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>> Mayor Owen: GOOD EVENING.
THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY
COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, DECEMBEO
ORDER.
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
CITY CLERK IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL, PLEASE.
[
[ ROLL CALL ]
>> Mayor Owen: ALL RIGHT.
IF YOU WOULD JOIN US AND STAND.
WE'LL HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENT
CHAPLAIN KELVIN DAVIS GIVE THE
INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING
AFTER FOR THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
>> CAN WE ALL BOW OUR HEADS.
OH FATHER, WE COME TO YOU, THANK
YOU FOR THIS DAY AND THANK YOU
FOR ALL THIS ARE HERE IN THIS
MEETING.
WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS US THAT WE
MIGHT COME ON ONE ACCORD, LORD.
WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS THE
LEADERS, GIVE THEM WISDOM,
KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING,
GOD.
WE ASK THAT ALL COME TOGETHER AS
ONE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND JESUS NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
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>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
STAFF, ANY CHANGES.
>> NO CHANGES.
>> Mayor Owen: NO CHANGES TO THE
AGENDA.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF
PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.
FIRST UP WILL BE A PRESENTATION
BY MR. DAVID RANDLE AND PERHAPS
OTHERS FROM BLUE COMMUNITY
GROUP.
AND AS A QUICK PREVIEW ON THIS
ONE, I KNOW THEY'LL PROBABLY
COVER SOME, THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT HAS BEEN -- I ENCOURAGED
ACTUALLY TO BRING BACK TO THE
COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.
IT'S VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY
FOCUSED AND FORWARD.
BUT WHAT I THINK WE LACKED IS A
PROGRAM TO BRING IT ALL
TOGETHER.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INITIATIVES.
I WAS LOOKING FOR A FRAMEWORK
THAT WE CAN DEFINE SUCCESS AND
WORK TOWARDS A SUCCESS.
IT WON'T BE PERFECT BUT THE GOAL
IS TO START SOMEWHERE AND BRING
A FRAMEWORK.
I THINK WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE
THAT ARE GOING TO PRESENT
TONIGHT.
DEBBIE.
>> GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU.
NO, I'M NOT DR. RANDLE.
I WANTED TO LEAD OFF AND LET YOU
KNOW THAT YOUR DESTINATION AND
YOUR MARKETING BUREAU WON THE
HENRY AT THE VISIT FLORIDA
GOVERNOR'S CONFERENCE IN
NOVEMBER.
AND WE WON -- WE ARE THE FIRST
AWARD WINNER THE SUSTAINABLE
TOURISM CATEGORY.
SO WE SUBMITTED ALL OF THE
ADMISSIONS FROM THE MARINE
DISCOVERY CENTER AND THIRD WAVE
CAFE WITH CERTIFICATION IN THE
BLUE COMMUNITY PROGRAM.
PEOPLE ARE NOTICING ACROSS THE
STATE AND VISIT FLORIDA IS
INTERESTED IN ROLLING THIS OUT
IN MANY COMMUNITIES.
I WANTED TO SAY THIS IS A REALLY
UNIQUE PROPOSITION AND I'M SO
BLESSED THAT YOU ARE ALL
SUPPORTABLE OF SUSTAINABILITY
ACTIONS.
WE WANT TO PROTECT IT.
WITHOUT FURTHER ADIEU I WANTED
TO THANK YOU AND INTRODUCE
DR. DAVE RANDLE.
HE'S WORN MANY HATS, CAN TELL
YOU MANY STORIES.
HE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT
SUSTAINABILITY TOURISM, HE'S
WORKED WITH THE ONE PLANET
LIVING IN GENEVA AND IN THE U.N.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HIM
AND LET HIM PRESENT.
JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE TO
HELP AND WE'VE GOT A GOOD
PROGRAM GOING.
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU,
DEBBIE.
>> THANK YOU, DEBBIE.
IT'S VERY EXCITING TO SEE NEW
SMYRNA GET THIS WELL-DESERVED
AWARD.
MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, LADIES
AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S REALLY MY
PLEASURE ON BEHALF OF THE BLUE
COMMUNITY TO COME HERE TONIGHT
TO INVITE YOU TO BECOME THE
FIRST CITY IN THE UNITED NATIONS
SUSTAINABLE TOURISM OBSERVATORY
NETWORK TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A
BLUE COMMUNITY ONE PLANET LIVING
CITY.
AND I WANT TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT
OF SOME OF THE VALUE OF THAT.
NOT JUST THE MARKETING VALUE,
WHICH IS HUGE INTERNATIONALLY.
BUT ALSO WHY THIS FRAMEWORK IS A
MEANINGFUL THING.
FIRST LET ME PAUSE TO
ACKNOWLEDGE TODAY IS HUMAN
RIGHTS DAY.
AND IN THE U.N. WE ALWAYS WANT
TO RECOGNIZE THAT DAY WHENEVER
WE GO ANYWHERE.
AND THERE IS STRONG
RELATIONSHIP, WE KNOW, TO
TOURISM, WHAT KIND OF SUPPLIERS
WE HAVE, TRAFFICKING ISSUES AND
SO FORTH AFFECT TOURISM AS WELL.
BUT OUR START IN THE BLUE
COMMUNITY REALLY HAPPENED IN
PROJECT AND COLLABORATION WITH
DISNEY WORLD WHERE WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT THE VISION OF
EPCOT TO BECOME A CITY THAT
WOULD SHARE ALL OF THE BEST
TECHNOLOGIES.
AS YOU KNOW, THAT NEVER
HAPPENED, INSTEAD A THEME PARK
HAPPENED.
BUT THE THEME PARK HAS BEEN ABLE
TO SHARE THE VALUES AND
TECHNOLOGIES AND I THINK WE CAN
DO THAT WITH TOURISM MAYBE WITH
A LITTLE HELP FROM PIXIE DUST TO
DO THAT AS WELL.
WE THEN GOT TO WORK WITH DISNEY
AND BIOREGIONAL IN A PROJECT IN
PARIS THAT THE UNITED NATIONS
ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM RECOGNIZED
AS THE MOST SUSTAINABLE TOURISM
SPOT IN THE WORLD.
AND THERE ARE MANY REASONS THAT
HAPPENED, FROM THEIR GEOTHERMAL
SOLAR INTEGRATION.
THEY PRODUCE MORE RENEWABLE
ENERGY THAN THEY ACTUALLY USE.
THEY HAVE A NET CARBON LOSS, NOT
A NET CARBON ZERO.
THEIR SUSTAINABLE FOOD PROGRAMS,
NEVER TAKING WATER OUT OF  AQUI.
ONE THING USED IN THAT PROGRESS
AND OUR CERTIFICATION USED TO
VERIFY WHAT THE U.N. SAID THEY
WERE, WE MET AND DECIDED TO PUT
THESE TWO SYSTEMS TOGETHER TO
DEVELOP A NEW PROGRAM TAKING THE
BEST OF BOTH AREAS.
SO THIS IS THE INAUGURATION, A
LITTLE BIT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE
AT VILLAGES NATURE.
DO WE HAVE SOUND WITH THAT?
NO?
NO SOUND.
I'M NOT GOING TO SING.
BUT THE RESORT, YOU CAN SEE, IS
VERY BEAUTIFUL.
THE CENTER PIECE IS THE WATER
PARK.
AND THEY LAUNCHED THIS BEING
LABELED AS I SAID THE MOST
SUSTAINABLE TOURISM SPOT IN THE
WORLD.
AND YET NOBODY HAD ANY REASON TO
VERIFY THAT.
THEY CAME TO US AND SAID WOULD
YOU USE YOUR NEW CERTIFICATION
PROGRAM TO VERIFY THAT WE REALLY
ARE AT A HIGH LEVEL.
AND WE DID A PROGRAM LOOKING AT
TOP RESORTS IN CHILE AND JAMAICA
AND THE UNITED STATES.
AND THIS ONE IN FRANCE.
AND YES, INDEED, THEY DID COME
OUT AT THE TOP.
FROM THERE WE DEVELOPED A NEW
PROGRAM FOR COASTAL RESILIENCY
USING THIS FRAMEWORK.
AND THIS FRAMEWORK SHIFTED THE
THINKING WITHIN THE GLOBAL
COMMUNITY.
WE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO
RESPOND TO CRISES LIKE
HURRICANES AND TORNADOES AND
FIRES OR WHATEVER THAT'S COMING
FROM THE CHANGES IN OUR WORLD.
WE HAVE TO PREPARE BY BEING MORE
RESILIENT.
TO BE SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT,
WE NEED TO THINK WHAT DOES THAT
MEAN.
WE'VE DISCARTED THE OLD MODEL OF
TRYING TO BALANCE THE ECONOMY
AND THE SOCIAL AND THE
ENVIRONMENTAL.
I LEARNED YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS
THE ENVIRONMENTAL COORDINATOR
FOR THE COMMISSIONERS IN
COLORADO -- AND THAT'S WHERE
ASPEN IS, THAT WE CAN HAVE ALL
OF THE BALANCE THAT WE WANT AND
WE HAD REALLY GOOD BALANCE, BUT
WITHOUT THAT SNOW WE HAD
NOTHING.
AND SO WITHOUT THE NATURE THAT
BROUGHT PEOPLE THERE, WE REALLY
DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
SO THE BIOSPHERES, THE NATURAL
SYSTEMS HAVE TO BE THE
FOUNDATION FOR SUSTAINABILITY
AND THEN OUR SOCIETY BUILDS
JUSTLY UPON THAT AND THEN WE CAN
CREATE OUR ECONOMY FROM THAT
PERSPECTIVE.
AND THE U.N. SDG, SUSTAINABLE
DEVELOP GOALS ARE USING THE SAME
PROCESS.
OUR PROCESS IS ALSO ROOTED IN
THE SCIENCE OF PLANETARY
BOUNDARIES.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL OF
THOSE.
BUT LET ME SAY, WE ALL KNOW
ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE BUT WE MAY
NOT KNOW THAT SCIENCE IDENTIFIED
EIGHT OTHER ISSUES THAT COULD
CHANGE THE PLANET AS WE KNOW IT
AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE
CONCERNS AS WELL.
THIS IS THE AREA OF NEW SMYRNA
BEACH, DAYTONA, THEY DIDN'T HAVE
ONE SPECIFICALLY FOR NEW SMYRNA,
BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE NUMBER
OF DAYS 50 YEARS AGO, ONLY 78
DAYS OF 90 DEGREES HAPPENED IN
THIS AREA.
TODAY IT'S 102.
AND THE PROJECTION IN 20 YEARS,
IT WILL BE 121.
AND THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE THE
WHOLE IMPACT FOR TOURISM AND
EVERYTHING ELSE IN OUR ECONOMY.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT BY 2050 IF
WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT
PLASTICS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
MORE PLASTIC BY WEIGHT THAN WE
DO FISH IN THE OCEANS.
HOW SERIOUS THAT IS.
SO OUR BLUE COMMUNITY MODEL USES
THE FOUR PILLAR OCHES THE GOBLE
SUSTAINABLE TOURISM COUNCIL OF
MANAGEMENT, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL
AND ENVIRONMENTAL AND WE COUPLE
THAT WITH JUST SOCIAL STRUCTURES
AND WE USE OUR BLUE COMMUNITY
STRATEGIES WITHIN THE
LIMITATIONS OF THOSE NINE
PLANETARY BOUNDARIES.
AND THE ONE PLANET LIVING
FRAMEWORK IS IDENTIFIED TEN
PRINCIPLES THAT IF YOU FOLLOW
WITHIN THIS FRAMEWORK YOU CAN
REDUCE YOUR ECOLOGICAL
FOOTPRINT.
IF EVERYBODY LIST LIKE THE
AVERAGE EUROPEAN, YOU WOULD NEED
THREE PLANETS OF RESOURCES TO
SUSTAIN THAT LIFESTYLE.
THEY SUCCEEDED IN GETTING THIS
AWARD AS THE MOST SUSTAINABLE
RESORT IN THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY
DESIGNED, BUILT AND OPERATE THE
RESORT WITH THE EQUIVALENT
RESOURCES OF ONLY ONE PLANET.
IN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA,
YOU WOULD NEED FIVE PLANETS OF
RESOURCES FOR THE LIFESTYLES WE
HAVE HERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE
MANY ISSUES IN THE WORLD.
NOBODY IS DOING VERY WELL IN
REACHING THAT ONE PLANET LEVEL.
THE STRATEGIES WE DEVELOPED WE
DID WITH THE WALT DISNEY ANIMAL
SCIENCE ENVIRONMENT TEAM FOR
COASTAL RESILIENCY AND THOSE
WILL PART OF THE PROCESS AS
WELL.
AND WITH NEW SMYRNA BEING A
COASTAL COMMUNITY, THAT IS WHAT
WE DO.
IN OUR PILOT PROJECT, THIRD
WAVE, THE SPRING HILLS SUITES,
THE MARINE DISCOVERY CENTER ALL
CREATED THEIR OWN SUSTAINABILITY
MANAGEMENT PLANS AND ARE LINKING
THE 12 PRINCIPLES AND FEN
STRATEGIES TOGETHER.
WE DID THE SAME THING IN ANNA
MARIE ISLAND.
OPEN NEW SMYRNA CAME OUT SCORING
VERY HIGH IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS.
THIS THIRD WAVE FOR SUSTAINABLE
SEAFOOD IN SAN BAR WAS THE
COUNTER PART, MARINE DISCOVERY
CENTER HERE.
AND YOU KNOW, I LOVE THAT HOTELS
HAVE PART OF THEIR MISSION TO
MAKE THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR
GUESTIGUESTS MORE HAPPY AND MOR.
THAT THEY THINK ABOUT THE LOCAL
FOOD SOURCES IN THEIR BREAKFAST
BARS AND THE WATER RESTRICTION
AREAS.
AND GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY
IN THE CASE OF SPRING HILLS
THROUGH THE FOUND RAISERS FOR
THE HOSPITALS AND THE MARINE
DISCOVERY CENTER IN BUILDING THE
AMPHITHEATER AND PROMOTING
CONSERVATION, EDUCATION.
AND THE THIRD WAVE THROUGH THEIR
SUSTAINABLE SEAFOOD LEADERSHIP
IN LOCAL FOOD SOURCING.
AND THE CITY ITSELF HAVING A
CLEAN MARINA.
WE USE ALSO THE UNITED NATIONS
REQUIRED METRICS FOR THE
INTERNATIONAL NETWORK FOR
SUSTAINABLE TOURISM
OBSERVATORIRIES AND OUR OWN
METRICS FOR COASTAL HABITAT,
MARINE ENVIRONMENT.
WE REPORT THOSE AT THE U.N. AND
EXAMPLES LIKE THIS, THE
HIGH-LEVEL POLITICAL FORUM AND
IN MADRID, SPAIN, THE ANNUAL
MEETING OF THE OBSERVATORIRIES
FROM AROUND THE WORLD.
THESE ARE THE EDUCATIONAL
RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE WITH
UNIVERSITIES AND NONPROFITS TO
SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS.
SO WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
JUST SAY WITH ONE MINUTE LEFT
THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
ENHANCE YOUR LEADERSHIP.
AND I DON'T SEE TO BE A LEADER.
BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY A LEADER.
YOU'RE THE FIRST COMMUNITY IN
THE OBSERVATORY TO FINISH THE
RESEARCH PART THAT IS OBLIGATED
AND WE WILL PRESENT THAT THIS
YEAR IN A REPORT AND ALONG WITH
YOUR PILOT PROJECT THAT YOU
SUCCESSFULLY DID HERE, NEW
SMYRNA IS GOING TO SHINE HIGHER
THAN ANY OF THE OTHER 12
COMMUNITIES IN THE BLUE
COMMUNITY OBSERVATORY ALREADY.
BUT THIS IS A CHANCE TO BE THE
FIRST TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP FOR
THAT KIND OF RECOGNITION DOING
THIS ON A COMMUNITY WIDE BASIS.
SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
I'LL STOP HERE.
>> Mayor Owen: ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION
AND ALL YOU DO FOR US AND SO
MANY OTHERS AROUND THE GLOBE.
SO GENTLEMEN TONIGHT REALLY WE
CAN MOVE FORWARD OR THIS CAN BE
THE START OF THE DISCUSSION.
AGAIN THIS IS REALLY MEANT TO
GET THIS IN FRONT OF US AS A
GROUP SO WE CAN START THE
DISCUSSION.
IN OUR AGENDA PACKAGE WAS DETAIL
ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD
MEAN FOR NEW SMYRNA, WHAT THE
LIFT IS IN NEW SMYRNA, THE
DIFFERENT PHASING AND THE
RELATED BUDGET WHICH IS FRANKLY
DE MINIMIS.
WITH THAT I'LL OPEN ANY COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION
OF DR. RANDLE OR STAFF.
COMMISSIONER MCGUIRK.
>> Commissioner McGuirk: THANK
YOU FOR COMING.
I APPRECIATE YOU RECOGNIZING
SOME OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE
TOWN THAT HAVE DONE THAT AND
PARTICIPATED.
YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAINLY
INTERESTED IN LOOKING FORWARD
AND MOVING FORWARD IN ANY WAY WE
CAN THAT MAKES SENSE.
I'M CERTAINLY WILLING.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
VICE MAYOR.
>> Commissioner Hartman: VERY
NICE PRESENTATION.
I LIKE THE SUBJECT MATTER.
I LIKE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD
OURSELVES AND IT WOULD BE GREAT
TO PARTNER WITH YOU TO SEE IF
THERE ARE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC
THINGS THAT WE CAN DO FOR ALL OF
OUR CITIZENS.
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S
SOMETIMES WHEN WE LIVE IN A
COMMUNITY WE DON'T SEE THE
STRENGTHS THAT OTHER PEOPLE SEE.
BUT I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY
LAST YEAR TO PRESENT THIS PILOT
PROJECT AT THE U.N. CIVIL
SOCIETY CONFERENCE WITH 5,000
PEOPLE AND NEW SMYRNA STOOD OUT
AS ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHT
PRESENTATIONS.
IT WAS RATED THE NUMBER ONE
PRESENTATION AT THAT WHOLE U.N.
FORUM PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE
GOOD WORK YOU DO.
I WAS IN CUBA A WEEK AGO AND
PRESENTED AT AN ECONOMICS
FINANCE MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT
SUSTAINABILITY FROM AN ECONOMIC
FINANCE PERSPECTIVE.
AND THE ANNA MARIE ISLAND SHARED
ALREADY THAT THEY WOULD HELP
THEM WITH THEIR FOOD MODEL.
BUT WHEN THEY SAW WHAT YOU WERE
DOING HERE, THEY WERE LIKE, WILL
NEW SMYRNA HELP US TOO?
THEY SAW ALREADY THAT YOU GUYS
WERE DOING SOME INCREDIBLE
THINGS.
AND WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS AT
OTHER U.N. CONFERENCES UP IN NEW
YORK, WE GOT THE SAME TYPE OF
REACTION.
IT WAS A REAL MAGIC ABOUT THIS
TOWN AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE
DOING.
I JUST HOPE YOU APPRECIATE IT AS
MUCH AS MANY IN THE WORLD HAVE
STARTING TO SEE YOUR
RELATIONSHIP.
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
I GUESS DO WE WANT TO TAKE A
MOTION TO GIVE STAFF SOME
DIRECTION TO PROCEED WITH THIS?
>> SURE.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM?
>> MAKE THAT MOTION.
>> SECOND.
>> Mayor Owen: IT'S A MOTION
JUST FOR CLARITY TO AUTHORIZE
STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WORKING
WITH BLUE COMMUNITY AS OUTLINED
IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE.
AND HOPEFULLY ACHIEVE --
DR. RANDLE, I NOTICED IN SOME OF
THE LANGUAGE I NOTICED CITY OF
ORLANDO WAS CALLED OUT A FEW
TIMES.
LOOKS LIKE YOU MAY HAVE GIVEN
THE SAME PRESENTATION, I HOPE
NOT TO THEM, BECAUSE I WANT TO
BE FIRST.
ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE FIRST?
>> THE CITY OF ORLANDO IS
COMMITTED TO DOING THIS BUT THEY
WON'T START UNTIL LATE JANUARY
AT THE EARLIEST.
YOU CAN STILL BE FIRST.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
I SUPPORT THIS IF WE'RE FIRST.
I TRULY BELIEVE THERE'S AN
ADVANTAGE TO THIS FROM TOURISM
AND OTHERS.
IF YOU'RE SECOND, YOU MIGHT AS
WELL BE LAST.
NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO IT FOR
OTHER REASONS BUT I WANT TO DO
IT FOR MANY REASONS.
THE ECONOMIC IMPACT WILL BE
GOOD.
WE HAD A MOTION AND THE SECOND.
CLERK IF YOU'LL CALL THE ROLL,
PLEASE.
[ ROLL CALL ]
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
THANK YOU ALL.
I HATE TO MAKE YOU FOLLOW THAT,
BUT NEXT PRESENTATION UP, ALSO A
GREAT TOPIC I THINK.
A LOT OF GREAT SUPPORT FROM THE
COMMUNITY.
A PRESENTATION BY SOME CITIZENS
ON THE RIVERSIDE GARDEN
DISTRICT.
WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU ALL.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS,
MAYOR.
I'M SALLY GILLESPIE.
I AM NOT DEB EXUM, UNDERSTAND I.
I AM HERE HOWEVER BECAUSE WHAT
DEB EXUM IS DOING IS SO
CONSISTENT WITH A GROUP WITH
WHICH MANY OF YOU KNOW I HAVE
BEEN LONG INVOLVED.
THE RESIDENTS COALITION.
AND OUR MISSION IS HISTORIC
PRESERVATION BECAUSE INDEED WE
SEE DR. RANDLE, HISTORIC
PRESERVATION AS A CRITICAL
ELEMENT IN SUSTAINABILITY.
CERTAINLY WE BUILT IN ANOTHER
ERA WITH GOOD SETBACKS, LOAD
DENSITIES AND CONSIST TENTY OF
HEIGHTS FOR SMALL COMMUNITIES
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO
PRESERVE IN NEW SMYRNA BEACH AND
AS PART OF OUR ATTRACTION, A
LARGE PART OF OUR ATTRACTION.
HOWEVER, THE SECRET, DR. RANDLE.
NEW SMYRNA BEACH'S SUCCESS IS
WITH OUR LEADERSHIP AND WITH THE
CITIZENS WHO SUPPORT THAT
LEADERSHIP.
DEB IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF MANY
WHO HAVE COME FORWARD AS A
GRASSROOTS ORGANIZER AND SAID,
WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE
WANT TO KEEP IT.
THE FIRST IN MODERN TIMES WAS
THE WESTSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEY NOT ONLY BRANDED THEIR
NEIGHBORHOOD BUT CAME UP WITH A
DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO KEEP IT
HISTORIC.
THAT WAS FOLLOWED BY CORONADO
ISLAND.
THOSE RESIDENTS DID NOT FEEL
THAT NORTH CAUSEWAY WAS A GOOD
IMAGE FOR THEIR LOVELY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT BECAME CORONADO ISLAND.
AND NOW WE HAVE DEB DENNYS --
EXCUSE ME.
I'M SURE DEB DENNYS WON'T MIND
BEING LINKED WITH THIS.
I THINK SHE IS IN FACT CHAIRING
FOR THE COUNTY THE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION AREA.
BUT DEB EXUM IS TYPICAL OF THE
CITIZEN WHO JUST GETS PASSIONATE
ABOUT AN ISSUE, AND PARTICULARLY
A NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE.
I THINK YOU'LL REALLY APPRECIATE
HER PRESENTATION AND I HOPE YOU
WILL LOOK AS FAVORABLY UPON IT
AS YOU DID DR. RANDLES WHICH
INCIDENTALLY I THINK IS
TERRIFIC.
THANK YOU.
DEB EXUM.
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE FOR
THE PRESENTATION.
SO WE HAVE AN INITIATIVE THAT WE
WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AND
HOPEFULLY APPROVE, AND THAT IS
WHAT WE GOT TOGETHER AS A
NEIGHBORHOOD AND DECIDED WE'D
LIKE TO GIVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A
GREAT NAME.
WE WANT TO BRAND IT.
WE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY PART OF
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, PER SE.
SO WE LIE IN WHAT IS THE
HISTORIC OVERLAY AND WANTED TO
GIVE A TERRIFIC BRAND, AND MORE
THAN THAT, REALLY WANTED TO
CREATE A SENSE OF NEIGHBORLY
UNITY.
WE'VE GIVEN OURSELVES THE NAME
THE RIVERSIDE GARDEN DISTRICT.
AND I'M GOING TO MOVE TO THE
NEXT SLIDE HERE.
THERE WE GO.
SO WE'VE COME UP WITH A MISSION
STATEMENT.
OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS THE
RIVERSIDE GARDEN DISTRICT WILL
SERVE TO PRESERVE THE LEGACY OF
OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD,
EXPAND ON THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF
THE AREA AND INSTILL A SENSE OF
PRIDE AND BELONGING.
OUR VISION STATEMENT TIES IN
BEAUTIFULLY WITH DR. RANDLE'S
PRESENTATION.
RIVERSIDE GARDEN DISTRICT IS AN
ONGOING GRASSROOTS DISTRICT OF
NEIGHBORS WORKING TO CREATE THE
DISTRICT WITH BEAUTIFICATION AND
SIGNAGE WHILE SUPPORTING BLUE
COMMUNITY INITIATIVES.
WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A VERY
WONDERFUL COMMITTEE MADE UP OF
NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE WORKED
TIRELESSLY ALONG WITH ME TO MAKE
THIS HAPPEN.
RGD NEIGHBORS AND COMMITTEE
MEMBERS, WOULDN'T MIND STANDING
UP SO YOU CAN BE RECOGNIZED.
WE'D APPRECIATE IT.
QUITE A FEW OF THEM HERE
TONIGHT.
SO THAT IS OUR BRANDING
COMMITTEE.
SO FAR WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED
FORMING A STEERING COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE CREATED OUR VISION AND
MISSION STATEMENTS.
WE HAVE MET WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL TO PRESENT
THIS IDEA.
AND RECEIVED UNANIMOUS SUPPORT
FOR THE RIVERSIDE GARDEN
DISTRICT.
WE HAVE DEVELOPED STRATEGIC
PARTNERSHIPS.
WE'VE TALKED WITH LYNNLYS AND
OTHER FOLKS SUCH AS MASTER
GARDENERS IN THE AREA THAT NEED
TO PUT IN OUR AND MIGHT HELP US
WITH THE MEDIAN.
ANY RESOURCES THAT WE CAN GET
FROM THE COMMUNITY ARE ALWAYS
TERRIFIC.
WE'VE RESURRECTED THE
NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PROGRAM THAT
HAD FALLEN BY THE WAYSIDE A
LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S BEEN RESURRECTED.
AND WE GOT TOGETHER FOR THE
HOLIDAYS AND CREATED CHRISTMAS
BALLS THAT WE'RE PUTTING AROUND
THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAKING IT MORE
BEAUTIFUL.
AND WE'RE WANTING TO DO
NEIGHBORHOOD GATHERINGS ON A
REGULAR BASIS.
WE GOT OUR ENTIRE RIVERSIDE
GARDEN DISTRICT TOGETHER.
COMMISSIONER KOLODY ATTENDED
WHICH WE APPRECIATE AS DID SALLY
GILLESPIE.
THE RIVERSIDE GARDEN DISTRICT
CAME OUT OF A THOUGHT IN NEW
ORLEANS.
IT'S NOT NEW.
THE BRANDING IDEA.
BUT OURS WAS BORN OUT OF THE
SENSE THAT WE WANT PEOPLE, NOT
ONLY IN OUR COMMUNITY BUT IF
PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING MOVING
HERE, IT'S GOT A NICE RING TO IT
AND IT SPEAKS TO WHAT WE ARE.
TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKDROP,
AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, CONNOR
IS RONNOC SPELLED BACKWARDS.
CONNOR GREW HIS OWN VINEYARDS,
MADE WINE IN THE AREA, GREW
EXTENSIVE GARDENS, PLANTED
PALMS.
SO THE NAME RIVERSIDE GARDEN
DISTRICT TIES INTO THE HISTORY
OF THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR VIBE IS NATURAL, FRIENDLY
AND ECLECTIC AND WE'RE KNOWN FOR
OAK CANOPIES, GARDENS AND THE
HISTORIC GATEWAY TO NEW SMYRNA
BEACH.
AT ONE TIME THERE WAS NOT A
DIXIE FREEWAY OR U.S.1.
FAULKNER WAS THE LEAD-IN GATEWAY
TO DOWNTOWN NEW SMYRNA BEACH.
THIS ASK IS WHAT THE GARDEN LOOD
LIKE IN 1887.
THIS WAS THE HEM OF WASHINGTON
CONNOR.
I ALWAYS USED TO THINK
WASHINGTON STREET WAS NAMED
AFTER PRESIDENT WASHINGTON AND
IT TURNED OUT IT'S NAMED AFTER
WASHINGTON CONNOR.
AND I THINK PERHAPS WHEN HE GREW
HIS VINEYARDS AND IMBIBED IN THE
WINE, THAT'S HOW CONNOR GOT
TURNED INTO RONNOC SPELLED
BACKWARDS.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS
CREATE SIGNAGE FOR THE
ENTRANCES.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING
THAT LOOKS HISTORIC.
WE ARE RIGHT NOW DESIGNATING A
PHASE ONE WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN
JUST A MOMENT.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING OF A
VISION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE
MEDIAN OR THE BOULEVARD FOR
NORTH RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO FOR THE
BLUE SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS IS,
YOU KNOW, PLANT DROUGHT
RESISTANT PLANTS THAT ARE
BEAUTIFUL THAT REQUIRE LOW
MAINTENANCE BUT REALLY MAKE THAT
A WOW FACTOR.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
WOULD LIKE SOME SUPPORT FROM THE
CITY REGARDING THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP YOU'LL
SEE THAT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE
STARTING WITH PHASE 1.
THIS WILL BE HISTORIC BUFFER TO
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY AN HISTORIC
OVERLAY.
WE WANT TO START FROM FAULKNER
OVER TO RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
WE DID THE MATH.
THERE'S ABOUT 170 HOMES TOTAL
ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TANGLEWOOD.
WE WANT TO START SMALL, REALLY
VET, GET SPONSORS AND WORK OUT
BEST PRACTICES.
AND ONCE WE DO THAT WE'RE GOING
TO MOVE TO PHASE 2 WHICH WILL
ENCOMPASS THE GARDEN DISTRICT UP
TO TANGLEWOOD.
DIANE BEAN IS SITTING IN THE
AUDIENCE.
DIANE LIVES NORTH OF WAYNE
AVENUE AND HAS ALREADY
VOLUNTEERED TO SPEAR HEAD THE
PHASE 2 INITIATIVE.
THE QUESTION ALWAYS IS
MAINTENANCE.
SO WE'RE, AGAIN, LOOKING AT LOW
MAINTENANCE PLANTS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOOD
STVOLUNTEERS AND WE HAVE MANY OF
THEM THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE
AUDIENCE THAT ARE ENTHUSIASTIC
ABOUT BEAUTIFYING THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TAP INTO SOME
OF THE STUDENT PROGRAMS AT THE
HIGH SCHOOL WHERE THEY NEED
HOURS TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE.
AND THERE'S ALSO MASTER
GARDENERS AS I MENTIONED THAT
NEED HOURS.
POTENTIAL VOLUNTEERS AND
SPONSORS WOULD BE WILLING TO
HELP US.
SOME OF THOSE MIGHT BE
BUSINESSES AND THE NEWS JOURNAL
AND SO FORTH.
POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES.
THESE ARE JUST A FEW, GARDENING
INITIATIVES THROUGHOUT THE
COUNTRY THAT DO SUPPORT
NONPROFIT WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WE WOULD BE TAPPING INTO
THAT.
PAM HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH
GETTING GRANTS, AS DOES SUSAN
WARD AND I KNOW THEY'RE WILLING
TO TRY TO WORK WITH SOME OF
THESE ORGANIZATIONS.
AND ALSO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO
ANNUALLY IS GIVE AWARDS AND
DESIGNATIONS.
INSEPINSENT FIE OUR NEIGHBORS TY
FIE THEIR YARD.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WOULD
INVOLVE SEEDS FOR
SUSTAINABILITY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GARDEN
DIGNITY DAY WHERE MAYBE WE HELP
AN ELDERLY NEIGHBOR THAT CAN'T
HELP THEMSELVES.
WE'LL HELP THEM WITH PLANTINGS,
MAYBE CLEANING UP THEIR YARD.
THOSE SORTS OF INITIATIVES.
AND AGAIN THE ANNUAL AWARD
CEREMONY.
WE'D ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A PICNIC
FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD SO
THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO KNOW EACH
OTHER, GET TO KNOW THEIR
NEIGHBORS.
RIVERSIDE DISTRICT GOALS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
BRANDING WILL NOT IMPACT
EXISTING ZONES OR THE HISTORIC
OVERLAY, THAT THE RIVERSIDE
GARDEN DISTRICT REMAIN
INDEPENDENT OF THE NSB CANAL
STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH
HOMEOWNER RIGHTS PROTECTED.
WE WANT TO SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOOD
COMPATIBILITY AND PRESERVATION,
FOSTER BEAUTIFICATION THROUGH
GARDENS, TREE AND REPLACING
TREES THAT MAYBE HAVE FALLEN
THROUGH STORMS AND ELOQUENTLY
BUFFER THE CANAL STREET HISTORIC
DISTRICT.
SO WHAT IS OUR ASK OF THE CITY
COMMISSION.
WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU WAIVE THE
LICENSE EASEMENT AGREEMENT FOR
SIGNS.
WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ASK THAT WE
NOT BE CHARGED THAT BECAUSE
WE'RE TRYING TO BEAUTIFY THE
CITY.
WE WOULD LIKE YOUR PERMISSION TO
LANDSCAPE THE BOULEVARD.
WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER
BEAUTIFICATION GRANTS, IF THEY
ARE IN FACT AVAILABLE.
WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALLOW US
OR TALK WITH THE CITY ABOUT
ADDING ELECTRICAL OUTLETS TO THE
MEDIAN SO THAT DURING CHRISTMAS
THAT WE COULD PUT UP LIGHTS,
THAT SORT OF THING AND REALLY
BEAUTIFY THE MEDIAN WHICH AGAIN
IS THE GATEWAY TO OUR CITY.
I THINK IT WOULD ENHANCE THE
GATEWAY TO THE TH HISTORIC DISTT
AS WELL.
AND AGAIN CONTINUE MAY MAINTENAE
OF THE BOULEVARD THAT'S
CURRENTLY TAKEN CARE OF BY THE
CITY, WE WOULD ASK THAT IT BE
CONTINUED ONCE THE LANDSCAPING
IS COMPLETED.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
>> ANY QUESTIONS.
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU FOR
THAT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU ALL WHO
HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND TO
BRING THIS FORWARD.
AND ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
FROM THE COMMISSION ON THIS
ITEM?
VICE MAYOR, YEAH, YOU WERE A
PART OF IT.
>> Commissioner Kolody: I'M NOT
A PART OF IT.
I DID GO TO THEIR FIRST
GATHERING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING
LIKE THIS MOVE FORWARD.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT
MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S THE FAULKNER
DISTRICT, NEIGHBORHOOD 10, THE
EXACT LIMITS OF WHAT YOU'RE
PROPOSING FOR PHASE 1 AND PHASE
2.
AS A LITTLE BACKGROUND, I'M IN
THE CORONADO ISLAND DISTRICT
WHICH WE WORK VERY HARD TO COME
UP WITH SOME GOALS AND SOME
REQUESTS FROM THE CITY.
IT WAS A VERY FORMALIZED WAY TO
DO IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR LAND
DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AS TO
HOW THAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO SET UP
A WHOLE NEW PROCESS FOR
NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN WE HAVE ONE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU COULDN'T
MOVE FORWARD IN PHASES.
IT JUST MEANS THAT YOU WOULD
HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH BASICALLY
WHAT YOU HAVE AND WRITE IT
WITHIN OUR CODES AND WORK WITH
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL.
THEY WOULD SUPPORT YOU 100% I'M
SURE.
>> AND THEY HAVE.
THEY WERE UNANIMOUS IN
SUPPORTING THIS INITIATIVE.
>> Commissioner Kolody: AND I
WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IN
THAT DIRECTION.
>> Mayor Owen: I JUST NEED SOME
CLARITY ON THAT.
WHEN YOU SAY WORK WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL, LIKE ON --
THE SPECIFIC ASK OF THE QUESTIOE
LAST SLIDE, THE ASK OF THE
COMMISSION?
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL CAN'T DO
MOST OF THESE ALTHOUGH THIGH
TALKED ABOUT THE BEAUTIFICATION
GRANTS.
THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THE
CHALLENGES WITH THAT QUITE
FRANKLY.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO MAKE A
DECISION ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE DELEGATE
THAT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCIL?
>> Commissioner Kolody: NEIGHBOR
COUNCIL WOULD LISTEN, WORK WITH
THEM, COME UP WITH A PROGRAM
THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO US
AND ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN OUR
CODES AT THAT POINT.
>> Mayor Owen: PRESENTED TO US
BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL?
>> Commissioner Kolody: OR BY
THEM DIRECTLY.
I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY THE
FORMAT THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WHEN
WE CHANGED FROM NORTH CAUSEWAY
TO CORONADO ISLAND.
HOWEVER, IT IS CITY PROPERTY.
IT'S OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND
WE SHOULD WORK THROUGH THAT.
SO PERHAPS OR STAFF WOULD LOOK
BACK AND FIND OUT HOW WE
ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED IT BUT
IT'S WORK OUT WELL.
>> Mayor Owen: OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS OF THE PRESENTER OR
AMONG OURSELVES?
>> JUST A COMMENT, MR. MAYOR.
>> Mayor Owen: MR. SACHS.
>> Commissioner Sachs: I WOULD
LIKE TO THANK YOU FROM THE
BOTTOM OF MY HEART BECAUSE I CAN
TELL YOU AND YOUR GROUP LOVE THE
CITY AND YOUR AREA.
YOU MIGHT SET A GREAT EXAMPLE
FOR OTHER PARTS OF NEW SMYRNA
BEACH.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT
HOLISTICALLY.
AND I DEFINITELY SUPPORT AS FAR
AS I CAN.
THE MONEY PART, WE'LL HAVE TO
TALK.
BUT WHEN YOU GO OUTSIDE OF YOUR
HOMES AND YOU LOOK AT THE
EASEMENTS AND THE AREAS THAT YOU
FAFRONT, IF YOU WANT TO BEAUTIFY
THEM WITH A THEME AND EVERYBODY
ORGANIZE TOGETHER, BLOCK
PARTIES, ALL OF THAT IS REALLY
GREAT TO BRING THE COMMUNITY
TOGETHER.
I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: COMMISSIONER.
>> THANK YOU.
I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.
I THINK THIS IS EXPECTED AND
IT'S GOING TO BECOME THE NORM.
AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE
DOING THIS.
YOU'RE DOING IT CLASSY.
YOU'RE DOING IT LIKE YOU SHOULD
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BRING
TREMENDOUS VALUE TO NOT ONLY
YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY FOR THE
COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
>> THANKS, JASON.
>> Commissioner McGuirk: THANK
YOU.
>> I COULD SUPPORT THIS BUT I'M
A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK.
AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL WHEN
YOU PRESENTED IT YOU INCLUDED
THE ENTIRE DISTRICT AT THAT TIME
AND NOW YOU'VE SHRUNK IT DOWN.
>> I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH.
WE MET WITH THE CITY PLANNING
STAFF, KIND OF LOOKED AT BORDERS
AND BOUNDARIES.
AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, PROBABLY TOO
WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT
MAPS THAT SHOW DIFFERENT THINGS.
THERE'S HISTORIC OVERLAYS ET
CETERA.
THIS IS TWO-FOLD.
NEIGHBORHOOD 10 IS THE FAULKNER
NEIGHBORHOOD BUT DOES NOT
INCLUDE FROM WASHINGTON TO
RONNOC.
IT'S IN THE FAULKNER
NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THAT'S
TECHNICALLY PART OF THE CANAL
STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
FROM RONNOC UP TO WAYNE AND
BEYOND, TO TANGLEWOOD, WE DON'T
HAVE A NAME OTHER THAN PALM ANY.
PART OF THE BRANDING INITIATIVE,
IT'S TO GIVE A BEAUTIFUL NAME SO
THAT OTHER FOLKS FROM OUT OF THE
AREA CAN SEE THAT WE LIVE IN THE
RIVERSIDE GARDEN DISTRICT.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT
WE'RE JUST LAUNCHING THIS.
THIS IS A BRAND-NEW INITIATIVE
AND WE REALLY WANT TO DO IT
RIGHT AND WE WANT TO START AS A
PILOT, IF YOU WILL.
AND WE FELT IT WAS MORE
MANAGEABLE -- WE HAVE 40 HOMES
IN OUR AREA FROM RONNOC TO WAYNE
FROM FAULKNER TO RIVERSIDE AND
WE HAVE A COMMITTEE OF FIVE
PEOPLE.
IT'S A BANDWITH ISSUE.
WE DETERMINED WE WOULD ROLL IT
OUT IN STAGES, DETERMINE BEST
PRACTICES, WHO THE SPONSORS
MIGHT BE, HOW THE CITY MIGHT BE
WILLING TO WORK WITH IT AS LONG
AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL AND
ROLL IT OUT INTO PHASE 2 BY
2021.
DIANE BEAN HAS ALREADY
VOLUNTEERED TO ROLL OUT AND BE
THE NEXT COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR
PHASE 2 AND TAKE ON THE NEXT
CHUNK OF HOMES FURTHER NORTH OF
WAYNE AVENUE.
SO WE JUST WANT TO ROLL IT OUT
AND DO IT RIGHT AND DO IT SMALL
AND LET IT EXPAND FROM THERE.
>> Commissioner Hartman: I
CERTAINLY COULD SUPPORT THIS.
IT WORK REALLY HARD IN THE CITY
I USED TO LIVE IN.
AND ACTUALLY THERE WAS
COMPETITION AMONG THE
NEIGHBORHOODS TO WHO COULD DO A
BETTER JOB.
>> Commissioner Hartman: CERTAIN
LY.
BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
MORE INFORMATION, MORE
SPECIFICS, NUMBER OF ELECTRICAL
OUTLETS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE
THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
DOLLARS AND CENTS AND PREFERABLY
BEFORE THE BUDGET CYCLE STARTS
IN APRIL SO WE COULD LOOK AT
MAYBE BUDGETING SOMETHING FOR
THAT IN THE FUTURE AND ROLL OUT
NEIGHBORHOOD GRANTS OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT.
IT WORKED REALLY WELL IN ORLANDO
AND IT REALLY GOT A LOT OF
COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
EVEN GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT IN ALL
OF THE OTHER DIFFERENT
ORGANIZATIONS, THE LABOR YUANS
UNIONSWERE INVOLVED IN CERTAIN
NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT IS DOABLE BUT ALONG WITH
COMMISSIONER KOLODY, I SHOULD BE
DONE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCIL SO THAT WE'RE NOT
INUNDATED WITH EVERY
NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY, SO
THEY COULD FOCUS THEIR ATTENTION
AND THE EFFORTS AND BRING IT
THAT WAY.
>> UNDERSTOOD.
NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT A
PROPOSAL, FOR EXAMPLE, ON HOW
MANY ELECTRICAL OUTLETS WE WOULD
LIKE, WHAT TYPE OF SUSTAINABLE
PLANTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO
PLANT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THE
RESEARCH ON THOSE NU NUMBERS TOE
BEST OF OUR ABILITY WHAT THE
COST MIGHT BE.
SUBMIT A PROPOSAL.
YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WOULD BE
APPROVED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCIL OR WOULD IT GO THROUGH
THEM FIRST AND THEN THEY WOULD
SUBMIT IT TO -- I FEEL LIKE
THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A
COMMISSION-APPROVED --
>> Commissioner Hartman: THAT
WOULD HAVE TO BE COMMISSION.
>> -- BUDGET, RIGHT?
IS THE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL FIRST AND
THEN THEY GIVE YOU OUR PROPOSAL?
I'M NOT CLEAR ON THAT PROCESS.
>> Mayor Owen: LET'S HAVE SOME
MORE DISCUSSION UP HERE AND THEN
WE'LL TRY TO TIGHTEN THAT UP.
MY COMMENTS ON THIS AGAIN, TO
ECHO EVERYONE ELSE, I THINK WHAT
MAKES NEW SMYRNA U MEEK, I'VE
TALKED ABOUT THIS AT DIFFERENT
TIMES, WHAT GIVES US A SPECIAL
SENSE OF PLACE, IT'S NOT JUST
THE BRICK AND MORTAR.
WE HAVE SOME GREAT PLACES.
BUT IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE A
PLACE UNIQUE.
AND IT'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE A
PRIDE IN THE CITY THEY LIVE IN
AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF A
MICROCHASM OF THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES
NEIGHBORHOODS SPECIAL AND
UNIQUE.
SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
SPECIFICALLY THE ASK YOU HAVE IN
FRONT OF US, I WOULD SUPPORT THE
WAIVER OF THE LICENSE AGREEMENT,
I CAN SUPPORT GIVING THE
PERMISSION AS LONG AS THAT'S
DONE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, IN
COORDINATION WITH THE CITY STAFF
SO THAT WE HAVE SOME INPUT AND
INVOLVEMENT ALONG THERE SO IT
WORKS.
IT'S UNIQUE TO THAT BOTTOM ITEM
THAT I ALSO SUPPORT, ONCE YOU DO
IT WE CAN MAINTAIN IT IF IT'S
DONE TO OUR STANDARDS AND OUR
LIKING.
I COULD SUPPORT ALL OF THOSE.
BEAUTIFICATION GRANTS IS A
BROADER CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL
KICKED THAT OFF SOMETIME BACK.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT LANDED.
I WOULD LIKE MORE INPUT ON THAT.
AND ON THE ELECTRICAL OUTLETS,
WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THE
COST.
MAYBE THAT'S AN AREA WHERE A
SLIDE OR TWO BACK YOU TALKED
ABOUT POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT MAYBE
COULD COME INTO PLAY.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
LIFT IS.
TO ME THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE
CAN MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY ON AND
THEN SOME THAT CAN COME BACK.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NOTION
OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL'S
INVOLVEMENT.
I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE CLARITY
TO STAFF FROM US ON ARE WE --
AND WE MAY NEED TO HAVE A
BROADER CONVERSATION THAN
TONIGHT.
BUT ARE WE AUTHORIZING THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL TO -- DOES
ALL OF THIS GO TO THEM AND THEN
THEY BRING US BACK, YOU KNOW,
THE PROPOSAL OR CAN THEY APPROVE
THE WAIVER OF LICENSE?
THEY CAN'T APPROVE THAT.
VICE MAYOR, WHAT ARE YOU
THOUGHTS?
>> Commissioner Kolody: THROUGH
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL THEY
WOULD ESTABLISH THE PARAMETERS
AS TO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE AND
HOW THE DISTRICT WOULD WORK.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BRING
FORTH THE INDIVIDUAL PLANS THAT
YOU WOULD AND YOU COULD APPROACH
A CITY.
THEY'RE ACCOMPLISHING IT IN OUR
ORDINANCES WITH OUR AGREEMENT AS
TO EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY WOULD
GO FORWARD.
THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE OUTLETS
FOR OUTING, THE MAINTENANCE,
THAT TYPE OF THING.
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL WOULD
ESTABLISH THE BASICS, THE
PARAMETER AS TO WHAT WOULD GO
INTO THE DISTRICT.
I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PULL
OUT OUR LAND USE CODES AND OUR
ORDINANCES AND SHOW YOU
SPECIFICALLY WHAT WAS INCLUDED
IN THE CORONADO ISLAND PLAN.
>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
>> Commissioner Kolody: PART OF
THAT PLAN WOULD BE THE NAME
CHANGE.
>> SURE.
>> Commissioner Kolody: JUST ONE
THING.
>> SURE.
>> Commissioner Kolody: YOUR
DISTRICT IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT
LITERALLY FALLS IN THREE
SEPARATE ZONES.
YOU HAVE THREE OF US TO DEAL
WITH AND TO GET HELP FROM.
, WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO LOOK
AT IT.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL I THINK
SHOULD BE THE DRIVING FORCE AND
IT SHOULD GO THROUGH THAT.
AND OUR STAFF WILL DIRECT US,
I'M SURE, AS TO WHICH WAY TO
IMPLEMENT IT.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON FROM THIS
ITEM.
SO JUST IF WE HAVE SOME CLARITY.
I'VE MADE IT CLEAR WHAT I WOULD
SUPPORT ON THIS.
I'LL GIVE DEFERENCE TO MY FELLOW
COMMISSIONER ON -- HE SEEMS TO
HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS
BEFORE.
IF HE CAN HELP PROVIDE GUIDANCE
TO STAFF, A MOTION, I WOULD GIVE
DEFERENCE TO THAT.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION
TO SUPPORT THE RIVERSIDE GARDEN
DISTRICT.
>> SECOND.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
I MEAN THAT'S A BROAD MOTION.
AS PRESENTED?
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO ADD ON
THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE
LANGUAGE I WOULD LIKE TO
INCLUDE, BUT BABY STEPS IS WHERE
I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THIS.
THE COSTS ARE, OF COURSE,
TANTAMOUNT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT BRINGS
THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER,
BEAUTIFIES A FABULOUS COMMUNITY.
EXAMPLES.
IT'S ALL GOOD.
>> Mayor Owen: I THINK WE'RE ALL
IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
IT'S THE HOW WE GET THERE.
>> IF YOU NEED MORE SPECIFIC
LANGUAGE, MAYBE SOMEONE CAN
SECOND WITH THAT.
>> OKAY.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED.
>> Mayor Owen: WE HAVE A SECOND.
>> I WOULD --
>> Mayor Owen: HANG ON.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
SECOND HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
ANYONE ELSE SECOND THE MOTION.
>> SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
>> Mayor Owen: SECOND FOR
DISCUSSION.
>> I WOULD SIMPLY PROPOSE TO
AMEND IT TO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT
OF THE DISTRICT AND THEN WE CAN
WORK OUT THE DETAILS LATER.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE STAFF,
WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION, I
WOULD LIKE TO GIVE STAFF
DIRECTION ON WORKING OUT THE
CONCEPT.
WHAT ARE THE NEXT TWO STEPS THEY
NEED TO TALK SO THEY CAN RUN
WITH SOMETHING.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE
MOTION.
>> THAT AMENDMENT AS A SECOND.
>> AND I WOULD GLADLY ACCEPT
THAT AMENDMENT.
AGAIN, BABY STEPS.
YOU KNOW, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW
WE WANT TO FORM THIS.
THE CONCEPT, A FABULOUS IDEA.
THE DETAILS WE CAN WORK OUT.
YOU NEED A FORMAL MOTION MORE
THAN THAT?
>> Mayor Owen: I MEAN.
>> WHY DOESN'T THE VICE MAYOR
MAKE THE MOTION BECAUSE HE SEEMS
TO UNDERSTAND --
>> Mayor Owen: THAT'S WHAT I'M
DRIVING AT.
A MOTION AND THE SECOND IS ON
THE TABLE.
LET'S WITHDRAW THAT MOTION.
I ASK THE VICE MAYOR TO CRAFT A
MOTION TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION.
HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> Commissioner Kolody: I MAKE A
MOTION TO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF
THE GARDEN DISTRICT WITHIN THE
PARAMETERS OF WORKING WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL AND GIVING
STAFF DIRECTION TO ASSIST IN
THAT ENDEAVOR.
>> AND I WILL SECOND THAT
MOTION.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
>> MAY I MAKE AN ADDITION?
>> Mayor Owen: SURE.
>> I THINK IF YOU APPROVE THIS
IN CONCEPT WITH THE IDEA THAT
THE STAFF WORKS WITH THEM,
COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THE
COSTS.
BECAUSE THERE IS COSTS INVOLVED
WITH THIS.
>> Mayor Owen: UNKNOWN COSTS AT
THIS POINT.
>> I THINK YOU APPROVE THE
CONCEPT, WORK WITH THE STAFF,
COME BACK TO YOU PROBABLY IN
JANUARY WITH SOME COSTS AND
ESTIMATES ON THE ITEMS THAT
THEY'RE REQUESTING.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
I LIKE THAT SUGGESTION.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED.
I WILL GIVE DEFERENCE TO
COMMISSIONER KOLODY TO WORK WITH
STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD
COUNCIL ON TRYING TO PUSH THIS
FORWARD BASED ON YOUR
EXPERIENCES.
I'VE MADE IT CLEAR WHAT I
SUPPORT.
I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T SUPPORT
ANYTHING MONETARILY BUT I WOULD
SAY WE JUST NEED MORE
INFORMATION ON THAT.
WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.
JUST TO BE REAL CLEAR ON THIS,
DID YOU WITHDRAW YOUR PREVIOUS
MOTION.
>> YES.
>> Mayor Owen: DO YOU AGREE TO
WITHDRAW OUR MOTION.
>> VICE MAYS KOLODY CAN MAKE THE
MOTION.
>> Mayor Owen: WE HAVE A MOTION
BY VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND.
EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THE MOTION?
IT WAS TO SUPPORT TO CONCEPT,
ASK STAFF, NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL
TO BASICALLY WORK THROUGH THE
DETAILS.
NOTHING BUDGET WISE WILL BE --
WE'VE APPROVED NOTHING BUDGET
WISE.
>> COME BACK SOMETIME AFTER THE
FIRST OF THE YEAR.
I'M GOOD.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT.
>> Mayor Owen: ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ON
THIS REAL QUICK.
[ APPLAUSE ]
[ ROLL CALL ]
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU ALL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE
WORKING THROUGH THAT.
THE BEAUTY OF SUNSHINE.
SOMETIMES YOU GET TO SEE THE
SAUSAGE MADE.
NEXT ITEM UP.
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
YOUR CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE
COMMISSION ON ANY CITY BUSINESS
ON THE AGENDA OR OTHERWISE FOR
ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA,
ITEMS UNDER 7, ADMINISTRATIVE
ITEMS OF NEW BUSINESS, THIS IS
YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THOSE,
ITEMS ON SECOND READINGS AND
SECTION 8, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO
SPEAK TO THOSE ITEMS AT THAT
TIME.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA, NOW
IS YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK IF YOU
WOULD PLEASE COME GUARD.
GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND
PLEASE LIMIT YOURSELF TO THE
THREE MINUTES.
I WANT TO POINT OUT FOR PUBLIC
RECORD, WE DID RECEIVE ONE
E-MAIL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
COMMENT THAT WILL BE IN THE
MEETING MINUTES.
YES, MA'AM.
YOU'RE UP.
>> THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME
TO LISTEN TO ME.
MY NAME IS KATHIE.
I LIVE AT 918 MAGNOLIA STREET.
THANK YOU FOR MY STOP SEEN.
IT'S WORKING WONDERS AND I'M
GRATEFUL FOR ALL THAT YOU DID.
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU.
YES, MA'AM.
>> GOOD EVENING.
>> MY NAME IS ANN KEMP.
I LIVE AT 223 CRAWFORD ROAD AND
I'M HERE TO PRESENT A LITTLE
CITY, A LITTLE TOWN IN FRANCE
CALLED ALLANCHE.
I SPENT AN E-MAIL TO EVERYBODY
YESTERDAY BUT SORRY I JUST WENT
TO CARPAL TUNNEL.
I LIVE IN NEW SMYRNA BEACH SINCE
2012.
I CAME TO LIVE WITH MY HUSBAND.
AND TWO YEARS AGO WE DECIDED TO
BUY A SHED PUT UNDER GROUND IN
FRANCE AND WE PICKED A VILLAGE
IN THE MIDDLE, AS WE SAY,
NOWHERE.
IT'S FIVE HOURS FROM PARIS.
FIVE HOURS FROM THE EAST BORDER.
FIVE HOURS FROM THE WEST COAST
AND ABOUT THREE TO FOUR HOURS TO
THE SOUTH.
BUT IT'S A VERY SPECIAL AREA AND
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GREEN
NATURE AND EVERYTHING.
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
IT HAS HOT SPRINGS, MINERAL
WATER, CASTLES AND WE BELIEVE
THAT THE VILLAGE WAS BUILT IN
THE MIDDLE AGE PERIOD.
IT'S A RURAL AREA WITH COWS AND
COWS HAVE BELLS.
SO YOU CAN HEAR THEM RINGING IN
THE MOUNTAINS.
MOST ACTIVITIES HIKING, SKIING,
BICYCLES, THE TOUR DE FRANCE
GOES BY VERY CLOSE.
THE CASCADES.
THERE'S A CREAMER, A BAKER, A
BUTCHER, MARKET.
ONCE A WEEK AND TWICE A WEEK
DURING THE SUMMER.
WE HAVE FRIENDS FROM NEW SMYRNA
BEACH VISITING US AND SINCE THEY
BOUGHT PROPERTY, WE HAVE ALL OF
FRANCE WHO ARE THINKING OF
BUYING PRETTY SOON.
AND IT IS NOT PARIS.
THIS IS REALLY SITUATED IN THE
MIDDLE OF AN OFFICIAL VOLCANIC
NATIONAL PARK FROM FRANCE AND
THE MAYOR OF THAT LITTLE CITY
ASKED ME TO REPRESENT THEIR
VILLAGE TONIGHT AND SUGGEST TO
THE TWIN CITY.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
TWINNING COULD BRING, MAYBE
EXCHANGE OF SPORTS ACTIVITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF HIKING AND IN
THE MOUNTAINS.
BUT MAYBE THERE'S ALSO MIDDLE
SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL, SO
EXCHANGE OF KIDS.
FRANCE IS NOT ONLY PARIS LIKE
THE UNITED STATES, NOT ONLY NEW
YORK OR WASHINGTON.
IT'S A GOOD WAY TO TRAVEL AND
EXCHANGE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY.
>> Mayor Owen: EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND
BEING A NEW SMYRNA RESIDENT AND
BRINGING SOME FRIENDS OVER.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS
ACTUALLY WITH A CITY IN GREECE,
WASN'T IT?
IT WAS A SISTER CITY
RELATIONSHIP.
WE DIDN'T DO TWINNING BUT I
THINK IT'S KIND OF THE SAME
CONCEPT.
SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS NEAT.
I THINK THERE'S NO DOWNSIDES TO
IT, NO COSTS THAT I KNOW OF.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO HAVING STAFF
LOOK AT THIS, COMMISSIONERS?
ANY OBJECTIONS?
>> I'M FINE WITH IT.
>> Mayor Owen: WE'LL HAVE STAFF
CONNECT WITH YOU.
IF YOU'LL GRAB ONE OF THOSE
BUSINESS CARDS FOR EITHER THE
CLERK OR THE CITY MANAGER AND
SHOOT AND E-MAIL TO ONE OF THEM
AND THEY'LL CONNECT WITH YOU AND
WORK THROUGH SOME DETAILS.
WE'LL DO SOMETHING FORMAL FOR
YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Mayor Owen: ANY OTHERS WISH
TO COME FORWARD.
>> RANDY HERMAN, 108 ESTHER
STREET.
JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE, AS CHAIR OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL, LIKE TO
SUPPORT THE GARDEN DISTRICT
INITIATIVE AND GLAD THAT YOU ALL
HAVE VOTED TO SUPPORT IT.
AND I'M GLAD YOU START TALKING
ABOUT SOME OF THE FINER DETAILS.
AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL NOW
OPERATES, WE CAN ONLY RECOMMEND
AND SO WHEN IT COMES INTO ACTUAL
FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION AND OR
LAND DESIGNATION CHANGES, I
THINK WE DO NEED A PROCESS SO
THAT WE DON'T COMPLICATE IF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COMES AND WE THINK
IT'S A GOOD PLAN AND IT'S GOOD
ORGANIC ENERGY AND IT MEETS A
LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE
THINK, YOU KNOW, FULFILLS WHAT
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL IS
ABOUT, WE WILL NEED A PROCESS
THEN.
BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GOING TO
BE COSTS INVOLVED, AS SHE'S
RAISED.
MAY BE MINOR.
BUT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE -- I
THINK MR. HARTMAN BROUGHT UP THE
ISSUE OF THE BUDGET CYCLE AND
WHEN DOES THAT COME IN.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN DEVELOP THAT
KIND OF THING SO WE DON'T END UP
IN ANY WAY SQUASHING THE GOOD
INITIATIVES.
BUT I ALSO CONCUR WITH
COMMISSIONER KOLODY'S CONCERN
THAT I HOPE THEY WILL DO PHASE 2
AND EXPAND THE BOUNDARY TO
INCLUDE ALL OF THE FAULKNER
BOUNDARY DESIGNATED BY THE CITY.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL IS ABOUT IS
MAKING SURE THAT NEIGHBORHOODS
ARE INCLUSIVE, NOT EXCLUSIVE.
AND I THINK THE MORE WE CAN GET
INVOLVEMENT IN THOSE DESIGNATED
AREAS, THE BETTER FOR ALL OF US.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD
LIKE TO MENTION, RECENTLY THE
NEWS COVERED THE YEARLY
EVALUATION AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
AND I WAS STRUCK BY THE LACK OF
TRANSPARENCY AND THE LACK OF ANY
KIND OF WRITTEN EVALUATION.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REALLY
PRAISE ALL OF YOU FOR CREATING
THAT VERY EXCELLENT EVALUATION
SYSTEM FOR OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR
CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY
CLERK.
I THINK IT'S A STEP FORWARD FOR
OUR CITY.
AND TO ME IT'S PART OF THE BLUE
MOVEMENT, THE MORE WE CAN MAKE
THINGS CLEAR AND HONEST AND OPEN
AND MAKE SURE THAT THE STANDARDS
THAT WE EXPECT ARE LEE CLEAR FOE
APPLICANT AND THE CITY.
IT'S A GREAT STEP FORWARD.
WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF WHAT YOU
ALL DID IN OUR CITY.
YOU HAVE YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING
MEETING COMING UP ON THURSDAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'M AWARE OF
IS THE HUGE AMOUNT OF DATA AND
INFORMATION THAT SEEMS TO BE
FLOWING MORE SO IN OUR CITY WITH
MORE MEETINGS, MORE COMMISSIONS.
ESTABLISHING SOME FORM OF METRIC
SYSTEM THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO
DECEIVE AND UNDERSTAND ALL OF
THE DATA IN BETTER WAYS.
I WOULD URGE YOU TO ENSURE THAT
WE CAN DEVELOP SOMETHING TO HELP
US CITIZENS, STAFF AND YOU ALL
GET THROUGH ALL OF THAT DATA.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST I WISH
YOU ALL A GOOD HOLIDAY.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: NEXT UP.
SHIA.
VERY FESTIVE TONIGHT.
>> HAPPY LO HOLIDAYS.
>> Mayor Owen: HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
>> FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO
SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRAFFIC
MEASURING EQUIPMENT THAT YOU PUT
OUT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE ON
WASHINGTON STREET.
I'M VERY ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT
THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE AND
HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME
TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES VERY
SOON IN THAT AREA.
I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT,
JUST TO SEE SOME ACTIVITY.
ON TO ANOTHER NOTE, AS YOU ALL
KNOW, I'VE COME TO YOU ALL
INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT ISSUES THAT
I'VE HAD IN THE COMMUNITY OVER
THE PAST DECADE.
WELL, I'M BACK AGAIN WITH MORE
ISSUES.
I MIGHT GO OVER MY THREE
MINUTES.
IS THAT OKAY?
I'LL BE BRIEF.
>> Mayor Owen: WITHIN REASON.
YOU'VE NEVER ASKED FOR THAT
BEFORE.
>> ON DECEMBER 6th I RECEIVED
AN E-MAIL FROM REGGIE BEVERLY,
WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A DIRECTOR
OF PROGRAMS AT THE COMMUNITY
CENTER SAYING PURE YOUR REVIEW
YOU ARE SCHEDULED TO BE AT THE
CENTER MONDAY AND FRIDAYS FROM 5
P.M. TO 7 P.M.
PLEASE DO NOT SCHEDULE TO MEET
YOUR PARTICIPANTS AND OR THEIR
PARENTS AT THE JAMES CENTER
ANYTIME OTHER THAN YOUR
SCHEDULED TIME TO BE IN THE
BUILDING.
AND THEN I FOUND OUT THAT HIS
TITLE IS NOW JAMES, PRO PROGRAM
COORDINATOR.
ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAYS
I HAVE MY HAPPY STEPPERS DANCE
TEAM PRACTICE.
ON MONDAYS AND FRIDAYS FROM 5 TO
7 AT THE JAMES CENTER AND ON
WEDNESDAY AT THE PARK.
I HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY
MANAGER AND NANCY MADDOCKS
STATING THAT ONCE THE TIME
CHANGES, BECAUSE OF COURSE IT
WOULD BE NIGHT TIME AND THE
WEATHER BECAME INCLEMENT WE
WOULD HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION
ABOUT MOVING THE ACTIVITIES FROM
THE PARK TO THE JAMES COMMUNITY
CENTER.
A COUPLE OF THOSE DAYS WERE MET
WITH INCLEMENT WEATHER, RAINING
AND EXTREMELY COLD AND I CALLED
MR. REGGIE TO SEE IF WE COULD
COME IN AND USE THE FACILITY.
EACH TIME I WAS TOLD NO.
WHAT I DID, ONE OF THE WEDNESDAY
I WAS TOLD NO I WENT INTO THE
JAMES COMMUNITY CENTER AND I
RECORDED ALL OF THE INACTIVITY
THAT WAS GOING ON DURING THAT
TIME.
AFTER THAT TIME THE CITY
MANAGER, NANCY MADDOCKS, REGGIE
BEVERLY ALL APPROACHED ME AND
SAID DURING THE TIME YOU WERE IN
THERE OUR KIDS ARE OUTSIDE.
THERE'S A FEW THINGS I NEED TO
HAVE ANSWERED.
WHY IS IT -- IT SEEMS LIKE THE'S
ALWAYS A PROBLEM WHEN I'M TRYING
TO DO PROGRAMMING AT THE JAMES
COMMUNITY CENTER.
EVERY TIME I OFFER A PROGRAM THE
LEADERSHIP SAYS THAT THERE'S NO
SPACE OR THE PROGRAM IS FULL
WITH OTHER ACTIVITIES.
BUT WHEN I COME IN THERE DURING
THE TIME THAT I'M ASKING FOR THE
ACTIVITIES, THERE'S NOTHING
GOING ON.
AND IF YOUR PROGRAM IS SET TO BE
BY MR. REGGIE THE CITY MANAGER
AND OTHER WORKERS AT THE CITY IS
OUTSIDE DURING TOO TIMES OF 4:30
TO 5:30 AND THEN THE PROGRAMS
ENDS, I DON'T SEE WHY I CAN'T
USE THE SPACE SINCE YOUR KIDS IN
THE AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM ARE
OUTSIDE ANYWAY.
DOESN'T THAT MAKE THE SPACE
AVAILABLE?
I WAS ALSO TOLD BY MR. REGGIE
THAT THEY HAVE STARTED A LEGO
CLUB NOW ON WEDNESDAY AT THE
TIME THAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO
BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE SPACE.
AND SO NOW THE ROOM IS
UNAVAILABLE.
HE ALSO COULDN'T GIVE ME THE
TIMES OF THE PROGRAM THAT IT
WOULD START AND THAT IT WOULD
END.
HE ALSO STATED THAT HE DIDN'T
SEE ANY ISSUES WITH ME SHARING
THE SPACE BECAUSE WE ONLY USE
HALF OF THE BUILDING ANYWAY
WHICH IS THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM
AND THAT ROOM HOLDS 250-PLUS
PEOPLE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO
HAVE 250 PEOPLE IN THEIR LEGO
CLUB.
ALSO ON WEDNESDAYS MOST OF THE
PARTICIPANTS IN MY PROGRAM
ATTEND THE JAMES COMMUNITY
CENTER AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM.
ON WEDNESDAY THEY HAVE TO LEAVE
THE CENTER TO WALK OVER TO
PETTIES TO ATTEND WHAT WE'RE
DOING.
ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT I'M ABLE
TO COME TO THE JAMES COMMUNITY
CENTER AND SERVICE THE KIDS THAT
ARE ALREADY THERE.
I'M ASKING THE COMMISSION TO
TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE WAY
STAFF CONDUCTS BUSINESS WITH THE
AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM, WHAT ARE
THE GUIDELINES TO OFFER A
SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM AT THIS
COMMUNITY CENTER WITHOUT ALL OF
THE RED TAPE.
THESE TYPE OF SITUATIONS HAVE
FOLLOWED ME AND MY COMMUNITY
SERVICE WORK FOR ALMOST A DECADE
AND IT REALLY NEEDS TO STOP.
THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS VITAL
PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AS THE
HISTORIC WEST SIDE AND THAT'S
OUR FUTURE LEADERS THAT HAVE
GREAT IDEAS BUT DON'T STAND A
CHANCE AGAINST THE POLITICS OF
THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
I HAVE VIDEO DOCUMENTATION OF
THE INACTIVITY THAT WAS GOING ON
AT THE TIME OF THE WEDNESDAYS
THAT I WAS REQUESTING TO HAVE
THE DANCE TEAM DURING THAT TIME.
I'M ALSO REQUESTING AN EARLIER
PROGRAM TIME FOR MONDAYS,
WEDNESDAYS AND FRIDAYS.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR KIDS WHO PARENTS
ARE AT WORK.
IT SAYS THE TIME HAS CHANGED
WITH THE PROGRAM ENDING AT 7:00.
IT'S DARK.
SO THOSE THAT USUALLY WOULD WALK
HOME, NOW THEY'RE STAYING UNTIL
7:00 WITH THE DANCE PROGRAM, I'M
TAKING THEM HOME EVERY DAY ON A
PROGRAM THAT THEY SUGGEST BE
FREE TO THE KIDS IN THE
COMMUNITY BUT THEY DON'T PLAN ON
HELPING ME SUSTAIN THAT FREEDOM.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I WOULD LIKE
TO UTILIZE THE SPACE ON
WEDNESDAY AT THE JAMES COMMUNITY
CENTER.
THIS ALSO SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE
CLIMATE AT THE CENTER THAT I
HAVE TO COME TO THE COMMISSION
MEETING TO GET A RESOLUTION.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN DOING
THROUGH THIS FOR A DECADE.
ALL OF YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT
ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.
I'M REALLY GETTING VERY TIRED OF
IT AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE
SOME TYPE OF CHECKLIST THAT
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN MEET
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT
TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM AT
THE JAMES COMMUNITY CENTER.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU.
YOU HIT US WITH A LOT AND THANK
YOU FOR COMING TO SHARE THAT.
IF YOU WOULD, I WOULD LOVE MAYBE
YOU, ME AND SHIA CAN SIT DOWN
AND CHAT.
>> IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD
MEET THERE.
>> Mayor Owen: OBVIOUSLY FELLOW
COMMISSIONERS CAN'T BE AT THE
MEETING BUT IF YOU WANT TO
SEPARATELY TALK.
I'LL TRY TO MEET WITH HIM.
I'VE WORKED WITH SHIA ON SEVERAL
THINGS AND SUPPORTED SOME OF HER
PROGRAMS.
WE'LL -- A LOT TO TALK IN BUT
WE'LL TRY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM
OF THAT AND REPORT BACK TO
EVERYONE.
I'D LIKE TO DO THAT THIS WEEK IF
AT ALL POSSIBLE.
WE'LL FIND SOME TIME.
I'M PRETTY SWAMPED BUT WE'LL
MAKE TIME FOR THIS WEEK IF YOU
HAVE THE TIME.
ANY OTHERS FOR PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION.
YES, SIR.
GO AHEAD.
>> HI.
I'LL BE BRIEF BECAUSE I'M
ECHOING SOMEONE WHICH MEANS I'M
BEING REDUNDANT.
DEEN, I LIVE 743 WILLIAMS ROAD,
RETIRED, 30 YEARS IN THE
MILITARY, SIX YEARS AGO.
AND THE RELEVANCE IS WE'RE ONE
OF THE PEOPLE THAT GOT CONNED
INTO BUYING -- WE DIDN'T GET
CONNED.
WE BOUGHT IN A FANTASTIC PLACE
AS ANNE WENT INTO.
AND WHAT'S INTERESTING IS IT'S A
BIT OF AN ENACT ANYMORE.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
SUSTAINABILITY AND EVERYTHING
YOU EAT THERE, YOUR BREAD IS
DONE AT THE END OF 24 HOURS, 12
HOURS EVEN.
EVERYTHING IS AUTOMATICALLY
SUSTAINABLE.
IT'S BEEN THAT WAY.
I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT TO
LEARN FROM BOTH SIDES, AN
EXCHANGE OF IDEAS FROM PROBLEM
SOLUTION SETS.
AND THIS REALLY IS FANTASTIC
PEOPLE.
900 PEOPLE IN THE VILLAGE.
YOU KNOW EVERYBODY AT THE CAFE
WHEN YOU GO THERE IN THE
MORNING.
ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
APPRECIATE IT.
>> Mayor Owen: EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU.
YES, SIR.
>> I TOO SECOND THE MOTION WITH
SHIA.
YOU PROBABLY SEEN ME QUITE OFTEN
WITH HER.
I JUST MOVED BACK HERE.
I'M A NATIVE.
BUT I JUST HAPPENED TO LOOK
AROUND THE CITY AND SEE THERE'S
A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I REACHED OUT TO MR. REGGIE AND
MR. REGGIE PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH
SHIA.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL SEE HER,
YOU'LL SEE ME FROM NOW ON.
BEFORE I MOVED AWAY AND THE
CHANGE HAPPENED AT THE OLD
JUNIOR HIGH WHERE THEY TORE IT
DOWN AND MOVED THOSE PEOPLE OVER
TO THE JAMES CENTER, IT WAS LIKE
THIS WHOLE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD
UP A WALL.
AND THEY MADE BLINDS, SPECIAL
BLINDS FOR THEM SO THEY COULD BE
SHUT AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO SEE
THE KIDS OUT THERE.
I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND
OF STRANGE FOR YOU TO BE, YOU
KNOW, THE LEADER OR PERSON IN
CHARGE, YOU KNOW, WALLING
YOURSELF OFF.
ONCE I MOVED AWAY I WAS JUST
ASKING ABOUT STUFF AND HEARING
NOTHING BUT NEGATIVE THINGS.
SO I JUST KIND OF QUESTION THE
LEADERSHIP OVER AT THE JAMES
CENTER MYSELF.
THAT WOULD BE ALL.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
THANK YOU.
OTHERS THAT WISH TO SPEAK.
YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AFTER
HIM, CUE UP HERE TO THE FRONT.
>> JEFFREY RITTER, AMERICAN
CANCER SOCIETY.
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
MANAGER FOR RELAY FOR LIFE.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.
WE MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER
LAST WEEK ABOUT THE CITY'S
PARTICIPATION IN RELAY FOR LIFE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE OF
FUND-RAISING TEAMS REPRESENTED
OUT AT THE EVENT.
WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE YOUR
SUPPORT.
I WANT TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR
THAT.
IN OUR DISCUSSION WE WANTED TO
COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND
ASK THAT YOU BECOME A MONETARY
SPONSOR OF THE EVENT.
WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF WE HAVE
DIFFERENT SPONSORSHIP LEVELS BUT
WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU BECOME A
PLATINUM SPONSOR, $2,500.
THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO
THAT.
YOU WOULD BE ON THE EVENT
T-SHIRT.
GET RECOGNITION IN OUR NEWS
RELEASES, SOCIAL MEDIA, MANY
PLACES.
SO WE'RE UP BEFORE THE COUNCIL
ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WHEN DO WE -- WHEN IS THE
DEADLINE ON THIS?
>> NOT FOR A WHILE.
THE EVENT IS NOT UNTIL MAY.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
>> Mayor Owen: IF YOU CAN BRING
IT BECOME UNDER CITY MANAGER
REPORTS TO LET US KNOW WHAT THE
SPONSORSHIP OPTIONS ARE, ALL OF
THE THOSE DETAILS.
I'VE SLEPT SINCE THEN.
I DON'T REMEMBER.
I KNOW YOU GAVE US A GREAT
PRESENTATION.
BRING IT BACK TO US WITH SOME
OBSERVATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK AND
ALL OF THE WORK YOU DO.
THE VICE MAYOR IS A JOGGER.
HE MIGHT COULD PARTICIPATE.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AFTER HER,
PLEASE CUE UP.
IF NOT WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE
PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
>> I'M WITH EDGEWATER
ENVIRONMENTAL IO LANES AND THIS
IS MY FIRST TIME BEING HERE.
I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S REALLY
GREAT TO HAVE HERE BECAUSE I
LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH YOUR
COMMUNITY.
I LIVE IN EDGEWATER AND I'D LIKE
TO SAY THAT HOPEFULLY WE'RE
HEADED IN THE DIRECTION YOU GUYS
ARE.
IT'S A BIT CHALLENGES DOWN
THERE.
I COME UP HERE AND I FEEL LIKE
I'M VISITING THE JETSONS AND I
GO HOME AND FEEL LIKE I'M
VISITING THE FLINTSTONES.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
TO TAG ONTO THE RIVERSIDE GARDEN
CONCEPT, I LOVE THAT WHOLE
CONCEPT AND I HOPE YOU'LL
CONSIDER PROMOTING THAT.
WE WANT TO DO THAT IN EDGEWATER
ALSO.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE
CHALLENGING WITH OUR COUNCIL
UNFORTUNATELY BUT WE'RE GETTING
THERE.
AND I LOVE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE A
SHINING EXAMPLE.
FOR A LONG TIME EDGEWATER DIDN'T
WANT TO BE COMPARED TO NEW
SMYRNA AND I THINK BECAUSE THEY
FELT LIKE THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW
TO GET THERE.
BUT I THINK WE'RE SEEING THAT
WITH THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU'RE
SETTING.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
NOW I ALSO WANT TO DRAW YOUR
ATTENTION TO SOMETHING ELSE
THAT'S CONCERNING FOR ME IN THE
LAGOON.
WE DO A LOT OF WORK IN THE
LAGOON TO RESTORE THE LAGOON
WHICH IS CLEARLY IMPERILLED.
THERE IS SOMETHING THAT MAYOR
OWEN KNOWS ABOUT.
IT'S AISLAND THAT APPEARS TO BE
UNDEVELOPPABLE.
I DON'T KNOW.
DEVELOPERS HAVE A WAY OF HIRING
ENGINEERS TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE
TRYING TO SCAM SOMEONE TO SPEND
$6 MILLION ON AN ISLAND OR
WHETHER WE MAYBE NEED TO GET IN
FRONT OF US AND PURCHASE THIS
ISLAND THROUGH VOLUSIA FOREVER
FUNDS.
THE SUN IS SETTING ON VOLUSIA
FOREVER AND I WANTED TO RENEW
THE CONVERSATION AND BRING IT
BACK TO THE TABLE BECAUSE
THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO GET
MATCHING FUNDS, 3 MILLION AND
3 MILLION AND TURN EXCITE A
RESTORATION AREA, A CONSERVATION
AREA.
IT'S IN THE CENTER OF
STATE-OWNED ISLANDS THAT CAN
NEVER BE DEVELOPED.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO
REMAIN THAT WAY.
WHETHER THIS IS A SCAM FOR SOME
UNKNOWING BUYER OR WHETHER
THERE'S REALLY A PLAN TO DEVELOP
THIS ISLAND, I WANT THIS COUNCIL
AND STAFF TO BE AWARE THAT THIS
IS BEING TALKED ABOUT AND THAT
IT IS A RISK FOR OUR LAGOON.
AND WE COULD NOT POSSIBLY
SUSTAIN A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT ON
THAT PARTICULAR SPOIL ISLAND.
SO I HOPE THAT YOU'LL AT LEAST
BE AWARE AND DO YOUR RESEARCH TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE
AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET AHEAD
OF THAT.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU.
>> WHERE'S THE ISLAND?
>> Mayor Owen: JUST SOUTH OF
INLET SHORES.
>> RATTLESNAKE?
>> Mayor Owen: YOU HAVE TO GO
THROUGH A PARK.
>> THERE'S A LONG HISTORY THERE.
>> Mayor Owen: IT'S OUT THERE ON
SOCIAL MEDIA.
A LOT OF TRACTION.
>> WE ARE AWARE OF IT.
THE ISLAND IS FUTURE LAND USE
CONSERVATION, ZONED
CONSERVATION, ALMOST ENTIRELY
WETLANDS, FLOODPLAIN, NO PUBLIC
ACCESS, HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE
CHALLENGES, REGULATORY
CHALLENGES, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES
TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S
UNBUILDABLE.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES
THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO
OVERCOME.
>> Mayor Owen: AND IT WOULD
REQUIRE A LOT OF APPROVAL FROM
THIS DAIS.
>> OUR CITY AS WEL FOR
SALE FOR 8 MILLION.
THAT IS A FACT THAT I'VE SEEN.
>> A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
IT HAS BEEN OWNED.
SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT IT
DEVELOPING FOR MANY DECADES.
NEVER HAPPENED.
NEVER GOT TO FIRST BASE.
I WOULDN'T BE TOO CONCERNED
ABOUT IT UNLESS SOMEONE KNOWS
THE GOVERNOR REALLY WELL.
WHO KNOWS.
IT'S BEEN OUT THERE A LONG TIME.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD
GET TOO WORRIED ABOUT.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
>> MR. MAYOR?
>> Mayor Owen: YES.
>> I WAS OF THE UNDERSTANDING
THAT MOST OF THAT SPOIL AREA AND
MANGROVE MARSH IS PROTECTED
UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE FISH
AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION.
I'VE BEEN TOLD BY
REPRESENTATIVES THAT ALL OF
THOSE LANDS ARE PROTECTED AND
UNDER CONSERVATION.
IT WAS KIND OF SCARY NEWS FOR ME
TO UNDERSTAND -- ARE WE TALKING
ABOUT RATTLESNAKE ISLAND?
>> NO.
YOU KNOW WHERE THE PARK IN INLET
SHORES IS?
>> YES.
>> Mayor Owen: RIGHT ACROSS.
>> IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM
THERE.
IT'S A NAVIGABLE WATERWAY.
YOU WOULD NEED A -- THERE'S 100
REASONS IT HASN'T BEEN BUILT.
AND OVER TIME IT ONLY GETS MORE
DIFFICULT TO BUILD, NOT EASIER.
THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T DONE
DECADES AGO IS A GOOD INDICATION
IT'S A PIPE DREAM RIGHT NOW.
AND FLORIDA LAND OWNERS HAVE A
LONG HISTORY OF SELLING PEOPLE
SWAMPLAND THAT'S NOT WORTH
ANYTHING.
I WOULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT
IT.
>> IT IS CURRENTLY OWNED.
>> Mayor Owen: PRIVATELY OWNED.
IT CAN BE YOURS FOR $6 MILLION.
ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NO OTHER CUES UP, WE'RE
GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION AND MOVE ON TO THE
CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM 6.
18 ITEMS.
GENTLEMEN, I RARELY PULL STUFF
BUT I HAD THREE I WANT TO TALK
THROUGH, B, C AND L.
VICE MAYOR WE'LL START WITH YOU.
ANY OTHERS YOU WOULD LIKE TO
PULL.
>> Commissioner Kolody: I WAS
GOING TO PULL L, I'M GLAD TO SEE
THAT'S COVERED.
THAT'S IT.
>> Mayor Owen: JAKE,
COMMISSIONER SACHS?
>> Commissioner Sachs: NOT
TONIGHT.
>> NO.
>> Commissioner Hartman: I.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE
ALL BUT THOSE TREE.
>> Mayor Owen: THAT WAS FOUR.
>> SECOND.
>> Mayor Owen: CONSENT AGENDA TO
APPROVE ALL ITEMS EXCEPT FOR B,
C, I AND L.
HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL.
[ ROLL CALL ]
>> Mayor Owen: MY DISCUSSION
POINT ON B AND C, THIS IS
COMBINED AND I'LL GIVE KHALID A
MINUTE.
I SENT HIM AN E-MAIL BEFORE I
JUST HAPPENED TO SEE -- THIS IS
NITPICKY.
BUT WE'RE ADDING -- IT WITH US
AN UPGRADE CHARGE, A COUPLE
THOUSAND AGGREGATE FOR AM/FM
RADIOS AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE
NEEDED THAT OR IF IT WAS A
LUXURY.
I WAS GOING TO CHALLENGE STAFF
TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT WHETHER
WE NEEDED ALL OF THE ANCILLARY
UPGRADES SO IF WE COULD SAVE A
FEW BUCK TO PAY FOR THE BLUE
COMMUNITY THING WE JUST
APPROVED.
I WILL APPROVE THIS AS WRITTEN
BUT I WANT STAFF TO TAKE A HARD
LOOK TO SEE IF WE TRULY NEED ALL
OF THE ANCILLARY ITEMS THAT ARE
ADDED IN.
THAT IS MY COMMENTS ON B AND C.
>> ON THAT NOTE, I WAS AT THE
UTILITIES COMMISSION MEETING AND
THEY'RE GOING FORWARD WITH A
PROGRAM WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT
ALL OF THEIR VEHICLES AND
THEY'RE GOING THE DESIGN THEM OR
PURCHASE THEM ALL EXACTLY THE
SAME WAY, INCLUDING THE RED SEAT
BELTS WHICH IS AN INDICATOR OF
WHETHER YOU HAVE THE SEAT BELT
ON OR OFF.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
MAY BE GOING FORWARD, WE MAY
NEED TO LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY IF
WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A JOINT
VENTURE.
IT MAY HELP.
>> Mayor Owen: VEHICLES I AGREE.
THESE ARE TWO SPECIALIZED
EQUIPMENT, CAUGHT MY EYE, AM/FM
RADIO ON A MOWER.
DO I HAVE A MOTION ON B AND C?
>> SECOND.
>> Commissioner Kolody: A
COMMENT THAT THE STAFF WILL BE
LOOKING AT IT.
>> Mayor Owen: THAT'S THE
CHALLENGE.
I'LL DEFER TO THEM IF THERE'S
SOME REASON THAT WE NEED IT.
I HATE TO BE THE GRINCH AT THE
TIME OF THE YEAR.
IT'S CITIZENS' MONEY.
CITY CLERK IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL ON B AND C.
[ ROLL CALL ]
>> Mayor Owen: I, WHO PULLED
THAT ONE?
COMMISSIONER HARTMAN.
>> Commissioner Hartman: ON THIS
I DIDN'T SEE THE BID F FROM C
CANDOCK.
>> CARRIE HAS A COPY OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WASN'T
ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA PACKET.
>> Attorney Avallone: I MATCHES.
>> Commissioner Hartman: BUT SIT
APPLES AND APPLES, COMPARABLE?
>> YES.
THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE WAS
PROBABLY $10,000 DIFFERENCE AND
HE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL
HARDWARE THAT THE OTHER TWO
COMPANIES DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED.
>> Commissioner Hartman: OKAY.
AND IT IS PORTABLE?
HAVE WE ESTABLISHED IT NOW AT
THE MARINA?
THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY ASSEMBLE IT OFF SITE AND
HAUL IT IN.
IT IS MOVABLE ONCE WE ATTACH IT
TO THE PILINGS, WE CAN MOVE IT
TO ANOTHER SITE IF NEEDED.
>> Commissioner Hartman: MOTION
TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND.
>> Mayor Owen: ANY OTHER
DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM?
>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE
CHIEF.
WHAT WILL BE THE LOCATION,
PRIMARY LOCATION?
>> SLIP NUMBER 6 AT THE CITY
MARINA IS THE IDEAL SITE.
>> VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: HAD A MOTION AND
A SECOND.
CITY CLERK IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL ON ITEM I.
[ ROLL CALL ]
>> Mayor Owen: ITEM L, VICE
MAYOR YOU WANTED TO PULL THIS.
I'LL DEFER TO YOU.
>> Commissioner Kolody: THE
APPROVAL TO INTRODO THE CONTRACT
FOR THE PURCHASES OF THE
MATERIAL AS SERVICES I HAVE NO
DIFFICULTY WITH WHATSOEVER.
I DO HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH THE
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION THAT
CAME FROM THE ENGINEERING
DEPARTMENT AND THE DISTRIBUTION
OF HOW THE ROADS WILL BE PAVED.
THE MEMO WAS WELL-WRITTEN.
BRINGS OUT GOOD POSITIVE FACTS
AND ALLUDES TO THE FACT THAT
WHEN YOU GROUP ALL ROADS
TOGETHER YOU GET A BETTER
PURCHASE PRICE.
UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT
APPLICABLE BECAUSE THIS HAS
ALREADY BEEN BID AND WE COULD
DESIGNATE ROADS ANYWHERE AND
THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO COME AND
PAVE THEM.
IF WE EVER DECIDE TO BID
OURSELVES, WHICH I DON'T THINK
WE SHOULD, THEN IT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE TO BUNCH THEM
TOGETHER.
SO TAKING THAT OUT, THE SECOND
PART THAT I HAVE DIFFICULTY
WITH, IT MENTIONS THAT THERE'S
GOING TO BE A TWO-YEAR PROGRAM
WHERE THEY'VE SELECTED TWO
CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE
ALL OF THE PAVING WOULD GO.
I FIND THAT THAT IS -- I HATE TO
USE THE WORD BUT DISCRIMINATORY
TO THE OTHER DISTRICTS.
THE COMMISSIONERS SHOULD HAVE
INPUT INTO WHERE THE ROAD PAVING
PROJECTSES ARE.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THE TOWN
ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT AND
DEVELOPED A SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS
OF THE EXPECTED LIFE OF ALL OF
THE ROADS AND CHARACTERIZED THEM
AS TO WHICH ONES SHOULD BE DONE.
NOW WE DID HAVE A GROUP OF
PEOPLE COME HERE AND ASK THAT
THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BE PAVED,
WHICH IS WELL OVER $100,000.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY
DIFFICULTY WITH THAT EXCEPT FOR
THE FACT THAT THEIR ROADS ARE
LESS APPROPRIATE TO BE PAVED
THAN A NUMBER OF OTHERS.
IN MY DISTRICT WE ALSO CAME
FORWARD WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE
WHO PRESENTED INFORMATION TO THE
COMMISSION THAT THEY WANTED
THEIR ROADS PAVED.
THEIR ROADS ARE ACTUALLY IN
WORSE CONDITION THAN THE ONES
WE'RE APPROVING NOW.
I THINK THAT EACH COMMISSIONER
AND THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE THE
RIGHT TO PROMOTE ROADS IN THEIR
DISTRICT THAT CONFORM TO ROADS
THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE STUDY THAT
WAS COMPLETED.
I DON'T HAVE REAL DIFFICULTY
WITH THIS HERE.
BUT NEXT YEAR I WOULD LIKE TO
TOSEE A MORE UNBIASED APPROACH O
WHERE WE DO CONSIDER OUR PAVING.
I WON'T VOTE FOR THIS IF THIS
INCLUDES ANY TYPE OF CONSIDER
WHERE WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE A
SECOND GROUP OF ROADS IN ONE
SPECIFIC AREA.
I DO APPROVE OF ENTERING INTO
THE CONTRACT BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD
CONTRACT.
WE HAVE THE MONIES AVAILABLE AND
WE SHOULD SPEND THEM.
I HOPE I MADE MYSELF CLEAR.
WE HAVE ENGINEERING REASONS TO
PAVE ROADS AND WE HAVE POLITICAL
REASONS.
AND WE WERE ELECTED POLITICALLY.
I DO THINK WE SHOULD HAVE INPUT
FROM OUR RESIDENTS.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
>> IF I MAY.
>> Mayor Owen: YES.
I AGREE WITH YOU IN THIS WAY.
THE ROADS -- WE HIRED A FIRM, WE
WENT FROM WHAT YOU'RE
DESCRIBING, THE CITY STAFF WOULD
GO OUT THERE AND WE TRIED TO
FIND A MORE FAIR INDEPENDENT WAY
TO EVALUATE THE ROADS.
NOW THE TWO ROADS FOR THE PEOPLE
WHO CAME AND SIGNED THE
PETITION, MY PROBLEM WAS WHOEVER
ANALYZED THOSE ROADS AND RANKED
THEM FROM THE FIRM THAT WAS
HIRED THERE'S IN WAY IT WAS
ACCURATE BECAUSE THERE WERE MANY
ROADS ON THE LIST THAT WERE IN
GREAT SHAPED COMPARED TO THE
ROADS THAT WERE COMPLAINED
ABOUT.
THE TWO ROADS COMPLAINED ABOUT
WERE NOT EVEN ON THE SIX-YEAR
PLAN.
AND WE'RE PAVING ROADS THAT WERE
CLEARLY NOT IN WORST CONDITION.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU THAT
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE
DIFFERENTLY.
BECAUSE THAT WAS A SHINING
EXAMPLE, IN MY OPINION, OF HOW
THAT DID NOT WORK.
>> Commissioner Kolody: IF I
JUST MIGHT RESPOND TO THAT.
I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.
AND IF THERE ARE CERTAIN ROADS
THAT NEED TO BE DONE, THAT
COMMISSIONER FROM THAT DISTRICT
CAN CERTAINLY PROPOSE THEM AND
HAVE THEM DONE.
I THINK THAT'S FINE.
SO LET HALF OF THE ROADS BE THE
ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S
DECISION AND THE OTHER HALF THEY
SHOULD ACCEPT INPUT FROM THE
COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR ZONES.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
>> I'LL DISAGREE WITH BOTH OF
YOU BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN
ROADS ON THE WEST SIDE THAT HAVE
BEEN SLATED TO BE REPAVED FOR
THE LAST TEN YEARS AND NEVER
BEEN REPAVED.
IT OPEN AN ONGOING ISSUE ON THE
WEST SIDE BUT IT KEEPS GETTING
PUSHED BACK.
I THOUGHT WHEN WE ALL AGREED,
THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION, TO HAVE
THIS ROAD STUDY DONE, THEY WERE
GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE ROAD
CONDITIONING INCLUDING THE BASE
PART OF THE ROAD AND THEY WOULD
MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
I WOULD TRULY SUPPORT FOLLOWING
THAT STUDY AND DOING THE ROADS
IN THE ORDER IN WHICH ARE THE
WORST, ACCORDING TO THEM, AND
NENEED IT.
NOW IN YOUR CASE MAYBE THEY
HISSED SOMETHING WE COULD GO OUT
AND REEVALUATE.
I DON'T HAVE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
PAVING ALLEYWAYS.
WE'RE SPENDING THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS TO PAVE AN ALLEYWAY THAT
BENEFIT AS SMALL NUMBER OF
PEOPLE.
I THINK ALLEYWAYS NEED TO BE
RE-EVALUATED.
AND YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY DOESN'T
NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP TO THE
SAME STANDARD AS, YOU KNOW,
MAGNOLIA OR 4th STREET OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE IT IS SIMPLY JUST A
DRIVEWAY.
GOING FORWARD I THINK ALL OF
THOSE THINGS KIND OF NEED TO BE
LOOKED AT AS WE MOVE INTO THE
NEXT YEAR.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
SO I PULLED THE ITEM.
ATHE WHOLE CITY IS MY ZONE.
FOR ME IT'S -- I LIKE THE NOTIO.
THERE CAN BE POLITICS AT PLAY
HERE AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BUT
IT'S REALITY.
I LIKED THE DATA DRIVEN
APPROACH.
IF WE FIND THAT WE DISAGREE, WE
GO BACK AND EVALUATE WHAT WENT
WRONG, WORK WITH THE EXPERTS AND
THE EQUIPMENT AND WE SAY, LET'S
LOOK AT THIS VERSUS THAT, AND
HAVE IT EXPLAINED TO US WHY, YOU
KNOW, FROM OUR, YOU KNOW -- I'M
NO EXPERT ON THIS, SO FROM OUR
NONEXPERT OPINION, WHY DO OUR
EYES DECEIVE US WITH WHAT WE'RE
SEEING OF, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE X
VERSUS Y, YOU KNOW, IN THIS.
BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE US DO
THAT AND HAVE THAT HARD
CONVERSATION WITH THE EXPERTS
AND THE ENGINEERS RATHER THAN --
I THINK IF WE START DOWN THIS
PATH WE WILL VERY SHORTLY -- WE
MIGHT AS WELL THROW THIS AWAY
AND ALL OF THIS WORK AND THE
MONEY SPENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME BACK
TO THIS PROCESS OF WHO FILLED
THE CHAMBER UP MORE, THE ROAD
GETS PAVED.
AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO
APPROACH THIS TO ME.
THAT'S A WAY.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHOULDN'T BE
POSSIBLY A FACTOR TO CAUSE US TO
DOUBLE-CHECK THE ENGINEERING, TO
DOUBLE-CHECK THE EXPERTS.
BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I SEE US -- I THINK WE'RE
RESPONDING TO SOME -- I THINK
WE'RE RESPONDING EMOTIONALLY AND
I WOULD RATHER SEE US STICK TO
THE DATA AND TAKE THE EMOTIONS
OUT OF IT.
IF WE THINK THE DATA IS
INCORRECT, LET'S CHALLENGE THE
DATA SOURCE AND CHALLENGE STAFF
TO CHALLENGE THE DATA SOURCE.
AS IT IS, I LOOK AT THIS AND I
SEE STARTING -- AND I DON'T HAVE
ROAD NUMBERS ON HERE.
BUT STARTING SOMEWHERE AROUND,
YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM OF THIS,
I'VE GOT 42% OF THE BUDGET IS ON
ITEMS THAT HAVE A PCI OR A
PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX OF, YOU
KNOW, IN THE 50 OR ABOVE.
AND WE'RE SKIPPING OVER -- I'VE
GOT THREE PAGES, FOUR PAGES
BEFORE WE GET UP TO PROJECTS
THAT WERE 50.
SO I WENT AND DROVE, YOU KNOW,
THESE ROADS, THIS PARTICULAR
SECTION.
I'M NOT EXPERT BY ANY STRETCH
BUT THEY DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THEY
WERE TERRIBLE TO ME.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO ROLLER BLADE
ON THEM.
THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I THINK WE SANCTIONED THIS,
PREVIOUS COMMISSION SANCTIONED
THIS FOR A REASON AND I'M AFRAID
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE AWAY FROM
THAT.
SO I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO GET
MOVING ON THIS.
SO I CAN SUPPORT IT TONIGHT BUT
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CHECK
OURSELVES AND NOT GET BACK TO
THIS BEING A SQUEAKY WHEEL
SYSTEM OF CHOOSING WHICH ROADS
TO PAVE.
>> MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY, IS THERE
AN ASSERTION HERE THAT THIS DATA
IS POLITICAL OR BIAS?
>> Mayor Owen: NO.
I THINK THE ASSERTION IS THAT
THE DATA DOESN'T JIVE WITH WHAT
WE SEE WHEN WE PUT BOOTS ON THE
GROUND OR WHAT RESIDENTS SEE.
WE'VE TAKEN A DATA-DRIVEN
APPROACH BUT WE'VE INCORPORATED
FEEDBACK INTO THAT BASED ON
GROUPS THAT KIM OUT,
COMMISSIONERS PRESENCE IN THE
AREA.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE WRONG
THING TO DO, IF THAT'S THE
APPROACH WE WANT TO TAKE.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CHALLENGE
THE DATA, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT
GET ANOTHER CUT AT THE DATA.
HAVE THE EXPERT STAND HERE AND
EXPLAIN TO US THAT WHY WHAT WE
SEE AS A CONDITION 79 ROAD
ACCORDING TO THEM FEELS TO US
LIKE A CONDITION 40 ROAD THAT WE
SHOULD BE REPLACING, BECAUSE
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
WE'VE ELEVATED UP CERTAIN ROADS
TO THIS YEAR THAT WOULDN'T HAVE
BEEN REPAVED, ACCORDING TO THE
EXPERTS, FOR -- THAT WEREN'T
EVEN ON THE LONG-RANGE PLAN AT
THIS POINT.
THEY WEREN'T WITHIN FIVE OR SIX
YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
>>
>> Commissioner McGuirk: I
AGREE.
I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK WE NEED
TO THROW OUT THE DATA.
I THINK WE NEED TO STICK WITH IT
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS
ON ONE OF THE ITEMS WHICH IS HOW
COME WE'RE SEEING SOMETHING
THAT'S NOT REFLECTIVE ON THE
DATA.
AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE
STREETS ARE DONE WITH DIFFERENT
KINDS OF MATERIAL.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS
FACTORED IN.
THERE COULD BE A LOT THERE.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT ADVOCATING
THAT WE THROW OUT THE DATA BUT
WE CERTAINLY NEED TO WORK ON IT.
DARE I SAY WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT
THURSDAY, WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO
SAY BECAUSE WE'VE SAID THAT WITH
EVERYTHING.
WE'RE STOCKED UP ON THURSDAY.
BUT I THINK GOING INTO NEXT YEAR
WE SHOULD CERTAINLY PRIORITIZE
IT AND CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT IT
IN RELATION TO OUR BUDGET.
>> Mayor Owen: QUESTION FOR
STAFF, IS THIS -- HOW OFTEN DO
THEY GO BACK THROUGH AND DO THIS
CONDITION INDEX?
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE
SIGNED UP FOR AN ANNUAL RENEWAL
OF THIS OR IS THIS A ONE-TIME.
>> THE STUDY YOU HAVE IS ONE
SHOT.
YOU DON'T GO AND REVISIT.
OUR STAFF COULD GO OUT AND TAKE
A LOOK AT THE LIST THAT IS
COMING AND YOU MIGHT HAVE --
SOMETIMES YOU FIND OUT THAT SOME
ROADS ARE ACTUALLY IN A WORSE
CONDITION THAN WHAT WAS
INITIALLY LISTED ON THE LIST.
BUT THIS LIST IS THE CONSULTANT
WILL DO IT ONE TIME.
HE'S NOT GOING TO COME BACK AT
NO COST.
>> Mayor Owen: WE DON'T HAVE AN
ANNUAL AGREEMENT WHERE WE KEEP
IT UP TO DATE.
>> Commissioner Kolody: I DO
HAVE THE REPORT AND I'VE READ
IT.
BEING THIS WAS MY LINE OF WORK
FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, THE DATA
IS PRETTY GOOD IN IT.
I DON'T DISPUTE THE DATA.
IT DOES RECOMMEND IN THE REPORT
EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS THAT
IT BE UPDATED.
BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT'S THE
CONSULTANT WHO PREPARED THE
REPORT WHO IS SUGGESTING THAT
AND I THINK WE'RE CAPABLE OF
LOOKING AT THAT IN-HOUSE.
WHAT OUR REAL PROBLEM IS, WE'RE
NOT TALKING ABOUT USING ROADS --
REPLACING ROADS WITH A 40 INDEX
WITH ONE THAT HAS 70 INDEX.
WHAT THE REALITY IS, THERE ARE
SO MANY ROADS THAT ARE SO CLOSE
TOGETHER AND THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS
THAT WERE EXPENDING, EVEN THOUGH
WE'VE INCREASED IT SO MUCH, THAT
A ROAD THAT MIGHT HAVE AN INDEX
OF 40 IS, AS I LOOKED AT THE
ONES THAT WAS REQUESTED, THEY
MIGHT BE $4 MILLION DOWN THE
ROAD.
SO I THINK STAYING WITHIN THE
PARAMETERS OF THIS REPORT, USING
THE NUMBERS THAT THEY'VE
SUGGESTED FOR THE CPI IS THAT
MAYBE WE COULD HAVE SOME INPUT
AS TO WHICH ONE OF THOSE IN THAT
SAME CATEGORY CAN BE PAVED.
I DON'T WANT TO THROW THIS DATA
AWAY.
IT'S VERY GOOD.
>> Mayor Owen: JUST FOR CLARITY,
THERE'S BEEN INPUT OBVIOUSLY
THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 42%
OF THE BUDGET, WE PULLED
PROJECTS THAT WEREN'T ON THE
LIST AND THEY'RE NOW ON THE LIST
FOR THIS YEAR.
THERE HAS BEEN INPUT.
I DON'T KNOW -- IT HASN'T
BEEN -- I THINK WE SHOULD -- IF
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT
APPROACH, WE NEED TO FORMALIZE
THAT APPROACH.
THERE'S SOME PRO RATA, A CERTAIN
PERCENT OF THE BUDGET SET ASIDE.
WE CAN THROW THE DATA OUT AND
ACCELERATE ISSUES FROM THE BOOTS
ON THE GROUND OR HOW WE WANT TO
TAKE THAT APPROACH.
>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR
STAFF.
THE CONTRACT WITH THE PAVERS.
HOW LONG IS THAT VALID FOR?
>> IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTRACT
WITH THE COUNTY.
WE'RE PIGGYBACKING WITH THE
COUNTY.
>> IT WAS IN THE REPORT.
I DON'T RECALL WHAT IT IS.
>> IT'S A YEARLY CONTRACT, ISN'T
IT, DAVID?
>> THE COUNTY IS GOING OUT TO
BID IN FEBRUARY.
THESE PRICES FOR ALL OF THIS IS
GOOD FLE THROUGH THE BEGINNING F
FEBRUARY AND THEN THE COUNTY IS
GOING BACK OUT TO BID.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BUT
I DIDN'T WANT TO MISQUOTE.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IS THAT
WE AUTHORIZE STAFF TO GO OUT AND
ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE
PAVER AT THIS TIME AND THAT WE
COME BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE
EXACT ROADS WE DO WANT TO PAVE
UNDERSTANDING THERE IS A
DEADLINE TO COME UP WITH THAT.
BUT I DON'T RECALL WHEN YOU HAVE
TO HAVE THE WORK COMPLETED BY IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONTRACT.
>> WE HAVE TO HAVE A P.O. AND AN
AGREEMENT WITH THE COMPANY PRIOR
TO THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT
EXPIRING.
JUST ONE MORE THING FOR YOU.
THERE IS A BREAK IN THE
PRICING -- PART OF THE REASON
WHY A LOT OF THE ROADS ARE CLOSE
TOGETHER IS THERE IS A BREAK ON
THE TONNAGE AND THE MILLING THAT
WE WOULD BE CHARGED IF THE ROADS
ARE WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT AWAY
FROM EACH OTHER.
SO THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT LOWER
COST BY DOING IT THAT WAY.
>> Commissioner Kolody: I
DEPARTMENT SEE THAT IN THE
CONTRACT BUT I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD
FOR IT.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION,
THAT WE ENTER INTO A CONTRACT
AND WE KIND OF FINALIZE THIS
AMOUNT, WHICH ROADS WE WANT TO
HAVE ON THE LIST SOON.
>> Mayor Owen: SO I WOULD --
YEAH.
THIS IS LIKE THE THIRD TIME THIS
HAS COME TO US.
I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY KEEP
OPENING IT UP.
I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IT TO
BED.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE US MOVING
AWAY FROM THE DATA.
WHERE WE'VE LANDED ON THIS IS TO
THE TUNE OF 42% OF OUR 700,000
OR SO I THINK WE'VE SHIFTED AWAY
FROM THE DATA.
THAT'S AN ALARMING TREND.
BUT YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER -- I'D
LIKE TO SEE IT RESOLVE IT AND
MOVE ON.
WE CAN'T KEEP REVISITING ISSUES.
THAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE
COMMISSION.
JUST MY TWO CENTS.
>> Commissioner McGuirk: I'M
INTERESTED IN TAKING A LOOK AT
IT, NOT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A KNEE JERK
DECISION ON WHAT WE THINK WE
SHOULD BE DOING ON THIS.
THAT'S MY CONCERN.
WE'VE TASKED STAFF WITH ALL
KINDS OF STUFF.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE
HAVE TO GET DONE.
AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS AS AN
ISSUE AND I THINK THAT IT'S UP
TO US SOMETIME NEXT YEAR TO
DETERMINE HOW WE WANT TO DO THIS
AND THAT'S WHY I TIED IT TO THE
DISCUSSION FOR NEXT YEAR'S
BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
BECAUSE IF WE HIRE PEOPLE, IF WE
HAVE TO REDO ANYTHING, LET'S
DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE GOING
FORWARD.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO STOP OR MAKE
ANY KNEE JERK REACTIONS ON
ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, TONIGHT.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM L?
>> MOVE TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND.
>> Mayor Owen: I HAVE A MOTION
TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED IN THE
AGENDA AND A SECOND.
CITY CLERK IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL, PLEASE.
[ ROLL CALL ]
>> Mayor Owen: ITEM L IS
APPROVED.
I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO A LIVELY
DISCUSSION ON THAT NEXT TIME
THROUGH.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT CLEARS UP ALL OF THE
CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT?
I DIDN'T MISS ANY?
OKAY.
NEXT ITEM UP, ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN
UPDATE.
A THANK YOU STAFF.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS IF WE DON'T SEE
YOU.
NEXT ITEM UP, 7A.
>> Commissioner Kolody: MAYOR
THE FIRST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO THE
COMMISSION IN 2010.
THERE WAS AN UPDATE IN 2016 THAT
WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY
COMMISSION.
THIS IS THE SECONDUP DATE.
IT WAS APPROVED AT THE
NOVEMBER 20 MEETING THE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD.
THE ONE VOTE TOLD ME HE HAD NO
OBJECTION TO THE CONTENT OF THE
PLAN BUT WANTED MORE WORK ON
PRIORITIES, RECOMMENDATIONS ON
ITEMS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND
LARGE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE
SUPPORTED.
THE PLAN HAS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT THAN THE LA LAST UPDA.
THE ACTION PLAN, THE MEAT OF THE
PLAN GOING FORWARD, IS DIVIDED
UP THIS TIME INTO ITEMS ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT STAFF WOULD DO AND
THEN WHAT OTHER CITY STAFF WOULD
DO AND OTHER AGENCIES WOULD BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR.
IN MY ESTIMATION THE MOST
IMPORTANT ITEMS ARE WHAT WE
TALKED ABOUT AT THE CRA MEETING,
THE RESOLUTION AND THE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
THE FOCUS ON U.S. 1 IS AND THE
NEED FOR AN OVERLAY DISTRICT
THAT WILL ALIGN OUR LAND
DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO THE
COMMUNITY MARKET CONDITIONS AND
WHAT U.S. 1 CAN BE.
THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
SUSTAINABILITY.
THE EXPANSION AND ATTRACTION.
THE FUTURE -- CITY MANAGER
TALKED TO ME ABOUT BUSINESS
PARK.
AND THEN OUR PARTICIPATION IN
THE SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA
MANUFACTURING AND TECHNOLOGY
COALITION AND SUPPORT FOR
ENTREPRENEURS.
JUST WITHIN THE LAST MONTH I'VE
HAD FOUR DIFFERENT PEOPLE TALK
TO ME ABOUT WANTING TO TALK A
COWORKSPACE.
AND ANOTHER PERSON FORMALIZATION
OF A MAKER SPACE.
THOSE ARE VERY EXCITING THINGS
FOR OUR CORE AND REALLY SPEAK TO
OUR SIGNATURE.
SO ONE OF THE LAST SENTENCES IN
THE PLAN IS THAT WE NEED TO
FOCUS ON CONTINUING TO CRAFT THE
NEW SMYRNA BEACH BUSINESS
CLIMATE TO SUPPORT OUR SMALL
BUSINESSES, REDEVELOP U.S. 1 AND
ATTRACT NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE
THE RIGHT FIT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WITH THAT I'M CONVEYING TO
YOU THIS IS A PLAN THAT THE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD
RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
I'M READY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS.
>> Mayor Owen: ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS?
>> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION BUT I
HAVE A COMMENT.
TONY YOU AND I TALKED ONCE
BEFORE ABOUT TAKING THE
BUSINESSES THAT ARE STILL IN
UNCORPORATED VOLUSIA COUNTY THAT
ARE WITHIN THE CITY'S ISB AND
SEEING ABOUT ANNEXATION INTO THE
CITY.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF CONSEQUENCES
THAT COME FORTH WITH THAT.
YOU GET YOUR ADDITIONAL 175
FUNDING, POSSIBLE 185 FUNDING
FOR PENSIONS.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS INVOLVED
NOT JUST WITH THE AD VALOREM TAX
BUT A LOT OF BUSINESSES.
IN THE COUNTY PAYING COUNTY
TAXES AND NOT ACTUALLY IN THE
CITY OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH.
I HOPE YOUR GROUP WOULD TAKE A
LOOK AT THAT.
I KNOW A COUPLE OF THEM -- ONE
OF THEM WAS AT ANNEXATION PND
LAST NIGHT.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE A TREND
GOING FORWARD.
>> OKAY.
YEAH.
WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
>> Mayor Owen: OTHER COMMENTS?
VICE MAYOR, YES.
>> Commissioner Kolody: I READ
THE WHOLE PLAN.
I LIKED IT VERY MUCH EXCEPT I
HAVE ONE DIFFICULTY ON PAGE 46,
WHEN THE COMMENT BASICALLY
ACTUALLY WAS PAVE OVER THE AOB
SITE.
I DO NOT THINK THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BLUE
COMMUNITY AND MAINTAINING OUR
ENVIRONMENT, THAT THAT WOULD BE
A GOOD IDEA.
>> IT WAS TALKING ABOUT
ATTRACTING A MARINA AND THEN
HAVING A PARKING LOT THERE.
>> Commissioner Kolody: YES.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF A
PARKING LOT IN OUR PARK.
>> WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO
BE PAVED.
IT'S USED AS A PARKING LOT NOW.
IT'S NOT PAVED.
>> Commissioner Kolody: PERHAPS
IT WAS A BAD CHOICE OF WORDS
WHEN YOU LITERALLY SAID PAVE
OVER THE AOB SITE.
>> IT DOES SAY PAVE FOR PARKING.
SURE.
>> Mayor Owen: OBVIOUSLY
ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THE AOB
SITE WILL COME BACK US TO FOR
APPROVAL.
>> YES.
>> Mayor Owen: COMMISSIONER
SACHS, COMMENT.
>> Commissioner Sachs: I READ
OVER THEIR ANALYSIS AS WELL.
I NOTICED THEY WERE SUPPORTING A
TROLLEY.
IS THAT RIGHT?
AND WHO WOULD FUND THAT?
WHO WOULD FUND THE TROLLEY?
>> YEAH.
WELL, AGAIN, ANY PROPOSALS ALONG
THAT LINE WOULD HAVE TO COME
BACK HERE.
BUT THERE IS INTEREST IN THAT AS
A RELIEF FOR THE PARKING
CAPACITY PROBLEMS ON FLAGLER.
>> Commissioner Sachs: AND
TROLLEY TO WHERE THEN?
IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.
>> BETWEEN CANAL AND FLAGLER ON
THE CAUSEWAY.
>> Commissioner Sachs: THERE
STILL BEGS THE QUESTION WHERE DO
WE PARK, PEOPLE WHO WISH TO
TROLLEY BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN
CANAL.
>> THAT WAS A COMMENT ON THE AOB
SITE AS WELL AS THE CANAL STREET
AREA.
>> AM I CORRECT THAT THE TALK OF
PAVING AT THE AOB, WASN'T IT FOR
ADDITIONAL TRUCK/TRAILER PARKING
FOR A FEW MORE BOATS AND THAT
WAS THE ONLY FUTURE THAT HAD
BEEN DISCUSSED WHERE THEY WERE
TALKING ABOUT MORE PAVING FOR --
MORE PARKING FOR GENERAL
PURPOSES, NOT JUST THE AOB?
>> I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK
THAT SPECIFIC.
BUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS,
FIRST OF ALL, LEASING THE
PROPERTY FOR A MARINA
DEVELOPMENT WHICH WOULD BE A
PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN HAVING THAT A PART --
AND THEN LARGE PARKING AREA AS A
STOP FOR A SHUTTLE/TROLLEY.
.>> I WON'T RESERVE MY FEELINGS
ON THAT.
I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH PUTTING
IN A MARINA WITH WHO KNOWS HOW
MANY SLIPS.
WE'RE TAKING AWAY WHAT WE CALLED
A TEMPORARY PARK.
DID I HEAR THAT SAY?
OR ARE WE GOING FORWARD WITH
PLANS TO MAKE THAT A RECREATION
AREA.
>> Mayor Owen: AT THE AOB SITE?
>> Commissioner Sachs: YES.
>> Mayor Owen: I DON'T THINK
THIS COMMISSION HAS GIVEN STAFF
PERMANENT DIRECTION.
WHAT WE DID AGREE TO WAS
SPENDING A SMALL INVESTMENT TO
CLEAN THE PLACE UP.
WE'RE IN THE THROES OF DOING
THAT.
THEY'VE GOT THE SHADE STRUCTURES
UP, WORKING ON THE PARKING.
SO I THINK THE LONG TERM VISION
FOR THE AOB IS NOT NECESSARILY
DETERMINED BY THE
RECOMMENDATIONS MADE IN THIS
PLAN.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS --
HAS POTENTIAL ECONOMIC IMPACT IF
WE WERE TO CHOOSE A PARTICULAR
ROUTE.
IT WOULD BE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHY IT SHOWS UP HERE IN
THAT MANNER.
OBVIOUSLY AGAIN THAT WOULD BE UP
FOR US TO PUT ON AS AN RFP IF WE
WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE WHICH I
THINK WE'VE MADE OUR THOUGHT
CLEAR ON THAT.
>> ONE OTHER ISSUE THAT WAS
CONCERNING IS THAT EDAB ALSO
SUPPORTS THE MONIES FOR PRIVATE
FACADES AND BUILDING
IMPROVEMENTS FOR PRIVATE
ENTITIES.
THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION I WOULD
LIKE TO GO WITH CRA FUNDS.
JUST FOR THE RECORD.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
SO, YEAH, ON THE PARKING
SPECIFICALLY, ITEM THREE ON
HERE, 702 IN THE PACKAGE, YOU
KNOW, WE'VE TASKED STAFF WITH
LOOKING AT PARKING.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT OUR
HEAD IN THE SAND ON PARKING.
SO SHUTTLE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS,
YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS CAN THE
ECONOMICS WORK ON THAT OR DOES
IT HAVE TO BE THAT WE FUND IT.
TO ME THAT'S AN ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITY.
IF I WERE YOUNG AND AMBITIOUS I
WOULD BE BUYING A COUPLE OF
ELECTRIC CARTS THAT HOLD ABOUT
12 PEOPLE AND EVERY TIME THERE'S
AN EVENT ON FLAGLER I WOULD BE
PARKING PEOPLE AT THE MARINE
DISCOVERY CENTER AND SHUTTLE
THEM DOWN AND DO IT UNTIL THE
CITY SHUT ME DOWN.
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A
YOUNG ENTERPRISING PERSON.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE CITY.
SO THE MAIN THING FOR ME IS, YOU
KNOW, I INVESTED A TON OF TIME
THIS PAST YEAR, ALONG WITH TONY
AND OTHERS, IN INTERFACING WITH
OUR BUSINESS LEADERS IN THIS
COMMUNITY.
I STOOD UP AND TOOK DARTS ONE
WEDNESDAY A MONTH ABOUT
EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING
RIGHT AND A FEW THINGS WE'RE
DOING -- THAT WE CAN DO BETTER
ON.
SO I THINK THIS MAKES HEADWAY
TOWARDS ADDRESSING SOME OF
THOSE.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK
WITH STAFF TO CONTINUE TO
ADDRESS THOSE.
BUT I'M LOOKING FOR ACTION.
I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO KEEP
TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE
THINGS.
I WANT TO HAVE REAL CHANGE AND
HAVE SOME THINGS TO SHOW FOR IT.
SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
INCUBATION SO SPACE, MAKER
SPACE, SHARED WORKSPACE, MAKER
FAIR TYPE THING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GET
ENERGY AROUND THAT AS A
COMMUNITY.
YEAH.
DO I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM A?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO
APPROVE.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> Mayor Owen: CITY CLERK IF
YOU'LL CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
[ ROLL CALL ]
>> Mayor Owen: THANKS, TONY.
I DON'T KNOW IF TONY CAN SING.
MAYBE THAT'S HOW WE SELL OUT THE
BRANDEN CERTAIN.
YOU START DOING CONCERTS.
DISCUSSION TO CONSIDER LAND
DEVELOPMENT REGULARS FOR
FARMER'S MARKET.
>> THE KEY ISSUE HERE IS HOW TO
INTERPRET AN ACCOMMODATE
PREPARED FOODS AND FARMER'S
MARKETS.
STAFF'S RECENT INTERPRETATION OF
PREPARED FOOD, AT LEAST AS
LISTED IN THE LDR IS FOOD THAT
IS PREPARED OFF SITE AND BROUGHT
TO A FARMER'S MARKET FOR SALE IN
A READY TO CONSUME FORMAT.
SIMILAR TO A COTTAGE FOOD
PRODUCT WITH NO FOOD PREPARATION
REQUIRED.
THE STRICTEST INTERPRETATION OF
WHAT PREPARED FOOD IS.
THE CHALLENGE IS THE FARMER'S
MARKET HAS OR HAD FOOD SERVED IN
VARIOUS FORMATS OVER THE YEARS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION
ON THAT.
WE MET WITH THE OPERATOR OF THE
FARMER'S MARKET.
THEY HAVE FOODS THAT MEET THAT
DEFINITION, PREPARED OFF SITE,
BAKED GOODS, CANDIED APPLES,
BROUGHT TO THE FARMER'S MARKET,
READY TO BUY AND EAT ON THE
SPOT.
THAT'S ONE CATEGORY.
ANOTHER CATEGORY FOLKS ARE
MAKING CRAB CAKES AT HOME,
BRINGING THEM TO THE FARMER'S
MARKET AND FRYING THEM OR
HEATING THEM ON SITE AND SERVING
THEM FROM BOOTHS.
ANOTHER CATEGORY MORE RECENTLY
IS THE FOOD TRUCKS.
A COUPLE OF FOOD TRUCKS COME IN
AND THEY COOK BASICALLY FOOD
FROM SCRATCH, BREAKFAST MEALS
AND SO FORTH.
HOW DO WE CORRAL THAT INTO A
POLICY THAT FITS WITH THE
FARMER'S MARKET AND WHAT OUR
VISION IS.
FOOD IS SERVED IN BOOTHS, NOT
FOOD TRUCKS BUT TRAILERS.
MOBILE FOOD OPERATIONS.
SO WE MET WITH INGRID.
WE CAME UP WITH A REQUEST FOR
CONSIDERATION AND THAT IS THE
FOLLOWING.
THAT A FARMER'S MARKET WOULD BE
LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE
MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS OR TRAILERS.
AND THEN SECONDLY THAT A
FARMER'S MARKET SHALL BE LIMITED
TO A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT VENDORS.
KEEP IN MIND THE FARMER'S MARKET
CAN HAVE UP TO 60 HERE.
EIGHT OF THOSE COULD PORE FORM
ON-SITE FOOD PREPARATION,
COOKING, HEATING, COOLING, SOME
TYPE OF FOOD PREP NEEDED TO MAKE
FOOD READY TO CONSUME.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE -- THERE
COULD CONTINUE TO BE IN
LIMITATION ON THE COTTAGE FOOD
PRODUCTS, THE BROWNIES, COOKIES,
BREADS BROUGHT ON SITE.
THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT
REQUIRES LDR TEXT AMENDMENTS.
IF THE COMMISSION IS OPEN TO
THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST
HANDLING THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE
DID WITH THE SANDWICH BOARDS
WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO OPERATE
UNDER THOSE RULES AS THAT --
THOSE TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE
WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE
SYSTEM IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
THAT'S THE OVERVIEW.
HERE TOO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> Mayor Owen: ANY QUESTIONS
FROM STAFF OR COMMENTS ON THIS
ITEM?
>> NOT INCLUDE DECEMBER ALSO?
>> START RIGHT AWAY.
>> Mayor Owen: EFFECTIVE NOW.
YEAH.
YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE FARMER'S
MARKET REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS.
THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
THIS ISN'T GOING TO HINDER
LONG-STANDING VENDORS THAT HAVE
BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS.
WE'RE NOT PULLING THE RUG OUT
FROM ANYBODY.
THIS IS FROM THEM.
>> THIS WAS PER RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> Mayor Owen: DO I HAVE A
MOTION?
>> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
>> SECOND.
>> Mayor Owen: DISCUSSION?
>> YOU SAID KIND OF AND I WANT
TO MAKE SURE YOU, THE FARMER'S
MARKET HAVE WORKED THIS OUT AND
THEY SUPPORT THIS?
>> YES.
SHE'S HERE.
INGRID IS HERE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: ALL RIGHT.
WE HAD A MOTION, HAD A SECOND.
IF NO OTHER DISCUSSION, CITY
CLERK IF YOU WOULD CALL THE
ROLL, PLEASE.
[ ROLL CALL ]
>> Mayor Owen: JUST DON'T TAKE
AWAY MY CRAB CAKES AT FARMER'S
MARKET.
ALL RIGHT.
NEXT ITEM UP.
THANK YOU, INGRID.
APPROVAL OF THE YAUPON BROTHER'S
AMERICAN TEA COMPANY AGREEMENT
ON CITY REPORT.
>> I WANT TO BRO DEUCE BRIAN
WHITE, RETIRED POLICE OFFICER
AND COFOUNDER OF THIS COMPANY,
YAUPON BROTHERS.
BRIAN WAS DRIVING PAST PROPERTY
THAT THE CITY OWNS ON SACHS AND
HAS OFFERED TO SUSTAINABLY
HARVEST LEAVES FOR HIS COMPANY
BUT THEN IN RETURN MANAGE THE
PROPERTY BY MANUALLY REMOVING
INVASIVE SPECIES LIKE BRAZILIAN
PEPPERS.
BRIAN HAS A SHORT VIDEO.
>> IT'S NOT LIKE A PRESENTATION.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> THANKS TONY.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
ADDRESS YOU AND TO ASSURE THAT
PROPOSAL.
I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY --
DRIVE IT WITH THIS?
THERE WE GO.
I WANT TO GO OVER WHAT WE DO AT
YAUPON BROTHERS AND KIND OF AN
OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSAL THAT
WE'VE PUT BEFORE YOU.
SO YAUPON IS A FLORIDA NATIVE
PLANT SPECIES IN THE HOLLY
FAMILY AND THE ONLY CAFFEINATED
PLANT SPECIES NATIVE TO THE
UNITED STATES.
IT HAS VALUE AS COFFEE AND TEA
ALTERNATIVE.
IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE AN
ANTIOXIDANT SUPER FOOD.
IT'S A VERY TOP CONTENDER FOR
ANT OXIDANT.
, LIKE TEA IT'S LOW IN TAN TANNI
INCOMES.
N.
IT CON STAINS STIMULANT
PROPERTIES.
WE MARKET YAUPON AS A TEA
PRODUCT.
I'VE PUT A COMPARISON UP THERE.
BOTH TEA AND YAUPON ARE
CAFFEINATED, CONTAIN A HIGH
LEVEL OF ANTIOXIDANTS.
YAUPON TEA GROWS HERE IN THE
AMERICAN SOUTHEAST.
YAUPON HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT
BEVERAGE TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE
FOR 10,000 YEARS HERE IN
FLORIDA.
AT ONE TIME IT ENJOYED A BROAD
POPULARITY THROUGHOUT THE SOUTH
AND WAS EXPORTED TO OTHER
COUNTRIES AND FADED IN ON
SECURITY.
WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT BACK.
IT'S EASY FOR THE FARMERS TO
GROW AND IT'S SUSTAINABLE.
WE ASK OUR CUSTOMERS WHERE THEIR
TEA COMES FROM.
250,000-TON AS YEAR ARE IMPORTED
INTO THE UNITED STATES.
150 MILLION CUPS A DAY ARE
CONSUMED IN THE U.S. AND 100% OF
THAT TEA IS IMPORTED FROM
SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO ALL OF THAT TEA HAS TO TRAVEL
HERE ON A SHIP FOR 8,000 MILES
WHICH IS NOT VERY SUSTAINABLE.
SO WE WANT TO FIX THAT BY
CREATING A COMEDY OUT OF YAUPON
HOLLY AND WE DO THAT THROUGH A
RESEARCH PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, INSTITUTE
OF FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL
SCIENCE.
A COUPLE OF THE PILLARS OF THAT
SYSTEM IS THAT WE EMPLOY
AMERICAN WORKERS HERE LOCALLY.
WE CREATE ALTERNATIVE CROPS FOR
FLORIDA FAMILIARERS AND IT'S A
NATIVE CROP THAT DOESN'T HARM
THE ENVIRONMENT AND IT CREATES A
TOTALLY TRANSPARENT SUPPLY
CHAIN.
CONTCAN'T REALLY SEE THAT.
THE CURRENT STATE OF THE
BUSINESS, WE ALREADY OWN
12-ACRES INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS
OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH.
THAT'S WHERE WE HARVEST THE
YAUPON HOLLY.
THIS IS A P PICTURE OF THE
HARVESTING AREA.
YOU CAN'T TELL THAT WE HARVEST
YAUPON THERE AND THAT'S THE
POINT.
IT'S NOT DISRUPTIVE TO THE
ECOSYSTEM.
AND THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU IS
67-ACRES, A LITTLE OVER A MILE
IN LENGTH ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE
OF SAXTON THRIVE.
WE'VE HAD THE CITY PARCEL
INSPECTED BY THE USDA AND
APPROVED FOR ORGANIC
CERTIFICATION.
IT'S CERTIFIED ORGANIC AS IS OUR
PROCESSING FACILITY IN
EDGEWATER.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW ONE.
WHAT WE'VE OFFERED IN EXCHANGE
FOR THE YAUPON HARVESTING IS
CONTROL OF INVASIVE FLORA.
ON THE SAXTON PARCEL THE PRIMARY
INVASIVE PLANT SPECIES IS THE
BRAZILIAN PEPPER.
A NASTY TREE THAT'S CAUSED A LOT
OF PROBLEMS IN FLORIDA FOR OVER
150 YEARS.
GOES BY A LOT OF NAMES.
SOME PEOPLE CALL IT FLORIDA
HOLLY.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET RID OF,
EXPENSIVE TO REMOVE AND LABOR
INTENSIVE.
IT REQUIRES A LOT OF WORK TO
REMOVE THE INVASIVE
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER CITY
AREAS SUCH AS HOLLAND PARK THAT 
CONTAIN A LOT OF INVASIVE PLANT 
LIFE SUCH AS CORAL ARDESIA WHICH
IS IN THIS PICTURE HERE.
IT'S UNUSUAL TO FIND IT THIS FAR
SOUTH AND COASTAL BUT WE HAVE A 
LOT OF IT INSIDE THE HOLLAND 
PARK AREA.
SOME OF THESE SPECIES ARE WHAT 
WE'RE GOING TO BE MANUALLY 
REMOVING AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THE
YAUPON HARVESTING.
WE HAVE AN EMPHASIS ON MANUAL 
REMOVAL.
THAT MEANS REMOVING WITHOUT THE 
USE OF SYSTEMIC HERBICIDE 
CHEMICALS, BECAUSE THE ENTIRE 
PARCEL IS CERTIFIED ORGANIC, IT 
PROHIBITS THE USE OF MOST 
SYSTEMIC HERBICIDES UNLESS 
THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE 
AVAILABLE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND REMOVE
THESE PLANT SPECIES, THESE 
INVASIVE PLANT SPECIES WITHOUT 
THE USE OF CHEMICALS.
THIS IS WHERE YOU'LL FIND GROVES
IN GREEN.
BECAUSE OF THAT GEOGRAPHICAL 
ANOMALY OUR YAUPON HERE IS VERY 
SPECIAL.
SO YOU SEE HOW LARGE THE LEAVES 
ARE.
THE AVERAGE YAUPON TREE 
EVERYWHERE ELSE THE LEAVES ARE 
LIKE THE SIZE OF YOUR 
FINGERNAIL.
WE HAVE A REALLY HUGE LEAF 
MORPHOLOGY.
AS FAR AS NATIVE CONSUMPTION 
GOES THIS IS THE HISTORICAL 
CENTER OF YAUPON CULTIVATION, 
AND CONSUMPTION.
SO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THAT LIVED 
HERE, THEY DON'T LIVE HERE 
ANYMORE BUT THEY DID FOR 10,000 
YEARS AND THEY CONSUMED YAUPON 
HOLLY DURING THAT ENTIRE PERIOD.
AND WE GET OUR LEAVES FROM THE 
ATREE INTO A CANISTER, SALABLE 
UNIT WITHIN ABOUT THREE TO FOUR 
DAYS.
UNLIKE YOUR TEA THAT SITS IN A 
SHIP OR WHATEVER FOR MAYBE EIGHT
MONTHS, EVERYTHING IS LOCAL, AND
TRANSPARENT HERE.
AND THOSE ARE OUR PRODUCTS.
AND THAT'S IT.
I'M HERE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS 
YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
ANYTHING TO ADD ON YOUR SIDE?
OR WE ALL READ THE AGREEMENT.
>> 
[SPEAKER OFF MIC]
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
ALL RIGHT ANY QUESTIONS OR 
COMMENTS, DISCUSSION ON THIS 
ITEM?
COMMISSIONERS?
VICE MAYOR?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: I DO 
HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS.
I WOULD LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO 
LIMIT THE HOURS OF YOUR REMOVAL,
AND ALSO RELATING TO THE ISSUE 
OF BOTH THE HARVESTING, AND THE 
OTHER ASPECT OF IT.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE USE OF 
PESTICIDES.
I HEAR YOU SAY THAT THEY CAN 
ONLY BE USED IF THERE'S NO OTHER
ALTERNATIVE, AND I WOULD LIKE 
SOMETHING IN THE AGREEMENT THAT 
SAYS THAT ANY USE OF PESTICIDES 
HAS TO BE ADMINISTERED BY 
SOMEBODY THAT'S ACTUALLY 
LICENSED AND AUTHORIZED TO DO 
THAT.
>> SURE.
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: OTHER 
THAN THOSE TWO THINGS, I'M ALL 
FOR IT.
>> YEAH, SO WE DON'T USE ANY 
PESTICIDES AT ALL.
THE CHEMICAL I MENTIONED WAS 
HERBICIDE.
WHICH IS USED TO REMOVE PLANT 
LIFE.
IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD
BE REQUIRED TO USE THAT, AND IF 
SO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 
ADMINISTERED BY SOMEONE WITH A 
STATE LICENSE TO ADMINISTER 
THOSE CHEMICALS.
BUT SINCE THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS 
IN THE NATIONAL ORGANIC PROGRAM,
CERTIFIED ORGANIC, THOSE 
CHEMICAL AGENTS WOULD BE 
PROHIBITED UNDER OUR 
CERTIFICATE.
SO WE'D HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE 
ANYWAY.
IT WOULD BE KIND OF A TEDIOUS 
PROCESS.
VERY UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD NEED
TO DO SO.
I HAVE NO OPPOSITION TO LIMITING
THE USE OF CHEMICALS.
IT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE 
EXERCISE, REAL LITTLE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: WHEN YOU TALK 
ABOUT THE OPERATING HOURS, ANY 
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING ON THAT?
JUST CLEAR THAT ONE?
>> CARRIE AVALLONE: I DID SEND 
OUT A REVISED AGREEMENT THAT 
PROVIDES FOR THAT THE HARVESTING
AND REMOVAL ACTIVITIES CAN ONLY 
OCCUR FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET 
MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.
OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM?
>> ALSO INCLUDES HOLLAND PARK 
WITH THE ORIGINAL BID?
>> CARRIE AVALLONE: I DON'T 
BELIEVE THIS INCLUDES HOLLAND 
PARK.
>> IT'S IN THE TITLE OF THE 
AGREEMENT.
BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MENTION 
HOLLAND PARK IN THE AGREEMENT.
AND WE HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY STEPS 
TO CERTIFY ANY OTHER CITY-OWNED 
PROPERTY AS ORGANIC BESIDES THE 
AFOREMENTIONED PARCEL ALONG 
SAXON DRIVE.
>> CARRIE AVALLONE: OUR LEGAL 
DESCRIPTION TALKS ABOUT THE 
WESTERN SIDE OF SAXON DRIVE 
JAEV
GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN 10th 
AND DIVISION.
SO WE CAN REVISE THE TITLE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: SO WE'LL ADD SOME
CLARITY THERE.
OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM?
>> WHEN IS THE HARVEST PERIOD?
>> IT'S AN EVERGREEN TREE TO 
IT'S HARVESTABLE YEAR-ROUND.
GENERALLY, THERE'S A FALL, AND A
SPRING FLUSH.
SO THE PRIMARY HARVESTING 
PERIODS ARE IN SPRING AND FALL.
THEY DO ROTATE.
WE DO ALTERNATE HARVESTING 
PERIODS.
AND THERE ARE CERTAIN PLANTS 
THAT WE WILL NOT HARVEST FROM.
THE PLANTS ARE DIACEOUS WHICH 
MEAN THERE'S ARE MALE AND FEMALE
TREES.
SO WE DON'T HARVEST FROM FEMALE 
TREES.
WE DON'T WANT THE BERRIES IN OUR
TEA, SO WE AVOID THE PLANTS 
DURING THAT PERIOD.
I WOULD SAY A GOOD BENCHMARK IS 
SPRING AND FALL BUT IT DOES 
OCCUR YEAR ROUND AS NEEDED.
>> YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE INSIDE 
TWELVE ACRES OFF NEW SMYRNA?
>> YES.
>> WHERE IS THAT OUT?
>> OFF TURNBULL BAY ROAD NEAR 
THE TURNBULL BAY GOLF COURSE.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: 
MR. MAYOR, COMMENT?
>> MAYOR OWEN: YES.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: BRIAN, IT
IS NOT THE LATIN NAME THAT MAKES
ME SICK.
I SUPPORT WHAT YOU DO.
STRONGLY.
WITH THE LOCAL PRODUCT.
WE KEEP SOME IN OUR CUPBOARD.
I'VE TRIED IT.
NOT TOO BAD.
I REALIZE IT'S -- 
[LAUGHTER]
I REALIZE IT DOES HAVE MANY 
BENEFITS.
I'D LOVE TO SEE ANOTHER WAY FOR 
YOU TO HARVEST IT EXCEPT FOR THE
FACT THAT THESE ARE PARK LAND.
THESE ARE ASSETS OWNED BY THE 
CITIZENS.
THESE PLANTS ARE PART OF A BUY 
OS FEAR THAT BIRDS, OTHER 
MAMMALS, LIVE IN, SUBSIST ON.
IT'S HABITAT THAT YOU'RE TAKING 
AWAY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY BE 
RENEWABLE.
BUT, ALL ALONG, PEOPLE WILL BE 
WALKING THROUGH THICK AREAS, I'M
SURE, AND I KNOW THIS AREA 
INTIMATELY.
AND I KNOW THAT IT'S A CHALLENGE
NOW.
THERE'S A LOT OF DETERIORATED 
AREAS OF THIS PARK.
I'M VERY AFRAID THAT WE SET THE 
WRONG PRECEDENT, AND GO DOWN A 
SLIPPERY SLOPE IF WE START TO 
ALLOW HARVESTING OF THE LEAVES 
OR BERRIES FROM THE PLANT, FROM 
THE YAUPON.
WE ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH 
BOOTLEG AND ILLEGAL ACTIVITY 
COLLECTING [INAUDIBLE] MEADOW 
TEA.
AND OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT ARE 
UNSAVORY IN THE PARK.
I'M JUST AFRAID IN THIS LIMITED 
AREA, AGAIN WHICH I'M VERY 
FAMILIAR WITH, IT'S MY BACKYARD,
THAT I KIND OF PLAY IN, ALONG 
THE RIVER, AND I'M VERY 
CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIMITS.
YOU'RE ASKING TO GO IN TO AN 
ECOFUNDED PARK.
HAVE YOU ASKED THE COUNTY 
ECOGRANTS HELPED FUND THIS.
I'M SURE OTHER STATE AGENCIES 
HELPED TO FUND IT.
IT'S A MULTIAGENCY AGREEMENT.
SO, THAT ALSO GIVES ME 
HEARTBURN.
AND SO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, 
I'D LOVE TO SUPPORT YOU IN OTHER
WAYS.
BUT, TO HAVE YOU COME IN TO OUR 
PARKS TO TAKE THIS COMMODITY, I 
CANNOT SUPPORT.
>> MAY I RESPOND?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: SURE.
>> OKAY.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
THAT THAT ECOSYSTEM IS 
CRITICALLY IMPERILED.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES IT
FACES IS BEING PERVADED 
COMPLETELY BY INVASIVE FLORA.
YOU KNOW, I GREW UP AT 2211 
SAXON DRIVE.
THAT'S MY CHILDHOOD HOME.
AND THAT PARCEL IS THE FIRST 
PLACE THAT WE EVER HARVESTED 
YAUPON.
YOU KNOW.
SURE WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO IT
AT THE TIME.
DIDN'T REALLY KNOW.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY 
UNIQUE UNDERSTANDING OF THE 
ECOLOGY OF THAT AREA.
AND CONSERVATION IS AT THE CORE 
OF OUR BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO 
THE BELIEF THAT ECONOMIC 
OPPORTUNITIES AND ENVIRONMENTAL 
STEWARDSHIP HAVE TO BE MUTUALLY 
EXCLUSIVE.
I DON'T BUY INTO THAT AT ALL.
YAUPON IS A SPECIES OF LEAST 
CONCERN.
IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO THE 
HABITAT, BUT IF THOSE TREES 
DON'T REMAIN HEALTHY AND 
FUNCTIONAL, THEN THEY'RE OF NO 
VALUE TO OUR BUSINESS.
WE NEED TREES THERE PRODUCING 
LEAVES, AND IT'S NOT IN OUR 
INTEREST TO DEGRADE THAT 
HABITAT.
CONVERSELY, I THINK THAT THE -- 
EXCUSE ME, REMOVAL OF THE 
INVASIVE FLORA PROVIDES A MUCH 
GREATER BENEFIT TO THE ECOLOGY 
OF THAT AREA, THAN THE 
SUSTAINABLE HARVESTING PRACTICES
THAT WE'RE GOING TO EMPLOY 
THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT BRAZILIAN PEPPER,
OR THE ARDESIA SFEESH EASE I 
MENTIONED THEY'RE CATEGORY 1 
INVASIVE PEST SPECIES IN FLORIDA
AND THEY'RE JUST CAUSING 
CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE.
MATTER OF FACT, THE UNIVERSITY 
OF FLORIDA HAS RECENTLY RELEASED
BIOCONTROLS FOR BRAZILIAN 
PEPPER.
AND WE MAY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT 
PROGRAM.
SO, THERE IS A LIKELIHOOD THAT 
WE COULD USE REALLY INNOVATIVE 
TECHNIQUES TO HELP THE CITY RID 
ITSELF OF INVASIVE PLANT LIFE, 
AND THE MEASURE IS 
SUSTAINABILITY.
AND SUSTAINABILITY IS OUR 
BUSINESS.
WE WORK WITH THE CITY OF 
ORLANDO, SUSTAINABILITY 
INITIATIVE, WITH GREENWORKS 
INITIATIVE.
WE BUILD LEARNING GARDENS.
WITH WORK WITH THE FLORIDA 
NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY.
I BELIEVE THAT STAFF HAS VETTED 
THIS AGREEMENT THROUGH STATE 
AGENCIES ALREADY.
AND THEY AGREED TO IT.
SO CERTAINLY, I AGREE WITH YOUR 
CONCERNS, AND I APPRECIATE THEM,
AND I THINK THAT YOU'RE TOTALLY 
RIGHT AND TOTALLY ON TRACK.
BUT REMOVING THIS -- THESE 
LEAVES IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE 
IN A WAY THAT DAMAGES THE 
ECOLOGY OF THE AREA.
AND I CAN'T DO MUCH MORE THAN 
PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
I'M LIFE LONG RESIDENT OF THIS 
PLACE.
I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DAMAGING 
WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: I 
APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
THEY SEEM WELL THOUGHT OUT, AND 
BASED ON GOOD SCIENCE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS AREA 
IS DESIGNATED RECREATION.
SO, AND A PARK.
FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO, AGAIN, I -- 
>> MAYOR OWEN: ALL RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER McGUIRK?
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: THANK 
YOU, MAYOR.
SO, THIS IS PRETTY INTERESTING.
I THINK IT'S FRITE COOL.
I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY MET ANYBODY 
WHO STARTED A TEA COMPANY.
PEOPLE START ALL KINDS OF 
BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMMON.
AND A TEA COMPANY IS CERTAINLY 
NOT ONE OF THEM.
AND, I ALSO HAVE SOME OF YOUR 
PRODUCT, AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY
GOOD.
IT'S INTERESTING.
IT'S DEFINITELY A LITTLE 
DIFFERENT.
I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'VE 
DONE THIS.
I THINK IT'S GREAT YOU'RE HERE 
IN NEW SMYRNA.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT ASSET.
HOWEVER, THE -- WHAT'S IN FRONT 
OF ME TONIGHT IS AN AGREEMENT 
THAT HAS A COMMODITY BEING TAKEN
OFF PUBLIC LAND FOR USE OF A 
PRIVATE BUSINESS FOR PROFIT.
THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OF VALUE.
AND I THINK THAT'S -- THAT'S 
WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS.
THE VALUE ISSUE IS, THERE'S NO 
VALUE OF A PRODUCT.
AND NO VALUE PLACED ON WHAT 
YOU'RE REMOVING.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING, 
AND I CAN WORK WITH THAT IN THE 
FUTURE.
BUT HOW THIS IS WRITTEN TONIGHT,
I CAN'T SUPPORT IT SIMPLY 
BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE A 
TRANSPARENCY OF VALUE.
BRAZILIAN PEPPER I'M VERY 
FAMILIAR WITH.
AND I'M NOT SO SURE, YOU KNOW, 
ON A SIDE NOTE HEARING WHAT I 
HEARD TONIGHT, I CLEARED 
BRAZILIAN PEPPER FOR THE LATTER 
PART OF MY CHILDHOOD.
IT GREW ALL AROUND MY PROPERTY.
YOU CAN'T CUT IT.
YOU CUT IT AND IT GROWS BACK.
YOU CUT IT -- LIKE IF YOU CUT A 
PINE TREE IT DIES DOWN TO THE 
STUMP.
IF YOU CUT AN OAK TREE DOWN TO 
THE STUMP IT DIES.
BRAZILIAN PEPPER, EVEN IN THE 
FORM OF A BIG TREE, YOU CAN CUT 
IT AT THE STUMP AND THAT THING 
IN THREE WEEKS WILL BE AS TALL 
AS YOU AGAIN.
SO, IT'S A CHALLENGE.
BUT, IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO TAKE 
THAT ON, I'M ALL FOR IT.
WHAT I NEED TO SEE, THOUGH, 
BECAUSE IT'S CITY PROPERTY, IT 
BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE, AND 
THERE'S A VALUE HERE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT VALUE HAS 
NOT BEEN DISCUSSED OR PUT ON 
PAPER.
I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A BIG VALUE.
BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING 
THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME.
AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR AND 
SPECIFIC.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M 
COMING FROM ON THAT.
THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR OWEN: SO REAL QUICK, IF
I MAY, I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD A
CHANCE TO REPLY ON THIS.
I'LL CHIME IN.
FIRST, I DON'T -- I TALKED TO 
BRIAN ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT 
OCCASIONS ON DIFFERENT THINGS.
HE'S -- HE'S DISAGREED WITH HOW 
I'VE -- WITH SOME THINGS AND 
MADE THAT VERY CLEAR IN A VERY 
PROFESSIONAL MANNER.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO 
FIND ANYBODY THAT CARES MORE 
ABOUT NEW SMYRNA AND 
SPECIFICALLY THE ENVIRONMENT, 
AND THE PUBLIC ECOSYSTEMS IN NEW
SMYRNA THAN THE GENTLEMAN 
STANDING IN FRONT OF US.
SO I THINK THAT JUST GOES 
WITHOUT QUESTION.
BUT I DO -- YOU KNOW, WE GET 
TOLD A LOT OF THINGS STANDING IN
FRONT OF THAT PODIUM.
I BELIEVE WITH MY WHOLE HEART 
YOU'RE GOING TO DELIVER, YOU'RE 
GOING TO DO WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE 
GOING TO DO.
ON THE QUESTION OF VALUE, I 
BROUGHT THAT UP, I'M A BUSINESS 
GUY AT HEART SO MY FIRST THOUGHT
WAS, YOU KNOW, HEY LET'S GET 
SOMETHING BACK FOR THE PUBLIC, 
PUT IT IN SOME OF THE SPECIAL 
EDUCATION FUND OR SOMETHING 
ELSE.
WHAT I THINK WE FIGURED OUT WAS 
WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE 
THERE'S -- THE FUNDING FOR THE 
PROPERTY WAS GRANT FUNDED.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN 
PARTICULARLY MONETIZE.
THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH 
THIS BEING A TRADE.
CARRIE YOU WANT TO CHAM IN ON 
THAT VALUE PROPOSITION?
>> CARRIE AVALLONE: I WAS ABLE 
TO PULL UP THE GRANT DOCUMENTS 
AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING 
RESTRICTING VALUE THERE.
NOW, IN TERMS OF ECOFUNDING, 
WHICH WAS MENTIONED, I DON'T 
KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN THE 
ECO-GRANT AGREEMENT.
BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF, I KNOW 
THAT CHRIS AND BRIAN SPOKE TODAY
AND THE DIFFICULTY WAS IN TRYING
TO PLACE A VALUE ON IT.
BECAUSE, IT WAS UNKNOWN.
>> SO IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO 
ASSESS HOW MUCH YAUPON IS GOING 
TO BE ABLE TO BE HARVESTED, AND 
HOW MUCH INVASIVE FLORA IS ABLE 
TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE EACH ACRE 
MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT RATIO OF 
YAUPON TO BRAZILIAN PEPPER OR 
WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO UNTIL WE REALLY GO IN THERE 
AND BEGIN WORK IT'S HARD FOR US 
TO ASSESS THE VOLUME THAT'S 
GOING TO BE THERE.
WHAT I OFFERED TODAY WAS THAT 
AFTER THE FIRST QUARTER, WE 
COULD ISSUE A REPORT TO THE CITY
ON WHAT KIND OF WORK HAS BEEN 
DONE, AND THAT WOULD GIVE US THE
FACULTIES TO ASSESS THE VALUE OF
THE PRODUCT THAT'S THERE ONCE WE
BEGIN WORK.
SO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW OF ANY 
OTHER WAY TO DO THAT.
I THINK IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO
PLACE MONETARY VALUE ON REMOVAL 
OF THE FLORA.
IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE.
AS MR. McGUIRK MENTIONED.
AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO KILL.
AND IT INVOLVES A LOT OF TEDIOUS
LABOR, AND NORMALLY, REALLY 
KNOCK ISSUES CHEMICALS.
>> MAYOR OWEN: I JUST HAVE ONE 
OTHER QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR YOU 
AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
SO, ON THE PUBLIC SPACE THOUGHT,
I'VE DRIVEN THROUGH THERE, AND I
KNOW THERE'S SOME FRONTAGE 
TRAILS BUT THERE THERE, 
COMMISSIONER SACHS KNOWS THAT 
AREA WELL, WE CALL A LOT OF 
STUFF PARK.
BUT YOU CAN'T -- I MEAN, I WALK 
THROUGH HOLLAND PARK AND IF YOU 
GET OFF OF THE AREA THEY 
CLEARED, YOU CAN'T.
I MEAN, MY KID TRIES TO GET OVER
THERE I'M LIKE NO, NO, NO, DON'T
GO OVER THERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO DIE OVER THERE.
SO LIKE IS THAT -- IS THIS TRULY
A PARK IN THAT IT'S RECREATED 
AREA WITH CLEARED TRAILS OR IS 
IT JUST 60 ACRES OF DENSE SCRUB?
I MEAN, WHAT IS IT TRULY -- WHAT
ARE WE TRULY TALKING ABOUT?
BECAUSE I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T BEEN BACK IN THERE.
SO WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON 
THAT?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: THE FACTS
AND EXPERIENCE THAT I CAN SHARE,
I'VE USED THAT PARK SINCE 2001.
THERE WERE TRAILS.
WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN 
THERE, POSSIBLY SINCE INDIAN 
TIMES.
BUT THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE SET OF 
TRAILS.
THE PUBLIC HAS SPENT IN 
ECO-GRANT MONEY $290 TO HELP 
PROCURE THIS INDIAN RIVER 
PRESERVE PARK.
AND THE KEY WORD FOR ME THERE 
WAS PRESERVE, AS WELL.
SO, AGAIN, BRIAN, I WOULD LOVE 
TO SAY YES TO YOU.
BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC 
ASSET.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: TO 
COMMODITYIZE NATURE, YOU KNOW, 
WE CAN PUT A NUMBER ON A TREE.
BUT THE VALUE OF THE PARK IS 
IMMEASURABLE.
SO, IT REALLY -- 
>> WELL, IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT
POINT.
SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY WITHOUT 
PRECEDENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE NUMEROUS 
NATIONAL PARKS THAT ISSUE WHAT 
ARE CALLED FOREST PRODUCT 
HARVEST PERMITS.
AND THEY ALLOW CITIZENS TO GO IN
AND HARVEST PRODUCTS THAT ARE 
DEEMED BY THE PARK SERVICE TO BE
SUSTAINABLE.
AND YOU KNOW, NATURE IS FAIRLY 
REGENERATIVE IF YOU LET IT DO 
WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
AND IN THE TERMS OF THAT 
PARTICULAR PARCEL, IT REALLY 
CAN'T DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO 
BECAUSE THE WHOLE PLACE IS 
SATURATED WITH INVASIVE FLORA 
AND IT'S FAR, UNFORTUNATELY, 
FROM BEING THE ONLY EXAMPLE OF 
THAT.
THAT STUFF IS JUST EVERYWHERE.
IT CHOKES OUT IN NATIVE PLANT 
LIFE TO A DEGREE THAT IT CAN'T 
SURVIVE THE WAY THAT IT NORMALLY
WOULD.
I THINK THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS
TO THE CITY THAT COULD BE METED 
OUT OVER TIME THAT ARE NOT 
COVERED BY THE AGREEMENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY
OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE 
STATE OF FLORIDA OR ANYWHERE 
THAT WOULD OWN CERTIFIED ORGANIC
LAND OF ANY KIND.
THE CERTIFICATE THAT WE WOULD 
HOLD ON THE LAND LIMITS IT TO 
WILD CROP PRODUCTS.
BUT IT COULD BE EXPANDED TO 
INCLUDE OTHER AMENITIES LIKE, 
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WERE 
CLEARED SEGMENTS OF THAT, I 
DON'T KNOW IF ANY EXIST, 
POSSIBLY A COMMUNITY GARDEN THAT
COULD BE CERTIFIED ORGANIC.
THERE'S ALSO A BURDEN ON US TO 
TEST THE SOIL, INTERMITTENT TIME
PERIODS TO GUARANTEE THAT THERE 
ARE NO CHEMICALS COMING THROUGH 
OUR BUFFER ZONE, AND INTO THE 
HARVEST AREA.
AND I SEE A REAL POINT OF VALUE 
THERE FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE ON 
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARCEL IS 
THE INDIAN RIVER.
SO, IF THERE'S NO CHEMICAL 
RESIDUE OR FLUMES GOING THROUGH 
OUR BUFFER ZONE AND WE'RE 
DEMONSTRATING THAT THEN YOU KNOW
THEY'RE NOT GETTING THROUGH TO 
THE ECOSYSTEM AND THE LAGOON AND
IT'S A WAY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT 
THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: JUST ONE 
MORE POINT IF I MAY.
I HAVE TO SHARE.
COUNTY PARK RULES DO NOT ALLOW 
THE REMOVAL OF PLANTS, DON'T 
ALLOW YOU TO FEED THE ANIMALS.
OR DISTURB THE WILDLIFE WHICH 
YOU MAY IF YOU ARE BACK IN 
THERE -- 
>> BUT THE COUNTY HAS ISSUED 
PERMITS IN THE PAST FOR REMOVAL 
OF NATIVE PLANT LIFE, AS WELL AS
INVASIVE PLANT LIFE.
FOR EXAMPLE, AT DORIS LIEBER 
TREE PRETEMP HERE IN NEW SMYRNA 
THERE WAS A TIME PERIOD WHEN THE
COUNTY AND STATE WERE WORKING 
JOINTLY TO REHABILITATE THE 
SCRUB ECOSYSTEM, IN THAT PARK 
AND A LOT OF THOSE MATURE 
SPECIES OF LYONIA HAD TO BE 
REMOVED, CLEAR-CUT BECAUSE THEY 
COULDN'T USE PRESCRIBED FIRE, 
WHICH IS THE BEST METHOD.
SO THEY ALLOWED FOLIAGE, SILK 
FOLIAGE COMPANIES TO COME INTO 
THAT PARCEL AND REMOVE MATURE 
TREES SO IF YOU SEE A SILK BIG 
FAKE TREE, THE TRUNK ON THAT 
TREE IS USUALLY A LYONIA WHICH 
IS A FLORIDA NATIVE SPECIES.
LIKE I SAID, THERE'S PRECEDENT 
FOR IT.
AND IT'S JUST ABOUT TIMING.
AND THE APPROPRIATENESS OF WHAT 
WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
COMMISSIONER McGUIRK?
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: YOU 
MENTIONED A NATIONAL PARK HAD 
A -- THEY SET PRECEDENT, THEY 
HAVE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT, 
THEY ALLOW PEOPLE ON.
IS THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE 
DOING?
CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT?
IN OTHER WORDS, CAN YOU 
PROVIDE -- ELABORATE ON THAT, IF
YOU CAN.
>> IT'S NOT THE SAME.
BECAUSE, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY 
PAYING THE PARK ANYTHING OTHER 
THAN A VERY NOMINAL USAGE FEE.
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S NO FEE 
ATTACHED.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE NESTLE 
GETTING A PERMIT TO, YOU KNOW, 
GET A MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A
DAY FOR $115.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: BUT 
THEY LET PEOPLE COME ON WHO ARE 
GOING TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF 
SOMETHING BUT THEY HAVE SOME 
KIND OF AGREEMENT, THAT REFLECTS
THAT?
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS 
SOMETHING THAT -- I'M LOOKING 
FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
EITHER WAY, I'M NOT LOOKING TO 
CHARGE YOU A LOT.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
I LIKE IT.
I SUPPORT IT.
BUT THERE HAS TO BE A VALUE TO 
SOMETHING.
AND IF THERE'S A DOCUMENT THAT 
THE NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM GIVES 
OUT, THAT IS SIMILAR TO YOUR 
SITUATION, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE 
TO, YOU KNOW, MODEL OFF THAT.
>> IN MY EXPERIENCE IT'S A PARK 
BY PARK BASIS.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THAT 
THE CANAVERAL SEASHORE DOES NOT 
ISSUE THESE PERMITS.
BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER 
NATIONAL PARKS THAT DO.
AND IT IS PERTAINING 
SPECIFICALLY TO THE SPECIES OF 
PLANTS OR ANIMALS OR WHATEVER 
HAVE YOU, FUNGUS, I MEAN, THAT 
PEOPLE HARVEST ALL KINDS OF 
THINGS FROM THESE PARKS.
BUT IT'S SPECIFIC TO WHAT OCCURS
INSIDE OF THAT AREA.
IN MY EXPERIENCE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: I CAN'T PRODUCE A
DOCUMENT BUT I KNOW THERE'S MANY
PARKS OUT WEST THEY ALLOW 
HUNTING SO YOU'RE HARVESTING AN 
MA'AMS OFF THE PARK.
AND THEY'RE -- WELL, GUIDES.
THERE ARE GUIDES THAT LET THEM 
DO IT.
SO THERE'S A PROFIT MOTIVE IN 
THERE FOR SURE.
IT'S NOT JUST RANDOM PEOPLE.
SO.
ALL RIGHT, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF 
TIME ON THIS.
DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: I DO 
HAVE ONE FURTHER COMMENT AND I 
WILL MAKE A MOTION.
>> MAYOR OWEN: SURE, GO AHEAD.
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: ON THE 
ISSUE OF TAKING PRODUCTS AWAY I 
KNOW A NUMBER OF STATE PARKS IN 
OTHER AREAS, FORESTRY 
DEPARTMENT, WILL ALLOW PRIVATE 
INDIVIDUALS WITH PROPER 
INSURANCE TO GO IN AND TAKE OUT 
DEAD OR DYING TREES, AND SELL IT
FOR FIREWOOD.
AND THEY GET NOTHING IN RETURN 
EXCEPT THAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS 
IMPROVED.
IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, 
REMOVAL OF INVASIVE SPECIES, 
SAVES US A FORTUNE IF WE WANT TO
TRY TO GO IN AND SAVE THAT PARK.
AND IT COULD SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE
FOR HOW WE WANT TO DEAL WITH 
THINGS IN THE TURNBULL AREA.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER WETLAND 
THINGS WE MAY ACTUALLY OWN.
AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, IT 
IS UNCHARTED TERRITORY THAT 
WE'RE GOING INTO.
BUT IT'S FOR A THREE-YEAR 
PERIOD.
THIS AGREEMENT DOES EXPIRE.
AND CAN BE WITHDRAWN BY EITHER 
PARTY ON 30 DAYS NOTICE.
>> WITHOUT CAUSE.
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: WITHOUT 
CAUSE.
SO WE'RE NOT TYING OURSELVES IN 
TO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE AN 
UNFORESEEN PROBLEM WITH.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT 
THIS PROPOSAL.
AND WOULD OFFER A MOTION TO 
APPROVE THE CITY ENTERING INTO 
AN AGREEMENT WITH MINOR CHANGES 
THAT WERE DISCUSSED, AND 
PROBABLY HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY,
FOR APPROVAL.
I MAKE THAT MOTION.
>> MAYOR OWEN: HAVE A SECOND?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: MOTION TO
TABLE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: I HAVE A MOTION 
ON THE TABLE.
SO LET'S SEE IF THAT ONE GETS A 
SECOND.
NO ONE?
>> MOTION TO TABLE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: THERE WAS A 
MOTION MADE FIRST.
I DON'T KNOW ROBERT'S RULES.
DOES THAT MOTION HAVE A SECOND?
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: I'LL 
SECOND IT.
>> MAYOR OWEN: ALL RIGHT.
SO YOU SECOND VICE MAYOR'S 
MOTION?
RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER HARTMAN?
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: YES.
>> MAYOR OWEN: MAKING SURE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A 
SECOND.
AND THAT WAS TO APPROVE WITH THE
CHANGES THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY 
SENT OUT WHICH INCLUDED HOURS 
AND -- 
>> STRIKING THE HOLLAND PARKS.
>> MAYOR OWEN: STRIKING THE 
HOLLAND PARK WHICH WAS NEVER IN 
THE LANGUAGE.
>> CARRIE AVALLONE: AND 
QUARTERLY REPORTS.
>> MAYOR OWEN: AND THE QUARTERLY
REPORTS, ET CETERA.
SO I HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.
BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD CITY 
ATTORNEY, I DON'T REMEMBER 
ANYTHING IN OUR PARTICULAR RULES
OF PROCEDURE ABOUT MOTION TO 
TABLE.
MAKE SURE I DON'T STEP ON -- 
>> CARRIE AVALLONE: I DO HAVE A 
CHEAT SHEET THAT -- A MOTION 
ALLAY ON THE TABLE OR 
ESSENTIALLY POSTPONE WOULD TRUMP
THE MAIN MOTION.
YOU GUYS CAN HANDLE IT EITHER 
WAY.
YOU DO HAVE A MOTION AND A 
SECOND.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE VOTE.
BUT WE'RE NOT STRICTLY BOUND BY 
ROBERT'S RULES BUT TECHNICALLY, 
COMMISSIONER HARTMAN IS CORRECT 
THAT THAT MOTION WOULD TRUMP THE
MAIN MOTION.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAD A MOTION TO TABLE.
THAT ONE REQUIRES A SECOND 
THOUGH, RIGHT?
DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION
TO TABLE?
>> SECOND.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
MOTION TO TABLE.
WE HAVE A SECOND.
CITY CLERK IF YOU'D CALL THE 
ROLL ON THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS
ITEM.
>> THE QUESTION ON THE MOTION IS
THERE A TIME CERTAIN?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: I WOULD 
LIKE MUCH MORE INFORMATION AS TO
WHO -- WHO -- [INAUDIBLE].
NEXT YEAR.
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: I'LL 
WITH DRAW MY SECOND.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY WE HAVE A 
MOTION TO TABLE.
HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT 
SPECIFICITY ON THAT.
MIGHT HAVE IMPACTED THE SECOND.
DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND 
ON THE MOTION TO TABLE?
YOU MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
HE SECONDED THAT ONE, I DOUBT 
IT.
SO -- MOTION TO TABLE FALLS FOR 
LACK OF A SECOND.
>> CARRIE AVALLONE: THEN WE'RE 
BACK -- 
>> MAYOR OWEN: WE'RE BACK TO THE
ORIGINAL MOTION WHICH HAD A 
SECOND.
CITY CLERK CALL THE ROLL, 
PLEASE.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: NO.
>> VICE MAYOR KOLODY?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: YES.
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN?
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: NO.
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK 340I7 
NO.
>> MAYOR OWEN?
>> MAYOR OWEN: YES.
MOTION FAILS.
MOTION TO APPROVE FAILS.
SO IT HAS NOT BEEN TABLED.
IT JUST FAILS.
GO AHEAD.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT?
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: SO I 
WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT 
THIS AGREEMENT WITH A ONE-YEAR 
TERM WITH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT
WERE STIPULATED.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY DO I HAVE A 
SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: SECOND.
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: 
PROVIDED THAT IT'S NOT IMPACTED 
BY THE ECO-GRANT.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 
QUALIFIED PRIOR TO 
[INDISCERNIBLE].
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: QUESTION?
>> MAYOR OWEN: HANG ON.
WE'VE GOT A MOTION.
I HAVE A SECOND.
YOU FINE WITH ALL THOSE 
CLARIFICATIONS, SECONDER?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: YES.
>> MAYOR OWEN: QUESTION ON THE 
MOTION?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: AFTER THE
MOTION FAILED HOW DO WE HAVE A 
SECOND MOTION TO REINTRODUCE?
>> MAYOR OWEN: WELL -- 
>> DIFFERENT MOTION.
>> MAYOR OWEN: AND HE'S ON THE 
PREVAILING SIDE SO HE CAN BRING 
IT BACK UP.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: THANK 
YOU.
[INAUDIBLE].
THE LOSING SIDE CAN'T JUST KEEP 
BRINGING IT BACK UP.
THE PREVAILING SIDE CAN.
I COULDN'T BRING IT BACK UP.
WE HAD A MOTION.
WE HAD THE SECOND.
CITY CLERK CALL ON THE SAME ITEM
FOR A ONE YEAR TERM.
WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S 
ACCEPTABLE TO BRIAN YET BUT 
WE'LL GET IT ON THE TABLE FIRST 
AND IF IT IS NOT THEN HE CANNOT 
SIGN IF HE WANTS TO.
>> CARRIE AVALLONE: FOR 
CLARIFICATION I HAVE -- RIVER --
>> I BELIEVE IT'S THAT.
SO JUST MAKING SURE FDEP GAVE US
AN FTC GRANT.
THEY HAVE SAID OKAY TO THIS.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE
REFERRING TO WHEN WE SAY SAINT 
JOHN.
SO THE ECO-GRANT WOULD BE THE 
ONE WE NEED TO HAVE THEM REVIEW 
IT.
>> MAYOR OWEN: I'D SAY JUST A 
BROAD PROVISION IF YOU'RE OKAY 
WITH THE MOTION MAKER THAT JUST 
IF THERE'S NO CONFLICTS WITH ANY
OTHER THINGS TIED TO THIS PARCEL
THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY WOULD 
CLARIFY FOR US.
WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A 
SECOND CITY CLERK CALL THE ROLL.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: NO.
>> VICE MAYOR KOLODY?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: YES.
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN?
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: YES.
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK?
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: NO.
>> MAYOR OWEN?
>> MAYOR OWEN: YES.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT IS APPROVED FOR ONE YEAR.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT WE 
CAN -- 
>> THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE ROBUST 
DISCUSSION HERE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: ALWAYS A ROBUST 
DISCUSSION.
STAY FOR THE NEXT ITEM.
IT WILL BE EVEN MORE ROBUST.
ITEM 8-A.
BRIAN.
LET'S SEE, THIS IS A 
QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARING 
FOR APPLICATION ON A CCSL 
CONSTRUCTION 3-19.
GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THE TIME FOR 
EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
VICE MAYOR ANY EX PARTE 
COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS ITEM?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: NONE 
WHATSOEVER.
>> MAYOR OWEN: COMMISSIONER 
SACHS?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: NONE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: I HAVE NONE, AS 
WELL.
COMMISSIONER McGUIRK?
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: I'M 
SORRY.
>> MAYOR OWEN: EX PARTE ON THIS 
ITEM?
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: NO.
>> MAYOR OWEN: THIS IS THE 
STAIRS.
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: JUST 
FOR THE RECORD I'M CLOSE FRIENDS
WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHO
DREW UP THE PLAN, AND HE 
MENTIONED IT.
OTHER THAN THAT NOTHING ELSE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
COMMISSIONER SACHS?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: I'D LIKE 
TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO WHAT I 
JUST SAID ABOUT EX PARTE.
I WENT TO THE SITE AND TOOK 
PICTURES AND HAD PICTURES TO 
PRESENT.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
TO PRESENT.
OKAY.
SO WE'LL ALL SEE THAT EVIDENCE.
OKAY.
PERFECT.
THANK YOU.
[WITNESSES SWORN]
>> MAYOR OWEN: ALL RIGHT.
BRIAN IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR 
FULL LEGAL NAME, EDUCATION AND 
PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND.
>> BRIAN SCOTT FIELDS, EDUCATION
BACHELOR OF SCIENCE IN CIVIL 
ENGINEERING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
MARYLAND.
MASTERS IN BUSINESS 
ADMINISTRATION FROM THE 
UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, MY 
POSITION HERE IS DIRECTOR OF 
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN COASTAL 
ENVIRONMENTAL RESILIENCY.
I'M A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL 
ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF 
FLORIDA, 24 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN 
LAND DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING 
PLANNING PERMITTING PUBLIC 
ADMINISTRATION.
>> MAYOR OWEN: THANK YOU.
[INDISCERNIBLE].
NO?
SORRY.
OKAY.
MAN.
THEY STOLE A COACH FROM 'BAMA.
THEY'LL BE FINE.
ALL RIGHT.
ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WISH 
TO QUESTION MR. FIELDS ON THIS 
QUALIFICATIONS?
SEEING NONE.
ANY OBJECTION TO QUALIFYING HIM 
AS AN EXPERT WITNESS IN THE AREA
OF LAND DEVELOPMENT?
NO OBJECTIONS.
HE'S AN EXPERT.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THIS 
APPLICATION?
>> YES.
>> MAYOR OWEN: PLEASE STATE 
WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE
COMP PLAN AND SHARE YOUR 
RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ITEM.
>> YES, STAFF BELIEVES IT IS 
CONSISTENT WITH THE 
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND THE 
APPLICANT'S ENGINEER IS HERE, AS
WELL.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A
FRANGIBLE STAIRCASE ONLY OVER AN
EXISTING SEAWALL EAST OF THE 
CITY'S COASTAL CONSTRUCTION 
SETBACK LINE AT 2603 HILL 
STREET.
THE HOUSE ITSELF IS UNDER 
CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME.
SITE PHOTOS ARE INCLUDED IN THE 
AGENDA PACKET.
SPECIFICALLY EXHIBIT E, KELLY, 
IF YOU COULD PULL THAT UP, 
PLEASE.
KIND OF SHOWS A GOOD PICTURE OF 
THE EXISTING SEAWALL.
SO, THERE'S AN EXISTING SEAWALL.
IT'S BEEN THERE PROBABLY 20 
YEARS OR MORE.
AND THERE IS -- NO.
HAS A BLUE PAPER ON OUR AGENDA 
PACKET.
EXHIBIT "D."
COMMISSIONER SACHS'S PHOTOS.
I DON'T THINK HE HAS ONE.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: SIX.
IF YOU LOOK AT SIX.
>> SEAWALL IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE
FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND, THE WEIGH THE PROPERTY IS 
CONFIGURED, IT IS REALLY NO WAY 
DOWN TO THE BEACH FROM THE 
PROPERTY OTHER THAN INSTALLING 
SOME TYPE OF STAIRCASE.
THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO 
WALKING AROUND TO THE NEAREST 
POINT OF PUBLIC ENTRY.
>> MAYOR OWEN: GO TO SLIDE SIX I
THINK HE WAS SAYING.
>> THAT SHOWS THE SIDE VIEW OF 
IT.
YOU CAN SEE THE SEAWALL, WHICH 
IS THAT DARK BLUE WITH THE WHITE
TRIM.
THAT'S THE SIDE OF IT THERE.
THE PROPOSED STAIRCASE WOULD BE 
IN THE FRONT OF THAT.
SO, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A 
TRICKY ONE.
AS I MENTIONED SEAWALL'S BEEN 
THERE A LONG TIME.
SEAWALL WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED 
IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION IF IT 
CAME IN TODAY.
IT'S THERE.
IT'S NOT MOVING.
SO, YOU KNOW, A FRANGIBLE 
STAIRCASE ON THE OUTSIDE OF 
THAT, ON THE PROPERTY, REALLY 
WOULD HAVE NO ENVIRONMENTAL -- 
MINIMAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AS I MENTIONED WE HAVE NO OTHER 
WAY TO ACCESS THE BEACH WITHOUT 
THAT.
SO, AND WE DO FEEL LIKE IT WOULD
HAVE MINIMAL EROSION.
IN EVALUATING THIS PARTICULAR 
CASE, I THINK STAFF FELT LIKE 
THE NINE CRITERIA THAT'S IN THE 
CODE FOR CCSL SETBACKS HAVE BEEN
MET, OR ARE NOT APPLICABLE.
THERE IS NO VEGETATION THAT'S 
REALLY DISTURBED FOR THIS.
THERE'S NO DUNE WALKOVER.
IT'S A SEAWALL WITH A STAIRCASE 
SIMILAR TO OTHERS IN THE AREA.
STAFF REALLY COULDN'T FIND A 
PRECEDENT SIMILAR TO THIS ONE TO
REALLY LEAN ON AS FAR AS HOW 
THESE HAVE BEEN INTERPRETED OVER
THE YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DIDN'T 
HAVE THAT TO GO BY.
SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH 
THE FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS.
THAT THE STAIRCASE BE 
CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE PROHIBITED
DURING THE TURTLE SEASON.
AND SECONDLY, A BUILDING PERMIT 
MUST BE APPLIED FOR WITHIN ONE 
YEAR AND OBTAINED WITHIN 18 
MONTHS OF APPROVAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH 
THOSE CONDITIONS.
HERE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> MAYOR OWEN: ALL RIGHT.
ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION OR 
THE APPLICANT WISH TO QUESTION 
MR. FIELDS ON THIS TESTIMONY?
WE'LL START WITH THE COMMISSION.
ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION 
WISH TO QUESTION MR. FIELDS?
COMMISSIONER SACHS.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: I 
UNDERSTAND THE WORD FRANGIBLE.
I HAVE NOT SEEN IT APPLIED TO A 
WALKOVER.
HAVE YOU?
>> THE STAIRCASE, IT WOULD BE 
FRAGILE, OR DESTRUCTIBLE IN CASE
OF SEVERE WAVE ACTION WOULD 
DEMOLISH THE STAIRCASE.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: SO FOR MY
COLLEAGUES AND FOR STAFF, I 
WOULD LIKE TO SHARE PERSONAL 
EXPERIENCE, AND IF YOU'RE 
LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT WITH THE 
BLUE WALL, I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN 
TO THE BEACH FOR ABOUT THREE 
WEEKS, AND WAS SHOCKED TO FIND 
THE EXTREME EROSION.
IN FACT, ANOTHER EXHIBIT SHOWS A
WALKOVER AND YOU CAN SEE THE 
WATER LINE COMING ABOUT A FOOT 
UP THAT WALKOVER.
A FRANGIBLE WALKOVER, I THINK IN
AN EXTREME WEATHER EVENT WOULD 
BREAK AWAY AND CAUSE FURTHER 
PROPERTY DAMAGE OR HARM TO LIFE 
DOWN THE LINE.
SO, GENTLEMEN, I UNDERSTAND THIS
IS ALLOWED.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU 
LOOK AT ALL OF THE OTHER 
EXHIBITS, AND I HOPE YOU DO, YOU
CAN SEE THAT THIS BEACH IS 
SEVERELY ERODED.
IN FACT, WHERE THERE ARE 
EXISTING SEAWALLS, IT IS ERODED 
MORE.
BECAUSE OF THE HYDRO DYNAMIC 
EFFECTS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS LAST EVENT WE
LOST A DEPTH, A FOOT OF DEPTH IN
BEACH.
AND SEVERAL FEET IN HORIZONTAL 
DISTANCE WESTWARD OF THE HIGH 
WATER MARK.
IT IS JUST BECOMING VERY SCARY 
FOR ME.
WE'RE LOSING OUR BEACH.
IT MIGHT RENOURISH, PROBABLY 
NOT.
AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START 
DISCUSSING OUR COASTAL SETBACKS?
THAT IS THE PRELIMINARY REASON 
FOR THE REASON I BROUGHT THESE 
EXHIBITS FOR YOU TO SEE.
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP 
APPROVING AND ALLOWING 
STRUCTURES TO BE BUILT EAST OF 
THE COASTAL SETBACK.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE 
WITH YOU ALL.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE 
COMMISSION WISH TO QUESTION 
MR. FIELDS ON HIS TESTIMONY?
THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
OF MR. FIELDS ON HIS TESTIMONY?
ALL RIGHT IF NOT WE'LL NOW HEAR 
FROM THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD
CHOOSE TO PRESENT.
ANY WITNESSES THEY WOULD LIKE TO
PRESENT.
THE APPLICANT HERE?
WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT?
OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
FROM THE COMMISSION?
FROM THE COMMISSION?
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM MEMBERS -- 
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE'LL HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF 
THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH 
TO TESTIFY FOR OR AGAINST THIS?
SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE THAT.
ALL RIGHT.
NO QUESTIONS FOR THOSE 
WITNESSES.
ALL RIGHT CLOSING REMARKS FROM 
THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT WILL 
HAVE ANY CLOSING REMARKS.
MY CLOSING QUESTION I GUESS 
WOULD BE IN LIGHT OF 
COMMISSIONER SACHS, AND I 
UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
I GUESS I'M TRYING TO PARLAY 
THAT DOWN TO THIS ONE STAIRCASE.
I THINK WHAT YOU SAID WAS CLEAR.
THAT, IF WE WERE APPROVING THIS 
ENTIRE THING, THIS SEA WALL 
WOULDN'T BE APPROVED PER OUR 
CURRENT CCSL.
THAT'S NOT HOW WE WOULD DO 
BUSINESS.
WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL RISK, I 
MEAN, IN A STORM EVENT, THE 
STAIRWELL JUST BASICALLY BREAKS 
AWAY.
IS THAT THE PRESUMPTION?
>> IT WOULD TAKE A SIGNIFICANT 
IMPACT.
BUT IT WOULD BE FRANGIBLE, THE 
IDEA IS IT WOULD JUST FLOAT 
AWAY.
AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WOULD 
IF THAT HAPPENED IN THAT AREA.
>> MAYOR OWEN: YEAH.
OKAY.
YEAH.
ALL RIGHT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.
OKAY.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
APPLICANT ANY CLOSING COMMENTS 
FROM THE APPLICANT?
ALL RIGHT.
PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT 
APPLICATION CCSL-3-19?
>> SO MOVED.
>> SECOND.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
MOTION AND A SECOND.
CITY CLERK IF YOU'D CALL THE 
ROLL PLEASE.
>> VICE MAYOR KOLODY?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: YES.
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN?
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: YES.
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK?
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: YES.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: 
REGRETTABLY, NO.
>> MAYOR OWEN?
>> MAYOR OWEN: NO.
I MEAN YES.
I'M SORRY.
I MEANT TO SAY YES.
YES.
IT HAS BEEN A LONG NIGHT.
YES.
SO 4-1.
PASS.
APPLICATION 3-19 HAS BEEN 
APPROVED.
NO IS ON MY MIND BECAUSE I HEAR 
YOU.
I GENUINELY DO AND IF I THOUGHT 
THIS WOULD MAKE AN IMPACT I'D BE
ALL WITH YOU AND I THINK WE 
TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT
SOME LARGE-SCALE CCSL TYPE 
THINGS AND IF WHAT WAS AHEAD OF 
US OR WHAT WAS IN FRONT OF US 
TONIGHT WAS BUILDING A SEAWALL, 
YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT 
CONVERSATION.
I GUESS THAT WILL -- I DON'T 
THINK ONE STAIR WELL IS GOING TO
MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
BUT MAYBE ONE STRAW DOESN'T MAKE
A DIFFERENCE.
IT'S THE HUGE IMPACT BUT WE'RE 
FIGHTING THAT FIGHT.
SO ITEM "B."
ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ON 
THIS ONE?
THIS IS THE TRACTOR SUPPLY -- 
TRACTOR SUPPLY ITEM.
SO VICE MAYOR KOLODY ANY EX 
PARTE?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: NONE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: COMMISSIONER 
SACHS?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: NO.
>> MAYOR OWEN: I DRIVE BY THE 
SITE.
70 TIMES A DAY.
IT FEELS LIKE.
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: YES, 
I'VE SPOKEN TO THE ATTORNEY 
REPRESENTING, AND I HAVE SPOKEN 
TO ONE OF THE REALTORS CHARLOTTE
SMITH ABOUT IT.
AND I'VE SPOKEN TO THE 
DEVELOPER, SCOTT HIS LAST 
NAME -- SCOTT REAMS.
THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
COMMISSIONER HARTMAN?
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: I ALSO 
SPOKE TO THOSE THREE INDIVIDUALS
WAY BACK WHEN THE PROJECT WAS IN
THE EARLY STAGES.
AND ALSO [INAUDIBLE] MY OFFICE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: YEAH.
IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I'VE TALKED 
TO INDIVIDUALS ABOUT THE SITE.
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY 
PRESENTED THAT WILL NOT BE 
PRESENTED TONIGHT OR BE RELEVANT
TONIGHT.
SO THAT GOES BACK IN TIME.
IT'S A LONG PROJECT.
SO, 
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: WHILE 
WE'RE AT IT I WAS ON THE 
PLANNING BOARD WHEN THIS 
APPLICATION CAME BEFORE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: WE FULLY 
DISCLOSED.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE CITY.
YOU'RE STILL UNDER OATH 
MR. FIELDS.
YOU FAMILY WITH THE APPLICATION?
>> YES.
>> MAYOR OWEN: IS IT CONSISTENT 
WITH THE COMP PLAN AND SHARE 
YOUR RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE.
>> YES IT IS.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
THIS IS THE TRACTOR SFLIE FINAL 
PLAT.
JUST A STATUS UPDATE ON TRACTOR 
SFLIE.
SITE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED AS A
CLASS TWO GETS APPROVED AT THE 
STAFF LEVEL.
THE BUILDING PERMIT WAS RECENTLY
ISSUED SO THE TRACTOR SUPPLY 
BUILDING IS MOVING FORWARD.
THIS IS THE FINAL STEP FOR THE 
SITE WHICH REALLY DIVIDES THE 
SITE INTO FOUR LOTS.
THE TRACTOR SUPPLY LOT, TWO 
FUTURE OUT PARCELS CLOSER TO 
STATE ROAD 44 AND A STORMWATER 
POND.
IT ALSO DEDICATES LANDS ON 
CORBIN PARK AND STATE ROAD 44, 
CORBIN PARK ROAD TO THE CITY, 
STATE RUDE 44 TO D.O.T. FOR 
ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE
SHOWN ON THE APPROVED SITE 
PLANS.
THE MBA FOR TRACTOR SUPPLY 
ALLOWED FOR RECONFIGURATION OF 
15 PARCELS IN THE SUBDIVISION 
SITE AS SHOWN IN YOUR AGENDA 
PACKET.
AND FOR THE THREE LOTS AND THE 
STORMWATER DETENTION POND.
THE PROPOSED PLAT COMPLIES WITH 
THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PVMDA 
AND OR CITY LAND DEVELOPMENT 
REGULATIONS FOR OPEN SPACE AND 
TREE PRESERVATION.
ONE THING TO NOTE, THEY MEET THE
OPEN SPACE AND TREE PRESERVATION
BY UTILIZING SOME LANDS ON THOSE
FUTURE FRONT PARCELS.
SO IN ORDER TO FULLY DEVELOP 
THOSE PARCELS, THE APPLICANT'S 
AWARE OF THIS, THAT THEY MAY 
NEED TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL LAND
AT SOME POINT TO JOIN IT WITH 
THIS PROJECT IN ORDER TO 
MAINTAIN THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE'S SOME RESTRICTIONS 
THAT ARE THERE, TREE 
PRESERVATION, OPEN SPACE.
DOES NOT AFFECT TRACTOR SUPPLY.
THAT'S MOVING FORWARD.
THIS IS JUST FOR THE FUTURE 
CONSTRUCTION.
IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE ARE FIVE
HISTORIC TREES ON THE SITE AND 
I'M TOLD 7 1/2 ACRES AND NONE 
ARE PREPARED TO BE REMOVED UNDER
THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PLANS 
AND WE DO COMMEND THE APPLICANT 
REALLY WORKING WITH US AND THE 
UTILITIES COMMISSION TO MAKE 
SOME COMMONSENSE ADJUSTMENTS TO 
PRESERVE THE HISTORIC TREES.
ONE OF THEM IS A 50 INCH OAK.
THAT IS BEING PRESERVED.
A REVIEW OF THIS PLAT WAS 
PERFORMED BY THE CITY'S 
INDEPENDENT SURVEYOR AND AS 
REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE HAS 
BEEN COMPLETED AND APPROVED.
AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD
MEETING OCTOBER 7th BOARD VOTED 
5-0 TO FORWARD RECOMMENDATION OF
APPROVAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CITY COMMISSION
APPROVE WHAT'S CALLED THE DENNY 
PARK REPLAT, TRACTOR SUPPLY PLAT
AND AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO 
EXECUTE THE CONTRACT FOR PLAT 
RECORD.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY ANY MEMBER 
OF THE COMMISSION OR THE 
APPLICANT LIKE TO QUESTION 
MR. FIELDS ON THE TESTIMONY?
COMMISSIONER KOLODY?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: 
MR. FIELDS, I WANT TO THANK YOU 
AND COMMEND YOU AND YOUR STAFF 
FOR DOING A GREAT JOB.
KEEPING THOSE FIVE HISTORIC 
TREES WAS CERTAINLY AN ISSUE.
I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE 
REASONS I WAS CONTACTED.
PHENOMENAL JOB.
YOU KNOW, GOOD JOB BUT I DON'T 
WANT TO GIVE YOU TOO MANY 
ACCOLADES.
IT WAS.
I WANT TO ALSO COMMEND UC ON 
THAT.
AGAIN I CAN'T STATE THAT ENOUGH 
IN TERMS OF STAFF DOING A GREAT 
JOB ON THAT.
THANK YOU AGAIN.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY, QUESTIONS 
FOR STAFF.
YES, COMMISSIONER SACHS?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: THANK 
YOU, MR. MAYOR.
BRIAN WHY ARE WE CALLING IT A 
REPLAT AND ADDITION?
>> THERE IS AN OLD KENNEDY PARK 
WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT 
CREATED 15 PARCELS ON THE 
PROPERTY GOING WAY BACK.
SO, WHEN -- IF THOSE LINES ARE 
REDRAWN, IT IS CONSIDERED A 
REPLAT AT THIS POINT.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: SO THE 
ADDITION WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL
HOME TO BE PURCHASED IN THE 
FUTURE, POSSIBLY?
>> THE ADDITION?
[SPEAKER OFF MIC]
>> I'LL ASK CHIEF PLANNER TO 
COMMENT ON THE ADDITIONAL 
PORTION.
>> MAYOR OWEN: HE'S GOT TO GET 
SWORN IN REAL QUICK.
[WITNESS SWORN]
>> WE ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT 
TITLE FOR THE PLAT BECAUSE 
PREVIOUS TO THAT IT KIND OF HAD 
A REAL NONDESCRIPT TITLE AND WE 
KNEW THE CLERK AND THE COUNTY 
WOULD REQUIRE SOMETHING THAT WAS
SOMEWHAT DISTINCT.
SO, IT WAS THE KENNEDY PARK 
SUBDIVISION ORIGINALLY.
THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL PROPERTY 
TO THAT, AND THAT'S WHY THE TERM
AND ADDITION WAS ADDED TO THAT 
TITLE.
>> THAT WAS COUNTY LAND, RIGHT?
>> ALL THE PROPERTY THAT'S 
WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION IS IN THE
CITY LIMITS.
WHAT THEY'RE CONTEMPLATING 
ADDING IS OUTSIDE THE CITY 
LIMITS.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ACTED ON
NOW.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: WAS THE 
T.I.A. PERFORMED?
>> YEAH THAT GOES BACK TO THE 
ORIGINAL PUD.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: I 
APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH
THE TREES PLAN.
THE WATER COMPENSATION.
WILL THAT BE -- IF THAT IS ALL 
BUILT OUT IN THE FUTURE, WOULD 
TRACTOR SUPPLY AND OUTPARCELS 
WILL WE HAVE SUFFICIENT WATER 
CONTAINMENT IN THAT?
>> YES.
STORMWATER PONDS, MASTER PLAN 
FOR ALL THREE PARCELS.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: OKAY.
>> MAYOR OWEN: ANY OTHER 
QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT -- I 
MEAN SORRY, CITY STAFF.
ONE QUESTION I HAVE, BRIAN, YOU 
MENTIONED ABOUT THE, TO BE ABLE 
TO MEET ALL OF THE MINIMUMS, AND
BUILD OUT THE OUTPARCELS THEY 
MAY HAVE TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL 
LAND.
WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE CONTIGUOUS
TO THIS, OR IS THAT -- I MEAN, 
IT WOULD BE, RIGHT?
YEAH.
OKAY.
CAN ONLY GO ONE DIRECTION.
I GUESS IT'S FURTHER BACK DOWN 
CORBIN.
ANOTHER -- WAIT I'LL PROBABLY 
HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT ON THIS.
APPLICANT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF 
STAFF?
>> THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A COMPLEX
PROJECT ESPECIALLY TRACTOR 
SUPPLY GOING FIRST.
WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH 
ZONING, WE'VE ALREADY GONE 
THROUGH PLATTING, WE'VE ALREADY 
GONE THROUGH BUILDING PERMIT -- 
I'M SORRY NOT PLATTING, THE SITE
PLAN.
THE PLATTING ITSELF IS A 
MINISTERIAL ACT IF YOU MEET THE 
CRITERIA.
IT'S USUALLY GRANTED.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I 
APPRECIATE BRIAN BRINGING THESE 
ISSUES UP.
THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF 
TYING THIS TOGETHER.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THE UC IN 
WORKING WITH US ON THE TREE 
BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT AN EASY 
ISSUE.
WE HAD TO GO AROUND THAT TREE.
AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE
CLIENT DID, AND SO, THEY PUT THE
COST INTO IT AND THEY PRESEVENED
THAT TREE, AS WELL AS A TREE 
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GONE ON 
THE OTHER ACCESS POINT, THEY 
MOVED THEIR ACCESS TO ALLOW FOR 
THAT, AS WELL.
AND STAFF'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK 
WITH.
>> MAYOR OWEN: YEAH, I NOTICE 
DRIVING BY, I SAW A BUNCH OF THE
TREES HAVE BEEN MARKED OFF AND I
WASN'T AWARE OF ALL THE THINGS 
THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP TO 
SPEED TO US.
SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT.
OKAY.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S -- YOU 
HAVE NO WITNESSES OR ANYTHING TO
PRESENT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
MY QUESTION IS, ON TIMING, AND 
THE SPECIFICALLY THE TURN LANE 
IMPROVEMENTS, THE INTERSECTION 
IMPROVEMENTS, NOT SIGNALIZATION,
BUT I KNOW WE'RE ADDING A TURN 
LANE.
IS THAT -- IS THAT THE VERY LAST
THING TO HAPPEN OR THE VERY 
FIRST THING TO HAPPEN?
PLEASE BE FIRST.
>> -- PRIOR TO THE CERTIFICATE 
OF OCCUPANCY WHICH IS THE 
TRACTOR SUPPLY.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
GOT IT.
I WILL TELL YOU -- I LIVE BACK 
IN THAT AREA.
SO, THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO, 
THERE ARE FANS OF IT, NOT FANS 
OF IT.
BUT THE TURN LANE IS THE ONE 
REDEEMING QUALITY TO THE PEOPLE 
THAT DON'T LIKE THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
AND HOPEFULLY SIGNALIZATION IS A
WHOLE THING.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO SOME
POTENTIAL FUNDING IF WE'RE ABLE 
TO GET THAT APPROVAL.
IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE TONIGHT.
JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE FOR 
THE RECORD AND I HOPE THAT COMES
THROUGH, AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT.
SO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC 
WISH TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM?
SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE THAT.
ANY CLOSING REMARKS FOR THE CITY
OR THE APPLICANT?
ANY CLOSING DISCUSSION BY THE 
COMMISSION, IF NOT, DO I HAVE A 
MOTION ON APPLICATION S-1-19?
>> MOVE TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
CITY CLERK IF YOU'D CALL THE 
ROLL, PLEASE.
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN?
>> COMMISSIONER HARTMAN: YES.
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK?
>> YES.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS?
>> YES.
>> VICE MAYOR KOLODY?
>> YES.
>> MAYOR OWEN?
>> MAYOR OWEN: YES.
>> THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR OWEN: ORDINANCE 71-19.
SECOND READING AND PUBLIC 
HEARING.
WOULD AMEND FUTURE LAND USE OF 
152 ACRES KNOWN AS TURNBULL 
TRACE PROPERTIES.
DID THEY EVER COME UP WITH 
ANOTHER NAME FOR THAT, 
GENTLEMEN?
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT THURSDAY.
CITY ATTORNEY READ THE ORDINANCE
BY TITLE ONLY.
>> CARRIE AVALLONE: AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING THE CITY OF NEW SMYRNA 
BEACH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 
CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE 
DESIGNATION OF 152 PLUS OR MINUS
ACRES GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN 
PIONEER TRAIL AND JUNGLE ROAD 
WEST OF OTTER BOULEVARD FROM 
CITY MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL 
LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND 
CONSERVATION TO CITY 
CONSERVATION.
PROVIDING FOR AMENDMENT OF THE 
ASSOCIATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 
MAPS, PROVIDING FOR REQUIRED 
TRANSMITTALS, PROVIDING FOR 
PUBLIC HEARINGS, PROVIDING FOR 
CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND 
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT, 
BRIAN?
>> BRIEFLY.
NOTHING NEW TO ADD FROM THE 
FIRST READING.
IT'S MADE ITS WAY TO THE STATE 
AND THE OTHER AGENCIES ALL 
APPROVE.
NO COMMENTS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
THE REZONE WAS ALREADY COMPLETED
CONDITIONED UPON THIS FUTURE 
LAND USE AMENDMENT PASSING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
>> MAYOR OWEN: IT'S A PUBLIC 
HEARING.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH 
TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE THE 
PUBLIC HEARING.
DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: SO MOVED.
>> SECOND.
>> MAYOR OWEN: ALL RIGHT.
JAKE'S THE MOTION MAKER, McGUIRK
SECONDED.
>> JUST A QUICK COMMENT.
>> MAYOR OWEN: SURE.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: DO WE 
HAVE AN OTTER PARK AT THIS TIME?
WE HAVE A HOLLAND PARK.
>> HOLLAND PARK AND HUNTER LAKE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: WE HAVE OTTER 
BOULEVARD.
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: IT'S 
HOLLAND PARK AT OTTER LAKE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: BUT WE DON'T HAVE
AN OTTER PARK?
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: I WOULD 
RECOMMEND OTTER PARK -- 
>> TURNBULL 
[MULTIPLE SPEAKERS]
>> MAYOR OWEN: I THINK WE SHOULD
SPLICE IT SOME NAMES FROM THE 
PUBLIC AND HAVE SOME FUN WITH 
THAT.
AND COME UP WITH SOME NOD TO THE
CITIZENS.
CITIZENS PARK.
HOW ABOUT THAT?
>> GET THE COUNCIL INVOLVED.
>> MAYOR OWEN: ALL RIGHT.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: I HAVE A 
SEARS QUESTION.
>> MAYOR OWEN: GO AHEAD.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: COULD YOU
PLEASE DEFINE FOR US SO WE KNOW 
WHAT FEATURES THAT WE'RE 
REQUIRED BY THE PEOPLE THAT 
SUPPLIED THE GRANT, I UNDERSTAND
THERE'S SOME NECESSITIES OF 
TRAILS, OTHER FEATURES, I WOULD 
REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE
TO PUT ON THAT, AND A PERMIT OF 
TRAILS FOR ME WOULD BE 
ESSENTIAL.
SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MY 
COLLEAGUES FEEL ABOUT IT.
>> I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN 
FRONT OF ME BUT WE HAVE THAT AND
CAN PROVIDE IT.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
>> COMMISSIONER SACHS: PLEASE, 
THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR OWEN: WE HAD A MOTION 
AND A SECOND ON THIS ITEM.
CITY CLERK IF YOU'D CALL THE 
ROLL, PLEASE.
[ROLL CALL VOTE]
>> MAYOR OWEN: ALL RIGHT 
ORDINANCE 71-19 IS ADOPTED.
ORDINANCE 74-19 SECOND READING 
PUBLIC HEARING WOULD ALLOW TO 
PUT BANNERS OVER 35 FEET.
CITY ATTORNEY READ THE ORDINANCE
BY TITLE ONLY.
>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE 
CITY OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH LAND 
DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AMENDING
ARTICLE 2 DEFINITION SECTION 205
SIGN REGULATIONS DEFINITIONS.
AMENDING ARTICLE 6 DEVELOPMENT 
DESIGN AND IMPROCHL STANDARDS, 
SECTION 604.12, SIGNS TO ALLOW 
FOR TEMPORARY WALL BANNERS TO BE
DISPLAYED UP TO 250 SQUARE FEET 
ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OVER 35 
FEET IN HEIGHT.
PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, 
PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTING 
ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR 
SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN 
EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
GENTLEMEN, THIS HAS COME BACK TO
US.
YOU MAY RECALL WE HAD A LIVELY 
DISCUSSION LAST TIME, I THINK 
STAFF INCORPORATED THE FEEDBACK 
TO TRY TO PULL THIS BACK TO 
REALLY, REALLY LIMITED SCOPE.
SO, HOPEFULLY WE CAN CRUISE 
THROUGH THIS ONE.
BRIAN, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT?
>> MINOR CLARIFICATIONS FROM 
LAST TIME.
IT'S RESTRICTING TO B-6, MEDICAL
PROFESSIONAL BUILDINGS OVER 35 
FEET IN HEIGHT WHICH WOULD BE 
MEASURED FROM THE EXISTING 
FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION.
TOTAL BANNER AREA CANNOT EXCEED 
100 SQUARE FEET.
FOR EACH 100 FEET OF STREET 
FRONTAGE, NO SINGER BANNER CAN 
EXCEED 250 SQUARE FEET.
BANNERS CAN ONLY BE DISPLAYED 
FOR A MAXIMUM OF 60 DAYS WITHIN 
ANY 12 MONTH PERIOD AND 
PROHIBITED FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL 
USES, HOTELS, MOTELS, CONDOS FOR
ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.
I THINK WE ADDRESSED ALL THE 
CONCERNS FROM LAST DISCUSSION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY THIS IS A 
PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH 
TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC 
HEARING.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS 
ITEM.
>> MOVE TO A PROVE.
>> SECOND.
>> MAYOR OWEN: I HAVE A MOTION 
AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION?
SEEING NONE.
CITY CLERK CALL THE ROLL, 
PLEASE.
[ROLL CALL VOTE]
>> THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR OWEN: ORDINANCE 74-19 
IS ADOPTED.
ITEM E, ORDINANCE 76-19 SECOND 
READING, QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC 
HEARING WHICH WOULD ALLOW AN 
AMENDMENT TO A COUNTY PARK PUD 
TO ALLOW A CAR WASH.
CITY COMMISSION, GENTLEMEN, 
AGAIN, EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS 
STARTING WITH VICE MAYOR KOLODY.
ANYTHING TO DISCLOSE?
>> COMMISSIONER KOLODY: AWHILE 
BACK I DID DISCUSS THIS WITH THE
ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
OR THE APPLICANT, I GUESS YOU 
COULD SAY.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
NOTHING TO DISCLOSE.
I HAVE MET WITH THE -- WITH 
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE 
APPLICANT.
STORCH LAW FIRM.
AND YEAH, THAT'S IT.
>> COMMISSIONER McGUIRK: I'VE 
MET WITH [INAUDIBLE].
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY MR. FIELDS.
YOU'RE STILL UNDER OATH.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THIS 
AMENDMENT?
>> YES.
>> MAYOR OWEN: PLEASE STATE 
WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE
COMP PLAN -- 
>> SORRY.
ORDINANCE 76-19 AN ORDINANCE OF 
THE CITY OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH 
AMENDING THE MATHER DEVELOPMENT 
AGREEMENT FOR COLONY PARK 
CENTER, PROVIDING BUILDING 
SETBACKS AND PERMITTED USES ON 
LOT FOUR AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR 
TO EXECUTE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT 
TO THE COLONY PARK CENTER MASTER
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROVIDING 
FOR CONFLICTING ORDINANCES, 
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND 
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> MAYOR OWEN: OKAY.
>> IT'S A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
THIS IS THE FOURTH AMENDMENT TO 
THE APPROVED COLONY PARK 
PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MASTER 
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THOSE CHANGES, BRIEF SUMMARY AS 
FOLLOWS AND THE APPLICANT IS 
HERE.
ALLOWS A PERMITTED USE OF CAR 
WASH FOR THE EXISTING PLATTED 
LOT FOUR AREA ONLY.
WHICH DOES NOT EMIT OR PRODU
PRO-NOXIOUS FUMES OR GASES.
IT REMOVES THE PERMANENTLY 
PERMITTED USE OF SERVICE STATION
A AND B FOR LOTS ONE AND FOUR 
WHICH ARE THE ONLY UNDEVELOPED 
LOTS ON THE PUD RIGHT NOW.
REVISES LOT FOUR, STATE ROAD 44 
BUILDING SETBACK FROM THE 
CURRENT 45 TO 79 FEET TO A 
PROPOSED 75-FOOT MINIMUM 
SETBACK.
PROVIDED CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT 
PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUILDING 
ELEVATIONS, AND A MONUMENT SIGN 
RENDERING FOR THE PROPOSED CAR 
WASH.
THAT LOT AND MONUMENT SIGN WHICH
THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE
MONUMENT SIGN, SHALL BE AS 
DEPICTED ON THE SIGN ELEVATION 
AS SHOWN IN THE EXHIBIT "F."
ALL OTHER SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS 
REMAIN IN PLACE.
THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS THAL BE 
AS ALSO SHOWN IN EXHIBIT F.
WE UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT IS 
GOING TO PRESENT A VERY MINOR 
MODIFICATION TO THE BUILDING 
ELEVATION.
IF IT'S THE ONE STAFF'S SEEN, 
STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THESE 
MODIFICATIONS.
REGARDING THE CONCEPTUAL
DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE SITE DOES
INCLUDE TWO HISTORIC OAK TREES
IN THE RETENTION POND AREA.
THOSE TWO TREES WILL BE
PROTECTED IF THEY ARE DETERMINED
TO BE HEALTHY.
A RETAINING WALL IS PROPOSED IN
THAT RETENTION POND TO ALLOW
THOSE TREES TO REMAIN
ESSENTIALLY AT THEIR EXISTING
GRADE.
FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, THE
PROPOSED CAR WASH USE IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER
PERMITTED USES ON LOT 4.
AND THE STAFF BELIEVES THAT IF
THE COMMISSION IS INCLINED TO
ALLOW OR CONSIDER A CAR WASH FOR
THIS SITE, THIS ONE IS DONE
PARTICULAR WELL FOR CAR WASHES
IN A NUMBER OF AREAS.
IN TERMS OF SETBACK, THE
75 FEET, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE
SCREENING AND BUFFERING, THE
MERE ACCESS, THEY'RE NOT
CREATING NEW DRIVEWAY, THE TREE
PROTECTION AS WELL AS THE
BUILDING ARCHITECTURE AND YOU
HAVE A LOCAL ESTABLISHED
BUSINESSMAN WHO WILL BE THE
OWNER/OPERATOR OF THE CAR WASH.
IF THE COMMISSION IS INCLINED TO
ALLOW IT, THIS IS ONE THE BETTER
ONES WE HAVE.
THE BOARD VOTED TO RECOMMEND
APPROVAL.
STAFF RMS T RECOMMENDS
THAT THE -- FOLLOWING TWO
CONDITIONS.
ANY APPROVED CHANGES TONIGHT BE
INCORPORATED INTO THE MDA AND AS
WELL AS SECTION 11 OF THE MDA BE
UPDATED TO PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL
SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION
IN THAT SECTION.
WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACT IN
SECTION 11 DESCRIBES A SIGNAGE
FOR LOT 4.
THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO STRIKE
ALL OF THE OTHER SIGNAGE
REQUIREMENTS IN THE PED THAT
REMAINED.
THOSE NEED TO CARRY FORWARD.
WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT AND MAKE
THAT CHANGE.
WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
AGAIN, STAFF RMS APPROVAL.
>> Mayor Owen: ANY MEMBER OF THE
COMMISSION OR THE APPLICANT LIKE
TO QUESTION MR. FORD OR HIS
TESTIMONY?
ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN ON HIS
TESTIMONY FROM THE COMMISSION
FIRST?
>> I'VE GOT SOME ISSUES
REGARDING THE ELEVATIONS.
WHEN WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR
THAT?
>> Mayor Owen: ANY QUESTIONS FOR
BRIAN, APPLICANT, ANY QUESTIONS
FOR BRIAN?
WE HAVE NOT HEARD THE FROM THE
APPLICANT.
>> I REPRESENT THE APPLAY KANT
IN THIS CASE.
AP-- APPLICANT
FOR A CHANGE OF USE.
IT ALLOWS FOR USE ON THE
3.2-ACRE PARCEL.
IT'S THE PIECE OF PROPERTY
THAT'S NOT BEEN BUILT UPON --
RIGHT NOW IT'S BETWEEN A SMALL
SHOPPING CENTER AND THE ALDI.
WE'RE PROPOSING CAR WASH AS WE
INDICATED.
THE NICE THING IS AS BRIAN HAS
INDICATED, THIS IS EXCEPTIONALLY
WELL DONE.
IT'S A $4.05 MILLION
INVESTMENT.
IT WILL HAVE STATE OF THE ART
EQUIPMENT.
IT'S THE ONLY AUTOMATIC CAR
WASH.
THERE ARE NO SELF-SERVICE AREAS
FOR CAR WASHING.
IT HAS TREMENDOUS REUSE AND ROT
OR CONSERVATION MECHANISMS AS A
PART OF THIS AND THAT'S ONE OF
THE REASONS WHY THE EQUIPMENT IS
SO EXPENSIVE.
WE HAVE AGREED TO ALL THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THE STAFF HAS
PROVIDED TO US AS WE'RE WORKING
THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I THINK
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
IT SHOWS THE CALIBER OF MY
CLIENT IN THIS CASE AND HOW
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO
SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS.
THE ACCESS IS OWNED BY A SERVICE
ROAD.
THERE ARE NOISE REDUCTION
ACTIVITIES.
WHEN THIS IS DONE, IT WILL ALSO
ALLOW US TO COMMIT THE SIDEWALK
NOW ALONG 44 THAT IS FRAGMENTED,
SO THE AREA THAT'S IN FRONT OF
MULLINAX AND THE OTHER AREA WILL
BE CONNECTED ALL THE WAY OVER TO
THE HOME DEPOT AREA.
I WILL TALK ABOUT -- I WANT TO
GO AND DO THIS FOR ME.
IT'S LOCALLY BASED.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT LOCALLY
BASED, BUT IT WORKS HARD TO BE
PART OF THE CITY.
CAN YOU COME UP AND TELL US
HOW.
>> WITNESS WAS SWORN.
>> MY NAME IS GORDON.
I AM THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF
SPORTY CAR WASHES.
I'VE BEEN IN THE CAR WASH
INDUSTRY FOR ROUGHLY 25 YEARS IN
SEVERAL CAPACITIESES, A CURRENT
MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL CAR
WASH ASSOCIATION AND THE
SOUTHEAST CAR WASH ASSOCIATION
AND HAVE DONE SO FOR THE LAST 20
YEARS.
CURRENT OWNER/OPERATOR OF THE
SITES.
WORKED AS A BROKER IN THE CAR
WASH REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY FOR
YEARS DEVELOPING SITES ALL
ACROSS THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED
STATES.
CONSULTED WITH MANY OPERATORS
ACROSS THAT TIME FRAME AS WELL
AS A CONSULTANT AND OPERATION
LAYOUT OF SITES, ET CETERA.
SO VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE
DO, VERY SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
I DID WANT TO SPEND A COUPLE OF
MINUTES, IF I MAY, AND JUST LET
YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE A
COMMUNITY-BASED BUSINESS.
IN THE MARKET THAT WE'RE
CURRENTLY IN, WE SPEND A GREAT
DEAL OF OUR TIME.
I HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT
INVESTS A GREAT DEAL OF TIME IN
GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY,
THE CHURCHES AND THE SCHOOLS AND
THE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE CAN
HELP WITH FUNDRAISING THE.
.
LAST YEAR IN OUR MARKETS
RERAISED IN EXCESS OF $20,000.
WE DONATED IN EXCESS OF $10,000
IN WASHES TO COMMUNITY-BASED
ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANTED TO DO
FUNDRAISING OR THINGS OF THAT
NATURE.
WE INVEST A LOT OF TIME IN
MAKING SURE WE'RE INVOLVED IN
THE HIGH SCHOOLS, THE ELEMENTARY
SCHOOLS.
AGAIN, THE CHURCHES.
ANY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT
WANT TO HELP WITH FUNDRAISING,
IT'S A DUAL PURPOSE AS WELL.
ONE OF THE SENSITIVITIES, I LIKE
TO GIVE EVERYBODY, BECAUSE OF
THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT WE
UTILIZE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST
ISSUES WITH COASTAL COMMUNITIES
IS THE PROBLEM OF WASHING ON
PAVED SURFACES, WHETHER IT BE
FUNDRAISING WASHES OR HOME
WASHES WHERE PEOPLE ARE WASHING
IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
ALL OF THAT WATER IS GOING INTO
THE STORM DRAINS.
WITH OUR CONCEPT AND THE TIME WE
SPEND TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE OUT
OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND THE FUND
RAIDING AND THE PARKING LOTS, IT
ALLOWS THEM TO GET TO OUR
FACILITY WHERE THAT WATER IS
REUSED.
WE RECYCLE PLUS WE USE ABOUT
40-GALLONS PER VEHICLE TO WASH A
CAR.
IF YOU WASH THAT SAME VEHICLE IN
A FUND-RAISER OUT IN FRONT OF
BURGER KING OR WHATEVER IT MAY
BE OR IN THE DRIVEWAY, THEY USE
EVERY FIVE MINUTES APPROXIMATELY
65-GALLONS.
THIS ISN'T MY MATH.
THIS IS INTERNATIONAL CAR WASH
ASSOCIATION INFORMATION.
SO WE CONSERVE THAT WATER.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WE
UTILIZE GOES BACK THROUGH THE
SEWER SYSTEM.
IT DOES NOT MIGRATE OUT INTO THE
WATERWAYS, ET CETERA.
IT'S VERY HEALTHILY ESPECIALLY
FOR COASTAL COMMUNITIES.
THERE HAVE BEEN TONS OF STUDIES
DONE.
IT IS A POSITIVE BENEFIT.
WE FOCUS A GREAT DEAL OF ENERGY
THERE.
JUST WANTED TO CONVEY, BORN AND
RAISED IN DELAND, FLORIDA.
LOVE NEW SMYRNA BEACH.
VERY EXCITED ABOUT BECOMING PART
OF THIS COMMUNITY AND BEING HERE
FOR A LONG TIME.
THANK YOU.
>> I SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT WE
HAVE NEIGHBORS AROUND US ON THIS
SITE.
WE'VE WORKED WITH ALL THE
NEIGHBORS AND THEY'VE ALL AGREED
TO THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO ALLOW
FOR THIS TO TAKE PLACE.
WE ALSO HAVE TRIED TO EXPAND AND
IMPROVE OUR BUILDING.
AND SO I THINK IT'S THE
ELEVATION IF YOU WANT TO TALK
ABOUT THAT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT
THAT, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH WE HAVE
AN ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WAS
APPROVED BY STAFF AND IT WAS
FINE, WE'VE WORKED TO ADD TO
NEUM NENEW SMYRNA BEACH
FLAVOR.
WE'VE ADDED A METAL ROOF,
STONES, STONE VENEER.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD
ACTUALLY ADD SOME CHARACTER TO
THE CAR WASH BUILDING ITSELF.
ALTHOUGH YOU'LL HAVE EX
EXEXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING ON
THE SITE, WE CAN, IN FACT, ALSO
PROVIDE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE
WILL MAINTAIN ALL OF THE MATURE
PALMS ON THE SITE AS POSSIBLE.
AND WE'VE CONFIRMED WITH OUR
ENGINEER FOR THE MATURE PALMS IN
THE BUFFER AREA CAN, IN FACT,
ALL BE SAVED AS PART OF WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS PART OF
OUR LANDSCAPING.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE
HELPFUL.
THIS ELEVATION SHOWS A DIFFERENT
COLOR THAN YOU PROBABLY HAD
BEFORE.
IT SHOWS A NATURAL STORM COLOR
FOR THE STONE AND THEN GRAZE FOR
EVERYTHING ELSE AS PART OF THIS
WITH THE TIN ROOF.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS
REGARDING -- OH, I SHOULD POINT
OUT ONE MORE THING.
THE SIGNAGE.
THERE WAS A CONCERN REGARDING
OUR MASCOT, A ZEBRA WITH A
MOHAWK.
SOME FOLKS DID NOT ENJOY THAT AS
MUCH AS OTHERS.
THAT ZEBRA HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED
FROM ANY OF THE SIGNAGE AND SO
THE REGULAR SIGNAGE ON THE PLAN
IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE
PROPOSING.
THE ZEBRA WILL BE IN OTHER
PLACES.
THE BOTTOM LINE WAS OBVIOUSLY I
THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT
ADDITION TO THE CITY OF NEW
SMYRNA BEACH.
WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE TEAM HERE TO
TALK ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS YOU
MIGHT HAVE.
>> Mayor Owen: QUESTIONS FOR THE
APPLICANT?
WE'LL START WITH YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.
GLEN, I SPOKE WITH YOU AND THE
APPLICANT IN DEPTH ABOUT A FEW
DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE WAS TO MAINTAIN AS MANY
EXISTING TREES AS POSSIBLE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A PALM
TREE OR AN OAK TREE.
YOU ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE I THINK
IN YOUR DISCUSSION WHERE SOME OF
THE BIG -- THE TALL PALMS THAT
WERE GOING TO COME OUT AND SOME
OF THE LANDSCAPING AREAS CAN BE
SAVED.
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU.
I ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU GAVE
ME A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
I STRESSED TO YOU I WAS NOT
HAPPY WITH A NUMBER OF THE
PROJECTS INCLUDING THE RV AND
THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
WE WON'T GET INTO WHOSE FAULT IT
WAS, BUT YOU PRESENTED ME A
LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT LOOKS GOOD.
I LIKE THE SETBACK OFF OF STATE
ROUTE 44.
THE ISSUE, WE HAVE FOUR GRAYS.
WE HAD GRAY STONE, GRAY WALL,
GRAY LAP SIDE, GRAY REEF, AND
GRAY WINDOW.
>> THAT'S BEEN CHANGED.
>> AGAIN, WHAT EXACTLY -- I
MEAN, THE MATERIALS -- IT LOOKS
GOOD EXCEPT IT WAS ALL GRAY.
WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED?
>> THE STONE MATERIALS HAVE
TURNED THAT BACK INTO A NATURAL
TAN STONE, SO THERE IS A
CONTRAST FOR THE ENTIRE -- FOR
THE PROPERTY.
>> OKAY.
>> THAT SCOAN WI STONE
WILL ALSO BE USED AS BASE FOR
THE SIGNAGE.
>> BRIAN, I'M KIND OF PUTTING
YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT IN TERMS OF
AESTHETICS, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH
IT?
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO
BETTER IN TERMS OF AESTHETICS?
I KNOW WE DID THE STONE.
I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IN A
MOMENT OF ENTHUSIASM SAID I'LL
PAINT THE WINDOW SHUTTERS RED
AND I SAID NO, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT
GOING TO DO THAT.
THOSE CAN STAY GRAY, BUT I WANT
TO MAKE SURE WE'RE USING NICE
COLORS TO DEVELOP NICE
AESTHETICS.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE STONE
IS GOING TO BE A LIGHT TAN.
I THINK THAT WILL LOOK GOOD WITH
THE GRAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOUR
STAFF --
>> I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE, THE
LOCATION, THE MATERIALS OF
CONSTRUCTION, COLORS ARE REALLY
SUBJECTIVE.
IF THE COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE
WITH THE COLORS, THEN IT WILL BE
FINE.
WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE
RENDERINGS THAT WERE HANDED OUT
AS COMPLYING WITH WHAT WE
DISCUSSED BEFORE.
WE'D EMPHASIZE, THOUGH, THAT
THIS IS CONCEPTUAL IN TERMS OF
TREES AND THE SITE DOES NEED TO
BE ENGINEERED.
I THINK THEY CAN BE IN
SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH
THIS, BUT THIS IS JUST A
RENDERING.
>> THIS DOES NOT COME BACK TO US
AS A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
>> IT WOULD NOT, THAT'S
CORRECT.
>> IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN
COMMUNICATE WITH US IF THE
LANDSCAPING PLAN CHANGES AT ANY
MEASURABLE OR OBVIOUS WAY
LOOKING AT IT?
>> YES.
>> CAN YOU GIVE US A HEAD'S UP
ON IT?
>> WE HOPEFULLY WILL NOT BE
BRINGING IT BACK WITH ANY
CHANGES.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I SHOULD POINT OUT WE'VE PUT
A LOT OF EFFORT INTO MAKING THIS
A PERMANENT LANDSCAPE PLAN BASED
ON THE QUESTIONS.
THAT'S A SURVEY.
IT'S BEEN PRESERVED OR SHOWN
THERE IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, SO
I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CHANGES
REALLY FROM B WHAT WE ARE
PUTTING ON THE SITE PLAN EXCEPT
TO EXPAN THE NUMBER OF TREES
BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT TO
MAINTAIN THE PALMS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: OTHER QUESTIONS
FOR THE CITY BY THE COMMISSION?
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO
WE'LL HEAR FROM ANY MEMBERS OF
THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO
TESTIFY.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH
TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
THIS IS YOUR ONE AND ONLY CHANCE
UNLESS YOU'RE CALLED BY THE
APPLICANT OR THE CITY.
SEEING NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
WE'LL CLOSE THAT PORTION.
ANY CLOSING QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION?
>> MR. MAYOR, HOW MANY PEOPLE
WILL BE EMPLOYED?
>> TOTAL EMPLOYMENT WILL
PROBABLY BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
OF ABOUT 20 EMPLOYEES.
TYPICALLY ON AN AVERAGE DAY
WE'LL HOUSE FOUR ON AN AVERAGE
DAY TO FIVE EMPLOYEES.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: WILL THE QUESTION
OF THE APPLICANT, THE PAY KEY
OSKKIOSK, FOR LACK OF A
BETTER TERM, HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM
44, THAT'S THAT FRONT FACADE OF
THE BUILDING AND THEN THAT BIG
KIOSK ACTUALLY THE CLOSEST THING
TO 44, WHAT DOES THAT -- THE
RENDERING OF THAT, WHAT DOES
THAT AESTHETICALLY --
>> THE STAFF LET YOU KNOW, I'M
MORE THAN WILLING IF WE NEED TO
DO SOMETHING IN THE WAY OF
LANDSCAPING, TO GIVE EVERYBODY
MORE COMFORT, WE'D BE MORE THAN
HAPPY TO DO THAT.
THE AESTHETICS ARE TYPICALLY FOR
LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION
WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE AT SOME OF
YOUR FAST FOODS WHEN YOU HAVE
THE COVERING ARCH OVER THE
MACHINERY, IT'S ABOUT THIS SIZE
AND THIS HIGH.
THERE'S TWO OF THOSE.
>> THE GOAL WOULD BE I THINK TO
NOT SEE THAT FROM 44.
>> YEAH.
>> AND I THINK WITH THE
LANDSCAPING THAT WE HAVE PLANNED
FOR THIS, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE
GOING TO SEE THAT AT 44.
>> Mayor Owen: WE'LL MAKE SURE
IT'S A CHECKLIST ITEM.
COMMISSIONERS, YOUR LAST CHANCE
TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF OF THE
APPLICANT AND WE'LL CLOSE THAT
PORTION AND BRING IT BACK.
NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK.
#ING NONE, BRIAN, I DO JUST HAVE
ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
TRAFFIC IMPACT AND I GET THERE'S
NO CODE ON 44.
THAT'S A GOOD THING.
THE NEGATIVE IS IT PUSHES ALL
THAT TRAFFIC UP TO COLONY PARK
ROAD WHICH IS ALREADY A
PROBLEM.
THAT DISNTS N DOESN'T
NECESSARILY FALL TO THIS PASHES
PARCEL, THAT'S AN UNDUE
BURDEN.
WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR
INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE LET ALL THIS HAPPEN AND THEN
THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS COME AND WE
TRY TO SOLVE THOSE POSTMORTEM.
WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT?
WHAT IS OUR ANSWER AS A CITY
TEAM TO THAT CRITICISM OF
PROJECTS LIKE THIS TO SAY HEY,
YOU NEED TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC
PROBLEM ON COLONY PARK.
AS A GUY THAT SITS AT THE RED
LIGHT, WHAT'S THE RESPONSE?
>> THIS PARCEL HAS SHOWN THE
TRAFFIC STUDY IS A HIGH TURNOVER
SIT DOWN RESTAURANT WHICH WOULD
BE HIGHER TRAFFIC GENERATING USE
THAN WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE.
THE CAR WASH, LOT OF TRIPS IN
AND OUT, VERY A VERY HIGH
PERCENTAGE OF PASS BY TRAFFIC.
FOLKS THAT ARE OUT ON THAT ROUTE
AND DECIDE TO GET A CAR WASH AS
OPPOSED TO SAY I'M GOING TO
DRIVE ACROSS TOWN TO GET A CAR
WASH.
IT DOES MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF
NEW TRIPS ON THE ROAD BECAUSE OF
THIS DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S LESS
THAN THAT HIGH TURNOVER SIT
DOWN.
TO YOUR POINT, THOSE TRIPS ARE
COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT
DRIVEWAY.
>> BY THAT PASS THROUGH AND 44,
BUT NOT COLONY PARK.
THEY'RE NOT PASSING DOWN COLONY
PARK AND DECIDING TO GET A CAR
WASH.
THEY NOW HAVE TO BACK UP ON
COLONY PARK AND THAT FERGHT
OTHER SERVICE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL MP OUT
EMPTY OUT ON TO IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS EXISTING
TO AN -- ADDING TO AN EXISTING
PROBLEM.
THERE'S NO TRAFFIC, SEE NO
IMPROVEMENTS OF A SPOT.
>> WE DO AT FINAL ENGINEERING
EVALUATE THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS
FOR AT LEAST THIS PARTICULAR
PROJECT'S IMPACTS TO DETERMINE
WHAT THEIR IMPACT IS AND WHAT
MITIGATION MAY BE REQUIRED.
SO OUR STAFF DOES GET TO DO THAT
IN DETAIL ON THIS PROJECT.
>> I LIKE THAT IT'S A LOCAL
BUSINESS.
I JUST WILL SPEND SOME TIME ON
YOUR WEBSITE WHICH I HADN'T DONE
UNTIL NOW.
I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE TRULY
LOCAL TO THE DELAND CITY AREA.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I LIKE DOING BUSINESS WITH FOLKS
LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY INTEGRATE
IN THE COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT
OTHERS DON'T.
SO I LIKE THAT, BUT MY CONCERN
WITH THIS ONE IS WE ALREADY HAVE
A PROBLEM THERE.
THIS IS GOING TO COMPOUND THAT
PROBLEM.
I THINK WE OWE IT TO CITIZENS TO
HAVE A PLAN FIRST.
TO WHERE WE SAY THIS IS WHAT
WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WE
PROBABLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT
NOT JUST COLONY PARK 44
INTERSECTION, BUT THE COLONY
PARK SERVICE ROAD INTERSECTION
THAT CROSSES AT THE WHAT WOULD
BE THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE THAT
SERVICE ROAD COMES IN AND THEN
REALLY GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH
THE OTHER SIDE TO THE NEXT ROAD
OVER BY THE NEXT DEALERSHIP OVER
THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE SETTLE
THAT HERE TONIGHT.
THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS.
IT'S YOUR LAST CHANCE TO RESPOND
TO THAT.
>> I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW
THAT WITH THE IDEA OF, FIRST OF
ALL, WE ANTICIPATE MANY PEOPLE
USING THE OTHER ACCESS AS
THEY'RE COMING AND MAKING A
RIGHT TURN IN AND COMING UP THE
SERVICE ROAD.
SECONDLY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE NEED TO FIND SOME WAY OF
MAKING SURE THERE IS NO IMPACT
TO COLONY PARK.
AND SO WE'VE ALREADY CONSULTED
OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, I MEAN OUR
TRAFFIC ENGINEER REGARDING
THIS.
WE LOOK AT THE IDEA OF A 4-WAY
STOP AT THAT SITE.
AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE DEALT
WITH DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW
PROCESS.
THIS ISSUE WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT
WITH.
I'VE GOT JIMMY TO COMMIT.
IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL STOP
SIGNS, HE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE
CARE OF THAT AT THAT TIME.
WE CAN'T DO A 4-WAY STOP AT THAT
LOCATION, BECAUSE IT WILL
RESTRICT TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE
AREA.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE WE MAY WANT TO
LOOK AT A 3-WAY STOP WHERE
THERE'S A BREAK THAT WILL THEN
ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME OUT OR GO
ACROSS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
BUT UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, THIS IS
ACTUALLY A LESS TRAFFIC IMPACT
THAN YOU WOULD HAVE WITH OTHER
PERMIT USES THAT ARE ALREADY
THERE.
THEY DID THE ANALYSIS ON A SIT
DOWN RESTAURANT.
THIS IS FOR A FAST FOOD
RESTAURANT.
McDONALD'S OR A CHECKERS OR
SOMETHING ELSE, YOU HAVE THE
EXACT SAME PROBLEMS.
PEOPLE STILL COME IN AND USE
THAT.
BUT YOU HAVE IN THIS GROUP HERE
A COMMITMENT TO RESOLVE THIS
ISSUE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT IF
THIS IS NOT RESOLVED, IF THERE
IS A PROBLEM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO
HAVE A BUSINESS.
WE WILL WORK WITH THE STAFF ON
SOLVING THAT PROBLEM IF THERE IS
A PROBLEM.
>> Mayor Owen: THE LAST QUESTION
FOR YOU.
I WOULD RATHER GO IN KNOWING
THIS COMMITMENT WE'LL FIGURE IT
OUT, IF AND WHEN.
I TRUST STAFF.
I TRUST EVEN THE APPLICANT IN
THIS CASE.
BUT WHAT ARE THE RESULTS ON THAT
FROM AN APPROVAL PROCESS?
IT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS.
MY RATHER WOULD BE WE PRESS
PAUSE, DO MORE DUE DILIGENCE AND
WE COME BACK WITH SOME TRUE
THINGS.
IS THAT FAIR FROM YOUR VANTAGE
POINT, OR SHOULD WE LET IT --
SHOULD WE -- ARE YOU COMFORTABLE
THAT WE CAN RESOLVE IT
POSTMORTEM?
>> I THINK IT WILL BE ANALYZED
THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS AND
WE CAN REPORT BACK TO THE
COMMISSION AT A POINT OF HOW WE
FEEL LIKE THAT PROBLEM, WHAT THE
EXTENT OF IT IS AND WHAT CAN AND
IS RECOMMENDED TO BE DONE AND
SEE IF THAT'S SATISFACTORY TO
THE COMMISSION BEFORE MOVING
FORWARD INTO A FINAL DESIGN AND
PERMITTING.
>> IF WE WANT TO APPROVE THIS,
THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER -- LET'S
SAY WE DON'T COME UP WITH
SOMETHING THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO
THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC IN
THAT CASE, HAS THE SHIP SAILED?
>> IF THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED,
YES.
BUT TONIGHT IS JUST THE USE.
WITH THESE RENDERINGS AND
CONDITION.
THAT SITE PLAN IS WHEN WE REALLY
LOOK AT THAT TRAFFIC ENGINEERING
AND DETAIL AND HAVE A
RECOMMENDATION THAT COULD BE
BROUGHT BACK TO THE COMMISSION
IF DESIRED.
>> OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
>> Mayor Owen: MY LAST COMMENT,
NO MATTER HOW THIS TURNS OUT, I
THINK THAT THE ZEBRA IS NOT
GOING TO BE A FAN FAVORITE HERE
IN NEW SMYRNA.
CLOSE THE QUESTIONS AND PUBLIC
HEARING PART OF IT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY THE
COMMISSION?
IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON
THIS ITEM?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND.
>> Mayor Owen: DISCUSSION, VICE
MAYOR.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE
USE.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM
WITH THE TRAFFIC.
BECAUSE IF THERE ARE LOCAL
ISSUES, THEN IT CAN BE ADDRESSED
THE BEST IT CAN AT SITE PLAN
APPROVAL PROCESS.
I DO FIND THAT THE DESIGN THAT
HAS BB PUT FORWARD, ESPECIALLY
AS IT IS ON THE ROUTE 44
FRONTAGE, I WISH THAT WE HAD
THIS TYPE OF DWEM 
DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST.
THIS COULD SERVE AS HOPEFULLY A
MODEL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT
ALONG THE HIGHWAY.
>> JAKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY
DISCUSSION?
>> IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY THE
CHANGES THAT WERE PASSED OUT
TONIGHT AS WELL AS THE TEXT
CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSSED?
>> YES.
>> Mayor Owen: THAT WAS A MOTION
AND SECONDED, YES.
THANK YOU, BRIAN.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BY THE
COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM?
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CITY CLERK, IF YOU WOULD CALL
THE ROLL, PLEASE.
[ ROLL CALL VOTE ]
>> Mayor Owen: THIS AMENDMENT
HAS BEEN APPROVED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
KEEP AN EYE ON THE TRAFFIC.
F, PUBLIC HEARING WE WOULD AMEND
THE BED AND BREAKFAST AND ADD
SOME DEFINITION.
>> 7719 ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
NEUM BEACH AMENDMENT DEVELOPMENT
REGULATIONS, AMENDING ARTICLE 2
DEFINITION, GENERAL DEFINITIONS
TO REVISE BED AND BREAKFAST
HOMES AND CONTAINER SHIPPING AND
SHED STRUCTURE.
IN ARTICLE 5, SPECIFICALLY THE
DISTRICT TO CHANGE THE PERMITTED
USE OF BED AND BREAKFAST HOMES
TO CONDITIONAL USE OF BDH, BED
AND BREAKFAST HOMES DISTRICT
PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION,
PROVIDING FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS
PROVIDED FOR ORDINANCES, PROVIDE
ARE FOR SEVERABILITY AND
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
>> Mayor Owen: STAFF REPORT.
>> MINOR UPDATES TO BED AND
BREAKFAST DEFINITION BE
CLARIFIED THAT REQUIRES ONE
PREPARE A FRESH MEAL PER DAY.
JUST TO FOLLOW-UP ON THE SHED
AND CONTAINER STRUCTURE, OUR
INTENT WAS TOTO INTRODUCE THESE,
BUT LET ME CLARIFY WHY WE ADDED
A SHED DEFINITION.
IT SAYS IF YOU HAVE A SHED,
YOU'RE ENTITLED TO A REDUCED
SETBACK IN THE REAR SIDE.
HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T HAVE A
DEFINITION OF WHAT A SHED IS.
SO YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF
LARGER ACCESSORY BUILDINGS,
GARAGES, FOLKS MAY BE ABLE TO
CALL THEM A SHED AND TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THAT REDUCED
SETBACK WHEN IT REALLY WASN'T
INTENDED -- IT WAS ONLY INTENDED
FOR THE SMALLER STRUCTURES.
WE HAVE BEEN ENFORCING A 200
SQUARE FOOT DEFINITION OF SHED
IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR A
LONG TIME.
THAT IS NOT WRITTEN DOWN
ANYWHERE.
WE'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
THE INTENT HERE IS REALLY JUST
TO ESTABLISH THAT DEFINITION FOR
A SHED ONLY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
THAT REDUCED SETBACK.
SO IT'S 200 SQUARE FEET.
WE SET A HEIGHT LIMIT OF
12 FEET.
THE HEIGHT LIMIT COULD BE
HIGHER.
IT COULD BE ELIMINATED
ENTIRELY.
WE RECOMMEND HOLDING THE 200
SQUARE FEET.
IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE ABILITY
TO HAVE A LARGER ACCESSORY
BUILDING WHICH WOULD HAVE TO
MEAN NORMAL SETBACKS ON THE
PROPERTY.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S CLEAR ON
SHEDS.
THAT WAS A VERY SIMPLE INTENT TP
CONTAINER INSTRUCT TERES, WE
HAVE NO DEFINITION.
SOMEBODY COULD COME IN WITH A
CONTAINER STRUCTURE AND IF IT
MEETS CODE, IT COULD BE A
PERMANENT STORAGE BUILDING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STEEL
SHIPPING CONTAINER.
KIND OF INSIGHTLY.
WHAT THIS DOES, IT ESTABLISHES A
DEFINITION AND PROHIBITS THEM AS
PERMANENT BUILDINGS IN THE CITY
AT LEAST UNTIL SUCH TIME THE
COMMISSION WANTED TO HAVE A MORE
FORMAL POLICY ON CONTAINER
STRUCTURES.
THIS DOES NOT AFFECT IN ANY WAY
MODULAR HOMES, TINY HOMES,
MANUFACTURED HOMES WHICH ARE
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE
CONTAINER STRUCTURES.
THOSE ARE PERMANENT TODAY.
THOSE ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THIS.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD THESE
CLARIFICATIONS AND THEY'RE HERE
FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
>> Mayor Owen: THIS IS A PUBLIC
HEARING.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC?
THE PUBLIC IS DWINDLING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE STILL
AWAKE OUT THERE.
ALL RIGHT.
TRANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH
TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
QUESTIONS OF THE PANEL OR
STAFF?
COMMISSIONER SACHS, I COME TO
YOU.
COMMISSIONER HARTMAN, GO AHEAD.
>> AT THIS TIME WE HAVE A
CONTAINER ON SOME PROPERTIES,
COMMERCIAL VENUE I CAN THINK
OF.
ARE THEY LEGAL?
>> THEY'RE TEMPORARY.
YOU GET PERMITS FOR THOSE.
IF THEY OVEREXTEND THEIR STAY,
SOMETIMES CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS
TO TAKE ACTION.
>> AND I HOPE THEY ARE FOLLOWING
UP ON THAT.
I'VE SEEN ONE FOR QUITE A LONG
TIME.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
>> MY QUESTION ON THE
CONTAINERS, WHAT EXACTLY IS
PERMANENT?
IS THERE A DEFINITION FOR
PERMANENT?
>> YOU HAVE TO MEET FLORIDA
BUILDING CODE AS A PERMANENT
STRUCTURE.
IT HAS TO BE ESSENTIALLY
STRAPPED DOWN.
THE TEMPORARY ONES THAT
COMMISSIONER SACHS MENTIONED,
THEY'RE IN THE DRIVEWAY.
IT'S NOT ANCHORED IN ANY WAY.
THAT'S NONPERMANENT.
>> SO SOMEBODY'S ON THE
CONSTRUCTION SITE, THE PROBLEM
ON 44, IF THIS WAS GOING TO BE A
TWO YEAR OR THREE YEAR PROJECT,
I MEAN, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO
USE THOSE AS OFFICE SPACE.
>> Mayor Owen: CONSTRUCTION
TRAILER?
>> ON A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION SITE
WHERE THEY'RE USING A SHIPPING
CONTAINER, AND BASICALLY WORKING
OUT OF IT?
>> OR WHETHER THEY USE IT AS AN
OFFICE SPACE.
>> WE'RE PERMITTING THOSE AS
CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS WHICH IS A
FORM OF TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
THE CONTAINER BE BASICALLY A
STORAGE BUILDING IN SOMEBODY'S
BACK YARD.
YOU DO A TEMPORARY WHICH IS A
MAXIMUM OF 90 DAYS.
IF YOU WANT IT TO BE A PERMANENT
BUILDING, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE
ANCHORED CURRENTLY AND WHAT THIS
WOULD DO WOULD PROHIBIT THAT
FROM A PERMANENT BUILDING.
>> UNDER THIS SHED STRUCTURE, IT
SAYS ANYTHING UNDER 200 SQUARE
FEET.
IF I HAVE A 10 BY 20, THAT
LEAVES ME OUT?
THAT'S 200 SQUARE FEET.
>> YES.
>> SO ANYTHING UNDER A 10 BY
20.
>> UNDER 10 BY 20 YOU CAN TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THOSE 5-FOOT
SETBACKS.
>> OKAY.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I
HAVE.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
VICE MAYOR?
>> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT
THERE IS ONE ADDITIONAL
PROVISION THAT MAKES ALL BED AND
BREAKFASTS A CONDITIONAL USE
WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT, SO I
FULLY SUPPORT THESE CHANGES.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
MY ONLY COMMENT, THE RECIPIENT
TANNER HOMES, YES, THEY CAN BE
UNSIGHTLY.
THEY CAN ALSO LOOK CLASSY.
SO I'D LOAF TO SEE US REVISIT
THAT AT SOME POINT, BUT I AGREE
WITH THIS AS PROPOSED.
STAFF PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO
IT.
IT'S HELPING THEM MORE THAN
ANYTHING.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION?
>> SO MOVED.
>> SECOND.
>> Mayor Owen: CITY CLERK, IF
YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL,
PLEASE.
[ ROLL CALL VOTE ]
>> Mayor Owen: 77.19 IS
ADOPTED.
10 BY 20 IS A PRETTY COMMON SHED
SIZE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE DONE LIKE A
201 FEET OR SOMETHING, PLUS OR
MINUS ON THAT.
>> UP TO 220.
>> I THINK 10 BY 20 WOULD BE TOO
BIG.
>> Mayor Owen: TOO BIG?
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF 10 BY
20s.
THAT ITEM WAS ADOPTED.
WE'RE AT 10:01.
WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS
WHICH ARE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
CITY MANAGER'S REPORT AND I HAVE
ONE ITEM I WANT TO TALK TO YOU
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE.
ALL THAT TO SAY DO WE WANT TO
TAKE A QUICK BREAK OR POWER
THROUGH?
ALL RIGHT.
A QUICK RECESS.
IT'S 10:01.
WE'LL BE BACK BY, LIKE, 10:05.
>> ORDINANCE 81-19, CITY OF NEUM
BEACH, 2.5 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES
OF PROPERTY.
ADDRESSED AS 2565 GLENCOE FARMS
ROAD.
THE CITY DESIGNATED THE PROPER
TO BE COMMISSIONED ZONE FOUR,
PROVIDING FOR PUBLIC HEARING,
PROVIDING -- PROVIDE ARE FOR
SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
83-19, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY
OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH, DESIGNATION
OF 2 1/2 ACRES LOCATED ON THE
WEST SIDE OF SOUTH GLENCOE ROAD
ADDRESSED AT 2565 GLENCOE FARMS
ROAD.
INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY,
PROVIDING FOR PUBLIC HEARING,
PROVIDING FOR ORDINANCE AND
PROVIDING FINISH EFFECTIVE
DATE.
83-19, 2.5 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES
OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH
SIDE OF GLENCOE ROAD, 2565
GLENCOE FARMS ROAD, AN
AGRICULTURE ESTATE, PROVIDING
FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ORDINANCE 84-19, THE CITY OF NEW
SMYRNA BEACH, 7.6 PLUS OR MINUS
ACRES OF PROPERTY.
ADDRESSED AS 1 1086 CORBIN
PARK ROAD.
DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY WITHIN
THE COMMISSION ZONE, PROVIDING
FOR PUBLIC HEARING, PROVIDING
FOR REQUIRED FILINGS, PROVIDING
FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ORDINANCE 85-19, ORDINANCE OF
THE CITY OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH,
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGING THE
FUTURE DESIGNATION TO .76 PLUS
OR MINUS ACRES ON THE WEST SIDE
OF CORBIN DRIVE ADDRESSED AS
1086 CORBIN PARKWAY.
PROVIDING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE --
PROVIDING FOR PUBLIC HEARING,
PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT
ORDINANCES AND PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
ORDINANCE 86-19, REZONING .76
PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF PROPERTY
LOCATED BETWEEN WA  -- A
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING
DRICT. DISTRICT.
ORDINANCE 87-19, ORDINANCE FOR
THE CITY OF N NEW SMYRNA
BEACH, PLUS OR MINUS 2-ACRES OF
PROPERTY, SOUTH GLENCOE ROAD.
[INAUDIBLE]
ORDINANCE 88-19, 2.5 PLUS OR
MINUS ACRES,.
[INAUDIBLE]
ORDINANCE 89-19, ORDINANCE NANCE
OF THE CITY OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH
LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF
GLEN CO SOUTH ROAD --
[INAUDIBLE]
>> Mayor 
>> ALL RIGHT.
GIVE HER A HAND OR SOMETHING.
>> Mayor Owen: THAT WAS
ORDINANCES 81, 82, 83, 84, 85,
86, 87, 88, AND 89-19.
THESE WILL ALL BE HEARD AGAIN AT
A SECOND READING OF PUBLIC
HEARING ON JANUARY THE 14th,
2020.
ALL THOSE WILL BE AT THAT SECOND
READING OF PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY DOESN'T
HAVE AN ADDRESS.
WE COULD ACTUALLY GIVE IT AN
ADDRESS.
>> I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT --
>> A PERMIT NEEDS TO BE ISSUED.
>> Mayor Owen: ALL RIGHT.
ANIMAL CONTROL BOARD, BOARDS AND
COMMISSIONS.
COMPOSED OF FIVE MEMBERS.
THE BOARD MUST CONSIST OF A
VETERINARIAN, REPRESENTATIVE OF
THE HUMANE SOCIETY, TWO ANIMAL
OWNERS AND A CITIZEN WHO DOES
NOT OWN AN ANIMAL.
THE KRNT BOAR CURRENT
BOARD, WE HAVE THE
VETERINARIAN.
IT'S MISSING A CITIZEN WHO IS
NOT AN ANIMAL OWNER.
WE'VE GOT FOUR APPLICANTS, BUT
ONLY ONE OF WHOM IS A NONPET
OWNER.
THAT'S ALFRED.
HE WAS A PAST MEMBER.
BUT THERE IS SOME CONFUSION OF
WHETHER HE IS WITH THEM OR
WITHOUT THE CITY LIMITS.
WE HAVE CONFIRMED.
HE IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
HE DOES NOT OWN A PET AND HE IS
THE ONLY APPLICANT THAT HAS MET
THE CRITERIA NEEDED FOR THAT.
WE REALLY HAVE THREE OPTIONS
AHEAD OF US RIGHT NOW.
GENTLEMEN, WE CAN APPOINT HIM TO
SERVE.
WE CAN WAIVE THE REQUIREMENTS
AND APPOINT ONE OF THE OTHER
APPLICANTS OR WE CAN DELAY THIS
AND WAIT FOR OTHER
APPLICATIONS.
WHAT CAN THE COMMISSIONER'S
PLEASURE?
SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION.
>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO
APPOINT.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT.
WE HAVE A SECOND.
IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL,
PLEASE.
[ ROLL CALL VOTE ]
>> Mayor Owen: ALL RIGHT.
MR. FORKHAMMER HAS BEEN
APPOINTED, REAPPOINTED TO THE
ANIMAL CONTROL BOARD.
MAYOR AND COMMISSION REPORTS.
VICE MAYOR.
>> TWO VERY BRIEF THINGS.
FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND
THE OWNERS OF THE PUBLIC
SHOPPING PLAZA DOWN ON THIRD.
THEY REPLACED AN UPGRADED ALL
THEIR LANDSCAPING.
IT'S REALLY A CIVIC
IMPROVEMENT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IN
THE PUBLIC.
SECOND THING IS, AND IT WAS
ALLUDED TO MANY HOURS AGO
REGARDING TURNING THE
DEVELOPMENT, I THINK WE SHOULD
REAUTHORIZE OUR STAFF TO START
WORKING ON A PLAN TO IMPLEMENT
THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR
PURCHASE.
SPECIFICALLY WITH THE PATHS AND
ACCESS TO THE WATERWAY AND
PERHAPS A DOCK.
>> Mayor Owen: I HAVE NO ISSUES
WITH HAVING STAFF WORKING ON
THAT PLAN AND PUTTING THE
TIMELINE AND PUTTING ALL THOSE
THINGS TOGETHER.
ANY CONCERNS FROM THE
COMMISSION?
>> I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALREADY
WORKING ON TP.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT
DOESN'T GET LEFT ALONE.
>> Mayor Owen: THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER SACHS HAS BEEN ON
TOP OF IT AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S IT?
>> YES.
>> Mayor Owen: COMMISSIONER
SACHS?
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.
LAST NIGHT I ATTENDED THE
SESSION ON -- IT ESCAPES ME.
PLANNING?
FUTURE PLANNING SESSION.
IT WAS A GOOD TURNOUT WITH ABOUT
30 PEOPLE.
I GOT INTO SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH
PEOPLE WITH CONCERNS ABOUT
GROWTH AS WE TALK ABOUT ALMOST
EVERY DAY.
I'M CONCERNED WE'RE TURNING INTO
EXCERPTS WHICH IS PRETTY DENSE
SUBURBS, AND THE URGENCY WAS FOR
THE PRESERVATION OF WETLAND.
THAT WAS PART OF THE
DISCUSSION.
AND I WOULD LIKE US TO GO
FORWARD, ALL OF US KEEPING THAT
IN MIND.
PRESERVATION OF WETLAND.
IF WE DON'T PRESERVE IT, WHEN
THOSE EVENTS OCCUR, THE WATERS
WILL RISE AND ANY AREAS THAT
COULD HOLD WATER WILL NOT.
THEY WILL SPILL OUT, SPILL OVER
ON TO PROPERTIES.
I SEE THE POTENTIAL ON SA
SAXON AVENUE WITH THE NEW
GROWTH.
I SEE THE EFFECTS OF WHAT'S
GOING ON OUT IN THE PROJECT
COASTAL WOODS AND THE EFFECTS IT
HAS.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE
SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW
WE'RE GOING TO CONTAIN WATER,
HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THE
WETLANDS.
I BELIEVE THAT WETLANDS ARE ONE
OF THE INEXPENSIVE WAYS THAT WE
CAN PROTECT OURSELVES AND BE
RESILIENT.
IT'S NOT AN EASY DISCUSSION TO
HAVE, BECAUSE USUALLY IT
INVOLVES MONEY.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO ATTAIN THESE
WETLANDS?
WE MAY HAVE TO BUY THEM OR SEEK
FUNDING.
IT SCARES ME THAT THE LAND IN
THE DISCOVERY CENTER, THERE IS A
PARCEL THERE FOR SALE FOR
POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
I DO SEE THAT COMING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY NO, NEVER.
IN FIVE YEARS WE'LL SEE IT.
SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT
GROWTH.
I STILL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BACK
FLOW PREVENTERS AND ALSO BAFFLE
BOXES TO PROTECT OUR WATERS AND
PROTECT OUR LANDS.
THE BACK FLOW PREVENTERS
PREVENTS STORM WATERS FROM
RISING INTO COMMUNITIES AND THE
BAFFLE BOXES WILL PROTECT THE
OVERFLOW AND OUTFALLS OF ALL THE
STREET WATER AND STORM WATER
THAT RUNS INTO THE INDIAN
RIVER.
THESE ARE WAYS WE CAN PROTECT
OURSELVES.
WE SHOULD DO THEM.
THEY'RE NOT TREMENDOUSLY
EXPENSIVE.
LET'S GET STARTED ON THE PROGRAM
TO DO THAT.
IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT, THROUGH
NO-FAULT OF HIS, THERE WAS AN
ITEM.
IT SEEMS THAT PRIVATE SPACE
INDUSTRY IS AGAIN MISSIONING TO
COME BACK TO SHILOH.
MY INTEREST IN SHILOH IS THAT IT
IS A RESERVE.
IT IS PRESERVED FOR ANIMALS.
IT IS PRESERVED FOR OPEN SPACE.
IT IS NOT PRESERVED FOR A SPACE
PORT.
AND THERE ARE AGENCIES AFOOT
THAT WISH TO COME BACK AND DO IT
AGAIN.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES
WERE NEVER COMPLETE FROM THE
FIRST TIME.
AND SO I THINK THESE AGENCIES
WHICH INCLUDE THE COUNTY WHICH
ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
CONSERVATIONISTS AND IN FACT,
ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY
COUNCIL WAS ON THE INDIAN RIVER
LAGOON COUNCIL, BUT THEY'RE ALSO
ON THE SPACE -- IT'S A NEW
AGENCY, SOME SPACE AGENCY ALONG
WITH SOME PROMINENT ATTORNEYS IN
TOWN.
THEY WISH TO TAKE SHILOH AND
MAKE A SPACE PORT OUT OF IT.
NOW, IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE
INDUSTRIAL SPACELANDS AROUND OAK
HILL.
THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE.
BUT SHILOH, THAT IS WITHIN THE
NARROW DIAMOND NATIONAL WILDLIFE
REFUGE, THE NATIONAL SEASHORE.
ALL OF THAT WILL BE ENDANGERED
BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE ACCIDENT
AND I COULD SHOW YOU JUST GO
AHEAD AND YOUTUBE ROCKET BLAST
OFF ACCIDENTS AT THE KENNEDY
SPACE CENTER.
YOU'LL SEE WHAT TYPE OF DAMAGE
THAT CAN DO.
YOU'LL SEE WHAT HARM IT CAN DO
ON OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR
ENVIRONMENT.
SO I PERSONALLY, NOT AS A
MEMBER, NOT REPRESENTING THIS
COMMISSION, WILL BE VERY VOCAL
AND I'M SURE I WILL LEAD A CADRE
OF PEOPLE THAT WILL OPOSE THIS
EFFORT AND I HOPE YOU JOIN ME.
THANK YOU.
>> Mayor Owen: COMMISSIONER
McGUIRK.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.
JAKE, I'LL TOUCH ON YOUR ISSUE
OF WETLANDS.
I PLAN TO CERTAINLY VOICE MY
OPINION AT THE DISTRICT
VISIONS.
WE KEEP TALKING OUT OF BOTH
SIDES OF OUR MOUTH.
WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE
WETLANDS.
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE
HOUSING, BUT WE DON'T LIKE THE
WAY THE HOUSES LOOK IN COASTAL
WOODS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I HOPE TO
ACCOMPLISH IS BY COMMON GROUND
THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE
PROGRESS IS GOING FORWARD.
BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE
WANT TO HELP THE HOMELESS.
BUT THEN THEY'RE ALL HERE.
WE HAVE A MAJOR HOMELESS PROBLEM
IN THIS TOWN THAT'S ABOUT READY
TO EXPLODE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY
CAN'T -- IT'S GOING TO TAKE OUR
LEADERSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE NOT JUST APPEASING PEOPLE
BY WHAT WE SAY.
I PLAN TO HIT THOSE ISSUES AND
THAT CONCEPT HARD AT THE
STRATEGIC PLANNING.
MAYOR, YOUR MENTION ABOUT THE
TRAFFIC ON THE -- REGARDING THE
CAR WASH, I AGREE 100%.
SAME THING THAT HAPPENS WITH
WALMART ON THAT ACCESS ROAD ON
THE WEST SIDE OF IT.
IT BACKS WAY UP.
I CAN TELL YOU IN THE MANY YEARS
I'VE BEEN WITH PLANNING AGENCIES
AS A CITIZEN OR AS AN ELECTED I
CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PLAN IS TO
BACK IT UP ON THE PRIVATE
PROPERTIES.
KEEP THE ROADS OPEN.
ARTERIAL ROADS.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS A
GOOD THING.
WE TALK ABOUT CURB CUTS.
NOT HAVING THEM.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT CONCENTRATES
ALL THAT TRAFFIC ON TO ONE
SPOT.
SO THE IRONY IS THIS.
I FOUND OVER THE LAST, SAY,
THREE TO FIVE YEARS TAKING U.S.
1 TO DAYTONA WAS ACTUALLY FASTER
THAN TAKING THE ROAD WHICH IS A
BEAUTIFUL SPRAWLING WIDE OPEN
ROAD WITH ALL THE LATE EXPEFT
LATEST AND GREATEST
TECHNOLOGIES.
WHEN I FINALLY BROW BEAT
TRANSPORTATION EXPERTS TO THIS,
I GOT THEM TO CONCEDE THAT
TRAFFIC IS NOT THEIR NUMBER ONE
GOAL.
IT'S SAFETY.
IT DOES ACTUALLY TAKE LONGER TO
GET UP TO DAYTONA ON NOVA THAN
U.S. 1 THAT HAS ALL THE CURB
CUTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
AVOID.
I DON'T FEEL MORE SAFE ON NOVA
THAN I DO ON U.S. 1.
SO GOING BACK TO WE HAVE THESE
EXPERTS WHO ARE TELLING US
WHAT'S THE BEST PRACTICES AND
I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THEY'RE
NOT -- SOMETIMES I THINK THEY'RE
NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.
SO SOMETIMES WE MAY NEED TO
CHALLENGE SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
AND FINALLY, WHAT I WANT TO SAY
IS I WANT TO GIVE A HUGE SHOUT
OUT TO, GOSH, EVERYBODY.
CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, CITY STAFF.
WE HAD AN ONGOING ISSUE FOR
YEARS ON A STREET CALLED CANARD,
A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
SO MANY PEOPLE, THE ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE, CHRIS REALLY PUT SOME
WORK INTO IT.
EVERYBODY REALLY WORKED HARD TO
TRY TO GET THIS THING RESOLVED
AND WE DID.
WE GOT IN THERE AND WE CLEARED
THIS PROPERTY OUT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERSON WILL
PROBABLY JUST BRING MORE STUFF
BACK.
BUT WHAT A FANTASTIC EFFORT.
AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY
WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THAT.
THAT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS FOR CODE
ENFORCEMENT, WHICH OF COURSE YOU
GUYS GET BEAT UP A LOT.
WHAT WE DON'T SEE DONE.
SO HUGE WIN FOR US ON THAT
ISSUE.
AND I'M HOPING ALONG WITH THE
HOMELESS WE'RE GOING TO TIGHTEN
UP SOME -- MAYBE GET SOME THINGS
PASSED THAT HELP US GET SOME OF
THESE THINGS ACCOMPLISHED ON THE
MORE AGGRESSIVE AND QUICKER IN
THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU, MAYOR.
>> Mayor Owen: BEFORE YOU GO,
RANDY.
IT'S 10:22.
WE HAVE TO EXTEND THE MEETING
BEYOND 10:30, RIGHT?
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE
EXTENDING THE MEETING NOT TO
EXCEED 11:00 P.M.?
>> YOU CAN DO TWO 15 MINUTE
INCREMENTS, SO TO 10:45 AND IF
YOU STILL NEED MORE.
YOU GUY KS DO WHATEVER YOU
WANT.
>> Mayor Owen: CAN I HAVE A
MOTION NOT TO EXCEED BEYOND
11:00 P.M.?
>> SO MOVE.
>> Mayor Owen: CALL THE ROLL.
[ ROLL CALL VOTE ]
>> Mayor
>> THANKS, STAFF FOR ALL THE
HARD WORK THEY DID AT PINELLAS
PARK.
IT REALLY LOOKS NICE.
YOU SHOULD GO OUT AND LOOK AT
IT.
AGAIN, STAFF'S PARTICIPATION,
POLICE, FIRE, EVERYBODY AT THE
PARADE, I THINK EVERYONE ENJOYED
THE PARADE, INCLUDING THOSE IN
THE FRONT WHO WERE TOSSING CANDY
IN HUGE ARM LOADS.
SO A BIG STAFF FOR ALL THEIR
HARD WORK AND ESPECIALLY THOSE
WHO FOLLOWED UP THE NEXT DAY
WITH THE CLEANUP.
I KNOW OUR STAFF WAS INVOLVED IN
THAT.
THANK EVERYBODY ON THAT.
WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY HOLIDAYS IF
WE DON'T SEE EVEN OTHER
THURSDAY.
HOPE YOU HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAYS
AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT YEAR.
>> Mayor Owen: ALL RIGHT.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS.
COMMISSIONER HARTMAN TALKED
ABOUT THE PARADE, A SPECIAL
THANKSES TO ALL INVOLVED,
ESPECIALLY THE GROUPS AND
VOLUNTEERS THAT ORGANIZED A
CLEANUP AND WENT BEHIND AND WE
ALREADY GOT AN EMAIL.
I THINK SHE SENT IT TO ALL OF
US.
WE HAVE AN EMAIL IN OUR INBOX
FROM LINDA WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS
ABOUT MAKING IMPROVEMENTS AND
SHE HAD SOME GOOD IDEAS.
IT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS.
WE HEARD ROUSING THINGS.
IT REALLY IS SOMETHING TO BE
PROUD OF, SOMETHING WE CAN BUILD
ON.
SO VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND
THANKS TO ALL INVOLVED FOR
MAKING THAT A SPECIAL THING FOR
OUR COMMUNITY.
ANOTHER THING TO SAVE THE DATE
FOR JANUARY 20th NEXT YEAR,
THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS.
THAT WILL BE FOR NEW SMYRNA
SPECIFICALLY.
IT WILL BE HELD HERE AND WE HAVE
SOME NEAT THINGS PLANNED.
I HOPE IT TO BECOME ONE OF THE
MOST ATTENDED EVENTS IN THE
CITY.
APPROXIMATE
RECOGNIZING SOME READ LEADERS IN
THE COMMUNITY, LONG-TEAM
LEADERS.
STAFF WILL TALK TO EACH OF YOU
ALL.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO
WORK ON.
I WORK UNDER CARRIE'S
ADVICEMENT.
WE MAY COORDINATOR PRESENTATION
TYPE STUFF.
SO I'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH CARRIE
AND MAKE SURE WE STAY OUT OF
SUNSHINE VIOLATIONS.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO TOUCH
ON WAS THE SALES TAX.
THE HALF PERCENT SALES TAX THAT
HAD COME UP FOR VOTE LAST MAYOR
WHATEVER IT WAS.
THAT HAS COME BACK, AMAZINGLY.
IT CAME BACK UP IN THE MAYOR'S
ROUND TABLE.
I SPOKE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF LAST
TIME, NOT ON BEHALF OF THE
ENTIRE COMMISSION.
SO I DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK
WITH AUTHORITY ON BEHALF OF THE
COMMISSION TO THE PUBLIC, THE
OTHER ELECTEDS AT THAT ROUND
TABLE.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR A DEEP,
DEEP DISCUSSION, BUT BASICALLY
WHAT I'VE HEARD KIND OF RUMBLING
IS TRYING TO PUSH AND GET THIS
BACK ON THE -- THIS COMING UP
BALLOT IN 2020.
WHAT SOME OF THE ROUND TABLE
BROUGHT UP WAS IT INCLUDED, I
THINK THAT'S A GIANT MISTAKE,
AND I THINK AT A MINIMUM IF THIS
COMES BACK UP, IT SHOULD COME
BACK UP IN 2022 AND WE HAVE A
LOT OF THINGS TO ADDRESS BETWEEN
NOW AND THEN, INCLUDING THE
TRUST AND THE PROCESS WE GO
THROUGH TO DO IT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS -- ANYWAY, IT
DOESN'T MATTER.
SO I GUESS I JUST WANT AGAIN TO
BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF
THE COMMISSION ON THIS WITH
AUTHORITY.
SO LET ME PUT THE 83 THIS WAY.
 QUESTION THIS WAY.
IS THERE SUPPORT FROM THE
COMMISSION?
WOULD YOU SUPPORT BRINGING IT
BACK, TRYING TO PUSH TO GET THIS
BACK ON THE 2020 BALLOT?
COMMISSIONER HARTMAN?
>> NO.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
COMMISSIONER SACHS?
>> NO.
>> Mayor Owen: VICE MAYOR
KOLODY?
>> NO.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
SO I GUESS WOULD THERE BE
ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE THAT
A -- WHAT TYPE OF THING DO WE
NEED TO CLEAR TO WHERE THAT
WOULD BE --
>> I THINK IN MY OPINION THEY
NEED TO INTELLIGENTLY FIGURE OUT
WHY THE VOTERS HAVE DENIED IT
AND I THINK THEY NEED TO HAVE A
BETTER PLAN IN PLACE BEFORE THEY
BRING IT FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S
2020, 2022, OR 2024.
I THINK I SEE A DYSFUNCTION OF
PEOPLE, SOME LEADERSHIP WHO ARE
SIMPLY DENYING, PUTTING THEIR
HEAD IN THE SAND SAYING THEY
DON'T WANT TO FACE THE FACTS.
>> Mayor Owen: YEAH.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I SAID.
>> WE TRIED TO RUSH IT LAST TIME
AND IT DIDN'T WORK.
TRYING TO RUSH IT AGAIN IS NOT
GOING TO WORK AGAIN.
I THINK YOU'RE JUST GOING TO
MAKE THE VOTERS EVEN MADDER.
>> Mayor Owen: COULDN'T GREE
MORE.
>>  AGREE MORE.
>> BEFORE THEY BRING THAT BACK
UP, THEY HAVE TO VISIT THE GAS
TAKS  TAX PORTION AND
BRING IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND
TRY TO MAKE THAT MORE CURRENT.
>> POSSIBLY ESTABLISH SOME TRUST
BETWEEN THE ELECTEDS AND THE
RESIDENTS.
>> Mayor Owen: MY COMMENT THAT I
MADE AT THE ROUND TABLE WAS TO A
PRETTY SILENT ROOM, ONE OF THE
FEW THAT STUCK THEIR NECK OUT TO
SPEAK AND MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T
HAVE, BUT BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT
I SAID.
THE VOTE -- I DON'T THINK THE
VOTERS -- THERE'S NO DENYING THE
NEEDS.
EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE NEED.
I DON'T THINK THE VOTERS DENIED
THE NEED.
THEY DENIED THE PEOPLE WHO
BROUGHT THIS TO THEM.
THAT'S THE DIVIDE.
IF WE DON'T ACCEPT THAT AND IF
THE SAME PEOPLE BRING IT BACK IN
2020, I AGREE, I THINK PEOPLE
WHO VOTED FOR IT LAST TIME WILL
VOTE AGAINST IT THIS TIME IF
IT'S NOT IMPROVED.
SO THAT'S MY SENTIMENTS
EXACTLY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
ON THE SAME PAGE.
I WILL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE
COMMISSION A LOT, BUT IN THIS
CASE I DID WANT TO SPEAK WITH
SOME AUTHORITY IF IT CAME BACK
UP.
THIS IS SOMETHING THEY LOOK FOR
ALL THE CITIES TO COME TOGETHER
ON AND HAVE UNIFIED STATS.
>> LET ME ARTICULATE WHAT I
THINK IS THE PROBLEM.
CITIES WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE
APPROVAL MONEY AND START
SPREADING IT AROUND.
WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IS THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO GET TAXED,
WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY SPECIFIC
PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO GET
FIXED SO THEY CAN T TANGIBLY
LOOK AND SEE AND FEEL WHAT THEIR
TAX DOLLARS WENT TO AS OPPOSED
TO GETTING A TAX AND KIND OF
HAVING THIS BROAD VIEW OF
TRANSPORTATION AND WATER
QUALITY.
AND THE PEOPLE DON'T TRUST
THAT.
THEY WANT TO SEE TANGIBLE, REAL
PROGRESS IN WHAT THEY'RE PAYING,
WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE PAYING
TAXES FOR.
>> YEAH.
THE BOND ISSUE APPROVED,
ESPECIALLY IN NEW SMYRNA AND I
HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHY IT
PASSED OR FAILED IN NEW SMYRNA
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I CAN'T RECALL.
OUR COMMUNITY'S PROVEN THEY'RE
WILLING TO TAX THEMSELVES FOR
CONSERVATION MEASURES.
THEY DIDN'T GET A DIRECT BENEFIT
LIKE THEY WOULD WITH THE SALES
TAX.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY IN A
PLACE LIKE -- FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT THE
MONEY.
I THINK IT'S BREAKFAST HOMES
BROADER THINGS.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT
GUIDANCE.
MY HOPE IS THAT WE'LL GO AT
LEAST FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT
NOW I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF
THIS COMMISSION ON THAT ITEM.
AND THAT'S IT.
CITY MANAGER REPORT.
>> THE REPORT ITSELF IS
SELF-EXPLANATORY.
I MIGHT HAVE MADE A PRESENTATION
WITH THE CITY BY THE BAY.
THE CITY PROJECT REPRESENTS IT
IN THE CITY REPORT.
FOLLOW-UP THE OFFICE OF SENATOR
TOM WRIGHT ASKED US TO COME IN
AND GIVE HIM SOME MORE BRIEF ON
THESE FOUR PROJECTS WHICH WE
WENT TO HIS OFFICE AND WE DID.
THE OTHER ITEM ON THE LIST IS TO
TALK ABOUT AIR GATE.
AIR GATE IS A BUSINESS THAT HAS
BEEN AT THE AIRPORT FOR THE PAST
NINE TO TEN YEARS, SUCCESSFUL
BUSINESS.
THEY RECENTLY HAD A TRANSFER
COUPLED WITH THE HURRICANE AT
THE BAHAMAS THAT HAS AFFECTED
THE BUSINESS FINANCIALLY.
THEY'RE BEHIND IN THEIR RENT.
I SPOKE TO INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT
THAT.
THE OWNER MADE A PAYMENT FOR THE
MONTH OF DECEMBER.
ONE ISSUE WAS RAISED IS ABOUT
SALES TAX.
THE OWNER FEELS THAT THE
BUSINESS SHOULD BE SALES TAX
EXEMPT.
SO WE MET A COUPLE TIMES.
THE LAST MEETING WAS TODAY.
THE OWNER HAS ASKED THE CITY
ATTORNEY AND FINANCE TO WORK
WITH THEM EX TO SEE WHERE WE'RE
AT IN TERMS OF THE SALES TAX
EXEMPTION.
IF FOR THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A
SALES TAX EXEMPTION, THAT MIGHT
COVER UP WHAT HE SAID WITH US.
IF NOT, BIJA BY JANUARY 14th
, WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU
WITH A PLAN.
IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,
I'LL BE THEEP  BE
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> Mayor Owen: I ASKED HIM TO
BRING THIS UP.
HOPEFULLY THE BUSINESS OWNERS
AND THIS CITY HAS BEEN THROUGH
SOME STUFF.
BUT IT PROBABLY IS IMPORTANT
THAT WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY ON THE
WHOLE THING.
AND THAT WE -- IF YOU HAVE
CONCERNS OR ISSUES, YOU CAN TALK
ABOUT THAT HERE.
BUT MY DEFAULT STANCE IS WE HAVE
A GOOD BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP WITH
SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN A GOOD
COMMUNITY PARTNER AND MY
UNDERSTANDING IS HAD NO PRIOR
ISSUES LIKE THIS OVER THE PAST
NINE TO TEN YEARS.
THIS TRULY IS EXTENUATING
CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND IN MY PRIVATE LIFE, THESE
ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE YOU STEP
UP AND YOU WORK TOGETHER AS
PARTNERS IN EXTENUATING
CIRCUMSTANCES.
THAT'S MY STANCE AND I LIKE TO
APPROACH THAT.
VICE MAYOR, YES?
>> I AGREE WITH ALL THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ARREARS
TAKEN CARE OF AND ADDRESSED BY
THE END OF OUR FISCAL YEAR.
WITH REGARD TO THE SALES TAX,
THOSE MONEYS WERE COLLECTED AND
TURNED OVER TO THE STATE.
SO ONCE THIS ISSUE IS RESOLVED,
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANY CREDIT
SHOULD BE GRANTED ON BEHALF OF
THE CITY.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE WORK
THROUGH THE STATE ON THAT.
>> Mayor Owen: WE'LL HAVE TO GET
SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT.
WE REMIT TO REMITTED
IT TO THE STATE.
AS TO HOW TO GET IT BACK FROM
THE STATE --
>> HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE AND THE FINANCE WORKING
WITH THE OWNER AND WE'LL GET IT
RESOLVED BEFORE THE NEXT
MEETING.
>> ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN
ANSWER RESOLVE THAT SALES TAX
ISSUE?
>> WE'RE HOPING WE WILL HAVE AN
ANSWER FOR YOU BEFORE THE NEXT
MEETING.
>> OKAY.
I WOULD BE REMISS TO POINT OUT
THAT NOT HAVING AN ISSUE LIKE
THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED AND IS
NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE LIKE
THIS WITH THIS OWNERSHIP.
WE HAVE HAD AN ISSUE LIKE THIS
WITH THAT COMPANY.
SO I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
GOOD CLARIFICATION.
OKAY.
CITY MANAGER'S REPORT?
>> ONE COMMENT.
GOING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER
SACHS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE SPACE
PROJECT DOWN IN THE SOUTH
SHILOH, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT
THAT EITHER.
BUT THERE WAS NICE REPORTING
THERE CONCERNING THE SPACE
INDUSTRY AND THAT WENT THROUGH
AND PROMOTED CERTAIN PROPERTIES
THAT WERE IN DAYTONA, SO ON AND
SO FORTH.
NO MENTION OF OUR 104-ACRES THAT
SITS ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK
AND I THINK IT WAS REMISS THAT
THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THAT REPORT
REPOR AND I WILL LIKE TO
SEE TONY SPEAK TO HIM AND
ADDRESS THAT.
>> WE TALKED TODAY AND WE'LL GO
BACK TO THE COUNTY AS WELL.
>> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN
OVERSIGHT, BUT IT WAS A BIG ONE
FROM OUR STAND POINT.
THA
>> Mayor Owen: OKAY.
I THINK AS A BODY, OBVIOUSLY,
I'VE HAD ENOUGH PROBLEMS IN MY
BACK YARD WITHIN OUR CITY
LIMITS.
BITING OFF AND TAKING STRONG
STANCES ON STUFF HAPPENING MILES
AWAY AND PROBABLY NOT THE BEST
USE OF OUR TIME AND ENERGY AND
POLITICAL CAPITAL, BUT THAT'S MY
TWO CENTS.
>> I AGREE.
MY CONCERN IS WE WERE LEFT OUT.
>> Mayor Owen: I AGREE WITH THAT
CONCERN FOR SURE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL TAKE
UP.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE MANAGER
REPORT, CITY CLERK'S REPORT?
>> YES.
I'M VERY HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THE
HIRING INTERNALLY OF JERRY
HALL.
SHE'S OUR NEW ASSISTANT CITY
CLERK AND HER FIRST ROLE
COMMENCES THIS COMING MONDAY, D.
>> Mayor Owen: EXCELLENT.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
AND TO HER.
CITY ATTORNEY REPORT.
>> NO REPORT TONIGHT.
>> Mayor Owen: ALL RIGHT.
NO OTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING
IS ADJOURNED
