We are here in the city of Berlin
and right behind me
is the Brandenburg Gate
a gate that is associated with
the division of the city of Berlin.
like no other architecture
here in this city.
As a matter of fact, where I'm
standing right now,
this is the place where the city
was divided between East and West.
This is the place where a big rift 
was going through the entire nation
of Germany, dividing it between East and West.
But today we all understand that Berlin
is a united city.
And the reason for that is that 
Christians in East and West
were praying for the unification of the city.
Today the Brandenburg Gate is no longer
a symbol of division
but it is a symbol of God
answering prayers,
a symbol of a city that God healed
and brought back together again.
I'm here with Pastor Swen Schönheit
in Berlin,
a pastor of more than 29 years here in the
capital of Germany.
Pastor Swen Schönheit was Senior Pastor
of the Apostle Peter Church,
a Lutheran church right here in Berlin.
and he's also one of the leading figures
of the Charismatic Renewal Movement
in the Lutheran Church in Germany.
Swen it's a great honor to have you
with us today.
-Welcome to our ICEJ TV program.
Thank you.
Pastor Swen, this wall, which not only divided
Berlin, but also the German people
do you see a spiritual context with our 
German History,
and what happened in the time of Hitler
or before?
I think, we cannot only understand the whole
German division psychologically or politically.
The prehistory of the so-called Third Reich
was a final breakup,
a national rising of the Nazis,
which had demonic sources.
Actually, Germany experienced a certain kind 
of revival, they had given everything:
heart and life for an idea,
that in the end was a strong deception.
And God takes idolatry very seriously.
If people worship idols, follow the
wrong leaders.
Thus, I see the whole German division as
an expression of judgement over this country.
What do you think, how much did the
prayers impact the fall of the wall?
God alone knows who, when, how and where
people have prayed.
I can say from the perspective of West Germany
that we had scheduled a pastors' meeting on 
November 10th, 1989 long before we knew
that the wall would fall.
And we started to ask them how they were,
how they had prayed and if anyone had
expected this to happen.
It was fascinating to hear individual testimonies
of how Christians secretly went
to the wall to pray.
Some of the people took communion
at the wall as the Lord put it on their hearts
I came to my new church in Berlin in the 
summer of '89
and God put it on my heart in that summer to go
sometimes even daily to the wall to pray.
and God spoke to me that the wall would 
fall in that year.
Later on I shared about that testimony I had.
This happened also to other Christians
but it was very hidden.
What is you message to countries that
need healing for their land?
God listened to the righteous people, when
Abraham negotiated with God in Genesis 18
God was willing to fo from 50
righteous people to 10 in six steps.
These 10 righteous people did not exist
in Sodom.
But I think they existed in East and West Germany
and of course in Korea people are praying
And we can encourage our brothers and 
sisters that God hears every single prayer,
God sees every single tear and He 
will change the times.
Pastor Swen this was amazing,
very inspirational.
It builds up our faith about what God can
do, touching entire nations.
Thanks so much for spending time with
us here together.
You're very welcome and God bless you all.
Germany saw the answer of prayer
and saw the healing of their land
and I know if the people of God in your land
start praying and calling upon the grace
and mercy of God, God will also answer your
call and will bring healing to your nation.
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