RB: Hello and welcome to
"Something More."
I'm your host, Ryan Bruss
and I'm here with
my good friends,
Doctors Dennis and Jen Clark,
who I know very well.
And let me tell
you a quick story.
These guys carry
so much peace.
We went to Israel together
for a tour with Sid Roth,
and it was awesome.
And the way all
the tickets work,
I got to sit right
next to you guys.
And it, was it
was glorious.
So, and I'm
being very serious.
They carry so much
peace and they're going to
release that later in
the show that I don't
sleep well on planes.
It was about a seven-
or eight-hour flight.
And as you
guys can witness,
because you thought
I usually do that.
And as I'm just
sitting with you guys,
I was out [snaps fingers],
just like that and slept
the whole way there.
Same thing happened
on the way back.
And it's because they
carry such a presence
and a peace with them.
I'm being very
serious with you.
I've never slept so
well on a plane before.
They probably wanted to
talk and have some fun.
But I was out, and you
guys carry a real presence
of God with you
and, and Dennis,
you've been doing this.
You've been teaching
this for quite a while,
discerning, discerning
what God is saying to us
in us, through us.
And where did this all
start with discerning 
Spirit sense? How did this all
start with you?
DC: Well, for me, it was
right at conversion and
being filled with
the Spirit, I could discern
the human spirit.
That's what I learned
that it was later. 
RB: Yeah.
DC: And it was so easy to
feel what was on people's
words, not just the content
of the words, they
could say nice
words with a smile,
and I'd feel hostility
coming from their spirit.
So, it's a, it's a, inner
knowing, but it's touch.
RB: Now Dennis, what do
you mean by the
human spirit?
DC: Okay, I'm
talking to you right now,
but there's
another part of me.
That's right. What,
what are you saying?
What does that mean?
DC: The source.
RB: Oh.
DC: In other words, the
nature that's attached to
everyone's experiences
where someone's
complimented them and
you didn't feel it was sincere,
RB: Like, um, okay, yeah.
DC: How come it doesn't feel
right? Because what was
attached was, was negative.
And actually, every
believer has this at a
measure and has
experienced it,
but probably no one's done
any personal training.
They go to tell somebody
about Jesus, and they
perceive that their words
are falling to the ground.
RB: Right? Yeah.
DC: Then there's others
that you- the same person
telling someone else
about Jesus and you
feel like a vacuum
cleaner. They're drawing
in your words. What
you're actually discerning
is the condition of
the heart, whether
it's receptive or
whether it has a wall.
RB: Now, as
powerful as that is,
and I want more of
that for my own life as a
pastor, you guys teach
that you can discern
what's going on within
yourself based on this
whole teaching
you guys have,
you kind, you
kind of coined it,
"Dropping Down."
And how we can discern
what God is doing in us
and what He wants
to do through us.
And you really, Jen, you
really had an encounter
with God by, Dennis,
teaching you the how-to's.
JC: Right, Right.
What really amazed me was
as soon as he talked about
the location of the
heart and the seat of the
emotions, my mind
instantly went back to the
scripture where
Jesus himself said,
"Out of your belly will
flow rivers of living water."
So, it clicked theologically.
But the most exciting
thing for me,
the very first time
Dennis prayed for me,
he said, "Close your
eyes and go to your heart,
not your physical
heart, your heart,
and yield to Jesus in you."
And then I felt the
presence of God and he
said, "What you're feeling,
there's the peace of God."
He said, "Now yield more."
And he said, "That little
joy bubble you're feeling,
that's the joy
of the Lord."
We can tap into the
fruit of the spirit;
I'd never known the fruit
of the spirit as something
more than a
mental concept.
RB: Yes. Boy, you have
a doctorate in what,
what is it in theology and-
JC: Psychology.
RB: And psychology. So,
you had a lot going on
up here, admittedly.
Admittedly.
JC: [Laughter] Yes.
RB: And by the way,
they're going to be
teaching later on the
program how you can drop
down and you can
receive your healing.
You guys have books
out about receiving your
healing by dropping down,
receiving forgiveness
for yourself,
forgiving others.
We're going to talk
about that later.
But I interrupted you
because I wanted people
to understand that you
had to get past this.
JC: Past my head.
RB: [Laughs]
Because you are a
very intelligent lady,
and you had to get past
that whole thinking that
it's all up here.
JC: Right, right.
RB: So, explain again in
more detail how you
bypass what your
mind's trying to say.
JC: Right. You get
to your spirit.
JC: Yes. It's by
change of focus
because everybody
listening can do this.
Now, most people when
they hear somebody
talking, they're listening
with their head. Right.
But if you
include your heart,
this is what Dennis
calls dual awareness.
You can actually
listen with your head and
function from your
heart at the same time.
Oh, this is so funny. I've
got to tell this story.
RB: Yeah.
JC: Okay, so another
time he was teaching me,
and we were praying
together. He had me
in the presence of God
and now he said,
"Stay there and
open your eyes.
And it felt kind of creepy.
[Laughter]
The presence
of God was so strong!
RB: Right, right.
He said, "That's how you
want to learn to live.
You want to live
with your heart open,
touching the presence of
God."  And His believers,
of course, that's how you
abide. That's how you
learn to practice the
presence of God.
RB: Exactly and Dennis,
you guys have a book.
I forget the name
of it. Something about
24 /7 Presence, 24 /7.
Well, it's a little,
it's a little book.
And I read that, and I
could not believe how
quickly the presence of
the Lord came in by doing
what you say in
that little book.
Now, I asked you
one time, how do you,
how do you encounter
that on a regular basis,
His presence? And
you say you don't
come out, you stay there.
[Laughter]
DC: Yes. Yes.
The most important thing
is you quiet the flesh.
We use the scripture when
we're training people.
"Like a weaned
child with its mother,
I have quieted my
soul within me."
It's not that God's not
speaking or there's not an
awareness constantly,
including availability to
His peace. His peace
is always there.
We leave the peace.
He didn't leave.
He's there. And
without learning to
quiet the mind, the will,
and the emotions, not-
you don't
annihilate them.
RB: Right.
DC: But you
learn to quiet them.
Then your- scripture,
like we say,
"Draw near to God and
He'll draw near to you."
I have too many people
that I say, "How do you
do that?" They go.
They go to Heaven.
I say, "No, no, no,
no, no, no.
Draw nigh to God would be
to sink into- All right,
and then He draws
like a, like a magnet,
He draws you." Just
like the prodigal
coming back to the father-
RB: Yes!
DC: -the father ran to him.
You draw night unto to Him,
He comes running
to you. But it's internal.
The Kingdom of
God is within.
See, that's the key.
And when we come
back, they're going
to teach you how
to walk in deeper
love, joy, peace.
The fruit of the Spirit
should be flowing in you
and out of you and
around you all from here.
And they're going to teach
how to get rid of some of
those toxic emotions.
I mean, we could do
20 shows on all this,
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but now they're going to
teach you how to get rid
of that junk that's in the
way that's causing you to
not feel that
love of the Father,
the love for one another
and the joy of the Lord.
So, we'll be right back.
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RB: Welcome back to
"Something More!"
I'm here with Doctors
Dennis and Jen Clark,
and, you know, in Galatians
five, it talks about how-
"Walk in the Spirit
and you
won't fulfill the
lust of the flesh."
I mean, really, if you
cut out most of the New
Testament, which is not
the right thing to do,
that's all you need for
living pure and holy,
just walk in the Spirit
and you won't do what
your body's screaming to do.
DC: & JC: Right.
RB: So, let me ask you
guys a question.
We started talking about
freedom in the Spirit,
so we need more of that
love and joy and peace,
self-control,
patience, kindness.
We need it
flowing out of us.
But we live in a
world that's not loving,
that is very chaotic
and anxious.
So how do we begin to
drop down what you're
going to teach us?
You're going to lead them
through in a little while.
How do we get to that
place where fruit of
the Spirit is so real for me
and then I can release
it to others?
DC: Well, practice
makes permanent.
So, a little saying that
we do and it's that dual
awareness that Jennifer
was talking about.
Being able to
function from your mind,
but from your heart, but
if you're going to teach
somebody, we use
Galatians 2:20 and this
is the way God impacted me.
Galatians 2:20 says "It
is no longer I who live."
And I watched even pastors
argue over the word, "you."
One part says,
apart from Him,
you can do nothing.
When they say "you,"
they're talking
your flesh.
RB: Yeah, another
one says "you."
They're talking about
the new creation reality,
the new creation.
Reality is the real "you."
So, it's "No longer
I who live.
But it's Jesus, the
Messiah who lives in me."
Wow, that suggests
that it's no longer I
who lives, it's no
longer I who loves,
it's no longer I who forgives,
RB: That's good, that's good!
DC: It's no longer
I who work, and
Philippians 2 says,
"For it is God who is at
work to will and to do."
RB: It's not Ryan trying so hard
to love. It's like you said,
it's God Jesus
taking that place.
DC: And to disciple
somebody quickly in that
as you teach them that
it's basically two words,
yield and surrender,
yield, and surrender,
and drop down.
JC: And it's relaxed too.
[Laugher]
DC: Relax for men, it's relax.
RB: Right, exactly.
DC: And interestingly enough,
men have been kind of
taught not to pay too
much attention to their
emotions, but you need
the emotions to be
conduits for the fruit
of the Spirit. So, it
was basically teaching
men to just say, relax,
what do you feel?
And I go, "Nothing!"
RB: Nothing, good.
DC: Good, it's good.
Nothing is good
compared to- there's
people would give
their life savings to
feel nothing. [Laughter]
RB: Yeah, to feel nothing.
So, when you teach on
the fruit of the Spirit,
there's obviously things
standing in the way,
toxic emotions
woundedness,
trauma, unforgiveness.
So, how- and you teach
that's where you
got to start- so, how
do I, how do I begin
to drop down and
take care of first
things first?
DC: Well, once you
feel a negative emotion,
which is the source of
anything that's going
to come out.
RB: What if I don't know,
what if the person out
there doesn't know why
I'm always so frustrated?
You know, what I, why
am I always so anxious
or worried or fearful?
DC: Well, you just
um, close your eyes.
Allow yourself to ask,
"God, where'd, where'd
that come from?" It's
not that complicated.
"Where did that come from?"
RB: Because you're not
listening from here anyway.
RB: Because you're
listening from here exactly.
Yeah. Yeah.
DC: And it's so good to be
instead of figuring it out
or self-analysis or
navel staring, instead
you are being God
searched instead
of self-searched. And
that's an important
distinction to make
known because
people confuse the two,
your self searching.
You don't know;
you didn't make you,
I'm going to go to the one
that made me and-
JC: So, He'll show you.
DC: He'll show
you every time.
RB: Yeah.
DC: He doesn't want to
hide anything from you.
David said, "Search
me, oh God
for anxious thoughts."
RB: That's good.
DC: What kind of thoughts?
Anxious thoughts,
hurtful choices,
hurtful ways.
RB: And Jen, with
your background.
A lot of scientific
research. I mean, a
lot that God's really
used you in that area.
These toxic emotions that
we're not dealing with
that are hindering the
flow of the Spirit are not
just affecting my insides,
are affecting my body,
my, my mind.
JC: Right, right.
First, you need to
consider where
did toxic emotions
or negative
emotions come from?
Well, at first
in the garden,
Adam and Eve only felt
the fruit of the Spirit
in their emotions.
Then toxic emotions
came in when sin
came in. So right there,
you could tell which
kingdom you're
operating out of.
RB: That's good.
JC: Have you gotten in
enemy territory or God
territory? So, you'd
feel His peace.
Well, we're made,
as you could say,
a closed, like a closed
feedback loop system
with our mind. This
is our thinking brain.
And down in your gut
that's your emotional
brain and these
two are in a system.
The way we get into God's
Kingdom is we open our
heart to Him and
then He's in the loop.
But in the natural,
in your physical body,
these two systems are
connected by one nerve-
called, the
left vagus nerve.
RB: I told you she knew
what she was talking
about by the way.
[Laughter]
JC:- that forms in
embryonic development.
And what actually happens
is, in the embryo, you
have a clump of what
will be your neurons,
your brain tissue, your
nerve cells, and it splits
and migrates to your
head and to your gut.
RB: Wow.
JC: And this becomes your
thinking brain and your
emotional brain down here.
And it is a separate
nervous system called the
enteric nervous system.
And it's connected by
the left vagus nerve.
But the vagus nerve does
not send information from
your brain to your gut,
your gut sends information
to your brain so your gut
or your heart tells your
thinking brain
how you feel.
RB: So it effects-
JC: It does- if effects your
body-
RB: -physically, emotionally,
JC: -because the way
that your emotions are
communicated are by
tiny molecules called
neuropeptides in the
surface of each one of
your cells it's sensitive
to those molecules.
RB: Wow!  It's all connectedx.
And so, you have
receptors on the cells
that take the emotional
information and pull it
into the interior of the cell.
So, we could say that
the negative emotions of
childhood become the
diseases of adulthood
because all that
affects our body.
But when Jesus touches it
and heals you or washes
out a negative emotion,
not only do you get that
negative emotion removed,
but now physical health
can begin to manifest.
RB: Now, I know
you're receiving this
even as we're talking.
And when we come
back, we're going to have
Doctors, Dennis and Jen,
pray for you and teach you
how to drop
down for yourself.
This- you don't have to
have anybody with you.
This is something that
you can do by yourself
and begin to release-
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the toxic, toxic emotions and
receive God's love and joy.
I'm telling you,
if you'll receive this,
you will never be
the same again.
We'll be right back.
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RB: Hello, welcome back to
"Something More,"
I'm here with Doctors
Dennis and Jen Clark,
and I love being with
you guys because I
feel, I feel at ease. I
feel peaceful because
you guys exude that.
You carry that.
And, you know, one of
the things that a
lot of Christians have
trouble with, I know
as a pastor, I face
this all the time with
people, is that they're
not good receivers.
They know good teaching.
They know God loves them.
They know about the
joy, of the Lord, but they
don't know how to
receive it. Talk about
that for a few minutes.
DC: Yeah, that was one
of the first things I learned.
Various functions
of the human spirit,
when God took me to the
School of the Spirit,
which He wouldn't let
me go to Bible school
instantly, which I
wanted to. He said, "No,
I'm going to take you to
the School of Spirit."
The first thing He did
was He had to take a
hyperactive Dennis.
RB: Yes.
DC: Who is a pacer, a
talker, and sit still. Oh,
that just about killed my
flesh, which was exactly
what God was
trying to do-
RB: Right.
DC: -was kill my flesh.
But I learned that when
I close my eyes and
I would sense His
presence down low. That
I would get a
little antsy and then
I'd want to open my
eyes. I'd want to walk
around and pray out loud,
and the Lord kept saying
basically, "Shut up."
[Laughter]
DC: You know. Oh, God. Oh.
And it was like and then
He started discipling.
He was using Isaiah fifty.
"I will give you the
tongue of a disciple.
And it's so that you will
have a word in season to
them that are weary. But
until you hear something
Dennis, you don't have
anything to say."
RB: Right, right.
DC: I'm going, Oh, He's
trying to tell me I need
to listen and quit
talking because we're,
we're better at talking
and quoting scripture
than we are hearing.
RB: Right.
DC: So, I, I learned that
I had to receive from
down here and quiet my
flesh like a weaned child
with its mother.
And see, I mean,
I could discern Jennifer
was doing it while
I was saying this
just now. And what you
did was you dropped
down in your spirit
and you're
in receptive mode.
RB: Wow. Wow.
DC: And I know pastors that
have altar ministries,
they struggle with this,
too, because they have
people who are praying
in the Spirit.
RB: Exactly!  Yeah, yeah.
DC: While you're trying to
impart, well, you can't
give and receive at the
same time!
RB: I think you actually tell
the people when you pray, right?
DC: Yeah.
RB: Just, just be quiet.
DC: Yeah.
RB: Just be quiet.
DC: And even if you have
to put your hand down here
and open the
door of your heart.
JC: But you're drinking in,
when you receive.
DC: You're drinking in the
anointing while you're
listening with your head,
you really can do both at
the same time.
RB: Right. Right.
DC: But it's almost like
until that instruction
takes hold to where
it becomes normative,
they need to be reminded
over and over again.
JC: Yeah.  I did.
DC: Receiving was a
function of the Spirit.
That to me was a
marvelous function of
my human spirit.  That I
had the capacity, the
only thing that had to
be acquired was learning
how to still my mind, will,
and emotions from going
off on tangents.
RB: And Dennis,
like you said earlier,
practice makes permanent.
And so, I know for me,
when I put these things
into practice
like you've taught,
it gets easier every
time I begin to live there
instead of visiting there.
JC: Yes, yes.
DC: Exactly. The key is,
people would even say,
"You know, Dennis,
we do the "Drop down.'"
But what I'm saying is I
would like to take you
further into "Stay down!"
[Laughter]
RB: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.
DC: And it's like drop
down is only because your
flesh wants to operate
independently of that
union of the real
you joined together,
one spirit with Him.
RB: Wow! I tell you what, can
you guys just pray into the
camera, teach people
briefly again how to
drop down and, and then
whatever you feel to pray
over and pray with them so
they can immediately
put this into practice.
DC: Actually, the easiest
thing, if you're listening
and you're going to
learn this, the first thing
you could do, and it sounds
a little corny at first,
put your hand
down on your belly.
It will help you focus.
And you're not going to
throw your brains out,
but you're going to sit
there and listen to me
with your, with your
mind and if you consent.
Then you can yield
there. There's people
in the room here- are
doing it, you can
discern there's a yielding
and a surrendering.
So now anything that would
take place now would be
functioning out of
that dual awareness.
Now, if you would have
something negative
when you drop down.
The way you would
do it then was,
forgiveness removes
any barrier and
what are we doing?
Well, the Lord
spoke to me,
"Dennis, remove anything
that comes between what
you and I have together."
And that's what we
want to do for you.
We want to remove
anything that's coming
between you and your
Jesus. So, anything that
robs you of peace is
interfering. It's interfering.
And so. Well, how
do I get rid of that?
If, if I've got
something interfering,
something negative,
anxiousness, or hurt or
anger or
there's just a wall,
some people
just feel a wall.
Then what you do
is you let Jesus,
the forgiver in you-
now remember, you!
I'm talking about
the new creation. You!
You and Jesus are
forgiving from the heart.
And you go to that wall
and through that wall and
here is the key. How do
I know if I did it?
How do I know if I'm not
just listening in my head?
There will be a
supernatural transaction
that takes place, a
supernatural exchange,
and you will have your
own know so down here,
know so. not know so here.
It'll communicate to this,
but the know so down here
will be where there was
anger, hurt, a wall.
It is now peace. And you
can't make peace,
you can't make the
fruit of the Spirit.
That required the grace
of God and a
supernatural exchange.
So, once you feel that
supernatural exchange,
you're back in union and
communion with God and
your mind and your heart.
The reason you feel
peace is that everything's
intact, nothing's missing,
everything's in harmony.
Your mind and
your heart are one,
and you're abiding in Him
until something comes up
and distracts
you from that.
RB: And I want you to
learn to practice that
every day,
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any time you feel
anything come up,
drop down, get in a place
of peace with the Lord.
And I'm telling you,
everything is about
to change for you.
Thank you for joining us
on "Something More."
We'll see you next time.
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