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>> Adrienne: GOOD EVENING, I'M
ADRIENNE ARSENAULT COMING TO YOU
AGAIN FROM MY BACKYARD.
ANDREW IS OFF.
>>> TONIGHT, HEALTH CARE WORKERS
SOUND THE ALARM ABOUT DWINDLING
SUPPLIES.
>> THE ONTARIO PREMIER --
>>> MASKS ARE RATIONED AT SOME
ONTARIO HOSPITALS AND THERE'S
GROWING CONCERN THAT NOT ALL
PROVINCES HAVE ENOUGH
VENTILATORS IF THE CORONAVIRUS
CASES SURGE.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF OR WHEN I'LL
HAVE SURGERY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL SURVIVE
THIS.
>> Adrienne: CANCER SURGERIES
CANCELLED.
SOME PRESCRIPTION DRUGS IN SHORT
SUPPLY.
THE SIDE EFFECTS OF A HEALTH
CARE SYSTEM STRAINED.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NEXT
DOLLAR IS COMING FROM.
>> Adrienne: FINANCIAL HELP IS
COMING, BUT ARE YOU ELIGIBLE FOR
CORONAVIRUS BENEFITS?
>>> THE DANGER OF MISLEADING
CLAIMS.
>> SOMETIMES THERE IS A SMALL
POINT IN TIME.
>> Adrienne: THE CANADIAN
CLINIC PROMISING TO PREVENT
CORONAVIRUS WITH HERBAL TEA.
A CBC NEWS UNDERCOVER
INVESTIGATION.
>>> THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>>> EVERY DAY WE ARE INUNDATED
WITH HARD AND GROWING
CORONAVIRUS NUMBERS.
THE NUMBER OF INFECTED IN
CANADA, OVER 4,000.
THE NUMBER OF DEAD, 39.
BUT TONIGHT WE WANT TO START
WITH A NAME, ZIAMA ROSENBURG, A
LOVING GRANDFATHER AND A SECOND
WORLD WAR VETERAN AND A VICTIM
OF COVID-19.
A LOSS MADE ALL THE MORE PAINFUL
BECAUSE OF ISOLATION.
BECAUSE OF THE VIRUS HIS FAMILY
WASN'T ABLE TO SAY GOODBYE.
ELLEN MAURO BRINGS US THEIR
STORY.
>> Reporter: ZIAMA ROSENBURG
LIVED FOR HIS FAMILY.
ALWAYS SUPPORTIVE -- ALWAYS
LAUGHING.
>> HE WAS ALWAYS HAPPY AND HE
HAD SUCH AN INFECTIOUS SMILE.
>> Reporter: ROSENBURG WAS
BORN IN UKRAINE MORE THAN 100
YEARS AGO.
HE FOUGHT AGAINST THE NAZIS IN
THE SECOND WORLD WAR BEFORE
EMGREATING TO CANADA.
HERE HE RAISED A FAMILY NOW DEEP
IN MOURNING.
>> I WISH I COULD SEE HIM ONE
MORE TIME.
IT'S HARD FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE
HE WAS SUCH A GREAT GUY AND HE
WAS ALWAYS THERE.
>> Reporter: ROSENBURG IS ONE
OF AT LEAST 22 CANADIAN SENIORS
TO HAVE SUCCUMBED TO COVID-19.
FOR HIS GRANDSON IT MAKES THE
LOSS ALL THE MORE HEARTBREAKING.
>> IT'S SO SURREAL, WHEN YOU GET
THE NEWS THAT YOUR RELATIVE, MY
GRANDFATHER, TESTED POSITIVE FOR
COVID-19 IT'S LIKE -- IT'S
SHOCKING AND IT'S LIKE HOW IS
THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?
>> Reporter: IT'S NOT KNOWN
HOW ROSENBURG CONTRACTED THE
VIRUS.
AFTER STRUGGLING TO BREATHE AT
HIS SENIORS APARTMENT COMPLEX
LAST FRIDAY, HE WAS RUSHED TO
HOSPITAL AND DIED THERE FIVE
DAYS LATER.
DURING THAT TIME ROSENBURG'S
FAMILY SAYS THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED
TO VISIT AS A SAFETY PRECAUTION.
THE VIRUS ROBBING THEM OF THEIR
GRANDFATHER AND THE CHANCE TO
SAY GOODBYE.
>> HE WAS ALL ALONE IN THE
HOSPITAL AND COMPLETELY
ISOLATED.
IT'S VERY TOUGH, VERY TOUGH.
>> Reporter: A HARSH REALITY
EASED IF ONLY A LITTLE BY
PRECIOUS MEMORIES.
>> MY GRANDFATHER WAS AN AMAZING
MAN, AN HONOURABLE MAN.
I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHAT A
GREAT GRANDFATHER HE WAS TO ME.
>> Reporter: ELLEN MAURO, CBC
NEWS, TORONTO.
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>> Adrienne: BEHIND EACH
PATIENT, EACH PERSONAL STORY,
ARE HEALTH CARE WORKERS WORKING
TO TREAT THEM.
BUT THE SYSTEM ITSELF ALREADY
STRAINED COULD BE INUNDATED IN
THE WEEKS TO COME.
IN CANADA'S HOSPITALS, STORIES
OF CRITICAL SUPPLIES RUNNING
LOW.
THE KIND OF GEAR NEEDED TO KEEP
DOCTORS AND NURSES SAFE RIGHT
NOW.
ADD TO THAT A SCRAMBLE TO GET
ENOUGH LIFE-SAVING EQUIPMENT
BEFORE A MAJOR SURGE IN I.C.U.
ADMISSIONS.
AND WITH ALL OF THE RESOURCES
BEING POURED INTO THIS BATTLE,
THERE ARE VERY REAL CONSEQUENCES
FOR PATIENTS WAGING WARS AGAINST
OTHER ILLNESSES.
IN SOME ONTARIO HOSPITALS, FACE
MASKS ARE BEING RATIONED RIGHT
NOW.
AS JOHN LANCASTER SHOWS US, THAT
HAS SOME HEALTH WORKERS WORRIED,
AND EVERYONE IS SEARCHING FOR
SOLUTIONS.
>> YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE
DISPOSABLE.
>> Reporter: ONTARIO NURSE PAM
PARK SAYS THAT FOR
MORE THAN A WEEK NURSES AT HER
OSHAWA HOSPITAL DIDN'T HAVE
ACCESS TO CRUCIAL PROTECTIVE
GEAR TO TREAT COVID-19 PATIENTS.
IN PARTICULAR THE N95 MASK WHICH
SCREENS OUT AIRBORNE PARTICLES.
INSTEAD THEY WERE TOLD TO USE
LESS PROTECTIVE SURGICAL MASKS.
STAFF ARE NOW GETTING THOSE N95
MASKS, THE SUPPLIES ARE BEING
MONITORED AND KEPT UNDER LOCK
AND KEY.
>> I PLEAD WITH THE ONTARIO
PREMIER TO PLEASE PROVIDE THE
FUNDING AND ORDER THE EQUIPMENT,
GET THEM IN.
AND TO PROVIDE IT TO
THE HOSPITAL AND PROTECT THE
FRONTLINE WORKERS.
>> Reporter: AT THIS TORONTO
HOSPITAL, FRONTLINE STAFF ARE
ISSUED JUST ONE SURGICAL MASK A
DAY.
IN A MEMO OBTAINED BY CBC NEWS,
STAFF ARE TOLD, "IT IS IMPORTANT
THAT WE CONSERVE PROCEDURE MASKS
FOR THE DURATION OF THIS
PANDEMIC WHICH WILL GO ON FOR
SOME TIME."
ONTARIO SHIPPED 1,0000,095 MASKS
THAT EXPIRED IN STORAGE.
THEY'RE GOING TO HOSPITALS FOR
OTHER USES.
TODAY ONTARIO'S MINISTER OF
HEALTH SAID THIS --
>> WE ARE WORKING AT PROCUREMENT
24/7.
ONTARIO COMPANIES ARE STEPPING
UP IN GREAT NUMBERS TO HELP US.
>> Reporter: ONTARIO SAYS THAT
IT SECURED 12 MILLION SETS OF
SURGICAL GLOVES, A MILLION N95
MASKS AND MORE THAN SIX MILLION
MORE SURGICAL MASKS.
THE GOVERNMENT IS ALSO
SCRAMBLING TO FIND MORE
PROTECTIVE MASKS AND SUPPLIES.
>> THEY TALK ABOUT SOCIAL
DISTANCING --
>> Reporter: PAUL JANSON
WORKED THROUGH THE 2003 SARS
OUTBREAK AND SAW FIRSTHAND THE
TOLL ON HEALTH CARE WORKERS.
THEY MADE UP HALF OF ALL
INFECTIONS DUE TO THE LACK OF
PROPER PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.
>> THERE IS A ROADMAP ON HOW
THIS WILL PLAY OUT, NOT JUST ARE
FROM THINGS LIKE SARS, BUT
BECAUSE IT'S HIT OTHER COUNTRIES
IN VERY DRASTIC WAYS.
>> Reporter: THE REGISTERED
NURSES' ASSOCIATION OF ONTARIO
SAYS FRONTLINE HEALTH CARE
WORKERS ARE AT WAR WITH
COVID-19.
ALREADY SIX NURSES HAVE
CONTRACTED THE VIRUS, HOW IS
UNDER INVESTIGATION.
JOHN LANCASTER, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: THERE IS CONCERN
TOO ABOUT LIFE-SAVING EQUIPMENT
FOR PATIENTS.
IF WE SEE A SURGE IN CASES IN
THE COMING WEEKS.
ALREADY MORE THAN THREE DOZEN
HAVE DIED AND IT'S INFECTED MORE
THAN 4,000 PEOPLE ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
634 OF THOSE CASES ARE NEW
TODAY, INCLUDING LARGE JUMPS IN
ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC.
AND OTHER NUMBERS ARE ALSO
COMING INTO FOCUS.
OF THE CASES SEEN IN CANADA, THE
GOVERNMENT PUTS THOSE NEEDING
HOSPITALIZATION AT ABOUT 6%.
CRITICAL CASES REQUIRING AN
I.C.U. BED AT 2%.
AND THE FATALITY RATE SITS AT
ROUGHLY 1%.
>> THE FACT THAT CANADA'S
FATALITY RATE IS AT 1% INDICATES
THAT THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS
NOT CURRENTLY OVERWHELMED.
>> Adrienne: BUT THAT COULD
RAPIDLY CHANGE.
AND AS KAREN PAULS EXPLAINS, THE
SUPPLY OF ONE PARTICULAR
HOSPITAL RESOURCE WILL BE
CRITICAL FOR KEEPING CANADIANS
ALIVE.
>> Reporter: A DESPERATE
SHORTAGE OF VENTILATORS IN
NORTHERN ITALY MEANS ONLY PEOPLE
UNDER 60 ARE GETTING THEM.
>> [Speaking Foreign Language]
>> Reporter: "THE SITUATION IS
REALLY SERIOUS," SAYS THIS NURSE 
NURSE.
WE COULD SEE A
SHORTAGE IN CANADA TOO IF WE SEE
THE SERIOUS COVID-19 PATIENTS
EXPECTED IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
ONE TORONTO-AREA EMERGENCY
DOCTOR ISSUED THIS WARNING.
>> WE CAN HANDLE MANY SICK
PATIENTS, BUT THERE'S A LIMIT.
AFTER THAT, WELL, I'D RATHER NOT
SAY.
>> Reporter: WHEN CBC NEWS
EXAMINED THE DATA, WE FOUND
ONTARIO HAS ABOUT 12 VENTILATORS
PER 100,000 PEOPLE.
EVEN CONSIDERING THE EXTRA ON
ORDER.
AND THAT'S THE SECOND LOWEST
PROVINCIAL RATIO JUST AHEAD OF
P.E.I.
QUÉBEC HAS THE HIGHEST WITH 35
PER 100,000 PEOPLE.
AND WHEN YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE
NEEDS OF NON-COVID PATIENTS IN
ONTARIO, THE AVAILABILITY DROPS
DRAMATICALLY.
THE FEDERAL HEALTH MINISTER HAS
HINTED AT ESSENTIAL DEPLOYMENT
OF EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES.
>> HOW WE BEST DISTRIBUTE THOSE
TO BOTH MEET THE PREPARATION
NEEDS OF VARIOUS JURISDICTIONS,
AS WELL AS THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS.
>> Reporter: BUT THAT'S NOT
GOING OVER WELL EVERYWHERE.
>> WE NEED THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE
HAVE IN ALBERTA FOR ALBERTANS.
>> Reporter: COMPANIES LIKE
THIS ONE IN WINNIPEG ARE WORKING
AROUND-THE-CLOCK TO FILL ORDERS
FOR VENTILATORS.
>> WE'RE GOING TO REALLY
KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON WHERE THE
REAL DIFFICULT PLACES ARE IN
CANADA AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE
STRUGGLING, AND THAT'S GOING TO
BE OUR PRIORITY.
>> Reporter: BUT WHAT IF THERE
AREN'T ENOUGH VENTILATORS FOR
THE PATIENTS WHO NEED THEM?
>> DIFFICULT DISCUSSIONS WITH
PATIENTS AND FAMILY.
>> Reporter: DR. DAVID NINO
SAYS THAT ANY
DECISION LIKE THAT WOULD BE MADE
BY A TEAM.
>> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHO WILL
BENEFIT THE MOST FROM THE
RESOURCES THAT WE GIVE TO THE
PATIENT.
>> Reporter: A DELICATE
DECISION THAT EVERYONE IS HOPING
THAT WILL NEVER HAVE TO BE MADE.
KAREN PAULS, CBC NEWS, WINNIPEG.
>> Adrienne: EXPERTS REALLY
BELIEVE THE FULL IMPACT OF
COVID-19 HASN'T HIT HOSPITALS
YET, BUT CHRISTINE BIRAK SHOWS
US THAT THERE ARE ALREADY
SERIOUS DELAYS IN CARE BECAUSE
OF THE CRISIS, ESPECIALLY FOR
PATIENTS WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE THE
VIRUS.
>> Reporter: FOR SURGEONS LIKE
JORY SIMPSON AND PATIENTS WHO
HAVE CANCER, THESE ARE SURREAL,
ALMOST UNTHINKABLE TIMES.
JUDGE MY BIGGEST FEAR WOULD BE
THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE CAUSED BY
THE PANDEMIC.
AND THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE IS
SOMETHING LIKE CANCER CARE.
>> Reporter: ON AVERAGE, MORE
THAN 600 CANADIANS ARE DIAGNOSED
WITH CANCER, AND OVER 200
PATIENTS DIE FROM THE DISEASE
EVERY SINGLE DAY.
>> I'M ANGRY AND I'M SCARED.
>> Reporter: CARA HEITMAN WAS
TO UNDERGO SURGERY FOR BREAST
CANCER IN THREE DAYS AND SHE
JUST FOUND OUT THAT IT'S BEING
RESCHEDULED.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL HAVE
SURGERY.
I DON'T KNOW IF OR WHEN I WILL
HAVE SURGERY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CANCER WILL
SPREAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL
METASTASIZE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL SURVIVE
THIS.
>> Reporter: IF A PATIENT HAS,
FOR EXAMPLE, A DEADLY GROWING
BRAIN TUMOUR, IT WILL BE
REMOVED.
BUT IN THE RACE TO MAKE SPACE
FOR COVID-19 PATIENTS, THERE'S
LITTLE TO NO CONSISTENCY FOR
TREATING OTHER CANCER PATIENTS.
>> I KNOW THAT IS NOT A COMFORT
TO PEOPLE WITH CANCER THAT ARE
HAVING THEIR SURGERIES
POSTPONED.
BUT THEY ARE -- THOSE DECISIONS
ARE BEING MADE BASED ON
CONSULTATIONS WITH CANCER CARE
EXPERTS.
>> Reporter: HOSPITALINGS IN
ONTARIO ARE ESSENTIALLY TRIAGING
PATIENTS.
AND PRIORITY IS GIVE TO THOSE
WITH LIFE OR LIMB CANCERS AND
PATIENTS WITH SOLID TUMORS MAY
WAIT
UP TO FOUR WEEKS INCLUDING
BREAST OR COLON CANCER.
AND WITH EARLY STAGE PROSTATE OR
THYROID CANCERS MAY BE POSTPONED
FOR TWO MONTHS.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO CALL AS MANY
PATIENTS WHO HAD AN APPOINTMENT
AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN DECIDE BASED ON THE
PHONE CALL
WHETHER THE PATIENT NEEDS TO BE
SEEN IN PERSON OR NOT.
>> Reporter: HOSPITALS HAVEN'T
YET BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH
COVID-19 CASES.
UNTIL THAT HAPPENS HEITMANN
FEELS THAT CANCER PATIENTS
SHOULD BE TREATED.
>> IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
>> Reporter: IN THESE
UNCERTAIN TIMES, THERE ARE NO
EASY ANSWERS.
CHRISTINE BIRAK, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: MANY OTHER
PATIENTS ARE WORRIED ABOUT
WHETHER THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET
THEIR MEDICATIONS.
PHARMACIES SAY THAT THEY'RE
TAKING STEPS TO SECURE CANADA'S
SUPPLY.
BUT VIK ADHOPIA TELLS US THAT
MEANS FOR SOME LIMITING
PRESCRIPTIONS.
>> Reporter: OF ALL OF BRUCE'S
PRESCRIPTIONS, HIS BLOOD
PRESSURE
MEDICATION IS PERHAPS MOST
CRITICAL.
HYPERTENSION PUTS HIM AT HIGH
RISK OF SEVERE ILLNESS IF HE
GETS THE CORONAVIRUS.
HE HAS ONLY A MONTH'S SUPPLY.
>> WE ARE BEING TOLD TO
SELF-ISOLATE.
SO NOW INSTEAD OF GOING TO
SHOPPER'S DRUGMART ONCE EVERY
THREE MONTHS, I'M GOING THERE
ONCE A MONTH.
>> Reporter: ACROSS THE
COUNTRY
PHARMACIES ARE LIMITING
MEDICATIONS TO A 30-DAY SUPPLY.
IT'S UNPRECEDENTED MOVED BY THE
REGULATORS, BUT NECESSARY
ACCORDING TO THIS RESEARCH
PHARMACIST.
>> THERE'S A CONCERN.
>> Reporter: CANADA'S DRUG
SUPPLY IS LINKED TO A GLOBAL
NETWORK OF WHOLESALERS AND
MANUFACTURERS AND DISTRIBUTORS.
AND THE DEMANDS FOR CERTAIN
DRUGS THAT MAY HELP WITH THE
SYMPTOMS OF COVID-19 SUCH AS
ASTHMA INHALERS COULD PUT A
STRAIN ON THAT SUPPLY.
>> MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH WHAT
IS HAPPENING IN THE U.S., IF IT
DOES CONTINUE TO WORSEN IN A
DIRECTION THAT IT'S CURRENTLY
GOING IS THAT CANADIANS WILL
WATCH THIS AND BE FEARFUL OF
WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD OCCUR IN
CANADA AND START ACTING IN A WAY
THAT ALLOWS THEM TO STOCKPILE.
>> Reporter: ADDING TO THE
PRESSURE, ABOUT 80% OF THE
ACTIVE INGREDIENTS IN
PHARMACEUTICALS ARE MADE BY JUST
TWO COUNTRIES -- INDIA AND
CHINA.
MANUFACTURING IS STARTING TO
RETURN TO NORMAL IN CHINA, BUT
INDIA HAS TEMPORARILY BANNED THE
EXPORT OF TWO DOZEN ACTIVE
INGREDIENTS TO PROTECT ITS OWN
DRUG SUPPLY.
>> I THINK THAT THE CORONAVIRUS
OUTBREAK IS CAUSING A BIG
WAKE-UP CALL FOR US TO PAY
ATTENTION TO OUR DRUG SHORTAGES
THAT EXIST ALREADY.
AND TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE
OUR DRUG COMES FROM.
>> Reporter: WHILE THERE'S NO
NATIONAL SHORTAGE IN CANADA
RIGHT NOW, THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT HAS ENACTED
LEGISLATION GIVING IT SWEEPING
POWERS TO FORCE PATENTED
DRUGMAKERS TO MANUFACTURE MORE
MEDICATION AND IF NECESSARY TO
TAKE THOSE PATENTS AWAY.
VIK ADHOPIA, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: WHAT'S BECOMING
CLEAR IS THAT DIFFERENT
PROVINCES AND CITIES ARE FACING
DIFFERENT CHALLENGES WHILE
TRYING TO MANAGE THE VIRUS.
ANITA BATHE IS TRACKING THE
STORIES FROM COMMUNITIES ACROSS
CANADA FOR US TONIGHT.
ANITA?
>> Reporter: ADRIENNE, TAKING
A LOOK AT ONTARIO WHERE THE
BACKLOG OF TESTING CONTINUES TO
GROW.
BUT THE PROVINCE IS PROMISING TO
EXPAND TESTING BY THE END OF THE
WEEK.
>> IT HAS BEEN HINDERED TO SOME
EXTENT BY THE LACK OF REAGENT
AND WE ARE PUTTING OUT APPEALS
FOR REAGENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
WE HAVE SOME COMING IN RIGHT
NOW, WHICH IS GREAT, SO WE CAN
INCREASE THE LAB TESTING
CAPACITY.
>> Reporter: AND PREMIER DOUG
FORD OUT WITH SOME TOUGH WORDS
TODAY FOR AN UPSCALE TORONTO
GROCERY STORE FOR SELLING
LISOLWIPES FOR $30.
>> I HAVE ZERO, ZERO TOLERANCE
FOR PRICE GOUGING.
I'M CALLING HIM OUT.
THAT'S DISGUSTING.
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING AND A
COMPANY LIKE THAT WOULD BE
SELLING HAND WIPES FOR THAT
COST.
>> Reporter: THE STORE SAYS
THAT THE HIGH PRICE WAS AN
ERROR.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO
QUÉBEC AND AN APPEAL TO PEOPLE
WHO ARE ABLE TO VOLUNTEER THEIR
TIME TO HELP THOSE IN NEED.
OKAY, BUT HOW DOES THAT JIBE
WITH THE REQUEST TO SHUT DOWN
BUSINESSES TO KEEP PEOPLE AT
HOME?
>> WHAT I'M ASKING QUÉBECERS IS
TO PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN TO
DELIVER FOOD TO THE PEOPLE THAT
NEED -- THAT DON'T HAVE MONEY TO
BUY FOOD.
SO I THINK THAT IF THERE'S A
DIFFERENCE WITH THE
NON-ESSENTIAL BUSINESS FOR THE
NEXT THREE WEEKS AND FEEDING THE
POPULATION.
>> Reporter: QUÉBEC IS ALSO
SAYING THAT TESTING WILL BE
STEPPED UP IN THE WEST CENTRAL
PART OF MONTRÉAL.
THAT'S AN AREA THAT HAS SEEN A
BIG CLUSTER OF CASES.
BACK TO TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: ALL RIGHT,
THANKS, ANITA.
THERE ARE BIG DEVELOPMENTS
TONIGHT FROM WASHINGTON.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
REPORTEDLY DROPPED PLANS TO
STATION AMERICAN SOLDIERS NEAR
THE CANADIAN BORDER.
THE RATIONALE APPARENTLY TO KEEP
THE VIRUS OUT.
LEADERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
BORDER WERE ASKED ABOUT THAT
PLAN TODAY.
>> President Donald Trump:
WELL, WE HAVE VERY STRONG
DEPLOYMENTS ON THE SOUTHERN
BORDER, AS YOU KNOW, WITH
MEXICO.
AND WE HAVE SOME TROOPS UP IN
CANADA.
BUT I'LL FIND OUT ABOUT THAT.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: CANADA AND THE UNITED
STATES
HAVE THE LONGEST UNMILITARIZED
BORDER IN THE WORLD AND IT'S
VERY MUCH IN BOTH OF OUR
INTERESTS TO REMAIN THAT WAY.
>> Adrienne: SO THAT BORDER IS
DEMILITARIZED FOR MORE THAN 200
YEARS.
HOWEVER, BOTH SIDES HAVE CLOSED
OFF ACCESS TO NON-ESSENTIAL
TRAVEL FOR AT LEAST 30 DAYS.
TONIGHT THE UNITED STATES PASSED
A DISTURBING MARKER.
IT NOW HAS MORE COVID-19 CASES
THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD.
THE U.S. NOW HAS MORE THAN
83,000 CASES.
THAT'S MORE THAN CHINA AND
ITALY.
BUT THE NUMBER OF DEATHS IS
LOWER THAN IN THOSE COUNTRIES
FOR NOW.
COVID-19 HAS KILLED MORE THAN
1,200 PEOPLE IN THE UNITED
STATES.
ABOUT HALF OF THOSE CASES ARE IN
NEW YORK.
PAUL HUNTER SHOWS US WHAT THE
SITUATION IS LIKE THERE.
>> Reporter: AND NOW A GIANT
MAKESHIFT MORGUE.
THIS ONE OUTSIDE OF A HOSPITAL
IN MANHATTAN WHERE THE GRIM
EXPECTATION IS THAT THERE WILL
SOON BE MORE BODIES THAN THEY
CAN HANDLE, ECHOING FEARS IN THE
NEW YORK MEDICAL COMMUNITY
BROADLY.
>> ALMOST ANY SCENARIO THAT IS
REALISTIC WILL OVERWHELM THE
CAPACITY OF THE CURRENT HEALTH
CARE SYSTEM.
>> THEY ALL HAVE COVID --
>> Reporter: MORE SOBERING
EVIDENCE IT'S ALREADY
OVERWHELMING, THIS VIDEO SENT TO
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" BY AN
EMERGENCY ROOM DOCTOR AT NEW
YORK'S ELMHURST HOSPITAL.
>> LEADERS FROM VARIOUS OFFICES,
FROM THE
PRESIDENT TO THE HEAD OF HEALTH
IN HOSPITALS SAYING THINGS LIKE
WE'RE GOING TO BE FINE.
AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE,
EVERYTHING IS NOT FINE.
>> Reporter: SHE DESCRIBES
SHORTAGES OF VENTILATORS AND
MASKS --
>> REFRIGERATED TRUCK --
>> Reporter: AND, YES, A
REFRIGERATED TRUCK READY FOR
BODIES.
>> OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DYING.
>> Reporter: TODAY OUTSIDE
THAT SAME HOSPITAL LONG LINEUPS
TO GET IN.
MEANWHILE THE LATEST GROWING
HOTSPOT -- NEW ORLEANS, WHERE
LAST MONTH MORE THAN A MILLION
REVELERS SQUEEZED TOGETHER FOR
MARDI GRAS.
NOW WITH THE HIGHEST CORONA
DEATHS PER CAPITA IN AMERICA,
IT'S A CHANGED CITY.
>> THE STREETS ARE EMPTY, THE
FRENCH MARKET IS EMPTY AND IT'S
RATHER SURREAL, ACTUALLY.
>> Reporter: AT HIS NOME IN
-- HOME IN
THE NEW ORLEANS SUBURBS, JOSEPH
DUNN TOLD US THAT HE HIMSELF WAS
OUT ON THOSE STREETS LAST MONTH.
THAT'S HIM ON THE RIGHT.
AS HE NOW WORRIES WHAT'S TO COME
IN LOUISIANA.
>> I WOULDN'T SAY THAT PEOPLE
ARE FREAKING OUT.
I'D SAY THAT THEY'RE PAYING
ATTENTION AS THIS RAMPS UP AND
AS OUR -- ESPECIALLY IN OUR
WARD AREAS, OUR HEALTH CARE
SYSTEMS OR OUR HOSPITALS ARE NOT
ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT.
>> Reporter: WITH THAT
CHALLENGE AND FEAR GROWING,
DONALD TRUMP, MEANWHILE,
CONTINUES TO CONSIDER RELAXING
GUIDELINES ON SOCIAL DISTANCING,
THOUGH TODAY UNDERLINED THAT FOR
THE MOMENT --
>> President Donald Trump: FOR
A WHILE STAY HOME, JUST RELAX,
STAY HOME.
MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS.
>> Reporter: HIGHLIGHTING AS
WELL CONTINUING WORK ON
THERAPIES AND VACCINES, EVEN
THOUGH BOTH ARE LIKELY SOME TIME
AWAY.
AS TRUMP PUT IT, "I HOPE WE GET
LUCKY."
PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
>> Adrienne: THOUSANDS OF
CANADIANS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR
OTTAWA'S EMERGENCY RELIEF MONEY.
>> IT BECOMES THEN A CALCULATED
GAME OF DO I DO NOTHING OR DO I,
YOU KNOW, WORK.
>> Adrienne: NEXT ON "THE
NATIONAL," ANSWERING YOUR
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO GETS MONEY
AND HOW AND WHEN.
>>> PLUS, WE ANSWER YOUR
QUESTIONS ABOUT COVID-19, LIKE,
SHOULD WE STOP USING RE-USABLE
GROCERY BAGS?
>>> AND REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL
WORK FROM HOME FAMILY?
>> I THINK THAT ONE OF MY
CHILDREN JUST WALKED IN.
>> Adrienne: AS WE ALL FIGURE
OUT THAT WORK FROM HOME/LIFE
BALANCE, THEY'RE BACK WITH SOME
KIND OF ENCOURAGING WORDS.
WE'RE BACK IN TWO.
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>> Adrienne: COVID-19 HAS HIT
LIKELIHOODS BLINDINGLY FAST AND
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EXPECTS
FOUR MILLION CANADIANS TO TAP
INTO THE CANADA EMERGENCY
RESPONSE BENEFIT.
THAT'S A MONTHLY PAYMENT TO
COVER A SUDDEN LOSS OF INCOME.
BUT LIKE SO MUCH RIGHT NOW, IT'S
NEW AND CANADIANS HAVE
QUESTIONS.
ASHLEY BURKE HAS SOME ANSWERS.
>> Reporter: THIS IS HOW
CATHERINE MAZARAK HAS BEEN
PAYING FOR HER UNIVERSITY
EDUCATION BUT THE DANCE STUDIO
IS NOW CLOSED.
>> IT'S A LITTLE STRESSFUL
BECAUSE OF THE UNKNOWN.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: WE LAUNCHED THE NEW
CANADA EMERGENCY RESPONSE
BENEFIT WHICH WILL PROVIDE
$2,000 A MONTH FOR UP TO FOUR
MONTHS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
GETTING PAID AS A RESULT OF
COVID-19.
>> Reporter: IT SOUNDS GOOD,
BUT MANY CANADIANS HAVE THE SAME
QUESTION -- AM I ELIGIBLE?
>> The Hon. Bill Morneau:
EVERY CANADIAN THAT FINDS
THEMSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE
THEY'VE EARNED REVENUE IN THE
PAST
12 MONTHS OF $5,000 OR MORE AND
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INCOME AS A
RESULT OF COVID-19, THEY CAN GET
THIS BENEFIT.
>> Reporter: THAT'S KEY HERE.
YOU HAVE TO EARN NO INCOME AT
ALL FOR 14 DAYS.
MEANING THAT SELF-EMPLOYED
PEOPLE LIKE MAZUROK ARE NOT
ELIGIBLE IF THEY HAVE SOME MONEY
COMING IN.
>> IT BECOMES A CALCULATED GAME
OF DO I DO NOTHING OR DO I, YOU
KNOW, WORK.
>> Reporter: THE CALCULATION
IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR THE
MILLION CANADIANS WHO APPLIED
FOR E.I. LAST WEEK ALONE.
SO WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE
ALREADY GETTING E.I.?
>> E.I. ELIGIBLE CANADIANS WHO
HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS CAN
CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR E.I.
ONLINE AND WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY
ENROLLED IN THE CREB.
>> Reporter: IF YOU ALREADY
APPLIED FOR E.I., YOU HAVE
COVERED.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T APPLIED YET,
THE GOVERNMENT SAYS TO WAIT
UNTIL THEY
LAUNCH THE ONLINE APPLICATION IN
EARLY APRIL.
THAT LEADS TO THE NEXT
QUESTION -- HOW SOON SHOULD I
GET THE EMERGENCY BENEFIT?
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: PEOPLE SHOULD RECEIVE
MONEY WITHIN 14 DAYS OF
APPLYING.
>> Reporter: THAT'S AT LEAST
MID-APRIL, NOT SOON ENOUGH FOR
THIS YOGA TEACHER.
HE'S UNSURE HOW HE'S GOING TO
PAY NEXT MONTH'S BILLS.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NEXT
DOLLAR IS COMING FROM WITH MY
TEACHING.
AND I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THAT AND
WAIT TIME FOR THAT
TO COME THROUGH IS HIGHLY
DISTRESSING.
>> Reporter: WHEN TIME AND
MONEY ARE RUNNING OUT.
ASHLEY BURKE, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.
>> Adrienne: STILL AHEAD ON
"THE NATIONAL," WHAT ARE YOU
SUPPOSED TO DO IF YOU SEE
SOMEONE BREAKING SOCIAL
DISTANCING RULES?
>> YOU HAVE REACHED THE COVID
COMPLIANCE T
>> Adrienne: IS IT SNITCHING
OR IS IT
COMPLIANCE TIP LINE.
>> Adrienne: IS IT SNITCHING
OR IS IT SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY?
>>> PLUS, OUR DOCTORS ANSWER
YOUR QUESTIONS, LIKE, IS IT
PO
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>> Adrienne: WELCOME BACK.
AS THE OUTBREAK GROWS, THE
AMOUNT OF INFORMATION CAN BE
OVERWHELMING, SO EVERY NIGHT
WE'RE COMMITTING TIME ON THIS
PROGRAMME TO ANSWERING YOUR
QUESTIONS.
WITH ME TONIGHT IS DR. LYNORA
SAXINGER, AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE
SPECIALIST AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
ALBERTA.
AND DR. ISSAC BOGOCH, INFECTIOUS
DISEASE SPECIALIST AT THE
UNIVERSITY HEALTH NETWORK IN
TORONTO.
SO LET'S GET RIGHT INTO IT HERE.
SINCE THE VIRUSES IMPACT IS
MAINLY ON THE LUNGS, CAUSING
PNEUMONIA.
DOES IT MEAN THAT SENIORS WHO
HAD A PNEUMONIA SHOT WILL HAVE A
MEASURE OF PROTECTION FROM THE
VIRUS?
LET'S START WITH YOU,
DR. BOGOCH.
>> YES, SO, CERTAINLY, WE KNOW
THAT SENIORS ARE SUPPOSED TO GET
THIS PNEUMONIA VACCINE.
BUT THIS VACCINE ITSELF WILL NOT
PROTECT
THEM FROM GETTING THIS COVID-19
INFECTION.
IT WILL HELP, HOWEVER, IF
SOMEONE HAS A CO-INFECTION,
MEANING THEY GET A BACTERIAL
PNEUMONIA ON TOP OF IT AND IT
COULD PROTECT AGAINST BACTERIAL
PNEUMONIAS THAT MAY BE SUPER
IMPOSED BUT IT WILL NOT PROTECT
AGAINST THE
COVID-19 INFECTION.
>> LET ME JUST ADD THAT SO FAR
THERE'S REALLY NO EVIDENCE THAT
THERE'S A PARTICULAR PATTERN OF
CO-INFECTIONS IN COVID-RELATED
DISEASE AND WHAT TYPES OF
BACTERIA ARE THE MOST COMMON
CAUSES OF THOSE.
BUT I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THIS IS
A REASONABLE STEP AND REALLY
SHOULD BE
DONE FOR SENIORS ANYWAY.
>> Adrienne: OKAY,
DR. SAXINGER, NEXT ONE FOR YOU.
SHOULD WE AVOID USING RE-USABLE
GROCERY BAGS DURING THE COVID-19
OUTBREAK?
>> GROCERY BAGS HAVE PEOPLE
UPSET.
I THINK THAT IT IS PARTLY
BECAUSE
THERE'S A STUDY SUGGESTING THAT
THE VIRUS IS STILL VIABLE ON
PLASTIC AFTER 72 HOURS.
BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD
PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY'RE
DOING WITH THEIR BELONGINGS AND
WHERE THEY'VE BEEN BEFORE THEY
ASSUME
THAT THINGS CARRY RISK.
I THINK THAT YOUR OPTION IS TO
USE A BAG THAT YOU CAN WASH
OFTEN OR A SINGLE-USE BAG THAT
YOU CAN EXPOSE OF WHICH IS
ENVIRONMENTALLY LESS FRIENDLY.
AND FINALLY, ANYTHING THAT YOU
CARRY THAT MIGHT HAVE VIRUS
CONTAMINATION, YOU CAN GET RID
OF THE RISK BY WASHING
YOUR HANDS THOROUGHLY, SO UPON
COMING HOME FROM SHOPPING.
SO THE SIMPLEST THING IS
MANAGING YOUR HAND HYGIENE AND
THINKING ABOUT THE PLACES THAT
YOU HAVE BEEN.
>> Adrienne: IT ALWAYS COMES
BACK TO WASHING YOUR HANDS.
DR. BOGOCH, IF SOMEONE HAS
RECOVERED FROM COVID-19, IS IT
POSSIBLE TO GET IT A SECOND
TIME?
>> THE SHORT ANSWER OF THAT IS
THAT WE DON'T ENTIRELY KNOW NOW.
BUT MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT IF
YOU'VE BEEN INFECTED WITH THIS
VIRUS THAT IT'S VERY UNLIKELY
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET
RE-INFECTED WITH THIS VIRUS
DURING THE COURSE OF THIS
PANDEMIC.
THAT MAY CHANGE WITH TIME, OF
COURSE, WE'RE STILL OPEN TO THE
POSSIBILITY.
BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE
MUCH EVIDENCE
FOR PEOPLE TO BE RE-INFECTED
AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN INFECTED
WITH THIS VIRUS.
SO I THINK PEOPLE WILL LIKELY
HAVE
IMMUNITY FOR THE COURSE OF THIS
PANDEMIC.
>> Adrienne: SO ONE MORE
QUESTION TO TOSS YOUR WAY HERE.
LET'S HAVE A LOOK HERE -- WHAT
ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF
HOW OUR PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM
WILL NAVIGATE THE NEXT STAGE OF
THIS PANDEMIC.
AND WE'LL JUST DO THIS WITH YOU,
DR. SAXINGER.
>> I THINK THAT -- I MEAN, SO
FAR I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC
HEALTH RESPONSE HAS BEEN
PROPERLY MEASURED.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
LOOK FOR IS THE CONTINUED
STEWARDSHIP OF THE THINGS THAT
THE COMMUNITY HAS TO DO TO
PROTECT US.
AND WE'LL LOOK MORE INTO THE
HEALTH SYSTEM RESPONSE AS WELL
AS CASES INCREASE IN THE
COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE STANDARDIZED REPORTING
ACROSS PROVINCES FOR BETTER DATA
HANDLING AS WELL.
>> Adrienne: ALL RIGHT, BOTH
OF YOU, ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU
VERY, VERY MUCH.
AND WE GET GREAT QUESTIONS EVERY
DAY AND GREAT ANSWERS FROM YOU
EVERY NIGHT.
SO AS WE'VE MENTIONED WE WILL BE
ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT
COVID-19 EVERY NIGHT GOING
FORWARD.
SO SEND US THE QUESTIONS THAT
YOU HAVE.
YOU CAN MESSAGE US DIRECTLY ON
INSTAGRAM @CBCTHENATIONAL OR
SEND US AN EMAIL TO
COVID@CBC.CA.
JUST PUT "THE NATIONAL" IN THE
SUBJECT LINE.
>>> SO THE MESSAGE FROM LEADERS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN VERY
CLEAR --
DISOBEYING QUARANTINE AND SOCIAL
DISTANCING MEASURES PUTS LIVES
IN DANGER AND IN SOME CASES
COMES WITH PENALTIES.
SO WHEN YOU WITNESS A FAILURE TO
COMPLY, DO YOU SNITCH?
AS CHRIS GLOVER EXPLAINS, SOME
DEFINITELY ARE.
>> Reporter: PARKS LOCKED UP,
BUT IN TORONTO THEY'VE BEEN THE
SCENE OF SOCIAL DISTANCING,
LEADING TO DOZENS OF COMPLAINTS.
>> WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT MORE
MUSIC.
AND BECAUSE MY BOYFRIEND
AND I ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A
MOVE WE HAPPENED TO BE OUTSIDE.
>> Reporter: IN REVELSTOKE,
B.C., ZOE WAS SHOCKED TO SEE A
PARTY ACROSS THE STREET AND
CALLED THE RCMP NON-EMERGENCY
LINE TO REPORT IT.
>> PLAYED A BIT ON MY
HEARTSTRING JUST BECAUSE I'M
BEING SO CAUTIOUS AND THEY
EITHER DON'T KNOW OR THEY REALLY
JUST DON'T CARE.
>> YOU HAVE REACHED THE COVID
COMPLIANCE TIP LINE.
>> Reporter: SOME
JURISDICTIONS ASK YOU TO REPORT
BY PHONE.
IN OTHERS LIKE NEWFOUNDLAND AND
ALBERTA, IT'S AN ONLINE REPORT.
>> DO NOT CALL 911 UNLESS
THERE'S AN EMERGENCY THAT
REQUIRES A RESPONSE BY POLICE,
FIRE OR PARAMEDICS.
>> NOW WE'LL WEAR GLOVES.
>> Reporter: PARAMEDICS STAND
READY TO RESPOND TO SUSPECTED
COVID CASES BUT B.C. OFFICIALS
SAY THAT SOME ARE EXAGGERATING
SYMPTOMS TO GET ATTENTION.
>> WE CAN'T BE TYING UP
RESOURCES AND SUPPLIES
UNNECESSARILY, ESPECIALLY IN
THIS HEIGHTENED SITUATION.
>> Reporter: MANY 911 CALLS
ARE NON-EMERGENCIES.
>> WE CANNOT ANSWER QUESTIONS
ABOUT COVID-19 AND WE ABSOLUTELY
CANNOT BE TAKING COMPLAINTS
ABOUT LONG GROCERY STORE LINES.
>> Reporter: THAT'S WHAT
PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE FOR.
>> THERE YOU GO, EXACTLY.
>> Reporter: SOME ARE CONFUSED
ABOUT HOW TO REPORT SO-CALLED
COVIDIANS.
>> AT THE TONE, PLEASE MAKE YOUR
REPORT.
>> Reporter: OTHERS CREATING
JOKE VIDEOS OF THE SNITCH
MENTALITY.
BUT ZOE PURVIS SAYS THAT
THINKING MUST CHANGE.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT IT REALLY
IS A SNITCH SCENARIO.
WE'RE ALL DOING IT TO PROTECT
SOMEONE THAT WE KNOW THAT WE
LOVE.
>> Reporter: IT'S WORKING.
THIS PARK IN WINDSOR, ONTARIO,
TODAY NEARLY EMPTY.
YESTERDAY IT WAS SWARMING WITH
CROWDS.
CHRIS GLOVER, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: STILL AHEAD ON
"THE NATIONAL," DEBUNKING
DANGEROUS CLAIMS THAT TEA CAN
PREVENT YOU FROM CATCHING COVID.
SPOILER ALERT -- IT CAN'T.
>>> BUT, FIRST, ROSIE IS HERE
WITH THE "AT ISSUE" GANG.
>> Rosemary: ADRIENNE, THE
PRIME MINISTER HAS CONTINUED TO
SPEAK TO CANADIANS EVERY DAY
THIS WEEK.
THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK.
A SHIFT IN TONE.
TOUGHER RESTRICTIONS.
AND HELP FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT
MOST.
BUT IS IT WORKING?
CHANTAL, ANDREW AND ALTHIA WILL
JOIN ME RIGHT AFTER THIS BREAK.
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>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
GO HOME AND STAY HOME.
IF PEOPLE DO NOT FOLLOW THESE
GUIDELINES,
WE WILL PUT MUCH MORE STRINGENT
MEASURES IN PLACE.
IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY WITH THESE
INSTRUCTIONS, YOU COULD FACE
SERIOUS FINES AND EVEN PRISON
TIME.
>> Rosemary: SO A CLEAR MARKED
CHANGE, A SHIFT IN TONE FROM THE
PRIME MINISTER THIS WEEK AS THE
NUMBER OF CASES IN THIS COUNTRY
CONTINUES TO RISE AND THE
RESTRICTIONS TIGHTEN.
SO IS THE GOVERNMENT'S MESSAGE
REACHING CANADIANS?
IS IT -- ARE THEY DOING WHAT
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND IT'S
THURSDAY AND I'M HERE WITH "AT
ISSUE."
THEY'RE DOING THEIR
PART AND STAYING HOME.
CHANTAL HEBERT IS IN MONTRÉAL.
AND ANDREW COYNE IS IN TORONTO.
AND ALTHIA RAJ IS IN OTTAWA.
GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL, I
APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS VIA
REMOTELY.
LET'S START WITH SOME OF THOSE
STRONG WORDS THAT WE HEARD FROM
THE PRIME MINISTER THIS WEEK.
A REAL ESCALATION IN TONE FROM
THE PRIME MINISTER.
CHANTAL HEBERT, WHAT DID YOU
MAKE OF IT?
DID IT COME AT RIGHT TIME?
>> YES, BECAUSE PART OF THE
ISSUE IS GETTING PUBLIC OPINION
RAMPED UP TO ACCEPT THOSE
MESSAGES.
SO AT THIS POINT I THINK THAT A
LOT OF CANADIANS ARE READY FOR
THAT TONE.
TWO, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TORONTO
AND OTTAWA, BUT IN MONTRÉAL IT
LOOKS TO ME LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE ACTUALLY DOING WHAT THEY'RE
SUPPOSED TO DO.
THIS CITY IS VIRTUALLY EMPTY.
BUT, THREE, THERE HAVE BEEN NICE
THINGS AND I THINK A
LOT OF CREDIT GIVEN TO PREMIERS
LIKE FRANÇOIS LEGAULT WHO HAVE
BEEN TALKING FAIRLY STRONGLY
ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT FOR A
WHILE.
SO I THINK THAT THE MR. NICE GUY
THING IN OTTAWA WAS NOT
NECESSARILY THE BEST APPROACH AT
THIS POINT.
>> Rosemary: AND IT CAME,
ANDREW, SORT ABOUT A DAY BEFORE
THE GOVERNMENT DECIDED THAT THE
QUARANTINE ACT WOULD BE USED AND
PEOPLE COMING BACK INTO THIS
COUNTRY WOULD NOW FACE THIS
MANDATORY ISOLATION.
DID THOSE THINGS ALL HAVE TO
SORT OF HAPPEN, AS CHANTAL
POINTED OUT,
TO GET TO THAT PLACE?
>> I'M NOT SURE.
I THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT
BEARS SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY
FOR WHATEVER BACKSLIDING OR
LACKADAISICAL ATTITUDES THAT
SOME CANADIANS MAY BE TAKING TO
THIS.
THIS IS A GOVERNMENT THAT FOR A
LONG TIME WAS SAYING THAT THE
RISK WAS LOW, THEY DIDN'T NEED
TO
ENFORCE CONTROLS AT THE BORDERS,
FOR EXAMPLE.
WHEN THEY DID, THEY
DIDN'T HAVE PROPER ADVISORIES
FOR INCOMING FLIGHTS.
SO THEY'VE NOW DECIDED TO GET
SERIOUS ABOUT IT AND THEY NOW
DECIDED TO SLAM ON THE BRAKES
AND THEY NOW WANT TO LOOK VERY
TOUGH ON THIS.
THAT'S ALL VERY WELL AND GOOD,
BUT AS
I SAY THEY MAY BE OVERREACTING
SLIGHTLY NOW BECAUSE THEY WERE
OVERREACTING BEFORE.
>> Rosemary: ALTHIA, WHAT DO
YOU THINK?
>> I THINK THAT IT'S TOO EARLY
TO SAY IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY
OVERREACTING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T
SEEN ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO
ENFORCEMENT.
AND ON THE ENFORCEMENT FOR A LOT
OF THE MEASURES THAT THEY HAVE
ANNOUNCED IN THE PAST, IT WASN'T
THERE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SAID THAT
THERE WOULD BE STRICTER BORDER
CONTROLS AND
YOU WENT THROUGH THE AIRPORT AND
NOBODY ASKED YOU ANYTHING.
AND THEN A FEW DAYS LATER IT WAS
JUST A FORM ON THE TERMINAL
WHERE YOU ACCEPT THAT YOU HAVE
READ IT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU
KNOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTS
YOU TO SELF-ISOLATE.
I AGREE WITH CHANTAL THAT IT
TOOK SOME TIME TO GET THE PUBLIC
TO BUY INTO THE IDEA OF A FORCED
QUARANTINE.
THAT BEING SAID, IT SEEMS THAT
THE GOVERNMENT'S MESSAGING
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATCH WHAT
ITS POLICY PRESCRIPTIONS ARE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD CHRYSTIA
FREELAND THIS WEEK COME OUT AND
SAY -- AND ACTUALLY THE PRIME
MINISTER THIS MORNING AS WELL --
SAYING THAT THIS WILL MAKE
CANADIANS FEEL A LOT SAFER.
WELL, IF YOU THINK THAT THIS
WILL MAKE
CANADIANS FEEL A LOT SAFER, WHY
DIDN'T DO YOU THIS A WEEK AGO OR
TWO WEEKS AGO?
NOW WE'RE HEARING FROM PUBLIC
HEALTH
OFFICIALS THAT PEOPLE ARE
GETTING IT THROUGH COMMUNITY
TRANSFERS AND NOT THROUGH
TRAVEL.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO SAFEGUARD US
FROM THE TRAVELLERS, YOU SHOULD
HAVE ACTED SOONER.
>> Rosemary: WELL, SPEAKING OF
THE MESSAGING -- AND SOME OF IT
HAS BEEN -- PARTICULARLY AROUND
THE QUARANTINE ACT A BIT
CONFUSING AND A LITTLE BIT
UNCLEAR.
BUT WHAT SOME CLARIFY AS
MISSTEPS AND I'M TALKING ABOUT
THE LEGISLATION THAT THE
GOVERNMENT, ACCORDING TO THE
CONSERVATIVES ANYWAY,
OVERREACHED.
WAS THAT -- WERE THEY ABLE TO
SALVAGE THINGS ENOUGH THAT THAT
WON'T BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE
REMEMBERED AS A MISTAKE,
CHANTAL?
>> I SUSPECT THAT WITH PEOPLE
LOSING THEIR JOBS WITH HUGE
NUMBERS EVERY DAY, WITH THE KIDS
NOT GOING TO SCHOOL, WHAT
HAPPENED ON PARLIAMENT HILL THIS
WEEK IS NOT GOING TO STICK FOR
VERY LONG.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A GREAT
THING.
AND I DO BELIEVE IN THE
END THAT THE PARLIAMENT WORKED
THIS WEEK.
BUT YOU NEED TO HIVE OFF WHAT
HAPPENS IN PARLIAMENT WITH WHAT
HAPPENS ON THE STREET IN REAL
LIFE.
AND I BELIEVE AT THE END OF THE
DAY EVERY POLITICIAN IN THIS
COUNTRY IS GOING TO BE JUDGED ON
WHERE WE END UP AND WHERE WE GO
FROM THERE AND NOT WHAT HAPPENED
IN PARLIAMENT.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S FAIR.
BUT IT DID BECOME A MOMENT,
ANDREW, WHERE SORT OF THE
COLLABORATION WAS ON PAUSE AND
THE POLITICS WAS VERY APPARENT.
>> IT WAS A DISGRACEFUL
OVERREACH.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE
IN EXTRAORDINARY TIMES,
EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES ARE
NEEDED.
I THINK THAT THE OPPOSITION
PARTIES THEMSELVES HAVE SIGNED
ON TO THAT.
THE PEOPLE WERE
PREPARED TO GIVE THE GOVERNMENT
A GREAT DEAL OF LEEWAY.
BUT TO INSERT AN UNLIMITED POWER
TO TAX AND SPEND AND BORROW UP
TO TWO YEARS AND IN ADDITION
THERE WERE CLAUSES THAT ALLOWED
THE MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT TO
BASICALLY RE-WRITE THE
EMPLOYMENT
INSURANCE ACT ON THE FLY, THESE
THINGS ARE SO FAR BEYOND ANY
NOTION OF PARLIAMENTARY
GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE COMPLETELY
UNNECESSARY.
ONE HAS A FEELING THAT THE
GOVERNMENT SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO
BASICALLY INSULATE ITSELF IN A
MINORITY PARLIAMENT FROM
EFFECTIVE SCRUTINY FOR TWO YEARS
AND TOOK IT.
AND IF THE OPPOSITION HADN'T
STOOD UP TO IT, I THINK IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN
BAD NOT ONLY FOR PARLIAMENT BUT
FOR FIGHTING THIS VIRUS.
WE HAVE TO KEEP THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE SKEPTICAL OF THIS GOVERNMENT
ON BOARD.
IF WE DON'T HAVE AN EFFECTIVE
PARLIAMENT SCRUTINIZING THING
-- THEM AND GIVING VOICE TO
PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE WAY
THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS HANDLING
THIS, THEN WE WON'T BE ABLE TO
HAVE THAT DEMOCRATIC
BUY-IN THAT WE NEED.
>> Rosemary: ALTHIA?
AND I SEE
THAT CHANTAL WANTS TO SAY ONE
MORE THING.
ALTHIA?
>> IT'S A COLOSSAL MISTAKE.
I DON'T THINK THEY WERE TRYING
TO SAFEGUARD THE GOVERNMENT FOR
TWO YEARS.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE SAW THIS
PIECE
OF LEGISLATION AND SOME PEOPLE
THOUGHT THEY WERE BEING CLEVER
AND THOUGHT THAT WE DON'T KNOW
WHEN THIS IS GOING TO END, LET'S
GIVE OURSELVES AS MUCH PADDING
AS POSSIBLE.
I THINK THAT IT WAS GROSS
INCOMPETENCE, FRANKLY, AND
EMBARRASSING AND IT WILL GO DOWN
IN THE HISTORY BOOKS AS ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF THE LIBERAL
GOVERNMENT TRYING TO DENY THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION ITS ROLE.
I MEAN, WE SAW THAT WITH MOTION
6 A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND SO THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME
THAT THE LIBERALS HAVE TRIED TO
SHORTCHANGE PARLIAMENT.
BUT THEY WERE ON SUCH A GOOD
POSITIVE COURSE.
YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SENDING A
GOVERNMENT PLANE TO PICK UP THE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION AND BRING IN
EVERYBODY BASICALLY INTO OTTAWA
TO SING KUMBAYA.
AND CHANTAL IS RIGHT, THAT IT
WORKED WELL.
THE OPPOSITION LEAKED THE
CONTENT OF THE LEGISLATION AND
THERE WAS PUBLIC OUTRAGE.
THE GOVERNMENT SCALED BACK.
THE N.D.P. WAS ABLE TO SAY THAT
THEY ALSO INFLUENCED THE
GOVERNMENT BY HAVING THIS $2,000
A MONTH FLAT PAYMENT AS OPPOSED
TO GOING THROUGH THE E.I. SYSTEM
WHICH IS A MODIFIED VERSION OF
WHAT THE N.D.P. HAD BEEN
PROPOSING.
AND THEN WE THOUGHT WHEN, LIKE,
THE INFLUENCE THAT ONE SINGLE
MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT CAN HAVE
AND THAT IS CONSERVATIVE M.P.
SCOTT REID WHO HEARD ABOUT THIS
OVERREACH AS A GOVERNMENT GIVING
ITSELF POWERS UNTIL 2021, AND
DECIDING THAT IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS
AND WAS NOT GOING TO GIVE
UNANIMOUS CONSENT AND DROVE TO
OTTAWA.
I MEAN HIS RIDING IS NOT TOO FAR
FROM PARLIAMENT HILL.
AND THEN BASICALLY GOT -- I
MEAN, HE CONVINCED HIS OWN PARTY
TO BACKTRACK AGAINST A UNANIMOUS
CONSENT THAT THEY HAD BEGIN THE
LIBERALS TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE
PARLIAMENT SCRUTINY ON HOW THE
LIBERALS SPEND MONEY BECAUSE OF
THAT ONE M.P., SCOTT REID.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, LAST POINT
TO
YOU, CHANTAL.
>> ONE, THE SAVING GRACE FOR THE
GOVERNMENT IS THAT IT HAPPENED
OVER A MONDAY NEWS CYCLE.
WHICH NO ONE COULD HAVE SEEN A
PARLIAMENTARY CRISIS THAT
STRETCHED BEYOND THAT ONE DAY.
BUT I'M GUESSING THAT THE MORE
DISQUIETING THING IS THAT IF YOU
DON'T BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE SAT
AND TALKED OARKTS WE'RE GOING TO
GET CONTROL OF PARLIAMENT FOR
TWO
YEARS -- WHICH I HAPPENED TO NOT
BELIEVE -- IT'S MORE DISQUIETING
TO WORRY THAT IT'S
INCOMPETENCE/PANIC AT WORK AND
THAT IS WORRISOME.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, I'VE GOT TO
LEAVE IT THERE.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, AND
I APPRECIATE IT.
BEFORE WE GO SUBSCRIBE TO "AT
ISSUE" THE PODCAST FOR EXTRA
CONTENT ON HOW THE GOVERNMENT IS
MANAGING THIS CRISIS.
THOSE QUESTIONS ARE IMPORTANT AS
IT GOES ON.
SO LOOK FOR ON IT REQUEST MAJOR
PODCAST APP AND OUR WEBSITE
cbcnews.ca/thenational.
FOR NOW THOUGH BACK TO MY FRIEND
ADRIENNE IN TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: "THE MOMENT" IS
COMING UP.
ONE FOR THE BASEBALL FANS
MISSING TODAY'S POSTPONED HOME
OPENER.
>>> BUT, FIRST, DEBUNKING COVID
SCAMS.
NEXT ON "THE NATIONAL" OUR
HIDDEN CAMERA INVESTIGATION INTO
A MAN
SELLING TEA THAT HE SAYS THAT
WILL STAVE OFF THE VIRUS.
WE'RE BACK RIGHT AFTER THIS.
DR. CAULFIELD ABOUT
HOW TO MANAGE RISKS AND ANXIETY
DURING THE PANDEMIC.
SUBSCRIBE WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR
PODCASTS.
>> Adrienne: WELCOME BACK.
WE ALL KNOW CANADIANS ARE
FEELING A LOT OF FEAR RIGHT NOW
ABOUT CONTRACTING THIS
CORONAVIRUS.
AND THAT COULD MAKE THEM
VULNERABLE TO CLAIMS OF FAKE
CURES OR PREVENTION PRODUCTS.
THE CBC NEWS HIDDEN CAMERA
INVESTIGATION SHOWS US A
WINNIPEG ACUPUNCTURIST WAS
SELLING A TEA THAT HE CLAIMS
THAT COULD KEEP YOU SAFE.
CAROLINE BARGHOUT TOOK THAT TO
THE EXPERTS.
>> Reporter: LAST WEEK A
ACUPUNCTURE CLINIC SENT A MASS
EMAIL TO PATIENTS AND IT SAID,
COVID-19 IS HERE, SO IS AN
HERBAL TEA TO PREVENT IT.
USING A HIDDEN CAMERA, CBC NEWS
POSED AS A CUSTOMER TO
INVESTIGATE.
>> [indiscernible]
>> Reporter: DR. GUOJIAN HUANG
SAYS THAT THE
TEA'S FORMULA WAS DEVELOPED BY
DOCTORS WHO TRAVELLED TO WUHAN,
CHINA, AT THE START OF THE
OUTBREAK.
HE CLAIMS THEY DRANK IT PRIOR TO
ARRIVING AND NEVER GOT SICK.
EVEN THOUGH THEY STAYED THERE
TREATING PATIENTS FOR A MONTH.
HUANG CHARGES $60 FOR SIX BAGS
OF TEA.
AND TOLD US THAT WE'D NEED
TO DRINK ONE A DAY FOR THE NEXT
SIX DAYS JUST LIKE THE DOCTORS
WHO WENT TO WUHAN.
A UNIVERSITY OF MANITOBA
VIROLOGIST SAYS THAT THERE'S NO
CURES OR VACCINES FOR COVID-19
AND THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY NEEDS
TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING
THAT MESSAGE OUT.
>> I'M RELATIVELY DISGUSTED
THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE STILL
TRYING TO PROFIT HERE, YOU KNOW,
WHEN THERE ARE GLOBAL HEALTH
CRISES.
BUT ULTIMATELY NOT SURPRISED.
>> Reporter: DR. PETER LIN HAS
HEARD ALL KINDS OF CLAIMS SINCE
THE COVID-19 OUTBREAK FROM
STANDING ON YOUR HEAD TO
DRINKING WARM WATER EVERY 20
MINUTES TO WASH COVID AWAY.
HE SAYS THAT NONE OF THEM ARE
TRUE.
>> OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS, LET'S
SAY, THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT
DRINKING WARM WATER OR THE TEA
WILL PROTECT YOU AND YOU WON'T
DO THE RIGHT THING AND,
THEREFORE, YOU EXPOSE YOURSELF
IN TERMS OF THE VIRUS ITSELF.
>> Reporter: HEALTH CANADA HAS
NOT APPROVED ANY PRODUCT TO
PREVENT, TREAT OR CURE COVID-19
AND SAYING THAT MAKES FALSE OR
MISLEADING CLAIMS IS ILLEGAL.
HUANG HAS SINCE WALKED BACK HIS
COMMENTS, AND NOW SAYS THAT THE
TEA CAN'T REPLACE THINGS LIKE
SOCIAL DISTANCING OR HANDWASHING
OR WEARING A MASK.
THE CHINESE MEDICINE AND
ACUPUNCTURE ASSOCIATION OF
CANADA HAS
SENT HIM A LETTER AND WARNING
HIM TO STOP MAKING FALSE CLAIMS
OR RISK LEGAL ACTION.
CAROLINE BARGHOUT, CBC NEWS,
WINNIPEG.
>> Adrienne: NEXT ON "THE
NATIONAL," A MOMENT FOR UNHAPPY
BASEBALL FANS, INSTEAD OF
HOSTING THE BLUE JAYS' HOME
OPENER, JAMIE CAMPBELL SPENT THE
DAY CALLING
FANS TO TALK BASEBALL.
WE LISTEN IN NEXT.
>>> BUT FIRST, REWIND -- IN
2017, THERE
WAS NO COVID-19 AND GATHERING IN
GROUPS WAS STILL OKAY AND THIS
GAVE US ALL A GOOD LAUGH.
>> WHAT WILL IT MEAN FOR THE
WIDER REGION, I THINK THAT ONE
OF YOUR CHILDREN JUST WALKED IN.
>> Adrienne: PROFESSOR ROBERT
KELLY BECAME A STAR WHEN HIS
KIDS
STORMED IN ON A LIVE BBC
INTERVIEW.
>> PARDON ME.
MY APOLOGIES.
>> Adrienne: THE TRIALS OF
WORKING FROM HOME ON FULL
DISPLAY.
WITH SO MANY MORE PARENTS LIVING
THAT LIFE, THE BBC DECIDED TO
BRING THE FAMILY BACK.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU EXCITED ABOUT
BEING ON THE TELY.
THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME.
>> Adrienne: HIS KIDS JUST AS
RAMBUNCTIOUS AND HIS WORK LIFE
JUST AS WILD.
>> DIFFICULT I THINK AS FAR AS
WORK GETTING DONE A DAY.
AND WE'RE FIGHTING WITH THEM ALL
THE TIME.
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO, THEY'RE
CLIMBING THE WALL
HARRISON, LONG THROW, NOT IN 
TIME.
THAT'S A BASE HIT.
>> Adrienne: THOSE ARE SIGHTS 
AND SOUNDS BASEBALL FANS ARE 
MISSING TODAY.
THESE ARE LAST YEAR'S 
HOME-OPENER AT THE ROGERS 
CENTRE.
SO THIS YEAR DELAYED OF COURSE 
BECAUSE OF THE CORONAVIRUS, SO 
WHAT IS A SPORTSCASTER TO DO 
WHEN THERE ARE NO SPORTS?
WELL, WITNESS JAMIE CAMPBELL, 
THE HOST FOR BASEBALL ON 
SPORTSNET, THE BASEBALL FIX BY 
CALLING FANS.
THAT'S TONIGHT'S MOMENT.
>> HEY, ANN, THIS IS JAMIE 
CAMPBELL FROM SPORTSNET.
>> HI!
>> HOW ARE YOU?
>> NOT TOO BAD.
>> HOW CAN I REACH OUT TO BLUE 
JAYS FANS WHEN EVERYBODY IS 
ISOLATED AND ESPECIALLY THOSE 
OVER 65, SCARED, LONELY, NOT IN 
PHYSICAL CONTACT WITH THEIR OWN 
FAMILY MEMBERS BECAUSE OF THE 
VIRUS.
>> HOW ARE YOU OTHERWISE?
GETTING ENOUGH SUPPLIES AND 
FOODS?
>> JUST PUTTING GROCERIES AWAY 
NOW THAT MY SON BOUGHT AND GOT 
FOR ME.
>> MOST OF THE PHONE 
CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD, HAD 
NOTHING TO DO WITH BASEBALL.
THEY REVOLVE AROUND FAMILY.
>> AND CATHERINE TELLS ME YOU 
HAVE BEAT CANCER TWICE.
>> YES.
>> THAT'S REMARKABLE, ANN.
>> I'VE TALKED TO VIETNAM DRAFT 
DODGERS, A WOMAN WHO MADE IT 
THROUGH THE GREAT DEPRESSION, 
KIDS WHO ARE HOSPITALIZED.
>> THANKS FOR THE CALL!
BYE-BYE.
>> I'M COMPLETELY ENRICHED BY 
THIS EXPERIENCE.
>> Adrienne: SO JAMIE SAYS FOR 
THE PAST WEEK HE HAS BEEN 
ACCEPTING INVITATIONS ON SOCIAL 
MEDIA TO CALL UP FANS.
HE'S HAD OVER 2000 REQUESTS.
HE'S MADE 200 CALLS.
WHAT A STRANGE TIME.
WHAT A GREAT CANADIAN.
THAT IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR 
THURSDAY, MARCH 26.
GOOD NIGHT.
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