
Spanish: 
El movimiento Zeitgeist Italia
En colaboracion con
El Movimiento Humanista
presenta
Federico Pistono
Daniele Mancinelli

English: 
[The Zeitgeist Movement Italy]
[in collaboration with]
[The Humanist Movement]
[presents]
[Federico Pistono]
[Daniele Mancinelli]

Spanish: 
2° Simposio Internacional "Fundamentos de la Nueva Civilizacion" - Parques de Estudio y Reflexion, 29/31 de Octubre de 2010
Continuamos con las entrevistas en el Area 2: Ciencia y tecnologia, con Federico Pistono
Es un director, blogger e informatico. En el 2002 gana una beca de estudio en un colegio internacional,
en el 2007 funda "los grillos de biella", una asociacion de voluntariado no-profit
desde el 2008 trabaja en Verona en una media farm (fabrica de medios) como director y programador web
en el 2009 se gradua en informatica y gana un concurso internacional de blogging y periodismo
Desde mayo del 2009 es el coordinador italiano del Movimiento Zeitgeist
un movimiento internacional con aproximadamente medio millon de inscriptos en todo el mundo, y que se define como el brazo activista del Proyecto Venus

English: 
[2nd International Symposium "Foundation of the New Civilization" - Parchi di Studio e di Riflessione, 29-31 October 2010]
Let us proceed with the lecture in area 2: science and technology with Federico Pistono.
He is a film director and blogger. In 2002 he wins a scholarship for an international college,
in 2007 he funds "Grilli biellesi", a non-profit association of volunteers.
from 2008 he starts working in a media farm in Verona as a film director and web programmer,
in 2009 he graduates with a degree in computer science and wins an international contest of bloggers and journalists.
Since may 2009 he has been the Italian coordinator of the Zeitgeist Movement,
an international movement counting about half a million members all over the world.
The movement considers itself the activist arm of the Venus Project.

English: 
Daniele Mancinelli also contributes to this lecture for the technical part.
He has a degree in chemistry and pharmaceutical technology and worked on his masters degree in molecular biology in Norway.
Currently he is a research manager in the Nutraceutical field.
The title of the lecture is: The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement.
I would like to thank the Humanistic Centre for having invited us here
and for the opportunity to talk about our project and our idea of society.
I would also like to thank the previous lecturers,
and in particular Professor Baracca for having pointed out a few problems in our society.
I will try not to sin of pride

Spanish: 
en él colabora tambien Daniele Mancinelli en la parte tecnica
graduado en Quimica y Tecnologia Farmaceutica, ha trabajado en su tema de master en biologia molecular en Noruega,
actualmente es un investigador manager en la investigacion y desarrollo del sector nutriceutico
El titulo de su presentacion es: El Proyecto Venus y el Movimiento Zeitgeist
Agradezco el Centro Humanista por habernos invitado
y por habernos dado la posibilidad de hablar de nuestro proyecto
y de nuestra idea de sociedad.
Agradezco tambien a los expositores anteriores,
en particular al Profesor Barracca por haber identificado algunos problemas de la sociedad
e intentare no pecar de soberbia

Spanish: 
en mi intento de dar una posible solucion
a los problemas que han sido individulizados previamente.
La tecnologia avanza a un ritmo exponencial,
y sin embargo nuestras condiciones de vida no parecen mejorar a la misma velocidad.
La sociedad parece estar en cierto modo paralizada por alguna cosa que la frena o la desvia.
Que posibilidades tiene una persona colaborar al mejoramiento de la sociedad y de la vida de todos nosotros?
Como es posible resolver los problemas que afectan la especie humana
de los cuales hemos hablado previamente?

English: 
presenting a possible solution
to the problems identified earlier.
Technology advances at an exponential rate,
and yet our living conditions don't seem to improve accordingly.
Society seems to be paralysed by something that restrain and divert it.
So, how can a normal person, like me or you,
contribute for the betterment of society and everyone's life?
How can we solve the problems affecting the human species?

English: 
Let's have a quick look at the future of the human species and how you could influence it.
I want to say that the current economic system
kills true innovation and the development of human culture,
and that we have to learn to base our activities on the resources of the planet,
living in harmony with it, rather than destroying it.
That's all. We can all go home now...
OK, I'm here to share with you some very simple thoughts,
which too often are forgotten or misunderstood.
[Exponential chart]
This chart represents the exponential growth of technology through time.

Spanish: 
Un breve analisis su un posible futuro de la especie y sobre como ustedes pueden actuar para cambiarlo.
Estoy aca para decirles que el sistema economico actual
destruye la verdadera innovacion y el desarrollo de la cultura humana,
y que debemos aprender a basar nuestras actividades en los recursos del planeta,
viviendo en armonia con él, en vez de destruirlo.
Eso fue todo, podemos irnos a casa....
He venido para compartir con Uds. algunos pensamientos muy sencillos,
que sin embargo frecuentemente los olvidamos o no los entendemos.
[Grafico exponencial]
Este grafico representa el avance exponencial de la tecnologia en el tiempo.

Spanish: 
No le puse cifras, sirve para ilustrar el concepto.
[Eje X: "Tiempo", eje Y: "Avance Tecnologico]
Qué significa un "aumento exponencial"?
Un aumento es lineal cuando con el pasar del tiempo sumo una cifra,
en cambio cuando multiplico por una cifra positiva, el aumento es exponencial.
Muchos confunden esta idea con la Ley de Moore,
segun la cual el rendimiento de los procesadores, y el numero de transistores relativos a ellos,
se duplican cada 18 meses.
Es un error.

English: 
There are no numbers because the purpose is just to show a concept.
[X Axis: "Time", Y axis: "Technological Progress"]
What does "exponential growth" mean?
A linear growth is when you add up the same relative amount through time,
but when you multiply a positive amount by itself, that's an exponential growth.
People confuse this idea with Moore's Law,
which predicts that performance and the number of transistors integrated in a CPU,
double every 18 months.
It's a mistake.

English: 
The human species has increased it's technological knowledge
which constantly has doubled every 14 months for over 100 years.
The exponential growth started long before Gordon Moore was born.
From the industrial revolution to mass production,
from the punch cards to the vacuum tubes,
not only transistors, but DNA sequencing,
reverse-engineering of the human brain,
number of inventions and discoveries, nanotechnologies,
mass media, capacity to store information,
all of them and many other aspects have undergone exponential growth.
It's hard to think in terms of exponential growth because our brain doesn't work that way,
it didn't evolve with that goal.

Spanish: 
La especie humana ha aumentado su capacidad tecnologica constantemente,
duplicando constantemente cada 14 meses desde hace mas de 100 años.
El avance exponencial ha comenzado mucho antes incluso de que Gordon Moore naciera,
Desde la revolucion industrial a la produccion de masa,
desde las tarjetas perforadas a la valvula termoionica,
no tiene que ver solo el transistor, tambien el secuenciamiento del DNA,
la ingenieria [reverse-engineering] del cerebro humano,
el numero de inventos y descubrimientos, la nanotecnologia,
los medios de comunicacion masivos, la capacidad de memorizar informacion....
todos estos y muchos otros aspectos han sufrido un aumento exponencial.
Nos es facil razonar en terminos exponenciales, no estamosm acostubrados.
Nuestro cerebro no ha evolucionado con este objetivo.

Spanish: 
Intenten imaginar: 30 años atras, en la sabana.
Tenemos que escapar de un tigre que nos quiere comer.
A qué cosas le dara importancia la seleccion natural para ayudarnos a sobrevivir?
Intenten imaginar, en términos lineares, donde estara el tigre en el arco de 10 segundos
O sea, el tigre empieza a correr, a 30-40 km/hora
o un razonamiento en términos exponenciales?
Quizas sobreviven mas aquellos que la ven desde el punto de vista lineal.
Porque sino, empezamos a correr demasiado antes, nos cansamos, y el tigre..."gnam"!
Asi que sobrevivieron aquellos que proyectaban el futuro inmediato en terminos lineales.
Qué significa razonar en términos exponenciales?

English: 
Now imagine our life 30,000 years ago, in the savannah.
We're fleeing from a tiger that wants to eat us.
What's more useful to our survival?
Being able to think in linear terms, where the tiger will be in 10 seconds
or in exponential terms?
Most likely who thinks in linear terms
Otherwise we start running too early, we get tired and the tiger...
"gnam!" So only the ones that made linear projections in the near future had survived.
What does it mean to reason in exponential terms?

English: 
This evolutionary heritage doesn't help much when we want to project ourselves into the future.
Here's an example: suppose I want to grow a bacterial colony in this glass;
I feed it and every minute the colony doubles.
(Who already knows this story please don't comment.)
The colony doubles every minute. After 60 minutes the colony has filled the glass completely and all the bacteria die.
Now, imagine that the glass is empty. After 60 minutes it's full.

Spanish: 
Este herencia evolutiva hoy no nos sirve mucho, si queremos proyectarnos en el futuro de hoy.
Les doy un ejemplo: supongamos que tengo un vaso, este vaso.
Ahora voy al laboratorio y hago reproducir una colonia de bacterias,
la nutro, para que las bacterias se reproduzcan todo lo que quieran.
Le ruego a quien ya sabe la historia no responda, sino me arruina el juego.
Ok, cada minuto, esta colonia se esta multiplicando, comiendo los recursos a disposicion y se duplica.
Luego de 60 minutos, han llenado completamente el vaso, y en ese momento mueren todas.
Imaginen el vaso vacio. Meto las baterias, se duplican cada minuto, luego de 60 minutos el vaso esta lleno.

Spanish: 
La pregunta es: a los 55 minutos, qué porcentaje del vaso ha llenado la colonia?
La mitad? Menos de la mitad?
3.125 %
3.125% a los 55 minutos. 6.250% un minuto despues, luego 12, 24....
Con 6 duplicaciones, llegamos al 120%...y muertas todas.
Imaginen estas bacterias, antropoformicemoslas un momento.
Estas bacterias se multiplican por 55 minutos, viven, se reunen, en un momento uno dice "ey muchachos, nos sirve un vaso mas grande!"
Y las otras le responden: sos tonto?

English: 
After 55 minutes, what percentage of the glass has the colony filled?
Half? Less than half?
3.125%.
3.125% after 55 minutes. 6.250% a minute later...
In the last 5 minutes the colony fills the remaining 96% and all the bacteria die.
Now let's sort of anthropomorphize these bacteria. They live, they multiply...
fiftyfive minutes of life etc., but suddenly one says: "guys, we need a bigger glass!"

English: 
"What? It's been 55 minutes and we're just at 3%, we've still got hours left..."
4 or 5 minutes and they're all dead. That's the meaning of exponential growth.
We're like those bacteria. 5 minutes on evolutionary scale is nothing and then... we're all done!
Nobody explains that in these terms. It seems too simple, but it is that simple.
The economic system is based upon exponential growth, not only when it comes to technology,
but also when it comes to the trade of goods and services for profit.
We have to buy stuff that we don't need with money that we don't have. Something doesn't work here!

Spanish: 
"Hace 55 minutos que comemos como cerdos, hacemos fiestas, y estamos al 3%! qué queres? todavia tenemos para tres horas...."
4-5 minutos y estan todos muertos. Esto es el aumento exponencial.
Nosotros somos las bacterias, y estamos al 3%. 5 minutos en términos evolutivos y estamos al horno!
Pero nadie nos lo explica en estos terminos. Porque es demasiado simple, sin embargo es asi.
El sistema economico se basa en el aumento exponencial. No solo de la tecnologia, sino del uso de los bienes
y también de la compra-venta de los bienes por una ganancia.
Tenemos que comprar cosas que no nos sirven, con el dinero que no tenemos.
Hay algo que no funciona.

Spanish: 
Gracias a este maravilloso aumento exponencial, podemos beneficiarnos de todas las comodidades de la vida moderna.
Medicina, computadoras, celulares, internet, las peliculas! los aviones! las centrales eléctricas!
Todo, o sea.
La tecnologia nos permite hacer cosas increibles.
Pero al final, me viene una pregunta. Cuales son las cosas que dan significado a mi vida?
La tecnologia?
Todas las maravillas de la ciencia y la tecnologia no son mas que millones de toneladas de basura,
a menos que sirvan a mejorarnos la vida.
La tecnologia deberia servir para liberar a las personas de los trabajos forzados, monotonos, peligrosos y repetitivos; e incluso degrandantes

English: 
Thanks to this wonderful exponential growth, we can now enjoy all the comfort of modern life.
Medicine, computers, mobile phones, internet, movies, airplanes, power plants! Everything.
Technology allows us to do incredible things.
In the end, however, I need to ask myself a question. What makes my life meaningful?
Technology?
All the wonders of science and technology are nothing but thousands of tons of junk,
unless they serve to improve people's lives.
Technology should free people from hard, monotonous,
dangerous and repetitive jobs; jobs that can even be degrading.

Spanish: 
para elevarlos a un estado en que puedan finalmente realizar su potencial
Claro, nuestra civilizacion esta aumentando el progreso tecnologico, a un ritmo exponencial, basta con mirar las cifras
pero pienso que este grafico esté incompleto, y tenemos que asociarle otra curva
[grafico exponencial y lineal]
Aca esta. Esta cuerva es la curva del Zeitgeist.
Zeitgeist es una palabra alemana que significa "el espiritu del tiempo"
se traduce algo asi como "el espiritu cultural de la sociedad a través del tiempo"
Y vemos que el Zeitgeis no està al paso. El Zeitgeist tiene un crecimiento lineal.
Porque nosotros no estamos acostumbrados a pensar en manera exponencial
Nuestro sistema educativo se basa en las proyecciones lineales, y en el enseñamiento lineal.

English: 
It should elevate them in a way that makes them able to achieve their potential.
Sure, in our civilised world technological progress grows at an exponential rate,
True, just look at the numbers;
but I believe this chart is incomplete, and we need to consider another line.
Here it is. This is the Zeitgeist line.
Zeitgeist is a German word literally meaning "spirit of time"
that is "the defining spirit or mood of society through time".
And we see that the Zeitgeist can't catch up. It's a linear trend.
Because we are not used to think in an exponential way,
our educational system is based upon linear projections and a linear way of teaching.

English: 
We don't update our knowledge at exponential rate.
Therefore the gap between the two lines becomes wider and wider.  
This is a problem.
The culture, the Zeitgeist, can't catch up with the technology. We see that every day!
Infinite economic growth is not only unsustainable, but also ecologically detrimental.
The market system is not based upon the intelligent management of the earth's limited resources,
but on their constant exploitation for profit.
Infinite growth on one hand, finite resources on the other.
That doesn't work, sooner or later one of the two will end.

Spanish: 
Los clasicos, la tradicion, el pasado...no actualizamos nuestra conciencia de manera exponencial.
La diferencia entre estas dos lineas es siempre mayor
Esto es un problema.
La curva de la cultura, del Zeitgeis, no va al mismo ritmo de la tecnologia. Lo vemos todos los dias!
El infinito crecimiento economico, no es solamente insostenible, ademas ecologicamente deletereo.
El sistema de Mercado no se funda en la gestion inteligente de los recursos (a todo esto, limitados) del planeta
sino en su continua explotacion y uso por motivos de ganancia.
Crecimiento infinito de un parte, recursos finitos de la otra.
La balanza no funciona, tarde o temprano una de las dos tiene que terminar.

Spanish: 
Todos lo que se dedican a la economia, con sus teorias...son todas pavadas! Es asi de sencillo!
No piensen que porque un razonamiento es demasiado simple entonces tiene que estar equivocado
Es asi de simple!
Tenemos recursos finitos y deseos aparentemente infinitos
Nos quieren convencer, pero no es asi. 
Algo tiene que cambiar.
Todos los dias contaminamos la tierra, los rios, los oceanos, y sobre todo la mente de las personas.
A causa de un solo motivo.
Lo he pensado un buen tiempo, y llegué a esta conclusion:
hemos olvidado qué es importante.

English: 
Economists and all their theories... load of crap!
It's that simple!
Don't think that just because an argument is simple, there has to be something wrong with it.
It really is that simple!
They want us to believe that we have finite resources and at the same time seemingly infinite desires.
But it's not like that. Something has to change.
Everyday we pollute lands, rivers, oceans, and, most important, people's minds.
There's only one reason.
I've been thinking about that and I've arrived at this conclusion:
we have forgotten what is relevant.

Spanish: 
El unico modelo economico que tiene alguna posibilidad de exito, en cualquier sociedad
se basa en la gestion y conservacion de los recuros, y no en el dinero, que es solo un invento.
Los recursos en cambio son reales.
Esto es lo que he aprendido del Movimiento Zeitgeis y del Proyecto Venus,
y es por este motivo que he decidido ser el coordinador italiano
y dedicar mi tiempo libre a este proyecto.
La pregunta es entonces: como podemos llevar esta curva [la del Zeitgeist]
al mismo ritmo de la curva de la tecnologia? Evitando asi el colapso.
Yo cre que la respuesta esta en una simple palabra:
(la palabra es simple, la resolucion es dificil...)
"Educacion"
La educacion es la unica cosa que nos puede salvar

English: 
The only economic model that has a chance to succeed, in any society
is based upon the management and preservation of the resources
not on money for sure, which is an invention.
Resources, on the contrary, are real.
This is what I've learned from the Zeitgeist Movement and the Venus Project,
and that's the reason why I decided to become the Italian coordinator
and dedicate my spare time to this project.
So the question is: How do we bring this line [the Zeitgeist]
up to the level of the technology? And by doing so, preventing the collapse.
I think the answer is held in a simple word:
The word is simple, but achieving the resolution is difficult
"Education".
Education is the only thing that can save us.

Spanish: 
Y es asi que el Movimiento Zeitgeist entra en juego.
Se trata de un movimiento social que tende a un cambio de valores a escala global,
para alzar el Zeitgeist, o sea el espiritu cultural de la sociedad,
y llevarlo a un nivel mas humano y sano, basado en los recursos de la Tierra,
en nuestros conocimientos cientificos y tecnologicos,
y en la liberacion de las personas, que finalmente puedan dedicarse a aquello
que consideran mas importante en sus vidas y asi elevar su potencia.
Esto es lo importante.
Casi todos los problemas que la especie humana esta enfrentando
se pueden resolver desde un punto de vista tecnico.
No hay ninguna duda al respecto, preguntenle a cualquier cientifico que haya hecho un minimo,
un minimo de investigacion, verdadera, en esta materia.

English: 
and here the Zeitgeist Movement comes into play
It is a social movement that points to a radical change of our values on a global scale
to elevate the zeitgeist, the cultural level of the society,
to a more humane and sane level, based on the earth's resources,
on our scientific and technological knowledge,
and on freedom of people, that can finally dedicate themselves to
what they feel is most important for their lives, and by doing so, elevate their potential.
That's it. That is what is relevant.
For almost all the problems that humanity is facing
a technical solution can be found.
No doubt about this. You can ask any scientist that has done a minimum
of real research, on this argument.

English: 
Nobody will tell you that problems can't have a technical solution.
Energy problems would not exist
if we did not use a paralyzing system that has to invest in non-renewable energy.
We have nano photovoltaic solar cells that are efficient and at the same time economic;
the production of solar energy has been doubling every 24 months over the last 20 years.
Google and Kurzweil predicted that we are only at eight doubling of distance
This means that if the trend we have seen the last 20 years continues the next 16
we can soon cover the worldwide energy need only by solar energy.

Spanish: 
Ninguno en el mundo les puede decir que los problemas que tenemos hoy no tengan una solucion tecnica.
Los problemas energeticos serian irrelevantes si no tuvieramos un sistema paralizante
que tiene que invertir en fuentes no renovables
Tenemos paneles solares nano-fotovoltaicos que son eficientes y economicos,
la produccion de energia solar duplica cada 24 meses desde hace 20 años
Google y Kurzweil han previsto que estamos a distancia de solo a 8 duplicaciones
o sea, significa que con el trend de los ultimos 20 años aplicados a los proximos 16, tendremos la produccion total
de energia de todo el mundo, solo a traves de la energia solar.

Spanish: 
Las instalaciones off-shore de eolico son cada vez mas una realidad, y se amortizan en pocos años.
Cada semana sale la noticia de alguna nacion o corporacion que ha instalado 50, 100 centros eolicos, cada vez mas grandes
Y son cada vez mas eficientes, se amortizan en cada vez menos tiempo y producen mas energia
Es tan obvio.
Portugal y el Reino Unido estan instando centrales maritimas [mareomotorias]
Una forma de energia que ni siquiera se menciona cuando hacen conferencias sobre la energia
Energia practicamente gratuita, del mar.
Un estudio del MIT del 2006 ha demostrado que con la tecnologia de hoy, o sea no con prototipos especulativos (de aca a 20 años)
solo con la tecnologia del 2006 podriamos producir, solamente con el geotermino, suficiente energia para dar a todo el mundo la energia que sirve

English: 
The offshore wind farm installations are becoming a reality, and the investments are repaid in a few years.
Every week there are news of some nation or Corporation that has installed
50, 100 wind farms, and they are growing larger and larger.
They are becoming increasingly efficient, they repay costs in shorter time and produce more and more energy.
It's so obvious.
Portugal and the UK are already installing wave-power plants.
A form of energy which is not even mentioned during energy conferences.
Free energy, from the sea.
A 2006 MIT study has shown that with today's technology,
we are not talking about prototypes or speculations
but about technology from 2006, we could produce enough power

English: 
to satisfy all of our needs using only geothermal energy
for several thousands of years.
The geothermal energy has very low environmental impact
and with the newest generations it can be reduced to almost zero.
This energy is available right now and everywhere.
Geothermal energy is easily accessible in Italy,
and we are not using it at all. It is simple...
Who makes money from energy that doesn't cost anything?
Who's going to pay for that?
Who makes profit?
When you create abundance, the profit disappears
Therefore abundance is the enemy of profit.
Many say to me: "Energy ok ok...
but we are too many on this planet!
We are almost 7 billion, and shortly 8, 9...  

Spanish: 
mas veces aun, durante millones de años.
La geotermia es una energia de bajisimo impacto ambienta, con la de nueva generacion se reduce practicamente a cero,
esta disponibile ahora, y en todos lados. Italia es un pais riquisimo en energia geotermica
y no la explotamos minimamente. Es facil: quien gana dinero si la energia no cuesta nada?
Quien la paga? Quien lucra con ella?
Cuando hay abundancia, el lucro disminuye. Entonces, la abundancia es enemiga del lucro.
Muchos me dicen: "Ok, con la energia...pero en este planeta somos demasiados!"

English: 
maybe 10 in 2050.
How can we produce food for all? There's not enough food.
We are already exploiting most of the available land with heavy subsidized farming,
addition of herbicides , pesticides...
We have no more space!
There is no more food!  
Do not believe this, it's not true!
Sure, if we stop eating like pigs it would help ha ha...
No seriously, a healthier diet would benefit us, eat less meat
like some decades ago. However, that is a different discussion.
In any case,
technically providing food for everyone is not a problem.
Combining aeroponics, hydroponics and aquaponics in food cultivation
in a controlled environment and vertical buildings

Spanish: 
"Somos casi 7 billones, dentro de poco 8, 9, capaz 10 en el 2050. Como podemos producir alimentos para todos?"
"Estamos ya utilizando todos los terrenos, con un agricultura de subsitencia fuertisima, herbicidas, pesticidas, "
"no hay mas espacio, na hoy mas alimento".
No les crean, no es cierto!
Ok, si si dejasemos de comer como cerdos todos los dias tal vez resolvemos el problema....
Fuera de broma, no nos haria mal comer un poco mejor, un poco menos de carne -como antes-
Pero bueno
Tecnicamente no es un problema. Una combinacion de cultivo aeroponico, hidroponico e acuaponico.
bajo ambiente controlado en estructuras verticales

Spanish: 
reduce drasticamente el efecto ecologico y el consumo de agua.
90% de agua mas, y 80% menos de espacio, con respecto a la agricultura tradicional.
El 100% de pesticidas y herbicidas menos. Ninguno!
Los pesticidas y herbicidas son derivados del petroleo. No les crean a lo que dicen que no hay espacio. Son engaños!
[Pregunta del publico] "Como se llaman los cultivos que dijiste?"
Hidroponico, Acuaponico y Aeroponico. Son metodos de cultivo sin tierra.
En el agua, en e aire a traves del vapor, las radices y las hojas absorben
o bien se pueden hacer sistemas integrados donde los peces viven en simbiosos con las plantas
los desechos de los peces son los nutrientes de las plantas, y viceversa

English: 
drastically reduce the ecological footprint and the water demand:
we would save 90% water and 80% space if we compare it to traditional methods.
It would require no pesticides at all.
Pesticides and weed-killers are made from petroleum derivates in most cases.
Don't believe anyone saying there's no space. That's not true.
Nonsense!
[A question from the audience] "What's the name of these cultivation methods you talked about?"
Hydroponics, Aquaponics and Aeroponics. These methods doesn't need earth.
What's used is water, air (water vapor absorbed by the roots or the leaves)
Otherwise you can use an integrated system where fish and plants live in symbiosis,
the plants works as fish food and the organic residues from the fish works as nutrients for the plants.

English: 
A continuous cycle, integrated, it works fine
No waste, no need for herbicides, pesticides or other petroleum derivates.
It creates abundance for everyone.
But where is the profit?
I could go on with these examples, but you can find many free books, videos and links to scientific publications,  
just go on our website and you find the links to New Scientist, Nature, Science, PhysOrg
and there's also the Singularity University which is working on some projects at Stanford
On www.zeitgeistitalia.org you can find all the references,
at the end of the presentation you'll find the links,
the PDF available on the website will contain all the details with the links.
The problem is that the people don't have the slightest idea

Spanish: 
es un reciclaje continuo, integrado. Funciona perfectamente, no se tira nada
No hay necesitdad de herbicidas, pesticidas, petroleo...crea abundancia para todos.
Pero por qué hacerlo? Donde esta la ganancia?
Podria seguir, pero me detengo aca. Hay libros, videos, publicaciones, todo gratuito,
lo pueden ver todo en nuestro sitio www.zeitgeistitalia.org estan los links
al New Scientis, Nature, Science, Physorg, todas las publicaciones cientificas detalladas con los nombres de los autores
esta la Singularity University en Stanford que trabaja en estos proyectos
en www.zeitgeistitalia.org pueden ver todas las referencias, al final de las presentaciones estan los links y el pdf

Spanish: 
El problema es que la gente no tiene la mas palida idea de que estas soluciones existen.
Todas estas posibilidades tecnologicas las tenemos en las manos, hoy, en el 2010, no en el 2200 tipo Star Trek...
y como es posible que estamos yendonos al precipicio con todo esto a disposicion nuestra?
Segun un informe de las Naciones Unidas del 2010, cada 5 segundos un niño muere de hambre.
Acaba de morir otro.
Piensen un poco lo que significa.

English: 
that these solutions actually exist.
All these technologies are here, possible in 2010
in 2010, no speculations about 2200 when we'll be like Star Trek!
We have all this available...
how is it possible that even though we have these technologies,
our society is moving towards a precipice?
According to a UN report of 2010, every 5 seconds a child die from starvation.
Another child is dead.
Think about what it means.

Spanish: 
Hoy podriamos alimentar tranquilamente todo el mundo y aun mas, muchisimo mas, pero no lo hacemos.
Por qué?
Por el lucro?
Me vuelve a la cabeza la pregunta: "qué es imporante, qué cosa da un significado a mi vida?"
Hay multinacionales como Monsanto que han patentado formas de vida.
Venden semillas esteriles a los agricultores, y estos se encuentran en una trampa de abogados y patentes,
y si no siguen el juego, estan fritos.
Estas son las cosas que la gente tiene que saber.

English: 
Today, we could provide food for everyone and many more
but we don't do that
Why?
For profit?
A question comes back to my mind
What is relevant?
What makes my life meaningful?
There are multinational corporations like Monsanto that actually patented life forms.
They sell infertile seeds to farmers
and these people find themselves trapped between lawyers and patents
and if they don't obey the rules, they're over.
These are the things that people must know.

Spanish: 
Porque, para resolver un problema, hay algunas cosas fundamentales que son necesarias:
1. Primero tenes que saber que existe.
Sino, si pensas que todo esta bien, y yo te digo "tengo una solucion"
me vas a decir "qué decis? yo estoy bien asi, qué querés de mi vida?"
2. Tenes que encontrar una solucion.
Sino se habla de problemas sin proponer ninguna solucion....
3. Tenes que encontrar un numero adecuado de personas que se dediquen a resolverlo.
Solo despues podes comenzar a hacer algo "practico".
me olvide mis "comillas"
el primo paso a superar es la carencia mental, muchachos
y esto se logra solo a traves de la educacion.

English: 
To solve a problem, there are some basic and necessary conditions:
1. First of all, you must be aware that there is a problem.
Otherwise you would think that everything's alright and if someone gives you a solution,
the reaction could be: "A solution to what? I'm fine, what do you want from me?"
2. You must find a solution.
Otherwise, you would just keep talking without doing anything.
3. You must find an appropriate number of people dedicated to solve it.
Then you can start doing practical things.
The first step is to get through mental scarcity,
and this is achieved only through education.
Broadly speaking

English: 
Not by memorizing details.
But education regarding all the areas of our lives.
Education is how to talk with people
how to be empathetic, to know how to raise a child,
to know how to teach, learning how to hear what others have to say.
Education is all our life.
Don't get fooled by how words have been deformed during the last years:
science = atomic bomb,
education = go to school and get good grades
Nothing like that!
Many people ask me: "So, is Zeitgeist Movement just about educating other people?
Why don't you start by doing something more practical?
The first pilot city?
When will you start gathering some funds

Spanish: 
La educacion no es aprender de memoria los teoremas de Euclides o los de Pitagoras.
La educacion tiene que ver con toda la vida
La educacion es saber como hablar con la gente, como ser empaticos
La educacion es saber criar un niño, saber enseñar, saber escuchar a los demas
La educacion es toda nuestra vida
No se dejen engañar por como han distorsionado las palabras en los ultimos años
Ciencia = bomba atomca
educacion=ir a la escuela y sacar buenas notas
Nada de todo eso.
Muchos me dicen: "pero el Movimiento Zietgeist se ocupa solo de educar?"
Cuando empiezan a hacer algo practico? La primera ciudad piloto? Cuando empiezan a recolectar un poco de dinero

English: 
to make the perfect city, where everything is recycled
and people just come and they are all served by machines that do everything for them?"
Who asks these type of questions didn't understand what we are talking about.
Imagine placing an Australian aborigine in the centre of Manhattan, in Times Square.
Try to imagine how he could feel.
Probably he would go crazy after 3 or 4 days.
Now picture placing a person who strongly believes
in the current economic and political system based on profit,
and place them into a sustainable city, where everything is recycled and people help each other
They will go crazy after 2 days
Where is the police?

Spanish: 
y hacen la ciudad perfecta, donde todo se recicla y la gente viene a vivir y las maquinas hacen todo...?"
Cuando es que hacen algo concreto?
Quien se hace estas preguntas, no ha entendido nada.
Imaginense agarrar un aborigen australiano
Hagamos un experimento mental como hacia Einstein
Agarren este aborigen y metanlo en el centro de Manhattan, en TImes Square.
Imaginen como se podria sentir. Probablemente enloqueceria en 3-4 dias.
Bueno, ahora imaginen una persona completamente convencida del sistema economico y politico basado en el lucro de hoy en dia
y metanla en una ciudad super sostenible, donde todo se recicla, la gente se ayuda entre si
este tipo se vuelve loco en 3 dias.

English: 
Where are the door locks? The security?
Seriously, before attempting to do anything, you must understand why you are doing it!
From my point of view, we've got two options.
Option Number zero: maintain the status quo.
What is the world going to be like?
If we look at the trends, we can make predictions for the next 10, 20, 30 years.
I see a world dominated by an oligopoly of corporations.
They will hold patents on everything: new ideas, inventions, technology, medicines...
and life.

Spanish: 
"Donde esta la policia? Porque las casas no tienen cerraduras? como hago con la seguridad...aaaaahh"
Seamos serios. Antes de hacer cualquier cosa
tienen que entender por qué lo estan haciendo.
Segun como la veo yo, tenemos dos posibilidades.
Posibilidad numero cero: continuar con lo status quo.
Dejemos todo asi como esta.
Que tipo de mundo tendremos?
Estudiando las tendencias del pasado, podemos hacer una prevision de como sera dentro de 10, 20, 30 años
Yo imagino un oligopolio de multinacionales que controlan todo
Tendran los derechos sobre las ideas, los inventos, la tecnologia en general, la medicina
Sobre la vida.

Spanish: 
La tecnologia aumentara a un ritmo tan rapido
(esto es solo el inicio, en el cual comienza un aumento significativo, el tiempo mas adelante no figura en el grafico, sino se hubiese perdido la linea azul,
la linea azul no seria ni siquiera distinguible del eje x, mientras que la otra seria practicamente una linea recta vertical)
El aumento exponencial con cifras pequeñas es insignificante, cuando las cifras son significativas se va fuera de control, es inimaginable
La distancia entre las dos lineas sera tan grande que la persona media no tendra la mas minimia idea de lo que esta sucediendo
"Oh dios, oh dios, no entiendo nada....ahhh!"
"busco una figura autoritaria que me de seguridad"

English: 
Technology will grow at a rate so fast...
This is only the beginning and there's a significant increase
I didn't mark the next steps otherwise you wouldn't even see the blue line,
you wouldn't notice the difference between the blue line and the X axis, as the other line goes straight up, almost vertically.
Exponential growth doesn't seem relevant when you consider small numbers
but it goes out of control as numbers get bigger. It's difficult to understand what's happening.
The gap between the 2 lines will be so huge that the average person will not have a clue of what's happening
and will search an authority figure who would give security

English: 
More locks on our houses, more police,
full body scan, even on the train,
even in the public offices.
If you eat a paper clip, they'll shot you because they think you have a bomb... (joking)
Relax, relax.
In 20 years a microchip will be at the size of a singular cell and it will cost the same as cheap paper.
Trough nanotechnology we'll have the ability to alter materials at molecular level, at very low cost.
That means having the possibility to replicate anything, only having the basic structure's information.
The question is: who controls these technologies?

Spanish: 
Ah, si! Metiamos mas cerraduras a nuestras casas.
Aumentemos la policia
Si!! Metiamos el escaner completo, no solo en los aeropuertos, tambien en los trenes,
y en las oficinas publicas, y si te tragaste un clip te dispararan porque pensaran que tenes una bomba....
Calma, calma.
En 20 años tendremos microchips grandes como una celula y que costaran menos que un pedazo de papel
Habra nanotecnologia avanzada, tendremos el poder de modificar la materia a nivel molecular a bajisimo costo
Eso significa poder reproducir cualquier cosa solo teniendo la informacion de la base

English: 
A handful of corporations?
Whose aim, let's not forget it, is profit!
The military?
All knowledge is shared in good science.
If it's not, it's bad science and that's a kind of tyranny.
I don't like that.
Centralized power, destroyed resources, ruined minds;
all because of the profit mechanism and for the lack of perspective on what is truely relevant.
Finally, I'm sorry to say, but...
It is possible that the human race will be extinct
because of its inability to live in dynamic equilibrium with the environment.

Spanish: 
El problema es este: quien controla estas tecnologias?
Un puñado de multinacionales?
Cuyo objetivo -recuerden- es lucrare?
Los militares?
Todos los conocimientos deben ser compartidos, en la ciencia buena. Si no lo son, es ciencia mala o una especie de tirania.
Y esto no me gusta: poder centralizado, recursos destruidos, mentes arruinadas,
todo esto es lo que dicta la logica del lucro y la carencia de prospectiva sobre aquello que es realmente importante.
Y al final, me duele decirlo, llevaria a la extincion de la especie humana por la incapacidad de vivir en equilibrio dinamico con el ambiente.

Spanish: 
Yo no soy un catastrofista, pero es una posibilidad real, si se continua con esta tendencia.
Esta era la posibilidad numero cero.
Ahora quisiera hablarles de la posibilidad numero uno: lo intentare. No digo que sea facil, o la correcta o la mejor,
pero para mi es mejor que la cero.
Comenzamos un proceso de evolucion cultural que sea adecuado a nuestros conocimientos tecnologicos.
Aplicamos el modo cientifico, abandonamos gradualmente las supersticiones irrelevantes y los dogmas paralizantes,
reconfiguramos nuestras actividades sulla base de aquello que el planeta nos ofrece,
y no aquello que quisieramos obtener del planeta,

English: 
I'm not a catastrophist, but that's a realistic possibility according to the past trends.
That was option number zero.
Now I'd like to introduce option number one, at least I'll try.
I'm not saying it's an easy one or the right one, or the best one,
but I surely think is better than option number zero.
We begin a process of cultural evolution
that is up to date with our technological understandings.
Applying the scientific method
we gradually get rid of all the irrelevant beliefs and paralyzing dogmas,
and reorient our activities on what the planet can provide,
not on what we arbitrarily would want to take.
All knowledge is shared,
everything is crystal clear,

English: 
everyone has access to resources
and available information.
Open source: free access, shared knowledge, well informed people.
In my opinion, it's impossible to prevent war, terrorism, crime,
without addressing the root causes that generates them.
Abundant resources, healthy planet, high quality education,
and high standard of living for everyone, with no exceptions.
No exceptions!
Not only 350 million Europeans, 330 million Americans, 130 million Japanese... no.
7 billion people today, 10 billion in 2060... everybody - the same high standard of living.

Spanish: 
Todos los conocimientos son compartidos, todo es transparente, todos tienen acceso a los recursos
y a los conocimientos disponibles
Open Source: libre acceso, libre conocimiento, personas informadas
Por como la veo yo, es fisicamente imposible prevenir guerras, terrorismo, criminalidad,
si no se cambian las condiciones que las han creado.
Recursos abundantes, planeta sano, educacion de elevada calidad, alto standard de vida para todos, nadie excluido.
Nadie excluido!
no solo los 350 millones de europeos, los 330 millones de norteamericanos, los 130 millones de japoneses...no.
7 billones de personas hoy, 10 en el 2060....todos, con el mismo standard de vida.

Spanish: 
Yo soy muy positivo en el futuro. Por qué?
Porque soy un loco idealista?
Tal vez...pero en realidad no veo otras posibilidades.
Segun mi modo de verla, la unica valida entre estas dos opciones es la numero uno.
Pero en realidad soy positivo porque tengo memoria.
Si, soy joven, pero tampoco naci ayer, tengo un poco de memoria de lo que sucedio en el pasado
y de aquello que veo, de las transformaciones que se han producido en nuestra cultura.
Hagamos un paso atras. Imaginen. Piensen que yo vuelva a mi profesor de economia del colegio,
Simon Foley, un inglés, 8 años atras, diciendole: "Profesor, tengo una idea extraordinaria para un nuevo modelo economico".

English: 
I'm very positive about the future
Why? Because I'm a crazy idealist?
Maybe... the truth is I don't see any other options.
As far as I'm concerned, the only option truly valid is number one.
Actually I'm positive because I've got a memory.
Yep, I'm young but I wasn't born the other day
I remember what happened in the past
and what I've seen, the change in our culture.
Let's step back. Imagine...
Imagine that I went back to my professor of economy at college,
Simon Folley, an Englishman, 8 years ago,
saying: "Professor!"
"I've got an extraordinary idea for a new economic model."
Here's how it works: you take a bunch of people around the world

English: 
with a highly qualified job,
and they work on a project for free, 20 or 30 hours a week".
At this point Simon looks a little bit skeptical
"Wait, I'm not finished yet!
What they create is given to the world,
for free, instead of selling it.
It's going to be a huge success!"
He would have thought I was a nuthead to immediately imprison!
Nevertheless, today we have Linux and BSD
completly free operating systems
running on almost every server in the world;
Apache, the most popular web server in the world,
Wikipedia, the largest encyclopedia in the history of humanity,

Spanish: 
"Funciona asi: se toman algunas personas en el mundo que hacen un trabajo altamente calificado
pero que estas dispuestas a hacerlo gratis y voluntariamente, 20 o 30 horas a la semana"
Ya Simon me empieza a mirar esceptico
"Espere, no he terminado!
Lo que crean, lo regalan al mundo,
gratis, en vez de venderlo. Sera un exito!"
Hubiese pensado que estaba loco de remate.
Y sin embargo hoy, tenemos Linux y BSD, sistemas operativos libres,
que usan una gran parte de los server del mundo;
Apache, utilizado practicamente en todos los web server del mundo, Wikipedia, la enciclopedia mas grande de la historia de la humanidad,

Spanish: 
mas precisa que la enciclopedia Britanica y que Microsoft Encarta, que tienen equipos de expertos pagados y extra-pagados
que escriben articulos que a veces no son ni un decimo de los de Wikipedia.
Qué esta pasando? Por qué esta gente que ya tiene un trabajo, estan tecnicamente formados,
y sin embargo, durante su escaso tiempo libre, estan dispuestos a hacer otro trabajo, mas dificil aun,
no para sus clientes sino para otros. GRATIS!
Es un comportamiento economico bastante raro, no?
En solo un año de vida, el Movimiento Zeitgeist ha alcanzado en todo el mundo medio millon de inscriptos,

English: 
even more accurate than the British Encyclopedia and Microsoft Encarta
which both have paid teams of experts to work on them
and the articles are less than one tenth compared to Wikipedia.
What's happening? Why are these people,
who already have a job,
the technical skills,
people who have a sophisticated and technical job
and yet, during their limited spare time
they're willing to do another job, even more difficult and sophisticated
not for their clients, but for somebody else, for free!
It's a rather weird economic behavior, don't you think?
In just one year
the Zeitgeist movement has reached half a million members all over the world.

English: 
It has produced two movies
a third one is coming out soon, two books
and hundreds of recorded conferences all over the world.
There are hundreds of activist groups scattered across 100 countries
who translate material to their language,
organise meetings, movie screenings, discussions
create podcast, articles, music, art.
All shared for free on the internet, under a Creative Common License.
All done by volunteers.
The Italian chapter now has 10,000 contacts and keep growing every day.
Then, the old concept according to which
people only work for profit
and without the money incentive nobody will do anything,
maybe it's not true.

Spanish: 
ha producido dos peliculas, ahora esta por salir la tercera, dos libros, decenas de conferencias registradas en todo el mundo
Cientos de grupos de actividas dispersos en 100 paises en todo el mundo, que traducen el material en su idioma,
organizan conferencias, proyecciones, discusiones, crean podcast, articulos, musica, arte.
Todo distribuido gratuitamente en la red, con licencia Creative Commons. Todo hecho por voluntarios.
El Movimiento Italiano tiene unos 10.000 contactos y todos los dias, lentamente, crece.
Encontes, esta vieja creencia que dice que la gente trabaja solo por ganancia, y sin un incentivo economico nadie hace nada
tal vez no es cierta.

Spanish: 
Es dificil salir de las viejas creencias a las que estamos acostumbrados, porque somos prisioneros del "sentido comun"
No es facil darnos cuenta de algo que damos por sentado. Y la razon es....
...que lo damos por sentado!
Hemos sido abituados, por ejemplo, a creer que para que la vida tenga sentido, hay que trabajar y ganar dinero.
Cuando conocen a alguien uds dicen "Un placer, Federico. Qué haces de tu vida?"
Que quiere decir: "de qué trabajas?"
Porque no es "de que trabajas" es "quien sos".
Cuandas veces el trabajo que haces te gusta de verdad y no harias ninguna otra cosa
y si te dijesen "podes hacer lo que quieras" responderias "quiero hacer lo que estoy haciendo"?
Cuantas veces se escucha esta frase?

English: 
It's hard to break the old schemes
because we're prisoners of common sense.
It's difficult to realise that something we take for granted, right?
And the reason is...
well, that we take it for granted! That's it!
For example, we are used to believe
that for our lives to be meaningful,
we need to have a job and make money.
When you meet someone you say: "How do you do? I'm Federico.
What do you do for living?"
Meaning: "What's your job?"
It doesn't really mean "what's your job" but "who are you?"
How common is it that we really like our job
and that we wouldn't consider doing anything else?
How many times did you hear that sentence?
One out of 10, 20, 100?

Spanish: 
Una en 10, 20, 100?
O bien la creencia segun la cual algunas personas nacen malas, o competitivas,
o que sea parte de la "naturaleza humana", perdonen las comillas, luchar para sobrevivir.
Yo creo que no es cierto,
y lo digo porque los estudios cientificos mas recientes llegan a esa conclusion.
En nuestro cerebro tenemos neuronas-espejos: sentimos emociones y estres empatico en respuesta a lo que vemos en los demas.
Es parte de nuestra biologia, no lo estoy inventando yo, muchachos.

English: 
What about the belief that some people are born evil, or competitive,
and that it is " the human nature"
to fight
to survive.
I think that's not true.
And the most recent scientific research lead us to this conclusion.
In our brain, there are mirror neurons
we feel emotions and empathic stress
in response to what we see in others.
It's part of our biology.
We are programmed by natural selection to be empathic
cooperative

English: 
curious
and not competitive, destructive and lazy.
But we have forgotten that.
We have to broaden our sense of identity
to all human beings
and all the other living creatures that belong to our evolutionary family
and the biosphere as our community.
Quoting Carl Sagan:
"We are one planet"
What we are celebrating with this conference is the gift of human imagination,
the ability to imagine a different future.
As Sir Ken Robinson said:
"We have to be careful now that we use this gift wisely,
and that we avert some of the scenarios that we've talked about.

Spanish: 
Estamos programados por la seleccion natural para ser empaticos, cooperativos, curiosos;
y no  competitivos, destructivos y vagos.
Pero lo hemos olvidado.
Tenemos que agrandar nuestro sentido de identidad, extendiendolo a toas las personas de la especie humana y demas criaturas,
que forman parte de nuestra familia evolutiva, y a la biosfera como nuestra comunidad.
en palabras del gran Carl Sagan "nosotros somos un planeta".
Lo que esta conferencia quiere celebrar es el don de la imaginacion humana,
la capacidad de imaginar un futuro distinto.
Como dijo Sir Ken Robinson, tenemos que tener cuidado de usar este don sabiamente,
y evitar algunos de los escenarios de los que hemos hablado.

English: 
And the only way we’ll do it is by seeing our creative capacities for the richness they are."
If we really are an empathic society, let's show our true nature.
If we don't allow our creativity to get repressed by the educational system and the establishment,
we can open a dialogue, from here, to lay the foundations for a new civilization.
Let's start rethinking the role of the human species on this planet.
A collaborative society
is far more efficient than a competitive one.
Together we can lay the foundations for a new civilization, empathic
sustainable
evolved, humane.
Thank you

Spanish: 
Y lo haremos solo si sabremos ver nuestras capacidades creativas por la riqueza que son.
Si realmente somos una sociedad empatica, hagamos ver nuestra verdadera naturaleza
Si realmente logramos no ser reprimidos en la creatividad por parte del sistema educativo y las instituciones,
podemos iniciar realmente un dialogo, desde aca, desde los fundamentos para una nueva civilizacion.
Empecemos a pensar al rol de la especie humana en este planeta, una sociedad colaborativa es mucho mas eficiente que una competitiva,
juntos podemos sentar las bases para una nueva civilizacion
empatica
sostenible
en evolucion
humana
Gracias!

English: 
Any questions?
I really like the name of the movement...
Zeitgeist... the spirit of the time
in particular the word "spirit"
because it's in some way connected with spirituality, with something deeper.
I agree with everything you said, I was already aware of it,

Spanish: 
Alguna pregunta?
A mi me gusta mucho el nombre que han elegido...Zeitgeist...el espiritu del tiempo
sobre todo me gusta la palabra espiritu
porque de algun modo conecta con la espiritualidad, con aquello que es profundo
Estoy muy de acuerdo con todo lo que dijiste
dejas una puerta abierta de algun modo

Spanish: 
pero quisiera saber mas sobre la espiritualidad, como lo ven?
Gracias
El movimiento tiene como objetivo fundamental establecer las bases sociales
para dar la posibilidad a todos los seres humanos de hacerlos florecer, en todos los aspectos,
desde el aspecto educativo, al de las relaciones interpersonales, y tambien al aspecto espiritual
y aquello que segun nosotros es la prioridad es dar a todos la posibildad de que cada uno pueda finalmente realizarse
y entonces cuando uno tenga acceso a los recursos y no tendra que trabajar para ganarse la vida
ya que podemos, a traves de la automatizacion y el uso de tecnologias avanzadas, sin el minimo problema

English: 
but I'd like to know, how do you see the spiritual aspect?
Thank you
Well, the movement has the aim to provide the social foundations
to give every human being the opportunity to flourish, in all their aspects,
education, social relationships, and also spirituality.
Our priority is to make sure that everyone can realize their potential
and when one has access to the resources one needs
and no longer need to work to make a living,
because we can, through automation and advanced technologies,
without any problem,

Spanish: 
dar a todos agua potable, casas, energia y alimentos, a todos
cuando estas condiciones estan presentes y cuando vos naces y por derecho a la vida tenes acceso a todos estos recursos,
entonces podes comenzar a descubrir tu espiritualidad sin estar estresado por el trabajo, por aquello que te dicen y te imponen,
y cuando la educacion sera una educacion que te enseñe a ser pro-positivo
a pensar, meter en discusion la naturaleza, la vida, las cosas que te enseñan, tu espiritualidad, el mundo, las estrellas
cuando finalmente tengas el tiempo para poderte dedicar a ello entonces podras pensar a tu espiritualidad de una manera mucho mas eficaz de como podes hacerlo ahora
ahora primaro tenes que "desmaterializarte" de aquello que te aflije
O sea, estas estresado por mil cosas, el mundo se te viene encima, entonces que haces?

English: 
provide clean water, houses, energy and food for everyone.
When we can meet these conditions, and you as a birthright have access those resources,
then you can begin to discover your spirituality
without being stressed from work, from impositions.
When the education will be able to teach you to be
proactive, to be critical thinker, to discuss about nature, life...
things that teaches you stuff, your spirituality, the world, the stars...
finally you'll have the time to dedicate to your interests and you can think about spirituality in a much more efficient way than you are able to do now.
Now, you need to first separate from the material world
you are so stressed from many things
you need to practice meditation

Spanish: 
Tenes que hacer meditacion y tratar de alejarte del mundo para poder entrar en contacto con tu espiritualidad
si no tuvieras que usar tiempo y energia estresandote a vos mismo y tratando de eliminar el estres del capitalismo, de la publicidad, de vender-comprar....no seria mucho mas facil?
Lo que nosotros pensamos ahora es que es mucho mas importante educar a las personas sobre lo que se tiene que hacer y como hacerlo
El Proyecto Venus no es el final, sino el inicio del camino.
Como la vemos nosotros, la sociedad en la que vivimos hoy no es civilizada,
una sociedad sera civilizada cuando todos tendran acceso a los recursos
cuando las producciones seran automatizadas
cuando uno podra tener un huerto por pasion, no porque muere de hambre
cuando uno puede ser artesano porque le gusta,
hace su escultura, y despues como no la tiene que vender para vivir
a lo mejor la regala a alguien.

English: 
in order to finally enter in deeper contact with your spirituality and your reasoning capabilities.
If you didn't have to wash off the daily stress
of the capitalism, of the profit, of the sell & buy thing...
without all the worries wouldn't everything be easier?
So our primary focus at the moment is to educate people on what we could do
and on how we can build the foundations.
The Venus Project is not the end, it is the beginning of the path.
The way we see it, the society where we live
is not civilized yet.
A society will be civilized when everyone has access to the resources
when production will be automated.
One can cultivate vegetables as a hobby, not because he or she wants to avoid dying of starvation,
a man that is an artisan can continue to work because he likes it
and his craft, since he doesn't have to sell it to live,
perhaps can be donated to someone.

English: 
Then we realize that doing something for others, to donate,
gives much more satisfaction than producing something for yourself
and that's why the moving forward will be together!
Many think to the dualism rich and poor,
the poor hate the rich and the rich is scared from the poor.
That's it and that's wrong!
We need also the rich people on board and we must to allow them to understand that the best way to be happy
is to give something... to help each other.
Not just for a sort of mystic reason,
it is just scientifically true.
fMRI scanning tests showed the reactions
of peoples brains under a neurochemical point of view
when they perform an action for self interest
and when they do something which is good also for the others.
The satisfaction that you receive when you do something for the others is much, much greater
and this is what we need to understand.

Spanish: 
es la realizacion de hacer algo por los demas, el hecho de donar, te da mucha mas satisfaccion que hacerte las cosas para vos mismo y tenertelas vos
y es por ello que juntos es el unico futuro que tenemos por delante
muchos piensan en el dualismo ricos-pobres
los pobres odian a los ricos
los ricos tienen miedo de los pobres
es asi, y no es justo
nostros necesitamos tambien de los ricos, y hacerles entender que la unica manera en que podran ser felices
es donando algo, ayudando a los demas
y no por algun motivo pseudo-mistico
es asi, cientificamente
a traves de estudios de escaneo fMRI, han visto las reacciones, desde el punto de vista neuroquimico, sobre como funciona el cerebro cuando haces algo para vos mismo
o cuando lo extendes hacia los demas
y la satisfaccion que recibis cuando haces algo por los demas es mucho mayor
y es esto lo que tenemos que hacer entender

English: 
If you look at the "rich" people,
they are the social category with the highest rate of suicides
and use of antidepressant drugs, they often are depressed
because they have been educated and instructed since young age to do one thing:
to think that the most important thing in life is to make money
and that the acquisition of material wealth will give them happiness.
But getting older 30-40-55-70 years old
they begin realizing that their lives have been useless
and that they have learned to do just things that make them unhappy.
So why don't we try to help them to realize, beginning right now,
the importance of concepts like sharing and cooperation?
I believe that this is also a kind of spirituality
what we define as "Social Therapy".

Spanish: 
si se fijan, los ricos
forman la categoria social que exhibe el mayor porcentaje de suicidios, uso de psicofarmacos, que son maniaco-depresivos
porque han sido educados desde que son niños de una sola manera:
a pensar que el valor mas importante sea hacer dinero y que la adquisicion de bienes materiales los llevara hacia la felicidad
despues cuando tienen 30-40-50-60 años
se dan cuenta de que su vida fue inutil y que la unica cosa que saben hacer los hace mas infelices
entonces por qué no cortar el circulo y hacerles entender a ellos tambien
que pueden ser mas felices si comparten las cosas y si colaboran con los demas?
Para mi esto es espiritualidad
es lo que llamamos "terapia social"
la educacion verdadera es tambien educacion a la espiritualidad,

English: 
True education also involves education in spirituality.
Education about communication with other people,
about our relationship with nature,
with other species
that at times, we mistreat or treat worse than we treat objects.
This is spirituality as well.
Do you have other questions?
When will the new Zeitgeist movie be released?
The global release will be January 2011.
The name of the new movie will be "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward".
It will be released around mid January 2011.
It should be released with more than 20 languages in over 60 countries.
We will try to release it also in some selected movie theatres

Spanish: 
la educacion a la relacion con otras personas
a la relacion con la naturaleza
con las otras especies
que maltratamos y tratamos peor que a los objetos
esto tambien es espiritualità!
Alguna otra pregunta?
Cuando sale el proximo film de Zeitgeist?
El proximo film de Zeitgeist que se llama Moving Forward, sale a mitad de enero 2010 [se equivoca, 2011]
esta previsto el estreno mundial en mas de 20 idiomas, en mas de 60 paises
intentaremos que lo pasen tambien en algunos cines seleccionados

Spanish: 
organizado por parte de los grupos ciudadanos del Movimiento Zeitgeist
Aqui tenemos mucho material que distribuimos gratuitamente
tenemos DVD de Zeitgeist Addendun y de la presentacion multimedial del movimiento
tambien tenemos copias de la "Guia de orientamiento para el activista"
son mis copias personales pero si alguien las quiere se las regalo sin problema
de todos modos se pueden descargar del sitio en formato PDF e imprimirlo o comprar el libro
a precio de impresion, sin lucro para nosotros, a traves de un servicio externo
yo quisiera hacerle una pregunta a Daniele
hola Daniele, me interesa mucho tu experiencia

English: 
in an event organized from local Chapters of the Zeitgeist Movement.
Here there are some materials that we provide for free:
we have some DVD's of Zeitgeist Addendum and the Activist Guide for the movement, video version,
then we have copies of the "Activist Guide" written version.
They are my private copies, but if there are people very interested about the subject I'll donate them gladly.
By the way you can download it from our website as PDF file and print it  
or buy it as a book at the production cost,
no profit, we use an external service.
The cost you pay is what you get at home, no extra charge.
I would like to ask only a question... to Daniele.
Hello Daniele, I am very interested on your experience
for your double "face".
You work for a big Corporation,

English: 
one of the most important in their sector,
and at the same time you are a member of the Zeitgeist Movement.
Certainly you are trying to bring the "Spirit of the new time"
also inside that company you work with.
Within the education of the society, previously mentioned by Federico,
it's very important the education of the other scientists.
I wanted to ask you how it is going, could you talk about it?
What about your life?
It was actually my working experience
that drew me torward the Zeitgeist Movement.
Because my position,
I would define it as a "favorite" position, which allows me to observe
the detrimental effects that the profit based system
and the competition that the Corporation must
constantly reinforce produces on people.

Spanish: 
el hecho de que trabajes para una gran multinacional y al mismo tiempo formes parte del Movimiento Zeitgeist
y pienso que trataras de llevar el "espiritu del tiempo" a tu empresa
o sea que ademas de la base social, como dice Federico
es muy importante tambien la educacion de otros cientificos
te queria preguntar como lograr esto, y si nos podes decir algo de tu vida?
Fue mi experiencia la que me llevo a unirme al movimiento Zeitgeist
porque mi posicion, casi favorita,

English: 
Many of my colleges are a fantastic people,
great family fathers and so on,
but every day some of them find themselves obliged to take horrible choices,
taken in order to "save" the Corporation they work within,
from which they depend
and upon which many people depend.
From my experience i can observe that
the problem is not that people are bad,
but it is the global design of the profit based system
that generates the conditions that allows only companies which are strongly competitive
and without inhibiting brakes, to survive
and to dominate and impose the game's rules.
Because the design of a competitive system is:
who wins set the game's rules.
Who wins is nearly always who has the least inhibiting brakes.
I also observed many companies, honest and guided by fantastic people
that went bankrupt because they couldn't sustain the competition.

Spanish: 
me permite observar los efectos deletereos que el sistema, el lucro y la competencia de las grandes corporaciones ejercen sobre las personas
como por ejemplo mis colegas
que son personas maravillosas
optimos padres de familia, etc...
pero cada dia estan obligados a tomar decisiones horribles
para "salvar" la empresa en la que trabajamos
de la cual dependen muchas personas
y de ahi puedo entender que el problema no es la maldad de las personas
sino el diseño global del sistema del lucro y ganancia
que genera las condiciones por las cuales solo las empresas que son fuertemente selectivas, competitivas y sin escrupulos viven y dominan e imponen las reglas del juego
porque en el diseño del sistema competitivo es quien gana el que impone las reglas del juego
y quien gana es siempre quien tiene menos inhibiciones
he visto tambien muchas compañias honestas, guiadas por personas fantasticas caer en bancarrota porque no podian sostener ese mercado

English: 
We have the wrong feeling that the people are bad and selfish.
The reality is that the system by design selects just the people that are most selfish
and without inhibitions, elevating them to the positions of the winners.
It appears like we can only see who wins,
but we are unable to understand that most of the people who lose
instead were the people that wanted to do something for the common good.
So we highlight only the 5% of the people who wins that has no inhibitions
and we believe that the whole society is like that, but that's a bias.
I can witness this from the inside, I work in one of these Corporations.
I am in constant competition with other scientists,
I constantly try to share what i know and what is funny
is that I can observe how what you have inside is manifested into the reality,
because when I try to share my knowledge with the others, like I'd do living in a Venus Project,
often the other refuse to receive what i want to share,
because they were afraid that this is a trap of my competitive system to eliminate them!
Basically one by one lost their positions in the company,

Spanish: 
nuestra vision errada nos lleva a creer que las personas son malas y egoistas, pero
la realidad es que el sistema selecciona solo las personas mas egoistas y sin escrupulos convirtiendolas en vencedores
y nosotros vemos solo esa minoria de vencedores
sin darnos cuenta de quien no gana porque queria hacer algo por los demas
pero les aseguro que no es asi
soy yo mismo testigo, trabajando en esta corporacion y estando en permanente competencia con otros investigadores
y aun cuando intento compartir algo con ellos como por ejemplo hablandoles del Proyecto Venus
no confian en mi
porque piensan que sea una tecnica competitiva para "eliminarlos"

English: 
thus in only five years I progressed from simple foreigner research scientist in a Norwegian Corporation,
to research manager, because one after the other,
all the people that didn't want to cooperate with me,
got themselves out of job.
[Background: so you are the living prove that cooperation is useful!]
Exactly! The cooperation is the most efficient.
What i did to allow my department to work properly
and win against the competition of Corporations like bip, bip and other Corporations,
was to employ two Italians, bring them with me to Norway,
guys that I can trust and that trust me.
We created a team, and what happened?
That three scientist produce better results than a hundred scientists from Bip,
because a hundred scientists of bip are competing with each other,
thus Bip can only utilize the best idea of the best scientist of the hundred available,
so its statistical probability of technological advancement is equal to best of the hundred scientists,
while we are three but synergic scientists.

Spanish: 
pero es en perjuicio de ellos mismos
porque se auto-eliminaron alejandose de mi
mientras yo pase de ser un simple investigador a manager
[O sea que sos la prueba viviente que colaborar es esencial?]
Si! la colaboracion es la cosa mas eficiente
lo que tuve que hacer para llegar donde estoy ahora "luchando" contra otras multinacionales
ha sido llevarme conmigo a Noruega dos italianos
con los cuales tenemos una confianza reciproca
y hemos creado un grupo
de solo tres personas pero que colaboramos para el mismo esfuerzo
y que a diferencia de otras multinacionales con grupos de 100 personas que compiten entre ellas
donde uno trabaja solo para uno mismo, creando asi un 1 %

Spanish: 
contra nuestro 100%
ademas porque nosotros trabajamos compartiendo los conocimientos y no teniendolo para nosotros
y esto es lo que podemos hacer todos nosotros
es una cuestion de sensibilidad
[Si, otra pregunta]
Han previsto este tipo de conferencias en las escuelas, o sea aquellos ambitos di de-formacion mental de las diversas generaciones?
Gracias, es una pregunta excelente!
Si! Realmente!

English: 
So three normal people can beat a hundred competing with each other,
because we cooperate and we share our knowledge,
this is what we can do at all levels.
This is just a cultural issue!
[Yes, another question]
I was wondering if you have thought about preparing similar type of conferences
prepared to be presented at schools.
These environments of "mental deformation" of the next generations 
[Note: she refers to the scolar environment]
Thank you for the great question.
Yes, we certainly did.

English: 
One of our project is called GDL (educational work group).
The basic idea is to prepare some sort of mini-guides dedicated to teachers and others to students,
so one for the teachers to help them
to update their way of teaching to their students.
We could produce material for first grade students or even from kindergarden,
maybe using pictures, then comics and progressively increasing the complexity.
Create maybe instead of the typical stupid comics,
where there is a good guy killing the bad guy,
but one where people are cooperating and discover something about nature,
look at the stars and ask a question
and another answer the question explaining what is a star is
and shows the importance of information sharing.
So these type of projects are one of our priorities
We have to consider that our movement is very young,

Spanish: 
Uno de nuestros GDL (grupos de trabajo) se llama justamente "Educacion"
se ocupa de los proyectos para realizar mini guias, ya sea para docentes que para estudiantes
asi los docentes pueden enseñar de una manera diferente
y para los mas chiquitos
con historietas e ideas similares
que se van a haciendo cada vez mas elaboradas
para explicar conceptos como la colaboracion
mirando la naturaleza, los animales, las estrellas
colaborando tambien entre ellos en el descubrimiento
y tambien las conferencias en las escuelas, que son nuestras prioridades

Spanish: 
Siendo que nacimos hace poco como movimiento, y como hemos tenido un crecimiento exponencial
lo que nos interesa ahora es entender cuales son las bases solidas para comenzar,
crear grupos de trabajo que puedan colaborar en los diferentes sectores
como por ejemplo el grupo de grafica y video se ocupa de crear folletos, calcomanias, PDF, remeras, videos
el grupo traducciones que se ocupa de traducir del ingles al italiano
despues esta el grupo Formacion que esta desarrollando un proyecto que se llama "mi vida en el Proyecto Venus"
hasta ahora hicimos dos capitulos y estamos trabajando en el tercero

English: 
because we basically started to actually operate from January
now we are at October, so in this brief time period
we grew at an incredible rate, so..., well yes exponential, so...
Now we should try to understand how solid the structure is
from which we begin, and create working groups that can operate in various sectors.
We have the working group "Video and Graphics" that produced flyers, videoes and various graphics.
They also produce stickers, illustrative PDF files, infographics and so on.
Then we have the "Translations" workgroup that translates from English to Italian.
then we have "Formation" workgroup
We have an interesting project called: "My life in the Venus Project".
we wrote two episodes and we are going to write the third.

English: 
We also have as a project to release a bimonthly magazine
with some self produced stories, scientific articles,
articles about critical thinking, how to communicate with our own kids,
how the kids could talk with their parents.
For example in those episodes "My life in the Venus Project",
we are telling about a possible future.
Let's try to picture ourselves five years after the "transition"
torward this world, which is not perfect,
but it's better, ok?
So how will I live? What am I going to do?
Because many wonder about it!
Sometimes I ask people:
Image that you didn't have to work to live
and people begin already to stare at me and think:
What does he mean?
No really, don't worry, just try to picture that you don't need to work to live!
Don't worry, you need a tomato? You've got it.
Pasta or other stuff? no problem!
What would you do?
The answer is: "Oh, I never thought about it."
I mean... we have only one life! Am I wrong?
When will you live? In the next one? Well...

Spanish: 
tambien tenemos el proyecto de publicar un bimensual
con nuestras historias, articulos sobre la ciencia y como razonar, como hablar entre padres e hijos
en estos capitulos contamos un posible futuro
imaginamos que pasaron 5 años luego de la trancision
en un mundo que no es perfecto, pero es mejor del actual
Como vivo? Que hago?
A veces yo se lo pregunto a la gente: imaginate no tener que trabajar para vivir. No tener que ir al trabajo.
Ya me miran...."pero qué decis?"
imaginate que no tenes que trabajar. Necesitas la pasta, los tomates, y los tenes!
Que haces?
"Ah! Nunca lo pense"
"Perdon, no, pero tenes solo una vida! Cuando lo vas a pensar? En la proxima?"

English: 
we are trying to do this.
We try to describe a possible life experience, one of the many,
how a family father could live, a teenager, a scientist, an artist
or any other person in a Venus Project, their daily life.
Exactly, first here (in the mind) then... (in the reality!)
[I am very glad to observe that motive of the revolution of the '69]
[consisting on the "emargination of the Power" is alive, kicking]
[and very active also now in the 2011]. Yes certainly, thanks to everyone!

Spanish: 
Nosotros intentamos dar una experiencia de vida posible
una de las tantas, de como podria vivir un padre de familia, o un investigador, o un artista.
Como vivirian las personas del Proyecto Venus, la vida de cada dia?
Exacto. Primero aca (la cabeza) y despues el resto.
[Estoy muy contenta que el lema de la revolucion del '69 "la imaginacion al poder" sea aun activo en el 2011. Gracias]
Gracias a uds.
