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On today's show, we
have a live interview
at the NRB convention
with Bill Federer
who is perhaps America's
premier Christian historian,
and he's written a new book,
the title is read it this way,
The Treacherous World
of the 16th Century
and how the pilgrims escaped it.
It is very colorful,
it's got some vignettes
about the pilgrims
welcome Bill Federer
to the program.
- Well Dr. Chaps
great to be with you.
- So Bill, I just love the
way that you approach history
because you put the
politics you put the events
and you push and
analyze each story.
Tell us why you wrote this book.
- Well, there's a
tactical deconstruction
where it's communist tactic
where you the separate people
from their past get
them into a neutral
where they do not remember
where they came from,
and then you can brainwash them
into the future you
have planned for them.
It's a sales technique.
So if I was a
toothpaste salesman,
the first thing I would
do is say negative things
about the toothpaste
you are currently using.
You're still using
that old stuff
don't you know lithium
enamel off your teeth?
You're repulsed by it.
Now I have the into a neutral,
you're sort of open minded,
what are all the toothpaste
out there nowadays,
and then I can give you my pitch
for this brand new tartar
control breath freshener stuff.
So what they do is they
go into the classrooms
and they tell the
students negative things
about the founding fathers,
they took land from Indians,
they sold people into slavery
and who the students
are repulsed by him.
Now you got the
kids into a neutral,
they're sort of open minded,
what are all the belief
systems out there nowadays?
Then you can give
them your pitch
for socialism or LGBT or Islam.
So a car goes from
drive neutral reverse
and Europe went through this.
Europe went from a Judeo
Christian passed, right?
Catholic cathedrals,
Protestant Reformation
Jewish neighborhoods.
And then Europe went
into a secular neutral
with the French Revolution
and Robespierre Napoleon
spreading all his friends
secularism and free sex
and LGBT gay anything
goes and now it's turning
into an Islamic
Europe with Mohammed
being the number one name
for newborns in London,
Milan, Brussels, Germany.
And so we see there's
a trend to history,
and it's important for us
to rediscover our roots.
And so that's what I'm
doing with this book,
The Treacherous World
of the 16th century.
Why did they come over
in the first place?
Well, Western
Europe was Catholic
and then the Muslims invaded.
That's right, the same
thing we're facing today.
So Muslims after Mohammed
death, conquered Egypt,
which used to be
completely Christian,
evangelized by Mark
that wrote the gospel.
Then the Muslims
conquered Syria,
which used to be
completely Christian,
evangelized by the Apostle Paul.
Then the Muslims
conquered North Africa.
There used to be 250 Catholic
Diocese along North Africa.
They were all conquered
by the Muslims.
Christians had embraced
something called pietism
in the fourth and fifth century.
It was this thought that if
you really become a Christian,
you should give away all
your money and live in a cave
or join a monastery or build
a platform in the desert
and bake the sun
thinking you're denying
your flesh and getting holier.
But it's all this
me focused salvation
that abandoned responsibility
and as a result is am just
swept through North Africa.
Then in the year 711
they invaded Spain.
They're on horseback
with stirrups
and scimitar swords,
those curve swords.
The Europeans are on foot
with heavy metal swords
in 10 years the Muslims
conquer all Spain
and they're finally
stopped outside of Paris
at the battle it
tours in 732 AD,
just 100 years after the
death of Muhammad at 632 AD.
So it's a military campaign.
Then they come around and
conquer what is today Turkey.
All seven churches mentioned
in the book of Revelation
were conquered.
And when that happens,
Columbus set sail
looking for a sea route
'cause the land routes
were cut off by the Muslims.
Well then they invade
further into Europe
and capture Romania,
Bulgaria, Albania, Walachia,
Moldavia, all these countries
and finally there at
the gates of Vienna.
And so the Reformation starts
in 1517 with Martin Luther,
and 1529, 100,000 Muslims
are surrounding Vienna.
And Martin Luther says, "The
Turk is the rod of the wrath
"of the Lord our God."
If the Turks got the devil
is not beating first,
there's reason to fear that Turk
will not be so easy to
beat because the fight
against the Turks must
begin with repentance,
we must reform our lives
we shall fight in vain.
So it's this idea
that Martin Luther
had that went back to
the book of Deuteronomy,
the idea that "If you hearken
to the voice of the Lord,
"your nation will be
blessed, you'll be the head
"not the tail but if you
do not hearken to the voice
"of the Lord, the stranger
will come in amongst you
"and rise up above you
and He will be the head
"and you will be the tail and
you will be in debt to him"
And so we see that when God
allows illegal immigrants
to come in and rise up above
that's a sign of judgment
of how God judges Israel.
Well, he let the Philistines
and the Amalekites
and the Edomites
and the Moabites
all come in and oppress
them, what was it?
What did they do
when they came in?
They disarmed them, right?
And so that the Israelites
had to go to the Philistines
to get their farm
implement sharpen
because they were not
allowed to have a blacksmith.
And so when Jonathan
and David were there,
they were the only two
that actually had swords
no one else and so when a
people are being disarmed right?
Giving up their weapons, it is
a sign you are under judgment
as a nation and when
you're being invaded,
and the ones coming in
get favorable status.
Anyway, this was Martin
Luther's attitude.
So the Holy Roman Emperor is
Charles the fifth of Spain.
- Hang on, I gotta
ask that make sure
you keep the timeline in place.
What year is as
Charles of Spain?
- Right so quickly
Mohammed dies in 632AD
732AD they're outside
of Paris, the Muslims,
the Turks convert into Islam
and start invading
turkey in 1071
they conquered
Constantinople in 1453
and now they're at the
gates of Vienna and 1529.
- Wow, right around the
time of Martin Luther.
- Right so 12 years
after Martin Luther
starts the Reformation
there's 100,000 Muslims
surrounding Vienna.
And the Holy Roman Emperor
Charles the fifth of Spain
is faced with a double dilemma.
He's Catholic, from his point
of view he has two problems.
One is the Muslim invasion,
and the second is
this reformation.
And so Charles the fifth
does something unprecedented.
He makes a deal with
the Protestants.
It's called the piece
of Augsburg of 1555.
And this is the first treaty
ever to recognize Protestants.
And there's a little Latin
phrase in the treaty,
cuius regio eius religio
which means cuius is the
rain eius is the religion.
In other words look King,
you can believe whatever
you want your kingdom.
Let's just work together
against these Muslims
who are invading Europe because
they want to kill us all.
And so it starts this domino
effect in the next century.
Where different kings
believe different things.
- We're gonna take a
short break right there.
So, Bill has brought
us up to the point
where the Muslim hordes are
invading Vienna, invading Europe
but the Protestants and
Catholics unify together.
What happens next and
how does this result
in the pilgrims
coming to America?
More with Bill
Federer after this.
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I feel like I'm
on a cliffhanger.
This is like a soap opera
story, but it's real history.
And you left us with the
Muslim hordes invading Europe
and then there was this
deal between the Catholics
and Protestants pick
up where you left to.
- Right so Charles
the fifth of Spain
was most powerful
guy in the world.
He controlled all of the new
worlds and he's taking the gold
from Inca Peru to fit out
his Navy to fight the Muslim
from taking over
the Mediterranean.
The Philippines are named
after his son King
Philip of Spain.
He finally abdicates the
throne and joins a monastery
and then the son Philip
the second takes over.
But here's Charles the fifth
faced with this double dilemma,
Protestant Reformation,
one hand Muslim evasion
on the other hand, tries
to make it work, It doesn't
then he does this treaty called
a piece of Augsburg, 1555.
And this lets every king
decide was he's gonna be
believed in His Kingdom.
And so in the next century,
you have this domino effect
where northern Germany and
Sweden become Lutheran,
Switzerland, Calvinist, Holland,
Dutch Reformed, Scotland,
Presbyterian, England was
Anglican, Switzerland, Calvinist
and of course, Italy,
Spain, France, Austria,
Poland, Ireland,
remained Catholic
but if you did not believe
the way your king did,
you were persecuted it
was considered treason
and you were burnt at
the stake or you fled
And so suddenly all
of Europe was thrown
into this mass migration
of people shifting
from one country to another
simply for conscience sake.
Now we focus in on England.
That's where the
pilgrims came from.
England was Catholic with
the King Henry the Eighth.
He was married to
Catherine of Aragon,
the daughter of
Ferdinand and Isabella,
the one who sent
Columbus to America.
After Catherine does not
have a son, for 18 years,
she has a daughter
Mary, but not a son.
Henry the Eighth
decides to divorce her.
And the Pope won't
recognize the divorce
because she is after
all the daughter
of the most powerful
guy in the world
and six months earlier
the Charles with his men
invaded Rome and imprison the
Pope for six months, and so.
- They put the pope in jail?
- Right so Charles
the fifth imprisoned
the Pope for six months
so the king of Spain
was flexing his muscles
and so the Pope didn't
wanna go against him
and so the Pope
refused to acknowledge
entertain the divorce
of the daughter Catherine
of Aragon of Spain
And so Henry the Eighth decides,
he's gonna make
himself his own Pope.
He starts the Church of England
puts himself on as the head.
And he goes on to have
Six Wives and their fates
were divorced, beheaded, died,
divorce, beheaded, survived.
So Henry the Eighth was
not a really nice guy
to be married to he
had six wives not eight
people think, oh,
is Henry the Eighth
'cause he had a twice he
only had six wives anyway.
So his advisor suggested
if he really wants
to go through with
breaking from Rome
he should stop using
that Latin Bible
and get himself
an English Bible.
Right, Martin Luther translated
the Bible into German
and that helped
these German princes
to break away from Rome
so he needs an English one
just so happens three years
earlier, Henry the Eighth
had William Tyndall
burned at the stake.
Why? Well for translating
the Bible in English.
William Tyndale's
last words were
" Lord open the king
of England's eyes"
So three years later he
wants to do this divorce
the Pope don't recognize it
and so they basically scrambled
looking for an english Bible
and they take William Tyndale's
work and sort of redo it
and call it The Great Bible.
The cover page has
a big engraving of
Henry on his throne,
handing the Bible to the
clergy and the nobleman
and there're these
little scripts of ribbon
with a little saying and they're
all saying all these great
things about King, thanks
King, you're wonderful.
Anyway, Henry likes it
spreads it around England,
dusts his hand thinking
this will do it.
We split from Rome, but
something unexpected happened.
People began to read it now
that it's in their language.
And they began to compare
what's in this Bible
to this king divorcing
and beheading his wives.
And so a group starts
that wants to purify
the Church of England and
they're nicknamed the Puritans.
And then a bunch of other
little groups are splitting off
and the King's like
whoa, hold on here.
And he institute's
an act a uniformity.
You have to believe
exactly the way he says and
- What he thinks he's
the new pope, so why not?
- Right and so they have the
the Book of Common Prayer,
you wanna say a prayer,
here's the book,
you gotta say it the
way it is in the book,
- Thomas Cranmer really.
- Right and it's actually
a really good book.
But nevertheless, it was
the government dictating it.
And so other groups began they
actually had a prayer book
war at a certain period
but what happened was
the king had the star chamber
this was a room in
one of the castles
where if you were accused of
having five people meeting
to talk religion without
approval from the government,
they would raid the meeting
and arrest everybody
for breaking the law, if you
were a dissenting preacher
you had to be five
miles outside of town.
Otherwise you were arrested
for breaking the law.
And so the, the star chamber
you could not confront
your your accuser
you couldn't have an attorney,
they would just twist your
arm, cut off your ear,
cut your nose in half
brand you on the face
as a heretic for
SL seditious libel.
And then there was
another group that said
"It's beyond hope trying to
purify the Anglican Church
"We're gonna separate ourselves.
It would meet secret barns
and basements by candle out,
they would get captured but
they finally fled in 1607
to Holland and we call
them the pilgrims.
Now they're in Holland
for seven years.
- So wait, the Puritans
tried to purify
the Church of England
failed became separatists
and moved to Holland
- While the Puritans
stayed there
and they kept working
inside the system
the separatists were a
whole different group.
And they were sort of on
the outs of everybody.
There were sure like a legal
house churches in China.
I mean, they were just meeting
in secret on their own.
And they would have little
pastors like John Robinson,
who was a dissenting
pastor and he said,
"Okay, you got really tough
decisions, well the whole little
"congregation would
fast and pray and vote"
And it was called
the congregational
form of church government.
And so anyway, they
flew to Holland,
they settled in a
city called Leiden
which just a few years earlier
had survived the Spanish Furies.
And if I can depart on a
loaded little rabbit trail,
- Wait a minute, Bill Federer
going on a rabbit trail
who ever would have
predicted this, go ahead.
- So the Muslims are still
conquering and in 1571
so the Reformation is
what 1517, this is 1571
so you got 230 Muslim ships
powered by 15,000 Christian
slaves under the deck rowing.
- Wow.
- And it's the Battle of lepanto
the biggest battle ever
on the Mediterranean.
And then there's 200 of
the holy league ships.
And this is Austria, Spain,
France, Italy and Genoa
and they don't get along
and Pope Pius the fifth
twist every army
can find to get them
to work together
against the Muslims.
Now, it's easy to remember
Pope Pius the fifth
'cause the Roman
numeral five is V
and they did win the victory
so it's the V for victory.
Anyway, so Pius the fifth twist
their arm they work together
they only do it if King
Charles the fifth son
would lead them, I mean
has to have a stake in this
- Philip.
- Right well, this is
an illegitimate son
named John of Austria
but you're following
both Philip the second is the
the son of Charles the fifth,
but the illegitimate son
John of Austria 25 years old,
and he's leading this last
ditch effort to save Europe
from the Muslim invasion and
the wind is against them.
And the admirals tell him you
know, we can fight another day
he goes, no, we're gonna
fight it gets him on deck
they pray while they're praying
the wind changes 180 degrees,
the Muslim sales go limp
the Holy league sales
fill up with air
and they smash into
the Muslim fleet
and capture or sink 200
of the 230 Muslim ships
- And we win.
- We win, now they had
this brief opportunity
that they could have
taken that navy and gone
to every single Island and port
and freed them up
from the Muslims.
They defeated the Ottoman Navy,
they could have
done it but instead,
Spain decides to take its navy
and smash the Reformation
in England and in Holland.
So in Holland, it's called
the Spanish theories.
The Iron Duke, the Duke
of Alba goes into Antwerp
and has his men butchered
men, women and children
leave piles of bodies I
mean, it's really terrible
and then he sends the
Armada to England.
So, I'll talk about the Armada
in a minute but in Holland,
William of Orange and
they had seven provinces
and he was a stadholder
which means stad mean city,
and so seven united Netherlands
but he was the
most powerful guy.
William orange drives the
Spaniards out and freeze Leiden
and they started University
and they have an annual
day of Thanksgiving.
But in Holland settled
the Jews, right there.
They're chased out of Spain,
they're chased out of Portugal.
The Jews settled in Holland
and settled the Leiden
and so here the pilgrims
now are rubbing shoulders
with the Jews and they're
identifying that with him
The pharaoh we fled the
King of England, everything.
- We're gonna take
a short break.
with all of that turmoil an
upheaval in a naval victory
in the Mediterranean now we
find the pilgrims in Holland,
ready to leave and
come to America.
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joined with Bill Federer
who is author of this book,
The Treacherous World
of the 16th century
and how the pilgrims escaped it.
Bill, you have us on
a cliffhanger now,
the pilgrims are all
huddled in Holland,
their cavorting with
the Jewish people.
they're fleeing King
Henry the Eighth
or the Puritan
movement of England
they couldn't reform the church.
Why did they come to America?
- So Holland had the largest
military merchant Empire
Middle Ages, there
were no companies,
it was a sin called usury
to pay or receive interest.
So when the
Reformation happened,
Holland started what is
arguably the first company
it's called the Dutch
East India Company.
And they had a monopoly
on trade with Japan.
And they had Jakarta,
India and Goaz, India
and Jakarta, Indonesia and
then Risithi South America
and New Amsterdam
which became New York.
And so the Dutch
invented companies.
So, if you wanted to
do some big endeavor
like sail around the
world to trade for spices,
you had to hit up some
rich guy or a king.
Well, once they had companies,
anybody, a blacksmith,
a cocoa farmer could
invest money in a boat.
Going over to the
Molokai islands
when it came back
field full of spices,
you would get paid a profit.
If you wanted to sell
your interest in the boat,
you would go to the
Amsterdam Stock Exchange
they invented that
and if the ship sank
they invented
insurance companies.
Now they settled New
Amsterdam and they would trade
their stocks along the
wall and when the British
took over New Amsterdam in 1664
it turned into the New York
Stock Exchange or wall street
where individual people
could pull their money
and to do big endeavors
and big companies
and then they would
all get paid a profit.
Right, so that goes back to
the 16th century in the Dutch.
So the pilgrims settle
in Holland rub shoulders
with the Jews there's
actually a Jewish professor
at the University of
life teaching Hebrew
and there's elder
William Brewster,
and he's teaching
in the university.
Finally, they decided
to flee to America.
Now this is where
it gets interesting.
There's three type of colonies.
There's company
colonies with bylaws,
and they're actually a pretty
cool deal for the king.
He makes no risk, takes no risk.
He just gives some rich guys
permission to do some endeavor,
but he gets a percentage
of what comes in.
And when the Virginia
Company happened,
it went on for five
years and went bankrupt.
So they threw it
in the king's lap,
and he had to send
over a governor
and so it became a
royal crown colony
ruled directly under the king.
Third type is a
proprietary colony
where the king gives the
whole thing as property
to a friend like William Penn
gets all the Pennsylvania
Baron Baltimore
gets all of Maryland
Well, those were the three types
the Pilgrims were gonna
land in Jamestown,
they get blown off course
and they're in Massachusetts.
It's winter it's storming
they try going south
but Cape Cod of the coast is
called the graveyard of ships
3000 shipwrecks 'cause they
have these sandy shoals
that keeps shifting and so
the pilgrims almost sink,
the captain goes back
to Plymouth and says,
"Get off the boat, no more
sailing, it's too dangerous"
And the pilgrims say
"we have a problem,
"who's gonna be in charge"
There is no king appointed
person on our boat.
The whole world is
ruled by kings, right?
That their creator gives
the power to the king
and he dispenses
it to the people
through all of his
administrators.
There was no king appointed
person on the Mayflower,
who's gonna be in charge.
- They had to come up with
a new form of government.
We have just about
two minutes left.
Bring us home and tell
people where they can find
The Treacherous World
of the 16th century.
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is my website
and so the pilgrims do a
little polarity change.
They give themselves the
authority to start a governments
called the Mayflower
Compact or covenants.
We in the presence of God
covenant ourselves together
to form a civil body
politic to pass all the laws
we think necessary unto which
we promise do submission.
Simple revolutionary,
this is them
So polarity change from set of
a top down at the bottom up.
Where did they get this idea?
From their pastor John Robinson,
who was one of the founders
of the Congregational Church,
everybody votes in the church,
they simply took their
church government
and made it their
government, government.
This became the model for
the New England colonies
and eventually the
US Constitution.
Right we the people and
the declaration governed
by the consent of
the governed again,
bottom up versus top down.
The Pilgrims experimented
with communism.
The next year, they finally
got somebody to go over
to the king and approve
Massachusetts company.
And this one now they have
bylaws but these bylaws say
"Everything's owned in
common for Seven years"
Anything gained by
planting or fishing
or hunting goes into
the common stock.
Every planter and
every adventure,
which was the investor
is one shareholder at
the end of seven years
divided equally,
sounds great on paper,
but half the pilgrims
died the first year
and they're starving and I
mean, the mom's got a sick kid
or husband died and
she does want to go out
in the field and plant.
Well, William Bradford
says "We're gonna starve
"unless we get
something planted.
"We're gonna scrap
this communistic plan"
He actually calls it
a communistic plan.
And everybody gets
their own plot of land.
Your family gets it but
whatever grows on its yours
and we'll figure out how to
pay back the adventurers later,
they did it took 40
years to pay him back.
But they survived, and so the
mom would take the little kid
put the kid on her hip
and she would go out there
and she would plant and
so it's interesting.
They experimented
with communism.
Here we have communism being
pushed in our schools today.
- And it did not work, did it?
- It did not work 'cause
there's a basic human motivation
of self interest and
that didn't be applied
in the communism.
- And the Bible says if
anyone should not eat that
or should not work,
then he should not eat
- Right, another lesson
in 1625 the pilgrims
in addition to
planting and surviving,
they did save up 800 pounds of
beaver skins and salted fish.
They put it all on a boat, they
send it to England thinking
okay, we're gonna start
paying off our debt
we want some trade for
some piece of supplies.
A Muslim ship, a
Turkish man of war
captures it the English Channel
takes the crew to Morocco
sells him into slavery.
That year 1625 the Muslims
capture over 1000 from England,
then they go to Ireland and
capture an entire village,
the stolen village of Baltimore,
Ireland run up take them to
Morocco and they go to Iceland
they capture 400 from
Reykjavik, Iceland.
And so the Muslim pirates
were attacking the pilgrims
and the same issues we're
facing today with Jihadists
- Hold that thought and you
can tell he might have more
to say on tomorrow's
show but right now
I would just wanna say The
Treacherous world of the 16th
century and how the
pilgrims escaped it.
This is a history book
and it's worthy of your
homeschooling effort.
Heck, this ought to be in
every public school in America.
Bill Federer thank you for
this time American minute.com
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