 
CANADA AFTER THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT COMMITTED TO CERTAIN 
CONDITIONS TO TRY AND HELP 
WORKPLACES STAY SAFER AND MAKE 
SURE THAT SOME OF THOSE 
BUSINESSES ARE RESPECTING THE 
CONDITIONS TO BE PUT IN PLACE.
BUT THIS THIRD WORKER CONFIRMED 
DEAD AS OF SUNDAY.
WE'RE ALSO EXPECTING THE PRIME 
MINISTER TO ANSWER MORE 
QUESTION ABOUT CHINA AFTER 
CHINA SAYING THIS MORNING THE 
PRIME MINISTER'S COMMENTS THIS 
FRIDAY WERE, QUOTE, 
IRRESPONSIBLE.
HERE'S THE PRIME MINISTER OF 
CANADA.
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: I 
WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO 
RECOGNIZE ALL THOSE AFFECTED BY 
FOREST FIRES IN SAGUENAY-LAC 
ST. JEAN.
THIS IS HAPPENING IN A PERIOD 
THAT IS ALREADY DIFFICULT.
OUR THOUGHTS ARE WITH YOU AND 
ALL THE FIREFIGHTERS AND FIRST 
RESPONDERS WHO ARE WORKING HARD 
TO CONTAIN THE FIRE.
AND PROTECT PEOPLE.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: FOR 
MANY PEOPLE, IT IS STARTING TO 
FEEL LIKE WE'VE TURNED A CORNER.
BUSINESSES ARE RE-OPENING THEIR 
DOORS TO SERVE THEIR 
COMMUNITIES.
EMPLOYERS ARE PUTTING NEW 
PRECAUTIONS IN PLACE TO KEEP 
PEOPLE SAFE AND RIGHT ACROSS 
THE COUNTRY, BUSINESS OWNERS 
ARE USING THE WAGE SUBSIDY TO 
GET BACK ON THEIR FEET AND 
REHIRE THEIR EMPLOYEES.
BY USING THIS BENEFIT, 
EMPLOYERS HAVE HELPED 2 .6 
MILLION CANADIAN STAY IN THE 
WORKPLACE.
THESE ARE JOBS THAT PEOPLE RELY 
ON TO PAY THEIR BILLS AND TO 
PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE.
JOBS THAT MATTER TO CANADIANS 
AND TO THEIR FAMILIES.
TAKE ROMERS IN VANCOUVER AND 
PORT MOODY.
THEY USED THE WAGE SIX  -- 
SUBSIDY TO REHIRE 150 EMPLOYEES 
AND RE-OPEN THREE NEIGHBOURHOOD 
RESTAURANTS OR ENABLE EDUCATION 
IN MILTON WHO APPLIED FOR THE 
BENEFIT AND WERE ABLE TO KEEP A 
TEAM OF 18 PEOPLE EMPLOYED AND 
BUSY.
AND THAT IS WHAT THIS PROGRAMME 
IS ALL ABOUT.
EVEN AS THINGS START TO IMPROVE 
FOR MANY PEOPLE, WE ALSO HAVE 
TO REMEMBER THAT SOME 
INDUSTRIES HAVE BEEN HIT HARDER 
THAN OTHERS.
AND IF YOU WORK IN ONE OF THOSE 
SECTOR, IT MIGHT TAKE LONGER TO 
FIND A JOB.
IN THE COMING WEEKS, WE WANT 
YOU TO FOCUS ON FINDING WORK, 
NOT BE WORRYING ABOUT YOUR 
BENEFITS.
SOs 
AS I ANNOUNCED ON TUESDAY, 
WE'RE EXTENDING THE CERB BY TWO 
MONTHS.
THIS HELP WILL CONTINUE TO BE 
THERE FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: IN 
RECENT MONTHS, WE HAVE 
INTRODUCED A SERIES OF 
PROGRAMMES TO HELP CANADIANS 
GET THROUGH THESE TOUGH TIMES.
FROM THE OUTSET WE SAID AS THE 
SITUATION EVOLVED, OUR RESPONSE 
WOULD AS WELL.
SO WE DECIDED TO EXTEND THE 
EMERGENCY RESPONSE BENEFIT AND 
THE EMERGENCY WAGE SUBSIDY.
WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES 
PEOPLE ARE FACING NOW AND WE 
WANT TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME 
TO FIND WORK.
OF COURSE, IT IS NOT ALWAYS 
EASY TO GO BACK TO WORK.
A LOT OF BUSINESSES WILL HAVE 
TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY DO 
THINGS IN ORDER TO RE-OPEN.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 
PROTOCOLS OR PROCEDURES TO BE 
FOLLOWED DURING THE RECOVERY, 
WE ARE NOW PROVIDING A NUMBER 
OF RESOURCE FOR YOU.
THE CANADIAN WORKPLACE HEALTH 
AND SAFETY CENTRE HAS JUST 
PUBLISHED ON ITS WEBSITE 
INFORMATION ON PUBLIC HEALTH 
WHICH CONSTITUTES A GREAT 
SOURCE OF INFORMATION.
IT HAS ALSO LAUNCHED AN ONLINE 
PORTAL WHERE BUSINESSES CAN 
SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE AND BEST 
PRACTICES, WHETHER THEY'RE 
TRICKS ON DISINFECTING THE 
WORKPLACE OR HOW TO WEAR A MASK.
WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO 
IN THE COMING MONTHS.
BUT BY WORKING TOGETHER, 
GOVERNMENTS, BUSINESSES AND 
CITIZENS, WE WILL GET THROUGH 
THIS.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: AND 
BUSINESSES RETOOLING THEIR 
OPERATIONS TO PRODUCE HAND 
SANITIZER AND PEOPLE FINDING 
CREATIVE WAYS TO STAY SAFE, THE 
LAST FEW MONTHS HAVE SHOWN US 
THE POWER OF THINKING OUTSIDE 
THE BOX.
GOING FORWARD, THAT WILL SERVE 
US VERY WELL.
BECAUSE FINDING NEW WAYS OF 
DOING THINGS AND COLLABORATING 
BETWEEN SECTORS YIELDS GREAT 
RESULTS.
IN FACT, IN TECH AND 
AGRICULTURE, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN 
THAT POTENTIAL.
AS PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD EAT 
MORE PLANT-BASED PRODUCTS, WE 
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING 
TOGETHER CANADIAN INNOVATION 
AND CANADIAN PROPS AND A CHANCE 
TO CREATE GOOD, WELL-PAYING 
JOBS.
WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED IN THE 
SPACE WITH THE PRAIRIES-BASED 
PROTEIN INDUSTRIES SUPERCLUSTER 
SUPPORTING THOUSANDS OF JOBS.
THIS INDUSTRY IS GROWING FAST 
SO WE'RE NOT STOPPING THERE.
TODAY I CAN ANNOUNCE THAT OUR 
GOVERNMENT IS CONTRIBUTING 
ALMOST $100 MILLION FOR THE NEW 
MERIT FUNCTIONAL FOODS LOCATION 
IN WINNIPEG.
THIS FACILITY WILL BE A WORLD 
LEADER IN PLANT-BASED PROTEINS 
AND WILL CREATE GOOD JOBS IN A 
FAST-GROWING FIELD.
AND BY USING 100% CANADIAN 
INPUTS, IT WILL ALSO SUPPORT 
FARMERS WHO PRODUCE THE CANOLA 
AND YELLOW PEAS USED IN 
MERRITT'S PRODUCTS.
STANDING UP FOR HARD-WORKING 
FARMERS, CREATING GOOD JOBS, 
SETTING UP CANADA FOR SUCCESS 
ON THE WORLD STAGE, THESE ARE 
THINGS THAT OUR GOVERNMENT WILL 
ALWAYS GET BEHIND.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: I 
WANT TO CLOSE THIS MORNING BY 
TALK ABOUT WHAT CANADA IS DOING 
ON THE GLOBAL STAGE.
THE PANDEMIC HAS REVEALED GAPS 
THAT REMAIN AND THAT ARE 
HARMING TOO MANY PEOPLE AROUND 
THE WORLD.
OF COURSE, FOR MANY WOMEN AND 
GIRLS, INEQUALITY IN THE AREA 
OF HEALTH CARE IS NOTHING NEW.
IT'S A REALITY THEY SEE ON A 
DAILY BASIS.
AGAIN, NOW, WOMEN AND GIRLS 
HAVE TO FIGHT IN ORDER TO GET 
BASIC CARE AND DIE OF DISEASES 
THAT CAN BE PREVENTED.
TOO OFTEN THE RIGHT OF WOMEN TO 
MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR OWN 
BODIES IS QUESTIONED.
SINCE WE TOOK OFFICE, WE HAVE 
PUT GENDER EQUALITY AT THE 
CENTRE OF EVERYTHING WE DO AND 
THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CONTINUING 
TO DO NOW.
THIS MORNING, MINISTER GOLD IS 
TAKING PART IN THE SHE DECIDES 
NOW CONFERENCE AND WILL 
ANNOUNCE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT 
INTENDS TO INVEST ALMOST $94 
MILLION TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH 
AND SEXUAL AND REPRODUCTIVE 
RIGHTS OF THE MOST VULNERABLE 
WOMEN AND GIRLS IN THE WORLD.
THAT FUNDING WILL MAKE IT 
POSSIBLE TO OFFER A RANGE OF 
SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S HELPING 
MIDWIVES IN SOMALIA OR 
COUNTERING SEXUALLY-BASED 
VIOLENCE IN ROHINGYA REFUGEE 
CAMPS.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: HAS 
BEEN AN UNPRECEDENTED CHALLENGE 
FOR OUR COUNTRY AND ALSO AN 
IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY, TO 
FIGURE OUT WHAT REALLY MATTERS 
IN OUR COMMUNITIES, TO HAVE 
MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT 
HOW WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THOSE 
AROUND US.
AND PERHAPS, ABOVE ALL, TO 
THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF FUTURE 
WE WANT TO BUILD TOGETHER.
WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO SHAPE OUR 
COUNTRY AND OUR WORLD FOR THE 
BETTER AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE UP 
TO THAT TASK.
MERCI.
>> [Speaking French] 
>> Operator: THANK YOU.
MERCI.
PLEASE PRESS STAR 1 IF YOU HAVE 
A QUESTION.
[Speaking French] 
>> Reporter: [Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: GOOD 
MORNING, MR. TRUDEAU.
I'D LIKE YOU TO COMMENT ON THE 
AGREEMENT WITH MEXICO ABOUT 
SEASONAL AGRICULTURAL WORKERS.
FIRST, CAN YOU TELL US EXACTLY 
HOW MANY OTHER AGRICULTURAL 
WORKERS WILL BE ABLE TO COME IN?
AND THE PREMISES OF THAT 
AGREEMENT.
AND ALSO TELL US ABOUT YOUR OWN 
RESPONSIBILITIES.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ANYONE WHO 
WORKS IN CANADA MUST BE ABLE TO 
DO SO IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
NOW UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE SEEN 
FOR TOO MANY TEMPORARY WORKERS, 
THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
NOW OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE WORKING 
BOTH WITH THE AFFECTED 
COUNTRIES AND BID OWNERS TO 
ENSURE THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY 
WE HAVE THE PROPER PROTECTIONS 
IN PLACE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
SO, YES, WE'LL CONTINUE TO 
RECEIVE THOSE WORKERS.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT INDUSTRY 
FOR THE FOOD CHAIN IN CANADA 
AND WE'LL BE DOING EVEN MORE TO 
ENSURE THAT ALL THE RULES ARE 
BEING FOLLOWED AND ANYONE 
WORKING HERE IN CANADA IS 
PROPERLY PROTECTED.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: IT'S 
OBVIOUS WE NEED TO DO A BETTER 
JOB OF ENSURING THAT OUR RULES 
ARE FOLLOWED FOR THE TEMPORARY 
WORKERS IN CANADA.
OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE AN IMPORTANT 
PART OF OUR FOOD SUPPLY CHAIN.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO ENFORCE 
THE RULES AROUND HOW THEY'RE 
SUPPORTED, HOW THEY'RE TREATED.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WORKS 
IN CANADA DESERVES TO DO SO IN 
A SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND, 
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT HASN'T 
ALWAYS HAPPENED.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO ENSURE THAT 
THE SYSTEMS ARE IN PLACE, THAT 
THEIR CITIZENS ARE PROTECTED 
WHILE THEY'RE WORKING HERE.
EVEN AS WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE 
PEOPLE TO WORK ON OUR FARMS 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
FOLLOW-UP?
YES, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE 
STATUS OF REFUGEE 
ASYLUM-SEEKERS WHO WERE WORKING 
IN THE HEALTH CARE SECTOR 
DURING THE PANDEMIC.
WE WERE TOLD THAT DISCUSSIONS 
WITH QUEBEC HAVE BEEN 
PROGRESSING BUT IT SEEMS TO BE 
MORE COMPLEX THAN INITIALLY 
STATED.
ARE WE GETTING CLOSE TO 
REGULARIZING THEIR STATUS?
WELL, WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT 
THOSE PEOPLE WHO STEPPED 
FORWARD TO HELP US AT A TIME OF 
GREAT VULNERABILITY FOR OUR 
SOCIETY AND OUR SENIORS DID A 
GREAT THING BY ASKING TO HELP.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH 
QUEBEC AND ALL LEVELS OF 
GOVERNMENT TO TRY AND THANK 
THEM PROPERLY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE A 
VERY RIGOROUS IMMIGRATION 
SYSTEM THAT APPLIES IN MANY 
DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.
AND FINDING EXCEPTIONS TO THAT 
SYSTEM IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN 
TAKE LIGHTLY.
SO, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON 
THIS ISSUE.
BUT THE FACT IS THAT WHEN YOU 
HAVE SUCH A STRONG AND 
WELL-ESTABLISHED IMMIGRATION 
SYSTEM AS WE DO IN CANADA, IT 
IS DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH 
EXCEPTIONS.
WE ARE TRYING BUT THIS IS NOT 
SOMETHING SIMPLE TO ACCOMPLISH.
>> Reporter: [Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, MR. TRUDEAU.
CANADIAN AIRLINES ARE ASKING 
YOUR GOVERNMENT TO LIFT THE 
RESTRICTIONS ON INTERNATIONAL 
TRAVEL.
WE SAW THAT THE U.S. BORDER 
AGREEMENT IS EXTENDED TO JULY 
21ST.
BUT IN TERMS OF INTERNATIONAL 
TRAVELS, WILL YOU BE GOING STEP 
BY STEP?
WILL YOU ALLOW TRAVELERS FROM 
CERTAIN COUNTRIES TO COME IN 
WHERE THE INFECTION IS NOT SO 
SERIOUS?
WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS IN THAT 
REGARD?
WELL, WHAT WE'VE SAID FROM THE 
VERY BEGINNING IS THAT THE 
HEALTH AND SAFETY OF CANADIANS 
IS OUSH TOP PRIORITY.
NOW OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PLACES 
IN THE WORLD WHERE THE CRISIS 
IS NOT AS SERIOUS, BUT THERE 
ARE ALSO PLACES WHERE IT IS 
STILL RAGING.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK CAREFULLY AT 
WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHEN WE CAN 
START TO RE-OPEN OUR BORDERS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE 
MANY TOURISM OPERATORS AND 
AIRLINES THAT WOULD LIKE US TO 
BE ABLE TO BRING IN TOURISTS 
AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME TO 
CANADA.
BUT THEY MUST UNDERSTAND THAT 
IF WE MOVE FORWARD TOO QUICKLY, 
AND IF WE'RE NOT ABSOLUTELY 
CERTAIN OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AT 
EVERY STEP, WE RUN THE RISK OF 
GETTING INTO A SECOND WAVE OF 
INFECTION AS WE'RE SEEING IN 
CERTAIN PLACES AROUND THE WORLD 
AND HAVING TO RECLOSE BOTH OUR 
ECONOMY AND PUT EVERYONE BACK 
INTO LOCKDOWN.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD 
GARAGE WILL BELIEVINGER I.
-- FORWARD GRADUALLY AND LOOK 
AT WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THE 
STEPS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN 
BASED ON AN INTERNATIONAL 
CONTEXT AS A WHOLE AND DOING 
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT 
CANADIAN AT EVERY STEP.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: I 
THINK THERE IS A LOT OF TOURIST 
OPERATORS, A LOT OF REGIONS IN 
THE COUNTRY AND COMPANIES LIKE 
AIRLINES THAT WE'D VERY MUCH 
LIKE THE SEE RETURN TO 
INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL SO WE CAN 
GOAT PEOPLE COMING IN HERE AND 
SUPPORTING OUR LOCAL 
COMMUNITIES AND SEEING BUSINESS 
TRAVEL PICK UP AGAIN.
BUT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY AS WE 
LOOK AT THOSE NEXT STEPS, WE 
NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE 
KEEPING CANADIANS SAFE FIRST 
AND FOREMOST.
I UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT THIS 
IS AND HOW FRUSTRATING THIS IS 
FOR SOME PEOPLE.
BUT WE KNOW THAT RE-OPENING TOO 
QUICKLY OR CARELESSLY WOULD 
LEAD US TO A RESURGENCE THAT 
MIGHT WELL FORCE US TO GO BACK 
INTO LOCKDOWN, TO SHUT DOWN THE 
ECONOMY ONCE AGAIN AND NOBODY 
WANTS THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT 
SUPPORTS OUT FOR INDUSTRIES, 
FOR BUSINESSES LARGE AND SMALL 
AND FOR CANADIANS TO BE ABLE TO 
MAKE IT THROUGH THE COMING 
MONTHS BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE 
VERY, VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHEN 
AND HOW WE START RE-OPENING 
INTERNATIONAL BORDERS.
>> [Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
FOLLOW-UP?
NOW THE UNITED STATES SECRETARY 
OF STATE
[HARD TO HEAR INTERPRETER OVER 
REPORTER]
NOW FOR THE TWO MICHAELS IN 
CHINA, THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED 
CONSULAR ASSISTANCE SINCE MAY.
WILL YOU AT LEAST BE ABLE TO 
SECURE SOME RELAXATION OF THEIR 
CONDITION AND WHAT EXACTLY HAS 
AMBASSADOR BARTON BEEN ABLE TO 
DO?
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO BEGIN 
BY THANKING NOT ONLY THE UNITED 
STATES BUT OUR ALLY AND FRIENDS 
AROUND THE WORLD WHO HAVE 
STRONGLY EXPRESSED THEIR 
SOLIDARITY WITH CANADA AND 
THEIR CONDEMNATION OF THE 
ARBITRARY DETENTION OF THESE 
TWO CANADIANS.
IT IS A REAL SHAME TO SEE CHINA 
CONTINUE TO PUNISH CANADIANS.
FOR A DECISION THAT COMES OUT 
OF OUR INDEPENDENT JUDICIAL 
SYSTEM INVOLVING MS. MENG AND 
WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR MORE 
CONSULAR ACCESS AND SEE THE 
RETURN OF THESE TWO CANADIANS 
TO CANADA.
IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION 
FOR THEM AND FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
BUT IT'S ALSO A VERY TROUBLING 
SITUATION FOR ALL CANADIANS.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE WHAT 
CHINA CONTINUES TO DO TO THESE 
TWO CITIZENS.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: I'D 
LIKE TO BEGIN BY THANKING YET 
AGAIN SO MANY OF OUR FRIEND AND 
STEADFAST ALLIES AROUND THE 
WORLD FOR SPEAKING UP AND 
CONDEMNING CHINA FOR THE 
ARBITRARY DETENTION OF TWO 
CANADIAN CITIZENS.
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, 
CHINESE AUTHORITIES HAVE MADE A 
DIRECT LINK BETWEEN THE 
DETENTION OF THESE TWO 
CANADIANS WITH THE JUDICIAL 
PROCESS UNDER WAY IN THE CASE 
OF THEIR CITIZEN, MADAME MENG.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE FULLY 
INDEPENDENT JUDICIAL SYSTEM 
THAT WILL CONTINUE ALONG ITS 
WAY AND WE CONDEMN THE 
ARBITRARY DETENTION OF THESE 
TWO CANADIAN CITIZENS.
WE CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR MORE 
AND BETTER CONSULAR ACCESS AND 
CONDITIONS FOR THEM, BUT 
ULTIMATELY WE CONTINUE TO PRESS 
AND ACT IN WAYS THAT WILL 
EVENTUALLILY GET THEM HOME SAFE 
TO THEIR FAMILIES.
>> THANK YOU.
OPERATOR, NEXT QUESTION ON THE 
PHONE.
>> Operator: NEXT QUESTION IS 
FROM THE CANADIAN PRESS.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> Reporter: YES, GOOD MORNING.
I'M CURIOUS WHEN IT COMES TO 
CHINA, THE GOVERNMENT IS SAYING 
THAT YOUR COMMENTS LAST WEEK 
ARE LINKING THE CASE AGAINST 
MENG TO THE CASE AGAINST THE 
CANADIANS ARE IRRESPONSIBLE AND 
THERE ARE NO LINKS BETWEEN THE 
TWO CASES.
WHAT MAKES YOU SURE THERE ARE 
LINKS BETWEEN THE TWO AND WHAT 
DO YOU SAY TO THE CHINESE 
CALLING YOUR COMMENTS 
IRRESPONSIBLE?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
WITHIN THE VERY FIRST FEW DAYS 
OF THE DETENTION OF MICHAEL 
KOVRIG AND MICHAEL SPAVOR, 
CHINESE OFFICIALS WERE 
HIGHLIGHTING A LINK BETWEEN THE 
DETENTION A WEEK BEFORE OF 
MADAME MENG AND THE ARREST OF 
THE TWO MICHAELS.
IT HAS BEEN OBVIOUS FROM THE 
BEGINING THAT THIS WAS A 
POLITICAL DECISION MADE BY THE 
CHINESE GOVERNMENT AND WE 
DEPLORE IT AND HAVE FROM THE 
VERY BEGINNING.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE 
STRONGLY AND FIRMLY FOR THE 
RELEASE OF THESE TWO CANADIANS 
WHO HAVE BEEN ARBITRARILY 
DETAINED AND WE WANT TO THANK 
ALL OF OUR FRIENDS AND ALLIES 
AROUND THE WORLD WHO HAVE 
CONSISTENTLY AND CONTINUALLY 
STEPPED UP TO HIGHLIGHT THE 
THAT THIS ARBITRARY DETENTION 
OF CANADIAN CITIZENS IS 
UNACCEPTABLE AND DEEPLY 
CONCERNING NOT JUST TO CANADIAN 
BUT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WHO 
SEE CHINA USING ARBITRARY 
DETENTIONS AS A MEANS TO 
POLITICAL LENS, WHICH IS 
ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE AND WE 
WILL CONTINUE TO STAND STRONG 
AND UNITED AROUND THE WORLD 
AGAINST THIS CHOICE OF ACTIONS 
BY CHINA.
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: FROM 
THE VERY BEGINNING, WE SAW THE 
CHINESE AUTHORITIES MADE A 
CONNECTION BETWEEN THE ARREST 
OF MS. MENG AND THE DETENTION 
OF THOSE TWO CANADIAN, MICHAEL 
KOVRIG AND MICHAEL SPAVOR.
WE DEPLORE THE FACT -- 
[Speaking French] 
>> FOLLOWING UP?
>> Reporter: YEAH.
WHEN I COMES TO HUAWEI AND 
CANADA'S 5G NETWORK, IS CANADA 
ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE A 
DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT 
HUAWEI WILL BE ALLOWED TO 
OPERATE IN CANADA FOR 5G AND 
WHY IS IT TAKING CANADA SO MUCH 
LONGER THAN THE OTHER 5Is 
PARTNERS?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WE 
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR 
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND 
SECURITY -- SECURITY OFFICIALS 
WHO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH OUR 
5Is PARTNERS AND ALLIES AROUND 
THE WORLD.
ON THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD 
FOR THE FUTURE OF 5G IN CANADA.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE OUR 
DECISIONS BASED ON SCIENCE AND 
RECOMMENDATIONS BY THOSE 
EXPERTS AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO 
DO OUR WORK ON THAT.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: WE 
WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR 
EXPERTS IN OUR SECURITY AND 
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND 
FOLLOW THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AS 
TO HOW WE CAN ENSURE THE 
SECURITY OF OUR 5G SYSTEM.
WE, OF COURSE, ARE WORKING WITH 
OUR ALLIES AS WELL, RIGHT 
AROUND THE WORLD, AND WE WILL 
BE MAKING A DECISION ON THAT AT 
THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
>> LAST QUESTION OVER THE PHONE.
>> Operator: NEXT QUESTION, 
BRIAN LILLEY, THE "TORONTO 
SUN", LINE UP.
>> Caller: I'D LIKE TO GO BACK 
TO THE REACTION FROM CHINA AND 
THE COMMENTS FROM THE MINISTRY 
SPOKESMAN SAYING THAT YOU 
SHOULD EARNESTLY RESPECT THE 
SPIRIT OF THE RULE OF LAW.
DO YOU THINK THAT CHINA 
ACTIVELY FOLLOWS THE RULE OF 
LAW IN THE CASES OF MICHAEL 
KOVRIG AND MICHAEL SPAVOR?
>> WE SAW IN THE VERY FIRST 
DAYS AFTER THE DETENTION, 
CHINESE OFFICIALS HIGHLIGHTED 
THAT THERE IS AN OBVIOUS LINK 
BETWEEN THE CASE OF MADAME MENG 
IN VANCOUVER BEING ARRESTED ON 
EXTRADITION -- IN OUR 
EXTRADITION TREATY AND THE 
DETENTION OF TWO CANADIANS ON 
SECURITY CHARGES.
THEY MADE THOSE LINKS FROM THE 
VERY BEGINNING AND CONTINUE TO 
PUT POLITICAL PRESSURE ON 
CANADA THROUGH THAT DETENTION, 
WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT NOT 
JUST WE DEPLORE, BUT COUNTRIES 
AROUND THE WORLD ARE SPEAKING 
UP TO DEPLORE BECAUSE THIS 
USING OF ARBITRARY DETENTIONS 
AS A MEANS TO ADVANCE POLITICAL 
GAINS IS SOMETHING THAT IS 
FULLY UNACCEPTABLE IN A WORLD 
THAT IS BASED ON RULE AND WE'LL 
CONTINUE TO STAND UP STRONGLY 
FOR OUR VALUE AND OUR 
PRINCIPLES.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: AS 
SOON AS THE TWO CANADIAN WERE 
ARRESTED, THE TWO THAT ARE NOW 
DETAINED IN CHINA, THE CHINESE 
AUTHORITIES HIGHLIGHTED THE 
FACT THAT THERE WAS A 
CONNECTION BETWEEN THEIR CASE 
AND THE CASE OF MS. MENG WHO 
WAS ARRESTED A COUPLE OF DAYS 
EARLIER AS PART OF AN 
EXTRADITION REQUEST FROM THE 
UNITED STATES.
SO, WE HAVE SAID THAT THIS IS 
NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR CHINA TO USE 
MECHANISMS LIKE AN ARREST TO 
ACHIEVE THEIR POLITICAL MEANS 
AND WE HAVE ALLIES AROUND THE 
WORLD THAT HAVE SHOWN 
THEMSELVES TO BE VERY CONCERNED 
ABOUT THE FATE OF THESE TWO 
CANADIANS BECAUSE THEY KNOW 
THAT THIS COULD VERY WELL 
HAPPEN TO THEM AT SOME POINT.
WE HAVE TO SHOW SOLIDARITY 
AGAINST THESE ARBITRARY 
DECISIONS.
>> Reporter: FROM THE BEGINNING 
OF THIS, CHINA HAS USED 
TACTICKS THAT COULD BE 
DESCRIBED AS FULLY TACTICS IN 
ADDITION TO DETAINING MICHAEL 
SPAVOR AND MICHAEL KOVRIG.
THEY'VE ALSO TARGETED VARIOUS 
INDUSTRIES.
HAVE YOU RAISED THIS WITH 
CHINESE OFFICIALS?
PUBLICLY YOU HAVE BEEN 
RELUCTANT TO CALL OUT CHINA TO 
THE SAME LEVEL TO THAT CHINESE 
HAVE CALLED OUT YOU AND 
CANADIAN MEDIA AND OTHERS.
HAVE YOU RAISED THIS WITH THEM 
AND HAVE YOU BEEN OUTSPOKEN 
ENOUGH WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING 
WITH THE AGGRESSIVE STANCE AND 
NATURE OF HOW CHINA HAS HANDLED 
THIS?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WE 
HAVE CONTINUED TO STAND UP FOR 
CANADIAN INTERESTS AND CANADIAN 
VALUES EVERY STEP OF THE WAY 
AND EVERY CONVERSATION WITH 
CHINESE OFFICIALS GOING BACK 
FIVE YEARS.
WE HAVE ALWAYS RAISED HUMAN 
RIGHTS ISSUES.
WE'VE ALWAYS RAISED CONCERNS.
WE HAVE AROUND CHINA'S 
ENGAGEMENT BOTH REGIONALLY AND 
WITH CANADA AND IN THE WORLD 
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS THE 
WORLD'S SECOND LARGEST ECONOMY, 
THEY HAVE ECONOMIC MIGHT AND 
LEVERS BUT CANADA WILL STAND 
STRONG TO SUPPORT FARMERS AND 
PRODUCERS WHILE AT THE SAME 
TIME DEFENDING INTERESTS OF 
CANADIANS ABROAD AND WHILE IN 
DETENTION IN CHINA.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: FROM 
THE VERY BEGINNING, CANADA HAS 
ALWAYS CLEARLY AND STRONGLY 
EXPRESSED ITS CONCERN ABOUT 
HUMAN RIGHTS IN CHINA AND 
ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD.
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE ALSO HIGHLIGHTED JUST 
HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO REFLECT 
CANADIAN VALUES, EVEN WHEN 
YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE LARGEST 
OR THE SECOND LARGEST ECONOMY 
IN THE WORLD AND WE EXPECT 
CANADIANS TO BE TREATED 
PROPERLY AND WE'LL BE THERE TO 
DEFEND OUR FARMER AND PRODUCERS 
AND ALL CANADIANSS IN 
DIFFICULTY.
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: I 
HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CERB.
SOME PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED WHEN 
THEY RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM 
C.R.A. SAYING THAT YOU ARE NOT 
ENTIGHT TOLD THE CERB THIS 
MONTH BECAUSE AT THE BEGINING 
THERE WERE TWO CHEQUES THAT 
WERE SENT TO YOU.
THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION OUT 
THERE AND SOME PEOPLE ARE NOW 
FINDING THEY'RE WITHOUT A CERB 
CHEQUE EVEN THOUGH THEY NEED IT 
TO PAY FOR THEIR RENT AND 
GROCERIES AND OTHER EXPENTSES.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE?
ALL CANADIAN WHO RECEIVE THEIR 
CERB RECEIVE UP TO $2,000 A 
MONTH.
AND WE WILL BE EXTENDING THE 
CERB FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO 
MONTHS.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE 
SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE RECEIVE 
THE MONEY EARLIER BECAUSE THEY 
NEEDED IT.
AND IT CREATED A BIT OF A 
CHALLENGE FOR THEM NOW.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW WE 
CAN HELP THEM.
AS I SAY, THIS IS THE SITUATION 
THAT IS DIFFICULT FOR A NUMBER 
OF FAMILY AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 
THAT CLOSELY.
NOW ON CHINA, YOU SAY YOU EAR 
DEFENDING CANADIAN VALUES.
BUT THAT APPARENTLY HAS YIELDED 
NO RESULTS.
THE TWO MICHAELS ARE STILL IN 
CHINA.
CHINA IS NOT CHANGING ITS 
POSITION AT ALL.
WILL YOU CHANGE AND STOP SAYING 
YOU ARE DEFENDING CANADIAN 
VALUES AND SHOW THAT YOU'RE 
DOING THAT AND TAKE DECISIONS 
THAT PROVE THAT?
OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS ALWAYS 
CANADIAN INTEREST AND 
PROTECTING CANADIAN CITIZENS.
THE RELEASE OF CANADIAN CITIZEN 
AND THE DEFENCE OF OUR VALUE 
AND INTERESTS.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE USE A 
VARIETY OF MEANS.
THERE ARE THINGS WE DO AND SAY 
PUBLICLY AND OTHER THINGS WE DO 
IN THE BACKGROUND.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING VERY 
HARD TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING 
CAN BE DONE TO HAVE THOSE TWO 
CANADIAN RELEASED AND WE'LL 
CONTINUE TO DO THAT BECAUSE, AS 
WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS, WE 
SUCCEEDED A NUMBER OF TIMES IN 
BRINGING CANADIANS HOME WHO HAD 
BEEN DETAINED UNFAIRLY AND WITH 
SOMETHING THAT WE DISAGREED 
WITH AND WE WILL USE THAT 
EXPERIENCE TO HELP THE TWO 
MICHAELS AS WELL.
>> Reporter: DAVID AKIN, GLOBAL 
NEWS, PRIME MINISTER.
THERE ARE LIBERAL MEMBERS OF 
YOUR PARTY IN THIS COUNTRY, THE 
FORMER DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER, 
JOHN MANLEY AMONG THEM, WHO SAY 
YOU SHOULD TRADE MENG FOR THE 
TWO MICHAELS, THAT THERE IS A 
PROCESS THAT YOUR JUSTICE 
MINISTER WILL GET A CHANCE IN 
THE PROCESS TO HAVE SOME INPUT 
AND MAKE A DECISION AND IF MENG 
SO *EZ THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU 
LOSE ALL LEVERAGE AND, AGAIN, 
THIS IS -- I'M USING THIS FROM 
MANLY'S WORDS, YOU SHOULD DO 
WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
THIS IS HARD-BALL POLITIC AND 
WE SHOULD TRADE UP.
ARE YOU AT ALL CONSIDERING THAT 
SORT OF THING?
BECAUSE CLEARLY THE CHINESE 
THINK THERE IS A QUID PRO QUO 
THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: NO, 
WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT.
CANADA HAS A STRONG AND 
INDEPENDENT JUSTICE SYSTEM.
WE WILL ENSURE THAT IT GOES 
THROUGH ITS PROPER FORCES AND 
ANYONE WHO'S CONSIDERING 
WEAKENING OUR VALUES OR 
WEAKENING THE INDEPENDENCE OF 
OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM DOESN'T 
UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF 
STANDING STRONG ON OUR 
PRINCIPLE AND OUR VALUES.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: NO, 
WE WILL NOT CONSIDER MAKING A 
DEAL IN -- BEHIND THE SCENES 
AND NOT RESPECT OUR JUDICIAL 
SYSTEM.
WE HAVE A STRONG, INDEPENDENT 
JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND WE CONTINUE 
TO RESPECT THAT SYSTEM EVERY 
TIME BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT 
CANADIANS EXPECT US TO DO.
AND THAT IS WHAT ALLOW US TO 
PROTECT OURSELVES AROUND THE 
WORLD.
>> Reporter: ONE OF THE THINGS 
THAT WE HEARD LEADING INTO IT 
WAS ONE OF THE VALUES OF HAVING 
THAT SEAT WAS THAT OUR 
AMBASSADOR WOULD BE BASICALLY 
EVERY DAY TALKING TO THE 
CHINESE AMBASSADOR AND THE TWO 
MICHAELS.
THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.
DOES THAT SET BACK YOUR ABILITY 
TO TALK TO CHINESE SENIOR 
DIPLOMATS AND I WONDERED IF YOU 
COULD SAY WHETHER OR NOT THE 
LOSS LAST WEEK WILL SPARK A 
BROADER RESET OF CANADIAN 
FOREIGN POLICY.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
OBVIOUSLY, OVER THE PAST  
YEARS, WE HAVE CONTINUALLY BEEN 
ENGAGING WITH COUNTRIES AENER 
THE WORLD, INCLUDING CHINA, ON 
DEFENDING CANADA'S INTERESTS 
AND STANDING UP FOR OUR VALUE 
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO.
AS I SAID MANY TIMES, A 
SECURITY COUNCIL SEAT WAS A 
MEANS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE 
CANADA'S VOICE PRESENT ON THE 
WORLD STAGE.
BUT NOT HAVING THAT SEAT 
CERTAINLY DOESN'T SLOW US DOWN.
EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN 
DOING AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO 
ON THE WORLD STAGE.
IT IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY 
IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY THROUGH 
THIS TIME OF COVID-19 THAT WE 
LOOK FOR GLOBAL SOLUTIONS, THAT 
WE STRENGTHEN MULTILATERALISM 
AND THE PARTNERSHIPS WE'VE 
BUILT WITH COUNTRIES IN AFRICA, 
COUNTRIES IN THE CARIBBEAN AND 
SOUTH AMERICA IN PARTICULAR ON 
RESPONDING TO THIS CRISIS AND 
LOOKING TO WHAT A BETTER WORLD 
COULD LOOK LIKE IS SOMETHING 
THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO 
AND, YES, REFLECT VERY 
CAREFULLY ON HOW CANADA CAN 
BEST CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT 
THE SOLUTIONS WE'RE FUTURING 
FORWARD ARE RESONATING PROPERLY 
AND HELPING ON THE WORLD STAGE.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: I 
THINK IT HAS BEEN CLEAR FOR A 
NUMBER OF YEARS THAT WE'RE 
ENGAGED DIPLOMATICALLY WITH 
EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, 
INCLUDING CHINA, AND THAT WILL 
CONTINUE.
THE SEAT ON THE U.N. SECURITY 
COUNCIL WAS AN ADDITIONAL MEANS 
OF ENSURING OUR VOICE WOULD BE 
HEARD ON THE INTERNATIONAL 
STAGE.
BUT ALL THE MEANS AVAILABLE TO 
US NOW WILL CONTINUE TO BE 
THERE.
AND, THEREFORE, WE'LL CONTINUE 
TO HAVE AN IMPACT.
OUR PARTNERSHIP IN AFRICA AND 
IN THE CARIBBEAN AND SOUTH AND 
CENTRAL AMERICA WILL BE VERY, 
VERY IMPORTANT IN THE ERA OF 
COVID-19.
BUT ALSO AS WE REBUILD AND 
TRANSFORM OUR WORLD FOR THE 
BETTER.
MUMENT LATERALISM, WORKING 
TOGETHER WILL BE IMPORTANT IN 
THE INTEREST OF CANADIANS BUT 
ALSO TO CREATE A MORE 
PROSPEROUS AND BETTER WORLD FOR 
ALL.
>> Reporter: WE HAVE TWO 
CANADIAN CITIZENS WHO HAVE BEEN 
UNJUSTLY DETAINED FOR CLOSING 
IN ON 600 DAYS NOW IN CHINA.
WITH NO CONSULAR SERVICES.
THEY'RE TORTURED BY LIGHT, NOT 
EVER SHUTTING OFF THE LIGHTS 
WHERE THEY LIVE.
WHY ARE YOU ONLY GOING SO FAR 
AS TO SAY YOU ARE DISAPPOINTED 
IN THAT?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: I 
HAVE HIGHLIGHTED FROM THE VERY 
BEGINNING OUR DEEP LEVEL OF 
CONCERN AND DISAGREEMENT WITH 
THE ARBITRARY DETENTION OF TWO 
CANADIANS.
WE HAVE EXPRESSED BOTH PUBLICLY 
AND PRIVATELY HOW FIRM WE ARE 
ON WANTING TO GET THEM BACK.
AND WE CONTINUE TO STAND UP FOR 
THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE 
JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND CANADIAN 
INTERESTS AND VALUES.
WE WORK BEHIND THE SCENE AND IN 
PUBLIC TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE 
UNDERSTANDS THAT WE WILL 
CONTINUE TO WORK EXTREMELY HARD 
TO GET THESE CANADIANS HOME.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: I'VE 
ALWAYS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT WE 
ANNOUNCE CHINA'S DECISION TO 
ARBITRARILY DETAIN THESE 
CANADIAN FOR POLITICAL REASONS 
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR 
THEIR RETURN TO CANADA AND WE 
DEPLORE CHINA'S DECISION TO 
PLAY POLITICAL GAMES ON THIS.
>> WE LEARNED THAT YOUR 
GOVERNMENT HAS RECEIVED A LEGAL 
OPINION, THAT THE JUSTICE 
MINISTER CAN INTERVENE IN THE 
CASE OF MENG WANZHOU.
I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR RESPONSE 
TO THIS LEGAL OPINION.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
THERE ARE TOOLS THAT EXIST THAT 
HAVEN'T BEEN USED IN A VERY, 
VERY LONG TIME.
WE'RE PROCEEDING IN A WAY THAT 
UPHOLDS THE INDEPENDENCE OF OUR 
JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND WE WILL NOT 
INTERFERE POLITICALLY IN THE 
UNFOLDING OF OUR RIGOROUS, 
INDEPENDENT JUSTICE SYSTEM.
[Speaking French] 
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
THERE ARE ALWAYS TOOL ON PAPER 
THAT HAVE NOT BEEN USED FOR A 
LONG TIME OR PERHAPS NEVER 
BEFORE.
AND THEY ARE THEORETICALLY 
AVAILABLE.
BUT WE HAVE CLEARLY STATED THAT 
WE WILL NOT INTERVENE 
POLITICALLY IN OUR JUDICIAL 
SYSTEM.
>> Reporter: HELLO.
YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS RECENTLY 
MADE A DEAL WITH MEXICO TO 
BETTER PROTECT MIGRANT WORKERS 
BUT THE DEAL COMES TOO LATE FOR 
THREE MIGRANT WORKERS WHO HAVE 
NOW DIED OF COVID-19 AND 
HUNDREDS OF OTHERS BATTLING THE 
VIRUS IN POOR ACCOMMODATION.
DO YOU FEEL THAT THE CANADIAN 
GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED THESE 
WORKERS?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WE 
BROUGHT IN STRONG MEASURES 
AROUND MANDATORY QUARANTINES 
FOR ARRIVING TEMPORARY FOREIGN 
WORKER AND HAVE RULES IN PLACE 
THAT PROTECT THOSE WORKERS.
WE ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED BY 
THAT AND THERE WILL BE 
CONSEQUENCES FOR COMPANIES THAT 
DID NOT FOLLOW THE RULE 
DESIGNED TO PROTECT WORKERS IN 
CANADA.
IN CANADA, ANYONE DOING WORK, 
LET ALONE ESSENTIAL WORK AS 
PART OF OUR FOOD CHAIN, NEEDS 
TO FEEL PROTECTED.
OBVIOUSLY IN THE CASE OF THESE 
THREE TRAGIC DEATHS, THAT 
WASN'T THE CASE.
AND WE ARE ENSURING THAT 
CHANGES ARE MADE AND THERE WILL 
BE CONSEQUENCES.
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: OF 
COURSE, WHOEVER WORKS IN  
CANADA DESERVES TO DO THAT IN A 
SAFE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT THE RULES WERE NOT FOLLOWED 
IN THE CASE OF THESE THREE 
MEXICAN CITIZENS.
THESE THREE WORKERS.
NOW WE DID BRO SBRO * DEUCE 
MEASURES TO ENSURE THERE WOULD 
BE A PROPER QUARANTINE PERIOD 
AND PROTECTIVE MEASURES FOR 
WORKERS.
HOWEVER, SOME PEOPLE VIOLATED 
THE RULES WITH RESPECT TO 
DISTANCING AND WORK CONDITIONS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EXACTLY 
WHAT OCCURRED BUT THERE 
CERTAINLY WILL BE CONSEQUENCES 
AND WE WILL HAVE TO ENSURE THE 
SYSTEM CHANGES TO HELP THE MOST 
VULNERABLE.
>> CLOSELY ENOUGH AND THAT YOUR 
GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO TRY TO 
DO MORE TO CHANGE THE SITUATION.
BUT WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT 
CONTINUING TO ALLOW MIGRANTS IN 
RIGHT NOW WHEN DOING SO 
JEOPARDIZES THEIR HEALTH AND 
WHAT CONCRETE STEPS IS YOUR 
GOVERNMENT GOING TO TAKE AND 
WILL THAT INCLUDE HIRING MORE 
INSPECTORS AND IF SO, HOW MANY?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
THERE ARE MANY FACILITIES 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT EMPLOY 
TEMPORARY FOREIGN WORKERS IN 
WHICH THERE ARE PEOPLE DOING 
IMPORTANT AND GOOD WORK TO 
CONTRIBUTE TO OUR SUPPLY CHAINS 
IN ESSENTIAL WAYS THAT KEEP 
CANADIANS FED.
THERE A NUMBER OF PLACES WHERE 
THOSE RULE AND PROTOCOLS 
HAVEN'T BEEN ADEQUATELY 
FOLLOWED AND WE'LL ENSURE THAT 
THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES WHILE AT 
THE SAME TIME, RECOGNIZING THE 
IMPORTANT WORK BROUGHT BY THESE 
TEMPORARY WORKERS TO THE 
CANADIAN ECONOMY AND TO 
CANADIANS THEMSELVES.
[Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
THERE ARE MANY PLACES AROUND 
THE COUNTRY WHERE WE HAVE 
TEMPORARY WORKERS WHO ARE IN 
SAFE AND SECURE CONDITIONS AND 
DOING GOOD WORK AND 
CONTRIBUTING TO PROVIDING FOOD 
TO CANADIAN AND THAT HAS TO 
CONTINUE.
BUT IN CASES WHERE WE SAW 
OUTBREAK, WE HAVE TO LOOK 
CAREFULLY AT THE CIRCUMSTANCES 
AND UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED 
AND WHETHER THERE NEEDS TO BE 
CONSEQUENCES.
>> Rosemary: ALL RIGHT.
THAT IS THE PRIME MINISTER OF 
CANADA ON THIS MONDAY GIVING 
HIS ALMOST DAILY BRIEFING ON 
COVID-19.
ALTHOUGH THE VAST MAJORITY OF 
QUESTIONS TODAY HAD TO DO WITH 
CHINA AND THE ONGOING DETENTION 
AND NOW CHARGING OF MICHAEL 
SPAVOR AND MICHAEL KOVRIG.
YOU HEARD THE PRIME MINISTER 
ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER 
CANADA WOULD CONSIDER STRIKING 
A DEAL WITH CHINA TO RELEASE 
MENG WANZHOU IN ORDER TO 
EXCHANGE BOTH OF THE MICHAELS 
AND HE WAS DEFINE -- DEFINITIVE 
AND SAID NO, WE ARE NOT 
CONSIDERING THAT.
I THINK WE'LL TALK ABOUT CHINA 
AND THE MIGRANT WORKERS IF WE 
CAN.
LET'S START WITH CHINA BECAUSE 
THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY THIS 
FOLLOWS SOME TOUGH TALK FROM 
CHINA TODAY SAYING THAT THE 
PRIME MINISTER'S REMARKS ON 
FRIDAY WERE IRRESPONSIBLE.
>> Vassy: YEAH.
THE REMARKS ON FRIDAY SAYING 
THAT THIS IS THE ARBITRARY 
DETENTION OF CANADIAN AND IT IS 
TIED TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH MENG 
WANZHOU, THE C.F.O.  OF HUAWEI 
A HUGE CHINESE TELECOM COMPANY, 
WHICH CANADA HAPPEN TO BE 
CONSIDERING THE QUESTION OF 
WHETHER OR NOT CANADA ENTERS 
THE 5G NETWORK.
HE CALLED IT ARBITRARY AS HE 
HAS A NUMBER OF TIMES AND YOU 
ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT WAS CHARACTERIZED BY CHINESE 
OFFICIALS AS IRRESPONSIBLE.
THEY SAY THE REMARK WERE 
IRRESPONSIBLE AND THAT WAS PUT 
TO THE PRIME MINISTER MANY 
TIMES DURING THIS PRESS 
CONFERENCE.
A WIDE VARIETY OF QUESTIONS 
FROM CHINA BUT MOST SAYING ARE 
YOU GOING SAY MORE THAN YOU'RE 
DISAPPOINT BY THIS.
HAVE YOU SAID MORE BEHIND THE 
SCENES AND, IN PARTICULAR, I 
THOUGHT THE ANSWER THAT WAS THE 
MOST INTERESTING WAS THE 
QUESTION AROUND JOHN MANLEY WHO 
IS WELL KNOWN IN THIS COUNTRY, 
FORMER DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER, 
MINISTER OF FINANCE.
HE HAS BEEN INTERVIEWED A 
NUMBER OF TIME ABOUT CHINA AND 
HE USED TO OCCUPY A ROLE HERE 
IN CANADA WHERE HE OVERSEES A 
NUMBER OF THE BIGGEST COMPANIES 
ON THE PUBLIC SCENE.
THE CANADIAN COUNCIL OF 
BUSINESS.
AND HE WAS ASKED WHAT TO DO IN 
THIS SITUATION AND WHAT HIS 
THOUGHTS ARE.
I'M PARAPHRASING HERE, BUT MUCH 
LIKE OTHERS, LIKE JOHN MCCALLUM 
IN THE PAST SURMISED ABOUT THE 
POSSIBILITY OF JUST GIVING UP 
MENG WANZHOU IN EXCHANGE FOR 
THOSE TWO MEN, MICHAEL KOVRIG 
OR MICHAEL SPAVOR, OR IF THAT'S 
WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE, WHICH 
IS VERY MUCH EVERYTHING WE 
HEARD FROM CHINA, THE RELEASE 
OF MENG WANZHOU, THEN THAT IS 
SOMETHING THAT CANADA SHOULD 
CONSIDER IF IT MEANT GETTING 
BACK MICHAEL KOVRIG AND MICHAEL 
SPAVOR.
AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT 
OUR COLLEAGUE OVER AT GLOBAL 
NEWS, DAVID AKIN, PUT TO THE 
PRIME MINISTER AND GOT THE MOST 
DETIN FIVE RESPONSE.
HE SAID NO, WE'RE NOT 
CONSIDERING THAT.
OR SUGGESTING OR CONSIDERING 
THAT IS AKIN TO WEAKENING OUR 
VALUES OR OUR PRINCIPLES AND 
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HE 
OR HIS GOVERNMENT IS PREPARED 
TO DO.
THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FROM OUR 
COLLEAGUE TOM PARRY WAS ALSO 
VERY INTERESTING IN THAT THERE 
IS A LEGAL OPINION AND IT IS 
KIND OF PROCEDURAL BECAUSE IT'S 
PLAYING OUT IN THE COURTS.
BUT BECAUSE IT IS AN 
EXTRADITION, THERE IS A POINT 
AT WHICH THE FEDERAL JUSTICE 
MINISTER IS ABLE TO SORT OF 
EITHER SIGN OFF OR NOT ON WHAT 
ENDS UP BEING DECIDED.
AND TOM PUT TO THE PRIME 
MINISTER THAT THERE IS A LEGAL 
OPINION THAT THE JUSTICE 
MINISTER IS IN RECEIPT OF, I 
THINK HE SAID THE TIMELINE WAS 
ABOUT A MONTH, WHICH SAYS HE 
CAN INTERVENE AND WHETHER OR 
NOT THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED OR 
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT 
HAPPEN.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE PRIME 
MINISTER WAS LESS DEFINITIVE 
THAN HE WAS TO DAVID.
BUT HE CERTAINLY DID NOT GIVE 
ANY INDICATION THAT THERE IS 
EVEN THE MOST REMOTE 
POSSIBILITY THAT THIS 
GOVERNMENT SOMEHOW GETS 
INVOLVED BEFORE THE COURT 
PROCESS PLAYS OUT.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THE 
GOVERNMENT HAS RULED OUT THE 
FINAL DECISION, SORT OF THAT 
SIGN-OFF, YES OR NO.
BUT THERE COULD BE YEARS IN 
WHICH THIS EXTRADITION HEARING 
PLAYS OUT IN THE COURTS.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE IS 
NO INTENTION ON THE PART OF THE 
PRIME MINISTER OR ANYONE IN 
GOVERNMENT TO DO WHAT IS AKIN 
TO SOMETHING THAT MR. MANLEY 
HAS SUGGESTED OR WHAT THIS 
LEGAL OPINION OFFERS THEM THE 
RIGHT TO DO.
THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF 
INTERESTING FALL-OUT FROM THAT.
HOW IS THAT PERCEIVED BY THE 
CHINESE AND CERTAINLY AT THE 
CORE OF ALL OF THIS, THE 
CONTEXT TO ALL OF THIS IS THAT 
THESE TWO GENTLEMEN I THINK ON 
FRIDAY HAD BEEN IN 557 DAYS IN 
WHICH THEY HAD BEEN DETAINED 
AND SINCE THE PANDEMIC BROKE 
SINCE JANUARY, THEY HAVE HAD NO 
CONSULAR ACCESS AS WELL.
EVEN THOUGH CANADA CONTINUES TO 
ASK FOR VIRTUAL CONSULAR 
ACCESS, THEY HAVE BEEN DENIED 
THAT AS WELL.
>> Rosemary: AND OBVIOUSLY A 
COUPLE OF THINGS.
THE LEGAL OPINION THAT TOM WAS 
TALK ABOUT WAS PREPARED BY, 
AMONGST OTHER PEOPLE, THE 
FORMER JUSTICE LOUISE ARBOUR 
THAT WOULD PUT PROGRAMME TERSE 
AROUND HOW THE GOVERNMENT COULD 
MAKE THAT DEFENCE.
THAT RELEASING MENG WANZHOU 
BACK TO CHINA NOT FOLLOWING 
THROUGH OR COMING TO TEND OF 
THE EXTRADITION PROCESS WOULD 
WORK.
I WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT IF 
THE GOVERNMENT'S LINE FOR LACK 
OF A BETTER WORD FROM THE 
BEGINNING HAS BEEN THIS IS AN 
INDEPENDENT TRIAL AS AN 
INDEPENDENT JUSTICE SYSTEM, IT 
WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DIAL THAT 
BACK IN ANY WAY, I SUPPOSE.
>> David: I'M NOT A LAWYER BUT 
I'M NOT REMOTELY SURPRISED THAT 
THE GOVERNMENT CAN INTERFERE 
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW EXTRADITION 
WORKS.
THE FINAL DECISION ON 
EXTRADITION AFTER THE COURT 
PROCESS GOES TO THE MINISTER OF 
JUSTICE AND ATTORNEY GENERAL'S 
DESK FOR A YAY OR NAY DECISION 
BY THE MINISTER.
AS MUCH AS THIS IS A LEGAL 
SYSTEM AROUND EXTRADITION, IT 
IS REALLY AN INSTRUMENT OF 
DIPLOMACY AND IT IS A POLITICAL 
DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT 
TO SEND SOMEONE ABROAD TO FACE 
TRIAL FOR CRIMINAL CHARGES IN 
ANOTHER COUNTRY.
THE WAY IT WORKS IN PRACTICE IS 
IT OPERATES AS A DESIGNATED 
AUTHORITY.
THE DECISIONS TO CHARGE AN 
ARREST ARE DESIGNATED TO THE 
BUREAUCRACY.
THERE IS A SPECIALIZED GROUP 
CALLED THE INTERNATIONAL 
ASSISTANCE GROUP, A GROUP OF 
LAWYERS WHO WORK ON MUTUAL 
ASSISTANTRIES WITH FOREIGN 
TREATY AND THAT IS WHERE THE 
REQUESTS ARE MADE TO ARREST 
SOMEONE LIKE MENG WANZHOU WHEN 
A COUNTRY LIKE THE UNITED 
STATES IS SEEKING TO PUT HER ON 
TRIAL.
THE MINISTER WOULD BE INFORMED 
OF WHAT IS GOING ON BUT THE 
PRACTICE IS TO DESIGNATE THOSE 
DECISIONS TO TAKE POLITICS OUT 
OF IT RIGHT UNTIL THE FINAL 
DECISION ENDS UP ON THE PRIME 
MINISTER'S DESK.
AS YOU HEARD THE PRIME MINISTER 
SAY TODAY, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT 
TALK ABOUT A PRISONER SWAP.
THIS ISN'T THE BRIDGE OF SPIES 
DURING THE COLD WAR.
HE SAID THAT IN JANUARY AND 
WINNIPEG WHEN WE WERE THERE FOR 
THE CABINET RETREAT.
SO, WHAT HE'S SAID THERE TODAY, 
IN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LANGUAGE 
I THINK WE HEARD BEFORE, THAT 
ESSENTIALLY CHINA IS USING THE 
ARREST TO INTERPRET POLITICAL 
PRESSURE AND ACHIEVE ITS 
POLITICAL OBJECTIVES THROUGH 
PSEUDOJUDICIAL ONES BY 
ARRESTING CANADIANS.
HE IS, THE PRIME MINISTER, IS 
NOT ESCALATING THE RHETORIC IN 
A MEANINGFUL WAY.
HE WAS ASKED WHY ARE YOU SAYING 
YOU'RE JUST DISAPPOINTED 
BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE OF 
POLITICS AND LANGUAGE OF 
DIPLOMACY ARE TWO VERY 
DIFFERENT THING.
HE IS NOT ESCALATING THE 
LANGUAGE.
CHINA HAS ESCALATED ITS 
ACTIONS, MOVING IT FROM 
DETENTION PHASE TO THE CHARGE 
PHASE AND THE STATISTICS SHOW 
US THAT WHEN SOMEONE MOVES TO 
THAT PHASE, THERE IS A 99% 
PROBABILITY OF CONVICTION AND 
THEN SENTENCING.
IT IS A DUBIOUS FUTURE FOR THE 
TWO MICHAELS AHEAD.
THIS WHOLE EXCHANGE IDEA HAS 
DEEPLY FRUSTRATED THE LIBERALS 
I SPEAK WITH.
IF YOU GO BACK TO ONE OF THE 
FIRST FOREIGN POLICY POSITIONS 
IN 2016 IN JAPAN WAS NOT TO PAY 
RANSOM FOR HOSTAGE TAKINGS 
BECAUSE IT IS THEIR BELIEF WITH 
TERRORISTS ORGANISATIONS THAT 
IF CANADA BECOMES KNOWN AS A 
COUNTRY THAT PAYS RANSOMS, IT 
PUTS A TARGET ON EVERY CANADIAN 
ABROAD.
IF YOU START DOING THING LIKE 
THIS, TRADING MENG WANZHOU FOR 
MICHAEL KOVRIG AND MICHAEL 
SPAVOR, THE NEXT TIME THERE IS 
SOMETHING UNPOPULAR WITH CHINA, 
WHAT'S TO STOP THEM FROM DOING 
A SIMILAR TACTIC AGAIN IF THEY 
KNOW THIS ONE WORKS?
IT IS A TERRIBLE SITUATION FOR 
THE MICHAELS AND A TERRIBLE 
SITUATION FOR CANADA.
>> Rosemary: I WOULD SAY TWO 
COMMENTS BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT 
MIGRANT WORKERS.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME NOW 
THAT THE PRIME MINISTER SAYS WE 
DO THINGS PUBLICLY BUT ALSO DO 
THINGS IN THE BACKGROUND.
HE SAID THAT ON FRIDAY.
IT STOOD OUT FOR ME BECAUSE WE 
DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THAT 
ENTAILS.
CERTAINLY THE GOVERNMENT HAS 
COME UNDER INTENSE CRITICISM 
FROM VARIOUS CORNERS ABOUT 
WHETHER THE LANGUAGE AND THE 
ACTIONS ARE AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH.
I WOULD SAY THIS ON MR. 
MANLEY'S COMMENTS WHICH 
OBVIOUSLY SEEMED TO FRUSTRATE 
THE PRIME MINISTER WHICH HE 
SAID BACK IN DECEMBER, THAT HE 
REALISED IT WASN'T A POPULAR 
THING TO SAY IN OTTAWA THESE 
DAYS, BUT ARRESTING MENG WAS A 
MISTAKE.
I WOULD POINT OUT THAT MR. 
MANLEY IS A DIRECTOR AT TELUS 
COMMUNICATIONS IN CANADA.
TELUS USES EQUIPMENT FROM 
HUAWEI AND THAT MIGHT BE 
IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IN THIS 
INSTANCE.
OK.
LET'S THINK ABOUT THE MIGRANT 
WORKERS NOW.
NEWS OF A THIRD DEATH OVER THE 
WEEKEND OF A 55-YEAR-OLD MAN.
THERE ARE THREE MIGRANT WORKERS.
BY WANTED TO GET YOU BOTH TO 
WEIGH IN ON THAT AS WELL.
OBVIOUSLY THE ADMISSION FROM 
THE PRIME MINISTER THAT 
SOMETHING WAS NOT DONE RIGHT 
HERE, THAT IT WAS -- I DON'T 
KNOW IF HE SAID RULES WERE 
BROKEN.
HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 
RULES ARE FOLLOWED.
>> Vassy: YEAH.
THE SAME THING STUCK OUT TO ME 
AS WELL.
I'VE DONE A NUMBER OF 
INTERVIEWS ABOUT THIS.
THREE MIGRANT WORKERS HAVE NOW 
PASSED AWAIT A MINUTE. WINDSOR 
IS HELD BACK FROM MOVING INTO 
THE NEXT STAGE OF RE-OPENING.
PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE 
OUTBREAKS IN COMMUNITIES IN 
WHICH MIGRANT WORKERS WORK 
RIGHT NOW IN THE WINDSOR AREA.
THIS THIRD WORKER WHO PASSED 
AWAY -- AND I'M SO SORRY, I 
DON'T HAVE HIS NAME ON THE TIP 
OF MY TONGUE -- BUT HE WORKED 
NEAR SIMCOE.
SO NOT IN THE WINDSOR AREA.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF 
CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN, FOR 
EXAMPLE, PUBLIC HEALTH 
OFFICIALS IN THE WINDSOR AREA, 
THE MAYOR OF WINDSOR.
A LOT OF CONCERN FROM ADVOCATE 
GROUPS AROUND THIS AS WELL AND 
SO FAR THE GOVERNMENT, UNTIL 
MEXICO SAID THAT THEY WERE NO 
LONGER GOING TO SEND ANY -- 
THEY'RE PUTTING A PAUSE ON 
SENDING ANY TEMPORARY WORK 
WORKERS HERE, THERE CERTAINLY 
WASN'T A HUGE AMOUNT OF 
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT 
SOMETHING HAD GONE REALLY WRONG 
WITH THE PROCESSS THAT WERE IN 
PLACE.
TO BE FAIR TO THE FED, THEY DID 
PUT UP A LOT OF MONEY.
IT WAS ABOUT $50 TO $60 MILLION 
TO ENABLE PEOPLE TO PROPERLY 
SELF-QUARANTINE WHEN THEY HAD 
TO.
AND TO ISOLATE THEMSELVES.
I THINK IT WAS $1500 PER 
EMPLOYEE, WHEREVER THE EMPLOYER 
HAD THESE -- THE NECESSITY TO 
QUARANTINE PEOPLE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF MONEY 
ALLOTED TO THAT.
BUT THE BIG COMPLAINT I HEARD 
ESPECIALLY FROM ADVOCATE GROUPS 
WAS AMONG INSPECTION AND THAT 
IS WHY THE COMMENTS FROM THE 
PRIME MINISTER REALLY STUCK OUT 
TO ME ABOUT THE RULES NOT 
FOLLOWED.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A 
MAJORITY OF THOSE INSPECTION, 
AND THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 
500 AS OF A FEW WEEKS AGO, MORE 
THAN 500 WERE CONDUCTED 
VIRTUALLY.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN FROM 
THE WORKERS AND THE ADVOCATE 
GROUPS ABOUT THE EFFICACY OR 
ACCURACY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS.
OF MORE THAN 500 INSPECTIONS 
THAT WERE COMPLETED, ZERO 
NONCOMPLIANCES.
BASICALLY NO EMPLOYER WAS FOUND 
TO BE BREAKING THE RULES.
THERE WERE ZERO -- THERE IS A 
POSSIBILITY OF PUNISHMENT, BUT 
NO PENALTIES WERE LEVIED.
NO ONE WAS FOUND TO BE IN 
NONCOMPLIANCE WAS EXACTLY I 
THINK HOW THE MINISTER OF 
IMMIGRATION PUT IT TO ME AT THE 
TIME.
THAT IS VERY -- VERY 
INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE IF 
THE PROBLEM IS ABOUT NOT 
FOLLOWING THE RULES AND YOU'RE 
NOT SHOWING IN YOUR INSPECTIONS 
THAT ANYONE ISN'T FOLLOWING THE 
RULES, WHICH IS BY THE WAY WHAT 
THE WORKERS WERE FLAGING TO THE 
ADVOCACY GROUPS AT THE TIME, 
THEN THERE SEEMS TO BE A 
PROBLEM WITH THE INSPECTION 
MROS.
SO MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS FOR 
THE GOVERNMENT ARE CERTAINLY 
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO 
BOOST THE ACCURACY AND THE 
DEPTH TO WHICH THESE 
INSPECTIONS TAKE PLACE AND DO 
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE ONES 
CONDUCTED SO FAR DON'T MEET THE 
STANDARDS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE 
GOING FORWARD IN ORDER TO MAKE 
GOOD ON THIS PROMISE TO ENSURE 
THAT EVERYONE IS FOLLOWING THE 
RULES AND REALLY MITIGATE THE 
SPREAD OF THE VIRUS OR LESSEN 
IT BECAUSE AS WE'VE SEEN, THESE 
COMMUNITIES ARE HIT REALLY HARD 
AND THERE IS A HOST OF OTHER 
QUESTIONS AND THE WAY IN WHICH 
THESE WORKERS ARE TREATED IN 
THE FIRST PLACE.
BUT ZEROING IN ON THE IDEA OF 
ENSURING BETTER COMPLIANCE WITH 
THE RULE, CERTAINLY GENERATES 
SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 
PROCESS CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
>> Rosemary: AND THERE ARE MORE 
THAN 200 POSITIVE CASES IN THAT 
FARMING OPERATION.
SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE 
MEASURES AREN'T IN PLACE TO 
MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T 
WELL-PROTECTED, DAVID.
>> David: YEAH.
VIRTUAL INSPECTIONS IN WE ALSO 
SAW ANOTHER TROUBLE SPOT 
REMOTELY AND THAT WAS LONG-TERM 
CARE HOMES IN ONTARIO.
A LOT OF LONG-TERM CARE HOMES 
WERE INSPEKD OVER THE PHONE 
RATHER THAN IN PERSON.
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO TELEXHAOU. 
IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELEINSPECT, 
ESPECIALLY CRITICAL THINGS SUCH 
AS SENIORS CARE AND FOOD 
PRODUCTION.
WILL THERE BE CAN THABILITY FOR 
THESE PARTICULAR FAILURES?
IT'S INTERESTING, TOO, IT 
REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT OF THE 
MEAT PACKING AND THE MEAT 
PROCESSING STORY THAT WE SAW IN 
IN PLACES LIKE ALBERTA, WHERE 
IT'S SIMILAR THING, RIGHT?
PEOPLE PACK TOGETHER IN A 
CONTAINED SPACE TO WORK AND 
OFTEN LIVING IN A COMMUNAL 
LIVING SITUATION WHERE THERE IS 
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN REALLY A 
SMALLER THAN DESIRABLE SPACE AT 
THE BEST OF TIMES AND CERTAINLY 
AT THE TIME OF A RESPIRATORY 
VIRAL PANDEMIC.
I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THEY 
CHANGE THAT.
THERE WAS MONEY PROVIDED UP 
FRONT FOR PEOPLE TO 
SELF-ISOLATE AND PEOPLE TO 
QUARANTINE AND DO THESE THING 
AND THERE IS A NEED TO PUT 
RESOURCES WITH THIS TO MAKE 
SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT BECAUSE OF 
THE DEPENDENCE THAT WE HAVE ON 
OUR DOMESTIC FOOD SUPPLY IN A 
TIME OF GLOBAL TRADE DISRUPTION.
BUT WHAT DO THEY DO NOW?
DO THEY PROVIDE EXTRA HOUSING 
AND INSPECTIONS?
THE NUMBERS ARE QUITE HIGH.
IF YOU LOOK ATE.
IT'S BIGGER THAN SOME ATLANTIC 
PROVINCES, FOR EXAMPLE.
THE NEXT STEPS ARE VITAL ON 
THIS, TOO.
>> Rosemary: LET ME GO NOW TO 
THE PROJECT AND CAMPAIGN 
COORDINATOR FOR MIGRANT WORKERS 
ALLIANCE FOR CHANGE, AN 
ORGANIZATION THAT FIGHTS FOR 
JUSTICE AND DIGNITY AND MIGRANT 
WORKERS.
AND SHE HAS SPOKEN TO THE 
FAMILY OF THE WORKERS WHO DIED 
FROM COVID-19.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TIME 
T. APPRECIATE IT.
>> Reporter: THANK YOU, ROSE 
MARRY.
>> Rosemary: I KNOW HE LEFT 
BEHIND A WIFE AND FOUR KIDS.
GIVE ME A SENSE OF HOW THEY'RE 
DOING.
>> YEAH.
WE'RE IN CONTACT WITH THE 
FAMILY.
THEY ARE TOTALLY DEVASTATED.
THEY ARE GRIEVING AND IN SHOCK.
HE HAD BEEN ILL FOR SOME TIME 
AND HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE IN 
CONTACT WITH HIS FAMILY IN 
RECENT DAYS AND THEY ARE 
SHOCKED THAT SOMEONE WHO HAD 
BEEN COMING TO CANADA FOR 10 
YEARS TO WORK, TO PROVIDE 
INCOME AS THE MAIN BREADWINNER 
FOR THEIR FAMILY WILL NOT BE 
RETURNING HOME THIS SEASON 
ALIVE.
>> Rosemary: IT IS DEVASTATING 
TO HAVE THREE DEATHS.
BUT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF 
CASES.
WE HEARD THE PRIME MINISTER 
TALK ABOUT HOW RULES WEREN'T 
FOLLOWED.
AND YOU MAYBE HEARD VASSY THERE 
TALK ABOUT VIRTUAL INSPECTIONS.
IS ANYTHING BEING DONE TO 
MITIGATE THE SPREAD OF THE 
PANDEMIC?
BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO BE 
SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL AT 
ABOUT 17 CANADIAN FARMS AT THIS 
STAGE.
>> I THINK WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT 
THE HOUSING CONDITIONS AND THE 
WORKING CONDITIONS ON FARMS FOR 
MIGRANT FARM WORKERS AND HOW 
THEY REALLY PROVOKED THE 
MASSIVE SPREADING A LIKE 
WILDFIRE OF THIS DISEASE ON 
FARMS.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY 
CLEAR THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF 
THE HOUSING AND WORKING 
CONDITIONS THAT MIGRANT WORKERS 
ON FARMS ARE LIVING AND WORKING 
UNDER ARE PERFECTLY LEGAL.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THAT PEOPLE 
AREN'T FOLLOWING THE RULES, THE 
PROBLEM IS THAT THE RULES ARE 
BAD.
WORKERS TOLD US BEFORE THEY 
EVEN ARRIVED IN CANADA WHEN 
COVID-19 HIT THAT THEY WERE 
AFRAID TO COME TO CANADA TO 
WORK BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT 
THEIR HOUSING AND WORKING 
CONDITIONS WOULD PUT THEM AT 
EXTREME RISK OF EXPOSURE AND OF 
THE ILLNESS AND POSSIBLY DEATH 
AND THEY KNOW, MIGRANT WORKERS 
KNOW, THAT THEY CANNOT RAISE 
CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR HOUSING 
AND WORKING CONDITIONS WITHOUT 
RISKING TERMINATION WHICH MEANS 
THEY RISK THEIR INCOME AND 
DEPORTATION AND BLACKLISTING 
FROM THE PROGRAMME AND 
RETURNING TO CANADA IN THE 
FUTURE.
THIS IS BECAUSE WORKERS DO NOT 
HAVE PERMANENT STATUS IN THIS 
COUNTRY AND SO ANYTIME THEY 
RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR 
WORKING OR LIVING CONDITIONS, 
THEY CAN BE DEPORT AND EVERY 
SINGLE WORKER THAT WE'VE SPOKEN 
TO HAS SAID TO US FROM THE 
GIT-GO, THEY KNOW THAT THEY 
CANNOT SPEAK UP.
ABOUT CONDITIONS THAT THEY KNEW 
WOULD PUT THEM AT RISK, ABOUT 
THE LACK OF P.P.E. AND THE 
CROWDED HOUSING CONDITIONS.
THEY DETERMINATED AND DEPORTED 
AND THEIR FAMILIES DEPEND ON 
THIS INCOME.
THE QUESTION IS THAT THE 
PROGRAMME IS BUILT TO KEEP 
WORKERS TEMPORARY AND THAT 
PROVIDES ALL THE POWER, PUTS 
ALL THE POWER IN THE HANDS OF 
EMPLOYERS AND NO POWER IN THE 
HANDS OF WORKERS TO BE ABLE TO 
PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM 
PREVENTABLE SITUATIONS LIKE 
WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
>> Rosemary: SO MEXICO HAD, OF 
COURSE, SENDING WORKERS TO 
CANADA UZ  -- BECAUSE IT WAS 
CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AND GOT 
SOME REASSURANCES FROM THE 
EMPLOYMENT MINISTER, FROM THE 
GOVERNMENT TO THINGS THAT THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD DO TO 
TRY AND SECURE THE CONDITIONS 
AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE 
ARE BETTER PROTECTED.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT 
DECISION THEN TO ALLOW WORKERS 
TO COME BACK AND THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT'S COMMITMENT TO TRY 
AND DO BETTER?
>> WELL, WE HEARD NOTHING FROM 
THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT ABOUT 
THE QUESTION OF PERMANENT 
RESIDENCY AND WE KNOW THAT THAT 
FUNDAMENTALLY IS THE PROBLEM 
HERE.
WORKERS KNOW THAT IS THE 
PROBLEM HERE.
WHICH IS WHY WORKERS HAVE BEEN 
DEMANDING PERMANENT RESIDENCY 
FOR YEARS NOW.
TO BE ABLE TO  ADDRESS THEIR 
INABILITY TO RAISE CONCERNS IN 
THESE CONDITIONS AND RAISE BAD 
JOB AND WE KNOW THAT THE 
AGREEMENT THAT THEY CAME TO 
HAVE SAID THINGS ABOUT DOING 
MORE INSPECTIONS AND 
[INAUDIBLE] TO COMPLAIN.
BUT FUNDAMENTALLY, IF WORKERS 
DO NOT HAVE THE STABILITY AND 
THE SECURITY TO BE ABLE TO STAY 
IN THIS COUNTRY AND CONTINUE TO 
WORK, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO 
EFFECTIVELY RAISE CONCERNS 
ABOUT BAD LIVING AND WORKING 
CONDITIONS AND EMPLOYERS WILL 
CONTINUE TO HAVE A GREEN LIGHT 
TO ENSURE THAT WORKERS ARE 
PRODUCING THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF 
OUTPUT AND THE MINIMUM NUMBER 
OF CONDITIONS --
>> Rosemary: I GET THAT THAT 
MIGHT BE THE LONG-TERM OUTCOME.
BUT GIVEN THAT THAT ISN'T GOING 
TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, IS THERE 
ANYTHING SHORT TERM THAT COULD 
BE DONE TO BETTER PROTECT 
PEOPLE, IN YOUR VIEW?
BETTER HOUSING?
BETTER HOTEL ROOMS?
SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT 
GOING TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM, 
BUT COULD HELP.
>> I MEAN, IT ACTUALLY IS A 
SHORT-TERM SOLUTION.
WE'VE SEEN THAT THE CANADIAN 
GOVERNMENT RESPONDED TO THE 
ISSUE OF ASYLUM SEEKERS WORKING 
IN QUEBEC EXPOSED TO COVID-19 
TO PERMANENT RESIDENCY.
WE'RE SAYING IMMEDIATE 
RESIDENCY FOR MIGRANT WORKERS 
IS THE FASTEST AND MOST 
EFFECTIVE WAY TO BE ABLE TO 
PROVIDE WORKERS THE ABILITY TO 
PROTECT THEMSELVES AND DENOUNCE 
BAD WORKING CONDITIONS AND 
LIVING CONDITIONS, PUT PRESSURE 
ON EMPLOYERS TO IMPROVE THE 
KINDS OF JOBS THEY PROVIDE.
ACCESS TO BETTER HOUSING, 
ACCESS TO BETTER HEALTH CARE, 
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VITALLY 
IMPORTANT IN THIS SITUATION.
BUT THEY DO NOT ADDRESS THE 
FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM THAT 
WORKERS SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THE 
POWER AND DO NOT HAVE THE 
CHOICE TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.
OR TO ASK FOR ANY OF THOSE 
BETTER CONDITIONS SO LONG AS 
THEY CAN BE DOE  -- DEPORTED AT 
A MOMENT'S NOTICE.
>> Rosemary: THE WORKERS YOU 
ARE TALKING TO, STILL GOING TO 
WORK EVERY DAY FOR THE REASONS 
YOU'VE OUTLINED THERE, HOW 
CONCERNED ARE THEY THAT THEY'RE 
GOING GET SICK BECAUSE CLEARLY 
HUNDREDS HAVE GOTTEN SICK.
>> THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED.
THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED FOR 
THEIR HEALTH, THEY ARE 
CONCERNED FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO 
THEIR FAMILIES.
THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 
MONEY THAT THEY HAVE LOST BY 
BEING QUARANTINED.
THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED AND 
DEVASTATED BY THESE DEATHS.
THESE ARE THEIR CO-WORKER AND 
PEOPLE THEY SHARED BUNK HOUSES 
WITH.
THEY ARE DEVASTATED AND THEY 
ARE VERY AFRAID AND THEY KNOW 
THAT THEIR EMPLOYER HAS 
COMPLETE POWER OVER THEM AND 
THERE IS NOTHING THAT THEY CAN 
DO TO CHANGE THEIR 
CIRCUMSTANCES UNTIL THE 
GOVERNMENT GIVES THEM ACCESS TO 
THE POWER TO BE ABLE TO DO SO.
SO PEOPLE ARE GOING BACK TO 
WORK, VERY AFRAID, KNOWING THAT 
THIS ADDED SCRUTINY ON FARMS IS 
MAKING EMPLOYERS SCRUTINIZE 
WORKERS EVEN MORE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY EXACERBATING 
THE POWER AND BALANCES THAT 
EXIST AND MAKING IT EVEN MORE 
DIFFICULT FOR WORKERS TO RAISE 
CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> Rosemary: OK.
THANK YOU, KAREN.
APPRECIATE IT.
THE PROJECT AND CAMPAIGNS 
COORDINATOR FOR MIGRANT WORKERS 
ALLIANCE FOR CHANGE.
TO TELL YOU THAT CANADIAN 
FARMERS RELY ON 60,000 
SHORT-TERM FOREIGN WORKERS FROM 
LATIN AMERICA AND CARIBBEAN 
COMPANIES TO HELP WITH THE 
PLANTING AND HARVESTING IN THIS 
COUNTRY.
SO AGAIN, AS WE'VE SEEN SORT OF 
WITH LONG-TERM CARE CENTRES, 
WE'VE SEEN IT AGAIN IN AS DAVID 
WAS TALKING ABOUT MEAT 
PROCESSING PLANTS AND NOW IN 
MANY, MANY FARMS IN SOUTHERN 
ONTARIO AND ELSEWHERE, 
SOMETHING AROUND HOW THE SYSTEM 
IS SORT OF EXPOSING ITSELF AND 
PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED 
WITH SOME LONG-TERM CHANGE AS 
WELL.
WOE ARE STANDING BY FOR A PRESS 
CONFERENCE FROM THE PRESIDENT 
OF THE TREASURY BOARD.
WE ARE EXPECTING TO TURN ABOUT 
THE SERVICES RETURN TO WORK 
WHICH ISN'T HAPPENING ANYTIME 
SOON.
BULL THERE ARE PARAMETERS SET 
UP AROUND THAT AND WE'LL HEAR 
FROM PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE YOU TO THE 
GOVERNOR OF THE BANK OF CANADA, 
THE NEW GOVERNOR OF THE BANK OF 
CANADA, TIFF MACKLEM HAS GIVE 
AND SPEECH AT THE CANADIAN 
CLUCK AND HE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS 
FROM REPORTERS.
BUT HE DID SAY IN HIS SPEECH 
THAT THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY WILL 
BE, QUOTE, PROLONGED AND BUMPY 
WHICH, OF COURSE, WOULD BE 
EXPECTED.
BUT IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO 
HEAR THE GOVERNOR'S THOUGHTS ON 
THE FUTURE OF THAT RECOVERY, 
THE FUTURE OF INTEREST RATES 
WHICH HE HAS SAID AREN'T GOING 
TO MOVE ANYTIME SOON EITHER.
AS WE WAIT FOR THAT TO BEGIN, 
THOUGH, LET ME BRING IN ANOTHER 
GUEST.
DR. JENNIFER KWAN IS A FAMILY 
PHYSICIAN IN BURLINGTON, 
ONTARIO AND PART OF MASKS FOR 
CANADA, A GROUP THAT'S 
ADVOCATING FOR MANDATORY FACE 
MASKS.
SHE SAYS MASKS SHOULD BE 
MANDATORY IN ALL INDOOR SPACES 
OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME AS WELL AS 
CROWD SPACES AND PUBLIC TRANSIT.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TIME.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> Rosemary: NICE TO SEE YOU.
OK.
SO, I GUESS THIS IS A GROUP NOW 
OF MOSTLY DOCTORS BUT OTHER 
SCIENTIST AND ADVOCATES SAYING 
THAT MASKS NEED TO BE MANDATORY.
WE'VE SEEN IN SOME PLACES 
OTTAWA PUBLIC TRANSIT, FOR 
INSTANCE, TORONTO SAYS YOU HAVE 
TO WEAR THEM ON PUBLIC TRANSIT.
BUT WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU SAYING 
NEEDS TO HELP WITH MASKS IN 
THIS COUNTRY?
>> SO, WE THINK MASKS SHOULD BE 
MANDATORY IN HIGH-RISK SETING, 
WHICH IS WHAT YOU LISTED IN THE 
ACT ACRONYM, ALL PUBLIC SPACES 
AND WHERE YOU CAN'T DISTANT AND 
PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
SO WE DO MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR 
ANYONE WHO MAZ A MEDICAL 
CONDITION AND CANNOT WEAR A 
MASK, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO 
WEAR ONE FOR YOUNG CHILDREN AS 
WELL AND ALSO WE ARE ADVISING 
TO AVOID ANY FINE OR CRIMINAL 
PENALTIES.
WE WANT THIS TO BE AN 
EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE TO HELP 
UNDERSTAND THAT CANADIANS WEAR 
THEM FOR ECONOMIC RECOVERY.
>> Rosemary: WHAT DO YOU THINK 
IT WOULD DO TO CONTROL THE 
VIRUS?
>> SO RIGHT NOW THE LATEST 
LEGER POLL HAS SHOWN THAT 48% 
OF CANADIANS WEAR MASKS.
WE NEED TO GET TO APPROXIMATELY 
80% SO IT CAN SIGNIFICANTLY 
IMPACT THE TRANSMISSION OF 
COVID-19.
THIS WILL HELP RE-ASSURE THAT 
OUR OPENING IS SAFE AND 
SUSTAINABLE.
>> Rosemary: I WAS OUT AND 
ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ON THE 
WEEKEND AND I AM WEARING A MASK 
WHEN I GO INTO STORES.
BUT THERE WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE 
NOT WEARING THEM.
I WONDER IF IT IS BECAUSE 
PEOPLE -- I WONDER WHY YOU 
THINK THAT MIGHT BE.
IS IT BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T 
CONVINCED MASKS WORK BECAUSE 
THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN DO THE 
TWO METRE AND NOT WORRY?
WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING 
ABOUT WHY PEOPLE JUST AREN'T 
DOING?
>> SO, THE WEATHER HAS BEEN 
REALLY NICE LATELY.
SO WE LET OUR GUARD DOWN WHEN 
THE RE-OPENING IS HAPPENING AND 
THERE'S MIXED MESSAGING ABOUT 
MASKS.
BUT NOW THE GENERAL CONSENSUS 
IS THAT THEY DO WORK AND YOU 
SHOULD WEAR ONE IF YOU'RE ABLE 
TO.
>> Marcy: 
--
>> Rosemary: WHERE DO YOU WANT 
THIS TO COME FROM?
JUST TO START WEARING THEM A 
REQUIRED WAY IMMEDIATELY?
>> WELL, I THINK THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT HAS SAID IT WOULD BE 
UP TO THE PROVINCES AND I JUST 
WANT SOMEBODY TO MAKE THAT 
DECISION AND SHOW CONSISTENCY.
BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME 
INDIVIDUAL HEALTH UNITS THAT 
HAVE DONE IT.
BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE 
CONSISTENCY TO SET PARAMETERS 
FOR REGIONS TO REQUIRE IF THERE 
IS X NUMBER OF CASES, AND THERE 
IS PREVALENCE, THEN WE SHOULD 
HAVE MANDATORY MASKING.
>> Rosemary: WHAT ABOUT 
ENFORCEMENT?
YOU DON'T WANT CRIMINAL FINE OR 
ANYONE CHASING SOMEONE DOWN THE 
STREET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT 
WEARING A MASK.
IT SEEM LIKE EVEN IN TRANSIT, 
THAT IS A DIFFICULT THING TO 
ENFORCE.
IT'S DIFFICULT ONUS TO PUT ON 
PEOPLE AT STORES OR ON PUBLIC 
TRANSIT THAT THEY'RE THE ONESS 
TO TELL SOMEONE TO DO THIS.
>> DEFINITELY.
I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW CERTAIN 
[INAUDIBLE] ARE NOT CONSISTENT 
AND IT PUTS A LOT OF ONUS ON 
THE STORE OWNER TO ENFORCE IT.
SO IT IS A PROBLEM PROVINCE 
WIDE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND 
TO SEE IF THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE 
PEOPLE WHO CANNOT WEAR MASKS 
WITH PERSONAL SHOPPERS OR 
CURBSIDE PICKUP AND PROVIDE 
MASKS THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS 
AND WOULD ALSO HELP EVERYBODY.
>> Rosemary: TELL US WHY YOU 
BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT AND WHY 
IF YOU CAN'T GET YOUR PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING, YOU SHOULD BE 
WEARING ONE.
REMIND PEOPLE WHY THAT MATTERS.
>> CERTAINLY COVID-19 IS A 
RESPIRATORY VIRUS THAT IS 
TRANSMITTED FROM SOMEONE'S 
MOUTH AND NOSE TO ANOTHER 
PERSON'S MOUTH AND NOSE.
SO, HAVING A MASK, WHICH COVERS 
THE MOUTH AND NOSE, IS HELPFUL 
FOR CATCHING DROPLETS FROM YOUR 
MOUTH AND THE SPREAD OF THE 
VIRUS.
APPROXIMATELY 45% OF COVID 
CASES CAN BE ASYMPTOMATIC OR 
PRESYMPTOMATIC SO THAT MEANS 
YOU MAY NOT KNOW YOU'RE 
INFECTED.
IF ANYBODY CAN WEAR A MASK IF 
THEY'RE ABLE TO, THAT WOULD 
REALLY REDUCE TRANSMISSION.
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
YOU ARE NOT PROTECTING 
YOURSELF, BUT THE PEOPLE AROUND 
YOU.
JUST A FINAL QUESTION, DR. KWAN.
WHAT HAS BEEN THE RESPONSE TO 
THIS?
>> FROM GENERAL CANADIAN?
>> Rosemary: FROM ANYONE.
>> YEAH.
I THINK INITIALLY IT WAS 
CONFUSING TO HEAR THE MIXED 
MESSAGES.
BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT 
CANADIANS ARE ALTRUISTIC AND WE 
CARE ABOUT ONE ANOTHER AND 
WE'RE POLITE.
SO MASKS REALLY ARE A POLITE 
CANADIAN THING TO DO AND IT IS 
STARTING TO BECOME, YOU KNOW, 
COOL AND FASHIONABLE AND IT 
REALLY SHOWS YOU CARE FOR OTHER 
PEOPLE AND WANT TO GET THE 
ECONOMY BACK ON TRAFFIC.
I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO WEAR A 
MASK IF THEY CAN.
>> Rosemary: OK.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.
I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH S. A 
FAMILY PHYSICIAN IN BURLINGTON, 
ONTARIO.
THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
AS WE STAND BY AND WAIT FOR 
THIS PRESS CONFERENCE FROM 
FEDERAL PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS 
AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE 
TREASURY BOARD, I'LL BRING BACK 
VASSY KAPELOS AND DAVID 
COCHRANE.
A BIT OF A DIFFERENT DAY.
I SHOULD TELL PEOPLE THAT THE 
COVID-19 COMMITTEE IS NOT 
MEETING ANYMORE IN THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS.
THEY'RE NOT RETURNING THEM 
UNTIL JULY 8 NOW AND THAT IS 
WHEN THE GOVERNMENT WILL GIVE 
US THIS FISCAL ECONOMIC 
SNAPSHOT, AS THEY'RE CALLING IT.
IT'S NOT QUITE AS BUSY AS IT 
HAD BEEN IN THE NATION'S 
CAPITAL.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MEANS 
THINGS ARE GOING TO SLOW DOWN 
OR THE PRIME MINISTER IS GOING 
TAKE SOME TIME OFF.
BUT THERE IS A LOT ON THE GO IN 
TERMS OF RESPONSE TO VARIOUS 
THINGS.
LET'S CIRCLE BACK TO CHINA, IF 
YOU DON'T MIND.
BECAUSE I DO THINK IT IS TOP OF 
MIND FAR LOT OF PEOPLE, GIVEN 
THE EVENT ON FRIDAY AND GIVEN 
THE REPORTS IN THE BOOK WRITTEN 
BY JOHN BOLTON THAT CANADA WAS 
SORT OF -- WAS STRONGLY 
SUGGESTED BY THE DWRIETS THAT 
IT SHOULD GO AHEAD WITH THIS 
EXTRADITION AND ARREST MENG 
WANZHOU, PARTICULARLY GIVEN 
THAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE 
MIKE POMPEO TODAY RELEASED A 
PRESS RELEASE SAYING THAT THE 
U.S. IS DEEPLY CONCERNED BY 
CHINA'S DECISION TO PROCEED 
WITH THE CHARGES AGAINST 
MICHAEL KOVRIG AND MICHAEL 
SPAVOR AND GOES ON AND WE HEARD 
THE PRIME MINISTER TALKING 
ABOUT INTERNATIONAL SUPPORT, 
THAT WASHINGTON IS NOT THE ONLY 
ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS SPOKEN 
OUT.
OTHERS HAVE, TOO.
YOU WONDER IF THAT HELPS OR 
HURT THE CASE OR HAVE ANY 
IMPACT AT ALL, REALLY.
>> Vassy: YEAH.
THAT IS CERTAINLY A QUESTION 
THAT I'VE HAD, TOO.
AND MOST OF THE, FOR EXAMPLE, 
FORMER AMBASSADORS THAT WE KEEP 
TOUCHING BASE WITH THROUGHOUT 
ALL OF THIS REALLY DO ADVOCATE 
FOR THAT AS A STRATEGY.
IF ANYTHING, WE'LL BE 
SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW OTHER THAN 
THIS PRISONER SWAP WHICH 
OBVIOUSLY THE GOVERNMENT HAS 
SAID NO TO.
IT MIGHT BE INTERNATIONAL 
PRESSURE ON CHINA, NOT JUST 
WHERE THIS ISSUE IS CONCERNED, 
BUT BASICALLY THEY HAVE PROVEN 
AS A REGIME TO BE RESPONSIVE TO 
A CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT 
THEY'RE VIEWED BY THE 
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.
SO, IN THE PAST, THAT MIGHT 
HAVE BEEN THE CASE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL APPLY IN 
THIS CASE.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE FROM THE 
CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD, IF 
CANADA IS TO HAVE A SHOT AT 
SWAYING THEM ONE WAY OR THE 
OTHER, THAT INTERNATIONAL 
PRESSURE WILL BE KEY.
HAS IT BEEN ENOUGH?
WILL IT BE ENOUGH?
ARE COUNTRIES TAKEN UP BY THIS 
CAUSE AS THEY COULD BE OR 
SHOULD BE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT 
WILL OBVIOUSLY IMPACT THE 
EFFECTIVENESS OF THAT AS A 
STRATEGY FOR SURE.
I THINK OVERALL AS A STRATEGY, 
MOST EXPERTS I SPEAK TO SAY 
THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO GO.
ON YOUR POINT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 
BOLTON BOOK, THE PAGES WE'RE 
PRIVY TO, ARE FASCINATING 
BECAUSE THE PICTURE THEY PAINT 
IS ONE WHERE THE FREETHROW WAS 
WILLING TO AFRAID THE WHOLE 
IDEA FOR A PRISONER SWAP AND 
CUTTING A DEAL WITH CHINA AND 
MS. MENG AS PART OF IT BUT IT 
WAS UNSURPRISING GIVEN THEIR 
IDEOLOGICAL ORIENTATION IN THE 
PAST MR. BOLTON AND MIKE POMPEO 
WHO MOST ARDENTLY TRIED TO 
CONVINCE CANADIAN OFFICIALS 
THAT THE UNITED STATES WOULD 
HAVE OUR BACK.
THEY WOULD STAND SHOULDER TO 
SHOULDER WITH CANADA AND ITS 
GOVERNMENT ON THIS ISSUE AND 
UPHOLDING THE RULE OF LAW AND 
SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CASE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS FASCINATING.
WHEN I STEPPED BACK, I THOUGHT 
THAT'S NOT THAT SURPRISING 
EITHER.
[LAUGHTER]
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT HAS 
CIGALED OPENNESS TO CUTTING 
DEAL ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT 
SUBJECTS.
WHY WOULD THIS ONE BE ANY 
DIFFERENT?
WHEN YOU DO LOOK AT THE 
IDEOLOGICAL ORIENTATION OF JOHN 
BOLTON AND MIKE POMPEO, THERE 
IS NO SURPRISE IN A MILLION 
YEARS THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO 
SEE MS. MENG FACE THE FULL 
FORCE OF THE LAW IN THIS CASE.
MIKE POMPO'S STATEMENT TODAY, 
SURE IT IS GREAT THAT THEY'RE 
SAYING THAT.
THERE IS A DEGREE OF 
EFFECTIVENESS OF IT AT THIS 
POINT.
BUT ALSO THAT CHORUS OF 
INTERNATIONAL VOICES GROWS 
LOUDER AND STRONGER, SHORT OF 
THAT PRISONER SWAP THAT THE 
PRESIDENT SAYS HE IS NOT 
CONSIDERING UNDER ANY 
CIRCUMSTANCE, IT MAY BE AT THIS 
POINT ONE OF OUR BEST HOPES.
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT LIKE THE 
UNITED STATES AND CHINA HAVE A 
GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
HOW DO YOU BUILD A GLOBAL 
PUBLIC PRESSURE ON THE ISSUE TO 
FORCE CHINA'S HAND?
I DON'T KNOW.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S SORT OF 
THE CRITICISM ABOUT THE PRIME 
MINISTER, TOO, IF HE STARTS 
USING HEAVY LANGUAGE AND DROPS 
THE HAMMER.
WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF IT?
OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE SMARTER 
THAN I AM ABOUT THIS.
BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE 
THINGS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO 
CONSIDER.
AT WHAT POINT IS THERE ENOUGH 
PUBLIC PRESSURE THAT CHINA 
FEELS IT HAS TO DO SOMETHING 
DIFFERENT.
FOR NOW, THOUGH, THE GOVERNMENT 
IS REALLY STICKING TO THE LINE 
THAT IT'S MAINTAINED FROM THE 
BEGINNING, THAT THIS IS A 
JUSTICE PROCESS AND THE 
GOVERNMENT WON'T GET INVOLVED 
EVEN IF CHINA SAYS THEY DON'T 
BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE.
IS TR. TAM UP YET?
NO.
I'LL LET DAVID HAVE 30 SECONDS 
AND THEN GO TO DR. TAM.
>> David: YEAH.
WE'VE SEEN STATEMENTS FROM THE 
U.S. AND STATEMENTS FROM THE 
G467, DOMINIC RAAB, THE FOREIGN 
SECRETARY FOR THE U.K. OUT WITH 
A STATEMENT EXPRESSING CONCERN 
AND DISAPPOINTMENT.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MOVE THE 
CHINESE WHATSOEVER.
AND IT IS GREAT TO HAVE THE 
SECRETARY OF STATE SIDING WITH 
CANADA ON THIS, BUT GOING BACK 
TO THAT BOLTON BOOK, THERE IS A 
REVEALING EPISODE THAT THE 
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 
TRIES TO GET HIM TO BUYING A 
AGOIAL PRODUCTS FROM MIDWEST 
STATES TO HELP HIM IN HIS 
RE-ELECTION.
SO YOU HAVE TO WONDER HOW 
STRONG A PARTNER THE UNITED 
STATES IS ON DEALING WITH CHINA 
IF CANADA'S INTERESTS COLLIDE 
WITH THE HE ELECTION INTERESTS 
OF DONALD TRUMP.
>> Rosemary: OK.
THANK YOU BOTH.
WE'LL TAKE YOU TO THE 
GOVERNMENT'S OFFICIAL UPDATE ON 
RESPONSE TO COVID-19 AND THEN 
WE'LL TAKE YOU TO THE GOVERNOR 
OF THE BANK OF CANADA'S PRESS 
CONFERENCE SHORTLY.
THIS IS THE DEPUTY PUBLIC 
HEALTH OFFICER.
>> [Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: BY 
THE CANADIAN CENTRE ON 
SUBSTANCE USE AND ADDICTION 
FOUND THAT ONE IN FOUR 
RESPONDENTS AGED 35 TO 53 YEARS 
HAD INCREASED THEIR ALCOHOL USE 
DURING THIS PANDEMIC.
FOR THOSE AGED BETWEEN 18 TO 
34, IT'S ONE IN FIVE.
THE LACK OF A REGULAR SCHEDULE 
STRESS AND BOREDOM FOR THE MOST 
COMMON REASONS.
EVEN MORE CONCERNING ARE THE 
RESULTS PUBLISHED LAST WEEK BY 
THE CENTRE FOR ADDICTION AND 
MENTAL HEALTH.
MORE THAN ONE IN FOUR 
RESPONDENTS IS 18 TO 59 YEARS 
INDICATED THEY HAD ENGAGED IN 
[INAUDIBLE] DURING THE PAST 
SEVEN DAYS.
THESE TIMES ARE DIFFICULT AND 
IT IS NORMAL TO LOOK FOR WAYS 
TO COPE WITH STRESS AND 
UNCERTAINTY.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE RISKS OF 
INCREASED ALCOHOL USE AMONG 
CANADIANS DURING COVID-19.
DRINKING TOO MUCH ALCOHOL CAN 
LEAD TO NEGATIVE OUTCOMES FOR 
CANADIAN AND THEIR FAMILIES.
FOR EXAMPLE, INJURY T MOTOR 
VEHICLE ACCIDENTS, VIOLENT 
CRIME.
FETAL ALCOHOL SPECTRUM DISORDER 
AND NUMEROUS CHRONIC DISEASES 
LIKE CANCERS AND LIVER DISEASE.
DURING THIS DIFFICULT TIME, WE 
ENCOURAGE CANADIANS TO CONSIDER 
ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO COPE WITH 
THEIR STRESS.
FOR EXAMPLE, REGULAR PHYSICAL 
ACTIVITIES AND ENCOURAGE THEM 
TO CONSIDER THE IMPACTS OF 
ALCOHOL ON THEIR HEALTH.
THE BEST WAY TO AVOID SHORT AND 
LONGER TERM RISKS FROM ALCOHOL 
IS NOT DRINK.
HOWEVER, THEY CAN CONSULT 
CANADA'S LOW-RISK ALCOHOL 
DRINKING GUIDELINES FOR 
STRATEGIES TO HELP LOWER THE 
RISK.
THIS RESOURCE OFFERS 
RECOMMENDED DAILY AND WEEKLY 
LIMITS AND WITH IT ALSO OFFERS 
INFORMATION AND REMINDERS TO 
REDUCE HIGH-RISK ACTIVITIES AND 
EXPOSURES.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT 
WHERE TO GET SUPPORT, I 
ENCOURAGE -- OR WE ENCOURAGE 
YOU TO SPEAK WITH YOUR HEALTH 
CARE PROVIDER.
YOU CAN ALSO FIND TIPS FOR 
TAKING CARE OF YOUR MENTAL AND 
PHYSICAL HEALTH ON THE 
CANADA.CA/CORONAVIRUS WEBSITE.
YOU CAN ALSO VISIT WELLNESS 
TOGETHER CANADA ONLINE FOR A 
RANGE OF MENTAL HEALTH AND 
SUBSTANCE USE SUPPORTS AT NO 
COST.
IT IS NORMAL TO FEEL FEAR, 
STRESS AND WORRY IN A CRISIS.
NO ONE HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS 
ALONE.
>> THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS 
OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE CANADIAN 
ON THE EASING OF COVID-19 
RESTRICTIONS FOR PUBLIC 
SERVANTS.
EVERY INDUSTRY AND ASPECT OF 
OUR ECONOMY HAS BEEN AFFECTED 
BY COVID-19 AND HAS OUR 
INTERACTIONS WITH OTHERS IN HOW 
AND WHERE WE WORK.
LIKE MANY CANADIANS ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY, IN MID MARCH, A LARGE 
NUMBER OF PUBLIC SERVANTS HAD 
TO TRADE THEIR TRADITIONAL WORK 
SITES FOR DINING ROOM, KITCH.
KITCH -- KITCHEN AND BEDROOM 
OFFICES.
SINCE THEN, MANY OF THEM HAVE 
WORKED LONG HOURS IN NEW, 
INNOVATIVE WAYS AND OFTEN IN 
DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES AND 
ALSO TAKEN ON NEW 
RESPONSIBILITIES.
NEW SERVICES THAT WOULD 
NORMALLY HAVE TAKEN MANY MONTHS 
TO PLAN AND EXECUTE WERE ROLLED 
OUT IN A MATTER OF DAYS OR 
WEEKS.
SOME EXAMPLES INCLUDE THE 
CANADA EMERGENCY RESPONSE 
BENEFIT, ALSO KNOWN AS CERB, 
THE CANADIAN EMERGENCY WAGE 
SUBSIDY AND COORDINATING THE 
LARGEST REPATRIATION EFFORT OF 
CANADIANS IN CANADIAN HISTORY.
MILLIONS OF CANADIANS WERE IN 
NEED AND THE SPEED AT WHICH 
THESE CRITICAL SERVICES WERE 
ROLLED OUT IN UNPRESS 
DENTEDEDED WAYS.
WE HAVE NOW, BY AND LARGE, 
HOWEVER, ENTERED A NEW PHASE.
THE GROWTH CURVE OF THE DISEASE 
IS TRENDING DOWNWARDS.
PROVINCES ARE AT VARYING PACES 
RE-OPENING THEIR ECONOMIES AND 
RESTRICTIONS ARE GRADUALLY 
BEING EASED.
WITH THAT IN MIND, DEPUTY HEADS 
HAVE RECEIVED GUIDANCE ON HOW 
TO RESPOND TO THIS EASING OF 
RESTRICTIONS TO SUPPORT PLANS 
TO INCREASE TO FEDERAL 
WORKPLACES.
THIS GUIDANCE, WHICH WILL 
CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, HAS BEEN 
FORMULATED AS A RESULT OF 
CONSULTATIONS WITH BARGAINING 
AGENTS AND CONTRIBUTION FROM 
INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL EXPERTS.
NOTING THAT HEALTH AUTHORITIES 
HAVE STATED THAT PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING MEASURES SHOULD 
REMAIN, THESE PLANS WILL MAKE 
VISIONS FOR THE FACT THAT MANY 
PUBLIC SERVANTS WILL CONTINUE 
TO WORK REMOTELY FOR SOME TIME 
TO COME.
INDEED, AS PLANS UNFOLD, THE 
HEALTH AND SAFETY OF EMPLOYEES 
WILL BE AN ABSOLUTE PRIORITY 
FOR OUR GOVERNMENT.
INCREASING ACCESS TO FEDERAL 
WORK SITES IS FOR EMPLOYEES AND 
THE PUBLIC WILL BE GRADUAL AND 
WILL VARY FROM ORGANIZATION TO 
ORGANIZATION AND FROM ONE 
LOCATION IN CANADA TO THE OTHER 
BASED ON THEIR UNIQUE 
SITUATIONS.
I WANT TO STRESS THAT EMPLOYEES 
OF EVERY ORGANIZATION WILL BE 
GIVEN REASONABLE NOTICE AND 
ASSURANCES ABOUT THE SAFETY 
MEASURES THAT WE APPLY BEFORE 
BEING ASKED TO RETURN TO THEIR 
WORK SITE.
IN THE MEANTIME, AS WE BUILD ON 
THE INNOVATION SINES IN THE 
LAST MONTH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO 
LEVERAGE TOOLS AND TECHNOLOGY 
TO SERVE CANADIANS IN MORE 
MODERN AND EFFICIENT WAYS.
THE PANDEMIC HAS SHOWN HOW FAST 
AND NIMBLE THE PUBLIC SERVICE 
CAN BE AND JUST HOW IMPORTANT 
THE PUBLIC SERVICE IS TO 
CANADIANS.
AND YET A GLOBAL PANDEMIC, 
CANADA'S PUBLIC SERVANTS HAVE 
WORKED TIRE LEFTSLY TO SERVE 
CANADIANS.
ON BEHALF OF ALL CANADIANS, I 
THINK ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS FOR 
THEIR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY.
I KNOW THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO 
SERVE OUR COUNTRY WITH 
UNWAIVERING COMMITMENT AND 
DEDICATION.
[Speaking French] 
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: I 
WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN 
UPDATE ON THE EASING OF 
RESTRICTIONS FOR PUBLIC 
SERVANTS.
OUR SECTORS AND ALL DIFFERENT 
ASPECTS OF OUR ECONOMY WERE 
AFFECTED BY COVID-19.
THIS AFFECTED THE WAY THAT --
>> Rosemary: OK.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE 
WATCHING THIS PRESS CONFERENCE, 
YOU CAN DO SO AT cbc.ca.
JUST GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF 
NEWS IF YOU LIVE IN TORONTO AND 
PEEL REGION, YOU ARE MOVING 
INTO STAGE TWO OF RE-OPENING ON 
WEDNESDAY.
MEANING YOU GO GET YOUR HAIRCUT.
WINDSOR AND ESSEX REMAIN IN 
STAGE ONE.
WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT FROM 
THE PREMIER AT THE TOP OF THE 
HOUR.
LET'S GO TO THE GOVERNOR OF THE 
BANK OF CANADA, TIFF MACKLEM 
TAKING QUESTIONS FROM REPORTERS 
ON THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY MOVING 
FORWARD AFTER COVID-19.
LET'S LISTEN IN NOW.
>> GOOD MORNING, GOVERNOR.
KEVIN GALLAGHER HERE.
THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PUT 
OUT WHAT IS A PARTIAL SNAPSHOT 
OF CANADA'S ECONOMIC SITUATION, 
THIS PARTIAL ECONOMIC UPDATE.
BUT HOW MUCH OF THE LACK OF 
INFORMATION AND UNCERTAINTY 
MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO HAVE REAL 
PROJECTIONS FOR YOU TO DO YOUR 
WORK IN MANAGING THE ECONOMY 
AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS TIED TO 
THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT BEING 
ABLE TO PUT FORWARD THINGS LIKE 
A FULL FISCAL UPDATE AND A FULL 
FEDERAL BUDGET?
>> THANK YOU.
LOOK, THE OUTLOOK IS FRAUGHT 
WITH UNCERTAINTY.
I DON'T THINK I NEED TO 
UNDERLINE THAT TOO MANY TIMES.
WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WE'RE 
PLANNING TO DO ON JULY 15 IN 
OUR MONETARY POLICY REPORT AS I 
INDICATED, WE WILL BE 
PUBLISHING A CENTRAL SCENARIO 
AND JUST TO TELL YOU WHAT WE 
MEAN BY A CENTRAL SCENARIO, 
THAT IS GOING TO LOOK A LOT 
LIKE A FORECAST, BUT REFLECTING 
THE FACT THAT THERE ARE -- 
THERE IS UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS 
OF UNCERTAINTY, PARTICULARLY 
AROUND THE EVOLUTION OF THE 
VIRUS ITSELF WHERE WE'RE 
CALLING IT A CENTRAL SCENARIO 
TO REALLY UNDERLINE THAT THERE 
IS AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF 
UNCERTAINTY AROUND IT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE 
GOVERNMENT'S UPDATE, THAT WILL 
CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN 
VERY TRANSPARENT ON ITS 
SPENDING WITH RESPECT TO THE 
VARIOUS EMERGENCY RESPONSE 
MEASURES IT HAS TAKEN TO 
SUPPORT HOUSEHOLDS AND 
BUSINESSES TO DEFER TAX 
COLLECTIONS AND TO PROVIDE 
LENDING.
AND CERTAINLY THOSE SPENDING 
PLANS WILL BE AN IMPORTANT 
INPUT INTO OUR OUTLOOK.
>> A FOLLOW-UP.
>> SORRY, KEVIN.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR 
FOLLOW-UP.
WHEN WE HAVE TIME, WE'LL COME 
BACK TO YOU.
I HAVE TO MOVE ON.
"WALL STREET JOURNAL" IS NEXT.
>> Reporter: HI.
THANK YOU, GOVERNOR.
YOU REFERRED IN THE SPEECH TO 
THE BANKS AS THE [INAUDIBLE] 
PROGRAMMES AS BECOMING A SOURCE 
OF MONETARY STIMULUS.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN THOSE 
SHIFTED FROM EASING STRAINS AND 
FINANCIAL MARKETS TO PROVIDING 
STIMULUS AND HOW EFFECTIVE IS 
QUANTITATIVE EASING IN 
PROVIDING STIMULUS TO THE 
ECONOMY RIGHT NOW?
>> SO, THE ASSET PURCHASE 
PROGRAMMES WERE LAUNCHED IN A 
PERIOD WHEN THERE WERE SEVERE 
STRAINS IN FUNDING MARKETS AND 
THEIR IMMEDIATE GOAL, THE 
IMPERTIVE OF CENTRAL BANK IS TO 
PROVIDE THE LIQUIDITY THAT IS 
NEEDED TO KEEP CREDIT FLOWING.
AND THAT WAS REALLY THROUGH 
MARCH AND APRIL.
AS WE'VE SEEN, AS WE GOT INTO 
MAY AND CERTAINLY NOW INTO 
JUNE, WE HAVE SEEN SUBSTANTIAL 
IMPROVEMENT IN MARKET 
FUNCTIONING.
SO, SOME OF OUR SHORTER TERM 
PROGRAMMES, V.A. PROGRAMME, FOR 
EXAMPLE, YOU'RE SEEING A SCALE 
BACK OF THAT PROGRAMME.
THE REPOS ARE STARTING TO ROLL 
OFF.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE 
COMMITTED TO CONTINUE BUYING 
GOVERNMENT OF CANADA BONDS AT 
THE PACE OF AT LEAST $5 BILLION 
A WEEK.
AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE 
IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE SEEN IN 
FUNDING MARKETS AND WITH THE 
ECONOMY BEGINNING TO RE-OPEN, 
THAT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT 
SOURCE OF STIMULUS THAT IS 
QUANTITATIVE EASING, THAT WILL 
BE AN IMPORTANT SOURCE OF 
STIMULUS.
WE'VE LOWERED THE POLICY RATE 
TO THE EFFECTIVE LOWER BOUND OF 
25 BASIS POINTS AT THE SHORT 
END AND THE LARGE SCALE ASSET 
PURCHASES ARE CONTRIBUTING TO 
KEEPING INTEREST RATES LOW 
ACROSS THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA 
KUFRK AND THAT IS GETTING 
PASSED ON TO HOUSEHOLDS AND 
BUSINESSES.
THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT 
OF MONETARY STIMULUS IN PLACE.
IF YOU LOOK AT VARIABLE 
MORTGAGES, DOWN ABOUT 80 BASIS 
POINTS.
PRIME RATE DOWN ABOUT 150 BASIS 
POINTS.
RAYS ACROSS THE GOVERNMENT 
CURVE ARE AT OR NEAR HISTORIC 
LOWS AND IF YOU LOOK AT REAL 
INTEREST RATES, BY WHICH I MEAN 
THE NOMINAL RATE LESS EXPECTED 
INFLATION, THOSE ARE NEGATIVE.
>> THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION IS FROM DAVE 
PARKINSON AND HE WILL BE 
FOLLOWED BY SHELLY HAGEN OF 
BLOOMBERG AND KEL  --  KELSEY 
JOHNSON OF REUTERS.
>> Reporter: GOOD MORNING -- 
GOOD AFTERNOON, GOVERNOR.
TURNED INTO AFTERNOON WHEN I 
WAS WORKING.
JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON 
KIM'S QUESTION A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE Q.E. 
AND C.E. FUNCTIONS OF THOSE 
BOND PROGRAMMES, YOU KNOW, 
SHIFTING TO MORE OF A MONETARY 
STIMULUS ROLE, I'M WONDERING IF 
YOU FORESEE THAT THE BANK WILL 
HAVE TO ADJUST THOSE 
PROGRAMMES, REWORK THEM IN SOME 
WAY TO SERVE AS A MONETARY 
STIMULUS PURPOSE.
IF WE'RE GOING NEED TO SEE A 
REWORKING, EVEN EXPANSION OF 
THOSE PROGRAMMES IN ORDER TO 
SERVE THAT NEW ROLE MORE 
DIRECTLY.
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT I WOULD 
STRESS IS THAT, WHILE THESE 
PROGRAMMES WERE INITIATED TO 
RESTORE MARKET FUNCTIONING, AS 
THAT HAS PROGRESSED AND AS IT 
HAS -- AS THAT MARKET  
FUNCTIONING HAS BEEN RESTORED, 
INCREASINGLY THE LARGE SCALE 
ASSET PURCHASES ARE PROVIDING 
MONETARY STIMULUS.
YOU KNOW, WE -- WE HAVE -- WE 
CERTAINLY HAVE OPTIONS GOING 
FORWARD.
WE CAN SCALE THOSE PROGRAMMES.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN CENTRAL 
BANKS AROUND THE WORLD TRY 
OTHER THINGS, YIELD CURVE 
CONTROL, FORWARD GUIDANCE.
THESE THINGS ARE ALL IN OUR 
TOOL KIT.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT, 
YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, THE -- 
THE TYPES OF MEASURES WE TAKE 
WILL DEPEND ON THE 
CIRCUMSTANCES, DIFFERENT 
MEASURES HAVE DIFFERENT 
EFFECTIVENESS IN DIFFERENT 
CIRCUMSTANCES AND THEY WILL BE 
GUIDED BY THE ACHIEVEMENT OF 
OUR INFLATION TARGET.
WE'LL BE FLEXIBLE.
WE'LL BE RESOLUTE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE INNOVATIVE 
AND DETERMINED.
>> THANK YOU.
JUST BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT 
QUESTION.
FOR THOSE REPORTERS WHO ARE 
LATE IN JOINING THE CALL, IF 
YOU HAVE A QUESTION, LET US 
KNOW BY SEDGE AN E-MAIL TO 
COMMUNICATIONS@BANK OF 
CANADA.CA AND WE'LL PUT YOU IN 
THE QUEUE.
FR *IFRJ FRENCH 
[Speaking French] 
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: FOR 
JAO *ISES JOINING THE CALL LATE 
PLEASE SEND A SHORT E-MAIL TO 
THE E-MAIL ADDRESS SPECIFIED.
IF YOU WISH TO ASK A QUESTION 
AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO 
THE LIST.
>> Reporter: HI, GOVERNOR.
THIS IS SHELLY HIGGINS WITH 
BLOOMBERG NEWS.
WHEN THE TIME DOES COME TO 
REMOVE THE EMERGENCY STIMULUS, 
DO YOU ANTICIPATE TO REDUCE 
YOUR BALANCE SHEET FIRST BEFORE 
RAISING RATES?
>> LOOK.
WE HAVE ALL THE TOOLS WE NEED 
TO EXIT.
BUT EXIT IS A LONG WAY OFF.
WE'RE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF 
RECOVERY FROM AN UNPRECEDENTED 
DROP IN G.D.P.
WE EXPECT IN THE IMMEDIATE 
COMING MONTH, WE DO EXPECT TO 
SEE SOME PRETTY GOOD GROWTH 
NUMBERS, BOTH JOBS AND G.D.P..
BUT WE DO EXPECT THAT FOLLOWING 
THIS INITIAL RE-OPENING PHASE, 
THERE WILL BE A SLOWER, LONGER 
RECUPERATION PHASE.
[NO AUDIO]
>> Rosemary: OK.
WE SEEM TO HAVE RUN INTO A 
LITTLE TECHNICAL HICCUP THERE 
WITH THE GOVERNOR OF THE BANK 
OF CANADA AND THAT'S TOO BAD 
BECAUSE HE WAS SAYING SOMETHING 
THAT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.
WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU AS 
SOON AS WE GET IT UP AND 
RUNNING.
BUT THE GOVERNOR WAS ASKING AT 
WHAT POINT DOES THE BANK START 
SCALING BACK MONETARY POLICY, 
WHICH USES TO BACKSTOP 
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS LIKE 
YOUR BANKS BUT ALSO WHOLE 
PROVINCES T. GOVERNOR OF THE 
BANK OF CANADA SAYING THAT THIS 
IS REALLY THE VERY, VERY 
BEGINNING OF THE RECOVERY AND 
THAT HE DOES EXPECT TO SEE 
BETTER JOB NUMBERS AND BETTER 
G.D.P. MOVING FORWARD.
BUT IT WILL BE A SLOW 
RECUPERATION PHASE OF THIS 
RECOVERY AND VERY DIFFERENT 
THAN PREVIOUS RECOVERIES, FOR 
INSTANCE AFTER THE RECESSION IN 
2008.
SO, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO 
YOU IF WE GET IT.
IF NOT, I WILL GO BACK TO THE 
OTHER PRESS CONFERENCE 
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH THE 
PRESIDENT OF THE TREASURY BOARD.
LET'S DIP INTO THAT.
>> [Speaking French] 
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
ANSWER, THIS IS A LEGITIMATE 
QUESTION.
MINISTER QUALTROUGH AND 
MINISTER MORNEAU ARE WORKING 
HARD IN ORDER TO CREATE 
FORECASTS.
MINISTER QUALTROUGH LAST WEEK 
SET $17 BILLION AS AN ESTIMATE 
PER MONTH AND THIS DATA -- THIS 
NUMBER WAS BASED ON THE FIRST 
MONTH.
AND AFTER THE FIRST MONTH, 
THERE WAS A DECREASE IN 
APPLICATIONS BETWEEN MARCH AND 
MAY, A DECREASE OF ABOUT 20%.
AND, SINCE MAY, WITH THINGS 
RE-OPENING, WE'RE EXPECTING 
THIS DECREASE TO BE EVEN MORE 
SIGNIFICANT.
I THINK THAT FOR A GOOD 
JOURNALIST SUCH AS YOURSELF, 
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET AN IDEA 
OF THE FUTURE BY LOOKING AT THE 
DATA FROM MARCH TO MAY AND WE 
WANT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH 
MORE SPECIFIC DATA AND THAT IS 
WHY THOSE THREE MINISTERS WILL 
HAVE BETTER ESTIMATES.
QUESTION -- WHEN WILL THIS BE 
AVAILABLE?
ANSWER -- AS QUICKLY AS 
POSSIBLE.
BUT WE WANT TO BE PRECISE, MORE 
THAN WE WANT TO BE QUICK.
AND CONSISTS OF THE DATA ON 
EMPLOYMENT.
WE CAN FORECAST APPLICATIONS 
FROM JULY TO AUGUST.
SO, WE WERE WAITING ON THIS 
EMPLOYMENT DATA THAT WE 
RECEIVED ON JUNE 5 SO THAT WE 
CAN USE ECONOMIC AND STATISTIC 
METHODS TO GIVE A MORE ACCURATE 
-- GIVE US A MORE ACCURATE IDEA 
OF THE FUTURE.
NEXT QUESTION, PLEASE.
>> Reporter: [Speaking French]
>> [Voice of Interpreter]: 
HELLO, MR. DUCLOS.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING 
PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO SHOULD BE 
ABLE TO GO BACK TO WORK.
ABOUT 150,000 OF THEM.
YOU SHOULD HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW 
THESE PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE 
WORKING.
DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER ON HOW 
MANY OF THEM COULD GO BACK TO 
WORK AND WORK IN THOSE OFFICES 
AND MAINTAIN PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING WITHOUT TAKING INTO 
ACCOUNT SOCIAL DISTANCING.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE 
TO GO BACK TO THEIR JOBS?
ANSWER -- I WANT TO COME BACK 
TO SOME DATA I FORGOT TO 
MENTION REGARDING TELEWORK.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CRISIS, 
WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 
GOVERNMENT OF CANADA BEING ABLE 
TO OFFER TELEWORKS TO HUNDREDS 
OF THOUSANDS OF PUBLIC SERVANTS.
OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS, I WAS 
ABLE TO NOTE THAT DOUBLE THE 
AMOUNT OF PUBLIC SERVANTS WERE 
ABLE TO HAVE SECURE ACCESS TO 
THE NETWORK.
THERE WERE 140,000 CONNECTIONS 
BEFORE THE CRISIS AND NOW WE'RE 
AT 280 SECURE CONNECTIONS.
THIS IS A LOT OF CONNECTIONS 
THAT THE EMPLOYEES CAN USE AND 
WE'RE AT 100,000 EMPLOYEES OF 
THE PUBLIC SERVICE WHO CAN 
SIMULTANEOUSLY, IN DIFFERENT 
GROUPS OF COURSE, WHO CAN BE 
PARTICIPATING IN VIRTUAL 
MEETINGS AND OUR TELECONFERENCE 
CAPACITY, WHICH IS QUITE 
IMPORTANT REGARDING TELEWORKS.
OUR CAPACITY WENT FROM 1.6 
MILLION TO $3.6 MILLION PER DAY 
SO WE TRIPLED OUR ABILITY TO 
WORK IN TELE CONFERENCE MODE.
A LOT HAS CHANGED AT THE PUBLIC 
SERVICE AND SO TELEWORK IS MORE 
POSSIBLE NOW, BUT IT IS ALSO A 
LOT MORE EFFICIENT THAN I WAS 
BEFORE THE CRISIS.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE 
RETURN OF PUBLIC SERVANTS TO 
WORK.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RETURN 
TO OFFICES BECAUSE PUBLIC 
SERVANT HAVE BEEN WORKING OVER 
THE PAST WEEKS AND SOME OF THEM 
WERE WORKING EVEN HARDER THAN 
THEY WERE BEFORE THE CRISIS 
BECAUSE THEY WERE IN CRISIS 
MANAGEMENT MODE.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE SPECIFIC 
HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RETURN TO 
THEIR PHYSICAL OFFICE AND NOT 
THEIR RETURN TO WORK.
NOW, COMING BACK TO YOUR 
QUESTION -- 
MINISTER ANAND WHO IS 
RESPONSIBLE FOR P.P.E. 
PROCUREMENT HAS BEEN WORKING 
CLOSELY --
>> Rosemary: OK.
JUMPING AROUND A LOT TODAY, BUT 
WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK NOW TO 
THE GOVERNOR OF THE BANK OF 
CANADA.
WE MANAGED TO RE-ESTABLISH THE 
CONNECTION.
HE IS TAKING QUESTIONS NOW.
>> SHIFTED THE WEIGHT IN THE 
INDEX TO BE MORE REFLECTIVE OF 
THE BUYING PATTERNS OF 
CANADIANS RUE.
AND WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU DO 
THAT IS THAT INFLATION -- 
MEASURED INFLATION HASN'T 
FALLEN QUITE AS MUCH AS TOTAL 
C.P.I. ALTHOUGH THERE IS NOT A 
HUGE GAP BETWEEN THEM.
WHAT I WOULD SAY GOING FORWARD 
IS THAT SOME OF THE SHIFTS WI 
EVE SEEN IN SPENDING PATTERNS 
ARE GOING TO UNWIND AS WE GET 
BACK TO MORE REGULAR SHOPPING 
ACTIVITIES.
THEY'LL PROBABLY BE SOME 
EFFECTS THAT ARE MORE 
PERSISTENT.
CLEARLY SPENDING -- GOING TO 
LARGE ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS WITH 
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, THAT IS 
NOT HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON.
SO, SOME OF THESE EFFECTS WILL 
BE MORE PERSISTENT.
YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT WE'RE 
DOING HERE, AIDED BY STATSCAN, 
WILL REALLY TRY TO LOOK THROUGH 
THESE MORE TEMPORARY EFFECTS 
THAT ARE GOING TO UNWIND AND 
FACTOR IN THE MORE ENDURING 
EFFECTS.
>> I THINK WE CAN SQUEEZE IN 
THE LAST TWO QUESTIONS.
GO AHEAD, TONY.
>> Reporter: HI, GOVERNOR.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY 
QUESTION.
YOU MENTIONED THE UPCOMING 
POLICY REPORT WOULD INCLUDE A 
SCENARIO.
I'M ASSUMING WHAT KIND OF 
ASSUMPTIONS OF THAT SCENARIO 
MIGHT INCORPORATE OR WHAT OTHER 
KINDS OF SCENARIOS THE BANK IS 
CONSIDERING, YOU MENTIONED IN 
MANAGING COVID -- WELL T HOPE 
IS THAT ANY OUTBREAKS BE 
MANAGED ON A LOCAL BASIS AS 
OPPOSED TO NATIONAL SHUTDOWN 
AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU 
THINK ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF 
THE VARIOUS SCENARIOS.
>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THE FORECAST 
YET THAT THE STAFF IS 
PRESENTING.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
THERE IS A PROCESS BETWEEN NOW 
AND JULY 15.
BUT AT A HIGH LEVEL, IT IS 
PROBABLY SAFE TO SAY THAT THE 
CENTRAL SCENARIO IS NOT GOING 
TO INCLUDE A MAJOR SECOND 
ECONOMY-WIDE SHUTDOWN.
THERE WILL BE RISKS AROUND THAT 
CENTRAL SCENARIO AND THAT WOULD 
BE ONE OF THEM.
I THINK THE CENTRAL SCENARIO 
WOULD EMBODY THE REALITY THAT 
THERE PROBABLY WILL BE SOME 
MORE LOCAL FLARE-UPS AND SO 
THAT WILL BE AFFECTING SUPPLY 
ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
HOPEFULLY WE'RE BETTER AT 
CLOSING IT, ISOLATING IT AND 
CLOSING IT DOWN FASTER THAN THE 
ONE BEFORE.
>> THE LAST QUESTION IS FROM 
JORDAN.
>> Reporter: HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.
YOU TALKED IN YOUR SPEECH THAT 
THIS PANDEMIC IS LIKELY TO 
INFLICT SOME LASTING DAMAGE.
I'M CURIOUS IF YOU COULD TALK A 
LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE 
EARLY INDICATIONS THAT YOU'RE 
SEEING ABOUT THAT LASTING 
DAMAGE SO CANADIANS CAN 
UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MIGHT MEAN 
BY THAT.
>> ACTUALLY, RIGHT NOW IT'S 
PRETTY HARD TO SEE IT BECAUSE 
THE GOVERNMENT HAS PROVIDED 
VERY LARGE SCALE TRANSFERS TO 
HOUSEHOLDS, SUPPORTS FOR 
BUSINESS, CERB, THE WAGE 
SUBSIDY AND THEY HAVE -- FOR 
HOUSEHOLDS, THOSE TRANSFERS ARE 
REPLACING THE INCOMES THEY LOST 
THROUGH COVID.
AS WE GET THROUGH, AND EVEN IN 
THIS NEXT FIRST RE-OPENING 
PHASE, AS I SAID, I THINK 
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PRETTY 
GOOD JOB GROWTH NUMBERS AND 
SOME GOOD G.D.P. GROWTH NUMBERS 
AS SUPPLY COMES BACK ONLINE.
AS WE GET THROUGH THAT 
RE-OPENING PHASE, THOUGH, WE DO 
THINK THAT THE  PACE OF THE 
RECOVERY WILL SLOW AND THAT 
WILL REFLECT THE REALITY THAT 
NOT EVERYBODY'S JOB IS COMING 
BACK.
IT WILL REFLECT THE FACT THAT 
SOME COMPANIES AREN'T GOING TO 
MAKE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF 
THIS.
NEW COMPANIES WILL FORM P. 
EXISTING COMPANIES WILL SEIZE 
NEW OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT THAT TAKES SOME TIME AND 
THROUGH THAT THAT IS GOING TO 
BE A SLOWER, BUMPIER PROCESS 
THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE 
ONGOING SUPPORT.
>> THAT CONCLUDES TODAY'S PRESS 
CONFERENCE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GOVERNOR.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR 
JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Rosemary: OK, THAT WAS AS 
MUCH AS WE COULD GET, I THINK 
THE FIRST PRESS CONFERENCE BY 
THE GOVERNOR OF THE BANK OF 
CANADA AND PART OF THE RESPECT 
WHY WE WANTED TO BRING THAT TO 
YOU.
HE HAS, THE GOVERNOR, TIFF 
MACKLEM APPEARED BEFORE SOME 
PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEES BUT 
TODAY HE WAS GIVING A SPEECH 
AND FOLLOWED UP BY SOME 
QUESTIONS AND HIS VIEW ON WHERE 
THE ECONOMY IS GOING IS REALLY 
IMPORTANT FOR OUR UNDERSTANDING 
OF WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING OVER 
THE COMING MONTHS AND, OF 
COURSE, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE 
GOVERNMENT ALSO MIGHT BE DOING.
SO LET'S BRING BACK MY 
COLLEAGUES, VASSY KAPELOS AND 
DAVID COCHRANE.
SO APOLOGIES THAT WE DIDN'T GET 
ALL OF IT, BUT WE GOT SOME 
PARTS THAT WERE NONETHELESS 
IMPORTANT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE 
HIGHLIGHTED THERE AT THE END, 
NOT THAT YOU BOTH COULD 
[INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE I KNOW 
YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THIS STUFF 
AS WELL, JOB GROWTH AND G.D.P., 
GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT, WILL 
IMPROVE IN THE THIRD QUARTER.
THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
BUT THINGS ARE GOING LOOK 
DIFFERENT.
AND THAT IS NOT ONLY WHAT THE 
BANK OF CANADA IS CONTENDING 
WITH, BUT CERTAINLY WHAT THE 
GOVERNMENT IS CONTENDING WITH 
AS THEY GET THIS FISCAL 
SNAPSHOT UP AND READY.
>> AND I THOUGHT IT WAS 
INTERESTING TO HEAR IT FROM HIM 
AND MATCH WHAT YOU FEEL LIKE 
WHEN YOU'RE OUT BACK IN THIS 
NEWLY RE-OPENED WORLD.
BY THAT, I MEAN WHAT I THOUGHT 
REALLY STUCK OUT AT THE END 
THERE FOR ME WAS WHEN HE SAID 
THAT AFTER THE RE-OPENING, 
RECOVERY WILL BE SLOW.
IT WILL NOT BE AS YOU EXPECT.
MANY BUSINESSES NO LONGER ARE 
THERE AND MANY PEOPLE DON'T 
HAVE JOBS TO GO BACK TO AND 
ONCE THE GOVERNMENT STOPS 
SUPPLEMENTING PEOPLE'S INCOME 
YOU'LL HAVE -- MAYBE I'M 
INTERPRETING HERE -- A MORE 
ACCURATE PICTURE OF WHAT THAT 
TRUE RECOVERY WILL LOOK LIKE OR 
WHAT OR IF IT IS NOT REALLY A 
RECOVERY OR TO WHAT DEGREE 
BASICALLY.
I WAS THINKING AS I WENT OUT 
AND I WAS IN TORONTO AND 
OTTAWA, OBVIOUSLY THE WEEKEND 
BEFORE AS EVERYTHING WAS 
RE-OPENED AND THERE ARE MANY 
BUSINESSS THAT ARE NO LONGER 
THERE.
WHEN WE'RE INSIDE, IT'S HARDER 
TO SEE, I GUESS, TO THE SAME 
DEGREE THE IMPACT ON NOT JUST 
INDIVIDUALS, BUT PEOPLE WHO OWN 
BUSINESSES OR THOSE BUSINESSES 
ITSELF.
THERE ARE LOTS OF RESTAURANTS, 
FOR EXAMPLE, WHO ARE NOT PART 
OF ANY RE-OPENING PHASE IN SO 
MUCH OF THE COUNTRY AT THE 
MOMENT THAT ARE NO LONGER 
OPERATING.
THAT HAVE SIMPLY CLOSED THEIR 
DOORS BECAUSE THEY CAN.
I WAS OFTEN SORT OF REFLECTING 
AND THINKING ABOUT, WELL, THAT 
HAS TO FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE 
ECONOMY FOR A LONG TIME AND TO 
THAT DEGREE, THE GOVERNOR ALSO 
TALKED ACTION, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 
PROSPECT OF GOVERNMENT STIMULUS.
STIMULUS DIFFERENT THAN 
SUPPLEMENTING SOMEONE'S INCOME 
OR HELPING OUT WITH WAGES BUT 
ACTUALLY STIMULATING THE 
ECONOMY DURING THE RECOVERY 
PERIOD AND HE WOULD NOT PUT A 
CALENDAR DATE ON IT.
YOU KNOW, IT IS GOING TO COME 
AT SOME POINT, BUT CERTAINLY -- 
HE DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO SAY WHEN 
IT COULD COME BECAUSE THAT IS 
TOO DIFFICULT AT THIS POINT.
I JUST FELT LIKE IT REALLY 
UNDERSCORED WHAT IS HAPPENING 
OUTSIDE AS THIS RE-OPENING 
BEGIN.
I THINK I FEEL SOMEWHAT 
OPTIMISTIC AND A LOT OF PEOPLE 
DO BECAUSE IT'S NICE TO HAVE A 
BIT OF NORMALCY IN OUR LIVE.
BUT IT FRUILI ISN'T REALLY WHAT 
IT WAS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.
RIGHT?
AND I THINK WHAT I GOT FROM 
THIS MESSAGE WAS IT WON'T BE 
FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME AND 
THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE 
FISCAL POLICY OF THE GOVERNMENT 
FOR THAT.
THE PRIME MINISTER KEEPS ASKING 
EMPLOYERS TO TAKE HIM UP ON IT.
THAT IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED 
UNTIL THE END OF AUGUST.
RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE HALF THE 
APPLICANTS THAT THEY THOUGHT 
THEY WOULD FOR THE PROGRAMME.
HOW WILL THEY AMEND THE 
PROGRAMME?
THEY'RE PROMISING CHANGES TO 
IT, THE EXTENSION OF IT.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR 
EMPLOYERS TRYING TO ACCESS IT?
I THINK THOSE QUESTIONS ARE 
ONES THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO 
TACKLE WITH AND STILL VERY 
QUICKLY BECAUSE AS I SAID, 
THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES 
CONSIDERING THOSE QUESTIONS.
HOW LONG DO I KEEP OPEN -- CAN 
I STAY OPEN.
THAT KIND OF THING.
I JUST FELT LIKE MR. MACKLEM 
UNDERSCORED A LOT OF THAT.
>> Rosemary: AND THIS COME ON 
THE DAY WHEN WE'RE EXPECTING 
THE PREMIER OF ONTARIO AT THE 
TOP OF THE HOUR THERE TO TALK 
ABOUT SOME RELAXATION FOR 
TORONTO, FOR PEEL AND NOT FOR 
EVERYWHERE.
WINDSOR-ESSEX REMAIN IN STAGE 
ONE.
THAT MAINS HAIRDRESSERS AND 
PATIOS AND OTHER THINGS IN 
OTTAWA AND PARTS OF ONTARIO 
START TO RE-OPEN, MANY OTHER 
PLACES IN THE COUNTRY ARE WELL 
UNDER WAY THERE.
BUT ONTARIO HAS BEEN LAGGING 
BEHIND AND THAT BECOMES A 
PROBLEM FOR THE ECONOMIC ENGINE 
OF THE COUNTRY AS WELL.
ALSO SUPER INTERESTING AND I 
THOUGHT, DAVID, THAT HE TALKED 
ABOUT IF WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN 
AGAIN THAT IT WON'T BE AS 
DRAMATIC.
IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS 
SUGGESTING THAT BECAUSE WE WILL 
HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF HOW TO 
CONTROL THE VIRUS THAT THE 
ECONOMIC SHUTDOWN WOULD ALSO 
LOOK DIFFERENT MOVING FORWARD.
>> YEAH.
WE KIND OF HAVE AN EVOLVING 
PLAYBOOK ON THIS.
THERE IS P.P.E. -- IT IS NOT AS 
IN SHORT SUPPLY AS IT WAS AT 
THE BEGINNING OF THIS.
WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE THE 
CAPACITY IS IN THE HEALTH CARE 
SYSTEM AND WE KNOW MORE ABOUT 
THE VIRUS.
THAT BEING SAID, FORECASTERS, 
THE THING THEY ALWAYS CAUTION 
AGAINST IS UNCERTAINTY AND THE 
SINGLE GREATEST SOURCE OF 
UNCERTAINTY RIGHT NOW IS WHAT 
IS GOING HAPPEN WITH THE VIRUS, 
RIGHT?
YOU HEARD TIFF MACKLEM TALKING 
ABOUT IN JULY THEY'LL COME OUT 
WITH A CENTRAL SCENARIO THAT IS 
GOING TO LOOK LIKE A FORECAST.
SO, IT IS NOT REALLY GOING TO BE
 YOUR STANDARD KIND OF FORECAST 
AND THIS BUILDS ON WHAT WE 
HEARD FROM THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT AND THAT IS WHEN 
PEOPLE SAY THEY WANT TO SEE A 
FISCAL UPDATE OR FISCAL 
STATEMENT FROM THEM OR GETTING 
A FISCAL SNAPSHOT BECAUSE 
THEY'RE FLAT OUT SAYING WE 
CAN'T GIVE YOU SOMETHING WITH 
THE RIGOR THAT WE NORMALLY GIVE 
YOU WITH THE ONE-YEAR, 
THREE-YEAR OR FIVE-YEAR OUTLOOK.
THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IN WHAT 
BILL MORNEAU GIVES US ON THE 
8TH OF JULY.
AN EXTRA SET ANNOUNCEMENT FROM 
THE BANK OF CANADA.
IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT, ROSIE, 
THAT WE'RE STILL -- WHILE WE'RE 
ALL TALKING ABOUT RECOVERY TO 
WANT TO GET BACK TO RECOVERY.
WE'RE NOT OUT OF THE EMERGENCY 
PHASE OF THIS YET.
RIGHT?
LIKE THE EXTENSION OF THE CERB, 
THE WAGE SUBSIDY ROLLING OUT TO 
THE END OF AUGUST, THEY'RE 
STILL PUTTING A FLOOR UNDER THE 
CANADIAN FAMILIES, CANADIAN 
BUSINESSES AND THE CANADIAN 
ECONOMY AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.
WE TALK ABOUT HOW DISAPPOINTING 
THE WAGE SUBSIDY INTICK HAS 
BEEN.
THAT IS 2 30I6 MILLION PEOPLE.
THAT IS 16% OF FULL-TIME JOBS 
IN THE COUNTRY NOW ON WAGE 
SUBSIDY.
YOU HAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 30% 
TO 50% OF THE CANADIAN LABOUR 
FORCE ON GOVERNMENT SUPPORT AND 
THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE 
MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, 
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES 
OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.
WE'RE JUST NOT AT THE PHASE 
WHERE IT'S ANYTHING LIKE NORMAL.
AND WHEN TIFF MACKLEM SAYS 
WE'LL SEE GROWTH IN THE THIRD 
QUARTER, THAT IS A BOUNCEBACK 
FROM THIS UNPRECEDENTED G.D.P. 
AND WE GET A LIFT WHERE 
CURBSIDE DOORS CAN OPEN UP AND 
THERE IS SOME MONEY COMING BACK 
INTO THE ECONOMY.
BUT MRAOK AT THE NUMBERSS THAT 
FOLLOW IT.
A BLOOMBERG REPORTER IN THE 
U.S. TODAY, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR 
ECONOMY IS DEPENDING ON THE 
UNITED STATES.
IN ARIZONA, MO THAN 20% OF ALL 
COVID TESTS CAME BACK POSITIVE.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
THEY'VE HAD 144% GROWTH IN 
CASES SINCE MEMORIAL DAY.
SO LIKE MORE THAN HALF OF THE 
STATES AND OUR BIGGEST ECONOMIC 
-- BECAUSE IF THE U.S. ECONOMY 
GOES, THE CANADIAN ECONOMY GOES 
WITH IT.
THEY'RE OUT OF CONTROL IN A LOT 
OF THESE STATES VERSUS THE NEAR 
CONTROL THAT WE HAVE IN CANADA 
RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE IS SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY 
AND ALL THE ECONOMIC INPUTS IN 
THE CANADIAN ECONOMY THAT 
NOBODY CAN SAY WITH ANY 
CERTAINTY HOW IT WILL GET BACK 
TO NORMAL.
>> Rosemary: AND IT WAS 
INTERESTING, OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE 
IS DOING THEIR BEST TO MAKE 
PROJECTIONS OR GET A SENSE OF 
WHAT'S NEXT AND EVEN THE 
GOVERNMENT.
-- EVEN THE GOVERNOR'S THOUGHTS 
ON HOW SPENDING IS CHANGING 
THINGS.
EVEN THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE 
SPENDING THAT PEOPLE WOULD 
NATURALLY TEND TOWARDS, IF THEY 
HAVE EXTRA MONEY GOING TO 
RESTAURANTS AND GOING TO 
RESTAURANTS AND MOVIE, THOSE 
THINGS, TOO, BECOME SORT OF NOT 
THINGS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO 
OR NOT THINGS THAT YOU FEEL 
COMFORTABLE DOING OR NOT THINGS 
THAT ARE POSSIBLE.
SO EVEN HIM SPECULATING ABOUT 
THE CHANGE IN LONG-TERM 
SPENDING HABITS ABOUT CANADIAN 
AS WE MOVE INTO WHATEVER THIS 
NEXT PART IS.
THAT HITS CANADA'S BOTTOM LINE 
AND HAS ALL SORTS OF 
CONSEQUENCES THERE.
LET'S JUST TALK, IF WE CAN, A 
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PUBLIC 
SERVICE.
WE DIDN'T TAKE MUCH OF THAT 
PRESS CONFERENCE BUT 
ESSENTIALLY THE PRESIDENT OF 
THE TREASURY BOARD HAS PREPARED 
A DOCUMENT TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC 
SERVICE SOME SENSE ABOUT WHAT'S 
HAPPENING AND WHAT CONDITIONS 
HAVE TO BE IN PLACE.
BUT WHAT HE SAID IN THAT PRESS 
CONFERENCE WAS THAT, HEY, 
EVERYBODY'S WORKING FROM HOME 
AND IT'S ACTUALLY GOING BETTER 
THAN WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO.
WHICH I THINK FOR A LOT OF 
PEOPLE HAS BEEN PART OF THE 
CONCLUSION THAT YOU CAN -- NOT 
ALL JOBS, OF COURSE.
BUT YOU CAN GET PEOPLE WORKING 
FROM HOME AND IT CAN BE QUITE 
EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE.
VASSY?
>> Vassy: I THINK IT CAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR 
CONVERSATIONS ARE THE SAME.
BUT MOST PUBLIC SERVANTS I 
TALKED TO DON'T EXPECT TO GO 
BACK TO WORK AT ANY POINT.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT 
THE GOVERNMENT WILL SORT OF 
EMBARK ON QUASI-NEGOTIATIONS TO 
TRY TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE THEY 
HAVE A GUIDE BOOK.
BUT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW 
THAT MIGHT PLAY OUT.
IT WILL BE A NUMBER OF MO *FRMS 
BEFORE THE PROCESS EVEN STARTS.
I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT 
CAVEAT, NOT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC 
SERVICE, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO 
WILL REMAIN WORKING AT HOME FOR 
A WHIEFM AND THAT IS ABOUT 
CHILD CARE.
AND GOING BACK TO SCHOOL AND I 
KNOW IT VARIES AND THE PLANS 
VARY DEPENDING ON THE PROVINCE 
YOU'RE IN.
IN SOME PROVINCES LIKE THIS 
ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS THE 
IDEA THAT SOME KIDS MAY ONLY GO 
TO SCHOOL FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER 
OF DAYS OR EVERY OTHER WEEK OR 
THERE MIGHT BE A ROTATION AND 
SCHOOL BOARDS IN MANY OTHER 
PROVINCES ARE CONSIDERING 
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S BEEN ISSUES WITH 
DAYCARES ALTHOUGH THEY'RE 
ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME.
IT IS NOT SO CUT AND DRY 
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO LIMIT THE 
NUMBER OF KID AND THEY HAVE A 
FINANCIAL MODLE THAT THEY NEED 
TO BASE THEIR DECISION ON WHEN 
IT COMES TO THAT.
SO, THE NUMBER ONE THING I'M 
HEARING PARTICULARLY FROM WOMEN 
IN THE WORKFORCE, BUT ALSO MEN 
WHO ARE TASKED WITH TAKING CARE 
OF THEIR KIDS WHILE THEY ARE AT 
HOME TRYING TO DO FULL-TIME 
JOBS IS THAT, A, IT'S BEEN 
REALLY DIFFICULT AND THE 
SOLUTIONS PROPOSED SO FAR ARE 
NOT NECESSARILY MEETING THE 
REQUIREMENTS.
RIGHT?
AND I KNOW IT IS AN EVOLVING 
SITUATION AND CERTAINLY 
GOVERNMENT OF ALL STRIPES ARE 
NOT GOING TO GET IT RIGHT RIGHT 
AWAY AND DEPEND ON WHERE WE ARE 
WHEN IT COMES TO THE VIRUS.
BUT PARTICULARLY CONFUSION 
ABOUT GOING BACK TO SCHOOL IN 
SEPTEMBER.
IF YOU HAVE THREE KIDS AND EACH 
OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT DAYS 
THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN 
SCHOOL, AND THEY'RE YOUNG AND 
YOU CAN'T AFFORD CHILD CARE IN 
YOUR HOME, LIKE HOW DO YOU 
FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO MAJOR JOB 
WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TAKE 
CARE OF YOUR KIDS?
THAT IS GOC TO BE, AS WE TALK 
ABOUT FOR EXAMPLE THE POTENTIAL 
FOR RECOVERY, BEYOND JUST THE 
FIRST BUMP WE'VE SEEN THROUGH 
RE-OPENING, I THINK THAT IS 
GOING TO BE ONE OF THE BIG 
QUESTIONS THAT AFFECTS THE SORT 
OF THE SPEED AT WHICH THAT 
RECOVERY HAPPENS OR THE DEGREE 
TO WHICH IT HAPPENS BECAUSE A 
LOT OF PEOPLE I HEAR FROM ARE 
HAVING A TOUGH TIME DOING BOTH 
AT THE SAME TIME.
>> Rosemary: FOR SURE.
SCHOOL IS COMING TO AN END FOR 
LOTS OF STUDENTS ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY 
SUDDENLY HAVE THING TO DO OR 
THEY'RE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO SEND 
THEIR KIDS AND THAT IS PART OF 
THE PROBLEM.
I SHOULD SAY THE PUBLIC 
SERVICE, THERE ARE NO DATES 
ATTACHED TO A RETURN.
IN FACT, MANY PUBLIC SERVANTS 
ARE TOLD DON'T EXPECT TO GET 
BACK INTO YOUR OFFICE IN A 
SUSTAINED WAY.
AT LEAST UNTIL JANUARY.
IT'S INTERESTING.
THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE 
DISCOVERED THAT ARE POSSIBLE 
DURING A PANDEMIC IN TERMS OF 
TELEWORK.
BECAUSE, AS YOU POINT OUT, IF 
THERE IS NO CHILD CARE OR 
SCHOOL, THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY 
OPTION AND EMPLOYERS HAVE TO 
MAKE THAT WORK, TOO.
DAVID, I'LL LET YOU WEIGH IN ON 
THAT, TOO.
>> David: THE NEWSROOM BEHIND 
ME IS NORMALLY PRETTY FULL.
IT IS A GHOST TOWN.
THE MAJOR SHOWS WE DO EVERY DAY 
ARE PRODUCED OUT OF KITCHENS 
AND LIVING ROOMS RATHER THAN IN 
THE CONTROL ROOMS AND THE 
FEDERAL PUBLIC SERVICE IS ONE 
OF THE BIGGEST EMPLOYERS IN THE 
COUNTRY IS NO EXCEPTION TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE 
IN OTTAWA, I HAVE CIVIL 
SERVANTS AS NEIGHBOURS.
AND THERE'S UPS AND DOWNS TO 
THIS WHOLE THING.
RIGHT?
IN TERMS OF LIKE YOU CAN HAVE 
MORE MEETINGS BECAUSE EVERYONE 
IS AVAILABLE.
AND ABLE TO GET ON ZOOM OR AS 
OPPOSED TO HAVING A PHYSICAL 
LIMITATION OF MEETING SPACE 
THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN AN 
OFFICE.
IT IS CAUSING A RETHINK ON THE 
FUTURE OF WORK AND THE FORMER 
C.A.W. ECONOMIST HAS DONE WORK 
ON THIS.
BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND CANADA.
AND THIS IS A BIG 
TRANSFORMATION THAT IS GOING TO 
HAPPEN.
PEOPLE ARE SAYING IF WE'RE 
GOING TO EXPECT PEOPLE TO WORK 
FROM HOME, THAT MEAN THEY DON'T 
NEED TO LIVE IN TORONTO WITH 
THE HOT REAL ESTATE.
THEY CAN LIVE IN A CHEAPER REAL 
ESTATE MARKET AND MAYBE THAT 
MEAN WE CAN PAY THEM A CHEAPER 
SALARY.
THAT IS GOING TO BE QUITE A 
FIGHT.
LOOK, OK, FINE.
MAYBE I CAN LIVE IN A CHEAPER 
HOUSING MARKET, EVEN THOUGH THE 
COMPANY I WORK FOR IS BASED IN 
TORONTO.
BUT YOU SAVE ON RENT AND YOU 
SAVE ON UTILITIES AND INTERNET 
AND YOU SAVE ON MORTGAGE OR 
WHATEVER.
SO THERE IS A BIG CONVERSATION 
AS WE TRY TO GET BACK TO NORMAL 
AND PEOPLE TRY TO CHANGE WHAT 
THEY'RE DOING.
WE'VE SEEN BIG TECH COMPANIES 
LIKE SHOPIFY GOING TO DIGITAL 
BY DEFAULT AND SPEND AGO COUPLE 
THOUSAND DOLLARS AND REDUCE 
THEIR OFFICE FOOTPRINT AND HAVE 
MOST OF THEIR OFFICE WORKFORCE 
WORK FROM HOME.
THE GOVERNMENT MAY BE WILLING 
TO DO THAT SORT OF THING.
IT WILL OBVIOUSLY MOVE SLOWER 
ON THESE ISSUES.
BUT THEY HAVE THE PLAN AND THE 
LACK OF A TIMELINE THAT SPEAKS 
TO HOW FAR AWAY NORMAL 
ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IS.
A LOT OF JOBS ALREADY LOST AND 
A LOT OF COMPANIES ARE GOING 
FAIL BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE 
GOING THROUGH.
WE LIKE THE TALK ABOUT G.D.P..
BOBBY KENNEDY SAID G.D.P. 
MEASURES EVERYTHING EXEMPT THAT 
WHICH MAKES LIFE WORTH WHILE.
A LOT OF THESE SMALLER 
NEIGHBOURHOODS HAVE MADE 
BUSINESSES GOING FORWARD.
THEY'RE ALL JUST GONE.
WH EVEN THE DUST SETTLES THERE 
WILL BE A RECALIBRATION AND 
REBUILDING THAT HAS TO TAKE 
PLACE.
>> Rosemary: I ONLY HAVE A 
MINUTE AND A HALF LEFT FOR BOTH 
OF YOU.
I WANT TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT, IF 
ANYTHING, WE EXPECT ON THE FILE.
WE SAW AN EXPECTED RETALIATION 
IN QUOTES FROM CHINA.
WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS 
ACTUALLY.
SO, JUST QUICKLY BOTH OF YOU 
WHAT YOU EXPECT ON THAT FRONT.
>> Vassy:  I DON'T EXPECT MUCH 
TO CHANGE.
THE PRIME MINISTER WAS CLEAR 
TODAY ON REPEATING WHAT HE SAID 
PRIOR TO THIS.
I THINK THAT CHINA IS 
RESPONDING TO SOMETHING HE SAID 
BEFORE.
THEY SAY IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WILL 
CHANGE THIS GOVERNMENT AND 
THEY'LL GET CRITICISM FROM THE 
OPPOSITION FOR NOT TAKING A 
MORE PUBLIC HARDLINE AGAINST 
CHINA AND I DON'T SEE THEIR 
POSITIONS CHANGING.
>> Rosemary: 20 SECONDS, DAVID.
>> David: IT WILL BE LIKE A 
SWAN GUIDING ACROSS THE POND 
LOOKING CALM AND NORMAL ABOVE 
WORKING FURIOUSLY UNDERNEATH.
NO REAL CHANGE IN THE RHETORIC.
HOPING THE BACKROOM 
NEGOTIATIONS CAN YIELD EFFORTS 
WHILE TRYING TO BUILD AN 
INTERNATIONAL COALITION TO 
PROMOTE CHANGE.
BUT CHINA DOESN'T SEEM TO BE 
AFFECTED BY THIS AT ALL.
>> Rosemary: OK.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COVERAGE.
YOU CAN SEE VASSY LATER AT 5:00 
P.M. EASTERN AND DAVID LATER, 
WHENEVER HE MIGHT POP UP.
ANDREW NICHOLS PICKS UP OUR 
COVERAGE FROM HERE.
SEE YOU BACK HERE TOMORROW
