

### Frequently Asked Questions:

### Parents & Children

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### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Session 1

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### This ebook is a collection of answers given by Jesus (AJ Miller) on the topic of world religions. The answers were given in an interview with Justin Crick, who posed frequently asked questions from members of the media and public, on 15th April 2013 in Wilkesdale, Queensland, Australia. In this session Jesus answers questions about being a parent and raising children, including; defining the role of a parent, how we can imitate God in our parenting, how being a parent teaches us about God, more detailed questions about becoming a parent, and what our goals need to be as a parent, along with questions relating to soulmates and how this relationship may effect our children.

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Table of Contents

0. Introductory comments

1. Can you define the role of a parent?

2. How can we learn to parent as God does?

3. What is God's purpose for creating 'physical' parents for his children?

4. Can we learn about God through a process of being a parent?

5. What was God's intention in allowing us to become parents?

6. Should we purify our soul's condition before conceiving a child?

7. If we are blocked to God can we assist our children to know God?

8. Is it important that a child sees God as the real parent? What are the effects?

9. After God and our soulmate, are our family and children the most important

10. Would your child come before your relationship with God or Mary?

11. How does society's view on 'family' hinder our relationship with God?

12. How can I amend not teaching my children about God in their formative years?

13. If we hurt our children by not teaching them about God, how do we amend this?

14. What will a child born through a pure soulmate relationship look/act like?

15. How much does a parents' and soulmate's relationship impact their children?

16. What difference does it make to a child if the parents are soulmates or not?

17. Conclusion

0. Introductory comments

**Justin:** Okay, hello everybody, my name's Justin Crick. Today I'm here with Jesus, or AJ, to talk about the topic of parents and children. My interest in this subject is: I have two young boys aged eight and six, and I've gone down the track of working through some emotional stuff and trying to adopt the Divine Love Path in parenting as much as I can, or as much as I'm comfortable with at the moment. I've seen some really nice changes for myself and also for the boys, which is a big reason why I'm really interested in this topic and want to share this whole area.

So that's the primary reason that you want to do the interview.

**Justin:** Yes, I see a lot of parents struggling and having been through a bit of a process where I worked through some stuff and seen things change and get better, I see some parents that have these same issues that I had and I go, "Wow, it doesn't have to be like that, it can be different."

And you sort of run a group as well, like a parenting sort of a group.

**Justin:** Yes I sort of organise a bit of a get-together every so often, just when I feel like doing it, and I guess it's pretty good because we use the parenting handout that you've prepared previously as a guide. When you've got good concise material like that, it makes it a lot easier to actually run a group, but it's good and it challenges parents.

And there are quite a few questions from parents aren't there that we want to cover eventually. How many are there in total?

**Justin:** I'm only aware of forty-odd to start with and I know that there's a whole bunch more that I can add and other people can add. Today we'll just go through the first, say, dozen or so, depending on how we go for time and we'll do the other questions at another time.

No worries, sounds good Justin.

1. Can you define the role of a parent?

Well firstly I thought with this particular question that it's important for me to state that it's not up to me to define the role of a parent, because somebody else has already defined the role. So the real question really is, how has God defined the role of a parent? That to me is the most important question. Now God defines the role of a parent in unique ways that are not the same as what people on Earth define the role as parent. Obviously God's definition of the role of the parent is very different because God has a different perspective on parenting than what most people on the planet have as a perspective on parenting. God's perspective on parenting is this: God has made all these children; now there's literally billions and billions of children that God has made, and each of them need to incarnate in order to begin the process of individualisation.

In other words they've got to come to Earth and at least be introduced to life as an experience before they have any awareness of themselves, before they have any self-awareness, awareness of themselves as an individual. In other words they've got to go through a process. Now before they come, unlike most people believe and a lot of teachings about reincarnation state, they did not have a conscious existence of themselves. They existed as a soul, as half of a soul actually, but they didn't have a conscious awareness of themselves. However, in coming to the Earth they gain a conscious awareness of themselves. That is the whole point of coming to the Earth in fact.

Now bearing all that in mind, that means that God is their true parent, not us. All we've done is create their physical and spiritual bodies through the sexual process, so as 'parents' we are not really their parents. From God's perspective we're not their parents, God's their parent and we are the creators of the two forms, the physical and spiritual bodies through which they can experience life. In other words, God has involved us in the individualisation process by giving us the ability, through sexual procreation, the ability to create a physical and spirit body in order for this un-incarnated soul to connect to the physical and spirit worlds.

Now if we look at it from that perspective we can see that actually from God's perspective, we're not the parent, we're just the creator of two bodies and we didn't do very much to create that either. (Laughs) In some cases we did very little or next to nothing to create those two bodies and so from God's perspective we are not the child's parents. The child is God's child and we have, in fact, a different role. That role is to create the two bodies which the child will use. These two bodies will be used by the child, the soul of the child, to interface or connect with its experience of becoming individualised, it's experience of learning about itself. If you think about it from that perspective, then the way God defines the role of a parent is, we are only the creators of the vessels that the child will use for a specific period of time, some longer, some shorter, where it will learn to experience itself.

Now under that definition we can then ask other sub-questions. Okay, given that that's the case, how does God define the role of a physical parent, like, a person who's on Earth, who's had sex with somebody and created these two bodies into which the child has incarnated. Now I feel that that's a very important question, because there are lots of very important things that the parents' role if it's engaged correctly in harmony with love - what they would do. I feel that the first role that we have is to teach the child about what we have learned about God and the Universe; that's one of the roles that we have as a parent. Now that doesn't mean to force upon the child our belief systems, because if we are truly humble we will acknowledge that we don't know everything. Also, many of the things that we think we know, we actually don't know, and so to force those particular belief systems upon the child wouldn't be very advantageous, but it's important to share those particular things with the child.

Another role is to share - and this primary role - is to share love with the child. We want to teach the child in particular about love and the reason why we want to teach the child in particular about what we've learned about love, is that the whole Universe operates, all of God's Laws operate, on love as the underlying principle. So the more we can share with the child about love and teach the child about love, the more we are teaching the child about the Universe and about God and God's Laws.

The third thing that is very important - by the way these are not in order of importance that I'm listing them, these are just very important things that are a part of God's definition of the role of the parent, and I'm happy for you to ask individual questions about each one if you want to before I proceed to the next one.

**Justin:** Yes there are a couple ...

I know there are ... but we want to define the roles of a parent as a part of this question I feel.

**Justin:** So what's the point if our children, well we say 'our children' but they're not actually ...

Which is in itself not a very honest or true statement, they are not our children, they're God's children, which we've just created the vessel for. Now how do we say that properly? I don't know, using the English language, but it's very important to see that even the way we see our children is already incorrect, and that's the problem. Before we even begin parenting we've already begun by assuming they're our children, which is an invalid assumption and that is very important to understand. They are not our children, they're God's.

It's like you're being given the care of somebody else's child. (Laughs) What are you going to do with that? What would you choose to do with that, if it was you being given this care, because you've been given the care of two of them? What would you choose to do with that? Now one of the things I would choose to do as, if you like, surrogate, is to firstly show them who their real parent is. That would be one of the things I would definitely choose to do, to discuss with them the universe around them, how it's all governed by love and this is all a reflection about their real parent, who their real parent is.

**Justin:** But that's a pretty confronting thing I suppose for a parent, is to be told that you're not actually their parent, you're a surrogate.

Exactly.

**Justin:** Yes, and I know when I started to realise this I thought, "Wow, that's pretty big, like well, what's the point, why has God done it this way?"

Well I suppose that's another question we can ask and I think you've even got that in this list, but I feel we need to spend more time on this issue first of how God defines the role, because the reasons why God has done it, is separate to what we can do as parents I feel. It's very important that we understand from God's perspective the role of being a parent, rather than thinking about, like, "Why did God do it? What's the point of all of this?" first. That's a subsequent question I feel, which has valid answers of course, but I feel the more important questions are, "What is the definition of the role?" as you've asked in this question and as I've mentioned. I feel the first thing that's very important is introducing the child to the world, to the Universe and introducing the child to God, introducing the child to God's Laws, introducing the child to truth, introducing the child to love, introducing the child to humility, introducing the child to other things, that we have an eternal existence.

All of these other things need to be introduced to the child, not as a lecture, but through the parents' example of the parent learning these particular things and talking to the child about these kinds of things as the child is growing and not forcing the child to accept any of it either, because to do so would be out of harmony with the Laws of Free Will. It's a matter of sharing with the child. Now as a parent though, one of the primary roles and one of the primary things God has defined for us is that God has given a whole structure, if you like, under which the Universe operates and we could refer to that structure as God's Laws. All of God's Laws are loving. Now if we as a parent avoid setting up loving laws inside of our family, we are teaching the child to become rebellious to God's Laws.

So one very important role if you like, or definition of being the parent, is to actually teach the child that there are laws or constraints. If they are truly loving there are laws that are based around love that will guide their actions and there would need to be some kind of consequence if the Law of Love isn't actually upheld. Now God automatically engages these consequences, so we don't necessarily have to create any more laws than what God has created; all we need to do is make sure that the child sees the outcome of embracing the Law, which is always going to be happy and positive, or sees the outcome of rebelling against the Law, which is always going to result in pain and suffering, so whenever the child feels pain and suffering, the child understands that partly it's because of its own choice to do something that's breaking the Law.

Now of course to understand all of those principles it's important that the parent understands them yourself. (Laughs) And this is where I feel the big problem is with parenting on the planet at the moment. It is that the majority of parents have no idea about any of God's Laws, they have no idea about God's definition of love, they have no idea of what God's definition of truth is, they have no idea what it means to be humble and so it's almost impossible for them now to appropriately bring up their children and this is the problem that we have. To really bring up a child the parent is going to have to become far more humble generally than they currently are and realise all of these basic fundamental truths before they'll actually be able to appropriately absorb the role in which God has placed them, if you like.

**Justin:** So if the parent doesn't understand God's Laws and love basically, it's almost pointless trying to create your own set of pseudo-rules or a loving environment.

Yes, I wouldn't say it's ever pointless, because in the process you come to learn about love yourself through this interaction; this is what we'll discuss as you ask different questions. I don't feel it's ever pointless for the parent to set up rules or laws inside of their own household. I feel it's imperative that they understand how those rules apply to God's Rules or Laws and whether they're actually doing the same as God's. Now my feelings are, and these feelings are very strong when it comes to parenting, if you as a parent are not very sincere about finding out what God's Laws are and you're not very sincere about living in harmony with them, and you're not very sincere about doing the things that you need to do in order to embrace love in your life, then how can you ever expect your children to be sincere about those particular things?

To expect your child to do so would be hypocritical, so my suggestion to parents is, first thing if they're going to become parents, they need to analyse whether they are personally sincere about doing all of those things first. Now we can't expect our child to do something that we're not willing to do. Think about it: we are a child of God. If we're not willing to see God's definition of love and we're not willing to see God's definition of truth, and we're not willing to see God's definition of humility, and we're not willing to see a lot of things in God's Universal Law, now let's place this role where we're the parent, and imagine for a moment that we actually have a child which we don't actually have, and we've already mentioned that, but imagine that in our own mind we believe, "Oh, I've now got this newborn child", how can we ever expect that this child honours my law, that this child honours my definition of love, this child honours my definition of truth, this child becomes humble enough to accept my definition of things. If I have not done that with God, how can I then expect the child to do it with me? This is where I feel it's very important that we understand the role in which God has placed us by allowing us to create the physical and material bodies into which His child becomes incarnated, individualised.

Once we understand these basic principles in our own relationship with God, then we can inculcate them in our child. Don't go down the track then as a parent and say, "Oh I don't know what God's Laws are so I'm not going to give my child any." That would actually be a disaster for your life, which you'll find out very rapidly by the time the child's two years of age generally. You'll find out that you made some mistakes along that line because the child has no guidelines, no direction and often has complete control of the family by that stage and that would be a disaster for the rest of the family. In fact, for everyone in the family their free will would be impacted by one very spoilt child under those circumstances.

So we can't say, "Oh, because I don't know, and because I'm ignorant, I'm not going to do anything," and in fact this is one of the lessons of love. You can't choose to do nothing. That's one of God's lessons of love. Whenever you even choose to do nothing or think your child is going to do nothing, you've actually chosen something and there are laws involved when you choose things, that all have consequences. Some of the consequences are happy and some of the consequences are sad and painful, depending on whether they're happy, if we supported the law and lived in harmony with the law, or whether it was sad, where we broke the law. That's what causes the pain and suffering.

If we understand these underlying principles, we would never, as parents, go, "Oh I abdicate all responsibility for training this child in these particular laws," because you'll find that while the child is a very young child, just a few months old, usually by the time it's one year old, it will be bossing your entire life around and you'll feel the penalty of not taking such actions, which is a part of the consequence if you like, of breaking this Law of love with our child. It's not the loving thing to choose to abdicate responsibility for the child and particularly to abdicate responsibility for the child you drew into your life, through the creation of its bodies.

To abdicate responsibility is a very unloving thing to do and you'll definitely feel the consequences of the abdication if you continue with that kind of action. So I feel once we understand that God's desire is for us as parents to learn about what it feels like to be a parent, but also to inculcate in the child all of these different principles about God and God's Universe and God's nature and the Universe itself and how it works and all of these different things, that is the primary definition of the role of a parent from God's perspective. Now that's not my personal perspective, that's the perspective I've also, as a parent, because I had two children, had to come to terms with. I don't see my children, as the saying is, as my children. They are my brothers. I've got two sons and I see them as not my sons, they are my brothers and all I am is an older child of God, in other words I incarnated before them.

Now hopefully that means that I know a bit more than they do, but it's not always a guarantee, and in fact if I've spent little of my life investigating God's Laws, little of my life practising love, little of my life being humble and wanting truth, then it's highly likely that my children will know more about the Universe by the time they're two or three years of age than I will. In fact, if I continue to inculcate upon them my definition, I'll destroy their knowledge through this process. If I hold onto these concepts that I am the parent, I'm the boss, I'm the person that dictates what to do or say, then I am already out of harmony with love from God's perspective. It's interesting, I find, how many mothers and fathers say that to their children, particularly when they are in a rage because the child isn't doing something they want, "I'm your parent, you must listen to me", or "I'm your mother, how dare you. I brought you into the world."

No you didn't, through a process you made two bodies and sure, the mother's process was nine months, whereas the father is maybe a few minutes, (laughs) or perhaps even less than that sometimes, but the reality is, it is still not your parent, you are still not the child's mother. All you've done is cared for the physical and spiritual bodies of this child for nine months, that's all you've done, and you've got to get your mind and your feelings in perspective as to how God sees this whole process. Now when we do that, we truly care for the child because we know, "It's not mine, it's not ours, the child is God's," and as such it's a very deep responsibility to care for the child as God would care for this child.

2. How can we learn to parent as God does?

This is a very important question as well I feel. If you look at how God parents, God constructs a whole framework of Laws, and this framework of Laws impacts upon us physically, emotionally, spiritually and morally. These Laws all have results and consequences. Some of them are happy consequences, based upon whether we live in harmony with them and others are not so happy consequences; they are sad and cause pain and suffering when we live out of harmony with them. Now God never forces us to make a choice, never forces us to make a choice. God encourages us to make a positive choice, by having this feedback system as to what is loving and what is unloving and even if we make no choice, that is a choice. We're breaking some laws of omission, if you like.

There are sins of omission and sins of commission and by sin, I mean every time we sin, all we're doing is breaking the Law of Love - every time. There are sins, or breaking Laws of Love, that are sins of omission, in other words that we failed to do something that we should have done, and then there are sins of commission, which are that we did something that we shouldn't have done or did something that was out of harmony with love.

Now it's very, very important for us as parents to understand that this is what we need to help our children to understand as well. Unfortunately, if we don't understand it well, then obviously we're not going to be able to teach our child and this is where it's very important for us as parents to research about God and God's Laws and understand the framework of the Universe before we have children. Unfortunately again, for most people that doesn't happen. They have children before they understand the truth about the framework of the Universe and so now they've got to go through this learning process of their own while the child is there, and this is why a lot of parents feel completely at sea.

But if you think about that particular role of having the Law and understanding the Law, then of course we could make laws in harmony with God's Laws of Love and allow the child, through the process of decision-making and teaching the child in fact, how to make decisions that are in harmony with love and showing them, when the decision's out of harmony with love, what the consequences are. So, "Did you notice when you went up to that little child and stole his car, did you notice that you got a 'bop' in the nose? That's a consequence there of you breaking a Law of Love. You never asked the child and you never gave the child the ability to say no."

If you've only got a little toddler who's now just stolen somebody's car and they're having a big fight, a 'barny,' you've got the ability to reason with them at their level, as their parent, if you choose to do so. The problem for most parents is that they do not take the time to do this. To do this takes time and most parents are so busy doing everything else that they don't give themselves the time to reason with their children. As a result of that they enforce a law with punishment and we revert to violence, in terms of punishment, with our children because we're impatient about doing it the other way, which is God's way of doing it, by allowing the child to go through an experience and trying to show them through the experience that something is wrong.

**Justin:** So that's different to the parent seeing their child steal another child's car and then berating their child for doing that.

Yes. Obviously God doesn't berate them. What God's trying to do is show you through the consequence. Whenever you choose an action generally you instantly, if you're sensitive, feel the consequence of your action. You'll feel a positive consequence and go, "Wow, that was really good, that turned out really well." There's some feedback that you must have acted in harmony with love, assuming that there are no addictions involved, and then when you've got a negative consequence, you go, "Well wow, that was pretty painful, something must have been out of harmony with love there."

Now if we as parents do exactly the same thing with God's children that are placed in our care, then our children will learn very rapidly about love, or at least as much as what we know about it and they'll learn very rapidly about God, or at least as much as what we know about God and then once they get to four or five years of age and they've learnt all of those things, through their own experimenting and if we've helped them, allowed them to make mistakes without getting punished and so forth, now they'd be willing to experiment themselves. By that stage, by the time they're four or five years of age, almost all of their actions would already be in harmony with love, if we'd done the job.

That doesn't mean that they wouldn't choose to do all sorts of things that confront us, because as parents a lot of us want control, not love, and a lot of us want to dictate to the child what it does. Obviously that's a problem, but if we were truly engaged with the child in this manner, we would love that the child is independent by five years of age. What do we see on the Earth today? They're thirty five years of age and they're still not independent. (Laughs) And there's something wrong with that.

**Justin:** Yes, and that's a confronting thing. I've posed this question to parents before, "How would you feel if your child was five, six, seven, eight, with their soulmate living in harmony with God, being independent of you?"

Being independent of you, having their own house, attracting their own method of survival, knowing more than you do, (laughs) happier than you are, and so forth. I would suggest that the majority of parents would have a meltdown about that and would try to get control, what they feel is control, of the whole situation. Now God's not like that. God doesn't try to get control of our situation. Even when we're on the path down the road to iniquity, God's still not trying to get control of the situation. All God's trying to do is demonstrate to us the pain and suffering that we're creating in our own life through our choices. So the reality is yes, I agree that most parents would be severely conflicted with this kind of concept, where the child by the time it's eight knows more than most people with a university degree would know because it has the ability to absorb information that rapidly.

It knows multiple languages, it knows who its soulmate is, it knows what the loving thing to do is in most situations and the reality is that the child would probably be confronting the parents' unloving behaviour most of the time by this stage and so most parents would maybe feel a degree of anger and (laughs) rage towards their child under those circumstances unfortunately. The reality though is, if we inculcate the child with these issues of love, truth, humility, respect for law and these kinds of things that are all harmonious with love and they see the relationship between Law and positive outcomes and Law and negative outcomes if we break the Law, then they will grow up very harmonious with God's environment, very harmonious with the point of their creation and also, even more importantly, they will be left to find themselves through this particular process, because now they understand that the way to find yourself is to bring your life into harmony with love. That's how you discover your true self, your true nature, your true personality that God created and if we give them that gift they will always remember who gave them that gift, but if we take that gift away from them, which is what most parents on this planet at the moment do, then in the end as adults they often think of us with a lot of resentment and unfortunately a lot of pain.

**Justin:** Yes, that's one of the big things that I see by dealing with your own stuff. When you deal with your own stuff your children change straight away and it sets them free, is the term that I like, it's like you release them from your own invisible constriction that you have on them and you see them change and they open up.

Most parents I feel, at this point in time, don't understand this underlying principle that everything I've just talked about is not about what you say to them, it's about the feelings that come from your soul on these issues. You can say to them, "Look, you obey God's Law," but if you're rebellious against God's Law, what you're really teaching your child is to be rebellious against God's Law. It's like a man who's smoking away with his cigarette saying, "Don't you ever smoke." Well he's not teaching them to not smoke, he's teaching them, "I'm smoking so you can;" that's what he's teaching them. We need to understand that emotionally we're doing this to our children.

While I hold onto specific emotions, I am teaching my child to hold onto those same emotions. While I'm holding onto different belief systems that are out of harmony with love, I'm teaching my child to have those belief systems even if intellectually I'm thinking something else. This is where it's important to understand how the soul operates. The soul of the child operates or functions in the same way that ours does and that is, that what is inside of us emotionally is dictating our belief systems and these other things are dictating what we do with our life.

So in terms of what God would wish us to do under those circumstances, it is, "Do what God does." How does God treat you? God doesn't berate you every time you make a mistake, so don't berate your child every time they make a mistake. God doesn't punish you every time you make a mistake that's out of harmony with love; however there is a consequence. There's a Law that there's always a consequence of acting out of harmony with love and God's Laws are all proportional. In other words, if you break a little law, there's a little consequence, if there's a big law that you break, there's a big consequence, and we need to impose the same kind of principles in our family. There's a big consequence every time that you break the Laws of Love, and if you break a smaller Law, even just a physical Law, then there's only a small consequence. We get to understand what's going on and to be honest; there is no need for us as parents to impose a greater consequence than what God's already imposing.

There's no need for me as a parent to construct more laws than what God's constructed in terms of bringing up my child. What I need to do instead is show the child that this Law exists and show the child how the consequence occurred when they broke it and that requires me explaining things, it requires me demonstrating through my own actions and this is where I feel a lot of parents resist the process, because most of the time they're trying to control the child because they've got a reduction in time themselves. They are always time-constrained, most parents, and as a result they enforce the law through a penalty system that is often far exceeding God's consequence system and in the end also encourages, in fact, the child to fear the parent.

So instead of the child feeling love for its own parent that created its two bodies and then feeling love as a result of that for God, God is now someone they're afraid of because now they are also afraid of the parents who are acting on God's behalf, and that's obviously a very negative thing to do. We want to provide an environment for the child where the child can explore its own nature to the fullest degree without limitation or, to put it more clearly, explore it to the fullest degree with the only limitation being that they act in harmony with love. If that was done, then a lot of people would find they'd have very lovely children; they'd also have very lovely teenagers by the time these children became teenagers and by the time the children became adults they'd be very lovely adults.

**Justin:** Yes that'd be nice, and maybe for the parents, I've been through this process of trying to change my children without changing myself first and it doesn't work at all.

Particularly if you're trying to come to God. Nothing works at all and this is why a lot of people who are religious, for example, find that their children are in complete rebellion, because they are trying to force their religion on their child and that is already breaking one of the Laws. The consequence of that is that you will cause rebellion. The child will automatically go into rebellion as a consequence of your attempt to force the child into your belief system and every time you do that, you're not honouring the free will of the child.

Now the child feels that you're not honouring its free will as a natural consequence of your action, and as a result of that tries to rebel against it, just like you do when somebody else doesn't honour yours. In the end, if we've got rebellious teenagers, the only person who's created the rebellious teenager is the parent and they've created it by or through their actions that have been out of harmony with God's Laws, even if they believe that such actions were in harmony with God's Laws, and this is the problem that we have as parents.

We often see the results of what we're doing going negatively. We see that the consequences of what we're doing are not working and instead of going to ourselves, "Well maybe there's something inside of me that's causing this direction to be taken by the child," we go, "Oh, bloody child." You know, it's got its own personality which God gave it as a gift by the way, and it's got its own will and we've not honoured these things and now we're condemning the child, now we're angry with the child. Now who's being unloving?

**Justin:** We've taught them something and then we're punishing them.

Yes, and then we're punishing them for taking actions based on what we taught them. That's pretty unfair; that's like a double punishment. Firstly we've taught them something that's wrong and then on top of that we're punishing them for doing what is the natural occurrence, or the natural result of them following our previous ideals and then we blame them for that. And then we say, "That's a terrible personality," or "That's a terrible child." I heard one woman say, "My daughter was bad from the moment she was born," like Phfff, that is the indication of a parent who has no idea whatsoever about what they've done, none whatsoever. No humility, no desire to know any truth about love at all, if they can believe such a thing.

Now the child, if it's crying from the moment it's born, is immediately reflecting the parents' condition, immediately, and this is beautiful. This is telling the parent, "You're out of alignment with love here, the child can't even think yet and already its responding with pain and suffering, which is an indication that you're in a lot of pain and suffering that you're in denial of as a parent and once you realise that, you have the power to change it. If you don't realise that you'll seek medication, you'll seek advice, medical or otherwise and you'll go through long-winded processes that will never resolve to the outcome of actually helping this child go into a state of personal calm so that it's able to experience itself without having to constantly experience your oppression from your emotional condition.

**Justin:** And that's pretty powerful thing as a parent to understand, that you can change how they are or what they're doing. You can change yourself and ...

I feel that once most parents explore that and experiment with that, they'll find, "Wow, yes, I've dealt with an emotion. Wow, look at the result that's had on that child. Like, before I was trying to push it around and control it and everything and I just deal with that emotion and now the child's beautiful. Like, what's gone on there?" Well what's gone on is that the child's no longer experiencing something from you.

Of course there's not just the parent that's part of the environment. You've got to remember that these children are surrounded by spirits too and the way the child acts is also being dictated to by spirits and so it could be that you've got a problem with the spirits, that you need to sort yourself out. There are all sorts of issues that are potentially the problem, but again if you learn about it you have a much greater ability to actually heal the process than what most parents on this planet currently even conceive. Most parents on the planet feel that every child... by the time you have two children you realise that every child that's born has different personality, (laughs) as you know, and so most parents think, "Oh, it's just the personality of the child that's dictated how the rest of their life turned out."

Not at all. Every time the child acted out of harmony with love, what dictated that was the parent's emotions and parent's feeling and the parent's belief systems, most of which the parent believes are true; that's the problem. The problem is they think they're right when they're actually wrong, and this is where it takes a lot of humility as a parent. To be a good parent you need to be a very humble person, because you will realise that when this child is very, very young and unable to intellectually decide things for itself and it's in a lot of pain and suffering or creating a lot of pain and suffering for you, that it's a direct reflection of what's going on inside of yourself. If you understand that you have the power to change it, but if you don't understand that, you don't have the power to change.

**Justin:** So you can see it quite clearly. You can see something going on with your child and you can feel yourself going, "Yes that child, that's out of harmony with love and I don't feel that way, but when you explore that within yourself a bit more, you end up realising, "Wow, that child is totally reflecting how I really feel about that."

Exactly. See, most of the time as adults we've learnt to lie to ourselves first. We've learnt to lie to ourselves about what we truly feel, so a lot of people by the time they've become parents have lied to themselves so much that they now believe their own lies. This is a problem, because if we believe, emotionally and intellectually believe, that we don't have specific emotions inside of us that we actually have, that creates the reality of our life.

Now if we've become a parent, we'll see all of these things naturally being acted out in our child and unfortunately we'll tell ourselves, "I don't believe that." I've seen many women for example when they've got small child toddler age, the child just goes up and hits another child, and the woman goes up and maybe even punishes the child and says, "How dare you, you shouldn't do that," not understanding that the parent herself actually had that emotion toward that child, or toward that child's parents, that the child was just acting out or acting upon. The child doesn't know what it's doing, it hasn't got an intellectual cognizance of its action, particularly as it's not intellectually fully developed until it's seven years of age.

If it's two or something and it's really just beginning its intellectual development in a lot of ways and yet it's still acting out something, many of the women in those situations I've seen go, "Oh, I don't know why my child's like that." Well, yes I do, I can see the same emotion inside you. (Laughs) It's pretty clear, and the child is reflecting back at you with clarity what's really going on. This is one of the beauties of having a child, which we can talk about with you, with further questions. But getting back to the issue of how God trains the child. God trains the child by this system of Laws which are all based around love and God would love the child to be able to receive Love, but again that has to start with the child's longing for that Love. Now if as a parent we are blocked towards God and blocked towards longing for God's Love, then we are automatically imposing that blockage on our child. This is a problem if you think about it, you could say, if as a parent I am blocking God's Love.

Let's say I think I am not worthy of God's Love. Then my soul is telling my child, "You're not worthy of God's Love either." I can say, "Oh God loves you," to the child, I can say it, but I don't feel the hypocrisy of that. That emotion is in the child by now generally, where the child doesn't feel that God's going to love it either and so the child won't ask. The child won't embrace the process of desire to have a relationship with its true parent God. We can tell our child to do this or do that, or do this or do that, but in the end if our emotions are completely opposite...

Now another example: many parents are in complete rebellion to God's Laws. So here I am as a parent in complete rebellion to God's Laws and I'm telling my child that it has to come to acknowledge God's Laws. I've heard through lectures or whatever, what God's Laws are, and so I try to tell my child about God's Laws. The child is not going to take any notice whatsoever. What it's going to take notice of is, "What does its parent think are God's Laws?" and if the parent wants to rebel against God's Laws all the time, what do you think the child is going to finish up doing? It's going to do the same thing. Eventually it's going to rebel against God's Laws, but it's also going to rebel against the parent's laws (laughs) to demonstrate to the parent what it feels like to be the creator of someone who then rebels against you.

Which is exactly what they are doing with God and so there's a whole series of things that we need to take into account when we ask the question, "How does God train us? How can I train my child the way God would train the child?", Unfortunately the reality in this day and age is that if care, in terms of physical nurturing, was given to the child and the parent did nothing else, often the child would grow up in a better condition than through what parents are currently doing.

Now I'm not suggesting that that is the answer. I'm suggesting that the answer is for the parent to look at all of their blockages, look at all their blockages to emotion, their blockages to love, their blockages to truth, their blockages to humility, because if they don't look at their blockages their child's going reflect every single one of them and it becomes a nightmare, as you know, sometimes being a parent when you've just got constant moment after moment, after moment, after moment, the child showing back to you all the things (laughs) you're in denial of.

**Justin:** Yes, reflecting 24/7, and if you're not open to seeing that, or you don't want to see it, then it gets pretty confronting. Yes, I still do it.

And then you wonder, "What the hell's going on with my life?" Like, "What a mess this is," and then you realise, and if you're a wise parent you'll realise very early in the piece, "Ah, this is something going on with me," and then by the time the child is seven years of age and you've got a fairly developed intellect and by the time it's fourteen or sixteen years of age and developed itself emotionally quite well as well, and by that stage developing sexually, and by the time it's nineteen, twenty and developed emotionally, sexually and physically, then you'll find the child will automatically act in harmony with love, not because you taught it to, but because it has the relationship with God. It desires to act in harmony with love, so it does what it wants, but what it wants is in harmony with love. That's the ideal situation but I've never seen anyone on the planet reach that ideal situation.

3. What is God's purpose for creating 'physical' parents for his children?

**Justin:** What is God's purpose for creating the process as He has? That is, why did he create it so that we become physical 'parents' for his children?

Yes, this is a very good question. Why did God involve us in parenting of His own children, is really the question isn't it? Really what God is trying to do is teach us a lot of things about love through this process, things that we might not have learned if we weren't involved in the process of parenting ourselves. Now if I can maybe give a few illustrations of some of those things: When you become a parent and if your children ever run away, or they even completely disown you, one of the things you realise as a parent of that process is that you still love them and you'd still love to have them back, and if you're a loving parent you won't be angry with them but you'll still want them to come back.

Now this is something that God wants with us. God doesn't punish us for running away from God. God's not one of these vindictive, violent parents who wants to put the child in a box for the rest of its existence, or force the child to have a relationship with the parent. God's not like that, but also God still has feelings of Love for that child. Even if the child is completely rebellious, God still has feelings of Love for the child, immaterial as to whether it's rebellious or not. Now when you go through that process as a parent, you'll come to see that God feels the same about you. Every time you've rebelled, God hasn't wanted to punish you; God hasn't wanted to make your life a living hell, as some parents unfortunately nowadays want to do to their children when they disobey them.

Instead God allows the person to make the choice and hopes that they come back at some point in the future, hopes that they return to Him and still continues to love them. This is an expression of how God Loves. Once you've been through that example, if you like, of love, then as a person you'll be able to think, "Ah, this is how God loves me." Through this process of helping you be a parent, by creating the potential that you can create the physical body and spiritual bodies of the child and draw this half of the soul to you and be involved in an interaction with it, God's exposing to you all of these Truths about love. Also, interestingly enough, the personality of the child will be the perfect personality to expose certain things within you that are out of harmony with love. Once you start seeing all of that, you start realising how much love and care God has for you, trying to show you through this creative process how God feels about you and how God therefore feels about the child, or the physical and spiritual bodies of the child that the child has incarnated into, that you've brought into your life through this process.

God's showing us so many things through this process of involving us in the process of creation. Now most parents resist almost everything that God's showing them, through that process, so whenever the child cries the parents are beating their heads against a brick wall saying, "Oh there's something wrong with the child." No it's not, the child's crying because there's something wrong with the parents. (Laughs) If you look at a baby animal for example, when it's fully nurtured by its mother or parent, it has no grief whatsoever.

We were just nursing a little baby kangaroo yesterday, not an ounce of worry, fear, concern, anything in this baby kangaroo, obviously because it didn't receive any of those emotions from its parent, but how does a human child arrive into the world? Well oftentimes kicking and screaming and crying and crying, lots and lots after that as well. Why is that? Because there's something going on with the parent or parents. This is something that we need to see; that our emotional condition, our belief system, the things that are in us that are out of harmony with love have a large effect on the outcome of what happens to our child.

Now God's trying to show us that, show us the power, positively and negatively, of our own emotional condition. Involving us in this creative process is one of the most rapid ways to see that particular Truth. It's very, very powerful to be involved in the process as a parent, to be involved in this process of having a child and then having reflected to you, and being humble enough to see everything reflected to you that the child is going through, as something that's out of harmony with love inside of yourself, or collectively inside of both parents.

4. Can we learn about God through a process of being a parent?

**Justin:** Is there a relationship between God as our parent, and us learning about God through a process of being a parent ourselves?

Well certainly, there's always this relationship and as we also explained in the previous question, this relationship is a key part of our development. How do you learn how to love when nobody has ever taught you how to love? Well obviously it's very difficult. Now if we as a parent learn how to teach our child how to love, then our child will grow up knowing how to love and therefore find it quite easy to love, quite easy to love a partner, quite easy to love their children, quite easy to love their friends, and quite easy to love all humanity, even people they view as their enemies. They're going to actually find it quite easy to love them, if they've been brought up in this environment.

Now that's the environment God's been attempting to bring us up in, but we've been rejecting all of God's indications. However, the beauty is, by giving us this ability to procreate and have God's children come to us, we now have another opportunity to learn the things we didn't learn or get taught as a child. Many of us were never taught how to love as a child. Even though our parents would say that they did teach us, it was completely out of harmony with God's principles about love. We become a parent and now God's giving us another opportunity to learn about love through the reflections from the child that we're getting back to ourselves to see what's out of harmony with us. We've got all these opportunities. The beauty of God involving us in the process is, not only do we learn about God, and God's nature with us, but we also learn through our children how to see ourselves as we really are and not as we want to believe ourselves to be or what our parents created us to be.

It has a double effect, on both ends if you like. At one end it's teaching us about God, and at the other end it's teaching us about ourselves and about love, this process of having a child of God come into our lives. It's a very powerful process because of that. Now most parents are so overwhelmed by that process that they can't believe that God's teaching us anything through it. A lot of parents give up any concept that God's teaching us anything through this process of being a parent and in fact they come to the point where they're just trying to endure being a parent. Now I suggest to any parent who's just trying to endure being a parent, that is already in severe disharmony with the Laws of Love. Also, because of this emotion, they're demonstrating that they are not humble, that they are not willing to have some self-examination and be taught what God's trying to teach them.

What God's trying to teach them through involving them in this process is, God's trying to teach them about God, God's trying to teach them about themselves and God's trying to teach them about love. Through the process of having a child, there are so many things being taught and if the parent is only reverting back to feeling overwhelmed and always feeling under pressure as a parent, then that is the measure of their complete resistance to all of the things that God is trying to teach them through the process of being involved in bringing up God's children.

5. What was God's intention in allowing us to become parents?

**Justin:** So, what is the gift of parenting? What was God's intention in allowing us to become parents?

Well, I feel the true gift of parenting... there are so many gifts to ourselves becoming a parent, probably more gifts to ourselves than there are to the child initially. The gift to ourselves is that we now have another opportunity. The first opportunity is when we grew up in our own family to learn about love. Now, becoming a parent, we're being given the gift of another opportunity to learn about God, to learn about love, to learn about truth, to learn about humility. We're being given this gift by God again, by God involving us in this procreative process, but we also have the ability as parents to give a gift to the child. God is also allowing us to express our soul by giving gifts to the child and helping the child come to understand certain things.

Now the biggest gift we can give to the child is helping the child understand itself and understand everything about the use of its will, the power that it has within itself. This is a wonderful gift that, as a parent, we can give our child. So God's giving us gifts through the process of our becoming a parent, and we have the ability to choose to give a gift, many gifts, to our child, the same kinds of gifts that God has given to us, through the process, if we choose to be humble and if we choose to come to understand God's Laws. Of course, through our choices we also have the ability to harm our child and this is, in a way, a gift as well, because as the child becomes harmed, if we're not willing to examine the fact that we are the cause of its harm, then when will we ever change?

If we can't change for the sake of our child's pain, when are we ever going to change? This is another gift. There's the gift of being shown that if I'm the creator of the pain of somebody I love, then I must have a lot of unloving emotions within myself that's creating their pain, and this is something that we have to come to terms with. So there are all these gifts, there are gifts coming from God to us, there are these gifts that we can have going from us to the child and then there's the third set of gifts and that is, the gifts the child gives us through this process of parenting.

Now the child has been attracted to us and its personality and nature is a specific personality and nature that will help us become more loving if we engage the process and this relationship with our child in humility. This is the gift that our child gives to us, even though the child is unaware. The child gives us this gift through this process of our coming to understand ourselves better, in other words our coming to understand the use of our own free will. We're not only helping the child to understand the use of its will, but the child through its personality and nature is helping us to come to understand how we can better examine and engage our own free will in harmony with love, so there are gifts flying around everywhere. (Laughs) There are gifts from God to us, there are gifts from us to the child and then there are gifts from the child to ourselves.

**Justin:** And it's so easy to skip over ... all of that, most of it.

There's also another set of gifts, if I can say that about the child. The child has been designed with a unique, personality and nature. There is no other person in this Universe that has the same personality and nature as your child, just like there is no other person in this Universe that has the same personality and nature as yourself. Every time you give the gift to the child of allowing it to discover and use its own individuality and its own free will, the child is then giving the gift of itself to the world.

The world will become a better place through the child being present in it. So now in the process of all these gifts that have been given, God gets to expose another part of God's personality and nature through the personality and nature of the child if the child is not suppressed in its will. If the child is allowed to develop its free will, and develops this free will in harmony with love, the child will come to express itself in such a manner that is unique, that is driven completely by its own personality in the world and as a result, everyone in the world will get to recognise a quality of God that nobody would have recognised before that child arrived and so you're giving the gift of the child to the world and that's a powerful gift as well. Even after the child passes into the spirit world every new dimension will receive the gift of that child's nature.

Unfortunately, if the child's in a terrible condition, it'll just be the hells that receive the gift of that child's nature, but if the child's in an improved condition of love then it will be the second sphere that will receive the gift of that child's nature, the third sphere and so forth, and every time that child now progresses to those different dimensions, which they can do while on Earth, they will through this process actually give the gift of their personality and nature to the dimension in which they live and that means that anybody who meets them will receive the gift of their personality and nature.

But if we suppress the child, then we're not allowing the child to give the gift of itself to the world. We're not even allowing ourselves to receive the gift of the child's personality and nature in our own family. As a result we will heavily suppress the child and it might take many years before the child is able to give the gift of itself to the world as a result.

**Justin:** So one of the greatest gifts a parent can give their child is for them to allow them to discover who they are.

Exactly and also, not only allow them, but assist them actively in discovering who they are, so when you notice a personality or thing within the child that the child is engaging, instead of suppressing its personality and nature, what we'd be doing instead is engaging its personality and nature in that regard. So if there's a boy and he starts dancing and he decides he wants to be a ballerina, instead of shutting that all down because we want him to be a football player, we would encourage him in those particular pursuits, because that's part of his nature coming out.

We wouldn't dictate his nature by our own desires or experience anymore, we would notice the particular things that the child wishes to engage and we ourselves will actually actively encourage them to engage that particular thing, given the resources and time and other things that we have at our availability. If you imagine that kind of a world, none of us would grow up with a fear of making a mistake, a lot of us would have engaged many abilities and natural desires that we have, for music, for the arts, for all sorts of areas of scientific endeavour and so forth. We would have already engaged it by the time we're seven years of age.

We wouldn't have been restricted by our parents in the engagement of those particular things. That's the parent helping the child give the gift of itself to the world. Through the gift of the parent helping the child by honouring its free will, the parent is helping the child understand itself; we're giving the gift to the child of complete autonomy, of self-discovery _._ That is a very powerful gift, if you can imagine. Imagine that all of us had been given that gift. Many of us by the time we're fifteen would have been very, very successful people in life, because of all of these gifts that we've been given.

Unfortunately it hasn't worked out that way, because parents and society have very strong restrictions that are out of harmony with love that they place upon the child and as a result we bear the consequence of that in that we don't ever get to see what the child could have been, until much, much later, until the child works through all of those issues. We never get to see what the child could have been; we only get to see what we force them to be and that's very, very different to what the child could have been. So there are gifts everywhere. (Laughs)

**Justin:** Yes, I just had this little vision of all these kids running around dancing and playing and ...

Yes, and understanding Law, understanding principles of love, not interacting with each other violently, understanding the principles of love and truth, understanding how that affects their life and so forth. It's a beautiful image, but it's only possible if the parent has more humility, if the parent actually sees its own impositions upon the child and its own belief systems and the impact that it's having on the child. This is the gift we give the child. If we deal with all of those false beliefs, if we deal with all of the unlovingness within ourselves and we don't just intellectually change, but we actually feel something different when we've dealt with it, what happens is that the child grows up to learn how to express itself in a completely free environment and it's highly likely under those circumstances that the child will choose love in every situation. They are very powerful gifts that everyone receives through this process of becoming a parent.

6. Should we purify our soul's condition before conceiving a child?

**Justin:** What are the 'right' conditions to become a parent? Is it correct to think, if I am now aware of my injuries, that it would be best to wait and purify my soul's condition before conceiving a child?

Yes, well I understand the underlying desire for the question itself. I feel that the person asking it is avoiding a lot of very basic issues. Basically what they're suggesting is that we should wait to become a parent until we've cleared away all of our emotional injuries. Now if everyone on the Earth did that, the reality is that the subsequent result would be that we'd have no children for an entire generation, (laughs) because nobody would actually be able to give birth to a child that is free of any injuries, when the parents themselves are not free of any injuries. Taking that kind of approach is really quite a silly approach and it's a very illogical approach as well.

A far better approach is this: to understand, to have a child because of just one reason, and that is that you desire to have one, and to be humble to the process of all the gifts that are going to result, as a result of receiving this child into your world. In the previous question - I think question five, wasn't it? - you asked, "What are the gifts that are involved?" Well, if the parent understood all of those gifts and was completely humble to the experience of all of those gifts, then the parent would not be afraid of having a child in their current condition. What they would do is, they would deal with every issue as it arises, that's what they would do.

Now most parents are totally freaked out about that possibility, of dealing with every issue as it arises, and so they want to clear away some things first. However, the problem is that their life hasn't cleared away those things up to that point, so that means they are already pretty resistive to clearing away those particular aspects of their life. So instead of that my suggestion would be, "Okay, open yourself up. If you desperately or would dearly like to have a child and you sincerely desire to engage in the kind of parenting that we're suggesting in this interview and in the FAQ's, then my suggestion is to become a parent and be humble to the process. That would be a far better outcome than choosing to not become a parent until you become humble." The reality is, a child will teach you to become humble far more rapidly than you're probably willing to become humble yourself, as you know. (Indicates to Justin)

**Justin:** Yes I know that one.

So any parent who has any degree of sincerity knows that, knows that in terms of when they engage this beautiful process of bringing a child into their life, once they engage that process they know that that child has taught them so many things that they would not have understood before then. Now if you are completely able to be open to that process, you could have a child in any condition. Why would you wait? The only reason to wait is desire. If you don't have a desire to have a child, don't have one, because the problem with not having a desire is that you will not love the child. You'll see the child as a responsibility, as a burden, and these emotions teach the child terrible things.

If you do not have a desire to have a child, do not have one. If your husband or wife does not have a desire to have a child and you do, don't force them to have a one, because whatever happens to that particular child, it will have absorbed these emotions from these parents and they are destructive emotions that cause lots of emotional damage to the child.

So do not ever have a child unless you have a desire to have one. Do not choose to, and there's a saying, "The only form of contraception that works is abstinence," and if you were truly sincere, you would perhaps abstain from sex under those circumstances, until you work through the reasons why you don't want to have a child. Why would you engage sexually with somebody, knowing that the outcome is potentially a child, when you don't want one? That's a very selfish engagement of sexual activity. What you need to do is be prepared for the fact that a child could come along.

Now if you're not prepared for the fact that a child will come along when engaging with someone sexually, then you need to prepare yourself, because there is a potentiality, no matter what contraception you use, of it happening. And so my suggestion to people is, "Work through the emotional feeling as to why you don't want a child in your life. Work through those kinds of feelings and issues before you engage sexually with people, or with one partner hopefully. Before you engage sexually, do not expect that there will not be a child coming, because sooner or later something will happen and a child will come. This is the underlying cause of people having abortions and so forth, because they don't want the child under certain circumstances and this has a terrible effect.

We won't go into abortion at present, but it has a terrible effect on the psyche and emotional nature of the child who's aborted, who's now arrived in the spirit world completely rejected from its parent. This has a terrible effect on its future for long years in the spirit world. It is far better, if you don't desire to have a child, to not engage in sexual activity until you do have a desire to have a child, or if you're engaging in sexual activity, deal with the potentiality that you will be having a child and be open and humble to what happens as a result of that particular thing, instead of trying to abort the child and get rid of the child, just so that you don't have to be humble to what you've created.

**Justin:** Okay, so following on from that, are you suggesting that we don't have sex at all if we are in a relationship, if we don't want a child?

No I'm not suggesting that sex is for procreation only. In fact, God's created our sexual organs for pleasure, and sex has been created not only for procreation, but also for our pleasure in a relationship. The key is what the attitude of the parents is towards the potential of a child coming into the relationship. If the attitude of the parents is that they do not, under any circumstances, want to have a child in the relationship and they would be willing to get rid of that child through an abortive process in order to prevent them from having a child in the relationship, then my suggestion is, that their sexual activity is very selfish and only self-oriented and also very damaging. Their potential choices after that would be very damaging to any child that was brought into the relationship through some kind of accidental pregnancy. So I'm suggesting that we need to get our emotions in harmony with love when it comes to our sexual activity, that's what I'm suggesting.

I'm suggesting that we need to have a sincere look at our feelings toward any potential child that may arise into the relationship and the reality is, if our feelings towards the child were that negative, then we need to seriously consider not engaging in sex until we've addressed those particular feelings. Now that might take a week or a month or ten years, it depends on our willingness to address those feelings.

I know many men who don't want to have a child at all or ever again, and women who do not want to have a child ever again, and this is one reason why we probably use contraceptives, to try prevent such a thing, but if our attitude is one that if a child came into the relationship through our invitation, because it's always through our invitation in the end, no matter whether we're single or married, or have a partner, would we want to love and desire this child? Because if we would not, we need to seriously consider why we're in engaging in sex at all.

If we would, let's call it 'accidentally', though it's not much of an accident (laughs) - it's pretty obvious what causes pregnancy - if we accidently become pregnant and we'd be prepared to reject the child on becoming pregnant, then we need to sincerely examine all of our motives for such a feeling given towards the child and all of our motives for having sex as well. All need to be examined if we're truly sincere about this particular issue. So my feelings are, while a couple might not care either way if they get pregnant and they might still be having some kind of contraception that's not abortive, in order to prevent pregnancy, that doesn't mean that their attitude could be out of harmony with love. Like, if their attitude is in harmony with love they would have the feeling in them that if they became pregnant they would desire the child in their life and they'd be humble to the actual consequences of the child's arrival and all of the emotions that would subsequently result. If they are not humble to those particular things there is a high likelihood that they'll want to abort the child, or want to prevent the child through some abortive mechanism, and unfortunately that would have its own consequences, through the lack of love, upon the parents who were engaged in that process. So I'm suggesting that if we're going to truly love both our partner and any potential children that come along, we need to be prepared to love them in our hearts before we engage in sexual activity.

We need to be prepared to have the results of such activity should it occur. I'm not suggesting that procreation is the only purpose for sexual activity, but what I'm suggesting is, we need to understand that it is a potential outcome of such, and therefore if we were truly responsible and we truly loved, we would address any emotions inside of us that would cause us to have any negative feelings towards the child that may be attracted to us, even as a potential pregnancy. If we were truly sincere we would address those particular emotions; that's what I am suggesting.

7. If we are blocked to God can we assist our children to know God?

**Justin:** How can a child learn to have a relationship with and/or connection to God, when their parents are blocked to God? How can we best assist our children from this place?

Well that's a very good question. The answer is, they can't. (Laughs) If a parent is blocked towards God, the child will find it very, very difficult to develop a relationship with God, except under one or two circumstances. Let's assume for a moment, that the parent is blocked to God. The parent does not have a relationship with God and also has some feelings about God that they don't want a relationship with God and the child comes into the parent's world. Now as long as that parent is not imposing its emotional condition upon the child and not forcing the child through some emotional method of coming to the same conclusions as the parent, then the child will be relatively free to start engaging a relationship with God in its own right.

But if the parent in any way imposes emotionally on the child, or in any way imposes its belief systems on the child, it will severely restrict the child from developing a relationship with God and therefore probably in the end, result in the child not having a relationship with God. It just really depends, not upon the injury being released from the parent, as much as the injuries imposing the parent's will upon the child being released from the parent.

When the parent imposes its own will and emotions upon the child through its activities and through its actions and through its feelings, then the child will probably conform to the parent's belief systems. Now if the parent is braver than that, and also more humble than that and recognises that it has belief systems that may be out of harmony with love, and refuses to impose those belief systems upon the child, then the child has a much greater capacity to develop a relationship with God, even if the parent does not have one.

However what we notice in society generally is that if the parent does not have a relationship with God, it often has very strong emotional reasons for not having such relationship and of course it then attempts to impose those emotional reasons and belief systems upon the child. That is not giving the child the freedom to make its own choice on the matter, but rather the child already has an emotional feeling inside of the child, that if it has a relationship with God, it will incur the displeasure or disapproval of its parent and that's not allowing the child to be free to develop its own relationship with God, if it so desires. It's very hard for a parent with emotional injuries with God to allow a child to develop a relationship with God without having some emotional injuries with God.

This is why it's imperative that parents address their emotional injuries with God, whatever they are, and their desire to rebel against God, whatever their reasons are. It's imperative that the parents address these particular issues and this is something that we must understand as parents. We might believe that we are capable of dealing with something with equality and dealing with something with no projection of control and dealing with something with complete openness; while we maintain a certain perspective inside of ourselves, that is actually physically impossible. It's physically impossible to not have some kind of effect on our child based on what we believe. This is very important. We must understand as parents that our belief systems and our emotions are very important.

We must understand that if we do not desire to bring them into harmony with absolute truth, there will be a negative effect on our child and it is unavoidable. We've got to see this relationship, that if we choose to stay in our current condition, were we're out of harmony with love and out of harmony with truth, and out of harmony with humility, if we choose that condition actively, or we refuse to develop from that condition, we are automatically harming our child, whether we believe we are or not. It's very important as a parent that we understand that underlying principle. It is unavoidable. We cannot hope to make our child believe things, or feel things, or even allow our child to believe or feel things, that we ourselves are not allowing within ourselves.

It's an unavoidable process; we will impose upon this child who's developing our rules, not God's. We will impose on the child who's developing our truth, not God's, we will impose on the child whose developing our version of love and not God's, and it's imperative that we give that up. If we're truly humble as a parent we would desire to give it up, even if it's not for our own sake, at least for the sake of the child.

**Justin:** Yes, so would it be fair to say that 'parenting' - I'll use that word - is pretty simple if you want to do it God's way?

Yes, parenting is very simple when you want to do it God's way. It is also very enjoyable when you want to do it God's way, because you don't break any Laws and subsequently all of the results of parenting are happy; none of them are sad. Parenting in the way people on Earth do it at the moment is very painful, a very painful process for the majority of parents, a very painful process for the majority of children as well, because we've chosen to do it out of harmony with God's way and as a result of that there's lots of pain and suffering that gets created.

We need to understand that every time we choose to do it our way rather than God's way, we are going to create pain and suffering if our way isn't in harmony with love. A lot of times we believe it's in harmony with love, we think it's in harmony with love, but it's completely demonstrable that it's out of harmony with love. As parents we are often in the state where we lack humility and as a result of that, we have painful consequences in our life, in our relationship with our children. Our children have painful consequences that they often deal with for the rest of their life on Earth as a result of our actions as parents. So you can see, my feelings are: if you're choosing to be a parent, become a very humble person, completely open to all the truths of the Universe, whether you personally believe them or not. You're going to need to take these actions; otherwise you're going to create pain and suffering in your own life and in the lives of your own children.

**Justin:** And in their subsequent children, then it goes on.

In their subsequent children, if they make the same choice, to walk away from God's principles and Laws, and in particular walk away from the principles of love. Then their children are going to have the same damage and then their children will have the same damage and so forth, and this is how you get the sins of the parents perpetrated against the child and the next generation and the next generation, and the next generation after that. This is what I meant in the Bible when I said, "The sins of the parents get given to the child for generation after generation after generation." It's a sad consequence of parents that lack humility, because if we had humility we would never choose to do that.

**Justin:** Would it be fair to say as a parent, let's say you deal with your own injuries around a topic or a certain situation, and you then understand what God's view is, and so you are then doing it lovingly to your children ...?

It's not an intellectual thought though, because once you've released the error inside of your soul and it's no longer existing, the way the soul operates is that you can now absorb God's Truth about that into your soul. Now your soul automatically does the thing exactly in harmony with love and since it's automatic the child feels it in that moment. In that moment it's like, as soon as you make a change, the child instantly changes and we need to understand it's not this intellectual thing, but a complete soul-based thing.

**Justin:** Is it at that point that the multi-generational injury stops?

Exactly. If it was an injury that my parents passed down to me and I've released this particular injury emotionally and my soul's now absorbed the new Truth from God as a result of my desire to do that, from that moment on, subsequent generations of children that might come from me, are all free of that injury. That's the gift that you give to every other generation that follows after you. If you hold onto the injury, or create even more injuries, then the penalty, you can see, is that every subsequent generation will probably also contain the same injury, until somebody of your children, one brave individual of your children or grandchildren, or great grandchildren, decides to stop that cycle, through dealing with that particular injury and releasing it from themselves. That's the gift, one of the other gifts, we give to our children.

Every emotional injury that we are humble to and release is another emotional injury they do not have to bear for their life, or that they themselves don't have to choose at some future point in their future to release and so it's very, very important that we go through that process ourselves. If we're true, sincere, un-hypocritical parents, we will willingly engage that process. If we're hypocritical we won't willingly engage it, we'll want the child to correct itself, but we won't want to correct ourselves.

**Justin:** Let's say as a parent, I'm creating an injury, automatic injury, within my child. Let's say for example that it perpetuates ...

It might even be something you're unconscious about.

**Justin:** Yes, and that perpetuates through generations say, do I then have a Law of Compensation to deal with for the multi-generational ...?

Of course. Any injury that's in yourself that is perpetrated - and by the way, it's the same consequence if you have no children. (Smiles)

**Justin:** Can you explain that?

Yes. See, you were thinking that what I was saying was that if you had a child and you had a certain injury, the consequences on your soul would be worse than if you didn't have the child and retained the injury. And I'm saying to you, "No that's not how God's Laws work." The fact that you are retaining the injury and are resistive to the injury has its own consequence and part of the consequence is, if you had had children, you would have passed this injury down to them and that consequence is attributed to you even though you've had no children.

**Justin:** Ah, okay.

You can't make a choice and say, "I'm not going to have a child and therefore be in a better soul condition." Your soul condition will be determined by the feeling that's in you. It won't be determined by the fact that you had children while the feeling was in you. Your soul condition is determined by its condition right now, whether you have children or not, but part of the determination of the consequence is, if you had had children you would have passed this down to them and your unwillingness to be humble is a part of the consequence in dealing with the particular injury. Do you understand what I'm saying there?

**Justin:** It's pretty ...

God's Laws are so fine my friend. (Laughs) They're like, every little tiny nut and bolt is accounted for.

**Justin:** Oh yes. I hadn't thought of it that way.

You can't avoid the consequences of a Law just by not having children. The reality is that the consequences of the Law imposed upon you and one of the consequences of breaking every Law is, if you had had children you would have passed this injury down to them and you would have willingly done so. There is a consequence to that outcome even though you haven't had the children yet.

**Justin:** Yes, okay.

So there's no excuse for not dealing with an injury. You can't say to yourself, "Oh, I'm not going to have a child and therefore not have to deal with this injury." You can't say that because the reality is that the consequences are already imposed upon your soul with the choice you made and it didn't matter whether you had children or not, it's the same consequence that's placed upon your soul. The consequence is that if you would have had children you would have passed it down, and that's an unloving action. You would have chosen to take that unloving action, so that consequence is already imposed upon your soul whether you had the child or not.

**Justin:** So hypotheticals don't exist.

Hypotheticals don't exist. (Laughs) The reality is that everything that God ... actually, all of God's Laws have all the consequences involved with regard to the negative consequences of breaking them They have them all imposed upon the soul, whether we were going to have children or not. One of the consequences is, you have the ability to have children and so therefore would have passed this down and this consequence is attributed to your soul. It's a demonstration of the lack of love that's in us, if we're willing to pass down a multi-generational injury to our future generations, and that is a condition of our soul that does need to be corrected. In other words, we need to get to the point where we see that it's not loving to hold onto an emotional injury just from the perspective of the potential of us having a child and passing that emotional injury to them.

We need to see that that would be an unloving choice, to hold onto the injury. Instead of saying, "Oh, I'm not going to have a child because I've got all these injuries," hoping that that will somehow mitigate God's Laws - you can't do that. It won't mitigate God's Laws; God's Laws are imposed upon you as if you had had the children, because you would have chosen to hold onto the injury, if you had the children. So my suggestion is, if you know an injury inside of yourself, don't wait to have children, or don't put off having children, deal with the injury. Stop trying to make changes ... this is what I see with most people doing, "I know that I have this particular injury, so I'm not going to have a child yet", and I'm going, "Well if you know you've got that particular injury, why aren't you dealing with it? Why aren't you releasing it? If you are releasing it, it's not going to affect you having a child." That's not a good excuse, to not have a child or a good excuse to have one. Like, you're using the 'not having a child,' or that particular reasoning to explain away a lack of desire for a child, which is driven by some other emotion, in other words.

My suggestion to people is: stop doing all of that, start being real with yourself. You've got an injury and you know it's there, deal with it now. The fact that you're willing to put it off, is an automatic consequence that you're willing to put it off, and one of the consequences is that if you put it off and you had a child, that child would now have the injury. That consequence is already in your soul, even though you haven't had the child. So deal with the issue now, deal with it now, don't put it off, don't wait, don't say to yourself, "Oh, I'm not going to have a child 'til later and it'll all be better then." Deal with every injury you have as you find it. That's the only un-hypocritical and sincere thing to do.

**Justin:** Yes, I wasn't ready for that one.

(Laughs) In a way, people don't understand how refined God's Laws are. They don't understand that you can't prevent soul damage by putting off something; in fact you create soul damage by putting off something. You can't prevent soul damage by putting off a pregnancy; the soul damage is already in you. Like, putting it off, the only way you can prevent something is by dealing with the soul damage. Now if you don't have a sincere desire to deal with it right now, then there's a consequence for that. Why wouldn't you have a sincere desire to deal with something that's erroneous, out of harmony with love right now? Why wouldn't you do that? There's got to be something wrong. Why wouldn't you choose love over being unloving, right now?

There has got to be some kind of rebellion in you that causes that. This is where I feel a lot of people make mistakes. As soon as they notice a particular injury inside of themselves their focus should be to deal with it, to address it, instead of putting it off for any reason. Don't put off desires in your life, such as the desire to have a child, just because you have an injury. Don't put off the desire; stop putting off the healing of the problem, the healing of the injury. I don't understand why we constantly reorganise things in our mind this way. If we were truly sincere, we would notice the injury and we'd want to deal with it straight away. If we were truly sincere we wouldn't put off having a child as a result, we would deal with the injury; we would focus our time and energy on dealing with the injury.

I feel a lot of people when they ask these questions like, "Oh, should I put off having a child until I've dealt with certain injuries?"- When they ask me those kinds of questions they're not understanding that the penalty is already on their soul as if they'd had a child anyway. So why would they put off having a child? If it's a true desire, have the child. The only reason to put off having a child is that it's not a pure desire and as I said earlier, if you're not going to have a pure desire to have a child, I'd sincerely question why you'd be having sex as well, (laughs) because sooner or later you're going to have a child, if you have sex. (Laughs)

A bit of a hard one that one. (Laughs) I'll bet there'll be a few people go, "What?" with that one. (Laughs)

**Justin:** Yes, "You mean to say that even though I don't want to have a child ..."

Exactly. God's a clever God. Oftentimes we think God's stupid. We think, "God's pretty stupid, none of the laws will apply to me as long as I put something off." (Laughs)

**Justin:** (Laughs) No, no, I've thought that.

Yes, most people think that and it's not the case at all. It's the soul condition inside of the individual that all of God's corrective Laws work upon. That soul condition would create the error in the child, so changing an action, such as not having a child doesn't change your soul condition. Your soul condition's going to remain the same until you deal with the error. (Laughs)

8. Is it important that a child sees God as the real parent? What are the effects?

**Justin:** How important is it for a child to understand the difference about the real Parent, God, vs. earthly parents? What effect does it have on the child's soul, and what effect does it have on the parent?

Okay, perhaps if you can remind me of the last two questions, and if we follow the first question first, which was this idea: what effect does it have... if you re-read that for me.

**Justin:** How important is for the child to understand the difference between God as its Parent, verses its earthly parent?

Yes, it's very, very important, for a lot of reasons. You see, the child has no concept inside of itself when it's first born or just developing intellectually, that its parents don't know everything. The child believes that everything its parents know, is everything that there is to know. If the child now understands and is taught by the parent that the parent doesn't know everything, the parents aren't God, and the parents aren't their child's soul's parent, if the child is taught that the true parent of the child is God and God knows everything, now the child has the ability to distinguish some major things. It has the ability to see that its parents might do some things in the future that are not right, that are not in harmony with love and are not truthful and are not humble. The child also has the ability to see that while the parent might do that, God would never do that. Inside of its developing psychology, it has the ability to separate God's actions and God's nature from its parents' actions and its parents' nature.

Now this is a critical part of its development. If it applies its parents' nature upon God, then it's going to distort its belief systems about God. This is the major cause of all the religions on the planet; there are distorted natures about God contained in every religion, because everyone who created these religions came from a parent who had a distorted viewpoint about love.

Now if those parents had separated their nature from God's nature by saying, "We're not your parents, all we did was create your two bodies and God's your real parent and God doesn't make mistakes. God designed you perfectly, God designed you with the perfect personality, God designed all these perfect things about love that you can embrace, God designed you to have a relationship with God, God designed everything independent of us." The parents can teach the child that particular concept. The child psychologically can now see that whenever parents make choices, that the child feels are out of harmony with love, it doesn't have to accept the parents' choice. Now this is very powerful for the child, because it helps them to have the ability to make their own choices, independent of the parents in the long run, and more dependent upon God, knowing that God's choices are all in harmony with love whereas the parents might be imperfect and they might make choices out of harmony with love. It helps the child psychologically to separate God from its earthly parents, and in fact to start seeing God as their parent, and its parents as its brothers and sisters. This is a great benefit to the child because it then gives it the great benefit of developing a relationship with God, independent of its parents and the parents' relationship with God.

Now if you think about it, if every child had been given that particular gift while they were on Earth, you can imagine that the effect is that the children would have engaged more of their own personality, more of their own nature, they would have done more of the things they want to do. A lot more of the things might have been done in harmony with love, instead of just being in harmony with their parents' idea of love. But when the child is not separated, where psychologically there's no separation between God and the parents, which is caused by the parents saying, "You're my child. I own you. You've got to do what I want, I brought you into the world," and all those other false statements... all of them are false. The parents did nothing of the kind, all they did was have sex; they did nothing of the rest of those things that they're saying they did. The soul of the child was brought into the world through a completely different process, and this is what the parents need to come to terms with.

If the child understands the separation of the processes, then the child can go, "Okay, I've got the freedom to enter a relationship with God and I've got the freedom to continue a relationship with my earthly parents," - if we call them that - "who are my brothers and sisters, and I now also have the ability, psychologically, to see that my parents might not always be right." I get to see that at a very young age, whereas the average person on this planet never gets to see that until their teenage years generally, and even then they never get to rebel against it without getting punished.

If the child was given this ability very young, like two, three, four, five years of age while its intellect is developing and while its psychological development is occurring, by the time the child is seven years of age, it now knows that it can enter a relationship with a loving God, while at the same time having a relationship with unloving older brothers and sisters, who brought their bodies into the world. It would be able to determine the difference between love and what is loving and unloving. But if the parents don't teach the child this particular principle and they teach the child that they are the child's gods, which is really what the parents are teaching their children, then the child is going to believe that the parents are always right until they start seeing the parents are not always right, and then there are going to be huge psychological upheavals for the child, a lot of pain and suffering. It's going to go against its parents, the parents will often punish it and sometimes violently punish the child. There'll be lots of pain and suffering as a result of these particular actions, because the parents chose to teach something that was out of harmony with the Truth. So it's very important for the child in particular that the parents teach the child that parents are not its real parent, the child's real parent. The parents are brothers and sisters, older brothers and sisters who created the two bodies, the spiritual and material body, of the child in order for the child to experience the world, but the real parent of the child is God. God created the child's soul. Now there are two other parts of the question?

**Justin:** What effect does that have on the child's soul?

We've discussed the psychological effects on the soul, yes.

**Justin:** And what effect does it have on the parent.

The effect it has on the parent is interesting. Very interesting, because if the parent withholds the Truth, or does not understand the Truth, that the parent is not the parent, but rather the older brother and sister of this child that they've attracted through the creation of the bodies, then the parent gets to the point where they believe themselves to be the god of the child. Do you understand what I mean by that? They believe that they themselves can dictate to the child, how the child should express and use its free will. Now this is a very damaging thing that the parent does to itself, because the parent now believes that they have rulership over the child. They believe that there is no equality anymore between the child and themselves, in terms of the expression of will. They believe that the child should submit their will to the parent and these are all very damaging false beliefs that the parents retain, and while the parent retains these damaging false beliefs, they damage their own soul and further damage the souls of their children.

This is why many parents pass into the spirit world in dark condition, not because of anything they did with anybody else around them, but because of what actions they took as a subsequent result of their belief, that they are the god of the child, or that they are the person who can rule over the child. This causes a lot of soul-based damage to the parent after they've passed. It happens during the time that they live, but after the time that they pass they start recognising this damage. So it's critical for both the child and the parent, that the parents come to terms with the fact that they are not the child's creator. They are the creator of the two bodies into which the child was invited. The child is God's creation, not their own, and if the parents understand that relationship they will not believe themselves to be the owner, ruler, god or parent of the child.

They will not enforce their own belief systems upon the child; they will not control the child's behaviour through a force of their will, or through violence, because they respect the position which they are in. As a result they will not damage their own soul further. So it's a very important principle to get across to parents, that they are not the actual parent of the child, they are just people who created the two bodies into which their younger brother or sister has incarnated. That's all they are and as such, if they recognise that role with humility, they will never damage that younger brother and sister through the imposition of the parents', or the adults,' wills upon the child.

Rather, they would be very circumspect about the actions they took with the child. They wouldn't be trying to control the child's will, they wouldn't be trying to damage the child's development in any way, they wouldn't be trying to turn the child into an image of themselves. They would instead be turning the child into an image of the child's true God, true parent, which is God. We have all been created as images of God, and unfortunately the parents go, "No, I reject that", and they want the child to become an image of themselves. Now of course most children by the time they're teenagers rebel against that concept, understandably so, because they are not an image of the parent, they are an image of their invisible creator, their invisible parent. They are not an image of their Earth-based older brother and sister who created just their bodies.

So you can see that it is very important because it has a huge psychological effect on the child when it knows who its true parent is, and it has a huge amount of positive influence upon the parent, and their choices and decisions while they're parents, if they understand what the Truth is. But if they understand it differently, they will impose many, many injuries upon themselves, many injuries upon the child. The child psychologically will not be able to separate God from the parent, and as a result will impose many of the beliefs that it has about its parents onto God and that damages many parts of its future development.

So you see it's a huge issue, this issue of coming to understand your true role as a so-called parent, as a so-called person on Earth who has drawn a child, through the creation of the bodies for the child to exist in. If we understand the Truth about it, we can undo a lot of damage that has been done, multi-generational damage that has been done towards children and subsequent generations on this planet.

### 9. After God and our soulmate, are our family and children the most important

**Justin:** After God and your soulmate, is family and our children the most important thing?

Well I would say that the most important thing is love. Love of God, love of your soulmate, and love of your family are not mutually exclusive. In other words, love of God, love of your soulmate and love of your family are mutually inclusive. A lot of people seem to have this concept that you have some kind of priority system when you love, like, "I love God first, love my family next," and so forth. Now while we could say that that is true, that the most important thing in our future existence is to develop a love of God and it is very important that you develop a love of your soulmate in your future existence, those two loves are not mutually exclusive of loving your family. They are mutually inclusive of loving your family; they are inclusive, not exclusive.

Now I feel that this kind of question tends to indicate a misunderstanding that people have about relationships. They think that because I've said, "God is the most important relationship that you'll ever have," that it means that when you develop a relationship with God, you will love your family less and it's not true. You will love your family more, because you have a relationship with your God, not less. It's the same kind of relationship with your soulmate. "Once you meet your soulmate you have a relationship with your soulmate and that would mean that you'd love your family less." No, it means that you love your family more. The more you learn about love in any aspect of your life, the greater your ability to love your family, your children and other people, not less.

You don't have less ability; you have more ability to love them. I feel that we've got to be careful about these kinds of questions, because a lot of times this kind of question goes down the track of leading us to a point where we sort of say to ourselves, "Well my child wants something from me and my soulmate wants something from me, so I'm going to give my soulmate the thing first, because they're more important to me, and the child's needs might be that it needs some food and you say, "No, no, you're not getting any food today because my soulmate wants something." That's a ludicrous proposition. If we truly love God and we had truly received Divine Love into our soul, we would automatically love all of them and we would notice the needs of one and we would automatically supply this need, without denying the needs of the other. Yes, automatically.

10. Would your child come before your relationship with God or Mary?

**Justin:** Would your child come before your relationship with God or Mary? For example, If your child was hungry or was screaming for something but you were already occupied with doing something with Mary, or praying to God, what would you do?

Well, love would dictate what to do and that would be to instantly drop what's going on and work out why my child is crying and it's probably something that I'm feeling. It's probably something that I'm doing that's out of harmony with love. I would automatically do that. Of course it depends upon whether the child's crying is sincere or not. If the child was just crying in order to manipulate me, then it would be completely out of harmony to respond to the child under those circumstances, completely out of harmony with love, so it completely depends upon the circumstances in which the child is crying or the child is being demanding, as to how I would respond. If the child already has all of its needs met and also has my love, it's highly likely the child wouldn't be crying at all. So again, it's almost like a theoretical question, which wouldn't in practice be happening if I was sincere in my own understanding of what it means to be the child's Earth-based parent.

If the child is crying, I know as a parent that there is something wrong emotionally for me here, because even if the child is crying for food, then there is something wrong for me, because why would I not have enough food to give the child, or why would I not have already given the child food? There's got to be something wrong inside of my belief system for that to have been created.

It might even be just a simple thing of me having a feeling of lack that's created lack for my family that I haven't decided to address. It might be all sorts of issues that come up as a result. If I was sincere as a parent, I would look at every time my child is crying and I would definitely address the issue. If my child is just screaming and yelling and having a tantrum because it just didn't get something it wanted, now I would never respond to such a child. I would never respond to my soulmate if she was doing the same thing. So you see, it would be love that dictates what would happen in the situation, not the importance of the relationship.

This is where I feel a lot of people are getting their wires crossed when it comes to understanding these principles. Because they don't yet have an understanding of the Truth in their soul, they believe that love can be mutually exclusive, and it can't be. If the understanding of love was in their soul they would not even ask such a question, because they'd know exactly what the answer was. The fact that they've asked such a question means that they do not understand love or its nature.

And this is where I feel we need to be really honest with ourselves. If we've asked this question of ourselves then it means that we don't understand love at all yet, because love would never allow someone to suffer when it was in our power to repair the suffering. However, love would never respond to a demand, under any circumstances, even if that demand was from the most important person in our life aside from God. Now God never demands anything, (laughs) but if someone like our partner demanded something from us, and it was a demand, an expectation on their part, it would be unloving to give it, even if they go into a tantrum and even if they threaten to leave us and even if they tell us that we're being unloving to them and we would understand that if we understand the principles of love in our heart.

The fact that we asked the question means that the principles aren't in our heart and so my first suggestion to the person asking such a question would be, "You've got a lot of development to make with regard to what you believe love to be. Fix what you believe love to be and then you'd never ask such a question."

11. How does society's view on 'family' hinder our relationship with God?

**Justin:** Could you please contrast society's view on family compared to God's view of the family?

Well I feel that many of our other questions have already addressed a lot of these issues, but let's sort of put it in some kind of summary. The average family's view of the family is that the parents own the children, that the children are the parents' responsibility to do with as they wish, as they see fit. That's the average viewpoint of the family on the planet. Most parents believe that the children belong to them and in fact we use the terminology, "They are my children, my sons, my daughters, they belong to me." Most parents on this planet believe that because their children 'belong to them' and they 'brought then into the world' as the saying goes, they have the right to dictate what the child does, they have the right to violently inflict punishment upon the child if the child does not do what the parents demand.

Now all of these concepts of parenting are completely false from God's perspective. God feels completely the opposite to this and in fact if you look at God's own example of how He deals with us, you can see that God's completely the opposite to that. God never forces our will; God never punishes us for not doing what God wants, never. God still loves us, whenever we do whatever we do. God continues to give us love. Even if we're totally blocked to receiving it, God wants to give love to us.

This is completely different to the average parent. The average parent in society withdraws their love whenever the child doesn't do what they want. In fact the average parent becomes violent in their expressions towards the child, either physically or emotionally, when the child doesn't do what the parent wants. God never does such things. God's a far more loving individual than the most loving parent and this is where we need to see the contrast between society's definition of love in the family and God's definition of love in His family. We're all part of God's family and God's definition of love in God's family is very, very different to society's definition of what love would be in the family. It's very different in so many areas.

If we were going to list every area we'd probably take days having this conversation, because there are so many areas in which God's definition of love is completely different to the family's definition of love. It's imperative that families on this planet change their definition of love into God's definition, because if they don't, damage is done to the children of the next generation, and the next generation and so forth and nothing will change on the Earth while the family continues to retain its current ideas about love. They are the underlying ideas that the family has about love that are imposed upon society. This whole concept that we are not one family... you are my brother; you and I have the same parent. You're my brother; we have the same parent, God. That makes us brothers, literally brothers. Our souls are brothers to each other. If I then see you as not being a member of my family, I am completely out of harmony with that concept.

You are a member of my family. It is just as important for me to treat you well as it is to treat 'my sons' well. My sons do not deserve better or worse treatment than you, because they are my brothers, just as you are my brother. It's imperative that we have this viewpoint of the world because without it we have national strife, we have cultural strife, we have tribal strife, we have family feuds and all of those things are the result of us viewing our family as more important to us than other people. You are my family, I am yours, there's no reason why you should treat me any differently than you treat your own sons or your partner when it comes to love, when it comes to the expression of consideration, of compassion and kindness and other emotions. I should be treated no differently.

When it comes to your money, I should be treated no differently. When it comes to how you treat your life, it should be no different than how you treat my life. It should be no different than if you had your sons in trouble. If I were in trouble, you would respond the same way as if your sons were in trouble, or as if your partner was in trouble, if you viewed me as your brother. The reality is that on this planet, society does not view other people that are not members of their family as their brothers and they have a very distorted viewpoint of what the family is. As a result of these particular things, we have huge numbers of problems on the planet generally. If we changed how we see the family, if everyone on the planet changed how they saw the family, we would instantly have peace in the entire world; there would be no trouble.

If everybody saw each person on the planet as their brother or sister all crime would instantly disappear, if we freely felt that connection.

**Justin:** Yes. So following on from that, how are these beliefs that we have, hindering our relationship with God?

Well obviously our viewpoint of the family is very, very different to God's viewpoint of the family. That being the case, it means that our view of the family is injury-based. It's error-based, and while we retain it, every time we retain an error, we will choose to act out of harmony with the Laws of God, which will always incur pain and suffering as a consequence.

Because of this one problem, that we refuse to accept God's definition of God's family, and instead we impose our own definition of the family, because of this one problem, we are creating huge numbers of problems on the planet. Like, problems with war, national strife and all those things, violence and all these different things are all caused, if you analyse them back down, to this problem of our definition of what is maintained to be a family, and what a family should do and what a family should put up with and how a family should be treated. If we had God's view on the matter, we would never ever take the actions that we, as humanity, currently take. So it's essential, it's essential that our viewpoint of the family changes.

12. How can I amend not teaching my children about God in their formative years?

**Justin:** This is from a parent who did not teach their children about God and Sunday school because they felt religion got it wrong. They now feel terrible about when their children die, because their children now believe as they were taught; they're feeling bad about that. How can they make amends?

(Laughs) Well this again is a question driven by a parent who doesn't want to feel certain emotions. Firstly they need to feel their emotions of guilt that they've actually taught their children things that are out of harmony with truth and out of harmony with love. They also need to release from themselves the reason why they chose to teach their children these particular things. A lot of that has to do with their rage towards religion. Like, there's a reason why a lot of people inculcate... it's one thing to say, "I didn't agree with religion about God." It's quite another thing as a result of that particular thought, to not teach the child about God.

What is your concept about God? If you don't have the religious concept about God, what is your concept about God? Now for a lot of people, they chose to not teach the child anything about God, because they personally didn't know anything about God, and they're now trying to get away with the fact, "Oh, I need to feel about that. My choice to not teach the child anything about God", needs to be felt about. What I would suggest to such a parent is this: "You need to feel everything that you did that damaged your child. There is nothing you can do to avoid such feelings and in fact your desire to avoid such feelings is driven by a lack of humility, because if you were truly humble you would feel repentant about every single thing that you did that has now injured your child."

Now if a parent fully engages humility and fully engages repentance, they will no longer try to change their child, as this parent is trying to do. They will change themselves by becoming repentant and receiving Divine Love, and through their example their child will be re-attracted to God. That's the only way that this will be repaired. What this parent is trying to do is to take different actions without going through the emotions. Now this is impossible, to achieve anything using these techniques. All that would result is that your children would become more resentful because now you're trying to influence them in a completely opposite direction to how you influenced them as a child.

Unless you release from yourself the cause as to why you took the action when your children were children, you will not ever be able to repair the damage or the outcome of this particular action. This person is attempting to repair the damage of the outcome, without addressing the cause, and as you know from previous discussions you've had or heard about the Law of Cause and Effect, if you attempt to do such a thing, no good can ever come about, because of it. So I would suggest to these parents that they stop trying to change their children, now that they've done the damage, and first fix the reason why they did the damage, inside of themselves. Then, because of their new nature and condition, their children will be automatically attracted to them and ask them questions about God and other issues.

If the child is not being attracted to them automatically to ask them these particular questions, then it's highly likely that the parent has not addressed the causal emotion. So instead of trying to force the child as an adult, no, the parent needs to stop attempting the child to change, even if the child is an adult, and they need to focus on changing themselves first. They need to get back to that. My statement is that if the child isn't feeling some kind of connection with God or a desire to know about God, as an adult, then the parent themselves has not changed even though they think they have. The parent themselves has yet to be repentant about the real reasons why they took the actions they did when the children were children. So that's my suggestion to them.

**Justin:** Question thirteen, pretty similar.

Similar, let's go.

**Justin:** Pretty similar.

These kinds of questions help us understand the psyche of many parents and also the false beliefs that many parents have.

13. If we hurt our children by not teaching them about God, how do we amend this?

**Justin:** "Many of us who did not teach their children about God and Sunday school because we did not want the 'fear of God' put into our children, feel terrible now as we realise that they may be in a bad soul condition because of this when they pass. Again, how can we make amends? I am now talking to my grandson about God when we see a butterfly etc., but for my kids I think it is now too late, as they don't believe. If you don't believe in God but live as a truly good person, does that make it any easier when you pass?"

Well there are a lot of things this woman, I know it's a woman that asked this question, there are a lot of emotions she is avoiding in this questioning. So let's slice this question up into three parts shall we? So if you re-read just the first part...

**Justin:** Yes. "Many of us who did not teach their children about God and Sunday school, because we did not want the 'fear of God' put into our children, feel terrible now as we realise that they may be in a bad soul condition because of this."

Now, the first thing we should state is that none of your children can be in a worse soul condition if you didn't teach them about the fear of God. God is not a being to be feared, and it's great that you didn't teach them to fear God. They are never going to be in a worse condition if you do not fear God. It's very important to understand that to teach the child that they didn't need to fear God was not a bad choice. The choice to not teach them about God at all was the choice that wasn't good.

We need to properly associate what the choices were and then look at the underlying emotions. Now why didn't this woman want to teach the child about God, even though she didn't want to teach the child about a fear of God? Then there have to be other emotions that she is not feeling about that caused her desire to not teach about God at all. She could still have chosen to teach about God, even though she said, "Don't go to Sunday school," and "I don't want you to learn about a fear-inspiring God." It's great that she chose to restrict the child from hearing about a fear-God, because that God doesn't exist. So it's not a bad choice. The bad choice was: why did she make the decision to not teach the children about a loving God? That's the question she needs to ask herself. Let's look at the next part of the question.

**Justin:** "How can we make amends?" She's now talking to her grandson about God, when they see a butterfly etc.

She's asking how to make amends. She's now speaking about her children. The thing she's concerned about is that because she chose to not teach her children about a loving God, because of her anger with religion, or because of her disagreement with the concept that God's a fear-based God - that's great - or because of her anger at religion - that's not so great - she chose to not teach about God at all. And there might be other reasons why she chose not to teach about God at all, as I said; she needs to look at that. How can she make amends? She can't. You can't get rid of an action you've already taken in the past; it's done. Like, you need to now feel about it, that you've done it, that you've done this actual damage and the damage that she's done to her children in this regard is that her children are now atheists basically. They don't believe there is such a thing as God.

That's part of the damage that she did. She needs to see it as an action she took and feel about it and repent for it and go through the emotions as to why she chose to take that particular action. Once she does all of that then her children may choose to find out about God. They're not going to choose to find out about God while she retains those emotions inside of her soul. Even though her intellectual concept has now changed, and she herself now believes there is a God, and she now believes intellectually that there is a loving God, there must still be within her emotions that cause her to not feel that. She must still feel that there isn't a loving God; she must still feel that maybe God even doesn't exist, inside of her soul, otherwise her children would be feeling naturally drawn into finding out about the changes that she's making.

What she is now concerned about is making amends. Well I suggest to her that if she was really concerned about making amends, she would actually want to be repentant for her actions and that is going to mean feeling about all the results of her actions. That's what repentance is, and she would need to want to do that if she really wanted to make amends. My feeling is that she doesn't want to make that kind of amends; what she wants to do is take some kind of action that will help her avoid the emotions that caused her to make these choices, and will help her avoid the emotion of guilt that she has of now seeing that she made the wrong choice. That's the reason why she wants to make amends and that's not a pure desire to make amends. That's only a desire to avoid your own pain. I see many parents doing this, where all they really want to do when they're making "amends", is they just want to avoid their own pain and the consequences of what they undertook when their children were little, and we can't do that. What's done is done. The only way we can deal with it is to fully feel through the results of the choices we made, that's the only thing we can do.

Now the third part of the question revolves around her grandson and the fact that she's trying to teach her grandson some things about God.

**Justin:** Yes. So she's now talking to her grandson about God, when they "see a butterfly etc., but for my kids I think it's too late as they don't believe."

Firstly it is never too late for anybody, so we can't say it's ever too late. In fact, if this woman shifted inside of her soul in her attitude to God, she would find that her children would naturally feel drawn into shifting in the same way, because their injury is not actually their own so much as hers. What she's trying to do is teach her children about God while still retaining the injury that caused her inside of herself not to teach the children about God. Now that is going to be an impossible task. The only way you're going to be able to teach your children about God is to first release the injury inside of yourself as to why you did not teach them about God and that is going to be an emotional process that you need to go through, not an intellectual process of teaching them something different.

Now the next question she asked is all about being worried about the full consequences of her choices, so let's answer her about that.

**Justin:** "If you don't believe in God but live as a truly good person, does that make it any easier when you pass?"

Okay, yes it does make it easier when you pass. However, the only reason she wants to know that answer is that she doesn't want to feel that her children will have more pain because of the results of her teaching.

Her children will have more pain because of the results of her teachings, even if they are loving and good people. The pain they are going to receive is never having a relationship with God, if she doesn't work through these particular emotions and if they themselves don't choose to have a relationship with God as a result of her lack of teaching of them, and she's avoiding that pain. She's avoiding the pain of that potential, the fact that the children may forgo a relationship with God because of the choices she made. Now I suggest to her that if she's fully repentant for that, she will feel all of those pains instead of trying to mitigate them by hoping that something will turn out differently and by trying to change some kind of action inside of herself. What she would do instead is to go through full repentance of her choices. Once she does that, she will find her children will be drawn to ask about God.

But while the emotion is retained within her that caused her to make a choice to not tell the children about God, while that emotion still resides within her, even now, while it's there it prevents them from asking anything about God and it prevents them from believing in God, because they can feel that inside of her is the same emotion that she had when they were children. If her emotions had changed, her children would feel a difference and then of course feel triggered into asking something about the reason or cause of the change. So there is a lot of emotional avoidance going on here for this particular person with regard to what's going on for her children.

She's feeling a lot of guilt but she's not willing to feel the pain and suffering of her own creation. That's a lack of repentance as a parent and a lack of humility, so my suggestion to her is, "Be more humble, be repentant, feel the complete results of the choices you made when these children were children. Feel the results of it, and then you will see a change. You won't have to tell them anything different; you'll feel a change from them, because they will feel a change from you."

This is another case of a parent trying to change the child before they're willing to change themselves. It just doesn't work, because it's hypocritical. It lacks sincerity and it's certainly not loving. To try and change somebody else that you have forced into being as they are before you change the reasons inside of yourself as to why you forced them into being as they are, is a very hypocritical action. I feel it's something that, while many parents engage it they need to give up this action and be far more humble if they truly want to have a positive effect on their child. That's good, a good question. As I said, listing the question like that allows you to go through all the reasons and choices that a person is making and a lot of times these questions might seem the same, but the answers are sometimes different.

**Justin:** I guess they seem the same to me at the moment.

(Laughs)

14. What will a child born through a pure soulmate relationship look/act like?

I have no idea, and in fact nobody has any idea. We can only postulate as to what it might look and feel like, because the reality is that there has never been on this planet any parents in that condition, where they're in a soul union condition and at-one with God. As a result of that there has never been any example here on Earth, historically, of a child born into that union. In the future there may be a child born into those conditions, and then you'll see what such a child looks like in reality.

So in answering this question all we can do really is postulate from a theoretical answer as to what you might expect it to look like, but my suggestion is that when you do that you're usually wrong anyway. (Laughs)

There's not much point to the whole discussion. Obviously such parents would be completely free from any emotional injury; obviously they'd also have imbibed huge amounts of God's Truth. They would also be living their entire life in harmony with God's Laws and as a result of all of those things you can see that there would obviously be a huge positive effect on any child of God that they attracted to them by creating the spiritual and physical bodies of that child.

There'd be huge benefits on the child physically, emotionally, psychologically, spiritually and from a love perspective, but in terms of listing them all, all we'd be doing is theorising, without demonstrating it in practice.

What I would like to do at some point in the future is demonstrate it in practice. Once myself and Mary become at-one with God and in that union condition, then we might consider having some children so that we can also demonstrate what it's like for a child in that condition.

**Justin:** That would be something to see.

It would be something to see, but every parent has the ability to have themselves in that condition so that they can experience it for themselves too. It's almost unimaginable, a world where all the parents on the planet were in that condition and then all the children coming into the world would never know pain, never know suffering; they would only know love, they would only feel the joys of expansion, they would never be punished for their mistakes. There'd be so many advantages for those children. You can see at a very young age they might leave home. (Laughs) They might be six or seven years of age and leave home. "See you Mum, see you Dad. I don't need you guys anymore." Like, "I'm totally self-sufficient. I'm at-one with God." (Laughs) "And I know who my soulmate is and I can create abundance in my life." Who needs a parent on Earth after that? We'd be living in a totally different world, under those circumstances, to what we currently live in.

**Justin:** And a parent at one with God would just go, "Yes, go for it."

"You beauty, go for it." Yes, no fear whatsoever about how the child would be harmed, because they know the child is in harmony with all the Laws of God, the child's in complete harmony with everything of its existence. Also, more importantly, those two parents, those parents of the bodies, I should say, will know more than anything else that this is a child of God, and because this child is now at-one with God, it doesn't need the people who created their bodies anymore. It doesn't need them at all.

You might retain a relationship with them, because you love them, but you wouldn't need to have the relationship anymore would you? And it wouldn't matter what age they were, you'd be happy to see them go on their way and be whatever they wanted to achieve in their life, expressing their personality and nature in the most powerful possible way that they could. You'd only rejoice at such a thing. There'd be huge benefits for the parents and the child and society generally, because these children would be completely at-one with God by the time their intellect had developed.

Imagine that, seven years of age, or even younger, because we don't know how fast the intellect would develop when parents are at-one with God; even that might change. They might only be two and have a fully developed intellect. (Laughs) We don't know. It's hard to imagine what kind of emotional damage we imposing upon our children now, what effect it's having on the physical, intellectual, emotional and other developments that they could make, the sensory developments that they could have.

We don't know how rapidly these particular beings could develop if everything was in a perfect situation. This is why I'm saying that it's a far bigger question than what most people would imagine when they first ask it, because just the changing of the soul condition of the parents and therefore the changing of the soul condition of the child when it enters the world, causes a completely different start to be given to the child. We don't know what the effect of that would be, because it's never been realised on this planet, ever. Even the very first human couple weren't in that condition, so it's never been realised on this planet, that kind of condition. So all we can do is wait until that condition occurs and watch what happens when they have a child and see what it turns out like. (Laughs)

**Justin:** Watch this space.

Yes.

15. How much does a parents' and soulmate's relationship impact their children?

Ah, it has a huge impact on their children of course. How the parents act in harmony with love is completely going to have a huge effect on how the children act in harmony with love. It's not just that; the feelings that the parents have that are in harmony or out of harmony with love are going to have a huge impact on the feelings of the child. Let's assume that the parents are soulmates. If the parents never engage a soulmate relationship, in other words they never fully connect to their own soul and engage the soulmate relationship, that teaches the children that it's impossible to have a soulmate relationship, along with many other things. If the parents don't act in harmony with love toward each other, that teaches the child that in future, when it enters a relationship with a person, it will probably act out the same emotional damage that the parents have towards each other, whether they are soulmates or not.

Let's assume though, that the parents are different to the parents with their soulmates; in other words, they got married, had children and then realised that they weren't with their soulmate and they decided to separate and go with their soulmate. How that happens will be completely dependent upon love. If they are loving, it will have a beautiful effect on the children. The children will open up to the concept of soulmates, open up to the concept of how important it is. They'll probably open up to their own soulmates at a very young age. They'll never have to go through a relationship that breaks up. There are all these positive effects that it will have on the child if the parents engage these particular relationships in love.

But if they engage the relationships with hatred, or anger, or revenge, or any other resentment or any other negative emotions that are out of harmony with love, it's going to have a huge detrimental effect on the child and a terrible effect on the child's future. So it completely depends upon whether the parents act in harmony with God's definition of love and in harmony with God's Laws as to what the outcome will be.

16. What difference does it make to a child if the parents are soulmates or not?

**Justin:** "What difference does it make to a child whether or not the parents are not soulmates? If they are not soulmates, then considering the child's happiness, what is the best way to handle that situation?"

Okay, it's a pretty involved question; let's look at its particular aspects. We're assuming that the two parents - and remember that they are not parents; they are only brothers and sisters of the child - the parents that we are calling parents - and we continue to use that terminology so that most people can identify - created the two bodies of the child. The child is God's child for a start. Now if the parents truly honour that, they'll realise that their parenthood is not really a parenthood of any kind- what it is, is a teaching role. It's a role of helping the child to come to understand things about its real parent; it understands that these two people, this couple understand that.

Now let's say this couple was not a soulmate couple and they realise in their future, after they've had children, "Oh, I'm not with my soul mate." If they refuse to engage the soulmate relationship after they have become parents, due to the idea or concept that they'd be harming their children if they were to engage the soulmate relationship, then the result will be that the child will feel like it's being sacrificed for. The child will have control of the relationship of the parents. The parents will finish up resenting the child for their inability to fully express their soul and follow what they now know, or feel, is their truth about their life and so forth.

So it's going to cause huge amounts of damage if the parents act out of harmony with love. If the parents act in harmony with love, all it will do is add to the child's life. The child will now have four teachers instead of two. (Laughs) And those teachers are more in harmony with God's Laws and principles, because they are more in harmony with the connection of their own soul. The child will feel more harmony with its own creator, God, as a result, so there'll be no damage whatsoever. In fact there would only be an enhancement of the child's life and experience through the engagement of the process.

Again, it depends completely upon whether the parents act in harmony with love or not. If one or more parents act out of harmony with love, or the soulmates of those parents act out of harmony with love, of course the damage upon the child will be quite considerable. It just depends on whether you act in harmony with love or not. If you act in harmony with love you will never go wrong; you can never go wrong. There can never be a damaging outcome if you act in harmony with love. It's impossible for such a thing to occur if you act in harmony with love, and this is where we don't trust love. I would suggest that any parents who decide to stay together for the sake of their children are not trusting love. They're not trusting the results of the lack of love and what that will also put onto the child. Obviously, if the parents don't love each other anymore and they're staying together for the sake of the child, they're teaching the child a lot of negative things about love, without realising it. Their child's going to have a lot of misunderstandings about love when it grows up.

Now if the parents engage love on all occasions, then what can the child learn but what love does, and the beauty and outcome and happiness that results from what love does? It can't learn anything negative as a result. So I can't agree with any person that says, "It's a nightmare that you learn who your soulmate is when you're married," It's a beautiful thing that you learn who your soulmate is, even if the person that you're married to isn't your soulmate, because you'll be engaging your soul more, you'll be loving yourself more, you'll be loving the other half of your soul more, you'll be demonstrating to any children in the relationship what soulmate love is. You'd still treat your partner, your first partner, who was the mother or father of the child; you would still treat them with complete love, not with resentment.

You'd be honouring them, you would be respecting them, you'd have integrity with them, you wouldn't go off and have a sexual relationship with someone else without first terminating that relationship sexually and going through that process. You would work your way through all of the issues with sincerity and love. If you did that the only result on the child would be positive, but if you don't do that and you choose to make decisions that are out of harmony with love with the other parent, or with your soulmate, or with the soulmate of the other parent, now you're teaching the child a heap of things out of harmony with love and of course that would definitely have a detrimental effect on the child. It really gets down to what our choices are as parents, as to whether the detrimental effect would occur in the child.

The reality is that a child will not be negatively affected by the break-up of parents, if the parents love each other and demonstrate this love for each other still, but if the parents treat each other badly and do not any longer demonstrate love for each other, the child will be very severely negatively affected, by any break-up of the family they have grown up in.

We've got to start seeing that relationships can come and go. Until we have a relationship with our soulmate, we may enter many relationships in the course of our life that will come and go, as a result of different emotional injuries that we have and as a result of not opening our soul to our soulmate and so forth. That's not what will cause damage to our child; it's being unloving that will cause damage to our child.

Any time we choose to be unloving, to any person in any relationship, we are automatically damaging our child through our example. I feel that once we understand that, we will no longer be so concerned about how the child is going to cope. We'd be more concerned about demonstrating love in all circumstances and situations, knowing fully that the child will not cope unless we do. The child will not cope with the situation unless we demonstrate love. The child will have emotional, psychological damage unless we demonstrate love in every single situation and that includes any kind of relationship change.

Good question; that was a good question. Okay, well that brings us to the end of the questions for series one of the list, doesn't it? We'll probably get together in another three or four weeks and do a series two and so forth of other questions. Hopefully for people who are listening that will be beneficial for them with their parenting, if you can call it parenting, because it's really just bringing up a beautiful gift - a child of God - and attracting it into your family and having the benefit of having that child in your family to learn a lot of lessons about love. I feel that in our future discussions, if we constantly refer to that, it will help people with regard to their questions about being parents and children. It will help them greatly in understanding how to act in certain situations I feel.

17. Conclusion

I'd like to thank you for your time, mate.

**Justin:** No, thank you so much. It's been really good and it's, yes, the benefits are just the best.

Yes, you're already experiencing some of the benefits aren't you? Yourself.

**Justin:** You can tell.

And you've gone through some of these things that you've asked questions about, so you know that if you bring love to the table there's little or no damage at all. It's when you're out of harmony with love, that's when the damage happens.

**Justin:** It's almost like the rest sorts itself out.

Exactly, and in fact what I find looking at your boys is they are far more developed now, and far more individuals now and far more able to determine what their desires and passions are now, than where they were when I first met you and saw the boys. And in fact when I first met you and saw the boys, the boys were acting out completely all of the emotional addictions that were in your family and as a result of that, they lacked a lot of even intellectual development and language development and all sorts of development they lacked, as a result of acting out these emotional injuries, which now they're not doing.

**Justin:** Yes and that's as a parent, that's a really nice thing, to see.

Yes and I look at the development of your boys over the time that I've known you and now they are totally different individuals to interact with now. Like, before when I first met you, you couldn't even engage them with a word, without them going all shy and they had no confidence at all, there were a lot of other emotional issues they faced and now they come up to me after a meeting and yabber, yabber away and question about this and question about that and they're not worried about anything and they're just themselves and it's wonderful to see.

**Justin:** Yes. Yes, and the gift as a parent, to see that ... (Quite emotional)

Yes, it's just unbelievable, isn't it.

**Justin:** And that's really why I'm a bit hot on the parenting stuff at the moment too.

Yes. You've got a good reason to look at your children with pride, in the sense of seeing that they just a turning out to be beautiful guys and also good reason to be proud of yourself in a lot of ways I feel, in terms of applying the principles of Divine Truth and seeing the results of it happening in the lives of your children.

**Justin:** Yes, it works.

Yes. It's good to chat with you today Justin and we'll catch up in about probably a month's time or so.

**Justin:** Cool.

Thanks for your time to Lena and Igor, Lena over there behind that camera and Igor over at that one, for your time for recording for us, that's fantastic. Thank you.

