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Alright today is wisdom 
Alright today is wisdom 
Wednesday so our guest is icon 
Wednesday so our guest is icon 
Doctor Steven Green. what’s 
Doctor Steven Green. what’s 
going on Steven Green. I’m I’m 
going on Steven Green. I’m I’m 
I’m channeling my wisdom here. 
I’m channeling my wisdom here. 
Yes. so uh you know I feel like 
Yes. so uh you know I feel like 
you got 100 spaces. I think I 
you got 100 spaces. I think I 
was speaking at icon Six. Don’t 
was speaking at icon Six. Don’t 
I’d uh I believe so I am I’m 
I’d uh I believe so I am I’m 
like 90%. I’m looking it up 
like 90%. I’m looking it up 
right this second because I 
right this second because I 
think I am but I’m like 90% 
think I am but I’m like 90% 
sure you’re on this. make sure 
sure you’re on this. make sure 
you are are you. So you’re a 
you are are you. So you’re a 
third up in the speaking 
third up in the speaking 
line-up Okay uh creating viral 
line-up Okay uh creating viral 
content for your audience. 
content for your audience. 
That’s right, it was a working 
That’s right, it was a working 
title. uh so hopefully, if 
title. uh so hopefully, if 
that’s what you’re speaking on, 
that’s what you’re speaking on, 
then awesome, if not let me 
then awesome, if not let me 
know and I will get that 
know and I will get that 
working title. Yeah fixed. I’m 
working title. Yeah fixed. I’m 
I’m hold write it down. write 
I’m hold write it down. write 
that down. 
Hang on uh self creating viral 
Hang on uh self creating viral 
content for your audience Love. 
content for your audience Love. 
It’s looking forward to that uh 
It’s looking forward to that uh 
but today we’re talking uh 
but today we’re talking uh 
we’re we’re talking about 
we’re we’re talking about 
podcasting and reaching out to 
podcasting and reaching out to 
an audience that is not of our 
an audience that is not of our 
own generation, our own like 
own generation, our own like 
background and and and etcetera 
background and and and etcetera 
etcetera so um well, first of 
etcetera so um well, first of 
all for anyone who doesn’t know 
all for anyone who doesn’t know 
this, you know, give some 
this, you know, give some 
background on on your business 
background on on your business 
and how you got in the 
and how you got in the 
podcasting. so uh I am a career 
podcasting. so uh I am a career 
educator I’ve been in education 
educator I’ve been in education 
35 years. I have been a teacher 
35 years. I have been a teacher 
I’ve been a college professor. 
I’ve been a college professor. 
I have run a private tutoring 
I have run a private tutoring 
and academic support company, 
and academic support company, 
which is where I presently do. 
which is where I presently do. 
It’s called make the grade 
It’s called make the grade 
hence the name of the podcast 
hence the name of the podcast 
is to make the grade 
is to make the grade 
educational podcast ta da um 
educational podcast ta da um 
the brief history is I was a 
the brief history is I was a 
long-time blogger. I was doing 
long-time blogger. I was doing 
a lot of writing uh topic about 
a lot of writing uh topic about 
what I was, You know 
what I was, You know 
educational stuff study skills 
educational stuff study skills 
maximizing your. Test Prep So 
maximizing your. Test Prep So 
on and so on and what I was 
on and so on and what I was 
trying to do is find ways to 
trying to do is find ways to 
bring the blogs to life. So I 
bring the blogs to life. So I 
started doing videos of me 
started doing videos of me 
essentially kinda reading the 
essentially kinda reading the 
blogs and animating them a 
blogs and animating them a 
little bit, which was a pretty 
little bit, which was a pretty 
natural hand off into the 
natural hand off into the 
podcasting world. so uh that 
podcasting world. so uh that 
that’s the short version of how 
that’s the short version of how 
it happened. So so yes, so you 
it happened. So so yes, so you 
run your own private. Uh you 
run your own private. Uh you 
know paid community right you 
know paid community right you 
have. Yeah membership community 
have. Yeah membership community 
all the community that make the 
all the community that make the 
great success community. Yeah. 
great success community. Yeah. 
So uh you have that you have 
So uh you have that you have 
your own um tutoring you know 
your own um tutoring you know 
students uh client gets clients 
students uh client gets clients 
student clients I it’s called 
student clients I it’s called 
protege protege Yes. yes. 
protege protege Yes. yes. 
That’s all. I like that like 
That’s all. I like that like 
yeah, this is probably the best 
yeah, this is probably the best 
word really. yeah. it’s 
word really. yeah. it’s 
probably the more correct yes 
probably the more correct yes 
more acceptable um. You know so 
more acceptable um. You know so 
when it comes to when it comes 
when it comes to when it comes 
to podcasting like you’re 
to podcasting like you’re 
trying to reach uh I guess a 
trying to reach uh I guess a 
couple different demographics 
couple different demographics 
at once right from maybe 
at once right from maybe 
reaching out to some of the 
reaching out to some of the 
kids that need that you know 
kids that need that you know 
that wanna that self identified 
that wanna that self identified 
to the parents uh that that 
to the parents uh that that 
that identified that they need 
that identified that they need 
you know help um and you’re 
you know help um and you’re 
you’re also running a 
you’re also running a 
conference too soon. Yeah. 
conference too soon. Yeah. 
Yeah. I’m I’m not as busy as 
Yeah. I’m I’m not as busy as 
you but I’m pretty busy. uh you 
you but I’m pretty busy. uh you 
are to come on in you are. Over 
are to come on in you are. Over 
here uh here’s my challenge and 
here uh here’s my challenge and 
I imagine other businesses have 
I imagine other businesses have 
this is I where I provide my 
this is I where I provide my 
actual deliverable service in 
actual deliverable service in 
some cases is not the same as 
some cases is not the same as 
the people who pay for the 
the people who pay for the 
service so specifically I need 
service so specifically I need 
to market to the parents, but 
to market to the parents, but 
I’m delivering the service more 
I’m delivering the service more 
directly to the children and 
directly to the children and 
not 4 years old that typically 
not 4 years old that typically 
my demographic is fifth sixth 
my demographic is fifth sixth 
graders up to college students 
graders up to college students 
so typically 10 years. And 
so typically 10 years. And 
older uh but in the eleven 
older uh but in the eleven 
year-old isn’t gonna seek out 
year-old isn’t gonna seek out 
or or or have the wherewithal 
or or or have the wherewithal 
to hire somebody like me so the 
to hire somebody like me so the 
marketing essentially goes to 
marketing essentially goes to 
the parents, the service 
the parents, the service 
delivery often goes to the 
delivery often goes to the 
children. so it’s not a 
children. so it’s not a 
disconnect, but it creates 
disconnect, but it creates 
almost like two things you have 
almost like two things you have 
to do most of the information 
to do most of the information 
in my podcast uh VV the blogs 
in my podcast uh VV the blogs 
is not sales at all. It’s 
is not sales at all. It’s 
information so I’ve always 
information so I’ve always 
come. School thought of lead 
come. School thought of lead 
with quality content so you 
with quality content so you 
position yourself as some 
position yourself as some 
amount of expert in your field 
amount of expert in your field 
and expert in your topic so 
and expert in your topic so 
when the need arises hopefully 
when the need arises hopefully 
I’m friend of mine or close to 
I’m friend of mine or close to 
friend of mine to provide the 
friend of mine to provide the 
service uh so it’s a long game 
service uh so it’s a long game 
uh the podcast plays 
uh the podcast plays 
beautifully into that and the 
beautifully into that and the 
main reason is because it’s 
main reason is because it’s 
evergreen material uh every 
evergreen material uh every 
once in a while. uh what what 
once in a while. uh what what 
happens? Is uh I’ll have a 
happens? Is uh I’ll have a 
conversation with the parent 
conversation with the parent 
and I’m in I think I’m in my 
and I’m in I think I’m in my 
next podcast is episode 85. So 
next podcast is episode 85. So 
in about a year I’ve I’ve got 
in about a year I’ve I’ve got 
Eighty-four published um but 
Eighty-four published um but 
pretty much all the things 
pretty much all the things 
cycle. I’ve covered for more or 
cycle. I’ve covered for more or 
less everything I need to talk 
less everything I need to talk 
about in education at least 
about in education at least 
once so, in other words, let’s 
once so, in other words, let’s 
say you call me. I’ll pay 
say you call me. I’ll pay 
Steve. you know my kids are 
Steve. you know my kids are 
having trouble with XYZ. We can 
having trouble with XYZ. We can 
have a conversation about it 
have a conversation about it 
and said. Listen, you know what 
and said. Listen, you know what 
really help you should I would 
really help you should I would 
refer you. A link to my podcast 
refer you. A link to my podcast 
episode thirty-five, which is 
episode thirty-five, which is 
where I spend a little bit of 
where I spend a little bit of 
time. dive deeper into this um, 
time. dive deeper into this um, 
and that’s one of the ways I’ve 
and that’s one of the ways I’ve 
built up the following and the 
built up the following and the 
subscriber rule is just by 
subscriber rule is just by 
direct. now. Of course, it’s 
direct. now. Of course, it’s 
not the fastest way to you 
not the fastest way to you 
know, build a following and you 
know, build a following and you 
know go viral. but what it does 
know go viral. but what it does 
is and it’s accomplished 
is and it’s accomplished 
successfully is it’s a 
successfully is it’s a 
credibility peace so people say 
credibility peace so people say 
hey when you put this out and I 
hey when you put this out and I 
put it out last year, Oh well, 
put it out last year, Oh well, 
you’re not like somebody just 
you’re not like somebody just 
jumped into this yesterday uh 
jumped into this yesterday uh 
so it. It enables that to 
so it. It enables that to 
happen plus it’s just it gives 
happen plus it’s just it gives 
you content base right. I mean 
you content base right. I mean 
a lot of people doing what we 
a lot of people doing what we 
do create big broad macro sort 
do create big broad macro sort 
of content and then we take it 
of content and then we take it 
and we slice it down and we 
and we slice it down and we 
repurpose it all kinds of ways 
repurpose it all kinds of ways 
um so the podcast the blog are 
um so the podcast the blog are 
a source of 32nd. video clips, 
a source of 32nd. video clips, 
thirty-second audio clips uh 
thirty-second audio clips uh 
memes. I never quite understood 
memes. I never quite understood 
what that word meant but me. 
what that word meant but me. 
It’s all about all about okay 
It’s all about all about okay 
like want at least I assume 
like want at least I assume 
that’s what it means I don’t 
that’s what it means I don’t 
know, but you know like like a 
know, but you know like like a 
little quote box or something 
little quote box or something 
you know like you know, Hey, 
you know like you know, Hey, 
you know, quote from episode 
you know, quote from episode 
seventy-eight of the big three 
seventy-eight of the big three 
podcast that would have you uh 
podcast that would have you uh 
but that’s that’s really where 
but that’s that’s really where 
it comes from. you know. I’m 
it comes from. you know. I’m 
not gonna tell you I’m the 
not gonna tell you I’m the 
world’s most technical person. 
world’s most technical person. 
I’m not the world’s most 
I’m not the world’s most 
cutting-edge, although I’m a 
cutting-edge, although I’m a 
gadget guy. so you know I do. I 
gadget guy. so you know I do. I 
got a nice mic and yeah, I 
got a nice mic and yeah, I 
think you can identify with 
think you can identify with 
that too. So um guys you guys 
that too. So um guys you guys 
are the. And women unite, but 
are the. And women unite, but 
uh so I do like it to sound 
uh so I do like it to sound 
good. I do like the processing 
good. I do like the processing 
and the production to be 
and the production to be 
quality, but I’m not really 
quality, but I’m not really 
super overly concerned about 
super overly concerned about 
scripting it or things of that 
scripting it or things of that 
nature. It’s it’s just me 
nature. It’s it’s just me 
talking about what I’m 
talking about what I’m 
comfortable talking about cuz 
comfortable talking about cuz 
I’ve done it for so long that 
I’ve done it for so long that 
it’s kinda of second nature uh 
it’s kinda of second nature uh 
but to kinda get back to the 
but to kinda get back to the 
original point is I’m trying to 
original point is I’m trying to 
produce content that thing’s 
produce content that thing’s 
gonna appeal to the parents. 
gonna appeal to the parents. 
Now, in my case, which is sort 
Now, in my case, which is sort 
of what we led in with is a 
of what we led in with is a 
lot, these parents are 2530 
lot, these parents are 2530 
years younger than me uh twenty 
years younger than me uh twenty 
for sure and that’s enough to 
for sure and that’s enough to 
be almost a completely 
be almost a completely 
different generation. These are 
different generation. These are 
all very phone based uh you 
all very phone based uh you 
know they’re doing everything 
know they’re doing everything 
you know listening on the phone 
you know listening on the phone 
doing stuff on the phone 
doing stuff on the phone 
looking stuff off on the phone, 
looking stuff off on the phone, 
which isn’t what I was kinda 
which isn’t what I was kinda 
cut my teeth in so to speak um 
cut my teeth in so to speak um 
so I’ve had to learn how to 
so I’ve had to learn how to 
deal with that not in a 
deal with that not in a 
negative way. Just you know 
negative way. Just you know 
from a point of fact. Of being 
from a point of fact. Of being 
able to do business in a 
able to do business in a 
digital world right now for 
digital world right now for 
I’ve had some good mentors. uh 
I’ve had some good mentors. uh 
self included. I appreciate 
self included. I appreciate 
that so it isn’t I can’t. I’m 
that so it isn’t I can’t. I’m 
not here to tell you people if 
not here to tell you people if 
you really wanna get good at 
you really wanna get good at 
this, don’t try to figure it 
this, don’t try to figure it 
out on your own. I mean if 
out on your own. I mean if 
you’re asking for advice, you 
you’re asking for advice, you 
go to people that you know can 
go to people that you know can 
teach you and help you cuz it’s 
teach you and help you cuz it’s 
a shortcut to such a degree. I 
a shortcut to such a degree. I 
mean a year when was icon five, 
mean a year when was icon five, 
It was that was a year ago. It 
It was that was a year ago. It 
was like September 10th 
was like September 10th 
eleventh I thought that. Yeah. 
eleventh I thought that. Yeah. 
yeah. So I walked into that 
yeah. So I walked into that 
room in Atlantic City and and 
room in Atlantic City and and 
and get lost in the hotel. 
and get lost in the hotel. 
That’s another story. Uh oh, 
That’s another story. Uh oh, 
yeah everybody else there. Um I 
yeah everybody else there. Um I 
really don’t know what I was 
really don’t know what I was 
doing in terms of the 
doing in terms of the 
podcasting world. There were 
podcasting world. There were 
people there like in the 
people there like in the 
podcasting Hall of Fame and had 
podcasting Hall of Fame and had 
48000 followers and gazillion 
48000 followers and gazillion 
downloads and II. don’t wanna 
downloads and II. don’t wanna 
say it was intimidating but it 
say it was intimidating but it 
was. I was clear that there 
was. I was clear that there 
were levels way beyond where I 
were levels way beyond where I 
was um in terms being prolific. 
was um in terms being prolific. 
Being professional and being 
Being professional and being 
your messaging and even your 
your messaging and even your 
intro, the one I gave a talk. 
intro, the one I gave a talk. 
it really hit home with me on 
it really hit home with me on 
your intro. You know are you 
your intro. You know are you 
gonna waste the first 45 
gonna waste the first 45 
seconds of your podcast, just 
seconds of your podcast, just 
having a bunch of music that 
having a bunch of music that 
people may not care about. so I 
people may not care about. so I 
mean in my case, you know I 
mean in my case, you know I 
think it’s about 4 seconds but 
think it’s about 4 seconds but 
before I start coming in 5 
before I start coming in 5 
seconds, but my point is that 
seconds, but my point is that 
it’s I didn’t even think about 
it’s I didn’t even think about 
it. It was like I was like I 
it. It was like I was like I 
was just when I started doing 
was just when I started doing 
the podcast. all I thought 
the podcast. all I thought 
about was. Like all, I was 
about was. Like all, I was 
thinking about was a 
thinking about was a 
deliverable. What’s the point? 
deliverable. What’s the point? 
what’s the message is what I’m 
what’s the message is what I’m 
really trying to educate teach 
really trying to educate teach 
people uh through this one well 
people uh through this one well 
a unilateral but a conversation 
a unilateral but a conversation 
sort of and people start to 
sort of and people start to 
bring up all these ideas. You 
bring up all these ideas. You 
know what’s your intro? What’s 
know what’s your intro? What’s 
your? what’s your pacing? You 
your? what’s your pacing? You 
know. Do you vary your voice. 
know. Do you vary your voice. 
It gets off and loud you get 
It gets off and loud you get 
excited. You’re gonna I mean I 
excited. You’re gonna I mean I 
just like I don’t know it’s 
just like I don’t know it’s 
never thought about it. so um 
never thought about it. so um 
but. You learn as you go, but 
but. You learn as you go, but 
but you accelerate that 
but you accelerate that 
tremendously by getting in 
tremendously by getting in 
place and and counsel from 
place and and counsel from 
people that are much more 
people that are much more 
experience than you. so it’s 
experience than you. so it’s 
kind of a plug for iconic, but 
kind of a plug for iconic, but 
it’s really a plug for 
it’s really a plug for 
listening and seeking out 
listening and seeking out 
people that uh that are 
people that uh that are 
mentors. you know it can help 
mentors. you know it can help 
you are willing to help you so 
you are willing to help you so 
I think finding the ones that 
I think finding the ones that 
that you identify with too uh 
that you identify with too uh 
is really is really important 
is really is really important 
right cuz that’s who you’re 
right cuz that’s who you’re 
gonna wanna listen to not just 
gonna wanna listen to not just 
like. Oh he’s you know this. It 
like. Oh he’s you know this. It 
is like the greatest blah blah 
is like the greatest blah blah 
blah blah blah with the 
blah blah blah with the 
podcast, but like the podcast 
podcast, but like the podcast 
is about something that is like 
is about something that is like 
so not you or in your realm of 
so not you or in your realm of 
like caring that you know and 
like caring that you know and 
and the way they talk in the 
and the way they talk in the 
way they teach is not in it. 
way they teach is not in it. 
It’s just not in line with you, 
It’s just not in line with you, 
so you tend to not wanna listen 
so you tend to not wanna listen 
so you know it creates a bigger 
so you know it creates a bigger 
issue there Yeah and there’s 
issue there Yeah and there’s 
there’s no thing I’ve learned 
there’s no thing I’ve learned 
is it’s really like. Power 
is it’s really like. Power 
important to understand what 
important to understand what 
your audience wants. Yeah, you 
your audience wants. Yeah, you 
know. I’m sure there’s really 
know. I’m sure there’s really 
good podcast. That’s super well 
good podcast. That’s super well 
produced have tremendously 
produced have tremendously 
great content that don’t get 
great content that don’t get 
listen to very much because 
listen to very much because 
they’re not they’re not they’re 
they’re not they’re not they’re 
off base with what the person 
off base with what the person 
who’s producing them uh is 
who’s producing them uh is 
delivering to the people that 
delivering to the people that 
wanna hear it right um and 
wanna hear it right um and 
that’s not you know like the 
that’s not you know like the 
worst thing that can happen in 
worst thing that can happen in 
the world, but if you’re gonna 
the world, but if you’re gonna 
put all that effort in so I 
put all that effort in so I 
know I’ve spoken about this A 
know I’ve spoken about this A 
lot of these things is I do a 
lot of these things is I do a 
lot of polling in my community. 
lot of polling in my community. 
I just ask. Straight up, you 
I just ask. Straight up, you 
know what do you wanna hear 
know what do you wanna hear 
about? what’s what’s on your 
about? what’s what’s on your 
mind? What what’s concerning 
mind? What what’s concerning 
you uh and you know that’s been 
you uh and you know that’s been 
the source probably half of my 
the source probably half of my 
content now hasn’t been hard in 
content now hasn’t been hard in 
the last 5 months. uh you know 
the last 5 months. uh you know 
because of what’s been going on 
because of what’s been going on 
the whole meltdown of the of 
the whole meltdown of the of 
the Western hemisphere, but 
the Western hemisphere, but 
it’s he education and a 
it’s he education and a 
particularly odd way. Um I mean 
particularly odd way. Um I mean 
there’s obviously I don’t want 
there’s obviously I don’t want 
to get political at all, but 
to get political at all, but 
you know the Hulk Hogan thing 
you know the Hulk Hogan thing 
is you know his hit economics. 
is you know his hit economics. 
It’s it just home life and. To 
It’s it just home life and. To 
a major part of that because 
a major part of that because 
you got people parents who 
you got people parents who 
basically had to become 
basically had to become 
teachers without any notice, 
teachers without any notice, 
any warning and tell them just 
any warning and tell them just 
didn’t wanna do it, they 
didn’t wanna do it, they 
struggled and and so that 
struggled and and so that 
created huge amount of content 
created huge amount of content 
I did a whole series of live 
I did a whole series of live 
streams that are much of them 
streams that are much of them 
became podcast just don’t try 
became podcast just don’t try 
to help people just to create 
to help people just to create 
structure in in their learning 
structure in in their learning 
environment at home. Uh for 
environment at home. Uh for 
weeks, I mean I did like 
weeks, I mean I did like 
fourteen of them over seven or 
fourteen of them over seven or 
8 weeks uh. And and then that 
8 weeks uh. And and then that 
led to products I created I 
led to products I created I 
actually created digital 
actually created digital 
products that I was marketing 
products that I was marketing 
that people are still buying to 
that people are still buying to 
solve these problems so people 
solve these problems so people 
come to me and say hey, I don’t 
come to me and say hey, I don’t 
know what to do you know I’m 
know what to do you know I’m 
trying to do my job right. I’m 
trying to do my job right. I’m 
I’m whatever I’m not a 
I’m whatever I’m not a 
salesperson accountant where 
salesperson accountant where 
I’m at my desk. my kids over 
I’m at my desk. my kids over 
here, screaming yelling cuz 
here, screaming yelling cuz 
they’re tired of sitting in the 
they’re tired of sitting in the 
computer after 4 hours, I can’t 
computer after 4 hours, I can’t 
get anything done my bosses on 
get anything done my bosses on 
my back, It was a whole giant 
my back, It was a whole giant 
ripple effect so it wasn’t. To 
ripple effect so it wasn’t. To 
ask people to know that was an 
ask people to know that was an 
issue, but what I was trying to 
issue, but what I was trying to 
do is get the micro pieces of 
do is get the micro pieces of 
it like what were the 
it like what were the 
solutions? What was gonna help 
solutions? What was gonna help 
people solve these problems and 
people solve these problems and 
be a provider of solutions, not 
be a provider of solutions, not 
just somebody who was 
just somebody who was 
restating. I’m not really the 
restating. I’m not really the 
obvious but kind of the obvious 
obvious but kind of the obvious 
of what the problem was right 
of what the problem was right 
right right? You know what I 
right right? You know what I 
mean, and I think I think you 
mean, and I think I think you 
know if if if the question here 
know if if if the question here 
is you know you’re starting a 
is you know you’re starting a 
podcast or your newer podcaster 
podcast or your newer podcaster 
trying to pick a. Or refining 
trying to pick a. Or refining 
your topic or maybe your topic 
your topic or maybe your topic 
drifts over time. Um I think 
drifts over time. Um I think 
being responsive and in touch 
being responsive and in touch 
with your audience, I at least 
with your audience, I at least 
in my case has really been a 
in my case has really been a 
game changer I would even take 
game changer I would even take 
it to that extreme. Um I think 
it to that extreme. Um I think 
it also depends and I’m not 
it also depends and I’m not 
sure how you feel about this 
sure how you feel about this 
job, but I think it depends 
job, but I think it depends 
which what the purpose of your 
which what the purpose of your 
podcast is. I mean as you 
podcast is. I mean as you 
mentioned my, you know the I 
mentioned my, you know the I 
don’t really monetize my 
don’t really monetize my 
podcast. I have a few sponsors 
podcast. I have a few sponsors 
um so it. It’s better than 
um so it. It’s better than 
break even a little bit, but I 
break even a little bit, but I 
really use the podcast to build 
really use the podcast to build 
credibility and to build up a 
credibility and to build up a 
brand and my own brand. So then 
brand and my own brand. So then 
when I could go to try to sell 
when I could go to try to sell 
people, my products and my 
people, my products and my 
membership community The 
membership community The 
resistance point is hopefully 
resistance point is hopefully 
none um and it works, but it 
none um and it works, but it 
takes time. It’s a slow. it’s a 
takes time. It’s a slow. it’s a 
slow long process. Um yeah, 
slow long process. Um yeah, 
yeah. Well, I like you said 
yeah. Well, I like you said 
earlier, like when you you know 
earlier, like when you you know 
when people ask like, Oh how 
when people ask like, Oh how 
long have you been? you know 
long have you been? you know 
how long is the podcast has 
how long is the podcast has 
been around for you like a year 
been around for you like a year 
or 2 years or 5 years or 
or 2 years or 5 years or 
something it’s. Well, 
something it’s. Well, 
obviously, you’re not going 
obviously, you’re not going 
away anytime soon right and 
away anytime soon right and 
you’re more committed, you’re 
you’re more committed, you’re 
showing that level of 
showing that level of 
commitment to what you’re doing 
commitment to what you’re doing 
right. It’s not like no. I did 
right. It’s not like no. I did 
this podcast. I did this type 
this podcast. I did this type 
of podcast and blah blah blah 
of podcast and blah blah blah 
like right down the line right. 
like right down the line right. 
It’s it’s like here’s this is 
It’s it’s like here’s this is 
what I do and here’s the 
what I do and here’s the 
podcast and here’s the proof 
podcast and here’s the proof 
and here’s you know you can 
and here’s you know you can 
dive in and start learning uh 
dive in and start learning uh 
bit by bit by bit right there 
bit by bit by bit right there 
and there’s you know then 
and there’s you know then 
there’s proof for it. I’ll tell 
there’s proof for it. I’ll tell 
you something interesting. I’m 
you something interesting. I’m 
a numbers guy and I’m I’m 
a numbers guy and I’m I’m 
analytics guy. What are they? 
analytics guy. What are they? 
what do they call it in 
what do they call it in 
baseball? The uh I don’t know 
baseball? The uh I don’t know 
uh uh well the money ball thing 
uh uh well the money ball thing 
the money. Yeah. So okay just 
the money. Yeah. So okay just 
to sort of throw this up I 
to sort of throw this up I 
could take a blog and literally 
could take a blog and literally 
read it as a podcast and take 
read it as a podcast and take 
that and put it as a video. and 
that and put it as a video. and 
now you’ve got almost identical 
now you’ve got almost identical 
content in three very different 
content in three very different 
platforms right Yup. Ninety 95% 
platforms right Yup. Ninety 95% 
of the time you wanna guess, 
of the time you wanna guess, 
which one gets the most 
which one gets the most 
engagement uh the video. Yeah 
engagement uh the video. Yeah 
the video right. Yeah now, 
the video right. Yeah now, 
that’s probably the same for 
that’s probably the same for 
you cuz you’re you know you’re 
you cuz you’re you know you’re 
super strong with video too The 
super strong with video too The 
engagement part. Yeah, I mean, 
engagement part. Yeah, I mean, 
podcasting just record and put 
podcasting just record and put 
it out there. It’s almost like 
it out there. It’s almost like 
speaking to avoid even if you 
speaking to avoid even if you 
know you have lots of people 
know you have lots of people 
listening cuz unless they’re 
listening cuz unless they’re 
sending you lots of emails 
sending you lots of emails 
right in the community of some 
right in the community of some 
sort like it’s not. It’s not 
sort like it’s not. It’s not 
instantaneous like right now, 
instantaneous like right now, 
but I. It’s because YouTube’s 
but I. It’s because YouTube’s 
the search engine you know, I’m 
the search engine you know, I’m 
sure there’s reasons beyond the 
sure there’s reasons beyond the 
content. You know they’ll go 
content. You know they’ll go 
beyond like what I’m actually 
beyond like what I’m actually 
talking about um but just 
talking about um but just 
apples to apples. it’s about 
apples to apples. it’s about 
twenty-five to 30% more 
twenty-five to 30% more 
engagement on video than it is 
engagement on video than it is 
in the audio and the they’re 
in the audio and the they’re 
ten times more than the written 
ten times more than the written 
you know, I mean, nobody’s I 
you know, I mean, nobody’s I 
was a nobody, but you know 
was a nobody, but you know 
vlogs just don’t interest 
vlogs just don’t interest 
people that much there’s. Some 
people that much there’s. Some 
comments that they used to get 
comments that they used to get 
um and they can’t in some 
um and they can’t in some 
sites. Do it depends on what 
sites. Do it depends on what 
their foster right? So like 
their foster right? So like 
I’ve thought about that? Um you 
I’ve thought about that? Um you 
know even like with the in the 
know even like with the in the 
in the pod University like do I 
in the pod University like do I 
continue to you know, is it 
continue to you know, is it 
should it be in Facebook should 
should it be in Facebook should 
be a Facebook group or should I 
be a Facebook group or should I 
just open up a form on the 
just open up a form on the 
indie Podcasters.com website 
indie Podcasters.com website 
and and enable that to be the 
and and enable that to be the 
driving force for the 
driving force for the 
university questions and you 
university questions and you 
know, weekly videos and stuff. 
You know, I don’t know I think 
You know, I don’t know I think 
it depends. I think the next 
it depends. I think the next 
couple of months could be super 
couple of months could be super 
pivotal for Facebook uh given 
pivotal for Facebook uh given 
that they just made a bunch of 
that they just made a bunch of 
people mad that they uh with 
people mad that they uh with 
that new rule change that’s 
that new rule change that’s 
coming up in October about them 
coming up in October about them 
potentially just taking 
potentially just taking 
people’s stuff down content 
people’s stuff down content 
down if they don’t agree with 
down if they don’t agree with 
it basically or they feel that 
it basically or they feel that 
it’s it creates a potential 
it’s it creates a potential 
problem for them legal problem 
problem for them legal problem 
for them. So what that means I 
for them. So what that means I 
don’t know, but what I do know 
don’t know, but what I do know 
is that if a bunch of people 
is that if a bunch of people 
start leaving Facebook, it 
start leaving Facebook, it 
could start to be a landslide 
could start to be a landslide 
effect over time um and And at 
effect over time um and And at 
that point, like I’m ready to 
that point, like I’m ready to 
just throw like I’ll throw up, 
just throw like I’ll throw up, 
I assume like WordPress BS is 
I assume like WordPress BS is 
still a thing so like I can 
still a thing so like I can 
integrate a form right into our 
integrate a form right into our 
uh into our site and boom like 
uh into our site and boom like 
we’re ready to rock and roll. I 
we’re ready to rock and roll. I 
look like I don’t I don’t need 
look like I don’t I don’t need 
Facebook necessarily, but that 
Facebook necessarily, but that 
doesn’t mean that everybody’s 
doesn’t mean that everybody’s 
gonna go to the site to like 
gonna go to the site to like 
post and it’s not you know out 
post and it’s not you know out 
of sight out of mind kind of 
of sight out of mind kind of 
thing. So uh yeah. Well, I 
thing. So uh yeah. Well, I 
think II guess it depends on 
think II guess it depends on 
what the goal is is the goal is 
what the goal is is the goal is 
engagement you wanna form that 
engagement you wanna form that 
makes it easier for people to 
makes it easier for people to 
engage right if the goal is 
engage right if the goal is 
just throw it out there and 
just throw it out there and 
just have volume if I guess 
just have volume if I guess 
you’re less concerned about 
you’re less concerned about 
that. but in my case. Um my 
that. but in my case. Um my 
demographic my client avatar my 
demographic my client avatar my 
ideal client profile, whatever 
ideal client profile, whatever 
whatever buzzword you wanna use 
whatever buzzword you wanna use 
for that basically is on 
for that basically is on 
Facebook and Instagram. That’s 
Facebook and Instagram. That’s 
just typically where they are. 
just typically where they are. 
You know the the typically 
You know the the typically 
mothers of children, maybe 
mothers of children, maybe 
maybe super late 20s young 30s 
maybe super late 20s young 30s 
into the late 40s, which is 
into the late 40s, which is 
essentially people have 
essentially people have 
attended 20 year old children. 
attended 20 year old children. 
That’s where they are at least 
That’s where they are at least 
now and then they’re not on 
now and then they’re not on 
Facebook post and stuff about 
Facebook post and stuff about 
you know some radical 
you know some radical 
conspiracy theory. they’re 
conspiracy theory. they’re 
they’re you know they’re 
they’re you know they’re 
they’re they’re. As a social 
they’re they’re. As a social 
platform, typically right so 
platform, typically right so 
I’m not as concerned about you 
I’m not as concerned about you 
know, sort of the radical 
know, sort of the radical 
fringe piece of that as I think 
fringe piece of that as I think 
Facebook is in the political 
Facebook is in the political 
year election year um but II, 
year election year um but II, 
my view is this um we important 
my view is this um we important 
in business. Forget podcasting. 
in business. Forget podcasting. 
It’s important in business to 
It’s important in business to 
be to have foresight right um 
be to have foresight right um 
you know I I’m just sick here 
you know I I’m just sick here 
and the word pivot, but I’m 
and the word pivot, but I’m 
gonna have to use it here. Have 
gonna have to use it here. Have 
to be able to pivot when your 
to be able to pivot when your 
environment around you changes 
environment around you changes 
right like in my case, I always 
right like in my case, I always 
did online tutoring. I was 
did online tutoring. I was 
somewhat of a pioneer in it. I 
somewhat of a pioneer in it. I 
was doing an AOL. Oh, wow. Yeah 
was doing an AOL. Oh, wow. Yeah 
is that even a thing right 
is that even a thing right 
right? I’m just saying I was 
right? I’m just saying I was 
doing a bra on a dialogue. It 
doing a bra on a dialogue. It 
wasn’t that easy to do, but I’m 
wasn’t that easy to do, but I’m 
just saying I didn’t jump in 
just saying I didn’t jump in 
the virtual tutoring April 1st 
the virtual tutoring April 1st 
when a lot of other people did 
when a lot of other people did 
um but now if you’re not doing 
um but now if you’re not doing 
online delivery in some way. 
online delivery in some way. 
You’re really getting left 
You’re really getting left 
behind, so a lot of people are 
behind, so a lot of people are 
playing catch up with that uh 
playing catch up with that uh 
but that’s business. you know 
but that’s business. you know 
that’s just being aware of 
that’s just being aware of 
what’s going on and and being 
what’s going on and and being 
somewhat agile and being 
somewhat agile and being 
willing to to to deal with sort 
willing to to to deal with sort 
of the realities of what are 
of the realities of what are 
happening in your industry and 
happening in your industry and 
in in your in your world. um I 
in in your in your world. um I 
think there are some things 
think there are some things 
where people can look at these 
where people can look at these 
things and see them coming and 
things and see them coming and 
sometimes they just kind of 
sometimes they just kind of 
broad side you a little bit um 
broad side you a little bit um 
which I think. Why it’s 
which I think. Why it’s 
important at least in my 
important at least in my 
inexperienced opinion to be on 
inexperienced opinion to be on 
multiple platforms. So let’s 
multiple platforms. So let’s 
just say Facebook blew up 
just say Facebook blew up 
tomorrow. I’ve still got 
tomorrow. I’ve still got 
YouTube, but I still got my 
YouTube, but I still got my 
WordPress site and on my 
WordPress site and on my 
website um so got other things 
website um so got other things 
going on and different pieces 
going on and different pieces 
of your demographic gonna hang 
of your demographic gonna hang 
out in different pieces in 
out in different pieces in 
different places. Um I guess 
different places. Um I guess 
the the Holy Grail of what I do 
the the Holy Grail of what I do 
and I think what you do agree 
and I think what you do agree 
for sure is getting. People to 
for sure is getting. People to 
become trumpets what I do right 
become trumpets what I do right 
like what I want is, people 
like what I want is, people 
say. Well, I read this blog or 
say. Well, I read this blog or 
well. I listen to this podcast. 
well. I listen to this podcast. 
It was so awesome and now 
It was so awesome and now 
they’re telling all their 
they’re telling all their 
friends about it cuz in my in 
friends about it cuz in my in 
my situation, I’ll throw this 
my situation, I’ll throw this 
out there. Where do you think 
out there. Where do you think 
the most common place or at 
the most common place or at 
least normal speaking people 
least normal speaking people 
are gonna listen to my 
are gonna listen to my 
educational podcast where 
educational podcast where 
they’re gonna listen to your. 
they’re gonna listen to your. 
Yeah. Where’s the most common 
Yeah. Where’s the most common 
place Now. I know this from 
place Now. I know this from 
polling people II. just how 
polling people II. just how 
you’re driving in the car Yes 
you’re driving in the car Yes 
or. At one, that’s that was 
or. At one, that’s that was 
actually two guess what one 
actually two guess what one 
well now that’s uh probably 
well now that’s uh probably 
mowing the lawn right now. No. 
mowing the lawn right now. No. 
no. no no. no no sink back into 
no. no no. no no sink back into 
like let’s say flashback to say 
like let’s say flashback to say 
February. No. no no. so you got 
February. No. no no. so you got 
a 9 year old kid. What do you 
a 9 year old kid. What do you 
typically do after school you 
typically do after school you 
drive the karate you drive them 
drive the karate you drive them 
to gymnastics you drive to 
to gymnastics you drive to 
dance. he drive to be driving a 
dance. he drive to be driving a 
guitar lessons he drive or 
guitar lessons he drive or 
whatever, and I said I did this 
whatever, and I said I did this 
for years as a parent and and 
for years as a parent and and 
you’re kind of coming to that. 
you’re kind of coming to that. 
we’ll get there so you let me 
we’ll get there so you let me 
let me predict your future. get 
let me predict your future. get 
back to normal. Here’s what 
back to normal. Here’s what 
happens right. Drive somewhere 
happens right. Drive somewhere 
where they have a 30 minute 
where they have a 30 minute 
lesson, okay or 40 minute 
lesson, okay or 40 minute 
lesson and you live 15 minutes 
lesson and you live 15 minutes 
away. so if you do the math 
away. so if you do the math 
right, it doesn’t make any 
right, it doesn’t make any 
sense so either you’re hurting 
sense so either you’re hurting 
my laptop at that point. 
my laptop at that point. 
exactly you find an ER to do 
exactly you find an ER to do 
right around where the art 
right around where the art 
school musical fill in the 
school musical fill in the 
blank is and there’s if you’re 
blank is and there’s if you’re 
a parent if anybody’s a parent. 
a parent if anybody’s a parent. 
listen, they’re going. Yeah you 
listen, they’re going. Yeah you 
Steve um and or you just sit 
Steve um and or you just sit 
there in the waiting room, 
there in the waiting room, 
whatever talking to the other 
whatever talking to the other 
moms and dads. So what I’m 
moms and dads. So what I’m 
getting a lot of is the parents 
getting a lot of is the parents 
are sitting in the car either 
are sitting in the car either 
on their phone. Nowadays, you 
on their phone. Nowadays, you 
know with the Bluetooth you 
know with the Bluetooth you 
plug in the listen and you know 
plug in the listen and you know 
you’re listening in your car. 
you’re listening in your car. 
come off the phone. That’s 
come off the phone. That’s 
where I get my biggest 
where I get my biggest 
listenership is people who used 
listenership is people who used 
to be stuck in waiting rooms. 
to be stuck in waiting rooms. 
parking lots driving errands 
parking lots driving errands 
while their kids are one kid or 
while their kids are one kid or 
two kids were in their 
two kids were in their 
activities shuffle in between 
activities shuffle in between 
them so to a degree I tell or 
them so to a degree I tell or 
the podcast for that uh 
the podcast for that uh 
listening parameter right so my 
listening parameter right so my 
podcast for. Nine to 12 
podcast for. Nine to 12 
minutes, occasionally I’ll go 
minutes, occasionally I’ll go 
over occasionally less, but 
over occasionally less, but 
typically I shoot for about ten 
typically I shoot for about ten 
why cuz that’s about the amount 
why cuz that’s about the amount 
of time not an attention span, 
of time not an attention span, 
but the amount of time 
but the amount of time 
literally they have to listen 
literally they have to listen 
right and they don’t want to 
right and they don’t want to 
like I hate picking up podcast 
like I hate picking up podcast 
in the middle of where I was 
in the middle of where I was 
well, you did there. I’ve never 
well, you did there. I’ve never 
actually pulled this question 
actually pulled this question 
like if you get 8 minutes in 
like if you get 8 minutes in 
you got 3 minutes left. Do you 
you got 3 minutes left. Do you 
even bother go back and listen 
even bother go back and listen 
II? don’t know I just say I do 
II? don’t know I just say I do 
usually what I’ll do is I’ll 
usually what I’ll do is I’ll 
hit the rewind button like two 
hit the rewind button like two 
or three times like go back 
or three times like go back 
forty. Just so I can like 
forty. Just so I can like 
refresh and where I was uh but 
refresh and where I was uh but 
generally speaking, I don’t 
generally speaking, I don’t 
like to do that. I just do it 
like to do that. I just do it 
because I kinda lose the. It’s 
because I kinda lose the. It’s 
like it’s like coming into a 
like it’s like coming into a 
movie two thirds of the yeah. 
movie two thirds of the yeah. 
You know you don’t get to build 
You know you don’t get to build 
up. you don’t have like the 
up. you don’t have like the 
whole sort of five so to some 
whole sort of five so to some 
degree, it hasn’t change my 
degree, it hasn’t change my 
content and it really hasn’t 
content and it really hasn’t 
change my delivery as on audio 
change my delivery as on audio 
and stuff as I’m doing it. but 
and stuff as I’m doing it. but 
it’s it’s it’s I’m trying to 
it’s it’s it’s I’m trying to 
stay really on point. Here’s 
stay really on point. Here’s 
what it’s classic teaching 
what it’s classic teaching 
protocol. Here’s what I’m gonna 
protocol. Here’s what I’m gonna 
tell you let me tell it to you. 
tell you let me tell it to you. 
What I just told you see you 
What I just told you see you 
next week. Uh I mean and and 
next week. Uh I mean and and 
obviously that works cuz that’s 
obviously that works cuz that’s 
why they do it in schools 
why they do it in schools 
right. That’s why it’s a thing. 
right. That’s why it’s a thing. 
uh it’s a it’s a process. yes 
uh it’s a it’s a process. yes 
um socratic method. It’s 
um socratic method. It’s 
actually yeah. it’s actually 
actually yeah. it’s actually 
yeah. Yeah. No. I mean. I think 
yeah. Yeah. No. I mean. I think 
all that’s great and I mean 
all that’s great and I mean 
it’s definitely more that we 
it’s definitely more that we 
could dive into into there and 
could dive into into there and 
uh what you know what what 
uh what you know what what 
message do you have for 
message do you have for 
anybody? Who’s uh trying to 
anybody? Who’s uh trying to 
send their kids back to school 
send their kids back to school 
right now and? That everybody 
right now and? That everybody 
seems to be all over the place 
seems to be all over the place 
like I see people sending 
like I see people sending 
people to schools. some of them 
people to schools. some of them 
aren’t like I know we’re not. 
aren’t like I know we’re not. 
we’re not sending Ava to school 
we’re not sending Ava to school 
this year we bought a home 
this year we bought a home 
teaching kit uh for for for 
teaching kit uh for for for 
we’re we’re gonna do a pre KI 
we’re we’re gonna do a pre KI 
think we went to kindergarten 
think we went to kindergarten 
um because she she scored high 
um because she she scored high 
enough on the test to to warn 
enough on the test to to warn 
it so he’s got the part of 
it so he’s got the part of 
genius. Yeah, right, Where did 
genius. Yeah, right, Where did 
you get that from her mom? I’m 
you get that from her mom? I’m 
not sure I don’t know I don’t 
not sure I don’t know I don’t 
know people tell me I don’t. I 
know people tell me I don’t. I 
don’t feel that’s most of the 
don’t feel that’s most of the 
time I. Another discussion, 
time I. Another discussion, 
yeah, it is wisdom Wednesday, 
yeah, it is wisdom Wednesday, 
right, so it is what it is 
right, so it is what it is 
that’s far enough to name it 
that’s far enough to name it 
that um but like what where 
that um but like what where 
where what what can what can 
where what what can what can 
parents do to help support on 
parents do to help support on 
the virtual end of the school 
the virtual end of the school 
was still like the the 
was still like the the 
basically the same as well. Let 
basically the same as well. Let 
me let me let me start with 
me let me let me start with 
this and I’ll address that for 
this and I’ll address that for 
directly This is an abnormal 
directly This is an abnormal 
situation. No question right. 
situation. No question right. 
Yeah. but. Just for a moment 
Yeah. but. Just for a moment 
there was always things going 
there was always things going 
on outside of school kids 
on outside of school kids 
always kids at homework since I 
always kids at homework since I 
wasn’t doing it. I know 
wasn’t doing it. I know 
whatever I mean this little 
whatever I mean this little 
jealous, you know he’s playing 
jealous, you know he’s playing 
basketball instead of doing 
basketball instead of doing 
homework and the people that 
homework and the people that 
homework since Greece um so the 
homework since Greece um so the 
fact that some it goes back 
fact that some it goes back 
that far well, that’s where 
that far well, that’s where 
Socratic method comes from. yes 
Socratic method comes from. yes 
wow uh Greece handed off to 
wow uh Greece handed off to 
Rome Rome handed off to Europe 
Rome Rome handed off to Europe 
to England came here so this 
to England came here so this 
sort of. Ideology of education 
sort of. Ideology of education 
system goes back to Greece. 
system goes back to Greece. 
Wow. Yeah. How about that you 
Wow. Yeah. How about that you 
hang around with me long enough 
hang around with me long enough 
this wisdom so you wanna wish 
this wisdom so you wanna wish 
I’m giving you yeah. Yeah. So 
I’m giving you yeah. Yeah. So 
it’s 4000 year old system so 
it’s 4000 year old system so 
anyway, here’s here’s what I’m 
anyway, here’s here’s what I’m 
saying is yes the day that 730 
saying is yes the day that 730 
to 230 plus or minus time frame 
to 230 plus or minus time frame 
is different or certainly 
is different or certainly 
adjusted right now. right, it’s 
adjusted right now. right, it’s 
altered but there’s always been 
altered but there’s always been 
that after school to when they 
that after school to when they 
were to go to sleep window 
were to go to sleep window 
where kids were having to do 
where kids were having to do 
home. Having to do projects 
home. Having to do projects 
having to do whatever so it 
having to do whatever so it 
isn’t like that never existed. 
isn’t like that never existed. 
It’s just been amplified so one 
It’s just been amplified so one 
of the things I’ve talked about 
of the things I’ve talked about 
and I’ve done several podcast 
and I’ve done several podcast 
on this variance of it is 
on this variance of it is 
structure I have a whole 
structure I have a whole 
discussion I could do five 
discussion I could do five 
major structures that everybody 
major structures that everybody 
should have in their home 
should have in their home 
learning environment. Okay, um 
learning environment. Okay, um 
just super briefly a physical 
just super briefly a physical 
structure, a time structure and 
structure, a time structure and 
academic structure a 
academic structure a 
accountability structure and a 
accountability structure and a 
support structure. Those are 
support structure. Those are 
the five I can talk about. I 
the five I can talk about. I 
could write a book about each 
could write a book about each 
one, but that’s the key and the 
one, but that’s the key and the 
thing is that you can’t. Just 
thing is that you can’t. Just 
dump them, you know like, okay. 
dump them, you know like, okay. 
it’s 8 o’clock tonight. Bang. 
it’s 8 o’clock tonight. Bang. 
We’re starting right now. These 
We’re starting right now. These 
are things you have to teach it 
are things you have to teach it 
has to become sort of a culture 
has to become sort of a culture 
within your home right if 
within your home right if 
you’re a kind of parent yet, 
you’re a kind of parent yet, 
some parents are relaxed, some 
some parents are relaxed, some 
people were transferred 
people were transferred 
discipline. I’m not gonna judge 
discipline. I’m not gonna judge 
that in any way, but you can’t 
that in any way, but you can’t 
be a very relax parent and also 
be a very relax parent and also 
1 day become super 
1 day become super 
disciplinary. It just doesn’t 
disciplinary. It just doesn’t 
work right. It’s it’s kids. 
work right. It’s it’s kids. 
They’re like well. I’m not 
They’re like well. I’m not 
listening to that. So this it’s 
listening to that. So this it’s 
the same way with the academic 
the same way with the academic 
structures. You have to say, 
structures. You have to say, 
okay. we’re gonna we’re gonna 
okay. we’re gonna we’re gonna 
put this in place. We’re gonna 
put this in place. We’re gonna 
work it out. Make it work, it 
work it out. Make it work, it 
has become kind of a uh a 
has become kind of a uh a 
family almost like a dialogue, 
family almost like a dialogue, 
but yeah the younger kids you 
but yeah the younger kids you 
know like a six 7 year old. 
know like a six 7 year old. 
It’s the work load isn’t that 
It’s the work load isn’t that 
advance. It’s probably stuff 
advance. It’s probably stuff 
parents can handle, but when 
parents can handle, but when 
you got a 6789 and certainly a 
you got a 6789 and certainly a 
high school kid with the 
high school kid with the 
parents, it’s outpacing the 
parents, it’s outpacing the 
parent’s ability to teach it so 
parent’s ability to teach it so 
the parents are not completely 
the parents are not completely 
in the management role. They’re 
in the management role. They’re 
not gonna be in a pedagogical 
not gonna be in a pedagogical 
role cuz they don’t necessarily 
role cuz they don’t necessarily 
understand the math or the 
understand the math or the 
science or the history. So now 
science or the history. So now 
they’re more of a management 
they’re more of a management 
role so the older the children 
role so the older the children 
get more critical structures 
get more critical structures 
become so yeah not that I’m 
become so yeah not that I’m 
plugging anything here, but no 
plugging anything here, but no 
no no go ahead. No, it would 
no no go ahead. No, it would 
really help no. I have. I have 
really help no. I have. I have 
a virtual learning Plan III 
a virtual learning Plan III 
market. It’s a low ticket 
market. It’s a low ticket 
price. Thirty-nine Bucks people 
price. Thirty-nine Bucks people 
families fill out the survey uh 
families fill out the survey uh 
based on the survey, I write up 
based on the survey, I write up 
a two or three page report, the 
a two or three page report, the 
basically says. here’s what I 
basically says. here’s what I 
recommend you do day to day. 
recommend you do day to day. 
Home it’s called and uh yeah, 
Home it’s called and uh yeah, 
I’ve I’ve moved a ton of them 
I’ve I’ve moved a ton of them 
um and not it’s like people 
um and not it’s like people 
need. Yeah. do people need 
need. Yeah. do people need 
every single thing in it all 
every single thing in it all 
the time but um it’s been a big 
the time but um it’s been a big 
shift in role. It’s the things 
shift in role. It’s the things 
that we’re asking parents to do 
that we’re asking parents to do 
are not things that they’ve um 
are not things that they’ve um 
I don’t say there’s certainly 
I don’t say there’s certainly 
not incapable of it, but 
not incapable of it, but 
they’re not accustomed to doing 
they’re not accustomed to doing 
it, but I don’t think that’s 
it, but I don’t think that’s 
it’s not as drastic as black. 
it’s not as drastic as black. 
You know, it’s like it was 
You know, it’s like it was 
never now always. it’s a 
never now always. it’s a 
continuum somewhere along the 
continuum somewhere along the 
way. Yeah. II think it’s harder 
way. Yeah. II think it’s harder 
frankly is just trying to keep 
frankly is just trying to keep 
kids engaged. You know like 
kids engaged. You know like 
it’s tough to stare at a 
it’s tough to stare at a 
computer for 6 hours being in a 
computer for 6 hours being in a 
classroom you’re walking around 
classroom you’re walking around 
everyone’s like breaks. You got 
everyone’s like breaks. You got 
friends there. you’ve got some 
friends there. you’ve got some 
human interactions some 
human interactions some 
socialization, especially on 
socialization, especially on 
the younger and right right you 
the younger and right right you 
have recess. You got lunch. You 
have recess. You got lunch. You 
know you got whatever the whole 
know you got whatever the whole 
time you know just staring at 
time you know just staring at 
the. And like you know on 
the. And like you know on 
whatever platform it happens to 
whatever platform it happens to 
be, I mean that’s that can be 
be, I mean that’s that can be 
educational for sure, but you 
educational for sure, but you 
subtract out all the other 
subtract out all the other 
things that students or kids 
things that students or kids 
enjoy about school hang with 
enjoy about school hang with 
their friends, obviously um 
their friends, obviously um 
interacting with their friends, 
interacting with their friends, 
You know just being part of 
You know just being part of 
something like kind of larger 
something like kind of larger 
than themselves. I think that’s 
than themselves. I think that’s 
where a lot of the stress comes 
where a lot of the stress comes 
in Yeah. yeah on that level. 
in Yeah. yeah on that level. 
It’s almost the same thing like 
It’s almost the same thing like 
listen would you rather be uh 
listen would you rather be uh 
you know? An iconic live we do 
you know? An iconic live we do 
it virtually I’ve got to take 
it virtually I’ve got to take 
100% live right. I want I 
100% live right. I want I 
wanted to do it live. We’re 
wanted to do it live. We’re 
gonna do it here in the. I know 
gonna do it here in the. I know 
it. Oh. yeah. backyard uh 
it. Oh. yeah. backyard uh 
behind me the casa Casa Yeah 
behind me the casa Casa Yeah 
you’re in the house, but what 
you’re in the house, but what 
I’m saying the vibes stand 
I’m saying the vibes stand 
point right like this, you know 
point right like this, you know 
it’s it’s just more fun. It’s 
it’s it’s just more fun. It’s 
it’s more. you know you just 
it’s more. you know you just 
feel more connected. It’s just 
feel more connected. It’s just 
everything you know. Yeah. 
everything you know. Yeah. 
we’re hoping to recreate a lot 
we’re hoping to recreate a lot 
of that same feeling and we’ve 
of that same feeling and we’ve 
done a good job of creating 
done a good job of creating 
that with the virtual. Events 
that with the virtual. Events 
that we’ve done uh through the 
that we’ve done uh through the 
comments coming in and post you 
comments coming in and post you 
know, put them up on the screen 
know, put them up on the screen 
and interacting that way. So 
and interacting that way. So 
it’s it’s it’s worth but I’m 
it’s it’s it’s worth but I’m 
really hoping like II think I 
really hoping like II think I 
think we got it but I’m really 
think we got it but I’m really 
hopeful that the you know going 
hopeful that the you know going 
to zoom route this time and and 
to zoom route this time and and 
doing it in there uh will 
doing it in there uh will 
enable us to have another level 
enable us to have another level 
another layer. It’s you know, 
another layer. It’s you know, 
it’s it’s it’s like one of the 
it’s it’s it’s like one of the 
what’s the saying like a bad 
what’s the saying like a bad 
day fishing is better than a 
day fishing is better than a 
good day at work. Yeah. Right, 
good day at work. Yeah. Right, 
I was like. I’m gonna coin a 
I was like. I’m gonna coin a 
phrase like a bad day at icon 
phrase like a bad day at icon 
Six online. It’s a good day 
Six online. It’s a good day 
anywhere else. Yeah, I ding 
anywhere else. Yeah, I ding 
ding. It’s a teacher put that 
ding. It’s a teacher put that 
you can sell a t-shirt I we’ll 
you can sell a t-shirt I we’ll 
call that Joe we’re we’re 
call that Joe we’re we’re 
better than going to the 
better than going to the 
dentist. Oh yeah, you got your 
dentist. Oh yeah, you got your 
podcast five. I got that shirt. 
podcast five. I got that shirt. 
Yeah. it’s it’s actually it’s 
Yeah. it’s it’s actually it’s 
over here. I can get it for the 
over here. I can get it for the 
um but it’s uh what I’m saying 
um but it’s uh what I’m saying 
is it’s you know. same thing. 
is it’s you know. same thing. 
Sports. You know. I’m watching 
Sports. You know. I’m watching 
the Phillies last night and 
the Phillies last night and 
it’s like it’s not the same 
it’s like it’s not the same 
when there. Got the cut outs in 
when there. Got the cut outs in 
the stands and yeah, it’s not 
the stands and yeah, it’s not 
the same. it’s allowed them to 
the same. it’s allowed them to 
open up like a certain 
open up like a certain 
percentage of of the stadium, 
percentage of of the stadium, 
and I think it’s I mean certain 
and I think it’s I mean certain 
states seem to have done that. 
states seem to have done that. 
so I think it’s a safer than 
so I think it’s a safer than 
sorry thing uh but I mean, like 
sorry thing uh but I mean, like 
it’s a big stadium like if you 
it’s a big stadium like if you 
just like like 20% of the like 
just like like 20% of the like 
20% of the seats be sold and 
20% of the seats be sold and 
you space them out enough like 
you space them out enough like 
I can’t see how that would be 
I can’t see how that would be 
any different. It’s going under 
any different. It’s going under 
a tent. Yeah. Going under a 
a tent. Yeah. Going under a 
tent and eating with a bunch of 
tent and eating with a bunch of 
other people, all around you 
other people, all around you 
like that seems we’re going to 
like that seems we’re going to 
three feet from another table 
three feet from another table 
right. Yeah. so and everybody’s 
right. Yeah. so and everybody’s 
got their mask off and they’re 
got their mask off and they’re 
chewing and they’re spitting 
chewing and they’re spitting 
and they’re talking and you 
and they’re talking and you 
know. yeah exactly so to me 
know. yeah exactly so to me 
like II would actually feel 
like II would actually feel 
safer at the bit kinda like how 
safer at the bit kinda like how 
people feel they say they feel 
people feel they say they feel 
safer at Disney world than they 
safer at Disney world than they 
do outside of Disney world in 
do outside of Disney world in 
Florida uh especially in the 
Florida uh especially in the 
months leading up to me right 
months leading up to me right 
now, I haven’t been lately but. 
now, I haven’t been lately but. 
Yeah, because everyone’s has to 
Yeah, because everyone’s has to 
wear a mask there like you go 
wear a mask there like you go 
down in the middle of the like 
down in the middle of the like 
most people out of risk and we 
most people out of risk and we 
wanna be the person to tell 
wanna be the person to tell 
that person not to. I mean I 
that person not to. I mean I 
don’t I don’t need. I don’t 
don’t I don’t need. I don’t 
know the kind of trouble in my 
know the kind of trouble in my 
in my life, but my point is the 
in my life, but my point is the 
experience is different right, 
experience is different right, 
the just the human experience 
the just the human experience 
is different but it’s the same 
is different but it’s the same 
thing. It’s the same thing with 
thing. It’s the same thing with 
tutoring. I you know I have an 
tutoring. I you know I have an 
office. I have a classroom if I 
office. I have a classroom if I 
have a physical space I 
have a physical space I 
tutoring I haven’t been able to 
tutoring I haven’t been able to 
use it for four or 5 months and 
use it for four or 5 months and 
everything’s been online. I’m 
everything’s been online. I’m 
getting like I gotta get a new 
getting like I gotta get a new 
prescription here cuz my eyes 
prescription here cuz my eyes 
are like you know online so 
are like you know online so 
much but it it. you know what 
much but it it. you know what 
we gonna do you know you’re 
we gonna do you know you’re 
complaining about it or just do 
complaining about it or just do 
it right. So? yeah you gotta 
it right. So? yeah you gotta 
dig in and do it so um how can 
dig in and do it so um how can 
everyone get in contact with 
everyone get in contact with 
you? Steven the easiest way to 
you? Steven the easiest way to 
make the grade.net WWW.make The 
make the grade.net WWW.make The 
great.net is my website. It’s 
great.net is my website. It’s 
sort of houses everything uh 
sort of houses everything uh 
I’ll plug. can I’m gonna plug 
I’ll plug. can I’m gonna plug 
another event next Thursday 
another event next Thursday 
night. Yeah and it’s. I don’t 
night. Yeah and it’s. I don’t 
know when this goes live. are 
know when this goes live. are 
we live. We’re live right now. 
we live. We’re live right now. 
We’re live. Okay. Yeah. We have 
We’re live. Okay. Yeah. We have 
any comment. You know I messed 
any comment. You know I messed 
up. you had like a cough, but 
up. you had like a cough, but 
I’d put that person well. It’s 
I’d put that person well. It’s 
like that language but uh 
like that language but uh 
Thursday, September 10th uh and 
Thursday, September 10th uh and 
I’m gonna plug Joe for a second 
I’m gonna plug Joe for a second 
after this, I’m doing a virtual 
after this, I’m doing a virtual 
uh back to school summit. Uh 
uh back to school summit. Uh 
there are six speakers. Yeah 
there are six speakers. Yeah 
ring that Bell there’s six 
ring that Bell there’s six 
speakers uh we’re gonna cover a 
speakers uh we’re gonna cover a 
very broad bandwidth of. Lot of 
very broad bandwidth of. Lot of 
things, parents are going to 
things, parents are going to 
know about this back-to-school 
know about this back-to-school 
uh some we kinda handed out in 
uh some we kinda handed out in 
you know 510 minutes ago. um 
you know 510 minutes ago. um 
it’s free. It’s make the great 
it’s free. It’s make the great 
Dot school easy one to remember 
Dot school easy one to remember 
make the grade school. It’s 
make the grade school. It’s 
free, but you do have to 
free, but you do have to 
register. It’s gonna be 
register. It’s gonna be 
streamed into uh a Facebook 
streamed into uh a Facebook 
group of all things and guess 
group of all things and guess 
what I learned how to run a 
what I learned how to run a 
summit. 
Standing off camera, Yeah, 
Standing off camera, Yeah, 
that’s that’s over there. Yeah. 
that’s that’s over there. Yeah. 
you know. listen. Thank you. so 
you know. listen. Thank you. so 
you know that Joe had a great 
you know that Joe had a great 
course Great workshop. Um you 
course Great workshop. Um you 
know how to put it together. 
know how to put it together. 
How to get sponsors How to 
How to get sponsors How to 
bring in speakers how to 
bring in speakers how to 
execute it? Um so you know, 
execute it? Um so you know, 
just like I was talking about 
just like I was talking about 
before getting mentoring you 
before getting mentoring you 
know when when you need, you 
know when when you need, you 
know what it take me, I 
know what it take me, I 
probably could have pulled this 
probably could have pulled this 
off, but this made it so much 
off, but this made it so much 
easier so much, especially the 
easier so much, especially the 
sponsors. some of the tips they 
sponsors. some of the tips they 
gave for that were really spot 
gave for that were really spot 
on. Um but that’s coming up and 
on. Um but that’s coming up and 
then you know my email SG REENE 
then you know my email SG REENE 
at make the great.net try to 
at make the great.net try to 
three easiest ways. I’m all 
three easiest ways. I’m all 
over social media as much as an 
over social media as much as an 
old guy like me can be um so 
old guy like me can be um so 
you could probably find me 
you could probably find me 
there. but I you know I’m being 
there. but I you know I’m being 
on uh you know somebody writes 
on uh you know somebody writes 
me. I’ll right back. I’m I’m 
me. I’ll right back. I’m I’m 
I’m I never uh dip. That’s my 
I’m I never uh dip. That’s my 
kid told me. you know what that 
kid told me. you know what that 
means Joe uh no, I don’t 
means Joe uh no, I don’t 
actually apparently dipping. I 
actually apparently dipping. I 
didn’t know I think I’m 
didn’t know I think I’m 
thinking like dancing, you know 
thinking like dancing, you know 
but uh we’re like somebody. But 
but uh we’re like somebody. But 
apparently dipping is when 
apparently dipping is when 
somebody’s like reaching out to 
somebody’s like reaching out to 
you and you don’t write back or 
you and you don’t write back or 
you in the conference, you 
you in the conference, you 
know, sometimes you get these 
know, sometimes you get these 
endless text conversations. 
endless text conversations. 
Yeah, the first who ended it 
Yeah, the first who ended it 
ended it did it did they dipped 
ended it did it did they dipped 
out? Yeah. No. it’s like if you 
out? Yeah. No. it’s like if you 
don’t like chatting like Olson, 
don’t like chatting like Olson, 
you don’t hear from me anymore. 
you don’t hear from me anymore. 
I dipped. yeah. it’s so it’s so 
I dipped. yeah. it’s so it’s so 
funny cuz like when I hear the 
funny cuz like when I hear the 
word I think of the the nasty 
word I think of the the nasty 
habit of dipping. Yeah the 
habit of dipping. Yeah the 
double dip tobacco. no the 
double dip tobacco. no the 
tobacco thing. Yeah. That’s. 
tobacco thing. Yeah. That’s. 
And I don’t know why because 
And I don’t know why because 
it’s not me or anyone in my 
it’s not me or anyone in my 
family or anything. but yeah, 
family or anything. but yeah, 
so I don’t know um I don’t know 
so I don’t know um I don’t know 
that was dipping either. I 
that was dipping either. I 
think I think I feel like you 
think I think I feel like you 
double dipped your chip. Yeah. 
double dipped your chip. Yeah. 
Yeah. yeah, no he’s having in 
Yeah. yeah, no he’s having in 
your mouth and everybody else’s 
your mouth and everybody else’s 
too. pretty Well, yeah and 
too. pretty Well, yeah and 
right now. that’s uh absolutely 
right now. that’s uh absolutely 
no. yeah. you won’t do that. 
no. yeah. you won’t do that. 
No. no no uh so anyway that 
No. no no uh so anyway that 
Stephen Thank you so much for 
Stephen Thank you so much for 
coming here on. Indie five 
coming here on. Indie five 
daily show It’s been great to 
daily show It’s been great to 
have you. thank you for the 
have you. thank you for the 
accolades um and it actually 
accolades um and it actually 
the the course that you talked 
the the course that you talked 
about with me and Tim if you 
about with me and Tim if you 
want access to that uh go, you 
want access to that uh go, you 
can join the uh the indie Pod 
can join the uh the indie Pod 
university cuz it’s actually in 
university cuz it’s actually in 
there. all four modules are 
there. all four modules are 
streaming in there so you can 
streaming in there so you can 
go back and watch and learn and 
go back and watch and learn and 
then reach out to me and Tim 
then reach out to me and Tim 
and we can work with you one on 
and we can work with you one on 
one with it. uh so yeah. so 
one with it. uh so yeah. so 
it’s one of the added benefits 
it’s one of the added benefits 
of. In the university as those 
of. In the university as those 
types of courses and there’s 
types of courses and there’s 
more to come, speaking of which 
more to come, speaking of which 
uh I probably talk more about 
uh I probably talk more about 
it, but I think we’re gonna our 
it, but I think we’re gonna our 
next one’s gonna be show notes 
next one’s gonna be show notes 
uh our next workshop on the 
uh our next workshop on the 
third Thursday of September. 
third Thursday of September. 
It’ll be the seventh one the 
It’ll be the seventh one the 
one one yeah, so it’ll be a 1 
one one yeah, so it’ll be a 1 
hour workshop um so that’ll 
hour workshop um so that’ll 
probably go on sale. I mean let 
probably go on sale. I mean let 
me say one thing about shortly 
me say one thing about shortly 
cuz I got to tell you I think 
cuz I got to tell you I think 
like a lot of podcasters, I 
like a lot of podcasters, I 
sure changed my show notes for 
sure changed my show notes for 
a long time. Where would I 
a long time. Where would I 
would do is I would just 
would do is I would just 
basically I would put a link 
basically I would put a link 
and say, click here to see the 
and say, click here to see the 
blog and for whatever may guys 
blog and for whatever may guys 
lazy or just had so much going 
lazy or just had so much going 
on um I really didn’t write 
on um I really didn’t write 
specific show and I’ve had a 
specific show and I’ve had a 
lot of guests and I did. I was 
lot of guests and I did. I was 
good at it when I guess you 
good at it when I guess you 
know, I’m like you know, cool 
know, I’m like you know, cool 
box and stuff um I don’t know 
box and stuff um I don’t know 
if it’s just because the 
if it’s just because the 
longevity of the podcast on my 
longevity of the podcast on my 
trajectory was going like it 
trajectory was going like it 
was but the the the subscriber 
was but the the the subscriber 
and the download numbers 
and the download numbers 
definitely went up when I put 
definitely went up when I put 
that extra. 3060 minutes into 
that extra. 3060 minutes into 
better more mindful show notes. 
better more mindful show notes. 
Yeah. I know it’s something I 
Yeah. I know it’s something I 
gotta get a get on, especially 
gotta get a get on, especially 
with this show I mean going to 
with this show I mean going to 
daily makes it kinda difficult 
daily makes it kinda difficult 
cuz going live is so much 
cuz going live is so much 
easier than having to write out 
easier than having to write out 
a whole bunch of notes and 
a whole bunch of notes and 
things, especially when you 
things, especially when you 
have guests. So it’s something 
have guests. So it’s something 
that I definitely gotta come 
that I definitely gotta come 
back around and maybe what 
back around and maybe what 
we’ll we’ll I’ll do um maybe 
we’ll we’ll I’ll do um maybe 
towards the end of the I have a 
towards the end of the I have a 
meeting with a potential um uh 
meeting with a potential um uh 
intern for. Pod so uh so maybe 
intern for. Pod so uh so maybe 
I’ll look at getting another 
I’ll look at getting another 
intern or two and have them go 
intern or two and have them go 
back. I mean you’ve arrived 
back. I mean you’ve arrived 
when you have an intern. you’ve 
when you have an intern. you’ve 
arrived right well. This is 
arrived right well. This is 
this potential intern. Uh you 
this potential intern. Uh you 
know what is going to Harvard. 
know what is going to Harvard. 
So so how about that right? I 
So so how about that right? I 
think you turn the heck. yeah 
think you turn the heck. yeah 
right. That’s how we do. We do 
right. That’s how we do. We do 
a thing so uh so yeah. so we’ll 
a thing so uh so yeah. so we’ll 
see we’ll we’ll probably be 
see we’ll we’ll probably be 
there. Yeah I got to say. Oh 
there. Yeah I got to say. Oh 
yeah I get that. that’s that’s 
yeah I get that. that’s that’s 
some claps Um I. So I 
some claps Um I. So I 
appreciate it, I hope uh you 
appreciate it, I hope uh you 
know what I said was able to 
know what I said was able to 
help people and absolutely I 
help people and absolutely I 
think my experience is what it 
think my experience is what it 
is, but you know, I started 
is, but you know, I started 
completely from the ground up. 
completely from the ground up. 
I started with nothing. I’m a 
I started with nothing. I’m a 
year later. I’m I’m producing 
year later. I’m I’m producing 
podcasts. I’m comfortable with 
podcasts. I’m comfortable with 
it. I’ve got some great guests 
it. I’ve got some great guests 
on I’ve met the community is 
on I’ve met the community is 
really cool. I mean the icon 
really cool. I mean the icon 
I’ve met so many just nice 
I’ve met so many just nice 
generous uh friendly people in 
generous uh friendly people in 
this little space. You know 
this little space. You know 
it’s not thousands of them, but 
it’s not thousands of them, but 
you know you’re getting there. 
you know you’re getting there. 
Regina. I mean all these. It 
Regina. I mean all these. It 
really nice and genuine, and 
really nice and genuine, and 
you know happy to help so it’s 
you know happy to help so it’s 
it’s been really good that way 
it’s been really good that way 
appreciate. yeah included in 
appreciate. yeah included in 
that. well, I mean people is 
that. well, I mean people is 
the one thing that one of the 
the one thing that one of the 
few things that I pride myself 
few things that I pride myself 
on is being able to bring I 
on is being able to bring I 
love bringing people together. 
love bringing people together. 
I love bringing people together 
I love bringing people together 
and uh you are one of those 
and uh you are one of those 
people step. so I’m so glad 
people step. so I’m so glad 
that we’ve been able to connect 
that we’ve been able to connect 
and work together and uh I’m 
and work together and uh I’m 
looking forward to hearing how 
looking forward to hearing how 
big of a success your event is 
big of a success your event is 
on the It’s on the tenth right. 
on the It’s on the tenth right. 
Yeah. 910 isn’t that the day 
Yeah. 910 isn’t that the day 
before your birthday. Tim’s 
before your birthday. Tim’s 
birthday vines, I think it’s 
birthday vines, I think it’s 
the day before Tim Tim was the 
the day before Tim Tim was the 
eleventh. Here’s the fifteenth 
eleventh. Here’s the fifteenth 
to the eighteenth. We got to 
to the eighteenth. We got to 
try over. It’s over. Yeah. I’m 
try over. It’s over. Yeah. I’m 
definitely right here. love it. 
definitely right here. love it. 
Yeah, I know we’re all on the 
Yeah, I know we’re all on the 
same uh short window there. 
same uh short window there. 
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s 
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s 
that’s a good way to end this 
that’s a good way to end this 
that’s about as we’re gonna get 
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