ONE IS HAVING A BAD NIGHT. >> INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE INDEED.
>> INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE INDEED. STAY WITH ME.
STAY WITH ME. I AM GOING TO BRING IN DONNY
I AM GOING TO BRING IN DONNY DEUTSCH, LONG TIME FRIEND OF
DEUTSCH, LONG TIME FRIEND OF MICHAEL COHEN’S AND HAS BEEN IN
MICHAEL COHEN’S AND HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH HIM THROUGH THE
TOUCH WITH HIM THROUGH THE PROCESS.
PROCESS. WHAT ARE WE TO MAKE OF WHAT
WHAT ARE WE TO MAKE OF WHAT MICHAEL COHEN PUT OUT TO THE
MICHAEL COHEN PUT OUT TO THE WORLD TODAY?
WORLD TODAY? >> I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS TWO
>> I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS TWO YEARS.
YEARS. IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY,
IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY, ALWAYS HAS BEEN ABOUT THE MONEY,
ALWAYS HAS BEEN ABOUT THE MONEY, AND IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT RUSSIAN
AND IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT RUSSIAN MONEY.
MONEY. YOU’LL START TO SEE STORIES OF
YOU’LL START TO SEE STORIES OF SAUDI MONEY.
SAUDI MONEY. DONALD TRUMP WENT BANKRUPT IN
DONALD TRUMP WENT BANKRUPT IN THE ’90s AND COULDN’T GET MONEY
THE ’90s AND COULDN’T GET MONEY ANYWHERE.
ANYWHERE. TRUMP TOWER IS FILLED WITH
TRUMP TOWER IS FILLED WITH APARTMENT AFTER APARTMENT OF
APARTMENT AFTER APARTMENT OF LLCs OF RUSSIANS.
LLCs OF RUSSIANS. DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN OWNED BY
DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN OWNED BY THE RUSSIANS FOR A LONG TIME.
THE RUSSIANS FOR A LONG TIME. DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN OWNED BY
DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN OWNED BY VLADIMIR PUTIN.
VLADIMIR PUTIN. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE’RE
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE’RE SEEING A LINE, NOT JUST ABOUT
SEEING A LINE, NOT JUST ABOUT COLLUSION, IT IS ABOUT THE
COLLUSION, IT IS ABOUT THE MONEY.
MONEY. IT IS ABOUT BUSINESS.
IT IS ABOUT BUSINESS. THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE
THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
ICEBERG. I REALLY BELIEVE EVEN POST TRUMP
I REALLY BELIEVE EVEN POST TRUMP PRESIDENCY YOU’RE GOING TO SEE
PRESIDENCY YOU’RE GOING TO SEE THE TRUMP BUSINESS EMPIRE BEING
THE TRUMP BUSINESS EMPIRE BEING PICKED APART FOR THE NEXT 20
PICKED APART FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
YEARS. IT IS BASICALLY BUILT AS A
IT IS BASICALLY BUILT AS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.
CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. AS FAR AS MICHAEL, I HAVE BEEN
AS FAR AS MICHAEL, I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO HIM THE LAST FEW
SPEAKING TO HIM THE LAST FEW DAYS, SPOKE WITH HIM TODAY.
DAYS, SPOKE WITH HIM TODAY. MICHAEL, IT IS INTERESTING FOR
MICHAEL, IT IS INTERESTING FOR MICHAEL.
MICHAEL. WE KNOW, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT
WE KNOW, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE SHOW, WAS AN EMOTIONAL
THE SHOW, WAS AN EMOTIONAL PERSONAL ALLY OF DONALD TRUMP,
PERSONAL ALLY OF DONALD TRUMP, IT WASN’T JUST BUSINESS.
IT WASN’T JUST BUSINESS. HE FELT LIKE A PART OF THE
HE FELT LIKE A PART OF THE FAMILY.
FAMILY. AND OBVIOUSLY SAID HE WOULD TAKE
AND OBVIOUSLY SAID HE WOULD TAKE BULLETS FOR HIM AND OBVIOUSLY
BULLETS FOR HIM AND OBVIOUSLY DID TAKE BULLETS.
DID TAKE BULLETS. WAS HE TOLD TO LIE, DID HE LIE
WAS HE TOLD TO LIE, DID HE LIE ON HIS OWN, THAT’S THE
ON HIS OWN, THAT’S THE INTERESTING QUESTION GOING
INTERESTING QUESTION GOING FORWARD.
FORWARD. MICHAEL, WE WATCHED HIM TURN, WE
MICHAEL, WE WATCHED HIM TURN, WE WATCHED HIM ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY
WATCHED HIM ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY NO, I NEED TO HELP MYSELF, HELP
NO, I NEED TO HELP MYSELF, HELP MY FAMILY, MY COUNTRY.
MY FAMILY, MY COUNTRY. MICHAEL TODAY AS I SPOKE TO HIM
MICHAEL TODAY AS I SPOKE TO HIM SOUNDED DIFFERENT THAN I HAVE
SOUNDED DIFFERENT THAN I HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM THE LAST TWO
SPOKEN TO HIM THE LAST TWO YEARS.
YEARS. HE FINALLY FEELS THAT HE IS KIND
HE FINALLY FEELS THAT HE IS KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE NOW.
OF ON THE OTHER SIDE NOW. YES, HE MADE MISTAKES, YES, HE
YES, HE MADE MISTAKES, YES, HE IS GOING TO PAY FOR THEM.
IS GOING TO PAY FOR THEM. BUT GOING FROM BEING SEEN AS A
BUT GOING FROM BEING SEEN AS A BAD GUY TO MAYBE A GUY TRYING TO
BAD GUY TO MAYBE A GUY TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, MAYBE NOT A
DO THE RIGHT THING, MAYBE NOT A BAD GUY, A GOOD GUY, AND HE
BAD GUY, A GOOD GUY, AND HE KNOWS HE MADE MISTAKES.
KNOWS HE MADE MISTAKES. >> ARE YOU SAYING THAT MICHAEL
>> ARE YOU SAYING THAT MICHAEL COHEN CONVEYED HE IS PROUD OF
COHEN CONVEYED HE IS PROUD OF THIS CHAPTER?
THIS CHAPTER? >> HE IS BEYOND PROUD OF THIS
>> HE IS BEYOND PROUD OF THIS CHAPTER.
CHAPTER. HE FEELS HE HAS DONE THE RIGHT
HE FEELS HE HAS DONE THE RIGHT THING, FEELS HE WILL BE THE
THING, FEELS HE WILL BE THE LINCHPIN, AND OBVIOUSLY SO DOES
LINCHPIN, AND OBVIOUSLY SO DOES ROBERT MUELLER.
ROBERT MUELLER. YOU THINK OF THE SENTENCE, HE
YOU THINK OF THE SENTENCE, HE GOT A SIX MONTH SENTENCE
GOT A SIX MONTH SENTENCE CONCURRENTLY.
CONCURRENTLY. HE GOT NOTHING.
HE GOT NOTHING. HE PLED TO LYING TO CONGRESS AND
HE PLED TO LYING TO CONGRESS AND BOB MUELLER BASICALLY GAVE HIM
BOB MUELLER BASICALLY GAVE HIM NO PENALTY.
NO PENALTY. SO WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU?
SO WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU? IT SAYS THAT BOB MUELLER KNOWS
IT SAYS THAT BOB MUELLER KNOWS HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS.
HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS. WHEN MICHAEL COHEN IS SENTENCED
WHEN MICHAEL COHEN IS SENTENCED DECEMBER 12th FOR THESE THINGS
DECEMBER 12th FOR THESE THINGS TOGETHER, YOU WILL HEAR THE
TOGETHER, YOU WILL HEAR THE JUDGE READ A LETTER ABOUT HOW HE
JUDGE READ A LETTER ABOUT HOW HE COOPERATED AND THE WAY HE
COOPERATED AND THE WAY HE COOPERATED.
COOPERATED. PEOPLE IN COURT TODAY SAW HOW HE
PEOPLE IN COURT TODAY SAW HOW HE WAS RELATING WITH THE
WAS RELATING WITH THE PROSECUTORS AND PRESS, IT WAS A
PROSECUTORS AND PRESS, IT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT MICHAEL COHEN
VERY DIFFERENT MICHAEL COHEN THAN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
THAN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. MICHAEL COHEN IS ON THIS TEAM,
MICHAEL COHEN IS ON THIS TEAM, HE IS ON THE BLUE TEAM AND ON
HE IS ON THE BLUE TEAM AND ON THE RIGHT TEAM.
THE RIGHT TEAM. >> WONDER IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR
>> WONDER IF YOU CAN GIVE YOUR VIEW OF HIS THEORY OF THE CASE
VIEW OF HIS THEORY OF THE CASE WHICH IS THAT THE MONEY IS THE
WHICH IS THAT THE MONEY IS THE PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. HE OUTLINED A VISION WHERE THE
HE OUTLINED A VISION WHERE THE LEGAL PROCESS COULD BE PICKING
LEGAL PROCESS COULD BE PICKING APART DONALD TRUMP’S ENTIRE
APART DONALD TRUMP’S ENTIRE FORTUNE, IF THERE IS A FORTUNE,
FORTUNE, IF THERE IS A FORTUNE, OR DEBT.
OR DEBT. AND SPRINKLE IN A LITTLE OF
AND SPRINKLE IN A LITTLE OF DITTY AND BIGGIE, HE SEEMED TO
DITTY AND BIGGIE, HE SEEMED TO SAY WE HAVE GONE FROM MORE
SAY WE HAVE GONE FROM MORE MONEY, MORE PROBLEMS TO MORE
MONEY, MORE PROBLEMS TO MORE MUELLER, MORE PROBLEMS.
MUELLER, MORE PROBLEMS. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING
>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING KENDRICK LAMAR AND MICHAEL COHEN
KENDRICK LAMAR AND MICHAEL COHEN IS GOING YOU’RE DEAD TO ME.
IS GOING YOU’RE DEAD TO ME. I CAN GO WITH YOU, ARI.
I CAN GO WITH YOU, ARI. >> WE CAN GO KENDRICK, SAY HE IS
>> WE CAN GO KENDRICK, SAY HE IS TELLING JEROME CORSI, BE HUMBLE,
TELLING JEROME CORSI, BE HUMBLE, SIT DOWN.
SIT DOWN. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. GO AHEAD.
GO AHEAD. WE COULD DO THIS ALL NIGHT.
WE COULD DO THIS ALL NIGHT. >> YES, WE COULD, BUT WE WON’T
>> YES, WE COULD, BUT WE WON’T HAVE TIME.
HAVE TIME. LATER, CHRISTMAS PARTY.
LATER, CHRISTMAS PARTY. IF WE -- I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH
IF WE -- I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH DONNY IN THE SENSE THAT THE
DONNY IN THE SENSE THAT THE MONEY IS A CRITICAL PART OF THE
MONEY IS A CRITICAL PART OF THE STORY.
STORY. I HAVE NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
I HAVE NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THAT WITH
WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THAT WITH THE NEWS THAT’S BROKEN TODAY.
THE NEWS THAT’S BROKEN TODAY. I WILL SAY IF THERE’S A FAMILY
I WILL SAY IF THERE’S A FAMILY AND IT IS A CRIME FAMILY THAT
AND IT IS A CRIME FAMILY THAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS PART OF THAT,
MICHAEL COHEN WAS PART OF THAT, AND WHAT HE HAS BEEN DONE IS
AND WHAT HE HAS BEEN DONE IS WISER THAN PAUL MANAFORT AND
WISER THAN PAUL MANAFORT AND RECOGNIZE THAT HE IS A LOT
RECOGNIZE THAT HE IS A LOT BETTER OFF GETTING A DIVORCE
BETTER OFF GETTING A DIVORCE THAN HE IS GOING DOWN.
THAN HE IS GOING DOWN. I THINK HE MADE THE RIGHT
I THINK HE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION CERTAINLY, BUT I THINK
DECISION CERTAINLY, BUT I THINK HE MADE IT FOR SELF AND FAMILY,
HE MADE IT FOR SELF AND FAMILY, PERSONAL FAMILY INSTEAD OF THE
PERSONAL FAMILY INSTEAD OF THE CRIME FAMILY.
CRIME FAMILY. >> DONNY, I AM OVER TIME, AND
>> DONNY, I AM OVER TIME, AND THAT’S PARTLY MY FAULT FROM
THAT’S PARTLY MY FAULT FROM THE ’90s RAP REFERENCES.
THE ’90s RAP REFERENCES. I BRING YOU THE FINAL WORD.
I BRING YOU THE FINAL WORD. >> CAN I BRING UP AN ABBA
>> CAN I BRING UP AN ABBA REFERENCE?
REFERENCE? >> ALL VIEWS.
>> ALL VIEWS. >> OUT OF RESPECT TO THE
>> OUT OF RESPECT TO THE REFERENCE OF HIP-HOP, I’M NOT
REFERENCE OF HIP-HOP, I’M NOT BRINGING DISCO OR ABBA IN IT.
BRINGING DISCO OR ABBA IN IT. >> I LIKE ABBA.
>> I LIKE ABBA. >> YOUR THOUGHT WHERE COHEN GOES
>> YOUR THOUGHT WHERE COHEN GOES FROM HERE?
FROM HERE? >> I THINK COHEN YOU’LL SEE
>> I THINK COHEN YOU’LL SEE RELATIVELY LIGHT SENTENCE
RELATIVELY LIGHT SENTENCE DECEMBER 12th, BASED ON
DECEMBER 12th, BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BOB
RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BOB MUELLER, AND I THINK COHEN AS
MUELLER, AND I THINK COHEN AS MORE COMES OUT, HE WILL BE
MORE COMES OUT, HE WILL BE PIVOTAL AS THE GUY THERE FRONT
PIVOTAL AS THE GUY THERE FRONT AND CENTER TEN YEARS WITH HIS
AND CENTER TEN YEARS WITH HIS BUSINESS ENTERPRISE, CRIMINAL
BUSINESS ENTERPRISE, CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, WITH HIS CRIMINAL
ENTERPRISE, WITH HIS CRIMINAL FAMILY.
FAMILY. YOU’RE GOING TO SEE MICHAEL BE A
