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CHARLES: TOYOTA BECOMING A
SECOND COMPANY TO PAUSE
SELF-DRIVING TESTING FOLLOWING
AN ACCIDENT WHICH AN UBER
SELF-DRIVING VEHICLE STRUCK AND
KILLED A WOMAN IN ARIZONA
LEADING, OF COURSE, TO MANY
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
PUBLIC ROADS ARE READY FOR
SELF-DRIVING CARS.
WITH ME IN A FOX BUSINESS
EXCLUSIVE, THE DRIVE'S EDITOR
AT LARGE AND FOUNDER OF THE
HUMAN DRIVING ASSOCIATION.
THE HUMAN DRIVING ASSOCIATION,
ARE YOU FIGHTING BACK AGAINST
THE ROBOTS FOR US ON OUR
BEHALF?
>> WELL, THE HUMAN DRIVING
ASSOCIATION WAS ORIGINALLY
ALMOST INTENDED TO BE A JOKE.
I WAS JUST SO ANNOYED, I
THOUGHT THE PROPAGANDA AROUND
SELF-
SELF
SELF-DRIVING CARS WHICH ARE NOT
HERE YET AND I DON'T THINK ARE
COMING SOON.
WE SUPPORT THE FAIR AND BALANCE
DEPLOYMENT OF SELF-DRIVING
TECHNOLOGY.
CHARLES: YOU DO UNDERSTAND,
THOUGH, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
PROBABLY BE DEPLOYED SOONER
RATHER THAN LATER.
LISTEN, I REMEMBER TWO YEARS
AGO READING ARTICLES ABOUT FIVE
YEARS FROM NOW OR WHATEVER, AND
YOU KNOW, THEN YOU SAW THE
ACQUISITIONS, THE MOBILIZED AND
EVERYONE IS DOING TESTS
EVERYWHERE ALL AROUND THIS
COUNTRY.
YOU KNOW, BUT YOU'RE CONCERN IS
WE'RE NOT PREPARED FOR IT AS A
SOCIETY AND MAYBE THE
TECHNOLOGY WON'T BE PREPAREED?
>> LET'S BE SERIOUS, WE'RE
GOING TO SEE SELF-DRIVING CARS,
CARS WITHOUT STEERING WHEELS OR
A PERSON IN THE FRONT PROBABLY
IN THE NEXT FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS
BUT IN PLACES WHERE IT IS EASY
TO DEPLOY THEM, PLACES LIKE
ARIZONA.
I DON'T THINK THEY ARE READY
ANY TIME SOON.
CHARLES: ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, IF
THIS IS THE CASE, MY HYPOTHESIS
IS THIS, THERE WILL BE A POINT
WHERE WE'LL HAVE MASS
DISTRIBUTION OR DEPLOYMENT OF
THESE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES, AND
MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ILLEGAL FOR
HUMANS TO DRIVE BECAUSE WE'RE
SO UNPREDICTABLE, COULD WE EVER
SEE A PLACE LIKE THAT PERHAPS
10 OR 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD?
>> I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY EVER
IN OUR LIFETIMES IN THIS
COUNTRY.
THE DEPLOYMENT OF AUTOMATION IN
TECHNOLOGY IS SEEN AS A MEANS
OF ENHANCING HUMAN
INTELLIGENCE.
THAT'S WHY IN AIRBUS AND
BOEING, YOU SEE THE PILOTS ARE
HIGHLY TRAINED, KNOW HOW TO USE
THE AUTOMATION FOR THE OPTIMAL
OUTCOME.
IF YOU THINK EVER TECHNOLOGY AS
AN END, AS A GOAL OF REPLACING
HUMANS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A
LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM HUMANS AND
THE FACT THAT MACHINES ARE
PERFECT.
NEITHER ARE WE.
CHARLES: I GET YOU ON THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE LESS
IMPERFECT THAN WE ARE.
>> IT REMAINS TO SEEN.
CHARLES: REMAINS TO BE SEEN,
BUT REMEMBER THE FUTURISTS SAID
WE'LL BE FREED UP FOR GREATER
THINGS LIKE USING MORE THAN 10%
OF OUR BRAIN.
SO THIS ACCIDENT OUT THERE,
EVERYONE IS PUTTING THEIR
PROGRAM ON PAUSE, WE KNOW
THAT'S ONLY TEMPORARY.
THERE ARE ALWAYS ACCIDENTS WHEN
NEW TECHNOLOGY ARRIVED WHETHER
IT IS AIRPLANE OR TRAIN OR THE
HORSELESS CARRIAGE.
SO WHAT'S TO STOP THESE
COMPANIES, BECAUSE I SEE
UNMITIGATED DOLLAR SIGNS FOR
THEM, AND I JUST REALLY BELIEVE
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO FORCE
THIS AND WHATEVER THEY CAN USE
THEIR WILL AND THEIR FINANCIAL
RESOURCES, THEY'LL MAKE IT
HAPPEN?
>> WELL, THEY'RE PUSHING HARD
TO DEPLOY THE VEHICLES AS SOON
AS POSSIBLE, AND BECAUSE
THERE'S NO SAFETY STANDARD, NO
ONE KNOWS WHAT SAFE IS.
ALL WE KNOW AS SAFETY IS HUMANS
ARE OKAY IN THIS COUNTRY WITH
40,000 DEATHS A YEAR, BUT
CLEARLY NOT OKAY WITH ONE
DEATH.
SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THERE IS
THE EQUILIBRIUM WHAT WE ARE
PREPARED AS MISTAKES FROM
HUMANS VERSUS MACHINES.
THEY'VE HANDLED THIS VERY
POORLY IN THE PAST.
IT IS ALMOST MIRACULOUS THAT
TESLA SURVIVED AND ALMOST
UNSCATHED FROM THE ACCIDENT
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE TESLA
NEVER CLAIMED TO BE FULLY
SELF-DRIVING.
YOU HAVE UBER CLAIMED FULLY
SELF-DRIVING THAT SHOULD HAVE
