BRIAN: IF YOU ARE GOING TO
DO A STORY ON THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES
PROBABLY HAVE A SOURCE AND
ANCHOR WITH SOME TYPE OF
FACTS.
LAWRENCE O'DONNELL WAS
MISSING BOTH.
HE CAME OUT AND BASICALLY
ACCUSED THE PRESIDENT OF
HAVING HIS LOANS COSIGNED
FOR MAJOR PURCHASES BY
OLIGARCHS IN RUSSIA.
I'M NOT KIDDING.
LISTEN THIS SINGLE COURSE
CLOSE TO DEUTSCHE BANK HAS
TOLD ME DONALD TRUMP'S LOAN
DOCUMENTS THERE SHOW THAT HE
HAS COSIGNERS, THAT'S HOW HE
WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN THOSE
LOANS.
AND THAT THE COSIGNERS ARE
RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS.
>> WHAT?
REALLY?
>> THAT WOULD EXPLAIN, IT
SEEMS TO ME, EVERY KIND WORD
DONALD TRUMP HAS EVER SAID
ABOUT RUSSIA AND VLADIMIR
PUTIN, IF TRUE.
AND I STRESS THE IF TRUE.
KATIE: STRESSING IF TRUE IS
PRETTY IMPORTANT.
JUST 24 HOURS LATER,
LAWRENCE O'DONNELL SOMEWHAT
APOLOGIZED AND SAID THAT HE
WAS WRONG TO REPORT THE
UNVETTED STORY.
>> LAST NIGHT ON THIS SHOW I
DISCUSSED INFORMATION THAT
WASN'T READY FOR REPORTING.
I REPEATED STATEMENTS, A
SINGLE SOURCE TOLD ME ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT'S FINANCES AND
LOAN DOCUMENTS WITH DEUTSCHE
BANK SAYING "IF TRUE" AS I
DISCUSSED THE INFORMATION
WAS SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
I DID NOT GO THROUGH THE
RIGOROUS VERIFICATION AND
STANDARDS PROCESS HERE AT
MSNBC BEFORE REPEATING WHAT
I HEARD FROM MY SOURCE.
HAD IT GONE THROUGH THAT
PROCESS, I WOULD NOT HAVE
BEEN PERMITTED TO REPORT IT
I SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID IT ON
AIR OR POSTED IT ON TWITTER.
I WAS WRONG TO DO SO.
STEVE: THERE HE IS
APOLOGIZING AND MSNBC IS
RETRACTING THAT LET'S BRING
IN MOLLIE HEMINGWAY AUTHOR
OF JUSTICE ON TRIAL.
THE KAVANAUGH AND FUTURE OF
THE SUPREME COURT.
APPARENTLY THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION THREATENED
LEGAL ACTION UNLESS WITHIN
24 HOURS THEY GOT APOLOGY
AND RETRACTION AND THEY DID.
WHAT ARE YOUR OBSERVATIONS
ABOUT WHAT WE JUST SAW OVER
ON THAT OTHER CHANNEL?
>> JUST KIND OF HE A MINORED
OF WHAT
RE WHAT
REMIHAT
REMINDT
REMINDERSEVERAL YEARS.
BLOCKBUSTER STORIES WERE
PROMISED SHOW DEFINITIVE
LIVE THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS A
TRAITOR WHO HAD COLLUDED
WITH RUSSIA TO STEAL THE
2016 ELECTION.
BASED ON ANONYMOUS SOURCES.
VERY THIN SOURCING.
STORIES ALWAYS FELL APART
UNDER SCRUTINY MUELLER PROBE
CONCLUDED NOT ONLY WITH NO
INFORMATION ABOUT DONALD
TRUMP COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA
TO STEAL THE 2016 ELECTION
BUT NOT A SINGLE AMERICAN.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY
AMERICAN DOING.
THIS AND, YET, THIS IS WHAT
THE NARRATIVE WAS.
IT WAS SO SAD TO SEE IT FOR
YEARS, THIS DAILY DRUM BEAT
BEFORE THE MUELLER REPORT
ENDED TO SEE THAT SOME
PEOPLE ARE STILL DOING IT
MONTHS AFTER IS EMBARRASSING
AND SAD.
BRIAN: MOLLIE, THE AMAZING
THING IS THE MOMENTUM WAS SO
GREAT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN
PART OF THE BLIZZARD OF
INFORMATION.
UNVERIFIED, RUMORED,
BATTERED AROUND, EXPERTS
BROUGHT IN.
WHAT IF, NEXT THING YOU KNOW
THE APPROVAL RATING GOES
DOWN AND MAJOR DISTRACTION
FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
POLICY.
THIS HAS BEEN THE STORY FOR
TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
NOW IT'S STANDING OUT VERY
FEW PEOPLE ARE BIG THE
RUSSIA NARRATIVE.
>> WELL, I WISH THAT WERE
TRUE ACTUALLY POLLS HAVE
SHOWN THAT A MAJORITY OF
DEMOCRATS BELIEVE FALSE
THINGS ABOUT RUSSIA'S
INVOLVEMENT WITH THE U.S.
ELECTION.
NOT THAT RUSSIA DOESN'T
MEDDLE THEY DO THAT AND HAVE
DONE THAT FOR A VERY LONG
TIME.
SPECIFIC STORIES ALLEGING
TREASON ON THE PART OF THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OR
DONALD TRUMP OR PEOPLE CLOSE
TO HIM.
THERE IS NOT EVIDENCE TO
SUPPORT THIS AND YET THE
STORIES HAVE BEEN HAPPENING
AND IT'S NOT JUST MSNBC.
YOU HAD MULTIPLE FAILURES AT
MULTIPLE MEDIA OUTLETS AND
RATHER THAN SEEING ANY
SELF-EXAMINATION OR LOOKING
AT WHY THEY WERE ABLE TO
FALL FOR SUCH A RIDICULOUS
STORY, PEOPLE GOT AWARDS FOR
THEIR ROUTEING.
AND THE MAIN STORY, WHICH IS
HOW THIS TREASONOUS
COLLUSION NARRATIVE GOT
STARTED HOW IT WAS
WEAPONIZED AND FED
THROUGHOUT THE GOVERNMENT IS
A STORY EVERY MEDIA OUTLET.
KATIE: LAWRENCE O'DONNELL
TALKS ABOUT THE VIGOROUS
VETTING PROCESS THAT THEY
HAVE RUSSIA WENT AROUND THAT
PROCESS.
BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU JUST
SAID, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A
NUMBER OF THESE MEDIA
OUTLETS WHO RUN WITH THE
STORY HAVE A INVESTIGATED
SYSTEM AT ALL AND WILL
ANONYMOUS SOURCES AS YOU
SAID WITH A ALASKA EVIDENCE.
>> NOT JUST THE RUSSIA
NARRATIVE.
I THINK BACK.
I JUST THIS BOOK ON THE
KAVANAUGH CONFIRMATION.
DURING THAT PROCESS YOU HAD
PEOPLE AGAIN AT MSNBC
READING UNVERIFIED
ALLEGATIONS AGAINST JUSTICE
KAVANAUGH FOR WHICH THERE
WAS NO EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT,
JUST READING THEM ON THE
AIR.
AS IF IT DOESN'T CAUSE
PEOPLE HARM TO SMEAR
SOMEONE'S REPUTATION.
THAT IS A REAL HARM.
AND, AGAIN, NO ONE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE FOR DOING.
THIS.
BRIAN: RIGHT.
>> IT'S ACROSS MANY
DIFFERENT STORIES.
AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A
PATTERN.
THESE ERRORS ALWAYS SEEM TO
GO ONE WAY.
THAT CAN'T BE COINCIDENCE.
STEVE: IT'S ACROSS A NUMBER
OF OUTLETS AS WELL AS YOU
SAID EARLIER.
STEPHANIE GRISHAM THE WHITE
HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY
TWEETED THIS OUT I BELIEVE
IT WAS YESTERDAY.
CNN IS SO BIASED AND
DISHONEST THEY JUST USED ONE
OF MY QUOTES OUT OF CONTEXT
FROM ANOTHER STORY TO TRY
AND FURTHER THEIR OWN
PARTISAN POLITICAL AGENDA.
WEAPONIZING JOURNALISM IN AN
EFFORT TO UNDERMINE THIS
PRESIDENT AND THOSE WHO WORK
FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, AND
COUNTRY, MUST STOP.
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD POINT
OUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON
TELEVISION WHO ARE
JOURNALISTS AND THEN THERE
ARE PEOPLE ON TELEVISION WHO
ARE PUNDITS OR COMMENTATORS
AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, THESE DAYS IT'S KIND OF
HARD TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE
IN MANY CASES.
>> IT'S INCREDIBLY HARD TO
TELL.
WHETHER THAT'S PRINT MEDIA
OR TELEVISION MEDIA BECAUSE
SO MANY REPORTERS ARE SO
OPEN ABOUT THEIR EXTREME
BIAS.
BUT USING QUOTES OUT OF
CONTEXT IS JUST ONE OF THE
MANY TOOLS THAT JOURNALISTS
HAVE USED IN A WAY THAT IS
OBVIOUS TO PEOPLE IS UNFAIR.
THE WAY THEY FRAME STORIES
THEIR SELECTIVE USE OR
MISUSE OF INFORMATION.
TAKING QUOTES OUTS OF
CONTEXT OR SNIPING THEM TO
SAY ONE THING.
THIS IS WHY POLLS INDICATE
THAT CREDIBILITY IS JUST
VERY BAD FOR THE MEDIA THAT
SO MANY PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST
THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEEN
WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING
FOR A LONG TIME.
IT IS NOT A HEALTHY
SITUATION.
BRIAN: BY THE WAY, TWO
STORIES OUT THERE THE
PRESIDENT HAS PUSHED BACK ON
RIGHT AWAY.
THAT HE WANTS TO NUKE
HURRICANES.
HE SAID NEVER ONCE SAID I
WAS GOING TO SEND A NUCLEAR
MISSILE INTO A HURRICANE.
AND THE NUMBER TWO STORY
THAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY IS
ANYBODY WHO BUILDS A WALL ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY, DON'T
WORRY ABOUT IT, I'M GOING TO
PARDON YOU.
SO IF YOU BUILD THAT WALL,
DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
HE SAID I NEVER SAID THAT
NEXT THING YOU KNOW SIX
HOURS WORTH OF DEBATES AND
PUNDITS WEIGHING IN ON WHY
THE PRESIDENT IS SUCH AN
OUTLAW PRESIDENT.
NO ONE EVEN ASKED ME IF THIS
WAS TRUE OR NOT.
>> IT SEEMS IT'S GETTING
WORSE INSTEAD OF BETTER OVER
TIME.
THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO SEX
EXTREMELY DIFFERENT THAN
PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS.
THERE SHOULD BE MORE THAN
ENOUGH REAL THINGS TO TALK
ABOUT IF PEOPLE WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT HOW IS HE
DIFFERENT OR OPERATES
DIFFERENTLY THAN PREVIOUS
ADMINISTRATIONS.
THERE IS NO MAKE THINGS UP.
IT IS VERY DAMAGING AND
HARMFUL AND, AGAIN, IT MAKES
PEOPLE UNABLE TO TRUST THEIR
MEDIA FIGURES.
BRIAN: I DO ASK THE
PRESIDENT IF HE IS GOING TO
SHOOT OFF A NUCLEAR MISSILE
DO IT BEFORE IT HITS FLORIDA
TO STOP THE HURRICANE.
KATIE: NOT GOING TO USE
NUKES AGAINST HURRICANES.
STEVE: NOT GOING TO DO IT.
KATIE: MOLLIE HEMMINGWAY
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU.
KATIE: BE SURE TO CATCH
PRESIDENT TRUMP ON BRIAN'S
RADIO SHOW AT 9:34 NOT 9:35.
9:34.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO
TALK ABOUT.
BRIAN: GET EARLY AND HEAR A
COMMERCIAL AND THINK OKAY
NOT TODAY.
STREAMING ON FOX NATION.
IT'S LIKE A TELEVISION SHOW.
SO IF YOU DON'T GET THE
