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For your information...
This podcast was recorded two days before GeekFam released their Dota 2 Division...
Inc. Xepher.
This is quite surprising for me...
Because Xepher gave no clue about this situation...
And the podcast situation went on as usual...
Hopefully, we can get an insight and inspiration from Xepher...
Who gave his time of his life to fly Indonesian flag high in International scene...
Enjoy my fifth episode of #NgobrasDota2 (Chit-Chat with RosesaGaming about Dota 2)
With Kenny "Xepher" Deo.
[Intro Music]
Hello Friends, welcome to #NgobrasDota2 Eps. 5.
Finally, I had a chance to have a chit-chat with...
One of best Dota 2 4th Support Player in Indonesia and also one of the best in SEA
Who were played for Malaysian Team...
which called Geek Fam... Here we have, Kenny Xepher Deo.
Hello, Bro. How are you?
Xepher: Hello! I am Fine.
Rosesa: Good to know that. Before that...
Xepher, Congratulations for grand opening of your Mineski Internet Cafe...
Rosesa: Hopefully...
Xepher: Yes
Rosesa: it will be blessed, smooth and full of customers
Xepher: Amen...
Rosesa: How's the Internet Cafe situation right now?
is it getting crowded or what?
Xepher: Its pretty good so far...
Rosesa: So Good ya...
Xepher: Not too quiet nor too crowded
So.. Its ok la
Rosesa: Ok yaa
Rosesa: But what happened yesterday?
Why the drains got leaked?
Xepher: Hahaha I don't know why the water pipe got leaked suddenly...
Rosesa: That's why I was surprised...
Why it get leaked, its even happened on midnight...
and you can't contact the repairman...
Xepher: No one picked up my phone, there were no 24-hours repairman...
Rosesa: Btw, regarding your internet cafe which is related with your game that you played (Dota 2)
Rosesa: Nah...
Xepher: Yes...
Rosesa: Last time I saw before play ESL ONE Thailand, you were the champion...
[Girls and Boys dancing behind Xepher]
... Champion... Eh Hello! Who's behind?
[Laugh together]
Xepher: There are Wibun and Edelyn.
Rosesa: Aaa... Wibun, Edelyn, hi!
Its okay if you want to show in front of camera...
Xepher: Hey Wibun, come to in front of camera!
Rosesa: Its okay...
Xepher: Reveal your face, Wibun!
[Edelyn and Wibun appeared on Camera]
Rosesa: Hi! How are you?
Wibun was my workmate at ONE Esports (as chat moderator)
Xepher: Oh, at One Esports (SEA League)?
Rosesa: Yes at ONE Esports (SEA League)
Btw related to ONE Esports, I kinda too late to congratulate you, but...
Congratulations for your back-to-back Champions at ONE Esports and BTS!
Xepher: Thank you!
Xepher: Thank you.
Rosesa: What's make interesting is...
once ONE Esports SEA League concluded...
and you were became the champions of the event and Raven is released and transfered to Fnatic...
How big the effect with and without him?
Xepher: The effect is huge...
Because...
It is very hard to find a very balance Carry like Raven.
Rosesa: then?
Xepher: And...
Raven in Overall...
He is trustworthy Carry for us...
No matter how hard the game, he can carried us...
And... And its very difficult to find the replacement...
Rosesa: Okay, so few days after Raven got released...
There was... I don't know but from what I heard...
There were few players...
that rumoured to join Geek Fam...
Xepher: Yes...
Rosesa: And finally in few final days before the event begins...
Abed was announced as Stand-in...
Xepher: Yes...
Rosesa: Why choosing Abed?
Xepher: Because nothing else...
Rosesa: Oh, nothing else?
Xepher: Yes, its forced...
Because we were offered [CENSORED]
And then [CENSORED]
preferred to join [CENSORED]
Rosesa: Oh, Okay...
Xepher: and then...
we offered few more players...
like Natsumi, vtFaded...
and all of them said...
they wanted to have a commitment with their team until [the end of] ESL ONE Thailand...
So maybe its kinda too late we asking them to join...
maybe he hesitated with his friend...
I don't know...
Yes, so overall we have no player...
which is natural Carry...
we were confused, and finally like 'oh okay...'
Abed is now available, let's ask him...
Rosesa: Yes. Also, I saw your team's performance...
was 3 wins and 2 loses...
I mean 3 straight-wins before get 2 straight loses...
Versus Neon [Esports] and versus...
SAG..
Xepher: SAG, right?
Rosesa: Yes, SAG...
What's the effect of having an Abed on groupstage matches?
compared to RAVEN at ONE Esports event?
Xepher: Excuse me, what kind of effect?
Rosesa: What's the different (for effect) between Abed at ESL ONE Thailand
and Raven at ONE Esports?
Xepher: hmm the effect different was...
So Abed has a good individual skill...
But in my opinion, he is lacked of experience as a Carry...
compared to Raven...
Because as a carry, Raven can set a command to his team-mate...
and can ask his team-mate to do something when he is getting stronger...
while from Abed side, we...
He is giving more information than a command...
Rosesa: Okay so he is prefer...
Xepher: So overall he is...
the different is from the experience (as a carry) for...
farming situation, Abed did it fast...
If refers to farm patterns, he knows it very well...
He became rich and he is good at the battle...
So he is very good...
the level as a carry is almost same with Raven, but...
But... But... the level is very close related to battle skill...
as you know he is mid-player based...
While from my view, Abed's Teamfight is kinda....
better compared to most of carry in current SEA scene...
Its from my view... Because I saw that the battle skill level (in SEA scene) is still not good
Rosesa: And then regarding Karl...
in ONE Esports SEA League there was a comment from... who was he...
Oddie from his commentary...
"He (Karl) is...
only has two conditions...
Either he is very good in-game
or he is very noob. Is the statement correct?
Xepher: Oh actually that statement was from me...
Rosesa: Oh okay from your statement haha...
Xepher: There were so many questions about that...
When karl first time...
when...
Before we won SEA championship for the first time...
Karl game mode is either between God-Mode or Dog-Mode...
Rosesa: God-Mode or Dog-Mode ya...
Xepher: Yes
Rosesa: BTS was the first time you grab the trophy right?
Xepher: Eh, its even before we won a trophy...
Xepher: way before BTS event...
Rosesa: oh before BTS events...
Xepher: I told that before that event (related to God-Mode or Dog-Mode), and...
In the end, there were more God-Mode...
compared to Dog-Mode. I think its like 80% God-Mode...
When we got back-to-back SEA champions...
I think Karl's Skill is very rare as a Dog-Mode...
Maybe 10% was that mode...
So he is God-Mode more than Dog-Mode...
Rosesa: Was it also influenced by Raven so Karl got carried by him?
Xepher: Eh actually not at all - if regarding to God-Mode or Dog-Mode...
actually the influence came from 4 of us (Xepher, Karl, Kuku, Whitemon)
So the carry has no relationship at all..
Rosesa: So its better back to every individual, right?
Xepher: Yes...
Because most of midlaner got help from his support...
or his offlaner due to the rotation...
or even from himself...
So I think there is no relationship (in carrying person) with Raven...
Rosesa: Ok, if you have any chance to hire or hijack a carry player...
from any team to fill vacant slot...
which one will you prefer at?
Xepher: I prefer rtz because I am a big fan of him! Hahaha
Rosesa: Hahaha, So you can learn directly from him ya?
Xepher: Yes..
Rosesa: But if from SEA scene itself...
who would you prefer to?
Xepher: Hmm its difficult...
Rosesa: Okay, let me remember it first. When you joined Geek Fam...
You join with Mushi or not?
Xepher: Joined together with Mushi?
Rosesa: Yes, was it?
Rosesa: Because there was someone asking...
Xepher: Oh, back then...
I was played with Mushi together...
like 3 months before with Dubu and Kuku...
Rosesa: Eh then...
Xepher: We get nothing at all...
Rosesa: Is there anything wrong from his leadership or something?
or was it influenced from his past team?
Xepher: What do you mean?
Rosesa: I mean...
Its kinda, from my own perspective its kinda toxic or something...
Xepher: Who is he? Mushi?
Rosesa: Yes, Mushi
Rosesa: The way he leads the team...
Xepher: Hmm... Mushi is one of perfectionist person. But...
from my own perspective...
Mushi is really...
Mushi is (really) good.
And he taught me so many things...
So its kinda like...
Maybe if you can see my good performance...
When I am at Geek Fam right now...
I can safely to say 70% its from Mushi...
Because I learned from Mushi a lot...
So overall I put my high respect to Mushi...
Rosesa: Because from my perspective as someone who never play at pro scene...
or as a fans be like " Oh this is toxic" or anything...
But you get it as an opposite, with give a high respect to him ya...
Xepher: Yes, because...
If I am not play together with him...
maybe my (in-game) knowledge will not at this point...
Rosesa: Okay, If I want to have a throwback...
to 2018 when you were at TNC Tigers...
And it was a moment... I can say that moment almost made proud...
Indonesian fans, because you and inYourdreaM...
almost qualified to TI.
But somehow you were not qualified because...
from what I remembered was it was only...
one more tower to be destroyed (having a mega creep situation)
then its gone...
How was your feeling back then?
Xepher: I was so sad... once it ended I run to...
my bed room and cry a lot...
Rosesa: Yes, why?
Xepher: Because it was so close...
But yeah it is what it is...
If we see from the mentality, I can say that they were a better team (TNC Predator)...
Because I felt that...
when we were on 2 barracks advantage...
I can see that my team-mate mental position...
is not like when we were destroyed 2 barracks...
it was different...
They were starting happy and enjoy...
But... But we were not winning yet...
Rosesa: I see, its looks like just take it off like that...
so... you were hit by that comeback...
Xepher: Yes, maybe our focus went different...
that's why we lost by comeback...
Rosesa: Yes. Okay from what I remembered that you were played at...
RRQ, TNC Tigers, and Geek Fam. Maybe there was more...
Which player that you give most respect or adored at?
and which one is very good to play with as a partner?
which one from all team-mates that you played with..
Xepher: Indonesian only or other regions as well?
Rosesa: Indonesian okay, as well as foreigner...
Xepher: Indonesian player... I preferred...
Whitemon, I think...
Because Whitemon...
he is easy going when we discuss (in-game discussion
Even if we both together at the same place. Its looks like...
very suitable to play with...
He is also very ___ or anything
and for the second player, I chose...
inYourdreaM.
Rosesa: inYourdreaM?
Xepher: Ya, overall I love his personality and everything...
But don't run away la (to the other teams) every single time hahaha
Rosesa: Hahaha\
Xepher: He always runaway from team (move quickly)
Rosesa: Oh really?
So its like move move and move ya?
Xepher: Ya but it was a past, and now is very rare la...
and when at T1 he proved that he can stay for a long time...
Rosesa: How about foreign players?
Xepher: Foreign Players...
which one that I want ya...
For me the best foreign player as a team-mate was at Geek Fam...
Rosesa: Raven?
Xepher: Raven, Kuku...
... Karl, they are the best team-mate la...
Rosesa: because you were also played with Dendi as well...
and MoonMeander as well...
I mean who knows that you can played with Dendi and MoonMeander?
Xepher: Ya for team-mate is possible, but if coach I prefer Mushi...
Rosesa: And then, as you have an experiences for playing at Indonesian and International scene...
Xepher: Yes
Rosesa: So what's the different and what is the main positivity...
between you play at Indonesian home and play at International scene? What is the plus point?
The different was the gameplay discussion...
But from training overall same...
we played 2xBo2...
And between Bo2 there were a discussion...
Rosesa: Yes
Xepher: So overall from Training side is same...
But there is a different from in-game discussion...
Maybe the knowledge from the players just like that...
Knowledge, or experience, or whatever...
Its kinda hard to explain, but the quality is.
Sometimes Indonesian Player quality is...
they have lack or very small of quality...
Maybe most of the discussion is because of...
Individual mistakes and most of them are aware of...
But if foreign players is most of the case are from in-game mindset...
Like what should he do...
its about big picture...
Rosesa: So talking about the difference from Indonesian and Foreigner...
So Indonesian Dota 2 scene is want to comeback...
Like The Prime Esports, NGID, and AG (Army Geniuses)...
from your opinion... which teams...
that I said before and others except BOOM Esports...
that will improve?
and why?
Xepher: I think Army Geniuses...
Rosesa: Yes. Why?
Xepher: Because as we can see from the players...
I think the player quality is pretty good...
Maybe they are need...
strategy, and...
knowledge.
But if we can see from Individual players...
They are ok.
Rosesa: Then, ee...
Xepher: The Carry is good, the midlane is ok...
There are many... for me its okay...
That's all from me... I think if I can say...
Indonesian number 2 is Army Geniuses...
Rosesa: AG for now?
Xepher: Compared to NGID and The Prime Esports...
Rosesa: Okay, is there any possibility for Army Geniuses to catch BOOM Esports?
Xepher: I think it depends on AG itself...
If there is possibility, it will be. Why not?
But depends of the players itself.
Because the hardest thing...
to be in competitive scene is when you feel that your team is already strong...
And it will be even harder when you think that you already strong, then how can you improve to be even stronger?
Rosesa: and then e...
Xepher: When you were from nothing to casual and then to pro...
its easier, let's say that...
you fill an empty glass...
its easy, but when the glass is full...
how to make that glass to be even bigger?
so we can fill the water again...
So that's the example..
Rosesa: Then, regarding the difference...
let's take a look when you played for Indonesian team and International team...
Andrew Tobias asked a question for you...
What is the different in terms of player contract when you play at Indonesian team and foreign team?
Which one is better?
And what is the advantages between it?
and then... yes that's all ...
Xepher: Overall the contract is same...
Contract is same, i.e. the end will be The International...
have same punishment as well...
and then the salary payment is same...
maybe the difference is someone get the salary at the end of the month, while others at early month...
so the overall is same...
there is not big different for the contract...
But maybe the difference is the language of contract...
So one is English and others is in Bahasa Indonesia...
Rosesa: Yes, because foreign team wrote in english la, its impossible to write in local (Bahasa Indonesia)...
Xepher: Yes what if they wrote in local language? I am confused then...
Who is the translator? If they use Google Translate then I got headache la when I read it...
Rosesa: but did you learn about the contract one-by-one?
or even contact the lawyer to discuss the contract?
Rosesa: for special case
Xepher: Oh usually I ask my friend to read (the contract). Because...
I can say that...
I kind of careless...
So...
And it also the mistake of some of pro-players...
when they just entered the scene...
They don't care about the other details, but...
they only care about the money details inside, that's all...
But for myself, I prefer to...
asking a help from my friends (reading the contract) because...
There are so many things that I can't see but my friend can that is the problem...
Rosesa: Okay, so you were lost...
I mean unlucky because you were in Lower Bracket and then play against Fnatic and lost 2-0
Xepher: Yes..
Rosesa: What was wrong on that match?
Xepher: Hmm maybe from effort...
We...
we were like more...
between effort or we just lost like that...
its kinda like we are don't understand how to play Dota...
Rosesa: Really, Bro? like that?
Xepher: I mean playing dota as a team...
And when I was watch the replay...
Its kinda like WTF we were playing without thinking...
That's all so we just do it at all...
There were no patience, and not thinking about timing...
Rosesa: So its looks like you were really play just like that?
Xepher: What?
Rosesa: I mean you said that you even don't know how to play Dota as a team...
So you play carefree...
like let it go or how?
Xepher: Yes. we think that... I don't know I also confused...
so if I can stay our performance was not stable, then its correct...
So actually not because there is no Raven or there is Abed, but...
because the key of Geek Fam is four of us...
So just like if we play it on right track...
Like if our performances like at ONE Esports or BTS
whoever the carry is...
we can perform better compared to recent one...
Rosesa: And then...
Xepher: from what I see is our movement is not good...
we lost anything, we lost our laning, everything not good, like...
we were have more individual error...
That individual errors were too much for me...
So yeah, it is what it is. And also we were not train etc.
Rosesa: Ok, talking about tournament, let's talk about Dota 2 tournament...
like ONE Esports, and ESL its from 3rd party and not from Valve...
May I have your opinion about...
What Valve did about this scene, I mean...
There were no clue about TI, and there were no clue about DPC...
and there were no news at all, what do you think?
[Valve released the statement 2 days after this podcast recorded, link on description]
I think...
since this pandemic is unclear...
till when...
But at least, choose the date la...
that's my view...
The problem is...
These players lost their motivation...
like you just do online tournament...
and then no TI, no Valve tournament...
I think the pandemic getting better...
I mean from everything close to open...
Ya... Just predict la...
when the date is wrong, then postpone it...
While comparing to...
we don't know when. or maybe there will be no show next year...
no one knows...
I confused. Now what's the player motivation?
Rosesa: I see.. That's why...
Xepher: That's why every single player's dream is playing at TI...
And now we don't know when TI will be held?
Now, how can we start to play in serious mode?
For what?
Rosesa: right..
Xepher: and for SEA Online Tournaments...
it also still unclear when it will be held?
That's why if there is any...
if there is any date... Like let's start a Major at this date...
When there is no pandemic, Valve can make it clear...
This majors and minors at this and that dates...
oh maybe, let's put the range on 2-3 months between the majors...
So there will be a motivation for players to play...
But if like this, then it will be a random feels.
Now, if you want to be the best...
And suddenly there are no game in next month...
What you wanna do?
That's why there are so many players that lost their motivation because of that...
And maybe...
this is not my excuse or anything...
Maybe this is one of the reason why...
GeekFam's performance has decreased, from my view...
when a player is left the team...
and then now we play for what?
There is no TI...
Maybe...
from my view...
I really wanted to win, but...
the performance was really bad at that time...
Rosesa: Ah, I think it also influence Reality RIft's decision to...
disband their Dota 2 Division...
What do you think about that decision?
Xepher: Well...
if you see from owner's side, what is the benefit?
Xepher: To keep the players...
Rosesa: Nothing...
Xepher: Nothing, and they paying the players only? Yes.
Even if they won a title...
There will be no effect to go to TI...
Most of Esports Team Owner aims TI is the ultimate Goal...
Now, if there is no TI, then there will be no benefit...
nothing at all..
Rosesa: That's Right
Xepher: But we can't say Reality Rift do something wrong...
But I feels bad to the players...
Suddenly they lost their job...
Rosesa: That's correct. AFAIK, two players are released...
and the other two are still in contracts, but I think it still uncertain...
how's there future...
Except Drew, because RR only have 4 players remaining...
Xepher: Yes...
Rosesa: Maybe my last 2 questions for you, Kenny.
If you can build your dream team...
that can play together with you, who do you think?
Rosesa: Four Players...
Xepher: What
Rosesa: Let's say If you asked to build your dream team...
and you play as 4th support...
who will be the other four?
Xepher: I want Arteezy as carry...
I want MIracle- as my Midlaner...
or Topson...
But I think Topson is more suitable because...
Arteezy is kinda greedy and so Miracle-...
So I think Topson is suitable...
3rd position should be Zai, I think...
Zai is..
is the most flexible, he can carry the game...
can create space as well. And also he can be an offlaner that...
sacrifies himself...
and he also has high mechanical skill...
that's 3rd position for zai. And the 5th support...
For 5th Position, I prefer Puppey...
Rosesa: Puppey...
Xepher: No matter what...
Even though Team Secret have not good performance at TI, but...
If you see that, broooo....
Their journey road to TI is godlike, really...
Rosesa: Kinda bloody eh?
Xepher: Maybe you can talk that...
Notail, won 2x TI, right?
But...
Doesn't mean that if you play with Arteezy, Topson and I also Zai you can go to TI..
Its a gambling situation right?
While Team Secret...
They (he, Puppey)  have less risk compared to other captains...
So overall I prefer for having Puppey as the captain of the team...
Rosesa: Okay, this is my last question...
What is your hope for Dota 2 scene in Indonesia
Or is there anything that you wanna say to the viewers of this podcast?
For Indonesian scene, if you really want to...
be a pro and competitive pro player...
I think...
Don't give up.
be confidence...
and the most important is...
If you really want to improve...
You have to remember that you have to enjoy the game...
when you enjoy it, everything will be easier...
your mind will be fresh because you enjoy the game...
If you play with stress..
then you'll hate the game...
and I think it will block your willing to improve...
So, don't forget to enjoy the game, guys. Because on my MMR range, there are so many...
They forgot that they have to enjoy to play Dota 2...
and not being tilted...
Let's say, we play MMR for what?
to improve our mechanical skill, and not for...
the number, well the number is also needed but...
we don't really care how far our teammates...
but how good are we...
Life is on our hands, not at the others...
Even though its a team game...
If you have a potency to be a great player...
from your noob environment...
you can get out from that environment and get offer from other teams...
in this Dota 2 is easier than Dota 1. In Dota 1 you should have a connection...
have inside connection, and now you can show your  diploma only, High MMR means diploma...
to prove that you are really good...
That's from me. So...
Don't forget to enjoy the game...
And...
There are so many pro player who are thinking about others than themselves...
Don't forget that its for you as well...
no matter how noob is your teammates...
Don't think about that. The important is you are good...
Remember that, because from myself also...
I have escaped from the environment...
to reach this point, I left everything. I left my friends...
And this also...
this job is not easy as you thought...
This is competitive, guys. Suddenly there are...
There are good players and talented...
And also there are good players, talented, and also try hard players...
As you can see that this is really use our brain and reflex, but this game also...
this game can set our mentality as well..
so make sure you also have strong mental...
That's all from me...
Don't forget for pro players, don't (ever) aim (yourself) to be the best in Indonesia...
But aim to go to The International...
So, if there are less Indonesian Team...
then set your aim to The International...
Maybe that's all from me...
Rosesa: Kenny, there are so many questions that I wanted to ask to you, including...
from fans but it also included...
But I think its enough since our deal is 30minutes only. Thank you so much Kenny for your time...
Xepher: Oh, Okay :D
Rosesa: Yes...
Rosesa: I apologize we have to rescheduled many times because the problems from my side...
Xepher: And also from your side, well I think its reasonable because you just opened your ICafe...
Thank you so much and congratulations for the grand opening of your icafe...
Xepher: Thank you
Rosesa: I wish all the best for you, Whitemon, and everybody who are still play Dota...
I hope this will be...
really good insight for friends and also Indonesian fans...
Xepher: Thank you
Rosesa: I will.. Yes... I will closing this podcast in few moment...
Rosesa: That's all from us...
from me Rosesa and Kenny Xepher Deo
Thank you every who have watched this podcast...
Xepher: Thank you...
Don't forget to give us like, subscribe, and also give us a comment below...
who should I invite for 6th Episode of this podcast...
And don't forget to follow...
Kenny Xepher's Twiiter and Instagram...
And if you want to go to...
Kenny Xepher's Internet Cafe...
Xepher: Mineski Sunter
[Closing Music]
 
Rosesa: That is correct, Mineski Sunter...
it also has an instagram, I will put it on this video or description...
Kindly send my warm regards to Edelyn and Wibun. Thank you for your time, Kenny...
Xepher: Thank you as well Rosesa...
Rosesa: You're welcome! Thank you everyone who watch this podcast...
See you on the next podcast!
Xepher: Good Bye!
