Steven, don't you think these animals that are killed
want to love as much as you or I do
in fact isn't this just a rationalization for murdering inncocent creatures
to shoot innocent animals
animals that have beating hearts that run from you simply because they want to live
they're not armed with copper bullets or lead bullets
I think you're not really asking a question, you're making a point, but I'm going to answer it like a question.
I would say that if you if you look at
the grand spectrum of of species on this
planet and you treat humans like a species
you know we're one
you'll you'll not find many that
don't pray on other kinds. People say
generally
behaviorally anatomically modern humans
have been around three seventy five
thousand years. On this continent alone, people hunted for fifteen thousand years
not withstanding the last couple hundred
years
So to not hunt is in some way, historically
off the mark, it's a new- to not hunt is a 
a fairly new experiment in human
sense. To ask a wolf not to hunt anymore
is an impossible question, you know
so if someone comes to me and says that they don't
want human hunting that we don't wanna hunt, I
kinda like- coming from what
perspective?
The life is sacred
Yeah, I know the life is sacred
but i think that
what I get, what I admire is not-
I admire the deer, but
I admire the idea of the deer more than
the individual deer, and I
can assure you that I know more about
deer than you ever will
and I've learned that through hunting for them and
I probably care about them in a way
that's deeper than something you're gonna
experience from having a removed
perspective on it.
But I really- beyond that I can't really say
that much because
like all predatory animals with canine
teeth
we eat meat.
And if you're going to eat it
if you're going to agree that some
people can eat it and do eat it
I don't think you can fairly point them 
out of a hundred and say that he's the vicious one
because he chose to go out and harvest it
himself and that the other people who
just have an
other perspective on it or let it go on
outside of their view are A-OK
I just think it's ridiculous
but like I said, I don't really think you're
really asking the question, I understand what
you're saying and
No I want to ask you, I want to thank you
if you'll read my pamphlet on veganism, I'll read your book.
Really? How long is your pamphlet?
It'll take you much less time than a book.
It's a deal man, I'll read it tonight, I promise
Honestly I respect where you're coming from because I have always had admiration
for like the cohesiveness and clarity of veganism. It doesn't strike me as
being um...
unusual. It doesn't strike me as being anything other than perspective.
It's- I would rather hang out, I would rather
have you over for dinner
than someone who is feeding their pet
you know little chunks of meat they buy at the store and then acting like I'm some kind of
vicious animal for killing a deer so.
