terrorize on the line of this terry is
the author of enlightened democracy the
case
for
the electoral college here's a lawyer
and writer focusing on legal and policy
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thanks for joining us
the electoral college was born a and
slavery it was it was
part of the the grand compromise that
included two votes
in the senate for each small state
uh... e but in in it went beyond that it
was uh... it came out of the three
fifths compromise
where the individual states the slave
states
one and to be able to have the number of
members of the house representatives in
busan number of electoral votes for
president
in the uh... you know in the next
and yet they didn't want their slaves to
be able to vote only white people so you
know stealing georgie had maybe a
hundred to one
ratio of uh... white people to slaves
and uh... but deal because of the three
fist provision recursos slaves were
counted
for purposes of representation house
representatives
uh... they also counted them for
purposes of representation in the
electoral vote why should we hang on to
a vestige
of the slavery or
well i read
disagree pretty much your whole
presentation democratic add that if you
probably know that though i do not be
that that the compromise that came from
play free obvi the nuts right there in
the in the
stunning aviv i read the read the
debates in the constitutional convention
of the decree that work in a favorite
flavor it with involved there there
whether discussion at their word after
the competition at congress
and really if you want it
talk about the electoral college being
born into a very happy to have to pay
the whole competition really don't need
to be thrown out because they're wet the
fishy going on in general at the
convention well we've we've added out of
the constitution and i into this was
done
in large part with the thirteenth
fourteenth and fifteen th amendments
uh... but weekly also specifically
depleted parts of the constitution that
basically ratified slavery
or the constitution that said that after
eighteen oh eight that the you know
after the end of the genes of the uh...
of the thomas jefferson presidency
wouldn't no longer be legal to trade in
slaves are you know all the stuff got
basically edited out of the constitution
toward slates wasn't used that everybody
knew it was
you know it was a wink and nod uh... why
not edit this out of the constitution
this is a night say this is the last we
really serious vestige of that
of this of the compromises that had to
be made
by the large states to keep the small
states in the union
because of slavery
it that you write been any compromise
that we've ever made to make that
lofty feel like they were going to be
trampled
by the large date
uh... whether by the way they were one
of the new northern update that didn't
really obediently very or fit with
everybody else degrees we don't need to
get rid of all of that yeah i don't i
don't disagree appear lee democratic
system
in which the fed the mapi will be
trampled all the time
you know i'm not suggesting it had
nothing to do with the we've read about
you know if you if you if you want to
get into that i actually have a solution
to that i uh... it which i think is
small d_ democratic in and and that is
really simple
and that is to limit the size of the
state
to say california's going to become
three states cirrhosis going north
wasn't listens as co
and mexican border up to los angeles
three states texas becomes two states
florida comes to states
new york city because it's on st
uh... if you did that
you wouldn't you would have far more
proportional representation in the
united states right now our senate does
not represent that the composition of
the united states politically racially
dob policy-wise it'd just doesn't
represent the united states you've got
you've got senators
on the aka a group of states they
represent less than thirty percent of
population who are able to block all
legislation
that's that that's insane
i added i would think that the whole
picture differently than your painting
and uh... i've
than commute very little to do with
flavor you would obviously with an
egregious implication that we are all
extremely happy at artnet on but they've
had to do with worked with the founder
study of history and their knowledge
that player democracy implode if and
delaying critical care democracy able
they never suggested that week that we
have a pure democracy this is always a
rough the a constitutionally limited
that brad
representative democratic republic
there is no there was no debater data
doubt about that the question was
whether the you can hold these thirteen
states together
and see that the problem he had a large
states like south carolina in georgia in
particular
was that they had so few white
people white males who could vote in
those states
and yet they demanded to have the you
know let's say in who was president an
essay and what legislation passed the
senate
and as a consequence we had dealt we
have each state has two senators
regardless of the population
and each state has
an electoral vote equal to the number of
members of the house representatives and
the senate that they have plus two
they're good at prison was a governor in
there
their attorney jazz turn each other the
uh... which i got a ride
and and you know all of this was was
because of their was these large
populations in the southern states
who couldn't vote
but the other states one of them to be
counted for purposes of the presidency
in the sun
that there are a lot more to do it
the fact that they were looking for
representative government would have to
do with the fact that they were there
and really delegates in different states
in truckee chatter at all the there
presently conflicted there's date sirhan
a degree mockby i think
actually
very very defensive i can't be other
eighteen others them
prior product name now i don't know
where music that that the whole
convention i do not gentlemen trumped
you
if you have the power
you when you get to our destruction and
that with that kind of out of cuba
prevailed upon the all state delegate
and the electoral college came about
because of that kind of aditi
the feeling the belief of delegate that
they could not trust people in other
states and that they needed protection
that they needed protection for their
own sovereignty for their own
subcultures for their own way of life
within their own state
and we know we had centralized so much
of this country and they put up for the
he admitted to the federal level that
did not the way things were when this
country with first founded i'd fail card
document geo oliver al i think is oliver
ellsworth was the
it was the uh... it was bad and getting
better
and i can help out that the first there
are a ok you you either you're probably
right down in any case it was the the
the represented from door to the
position of s but the but the point is
regardless of the history of of why we
have the electoral college
why it is in every state
you know gets the number of members of
congress they have plus two as members
the electoral college
it worked great
itil it fantastic education that forces
are presidential candidate he spread out
there be for the peel can appeal to
people in multiple different why are the
only thought it was the only campaigning
in nine states right now
argued copycat
it where the final week of the campaign
dick that campaign it's about more to
get the campaign commercial that would
be you know that we can laugh when was
the last time eight presidential
campaign and canada went to california
new york state
he felt in george bush went to
california
and made an effort to compete thought he
was going to be able to keep when act
now not seriously hurt that i can they
pulled out that there was a period of
time call rooftop about in his doc
where they waived california papacristo
fundraiser
i'm now if he were to campaign copy with
what you call it a campaign because you
you know you've got you determine two
thousand four right
metadata
allen two thousand okay when you call it
if you call it a campaign stop in any
case you know make it all
denies and slick but
you know he was there for a fund raiser
now bad
uh... well i mean i would'nt their
armored telling you a call rogue wrote
public but you can start karo has no
credibility michael but but usually with
a kickass if we had a national popular
vote would mean that you know i i
realize there would be a problem that
you can identify you know the ten
largest cities in america and simply
campaign in them
which basically means we have democratic
presidents for ever and i understand why
conservatives like yourself would be
horrified by that
but isn't there something in between
having director actor to go back and i
think they pointed to pick up a loving
wanted
campaign atm it about
more campaign commercial at about four
years of government and the people
teacher at and the reason california
safe it because of pretty happy by and
large with obama and health care plan
and all of the stuff a complete that
there's a lot of republicans in
california who feel totally screwed
totally disenfranchised they don't have
that the other boat doesn't count
for the presidency have been a
democratic election in california
determined who is going to represent
california
and yet it eighty characteristic of the
republican california right now for but
look at probably all all the frustrated
that they prepare for a brief california
or a senatorial and or any number of
there i think that that they're having
trouble with republican leaders are
republican governor exclusive
anyway i got your admin too late for the
last of my apologies to roster
