

### Spirit Relationships:

### The Loving Use Of Mediumship

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller) &

### Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck)

### Sessions 1-2

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### This ebook is a transcript of two seminars delivered by Jesus (AJ Miller) on 7th and 12th April 2012 in Kyabra, New South Wales, Australia. In the first seminar Jesus describes the loving purposes of communicating with spirits, how to develop a pure desire for mediumship, and he conducts a mediumship session with Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck) and Peter Lytton-Hitchins, who channel their spirit guides, Rachel, Timothy and Angelo. In the second seminar Jesus and Mary discuss the regular mediumship meetings that occur at Kyabra.

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Table of Contents

### The Loving Use Of Mediumship: Session 1 Part 1

1. Introduction

2. Channelling of a Celestial spirit named Angelo

2.1. Angelo's life while on Earth in the 17th Century

2.2. Angelo's passing into the spirit world

2.3. Angelo's life while on Earth (continued)

2.4. Angelo's passing into the spirit world (continued)

2.5. Progressing in love in the spirit world

2.5.1. The first sphere

2.5.2. The second sphere

2.5.3. The third sphere

2.5.4. Discovering God and God's Laws

2.5.5. Entering the Celestial spheres of the spirit world

2.6. Angelo's life since entering in the Celestial spheres

3. Audience questions for Angelo

3.1. Experiencing pain when discovering God's Truth before at-onement

3.2. Discovering God's Truth after at-onement

3.3. Having a pure desire for God's Truth

4. Inaccuracies conveyed during mediumship

4.1. Intermediaries during channelling of spirits

4.2. Inaccuracies during Angelo's channelling

4.3. Experiencing emotions while channelling Celestial spirits

4.4. Inaccuracies during Angelo's channelling (continued)

4.5. The emotional openness of mediums

4.6. Determining the authenticity of channellings

4.7. Attracting higher spirits to channel

4.7.1. Celestial spirits honour free will

4.8. Maintaining a rapport with higher spirits

5. Channelling of the Celestial spirits Rachel and Timothy

5.1. Rachel and Timothy's life on Earth in the first century

### The Loving Use of Mediumship: Session 1 Part 2

6. Rachel and Timothy's life on Earth in the first century (continued)

7. The use of mediumship to transmit new truths to Earth

7.1. The history of mediumship

7.2. The role of mediumship in cycles of progression and degradation on the Earth

7.3. Religious restraints upon mediumship

7.4. Cycles of progression and degradation on the Earth

7.5. Witches and mediumship

7.6. Mediumship during the Reformation

7.7. Mediumship and innovation on Earth

7.7.1. An example of Nikola Tesla

7.7.2. Examples of using innovative ideas in unloving directions

8. Mediumship from the perspective of Celestial spirits

8.1. Colours of energy emanating from mediums that are visible to spirits

8.2. Smells associated with different soul conditions

8.3. The experience of visiting the hells from a Celestial spirit's perspective

8.4. An example of mediumship nights held by the group

9. Developing a pure desire for mediumship

9.1. Developing a pure desire to be of service

9.1.1. An example of people serving at AJ and Mary's events

9.2. The importance of a pure desire and humility for mediumship

9.3. Developing a pure desire to be of service (continued)

9.3.1. An example of serving through music

9.3.2. An example of serving through mediumship

9.4. The importance of a pure desire and humility for mediumship (continued)

9.4.1. An example of a participant angry with her great-grandfather

9.5. The issue of anger with spirits we attract

9.5.1. An example of a participant who is denying her anger and who is alone

10. Connecting with our spirit guides

10.1. An example of a participant afraid to trust her guide

11. Audience questions

11.1. An example of a participant who wants her children to not blame her

11.2. Having compassion for spirits' soul injuries

11.2.1. The importance of being self-reflective

11.3. The benefit of having spirits with us all the time

12. Connecting with our spirit guides (continued)

13. Closing words

### The Loving Use of Mediumship: Session 2 Part 1

14. Discussion about the regular mediumship sessions in Kyabra

14.1. Spirits attracted to the mediumship sessions

14.2. Dynamics within the mediumship sessions

14.3. An illustration of agreeing with spirits' emotional injuries

14.4. Dynamics within the mediumship sessions (continued)

14.5. An illustration of the lack of humility and gender inequality at the sessions

14.6. An example of a loving medium

14.7. Dynamics within the mediumship sessions (continued)

14.8. An example of a participant feeling pressured at the sessions

14.9. An illustration of the sessions becoming formulaic

14.10. An illustration of not loving the spirits

14.11. Mediumship performed alone versus in a group setting

14.12. Effectively assisting spirits

14.13. The purpose of the mediumship team

14.14. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions

14.14.1. The feedback from Peter's Celestial guide, Angelo

14.14.2. Other Celestial spirits' feedback

14.15. An example of feeling heavy at the sessions

14.16. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions (continued)

14.17. An example of Mary stopping mediumship when emotionally challenged

14.18. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions (continued)

14.18.1. Examples of self-righteous behaviour

14.18.2. Examples of condescension towards spirits

14.19. Commiserating vs. having compassion for the spirits

14.20. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions (continued)

14.20.1. Examples of arrogance

### The Loving Use of Mediumship: Session 2 Part 2

15. Discussion about the regular mediumship sessions in Kyabra

15.1. Examples of arrogance (continued)

15.1.1. An example of analysing others' emotions

15.2. Self-reflection during mediumship

15.3. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions (continued)

15.3.1. Selfishness during mediumship

15.3.2. Lack of gratitude for truth and love

15.3.3. A desire to dismiss attacking or angry spirits

15.3.4. Using mediumship to correct others rather than helping people correct themselves

15.3.5. Selfishness during mediumship (continued)

15.4. An example of using mediumship to gain information about others and avoid emotions

15.4.1. Refining mediumship by stopping addictions and becoming more humble

15.5. Focusing on a relationship with God first to refine mediumship

15.6. Common emotions in women at the mediumship sessions

16. Common emotional injuries in homosexual people

17. Closing words

17.1. Developing faith in the ability to change

17.2. Developing love for others

17.3. Becoming perfect as God created us to be

The Loving Use Of Mediumship: Session 1 Part 1

1. Introduction

The topic of today's talk is "The Loving Use of Mediumship." Instead of just giving you a talk about it, we're going to handle it a bit differently. The reason Peter and Mary are up here with me is that Peter is going to channel a spirit. The spirit's name is Angelo, whom some of you have already met. Angelo is going to give you a bit of background about himself and let you get to know him a little. Then Mary is going to channel two spirits who are a soulmate couple in the spirit world. Their names are Rachel and Timothy and they used to be with us in the first century; they'll give you a bit of background about themselves.

Firstly we want to get to know the spirits that we're speaking to. You can ask them some questions during this process if you wish. There will actually be four people speaking to you about the subject of the loving use of mediumship. Angelo will be speaking to you about it, and for Mary there will be Timothy and Rachel speaking to you about it, and then I'll add my two bobs' worth occasionally as well.

Mary: And Peter and Mary are a bit nervous about getting out of the way. (Laughs)

Peter: Do you mind sharing some of the stuff that I've got with Angelo because I think that's quite appropriate for everyone who's experienced Angelo?

Certainly. We've attempted to talk to Peter about truly reflecting Angelo's personality to you because Angelo is actually a flamboyant Italian and Peter is not a flamboyant Italian, as you know, (laughter) so it is difficult for Peter to reflect the actual personality of the spirit Angelo. We've tried to encourage Peter to allow himself to be the flamboyant Italian that he's going to be channelling.

Peter: I'm wearing white; that's Angelo's favourite colour so that's a start. (Laughter)

That's a start. A problem many people who come from natural love encounter with regard to channelling is that the natural love spirits often have an imposition that they place upon people who channel them. The imposition they place is that you've got to honour them all the time and you've got to put them in a bit of a higher position than yourself. Historically Peter's family, the Lytton-Hitchins, who can all channel, have all had this tendency to put the spirit into a higher position and then to become a little rigid...

Mary: Formal.

... and formal with regard to the channelling that those spirits do.

Now while that might be suitable for a person who's on the Natural Love Path and who believes himself to be higher than you, the people on the Divine Love Path, and particularly the ones who become Celestial spirits, don't believe themselves to be higher than you. They feel that they're your brothers and sisters and they try to be themselves. So perhaps while it's okay to channel natural love spirits in that formal way, often spirits on the Divine Love Path want you to be more informal and realistic.

We've asked Peter to just allow himself to relax and be this flamboyant Italian (laughter); to allow himself to relax the formality. Mary and Peter have often had difficulties channelling information that is related to specific things that could affect your life, where you might make a choice or a decision and then go down a different path; they are sometimes very worried about channelling something that might cause you to then change your life around.

There's sometimes also the emotion that they are a little afraid of making you angry, whereas our Celestial spirit friends are not afraid of making you angry at all. Because of that fear there's sometimes some resistance to being more open about the truth, and for Mary there are often emotions related to her own life with the spirits. Her life with the spirits, our life with the spirits in the first century, was quite close, and we know them well. There's quite a lot of emotion that Mary has yet to release about our experiences with those particular people, and sometimes she gets a bit teary when they start speaking about their lives and about our involvement in their lives. That, of course, causes the communication to suffer a little in terms of its accuracy. [00:10:01.16]

Last night we talked together about these things and tried to address some of the emotions so that today we could have a fairly open discussion with you, the three spirits and myself about the loving use of mediumship.

Mary: There's also one other thing that affects me a lot when channelling my guides, and I'm sure it's relevant for a lot of you, and that is the amount of love that they have for each of us. Often I find that's very emotional to open up to, receiving that amount of love. It triggers a lot of grief in me, so that's another thing that comes up for me, but I feel it is also relevant for you guys.

Peter: After our conversation last night, the first thing I said to Angelo this morning was, "Angelo, you're going to give me the heads up here? What are we going to talk about today?" I'm wanting the details and Angelo's like, "You don't need to know anything." (Laughter)

Mary: Rachel did exactly the same thing with me. She said, "You don't need to prepare. It's my story." I said, "Could you just tell me the details?"

Peter: It's like a game of football. You get all stressed. It needs to be just another day. I still have all these fears that come up about accuracy and about the intent and stuff like that.

The only one sitting here that needs to be worried about what he's saying is myself (laughter) because I'm not channelling anybody (laughter) and the two next to me need to just stay in the space of accurately channelling the information as best they are able. That's what we're hoping to do today.

Now in that process we're also hoping that you can start to see the character and nature of the spirits that surround us at different times. These three spirits are all Celestial spirits, so hopefully we will be able to demonstrate to you to a larger degree the true character and nature of a Celestial spirit rather than feeling formal and worried about what's really going on with our spirit friends.

Firstly, we want to introduce you to them in a manner where they tell a bit of their story about their life, when they lived on Earth, what happened to them while they were living on Earth, when they died, what happened to them when they passed, when they arrived in the spirit world, how they felt, what happened to them during their development in the spirit world, and when they met their soulmates, so that you get a bit of a picture about their life and also about their character.

During this process feel free to ask them questions about their life. Don't be afraid to ask questions. Okay, who do you want to start with first? Would you like to know Angelo more? Or would you like to know Rachel and Timothy first?

Participants: Angelo.

So away we go. (Laughter)

2. Channelling of a Celestial spirit named Angelo

Peter/Angelo: Finally, finally it's taken a while. Bon journo anyway. (Laughs)

Bon journo. (Laughs)

2.1. Angelo's life while on Earth in the 17th Century

Peter/Angelo: My life was very ordinary. You see Celestials as having grandeur in their lives. My life on Earth was very simple. My father was a fisherman, and you were either a boy or a man, there was no in-between. I was with my mother until I was five years old and then I was a man with my father. He fished, and any of you who have been fishing smell of fish, smell of fish - I did not like the smell of fish. (Laughter)

One day in my village I saw the most grand boat I had ever seen. I was fifteen and this boat was a merchant boat. It had beautiful smells. This man knows beautiful smells, smells that I had never smelt before, and they certainly weren't fish. So I say to my father, "My time of fishing is done, no more fishing, I am done." My mother, she was just a mother, she fed us and looked after us; that's how we saw our mothers, we didn't see them any other way. We had to become men as soon as possible. So I just said goodbye to my mother, I am going on this boat.

This name of the man who was the captain of the boat was Roberto, and Roberto was the first father I had ever had. For the next five years he took me all around the Mediterranean Sea. We traded here and we traded there but what I remember most about Roberto is that he taught me about stars, and he taught me how to feel the ocean. These days a captain does not know how to feel the ocean. It was 1626 when I was born, so 1636 when I first really started learning the sea. By 1640 it was very dangerous times in the Mediterranean Sea. Roberto was a true seaman, a true captain; he went where no other boats went, he understood the coral reef, he understood when it was going to rain. But he taught me the stars and I think the stars were the most beautiful thing he taught me. [00:16:50.24]

Then just when I felt my life was perfect and that this was always going to be the way, one morning I went into his cabin. Here was a man who I saw as my father, and he was the most ugly sight I'd ever seen. I had never seen a dead person before. His jaw was open, his eyes were wide open, and I did not know what to do. He was the first man I loved and I didn't know how to cry, so it was the most difficult but one of the most important times in my life. I remember grabbing a sheet and wrapping up this dead thing who had once been so much to me, and I could not work out how the feelings I had for this man were no longer in this thing before me. It took me another five years to shed a tear for the greatest friend I ever had on Earth.

His Will was read on the boat and it said, "This boat and all his belongings now belong to Angelo Rembardi." Then suddenly a man clapped me on the shoulder and said, "Well done, son," and I said, "What do you mean?" And he said, "This is all yours." I was horrified. Roberto had given me his boat and all his possessions.

For the next five years I was terrified. Instead of trading large quantities, we traded little routes; I did little short trips, no big trips, and then one day we were near Morocco and I was in trouble. I had a man come up to me and say, "One of our Portuguese boats has gone down and we need your boat." This was no ordinary man; he was not asking me, he was telling me. And I said, "So what are we doing?" He said, "You do not need to know, all you need to do is follow those three boats over there and you have an order to supply, and you will be paid more money than you've ever been paid." The amount was about one year's work for a few months.

We arrived at the port and I still had no idea, but suddenly it dawned upon me when I saw all these men in chains. One after the other, they were chained at the hands and chained at the feet, and some of them even had neck collars going from one to the other. Their eyes; I always remember their eyes. Three hundred and twenty-six came on my boat where normally only ten men used to live; three hundred and twenty-six slaves were now on my boat. We had to sail for two and a half months. The smell was... well you know how I didn't like fish smell? This smell was so much different.

I remember there was this one man who came on the boat, and this is probably one of the most important parts of my whole life but I did not know at the time. He came on the boat and he had scabs on his feet and his hands and his neck and especially on his chest. They were like big welts, pussy welts. I had nowhere to put this man so I put him on my bed; that was the only place that I felt was okay. I couldn't put him in my men's quarters. From that moment onwards he stayed in my quarters and we treated him the best we could, but it wasn't very good. When we finally got to our destination this man was walked off the boat with all the rest. I did not even know his name.

Then I arrived home to my wife. I had only been married for a short time. It was the one and only time that I ever cried on Earth. I cried and promised myself that I would never jump on a boat again, and from that moment onwards I no longer sailed the seas. From that moment on, the rest of my life was very ordinary. But the most important part of this story is when I passed. Who do you think was the first person I saw when I passed? This slave who had been on my bed was the man who introduced me to my new life. He is even more beautiful now than he was then. That's my introduction. [00:23:46.23]

Shall we ask the audience whether they'd like to ask you some questions? What would you like to ask Angelo?

2.2. Angelo's passing into the spirit world

Participant: In what condition did you pass in when you died?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I was an ordinary man who did ordinary things so my condition was not bright, but it was not dark. When I went, I could feel my body and I knew that I had moved from Earth to another place, so I was never Earth-bound. Then when I arrived, I was in a state of curiosity about what this place was like. I was not a religious man. Back then when you were sailing a boat you saw so many people who believed in God who didn't survive the sea, so my curiosity was more after factual information. When my body arrived in the spirit world I would be in what you would call the first sphere. I was open but I had not been loving to my wife, I had not cared for many things. I certainly didn't understand many things.

Mary: I wonder what changed for you after you entered the spirit world? Obviously now you have a strong desire for God, what changed for you?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I blamed things that happened in my life on those around me rather than realising that it was my opportunity to do whatever I wanted to do. When I was a child I felt that I had to be a fisherman, then when I realised I didn't have to be a fisherman, that was the first time in my life on Earth that there was a change. When I got to the spirit world my greatest opportunity was the first time I met this slave who had been with me because he showed me that there was compassion and love in the spirit world. I was not expecting that. Asking how he could love after what had happened to him was the beginning of my journey. He had so much love for me, and I felt I hadn't done enough to help him. He had died three days after he arrived at shore after being on my boat, and yet when I arrived in the spirit world he was there as the most gracious friend I had ever met.

Participant: Hey Angelo, it's nice to see you without Peter in the way.

Peter/Angelo: I just told him to relax.

2.3. Angelo's life while on Earth (continued)

Participant: Sorry, Peter. (Laughs) I've been wondering about this whole process of doing things, like what you felt you had to do, carrying all those slaves, and a part of you obviously knew it was wrong and a part of you felt that you had to go along with it.

Peter/Angelo: Well, it's not like I had to go along with it. The question I have for all of you is about this word "death," and I've been talking to Peter a lot about this word. There is a belief that there's a separation between this life and the next life. If I had arrived at that point and this man had said to me, "You are carrying slaves on your boat," and if I had realised in that moment that if I said, "No," I would not die, I probably would have said "No." In that state we're simply going from one place to another, our journey does not stop. I know that now.

What you're saying is that had you realised that you could have just said, "No," and he probably would have murdered you?

Peter/Angelo: He would have killed me, but that would have been okay.

Yeah.

Peter/Angelo: And I would have been in a second or third sphere space when I went.

Participant: So I guess you could really feel the impact it had on your soul to go along with it.

Peter/Angelo: We feel that we can't make choices when we live on Earth, and this is one of the greatest false beliefs that many of you have, that you can't make the choice. You are constantly making a choice every second of every day, and it's your choice regardless of who influences that choice. It's your choice just like it was my choice.

If you made a choice to honour the truth and to honour love, you might have passed immediately, but you would have passed into a far better condition - but you made the choice because you feared death? [00:30:00.22]

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

You made a different choice and then, of course, when you did eventually pass, you passed into a worse condition.

Peter/Angelo: And this fear of death went through my whole life, because we make decisions from that moment onwards related to that choice. I used to love sailing boats, I used to love being on the water. I sacrificed that for the next twenty-six years of my life just because of one decision I had made.

So it was guilt about the decision you had made?

Peter/Angelo: Correct. And as a man you do not cry. That is very false isn't it?

Participant: Yeah, definitely.

Peter/Angelo: If I had cried, it would have changed many things. Just crying and sharing with my wife meant that we could have lived a friendship life from that moment onwards rather than a hateful, angry life.

2.4. Angelo's passing into the spirit world (continued)

So Angelo, after you entered the spirit world, your old friend who treated you like his long-lost brother obviously mentored you. He helped you come to terms with life in the spirit world. Obviously he was connected to God and this had a great influence on you.

Peter/Angelo: You could just see his face and know he was connected to something that I was not. He didn't even mention the word God in our initial conversation.

Yeah. What happened in that initial phase once you got to know him? You were inquisitive; you asked questions, what were the kinds of questions you asked?

Peter/Angelo: The first question I asked him was how could he love me?

Because you didn't do enough to help him.

Peter/Angelo: I didn't do anything to help him, otherwise I would have kept him on my boat and I wouldn't have let him go ashore. So I asked how he could love after what had happened to him.

And what did he say in return?

Peter/Angelo: He simply said that they did not understand what they were doing, they did not understood that love is stronger than pain and revenge and control, and that the reason they did what they did is that they were terrified in themselves. You see, even the fact that they had them in chains shows that they were terrified of these men. He actually saw initially that we were the weak ones rather than himself.

2.5. Progressing in love in the spirit world

So after you arrived in the spirit world, you were reintroduced to love.

Peter/Angelo: We had to start at the beginning.

2.5.1. The first sphere

How long did it take you to come to terms with some of the things about love? Was it just a simple matter of going, "Oh yeah, I realised I was out of harmony with love there and let's move on"? What actually happened? [00:33:33.08]

Peter/Angelo: As an Italian man there were certain things that were very easy, but when it came to a woman and how I treated women generally, that took a long time.

When you say a long time, could you compare it to Earth time?

Peter/Angelo: It took thirty-six of your years for me to just open up to how I had treated women in my life, whereas I already had this guilt and shame around certain things that I had done in my life, and that didn't take more than a couple of years.

Because they were things you already knew that you'd done wrong?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

Whereas the women relationship, you didn't know that you'd done anything wrong.

Peter/Angelo: No. You see, even how I was married - I didn't choose my wife, so to speak. It's strange because it wasn't an arranged marriage, but it was. I was a seaman. I was very rarely on land, and my parents basically said to me, "This will be your wife."

After you had dealt with the women issue in the spirit world, what did you start to notice then?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I noticed within my body, my spirit and soul, that there was a caring that I hadn't had before. We see love as love, but there was a part of myself that had never actually wanted to love someone of the opposite sex as an equal, as someone that I want to embrace and share with.

Was that the time you entered the second sphere?

Peter/Angelo: No, I still stayed in the first sphere. It was one hundred and twenty-six years before I arrived in the second sphere.

Right. So it took you one hundred and twenty-six years to go through the lessons of the first sphere.

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and within the first sphere, as I went through the lessons I was able to discover more things in the first sphere, and every now and then I was given the opportunity to see what happens in the second and third sphere, but I was not able to stay in those places.

When you say you were given the opportunity, spirits lent you the power to visit those places? [00:36:12.19]

Peter/Angelo: They showed me; I was able to go and visit.

And that then increased your desire to...

Peter/Angelo: It was like knowing that the more I open myself up, the more I am going to learn about myself. I never went to school and the spirit world is such a discovery!

Pretty big school.

Peter/Angelo: It's so exciting to be able to learn all these things that I didn't know about when I lived, so I stayed in the second sphere a long time.

2.5.2. The second sphere

So you basically arrived in the second sphere in what it would have been about late 1700's would it be, in our time? And then you stayed in the second sphere...

Peter/Angelo: For another hundred years.

A hundred years there too.

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

What kinds of things did you learn about there?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I was fascinated about the Earth, and in the second sphere you have libraries all around you. One of the things that happens in the spirit world is that the second sphere can become too comfortable for you. You can lose desire to want to discover more. You're not in any pain; I was not in any pain, my body felt good, I felt okay and while I was there I didn't need to keep looking at these emotions that I had as far as wanting to discover a soulmate or even open myself up to the possibility.

So you became very involved in intellectual pursuits?

Peter/Angelo: All intellectual, yes, and that's why I had to stay there so long.

What caused you then to get out of that?

Peter/Angelo: My mother.

Your mother. What effect did she have?

Peter/Angelo: She came to me one day and said, "Angelo, you're a nice boy."

And you said, "I know that, Mum"? (Laughter)

Peter/Angelo: I'd been in the spirit world a long time at this stage and she's still calling me a boy. (Laughter)

It's a bit rough, isn't it?

Peter/Angelo: A bit rough. And she said, "Angelo, you always wanted to become a man. If you want to become a man, it's time you let go of some of these beliefs that you have."

And what beliefs were those?

Peter/Angelo: Starting with the fact that women aren't here to serve you. (Laughter)

Yes, that's a fairly big belief you would have had.

Peter/Angelo: And she said, "If you open yourself to the possibility with friendship, this will start a new journey that you can't even imagine." From that point onwards I started interacting with women in the spirit world, something which I had not even done before that point.

Did you even see many women before then?

Peter/Angelo: No, I had no desire.

So you started interacting with women, and what did you learn through that process?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I learned through that process that when you're with a woman in the spirit world, you see things with the woman, and I can see that I didn't have a match with the women I was with.

You had basically a series of relationships? Was that how it worked out? [00:39:42.04]

Peter/Angelo: To start with, yes.

But with every relationship there was a degree of dissatisfaction?

Peter/Angelo: Correct. There was no holding of the love. It was like a short desire that was fulfilled and then gone.

2.5.3. The third sphere

What then caused you to move into the third sphere?

Peter/Angelo: When I opened up in my heart and I started to look at where things went, there was a cord that I was able to follow into the third sphere.

A cord?

Peter/Angelo: A cord.

You opened up your heart and then you noticed a cord linking your heart to something else?

Peter/Angelo: It was a lady in the third sphere. (Laughter)

Right. (Laughter) It's always a woman that leads you...

Peter/Angelo: But did you notice that she was in the third sphere before I was? (Laughter)

Yes, yes, yes. So she had obviously opened up her heart?

Peter/Angelo: She had.

She had.

Peter/Angelo: She'd opened her heart up to me, and she'd known about me for about two hundred years.

So for two hundred years she had opened her heart to you without your responding? [00:40:58.20]

Peter/Angelo: Yes, without my responding.

What was her name?

Peter/Angelo: Gloria, we'll call her Gloria.

We'll call her Gloria, okay. So you sort of felt the draw from Gloria into the third dimension.

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

In that process what happened? You opened your heart and that would have meant you then became a lot more emotional, is that how it happened?

Peter/Angelo: I opened my heart and then I went straight back to the first sphere.

Okay. (Laughter) And what did you have to learn in the first sphere?

Peter/Angelo: There was a lot of grief.

Yeah, a lot of crying that you had to connect with?

Peter/Angelo: Yes

So you connected with the tears and cried...

Peter/Angelo: And then I went straight back to the third sphere.

It went like a yoyo for a while like that?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

Back and forward between the second and first spheres and the third sphere?

Peter/Angelo: It would be like we were in conversation and then I'd suddenly be somewhere else. (Laughter)

It's like you jumping over to somewhere else in another part of the world all of a sudden?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

And wondering why you're there?

Peter/Angelo: It was pointed out to me many times. (Laughs)

And then once you released that emotion you went back to...

Peter/Angelo: Well, every time you release that emotion, when you go back to your other half, it's stronger.

So you had a stronger connection? [00:42:26.25]

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and you discover other things that you did not know before, so every time I released something I saw more.

And therefore had more understanding. You entered the third sphere about what time of our time here on Earth?

Peter/Angelo: 1830.

1830, so we're now talking a couple of hundred years after you passed - is that right? When did you pass?

Peter/Angelo: I passed in 1662.

Right, so about one hundred and eighty years after you passed, you entered the third sphere.

Peter/Angelo: And when I entered the third sphere, I was going backwards and forwards.

Sort of jumping back and forward depending on what emotions you had to deal with at the time?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

2.5.4. Discovering God and God's Laws

What happened after that? What caused you to discover God?

Peter/Angelo: Well, I knew there had to be something that was doing this because it wasn't me and it certainly wasn't my partner, and that's when I met someone who was able to share the Laws of God with me.

Did your soulmate know those laws?

Peter/Angelo: No. She did not.

She hadn't learned them either?

Peter/Angelo: No, and when we listened, to start with there was no mention of God, simply the laws that operate in the spirit world.

So you started to learn about what law caused you to jump back to the first sphere when you had an emotion.

Peter/Angelo: Correct. Yes.

And laws about the heart; you started to learn some of the laws about the emotions? [00:44:15.01]

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and it was very important for my own opening that I did not know about God first.

Why was that? What do you think would have happened there if you had known?

Peter/Angelo: If I'd just gone straight into a desire to connect to God, I would have left out big parts of myself that needed to be addressed first.

Right, so you would have probably tried to intellectualise your connection with God.

Peter/Angelo: I would have stayed in the sixth sphere for a long time, yes. By allowing myself to look at how I love myself and that what was happening around me was because of my interactions was very important.

When you started to be introduced to God's Laws, what effect did that have on you?

Peter/Angelo: I got so excited. It was a relief, and I actually just prayed about that for a long time. It was such a relief because many of you have a feeling every now and then that comes over you as if someone's there for you, but you can't be brave enough or you're not brave enough in that moment to want to discover who that is. I got that braveness in that time.

2.5.5. Entering the Celestial spheres of the spirit world

So we're now talking about the mid 1800's in terms of Earth time. We're a couple of hundred years now since you were on Earth. What happened after that? Was it a slow process? [00:45:57.12]

Peter/Angelo: No, it was very fast.

Very fast from then on.

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

Did you find yourself flicking back, dealing with an emotion, moving forward, each time now?

Peter/Angelo: That still happens now. Now I spend a large part of my time in the fifteenth sphere, but I regularly go back to the thirteenth and twelfth sphere, and that's mainly because my lady is there. Gloria is in the twelfth, thirteenth sphere.

She took a bit longer to discover God's Laws, did she, and therefore have an interest in God? Or what happened there?

Peter/Angelo: Her block even now is that she sees God as being responsible for injustice. She finds that even now and it's the one thing that she's continuing to work on.

If she is in the thirteenth sphere, then surely she's at-one with God, so how could she see God as a source of injustice?

Peter/Angelo: Well, she sees the Earth and what happens here, and she finds it confusing why we continue on Earth to do what is happening - this lack of love on Earth.

So she can see the love in the spirit world...

Peter/Angelo: But she can't see love on Earth.

There's a bit of emotional confusion about the Earth and what's going on, on the Earth?

Peter/Angelo: Correct.

And why it seems to be different.

Peter/Angelo: Yes, that is where she's discovering parts of God. We're taught the laws simplistically, and then you have an opportunity to actually understand what is in the laws, so to speak.

A lot of the people here on Earth wouldn't understand that a lot of the truths they are being presented are not truths that you are presented in the spirit world until your development is quite advanced.

Peter/Angelo: Well, in the spirit world you generally don't want to know.

Because you're reflecting your real feelings rather than just what your thoughts are. [00:48:22.04]

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and especially in the lower spheres. Most in the lower spheres have this belief of injustice, wondering how this could be happening to them. What did they do wrong to be in the place that they are? And most aren't open to hearing the answer.

I suppose we're now mid 1800's \- there's quite a bit of time between mid 1800's and 2000 from our perspective, at least here on Earth, so what happened during that time? You had quite rapid progress; when did you actually become at-one with God? When did you enter the gate of Heaven? [00:49:05.15]

Peter/Angelo: It was about 1926.

So now it was 1926. You'd progressed this time from the third dimension to the eighth in a space of about another one hundred years, is that correct?

Peter/Angelo: By spending time in the third sphere and going back to the first sphere regularly and opening up to those emotions that I had, it meant I was then able to progress very quickly.

In comparison to before?

Peter/Angelo: To before, yes.

In 1926 when you entered the Celestial Heavens, what did you feel? I know it's very difficult to describe it.

Peter/Angelo: The first feeling that I had was that I was finally home. I had finally come home.

And you were welcomed by many spirits, like everyone is?

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

How did you find that transition? How did your spirit friends help you make the transition over that gossamer bridge, shall we call it, into the heavens?

Peter/Angelo: You have to go from trusting yourself and being responsible for yourself to just allowing God into your heart. The moment you allow God into your heart, you're no longer having to do it for yourself. This was the big block that I had to getting through the bridge, allowing myself to open up to the fact that I don't have to be doing it because I could love and I could share, but when you're opening up purely to God it's very different.

2.6. Angelo's life since entering in the Celestial spheres

Since that point in time, the mid 1920's, 1926, what have you mostly been involved in doing?

Peter/Angelo: Well, 1926 was a very tragic time on Earth, a very busy time on Earth. From 1926 to 1946 I had a desire to help many people that were involved in the wars on Earth, and that took many different forms. We should probably go back a little bit. Within the first few moments of arriving in the spirit world, God gives you an opportunity. You have another chance to decide or to change or to feel open to other possibilities. When many of these men arrived in the spirit world, they were given an opportunity to be shown another way that they could be engaged in the spirit world.

You mean the men who were involved in wars?

Peter/Angelo: Correct. Most chose not to, but many also did.

You would have enjoyed that process of being able to help them and educate them?

Peter/Angelo: Correct. Many of them were boys, too.

Yeah, of course, just under twenty.

Peter/Angelo: Yes.

After the war ended, obviously there were fewer people now passing into the spirit world than before, and what did you choose to do then? [00:52:58.13]

Peter/Angelo: Then I went on a discovery for myself, and that was when I really wanted to understand God's universe as complete.

When did you actually make the transition between the fourteenth and the fifteenth sphere?

Peter/Angelo: That was in 1986.

What was the major change in your being when you made that transition?

Peter/Angelo: It was my desire to want to know more, and by opening up to this desire, it allowed me into another sphere of discovery.

In that case a lot of new things were added to you.

Peter/Angelo: It was like you talk about your computers, going from a slow computer to the fastest computer ever, each time you go up to a sphere.

So you've been in the fifteenth dimension since...

Peter/Angelo: From 1986 to now I've been going between the fifteenth and the thirteenth.

When did you decide you wanted to be Peter's guide? What happened for you to be Peter's guide, because that was obviously an assignment of some kind? [00:54:26.21]

Peter/Angelo: Yes. There is much confusion around how guides work. Many of you in the audience think that if I'm Peter's guide I'm constantly beside Peter and I'm here all the time. It's not like that.

No, when you're in the fifteenth dimension you can share yourself among lots of people simultaneously.

Peter/Angelo: Correct. So the main time I came to Peter was three years ago when you, AJ, arrived on the scene. It was at that time that Peter had a desire to want to discover more, and that's when he was assigned myself.

Obviously there are personality similarities between yourself and Peter. What are those?

Peter/Angelo: The discovery is the main one.

The desire to discover new things?

Peter/Angelo: Yes, and when I was on Earth, I had many desires with land and sea and understanding, very similar there. Peter also has a desire for discovery, a desire to want to know people, and now I get great enjoyment out of just knowing people. Many of you in the audience see all your hardships as that being who you are, whereas we get to see you as you really are.

Far removed from that person that often people believe themselves to be.

Peter/Angelo: Correct.

When did we first meet, you and I?

Peter/Angelo: When did you and I first meet? It's probably more the other way - when did I first meet you. That was about fourteen years ago, and I met you through another Celestial who took me to meet you.

Before that time did you realise that there were those of the fourteen who had returned to Earth?

Peter/Angelo: In 1930 we became aware that it was a possibility that this might happen.

Yes, you were aware that it could happen, and when did you find out that it had happened? [00:56:51.00]

Peter/Angelo: Fourteen years ago. That was the first time I saw it for myself. I saw you first. And your lady.

And the lady and the others, too. Okay so shall we just hand it over to some questions from the audience again?

3. Audience questions for Angelo

3.1. Experiencing pain when discovering God's Truth before at-onement

Participant: I've just got a couple of questions, Angelo. I feel like a lot of people who are following the teachings as Jesus and Mary are giving them, believe that receiving God's Truth is probably associated with a lot of pain. Would you mind describing a little bit of the process of longing for and receiving God's Truth when you no longer have any pain? What is that like in the Celestial Kingdom?

Peter/Angelo: Well, that word "pain" is a bit like the word "death." (Laughter) You see, if you just went with desire, you're never going to have too much pain. Do you understand that?

Participant: No.

Peter/Angelo: If you are just going with desire and love for yourself in the moment, the pain is never going to be too unbearable. Your desire and your love are always going to override the pain because every time you have an experience and you feel pain, it's what happens after the feeling - you know that the pain is so worth it. See if you can no longer see it as pain because the word "pain" is like, "This is hard, it's going to be hard, it's going to be work," you're going to have to fight it. The truth is that if you're feeling your emotion, there's no hardness to it, you're simply in that state rather than being intellectual. Is that any help?

Participant: Yeah, a lot, thank you.

Yeah, a lot of times we see pain as the more important thing and we forget the benefits of the release of the pain. After a while you start seeing pain not as an impediment to your growth, but actually as a welcome part of the process of your growth. [00:59:28.09]

Peter/Angelo: You know as you're feeling the pain that you're getting closer to your desire.

Mary: The question was though, "What's it's like, to receive truth without pain?" It's true that as we're led by desire we feel our pain as a matter of course, but it's still pain, isn't it? So I was interested in Matthew's question, which was, "What is the experience like once you have no more injury in you?" Because obviously now you're receiving more of God's Truth as you progress.

Peter/Angelo: I'm a bit confused.

Peter's a bit confused about the question but Angelo's not. (Laughter)

Peter: Yeah, because I'm getting really confused.

If I can just help Peter a bit with the question... What Angelo was saying earlier was that the main impediment to a person's growth before they enter the condition of at-onement with God is that they believe pain to be something that's real and tangible. They believe pain is the reason they can't grow, but that's not the reason they can't grow. It's that they can't grow because of their focus on pain. They are focussed on pain; they feel pain is more important than the benefits that come after you release it. Before the eighth dimension, people are constantly focused on the pain that they're in rather than on the pleasure that they have of releasing the pain. [01:01:06.03]

The reason Angelo brought up the pain issue is that before the eighth dimension you are too focused on pain. You want to say how bad it is that you're experiencing this emotion, whereas after a while you transition into seeing that it's fantastic to experience every emotion and it actually feels a welcome relief to experience every emotion. Even though there is some emotional pain in the process, it's actually a very, very welcome relief to experience the emotion.

Peter/Angelo: In the spirit world, you know that if you choose to not feel the pain, instantly you'd be taken away, taken out of that sphere.

Down to a lower sphere.

Peter/Angelo: And often you might go from the fourth sphere back to the first sphere. You don't always go back to the third sphere. Do you understand?

So you instantly receive the negative feedback associated with your resistance to pain.

Peter/Angelo: Yes, correct.

3.2. Discovering God's Truth after at-onement

Once you enter the at-onement condition, what does it feel like? That's what Mary was asking. There's obviously no more pain, so what does it feel like?

Peter/Angelo: The feeling is that you're continuing to grow and expand. Every time you're connecting to God, there's this feeling of growing within your soul and understanding more of what's actually happening. In the lower spheres you do not have the understanding of what's happening as it's going on, whereas in my state now you actually have the knowledge of knowing what's happening in that moment.

So there's almost anticipatory excitement with every single thing you receive?

Peter/Angelo: Yes, whereas when I was in the lower spheres I was simply taken and put there, not knowing in the moment why this was taking place.

And not realising that it was your soul's resistance to the pain that was causing you to go back each time. [01:03:15.12]

Peter/Angelo: Yes. For myself it was generally around two or three very specific emotions.

What were those emotions, Angelo?

Peter/Angelo: The first one was obviously the women, yes, and the second one was the lack of love I had for my father.

Right, so more like a resentment of your father, was it?

Peter/Angelo: Well, yes. I never saw my father as a father, and I resented the fact that I felt my childhood had been taken away from me.

And the third issue that you mentioned?

Peter/Angelo: The third one was the love of myself. I was happy to punish myself rather than feel love.

Very common issues for many of us. Does that answer the first question, Matt?

Participant: Yeah, absolutely.

3.3. Having a pure desire for God's Truth

What about the second?

Participant: The second is that I'm just wondering how many people are now in the Celestial Kingdoms.

Peter/Angelo: Firstly, I'd like to ask your reasoning for that question.

Participant: I'd say there's probably going to be an emotion under there. I heard Jesus say at one point that there are now forty billion souls alive, and I'm wondering what proportion of those people are in the Celestials.

And Angelo asked you why you want to ask that question.

Peter/Angelo: You see, the reason you're wanting to ask that question is that you don't trust God and the fact that God can look after everybody. If there was no one in the Celestials, God can still look after everybody. Do you understand that? We're simply connected to helping you all as messengers from God, but God can do that regardless of whether we're in the Celestials or not.

Participant: Well, why is it, though, that there are all these people on the Earth now that have the desire for truth and the willingness and the humbleness, but they're not receiving the truth yet?

Peter/Angelo: Because for many on Earth, they don't want the truth about God and they find it easier initially to talk to someone like myself rather than simply connect to God.

Yeah, I can't agree with your question at all, Matthew. You're basically saying that people on Earth have a desire to receive truth but they're not receiving it, and that's a physical impossibility. If a person has a true desire to actually receive truth, they will always receive it. [01:06:23.22]

Participant: Okay.

This is a question based on an illusion you have that there is a pure desire in many people and yet they're not receiving truth.

Participant: Okay, I think I heard something about it, but I must have really misunderstood what you were saying at the time.

The reality is that every single person who has a pure desire to receive truth receives the exact truth that they desire.

Participant: Straight away?

Immediately, and if we don't then the desire is not pure. Many on the Earth who believe they are following the teachings of truth are actually not following the teachings of truth; this is why they are not progressing. Everyone on Earth wants to believe in the illusion of progress; this is a big problem we have, we want to see ourselves as progressing when the reality is that many times we are not progressing. The main reason we are not progressing is not because of anything external to ourselves. [01:07:20.19]

Unfortunately, on Earth we all want the reason to be something external to ourselves. So basically we say to God, "I've got a good desire, why am I not getting what I want?" God's saying back to us, "Well, I'm sorry, but if you had a pure desire you would already be receiving what you want, so that tells me that you don't have a pure desire." That's what God is saying to us: "You do not have a pure desire because if you did you would already be receiving what you want."

This is very important to understand. If we believe we have a longing for the truth and yet we're not receiving the truth, it means we don't have a longing for the truth. We just believe we do, and that's a big difference to actually having one. Do you see the difference?

Participant: Yes, thank you. Thanks, Angelo.

Peter/Angelo: We want God to take the pain away.

We want to experience less pain, why? You're going to have to experience the pain you've got inside of you and release it. A lot of times we want God to help us have less pain, but God says, "No, no I want you to feel the pain that's already inside of you because nobody else can," so already we're out of harmony with the truth. This is the problem that we have on Earth; we're often out of harmony with the truth of how to grow. We have a concept in our mind but we're yet to understand in our heart how to actually do it. Does that make sense?

Participant: Yes. Thanks.

Peter/Angelo: And for yourself, Matthew, you still believe that God can't do everything.

God can give you all the truth you want, but you have to be in a place where you're wanting it in a pure sense. The instant you are, you'll get it. That applies to every single one of us.

Mary: That's the Law of Desire.

Participant: Yeah, the Law of Desire.

Yes. Want to take a break, Peter?

Peter: Yes.

Yes, bit of a headache?

Peter: No, I'm just getting tired.

No worries. Pete's struggling now, so we have to take a break for Pete.

4. Inaccuracies conveyed during mediumship

Before we get started, the first thing I want to point out to you is that channelling spirits, particularly spirits who are of a Celestial nature, is quite a difficult task and it's very dependent upon the condition of the individual as to what kind of information they receive. Now with Peter's channelling, there were some inaccuracies in the information that Peter received, and I can describe some of those inaccuracies. But we can firstly just discuss why the inaccuracy exists.

The inaccuracy mostly exists because of the emotional condition of the individual who's doing the channelling. You cannot assume that what is coming out of the individual's mouth is exactly what the spirit is saying. This is particularly true when the spirit's in a higher condition. The higher a spirit's condition, the more difficult it becomes to channel information to a person on Earth from that spirit. [01:11:14.19]

Now in Pete's case, a number of times Peter lost some of the connection with Angelo, and there was an intermediary spirit who relayed information from Angelo to Peter during those periods. Because of the need for an intermediary spirit, some of the information became inaccurate. Rather than going through what was accurate and what was not accurate, because that would take almost as much time as the mediumship itself, I would rather put to you that with everything that is spoken through a medium, you need to take into account the condition of the medium and, unfortunately, many of you are not doing that.

You're trusting almost every word that comes out of a medium when the person is claiming to channel a spirit, particularly a Celestial spirit or a spirit who's on the Divine Love Path. You're trusting every word coming out of the mouth of the medium many times, and often not understanding what's actually going on.

4.1. Intermediaries during channelling of spirits

Participant: AJ, what is the role of the intermediary? This is the first time I've heard of that.

The higher spirit can no longer communicate with you due to whatever emotion you are actually in at the time. There are often many intermediary spirits in different conditions already lined up by the higher spirit to continue communicating with you, and the hope is that you get back into the condition you were in previously where the higher spirits can speak with you. For example, let's say a spirit in the thirteenth dimension is talking to you; he will often have a spirit in the seventh dimension lined up, and one in the fifth and one in the third and even one in the second or first sphere - a spirit on the Divine Love Path - lined up to speak just in case his communication with you can't be established. [01:14:12.19]

Mary: That's about rapport.

Participant: Also you're saying that when the rapport breaks he can no longer be close to you?

He can no longer be close to you because of something inside of yourself. He's close in terms of space but he's not close in terms of what he can teach you or what he can tell you, so emotionally he's quite distant from you. At the moment, for example, in this auditorium many of you are emotionally distant from each other, even though you're sitting right next to each other. You are completely emotionally disconnected from each other. You can be in the same physical space but at the same time totally out of rapport with each other, not even understanding what your next door neighbour is thinking, feeling or expressing in any way. It's exactly the same for a spirit. A spirit can be sitting right next to you but be totally out of rapport with you because of the difference in their emotional condition and their condition in love compared to yours at that moment.

Participant: Ironically that would mean some intermediary spirit would carry the same wounds as you so he could communicate through that wound?

Correct. Often they do have wounds, but they're learning the process of how to release those wounds. However, often they have similar wounds and therefore there's a distortion of the higher spirit's communication through that wound.

4.2. Inaccuracies during Angelo's channelling

I can give one illustration of when Peter was channelling. When I started asking questions about where his soulmate was and the condition that Angelo himself is in, Peter's emotions started kicking in. That's when we started getting inaccurate information. Angelo is not in the fifteenth dimension, but this is something that Peter would like to believe is true. And his soulmate does not necessarily have the injury that Peter described. Those particular things come from some of Peter's feelings, and Peter's feelings about the world, and Peter's lady's feelings.

Participant: So in this case Angelo didn't lie, it just didn't come through because of the emotion?

Angelo is still telling the truth, or attempting to, but Peter cannot accurately hear it while that emotional injury exists. Do not assume that the spirit is the person at fault. We must always assume that it's our own condition that is causing the inaccuracy in communication, always. The spirit, even a spirit in a first sphere condition, is very rarely at fault in their communication with regard to what they believe to be true, but often what they believe doesn't get accurately reflected.

This is why many of you can visit a medium and they'll say, "This spirit says he's in the seventh dimension, he's this and that, this and that," but he's really in the hells of the first dimension. However we often believe he's in the seventh, and sometimes the person who's doing the mediumship believes it. The spirit may not believe he's in the seventh but sometimes the person doing the mediumship would like to believe he's in the seventh and that's why the spirit, the person, says all of those things. [01:17:40.27]

Mary: I feel that it requires a lot of humility on the part of the medium to be able to be open enough emotionally to feel the emotions of the spirits involved, because the minute that we can do that we very often get feedback that says, "What he says, that's wrong," or "I have to step back now." Rachel is often so direct with me that she will say, "I can't tell you the answer to that question because you don't want to know." We talked to her about the channelling I did last time we were here with Michael and she said, "Yes, Michael felt satisfied that he could share his personality with the group; however, there were many more things that he wanted to say, but we were limited to a certain scope by your desire." I felt the same thing with Angelo. I was feeling some things that Angelo was feeling, but because of some of Pete's fear, like, '"Oh I've got to do the thing," what he was open to became limited. Angelo could tell some things about his life, but there were other bigger things that he wanted to share as well.

For example, he wanted to share a lot about his feelings of compassion for people on the Earth, and he was unable to do that through Peter today. He wanted to share about his discovery of God a lot more, but he was unable to do that.

Peter: I'm still discovering God.

Mary: Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, he was unable to do that with Peter today. They are two very, very big areas that he would have loved to have shared more with you, but he's limited by Peter's feelings about those particular issues.

4.3. Experiencing emotions while channelling Celestial spirits

Participant: Mary, you said before that you feel the love of your Celestial guide, and you cry the whole time and go into grief. That happens to me with my guide. I just cry the whole time because there's just so much love and it's so beautiful. So probably am I not getting anything clear if I'm in grief?

You're getting more clarity than you would have been if you weren't in grief (laughs), but the reality is that obviously you're in your own emotions so you can't accurately reflect the information the spirit has. But that's a good thing; it's not a bad thing because you're at least allowing yourself to experience the grief of being loved. The reason you're experiencing grief is not that it's about being loved, it's about the comparison between that love and all the other loves you've experienced up to that point. While you're experiencing your own grief, of course it is quite self-involved in some ways. You're experiencing your emotions so it's very hard for them to then communicate. It's like if Mary started crying in front of you and I go, "But listen to this, listen to that," it's impossible, isn't it, for me to then transmit things through her to another person until the grief is calmed down to a degree. [01:21:05.09]

Participant: Well, she just keeps sending me the love constantly and I just keep crying.

Yeah, that's good.

Participant: And I'm trying to talk, trying to get messages.

You don't need to talk. (Laughter)

Participant: Yes, it may be better just to cry and not talk?

Yes, it would be better because if you just cried and didn't talk, and you just cried and cried and cried it out, then you would actually then be in a better space to talk after that, that's the reality.

Mary: And mediumship is not just about receiving information, is it? It's like in my relationship with AJ, we're not just having a mind discussion, are we? There's all this other stuff going on emotionally, and that to me is almost the core of the relationship. That is why I'm often more open to reflecting the spirit's personality than the specific messages - I value that emotional connection.

4.4. Inaccuracies during Angelo's channelling (continued)

Participant: With the explanation of the injury of Angelo's soulmate being angry with God for being unjust, which was incorrect, how does that come in? Is that an injury of the spirit who came to fill in for Angelo or is that an injury connected personally with Peter?

Firstly, a Celestial spirit doesn't have that injury. He was saying that his soulmate was in the twelfth dimension, which is way above the eighth, and she still has the injury of feeling that God is somehow unjust with what's happening on the Earth. The reality is that a Celestial spirit doesn't have that injury, so either that means that the spirit being described is not in the twelfth dimension or it means that there's something inside of Peter that's causing an inaccuracy of the information.

The most likely cause of the inaccuracy is something inside Peter. That is always the same with every medium who is on the Earth, unless that medium was at-one with God. The most likely cause of any inaccuracy in the information is the medium themselves, and we need to keep that in mind at all times.

Please don't feel that I'm condemning Peter here. Peter is in the process of developing his mediumship and also developing his soul. As he improves in his condition, his mediumship will automatically have more and more and more clarity. That's automatically going to be the case. We need to understand this as a growing process, not like "I'm hearing a spirit right now and that means that I'm 100% accurate 100% of the time and I'm getting really spot on information all the time." That is not the case. [01:24:08.12]

Also, by the way, if we make that assumption we don't understand the loving use of mediumship. We want to talk about that as a part of this process. Once we've introduced the other spirits, we'll start to engage our spirit friends in helping you understand the process of mediumship - what actually goes on during mediumship, why it's engaged, why God has allowed the process of spirits communicating with us, what can happen through this process, what loving things it provides to us, and what loving things it can also potentially provide to the spirits. We'll talk about it from both perspectives.

4.5. The emotional openness of mediums

Participant: AJ, I'm just a little bit confused about mediumship in general. My experience has been that often the most mediumistic people seem to be people with really, really deep injuries. The more injured you are, the more likelihood that there's going to be unclear channelling?

I can't agree that the mediums have the more severe injuries. However, there is a quality in the mediums that makes you feel that way and that is that a medium, generally, is more open to emotion that the average person. As a result, they are more open to their own emotional injuries than the average person. The average person is very intellectually-driven, therefore very closed to their own emotional injuries. As a result, they are also very closed to communication with spirits. The person who is very open to their own emotions, injuries or not, is often very open to the emotions of spirits and therefore very influenced by those emotions.

A person who is mediumistic generally has fewer blockages to receiving emotions from their external environment than a person who cannot do mediumship. They actually have one less emotional injury than the person who cannot do mediumship, but that doesn't mean they are free of emotional injuries. In fact, many times they are full of emotional injuries, just like any other person on the planet, but they are more open to the experience of the emotion itself and therefore more open to the communication. Does that make sense?

Participant: Yeah, kind of, I suppose.

4.6. Determining the authenticity of channellings

There's a fair bit of your judgement in that question, by the way.

Participant: Yeah, I get that, but I've just experienced a few times, particularly recently, where people supposedly channel their guides and maybe it is uninvited, just almost off the street.

Yeah, a guide would never channel to another person, a third party, without invitation, without the third party asking for some information, so it's not their guide. The medium is claiming it's their guide for some purpose.

Participant: I was just wondering about a question of ethics or integrity, with some people lying that, "my guide is telling me this right now," when the person hasn't asked for it.

There are no ethics at all in that and, therefore, highly unlikely that a Celestial spirit would be involved in the process. You see, a Celestial spirit is always ethical, they've learned the truth about morality and ethics. They are always ethical in every single dealing they have with every single individual, so if a person is channelling information uninvited to you, then they are not channelling a Celestial spirit because ethically the Celestial spirit wouldn't be involved in that process. Now the person might be claiming, "My guide's saying this," but the reality is that it's not their guide saying this. It's generally some very dark spirit who wants to interfere with the relationship between themselves and the other person, or somehow damage the other person by criticising them, or provide some untruth to the person. This is happening very commonly. [01:28:43.08]

Mary: Sometimes it is the truth.

Sometimes it is the truth, but often they get away with saying the truth that is not said with any love, and it's certainly not said with any morality; therefore, it is not a Celestial spirit saying it.

Participant: I guess it has confused me a little bit because I don't feel particularly mediumistic at this point, and those who I believe are or who seem to be connected with their guides come out with things which to me are quite unloving at times.

I agree completely. Many of the people who are supposedly channelling their guides who are meant to be Celestial spirits, are not channelling their guides, nor are they Celestial spirits; rather they are quite dark spirits who are attempting to manipulate people who are more trusting than they should be about the person in that process.

The key with any medium is to have a look at the medium's life. If the medium's life is a bit of a mess, then how can the medium themself really be channelling some high spirits unless they are in a place in that moment of complete contemplation, prayer, and connection with God, which is possible at moments of our lives, and in moments when we are in that space we can channel Celestial spirits. But to do so consistently would require some major changes in the person's life, morally and physically, and changes in their life from a spiritual perspective with regard to love and truth.

In reality there are many, many Earth-bound spirits who are looking for opportunities to mislead people on Earth, and many of you are falling prey to those opportunities because of your desire to believe you're channelling someone other than them. We need to address that, and there are ways that you can easily see that that is actually occurring if you're open to it from a humility perspective.

The reason we want to have this discussion is that there are many people around the world who are attempting to channel and to use their mediumship, but many of them are getting hooked up in the addictive use of mediumship rather than a pure loving use of mediumship and are therefore automatically attracting spirits who are of dark condition into the mediumship. Unfortunately they personally, the medium, are claiming that the dark spirits are not in a dark condition and then causing doubts in others about the information. [01:31:40.18]

We want to correct that by actually going through this process of seeing what the loving use of mediumship is, when our Celestial spirits would be involved in mediumship, and so forth. Many times claims are being made that Celestial spirits are involved in mediumship and there is not a Celestial spirit in sight of the person, let alone connected to the person. We need to understand why that's the case, and this is part of why we want to have today's discussion.

The reason we want to involve some spirits in the discussion is so that you can start seeing it from their perspective, what they see surrounding the person compared to what the person believes is surrounding them. If we could start doing that, we could find a lot of information about what's really happening. [01:32:41.26]

4.7. Attracting higher spirits to channel

Participant: My question is, in New Age thinking, with channelling I often call in an intention for a higher guidance. Does the same principle work with Divine Love? Can you call in higher guidance from a Celestial spirit? Not that you'll get that Celestial spirit. Can they block a lower energy or a lower spirit from the channelling?

Firstly, let's look at the part of the question about what often happens on the Natural Love Path with people who are channelling. Many times people who are channelling believe that they can put a sort of ball of protection around themselves and only channel certain spirits in that particular space. Unfortunately, the type of spirit that responds to that request is usually in the first sphere of the spirit world because they don't honour a person's free will in the spirit world. You often have a barrier of spirits around you, but they're all first sphere spirits preventing anybody else from connecting to the person in that particular request.

Many times the so-called request is of God, but the reality is that the soul condition of the medium always determines the truth of any request. If the soul condition of the medium is "I want to show off to you, I want to get some glory and attention and approval from you," and so on, then the true request is not towards God but rather it's toward a heap of spirits who will honour those requests. And so this so-called protective barrier is being maintained, but it's not being maintained by God or any spirit of any development; it's often being maintained by very dark spirits or spirits in the first dimension who have a very concrete set of belief systems, and who will only allow spirits with the same kinds of beliefs to communicate via the medium. Often a very, very damaging process is engaged.

Now in terms of our Celestial friends, and any spirit in fact on the Divine Love Path, they will always honour the free will at the soul level of the individual. "You can request God's protection while you're channelling, but if at the same time you've got the request of "I want to get some glory, and I want some attention, and I want some approval, and I want this neediness with this other person engaged, and I want some sexual energy as well," then that's the prayer. That's what you're going to get. You're going to get spirits in those conditions connecting with you.

For any request of God to actually be enabled, we have to request it from our heart, in a state of sincerity and truth, and this is where the majority of mediums on the Divine Love Path fail. They are not looking at their true soul request, they're just looking at their intellectual request. They're not feeling, "What do I really want in this transaction?"

Let's say Mary is the person coming to me for mediumship and I badly want some approval from a woman. That's my real emotion, then that's my prayer: "I want approval from this woman." Now a heap of spirits come who are going to say exactly what Mary wants to hear, exactly what she wants to hear, nothing that is going to challenge her very much. They'll put a little bit of truth in there so Mary thinks the rest of it would be truth. And then Mary gives me this great big emotion of how fantastic the mediumship was, and I feel really good and happy with myself, and isn't it wonderful, and now we've both had our addictions met, and do you think any Celestial spirit was involved in the whole process? No, none of them were. [01:36:46.28]

The Celestial spirit is of course looking at the process and going, "Well, how can we correct this process? How can we correct what's going on here?" But unfortunately, because we are so heavily in this co-dependent addiction with each other, it's highly unlikely that we're going to receive very much direction from them in that moment as to what's actually happening.

Participant: Yes, so you need desires strong enough within your heart for the Celestial spirit to unblock everything...

And remember desires can't be manufactured. Many of you believe you can manufacture desires. You believe you can say, "I want this to happen in this moment," when the reality is that your desires are with you in every moment, and it's the desires that are with you in every moment that will have the most impact upon who's going to come to you during mediumship.

Now there are moments that you can raise your condition by having extra faith. For example, if you spent a morning praying and you've dealt with some emotions, you did a bit of crying and you released some emotions about your mum, and then you read some of the R J Lees material, or the Padgett Messages, and that helped you feel in a really good space, then your desires and condition are temporarily in a higher condition. In that moment you have the potential of receiving different types of information.

Mary: Because the rapport is stronger. It's not necessarily that the Celestial spirit is not blocking other spirits, it's just that your own condition is more open to their condition. Celestial spirits will never impact on the free will of anyone, so if our will is not in harmony with a loving desire, they can't override that. But they also won't override the will of other spirits.

The other thing that will happen with a Celestial spirit is that he or she will not feed your addiction when you're in an addiction. In the previous example I gave where I'm in this addiction of wanting approval from women, even if I were in a relatively good space where I could normally channel my Celestial friends, in this moment I'm not going to be able to channel my Celestial friends because they will not wish to feed my addiction for the woman's approval. They will in fact wish to confront that addiction and help me work through it somehow. [01:39:21.22]

Often many of you in your private mediumship sessions are claiming that you're channelling Celestial spirits and many times the spirits you're actually channelling are not even second sphere spirits. Because they use the words of Divine Truth, which is relatively easy for a spirit to do, all they've got to do is listen to you talk for ten minutes or read a bit of your mind for ten minutes and go, "Yeah, they like the word 'truth,' they like the word 'love,' they like the word 'free will,' they like this word, they like that word, they like the word 'emotion.' If I just trigger an emotion in them, if I use that other word they like, and somehow I get them to connect, I can say a whole lot of untruth to them and they'll believe me."

4.7.1. Celestial spirits honour free will

Participant: I've seen around here in Armidale people in a conversation, and suddenly somebody's guide jumps into a conversation. Now is that fishy?

It's not only fishy; it's not their guide.

Participant: Okay (laughs), so that's fishy.

It's impossible that it's their guide because their guide would announce their presence. Their guide would also be looking at whether the people there really wanted to talk to them in that particular moment and there would be a question, "Do you want to hear from me?" Like, "I'm such and such, do you want to hear from me?" There would also be a feeling of love coming from them in the moment that they say what they are saying. Many times none of those things are happening.

Participant: Right. There was a gathering recently at Miriam's place and I think Dave was in a mediumship with another person, and I noticed there was this presence in the room and it was very ... I can't tell if it was very big or very pushy. I was kind of mentally rationalising and going, okay, there's this Divine Celestial spirit in the room so maybe it's trying to squeeze itself in the living room and it's really intense, or am I just feeling something else where it's just a little bit like...

Celestial spirits are amongst the most gentle people that you could ever know. They are never pushy.

Participant: Right. I was having a conversation with somebody else and the feeling I had was I had to stop this conversation and listen to them even though my desire was actually just to continue having a conversation with them and let them have their own thing.

Exactly. It's highly unlikely it's a Celestial spirit. We can go through a lot of the actual events in a future session because I feel in this particular discussion I'd like to cover the general principles, and we've got the opportunity of having a few spirits putting in their ideas of what's really going on and presenting what they observe to you. [01:42:42.10]

4.8. Maintaining a rapport with higher spirits

Mary: Can we just clarify? Peter has a desire to serve with his mediumship, and I'm reflecting here for both of us, but then fear comes up for us. Then the rapport lessens between our guide and us on Earth where it might be stronger under different circumstances, say if no one else was in the room.

When Mary and I are talking together and we're talking to some spirits, often the connection is very, very good because Mary's not worried about you and what you think and what you feel, she's just connected to the person.

Mary: But because sometimes that rapport is lessened, sometimes an intermediary steps in to assist with that process. It doesn't mean that there's no Angelo in the equation, it just means that it's being filtered a little bit through some other people.

Peter: For myself just at the end where I said I've got to stop, it's like at that point I was tired. You're not tired when you're really connected. I was trying to push it, and I knew then that I've just got to stop.

Yeah, and we can be tired for many reasons too. Maybe we're now trying to do something that isn't easily flowing. It could also be we're tired because we haven't drunk enough water, and when we're channelling spirits who are of higher condition, they burn up the moisture in our body very, very rapidly and we need to have a lot of water. There are quite a number of physical reasons why we might be tired as well.

5. Channelling of the Celestial spirits Rachel and Timothy

Okay, well shall we meet Rachel and Timothy?

Mary/Rachel: Hello, brother and friends. It is a joy to be here and I merely wish to say that we will be happy to discuss our life on Earth and after our passing and our many adventures in the spirit world, but we also feel sincerely that we wish to discuss this very important topic of the loving use of mediumship.

Perhaps you could give us a brief summary of your life? I know that it's very difficult for two thousand years of life. (Laughs) Then perhaps we can proceed with questions about what you observe with regard to the loving or unloving use of mediumship on the planet generally, and also what's happening with regard to many people who are associated with the Divine Love Path. [01:46:13.05]

Mary/Rachel: Certainly; this will be our pleasure and we will also be guided by your questions.

5.1. Rachel and Timothy's life on Earth in the first century

Perhaps if we could just begin with a brief summary of your life; how does that sound?

Mary/Rachel: Certainly. This is Rachel and I will speak predominantly today for the purposes of keeping things succinct. Timothy would also like to meet you all; however, at this point the rapport is best with myself so we will continue in this way.

Mary/Rachel: I lived in the first century and I was fortunate to know this brother and sister who are before you today. I feel that my life was a very fortunate one in that I came to know them both in this very special time on the Earth, but also that I was able to begin to explore and develop my relationship with God while I was still on the Earth plane. This was very rare for most people in this time and for many people even now, you would agree. This most beautiful of relationships is often neglected as the condition of the Earth sits in a lower sphere and one where people become very engrossed with survival, what they perceive to be the needs of survival. This was the case at the time when I lived in the first century. However, I was the youngest of three daughters and we lived in a rural area. There was no pressure upon me to marry. Because I was the youngest, I would care for my parents.

Normally in the first century daughters would, if they were the eldest, have to marry? And if they were the youngest it didn't matter either way because you've got to get them to look after you as parents. Is that how it worked? [01:48:22.29]

Mary/Rachel: In some ways, yes, it resembled this. Because there were no males in my family group it would seem as well that I should remain in the home with my mother, and as my sisters grew, each married and everyone was most comfortable for me to remain in the home and care for my now aging parents.

Mary/Rachel: I was twenty-two and still unmarried when I was fortunate to meet you, brother, as you passed through our town. It was very rare in this time for any woman to consider God in any real way. Worship was the role of men, and in many ways we were to obey the men. Through this we were assured of our purity, of our worthiness, so it was very unusual for me to be drawn to be in the company of these men who were travelling through our village. However, I was entranced and enraptured with the words that were spoken and so shocked that I would be able to remain in their company while they spoke of such things.

If I can give a bit of background: in the first century when men began discussing religious matters or matters about God, women were usually asked to leave, and it was very unusual for a woman to be asked to stay and listen, or even be allowed to stay and listen.

Mary/Rachel: What occurred for me then was a deep change within my heart. I recognised what I now know to be a deep passion for God that was a part of my nature. Over the course of a number of months I confronted many issues within my family home and I left my family home.

Which would have been quite difficult.

Mary/Rachel: This was quite an extreme measure for any woman to take, but amongst your group as you will remember, there were one or two other older women who did not have the ties of family or obligation, many of whom were widows or outcasts from society. I began to know them and recognised that, although it would be flying in the face of social propriety, perhaps my life could be led in a different way, and I left under the cover of night to join this group and follow and learn as best I could for the time that you remained on Earth.

If you could, explain how soon it was after I began to publicly preach that you met me.

Mary/Rachel: I believe that it was five years after you began your public ministry. I tend to recall this in terms of the years before your at-onement; you were but one year before your at-onement

Could you just perhaps explain to people? I know many of them have a misunderstanding about when I truly began my public ministry compared to when I became at-one with God. Most of the time when I've been talking to the audience I've been describing to them when I became at-one with God, but I actually began preaching to people before then. [01:52:49.28]

Mary/Rachel: We may say that after your at-onement things became far more public (laughs), but you were almost a boy in your early twenties when you began to talk of the truth of God with others. You had decided to leave the proper way of society at a young age. At the time that I met you, of course, I was unaware that you were incomplete in the process of at-onement, for already there was a deep magnetism from your soul, there was a deep draw to the issues of truth and love which you already displayed.

I began to follow in this travelling lifestyle and we were supported by others as we travelled, but also I worked hard. I was no stranger to hard work, having worked to support the workings of our household, as my mother had been ill in later years. I suppose there are very many things I could say about this time, but I'm conscious perhaps that we should remain with the punctuating points.

I think also, though, it's nice to have people feel a bit of your personality and nature in the process.

Mary/Rachel: Certainly.

In summary, you met me when I was around thirty years of age and I'd already been preaching for over five years at that time?

Mary/Rachel: Yes, this is the case, and as I stated previously, I feel that my life was a very fortunate one in that I came to understand many Truths of God by simply sitting and listening on many occasions with you and observing the way in which you dealt with life and other people. I have always considered myself to be a person of integrity, and I learned many more things surrounding the issues of integrity in the time that I walked with you.

Mary/Rachel: Of course, one of the major reasons that I am here speaking with you today is that I became a deep personal friend of your soulmate, Miriam, when she joined our group. She suffered largely with many other members of the group because of her past, and yet I found her quite easy to love. Although our backgrounds had been very different, we shared a common passion for life, for growth and for God, and these were things that I recognised in her immediately while others saw many other damaged parts. (Mary is crying.)

Mary/Rachel: I am laughing now as she cries because I feel a deep sense of gratitude for my relationship with her, although she would say that she owes me the gratitude. We became firm friends and we spent much time together. During this time I also met my soulmate, Timothy. When we first met we did not recognise each other as soulmates; however I felt a deep attraction to him. One of the reasons that I had not married was that I carried a deformity from birth and I was not considered to be a beautiful woman in the day. Although I resembled Miriam quite strongly in terms of stature and hair colour, my face was somewhat distorted, and for this reason I never regarded myself as an attractive woman, nor did I seek the company of men in any romantic way. (Mary pauses and cries a little)

A lot of this stuff's emotional for Mary because she's still going through the emotions relating to our first century lives.

Mary: Okay, can you ask me, please? I'm just trying to control it, sorry.

So yourself and Mary were very, very good friends and you eventually met Timothy. You felt an attraction to Timothy. Did you feel that Timothy felt an attraction to you?

Mary/Rachel: Not initially. He was a young man who was also drawn to study. He felt that he would be with you for a short time to study the teachings that you delivered. He was uninterested in me because of the way that I appeared. However, over time a friendship grew between us.

Is this the same Timothy who is in the Bible and who Paul travelled with?

Mary/Rachel: Yes, yes, and we had grown close. However, circumstances parted us. As you are aware, at the time of your death, Miriam was some months pregnant and it was decided amongst the men that I should travel with her in order to accompany her to a place of safety. This was a time of deep grief and trauma for all of us, and Timothy and I were parted for what we saw as a more important cause, and so it was not until his passing some many years later, some many years following my own passing, that we were reunited in the spirit world.

Obviously Miriam wants to skip over the details of your own passing, and perhaps we can raise that another time, but once you arrived in the spirit world, which was before Miriam arrived in the spirit world, what happened then? [02:02:19.06]

Mary: I'm sorry I've got to go and cry. Sorry, everyone. (Mary leaves).

Mary just needs to go and cry.

I can maybe describe a bit of what Mary is finding difficult to describe. Rachel left Timothy in Jerusalem and she travelled with Mary and some men who had decided to travel to Egypt where Mary gave birth to our daughter, Sarah. A few days after Mary gave birth to our daughter, Sarah, the Roman army caught up with them in Egypt. It was decided amongst the men that Rachel would be left behind in Egypt and they would secretly put Mary and our daughter, Sarah, onto a ship and have them sail northwest across to Malta, Cyprus, and then to France. Rachel was caught and tortured to death by the Roman army and she died within a very short period of time after being left behind in Egypt. Timothy was still in Israel and he didn't hear of her passing for some time. Rachel passed into the spirit world. Of course she was welcomed by myself and other people who knew her, and she had the opportunity to grow in the spirit world quite rapidly because she'd already had a strong desire for God on Earth.

The Loving Use of Mediumship: Session 2 Part 2

6. Rachel and Timothy's life on Earth in the first century (continued)

All through that time Timothy was still on Earth, and because of his feelings of the loss of his soulmate, he had a lot of grief in himself to feel. He finished up spending most of his time travelling around Europe and the Middle East, talking about the truth to others. Because of his connection with his soulmate, he never re-married after that, and he died nearly thirty years after Rachel. That gives you a bit of background about Rachel and Timothy. They were personal acquaintances of myself and Mary; they were very close friends, so they can tell you many things about myself and Mary, about life in the first century, about the things they experienced, about the things that we actually did say that are not recorded in the Bible, and so forth. But we'll have to leave all of those things for another day.

7. The use of mediumship to transmit new truths to Earth

We would like to cover four or five particular things with regard to the loving use of mediumship. The first thing we'd like to talk about with you is the underlying reason why God opened communication between spirits and mortals.

The primary reason God opened communication between people in the spirit world and people on Earth is so that the people who were of development in the spirit world could pass new truths to people on Earth.

7.1. The history of mediumship

This had been opened many, many years ago. When I say many years ago, this ability to communicate between spirits and people on Earth began almost 120,000 years ago. As a result of the ability to communicate, the Earth went through many changes; some of them were quite good changes and others were quite difficult changes. Every time spirits in the spirit world got into a space of hearing new truths, they usually tried to find a person on Earth that they could transmit this truth to. And once they found the person on Earth that they could transmit the truth to, they spent some time with the person developing them emotionally so that they could receive those truths that the person in the spirit world had discovered.

Once they did that, the person on Earth began what you would now call a religious movement. Every single religious movement, and in fact every single religious thought that ever began on Earth, began from somebody in the spirit world communicating it to a person on Earth. Unfortunately, of course, many times the communication was inaccurate. Sometimes accurate things were transmitted while at other times inaccuracies were transmitted. Of course all of these spirits were in a natural love condition of varying types so, for example, when a spirit was raised into a second sphere condition and discovered a whole new set of truths that nobody had previously discovered, that spirit generally had a strong desire to communicate those truths to others in the spirit world and others on Earth. Usually they tried to develop a person on Earth who could receive that communication. [00:04:12.14]

Now the reason Michael, who you call Michael the Archangel, is a very common person in terms of knowledge in New Age circles, but also in the Bible, is that from the second to the sixth dimension he was often one of the first persons who reached that new condition . Michael has always had a very, very strong desire to share knowledge that he discovered with other people, so he would often try to find a person on Earth and mentor that person into a condition where that person could transmit some of these truths to Earth. Once the person got into a certain kind of condition where Michael could transmit those truths, then Michael would encourage the person to spend time channelling information, as we call it now. Back in his day it was often called prophecy or doing things prophetically, but he would transmit this information to people on Earth. Often he would select a person specifically for that particular task, a person who was a bit more open and also a person who had a bit more courage than the rest of society because it would require courage to transmit new truths to a society that was resistive to those truths.

One of the primary purposes of mediumship at this point in human history was the sharing of information between a person from the spirit world, who had learned or gathered that information, to a person on Earth. Of course the person on Earth had to be of a specific development to receive that information. That was the underlying limitation with regard to the transmission of the truth. So that's purpose number one. [00:06:05.22]

7.2. The role of mediumship in cycles of progression and degradation on the Earth

With any ability that we on Earth have, there is also the ability to misuse it, and this applies to the gift of mediumship. We often misuse mediumship on the planet for many different reasons; most of them of course having to do with our emotional addictions, so an unloving use of mediumship began at the same time. The unloving use of mediumship involved spirits, who were often quite Earth-bound, communicating to people on Earth and instigating people on Earth into acts that would damage their moral and emotional condition. Unfortunately, while some individuals on Earth improved in their condition because of the openness to communicating with spirits, many people on Earth degraded their condition. Often the degradation of this condition would occur over thousands of years, often up to 16,000 years. These cycles of degradation would occur, and eventually an event would occur on Earth - what we would call an Earth change event.

When God's waves of Love were increasing, and the disharmony between God's waves of Love and the condition of the people on Earth was quite large, those disharmonies would cause a series of events to occur that would affect the Earth itself, and many people on Earth would pass into the spirit world. There would be some people left on Earth after those events, and the ones left were often people who were more open to connecting with the Earth itself and connecting to living in a more natural way. So a cycle began again where eventually those people would grow in their connection with the planet, they would grow in their knowledge, but unfortunately, once they grew in their knowledge and their condition, they were more open to spirit influence. When they became more open to spirit influence, sometimes that influence was quite negative because of the previous generations of spirits that had passed. That then often influenced the cycle back down again into the poor condition of the hells, and the Earth would then go through another period of upheaval.

As Michael pointed out to you in a previous channelling, from the time that he has been alive, we have been through seven of those cycles of improvement and degradation, improvement and degradation, on the Earth.

On one hand the improvement has occurred through the opening of the ability to communicate with spirits in higher development, but the degradation occurs because God doesn't limit a particular gift to one type of individual. As a result, many people in the spirit world and on Earth have used the gift negatively and have therefore caused the degradation on the planet as well so we go through these cycles that don't need to occur, but they occur because of the misuse of mediumship. [00:09:55.14]

One of the primary reasons we go through these negative cycles on Earth is the misuse of mediumship. Can you see how important this is? Many people on Earth, many people even right now who are involved in mediumship on Earth, have no understanding of the responsibility that mediumship entails. It has the ability to either greatly improve the condition of people on Earth or to severely negatively affect the condition of people on Earth.

Would you like to ask any questions about that?

7.3. Religious restraints upon mediumship

Participant: Thank you very much for this topic. Is that why in the Bible they basically discouraged mediumship? With a lot of Christian religion it's "You're communing with the devil," and was that just a way of stopping this degradation perhaps?

Yes. Unfortunately, many of the so-called natural laws that are now contained in the Bible and other holy books began initially because of the concerns that some individuals, who weren't affected by the negative use of mediumship at the time, had with the use of mediumship. Instead of refining the heart of the individual to improve mediumship, they decided to make a series of laws that would control mediumship.

There were two motives for this. One of the motives was to try to improve the use of mediumship. Unfortunately by saying, "No, there's a ban on it altogether," they're saying that any person who uses mediumship is classified as an individual who is under the influence of evil forces and historically many of them were put to death. Laws were initially created that caused many mediums to be put to death, which of course highly discouraged mediumship.

But there was another motive, too. The secondary motive was the motive of spirits in dark condition who were trying to prevent the transmission of truth to the Earth. Many of those spirits realised that some people on Earth who were involved in mediumship, who we often refer to as the prophets of old, were of quite good moral development. They had quite a lot of personal integrity, they had a lot of personal honesty, they were of good development, they weren't sexually permissive, they had quite a lot of good moral development that enabled them to connect to spirits who were of a higher condition. They channelled a lot of material that was completely opposite to what these darker spirits wanted to see channelled. Blocking mediumship through these laws aided the darkness to prevail. In other words it stopped the transmission of good information to the Earth. So that was a secondary purpose. [00:13:53.24]

Unfortunately the so-called "priesthood" then gained control of almost all religions on the planet. When I say the priesthood, these are people who believed that they were the intermediaries between God and men and that they could determine by force, by violence, what the people were allowed to receive or not receive. By the time that myself and Mary were born in the first century, this priesthood was firmly established, and it's always about control. It's always about control.

There was an underlying positive reason initially why people put a ban on mediumship altogether, not that there is anything positive that ever came from it. But in this process, there was also a negative response: no truth could now be easily channelled to the planet without the person having the threat of death upon their head. After that many people who channelled became recluses. They pulled away from society. They channelled a lot of information that was truthful, but they didn't give it to society because of the fear of their own death.

Participant: So that's where the courage aspect comes in that you're talking about?

Yes. There is a great need for courage when it comes to living in harmony with truth, and unfortunately many people who have heard truth in the past through this mediumship connection have not had the courage to give that information to others because of personal threats made upon them that would in most instances have resulted in their own death.

7.4. Cycles of progression and degradation on the Earth

Participant: I think I've heard you say that the general collective soul condition of humanity is actually better now than certain times in the past.

No, I haven't necessarily said that. I've said that the collective response to the investigation of truth is definitely better than it has been in the past. However, the collective moral condition of humanity right at this moment is much worse than it has been in times in the past. [00:16:23.26]

Participant: Okay. So over those sixteen periods of up and down...

Seven periods of 16,000 years each, so 130,000 years or so.

Participant: ... there hasn't been a slow increase in the soul condition of humanity?

There was an initial degradation in the condition of humanity where it went down into such a poor condition that the average person on Earth lived from twenty to thirty years of age. That was the full extent of their life on Earth, and they passed in a condition where they were little better than an animal in terms of what they would understand with regard to truth. Once spirits had reached the sixth dimension of the spirit world, from that point on humanity began a very slow rise of condition over a period of time through the channelling of information that was more positive coming from the spirit world. Now bear in mind that this is the condition of openness to truth, not necessarily the moral condition.

In times past, humanity reached a very, very good moral condition before some of these major cataclysmic events occurred, such a good moral condition that some spirits could even materialise on Earth, but unfortunately the spirits who materialised on Earth caused the degradation of Earth again, and it went downhill very rapidly after that. We've had these cycles occurring like this, but there has been a general improvement over tens of thousands of years to such a point that many of us can speak openly like we are speaking today, where sixty or seventy people can meet together openly and discuss matters of truth that are generally quite confronting to the world around us but we can do it in relative safety without somebody coming in and murdering us. That's not always been possible in the past. [00:18:47.17]

7.5. Witches and mediumship

Participant: At the time of the witches there was a lot of murdering of women. Were there also very dark spirits involved in that time?

Yes. This cycle that I have described to you, with dark sprits and bright spirits influencing the planet, has happened many times through history, and the Dark Ages was one of these times. Our presence on Earth in the first century caused a lot of light to appear on the Earth. Unfortunately, that light got distorted over a period of a few hundred years to such a point that certain people, the priesthood again, took control of this light and then packaged it in a manner that was out of harmony with truth. In the process of packaging it, they put into place some specific rules, some of them relating to mediumship. One of the rules was that if you were a medium, you were an agent of the devil; they discouraged prophecy through that process.

Around three hundred or so of these general rules were placed upon the Christian society - although I wouldn't call it very Christian because many of the people were highly violent and war-mongering. The rules created what I suppose you would call a blackout. There was a deep blackout of spirit communication for many, many hundreds of years.

These women were later called witches and generally burned alive, or they had what were called tests put upon them, which were nearly impossible to survive. If you did survive the test, you were said to be an agent of the devil and you were murdered anyway. If you died during the test, you were said to be innocent, but you died anyway, so either way there wasn't much hope of new truth being given to the Earth during that time.

7.6. Mediumship during the Reformation

Of course many of our spirit friends, including ourselves during that time, were trying to enlighten people on Earth, and this began to happen during what's called the Reformation. During the late 1400s, early 1500s, we managed to connect to spiritual people, learned men, and we helped them read some of the verses in the Bible that pertained to love. Many of them started to discover truths about love as a result, and they decided to start new religious faiths that were more loving than the past ones. Many of them died through this process but the fortunate thing that occurred during it was that more truth was able to be given to the Earth. Therefore, instead of the Catholic religion maintaining its hold upon the Christian faith, we had dispersal of many faiths occur from that point in time, all of which started to incorporate principles of love into the faith. This improved the condition of humanity on the Earth.

7.7. Mediumship and innovation on Earth

Can you see how mediumship has been a very, very important part of the development of truth upon the planet, a very important part? It has also been a very important part of the development of a lot of what we would call iniquities on the planet, a lot of very negative events on the planet. Here's a gift, a potential that all of us have to communicate with spirits; it can be used for a huge amount of good or it can be used for a huge amount of bad. The question that we have to sincerely ask ourselves is, "If we're performing mediumship for other people, are we performing it for good or bad?" Can you see that? [00:23:20.07]

Mary: Rachel was just saying to me that mediumship is happening all the time, everywhere amongst all of us, that many of the great discoveries on Earth - inventions, music, construction, many things - have been inspired by the guidance of spirits. She was saying, though, that the reason that happens so effectively is that often a person's will and desire is in harmony with love and a desire for more truth. She's saying that it often gets very murky when we start to formally do mediumship because there are other emotions that come into play, but if we remember that the initial focus of a pure will or a pure desire is what usually enables the most purity in mediumship, then that would ensure that we are all great mediums when we try to do it formally.

Participant: I know I have an error in this but I want to ask. The concept of new ideas and inspiration, does all of that come from spirits or can we actually think up new things ourselves?

The answer is quite obvious, isn't it? What's the answer? If a new idea can come from a spirit, then a new idea can certainly come from yourself, because isn't a spirit just a person? New ideas can come from any individual who's ever been created, whether they are living on Earth or in the spirit world. Unfortunately, most of the new ideas that happen on Earth are not our own because we are emotionally blocked to the inspirational parts of ourselves, the creative parts of ourselves, so a lot of the new ideas that happen on Earth are actually transmitted to us from spirits. However, in the spirit world almost every new idea that's ever conceived comes from the heart of a person in the spirit world. That includes the whole understanding of Divine Truth, which came from mine. Every person is totally capable of having inspiration come from within themselves, but to do that you have to be in quite a pure space when it comes to your creative desires. The problem that we have on Earth is that most of us are not in a pure space when it comes to our creative desires and therefore we often need to have inspiration from an external source.

All of you are totally capable of discovering something new that nobody else has ever discovered, which is awesome, isn't it? All of us are totally capable of influencing other people with our discovery, which is basically what a spirit does when he discovers something new. He goes, "Ooh, I've discovered that new thing. Ooh, it would be really handy down there on Earth. (Laughs) So let's go and talk to... oh, there's somebody, I'll talk to him, he's pretty open to that."

7.7.1. An example of Nikola Tesla

For example, a lot of the truths about electrical transmission of energy came from mediumship. Tesla was a man who was instrumental in a lot of those truths because spirits were constantly talking to him. If you read his biography you'll find that he was being influenced by spirits of all different types all the time; people around him were often quite confused by him; he frequently seemed quite disturbed because of the demand of different influences he was under at the time. [00:27:42.00]

But he had a passion to discover new things, and in engaging his passion, spirits came to him and helped guide those passions into something that was positive. In fact, right now we're using electrical energy in the manner that he discovered. We're using what's called alternating current, a form of energy here in our auditorium. Before he discovered the use of that there was only direct current, so he was an instrumental part in how we live life today.

Participant: And he hasn't been forgotten because very recently there was a new song written about him and the line says, "Nikola, we've got to make a difference." It's just been released fairly recently, so he hasn't been forgotten at all.

He was in quite a good space in the sense that he desired to improve humanity's condition through the use of energy. This is one reason he could connect with spirits who had completely different ways of looking at electrical energy to what were the pervading beliefs on Earth at the time. He was also very, very concerned about the transmission of free energy; he felt that the world would greatly benefit from free energy. Unfortunately, due to a number of different things that happened, we now have metered energy where people charge you for the delivery of energy.

7.7.2. Examples of using innovative ideas in unloving directions

Participant: He also had schematics at least for something called a death ray. Would that have been his own stuff or would that be lower spirits also jumping on the bandwagon?

Almost every person who has ever been inspired by spirits in a positive direction has generally at some point in their life also been inspired by spirits in a negative direction. In fact, many scientific discoveries have been completely inspired by very, very dark spirits. For example, mankind needed to discover things like radioactive material and the splitting of the atom; we needed to discover those kinds of things for our own progress. However, many dark spirits got involved in the discovery of those particular things and, of course, its first use was not to do with the production of energy, but rather with destroying quite a few hundred thousand people. Very sad, but that was the first use of the negative transmission of information from the spirit world about radioactivity and atomic information.

Participant: In that case, is someone like Einstein soul-wise held responsible at all for E = mc2?

Is Einstein held responsible?

Participant: Yeah, because he was part of that process of making the knowledge available.

No, I don't see the relationship. I think you're being quite distorted how you see things if you feel that way. Einstein had a very pure desire to see peace on the Earth. He discovers a scientific truth that, because of his love for people, he gives to others. They then begin using it in a negative manner. How could he be held responsible for that? Can you see that your fear is in that question? [00:31:27.11]

Participant: Yeah, sure.

You're afraid of discovering something new and giving it to someone else, and then they use it badly and then somehow you'll be to blame.

Participant: Yeah.

Right, and that's not the case. Does that make sense?

Participant: Yeah, that happened actually.

God attributes the results to the people who make the decisions out of harmony with love, not to the people who make the decisions in harmony with love. Right now you could discover a scientific truth that has the potential to destroy half the population. But if you give that scientific truth to the world from a condition of love, then you are completely absolved from anything to do with how the world then uses that particular information.

So can we see that there is a responsibility with the use of mediumship? Every one of us has the ability to connect with spirits, and many of us do so on a daily basis, as Rachel pointed out. Many of you are not even aware when you're connecting to spirits; you don't call it "mediumship," you just call it, "Ah, I've come up with a good idea." Or "Ah, that was a wonderful idea, that happened really well; my soul's pretty powerful," when it's not actually your soul but somebody in the spirit world helping you out. Many times we do take credit for something that we believe is ourself when in reality it's a spirit who's actually given us, or helped us with, that information. [00:33:02.04]

8. Mediumship from the perspective of Celestial spirits

The key thing now that we'd like to discuss with you is what the spirits who are of a higher condition see when they see many of you engaging in mediumship.

I've described to you in the past how it is like a cord of energy that's coming out of you with every unhealed emotion that you have. Remember I've described it to you as like a hook, like tentacles going out waiting to engulf somebody. If the other person is accepting of the tentacles that I've got going out, then "bang," that person is in the engulfment of this emotional addiction.

8.1. Colours of energy emanating from mediums that are visible to spirits

We would now like to describe to you what some of these hooks look like, how our spirit friends see them, and how you can begin to see what's really going on in many cases. Let's say a person has a pure desire for mediumship. What colour does that look like coming out of the soul of the person?

Mary: We'll see how accurate we are - let's both get a colour.

Peter: I get an orange.

Mary: I get like a pinky corally kind of a colour.

It's an orange coral sort of colour. Let's say the desire for mediumship is now tinged with the desire for glory or power - what does it look like now?

Mary: Well, it immediately loses its brilliance.

It no longer is this bright corally pinky orange colour.

Mary: It becomes a murky brown, like khaki kind of colour.

So there is a difference between those colours. What we need to understand is that as soon as something is tinged with an emotion that's out of harmony with love, it turns from this beautiful bright brilliant colour into this murky, totally different type of colour, and the spirit sees the difference. If you're a spirit who's motivated only by purity, what colour would you be on the lookout for? You'd be on the lookout for the coral orangey pink colour, wouldn't you? If you were a spirit who was only interested in the misuse of the mediumship and the addictive use of it, what colour would you be looking for? You'd be looking for that murky colour. Can you see the difference? [00:37:20.16]

Mary/ Rachel: Rachel's just saying that it's as if there are many Celestial beings surrounding Earth always waiting for the opportunity to connect with one of you, and it is not so much that we seek the colour but we are attracted to the colour. It is always with great joy that we are able to connect, to take that opportunity to connect. Sadly, very often, it is a colour that changes quickly. Often it is when people are in a deep sense of crisis or despair and their desire for truth becomes far more clear that we are able to connect very strongly.

Mary/ Rachel: Sadly, for many of you the colour exists and glimmers for moments, but because of the unwillingness to experience or even to acknowledge the impurities in your desires, it quickly shifts; the colour becomes distorted very quickly and changes more to a murkier colour.

With the murkier colour, what do you feel?

Mary/Rachel: Just as the brilliant colour of the pure desire has a feeling, a warmth and an attraction for us, the sudden change in colour is like a slamming of a door; it is cold, harsh and we are repelled.

8.2. Smells associated with different soul conditions

There is also a smell associated with each colour in the spirit world. We could try to describe it. I know it's difficult, but the smell associated with the pure desire for mediumship...

Mary/Rachel: This is very difficult. I will give a crude analogy because as you are aware the sense of smell is so heightened and complex here in spirit form, but if we may crudely say that the pure desire for truthful and loving spirit connection would resemble the smell of rose petals. The opposing addictive desire smells putrid, like rotting fruit, rotting food, rotting matter.

What type of spirit would be attracted to the rotting food smell and colour?

Mary/Rachel: Sadly, this would be our brothers and sisters who live in conditions of darkness surrounding the Earth, those who wish to avoid their deepest pains and shames, ones who try to avoid this smell or sense about themselves through connecting with others.

Participant: Rachel, does that mean that each of those dimensions actually smells like those colours all the time, if everybody's matching that level?

Mary/Rachel: Yes. If you could imagine each sphere that we traverse as a complete sensory experience. It not just has a smell or a sight, but our own spirit bodies feel particular ways within these spheres that we traverse during our development. So, yes, those in hellish conditions experience a smell around them, but also they feel repulsed by the smell of their own condition. The condition reflected around a person is indicative of their own soul and spirit condition. They perceive the smell as coming from their surroundings, but in fact it belongs to their own condition.

Participant: Would that not be something that would start to stimulate them to change?

Mary/Rachel: As with everything in God's universe, all things are geared toward the stimulus of change towards love.

But if you want to believe that it's something outside of yourself that's creating that smell, then you're probably not going to look at yourself first, are you? [00:42:32.29]

Mary/Rachel: Many of you would prefer to look at things outside of yourselves and blame them for the sadness and unhappiness that you feel. This is not a condition you need to use while you have a physical body. After passing, that same injury stays with many people and they prefer to blame their surroundings for their discomfort, for the smell, for their lack of peace and happiness when, as you rightly point out, God has designed everything such that we would begin to look within us to what injury may be creating these situations.

The whole universe is geared for you to look internally, but unfortunately the majority of us are very resistive to that, and whenever anything's unpleasant, we blame something externally.

8.3. The experience of visiting the hells from a Celestial spirit's perspective

Participant: Is it difficult for a Celestial spirit to enter the hells to try and help?

Mary/Rachel: No. Let me be more detailed in this answer. It is true that the conditions within the hells are in very much discord with our own condition. We do not resonate with anything within the hells once we have reached such a closeness with God, so it's not our desire to be there just to pass the time. (Mary laughs) It is a loving desire that draws us to these locations. We do have to alter some of our own connection with God ... that is not the correct way to say it, but this is the way that Mary conveys it.

If I can explain it, because I think Mary's going to struggle with this bit. What has to happen is that you detune your sensory apparatus, if you like, in your spirit body as you enter the hells. If you're a Celestial spirit, you detune the sensors; you observe everything and if you choose to smell it you can smell it but it has no effect on you. It does not enter you, nor does it infiltrate your spirit body's condition or your soul condition. But it's still present. [00:45:03.05]

Mary/Rachel: We have an awareness of the filth and the smell of the conditions surrounding us, but as each of you will experience as you progress in love, this love also affords you more tolerance of such things. These things are not your preference, but you do not feel a need to reject or resist.

Maybe I can give a physical illustration. Imagine that a rotting carcass full of maggots is dropped at your front door. Many of us would open the front door, see the rotting carcass full of maggots, smell it and what would we do? You'd go, "Urgh, shocking!" You'd rave on and carry on about how bad it is and, "I've got to fix this straight up," and you'd put on masks and clothes and gloves and away you'd go trying to get rid of the mess. That's what you would do. Now a Celestial doesn't respond to it the same way. A Celestial spirit would see it as it is but not feel so internally repelled by the experience.

Mary/Rachel: For it is viewed with eyes of love. In the example that you give, there is an acknowledgement of the animal that is a part of God's creation, the process of decay, which is also a part of God's creation, and there is a respect for all of these processes. But please keep in mind, as I say, this is not an intellectual way of distancing ourselves from this process. It is more an encompassing feeling of love for the entire process.

Because of that feeling of love, the smells and the tastes and the other things that bombard you don't enter you. The feelings of love that you have combat the... ..."combat" is probably not the right word either.

Mary/Rachel: If we relate this analogy to our service to those in the hellish spheres, there is a sense of love for the condition that the person finds themselves in. There is compassion; there is a complete understanding of the situations that have led the person to be in this state. Again, many of you are tempted to consider this in an intellectual fashion and generate compassion; however, it is for ourselves a feeling of love that encompasses all of these things simultaneously, which means that we do not feel repulsion for the person or their situation. More, it is this loving desire that we connect with them in the state they are in and assist them, which means that we do not find it so horrific to be in the hells.

8.4. An example of mediumship nights held by the group

Can I also point out that within the mediumship nights that you do, when you hear a spirit in a poor condition come to speak, many of you have feelings towards that spirit that are very, very dark. You'll often have feelings of rage or anger towards the spirit, or you'll laugh at the spirit and think it's quite humorous that the spirit's going through pain that you don't understand. Now these are not the feelings that a Celestial spirit has for those particular people, and this is where our mediumship and mediumship nights can rapidly become very out of harmony with love. You've got to be very careful about that. Do you want to comment about that? Because Angelo will want to comment too. [00:49:18.13]

Mary/Rachel: Perhaps my brother Angelo is better to speak upon this topic. We wish to say that there are many of us present as you gather on these nights to speak with spirits; however, our ability to assist those spirits and yourselves is severely impeded by this lack of desire to serve anyone other than yourselves through these gatherings. When each of you develops more of a sincere desire to assist those around you, but also to assist those in these lower spheres, we are able to act far more immediately and meaningfully in terms of the guidance that we may provide to yourselves and to those who are struggling to leave these dark conditions.

Peter/Angelo: With the Thursday night mediumship that happens at Kyabra, often a brave spirit comes to visit and that brave spirit who's in a courageous moment has come and is surrounded by many other spirits who are part of that group or watching. As soon as there's any condemnation of that spirit, those other spirits then leave, and instead of helping many, we start to only help one or two or a few.

Mary/Rachel: In fact those spirits who come to you on these evenings display a great deal of humility, and this is a point that many of you neglect. They actually display more humility than those in the group.

Can I illustrate how?

Mary/Rachel: Yes.

Many of you in the group would not openly talk about your life to a heap of strangers who have a sense of ridicule about your life, is that not true? And yet many of these spirits are coming to you talking openly about their life, risking your ridicule. That tells us that they are already more humble than you are, and yet you laugh at them, do you see?

Peter/Angelo: It is their desire to know more that brings them, and there's an opportunity in that they bring all those around them at the same time. Generally at the moment we only help a few rather than many.

Mary/Rachel: An essential ingredient to loving mediumship is the respect and honour of those that you communicate with. This is the most meaningful. Oftentimes the way that we connect with those in darker conditions than ourselves is through the love that we display to those in spirit. If we may draw the comparison between our work in the Celestial realms helping people in lower spheres to your exercises in mediumship here on Earth, the way that we approach the assistance of others in lower spheres is through having a deep honour and respect for each person as a child of God who has had a unique life experience that has led them to whatever point we meet them.

For yourselves, often there is still a deep delineation between yourselves in the flesh and those in spirit. You often neglect the fact that these are people who have had a unique life experience, one that you have the opportunity to begin to understand but do not yet understand at the beginning of your interactions with them. Without holding this sense of respect and honour for them as a child of God, and in that way your equal, the rapport that you are able to establish with them severely lessens.

9. Developing a pure desire for mediumship

9.1. Developing a pure desire to be of service

Participant: Is it true then that we can be a great instrument because we're closer to the lower spheres? In my mind there's all this talk and all this worry about "I'm not developed in love enough to do this," but is it really the willingness to do it?

Mary/Rachel: Certainly. Many of you use these words as a way of avoiding the fact that a sincere desire to be of service to others is the most vital ingredient to be in service of others. This sense that "I am not of the right development" is actually a way to avoid a desire to assist a brother or a sister, and in fact it is this desire to be of service in a pure sense that heightens one's development greatly.

Mary/ Rachel: Many of you become engrossed and embroiled in many issues surrounding your childhoods and your desire to hold onto anger, and it's this desire to hold onto anger that means very few of you have a sincere desire to be of service. It is very difficult to hold onto a sense of righteous anger and desire to serve those around you. If each of you were to consider and pray about this issue within yourselves, you would be far better prepared once you've released this sense of righteous anger. It is not even about releasing the entirety of your anger, but coming to see the truth about your anger - that it is not righteous \-- and also the truth that each of us has the ability right now to serve another person around us.

Mary/ Rachel: Many people we observe on the planet believe just the opposite truth - that they are righteous in their anger and that they have no ability to serve others. If the world were to come into more of a sense of truth that no anger is righteous and that each of us has the ability to serve immediately, many great issues would be resolved upon the planet and we ourselves as Celestial beings would be able to serve through this pure desire to serve that one of you may hold. We could serve in conjunction with you.

If I can add, too, it's very difficult for many of our Celestial friends, and we make it very difficult for our Celestial friends, to be able to assist the Earth. The reason we make it difficult is that we don't have a pure desire to serve, so they can't request our assistance in getting things done that need to be done for the Earth to change. We barely even have to change our own condition to get into a desire to serve; this is the wonderful thing. [00:57:08.08]

Mary/Rachel: This is the point we wish to make strongly, and once this pure desire to serve exists in the heart of an individual, many of you would be shocked to see how rapidly a Celestial being is able to join with that person, how rapidly this association occurs, and how exponentially the potential grows in terms of the value and the quality and the scope of the service. Some of you have big dreams of how you would wish to serve and change the world, and yet you see yourselves from the limited viewpoint of where you sit now and the resources that you have now.

Mary/ Rachel: We say to you if you were just to trust this very pure sincere desire to serve, if you were to grow this within yourselves, there is a great amount that we would be able to do to assist you because when one person has the pure desire to serve in their heart and they begin to act on this desire, they are no longer one person serving, there are many of us who join immediately. But we are only enabled to join by this pre-requisite condition within the soul of the individual, which is the sincere desire to serve our brothers and sisters.

That's very nice. Does everyone understand that?

9.1.1. An example of people serving at AJ and Mary's events

Look at our practical situation. Many times we have these gatherings where there are forty or fifty or one hundred people together, and it is still very difficult for Mary and me to find a person who is willing to hand the microphone around. That's because the majority of us don't have a desire to serve. We have a desire to sit there and absorb, or we're afraid. We're afraid of doing that job, which is really being self-absorbed, or we have a desire to sit down and enjoy but without having to share or participate in making it happen. This is why you often find exactly the same people doing exactly the same things. They are the people who do have a desire to serve. They're not desiring to serve me, they're desiring to serve you.

When Igor does the stuff to put on the Internet, it doesn't benefit me. I already know the material, I don't even watch it. (Laughter) He's doing it for you, and because of that some Celestial spirits can connect to him and help and guide him through that process. That's just an example of what they are saying. [01:00:16.18]

9.2. The importance of a pure desire and humility for mediumship

Mary/Rachel: In reference to the question by the audience member about the feeling that one is not in the correct development to begin to serve through mediumship, we simply wish to add that if one has two vital ingredients, they are able to use their mediumship with a great deal of love and effectiveness. One is this pure desire to serve, which we have outlined; the second is your own humility. This involves these things: if you are able to remain humble in your dealings with spirits, if you do not feel that you must have all of the answers but are open instead to the guidance and inspiration which is already with you through your sincere desire to be of service, and if you are willing to be humble to your own errors and injuries that exist within yourself and discuss these with the spirit also. Even your own trials and your own problems with overcoming anger can assist a spirit greatly to have a higher level of self-awareness of their own troubles with anger, for example. Within that communication, one of the many Celestial brothers and sisters who wish to assist not only the spirit but also yourself is able to provide far more inspiration. It is not only the desire to be of service, but also your own humility to the issues that exist within yourself that will enable this to flow smoothly.

And perhaps the third, fairly important ingredient is to understand that mediumship doesn't only occur when you sit down and try to do mediumship. It can occur whenever you are in a passionate desire of your own. Let's say you had a passionate desire for music and you had a passionate desire to serve and you had a passionate desire to stay humble. In that place, many Celestial spirits can connect to you and inspire you with lyrics and songs and the actual writing of the music. All of these things can be inspired that will potentially benefit thousands of people, if not millions. You could say that your passion, desire and humility and desire to serve combine to attract a spirit with very similar passions and desires, with a similar desire for humility and desire to serve, and together you now have the ability to create something that will affect the entire world.

Unfortunately, when we start doing things that have the ability to affect the entire world, many of us flick into the impure desire to serve. Now we're doing it because we're self-serving; we want glory, attention, approval, we want people to say that we did it all, and now we've gone from that pure coral to the very dark brown and putrid smelling thing. And, of course, now all of those good spirits have to step back from us. Then what other spirits are going to step in? All of those dark spirits will step in and they will use your impure desire and your lack of humility and your inability to serve others, and they will use that for their own ends in a negative way. Can you see how it can go from one to the other quite rapidly if we're not careful and if we don't work through our emotional issues? [01:04:28.07]

9.3. Developing a pure desire to be of service (continued)

Participant: For me desire to serve is a really confusing issue because I spent years as a monk, intellectually in that space, where literally every day of my life I was in service. It was really in theory, not about anything that I owned or anything. I felt like I was just doing a path; it wasn't a genuine feeling.

So who were you serving?

Participant: I don't know, it could have been myself perhaps. But my question is more that currently I still don't feel this feeling like, "Oh I want to go out of my way to serve." That's the reality.

And it's good to admit that. But can I point out to not just yourself, Alexis, that many in the audience have this problem: you're actually in an angry place about service. When you say you don't have a desire to serve, the reality is unfortunately even a little worse than that. There is a strong feeling inside many of us that we do not want to serve anybody, we're sick of serving anybody, we're sick of having to do. When you start connecting with the emotion, you start feeling all of that rage inside that says, "I'm not going to do that, why should I have to do that?" That's the real feeling that we actually have. Our Celestial friends would like to encourage you to actually address that emotion, actually go through the process of feeling the rage of that emotion and feeling the fear that's under it. There are fears under it and there's quite a lot of grief about why we feel that way too.

We've been forced to do things in the past or we've done things in the past thinking that they're good when they haven't turned out good for us or for others, so we have a lot of fears and also grief to feel about service. This is one of the reasons we're resistive to the desire to serve. The truth is that when you connect with a pure desire to serve, you receive so much joy from it that's it's very, very hard to resist. If we're not receiving joy from our desire to serve, it's because of our rage about what's happened in our past. [01:06:58.27]

Participant: Yeah. I was going to say, when somebody asks me for help, I feel fine with it, but it's different in feeling. Like even with the mediumship thing, I start to feel everything the spirit feels and it feels so horrible that I feel like I've just got to deal with this, so it's still a reluctance.

Can you see that there is an underlying reluctance that needs to be addressed, but can you also see inside of you there's still this spark of compassion that drives your service?

Participant: Yeah, when I feel it, I really want to help them.

When you feel that compassion start to grow then your desire to serve increases. What is the impediment? The impediment is still the rage and the anger, what's happened in the past with regard to service, which needs to be released from you. The majority of people, we find, are actually in the condition where they will not admit even to themselves that they want to come to one of these events and just be able to sit there and enjoy the whole thing rather than do anything.

When you think about our day-to-day life, we often have expectations, like we want somebody else to make the meal for us, we don't like to make the meal for somebody else. How many of you ladies would love your husband's to make a meal for you? And that's probably never happened for some of you for as long as you can remember because the man in that case does not have the desire to serve, he just wants to sit there and absorb what's given to him.

There are many circumstances in our lives where we actually have anger going out to the environment, and what we're really saying is "I want all of you plebs to serve me." That's really how we feel many of the times. We need to go, "Okay, for a start it's very arrogant and not a very responsible position." Once we truly connect with some compassion for everybody around us we go, "Ah, wow, I'd like to be able to help this person that way."

For example, you notice somebody who's having a struggle with their family, and you know how to sort out some of those issues, so you might offer your assistance. Now they might reject you, and many of us are afraid of rejection so we don't even offer. We wait until somebody asks because we're afraid of the potential of rejection. Our Celestial friends are not afraid of the potential of rejection, they are not afraid of it at all. Many of them get rejected every day and they still offer. (Laughter) Many of them have been rejected every day from you, but they still offer. [01:10:06.25]

Mary/Rachel: We wish to point out that many of you in your lives have begun to have a distorted sense of what it is to serve. For many of you, in your life experience, many things have been demanded of you, and you have been obliged to serve, but you have also been obliged by your families and your environment to deny your very selves, your very true natures. For many of you now, this idea of service is attached to many issues that you have a great deal of grief about: the denial of yourself, the denial of your own personality, the denial of your desires, hard work, and receiving no other benefit from service other than approval.

Mary/ Rachel: Now for ourselves, we are not attached to the sense of approval because we understand that service is an expression of our true selves and our true desires, that it comes from a deep sense of passion within ourselves, and that is why when we are rejected there is very little sorrow involved. Especially after at-onement, there is no sorrow. As you develop, you will begin to experience these situations where you connect with more of a pure desire to serve that is grounded within yourself and your own personality. You will begin to serve, and all of those old griefs or impurities in the desire will be confronted in you. There may be some sadness to feel as you progress. However, the more you progress, the more you will find that service is a very invigorating pastime once you align yourself with the loving understanding of what service is and once love and not addiction motivates you in your desire to serve.

9.3.1. An example of serving through music

Perhaps if I can give another example, a practical one where, let's say, you have a desire to serve humanity by using your music as an art to give to people. You start developing that by practising your music; you practise your presentation so you have an engaging presentation and the very first gig that you do, you get up and go there expecting that somebody is going to listen to you and not a single person comes.

Now a person who's in their true passion and desire would actually look at that and go, "Wow, I must have wanted and expected people to come; otherwise there'd be people here. Now there's obviously something wrong going on with my passion and desire here." They can use that opportunity to refine it in that moment and then change it.

Fab just told me of some recent experiences he's had where he went along to a pub with a lot of judgement about people getting drunk and alcohol and so forth. He went along to the pub to play a gig and nobody listened and hardly anybody was there. They all just went away from Fab and nobody listened, so Fab was just playing and singing there with no audience. Then he realised what was going on and connected to the same desire to serve that he had before then, but this time he connected to it more purely by dealing with some emotions about what he was expecting from the audience. He was wanting them to like his songs, wanting them to give him approval, those kinds of emotions. He worked through some of that and then he realised that if he really loved them he would think about what they would like and prepare some things they would like. [01:14:06.18]

So he involved love songs that Fab likes, that he's passionate about, which he thought might connect to them. There were also his guides, who realised in this process that yeah, sad men go to drink because they're sad about love, so there's also a bit of external influence now. Fab practises a lot of these love songs. A lot of the men there like heavy metal, but Fab goes along with these soft love songs and sits down and starts playing them. This time instead of judging the audience, he's coming from this point of wanting to give something to them, and now they all gather around him listening. Why is that? Because he has now refined his desire to give.

The problem we face with our mediumship is that often we're not doing any of that; we're not doing the refining process. We notice the spirit who comes to us and we go, "Urgh, that was a very nasty spirit. I don't like him very much. Oh, boy, he's pretty...." and we have all these judgements, not realising that in that very moment we're often darker than the spirit who's come to us for assistance. In that moment we're often way, way out of harmony of any self-reflection.

9.3.2. An example of serving through mediumship

Mary: I feel Pete is very humble in that he has decided he wants to serve through his mediumship and he puts himself up in front of all of you and faces not only the spirits but also any feelings that are amongst the group. And he's also constantly desiring feedback on his own - how clear he is with Angelo. He's talking to Angelo all the time, all throughout his day, desiring to understand more of their connection and what he can learn from Angelo. I feel like it shows more pure desire to serve when we're willing to take risks in our service.

Participant: Just a little bit on that refinement, Yeshua. I've been doing a little bit of mediumship lately and I've noticed from the feedback that there are elements of my own injuries within that mediumship. Is that for us to really work on for more purity to come through?

Yes. It's important to understand, in particular with the gift of mediumship, but actually with any gift that we have, that we often begin it with a lot of impure desires, although there is often this seed, this underlying spark or seed of true passionate desire intermingled with these other impure desires. If we're humble to see, we will actually see many things about what's going on if we embrace the process of doing what we desire. In Fab's case with the music, he embraces a process, gets some feedback, knows that he's got to do something himself, deals with that thing, goes back and tries the same thing again, and this time there's a completely different outcome. [01:17:21.25]

9.4. The importance of a pure desire and humility for mediumship (continued)

It's exactly the same with our mediumship. We embrace our process, embrace our desire, often some spirits will come to us who are a mirror of our own emotional injuries or have some kind of compatibility or sympathy with our own emotional injuries, and if we're sitting there judging them, in reality all we're doing is judging ourselves. We're the ones who attracted them in the first place to talk with us. We need to go, "Okay, this time again, I've got a very angry woman with me. Hmm, that's very interesting. Why do these angry women find it so easy to speak through me?" Now there can only be two possible explanations. One is that we are very angry and they find it very easy to connect. The other is that we're very afraid of angry women and they find it very easy to connect. We need to be self-analytical and examine that.

If we deal with that and examine it in a loving manner instead of condemning the spirit we've attracted, if we deal with it in a loving manner, then of course we're going to have a very, very different outcome. What I find happening a lot is that people are condemning the spirits that are with them. In fact, many of you have been very angry and rageful with the spirits you've attracted into your life, not understanding that you attracted them, not understanding that it's something inside you, something to do with your condition that attracted them. This is where we often have a deep lack of humility in the process. This is why Rachel raised the issue of humility in regard to our service.

We need to learn to be humble in our service. If we're humble with our service, we will automatically notice the areas where we're out of harmony, where there's a consistent thing happening in our Law of Attraction. If we can see it happening we'll start to address it, and that's beautiful. The beauty of it is that these same spirits that we think we're helping are actually helping us to go through many things that we still need to work through. If we see it in this nice humble way, we would start to have a lot more self-reflection in the process.

Peter: With that humility, Angelo talks often to me about the embarrassment of a feeling that you get when you are with a spirit, or a feeling I'm wanting to avoid and not allowing to take place in the moment.

Quite often in the moment you need to feel something and you're often not feeling it.

Peter: Yeah, and if you need to cry, just allow yourself to cry in that moment because it's bringing up something that I've got in myself.

9.4.1. An example of a participant angry with her great-grandfather

Participant: I feel my great-grandfather is with me. He wouldn't let any of his seven or eight daughters get married. I've recently become aware of his presence around me, and I find it hard not to be angry with him. I understand that there's no righteous anger...

Well, if you understood there is no righteous anger, you wouldn't be getting angry with him, so you don't really understand that yet, it's just an intellectual concept.

Participant: I guess when I just feel my emotion, I'll feel compassion for him too.

No, now you're trying to manufacture something you don't feel. You feel anger for him. Why do you feel anger?

Participant: I feel a pressure coming from him. I'm trying to feel my emotion, but he doesn't want me to. I feel he wants me to stay where he wants me so he can control me. That's what I feel.

I agree.

Participant: And I feel that's where a lot of my pain comes from, that attitude of a man towards the woman.

Can you see that if you fully embrace that emotion, the grief that you feel about a male attempting to control you, you'd actually release a lot of grief? Instead you choose to get angry. Can you see that your choice to get angry is actually taking you farther away from healing the emotion? You see, once you feel the grief of his oppression, you will close the hole of his oppression inside of you and he will no longer be able to repress you. The grief that you feel, the grief that's present within you that you're not allowing yourself to feel, is causing the attraction so that you can feel that grief. But instead of feeling it you're just getting angry with him. You're actually preventing yourself from healing and at the same time degrading your own condition by getting angry with him for being attracted to you because of the grief inside of you. Can you see?

Participant: I've only just become aware of this influence in the last fortnight, so yeah, I guess.

Mary/Rachel: Rachel wants to add something. As Jesus points out, the issue is the idea that the anger is righteous, that this man is wrong, and that you are right to be angry. If you are able to release this feeling within yourself and merely see your anger as indicative of how much pain is within you, you will be more apt to release the anger and get to the pain. It is while you hold on to the sense of injustice, that he is wrong, that you maintain a sense of being justified in your anger.

Mary/ Rachel: This is the major thing that you must shift. There may still be anger within you, but it will flow out of you. This holding onto the sense that he is wrong, and you are right to be angry, is what keeps this as a repetitive cycle for you. If you can release this belief about righteousness to be angry, which is an emotion that at present you understand intellectually, if you can find the emotion within yourself surrounding the injustice and release this, then your anger will flow. It will not dissolve, it will flow out of you and you will be in connection with the pain and grief you have surrounding this issue.

And when the anger flows out of you, it may flow out within a very short period of time.

Mary/Rachel: Yes, most definitely.

If you fully connect to it, it will flow out of you in seconds rather than in hours and you'll very, very rapidly get to the grief of the oppression of a man trying to control you, a woman, in that place. You will grieve that and in the process of grieving that, the hole inside of you allowing this to occur covers over and now it doesn't matter what a man tries to oppress you with - it has no effect on you at all. You won't even feel it in fact. You won't even notice him there unless you chose to connect, "Oh, is my grandfather here? Oh, yes I can see you; still got the same thing with women?" But it won't bother you anymore and you will not feel oppressed by it. [01:26:05.14]

Participant: Thank you so much.

9.5. The issue of anger with spirits we attract

Can I just refer to this issue we have about getting angry with spirits that we attract to ourselves? This is an indicator of our lack of humility. Every time we get angry with the spirits we are attracting, we are not understanding that many times these spirits are attracted to us and they have no idea why they are attracted to us. In fact, you have more of an idea why they are attracted to you than they do because you are more educated in the principles of truth than they are. Oftentimes they just feel drawn to you and they don't even understand why. They just go, "I don't know, I just feel like for some reason this really nasty woman's always pulling me in to her." They feel, "Why are they doing that? I don't understand," and often they are in a place of not even understanding why they are there.

On top of that, they get sworn at for being there, and then they get even more indignant, as you would if you felt you were being misunderstood. And yet you are the person who knows more truth; you know, and you've been told many times, that they are attracted to you because of something in your emotional condition that causes the attraction. They don't even know that, they're not even aware of that. If we really love them, we need to become aware that we already know more intellectually, so there is greater responsibility on us to work through the issue of why we are attracting them rather than blaming them and attacking them for being around us. [01:27:50.04]

Mary/Rachel: If we may add to that from a Celestial perspective: when we view these interactions from our condition, it is as if you tussle with each other - these Earth-bound spirits and those of you in the Earth plane. If we may give you the image of a dog fight, it is of each of you snarling and biting and grabbing at each other, placing the blame upon the other. The Earth-bound spirit and the person who they are attracted to or who is attracting them, many times each desires to blame the other. This is one of the conditions that keeps any soul in the condition of the hells - the desire to blame or to avoid our own pain and make it the problem of another. While you continue this, it is very difficult for us to intercede in such a dog fight, and it is very circular. It keeps both the spirit and the individual, and many times it is many spirits and many individuals, in very similar situations. It keeps them in this very low state.

Mary/ Rachel: If you are able to cease your desire to shift the blame and to avoid your pain, and acknowledge the truth just as Jesus suggests, this enables us to make a connection with you. The circular action is ceased and you are standing for yourself taking some more responsibility for yourself; in this way there is some truth within you. We are able to connect to you once there is some desire for truth or some acknowledgment of truth within you.

Mary/ Rachel: Truth enables us equal opportunities. It is an equal opportunity quality. Once a person, no matter what their condition, desires truth, they have the opportunity to connect with God and a Celestial being almost immediately.

Can you see too, Cecily, how this dog fight thing is really important to understand? It's like Mary being really upset with me about something she feels I am doing to her and I'm being really upset with Mary about something that I feel she's doing to me. So I hit her, she hits me, I hit her, she hits me, I hit her, she hits me. Where are we going? We're going into escalating violence towards each other, are we not? But now if I hit her and instead of her hitting me back she just had a cry, there is not going to be an escalation of that violence. Or if she hit me and instead of hitting her back I had a cry, then there'd be less of a chance of escalating violence as well.

Mary: What Rachel's saying is that if I hit you and you have a cry, given how similar our conditions are, if you start crying about the pain you're in, it's actually quite likely that I start crying...

...about having hit me. Because of the Law of Attraction, often we have very similar emotions that would have caused the attraction in the first place.

Mary: And then Rachel's saying further, if I hit him, he has a cry and then he reaches out in love to me...

...and hug her...

Mary: ... it's definitely going to change me.

Can you see that? Many of us are choosing to "hit" the spirit, and what can we expect back from a fairly dark spirit? Of course he's probably going to "hit" me back. And so I hit him again, and I get hit back again. I'm not seeing him but I feel these emotions towards him, these emotions are hitting him or her, so what is she going to feel? She's going to feel like she wants to hit me, isn't she? Yet I'm the person who's learned more about the truth, intellectually obviously, but not in my heart yet. I've learned it here intellectually but I've learned enough to know that hitting them is wrong in the first place, haven't I? Obviously not. [01:32:52.04]

Mary: Obviously not, and this is what Rachel is saying about this condition of righteous anger in our hearts - they are wrong so I am right, they hit me and that is wrong, I am right to be angry.

I am right to hit back.

Mary: She's saying that it's a big emotion for the group in general, and if you can work on that you won't be as apt to hit back.

When we were in the States, I gave a talk about the power of love over evil. In that talk I outlined what I called the psychology of evil. One of the things I mentioned about the psychology of evil is this idea that there is such a thing as righteous anger. There have been many wars, huge numbers of murders, rapes, and all sorts of things on this planet because somebody was righteously enraged, and we often put it into play with our spirit friends. Notice that most of the time I even call the dark spirits our spirit friends, because are they not just people who have been damaged the same as we have? While they might not be too friendly at the moment, we have the chance to turn every one of them into friends.

Historically I have known of many, many people - obviously in two thousand years of life you get to observe and meet many people - who have been tortured to death and have then become best of friends with their torturer through a process of forgiveness and repentance. They are not in a state of righteous anger with them. This is very powerful to understand.

Mary: That's what happened with Angelo's friend, wasn't it? He didn't hold onto to anger.

Peter: Yes.

9.5.1. An example of a participant who is denying her anger and who is alone

Participant: I don't find that I have a lot of anger. I find that I've been alone most of my life; I find that I now seem to be asking spirits to come and be with me and help me.

Can I ask one of our spirit friends whether they feel you have a lot of anger?

Participant: Yes, sure, that would be good.

And if they can answer honestly... the mediums are going to have trouble with this.

Mary: Well, Rachel's wants to point out that you do have a lot of anger. You don't express it, but it is partly what pushes people away, this sense of anger.

It's one of the reasons that you've been alone a lot of your life. Can you see straight away that you have a feeling inside of you that that's not true, so go with that. Go with that feeling that that's not true. We've had a Celestial spirit say "Look, you do have a lot of anger..."

Mary: Just see what Angelo says.

Peter: Yeah, I got the same thing. I got that it was related to the loneliness.

It's certainly related to the loneliness. But if you go into a state of, "Oh that's not true, I don't feel anger on a day-to-day basis, I'm not a very angry person on a day-to-day basis," and let yourself feel that, then can you see straight away there's quite a lot of resistance to being told the truth about the anger? [01:37:00.00]

Participant: Yes, I can. Is that because I had to suppress my anger as a child?

There are lots of reasons and that's certainly one of them, but there's also an internal judgement that you have of anger. What are your internal judgements of anger? What do you feel about anger? When other people are angry what do you feel?

Participant: Oh, I want to run away and hide. I don't like to see any anger at all.

So you're frightened of anger.

Participant: Yes.

That's one internal judgement that you have towards it. Is there anything else you feel about anger? Do you feel it's very spiritual?

Participant: No it's not, I don't find it very spiritual, I find it not a very nice thing to have.

On the few occasions you've ever let yourself feel anger, what have you felt afterwards?

Participant: I don't know whether I've ever let myself feel complete anger.

There are some times that you have in the past; you have to go back a fair while, though.

Participant: I know as a child I had dreadful temper tantrums.

And what did you feel afterwards?

Participant: After the age of three I didn't have them anymore.

What happened before then; what did mum and dad do when you had them?

Participant: My mother ignored me and my father picked me up and recited poetry to me.

Okay, so both of them suppressed you in some way with the expression of it. And when's the last time you ever remember being angry in a way that you feel is angry?

Participant: Possibly when my ex-husband told me that if my nephews were coming out for the holidays, which they had since my brother died, he was going to go away. I told him to keep on going. I know I was angry then.

Okay, so that's the last time you remember?

Participant: Well, that was the one that came to me.

That's fine. What I'm trying to illustrate to you in this discussion is that firstly our Celestial spirit friends see something totally different inside of you than you see yourself. That's the number one thing to remember. The beauty of some spirit communication is that we have the ability to be very humble and accept what they're saying to us if we know we're connecting to a Celestial spirit. You might say, "Oh I don't think Mary is," and that's fine. You can have that assumption. You can say, "Oh, I don't think Peter is either." The reality is that I would have said the same thing to you so, "I don't think AJ is either." You can hold onto your own opinion, you can choose to do that. [01:40:25.10]

But the alternative is also possible. You could say, "Wow, if they're saying that I've got a fair bit of anger inside of me, then perhaps I have, and I could start praying about that: "Help me see the anger, help me have some dreams that help me to connect to some anger. Help me from day-to-day to see what my blockages are to this feeling of anger that I have." And you can allow yourself to actually conceive the possibility of an alternative explanation.

The reason I ask that question of our spirit friends and not the question you asked is that a lot of times I feel a very large amount of anger from you, and that tells me that there is definitely anger within you. You've just become very detuned from it, you've distanced yourself emotionally from the anger, and this is actually causing you to distance yourself from your own soul, to push your own soul away. When you start to feel the anger that's present, you will actually be closer to your own soul and therefore more in tune with its other emotions.

Many of us detune ourselves from one particular emotion or a group of emotions that we don't like. Shame is one of those emotions; anger is another of those emotions that we judge a lot. For men, fear is an emotion they detune from quite strongly. We push that emotion away, not realising that while we're pushing that emotion away, we are distancing ourself from our own soul. We are causing a situation inside of ourselves where we now cannot feel any emotions very strongly, or we're very selective about which ones we feel, and therefore we don't have the ability to heal them.

Participant: Thank you.

You can continue with the question if you wish. Do you remember it now or do you think that's enough?

Participant: I don't remember now.

No worries.

Mary: What was your name, sorry?

Participant: Catherine.

So, Catherine, my feelings are that if you allow yourself to conceive of the possibility that you are angry inside rather than telling yourself that you're not a very angry person, then ask questions of God and your guides about helping you come to see what you're angry about, it will actually help you see why aloneness has been created in your life. Your original question was actually about aloneness and the fact that you are quite often feeling alone.

Participant: Well, I take myself away from everyone else.

You do.

Mary: And I feel that one of the reasons you're blocked to knowing that you're angry is that you feel no one will love you if you're angry. I feel that's partly why you take yourself away from people as well. There's a lot of sadness about just feeling unlovable, as the real Catherine.

Part of the anger, Catherine, is a feeling that it's pointless being around anybody because nobody loves me. There is some anger in that, can you see that? "Why should I spend time with anybody? Nobody loves me anyway."

Participant: Yes, I suppose that's right.

You will find that with every problem we have, there is always a linkage between the problem and what we are denying in ourselves. This is where it's very, very important that if we use mediumship we're open to hearing the truth about the condition from our spirit friends rather than what we think is the truth about the condition. The beauty of our spirit friends - like both Angelo and Rachel and Tim in this discussion, but there are obviously many thousands of Celestial spirit friends with us at the moment, your own guides are with us at the moment - the beauty of their condition is that they see very accurately every single emotion we are denying, every single one. [01:44:56.29]

If I am humble enough to hear from them, I have a unique opportunity to hear from a person who can actually see the emotion that's stored in me. I relish every discussion I have with my spirit friends about my emotional condition, even when they tell me I have things that I can't recognise.

10. Connecting with our spirit guides

Mary: I just have one more point on our discussion as well, from Rachel. When we were in Greece I had a lovely experience right before our first talk when a group of spirits who were guiding the people who came to the talk came to me. They wanted to give practical tips for people to stay in connection with their spirit guides and guardians, which was really lovely. I'll type them up and put them on the blog in the next couple of days because I feel they're very relevant for everyone.

I think there were about six or seven practical tips.

Mary: Six or seven, and they're very practical, grounded things. One of them is drinking a lot of water. Obviously I had some difficulty with today's exercise and Rachel was just talking to me there at the end. The last point that she wants to say to everyone is to regard your guide as your friend, as someone who's had a life on Earth and someone who has been allocated to you because their personality or their life on Earth is very similar to your own.

Mary: Rachel told me that today was going to be very powerful for me and I had no idea why, but she's been encouraging me and having me encourage other people for quite some time, to get to know the life of your guide when they were on Earth and in the spirit world. I think it's because that increases their rapport with us. She wanted me to share that bit at the end, encouraging you to open up to, "Who is this character? Who's there to guide me?" Very often we use our mediumship in a selfish manner of, "What can I get from this person, come on, give me the answer." Actually we do ourselves a disservice because if we're open to their life and we have more of a friendship connection with them, not only can they give us answers much more easily, but there's also more of a love exchange. It's more of a personal relationship.

And I'd just like to point out something with regard to Angelo. Many of you have been hearing for months from Angelo and yet many of you have never even asked him anything about his own life. Have you noticed that? You have never even asked him about his own life, and this is an indication of how selfish we sometimes are in our interactions with spirits. We just want them there to give us something for ourselves or for some other purpose that's addictive, but very rarely do we want to actually have an increasing friendship or a bond of friendship, and a friendship involves knowing the person. [01:49:09.13]

One of the first things I do whenever I connect with spirits is ask them about their life because you find out a lot about the individual if you've never met them before. You find out a lot about the person, about their life, about why they have the attitudes they have, the feelings they have, what's going on in their life. Asking a person about themselves is an act of love that you give the person.

Mary: And obviously, what it showed me today is how much undealt-with emotion I have about my own life on Earth, that just hearing from my guide about her life on Earth triggers me, and it's the same for so many of us.

10.1. An example of a participant afraid to trust her guide

Participant: What I've just realised is that I'm very frightened of my guide, I'm afraid to get to know them.

Why is that?

Participant: Well, I think it's because I don't want to know me.

I don't think so.

Participant: If I connect I'm going to get hurt, I think.

That's one of your beliefs certainly, but can we go a bit deeper, Teresa? Why would you get hurt by a person who's guiding you?

Participant: Because I have to trust them.

Yes, so this is an issue of trust. Can you see that you don't want to trust people and in fact you often attract totally untrustworthy people into your life? Many of the people that you interact with on a daily basis are untrustworthy people. If you look at many of your internet interactions, which anybody in the world can observe, many times you're interacting with very untrustworthy people, and that's to trigger this emotion of how much you can't trust anybody. Your guide is one person you could trust, but you don't want to feel the emotions associated with the risk of trust. Do you see the difference? You don't want take the risk of trusting somebody. [01:51:22.05]

Mary: It's a vulnerable feeling.

It's a vulnerable place - trusting somebody and then having them disappoint you. You don't want to feel that emotion again; you've had enough of that emotion in your life. But the reality is that you need to feel that emotion and release it, and the only way you're going to do that is by learning to trust somebody. And who better to trust than your own guide who loves you and cares about you and knows your life? So take the risk. Can you see even just taking the risk is going to bring up a fair bit of grief for you?

Participant: I don't believe I can.

You don't believe you can?

Participant: Mmm.

Yeah, now this is where anger takes over. We don't realise that many of our statements are born in anger. When you say I don't believe I can trust, really what your soul is screaming out is, "How dare you ask me to trust somebody! Don't you realise what's happened to me in the past when I trusted somebody? Every time I've trusted somebody, somebody's hurt me." That's the place you're actually in, that rage. The key is to feel that and then you'll start feeling some of the grief under it, which is the terrible feeling of being hurt by people you have trusted in the past.

This idea that you can't do it is born out of a desire to not want to do it, and all of us need to understand this. Often our statements tell us a great deal about where our rage is, and if we listen to ourselves we'd often be able to express ourselves more directly with regard to the rage we feel and therefore quickly connect with the emotion. [01:53:04.23]

Last night we had a discussion with a group of people. I was talking about mothers and how badly their mothers had treated them. It was quite a confronting discussion because almost everybody present had mothers who had treated them quite badly. There was quite a lot of feeling in the room that I was wrong in saying these things about their mothers, yet I was just expressing the rage that each of the women that I was speaking with have towards their mothers because of how their mothers had treated them. We are often totally in refusal to connect with the rage that we feel about how we've been treated. So go with that "I don't want to trust anybody" feeling that you have and allow yourself to feel that more fully.

Participant: Thank you.

11. Audience questions

11.1. An example of a participant who wants her children to not blame her

Participant: Thinking about children and growing up... At what point do children start to recognise the difference between blaming their parents and taking responsibility.

Can I say that the question is born of a parent who is not taking responsibility? The reality is that if we realised as parents how much we have damaged our own children, we would never expect our child to not blame us for the damage. We would be totally accepting of any blame that our child felt towards us with regard to how we've damaged them. Often as parents we're saying, "Ah, I want my child to get to twenty-one and then my child will stop blaming me."

I know people who are a thousand years old and still blaming their parents. I don't agree it's righteously. But the fact is that their parent did cause that damage, and if a parent is on the receiving end of the blame, the parent would be completely humble to what they have created. The fact that we're not completely humble to what we've created as parents is a good indication of why we're still getting blamed. You see, a parent who's gone through repentance very rarely gets blamed afterwards by their children.

Participant: So at some point forgiveness comes in.

At some point repentance of the parent comes in, and then when the parent has felt repentance, there's a higher likelihood that they will receive forgiveness from their child. If you expect forgiveness without repentance, then you are making your child's process much, much, much more difficult. It requires a much higher development in love for somebody to forgive you when you are not repentant. If we are a parent on the Divine Love Path we need to sincerely look at this issue of repentance, not the issue of whether our children forgive us, but the issue of whether we are sorry for what we've done. We often say we are but we don't mean it, and whenever our child projects blame we get angry, which is an indication that we are not sorry for what we have done. [01:57:01.07]

11.2. Having compassion for spirits' soul injuries

Participant: In all of our interactions with the spirits who are not Celestial spirits but lower ones, are they basically the same as we have with each other on the Earth?

In what way are you referring to?

Participant: If someone's angry with us and we react in anger, for example. Is there a difference between that interaction with a person in body and a spirit? - because it's the same emotion.

Mary: It's the same condition in our soul.

Same condition in our soul, same emotions, and the person in the spirit world feels it as badly as a person on Earth would feel it, and quite often more so, because they are a bit more sensitive to the expression of emotions. Quite often they feel even worse than a person on Earth would feel. But you're right - we've got to stop seeing spirits as entities other than just people. We've got to stop this process of thinking that for some reason a spirit feeling it must be different to how we feel it. We've got to start just treating them as people; just like any other people we meet. Sometimes they have pure emotions, sometimes they don't. Sometimes how much fear emotion they have depends on their development. Sometimes they have dark feelings towards us and sometimes they'd like to kill us and sometimes they don't. Sometimes they have very much brighter opinions of us. And the reality is that sometimes we have quite the same things with them. We need to understand that they are just people like we are and, therefore, just as sensitive and sometimes far more sensitive to our emotions than we are to other people's emotions. [01:59:29.24]

One thing I love about our Celestial friends when they come and speak, they're always going, "Our lovely brothers and sisters who are in the hells." Just the idea of calling a spirit who's in the hells your brother is in itself an equalisation and a statement of humility because they are our brothers and sisters. And we need to have just as much compassion for our lovely brothers and sisters in the hells as we have for ourselves and as each other.

11.2.1. The importance of being self-reflective

Even here in this auditorium, in this large group of people who meet with each other regularly, we get annoyed and frustrated with each other, and very few of us are self-reflective yet. The reality is that if we were self-reflective we wouldn't be annoyed and we wouldn't be frustrated. We'd go, "Ah here's another lovely brother or sister just opening that little hole in me so that I can see, wow, I have that anger still," or "I have this situation still," or "I have that situation still," instead of going, "You did this to me, and you did that to me." We'd be going, "What's inside of me?" We would be far more self-reflective.

One of the things I like about Mary's book group is that the books that Aphraar penned through Robert James Lees are all about self-reflection. That's lovely about them. It's something that we all need if we're going to improve in our mediumship skills; we need to have a lot more self-reflection. If we have self-reflection we are capable of love. If we have no self-reflection, we're just going to point the finger at everybody else all the time and not examine ourselves anymore.

11.3. The benefit of having spirits with us all the time

Participant: Sometimes I feel we get angry at the spirits because we feel we can't get away from them. If someone gets angry at me, say Cecily, I can go away, but the spirit can be there all the time and that's when we feel...

But the spirit's going, "Yeah, you make me be here all the time. What's wrong with you? Why can't you let me go?"

Participant: But that's where I feel we get caught up in it, isn't it? We feel we can't get away.

But that's right and that's good. You know with Cecily you can say, "Ah, it's Cecily so I'm going to leave her," or you can even say, "I need space from Cecily to deal with the emotion." But the reality is that you're not going to deal with the emotion until you submit humbly to the grief that's caused the attraction. This is where I feel many people are still not able to be soft. Do you understand what I mean by that? It's like when you get attacked by another person, what is your general response? Is it softness? No, it's not softness, it's like, "Wow, I'm getting attacked." It's even more like, "How dare you attack me! What are you doing to me is wrong!" The beauty with our spirit interactions, and this is what I love about spirit interactions, is that you cannot avoid them by stepping away from them physically. This is a wonderful thing because if we could, we would be far less conscious of what we're creating. [02:03:03.06]

12. Connecting with our spirit guides (continued)

Participant: How about if we don't know our guides? I feel I'm guided but I can't see them and hear them even though I pray and include them into my prayers every day. But I don't feel I have a really good connection with them.

The talk that Mary mentioned that we did in Greece was a discussion called "Spirit Relationships - Connecting With Your Spirit Friends" with twenty or so people where the spirits actually outlined how we could have a better connection with our guides. My suggestion is that when that talk is put on YouTube, have a listen to that. Watch that talk because it will help you. There is a long list of things that we could do that can significantly improve our connection with our guides. During that talk you will see that there are many things physically, emotionally, and spiritually that we can do to have a stronger connection with our guides to be able to communicate with them freely.

All of your guides do wish to communicate with you, and the only reason communication is not happening is something to do with ourselves, so we need to have self-reflection. Many of us feel like, "I desperately want my guide to talk with me," but there must be something blocking it if it's not happening and it has to be within ourselves because our guide does want the communication. Have a look at that presentation when it comes out, and Mary says she's going to type up some of that information as well. Have a look at some of that information and ask yourself how you can actually help your guide connect with you more strongly.

13. Closing words

We'd like to thank you for your time today. (Applause) Thanks to Peter and Mary, too. Thank you.

### The Loving Use of Mediumship: Session 2 Part 1

How is everybody? We realise that this is normally a mediumship evening, and we will be discussing mediumship tonight for the entire evening. Mary and I have spent a little bit of time talking to our spirit friends about what's going on here with your mediumship group, but first we'd like to have a bit of a discussion with you.

14. Discussion about the regular mediumship sessions in Kyabra

Mary: We'd like to hear from you about how you feel it's going and what you feel about the group.

14.1. Spirits attracted to the mediumship sessions

Firstly, what do you feel are the common attractions that you have with the spirits who are coming to the mediumship meetings? Have you given that much thought? If you take Angelo out of the equation, what are the common types of spirits coming to speak with you?

Participant: Spirits who are Earth-bound.

All the spirits are Earth-bound, that's a common thing?

Participant: A majority of them.

Good, anyone else?

Participant: A lot of them are angry. Angry women.

A lot of them are angry women.

Participant: A lot of them want to help people. Something happened to them on Earth and they want to help others not experience what they've experienced.

Could you say then that a lot of them are wounded women who are trying to help other women on Earth not experience the same things that they have experienced?

Participant: Yeah. There are some men as well who are wounded doing the same things. But generally the women are in a massive rage and just want women to continue with that.

Right, and what are the men like?

Participant: There are not so many men, but we had some fishermen come in the other day; they don't associate with women.

Can you see that there is a separation between the men and the women? Do you also notice that happening in your group?

Participants: Yes.

The other day Mary had the book study group and you could almost draw a line down the middle. On one side were the men and on the other side were the women.

Participant: With the male spirits it seems it's not so much to protect people, whereas the women are like, "I've got to guard the other women against this horrible thing." The men are kind of looking for approval, looking to re-establish their status.

So they're a bit more needy for approval.

Participant: Yeah.

And do the men in the group see a similarity there? [00:06:58.19]

Participant: Yes.

14.2. Dynamics within the mediumship sessions

What else? Anything else that you've noticed?

Participant: We are often attracting spirits who have a common thread of the Law of Attraction with our own injuries.

That's a good thing to observe.

Participant: I just want to say that I'm really sad because I really like it and I would be very sad if it is criticised. I get a lot out of it. I just have different opinions than you.

We will talk about this. I'm not saying that it's going to stop, by the way.

Mary: Rita, the purpose of our discussion is not to criticise the group at all. It's to help you guys deepen your understanding of mediumship, to deepen your own self-reflection, and to develop sincere desires surrounding service and love of one another.

Yeah, but what you're also expressing, and I want to ask everyone about this, is how your addictions are being met by the mediumship night. If the mediumship night were taken away from you, how would many of you feel? Have you thought about that? What are the feelings?

Participant: I'd feel disappointed, but I was more wanting to comment on an observation. There seem to be some addictions at play particularly around wanting personal information, which I'm guilty of, particularly from Angelo.

When you say you want personal information, it's sort of like, "Feed me with what I need to work on, tell me what's wrong with my life," and all that kind of stuff?

Participant: Yes, and at times we're seemingly unaware until Peter points it out, that the room gets very heavy at times if we're not owning our stuff.

So there's almost an avoidance of your own emotion while the mediumship is actually happening?

Participant: Yeah. I'd say that's a key point actually.

Mary: How do you feel your attitude is towards the spirits who come? What is the general feeling amongst the group towards the spirits and towards each other while the group's happening?

Participant: I don't really feel there's much of a genuine desire to serve the spirits, to be honest.

When you say there's not much of a genuine desire to serve them, let's be more specific. What is the feeling that you have when they come? When some of these women come, how many of you agree with them? Have you noticed?

Participant: I'm frightened of them.

You're frightened of them, yeah. When you're afraid, can you love? No. That's obvious. But one thing I've noticed is that many of you agree with them, to be frank. [00:10:50.20]

Mary: Sometimes it's tempting to say we are loving them, but we're avoiding the truth with them, and that means we're not loving them, we just want to commiserate with them. When we have true love for people we will serve them by telling them the truth. That's going to assist them the most. If you reflect about when women spirits come, how firm are you for truth with those spirits?

I don't want to discuss those things yet.

Mary: Okay, sorry.

Sorry, it's just that our spirit friends have a lot of things they want to discuss with you, and Mary started to discuss one of them, but I would like to know more from you guys first. Don't be afraid to say exactly what you think. We're not here to criticise anything, but we do want to get things into harmony with love and we want to explain to you how our spirit friends feel about what's going on. Firstly, what do you feel is going on? Please feel free to say just exactly what you feel.

Participant: Apart from Pete, who channels Angelo and Tig, I feel that none of us feels a level of self-worth to channel any spirit above the Earth-bound. There's almost like this heavy blanket, that we all feel unworthy to channel a high spirit.

When Angelo is channelled by Pete, what do you feel then? Have you noticed what you feel?

Participant: Needy, needy, give me, give me.

Okay, that's very good. That's something I do notice, yeah.

Participant: I've noticed lots of fear about Earth changes. A lot of people want to ask, What can we do to avoid any problems in Earth changes?

Peter: I notice for myself that people connect me with Angelo and think that I'm Angelo sometimes.

They get mixed up with who's Peter and who's Angelo. What's the result of that, Pete?

Peter: Well, they seem to think that I know all these things that are going on and I'm doing all this, but I don't have a clue who their parents or their grandmothers are.

So there's sort of an expectation upon you to get information from you.

Peter: Well, more of an expectation that I know all this stuff personally within my soul.

When you don't.

Peter: I don't have a clue.

No worries.

14.3. An illustration of agreeing with spirits' emotional injuries

Participant: There are two things. First of all, when you talk about agreeing with the angry women spirits, what did you mean by that?

When a wounded woman comes along to the group, many of the wounds of that particular woman are very similar to the wounds in many of the women in the group. There is almost this tacit agreement with her fear of dealing with the issue in the group. When a wounded man comes along to the group, there are many men in the group with exactly the same wounds. You have a tacit agreement with the man that he has the right to have that wound, and you do not share truth with the person in whom the wound is causing damage. It's something to consider both for the men and the women in the group, not just for the women. [00:14:52.24]

Participant: So it's not necessarily anything verbalised.

Well, many times you do verbalise it, in different things I've heard recorded. Many times you're trying to convince the spirit to change when you yourself want to hold on to exactly the same thing the spirit wants to hold on to. Can you see how that's not going to be very effective in the long run in terms of helping that spirit?

Mary: Especially if you don't acknowledge that that's the truth.

Yeah.

14.4. Dynamics within the mediumship sessions (continued)

Participant: The second thing, probably not quite so much lately, I notice that Peter tends to be put up on a pedestal, particularly by the women.

Participant: Let's say there's a woman spirit up there, and she's in this story. I feel frustrated about how long her story is going to keep going, and I don't feel any love because I'm frustrated about the topic.

You're hearing the story rather than dealing with the emotions that the spirit has.

Participant: Because I get to this point when it's not the spirit anymore, it's someone wanting glory. But then I also feel it happen with the opposite sex as well. I even get frustrated when a man's getting channelled because I feel like, okay, so the start was getting there, now they've dropped out, now it's the person and there's this story going on again.

Participant: I'm just going to put myself out there; admittedly I've got a lot of injuries towards men. I do feel there's a bit of adulation towards Peter, but I also feel that there's very strong banding with the men and he tries to be very encouraging of the men to do channelling, particularly when they're in an injury where you can actually see they're not channelling from a pure space.

So they're starting to become needy for approval, attention, glory?

Participant: Yeah.

14.5. An illustration of the lack of humility and gender inequality at the sessions

Participant: I've been doing a bit of personal channelling with a friend of mine as a guide, which I won't discuss with anyone normally because the few times that I have, people have responded with, "Well, you can't possibly be doing that." I had another woman come to the group but she was shut down and she won't come now. That's okay, but it doesn't seem to be quite the same with the men, the men are allowed to go on and on.

You feel that there is some disharmony in terms of equality between how Peter...

Participant: Yeah. I don't know anything about Peter personally, but I feel that he possibly went to an all boys school, so he doesn't know how to relate to women, and he's scared of women so he's used to banding together as one of the boys or something. I don't know so I'm quite open to being injured.

You're very accurate about some of the sentiment there. (Laughter) And Peter you're free to comment if you wish to.

Participant: Yeah, I agree with some of that, but I also feel sometimes it's almost like there's a show, it's entertainment and Peter's on the stage with a microphone, and maybe he feels a little bit pressured to keep things going as master of ceremonies. He always gets to choose who's to come up and so on and...

When you say "he," I feel you are getting very mixed up about who's choosing. The reality is that Angelo's choosing.

Participant: Ah, yes, okay, sorry, but I do feel that sometimes it's a little bit like a show and maybe he's feeling pressure to keep the night rolling.

Can you see what's starting to happen now?

Participant: We're starting to criticise and...

There is one major thing you're starting to do now, what is it?

Participant: Attack.

No, just think about it a little. What are you doing? What are the core principles of the Divine Love Path?

Participant: Not owning.

But what's the first door that needs to be opened?

Participants: Humility.

Humility, right. What is humility? Does anyone want to comment on what humility is?What do you feel?

Participant: Humility is to be able to feel all your own stuff, all your own emotions.

Okay, so humility is about self-examination, is it not? Can you see that there is a big problem with the group, to be frank - a lack of self-examination? There's a lot of finger-pointing with your mediumship. And it's interesting that Peter, who has a passion for mediumship and who is volunteering his time to do it... obviously he knows he's not going to do it perfectly, but you're already finger-pointing at Peter, saying, "Oh, he's not doing it how I want him to do it," and so forth. This is where you've got to be very careful. I feel we first need to examine ourselves, not Peter, do you understand? [00:21:30.26]

Peter needs to examine Peter; we need to examine ourselves for what emotions we feel about whatever Peter might do. I feel that the comment that there's a feeling of inequality is a valid comment. You can see when we have a group here that there is very often a separation between the men and the women. In fact in some groups we have there's almost a line you can draw down the middle, the men are on one side and the women are on the other side, so there is obviously a feeling of inequality between the men and the women. So that is a valid comment. But I feel when we start getting into "Peter doesn't do this" and "Peter doesn't do that," you are now starting to get away from self-examination.

Participant: Yes, absolutely, and it's also been Peter who's done all the writing of the spirits when people have come up to channel, and he's amazing at that. I'm just wondering if there's too much pressure on him to do all that because he's so good it at and if other people maybe...

14.6. An example of a loving medium

Can I be frank? I feel that there is no one else in the group who's in a condition where they could do it with any amount of love. While Peter may not do it perfectly, he is in a good condition to assist because he has a love for them.

Participant: Yes, he's fantastic.

He actually has a love for the spirits that are coming. He doesn't have any other primary emotions with them, although he is a bit afraid of the women spirits who come, and that is an emotion that we've talked about with Peter. As well, there is a tendency with the men spirits to not confront their true unhealed emotions because of a feeling that the women need to be confronted rather than the men. But the reality is, inside of Peter there is a large amount of love for the spirits and this is why he's doing it even though at times he himself is quite frightened.

Participant: He overcomes his fear. Love overcomes his fear when he's very frightened.

Yeah.

14.7. Dynamics within the mediumship sessions (continued)

Participant: I feel like there's been very little self-initiation in terms of actually engaging with spirits, like wanting to develop our mediumship by ourselves. I guess for myself there's a feeling of wanting it to be served up on a platter to us.

So everyone's sort of expecting Angelo to serve everything up.

Participant: And Peter with Angelo's help.

Participant: Isn't the Learning Centre a place to learn? For me, Peter's not perfect, no one is perfect in the group, we all have these projections and that's probably what you're addressing. We're here to learn because channelling or mediumship comes in different forms and shapes so...

Definitely, not just sitting down.

Participant: Yeah. I didn't think I was a channeller until Pete said that I'm doing it in music.

Yeah, when you're writing a song down you're channelling. [00:25:11.27]

Participant: Yeah, it just comes, I've written it in five minutes and I didn't know the song. But I was under the impression that it's a learning process.

Mary: As I was saying at the beginning, we're encouraging you all to reflect because that's a part of learning, and unless you're willing to self-reflect, you're always relying on someone else to deliver your learning.

Participant: I noticed sometimes when someone is channelling, say it's a really large group of very angry women, that the group will start to drop off, to go to sleep, or it's like there's this fear that comes at whoever's being channelled. Or if it's not a fear being projected at them from the group, then it's anger and, like, a bit of a put-down on the spirit who's just being honest.

Good.

Peter: Angelo always focuses me on the actual spirit. Often there are many blocks in the channelling, but as long as he's still able to connect with the spirit, that's the most important thing.

Okay.

Participant: Just two things. When I've been on stage, I'm not sure but I think I've felt judgement from those in the audience. If that's happening for me, then it's probably happening for others as well. But something else, too – it's been a fantastic place to learn. Like, some people who have thought that they couldn't channel end up on stage and away they go, and to me that's absolutely fantastic. Even for myself, the last couple of times I've been on stage it's helped to engender a bit more confidence that I'd lost for a while, and I think it's just a fantastic opportunity to learn.

We would hate to see the group stop, to be frank, but we do need to make sure that it gets more into harmony. Our spirit friends, your spirit friends actually, are concerned about the direction that the team is taking at the moment and they'd like to correct it. We certainly don't feel that we want it to cease, but there are growing addictions in yourselves as a group to the mediumship, and this is something that we also want to discuss with you – why these addictions are growing and what it helps you avoid. [00:28:46.24]

Participant: I'd like to know how better to help the spirits that are being channelled. I have a concern that perhaps we're not helping enough or that we're not doing it in the way that is most helpful to them. I don't really know how to do it, but I'm very keen to know more about channelling – just to how to help them more, you know.

Good. How many of you who have come to the team regularly have actually channelled privately, just for the purpose of helping the spirits only? In other words with no one around you, just by yourself in your own home, you've attempted to channel to help a spirit? So that's lovely, that's a positive thing, yes? That's very good, but how many of you feel a bit confused about how to help them?

Participant: I find the whole thing on stage really, really confronting. I went up once and it was so confronting for me just to be up there. I felt terrible about what I did because it was just so much about me. I went home and I was like, "That was really horrible." I tried to talk to Michael later and said "I just feel so bad, I didn't help you because I was just so uneasy about myself."

That's because you're so much in your own feelings of being on show. That's not a bad thing because in the end the more you practice in front of a group, the less you worry about the group and the more you just worry about connecting with the spirit and accurately relaying the spirit's information.

Participant: I feel a lot of pressure to do it a certain way, though. To have spirits channel straight through is quite hard for me. When I'm doing it at home I tend to go more on feelings. I feel like I have to kind of put on a show if get up there and I'm not ready to do that.

Mary: So you feel like you have to give them a voice rather than say, "What I feel from them now is this and it feels like..."

Having somebody else who might be able to hear the spirit confirming that information or not would help.

Participant: Yeah, I'm much more comfortable with that.

So you feel that a bit more open experimentation without formality would be beneficial?

Participant: I think so, yeah, that would be good.

14.8. An example of a participant feeling pressured at the sessions

Participant: Two things. First, I realise that I've recognised a real shift in humility in Pete. I've seen him channelling with such humility. It's really inspired me to be a lot more humble and to help them to the level that I can and then assist them to a higher spirit. I learn something every single time I go. There was one time that I was up there and it was projected from the audience that this particular spirit was my son. I did not feel it myself. I don't feel it is my son but it felt like even Angelo was suggesting that it was my son. People in the audience were saying, "I feel it's your son," and I was doubting myself – do I place trust in a Celestial and others who are more mediumistic than me? I was left in quite a state of distress. Pete did call me the next day and we chatted and then I just came to the realisation that I'm just going to keep trusting my own feeling regardless of what's happening in the room. I have to keep trusting my own feeling.

Would it be accurate to say then that you felt sort of pushed into accepting something that you personally don't feel you agreed to? [00:33:01.01]

Participant: All night I was crying, feeling my son. Then it felt like, wait a minute, this didn't come from me, it didn't come from my own realisation, it was put onto me. So I just had to dismiss it. I'll wait until I'm in a state when I feel that it's true for me and it bubbles up in my own soul that I have a son.

14.9. An illustration of the sessions becoming formulaic

Participant: I'm feeling that we're kind of getting stuck in a certain formula. You talk to the spirit and then the bright spirit comes down and then turns their brightness down. But I was just channelling on the way here and I was thinking, "Wouldn't a bright spirit know if it's too bright?"

Of course.

Participant: So something about that just felt a bit hokey.

Some of you are just trying to copy what I've done with spirits, not understanding that I can actually see what's going on, and that's why I do what I do. That's why what I do is very different with every spirit.

Participant: Yeah, anyway I just felt like there was a formula.

Yeah, and it's certainly no good creating a formula.

14.10. An illustration of not loving the spirits

Participant: I kind of realise that for a lot of the time it's like, "Ah, the fucking spirits are doing stuff to me again," and we're angry, hitting the spirits and they're hitting us, and then we rock up to mediumship and it's supposed to be all about loving them.

Exactly, so in your day-to-day life are you really loving them?

Participant: I'm not, no.

That's a very good observation. You can't manufacture love for them on one night and the rest of the time be in a rage with them. I agree with that, that's very good.

Participant: Put on a love face for mediumship.

Yeah, love face for mediumship.

14.11. Mediumship performed alone versus in a group setting

Participant: When I'm helping spirits at home and I'm by myself, I speak with emotion and passion in my own way that connects with them. But when I get on stage, it is like there is a formula because we're scared of the judgement of doing it in our own way.

There are a lot of reasons, not just that one.

Participant: Okay, but the spontaneous desire to help is lost the minute that I get on stage.

Yeah, plus there are a lot of personal addictions when you get in front of other people, and that does of course modify quite severely whether you're in tune with the spirit or not. If I'm feeling my personal addictions when I'm in front of other people, if I'm hearing the spirit but I'm not actually feeling him, then I could even be saying something that's completely opposite to what the spirit feels because I'm hooking into my own feelings. It is quite a complex thing to actually channel in front of people. It's great to experiment with it without too much judgement, I feel, but there does need to be correction of any unloving behaviour. This is where our Celestial spirit friends can assist through the process of talking through Angelo and saying, "Look, there is this part of it that's not in harmony with love," and so forth. [00:36:51.05]

Participant: What if someone in mediumship went up there and got paper and started drawing on the floor and started channelling, is that a way to experiment with your own mediumship?

Certainly, but then you'd question why you'd have to do that in front of a group. Obviously in front of a group the mediumship is probably going to take the form of feelings or thoughts or discussion, whereas in private mediumship it can take many different forms. It can take the form of poetry, music, art, expression of emotions through those mediums, all sorts of forms. But in a group, like where you get together, obviously it's about learning how to do it more than it is about doing it, because doing it can be done elsewhere.

Mary: It wouldn't be wrong to discuss different ways that you can connect to mediumship.

Participant: I couldn't do it like that – sitting there. I get this feeling that I get it by playing my guitar and something comes out of my mouth.

Exactly or writing a song and the song...

Participant: Or writing a song. So that's the way I would do it, but I'd like to know how I could learn more from the group.

Well this is where some of the principles of mediumship need to be taught rather than the mediumship itself.

Mary: Your experience could form a valuable theme to offer to the group in the form of a discussion – opening people to different ways that mediumship is used and is valuable...

... rather than being hung up on a certain type or method.

Mary: Also, experiment with your mediumship like, "When did it feel like I was really connected to my guides when I wrote that song? What was happening?" Those kinds of insights are very valuable to share with others as well. Peter, you mentioned something to me that Angelo had said about how he's working at the moment with spirits in the group because of certain conditions.

Peter: Our connection with the spirits gets lost very early on in the channelling, and then it's like if he (Angelo) can connect them to the bright spirit, that's as good as we can actually get it, and we might not be able to have any long discussion with them.

If the group has all of these emotions we have yet to release – angers, fears, terrors, grief, emotions towards men or women – and the spirits coming along have exactly the same groups of emotions that they have yet to release, then how can anybody here actually help the spirits? Really, all you can do is to ask for a bright spirit to come, introduce them to a bright spirit, and then hopefully the bright spirit can help them. [00:40:10.21]

14.12. Effectively assisting spirits

We need to get to the point where we can help them because we can aid these spirits quite markedly. But we have to be in a bit of a better condition to do it.

Participant: Are we able to be really effective in helping the spirits before we become at–one with God?

To effectively help a spirit you have to at least enter an engaged condition with the spirit. You have to at least understand them, not be condescending to them, not be angry with them, not be afraid of them and actually have a feeling inside of you of love for them without pandering to their unhealed emotion. Now if you have all of those things happening, it doesn't matter what condition you're in, you can help a spirit.

Participant: Do we not always attract spirits with similar injuries or with complementary injuries?

We do; however, we still have the ability to be in the condition I just mentioned while we assist those particular spirits. If we were truly connected with our own emotion, we would recognise a brother or a sister who comes to us with the same condition and go, "Wow, yeah, I have exactly the same problem as that." Instead of going, "Well you know, you're this angry and you're that angry..." Instead of going "you, you, you," you'd go, "Well, I'm in the same spot as you actually, and I'm having just as much trouble as you are dealing with that emotion. But this is what I've been told and this is what I'm trying to put into practice." Be more humble and honest about the assistance you're providing to them.

Mary: Once you're humble then there's so much more you can do to help another person, whether they're a spirit or in body.

14.13. The purpose of the mediumship team

Participant: With the group, is the only purpose to learn about mediumship or are there other reasons to have a regular group or a large group of people?

The whole purpose of the mediumship team (part of the God's Way of Love organisation) is to learn. What we're trying to do in the team is to encourage each of you who have a passion in the area of mediumship to go out and use that passion in a practical manner, in a loving manner in your day-to-day life. Unfortunately, what finishes up happening is that everyone relies on the team time instead of experimenting and going through this process of developing the mediumship and then helping spirits through your day-to-day interactions. The purpose of the team is to try to help you connect with your passion and then engage that passion in your day-to-day life without needing anybody else in the team to share in the passion with you.

It's a bit like with the arts team. What we want to do with the arts team is the same kind of principle – help you with your passion, help you connect to the passion and then go out into the world. In your general day-to-day life you have interactions with all sorts of people and many of them have never heard of the Divine Love Path. We want to help you share your passion with the rest of the world in a passionate manner and in a manner that's more and more in harmony with love and service. [00:43:53.08]

Mary: It is a service team; so it's not just about learning, it's learning because we desire to serve.

Down the track we would really love to see many of the people who are in the mediumship teams actually embracing the process of helping many, many spirits, but to do that we have to help everyone in the team get into that condition that I mentioned before – where we don't have any fear, we don't have any anger, we're not in agreement with them holding onto the emotion of shame or guilt or separation between men and women, even though we have the emotion inside of ourselves. That requires integrity. We're going to have to have much more integrity with our mediumship, far more integrity than the average person or average medium on the planet actually has.

14.14. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions

So would you like me to mention what Angelo and some of the other Celestial spirits who have been meeting with you feel about this, shall we start with that?

Audience: Definitely.

14.14.1. The feedback from Peter's Celestial guide, Angelo

We'll start with Angelo and his comments about how he feels everything's going. He feels that he's battling a very, very poor spiritual situation. Often what happens is that some very dark spirits come. They have been drawn here by some Celestial spirits to get some assistance. The spirits who come are in a greater state of humility than most of the people who are here. The spirits are willing to discuss their personal emotional condition with a group of people more than each of you is willing to discuss your personal emotional condition, and these spirits are willing to feel their personal emotional condition more than many of you in the group are willing to feel your own personal emotional condition.

As a result of that, the spirits are sometimes actually in a better condition than the group is, even though they need assistance. That's one issue that he'd like to raise with you.

Participant: I'm just not clear. Would we know that we are not humble? Would I know that I am not humble?

No. Most people who are not humble do not know it, and this is why your Celestial friends want to help you see what's really going on. This is why they wanted to raise some of these things with you. Angelo feels that there are so many addictions being projected at him that if he continues doing what he is currently doing with your group it won't be long before he will feel that he cannot do anything at all with the group. Unless the group changes soon, he personally feels that he will not be able to do much more with the group. In fact he's beginning to feel that he's just feeding the addictions of the group by doing mediumship through Peter with the group, particularly about your personal emotions.

Mary: Yeah, that's relating to what you mentioned first, Matt, about the taking feeling, "give me, give me," and there not being a strong sense of sincere gratitude. There's more of an expectation that he deliver.

He also said that there's very little practical application of any of the advice that he gives. Angelo feels that there is very little practical application of any of the advice that he gives to you when he's discussing your personal emotions.

Peter: One of the desires I get from Angelo week after week is that he wants them all to find their own Angelo, their own guide; that seems to be one thing that he's finding difficult.

Yes.

Mary: And that's something that he's said. If it's an expectation that he should serve in this way, it actually limits the number of other Celestial spirits who are able to connect with people because there's no sense of receiving the gift.

He actually said that in some of the meetings you've had, there has been no other Celestial spirit present aside from him because the spiritual atmosphere just doesn't allow it – and it's even difficult for him to be present.

Mary: Can you understand why it's difficult for them to be present? A Celestial spirit is very clear about not serving you in your addiction because that's going to take you further away from God; he's walking a tightrope of bringing truth and trying to develop everyone in terms of their own self-reflection and at the same time moving towards love. Angelo's also saying, "I can't keep going too much because they're in addiction with me doing this and it's not actually changing their lives. I can't lead them into addiction." He can't do that.

He wanted to mention a few things for you, Pete. One is that he feels that there's still a lack of openness to addressing truth in an equal manner with males and females. Secondly, he felt that there is sometimes a desire in you to support their emotional addictions, and he can't get drawn into supporting the emotional addictions of the group.

So from Angelo's perspective, and he's obviously with you every single group that you have, he feels that he can't keep doing it as it currently stands without everyone in the group having a good look at what's going on. That's number one. We'll talk about what he wants you to look at in a minute.

14.14.2. Other Celestial spirits' feedback

About the other Celestial spirits who observe the spiritual interaction: whenever any group of people get together, all of your emotions and all of your belief systems about yourselves and about the spirits combine to form an atmosphere. Imagine that when you all get together there's a smoke of a certain flavour that fills the room. [00:51:10.06]

Mary: Or colour.

Or colour. It actually has a colour; unfortunately, there's not much colour coming from the group at the moment, but there's a flavour that is present. There's also an odour, a smell that comes from you as well. It's the combined emotional condition, the positives as well as the negatives, that form a colour, a smell, an atmosphere of a general feeling. That atmosphere is what either attracts or repels different groups of spirits to come and join you.

The higher Celestial spirits would like to explain to you that this atmosphere is present every time you get together. Now if the atmosphere that's present has a nice sweet odour and has a brighter colour – remember the colour we mentioned before in Session 1, the corally pink colour? - this very much attracts any spirit, whether they are a Celestial spirit or a dark spirit, because they can feel the love and desire that is emanating from the group.

Mary: If you can imagine a cold night here in Kentucky, it's really cold, windy, and misty. Imagine that you build a big bonfire. It's warm and it's glowing and you want to go and be near it. You can see it for miles around if it's in the plains or the hills. You can see, "Wow, there's a place where there's probably warmth and light." That's what it's like when there's this coral coloured atmosphere if you like. A spirit can sense that from a long way off and they know, "Wow, there's warmth and light there," and it's very attractive.

14.15. An example of feeling heavy at the sessions

Participant: I'm just noticing that when I'm driving on mediumship nights, at times I can feel very, very happy and light and then as soon as I sit down, within ten minutes I feel, not tired because I'm passionate about the group, but heavy like there's just this strong cloak or blanket...

And can I suggest to you the direction that you need to go in? Because you're going to go in a totally different direction from that point onwards. Every time you feel the heavy atmosphere you need to understand that the reason you feel it is that you're suppressing something in you. For example, when I'm with you I don't feel all depressed and down even if you're feeling depressed and down, and if you feel like you're over-cloaked by some spirits when I'm with you, I don't feel like I am.

Participant: So that's not what you're talking about when you're saying that there's this colour in the group that comes.

Well, no, you see this is where we've got to be careful because each of us needs to personally reflect about "What inside of me causes me to get all heavy and shut down? What inside of me is open or closed to the spirits who are coming?" Now if dark spirits are coming to get help, naturally you're going to feel some of their emotions; if you shut down your feeling of their emotions because you don't want to recognise that some of those emotions are in you, then you will definitely get very heavy. [00:55:25.15]

Participant: So is that why a lot of the Earth-bound spirits don't remember their death? Because it's an avoidance in me of looking at painful things?

And in them, too, yeah.

Participant: A lot of them don't want to talk about how they died because there are always blockages there.

Exactly. Really, what's happening a lot is that we desire to shut down the realisation that "I've got the same emotions they have. Wow, I need to look at myself," and, "Wow, I feel that now." While somebody's trying to encourage them to open up, we ourselves in the group are shutting them down, we're actually encouraging them, through our own attitude, to shut down. The feeling coming from us is, "No, no shut up about that because you triggered me about that!" Or, "Shut up about that, I don't want to cry now." One person's trying to assist the spirit to open and the rest of the group's trying to assist the spirit to shut down. Sometimes it's even the person who's trying to assist the spirit who's shutting down the spirit.

We're talking about the flavour so that you can analyse your own participation in that flavour rather than feeling that there's a problem with the group and a problem with the spirits who are coming. Understand that every time you have that heavy feeling it's because you are avoiding something. Your avoidance is being triggered by something that they are projecting and you are shutting down. This is something we need to understand when we have spirits come to us.

Quite often we go, "Ah, that was really heavy that night; I don't know, Peter needs to fix that up." You are not realising that actually it was heavy because all of us were shutting down something. That's why it was heavy, and we felt the heaviness because we want to shut down, we don't want to know about them. [00:57:41.05]

Participant: I'd like to comment on that deep desire to serve. The deep desire to be connected to God also walks hand in hand with all of this.

Yes, I agree.

14.16. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions (continued)

We'd like to talk about some of our Celestial spirits' comments and then we'll give you far more detailed information about what they would like you, as a group, to examine.

Mary: They would love you to build a campfire, one that they can stand around with you, one that's going to attract spirits. But as AJ was saying about the suppression and the avoidance and the blaming, the campfire gets dimmed and dimmed and dimmed every time. Even though some of you have this desire inside, every time you step aside from something that's triggered or you want to blame someone else or you get irritable with the spirit or the channeller, it gets dimmed and dimmed. So keep in mind that when we give this feedback, and some of it is quite specific and blunt, it's all because these guys really want to help you build the camp fire.

Their wish is for many of these teams around the Earth to get established. If they do we can have many people around the Earth assisting literally millions and millions of spirits. There are around 22 billion Earth-bound spirits at the moment who need assistance; it would be better if they could at least go to the spirit world. But they need assistance to do this, which means releasing them from their addictions. When we are in such heavy addictions ourselves, of course we're not going to help them release theirs, so we need to look at ourselves first before we can assist them.

14.17. An example of Mary stopping mediumship when emotionally challenged

Participant: I'm playing with this idea that obviously as we're channelling we get triggered because of our own stuff. We need to feel this and acknowledge this. Where is the line between maintaining the contact versus focusing on our own stuff? Like when Mary channelled last Saturday, her own stuff overwhelmed her and then she had to stop, which is fine... I'm just trying to find where that line of not becoming self-serving is, or...

The example Mary gave on Saturday, in Session 1, was an excellent example because she started to get challenged by some of the things the spirit was saying, obviously because it connected to her personal life. As soon as she started feeling that she felt, "No I can't do this in front of the group. I've got to go now and deal with some of my own emotions."

Participant: Yeah, and that's okay?

Yeah, it's fantastic.

Mary: This has been a journey for me as well, when my emotions get triggered while I'm channelling. I used to think, "Okay, I'm triggered, this is good, I'll just have a cry and I'll just keep channelling," and I realised that that was actually very selfish. At times when I'm channelling now it will trigger something within me, but I can own that and keep serving the spirit.

Participant: You kind of lost me there because you said when you started crying you felt that was very selfish, but on Saturday...

Mary: I'm not finished. There were times where I would keep channelling with AJ or a small group and I would be crying my own tears while relaying their message. Often it made the message very disjointed, it meant that...

The people around had to put up with Mary crying.

Mary: It's not loving to make you put up with my crying and make you sit with me while I cry.

So it's far better for Mary to stop, leave, and deal with her emotions. [01:02:04.09]

Mary: But now when I get triggered when I'm channelling, most often I'm able to own that emotion. I'm not suppressing it. I can acknowledge that "Okay, I'm really sad about this issue but I desire to serve my brother or sister and continue." On Saturday I felt, "Actually I can't do this; sorry, Rachel, sorry. I can't serve you and the group right now. I don't want to make everyone put up with me crying," so I made that decision. Can you see the distinction I'm making?

Participant: Yeah.

Mary: I'm not serving them if I'm using them to have my own emotion. So I either own it and continue serving or I say, "Sorry, I can't, I've got to feel my emotions."

Participant: Yeah I was just trying to figure that out.

14.18. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions (continued)

Can I complete our Celestial friends' observations? We've talked about Angelo's feelings about the issue; let's talk now about the other Celestial spirits. The other Celestial spirits are feeling that it's very, very hard for them to even be present when Angelo's with the group because of what's going on. A lot of the time they have to sit back and just observe all of the addictions being fed between the spirits and yourselves and between each other, and there's very little they can actually do to assist because very few people, they feel, want to look at it emotionally. They feel that many of you are in quite heavy addiction. What they observe is that they have to step back and then they see this sort of cauldron of all sorts of emotions bubbling back and forward – or mostly being denied or shut down – and they are feeling like there's not much point in their being present until something changes, until something opens. [01:04:17.11]

Mary: There's very little way that they can connect unless it's to aid you in an addiction.

Yes. So now we would like to discuss with you what they felt were the two major problems. They are both issues of love and humility. The first subject they wanted to discuss with you is the general attitude of self-righteousness that is developing in people who think they now know the truth of the Divine Love Path. The second issue they wanted to raise with you is the attitude of selfishness that is starting to pervade or be pulled into the mediumship.

Participant: Serving self and...

Serving self rather than serving others.

Mary: If you think about it, you guys have already highlighted both of those themes.

Let's start with some of the comments they have and we'll try to give you some practical examples as we go. You may also think of some practical examples that you may want to ask about, so please feel free to share those.

Mary: They did say that they would really love for you to ground this in practical examples. Think about "What does that mean, what are they saying, what would that look like, how has that happened, how can I relate to this?" Think about what this really means in terms of practically doing mediumship, not just as a concept or an idea.

14.18.1. Examples of self-righteous behaviour

With self-righteousness, they mentioned firstly that there is a general feeling of righteous anger in both the males and the females of the group. What they mean by righteous anger is that many of you feel at times when you feel hurt that you are justified in becoming angry as a result of the hurt you feel.

Unfortunately, you also feel justified at becoming angry with spirits who hurt you. Many of you feel that with people who come to influence you spiritually. Can you feel the anger you sometimes feel in return with those spirits? You feel like getting angry with them and telling them to b... off. They said that this anger, this self-righteous anger, is happening between each other in the group, but it's also happening between yourselves and spirits. Do you notice that? [01:07:30.27]

Audience: Yes.

Have you got any practical examples where you've seen that occur?

Participant: In the mediumship team or within us personally?

Either.

Participant: I know that when I see someone being unjust to someone, my heart goes into this rageful place where I get a hot heart and I really want to say, "How can you be unloving?" whereas I'm unloving in that moment.

You want to punish the person who's hurting the other person.

Participant: Yeah, I want them to know what they've done, but there's this hot rage that comes out first. It's an actual heat in my heart. When I'm told to feel it and own it, I feel like I have to gag my soul and my heart because I can't control the projection until I really start to go into the process. But it takes a while for it to stop wanting to go that way and open...

Do you understand that that's about your denial of your own grief about being attacked?

Participant: Yep.

Participant: I had the opportunity to channel a woman spirit who had a lot of anger, Yeshua, and I think I was pretty self-righteous at the beginning. I guess what I realised, but I'm still not applying it all the time, is that I was demanding of them to do something emotionally – and they've had a far, far, far worse life than I have – and I'm not willing to do it myself.

Right, there's sort of hypocrisy in the whole interaction as well. That's good.

Participant: This is something you pointed out on Saturday in the last mediumship where I could start to sense my greatgrandfather. It was the first time I could feel that, and then I said I felt like saying, "Fuck off grandfather."

So there's an immediate anger and feeling righteous about it, feeling like "He shouldn't be with me, why is he with me?" instead of going, "You know, there must be something in me that got this situation happening." [01:09:50.22]

Mary: Matt was saying that this person had a far worse life than me... The spirits said that these two issues of self-righteousness and self-serving mean that most of you don't actually get to really know the spirit. You might hear a little bit of their story, but there's not a heart opening to the knowledge of their life.

It's almost like somebody coming to speak with you and they've got to work their way through the barrier of your judgement, your condemnation of them, your condescension towards them, the fact that you don't even want to know anything about their life and why they feel like they feel – we don't want to know any of these things but we are going to help them. And how can you help a person without engaging these other things? It's not really possible, if you think about it.

Mary: And when we just say, "Just feel your emotions." That's a very off-hand comment that does nothing to acknowledge this person's history, what's happened to them.

When all of us are Celestial spirits, we'll be able to instantly read their entire history without their having to tell us any of it, and we'll be able to instantly feel their emotions about their entire history without having to ask them anything about it. But do you know what? You'll still ask them, and you'll still engage them so that they'll have the opportunity to tell you.

I'm reading The Gate of Heaven. There's an example of a Celestial spirit who goes to the first sphere; he meets a guy who used to be a religious person on Earth. He doesn't just ream all of his stuff off to the religious person, you know, he waits for the religious person to actually engage a process with him. The religious person asks, "Why have I got these raggedy clothes? What's wrong with everything here? Are you the boss? Can I talk to someone who's the boss?" The Celestial spirit was very patient, very kind, very understanding. Once we're a spirit we can actually see and feel every single thing about a person's life, but we are still not going to be condescending; we're still going to be in a personal engagement of getting to know the individual. [01:12:36.15]

Mary: And can you reflect on this in terms of your relationships with each other? "Oh, that's your Law of Attraction", "Oh, you've just got to feel about it", "Oh, you're projecting." All this stuff is very off-hand and does nothing to acknowledge with love the person in front of you. Imagine if AJ got up there and in The Secrets of the Universe he says, "Right, all of you, you don't know anything, you're all projecting at me right now, you've got a lot of issues in your childhood, you should really look at that."

"You're all in a rage with me so I'm not going to do this," and off I go.

Mary: "You've got to own that it's all your Law of Attraction anyway."

You wouldn't learn much in that process.

Mary: But some of you treat each other like that.

A lot like that.

Participant: I'm just thinking, Mary, that the two issues you're talking about, about self-righteousness and self-servingness are the two issues that are most prevalent that you've been talking about in the book group. It's about how we're treating our brothers and sisters and the community.

Exactly. In fact many of us have been treating the community very badly, very judgementally. Of course there's going to be a backlash to that. There's going to be some kind of condemnation coming back at us for that emotion. It's like, you punch the community, what is the community going to do? Punch you back.

Participant: The same with families, too. In the beginning you learn a whole lot of new stuff and I know that I was coming from that place of self-righteousness and my son said to me, "You sound like you're preaching." You have to get to a point where you can live it rather than ... I was curious about the spirit world – they preach through action?

Always.

Mary: I think I might even have said that in the book group last week. If someone gets up in front of you and tells you the secrets of the universe, yet they live none of it, how many people would listen to that? None, because the real preaching is through acting. It is the same when our spirit friends come to us. We can tell them, "Oh, it's okay, there's a God," and all of that, but if we're sitting there in all our anger and resistance, they're going to respond to that more than they're going to respond to the words that come out of our mouth.

Today I was threatened with legal action about the Padgett Messages. They told me that I have to cease and desist from ever referring to the Padgett Messages to support my being Jesus. Now in the Padgett Messages it actually says that every person on the planet has free will. That includes me, so according to the Padgett Messages I'm allowed to do whatever I want. So straight away there is complete disharmony between the desire of the person to enter into legal action against me, trying to control my behaviour, and the Padgett Messages. He himself is not applying the Padgett Messages that he feels he owns.

And when we do the same, can you understand that there is never going to be a good result from that? We are being very hypocritical when we do that. We go into righteous anger towards others; we think we're right and we condemn other people. The anger itself indicates and betrays our true motives and condition. Our spirit friends are saying that this causes us to believe that we are right; we're self-righteous instead of seeing, "Wow, the fact that I'm angry already means that I'm wrong." We have to feel our anger, but we have to make sure we get to what the fears are and what the grief is underneath the anger rather than dumping the anger on somebody else. [01:16:42.11]

So this man is getting in a rage because the truths that we're spreading, this method is becoming bigger and bigger and bigger and he feels that he wants to attack me for that. In his self-righteous anger, away he goes and takes a certain action. Now if I did the same back, that would be a very, very damaging thing to do to my own soul and also to him as my brother.

Participant: Does he blame you for his book sales increasing as well?

The book sales are increasing, but that's a different matter. One of the things the Padgett Messages does say is that if something is actually the truth on Earth, it will grow, and if something is in error on Earth, it will die a natural death. So if he truly practised what he read in the messages, he wouldn't be worried about trying to kill something that's automatically going to die a natural death. There are all sorts of misunderstandings, of course, in the soul of the man about his own messages or the messages that he's reading, but what I'm illustrating is the fact that he's in this righteous anger, and righteous anger, while it might feel right in the moment that you engage it, is never going to be harmonious with love and particularly with God – so we're already out of harmony.

14.18.2. Examples of condescension towards spirits

Let's go onto the next one. The next one the spirits mention is the feeling that many of you have already raised – the feeling of condescension towards others or towards the spirits who come. Have you seen that in action at times? I think Matt mentioned it earlier, but have you felt that when a spirit comes and they seem in a very confused or very difficult state, many of you feel, "Oh I'm glad I'm not like that," or, "Wow, they're in a hard state, let's try to help them." Do you notice the feeling that comes out of you at times? Would anybody like to say anything about it?

Participant: Yeah, I recently saw myself in the spirit world. For myself it's pretty good to not assume that I'm in a better soul condition than the person I'm talking to even if they're in the hells.

Yes, and actually many times if we're honest with ourselves, instead of being condescending we'd go, "Wow, yeah I can see this lady that I'm talking to is angry with men and she feels she has the right to be angry with men." And then you go, "Whoa, I'm angry with men and I feel like I have the right to be angry with men, too." If I'm honest I can then say to her, "Wow, I can feel what you feel and actually I feel the same, so I don't know if I can really help you. We both need somebody to help us, but this is what I've been told about how to work through that particular information." So you can at least let them know what you've been told. You could say, "I know there are some bright spirits who have been through this so maybe we can ask them to come and give you some help if you'd like to receive their assistance." You could say to them, "I know that it's not right for us to have this righteous anger; we need to get to the grief. That's something I do know from my own experience – that while I hold onto this righteous anger, the grief's never going to be released and I'm never going to get anywhere with it. I know I'm holding onto the anger in my life and I know I'm not really getting anywhere." You can be very humble and admit your own state to the spirit and therefore have the ability to enter rapport with them, then maybe, through this honesty, assist them. [01:20:37.12]

Mary: Can you see that immediately you become humble you start to live more of the truth that you're conveying?

Participant: I find lately with my own processing it's helpful if I see myself not as the victim anymore but as the perpetrator: Why do I want this? Why do I attract this? Why do I continue to do this? It's actually making a really big difference.

It is a large change that we make when we do that, I agree.

Participant: When I'm processing at home I now always say "we" because I am recognising if they're there, it's totally because something within me created the attraction and I need the help. And when I ask for the Celestial to come, I always go through an emotional process together with the spirits – so it's always a "we" now.

Participant: Would you call pity condescending?

There's a difference between pity and compassion, isn't there? Compassion and sympathy is a far more loving emotion. Pity can sometimes be projected at a person with condescension. "I pity you" can sometimes be a very condescending position, whereas having compassion and sympathy for a person is like feeling a sense of empathy and understanding for their state. Every Celestial spirit who comes to help a person in the hells, and there are literally millions of Celestial spirits who spend a lot of their life helping people in the hells, goes to them from a condition of compassion and sympathy.

14.19. Commiserating vs. having compassion for the spirits

Participant: Can I ask about sympathy? When someone's gone through such a life and you feel sympathy for them, how much can it be a commiseration? Like, sometimes you go, "Oh that's horrible," but how much are you actually holding the spirit in a place of victim? It's a fine line.

If you truly feel what their state is and you truly allow yourself to have sympathy for their state, you cannot hold them in that state. You will be honest about the state. It's like if you were slapped around by your mother as a child and physically abused, and I said to you, "Ah, that wasn't so bad," that would of course make it difficult for you to process the emotion. If I said, "That was terrible; you should be really angry with your mother and you should stay angry with her for the rest of your life," then that's also holding the emotion. [01:23:12.05]

Participant: And that's the commiseration that you were talking about...

That's commiseration. We would want to have some sympathy for the fact that this person has been hit around from childhood, been violently abused, and therefore must have quite a lot of different emotions in them – anger, fear, terror, all sorts of different emotions are going to be present in them that we can assist them with if we connect with them. But we won't be sympathetic to them holding onto the emotion. We won't be encouraging them to keep holding onto the fact that this thing has happened. Do you see the difference?

Participant: Yes. If I end up crying because I can feel their pain and the torture of their life and I'm crying because I feel so... that's not commiserating with them?

Whenever you're crying like that you're not actually even feeling their emotion anymore. Whose emotion are you feeling?

Participant: Mine.

Yeah, your emotion of being attacked in your life, so in that moment I would say to the spirit, "Look, I've got some issues here that I just need to go away and cry about, and maybe you need to cry, too, like I'm crying about my issues." Through your example, show them what they need to do.

Mary: This is an important point that our spirit friends wanted to raise with you guys and I mentioned it briefly before, out of turn, but when we have a feeling inside of ourselves that "I can't feel my own pain" and someone is in front of us in pain...

In the same kind of pain...

Mary: ... it's like the difference between me going to AJ, "Oh my gosh, that was really hard for you, wow, you shouldn't have to go through that," and my saying, "Oh my gosh, that was really hard for you. You know, the truth is that we're going to feel this and we'll be free of it." One is having integrity, honour, and truth with compassion and the other is saying, "This is all too hard and it's really bad for you, and it's bad for me." Very often we call that first thing loving them but we are actually not.

No, we're actually not loving them.

Mary: This is really important. I don't know if I can make it any clearer.

Can you see the difference? There's a bit of confusion in that?

Participant: Does it all come back to the humility? If we're really feeling ours then it will come out naturally.

Mary: No, it's about a false belief inside of yourselves about feeling, "Pain is too hard to feel, I shouldn't have to do it."

If I feel that pain is too hard to feel and my own pain is too hard to feel and some things should never have to be felt, then someone comes along to me and describes a life that's even worse than my own, I'm going to say, "Wow that's a really hard life; you should never have to feel about that." Now that is actually helping them to not feel about that and it's actually helping them to stay in a state that is quite harmful. [01:26:17.09]

Mary: Often this happens with the anger in the women who come. There's a sense of, "Oh, but they've had a hard life; we can see they're in a lot of pain," and that's true but the critical point is whether we want to just understand them and tacitly agree with their not having to deal with the emotion, or whether we're going to be firm for truth, have that integrity inside of ourselves and in them, saying, "But by holding onto this we're never going to be able to love."

14.20. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions (continued)

14.20.1. Examples of arrogance

Can we go onto the next one that they mentioned with regard to self-righteousness? They raised the issue of arrogance – we take certain actions and we treat people a certain way because we think we know the truth and they don't. Our spirit friends have said that we are often very arrogant with each other when we think we know and the other person doesn't know. Particularly if you're a medium, you're often doing this when you're interacting or giving help to another person. You're thinking, "I know what they're doing," and really it's a spirit telling you, so you don't really know. A lot of times you go, "I know how to deal with that. What's wrong with you? Why can't you deal with that that way?" We've got quite a lot of arrogance towards people on Earth, but we've also got quite a lot of arrogance with the spirits who come for assistance.

The arrogance is in three areas. We're arrogant with the dark spirits because we think we're better than them, we're arrogant with the Natural Love spirits because we think we're on the Divine Love Path and isn't it wonderful that we know the truth and they don't, and we're even arrogant with our Celestial friends because when they tell us something about ourselves emotionally we go, "No I don't have that emotion." We're arrogant with all of them, can you see? They feel it's a major problem because it's stopping them from seeing any major changes occurring individually, so how can they assist you? And how can they assist any spirits who are with you? Of course the spirits who are in darkness respond in anger to your arrogance, and there are spirits on the Natural Love Path responding in arrogance to your arrogance. They go, "Why would I want to come and talk to them? They're just a bunch of people who don't know how to love."

The Celestial friends said also that most spirits who come to visit you actually have less arrogance than you have, and these are even the dark ones who come to visit you. In fact to come and visit you they have to at least have enough of an open heart to express what's happened in their life in front of fifty people or so. You try doing that. You try saying, "Yes in my life I had thirty abortions," if you've had thirty abortions. You try saying, "Yes, in my life I raped a woman," in front of thirty people. Or try saying, "Yeah, in my life I have felt sexual attraction to children," in front of people, or saying, "Yeah, in my life I had five children and I beat four of them and one of them I showed favour to." Say that to thirty people.

Many of you don't even feel open enough about your own injuries to say any of those things, and then these spirits come and they say exactly those things to you, so already they have more openness than we have by disclosing these things.

So what our spirit friends are saying is that this attitude repels not only the dark spirits but also any bright spirits on the Natural Love Path who could learn, and also any Celestial spirits from the group. So the Celestial spirits come and say, "Yes, I would love to tell Rita about the fact that she's over-cloaked most of the time, that's what I'd love to tell her," which is a truth by the way, Rita.

Participant: I'm realising.

You've got a group of spirits that over-cloak you to make you feel really, really happy and when they can no longer maintain connection with you, then you've got a group of spirits that go into this mistrustful, suspicious, sad, a bit depressed place that you don't like very much, and then back to happy, right? Now that's a gift they could give to Rita, to tell her about that, so at least she becomes more aware. But if there's no medium able to communicate that to you because the medium's sitting there arrogantly thinking... or Rita is less humble and goes, "I don't want to accept that. Why should I accept that? No, that's only Peter's opinion. Peter's got that problem, it's not me." So if Rita had those attitudes then of course what would the Celestial spirit do if the Celestial spirit feels even before they begin that there's not much of a chance for any true assistance to be given?

They also said that there is no desire to know, respect, and love your spirit visitors, to actually know them and respect them. No matter how dark they are, how bright they are, what path they're on, what religion they're from, what race they are, whether they are a woman or a man, we still respect them, we still respect that they've come, and we still thank them for their presence even if their presence is quite heavy and causes us to become a bit afraid. We thank them and we respect the fact that they're there, and we love them while they're there, because if we love them while they're there, we have a chance to help them; if we don't love them while they're there, we have no chance to help them.

The Loving Use of Mediumship: Session 2 Part 2

15. Discussion about the regular mediumship sessions in Kyabra

That was the general summary of the self-righteous are that they wanted to mention to you. Are there any questions about that that you'd like to raise?

15.1. Examples of arrogance (continued)

Participant: I'm going through something challenging as far as when spirits or even people get heavily into denial. At a certain point it starts to look absurd and comical to me. I'm just wondering what emotion is pushing that?

What you're displaying right now is the arrogance that we're speaking of.

Participant: Exactly.

The reality is that you are one of the persons I feel is sometimes in complete denial of the real emotion. If I can point out one emotion; you have emotions of rage within you that you are in complete denial of. In a way it is strange that you have seen the complete denial of another person with a different emotion and then feel like almost laughing at them. That would be the same as me saying to you, "You're in complete denial of your rage," and then making a joke about it or making you feel small about that denial. Can you see that?

Participant: Yeah.

This is where we've got to be careful because quite often the very thing we're laughing at or the very thing that we see in the other person is the exact thing that's in us that we do not see. That's why we see it.

Mary: So to resolve that issue emotionally... for Alexis, it is actually the anger that causes him to feel detached and to be able to laugh. We would see that intellectually and we would recognise that emotionally as an error in love. Then we would ask to open to that emotion within ourselves.

Yes, but there's something you can do while you're in the group. When you feel that within you – that feeling of "I just want to laugh at this person because it seems to me like they are ridiculously in denial" – ask yourself, "Is this is a loving feeling that I'm now projecting at this person? Obviously it's not. So then we could go, "Okay, at least in this interaction I have to own the fact that right now I am not being loving." In that moment if you own the fact that you're not being loving, even with that the feeling inside of you of wanting to laugh or to make fun of them, they will receive less projection from you.

Participant: I'm sorry, say that again - I just spaced out.

When you space out it's because you don't want to know how you can change in the moment. If I could just go general here now for a moment, many of you have so much anger in you, and you desperately wish to not even know how to respond to your anger, how to deal with your anger.

Mary: Because it's righteous, it's the feeling that it's righteous.

Hold on to your righteousness, you see.

Mary: Often when we address a specific question for someone, a lot of you tune out and most of the time it's completely relevant for everyone. So just notice that.

So let's go back to the situation. Firstly you have to be humble enough to be self-observant. Okay, I'm now feeling like I want to laugh at them so I go, "I feel like I want to laugh at them. Why do I want to laugh at them? Ah, it's because I think they're absurdly in denial, I feel it's absurd." And then I have to go, "My feeling of wanting to laugh at somebody else's denial is obviously out of harmony with love." The moment you tell yourself that, you are now automatically being more self-reflective. Therefore, there is less projection going toward the spirit you wanted to laugh at. [00:04:57.26]

Wanting to laugh at them is quite a belittling, sarcastic thing to do. Sarcasm and belittling another person are usually based upon anger about something they're reflecting back at us. Let's say I'm a man and I've got this arrogant man bombarding me and I feel like sort of attacking him as a result. If that's the case, he's just exposing an emotion that I am in denial of inside of me and that's why I don't like him much.

Any time that we feel we don't like somebody it would be great for us to go, "Okay, there's something in them that, inside of me, I actually don't like. This is why I don't like them. There is something in them that I am in judgement about, and it is also inside of me." Do you understand? And once we allow ourselves to see that, we can be even more self-reflective and there will be even less projection going toward the spirit. But if we can't do that, at least do the first thing; at least recognise, "Okay, yes, my behaviour right at the moment is unloving. Well, that's another thing I've got to note down in my little book about my unloving behaviour."

I don't know about you, but when I began this process I had about eighty pages of unloving behaviour I had to work my way through. The way I listed it was, "What is the truth and what is my unloving behaviour?" I actually had a book I carried around with me that I added to – "There's another thing I just noticed about myself that was out of harmony with love." So I write that down and if I'm not addressing it emotionally there and then, at least I can go back again and connect with that feeling and go, "Yeah, I was laughing at the spirit. Yeah, it was because their denial was absurd. So where is my denial absurd? That's something I need to have a look at inside of myself. And why is denial so funny to me? I've got to look at that as well because it's not really funny. Denial affects all sorts of things really badly, so it's not a funny thing." I'd have to ask myself those questions.

Mary: I feel like it's related to that disillusioned feeling that we talked about, Alexis. I feel like there's that feeling for you like, "Ah, it's all wrecked anyway and it's just to laugh about."

Participant: Laugh about it. (Laughs)

Yeah, it's stuffed you know.

Mary: It's kind of comical now, yeah.

Participant: Yeah, that's true, I do.

Which covers over lots of grief.

Participant: Grief.

Yeah.

15.1.1. An example of analysing others' emotions

Participant: I'm going back to the arrogance. I may have been mediumistic for some time and I feel that I've used that very arrogantly in analysing people. I've gone into my head because they've triggered something in me that I don't want to feel. You analyse them and then that's their little box, then you don't have to look at your own stuff.

Exactly.

Participant: But it's all up in my head. When you say people get out of their body, it would mean that they go into their intellect or that they...

Often go heavily into their intellect.

Mary: Or if you're like me, you just go dumb.

Or even way out altogether.

Participant: Or fog out – I don't know how I feel. Is that a sign of being over-cloaked or not in your body?

Yes. Can I mention too that many of you who feel you are accurately analysing other people are actually having quite dark spirits connect to you in those moments. They do tell you some truth about the other person's emotion, but not for the purpose of helping the other person. Rather it's for the purpose of making you feel better than the other person. [00:09:10.24]

Participant: That's what I was just suspecting.

These darker spirits are feeding your addictions to feeling better about yourself by pulling down another individual and remaining blind to your own injury at the same time. The beauty of self-reflection is that it does the opposite.

A Celestial spirit would come to you in that situation and instead of helping you analyse Peter, he would help you analyse why you are so offended by Peter. And he would help you look at the emotion inside of yourself that causes you to respond in that manner. For example, using the issue you mentioned before, he'd be helping you focus on the very strong sense of injustice you feel between men and women, how strongly you feel righteously angry about that particular issue. And the Celestial spirit would be focusing on how much grief there is inside of you, how afraid you are of feeling that grief about how women get treated, particularly how women historically have been treated much worse than men.

And that spirit will be helping you connect with your emotion, whereas this other spirit comes along, and he or she is not helping you connect with that emotion. She's helping you connect with the emotion of "Yeah, I'm pretty good, I can work Peter out. I can even know that he's gone to a boarding school, an all male boarding school." Many of these things that you get told are true, but the purpose of being told them is actually to pull the person down in your own heart while at the same time elevating yourself. Then you don't have to feel the grief associated with the other emotions that are triggered.

Participant: That makes sense. I have realised that just because you know the truth or a truth...

Or we think we know the truth. For a lot of us at this stage, the truth has just entered our mind, and much of it hasn't entered our mind completely, and sometimes it hasn't touched our heart at all. For many of you, for example, the Law of Free Will has yet to touch your heart. Many of you misunderstand it completely. You have lots of judgements about that particular law about love, so it's yet to even touch the heart, but you think you know it. And then you spout all these things because you think you know it, but the heart and the actions demonstrate that there is no knowledge, no real understanding. [00:12:14.09]

15.2. Self-reflection during mediumship

Mary: Can I congratulate you on your self-reflection?

Yeah, it's wonderful. Can you see that when we have a group where we're self-reflective, a lot of times we start with a bit of resistance, then we start getting into it, then we start going, "Wow, I'm discovering things about myself here – that's a wonderful thing!" You start feeling buoyant even though you're looking at things that you would normally be trying to shut down and reject.

Participant: Yeah, I want to find more.

Yeah, it's like a discovery process.

Mary: And that's relevant to your mediumship nights because all of this self-discovery is encouraged in the context of love, isn't it? No one's up here shaming you for what you're figuring out. We're going, "Awesome!"

"It's wonderful to know that!"

Mary: So take the same approach and apply that to the spirits that you're speaking with. You do it not from a sense of self-righteousness with them but from a sense of "Hey, we can discover things here that will help you." That's going to help them feel more encouraged in their process.

You can even discover things with the spirit that can actually help you while you're helping them.

Mary: I just had a little message from the spirits on that last bit of self-righteousness. Basically we're talking about a sense of condemnation towards spirits. Some of your spirit friends want to remind you that some of you have the injury of being quite condemnatory towards others because you feel you know the truth; however, when that gets turned around and you recognise something about yourself, you can get condemnatory of yourself – and that's equally unloving.

Anger or condemnation towards yourself is just as unloving as anger or condemnation towards another. Often we condemn others because we condemn ourselves. Sometimes we're very harsh with ourselves and as a result we are very harsh with others. We need to be conscious of that. [00:14:37.15]

15.3. Celestial spirits' feedback about the sessions (continued)

15.3.1. Selfishness during mediumship

The second aspect that I would like to raise with you is the selfishness attached to mediumship. I will raise the points they've raised and then we can discuss them in more detail. Firstly, their feelings are that there is generally a lack of desire to serve the spirit, or a lack of desire to serve the person that mediumship is given to on Earth. Instead, there is often a desire to attack the person on Earth by using the mediumship to make them feel worse and to make you feel better about yourself. With spirits, there is often a feeling of dismissal like, "Hurry up, get on with it," when actually you're not getting on with it yet.

There is a desire to take from spirits. This particularly comes at Angelo in your group, but many of you also have the desire to take from your own Celestial friends. There's a feeling that they've got to tell you what's wrong with your life, but when they do tell you, you go, "Ah, no, I don't agree with a lot of that." Then you want them to tell you something more. Of course by this stage they go, "Well, the last thing that I told you, you didn't want to accept. Why should I tell you something more? You've already rejected the gift I've just given you; how can you want more?"

15.3.2. Lack of gratitude for truth and love

This brings me to the third point they raised: the gifts of truth or love that they give you are not received humbly or with gratitude. Say a spirit comes along and tells you something about yourself emotionally. Instead of sitting with it and actually working through the issue over the next week or month or however long it takes, many of you receive it and go, "Ah, I'd like to know more now." You just got something that's quite life-changing if you actually do something about it; instead of just sitting on that and waiting, seeing whether the spirit wants to give you more or not, you want something more straight afterwards. The spirit's going, "Well, you just dismissed the first thing; you haven't dealt with the first thing. Before I can share the second thing you need to deal with the first thing." The spirit finds it very difficult to engage you in this process of feeding you more and more information without your addressing the emotion.

Somebody can feed you lots of information but it doesn't mean that you address any of it, and often that's the case, isn't it? With the seminars and stuff that I've presented, sometimes years later you've gone back to it and you go, "Ah, that's what he said!" At the time you thought you knew it, then years later it dawns on you that you didn't know it. If you had some feeling of respect for our Celestial friends, you'd realise that they do have your best interests at heart and when they share something with you, it is best not to dismiss it. It is best to reflect upon it much more deeply than we often do.

15.3.3. A desire to dismiss attacking or angry spirits

The fourth thing they mention is that many of you have a desire to 'move on' spirits who are attacking you or who are angry. You want to get rid of them; you want to push them on. "Get on with your life and get away from me!" The reason you do this is you want relief from their projection. It's a selfish desire to get rid of them so you can get some relief from them.

Also, you often have an agreement with the unloving position of the spirit. For example, if an angry woman comes along and she starts telling you about her life – she's been raped, she's been abused by a man, she was murdered by a man – if you've had some of those things happen to you, or you've heard about those things happening to other women, or you have the multi-generational injury that most women have that we don't deserve any of that, you're now in a rage. You're in a rage about these men and how bad these men have been to this woman, and do you think you're helping her now? How can you help her? You've got exactly the same feelings she has and it's now impossible to help her get to her grief because you're in a rage. You're not in your grief about what's happened to her, so how can you help her be in her grief about what's happened to her? [00:19:50.00]

Often we are actually holding the spirit in a place where they can't change. We are commiserating with them about why their life is so bad and why they should be angry, why they should feel shame, why they've got a lot of grief and why they punish men. You could say, "Yeah, go ahead and punish some more men because that's what I feel like doing as well." And many of you ladies who are angry do feel like punishing more men. That's one reason you're not attracting men into your life - because you're punishing them.

And many of you men feel like pandering to women; you feel this sense of arrogance over women – because women are emotional and you're not emotional, that means you've got things together and they haven't. These are emotions that are projected at the spirits at the same time.

They also said that there is a selfish motivation to release the spirit from your Law of Attraction. In other words, when a group of angry women spirits comes, you often say, "There's a group of angry women spirits here with us," instead of going, "Wow, why is this group of spirits here? What inside of me causes the attraction with this group of spirits? How much do I agree with them?" Or in the men's case, "How much am I frightened of them? How much do I want to run away instead of standing up for truth?" Many of you men don't want to stand up for truth when it comes to people who are angry, particularly women who are angry, so now you've got this selfish motivation, "Just get rid of them. Can we talk to someone else instead?" You are not realising that this is a beautiful attraction to help the whole group deal with specific things.

15.3.4. Using mediumship to correct others rather than helping people correct themselves

The last thing they mentioned, which I feel is very important, is that you're presenting mediumship as a way to correct people either on Earth or in the spirit world rather than personally living the path of love, truth and humility as a way of helping people to correct themselves. Do you see the difference? We're actually using mediumship as a tool to change people because we want them to change, whether that's a person on Earth who we're channelling to or a spirit that we saying we're "helping." We are actually wanting those spirits to change, or we want the person on Earth to change, rather than ourselves actually living a life of humility, love and truth.

As a result, our mediumship becomes used as a tool to attack people. We're attacking the person we're giving mediumship to by telling them a whole heap of things about themselves because we want them to change. That's the only reason why it's coming out of our mouth. And many times it's coming out of your mouths uninvited, by the way. If you think about much of your mediumship, you go up to a person and say, "My spirit guides wanted to tell you blah blah blah..." What you've just done is given information uninvited to the person. Do you think it's a Celestial spirit giving you this information? What does a Celestial spirit do? He asks first whether you want the information. He would at least ask the person, "Do you want to know what the spirit says? Your spirit friend wants to tell you something. Do you want to know?" They'd at least ask you that. This is not a Celestial spirit, it's not a Natural Love spirit, it's a spirit in the hells trying to cause trouble and trying to be overtly controlling and manipulative of the person you're telling the information to.

Mary: Or it can be a spirit who you like to have around you to protect you. "So, AJ, you've got a lot of anger with women."

Let's say I am angry with women and I'm a male and Mary's a female so she comes to me and goes...

Mary: ...My spirit guides feel you really need to work on your anger with women.

Yeah. (Laughter). And how do I do that?

Mary: But the subtext is, "I really don't like your anger with women; could you please deal with that so I don't have to feel about it?"

... so I don't have to put up with it anymore. Can you see? Or I can come up to Mary and go, "My spirit guides say..." and away I go. Or another one that we see quite often: "You're actually quite afraid of me, aren't you?"

Mary: Sometimes the subtext is, "You should be quite afraid of me."

That's a spirit with the person really saying that to the person: "You should be freaking out because of me." And oftentimes they should be freaking out in the sense that the spirit saying it is very, very dark.

Mary: If I were a really humble person and I can feel every time I walk up to AJ he's quaking in his boots, I wouldn't feel the need to go, "You're quite afraid of me, aren't you?" I'd go, "Whoa, my brother is fearful every time I'm around; what is coming out of me?"

And if you really loved him you'd be looking at "What can I do inside of myself? Are there things inside of me that cause a man to be afraid around me?" If you were a woman and a man's afraid of you all the time, the first thing you need to do is go, "Okay, what's coming out of me towards men that would cause men to be afraid of me?" Then, "Okay, yeah, I actually feel quite bad about men. I feel like if I were a man I'd probably like to punch some of them in the nose." You are honest with yourself, and you could work through a lot of things. [00:26:27.01]

After you've done all of that you might go, "Well, I don't know if there is anything coming out of me," but there's still really no reason to come up to the person and say, "You're quite afraid of me, aren't you?" You're going, "What can I do to help my brother be no longer afraid of women" - because he's obviously afraid of women. "What can I do to help him?" You could say to him, "I've noticed that you're pretty afraid of women," instead of going, "You're afraid of me." Or you could go, "Do you feel you're afraid of women? Is there anything that you know to do about that? Because it's obviously harming your life." If you were loving, you'd probably want to ask them those kinds of questions.

15.3.5. Selfishness during mediumship (continued)

Participant: Some people have a fear of helping a spirit, then releasing them and if they themselves haven't dealt with the emotion they believe they may get a worse spirit. To my way of thinking, I might help twenty spirits with a particular injury that I have until I'm able to release it. Is there a problem with that? Do you know what I mean? People are in so much fear of releasing the spirit because they've still got the injury.

There is only one time that's a problem – when we are in total denial of the emotional reason the spirit is attracted to us in the first place. We will be attracting a new spirit with the same condition or perhaps even a worse condition as long as we remain in denial. That's the only time I see it being a problem.

Mary: And if we use that as an excuse, "I can't help that spirit because it might mean I'm not going to deal with anything," there's a lot of...

...fear in there.

Mary: Not just fear, lack of humility, isn't it? There's a feeling like, "I'm not going to love myself enough to feel, I'm not going to love them enough to be able to grow because I'm just afraid."

Participant: And it's not trusting God's Law of Attraction, like, if it does intensify, well...

... that's what I need to deal with this emotion. Exactly. Quite often we create comfort in our day-to-day life. We create these comforts to avoid what makes us uncomfortable. For example, many people live in a city because they want to avoid the discomfort of some of the things you've got to do in the country, things you don't have to do in the city. We've got to be very careful that we're not doing the same with our spirit interactions as well, trying to create personal comfort all the time so that we're constantly focused on me, me, me.

This is what our spirit friends are referring to with selfishness in the mediumship. If I focus on loving the spirit I'm helping, then I'm not going to be saying, "If I get rid of this spirit, I'll get a worse spirit, so I don't want to get rid of this spirit." I wouldn't say that ever, would I? I would be focused on helping the person. Of course I'm going to help them – it doesn't matter what's going to happen to me, I would still want to help them if I had a selfless feeling of helping them.

I wouldn't be going into this selfish place of, "Wow, if I get rid of this one then a worse one might come along. This one I know, I might as well keep him." Or we might also be feeling, "This one's really nice; he meets a lot of my addictions and if I get rid of him then I'll feel bad about this and bad about that. And he projects some sexual feelings at me that make me feel really good. If I get rid of him, I won't have that anymore. I'll feel lonely and I'll feel like I need a man on Earth," I might even go through all this reasoning where I decide to retain an emotional addiction with this spirit because of my own selfishness. That is not serving ourselves or the spirit we say we want to help in the long run. [00:31:04.00]

15.4. An example of using mediumship to gain information about others and avoid emotions

Participant: AJ, I just want to clarify the fact that a Celestial spirit will ask if the person wants...

Always. Now, David, do you know what you're going to do? You're going to go up to someone and say, "Do you want this material?" rather than looking at whether you're actually channelling Celestial spirits or not. The majority of the time you are not channelling Celestial spirits but rather very dark spirits, even when you think you're helping someone. You're not examining that, and as a result there's a tendency in you then to do the rote thing of, "AJ said the Celestial spirit would ask, so now I'm going to ask." That doesn't change the spirit with you, do you understand? The spirit with you would have already been motivating you to ask before I said it. The fact that he hasn't been means that you aren't channelling the spirit you think you're channelling when you're giving this information to another person.

Participant: I'm having a little bit of difficulty actually receiving it.

Exactly, because the spirit with you does not want you to see that he's not a Celestial spirit. He doesn't want you to see that. His relationship with you has been established because of your acceptance of what you believe his condition is rather than your knowing what his condition is. The difference at the moment is that I can feel his condition, and his condition is not anywhere above a first sphere condition, but you're channelling him as if he's a Celestial spirit because many times he accurately channels the emotions in the other person. Do you understand? And, yes, he does that, but do you know why he does that? To make you feel good, to make you feel like you know things, to make you feel like you're better than the other person, that's why he does it. Therefore, there are some emotions in you of wanting to feel better than the other person, and that covers a whole series of griefs where you feel worse than the other person.

He's helping you avoid how bad you feel about yourself when you're with other people by making you feel better than the other person, by giving you information about the other person that is emotional in nature so that you assume that he's a Celestial spirit giving you information. Then when I address this issue with you, he's trying to shut you down, "Don't listen to this, don't listen to this." [00:33:26.14]

Participant: Yeah. I can feel that.

"Don't trust this," he's saying to you right now. "Don't trust this, don't listen to this. I am a Celestial spirit - how dare he say that." Can you feel his anger with me?

Participant: I can feel something and he's applying pressure to me.

If he were a Celestial spirit, would he be angry with what I'm saying?

Participant: No. I can feel this guy particularly; he's not a Celestial spirit. Have there been times where I have actually channelled the likes of Peter and Jocelyn?

Now you want to feel good about yourself.

Participant: Yeah, okay.

Can you see that if I'm in a condition of love, I will not be feeding your addiction? You want me to feed your addiction. Your addiction is, please tell me that I've done something right.

Participant: Yes.

"... because otherwise I'll just feel worse about myself." Can you see? ... instead of just allowing yourself to feel what you feel from the interaction. The danger that many of you are in with these spirits is that they have learned that all they need to do is use the terminology of Divine Love, and because you are yet to release a lot of your own grief, your own sadness, your own fears, your own anger, you can't tell through feeling whether these spirits are brighter or darker. You can only tell when a spirit's brighter or darker when you have released the dark emotions with yourself.

These spirits give you the facade feeling of, "Wow, I feel pretty bright because I can tell what Mary's emotions are. I can sit there while Mary's doing her book group. She's not feeling that, she is feeling that, and I know all of this. Boy, this Celestial spirit with me, he's so good, isn't he?" And yet it's not a Celestial spirit with you, it's just a spirit in the spirit world who's probably been there for some time. He's learnt your language, he's learnt your lingo, and he knows that all he's got to do is feed you some of the lingo and you'll start going, "I know this stuff." All he's doing is pandering to your feeling of desire for glory or approval or power or whatever is inside of you. In the process of doing that, you're darkening your own condition by feeding that addiction. That's all he's doing. And he's establishing a greater connection with you through this process, making you believe that he's something he's not. Then when I come along and challenge it, he gets angry or you go, "What do you say?" And then I say it again and, "Oh sorry what did you say?" It's that kind of feeling where it all seemed to have gone away for that moment that the important thing was said. [00:36:20.22]

These are indications that the spirits are falsifying their condition to you – and why would they be doing that?

Participant: They are getting something out of the interaction too, I imagine.

Yes, but see how you still don't want to look at your own addiction? The first thing you mentioned is what they're getting out of the interaction. Can you see we've got to start with what we're getting out of the interaction? That's the whole point.

Mary: Our spirit friends did give some specific feedback for the men and the women in the group and that probably fits here. For the men in the group there's the issue of arrogance and using mediumship arrogantly, using mediumship to avoid emotions. So AJ just gave that example where you're feeding your addictions through...

Feeding your addictions.

Mary: ... and presenting truth without love or humility. Those are the dominant things for the men in the group to look at.

Participant: So even if I pray beforehand about being of service...

Mary: Is your prayer sincere, Dave?

Is the dominant emotion an addiction? Because the addiction is the prayer. Remember, the true feelings are the prayer, so if your true feeling is, "I want my addiction met," then what do you think is going to happen? That's the prayer, that's what's going to happen. It's very important to understand that.

The Law of Attraction comes to expose a condition in you. You can pray to God to protect you from this but the reality is, why would God invent a law and then prevent you from feeling the effects of that condition? Can you see that often we're praying to God and basically saying, "God, on this particular occasion, can you just forgo that law and forgo that law and forgo that law and look after me?" And God does none of those things ever, do you understand? God does not protect us from His own Laws. He established every law that He has because He loves you, and the establishment of these laws are one of the expressions of His love for you. They will help you get to a condition of love the most rapidly. That's why He created them. Why would He then deny the expression of one of those laws just because you want to avoid something at a certain moment?

Mary: And the truth is that in a moment or a period of time where you are really humble, you're really looking at your addictions and there is a true desire for service, you don't need to forgo the law. You're going to attract Celestial spirits and you're going to be able to serve. It's always based on the truth of what's in your heart.

That's a very important point that Mary mentioned. If you have a pure, passionate desire to love and you want to be humble and you want truth more than anything else, what kind of spirit are you going to attract? Of course you're going to attract a different kind of spirit. You're not going to be in your addictions attracting one type of spirit, you'll be attracting another type. Even if you attract a dark spirit, you'll be in this beautiful place where you'll be able to either assist them, or through the interaction you'll be able to help yourself and them. There are so many possibilities in that place. [00:40:02.02]

Mary: Something that we've been talking about in book group is, "Now that all this has been said, it's clear I'm not in a condition to serve. I can't do anything," which is missing the point again.

Exactly. We don't want to shut down the mediumship because "AJ's basically indicated that all the mediumship is in addiction, so what's the point of doing any of it anymore?" Surely what we want is to go, "Right, yes, I can start seeing that there's addiction here and I see that there are some dark spirits involved here. I want to change that. The way I'm going to change that is not by intellectually trying to do something to change it, but rather addressing the core emotional reasons why I'm addicted to power," for example in your case, and addiction to power covers a fear about being powerless. So I'm addicted to power, I have to admit that first. Then I would go, "Okay, I'm obviously afraid of having no power at all and underneath that is the fact that during my childhood..." and in your case, Dave, during your childhood you had no power, zero power, you were given no power at all. You were under the control of men and women around you constantly. This is the reason you want the power: you don't want to grieve the emotion of being powerless.

Once we understand that, we realise that within a few weeks we could heal this emotion and be in a totally different place. If we're prepared to grieve the powerless feeling, then we can change. But if we focus on, "I just like the power, man; I just want to have that feeling that I know what Mary's feeling and thinking. A lot of times I know even when Mary doesn't know. It feels good, it makes me feel powerful over Mary, makes me feel like I've got control of her. Or even if I don't have control of her, I can have this nice smug self-satisfied feeling. It makes me feel like I know what's happening and nobody else does." All of that is covering the emotion that we need to feel; it's just feeding or pandering to the addiction.

The spirits with us are experts at pandering to our addictions – why? So they can meet their own addictions. There's always something going on in the other direction as well that they benefit from.

Mary: And in that way we're prostituting ourselves to them. They're assisting us with our unloving desire, but you can guarantee you're going to be assisting them in some kind of unloving desire.

What does the spirit get out of this interaction where he's making you feel powerful, making you feel like he's your Celestial guide, making you feel like he knows things? What does he get out of that? You honour him, you feel connected to him all the time, you listen to the other things he says, some of which might be quite misleading; when a woman comes along that he wants to have sex with, he'll say, "She's your soulmate," and away you go in that direction. There are a lot of things he gets out of this co-dependent relationship. They get to feed their own desires and passions through this unhealed interaction, and that's the danger. That's the danger. If we don't see the danger, it can become quite dark for us very rapidly. [00:43:59.20]

They use us, we use them; we can't forget that we use them. They're using us, we're using them, they're using us, we're using them, until we get to the point where it starts feeling a bit creepy. Now we would prefer to see that happen within a few weeks rather than ten years later. For many of us it happens years later; we go on for years and years before we realize what's happened. It's far better if we can realise it in weeks or even days.

15.4.1. Refining mediumship by stopping addictions and becoming more humble

Participant: The last time you gave me feedback about my mediumship you said don't stop, but I did.

Yeah, and this time - don't stop, but refine.

Participant: Yes, so suggestions on how to refine?

I've already given them to you, if you think about everything that we've just talked about. You will be able to replay this session over and over, and you'll be able to see what's going on in your own mediumship. You will realise that the only way to refine mediumship is to refine yourself. You can't avoid refining yourself.

If you focus everything on refining yourself in harmony with love, truth and humility, your mediumship will automatically be refined. Do you see? But when I focus firstly on the mediumship and try to refine the mediumship without refining myself...

Participant: Trying to fix it.

... all I'll get is another spirit coming along. He thinks, "Right, he got rid of the other fella but I want some of the same things, and all I need to do is use a bit of different language. I've heard this discussion that AJ's had with David so I'm going to say to David, 'Ask the person first before you give them mediumship.'" It's quite easy for a spirit. The problem is that you can't feel these spirits. If you could feel them properly, you would know what they're doing. The problem is that you can't feel them because you want the addiction met.

Mary: I feel the main issue is the obsession with the addiction because a lot of you are sensitive. If you desire to know, you can feel, but it's the ongoing obsession of getting the addiction met that just blinds us.

Desensitises us, blinds us. It's sort of like for a person who's an alcoholic. He's drinking away and his wife's saying to him, "I think you're being a drunkard." Then he starts beating his wife, and a lot of times he gets down to a really dark condition before he goes, "Whoa, I am an alcoholic. I've got an addiction, I'm drinking all the time, and it's affecting my entire life." But often it has to get really bad before he'll do that, and many times even then he won't because he's so much obsessed with the addiction that he doesn't even want to change.

The truth for many of us is that we are obsessed with our addictions. Often we don't want to change and we've got to admit that to ourselves before we can even begin to change. Some of us are obsessed with the addiction of wanting to be happy all the time, so some spirits come along and make you feel happy all the time. You go, "I'm happy all the time, isn't it funny? Everything's funny, everything's a joy. I'm so in love with the Divine Love Path, it's so wonderful. The Celestial spirits love me so much, it's so wonderful." And the reality is that the spirits are just feeding the obsession of wanting to be happy all the time rather than just being yourself – happy or sad whatever the feeling is. [00:48:09.08]

Some of us have an obsession to be the victim all the time. We love it when everybody in the room feels sorry for us, so we get some spirits with us who start telling us things about our life. They will tell us we've had this or that happen in our lives, some of which has not happened, but we start thinking it's a memory of our own. We start creating all of these things because we can play the victim. And everybody around us goes, "Isn't it terrible, she's had such a terrible life. Ah, I'm so sorry," and they give you a hug. We're obsessed with getting the hugs rather than feeling alone or sad or disillusioned or some of the other darker emotions that we sometimes have. And this is what we've got to be real about.

Many times these spirits are cleverer than you. They've been around longer than you; they know how to lie better than you. Some of them have been around thousands of years lying to people, and living with people lying to them. For hundreds of years they have been with heaps of different people. Do you think they know every trick in the book? What's the only way to deal with that? You have to be open and sensitive enough to feel them. How do you get open and sensitive enough to feel them? By being open and sensitive to all of your own feelings.

Remember that every time we don't get an addiction met, we revert to anger. I'm basically saying to Dave that most of the spirits that connect with him are first sphere spirits who falsify their identity to Dave to make him feel better about himself than he actually feels and to make him feel like he's got his life under control when he doesn't really feel like he's got his life under control yet. Then Dave goes, "Well, okay I have some options here." Usually we take one of two options. The first one is, "I'm never doing mediumship again. It's too dangerous. I'm not doing it again." Now straight away we've turned off what is potentially a passionate desire, a natural part of our soul, and that's not a good choice.

Or we go down the track of, "I want to feel angry with AJ because I want to have this spirit with me. I don't believe AJ. I'm not going to test anything he says, I just don't believe him. I'm going to go on my merry way." We feel angry with the person telling us the information, but that's really not going to be very conducive because in the end all that's going to happen is we'll get our addiction met. And if our addiction gets met, who's going to progress? Neither the spirit nor ourselves.

The third option is what Mary suggested. Understand you still have a desire, but refine it in love. Allow it to be refined through a process that is going to cause you to become more loving. Can you see that even greater than the desire for mediumship, I need to have a desire for refining my own soul? We can have a desire for mediumship, but even greater than that desire, we need to create a desire within us to refine our own soul so that our mediumship is pure and enjoyable for everyone, not only just ourselves. [00:52:39.00]

15.5. Focusing on a relationship with God first to refine mediumship

The fastest way to refine our soul is by getting closer to God, and the fastest way to do that is by the process that you're learning – humility, truth and love in this relationship with God first. Most people don't yet really understand this basic truth: if you put first your relationship with God, every other desire that you have will automatically become refined, and it will automatically be exposed to you, and your life will automatically become more enjoyable.

Many of us put our passion and desire ahead of God and even ahead of refining our own soul. We end up with some of our desire mixed in with a lot of addictions, and that's the danger in mediumship or in any other passion that we have. We can have the same danger in the arts, we can have the same danger in any other thing we choose to do, and this is where if we have a focus on God first, our desire for a relationship with God first, it's going to pull us through any trauma or trouble that we receive along the way.

There are many mediums on the planet who have a desire for mediumship first, and those people sit in back areas of town generally, in their little booths, dishing out half-truths to people because they don't have a developed enough soul to attract a spirit who can give full truth. They dish out half-truths for $25 to $100 an hour, or maybe even more depending on how well known they are. That's not a very pure way to use your mediumship, but it's certainly an option if you want to go that way. And this is where we'll end up if we don't address some of these addictions.

Participant: I've been in a conversation with a woman and an emotion gets triggered in me and then ooh, some mediumship is coming on. Then I want to tell them about their unlovingness.

And all that is you wanting to avoid how you just felt.

Participant: Yes.

The spirit with you is not a Celestial spirit; he's just helping you avoid how you feel and helping you give the woman what for. In other words, let's give the woman a punch in the arm and see how that goes now that she's punched me in the arm. That's the feeling, right? And it can only get worse. That's how wars start, isn't it? It's exactly what we're doing oftentimes with our brothers and sisters. [00:56:07.26]

Participant: In general, AJ, when you're saying desire for God will bring in harmony all other desires, you're also saying that desires will benefit all?

Yes, real desire exercised purely will not just benefit yourself. You'll receive huge amounts of joy from it yourself, but a pure desire exercised in a pure loving manner will always benefit other people as well. Let's say you're a passionate artist. You have become an extremely good artist; people look at your paintings and they feel all that emotion. It's benefiting not just yourself. You're getting joy out of everyone enjoying your art, but it's not only benefiting yourself. It benefits every single person who comes in contact with your art. That's a true passion. Same with music, same with mediumship, same with any other passion that we could ever have. Anything that's a pure passion benefits far more than just ourselves.

15.6. Common emotions in women at the mediumship sessions

Shall we look at the women stuff?

Mary: This was mainly about the wounded women spirits who come. Almost all the women in the group actually agree with their viewpoint, so it goes back to that righteous anger place, or the false compassion place, where we tacitly agree that they shouldn't have to deal with the pain and become more loving. So group members are supporting the viewpoints of these women. That was the main issue for the women.

Participant: It's a big one.

Mary: It is a big one not just for the group, probably for society and the world.

Participant: That's enough to work on.

What you've got to do as women is look at your hurt that you have with men in particular, and rather than justifying it even to yourself, start looking at the fact that there is a huge amount of grief in it that you need to allow yourself to feel. Many of you have a huge amount of fear about feeling this grief because you feel that if you feel the grief, the men will be able to hurt you again. We convince ourselves that if we feel our anger and release it all, that leaves an opening for somebody to do the same damage to us again. We believe that the anger is protective.

Mary: It's like the barbed wire fence around us. If we get rid of it, oh my gosh, then I'm going to be soft and vulnerable with men and what might they do?

"They'll attack me." The reality is that in your life you will receive far more attack when you are in a state of anger with men than you're ever going to receive when you're in a state of softness with men. But none of you believe that yet because many of you are doing exactly the opposite. And when I say that none of you believe that, literally none of you believe that if you become soft and vulnerable and open and take risks with men you're actually going to be in a safer place than if you keep the barbed wires up. [01:00:04.01]

And this is immaterial of your sexual orientation. This is something you believe about men and it's exactly what these spirits believe about men by the way, exactly the same thing. They believe that if you become open and vulnerable and put your defences down that's when you get hurt; that's what they believe.

Mary: And the other thing I'm feeling to talk about is about what happens then, because all of us women have that same injury. As soon as a woman takes a step to take down the barbed wire, she not only faces her own fear but there is a huge pressure from other women to...

To put the barbed wire fence up.

Mary: ... to put the barbed wire fence back up. That she's being weak, that she's actually going to be controlled by the man, that she's just setting us back fifty years in terms of women's lib and you know all of this kind of projection, and that's a very unloving thing to project at your sisters. But also to be aware that many times the reason we don't shift on this issue is not just about our unfelt grief and stuff with men, but it's also the terror we have of women.

Every time barriers come down in our relationship and there's more risk taking, Mary gets attacked on the internet by other women saying that I'm controlling her. Every single time. If you really knew Mary you would understand that she's not able to be easily controlled (Laughter) and that's one of the things I love about her. She receives a lot of attack from women the instant that she reduces the barrier within herself towards me.

Mary: And sadly that is where I'm at now. This is one of the biggest blocks I have. I'm really afraid of women, and I'm working on that feeling.

And this is a camaraderie feeling between women...

Mary: ... the sisterhood.

The sisterhood. This is something our spirit friends have been talking about to us for months now. This sisterhood is basically saying, "Don't any other woman have a different opinion to me because if you do, you've betrayed the whole female gender. You've betrayed us." Often a woman who changes receives more rage from other women than she does from other men. Many of you women see it in men. You know the man who goes out fishing and he's away from his wife half of his life, he's out doing his thing with his mates, what's the feeling in you? That he loves his mates more than he loves you. And the reality is that you're dead right, many times he does.

Also when he spends more time with you, what do his mates say? "You're under the thumb, getting pushed around by the woman again." [01:03:52.26]

Mary: The handbrake; she's the handbrake. (Laughter)

More derogatory remarks are generally made. Now you can see that happening in men, yet you're often not seeing that happening between yourselves. This is also happening between yourselves, but it's a different kind of pressure to the mateship thing. It's a sisterhood pressure, and it actually helps the genders remain aloof from each other. In the Celestial heavens there is not a single meeting, a single event that doesn't have both men and women involved. There is no baby shower without men there. There's no buck's night. (Laughter) There are no hen's nights, there's no women's group, there's no men's group.

Mary: It's something that we feel very passionate about; probably that's why we're raving on about it. This idea that only women understand women and men understand men is something that we feel so strongly is in error, and we really want to correct it.

I remember a year or two ago you were invited to a baby shower, remember?

Mary: More like three years ago.

Three years ago. Mary was invited to a baby shower and she really wanted to go, but she wanted me to come along, too. She rang up the person and said, "Look, I really want to come to your baby shower but I want to bring along AJ as well." And the answer was "No."

Mary: "No, it's traditional."

Now Mary really wanted to go.

Mary: Yes, and I said, "Okay, I'm sorry I can't come because I actually don't agree with having separate male/female things." She was a mother who was actually quite understanding and she said, "Look, if it weren't my best friend running the shower I'd agree with you. I hope my husband comes to the shower." So her feeling is, "I want men to be there too, but because of my best friend, who's a woman, I'm not allowed." I said, "I'm not going to come, have a great shower." Then her sister emailed me and was quite angry with me that I wasn't going to the shower. Can you see how much woman control of other women there was in that little interaction?

Participant: I've been doing a process on angry women and I realised the other day that when I was little I always had a pure desire that I wanted to be more than my mother. It was like an aspiration of wanting to be more. I feel like the projection that she felt was, "Who do you think you are? You're exactly like me." And this "Who do you think you are?" is a huge projection that I feel from women spirits, and I'm so scared to step out of the box and take risks because I just go, "Oh I can't." I'm still choosing not to cry because I'm in so much fear of the attack, but I was getting a bit rebellious, like "I'm going to do it anyway even if you're attacking me, I'm going to do this, I'm going to have fun and force it." To really just sit and feel the fear – I'm not there yet - to soften to the women.

When we respond in anger to it, it doesn't help. It's a matter of feeling it through.

Participant: First it was, "Go away," and now it is, "I don't care; you can be there, do whatever." But either way is not loving.

No.

Participant: A few things are bubbling around. When you said her excuse was "it's traditional," that's just a story. It's not the real reason. At least men openly talk about being under a woman's thumb. There's no way you're going to hear women actually saying, "We're actually anti-men." It's almost like we've got beliefs we've inherited that are very deep within us, that we're probably not even aware of, that drive this behaviour.

Yeah, that's true, you do. A lot of them are multi-generational injuries of a lot of terror. In the past many women have been treated very, very badly. As a result there is a lot of terror multi-generationally in women and fear about how men are going to treat them. Even a man running off doing his own thing feels like a rejection, even when he's not rejecting you. [01:09:15.11]

There's also the feeling in many women that if they break the mould they're betraying every woman. And this is what many women spirits are playing on – this fear that many women on Earth have that if they are a different kind of woman, all the other women will either be jealous of them, afraid of them, or angry with them, but never their friend.

Participant: So we have to desire to be a different woman, to have different beliefs.

Yes. Many of you have yet to really allow yourself to feel a Celestial spirit who's a woman. If a female Celestial spirit came and sat in front of you right now, the majority of you would instantly either be in a rage with her or be bawling your eyes out. The rage would come because you feel jealous about her condition, or you'd be in so much grief about how different she feels to how you feel that you'd automatically be crying.

Every Celestial spirit, male and female, generally has that same effect on people on Earth – either rage or grief, nothing in between. You can see that that's the general response I get; it's either rage or grief and nothing in between, right? (Laughter) And that's because when a person sits before you who's completely open to all sorts of emotional experiences, completely nonjudgmental about all of those experiences, but in harmony with truth, the only things you can feel are either jealousy and competitiveness with the person – therefore, anger – or the contrast with your own condition and straight into grief.

16. Common emotional injuries in homosexual people

Participant: Is there a multi-generational emotion with homosexual male souls that sides with the sisterhood emotion?

Yes.

Participant: Whenever you guys talk about the emotions with women, feelings that women have towards men, I'm, like, nodding my head. (Laughter)

Many homosexual males have a lot of issues with their mothers because generally during childhood they sided with their mothers. The homosexual male generally has a bit more softness in his soul towards the feminine and therefore, in the unhealed condition, is going to feel a bit more of an attraction to the mother than the father. When you're fully healed you will be masculine and have feelings of femininity in amongst that. It's the very same for lesbian couples, by the way. The key if you're a lesbian couple, or a homosexual person of any gender, is to stop separating yourself from the rest of society in terms of injuries and to start seeing that our injuries come from how we were brought up. In pretty much every case we have some severe injuries either from our mother or our father or from both that we need to address. Our sexual orientation doesn't create any differences in that regard with the exception that we have often one additional injury. There is a deep condemnation in society of homosexuality. It is a religious condemnation – Christianity, Buddhism the Muslim religion, and other religions on the planet... we are talking about the majority of mankind on the Earth who have a religious format. [01:13:45.20]

Mary: Even in Australia, the least religious country in the world, there are still a lot of Christian themes in our society.

If you think about it, this is why many homosexual people have difficulty with God. It's not because of God, it's the religion's viewpoint of homosexuality that causes the homosexual person to have a large degree of grief, which is often suppressed, about how they are being treated by society and by their own parents, and this affects their relationship with God or their beliefs about God.

My suggestion is to remember that a homosexual person generally has exactly the same set of injuries as the average person. It doesn't matter whether you're heterosexual or homosexual, you have mother- and father-based injuries that need to be worked through. But you have two additional injuries given to you by society because of society's very terrible viewpoint of homosexuality, a viewpoint that is religious in nature in almost all cases. They are telling you that you can never connect to God while you're homosexual. An additional emotional injury is a general feeling of rejection by society. These two injuries are the cause of much of your internal grief, do you understand?

A good 80% to 90% of people are naturally heterosexual. As a result of this and the terrible condemnation of homosexuality because of the fear of it, mankind has created these two additional injuries for a homosexual individual. But remember that all of the other injuries are pretty much identical to any other person that might have been brought up in the same situation with some little twists here and there because of who you sided with when you grew up. [01:15:51.28]

Participant: In a case similar to myself, if a heterosexual man had sided with women he might feel quite similar to me?

Yes, very similar to you, and in fact you may even be attracted to him because he's feeling exactly the same as you even though he's a heterosexual man. If you think back at some of your attractions with heterosexual men, you can see that many of them had the same feelings towards women that you had.

We grew up with individual emotional issues through our environment, and our environment was dominantly our mother and father. Dominantly it was our parents that brought us up so they are the ones that have the major impact upon our emotional issues.

However, there are some parts of society that have issues to address in addition to the individual ones, and there are some spirits in the spirit world that have additional issues to address. Those additional issues have to do with the dominant belief of society imposed upon that group of people. For example, a homosexual person has what I've just mentioned, these two dominant things. Most homosexual people on Earth and in the spirit world have the injury of "I can't connect to God if I'm homosexual because the religion condemns me," and then the other injury of general rejection by society.

Look at it historically. Look at being a black man in America, particularly in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's. What would have been your additional emotional injury? There's all this rejection - every single day rejection, rejection, rejection. Imagine you were an Indian person of the class of the untouchables. Every day you're in a latrine or a sewer, cleaning it out for other people. You barely have enough to eat. Every single day it's like that for all your life.

The injuries that a homosexual carries are no different to the injury of the "untouchable" man. They are very similar rejections. He's being rejected by society and he's also being told that he's not even worthy to connect to God, almost the same kind of rejection that a homosexual person is receiving.

We need to understand this if we're going to help our spirit friends who are in dark places because of these projections. We need to come to understand that many people have had far more emotional impositions upon them than we ourselves have had. We're quite fortunate that we haven't had them because some of them are terrible, terrible impositions, and we need to learn to have compassion for all of those things. [01:20:23.20]

If there are some people on Earth who can understand that, then we have the ability to help all of those spirits. Every spirit in the spirit world who's ever been treated with racism, every spirit in the spirit world who's ever been told that they're no good, that they're going to be a slave for the rest of their existence, every spirit who has had all sorts of other problems including things like Down's Syndrome, autism, people who have been put in asylums for all of their life, never honoured, never respected, never considered, these people are going to have additional things that we need to help them with, and the only way that we can really help them is by connecting to their experience and understanding it.

So if an angry homosexual male comes along and wants to speak with us, he's not going to get much help if all we're going to do is condemn him or impose our religious beliefs upon him, or criticise him because he hasn't dealt with his mum stuff yet. "Why can't you connect to God? God's just there. Like, what's the problem?" If we have all this sort of condescending viewpoint towards him, we have no hope of helping him.

You know you, Kenny, are a member of a group of people who have been criticised constantly for their height, and you know how bad that is. Many people in this group still condescend to you, and one reason they do is that they feel this neediness you have, and they get condescending about it. Many of you when you think of Kenny feel condescending; you feel like he doesn't deserve your time because he's so needy, not understanding the life he's had.

He's had quite a bad life in comparison to many of you because of this issue – being put down a lot of his life, ignored a lot of his life because of that issue. You see, if we love our brothers and sisters, we will start seeing those things instead of going, "Oh, Kenny, I'm tired of dealing with Kenny, he's just so needy all of the time, it's exhausting." Instead of doing that, you'd have compassion with Kenny, you'd want to know why he's so needy, you'd want to say, "Kenny, you're a nice person, what's going on with this neediness?" And every time Kenny's needy with you, you go, "Kenny, you're being needy with me again," just to help him understand what he's doing. But you wouldn't condemn him for it.

It's the same with our spirit friends and it's the same with society generally – we'd have a lot more love rather than condemnation. [01:23:25.20]

Participant: I'm a heterosexual person, I'm in a non marginalised group mainly, but I found that I was carrying a lot of beliefs about homosexuality. When I became friends on the path with people who are homosexual, I found I had a lot of repentance to do to change some of those beliefs. And the same is true, is it not, for all of those marginalised groups?

Yes.

Participant: So we're all holding those beliefs.

Yes. The whole reason they're marginalised and feel terrible is that society generally, all of us people who are "normal", who think we're "normal," we have marginalised the people who are not "normal" and therefore all of us have played a part in their rejection.

Participant: And still are.

... and still are, unless we work through the emotion, and this is all part and parcel of our work that we need to do. If we're going to become good mediums, can you see how the work we do on ourselves is of primary importance?

17. Closing words

We would like you to consider what we've said tonight and try to put some of it into practice in your personal lives. If you do, you'll find that the times you get together for mediumship nights are going to be far more enjoyable, and you'll learn a lot more by the process of experimenting. If we could just encourage you to really feel that you would like to become more loving with how we treat each other, and to notice when we're not, to make a commitment internally to notice when we're not. To notice when we're trying to justify our anger.

Mary: We might find this path because we have some desire to grow in love and to love humanity or serve humanity. Then often when we're confronted with the truth about what's inside of us, or the universe even, I notice a lot of people can get stuck in anger and quickly lose sight of the reason they were drawn to the path in the first place. If you can just be humble to those things and recall your desire, those pure desires that are within you, and have faith in yourself and God that you can actually live in those desires, through that process you'll become humble. You will become humble if you really want those things.

17.1. Developing faith in the ability to change

And also develop faith in God that you can change. Some of us feel quite disillusioned about change. We look back on our life and often we haven't changed very much. We're plugging away, looking at things, but sometimes not much change happens. We need to at least have some faith that we can change before we will actually change, and it's important to try to hold onto this faith.

There are many influences around you, both on Earth and in the spirit world, that would love to cause you to believe that you can't change, that you're consigned to your current condition, current life, current happiness or unhappiness for the rest of your existence. Because of this belief, many spirits are in the hells of the spirit world. Or they are Earth-bound – they don't want to go to the spirit world because they believe they can't change. If we can have some faith ourselves that we can change, when we talk to our spirit friends, our faith that we can change will make them feel like they have the ability to change too. That is going to encourage them, as you can imagine. [01:28:02.13]

Mary: And the more you act in faith that you can change, the more you really act on these principles we talk about, the more your faith will grow as well because you see it start to work. Our spirit friends keep giving me this picture of the bonfire, all of them standing around the bonfire, so it's obviously a big desire for them.

17.2. Developing love for others

We would like to encourage you in closing to practise love with each other. Practise love with each other rather than just talking about love and acting out of harmony with it, do you see? We can start really practising love with each other, noticing when we're unloving and going, "Yes, I need to address this issue and it's urgent for me to address this issue." Many of you feel a lack of urgency to address the unloving issues.

We often have conversations when people say, "Now you're expecting me to become more loving." I go, "Yeah." (Laughter) "That's why I thought we were here, right?" And when I say expecting I don't expect anyone to become more loving, but obviously we're here because we want to learn more about love, yet often we almost justify our being in the unloving condition. Often I receive emails from people saying, "You want me to be more advanced than I am." I write back to them, "Well, God wants you to be perfect actually, so why wouldn't you want to be more advanced than you currently are? I don't understand what's the problem."

17.3. Becoming perfect as God created us to be

We want to inspire you with this last thought: We all have the ability to be perfect. God created you with the ability to become perfect. If you receive Divine Love and you connect with God and you work through the issues of humility and truth, you will become perfect. Don't accept imperfection.

Many of us accept imperfection. We almost justify imperfection. One email I got this week said, "You know I'm a work in progress; that's why I'm projecting anger at you, I'm a work in progress. How you can expect me to be any different? You're a work in progress, too." You know what I wrote back? "The difference between me and you is that I never justify inside of myself an angry projection at another person just because I'm a work in progress." [01:31:20.06]

If you can, remember that your Father desires you to be as He created you to be.

Mary: He has the knowledge that you can be.

Yeah, He has the knowledge that you can be that. Often we don't believe we can be when we start this process. But remember and have faith that God only creates perfect things, and all we need to do is allow God to help recreate us or rebirth us into becoming the perfect thing. Don't accept or justify imperfection within yourself. You do need to allow it in the sense that you do need to know that you have it, you do need to stop condemning yourself for having it, and you do need to love yourself even though you have it. I'm not suggesting to not do any of those things, but I am saying not to justify the fact that you have it.

Participant: It's like "doing my best."

"I'm now doing my best, you've all got to put up with me." The reality is that none of us should ever have to put up with another person being unloving, and the fact that we do is a gift that we give to the other. If I'm unloving and Mary still loves me, she's giving me a gift of her love.

Mary: And if I love, I'll desire to do that as well.

If I justify "I'm a work in progress, and that's why I punched you in the nose," I am now justifying staying in an unloving condition, which is a very unloving thing to do. So we'd ask you to consider what you might look like when you're perfect and actually hold onto that in your imagination. That's what you're working towards. Think about and feel about what it might feel like to be perfect, what it might feel like to interact with other people, and what it might feel like to be at-one with God. You might not know what it's like; just imagine what it might feel like, and hold onto the faith of obtaining that condition. Then whenever something unloving happens within you, instead of condemning it, you'd at least notice it, and you'd go, "This is not perfect. Okay, so what am I going to do about that?" At least you are now noticing things and allowing yourself to develop in love, and you have a chance of change when you do that. If you justify the imperfection, can you see that there's not much chance of changing from that state?

I hope you enjoy what you're doing over the next few months and embrace those passions and desires because I feel that if all of us do that, we have a great ability to change everything around us, not just our own life, but we can touch lots and lots of people's lives. Thank you, everyone. (Applause)

