>>> A FEDERAL JUDGE TODAY
>>> A FEDERAL JUDGE TODAY UNLOADING ON FORMER TRUMP AIDE
UNLOADING ON FORMER TRUMP AIDE MICHAEL FLYNN SAYING, KEEP
MICHAEL FLYNN SAYING, KEEP TALKING TO THE FEDS AND YOU MAY
TALKING TO THE FEDS AND YOU MAY GO TO JAIL DESPITE MUELLER’S
GO TO JAIL DESPITE MUELLER’S RECOMMENDATION OTHERWISE.
RECOMMENDATION OTHERWISE. I WANT TO GO DEEPER.
I WANT TO GO DEEPER. I THINK THE IMPLICATIONS ARE
I THINK THE IMPLICATIONS ARE BIG.
BIG. THE JUDGE DID EVISCERATE MORE
THE JUDGE DID EVISCERATE MORE THAN FLYNN’S LAST LEGAL FILING.
THAN FLYNN’S LAST LEGAL FILING. THE JUDGE ALSO, ALTHOUGH IT MAY
THE JUDGE ALSO, ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HIS GOAL,
NOT HAVE BEEN HIS GOAL, DESTROYED A TRUMPIAN, HANNITY,
DESTROYED A TRUMPIAN, HANNITY, FOX NEWS SET OF CONSPIRACY
FOX NEWS SET OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES YOU MAY HAVE HEARD,
THEORIES YOU MAY HAVE HEARD, CALLING FLYNN ON THE CARPET,
CALLING FLYNN ON THE CARPET, PUSHING HIM TO COME CLEAN.
PUSHING HIM TO COME CLEAN. IN THE END WHAT WE SAW IN A
IN THE END WHAT WE SAW IN A WIDER POLITICAL SENSE, IF YOU
WIDER POLITICAL SENSE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, A MEDIA
WANT TO CALL IT THAT, A MEDIA SENSE, WAS TRUMP TALKING POINTS
SENSE, WAS TRUMP TALKING POINTS AND RIGHT-WING MEDIA
AND RIGHT-WING MEDIA CONSPIRACIES DEMOLISHED.
CONSPIRACIES DEMOLISHED. TAKE ONE OF THEM.
TAKE ONE OF THEM. A NEW CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT
A NEW CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT FLYNN ALREADY TOOK BACK TODAY,
FLYNN ALREADY TOOK BACK TODAY, THAT HE DIDN’T KNOW LYING TO THE
THAT HE DIDN’T KNOW LYING TO THE FBI WAS A CRIME.
FBI WAS A CRIME. TODAY THE JUDGE GOT FLYNN TO
TODAY THE JUDGE GOT FLYNN TO ADMIT HE ALWAYS, THE WHOLE TIME,
ADMIT HE ALWAYS, THE WHOLE TIME, KNEW THAT LYING TO THE FEDS WAS
KNEW THAT LYING TO THE FEDS WAS CRIMINAL AND WRONG.
CRIMINAL AND WRONG. >> SOME PEOPLE SAY HE LIED.
>> SOME PEOPLE SAY HE LIED. SOME PEOPLE SAY HE DIDN’T LIE.
SOME PEOPLE SAY HE DIDN’T LIE. >> MICHAEL FLYNN TOLD THE TRUTH
>> MICHAEL FLYNN TOLD THE TRUTH AND MUELLER PROSECUTED HIM FOR
AND MUELLER PROSECUTED HIM FOR LYING.
LYING. >> HE SAT DOWN THERE, THEY
>> HE SAT DOWN THERE, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST TALKING
THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST TALKING AROUND TWO BUDDIES, AND THEY
AROUND TWO BUDDIES, AND THEY USED THAT TO HIS ADVANTAGE.
USED THAT TO HIS ADVANTAGE. >> THEN THERE WAS A TALKING
>> THEN THERE WAS A TALKING POINT THAT MAYBE LYING ISN’T A
POINT THAT MAYBE LYING ISN’T A REAL CRIME.
REAL CRIME. LET’S RUN THROUGH THE FACTS.
LET’S RUN THROUGH THE FACTS. THE JUDGE TELLING FLYNN, THIS
THE JUDGE TELLING FLYNN, THIS WAS A VERY SERIOUS CRIMINAL
WAS A VERY SERIOUS CRIMINAL OFFENSE.
OFFENSE. >> FLYNN DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME
>> FLYNN DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME BY LYING.
BY LYING. >> WHAT YOU HAVE ARE THESE
>> WHAT YOU HAVE ARE THESE INFRACTIONS.
INFRACTIONS. PULLING OFF MATTRESS TAGS,
PULLING OFF MATTRESS TAGS, JAYWALKING, PARKING TICKETS.
JAYWALKING, PARKING TICKETS. >> JAYWALKING, NO.
>> JAYWALKING, NO. THE JUDGE EVISCERATED THAT
THE JUDGE EVISCERATED THAT ARGUMENT.
ARGUMENT. THEN ALL THIS TALK, ESPECIALLY
THEN ALL THIS TALK, ESPECIALLY FROM SEAN HANNITY THAT MAYBE
FROM SEAN HANNITY THAT MAYBE NONE OF THIS EVEN MATTERS
NONE OF THIS EVEN MATTERS BECAUSE MICHAEL FLYNN WAS A
BECAUSE MICHAEL FLYNN WAS A PATRIOT.
PATRIOT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I’VE
I WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I’VE SAID THIS BEFORE ON THE SHOW,
SAID THIS BEFORE ON THE SHOW, WHAT MICHAEL FLYNN DID
WHAT MICHAEL FLYNN DID THROUGHOUT A CAREER IN THE
THROUGHOUT A CAREER IN THE MILITARY MAY BE VERY COURAGEOUS
MILITARY MAY BE VERY COURAGEOUS AND ADMISHL.
AND ADMISHL. BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT WAS IN COURT
BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT WAS IN COURT TODAY.
TODAY. BEING A PATRIOT AND BEING
BEING A PATRIOT AND BEING COURAGEOUS DOESN’T GIVE YOU
COURAGEOUS DOESN’T GIVE YOU LICENSE TO CRIME.
LICENSE TO CRIME. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT. TODAY WHAT’S NEW IS FLYNN NOT
TODAY WHAT’S NEW IS FLYNN NOT ONLY ADMITTING TO IT, BUT
ONLY ADMITTING TO IT, BUT WALKING THIS ALL BACK AS A
WALKING THIS ALL BACK AS A JUDGE, AN INDEPENDENT FEDERAL
JUDGE, AN INDEPENDENT FEDERAL JUDGE, SAID THIS SO-CALLED
JUDGE, SAID THIS SO-CALLED PATRIOT ALSO WENT ON LATER TO
PATRIOT ALSO WENT ON LATER TO SELL HIS COUNTRY OUT.
SELL HIS COUNTRY OUT. >> HIS LIFE’S WORK, 33 YEARS OF
>> HIS LIFE’S WORK, 33 YEARS OF SERVING HIS COUNTRY WASHED DOWN
SERVING HIS COUNTRY WASHED DOWN THE DRAIN FOR THIS?
THE DRAIN FOR THIS? REPUTATION DESTROYED FOR THIS?
REPUTATION DESTROYED FOR THIS? NOBODY IN THE FBI THOUGHT THIS
NOBODY IN THE FBI THOUGHT THIS MAN LIED.
MAN LIED. 33 YEARS OF SERVICE, FIVE YEARS
33 YEARS OF SERVICE, FIVE YEARS IN COMBAT IN IRAQ AND
IN COMBAT IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN, AND THIS IS THE
AFGHANISTAN, AND THIS IS THE TREATMENT, THIS IS THE THANKS
TREATMENT, THIS IS THE THANKS THIS THE COUNTRY GIVES HIM?
THIS THE COUNTRY GIVES HIM? >> FORMER WATERGATE PROSECUTOR
>> FORMER WATERGATE PROSECUTOR NICK ACKERMAN JOINS ME.
NICK ACKERMAN JOINS ME. YOU’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS DAY
YOU’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS DAY A LONG TIME.
A LONG TIME. >> I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO
>> I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, I KNEW
I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, I KNEW THAT FLYNN COULDN’T POSSIBLY BE
THAT FLYNN COULDN’T POSSIBLY BE SENTENCED TODAY BECAUSE HE’S
SENTENCED TODAY BECAUSE HE’S GOING TO BE A WITNESS IN A
GOING TO BE A WITNESS IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TRIALS.
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TRIALS. AND I THINK THE JUDGE’S DISGUST,
AND I THINK THE JUDGE’S DISGUST, UNDERSTAND WHY HE SAID FLYNN
UNDERSTAND WHY HE SAID FLYNN SOLD OUT HIS COUNTRY, YOU HAVE
SOLD OUT HIS COUNTRY, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE JUDGE SAW
TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE JUDGE SAW INFORMATION THAT NONE OF US SAW.
INFORMATION THAT NONE OF US SAW. HE SAW MORE OF THE BACKGROUND
HE SAW MORE OF THE BACKGROUND FACTS AS TO WHY FLYNN LIED.
FACTS AS TO WHY FLYNN LIED. >> YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE
>> YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE SEEING THESE REDACTED DOCUMENTS.
SEEING THESE REDACTED DOCUMENTS. >> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. >> THAT THIS JUDGE, SAYING HOW
>> THAT THIS JUDGE, SAYING HOW DISGUSTED HE WAS, HE’S GOT THE
DISGUSTED HE WAS, HE’S GOT THE REDACTIONS, HE’S GOT OTHER
REDACTIONS, HE’S GOT OTHER SECRET MATERIALS.
SECRET MATERIALS. ALTHOUGH HE’S ABOUT NOT GOING TO
ALTHOUGH HE’S ABOUT NOT GOING TO REVEAL THEM, YOU’RE SAYING
REVEAL THEM, YOU’RE SAYING THAT’S THE FOUNDATION OF SOME OF
THAT’S THE FOUNDATION OF SOME OF HIS REACTION?
HIS REACTION? >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. FLYNN PLED GUILTY, HE HAD TO
FLYNN PLED GUILTY, HE HAD TO PLEAD TO THE ELEMENT OF
PLEAD TO THE ELEMENT OF MATERIALITY.
MATERIALITY. YOU CAN’T JUST LIE ABOUT THE
YOU CAN’T JUST LIE ABOUT THE COLOR OF SOCKS OR WHAT YOU ATE
COLOR OF SOCKS OR WHAT YOU ATE FOR BREAKFAST IN THE MORNING.
FOR BREAKFAST IN THE MORNING. IT HAS TO BE MATERIAL TO THE
IT HAS TO BE MATERIAL TO THE FBI’S INVESTIGATION.
FBI’S INVESTIGATION. AND HE ADMITTED AT THE TIME THAT
AND HE ADMITTED AT THE TIME THAT HIS LIE WAS MATERIAL TO THE
HIS LIE WAS MATERIAL TO THE FBI’S INVESTIGATION INTO THE
FBI’S INVESTIGATION INTO THE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP
COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE RUSSIA
CAMPAIGN AND THE RUSSIA GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. >> RIGHT, WHICH GOES TO
>> RIGHT, WHICH GOES TO SOMETHING BIGGER THAN WHAT WE
SOMETHING BIGGER THAN WHAT WE KNOW PUBLICLY.
KNOW PUBLICLY. AS TO THE WIDER RECEPTION, I
AS TO THE WIDER RECEPTION, I WANT TO GET YOU ON THIS.
WANT TO GET YOU ON THIS. WE SHOWED SOME OF WHAT WAS BLOWN
WE SHOWED SOME OF WHAT WAS BLOWN UP FROM TALKING POINTS ON THE
UP FROM TALKING POINTS ON THE RIGHT.
RIGHT. HERE’S SHEP SMITH ON FOX NEWS
HERE’S SHEP SMITH ON FOX NEWS ACKNOWLEDGING SOME OF THIS BLEW
ACKNOWLEDGING SOME OF THIS BLEW UP IN FLYNN’S FACE.
UP IN FLYNN’S FACE. >> YOU HEARD THE THEORY FLOATED
>> YOU HEARD THE THEORY FLOATED BY THE WHITE HOUSE, AND ITS
BY THE WHITE HOUSE, AND ITS DEFENDERS HERE AND ELSEWHERE,
DEFENDERS HERE AND ELSEWHERE, WHICH ALL BLEW UP TODAY.
WHICH ALL BLEW UP TODAY. MICHAEL FLYNN HIMSELF SAID HE’S
MICHAEL FLYNN HIMSELF SAID HE’S NOT CHALLENGING THE
NOT CHALLENGING THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE INTERVIEW,
CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE INTERVIEW, THAT HE KNEW LYING TO THE FEDS
THAT HE KNEW LYING TO THE FEDS WAS A CRIME WHEN HE LIED TO THE
WAS A CRIME WHEN HE LIED TO THE FEDS, THAT HE WAS NOT ENTRAPPED,
FEDS, THAT HE WAS NOT ENTRAPPED, THAT HE WAS GUILTY.
THAT HE WAS GUILTY. >> THAT’S EXACTLY THE LYING THAT
>> THAT’S EXACTLY THE LYING THAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN TAKING,
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN TAKING, INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP, SAYING
INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP, SAYING THAT HE COULD GET INTO A PERJURY
THAT HE COULD GET INTO A PERJURY TRAP, HE COULD BE ENTRAPPED.
TRAP, HE COULD BE ENTRAPPED. THE PROBLEM IS, ENTRAPMENT
THE PROBLEM IS, ENTRAPMENT DOESN’T MEAN WHAT RUDY GIULIANI
DOESN’T MEAN WHAT RUDY GIULIANI AND DONALD TRUMP SAY IT MEANS.
AND DONALD TRUMP SAY IT MEANS. IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE JURY
IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE JURY CHARGE FOR ENTRAMPMENT, JUST
CHARGE FOR ENTRAMPMENT, JUST TAKING A COUPLE OF LINES HERE.
TAKING A COUPLE OF LINES HERE. WHILE THE LAW PERMITS GOVERNMENT
WHILE THE LAW PERMITS GOVERNMENT AGENTS TO TRAP AN UNWARY
AGENTS TO TRAP AN UNWARY CRIMINAL-MINDED PERSON, THE LAW
CRIMINAL-MINDED PERSON, THE LAW DOES NOT PERMIT A GOVERNMENT
DOES NOT PERMIT A GOVERNMENT AGENT TO ENTRAP AN UNWARY
AGENT TO ENTRAP AN UNWARY INNOCENT PERSON.
INNOCENT PERSON. THUS A DEFENDANT MAY NOT BE
THUS A DEFENDANT MAY NOT BE CONVICTED OF A CRIME IF IT WAS A
CONVICTED OF A CRIME IF IT WAS A GOVERNMENT AGENT WHO GAVE THE
GOVERNMENT AGENT WHO GAVE THE DEFENDANT THE IDEA TO COMMIT THE
DEFENDANT THE IDEA TO COMMIT THE CRIME AND THAT THE DEFENDANT WAS
CRIME AND THAT THE DEFENDANT WAS READY AND WILLING TO COMMIT THE
READY AND WILLING TO COMMIT THE CRIME BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT
CRIME BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENTS PUT HIM UP TO
OFFICIAL OR AGENTS PUT HIM UP TO IT.
IT. >> YOU’RE SAYING IT TAKES MORE
>> YOU’RE SAYING IT TAKES MORE THAN GUILT.
THAN GUILT. NICK ACKERMAN BRINGING HOMEWORK,
NICK ACKERMAN BRINGING HOMEWORK, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE THAT.
WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WHAT YOU’RE REALLY
I THINK WHAT YOU’RE REALLY SAYING IS THE FBI WORKS PRETTY
SAYING IS THE FBI WORKS PRETTY HARD, AND IT’S NOT A TRAP HOUSE?
HARD, AND IT’S NOT A TRAP HOUSE? >> THAT’S RIGHT.
>> THAT’S RIGHT. AND IT’S NOT A PERJURY TRAP.
AND IT’S NOT A PERJURY TRAP. IT’S NOT LIKE --
IT’S NOT LIKE -- >> NOT A PERJURY TRAP HOUSE.
>> NOT A PERJURY TRAP HOUSE. >> IT’S NOT LIKE THE AGENT TOLD
>> IT’S NOT LIKE THE AGENT TOLD HIM TO LIE.
HIM TO LIE. >> NO.
>> NO. >> THAT’S THE ONLY WAY YOU HAVE
>> THAT’S THE ONLY WAY YOU HAVE ENTRAPMENT.
ENTRAPMENT. >> THE FBI DOCUMENTS, NOT ONLY
>> THE FBI DOCUMENTS, NOT ONLY DID THEY NOT TELL THE LIE, THEY
