hello I'm dr nick Delgado with simply
healthy tv I'm with dr Michael greger
dr greger you went to cornell university
uh
tufts uh medical school
and what caught my attention was a very
compelling story
that probably brought you into this
whole industry
it had to do with your grandmother tell
me about that story
yeah i you know i think the spark for
you know
kids who want to become a doctor when
they grow up is watching a
grandparent get sick or even die but for
me it was watching my grandma get better
she diagnosed with end-stage heart
disease already had
so many you know open heart surgeries
you just kind of run out of plumbing at
some point gets all scarred up
that there's nothing more that modern
medical medicine could offer so they
you know sent her home to die confined
in a wheelchair crushing chest pain
um so she was diagnosed with uh terminal
heart disease age 65.
i was yeah no no absolutely
and so her life was over and then
she saw on 60 minutes she saw this this
thing about
nathan pritikin is the kind of lifestyle
medicine pioneer who's opening this
clinic in california
claimed to reverse heart disease with
that in lifestyle
that was in the late 70s yeah that was
in the 70s yeah yeah so
um somehow she made the cross-country
trek from
florida's and uh and it's actually
featured in his biography as one of his
first patients
um it talks about francis greger
who uh is described as um a death's door
person you know so many people he got
were people just you know there's no
other option for them
and they wheeled her in and she walked
out in fact every few weeks she was
walking 10 miles a day
she went on to live another 31 years on
this planet until age 96 with her
enjoying her six grandkids including me
and so
that's what inspired me to to go into
medicine
um and to practice the kind of medicine
i am now and so by you know 1990
july lanced lifestyle heart trial dr
dean ornish
when he showed with quantitative
angiography you know black and white
that reversal of heart disease with diet
and lifestyle
changes uh no drugs no surgery uh you
know arteries opening up
uh this was i mean
we'd known it in our own family right
but here it was
in the most prestigious medical journal
on the planet published black and white
um and uh so you just expected this is
gonna be the revolution heart disease is
over
but yet it disappeared it got buried
like a lot of doctors let me know about
not even taught in medical school and so
i was like wait a second
if the cure to our number one killer
both men and women
can just be like gathering dust in some
you know basement of some medical
library somewhere
what else is there in the medical
literature that's
been buried hidden didn't have a
corporate budget to drive its promotion
the reason we hear about new drugs
surgery techniques is because
they put out a press release they got
money right they got vested interest in
getting the word out
new study comes out saying broccoli is
good we're going to hear about it
there's no ads on tv for sweet potatoes
and there's a reason because you just
don't get that markup with healthy foods
you can't
you know so and so that that really so
that's what start so
you know i went medicine because my
grandma but it was
it was kind of the orange experience and
seeing the
this this research being kind of buried
that led me to my work
nutritionfacts.org to kind of bring that
mountain of science it's already been
done
right we have all the studies it's just
translating that into the general public
and you getting it out there
and so actually gave up my clinical
practice got over a decade now
um so i could you know kind of practice
medicine on a grander scale
and you know talk to the medical
students give grant rounds go around the
country and
really put this information out there so
we can have another tool
to not only safer cheaper but can be
more effective for the treatment of
chronic diseases
the power of diet and so that's really
been my
kind of mission for the last couple of
years dr greger
as you know i i was fortunate in that i
worked with nathan pritikin on a daily
basis since
1978 uh 79 and 80.
so i would go with him at his lectures
and after like when they line up to
speak to you
i would listen to the questions and
answers i would go with him at the
longevity center while he
coached and counseled each client that
walked up and as you know he was not a
medical doctor
yeah yeah an engineer scientist 14
patents i mean he was a genius and he
would tell them about their lab results
of course he had a medical doctor
standing next to him because he couldn't
really
you could talk about nutrition but he
knew so much
and i watched him debate other doctors
including the atkins today
yeah and it was just so thrilling and i
was all
23 years years old and i think back
and nathan leaned forward and i said i
said nathan
you know there's a cure for heart
disease there's a cure for diabetes
how come you haven't gone after cancer
you know the solution to cancer to most
cancers
and he said right now it's too
politically tough
to tackle that but you've written a book
how not to die
600 pages now let's face it
dean ornish john mcdougall
caldwell esselstyn um
t colin campbell were all directly or
indirectly influenced by nathan pritikin
sure and nathan pritikin his mentor was
lester morrison
so we have this this opportunity and now
you're a great mentor what's in your
book
your talk today was fabulous give me
some highlights so the audience
yeah yeah yeah so yeah yeah and know
more about your work
so you know on nutritionfacts.org you
know everything's free
non-profit no ads no corporate
sponsorships you know
strictly non-commercial not selling
anything um uh
over a thousand videos on every
conceivable nutrition topic but
that's great most of them but the
problem is it's just overwhelming to
people right there's just the
the breadth is such that they don't even
know where to start so every year
i do an annual kind of review of the
literature
like this is the this is the highlights
the most impressive the most
groundbreaking the most practical
interesting findings
um and so for the last four years you
know i covered so this is my
2015 talk um food as medicine
where um i go through kind of the list
of let's just go through the list of the
top 10
um kind of most dreaded diseases like
they do a you know a gallop survey what
are you scared of people scared of
cancer people scared you can go down the
list
all right well if this is what people
are you're scared about let's see what
the world
diet can play in preventing treating
and even reversing some of these seasons
so i just go down the list
and and highlight some of the the latest
studies so for example in the cancer
which i started out the talk with
um it was just remarkable studying cell
metabolism
suggesting that men and women in middle
age eating the most animal protein not
just meat but you know egg white dairy
protein
had four times that would go on to
have four times the cancer mortality
right and it's funny you're including
fish and chicken with me oh absolutely
yeah no no no no
yeah yeah yeah you're throwing fish
that's all right right all sources of
animal protein animal derived protein
added up those had the most at this four
times now
four times cancer mortality not getting
cancer but dying from cancer
that's kind of on the same level as
the cancer risk attributable to
cigarette smoking right and so it's fun
it's funny the
with the university when they sent out
uh their press release about the study
there had this memorable opening line
that chicken wing
in your hand may be just as deadly as a
cigarette and what they're saying
is those kind of odds um but it wasn't
just
cancer mortality they uh those eating
the most animal protein
had lived significantly shorter lives
and 73 times
the risk of dying from diabetes that's
extraordinary
um but i mean have you heard why wasn't
this study making headlines
i mean so i mean it's important to just
let's look at the study let's see what
they did
um and so that was kind of that was one
of the highlights of the year but
you know a lot of the remarkable kind of
groundbreaking research was done
decades ago right like some of the
pritikin research so there's this
diabetes studies
right back in the 70s um that answered
the question
you know with this reversal of diabetes
what you
hear is you might say yeah i'm a
plant-based diet and reverse diabetes
they say well it's just because of
weight loss right
you can reverse diabetes with bariatric
surgery no changes in diet other than
the constraints of bariatric surgery you
do bariatric surgery
with massive weight loss you lose 100
pounds you can reverse diabetes
so they say oh plant-based diet well
they're eating lots of you know fruits
and vegetables they're losing weight
that's
it's no direct effect it's an indirect
benefit
and so but the study that put that that
to that myth to rest was done in the
1970s
where they took people were able to
reverse diabetes
16 days and force them to eat enough
healthy food they've actually maintained
their weight which is not easy you got a
lot of food
healthy food right a lot of all this it
was a whole food plant-based diet
16 days no oil added or were they eating
no no there was no oil so there was a so
it was
no olive oil no coconut oil right this
is eliminating junk food and
all those processed junk oils are
processed
right right so i mean what's the
definition of a junk food is lots of
calories very little nutrition so you
get this huge caloric load for very
little nutrition
and so i mean so we're talking about
right all the oils
the table sugar or high fructose corn
syrup you're just not getting anything
for this
bang for your caloric buck um and so
healthy enough diet
no weight loss got these dramatic
reversals and diabetes so they proved
it wasn't weight loss it wasn't weight
loss it was the food
right it was it always was it was the
food and
the remarkable speed so two weeks later
you can take someone who's been diabetic
for 20 years
and then off of all insulin in two weeks
a healthy enough diet you have these
people
lower blood sugars and 32 units less
insulin often all together
why because they're eating healthy i
mean that
and look diabetes is an epidemic type 2
diabetes
and it can we can stop it we can reverse
it we can even reverse some of its
complications like
diabetic retinopathy and and neuropathy
emphasis limbs stroke it is i mean
i it's amazing but
again this research has been decades
we've
known about this decades but did i learn
in medical school no i mean so
it's just it's it's outrageous that this
information
has just been kind of buried and lost
and we just need to kind of resurrect it
get it out there
and give doctors the tools um to help
people get better and
look when we're talking about a simple
safe side effect free solution like eat
healthier
you don't need a doctor to tell you
right i mean you know if you're like
if you're like someone in the 50 a
smoker in the 50s and your doctor is
smoking you don't have to wait till your
doctor
stops smoking and tells you or to
just no you could be like look i'm
intelligent enough i can look at the
you know balance of evidence say look
the smoking thing there's good data
suggesting it's not good for me
i don't have to wait for my doctor to
figure it out this is life or death
i'm gonna stop smoking right you don't
need a doctor to tell you stop smoking
you just thought you know
same thing with healthy diets you don't
need a doctor to tell
you can improve the health of yourself
and your family
with this powerful information although
it's great to get the docs on board
the glycemic index many doctors when
they
counsel their patients they're confused
they say give up the potatoes
give up the fruit because it's going to
harm your glycemic index your insulin
levels
you published something on
nutritionfacts.org that talked about
polyphenols and fruit
is there a difference with that and i
know that
james anderson the endocrinologist had
spoken with nathan pritikin in the 1970s
and later published studies about
as you said in 10 days on a whole fiber
plant-based diet they could get people
off their insulin back to normal and it
was published
kelly and west published and and
presented before the u.s senate hearings
about
the fact that we could reverse diabetes
heart disease dr dennis burkett
and huel trowell occasionally they were
the first to talk about the top
40 killers right and they said look the
african diet of whole
plant fiber foods without processed oils
was the best way to dramatically reduce
the incidence of
multiple diseases not just diabetes
right leading killers caused the
disability i see
you as the new ernest wender
dennis burke no no but but the
difference so
i mean i i i can't take credit for other
people's work ornish has actually done
the studies esselstyn's done the studies
right
colin campbell's done the studies you
know burkitt has this long published
release
all i'm doing is compiling the research
again i'm you know i'm sitting in my
computer at home right
at a conference i met him personally
fantastic i met ernest winter heard him
speak and spoke with him
and he was the first to say and he said
in front of the whole audience he said
you know he had a german accent i made
this association you take
cigarette you smoke it you take it into
the lungs
huh there may be a connection to lung
cancer
and cigarette smoking he said he was the
first to publish that
and he was osterized about it but he
said
there's a clear connection and he they
went on to prove he later went on to say
that high prolactin levels
and diabetes and breast cancer was
clearly associated to a high fat diet
and he showed after monitoring pritikin
participants before after 30
days that they could lower the hormone
prolactin which overstimulated the
breast tissue
and reduce the risk of breast cancer
dramatically in 30 days
he was the first to say it so you so
yeah so yeah i'm unsure of these
publications these articles you're the
most thoroughly read physician i've
had since john mcdougall this is
bringing it it's just bringing it out
the studies have been done
we don't have to do one more study i
mean i'd love to see the whole
avalanche more research but not one more
study has to be done
um we have the research it's
overwhelming it's convincing
it's just about letting people know
about it so they make their own choices
look if people want to still want to
smoke let them smoke it's their body but
i mean they should know about the
predictable consequences of their
actions
and as medical professionals what more
can we do the informed consent
you do that you take this pill there's
the benefits there's a risk you continue
to smoke benefits risk to eat this way
right and you know if you want help here
it is here's the signs
so what you're saying is there's no
difference between moderate smoking
moderate use of chicken and fish and
turkey moderate use of dairy product
they're equally dangerous who's to know
whether once a week twice a week
consumption of meat cheese eggs or dairy
product
will convert and we have evidence that
it alters the cellular metabolism
well so i mean but that's that was the
line back with the that was the tobacco
industry lines
too smoking in moderation was okay it
was just not
excess smoking that was the problem in
fact that was the ama the american
medical association came out
saying that oh oh no smoking in
moderation totally fine in fact they
said balance of heaven is probably good
for you it relaxes you i mean all of a
sudden
right right so um so but that would
imagine your girlfriend to relax
yeah you see the same thing now right
the same thing now
with moderation right no no don't cut
out you know
just have little baby cans of coca-cola
for snacks i mean this kind of
you know everything in moderation but
look yes if you want diabetes in
moderation if you want heart disease in
moderation if you want
right i mean you know you want lung
cancer moderation
you can have you know that's uh it's
people don't understand the loss of
independence
the pain the suffering that comes with
chronic disease i mean unless
you know your medical profession you've
been in the hospital people don't know
people don't understand
what gangrene is people don't understand
some of these i mean
i've been in hospitals when uh
individuals had gangrene and they
amputated the limb and you could smell
them you just
don't wanna you can see the flesh
falling off the limbs
because of poor circulation and in the
hospital
they fed them eggs bacon you know
pancakes with butter
i want to take people on hospital tours
you know right i mean if you haven't
seen somebody with copd you can't walk
up the stairs
right you don't know what's smoking it i
mean you can't really make a decision
whether or not you should start smoking
or not and similarly right unless you've
seen people
you know gone blind from diabetes or i
mean all these lists
then you don't really know the
consequence you can't really make an
informed choice
as to what to feed your family unless
you know what the potential consequences
you reference copd
and the change in diet not just stopping
smoking but the change in diet and
improvement possibly in asthma emphysema
oh fascinating no absolutely so i mean
with copd i mean it's kind of the same
same with diabetes we used to think you
had diabetes to get worse would force
than you died right
we could slow down your diabetes slow
down your amputations and blindness and
stuff like that but that's the kind of
the best we thought we could do same
thing with copd
copd chronic obstructive pulmonary
disease like emphysema
gets worse worse worse than you die
right and we can try to
slow but that's just the assumption
until a study came along where they just
randomized
groups of copders into a few added
servings of fruits and vegetables to
their daily diet that's it the only
dietary change
and they not just had slower decline
they actually improved over months
they had improved their lung function
and whether it's the anti-inflammatory
effects the antioxidant effects we're
not sure but
that's remarkable that should have again
headline news that's huge
it's a leading killer in fact just push
stroke out as the third leading killer
in the united states
yet we don't even hear about it and it
was the most simple cheap
safe intervention but
but again where are you going to hear it
from there's no you know
million dollar promotion budget um
and so you know so that that that was
i thought my role like that was my
burden is to bring this science out to
the public
so they can make up their own mind i
love your sarcastic humor too during
your presentations
it it you know you've got to lighten it
up because you're dealing with a very
emotional issue
if if we were to say and let me put a
hypothetical situation let's say we have
a group of 10
cancer patients of various types
prostate cancer pancreatic cancer
organ cancers of various types even
brain cancer we have a group of 10
diabetics
type 2 but we'll talk about type 1 in a
moment and we have a group of
cardiovascular patients chest pain
angina um
peripheral vascular uh claudication and
they're having pain in their legs upon
walking and exertion right
so we've got these killer diseases
and let's say each of the groups
was titrated that is they ate according
to hunger
not beyond their caloric needs let's say
they each needed 2500 calories because
they're pretty heavy people okay
let's say we gave them 2 000 calories
and the average fruit is a cup of fruit
about 60 calories so we gave them 10
pieces of fruit that's 600 calories
now we stepped in and we gave them three
baked potatoes 118 calories medium
potato so now we're throwing in another
350 calories
so we're up to uh 1100 calories but it's
got sugar
it's got fruit it's got potatoes maybe
we'll throw in some
unprocessed raw greens and and
vegetables with no added oil no coconut
oil no sapphire oil
big plate making me hungry a big bowl of
vegetables
and it's got all the good things yeah
good i even do a series called chef
roman with my six-year-old and he does
thumbs up or thumbs down
and we'll prepare it i'll send you a
link oh i wanted to go to the food
channels it really upsets me when i
watch these food cooking shows
they're throwing cups of sugar oil
fat meat they're they're they're frying
it
yep okay you gotta re-click it good
that's you
well just tell me what are you gonna do
let's see
okay so i might on the right track ten
fruit pieces of fruit not too much
not at all good good i want them to know
it's okay ten
or more up to within my god do whatever
no i mean
jenkins jenkins did what 28 servings of
fruit
bring that up oh yeah these people are
so afraid of fruit
and yet it's live it's enzymes it's so
good for us oh my god i'd say yeah
absolutely let's
open that up we'll talk friends yeah
yeah yeah um
i mean um dr uh walter kempner
yeah yeah ice fruit diet it was all
right
did you know and sugar did you see
they couldn't get enough calories at the
end of a year they had lost 146 pounds
do you know what calories they added to
make up the difference in the missing
calories because it had to be no
protein it had to be something that
helped their kidneys what was it didn't
they add sugar they added
a pound of white sugar yeah yeah sugar a
pound well they had to they needed to
get calories in these people
but no one knows that right and everyone
says sugar is the right
white rice and sugar no well but right
but that's
but that was a therapeutic guy for the
kidney but it solved their diabetes
yeah yeah yeah yeah people don't realize
that but right you can mix that with all
the fat and all that can you watch the
cameras to
just give me that comfort uh chris be
here and be there
can you listen to the headphone there
okay the sounds look
yeah and if we ever have an issue with
it running up you'll hear that beep
every time
i'm good i'm good all right okay all
right 12 minutes
okay
so i gave you a hypothetical diet
oh yeah is there a limit on fruit
and vegetables and potatoes and you know
it goes vegetables are the lowest
calorie mushrooms cucumbers celery
then it gets a little bit more calories
with some fruit but it's still medium to
low
then it gets a little more density with
brown rice and
beans and peas a little more sustenance
and then maybe sweet potatoes
and white potatoes are down here low and
then you get into these excessively high
calorie foods
meat chicken fish turkey no fiber high
calories high protein
and then it goes to oils and sugars
right is that the spectrum here yeah no
that's so
we're over here calorie density and
we're dealing with obese
diabetic patients obese cancer patients
obese
heart patients all right how much fruit
can you eat a day okay
okay well the beauty of of hopefully
plant-based diet is you don't have to
worry about the calorie counting and the
carb counting and
i mean there's no real i mean and so
these studies that have shown head to
head
you know you do a randomized clinical
trial you know american diabetes
association diet versus a plant-based
diet
and the reason that the plant-based
diets win every american diabetic is
high in fat
relatives it is 30 fatty no no no right
so they're right it's the
skinless chicken kind of thing they add
oil right now so
but but it shows that i mean you don't
have to
i mean you don't have to i'm not worried
about sweet potatoes versus brown rice
versus fruit
because you can just kind of eat to your
hearts content because these are all
healthy foods that's the most important
thing it's not
you know i'm less concerned about what
percentage calories they're getting from
fat or from
i want i want to eat whole plant foods
in terms of
fruit nuts and seeds oh absolutely ample
nutritious wonderful fashion
reverse heart disease amazing so um
yeah yeah so you know fruits vegetables
beans you know legumes
beans flippies chickpeas lentils whole
grains
mushrooms herbs and spices all those you
know anything plant kingdom
state we were allowed one nut or seed
right right so we didn't know
well we didn't know fearful of right
well i mean well i mean so we just
assumed that low-fat diet was
i mean the benefit was low-fat not
because we're getting rid of meat meat
and dairy right i mean
the reason we went for low fat we were
like go low-fat because we want people
cut out meat and dairy but instead of
picking up an apple they made snackwall
cookies right i mean that's not
but in terms of fruit i mean there's
been studies that
people ate literally dozens of servings
of fruit a day
dozens of servings of fruit a day um and
just had benefits in terms of
triglycerides and liver fat all the
things you'd worry about getting too
much
industrial sources of fruit 20 servings
of fruits a day
health promotions the index
right index proved it was safe right
right now
right the dragons usually invented the
glycemic index and he put people on this
incredibly high fruit
high vegetable and actually had the most
powerful cholesterol lowering effect
ever seen in any dietary trial
wow i mean unbelievable in fact within
two weeks dropped as much as you getting
like a statin
no side effects obviously i mean it was
it was just
remarkable remarkable benefits the
the global burden of disease study
funded by the bill melinda gates
foundation
the biggest study on risk factors global
risk factors in history
found the number one dietary risk factor
in terms of what could save the most
people
so the greatest dietary killer was
inadequate fruit consumption
number one wow so more than meat
consumption so
if you had if you had to cut down on
meat or eat more fruit actually eating
more fruit may be more beneficial
number one risk factor for death on the
planet dietary risk factors inactive
fruit consumption
wow then it talks about inactive nut
consumption and whole grain consumption
and you know
too much meat temperature go through all
that but number one respect not enough
fruit
dr burkett had revealed a study where
they gave people 10 potatoes a day
he said you could eat anything else you
want so long as you were required to eat
the 10 potatoes at the end of three
months
every person dropped body weight why he
said it filled up their stomach there
wasn't much room for anything else
of course we don't want them to slather
the butter and the cheese on the
potatoes
but you could put salsa you could do
other things on the baked potato
so potatoes much maligned mcdougall has
stated this he even wrote a book the
starch
connection or star solution potatoes are
safe
they're healthy potatoes are healthy
sweet potatoes are even healthier that's
what i mean
right right so what 75 of their calories
i mean that's right so they eat a
vegetable-based diet and they have
some of the best longevity second only
to the you know uh
people that completely cut meat out of
their diet the seven-day adventists
advocate a carnivore meat-eater and
let's say they're just
pounding down chicken fish by that very
nature
is there any vitamin c in any meat only
raw meats
enough to sustain them yeah you can
prevent scurvy yeah yeah
so that's why so that's why some of
these eskimos you raw whale blubber i
mean so if you
raw flesh then you can get enough
vitamin c to but the point is
you would have to tell meat eaters oh
your diet's bad you can't
you know humans don't make vitamin c oh
right you don't get vitamin c but fruit
vegetables all the vitamin c the body
needs
so by that argument now let's switch to
b12 everyone goes oh
a vegetarian diet doesn't have b12
because that because of that it must be
a bad diet but michael clapper talked
about in the soil
in primitive times when we didn't have
to worry about antibiotics and
you know washing the hands so there's
little b12 in the little
microorganisms blanket the earth and so
it's not really inherently i mean
our fellow great apes get all the b12
they need from you know bugs dirt and
feces i mean but
you know there's healthier heads so i
encourage you let's go to you know
fortified foods or supplements
of vitamin b12 supplements because today
in our sanitized world
you know there used to be bacteria in
the well water drinking out of a
mountain stream
but now we chlorinate our water supply
to kill off the bacteria there's no b12
in our water anymore
there's no cholera either that's a good
thing right we live in a sanitized world
that's a good thing
but because of that we need to make uh
we need to make adjustments just like
vitamin d right
i mean vitamin d we didn't we didn't
evolve with clothes we were all
walking around you know running around
naked in equatorial africa
right and so but because of the way we
live in our modern world
we may have to take a vitamin d
supplement i mean so it's just like you
know
that's that's just the you know so the
changes so that's
five methyl tetrafolate for the folic
acid because fifty percent of people
can't quite absorb uh folic acid as well
it's stated
right but we don't some of the
methylated versions i'd rather people
not get folic
at all but actually folate where does
folate come from the latin folium
meaning leaf it was first discovered in
spinach and that's where
folate is found beans and greens so
people should eat their beans and greens
rather than getting you know the
artificial folic acid which we hope is
going to convert over the following
but five methyl tetrafolate is my
understanding is highly absorbed
i eat your spinach both um so
um and and i actually and i encourage
cyanocobalamin not mythical bomb
because we don't studies show cyan but
right
okay but but might be bad look at you
look who you're talking to
the studies show x that's what i talk
about right
yeah i got it does olive oil prevent
heart disease
no in fact olive oil i mean it has acute
adverse effects even extra virgin olive
oil acute adverse effects on endothelial
function all artery function within
hours of consumption give people extra
virgin olive oil you can actually
measure foreign blood flow you actually
see
the arteries get crippled and stiffened
literally
hours after consumption we're not
talking about negative you know
consequences down the road
talking immediate effects now that does
not happen with high fat whole plant
foods you give someone walnuts
a huge load of walnuts their arterial
function
improves in the acute setting because
the fiber and all the essential fatty
acids
packed with antioxidants we're not
exactly sure what it is but kind of
just it just so happens the eating food
kind of as intended as nature came up
with it was just packaged with
everything we needed we didn't need that
brenda davis talks about this but do you
buy into it's ideal to soak your nuts
and seeds to make it a lot
yeah well yeah maybe there's a
controversy about enzymes and live food
versus cooked foods right well so
i mean so sprouting surrounding has been
shown to dramatically boost the
phytonutrient content um fivefold i mean
depending on what the
kind of nuts you're talking about but
but the the soaking to get rid of
phytase i mean that's an outdated
kind of a notion we used to think
phytates were these mineral
industrial increases minerals and said
after a year the mineral balance
in the human studies now are are kind of
are have
we've shifted in the whole nutrition
world um has been kind of a roller
coaster for phytates and now phytates
are considered beneficial we should
fight against in the fight against
cancer yes and fight against cancer
absolutely does sugar cause
hyperactivity in kids
um i haven't reviewed that literature
is meat red white fish
pork unhealthy well compared to what
whenever you ask
foo is food x healthy you have to say
compared to what well so what would you
say is is
like like is are eggs healthy well
not compared to oatmeal but compared to
uh
you know processed meat compared to the
to the bacon next to the
okay eggs are healthy compared to bacon
but certainly not compared to
but so um i mean like everything's
healthy compared to crisco
hydrogenated oil right right so but
but but meat is not a health promoting
food
and in fact by eating meat you're
missing out on an opportunity
to eat food with greater health
promoting properties
and fewer disease promoting dr griger a
rabbit is a pure vegetarian it's one
stated that a dog or cat's a pure
carnivore
although they eat the cotton of the prey
that they catch which has greens in it
we're supposedly somewhat of an omnivore
a little bit of cholesterol we have a
release valve a rabbit if you
give them a hundred milligrams
cholesterol no release valve they'll die
of a cardiovascular
uh a human you give them less than 100
milligrams per day it's stated we have a
little release valve
and the bile the brown cover of the
bowel moist that's cholesterol and we
should be able to take in a little bit
true maybe oh well i mean we we're
remarkably adaptive i mean so i kind of
think
um so i mean you know the there was a
whole new so
like omnivore i mean omnivore actually
technical definitions you actually need
both plant
and and animal like so bears actually
need both and so they're technically
we're not omnivores we're like
scavengers like rats basically
we can live off anything if you look
around right i mean there are people who
that can literally live to reproductive
age
eating whale blubber and you know
eskimos whereas people that you know can
live off
strictly so the optim but what we know
now
is and we have now we have science we
have to theorize
we have interventional studies you take
people you randomize people do groups
and we can show that the healthiest diet
the diet that reverses the number one
reason
you and all your loved ones will die of
heart disease cancer diabetes high blood
pressure whole foods plant-based diet
the more whole plant foods we get in our
diet and the less processed foods animal
foods
is the healthier we're going to be is
coffee bad for you
um coffee is bad for you in the sense
that every cup of coffee you're eating
is a cup of green tea you're not eating
you're not drinking do you like green
tea and white tea so yeah green tea
white tea
hibiscus tea is a i tried it out and did
the taste test with chef ron
oh good i mean so uh and so no
antioxidants so coffee look look
coffee's made from beans
you know green tea is made from greens
greens are healthier than beans
um so so coffee's actually been found to
be health promoting drops overall cancer
risk by about three percent
modest but but again it's like an
opportunity cost
every time we put something in our mouth
it's a lost opportunity to put something
even healthier in our mouth
right sure and so so with that you know
we can always kind of
try to find healthier hospitals so an
occasional use of coffee they're driving
about with the back late at night from
the airport
they're afraid oh no no no no no no no
no coffee can absolutely be life-saving
and those kind of
oh circumstances oh yeah yeah even a cup
a day is 220 milligrams of caffeine
which is a drug dosage a doctor
prescribes
but your but your liver should be i
should be able to clear that out before
you
affecting your sleep if you get it early
enough in the day i mean nobody
but on the road i'm no but on the road
seriously
that's very important yeah yeah
microwave safe
uh not if you drop them on your foot no
i mean but no they've been
stated that if you get close to it if
you use a radioactive detector
or radiation detector if it's something
wrong with the microwave right but the
food is just jiggling the molecules
that's what's called heat heat jiggles
molecules
i know absolutely and in fact it can
make people
it can make healthy eating more
convenient and anything makes healthy
eating
more convenient thank you doctor plastic
containers safe
oh well i wouldn't microwave in a
plastic container okay heated foods and
plastic candy that's not a good idea
okay cracking cracking your knuckles or
joints
i don't know the literature soy good for
men
uh oh absolutely in terms of reducing
interest
it was two gallons but it's a weak it's
a weak estrogen right
and it protects your receptor sites
is estrogen dominance from meat chicken
is there estrogen in fish there's
estrogen all there's estrogens and other
sex steroid hormones in all animal
products
all not just because they injected it
it's absolutely it has to be right so
right even like you know bgh free you're
not injecting the cows
they have what do you think milk is it's
a hormone solution to grow
to grow some poor little calf to add a
couple of 100 pounds before it gets
eaten by the
tiger is that why you go to the beach
you see these young guys with breast
tissue because they're eating
wings and chicken and fish and smoking
pot there's all sorts of things that may
be contributing to the
amounts of estrogen coming more from
meat and dairy the number one
contributor more than xenoestrogens
oh well xenoestrogens may play a role
we're not we're not sure what that
you know so why is is precocious puberty
getting earlier and earlier
it's probably a slew of things but
there's a lot of you know evidence
pointing to dairy consumption animal
protein consumption
on down the list increased meat and
dairy increases estrogen dominance and
the danger
no so three to five servings of soy a
day um i i wouldn't go beyond that
i wouldn't go no but i would encourage
people to eat soy but there's not
necessarily something in soy that you
might not be able to get another legume
so you know
uh you know so eat some japanese
restaurants a little what
how do you call it edamame yeah
absolutely so that's probably that that
would be a wonderful source because it's
completely unprocessed right it's
basically the immature green soybeans
right this is
it's a super healthy easy quick snack i
encourage people to check thank you my
six-year-old loves that ah great
so how much water is safe to drink oh
well how much should we drink but how
much is safe is there upper limit oh
yeah no so i encourage oh
are you better to get water from your
fruits and vegetables though is that a
good source
oh well yeah but not no so i encourage
people to
what do they say in the uh um so i have
a very question so
i have a video that says how much water
should we drink every day and i go
through the literature
um and it's different from men and women
and i have a and they're and they're
athletically inclined there's a there's
actually a uh
an amount of water consumption that's
been shown to decrease uh mortality this
is actually
the inventive study came out so there is
a certain level um
and you can certainly do too much water
glasses um
check out the website cell phones can
they cause brain cancer one swedish
study oh yeah no good question well we
just don't have long term
enough data yet i mean you know cell
phones are relatively new
invention it takes it may take decades
from there now than the early studies
so we um we don't have the data so we
don't know but anytime we don't know
you know you want to think at least
precautionary principles
so yeah so um i uh so yeah so i mean i
think that's that's a good idea until we
know more
gluten sensitivity real food
compatibility is there something going
on beyond celiac disease right so maybe
uh you know 140 so so folks have a
celiac
pretty much similar it may have a
non-celiac gluten sensitivity so
for 98 of the community
gluten like any other plant protein is
health promoting but for 2
and the 1 000 or so with the actual
wheat allergy i'm should stay away from
some we but the vast majority of people
should have no problems so from the
bible a scene sprouted whole grain bread
multiple other grains sprouted wonderful
bread oh bring it on rich in fiber
vitamins minerals vital chemicals
although i mean when it sprouts it's a
little lower in gluten
oh oh well no i mean the gluten's still
there otherwise we don't have the bread
but
i mean the protein in it i don't know
it's real sweet when you when you take a
scene bread you know you get it out of
the freezer
and get it fresh right well
no no no no you can get in the in the
freezer
how not to die very high in general so
inject so sprout is better than
than flour but in general you know whole
intact grains probably the best
so in general even so even a whole wheat
pasta certainly better than white pasta
but even better would be
you know eating wheat berries or or you
know whole grain actually whole intact
grains like
they're all separated they say that
ancient wheat was different lower in
gluten had lower
number of chromosomes they hybrid yeah
we don't know we don't know
gmo's your opinion um um
uh gmos so the gmos that are used for
um for pesticide resistance increased
pesticide residues left on the food
so for example gmo soy dramatically
higher pesticide residues
compared to either organics or or
conventionally
the gmos attracting pesticides so the
gmos they they are the
gmos were created to be pesticide
resistant so
by the same companies that produce the
pesticides so monsanto makes roundup the
pesticide
and they make roundup ready crops so
they make soy
that's resistant to the herbicide and so
then they can
absolutely so they can blanket their
their fields with it
and get really high levels of these um
of these pesticides
um and i mean that's the whole purpose
of creating these crops
genetically modified foods aren't to
make things healthier or
cheaper or more sustainable i mean
they're used to
that most gmos are created by pesticide
companies for the purpose
of selling their pesticides and as a
result
we end up with high pressure pressures
that's my biggest concern is the higher
levels of pesticide residue so i
encourage people
um to choose non-gmo soy so we can do
that by just
choosing organic and we should really
label gmo so we
can as public health researchers we can
find out if there's any long-term
effects
and nathan pritikin talked about
bio-magnification he said that if there
was a pesticide concentration in the
fruits and vegetables
and the animal ate that it would
concentrate in its flesh a thousand
times then you eat the flesh of the
animal
a thousand times a thousand he said was
a million concentration he said there's
examples of
when milk was contaminated and everyone
was alerted don't drink it and
everything
so is it true about the concentration of
these xenoestrogens pesticides
concentrating
higher up the food chain absolutely we
should all eat as low as possible in the
food so even though there might be some
pesticides
take out the outer leaf clean them with
some kind of a organic wash and stuff
and
do your best but buy organic when you
can but you can't always get organized
absolutely no no and the most important
thing is
stuff your face is as many fruits and
vegetables as possible organic or not
but even the most
pesticide laden fruits and vegetables
like your bell peppers and strawberries
and spinach
as far as it is the benefits far
outweigh
and so there's and the pesticide
concentration is far less than in the
meat and dairy
right there for the organic chlorines
for
some classes of pesticides absolutely
concentrated particularly in the fat of
this animal
how many hours of sleep
i wish that's how i get that's how i'm
so productive is i don't get enough
um but i encourage people to get seven
hours sleep okay uh
diet can it make you tired diet can it
make you tired
sure and we'll give you energy well look
if you don't eat enough
people who are fast uh people who are
fasting water rolling fasting
i mean you got to keep these people you
know really calm and relaxed because
they just can't
they they um until they get ketotic and
get a little crazy then
i'm uh you know these people are you
know have low energy if you don't eat
throughout the day you can
feel low energy um or if you're sludging
your blood flow with high fat foods you
go to a fast food meal and eat
milkshakes and burgers
you just sludge the blood and these
these capillaries have these what's
called
low formation where you have these these
blood cells sticking to one another
you just don't can oxygenate your brain
the same
um and uh you don't have the the your
your endocrine
function 20 less oxygen in the brain
just after a fatty meal
it's unbelievable he coined it
lipotoxemia he said fat because of its
blood viscosity
it would clump the blood there was a lot
of reasons but you know one of the
things that we
we look at is that i for 38 years of
under a microscope been showing clients
what their blood looks like while i do
their triglycerides and they showed that
pulse perennial triglycerides was more
important than fasting because we don't
walk around fasting all the time
there was a very high correlation with
high triglycerides during the middle of
the day after eating
and diabetes and heart disease far
better correlation than fasting
so do you like it that i show them on
the microscope high power awesome
and they see the blood cells stick
together
to just inspire people how to become
diabetic in six hours i'll send you this
cool where i actually eating plain
potatoes and fruit
and my blood levels are clean my
triglycerides are low at 45 and i drink
olive oil and within a couple hours you
can see
my triglycerides and then i eat
something with more fat and then you see
the blood plumping and all the fat in
the background my triglycerides are
through the roof
and then i pass out literally i'm like
unconsciously
so give me the five top things final
about all right
yours talk in your book the most five
important things that
ah most most important things that one
can do
well educate yourself right become a
critical thinker what are your favorite
books and
and websites um so uh mentors in here
yeah yeah so um probably the best
documentary we have out now
on this topic is forks over knives um
probably
uh um uh the best uh you know the book
on the subject
of the china study um uh and uh
which hopefully soon to be eclipsed by
how not to die
uh mama that's right i'm sure that's uh
give me a glimpse of that book what's
um no so it's actually anything about so
yeah so it's two books a month so i got
a chapter on cancer so i got a chapter
in each of the 15 leading cause of death
so i have
so i don't just i have a chapter on lung
cancer chapter on blood cancer chapter
and you know i
talk about brain cancer i go through all
the major cancers um and so
and so that's one one of the the first
half of part one
is just recent all the best science
that's on on diet like christmas
mcdougall's medicine a second opinion
his first book
we're talking about yeah yeah that just
talked about right looking at some of
the kind of
um secondary prevention the role
screening etc now and then the second
but that's pretty so it's basically the
website condensed into kind of book form
uh but then the second half of the book
which i had the most fun with
was you know what do i eat how do i take
all this information
and synthesize it into kind of daily
menu plans and kind of so i come up with
like a
daily dozen things of all the foods you
should eat every day and how much and
a lot of this we don't have good science
so it's really the second half of this
book is like look
this is what how would i've done with
the available science we don't have
great questions
answers to many of these questions but
look we do the best with the evidence we
have
so this is how i've been able to so i
encourage people turmeric every day and
this is why and i go through all the
lists
and hopefully help people kind of turn
the science into kind of practical
day-to-day kind of grocery store level
kind of the book comes out december 2000
december 8th
yeah 2015. 2015 can't wait amazon who's
the public anywhere
so mcmillan is uh publishing it the
initial press run
um is a hundred fifty thousand copies
and when are you doing the audiobook
yes um this month so october 2015.
um i'm uh i'm gonna october no no i'm
going to be recording it and so it'll be
out as soon as
the book comes out on december 8th but
it's neat that they wanted to hire an
actor to do it
and uh and i i i really kind of
no everyone loves your voice how many
views do you get on your site
someone said read it you got like 750
000 a month
so 100 one and a half million one and a
half million a month you have paid you
use
yeah yeah yeah yeah but look i've been
around for a couple years now but yeah
yeah
still i don't know many others
yeah and every quarter it gets a little
higher and we've never spent money on
we don't do ads or anything i mean it's
just just word of mouth and
i have people really hungry for this
kind of good information everyone
buy this book thank you you are going to
change the planet together you can do it
all right fantastic keep up the good
work yourself thank you
