>> I WENT AHEAD
AND HAD THE GENDER
REASSIGNMENT SURGERY,
AND WITHIN A FEW MONTHS,
I WAS ACTUALLY HOMELESS
AND LIVING IN A PARK
IN LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA.
BY THAT TIME, I WAS PRETTY
MUCH A FULL-BLOWN ALCOHOLIC.
♪
♪
>> WELCOME TO
"PURE PASSION."
MY NAME IS
JONATHAN DAUGHERTY.
LAST WEEK WE HEARD
FROM WALTER HEYER,
A MAN WRESTLING
WITH INNER TURMOIL
THAT STARTED
AT AGE FOUR.
JOIN US AS WE
CONTINUE TO HEAR
ABOUT HIS FASCINATING
JOURNEY IN AND OUT
OF GENDER DYSPHORIA
IN PART TWO OF THIS
CAPTIVATING INTERVIEW.
>> THE KIDS FOUND OUT
AFTER THE DIVORCE.
MY WIFE TOLD THE KIDS
WHAT WAS HAPPENING,
AND FROM THAT MOMENT ON,
MY DAUGHTER CALLED ME UP
AND SAID SOME THINGS
TO ME ON THE PHONE
AND DIDN'T
SPEAK TO ME AGAIN.
MY SON TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, I
KIND OF WISH YOU HAD CANCER
AND DIED BECAUSE THEN
I COULD TELL MY FRIENDS
WHAT HAD HAPPENED
TO YOU.
BUT WITH WHAT'S
GOING ON WITH YOU,
I CAN'T TELL
ANYBODY ABOUT IT.
SO NOW WE'VE GOT ANOTHER
SECRET HE HAS TO HOLD.
I WENT AHEAD
AND HAD THE GENDER
REASSIGNMENT SURGERY.
I HAD A CAREER STILL IN
THE AUTOMOBILE INDUSTRY.
I WAS PROMPTLY TERMINATED
FROM THE CORPORATION
AND GIVEN
SEVERANCE PACKAGE,
AND THEY WOULDN'T EVEN
LET ME IN THE BUILDING
WHEN THEY FOUND
OUT WHAT I'D DONE.
SO I DIDN'T EVEN GET
TO GO BACK ON PROPERTY.
THEY CLEANED MY DESK OUT
AND SAID GOOD-BYE.
YOU KNOW,
I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
I DIDN'T LIKE IT,
AND I EVEN BEGGED FOR THEM
TO GIVE ME A JOB SOMEWHERE
IN THE BACK ROOM.
THIS WAS A $300 MILLION
AUTOMOBILE CORPORATION,
SO THERE WAS A LOT
OF PLACES
THEY COULD HAVE
SHOVED ME OFF.
AND STILL LET ME
SURVIVE FINANCIALLY,
BUT I WAS
CUT OFF FROM THAT.
I WAS NOT ABLE
TO GET ANOTHER JOB,
AND WITHIN A FEW MONTHS,
I WAS ACTUALLY HOMELESS
AND LIVING IN A PARK
IN LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA.
BY THAT TIME,
I WAS PRETTY MUCH
A FULL-BLOWN
ALCOHOLIC.
I REMEMBERED SOMEBODY
FROM THE CAR BUSINESS
THAT HAD TOLD ME,
I KNOW YOU'VE
STRUGGLED WITH ALCOHOL.
IF YOU EVER NEED HELP,
GIVE ME A CALL
AND I WILL TAKE
YOU TO A MEETING.
I GAVE HIM A CALL,
AND HE PICKED ME UP
AND TOOK ME
TO HIS HOUSE.
AND HE SET THE GARAGE UP
WITH A COUCH AND THINGS
AND LET ME STAY
IN THE GARAGE
BECAUSE FRANKLY, I WAS
SO DIRTY AND SO MESSED UP
THAT HE DIDN'T WANT
ME IN THE HOUSE.
BUT THAT GARAGE LOOKED
LIKE THE WALDORF ASTORIA.
IT WAS BETTER THAN ANYTHING
I'D HAD IN A WHILE.
SO I STARTED
GOING TO MEETINGS,
AND I HEARD STORIES
ABOUT PEOPLE IN AA,
AND THEY WOULD TALK
ABOUT THEIR HIGHER POWER,
AND SOME OF THEM WOULD
ACTUALLY SPEAK ABOUT CHRIST,
NOT OFTEN, BUT ENOUGH THAT
IT RANG MY BELL A LITTLE.
I DECIDED
TO CONTACT SOMEBODY
THAT I REMEMBERED
HAD BEEN A SPEAKER
AT FOREST HOME CHRISTIAN
CONFERENCE CENTER.
I WENT TO HIS OFFICE,
AND HE, PRO BONO,
DECIDED TO GIVE ME
COUNSELING.
HE COULD SEE THAT MY LIFE
WAS A TOTAL MESS.
WE BEGAN TO GO THROUGH
THIS WHOLE PROCESS
OF DEALING WITH
WHAT WAS GOING ON,
AND I BECAME
SUICIDAL.
SO HE GOT
VERY CONCERNED.
HE SAYS, YOU NEED A FAMILY
TO SURROUND YOU.
YOU NEED
A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT,
SOMETHING HEALTHIER THAN
JUST BEING OUT HERE,
GOING TO MEETINGS.
LET ME CALL A FRIEND
OF MINE.
HE CALLED A PASTOR FRIEND OF
HIS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
HE CALLED ROY, AND HE SAID,
ROY, I'VE GOT A GUY HERE
THAT HAS GONE THROUGH
GENDER REASSIGNMENT
SURGERY, STRUGGLING.
WOULD YOU
TAKE HIM IN?
HE SAID, LET ME HAVE
A MEETING WITH THE FAMILY.
HE HAD TWO TEENAGE
KIDS AND HIS WIFE,
WHO WAS
A SCHOOL TEACHER.
HE WAS
A PHD PSYCHOLOGIST
IN CROSS-CULTURAL
PSYCHOLOGY,
AS WELL AS BEING
A PASTOR.
VERY COMPASSIONATE GUY.
THE NEXT WEEK,
MY SCHEDULED APPOINTMENT
TO BE WITH DR. GUERNSEY,
GUERNSEY SAID,
YOU'RE APPROVED
TO GO.
ROY'S GONNA TAKE
YOU INTO HIS HOUSE.
HERE I WAS--I WAS LAURA
AT THE TIME, LAURA JENSEN.
AND HE TOOK ME UP TO ROY'S
HOUSE, DROPPED ME OFF,
PULLED AWAY
FROM THE CURB,
AND I WALKED UP
THE LONG DIRT DRIVEWAY
TO ROY'S FRONT DOOR
AND KNOCKED ON THE DOOR.
THAT STARTED THIS
RELATIONSHIP WITH ROY
THAT I STILL HAVE
TODAY.
WE'RE STILL
MARVELOUS FRIENDS.
STAYING IN THAT HOUSE
AND LIVING AS LAURA,
HE JUST WALKED THROUGH
THIS PROCESS WITH ME.
I GOT A JOB
AS LAURA
AT THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN
CHOCOLATE FACTORY.
I WENT TO BIBLE STUDY
WITH HIM.
I STARTED GOING
TO A CHURCH WITH HIM
IN PLEASANTON,
CALIFORNIA.
YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT TO GO IN THERE
AND REALIZE,
HE WAS ACCEPTING LAURA
AS A PERSON
THAT WAS IN NEED
THAT HE NEEDED TO HELP,
AND THAT FAMILY EMBRACED ME.
THE DAUGHTER LET ME
HAVE HER ROOM,
AND SHE SLEPT
ON THE COUCH.
THEY JUST REALLY WRAPPED
THEIR ARMS AROUND ME
AND LOVED ON ME.
THEY DIDN'T SAY,
YOU SHOULDN'T DO THIS.
THEY DIDN'T THROW
THE BIBLE AT ME.
THEY DIDN'T PRAY, SAYING,
I SURE HOPE THEY FIX LAURA.
THEY DIDN'T DO
ANY OF THAT.
THEY JUST SAT BACK
AND WERE VERY CURIOUS
IN LISTENING TO THE STORY
AND HOW THIS CAME ABOUT,
KIND OF LIKE
I'M SPEAKING TODAY.
THEY WANTED TO KNOW
THE HISTORY, WHAT HAPPENED,
AND WHAT I
WAS FEELING.
BEING A PSYCHOLOGIST
OF SORTS,
ROY WANTED TO KNOW
HOW I FELT.
HE DIDN'T EVER WANT TO
TRAMPLE ON THOSE FEELINGS.
I WAS STILL STRUGGLING
WITH ALCOHOL.
UNBEKNOWNST TO ROY, I WENT
AND BECAME INTOXICATED
AT A LOCAL BIKER BAR.
HE THEN SAID, OKAY, YOU
NEED TO SOME RECOVERY HOME.
SO I WENT INTO
A WOMEN'S RECOVERY HOME
IN THE SAN FRANCISCO
AREA.
FROM THE TIME THAT
HE DROPPED ME OFF
FOR THAT RECOVERY HOME
FOR ALCOHOLISM,
NOBODY CAME
TO SEE ME.
EVERYBODY THAT I HAD EVER
KNOWN WAS SO DISGUSTED
AND DISAPPOINTED WITH ME--
AT THIS POINT, EVEN ROY--
THAT NO ONE
CAME TO SEE ME.
SO I FELT LIKE
THE WORLD WAS HERE,
AND I WAS OVER HERE,
AND I WAS NEVER
GONNA CONNECT
WITH THAT WORLD AGAIN.
BUT I DID EXACTLY WHAT
THEY TOLD ME TO DO
IN THIS WOMEN'S
RECOVERY HOUSE,
YOU KNOW, GOING TO
MEETINGS AND LISTENING,
AND I HEARD ABOUT
THE HIGHER POWER,
AND EVERY ONCE
IN A WHILE,
I HEARD SOMEBODY
TALK ABOUT JESUS.
SOMETIMES THAT WAS
A LITTLE FROWNED ON.
IT WAS OKAY TO TALK
ABOUT HIGHER POWER,
BUT JESUS,
NOT NECESSARILY.
I DECIDED THAT I WANTED TO
RECONNECT AS BEST I COULD,
AND I HAD WENT TO
A CHURCH IN FOSTER CITY,
AND I WENT IN
TO SEE THE PASTOR
BEFORE I EVER
ATTENDED CHURCH.
I SAID, ARE YOU
GONNA TRY TO FIX ME?
HE SAID, YOU KNOW,
MY JOB IS TO LOVE YOU.
IT'S GOD'S JOB
TO CHANGE YOU.
AND I THOUGHT, OKAY,
I CAN DEAL WITH THAT,
BUT I WASN'T SURE THAT GOD
COULD DO ANYTHING WITH ME.
I HAD OFTEN SAID, IN MY
OWN SILENCE AND QUIET TIME
THAT I WAS LIVING ON
THE SCRAP HEAP OF LIFE.
I DIDN'T FEEL
LIKE I HAD IT MADE
BECAUSE OF WHAT
I'D DONE.
I FELT THAT I WAS PART
OF DISCARDED HUMANITY.
SO I STARTED THIS
RECOVERY PROGRAM.
I STARTED GOING
TO CHURCH.
THEY JUST WELCOMED ME
AT THE CHURCH AS LAURA.
THERE WAS NEVER ANY
PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
THE PASTOR OF THE CHURCH
WAS A FRIEND OF ROY,
SO THE TWO OF THEM
HAD BUILT THE STORY,
AND ROY ACTUALLY WAS
GUIDING ME TO THAT CHURCH
BECAUSE HE FELT THAT JEFF
WAS SOMEBODY WHO COULD
BE WARM AND SENSITIVE
TO WHAT I WAS DOING.
BUT HERE IS THE KICKER
THAT WAS SO INTERESTING
ABOUT JEFF
AND THE CHURCH.
THE ELDERS AND THE
STAFF GOT TOGETHER,
AND THEY DECIDED
THAT THE BEST WAY
THAT THEY
COULD LEARN ABOUT ME
WAS FOR ME TO DO
WHAT THEY CALLED
A WEEKLY
PRAYER LETTER.
SO I WOULD WRITE DOWN
ALL THE DIFFICULT THINGS
THAT WERE GOING ON
IN MY LIFE,
THE STRUGGLES
I WAS HAVING,
AND I WOULD WRITE THEM
ALL DOWN AND TURN THEM IN
TO PAT,
THE SECRETARY THERE,
AND SHE WOULD TYPE THEM
OUT AND SEND THEM OUT.
I LEARNED LATER THERE
WAS 35 TO 45 PEOPLE
THAT WOULD PRAY OVER
ALL OF THESE THINGS
THAT WERE GOING ON
IN MY LIFE,
AND IF I NEEDED FINANCIAL
HELP, I'D GO TO CHURCH,
THERE WOULD BE AN ENVELOPE
WITH 20 BUCKS IN IT.
THEY WERE JUST THERE,
KIND OF LOVING ON ME.
SO THERE WAS A PERIOD OF
TIME WHEN I FINALLY BEGAN
TO REACH SOME LEVEL OF
SOBRIETY AND START TO FEEL
A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFIDENT
ABOUT WHO I WAS,
SO I WOULD ATTEMPT
TO RESTORE WALT
AND BEGAN
TO DRESS AS WALT.
THERE WAS SOMETHING
GOING ON THAT MADE ME
WANT TO RECONNECT WITH WALT,
AND A LOT OF IT
HAD TO DO WITH THE FACT
THAT MY PAST WAS GONE.
WHEN YOU CHANGE FROM
ONE GENDER TO THE OTHER,
YOU HAVE NO PAST.
IT'S BASICALLY
CUT OFF.
THERE'S NO PICTURES
OF WALT.
THERE'S NO HISTORY
OF WALT.
PEOPLE WERE OUT
OF MY LIFE.
MY DAUGHTER HAD
NOT SPOKEN TO ME.
I TALKED TO MY SON
A FEW TIMES.
OUR RELATIONSHIP WAS OKAY,
BUT WE WEREN'T CLOSE.
I DIDN'T LIKE HIM
TO SEE ME
AS MESSED UP
AS I WAS.
SO I KEPT TRYING TO DO THIS,
BUT THERE WERE SHORT BOUTS
OF BEING WALT, AND THEN
THEY WOULD JUST FAIL.
♪
>> WE NEED HELP
TO MINISTER
NOT ONLY TO THOSE WITH
HOMOSEXUAL CONFUSION,
BUT TO THE TRANSGENDERED
PERSON AS WELL.
DENISE SHICK GREW
UP WITH A FATHER
WHO WAS TRANSGENDERED.
THE LESSONS SHE LEARNED
HAVE INFORMED
MORE THAN
A DECADE OF MINISTRY,
AS WELL AS
A NEW BOOK CALLED
"UNDERSTANDING
GENDER CONFUSION:
A FAITH-BASED
PERSPECTIVE."
DENISE SHARES GREAT WISDOM
ON SUBJECTS
RANGING FROM CROSS-DRESSING
TO SEX-CHANGE REGRET.
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>> DAVID KYLE FOSTER
DESCRIBES FROM SCRIPTURE
THE SANCTIFICATION
PROCESS IN HIS BOOK
"TRANSFORMED
INTO HIS IMAGE:
HIDDEN STEPS ON THE
JOURNEY TO CHRISTLIKENESS."
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LARRY CRABB,
AND BENEDICT GROESCHEL,
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GOD CREATED US TO HAVE
AND SHOWS GOD'S PROVISION
FOR MAKING IT POSSIBLE.
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>> I WENT TO UC
SANTA CRUZ
AND STARTED
STUDYING PSYCHOLOGY,
THE PSYCHOLOGY
OF ADDICTIONS,
TO TRY TO BECOME
A COUNSELOR.
THAT WAS MY GOAL,
TO WORK WITH PEOPLE
WHO WERE STRUGGLING
BECAUSE I NEVER HAD
ANY HELP
AND I WANTED TO BE
THERE FOR PEOPLE
WHO OTHERWISE
WOULDN'T HAVE HELP.
I STUDIED PSYCHOLOGY,
AND I EXCELLED.
I BEGAN TO ACTUALLY
START READING THE BOOKS,
WHICH I HADN'T
DONE BEFORE.
I WAS ABLE TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT I WAS READING,
AND I WAS GETTING
STRAIGHT A's.
I STARTED WORKING IN
CLINICAL ENVIRONMENTS,
YOU KNOW HOW THEY SEND
YOU OUT TO DO A DAY TEST
AT A CLINICAL PLACE
AND YOU WORK WITH CLIENTS
ALONG WITH
THE PSYCHOLOGIST.
I HAD THESE INTERNSHIPS,
SO FOR TWO YEARS,
I DEVELOPED
THE UNDERSTANDING
OF WORKING WITH PEOPLE,
BUT I ALSO BEGAN
TO UNDERSTAND
PSYCHOLOGY AND REALIZE,
NOBODY CHANGES GENDER.
THE WHOLE THING IS A
MYTH, IT'S A FANTASY,
IT'S DELUSIONAL,
IT'S A PSYCHOLOGY DISORDER,
AND THAT BEGAN
TO TROUBLE ME.
WHEN I REALIZED THAT,
BY THE END
OF THE TWO-YEAR STUDY,
I LITERALLY
HAD TO FORCE MYSELF,
KNOWING THAT I WAS
A FRAUD AS A FEMALE
AND THAT I REALLY
HADN'T CHANGED,
I'D ONLY MADE IT
LOOK LIKE I HAD,
I HAD MY DRIVER'S LICENSE
CHANGED BACK TO WALT,
I BEGAN DRESSING
AS WALT,
AND I WENT TO CITY TEAM
MINISTRIES IN SAN JOSE
AND BECAME A COUNSELOR
IN THEIR STREET PROGRAM,
WORKING WITH ALCOHOLICS
AND DOING GROUP STUDIES
AND INDIVIDUAL STUDIES
AND WORKING ONE-ON-ONE
WITH PEOPLE.
I DID THAT FOR A YEAR,
AND THAT WAS A CONTRACT
THAT RAN OUT AT
THE END OF A YEAR.
I WAS DEVASTATED THAT
I COULDN'T CONTINUE.
I KIND OF EXCELLED
AT DOING THAT.
NOT HAVING ANYTHING
TO DO,
I RESORTED TO GOING
BACK TO LAURA.
NOW I CANNOT TELL YOU WHY
EXCEPT I FELT LIKE MY DEGREE
THAT I'D GOTTEN
FROM COLLEGE
WAS WITH LAURA, AND I COULD
TAKE THAT SOMEWHERE IN LA
AND BEGIN TO WORK AS LAURA,
WHICH I DID.
I WENT INTO A LOCK-DOWN
PSYCHIATRIC UNIT
IN A HOSPITAL ENVIRONMENT
IN SANTA MONICA AND BEGAN
TO WORK 12-HOUR SHIFTS
WITH THE NURSING CREW
WITH PEOPLE
WHO WERE
DUAL-DIAGNOSED
PSYCHIATRIC PATIENTS.
I BEGAN TO DO
COUNSELING WITH THEM,
AND IT WAS
A VERY REWARDING JOB.
THERE WAS A GUY
I WORKED WITH.
HE WAS ACTUALLY
A PSYCHIATRIC DOCTOR.
HE PULLED ME ASIDE
ONE DAY AND SAYS,
WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I JUST
WORKED WITH YOU MYSELF,
JUST YOU AND ME,
MAYBE EVERY DAY FOR
ABOUT 30 MINUTES?
I SAID,
NO, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
SO HE BEGAN HAVING
SESSIONS WITH ME,
AND I DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND WHY.
THIS WAS KIND
OF PUZZLING,
BUT I'M ONE OF THESE, I
DON'T ASK, I'LL JUST DO IT.
SO BY THE END OF FIVE
OR SIX DAYS, HE SAID,
I THINK YOU HAVE
A DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER.
I SAID, REALLY?
HE SAID, YEAH, BUT DON'T
TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
HERE'S A LIST
OF PEOPLE
WHO DO NOTHING BUT
DIAGNOSE DISORDERS.
THEY DON'T USUALLY
CARRY ON WITH SOMEBODY
MORE THAN JUST
THE DIAGNOSIS PROCESS.
YOU PICK SOMEBODY.
I DON'T WANT
TO PICK THEM.
GO TO THAT PERSON.
DON'T TELL THEM
I TOLD YOU TO GO.
JUST CALL UP AND SAY YOU
HEARD THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
I DON'T WANT ANY PRE-NOTIONS
FOR THEM TO HAVE.
DON'T TELL THEM
WHAT I SAID.
JUST GO.
I HAD FIVE OR SIX SESSIONS
WITH HER, AND AT THE END
OF THOSE SESSIONS
THAT I HAD EVERY WEEK,
SHE OPENED UP HER BOOK, AND
I'M SITTING THERE AS LAURA,
AND SHE SAID, YOU HAVE
A DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER.
I SAID, WHAT DOES
THAT EXACTLY MEAN?
SHE SAID, BASED ON
WHAT YOU'VE TOLD ME,
THE CROSS-DRESSING
AND THE SEXUAL ABUSE
CAUSED YOU
TO DISSOCIATE.
IT'S NOT FULL-BLOWN
MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES,
BUT IT'S
A DISSOCIATION.
YOU DID NOT WANT
TO BE WHO YOU WERE
BECAUSE THAT PERSON
WHO WAS THE LITTLE BOY
WAS GETTING SEXUALLY
ABUSED, CROSS-DRESSED,
AND PHYSICALLY ABUSED.
THOSE THINGS ALONE
BUILT WITHIN YOU
BASICALLY
ANOTHER PERSONALITY.
BUT UNLIKE MULTIPLE
PERSONALITIES
WHERE YOU DON'T
KNOW THE PERSON,
YOU'RE FULLY AWARE
OF THIS ONE.
YOU JUST WEREN'T HAPPY
WITH BEING A BOY
BECAUSE HE GOT ABUSED
TOO MUCH
AND HAD TOO MANY
BAD THINGS HAPPEN.
SO YOU BECAME
SOMEONE
WHO DIDN'T HAVE BAD
THINGS HAPPENING.
FURTHERMORE, BECAUSE
YOU'VE GONE THROUGH
GENDER REASSIGNMENT
SURGERY,
IT'S GONNA BE
ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE
FOR YOU TO RECOVER.
AND I JUST WEPT,
JUST WEPT.
WHEN I WENT TO SEE
DR. WALKER,
HE DIDN'T LOOK AT ME
AND LOOK FOR A DISORDER.
I TOLD HIM
ABOUT MY CHILDHOOD,
BUT IT DIDN'T TRIGGER
ANYTHING IN HIS MIND
THAT MAYBE THERE
WAS SOME DISORDER.
HE JUST LOOKED AT IS
AS BEING TRANSGENDER
OR GENDER DYSPHORIA.
I DECIDED
NOT TO BELIEVE HER,
SO I TOOK SOME OF THE OTHER
NAMES ON THAT LIST
AND I BEGAN TO GO TO THEM,
ONE AFTER THE OTHER.
THEY ALL CAME UP WITH THE
SAME IDENTICAL DIAGNOSIS.
I'M PROBABLY
MORE BROKEN
THAN AT ANY OTHER
TIME IN MY LIFE,
AND SO I STARTED
GOING TO A THERAPIST
AND BEGAN TO WORK ON THIS
DISSOCIATIVE DISORDER,
BUT I WAS STILL WORKING
VERY WELL ON MY RECOVERY.
THAT HAD GONE WELL.
I HADN'T HAD
ANY RELAPSES.
I WAS ALSO CONNECTING
BACK WITH THE CHURCH
BECAUSE I HAD MOVED
BACK UP TO THE BAY AREA.
I WAS BACK IN
WITH THAT CHURCH
THAT HAD
RECEIVED ME WELL.
I WAS WORKING
ON MY FOURTH STEP,
AND ANYBODY THAT KNOWS
ANYTHING ABOUT AA,
THE FOURTH STEP IS THE ONE
WHERE YOU PUT EVERYTHING
THAT YOU FELT LIKE WAS
GARBAGE INTO THIS CAN
AND YOU START PEELING
THEM OUT, AND I WENT
TO A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST
WHO WAS A CHRISTIAN
AND BEGAN TO GO
THROUGH THESE THINGS
ONE SATURDAY AFTERNOON.
WE WENT THROUGH THEM
ONE BY ONE, CAREFULLY,
PRAYING FOR THEM
AND WORKING OVER THEM.
IT WAS ALL THE PAIN AND ALL
THE HURT, THE SEXUAL ABUSE,
EVERY EVENT THAT HAD
CAUSED ME PAIN
THAT I WANTED
THE LORD TO HELP ME WITH,
THAT I DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT TO DO WITH.
WHEN WE WERE DONE,
WE WENT OUT OF HIS OFFICE.
IT WAS ALL ON A YELLOW,
LINED PIECE OF PAPER.
I FORGET HOW MANY PAGES,
BUT THEY WERE NUMEROUS.
WE WERE CHECKING
THEM OFF AS WE GO.
WE WENT OUTSIDE, AND HE
TOOK A MATCH OUTSIDE,
AND WE STOOD IN THE PARKING
LOT THAT AFTERNOON,
AND HE PUT A MATCH TO
THE CORNER OF THAT PAPER,
AND IT JUST STARTED
TO BURN,
AND A LITTLE BREEZE TOOK
THAT PAPER AND BURNED IT.
IT WAS GONE.
I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS
REALLY GREAT SYMBOLISM,
BUT IS IT
GONNA WORK?
WHAT'S IT
GONNA DO?
I NEEDED SOMEONE TO
SIGN OFF ON MY FOURTH STEP
SO I COULD MOVE
TO THE NEXT ONE,
AND THAT WAS PROBABLY
MORE OF AN INTEREST TO ME.
HE PUT HIS HAND ON
MY SHOULDER AND SAID,
LET'S GO BACK IN AND PRAY
ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE.
I SAID,
THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
WE SAT DOWN ACROSS
FROM EACH OTHER,
AND WE BEGAN
TO PRAY.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS
THE LONGEST PRAYER.
IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN,
BUT IT SEEMED LONG.
DURING THAT PRAYER,
ALL OF A SUDDEN,
I DIDN'T OPEN
MY EYES,
BUT I COULD SEE THE LORD
JESUS CHRIST IN WHITE,
AND HIS FEET WERE
UP IN THE AIR,
AND HE WAS DOWN
IN THIS POSITION
WITH HIS ARMS
REACHING OUT TO ME,
AND IN THAT VISION,
I LOOKED OVER,
AND HERE WAS
A LITTLE BABY,
AND THE LITTLE BABY
WAS ME AS A BOY.
AND HE REACHED DOWN
AND PICKED UP THE BOY
AND CRADLED HIM
IN HIS ARMS AND SAID,
YOU'LL BE SAFE
WITH ME FOREVER.
FROM THAT MOMENT ON,
MY LIFE WAS REDEEMED
AND RESTORED,
AND I BEGAN LIVING
AS WALT,
AND I HAVE BEEN
FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
♪
>> DENISE SHICK, FOUNDER
AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF HELP 4 FAMILIES
HAS WRITTEN
"TRANSGENDER CONFUSION:
A BIBLICAL-BASED
Q AND A FOR FAMILIES."
IN THIS BOOK, SHICK EXPLORES
A VARIETY OF TOPICS...
THIS IS AN INVALUABLE
RESOURCE FOR FAMILIES
WITH TRANSGENDER
CONFUSION IN THEIR MIDST.
TO GET YOUR COPY OF
"TRANSGENDER CONFUSION,"
GO TO WWW.HELP4FAMLIES.COM.
IN HIS MEMOIR,
"LOVE HUNGER,"
DAVID KYLE FOSTER SHARES HIS
DESPERATE SEARCH FOR LOVE
DURING HIS FIRST
29 YEARS OF LIFE,
BUT IN THE SECOND PART
OF THE BOOK, HE UNVEILS
THE MOST TRANSFORMATIVE
REVELATIONS, IMPARTATIONS,
AND HEALING MOMENTS
GIVEN HIM BY GOD
SINCE THAT DAY
OF SALVATION.
IT'S SUCH AN INCREDIBLE
STORY THAT WE'RE
DEVELOPING A FILM
BASED ON DAVID'S BOOK.
GET A COPY
OF "LOVE HUNGER"
OR ONE OF THE MANY "LOVE
HUNGER"-THEMED ITEMS
THAT WE'VE HAD COMMISSIONED
TO RAISE FUNDS FOR THE FILM.
GO TO PUREPASSION.US.
>> I'M SO SOBER ALMOST 30
YEARS AND MARRIED 18 YEARS,
AND THE LORD HAS REDEEMED
AND RESTORED MY LIFE.
I OWE IT ALL TO PEOPLE
WHO JUST LOVED ON ME
AND STOOD BY AND WATCHED
THE LORD WORKING IN MY LIFE
AND WATCHED HOW
THAT PROCESS WORKS,
AS UGLY AS IT WAS AND
AS DIFFICULT AS IT WAS
AND AS, I'M SURE,
PAINFUL AS IT WAS
FOR THEM TO WATCH
AT TIMES.
THE LORD HAS TAKEN THIS
HORRIBLY BROKEN LIFE,
RESTORED IT TO THE POINT TO
WHERE THIS LIFE NOW SERVES
TO HONOR AND GLORIFY
JESUS CHRIST
AND ALLOWS MY TESTIMONY,
MY LIFE,
TO SHOW THAT BEING
TRANSGENDER IS REDEEMABLE
AND YOU DON'T HAVE
TO LIVE THAT WAY.
IF SOMEONE WERE TO TELL
ME THAT THEY HAD BEEN TOLD
THEY NEED
A SEX-CHANGE OPERATION
BECAUSE THEY HAD
GENDER DYSPHORIA,
THEN I WOULD SIT DOWN
WITH THEM,
AND I WOULD WANT THEM TO
LOOK AT THE RESEARCH WORK
THAT SAYS 60-70%
OF PEOPLE
WHO THINK THEY'RE
TRANSGENDER
ARE SUFFERING FROM WHAT
THEY CALL CO-MORBID
PSYCHOLOGICAL
OR PSYCHIATRIC DISORDERS
THAT ARE NEVER DIAGNOSED
AND NEVER TREATED,
AND IF THEY WERE,
THE DESIRE TO CHANGE GENDERS
WOULD GO AWAY.
THE BALANCE OF THE 20
OR 30% THAT ARE LEFT
ARE SUFFERING
FROM PHOBIAS,
SOME OF THEM SEXUAL,
SOME OF THEM NOT.
THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT
NEED TO BE DEALT WITH.
THERE ISN'T ONE PERSON
WHO NEEDS TO UNDERGO
GENDER REASSIGNMENT
SURGERY
TO GET RIGHT
WITH THEMSELVES.
THEY DO NEED TO GET
APPROPRIATE CLINICAL HELP,
GOOD GUIDANCE.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS,
THERE'S VERY FEW WHO ARE
REALLY ABLE OR WILLING
TO HELP PEOPLE WALK
THROUGH THIS
BECAUSE IT'S A
VERY MESSY PROCESS.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT,
AND THE LAWS WORK AGAINST
THE PEOPLE TO HELP THEM,
ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE.
IN MANY STATES,
IT'S AGAINST THE LAW
FOR A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST
TO TRY TO GUIDE SOMEBODY
OUT OF GENDER DYSPHORIA
BECAUSE THAT SUGGESTS
THAT IT'S TREATABLE.
WELL, IT IS TREATABLE.
THE PROBLEM IS, THEY'RE
FEARFUL, I BELIEVE,
THAT IF THEY FINALLY DO
DISCOVER THAT THESE PEOPLE
HAVE DISORDERS LIKE I DID
AND LIKE 60 TO 70% OF THEM,
ACCORDING TO THE RESEARCH--
THESE ARE NOT MY NUMBERS--
ARE SUFFERING BUT
NEVER GET TREATED.
AND IF, IN FACT, CHANGING
GENDERS IS SO WONDERFUL
AND SO EFFECTIVE AND PEOPLE
ARE SO HAPPY ABOUT DOING IT,
THEN I WOULD LIKE
FOR THAT PERSON
WHO'S ASKING ME ABOUT
THIS TO TELL ME WHY, THEN,
DO 41% OF THEM
ATTEMPT SUICIDE?
IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE
NOT HAPPY.
WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT
GETTING THE HELP THEY NEED,
AND THAT'S REALLY
MY MESSAGE,
TO GET TRANSGENDERS
THE HELP THEY NEED.
DON'T PUSH THEM DOWN
THE TRAIL
OF HORMONES
AND SURGERY.
THAT'S NOT GONNA
HELP THEM.
THEY'RE GONNA END UP
PART OF THIS HIGH RATE
OF SUICIDE POPULATION,
OR THEY'RE GONNA END UP
DISCOVERING, YEARS LATER,
THAT THEY HAD
A DISORDER
THAT COULD
HAVE BEEN TREATED.
AND I FOUND FROM THE LETTERS
THAT I GET,
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT
AND 12 YEARS IS A POINT
OF WHERE REGRET
SETS IN,
AND THAT'S WHY MY WEB
SITE'S SO POPULAR.
AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T
GET A LOT OF PEOPLE
WRITING ME NASTY NOTES
BECAUSE MANY
OF THE TRANSGENDERS
WHO WRITE ME SAY,
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE HAD REGRET AT EIGHT YEARS
OR 12 YEARS
OR LIKE ONE OF THEM
WROTE ME TWO WEEKS AGO,
FIFTEEN YEARS LATER.
I'VE HAD THEM WRITE ME
ABOUT THEIR REGRET,
TWO PEOPLE AS EARLY
AS THREE WEEKS,
TO ONE OF THEM
AT 30 YEARS,
AND HE SAID IT TOOK
15 YEARS FOR HIM TO ADMIT
THAT HE MADE
A MISTAKE.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE THING
TO SUGGEST THAT SOMEONE
BEGIN TO MANIPULATE BODY
PARTS WHEN THEY HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY,
IF GIVEN TO THEM,
TO HAVE SOME DISORDER
DIAGNOSED
AND PROPERLY TREATED BY
SOMEBODY WHO'S AUTHENTIC
AND WILLING TO WORK
WITH THEM.
IT'LL TAKE TIME.
THIS IS NOT EASY.
ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT DRIVES THIS
IS THAT THE SEX-CHANGE
SURGERIES,
LIKE ONE
IN PARTICULAR,
IS MAKING $1,200,000
A YEAR
DOING THE SURGERIES.
IT WOULDN'T BE FINANCIALLY
EFFECTIVE FOR THEM
TO COME OUT AND SAY THAT
IT ISN'T A GOOD IDEA.
I DON'T MAKE ANYTHING
FROM THIS.
I'M NOT A 5013C.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FINANCIAL
BENEFITS FROM THIS.
I WANT TO SAVE THE LIVES,
AS MANY OF THOSE THAT I CAN,
AND I WANT PEOPLE
TO GET
THE TREATMENT
AND HELP THEY NEED.
I WANT TO CHANGE
THE DYNAMIC.
I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW
THAT GOD DOES KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON
WITH YOU.
HE DOES KNOW THAT
YOU'RE STRUGGLING,
BUT WE NEED CHURCHES TO
REACH OUT TO THESE PEOPLE
AND NOT SAY, WE DON'T WANT
YOUR KIND IN OUR CHURCH.
THOSE ARE EXACTLY THE
KIND WE WANT IN THE CHURCH
BECAUSE THROUGH THE CHURCH,
WE HAVE THE RESOURCES.
THAT'S NOT
THE QUESTION.
THE QUESTION IS, DOES THE
CHURCH HAVE THE DESIRE?
DOES IT HAVE
THE WILLINGNESS?
>> WOW, WHAT AN
INCREDIBLE JOURNEY
GOD TOOK WALTER ON.
AS YOU HEARD FROM WALTER,
THERE ARE MANY OUT THERE
THAT WILL GIVE YOU
BAD COUNSEL,
SETTING YOUR LIFE ON
A COURSE FOR DESTRUCTION.
THEN THERE ARE OTHERS
WHO WILL TRY TO HELP YOU,
BUT NEVER SEEM TO TRULY
AFFECT CHANGE IN YOUR LIFE.
I HOPE YOU NOTICE
WHERE THE ONLY ONE TRUE
TRANSFORMING POWER CAME
FROM, JESUS CHRIST.
IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE ARE
TRAPPED IN THE BONDAGE
OF SIN, MANIFESTING ITSELF
IN GENDER CONFUSION,
HOMOSEXUAL CONFUSION,
OR ANY FORM
OF SEXUAL BROKENNESS,
PLEASE SEEK HELP.
FIND TRUSTED RESOURCES AT
RESTOREDHOPENETWORK.ORG,
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY,
SEEK GOD AND ASK HIM
FOR THE GRACIOUS GIFT
OF BEING PARDONED
FROM YOUR SIN.
JESUS HAS PAID IT ALL
FOR YOU.
ASK HIM TO BE YOUR
LORD AND SAVIOR,
AND HE WILL SEND HIS
HELPER THE HOLY SPIRIT
TO ENABLE YOU TO REPENT AND
TURN AWAY FROM YOUR SINS.
AS A RESULT, YOU
WILL NOT ONLY ENJOY
RICH FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD
WHILE YOU ARE ON EARTH,
BUT YOU WILL LIVE FOREVER
WITH HIM IN ETERNITY.
I'M JONATHAN DAUGHERTY.
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