>>> SHOULD PARENTS HAVE THEIR   
CHILDREN VACCINA VACCINATED?    
CHILDREN VACCINA VACCINATED?    
>> VACCINES SAVE LIVES?         
>> VACCINES SAVE LIVES?         
>> YES, I HAVE THREE CHILDREN   
>> YES, I HAVE THREE CHILDREN   
THEY WERE ALL VACCINATED ON TIME
THEY WERE ALL VACCINATED ON TIME
WITH ALL OF THE RECOMMENDED     
WITH ALL OF THE RECOMMENDED     
VACCINES?                       
VACCINES?                       
>> DR. ROBINSON?                
>> DR. ROBINSON?                
>> ABSOLUTELY?                  
>> ABSOLUTELY?                  
>> DEFINITELY.                  
>> DEFINITELY.                  
>> THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY.         
>> THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY.         
>> DR. ANTHONY FOUSI IS THE     
>> DR. ANTHONY FOUSI IS THE     
DIRECTOR OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES 
DIRECTOR OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES 
AT IF NIH.                      
AT IF NIH.                      
THAT WAS HIM TESTIFYING TODAY IN
THAT WAS HIM TESTIFYING TODAY IN
THE HOUSE.                      
THE HOUSE.                      
WITH OTHER LEADING MEDICAL      
WITH OTHER LEADING MEDICAL      
EXPERTS ABOUT THIS NEWLY        
EXPERTS ABOUT THIS NEWLY        
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE OF VACCINES 
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE OF VACCINES 
THAT SHOULD NEVER BE            
THAT SHOULD NEVER BE            
CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL.           
CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL.           
HE'S OUR TOP EXPERT ON          
HE'S OUR TOP EXPERT ON          
INFECTIOUS DISEASES AND JOINS US
INFECTIOUS DISEASES AND JOINS US
TONIGHT.                        
TONIGHT.                        
THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO BE 
THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO BE 
WITH US TONIGHT.                
WITH US TONIGHT.                
>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.         
>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.         
>> YOU OBVIOUSLY COME AT THIS   
>> YOU OBVIOUSLY COME AT THIS   
NOT FROM A POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE
NOT FROM A POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE
BUT A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE.   
BUT A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE.   
I HAVE TO ASK IF YOU ARE WORRIED
I HAVE TO ASK IF YOU ARE WORRIED
ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC AND PUBLIC 
ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC AND PUBLIC 
HEALTH CONSEQUENCES OF THIS     
HEALTH CONSEQUENCES OF THIS     
BECOMING A POLITICALLY          
BECOMING A POLITICALLY          
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.            
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.            
>> WELL, I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT  
>> WELL, I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT  
IT DOESN'T, RACHEL, BECAUSE THIS
IT DOESN'T, RACHEL, BECAUSE THIS
IS SOMETHING THAT IS A          
IS SOMETHING THAT IS A          
SCIENTIFIC PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. 
SCIENTIFIC PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. 
WE HAVE THIS OUTBREAK CURRENTLY.
WE HAVE THIS OUTBREAK CURRENTLY.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE   
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE   
SHOULD TAKE RIGHTLY.            
SHOULD TAKE RIGHTLY.            
MEASLES CAN BE A SERIOUS        
MEASLES CAN BE A SERIOUS        
DISEASE, AND IT'S REALLY        
DISEASE, AND IT'S REALLY        
UNFORTUNATE WHEN YOU HAVE A     
UNFORTUNATE WHEN YOU HAVE A     
HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS, INFECTIOUS   
HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS, INFECTIOUS   
DISEASE, A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE     
DISEASE, A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE     
VACCINE, WITH REALLY A VERY SAFE
VACCINE, WITH REALLY A VERY SAFE
VACCINE, AND YET CHILDREN ARE   
VACCINE, AND YET CHILDREN ARE   
NOT BEING VACCINATED.           
NOT BEING VACCINATED.           
IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.     
IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.     
I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY MEASLES IS
I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY MEASLES IS
A RELATIVELY MILD DISEASE.      
A RELATIVELY MILD DISEASE.      
YOU CAN HAVE SERIOUS            
YOU CAN HAVE SERIOUS            
COMPLICATIONS, MIDDLE AEAR      
COMPLICATIONS, MIDDLE AEAR      
INFECTIONS, PNEUMONIA, EVEN     
INFECTIONS, PNEUMONIA, EVEN     
DEATH.                          
DEATH.                          
WITH CHILDREN NOT BEING         
WITH CHILDREN NOT BEING         
VACCINATED, WE'RE SEEING THE    
VACCINATED, WE'RE SEEING THE    
OUTBREAK.                       
OUTBREAK.                       
>> BECAUSE OF IDEALOGICAL       
>> BECAUSE OF IDEALOGICAL       
LEANINGS AND POLITICAL          
LEANINGS AND POLITICAL          
RESTRAINTS, THE ARGUMENT THAT WE
RESTRAINTS, THE ARGUMENT THAT WE
ARE HEARING NOW FROM SOME       
ARE HEARING NOW FROM SOME       
NATIONAL LEADERS, OR AT LEAST   
NATIONAL LEADERS, OR AT LEAST   
WANT-TO-BE NATIONAL LEADERS IS  
WANT-TO-BE NATIONAL LEADERS IS  
VACCINES ARE A GOOD THING BUT   
VACCINES ARE A GOOD THING BUT   
THEY OUGHT TO BE VOLUNTARY, THAT
THEY OUGHT TO BE VOLUNTARY, THAT
EACH PARENT OUGHT TO MAKE THEIR 
EACH PARENT OUGHT TO MAKE THEIR 
OWN CASE AND THE GOVERNMENT     
OWN CASE AND THE GOVERNMENT     
SHOULDN'T PRESCRIBE THIS.       
SHOULDN'T PRESCRIBE THIS.       
WHY IS IT IMPORTANT THAT THESE  
WHY IS IT IMPORTANT THAT THESE  
THINGS SHOULDN'T BE JUST AN     
THINGS SHOULDN'T BE JUST AN     
INDIVIDUAL FAMILY'S INDIVIDUAL  
INDIVIDUAL FAMILY'S INDIVIDUAL  
DECISION?                       
DECISION?                       
>> FOR TWO VERY IMPORTANT       
>> FOR TWO VERY IMPORTANT       
REASONS.                        
REASONS.                        
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S FOR THE      
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S FOR THE      
PROTECTION OF THE CHILD, THE    
PROTECTION OF THE CHILD, THE    
INDIVIDUAL CHILD.               
INDIVIDUAL CHILD.               
BUT ALSO, WE HAVE A COMMUNAL AND
BUT ALSO, WE HAVE A COMMUNAL AND
SOCIETAL RESPONSIBILITY TO      
SOCIETAL RESPONSIBILITY TO      
PROTECT SOCIETY.                
PROTECT SOCIETY.                
AND WHEN YOU DO VACCINES IN     
AND WHEN YOU DO VACCINES IN     
WHICH CERTAIN MEMBERS OF        
WHICH CERTAIN MEMBERS OF        
SOCIETY, SUCH AS BABIES WHO ARE 
SOCIETY, SUCH AS BABIES WHO ARE 
LESS THAN 12 MONTHS OLD,        
LESS THAN 12 MONTHS OLD,        
CHILDREN WHO HAVE UNDERLYING    
CHILDREN WHO HAVE UNDERLYING    
CONDITIONS LIKE LEUKEMIA, PEOPLE
CONDITIONS LIKE LEUKEMIA, PEOPLE
ON CHEMO THERAPY, THEY CAN'T GET
ON CHEMO THERAPY, THEY CAN'T GET
VACCINATED.                     
VACCINATED.                     
SO IN OUR MIND AS A PUBLIC      
SO IN OUR MIND AS A PUBLIC      
HEALTH OFFICIAL AND INFECTIOUS  
HEALTH OFFICIAL AND INFECTIOUS  
DISEASE PHYSICIAN, I BELIEVE WE 
DISEASE PHYSICIAN, I BELIEVE WE 
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SOCIETY
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SOCIETY
TO PROTECT THOSE CHILDREN BY    
TO PROTECT THOSE CHILDREN BY    
MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE       
MAKING SURE WE DON'T HAVE       
OUTBREAKS.                      
OUTBREAKS.                      
AND YOU MAKE SURE BY ESSENTIALLY
AND YOU MAKE SURE BY ESSENTIALLY
VACCINATING EVERY CHILD THAT CAN
VACCINATING EVERY CHILD THAT CAN
BE VACCINATED.                  
BE VACCINATED.                  
THAT'S PURE SIMPLE PUBLIC HEALTH
THAT'S PURE SIMPLE PUBLIC HEALTH
PRINCIPLES.                     
PRINCIPLES.                     
>> THERE'S A SEGMENT OF THE     
>> THERE'S A SEGMENT OF THE     
POPULATION THAT THINK THAT THEY 
POPULATION THAT THINK THAT THEY 
SHOULDN'T GET THESE VACCINATIONS
SHOULDN'T GET THESE VACCINATIONS
FOR THEIR KIDS.                 
FOR THEIR KIDS.                 
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE BAD     
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE BAD     
PEOPLE, BY AND LARGE.           
PEOPLE, BY AND LARGE.           
BUT THEIR THEORIES ABOUT        
BUT THEIR THEORIES ABOUT        
VACCINES ARE, AS YOU SAY,       
VACCINES ARE, AS YOU SAY,       
TURNING OUT TO BE A BAD PROBLEM 
TURNING OUT TO BE A BAD PROBLEM 
FOR PUBLIC HEALTH.              
FOR PUBLIC HEALTH.              
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE FOLKS? 
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE FOLKS? 
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE 
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE 
WHO HAVE FEAR ABOUT THESE       
WHO HAVE FEAR ABOUT THESE       
THINGS, EVEN THOUGH THOSE FEARS 
THINGS, EVEN THOUGH THOSE FEARS 
AREN'T SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN.   
AREN'T SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN.   
>> WE TRY TO GET THEM THE       
>> WE TRY TO GET THEM THE       
SCIENTIFIC AND EVIDENCE BASED   
SCIENTIFIC AND EVIDENCE BASED   
INFORMATION AS TO WHY THE REASON
INFORMATION AS TO WHY THE REASON
THAT THEY MAY HAVE A PROBLEM    
THAT THEY MAY HAVE A PROBLEM    
WITH VACCINE IS NOT A VALID     
WITH VACCINE IS NOT A VALID     
REASON.                         
REASON.                         
ONE OF THE MOST GLARING EXAMPLES
ONE OF THE MOST GLARING EXAMPLES
IS YEARS AGO, A CLAIM THAT HAS  
IS YEARS AGO, A CLAIM THAT HAS  
BEEN DISCREDITED THAT MEASLES   
BEEN DISCREDITED THAT MEASLES   
VACCINE IS ASSOCIATED WITH      
VACCINE IS ASSOCIATED WITH      
AUTISM.                         
AUTISM.                         
AND A LOT OF MOTHERS            
AND A LOT OF MOTHERS            
UNDERSTANDABLY AND FATHERS WERE 
UNDERSTANDABLY AND FATHERS WERE 
FRIGHTENED BY THAT.             
FRIGHTENED BY THAT.             
SINCE THEN IT'S BEEN CLEAR THAT 
SINCE THEN IT'S BEEN CLEAR THAT 
THAT WAS FRAUDULENT DATA AND    
THAT WAS FRAUDULENT DATA AND    
DISCREDITED.                    
DISCREDITED.                    
YET THERE'S STILL THAT LINGERING
YET THERE'S STILL THAT LINGERING
FEELING, UNREALISTICALLY AND NOT
FEELING, UNREALISTICALLY AND NOT
BASED ON SCIENTIFIC DATA.       
BASED ON SCIENTIFIC DATA.       
SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO MAKE 
SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO MAKE 
SURE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY DO MAKE  
SURE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY DO MAKE  
THEIR INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS, THEY
THEIR INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS, THEY
MAKE IT ON A REAL SOLID,        
MAKE IT ON A REAL SOLID,        
SCIENTIFIC DATA.                
SCIENTIFIC DATA.                
AND WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT, IT WILL
AND WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT, IT WILL
BE OBVIOUS THAT THEY REALLY     
BE OBVIOUS THAT THEY REALLY     
SHOULD VACCINATE THEIR CHILDREN.
SHOULD VACCINATE THEIR CHILDREN.
>> DR. ANTHONY                  
