all right let's get this stream going a
little bit oh hey Thomas halberd on
there okay let's get people up in here
Oh
volumes on let me share this let me
share this on Twitter wait one sec
everybody all right don't know if
anybody's even in here hey dumb family
all right so let's do this let's get
this thing prepped up let's pull up
Heidi's Twitter let's pull up
Holly's Twitter ah what the hey I might
need to go to pro Jared's Twitter let's
pull that up too
all right dope okay
hey everybody all right I'm gonna start
recording my audio cuz there's gonna be
a podcast so give me a sec I'm gonna do
my little intro thing and here we go
alright what's up everybody welcome to
the second episode of a different lens
podcast so for this episode I am
streaming this live on YouTube again I
know I said last time that I would just
do an audio version maybe not stream but
I'm still I'm still figuring things out
so anybody who is listening to this
episode of the podcast feel free to
check out the YouTube channel because I
am going to be going over a lot of
tweets and screenshots and everything
like that now before I get started so
the purpose of this podcast is to kind
of evoke critical thinking and looking
at things from different angles as human
beings we are so emotional
reactionary you know we do things
without fully thinking them all the way
through we don't practice empathy we
don't look at things from different
sides or anything like that right so
part of this podcast is me walking
through my own thought processes and how
I kind of view things and hey maybe I'll
get some clarity on some situations but
I want to talk about this projared
situation and I wanted to do it because
I just released a video saying we owe
Pro Jared and Holly and apology and
there are a lot of opinions a lot of
views on that and as I'm looking at all
the feedback so far even though I just
released it like an hour or two ago like
it does not do this story justice to
just do a short I don't know I did like
a 12 minute video like this is very
complex I've covered into multiple
videos and that's another reason why I
want to start the podcast a do more
long-form content okay because typically
when I cover stories and everything like
that
I give like snippets updates and
everything and I think for this story
that we need to piece everything
together and talk about what's happening
in the community
as a whole now the biggest thing that I
want to talk about is the allegations
against Pro Jared sending nudes to
minors okay now I'm gonna come back to
that a little bit later I want to kind
of paint a picture discuss this story
and everything that's going on and then
come back to that but overall I want to
talk about just how we act as a society
as a community and all these things and
this whole idea of guilty until proven
innocent
okay now Pro Jared I'm gonna say this
very early on in this podcast Pro Jared
might be guilty of sending nude photos
to minors in which case he should be
locked up all right we just had a former
youtuber by the name of Austin Jones get
ten years in prison for the terrible
terrible things that he's done now this
is something that can happen there's a
power dynamic and everything like that
but but because these are such serious
allegations I want to kind of walk
through the entire scenario for
everybody because every tweet every
comment every every single person out
there saying he sent newts to minors
like if it turns out that Pro Jared is
innocent this can ruin somebody's life
and we just had this happen with James
Charles and this is why I'm personally
frustrated with the situation
so let's paint the picture real quick
okay so originally Pro Jared came out
with this tweet right here I have it up
on the screen he says my wife Heidi and
I filed for divorce
I know this may come as surprising and
upsetting for many of you but know that
we do this so that we may both seek
happiness for ourselves during this time
you may see a lot of rumors speculation
and gossip are going around I ask that
you make your own observations and come
to your own conclusions now when he
first said this when he first dropped
this I'm like oh Jared Jared you done
did some messed up things and you're
trying to manipulate the situation
because you know some terrible things
are about to come out about yourself now
looking back at this
I want everybody ask yourself is it
possible is it possible that let me find
the screenshots of it okay is it
possible that Jared said that because he
has already received messages from his
now ex-wife that said things like this
and I quote I'm quoting Heidi right now
okay like at this point I'm fantasizing
about sabotaging the game so bear that
in mind I'm going crazy Jared would be a
bummer to destroy everything you've
built but it would be way more of a
bummer to destroy myself by putting up
with it okay so I want everybody to
think about this because Jared's initial
tweet and statement that went out these
messages that Heidi was sending to him
nobody knew about nobody knew about this
okay so I want everybody to understand
now now we have a more of a context as
to why Jared said during this time you
may see a lot of rumors speculation and
gossip going around because he knew that
his now ex-wife was planning to take him
down and try to ruin his life okay so
can we all keep that in mind now
originally Heidi and I don't know if
I'll be able to find her tweets she she
this girl loves to tweet okay but
anyways Heidi came out when this
happened and said that Jared blocked her
and he only kind of and she only kind of
knew what was going on and she was able
to paint the narrative of being the
victim okay now I've seen people arguing
back and forth no Heidi is still a
victim and he cheated on her and he
wasn't honest and everything like all
right I need everybody to take a step
back and just understand that this was
just one of the messiest relationships
to ever happen on earth okay everybody
screwed up there's a lot of immaturity
the only thing is is that we are we are
all witnessing it
okay we're all witnessing it and part of
our tribal mentality is to pick a side
okay so right now I'm just talking about
the relationship and there are a lot of
people siding with Heidi some people are
you know turning around and you know
talking you know about you know how
jared is you know actually innocent and
here's the thing you guys I've mentioned
this in videos they were trying to save
their marriage by trying polyamory okay
when people get married they make vows
to each other till death do us part
through thick and thin sickness poor
rich whatever they say okay they say all
these things I haven't been married so I
don't know the whole spiel all right but
they made this commitment so it's
understandable to see two people in a
relationship doing what they can to try
to save that relationship now something
that we all need to understand when you
start trying to save your relationship a
monogamous relationship by trying
something like polyamory there is a very
high probability that things are gonna
go south okay now based on the messages
that we have seen that Heidi sent to
Jared
she was 1,000% okay with Jared exploring
his feelings with Holly all right now
the problem that I'm seeing here is is
people people are justifying Heidi's
behavior okay
let me read some more of her quotes from
these messages - Jared okay like I
really need it I don't know how to make
that any clearer I period am period
desperate period that makes me dangerous
I'm ready to start ruining all our lives
now something that I've seen people say
is well if I was Heidi and this guy was
cheating on me and going behind my back
and out about a DA I would do the same
thing this is an issue that I have and
something I'm trying to discuss on my
podcast and you know
more things is that I think we really
need to start talking about when when
are these when are these justify what is
it justified to do this like in my
opinion in my in my opinion there is not
like if we are working towards like what
is mental health mental health is the
ability to kind of have more control
over your thoughts and emotions to me
that is what mental health is all right
so to promote the idea I just don't
agree with it to promote the idea that
when somebody hurts you when somebody
wrongs you the right course of action is
to send messages like this like I feel I
feel that this is not OK this is not OK
alright
like this whole iPhone and I and because
you get into this whole tricky situation
you get into a very tricky situation
because you're trying to you're trying
to compare what you believe is morally
and ethically wrong now here's the other
issue with this you have to understand
that Heidi's sending these messages
threatening to destroy this man's life
and take everybody down with him effect
the jobs of other people who are
involved in the organizations that Joe
is a part of like this this is so
dangerous because in her lens in the
lens of Heidi she has been ultimately
wronged right in her view Jared was a
cheating scum II terrible human being
okay and I'm asking you as the community
as our society okay is it possible is it
possible I'm not saying this is what
happened but is it a possibility that
Heidi was okay with this and then
changed her mind after Jared developed
feelings for Holly
like is that a possibility because
something that we forget as human beings
is that our perception is not always
reality alright let me repeat that for
the people in the back something we
struggle with as human beings is that
our perception is not always reality
okay I just tweeted out earlier a quote
that I heard maybe I tweeted it out
yesterday all right let me let me go
through people been retweeting it not
not a not something I came up with I'm
active on Twitter go follow me okay so
I'm reading this new book reading this
new book it's an it's an amazing book go
get it it's called everything is fucked
by Mark Manson okay it's he's the author
of the book the subtle art of not giving
a fuck this is a great book everything
is fucked okay but anyways he said this
when we screw up we tell ourselves it
was some happy accident when someone
else screws up we immediately decide to
judge that person's character
okay so again ask yourself is Heidi's
perception actually reality we all have
different perceptions of things that
happen and go on so something that my
friend
kalila tweeted when I mentioned this
situation on Twitter so go check out
kalila her channel is post traumatic
victory but kalila said I honestly
popped the fuck off about James Charles
because I was triggered see PTSD for
anyone else reading who isn't Chris I
didn't realize how biased I was but like
duh so this is kalila all right she's
taking a step back and realizing how she
reacted to this situation was based on
her own personal experience and this is
what I'm trying I'm trying to get my
audience and people of the world to
understand
need to understand the way that you
react to situations is based on so many
things in your subconscious that you are
not even aware of okay
so there's another story there's a story
in this book everything is fucked about
he tells a story I think it's a
fictional story but it's a very real
story all right so let me play this
scenario out for you and what he talks
about okay
so there's there's there's a woman and
she's in she's in a relationship with
some guy this guy cheats on her okay he
leaves her for another woman so now this
woman who was cheated on
she her brain tells her that all men are
bad men are terrible I cannot trust men
anymore her brain also tells her I can't
trust people anymore okay I cannot trust
anybody because of what happened to me
all right now when something like this
happens something else that Mark Manson
talks about is when situations happen to
us we we start to think one of two
things right either they're at fault for
doing this to me or I'm at fault and I
deserve this okay
this is typically one of the two
thoughts that we have all right so this
woman who was cheated on goes into her
next relationship she starts dating an
amazing man all right she starts dating
this awesome great guy is there for her
emotionally physically he's there for
her has never given her a reason not to
trust him
all right but one day they have a
disagreement about something and she
leaves this man and breaks his heart and
now this guy this guy is now jaded
because he was in a relationship with
this woman and he's like how could she
just up and out of nowhere leave me for
absolutely no seemingly no reason right
but then this guy has the clarity wait
maybe it wasn't about me maybe she
didn't break up with me because of me
maybe she broke up with me because of
her past relationship maybe she believes
that she doesn't deserve a good
relationship because of how poorly that
last man treated her all right
so I hope you guys are starting to
understand where I'm coming from about
how our lens for how we view the world
can be created by our past experiences
so going back to the pro jared and heidi
divorce i can see a lot of people siding
with heidi
because they've been cheated on so the
problem with that and this is the
problem with the court of public opinion
okay
the problem with that is when we get
into that mode we neglect facts we
neglect evidence and we side with a
person based on our own past experiences
and that is what my friend kalila was
pointing out she was pointing out how
she was immediately against James
Charles just because she was triggered
now thank goodness somebody like kalila
has the self-awareness to see that's
where her mind went all right let me
catch up on the chats real quick all
right I think the issue flirting with
disaster says I think the issue is
finding a balance between not supporting
someone who potentially did something
very bad while also not spreading the
allegations around before they're proven
exactly exactly and you guys something
I'm very passionate about is being
against mob mentality and being against
canceled culture because that summarizes
it right there okay
like like be be skeptical of Jared okay
I'm still skeptical of Jared all right
but the point I'm trying to make is we
as a society keep freaking out about
things before evidence really comes to
light and and with the James Charles
situation I felt stupid a bunch of other
people covering the story felt stupid we
all felt stupid and a this the James
Charles situation has honestly made me
question this the speed in which I
release videos all right now most of my
James Charles videos know all of my
James Falls videos I did not delete
those videos because fortunately I was
able to cover each update from as much
of an objective viewpoint as possible
all right I took my time I really looked
at what was happening and everything
like that I was like okay cool
but I did take down two of my videos
what about projared and what about Heidi
now that new evidence has come to serve
us okay so now that we've painted the
picture all right a dying relationship
tried to save it with polyamory Heidi
encouraged Holly and Jared to pursue the
this thing and then Heidi changed her
mind we have evidence of that okay so I
hope anybody out there who's listening
to this who was siding with Heidi and
I'm not saying she doesn't have a right
to be heard we all get hurt in some way
shape or form but we have to ask
ourselves are my emotions is the way
that I'm reacting to this situation
justified all right and public figures
really need to be careful when it comes
to these things okay so also there's
some people in the chat saying Heidi is
tweeting as we speak I will go back and
I will look at these in a second all
right so something I discussed in this
video just on the relationship aspect of
this this was all messy this was all
extremely messy I don't know I don't
know all the details of Holly's
relationship with her husband I don't
know I like who knows like something
that I have to think about now that we
know that Heidi and Jared were exploring
polyamory something I have to ask myself
is what was the state of Holly's
relationship with her husband were they
exploring polyamory how much did he know
about this thing how much consent was
there as well okay but the reason I
titled my video we Oprah Jaret and Holly
an apology is because holy
holy was slut-shamed people attacked the
way that Holly looks people were saying
oh my god Jarrod how could you do this
to Heidi when Holly looks this way like
I think it's safe to say that that's
fucked up
all right now something that we do as
people as well is when we feel someone
is in the wrong we attack them
personally all right and this is
something that I really try not to do in
my videos I try to judge behaviors
rather than the person all right if you
go through my catalogue of videos I do
my best not to attack a person's looks I
do my best not to say somebody is
objectively a bad person I feel that
everybody makes mistakes everybody
screws up I I try to practice a bunch of
empathy in these situations because like
I've screwed up in the past I've messed
up and if people if people held over my
my head every worst moment that I've
ever had I don't know how I would
continue living my life
right like and cancel culture is brutal
because people immediately like they
judge your character and something
something I think a lot of people forget
about and I don't know I don't know if I
can find this this tweet but I find this
very fascinating I find this really
interesting
James Charl always Charles artist art
let me see
wait a second
I can't find it all just kind of
summarize what he said
god there's so many tweets about James
Charles
bbbbb when did the controversy happen
what was that a week ago so like all
right so May 18th all right let's look
for this I'm so so so unbelievable okay
this is when things were still going
good for James Charles before let's
stuff kicked off and talked until talk
to you is ready I'd like to know tom
ties by questionable hair choice this
dude tweets way too much so hard to find
tweets these days okay
all right I can't find James Charles
tweets believe me go check his Twitter
out if you want to what I find really
fascinating is that James Charles made a
tweet before this whole before Tati
Westbrook released her by sister video
James Charles tweeted something along
the lines of and this was this was when
people were I think I think was even
before people were freaking out about
the price of the sisters tour tickets at
$500 for VIP but he tweeted out
something along the lines of the hardest
part about being a public figure is
having people who don't know you judging
your character all right and like it was
probably the realest shit I've ever seen
James towles say that I could relate to
that I think a lot of people should be
able to relate to like it is such a
mindfuck you guys like it is just the
biggest mind fuck so that is one of the
reasons I said we need to apologize to
Holly and Pro Jared like having
thousands upon thousands if not millions
of people judging who you are as a
person without ever has meeting you
is fucked and I don't think enough
people just timeout for a second and try
to put themselves in that situation all
right like just imagine imagine waking
up tomorrow and a bunch of complete
strangers labeling you as an awful
person all right
labeling you as a liar labeling you as a
cheater just imagine that for one second
and ask yourself what that would be like
okay and that's why we need to empathize
with anybody involved in any of these
situations like I have no ill will
towards Heidi with new information
coming out people are villainizing her
which i don't think is fair either i
think she messed up I think Holly messed
up I think Jarrod messed up but for
people to judge your character without
having met you is difficult now I will
say this this isn't to create a pity
party for public figures back when I
first started my youtube channel no not
when I first started my youtube channel
but when I started covering youtubers
and public figures and trying to get you
all to relate to it something that I
kept talking about is when you when you
sign up to be a youtuber when you want
to be an actor when you want to be an
actress when you want to be any sort of
public figure a lot of people forget
this is part of it okay
I signed up for this hobby signed up for
this
Jarrid signed up for this heidi signed
up for this
anybody on youtube signed up for this
okay we have all put ourselves out there
for the entire world to judge so I just
want all of you all of you listeners all
of you viewers to just take a step back
and look at that like at the end of the
day like I'm not trying to preach some
hippy dippy world peace because you know
I just I'm I'm a realist and I just want
people whoever is whoever takes the time
to listen to the words coming out of my
mouth
I just hope to impact you in some minor
way shape or form so when
new situations pop up you pause for a
second you pause for one second before
calling somebody Holly like a terrible
person or ugly or you know whatever it
is right I just want you to pause for a
second that's it if you still send out
that tweet or leave that comment pool
but if I if I can yeah if I just saw
something in the chat James Charles
April 21st we good looking out I have
such an awesome community but anyways
like if I can get anybody to just pause
for a second and just think like man I I
have done my job
okay so let's find this tweet that James
Charles said April 21st yeah this is
back when he first this is before okay
so he actually tweeted this before he
even announced the sisters tour so think
about this so when James like this is
crazy this is crazy okay
so the context of this tweet that James
Shaw was sent out this is before he
talked about the sisters tour and people
were freaking out about how expensive it
was this is before gage Gomez came out
accusing James Charles like this is
before Totti Westbrook made her video he
made this tweet before any of this
happened alright and then he got flooded
with this exact same thing so James Shaw
said and thank you Adrian for finding it
for me James Charles says one of the
questions I get asked the most in
interviews is what's the worst part
about having a following and I think I
finally know the answer people that
don't know you making up assumptions
about your character and not being able
to defend yourself preach like I said
anybody who is a public figure who has a
following signed up for this all right
like if you want to be a youtuber if you
want to be a famous person if you want
to be a celebrity you do yo thang boo
but I just want people to understand
what comes along with it like there are
so many people who want to be a public
figure who want to be a celebrity who
want to be a youtuber I want to be
famous because their mind all they think
about is the attention the love the
admiration the money the vacations the
houses the cars you know the
relationships the sex all they think
about is all of these nice things okay
so something else that I'm trying to get
out there as a message to anybody
listening is when you try to increase
your level on the wonderful social
hierarchy of planet Earth
there are things that come along with it
okay like during my during my own
controversy during my own controversy
that happened a couple months ago I kept
sorry I'm for anybody listening I just
took a drink of something in a kind of
went down funny but anyways during my
own controversy I had to think about the
fact that I signed up for this I signed
up for this I put myself out there I put
myself in this position I put myself in
a position to say things to have people
quote me out of context like whatever it
was I put myself in that position but
this is an episode about projared I'm
not gonna go back into uh into my past
and can we all give a hand to my
beautiful girlfriend Tristan for being a
gangster at moderating the channel love
you boo
alright so anyways getting back to where
we were
projared situation the entire thing was
messy okay I'm gonna see what Heidi's
been tweeting out alright so the reason
I'm making the reason why I wanted to
hop on and discuss this in a long-form
format is this okay the other comments
that I'm getting on my video let me pull
it up real quick because this is very
troublesome alright so before
show you this I just want to say wisdom
is taking knowledge and applying it to
practical use all right
wisdom is knowledge and applying it to
practical use all right
the reason why it is important to
understand the difference between wisdom
is and knowledge is a bunch of people
can learn things and do absolutely
nothing with it all right
so going through the comments on this
video he blocked his wive death to death
tada anyways I'm there's a bunch of
comments on here saying no that's not
the issue this isn't the issue the issue
is that Jared sent nudes to minors okay
this is something that people keep
saying it's something that people are
saying on Twitter all right again like I
said at the beginning of this live
stream podcast Jared might be guilty but
the issue is in the court of public
opinion people are guilty until proven
innocent people will slap on like okay
you guys there are there are tears okay
there are tears to things like let's use
James Charles as an example being a
shitty friend okay being a shitty friend
is a terrible thing like don't be a
shitty friend don't be a dick all right
cool you're a bad friend all right but
then it starts to escalate very quickly
all right you're not just this shitty
friend you're a sexual predator okay now
a predator that is that is a rough one
okay that is a that is now we're
escalating it then it went from you
being a sexual predator to allegations
of being a pedophile and a rapist okay
like are you guys following me here like
I when I see everybody just throwing out
this stuff I'm like does anybody
understand
how serious the allegations of
pedophilia and rape are like it just it
blows my mind like Shane Dawson I swear
to God like if I was Shane Dawson I
would I would thank the Lord every day
I'm not even a religious person I don't
know if Shane Dawson is but I would
become a believer because Shane Dawson
has this invincibility shield that I
don't even think he understands that he
has there was a narrative created that
Shane Dawson was a pedophile and
everybody ran to defend him everybody
ran to defend Shane Dawson and I have
never in my life seen that happen again
it's like so again wisdom is taking
knowledge and applying it to practical
use people saw people saw the community
or certain parts of the community trying
to paint Shane Dawson as a pedophile
he'll Bobby burns Bobby burns even came
out with a video screaming at people
that Shane Dawson is not a pedophile and
Bobby burns did a great job with that
video where is it if anybody wants to
find out a Lincoln in the chat tool
because I think it's important so like
Bobby burns discussed how serious that
accusation is how how serious it is to
accuse somebody being a pedophile like
Bobby burns was like don't even use that
word do not use that word because that
is a word that can stick to somebody for
the rest of their life and Bobby's rant
on that subject was fucking mah epic and
it's like this happened what a year ago
a year ago it happened and nobody since
then has understood how serious that
shit is now like something that makes me
sick is that it's become like a YouTube
friend or even a social media trend to
accuse people of being a pedophile like
do you guys understand how fuck that is
like anybody like do you understand how
screwed up it is for it to be a trend to
accuse people of being a pedophile so a
great example of that I'm still looking
for this Bobby burns video but a great
example of that is what happened to just
destiny okay so people are gonna you
know when we talk about what happened to
just destiny he even went on keemstar
thing just destiny
keemstar okay so
keemstar brought just destiny on
dramaalert now just destiny did
something fucked up he filed a false
copyright claim okay but he was being
accused of being a pedophile okay like
the two worst things that you could be
labeled as is a pedophile or a rapist
those are the two worst things like that
you can be like I mentioned in a video I
did about Philip DeFranco the other day
like Philip DeFranco is very minimal on
his opinions on things but he is very
very opinionated on instances of
pedophilia and rape because those are
very serious things all right
so like to have somebody throw that
label on you but going back to the pro
Jarrett situation so those of you who
aren't caught up to speed on why pro
Jarrett is being labeled as somebody
sending news to minors when this whole
situation happened and Heidi started
accusing Jarrett of being a cheater and
everything like that a bunch of people
started to come out okay now as I told
this story in chronological order order
there are things to understand that hi
did Heidi did not come out with until
later okay
but in Heidi and Jared's relationship
they they had a tumblr and they started
they wanted to create this kind of
body-positive tumblr thing where people
share nudes and are proud of their
bodies and everything like that like
listen your sexuality how you how you
you know like whatever you do with your
sexuality and my body positivity and
there's something that Holly Conrad
touched on if you want to swap nudes
with people go fucking swap nudes to
people with people right
like for example Tristan and I were
watching six feet under last night and
sorry for this spoiler on a show that
ended like a decade ago but anyways this
one character starts dating this guy
that first start having sex and the guy
basically says yo I'm into like like the
whole DOM submissive type deal okay
like and then she kind of says I want to
have normal sex well and that guy's lens
that is normal sex you know what I mean
so if you know if you have a kink if
you're into that shit do your thing
now there are obviously kinks that are
bad like well let me backtrack on that
there are kinks that are bad okay I'm
not gonna say what I was gonna say cause
this is gonna be recorded and anybody
can say what I like to twist whatever
I'm about I was thinking about saying
but anyways if you have a kink go do
your thing
alright like I have friends who are into
BDSM kinks and all that shit whatever
you do you whatever the fuck gets your
rocks off do your thing there are men
who get off to women stepping on their
crotch I don't give a fuck if there are
two consenting adults and one adult says
to another adult step on my junk go for
it alright but if one adult stepped on
the guy's junk and he didn't ask for it
now we're into the the realm of abuse so
anyways getting back to the context of
this situation Heidi and Jared they
agreed they
agreed on starting a tumblr for body
positivity and swapping photos and
everything like that Holly mentioned as
long as this is between consenting
adults that's cool but if you start to
release those those photos that is
something called revenge porn which is a
felony in 48 states so something I
mentioned my video if people are if
you're swapping nudes with somebody and
it's consensual don't release them
because that is a felony all right don't
do that okay cool thanks now you know
what's interesting see this this is why
Tristan and I need to get another mic
and have conversations so what what
happens if a guy sends you an
unsolicited dick pic are you then
allowed to release that photo if it was
unsolicited would that be revenge porn
that's interesting that's interesting
think about that all right because dude
like one of my favorite things one oh
yeah but like oh yeah like flashing yeah
cuz let me tell you guys one of my
favorite things on the Internet is when
men send women unsolicited dick pics and
then like the woman gets ahold of like
his mom like that shit cracks me up
so much like you want to know what makes
me laugh it's that so anybody listening
to this or watching this if you find
stories of men sending unsolicited dick
pics and then the woman getting ahold of
that guy's mother I would love to hear
about it because it's one of my favorite
things okay back to the serious subject
now the reason Jared is being accused of
sending news to minors or swapping news
with minors is because two people came
out on Twitter and the tweets kind of
went viral I don't know where they are
anymore but to explain they came out and
these are people who are I believe I
believe they're 18 now but they're
saying at the time they were underaged
and they felt it was time to come
forward with their stories
since Heidi just released this
information that jared is an awful
person so again I am NOT saying that
Jared's innocent but again we need to
take our knowledge and turn it into
wisdom when all this James Charles shit
escalated when all the James Charles
stuff escalated people were coming out
of the woodwork and there was a viral
story that happened where where this
person created an entire fake and
photoshopped story of James Charles
sexually assaulting somebody in a
bathroom okay that story was proven to
be false so this is why I am doing this
long-form podcast livestream it's like
everybody fucking forgot that that
happened okay what less than a week ago
okay like follow me here less than a
week ago somebody created a false story
about a celebrity who was getting back
lashed stating sexual assault okay this
happened less than a week ago and yet
people still have absolutely no problem
with spreading the narrative that Pro
Jared was swapping news with minors okay
I am not saying he's innocent
but it blows my mind how we're living in
a world of guilty until proven innocent
when there was such a major major public
story that just happened less than a
fuckin week ago like I will try to give
these people the benefit of the doubt
and for some crazy reason they didn't
hear about what just happened with James
Charles I will try my best to give them
the benefit of the doubt but based on my
own personal experience I don't think
that's okay I don't I don't think that's
true I think that they're just like okay
well well James Charles proved that he
was innocent but you know what fuck this
progeria guy you know what
you know what I mean and again projared
Mitas might have done it but now let's
talk about what else happened to James
Charles okay let's talk about what else
happened to James Charles Jeffrey star
was sending James Charles messages a
accusing James Charles of sexual assault
and pedophilia Jeffrey star was accusing
James Charles of sexual assault and
pedophilia and then all of a sudden poof
jeffree star backtracked this was all
hearsay dr. dr. da and can I explain all
of to all of you why that is because
James Charles if Jeffrey star did not
back down James Charles could have sued
the ever-loving hell out of Jeffrey star
because that is just such a defamation
of character like I'm not a lawyer okay
but he I would imagine I would imagine
he could have sued for defamation of
character
um the emotional distress that he went
through he could sue for all of the
money he's lost because of Jeffrey's
spreading false information of him being
a sexual predator and a pedophile like
like think about that think about that
like I don't know like maybe this is one
of the reasons why I I wanted to do a
podcast because like the stories I
follow on YouTube and that I follow on
Twitter it's so childish
it's like and and this might give me
some backlash but this is just the way I
see it it's like and maybe it's cuz I'm
33 but we live in this world where we're
so many people online just like don't
know how to adult you know what I mean
like people don't understand like laws
they don't understand legal issues they
don't understand
these things and they just fly around
like they're like they are personally
everybody it's like everybody on Twitter
feels that they are judge jury and
executioner right like like fuck due
process I am judge jury and executioner
even though I am an emotional creature
and I don't give a shit about facts or
evidence like imagine if our judicial
system ran like that imagine if somebody
was being accused of something like this
and and and a judge was like you know
what I don't like that fucking shirt
you're wearing life in prison
let's think about that like what if what
if people like what if people were
actually convicted based on emotions
okay this is one of the reasons I like I
don't mean to be extra about this but
you guys the history of the United
States is that people will like okay the
Salem witch trials
remember those twisting yeah remember
those days you guys remember when
somebody thought somebody was a witch
and they were fucking publicly burn them
at the stake all right for being a witch
all right this is the history of the
world okay and could nobody look back
like but you guys we have to learn
lessons from history like what good what
good is soaking up all of your knowledge
and shit look what good is learning
about all this stuff if you're not like
well you know this didn't work in the
past so why am i doing it now now there
is a the one issue that we live with
today is that people like Donald Trump
like to in my opinion manipulate by
using that word like oh this is a witch
hunt
this is a witch hunt right but like all
right man you were doing some shady shit
so again projared might be guilty he
might be guilty but but you guys like I
refuse like I okay so I have a personal
responsibility as a public figure
reporting on stories and sharing my
opinion I have a personal responsibility
because I'm letting y'all know right now
I am NOT gonna be the dude getting my
ass
dude bipro Jared when when it turns out
that he's not swapping nudes with minors
that I ain't going out like that oh but
I have a responsibility as somebody
reporting on these things and sharing my
opinion and I just wish I wish more
people felt that personal responsibility
to their fellow human beings like
something I've been replying with on my
on my youtube video for everybody saying
or accusing Jared of swapping newts with
minors I'm like have any charges been
filed
has he been interviewed by police you
know what I mean like maybe it's because
I'm a true crime nerd and stuff like
that like there are things that happen
there are things that happen and
evidence happens and everything like
that
like police do not bring you in to be
questioned
police do not lock you up for 24 hours
unless there is like in most in in in
most cases right
but people like police don't do that
unless there is like unless they have a
reason to like it's the reason why you
need search warrants and all these
things like there are there are certain
amounts of evidence that need to come to
play for the police to pursue something
so again Pro Jared might be guilty but
at this point in time as as a community
as a society to run around spreading the
narrative the very serious narrative
that this man was potentially looking at
child pornography it's fucked like trust
me like I don't have any other videos
that I like I i I've been practicing
something called second order thinking
when I make my videos I do not have any
videos that I will need to come take
down if it comes out the charges are
pressed against Pro Jared for child
pornography soliciting news for minors
or anything like that I do not have a
single video that I'll have to take down
because I am NOT saying
that pro jared is innocent what I am
saying is is that it is fucked to spread
this narrative without evidence okay
and I and and witness testimony is a
very serious thing right like aside from
like fingerprints and DNA and stuff like
that in trials the best evidence you can
have is eyewitness terror I witness
testimony but even that even that only
it's still less than DNA evidence and
fingerprints and all that stuff and
here's why because it turns into an
argument of he-said she-said
all right like think about that for a
second like I'm not going again not
gonna say juror it's innocent but
something I'm trying to do with this
podcast it showed multiple angles and
think about different scenarios I think
a great example of this is what happened
to Brandon well long swab Brandon what's
the saying brandon calvillo Calvillo
brandon calvillo
great example is brandon calvillo
alright so if you don't remember what
happened to him when Trisha Paytas said
that he was dating a minor and
everything like that
Calvillo so where is it where's him and
his boo did he take that video down
that'd be weird
alright but let me share with you guys a
story of that oh shit
Tristen I think you took it down really
really Brandon you're just gonna erase
it like oh this this never happened this
part of history never happened but you
know it's funny he still has his
conversation with twist to pay this up
okay so let me go back to Edwin's
generation his video was up here
oh wait that's Dustin Daley didn't want
to yeah
whoopsie okay here's everyone's
generation I just want to show people
that this video actually existed at some
point okay alright so this video existed
at some point Edwin's generation he by
the way go check out his channel I think
I don't always agree with Edwards
generation but that's okay like he and I
might have different views on situations
but I respect I respect the fuck out of
this dude because he really he really
tries to get as much as many facts and
evidence as possible before making a
video if it's on a serious subject this
video I believe was made pretty quick
after brandon calvillo made it anyways
anyways besides go check out Edwin's
generation so Trisha Paytas accused
Brandon Calvillo of dating a minor and
having sex with a minor
that's because Brandon Calvillo and his
girlfriend when they started dating
Brandon was in his 20s she was 17 about
to turn 18 but the thing was is that
Brandon's girlfriend when she was 17 she
lied to Brandon about her age now
Brandon's story is they never slept
together until she turned 18 because she
admitted that before whether or not
that's true I don't know but the reason
I bring that story up is I want I want
you guys to ask yourself this question
alright like again I'm not a lawyer but
like that should fucking be a lawyer but
if I was if I was to defend Pro Jared
the question I would bring up is did any
of these minors lie to projared about
his age about their age sorry because if
Pro Jared was swapping nudes with
consenting adults somebody told him they
were older and sent him nudes is is Pro
Jared guilty of soliciting photos from
minors
you see what I mean and again it's very
well possible that Pro Jared knew and he
was like hehehe
this person's underage I'm gonna get
some Newt but it is also possible that
Pro Jared thought they were older now
something else I want to say is to
anybody listening I'd be careful if
somebody even looks like they might be
younger look be pretty fucking careful
okay but again like I felt this topic
needed to be covered and just explain
all of all of the thoughts that go
through my mind when looking at this
situation and like I don't mind bringing
you guys like behind the curtain to see
like my thought process as I analyze
these subjects and look at them like I
am on a daily basis I am trying to get
better at slowing down before I make a
video and form an opinion I'm trying to
do better and the first two videos I
took down on the pro Jared situation
like I talked about those situations
before both sides of the stories were
coming I had to come out and since such
serious allegations were out there I
took those videos down now with when I
covered the James Charles story like I
wonder what that is I wonder and I have
to look at my own bias you know like why
why like I never by the way like in the
videos I took down I never accused euro
Jarrett of soliciting news for minors I
I took those videos down because I don't
like I didn't like how I sided with
Heidi that projared was a cheater to
this day I I don't even think I don't
even think I would not I would not label
Pro Jared ochita like like agreeing to
agreeing to explore polyamory and then
changing the rules I don't see that as
cheating like I'm sorry like that's just
my opinion like even if that person is
like hey I changed my mind on the
polyamory thing like I just still don't
I just don't agree with that anyways I
do question my own bias because you know
what's I'm more careful with the James
whole situation if so why was I like
this is something that I'm trying to
like not just to become a better
youtuber or a commentator or anything
like that but as a better person you
know like a great example and my
beautiful girlfriend Tristan witnessed
this too and we got to talk about this
okay
so a great example is my son all right I
will defend my son until the ends of the
earth right if my son was wronged in
some way I will be there for him I will
defend him and all of that but I also
have to as a parent I have a
responsibility of looking at my my son
situations and try to broaden my lens on
this so the other day my son runs out
into the into the living room he was
playing for tonight in his room we're in
the kitchen my son runs out and says dad
dad dad how do I block somebody's phone
number how do I block somebody's phone
number right and I'm like what why he's
like this kid he started cussing at me
and saying all these things and and I
just want to block his phone number I
just want to block his phone number and
I asked him I don't mean to victim blame
but I asked him I said what did you do
nothing I'm like really Dylan really you
did absolutely nothing and then as I
started to question him a little bit
more of the story came out right and
then a little bit more of the story came
out and I'm like okay I'm like Dylan it
sounds like you you are both in the
wrong here and I told my son I said I
don't think you should block this kid's
number because although he might have
reacted to you poorly maybe he's having
a rough day
maybe he was emotional and I was like
and if and if your friend ever wants to
apologize to you he won't have the
opportunity to apologize to you because
you've blocked his phone number all
right and I want to end with that okay
like in going in these situations I
think it's important for all of us to
sit back and just ask ourselves all of
the different possibilities until we
have concrete
evidence on these situations but it is
messed up to run around labeling people
as sexual predator
sexual pedophiles why am I saying that
weird sexual predators it is wrong to do
that without evidence and I'm not saying
don't believe victims be there for them
you know but we need to be very mindful
of these situations and and trying to
end somebody's career destroy their
livelihoods because you know while a
bunch of people are feeling shitty about
the James Hall situation Andry
subscribing to them like I don't see
like the Pro Jared story didn't blow up
nearly as big and I don't feel he is
going to be vindicated in the same way
and my final thought on that is I don't
think Pro Jared will be vindicated in
the same way as James Charles because
based on people's own perception of the
situation they're still going to label
him as a cheater but I don't think it's
fair to say you're a cheater therefore
you're also potentially a pedophile like
that's not okay alright but anyways
thank you all for sitting here and
listening to all of my thoughts on this
situation very complex hope you enjoyed
episode 2 of a different lens podcast I
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