sets signed the phone it's a pleasure to
welcome to the program barbara garson c
is the author
of tell me up escalator how the ninety
nine percent live in the great recession
welcome to the program barber
uh... so argument give me a sense i mean
i think this uh... our audience's uh...
is
reprieve from earlier with the
structural
reasons that uh... uh...
uh... we see such stagnation
and and and whatnot across the country
terms of wages wahan in terms of the who
was hit in the in the wake of of this
uh... financial crisis
one other things about your story is
that you really dig into the
the stories of individuals and you
organize
uh... these folks in terms of their loss
of of job
home and savings um...
what did you find uh... they meet was
there a common theme that that you'd
don't i mean i i i kinda like you had
been green
structural problem everybody has written
a lot about that
didn't bank depicting jelous team
of arden
interacting housing loans at the end
but in fact
i what i found it had everybody involved
an order to lift in ordinary life that
they thought was a middle-class flight
had been borrowing
some of them were house swelling to ten
people lost their houses
for mortgage loan
by two others court college loans that
that they were encouraged to pay cuts
and general eight event and we can keep
talk to people relentless day
or their parents
had been economically stagnating
and we've been living wages
and moving well
for about forty years
end the bank
i think you can't get paid enough money
to buy what they produced notice speak
uh... anchor length and the money to
have a great extent
ect
in youtube i'd like to produce will lend
you the money
safely
that uh... i shook range strategy i mean
we can pick up and i can have ten
dollars next month
nikki how could have kept decking ballot
next year to pay you back with interest
in wages aren't going up complete
salaries going up
and that short grain shifting this kind
of desperation on the bank apart i've
been waiting for it but we not
productivity increasing greatly
okay people but i did that
pocketbook initiative done hooligan
complicate duke bias starter house had
been given killed at the more we move to
another house
take-out bound for college
atwood dr
and
it really ought to be not too much from
their desperate need to borrow
and the bank desperate need collecting
bequest
dot com twenty one knowingly hormonal to
produce smart people
he would have been issued when they came
from that guardedly
great idea that came up
regarding the nineteen seventy three
weeks ago units
in the reagan administration well just
we need the proper kind of ordinary
people
we can use to give me a sense i mean i i
i want to circle back uh... to that and
certainly the
the level
of awareness that people had in terms of
senior their predicaments
in uh...
indian in a broader context but the
before we get there give me a sense of
uh... the types of people that you you
interviewed immediately
you you set out i think it was in two
thousand nine array and so you work
really on the road for quite a while
and had been drinking on the road to
uh... on the road in terms of talking to
uh... a many people coming and i did
talk to a lot of people around the
country
uh... charlie eight original into your
house
you might think that that probably
broadband anywhere
putting that into other of a political
movement it's not likely that component
what i just said about about d
about your being the victim of forty
years ago for an economic downturn
uh... detecting
you angry at a particular brokerage
backs a repudiation
or worked abroad many people are just
upset about and doubt iverson tucker i
was a loser you know a man who stay on
work forty
after all about
thirty-five years predicting big box
company
in evans bill indiana
you've dating
common people
and hello house they make money
na na
someone who can take your word quickened
elliot house to move to a form where he
intended to retire
in the meantime his company kind of
forcing him out of working he's worked
for them for fourteen years
give favorite thing pocketed thirty-five
years everything is refereeing taco
which he does now even though his
children to well template and failed
and
uh... suddenly the company giving him
ninety shift
twelve-hour shifts ten hour shift quite
heated managers we yet know
extra time
and he believed remembering back to you
the fifteenth and television programs
primarily
and managers should be able to take it
can be a vacation particular college by
a car every few years
and he can't do it entrapment
i think
that in this in mind that he believes
certain individuals would have been
unfair to invent exactly
if you'd like to just couldn't cut the
mustard
it's very unfortunate
um...
dealing in in the applicant sober
program like yours i'm kind of movement
that may be explained to him what
happened to you he will go on feeling
that way
funny feeling funny family because
t was part of a family where he chucked
logically gone
to do better
convicted it will put it on shipping
is going to take a look at the party
situation instead undercover work like
that for anybody
right and and the problem with haiti if
only he would cut he cared and give
buckled down to get a good job
and anybody buried went into bookmark
pretty well
and so
but i didn't want to meet friend could
do
and the only job he could think of
anything to go perfectly in keeping well
if they put on the here and i had a
mcdonald denmark and work their way up
to manager my company hired
mc donald's managers sometimes because
uh... they have a lot of discipline
and they could be in healing
at the picnic and he has
the petition in which he knows they're
trying to force them out
takeaways attention i mean if i could
it's a very sad but certainly he thinks
it has delfin to blame
assassination
and and amid are there other early idea
of other examples of the people you
spoke to that have a
service similar
uh... perspective
in terms of blaming uh... you know c
in the problems in in in many respects
it's seen their uh... their economic
problems as isolated
and that is the concerns
and
powell might take it back
a lot of people had the concord at at
least dating encourage dexion
we may at first couldn't find jobs like
a interviewed for people
in living here in new york uh... whom we
formed a
democratic contributor to that they were
all unemployed
today called the pink flipped clark
and date booked
politic two or three weeks but they were
at work
why not infatuated feedback that they
pay their hiring to do
on the campaign to put a concert during
the day intel each other about free
movie greeting ticket get into
and then the week turned into bond
now into will regard
they have to comfort knowing it was a
reception elephant remembered
the job they got twenty years earlier
that they got you noticed by ye
everything around a little bit
and they thought that would happen again
and they knew it was a real session but
deal
that not
a team from the clean they were feeling
entry antenna applications and even
professionals working out of middle
range professional
insurance adjuster
persecuted graphics meaning dot
not to
pictures but but they are protected
books
these people
uh...
worst sort of professional
yeah
they knew it was a recession but believe
me they felt pretty powerful
convenient hundred and eventually found
him overestimate
only online only have two people that
didn't respond
even article today in the position has
already been filled
before prepaid even even though they
have the comfort of knowing
efficiently ventured decisions are
anglican finacle quarry nobody six move
are fired but rather
we are cutting back
another thing that
shows you how the country exchanging
not only want these individuals if they
get
job
that young people helpful decay here is
one of these people were unemployed
candidate previously had were comforted
by the company for the month sparked
might have a blog addicted to crack
follow the competent of the person
weapons-grade
into
taught healing
contingent
uh... you become
uh... and ultimate entrepreneur echo
that graphics person if you take another
job
on that it became salary and will lead
to really get the state job capability
but yeah
tobacco white if not really a
contemporary perception hitler
downhill things that
uh... data
entirely economy class in this country
that encrypting country initiative this
is the way we have to go and there's no
moving back top but and and they'll just
as kill two people abroad
carol it's really a berry said picture
according to the people were very clever
and uh...
or would you steal what is the emotional
arc
those people and you know
um... the the descend sometimes of
isolation and or and i also uh... they
get the the notion of uh...
that isolation being mitigated by the
sense that the needed the nation is in a
recession what what what happens after
they realize that they're not going to
get another job that this recession is
not
uh... resolving itself in the same way
that may be past recessions have
uh... model
what are under attack and one of the
people there and i don't believe the
intensity of there
she would have to be patient person when
i take it
own and he told me about vacation but
the fire everybody tentative date they
were fired
and they had unusually come way of
telling the story in which
me personally show a little dignity
like uh...
and they finish their word or they
helped a colleague
this contract
i dislike jerry i couldn't move my i
don't know how i i worked with today
and then she told me about a friend
invited her out to dinner sketchy always
did that come in today for her wanted to
point that the people who were fired
so i'd like to talk to your friend
the obviously without two weeks after
the often
after she was fire
and she will be made phone calls dot
every very efficiently while you were
talking
out like encouraging me to make makeup
dayton at straight nitin and shit like
that kind of person
all right
by human hands later
so much
a much smaller projectors union you
wouldn't
tyra predicting job because remember
insurance suggesting involved
that allowing people to be a lot of
initiative calling people up on the
telephone finding the real story getting
them to settled
and then
efficiently in that regard addicted
perfectly
she'd taken in the roommate sheet dot
one thing after another should go on to
her
uh... tore one taylor with a very hurt
and not
retirement plan was
tonight another example should we keep
our started working she had a real
retirement gifted but that would be
appalled by the company in content-type
drippings
have quickly to downhill move i don't
want to protect guy putting oct point
two call-up
who founded almost identical job
tactically
amazing when you get it
remaining trent summation
sucking your cock you don't believe we
didn't see a person that that down
even harkin who mentioned
that they'll
spring back to beat the other person or
that they get over the other person
uh... what my husband had terrible
abutment
uh... refreshing thing
rupert murdoch fired all the people it
in new york postage into photographer
and you wouldn't think that you can go
bad about being fired by rupert murdoch
you wouldn't want to be the person he
kept
so
and he wasn't going to start cadet
committed to going to be
brighter
and yet
its computerized thinking i'm having a
nervous dinky becoming a heart attack at
heart was beating felt that you can do
talking jumped out of that person will
respond even though you know everybody
situation
unmet
something that happened right now owned
real movement that has he left
do something with raising wages let's
let's have a you can't get strike you
know
and that they have that
i don't think you can do you know
i'm curious if you come across people
who
let has the became more
are everett
right like tilted expecting or that one
well yeah i'm curious i mean work more
did you come across any samples of
people who
as they became as as their job search a
war on as they became more discouraged
where there any that uh... whose
perspective is shifted from
blaming themselves are seeing themselves
as uniquely unfortunate whether any of
that in some way became radicalized or
began to percy
the the the struck themselves within
the contest
the context or as a victim of something
far greater than themselves far greater
than their own personal decisions but
rather something structural
and i could meet breaking down a pair
uh... down epidemic liberties but where
do you know uh... uh... seven
uh...
acting
archetype right
and that want beginning of that week
someone who was overwhelmed by his even
etc
again company began courage to take in
and he began to realize okay eight
million brisbane
kept with the government giving away
money for free
and
at catid one that they can bank can't
possibly long because the government
will cover it up like stop paying
so he began to get involved in
indy
depicting the debt movement and i can
pick
that made and deal with that looked like
a personal tucker who popped out
addict
that need to be paid to it dropped a
didn't exist
uneven up the people i met
i would like to talk to extreme people
extremely rare separate come when i had
dinner with women who didn't know where
he will going out
live the next day because i can get a
report
andy admission pathak
enactment
uh... shareholders total stuff but an
engagement initiative
corporate repair
and of course she would
etc spring really down and out about an
extreme case
but i also met people
uh... worked very
normal
were
equipping connected to admit with one
one little chapter right called bubble
birth control
because with perfectly
model young man and his wife
who had
are going to go to people
haven't lost their jobs they work
they were private height schoolteacher
that they want to move
uh... to replace sweeping what bump
able to get very secure jobs anything
city minneapolis
and winding with and they had one
charles and when they went to build a
house they discovered that if they hold
it
at the current price director of the
bank two hundred thousand dollars
it's a classic is high underwater right
doing brewer
under those circumvented and they did
and began annable but they were they
were if they could if there were any
other that behind couldn't arrange any
uh...
short failed
which is a very difficult to arrange
there would be
uh...
damon damon credit rating
but big deep mood
and
um... it unless stemming from expect
these people get entering normal thing
that they would supposed to do delight
hike
ambani i think understood
that the clinton campaign to
they'd pick in print
i'm curious about that that their
example because uh... you write about
i mean armen note we old well i'm in the
because the the idea about he i mean at
this is uh... you know this is one of
things that i think sort of
the occupied movement was built upon and
for some reason at one point
um... here this case is now
by a part of that is because you had
massive police force that was shutting
the
as shutting them down in many respects
uh... technically part of it
expanded they haven't redirect movement
wicked painting in berkeley
definitely bloodline bipartite led by
then and then i said this is where you
have this couple that basically said
we're gonna walk we're gonna mail in the
key
ease uh... to decides we're gonna walk
away from that that that day are
the become untethered from this notion
that somehow their debt is a moral debt
whereas frank defined the company and i
defy
all-time now you know what my creditors
are going to chapter eleven i reorganize
that's business that's not right there's
no morality involved in that i've never
seen what happens if you want to talk
about it aditi
battle
i keep certainly watch that happen
people who group
well tentatively
can be tricky only people left he'll be
able to get that i didn't give you the
catholic church ladies
black church ladies who who still have
to go bankrupt but we've got
parable about that
i would properties affect the people
who've walked away from those debt
i've met a man who i hate to prove
idea and a half
while he tried to negotiate a
modification undertake
uh... radio obama roof letterhead
no homo 'em affordable discipline
right the accompany people into a
program committing the banker required
to do with to accept your application
and we should say
there is a big wanted extraordinary
evidence of just this past month
uh... from uh... about a half dozen
whistleblowers from the bank of america
and there's no reason to believe that
other banks were involved this that the
banks were actually giving bonuses to
their employees
ease
or uh...
telling people what uh... modification
they're available for in trying them
into foreclosure mean this was a
systemic plan
by the
exile after the fact in this is uh...
just engages came out i think in the
past uh... month or so that there are
things that make them and i can look at
people mayhem
became
time i'll up
information payment perry predicted
inflicted upon the copy with a
bureaucrat
and he had been
huge stack of papers and put down in
front of me with the banquet quickly
became intimation over and over all
these behind him playing mortgage
economic unemployed even borrowing from
his mother and daughter batterer
image i felt that that was an obligation
and economy do you think
date are just a few minutes
he became information over the rainbow
you think they're just darling
and it was a very hard to paddle
and buchanan went to bed at you in hand
and when he finally found a neutral
and he refuses modification
twenty stopped paying on the cockpit
can't detect eyed with amazed at the kid
sector moral man
and d pga electronic spoke to david in
the house can equal the banking pitbull
common if you want
depend
i was donated by that personal
transformation in him
it only very insecure but it will be to
mentally in a position where
he can decide when to move and i think
he will attend ran away from them yeah
and i think that uh...
uh... you know that dynamic is fascinate
me and of course you know it's a good
but what i have lessons of this program
who went to a very similar thing that
the hip program were
uh... in many respects for them simply a
completely fraudulent and and now we
have you know evidence uh... that in
fact it was
uh...
fraudulent
marie you know
units don't have to get back to you
after the fact of the on ambika winme
uh...
gambia escalator unite family shot would
be ever to be a little bit could be
we'll do you think they they just don't
understand your it complicated
negotiated with him any technical your
and at abn
that would have told him quote the whole
program taken advantage of obama devoted
to the whole program which only means
that they lost all my papers again
and then we can blowing you felt apple
belonged and he would go on page a_
hoping that they would give you a couple
of hope economically to go on pain
um...
and and i would be happy to hear back to
him guess david and his uh... reported
on this is a line i think it was
as probably maybe ten fifteen days ago
some middle june
uh... overlook it going to david day-in
gigabit connection well i will uh...
i'll give you that uh... after the
interview but i mean i say i do know i
mean it is it's it's so i mean
alternately what what
to the sender you step back and you take
a look at what you what u
uh... what you reported on what you saw
too
was what is the broader
or sense that you get a mean in other
words ten u
get a sense of the a broader change in
the wage that
the people of the very least that you
spoke to
their place insists i did the in a sort
of in a in a political way as
those two i mean this is what sort of
fascinates me is that
what are the circumstances that
allow for someone to see this as their
only their individual plight one of
those things that radical eyes in the
sense that i'm not going to perceive my
debt in the way that uh... the banks
want me to perceive that debt any people
get scott paper people maybe com
pinnacle
but in the applicant of movement
in the aptitude you know uh...
a few people who are talking about the
cause of the great you know people
originally planned
but we're not talking about it idon't
think people automatically get the idea
that
funded yousendit
what is missing cheer from this equation
because it's almost as if uh... theirs
roadway in the party directly toward a
communist socialist movement
action and and the may be different
they didn't we ended a totally speak for
their movements but day eighteen
definitely certainly dear the capital
district taking and stand-up i can still
be if it is going on now playing
hong kong it won't let me uh... put than
expand crisis sold for a while we're
okay
in what you're doing great to get a
uh... cadet and not consciously out
there that weekend
status somebody uh...
let problem
back onto my ipod
looks like they're prepared to make up
our banking doing for our purposes i
mean title
you know a bit
people will only begin to think about
that sort of thing
po
i mean you don't identified obviously i
don't think you will repeal
may be more difficult to find any
spontaneous three people began to not
pay their debt whether that's good or
bad about to epa
that happened spontaneously
and i'm not asking informed that there
is no midtech that could give the etc
rahul spontaneously
danny but that would be a great thing i
thought you were going to do it won't
happen started
and behind interesting road
i'm nearly forty my mind i mean i'm
talking thirty-year elected
and the people in the car grade um...
but market people to be marking
for forgiveness student exquisite art
charmed uncomfortable etcetera
our own are appeared happy
i mean it's fascinating but it didn't
happen in and then they fear that have
been happy to get i think it's at the
moment
productive
obvi
of team
that have remained occupying their debt
are there get committee but i don't know
how today days speaking wiki we i don't
know where the week
will be able to put to work and to make
it really
approach which moved up
well you'll feel
so bad about having depicting did
well uh... barber carson uh...
uh... hope springs eternal the book is
uh... down the up escalator how the
ninety nine percent live in the great
recession
i appreciate your time today
