>>> YOU'LL HEAR LONGTIME 
OPPONENTS OF NUCLEAR POWER 
EXPLAIN WHY THEY HAVE CHANGED 
THEIR MINDS.
SOME SAY IT'S LESS DANGEROUS 
THAN THEY FEARED.
THE OTHERS SAY THE ONLY ANSWER 
IS HERE'S ANOTHER CLIP FROM THE 
FILM.
>> THINK THAT SOMEHOW WE'RE 
GOING TO BE REDUCING THE ENERGY 
CONSUMPTION.
ACTUALLY WE JUST FIND MORE AND 
MORE WAYS FOR IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE ENERGY 
THAT'S USED BY AN iPHONE, NOT 
JUST TO MAKE IT AND POWER IT, 
BUT ALSO TO POWER ALL THE 
SERVERS, ALL OF THE STUFF THAT 
YOU DON'T SEE THAT THE iPHONE IS
CONNECTED TO, IT USES AS MUCH 
ENERGY AS A REFRIGERATOR.
>> OKAY.
BUT, LOOK, THE U.S. IS POISED TO
BE THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF GAS 
AND OIL IN THE WORLD.
WE HAVE THE LARGEST -- WE HAVE 
THE BEST WIND AND SOLAR 
RESOURCES.
FRANCE AND JAPAN DON'T HAVE ANY 
OF THAT, AND THEIR BACK'S 
AGAINST THE WALL.
THEY HAVE TO GO TO NUKE.
WE DON'T.
NOW, MICHAEL, WE IN THE UNITED 
STATES ARE BLESSED WITH ALL OF 
THESE RESOURCES, BUT NUKES ONLY 
REPRESENT 20% OF OUR ELECTRICAL 
SUPPLY.
IF WE SIMPLY CONSERVE, LIKE 
RALPH SAID, WE COULD DECREASE 
OUR ELECTRIC CONSUMPTION BY 20% 
AND ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR OUR 
NUKES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WHY DON'T WE JUST CONSERVE?
IN MONTANA I CHALLENGE THE STATE
TO DECREASE BY 20%, WE DID IT IN
TWO YEARS.
>> ACTUALLY WHAT'S HAPPENED IS 
WE BECOME MORE EFFICIENT AND USE
MORE ENERGY.
>> SO BET THE PLANET STRATEGY ON
CONSERVATION AND EFFICIENCY IS A
FOOL'S ERRAND.
THERE'S ACTUALLY SCIENCE HERE TO
ARBITRATE, TO FIGURE THIS STUFF 
OUT.
NUCLEAR SAVED 1.8 MILLION LIVES.
WE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN 
GERMANY, JAPAN, WHERE THEY'VE 
MOVED AWAY FROM NUCLEAR.
THEY'RE BURNING MORE COAL.
JAPAN HAS GONE BACK TO BURNING 
OIL AND NATURAL GAS.
THAT'S CAUSING HARM AND DEATHS 
RIGHT NOW.
SO WHEN RALPH KIND OF CONSTRUCTS
THESE HAVE I SCARY-SOUNDING 
SCENARIOS, YOU CAN EVALUATE THAT
AGAINST 40 YEARS OF A TRACK 
RECORD HERE, WHERE WE KNOW THAT 
NUCLEAR PROVIDES, SAFEST 
BASELOAD POWER SOURCE THERE. 
>> I CAN'T RESIST THIS QUESTION.
LITERALLY FROM MY GRANDMOTHER'S 
HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE THREE MILE 
ISLAND.
THE SECOND REACTOR THERE HAS THE
LONGEST CONTINUOUS RUN OF ANY 
REACTOR IN THE WORLD.
NOBODY, CORING TO THE CENTERS 
FOR DISEASE CONTROL, THERE WERE 
ZERO CASUALTIES FROM THREE MILE 
ISLAND.
ISN'T THERE A CERTAINLY AMOUNT 
OF COMFORT THAT EVEN WHEN THERE 
IS A DISASTER -- EVEN WITH 
FUKUSHIMA, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE 
TO FIX, BUT AT THE MOMENT, IT'S 
NOT A CHERNOBYL-LIKE EVENT.
IT MAY HAVE TAKEN THE SOVIET 
UNION TO HAVE MANAGED SOMETHING 
BADLY ENOUGH TO GET A CHERNOBYL 
EVENT.
ISN'T THERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF 
SCAREMONGERING, AND THEN BLOW IT
UP INTO -- 
>> I DON'T LIKE TO PLAY RUSSIAN 
ROULETTE WITH THE AMERICAN 
PEOPLE.
YOU JUST NEED ONE BAD ACCIDENT, 
AND THEN A HUGE AREA OF AMERICA 
WILL BE UNINHABITABLE.
IN CHER NOSH, 250,000 PEOPLE WHO
HAD TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES, EMPTY 
VILLAGES AND TOWNS.
FUKUSHIMA IS STILL BOILING 
AROUND.
THAT'S A ADVANCED TECHNOLOGICAL 
SOCIETY, BUT IN YOUR AREA OF 
PENNSYLVANIA, YOU HAVE SPENT 
FUEL RODS ALL AROUND THOSE 
PLANTS.
ALL AROUND THE UNITED STATES, 
THE AGING PLANTS, HALF OF WHOM 
CAN'T MEET THE FIRE PREVENTION 
STANDARDS OF THE NUCLEAR 
REGULATORY COMMISSION, BY THE 
WAY, THOSE ARE DEAD RINGERS FOR 
SABOTAGE, FOR ANY EARTHQUAKE, 
FOR A MAJOR STORM.
THE WHOLE POINT, NEWT IS WE 
DON'T NEED NUCLEAR POWER.
IT'S NOT INSURABLE, EXCEPT BY 
THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, THE PRICE 
ANDERSON ACT.
IT'S NOT BANKABLE EXCEPT BY U.S.
GOVERNMENT LOAN GARCHTS, THE 
WEIGHT FINANCIAL YEARS HAVE DONE
ASSIST, IT'S NOT AN ECONOMIC 
PROPOSITION.
THEY TAIL 10 TO 15 YEARS TO 
BUILD.
THEY ALWAYS COME IN 100% TO 200%
COST OVERRUNS.
WE HAVEN'T BUILT WITHIN SINCE 
THE 1970s, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN 
IN A MARKET SENSE?
IT MEANS IT'S CORPORATE 
SOCIALISM, GOVERNMENT 
GUARANTEED, AND NO ONE HAS SKIN 
IN THE GAME. 
>> WHAT DO YOU SAY, MIKE?
I WANT YOU'RE BLAMING THIS ON 
THE MARKET.
YOU YOURSELF LED THESE EFFORTS 
TO SHUT DOWN THE EXPANSION OF 
NUCLEAR, KEEP IT AT 20% RATHER 
THAN GROWING IT.
SOLAR TODAY, HALF TO TWO THIRDS 
OF A COST IS SUBSIDIZED BY 
TAXPAYERS AND RATEPAIRS.
WHEN THE MAIN SUBSIDY FOR WIND 
IS THREATENED, THE ENTIRE 
INDUSTRY SHUTS DOWN.
YOU'RE TALKING OUT BOTH SIDES OF
YOUR MOUTH, RALPH.
YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY THE SUBSIDIES 
ON THE ONE HAND AND CRITICIZE --
>> EITHER NO SUBSIDIES -- 
>> THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE 
LOOBLT.
THE NUCLEAR TRY, IF YOU HAVE A 
PLANT, THEY PAY INSURANCE FOR 
IT, IN TERMS OF THE LIABILITY, 
JET AIRLINERS HAVE LIMITED
THE PRIVATE INSURANCE INDUSTRY 
WILL NOT INSURE THEM.
>> AND LIMITED LIABILITY ON JET 
ACCIDENTS AS WELL.
SHOULD WE NOT HAVE LIMITED 
LIABILITY FOR JET AIRLINERS?
THIS IS NOT ABOUT, FOR YOU AND.
OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT, 
THIS IS ABOUT A FEAR OF NUCLEAR 
WEAPONS.
ONE THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS.
33 COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD HAVE 
NUCLEAR WEAPONS CAPABILITY.
NINE OF THEM HAVE DECIDED TO 
PURSUE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
THE ASSOCIATION YOU'RE MAKING 
BETWEEN HAVING MORE NUCLEAR 
ENERGY AND THE COUNTRY THAT'S 
HAVE NUCLEAR CAPACITY IS REALLY 
MISLEADING, RALPH.
33 COUNTRIES COULD HAVE NUCLEAR 
WEAPON.
THEY DECIDED NOT TO GET THEM.
WE CAN EXPAND NUCLEAR ENERGY.
>> I APPLAUD YOU.
YOU ARE AN OUTLIER IN THE 
COMMUNITY BY SUPPORTING NUCLEAR 
ENERGY.
I APPLAUD THAT.
SO MANY IN THE VIRALAL 
COMMUNITY, AND GOD LOVE THEM, 
THEY ARE AGAINST, AGAINST, 
AGAINST, AND THEN THEY DON'T 
HAVE A LEGITIMATE SOLUTION TO GO
FORWARD.
YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE SOLUTION 
TO GO FORWARD.
YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH IT BUT 
THERE WILL BE SOME IN THE 
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY WILL 
WONDER WHETHER MAYBE YOU ARE 
FUNDED BY FOLKS WHO ARE 
SUPPORTING NUCLEAR ENERGY.
TO MAKE THE RECORD STRAIGHT, 
WHEN YOU'RE NOT FUNDED.
>> I'VE NEVER BEEN FUNNELEDED 
ANY BY ANY ENERGY AT ALL $I 
HAVEN'T SEEN MONEY FROM SOLAR OR
WIND OR ANY OF THOSE FOLKS.
SO LET ME SAY ONE OTHER THING 
ABOUT THIS.
LAST WEEK, LATE LAST WEEK, I 
BELIEVE IT WAS OVER THE WEEKEND,
FOUR OF THE WORLD'S TOP CLIMATE 
SCIENTISTS, THEY SEND AN OPEN 
LETTER TO THE LEADERS OF THE 
ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT.
I THINK SHOULD YOU CONSIDER 
YOURSELVES A RECIPIENT OF THAT.
CALLING ON THEM TO EMBRACE THE 
PUSH FOR ADVANCED NUCLEAR.
THE RESPONSE THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN
IS JUST REJECTION OUT OF HAND.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE STARTED TO SEE 
NOW IS YOU'VE SEEN BILL GATES, 
PRESIDENT OBAMA, JEFFREY SACKS, 
RICHARD BRANSON, PAUL ALLEN, 
NATHAN, THE WORLD'S LEADING 
CLIMATE SCIENTISTS ALL SAYING WE
NEED NUCLEAR ENERGY.
WE CAN'T BET THE PLANET ON SOLAR
WHICH EMPLOYS .1% AND ON WIND 
WHICH IS TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON 
FEDERAL SUBSIDIES.
THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS BET.
>> THIS IS RIDICULOUS WHAT HE'S 
SAYING.
WARREN BUFFETT SAYS NUCLEAR 
POWER IS UNECONOMICAL.
>> WHEN THEY BUILT FUKUSHIMA AND
CHERNOBYL, WHEN THEY BUILT THREE
MILE, THEY SAID IT WAS A 1 IN 
10,000 ODDS THAT THERE WOULD BE 
A MELTDOWN.
NOW WE'VE HAD THREE MELTDOWNS IN
35 YEARS IN THREE COUNTRIES.
WOULD YOU TAKE THOSE ODDS TO LAS
VEGAS TODAY?
1 IN 10,000?
>> FIRST OF ALL, I WAS 8 YEARS 
OLD WHEN THREE-MILE ACCIDENT 
HAPPENED SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE 
SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT 
HAPPENED WHEN I WAS A BABY.
THE GOOD THING IS IT IS STUDIED 
REALLY CAREFULLY BY THE 
INTERNATIONAL AGENCY, THE WORLD 
HEALTH ORGANIZATION, ARTICLES IN
LANCET.
SO RALPH CAN SPECULATE ALL YOU 
WANT.
THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR ABOUT THE 
SAFETY OF NUCLEAR.
YOU'VE HAD THREE SERIOUS 
ACCIDENTS.
COAL, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE 
ACCIDENTS, WHEN IT IS 
FUNCTIONING PROPERLY, KILL 
13,000 PEOPLE A YEAR OVER 
300,000 PEOPLE A YEAR.
SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
WHAT ABOUT ALL YOUR COAL DEATHS?
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?
>> IF YOU ONLY LISTEN, THE 
SOLUTION IS, MASSIVE POTENTIAL 
HERE NOW FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
JOB INTENSIVE ALL OVER THE 
COUNTRY.
STUDIED FROM A TO Z.
>> I'VE BOMBEDED TO THAT TWICE.
>> SECOND, SOLAR ENERGY WILL BE 
THE FUTURE OF THE WORLD.
I CAN CITE YOU A MILLION 
STUDIES.
>> YOU'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE
THE EARLY '70s.
>> ALL RIGHT.
HALT, BOYS.
>> HOLD ON.
STAY HERE.
NEXT, WE CEASE FIRE.
AFTER THIS CONVERSATION, WE'RE 
GOING TO TRY TO FIND OUT IS 
THERE ANYTHING THE OF TWO YOU 
CAN AGREE ON.
WE WANT YOU AT HOME TO WEIGH IN 
ON THE FIRE BACK QUESTION.
ARE YOU AFRAID TO LIVE NEAR A 
NACK POWER PLANT?
