Minister Dekkers works on a new law for better protection ot transgender people.
 
A letter from a doctor is no longer needed. If you feel like a woman, then you are a woman.
 
 
Jurist Caroline Franssen wrote an article for Trouw, shes afraid the new law will cost women their hard fought women's rights.
 
 
 
Welcome to Caroline Franssen and Sophie Scherke and Nora Uitterlind from Transgender Netwerk Nederland.
 
 
 
Mrs. Franssen, you wrote that the minister puts de safety of women aside, what are you afraid of?
 
I'm not afraid, I notices that the meaning of the word women disappears
 
and that people with a penis can call themselves women
 
 
 
What will happen?
For example, they can enter changing rooms where you are with your 11 year old daughter
 
your daugher can walk into a man into a women's changing room
 
a trans indetified man without surgery
 
Surgery is not needed according to the minister
 
The minister says everyone who feels like a women is a woman
 
Idon't agree, a woman is biological, we are mammals and can't change sex
 
 
A man can't become a woman, he can feel like one
 
he maybe can behave like one, but he can't be one
 
But there are men who have surgery and transform to women on the outside
 
 
Are they women after surgery?
 
I think they can't become women
but it's a different situation
 
 
Are they allowed in a woman's changing room?
So my 11 year old doesn't see a penis
 
Yes, and your 11 year old daughter can't be raped, because a penis is needed for rape
 
 
Mrs. Schers, you are happy with the new law
 
Yes, big improvement for transgender people
 
You are a woman, always felt like a woman and had the body of a man
I never had a body of a man. Mrs. Franssen has ideas of when people are men and women
when your man, you're a man. When you're a woman, you're a woman
 
when you're none, you're none. You know best
 
That people think about male and female body characteristics is cultural
 
It was different in other cultures in history
 
So in fact you don't want to say you're a woman, you're a human
I am a woman, born as a woman
 
and I am a biological woman
but some have different ideas because of my body characteristics
 
they said something different when I was born. Not because I wanted it
 
but because our culture says so and it fixed.
but it isn't fixed.
 
What do you think about Caroline's comment
 
about that 11 year old daugher in the changing room
 
when she sees male body characteristics like a penis
 
I think it's shocking
discrimination on the ground of body sex characteristics is illegal in this country
 
 
If you say now we're gonna pay attention
 
then the privacy of transwomen decreases
 
They you say, no matter what's in transwomen's pants, we decide if you're a woman.
 
I don't want to know what's in mrs. Franssen"s pants, because it's not my business.
 
I respect her privacy, but she has an obsession with tranwomen's genitals.
 
That's extremely false to say that I'm obsessed
 
Biology and chromosomes determine if you're a man of a woman
 
that's not a feeling, that's a fact
I'm not obsessed, it's a fact
 
Sophie claims that she always was a women, and I reject that
 
I say you were born a man
 
and everything in your body is male
all your chromosomes, organs and every cell is XY
 
That discussion is loaded, Sophie will say it's cultural
 
 
Biology has no destiny, no purpose
 
 
Backt to the changing room
 
 
 
Nora Uitterlinden from Transgender Netwerk sits next to me
This situation is very unlikely to happen, that you see a transwoman in a changing room
 
who is undressing and showing her body
 
that situation never happens
So the fearhas no basis
 
It's very rare, most transwomen don't feel safe to undress in front of others
 
because they can get negative responses
 
 
some experience violence
 
Many transowomen don't dare to go to the bathroom
 
So the situation is reversed. Not the 11 year old is shocked
 
but it's unsafe for transwomen
 
That's not true, because there's not any evidence of violence against transwomen in those cases
 
 
maybe in her head she thinks she's unsafe
 
 
There are many incidents worldwide in the US, Canada,  Scotland and England
 
 
where trans identified men were flashing
 
showing their genitals
 
Not all trans indentified men have a problem with their genitals
 
Autogynephiles get aroused by themselves in female clothes
 
 
 
There are also trans identified men who commit  violentcrimes
 
 
 
And who misuse the situation
 
If I am a man and I say that I feel like a woman
then I can enter that changing room, aren,t you afraid of that, Sophie?
 
No, in no other country with better laws
 
Men who want to abuse women can simply marry a woman.
 
That's easier and we don't forbid marriage.
 
Now follows opnions of people on the streets
 
 
 
Some women care and some don't
 
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Caroline Franssen, it seems most think it's a not problem for them.
 
 
Yes, until they go to prison and meet a trans identified man that commits sexual assould
 
 
There are many examples alreay
 
There are also examples of intimidation in dressing rooms
 
And if all men can be women, then they can join women's sports
 
That would be the end of women's sports
because men are stronger than women
that's why we have women's sports
 
to give them a leveled playing field
Cece Telfer a runner was ranked somewhere above 300
 
transformed to a woman
 
and now a champion
Same goes for Rachel McKinnon and other trans identified men and it's absolutely unfair
 
That's not my opnion, it's proven that it's not fair
 
Sophie Schers,  Caroline mentions examples in prison
 
of cases that went wrong and it's unfair in sports
 
You can't check these cases because they don't exist
what is true is that some transwomen are put in men's prisons
 
where they face violent rapes and murders, that's the reality
 
If somebody commited a crime against woman, they they are seperated
 
So the violence is the other way around
 
In England women shower with transwomen  in prison
 
Women aren't safe there
Managers of prisons warn against it
and what happens is that  every man can say he's a woman and it's done in a breeze
 
 
This goes way to far
Even for a handicapped parking card you need a letter from a doctor
 
There's not a single reason to skip that letter from a doctor
 
I want back to the sports that was supposed to be unfair
 
Transowmen can compeed since 12 years  in the olympics
Mrs. Franssen can't say that she ever saw one compeed there
 
The ones that are now in the news are just a few
 
and they do that in their age group and not in the elite sports we see on TV
 
 
Mrs. Franssen creates an unfair  opposition between cis and transwomen.
 
What is a cis woman?
That's you, Nora and mrs. Franssen
I strongly object to be called a cis woman, I'm just a woman
 
I don't mind cis woman, go on...
Trans, cis, we are all women
No, trans identified men are men
 
I'm going to the police tomorrow because mrs. Franssen is discriminating against me
 
Mrs. Franssen thinks she can discriminate against me as a woman on ground of my sex
 
and my gender identity and that's forbinnen in this country
 
and that's good that we are protected. What she does here and many like her in England
 
is discrimination of transgender people
 
We see in England that violence against trans people increases
 
This is such a false accusation
Violence against transwomen is done by men and not by women
 
Our opnion, of women that want to protect women is irrelevant and doesn't change opinions of men
 
and doesn't change violence against transwomen
I get your point, Sophie want to go to the police...
 
From now on an irrelevant man starts mansplaining and crying transphobia. Not worth making subtitles for.
 
 
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