WELCOME.                        
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING       
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING       
BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON     
>> OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING       
BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON     
FILM.                           
BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON     
FILM.                           
TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT      
FILM.                           
TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT      
THE PROCESS OF BRINGING         
TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT      
THE PROCESS OF BRINGING         
LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN.      
THE PROCESS OF BRINGING         
LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN.      
SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START    
LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN.      
SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START    
AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD.        
SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START    
AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD.        
EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH     
AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD.        
EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH     
ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A       
EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH     
ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A       
VERY LONG TIME SO I START       
ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A       
VERY LONG TIME SO I START       
WITH DORIS.                     
VERY LONG TIME SO I START       
WITH DORIS.                     
WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME       
WITH DORIS.                     
WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME       
OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN?          
WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME       
OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN?          
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN?          
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> I THINK WHEN I WAS A         
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> I THINK WHEN I WAS A         
LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED    
>> I THINK WHEN I WAS A         
LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED    
TO THE PART OF THE STORY        
LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED    
TO THE PART OF THE STORY        
WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE   
TO THE PART OF THE STORY        
WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE   
WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO       
WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE   
WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO       
READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED    
WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO       
READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED    
TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT,      
READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED    
TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT,      
AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS         
TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT,      
AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS         
YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO     
AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS         
YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO     
DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG   
YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO     
DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG   
THINGS, SLAVERY AND             
DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG   
THINGS, SLAVERY AND             
EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN     
THINGS, SLAVERY AND             
EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN     
EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT        
EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN     
EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT        
FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN    
EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT        
FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN    
ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER         
FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN    
ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER         
PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE    
ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER         
PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE    
MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO    
PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE    
MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO    
ABRAHAM LYNN SON.               
MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO    
ABRAHAM LYNN SON.               
IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT        
ABRAHAM LYNN SON.               
IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT        
FIRST I THOUGHT I'D WRITE       
IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT        
FIRST I THOUGHT I'D WRITE       
ABOUT MARY AND ABE.             
FIRST I THOUGHT I'D WRITE       
ABOUT MARY AND ABE.             
IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO   
ABOUT MARY AND ABE.             
IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO   
THIS BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED   
IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO   
THIS BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED   
A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT   
THIS BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED   
A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT   
LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER.     
A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT   
LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER.     
WE'VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM      
LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER.     
WE'VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM      
WHEN HE'S GONE.                 
WE'VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM      
WHEN HE'S GONE.                 
>> YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF      
WHEN HE'S GONE.                 
>> YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF      
RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS.   
>> YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF      
RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS.   
I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE   
RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS.   
I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE   
HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO   
I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE   
HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO   
A FILM ON LINCOLN?              
HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO   
A FILM ON LINCOLN?              
OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE     
A FILM ON LINCOLN?              
OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE     
IMPETUS?                        
OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE     
IMPETUS?                        
>> I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO     
IMPETUS?                        
>> I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO     
DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN.         
>> I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO     
DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN.         
SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN        
DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN.         
SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN        
ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE    
SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN        
ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE    
MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM   
ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE    
MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM   
LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY          
MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM   
LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY          
TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME,       
LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY          
TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME,       
WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND       
TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME,       
WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND       
PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT         
WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND       
PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT         
NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN.   
PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT         
NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN.   
YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY    
NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN.   
YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY    
CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN'T     
YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY    
CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN'T     
KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND    
CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN'T     
KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND    
HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS    
KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND    
HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS    
HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE     
HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS    
HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE     
KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH    
HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE     
KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH    
THERE'S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN    
KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH    
THERE'S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN    
ABOUT HIM.                      
THERE'S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN    
ABOUT HIM.                      
I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE    
ABOUT HIM.                      
I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE    
TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A      
I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE    
TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A      
PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING,    
TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A      
PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING,    
HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO     
PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING,    
HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO     
FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS   
HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO     
FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS   
FOR THE MILLENNIUM.             
FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS   
FOR THE MILLENNIUM.             
>> WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED    
FOR THE MILLENNIUM.             
>> WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED    
IN THE LAST CENTURY.            
>> WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED    
IN THE LAST CENTURY.            
>> THE LAST CENTURY!            
IN THE LAST CENTURY.            
>> THE LAST CENTURY!            
>>  1999!                       
>> THE LAST CENTURY!            
>>  1999!                       
>>  '99.                        
>>  1999!                       
>>  '99.                        
AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK,    
>>  '99.                        
AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK,    
I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS        
AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK,    
I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS        
WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL,      
I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS        
WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL,      
I'M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT     
WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL,      
I'M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT     
THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I   
I'M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT     
THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I   
REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE      
THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I   
REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE      
FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE.     
REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE      
FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE.     
>> THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE    
FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE.     
>> THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE    
HANDS ON IT?                    
>> THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE    
HANDS ON IT?                    
AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO,          
HANDS ON IT?                    
AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO,          
THERE'S LIKE A THOUSAND         
AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO,          
THERE'S LIKE A THOUSAND         
STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO    
THERE'S LIKE A THOUSAND         
STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO    
WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN!           
STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO    
WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN!           
I WAS SO EXCITED.               
WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN!           
I WAS SO EXCITED.               
>> AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU     
I WAS SO EXCITED.               
>> AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU     
WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU       
>> AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU     
WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU       
WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND    
WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU       
WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND    
RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST      
WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND    
RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST      
LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID   
RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST      
LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID   
-- LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU   
LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID   
-- LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU   
TED I'M OPTIONING IT, I'M       
-- LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU   
TED I'M OPTIONING IT, I'M       
BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND      
TED I'M OPTIONING IT, I'M       
BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND      
SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999.           
BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND      
SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999.           
>> EXACTLY.                     
SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999.           
>> EXACTLY.                     
YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR    
>> EXACTLY.                     
YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR    
SO LONG!                        
YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR    
SO LONG!                        
AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN DOING      
SO LONG!                        
AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN DOING      
BEHIND VICTOR'S BACK.           
AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN DOING      
BEHIND VICTOR'S BACK.           
>> HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE          
BEHIND VICTOR'S BACK.           
>> HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE          
ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED.     
>> HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE          
ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED.     
>> I GUESS THE QUESTION TO      
ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED.     
>> I GUESS THE QUESTION TO      
TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE     
>> I GUESS THE QUESTION TO      
TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE     
RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING     
TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE     
RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING     
THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY      
RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING     
THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY      
WRITTEN BY DORIS?               
THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY      
WRITTEN BY DORIS?               
>> I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAD   
WRITTEN BY DORIS?               
>> I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAD   
RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW     
>> I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAD   
RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW     
FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT    
RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW     
FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT    
WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE,      
FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT    
WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE,      
AND SO --                       
WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE,      
AND SO --                       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
AND SO --                       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> ONE OF THE FIRST             
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> ONE OF THE FIRST             
CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND   
>> ONE OF THE FIRST             
CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND   
I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE --   
CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND   
I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE --   
AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH   
I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE --   
AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH   
AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I        
AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH   
AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I        
WOULD BE INTERESTED IN          
AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I        
WOULD BE INTERESTED IN          
LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND   
WOULD BE INTERESTED IN          
LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND   
MAKING THIS ADAPTATION,         
LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND   
MAKING THIS ADAPTATION,         
STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF      
MAKING THIS ADAPTATION,         
STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF      
WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD       
STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF      
WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD       
NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG   
WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD       
NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG   
AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO -- I    
NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG   
AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO -- I    
THINK WITHOUT ANY               
AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO -- I    
THINK WITHOUT ANY               
EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A   
THINK WITHOUT ANY               
EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A   
10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT   
EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A   
10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT   
ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN'S           
10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT   
ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN'S           
PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN'T     
ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN'S           
PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN'T     
HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL.          
PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN'T     
HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL.          
I MEAN, IT WAS SO               
HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL.          
I MEAN, IT WAS SO               
RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH      
I MEAN, IT WAS SO               
RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH      
INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS      
RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH      
INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS      
AND AMAZING CHARACTERS.         
INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS      
AND AMAZING CHARACTERS.         
SO THERE'S A REAL               
AND AMAZING CHARACTERS.         
SO THERE'S A REAL               
EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES.        
SO THERE'S A REAL               
EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES.        
AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED     
EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES.        
AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED     
ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY     
AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED     
ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY     
DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE    
ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY     
DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE    
BATTLES.                        
DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE    
BATTLES.                        
>> RIGHT.                       
BATTLES.                        
>> RIGHT.                       
>> SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT    
>> RIGHT.                       
>> SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT    
THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION    
>> SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT    
THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION    
AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS       
THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION    
AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS       
START TO HAPPEN.                
AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS       
START TO HAPPEN.                
>> HOLLYWOOD'S TREATMENT OF     
START TO HAPPEN.                
>> HOLLYWOOD'S TREATMENT OF     
HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN          
>> HOLLYWOOD'S TREATMENT OF     
HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN          
CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN    
HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN          
CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN    
IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES,    
CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN    
IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES,    
AND THE CIVIL WAR.              
IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES,    
AND THE CIVIL WAR.              
TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU      
AND THE CIVIL WAR.              
TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU      
FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD    
TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU      
FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD    
TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND        
FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD    
TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND        
REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS     
TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND        
REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS     
HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM?     
REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS     
HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM?     
AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS     
HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM?     
AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS     
SO MUCH MATERIAL.               
AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS     
SO MUCH MATERIAL.               
>> YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST       
SO MUCH MATERIAL.               
>> YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST       
DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG.       
>> YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST       
DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG.       
IT WOULD HAVE --                
DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG.       
IT WOULD HAVE --                
>> 550.                         
IT WOULD HAVE --                
>> 550.                         
BUT WHO'S COUNT SOMETHING.      
>> 550.                         
BUT WHO'S COUNT SOMETHING.      
>> AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER   
BUT WHO'S COUNT SOMETHING.      
>> AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER   
PAGES THAT WEREN'T PART OF      
>> AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER   
PAGES THAT WEREN'T PART OF      
THAT DRAFT.                     
PAGES THAT WEREN'T PART OF      
THAT DRAFT.                     
AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT,      
THAT DRAFT.                     
AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT,      
550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT   
AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT,      
550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT   
10 OR 11-HOUR -- SO --          
550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT   
10 OR 11-HOUR -- SO --          
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
10 OR 11-HOUR -- SO --          
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A    
PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER     
>> SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A    
PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER     
WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF    
PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER     
WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF    
WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT     
WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF    
WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT     
CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR         
WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT     
CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR         
THEMES OF THE LINCOLN           
CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR         
THEMES OF THE LINCOLN           
PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER       
THEMES OF THE LINCOLN           
PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER       
READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND      
PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER       
READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND      
CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH,      
READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND      
CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH,      
YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT   
CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH,      
YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT   
THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT    
YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT   
THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT    
EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT       
THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT    
EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT       
WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND      
EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT       
WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND      
OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE    
WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND      
OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE    
THE UNION -- TO PRESERVE AND    
OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE    
THE UNION -- TO PRESERVE AND    
PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING     
THE UNION -- TO PRESERVE AND    
PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING     
THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE    
PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING     
THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE    
UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND   
THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE    
UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND   
SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT   
UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND   
SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT   
AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE,      
SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT   
AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE,      
AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A    
AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE,      
AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A    
MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT   
AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A    
MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT   
WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE         
MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT   
WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE         
THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE     
WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE         
THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE     
TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT'S     
THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE     
TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT'S     
DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN   
TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT'S     
DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN   
BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS        
DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN   
BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS        
ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED          
BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS        
ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED          
HISTORY.                        
ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED          
HISTORY.                        
AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH      
HISTORY.                        
AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH      
AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY     
AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH      
AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY     
THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW    
AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY     
THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW    
AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN    
THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW    
AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN    
AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE    
AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN    
AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE    
HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT         
AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE    
HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT         
HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES,     
HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT         
HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES,     
THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A         
HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES,     
THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A         
REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR          
THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A         
REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR          
HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER   
REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR          
HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER   
FOR HISTORY.                    
HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER   
FOR HISTORY.                    
>> STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY       
FOR HISTORY.                    
>> STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY       
MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT   
>> STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY       
MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT   
RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU   
MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT   
RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU   
WANTED TO TELL?                 
RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU   
WANTED TO TELL?                 
I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS   
WANTED TO TELL?                 
I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS   
THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT   
I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS   
THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT   
YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE?      
THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT   
YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE?      
>> ONE THING I WANTED -- ONE    
YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE?      
>> ONE THING I WANTED -- ONE    
OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD       
>> ONE THING I WANTED -- ONE    
OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD       
WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH         
OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD       
WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH         
RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM      
WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH         
RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM      
ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I    
RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM      
ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I    
HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS      
ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I    
HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS      
RUMINATING AND DEEPLY --        
HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS      
RUMINATING AND DEEPLY --        
LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP.   
RUMINATING AND DEEPLY --        
LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP.   
THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT    
LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP.   
THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT    
LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE    
THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT    
LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE    
FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE     
LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE    
FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE     
KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS   
FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE     
KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS   
TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO.    
KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS   
TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO.    
HE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A   
TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO.    
HE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A   
DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT       
HE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A   
DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT       
CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE      
DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT       
CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE      
WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE     
CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE      
WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE     
HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN         
WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE     
HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN         
REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN      
HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN         
REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN      
FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF,         
REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN      
FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF,         
INSIDE OF HIMSELF.              
FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF,         
INSIDE OF HIMSELF.              
AND I REALLY WANTED TO          
INSIDE OF HIMSELF.              
AND I REALLY WANTED TO          
EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR    
AND I REALLY WANTED TO          
EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR    
LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION.     
EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR    
LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION.     
I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES       
LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION.     
I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES       
WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY     
I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES       
WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY     
IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE       
WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY     
IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE       
WASN'T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO    
IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE       
WASN'T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO    
TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN   
WASN'T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO    
TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN   
HE WAS SPEAKING.                
TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN   
HE WAS SPEAKING.                
AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF      
HE WAS SPEAKING.                
AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF      
LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING      
AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF      
LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING      
PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN     
LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING      
PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN     
WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING        
PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN     
WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING        
STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG    
WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING        
STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG    
WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE           
STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG    
WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE           
RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW,     
WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE           
RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW,     
JUST WORKING THINGS OUT.        
RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW,     
JUST WORKING THINGS OUT.        
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST       
JUST WORKING THINGS OUT.        
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST       
IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM.       
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST       
IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM.       
IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY          
IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM.       
IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY          
BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING    
IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY          
BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING    
WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE     
BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING    
WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE     
PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO          
WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE     
PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO          
WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM    
PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO          
WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM    
ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT    
WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM    
ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT    
WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST       
ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT    
WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST       
IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO   
WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST       
IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO   
TONY.                           
IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO   
TONY.                           
>> I THINK FOR ME, THE          
TONY.                           
>> I THINK FOR ME, THE          
MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS   
>> I THINK FOR ME, THE          
MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS   
A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY       
MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS   
A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY       
ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE   
A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY       
ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE   
HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS     
ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE   
HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS     
YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE   
HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS     
YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE   
STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE -- HIS    
YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE   
STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE -- HIS    
WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE      
STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE -- HIS    
WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE      
TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE    
WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE      
TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE    
THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID     
TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE    
THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID     
YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT       
THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID     
YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT       
MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE    
YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT       
MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE    
THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE       
MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE    
THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE       
WORLD.                          
THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE       
WORLD.                          
YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY    
WORLD.                          
YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY    
HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND    
YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY    
HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND    
THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE     
HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND    
THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE     
OF THESE STORIES.               
THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE     
OF THESE STORIES.               
AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN   
OF THESE STORIES.               
AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN   
STORY.                          
AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN   
STORY.                          
I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON    
STORY.                          
I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON    
STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME      
I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON    
STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME      
OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND   
STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME      
OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND   
I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART    
OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND   
I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART    
AND NOW IT'S IN THE MOVIE.      
I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART    
AND NOW IT'S IN THE MOVIE.      
>> THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I     
AND NOW IT'S IN THE MOVIE.      
>> THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I     
MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT        
>> THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I     
MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT        
WHOLE THING!                    
MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT        
WHOLE THING!                    
LINCOLN SUDDENLY --             
WHOLE THING!                    
LINCOLN SUDDENLY --             
>> THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT     
LINCOLN SUDDENLY --             
>> THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT     
SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW           
>> THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT     
SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW           
MENTIONED, THERE'S A GREAT      
SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW           
MENTIONED, THERE'S A GREAT      
PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I'M SURE    
MENTIONED, THERE'S A GREAT      
PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I'M SURE    
YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN'T   
PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I'M SURE    
YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN'T   
HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT     
YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN'T   
HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT     
RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO   
HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT     
RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO   
JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS    
RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO   
JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS    
SEXY AND THAT'S THE LAST        
JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS    
SEXY AND THAT'S THE LAST        
THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS     
SEXY AND THAT'S THE LAST        
THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS     
ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT     
THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS     
ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT     
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN,    
ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT     
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN,    
I WAS RIGHT!                    
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN,    
I WAS RIGHT!                    
>>  LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS,      
I WAS RIGHT!                    
>>  LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS,      
WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY --      
>>  LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS,      
WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY --      
BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD    
WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY --      
BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD    
ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED,          
BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD    
ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED,          
KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A    
ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED,          
KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A    
FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY         
KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A    
FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY         
CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED   
FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY         
CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED   
THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF        
CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED   
THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF        
VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU       
THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF        
VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU       
STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR   
VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU       
STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR   
BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY?    
STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR   
BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY?    
>> IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION.   
BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY?    
>> IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION.   
I DON'T THINK I WAS.            
>> IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION.   
I DON'T THINK I WAS.            
I THINK IT'S A WHOLLY           
I DON'T THINK I WAS.            
I THINK IT'S A WHOLLY           
DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE     
I THINK IT'S A WHOLLY           
DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE     
TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I   
DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE     
TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I   
DON'T HAVE IT.                  
TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I   
DON'T HAVE IT.                  
I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED    
DON'T HAVE IT.                  
I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED    
DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS,      
I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED    
DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS,      
AND THEN I CAN CREATE           
DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS,      
AND THEN I CAN CREATE           
CHARACTERS IN THEIR             
AND THEN I CAN CREATE           
CHARACTERS IN THEIR             
RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE   
CHARACTERS IN THEIR             
RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE   
THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE    
RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE   
THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE    
THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID,       
THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE    
THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID,       
SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A       
THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID,       
SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A       
HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING    
SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A       
HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING    
SOMETHING ABOUT HIS             
HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING    
SOMETHING ABOUT HIS             
RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT'S   
SOMETHING ABOUT HIS             
RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT'S   
WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME,    
RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT'S   
WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME,    
TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET     
WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME,    
TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET     
OF SKILLS -- I MEAN, TONY HAS   
TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET     
OF SKILLS -- I MEAN, TONY HAS   
BOTH, OBVIOUSLY.                
OF SKILLS -- I MEAN, TONY HAS   
BOTH, OBVIOUSLY.                
HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND    
BOTH, OBVIOUSLY.                
HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND    
THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO,   
HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND    
THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO,   
BUT I'M A WORD GIRL.            
THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO,   
BUT I'M A WORD GIRL.            
>> WORD IS FIRST!               
BUT I'M A WORD GIRL.            
>> WORD IS FIRST!               
>>  I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT   
>> WORD IS FIRST!               
>>  I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT   
OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT    
>>  I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT   
OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT    
SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY    
OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT    
SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY    
OF THE EMANCIPATION             
SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY    
OF THE EMANCIPATION             
PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL        
OF THE EMANCIPATION             
PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL        
OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT   
PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL        
OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT   
WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT      
OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT   
WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT      
BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE        
WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT      
BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE        
MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE     
BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE        
MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE     
13TH AMENDMENT?                 
MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE     
13TH AMENDMENT?                 
>> WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH   
13TH AMENDMENT?                 
>> WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH   
AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING,   
>> WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH   
AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING,   
ESPECIALLY ON TONY'S PART,      
AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING,   
ESPECIALLY ON TONY'S PART,      
TONY MADE ME AWARE OF           
ESPECIALLY ON TONY'S PART,      
TONY MADE ME AWARE OF           
SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE   
TONY MADE ME AWARE OF           
SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE   
OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW   
SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE   
OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW   
, A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY         
OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW   
, A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY         
STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF         
, A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY         
STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF         
STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT    
STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF         
STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT    
EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS    
STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT    
EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS    
OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY      
EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS    
OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY      
INTEREST.                       
OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY      
INTEREST.                       
LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM.        
INTEREST.                       
LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM.        
BUT I DIDN'T READ THIS AND I    
LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM.        
BUT I DIDN'T READ THIS AND I    
REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT   
BUT I DIDN'T READ THIS AND I    
REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT   
THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES    
REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT   
THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES    
OF THE EMANCIPATION             
THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES    
OF THE EMANCIPATION             
PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY        
OF THE EMANCIPATION             
PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY        
POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD       
PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY        
POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD       
HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT            
POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD       
HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT            
IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF --    
HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT            
IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF --    
AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS    
IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF --    
AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS    
-- HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES   
AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS    
-- HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES   
WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER     
-- HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES   
WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER     
MASTERS.                        
WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER     
MASTERS.                        
AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE   
MASTERS.                        
AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE   
EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS   
AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE   
EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS   
THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN       
EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS   
THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN       
EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER,       
THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN       
EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER,       
WITH HIS LIFE.                  
EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER,       
WITH HIS LIFE.                  
UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER   
WITH HIS LIFE.                  
UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER   
HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING      
UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER   
HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING      
WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE      
HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING      
WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE      
WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT   
WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE      
WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT   
IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR       
WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT   
IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR       
MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE          
IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR       
MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE          
LIFTING -- JUST LIKE THE WRIT   
MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE          
LIFTING -- JUST LIKE THE WRIT   
OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING    
LIFTING -- JUST LIKE THE WRIT   
OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING    
THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN    
OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING    
THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN    
WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF      
THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN    
WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF      
THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS   
WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF      
THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS   
& THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT     
THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS   
& THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT     
OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM       
& THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT     
OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM       
1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF   
OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM       
1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF   
FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE     
1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF   
FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE     
ONE LASTING PERMANENT           
FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE     
ONE LASTING PERMANENT           
CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT       
ONE LASTING PERMANENT           
CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT       
WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END         
CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT       
WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END         
SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME.           
WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END         
SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME.           
>> I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS    
SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME.           
>> I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS    
BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A      
>> I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS    
BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A      
MATTER OF FACT.                 
BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A      
MATTER OF FACT.                 
GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL     
MATTER OF FACT.                 
GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL     
AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN      
GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL     
AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN      
OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU           
AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN      
OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU           
CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT   
OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU           
CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT   
WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE   
CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT   
WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE   
BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE     
WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE   
BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE     
MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL      
BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE     
MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL      
PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN         
MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL      
PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN         
NORMAL?                         
PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN         
NORMAL?                         
>> WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON   
NORMAL?                         
>> WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON   
FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE     
>> WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON   
FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE     
WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN      
FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE     
WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN      
THE WORST DOESN'T OCCUR.        
WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN      
THE WORST DOESN'T OCCUR.        
ALWAYS.                         
THE WORST DOESN'T OCCUR.        
ALWAYS.                         
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
ALWAYS.                         
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST,    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST,    
I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY          
>> SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST,    
I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY          
PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS      
I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY          
PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS      
AND JUST LETTING THE -- KIND    
PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS      
AND JUST LETTING THE -- KIND    
OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS --     
AND JUST LETTING THE -- KIND    
OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS --     
FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT    
OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS --     
FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT    
FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE,    
FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT    
FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE,    
I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME    
FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE,    
I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME    
FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE        
I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME    
FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE        
THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT         
FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE        
THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT         
SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND         
THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT         
SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND         
HISTORIANS, THEY DON'T ALL      
SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND         
HISTORIANS, THEY DON'T ALL      
SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR   
HISTORIANS, THEY DON'T ALL      
SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR   
THE SAME WAY AND TONY           
SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR   
THE SAME WAY AND TONY           
DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT     
THE SAME WAY AND TONY           
DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT     
ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO        
DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT     
ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO        
WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS'       
ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO        
WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS'       
BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A    
WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS'       
BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A    
SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE        
BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A    
SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE        
GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS    
SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE        
GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS    
ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT         
GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS    
ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT         
LINCOLN'S LIFE AND TIMES,       
ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT         
LINCOLN'S LIFE AND TIMES,       
THAT THERE WAS BROAD            
LINCOLN'S LIFE AND TIMES,       
THAT THERE WAS BROAD            
AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO   
THAT THERE WAS BROAD            
AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO   
A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE    
AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO   
A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE    
DETAILS.                        
A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE    
DETAILS.                        
THAT'S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN    
DETAILS.                        
THAT'S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN    
FIND MY VOICE.                  
THAT'S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN    
FIND MY VOICE.                  
I CAN BE PART OF THAT           
FIND MY VOICE.                  
I CAN BE PART OF THAT           
DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY      
I CAN BE PART OF THAT           
DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY      
OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO   
DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY      
OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO   
TELLING THE STORY.              
OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO   
TELLING THE STORY.              
SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES,    
TELLING THE STORY.              
SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES,    
THAT -- MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I   
SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES,    
THAT -- MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I   
WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK     
THAT -- MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I   
WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK     
AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN.           
WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK     
AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN.           
THAT WAS IT.                    
AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN.           
THAT WAS IT.                    
>> THE ONE THING THAT IS SO     
THAT WAS IT.                    
>> THE ONE THING THAT IS SO     
AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO      
>> THE ONE THING THAT IS SO     
AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO      
SUCCESSFUL AS HE'S BEEN, YET,   
AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO      
SUCCESSFUL AS HE'S BEEN, YET,   
SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE    
SUCCESSFUL AS HE'S BEEN, YET,   
SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE    
WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE      
SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE    
WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE      
THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME.      
WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE      
THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME.      
I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY   
THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME.      
I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY   
HAS TO BE.                      
I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY   
HAS TO BE.                      
YOU CAN'T EVER TAKE ANYTHING    
HAS TO BE.                      
YOU CAN'T EVER TAKE ANYTHING    
FOR GRANTED, AND IT'S GREAT     
YOU CAN'T EVER TAKE ANYTHING    
FOR GRANTED, AND IT'S GREAT     
THAT YOU, TOO --                
FOR GRANTED, AND IT'S GREAT     
THAT YOU, TOO --                
>> WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO   
THAT YOU, TOO --                
>> WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO   
MUCH SCIENCE FICTION!           
>> WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO   
MUCH SCIENCE FICTION!           
NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT!        
MUCH SCIENCE FICTION!           
NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT!        
>>  [APPLAUSE]                  
NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT!        
>>  [APPLAUSE]                  
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>>  [APPLAUSE]                  
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF     
THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF     
>> IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF     
THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF     
THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON   
THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF     
THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON   
THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT --   
THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON   
THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT --   
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A      
THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT --   
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A      
LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I,       
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A      
LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I,       
WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT,     
LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I,       
WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT,     
SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS    
WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT,     
SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS    
WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF    
SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS    
WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF    
YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT          
WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF    
YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT          
ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS        
YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT          
ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS        
CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER   
ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS        
CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER   
OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL   
CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER   
OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL   
GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A   
OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL   
GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A   
THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER,     
GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A   
THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER,     
AND PROBABLY THE MOST           
THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER,     
AND PROBABLY THE MOST           
EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS     
AND PROBABLY THE MOST           
EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS     
OFFICE.                         
EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS     
OFFICE.                         
IF YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT   
OFFICE.                         
IF YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT   
LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS        
IF YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT   
LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS        
UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP   
LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS        
UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP   
WHO IS AS GREAT AS              
UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP   
WHO IS AS GREAT AS              
SHAKESPEARE, MOZART,            
WHO IS AS GREAT AS              
SHAKESPEARE, MOZART,            
WHATEVER, AND HE WAS            
SHAKESPEARE, MOZART,            
WHATEVER, AND HE WAS            
ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO,    
WHATEVER, AND HE WAS            
ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO,    
WE'RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I    
ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO,    
WE'RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I    
DON'T THINK -- IT'S NOT A       
WE'RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I    
DON'T THINK -- IT'S NOT A       
PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE      
DON'T THINK -- IT'S NOT A       
PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE      
HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT.      
PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE      
HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT.      
BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT   
HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT.      
BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT   
WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS   
BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT   
WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS   
SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE       
WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS   
SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE       
TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE    
SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE       
TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE    
BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A    
TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE    
BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A    
MOVIE THAT'S BOTH ABOUT         
BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A    
MOVIE THAT'S BOTH ABOUT         
ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO        
MOVIE THAT'S BOTH ABOUT         
ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO        
ABOUT THE HOUSE OF              
ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO        
ABOUT THE HOUSE OF              
REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH          
ABOUT THE HOUSE OF              
REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH          
DOESN'T FEATURE PROMINENTLY     
REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH          
DOESN'T FEATURE PROMINENTLY     
IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM         
DOESN'T FEATURE PROMINENTLY     
IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM         
MAKING.                         
IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM         
MAKING.                         
>> I THINK IT WILL IN THE       
MAKING.                         
>> I THINK IT WILL IN THE       
FUTURE.                         
>> I THINK IT WILL IN THE       
FUTURE.                         
>> RIGHT.                       
FUTURE.                         
>> RIGHT.                       
AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT    
>> RIGHT.                       
AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT    
WHAT WE JUST SAW.               
AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT    
WHAT WE JUST SAW.               
I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT      
WHAT WE JUST SAW.               
I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT      
POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT   
I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT      
POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT   
WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT   
POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT   
WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT   
ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF     
WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT   
ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF     
AND THE PROCESSES OF            
ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF     
AND THE PROCESSES OF            
GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER    
AND THE PROCESSES OF            
GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER    
OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A        
GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER    
OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A        
DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT   
OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A        
DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT   
WE'RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK       
DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT   
WE'RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK       
THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN    
WE'RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK       
THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN    
DOING IT.                       
THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN    
DOING IT.                       
DORIS' BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING   
DOING IT.                       
DORIS' BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING   
FOR US AND DORIS' LINCOLN IS    
DORIS' BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING   
FOR US AND DORIS' LINCOLN IS    
FIRST AND FOREMOST THE          
FOR US AND DORIS' LINCOLN IS    
FIRST AND FOREMOST THE          
POLITICAL -- I MEAN, HE'S A     
FIRST AND FOREMOST THE          
POLITICAL -- I MEAN, HE'S A     
FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A    
POLITICAL -- I MEAN, HE'S A     
FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A    
POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT'S      
FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A    
POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT'S      
SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN     
POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT'S      
SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN     
AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY     
SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN     
AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY     
CONVINCING.                     
AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY     
CONVINCING.                     
IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE      
CONVINCING.                     
IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE      
WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A   
IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE      
WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A   
STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT   
WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A   
STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT   
AT POLITICAL THEATER.           
STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT   
AT POLITICAL THEATER.           
>> RIGHT.                       
AT POLITICAL THEATER.           
>> RIGHT.                       
>> AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS    
>> RIGHT.                       
>> AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS    
BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT     
>> AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS    
BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT     
HIS TIME.                       
BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT     
HIS TIME.                       
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE   
HIS TIME.                       
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE   
TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A   
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE   
TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A   
GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING     
TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A   
GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING     
DECISIONS.                      
GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING     
DECISIONS.                      
SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY     
DECISIONS.                      
SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY     
TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT     
SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY     
TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT     
MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN    
TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT     
MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN    
THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE        
MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN    
THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE        
TELLING A STORY THAT            
THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE        
TELLING A STORY THAT            
WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE     
TELLING A STORY THAT            
WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE     
EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY     
WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE     
EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY     
OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF     
EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY     
OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF     
THE CIVIL WAR.                  
OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF     
THE CIVIL WAR.                  
IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE    
THE CIVIL WAR.                  
IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE    
POLITICAL ARENA.                
IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE    
POLITICAL ARENA.                
AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD     
POLITICAL ARENA.                
AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD     
BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME         
AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD     
BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME         
PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT    
BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME         
PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT    
THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE      
PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT    
THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE      
NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND   
THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE      
NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND   
AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING     
NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND   
AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING     
TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE      
AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING     
TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE      
THE CASE.                       
TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE      
THE CASE.                       
>> I -- ONE OF THE FUNNIEST     
THE CASE.                       
>> I -- ONE OF THE FUNNIEST     
MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING   
>> I -- ONE OF THE FUNNIEST     
MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING   
THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE,        
MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING   
THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE,        
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE       
THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE,        
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE       
POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH   
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE       
POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH   
THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT   
POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH   
THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT   
THE VOTE FOR                    
THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT   
THE VOTE FOR                    
AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY     
THE VOTE FOR                    
AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY     
SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN       
AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY     
SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN       
WILL VOTE SOME PLAY!            
SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN       
WILL VOTE SOME PLAY!            
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A       
WILL VOTE SOME PLAY!            
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A       
BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS!            
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A       
BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS!            
BUT --                          
BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS!            
BUT --                          
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
BUT --                          
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> DORIS, THE INTERESTING       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> DORIS, THE INTERESTING       
THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU   
>> DORIS, THE INTERESTING       
THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU   
PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS   
THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU   
PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS   
THAT IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN   
PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS   
THAT IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN   
THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES.      
THAT IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN   
THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES.      
WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE   
THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES.      
WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE   
WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID    
WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE   
WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID    
YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?            
WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID    
YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?            
>> WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG       
YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?            
>> WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG       
WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT'S     
>> WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG       
WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT'S     
NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD     
WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT'S     
NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD     
ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT'S        
NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD     
ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT'S        
GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD     
ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT'S        
GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD     
STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY   
GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD     
STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY   
BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME     
STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY   
BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME     
DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300     
BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME     
DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300     
TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO    
DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300     
TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO    
ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND       
TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO    
ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND       
WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS          
ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND       
WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS          
LINCOLN.                        
WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS          
LINCOLN.                        
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE      
LINCOLN.                        
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE      
PLOT IS.                        
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE      
PLOT IS.                        
THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE   
PLOT IS.                        
THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE   
MOVIE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO    
THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE   
MOVIE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO    
GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING,      
MOVIE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO    
GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING,      
MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD    
GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING,      
MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD    
ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN    
MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD    
ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN    
ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST      
ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN    
ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST      
IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE     
ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST      
IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE     
THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD,      
IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE     
THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD,      
THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN          
THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD,      
THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN          
ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN   
THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN          
ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN   
COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE      
ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN   
COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE      
LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH            
COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE      
LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH            
STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND    
LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH            
STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND    
THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE       
STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND    
THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE       
THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE     
THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE       
THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE     
GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE    
THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE     
GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE    
AND HE'S LEAVING AND HE PUTS    
GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE    
AND HE'S LEAVING AND HE PUTS    
HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH       
AND HE'S LEAVING AND HE PUTS    
HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH       
OPERATOR'S, THE SCENES WHEN     
HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH       
OPERATOR'S, THE SCENES WHEN     
HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD      
OPERATOR'S, THE SCENES WHEN     
HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD      
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT            
HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD      
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT            
INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS       
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT            
INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS       
FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS           
INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS       
FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS           
RESPONSIBLE.                    
FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS           
RESPONSIBLE.                    
I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT     
RESPONSIBLE.                    
I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT     
TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN      
I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT     
TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN      
TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS   
TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN      
TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS   
LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE      
TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS   
LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE      
INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE        
LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE      
INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE        
BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD          
INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE        
BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD          
EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT        
BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD          
EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT        
LETTING THE PEACE               
EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT        
LETTING THE PEACE               
COMMISSIONERS COMING TO         
LETTING THE PEACE               
COMMISSIONERS COMING TO         
WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS   
COMMISSIONERS COMING TO         
WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS   
REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE      
WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS   
REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE      
HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS           
REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE      
HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS           
PRESIDENT.                      
HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS           
PRESIDENT.                      
SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY   
PRESIDENT.                      
SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY   
THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE     
SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY   
THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE     
WITH.                           
THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE     
WITH.                           
SO I'M VERY GLAD.               
WITH.                           
SO I'M VERY GLAD.               
>> NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING    
SO I'M VERY GLAD.               
>> NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING    
THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF         
>> NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING    
THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF         
COURSE, THE CASTING, THE        
THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF         
COURSE, THE CASTING, THE        
LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR         
COURSE, THE CASTING, THE        
LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR         
DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN   
LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR         
DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN   
THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS,     
DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN   
THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS,     
LET'S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE    
THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS,     
LET'S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE    
LEAST.                          
LET'S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE    
LEAST.                          
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
LEAST.                          
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING,   
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING,   
BUT OTHERS --                   
>> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING,   
BUT OTHERS --                   
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
BUT OTHERS --                   
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> WOULD YOU SPEAK ON           
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> WOULD YOU SPEAK ON           
CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE        
>> WOULD YOU SPEAK ON           
CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE        
LOCATION?                       
CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE        
LOCATION?                       
STEVE?                          
LOCATION?                       
STEVE?                          
>> I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN   
STEVE?                          
>> I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN   
VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO   
>> I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN   
VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO   
PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN,       
VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO   
PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN,       
WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS    
PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN,       
WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS    
SHOT HERE.                      
WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS    
SHOT HERE.                      
I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES,   
SHOT HERE.                      
I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES,   
WAR OF THE WORLDS AND           
I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES,   
WAR OF THE WORLDS AND           
MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT     
WAR OF THE WORLDS AND           
MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT     
ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT    
MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT     
ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT    
HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF   
ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT    
HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF   
WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS    
HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF   
WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS    
VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE   
WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS    
VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE   
AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT    
VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE   
AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT    
ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A          
AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT    
ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A          
GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC         
ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A          
GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC         
LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A       
GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC         
LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A       
LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF         
LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A       
LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF         
COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE,    
LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF         
COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE,    
WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US    
COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE,    
WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US    
AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING     
WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US    
AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING     
AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH    
AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING     
AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH    
EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO   
AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH    
EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO   
BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING    
EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO   
BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING    
REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND       
BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING    
REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND       
I'VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE       
REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND       
I'VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE       
THEY'RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT       
I'VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE       
THEY'RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT       
THAT.                           
THEY'RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT       
THAT.                           
AND -- BUT WE WERE              
THAT.                           
AND -- BUT WE WERE              
CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW,          
AND -- BUT WE WERE              
CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW,          
BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON   
CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW,          
BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON   
A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR     
BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON   
A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR     
WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I   
A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR     
WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I   
COULDN'T REALLY SPEND THE       
WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I   
COULDN'T REALLY SPEND THE       
KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I   
COULDN'T REALLY SPEND THE       
KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I   
WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR    
KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I   
WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR    
-- WHICH I MADE BEFORE          
WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR    
-- WHICH I MADE BEFORE          
LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY    
-- WHICH I MADE BEFORE          
LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY    
NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE     
LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY    
NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE     
TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS         
NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE     
TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS         
INCENTIVE IN THAT.              
TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS         
INCENTIVE IN THAT.              
THANK YOU GOVERNOR              
INCENTIVE IN THAT.              
THANK YOU GOVERNOR              
McDONNELL!                      
THANK YOU GOVERNOR              
McDONNELL!                      
>>  IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE.    
McDONNELL!                      
>>  IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE.    
BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING     
>>  IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE.    
BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING     
HERE WAS ONE PHONE              
BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING     
HERE WAS ONE PHONE              
CONVERSATION WITH YOUR          
HERE WAS ONE PHONE              
CONVERSATION WITH YOUR          
GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT   
CONVERSATION WITH YOUR          
GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT   
--                              
GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT   
--                              
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
--                              
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> WHERE HE GOT VERY            
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> WHERE HE GOT VERY            
PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS    
>> WHERE HE GOT VERY            
PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS    
TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF         
PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS    
TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF         
HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING   
TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF         
HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING   
LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM   
HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING   
LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM   
MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH   
LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM   
MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH   
SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE   
MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH   
SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE   
AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS        
SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE   
AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS        
MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL    
AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS        
MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL    
THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON,   
MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL    
THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON,   
AND WE WOULD BE VERY            
THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON,   
AND WE WOULD BE VERY            
COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE,      
AND WE WOULD BE VERY            
COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE,      
TELLING THE STORY.              
COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE,      
TELLING THE STORY.              
>> WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS       
TELLING THE STORY.              
>> WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS       
REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF     
>> WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS       
REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF     
COMING HOME TO THE MANSION      
REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF     
COMING HOME TO THE MANSION      
AND FINDING THE UNION           
COMING HOME TO THE MANSION      
AND FINDING THE UNION           
SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN.     
AND FINDING THE UNION           
SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN.     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN.     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> AND GOING INSIDE THE         
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> AND GOING INSIDE THE         
MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN     
>> AND GOING INSIDE THE         
MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN     
IN THE KITCHEN!                 
MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN     
IN THE KITCHEN!                 
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
IN THE KITCHEN!                 
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE    
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE    
OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM,    
>> I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE    
OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM,    
ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY      
OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM,    
ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY      
STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED.         
ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY      
STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED.         
BUT I DIDN'T DO IT.             
STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED.         
BUT I DIDN'T DO IT.             
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
BUT I DIDN'T DO IT.             
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY   
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY   
AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE   
>> HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY   
AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE   
PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST   
AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE   
PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST   
ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN      
PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST   
ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN      
ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN    
ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN      
ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN    
HISTORICAL PERIOD?              
ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN    
HISTORICAL PERIOD?              
I MEAN, THAT'S --               
HISTORICAL PERIOD?              
I MEAN, THAT'S --               
>> THE THING I REALLY LIKE      
I MEAN, THAT'S --               
>> THE THING I REALLY LIKE      
EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS      
>> THE THING I REALLY LIKE      
EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS      
THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST,      
EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS      
THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST,      
THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF         
THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST,      
THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF         
TRADITION AND THERE'S A GREAT   
THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF         
TRADITION AND THERE'S A GREAT   
DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST,   
TRADITION AND THERE'S A GREAT   
DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST,   
AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY,    
DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST,   
AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY,    
AND A PRESERVATION OF           
AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY,    
AND A PRESERVATION OF           
HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND       
AND A PRESERVATION OF           
HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND       
MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT    
HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND       
MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT    
WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT   
MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT    
WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT   
HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE      
WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT   
HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE      
COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW   
HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE      
COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW   
ENGLAND.                        
COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW   
ENGLAND.                        
THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPECT      
ENGLAND.                        
THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPECT      
FOR HISTORY.                    
THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPECT      
FOR HISTORY.                    
SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND    
FOR HISTORY.                    
SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND    
IT'S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR           
SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND    
IT'S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR           
DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF   
IT'S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR           
DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF   
THE TELEPHONE WIRES,            
DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF   
THE TELEPHONE WIRES,            
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY     
THE TELEPHONE WIRES,            
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY     
AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE    
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY     
AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE    
IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO     
AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE    
IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO     
TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS      
IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO     
TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS      
PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN,       
TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS      
PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN,       
VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT      
PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN,       
VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT      
PLACE IN AMERICA.               
VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT      
PLACE IN AMERICA.               
>> AND -- NOT TO SOUR THAT,     
PLACE IN AMERICA.               
>> AND -- NOT TO SOUR THAT,     
BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I      
>> AND -- NOT TO SOUR THAT,     
BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I      
WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT     
BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I      
WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT     
THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE    
WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT     
THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE    
HISTORICAL -- I MEAN THE        
THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE    
HISTORICAL -- I MEAN THE        
HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY    
HISTORICAL -- I MEAN THE        
HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY    
IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS     
HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY    
IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS     
GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME       
IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS     
GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME       
THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF     
GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME       
THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF     
THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH   
THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF     
THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH   
OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE   
THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH   
OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE   
THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO       
OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE   
THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO       
SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE     
THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO       
SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE     
GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR -- THE     
SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE     
GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR -- THE     
GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY,     
GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR -- THE     
GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY,     
THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE   
GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY,     
THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE   
ILY IN RUN DOWN                 
THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE   
ILY IN RUN DOWN                 
CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF        
ILY IN RUN DOWN                 
CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF        
PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE       
CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF        
PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE       
PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT       
PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE       
PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT       
EXPENDITURE.                    
PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT       
EXPENDITURE.                    
>> THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE     
EXPENDITURE.                    
>> THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE     
LIMIT LYNN -- OF THE FILM       
>> THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE     
LIMIT LYNN -- OF THE FILM       
LINCOLN.                        
LIMIT LYNN -- OF THE FILM       
LINCOLN.                        
SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE'S       
LINCOLN.                        
SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE'S       
BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE   
SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE'S       
BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE   
GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM      
BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE   
GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM      
OFFICE ARE WORKING -- THERE     
GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM      
OFFICE ARE WORKING -- THERE     
ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES,      
OFFICE ARE WORKING -- THERE     
ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES,      
THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE   
ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES,      
THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE   
IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE        
THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE   
IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE        
POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK     
IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE        
POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK     
THAT YOU DO.                    
POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK     
THAT YOU DO.                    
>> I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN      
THAT YOU DO.                    
>> I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN      
PETERSBURG.                     
>> I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN      
PETERSBURG.                     
IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU   
PETERSBURG.                     
IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU   
LET ME KNOW?                    
IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU   
LET ME KNOW?                    
IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA   
LET ME KNOW?                    
IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA   
ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT      
IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA   
ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT      
COUNCIL.                        
ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT      
COUNCIL.                        
>> WOW, WAS IT YOURS?           
COUNCIL.                        
>> WOW, WAS IT YOURS?           
SINCE YOU WERE A KID?           
>> WOW, WAS IT YOURS?           
SINCE YOU WERE A KID?           
>> MY GRANDPA'S.                
SINCE YOU WERE A KID?           
>> MY GRANDPA'S.                
>> MY GOD.                      
>> MY GRANDPA'S.                
>> MY GOD.                      
>> WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT!         
>> MY GOD.                      
>> WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT!         
>>  300 PEOPLE ARE --           
>> WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT!         
>>  300 PEOPLE ARE --           
>> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE!   
>>  300 PEOPLE ARE --           
>> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE!   
>>  IF YOU WANT TO GET ON       
>> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE!   
>>  IF YOU WANT TO GET ON       
TELEVISION -- BY STEVEN         
>>  IF YOU WANT TO GET ON       
TELEVISION -- BY STEVEN         
SPIELBERG.                      
TELEVISION -- BY STEVEN         
SPIELBERG.                      
>> PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING     
SPIELBERG.                      
>> PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING     
BANDS.                          
>> PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING     
BANDS.                          
>> YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME      
BANDS.                          
>> YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME      
AWAITS YOU!                     
>> YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME      
AWAITS YOU!                     
>>  SPEAKING OF SOMETHING,      
AWAITS YOU!                     
>>  SPEAKING OF SOMETHING,      
AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO       
>>  SPEAKING OF SOMETHING,      
AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO       
WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT     
AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO       
WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT     
EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU        
WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT     
EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU        
FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE        
EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU        
FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE        
MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU       
FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE        
MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU       
COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH,    
MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU       
COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH,    
BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK   
COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH,    
BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK   
KEYS, AND -- BUT WERE YOU NOT   
BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK   
KEYS, AND -- BUT WERE YOU NOT   
WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF     
KEYS, AND -- BUT WERE YOU NOT   
WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF     
SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE       
WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF     
SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE       
LITERARY DENSITY OF THE         
SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE       
LITERARY DENSITY OF THE         
MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE      
LITERARY DENSITY OF THE         
MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE      
HEAD OF THE FILM GOER?          
MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE      
HEAD OF THE FILM GOER?          
>> I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED   
HEAD OF THE FILM GOER?          
>> I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED   
IT WOULD.                       
>> I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED   
IT WOULD.                       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
IT WOULD.                       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY    
COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO     
>> AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY    
COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO     
MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR          
COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO     
MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR          
UNDERSTANDING OF THESE          
MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR          
UNDERSTANDING OF THESE          
DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED          
UNDERSTANDING OF THESE          
DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED          
ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT      
DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED          
ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT      
HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT      
ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT      
HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT      
WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS,     
HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT      
WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS,     
AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE        
WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS,     
AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE        
YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO   
AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE        
YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO   
REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND      
YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO   
REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND      
WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY         
REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND      
WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY         
SAYING.                         
WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY         
SAYING.                         
BUT THAT WASN'T THE REAL        
SAYING.                         
BUT THAT WASN'T THE REAL        
POINT.                          
BUT THAT WASN'T THE REAL        
POINT.                          
THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD     
POINT.                          
THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD     
HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO    
THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD     
HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO    
HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE      
HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO    
HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE      
AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE     
HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE      
AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE     
PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE       
AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE     
PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE       
THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE   
PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE       
THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE   
AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE      
THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE   
AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE      
MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY -- BUT   
AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE      
MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY -- BUT   
THE THING THAT'S SO AMAZING     
MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY -- BUT   
THE THING THAT'S SO AMAZING     
IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE      
THE THING THAT'S SO AMAZING     
IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE      
PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE      
IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE      
PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE      
ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN   
PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE      
ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN   
AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB   
ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN   
AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB   
ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF   
AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB   
ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF   
YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN THE    
ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF   
YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN THE    
FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE       
YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN THE    
FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE       
ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN    
FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE       
ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN    
AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY       
ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN    
AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY       
DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN.   
AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY       
DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN.   
AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD     
DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN.   
AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD     
IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY         
AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD     
IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY         
ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON      
IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY         
ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON      
THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT      
ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON      
THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT      
VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN       
THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT      
VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN       
WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE       
VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN       
WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE       
JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE        
WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE       
JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE        
JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR       
JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE        
JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR       
LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL     
JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR       
LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL     
DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS      
LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL     
DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS      
BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU          
DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS      
BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU          
CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL    
BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU          
CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL    
INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON    
CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL    
INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON    
A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN        
INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON    
A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN        
EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY'RE   
A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN        
EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY'RE   
TRYING TO SAY.                  
EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY'RE   
TRYING TO SAY.                  
>> YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS.   
TRYING TO SAY.                  
>> YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS.   
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE   
>> YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS.   
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE   
INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS   
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE   
INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS   
IN THIS FILM, THAT'S OUR        
INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS   
IN THIS FILM, THAT'S OUR        
SYMBOL FOR THE FILM.            
IN THIS FILM, THAT'S OUR        
SYMBOL FOR THE FILM.            
HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR      
SYMBOL FOR THE FILM.            
HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR      
YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE        
HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR      
YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE        
ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO   
YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE        
ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO   
FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME   
ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO   
FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME   
TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS   
FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME   
TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS   
A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION?     
TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS   
A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION?     
ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE    
A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION?     
ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE    
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS?               
ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE    
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS?               
>> YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY         
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS?               
>> YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY         
HELPED?                         
>> YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY         
HELPED?                         
WE DIDN'T DO ANY IMPROVISING,   
HELPED?                         
WE DIDN'T DO ANY IMPROVISING,   
BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR      
WE DIDN'T DO ANY IMPROVISING,   
BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR      
21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE       
BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR      
21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE       
ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE   
21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE       
ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE   
19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO   
ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE   
19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO   
INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY     
19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO   
INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY     
ARE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME     
INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY     
ARE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME     
OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE     
ARE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME     
OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE     
DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE       
OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE     
DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE       
TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE      
DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE       
TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE      
STUCK WITH THE LINE -- WITH     
TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE      
STUCK WITH THE LINE -- WITH     
THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE.      
STUCK WITH THE LINE -- WITH     
THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE.      
WE DIDN'T GO OFF THE SCRIPT     
THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE.      
WE DIDN'T GO OFF THE SCRIPT     
AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE       
WE DIDN'T GO OFF THE SCRIPT     
AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE       
SCRIPT, I'D HEAR FROM TONY.     
AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE       
SCRIPT, I'D HEAR FROM TONY.     
HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY    
SCRIPT, I'D HEAR FROM TONY.     
HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY    
AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT     
HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY    
AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT     
OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED      
AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT     
OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED      
NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE       
OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED      
NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE       
FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD,      
NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE       
FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD,      
BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE     
FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD,      
BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE     
ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE     
BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE     
ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE     
REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE     
ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE     
REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE     
TEXT.                           
REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE     
TEXT.                           
IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.    
TEXT.                           
IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.    
TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS     
IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.    
TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS     
WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A     
TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS     
WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A     
DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK.     
WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A     
DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK.     
IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING     
DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK.     
IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING     
THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF    
IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING     
THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF    
THE PERIOD.                     
THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF    
THE PERIOD.                     
I DIDN'T TELL THE ACTORS THEY   
THE PERIOD.                     
I DIDN'T TELL THE ACTORS THEY   
COULDN'T COME UP WITH           
I DIDN'T TELL THE ACTORS THEY   
COULDN'T COME UP WITH           
INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR      
COULDN'T COME UP WITH           
INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR      
OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR       
INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR      
OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR       
IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART    
OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR       
IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART    
OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING.   
IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART    
OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING.   
>> HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE   
OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING.   
>> HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE   
OF THE 19TH CENTURY             
>> HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE   
OF THE 19TH CENTURY             
CHARACTERS?                     
OF THE 19TH CENTURY             
CHARACTERS?                     
I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO -- OF       
CHARACTERS?                     
I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO -- OF       
COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I    
I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO -- OF       
COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I    
READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO    
COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I    
READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO    
ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE      
READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO    
ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE      
CADENCE.                        
ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE      
CADENCE.                        
>> DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME    
CADENCE.                        
>> DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME    
FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT      
>> DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME    
FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT      
THERE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTS THAT   
FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT      
THERE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTS THAT   
ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF     
THERE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTS THAT   
ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF     
EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE   
ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF     
EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE   
WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE        
EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE   
WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE        
SPONTANEOUSLY.                  
WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE        
SPONTANEOUSLY.                  
IT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE   
SPONTANEOUSLY.                  
IT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE   
19TH CENTURY.                   
IT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE   
19TH CENTURY.                   
BUT THERE'S ENOUGH              
19TH CENTURY.                   
BUT THERE'S ENOUGH              
TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN    
BUT THERE'S ENOUGH              
TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN    
TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE       
TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN    
TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE       
WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY       
TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE       
WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY       
USED AND HOW MUCH MORE          
WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY       
USED AND HOW MUCH MORE          
COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS.    
USED AND HOW MUCH MORE          
COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS.    
I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT       
COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS.    
I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT       
SEEMED IN ANY WAY               
I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT       
SEEMED IN ANY WAY               
ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH   
SEEMED IN ANY WAY               
ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH   
OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD   
ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH   
OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD   
US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE    
OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD   
US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE    
ENGLISH LANGUAGE.               
US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE    
ENGLISH LANGUAGE.               
>> GLASER GASTED!               
ENGLISH LANGUAGE.               
>> GLASER GASTED!               
>>  -- FLABBERGASTED!           
>> GLASER GASTED!               
>>  -- FLABBERGASTED!           
>>  I'M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO   
>>  -- FLABBERGASTED!           
>>  I'M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO   
EVER USE THAT WORD!             
>>  I'M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO   
EVER USE THAT WORD!             
>>  YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I READ    
EVER USE THAT WORD!             
>>  YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I READ    
A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A      
>>  YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I READ    
A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A      
LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT     
A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A      
LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT     
19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A    
LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT     
19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A    
CERTAIN AMOUNT.                 
19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A    
CERTAIN AMOUNT.                 
AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF   
CERTAIN AMOUNT.                 
AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF   
DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS     
AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF   
DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS     
GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY       
DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS     
GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY       
WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN     
GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY       
WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN     
BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY   
WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN     
BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY   
PUBLISHED -- THEY PUBLISHED     
BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY   
PUBLISHED -- THEY PUBLISHED     
IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY          
PUBLISHED -- THEY PUBLISHED     
IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY          
SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF          
IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY          
SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF          
CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT,     
SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF          
CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT,     
AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER --   
CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT,     
AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER --   
ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND     
AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER --   
ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND     
OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS     
ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND     
OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS     
THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY    
OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS     
THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY    
AND SPENT PART OF HIS           
THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY    
AND SPENT PART OF HIS           
CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN      
AND SPENT PART OF HIS           
CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN      
LIVED IN ILLINOIS.              
CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN      
LIVED IN ILLINOIS.              
BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR    
LIVED IN ILLINOIS.              
BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR    
APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND      
BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR    
APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND      
WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE   
APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND      
WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE   
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK     
WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE   
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK     
OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD       
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK     
OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD       
SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF     
OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD       
SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF     
HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE    
SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF     
HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE    
A SOUTHERNER, I'M NOT --        
HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE    
A SOUTHERNER, I'M NOT --        
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
A SOUTHERNER, I'M NOT --        
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> MY GOD!                      
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> MY GOD!                      
>>  OH, NO.                     
>> MY GOD!                      
>>  OH, NO.                     
>> AND WITH YOU -- AND YOU      
>>  OH, NO.                     
>> AND WITH YOU -- AND YOU      
WERE DOING SO WELL!             
>> AND WITH YOU -- AND YOU      
WERE DOING SO WELL!             
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
WERE DOING SO WELL!             
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE   
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE   
PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD    
>> IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE   
PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD    
KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE     
PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD    
KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE     
THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY    
KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE     
THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY    
OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED   
THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY    
OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED   
SOUTHERN.                       
OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED   
SOUTHERN.                       
THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS.          
SOUTHERN.                       
THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS.          
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF         
THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS.          
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF         
PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND   
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF         
PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND   
THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.        
PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND   
THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.        
BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS     
THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.        
BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS     
ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE   
BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS     
ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE   
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT,      
ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE   
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT,      
AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO     
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT,      
AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO     
AN ENGLISH ACCENT.              
AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO     
AN ENGLISH ACCENT.              
>> YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS   
AN ENGLISH ACCENT.              
>> YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS   
SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES       
>> YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS   
SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES       
INTO A SORT OF NOT -- I MEAN,   
SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES       
INTO A SORT OF NOT -- I MEAN,   
HE'S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN    
INTO A SORT OF NOT -- I MEAN,   
HE'S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN    
ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A        
HE'S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN    
ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A        
SOUTHERN -- AN AMERICAN DOING   
ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A        
SOUTHERN -- AN AMERICAN DOING   
IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT        
SOUTHERN -- AN AMERICAN DOING   
IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT        
ENGLISH ACCENT.                 
IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT        
ENGLISH ACCENT.                 
IT'S REALLY TERRIFYING.         
ENGLISH ACCENT.                 
IT'S REALLY TERRIFYING.         
>> DANIEL DEI, FROM -- DAY,     
IT'S REALLY TERRIFYING.         
>> DANIEL DEI, FROM -- DAY,     
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,         
>> DANIEL DEI, FROM -- DAY,     
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,         
ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND       
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,         
ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND       
STAYED IN IT 24/7.              
ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND       
STAYED IN IT 24/7.              
>> YES.                         
STAYED IN IT 24/7.              
>> YES.                         
>> HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM      
>> YES.                         
>> HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM      
WHEN IT'S QUITTING TIME, DO     
>> HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM      
WHEN IT'S QUITTING TIME, DO     
YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND   
WHEN IT'S QUITTING TIME, DO     
YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND   
HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT?         
YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND   
HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT?         
>> HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS.        
HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT?         
>> HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS.        
THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET,   
>> HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS.        
THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET,   
HE WASN'T KILL THE BUTCHER,     
THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET,   
HE WASN'T KILL THE BUTCHER,     
SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO    
HE WASN'T KILL THE BUTCHER,     
SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO    
HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD     
SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO    
HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD     
WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT   
HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD     
WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT   
AND HAVE A COMPLETE             
WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT   
AND HAVE A COMPLETE             
CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND       
AND HAVE A COMPLETE             
CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND       
FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT   
CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND       
FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT   
WAS WONDERFUL.                  
FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT   
WAS WONDERFUL.                  
THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE   
WAS WONDERFUL.                  
THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE   
MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON   
THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE   
MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON   
HIS DEATH BED, IN THE           
MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON   
HIS DEATH BED, IN THE           
PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL     
HIS DEATH BED, IN THE           
PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL     
DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS   
PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL     
DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS   
TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS   
DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS   
TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS   
UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE       
TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS   
UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE       
HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME   
UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE       
HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME   
IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST    
HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME   
IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST    
TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR     
IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST    
TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR     
MONTHS.                         
TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR     
MONTHS.                         
IT WAS MY UNDOING.              
MONTHS.                         
IT WAS MY UNDOING.              
HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS      
IT WAS MY UNDOING.              
HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS      
QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO         
HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS      
QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO         
CHARACTER.                      
QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO         
CHARACTER.                      
BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM    
CHARACTER.                      
BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM    
LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS   
BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM    
LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS   
OF SHOOTING.                    
LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS   
OF SHOOTING.                    
>> AND THE INCREDIBLE THING,    
OF SHOOTING.                    
>> AND THE INCREDIBLE THING,    
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE     
>> AND THE INCREDIBLE THING,    
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE     
OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE,      
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE     
OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE,      
WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS   
OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE,      
WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS   
IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN.          
WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS   
IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN.          
HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY      
IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN.          
HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY      
AND THEY'D THINK MY GOD,        
HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY      
AND THEY'D THINK MY GOD,        
MR. LINCOLN IS COMING.          
AND THEY'D THINK MY GOD,        
MR. LINCOLN IS COMING.          
THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON    
MR. LINCOLN IS COMING.          
THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON    
TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW        
THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON    
TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW        
ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED    
TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW        
ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED    
TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE      
ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED    
TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE      
WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM     
TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE      
WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM     
FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY    
WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM     
FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY    
ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS    
FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY    
ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS    
AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT   
ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS    
AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT   
AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM,       
AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT   
AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM,       
MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT      
AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM,       
MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT      
AND HE REMEMBERED THAT          
MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT      
AND HE REMEMBERED THAT          
STANDON HAD HAD THIS --         
AND HE REMEMBERED THAT          
STANDON HAD HAD THIS --         
STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT      
STANDON HAD HAD THIS --         
STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT      
WITH LYNNON IN THE '50S,        
STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT      
WITH LYNNON IN THE '50S,        
WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED    
WITH LYNNON IN THE '50S,        
WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED    
STANTON, WHICH MADE IT          
WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED    
STANTON, WHICH MADE IT          
AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN      
STANTON, WHICH MADE IT          
AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN      
THE CABINET, SO HE SAID         
AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN      
THE CABINET, SO HE SAID         
MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY        
THE CABINET, SO HE SAID         
MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY        
ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850     
MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY        
ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850     
AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE     
ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850     
AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE     
SAID IT'S ALL RIGHT.            
AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE     
SAID IT'S ALL RIGHT.            
THAT'S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO     
SAID IT'S ALL RIGHT.            
THAT'S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO     
HIM.                            
THAT'S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO     
HIM.                            
>> HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK   
HIM.                            
>> HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK   
UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN   
>> HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK   
UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN   
THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR    
UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN   
THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR    
THE FIRST TIME?                 
THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR    
THE FIRST TIME?                 
>> I THINK THE -- WELL, I       
THE FIRST TIME?                 
>> I THINK THE -- WELL, I       
DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THE SET,      
>> I THINK THE -- WELL, I       
DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THE SET,      
BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE      
DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THE SET,      
BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE      
SET, HE WASN'T ACTING THE       
BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE      
SET, HE WASN'T ACTING THE       
DAYS THAT I WAS THERE.          
SET, HE WASN'T ACTING THE       
DAYS THAT I WAS THERE.          
BUT YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID      
DAYS THAT I WAS THERE.          
BUT YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID      
BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE    
BUT YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID      
BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE    
HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE     
BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE    
HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE     
PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME    
HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE     
PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME    
THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS      
PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME    
THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS      
GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL,     
THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS      
GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL,     
AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS    
GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL,     
AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS    
WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL       
AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS    
WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL       
MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU     
WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL       
MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU     
AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE       
MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU     
AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE       
ACTORS.                         
AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE       
ACTORS.                         
THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE       
ACTORS.                         
THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE       
THEY'RE BACK IN THAT TIME.      
THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE       
THEY'RE BACK IN THAT TIME.      
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED   
THEY'RE BACK IN THAT TIME.      
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED   
WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT      
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED   
WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT      
BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT    
WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT      
BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT    
THE TIME, WHAT DID THE          
BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT    
THE TIME, WHAT DID THE          
WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE.            
THE TIME, WHAT DID THE          
WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE.            
THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE         
WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE.            
THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE         
CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT      
THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE         
CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT      
WAS.                            
CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT      
WAS.                            
AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT    
WAS.                            
AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT    
A DIRECTOR IN THE '20S, ERIC    
AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT    
A DIRECTOR IN THE '20S, ERIC    
STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED   
A DIRECTOR IN THE '20S, ERIC    
STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED   
FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY   
STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED   
FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY   
LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME    
FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY   
LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME    
WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE    
LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME    
WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE    
WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK       
WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE    
WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK       
UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'D    
WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK       
UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'D    
NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD     
UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'D    
NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD     
FEEL WEALTHY.                   
NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD     
FEEL WEALTHY.                   
>> I THINK IT WAS MORE TO       
FEEL WEALTHY.                   
>> I THINK IT WAS MORE TO       
MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING!       
>> I THINK IT WAS MORE TO       
MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING!       
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING!       
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> NOW I'M GOING TO GO!         
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> NOW I'M GOING TO GO!         
>>  OKAY!                       
>> NOW I'M GOING TO GO!         
>>  OKAY!                       
>>  SPEAKING OF THIS, I         
>>  OKAY!                       
>>  SPEAKING OF THIS, I         
UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR    
>>  SPEAKING OF THIS, I         
UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR    
THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT      
UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR    
THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT      
AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE        
THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT      
AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE        
ENTIRE SHOOT.                   
AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE        
ENTIRE SHOOT.                   
>> I DID.                       
ENTIRE SHOOT.                   
>> I DID.                       
BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS,     
>> I DID.                       
BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS,     
IT'S INTERESTING, I GOT SO      
BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS,     
IT'S INTERESTING, I GOT SO      
INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I     
IT'S INTERESTING, I GOT SO      
INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I     
CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY    
INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I     
CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY    
-- I DIDN'T CALL DANIEL         
CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY    
-- I DIDN'T CALL DANIEL         
MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT    
-- I DIDN'T CALL DANIEL         
MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT    
AND TURN AROUND AND CALL        
MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT    
AND TURN AROUND AND CALL        
STANTON BRUCE.                  
AND TURN AROUND AND CALL        
STANTON BRUCE.                  
I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE       
STANTON BRUCE.                  
I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE       
CHARACTER NAMES.                
I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE       
CHARACTER NAMES.                
I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID,      
CHARACTER NAMES.                
I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID,      
DAVID, I CALLED HIM             
I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID,      
DAVID, I CALLED HIM             
MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE        
DAVID, I CALLED HIM             
MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE        
JONES, -- SALLY FIELD AND I     
MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE        
JONES, -- SALLY FIELD AND I     
HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER    
JONES, -- SALLY FIELD AND I     
HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER    
40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY        
HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER    
40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY        
WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS   
40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY        
WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS   
WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER    
WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS   
WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER    
AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY    
WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER    
AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY    
TODD.                           
AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY    
TODD.                           
THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING      
TODD.                           
THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING      
FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER     
THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING      
FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER     
SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE     
FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER     
SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE     
AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT   
SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE     
AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT   
RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE      
AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT   
RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE      
ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE     
RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE      
ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE     
COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE   
ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE     
COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE   
WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS,   
COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE   
WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS,   
THAT'S WHAT THE FROCKING        
WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS,   
THAT'S WHAT THE FROCKING        
LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE       
THAT'S WHAT THE FROCKING        
LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE       
THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT    
LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE       
THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT    
YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT      
THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT    
YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT      
PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING           
YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT      
PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING           
SOMETHING LASTING, YOU'RE       
PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING           
SOMETHING LASTING, YOU'RE       
DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING   
SOMETHING LASTING, YOU'RE       
DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING   
TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF    
DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING   
TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF    
TIME.                           
TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF    
TIME.                           
LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE   
TIME.                           
LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE   
DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE    
LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE   
DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE    
ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE    
DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE    
ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE    
TO HIS LEGACY.                  
ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE    
TO HIS LEGACY.                  
IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE   
TO HIS LEGACY.                  
IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE   
PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO          
IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE   
PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO          
HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO       
PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO          
HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO       
STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT     
HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO       
STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT     
TEST OF TIME.                   
STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT     
TEST OF TIME.                   
>> WONDERFUL.                   
TEST OF TIME.                   
>> WONDERFUL.                   
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> WONDERFUL.                   
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> ONE OF THE MANY THINGS       
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> ONE OF THE MANY THINGS       
THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE   
>> ONE OF THE MANY THINGS       
THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE   
OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING      
THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE   
OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING      
ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS        
OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING      
ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS        
PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY         
ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS        
PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY         
IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'VE              
PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY         
IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'VE              
RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A      
IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'VE              
RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A      
FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL   
RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A      
FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL   
FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS,     
FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL   
FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS,     
ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH     
FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS,     
ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH     
KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG,        
ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH     
KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG,        
VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO             
KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG,        
VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO             
CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW.      
VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO             
CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW.      
HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU    
CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW.      
HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU    
TO HAVE THESE SORT OF           
HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU    
TO HAVE THESE SORT OF           
FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN         
TO HAVE THESE SORT OF           
FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN         
ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY?      
FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN         
ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY?      
>> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE       
ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY?      
>> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE       
FIRST THING THAT I CARED        
>> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE       
FIRST THING THAT I CARED        
ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE     
FIRST THING THAT I CARED        
ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE     
MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON     
ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE     
MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON     
THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN,   
MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON     
THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN,   
AND HE'S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT     
THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN,   
AND HE'S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT     
HASN'T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH       
AND HE'S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT     
HASN'T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH       
HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE    
HASN'T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH       
HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE    
SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD    
HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE    
SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD    
TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT          
SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD    
TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT          
RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT    
TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT          
RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT    
WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A       
RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT    
WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A       
SMALL PIECE OF A LONG           
WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A       
SMALL PIECE OF A LONG           
RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA       
SMALL PIECE OF A LONG           
RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA       
THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO   
RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA       
THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO   
THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE,   
THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO   
THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE,   
YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING    
THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE,   
YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING    
IS HAPPENING.                   
YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING    
IS HAPPENING.                   
THAT'S REALLY GREAT.            
IS HAPPENING.                   
THAT'S REALLY GREAT.            
TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT    
THAT'S REALLY GREAT.            
TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT    
FOR THADDEUS STEVENS.           
TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT    
FOR THADDEUS STEVENS.           
HE'S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO    
FOR THADDEUS STEVENS.           
HE'S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO    
LIFE.                           
HE'S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO    
LIFE.                           
>> HE HAS.                      
LIFE.                           
>> HE HAS.                      
>> HE'S REALLY AN ASTONISHING   
>> HE HAS.                      
>> HE'S REALLY AN ASTONISHING   
FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I        
>> HE'S REALLY AN ASTONISHING   
FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I        
THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION,     
FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I        
THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION,     
AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND   
THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION,     
AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND   
--                              
AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND   
--                              
>> A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY.     
--                              
>> A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY.     
>> EXACTLY.                     
>> A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY.     
>> EXACTLY.                     
I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTED BOTH   
>> EXACTLY.                     
I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTED BOTH   
AS A KIND OF MONSTER.           
I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTED BOTH   
AS A KIND OF MONSTER.           
BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL       
AS A KIND OF MONSTER.           
BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL       
GIANT, AND A GREAT              
BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL       
GIANT, AND A GREAT              
POLITICIAN, AND A REAL          
GIANT, AND A GREAT              
POLITICIAN, AND A REAL          
VISIONARY.                      
POLITICIAN, AND A REAL          
VISIONARY.                      
AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL        
VISIONARY.                      
AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL        
TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH,   
AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL        
TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH,   
AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN     
TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH,   
AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN     
MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE        
AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN     
MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE        
LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE    
MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE        
LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE    
PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT    
LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE    
PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT    
WERE -- THEY EVEN LOOK A        
PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT    
WERE -- THEY EVEN LOOK A        
LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU       
WERE -- THEY EVEN LOOK A        
LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU       
LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS.    
LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU       
LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS.    
BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE LINCOLN'S   
LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS.    
BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE LINCOLN'S   
IMMENSE -- HIS VASTNESS, HIS    
BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE LINCOLN'S   
IMMENSE -- HIS VASTNESS, HIS    
IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN      
IMMENSE -- HIS VASTNESS, HIS    
IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN      
EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE.           
IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN      
EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE.           
>> AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE    
EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE.           
>> AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE    
AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS    
>> AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE    
AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS    
OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT    
AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS    
OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT    
ACTOR, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE      
OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT    
ACTOR, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE      
HIS HAIR LOOK REAL!             
ACTOR, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE      
HIS HAIR LOOK REAL!             
AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS    
HIS HAIR LOOK REAL!             
AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS    
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR,     
AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS    
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR,     
AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY      
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR,     
AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY      
WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH    
AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY      
WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH    
WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT     
WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH    
WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT     
IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE,     
WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT     
IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE,     
PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED     
IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE,     
PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED     
BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE    
PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED     
BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE    
WORE IT!                        
BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE    
WORE IT!                        
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
WORE IT!                        
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH      
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH      
CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A     
>> WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH      
CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A     
-- NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF       
CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A     
-- NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF       
DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE          
-- NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF       
DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE          
PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT   
DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE          
PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT   
IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE'S IN       
PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT   
IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE'S IN       
JEANS, AND THAT WENT            
IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE'S IN       
JEANS, AND THAT WENT            
EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS       
JEANS, AND THAT WENT            
EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS       
VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT   
EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS       
VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT   
ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY   
VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT   
ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY   
THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE      
ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY   
THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE      
WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION   
THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE      
WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION   
AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF       
WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION   
AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF       
TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG,     
AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF       
TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG,     
SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF     
TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG,     
SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF     
POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID   
SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF     
POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID   
YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON?   
POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID   
YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON?   
WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER!   
YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON?   
WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER!   
WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG!          
WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER!   
WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG!          
BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD     
WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG!          
BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD     
THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE     
BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD     
THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE     
WORE THIS -- ALTHOUGH I         
THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE     
WORE THIS -- ALTHOUGH I         
THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE   
WORE THIS -- ALTHOUGH I         
THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE   
MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A      
THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE   
MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A      
REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD   
MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A      
REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD   
-- ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY     
REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD   
-- ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY     
SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE    
-- ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY     
SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE    
WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT,      
SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE    
WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT,      
AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE,     
WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT,      
AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE,     
SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF   
AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE,     
SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF   
CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED   
SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF   
CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED   
AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS       
CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED   
AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS       
FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT     
AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS       
FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT     
OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE     
FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT     
OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE     
BEEN A SCARY PERSON.            
OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE     
BEEN A SCARY PERSON.            
>> IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST.   
BEEN A SCARY PERSON.            
>> IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST.   
>> MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS        
>> IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST.   
>> MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS        
STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID    
>> MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS        
STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID    
FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT     
STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID    
FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT     
IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS   
FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT     
IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS   
ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN      
IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS   
ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN      
CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD    
ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN      
CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD    
CASE OF IT.                     
CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD    
CASE OF IT.                     
THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS       
CASE OF IT.                     
THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS       
BEARD.                          
THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS       
BEARD.                          
THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN     
BEARD.                          
THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN     
HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE        
THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN     
HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE        
DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS     
HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE        
DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS     
IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863,   
DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS     
IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863,   
AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF       
IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863,   
AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF       
TYPHOID FEVER CALLED            
AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF       
TYPHOID FEVER CALLED            
VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE        
TYPHOID FEVER CALLED            
VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE        
REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO      
VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE        
REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO      
THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID   
REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO      
THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID   
YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY      
THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID   
YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY      
SICK AND HE SAID WHAT'S WRONG   
YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY      
SICK AND HE SAID WHAT'S WRONG   
WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID   
SICK AND HE SAID WHAT'S WRONG   
WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID   
AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE       
WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID   
AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE       
HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A    
AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE       
HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A    
MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND    
HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A    
MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND    
STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST,      
MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND    
STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST,      
CAN'T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING?    
STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST,      
CAN'T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING?    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
CAN'T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING?    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES    
IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE       
>> ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES    
IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE       
CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW,    
IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE       
CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW,    
PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES         
CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW,    
PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES         
SPADER AND HE'S NOT IN THE      
PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES         
SPADER AND HE'S NOT IN THE      
BOOK.                           
SPADER AND HE'S NOT IN THE      
BOOK.                           
IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT       
BOOK.                           
IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT       
CHARACTER IN THE BOOK?          
IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT       
CHARACTER IN THE BOOK?          
>> I'D SAY SO, SO THE FACT      
CHARACTER IN THE BOOK?          
>> I'D SAY SO, SO THE FACT      
THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS       
>> I'D SAY SO, SO THE FACT      
THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS       
FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS      
THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS       
FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS      
MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID   
FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS      
MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID   
MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS     
MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID   
MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS     
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.                
MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS     
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.                
>> YEAH, BUT --                 
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.                
>> YEAH, BUT --                 
>> YOU'VE RESEARCHED AND        
>> YEAH, BUT --                 
>> YOU'VE RESEARCHED AND        
DISCOVERED THAT --              
>> YOU'VE RESEARCHED AND        
DISCOVERED THAT --              
>> HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN     
DISCOVERED THAT --              
>> HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN     
THE MOVIE.                      
>> HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN     
THE MOVIE.                      
>> HE'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER.   
THE MOVIE.                      
>> HE'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER.   
HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I      
>> HE'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER.   
HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I      
THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER       
HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I      
THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER       
SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND    
THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER       
SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND    
LINCOLN PARDONED HIM.           
SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND    
LINCOLN PARDONED HIM.           
I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE        
LINCOLN PARDONED HIM.           
I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE        
DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED   
I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE        
DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED   
HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET,     
DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED   
HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET,     
BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS.      
HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET,     
BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS.      
-- AN ACQUAINTANCE.             
BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS.      
-- AN ACQUAINTANCE.             
HE BECAME I THINK A             
-- AN ACQUAINTANCE.             
HE BECAME I THINK A             
REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR.   
HE BECAME I THINK A             
REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR.   
AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN      
REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR.   
AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN      
AND HE'S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL   
AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN      
AND HE'S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL   
RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT    
AND HE'S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL   
RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT    
HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY    
RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT    
HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY    
QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE    
HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY    
QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE    
13TH AMENDMENT PASSED.          
QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE    
13TH AMENDMENT PASSED.          
AND HE WAS THE ONLY             
13TH AMENDMENT PASSED.          
AND HE WAS THE ONLY             
SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP.        
AND HE WAS THE ONLY             
SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP.        
MOST OF THE -- SEWARD'S         
SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP.        
MOST OF THE -- SEWARD'S         
MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE         
MOST OF THE -- SEWARD'S         
MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE         
SHALLET -- WE KNOW OF FIVE OR   
MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE         
SHALLET -- WE KNOW OF FIVE OR   
SIX.                            
SHALLET -- WE KNOW OF FIVE OR   
SIX.                            
>> HE DID PICK THREE BUT        
SIX.                            
>> HE DID PICK THREE BUT        
THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN   
>> HE DID PICK THREE BUT        
THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN   
HISTORY.                        
THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN   
HISTORY.                        
>> THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS     
HISTORY.                        
>> THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS     
THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE      
>> THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS     
THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE      
MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES.          
THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE      
MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES.          
>> THE AMAZING THING ABOUT      
MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES.          
>> THE AMAZING THING ABOUT      
THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS      
>> THE AMAZING THING ABOUT      
THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS      
THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK     
THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS      
THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK     
IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHOICE      
THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK     
IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHOICE      
THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A    
IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHOICE      
THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A    
TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT   
THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A    
TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT   
DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY     
TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT   
DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY     
DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING      
DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY     
DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING      
DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE     
DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING      
DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE     
NECESSARY.                      
DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE     
NECESSARY.                      
THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION   
NECESSARY.                      
THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION   
AND COMPROMISE.                 
THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION   
AND COMPROMISE.                 
AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN    
AND COMPROMISE.                 
AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN    
AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO    
AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN    
AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO    
COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS    
AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO    
COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS    
FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT     
COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS    
FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT     
AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME       
FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT     
AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME       
DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE        
AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME       
DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE        
HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE    
DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE        
HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE    
NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY         
HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE    
NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY         
ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH     
NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY         
ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH     
THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL   
ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH     
THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL   
CLIFF DIDN'T GO OVER BECAUSE    
THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL   
CLIFF DIDN'T GO OVER BECAUSE    
OF IT.                          
CLIFF DIDN'T GO OVER BECAUSE    
OF IT.                          
>> 80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A   
OF IT.                          
>> 80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A   
TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU      
>> 80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A   
TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU      
GO.                             
TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU      
GO.                             
>> YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO     
GO.                             
>> YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO     
DO IT!                          
>> YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO     
DO IT!                          
>>  MAKE THE SHIFT.             
DO IT!                          
>>  MAKE THE SHIFT.             
>> STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY   
>>  MAKE THE SHIFT.             
>> STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY   
COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE      
>> STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY   
COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE      
ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN     
COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE      
ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN     
IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER    
ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN     
IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER    
HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO     
IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER    
HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO     
IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH       
HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO     
IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH       
BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE    
IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH       
BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE    
EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST.    
BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE    
EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST.    
WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH       
EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST.    
WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH       
THAT SCENE?                     
WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH       
THAT SCENE?                     
>> I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK    
THAT SCENE?                     
>> I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK    
TO THAT.                        
>> I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK    
TO THAT.                        
I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU        
TO THAT.                        
I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU        
INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I       
I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU        
INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I       
ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE     
INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I       
ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE     
HAS -- SHOULD HAVE GONE IN      
ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE     
HAS -- SHOULD HAVE GONE IN      
ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE.     
HAS -- SHOULD HAVE GONE IN      
ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE.     
WE COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER        
ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE.     
WE COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER        
PLACE FOR THAT SCENE.           
WE COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER        
PLACE FOR THAT SCENE.           
BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY     
PLACE FOR THAT SCENE.           
BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY     
WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND,      
BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY     
WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND,      
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS.          
WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND,      
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS.          
BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A      
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS.          
BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A      
BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY    
BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A      
BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY    
ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO     
BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY    
ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO     
BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF         
ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO     
BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF         
REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE      
BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF         
REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE      
WHITE HOUSE.                    
REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE      
WHITE HOUSE.                    
AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY --       
WHITE HOUSE.                    
AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY --       
THIS WAS AN AMAZING             
AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY --       
THIS WAS AN AMAZING             
OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE        
THIS WAS AN AMAZING             
OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE        
PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM       
OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE        
PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM       
DEMOCRAT -- THE DEMOCRATIC      
PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM       
DEMOCRAT -- THE DEMOCRATIC      
PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO     
DEMOCRAT -- THE DEMOCRATIC      
PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO     
BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME    
PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO     
BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME    
LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO   
BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME    
LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO   
HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST   
LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO   
HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST   
AS MARY'S STEAM STRESS          
HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST   
AS MARY'S STEAM STRESS          
WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK     
AS MARY'S STEAM STRESS          
WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK     
THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART,     
WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK     
THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART,     
THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE      
THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART,     
THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE      
SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A    
THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE      
SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A    
FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS      
SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A    
FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS      
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT      
FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS      
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT      
TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND    
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT      
TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND    
SAID IF WE CAN'T FLASHBACK,     
TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND    
SAID IF WE CAN'T FLASHBACK,     
BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND    
SAID IF WE CAN'T FLASHBACK,     
BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND    
ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO      
BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND    
ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO      
THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES      
ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO      
THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES      
THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS          
THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES      
THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS          
ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH   
THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS          
ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH   
PRESIDENT LINCOLN.              
ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH   
PRESIDENT LINCOLN.              
BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY     
PRESIDENT LINCOLN.              
BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY     
TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR        
BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY     
TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR        
SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD   
TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR        
SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD   
BEEN HAPPENING.                 
SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD   
BEEN HAPPENING.                 
AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE       
BEEN HAPPENING.                 
AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE       
THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW   
AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE       
THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW   
--                              
THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW   
--                              
>> WAS JUST -- I SAID THIS A    
--                              
>> WAS JUST -- I SAID THIS A    
LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE     
>> WAS JUST -- I SAID THIS A    
LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE     
REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE    
LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE     
REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE    
DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT   
REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE    
DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT   
OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT    
DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT   
OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT    
HISTORICALLY INACCURATE         
OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT    
HISTORICALLY INACCURATE         
RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE      
HISTORICALLY INACCURATE         
RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE      
TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I   
RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE      
TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I   
CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A      
TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I   
CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A      
GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD       
CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A      
GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD       
LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD    
GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD       
LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD    
THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE     
LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD    
THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE     
COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY      
THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE     
COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY      
LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE.            
COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY      
LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE.            
MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET   
LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE.            
MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET   
WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM         
MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET   
WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM         
ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE       
WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM         
ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE       
DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS   
ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE       
DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS   
AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED   
DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS   
AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED   
IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK    
AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED   
IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK    
DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES          
IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK    
DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES          
HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND     
DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES          
HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND     
THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE      
HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND     
THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE      
ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH     
THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE      
ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH     
ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT --    
ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH     
ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT --    
BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON   
ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT --    
BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON   
WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE    
BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON   
WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE    
OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE    
WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE    
OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE    
WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME.        
OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE    
WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME.        
SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL   
WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME.        
SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL   
TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN      
SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL   
TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN      
EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN.            
TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN      
EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN.            
HER LIFE STORY IS               
EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN.            
HER LIFE STORY IS               
UNBELIEVABLE.                   
HER LIFE STORY IS               
UNBELIEVABLE.                   
>> HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A   
UNBELIEVABLE.                   
>> HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A   
MOVIE TOO.                      
>> HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A   
MOVIE TOO.                      
LET'S MAKE THAT NEXT.           
MOVIE TOO.                      
LET'S MAKE THAT NEXT.           
>> GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT        
LET'S MAKE THAT NEXT.           
>> GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT        
THERE.                          
>> GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT        
THERE.                          
AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT        
THERE.                          
AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT        
KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON      
AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT        
KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON      
WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT       
KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON      
WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT       
MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO        
WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT       
MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO        
LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT      
MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO        
LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT      
HONEST AND HISTORICAL.          
LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT      
HONEST AND HISTORICAL.          
I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR      
HONEST AND HISTORICAL.          
I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR      
FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE    
I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR      
FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE    
A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM      
FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE    
A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM      
ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE   
A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM      
ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE   
TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD   
ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE   
TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD   
WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED    
TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD   
WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED    
SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN'S      
WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED    
SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN'S      
DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS     
SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN'S      
DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS     
ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY      
DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS     
ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY      
AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE      
ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY      
AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE      
DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE     
AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE      
DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE     
FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS       
DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE     
FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS       
ALSO LETTING ALL THE            
FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS       
ALSO LETTING ALL THE            
RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD     
ALSO LETTING ALL THE            
RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD     
FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE      
RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD     
FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE      
LINCOLN'S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY   
FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE      
LINCOLN'S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY   
DIDN'T TRUST HIM.               
LINCOLN'S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY   
DIDN'T TRUST HIM.               
>> THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT.    
DIDN'T TRUST HIM.               
>> THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT.    
>> EXACTLY.                     
>> THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT.    
>> EXACTLY.                     
>> WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I    
>> EXACTLY.                     
>> WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I    
BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN     
>> WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I    
BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN     
TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF    
BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN     
TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF    
THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF       
TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF    
THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF       
WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING        
THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF       
WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING        
WITH.                           
WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING        
WITH.                           
BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING       
WITH.                           
BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING       
THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN   
BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING       
THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN   
QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS,     
THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN   
QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS,     
DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE     
QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS,     
DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE     
SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP   
DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE     
SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP   
BACKWARDS.                      
SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP   
BACKWARDS.                      
>> RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A      
BACKWARDS.                      
>> RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A      
LOT TO LINCOLN.                 
>> RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A      
LOT TO LINCOLN.                 
BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE     
LOT TO LINCOLN.                 
BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE     
OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN      
BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE     
OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN      
GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE   
OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN      
GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE   
DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY        
GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE   
DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY        
YOU'RE GOING BACKWARD, HE       
DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY        
YOU'RE GOING BACKWARD, HE       
SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING     
YOU'RE GOING BACKWARD, HE       
SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING     
FORWARD, I START GOING AND      
SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING     
FORWARD, I START GOING AND      
DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM,   
FORWARD, I START GOING AND      
DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM,   
IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A   
DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM,   
IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A   
RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT   
IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A   
RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT   
BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM          
RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT   
BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM          
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL    
BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM          
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL    
THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS          
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL    
THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS          
FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET         
THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS          
FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET         
CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN         
FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET         
CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN         
UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO        
CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN         
UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO        
IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE      
UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO        
IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE      
LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON          
IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE      
LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON          
LINCOLN AND IT'S SO HURTFUL,    
LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON          
LINCOLN AND IT'S SO HURTFUL,    
SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT     
LINCOLN AND IT'S SO HURTFUL,    
SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT     
HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT    
SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT     
HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT    
BLACKS DIDN'T DESERVE THE       
HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT    
BLACKS DIDN'T DESERVE THE       
RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY        
BLACKS DIDN'T DESERVE THE       
RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY        
COULDN'T INTER MARRY, YOU       
RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY        
COULDN'T INTER MARRY, YOU       
BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE     
COULDN'T INTER MARRY, YOU       
BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE     
IS HE COMING FROM.              
BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE     
IS HE COMING FROM.              
THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION   
IS HE COMING FROM.              
THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION   
AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED      
THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION   
AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED      
IT.                             
AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED      
IT.                             
BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN       
IT.                             
BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN       
GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE   
BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN       
GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE   
THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS    
GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE   
THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS    
PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A    
THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS    
PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A    
LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND     
PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A    
LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND     
TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN       
LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND     
TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN       
THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING    
TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN       
THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING    
US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND    
THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING    
US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND    
INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK     
US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND    
INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK     
100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY       
INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK     
100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY       
EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK        
100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY       
EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK        
AMERICANS.                      
EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK        
AMERICANS.                      
>> I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE.      
AMERICANS.                      
>> I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE.      
HERE'S WHERE THE GUYS CAN       
>> I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE.      
HERE'S WHERE THE GUYS CAN       
THINK IN A WAY THAT I           
HERE'S WHERE THE GUYS CAN       
THINK IN A WAY THAT I           
COULDN'T.                       
THINK IN A WAY THAT I           
COULDN'T.                       
I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE    
COULDN'T.                       
I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE    
GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863,     
I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE    
GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863,     
HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN   
GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863,     
HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN   
THIS FILM.                      
HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN   
THIS FILM.                      
THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET     
THIS FILM.                      
THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET     
IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK    
THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET     
IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK    
AND THE MEETING WITH THE        
IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK    
AND THE MEETING WITH THE        
SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN'T      
AND THE MEETING WITH THE        
SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN'T      
REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK          
SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN'T      
REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK          
REMEMBERS IT.                   
REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK          
REMEMBERS IT.                   
>> THAT COMES WITH A FEW        
REMEMBERS IT.                   
>> THAT COMES WITH A FEW        
RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE     
>> THAT COMES WITH A FEW        
RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE     
WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO      
RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE     
WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO      
KIDS THAT -- PART OF WHAT       
WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO      
KIDS THAT -- PART OF WHAT       
MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING      
KIDS THAT -- PART OF WHAT       
MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING      
HISTORY SO --                   
MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING      
HISTORY SO --                   
>> OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME   
HISTORY SO --                   
>> OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME   
THAT.                           
>> OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME   
THAT.                           
I GUESS I NEVER KNEW.           
THAT.                           
I GUESS I NEVER KNEW.           
>> THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO     
I GUESS I NEVER KNEW.           
>> THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO     
BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE      
>> THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO     
BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE      
PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER'S         
BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE      
PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER'S         
PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND     
PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER'S         
PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND     
SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST       
PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND     
SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST       
DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE,        
SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST       
DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE,        
BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS        
DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE,        
BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS        
GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE    
BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS        
GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE    
MID 1863, BUT I DIDN'T WANT     
GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE    
MID 1863, BUT I DIDN'T WANT     
TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP     
MID 1863, BUT I DIDN'T WANT     
TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP     
AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I     
TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP     
AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I     
DID THE WHOLE THING WITH        
AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I     
DID THE WHOLE THING WITH        
THESE KIDS UNDER THE            
DID THE WHOLE THING WITH        
THESE KIDS UNDER THE            
PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE      
THESE KIDS UNDER THE            
PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE      
SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF      
PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE      
SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF      
HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING,     
SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF      
HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING,     
AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH    
HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING,     
AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH    
LATER.                          
AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH    
LATER.                          
THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS CAME      
LATER.                          
THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS CAME      
FROM.                           
THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS CAME      
FROM.                           
>> HERE'S ONE OF THE            
FROM.                           
>> HERE'S ONE OF THE            
INTERESTING QUESTIONS.          
>> HERE'S ONE OF THE            
INTERESTING QUESTIONS.          
CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR     
INTERESTING QUESTIONS.          
CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR     
KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW       
CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR     
KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW       
WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE       
KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW       
WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE       
BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN      
WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE       
BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN      
LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS    
BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN      
LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS    
WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND          
LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS    
WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND          
RECONSTRUCTIONIST.              
WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND          
RECONSTRUCTIONIST.              
>> LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE        
RECONSTRUCTIONIST.              
>> LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE        
PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION       
>> LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE        
PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION       
WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT     
PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION       
WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT     
ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE    
WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT     
ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE    
HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE        
ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE    
HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE        
DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE       
HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE        
DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE       
UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH         
DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE       
UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH         
AMENDMENT.                      
UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH         
AMENDMENT.                      
BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT            
AMENDMENT.                      
BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT            
DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING   
BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT            
DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING   
TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN       
DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING   
TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN       
SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME         
TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN       
SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME         
WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE      
SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME         
WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE      
SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE     
WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE      
SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE     
MORE LENIENT.                   
SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE     
MORE LENIENT.                   
BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY      
MORE LENIENT.                   
BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY      
OWN FEELING, AND IT'S THE       
BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY      
OWN FEELING, AND IT'S THE       
HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT        
OWN FEELING, AND IT'S THE       
HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT        
EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD       
HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT        
EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD       
LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT,    
EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD       
LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT,    
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT        
LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT,    
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT        
GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE      
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT        
GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE      
WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND           
GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE      
WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND           
INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF   
WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND           
INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF   
WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN'T      
INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF   
WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN'T      
TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING       
WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN'T      
TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING       
HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS      
TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING       
HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS      
SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH      
HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS      
SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH      
SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE,      
SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH      
SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE,      
PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND     
SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE,      
PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND     
THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST         
PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND     
THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST         
FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER --    
THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST         
FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER --    
COULD HAVE EVER HAD.            
FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER --    
COULD HAVE EVER HAD.            
IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE    
COULD HAVE EVER HAD.            
IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE    
BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK   
IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE    
BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK   
THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE     
BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK   
THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE     
ENMITY, AND THAT'S THE          
THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE     
ENMITY, AND THAT'S THE          
TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN.    
ENMITY, AND THAT'S THE          
TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN.    
THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE        
TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN.    
THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE        
ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF      
THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE        
ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF      
YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN,      
ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF      
YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN,      
WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I    
YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN,      
WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I    
KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM    
WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I    
KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM    
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT         
KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM    
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT         
RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD      
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT         
RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD      
HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME      
RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD      
HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME      
ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES.      
HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME      
ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES.      
THEN I'D REALLY COME ALIVE.     
ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES.      
THEN I'D REALLY COME ALIVE.     
>> IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE       
THEN I'D REALLY COME ALIVE.     
>> IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE       
SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM,     
>> IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE       
SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM,     
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE     
SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM,     
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE     
IMAGE?                          
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE     
IMAGE?                          
>> OH, THAT'S A HARD QUESTION   
IMAGE?                          
>> OH, THAT'S A HARD QUESTION   
THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT       
>> OH, THAT'S A HARD QUESTION   
THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT       
IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS,       
THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT       
IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS,       
LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI         
IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS,       
LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI         
SITUATIONS --                   
LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI         
SITUATIONS --                   
CHARACTERIZATIONS.              
SITUATIONS --                   
CHARACTERIZATIONS.              
I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY     
CHARACTERIZATIONS.              
I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY     
CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE      
I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY     
CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE      
STORY.                          
CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE      
STORY.                          
I USUALLY DO THAT.              
STORY.                          
I USUALLY DO THAT.              
I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.          
I USUALLY DO THAT.              
I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.          
I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY           
I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.          
I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY           
CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR   
I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY           
CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR   
A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM          
CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR   
A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM          
ENTHUSIAST -- IT DOESN'T MEAN   
A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM          
ENTHUSIAST -- IT DOESN'T MEAN   
WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT         
ENTHUSIAST -- IT DOESN'T MEAN   
WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT         
MEANS!                          
WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT         
MEANS!                          
>>  THANK YOU FOR CLEARING      
MEANS!                          
>>  THANK YOU FOR CLEARING      
THAT UP.                        
>>  THANK YOU FOR CLEARING      
THAT UP.                        
>> THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW,      
THAT UP.                        
>> THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW,      
THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN          
>> THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW,      
THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN          
TROUBLE ALL THE TIME.           
THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN          
TROUBLE ALL THE TIME.           
>> ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST       
TROUBLE ALL THE TIME.           
>> ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST       
STROEHEIM?                      
>> ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST       
STROEHEIM?                      
>> BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE       
STROEHEIM?                      
>> BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE       
IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER   
>> BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE       
IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER   
THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF        
IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER   
THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF        
LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT   
THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF        
LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT   
OF HIS HAT.                     
LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT   
OF HIS HAT.                     
BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A     
OF HIS HAT.                     
BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A     
SUITCASE.                       
BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A     
SUITCASE.                       
THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN       
SUITCASE.                       
THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN       
THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED   
THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN       
THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED   
TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS   
THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED   
TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS   
BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE      
TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS   
BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE      
IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING    
BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE      
IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING    
OUT OF THE HAT --               
IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING    
OUT OF THE HAT --               
>> MY FAVORITE --               
OUT OF THE HAT --               
>> MY FAVORITE --               
>> I LIKE THAT IMAGE.           
>> MY FAVORITE --               
>> I LIKE THAT IMAGE.           
>> MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE     
>> I LIKE THAT IMAGE.           
>> MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE     
TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS    
>> MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE     
TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS    
TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH       
TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS    
TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH       
DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT    
TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH       
DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT    
NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER    
DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT    
NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER    
THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS,   
NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER    
THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS,   
WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE     
THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS,   
WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE     
STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING     
WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE     
STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING     
TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE    
STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING     
TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE    
LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE         
TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE    
LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE         
WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON       
LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE         
WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON       
HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND    
WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON       
HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND    
HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF     
HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND    
HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF     
THOSE TWO BOYS.                 
HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF     
THOSE TWO BOYS.                 
FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME,   
THOSE TWO BOYS.                 
FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME,   
THAT SCENE.                     
FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME,   
THAT SCENE.                     
>> TONY?                        
THAT SCENE.                     
>> TONY?                        
>> I THINK THAT THE MOMENT      
>> TONY?                        
>> I THINK THAT THE MOMENT      
THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS         
>> I THINK THAT THE MOMENT      
THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS         
STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE        
THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS         
STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE        
PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN    
STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE        
PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN    
SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING      
PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN    
SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING      
MOMENTS.                        
SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING      
MOMENTS.                        
FOR ME, THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN   
MOMENTS.                        
FOR ME, THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN   
-- AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO       
FOR ME, THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN   
-- AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO       
MAN'S LAND, AT PETERSBURG.      
-- AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO       
MAN'S LAND, AT PETERSBURG.      
AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE       
MAN'S LAND, AT PETERSBURG.      
AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE       
PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO --     
AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE       
PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO --     
AND THERE'S THIS MOMENT WHEN    
PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO --     
AND THERE'S THIS MOMENT WHEN    
HE'S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND   
AND THERE'S THIS MOMENT WHEN    
HE'S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND   
I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED,    
HE'S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND   
I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED,    
AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN      
I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED,    
AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN      
WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE     
AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN      
WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE     
HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE        
WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE     
HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE        
FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST       
HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE        
FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST       
KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100       
FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST       
KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100       
YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE       
KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100       
YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE       
WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH     
YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE       
WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH     
HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND    
WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH     
HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND    
IT'S JUST -- I FIND IT          
HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND    
IT'S JUST -- I FIND IT          
TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL.          
IT'S JUST -- I FIND IT          
TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL.          
>> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE       
TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL.          
>> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE       
SCENE WHEN --                   
>> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE       
SCENE WHEN --                   
>> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE       
SCENE WHEN --                   
>> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE       
SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS     
>> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE       
SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS     
THE PEOPLES' HOUSE, THEN THEY   
SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS     
THE PEOPLES' HOUSE, THEN THEY   
SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS      
THE PEOPLES' HOUSE, THEN THEY   
SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS      
COMING IN TO THE BALCONY.       
SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS      
COMING IN TO THE BALCONY.       
MY GOD.                         
COMING IN TO THE BALCONY.       
MY GOD.                         
>> I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET     
MY GOD.                         
>> I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET     
THIS.                           
>> I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET     
THIS.                           
THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS       
THIS.                           
THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS       
ATTEMPT.                        
THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS       
ATTEMPT.                        
THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE      
ATTEMPT.                        
THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE      
RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD,        
THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE      
RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD,        
WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH    
RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD,        
WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH    
AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE    
WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH    
AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE    
CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN      
AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE    
CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN      
FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG,     
CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN      
FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG,     
AND IT'S THAT ONE MOMENT        
FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG,     
AND IT'S THAT ONE MOMENT        
WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY    
AND IT'S THAT ONE MOMENT        
WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY    
MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER.      
WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY    
MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER.      
>> YES.                         
MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER.      
>> YES.                         
FOR ME, IT'S THE PASSAGE OF     
>> YES.                         
FOR ME, IT'S THE PASSAGE OF     
THE 13TH AMENDMENT.             
FOR ME, IT'S THE PASSAGE OF     
THE 13TH AMENDMENT.             
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
THE 13TH AMENDMENT.             
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE     
RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS        
>> IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE     
RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS        
INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL     
RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS        
INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL     
AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL          
INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL     
AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL          
ELECTION.                       
AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL          
ELECTION.                       
PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT.           
ELECTION.                       
PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT.           
>> WELL, I HAD A LOT OF         
PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT.           
>> WELL, I HAD A LOT OF         
RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON      
>> WELL, I HAD A LOT OF         
RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON      
THAT.                           
RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON      
THAT.                           
THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO   
THAT.                           
THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO   
COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN   
THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO   
COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN   
THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION      
COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN   
THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION      
CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF   
THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION      
CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF   
THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW,   
CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF   
THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW,   
THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH,     
THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW,   
THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH,     
THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY     
THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH,     
THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY     
GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT.       
THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY     
GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT.       
THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE    
GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT.       
THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE    
THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST    
THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE    
THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST    
BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND   
THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST    
BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND   
FORTH ACROSS THE NET.           
BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND   
FORTH ACROSS THE NET.           
THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY         
FORTH ACROSS THE NET.           
THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY         
DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM      
THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY         
DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM      
FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE   
DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM      
FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE   
IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE   
FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE   
IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE   
OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS         
IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE   
OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS         
ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER           
OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS         
ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER           
EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE     
ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER           
EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE     
FOLLOWING ELECTIONS.            
EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE     
FOLLOWING ELECTIONS.            
SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE    
FOLLOWING ELECTIONS.            
SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE    
POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT     
SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE    
POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT     
WE'LL COME OUT THERE'S A        
POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT     
WE'LL COME OUT THERE'S A        
SECOND THERE'S A DECISION AND   
WE'LL COME OUT THERE'S A        
SECOND THERE'S A DECISION AND   
WE'LL COME OUT THREE DAYS       
SECOND THERE'S A DECISION AND   
WE'LL COME OUT THREE DAYS       
LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT.        
WE'LL COME OUT THREE DAYS       
LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT.        
WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED     
LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT.        
WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED     
THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE   
WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED     
THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE   
ELECTION.                       
THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE   
ELECTION.                       
>> THAT'S HOW ANXIOUS THEY      
ELECTION.                       
>> THAT'S HOW ANXIOUS THEY      
WERE TO GET IT OUT.             
>> THAT'S HOW ANXIOUS THEY      
WERE TO GET IT OUT.             
BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT    
WERE TO GET IT OUT.             
BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT    
HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER     
BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT    
HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER     
BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT    
HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER     
BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT    
AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE      
BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT    
AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE      
OTHER MORE IMPORTANT            
AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE      
OTHER MORE IMPORTANT            
OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF         
OTHER MORE IMPORTANT            
OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF         
POLITICS.                       
OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF         
POLITICS.                       
>> OKAY.                        
POLITICS.                       
>> OKAY.                        
THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A   
>> OKAY.                        
THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A   
SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO      
THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A   
SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO      
HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE.          
SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO      
HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE.          
IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL       
HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE.          
IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL       
EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL   
IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL       
EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL   
EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS          
EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL   
EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS          
STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS,   
EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS          
STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS,   
IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION   
STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS,   
IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION   
THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE?        
IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION   
THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE?        
>> THE BLACK MISTRESS?          
THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE?        
>> THE BLACK MISTRESS?          
>> I WOULDN'T CALL HER HIS      
>> THE BLACK MISTRESS?          
>> I WOULDN'T CALL HER HIS      
MISTRESS.                       
>> I WOULDN'T CALL HER HIS      
MISTRESS.                       
SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY.    
MISTRESS.                       
SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY.    
>> COMMON LAW WIFE.             
SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY.    
>> COMMON LAW WIFE.             
>> IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR   
>> COMMON LAW WIFE.             
>> IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR   
37 YEARS, HE WASN'T MARRIED.    
>> IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR   
37 YEARS, HE WASN'T MARRIED.    
THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE   
37 YEARS, HE WASN'T MARRIED.    
THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE   
IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT   
THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE   
IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT   
HE WROTE TO HER KIDS.           
IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT   
HE WROTE TO HER KIDS.           
SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE,    
HE WROTE TO HER KIDS.           
SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE,    
AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN    
SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE,    
AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN    
WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT      
AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN    
WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT      
THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS       
WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT      
THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS       
WRITING TO THEM.                
THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS       
WRITING TO THEM.                
THERE WAS ONE SON IN            
WRITING TO THEM.                
THERE WAS ONE SON IN            
PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS   
THERE WAS ONE SON IN            
PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS   
MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND         
PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS   
MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND         
STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN     
MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND         
STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN     
STERNLY, AND YOU GET A          
STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN     
STERNLY, AND YOU GET A          
FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE   
STERNLY, AND YOU GET A          
FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE   
THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE      
FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE   
THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE      
FATHER IN THIS FAMILY           
THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE      
FATHER IN THIS FAMILY           
STRUCTURE.                      
FATHER IN THIS FAMILY           
STRUCTURE.                      
IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY    
STRUCTURE.                      
IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY    
PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE     
IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY    
PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE     
TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T     
PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE     
TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T     
THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY   
TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T     
THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY   
THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED    
THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY   
THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED    
FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS    
THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED    
FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS    
WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT      
FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS    
WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT      
THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN,    
WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT      
THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN,    
BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY        
THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN,    
BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY        
IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT     
BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY        
IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT     
ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT    
IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT     
ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT    
STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED,     
ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT    
STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED,     
HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY     
STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED,     
HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY     
IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB   
HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY     
IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB   
STONE SAYS I'M BURIED IN THIS   
IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB   
STONE SAYS I'M BURIED IN THIS   
GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK   
STONE SAYS I'M BURIED IN THIS   
GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK   
IT'S A PARTICULARLY NICE        
GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK   
IT'S A PARTICULARLY NICE        
GRAVEYARD BUT IT'S THE ONLY     
IT'S A PARTICULARLY NICE        
GRAVEYARD BUT IT'S THE ONLY     
GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF       
GRAVEYARD BUT IT'S THE ONLY     
GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF       
PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK        
GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF       
PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK        
PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN     
PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK        
PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN     
BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE.         
PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN     
BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE.         
SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP         
BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE.         
SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP         
CONNECTION.                     
SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP         
CONNECTION.                     
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN       
CONNECTION.                     
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN       
IMPORTANT --                    
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN       
IMPORTANT --                    
>> W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF        
IMPORTANT --                    
>> W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF        
THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A       
>> W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF        
THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A       
CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST    
THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A       
CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST    
FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF   
CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST    
FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF   
ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING     
FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF   
ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING     
OF DR. KING.                    
ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING     
OF DR. KING.                    
>> WHEN LINCOLN'S TRAIN WAS     
OF DR. KING.                    
>> WHEN LINCOLN'S TRAIN WAS     
GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA,     
>> WHEN LINCOLN'S TRAIN WAS     
GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA,     
THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY    
GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA,     
THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY    
TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL    
THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY    
TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL    
RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN'S    
TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL    
RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN'S    
BODY, STEVENS WASN'T HOME IN    
RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN'S    
BODY, STEVENS WASN'T HOME IN    
THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND   
BODY, STEVENS WASN'T HOME IN    
THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND   
HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK     
THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND   
HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK     
AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS        
HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK     
AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS        
QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A      
AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS        
QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A      
BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A           
QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A      
BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A           
TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN     
BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A           
TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN     
APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS    
TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN     
APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS    
SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE      
APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS    
SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE      
RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN   
SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE      
RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN   
THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE      
RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN   
THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE      
TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE    
THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE      
TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE    
TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS     
TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE    
TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS     
HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS.    
TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS     
HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS.    
>> I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED    
HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS.    
>> I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED    
IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS      
>> I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED    
IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS      
STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS        
IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS      
STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS        
ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL         
STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS        
ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL         
FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO   
ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL         
FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO   
SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION   
FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO   
SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION   
WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS   
SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION   
WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS   
RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY     
WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS   
RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY     
CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE         
RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY     
CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE         
ACCEPTED IT.                    
CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE         
ACCEPTED IT.                    
HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT     
ACCEPTED IT.                    
HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT     
THE PEOPLE.                     
HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT     
THE PEOPLE.                     
>> HE SAID I DON'T GIVE A --    
THE PEOPLE.                     
>> HE SAID I DON'T GIVE A --    
ABOUT THE PEOPLE!               
>> HE SAID I DON'T GIVE A --    
ABOUT THE PEOPLE!               
>>  THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.        
ABOUT THE PEOPLE!               
>>  THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.        
>> I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND    
>>  THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.        
>> I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND    
HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT    
>> I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND    
HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT    
CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM.    
HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT    
CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM.    
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND     
CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM.    
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND     
THE THING IS, THAT'S THE        
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND     
THE THING IS, THAT'S THE        
DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN.        
THE THING IS, THAT'S THE        
DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN.        
LINCOLN, AND IT'S SHOWN IN      
DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN.        
LINCOLN, AND IT'S SHOWN IN      
THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE        
LINCOLN, AND IT'S SHOWN IN      
THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE        
THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS      
THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE        
THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS      
EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE   
THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS      
EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE   
THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE      
EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE   
THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE      
HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN      
THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE      
HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN      
HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU       
HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN      
HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU       
DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND    
HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU       
DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND    
HE SAID THAT'S WRONG, IT'S MY   
DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND    
HE SAID THAT'S WRONG, IT'S MY   
PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I       
HE SAID THAT'S WRONG, IT'S MY   
PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I       
NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I'VE    
PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I       
NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I'VE    
COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH,    
NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I'VE    
COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH,    
THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE.       
COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH,    
THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE.       
AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE     
THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE.       
AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE     
HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS    
AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE     
HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS    
DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS      
HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS    
DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS      
TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING    
DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS      
TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING    
THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW,     
TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING    
THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW,     
HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS      
THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW,     
HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS      
ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE     
HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS      
ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE     
DREAM WAS WELL -- THEY SAID     
ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE     
DREAM WAS WELL -- THEY SAID     
HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING   
DREAM WAS WELL -- THEY SAID     
HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING   
LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY    
HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING   
LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY    
AND COMMON.                     
LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY    
AND COMMON.                     
AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE      
AND COMMON.                     
AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE      
MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL       
AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE      
MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL       
PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED      
MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL       
PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED      
US.                             
PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED      
US.                             
IT'S NOT THAT, I'VE SCREWED     
US.                             
IT'S NOT THAT, I'VE SCREWED     
IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN   
IT'S NOT THAT, I'VE SCREWED     
IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN   
THAT.                           
IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN   
THAT.                           
>> I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD    
THAT.                           
>> I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD    
ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER      
>> I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD    
ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER      
WHEN I WAS READING KING OF      
ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER      
WHEN I WAS READING KING OF      
RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME,      
WHEN I WAS READING KING OF      
RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME,      
THE QUOTE THAT YOU -- YOU       
RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME,      
THE QUOTE THAT YOU -- YOU       
MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF   
THE QUOTE THAT YOU -- YOU       
MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF   
A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT         
MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF   
A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT         
LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE          
A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT         
LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE          
RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN    
LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE          
RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN    
JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS       
RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN    
JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS       
GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE       
JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS       
GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE       
THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A      
GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE       
THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A      
VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE         
THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A      
VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE         
UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE        
VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE         
UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE        
WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE          
UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE        
WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE          
POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD    
WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE          
POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD    
THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN   
POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD    
THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN   
PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT       
THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN   
PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT       
PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD         
PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT       
PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD         
PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET    
PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD         
PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET    
RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND     
PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET    
RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND     
RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE          
RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND     
RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE          
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A     
RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE          
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A     
PURELY CENTERED PARTY,          
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A     
PURELY CENTERED PARTY,          
LINCOLN WASN'T INTERESTED IN    
PURELY CENTERED PARTY,          
LINCOLN WASN'T INTERESTED IN    
IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY          
LINCOLN WASN'T INTERESTED IN    
IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY          
PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE      
IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY          
PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE      
FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT      
PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE      
FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT      
AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR       
FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT      
AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR       
MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH         
AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR       
MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH         
PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT      
MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH         
PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT      
AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A          
PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT      
AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A          
CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS    
AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A          
CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS    
THEY'RE MORE IN POWER THAN      
CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS    
THEY'RE MORE IN POWER THAN      
IDEALS.                         
THEY'RE MORE IN POWER THAN      
IDEALS.                         
SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO   
IDEALS.                         
SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO   
THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT   
SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO   
THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT   
LINCOLN.                        
THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT   
LINCOLN.                        
>> THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF    
LINCOLN.                        
>> THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF    
ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD   
>> THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF    
ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD   
LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING    
ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD   
LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING    
BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS   
LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING    
BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS   
THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY    
BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS   
THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY    
OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A      
THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY    
OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A      
GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY       
OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A      
GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY       
MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT'S     
GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY       
MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT'S     
NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU     
MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT'S     
NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU     
WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY   
NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU     
WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY   
MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU   
WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY   
MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU   
KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW       
MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU   
KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW       
JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE    
KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW       
JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE    
REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING    
JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE    
REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING    
OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE           
REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING    
OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE           
HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE.        
OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE           
HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE.        
AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK IT     
HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE.        
AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK IT     
WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID   
AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK IT     
WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID   
IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO        
WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID   
IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO        
LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN        
IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO        
LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN        
THERE'S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE   
LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN        
THERE'S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE   
THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE    
THERE'S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE   
THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE    
BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU   
THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE    
BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU   
WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S NOT THE   
BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU   
WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S NOT THE   
WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT   
WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S NOT THE   
WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT   
WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK.    
WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT   
WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK.    
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK.    
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>>                              
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>>                              
>> THIS IS FOR YOU, THE         
>>                              
>> THIS IS FOR YOU, THE         
WRITERS.                        
>> THIS IS FOR YOU, THE         
WRITERS.                        
WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF          
WRITERS.                        
WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF          
WRITING?                        
WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF          
WRITING?                        
UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE       
WRITING?                        
UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE       
STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU?        
UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE       
STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU?        
DO YOU -- AT THE DESK?          
STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU?        
DO YOU -- AT THE DESK?          
HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU    
DO YOU -- AT THE DESK?          
HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU    
HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER?      
HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU    
HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER?      
>> YES.                         
HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER?      
>> YES.                         
THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST       
>> YES.                         
THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST       
LINE.                           
THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST       
LINE.                           
BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON    
LINE.                           
BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON    
A BOOK I'M WORKING ON NOW ON    
BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON    
A BOOK I'M WORKING ON NOW ON    
THEY'DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD   
A BOOK I'M WORKING ON NOW ON    
THEY'DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD   
TAFT'S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS    
THEY'DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD   
TAFT'S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS    
TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO    
TAFT'S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS    
TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO    
I'M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I       
TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO    
I'M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I       
HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE   
I'M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I       
HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE   
MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE   
HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE   
MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE   
ARE YOU!                        
MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE   
ARE YOU!                        
>>  ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS         
ARE YOU!                        
>>  ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS         
AVAILABLE?                      
>>  ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS         
AVAILABLE?                      
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
AVAILABLE?                      
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> SHAKE ON IT!                 
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> SHAKE ON IT!                 
>>  SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I      
>> SHAKE ON IT!                 
>>  SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I      
WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE     
>>  SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I      
WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE     
COMES DOWN AND I MAKE           
WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE     
COMES DOWN AND I MAKE           
BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I    
COMES DOWN AND I MAKE           
BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I    
READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00     
BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I    
READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00     
AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE        
READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00     
AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE        
LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE     
AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE        
LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE     
AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN.    
LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE     
AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN.    
PHI START READING THEM IN THE   
AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN.    
PHI START READING THEM IN THE   
MORNING, I WON'T GET INTO THE   
PHI START READING THEM IN THE   
MORNING, I WON'T GET INTO THE   
MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE       
MORNING, I WON'T GET INTO THE   
MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE       
EARLY 1900S.                    
MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE       
EARLY 1900S.                    
AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE     
EARLY 1900S.                    
AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE     
HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND     
AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE     
HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND     
THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT   
HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND     
THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT   
TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT,    
THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT   
TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT,    
IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS,      
TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT,    
IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS,      
WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE   
IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS,      
WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE   
A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT'S   
WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE   
A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT'S   
THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE        
A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT'S   
THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE        
THERE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY    
THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE        
THERE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY    
MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON'T   
THERE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY    
MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON'T   
THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT     
MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON'T   
THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT     
AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT.      
THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT     
AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT.      
I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE,    
AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT.      
I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE,    
WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I        
I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE,    
WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I        
COULD WORK ALL NIGHT.           
WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I        
COULD WORK ALL NIGHT.           
ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS       
COULD WORK ALL NIGHT.           
ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS       
GONE.                           
ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS       
GONE.                           
SO MORNINGS.                    
GONE.                           
SO MORNINGS.                    
ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON?       
SO MORNINGS.                    
ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON?       
YOU SEEM LIKE A --              
ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON?       
YOU SEEM LIKE A --              
>> MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET   
YOU SEEM LIKE A --              
>> MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET   
UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND    
>> MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET   
UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND    
AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN             
UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND    
AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN             
APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE.     
AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN             
APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE.     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE.     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> THIS IS TRUE!                
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> THIS IS TRUE!                
>>  REALLY?                     
>> THIS IS TRUE!                
>>  REALLY?                     
>> DAILY.                       
>>  REALLY?                     
>> DAILY.                       
>> DAILY.                       
>> DAILY.                       
>> DAILY.                       
>> THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW.      
>> DAILY.                       
>> THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW.      
>> WELL, I GUESS --             
>> THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW.      
>> WELL, I GUESS --             
>> DO YOU WORK IN THE           
>> WELL, I GUESS --             
>> DO YOU WORK IN THE           
MORNINGS, THOUGH?               
>> DO YOU WORK IN THE           
MORNINGS, THOUGH?               
>> YEAH, I DO.                  
MORNINGS, THOUGH?               
>> YEAH, I DO.                  
WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND --     
>> YEAH, I DO.                  
WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND --     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND --     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> MY WIFE -- I DON'T HAVE A    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> MY WIFE -- I DON'T HAVE A    
MORNING ANYMORE.                
>> MY WIFE -- I DON'T HAVE A    
MORNING ANYMORE.                
SO I'M RUNNING AROUND,          
MORNING ANYMORE.                
SO I'M RUNNING AROUND,          
CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND      
SO I'M RUNNING AROUND,          
CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND      
THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY   
CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND      
THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY   
GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU   
THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY   
GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU   
KNOW -- FROM EASTERN EUROPE,    
GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU   
KNOW -- FROM EASTERN EUROPE,    
WHO DIDN'T CALL THEM DOGS,      
KNOW -- FROM EASTERN EUROPE,    
WHO DIDN'T CALL THEM DOGS,      
SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND    
WHO DIDN'T CALL THEM DOGS,      
SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND    
SHE GOES I DON'T UNDERSTAND,    
SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND    
SHE GOES I DON'T UNDERSTAND,    
WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN    
SHE GOES I DON'T UNDERSTAND,    
WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN    
THE HOUSE!                      
WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN    
THE HOUSE!                      
>>  BUT SHE WAS RIGHT!          
THE HOUSE!                      
>>  BUT SHE WAS RIGHT!          
>> THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN   
>>  BUT SHE WAS RIGHT!          
>> THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN   
THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN'T   
>> THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN   
THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN'T   
SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL!          
THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN'T   
SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL!          
HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU!     
SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL!          
HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU!     
>>  SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS   
HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU!     
>>  SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS   
CAN LEARN FROM THIS.            
>>  SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS   
CAN LEARN FROM THIS.            
DON'T GET A DOG!                
CAN LEARN FROM THIS.            
DON'T GET A DOG!                
>>  AND FIND A GOOD BAR!        
DON'T GET A DOG!                
>>  AND FIND A GOOD BAR!        
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>>  AND FIND A GOOD BAR!        
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> HERE'S A QUESTION THAT       
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> HERE'S A QUESTION THAT       
SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR       
>> HERE'S A QUESTION THAT       
SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR       
PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN      
SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR       
PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN      
LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL.         
PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN      
LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL.         
IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL    
LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL.         
IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL    
IN THIS CASE.                   
IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL    
IN THIS CASE.                   
WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER?     
IN THIS CASE.                   
WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER?     
>> MY GOODNESS.                 
WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER?     
>> MY GOODNESS.                 
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING    
>> MY GOODNESS.                 
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING    
BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD     
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING    
BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD     
AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO    
BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD     
AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO    
COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK    
AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO    
COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK    
THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS    
COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK    
THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS    
DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS.        
THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS    
DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS.        
I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO    
DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS.        
I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO    
BACK THERE AGAIN.               
I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO    
BACK THERE AGAIN.               
IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A   
BACK THERE AGAIN.               
IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A   
LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A     
IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A   
LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A     
FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING        
LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A     
FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING        
THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN        
FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING        
THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN        
YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I    
THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN        
YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I    
SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND    
YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I    
SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND    
I'VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO     
SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND    
I'VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO     
BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD    
I'VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO     
BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD    
LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF       
BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD    
LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF       
FREDERICK DOUGLAS.              
LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF       
FREDERICK DOUGLAS.              
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS   
FREDERICK DOUGLAS.              
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS   
NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND      
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS   
NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND      
WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL   
NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND      
WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL   
PAY, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A      
WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL   
PAY, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A      
RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY      
PAY, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A      
RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY      
THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY          
RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY      
THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY          
SOMEONE.                        
THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY          
SOMEONE.                        
>> WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES     
SOMEONE.                        
>> WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES     
IN LINCOLN'S CREATIVE LIFE,     
>> WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES     
IN LINCOLN'S CREATIVE LIFE,     
IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER     
IN LINCOLN'S CREATIVE LIFE,     
IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER     
FILM?                           
IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER     
FILM?                           
>>  THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF    
FILM?                           
>>  THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF    
FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE        
>>  THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF    
FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE        
LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS    
FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE        
LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS    
ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED,    
LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS    
ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED,    
THAT YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS      
ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED,    
THAT YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS      
YOU DON'T IN ANY WAY            
THAT YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS      
YOU DON'T IN ANY WAY            
SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR -- YOU      
YOU DON'T IN ANY WAY            
SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR -- YOU      
KNOW -- ALTER -- IF WE HAD      
SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR -- YOU      
KNOW -- ALTER -- IF WE HAD      
CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT     
KNOW -- ALTER -- IF WE HAD      
CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT     
THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS   
CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT     
THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS   
IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY    
THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS   
IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY    
IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT     
IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY    
IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT     
WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF          
IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT     
WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF          
HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF       
WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF          
HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF       
HISTORY AND WE DON'T DO THAT.   
HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF       
HISTORY AND WE DON'T DO THAT.   
FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN    
HISTORY AND WE DON'T DO THAT.   
FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN    
WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS   
FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN    
WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS   
NOT A DEMOCRAT.                 
WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS   
NOT A DEMOCRAT.                 
HE CAUCUSED WITH THE            
NOT A DEMOCRAT.                 
HE CAUCUSED WITH THE            
DEMOCRATS.                      
HE CAUCUSED WITH THE            
DEMOCRATS.                      
BUT HE WAS NOT A -- GIVEN THE   
DEMOCRATS.                      
BUT HE WAS NOT A -- GIVEN THE   
CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE       
BUT HE WAS NOT A -- GIVEN THE   
CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE       
WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH    
CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE       
WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH    
REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER   
WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH    
REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER   
AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME     
REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER   
AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME     
RIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD    
AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME     
RIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD    
ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE    
RIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD    
ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE    
TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT.     
ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE    
TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT.     
BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE     
TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT.     
BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE     
CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER    
BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE     
CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER    
OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE     
CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER    
OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE     
WE WANTED TO MAKE -- WE         
OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE     
WE WANTED TO MAKE -- WE         
WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD   
WE WANTED TO MAKE -- WE         
WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD   
ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE   
WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD   
ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE   
JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED --       
ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE   
JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED --       
>> WERE THE ACTUAL --           
JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED --       
>> WERE THE ACTUAL --           
>> -- WAS THE REASON THEY       
>> WERE THE ACTUAL --           
>> -- WAS THE REASON THEY       
VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH          
>> -- WAS THE REASON THEY       
VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH          
AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN       
VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH          
AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN       
SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY      
AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN       
SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY      
EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DEAD   
SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY      
EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DEAD   
A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE       
EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DEAD   
A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE       
SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE        
A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE       
SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE        
WOULD CHANGE THE NAME.          
SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE        
WOULD CHANGE THE NAME.          
WE DIDN'T CHANGE THADDEUS       
WOULD CHANGE THE NAME.          
WE DIDN'T CHANGE THADDEUS       
STEVENS' NAME, BUT THINGS       
WE DIDN'T CHANGE THADDEUS       
STEVENS' NAME, BUT THINGS       
LIKE THAT.                      
STEVENS' NAME, BUT THINGS       
LIKE THAT.                      
MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG    
LIKE THAT.                      
MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG    
INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY     
MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG    
INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY     
WAS SO INTERESTING AND          
INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY     
WAS SO INTERESTING AND          
COMPELLING, WE DIDN'T NEED TO   
WAS SO INTERESTING AND          
COMPELLING, WE DIDN'T NEED TO   
MAKE UP STUFF.                  
COMPELLING, WE DIDN'T NEED TO   
MAKE UP STUFF.                  
>> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER    
MAKE UP STUFF.                  
>> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER    
THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND     
>> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER    
THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND     
MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY.      
THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND     
MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY.      
WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES    
MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY.      
WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES    
WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO     
WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES    
WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO     
TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O
WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO     
TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O
THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE    
TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O
THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE    
TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE         
THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE    
TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE         
DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH    
TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE         
DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH    
THE PRESIDENT TO THE            
DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH    
THE PRESIDENT TO THE            
PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS     
THE PRESIDENT TO THE            
PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS     
IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED     
PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS     
IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED     
ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD   
IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED     
ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD   
A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE     
ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD   
A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE     
KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE      
A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE     
KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE      
CLOSED CARRIAGE.                
KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE      
CLOSED CARRIAGE.                
BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE      
CLOSED CARRIAGE.                
BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE      
PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A       
BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE      
PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A       
COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY         
PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A       
COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY         
MELTDOWN.                       
COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY         
MELTDOWN.                       
IT'S WIDELY REPORTED.           
MELTDOWN.                       
IT'S WIDELY REPORTED.           
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF         
IT'S WIDELY REPORTED.           
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF         
TROOPS WITNESSING THIS.         
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF         
TROOPS WITNESSING THIS.         
IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS     
TROOPS WITNESSING THIS.         
IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS     
IN TONY'S VERY FIRST DRAFT,     
IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS     
IN TONY'S VERY FIRST DRAFT,     
AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE         
IN TONY'S VERY FIRST DRAFT,     
AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE         
HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL     
AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE         
HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL     
HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE    
HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL     
HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE    
MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND   
HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE    
MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND   
TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A         
MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND   
TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A         
MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON     
TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A         
MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON     
MARY'S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT      
MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON     
MARY'S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT      
LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO       
MARY'S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT      
LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO       
BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A        
LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO       
BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A        
CRISIS, TO A HEAD.              
BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A        
CRISIS, TO A HEAD.              
>> I DON'T KNOW -- ONE THING    
CRISIS, TO A HEAD.              
>> I DON'T KNOW -- ONE THING    
THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN,    
>> I DON'T KNOW -- ONE THING    
THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN,    
IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT   
THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN,    
IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT   
THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN'T TAKE    
IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT   
THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN'T TAKE    
THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE        
THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN'T TAKE    
THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE        
CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO      
THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE        
CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO      
LIDIA SMITH.                    
CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO      
LIDIA SMITH.                    
WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T IN      
LIDIA SMITH.                    
WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T IN      
THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE     
WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T IN      
THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE     
VOTE.                           
THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE     
VOTE.                           
AND HE WENT HOME.               
VOTE.                           
AND HE WENT HOME.               
SO THAT'S LICENSE -- IT         
AND HE WENT HOME.               
SO THAT'S LICENSE -- IT         
SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO       
SO THAT'S LICENSE -- IT         
SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO       
HEAR THE TEXT OF THE            
SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO       
HEAR THE TEXT OF THE            
AMENDMENT.                      
HEAR THE TEXT OF THE            
AMENDMENT.                      
>> AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE   
AMENDMENT.                      
>> AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE   
GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH,      
>> AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE   
GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH,      
ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD     
GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH,      
ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD     
TO FILL IN THE BLANKS.          
ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD     
TO FILL IN THE BLANKS.          
>> YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT    
TO FILL IN THE BLANKS.          
>> YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT    
MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME     
>> YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT    
MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME     
IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED    
MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME     
IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED    
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.            
IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED    
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.            
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.            
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT     
HERE.                           
>> IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT     
HERE.                           
>> YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS!         
HERE.                           
>> YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS!         
>>  HE DOES THIS GREAT THING    
>> YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS!         
>>  HE DOES THIS GREAT THING    
IF YOU REDEAD RATED --          
>>  HE DOES THIS GREAT THING    
IF YOU REDEAD RATED --          
REDEDICATED --                  
IF YOU REDEAD RATED --          
REDEDICATED --                  
>> SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE    
REDEDICATED --                  
>> SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE    
HISTORY -- THAT REALLY GOOD,    
>> SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE    
HISTORY -- THAT REALLY GOOD,    
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS          
HISTORY -- THAT REALLY GOOD,    
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS          
PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US      
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS          
PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US      
WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE    
PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US      
WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE    
CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO,         
WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE    
CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO,         
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS      
CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO,         
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS      
WHAT IS LOST FOREVER.           
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS      
WHAT IS LOST FOREVER.           
AND THAT -- SO HISTORY HAS A    
WHAT IS LOST FOREVER.           
AND THAT -- SO HISTORY HAS A    
WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT   
AND THAT -- SO HISTORY HAS A    
WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT   
THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND    
WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT   
THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND    
ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING   
THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND    
ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING   
THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND    
ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING   
THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND    
GO AWAY AND THAT WE'LL NEVER    
THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND    
GO AWAY AND THAT WE'LL NEVER    
KNOW WITH CERTAINTY --          
GO AWAY AND THAT WE'LL NEVER    
KNOW WITH CERTAINTY --          
>> IMAGINATION FILLS IN.        
KNOW WITH CERTAINTY --          
>> IMAGINATION FILLS IN.        
FILLS IN THE BLANKS.            
>> IMAGINATION FILLS IN.        
FILLS IN THE BLANKS.            
AND THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF   
FILLS IN THE BLANKS.            
AND THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF   
ART AND --                      
AND THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF   
ART AND --                      
>> I'M SAY, IT'S WHAT THE       
ART AND --                      
>> I'M SAY, IT'S WHAT THE       
HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO     
>> I'M SAY, IT'S WHAT THE       
HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO     
DO.                             
HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO     
DO.                             
YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A   
DO.                             
YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A   
CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND   
YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A   
CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND   
USE YOUR IMAGINATION.           
CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND   
USE YOUR IMAGINATION.           
>> IT'S SO ANNOYING.            
USE YOUR IMAGINATION.           
>> IT'S SO ANNOYING.            
I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW --       
>> IT'S SO ANNOYING.            
I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW --       
IT'S TRUE.                      
I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW --       
IT'S TRUE.                      
I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE        
IT'S TRUE.                      
I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE        
THINKING SOMETIMES.             
I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE        
THINKING SOMETIMES.             
I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE        
THINKING SOMETIMES.             
I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE        
FEELING, AND PHI DON'T HAVE A   
I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE        
FEELING, AND PHI DON'T HAVE A   
DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT,   
FEELING, AND PHI DON'T HAVE A   
DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT,   
I CAN'T GO OVER THAT LINE.      
DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT,   
I CAN'T GO OVER THAT LINE.      
YOU GUYS CAN.                   
I CAN'T GO OVER THAT LINE.      
YOU GUYS CAN.                   
I'M JEALOUS.                    
YOU GUYS CAN.                   
I'M JEALOUS.                    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
I'M JEALOUS.                    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT      
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT      
TRUE YOU STARTED BEING          
>> ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT      
TRUE YOU STARTED BEING          
INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE     
TRUE YOU STARTED BEING          
INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE     
KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE   
INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE     
KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE   
MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY     
KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE   
MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY     
WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR    
MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY     
WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR    
THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A      
WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR    
THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A      
FILM?                           
THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A      
FILM?                           
>> YEAH, I DID.                 
FILM?                           
>> YEAH, I DID.                 
I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE         
>> YEAH, I DID.                 
I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE         
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH   
I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE         
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH   
THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE       
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH   
THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE       
EARLY '50S -- I FORGOT WHEN I   
THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE       
EARLY '50S -- I FORGOT WHEN I   
WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN   
EARLY '50S -- I FORGOT WHEN I   
WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN   
EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE   
WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN   
EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE   
WHOLE PROGRAM, AND --           
EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE   
WHOLE PROGRAM, AND --           
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
WHOLE PROGRAM, AND --           
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THANK YOU.                   
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THANK YOU.                   
AND I DID WANT TO GET THE       
>> THANK YOU.                   
AND I DID WANT TO GET THE       
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND     
AND I DID WANT TO GET THE       
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND     
THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND    
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND     
THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND    
BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO      
THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND    
BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO      
TELL A STORY WITH STILL         
BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO      
TELL A STORY WITH STILL         
PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME     
TELL A STORY WITH STILL         
PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME     
TO GET MY DAD'S CAMERA AND MY   
PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME     
TO GET MY DAD'S CAMERA AND MY   
DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT      
TO GET MY DAD'S CAMERA AND MY   
DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT      
WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP      
DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT      
WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP      
GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED      
WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP      
GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED      
THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN'T   
GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED      
THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN'T   
WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN      
THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN'T   
WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN      
8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE         
WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN      
8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE         
CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA      
8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE         
CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA      
AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST    
CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA      
AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST    
HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD      
AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST    
HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD      
THE STORY WITH THE              
HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD      
THE STORY WITH THE              
8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA,      
THE STORY WITH THE              
8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA,      
CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT       
8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA,      
CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT       
BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD.    
CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT       
BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD.    
HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT      
BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD.    
HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT      
WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE       
HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT      
WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE       
CAMERA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT       
WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE       
CAMERA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT       
WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME!        
CAMERA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT       
WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME!        
BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE      
WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME!        
BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE      
THE FILM MOVIE.                 
BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE      
THE FILM MOVIE.                 
I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO    
THE FILM MOVIE.                 
I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO    
THE DESERT -- I WAS RAISED IN   
I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO    
THE DESERT -- I WAS RAISED IN   
ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA,      
THE DESERT -- I WAS RAISED IN   
ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA,      
WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN        
ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA,      
WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN        
COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS   
WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN        
COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS   
MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG.         
COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS   
MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG.         
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG.         
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> THREE MINUTES LONG, NO       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> THREE MINUTES LONG, NO       
EDITING EQUIPMENT.              
>> THREE MINUTES LONG, NO       
EDITING EQUIPMENT.              
I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE    
EDITING EQUIPMENT.              
I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE    
CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD      
I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE    
CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD      
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED     
CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD      
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED     
THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD     
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED     
THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD     
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE    
THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD     
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE    
CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS,      
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE    
CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS,      
GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT,      
CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS,      
GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT,      
THEY BOTH FALL DEAD.            
GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT,      
THEY BOTH FALL DEAD.            
THAT'S IT.                      
THEY BOTH FALL DEAD.            
THAT'S IT.                      
TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO     
THAT'S IT.                      
TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO     
THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE    
TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO     
THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE    
HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON       
THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE    
HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON       
FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL   
HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON       
FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL   
-- SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY      
FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL   
-- SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY      
SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU          
-- SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY      
SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU          
DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND       
SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU          
DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND       
THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A     
DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND       
THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A     
CIVILIAN.                       
THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A     
CIVILIAN.                       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
CIVILIAN.                       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> THAT WAS THE END OF THAT.    
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> THAT WAS THE END OF THAT.    
THAT'S TRUE.                    
>> THAT WAS THE END OF THAT.    
THAT'S TRUE.                    
>> WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE   
THAT'S TRUE.                    
>> WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE   
LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL       
>> WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE   
LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL       
TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF     
LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL       
TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF     
YOUR LIFE?                      
TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF     
YOUR LIFE?                      
IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE      
YOUR LIFE?                      
IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE      
PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE       
IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE      
PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE       
PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR     
PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE       
PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR     
REMEMBER?                       
PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR     
REMEMBER?                       
>> I THINK WHAT I'VE WATCHED    
REMEMBER?                       
>> I THINK WHAT I'VE WATCHED    
HAPPEN -- WRITING ITSELF IS A   
>> I THINK WHAT I'VE WATCHED    
HAPPEN -- WRITING ITSELF IS A   
MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND   
HAPPEN -- WRITING ITSELF IS A   
MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND   
I'M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS    
MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND   
I'M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS    
ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH    
I'M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS    
ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH    
BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS     
ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH    
BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS     
OF THE HOUSE.                   
BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS     
OF THE HOUSE.                   
BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH   
OF THE HOUSE.                   
BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH   
THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE     
BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH   
THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE     
IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS.     
THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE     
IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS.     
AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A    
IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS.     
AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A    
TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND   
AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A    
TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND   
STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY   
TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND   
STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY   
ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT   
STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY   
ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT   
MADE ME REALIZE I WASN'T        
ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT   
MADE ME REALIZE I WASN'T        
TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID     
MADE ME REALIZE I WASN'T        
TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID     
JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S        
TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID     
JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S        
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP      
JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S        
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP      
EXPERIENCE.                     
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP      
EXPERIENCE.                     
I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS       
EXPERIENCE.                     
I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS       
MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT       
I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS       
MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT       
THAN -- I NEVER WOULD HAVE      
MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT       
THAN -- I NEVER WOULD HAVE      
IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO    
THAN -- I NEVER WOULD HAVE      
IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO    
GO BACK TO THE QUESTION.        
IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO    
GO BACK TO THE QUESTION.        
I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH      
GO BACK TO THE QUESTION.        
I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH      
PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT   
I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH      
PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT   
THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY      
PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT   
THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY      
HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM    
THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY      
HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM    
SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT'S   
HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM    
SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT'S   
WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE       
SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT'S   
WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE       
FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE      
WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE       
FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE      
PART OF SOMETHING THAT          
FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE      
PART OF SOMETHING THAT          
PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I       
PART OF SOMETHING THAT          
PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I       
COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED       
PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I       
COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED       
ALONE, AND THAT'S AN            
COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED       
ALONE, AND THAT'S AN            
INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND         
ALONE, AND THAT'S AN            
INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND         
THAT'S WHAT -- IF I WANT TO     
INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND         
THAT'S WHAT -- IF I WANT TO     
GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT'S WHAT    
THAT'S WHAT -- IF I WANT TO     
GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT'S WHAT    
THE FILM WAS ABOUT.             
GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT'S WHAT    
THE FILM WAS ABOUT.             
IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN     
THE FILM WAS ABOUT.             
IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN     
WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE   
IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN     
WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE   
DO SOMETHING THAT THEY          
WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE   
DO SOMETHING THAT THEY          
COULDN'T DO INDIVIDUALLY.       
DO SOMETHING THAT THEY          
COULDN'T DO INDIVIDUALLY.       
THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF           
COULDN'T DO INDIVIDUALLY.       
THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF           
LEADERSHIP.                     
THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF           
LEADERSHIP.                     
AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER     
LEADERSHIP.                     
AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER     
AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM    
AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER     
AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM    
-- CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND     
AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM    
-- CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND     
FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF THERE IS     
-- CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND     
FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF THERE IS     
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL   
FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF THERE IS     
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL   
TO THE FUTURE IS WE'VE GOT TO   
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL   
TO THE FUTURE IS WE'VE GOT TO   
DO IT AGAIN.                    
TO THE FUTURE IS WE'VE GOT TO   
DO IT AGAIN.                    
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
DO IT AGAIN.                    
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR     
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR     
RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT   
>> TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR     
RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT   
AS ADVICE FOR TODAY'S           
RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT   
AS ADVICE FOR TODAY'S           
POLITICIANS?                    
AS ADVICE FOR TODAY'S           
POLITICIANS?                    
>> CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM     
POLITICIANS?                    
>> CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM     
THE SET?                        
>> CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM     
THE SET?                        
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
THE SET?                        
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> FOR ME, THE THING THAT I     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> FOR ME, THE THING THAT I     
-- I WAS THERE THE WHOLE        
>> FOR ME, THE THING THAT I     
-- I WAS THERE THE WHOLE        
TIME, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO      
-- I WAS THERE THE WHOLE        
TIME, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO      
DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE       
TIME, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO      
DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE       
WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE        
DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE       
WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE        
TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I   
WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE        
TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I   
CALLED MYSELF YOUR META         
TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I   
CALLED MYSELF YOUR META         
PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I    
CALLED MYSELF YOUR META         
PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I    
SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED, AND I   
PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I    
SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED, AND I   
TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF     
SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED, AND I   
TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF     
HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING.     
TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF     
HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING.     
WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR    
HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING.     
WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR    
THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE    
WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR    
THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE    
SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD     
THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE    
SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD     
NOT, YOU KNOW -- WE PUT A       
SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD     
NOT, YOU KNOW -- WE PUT A       
TEXT THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE GO    
NOT, YOU KNOW -- WE PUT A       
TEXT THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE GO    
UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE      
TEXT THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE GO    
UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE      
FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE       
UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE      
FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE       
DAY, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE,     
FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE       
DAY, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE,     
BUT I WAS WALKING' THE STREET   
DAY, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE,     
BUT I WAS WALKING' THE STREET   
AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS   
BUT I WAS WALKING' THE STREET   
AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS   
STANDING AROUND, PLAYING        
AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS   
STANDING AROUND, PLAYING        
UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE   
STANDING AROUND, PLAYING        
UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE   
SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND   
UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE   
SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND   
I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET     
SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND   
I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET     
WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND       
I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET     
WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND       
DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER,       
WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND       
DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER,       
DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN,     
DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER,       
DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN,     
COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO       
DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN,     
COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO       
HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE    
COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO       
HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE    
OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND    
HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE    
OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND    
I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE   
OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND    
I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE   
TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT'S   
I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE   
TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT'S   
WRONG, AND I SAID TURN          
TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT'S   
WRONG, AND I SAID TURN          
AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE       
WRONG, AND I SAID TURN          
AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE       
FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL,      
AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE       
FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL,      
WHY, WHAT DID YOU -- WHAT DID   
FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL,      
WHY, WHAT DID YOU -- WHAT DID   
YOU DO, WHAT'S WRONG?           
WHY, WHAT DID YOU -- WHAT DID   
YOU DO, WHAT'S WRONG?           
>> I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE    
YOU DO, WHAT'S WRONG?           
>> I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE    
SEEN.                           
>> I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE    
SEEN.                           
I CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE          
SEEN.                           
I CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE          
PRESIDENT.                      
I CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE          
PRESIDENT.                      
>> HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU    
PRESIDENT.                      
>> HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU    
DO?                             
>> HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU    
DO?                             
>> I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT.   
DO?                             
>> I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT.   
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT.   
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT   
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT   
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED    
>> I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT   
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED    
AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT      
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED    
AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT      
REPEATED, IT'S ALSO ONE OF MY   
AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT      
REPEATED, IT'S ALSO ONE OF MY   
FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL    
REPEATED, IT'S ALSO ONE OF MY   
FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL    
STULBACH, WHO -- THE GORGEOUS   
FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL    
STULBACH, WHO -- THE GORGEOUS   
THING HE DOES, HE STARTS        
STULBACH, WHO -- THE GORGEOUS   
THING HE DOES, HE STARTS        
TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE    
THING HE DOES, HE STARTS        
TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE    
TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT        
TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE    
TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT        
MOMENT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL        
TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT        
MOMENT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL        
SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF       
MOMENT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL        
SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF       
FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT     
SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF       
FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT     
PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS       
FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT     
PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS       
WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE    
PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS       
WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE    
HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED    
WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE    
HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED    
TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE     
HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED    
TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE     
-- HE LOOKS COMPLETELY          
TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE     
-- HE LOOKS COMPLETELY          
ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND     
-- HE LOOKS COMPLETELY          
ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND     
YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT     
ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND     
YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT     
OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP       
YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT     
OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP       
BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE    
OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP       
BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE    
UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF,    
BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE    
UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF,    
LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU      
UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF,    
LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU      
WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL        
LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU      
WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL        
STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE      
WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL        
STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE      
BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND   
STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE      
BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND   
DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW   
BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND   
DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW   
WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF       
DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW   
WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF       
JUSTICE.                        
WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF       
JUSTICE.                        
AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY.    
JUSTICE.                        
AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY.    
I THINK THAT'S A LOVELY         
AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY.    
I THINK THAT'S A LOVELY         
MOMENT, AND I DON'T THINK       
I THINK THAT'S A LOVELY         
MOMENT, AND I DON'T THINK       
IT'S SENTIMENTAL.               
MOMENT, AND I DON'T THINK       
IT'S SENTIMENTAL.               
I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY'S   
IT'S SENTIMENTAL.               
I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY'S   
HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE       
I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY'S   
HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE       
THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN,       
HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE       
THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN,       
THEY'VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES,   
THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN,       
THEY'VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES,   
THEY'VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE   
THEY'VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES,   
THEY'VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE   
IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND     
THEY'VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE   
IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND     
DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I    
IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND     
DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I    
THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY     
DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I    
THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY     
FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE   
THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY     
FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE   
AND SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE     
FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE   
AND SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE     
TO SEE REPEATED MORE.           
AND SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE     
TO SEE REPEATED MORE.           
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
TO SEE REPEATED MORE.           
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> OKAY.                        
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> OKAY.                        
AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION   
>> OKAY.                        
AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION   
I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN       
AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION   
I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN       
YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR          
I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN       
YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR          
WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE      
YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR          
WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE      
AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT   
WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE      
AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT   
OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN           
AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT   
OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN           
RICHMOND!                       
OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN           
RICHMOND!                       
>>  [APPLAUSE]                  
RICHMOND!                       
>>  [APPLAUSE]                  
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.         
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