So then, I stayed quite a long time 
because when I had my...
My contract was over, 
I stayed as a civilian in that company,
I must have stayed four years, something like that.
[Q] Over there?
Yes.
[Q] Without coming back to France?
Yes, without coming back to France.
And so I was over there. So Pierre...
We obviously went to see 
the prisoners being released.
[Q] In Dien Bien Phu?
It was... we had signed the armistice
with the Vietnamese in Geneva at this point, 
so there was the release, the prisoner exchanges. 
Meaning that we released Vietnames 
prisoners and they...
so the releases generally always happened 
in the Vietnamese zone. So there was...
So obviously everyone was there because everyone 
wanted to be there when they released de Castries,
when they were... We wanted to be there 
when they released de Castries
because it was our job to be there, 
and then we also wanted to be there
when they released Schoendoerffer, 
Dupont, the other two Camus and Peraud.
[Q] Marcel Camus?
Yes, and Peraud.
We really didn't know where Peraud could be,
because we knew that they had disappeared 
but we didn't know what had happened.
So we would go. So there were... 
The Viets had this incredible thing,
they had found a way, a system, 
they didn't have the same time as us,
there was a time difference. 
Meaning that every time there was a meeting...
[Q] An hour ahead or behind?
I don't remember that. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter, the interesting part being 
the fact that it wasn't the same time.
So every time we got there, they would say, 
'Oh, but you're an hour too early',
'oh, it's an hour too late, you got it wrong it wasn't the 
right time', etc. They constantly played little games.
So... 'oh, but you're too early, the prisoners are
taking a nap, we can't wake them up'.
Of course, the guys had been in jail for 
four years, they really shouldn't be...
We should let them finish their nap. 
They wouldn't have been happy to be released.
So there was always this... 
So I mean eventually, I witnessed the release of...
I mean at the scene of the two 
colonels Charton and Lepage,
who were the colonels 
commanding the RC4 operations.
And on the other hand, I caught 
de Castries when he arrived in Hanoi.
