JUDY WOODRUFF: And now it's time for the political
analysis of Brooks and Capehart. That's New
York Times columnist David Brooks and Washington
Post columnist Jonathan Capehart. Mark Shields
is away.
So, hello to both of you on this Friday night.
I want to start with something both candidates
did. They went to a city, David, that is -- where
people are truly in anguish over the shooting
of a Black man. His name is Jacob Blake. It
is Kenosha, Wisconsin.
We saw both of them go, make statements. What
did you make, David, of their different approaches?
DAVID BROOKS: Well, they were both very true
to their core mission, what they have been
running on, especially this year, but maybe
since the beginning of their political careers.
Donald Trump has been running on a sense of
menace, a sense that there is a lot of danger
out there in the world and that he is the
one to restore order. And so the keystone
of his visit was the image of him standing
behind -- in front of a burned-out buildings,
and he wants to convey that message.
Joe Biden has run as a uniter. And so he went
to speak to the Blake family. He pleased them
very much with his sensitivity of what they
were going through.
And you would have to say the evidence so
far is that the law and order campaign that
Trump has been running since the convention
has not shown much impact on the polls. He
is still down seven or eight points.
If you ask people on a whole range of measures
which candidate makes you feel safe, Biden
wins on -- any way you ask that question,
Biden wins. If you ask people, is Donald Trump
making it worse, 55 percent say Donald Trump
is making it worse.
So, the law and order message, at least so
far, and as expressed through Kenosha, not
working.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Jonathan, how did you see this?
JONATHAN CAPEHART: Well, Judy, I look at it
as -- at the two trips like this.
One was a political -- both were political
trips, but one was political; the other was
presidential.
President Trump's trip was strictly political.
To David's point, it was all about law and
order. It was all about stoking fear, white
grievance, white fear of Black people, standing
with law enforcement, which, on its face,
is not -- is not wrong or bad or problematic,
but in a city where a 17-year-old shot -- allegedly
shot at three people, killed two of them,
and those same police officers rolled right
by him, the president has had nothing but
good things to say about that person, who
was part of a militia, right-wing militia.
And so the president goes to Kenosha to buttress
that.
Joe Biden, on the other hand, I think, did
a presidential trip. He went to the Kenosha
community to meet with the community, met
with the Blake family, apparently talked with
Jacob Blake. But the community meeting he
did at a local church, where he heard from
all sorts of folks from the community, was
him sitting, listening, responding in kind.
And a young woman, Porsche Bennett, who decided
not to read the list of demands from her organization,
but instead decided to talk from the heart,
and talk to Vice President Biden about how
-- quote -- "heavily angry" she and her community
are about not being treated fairly, and the
way Joe Biden responded to that, I think,
was sort of a balm over the entire situation,
because, in situations that happen, as have
happened in Kenosha, people look to the president
for calm, for leadership.
They got that from Joe Biden. But Joe Biden
isn't the president.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, we -- both candidates
during this past week have released TV ads
that address racial unrest, address protests
around the police.
Here is just a short clip from each one.
JOSEPH BIDEN (D), Presidential Candidate:
Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not
protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple.
And those who do it should be prosecuted.
Fires are burning, and we have a president
who fans the flames. He can't stop the violence,
because, for years, he's fomented it.
NARRATOR: Lawless criminals terrorize Kenosha.
Joe Biden takes a knee. Biden and the radical
left's weak response has led to chaos and
violence, and their calls for defunding police
would make it worse.
JUDY WOODRUFF: David, what are these messages
telling you?
DAVID BROOKS: Well, Biden did something he
-- his party failed to do during the convention,
which was to acknowledge there is disorder
in the country, crime really is rising, and
there has been rioting and looting. It is
not the mainstream of the protests, but it
has been an element of the protest.
Maybe about 8 percent of the protests have
turned violent. That is still a lot and it's
still on people's minds.
And so, with that speech and then the ad they
have cut out of it, he is acknowledging that,
and he is making it a clear statement, which
we talked about last week, of setting a boundary
that rioting and looting are not protesting,
and that he is going crack down on that.
And that was acknowledging a real flaw in
the Democratic approach at the convention,
where they just didn't see that reality. And
so I think he helped himself.
I mean, his team -- the downside of his team
is, they are really experienced. They have
been a part of the Democratic Party for a
long time. The upside of his team is, they
are really experienced and they know how to
run a campaign.
And so I think they have run a very effective
campaign straight through. And it showed again
this week.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Jonathan, does that ad help
Joe Biden?
JONATHAN CAPEHART: I think that ad helps Joe
Biden, because he makes a clear line, which
is obvious to folks on the ground, that there
is a distinct difference between the peaceful
protesters, who are out there wanting their
voices heard about what happened to Jacob
Blake being shot in the back seven times by
a police officers.
That young woman I just mentioned, Porsche
Bennett, she even in her remarks said she
was there speaking not for the protest -- not
for the rioters and the looters. No, she is
there speaking on behalf of the protesters,
who want equity.
And I do think it -- I agree with David. It
is important and good that Vice President
Biden put that ad out there and made it clear
that he draws a line and a distinction.
And I don't think he is reacting to President
Trump, as much as he is reflecting the reality
on the ground and the reality as the protesters
see it. They are not part of the rioters or
the looters either.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Two other quick things I want
to ask you both about.
And, one, David, has to do with several announcements
from the administration in recent days about
rapid testing for COVID, the president talking
about we are going to have a vaccine this
fall, maybe in October.
Is all this likely to be effective in changing
the minds of voters who are skeptical about
his leadership or just don't know what to
think?
DAVID BROOKS: Well, willing a vaccine into
existence like a week before the election,
probably not going to work. That's not the
way science works.
But I have to give the administration some
credit on the rapid testing. And Abbott Labs
apparently come with a breakthrough that gives
you a chance to do testing fast. And the administration
has poured a lot of money toward that, to
get 150 million of these tests.
And for all the flaws of the administration's
COVID response, they have done a decent job
of pouring money, both toward a vaccine and
toward testing.
And so I give them some credit at that. The
-- from what I understand of this test, it's
not the ultimate solution for a testing. You
want to be able to test at home and et cetera.
But if we could do rapid testing, you could
test as people go into schools and conferences
and buildings.
If that could be effective, that is a step
back toward normalcy. And I have to give them
some credit where credit is due. They have
put a lot of money into this.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Clearly, everybody wants vaccine
as soon as possible.
Jonathan, what about the political effects
of this?
JONATHAN CAPEHART: Well, what is unfortunate
about what the administration is doing -- I
mean, great on the rapid testing.
A vaccine coming before the election, not
so sure about that. But it seems that all
of these moves are being made not because
of compassion for the sick and for the infected
and for those who died, but as a political
maneuver, to shore up a political problem
that the president has.
He has not been handling the response to the
coronavirus pandemic well at all. And I think
what the American people have been looking
for is, where is the national plan? What are
you doing to safeguard our health, but, by
extension, safeguard our livelihoods?
Because the pandemic has hit us in our health,
but it also is hitting us in the pocketbook
and our livelihoods.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Finally to both of you, this
article that raised a lot of eyebrows that
has just come out in "The Atlantic" overnight.
David, Jeffrey Goldberg reporting from anonymous
sources, but, in his words, credible sources,
that the president used words like suckers
and losers over the course of his presidency
talking about people who served in the military,
people who died in war.
He's -- the White House completely denies
this. Do you see something like this having
an effect?
DAVID BROOKS: Yes, I mean, A, Jeffrey Goldberg
has had a whole series of scoops coming out
of the Pentagon and the Defense Department
in administrations going back for decades
now. So, he's a high-credibility journalist.
This story has now been confirmed by several
other news organizations, including FOX News.
And so we can fully expect that he -- he did
call -- he dishonored the war dead by calling
them losers and suckers. And it is no so far
out of reach of what he's said in public about
John McCain and others. So, I find it completely
credible.
And that the idea that a guy who is offended
by Colin Kaepernick taking a knee, he says
that dishonors the country, but calling the
war dead losers, that is an absurdity.
And so people are rightly offended. I mean,
we get offended by this guy on an hourly basis,
but this is an offense that goes to the core
of the conservative value system, the military
value system.
And what has been shocking to me this year
is, already, even before this happens, according
to surveys of active military personnel, they
were already for Biden, which is extremely
rare, for the active military to be for Democrats.
And so he was already in trouble with this
group, and it has got to trouble everybody
who is in and out of uniform.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Jonathan, what are you thinking
about this?
JONATHAN CAPEHART: It -- I didn't think I
could be shocked anymore, particularly since
Charlottesville, about what the president
says or thinks about things or individuals.
I was horrified by what I read attributed
the president of the United States, where
Jeffrey Goldberg got basically -- on four
sources. And the fact that, to David's point,
that it has been corroborated by other news
organizations, including my own, The Washington
Post, tells you something.
And it is shameful. But I think what is even
more shameful is the silence from Republican
leaders around the nation and on -- and from
Capitol Hill.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Tough subject, tough -- tough
everything right now. It is hard to think
of something uplifting.
But we appreciate both of you. Thank you for
being here. Jonathan Capehart, David Brooks,
thank you.
JONATHAN CAPEHART: Thanks, Judy.
