>>> I THINK SHE’S A DISGRACE.
I ACTUALLY DON’T THINK SHE’S A
TALENTED PERSON.
I’VE TRIED TO BE NICE TO HER
BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO
HAVE GOTTEN SOME DEALS DONE.
SHE’S INCAPABLE OF DOING DEALS.
SHE’S A NASTY, VINDICTIVE
HORRIBLE PERSON.
>> WHEN THE PRESIDENT COULD
ACTUALLY BE BOTHERED TO VISIT
THE CEMETERIES OF FALLEN
AMERICAN TROOPS HE USED THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SMEAR A DOMESTIC
POLITICAL OPPONENT WHILE
OVERSEES.
>> ON A DATE, BY THE WAY, THAT
IS ABOUT AS SACRED AS ANY DATE
TO MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY AND
ALSO TO THOSE OF US WHO GREATLY
APPRECIATE THEIR SACRIFICES,
D-DAY.
>> IT’S WHAT WE DO.
>> WHEN YOU’RE SITTING THERE
WITH THE GRAVES OF OUR FALLEN
HERO
HEROES AT NORMANDY BEHIND YOU,
AND WE WERE THERE WHEN THAT WAS
HAPPENING, IT’S ABSOLUTELY
SHOCKING.
IT’S AS SHOCKING AS WHAT HE SAID
AT ARLINGTON WHEN HE WAS WALKING
WITH GENERAL KELLY.
IT’S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP
GOING THROUGH THESE PHASES WHERE
PEOPLE SAY IT’S GETTING WORSE
AND YOU CAN SEE AN ARTICLE EVERY
SIX MONTHS, THINGS ARE GETTING
WORSE, WE DIDN’T THINK THEY WERE
GOING TO GET WORSE, I REMEMBER
JONATHAN LEMIRE WRITING
SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE SAYING
THINGS ARE GETTING EVEN WORSE
NOW, WORSE THAN PEOPLE EXPECTED.
GEORGE CONWAY WRITING SOMETHING
SEVERAL MONTHS LATER.
PRETTY SOON PEOPLE STARTED TO
SAY WE UNDERSTAND THERE’S NO
BOTTOM TO THIS MAN, TO DONALD
TRUMP.
AND, YOU KNOW --
>> IT’S NOT GETTING WORSE, IT’S
ALWAYS BEEN TERRIBLE.
>> BUT YOU JUST DON’T KNOW HOW
LOW THAT BOTTOM CAN BE AND THEN
YOU READ THE JEFFREY GOLDBERG
PIECE AND YOU REALIZE, AGAIN,
THERE’S JUST NO WAY TO PREDICT
JUST HOW TERRIBLE IT IS.
AND IT DOES.
IT DOES SEEM TO KEEP GETTING
WORSE.
>> KATTY KAY AND GENE ROBINSON
ARE STILL WITH US, JOINING THE
CONVERSATION WE HAVE MSNBC
NATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST AND
CO-HOST OF "THE CIRCUS" JOHN
HEILEMAN.
DONNY DEUTSCH IS WITH US,
EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF JEN, A
PUBLICATION FOCUSED ON POWER AND
POLITICS, AND FOUNDER OF THE
CONSERVATIVE WEBSITE THE BULL
WORK AND AUTHOR OF HOW THE RIGHT
LOST ITS MIND, CHARLIE SYKES.
>> CHARLIE I WANT TO START WITH
YOU GET YOUR RESPONSE TO
JEFFREY’S ARTICLE.
YOU AND I GROWING UP IN THE SAME
POLITICAL TRIBE, SO TO SPEAK.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK
ACTUALLY SHAPED OUR TRIBE’S
WORLD VIEW WAS VIETNAM AND STAND
WITH THE TROOPS, AMERICA LOVE IT
OR LEAVE IT DURING THE IRAQ WAR
PEOPLE PUTTING THE YELLOW
RIBBONS ON THE BACK OF THEIR
CARS.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS PUTTING RIGHT UP
FRONT HOW MUCH WE SUPPORTED THE
TROOPS.
AND HERE, WE HAVE THE REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENT WITH THE 97% SUPPORT
IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SAYING
THE MOST DISPARAGING THING ABOUT
AMERICAN TROOPS AND SERVICE TO
COUNTRY AND THE ONLY THING HIS
SUPPORTERS ON TWITTER AND TV CAN
SAY IS, WHY WON’T THEY SAY IT ON
THE RECORD?
WHICH, OF COURSE, NOBODY WAS
ASKING THE FBI AGENTS
DENIGRATING HILLARY CLINTON
DURING THE 2016 TO PUT THEIR
NAMES ON THE RECORD.
IT’S FASCINATING THE DOUBLE
STANDARD.
THIS IS ALL THAT OUR FORMER
POLITICAL ALLIES ARE LEFT WITH.
>> I HAD A FLASH BACK THIS
MORNING THINKING ABOUT A TIME I
WAS SITTING IN D.C. AT THE WORLD
WAR II MEMORIAL, I HAD FLOWN
WITH A GROUP OF VETERANS ON AN
HONOR FLIGHT AND THIS WAS BACK
IN 2016, I WAS THINKING THIS
COUNTRY AND THESE VETERANS
DESERVE SO MUCH MORE THAN DONALD
TRUMP, THIS VAIN, SHALLOW,
UNEMPATHIC FOR THATNARCISSIST.
THE PEOPLE WE CALL THE
ANTI-ANTI-TRUMPERS, THEY KNOW
IT’S TRUE.
THEY KNOW THE GUY.
BUT THIS -- IF THEY ACKNOWLEDGE
IT, IF THEY BELIEVE IT, IT’S A
REAL CHALLENGE TO THEIR
CONSCIENCE.
BECAUSE HOW CAN YOU DEFEND
THIS --
>> CHARLIE, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU
FOR ONE SECOND.
ONE OF MY PET PEEVES WITH THESE
ANTI-ANTI-TRUMPER WHO IS DO WHAT
THEY DO FOR CLICKS, DO WHAT THEY
DO FOR RATINGS, THEY WON’T
DEFEND DONALD TRUMP BUT THEY
LOVE CRITICIZING DONALD TRUMP’S
OPPONENTS AND PEOPLE WHO ATTACK
DONALD TRUMP.
THESE PEOPLE WILL SHOW NANCY
PELOSI ON A LOOP AND THEY WILL
MAKE A HUGE DEAL ABOUT NANCY
PELOSI’S HAIR CUT, AND YET THEY
NEVER HAVE SAID ANYTHING, THE
OVERWHELMING MAJORITY, THE
ANTI-ANTI-TRUMP SQUAD HAVE NEVER
SAID ANYTHING ABOUT VLADIMIR
PUTIN PUTTING BOUNTIES ON THE
HEADS OF AMERICAN TROOPS.
NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
BUT THEY WILL GRAB WHATEVER
SCRATCH FROM SOME IDIOT TALK
SHOW HOST LIKE MYSELF.
OR SOME MISTAKE THAT A NEWSPAPER
WILL MAKE AND WILL BLOW IT UP
INTO TWO WEEKS WORTH OF CONTENT,
BUT WILL IGNORE DONALD TRUMP
BEING OBSEE QUO YOU TO A MAN
THAT WAS PUTTING BOUNTIES ON
TROOPS’ HEADS.
>> A LOT OF ANTI-ANTI-TRUMPERS
HAVE A VESTIGE OF A CONSCIENCE
HERE.
AND THEY MANAGED TO ACCEPT A
GREAT DEAL.
BUT IF THEY HAD TO SIT AND THINK
IS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF
PLAYING FOOTSIE WITH VLADIMIR
PUTIN, WHICH IS THE ANSWER IS
YES, DOES THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF
HAVE THAT MUCH CONTEMPT FOR
THOSE THAT SERVED, DOES HE NOT
WANT TO SEE WOUNDED WARRIORS
BECAUSE THAT WOULDO FEND OFFEND
LET’S TALK ABOUT NANCY PELOSI’S
HAIR INSTEAD.
THE THING ABOUT THE STORY THAT’S
SO PAINFUL FOR THEM IS DONALD
TRUMP HAS TOLD US OVER AND OVER
AGAIN HOW HE IS.
HIS ATTACKS ON JOHN McCAIN, THE
GOLD STAR FAMILIES.
THIS IS THE LENS THROUGH WHICH
DONALD TRUMP SEES THE WORLD,
WINNERS VERSUS LOSERS.
WHEN YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
P.O.W.s OR PEOPLE MISSING IN
ACTION, THIS PRESIDENT DOES NOT
HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING OF HUMAN
SUFFERING OR HUMAN SACRIFICE OR
SERVING A CAUSE LARGER THAN
HIMSELF.
THAT’S WHAT MAKES THIS STORY SO
DEVASTATING.
I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO COME OUT
ON RECORD.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM
GENERAL KELLY.
I THINK THIS IS THE MOMENT WHERE
IF YOU SAW THIS IN REAL TIME,
THIS IS WHEN YOU SHARE THIS WITH
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BECAUSE AT
THAT POINT, LOOK, IT BECOMES
MUCH, MUCH HARDER TO AVOID AND
IGNORE THE MAN WHO’S SITTING AS
