- And we are live on The Breakdown.
(cheering)
- We need a song, we need an intro song.
- That's what I said.
- Oh, he picked one!
- I said that today.
- He picked one earlier today,
you missed it.
- What song?
- Oh, it's by Tantric,
it's called The Breakdown
and it is awful.
(laughing)
19, like early 1990's.
- Childhood, that's great.
- Brought back some memories.
- So it's an actual song?
- Yeah, it's a real song.
- Can we use it?
- I don't know.
- No, legally only like 30 seconds of it,
but like we can fade it out.
- We can fade it out.
- That's great.
- Okay good, so we've got a
song called The Breakdown.
And actually, there's
a logo that Amy made,
it looked like Smack
Down, but it's Breakdown.
Like cracked lettering.
- That was my favorite one Amy.
- Yeah, alright.
So you are on the second live
edition of The Breakdown,
which is a weekly Bunker Labs
round up of news and stories,
and conversation about
entrepreneurship and veterans,
and kinda just life in general.
And every week we feature a special guest,
and this week's special
guest is Kirby Atwell.
- Thank you.
- Kirby, welcome to the show.
- I appreciate it, I appreciate it.
- Who are you, give us your background?
- Yeah.
- Green Vet Homes,
you are the entrepreneur founder.
- Yes, so I'm the founder
of Green Vet Homes.
And, I discovered The
Bunker about, when was it,
like four or five years ago,
around the time that you
guys were just starting out.
And I was just starting out,
I was just about a year
into my first business,
a year out of the military.
I had two partners at the time,
and I found out about The
Bunker, and we just dug in.
It was a Thursday morning
local meeting, and that was it.
And now it's in 17 different
continents, and (laughs)
you know, it's across the whole planet.
Back then it was just
super tactical information
that came and just pumped me up,
and I could work on the problems
that I was having with my business.
Over the next couple of years
I stayed involved with The Bunker,
and grew that business,
and then eventually
sold to my two partners.
Then about a year, year and half ago,
I started my own
business, Green Vet Homes,
which combined the real estate aspects
of what I was doing in
my previous business,
we flipped a lot of houses,
with you know, I wanted
to work with veterans.
I discovered working in The Bunker
that I really loved being
around other veterans,
and then comradery,
and the shared mindset,
and so I started Green Vet Homes.
And now I rehab houses for homeless vets.
It's a smaller business,
but it's something that I enjoy more,
and it's just something that
I'm super passionate about.
- Awesome, how many properties
are you going to rehab
this year, like what's the...
- So, when I left my previous business,
we were doing about 20 at a time.
So, a ton of chaos going on,
very small margins because
there was just a ton of staff,
and so I realized I wasn't
doing the things I enjoyed.
So, when I started this business,
I decided that I'm gonna do less deals,
but the margins are much bigger.
I do flips and I do rehabs
that I rent to homeless vets,
and so I am gonna do this year,
over the last year I've done about 15, 16,
something like that, so one to
two a month is what I target.
- Okay, and you actually buy
a property and renovate it?
- Yeah, so I buy it, renovate
it, and either rent it
to a veteran through this
VA program where they
give a voucher and
assistance to a homeless vet,
and they work to get
themselves back on their feet,
which it's been an awesome program so far,
I've had great tenants.
Or I'll just buy it,
renovate it, and flip it.
- Wow, okay cool.
- Do you, do you self--
- You make it sound so easy.
- Yeah, I do think it's
kind of easy, I'm like--
(laughing)
- It's just like HGTV.
- One, two, three, it's done.
- Yeah, I'm like,
I just got done decorating
our second bedroom
after about three years.
(laughing)
- You get a little bit of a system down
because it was painful in the beginning,
I tell yah it was, you know,
my dad's on board, I've
got some great contractors,
so I don't have to be super
actively involved onsite
knocking down walls like you see on HGTV.
- Yeah, that's exactly
what I imagined is HGTV,
you have your next show.
Do you identify as a
social impact business?
Or a social entrepreneur?
Because you have this very
specific social purpose
which is giving housing
to homeless veterans.
- it's a for-profit business.
A lot of people think it's
a non-profit business,
it's not, it's for-profit,
but I do feel that it's got
a great purpose behind it.
So I don't know if you'd
qualify it as that,
but yeah, I think it's along those lines.
- Yeah, we have talked a
lot about non-profit people,
people that come to
The Bunker and they say
I wanna do a good thing, and
so they immediately assume
it's got to be a not-for-profit.
And we always push people
to see if they can't
make it a for-profit business
first, because I mean,
it's ultimately about just
the sustainability model.
It doesn't matter if it's
not-for-profit or for-profit,
you still need a sustainability engine.
- Exactly, yeah.
- And you obviously figured that out.
- Yeah, I mean the
margins are great on it,
the rents are high because a lot of people
won't rent to veterans,
to homeless veterans,
they run the other way.
And, so if you're willing to dig in,
it can be a very profitable business,
but it's also serving a purpose
that I'm super passionate about too.
It's how you manage it really
is gonna relate to how
successful it's gonna be
like anything else, but yeah, it can be.
- Awesome, alright, well
we're glad you're here.
Justin Walker.
- Yeah, yeah.
- On the show.
- I'm here, I made it.
- You made it.
- I missed the last one,
I was out, now I'm here.
- Yeah.
- Making things happen.
- You were on vacation.
- Was I?
- Oh no, you were here.
- I was here.
I was down the road.
- Okay, you were down the
road, I guess just busy.
Any news and announcements from you?
- Yeah, we've got The
Launch Lab coming out soon,
formally known as The Epic Program,
for those of you that
don't know what that meant,
Entrepreneur Program for
Innovation and Collaboration,
shifting that to Launch Lab.
It is a 12-week long in depth
entrepreneurial experience
where super early stage
entrepreneurs can come in
and safely test and validate their ideas.
So, by the end of the program,
at the end of this 12 weeks,
they can officially say yes or no,
I want to do this business.
And we surround them with support from
subject matter experts,
our sponsors come in, get
a little bit hands on.
And it's a peer to peer
environment as well,
so other military veteran entrepreneurs
can come in and provide
different insights to
different types of businesses
and different industries.
And we surround them with
support from sales, finance,
funding, marketing, legal,
financial model development,
short term/long term strategies, etc. etc.
So, just kinda give them
everything that it is
that they need to know to be successful.
But that's starting,
orientation is August 22nd,
we have not officially said,
this is going to be the next cohort,
but we have some really strong
and competitive applicants
this time around, so we're pretty excited.
- So that's in Chicago through here,
and you wanna apply for Launch Lab,
it kicks off August 22nd.
- Applications are closed actually,
so sorry for those that are watching,
applications are closed.
And we're making the final decisions
on those that have
applied up to this point.
And that'll be finished by Friday,
and then we'll move forward next week.
- Okay cool, and if you
missed this deadline,
they can probably still reach out
because we run twice a year.
- Twice a year, absolutely.
So the next applications will be open
in the second week of September.
So if you find yourself to be interested,
and just toying around with an idea,
let us know, reach out to us,
and again, pay attention in
that second week in September
and we will let applications go live then.
- Cool, okay, and then
if you aren't in Chicago,
but you wanna start a
business, Launch Lab Online.
- Launch Lab Online is
a very similar program
as what we teach here in Chicago
and across the nation in person,
except it is in an online format.
Actually our last cohort, we
filmed all of the courses.
We filmed people sitting
right here at this very table.
Followed five founders
through the entire course.
It's really excited to see
how they have grown, changed.
You get to hear first hand
the different experiences
that they felt, the
questions that they asked,
the questions they asked themselves.
Then you get to see the
actual learnings of marketing,
sorry that's what I always lead with,
sales, and how to find customers,
making sure you have the
right product market fit,
and that is called Launch Lab Online.
That is going to be
launching November 16th.
- Yeah, so go to bunkerlabs.org
and you can click through
and find Launch Lab from there.
Or, what's the best way to do it?
- Right now it's currently,
we're in a lot of different
name changes at the moment,
so right now we have the,
the existing version is
called Bunker in a Box,
you can find that at bunkerinabox.org.
What's launching on November 16th
is the complete new user experience,
so the new design and new
platform and entire new content.
So, check out bunkerinabox.org
just to get a taste of what
we've done in the past.
But stay tuned for what's
coming because it's,
we've in true entrepreneurial fashion,
we've launched an MVP, we've listened,
we've done some user experience testing,
and we've completely revamped it,
really made some huge improvements.
So, I'm really excited
to see what happens,
what you guys think about it.
- That's awesome.
So we have a resource for you now online,
and then we'll have an even
better resource for you
come November 16th and Launch Lab Online.
And then we have stuff in person
if you're here in Chicago,
or find your local chapter
in 16 different cities,
go to bunkerlabs.org and
you can find the cities.
- Just real quick, just
to add to that too.
You don't have to be in the program
to get support from The Bunker Labs.
You can still reach out to us,
still ask your questions,
we can come in, brainstorm,
toss ideas against the whiteboard,
and we can still get you access
to the people and resources
you need in order to be successful.
Epic is just a more
structured version of that.
Just wanted to make sure
that was clear to everybody.
- Yeah, no totally.
And all, because I think
people get confused on
how do I get involved with The Bunker.
And it's like, every single
month there's a meetup,
happy hour called Bunker
Brews in all cities,
in all 16 cities, we've got one Thursday.
If you're in Chicago, want
to come out to happy hour,
come Thursday.
If you're in one of the other
cities that has a chapter,
find out when their Bunker Brews is.
- You can do that.
- And you can do that by,
last promotion and then we're gonna talk.
- Oh man, alright, we're gonna do this.
So, we have a national network,
the thousands and thousands
of military veterans
who want to start businesses,
subject matter experts of investors,
people who want to help veterans,
and it's spread out
across the entire country
and it's really hard to get
everything in the same place.
So what we did is, we got
everything in the same place.
So, tomorrow we are
really excited actually
to launch our national community app.
So this is a singular place for
anybody in any city around the country,
whether you're a veteran
or wanna help veterans,
to come onto an app.
You can see events in the local chapters
that we have available today.
Anyway, the point is, this
app is going live tomorrow,
but you can exclusively download it today,
if you're watching right now you can go to
the iTunes app store
or through Google Play,
type in Bunker Labs and
you can download our app.
And this is a place where we're just
bringing our entire community together
to come and help one another out
from anywhere you can think of.
We had a guy testing the app,
just say I have a question
about starting a business
in New York City,
yesterday he said this,
and we were able to just
pool our resources real quick,
point him in the right
direction, and he was able to
get the right answers for
what he was looking for.
That's the way it's intended to work.
It's a national community
of people trying to
help one another out.
And we found the best
way to do it was just to
put them all under one roof.
So, we're going live
tomorrow, download the app,
and you can message me on it
and just say what's up if you want.
Or message Justin or
Christine or Kirby or Todd,
and we're looking forward to
having everybody on there.
- It's a big week, so the app launches,
you can search Bunker
Labs in Google Play or...
- App Store.
- App Store.
The Launch Lab happening
in person and online,
so lots of good stuff happening,
lots of ways to support you.
And that is what we are here to do
is to help support every veteran
that wants to start a
business, and everybody else.
Alright, in the news, are you ready?
So I pulled this article because I thought
it would be interesting to
get Kirby's reaction to it.
So this is in Crain's Chicago Business,
which if you don't read
a business journal,
you should to get current
on industry trends
or whatever is happening in addition to
the podcasts and blogs and
stuff that you read online.
The real news, the fake news,
everything that you read.
So this is Dorms for
Grownups Come to Chicago.
So, if you're moving to
Chicago for a new job
or need a place to live
but don't know a soul here,
a new breed of landlord
wants your business.
Forget about looking for
a roommate on Craigslist
or blowing your budget
on an expensive one bedroom apartment,
they'll rent you a room in
building full of amenities
and people that are eager to make friends.
That's the basic pitch for
what is called co-living.
So, co-living, also described
as apartment sharing
or dorms for grownups,
a trend that's well
established in high rent cities
like New York and San Francisco,
but it's still in it's
infancy in places like Chicago
and probably doesn't
exist in other cities,
but it might soon.
And they talk about, it
has come to Logan Square,
there's a building there called The L,
which is a 120 unit building
with co-living apartments
that opened last year.
And there's a new 134
unit co-living property
in Ukrainian Village.
So, what do we think of co-living?
So I think the premise here is
it's mostly intended for 20-year olds
that are coming out of a dorm environment.
I'm assuming communal
showers, communal bathrooms.
Oh here's what they say, so it includes,
so one of these has 10
furnished co-living units
with 30 bedrooms that rent
for 1,100 to 1,400 dollars
a month in Chicago which covers utilities
and other common expenses.
And they're layering on
amenities like yoga classes,
happy hour, social
experiences, and ultimately
promoting and fulfilling the
need for human connection.
So these things are taking
off, what do you think?
Is this surprising?
Let me start with you Kirby, co-living.
- Sounds wonderful.
- Yeah, sounds great.
- Can you imagine The
Bunker with co-living space?
- Yeah, I'd co-live with you guys.
- Move away from your child
and we'll move in and,
you know, they can take care of the baby.
- Kirby just had a baby,
it's the perfect place for you.
- Exactly, a community.
- You are co-living
with your wife and baby.
- Exactly.
You know, I think it's a big niche type of
real estate area to be in.
But, who am I to say if it won't take off.
I look back, and I got
out of the Army in 2011,
I wish I would of taken
advantage of Airbnb back then,
moved to California and
bought some Airbnbs,
instead I come to Chicago
and flipping houses here,
it would of been a lot easier.
But, who knew it was
gonna take off that much,
and this could be the same.
I think it's, but it's gotta
be the right type of person,
and for real estate you
gotta think long term too.
So, if it's a fad that people
are jumping into for a while,
and you're gonna be stuck
with this 100 unit apartment
that's set up for communal living,
and nobody wants to live in commune,
then it's gonna be kind of
painful for that landlord.
But, the numbers sound pretty good
from a landlord standpoint,
just I don't know what
all the expenses are.
But it sounds like the cash flow
would be pretty heavy in that
- Cool, Justin what do you think?
- Oh my gosh.
- Were you surprised by this?
- Am I surprised?
No, absolutely not.
No, I think it's something
that people have been,
I mean obviously people have
been doing it for a while
on their own in their own
little weird Craigslist ways,
but when you say communal
showers and communal bathrooms,
communal kitchens and all this stuff,
I just think of boot camp.
And I'm like, there's a
place you can go right now,
and you can actually get paid.
(group jointly laughing and talking)
You don't have to pay $1,100
a month to live there.
You can actually get paid $1,100 a month.
Go join the military right now.
- We'll pay you to co-live.
- Yeah, we'll pay you.
- Check into the Army.
- Yeah, you know, get your tush
kicked around for a
little bit, get yelled at,
and you can have the same
experience, be totally worth it.
(laughing) Totally worth it.
So yeah, it's kind of a little mix between
boot camp and the real world
is the way I kind of view this right now.
But, obviously it's going to make money,
I think obviously that
people want to do it.
People have been wanting to do it
for a long time now for many reasons.
I think one of the biggest ones
that people mention in there
is really just around
that connectivity that
we're all constantly searching for.
So, creating a space
where people can do that,
it just seems like it was bound
to happen sooner or later.
- Yeah, the human connection piece,
I think is what's most profound to me.
It's like, yes, it's a real estate play,
but it's really about this
desire for human connection that
I think, and I'm gonna
go to you because you're
our representative millennial
in this conversation.
But it's something that
I think millennials
are seeking or looking for this connection
and it's not showing up
necessarily organically
in these disconnected,
anonymized communities,
and so what does it mean to actually
have that communal experience.
I think it's something that
we miss on active duty, right?
I'm not sure that co-living
for me is the solution to that,
but it maybe is a solution,
it's one solution.
But I think there is something
very real in that desire,
so what's your reaction?
What are your thoughts?
- Yeah I go Kirby here.
I think it's not for everybody.
I don't think this is something
I would personally participate in.
But not in the sense of just living,
I think that the sense of working.
I think co-working obviously
is something you see co-working spaces,
different brands popping
up all over major cities.
And I think if you are starting a company
with six other people,
and you all wanna move to a big city
because that's where the
dollars are or something,
and so you're going up
to New York for example,
and you know rent is
gonna be unobtainable,
especially if you're running a start up,
this is that nice little middle ground
where you can go and live there.
I read an interesting statistic
two weeks ago that Intuit,
the company that owns
Quickbooks and TurboTax,
obviously they kinda understand who their,
the people who are signing
up for using their services,
they say that by 2020, 60 million people
in the United States,
which is 45 to 50 percent
of the workforce, will be
freelance in some capacity.
That's pretty remarkable.
So to have these 60
million, half the country,
wanting to basically run their own entity,
their own incorporated entity,
that they want office space,
they want a place to run
and operate this out of,
and places where WeWork
and other co-working spaces
where they can come and do that,
that's the market there.
Half the country is
looking for office space.
And it gets really expensive
to have office space,
so this is the cheapest way to do it.
I don't think I want to be one live,
I'm 25, I think I've just
passed that threshold.
- Co-living threshold.
- Co-living threshold.
I could see why it would
be appealing parts of it
to certain people.
I guess it just depends
if the building had
a specific goal in mind, everyone
just wants the same thing.
That's more of my speed,
it's all the noise.
- You mentioned WeWork, I
mean I think this is very much
part of the trend of
the free agent economy.
It's like self-employment,
freelance economy is one
sort of employment trend.
You've got WeWork and other
players that are co-working
and doing just an
incredible job with that.
I think if you look at
WeWork and it's not just
about office space.
I mean it's very much about
a community that you join.
It's a lifestyle and it's
much bigger than co-working.
I think real estate people
if they're seeing this
as co-working are missing
the deeper meaning
and opportunity in this.
I think WeWork's figured it out.
We're a little bit biased on that,
but I think they're
doing a good job with it.
Then co-living is sort of like
the obvious next extension.
I visited the Facebook
campus in is it Sunnyvale
or Palo Alto?
- Palo Alto?
- I was there, I should know this.
I think it's Palo Alto but
it's really interesting
and part of what they do
on their campus and a lot
of Silicon Valley based
companies are doing this as well,
technology firms.
They offer full meal service,
breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
And part of it's altruism, free meal.
But the flip side of that
is we'll make sure you
can have dinner at seven
so you can go back to work.
(laughing)
It's altruism but it's also like.
But part of what they're
looking at there is
the cost of living in San
Francisco is prohibitive.
So there's a lot of other things happening
in San Francisco to figure out.
How do you actually, how
can you attract tech talent
and actually afford for
them to live in the city?
That's becoming the hurdle.
It's not just about employee
benefits and salary.
It's also about I can't
afford to live here.
So things like co-living
presents as a solution.
I don't know, Christine what do you think?
- When we first were
looking at this article
and this piece of news the
first thing that came to mind
is this is just like a hostel.
I am not this demo anymore.
- Hostels have been around for a while.
- Then I was thinking
me 15 years ago, totally
would have been game for this.
- For a little while.
- For a little, yeah.
- A month, maybe.
- Right exactly, how
long is the commitment?
Six months sure, three months sure.
But I think just the way
that the trends are going
like you said freelancing
economy the big economy
and then coupled with the
huge rise in people just
feeling lonely.
I think this is solving for that.
Sure it's a real estate play, fine.
But there's the community aspect,
that serendipity of running into somebody.
I don't know if serendipity
is the right word,
but the unplanned connections
that you can make.
- Do people even like
those anymore though?
- I don't know.
(several people speaking at once)
I don't know, I know the open
desk model and office space
isn't necessarily, has
been proven to really not
be that great.
But Google has gone out of
its way to design workspaces
that allow for these random
encounters, so to speak.
Which is co-living could
have a different meaning.
But I also think of Y
Combinator where they have
a whole bunch of startups
that they are given space.
And to your point if
you have a commonality
to really rally around,
if it's a bunch of people
that co-work together but
then also live together
and they're set for six
months or three months
or however long they can
stand each other it seems like
a really interesting way
to just meet new people
and get some interesting things done.
Maybe if it's global like
WeWork is, see the world.
Why be tied down to one specific place?
I kind of which I had this
one when I was early 20s.
- It kind of makes sense,
so much of what we love
I think for those that go to college.
The college experience
in the dorm experience
is like living in the dorm.
It's all this communal
stuff and then you graduate
and it's sort of
arbitrary and it kicks you
to the real world.
But I think there's
increasingly this desire
to keep some of that community alive.
- I was going to say
like, is there an R.A.?
Like how does this work?
Are we just taking down
complaints and making sure
people aren't?
- Especially a bunch of 22-year olds?
- Yeah the dorm for grownups.
Who's the grownup in the dorms,
good question, that's meta.
All right and last but
not least we're just gonna
go around the horn for
hacks or tips or tricks,
or things that you guys are
using that you're finding
to be effective or
helpful in your business
or in your life.
Kirby, I'm gonna start with you.
Are there things that
you're doing or trying
that you think are helpful
that folks should try out?
- Yeah actually, so
mine's a book actually.
It's one I downloaded over
a year ago and I actually
listened to four or five
months later 'cause I kind of
download a lot more than I
actually listen to or get around
to right away.
But it's called Miracle
Morning by Hal Elrod.
A lot of people probably
have read that before
but it's awesome.
I'm big into personal growth hacks.
I feel like you're either
getting better or worse
every day in every area
of your life whether
it's financially or
physically or whatever.
This book is all about taking that morning
and a process for maybe
waking up a little bit earlier
and going through steps
that will help you improve
the rest of your day.
It's pretty interesting.
I can't summarize it all right here,
but I would definitely
recommend checking it out.
Since I've been doing it, I
mean I wake up pretty early
and I start in on certain, I
have a process in the morning
for things that I do.
The shake that I eat every
day and the practices
that I have in the morning.
It sets me up for the rest of the day.
I've noticed big improvements in my life
since I've been going it.
- What time do you get up?
- I usually get up about 5:30.
- Did you start in the Army?
New habit or old habit?
- No, I couldn't wait
to get out of the Army
to sleep in.
But then a little bit more than that.
I hated getting up that
early but then once it became
my decision and I saw the results of it.
This was like when I started
my new company really
is when I, 'cause I work
from home primarily.
So I can wake up and get
working and accomplish so much
by nine a.m. when I get up
at 5:30 and walk to my desk.
It's the extent of it so yeah,
I've noticed a huge impact
on my life.
- Awesome, Justin what time do you get up?
- Oh gosh, don't even ask.
- Whenever the hangover wears off?
- No, it's not as early as it used to be.
For a while there I was
on the whole 4:30 kick.
As time went on, yeah I
was doing the 4:30 thing.
- Military like a year and a half ago.
(several people speaking at once)
- It was wonderful, it really
was and I was on that kick
for about five months maybe.
It was great then shifted
some things around,
met a new lady friend and
she's actually wonderful.
So new relationship and new
things go on and you end up
shifting your life around.
I guess my hack aside from
waking up in the morning,
my hack would be around the
gmail, to be honest with you.
As I transitioned out of the
military one of my hardest
thing to learn about was
how to benefit from using
your email.
As simple and as readily,
maybe not readily,
as easy as that may
come to a lot of people
after they've been out for some time
or for civilians or whatever.
I did not come naturally to
me to use email in the way
that it's meant to be used.
I would have an email
account and I would use it.
You send and receive but you
don't realize how wonderful
it can actually be and
how many little hacks
within gmail there actually are.
You can tag everything, you
can set limits on all kinds
of different things.
You can find keywords within
the body of the email as well
that will actually send a tag
to you that let's you know
how important it is.
This needs to be done today, right now.
This involves budgeting,
this involves something else.
Or this is an introduction
if it uses the words,
"I'd like you to meet."
so you can tag your whole
gmail system in a way
that is extremely helpful.
I think that out of all of
the hacks that I've learned
up to this point that's
probably the biggest one
I'd like to share with
not just the viewers
but everybody that ever
gets their hands on that.
- I think it's an obvious but (mumbles).
I think you have to have a gmail address.
I think you can tell by an
email address what generation
somebody's in.
If you are trying to be,
use I would highly recommend
a gmail.
It's safe, you don't want
anybody having a reaction
to your email address itself.
A gmail is a great one to use.
I mean we're not using, this
is not a brag endorsement
but gmail's a good email to use.
Keeping it simple with your name is good.
The other thing I would
say is military folks
specifically tend to
communicate, the way in which
you communicate in the
military on email is so
totally different than
the way the civilian
world communicates, let me just say that.
- I just got out, I just got
out, I still use that word.
I transitioned out of the
military just two years ago
so it's still new to me.
That whole process is still new.
I'm still trying to
learn it and navigate it
and it's been rough.
- And civilians, speaking
as a civilian we have to be
mindful of that.
Because we don't know that you
don't know there's etiquette
and tone and all of that.
If someone is sending
you a very short email
it's not rude.
It's just to the point.
- I think email is like the platinum rule.
You guys know the golden rule?
The golden rule is treat others
as you want to be treated.
Most things in life are the platinum rule
which is treat others as
they want to be treated.
So just because you like
to send a long email,
if Christine doesn't
like to get long emails,
don't send Christine a long email.
I think one of the transition
skill sets is observe
what comes at you.
If you're emails are five paragraphs long
and everyone sends you a one-line response
you're misaligned to their
mode of communication.
That's true in the reverse.
If I'm sending one word
responses and people are sending
Dear Todd, thoughtful notes
I'm off in my communication
with them.
- A hack, a tool that is in line with that
is actually gmail meter.
It's a free add-in that
it will actually send you
a report every single month
of how you're using email.
It will say how quick you
respond, what time of day
you're getting the most
email, what day of the week
you're getting the most
email, what day of the week
you're sending the most email.
- Learn something new every day.
- How much is internal
communication, or it's Chrome only?
- It's a Chrome plug-in.
- You can download it to your Chrome.
- What's it called again?
- Gmail meter.
It's just really
interesting to see how like
okay I send 60% of my emails
are over 1,000 characters long.
- I communicate mostly through my tweets,
attention span.
- Gmail meter, that's a good one.
- So that wasn't gonna be my
hack, but I guess it is now.
- That's an awesome one.
- What do you go, Will?
- Mine is called PopApp.
A lot of people, a lot of
startups wanna build apps
which is really expensive, time consuming,
hard to do if you don't know how to do it.
There is a tool called PopApp
where you literally could
on a whiteboard, go on a
whiteboard, draw the 10
login screens.
Log in here then put
in your email address,
whatever the process is.
All the screens you
can literally draw them
on a whiteboard, take a
picture with your phone.
Then when you upload them
into PopApp you can put
these basically hyperlinked
buttons on that like,
says login and I literally wrote login.
I click that, it takes
me to the next screen.
You can build basically an
MVP and the flow of your app.
You can add things like
log in through Facebook.
Stuff that it looks weird
when it's on a whiteboard
or it's sketched out on your notebook.
But it's completely free to use.
It's a really good prototyping
tool for you to get
kind of the flow and
the user experience out
of your app that you'd
like to build one day.
You can text it to people
and let them test it out.
So PopApp.io is the --.
- Can you export it as image
files so you can put it
in your pitch specs and stuff like that?
Okay, cool.
So great deal because
if you're ever gonna go
raise money from your
investors around an app
in particular they're gonna
need to see flushed out
wire frames that look good.
- This is a great place to start.
- How much is it?
- It's free.
- It's free, what's their business model?
- That's a good question.
I mean there's something.
- (voice is muffled) Gathering data?
- Yeah, that must be it, gathering.
(several people speaking at once)
(laughing)
Oh, you know what it is?
You can only make a certain
amount of prototypes
per your account.
So you can make one that's
the basic wire frames
and then you can just
go delete them I guess,
and then just have that at one.
- So premium you can try it and then.
- Yeah.
- Awesome, PopApp.
- Lee Fielder's Choice Pointer, Pointier,
sorry if I'm saying that wrong.
Says co-living like
military barracks co-living,
sign me up.
(laughing)
- All right and Lee gets the last word.
So co-living it is.
I would co-live with all of you.
Maybe not now.
(several people speaking at once)
- I don't believe you.
- We kind of do, we're here enough.
(several people speaking at once)
All right, this has been Bunker Breakdown.
This has been, what do we call it?
The Breakdown, Breakdown with Bunker Labs.
We'll see you next week.
- See you next week.
- That was great.
