hey what's up you guys I'm your host
Morgan Ashley a welcome back to the
Proving Points Podcast this is episode 1
and today we will be talking about why
the cancer culture is full of sh*t I
honestly do not understand the cancel
culture sometimes I like when people get
canceled for good reason but I do not
like when they're easily forgiven in
their uncancelled like who's cancelled
why they get canceled how they get
uncounseled like what makes it okay to
be uncounseled after being super super
disrespectful let's get into this
alright so here we go
so the castle culture it really gives me
anxiety because one miniature pencil and
within a blink of an eye you're back and
you're officially cleared of all your
cancelled charges that was brought upon
to you in the first place I honestly
don't get it I don't get why people so
easily forgive I don't understand like I
don't it's something that blocks me from
understanding how people easily forgives
or it's not really the forgiveness it's
more so the going on about life going on
about the support of the person that was
supposed to be cancelled in the first
place you know I don't understand the
counseling timeframe do you forgive
quickly because you can't live without
the content from the person that's
supposed to be cancelled or like are you
really that much of a fan of someone
that you refuse to stand by your own
principles and the respect what warrants
you or what warrants your forgiveness I
should say of openly racist people
what warns your forgiveness of proven
pedophiles because I don't get it now
people really do love to talk about
their horoscopes and the energy and the
vibrations and the frequencies and how
it develops a personality trait and if I
went off of that sign alone I would be
the most forgiving person in the world
I'm a cancer everybody always cracks
jokes about cancers they're like oh my
god they're so lovey and they're so
clinging they're so like all up on you
and everything but in the blink of an
eye they hate you you know my sign it
tells me that I am tenacious it tells me
that I'm
emotional and I'm very sympathetic but
it also tells me that once you cross me
there's a very very thin line of if I
will ever speak to you again or if I'm
just gonna move on and just completely
ignore you you know it's one of those
things where I honestly can't be around
people that give off bad vibes that
can't be around people that are negative
I can't be around people that are doing
wrong to others because it does
something to my spirit I can't be that
person I'm a realist at the end of the
day I can't comfortably live my life
knowing that I'm listening to the music
of a pedophile and it's not like we
don't know you know who's a pedophile
these days when you have proof right in
front of you it's like how do you
continue to support this person I think
I'm gonna get on that and a little bit
later in this podcast about support and
what people think of that because I
understand the logic of some people I
still don't respect their logic but I
understand it you know but I can't
comfortably support these so-called
Beauty influencers who on more than one
occasion are very disrespectful to the
women that look just like me to go
further into the Beauty influence the
world I can't comfortably support the
companies either that collab with these
racist influencers after knowing and
hearing just like the rest of the world
that they're toxic I can't sit and watch
my once favorite television shows
knowing that an icon has taken advantage
of women I mean it's it's so weird how
people can still say well you know it
happened move on because when you cancel
someone it shouldn't be temporary
because they want to learn from their
mistakes and now they're officially open
for discussion
you know like...  NO! how what do you mean
you're open for a discussion that is one
of the most irritating forms of apology
in my opinion when a racist person gets
caught being racist and it just goes
into this viral thing across the
internet and now all of a sudden they
become the most teachable people on this
planet they become so damn apologetic
it's kind of laughable it's not my job
to teach you how not to be racist it's
not me that you need to seek forgiveness
from and just to be clear on this word
forgiveness before it gets taken out of
context yes
I forgive everyone I honestly hold no
grudges against people because that
would do something to me holding a
grudge against somebody you know I would
be very sick and stressed out if I held
grudges on everybody that I've come
across that are just pure evil
you know so it's when I say forgiveness
I honestly mean like I can't support you
no longer can I give you my energy I
can't do it my only job after being
disrespected seeing someone else be
disrespected in a way that not only
affects me but it affects an entire
community my only job is to blatantly
stop connections to you I remove all
connections to you this will not be
temporary with me I don't temporarily
cancel people okay when I see it or when
I hear it and I have proof you're
cancelled you're done it's a wrap I
don't need to hear from you or see from
you again because your energy is bad and
it's misplaced even after apology I
cannot rock with you because that
apology is not genuine usually apologies
you're apologizing because you fucked up
it's a whole process you guys before you
speak is literally an entire process
before you react to something you have
to first think right you have to think
about what you're gonna say I know what
I'm doing right now I'm recording this
podcast and I'm honestly thinking as I
speak because I know that I have to
record a podcast I have to stay on topic
I have to do all these things there's a
process before you react so you have to
think first and after you think if
you're on social media when you get
caught on social media after you think
about what you're going to say you have
to find a picture to post that's that's
another step finding a picture once you
find that picture you have to find a
caption you have to figure out what the
caption is once you find that caption
you have to type it out okay you have to
literally type it out people are so dumb
you have to type it out and then
once you're typing out you're
proofreading it as well so you actually
see what you're writing and then after
you do all those beautiful things you
then press send to post it okay
that alone is a very thoughtful process
you have thought about everything along
the way okay
on Twitter when people dig up these old
tweets it's like yeah you thought about
that when you wrote it I get the ones
that are young like super young like you
know the super like whatever you were
like teens and stuff I get those ones I
understand do I accept their apology
probably not but I do get it it's worse
in the form of an adult to be honest to
me when an adult is caught doing
something like that it's horrible
because you're an adult you have no more
excuses okay you have no more excuses
all that is a full thoughtful process I
need to like calm down for a second this
is irritating it's not you're taking to
talk about but I need to talk about it
because I have to go into more detail
about what this is the cancel culture is
so full of shit it's bothering me. can we...
let's take a little music
break real real quick all right
okay you guys I'm back from that short
little break I just want to get back on
topic really quickly and really briefly
discuss why cancellation is happening
and why people are all of a sudden
forgetting that those people were
cancelled to begin with I'm just going
to talk about a few examples from the
fashion industry from the music industry
from the television industry from that's
just like media in general I'm just
being more specific and you know just
the whole social media community when it
comes down to influencers being complete
assholes so first I'm just gonna start
with television the obvious person that
that you can really go to is Bill Cosby
of course now he's like America's
favorite television father okay now yes
I grew up watching the Cosby's I look
literally like Rudy my entire childhood
people called me Rudy it was very
annoying because that's not me
but I totally got the comparison but
anyway we grew up watching this
television show we fell in love with the
aesthetic we fell in love with how he
was raising his children how it was a
whole family there was a two-parent
household the kids were on track the
kids were going to college but in
between that we were learning a lot of
life lessons through television and yet
he technically raised a lot of kids in
terms of giving them hope like letting
them know like you know what this is
possible this type of family dynamic is
possible he was a doctor okay like his
wife was a lawyer it's just like how do
you separate the character from the man
how do you separate them even though you
grew up watching them loving them and
learning from them and really enjoying
all of the content that is thrown into
your face at the end of the day you have
to separate those characters he is a
character he is an actor okay and when
everybody cancelled him out it was
because
I kept hearing name after name after
name after name after name of all these
women that are coming forward and saying
he did something to them he took
advantage of them he gave them drugs he
gave them alcohol you know you just you
took advantage of it now I am gonna have
a separate podcast about the me to
movement because I do have a biased
opinion when it comes to that but
specifically talking about Bill Cosby
here him being cancelled for those
reasons are 100% valid
I understand canceling I understand that
he may night may not have like did
anything with most of those women but do
I believe that he did something to some
of them absolutely and with that belief
and knowing that he has been charged for
these type of things he's in prison for
this type of thing I can't I cannot
support him I cannot continue to be like
oh well I grew up watching him and he's
like a father figure and you know he's a
comedian and he's funny and you know he
pretty much raised me all for television
so I have to forgive him I have to
continue to support him no that's not
what that means and I get the example of
a black man I get that I get the whole
gist of it I get the example but just
completely speaking on the nature of his
whereabouts I can't I cannot not cancel
him out
you know I can't be like well you know
I'm gonna pop on some episodes with
Cosby's I'm gonna watch somebody's old
movies that he did I'm gonna watch some
of these comedy shows no I'm not I'm not
gonna do that
you're done it's over but I don't
understand how people can just turn a
blind eye to it and a lot of people turn
a blind eye because they feel guilty
people go guilty when they realize that
the person that they fell in love with
the person that they grew a connection
with turns out to be very sick in the
head but they they're only guilty the
guilt comes from actually loving and
growing with someone and then then being
super disappointing to you so
automatically you feel a little bit of
remorse you feel like you have to kind
of you know give them a little
leeway you have to kind of be a little
bit lenient when it comes to how you
care about this person into the future
but in all honesty you don't have to be
that person it's not your job to make
them feel better about their mistakes
these things were happening while he was
a very grown man okay these women were
very grown women yeah I think some of
them like kind of lost their hoe card
they kind of probably were out trying to
get some sort of job or get some sort of
role and it turns out they didn't do it
and you know the hoe game failed you
know it it happens to the best of them
but not to make a joke out of it but the
women that were affected in this and
that were hurt by him and taken
advantage of I cannot feel sorry for him
I cannot feel remorse towards him I
cannot just be like well shit happens no
things don't just happen they don't just
happen so therefore people that are
forgiving both Bill Cosby people that
are saying you know they're making an
example out of him yeah they are making
an example out of him but there are also
some truth to it do I know the complete
truth no because I'm not one of those
women but did I hear enough to be
convinced yes absolutely as my mind made
up on cancelling him yes absolutely do I care
about the opinions of others when it
comes towards him yeah I do care I
really do care because it makes me have
some sort of insight to your personality
and it makes me understand your mind and
how it works and just how far a
relationship can really grow with a
person so yeah I respect your opinion I
welcome your opinion but it's it's one
of those things where you agree to
disagree and you don't really understand
why you're disagreeing at me or in
disagreement with someone when it comes
to taking advantage of women and I don't
want to be the person who's like women
is women that no I believe if a woman
did the same thing to a man they should
be punished as well I don't know what
the punishment should be
but you know there's consequences to
your actions bill cosby full-on cancel
bro
cancelled so that's just my take on the
Bill Cosby thing it's just like yeah we
grew up with them but he cancelled
he's done and I don't feel sorry not
even a little bit because you shouldn't
do the things that you do no matter what
you just shouldn't be be a kind human so
that's just my take on Bill Cosby now
let's just move on really quickly to the
influencer department
everybody knows YouTube is poppin
everybody knows Instagram is Poppin
Twitter is always poppin you know and
you really want to believe that you're
the people that you're watching I should
say are really genuine so when you come
across these personalities you kind of
fall in love with them because you're
like oh my god they're doing so well and
you watch these people grow from the
ground up and then you're hit and smack
in the face with complete disrespect by
some of your favorite youtubers your
favorite instagramers and you're like
damnit what just happened what just
happened you know and when it happens it
kind of hits you in a way that's very
different from your average or typical
celebrity because you relate more to
these people because these people are
living like a real life it's kind of
like they're in control of their own
reality show and you're super involved
in it you're learning with them you're
going with them you're growing
connection just like you do with
celebrities on television and
celebrities in the music industry except
for youtubers and instagramers are more
like like you they're more like real
life you you know so the racist people
in this community it's obvious they
don't even try to hide it anymore I'm
convinced that the racists are just full
along like I don't give an F anymore I'm
just gonna say what I need to say I'm
gonna make up an apology really quickly
and always forgiving because the people
that are forgiving them are very shallow
like I said at the beginning of this
podcast and they're just like whatever
they produce great content great content
they are super funny
they're super relatable I don't think
there's anything relate-able
about a racist okay and the thing about
the YouTube community in the Instagram
community people think is really big
it's not that big so word travels
extremely fast you know I mean and it
comes down to your morals and your
values and how you treat other people
and how you talk to other people so when
you see someone that you aspire to be or
you see someone that's in the same field
as you and you're watching them and
you're helping them build their career
and you're helping them put you know
food on their table and then they turn
out to be genuinely and openly racist it's
kind of like a slap in the face it's a
big slap in the face and a kick in the
back as well there's people like
Jeffree star who I honestly don't I
don't even know how he has followers I
don't get it
I don't understand how you guys
followers this man has completely
disrespected black women on more than
one occasion he has openly said the
n-word with an ER on the end the ER okay
ER on the end of the n-word he is openly
said it he is called black women rats he
is called black women gorillas he has
said hashtag deceased after the end of a
racist rant after calling women were
rats I don't understand his following
you could be the world's best makeup
artist you could be the face of anything
but when you are disgusting on the
inside it ruins you it instantly ruins
you and it's sad because I think people
have adapted to the fact that they want
to be like these people so much that
they kind of lose themselves in trying
to be like these people so they
disregard their actions and they replace
their actions with more and more love
more and more encouragement because
they're trying to teach them how to
unteach themselves their negative things
or negative ways it's
the most disrespectful thing to be
racist to think that you're that big of
a person to be like I don't like you
because of the color of your skin or
where you come from what are you serious
that's insane
when you talk like us when you adapt to
our culture and you use our influence
and then you turn it around and turn it
into something nasty and something
degrading because of what
there's no excuse there's absolutely no
excuse and it's not just Jeffree star I
think this whole little crew was racist
like he has like a little crew that kind
of morphed from him and they're all the
same because I I'm one of those people
where I'm like you are exactly like the
people you attract like you attract the
same vibes so if you get along with
somebody it's for a good reason usually
you know and it's one of those things
was like damn
a lot of shit unfolded and it turns out
that it's a crew of racist it's a crew
it's like you guys like did you guys
grow up together where you taught this
where how does this work how is this
effective how do you guys sleep at
nights I don't get it like I said it's
not just Jeffree Star Jeffree Star just
one of the biggest assholes on the
internet I don't understand his
following I don't understand the people
that keep on following him I don't
understand the businesses that he
collaborated with I don't understand how
he is still able to put out content and
have no consequences from it and the
consequences only come when you're truly
cancelled and that's why I say the cancel
culture is full of shit because the
council cultures Minds only last for
like a few weeks at a time it's like
okay let's cancel them out they're gonna
the people that are getting cancelled
they stay quiet for a little bit and
they relax for a little bit and then
they're like okay it's died down it's
moved on to someone else let me start
putting out more content and then
they're no longer cancelled and people
are like well girl you know this old
that's last week's news but he just
called you
kinds of names and he probably wasn't
talking to you directly but he talked to
the person that looks like you and
that's enough for me
you know James Charles the same thing
how these tweets it's not funny
they're not funny at all who else I can
go on and on about the racist youtubers
it's ridiculous I can it's just sad so
that's just a prime example of a
youtuber and always being forgiven and
that happens a lot in the YouTube
community and it's because people the
fan base of youtubers are kind of like
squads now and it's really cliquish and
it's really just nasty it's just nasty
the vibe is gross when you get on there
because it's like damn like I don't know
once these people pop up on my timeline
you know and it's just sad it's sad
that's all I'm gonna say about that
that's how short of a time frame you
have for when you're cancelled it's like
the time frame I honestly think is like
five weeks five or six weeks and then
your un-canceled you're un-canceled
because they've moved on to the next the
next cancellation it sucks and it's like
how do you support these people how do
you support and constantly give them
views give them likes buy their products
knowing that deep down inside they hate
you they hate your guts so much how do
you do it how do you do it and then
bring that up because I see people in
different comment sections of these
people rooting for them I'm like girl
like well I'd be so confused you guys
are so confused at how many times that
people are so forgiving it's not just
black people I mean people of color
general super forgiving yo but I'm
serious when I cancel you're done you're
cancelled for good it sucks
moving on to another cancellation how
about Gucci it's like I think TI said
what give it a few weeks or something
and then he kind of stuck with it so now
they're officially cancelled
oh my god the design industry I'm in the
design industry so the design industry
is a bit much the same as the social
media industry when it comes to a
process in which you put out content so
when you put out the racist clothing the
racial clothing that really really
really degrades a community and an
entire culture it's intentional there's
a process in fashion you have to sketch
the ideas if you don't sketch your
digital your digital sketching you're
creating an image okay once you create
this image this image goes into the cut
and sew process you're making patterns
you're getting samples a lot of samples
those samples it is not just one sample
one-and-done know you're getting a lot
of samples and it's always the person in
charge that has to prove everything so
even after you make the samples you have
to go into production the production
takes you into the sewing area of the
your sewing your stitching your adding
all the notions to these designs you're
adding all the details to these designs
and they have to be approved before
they're even put into mass production
meaning that you finalize this design
you finalized it and now it's into mass
production then once it's into mass
production that means you're ready to
send it out to the stores you're ready
to send it out to all of your retail
stores you're ready to put it online
meaning it has been approved more than
once it has been approved maybe more
than 20 times that's a process so no the
apology is not accepted because that
process meant that somebody along the
lines has approved this through each
step every single step and the fact that
it goes through steps bothers me because
that means you approved it at the
beginning stages you you approve this
before you even had fabric for this so I
don't understand so when you cancel out
fashion and completely cancel now
because it's a huge process Gucci
cancelled PRADA cancelled who else was
in North Face I think it's north they
all you guys are cancelled you don't
accidentally put out very degrading
racist memorabilia on your clothing and
think that's okay how how
I just don't get it how it's intentional
it's so intentional it's ridiculous so I
don't I just want people to understand
this is a process and there's a machine
in your brain
that tells you how to do things you
don't just black out and then be like oh
lets just throw on some  blackface on
my costume
you don't black out and that happens if
you think about this you have to go
through entire process before you even
reach the public's eye it's a it's sad
people are intentionally assholes and
that's what's scary about the future is
that it's getting worse and worse and
worse and I know time repeats itself but
you shouldn't have to repeat itself in
the form of hatred we've come a long way
but we're also travelling backwards and
that's scary as hell
and this is why again the cancel
culture is full of shit do you be like
well I like Gucci Gucci fly yeah but
good you don't rock with you Gucci Gucci
don't make clothes for you
Gucci just you know put blackface on
their clothing how about that they're
still forgiving though right because
it's a Gucci you're so attached to these
designer to like designer labels that
you forget that these designer labels
don't design for you they don't design
for us they use us and they piggyback
off of our culture but they do not
design for us and that's a problem and
that's one reason that they should be
canceled all together support your local
designers support your friends that are
designers make your friends big-name
designers make your friends household
names it's possible because there's no
rule that says you can only support the
biggest designers there's no rule
there's no rule to that it sucks and
it's sad and it's scary moving right
along to R. Kelly I don't even like
talking about R. Kelly and to be
completely transparent I don't really
listen to our Kelly's news like that
anyway I haven't listed his news like
that in a very long time I mean yeah I
had all the CDs because naturally that's
what you do when you're younger you buy
the hottest music out
and our Kelly was a hard very hot artist
you know he hit after hit after hit the
man is talented you cannot take away his
talent whatsoever but she can take away
your support listening to his music
today seems gross it seems like once you
know someone's a pedophile once you know
someone's creeping on children once you
know these stories are coming out you
just can't ignore it and it's like every
time you hear his music you're like oh
my god he's disgusting oh my god how
could he do I believe every story that
comes out is truthful no no I don't I
think people have motives I think people
go after people that feel like an easy
target especially after the first target
comes out the first not target but the
first person comes out and says
something negative I feel like a lot of
people hop on the bandwagon and they
just run with it any kind of ruins of
reputation of certain people but when
you have proof in front of you it's kind
of hard to ignore and when you ignore it
that just means like you're accepting
the fact that he did these things you're
accepting the fact that this is his life
whether it was years ago or where there
was today he did it and it's gross and
it's disgusting so yeah you can cancel
people out how do you listen to someone
knowing that you know what has happened
in his life how do you how do you do
that how why are people so connected to
these people that they don't know I know
people that ride harder for these people
these public figures more than they ride
for their own family and it's gross and
it's ridiculous how do you even sleep at
night knowing that you support these
type of people this type of evil you're
like well whatever he makes good music
whatever yeah
whatever until he's creeping on your
child whatever takes keeping on your
needs enough for you god forbid that
happens to anyone ever again but even if
he's not doing it today he did it and
everybody knows it you know like how do
you move on from that how do you move on
from that you keep people that can move
on that easily frightened me I'm just
like they're they're all they're all in
with whatever I can't be that whatever
type of person is not
and it's just not right so yeah you can
cancel out people that you've grown to
love it's very easy and it's very simple
you just stop supporting them stop
supporting their movements you stop
supporting their actions and that's what
really hurts them whether they get jail
time or not what hurts them the most is
losing that fanbase because they built
their career off of a fan base once you
lose your fan base you're losing that
revenue you're losing all of the
finances that are coming in because
nobody's supporting it anymore and
that's how it should be you should lose
the fan base that built you because you
were living a completely separate
private life of Filth it's D disgusting
so that's pretty much all I had to say
about the cancel culture the cancel
culture is completely going to go into
another topic of the me2 movement on a
separate episode for the proving points
podcast but I just wanted to say like
you know when you cancel somebody out
guys you should really just go all-in
and go for it because at the end of the
day when you change your mind and you
switch up it becomes a thing and the
thing is to switch up and everybody
knows of the switch up and everybody
knows you're creating this timeline of
how long you can stay mad at somebody
how long you can be like okay I still
don't like him or her don't be so easily
forgiving when you have facts and we
have proof and we have the knowledge to
understand that it's not okay to be that
type of person you can't possibly be
comfortable with that
don't be so trendy to where you cannot
make up your own mind and go with your
own emotions and your own gut feeling of
who you should and should not rock with
this is ridiculous the cancel culture
is full of shit the cancel culture is
full of shit and I hope and pray that
one day as we cancel people out that we
stick to it that we really stick to it
because they'll cancel y'all out in a
minute okay it's a completely different
world lets mean what we say and say
what we mean thank you so much for
tuning into episode one of The Proving
Points Podcast of talking about why the
canceled culture is full of shit I am
your host Morgan Ashley and I will
catch you guys on the next episode peace
and love
