…raised an interesting pointer..
We can have Satguru Jaggi Vasudev
in the screen now..
Uh..Satguru..
if I could ask you..
because you are quite
an unconventional Godman..
You like your bikes..
You play golf..
First of all..
I think..uh..
it’s very..
important..
that we make a distinction..
between spiritual Gurus and Godmen..
A Guru never claim
that he is a Godman…
because the reason why there
is so much talk about
God in the world..is..
mainly because most
human beings have not realized..
the immensity of being human..
So the..
Purpose of a spiritual Guru,
the work of a Guru..
spiritual Guru is..
to make people realize..
the immensity and profoundness
of what it means to be human..
Last 10 years..
and..uh..
I’ve never seen them
misusing anything..
Whatever comes to them
is always put in a good cause..
Today he has got
50 schools running..
but he’ll never say like..
u know..
he says that..
if u are a Guru..
if you are..
you know..
you never claim that..
you know..
that I’ve done this..
First of all I think uh..
all that..
whether they are treasures or not…
whether..
er..it’s..
this is not important..
Let’s..let’s come  to this..
if you want to understand spirituality
as a certain disability..
it’s upto you..
For me..
spirituality is a
tremendous empowerment..
which every human being
needs to have..
Now people say,
oh he drives his own car..
what kind of a Guru?
Then I ask them,
if I have a shopper..
will I become a Guru?
If I don’t know how to drive..
will I become a better Guru?
Best disaster experts
of this country..
are these groups..
The best organizational theorists ..
I and with illiterate
next to it are these groups..
Why don’t we look
at what they are??
That same money..
goes into..
disaster management in India,
in Gujarat, in Orissa..
These guys can
handle things..no NGO can..
and no state in India has..
I’ve worked with these groups..
I am as secular
as you can get..
anti-communal..
all those little
Delhi credentials that you
people are proud of..
These guys..
Indian credentials..hello??
No..dont Indianize Delhi so quickly..
No.. I think what he is
trying to say is..
what’s your handicap..
whether it is golf or spirituality..
he is asking a question..
let us answer to him there..
No..unless you meet
him at that level..
you will have the
standard dichotomist which
haunted certain histories of religion..
There is a kind of…
intellectualization that we
do that we locate is in
terms of rationality and spirituality..
and we make it
rationality Vs spirituality..
but actually Indians
aren’t like that..
Money and who knows
it better than Rahul Easwar..
Rahul Easwar..
Rationality is only one
aspect and spirituality is
the other half..
I am a spiritual rationalist and
a rational spiritualist..
That is an oxymoron..
Oxymoron for you..
because they don’t believe
in the other half..
We’ll take a break..yes..
Very quickly..
I think that..
a truly spiritual person
also needs to be rational
Yea..see the question is
not about Godmen..
the question is about
good men and bad men..
So..it is identifying
the good people and
the bad people..
one..
and sadly..
and you know..
and I am a great admirer
of BharkhaDutt..
But Bharkaji seems
to be caught up with
the times of
Vashishta and Viswamithra
and..
she has not evolved
from that time..
Sanyasis has evolved..
and for example..
You have still caught up with..
the old concept of Sanyas..
who are not at all
interfering in the social issues..
For example..
one of the first
India’s freedom struggle
was the Sanyasi rebellion..
and.. wa..
SatyaSai Baba..er..
shes asking…
Karunanidhi the Anti-Hindu Atheist..
Karunanidhi said  Sai Baba is
equal to God..
and it was reported by
the left-leaning Hindu..
That speaks volume
over the credibility
of Sai Baba Trust..
So..
It was never by a believer..
So..do you believe…
so.. do you accept..
the argument..that..
when the money is there..
there is a leap of faith..
You see what you look for..
We are looking for spirituality..
so we see spirituality..
and if somebody is
looking for money..
they see money..
Are the atheists
or rationalists even doing
10 rupee worth of good to the society?
Hello?
Are they even doing 10 rupee
worth of good to the society?
Actually building hardcore
hospitals and colleges…
Okay..but..
but there is somebody here.. whos..
Rationality and spiritualism
can be hand in hand..
pretty much hand in hand..
In the same way..
spiritualism and materialism
can go together..
there is a whole wrong notion
in India that..
spirituality is poverty..
only there are two aspects
of human lives spiritual and social..
when they combine..
there is holistic development..
and all our great Gurus..
let it be Vivekananda,
Sankara, Buddha..
has been joining the social
and spiritual aspect..
then only there will be
a holistic development..
Can I take you back to
Lord Krishna and the Bhagavat-Gita..
I’m gonna take a question..
and..then..
then.. go back to.. Satguruji ..
your question..
Yea..sir said that you know..
that there are good men and bad men..
So..there is another
kind of science..
the..an.. inner science..
so.. this is the science..
which is being taught to people..
in the form of spiritual process..
if it functions efficiently..
you say it is corporatized..
Rahul..yea..
That doesn’t make
Bharkaji spiritual too..
so.. we could understand spiritualism
and materialism should go together..
and I don’t have any problem
in God coming under indian law..
let there be transparency..
let there be under
right to information..
because God is a..
God under RTI..
Yea true..
God under RTI..
because.. because..
God should be transparent..
there is no issue..
but.. in the name of putting
them under the law..
don’t demonize..
because they are doing
more work than
the government of India..
Fair enough!
Even..er..
this Thiruvananthapuram temple came..
so we need to understand this..
temples were held as a
repository of knowledge,
art, music, and wealth..
where did it all go?
When the invasions happened..
they looted every temple..
and later on our own governments
have done it..
one temple was spared..
and we are making a
big controversy out of that..
why are these..
why?why there is no
wealth in other temples..
which did exist at this
era in the past..
what has happened to that?
That’s what we need to look at it..
half of European economy
was run on the wealth
that was taken from
Asian and other African countries..
All right..
