Spielberg, a popularist would say
Spielberg would qualify more, really.
We're constantly finding out
about the iconic things
being erased within the film.
Is there anything that you
would be particularly upset
about being erased, apart
from The Beatles, of course?
Ooh.
Chocolate.
(laughter)
Good answer.
The Clash.
There's always one band
that's yours, isn't there?
That you feel that connection with.
It would be The Clash.
I couldn't bear that.
When Joe Strummer died, who was
the lead singer of The Clash,
I'd never met him or
anything like that
but I felt like it was like a member
of my family had passed away.
Anyway, The Clash.
There's a line in there about Jack,
and inadvertently The Beatles,
being the Shakespeare of music.
Do you think we have a
Shakespeare of film?
- (inhales) Ooh.
- A Shakespeare of film?
That's interesting.
There's no single figure,
I don't think.
Kubrick? But I don't
know Shakespeare really.
Spielberg, a popularist would say
Spielberg would qualify more, really.
- Yes, in terms of the breadth.
- Yeah, more popular taste, really.
But not in terms of a-,
no, I don't think so.
- Interesting question, though.
- Yeah, that's really good.
At the start of the film,
we see Jack struggling
to stay motivated towards his goal.
Were there any moments
early on in your careers
where you went through
something similar,
and how did you stay
motivated through that time?
Well, it was less a
motivation to continue.
It was a motivation to make a shift
which was, you know,
I was in EastEnders for a long
time and I needed to make a shift,
and so I needed to find the
motivation to do that,
to make the decision to move on.
So that was kind of my moment where
I struggled with it for a while.
I used to work at a theatre
and they used to apply
for these things called a Thames
Television Theatre bursary,
which is when they pay the
costs of employing me.
I used to go up for that every year
and every year I'd fail to get it.
(laughter)
That was pretty depressing.
But the theatre kept me on,
they believed in me,
whereas the Thames TV bursary
people clearly didn't.
- Well, they made a mistake.
- You've got to keep going.
Something to think about.
When you were performing
Please Help Me,
it sounded like a
massive cry for help.
What do you think Jack expected from
finally becoming a successful artist?
What did Jack expect?
I guess he expected
things to be easier,
because we have this
idea of success as being
something that makes
your life easier.
But in some ways, unless the
right things are with you
and you keep the right
things close to you,
then it'll just make your
life harder, I think.
Very true.
