AK: Here in Real Vision, we're not exactly new to the 
crypto space.
Over the next two weeks, we're going to show you 
interviews with some of the most interesting people in 
crypto.
Now, we've been on this story for almost five years now.
And in that time, a lot of things have changed.
There's been a surge in innovation and attention, a huge 
market crash, and then of course, a lot of Lambo.
So, let's look at some of what we've been locked in crypto 
over the last few years.
You're going to see it all in this special episode of Real 
Vision's The One Thing.
What's going on, investors? AK here. So, we said we'd take 
you back in time, right?
So, let's go back to September 2014. A few weeks after 
Real Vision started, we find cofounders Raoul and Grant
sitting in a dark room talking about the death of trust in 
an episode called, The Reset.
That led to a discussion about how Bitcoin could be 
useful.
GRANT WILLIAMS: Does Bitcoin have a place in this 
framework we have established?
RAOUL PAL: I think it's almost central to the framework, 
because of the nature of it being decentralized.
Therefore, nobody can manipulate it. Nobody control it. 
They can't print more of it.
So, what you have is something very intellectually 
interesting, and actually very useful.
AK: So, the case for Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies 
was pretty clear even back in 2014.
One of the people we interviewed for this week was Barry 
Silbert,
but this won't be his first time on Real Vision.
In fact, he was one of the first experts who was really 
able to dive into the details.
This is what he had to say back in 2014.
BARRY SILBERT: Bitcoin as a technology, people are excited 
about the potential for not just payments
and remittance and this new way of moving money around the 
world.
But the whole concept of this decentralized distributed 
trust system that eliminates,
completely eliminates the need for any intermediaries, any 
fiduciaries, any custodians,
and we're talking about the potential for a complete 
revamp of the financial system.
AK: This piece was called, The Destructive Power of 
Bitcoin.
And in the five years since, Silbert has been spot on 
about the disruption.
Despite the volatility that came with that disruption, 
Bitcoin and other currencies have grown immensely.
Cryptocurrencies, as a whole, had a market cap of 5 
billion back in late 2014.
Today, they have a market cap of 250 billion, that's a 
5,000% increase.
And along the way, from five to 250, they made a stop at 
750 billion in market cap. That's a 15,000% increase.
Along the way, we had Tuur Demeester, one of the first 
guys in the finance research world
to talk about Bitcoin as an investment.
TUUR DEMEESTER: I'm known as the first financial 
newsletter writer to recommend Bitcoin as an investment
back in 2012 with the price of $5. I called the top in 
Bitcoin in late 2013 at $1100.
We had a bear market that ensued and then last August at 
$250, I became bullish again.
AK: Demeester was an early adopter and as cryptocurrencies 
continued to gain legitimacy in the finance world,
institutions started to take notice. In 2015, the CEO of 
the crypto VC fund, Pantera Capital, Dan Morehead,
explained why he left the macro hedge fund world to start 
a crypto fund. Here is what he had to say.
DAN MOREHEAD: My true passion was always investing in 
disruptions, whether they were glasnost in Russia
or technology in the States. Anytime there's a big 
disruption, I'd research it and try to invest in it.
And Bitcoin is the biggest and most compelling disruption 
I've seen in my career.
And so, I've decided to put all my energies into investing 
in Bitcoin.
AK: So, the disruption was so big that successful hedge 
fund managers
were drawn out of traditional finance and into crypto. But 
disruption is deceptive and not everyone is a bull.
John Dwyer joined us in 2016 to give us the bear case for 
Bitcoin.
JOHN DWYER: The other thing that people should understand 
is that this notion of 51% attack.
So, if you have control of 51% of the Bitcoin network, 51% 
of the power of the network for the miners,
this is pretty well understood, then you take control the 
network, and therefore,
Bitcoin as a network loses integrity. The problem with 
that is all you need to do to do that is have sufficient
financial capital to control 51% of the network, and an 
ideology that you want to disrupt the network.
AK: Bitcoin isn't perfectly secure, which is why some 
people have a hard time trusting it.
But then again, most computer networks are more vulnerable 
to hacking and manipulation than you might think.
Still, crypto's value is undeniable despite the persistent 
issues and challenges.
Assigning concrete value to crypto assets is a whole 
different ballgame though.
Here's Nick Colas discussing how hard it is to value these 
things
and how he looked at the risk reward ratio in 2017.
NICK COLAS: It's a venture capital type of investment, a 
venture capital type of trajectory.
And venture capital works in one of two ways. It either 
works spectacularly well, or it fails.
And we all know that most venture capital fails, so we 
have to attach some probabilities to that as well.
And that's why Bitcoin being only a fraction of total 
currency outstanding, make some sense,
because there's a very good chance that cryptocurrencies, 
particularly this 1.0 version that we're seeing now,
won't be what we eventually end up with. And so, all of 
these currencies, Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin,
all the Bitcoin spinoffs might end up going in the trash 
heap.
But the eventual technology development will still be 
robust,
there still be a lot of growth in cryptocurrencies 
generally.
So, I look at it as a very high risk, potentially high 
reward, venture capital style payoff investment,
versus something that can be put into a traditional asset 
class.
AK: Okay, so there seems to be some consensus that 
cryptocurrencies have value,
but the question as always, how much? And nobody can seem 
to agree on that. Just look at crypto's price turn.
But what if they're widely adopted? What could the 
implications of that be?
Charles Hoskinson, one of the cofounders of Ethereum 
explains what the potential changes could be
from crypto adoption, and he talks about the potential 
legacy of crypto technologies.
CHARLES HOSKINSON: So now, what we've done is we have 
taken a person
where their financial life is determined by geography. And 
we've now put them in the driver's seat
of their financial life, they get to make the final say 
about their portfolio and how they store their assets.
And by the way, every single one of these assets are going 
to be secure,
they're going to be well accounted for, they're going to 
be free of fraud, or a lot more resistant to fraud,
they're going to move at the speed of light, that you're 
going to be able to buy and sell them at a fair price.
And there's no longer a siloing effect that occurs where 
your equities live here, and your bonds live here.
And your currencies live there and your commodities there.
They're all just treated as the same under the same type 
of protocol.
And they flow just as fast as email.
If we can accomplish that by 2030. I think that the 
cryptocurrencies will have become the greatest innovation
of the last 500 to 1000 years since the invention of 
banking and the invention of the printing press,
that'd just be an amazing future to live in.
AK: So, yeah, the future does sound great, but it's going 
to take a lot of building to get there.
Part of the adoption of these technologies is building 
services and products that will be used in everyday
life, whether you're sending money across borders, or just 
trying to buy some ramen at 3am.
Maxine Ryan talks about why the adoption of these crypto 
assets might take longer than what was thought.
MAXINE RYAN: We can never predict what's going to happen 
in the future.
I think that people who are very idealistic will be like, 
well, everybody will be using Bitcoin.
You can go to Starbucks, and you can pay with Bitcoin, all 
this type of stuff.
But there is a learning curve to Bitcoin at the moment.
AK: Meanwhile, Dan Morehead and Joey Krug of Pantera 
Capital joined Real Vision to talk about regulation
and how individuals might interact with crypto 
technologies in the future.
Krug talks about how institutions may not be part of the 
new cryptocurrency infrastructure.
Here's Krug's response about whether or not he'll be able 
to hold his crypto wallet in a retail account.
JOEY KRUG: My way is probably not I think we probably will 
see sorts of things where you can buy into an ICO
on an alternative transaction facility or something. But I 
don't think we'll see them on like NASI or NASDAQ,
at least not any anytime soon just because I think they're 
such weird assets. They're still using credit
and they're all very different and so unique that's really 
hard to categorize rise them in any box.
AK: Regulation and consolidation are crucial factors to 
widespread adoption.
Demeester came on again in 2019 to talk about where he 
thinks the market is now and where it's going.
TUUR DEMEESTER: To me, this is the accumulation phase 
where value investors they come in
and the weak hands hand over their Bitcoin to the strong 
hands.
There's incredible amounts of developments happening. We 
are seeing more regulatory clarity,
obviously, because we're seeing this cleanup process and 
in the market happening, which is very positive.
We're seeing way better custody solutions, we're seeing 
insurance happening,
just all kinds of things that you want to see for Bitcoin 
to become big and boring is happening right now.
And I think that's what's setting up the basis, building 
the basis for the next big rally in the markets.
AK: If you look at this chart of the total market cap of 
cryptocurrencies since 2010,
the picture becomes clear.
Over the last decade, you could have made and lost a 
fortune speculating and investing in these crypto assets.
And despite all this noise around crypto, you still got to 
be careful because it's the Wild West-
there's con men, hucksters and all sorts of thing.
Whether you think Bitcoin and crypto assets are the future 
or not,
understanding them will help you with your process 
regardless.
If you want help identifying value, cutting the BS and 
adding cryptos to your portfolio,
then stick with us at Real Vision. I'll talk to you next 
week.
