(Gage) Hi, how's it going everybody, welcome
to Philosophy of Physics, my name is gage
wright and i will be joined by a few friends
of mine. We are going to be discussing the
Philosophy of the Big Bang, and how it relates
to our thought processes of today. So if you
don't know what the Big Bang theory is. The
big bang theory assumes that. There was an
infinitesimal-well some say infinitesimally
point- many others's say infinitesimally small
that's impossible, of course, so it was just
really, really small. But not infinitesimally,
and then there was a Big Bang or a big expansion
of everything everywhere, in existence, to
... put it.. in a nice intellectual terminology
there. and,uh what i would like to discuss
is how the big bang has changed the philosophy
our thought um throughout time er well i say
throughout time well the Big bang is actually
a fairly new concept um so do any of ou guys
have anything to add to this?
(Ryan) uh currently no, not quite yet
(Stephen) il uh i guess ill try to start it
off by just saying that the big bang theory
was really more of a uh scientific counterpart
to creationist theory and i personally think
that you know that it is a more logical one
than just a magical man just creating life
just carpe diem, but think that it has played
a major role in trying to like i wouldn't
say loosen the power of religion, but more
like a power shift from religious figureheads
to more of scientific figurehead
(Gage) it it really plays on the whole uh
modernist um view of the human the person
being the centre of your own universe is that
something, is that how your trying to get
to?
(Stephen) yep
(Gage) nice, and i i'd say that i definitely
have to agree with your um the big bang theory
essentially is the final step of the final
pull away from this religious background that
has definitely held uh held sway over the
most of western culture throughout well throughout
the history of western culture starting with
your Ancient greeks. so does anybody else
have any thoughts on this?
(Ryan) i wouldn't say it's the final step
towards it but i would that it is a crucial
one, er one that is really important to what
we have ya know theories aren't what makes
the world its people that make the world in
my opinion so i mean until we can all get
a true, like i mean everybody collectively
gain a true understanding of what is what
i don't think we will ever reach the point
that we should be
(Gage) the point of knowledge or the point
of understanding
(Ryan) a pinnacle of both without one you
can't have the other and really use it
(Gage) fair enough um so as we'e sitting here
um really the only thoughts that i'm coming
up with for the big bang theory um how stark
in contrast it stands to uh your typical christian-jud...
um judeo-christian uh belief system you know
god created the universe and originally it
i mean it started earth-centric and of course
that changed with copernicus, who made it
solar centric, that changed throughout time
and mean we're not even galaxy-centric we're
i mean we're i the earth orbits the sun the
sun orbits its its own cluster and then the
cluster orbits the galaxy and then the galaxy
and the galaxy well the the galaxies are still
expanding with the dark flow that we don't
even i mean we can't even properly explain
because by now i mean the energy from the
big bang should have dissipated so is is this
calling into question the big bang? this this
dark flow this thing that we can't properly
understand or grasp is it is it calling into
question uh the big bang which is at the moment
um one of the most widely accepted uh universal
starting points for at least within the scientific
community?
(Stephen)um i wouldn't say that its calling
it into question i would just say that maybe
maybe new theories are coming up to maybe
i don't know i wouldn't say challenge the
big bang theory but maybe expand upon the
idea
(Gage) uh JP, Jay do you have anything to
add?
(JP) umm more on the lines what Stephen said
it is more of an understanding of the broader
topic but we're not yet reached the level
of intellectual understanding to fully comprehend
what is the creation of what happened
(Gage) alright and in a previous discussion
that we had and while it wasn't actually aired
on uh youtube it was a private hangout we
were discussing quantum mechanical, um the
philosophy of quantum mechanics and uh you
know everything than can happen will can happen
has happened will happen and is happening
at the same time, that our concept of time
is just its only purely because we are only
in a single dimension well single time dimension
um with this what would say would that have
any effect on your your thoughts and where
you see yourself in the world where you see
the meaning of yourself lets start with uh
jay do you have anything?
(Jay) ya but can you like repeat the question
really quick?
(Gage) ya um so in a previous discussion we
were uh discussing how quantum mechanics essentially
states that anything that can happen has happened
is happening and will happen at least and
while it may not be happening in our dimension
you know everything that can will is happening
is happening across all dimensions and you
know every single choice you make splits off
into separate dimensions so how does this
effect how does this effect your viewpoint
of where you see yourself in the world and
what meaning you find in this
(Jay) hmf oh wow thats a well how you put
it you said like time is pretty much constant
like like its not like it's not like being
made like as like as we exist so you said
that everything is just like one constant
stream nothing will change right?
(Gage)uh essentially yes
(Jay) or thats like the theory ya so well
so how that impacts like how how i live and
my meaning of existence it it kinda kinda
puts a sense of doom over my head you know
like everything is inevitable so it's like
the fear of the unknown and like all that
just like kinda like combined into like like
this theorem that you just proposed right
here and uh ya um i don't know it like kinda
like makes you feel a bit powerless so to
speak ya know
(Gage) fair enough
(Stephen) i would like to add in a uh a more
positive spin on this if i may
(Gage/Jay) ya
(Stephen) alright so I'm more of the mindset
that if everything is already written out
like our choices already written out because
we've already made them I'm not feeling like
a giant I'm not feeling like a doom feeling
I'm feeling more "well hey whatever is do
now isn't gonna change anything its just the
way I'm choosing to live my life" it i really
don't understand how people can just feel
like its a sign that we're all gonna like
die or something because that its not what
it is its more just saying the choices that
we are making right now have already been
laid out so ya know you might as well go with
it i guess
(Gage) Well i think the the sense of doom
comes from the fact that it is the illusion
of choice um i i mean how can we really know
(Jay)exactly
(Gage) what i mean i feel like everything
that i do it's it's my choice but if its already
been set in stone
(Jay) its like how do you know if you are
even free
(Stephen) how do you know how do you know
this theory isn't just made up i mean it is
a theory it's a theory much like the big bang
theory it's a theory much like God it's a
theory its
(Gage) it's a theory derived from the fact
of quantum superstates
(Stephen)yes, but
(Gage)because nothing that we have right now
exists without everything else existing
(Stephen) it's not so much i guess what i'm
trying to say is that it's not so much a loss
of free will its more like in my mind what
you're talking about and this might be because
I'm not in the same like program that I'm
like i haven't had a class that has explained
this but just in my mindset from the way you
explained it what it sound like is that the
choices we're making are happening simultaneously
in other dimensions and it's more or less
we still have free will its just that
(Gage)our free will influences everything
(Stephen)all the choices we've like made have
kinda been like set in stone already because
they've already happened in another dimension
I'm really confused about this theory but
from what i can understand about it is that
our our whole future has been kinda decided
by us and i would like to maybe hear some
clarification because my explanation was probably
more confusing on top of this but
(Ryan) personally i see multiple ways of like
accepting like there is a certain going about
it so you can accept the illusion of of free
choice and free will and ignorance is bliss
you can continue to worry about it and have
that haunt you and you're just constantly
missing out and you're missing a bigger picture
or you can accept it as it is and just move
on
(Gage)fair enough
(JP)well what i think is that back to umm
everything being set in stone well i think
that it's true in other dimensions is that
every possibility has already been done but
we have the option of choosing what path we
get to choose and and that would change everything
else but we still have the choice it's not
that we have an illusion of making choices
that already happened its that we have a choice
to pick what we think is best for ourselves
(Jay) i would say think about it like this
if like all the choices you've made throughout
time has already been made and if you wanna
change it even if you don't know what it is
do you really have free will free will within
constraints thats not true free will
(JP) well absolutely because you're still
choosing out of the multiple choices that
has already been done in different dimensions
you're just choosing it in your own dimension
so to speak
(Ryan) i feel like it goes more towards the
ignorance is bliss Jay like if you constantly
worry about it and you constantly think about
it you're gonna notice that? why why
(Jay) isn't that the whole point of this conversation
though? that we are aware of this
(Ryan) yes yes I'm just saying like don't
constantly have it in the frontal lobe of
your brain if you wanna like
(Stephen) its an interesting brain teaser
but its its nigh impossible to actually solve
and put in front of us we can do experiments
that'll kind of say hey theres a little bit
of proof that this theory could be true i
mean we could always do something like that
but we will never be that 100% you know this
is right we're all like our choices are set
out we have no free will to choose our own
stuff i mean thats honestly what i think
(Gage)well superstate was uh it was a null
hypothesis situation and it was actually I'm
not sure if it originally derived itself from
its own quantum mechanics or if it actually
derived itself from the black hole theory
um stephen hawking um created um he had this
black hole theory and originally essentially
the hawking radiation that he proposed which
actually fit all of the math which was the
only thing that would actually fit the math
would essentially make it so that the black
holes could not exist under any circumstances
because the black holes were essentially a
singularity um and he actually came up with
the only way that we could possibly explain
the existence of black holes because black
holes do exist in our universe our galaxy
is orbiting around a black hole, well i say
orbiting we are slowly crashing into a black
hole but um black holes exist in our universe
but its impossible its a singularity which
impossible under all laws of physics i mean
it just draws itself to an asymptotic line
and so what he proposed is the fact that pluck
holes exist in our universe yet they don't
exist in another universe which is what cancels
them out and you know he said it in a much
more intellectual and smart way with math
and stuff but I'm not entirely sure if it
was derived from that point or if it was derived
from a separate quantum mechanical point you
know the quantum superposition but uh essentially
everything that we do creates a separate universe
or every thing every large choice that we
make creates a separate universe either could
have happened and if the other hasn't happened
the other must have happened if that makes
any sense
(Jay/Stephen) okay, kinda
(Gage) alright um... so i think that about
wraps up this discussion and i thank you guys
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