>> Adrienne: GOOD EVENING, I'M 
ADRIENNE ARSENAULT. 
>> Andrew: AND I'M ANDREW CHANG.
TONIGHT, AN ARMED RIDEAU HALL 
INTRUDER IS UNDER ARREST. 
>> A LOT OF POLICE CARS.
A LOT OF MOUNTIES.
>> Andrew: HE'S A MEMBER OF THE 
CANADIAN MILITARY.
WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT ELSE WE 
KNOW.
>>> THERE'S NOTHING ANYBODY 
WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW. 
>> Adrienne: THREE QUEBEC 
CHILDREN DIE IN A HORRIBLE 
CANADA DAY INCIDENT.
>> Andrew: FROM GETTING YOUR 
HAIR CUT TO GETTING OUT OF TOWN.
THIS SUMMER OF 2020 IS GOING TO 
BE VERY DIFFERENT.
>> Adrienne: AND SPEAKING OF 
WHICH, BASEBALL BLUE JAYS ARE 
FLYING HOME.
>> THEY SHOULD BE MADE TO 
QUARANTINE. 
>> Adrienne: THEIR FIELD IS 
UNDER A DOME, BUT WHAT ABOUT 
THEIR BUBBLE?
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>>> A MAN CAME TO RIDEAU HALL 
THIS MORNING ARMED WITH A GUN, 
HIS PRESENCE ANNOUNCED WITH A 
VIOLENT CRASH.
>> Andrew: THE GATES WERE 
BATTERED OPEN, HIS TRUCK MAKING 
IT INSIDE THE GROUNDS. 
>> Adrienne: POLICE ACTED FAST, 
SECURING THE AREA AS THE BOMB 
SQUAD WENT TO WORK.
A SHORT WALK FROM RESIDENCES OF 
BOTH THE GOVERNOR GENERAL AND 
THE PRIME MINISTER.
SO THEY ARE SAFE.
THE SUSPECT IN CUSTODY.
CATHERINE CULLEN HAS WHAT WE 
KNOW ABOUT HIM AND HOW FAR HE 
GOT INTO WHAT SHOULD BE ONE OF 
CANADA'S MOST PROTECTED SPACES.
>> Reporter: POLICE IN DROVES.
RIDEAU HALL'S WROUGHT IRON GATES
SMASHED BY A TRUCK.
CONCERNED RESIDENTS STOPPED BY 
TO CHECK ON THE COMMOTION.
>> WE STARTED REALIZING THAT 
THIS AIN'T NORMAL, YEAH.
AND A LOT OF POLICE CARS, A LOT 
OF MOUNTIES.
>> Reporter: POLICE SAY IT WAS A
SOLDIER DRIVING.
A SEARCH OF THE VEHICLE REVEALS 
WHAT APPEARS TO BE BOXES OF 
MILITARY RATIONS.
CBC NEWS HAS LEARNED THE MAN 
ARRESTED BY POLICE TODAY IS 
COREY HURREN OF MANITOBA, A 
PERSON WHO ANSWERED THE PHONE AT
THE HURREN HOUSEHOLD CONFIRMED 
HE WAS ARRESTED BUT SAID SHE 
DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK FURTHER.
ONLINE, HE IDENTIFIES HIMSELF AS
A BUSINESS OWNER AND A ROYAL 
CANADIAN ARTILLERY VETERAN WHO 
RECENTLY RE-JOINED THE MILITARY 
AS A CANADIAN RANGER.
POLICE ALSO SAY THE MAN WAS 
ARMED.
A SOURCE TELLING CBC NEWS HE HAD
A LONG GUN AND BROUGHT A NOTE 
WITH HIM.
THOUGH THE PRIME MINISTER AND 
GOVERNOR GENERAL HAVE RESIDENCES
NEARBY, OFFICIALS SAY NEITHER
FAMILY WAS HOME OVERNIGHT.
BUT IT IS REMARKABLE HOW CLOSE 
HE GOT.
ACCORDING TO THE RCMP, THE MAN 
BREACHED THE GATE OF RIDEAU 
HALL, THE GOVERNOR GENERAL'S 
OFFICIAL RESIDENCE, AT 6:30 THIS
MORNING.
POLICE SAY HE THEN TOOK OFF ON 
FOOT, MAKING HIS WAY ALL THE WAY
TO THE GREENHOUSE.
THE PRIME MINISTER'S HOME AT 
RIDEAU COTTAGE IS JUST A FEW 
HUNDRED METRES AWAY, SOMETHING 
ANYONE CAN FIND OUT JUST BY 
LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS.
ONCE HE MADE HIS WAY TO THE 
GREENHOUSE, POLICE SAY HE WAS 
RAPIDLY CONTAINED BY RCMP 
MEMBERS WHO WERE ON PATROL IN 
THE AREA.
WHILE AN RCMP MEMBER BEGAN 
DIALOGUE WITH THE SUSPECT, THE 
RCMP NATIONAL DIVISION EMERGENCY
RESPONSE TEAM WAS ALSO 
DISPATCHED.
THEY ARRIVED SHORTLY AFTER 7, 
THOUGH THE MAN WASN'T 
APPREHENDED UNTIL ABOUT 8:30.
POLICE SAY THAT THE MAN WAS 
TAKEN IN FOR AN INTERVIEW AND 
THAT CHARGES ARE PENDING.
CATHERINE CULLEN, CBC NEWS, 
OTTAWA.
>> Andrew: IN RURAL QUEBEC, A 
TOWN IS IN SHOCK AND AT LEAST 
ONE FAMILY IS GRAPPLING WITH A 
HORRIBLE LOSS.
THREE YOUNG CHILDREN WERE KILLED
YESTERDAY WHEN THEY, ALONG WITH 
OTHERS, WERE RIDING IN THE FRONT
END LOADER OF A TRACTOR.
IT HAPPENED ABOUT 55 KILOMETRES 
OUTSIDE OF MONTREAL IN 
NOTRE-DAME-DE-STANBRIDGE.
SARAH LEAVITT TELLS THE STORY 
FROM THERE.
>> Reporter: LAST NIGHT A FAMILY
GATHERING TURNED TRAGIC.
A MAN LOADED THE FRONT BUCKET OF
HIS TRACTOR WITH WOOD AND THEN 
SIX CHILDREN AND FOUR ADULTS 
ALSO HOPPED ON THE BUCKET.
HERE, NOT FAR FROM THE HOME, THE
MARKINGS ON THE ROAD SHOW WHERE 
IT ALL WENT VERY WRONG.
PROVINCIAL POLICE SAY THE GROUP 
IN THE BUCKET FELL AND THE 
TRACTOR RAN OVER THEM.
NOW THREE CHILDREN, ALL UNDER 
THE AGE OF FIVE, ARE DEAD, AND 
THREE OTHERS ARE SERIOUSLY 
INJURED.
THE DRIVER HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH
CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE CAUSING 
DEATH AND CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE 
CAUSING BODILY HARM.
I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THE FAMILY 
IS DEALING WITH THIS, SAYS 
KARINE TETREAULT BENOIT.
LIKE MANY HERE, SHE IS IN SHOCK.
THE HAMLET IS HOME TO FEWER THAN
A THOUSAND PEOPLE, MANY OF THEM 
FARMERS.
>> I COULD HEAR THE SIRENS GOING
DOWN THE ROAD FROM MY PLACE.
>> Reporter: LUC PERREAULT 
ARRIVED AT THE SCENE SOON AFTER 
THE PARAMEDICS. 
>> JUST SAW THE AMBULANCES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOTHING THAT YOU 
WANT TO GET CLOSE TO.
IF IT HAPPENS IN FRONT OF YOU, 
YOU ACTUALLY GO BECAUSE, YOU 
KNOW, YOU ARE HUMAN AND WE HELP 
EACH OTHER BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S
NOTHING ANYBODY WANTED TO SEE.
>> [ FRENCH ] 
>> Reporter: THIS FORMER FARMER,
NOW TRUCKER, SAYS IT'S OBVIOUS 
THAT RIDING IN A FRONT-END 
LOADER JUST ISN'T SAFE.
DANIEL TÉTREAULT, THE MAYOR OF 
NOTRE-DAME-DE-STANBRIDGE, SAYS 
HE'S MAKING SURE PSYCHOLOGICAL 
HELP IS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE IN 
THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME SOMETHING 
LIKE THIS HAS HAPPENED HERE, HE 
SAYS, AND IT'S NOT EASY.
THE DRIVER WAS RELEASED ON BAIL.
THERE'S A PUBLICATION BAN ON HIS
IDENTITY AND THOSE OF THE 
VICTIMS.
AMONG HIS CONDITIONS, HE CAN'T 
DRIVE A CAR, BUT HE CAN DRIVE A 
TRACTOR, AS LONG AS NO ONE ELSE 
IS WITH HIM.
SARAH LEAVITT, CBC NEWS, 
NOTRE-DAME-DE-STANBRIDGE.
>> Adrienne: SOME OTHER STORIES 
WE'RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT, 
INCLUDING A SHOCKING CAR CRASH 
IN BRAMPTON, ONTARIO.
WE CAN SEE THERE THE MOMENT THE 
CAR SKIDDED OFF THE ROAD, THEN 
CRASHED THROUGH A FENCE AND 
FLIPPED ON TO A RESIDENTIAL 
STREET.
THE 28-YEAR-OLD DRIVER HAS BEEN 
CHARGED WITH DANGEROUS DRIVING, 
BUT HE WALKED AWAY WITH MINOR 
INJURIES AND NO ONE ELSE WAS 
HURT.
>>> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU TODAY IS
THAT THIS IS NOT THE END OF OUR 
STORY.
>> Adrienne: FIRST NATIONS 
LEADERS IN B.C. VOWED TO 
CONTINUE THEIR FIGHT AGAINST THE
TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE 
EXPANSION PROJECT AFTER THE 
SUPREME COURT TODAY DISMISSED 
THEIR APPEAL OF OTTAWA'S 
APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.
>>> AND A CANADIAN MAN WHO WAS 
JAILED IN EGYPT HAS BEEN 
REUNITED WITH HIS FAMILY IN 
ONTARIO.
HE SPENT NEARLY 500 DAYS BEHIND 
BARS AFTER A TWO-MONTH BUSINESS 
TRIP TO THE COUNTRY.
YASSER ALBAZ WAS NEVER FORMALLY 
CHARGED.
GLOBAL AFFAIRS WON'T GIVE OUT 
FURTHER INFORMATION FOR PRIVACY 
REASONS, BUT HIS FAMILY THANKED 
OTTAWA FOR ASSISTING IN HIS 
RELEASE.
>> Andrew: WELL, IT TOOK A 
LITTLE OVER TWO MONTHS FOR THE 
U.S. TO RECORD ITS FIRST 50,000 
CORONAVIRUS CASES.
YESTERDAY IT RECORDED 50,000 NEW
CASES IN A SINGLE DAY.
50,700, IN FACT, THE BIGGEST 
SINGLE-DAY INCREASE IN THAT 
COUNTRY SINCE THE PANDEMIC 
BEGAN.
THE INFECTION RATE IS CLIMBING 
IN 40 STATES, AND AS PAUL HUNTER
TELLS US, THE COMING 4TH OF JULY
WEEKEND COULD CREATE A PERFECT 
STORM.
>> Reporter: IN THE COVID 
INTENSIVE CARE UNIT AT THIS 
HOSPITAL IN TEXAS, URGENCY MIXES
WITH DREAD.
>> WE ARE HAVING AN EXPLOSION OF
COVID.
WE AREN'T OVERRUN YET, BUT IT'S 
OVERWHELMING.
>> Reporter: TEXAS IS ONE OF THE
STATES THAT HAD EASED UP ON 
STEPS TO COMBAT THE VIRUS, BUT 
AS ITS OWN GOVERNOR TODAY 
UNDERLINED . . . 
>> IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, THERE 
HAS BEEN A SWIFT AND A 
SUBSTANTIAL SPIKE IN COVID-19 
CASES.
SO WE NEED TO REFOCUS ON SLOWING
THE SPREAD. 
>> Reporter: SHOWING TEXANS THE 
DATA TO BACK THAT UP, HE'S NOW 
ORDERING ALMOST EVERYONE IN THAT
STATE TO WEAR A MASK AT ALL 
TIMES WHEN IN PUBLIC SPACES.
THIS AS FLORIDA TODAY SAW A 
RECORD NUMBER OF NEW COVID 
INFECTIONS, 10,000.
>> President Donald Trump: THE 
CRISIS IS BEING HANDLED.
>> Reporter: DONALD TRUMP TODAY 
SUGGESTED IT'S ALL IN GOOD 
HANDS.
>> President Donald Trump: SOME 
AREAS THAT WERE VERY HARD HIT 
ARE NOW DOING VERY WELL.
SOME WERE DOING VERY WELL AND WE
THOUGHT THEY MAY BE GONE, AND 
THEY FLARE UP AND WE'RE PUTTING 
OUT THE FIRES.
>> IT'S JUST NOT AN HONEST 
ASSESSMENT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
>> Reporter: RIVAL JOE BIDEN IS 
HAVING NONE OF IT, SLAMMING THE 
PRESIDENT AGAIN FOR FAILING TO 
PROPERLY TAKE ON THE PANDEMIC.
>> LEAD.
LEAD.
OR GET OUT OF THE WAY SO OTHERS 
CAN, MR. PRESIDENT. 
>> Reporter: CRITICS IN PART 
HAVE POINTED TO TRUMP'S 
EFFECTIVE REFUSAL SO FAR TO WEAR
A MASK IN PUBLIC, THEY SAY 
SIGNALLING TO MILLIONS IT'S NOT 
NEEDED, BUT NOW A HINT HIS VIEW 
MAY BE EVOLVING, TELLING FOX 
NEWS LAST NIGHT, WHEN HE PUT ONE
ON, HE LIKED WHAT HE SAW.
>> President Donald Trump: AND I
THOUGHT IT LOOKED OKAY.
IT LOOKED LIKE THE LONE RANGER.
>> Reporter: MEANWHILE, THE 
COUNTRY BRACES FOR BIG CROWDS 
AND THE 4TH OF JULY WITH THE 
FEAR THAT IN CELEBRATING 
AMERICANS WILL NOW SUPER CHARGE 
THE SPREAD.
PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS, 
WASHINGTON.
>> Adrienne: IT'S NOW MANDATORY 
FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT RIDERS IN 
TORONTO TO WEAR A MASK.
ELLEN MAURO LOOKS AT HOW THAT 
WENT ON DAY ONE.
>> Reporter: T.T.C. WORKERS 
STOOD READY TO GIVE AWAY MASKS, 
BUT MOST HERE CAME PREPARED. 
>> IT'S TO PROTECT YOURSELVES 
AND EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND YOU.
>> Reporter: A SENTIMENT ECHOED 
BY TORONTO'S MAYOR.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: AS FACE COVERINGS 
BECAME MANDATORY ON CANADA'S 
LARGEST TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
ONLY CHILDREN UNDER TWO ARE 
EXEMPT, AND THOSE WITH CERTAIN 
MEDICAL CONDITIONS. 
>> IT IS IN THE HANDS OF YOU OUT
THERE TO FOLLOW THE LAW.
YES.
BUT REALLY TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S
THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
>> Reporter: BUT FOR THOSE WHO 
DON'T, THERE WON'T BE ANY FINES.
THE CITY FOCUSING ON EDUCATION 
NOT ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S POSTED MASK-MAKING 
INSTRUCTIONS ONLINE. 
>> I'M HOPEFUL BY THE TIME WE 
GET A FEW DAYS INTO THIS WE WILL
SEE WIDESPREAD COMPLIANCE.
>> Reporter: THESE MEN HAVE BEEN
WEARING MASKS ON THE T.T.C. 
SINCE APRIL. 
>> I'M HAPPY WE'RE ACTUALLY 
TAKING IT SERIOUSLY AND PEOPLE 
ARE HOPEFULLY LISTENING NOW.
>> Reporter: MASKS ARE BECOMING 
EVER MORE UBIQUITOUS IN THE 
FIGHT TO AVOID THE DREADED 
SECOND WAVE.
QUEBEC WILL LAUNCH A SIMILAR 
FACE-COVERINGS-ON-TRANSIT POLICY
LATER THIS MONTH.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY 
PRETTY -- GET PRETTY COMFORTABLE
PUTTING MASKS ON AND ADJUSTING 
OUR DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES.
>> Reporter: BUT REMEMBER, 
THERE'S A LOT MORE TO BEATING 
COVID-19.
>> PHYSICAL DISTANCING, HAND 
HYGIENE AND, OF COURSE, IF 
PEOPLE ARE GOING INTO AN INDOOR 
SETTING, YOU PUT ON A MASK.
>> A MASK, GUYS?
>> NAH, THE MASK IS IN THERE, MY
GLOVEs. 
>> Reporter: GENEVA BARRETT 
CARRIES EXTRA MASKS, AND WHEN 
SHE SEES PEOPLE ON THE T.T.C. 
WITHOUT THEM?
>> IT MAKES ME ANGRY AND I WANT 
TO SAY PUT THE DAMN MASK ON!
>> Reporter: THE MASKS ARE 
MANDATORY NOW ON THE T.T.C., AND
STARTING NEXT WEEK, THEY'LL ALSO
BE REQUIRED IN INDOOR PUBLIC 
SPACES, INCLUDING STORES, EXCEPT
FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNDER TWO 
YEARS OLD, AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE 
CERTAIN MEDICAL CONDITIONS.
THAT RULE WILL TAKE EFFECT 
STARTING TUESDAY.
ELLEN MAURO, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Andrew: WELL, THE TORONTO 
BLUE JAYS WILL BEGIN GETTING 
READY FOR THEIR SEASON IN 
TORONTO.
TODAY THEY FINALLY GOT THE OKAY 
TO TRAVEL AND TRAIN AFTER A 
CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK SHUT DOWN 
THE TEAM'S FACILITIES IN 
FLORIDA.
DEVIN HEROUX HAS THE DETAILS.
>> Reporter: THIS YEAR IT TOOK 
UNTIL SUMMER FOR THE BOYS OF 
SUMMER TO FLY BACK TO TOWN, BUT 
THEY ARE NOW CLEARED FOR TAKEOFF
BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, 
ALLOWED TO BYPASS THE MANDATORY 
14-DAY QUARANTINE.
THEY WILL BE AT THE ROGERS 
CENTRE THIS WEEKEND.
>> I MEAN, I'M EXCITED.
I LIVE RIGHT BESIDE IT, SO 
HOPEFULLY THE DOME'S OPEN, I CAN
SEE IN A LITTLE BIT. 
>> IF THE GOVERNMENT IS MAKING 
THE CITIZENS SUFFERING, WHY NOT 
THEM?
>> THEY SHOULD BE MADE TO 
QUARANTINE.
>> VIRTUALLY QUARANTINE AND YOU 
HAVE TO GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE.
>> I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A 
POSITIVE FOR THE CITY, FOR THE 
BLUE JAYS, OF COURSE, BUT I 
THINK ALSO FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE
CITY.
>> Reporter: THE HOTEL ATTACHED 
TO THE FACILITY WILL BE THE 
PLAYERS' HOME FOR WEEKS, STRICT 
MEASURES INCLUDE NEVER STEPPING 
FOOT OUTSIDE THE VENUE.
>> IT BASICALLY LOOKS LIKE A BIG
HOME WITH A BIG BACKYARD, AND AS
LONG AS THE PLAYERS DON'T LEAVE 
THE HOME OR THE BACKYARD, THERE 
SHOULD BE LITTLE TO NO THREAT TO
THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
>> Reporter: HE SAYS THE PLANS 
LOOK GOOD ON PAPER, BUT IT ALL 
DEPENDS ON PLAYERS ACTUALLY 
STAYING IN THAT BUBBLE.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY 
OBVIOUS IF A PROFESSIONAL 
BASEBALL PLAYER IS HANGING OUT, 
HAVING A BEER AT A BAR DOWN THE 
STREET.
LIKE, THE OPTICS OF THAT WOULD 
BE TERRIBLE.
>> A HIGH FLY BALL.
>> Reporter: THEY HAVE THREE 
WEEKS TO PREPARE FOR OPENING 
DAY, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IF
THIS IS WHERE THEY'LL PLAY THEIR
REGULAR SEASON HOME GAMES.
>> AND HE GOT HIM. 
>> Reporter: SOMETHING THE 
GOVERNMENT HAS YET TO APPROVE.
TEAM PRESIDENT MARK SHAPIRO 
ACKNOWLEDGES THE JAYS AND EVERY 
VISITING TEAM WOULD HAVE TO 
ADHERE TO STRICT QUARANTINE 
MEASURES.
>> WE WILL LOOK TO DO -- TO END 
UP WITH A SIMILAR RESULT, WHERE 
WE PROTECT THE PUBLIC IN EVERY 
WAY POSSIBLE, BUT WE HAVE TO 
DEAL WITH NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, 
OUR TEAM COMING IN AND OUT OF 
THE COUNTRY, BUT THE VISITING 
TEAM AS WELL. 
>> Reporter: A CHALLENGE FOR 
SURE FOR MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL'S
ONLY NON-AMERICAN TEAM PLAYING 
IN WHAT MANY CALL THE DOME SOON 
REALLY ACTING AS ONE.
DEVIN HEROUX, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: NOW ONTARIO STILL 
LEADS THE COUNTRY IN NEW 
COVID-19 CASES.
TORONTO IS TRACKING THE VIRUS AT
THE NEIGHBOURHOOD LEVEL, AND AS 
THOMAS DAIGLE EXPLAINS, IT SHOWS
THE VIRUS IS SPREADING MOST IN 
THE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THE
LEAST.
>> Reporter: LOOK UP FOR A SIGN.
IT'S BECOMING INCREASINGLY CLEAR
LIVING IN CRAMPED QUARTERS IN 
LOWER-INCOME AREAS PUTS PEOPLE 
AT A HIGHER RISK FOR COVID-19.
TORONTO IS THE LATEST CITY TO 
RELEASE SOCIO-DEMOGRAPHIC DATA 
SHOWING THE RATE OF INFECTION IN
THE CITY'S POOREST 
NEIGHBOURHOODS IS THREE TIMES 
HIGHER THAN ITS RICHEST, AND 
AREAS WITH OVERCROWDED HOUSING 
HAVE BEEN HIT UP TO FOUR TIMES 
HARDER.
>> FOR A LONG TIME IN TORONTO 
AND IN OTHER CITIES IN CANADA 
THERE'S BEEN AN UNDER-SUPPLY OF 
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND WE ARE 
NOW REALIZING AN IMMEDIATE HARM 
FROM THAT.
>> Reporter: AND IT'S NOT JUST 
WHERE PEOPLE LIVE BUT WHERE THEY
WORK.
WITH LOW-WAGE EARNERS ON THE 
FRONT LINES, KNOWING IF THEY 
STAY HOME THEIR FAMILIES WILL GO
HUNGRY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY HEAR AT THIS 
COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTRE.
>> IT IS PART OF WHAT WE SEE 
EVERY DAY.
WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO SEE IT 
MORE DURING A PANDEMIC.
>> Reporter: THE DATA INDICATES 
BLACK AND SOUTH ASIAN PEOPLE 
HERE HAVE BEEN HIT ESPECIALLY 
HARD, HENCE CALLS FOR GREATER 
COMMUNITY TESTING, LIKE AT THIS 
CHURCH IN THE JANE AND FINCH 
DISTRICT WHERE ACTIVISTS HAVE 
SEEN CHRONIC POVERTY AND RACISM 
WORSEN HEALTH OUTCOMES FOR 
YEARS.
>> WELL, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY, 
AGAIN, NO SURPRISE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, YOU KNOW,
DIFFERENT INVESTIGATIONS OR 
RESEARCH NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 
>> Reporter: THE QUESTION IS: 
WHAT CAN BE DONE?
SOME WANT MORE PUBLIC HEALTH 
ADVICE IN LANGUAGES OTHER THAN 
ENGLISH, BUT ALSO A WIDER SHIFT 
TO A SO-CALLED LIVING WAGE AND 
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
>> WE KNOW THAT WHEN THE 
INEQUITIES ARE SMALLER, WHEN 
THEY ARE REDUCED, THAT ACTUALLY 
THE ENTIRE SOCIETY BENEFITS.
>> Reporter: AT A LOCAL LEVEL, 
THE NEEDS ARE NOT NEW, BUT A 
PANDEMIC ON A GLOBAL SCALE HAS 
MADE THE URGENCY EVEN CLEARER.
THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS, 
TORONTO.
>> Andrew: THERE IS GROWING 
CONCERN IN SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO 
OVER THE DECISION BY LOCAL 
HEALTH AUTHORITIES TO 
EFFECTIVELY SHUT DOWN A FARM 
AMID A CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK.
>> Premier Doug Ford: DO YOU 
THINK THAT ENCOURAGES OTHER 
FARMERS TO COOPERATE WHEN ALL OF
A SUDDEN ONE OF THEIR FRIENDS 
GET THEIR FARM SHUT DOWN LIKE 
THAT?
MY EMPHASIS TO THE WORKERS, 
NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
ONTARIO IS HERE TO HELP YOU.
>> Andrew: NATURE FRESH FARMS 
HAD NEARLY 200 POSITIVE CASES OF
COVID-19 OVER THE WEEKEND.
ALL EMPLOYEES ARE BEING TOLD TO 
STOP WORKING AND ISOLATE UNTIL 
FURTHER NOTICE.
>>> NUNAVUT HAS REPORTED ITS 
FIRST PRESUMPTIVE CASE OF 
COVID-19.
A WORKER AT A REMOTE MINE 
NORTHEAST OF IQALUIT TESTED 
POSITIVE AFTER ARRIVING FROM 
OUTSIDE THE TERRITORY.
HE'S NOW IN ISOLATION AND 
WAITING FOR CONFIRMATION OF THE 
RESULT EXPECTED TO ARRIVE FROM 
AN ONTARIO LAB NEXT WEEK.
>>> FEELING GREAT.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE TRAFFIC FOR 
THE FIRST TIME SINCE MID MARCH, 
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> Andrew: DEFINITELY A SENSE OF
ANTICIPATION IN ATLANTIC 
COMMUNITIES, EAGER FOR THE 
OPENING OF A FOUR-PROVINCE 
BUBBLE.
IT WILL MEAN PEOPLE CAN MOVE 
WITHIN THAT PART OF THE COUNTRY,
THOUGH OFFICIALS ARE REMINDING 
TRAVELLERS THAT THIS DOESN'T 
MEAN FREE-FLOWING TRAVEL QUITE 
YET.
THE RULES DO VARY SLIGHTLY FOR 
EACH PROVINCE, BUT ALL WILL 
REQUIRE PROOF OF ATLANTIC 
RESIDENCY BEFORE ENTERING. 
>> Adrienne: THE WOMAN ACCUSED 
OF HELPING RECRUIT AND GROOM 
UNDERAGE GIRLS TO BE SEXUALLY 
ABUSED BY JEFFREY EPSTEIN IS NOW
UNDER ARREST AND FACING SIX 
CRIMINAL CHARGES IN THE U.S. 
GHISLAINE MAXWELL WAS A CLOSE 
ASSOCIATE OF EPSTEIN, THE FORMER
FINANCIER ALREADY A CONVICTED 
SEX OFFENDER WAS FOUND DEAD IN 
HIS PRISON CELL LAST SUMMER 
AWAITING TRIAL ON MORE SEX 
TRAFFICKING CHARGES.
STEVEN D'SOUZA WITH WHY SOME SAY
TODAY'S ARREST COULD BE FOLLOWED
BY OTHERS. 
>> Reporter: FOR ALL THE YEARS 
CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER JEFFREY 
EPSTEIN WAS ACCUSED OF PREYING 
ON YOUNG GIRLS, GHISLAINE 
MAXWELL WAS AT HIS SIDE, A 
LOVER, BUSINESS MANAGER, AND 
WAS, ACCORDING TO PROSECUTORS, A
CENTRAL FIGURE IN WHAT HE DID.
>> MAXWELL PLAYED A CRITICAL 
ROLE IN HELPING EPSTEIN TO 
IDENTIFY, BEFRIEND AND GROOM 
MINOR VICTIMS FOR ABUSE.
>> Reporter: PROSECUTORS ALLEGE 
MAXWELL WOULD TAKE THEM TO THE 
MOVIES OR SHOPPING.
ONE GIRL WAS ONLY 14 YEARS OLD.
>> SHE BEFRIENDED THE INNOCENT, 
ATTEMPTED TO NORMALIZE SEXUAL 
ABUSE AND WORKED TO PUT VICTIMS 
AT EASE, AWARE THE ENTIRE TIME 
OF THE ABUSE THAT WOULD FOLLOW. 
>> Reporter: PROSECUTORS SAY 
MAXWELL EVEN TOOK PART IN THE 
ABUSE.
SHE WAS ARRESTED AT A SPRAWLING 
ESTATE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE WHERE 
THE F.B.I. SAYS SHE WAS IN 
HIDING. 
>> IF EPSTEIN WAS THE CEO OF 
THIS SEX RING, THE SOUTHERN 
DISTRICT IS ALLEGING THAT 
MAXWELL WAS THE CHIEF OPERATING 
OFFICER.
>> Reporter: WHILE EPSTEIN IS 
DEAD, INVESTIGATORS HAVE BOXES 
OF EVIDENCE SEIZED FROM HIS 
PROPERTIES.
LEGAL EXPERTS SAY MAXWELL IS THE
KEY TO UNRAVELING EPSTEIN'S 
NETWORK OF THE WEALTHY AND 
POWERFUL TO FIGURE OUT WHO ELSE 
MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN 
ABUSING MINORS.
>> I BELIEVE SHE'S A PIECE IN 
THIS PUZZLE, A VERY BIG PIECE OF
THIS PUZZLE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT
OF OTHER BIG FISH I THINK THAT 
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS
GOING TO BE TAKING DOWN.
>> Reporter: AMONG THE FAMOUS 
NAMES LINKED TO EPSTEIN, 
PROSECUTORS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO 
INTERVIEW PRINCE ANDREW FOR 
MONTHS AFTER A WOMAN ACCUSED HIM
OF SEXUAL ASSAULT.
>> WE WOULD WELCOME PRINCE 
ANDREW COMING IN TO TALK WITH 
US.
>> Reporter: IN A STATEMENT 
TODAY, ONE OF EPSTEIN'S ALLEGED 
VICTIMS SAID SHE AND OTHERS ARE 
RELIEVED, AND THAT THE ARREST 
BRINGS SOME JUSTICE FOR 
SURVIVORS.
STEVEN D'SOUZA, CBC NEWS, NEW 
YORK.
>> Andrew: SHOULD POLICE 
OFFICERS BE CALLED TO HELP 
SOMEONE IN A MENTAL HEALTH 
CRISIS?
>> I JUST THINK IT'S A WHOLE 
DIFFERENT TONE WHEN THE POLICE 
ANSWER, AND IT CAN REALLY 
FRIGHTEN PEOPLE.
>> Andrew: UP NEXT, WHAT IT'S 
LIKE RESPONDING TO A MENTAL 
HEALTH CALL, AND HOW IT COULD BE
DIFFERENT.
>> Adrienne: PLUS, WE'RE NEARLY 
FOUR MONTHS INTO THE PANDEMIC.
THE COUNTRY DEALING WITH AN 
ECONOMIC CRISIS STACKED ON A 
PUBLIC HEALTH ONE.
"AT ISSUE" CHECKS IN ON HOW THE 
GOVERNMENT HAS HANDLED IT ALL.
>> Andrew: PLUS, BOOKING A HAIR 
APPOINTMENT SOON?
CERTAINLY NOT ALONE. 
>> I'VE HAD A WAITING LIST THAT 
IS A MILE LONG.
>> Andrew: WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT 
TO EXPECT FROM A TRIM IN THE 
TIME OF COVID.
WE'RE BACK IN TWO.
>> Andrew: THERE ARE CALLS 
TONIGHT TO OVERHAUL HOW MENTAL 
HEALTH CRISES ARE HANDLED IN 
THIS COUNTRY.
IN RECENT WEEKS WE'VE SEEN 
SEVERAL POLICE WELLNESS CHECKS 
END IN VIOLENCE, EVEN DEATH.
NOW SOME SAY HEALTH
PROFESSIONALS SHOULD LEAD THOSE 
CASES, NOT POLICE.
HERE'S VIK ADHOPIA. 
>> Reporter: LIVING WITH BIPOLAR
DISORDER HAS LED BILL PRINGLE TO
DARK PLACES.
HE'S ATTEMPTED SUICIDE EIGHT 
TIMES, ONCE POLICE HANDCUFFED 
HIM.
>> ESSENTIALLY THEY ACCUSED ME 
OF ATTENTION SEEKING AND WOULD 
NOT CALL AN AMBULANCE FOR ME.
>> Reporter: OTHER TIMES HE GOT 
THE HELP HE NEEDED.
BUT RECENT POLICE RESPONSES TO 
MENTAL DISTRESS CALLS HAVE NOT 
ALWAYS WORKED OUT THAT WAY.
LIKE THE CASE OF THIS B.C. WOMAN
DRAGGED ACROSS THE FLOOR, AND 
THIS INCIDENT NEAR TORONTO, 
WHICH ENDED WITH A MAN DEAD.
>> JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE THE 
POLICE ARE COMING IN TO 
QUESTION, AND MENTAL HEALTH 
CASES ARE AMONGST THE MOST 
DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH AT THE 
BEST OF TIMES.
>> Reporter: THIS MENTAL HEALTH 
CRISIS TEAM IN HAMILTON IS OFTEN
THE FIRST ON THE SCENE FOR THOSE
DIFFICULT CASES, A THERAPIST 
PAIRED WITH A SPECIALLY TRAINED 
OFFICER.
SINCE STARTING FIVE YEARS AGO, 
MENTAL HEALTH APPREHENSIONS HAVE
DROPPED. 
>> WE CAN'T EXPECT OFFICERS TO 
DO A FULL PSYCHIATRIC 
ASSESSMENT, AND THAT'S REALLY 
WHAT PART OF MY JOB IS TO DO, IS
TO DO THAT ASSESSMENT. 
>> Reporter: INTEGRATED MENTAL 
HEALTH UNITS ARE NOT NEW.
MOST CANADIAN CITIES NOW HAVE 
THEM.
BUT THEY ARE NOT ALL AVAILABLE 
AROUND THE CLOCK, AND SOMETIMES 
THEY ARE BROUGHT IN TOO LATE, 
AND IT'S OFTEN POLICE WHO ARE 
STILL IN CHARGE.
THAT'S PROMPTED CALLS FOR 
CHANGE.
>> I'VE TAKEN KNIVES AWAY FROM 
PEOPLE IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM. 
>> Reporter: THIS VETERAN MENTAL
HEALTH NURSE USED TO WORK IN A 
TEAM WITH TORONTO POLICE.
SHE SAYS MENTAL HEALTH WORKERS 
CAN AND SHOULD TAKE ON MORE 
RESPONSIBILITY DURING CALLS.
>> I JUST THINK IT'S A WHOLE 
DIFFERENT TONE WHEN THE POLICE 
ANSWER, AND IT CAN REALLY 
FRIGHTEN PEOPLE, AND I THINK 
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THEM AS 
BACKUP, ABSOLUTELY, BUT A MORE 
PROMINENT ROLE FOR THE MENTAL 
HEALTH EXPERT.
[SIRENS]
>> Reporter: THAT'S WHAT SWEDEN 
HAS DONE WITH ITS MENTAL HEALTH 
AMBULANCE, STAFFED BY NURSES AND
PARAMEDICS, A RESPONSE TO A 
SUICIDE RATE HIGHER THAN 
CANADA'S.
HALF THE TIME POLICE AREN'T EVEN
INVOLVED.
THIS LEGAL SCHOLAR HAS LONG 
CALLED FOR A REDESIGN OF MENTAL 
HEALTH CRISIS CARE, ONE THAT 
GIVES PATIENTS A VOICE. 
>> THEY SHOULD BE THE DESIGNERS 
OF A COMPREHENSIVE RANGE OF 
SERVICES AND SUPPORTS, AND 
INVOLVE OTHERS IN MENTAL HEALTH 
PROFESSIONALS, LEGAL 
PROFESSIONALS AND POLICE SERVICE
PROVIDERS AT THE END RATHER THAN
AT THE BEGINNING.
>> Reporter: IT'S A TALL ORDER 
THAT DEMANDS THE COMMITMENT OF 
MORE THAN JUST POLICE.
VIK ADHOPIA, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Andrew: WELL, STILL AHEAD ON 
"THE NATIONAL," CANADIANS ARE 
REDISCOVERING THE STAYCATION 
THIS SUMMER. 
>> THANK YOU FOR CALLING CLEAR 
LAKE.
HOW CAN I HELP YOU?
>> Andrew: WE'LL SHOW YOU THE 
TOURISM BUSINESSES THAT ARE 
GETTING BACK TO WORK.
>> Adrienne: BUT BEFORE THEY 
WENT ON THEIR SUMMER BREAK, 
ROSIE AND THE "AT ISSUE" CREW 
SAT DOWN TO RATE THE 
GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSE TO THE 
PANDEMIC.
CHA
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>> Rosemary: IN AN UNPRECEDENTED
MOMENT IN CANADIAN POLITICS, 
MANAGING A GLOBAL PANDEMIC.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
GO HOME AND STAY HOME.
>> Rosemary: AND AN ECONOMIC 
CRISIS.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: IT IS
AN ECONOMIC IMPACT, THE LIKES OF
WHICH HASN'T BEEN SEEN IN OVER 
70 YEARS ON CANADIANS FROM COAST
TO COAST TO COAST.
>> Rosemary: ALMOST FOUR MONTHS 
IN AND OTTAWA HAS UNVEILED 
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN AID, SENT
THE MILITARY INTO LONG-TERM CARE
HOMES IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC, AND
KEPT THE BORDER WITH THE U.S. 
CLOSED.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ADAPTING 
TO A NEW POLITICAL REALITY AS 
CANADIANS FACE THEIR OWN NEW 
NORMAL.
>> Rosemary: SO HOW HAS OTTAWA 
HANDLED THE CRISIS SO FAR AND 
WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL LESSONS 
ALL GOVERNMENTS CAN LEARN?
TIME FOR A CHECK-IN WITH THE "AT
ISSUE" PANEL.
CHANTAL HEBERT, ANDREW COYNE AND
ALTHIA RAJ.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S HARD AT THIS 
STAGE STILL TO DO A LOOK BACK, 
BUT I DO WANT TO TRY AND ASSESS 
HOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS RESPONDED
TO SOME REALLY UNPRECEDENTED 
TIMES, AND I THINK WE WOULD ALL 
AGREE IT'S KIND OF INCREDIBLE 
THAT ALL OF THIS HAS HAPPENED IN
SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO LET'S START WITH HOW THEY 
RESPONDED TO SORT OF THE PUBLIC 
HEALTH PORTION OF THIS, WITHOUT 
YOU GETTING INTO HEALTH POLICY, 
BUT THE REALIZATION FROM PUBLIC 
HEALTH OFFICIALS AND THEN THE 
GOVERNMENT'S EXECUTION OF THE 
FACT THAT CERTAIN THINGS HAD TO 
HAPPEN.
THE BORDER HAD TO CLOSE.
PEOPLE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO 
STOP MOVING AROUND.
THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO STAY 
HOME AND WORK FROM HOME.
HOW WOULD YOU EVALUATE -- MAYBE 
I'LL START WITH YOU, ANDREW.
HOW WOULD YOU EVALUATE HOW THE 
GOVERNMENT RESPONDED TO HAVING 
TO DO THAT, HAVING TO FORCE THE 
POPULATION BACK INTO THEIR 
HOMES, ESSENTIALLY?
>> I SUPPOSE YOU HAVE TO DECIDE 
WHAT YOUR CRITERION IS.
I SUPPOSE IF YOU COMPARE IT TO 
OTHER COUNTRIES, FOR STARTERS, 
NOT PARTICULARLY WELL.
MIDDLE OF THE PACK.
BETTER THAN SOME, A LOT WORSE 
THAN SOME OTHERS.
EASY TO SAY IN HINDSIGHT, BUT 
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THEY WERE 
WARNED REPEATEDLY BEFOREHAND, AS
WERE THE PREDECESSOR GOVERNMENT,
SO THERE WAS A FAILURE TO PLAN 
ADEQUATELY FOR IT.
WHEN IT DID HIT, THERE WAS AT 
BEST MIXED MESSAGING AND AT 
WORST COMPLACENCY IN TERMS OF 
SOME OF THE MESSAGING THAT WAS 
PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC IN THE 
FIRST WEEKS OF THE ISSUE WHERE 
THEY WERE TOLD THE RISK LEVEL 
WAS LOW, WHEN THEY WERE SLOW TO 
BRING IN THE CONTROLS ON THE 
BORDERS, WHEN THEY WERE SLOW TO 
GET THEIR STORY STRAIGHT ON 
MASKS, ET CETERA.
SO IN FAIRNESS, YOU KNOW, LOTS 
OF OTHER COUNTRIES MADE THE SAME
MISTAKES, HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS.
THEY ARE NOT UNIQUE IN THAT.
BUT IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT SOME 
OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES' 
PERFORMANCE, AUSTRALIA, NEW 
ZEALAND, TAIWAN, THEY DID 
SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN WE 
DID.
>> Rosemary: I GUESS ONE OF THE 
QUESTIONS YOU COULD ASK HERE, 
CHANTAL, IS WHAT KIND OF LEEWAY 
DO YOU GIVE A GOVERNMENT IN
MAKING THOSE DECISIONS WHEN IT'S
SOMETHING THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED,
THAT NO ONE HAS EXPERIENCED?
>> AND THE FACT IS THAT 
GOVERNMENTS DO TEND TO FALL BACK
ON PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY
LOOK FOR THAT BOOK THAT TELLS 
YOU WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, 
IT DIDN'T EXIST THERE.
THEY ARE BASICALLY WRITING IT AS
THEY GO ALONG.
TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE 
POLITICS OR THE POLITICAL 
MINDSET AROUND THIS, REMEMBER 
THAT WE WENT FROM A PLANE THAT 
HAD DOZENS, HUNDREDS OF CANADIAN
PASSENGERS BEING DOWNED BY A 
MISSILE TO RAILROAD BLOCKADES TO
THIS.
OVER A VERY SHORT PERIOD IN THE 
LIFE OF A MINORITY GOVERNMENT 
THAT GOT RE-ELECTED LAST FALL.
NOW ON THE DAY THAT THE WORLD 
HEALTH ORGANIZATION FINALLY 
DECLARED THE PANDEMIC, THE 
OPPOSITION, THE OFFICIAL 
OPPOSITION, THE CONSERVATIVE 
OPPOSITION, WAS BUSY PURSUING 
SNC-LAVALIN, AND SO IT'S NOT AS 
IF THE GOVERNMENT WAS GETTING 
ANY PRESSURE FROM THE OPPOSITION
PARTIES WHO WERE SAYING, GEE, 
GUYS, YOU'RE ASLEEP AT THE 
SWITCH.
BEYOND THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT 
YOU DO WHEN YOU ARE SUDDENLY 
FACED WITH THE KINDS OF 
DECISIONS THAT HAD TO BE TAKEN, 
AND I WOULD SAY OVERALL THAT THE
ONLY WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT THE 
GOVERNMENT DID, WHICH WAS BY NO 
MEANS PERFECT OR EVEN GREAT, WAS
THE BEST THEY THOUGHT THEY 
COULD.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, I MEAN, I 
THINK THE GOVERNMENT WOULD EVEN 
AGREE WITH THAT, ALTHIA, THAT 
THEIR RESPONSE WAS NOT PERFECT, 
THAT THEY WERE THROWING STUFF AT
THE WALL TO SEE WHAT WOULD 
STICK.
>> YEAH, I WOULD SAY THERE'S 
KIND OF LIKE TWO DIFFERENT 
PHASES TO THE INITIAL RESPONSE.
I THINK THAT THEY WERE ILL 
PREPARED, AND BY "THEY" I DON'T 
JUST MEAN THE PEOPLE AROUND THE 
PRIME MINISTER.
I MEAN THE BUREAUCRACY WAS ILL 
PREPARED.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT DR. TAM'S 
TESTIMONY IN JANUARY AT THE 
HEALTH COMMITTEE, I THINK IT 
WAS, SHE BASICALLY TELLS A 
QUESTIONER, INCLUDING LIBERAL 
M.P.s, THAT THERE'S NO NEED TO 
CLOSE THE BORDER AND NO NEED FOR
QUARANTINE AND THAT'S NOT THE 
WAY EPIDEMICS WORK, AND 
BASICALLY SUGGESTING THAT THEY 
DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING 
ABOUT.
AND I DO THINK THAT THE 
GOVERNMENT THOUGHT THAT IT WAS 
OVER-REACTING, WHICH -- WHEN IT 
URGED FOR PARLIAMENT TO SHUT 
DOWN AND WITH THE WORLD HEALTH 
ORGANIZATION CAME AND SAID THIS 
IS A GLOBAL PANDEMIC, WHEREAS IN
FACT THE W.H.O. WAS SEVERAL 
WEEKS LATE IN DECLARING THAT 
THERE WAS A PANDEMIC.
AND SO I THINK OFFICIALS ALONG 
THE WAY, BUT THE INFORMATION BY 
WHICH THEY WERE MAKING DECISIONS
WAS FAULTY.
NOW WHEN THEY STARTED RESPONDING
TO THE CRISIS IN TERMS OF 
CALMING THE POPULATION, 
ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO STAY HOME,
TO SOCIAL DISTANCE, WORKING WITH
THE OPPOSITION PARTIES TO COME 
UP WITH FISCAL PLANS TO GIVE 
PEOPLE DIRECT SUPPORT TO STAY 
HOME, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT PART
WAS A LOT BETTER.
THE PRIME MINISTER IS A DECENT 
COMMUNICATOR, OUTSIDE OF HIS 
HOME STILL NEARLY DAILY, THAT 
WAS VERY GOOD.
>> Rosemary: I WILL SAY WHEN I 
TALKED TO DR. TAM ABOUT THAT 
ISSUE OF CLOSING THE BORDER, THE
ANSWER WAS SO INTERESTING TO ME,
AND THE ANSWER WAS THAT NO ONE 
CONTEMPLATED THAT THIS WAS EVEN 
EVER AN OPTION, AND SO THAT 
CERTAINLY SHOWS THAT WE WERE 
DEALING WITH UNPRECEDENTED 
TIMES.
LET'S JUST TURN TO THE ECONOMIC 
RESPONSE, IF WE CAN.
JUST BECAUSE THAT, TOO, HAS BEEN
UNPRECEDENTED.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO KNOW 
HOW WE'RE NOW GOING TO GET OUT 
OF THESE THINGS AND SCALE THEM 
BACK, BUT, ANDREW, IN TERMS OF 
WHAT THEY DID TO SUPPORT 
BUSINESSES, THE ECONOMY, 
CANADIANS, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF 
THAT?
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY VERY 
QUICKLY, IT WASN'T ENTIRELY 
UNPRECEDENTED.
WE DID HAVE THE SARS DRY RUN, 
AND WE WERE WARNED THAT THERE 
WERE GOING TO BE FURTHER 
PANDEMICS TO COME.
I THINK THEY DID THE BEST THEY 
COULD THERE.
EVERYONE I THINK SHOULD CUT THEM
SOME SLACK ON THAT.
THEY HAD TO COME UP WITH 
PROGRAMS ON THE FLY ON A MASSIVE
SCALE HAVING SHUT DOWN THE 
ECONOMY.
THAT CERTAINLY IS UNPRECEDENTED 
IN, YOU KNOW, LIVING MEMORY, 
CERTAINLY.
THE NOTION THAT -- TO GET THE 
MONEY OUT THE DOOR TO 
INDIVIDUALS AND TO BUSINESSES, 
THERE WERE DESIGN FLAWS, AS WE 
SAW, WITH THE CERB IN TERMS OF 
THE WORK INCENTIVES, IN TERMS OF
THE OPENNESS TO FRAUD, AND WE 
HAVE SEEN THAT THE WAGE SUBSIDY 
PROGRAM IS REALLY NOT BEEN TAKEN
UP IN THE WAY THAT THE 
GOVERNMENT MIGHT HAVE LIKED.
BUSINESS SAID BECAUSE THEY WERE 
SO SLOW ROLLING IT OUT.
THOSE ARE MORE IN THE NATURE OF 
THE KIND OF ERRORS OR OMISSIONS 
THAT ARE GOING TO BE FORGIVABLE 
AND UNDERSTANDABLE IN THE 
CONTEXT THEY WERE IN, THEY HAD 
TO DESIGN THIS AND IMPLEMENT IT 
ON THE FLY.
>> Rosemary: CHANTAL?
>> I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS 
FOR THE PHASING OUT LOOKS SO 
DIFFICULT IS IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW 
MUCH POLITICAL CIVIL SERVICE 
ENERGY YOU SHOULD PUT ON PHASING
OUT WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
FALL WILL BE LIKE.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, TRUE, FOR 
SURE.
>> AND YES, I DON'T THINK THAT 
WE CAN GO FOR ANOTHER ENTIRE 
SHUTDOWN IN THE WAY THAT WE HAVE
SEEN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN 
SUSTAIN IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR 
FORM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT
LIFE IS GOING BACK TO NORMAL ANY
TIME SOON.
SO THAT KIND OF MAKES IT 
DIFFICULT TO GO THROUGH THE 
PROCESS OF SHUTTING DOWN 
PROGRAMS WHEN YOU DON'T REALLY 
KNOW WHETHER IT'S TOO EARLY.
AND EVERY DECISION AT THIS POINT
IS BASED ON WHETHER IT'S TOO 
EARLY.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, LAST WORD ON 
THIS TO YOU, ALTHIA. 
>> I THINK THERE ARE STILL GOING
TO BE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING 
TO BE ASKED AND THAT DESERVE TO 
BE ASKED.
FINANCE MINISTER BILL MORNEAU 
HAS YET TO PROVIDE A GOOD ANSWER
AS TO WHY THE GOVERNMENT'S FIRST
RESPONSE WAS NOT TO SEND BLANKET
CERB CHEQUES TO EVERYBODY AND TO
CLAW THEM BACK ON INCOME TAX.
YOU HEARD THAT BEING CALLED FOR 
ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT 
SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.
AND WHILE THEY DID TRY TO, AS 
THEY ARGUED, HELP THE MOST 
PEOPLE WITH THE MOST MONEY, 
THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE THAT HAVE
FALLEN THROUGH THE CRACKS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WERE 
UNABLE TO GET FINANCIAL HELP 
WHEN THEY NEEDED IT, WHO WILL 
HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS AND LOST 
THEIR BUSINESSES, AND I DON'T 
THINK THAT WE HAVE AN ADEQUATE 
PICTURE OF THE DAMAGE YET THAT 
HAS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST FEW 
MONTHS.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, WE'RE GOING 
TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK, IF WE 
CAN.
"AT ISSUE" WILL BE BACK FOR 
ANOTHER ROUND AFTER THE BREAK, 
AND THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO TRY
AND LOOK EVEN A LITTLE FURTHER 
AHEAD THAN WE DID THERE.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WE 
RECOGNIZE THAT IF THERE IS A 
SECOND WAVE, IF CANADIANS FALL 
ON HARD TIMES BECAUSE OF 
COVID-19 IN THE COMING MONTHS, 
WE WILL NEED TO DO MORE.
>> Rosemary: SO WHAT MORE COULD 
THAT BE?
THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC 
CHALLENGES STILL TO COME.
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>> Prime Minister Trudeau: IF 
THIS PANDEMIC HAS BEEN AN 
UNPRECEDENTED CHALLENGE FOR OUR 
COUNTRY, IT HAS ALSO BEEN AN 
IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE 
OUT WHAT REALLY MATTERS IN OUR 
COMMUNITIES, TO HAVE MEANINGFUL 
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE CAN 
TAKE CARE OF THOSE AROUND US, 
AND PERHAPS, ABOVE ALL, TO THINK
ABOUT WHAT KIND OF FUTURE WE 
WANT TO BUILD TOGETHER.
>> Rosemary: PRIME MINISTER HAS 
CONTINUED TO FACE QUESTIONS 
ABOUT WHAT THE UPCOMING MONTHS 
WILL LOOK LIKE, BUT HOW DOES THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PLAN FOR SUCH
AN UNCERTAIN TIME?
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BIG 
POLITICAL CHALLENGES THAT LIE 
AHEAD?
CHANTAL HEBERT, ANDREW COYNE AND
ALTHIA RAJ JOIN ME NOW FOR 
ANOTHER ROUND HERE.
OBVIOUSLY, AS WE SAID EARLIER, 
WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING 
TO BE A SECOND WAVE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF 
RESPONSE THAT'S GOING TO 
REQUIRE, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK 
IS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THAT 
HAS EMERGED FROM THIS, BECAUSE 
CERTAINLY WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE
SOME BIG ONES.
THEY'VE REVEALED WEAKNESSES AND 
BROKEN DOWN SYSTEMS AND THINGS 
THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE 
FIXED, EVEN AFTER THIS IS ALL 
OVER.
CHANTAL, WHY DON'T YOU START?
>> TAKE HEALTH CARE AND 
LONG-TERM CARE BEING IDENTIFIED 
AS A MAJOR FLAW.
YOU CAN ALREADY SEE A TUG-OF-WAR
COMING BETWEEN THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT AND THE PROVINCES 
OVER HOW YOU IMPROVE THE SYSTEM 
AND WHAT ROLE THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE IN 
SETTING STANDARDS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A MONEY TALK,
AND A MONEY TALK AT A TIME WHEN 
NO GOVERNMENT, ESPECIALLY NOT IN
THE PROVINCE, HAS A LOT OF MONEY
TO SPARE.
SO EXPECT THOSE DISCUSSIONS 
ABOUT WHO'S PAYING FOR WHAT AND 
FISCAL FEDERALISM TO HEAT UP.
NEXT QUESTION, THIS GOVERNMENT 
WAS ELECTED BY MAKING SERIOUS 
PROMISES, YOU COULD SAY AGAIN, 
ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND MEETING 
THOSE TARGETS.
DO VOTERS STILL FEEL THAT IS A 
PRIORITY?
WILL THE GOVERNMENT STILL FEEL 
THAT IT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY?
OR WILL WE GO BACK TO THE 2008 
SCENARIO OR AFTER IN TOUGH 
ECONOMIC TIMES THE ENVIRONMENT 
FALLS BY THE WAYSIDE?
THERE ARE HOSTS OF QUESTIONS AND
CONSEQUENCES ON THE GOVERNMENT 
AGENDA THAT GO BEYOND BALANCING 
THE BOOKS AND GETTING US BACK TO
SOME FISCAL SITUATION THAT IS 
BETTER THAN THE ONE WE ARE IN 
TODAY.
>> Rosemary: FOR SURE.
ALTHIA, SAME QUESTION TO YOU.
>> I THINK LONG-TERM CARE IS 
ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE AN ISSUE 
THAT THE FEDERAL AND PROVINCIAL 
GOVERNMENTS ARE GOING TO BE 
SQUABBLING OVER.
AND TO CHANTAL'S POINT, THE 
MONEY TALKS.
THE OTHER ONE, PAID SICK LEAVE.
A LOT OF WORKERS IN THIS 
COUNTRY, MORE THAN HALF OF 
EMPLOYEES ACCORDING TO 
STATISTICS CANADA, DON'T HAVE 
PAID SICK LEAVE.
MORE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE PAID 
VACATIONS THAN THEY HAVE PAID 
SICK LEAVE, AND THAT IS ALSO A 
DISCUSSION THAT ACTUALLY MANY 
PROVINCES DON'T WANT TO HAVE.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT JUSTIN
TRUDEAU'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO 
FORCE ON THE AGENDA?
ACTUALLY, ON THE CLIMATE THING, 
I -- YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT IS
SO SQUARELY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF 
THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM AND 
TRYING TO EAT THE N.D.P.'S LUNCH
THAT I THINK IT ALMOST NOW HAS 
THE POLITICAL WILL TO DO THINGS 
THAT PERHAPS IT DIDN'T AT THE 
BEGINNING OF THIS MANDATE.
PHARMACARE, TOUGHER STANCE ON 
THE ENVIRONMENT, MOVING IN AREAS
OF PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION WHERE
IT FEELS LIKE THE PUBLIC IS 
BEHIND THEM, EVEN IF THE 
PROVINCES MAY NOT BE.
>> Rosemary: ANDREW, SAME TO 
YOU.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE BIGGEST
CHALLENGE TO COME OUT OF ALL OF 
THIS?
I KNOW THERE ARE MANY, BUT ONE 
OR TWO.
>> WELL, I AGREE THERE'S A 
NUMBER OF CHALLENGES THAT HAVE 
BEEN ALREADY TALKED ABOUT BEYOND
PUBLIC FINANCES, BUT IF WE DON'T
HAVE A SOUND SYSTEM OF PUBLIC 
FINANCES AND BEYOND THAT A 
FUNCTIONING ECONOMY, A 
FUNCTIONING CURRENCY, THEN WE'RE
NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANY 
OF THEM.
AND WE ARE IN DIRE STRAITS NOW 
FISCALLY.
WE WERE ALREADY IN TROUBLE 
BEFORE THIS BECAUSE OF THE AGING
POPULATION, PARTICULARLY THE 
IMPLICATIONS FOR THE PROVINCES.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A DEFICIT 
OF $300 BILLION OR SO THIS YEAR,
PROBABLY 100 BILLION A YEAR OR 
TWO AFTER THAT.
THIS IS EXTRAORDINARY 
IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR FUTURE AS A
COUNTRY, AND PARTICULARLY SINCE 
SO MUCH HAS BASICALLY BEEN 
BOUGHT BY THE BANK OF CANADA.
SO THERE HAS TO, AT SOME POINT, 
BE ROLLED OUT A PLAN WHERE 
BUSINESSES AND INVESTORS AND 
EVERYBODY ELSE CAN LOOK AT THAT 
AND SAY, OKAY, THERE'S A PLAN 
NOW TO GET BACK TO SOMETHING 
APPROACHING FISCAL SANITY.
THERE'S A PLAN TO START TO DRAW 
BACK SOME OF THOSE BANK OF 
CANADA PURCHASES SO WE DON'T GET
AN INFLATIONARY BLOW OFF OUT OF 
THESE.
IF THAT SOUNDS DRY OR, YOU KNOW,
GREEN EYE SHADE TYPE OF TALK, IF
WE DON'T DO THAT, WE WON'T BE 
ABLE TO AFFORD ANY OF THE OTHER 
STUFF TO DO WITH HEALTH CARE OR 
CLIMATE CHANGE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
>> Rosemary: WE LIKE DRY 
SOMETIMES FROM YOU, ANDREW.
THAT'S GOOD.
OKAY, I GOT TO LEAVE IT THERE.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR 
THAT.
APPRECIATE IT.
BEFORE WE GO, MAKE SURE YOU 
SUBSCRIBE TO "AT ISSUE" THE 
PODCAST.
IN CASE YOU LIKE TO HEAR US MORE
THAN LOOK AT US.
LOOK FOR IT ON ANY MAJOR PODCAST
APP AND OUR WEBSITE.
cbcnews.ca/THENATIONAL.
FOR NOW, BACK TO TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: ALL RIGHT, STILL 
AHEAD ON "THE NATIONAL," 
CANADA'S SMALLEST PROVINCE IS 
CELEBRATING A BIG IMPACT ON THE 
ENVIRONMENT.
>> WE VERY RARELY SEE A PLASTIC 
CARRY OUT BAG ANYMORE, UNLESS 
IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE 
SOMEBODY HAD KICKING AROUND THE 
HOUSE FOR A WHILE.
>> Andrew: A YEAR INTO P.E.I.'S 
PLASTIC BAG BAN, THE INCREDIBLE PODCASTS.
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>> Andrew: SO YOUR HAIR IS TOO 
LONG, YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL 
HELP, AND NOW WITH MORE HAIR 
SALONS REOPENING ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY, YOU ARE WONDERING WHAT 
SHOULD YOU EXPECT WHEN YOU 
ARRIVE.
>> SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT IS THAT 
YOU HAVE TO WAIT OUTSIDE FOR 
YOUR APPOINTMENT.
SOMEBODY WILL COME AND GREET 
YOU.
AS YOU COME THROUGH THE DOORS, 
THERE WILL BE A SANITIZER WHERE 
YOU CAN SANITIZE YOUR HANDS.
>> Andrew: AND CONSIDERING HOW 
PHYSICAL DISTANCING IS BASICALLY
IMPOSSIBLE, EXPECT MASKS TO BE 
MANDATORY.
AT THE WASH STATION, SOME SALONS
MAY GO AS FAR AS HAVING A NO 
TALKING RULE AND SCALP MASSAGES 
MAY BE A THING OF THE PAST.
ALL TO KEEP YOUR VISIT AS SHORT 
AS POSSIBLE.
WHEN YOU ARE IN THE BIG CHAIR, 
YOUR CAPE SHOULD BE DISPOSABLE 
OR WASHED AFTER EVERY SINGLE 
USE.
DIVIDERS MAY BECOME MORE COMMON,
ESPECIALLY IF THEY CAN'T KEEP 
SIX FEET BETWEEN STATIONS, AND 
CONSIDER TALKING EXCLUSIVELY VIA
THE MIRROR, INSTEAD OF TURNING 
FACE TO FACE.
ALSO . . .
>> IN GENERAL, BLOW DRYER IS 
ALLOWED, OKAY.
THERE'S A FEW RESTRICTIONS 
DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE.
THEY MAY HAVE DECIDED THAT IF 
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE 
BETWEEN TWO STATIONS TO LIMIT 
THE BLOW DRYING OR NOT DO ANY 
BLOW DRYING. 
>> Andrew: AND HERE IS ONE MORE 
THING TO CONSIDER.
PRICES MIGHT BE HIGHER.
THERE MAY EVEN BE A NEW COVID 
SURCHARGE.
YOU SEE, BECAUSE OF PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING, SALONS HAVE TO TAKE 
MANY FEWER CLIENTS THAN THEY ARE
USED TO.
THEY ALSO HAVE TO SANITIZE A LOT
MORE.
BASICALLY EVERYWHERE YOU GO.
SO A LITTLE PATIENCE AND 
UNDERSTANDING WILL CERTAINLY GO 
A LONG WAY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE
HAVING A HARD TIME BOOKING AN 
APPOINTMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>> JUST BE PATIENT WITH US.
I'VE HAD A WAITING LIST THAT IS 
A MILE LONG, SO JUST BE PATIENT,
AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIT YOU IN.
>> Adrienne: NOW TO SOME GOOD 
NEWS FOR SOME MANITOBA SMALL 
BUSINESS OWNERS WHO COULD REALLY
USE SOME.
DESPITE AN EXCEPTIONALLY SLOW 
SPRING, COTTAGE RESORT OWNERS 
ARE SEEING A BOOKING BOOM.
KAREN PAULS TAKES US TO A TOWN 
KEEN TO WELCOME THOSE SUMMER 
VACATIONERS.
>> THANKS FOR CALLING.
HOW CAN I HELP YOU. 
>> Reporter: THE LAST FEW MONTHS
REG KALER'S PHONE HAS BEEN 
RINGING WITH PEOPLE CANCELLING 
THEIR RESERVATIONS.
HE OWNS 50 COTTAGES AND A HOTEL 
IN RIDING MOUNTAIN NATIONAL 
PARK.
>> EVERYBODY'S CALLING BACK FOR 
THEIR DEPOSITS TO BE RETURNED.
>> Reporter: THE PHONE IS STILL 
RINGING, BUT NOW IT'S PEOPLE 
LOOKING TO RENT COTTAGES.
>> HI, VALERIE. 
>> Reporter: IN FACT, KEHLER HAS
HAD TO HIRE MORE STAFF TO GET 
THE COTTAGES READY FOR THE 
CANADA DAY RUSH.
THE TURNAROUND CAME ON JUNE 21, 
WHEN MANITOBA WENT INTO ITS 
PHASE THREE REOPENING.
IT ELIMINATED THE 14-DAY 
ISOLATION PERIOD FOR ANYONE 
COMING FROM THE THREE PROVINCES 
TO THE WEST AND PART OF 
NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO.
>> JUST A BLESSING BEYOND 
BELIEF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE 
WERE GETTING PRETTY PANICKY. 
>> Reporter: RESORT COMMUNITIES 
LIKE THIS ONE HAVE SOME HOPE 
THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO 
SALVAGE THIS ALL-TOO-SHORT 
TOURISM SEASON, BUT IT'S A 
LITTLE MORE HIT AND MISS FOR 
NORTHERN OUTFITTERS, ESPECIALLY 
FLY-IN ONES THAT RELY ON 
AMERICAN TOURISTS. 
>> WE'VE HAD TO CLOSE OUR 
SEASON.
>> Reporter: GARY DUNLOP RUNS A 
FLY AND FISHING LODGE BETWEEN 
THOMPSON AND CHURCHILL.
MOST OF HIS CLIENTS COME FROM 
THE U.S., AND THE BORDER IS 
STILL CLOSED FOR NON-ESSENTIAL 
TRAVEL UNTIL AT LEAST JULY 21.
>> ABOUT 10% OF OUR CLIENTELE 
ARE MANITOBANS OR CANADIANS, BUT
FOR A REMOTE LOCATION WHERE WE 
ARE, 10% STILL DOESN'T COVER THE
COST JUST TO OPEN UP.
>> Reporter: PAUL WEANS IS A 
LITTLE LUCKIER.
HIS LODGE IS A SEVEN-HOUR DRIVE 
NORTH OF WINNIPEG.
RESERVATIONS ARE STARTING TO 
PICK UP.
>> WE KNOW THAT THE SEASON IS 
NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT SHOULD 
BE, BUT EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS.
>> Reporter: BACK HERE, THE 
BEACH AND PATIOS ARE FILLING UP.
SOME OF THE LOCALS, LIKE ELLA 
WYNN, ADMIT THEY HAVE CONCERNS 
ABOUT COVID-19. 
>> THIS IS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO
COME AND RELAX, BUT IT DOESN'T 
MEAN THAT WE FORGET ABOUT SOCIAL
DISTANCING.
>> Reporter: STILL, SHE WELCOMED
THE TOURISTS.
LIKE THESE FIRST-TIME VISITORS.
MICHELLE TOLL AND HER FAMILY 
BOOKED A COTTAGE HERE AT THE 
LAST MINUTE.
>> USUALLY WE DO SPEND OUR 
WEEKENDS IN THE SUMMERTIME IN --
FOR BALL TOURNAMENTS, SO WE 
DON'T ACTUALLY GET TO STAY AND 
STICK AROUND MANITOBA QUITE A 
BIT. 
>> Reporter: EMBRACING THEIR 
SUMMER STAYCATION, THEY ARE 
ALREADY PLANNING A TRIP BACK 
HERE IN AUGUST.
KAREN PAULS, CBC NEWS, 
WASAGAMENE, MANITOBA.
>> Andrew: WELL, NEXT ON "THE 
NATIONAL," OUR "MOMENT," ONE 
THAT DESERVES A PAT ON THE BACK.
>> I WOULD CONGRATULATE EVERYONE
FOR MAKING THIS HAPPEN A YEAR 
AGO.
>> Andrew: P.E.I. WAS THE FIRST 
PROVINCE TO BAN PLASTIC BAGS 
LAST CANADA DAY, A YEAR LATER 
AND THE AMOUNT OF GARBAGE 
DIVERTED IS PRETTY AMAZING.
WE'RE BACK IN A MOMENT WITH 
THAT.
>> Adrienne: FOR THOSE GRAPPLING
WITH ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY, A 
PLASTIC BAG BAN SEEMS A BIT LIKE
A NO-BRAINER.
CANADIANS USE UP TO 15 BILLION 
OF THOSE BAGS EVERY YEAR.
THEORETICALLY RECYCLABLE, IN 
PRACTICE THEY OFTEN END UP AS 
LANDFILL AND LITTER.
WELL, EXACTLY A YEAR AGO 
CANADA'S SMALLEST PROVINCE WAS 
THE FIRST TO TAKE THE BIG STEP 
OF BANNING THEM OUTRIGHT.
THE RESULTS ARE IN, AND THEY ARE
TONIGHT'S "MOMENT."
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>> HARD TO BELIEVE A YEAR WENT 
BY, YOU KNOW, THAT QUICK.
RESIDENTS OF P.E.I. TOOK TO IT 
VERY WELL.
>> Adrienne: THE MAN IN CHARGE 
OF P.E.I.'S WASTE MANAGEMENT 
SAYS A YEAR ON MORE THAN 80 
TONNES OF ANNUAL PLASTIC WASTE 
HAS VANISHED. 
>> IT WAS 15 TO 16 MILLION.
CARRYOUT BAGS UTILIZED IN THE 
PROVINCE.
I MEAN, THEY ARE TOTALLY 
ELIMINATED. 
>> Adrienne: PEOPLE SHIFTED 
QUICKLY TO RE-USABLE BAGS ON 
SHOPPING TRIPS, EVEN WHEN THEY 
HAD THE OPTION OF PAPER. 
>> WE WERE ANTICIPATING A PRETTY
GOOD SPIKE IN THE AMOUNT OF 
PAPER BAGS THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE
IN THE RECYCLING STREAM, BUT WE 
REALLY DIDN'T SEE THAT.
>> I SEE YOU BROUGHT YOUR BAGS 
TODAY. 
>> SURE DID.
>> Adrienne: AND ACCORDING TO 
THE RETAIL COUNCIL OF CANADA, 
BUSINESS BARELY SKIPPED A BEAT. 
>> FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S BEEN 
SEAMLESS.
MOST OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE MOVED 
ON FROM IT LONG AGO.
>> Adrienne: AT A TIME WHEN 
THINGS SEEM BROKEN, SOMETIMES A 
SIMPLE POLICY IMPLEMENTED WELL 
JUST WORKS.
AND INCREDIBLY IT WORKS EVEN IN 
COVID.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A BIT OF A 
FEAR THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T WANT 
RE-USABLE BAGS DURING COVID, BUT
IT WAS OKAY.
THEY DIDN'T CHARGE ANY MORE FOR 
THE PAPER.
IT WAS FINE.
>> Andrew: YEAH, AND I MEAN, 
THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING TOO, 
RIGHT?
INTERESTINGLY YESTERDAY WAS WHEN
A WHOLE BUNCH OF SIMILAR BAG 
BANS WENT INTO EFFECT 
MUNICIPALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, 
FROM WEST TO EAST, IN 
NEWFOUNDLAND PROVINCE-WIDE AS 
WELL AND NOVA SCOTIA I THINK IS 
COMING UP IN OCTOBER, VANCOUVER 
COMING UP IN JANUARY.
SO THE SNOWBALL BEGINS.
>> Adrienne: GET USED TO IT.
>> Andrew: THAT'S "THE NATIONAL"
FOR THIS THURSDAY, JULY 2.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
>> Adrienne: GOOD NIGHT.
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