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Dr. Chaps reports on these important issues.
A US commission on International Religious Freedom
downgrades India as one of the worst offenders in the world.
We interview Mark Hancock with Trail Life USA
and sergeant Mike McGrew,
a chaplain who prays in Jesus name.
Former navy chaplain
Gordon James Klingenschmitt
took a stand to defend religious freedom
by daring to pray publicly, in Jesus name.
Now he helps you by reporting the news,
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On this show we like to do three things.
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Here's our first story.
The United States Commission
on International Religious Freedom
has now downgraded the nation of India
as one of the worst offenders of religious freedom
in the world.
The hindu.com reports the USCIRF,
that is the US Commission
on International Religious Freedom,
has downgraded India to the lowest ranking
of countries of particular concern in its 2020 report.
The report was released in Washington DC
by a federal government commission,
that functions as an advisory body;
Now placing India alongside
horrible religious freedom violators like China,
North Korea, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
Before this, India was categorized as a tier two country
in last year's listing.
Now they are among the lowest of the low.
This is the first time since 2004
when India was also placed in that category.
The commission noted in his report,
and they said,
"India took a sharp downward turn in 2019."
Which included specific concerns about some laws
that the radical Hindu party,
BJP is now in power in the Indian Parliament.
And they have passed things like
the Citizenship Amendment Act.
In other words, you're not a citizen if you're not Hindu,
or proposed national register for citizens.
In other words, you have to have papers
if you're not Hindu or anti conversion laws.
In other words, if you stop being a Hindu, that's illegal.
And similar situations in places like Jammu and Kashmir
where persecution is heightened;
But the United States panel
now says that the CPC designation
countries of particular concern for India,
was also recommended because,
"The national government used its strengthened
parliamentary majority to institute national level policies
violating religious freedom across India,
especially against Muslims.
National and various state governments
also allowed nationwide campaigns of harassment,
and even violence against religious minorities.
I'll add, including Christians in India,
where we sponsor people.
And continue with impunity and engaged in
and tolerated hate speech
and incitement to violence against them."
Violence against Christian or Muslim minorities in India.
Well, now America is noticing.
The US Commission on International Religious Freedom
also recommended that the United States government
takes stringent actions against India.
Under American law
called the International Religious Freedom Act.
And the commission called upon the Trump administration
to, "Impose targeted sanctions on Indian government agencies
and officials responsible for severe violations
of religious freedom by freezing those individuals assets
and or barring their entry into the United States
under human rights related financial and visa authorities."
Well, thehindu.com is not the only one reporting on this.
United Press International UPI
also commented about this report saying,
"During 2019 discriminatory policies, inflammatory rhetoric
and tolerance for violence against minorities
at the national state and local level increased.
"The climate of fear among non-Hindu communities."
Also, the report went on to add
that this downward trajectory continued well into 2020
with mobs attacking Muslim's neighborhoods.
And police failing to stop any of these assaults,
resulting in at least 50 deaths by religious minorities.
Advocacy groups like the Indian American Muslim Council
said the following,
"We welcomed the report
and its criticism as painfully necessary,
given the escalating level of persecution of minorities."
And that's the news well thanks to thehindu.com
and UPI for that report.
Let's take a moment to discern spirits.
Listen even in India,
where the Muslims are in the minority,
and we disagree with their religious views as heretical
but at the same time, they are standing up for freedom;
And it is their oppressors in the Hindu government,
led by Prime Minister Modi himself,
who is tolerating the violence and hatred
against religious minorities.
And that the government is the one
exercising the demonic spirit in this case.
Here's what the Bible says in Second Corinthians 12,
"Therefore, I take pleasure in infirmities,
Paul writes in reproaches, needs, persecutions and distress
for Christ's sake. For when I am weak than I am strong."
Let's pray about this, would you pray with me?
Father in heaven we pray
especially for the religious minorities
whether they're Muslim or other,
but especially the Christian pastors
that we help in one of the poorest states in India.
Father give them freedom from their persecutors,
give them religious freedom
and spare their lives
so they can preach the gospel even to those who hate them.
And return it with love.
In Jesus name, Amen.
Let's take a short break.
We'll have Mark Hancock and Mike McGriff.
Dr.Chaps will be right back
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Welcome back, I'm Dr. Chaps,
joined now by Mark Hancock with Trail Life USA,
returning guests and fan favorite.
Mark welcome to the program.
Thank you, it's great to be here.
So, I'm so excited to be here with you at NRB.
At the National Religious Broadcasters convention
in Nashville.
You can hear behind us,
there's a different press conference going on.
There's a hub of activity, people coming and going.
But you found us, you found the cameras for PIJN News,
thanks for coming back on the show.
Hi James, I'm so thankful to be here,
looking forward to this time.
So Trail Life USA as our audience may know,
is a boys mentoring program kind of like the Boy Scouts.
But you guys are unique in that you are Christian
and based in evangelical churches.
Absolutely, and on the surface
we may look like a Boy Scout organization.
We have handbooks and uniforms and robust awards program
and we spent a lot of time outdoors.
But at our core
we're a Christian ministry having an outdoor experience.
And so there's two things
that really distinguish us from Boy Scouts.
One we are unapologetically Christian,
absolutely Christ centered, and we are boy-focused.
We happen to believe that boys and girls are different.
And that boys need a program that's focused on them,
on their unique strengths,
so that they can grow into Godly men.
So not to disparage those other groups,
but the Boy Scouts are now letting girls join.
In fact, they've dropped the name boy,
now they're just go by scouts.
And they're filing,
what I just read in a press release, bankruptcy.
Because they've been sued repeatedly for past abuses.
We're not going to go into all that.
But you guys have a clean record,
you're starting something fresh,
how long you've been going now?
We began about six years.
We have 33, 000 members in all 50 states,
chartered out of about 850 churches.
And because it's church based,
you guys are able to stand for religious freedom.
Not just God focused but Christ focused.
And you're able to keep out a lot of the left wing pressures
that are attacking Christian nonprofits.
Well we are forged in the fires of this cultural battle.
And we looked at the mistakes the Boy Scouts made.
And being able to protect what it is that they were doing.
And so we set ourselves up legally,
in terms of our religious freedoms
and where we are legally.
We actually have a Supreme Court ruling in our favor.
The Boy Scouts had it too but they abandon that
but we have that to stand on too.
So we know that we're secure.
And because we're not confused about who it is that we are,
we know who we are,
we are Christ centered, we're boy-focused,
we're not gonna leave that space.
We know that we've got a nice strong foundation to build on.
And you're now in all 50 states,
you have as you said over 800 churches.
And the boys are outdoors with their fathers,
with their mentors with other boys.
What kind of activities they get to do?
Well everything that you can imagine.
We camping or hiking or ziplining or whitewater rafting
or whatever that troop wants to do
based on the their surroundings or that church culture.
Whatever it is that they're able to do.
Boys are experiencing outdoor adventure
all over the country.
And they can earn merit badges and achieve rank
and how does that play out?
We have a robust program, we start at kindergarten
and go all the way up to 12th grade and it's in one troop.
It's in a single troop.
So you're growing through that, through that troop.
And there's three units,
there's an elementary age unit called The Woodlands Trail.
The navigators are middle aged, middle grade,
and then the adventurers, or the high school age.
And they can go all the way up to the Freedom Award,
which is the highest award that we have in Trail Life USA.
And that requires a lot of work on a young man's part.
We have some amazing young men
who have earned that Freedom Award over the last few years.
The Freedom Award, I like how you call that.
What is the difference between you guys and the Boy Scouts?
They have different programs,
but why are you guys unique?
Well, you know a lot of people will say,
you're a lot like the Boy Scouts.
And I think that's true, because like I said,
we kind of look like them,
we're doing sort of the same things.
But those two distinctives,
that we are Christ centered and we're boy focused.
If those are important to you,
then there's not really an alternative.
We're not the same at all.
If those things are important,
if they're not important to you then,
Boy Scouts been around 100 years.
Maybe that's an organization you want to be a part part of.
But if you're concerned about the Christ centered focus,
and you're concerned about boys
who are living in this culture of being overlooked
in so many different ways.
If you're concerned about those two things
then you really don't have a choice.
Trail Life is an organization for you.
Is there a sister organization that caters to girls
that you would recommend?
There is American Heritage girls,
was formed about 25 years ago.
So we think of them as our older sisters.
And they're actually were part of our founding,
they helped us to get up and running.
A few of their board members
also serve on our board of directors.
So we function along with them
totally separate organizations.
But we work really well together.
In fact, some churches will charter both troops,
and on a single night the whole family will come.
They'll do their opening ceremony together the pledges,
their oaths or announcements;
And then the dads will go with the boys
and work on Trail Life
while the moms will go with the daughters
and they will work on American Heritage girls.
And so that works really well for that church.
It becomes a family night.
And churches are growing because of it.
Because if you could invite a young man to Sunday school,
and he may or may not come, but if you tell him,
hey, we're going hiking this weekend
or bouldering or whitewater rafting;
That unchurched boy joins that troop,
and then the unchurched family joins the church.
And so we're seeing churches that are growing
because they have Trail Life troops in them.
And you have around the campfire I imagine,
sometimes you have not only marshmallows and s'mores,
but you have discussions about faith.
Well it's interesting, we use the example of carrot cake.
When you get a piece of carrot cake,
you don't get big chunks of carrot,
but there's carrot in every bite.
And that's how Christ is infused in Trail Life.
All of our badges have Christian worldview
reflected in them.
We charter dozens of different denominations.
So we have enough flexibility that that church
can have its own theology work from the program,
but Jesus is everywhere in the program.
And you're right, sitting around the campfire at night.
Big surprise.
We're also a ministry to men because those boys go to bed
and those dads stay up around the fire
and they talk about maybe an interaction
that a father saw with another dad.
He says, "Hey, how'd you get that relationship
with your son, I want to work on my relationship."
They're talking about their marriages,
or talking about challenges they are having at work.
And so the organization surprises people
because of the strong bonds it's building
with the men who are involved in the program too.
Do you need fresh blood, new leadership, new pastors,
new churches around the country, how do you grow this
and double it in the next 10 years?
All the time, you know, we're growing.
We're growing at about about 14% a year.
This next year will be our first emphasis
in six years on growth.
We've been building a strong foundation.
And so this next year, we're gonna work on growth.
But so far it's been through word of mouth.
And we've had some great success.
When churches find out about us, but at the beginning,
about half of our troops were formerly Boy Scout Troops.
And that the other half were churches
that never had a Boy Scout troop.
But they saw a Trail Life and they were like
that we need in our congregation.
So we're growing organically already for that,
but leaders we are always in desperate need leaders.
We have a lot of men in the program.
They don't have a son in the program
but they understand the power of mentorship
and discipleship,
and they want to give back to the next generation.
So they're sharing their outdoor skills,
they're sharing their mentorship, their discipleship.
A lot of men join the program and become dad likes
for boys who don't have dads.
There's so many boys in our culture today
that don't have a father in the house.
So we're ministering to fathers and sons,
we're ministering to boys who don't have dads
and we're ministering to men and helping them
to build a brotherhood in Trail Life USA.
You know, this reminds me of a parable Jesus told
about new wine and new wine skins.
And Trail Life USA is the newest thing,
God is doing something new.
Although they've been around for six years,
they are going to...
I'm predicting replace the effectiveness
of the old wine skins and the old way of doing business
and the old organizations that are now going bankrupt
and getting lawsuit.
God is doing something new in Trail Life USA.
Give you the final pitch, tell people how to sign up.
Sure traillifeusa.com, traillifeusa.com
there's two L's in the middle.
You can find information there on find a troop,
there's a map of the United States,
you can put in your zip code
and find out the closest troop to you;
Or you can find out how to start a troop
if there's not a troop in your area.
It just takes five adults
and a church that will say this is important to us.
We'll get behind you,
help those adults get that ministry up and running.
We have about 8,000 volunteers across the country
that will help you get your troops started.
I like that, Mark Hancock has been our guest.
I'm Dr. Chap, so let's take a short break,
we will have more after this from NRB.
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I'm Dr.Chaps joined now by Sergeant Mike McGrew,
a returning guest.
We had him on the show a long time ago.
But Mike, you were a Police Sergeant 30 year career,
and you and I had something in common.
We got in trouble for praying in uniform in public, right?
I did that as a navy chaplain,
you did that as a police sergeant.
You've written this book, "The Higher Call to Duty."
And on this is a picture of you praying
with a woman in distress.
And that photo was in the newspapers,
and then what happened?
It was, I was working motors at the time,
and that was a traffic collision
and the woman who was involved in that.
And she asked for prayer,
you know, I wanted to console her the best that I could
and in a lot of times I'll ask folks
if it's okay if I pray with them.
So she said yes, And so I prayed with her
and the newspaper took a picture of it
and I was on the front page the next day.
And then I had a another higher ranking individual
in the department who told me that I couldn't do that,
that I wasn't allowed to pray with people on duty.
And I said, Well, I think we can
because we're here offer support in whatever ways.
It serves the mission to offer comfort to people.
Police don't always have to be brutal haters, right?
Right.
And most police officers
their hearts are very very big.
And they have a lot of empathy for the people
that they deal with as in that case.
So to bring her God's comfort
was exactly the right thing to do I felt
but I did get reprimanded for it.
But coincidentally the next day so I was shaken a little bit
and I asked the Lord did I over step this.
And the very next day I was driving on my motorcycle,
a woman made a U-turn right in front of me
that I couldn't believe she did it.
She broke the law.
Yeah she broke the law,
I pulled her over and she started to cry.
And I said, "Well this isn't about the ticket."
And she says, "No I just, I'm coming back from the doctor
and I found out I have cancer."
And I said, "Okay."
So I knew that this was another opportunity
to pray with her.
So I asked her about her faith as I talked to her
and I've dealt with that myself.
And she agreed to let me pray with her.
So I sat there now next to her and on that traffic stop,
held her hand and prayed.
God gave me the words for that prayer,
but it was very special for her because she was touched
but also for me because it was God affirming that it's okay.
That confirmation it's okay to pray with people.
Yeah it was.
So you've also been more recently ministering
through this book," A Higher Call to Duty",
to people who've been traumatized,
victims of PTSD, survivors of tragedy.
You yourself went through colon cancer
and the death of your child.
That must have been the hardest thing in your life.
Yeah, that was the biggest hit I've ever taken.
So what is your experience
and why are you writing this book?
Well, I wrote the book to help others
as they go through different trials.
There are several things that happen
to all of us in our lives
and some of us take things a little differently.
My testimony is powerful,
but it's no more powerful than anybody else's.
But I have been through a lot of things
that most people haven't experience.
And so I wanted to share just the love of God
and just the way that he walked me through
some of the worst tragedies that a person could experience.
And to be helpful for others and bring hope
in situations where there may not seem like
there is hope.
So you're now retired from the police force?
I am.
And since God's calling you
in the ministry in this area.
Yes, about a few years before I retired,
he put on my heart a program called "At ease"
At ease,
And I wanted to help other officers
and first responders deal with the issues
that we have to deal with on a daily basis.
That job took a toll on me,
I wasn't a believer for the first 20 years.
I came to a place where I had no place to look but up.
And when I received the Lord,
I received his strength and comfort.
But in this program we've taken away the barriers.
A lot of people don't get help because they're afraid
they have to talk to their supervisor about it,
that it would risk their job.
There's a stigma attached to it.
And so we've developed a foundation that raises money.
It's a perfect formula.
The foundations through the community raises money
for first responders to receive counseling.
And they can call a number
that's not connected to a city or county.
And it's completely confidential and they are teamed up
with a trauma trained therapists right away.
And you're in Southern California near Santa Barbara.
Yes.
But what is this phone number
for people who need that kind of care,
need that kind of counselling and who do you want to call?
What's your target audience?
Well, right now we're serving the tricounties
but we are opening it up currently to bring that program
to different communities throughout the country.
There's other states that have contacted us about that,
other agencies and so we're trying to set that up for them.
If you want to learn more about the program,
you can go to at-easesupport.com
And we have a website there that explains that program.
At-easesupport.com but there's a dash in the middle
at-easesupport.com.
Yes.
And what do people find there?
The first thing you'll find is a video,
and the video is very powerful.
If you click on that video,
it shows the testimonies of some firefighters
and police officers.
Some that have been involved in major disasters
or mass shootings that have used the program.
And they just, they speak about how it helped them.
But you'll also see numbers and different resources
that are on that website to help people
in that type of situation.
I like that.
You tried it for 20 years as a police officer
without Christ, and then the last 10 years with Christ,
and now in your ministry another 10 years,
I hope another 50 years serving Jesus.
Do you recommend doing it the old way or the new way?
(laughs) Definitely the new way.
The new way is yes, it brought peace and strength
and joy, as well.
And God is just wonderful, he's been so good.
I saw him the first 20 years,
because I'd go to the worst of the worst kind of calls.
And there'd always be something powerful
that would follow it up.
I didn't, I couldn't put my finger on it.
But that's what kept me coming back.
And once I became a believer,
I saw that it was God's grace that's there for everybody.
Amen to that.
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