EVERY EMOTION FLOODED IN.
>> SO IT IS JUST THE SHOCKING 
DETAILS OF THIS CRIME AT LAST 
GETTING PEOPLE UPSET.
FOR CONSERVATIVE RADIO SHOW 
HERE.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT IS?
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT IS?
WHAT'S MISSING IN THIS STORY?
>> AND THEY DO IT EVERY TIME.
>> DO IT EVERY TIME.
EVERY TIME.
>> SO YOU ALMOST ARE GUARANTEED 
THAT IF THE RACE ISN'T MENTIONED
IN A STORY LIKE THIS, IT'S 
BECAUSE THEY'RE BLACK.
>> BOY THEY'RE BEING DRAWN TO 
THIS RELUCTANTLY.
THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO GET 
ANYWHERE NEAR THIS.
AND THE REASON THEY DON'T IS 
BECAUSE THIS IS BLACK-ON-WHITE 
CRIME.
AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN!
IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WORLD 
THAT THEY PORTRAY, IN THE 
MAINSTREAM
ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I WANTED TO 
COME NATURALLY TO YOU.
>> FAIR ENOUGH.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THEY HAVE A POINT THAT TRAYVON 
MARTIN, RACE BECAME AN ISSUE IN 
THIS.
BUT THIS DIDN'T.
DO THEY HAVE A POINT?
>> NO, THEY DON'T HAVE A POINT.
FIRST OF ALL, THE MEDIA COVERAGE
ON THIS HAS BEEN PROBABLY MORE 
INTENSE THAN IT WAS ON TRAYVON 
RIGHT AFTER IT HAPPENED.
IT TOOK MONTHS FOR THE TRAYVON 
MARTIN CONTROVERSY TO COME TO 
THE NATIONAL MEDIA.
AND IT ONLY CAME TO THE NATIONAL
MEDIA, BECAUSE HE WASN'T 
ARRESTED.
>> BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ARREST, 
BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH 
DYSFUNCTION IN THE PROCESS.
HERE, THE ALLEGED KILLERS HAVE 
BEEN ARRESTED, THEY'VE BEEN 
CHARGED.
IF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH
TRAYVON, WE WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW 
WHO TRAYVON WAS.
>> BUT MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING 
THAT IS MAKING AN EXCUSE BECAUSE
RACE IS A THIRD RAIL IN THIS 
COUNTRY.
AND IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, IF
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THREE WHITE 
GUYS AND WOULD HAVE DONE THAT TO
A BLACK GUY, IMMEDIATELY, THE 
MEDIA WOULD HAVE JUMPED TO RACE.
BEN FERGUSON?
GO AHEAD.
>> YEAH, WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, 
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD JESSE 
JACKSON, AL SHARPTON, AND MANY 
OTHER LEADERSS OUT THERE WOULD E
EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID WITH 
TRAYVON MARTIN.
AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S A WHITE 
KID THAT'S PROFILED.
WE NOW KNOW FROM SOME OF THE 
TWEETS FROM ONE OF THE GUYS THAT
HAD THE GUN, THAT HE SAID, WHITE
PEOPLE DISGUST ME, AND ANOTHER 
TIME HE SAID, I HATE ALL WHITE 
PEOPLE.
AND THERE WAS MULTIPLE TWEETS 
BASED ON RACE IN THERE, DROPPING
THE "N" WORD, AND THEN SAYING, 
I'M GOING TO GET THE WHITEYS AND
THAT KIND OF THING.
THIS IS A CRIME THAT IT'S PRETTY
OBVIOUS HAD SOME RACIAL 
IMPLICATIONS TO IT.
TRULY, BY THOSE THAT DID THE 
CRIME, DAY GO OUT AND FIND A 
RANDOM WHITE PERSON WHO'S 
RUNNING AND KILL HIM.
HOW DOES RACE ALL RIGHT, BEN.
HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
>> BEN, THOSE ARE STRONGMEN.
I HAVE YET TO MEET ANYONE WHO 
SAYS KILLING A WHITE PERSON 
ISN'T A HATE CRIME.
THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO KILL A
WHITE PERSON.
THAT IS BY RACE.
IT'S A HATE CRIME.
THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE IS IF THERE IS A 
DOUBLE STANDARD OR NOT.
AND THERE IS NOT A DOUBLE 
STANDARD.
>> AND THERE IS.
I THINK THERE IS.
>> HOLD ON -- 
>> HOW, BEN?
>> HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE.
WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE 
TRAYVON MARTIN THAT COMES OUT 
AND YOU HAVE MARCHES AND YOU 
HAVE PASTORS AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE
GOING OUT THERE AND ALL THEY'RE 
DOING IS BEATING ON RACE, RACE, 
RACE.
AND THE SAME EXACT THING 
HAPPENS -- 
>> HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
LET'S DO POINT BY POINT HERE.
YOU HAVE PASTORS COMING OUT.
NO ONE'S STOPPING WHITE PASTORS 
FROM COMING OUT AND SAYING 
ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
IF IT IS, WHITE PASTORS CAN HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT IF 
THEY WANT TO, BEN?
>> AND WHO WOULD COVER THAT?
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEHAVE EE
OF A POINT.
SO AFTER THE SHOOTING -- OR 
BEFORE THE SHOOTING, JAMES 
EDWARDS, THE YOUNGEST OF THE 
THREE TWEETED THIS, THAT HE AND 
HIS FRIENDS WERE READY TO TAKE 
SOME LIVES.
BACK IN APRIL HE POSTED, 90% OF 
THE WHITE PEOPLE ARE NASTY.
HE POSTED RAP VIDEOS AND TALKED 
ABOUT BEING A GANGSTER.
WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT THE 
CULTURE AND THE KIND OF PEOPLE 
OR PERSON HE MIGHT BE?
>> WELL, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE
ACTS HE ALLEGEDLY COMMITTED, 
THEY SAY A LOT.
BUT THERE'S NO WAY AHEAD OF TIME
THAT WE CAN LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO 
DOES RAP MUSIC AND DOES CRIMINAL
INTERVENTION.
WE WOULD INTERVENING ON HALF OF 
AMERICA.
>> YOU DON'T THINK THE MEDIA 
WOULD BE JUMPING ON THIS IF THE 
SITUATION WAS REVERSED AND THEY 
SAY, OH, WELL, 90% OF BLACK 
PEOPLE ARE BAD AND WE'LL GO OUT 
AND KILL PEOPLE.
>> I THINK PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT 
THAT AS A SIGN OF SOMETHING 
PROBLEM MAT SATIC AND USE THAT  
EVIDENCE OF A HATE CRIME.
A WEEK AFTER THE MURDER, IT'S 
TOO EARLY TO SAY WE HAVEN'T DONE
IT.
>> MARK, I'VE GOT TO GO.
QUICKLY, HURRY UP.
>> HERE'S THE CORE ISSUE.
IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SWITCHED
AND THOSE TWEETS WOULD HAVE GONE
OUT, WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE FIRST
CHARGE BE A HATE CRIME, AND 
THERE STILL HAS NOT BEEN A HATE 
