>The Fatima miracle: there are
things you should know about
it. 
And here to discuss the Fatima
miracle is a man
who has just returned from
Fatima, Portugal, L.A. Marzulli.
>>Great to be here Gary, thanks
for having me on! >You know
we've had 
a discussion on a previous
program about the Fatima
miracle and we
talked about it for thirty
minutes and really didn't come
to the end 
but we did come a, I think a
good stopping
point where we need to talk
about what really happened at
Fatima, 
that's relevant to us today in
the 21st century. 
>>Well we are told in prophecy
in our Bibles
that Satan comes with all signs
and lying wonders, that there
would be false 
signs and miracles in the
latter days. And it's up to
each 
person to decide as they
examine the evidence that we
have in the film, was 
this a false sign and lying
wonder? In my opinion it was. 
It certainly wasn't the sun,
we've talked about that in the
last program.
The sun didn't leave its place
in the solar system and descend
to earth. 
Everything, the entire solar
system would have been
eradicated, and 
there'd be nothing left, we
wouldn't be sitting here
talking about it, if that was
the case. So 
something else appeared. And as
we stated last time 
according to numerous
eye-witnesses that were
actually there in that filed
October 13th
1917, upwards of 70,000 people
and they're waiting for
something to happen. Because
they were told something
miraculous, wondrous 
would happen on the 13th of
October 1917. 
70,000 people were waiting, all
of a sudden--it's been raining
all night-- all the 
coats are wet, a sea of
umbrellas, we show that in the
film. Lots of umbrellas, black
and
white photographs-- >Even on
the cover of your DVD you've
got a >>Right, shows that. 
>photographic reproduction of
the crowd. Actually, who's
going to go out
in the morning at sunrise 
>>And wait for hours. >And wade
through the mud
and get soaking wet. You've
really got to be motivated. 
>>And people are soaking wet.
It's been raining all night,
all morning, and all of a
sudden around 12:00 
the clouds part there's the
sun, but nothing is happening. 
And then another cloud comes in
front of the sun. And out of
this cloud 
comes an object, a metallic
object which begins to 
spin and throw off colors and
descend to the earth. And then
eventually do a flyby. And 
as we discussed in our last
interview we've got witnesses
that 
state 'I looked up and saw a
dull silver disc' and remember
in 
1917 there's no words in the
lexicon for 'UFO'
or 'flying saucer'. >Right.
>>That wouldn't come till, you
know, decades later. 
So people say 'dull silver
disc' because that's what it
looked like, it was
a dull silver disc. We even
have a priest who at the 
time as a young boy, later on
in life he becomes a priest.
And he says the disc
turned from--into a tan color.
The disc turned
to a tan color. He calls it a
disc. So it's not the sun that
descended. 
And because of that and all the
other phenomena that's 
linked with the so-called
miracle of the sun, >Right.
>>that's what we found
interesting. 
>And it did a flyby. We talked
about that last time, 
it did a flyby over the crowd,
sounds like an airshow almost. 
But when it did it apparently
radiated some kind of heat that 
dried out the clothing of the
people who were present. But it
also caused skin burns, >>Skin
burns, yeah. 
>and it popped out automobile
windshields, it caught 
nearby parked cars on fire
somehow. 
Maybe heating the oil, you
know, or the gasoline into--
I don't know, they didn't say
apparently. But we're
talking about what seems to us
in the 21st century like a
technological 
phenomenon. That is to say,
something with great power that
had the
ability to radiate heat is
going to set cars on fire, it's
going to 
do skin burns on people, >>Mhm.
>and it's going to dry their
clothes out. And we 
don't think of anything
supernatural when we think of
that, we think of 
like an energy projecting
device of some sort. 
And that really happened in
1917.
>>It happened. 70,000 people
that were in that field, their
paradigm 
their worldview was completely
rocked. Completely rocked. 
Changed. Many people were
terrified of what was going on.
There was
nothing in their paradigm to,
what am I looking at? Remember 
there's no aircraft in Portugal
in 1917. Maybe one or two 
planes. Most people in that
field were illiterate. 
Most people couldn't read or
write, they were illiterate.
And yet there were lawyers and
clergy and medical 
doctors and dentists who were
learned who looked up and their
testimony is on the record, and
they stated--and again we go
back to the
1917 documents which are
hand-written >Right. >>from the
witness testimonies. 
Looked up and saw a dull silver
disc. So what are we to make of
that? We have 
essentially with all due
respect, we have two Fatimas.
We have the Fatima that most
people know, think that they
know that it was the Mary of
the Bible 
who appears to these three
children and there were secrets
which were revealed. 
And then the original Fatima
which is completely different.
The
entity never says she's Mary,
number one. Number two, when
asked 'where do you come from'
she says 'I come from the sky'.
And the way she was
dressed was provocative. We
talked a little bit about this
in the
film, probably get more into it
in part two. But the entity 
and again I'm not trying to
disparage anyone's belief
systems, you can believe
whatever
you want to. But according to
the eye-witnesses, according to
Lucia, 
Francisco and Jacinta who were
the three seers who saw
this being, this entity. She
appeared with a short
skirt, slightly below the
knees. And when Lucia 
and the other seers told the
priest this they
were taken aback. Because in
Portugal at the time 
1917 prostitutes didn't wear
dresses like this. 
And when we go back into the
historical record and we look at
pictures of the goddess Diana
the huntswoman, right? 
she's wearing a short skirt.
Now I'm not saying what was
there was Diana, we don't know
what was there. 
But I don't think it was Mary
of the Bible, in my opinion.
And if 
it wasn't then what was it? And
this
troubled the parish priest
greatly, because 
'what do you mean she had a
skirt just below the knee? And
that-- >So maybe we're edging
into the goddess mythology. 
The goddess ethos of some sort,
which has always been on the 
dark side. We think of Diana of
the Ephesians you know, 
and her followers contested
Paul in Ephesus, 
and of course the worship of
Diana 
went way, way, way back and
went all through Europe 
and in a semi-literal 
class of people in the early
20th century, you cold
easily find that sort of
worship going on. So 
now this brings us to something
I really want to talk about,
because 
apparently there were various
phenomena that we would call
psychic phenomena
>>Mhm. >involved in this whole
event. Let's go into that a
minute. 
>>It's interesting, and we
discovered this when we were
there. We actually
met with a psychic who hails
back
to a 1917 group of psychics
that met. 
His--you know he's like a
modern counterpart of what
happened in 
1917. It's the same group. This
group of psychics were meeting, 
they call themselves
'spiritualists' and they were
conducting sèances 
in 1917. And there was a group
of them that were meeting 
and they were engaged in
automatic writing. 
Automatic writing, we are told
in the Bible, things like this
we're not 
supposed to engage in because
we're contacting entities 
which are, in my opinion first
of all demonic and highly
malevolent. So in
Deuteronomy we're told not to
engage in necromancy which is
basically 
what this is. And these men and
women are together and they are
writing from right to left,
okay, 
something it's very difficult
to do like da Vinci did, and
you can
only see in a mirror. >The
mirror image. >>It's a mirror
image. So it's right from left
and
they sign it, the entity which
is giving this message which
states something 
wondrous will happen on May 13,
1917. 
So it's calling out the date
with great specificity. It's a
setup. 
So why would something
benevolent and wonderful, why
would the God of the
Bible choose mediumship to
announce something that's going
to happen?
That's mixing the kingdom of
darkness with the kingdom of
light. 
So you can't have it both ways,
and the fact that the mediums
published 
this in the paper in Lisbon
announcing that on May 13th
something 
wondrous was going to happen in
Portugal and it was signed
"Stella
Matutina", the bright morning
star. >Hm. >>And that in itself 
is controversial because we
know that Jesus is called 'the
bright morning start' 
but not so fast. We also know
that Lucifer 
is called 'the light-bringer' 
>He is. >and it gets very
complex. But in my opinion
this was demonically charged, 
this so-called letter, this
announcement 
and I find it very curious that
on May 13th
1917 something did happen. >And
it happened for
a reason. And perhaps we don't
know the reason,
but we're talking about a globe
on fire in 
1917, the era of >>World War I,
sure. >World War I and
social upheaval. 1917 just
happens to be the
year of the Bolshevik
Revolution, which began a
killing spree
that ended up killing 100
million people. >>Right. 
>So 1917 was a pivotal year.
And this was
would suggest that the dark
side was aware of something
large that was taking place at
that time. 
>>Again not trying to disparage
anyone's belief that people
want to believe in 
the official events of Fatima,
we're not
twisting anyone's arm or
anything, believe what you want
to believe. But the research
that we uncovered 
the psychic, the whole dynamic
of the psychics coming together
and writing about this I find 
very troubling. And I think
most Christians who know their
Bibles would also find that
element of the story 
extremely troubling, because
it's there, Stella Matutina.
And something
else that we discovered which
again is not part of--most
people don't know this. 
The day before May 13th there
was another apparition site
where another entity appeared.
>Hm. >>So there are hundreds of
apparition sites all through
Portugal. And again, 
even before the Roman times
with the goddess Diana, there's
another
feminine deity which is there,
Moura, 
and she is worshiped and she
has priests who are castrated 
priests. So this whole
matriarchal society is steeped 
in antiquity through Portugal.
I would even go 
as far as to say it's a
territorial spirit like Paul
warns us in Ephesians 6 which
has never been deposed, ever
been deposed. It still reigns.
>And 
for the time being it's sort of
staying 
quietly in the background, but
the power is there. And in 
fact as you're talking I"m
looking in my Bible at
Ephesians 
and we have the
whole story in Ephesians of
spiritual warfare. In fact the 
whole epistle of Ephesians 
is all about spiritual warfare.
But if you want to read
about spiritual warfare you
read about the
principalities, the powers, the
rulers of the darkness 
in heavenly places. >>Mhm. >And
what they do. 
And the book of Ephesians talks
about how they are engaged 
in what might be called a
propaganda war. 
And the book of Ephesians is
not usually called an
anti-propaganda epistle, but
that's
what it's all about. Paul from
cover to cover 
there in this little book talks
about the behind the scenes
power
and as you're telling your
story of what happened at
Fatima 
to me that's what happening.
There is some kind
of large-scale event that did
something that maybe we're not
fully aware of at the
time of all this revolution in
Europe, 1917. >>You've got
some very troubling dynamics in
the original 1917 records.
You've got
the psychics which are
predicting something, signed
Stella Matutina, 
you've got when Lucia,
Francisco and Jacinta see
this entity, she's
communicating first of all
voice to skull telepathically.
I find that incredibly 
curious because we know that
from the Biblical account when
angels 
appear there's no telepathic
nonsense going on. It's
right--the angel speaks to
Mary, you know. 
And the angel speaks to Daniel.
It's not
telepathic. I find that very
curious. 
So you've got Stella Matutina,
the psychics, you've got the
idea about 
this entity is communicating
telepathically with the
children, 
you have the dynamic where the
entity is wearing a very short
skirt, 
and then of course the miracle
of the sun, another misnomer 
it's not the sun which appears
that day, and you've got all
the phenomena which is going 
along with that. You've got the
drying of the clothes, the
drying of the ground, the
breaking
--the shattering of the
windshields, the hoods of the
cars flying up, the engines 
spontaneously combusting.
People were terrified of what
was going on. 
And so again in 1917 people had
never seen anything--there's no
way to
people can process this kind of
information. It's
completely--no one is sitting
there challenging this. 
No one is saying 'in the name
of Jesus, you know, leave. The
Lord rebuke you. No one is
doing that. They're just
standing there in that field
and accepting whatever comes.
And the purpose of what we're
trying to do 
that's why I call it a
harbinger of deception. Because
we're
told all signs and lying
wonders. If that's
true, and we're moving into
that time, 1917 the Balfour
Declaration, 
think about that. Israel coming
back into the home just decades
later. The enemy 
can see this and so he's
positioning himself and I think
that's what
Fatima is about. >Yeah, and I'm
glad you mentioned the Balfour
Declaration of 1917, 
everything was changing very
rapidly >>Rapidly. >in that
particular 
year. And it makes sense that
the demonic side 
would be disturbed. >>Very much
so. >They would
want to get their input in if
at all possible. 
And where to do it better than
a small, sort of 
primitive country, out of the
way, 
but a situation set up that
would affect the whole world. 
And there you have it. And by
the
way, if you really want to get
into the details of this, I
highly 
recommend this DVD that
has been put together. It's
called "Fatima: Miracle of the
Sun Or
Harbinger of Deception?" L.A. I
think has 
outdone himself in this one
because it's more than a
documentary. And you go behind
the scenes, >>Mhm. >and you
talk to people
who most of us would never even
know existed, let alone talk
to. 
And they document what went on.
I love
that some of the people there,
PhDs, 
you know, who actually have
gone to the trouble to diagram 
what happened. And you show the
diagrams and everything. It's
remarkable. 
>>What they did is they took
pictures in the field,
photographers 
were there. And there's what's
called a flyby, with this
object which I believe 
was a UFO, a dull silver disc,
what does that sound like? Did
a 
flyby 100 feet over the heads
of the crowd. >Yeah. >>That's
not the sun. 
We wouldn't be here. So this
thing flies by and we have
photographs of where the people
were. And by this, Joaquim 
Fernandes, Fina D'Armada and
others researched this. >Right.
>>They looked at the pictures 
and they plotted and they were
able to contact these people. 
They contacted the people
decades later
and they went and asked, 'what
did you see?' and this is
what's amazing about
it, there were--there were all
these witnesses, 28 people, 
who came on the record coming
on dull silver discs, spinning
discs, 
silver orbs, bright shiny orbs. 
That's what--I mean that's what
is in the record. And they 
have certain phenomena which
happens to them, their clothes
are dry. 
They have--they hear the
buzzing of bees
they have a sense of euphoria.
All these--you know, 28 people
citing different things which
are happening to them. >Mhm.
>>Physiological 
things. So it's a fascinating
study, but it was not
the sun. >And what's
interesting to me is that there
are
70,000 UFO witnesses.
(chuckles) >>Basically, yeah. 
>And scared to death, people
from 
primitive rural society, and
they would have to be thinking,
'wow, this is of God, 
somehow.' So there you have a
fascinating story
I want to break over into
another area at this point in 
time, because you have devoted
much
of the last few years of your
life documenting the 
UFO phenomena in general. All
over the world people are
experiencing it in different
ways. The military is
experiencing 
>>Mhm. >ordinary citizens,
people--your next door
neighbor. 
People you might not think who
have much to say
if you could ever get a chance
to talk to them, and you
did. In The Watchman
Chronicles, L.A. has produced
this
DVD called "In Their Own Words"
and
essentially it's interviews
divided up into different 
sections in this DVD. But in
this DVD series
you just have conversations
with ordinary 
people who've had extraordinary
encounters. And when you're
through watching this thing,
you're changed. It changed me 
to watch those people, >>Thank
you. >because they are so
believable. 
And let's kind of bridge over
into that for a minute, >>Sure. 
>What do you think after
talking with so many
witnesses, eye-witnesses,
experiencers? What's going on?
>>We have everything from
people who have seen orbs as
they're
driving in an orb, and Wesley
Sangiorgi does a brilliant job
of 
bringing this all to life
through his computer graphic
imagery, which is just
incredible. 
CGI. And one story, this guy
is driving and all of a sudden
he sees this orange orb
way in the distance. And it's
night, it's like one in the
morning. And they're staring at
it 
and looking at it and pretty
soon this orb just leaves where
it is 
and flies up, and they're
driving at like 60, 70 miles an
hour and paces the 
car. So it's in front of them
and in a blink of an eye it's
next to the car
and it's like 4 or 5 feet in
diameter, and it's glowing and
it's next to the car
and everyone's looking at it
and they're not saying a word.
I call that 'UFO brain fog'.
They
are not saying a word. If you
and I were there we'd be going
'oh my gosh, what's that?'
Rebuke first, ask questions
later. >Yeah. >>That's what we
would do. But they're
mesmerized, there's that word,
mesmerized by it. And then he
says something 
which is just completely
illogical. He goes, 'when the
orb left, 
we didn't say a word, we just
concentrated on our driving.'
>Hm. >>Completely irrational.
Completely irrational. I call
that 
UFO brain fog. We interviewed a
woman, and she--this is when
she's
very young and she's going to a
dance, a church dance, with a
bunch of a girls in a 
car and something like 10 or 12
girls, a big station wagon in a
car, 
and as they're driving to
return everyone home, okay, 
they see a light. And the
light's pacing them.
And unfortunately they pull
over and they get out of the
car and the light's there. And
they realize it's not a truck
it's something else. They begin
to get scared. They pile back
in the 
car, and this woman tells her
sister who was driving, "quick,
let's get out of here, 
let's get out of here." and
then she says something, again
UFO brain fog. "We were
speeding but we weren't
moving." >Hm. 
>>We were speeding but we
weren't moving. And then she 
arrives at the place where
she's going to drop off the
girls
she's got three hours of
missing time. 
And the woman comes out, the
mother comes out irate. 'Where
have you been you were
hours late' And she's going,
'no, we weren't
hours late.' So we've got time
displacement. Al Matthews comes
on the record 
Life-long abductee, he's been
taken from a very early 
childhood and he flees the
eastern coast of Canada to the 
western coast, Vancouver, to
try to get away form the
phenomenon. He's terrified 
of this thing, he wants to be
left alone. One of his episodes
he talks about 
he drives--again UFO brain
fog--he drives past his
exit on the way home from work,
no discernment. Just drives
past it
and of course later on the
entire car is taken aboard a
ship. 
And he awakens from that and
it's like four or 
five hours later, the car is
floating down from the
craft, floating down like this.
Lands, starts itself, and
drives itself until Al is awake
enough 
to grab the wheel. That's the
kind of interviews
we have with people. And we had
one person who is
Mufon and UFOlogy and has
actually written books. And
after she saw the film
she said, 'L.A., I realize that
I have to come across the line. 
And this is absolutely
demonic.' >To me, that's an
amazing admission. >>It really
is. >Because 
someone committed to
documenting a phenomenon in a
particular way 
has a change. Wait a minute,
wait a minute, this has got 
to be spiritual in nature. >>It
is, it's demonic in nature
and it's from the dark side.
It's happening--UFO sitings for
those
of you who don't know have
reached an all-time high. Fox
News 
not some MUFON report, Fox News
did a whole little two--I
actually
show that in my presentation,
it's a two minute little clip,
"UFO sightings have reached an
all-time
high" and they give you all the
numbers. So something is going
on, the church needs to wake up
in my opinion and begin to talk
about it. This is the coming
great deception. >There are
people who
document UFO appearances, one
of them, his name is 
Peter Davenport, >>Sure. >a
gentleman who has been doing
this for years on his own 
time. On his own dime, by the
way. >>Mhm. >He's not a member
of any
foundation that is supported
with millions of
dollars. He just does it
because he thinks that it needs
to be documented. 
And he has reported
consistently 
over the last two or three
years of the exponential 
increase in sightings of all
kinds
>>So something's afoot.
Something's about to happen.
>And again I want to 
read Ephesians chapter 6 where
Paul just 
says, "Finally, my bretheren,"
this is verse 10, "be strong in
the 
Lord, and in the power of his
might. Put on the whole armour
of God, that ye may be able to
stand 
against the wiles of the
devil." Now we read that 
we want to stand against the
wiles of the devil. 
We read that, and we visualize,
well 
what might be the wiles of the
devil? He might try to tempt us
to do something 
that we shouldn't do, he might
break our will so
that maybe we're caught cussing
or something. Wiles of the
devil are used--kind of little
minor temptations. 
They're thought of I think in
classic 
ecclesiastical terminology as
being, mmm, day by
day temptations. But when I
read about the wiles of the 
devil and what Paul then says.
He says
"we wrestle not against flesh
and blood, but against
principalities, against powers,
against the rules of the 
darkness of this world,
spiritual wickedness in
heavenly places"
who would that be? Well that's
exactly what you're talking
about. >>Exactly. >This whole
phenomenon. >>Right. 
>And that should be planted
squarely in the middle
of a pastor's relationship with
his
congregation. >>Mhm. >Because
he's got to warn his
congregation. 
>>And most churches are not.
>Most churches are not doing
that. >>That's why we made the
film. We made the
film really for the people but
also to wake to up the pastors. 
>And you've got to preach on
this because 
Satan is a--I want to call it a 
technological reality. When you
talk about something appearing
and
disappearing, what are you
talking about? Well
you're talking about
inter-dimensionality. Having,
let's
say a technology that's
advanced enough that you can
step from this dimension 
into that one. And Satan and
his minions seem
perfectly capable of doing
that. And we shouldn't think of
that
as black magic or anything
else, that's just that that's
the way they were put together. 
They possess the knowledge and
the 
power to do this. >>Mhm. >And
when the abducted 
people and by the way you do
speak of abduction in the
interviews 
on the DVD. >>Absolutely. >And
everybody poo-poos 
the abduction phenomenon. 'I've
got some guy that says he got
taken out of 
bed and he was hauled through
the window and the window
wasn't even opened.'
And you immediately dismiss it
as some kind 
of wild imagining. But really
it's--we're talking here about
reality here, correct?
>>Absolutely. And 
the church needs to wake up,
that there's a agenda, a very
dark 
agenda by the fallen one
himself, I call it 'the coming
great deception'
and as you and I have talked
about, there's plenty of time
for the rapture in the church
and then those who remain will
be deceived. 
And I think it's coming.
>L.A.'s DVD
"The Watchman Chronicles: In
Their Own Words", I don't know
how to 
tell you how important this is,
but when you hear these 
people, people like yourself
having these experiencing,
honestly
trying to express what happened
to them, it's going to change
the way you
look at the dark side. Along
with
this amazing DVD, "Fatima:
Miracle of the Sun or
Harbinger of Deception?" These
two DVDs are going to give you
a 
perspective, I think it'll even
show you
how you should be praying to
seek the Lord's will in this
dark word. And also we have 
The Watchers series, 11 DVDs of
L.A.'s work
over the years. It's an 11 disc
set, and by the way
we're putting this together as
a package, Fatima and the UFO
Deception 
Package. You'll find it in our
online bookstore. The 
11 disc set, and with that will
come free
"In Their Own Words" and
"Fatima". All of this is
going to give you a kind of
perspective that you really
need. Now we're not talking
about
spooky other-worldly things,
we're talking about spiritual
warfare. 
>>Mhm. >L.A. Marzulli, the
adventurer, the man
who goes to the source and
finds out the truth. And he's
driven 
to do that, and I'm glad he is,
as he shares his work with us. 
L.A., we'll talk to you again.
>>Thank you Gary. >And I'm Gary
Stearman. You keep
watching...we are! 
