>>> CONSPEARY THEORIES ARE 
NOTHING NEW IN THIS COUNTRY. 
THE MOON LANDING, AREA 51, I CAN
GO ON AND ON. 
RARELY DO YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT 
OF THE UNITED STATES EMBRACING 
AT LEAST PUBLICLY CONSPIRACY 
THEORIES AS IS THE CASE WITH 
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND WHO HE 
THINKS INTERFERED WITH THE 2016 
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. 
NBC NEWS CALLING ONE HIS 
INSURANCE POLICY. 
THE WRITER OF THE PIECE JOINS ME
ALONG WITH JANE TEN WHO ALSO 
LOOKED INTO THE LACK OF EVIDENCE
BEHIND THE BIDEN UKRAINE 
ACCUSATIONS. 
THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSPIRACY 
THEORIES OUT THERE. 
THE INTERNET IS A REASON A LOT 
OF THESE ARE SPREADING VIRALLY. 
>> THE BASELINE PREMISE YOU HAVE
TO UNDERSTAND HERE IS THAT THERE
ARE A BUNCH OF CONSPIRACY 
THEORIES THAT ARE COALESCING 
INTO ONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE 
RIGHT NOW. 
AND THAT CONSPIRACY THEORY KAMZ 
TO ABSOLVE RUSSIA FROM HACKING 
THE DMC. 
IT ALLOWS JOE BIDEN TO ENTER THE
FRAY. 
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL 
ABOUT. 
THIS IS ABOUT INSENUE WAITING IT
IS TRYING TO TAKE DOWN THE 
PRESIDENT. 
THE PREMISE IS THAT THE DNC 
HACKED ITSELF SO THAT IN 2019 IT
COULD IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT 
BASED ON ITS GALAXY BRAIN 
INFOWAR STUFF. 
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT 
EVERY SINGLE TURN. 
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. 
THIS IS ABOUT CREATING AN 
ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF DOUBT SO THE 
PRESIDENT CAN GET THROUGH THE 
IMPEACHMENT STUFF. 
>> WE HAVE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES
THAT SAID THE CONTRARY. 
>> YOU CAN SAY THAT WHATEVER YOU
WANT TO BE TRUE IS TRUE, BECAUSE
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE FBI AND 
CIA AND INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES 
WEREN'T RIGHT ABOUT RUSSIA 
HACKING THE ELECTION WHICH 
RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION. 
BUT IF YOU SAY THERE IS A DEEP 
STATE, YOU GET TO MAKE YOUR OWN 
REALITY. 
>> NOBODY REALLY BELIEVES US. 
>> YES, THEY DO. 
IF YOU WATCH HANNITY EVERY 
NIGHT, THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL 
THINK. 
>> 3 MILLION PEOPLE DO THAT. 
>> ALSO FACEBOOK BRAIN. 
PEOPLE HAVE ACUTE CASE OF 
FACEBOOK BRAIN WHERE THEY GET 
THESE MEEMZ AND IMPLY THAT THE 
PRESIDENT DID NOTHING WRONG 
HERE. 
THIS RUSSIA THING IS A HOAX. 
THIS IS ALL MADE UP. 
THIS JUST CONNECTS SOME DOTS 
THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT BE 
CONNECTED FOR THESE PEOPLE. 
>> I SAW A POLL THAT SAID FOUR 
IN TEN PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT TRUMP
BROUGHT UP BIDEN ON THAT CALL. 
THE WHITE HOUSE SAID HE TALKED 
ABOUT BIDEN ON THAT CALL. 
HE HAS A MEMO OF THE CALL THAT 
LOOKS LIKE A TRANSCRIPT SAYING 
HE BROUGHT UP BIDEN ON THE CALL.
FOUR IN TEN PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE
WHAT HAS BEEN SAID. 
>> 40% OF PEOPLE POLLED SAID 
THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT -- 
>> PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THE
WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING. 
>> IS THAT BECAUSE -- YOU 
MENTIONED HANNITY, BUT OBVIOUSLY
THE INTERNET IS A GREAT 
PURVEYING IN SPREADING THESE 
LIES. 
>> I HAVE BEEN MAPPING THIS OUT 
FOR YEARS AND YEARS. 
I HAVE COVERED CONSPIRACY 
THEORIES. 
THIS IS THE MOST PERNICIOUS 
VERSION. 
IT'S METHODICAL. 
IT STARTS AS RUMORS. 
THIS SPECIFIC CONSPIRACY THEORY 
STARTED ON 4-CHAN. 
MADE IT TO READ IT TO THE HILL. 
THAT LIE GETS CONFIRMED OVER 
TIME. 
EACH PLACE HAS LIKE A SAATORIAL 
PROCESS. 
>> I'LL GO DOWN THE ROAD FOR A 
HOT SECOND HERE. 
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO THINK 
THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER AND THIS 
WHOLE STORY ABOUT JOE BIDEN 
ACTUALLY CAME FROM WITHIN THE 
WHITE HOUSE ITSELF, BECAUSE WHY 
ARE WE ALL TALKING ABOUT THIS?
AND WHO HAS BEEN IMPACTED 
LARGELY BY THIS?
JOE BIDEN. 
AND PEOPLE -- THE WHITE HOUSE IS
SORT OF GETTING AWAY WITH IT. 
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE
CONSPIRATORIAL ROAD BECAUSE THE 
WHITE HOUSE IS PUTTING IT OUT 
THERE. 
THERE IS A CYCLE OF 
INTENTIONALLY BAD INFORMATION 
THAT IS GOING OUT THERE. 
>> YEAH. 
THIS IS THE POINT OF IT. 
YOU CAN SEE IT HERE. 
IT STARTS AT 4-CHAN, GETS TO 
READ IT AND INFOWARS. 
ONCE IT GETS TO THE TALK RADIO, 
THEN IT STARTS TO CONFIRM THIS 
GUY ON 4 CHAN POSTED A THING HE 
KNEW WAS FALSE. 
BY THE TIME IT GOT TO NEWS 
OUTLETS, PEOPLE START TO BELIEVE
THEIR OWN MADNESS AND IT 
CONFIRMS THINGS THAT ARE 
UNCONFIRMABLE. 
>> YOU HAVE BEEN REPORTING ON 
THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
YOU KIND OF WROTE THE BOOK ON 
HOW ALL OF THIS GOT STARTED. 
WHERE DOES IT END?
>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD 
QUESTION. 
I MEAN, IT ENDS WHEN WE AS A 
NATION START DECIDING THAT FACTS
ARE FACTS. 
YOU DON'T GET TO CHOOSE YOUR OWN
FACTS. 
THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PARTISAN
ANGLE TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND 
SEE. 
AT THE END OF THE DAY, EITHER 
BIDEN GETS OUT OF THE RACE AND 
THE FALSEHOODS ABOUT BIDEN'S 
SONS DON'T MATTER ANYMORE OR WE 
MADE A DECISION ON WHAT WE'RE 
GOING TO LISTEN TO AND BELIEVE 
AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT AS FACTS. 
>> W
