[Brown] There are lots of different ways to build a business
and lots of different types of high-performing teams
and kindness isn't always a part of it.
I just think from our point of view
it's the better way to do it.
It's the more fun way to do it.
And I think it's the smartest way to do it.
[Zwillinger] I'm Joey Zwillinger. Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Allbirds.
[Brown] And I'm Tim Brown. Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Allbirds, too.
[Zwillinger] The expectation that if you agree to something and trust is underlying a relationship
until proven otherwise, is a really nice place to start.
[Brown] You're gonna have ups and downs and
things are gonna go well and things are going to go badly and, you know,
you find out what people are made of when things are not going well.
And you've got to believe that you're doing it with someone that's all in,
you've got to believe that you're doing it with someone you respect deeply.
I think when that foundation is strong,
those types of things are good and they're healthy and they build the nicks and scars,
you know, that make a relationship durable for the long term.
You make it fun and you laugh in the face of all the things that go wrong
and all the mistakes you've made and if you're not laughing, you're crying,
and this thing's probably not fun pretty quick
and you're probably packing up your bag and going home.
So from Joey I'm able to draw on the sense that, you know,
"Who cares? This is okay."
You know, we're trying really hard and we can control that and sometimes the outcomes go your way
and sometimes they don't.
[Zwillinger] We hire really talented people, but they have a level of humility,
which means that we're always trying to get better because we're
cognizant of the fact that we're not perfect. I think that is an attribute that just has trickled down from
Tim's demeanor and way of being.
I think we wouldn't be the company we are without that.
[Brown] Appreciate that. Thank you.
That's very nice of you.
Yeah.
