soul to release a truth and absorb an error. But obviously it depends on how much the soul desires that truth or desires the error as to how well that occurs. [01:10:48.27]

So that's our first topic, our topic of preclusion and remember that preclusion is just a label for this idea or concept that while a certain error exists in the soul on a certain subject at this time, the truth will not be able to exist in the soul on the same subject. That's what the principle of preclusion is all about.

4. What is absorption?

So now we come to the second concept or understanding that we need to understand if we're going to truly understand the development of our own soul, and that's the concept of absorption or understanding absorption.

Interviewer: Right, so would you like to tell me what absorption is? (Laughter)

What is it? (Laughs) Well it's the principle that we cannot change unless the thing preventing change is released from ourselves. So if we state it more carefully, I cannot absorb any new truth, or have truth flow into my soul while error exists in the soul on that same subject. And I cannot have new error be absorbed into the soul or flow into the soul if truth exists in the soul on the same subject.

4.1. Absorption refers to a process of change within the soul

So this process of absorption is all about the change that occurs in the soul. So remember the first point preclusion was about the state of the soul, this second point is about how we can make the soul change from its state to a new state. And what we're basically saying is the state of the soul cannot change unless somehow the error that's in the soul that causes the state to remain the same and the truth in the soul that causes the state to remain the same is somehow released; is given up. It's got to be a process by which we can give up both truth and error if we want to. And there is and we can discuss that in another point.

So this process of absorption or the concept of absorption is; we cannot have a truth or an error absorbed into our soul while the opposite thing exists already in the soul at the same time on the same subject. And if we understood this truth, you know really understood this at the soul level, we would give up trying to learn new things with our mind without going through some kind of process that allows those particular things to be absorbed into our heart, into our soul. We'd give up that entire process if we understood this. [01:13:38.14]

Interviewer: What about if you're learning a new truth but there's no error in your soul opposing that?

Then the truth will enter immediately.

Interviewer: It will just go straight in.

It will go straight in. It will flow in because there's emotional openness to the absorption of that truth. The same applies to the error of course. If there is no truth in the soul on a certain subject and there's no error in the soul on the same subject, then the soul is also emotionally open to absorbing error as well as truth, and this is what it's like for a child.

4.2. An example of a child absorbing truth and error

When a child first incarnates and they are first conceived, from that moment on they're absorbing everything in their environment without check, without any resistance because they started with a blank soul, with no truth or error in it. And because there was no truth or error in it, in that blank soul, they can absorb anything. They can absorb truth and error.

So if the parents were in a high amount of truth, then the child would start absorbing a lot of that truth. If the parents were in a high amount of error, then the child starts absorbing error. And what normally happens of course on the planet is that the parents are in a what we would classify as an average amount of truth and an average amount of error and as a result of that then the child themselves also absorbs the same errors and truths that the parents had and so therefore starts acting upon them as they develop in their brain, in their mind. [01:15:11.27]

4.3. Absorption of truth is the emotional experiencing of truth

Interviewer: So would you say that this absorption is the experience of the truth as it enters you?

I don't feel the truth is an entity because an entity implies that it is like a being or a person, but the truth itself is available on any particular subject. And yes the process of absorption is the experiencing of the truth, not as an intellectual concept or thought but rather as an emotional experience.

So this is why I often say in presentations to people that the truth is emotional. You can't accept a new truth without going through an emotion. And in fact usually you can't accept a new truth without going through two emotions. The first emotion is the release of the error, and this is the concept that we'll discuss further in another section, and then the second emotion is the absorption of the truth. So the reality is yes, the truth is an experience that you have to go through, it's not ever going to be an intellectual concept if it's going to change your soul.

So there are plenty of people who have heard the truth in their mind, but it hasn't changed their soul and you put the same stimuli from an event onto their soul, some kind of trigger that hits their soul, they'll react completely different to what their mind would have suggested to them because the truth hasn't entered their soul yet. And the only way the truth is going to enter the soul is for the error in the soul to go through some kind of process of release and we'll talk about the process of release as another point. But we need to understand this concept that we can't absorb new truth while error is existing and we can't absorb even new error while truth is existing, so that's great too. [01:16:57.25]

So when we get to the point where we have absorbed a new truth into our soul that is in harmony with God's Truth, and remember every time I'm referring to 'truth' here I'm referring to the absolute Truth of God, we can't absorb that truth into our soul while an error exists. But also if the truth does already exist in our soul we're going to be impervious to error as well, which is fantastic. It means that we can't be manipulated in any way away from the truth on that point.

Interviewer: But you said it is possible to release a truth and absorb an error?

Of course it is.

4.4. An example of a child absorbing truth and error (continued)

Interviewer: So what might be an example of that?

Well an example of that often happens during our childhood for example. So for example we might have had one experience in our childhood that most people have had, where they're two or three years of age and for the very first time in their life they get belted by their parent for doing something. Now in that moment there is a deep confusion within the soul of the child. Up until that point in time the child has only received what you would call loving responses from its parent and the child has never had an experience of violence from its parent at that point, not physical violence that has created physical pain to their body. And then all of a sudden the parent has reverted to some kind of physical action that is violent towards the child, that's an assault on the child. Now the child goes through a deep deal of confusion in that place because it's never experienced that before, it's only ever experienced what we would say would be more loving feelings from the parent.

Now what happens generally, if that happens once, the child usually goes through a whole set of confusions. If it happens again and then again on any subject, the child begins to accept the error and give up the concept that something is wrong. Initially it knows something is wrong because of the pain it's experienced, but after a while it gives up the concept of something is wrong and after a while it even starts to justify. And once we become adults ourselves we often justify the physical punishing violence that is being perpetrated by parents towards us in our childhood. We justify it saying, "Oh I was a bad child," or whatever. So we've actually come to the point of completely accepting the error by that stage.

Interviewer: So it can be a progressive thing?

Definitely. Yes a smidgen of truth gets lost; a smidgen of error gets imbibed as a result. A bit more truth gets lost, another error imbibed as a result and so forth and so forth until such a point in time that the error is like a mountain and the truth is like a molehill. Therefore the truth doesn't govern our actions anymore - the errors govern all of our actions. [01:19:58.04]

4.5. An example of the stages involved in releasing error and absorbing truth about parental violence

Now of course the same process can happen in reverse. The error can be released a bit at a time and a bit of truth can be absorbed about that particular thing. So for example, if I was talking about this truth about my parents assaulting me during my childhood by using what we call punishing the child or what we call disciplining the child through a violent act. Now I would argue that there's no such thing as disciplining a child through a violent act in the sense of from a loving perspective. But we won't arrive at that condition initially just instantly, because we have all these concepts inside of our soul that it is a loving act for the parent to sometimes restrict the child's actions through violence. We believe it because it happened to us and it happened to us through a lot of our childhood so we come to accept that.

Now in terms of releasing that, I would go through, "Oh that really hurt that my mum and dad did that," and as an adult we might process some of that hurt that we got hit quite frequently sometimes for things. Initially it usually starts by feeling about the things we got hit about that we didn't deserve, where we knew we didn't do something wrong and they still violently attacked us in some way.

After a while say we've released that emotion, we've now released this emotion that we didn't deserve being attacked for things that we didn't do, we released that at least and now we can accept the truth that nobody deserves to be attacked for things that they didn't do; that we need to make sure of our facts before we go attacking anybody is maybe the subsequent result of that truth entering us. But we still may believe that our parents were loving even though they attacked us at other times when we felt we deserved it. But then we go through another emotion where we realise that we only feel we deserved it because our parents felt we deserved it. So really we felt we deserved it because they felt we deserved it and it was really like an emotional blackmail or you would call it almost an emotional programming that caused us to accept that we deserved it.

And then we process through that emotionally, so we release that emotion of, "Oh I've just accepted my parent's definition of the world all the time. I've accepted their definition of what's right and what's wrong." And I process through that emotionally and then I realise, "I don't have to accept what my parents think is right or wrong all the time," and then I start to realise that a lot of the things my parents said were right are actually wrong from a perspective of love. And so now I've grown a little more in accepting more truth.

And then I go through another process after that generally where I start realising, "Wow, I got punished for all of those things they said were right and I didn't deserve to be punished." So now I process that emotionally, I release all of that emotion about how forgiving them, going through the process of forgiveness of them in that process of releasing that emotion. And now I come to terms with the fact that I didn't deserve to be hit ever. And once I get to that point, I realise that actually when my parents hit me they were committing a violent assault and once I hit that point, I'll have a big bawl or cry about it probably, if I want to release the error of that, that they have actually assaulted me. My parents have assaulted me and in fact they assaulted me many times during my childhood. And if they had done that to an adult, they'd be in jail probably, and still in jail for how many times they assaulted me as a child. If they had done that to another adult they would have got put in jail many times as a result for that particular offense. [01:23:45.04]

And then I feel about all of that and release all of that emotionally and forgive them for that. And go through all of that emotionally. Once I come out of all of that, I am very firm now with the truth, and the truth is that nobody, no matter whatever their age, deserves to be assaulted. And that now is a truth that is firmly in my soul, nobody can shift it and it doesn't matter how many people attack me and how many people justify their actions through God or through the Bible or through some other book or justify it, I will be immoveable. Because all of the error on the subject now has been released and I now know the truth that any form of assault on my person is an unloving act.

And that's how it usually happens is this gradual flow. And so when I say any truth on a particular subject, I'm talking about that process. In the process I've just described for example, which is really a subset of the actual process, and you can see that there is a little bit of truth that I had to come to terms with and then the error could be released and I could come to terms with that truth. And initially I receive it intellectually, I think about it, think about it, and think about it to the point where I get to release the emotion. Once I release the emotion now the truth can enter me as a solid fact and that's how change occurs, that's the principle of absorption.

4.6. An example of absorbing the truth about the Law of Attraction

Interviewer: Right. Can I use another example?

Sure.

Interviewer: So when in growing faith as you grow towards God and you experiment with the laws and you have an experience where the Law of Attraction feeds you back something and you're like, "Oh I've had that experience," so I believe the Law of Attraction a little bit but not like totally...

Not on every subject.

Interviewer: No it's just a little bit. And then you have another experience and then I believe it a little bit more. So that's the same process...

In a positive direction.

Interviewer: Yeah, so you just have more and more experiences having released an error associated with it.

Exactly. So you know initially we might have this feeling that there's no such thing, no such thing as the Law of Attraction, what happens to me just happens. And then something might happen which seemed to be very co-relative with something that you thought about and then you start going, "Oh maybe I should experiment with this." So that in itself is a shift of truth but yet to be determined emotionally because it's not entered emotionally. But to get to that point I probably usually had to release the anger and rage that I have that there is such a thing as the Law of Attraction. [01:26:34.11]

So I've released a bit of anger and rage about this concept of the Law of Attraction and usually how I do that is by; I hear somebody talk about the Law of Attraction and I said, "Ah it's a load of rubbish!" And all this anger comes up in me and everything (laughs) and that's me releasing the blockage towards the concept. And then something might happen in my life that causes me to think, "What they said might be true. I might experiment with that," because I've now released a lot of the anger about it, I'm now willing to concede that it's possibly true. And so now the anger's been released there's a little bit of a shift on the Law of Attraction and then what happens is an event happens in my life that seems to be a very big event. It seems to be related to something definitely that I do feel and I go, "Hmm that's interesting."

Or even before then I could have some truth presented to me about the Law of Attraction. Initially it might be something like the New Age version of the Law of Attraction, which is this concept that you could think your way out of anything pretty much, and then I try to think my way out of it, think my way out of it, think about it. It doesn't work at all and I get all angry and rageful about that and upset with the whole concept and give it all up. And there's some more emotion released.

And then somebody presents the concept of the Law of Attraction to me that it's actually to do with your emotions that guide your Law of Attraction, what's going on in terms of what you attract. I've now given up all the blockages to the belief; the denial of the belief, the concept that it's an intellectual process has been given up now. Now I'm open to the concept that it might be an emotional process and now I can experiment with that.

And in the process of experimenting with that I'll learn some things that cause me to give up more emotions that eventually help me to come to see that the law's a loving law. Then after a while I'll have so much faith in it that anything that happens to me I always firstly examine myself because I know for certain that it's got to be something in my soul that created it. Eventually I get to that point. But again it's a gradual process - I release a little bit of error a little bit of truth comes in, I release another little bit of error another little truth on the same subject that I've just released comes in and so forth until I get to the point where it's built into a mountain of truth that has been absorbed by my soul and I'm now solid in the concept. [01:29:00.12]

4.7. Embracing the process of releasing truth and absorbing error

Interviewer: And in that incremental process, is that when confusion can happen?

Well yes because at that point in time you've got bits and pieces of the truth on different subjects in there because you've had to release the error about that bit and so the truth about that bit can enter you. But the error about all bits hasn't been released, so the truth about all bits cannot be absorbed. And so during that phase we often go through what you would classify as doubt or sometimes what you would classify as regression. So if we got some kind of evidence to the contrary that we didn't understand that we attribute with our mind to being a flawed concept, we may absorb that error as well. We might go through a little cycle in amongst all of that. And that does frequently happen for people where they're not comfortable with the concept of doubt and as you know doubt creates a lot of discomfort internally, emotionally, emotional discomfort.

And most people are not willing to release emotional discomfort, in other words they're not willing to feel emotional discomfort. Not understanding that the emotional discomfort itself is an error. Because why are we so uncomfortable not knowing? It's because when we were children generally and we didn't know something, we were often humiliated, laughed at, sometimes ridiculed and sometimes even punished for not knowing when it was a sincere case where we just didn't know. And so when we don't know as an adult we actually have quite a lot of fear associated with not knowing and as a result that's one of the errors that needs to be released, our fear about not knowing.

From God's perspective there is no fear in not knowing. If we lived in a universe where we were never punished for not knowing something or never laughed at for not knowing something, never humiliated for not knowing something, then I doubt whether we'd ever have blockages to not knowing something. I doubt whether we'd worry about what we do and don't know.

Interviewer: We'd be like two year olds.

We'd be like two year olds who had never been punished, who have never been controlled, never been laughed at, who'd just go, "Mummy, daddy this, mummy, daddy that...? What's going on here, what's going on there, why, why, why?" Like my son was when he was two why everything. And that's what we'd be like in the universe we lived in; we wouldn't have any worry about that place. We wouldn't feel like anybody's looking down on us in that place even if we were an adult we wouldn't ever be concerned about that place.

But again we can only get to that place by releasing the error and the error has been imbibed, usually through our childhood experience, absorbed into our soul and now we have the feeling in our soul that says, "If I don't know something someone's going to make fun of me. If I don't know something someone's going to make me feel humiliated. If I don't know something somebody's going to punish me." And if I've been violently abused as a child when I didn't know, where if I don't know something somebody's going to torture me, and in the end that might be the strength of that emotion, which is very overpowering. And unless that error is released, that emotion inside of me that's determining that reasoning is released, I will find it very difficult to go through doubt. I'll be in a panic every time I'm in a doubt as a result, yeah.

4.8. An example of the error that violence can be justified preventing the absorption of the truth that violence is not loving

Interviewer: There's another example.

Sure.

Interviewer: Still on absorption obviously. The truth is that violence towards anyone is not loving and the error is that that person made me angry so violence towards them is fine, that's justified.

Yes so we brought up this example in the first principle too, but remember the first principle was preclusion, which was about the state of the soul. So while I have inside of me a feeling, preclusion says that a feeling of the opposite type cannot exist inside of me at the same time, so that's the case with preclusion. [01:33:01.15]

Here we're talking about, let's say I want to absorb into my soul the idea that no form of violence is acceptable, that all forms of violence are unloving. Let's say I would like to absorb that concept into my soul; but inside of my soul I admit to myself that right at this moment this idea or concept is present that actually violence under certain conditions is loving, then you can see from this example that what I would need to do is I would need to look at the conditions under which I define violence as okay and I would have to release some error about those particular beliefs in order to fully accept that no form of violence is a loving act.

So that means that for the new concepts to be absorbed in my soul I'm going to have to go through some kind of process that allows me to see the error and to see what we could call the characteristics or attributes of the error, because it might only be under certain circumstances. For example I might only justify violence if my child is being harmed. So I'm still justifying violence but only under a very slight or a very slim definition.

Interviewer: A socially acceptable definition.

Yeah and often socially acceptable. Mind you the murderer justifies violence under a whole lot of very wide definitions, but many of us will become a murderer under certain circumstances. For example if a woman becomes pregnant from somebody that she doesn't want to be pregnant from she might justify an abortion under certain circumstances, which is a murder. The fact that she doesn't want the child, she's justifying the abortion, she's justifying the murder. [01:34:59.08]

So for most people on the planet there is some kind of level of justification of violence under certain circumstances. What we need to do is be willing to find out what the error is, why we justify the violence under those circumstances and then we need to feel the error, we need to do something with this error to process it, to release it from our soul so that it no longer is in our soul. Once it's no longer in our soul, this concept of absorption says the truth will be able to enter us really easily and we'll be able to completely live by it after that point with no impediments whatsoever.

4.9. Absorbing new truths is more rapid when we receive Divine Love

Interviewer: Is absorbing the truth an automatic process or do you have to long to God for that to happen?

Yeah the truth entering us is not an automatic process, just like the error leaving us is not an automatic process.

Interviewer: Once the error's left us is it automatic?

Well it depends. If we're now choosing to do this progress, the change of the soul with God, what we could be doing is we could be longing for God's Love and when this error's released from our soul the Love will enter and the Love will bring with it the Truth that we're seeking. But if it's a process we're doing without God then we're not receiving God's Love but we still have the capacity to absorb the truth but it has to be something that we choose to do with our will still.

So it depends on what path we're on whether we're on The Way, the Divine Love Path as people refer to it, The Way to God, or whether we're on the Natural Love Path which is not The Way to God, but the way to becoming the perfect natural man. No matter what form of development we choose there will be this process of having to release an error and to imbibe or absorb the truth. How rapidly this occurs will depend on whether we got God's help to do it or not through receiving Divine Love or not.

If we receive Divine Love it can be a very rapid process, because Divine Love softens our soul it can be a very rapid process. If we don't receive Divine Love because there's not that softening of our soul then we have to choose to soften our soul, which is often a very difficult process to engage, and which takes a lot longer time. But it's still possible; we can become the perfect natural man while we're on Earth. When I say perfect I mean perfected in love while we're on Earth in terms of our relationship to our fellow man and woman without God. We don't need to have God in that process. It's much easier to have God in the process but you don't need to have God in the process. [01:37:39.03]

Interviewer: But also if you have God in the process, if you absorb the truth immediately after you release the error, it kind of solidifies the release of the error and makes you more resilient to more error coming in later.

Exactly. So for example if we release the errors associated on the Natural Love Path, we release the errors associated with this concept about violence but we don't yet imbibe the truth, then there is the potential of further error entering our soul. But if we've released the error and soon after releasing the error the truth has entered us then there's no more potential of the error being absorbed by the soul after that point.

So there are a lot of advantages of doing it God's Way, with God's Help than doing it by ourselves, but the reality is we can choose to do it by ourselves and still change to a point of the perfect natural man.

4.10. Summary of absorption

So probably if we summarise that subject what we're talking about here with absorption is this principle that we cannot absorb something new unless the old leaves us. The old has to leave us in some kind of process, which we'll define in another section; it has to leave us first before the new will be absorbed. If we believe we've absorbed the new while we're still conscious the old is within us, then the new has only been absorbed into our mind and it has yet to touch our heart. And that's a very important point because a lot of people think that they have become a different person, but when you put them under pressure they revert back to their old behaviour and the reason why is because their soul has yet to change, they've only thought they've changed, they haven't actually changed yet. [01:39:27.14]

And what I suggest to people who are listening to this is that to truly grow in our soul we must understand how the soul operates and we must understand this principle of absorption. We cannot grow in our soul unless there is some release that occurs that is stopping the growth of our soul. It's impossible for our soul to grow unless some release occurs, particularly if we have error with regard to that particular thing in our soul.

It's also impossible for our soul to degrade in its condition once truth is absorbed by the soul. We won't degrade in our condition once truth is absorbed; it's impossible for us to do that too. So this is what we need to understand with regard to the soul and how the soul works with regard to absorption.

4.11. An example of a child absorbing truth and error (continued)

Interviewer: When you say it's impossible to degrade once you've heard truth, you said earlier for a child though they can have repeated experiences where they start releasing a truth?

Well remember the child when it first incarnates into the parents it has no truth or error in it. It's like a fresh sponge of every truth or error and so it's very dependent on whether the parents have truth or error in them as to what the child will absorb from that moment. And it will be a process of slow absorption obviously over time. It's not going to happen instantly, it will happen over a period of time through experience. So the principles are still the same but for a child because there is no error and no truth to prevent anything, anything flows into the child pretty much unless the child at some point in the future has some point of view of error or truth in it.

Now these principles of course are negating the other influences that are upon a child or upon all of us. We must remember that when we talk about the environment we're not only talking about the parents who are with the child, but the child is capable of absorbing things from other people who are with it, including spirits who are with the child. Now all children are given a guide and a guardian from the moment of their conception. So that means that the guide and guardian also have the ability to transmit truth or even error to the child and the child accept those truths or errors. This is how a child often does receive truths without them being in their parents because they have another person who's influencing them with the truth, which is their spirit guide or guardian is giving them truths, which they then have absorbed because they've been open to absorbing those particular truths.

So it's not just a simple matter of what happens with the parents with a child, we must remember that the entire environment is affecting the child, and that includes the environment of the people who are present on the Earth and also the environment of the people around the child who are in the spirit world. They will determine how much truth and error affects the child. And for this reason many children know more truth than their own parents do because they're receiving the truth from guides or guardians who know the truth and they're being open to the reception of those particular truths because they have no error in them to begin with on those particular subjects. [01:43:04.19]

4.12. Summary of absorption (continued)

So basically, once we understand these principles, we can explain every single operation in our soul. That's the advantage of understanding the underlying principles. When we ignore these principles we start believing that we've accepted things with our mind when it's impossible for our soul to absorb those things while error exists within the soul. And so if we understand this principle of absorption then we will see that it's really a waste of time to try to accept a new truth with our mind without also engaging the process of releasing the error that might prevent the absorption of the truth into our soul.

And we also can start engaging our mind to find the error that prevents the absorption. Instead of believing with our mind that everything's fine what we need to do instead is go, "No, I can feel in me that I have a different feeling than what I'm trying to accept in my mind," and use my mind actively to find what that error is rather than using our mind to deny the error, and say I've accepted the truth when I haven't really accepted the truth at all. What's happening around me is proof that I've yet to accept it.

So when I understand absorption I will be far more conscious of using my mind actively to find the errors and release them than I will be trying to absorb truths in my mind only, without releasing error. So we change the way in which we're using our mind into a way that supports the development of our soul rather than really opposing the development of our soul. [01:44:53.08]

So that's the principle of absorption if we can call it that.

4.13. Releasing truth and absorbing error for an adult

Interviewer: We've got something that we'd like to clarify.

What's that?

Interviewer: Is it impossible for the truth to leave an adult once it's in? Like for example if an adult had a horrific experience, something happened to it and...

No if the truth is actually felt in the soul by the adult it's impossible for it to leave them under any circumstances.

Interviewer: So it's only in children that it's possible for it to change?

Yes for an adult they can act as though they don't remember the truth but the truth is still within their soul.

Interviewer: Is this going to be under dominance?

Well yeah it depends, you see it depends upon what is dominant within them still obviously because if a person honours their soul at all times, then it's impossible for them to act out of harmony with their soul. But if the person does not honour their soul at all times, then what happens is their mind may dominate their thinking and the mind is quite illogical under certain circumstances with certain stimuli. So it may cause them to act in a manner that's out of harmony with the truth that they've already accepted in their soul. But once the soul becomes dominant, it's impossible; you just can't do it, because to do it you'd hurt too much. [01:46:32.20]

4.13.1. An example of believing in God

Interviewer: So say there's an adult who has a truth in their soul about something about violence for example...

Well let's say they have one about God, say they believe in God and they know for certain He exists. They'll always know that God exists once they've received Divine Love and received that truth, they will always know God exists but they won't always believe in God's Goodness because there might be the openness to the concept that God is a God of wrath.

And so they might change what appears to be changed in their mind but they haven't really changed their mind. They've never really had a truth or error on the subject exposed until the event and then of course once it's exposed they act in harmony with the error believing that God is a God of wrath and somehow has punished them.

But that could only have entered them if they had some other error on that subject that existed inside of their soul already. And there's a common one and that is their parents were violent towards them and punished them and said that it was love so now there's the concept in the adult who's now only believed in a God of love but now they're starting to accept that God might also be violent because there is this predisposition to accepting it already that's within their soul that they haven't worked their way through yet. So it just depends on what they've worked their way through. [01:48:24.03]

Interviewer: Shall we talk about this in the next point?

Yeah can do.

Interviewer: We might use it as an example.

4.14. The difficulty of understanding soul truths with the mind

This is the issue is that the majority of people will find it very hard to understand with what we're going through because until they themselves have experienced these changes in their soul, all of what I'm saying is really just an intellectual exercise. And here what I'm trying to do here is show them intellectually that they need to engage a different part of themselves other than their intellect and that's a very difficult task because in the end we have to use words somehow to describe a soul-based process that they're trying to use their intellect to resolve, and they really need to use their soul to resolve. Do you see what I'm saying?

Interviewer: Well yeah because I didn't get it before, but now we're talking about it with examples I can relate back to some experiences that I've had and go, "Ah now I know what you mean."

Now I know what's happening, yeah.

Interviewer: But when I first read it, it was like I don't get it.

Yeah and that's how it is for most people. All of these concepts that we're discussing, and we've only discussed two of them at this point, are all soul-based concepts of truth that the intellect itself struggles to even understand. And so what we're trying to do is to try to help an intellect that doesn't understand soul-based concepts of truth that can only be understood by the soul itself and so that's a very difficult task of course to explain truths in that regard. [01:50:24.06]

4.15. Identifying soul progress vs. regression

But what I'm trying to do in this discussion with people is try to help them see how they can measure progress that's actually occurred in their soul and the reasons why they revert to old behaviour. The reason why a person reverts to old behaviour has nothing to do with the fact that they've regressed. They haven't regressed. If something was truly in their soul they could never regress so when they seemingly regress it's because the truth wasn't in their soul in the first place on that subject and it was only in their mind. That's why they can regress. Does that make sense?

Interviewer: I think so. Well I started relating it to something about my own life and then I...

4.15.1. An example of the interviewer drinking alcohol'

Well remember something you've related to me in your own life, you mentioned how when Mary and I went away last trip you just had these burning desires to drink alcohol for some reason (Laughter) and from what you told me you got drunk one night or whatever.

Interviewer: Twice, yes. (Laughs)

And you know obviously you would have felt pretty bad about that at the time but you then viewed that as a regression, but it's not a regression. On this particular subject of alcohol consumption you have not made a shift yet and you've only exercised your mind to make a change. The actual soul-based change has yet to be made. Because once a soul-based change is made you won't even feel a desire for it, in fact you will find it quite repulsive, you'll find the actual...

Interviewer: But I did find it more repulsive than I used to. (Laughs)

Of course but not completely so, obviously...

Interviewer: But not completely repulsive at all.

Because what happened was certain emotions came up inside of you, and you might feel free to discuss those emotions if you want to, you don't have to, but certain emotions came up in you that overcame your repulsion. [01:52:34.16]

Interviewer: Yeah, it was self-punishment that I was going through at the time.

Okay so this is emotions regarding how you feel about yourself were so strong and strongly negative and those weren't ever dealt with and still not dealt with.

Interviewer: And still not, no.

And as a result of that there will be times when you revert to behaviour that you're not proud of through alcohol consumption because the particular thing that drives the desire for alcohol is still present within you.

And so it might appear to be a regression of some kind, but the reality is there was never progression on that subject in the first place for there to be a regression. You're only conscious of it now because of your opening to your soul and your opening to other emotions and your other feelings. You are now conscious of the fact that you know it feels bad when you have alcohol to that degree and you're conscious of that fact, but the reason for doing it has yet to be addressed. And once the reason for doing it is addressed, the error-based beliefs in the soul are released about yourself, about how you feel about yourself, then you won't feel like doing it because you'll feel like, "How could I ever do it? How could I ever harm this beautiful body that I live in?" That's how you will feel inside of yourself. [01:53:58.06]

4.16. Changes in our soul rather than changes in our actions are required for soul growth

This is what I notice quite frequently as well is sometimes people receive intellectually a truth, they try with all their might to live in it and then down the track they give it up. Well my suggestion is that if you can give it up then it was never in your soul in the first place because if it was in your soul you just can't ever give it up; it's as simple as that.

But the problem I feel people have is that they think they can absorb things in their mind and then choose to act differently and that means that they've changed. It means nothing of the sort. All it means is they've accepted it into their mind and as I've said to you during this discussion and during our introduction on the subject, the mind is completely incapable of controlling the soul. The mind is subordinate to the soul. So anything that enters our mind while it's just in our mind has no real capacity to control our soul. We'll have to try and struggle, and try and struggle, try and struggle, try and struggle and occasionally slip up, that's how it will be while the error exists in the soul on the same subject because the truth has yet to enter the soul on that subject.

Interviewer: So it can be a bit tricking for people in that they can change their behaviour and then they look at the whole preclusion idea and go, "Oh look my actions are different therefore my soul condition's different..."

Yes.

Interviewer: ... but it's not.

It would put them under stress.

Interviewer: But then they need to look at their Law of Attraction.

And look what happens under stress. Under stress, your soul if it's got a truth in it, it will not change. Under stress, if your mind has a truth in it but the soul doesn't, you will change. You will change for certain.

4.16.1. An example of drinking alcohol

And that's why under stress, in your case the stress of feeling bad about yourself was higher in terms of its pain than choosing to drink some alcohol was, and as a result you just go ahead and engage the behaviour, that's old behaviour. There's no new behaviour yet really. That old behaviour is still solidified in the soul and will remain so until the reasons for it have left you and gone. [01:56:20.19]

So for example there are some people who drink only when they feel bad about themselves. There are other people who drink for the sake of getting approval from their environment. So the only time they would drink is if they went around at Christmas time to their family or something, somebody offered them a drink, they'll have a drink then. That tells you that the truth has yet to enter their soul on that particular subject for that particular time and it's all related to the error relating to getting approval from the environment, feeling like you're a part of the world.

So the beauty of all of these things occurring is the Law of Attraction, through the soul condition, attracts these events showing to us the error that exists still in the soul. And if we're conscious of it we can say, "Ah, okay this truth has only been in my mind for this entire time."

4.16.2. An example of eating vegan

So for example many people at the moment that we know who have been listening to us for four or five years who have been now eating vegetarian or vegan, we know that many of them have not made a soul shift because you put them in a situation where they're going out to dinner or you put them in a situation where they're with mates or friends, they revert back to the old behaviour, they have not yet made a soul shift. It's just an intellectual shift and therefore really quite pointless actually. And this is one of the things that we must understand with intellectual shifts, they are only advantageous so long as they affect the soul shift. If they do not affect the soul shift, if we live in the false security of an intellectual shift without making a soul shift, it later on is going to affect us quite negatively.

We need to make soul shifts if we're truly going to grow towards God. And if we really want to grow our soul, even to become the perfect natural man, soul shifts are going to be required at some point. Without true soul shifts, we're going to keep reverting to old behaviour until the soul has shifted, and we need to like understand that.

On the Divine Love Path, on The Way to God, God's Way to God, we go through soul shifts very, very rapidly actually if we allow them to occur, if we're humble. But most people are not on the Divine Love Path, even those who claim themselves to be, they're still on the Natural Love Path using their intellect heavily in order to change their behaviour, and as a result of that they are going to revert back to old forms of behaviour fairly consistently until such a time as the soul has actually shifted on the issue. [01:59:12.07]

So we need to understand that really if we're going to progress. And if we're going to progress towards God, we can choose continually if we want to absorb things with our mind without soul shifts, but God's relationship is with our soul it's not with our brain or our mind, it's a soul to soul relationship between our soul and God's. So unless there are true soul shifts inside of our soul, our relationship with God will also never change and that's a very important thing to understand. So I feel that changing your mind does not affect your relationship with God.

4.16.3. An example of our relationship with God

Interviewer: And that's another way to see whether you're changing, to see how your relationship with God is changing.

Exactly. If your relationship with God is much the same as it was ten years ago and you don't feel any closer and you've not received Divine Love since that time or any of those things, then that should tell you that actually the soul has not shifted. You might have thought it shifted in your mind, but the soul itself has not shifted and is yet to shift, otherwise you would have the continually growing relationship with God happening at the soul level that you would feel and it would overcome everything. It would overcome all of the negative influences around you eventually if you kept growing in that way.

So for a lot of people they have not experienced the soul shift, even though they believe they have, and that's a sad thing because then you live in a false sense of security in that place. It's sort of like you're not being honest with yourself but also you're not recognising that God wants a closer relationship with you than that. God wants to have a relationship with your real self, not the fabricated self that you in your mind have created so that you can avoid your real self. [02:01:11.07]

So this is where the mind, like I said, has lots of limitations and it also unfortunately misleads us many times and if the mind is developed without developing qualities of the soul, logic is not possible.

Interviewer: Okay, that was an add-on bit to absorption was it?

That was an add-on bit, yes. I suppose it's a bit of background information about absorption but also about how the mind works and preclusion. And in fact for some of the other principles, what we'll probably do as we discuss some of these principles is we'll probably have more little discussions like that, which come up and illustrate particular points as an amalgamation of the understandings that we're raising.

How the Human Soul Functions: Session 1 Part 2

5. What is dominance?

So the next understanding was the understanding of... what was it?

Interviewer: Dominance.

Dominance! That's it, dominance of the soul. So this is a very important understanding, dominance. Would you like to know what it is?

Interviewer: Yes please. (Laughter) No don't tell us. (Laughs)

No don't tell us, yeah. (Laughs) We'll just continue without. It is a very, very important fact that we must accept if we truly understand our soul, and that is that our soul has been created to dominate the mind and to dominate everything else. Our soul has been created to dominate every single facet of our being.

So if we believe that the mind has been created to be dominant we will be working in direct disharmony with our very creation, the purpose of our very creation. The purpose of our very creation from God's perspective is that our soul dominates everything that we do and everything that we become is dominated by the soul. In fact we are the soul. We are not our mind. Our mind is an attribute or organ of the soul and if we believe ourselves to be our mind only, we are severely limiting our future development. So it's very important to understand dominance.

Dominance is the principle that the soul dominates the mind and has full control over the mind whether the mind believes itself to be in control or not. The mind is not capable of ever having full control of the soul and the soul will always at some point in our future exercise its dominance since that is the purpose of its own creation. I think that's a pretty succinct way of stating this principle of dominance.

Now remember we've talked in our introduction about some of the other organs or characteristics or attributes of the soul besides the mind. We've talked about love, which is about the heart, and another quality humility. It's also about emotions, sentiments, affections, desires, passions, longings; these are all parts of the soul, they are not a part of the mind. The mind can encourage them or try to deny them but they will exist within the soul, these characteristics and attributes.

So these characteristics and attributes can be suppressed and the mind attempt to go through the process of suppressing them but sooner or later in our future progression they will be exposed. Now when I say sooner or later I've known people to go for thousands of years without them being exposed. So it's possible to attempt to suppress them for such a long period of time, but in the end they will be exposed. That is a guarantee because the way the soul's been created is that the soul will dominate the mind and therefore these things - the passions, desires, aspirations, intentions, the heart, the emotion, this emotional sentimental part of our being is always in the end going to dominate what happens to our mind.

5.1. Spirits on the Natural Love Path have to develop their soul to grow in love

Interviewer: So how does it work for natural love spirits who've got to the sixth sphere by using their intellect?

Well they haven't got to the sixth sphere by using their intellect because if they just used their intellect they wouldn't progress one iota from where they arrived in the spirit world.

Interviewer: They inadvertently engaged their soul in the process?

They've had to engage their soul in the process to get to the sixth dimension. The way that they've engaged their soul is they've started to realise with their mind that moral development is an important part of their development. In other words instead of just developing their intellect, they've now made an active choice to develop their morality and by that I mean their morality and ethics in terms of love, the expression of their love.

So instead of doing the things they would normally do, they've made up their mind to develop parts of their soul and to develop those parts of the soul, which the mind accepts, and they've accepted internally that they have to develop their moral code, their internal moral compass. And so what they've done is they've chosen to do that, they've chosen to go through this process through the Law of Compensation, where they firstly go through this process of compensating for all the things they did that were out of harmony with love, but then they've also had to engage new truths by releasing errors of concepts that's they've had about ethics and morals. So they've had to release old beliefs that they've had about immoral behaviour and accept new beliefs about moral behaviour. And they've had to go through this process emotionally. So they have engaged a process of soul-based change but it's been limited to what their mind would allow. So it's only changing through what their mind would have allowed.

So what that means then is that there's this process that they've been naturally engaging, without them even really being aware of engaging that has caused them to change and to grow. And if they had not of engaged that process morally and ethically they would still be in the same location that they began in, in the spirit world. So they've had to make changes in the same way, they've just not engaged God or God's Love or any of God's Truths. When I say any of God's Truths, any of God's Truths about God in the process. They have engaged God's Truths about other things, about the moral laws of the universe and the ethical laws of the universe; they've had to engage those because if they didn't engage those they would never have gotten to become the perfect natural man. [00:06:43.08]

Interviewer: Do they believe that they are still working from the mind then?

They believe they're still working from the mind...

Interviewer: ... but they're not?

But they've made a heap of soul-based changes, which they have used their mind to make. So they've used their mind to assist the soul in releasing error and in getting the new belief. The way they've done that is they've gone through a process of what we often in the spirit world refer to as forgetfulness. They've forgotten the reasons for their own unloving behaviour by accepting new reasons for loving behaviour.

So they have had to change at the soul level and they have had to go through that process and that process is still the same like no matter who you are whether you're on the Divine Love Path or on the Natural Love Path. However on the Divine Love Path it's a much more rapid process because you can receive Divine Love, which transforms the belief systems in your soul if you allow it to, if you allow the emotional release of the error as it goes. And this is a very rapid way of absorbing new truths into the soul because the error has now left and been forgiven and as a result the new truth enters very rapidly and so you can grow quite rapidly. But again you have to have a desire for that truth to enter you, if you have no desire for it to enter you; you will stay stagnant until you have a desire for it to enter you, to actually absorb the new truth. [00:08:11.07]

And that applies whether you're on the Divine Love Path or on the Natural Love Path. If you don't have a desire for a truth and you don't have a desire to live in harmony with a truth, then no change can occur anyway.

5.2. An example of the error that violence is justified in the soul being dominant over the truth that violence is unloving in the mind

Interviewer: Okay well shall we use an example for dominance that you have here?

Yeah, sure!

Interviewer: So the example was about violence again. Violence towards anyone is not loving and the error is, that person has made me angry so violence towards them is justified.

Exactly! So if we look at this point in the point of dominance what we're really saying here is that my soul will dominate my intellect and its ability to reason and its ability to determine the truth on this subject. So while I might have received a concept and like I've said in many of our discussions with people, I've talked to people that violence under any circumstances is out of harmony with love. Now many of them have received this concept in their mind only. So in other words in their mind they can sort of see, "Yeah, I can sort of see why you know violence under any circumstances is unloving." But then put them in a circumstance which is being violent towards themselves or even in the circumstance that is challenging for themselves, many times they still resort to violence.

And the reason why is because they have not respected the fact that their soul will dominate their actions, not their mind. And while their soul has in it justifications for violence, those justifications under certain trigger points will be exposed and will undoubtedly be acted upon. And so they have not understood this principle of dominance. They've not understood that you can't just absorb a thought and have a change. A change has to occur in the soul for the change to actually occur in your day-to-day life because if it doesn't, sooner or later a situation will occur where the soul reverts to its dominance and overcomes the mind's reasoning ability and causes a certain action to be taken that might be out of harmony with truth and love.

And while I believe that my mind is dominant, I am really in a place that's very dangerous because I'll absorb this truth in my mind and absorb that truth in my mind and absorb this truth in my mind thinking that I'm changing and I might even choose through my mind to change my actions and that will tend to indicate to myself that I am changing. But the reality is if my actions are not automatic, I have yet to change. If my actions of love are not automatic, I've yet to change.

5.3. An example of speaking the truth

So if we talk about another example. I've often talked to people about telling the truth in all circumstances and situations. Now for the majority of people this underlying truth of telling the truth in all situations and circumstances hasn't entered their soul. Because you place them in a circumstance or situation where they're afraid of their family or afraid of their friends or afraid of public opinion or whatever fear is triggered, and the truth goes out the window in an instance and they might not tell a lie but they'll sit there not saying the truth either.

Now that is an indication that the truth of always telling the truth has yet to enter their soul. It's certainly entered their mind as a concept and until it enters their soul nothing has really changed. It's just in their mind. Their soul hasn't changed; they haven't grown on the issue. As we talked about, through absorption, we know that we have to release the error in order for this truth of telling the truth all the time to work. Once we release the errors, which are the different circumstances and situations under which we're willing to compromise truth, once we release those we'll never compromise truth in any situation anymore. Then we can say the truth is in our soul, only then. [00:12:33.03]

Before that time it's just an intellectual concept in our mind and our soul error will govern our actions under the circumstances. So we get into a circumstance that we've yet to release the error about. So the circumstance might be, "I badly need approval of others," that might be the circumstance. So whenever that approval of others is threatened, because I've not yet released that error that's out of harmony with God's Love and out of harmony with God's Truth because from my soul, I revert to either speaking a lie or revert to not disclosing the truth. I revert to just shutting up and not disclosing anything.

And that tells me that that's the circumstance I need to find the error. If I use my mind wisely, what I will do then is I will go, "Okay that just told me that my soul's still got the error. Where is the error? Now I know through the circumstance that the error is related to public opinion, how people think about me, so that's where I need to focus my time and effort." I'm finding the error and releasing it so that I can have the truth enter my soul rather than it just being an intellectual concept in my mind.

Interviewer: So that's an example where changing your actions in a more loving direction is beneficial because then that exposes the error in the situation.

Exactly! So if I had really used my mind again to change my actions, I would feel the feeling in that circumstance come up where I could feel I've got to say the truth, I can feel I've got to say the truth and in that moment I would honour that truth, if I have not yet released the error of compromise, I'd be able to. If I had released the error of compromise I would be able to honour that truth and speak up even though I'm terrified, I'd be able to do that. But this is what the situation is telling me, "Ah another situation where I honoured fear over truth, which means the truth of telling the truth has yet to enter my soul." And I need to find out why, what the error is in my soul that's preventing this truth that's in my mind from entering my soul.

5.4. The importance of understanding dominance for soul progression

Now I feel that if most people understood this dominant principle they would realise that their soul is always dominant and it doesn't matter how much they try to exercise their mind for dominance, in the end the soul will always revert to dominance. And in fact that's the way God created it to be. God created our soul to finish up being the dominant part of our nature because the soul is the real self; the mind is just an appendage of the real self. The soul is the real us, the complete unit of the soul has all of these organs of which the mind is only one. And while I'm trying to use one organ to dominate the rest, of course at some point in the future it's not going to work out too well for me. [00:15:38.00]

And this is the problem I feel most people who are mind dominant have is that they are trying, trying, trying, always trying to dominate their soul, their entire being, with one appendage of their soul, and in the end it's never going to work. They're always going to revert to the soul's dominance at some point. And if the soul contains error, then it's going to be the error that dominates. If the soul contains truth, then it will be the truth that dominates. It just depends on what the soul contains as to what the end result will be. If the soul contains love, then love will dominate. But I can believe I'm loving with my mind and at the very same time as that my soul dominant emotions are not loving at all.

And you know we speak very frequently to people about this; we even had a discussion yesterday with a group of people where I talked about with them the dominance of some of their minds over their soul and they're not even aware of their soul's emotions until I talked about them with them. Why is that? That's because they're using their mind to think that I'm good or to think that I'm happy and it's a very arrogant way of operating but it's also a very fear-based generated way of operating and that is, "I'm trying to use my mind to tell me that I'm a good person," when my soul's actions and what I do with my life demonstrates to me actually I'm not as good as I think I am but I'm trying to ignore that as well.

And it's not a natural thing to be loving under those circumstances and what I'm suggesting to people is if we understand dominance, if there's a change in the soul then the change in the soul will be reflected in my day-to-day life instantly. And my soul will dominate my actions and if my soul is loving then all of my actions automatically are dominated by a loving soul. If my soul is unloving then all of my actions will be pretty much relatively easily exposed as being unloving through that process. [00:17:48.27]

And this is where we require some sense of honesty with self. Most people who are still in their mind are not very honest with themselves because they're not honest about the soul and its emotions that still dominate their feelings and their actions. They try to ignore their soul all the time and that's very, very dangerous to ignore your soul in any form of development.

Interviewer: I was just going to say in neuroscience there's actually this whole area of research about trying to get the mind to control feelings. And there's this whole idea of how to treat anxiety and post traumatic stress disorders, which is all about training the mind to try and suppress the emotions. They know it doesn't work because they put the person and even animals; they put an animal in another situation...

Yes, and it reverts...

Interviewer: ... and it reverts back.

To old behaviour.

Interviewer: Yes, and they're trying really hard to get it to work.

It's strange, isn't it? And in a way that's a reflection of the intellectual dominance of the people doing the experiment and the lack of understanding of their own soul, and how the soul has been created to be dominant. And we can temporarily or partially suppress the soul with our mind but it's never going to work for good, it can never work for good.

5.4.1. An analogy of maintaining a house

I often liken it to nature, where you can maintain a home for example. We build a home out of dead material and we have to maintain it because we built it out of dead material. So we spend all of our time maintaining it because normally the elements will eat the dead material and put it into nothing unless we maintain it. So we choose to build it out of dead material and then maintain it and we have to maintain it, but as soon as we die or we leave the home, we come back a year later and it's a mess. Why is it a mess? Because nature reverts to its normal natural process and in the case of a home, nature eats dead material, that's what it does that's its natural process; it converts dead material into matter that can be used to support life. So it uses it as food for life and that's it's natural process and because that's its natural process we come back a year later and our house is a mess, everything inside's a mess there's spiders, there's living creatures everywhere, there's paint peeling off, all sorts of things more so even than if we were in it, this terrible destruction occurs.

Now we say that's a natural process and what we're trying to do with maintaining our home is work against the natural process. That's almost like an analogy for what we do with our soul. We're often using our mind to work against the natural process of our soul. In the end it's going to require maintenance, in other words constant upkeep, constant trying, constant demand upon us, constant demand upon our attention and so forth. It's just going to be completely overwhelming eventually for us because we don't understand that the nature of the soul is that the soul controls, not the mind.

Now if we instead of doing that, for example with the house, instead of building a house out of dead material, we worked out, "Okay nature eats dead material but it doesn't eat live material so if I build my house out of live materials somehow, if I come up with some technologies that are alive and build my house out of live material, nothing's going to eat it. It's going to survive for good..."

Interviewer: It's going to get bigger. (Laughs)

Yeah it might even grow and I won't have to maintain it. Now that same principle applies with our soul. The same principle is, if I now start working on my soul, which is naturally dominant and I promote its dominance rather than trying to suppress its dominance, and I work on anything inside of my soul that creates a dominance in an unloving direction and I release that from my soul, then what I'm going to be left with is an automatic natural process that I will not have to upkeep, that's what I'm going to be left with. [00:21:58.28]

I'm going to be able to have no effort in my progression, my future progression under those circumstances, because my soul has learnt that it's dominant and everything then as a result respects the dominance of the soul. And because we respect the dominance of the soul, we realise that anything that we do or attract that's out of harmony with love, we realise we have to release something that's inside of the soul so that we can release that part of the soul's dominance that's negative and so we release it and we're left with only loving things that dominate our soul. Now that would be a far more logical process to follow if we understood our soul and we understood the principle of dominance.

What I feel is that most people still don't understand that principle and they're working with their mind, working with their mind, trying to change their actions, changing their actions. A lot of people have become vegans just because Jesus talked about it in an interview or some kind of presentation, but they haven't had a shift in their soul. What's the point of doing that? Why not stay eating meat and feel guilty about it? That would probably be better. You might change faster there and work out what's going on in the soul.

You see a lot of people change their actions without changing their soul. The best course of action is to change your actions but always be conscious that unless the soul changes, changing the action is not going to have any long-term benefit to you. That's the best course of action. So when you notice something is out of harmony with law, with God's Law of Love, change your action. But understand that changing your action is not the end of it because unless something changes in your soul that allowed you to perform the previous unloving action, unless that is released from you, your soul has not changed. And unless your soul changes, you're not going to get closer to God, you're not going to be closer to yourself, you're not going to realise the power and the potential of the soul.

So when I understand dominance I will stop using my mind just to change my actions all the time and I will start using my mind to assist the soul to find the reasons why I have a certain action and release the reason, the error, inside of the soul, that's how I would use my mind. I will focus my mind on using it to expose the error and allow its experience so that it leaves me instead of using my mind to suppress the error and cover over the experience, which is the way most people are using their mind. [00:24:40.24]

Interviewer: Because of the way that God's designed it, it's only going to work for a little while.

Exactly! It can only work for a while. Now when I say a little while...

Interviewer: Thousands of years. (Laughs)

In an eternal existence then it might in extreme cases work for a thousand years or a few thousand years but in the end it cannot work for good because God's created the soul to dominate. And so I've met people who've got to the sixth dimension of the spirit world who have not progressed further for two thousand years, but when you talk to them I can feel in their soul the dissatisfaction. There are little points of dissatisfaction that the soul's starting to revert and start to dominate again, it's feeling its dissatisfaction, the dissatisfaction of not having a relationship with God; it feels.

And so the soul is still, even though they're trying to suppress it with their intellect, their mind, and distracted it with as many distractions as possible through two thousand or three thousand or five thousand years of life, in the end the soul's still going, "Listen to me, listen to me. You're not listening to me." (Laughs) The soul has been designed to do that. God designed the soul in a very clever way and it's been designed to constantly badger us when it knows something is not right and to dominate us even though we might try to intellectually dominate it for most of our existence. [00:26:13.09]

5.5. Summary of dominance

So that was the point of dominance. So we've now got the three principles that we've looked at. We've looked at the preclusion principle, which is the state of the soul currently, we've looked at the absorption principle, which is the state of how we can grow the soul and then if we look at this principle of dominance, we're now looking at what we should be focussing on if we're going to develop.

We need to stop the focus on intellectual development and mind-based development and we need to start really feeling, because remember our soul is emotions, sentiment, desire, passion, longing, aspiration, feeling, sensory, fervour, excitement, all these kinds of feelings are a part of our soul, these are all a part of the soul's organs. And so what we do is we start focussing on the development of them rather than the suppression of them. And now, rather than using our mind to try and dominate the soul we go, "Okay I give up." In our mind we go, "I give up. The soul, is more dominant, the emotions and all these other feelings that we've described, all these sensory feelings are always going to dominate me." What I need to do is to bring them into harmony with love and truth, that's what I need to choose to do.

And now I can use my will, which comes from my soul and my mind as an intellectual tool to actually allow the development and dominance of these particular things, but only allow the dominance in the direction of developing further in love and truth. In other words whenever I notice an error I want to release the error rather than live in the error. I want to get rid of the error from myself rather than stay in it all the time. [00:28:20.27]

And I feel if people focus their attention on that with their mind and use their mind as a tool of the soul to help the soul do its thing, then they would find progress much more rapid. So that's the principle of dominance.

5.6. The beauty of God's design of the soul

How are you going so far with our discussion?

Interviewer: I'm enjoying it. It's so interesting. It's bringing together lots of things in terms of just a bit over there, a bit over there and a bit over there and now it's kind of all making sense a bit more.

Yeah I sort of feel for a lot of people it's like they've heard me say a lot of different things but not really understood that it's the way the soul's been created to work. There's not that underlying understanding that God's designed it this way.

Interviewer: It's so clever, it's so cool. It's just remarkable.

Well everything God does is so clever, hey.

Interviewer: It's like I've got to think about that one and just go wow for ages.

Yeah, and that's what I like about a lot of this material is that it illustrates that it's all by design. I think one of the biggest problems that I see is that people on Earth sort of believe that everything that happens to them and everything that happens around them is some sort of happenstance, some sort of chance that dictates everything. And because they don't understand the principle of the soul they don't understand that actually no there's nothing happening here by chance, it's all by design. Everything that's going on is by design and the way the soul works is by design. You can try to circumvent the design, you can try to work around the design for a period of time, but it's going to require huge amounts of effort, constant, constant effort.

If you work with the design, you get this beautiful smooth thing starting to occur. It's a bit like what I notice mankind doing with a lot of things on the planet with regard to nature even; we're constantly working against the design. Things have been designed a certain way and we're constantly working in the opposite direction. We spend a lot of our lives maintaining things and that's because we're working against their design constantly. If we worked with their design, we wouldn't need to maintain anything. [00:31:12.14]

And that also applies to the soul. If we work against its design it's going to require constant work, constant pressure, constant effort. We're going to be constantly disappointed because we're going to have to make constant adjustments. But if we work with the soul, we'll get to the point where it requires no effort at all and that's the beauty of what God has created by design. The way the soul works is all by design.

So far we've learned about this dominance, that's by design; God designed our soul to be dominant. God designed our soul that truth and error can't exist in the soul at the same time and God designed our soul that truth can't enter it while error is in it, that's by design. The process of absorption is by design. So these are all things that God has designed into our soul and we're constantly trying to work against it. That's what I see happening on the planet, we want it to be a different way. A lot of times it's probably because of the fourth and fifth points that we're going to discover, progression and resistance, which are a lot about pain and suffering. That's why we often want it to be a different way. But even that is by design. Every time God has created this framework of laws and every law that we follow that's in harmony with the law by design we're going to experience joy, happiness and peace and a lot of other beautiful emotions. Every time with these laws that we go away from their design, what they're designed to do out of harmony with love, whenever we act out of harmony with the law of love, by design there's a corrective process. It's all by design.

We're rebelling against the design thinking that we know better but if we thought about it clearly, we could see that if this body is designed so cleverly, then surely the universe in which it's in is probably going to be designed even more cleverly and the framework in which the universe in which we live is probably also going to be even more clever than that again. We'd understand it's all by design, but unfortunately we don't go down that track. What we do instead is we rebel against the design. So we're constantly trying to use our body, use our soul, use our mind and all of the things that are a part of ourselves in a way that's directly opposing its design. [00:33:43.00]

Interviewer: And we're saying that we're the intelligent ones. (Laughs)

Yeah and we're saying we're the intelligent ones. (Laughs)

Interviewer: Aren't we brilliant.

Yeah, aren't we brilliant we can use something outside of its design. (Laughs) And of course we're going to get a lot of pain and suffering in that process and we go, "Why are we having so much pain and suffering?"

Interviewer: "It's a flaw to evolution."

Exactly and the reality is it's by design. We're going to have pain and suffering every time we use something outside of its design parameters. You grab a knife and you use it inside its design parameters there's no pain and suffering, but you grab a knife and use it outside of its design parameters, outside of its purpose for which it has been designed, there's going to be pain and suffering. There could even be death, and a lot of physical pain to the body and so forth can result using it out of harmony with the real purpose of its design, or if we could say, the loving purpose of its design. [00:34:40.25]

And with God, everything that God has designed has a loving purpose, all the laws God's designed have a loving purpose. God doesn't design anything without a loving purpose and we're there rebelling, rebelling, rebelling (laughs), trying to use our soul outside of the parameters it was designed, and of course we're going to end up with a lot of pain and suffering as a result.

6. What is progression?

The point of understanding progression: so up until this point we're now starting to establish some basic parameters for the soul. We've got the parameter of preclusion, so we know now that truth and error can't exist in the soul at the same time. We understand absorption, we understand that truth can't enter the soul while error exists in it, love can't enter the soul while hatred exists in it on the same subject at the same time. All of these principles are true. So we understand that the soul was created to be dominant so now we're getting a bit of a picture of how we need to develop our soul. And then there's this issue of how do we now develop our soul. How does the soul actually progress, what do we do to actually help the soul progress? And this is the point about understanding the truth about progression of the soul.

6.1. Progression involves the experience of pain and pleasure

So what I've said about this truth is that progression is the principle that; true progression within the soul can only be obtained through an emotional process that will involve both pain, which is associated with emotions related to error, and pleasure, which is associated with emotions relating to truth. If the soul denies either pain or pleasure or uses its mind to deny pain or pleasure, progression cannot occur. [00:36:43.07]

So I think it's pretty obvious what that means. It means that if we are always trying to control the outcome of our feelings when it comes to our soul with our mind, then it is going to be very, very difficult for our soul to progress. We can't progress without experiencing pain or pleasure. Both pain and pleasure generally.

Now we get to a point when all pain is released. So once we get to the point of at-onement with God all pain is released and from that moment on we cannot progress without pleasure. But until that point error exists within the soul and error is always associated with pain, so we cannot progress to that point without allowing both pain and pleasure.

If you think about it the more error that we have within our soul, the more pain we will need to experience in order to have it released. But it will be a combination of pain and pleasure, not just pain only. And this is what I feel many people miss when it comes to emotional work. They do not understand the pleasure of accepting truth; they only understand the pain of releasing error. But we need both. If we truly progress, we will have both pain and pleasure.

So if we suppress pleasure, which many people have taught themselves to do as much as they've taught themselves to suppress pain, we're going to really have a lot of struggle in terms of progressing towards God because as we get closer and closer to God, we will have more and more pleasure. So obviously if we're resistant to pleasure, at some point where we stagnate in our progression of the soul.

Now if you think about pain and pleasure, the mind is capable of neither. It's only the sensations that are a part of our physical and spiritual body and also a part of our soul that are capable of experiencing these particular feelings. They are sensory and emotional; they are not an intellectual thought. They are sensory and emotional experiences. So this is why we must understand that pain and pleasure are a part of our progression. [00:39:24.02]

So this principle of progression is the principle that we will not be able to progress unless we experience both pain and pleasure, particularly if we're not yet at-one with God. Once we're at-one with God there'll be no more pain to experience and of course we still need to be open to pleasure otherwise we cannot progress beyond that point. We cannot progress further in more knowledge and more love with God while we are still resistant to pleasure. So we need to have no resistance to pleasure and no resistance to pain.

Now unfortunately for the majority of people on the planet, we've got usually what we believe is no resistance to pleasure, but at the same time we've got huge resistances to pain, emotional and physical. As a result, since pain is only associated with error, it will be impossible for us to release error while we're shutting down pain, and that's an important thing to understand about the soul. If I shut down, if I use my mind to shut down pain, if I shut down the experience of pain, if I avoid the experience of pain, if I run away or deny the experience of pain, I am shutting down the release of error and if I don't release error, truth cannot enter me on that same subject that I'm not releasing error about.

So I'm causing my own stagnation if I do that. And this is the principle of progression. We need to understand what really causes progression and it's the ability to freely accept both our pain and our pleasure. And if you think about it that is a humble state, to be able to freely accept our own pain and pleasure; we're humble to both sets of emotions. [00:41:27.04]

6.2. Experiencing joy as we learn new truths

Interviewer: So you've talked about, in the past, how you can absorb a new truth and it can bring you pleasure. But sometimes when you've released an error and it's been painful and then the truth comes in, that's not necessarily associated with a pleasurable experience at that point in time, is it?

I don't know if I'd agree with that Lula, because in every case that I've ever received the truth it's always been a pleasurable experience. I might have cried during the experience in joy in many cases. Or there are sometimes, as you receive a truth, new errors become exposed and they will often be then painful as a result. So it depends how rapidly you can process emotion in the end, doesn't it? So sometimes when you receive a new truth that triggers an acknowledgement of further error, which then of course has a whole heap of emotions associated with it that are painful, so that sometimes occurs, and often does occur when you're on the path with God, because you rapidly go from one emotion to another emotion sometimes during that process.

6.2.1. An example of learning the truth that violence is never loving

So remember in a previous example that I used, on a previous point, I used the example of slowly becoming aware that violence perpetrated by my parents was actually an assault on myself. So remember how I explained during how one particular aspect of truth, once it's absorbed by my soul, because I've released the error, exposed another error that then meant I had to process some more emotion. And so this is why sometimes people who are progressing on the Divine Love Path feel there's no joy because they go from one error, release it, absorb the truth very rapidly and they don't notice the joy of absorbing a truth because it triggers the awareness of another error. And as a result of that they then have more pain as a result of that awareness of this new error.

Now that is just a natural process, but when they look at the truths in retrospect, they will always feel a joy associated with acknowledgement of that truth. So for example, once I acknowledge to myself emotionally and it enters my soul as a truth, that any person who perpetrates violence towards me is unloving; this becomes a joy to acknowledge because now I have the ability to determine what is unloving behaviour towards myself and therefore I have an ability to recognise who is loving in my life and who is not. And that means that I can make a choice and spend more time with the people who are loving, and therefore have more joy in my life as a result. [00:44:12.26]

So when we look in retrospect to all of the truths we will always feel them with joy.

Interviewer: But in the process of remembering the truth or acknowledging the truth of well my parents were really unloving to me in that situation, that doesn't feel good.

Well it does actually. I don't know about you but it has felt good for me because I've recognised that my feelings about that subject of violence were real, were true, and so I'm now acknowledging a part of my soul as containing truth that I would never have acknowledged before.

Interviewer: You're celebrating the process.

I'm celebrating, yeah. I feel this is where a lot of people lose their joy in the process. They're not celebrating the truths they learn and you can celebrate them, like all of the truths that we learn need to be celebrated because they're all causing the growth of your soul. And I'm not saying they are truths that you learn intellectually because you won't celebrate those because that's just a thought. The truths that you will actually celebrate are the truths that are now in your soul as an emotion, you will definitely celebrate those.

So I would suggest to people that if they're not celebrating the truth, then it's yet to really enter them emotionally because of an error. In all cases I've found that to be the case. So for example, if I can't celebrate the truth that my parents treated me badly as a child it's because I still have yet to release sadness about my parents treating me badly as a child.

And once I release the error or release the feeling, the grief associated with the feeling that my parents treated me badly as a child, I will be able to celebrate the truth of my acknowledgement of that fact, and it will be a celebration in me. I'd go, "Wow, this is changing my life. Now I realise I don't have to accept this poor behaviour from people who say they love me but who act like they don't. I don't have to accept this anymore." How much would that change my life if I really felt that inside of myself and celebrated that truth? [00:46:27.17]

So I feel what's happening for a lot of people is they can't celebrate the truth yet because they're yet to release the error on the same subject fully. And once you've released the error on a subject fully, you will always celebrate the truth of it. It doesn't matter how horrific it is even, you'll always celebrate the truth of it.

And also there's an underlying thing that occurs and that is you're now honouring the dominance of your soul, and there's a lot of joy in that you'll always feel joy in honouring the dominance of your soul. So there are all these joys that result if you...

Interviewer: Because your behaviour has changed.

Because your behaviour has changed; but not only that, you've honoured your past experience now fully. You've honoured the fact that you've been hurt instead of denying it and shoving it down and saying it never happened and trying to get away, run away from it all your life and it affecting all the different choices and decisions that you've made throughout your life. You've now honoured the fact that all of that rubbish that happened in my life, that painful suffering experience that I had all came from this and I've now honoured my experience of that so much that now it's stopped all of this unloving behaviour and all of these unloving actions and all of these unloving results and all of these painful results that have caused my suffering. And I can rejoice in that, I can be happy about that. And I know once you've gone through that process, you know for certain, you will never revert to allowing that or revert to feeling, in the example I've given, that somebody who's violent with you is loving you, you'll never again, ever, consider that as truth.

And that's a beautiful thing too because that gives you the ability to choose your associates wisely now. So instead of accepting unloving behaviour as loving and accepting violence as loving, you're now never going to do that. So who are you going to be with? You're going to be with people who are never going to be violent towards you as a result of that. So it gives you the power to make choices in your life that love you further. And you'll always think the reason why this power came was because I let go of that error and I let go of that pain that I had about my parents. I let go of all of that and as a result of that this is why my life has changed. And you'll always have that joy of that experience of knowing that.

And so yeah I feel if a person isn't experiencing joy in the processing of error and the absorption of truth, obviously in the processing of error there won't be much joy in that, but the absorption of truth, it's because the error on the same subject has yet to fully leave them. [00:49:12.14]

Interviewer: So I guess this is why you get happier and happier and happier and happier.

Exactly!

Interviewer: Because you're fully releasing more and more and more and then you're celebrating more of the truths.

Exactly!

Interviewer: And you have less crap left in your soul.

Exactly and you have more love enter your soul from God and from your surroundings and as a result of that you feel better about yourself, you have more worth and so forth and so there are so many advantages.

Interviewer: No wonder it's exponential.

Yeah.

6.2.2. Reasons for not experiencing more joy on the Divine Love Path

If that is not happening, then you're not being real about the path; you're not following the path if that's not happening. If that's not happening then something is wrong with what you're doing and I feel for many people there are things wrong with what they're doing. They're embroiling themselves in emotions that are not theirs or they're embroiling themselves in experiences where they're not being truthful or honest with themselves about what's going on. They're not happy with releasing error, they rebel against releasing error and that causes a lot of pain. They continually break God's Laws, which causes more pain. They still are in rebellion against God, which causes more pain and unless you change some of these behaviours which can only change by getting rid of the error in the soul that creates them, there will be the continuous creation of pain and the more sensitive we become to our soul, the more we're going to feel it. [00:50:32.16]

And I feel if you look at the planet right now, in 2013, there's a lot of pain on the planet. There's a lot of pain on the planet as a result of people choosing to rebel, of people choosing to rebel against God's Laws, in the end. And as I discussed with a group yesterday, we often say, "well I don't want to go back to my painful childhood experiences because I'm in too much pain about my current experiences, right?" But we don't understand our current experiences are caused by our dominant soul exercising itself in a direction that's in disharmony with God's Laws of Love, that's why we have pain.

So if I could help my dominant soul through this process of progression to progress from the state of exercising its will dominantly in a negative direction out of harmony with love into exercising its will dominantly in a process that's in harmony with love, then my pain and suffering in my current life will reduce and I'll have much easier ability to connect with old pain and suffering as well and release that through that process. So that's what I would encourage people to do.

6.3. Progression is an emotional process designed by God

Now that's what this point of progression is all about; understanding that progression is not possible without an emotional process, it's not possible. You can intellectually absorb something, and even if it is a truth that you're letting into your soul and there's no error in your soul already precluding the truth from entering, it will be an emotional process as it enters you. But it will be an emotional process of pleasure. You'll cry in joy of receiving this truth and then it will be in your heart, then it will be in your soul.

If there was error in your soul and you're trying to absorb this truth into your soul, then the error must first be released according to the process of absorption that we've already discussed. It has to be released. If I allow its release by allowing dominance, allowing the dominance of my soul to dominate how it feels and how I feel in that process and I allow its release, then what will happen is the truth will enter me as a joyful process after that or maybe during that process. And the painful process of releasing error will also need to occur. As long as I am not selective about pain and pleasure, it will all happen naturally. But as soon as I get selective about pain and pleasure, the entire process will shut down because God created our soul to experience all feelings and sensations whether they are painful or pleasurable. It is by design that God did that. [00:53:30.04]

We must understand that all of these principles that we're discussing are not my ideas or concepts, they are God's design of the human soul. They are how God designed the human soul to operate and all I need to do is come to understand it. It's not my idea; I've had to come to understand it just like I'm trying to share with other people to help them understand it. If we understand it, we work with it. If we don't understand it or we deny it or we try to work against it, the results are always going to be pain and suffering that we see, always.

6.4. An example of progressing by releasing the error that violence is justified and absorbing the truth that violence is never loving

Interviewer: Would you like to have an example for progression?

Sure, let's do that.

Interviewer: So the example was the same one as we had for the one before. The truth is; violence towards anyone is not loving. And the error is; that person made me angry so violence towards them was justified.

Okay. So now we're looking at this same situation we've looked at in the other principles of the soul. We're looking at it in respect of this particular principle of progression. So what we're doing is we're relating progression to how do I progress on this issue of violence, like how do I actually change my soul to work through the issues so that eventually I come out the other end where I accept in my soul that I would never be able to be violent again. How do I get to that point? That's really the question.

And the answer to that is, well how did this violence get in the soul? How did this desire for violence get in the soul? Well it got into the soul by the child being taught through a process in its childhood somewhere that violence and love go hand in hand under some circumstances and that violence is justified under some circumstances. And as an adult now, I need to understand my justifications for violence and release every single one of them if I'm truly ever going to be non-violent in my future.

So to do that, I'm going to have to go through a process, a painful process, of releasing every belief that I have of justification for violence. And I also will need to go through the joyful process receiving the new truth of why under those circumstances there's no justification for violence. And that's a process that I'll have to go through if I want to grow or change on the particular subject. [00:56:16.07]

So if a child is taught through the parent's example of treatment of the child that a person who loves them can also sometimes be violent with them, this teaching will have entered the child through a painful emotional process. The painful emotional process is the parent has been violent with a child and there's been physical touch usually involved in it, usually a belting or some kind of violent process, which has been physically painful to the child. It's also been emotionally painful for the child because the child up until that point trusted that this parent would act in harmony where it's never violent, never unloving, and now all of a sudden they're receiving a lot of pain from this person they trust. So there are a lot of broken feelings inside the child, emotional feelings about trust and who they can trust and what they can trust are all going on at the same time. It's a very painful emotional experience that's entered the child. How is it going to be released? By the child feeling it.

Now what happened most of the time was that the child wasn't allowed to feel it, the child was suppressed from feeling that and so now that we're an adult, we're going to have to go back to that time in our life and actually feel it to release it. To release the truth that's in our soul that's actually an error from God's perspective, but it's a truth of what happened to us, and we have to release it. So we have to go through the painful emotional experience of releasing it and then we come out the other side of that painful emotional experience with our soul through this process of absorption, now our soul is open to receiving the truth. Our soul is now going, "Okay the error's gone, what's the truth now?" and the truth now can be quite easily absorbed, and we can go through the pleasurable process of realising the truth after that point.

Now often as you pointed out it's not a thing that happens overnight on one occasion. It's gradual, where you release this point and that point of error and then you absorb this point and that point of truth and then you release that point of error and absorb this point of truth. And often in one large subject there may be hundreds of little subjects in which truth and error will conflict and therefore while the error exists the truth won't enter. So we have to release the error on that little subject for the truth to enter on that little subject and often that builds into the entire subject then being completed at some point in our future. So you can't expect that to happen overnight, there's no such thing as the overnight transformation of the soul and I suggest that if anybody says there is then they've probably just been over-cloaked by a spirit who's helped them be a completely different person because there is no such thing as the overnight transformation of the soul. So it is going to be a gradual process. [00:59:17.23]

How fast it happens will depend on how much we understand our soul. If we understand our soul, these points that we've been raising and that's the way it's been designed, then we'll work in harmony with its design rather than always trying to work against it. Therefore if we're working in harmony with it, the soul will progress quite rapidly.

So that's the issue of progression and how progression works.

7. What is resistance?

Well the next point we'd like to discuss about the soul and how it operates is this point of resistance, understanding resistance, what resistance of the soul is all about.

Interviewer: Tell me about resistance.

Resistance is the principle that; truth enters the soul when there is no emotional impediment as error resisting the absorption of the truth. Error enters the soul when there is no emotional impediment as truth resisting the absorption of the error. Emotional impediments are under the control of the will of the individual in that the will can be exercised to emotionally release the reason for resistance, and this is a part of humility.

So we're now putting together a lot of the principles that we've been talking about and determining well why do we become stagnant, why do we stop progressing, what's the reason why progress ebbs and flows? So we've discussed already now the points about progression and what's going to be needed for progression, that's the understanding that we need to do some emotional work that's going to be both painful and pleasurable in the process. And there's this issue of dominance that we want to encourage the soul to be dominant, not suppress it. We want to encourage its emotions not suppress them and absorption states that we can't have a truth enter us unless some kind of error leaves. [01:01:22.24]

7.1. Resistance is emotional

Now if we put all that together, every single time we get into a state of resistance, basically what it's telling us is that there's an emotional thing inside of us that's causing the resistance. It's not some kind of intellectual thing that we have to go through in order to stop resisting, there's some emotion, there's some kind of emotional impediment inside of our soul, And we're using our will to hold onto it. That's the principle of resistance. We are exercising our free will, this gift, this beautiful precious gift that God has given our soul, to shut down the painful experience and if we exercise our soul to shut down a painful experience, we are going to be resistive to anything being absorbed into the soul.

Now we can be in error and resist truth or we can be in truth and resist error, either way it's going to happen. My suggestion is we use our will to always release error and if we use our will to always release error, then we will never hit a point of resistance. We will never hit the point where we stagnate, where we slow down and stop in our progression.

7.2. Resistance results from using our will out of harmony with the soul's design

In actual practise, for the majority of people, we hit resistance all the time; we don't want to experience the pain of the emotional error that exists in our soul. We want then to maintain intellectual dominance over our emotion. We want to avoid the process of absorption; we also want to avoid progression. Now of course if we're avoiding all of those things, the only subsequent result can be resistance, can be stagnation, can be stopping in our progress of the soul. And we need to understand the power of our will exercised in this regard. It's our will being exercised out of harmony with its design that causes us to go into stagnation. [01:03:33.01]

So whenever we feel stagnant or whenever we feel resistive to absorbing new truth, if we thought about it and go, "Hang on a sec, this isn't very clever," we're now using our will in complete disharmony with the way in which God created the design of our soul. Why would we do that? That's such a silly thing to do; we'd be better off definitely changing that particular course of action.

I feel we need to understand that resistance is not about anything external. So in all of this I haven't mentioned anything that it's like your fault that I can't do something. It's not your fault, or Igor's fault or anybody's fault that I can't do anything. It's because of my choice to exercise my will out of harmony with God's original design that causes me to go into a place of stagnation. It's not because of anything you did. It's not because of anything you tried to stop me doing; I might imagine it to be but it's not. The reality is I can use my will every single time, every single time, to engage a place of no resistance.

Now if I understood that principle fully, I would probably find myself getting into progressively less resistance as I went on because the more of that truth that I let into my soul, the less I'd be tempted into resistance, because I'd realise that there's a negative effect for any resistance. I'd realise that every time I resist something, all I am doing is working against the design of my own soul, which is not a very logical choice to make.

7.2.1. Resistance can be understandable in children

Now the only time when I feel that such an action is understandable is when we were children. You see when we're children we're often put into situations that we cannot get out of and a result of that we suppress certain emotions in order to cope with the situation. So for example sometimes as a child we were smacked by our parents, we then start crying but our parent tells us if we cry anymore I'll smack you again. Now that's a very confusing thing for the child because it's already experiencing the pain of the previous assault and now it's being threatened with another assault for feeling the results of the previous one.

Now in that circumstance the child will probably learn to close itself down and that's understandable but when we're an adult it is not understandable to do that; there's no reason to make those choices as an adult. Even if violence is perpetrated towards us regularly, there's no reason to continue that because we, as an adult, understand we have the power to release. In fact our soul has been created to release and as long as I release I am working in harmony with my soul's design. Whereas as a child we don't understand that, nobody's taught us that so we don't understand that. But now that we understand this truth, we can at least work in harmony with its design as an adult. [01:06:56.07]

So I feel the only time when the process of resistance is something that you can truly understand is when a child is in resistance, rather than an adult being in resistance. Unfortunately we often find the reverse and that is a child is rarely in resistance unless an adult forces it into such and an adult is often in resistance even when nobody is forcing them to do anything. So that's something that we do need to change, that's another error in the soul that needs to be released; this desire to stop the process of release. The child does not generally have a desire to stop the process of release unless it's received plenty of encouragement in that direction by its environment before that time. Whereas an adult living by itself or even with a partner has no reason to not release, there's no logical reason to not release. They're no longer being dominated in that circumstance by another, although they may have attracted somebody, maybe their partner, who dominates them, but even so there's still no reason to not release if they trusted the mechanism of the soul, if they trusted God's design.

7.3. Resistance is emotional (continued)

Interviewer: So if they trusted the fact that there's just one emotion they need to get rid of and then it will all flow, it's just another feeling they have to feel.

It's just another feeling, they wouldn't have this feeling of being afraid of their feelings all the time, they'd go, "It's just another feeling, even if it's fear or terror, it's just another feeling. All I need to do is release it and the error can leave me and then a new truth can enter me. I can grow if I allow this feeling to flow," and they wouldn't worry so much about their feelings and what they would be. All they would do is use or exercise their mind in a loving direction to support their feeling. So they wouldn't dump their feeling on everyone around them all the time. They would use their mind to support the processing of the feeling in a way that wouldn't harm other people or themselves, that's what they would do.

So they wouldn't even choose to harm themselves, they wouldn't choose to cut themselves up or hurt themselves in any way or bash themselves. They wouldn't choose to commit suicide, which is the ultimate self-hurt or self rage. And they wouldn't choose to do any of those things because all of those things would be more out of harmony with love. They would choose just to feel the feeling no matter how intense it is and no matter how painful it is, knowing that if I fully express and experience this feeling, the error leaves me and now the truth can enter me and my life will change. That's the beauty. [01:09:36.13]

7.4. Resistance is futile

So I suppose we could say resistance is futile (laughs) but the reality is most of us don't believe that, most of us believe that resistance is a powerful place.

Interviewer: We believe that we can avoid our pain forever, and it's not going to control our lives and everything that happens to us.

But if I truly understood dominance, then I would also understand that resistance is futile because sooner or later if there is error and pain in my soul it's going to have to come out. It's going to come out one way or another and I can either aid that process in a logical and coherent way, so use my mind to aid the process or I can suppress the process and fight it for the rest of my existence, which means it's just going to take longer that's all. I can do one or the other.

Now it's not very logical to make something take ten years that could take one year. And it's not very logical to make something take a thousand years when it could have taken one year. And my suggestion is with resistance, notice when you're in resistance. You're in resistance every time you exercise your will to deny a painful experience. And you'll also be denying pleasure in that place because the soul is not able to distinguish feelings between pain and pleasure and selectively feel them without using the mind, and we're saying the mind can no longer be dominant.

What we're saying is the soul needs to be allowed to experience its thing, it needs to do its stuff and the only way we're going to allow it to do its stuff is by allowing it to feel everything, which includes its pain and its pleasure. If we try to shut down either, we are going to be creating a major problem for our soul in the future and a major problem in terms of development of our soul. Our soul cannot develop while it's being shut down in one or the other or both directions.

7.5. Discovering the reasons for our resistance

So I'd encourage people to notice when they're resistive. Quite often you know a person comes up to me and says, "I haven't made much progress in the last year and I'm not really sure why that is." And I'm saying, "Why aren't you sure? You're obviously in resistance. You should be sure of what is creating your resistance. Like I know what's creating my resistance. Why don't you know what's creating yours?" [01:11:59.27]

Interviewer: So it's one or the other basically; you're in resistance or you're progressing?

That's right. You're either resistant or you're progressing, there's no real middle state from those two places. You're either in progression and fully engaging progression or you're in resistance and sometimes you can be in resistance on one issue and progressing on another, that is possible. But when it comes to each issue individually, you're either in resistance or you're in progression, which one? My suggestion to people is at least know why you're in resistance, at least know. (Laughs) Don't ignore it, don't try to make out that you're not when you are because nothing will happen then. If you make out that you're doing something that you're not doing of course nothing can happen so be real about it. "I know that I'm resisting this issue," work out why; use your mind to find the reasons why you're in resistance to this issue. And then allow, once you become aware of the emotions involved, allow the emotions to be processed so that you're no longer in resistance.

7.6. God designed the soul to grow

The soul's natural state is to grow. Again we can do an analogy with nature. You plant a tree, it would make no sense to put a complete structure around a tree that would normally grow thirty, forty or fifty metres high and to put a structure around the tree so that the tree could only grow one metre high and then to do everything possible to stop the growth of the tree. But that's what we're doing with our souls. [01:13:36.03]

Our soul is made to grow. God designed it that way, to grow; God designed our soul to exponentially grow continuously ad infinitum. That's how God created our soul. So it's not like our soul's limited to being fifty metres high, our soul is not a limited creature if we receive Divine Love. So why would you choose to limit it? That can only be an error of some kind that would cause such a choice. So find it and release it, don't live with it because while you're living in it you're putting structures around your soul to constrain it and that's going to damage its development. So you don't want to do that. You don't want to ever resist and particularly knowingly resist.

Interviewer: I do that plenty. (Laughs)

Well find the reason; my suggestion would be to find the reason why. What is it about growth that is challenging? Or why do you wish to resist? What is it? And for a lot of people generally it's the pain, it's the fear of pain, not understanding that pain is a healing process. When you release it and experience pain it's a healing process. Most people still resist pain and as a result of that they can't grow. That's why they get resistive.

Many people I also find are not coping with overwhelm, they're not coping with being overwhelmed emotionally. To grow in its emotional expression your soul must be overwhelmed, that's how it gets stretched. It's sort of like getting a balloon and deciding to not put any air in it, which is what we often do with our soul. Our soul is made to stretch and expand infinitely in fact and yet many of us don't blow the air in to get that process started. We're not assisting the process, we're afraid of its growth as much as we're afraid of its shrinking.

And that makes no logical sense either if you think about it because our soul is designed to grow. So while I'm restricting it, I'm working or attempting to work against its own design with what God has put into it, the design that God has made. So it makes sense instead to start filling it with air, filling it with something to help it grow. And to grow it's going to have to stretch, it's going to have to stretch and in fact as we receive Divine Love we stretch even beyond our original capacity to stretch, that's how God created our soul; that we could be turned into a new Divine Creature through the reception of Divine Love. So we need to allow for the fact that we're going to not only stretch to what we were originally created to be, but we can also stretch beyond that capacity infinitely. [01:16:46.25]

Now that can't happen if I'm resistive to being overwhelmed. If I'm constantly going, "I don't want to get overwhelmed. I want to receive a new truth but I don't want to be overwhelmed by it," and I'm timid with the reception of new truth in that regard, then what's going to happen is I'll be constantly resisting progression. So I'll be in resistance most of the time and that makes no sense at all. We're working against our design, the design of our soul when we're in resistance. It is far better to understand the principles of resistance and go, "Okay there it is again, I'm in resistance." Find out why; use your will to discover why. Use your will in a positive direction to assist your soul in its growth.

7.7. An example of resistance to releasing the error that violence is justified

Interviewer: So can we use same example again?

Sure yeah, the same example of violence, yeah.

Interviewer: So the truth was violence towards anyone does not love and the error is that that person has made me angry so violence towards them is justified.

Okay now we're looking at this principle with respect to resistance. So what we're saying here now is that the person who's thinking these things is resistive to letting go of the error that violence is justified. So that's what they'd be doing. They'd be saying, "I don't see any point in letting go of this. The truth is that there are times when violence is justified and the truth is if your child was being hurt, you would revert to violence, I know you would" and they come up with all these arguments, which is just basically an expression of their rage of accepting the truth that violence is never justified.

Now while they are expressing their rage of accepting the truth they're never going to release the error. The error is still going to remain within them whatever the error is that causes them to think that way; it's going to remain for good unless they have less resistance to accepting the need to release the error. So it's one thing to acknowledge, "This is how I feel," it's quite another thing to justify holding on to it. So it's one thing for me to acknowledge yes I do have emotions in me where I do feel violence is justified under certain conditions, that's one thing. It's quite another thing to justify the reasons for my holding on to those particular emotions. And what I'm suggesting is a person in resistance will justify holding on to the error and it's unjustifiable. There's no logical reason for doing it but obviously they believe there is one. But there is none, there is no logical reason for holding onto such an error. [01:19:33.15]

Now a person who wants to overcome resistance would use their will instead to going, "Wow I really want to hold on to this error, I really want to hold on to it. I really want it to be the truth; I want to believe that there's times when violence is justified." And then if they allowed themselves to think about that and use their mind and their will to find out the reasons why, they would soon come to the conclusions of why they want to believe that. And there'll be all sorts of emotions involved in that, right the way through to unjust things that happened in their past that they would really like to get the person back for what happened to them in the past. There would be unreleased hurt about the unjust things that have happened in their past that causes them to feel that way. There might be unreleased hurt about sexual matters such as sexual abuse and rape and those kinds of issues. There might be unreleased emotional hurt about violence that has been perpetrated towards them and if they were truly honest about that, and wanted to get out of resistance, they'd be willing to go to those emotions.

7.8. Discovering the reasons for our resistance (continued)

If people are not willing to go into those emotions, they will continually justify their position, and this is what I find happening quite regularly with people in resistance. They just come up to you and they say, "I'm in resistance," and you go, "Okay, there's no problem being in resistance that's not the problem, the problem is wanting to stay there, that's the problem. So what are you in resistance about?" And they say, "Oh well I'm in resistance about the fact that I don't want to accept that I've treated my children badly." I go, "Okay well how are your children treating you now?" "Oh well they're not very happy with me actually they all feel that I've treated them badly." "Okay so you're resistive to acknowledging that fact. And how's it working out with your relationship with your children? Well not very good obviously, because they'll be feeling one thing and you're acting another, not very good. So why do you want to hold onto this? Why do you want to hold onto this concept, this concept that it's justified that you treated them badly? Or that you even don't think you've treated them badly at all, you're in complete denial. Why do you want to hold onto this when it's being reflected to you in the course of your day; through God's Law of Attraction it's being reflected to you all the time. Why do you want to hold onto that concept?" [01:22:01.29]

And oftentimes they'll get down to the feelings of guilt and shame they have, and other different emotions if they're willing. If they're not willing they'll fight, "I only knew what I only knew then. I know better now of course but back then I didn't know better and I shouldn't be blamed for things that I didn't know." Now all of their errors are coming out, their unwillingness to take personal responsibility for actions they've taken in their life that were based around an ignorant position for example, which is part of the error that they've just expressed. And they are unwilling to accept these errors that they are actually errors within them still that stop them from accepting the truth. And so my suggestion to them would be to choose differently, use your will, choose differently. Choose to see the error, choose to acknowledge it, choose to firstly intellectually acknowledge it but secondly feel it, feel the error and a lot of it is about repentance. A lot of it is about a person's resistance to repentance.

You see we are very happy to acknowledge that somebody else has done something to us; usually we're quite happy about that. We're not so happy to forgive them because we feel that that's letting them off the hook for what they've done. So we're not happy about that. But when it comes to our being sorry for what we have done to others, the majority of people have huge resistance to that and that is usually the most common cause of resistance in our soul. The most common reason for us to not progress is because we don't want to acknowledge what we have done.

Interviewer: So it's sort of like not taking personal responsibility for everything in our soul.

Exactly and not taking responsibility for the fact that not only have we created pain in our own soul but we've also created pain in other's souls as a result of our choices and decisions. Now if I understood resistance and I didn't ever want to get into resistance and I understood progression, I would be willing to go through the process of repentance. I'd be willing to work out the reasons why I chose to take such actions that I chose that obviously harmed others and myself. I'd be willing to look at those particular things. So I would not be willing to stay in a state of resistance, but if I don't honour my soul and I don't honour what God has created, I may stay in states of resistance for thousands of years.

In fact in the spirit world the main reason why people do not progress has nothing to do with belief systems, it has everything to do with their unwillingness to repent and forgive. That's the main reason why people stay stagnant for thousands of years in their soul progression. It's not even because of the way they exercise their mind, it's because of their unwillingness to feel specific emotions of repentance and forgiveness in particular that cause them to not be able to progress. [01:25:11.20]

7.9. The importance of understanding resistance

So if we understood resistance and we understood progression in the soul, we'd be pretty resistive to holding back our own progression. In other words whenever we felt inclined to be resistive we'd be looking very carefully, like with a magnifying glass, at the reason why we're trying to be resistive instead of just trying to brush over it all the time and make it go away and try to justify it and minimise it and shift the blame to somebody else. We'd be constantly on the lookout for our points of resistance because it's our points of resistance that eventually prevent our relationship with God. It's not going to be the truths we accept that prevent our relationship with God, it's going to be the errors that we're unwilling to release that cause the injury to our relationship with God, and also cause the injury to our relationship with ourselves and our friends and partner and children, and everyone else in our life. It is our resistance that is going to cause the damage.

So my suggestion to people is to understand resistance. Understand your will is being exercised to shut down this process, to shut down the process of absorption, to shut down the process of understanding how progression occurs in the soul and use your will differently; actively choose to use it differently. And use your mind. Instead of using your mind to deny you've ever done anything wrong, and using your mind to deny that something is wrong, or using your mind to minimise it or shift the blame onto somebody else and not take responsibility yourself, use your mind in a completely different direction to aid your soul's progression, not to limit it or inhibit your soul's progression.

And I feel that if people understood the principle of resistance they would never get into periods of resistance. They would get into moments of resistance, maybe for a day or two, maybe. But they'd never get into periods that last years and years and years of their life of resistance if they understood the damage that it does to the progression of their soul.

7.10. Resistance is emotional (continued)

You had a question.

Interviewer: I was just going to say that resistances can be reason upon reason upon reason upon reason.

Of course! Often they are constructed in layers. And remember that resistance is about emotional impediment, so it's emotional reason upon emotional reason upon emotional reason. It's not just intellectual argument; it's every one of these intellectual arguments coming from an emotional impediment from an emotional reason why we're arguing for the error.

So when I see people arguing for the error that is a direct indication that they want to hold on to resistance. Of course you're going to harm your own soul holding on to resistance and harm the soul of others while you're holding on to resistance. Understand that your resistance is caused by the emotional desire to hold on to the impediment that is causing the resistance to truth. So why would you want to exercise your emotions in that direction? Feel the emotional reason why instead. [01:28:41.13]

7.10.1. An example of speaking the truth

So you might get down to the fact, for example, that you don't want to tell the truth in all situations because you're just scared of people and what they'll do. So instead of going into resistance and justifying, "Well they'll attack me and they'll do this and they'll do that to me and they'll just make my life a misery if I tell the truth so I'm better off not telling the truth," which is all just justification of the error, a justification of you holding on to the emotional impediment, how about using your mind in a completely opposite direction? Say, "There is no justification to me holding on to this emotional impediment," and let myself feel that they will hurt me and feel that they will attack me and feel how my life would be and go through the feelings of that because they're obviously in me. That's the impediment that's causing the resistance.

So understand that it's the emotional impediment and I need to feel the emotional impediment. So I feel my anger at the fact that they'll attack me and feel my anger at the fact that they'll hurt me and all these kinds of things. I let myself release the feelings and get down to the grief that's underneath them to the point where I've released them and then I go, "Wow, I don't believe that anymore. You know I don't believe anymore that if I tell the truth I'm going to be hurt all the time."

You know I said to Mary recently that myself and Mary live in different worlds when it comes to the truth because I know that telling the truth all the time will always benefit me and everyone around me and I feel it all the time. It's directly reflected to me all the time. I have wonderful conversations with people where they connect to the truth and they go away feeling changed. Mary has the opposite occurring much of the time because she's afraid of people and how they'll react to the truth. And as a result of that up until quite recently was justifying not telling the truth and now she's working through the emotional impediment to doing that, which is her fear of people's violent abusive reaction.

So feel the fear of their violent abusive reaction. Once you've released that emotional impediment to telling the truth, you will have no resistance to telling the truth. It'll just be a natural process because you've released the emotional impediment that creates the resistance, and that's what we need to understand when it comes to resistance. [01:31:03.01]

Interviewer: Okay, thanks.

Thanks for that discussion, Luli.

7.11. Emotional resistance prevents truth from entering

7.11.1. An example of the interviewer's neighbour

Interviewer: I had a conversation with my neighbour who just went on and on and on about me being in a cult. I said so many things and he was just convinced that I just wasn't advanced enough to have all the nasty things happen to me that happened to him when he joined some group and had this spirit attack and he felt like spirits were climbing up his abdomen and stuff like that.

Urgh!

Interviewer: I know! And he was just saying, "You're not advanced enough yet it's going to happen to you," and I was saying, "Really it's not, it's really not." (Laughs) It was just like no matter what I said it was never going to change his mind.

Because a person who's embroiled in their unhealed emotion is incapable of being logical, the truth can't enter them.

Interviewer: Because he's so riddled with fear.

Yeah if you're riddled with the emotional impediment you can't accept anything.

7.11.2. An example of seminars that AJ delivers

Sometimes when I'm giving a discussion or a talk with people and I come up with one example and I just feel the audience totally blocked to that and I come up with another example and the audience are totally blocked to that. All I'm trying to do is look for examples that I can feel in the audience where there's going to be some emotional openness. And there's sometimes an example that you can come up with, and I know that once I'm at-one with God I'll know the exact example that's going to create; if anything's going to create an emotional openness, this is going to be the example.

Interviewer: Because you'll feel a person.

Because you can feel everybody collectively. It's hard in a group because obviously everyone has their own emotional impediment. Emotional impediments are interesting, the resistance is interesting, because you could think of the emotional impediments as like doorways in the soul. And if the door is closed, the door is closed, the door is closed and until some opening occurs on that particular front, that door is never going to open. But there might be a slightly variant truth that you can present where there's a door slightly open in the same soul on a related subject. So you might use one analogy and the door starts to close and they don't even get the analogy at all and then use another analogy and the door's totally closed to that analogy because they don't get that analogy at all because of their emotional impediments. But then there's this third analogy where the door, because they've had a bit of emotional processing where they've released a bit of error or no error entered them on a particular subject, and the door's slightly open. Now when you say to them the third analogy they go "Ah! Ah! I know what you mean now!" (Laughter) [01:35:33.06]

Interviewer: I had that yesterday with something you said to me, "Ah now I get it!" (Laughter)

Now I get it! (Laughter) That's because with this issue of resistance, the emotional impediment creating the resistance, and there's an unwillingness to address the emotional impediment or even know what it is in most cases and then all of a sudden you hit one that's actually open like a door that's partly ajar, and straight away there's a connection. And that's the beauty of understanding absorption is that when you understand that you've got part openness in a certain location you won't bother having a conversation with a person unless they're partly open in a certain location.

7.11.3. An example of the interviewer's neighbour (continued)

So in the example you just gave of the man who wanted to try to convince you you're in a cult and you're telling him, "It's not a cult, I don't have any of those experiences." He's had a lot of bad experiences, which are driving his emotions about it all, of course, and we've got to acknowledge that and in fact if you acknowledge that you might have got further with him. "You've had a lot of bad experiences and I understand the emotion..."

Interviewer: I did and it didn't work.

No, that didn't work. So that door wasn't open either. (Laughter) So he's going to try and convince you you're going to have the same experience and of course it's not possible, but he's going to try to convince you of such and unless there's a door open somewhere in this discussion around that particular subject where there is a point of entry where a thought that you are presenting is truth can actually enter his soul, he will not be able to accept any of it. So nothing will ever be absorbed. So what I find under those circumstances is that it's basically totally useless having a conversation with that person on that subject. [01:37:21.18]

Interviewer: I reached that conclusion at the end because in the end he'd reached the conclusion that everything on the planet, any form of spirituality was evil and corrupt, and they're all in this big conspiracy theory, and so the only thing that was safe was Christianity. So then I started talking about some of the flaws in that and I didn't get anywhere on that so I thought fine, I give up. (Laughter) I give up totally now.

Exactly, there were no holes anywhere in him; there were only emotional impediments, only resistance in every course of action.

7.11.4. Gaining the ability to feel areas of resistance in others

So what you find after a while is the more sensitive you become in your own soul, you instantly feel whether there is an openness in the person in any direction and you are able to engage that openness instantly by saying the right words and leading them down a certain path instantly. And if there is no emotional openness in any direction with regard to truth, then you won't even bother engaging the conversation because it's pointless. It's just pointless. Nothing you do, nothing you say will actually change that people mind even, nothing you do. Even if you love them to bits they're not going to change their mind like because the emotional impediments prevent them from doing so.

And this is where I feel if you understand resistance in yourself and you start understanding resistance in other people what eventually happens is you know which conversations to engage and which conversations to just walk away from, because it's pointless wasting your time on conversations where there is no emotional openness, only resistance in every direction you take. [01:39:03.05]

And it's interesting how people will often ask a question with no desire at all to be emotionally open to the answer. After a while you start feeling that as well, that it's pointless addressing the question, answering the actual question. You need to firstly address the reason why they're not emotionally open to the question, the answer to the question.

Interviewer: So they're just asking the question from another motive?

Yeah, like many members of the media for example have asked me questions only to make statements. So they're really just making statements of their own by asking a question. They don't want or expect or even encourage me to answer it or give me the time to answer it because they don't have an interest in hearing the answer, they only have an interest in hearing the question.

Interviewer: Yeah I watched one of the recent ones recently that was a bit like that.

Yeah and many people are like that where there is no ultimate desire to know the answer to any of the questions they're asking. They're only asking the question because they want to be able to say, "I asked that question and he couldn't answer it." That's all they want to say. And they remind me a lot of the Pharisees in the first century in that regard, that was the purpose of the Pharisees' questioning. They always had an ulterior motive to their questions and a person who's got ulterior motives to their question is never going to be self-reflective and they're never going to be able to grow their soul, they're constantly in resistance.

So my suggestion to anybody who wants to share truth with others is feel the soul of the person, feel where they're emotionally open and engage conversation in that direction. And usually a sincere person is generally emotionally open in some direction of some kind. But as you know there are times when you find a person who's not emotionally open in any direction at all except for something physical. In other words they're not emotionally open to any spiritual conversation or direction of truth that you could take, which is sad for them.

8. What is presence?

Anyway that brings us to the sixth point that we wanted to discuss today and that was this point of understanding presence. And here we're talking about the presence of love along with truth. So if I can define presence as the principle that for truth to be present and absorbed by the soul love must also be present. So it's a very simple principle.

So you often hear of people who are telling somebody the truth but they're screaming at them while they're telling them the truth. Now under those circumstances it's very, very difficult for the person who's on the receiving end of that to actually accept anything they're saying is truth because love is not present. The principle of presence is not being adhered to.

So this principle of presence as it affects the soul is this; the soul can feel when love is the underlying intention of the discovery of truth and the soul can also feel when the underlying intention is not love but a manipulation of truth. And as a result of that if we're sensitive to presence, the presence of love in discussion of truth, then we'll be able to easily determine when a person's out of harmony with love while they're discussing truth and that also means that the truth is probably not the truth, the absolute truth, it's only their version of the truth. [01:42:44.07]

8.1. The importance of love being present when truth is spoken

When we understand presence, we understand who to listen to. Listen to the people who want to help you grow your soul and who have a feeling of love towards your soul. Listen to those people, no matter what they say and how confronting it is, listen. But don't listen to the people who say they love you and tell you a whole heap of truth but it really is without the presence of love, it's all done for an ulterior motive that you can feel. An ulterior motive of maybe pulling you down or humiliating you, making you feel bad or controlling your will or whatever other type of thing they might be attempting to do.

If a person has love present in the discussion of truth with you, and remember this is a factor regarding the soul and its absorption of the truth, if love is present then allow the absorption of the information. If love is not present, then be very selective to the absorption of the information. Because if you allow the absorption of information when love is not present, there's a high likelihood the ulterior motive will actually damage your soul, the ulterior motive of the person projecting their particular "truth" to you will eventually be exposed. And it's quite easy to expose a person who does not have presence; it's quite easy to expose their ulterior motive in the end.

And so what I've got here are a number of different, what I would classify as things to consider with regard to presence in terms of if a person loves you what would they do and if they don't love you what they do. And if we understand that, we will then allow our soul, no matter how challenged it is, to at least listen to, and even our mind at least to listen to the presentation of truth. If we understand that love has to be present in order for truth to be absorbed, then what we will come to understand within ourselves is we will create an environment of love around us that only absorbs truth because of love.

The reason why this is so important is because many people are being affected by very dark influences, both spiritual and physical. When I say dark influences, they're influenced by the dark reflections, intellectual and emotional reflections of people on Earth and they're influenced by the dark influences and emotional reflections of people in the spirit world. And the reason why they're influenced by these things is because they do not understand the principle of presence. That is, if we allow a person who's in an unloving state to tell us truths and we allow the absorption of such "truths", and I use the word "truths" here in quotations because they're not really truths, there is the potential of further damage to our soul, that's the principle of presence. [01:46:08.28]

If love is present then there will not be the potential of further damage to our soul if we listen to the person, even if what we're listening to is false, it won't damage our soul because we'll be able to recognise it sooner or later as false. If love is present it's beautiful having a conversation with somebody, even if they are in a state of untruth it's beautiful to continue a conversation with them if love is present because it's love that is the guiding factor of the absorption of all things into the soul. And remember this is all about the soul's progression, and when we talk about soul progression we're talking about the soul progressing in love every single time.

So if I'm in an environment where I'm discussing something with you and I feel the presence of love, then I'm in a safe environment for the discussion of this matter whether it's truth or not, I'm still in a safe environment. If love is not present in the discussion of this particular truth, now I'm no longer in a safe environment for its discussion whether truth is being discussed or not, I'm not in a safe environment for its discussion.

So this is what I find happening a lot in our seminars. What I find is that people are often asking me for more truth while at the same time treating me unlovingly. Love isn't present. What's the point of discussing more truth?

Interviewer: So the love has to be present for both parties?

Yes. Yes, in any discussion love has to be present for all parties: really it has to be present. Or if in the case of a group the majority of people it needs to be present. If it's not present then the absorption of truth is impossible.

Interviewer: So why is that? If we look back to the absorption of truth what we talked about earlier, you release the error, the truth can come in, how does this impact on that?

Well this impacts upon your choice to receive truth into your soul. You see if love is not present you would be very unwise to choose to accept what the person's saying to you because there's a very high chance that their motivations are unloving because love is not present. If love is present then why would you resist what they're saying no matter what it is? There's no need to resist it because there is love that is present.

Now even if they're speaking in error, if love is present you can still have a conversation. You can still engage the conversation if you know a different truth to what they know and there is love present then you can have a free and easy conversation with them about the issue. And there's a high likelihood that at some point in the discussion truth will be arrived at. But if love is not present in the interaction between the people involved then what is happening is there's an automatic impediment to any truth entering the souls of all the people involved. So what's the point of saying a truth under those circumstances when the person is also being unloving right in that moment? [01:49:31.00]

All development of the soul is about love; love is the thing that causes true development. So if I ignore love in my discussion of truth I'm ignoring the reason for discussing truth. And if I'm ignoring the reason for discussing truth then of course there is little point to discussing truth because the only real reason for discussing truth is so that we can obtain more love, so that we can become more loving. As a result of becoming more loving we'll know more as a result and we'll be able to feel more, our soul will expand. Remember the soul's expansion is the expansion in its ability to love. And if I'm discussing truth with you with no desire at all to become more loving, then I've lost my point. I've lost the point of all soul progression. This is why it's important that love is present because without love being present I have lost the point of all discussion of truth.

All discussions of truth is for the expansion of love, not for its degradation, not for its withdrawal and this is why it's important for me to understand the principle of presence and the affect that it has on my soul. This is why it's also easier for anybody who's in the room with somebody who's loving to actually hear what they've got to say.

8.1.1. An example of AJ's seminars

So you know how sometimes in group, and you've been present at some of the groups that we've been at, where I get questioned by a person who's bombastic or angry or resistive and sometimes I answer the question, not because of their presence of love but because of the presence of love that I feel in the room. But other times I feel no presence of love in the room towards the individual and no presence of love from the person towards myself and I feel like now I've got to deal with the emotion. The emotion that they have is the first thing I have to address, I can't answer the question until this emotion is addressed, this reason for their unloving behaviour is addressed. [01:51:40.00]

Interviewer: Because otherwise it's not beneficial to anybody.

It's not beneficial to anybody in the room and I sometimes I've had in the room one person being angry and resistive. A good example is the recordings you would have seen of some of the events in Sweden the first time we went there. There was a person in the room in the second discussion who was not present in love and he just wanted to attack, attack, attack, attack, attack and be bombastic and attack and so forth. And as a result of that eventually other people around him starting attacking him. Now initially while he was attacking me I was okay and comfortable with trying to address the issues because at least there was a presence of love in others and they could at least see the truth. But once the others starting attacking him, now there's no presence of love whatsoever, now I had to stop the whole thing and talk to him about his unloving behaviour and talk to the rest of the audience about their unloving behaviour before I could continue because all were resistive to truth.

Now when I did that the others who had projected the unloving behaviour towards the man involved started to feel the truth of what hit them and they became present again with love, they started to feel some compassion and they started to feel some repentance for their own actions. As a result of that they felt more loving and now I could re-engage the man again and discuss the actual issue with him.

So these are things that happen in interactions with people. When there's love present, at least even a little bit of love present, we have the ability for people to absorb some truth. If love is not present at all it's very difficult, it requires a highly developed person to absorb truth when love is not present.

Interviewer: So for someone who's so humble they'll just look at whatever their part is in the negative events that are going on around them.

Exactly it takes a very developed individual to do that, to just continually examine themselves. To allow their emotions and allow their feelings and allow their expression and allow all of these qualities of the soul that we've talked about, allow the dominance of their soul, allow their progression of their soul right in the situation. It requires a very developed person to do that in an environment where there is no love. [01:54:04.24]

So if we wish to make it easier for ourselves and others to progress and consider that all progress is progress in love, then obviously love needs to be present when discussing truth. So that's the best thing to do, make sure love is present when discussing truth. If you can't do that, then it's going to require a lot of very, very good development on the part of the people who remain there to stay there without getting angry or resentful or resistive.

8.2. Conditions under which truth can be delivered lovingly

So some of the issues that I've raised here were issues regarding, for example, a person who honours the loving principles of the soul's free will and wishes to share some truth under all circumstances, will be able to tell you the truth about yourself if and only if they have learned in their soul the same truth within their selves.

8.2.1. Conveying truths that have already been personally absorbed

So I can only tell you a truth about yourself that I have come to accept inside of myself in my soul. I can't tell you a truth that I can intellectually see that I personally have as a problem inside of my soul. I can attempt to but I'll have all sorts of problems with that, as we'll point out. The person will be able to logically describe the truth and define how it is the truth. So they'll be able to tell you why what they're saying is the truth and how it's the truth. They won't be tongue tied every time you ask. [01:55:40.10]

Interviewer: So it's not like, "Oh you're unloving!"

"Oh you're unloving" and you say, "How am I unloving?" "Oh you're just unloving." "How am I unloving?" "Oh you're just unloving." Well there's a person who has no idea why you're unloving and so there's a high potential you're not unloving generally. They're not describing to you why they believe you're unloving because they're unable to. They're unable to because they don't have the truth about it in their soul; that's why they're unable to. They will only be able to describe why you're unloving by having the truth in their soul and therefore being able to tell why you're unloving.

They will be able to tell you why the condition of error exists within you. So they'll be able to say this is the truth, this is why it's the truth and this is the error you have and this is why it's the error and this is why you have this error. You have this error because this event happened in your childhood; they'll be able to feel the events in fact as to what created these errors inside of you. And they will have compassion for the error that's inside of you and its creation.

They'll be able to show you how to remove the condition of error from your soul. So they'll be able to give you instructions if you ask them about how to actually let go of this error that's in your soul, what you actually need to do to process the error in your soul and they'll be able to do all of that while still honouring your free will. So they won't be browbeating you and trying to control you and manipulate you and push you around while they're doing that. They'll honour every choice and decision you make during the discussion. And on top of that they'll be able to do that and stay in a condition of love within themselves; that's a person who's present. [01:57:24.01]

Interviewer: So that person has to be very well developed on that particular point.

On that particular point, yes that's correct. And it might not mean they're very developed on another point but at least on that particular point they have to be very developed, yes. And remember everyone's development is different on particular points, so it is possible for that to occur. Although generally what happens is that people who are not present generally on one point are often not present on many points. Love isn't present within them on most points in fact. And the reason why is because they've got some very low development of their soul and they're using their intellect to discuss truth and they are very unaware of their soul's development. And when they're unaware of their soul's development, they're also unaware of their lack of love that their soul portrays in the discussion of truth. They don't even believe they're being unloving when they're being totally unloving.

I've had Christians and others yelling and screaming at me and I say, "You're being very unloving now," and they don't believe it (laughs) because their soul is not yet even sensitive to their own expression of violence.

8.3. Conditions under which truth is delivered unlovingly

So if we look at the flip side of that, the inverse of that, we can see that a person who does not have truth within themself and who does not honour the loving principles of free will and so forth, will have a completely opposite effect in their discussion with you. For example, they will attempt to denigrate you with their truth. So instead of upholding you and trying to promote your development, they're trying to pull you down and tug you down and make you feel worse about yourself. And they're trying to overtly do that. It's not something that you just feel it's something they're obviously trying to do.

Remember that sometimes when the person tells the truth, we feel they're attacking us when they're not really. But there are times when it's pretty obvious that the person's just trying to pull you down now and most of the time they'll tell you that you're an idiot, you're a this and you're a that, they'll use all the words attempting to pull you down, which is a part of the fact that they wish to just denigrate you and condescend to you and belittle you. And if they wish to denigrate, condescend and belittle you, they are not present with love. They are present with a lot of evil and dark emotions, which they would need to address if they really wanted to become present; they're not present in love. It's highly unwise for me, if I'm in the reception of that, to actually listen to what they've got to say, to actually value anything they've got to say.

8.3.1. An example of the interviewer's lack of self-love

Interviewer: So an example of this is like last week I had spirits telling me I was completely useless all week and I was taking it on.

Yes. You see if you honoured presence you wouldn't have taken it on.

Interviewer: Well I didn't even realise it wasn't me until half way through the week and then something changed and then I was like, "Oh it's not even coming from me."

Well even if it was you, you would still not do it...

Interviewer: No I know.

Because you'd honour presence. Does that make sense?

Interviewer: Yeah I wasn't loving myself.

Exactly so you see presence is immaterial of who is there. Even if you're alone presence is; I must love myself while I acknowledge my error. You see? And if I'm attacking myself while I'm acknowledging my error, I'm not present, I'm not present with love even it's just me myself, I'm not present with love and how can I grow in that state? I'm not, and of course that state's going to encourage a whole heap of dark spirits to come and dump on you as well and dump their emotional crap on you and cause less presence of love to be there while you're trying to accept a truth.

The reality is you weren't accepting a truth, you're not a bad person at all, you're the pinnacle of God's creation. And all you're doing is you're punishing yourself for something that you perceive is wrong about yourself and many times we create our own lack of presence, our own lack of presence of love. [02:01:17.29]

Interviewer: Through our own lack of self-love.

Through our own lack of self-love, yeah.

Interviewer: And that's a point of resistance to work on.

That's a point of resistance to work on. Why am I resisting loving myself? That's a very important question to answer because if I resist loving myself, of course everyone around me is going to resist loving me. That's probably going to be what I attract. So it's very important for me to be present with love with myself even if no one else is there, I need to be present with love with myself. Whenever I'm not, I need to recognise that that behaviour is out of harmony with soul progression. It's out of harmony with the development of my soul and the growth of my soul. I need to see that. Every time I attack myself, I need to see what I'm doing to myself; I am not being present with love with myself.

So yeah often we revert to this behaviour even towards ourselves alone, (Laughter) which is a problem obviously.

Interviewer: I know. It doesn't make you feel very good. (Laughs)

No we don't need anybody else to do it to us because we do it to ourselves enough. And that is an indication of a lack of personal presence where we're not personally present with love with us. And so what we need to do is to address the emotional reasons why that's the case. We need to become present with love even towards ourselves if we truly want to grow.

8.3.2. Not being able to explain the truth logically or in detail

So the person will also have no logical idea or concept as to why their truth is the truth. And so often you'll ask them, "Well why is that the truth?" And then they'll present and then I'll say, "Well I can't agree with that because of this and this and this," and then they start getting angry and they start belittling your character again. They revert to belittling your character or tearing down your character; these are the kinds of people who are not worth listening to. Now you might just sit there and put up with it maybe, given the circumstances, you might have to if you're in prison doing it, but you don't have to absorb it. It doesn't have to enter you. It doesn't have to go into your soul because the reality is love is not present when they're doing this. [02:03:27.07]

They won't be able to tell you why the condition of error exists within you. They won't be able to tell you what childhood event or what thing has happened inside of you. They won't be able to tell you any of those things; they won't be able to tell you why. They won't be able to tell you how to remove the condition of error, they won't be able to tell you that either. They won't be able to tell you and they won't honour your free will while they're doing it, they'll try to browbeat you into submission. These are the kinds of principles of a person who is not present. And a person who is not present does not honour the fact that love needs to be present in a discussion of all truth. And love needs to be present if the soul is going to progress and the soul is going to heal.

So like I feel that they are the main points of presence about staying present with love.

8.4. Conveying truths that are partially understood

Interviewer: Can I ask another question?

Sure, sure. Fire away.

Interviewer: So these are two extremes. Are there any places in the middle as you're?

Of course.

Interviewer: ... progressing you might be able to have compassion for someone and explain what's gone wrong, but not be able to feel what happened in their childhood as to why it happened.

Exactly because that's going to depend very much on your development.

Interviewer: Right so you've only shifted a little bit so you can see like...

You can see a little bit.

Interviewer: You can see what's just changed in you but it hasn't changed in them yet...

That's correct.

Interviewer: ... but you haven't released all of it in you to be able to...

Tell what's in them.

Interviewer: Exactly.

And to feel what's in them, what childhood event occurred in their past that would allow you to feel their childhood event. You see if you haven't released it yourself then you're not going to be able to feel their event and what occurred for them.

The reality is the soul is like an open book. In New Age circles there's this concept of the soul records, the Akashic Records they call it. Well that's just your soul, an open book, to anybody who has the development to feel it. And the reality is the more development we get in love, the more we can feel the soul of others, the more we can feel their true nature and condition, the more we can feel their errors, the more we have compassion for them, the more we understand where they're coming from, the more we see why they have that error based on what happened during their childhood. And we actually can recall to them their childhood event that they can't even recall themselves because that record is available to us. That's what happens once we have development in love. [02:06:06.18]

Now obviously that's fully developed in love, let's call that, although there's no such thing because it's an infinite progression in love. But for most of us we're not fully developed enough, so there's some parts of that we can do but other parts we cannot.

So what we need to comes to terms with is the fact that while we're developing we're not going to be able to see everything in everyone else, we're not going to be able to see everything, we're not going to be able to be present all the time, none of these things that we've described we'll be able to do all the time. However, we'll be able to at least aim for them if we are focussed on the progression of our soul. [02:06:46.24]

But you're right it is a gradual process of becoming present, but as we notice more and more we'll become more and more fixed on becoming present with love, being love when discussing truth. We won't avoid the discussion; we will confront the reasons for the unlovingness in the discussion before we answer any questions if we notice that love is not present.

So you can see myself doing that more and more in my discussions with people and also more and more in my presentations. Where more and more I am becoming more certain and more direct with people about the lack of love. You know after all, they're coming along to hear about love, to grow in love, and yet they're being unloving right in that moment. And so more and more we're trying to address those particular issues and therefore allow love to be present in the room. If love's present in the room of two hundred people, the speaking of truth has a powerful affect on two hundred people. If love is not present in the room of two hundred people, speaking the truth has zero affect almost on the people generally in the room and that's something we need to understand about this issue of presence - the power of love to open the soul to experiencing itself and experiencing emotion and eventually absorbing truth.

9. Closing words

So that brings us to the conclusion of the six points that we wanted to discuss today. So I'd like to thank you for your time Luli in doing that.

Interviewer: Thank you for asking me.

Yeah it was a pleasure.

My suggestion is if you're on the FAQ channel that for the future FAQ questions that are going to be asked about the soul, many of them will refer to these particular points in this discussion. And so it's great if you can go through these particular things Luli and I have discussed in understanding the particular aspects of how the soul operates because it will help greatly in understanding my answers to the different questions that people ask about how the soul operates on the FAQ channel.

We would like to thank you for our time today. Thanks guys.

How the Human Soul Functions: Session 1 Part 3

10. Introduction

Interviewer: Welcome everyone this afternoon. I, Mary Magdalene, am going to be interviewing Jesus. It's a continuation of an interview that he started with Luli Faber a couple of weeks ago about how the human soul operates. And today I'd just like to ask you about the seventh principle pertaining to how the human soul operates called suppression.

Yes.

11. What is suppression?

Interviewer: So would you be able to explain to us the principle of suppression with regards to the soul?

So this is a very important principle when it comes to the soul. And it's a principle that I feel most people on the planet do not understand about their own soul and how their own emotions work, and that is that if you attempt to suppress one emotion inside of the soul then all emotions will be suppressed to a certain degree inside of the soul at the same time. In other words it's impossible to have a suppression of one emotion and not expect that the rest of the soul can operate with free expression.

And I think I'd just probably like to read my description of it and then we can discuss it in a bit more detail. I've said that suppression is the principle that; a person using their will to suppress any one emotion within the soul will also suppress the entire soul and be therefore unable to experience all emotions to the full extent, whether the emotion being suppressed is painful or pleasurable and whether the emotion desired is pleasurable.

So I've been quite specific there with that definition because it's very important for people to understand that they can even attempt to suppress pleasure and that will also have an effect of suppressing other parts of their soul as well. It's impossible to suppress one single emotion inside of the soul without it having an effect on the other parts of the soul and I constantly find people believing otherwise. The reality is that if you want to progress towards God, attempting suppression of any emotion inside of the soul is very counterproductive towards your progression in terms of any soul progression that you might make.

I feel a lot of people believe they can do it and also dearly desire to do it and as a result of that they often have a degree of success of suppressing an emotion without understanding the effects it's having on the rest of their soul. [00:03:02.12]

Interviewer: Yeah, so if we can maybe talk about that.

So talk about a few examples.

Interviewer: Some examples and also what you mean by people believe that they can do it. Now they might not have a conscious belief that they can do it but their behaviour demonstrates...

Their behaviour is such that they believe that they can do it and it's a very common belief on the planet. You look at almost everybody's day-to-day life they are suppressing certain feelings. You can see it written all over their body, their face, everything, how much they are in suppression of certain emotions. And they believe they can still have other emotions that they feel are good to the full extent and they can't. The sad thing is that you can never experience any positive emotions to the full extent while you're suppressing negative emotions. It's just impossible. [00:03:51.20]

11.1. An example of how suppressing fears affects the soul

Interviewer: So let's talk about some examples. Do you have some examples that would demonstrate this principle?

None that come to mind really at the moment. (Laughs)

Interviewer: Okay. What if I can think of a couple of things?

Sure, sure.

Interviewer: And I have a few clarifying questions that I'd like to ask you as we go along. But say I'm really afraid of a lot of things in my life. So I'm afraid of being humiliated, I'm afraid of making mistakes, I'm afraid of disappointment, afraid of trying really hard for something and then...

Feeling disappointed that you never got there at the end.

Interviewer: ... then feeling I failed, yes. So let's say that's me and I've got all those emotions and as I'm going through my life, certain things happen in my work life say and these emotions begin to be triggered. From what you're saying if I then suppress those emotions, I'm basically...

Which you're already doing before they are triggered anyway because they would never be triggered. The Law of Attraction would never operate in such a way that emotions that you didn't have would be triggered. So the way the Law of Attraction works is that it's a perfect Law of God and it works in such a manner that the actual feelings that you have within your soul cause the attraction. So it's not the actual future things that happen as a result of the trigger, the trigger is the result of the soul already being in the state of suppression.

Interviewer: Okay so given that, then we know that I'm already suppressing those fears in my day-to-day life.

Pushing them down in your day-to-day life, yeah.

Interviewer: So what does that mean for the rest of my soul?

Well firstly every aspect of your life that is under the control of those particular areas that you're suppressing will also be affected by your suppression. So for example if you're afraid of humiliation, this will cause you to no longer act freely, particularly in public or in company, so this is a subsequent result of the suppression of that humiliation emotion. While you're suppressing the emotion of being humiliated you're also now taking and making decisions and choices that cause you to avoid areas where you might finish up being humiliated and so of course it's affecting a large area of your life already. [00:06:06.26]

Interviewer: And that's my actions, isn't it?

And that's your actions.

Interviewer: So it's affecting my actions for sure.

So it's affecting your actions and your decisions and the choices you're making right at the moment, right at the time but larger than that it has an affect inside of the soul when it comes to desire. So while I'm suppressing fear in my soul I'm also suppressing every other thing inside of my soul and the extent to which I suppress the fear will be the extent that I will suppress other parts of my soul. So if I suppress a feeling that I will eventually be humiliated and I don't allow that feeling to be experienced, I am also suppressing all of my desires. So this includes all of my sexual desires, all of my desires for you know in terms of my day-to-day life, in terms of my love-based relationships, it includes all of my desires with my children, my desires for my future and all of these other areas.

Interviewer: My creativity.

Your creativity in all these other areas all suppressed at the same time; you can't connect to them, you won't be able to connect to them. So we're having a much larger affect than it just effecting our actions about the particular thing that we think the fear is related to. The reality is that when we suppress it, we're suppressing whole areas of our soul now, areas that are completely unrelated even to the original point of suppression.

And this is where I feel most people don't have any understanding at all as to why they feel disconnected from their lives. They're disconnected from their lives because they are suppressing certain aspects of their life that cause the soul to suppress all parts of those things associated with those aspects as well as suppressing any other emotion that may be just as overwhelming even if it's in a positive or a negative direction. [00:08:04.02]

So it has a powerful effect on the soul in lots of different ways and ways in which most people on the planet have no appreciation of in terms of their day-to-day life. Many people on the planet now are complaining that they don't feel connected with themselves, they don't feel connected with their life, they don't feel joy in their day-to-day life much at all. And this is because of the level of suppression they have of, what they view as the painful emotions, and this suppression of painful emotion causes a suppression of the experience of pleasurable emotions. And in the end you end up with a suppressed person unable to experience pain or pleasure and doing even extreme things in order to feel as a result.

Interviewer: So from what you're saying, I have a picture of this kind of dampened down soul. Within our soul I feel that there are all these emotions and passions and desires and all these things. Some of them are happy, loving...

But for all of them to be experienced, they have to come out of the soul.

Interviewer: Yes.

They can't remain within the soul. They have to be experienced by going through an experience of the release of these emotions. So these emotions will come out of the soul, that's our natural state. Our natural state is to have desires; but not only have them but also act upon them, that's our natural state. We act upon all of our desires.

Interviewer: We have our desires, have our emotions and then...

Act upon them.

Interviewer: And experience them...

Experience them and we see the experience of them. We feel the experience of them, that's how the energy of these emotions is released.

11.2. How having no suppression affects the soul

Interviewer: So if we didn't have any suppression, our soul would be experiencing desire and emotion in a really expansive way, is that right?

In a constant state of experience; so there'd be emotions and desires and passions all being experienced, there'd be a lot of joy because we're not suppressing anything. Any times we're acting out of harmony with love by the experience of these desires, there'd also be a lot of pain. This is what the problem is.

11.3. Suppressing painful experiences also suppresses pleasurable experiences

What the problem is, is that we're in this state naturally where we will naturally experience desires, passions and longings and all these other things. It will all fly out of our soul as a never-ending stream of energy if you like. And what we do is, because we've acted out of harmony with God's Laws of Love, some of these things that come out of the soul are painful in their experience and so instead of correcting the action that's out of harmony with the law, we decide to suppress the result by suppressing the painful experience.

Now the painful experience is the result of our action out of harmony with the law. It is not the cause of our pain; the pain is the result or the effect of my actions that are out of harmony with love. So when I choose to suppress the pain, I am not addressing the cause of the pain and also due to the way the soul has been made, I will suppress even the pleasure and the good things that my soul has also created. [00:11:32.19]

Interviewer: So yes...wow. (Laughs)

It's pretty big when you think about it that way.

Interviewer: It's a pretty big statement, yes.

Because basically what we're saying is if we look at the truth about God's Laws, we know the truth about God's Laws are such that whenever I break them or whenever I act out of harmony with them, I will have pain and suffering as a result. So the real cause of any pain that's within my soul is the action taken out of harmony with love, that's the real cause.

Now most of the time we don't honour that as the real cause and the majority of people on the planet don't honour that as the real cause of their pain and suffering. So what they do is they feel the pain and suffering that is the result of acting out of harmony with the true cause but instead of attempting to correct the cause, they suppress the result. But what I'm saying with this principle of suppression is that if you choose to suppress the pain and suffering, which is the result of a cause of breaking the law, you suppress not only it, the very thing that is the pain and suffering, but you suppress also the experience of any pleasure.

And this is a compensatory effect that's placed upon the soul as a part of the nature of how God's created it to show you that something is wrong with choosing suppression. This is a law that governs the soul. What God's trying to do with this particular law that governs the soul, the principle that governs the soul, is He's trying to expose to us the results of our own suppression of pain.

So if we look at it more fully. The breaking of the law creates the pain; the suppression of the pain also causes the suppression of pleasure, which results in more pain. So what God's trying to attempt to show us is if you try to solve the effect rather than getting at the cause, you're going to create more pain and suffering for your soul. That's really what God's trying to do through this principle of suppression; to show us that when we choose suppression we're actually causing a further degradation of our own experience and therefore we're going to cause more pain to our own experience.

Interviewer: So understanding a little bit more about the dynamics of this law or this principle and how it works on the soul, as we said earlier the soul in its natural expansive state is feeling all kinds of things and as you mentioned when it acts out of harmony with the law, there's pain...

There's pain and that's an experience.

Interviewer: Yes. And so if I imagine the soul as a really big soul now and so there's lots of passions and joy and all these things but I just acted out harmony with the law and there's pain, so now if I choose to then suppress that pain based...

Rather than experience it.

Interviewer: Yes, rather than experiencing it.

And remember the pain is the consequence of breaking the law, so it's a part of the Law of Compensation; it needs to be experienced if we're going to ever grow.

Interviewer: Yes. So as I suppress it, what I'm getting a vision of is that everything suppresses...

Contracts!

Interviewer: ... with it to the point of my suppression. Is this correct?

That's correct.

Interviewer: So if I suppress it a whole heap everything is very small. If I allow a little bit of the pain and then I put a damper on it then I'm still allowing...

You'll have some pleasure.

Interviewer: ... joy, pleasure, desire, passion and other emotions and then if I feel a fear in there and I suppress that then everything has to constrict with it.

Contracts again.

Interviewer: So it's really about, from what you're saying, the experience of any emotion is affected by the suppression of just one?

Correct. And its experience of every emotion is affected by the suppression of just one emotion.

Interviewer: Yes.

Just one emotion.

Interviewer: So the level I allow my painful emotions is the same amount I will allow my pleasure.

My pleasure, exactly! You can see how this is impacting upon many people's lives today really.

11.3.1. An example of women's sexual pleasure

Like for example, many women complain of a lack of sexual pleasure in their day-to-day life physically when they have a relationship with a partner. So if we look at what they're looking for, they're looking to have sexual pleasure but their sexual pleasure is greatly suppressed. Many women complain that they don't orgasm easily; they don't enjoy sex as a result because it becomes a trauma and a chore. They don't connect with their body during sex as a result of all of these particular things. And the question that needs to be answered is what's really happening? [00:16:44.13]

Interviewer: So from what you're saying, what's really being suppressed?

Yeah, what's really being suppressed? There's obviously a heap of people in the spirit world who are not very happy with that particular point - I'm feeling a bit suppressed about talking about it even. It's an external contraction that I can feel.

Let's try to talk about this issue with women with their orgasm. Many women complain that they find it difficult to connect to their orgasm, to have an orgasm and so forth and particularly just having an orgasm through sexual intercourse. They may need stimulus of the clitoris along with other things perhaps, sometimes vibrators and other things in order to achieve an orgasm.

And the question becomes well why is their body so shut down to the effect of these stimuli when other women's bodies are very sensitive to these particular things? The answer is because they're suppressing certain emotions that control the responses of those particular organs. Now mostly the emotions that control the response of those particular organs are based around fear and rage, fear and anger. And if you look at the general feelings of women towards men you can see that there is generally a lot of anger towards men, some understandably so, and also some fear associated with men, particularly men from a sexual perspective. There's a lot of fear of the man's penis, there's a lot of fear of being penetrated, there's a lot of fear of having an allowance of the heart to be involved in the sex act for example.

And women generally try to suppress all of these particular fears. So in other words they try to keep these feelings at bay, they push them down. In the process of pushing them down they also desensitise their own body to the affect of stimuli that could bring them pleasure in the same area. And this is one of the subsequent effects of trying to shut down the soul. So you shut down the soul in one particular area you're going to find there's an effect in lots of different areas of your body and sensation-wise. [00:18:59.08]

And remember every physical sensation that's in your body is a connection point to your soul. So the soul absorbs feelings and sensations and emotions. So while I'm shutting down certain feelings within my soul, I am also shutting down the soul's ability to experience the sensations that are coming from the bodies, from the spiritual and the material body. As a result of that I am shutting down the body's ability to have the full expression of the sensory expression given to the soul, which means the soul now is completely suppressed in those particular areas.

11.3.2. Suppressing the soul also suppresses bodily sensations

Now when it comes to issues of things like orgasm, this requires a large sensitivity to touch and feel and feelings and so forth, and if you're suppressing all the emotions you cause the suppression of those bodily areas. This is one thing most people don't understand either, when you suppress your emotion you also suppress the sensory apparatus of your bodies, your spiritual and material bodies. And your spiritual and material body become less sensitive to touch, less sensitive to stimulus, less sensitive to pain, less sensitive to pleasure as a direct result of shutting down different emotions in the soul.

And so many people are complaining that their body doesn't seem to work very well but not understanding that this is under the direct control of the shutting down of the soul's emotions. And remember the soul is not just emotions, it's also sensory input. So all of these sensory inputs of all of these different experiences that come through the physical and the spiritual bodies enter the soul, and if we're shutting down the soul we're shutting down the emotional experience of the sensory inputs, which has the effect of dulling the sensory input.

In other words we can no longer feel certain parts of our body even and we can even get to the point where we no longer even feel it as a sensation if we shut down our emotions to a large degree. And people have experienced that where they've gotten to the point where they've shut down this, shut down that, shut down this that they can't even experience pain anymore and they can't experience pleasure anymore. They finish up even cutting themselves and doing all sorts of things to themselves just to feel, not understanding that the reason why they've gotten into this particular condition is because of their choice exercised to shut down one or two specific emotions, one or two specific feelings that they feel is painful. [00:21:38.22]

11.4. An example of suppressing pleasurable emotions

Interviewer: So you spoke about this idea that just shutting down one emotion, but with the level of overwhelm or the level of allowance of emotion affects globally the level of allowance of all emotions and sometimes we shut down pleasure don't we?

Of course, yeah, for all sorts of reasons.

Interviewer: Sometimes there's a fear associated with pleasure that causes us to shut down.

Yes and a lot of people are afraid of being controlled by their pleasure. So in other words their fear of a lack of control causes them to shut down their pleasure. So they want control and in order to have control they shut down their pleasure so that they're no longer drawn into feeling controlled by their pleasure.

And as a result of that they're also shutting down other parts of their soul, they're shutting down all parts of their soul, not just the pleasure centre in that particular area where they're shutting down.

11.4.1. An example of suppressing love and sexual pleasure

So for example if we use another sexual example here because it's common in a sexual example and that is a person, let's say a person is afraid of love. They're afraid of ever entering a love-based relationship and they realise that their sexual pleasure may draw them into a love-based relationship at some point. So in other words they understand that if they enter a sexual interaction with somebody that they may become so overwhelmed by the joy of the sexual pleasure of the interaction, that they want the person so much that now they feel their life's out of control.

So what they do instead of allowing all of that to occur is they shut down their heart to love and shut down their heart to any sexual pleasure. Now of course that means that they'll shut down their own sexual pleasure even through masturbation or anything. They'll shut down all of that as well as a natural result. They'll also shut down a lot of other experiences of pleasure and pain that they may have throughout their life as a result of attempting to greatly suppress this particular aspect of their life.

So it can happen with regard to pleasure or pain, it might not be just pain that causes us to shut down all of our soul, but it can also be our pleasure, or our fear of pleasure and where pleasure may lead us that causes us to shut down our soul.

You see this happen with a lot of people who are religious. They have a deep fear of exercising pleasure in disharmony with what they believe to be God's Laws and so what they do is they shut down their sexual desires or they shut down their "pleasures" that they believe are out of harmony with God's Laws. But the problem is that as a result of that they start shutting down all pleasure and they start shutting down all pain. They become less and less sensitive to the things that they do until they have some kind of awakening to what's really going on.

11.5. Suppression of any emotion will affect the full experience of all other emotions

Interviewer: Sure. But a lot of us frankly we just want to avoid discomfort, don't we...

Most of the time.

Interviewer: ... and still want to have pleasure. We still want to party but not have any hard times.

And this is where the partying has to become more and more intense in order to be felt. This is why people turn to drugs when they're partying, they're not happy with the dance anymore, they have to have a dance with drugs and alcohol and lots of sex and even then it didn't feel satisfying. And the reason why is because we desensitised to the actual pleasure that the original thing could have brought us because we've shut down our ability to experience the sensory pleasure that results from it. [00:25:18.03]

Interviewer: So then the first part of this is really the willingness I have to experience any emotion will affect my capacity to experience any other emotion.

Exactly!

Interviewer: So the least amount that I'm open to an emotion is the maximum amount I'll be open to any other emotions, is that correct?

Well it's not strictly correct because we may allow certain other emotions to a greater degree but they will be suppressed in their experience is what I'm saying.

Interviewer: Yes, they won't be their full experience.

They won't be their full experience; they can never be their full experience. You will never be satisfied by the experience of it because you're already suppressing in another area. Suppression in one area causes suppression of all areas, maybe to a lesser degree but it still causes the suppression.

11.5.1. An example of childhood sexual trauma

Interviewer: You used the instance of sexual pleasure or sexual terror let's say. Say someone's abused in their childhood and there's a lot of sexual trauma and terror that as they grow they suppress or at the time they're suppressing in order to survive and...

And usually their parents or surroundings or the abuser themselves suppresses it in the person.

Interviewer: So they enter adulthood with a lot of suppression of these specific emotions. Now is it true that then especially the groups of emotions surrounding intimacy and sex will be the most suppressed in them and they might have more allowance of other emotions in other areas?

They may have more allowance of other emotions but the problem with all of the other emotions is they will also be suppressed. So in other words the joy that they'll experience in all aspects of their life will be suppressed, not just the area that revolves around sexual activity or love-based relationships. So this is a problem that if you choose to not heal and suppress certain emotions within you, you are really choosing the complete suppression of your soul in all of its aspects to varying degrees, depending on the relationship those degrees have with the original problem. But you are suppressing every aspect, every aspect. Even aspects that are completely unrelated you are suppressing.

Interviewer: So in that example, as a woman who's been abused and she enters adulthood, now the area of sexuality in her life is damaged and suppressed, she's not dealing with it so sexual pleasure doesn't happen and there's all this sexual terror inside of her.

Or she only gets sexual pleasure when she's in a you know...

Interviewer: An abusive situation.

... in a controlling situation or abusive situation.

Interviewer: When she's in control or someone's controlling her.

Yeah one of the two probably usually happens.

Interviewer: But that's still a suppression of...

Still a suppression of what could be the actual pleasure, which is a beautiful loving relationship where both people are open and experiencing the pleasure.

Interviewer: Got you. And say in other areas of life she's an aunty and she's got a great career and all of these other things, from what you're saying in this principle though there will still be a suppression or an impedance on the level of emotion and joy she's going to be able to experience...

From anything.

Interviewer: ... in those other aspects of her life.

Everything! Every aspect of her life. This why you find people who've been abused often suppress the sexual part of their life or they act out their sexual part of their life. But also in doing this they actively engage a lot of other activities trying to distract themselves, but they never get full satisfaction from those particular activities either. They are good at them but they never feel personally satisfied and that's because their soul is suppressed to satisfaction and because of the suppression that's occurred based on the painful experience.

Interviewer: It's quite a powerful principle.

11.6. Alleviating the suppression of, but not acting upon, unloving desires

Yeah if a person fully understands this principle they will start to understand the total necessity of remaining open to all emotion, and the total futility of trying to suppress one single emotion. If they could understand that it's a completely futile process suppressing emotion because all you're doing is you're suppressing the potential of your future joy, and this obviously is going to be very, very damaging to a soul that wishes to grow.

Now also bearing in mind that Divine Love is a joy to receive, if you're suppressing any one emotion you're suppressing the experience of any love that will have entered you as well and this obviously is going to have a big effect on your life. So even if we look at it from the perspective of receiving Divine Love, it's a very damaging thing to do, to suppress emotions inside your soul. [00:30:17.28]

Now I'm not suggesting you have to act upon every emotion inside of your soul. So I'm not suggesting that you feel an emotion that is a feeling of maybe a feeling of doing something degrading and you choose to act upon it because to not do it would be a suppression, I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting that the degrading desire comes from a suppressed emotion underneath that and what you need to do is discover what that emotion is, or with the help of God's Love remove it as a cause from within your soul, so that you no longer feel the degrading desire.

So rather than suppressing the degrading desire, you are better off feeling the degrading desire without acting upon it and allowing yourself to understand its cause or the reason for its existence. If you do that you will discover the reason, and with the help of Divine Love, you can even erase the reason for the degrading thought or the desire for the degrading action. And as a result of that you won't take the action in the future mistakenly or willingly through forgetting to control the degrading action. Once you remove the cause in the soul then there's no need to be afraid of taking any further actions along that path because the cause for taking those actions has disappeared.

What I'm suggesting is that if you shut down the emotional experience, in other words if you feel a degrading feeling within yourself, a feeling that you want to take an action that you know is out of harmony with love and you suppress it, you are now suppressing all aspects of your soul. So this is not going to be very helpful to you in your future in terms of experiencing joy. What you need to do is allow the expression of the feeling or the desire that would normally cause you to act in a degraded way and instead of acting on it, feel it instead and feel it enough so that you connect with the underlying cause. Now that is not suppressing your soul. It's the choice to not feel it and the choice to suppress the feeling of it that is going to suppress your soul and therefore suppress all other aspects of your soul.

Interviewer: Because a lot of us feel that's how we be a good person is, to suppress those things.

Of course and that's why it never works. Sooner or later in our future, whether it's on Earth or in the spirit world, we usually finish up doing the things that we've tried to suppress in our past unless we have allowed ourselves to feel them and find the cause.

11.7. An example of suppressing emotions during the course of a working day

Interviewer: So let's take an example again. I'm at work and it's a long day I've been really busy. Right before it's time to go home my boss calls me into their office and she says there's these problems with what you've been doing and unless you fix this we're in dire straights. And there's lots of feelings that come up in me of guilt, worry, feeling ashamed, being disapproved of. I walk out of the office I kick my toe, I feel terrible...

This is another indication that you're already suppressing the emotions you've just felt. (Laughs)

Interviewer: I walk out the door and I go, "Thank God that day's over. I'm going to go home to have a big glass of wine." Now what is going on and how does this apply to the principle of suppression?

I'm going home to have a big glass of wine; the wine is a great way of suppressing or depressing the experience of these sad emotions that you're feeling. So it's a choice to suppress, if you choose to suppress you're going to find that different aspects of your life are going to be affected besides the one that just got affected by the exposure of these emotions.

So my suggestion is, instead of doing that, would be if we're in a perfect world, you'd sit in the office having a good cry while you're getting told these things and you'd feel tired and overwhelmed and exhausted in that moment. Now for most people they don't allow that to occur and ironically if you did allow that to occur, you'd probably receive less attack from your boss (laughter) than you finished up getting in the stoic defence. [00:34:44.25]

But most people don't allow that so they get the continued attack from their boss until they leave but then if they walked out the door and felt the feelings of it all and allow themselves to truly feel the feelings that were triggered, they would probably sit in their car and have a good cry for twenty minutes about the different emotions that they felt as a result - unappreciated and a lot of other emotions that they would have felt. By the time they got home their soul would not be suppressed, they would not need a drink and they'd also probably enjoy whatever happened at home.

Interviewer: And then their kids get home from school and they'd have much more energy, and pleasure at seeing them.

Energy, joy and pleasure. And in fact if they had released the emotion related to the work-based event, by the time they got home the work-based event wouldn't even be in their mind, they wouldn't even be thinking about it anymore. When it's fully released you don't even think about it anymore. So it wouldn't even bother them anymore. They'd wake up the next day completely like unaffected and happy and unaffected by the experience.

When we suppress though; so we suppressed it in the office, we didn't sit in the car and have a cry, we got home, we didn't have a cry when we got home, we suppressed that, we have our drink that helps suppress even further. Then we'll have a troubled night's sleep all sorts of things, all sorts of other pain occurs as a result of this suppression with the addition, and anything that happens at home that we could have otherwise enjoyed we would not be able to enjoy.

So for example if our husband comes home all amorous and wants to make love we won't be able to do that either.

Interviewer: Or if we do we won't really be having pleasure.

If we do we won't be really having pleasure, we won't be in it. If our children come home and we want to hear the joy of their day, we won't be actually able to connect with the joy of their day either because there are all these other aspects of our lives that are getting shut down because we've chosen to shut down this particular part of our soul.

11.8. Negative effects of suppressing emotion over a lifetime

Interviewer: And that's like a microcosm of really what you're saying happens on a lifetime scale.

Yes.

Interviewer: So that's one...

You think about every single day the Law of Attraction brings people events that cause them to feel and experience certain emotions that they don't want to feel. And instead of allowing themselves to feeling it, in other words instead of being humble, they won't allow themselves to feel it so they suppress, not understanding that suppression is going to cause further damage to their own soul and further damage in their ability to experience joy in the future.

Interviewer: Because in that example we gave a lot of people would say, "Yeah well she had a stressful day at work of course things aren't going to go that great when she gets home."

I don't agree. If she had cried before she got home, she would find that things would be great when she gets home. If she released the emotion that the event triggers, the event that she has attracted because of her own emotions actually and if she released the emotion the event triggered, by the time she got home she'd be back in a place of joy. [00:37:55.26]

Interviewer: And over many years because events are bringing us things to trigger past suppression and if we continue to suppress, it's like compacting the soul and forming barrier upon barrier over these emotions that we're afraid to feel.

And this is the reason why many people are so suppressed by the time get to eighty or ninety years of age, and you can feel how suppressed they are; most people can feel how suppressed they are. It's not like it requires any sensitivity to feel how suppressed they are. They are so suppressed because of a lifetime of suppression, not understanding that every suppression that they engage through their lifetime has caused their soul to shrink and caused the expression of other more positive emotions to also shrink. So they get to a point where you can't even feel any positive emotions in them anymore.

Interviewer: Yeah, got you. So in the example of the woman who comes home from work, a lot of people might dismiss her bad night as stress but really we're saying that she's suppressing an aspect of herself. So next month when she goes on holiday she's not even going to experience as much joy as she could have because she's suppressed this thing. And in ten year's time at her daughter's wedding, she's still not going to feel as much joy as she could have because she's suppressing and by this time continually suppressing this...

And probably other emotions. You see she would be attracting events that trigger these emotions as well because God wants us to express them rather than suppress them. So because over this period of time now she will have attracted a long series of events to trigger these particular same emotions through her soul's condition, attracting these events through the Law of Attraction. She was suppressing every one of them, not realising that not only is she suppressing the experience of the particular event but now she's adding further damage to the soul in the sense that she's suppressing other aspects of joy, other aspects of pleasure inside of the soul, which now also will need to be exposed through negative attractions. [00:40:12.17]

So you're creating a minefield for your own soul when you suppress one emotion. And I feel that if people fully understood what effects it had, they would look at this aspect of suppression and go, "Whoa I'm never going to do that again." (Laughs) It is such a powerfully negative thing to do to your own soul to suppress any emotion.

Interviewer: Yes. And if we put that then from the opposite perspective; say five years ago when we met I feel like I'd been suppressing a lot of emotion for a long time and a lot of us are as adults, we're just seeking pleasure suppressing everything negative...

And using alcohol, drugs all sorts of external stimuli or depressants.

Interviewer: Lots of external things and distractions.

And distractions; even using time. We keep ourselves busy so we don't have to feel that's another distraction and so by the end we hardly feel anything.

Interviewer: And a lot of people reach middle age and go, "Hmm nothing feels very good anymore."

Exactly, this is why.

Interviewer: Nothing.

11.9. Beneficial effects of ceasing suppression of an emotion

Interviewer: So what's the possibility for us as adults if we have been suppressing a lot of things and suddenly we connect to just one thing? Does this mean that suddenly our potential for experiencing joy suddenly...?

Yes, the opposite is also the case. If I have an allowance of one emotion above all others, then obviously all other emotional experiences will also expand. So this is the positive aspect of this principle of the soul.

This is why you find people have sort of an amazing experience of some kind in their thirties, forties or fifties that all of a sudden softens them to a heap of other experiences. This is what happens, their soul is suppressed, one aspect of it sort of breaks out of the suppression through the Law of Attraction attracting an event that causes them to enable a desire within them, and all of a sudden they grab hold of that desire. Now because they've grabbed hold of that desire and also allowed this emotion above all others, all other emotional experiences also expand in their potential. This also means that all other painful emotional experiences that have been suppressed also expand, which also means that there is the potential that they'll have a great experience and then bawl for a week (laughs) because they've allowed the greater expansion of their soul's experience of all emotion.

Interviewer: Is this what happens sometimes when people, say, have their first child and suddenly there's this expansion of joy and it's so emotional and suddenly they feel all these other things.

And suddenly they start crying every day, sometimes in joy, sometimes in pain and half the time they don't even know why they're crying, and people call it depression. Depression can be the suppression of emotion but when a person's crying all the time and it's not as a result of suppression but rather as a result of allowance, then you'll actually feel like an expansion of the soul is occurring.

Interviewer: Yes and they feel softer rather than someone who feels...

They feel softer rather than harder.

Interviewer: ... depressed, feels quite distant from themselves often.

11.10. Depression results from suppression

A person who's depressed is actually suppressing rage so the major emotion you feel from a person who's depressed generally is the rage that's underneath the suppression. The reality is that a person who's depressed or getting depressed a lot needs to allow the expression of their rage, not towards the people they are in a rage with, but by going outside and hitting a baseball bat against a bag or something and yelling and screaming and swearing until it's all out of them. Then they'll connect to some of their fear and sadness that's underneath that. But if they suppress the emotion of rage they go into depression.

It's clinically accepted that depression is a state where you can't even feel anything, you can't feel touch, your sensation, sexual pleasure, emotional pleasure, joy, and this is a case of full suppression. But oftentimes the depression is limited to just one or two emotions that have been attempted to suppress.

Interviewer: And if people can access that then suddenly...

Then all the other aspects of their soul will grow and...

Interviewer: ... the depression is gone.

... and the depression will go and that's another thing they don't understand; that this principle of suppression is the major cause of depression on the planet. And you can see too that women are I think it's about three to five times more susceptible to depression than men.

Interviewer: So why is that?

Because women are more accepting of suppressing rage than men. Men usually allow the experience of their rage oftentimes in ways that are not very nice but they do allow the experience. Whereas women generally won't allow the experience of their rage or anger and as a result they suppress their rage and anger and get into a state that's depressed.

This is a cultural thing. Culturally, it's more acceptable for men to express anger than it is culturally for women to express anger and this is one of the main reasons why women are more susceptible to depression than men; because they don't understand the principles of suppression. They suppress their anger, they're now going to get depression and be depressed because by the time you get to anger you're already suppressing quite a lot; you're suppressing grief and fear and all of your addictions not being met. So you're suppressing a whole line of things by the time you get to anger and then if you've suppressed anger, there's no more emotion to suppress. Now you go into depression, a state where you seemingly don't have any emotion or seemingly can't experience any emotion. [00:46:24.22]

So I feel that if people understood suppression, a lot of so-called mental illnesses would also be alleviated.

11.10.1. Suppression encourages negative spirit influence

People also don't understand that suppression has a major affect on spirit activity in terms of over-cloaking of spirits on a person on Earth. When you suppress a particular emotion, spirits use that particular emotion that you're suppressing in order to control you. The emotion you're suppressing is usually an emotion you're afraid of and then spirits can use this fear against you, they get you to do things you wouldn't normally do by manipulating this emotion inside of you that you're unwilling to experience. Most people are not aware that it's the suppression of their soul that causes all spirit attraction. So when I say all spirit attraction, all malevolent spirit attraction is caused by suppression of something inside of the soul.

So again if you suppress the soul, you're not only inviting your own depression or your own suppression of all of your emotion, but you're also inviting spirits, people who have lived on Earth who are now in the spirit world, coming along and influencing your life through the things you are suppressing. And that obviously has a huge effect on people's lives on the planet. In fact people have no idea how much spirit influence is affecting most people's lives because of their suppression.

12. Closing words

So this point of suppression is a very important aspect of the soul to understand and a very important thing to get emotionally inside of yourself. To understand that every time I suppress a particular thing inside of myself, and usually it's a painful experience that I'm trying to suppress, I am not only suppressing the rest of myself but I am also inviting control externally, whether its people on Earth or people in the spirit world, who will now control me through the thing that I'm trying to suppress. So you're inviting a lot of very, very difficult things when you choose to suppress your emotion.

Now I feel that's it's much more simple to just allow the expression of the emotion because when you allow the expression of emotion none of the subsequent results of suppression occur. You have the ability to experience joy as well as pain but in addition to that you are not controlled by people externally and in particular not controlled by spirits whom you can't see. So there are a lot of advantages to understanding the law of suppression on the soul and how suppression occurs.

Interviewer: Thank you it's very valuable.

No worries, it's a pleasure. Thanks guys.

Interviewer: Thank you.

Appendix: How The Human Soul Functions Interview Outline

### Notes

Must firstly have a discussion about the differences between the mind and the soul, and how these differences relate to Truth. Please understand that these comments apply to a person in their first incarnation, which means that everyone currently on earth, and who has ever been on earth, with the exception of 14 people.

For the 14 who have reincarnated, these truths still apply, but there are additional factors that must be considered which we shall not discuss here. At some future time, we can discuss how these rules effect the development of a reincarnated person.

### Introduction

God made a foolproof system with the soul. God did not design the same system for the mind. This is because the mind is a part of the physiological functions of the soul, rather than being the soul itself. The mind is an attribute of the soul. The soul has many other attributes and characteristics, some of which are far more important to develop than the mind, and some of which are far more powerful in determining the Divine Truth than the mind has the capacity to absorb. The soul eventually contains the mind, but has many more attributes than just the mind.

For example, humility is a far more important attribute to develop than developing the intellect. The reason for this is that if a person is not humble, on any single subject, then their mind is not capable of absorbing any new truth about the same subject. The mind that is not driven by humility that exists in the soul is always in opposition or disagreement with what is often logically obvious to a humble person. In addition, without humility in the soul, the mind will be driven to defend its own position, even when that position is obviously out of harmony with love, logic and truth.

Another example is Love. Love is a far more important attribute to develop than developing the intellect. The mind is also not capable of experiencing the feelings of love. The mind is totally incapable of understanding some of the workings of the universe without the soul understanding love, both Natural love (coming from within the human) and Divine Love (coming from God's Soul). It matters not how much is discussed with such a mind; the soul attached to the mind will not have the capacity to understand the truth about how the universe actually works, without the soul receiving Divine Love from God. The mind will not have the capacity to understand Natural love without the soul having developed its own Natural love to some degree.

As such, the mind by itself is incapable of determining, absorbing, or understanding all the Divine Truths of the universe, without the other attributes or characteristics of the soul being engaged along with, and controlling, the mind's processes. If any person elects to just listen to the Truth with their mind, they will never become atone with God, nor will they ever actually understand or be able to automatically practice the Divine Truth in their daily life, nor can they ever be automatically loving in all circumstances and conditions.

The mind, by itself, or influenced by a soul in error with regard to Love, can be completely irrational and illogical, while, at the same time, believing itself to be completely sane, rational and logical.

The mind is controlled by the soul. The mind cannot ever fully control the soul, since the soul is not an attribute of the mind, nor is it subordinate to the mind, but rather, the mind is subordinate to the soul, because it is one of the many attributes of the soul. The soul will always eventually determine the beliefs, actions, thoughts, and words of the individual.

When it comes to the absorption of Truth by the soul, and the mind, there are a number of basic "understandings" regarding how the soul operates than one needs to understand before we can really discuss what it means to Live In Truth. My references to Truth in the discussion below, all refer to God's Truth, Divine Truth or as it can also be called, the Absolute Truth of the universe.

### 1. Understanding Preclusion

This understanding is based upon the basic Absolute Truth about how the soul operates. God created the soul so that Truth and error cannot exist within the same soul, at the same time, on the same subject.

Preclusion is the principle that; if a certain Truth on a given subject is within the soul, it precludes error on the same subject from existing in the soul at the same time, and if error exists within the soul, it precludes truth on the same subject from existing within the soul at the same time.

This understanding of preclusion helps the individual understand and accept the current STATE or CONDITION of their own soul development, in contrast to the current state of their mind. i.e. This can demonstrate to the individual that the true STATE of their soul is that the Truth on the subject has yet to enter, even when they believe it has entered. This can also explain to the person why they are still finding it difficult to act in harmony with the Truth they have believed themselves to have already accepted (it is not yet in the soul).

The soul does not operate like the mind with regard to the existence of Truth. With the mind, truth and error are capable of existing in the same mind at the same time on the same subject. Thoughts can be experienced (either from the external environment or coming from the operations of the soul), that can be in complete disharmony with one another.

E.g.

Truth – My soul, the real me, is the pinnacle of the creation of God

Error – I want to have a drink of alcohol

Mind A person can believe with their mind they are the pinnacle of God's creation, while at the same time believe in their mind that having a drink of alcohol is in harmony with the first belief and will satisfy them, and can be justified.

Soul If the soul actually believes and feels the Truth that "I am the pinnacle of the creation of God", then the same soul could never generate the feeling "I feel like drinking alcohol". The reason for this is that if the first truth based feeling actually existed in the soul, then it precludes the second feeling (which would damage the brain of the physical body, and potentially attract negative spirit influence which the soul would wish to avoid) from existing in the soul at the same time.

E.g.

Truth – It is not loving to be violent

Error – I want to punch that guy in the face

Mind – The mind can in a logical discussion generally see that it would not be an act of love to become violent with someone else. However, at the same time, the same mind can feel anger and rage towards another, and even physically harm the other with violence.

Soul – If the soul actually believes and feels the Truth that "It is not loving to be violent", then the same soul could never generate the feeling "I feel like punching that guy in the face". The reason for this is that if the first truth based feeling actually existed in the soul, then it precludes the second feeling (which would damage the person who is the recipient of violence, potentially damage the giver of violence, and damage the soul feelings of both parties) from existing in the soul at the same time.

### 2. Understanding Absorption

This understanding is based upon the basic Absolute Truth about how the soul operates. God created the soul so that Truth and error cannot exist within the same soul, at the same time, on the same subject.

Absorption is the principle that; Truth cannot be absorbed by the soul (flow into the soul) on a given subject, while error existing with the soul precludes the absorption of the Truth, and, error cannot be absorbed by the soul (flow into the soul) on a given subject while Truth is present and precludes the absorption of the error.

This understanding of absorption helps the individual understand and reflect upon the process of CHANGE (change of state or condition) as it affects the soul. i.e. For Truth to enter into the soul, error must first be released from the soul or not already be present. For error to enter the soul, Truth must first either be relinquished, or not be already present within the soul.

If an individual has heard what they believe is the Truth, and believes they have accepted such Truth, but is also aware that the soul contains beliefs and emotions that are in disharmony with the Truth, and they often act upon those disharmonious emotions, then this is proof that the Truth heard has really yet to enter the soul and cause CHANGE to the soul, and therefore only exists as a belief in their mind.

The soul does not operate like the mind with regard to the absorption of new Truth or error. The mind is capable of absorbing new truth while at the same time retaining the old error, and while the soul itself retains error. The mind is also capable of absorbing new error while the mind itself (not the soul) retains Truth. However, the mind is incapable of absorbing new error while the soul retains Truth.

E.g.

Truth – Violence towards anyone is not loving

Error – That person has made me angry, so violence towards them is justified

Mind – The mind can in a logical discussion generally see that it would not be an act of love to become violent with someone else. However, at the same time, the soul of the individual in error may feel enraged with another person, and this will cause the same mind to allow anger and rage being expressed in violent action, and the mind will also justify its own action. The mind can believe itself to be free of the error, while at the same time justifying violence towards individuals or groups.

Soul – If the soul actually believes and feels the Truth that "Violence towards anyone is not loving", then the same soul could never generate the feeling of justified violence. In addition, if the soul felt violence was justified, then this error based position (which has been created sometime in the past by the soul absorbing the emotional error and therefore the justification) would first need to be released emotionally from the soul before the same soul could be free of the feelings of justified violence. This soul cannot live the truth without first releasing the error.

### 3. Understanding Dominance

This understanding is based upon the basic Absolute Truths that the soul contains the mind, or is able to contain the mind, and that the mind itself is one of many attributes of the soul, and not the soul itself. The mind is not independent of the soul in its functioning, since the mind is one of many organs that the soul uses to express itself.

Dominance is the principle that; the soul dominates the mind, and has full control over the mind, whether the mind believes itself to be in control or not. The mind is not capable of ever having full control of the soul, and the soul will always, at some point in our future, exercise its dominance since that is the purpose of its own creation.

Since the soul is emotion, sentiment, desire, passion, longing, aspiration, feeling, sensory, fervour, excitement, and with other similar attributes and characteristics, and not dominantly intellectual or mental, and the mind is just one single attribute or organ of the soul, it is impossible for a Truth to enter the soul without being accompanied with emotional feelings in addition to logical thought. In addition, it is also impossible for error to enter or leave the soul without emotional feelings.

E.g.

Truth – Violence towards anyone is not loving

Error – That person has made me angry, so violence towards them is justified

Mind – The mind can reason logically that violence is not loving. However, the same mind at the same time can state that under certain conditions violence may be loving. The lack of logic results from error in the soul that causes the justification of the illogical position.

Soul – The soul reasons with emotions, sentiments, feelings, desires, passions, and other similar attributes. For this reason, if the soul feels that violence under certain conditions is loving, no amount of intellectual reasoning with the mind will correct that position. In addition, the feeling of justified violence in the soul will only be able to be released through an emotional process. Once this process is complete, the truth (that no violence is justified) easily enters the soul. Until this time, the soul repels the truth, because truth and error cannot exist within the same soul on the same subject at the same time.

### 4. Understanding Progression

This understanding is based upon the basic Absolute Truth that the soul is unable to progress by only experiencing change within the mind. The soul can only progress by change occurring with the soul, and this progress can only be obtained through the painful release of error, and the joyful acceptance of Truth.

Progression is the principle that; true progression within the soul can only be obtained through an emotional process that will involve both pain (associated with emotions related to error) and pleasure (associated with emotions related to Truth). If the soul denies either pain or pleasure, or uses its mind to deny pain or pleasure, progression cannot occur.

One immediate and permanent characteristic or indication that Truth has entered the soul is that it must have been an emotional process. It also fundamentally suggests that one characteristic of the release or acceptance of error in the soul is that it also must be an emotional process.

E.g.

Truth – Violence towards anyone is not loving

Error – That person has made me angry, so violence towards them is justified

Soul – If a child is taught, through the parents example of treatment of the child, that a person who loves them also can sometimes be violent with them, this teaching will have entered the child through painful emotional processes. For the truth to enter the soul, these painful emotional experiences that justify the error must be released from the soul. If this error is released from the soul, then there will be accompanying emotions relating to the Truth entering the soul. This process will often happen almost at the same time.

### 5. Understanding Resistance

This understanding is based upon the basic Absolute Truth about how the soul operates. God created the soul so that Truth and error cannot exist within the same soul, at the same time, on the same subject.

Resistance is the principle that; Truth enters the soul when there is no emotional impediment (as error) resisting the absorption of the truth. Error enters the soul when there is no emotional impediment (as Truth) resisting the absorption of the error. Emotional impediments are under the control of the Will of the individual in that the will can be exercised to emotionally release the reason for resistance (this is a part of humility).

This principle defines the REASONS for the "inability to absorb" (which is resistance), in that all absorption (whether Truth or error) occur due to emotional openings within the soul; emotional openings that have been created by the Will of the individual to emotionally release the resistance.

Emotional impediments of error are created by the soul being unable to fully utilise its mind and other attributes (especially love and humility) to resist the absorption of the impediment. This especially occurs during childhood, while the emotional and intellectual development of the soul is yet to mature.

E.g.

Truth – Violence towards anyone is not loving

Error – That person has made me angry, so violence towards them is justified

Soul – In order for the truth that "violence is not loving" to enter the soul, the emotional impediment of a child's parents having been violent in the past towards them and claiming that they still love them, must be released from the soul. While the soul retains the emotional feeling that a person can be violent and loving at the same time, this impediment will prevent the actual truth from entering their soul. All of their actions, and many of their thoughts, will indicate that they still feel in their soul that violence is sometimes justified when you love. (e.g. jealous rages, jealousy, anger, resentment of people they love).

When a person is a child, since both their emotional capacity and intellectual processes are still in development, it is difficult for them to prevent emotional errors from entering because they have not experienced consciously the emotional truths, and because they are under the direct control of their parents or caregivers will, which is often full of contradictions and errors. During their childhood, they absorb emotional impediments to Divine Truth (errors), and as a result, until these errors are released through experience, they will be unable to absorb Divine Truth.

### 6. Understanding Presence

This understanding is based upon the basic Absolute Truth that since God is Love, and God also created all Absolute Truth, any real Truth can only exist in the presence of Love.

Presence is the principle that; for Truth to be present and absorbed by the soul, Love must also be present.

A person who has Truth in themselves, who honours the loving principle of the soul's free will, and who wishes to share some "Truth", under all circumstances:

a) will be able to tell you the Truth about yourself if they have learnt the same Truth themselves, and this Truth is present within their soul, and;

b) will be able to logically describe the Truth, and define how it is the Truth, and;

c) will be able to tell you why the condition of error exists within you, and;

d) will be able to show you how to remove this condition of error, and;

e) will want to do all of the above while honouring your free will, and;

f) Love, compassion and understanding will be present and within their own soul while performing the above actions.

A person who does not have Truth in themselves, who does not honour the loving principle of the soul's free will, and who wishes to share some "Truth", under any circumstance:

a) will attempt to attack or denigrate you with their "truth", or;

b) will attempt to belittle or humiliate you with their "truth", or;

c) will have no logical idea or concept as to why their "truth" is the Truth, or;

d) will not be able to tell you why the condition of error exists within you, or;

e) will not be able to show you how to remove this condition of error, and;

f) will not honour your free will to accept or reject the "truth" given; and;

g) will not be able to do any of the above with compassion, love and understanding because Love, compassion and understanding are not present within their own soul.

### 7. Understanding Suppression

This understanding is based upon the basic Absolute Truth about how the soul operates. God created the soul so that all emotions must be allowed to flow in the soul, in order for any particular emotion, desire, passion, aspiration or appetite to be fully experienced and satisfied.

Suppression is the principle that; a person using their will to suppress any one emotion within the soul, will also suppress the entire soul and be therefore unable to experience all emotions to the full extent, whether the emotion being suppressed is painful or pleasurable, and whether the emotion desired is pleasurable.

The soul is incapable of responding with sensitivity to all emotions when the will is used by the individual to suppress any one particular emotion. This will particularly apply to any emotions that have a similar flavour or quality to the emotion being suppressed.

E.g.

Truth – I want to follow my desires

Error – I wish to suppress my feelings of fear

While fear is being suppressed, it is highly unlikely that a person will follow their desires, unless their desires are in a completely opposite direction to their fears, due to suppression of the fear. When fear is suppressed, desire is also suppressed, because the soul is not able to selectively suppress emotions without affecting other parts of the soul

E.g.

Truth – Anger with the opposite sex needs to be felt in order to be released

Error – I wish to suppress my sexual anger and rage

In this example, since the anger is with the opposite sex, and assuming that the sexual attraction is with the opposite sex (i.e. the soul does not have a homosexual nature), then while the person suppresses their anger with the opposite sex, due to the principle of suppression, the same person also will not be able to fully experience sexual pleasure with the opposite sex. This is one of the primary reasons why many woman cannot experience easy orgasm with their male partners.

If sexual anger is allowed in one party (which is an unloving emotion), then the only time that sexual fulfilment will result for both parties is when sexual anger or fear is allowed as a feeling in the partner as well.

