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>> Adrienne: GOOD EVENING, I'M 
ADRIENNE ARSENAULT.
TONIGHT, CONCERNING COVID TRENDS
IN ONTARIO.
>> Premier Doug Ford: AS SOON AS
WE SEE THESE NUMBERS CLIMB A 
BIT, YOU GET A LITTLE GUN SHY.
>> Adrienne: CASES ARE UP AND 
TESTING IS WAY DOWN.
DID THE PROVINCE PUSH AHEAD WITH
REOPENING TOO SOON?
>> Andrew: I'M ANDREW CHANG.
ALSO THE PUSH FOR PAID SICK 
LEAVE.
>> IT IS VERY STRESSFUL.
YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH REALLY 
FORCED TO GO BACK TO WORK.
>> Andrew: OTTAWA PROMISES TEN 
DAYS, BUT FOR HOW LONG, AND WHO 
WILL FOOT THE BILL?
>> Adrienne: A CBC NEWS 
EXCLUSIVE.
HUAWEI EXECUTIVE MENG WANZHOU 
APPEARS TO STAGE A COURTHOUSE 
CELEBRATION DAYS BEFORE A 
PIVOTAL DECISION IN HER CASE. 
>> Andrew: AND A STEP TOWARDS A 
POTENTIAL VACCINE.
>> VERY, VERY EXCITED.
THIS IS A MAJOR MILESTONE FOR 
US.
>> Andrew: THE CANADIAN 
CANDIDATE HEADING FOR HUMAN 
TRIALS.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>> Adrienne: TO FIGHT COVID-19, 
YOU FIRST NEED TO FIND IT.
YOU NEED TESTS.
>> Andrew: REOPENING SAFELY 
DEPENDS ON IT.
AND AS THE HARDEST-HIT PROVINCES
FACE CONCERNS THEY MAY BE MOVING
TOO FAST, GETTING TESTING RIGHT 
HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE. 
>> Premier Doug Ford: I WANT AS 
MANY PEOPLE TESTED AS POSSIBLE.
ASYMPTOMATIC, SYMPTOMATIC.
>> Andrew: ONTARIO IS NOW 
WIDENING ITS CRITERIA TO INCLUDE
THOSE WHO AREN'T SHOWING 
SYMPTOMS.
THIS AFTER FAILING TO HIT ITS 
TARGET OF 16,000 DAILY TESTS FOR
MORE THAN A WEEK NOW, AND AS THE
PROVINCE HAS BEEN TESTING LESS, 
IT'S BEEN FINDING MORE CASES.
NOT A TREND ONTARIO WANTS TO 
SEE.
AT STAKE, THE PACE AND SCALE OF 
REOPENING IN THE PROVINCE, BUT 
ELLEN MAURO SHOWS US THAT IDEA 
SIMPLY TESTING MORE AND GETTING 
THE RIGHT MESSAGE OUT ISN'T AS 
SIMPLE AS IT SOUNDS.
>> Reporter: AT ONTARIO'S COVID 
ASSESSMENT CENTRES, LONGER LINES
PROMPTED BY THE PREMIER'S PLEA 
TO GET TESTED.
>> BUT NOW THAT IT'S OKAY TO DO 
IT, I'M RIGHT ON IT.
>> Reporter: SO WERE STEVEN 
BAZIC AND HIS MOTHER NANCY, BOTH
ASYMPTOMATIC.
>> THE MORE PEOPLE THAT GET 
TESTED, I THINK, THE MORE THE 
NUMBERS WILL GO DOWN AS FAR AS 
MORTALITY RATES.
>> Reporter: ONTARIO IS OPENING 
UP TESTING TO ANYONE CONCERNED 
THEY MAY BE INFECTED.
THAT AS THE PROVINCE'S DAILY 
CASE COUNTS TREND UPWARD ABOVE 
400, POTENTIALLY DERAILING 
REOPENING PLANS.
>> Premier Doug Ford: AS SOON AS
WE SEE THESE NUMBERS CLIMB A 
BIT, YOU GET A LITTLE GUN SHY.
>> Reporter: THE PREMIER 
DISAPPOINTED AT CROWDS THIS 
WEEKEND AT A TORONTO PARK HAD 
THIS RECOMMENDATION.
>> Premier Doug Ford: WHY DON'T 
YOU DO US ALL A FAVOUR AND GO 
GET TESTED NOW.
>> Reporter: BUT JUST HOURS 
LATER, THE EXACT OPPOSITE ADVICE
FROM TOP MEDICAL OFFICIALS.
>> WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THEY 
ALL GO FOR TESTING AT THIS 
POINT.
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF MESSAGES 
COMING AT US, AND THEY ARE NOT 
CONSISTENT ALL THE TIME.
>> Reporter: AND ONTARIO MAY 
HAVE BEEN TOO HASTY IN EASING 
RESTRICTIONS, SAYS THIS 
EPIDEMIOLOGIST.
>> WE REALLY WANT TO SEE 
CONSISTENT DOWNWARD TRENDS, AND 
WE'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT THERE RIGHT
NOW. 
>> Reporter: SOME SMALLER 
TESTING CENTRES FEAR THEY WON'T 
BE ABLE TO KEEP UP. 
>> WE MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH P.P.E.
OR SWABS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
SHOWING UP.
WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE 
TESTING.
I JUST WISH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 
DONE IN A BIT MORE ORGANIZED 
WAY.
>> SHE WANTED TO GO FIRST.
VERY BRAVE.
>> Reporter: FOR THOSE WHO CAN 
NOW GET TESTED, LIKE ARLENE STAR
AND HER 10-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER 
JENNA, THERE'S RELIEF.
>> AS EVERYONE'S TESTED, THEN 
WE'LL BE ABLE TO OPEN UP EVEN 
MORE AND THEN -- 
>> AND THE SICK PEOPLE CAN STAY 
HOME. 
>> YEAH, AND LIFE WILL BE MORE 
NORMAL THAN BEFORE. 
>> Reporter: THAT'S THE HOPE, 
ANYWAY.
ELLEN MAURO, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: ONTARIO'S OUTBREAK 
IS SECOND ONLY TO QUEBEC'S.
THAT PROVINCE MARKED A TESTING 
MILESTONE TODAY.
>> Premier François Legault: I 
WANT TO DO EVEN MORE, AND WE'RE 
WORKING ON THAT, BUT CAN WE BE 
HAPPY THAT WE REACHED THE TARGET
OF 14,000?
>> Adrienne: SO QUEBEC'S PREMIER
CELEBRATED REACHING THE LEVEL OF
14,000 TESTS TODAY AFTER 
ANNOUNCING THAT TARGET THREE 
WEEKS AGO.
>>> SASKATCHEWAN IS ALSO CASTING
A WIDER TESTING NET.
AS OF TODAY, ANYONE WORKING 
OUTSIDE THE HOME CAN GET A TEST,
BUT BONNIE ALLEN TELLS US IN 
THAT PROVINCE THE STRATEGY COULD
ACTUALLY MAKE THE EXTENT OF THE 
DISEASE LESS CLEAR.
>> Reporter: THIS PERSON'S DAILY
ROUTINE INCLUDES RIDING THE BUS 
TO HER JOB AT SUPER STORE WHERE 
SHE WORKS AS A GROCERY STORE 
CLERK. 
>> ALL THE TIME WE HAVE TO BE 
CAUTIOUS. 
>> Reporter: SHE WOULD LIKE TO 
GET ROUTINELY TESTED FOR 
COVID-19. 
>> WE NEED TO DO THAT.
SO JUST ADD ONE MORE THING TO 
YOUR ROUTINE. 
>> Reporter: AS OF TODAY, ANYONE
WORKING OUTSIDE THEIR HOME IN 
SASKATCHEWAN CAN GET A TEST, NO 
SYMPTOMS NECESSARY.
BUT DR. ALEX WONG SAYS HE 
DOESN'T RECOMMEND IT TO MOST 
PEOPLE.
AT LEAST NOT IN SASKATCHEWAN.
>> IF YOU'RE IN ONTARIO OR 
QUEBEC WHERE RATES OF COMMUNITY 
TRANSMISSION PRESUMABLY ARE MUCH
HIGHER, THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF
CASES, THIS IS DIFFERENT.
AND WHEN THE PREVALENCE IS 
HIGHER, THEN IT ACTUALLY DOES 
POTENTIALLY MAKE A LOT MORE 
SENSE TO BE SCREENING MORE 
AGGRESSIVELY ASYMPTOMATIC 
INDIVIDUALS TO GET A BETTER 
SENSE OF SORT OF WHAT YOUR RATES
OF COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION 
ACTUALLY ARE.
>> Reporter: SO WHY NOT HERE?
THERE ARE SO FEW CASES TO FIND 
IN SASKATCHEWAN THEY WOULD BE 
COMPETING WITH TESTING ERRORS 
THAT SHOW FALSE POSITIVES.
DISTORTING THE PICTURE. 
>> WHICH MEANS THAT YOU ACTUALLY
HAVE MORE FALSE POSITIVES THAN 
YOU DO TRUE POSITIVES, WHICH 
MAKES IT A LOT MORE DIFFICULT 
FOR US TO INTERPRET.
>> Reporter: THEN THERE'S THE 
ISSUE OF NEGATIVE TEST RESULTS 
FOR ASYMPTOMATIC PEOPLE.
>> SO THAT'S A NEGATIVE TEST 
RIGHT THIS SECOND.
TOMORROW, IF THAT PERSON IS 
SYMPTOMATIC, THAT COULD BE 
COVID. 
>> Reporter: MANITOBA ALSO HAS A
LOW PREVALENCE OF THE VIRUS.
>> PROBABLY NOT BE AT ANY POINT 
WHERE WE JUST DO LARGE 
WIDESPREAD INDISCRIMINATE 
ASYMPTOMATIC TESTING.
THERE'S REALLY LOW VALUE IN 
THAT. 
>> Reporter: WHAT IS HAVING 
VALUE FOR SOME PROVINCES IS 
TESTING ASYMPTOMATIC PEOPLE IN 
HIGHER-RISK GROUPS, SUCH AS 
HOMELESS PEOPLE, HOSPITAL 
PATIENTS, OR ANYONE INSIDE A 
LONG-TERM CARE HOME.
>> -- HAS VERY LITTLE KIDS, SO 
YOU DON'T FEEL THAT SCARED.
>> Reporter: SO WIDESPREAD 
TESTING OF PEOPLE WITHOUT 
SYMPTOMS IS EXPECTED TO BUMP UP 
TESTING NUMBERS HERE.
IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR WHETHER IT'S
FOR PUBLIC HEALTH OR PUBLIC 
RELATIONS.
BONNIE ALLEN, CBC NEWS, REGINA.
>> Andrew: OKAY, SO I THINK NOW 
IS A GOOD TIME TO BRING IN 
INFECTIOUS DISEASES SPECIALIST 
DR. ISAAC BOGOCH.
DR. BOGOCH, DO I HAVE IT RIGHT 
THAT THE GOAL IS NOT NECESSARILY
TO JUST TEST AS MANY PEOPLE AS 
POSSIBLE?
>> YEAH, THAT'S COMPLETELY 
CORRECT.
THE GOAL IS TO REALLY HAVE 
FOCUSED TESTING IN GROUPS THAT 
ARE AT GREATER RISK FOR THIS 
INFECTION AND IN AREAS WHERE IF 
THE INFECTION IS INTRODUCED IT 
CAN SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE.
SO PLACES LIKE LONG-TERM CARE 
FACILITIES, HOMELESS SHELTERS, 
REFUGEE CLINICS, PRISONS.
THE GOAL IS, YOU KNOW, TESTING 
ASYMPTOMATIC INDIVIDUALS IN 
THOSE SETTINGS IS REALLY A 
SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE VIRUS ISN'T INTRODUCED,
AND IF IT IS INTRODUCED, WE CAN 
JUMP ON IT QUICKLY TO PREVENT A 
MUCH LARGER AND DEVASTATING 
OUTBREAK IN THOSE SETTINGS. 
>> Andrew: RIGHT, AND FOR THOSE 
FOLKS WHO DO GET TESTED, I MEAN,
HOW OFTEN?
JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE VIRUS FREE 
ONE DAY DOESN'T MEAN YOU WON'T 
CATCH IT THE NEXT TIME YOU GO 
OUT. 
>> ABSOLUTELY.
FANTASTIC POINT, AND THEY WILL 
HAVE TO FIGURE THIS OUT MOVING 
FORWARD ABOUT WHAT'S AN 
ACCEPTABLE FREQUENCY OF 
DIAGNOSTIC TESTING BECAUSE A 
SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM ISN'T JUST 
A ONE-AND-DONE PROGRAM.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT 
THERE'S A REGULAR INTERVAL OF 
DIAGNOSTIC TESTING IN THOSE 
SETTINGS BECAUSE THE VIRUS CAN 
BE INTRODUCED AT ANY TIME ALONG 
THE ROAD, AND CERTAINLY IN THE 
PRE-VACCINE ERA, THESE GROUPS 
ARE GOING TO BE AT HIGHER RISK 
FOR INFECTION TO BE TRANSMITTED 
IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
>> Andrew: RIGHT.
DR. BOGOCH, THANKS SO MUCH FOR 
YOUR INSIGHTS.
STICK AROUND, WE'RE GOING TO 
TALK TO YOU A LITTLE LATER IN 
THE PROGRAM.
THANKS SO MUCH.
>> SOUNDS GOOD.
>> Adrienne: A POTENTIAL 
COVID-19 VACCINE DEVELOPED AT 
THE UNIVERSITY OF SASKATCHEWAN 
IS SHOWING SOME PROMISE.
IT HAS WORKED IN FERRETS, AND 
HUMAN TRIALS ARE NEXT.
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER HURDLE, 
MAKING SURE THERE'S ENOUGH FOR 
ALL OF US.
IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS EXPLAINS.
>> Reporter: FOR THE LAST COUPLE
OF WEEKS, THE TEAM HERE HAS BEEN
WAITING TO EXHALE, WAITING AND 
WATCHING FOR THE SMALLEST SIGN 
OF A SNIFFLE.
AND NOW, HAPPY TO REPORT, THE 
FERRETS ARE JUST FINE.
>> VERY, VERY EXCITED.
THIS IS A MAJOR MILESTONE FOR 
US.
>> Reporter: FERRETS, CHOSEN 
BECAUSE THEIR RESPIRATORY SYSTEM
IS SIMILAR TO HUMANS, WERE GIVEN
A VACCINE CANDIDATE A FEW WEEKS 
AGO.
THEN EXPOSED TO THE COVID-19 
VIRUS.
>> THIS VACCINE INDUCES VERY 
GOOD IMMUNE RESPONSES, AND MOST 
IMPORTANTLY, IT PROTECTS THESE 
FERRETS FROM THE INFECTION. 
>> Reporter: THE FINDINGS PAVE 
THE WAY FOR HUMAN TRIALS IN THE 
FALL.
A POSITIVE STEP IN THE GLOBAL 
RACE TO FIND AN EFFECTIVE 
VACCINE, AND TO SECURE CANADA'S 
ACCESS TO IT.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS 
INVESTED NEARLY $200 MILLION TO 
HELP CREATE AND MANUFACTURE A 
MADE-IN-CANADA VACCINE.
ASIDE FROM THE TEAM IN 
SASKATOON, QUEBEC-BASED MEDICAGO
IS ALSO GETTING HELP TO DEVELOP 
AND MANUFACTURE ITS PLANT-BASED 
VACCINE, BUT IT COULD GET 
COMPLICATED BECAUSE MOST OF ITS 
PRODUCTION CAPACITY IS IN THE 
U.S. 
>> SO IT CERTAINLY IS HELPFUL TO
HAVE YOUR FACILITY IN YOUR 
COUNTRY WHEN THERE IS A CASE OF 
A PANDEMIC BECAUSE, OF COURSE, 
THERE'S A POLITICAL GAME.
>> Reporter: THERE HAVE BEEN 
TUGS OF WAR BEFORE TO BE FIRST 
IN LINE, AND WHILE CANADA RELIES
ON ITS GLOBAL PARTNERS NOW, 
EXPERTS SAY VACCINE INDEPENDENCE
IS KEY.
>> ORDERS DO GET CLOSED 
BECAUSE -- BORDERS DO GET CLOSED
BECAUSE EVERY GOVERNMENT'S IS 
THEIR OWN POPULATION, SO HAVING 
A CANADIAN SUPPLY OF VACCINE IS 
CRITICAL.
>> WE WILL CONSTRUCT IN THE 
UPPER LEVEL THERE -- 
>> Reporter: IT'S WHY IN 
SASKATOON THE PLAN IS TO CREATE 
A SUCCESSFUL VACCINE AND 
EVENTUALLY PRODUCE UP TO 10 
MILLION DOSES A MONTH.
>> YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR JOB TO 
DO, AND I THINK ESPECIALLY NOW 
IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THIS AS 
QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
>> Reporter: TO ENSURE A 
CANADIAN WIN IS ONE EVERYONE CAN
SHARE IN.
IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS, CBC NEWS, 
TORONTO.
>> Andrew: NOW EVEN WITHOUT A 
VACCINE, MORE CITIES ACROSS 
CANADA TOOK STEPS TOWARDS 
REOPENING TODAY.
>> I NEED SOME WALKING SHOES.
I'VE BEEN WALKING, LIKE, 15 TO 
20 KILOMETRES A DAY, SO MY SHOES
ARE FINISHED.
>> Andrew: IN MONTREAL, RETAIL 
STORES WITH OUTDOOR ENTRANCES 
OPENED THEIR DOORS FOR THE FIRST
TIME IN MONTHS, AND SHOPPING 
MALLS OUTSIDE THE GREATER 
MONTREAL AREA WILL BE ABLE TO 
REOPEN NEXT WEEK, BUT THERE'S NO
DATE SET FOR THOSE WITHIN THE 
REGION.
>>> AND IN CALGARY, SOME BARS, 
CAFÉS, PUBS AND RESTAURANTS CAN 
REOPEN FOR TABLE SERVICE.
BUT ONLY AT HALF CAPACITY.
BARBERSHOPS AND HAIR SALONS ALSO
SLOWLY WELCOMING CUSTOMERS BACK 
AS WELL, THOUGH ALL BUSINESSES 
NOW HAVE NEW HEALTH AND SAFETY 
GUIDELINES THAT THEY NEED TO 
FOLLOW. 
>>> MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING BACK 
TO WORK AND ARE DOING SO WITH 
LITTLE FINANCIAL PROTECTION IF 
THEY GET SICK.
ONLY P.E.I. AND QUEBEC OFFER 
PAID SICK LEAVE, AND EVEN THEN, 
NOT MUCH OF IT.
THE PRIME MINISTER HAS PLEDGED 
TO CHANGE THAT, BUT AS SALIMAH 
SHIVJI EXPLAINS, IT'S NDP TAKING
CREDIT FOR GETTING THEM THERE.
>> WELCOME BACK, WE MISSED YOU!
>> Reporter: THE THREAT OF THE 
SECOND WAVE IS REAL AND SO THE 
FINANCIAL RISK OF PEOPLE GOING 
BACK TO WORK.
A LACK OF PAID SICK DAYS IS 
SOMETHING DEANNA LADD HEARS 
OFTEN, RUNNING A HOTLINE FOR 
WORKERS' RIGHTS. 
>> A RESTAURANT WORKER, AND THEY
TOLD ME THE LAST TIME THEY WERE 
SICK THEY LOST OVER $1,000 WORTH
OF PAY.
>> Reporter: A BIG WORRY FOR 
NURSES, LIKE CONNIE ALMADEN.
SHE ONLY HAS A HANDFUL OF SICK 
DAYS. 
>> SO WE'RE STILL SCARED OF 
HAVING -- OF CONTRACTING COVID.
>> Reporter: WORKING AT A 
LONG-TERM CARE HOME THAT HAS 
SEEN A CASE OF COVID-19. 
>> SO YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH REALLY
FORCED TO GO BACK TO WORK 
WITHOUT ENOUGH RECOVERY.
>> Reporter: AN ISSUE BEFORE THE
PANDEMIC THAT'S ONLY HEIGHTENED 
NOW.
MOST JOBS FALL UNDER PROVINCIAL 
JURISDICTION, AND MOST PROVINCES
DON'T HAVE PAID SICK DAYS FOR 
NON-UNIONIZED WORKERS.
>> WILL THE PRIME MINISTER 
COMMIT TO IMMEDIATELY PUT IN 
PLACE A GUARANTEE THAT ALL 
CANADIANS CAN RECEIVE PAID SICK 
LEAVE?
>> Reporter: THE NDP MADE IT A 
CONDITION TO SUPPORTING THE 
LIBERALS ON HOW PARLIAMENT WILL 
CARRY ON DURING THIS CRISIS AND 
SCORED A WIN TODAY WHEN THE 
GOVERNMENT TOOK UP THE CAUSE.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: TEN 
DAYS OF PAID SICK LEAVE A YEAR. 
>> Reporter: NOT THE 14 DAYS THE
NDP WAS ASKING FOR, AND MANY 
QUESTIONS STILL UNANSWERED.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: THE 
MECHANISMS ARE CHALLENGING, AND 
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH 
THE PROVINCES.
>> Reporter: SO FAR, ONLY B.C. 
HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR IT.
>> THIS SHOULD BE A NATIONAL 
PROGRAM WITH NATIONAL LEADERSHIP
BECAUSE IT HAS NATIONAL 
CONSEQUENCES.
>> I'M CONFIDENT THAT ALL 
PREMIERS WILL GET BEHIND THIS 
IDEA.
THE SHORT-TERM PROPOSAL AND 
EVENTUALLY A LONG-TERM 
COMMITMENT. 
>> Reporter: BUT THE PROSPECT OF
THIS BECOMING PERMANENT HAS SOME
WORRIED. 
>> THERE ARE MAJOR UNINTENDED 
CONSEQUENCES FOR SMALL 
BUSINESSES.
THE BIG QUESTION FOR US, OF 
COURSE, IS WHO'S GOING TO PAY 
FOR THIS?
>> Reporter: AND THAT'S THE 
QUESTION FOR THE PROVINCES TOO.
IF THIS IS JUST A MEASURE FOR 
NOW, OR WHETHER IT WILL FALL ON 
THEM OR THE BUSINESS SECTOR TO 
PAY FOR IT ONCE THE IMMEDIATE 
CRISIS IS OVER.
SALIMAH SHIVJI, CBC NEWS, 
OTTAWA.
>> Adrienne: AS MORE COUNTRIES 
EASE UP ON ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL 
RESTRICTIONS, A PLEA TODAY FROM 
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, 
THAT EVERYONE MUST REMAIN ON 
HIGH ALERT.
>> WE CANNOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS 
THAT JUST BECAUSE THE DISEASE IS
ON THE WAY DOWN NOW THAT IT'S 
GOING TO KEEP GOING DOWN AND 
THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET A NUMBER
OF MONTHS TO GET READY FOR A 
SECOND WAVE.
WE MAY GET A SECOND PEAK IN THIS
WAVE.
>> Adrienne: THE W.H.O. 
SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED NORTH 
AMERICA, EUROPE AND SOUTHEAST 
ASIA, ASKING OFFICIALS TO KEEP 
UP WITH PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES.
MORE THAN 340,000 PEOPLE HAVE 
DIED WORLDWIDE.
>>> NOW, 98,000 OF THOSE DEATHS 
HAVE BEEN IN THE UNITED STATES, 
YET MEMORIAL DAY LONG WEEKEND 
DIDN'T LOOK TOO DIFFERENT THAN 
USUAL.
BUT AS KATIE SIMPSON TELLS US, 
THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE 
NOTICEABLE CHANGE IN THE 
PRESIDENTIAL RING.
>> Reporter: AT HIS FIRST PUBLIC
OUTING IN TWO MONTHS, JOE BIDEN 
WAS WILLING TO DO WHAT THE 
PRESIDENT HAS NOT.
HE WORE A MASK DURING A 
NINE-MINUTE VISIT TO A LOCAL 
CEMETERY TO HONOUR FALLEN 
SOLDIERS.
THE MESSAGE HE TRIED TO DELIVER 
DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT THROUGH HIS
MASK.
AT ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY, 
DONALD TRUMP'S FACE WAS NOT 
COVERED.
DIGNITARIES WERE SPACED SIX FEET
APART BUT WERE TOLD TO TAKE OFF 
THEIR MASKS AHEAD OF THE 
PRESIDENT'S ARRIVAL.
HE ALSO DIDN'T WEAR A MASK AT A 
SECOND EVENT IN BALTIMORE FOR 
VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES 
HONOURING SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT 
LINES OF THE PANDEMIC.
>> President Donald Trump: WE 
MOURN ALONGSIDE EVERY SINGLE 
FAMILY THAT HAS LOST LOVED ONES,
INCLUDING THE FAMILIES OF OUR 
GREAT VETERANS.
>> Reporter: TRUMP WENT TO 
BALTIMORE, EVEN THOUGH THE MAYOR
BEGGED HIM TO STAY HOME.
>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE 
ANGRY AND UPSET THAT HE'S EVEN 
COMING TO THIS CITY.
OUR CITY HAS A STAY-AT-HOME 
ORDER STILL IN PLACE.
>> Reporter: TRUMP'S BEHAVIOUR 
THIS HOLIDAY LONG WEEKEND RILED 
HIS CRITICS.
AMID THE PANDEMIC, HE WENT 
GOLFING, AN ACTIVITY HE 
CRITICIZED HIS PREDECESSOR FOR.
HE ALSO FIRED OFF A SERIES OF 
ANGRY TWEETS AND RE-TWEETS, ONE 
CALLED HILLARY CLINTON A SKANK.
HE SHARED A POST, TAKING AIM AT 
JOE BIDEN'S POSSIBLE RUNNINGMATE
THAT SAID STACEY ABRAMS WENT TO 
EVERY BUFFET IN GEORGIA AND 
REHASHED FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT A 
POPULAR CABLE NEWS HOST TRYING 
TO LINK HIM TO THE DEATH OF A 
STAFFER.
HIS TWITTER FEED HAD NO MENTION 
OF THESE SCENES, AMERICANS 
IGNORING PHYSICAL DISTANCING 
RULES AS THEY MARKED THE 
UNOFFICIAL START OF SUMMER.
THOSE IMAGES AREN'T KNOCKING 
TRUMP OFF HIS MESSAGE.
HE'S STILL ENCOURAGING MORE 
STATES TO REOPEN MORE 
BUSINESSES.
HE'S NOW THREATENING NORTH 
CAROLINA THAT HE'LL MOVE THE 
REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION 
TO ANOTHER STATE UNLESS CROWD 
SIZE RESTRICTIONS THERE ARE 
LIFTED.
KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS, 
WASHINGTON.
>> Adrienne: PRESIDENT TRUMP 
SAYS HE HAS COMPLETED HIS 
TREATMENT WITH 
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE.
THAT IS THE ANTI-MALARIA DRUG 
HE'S PROMOTED AS A THERAPY FOR 
CORONAVIRUS.
TRUMP SAYS HE STARTED THE 
UNPROVEN TREATMENT AFTER TWO 
WHITE HOUSE AIDES TESTED 
POSITIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS, BUT IN
AN INTERVIEW ON SUNDAY HE SAID 
HE HAD FINISHED TAKING THE DRUG 
AFTER A TWO-WEEK COURSE.
THIS COMES AS THE WORLD HEALTH 
ORGANIZATION ANNOUNCED IT IS 
SUSPENDING A TRIAL OF 
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE.
>> THERE'S NO ISSUES, THERE IS 
NO SIGNAL.
WE ARE JUST ACTING ON AN 
ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.
>> Adrienne: LAST WEEK A MEDICAL
STUDY SUGGESTED PEOPLE TAKING 
THE DRUG WERE AT HIGHER RISK FOR
HEART PROBLEMS AND POTENTIALLY 
DEATH.
>> Andrew: TURNING NOW TO OTHER 
NEWS, NOVA SCOTIANS ARE BEING 
REMINDED OF A PROVINCE-WIDE FIRE
BAN TONIGHT AS CREWS CONTINUE TO
BATTLE SEVERAL LARGE FIRES IN 
THE REGION.
>> WE RAN 130 CALLS THIS 
WEEKEND.
OF THAT 130 CALLS, 92 WERE FOR 
OUTSIDE FIRES, WHICH SHOULD NOT 
HAVE HAPPENED AT ALL.
>> Andrew: OFFICIALS SAY 
FRUSTRATION IS GROWING AS OPEN 
FIRES BREAK OUT ACROSS THE 
PROVINCE.
CREWS ARE ALREADY BATTLING AT 
LEAST TWO OUT-OF-CONTROL FIRES, 
BURNING A COMBINED 100 HECTARES.
>>> AND NEWLY RELEASED DOCUMENTS
ARE SHEDDING LIGHT ON THE RCMP'S
INVESTIGATION INTO LAST MONTH'S 
MASS SHOOTING IN NOVA SCOTIA.
THEY SHOW POLICE HAVE SEIZED A 
NUMBER OF COMPUTERS, CELLPHONES 
AND TWO VEHICLES FROM THE 
GUNMAN'S DENTURE CLINIC WITH THE
HOPES OF TRACKING THE MOVES HE 
MADE PRIOR TO HIS RAMPAGE THAT 
LEFT 22 PEOPLE DEAD.
THEY ALSO SEARCHED HIS COTTAGE 
IN PORTAPIQUE WHERE AMMUNITION, 
PIECES OF A RIFLE AND WHAT WAS 
LEFT OF A RECEIPT BOOK WAS 
FOUND.
>>> HUAWEI'S CFO MENG WANZHOU'S 
LONG EXTRADITION BATTLE COULD 
FINALLY END AFTER A B.C. SUPREME
COURT JUDGE DELIVERS A CRUCIAL 
LEGAL DECISION THIS WEDNESDAY.
AND IF A RECENT PHOTO SHOOT ON 
THE COURTHOUSE STEPS IS ANY 
INDICATION, SHE'S FEELING 
CONFIDENT.
HERE'S LAURA LYNCH WITH THE CBC 
NEWS EXCLUSIVE.
>> Reporter: SHE CERTAINLY LOOKS
LIKE A WINNER.
MENG WANZHOU FIGHTING 
EXTRADITION TO THE U.S. JOINED A
STAGED PHOTO SHOOT ON THE 
COURTHOUSE STEPS SATURDAY 
EVENING.
BUT FRIENDS' EFFORTS TO ADJUST 
HER ANKLE BRACELET ARE A DEAD 
GIVEAWAY.
DESPITE THE SMILES, SHE'S STILL 
UNDER HOUSE ARREST, AWAITING 
JUDGMENT ON WEDNESDAY. 
>> I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT 
A VICTORY LAP.
WELL, YOU PHOTOGRAPH FOR THOSE 
CONTINGENCIES, RIGHT?
IT'S RATHER LIKE PREPARING A 
HEADLINE IN ADVANCE.
>> Reporter: YOU'D THINK SHE'D 
KEEP A LOWER PROFILE AHEAD OF A 
RULING THAT COULD SET HER FREE 
OR KEEP HER UNDER HOUSE ARREST 
FOR MONTHS TO COME.
IN THAT SENSE, THE STAKES ARE 
HIGH FOR A CASE THAT'S DRAWN 
INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION. 
>> THE JUDGE HAS THE 
RESPONSIBILITY TO EITHER COMMIT 
OR TO DISCHARGE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS 
THAT THE JUDGE HAS.
>> Reporter: MENG'S BEEN IN 
DETENTION AT HOME FOR 18 MONTHS.
HER MOVEMENTS LIMITED.
EACH DAY OF THE HEARINGS MENG 
SWEPT INTO COURT WITH HER 
SECURITY GUARDS IN TOW.
INSIDE THE COURTROOM, HER 
LAWYERS ARGUED THE CHARGES SHE 
FACES IN THE UNITED STATES, 
FRAUD AND VIOLATING SANCTIONS ON
IRAN, DON'T CONSTITUTE A CRIME 
IN CANADA.
CROWN PROSECUTORS, THOUGH, SAY 
HER ACTIONS ALLEGEDLY LYING TO A
BANK ARE AN OFFENCE IN BOTH 
CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES.
IN THE MIDST OF ALL THE LEGAL 
ARGUMENTS, TWO CANADIANS, 
MICHAEL SPAVOR AND MICHAEL 
KOVRIG, REMAIN IN PRISON IN 
CHINA, WHERE THEY WERE DETAINED 
DAYS AFTER MENG'S ARREST.
THE PRIME MINISTER SAYS CHINA'S 
EFFORTS TO LINK THEIR FATE TO 
MENG'S WENT -- WITH THE COURTS 
HERE.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WE 
WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW AND 
UPHOLD THE INDEPENDENCE OF OUR 
JUDICIAL SYSTEM WHILE WE 
ADVOCATE FOR THE RELEASE OF THE 
TWO MICHAELS WHO HAVE BEEN 
ARBITRARILY DETAINED BY CHINA.
>> Reporter: MENG'S LAWYER WON'T
TALK ABOUT HIS CLIENT'S APPARENT
VICTORY PHOTO SHOOT OR HER CASE 
AHEAD OF THE RULING.
ONLY THEN WILL THEY KNOW WHETHER
SHE'LL BE SMILING LIKE THIS FOR 
ALL THE CAMERAS OR RETURNING TO 
HER HOUSE ARREST.
LAURA LYNCH, CBC NEWS, 
VANCOUVER.
>> Adrienne: THERE IS OUTRAGE 
TONIGHT IN THE U.K. 
THE PRIME MINISTER'S CLOSEST 
AIDE SAYS HE'S NOT STEPPING DOWN
BUT DOES ADMIT TO TRAVELLING 
DURING THE LOCKDOWN.
>> NO, I DON'T REGRET WHAT I 
DID.
>> Adrienne: NEXT, WHY HE AND 
HIS FAMILY TRAVELLED HUNDREDS OF
KILOMETRES WHEN THE REST OF THE 
COUNTRY WAS ORDERED TO STAY 
HOME.
>> Andrew: AND THE MAD RUSH TO 
GET OUTDOORS SAFELY LEAVES SOME 
CAMPERS UNHAPPY.
>> NOTHING ELSE WE CAN REALLY 
PLAN FOR THE SUMMER EXCEPT FOR 
CAMPING, SO I WAS HOPING IT 
WOULD WORK OUT.
>> Adrienne: AND NEW ZEALAND'S 
PRIME MINISTER, UNSHAKEN ON LIVE
TV.
>> WE'RE JUST HAVING A BIT OF AN
EARTHQUAKE HERE, RYAN.
>> Adrienne: WE'RE BACK IN TWO.
>> Adrienne: WELCOME BACK.
IN THE U.K., BRITISH PRIME 
MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON'S TOP 
ADVISOR WAS IN THE HOT SEAT 
TODAY.
HE WAS TRYING TO JUSTIFY A 
400-KILOMETRE TRIP TO A FAMILY 
COTTAGE WHILE EVERYONE ELSE WAS 
BEING ASKED TO STAY HOME.
MARGARET EVANS HAS MORE FROM 
LONDON.
>> Reporter: DOMINIC CUMMINGS IN
THE EYE OF THE STORM.
ONE WITH THE POTENTIAL TO 
UNDERMINE PUBLIC TRUST IN THE 
LEADERSHIP OF THE MAN HE 
ADVISES.
THESE WERE SOME OF TODAY'S 
HEADLINES AFTER THE BRITISH 
PRIME MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON 
BACKED CUMMINGS AGAINST 
ACCUSATIONS THAT HE STRETCHED 
LOCKDOWN RULES TO SUIT HIMSELF.
BACK IN LATE MARCH, THIS IS 
CUMMINGS LEAVING DOWNING STREET 
IN A HURRY, JUST BEFORE HE DROVE
SOME 400 KILOMETRES ACROSS 
ENGLAND TO HIS PARENTS' FAMILY 
FARM, ALONG WITH HIS WIFE, 
THOUGHT TO HAVE COVID-19, AND 
THEIR 4-YEAR-OLD SON.
LAST NIGHT, JOHNSON DESCRIBED IT
AS THE ACT OF A CONCERNED 
FATHER, BUT IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO 
SILENCE CRITICS, AND TODAY 
CUMMINGS WAS FORCED TO FACE THE 
MEDIA HIMSELF.
HE SAID HE HAD FEARED HE TOO 
WOULD FALL ILL AND THAT THE 
DECISION WAS ABOUT SECURING 
CHILD CARE FROM NEARBY FAMILY.
THERE WERE NO APOLOGIES.
>> NO, I DON'T REGRET WHAT I 
DID.
AS I SAID, I THINK REASONABLE 
PEOPLE MAY WELL DISAGREE. 
>> Reporter: CUMMINGS IS ALREADY
A CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE HERE, 
OFTEN SHUNNING SOCIAL NICETIES, 
MACHIAVELLIAN, SAY SUPPORTERS 
AND CRITICS ALIKE.
>> NOW THE FIGHT FOR BRITAIN 
REALLY DOES BEGIN. 
>> Reporter: THERE WAS EVEN A 
MOVIE ABOUT HIS ROLE IN THE 2016
BREXIT CAMPAIGN, STARRING 
BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH.
HE'S BOASTED IN THE PAST ABOUT 
HAVING A HAND ON THE PULSE OF 
THE PEOPLE, BUT HE JUST MIGHT 
HAVE MISSED ON THIS ONE.
BRITAIN HAS THE LARGEST NUMBER 
OF CORONAVIRUS DEATHS IN EUROPE,
SOME 37,000, JUST NOW STARTING 
TO EASE OUT OF LOCKDOWN.
>> EVERYONE -- IT'S HYPOCRITICAL
AND SO ARROGANT.
>> Reporter: IT ALSO FEELS LIKE 
A PROBLEM THAT MIGHT NOT 
DISAPPEAR FOR JOHNSON AS MUCH AS
HE MIGHT WANT IT TO.
MARGARET EVANS, CBC NEWS, 
LONDON.
>> Adrienne: OFFICIALS IN SPAIN 
ARE PUSHING FOR A RETURN TO 
TOURISM AS THE COUNTRY EASES ONE
OF EUROPE'S STRICTEST LOCKDOWNS.
STARTING JULY 1, FOREIGN 
VISITORS WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO 
UNDERGO A TWO-WEEK QUARANTINE.
SPAIN NORMALLY ATTRACTS SOME 80 
MILLION TOURISTS A YEAR.
THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES AS PHASE 
ONE OF REOPENING BEGAN IN SOME 
OF THE COUNTRY'S BIGGEST CITIES.
>> Andrew: WHILE THE PANDEMIC 
HAS CREATED A MASSIVE APPETITE 
FOR INFORMATION ABOUT COVID-19, 
SOME SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY 
FOR DISINFORMATION, USING SOCIAL
MEDIA BOTS TO SPREAD CONFUSION 
AND FALSEHOODS.
KATIE NICHOLSON EXPLAINS. 
>> I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW TO 
MAKE A TWITTER BOT.
>> Reporter: BOTS, THOSE FAKE 
ACCOUNTS THAT RE-TWEET, COMMENT 
AND SOMETIMES GET NASTY ON 
TWITTER.
THEY ARE EASY TO CREATE, AND 
ACCORDING TO A NEW STUDY, THEY 
ARE PUSHING A LOT OF CORONAVIRUS
CONTENT.
>> WE KNEW THERE WOULD BE A LOT 
OF BOTS, BUT IT WAS SURPRISING 
HOW MANY OF THEM THERE WERE.
>> Reporter: RESEARCHERS AT 
CARNEGIE MELLON EXAMINED MORE 
THAN 200 MILLION TWEETS ABOUT 
COVID-19 SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 
THE PANDEMIC AND FOUND 45% WERE 
FROM BOTS.
LIKE THIS ONE, USED TO PUSH 
ANTI-LOCKDOWN AND ANTI-MASK 
MESSAGING.
RESEARCHERS SAY SOME BOTS SEEM 
TO BE PROMOTING HAVOC, AND 
OTHERS HAVE A CLEAR GOAL.
>> SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINITELY, 
YOU KNOW, PROMOTING THE AGENDAS 
OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
>> Reporter: THAT MESSAGING FROM
STATE-RUN MEDIA OR GOVERNMENT 
LEADERS THEN GETS TWEETED AND 
RE-TWEETED BY BOTS, SPREADING 
THE MESSAGE AND MAKING IT SEEM 
LIKE A WIDELY HELD BELIEF. 
>> HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FAKE
ACCOUNTS.
>> Reporter: IF YOU'VE ASKED THE
CONSERVATIVE-LEANING LEADERSHIP 
INSTITUTE, TWO COUNTRIES IN 
PARTICULAR COME TO MIND.
>> CHINA'S VERY ACTIVELY WORKING
TO TRY TO RE-WRITE THE 
NARRATIVE.
HOW ARE THEY DOING THAT?
WELL, NUMBER ONE, THEY ARE 
ACCUSING THE UNITED STATES OF 
BEING THE ORIGIN OF THE VIRUS.
>> Reporter: LIKE THIS TWEET 
FROM A CHINESE GOVERNMENT 
OFFICIAL IMPLYING THE U.S. ARMY 
CREATED THE VIRUS.
AND THEN, THERE'S RUSSIA, WHICH 
DISINFORMATION WATCHDOGS SAY IS 
PUSHING IDEAS LIKE HANDWASHING 
DOESN'T HELP PREVENT THE SPREAD 
OF COVID. 
>> THE RUSSIANS ARE CLEARLY 
ENGAGED IN AN EFFORT TO PROLONG 
THE PANDEMIC OUTSIDE OF RUSSIA 
AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
>> Reporter: AND THE E.U. SAYS 
THAT FALSE INFORMATION IS ALSO 
DANGEROUS.
>> UNLIKE DURING PREVIOUS CASES 
OF POLITICAL MISINFORMATION, 
HERE ACTUALLY PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE
AT STAKE, PEOPLE'S HEALTH IS AT 
STAKE.
SO THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT VERY 
DANGEROUS. 
>> Reporter: THE CHINESE EMBASSY
DIDN'T RESPOND, BUT RUSSIA DID, 
SAYING THAT A FEW BIASSED 
EXPERTS WERE TRYING TO BLAME 
RUSSIA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S 
CALAMITIES.
KATIE NICHOLSON, CBC NEWS, 
TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: AHEAD ON "THE 
NATIONAL," YOUR NEXT DENTIST 
APPOINTMENT WILL DEFINITELY LOOK
DIFFERENT.
>> 36.1.
THAT'S GREAT. 
>> Adrienne: WE TAKE YOU INSIDE 
SOME OFFICES AS THEY REOPEN FOR 
A LOOK AT THE CHALLENGES OF 
KEEPING YOU SAFE DURING YOUR 
VISIT.
>> Andrew: BUT FIRST, AFTER THIS
SCENE IN TORONTO OVER THE 
WEEKEND, WE ASKED THE DOCTORS 
ARE PARTS OF THE COUNTRY 
REOPENING TOO QUICKLY?
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>> Andrew: EASING LOCKDOWNS IS 
LIKE TIPTOEING ACROSS A HIGH 
WIRE.
HOW DO YOU BALANCE THE NEED TO 
REOPEN BUSINESSES WITH THAT OF 
PREVENTING A SECOND WAVE?
WELL, ACROSS CANADA IT'S A REAL 
MIX OF STRATEGIES.
NEW BRUNSWICK WAS THE FIRST 
PROVINCE TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON 
LIFTING SOME RESTRICTIONS.
THAT WAS AT THE END OF APRIL.
>> WITHIN TEN MINUTES OF THE 
ANNOUNCEMENT, MY PHONE STARTED 
RINGING.
>> Andrew: NOW YOU CAN GO SEE A 
DENTIST IN SASKATCHEWAN, GET A 
HAIRCUT IN ALBERTA, OR EAT OUT 
IN B.C.
>> WE MISSED THEM FOR SURE.
>> Andrew: BUT STICKING TO NEW 
GUIDELINES IS A CHALLENGE, TO BE
SURE.
>> ALL OF THE COMPLIANCE THINGS 
THAT WE NEED TO DO NOW FOR 
COVID, PLEXIGLAS, TWO METRES, 
THE SPACE, 50% CAPACITY, YOU 
KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS ADD UP TO
MAKING IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
>> Andrew: AND FOR SOME PEOPLE, 
ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE 
HARDER-HIT PROVINCES, LIKE 
QUEBEC AND ONTARIO, IT CAN FEEL 
LIKE THINGS ARE MOVING TOO 
QUICKLY. 
>> I THINK IT'S JUST -- WE'RE 
JUST OPENING OURSELVES UP A 
LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE RISKS.
>> Andrew: BUT WHAT'S CLEAR, 
THIS HIGH WIRE ACT HAS A CAPTIVE
AUDIENCE OF MILLIONS, WAITING, 
WATCHING, HOLDING ITS BREATH.
SO FROM RELIEF TO FEAR TO 
FRUSTRATION, THERE ARE A HECK OF
A LOT OF EMOTIONS TIED UP WITH 
REOPENING.
SO JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THAT
IS PSYCHIATRIST DR. RIMA STYRA 
AND ONCE AGAIN WE'VE GOT 
INFECTIOUS DISEASES SPECIALIST 
DR. ISAAC BOGOCH JOINING US.
DR. BOGOCH, MAYBE I'LL START 
WITH YOU.
CLEARLY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT 
REOPENING DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU 
LIVE IN THE COUNTRY, BUT
WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE PACE OF 
REOPENING ACROSS CANADA?
>> CERTAINLY IN SOME PLACES I 
THINK IT'S COMPLETELY 
APPROPRIATE.
YOU'VE GOT THE EASTERN PROVINCES
WHICH ARE HAVING, YOU KNOW, ZERO
TO ONE NEW CASES PER DAY, IT'S 
COMPLETELY REASONABLE TO START 
LIFTING THESE PUBLIC HEALTH 
RESTRICTIONS.
BUT WHILE STILL BEING CAREFUL, 
WHILE STILL BEING CAREFUL.
THEN YOU HAVE PLACES LIKE 
ONTARIO AND QUEBEC, WHICH ARE 
STILL HAVING A SIGNIFICANT 
NUMBER OF NEW CASES PER DAY.
PRIMARILY FOCUSED IN AND AROUND 
THE GREATER TORONTO AREA AND IN 
AND AROUND MONTREAL, AND YOU 
KNOW, PERHAPS WE MIGHT NEED A 
PATCHWORK OF REOPENING THAT 
ENABLES THE SAFER PARTS OF THE 
PROVINCES TO REOPEN BUT MIGHT 
MAINTAIN SOME OF THE CURRENT 
RESTRICTIONS IN THE HEAVIER-HIT 
AREAS.
>> Andrew: RIGHT, AND DR. STYRA,
OF COURSE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A
PROVINCE LIKE ONTARIO WHERE 
THERE IS A HIGHER CASELOAD, NOT 
EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE TO START
SHOPPING AT THEIR LOCAL 
BOOKSTORE OR HOP BACK ON AN 
AIRPLANE.
IT'S LIKE SOME OF US WANT 
NORMALCY BUT AREN'T QUITE READY 
FOR IT YET?
>> YEAH, SO I THINK ONE OF THE 
BIG THINGS IS THAT WE ALL HAVE 
SUCH OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL 
TOLERANCE OF RISK.
FOR EXAMPLE, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT 
HAVE A HIGHER TOLERANCE OF RISK.
OTHERS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT 
MORE VULNERABLE, AND THEN ALSO 
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE'RE 
COMFORTABLE IN TERMS OF 
MITIGATING FACTORS.
SO WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT
INDIVIDUALS WHO MIGHT BE MORE 
VULNERABLE, FOR EXAMPLE PEOPLE 
WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED
AS HIGH RISK FOR COVID-19 BASED 
ON AGE, BASED ON MEDICAL 
PROBLEMS, INDIVIDUALS WHO MIGHT 
HAVE ALREADY HAD, FOR EXAMPLE, 
AN ANXIETY DISORDER WHERE THEY 
WERE ALREADY TRYING TO DEAL WITH
ANXIETY AND NOW THE COVID-19 HAS
ACTUALLY INCREASED THAT ANXIETY,
THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE 
VULNERABLE AND MORE RETICENT IN 
TERMS OF PROGRESSING FORWARD.
>> Andrew: DR. BOGOCH, SOMETHING
THAT MAY HAVE BEEN 
ANXIETY-INDUCING OVER THE 
WEEKEND, WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED AT
A PARK IN TORONTO.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND SHOW FOOTAGE.
THIS IS TRINITY BELLWOODS PARK, 
AND DR. BOGOCH, WE'VE HEARD YOU 
SAY THAT IT'S SAFER BEING 
OUTDOORS THAN INDOORS, BUT WHEN 
WE'RE TALKING THAT MANY PEOPLE, 
TELL ME WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM 
THIS.
>> YEAH, THESE ARE SCENES THAT 
CLEARLY WE DON'T WANT TO BE 
HAVING MORE OF MOVING FORWARD.
AND OF COURSE WE KNOW THINGS ARE
SAFER OUTSIDE WHEN WE THINK 
ABOUT TRANSMISSION OF COVID-19, 
BUT NOT WHEN YOU HAVE THOUSANDS 
AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE 
CLUSTERED TOGETHER CLOSELY LIKE 
THAT.
THAT'S CLEARLY UNACCEPTABLE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE SAW OTHER 
SCENES OF THAT PARK WHERE KUDOS 
TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE OUT THERE
WHO WERE SEPARATING THEMSELVES 
BY TWO METRES AND KUDOS TO THE 
OTHER PEOPLE IN AND AROUND THE 
G.T.A. WHO WERE ALSO ENJOYING 
THE NICE WEATHER IN OTHER PARKS,
AND WE SAW LOTS OF OTHER SCENES 
OF PEOPLE SEPARATING BY TWO 
METRES.
BUT CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT 
ACCEPTABLE TO CLUSTER TOGETHER 
LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH 
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, EVEN IF YOU
ARE OUTSIDE.
IT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE, AND 
THERE CERTAINLY IS RISK FOR 
TRANSMITTING THE INFECTION IN 
THOSE SETTINGS. 
>> Andrew: SO DR. STYRA, WHEN 
PEOPLE ARE BALANCING THEIR COVID
FATIGUE WITH THE RISK OF GETTING
TOGETHER WITH OTHER PEOPLE 
AGAIN, HOW DO YOU EXPECT FOLKS 
WILL NAVIGATE THAT?
>> I THINK THEY WILL NAVIGATE IT
BY BASICALLY TAKING SMALL STEPS.
THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY 
RIGHT NOW STILL IN TERMS OF 
TRANSMISSION AND HOW WE CAN 
PROTECT OURSELVES, SO WE ALWAYS 
FEEL COMFORTABLE IN ENVIRONMENTS
THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
IT HELPS US FEEL THAT WE HAVE A 
BETTER CONTROL OF THE SITUATION.
SO I CAN SEE PEOPLE MOVING 
FORWARD, MEETING IN GROUPS IN 
TERMS OF FAMILY OR CLOSE 
FRIENDS, AND AS THEY BECOME A 
LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH
THAT, THEY'RE GONNA EXPAND THEIR
REACH AND START THINKING ABOUT 
ALL THE OTHER KINDS OF THINGS 
THAT WE WANT TO DO.
WE'RE A VERY SOCIAL CREATURE.
WE ENJOY BEING WITH OTHERS.
WE ENJOY ALL KINDS OF 
ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING 
ENTERTAINMENT, SPORTS 
ACTIVITIES.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND FOCUS 
ON SEEING HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY 
MITIGATE THAT UNCERTAINTY.
>> Andrew: RIGHT, AND SO, 
DR. BOGOCH, LET ME GIVE YOU THE 
LAST WORD.
THOSE SMALL STEPS THAT WE'RE ALL
THINKING ABOUT TAKING FORWARD, 
YOU KNOW, THE APPROACH TO 
FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN 
REOPENING AND RISK, WHAT'S YOUR 
TAKE?
>> IT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO 
STAY IN A LOCKDOWN UNTIL WE HAVE
A VACCINE, AND CLEARLY IT'S NOT 
ACCEPTABLE TO JUST REOPEN THE 
ECONOMY LIKE NOTHING EVER 
HAPPENED.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALMOST A 
FALSE NARRATIVE THAT'S BEING 
PORTRAYED IN SOME CIRCLES.
THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME MIDDLE 
GROUND.
THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME BALANCE, 
AND IF WE HAVE THE TOOLS IN 
PLACE TO RAPIDLY IDENTIFY CASES,
SUPPORT PEOPLE THROUGH 14 DAYS 
OF ISOLATION, DO RAPID CONTACT 
TRACING, HAVE A GOOD 
UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THESE 
INFECTIONS ARE OCCURRING IN THE 
COMMUNITY, I THINK WE CAN SAFELY
REOPEN THE ECONOMY, BUT I STILL 
THINK WE HAVE TO ALWAYS BE 
PREPARED IN THE PRE-VACCINE ERA 
THAT -- TO MANAGE UNCERTAINTY, 
AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE 
POTENTIAL RISKS THAT THIS 
INFECTION CAN BE BROUGHT INTO IT
AT ANY SETTING.
SO YOU HAVE TO -- WE'RE 
BASICALLY GOING TO BE LIVING 
WITH RISK FOR THE FORESEEABLE 
FUTURE.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE IT AS LOW 
RISK AS POSSIBLE.
>> Andrew: ALL RIGHT, DOCTORS, 
THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
GOOD TO TALK TO YOU. 
>> NO PROBLEM. 
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> Andrew: WE DO ASK YOUR 
QUESTIONS ABOUT COVID-19 JUST 
ABOUT EVERY NIGHT HERE ON THIS 
PROGRAM.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOME FOR OUR 
DOCTORS, SEND THEM IN.
YOU CAN MESSAGE US DIRECTLY ON 
INSTAGRAM AT @CBCTHENATIONAL.
OR SEND US AN EMAIL AT 
COVID@cbc.ca.
JUST PUT "THE NATIONAL" IN THE 
SUBJECT LINE.
>> Adrienne: REOPENING CAN BE 
DAUNTING WHEN YOU HAVE TO 
COMPLETELY CHANGE HOW YOU 
OPERATE IN ORDER TO STAY SAFE. 
>> DON'T BRING IT, DON'T SPREAD 
IT, DON'T CATCH IT.
>> Adrienne: GOOD ADVICE.
NEXT WE LOOK AT HOW SOME SMALLER
COMPANIES ARE GETTING HELP AND 
MAKING IT WORK.
>> Andrew: AND AFTER MONTHS 
SPENT LOCKED INSIDE, CANADIANS 
ARE READY TO GO CAMPING.
THE HUGE DEMAND TO GET OUTDOORS 
AHEAD ON "THE NATIONAL."
>> MY NAME IS REGINA.
I'M THE OWNER OF A GIFT SHOP IN 
DOWNTOWN TORONTO.
I HAVE BEEN IN THE RETAIL 
INDUSTRY FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I WAS TRULY AND COMPLETELY 
OVERWHELMED THROUGH THIS 
LOCKDOWN.
HOW AM I GOING TO SUSTAIN MY 
BUSINESS?
HOW AM I GOING TO KEEP MY 
EMPLOYEES?
I'M FEELING ANXIOUS ABOUT 
REOPENING.
WE HAVE TO CONSIDER SOCIAL 
DISTANCING.
DO I AND MY STAFF HAVE TO WEAR 
MASKS?
I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE
IT ALL OUT AS WE GO.
KEEPING OUR STORE CLEAN IS GOING
TO BE A BIG PART OF THIS MOVING 
FORWARD.
THIS IS THE TIME TO RE-THINK 
WHAT WE ARE DOING, TO HAVE A NEW
MINDSET, GETTING INTO THIS NEW 
NORMAL.
WE HAVE DECIDED TO TOTALLY SHIFT
OUR BUSINESS MODEL TO HELP OUT 
LOCAL ARTISTS BECAUSE WE ARE 
REALLY ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.
WE ARE GOING TO CREATE A SPACE 
TO CREATE MORE VISIBILITY FOR 
THEIR WORK.
WE CAN'T GET BACK WHAT HAS BEEN 
LOST, SO I HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE 
FUTURE.
>> Adrienne: REGINA IS NOT 
ALONE.
BUSINESS OWNERS ACROSS CANADA 
ARE WONDERING HOW TO REOPEN 
SAFELY.
IN FACT, THERE ARE NEW COMPANIES
MAKING THAT THEIR BUSINESS.
TOM MURPHY NOW ON A PEST CONTROL
OUTFIT THAT SIGNED UP FOR SOME 
HELP.
>> Reporter: IT'S BUG SEASON, 
AND COVID-19 IS PROVING TO BE 
THE MOST PESKY OF ALL.
IT'S LEAVING PEST CONTROL 
SPECIALIST ANDREW WHEELOCK QUITE
FRANKLY FEELING A LITTLE OUT OF 
CONTROL TRYING TO RAMP UP 
BUSINESS. 
>> AT FIRST IT WAS A LOT OF 
ANXIETY AND UNCERTAINTY ABOUT 
WHAT WAY DO I GO.
IT WAS VERY CONFUSING.
>> Reporter: HE NEEDED A CRASH 
COURSE IN THE NEW LOW-TOUCH 
ECONOMY.
>> AND YOUR P.P.E. REQUIREMENTS.
>> Reporter: KERRY JENNEX IS 
PART OF A NEW COMPANY WITH A 
COVID-19 MANTRA TO HELP OTHER 
SMALL BUSINESSES. 
>> SO WE START WITH DON'T BRING 
IT, DON'T SPREAD IT, DON'T CATCH
IT.
>> Reporter: SO HOW DO YOU 
MANAGE ALL THAT?
THE KEY, SAYS JENNEX IS TO HAVE 
A WELL THOUGHT OUT OPERATIONAL 
PLAN, IDENTIFY THE HOTSPOTS 
WHERE PHYSICAL DISTANCING SHOULD
BE A PRIORITY, LIKE THE OFFICE.
>> HI, MY -- 
>> Reporter: NO ONE HANGS OUT AT
THE WATER COOLER ANYMORE.
>> CHECK IN WITH HIM THAT HE'S 
CONNECTED WITH ALL HIS P.P.E., 
HIS GLOVES.
>> Reporter: OF COURSE YOUR 
STAFF WILL NEED PERSONAL 
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.
WHEELOCK HAS ENOUGH GLOVES, 
MASKS TO GET THE JOB DONE, 
BUT . . . 
>> IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE GETTING
AN INVENTORY OF THESE SUPPLIES 
RIGHT NOW.
BUT I THINK AS TIME GOES ON 
WE'LL HAVE MORE AND MORE.
>> Reporter: THEN YOU HAVE TO 
TRAIN YOUR STAFF ABOUT PROPER 
HYGIENE.
HE LIKES TO DO IT IN FRONT OF 
THE CUSTOMER TO INSTILL 
CONFIDENCE THAT PRECAUTIONS ARE 
BEING TAKEN.
AND FINALLY, SIGNAGE IS THE 
NUDGE TO REMIND PEOPLE WHY THE 
NEW PROTOCOLS ARE SO IMPORTANT.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO INSIDE 
OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, WHERE 
THE PESTS AND HOPEFULLY NOT 
COVID-19 MAY BE LURKING, SOME 
EMPLOYEES STILL HAVE CONCERNS 
ABOUT THAT.
>> I MYSELF DO, BUT AS SLOWLY AS
WE'RE GETTING BACK TO NORMAL, I 
WILL GO BACK INTO HOUSES.
WE DO HAVE TECHNICIANS THAT ARE 
COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, AND 
THEY'RE GOING TO GO INSIDE.
>> Reporter: AND THAT'S OKAY, 
SAYS JENNEX.
LISTEN TO YOUR STAFF.
DO IT WRONG AND YOUR COMPANY 
COULD PAY THE PRICE.
>> IF YOU DON'T GET IT RIGHT, 
THEN YOUR EMPLOYEES AND YOUR 
CUSTOMERS DO HAVE OTHER CHOICES.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE A BUSINESS IF 
YOU CAN'T GET EMPLOYEES AND 
CUSTOMERS AND POTENTIALLY OTHER 
STAKEHOLDERS TO COME BACK.
>> IT HAS TO BE PART OF OUR 
CULTURE OF SAFETY TO DO ALL THE 
STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN 
AVOID THE VIRUS TO THE EXTENT 
THAT WE CAN.
>> Reporter: A NEW WAY OF 
THINKING THAT COULD BE AROUND 
FOR A WHILE, UNTIL THERE'S A 
WIDELY AVAILABLE VACCINE, OR THE
NEXT VIRAL PEST COMES ALONG.
TOM MURPHY, CBC NEWS, HALIFAX.
>> Andrew: DENTISTS ARE HAVING 
TO ADOPT A NEW WAY OF THINKING 
AS WELL.
AS OFFICES BEGIN SLOWLY 
REOPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, 
NEW PROTOCOLS ARE IN PLACE TO 
KEEP PATIENTS SAFE.
BRIAR STEWART TAKES US INSIDE.
>> Reporter: PREPARING FOR A 
PATIENT TAKES A LOT LONGER NOW 
AT THIS VANCOUVER DENTAL OFFICE.
>> THE N-95 AND THEN WE HAVE A 
LEVEL THREE MASK AT THE TOP.
>> Reporter: THIS CLINIC IS 
GRADUALLY REOPENING WITH MANY 
MORE PRECAUTIONS.
>> 36.1, SO IT'S GREAT.
>> Reporter: NORMALLY THIS 
PRACTICE WOULD SEE BETWEEN 40 
AND 50 PATIENTS A DAY.
NOW THEY ARE SEEING ONLY A 
HANDFUL.
>> WE'LL BE SCHEDULING MORE TIME
FOR PATIENTS, DISINFECTING 
PROTOCOLS WILL BE DIFFERENT.
THEY ARE ALSO GOING TO BE MAKING
SURE THAT THE SOCIAL DISTANCING 
IS RECOGNIZED AND FOLLOWED.
>> Reporter: IT'S A SIMILAR 
STORY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
>> SO GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS. 
>> I DESPERATELY NEED MY TEETH 
CLEANED. 
>> Reporter: THIS TORONTO 
DENTIST AND HIS TEAM SET UP A 
CHECK-IN WHERE PATIENTS COULD 
COME AND ASK ABOUT ANY CONCERNS 
THEY MIGHT HAVE.
IN ONTARIO, DENTAL VISITS WERE 
RESTRICTED TO EMERGENCIES.
THEY CAN NOW SEE PATIENTS FOR 
ESSENTIAL SERVICES AS WELL, LIKE
IF SOMEONE NEEDED A ROOT CANAL.
BUT ONLY IF THE DENTISTS HAVE 
THE PROPER PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.
NOT ONLY ARE THEY WORKING 
CLOSELY WITH PATIENTS, SOME 
PROCEDURES GENERATE AEROSOLS 
WHICH CAN TRANSMIT THE VIRUS.
>> 10,000 DENTISTS HERE IN THE 
PROVINCE, SO JUST IMAGINE THE 
AMOUNT OF P.P.E. THAT WE'RE 
SEEKING, THAT WE'RE NEEDING. 
>> Reporter: A SURVEY IN ONTARIO
FOUND THAT IN APRIL 40% OF 
DENTISTS WERE NOT ABLE TO SEE 
THEIR PATIENTS FOR EMERGENCIES.
THE BIGGEST REASON, THEY DIDN'T 
HAVE ENOUGH SAFETY GEAR.
AND THAT ISN'T THE ONLY PROBLEM.
>> TORONTO DENTAL OFFICE IS VERY
EXPENSIVE.
>> Reporter: DR. SURA HADAD HAS 
BEEN AT THIS HALIFAX CLINIC FOR 
MORE THAN TEN YEARS.
IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR THE PAST 
TWO MONTHS, BUT SHE STILL HAS 
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN RENT AND
LOAN PAYMENTS TO COVER.
>> AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE 
GOING TO BE ABLE TO BRING ALL 
STAFF BACK OR WHAT'S GONNA 
HAPPEN.
IT'S JUST SO HARD.
>> Reporter: BECAUSE WHEN DENTAL
OFFICES DO REOPEN, THEY WON'T BE
SEEING THE SAME VOLUME OF 
PATIENTS AS THEY DID BEFORE, ALL
PART OF THE NEW REALITY OF 
OPERATING DURING A PANDEMIC.
BRIAR STEWART, CBC NEWS, 
VANCOUVER.
>> Adrienne: NEXT, THE RACE TO 
SECURE THAT COVETED CAMPING 
SITE.
>> TRIED PROBABLY UPWARDS OF 50 
TIMES GOING IN AND OUT WITH IT 
CRASHING.
DIFFERENT SITES.
SPENT ALL OF THREE HOURS DOING 
THAT AND STILL DON'T HAVE A 
SITE.
>> Adrienne: AFTER MONTHS IN 
QUARANTINE AND TRAVEL PLANS ON 
HOLD, THE CALL OF THE WILD IS A 
LITTLE LOUDER THIS YEAR, BUT CAN
SUPPLY MEET DEMAND?
>> Adrienne: WELCOME BACK.
CANADIANS COOPED UP BECAUSE OF 
COVID-19 ARE DESPERATE TO GET 
OUTDOORS.
B.C. SAW UNPRECEDENTED DEMAND 
FOR CAMPSITE SPOTS THIS MORNING,
AND AS JACQUELINE HANSEN TELLS 
US, PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY 
ARE GEARING UP FOR A SUMMER 
OUTSIDE.
>> Reporter: A LONG LINE OF 
PEOPLE EAGER TO GET GEAR AND GET
OUTSIDE.
THE WILDERNESS IS CALLING, EVEN 
MORE PEOPLE THAN USUAL THIS 
YEAR.
B.C. STARTED TAKING ONLINE 
CAMPING RESERVATIONS THIS 
MORNING, AND RIGHT AWAY 50,000 
PEOPLE TRIED TO GET A SPOT.
>> GOT READY TO GO RIGHT AT 
7:00.
I THOUGHT THIS IS GOING TO BE 
GREAT.
I'M GOING TO GET EXACTLY THE 
SITE THAT I PICKED OUT.
AND IT CRASHED.
>> TRIED PROBABLY IN UPWARDS OF 
50 TIMES, GOING IN AND OUT WITH 
IT CRASHING.
DIFFERENT SITES, SPENT ALL OF 
THREE HOURS DOING THAT AND STILL
DON'T HAVE A SITE. 
>> NOTHING ELSE WE CAN REALLY 
PLAN FOR THE SUMMER EXCEPT FOR 
CAMPING, SO I WAS HOPING IT 
WOULD WORK OUT. 
>> Reporter: THE PROVINCE SAYS 
WHILE WE MADE EFFORTS TO BE 
READY FOR ADDITIONAL DEMAND, 
THIS RATE OF RESERVATIONS 
EXCEEDS THOSE SEEN ANYWHERE.
ALBERTA OPENED ITS BOOKING 
SYSTEM EARLIER THIS MONTH AND 
SNAGGING A CAMPSITE THERE WAS 
ALSO A CHALLENGE.
NOW WITH SUMMER LOOMING AND 
TRAVEL PLANS CANCELLED, SOME 
RETAILERS ARE SEEING A BIG 
INTEREST IN OUTDOOR GEAR.
>> WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE 
AND MORE OF THE FAMILY CAMPING 
AND MORE AND MORE OF THE BIGGER,
HIGHER-TICKET-PRICED TENTS AND 
SLEEPING BAGS AND FURNITURE 
START TO FLY OFF THE SHELVES. 
>> WE'VE GOT ABOUT 700 
WATERCRAFT, SELF-PROPELLED 
WATERCRAFT IN OUR RENTAL FLEET, 
MOSTLY CANOES, A LOT OF KAYAKS.
>> Reporter: THIS RENTAL COMPANY
NEAR ONTARIO'S ALGONQUIN PARK
SAYS INTERNATIONAL RESERVATIONS 
ARE DOWN.
>> BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE 
DOMESTIC BUSINESS IS DEFINITELY 
LOOKING REALLY STRONG.
>> Reporter: THERE'S HOPE EVEN 
MORE CANADIANS WILL WANT A 
CHANGE OF SCENERY.
>> THE MAIN REASON PEOPLE GO ON 
CANOE TRIPS AT ANY TIME, BEFORE 
ALL THIS HAPPENED, IS TO GET 
AWAY FROM THE PRESSURES OF 
EVERYDAY LIFE, GET OUT INTO 
NATURE, RECONNECT WITH THEIR 
FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN NEW AND 
DIFFERENT AND ADVENTUROUS WAYS, 
AND SO I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE 
GOING TO BE OF WAY MORE 
IMPORTANCE NOW.
>> Reporter: AND STAYING A 
PADDLE APART HERE IS SECOND 
NATURE.
JACQUELINE HANSEN, CBC NEWS, 
TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: THE CANADIAN SCREEN
AWARDS FOR BROADCAST NEWS WERE 
HANDED OUT TONIGHT, AND CBC NEWS
WON SEVEN, INCLUDING ONE FOR CBC
OTTAWA AND TWO FOR "THE FIFTH 
ESTATE."
>> Andrew: YEAH, SO THE TWO OF 
US AND ROSIE AND IAN ARE 
THANKFUL TO BE NAMED BEST 
NATIONAL NEWS ANCHORS AND PROUD 
OF OUR COLLEAGUES WHOSE WORK WAS
ALSO HONOURED.
THE TEAM BEHIND "SCARS LEFT 
BEHIND" WON BEST NEWS OR 
INFORMATION SEGMENT.
IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS SPOKE WITH 
TWO SURVIVORS OF TORONTO'S 
DEADLY VAN ATTACK.
PAUL HUNTER TAKES THE BEST 
NATIONAL REPORTER AWARD FOR HIS 
IN-DEPTH COVERAGE OF U.S. 
POLITICS.
AND FOR BEST PHOTOGRAPHY, NEWS 
OR INFORMATION, JARED THOMAS FOR
HIS WORK ON THE CLIMATE CHANGE 
STORY "DYING GLACIERS."
>> Andrew: WELL, THE PANDEMIC 
HAS GIVEN LIVE TV SOME 
UNPREDICTABLE SIGHTS AND SOUNDS.
INTERVIEWS HAVE BEEN INTERRUPTED
BY CHILDREN, DOGS LICKING 
PHONES, FLUSHING TOILETS EVEN.
A RECENT INTERRUPTION WE SAW 
OVERSEAS, PRETTY EXCEPTIONAL AS 
THE PRIME MINISTER OF NEW 
ZEALAND WAS GIVING AN INTERVIEW 
FROM PARLIAMENT HOUSE, NICKNAMED
THE BEEHIVE.
EVERYTHING SHIFTED ALL AT ONCE, 
AND THAT IS OUR "MOMENT."
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>> MORNING.
WE'RE JUST HAVING A BIT OF AN 
EARTHQUAKE HERE, RYAN.
QUITE A DECENT SHAKE HERE, BUT 
IF YOU SEE THINGS MOVING BEHIND 
ME, THE BEEHIVE MOVES A LITTLE 
MORE THAN MOST.
>> Andrew: JACINDA ARDERN 
ALREADY HAD A REPUTATION FOR 
KEEPING HER COOL.
SHE'S BEEN WIDELY PRAISED FOR 
HER COUNTRY'S HANDLING OF 
COVID-19.
EVEN AN EARTHQUAKE WHILE ON A 
MORNING TV SHOW COULDN'T PHASE 
HER. 
>> HAS IT STOPPED, PRIME 
MINISTER, OR IS IT STILL GOING?
>> YEP, NO, IT'S JUST STOPPED. 
>> OKAY, AND YOU'RE FEELING SAFE
AND WELL TO CONTINUE THE 
INTERVIEW?
>> NO, BE FINE, RYAN.
I'M NOT UNDER ANY HANGING 
LIGHTS.
I LOOK LIKE I'M IN A 
STRUCTURALLY SOUND PLACE.
>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
>> Adrienne: OKAY, SO THAT IS 
DEFINITELY COOL, CALM AND 
COLLECTED.
SHE'S RIGHT, DEFINITELY WAS AN 
EARTHQUAKE.
WAS NOT HER IMAGINATION.
5.8, IT HIT ABOUT 100 KILOMETRES
AWAY, BUT GOOD REASON FOR THAT 
BIG SMILE.
NO SIGNS OF INJURY OR ANY 
DAMAGE.
>> Andrew: RIGHT, WHICH IS THE 
IMPORTANT PART IN ALL OF THIS.
BUT IT OCCURS TO ME THAT, I 
MEAN, YOU AND I, AND LOTS OF 
PEOPLE IN OUR FIELD, HAVE A VERY
INTIMATE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW 
DIFFICULT IT IS TO REMAIN 
COMPOSED AND COHERENT WHEN 
YOU'RE ON LIVE TELEVISION, AND 
THAT'S NOT A SKILL YOU GET TO 
PRACTISE ALL THAT OFTEN.
SO, HEY, KUDOS TO HER.
THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE.
THAT'S "THE NATIONAL."
>> Adrienne: I WOULD HAVE BEEN A
DISASTER.
>> Andrew: FOR THIS MAY 25.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
>> Adrienne: GOOD NIGHT.
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