here we will run an experiment and prove
that light refracts and even bends in
the air we will show how this affects
the famous stick and shadow experiment
we will show that the method by
Eratosthenes to prove around Earth is
completely unreliable we will show how
refraction can cause the Sun and Moon to
curve towards you we will explain why
refraction is one of the most important
topics in Flat Earth and how it works
greatly in favor of it other topics
covered will be the stratosphere density
gradients Snell's law fata morgana and
mirages nikola tesla the son calc
website sunsets the azimuth equidistant
map the false math of relativity the
diameter of the Sun the moon's face
light speed fallacy in several other
topics if you want to see specific
topics here is a table of contents
however we recommend that you watch the
entire video especially the parts on
refraction in our last video we proved
that air density can cause the Sun to
get cut off from the bottom because air
isn't transparent however now people
have asked about the sun's position in
the sky in its elevation angle and if it
could truly set based on estimations of
its size I decided to make one final
video on the subject to cover other
important topics a few which have not
been discussed yet in the Flat Earth
movement in the experiment we made sure
to make accurate measurements to
determine the altitude of a laser
pointer using the stick and shadow
method we simulate refraction in the
atmosphere using a pail of water then we
triangulate the difference in altitude
first you can see the setup of this
experiment so you can try it at home you
would need a laser pointer a pail of
water a thin stick and a tape measurer
we made measurements and marked them we
ran the experiment several times and
with different lights the stick and
shadow experiment method of measuring
the sun's distance is one of the oldest
round earth experiments it was widely
ignored for thousands of years by all of
the major cultures and religions until
the theories became popular again in
Europe the technique involves measuring
the height of a shadow compared to the
object that casts it then you have a
right-angled triangle if you measure the
distance of that city to a second city
or a city that is 90 degrees below the
Sun you can get a very good guess of the
height of the Sun Eratosthenes guessed
that the earth might be round because he
was unable to get
accurate lock on the sun's altitude from
this experiment it's worth pointing out
that the stick and shadow is much worse
at predicting the sun's altitude and
around Earth and it does not even use to
do so the experiment is a complete
fallacy mainly because the atmosphere is
layered these layers create a density
gradient each layer will refract the
light in a different direction because
the refractive index of the primary
elements it contains will be different
from our example we prove how and moving
from air to water the shadow will
increase resulting in a lower than
expected elevation the reverse is true
when moving from water to air or more
specifically from a high refractive
environment to a low one here you can
see us move the water in and out of the
path of the laser there are a few things
that happen first the shadow length
increases a couple of inches also we can
tell that the position of the light on
the ground has changed additionally the
diameter of the light has increased this
works against around Earth especially
when they say they don't see an increase
in the sun's diameter at sunset mainly
because the Sun would pass through water
and other refractive mediums and
absolutely increase its appearance if
their claim had any truth in it
furthermore you can even see the angle
change within the water which is quite
beautiful if we film from under the
basin we can see the Sun change
positions to prove that the plastic
container does not greatly exaggerate
the shadow or light we remove it from
the light although it does cause a
slight difference it's not as
significant as the water we take the
water out of the container and pour it
back end in this segment you can watch
as the shadow grows in the light you can
also watch the light change positions on
the ground and here for comparative
purposes we shine a regular light on the
stick here we show how the shape of the
container such as in the case of with a
cloud can do the reverse and shrink the
shadow causing the appearance of a
higher Sun we show side-by-side a ball
of crystal in the round water container
at the conclusion of this experiment we
triangulated the values of the
measurements to show the difference in
altitude the results are shown here in a
moment we will teach you how to
triangulate these many flat earthers say
the Sun is three thousand miles up it is
unclear what experiment is used to know
the true height of the Sun our guess is
no such experiment will exist anytime
soon in any case this would mean a
twenty five degree
angle at sunset obviously even with air
density blocking the Sun that is hard to
justify it turns out that the Sun and
Moon tend to set on the horizon at
roughly 10,000 kilometers away from the
observer if the stick and shadow
experiment changed due to atmosphere the
questioner rains and which direction
does it change and how does this affect
both models first of all for every
question we answer there will always be
two new questions we are all in the
search for truth with the exception of
the enemies of truth of course the
question you need to ask yourself is
what model has greater margin of error a
flat earth or a round one and the game
of pool the longer the shot the more
difficult it is to make if you are going
to claim the Sun is 93 million miles
away even the slightest change in angle
of elevation will debunk your model let
me introduce you to the absolute beauty
of refraction in this video you can see
how light bends and water in our
experiment the angle was straight but
what's happening here why is light
bending well the best part is you can
repeat this experiment at home you just
need a pail of water some sugar and a
laser pointer in our last video we
discussed buoyancy well the sugar
dissolves in the water and then goes to
the bottom of the pail to make the
experiment even more fun try adding
different dyes or even try adding oil
you can see in each medium the lights
angle will do something completely
different this is what is called a
density gradient our atmosphere is a
giant density gradient it is filled with
many different chemicals the troposphere
contains a lot of water humidity can be
30 to 70% the lower atmosphere is mostly
nitrogen and oxygen it also includes
argon helium hydrogen methane and many
other chemicals there is other levels of
the atmosphere
unfortunately off-limits to citizens the
highest unmanned balloon the citizen has
launched into the sky was 53 kilometers
because of buoyancy helium and hydrogen
rise therefore there is a tremendous
amount of those elements in the
stratosphere there is the ozone layer
filled with oh three oxygen and there is
the magnetosphere the magnetosphere can
ionize the air and obviously a magnet
can have a profound effect on light this
effect is called the Faraday effect
it's where the polarization of light is
rotate
while it travels through transparent
materials there are many lab experiments
to show electromagnetic effects on light
also this is a field that requires a lot
more study some scientists say that
magnets don't affect light but consider
that light is moving at extreme speeds
so a single magnet may not be too
noticeable however a giant magnetic
field such as the Earth's field can
certainly affect light as you can see
buoyancy absolutely must separate the
elements of greater densities
this means that NASA is clearly not
telling us the truth about the elements
contained in the stratosphere and they
are probably not telling the truth about
the air pressure there either when
hydrogen and helium rise they obviously
do not disappear
no they settle at the top and they stay
there it is almost unbelievable to say
that nitrogen is the most common element
in the sky when there is so much helium
and hydrogen rising not to mention other
combinations thereof take a look at our
buoyancy diagram this is what we call a
density gradient the cutoff lines are
actually pretty clear let's take a look
at a density gradient in a laboratory
here we can see that the light has bent
downwards and then it has bent upwards
in fact they even split the beam of
light and recombine it later pretty
amazing right still not convinced take a
look at this clip from the North Pole
Sun Mirage they see the Sun during a
time of the year where it should have
been impossible it may be due to the
magnetic pole or some other refractive
phenomenon there have been many
experiments to show how light can bend
up or down in our atmosphere over the
water it would be more probable that
light bends downwards very slightly near
the ocean line as light descends this is
because as you get closer to the water
the amount of water particles increase
this increase in density causes light to
go from a refractive medium to an even
more refractive medium this is called
Snell's law this could add to the list
of possible causes for cities to get cut
off at the bottom over the water line
what's cool about Snell's law is when
you send light back angled up from the
water the light can actually Bend
upwards this has been seen in different
Flat Earth laser tests the experimenter
has to be extremely careful to keep the
laser as straight as possible and over
several miles that becomes almost
impossible imagine shooting a pool ball
into a hole 10 miles away Snell's law is
basically an equation that is used for
calculating the change in angle of light
as it passes from one medium to another
so we can mathematically compute and
guess how much light might Bend in each
medium let's take a look at a refraction
simulator online first you can calculate
like going from air into water like in
the case of the city remember the city
is on land so the water density is lower
there as you can see the lower the
altitude of light projection the more
the light falls when it hits the water
as you can see the sharper the angle of
the light the more the light falls when
it hits the water
this works in favor of a flat earth in
any case because the city skyline would
have more trouble curving over the
horizon when moving from air to water
because it refract light downward
slightly however if you were in the
ocean and you shine light upwards the
reverse happens let's take a look at
what happens when we go from water to
air amazing right the broader the angle
of the light source the less it refracts
although in our atmosphere these changes
are subtle they are significant over
many miles let's take a look at this
site here they sort some elements by the
refractive index notice that there are
still tons of materials not on this list
and they do state that the numbers need
to be verified but this is a great
reference so we can see that hydrogen is
four times more refractive than helium
and lucky for us hydrogen is more
buoyant so for the 300 or more miles of
atmosphere depending on how high you
guess the Sun to be light will travel
significant distances bent upwards
towards the observer extreme heat or
cold from the Sun can certainly Forge
elements such as helium hydride or even
stranger elements it's fair to say
unless parts of space reach negative 300
degrees we will probably not see liquid
hydrogen however on the internet people
seem to say in some cases atmosphere is
extremely cold
it creates an inversion layer supposedly
maybe it just depends on where the Sun
is it has been estimated that there is
helium hydride in the stratosphere
however now if we consider that hydrogen
is above helium this element will form a
nice little lens compounding the amount
of refraction that the light experiences
even a thin layer would be significant
imagine the light passing through
hundreds of tiny little lenses in order
for human hydride to exist it must be in
an excited state and I think the
tremendous heat of the stratosphere
would be a good catalyst for this I
would like to see some experiments done
with refractivity of exotic materials
like these I expect it to be significant
you see an element on its own is not
even close to the refractive index of a
combined element and the direction of
refract if 'ti may indeed change
depending on the combination for example
water is significantly more refractive
than hydrogen or oxygen on their own why
the dramatic change because the elements
form a little lens let's take a look at
the periodic table sorted by density
using this we can know how some of the
elements will be ordered in the
atmosphere and what direction light will
Bend for each layer but don't let that
dominate your calculations because what
matters is the amount of miles light
will travel at the angle before crossing
into the next medium also it matters
greatly the different materials in the
atmosphere do not limit your bias to
elements only refraction increases
dramatically when you combine elements
for example how does ozone affect and
refract light and how thick is the layer
don't count on government space agencies
for honest statistics here for example
when light goes from helium to lithium
lithium is only 0.23 refractivity and
helium is more than four times more
refractive so again light refracts
upwards and quite significantly
lithium passes to argon and light will
refract downwards and it will go down
again from argon to nitrogen and then
again slightly from nitrogen to oxygen
however a big change will happen when
light passes through the water in the
upper atmosphere to air which will
refract light upwards again it's hard to
say how much argon or lithium is in the
atmosphere however ionized particles
need to be considered - and particles
such as dihydrogen dioxygen and so forth
it's no surprise that people see sundogs
and other anomalies in the sky if you
consider that dihydrogen might exist in
the hydrogen layer of the atmosphere
then when moving into helium the
refraction angle will be very
significant light will Bend for
potentially hundreds of miles up towards
the observer one quick note before we
proceed explaining our world is not easy
we realize that there will be some
debate over how much light is refracted
what point light refracts up or down
whether or not there is a dome and so
forth
we are not trying to add to the list of
theories we are simply pointing out a
scientific fact that absolutely 100%
must be discussed I'm going to assume
that because of how many factors there
are involved that being able to
calculate this mathematically is
actually impossible however lucky for us
we have evidence that works in favor of
flat earth
it's called advanced sunrise and delayed
sunset this is where the Sun sets later
than it should sometimes the Sun rises
earlier than it should this is evidence
that sun's light bends upwards towards
you in fact even according to Wikipedia
which is usually very anti conspiracy
the Sun has been seen to set and then
rise again only to set and rise within
the same hour this can be found under
the entry for atmospheric refraction
although I don't really like using
Wikipedia since news articles have been
published showing the majority of
Wikipedia edits in some categories come
from CIA data centers but let's use it
anyways to get some ideas first of all
their image for the Sun is totally
bizarre why do they have the sun's rays
pointing upwards and then bending
downwards don't the majority of the
sun's rays coming straight in fact if
the atmosphere bends light towards us
why does it ever get dark isn't the Sun
of the lens of miles in diameter anyways
the actual diagram should look something
more like this here the light comes in
straight and bends up just like we
calculated first off it says astronomers
will never shoot a star 20 degrees below
the horizon because of refraction then
it says that refraction is caused by the
temperature gradient the temperature
pressure and humidity this is extremely
interesting did they forget the
refractive index we just got finished
looking at refractive indices and they
ignore it but they add some useful
information temperature this is a huge
factor in refraction you see that the
atmosphere gets extremely cold in some
places and extremely hot and others you
will see how much this matters in a
moment here they say something else
they say when the bottom of the Sun
touches the horizon it's true altitude
is negative
did you see that that means it shouldn't
even be
and since they are assuming a curved
earth imagine if they assumed a flat
earth that would really change all of
their calculations it then talks about
an example once of how the Sun set only
to rise again an hour later that's right
an hour later and then it set an hour
after that and then it rose and then set
again within the next 20 minutes this is
a classic example of advanced sunrise
and sunset then they give some formulas
although these formulas might be kind of
useless because they would have to know
the exact elements contained in the
atmosphere and the changes in
temperature especially in the
thermosphere and then a calculation so
complex would never be reduced to such a
trivial equation however this formula is
interesting here it says the amount of a
fraction increases 1% for every 3
degrees decrease in temperature and
increases 1% for every 3 degrees
increase in temperature how these were
arrived at is not really clear it looks
like they base this off of the previous
equations and more assumptions the
numbers seem way too linear but if this
is true then the extreme cold or heat
would dramatically change refraction is
there an experiment we can do at home to
prove this equation probably not and I'm
sure it wouldn't really give us any help
on the extreme heat of the Sun and how
it affects things after all on a hot day
over the road light starts bending all
over the place we can probably just
relate this to pressure and density cold
air is more compact with more molecules
and hot air disperses with less density
so that affects the density gradient
this is why hot air balloons rise they
say you can see certain dispersed
wavelengths with a refraction corrector
which is a rotating prism but I doubt
this would work over long distances
because that light could easily be
blocked and reflected also the
refraction of light makes the
calculation of stellar parallax
completely impossible especially on the
ground in fact refraction pretty much
debunked the idea that stars are
travelling up to a billion light years
to reach us the probability that light
would be refracted curved and generally
moved all over the place it may as well
be a hundred percent since they're
saying that there are stars that are
quintillions and septillion zuv miles
away even a change in a trillionth of
one degree would cause
light to miss the earth completely at
the very least you would see stars
disappear for a little while to reappear
again have you ever watched a light
moving in water notice how it bounces
all over the place it's convenient for
an acid that they'll tell you that space
is just infinite miles of vacuum even
though they've really never been out
there this is probably another reason
they tell you the galaxies and solar
system are flat to avoid the amount of
protests they would get otherwise
also if astronomers avoid filming stars
20 degrees above the horizon because of
refraction that alone is enough to prove
to you that their calculations and
parallax are not scientific or reliable
if you triangulate a ten thousand
kilometer Sun set at 300 miles high to
the ends of the stratosphere we get a
two to three degree angle of sunset this
certainly makes the Sun easier to block
with air in fact anything within 10
degrees is worth discussing another
reason why the subject is so important
is because it can potentially explain
why the moon only shows one face flat
earthers tend to ignore this problem the
moon no matter where you stand shows the
same side what type of magic holography
is this well if you consider that the
atmosphere is potentially bending like
towards the observer then it makes sense
that a flat light would change its angle
towards us in the atmosphere let's take
a look at some different types of
holography while we are on the subject
here you can see a coin appear on top of
a cylindrical base no matter what
perspective you view the mirror it looks
like the coin is sitting on top of the
base try to grab it it's not there the
trick is in the mirrors on the inside a
brilliant little design like a
cylindrical Pepper's Ghost of course
there are almost endless ways to design
a system like this now let's take a look
at luma graphic lenses these things are
completely awesome
depending on the angle that you view the
lens you can see a different image this
type of lens is an art form and here is
cast a our augmented reality glasses
they use two projectors and reflect them
off of a retro reflective surface back
to your eyes everyone sees a unique
image
anyone can make a pyramid hologram at
home here I filmed a holographic moon
myself using a simple pyramid made for
my transparent sheets for those people
who theorized that there
a dome or firmament above us whether it
is made of ice or any other material
that could definitely reflect light back
to the observer at various angles in
addition to reflected light there is
projected light light from a projector
expands as it moves away from you
however this also depends on the shape
of the lens a flat light source like a
television screen would cause almost no
increase in size as you move away from
it perhaps this is why the Moon and Sun
have a slightly round appearance it
would also be another possibility to
explain why the Sun does not shrink as
much as people anticipate also the
further you are from the Sun or moon the
sharper the angle is to them and the
greater the refraction also the more
miles the light must travel through the
thermosphere to reach you and of the
more profound a small change in angle
will be have you ever seen a moon set
have you noticed that it almost always
seems to move faster in the sky the last
few moments as it descends the Sun seems
to do the same thing right before sunset
it quickly drops a few degrees Y finally
on this subject we can see hundreds of
examples of sundogs double Suns double
moons and other things like this in the
sky it's hard to make sense of these
sightings and decide which ones are
valid however multiple Suns is a pretty
common occurrence also interesting as
the alleged sighting of Rahu which is a
semi translucent disc said to be the
cause of eclipses something similar to
this could cause the moon's phases or
considering that the Sun and Moon are
constantly refracted this introduces a
wide new range of possibilities for the
moon's phases so let's check out a
website called Sun calc org many flat
earthers come to this site to attempt to
measure the sun's height in the sky by
triangulating elevation angles first of
all how does son kal-el evasion angles
it doesn't they guess them based on what
they believe the curvature of the earth
to be although the angles have just been
completely disproven let's make some
observations if we use this site we can
find out that the Sun set almost always
happens at ten thousand kilometers away
from the Sun or six thousand two hundred
miles this means roughly the elevation
angles the site gives you will go down 9
degrees for every thousand kilometers
from 90 degrees dead center
you can test this yourself there will be
some variations let me show you how to
calculate the sun's height in the sky
it's easy when you know how I chose a
city that was on the equator with a
90-degree elevation angle to the Sun and
at sea level to make this very easy then
I chose multiple cities at random I will
link my choices and results in the
description now we measure the distance
of our cities by using the longitude and
latitude I'm going to use Google Maps
however before I proceed there's one
thing you must know and never forget
Google thinks the earth is round so that
will cause distances of cities
especially at long distances to be wrong
Google also uses the Mercator map one of
the most blatantly inaccurate Maps ever
drawn Greenland on that map appears 13
times larger than its square mileage the
equators move downwards and the northern
hemisphere is drawn almost twice as
large as its actual size countries that
are anywhere from ten to fifty percent
of the size of other countries are drawn
much larger the excuse given was it's
hard to turn a ball into a flat map but
that doesn't explain why the northern
hemisphere was so exaggerated nor does
it explain why Mercator chose to shrink
some countries while he greatly
exaggerated the size of his European
employers at a very minimum the map is a
racialist there is other map options too
Google could be using the Peters
projection which is far more accurate
because at least Peters tried to draw
the countries more true to their size
why in 2016 does Google still use this
ridiculous map so is there a map that
accurately shows the size of countries
of course there is this map is called
the azimuth equidistant map this map
projects the countries on a circle each
one being the correct distance in
relation to the center point the North
Pole the Egyptians use this map for
stellar maps it matched the Stars they
will try and tell you that the southern
hemisphere is exaggerated but is this
true no if you look at the size of
Africa and South America they seem to be
almost precisely drawn the same size as
their square footage also if it is
inaccurate then why do many modern star
chart planisphere is use the polar
azimuthal equidistant projection in the
case of radio this projection allows for
directional antenna aiming especially in
the case of HF communications so
answer here is it is used because it is
the most accurate map we have this is
why it is the UN flag logo and this is
why flat-earthers use it round earthers
will argue that Australia is not in the
right position but it is this is why you
can calculate sunsets 10,000 kilometers
away from Australia and this is why the
Sun almost never appears south of
Australia and why the azimuthal
equidistant map works for all
telecommunications and projections
another point here is you get 24-hour
sunlight near the North Pole during the
Arctic summer but you never get this in
the South Pole
you can prove this on Sun calc which
will never show the Sun to be south of
the tips of South America and Australia
also there is one piece of footage that
was claimed to be oven Antarctic summer
but that was debunked as fake as for
flights in the southern hemisphere such
as Qantas chilly to Sydney you can see a
video of that flight and the video shows
it traveling over ice it also shows the
passenger speaking in Spanish very
frustrated that the GPS disappeared and
stopped moving in the Pacific Ocean
while the GPS probably disappeared
because they didn't want to show them
where they were actually going if you
had West on a globe straight from Chile
to Sydney you would never detour south
so the only way you would see ice is if
you traveled over the North Pole or near
by it which is exactly what they did
there is almost no direct flights in the
southern hemisphere the ones that claim
it are constantly delayed or you have to
phone in where they end up giving you a
different flight with stop or they're
extremely expensive and the sites
usually list clearly incorrect flight
times and hours and other confusing data
on sites the reality is is that there's
almost no direct flights and the ones
that do exist could probably fly a
little bit faster without the passengers
knowing there is already many videos on
this subject all flights mapped on the
azimuthal equidistant map are almost
always straight lines because why would
the pilot waste gas on a round earth
Mercator map impossible nonsensical
detours are made ok so when we have our
distance we can then find the height of
the Sun so far a few assumptions have
been made first that the distance we
have is 100% accurate and second that
the elevation angle given by Sun calc
matches the actual elevation angle at
the day and
time you are trying to measure it for
both cities the first city must be 90
degrees below and the second city must
be the exact distance and you need to
know its elevation angle for now let's
just use Sun calcs numbers so you can
see how it's done after all this is only
to show you how to triangulate we now
have all the variables required to
calculate height we then go to a 90
degree triangle calculator we enter the
distance to the city below the Sun and
we enter the angle of elevation also
called the altitude and voila we get the
height of our Sun now this same method
was used by the infamous Eratosthenes
thousands of years ago using stick and
shadow it by the way isn't it ironic
that round earth believers will mock
flat earthers saying we believe in old
theories yet they constantly use a guy
who's been dead for 2,000 years as their
go-to argument for sun angles even when
for those two 2000 years the leading
theory was flat earth round earth was
only popular in european ruled countries
and even then it was unproven and
constantly debated only when there was
the advent of radio and television and
then NASA went to the moon did the world
change its mind anyways Eratosthenes
used to stick and shadow method for
measuring the height of the Sun however
he was unable to determine the height so
he assumed we were on a curve you see if
the earth is curved you only need to
know the angle of elevation and not the
sun's distance very convenient we don't
have to care anymore you see in a curved
model the Sun can be anywhere along the
same tangent as long as the diameter of
the Sun matches our perspective because
in this model the Sun is not moving
relative to the earth even though they
say it zips along the universe at a
zillion miles per hour
however the Prophet avoids solving it
creates hundreds more for example if you
try to calculate the sun's distance
using known cities with the assumption
of a curve you get some pretty
ridiculous results ranging from 1
million to a hundred million miles
sometimes the stick will be pointing
away from the Sun and you won't be able
to calculate it properly imagine trying
to shoot a pool ball into a hole that's
a hundred million miles away could you
do it you can see how many times the
Suns estimate a distance has changed for
the round earth model over the years
with margins of error of a hundredfold
this obviously is not the scientific
method you have literally zero margin
error and absolutely does not match what
we measure with stick and shadow when we
are strictly trying to know the sun's
height so why would people who believe
in around earth force flat earthers to
follow strict measurements that they
themselves don't follow
how can a citizen determine the sun's
distance on around earth
they can't only Space Agency's claim to
do this and here's why you see
calculations of the Sun distance have
been made by looking at the alleged
parallax of Venus over the Sun they
don't share the intimate details of this
test and I doubt it could produce the
same results twice this number cannot be
calculated without assuming the distance
trajectory and speed of Venus assumption
built on top of another assumption they
say they determine Venus is distance by
transferring radar signals to other
planets something based falsely on the
speed of light which we will discuss
later and of course results that can
only be confirmed or denied by
government space agencies because you
know you and I aren't going to be able
to fly to Venus anytime soon the Flat
Earth model does not believe that
planets are Terra Firma
they are just lights which makes sense
because they appear to emit light the
Flat Earth doesn't make many assumptions
instead they constantly research and
they perform scientific experiments that
anyone can perform although in this
video we have speculated on different
theories for the moon and chemical
makeup the atmosphere however this is
done to hopefully inspire more research
into the subject the stars and heavens
remain mysterious until we know
otherwise this follows the scientific
method until the problem is solved we
remain agnostic however there is a lot
of videos on the subject of CGI and how
preposterous NASA's images of the
planets are it's like they don't even
try ok so the results of my experiment
we're as follows as you can see the Sun
appears lower the further away it is
from the centre point why is that
because they're assuming a curve so that
would cause the predicted elevation
angle to not have our distance in a
straight line causing a steeper angle up
until sunset using some calc the closer
you are to the Sun higher the result
keep this in mind because the higher the
Sun the higher the elevation angle needs
to be when the Sun sets ten thousand
kilometers away this means the more air
that it needs to block the Sun or the
lower it must appear due to converging
lines of perspective and of course
refraction also I've noticed that a lot
of people do the stick and shadow
experiment and relatively nearby cities
and I've noticed that there isn't really
that many stick and shadow experiments
done near sunset anyways we are not
going to use Sun calc we are going to
use real measurements from real people
and guess what it's extremely hard to
find anyone on YouTube who filmed
themselves using the stick and shadow
method and gave their time and GPS
location but I did find one video from
Poland made in 2013 let's take a look at
their results here is the link of Sun
calc for you to calculate the angles
from the results of the Poland
experiment now at this location Sun calc
says the elevation angle is 45 point
seven three degrees Sun calc is usually
set for a universal time and they might
subtract or add hours depending on your
IP address in our case it was UTC minus
seven which is three a.m. UTC which is
ten minus seven which is exactly 12 p.m.
and the time they listed in the video
the Polish kids measured forty-three
degrees that's off by almost three
degrees but of course these angles will
never be accurate because of refraction
so if the earth is round then why did
the results of these kids not match Sun
Cox predictions if we were to
triangulate that shadow to calculate the
Sun based on a curve we would never make
it to our 93 million miles Sun but in a
flat earth it's okay because the Sun is
close and we care about knowing its
nature and distance so now I'm going to
choose a city on the equator I chose
this location okay so that's apparently
four thousand eight hundred and eighty
kilometers away from our Polish kids
this makes the Sun roughly two thousand
eight hundred and thirty miles high
great so now we know why flat earthers
thought the Sun was anywhere from one to
four thousand miles high so let's now
find out the angle at which the Sun
should set remember four thousand eight
hundred and eighty kilometers is
extremely far that affects our results
too
so let's go back to our triangle
calculator and plug in these numbers we
assume the Sun will set at about 6,200
miles away or 10,000 kilometers now we
get 24 point five degrees
for the Sun set for the time being let's
ignore refraction because now I want to
talk a little bit more about air density
if we use our triangle calculator we can
start to find out how far and high our
wall of air needs to be to block the Sun
at this extremely inaccurate angle this
is being done just to prove a point at
50 miles away with 20 miles of
atmosphere there is 54 miles on the
hypotenuse of lower atmosphere blocking
the Sun that's 54 miles of dense
atmosphere clouds water and other things
constantly refracting the light that's
at an elevation of 21 point eight
degrees however it's below our target so
why stop there
that must fear extends 300 miles upwards
at least according to the Internet first
let's show some other possibilities if
we assume that after 80 miles away and
50 miles high of atmosphere we get 32
degrees which is far beyond our target
we can obviously play with these numbers
to look at different angles and
distances we can even calculate a twenty
four point five degree angle to six
thousand two hundred miles and determine
how much air is included on the
hypotenuse with each mile of elevation
now why was a 50 mile high wall given as
an example well because the atmosphere
doesn't stop at twenty miles that's why
and beyond fifty miles is the
thermosphere and they consider that
outer space in fact even at fifty miles
you can still have clouds called
noctilucent clouds
if you check online you can even see
different air density estimates for
different elevations but who actually
goes higher than 20 miles to measure
those numbers anyway oh yeah that's
right government space agencies so we're
back to trusting them again but wait if
air pressure is so low then how the hell
do we get clouds above 50 miles
well they say those are rare but here's
the thing those clouds can't form
without some sort of density and
molecules in order to form them so just
because there isn't clouds doesn't mean
there isn't molecules that's why the sky
lights up so bright for the Sun and
changes colors when the Earth's magnetic
field causes the Aurora and ionizes
different chemicals in the air which
causes all kinds of beautiful colors and
even where it appears dark there is
still very much something there the two
most buoyant chemicals on the periodic
table also happened to be ordered first
our old friends helium and hydrogen the
world record for altitude in a balloon
was 32 miles that should tell you
something that the air in the balloon
was not enough to blow up the container
then it popped of course so ok
apparently there is enough hydrogen up
there to form clouds remember things
that are less buoyant are not
necessarily less refractive everything
depends on the element considering that
on a clear day we can see 50 miles ahead
but then we can't see through the clouds
right above us that means that the
high-altitude air can also be effective
in blocking the Sun it depends entirely
on the elements there such as the makeup
of a cloud considering they say that
mysterious 300 miles up and at only 30
degrees you have to cross 600 miles of
molecules on the hypotenuse look at this
company Air Swimmers for example they
make these balloons that look like
flying fish and they just hover in the
sky how do they do it well you find the
perfect buoyant balance to
fish by adding and removing putty and
then you can get it to suspend in midair
like a cloud and then you propel it with
its fin any balloon can be made to hover
midair if the correct balance is found
this is most likely one method on how
airships can find balance for example if
you had an air intake you could probably
find the perfect balance to keep the
balloons stable in the sky I should also
mention that heat also plays a role and
causes air to expand changing the volume
and thus heat is another method to
increase elevation it may also explain
why parts of the thermosphere is less
dense to begin with because it's hot
near the Sun and when things cool they
contract so consider all of this there
are even more elements at play when we
are seeing the sunset
first there is perspective can we see
the Sun and second there is whether or
not the light is lighting us the two are
not related
for example even when the Sun is blocked
by the clouds it still lights us the
reverse is also possible and I will give
you an example let's take the example of
the moon the light is extremely powerful
but it doesn't light up the whole
atmosphere the moon's light doesn't
appear to have the same qualities that
the sun's does however it's still
visible another example a small light in
your house only illuminates locally in a
corner but it won't light the whole room
in fact the rest of the room might
appear dark lastly if we go into the
depths of the ocean the light is always
blocked by something it never travels
far at the ocean depths light won't even
go more than a few feet this is
important because flat earthers have
said diverging perspective lines can
cause the Sun not to be seen
however they probably didn't consider
that the light could illuminate things
near you however when you add refraction
then the light might not reach you this
is why air density is important okay but
let's not our large in lines let's try
to explain perspective with converging
lines now if the Sun is at a higher
angle why would it appear on the horizon
well first of all the horizon we see is
not the true horizon it must be a little
higher as proved in the air density
video second as things move to the
horizon they appear lower and the
altitude of things make them appear
angled this is why it's so extremely
hard to determine how far stars are to
us there
lights in the sky with no apparent
parallax without parallax the only way
to know a star's position is
triangulation but for that we need to
know the angles to the Stars but you
can't know the angle of something based
on its visual appearance alone you can
see where it starts getting difficult
our eyes triangulate things but the
further something is the harder it is to
determine its distance because of
perspective this is also true for
multiple cameras and 3d triangulation of
points it's a common problem in computer
science
that's why 3d reconstruction is so much
easier with parallax and distortion of
known patterns like an infrared
projector on a Kinect camera or by using
multiple photos if you enjoy the subject
of perspective and higher-level math
then I'm going to recommend you watch
videos about projective geometry by
Norman wild Berger who gives amazing PhD
level lectures on the subject this
subject used to be taught in all schools
before the 20th century but to stop
teaching it for some reason something
that Norman laments he seems to think
our math has actually gotten less
rigorous perhaps that's why there was so
many good artists in the Renaissance
period so let's take a look at this
video by phuket world the video is
actually pretty brilliant
he shows not only the size of things
getting smaller as they approach the
horizon but how they also seem to be
affected by the angle of approach in
this example the vehicles converge to
the center point of his measurement
despite going straight they all seem to
converge to the center at 23.5 degrees
this is a funny coincidence that his
observation matched the round earth
proposed axial tilt what he also shows
is that over and over again things dip
below the cameras perspective despite
being on a flat road mostly because
perspective and extremely small bumps in
the road also our eyes lens is curved
and so is the lens of the camera and
this is something that I don't really
see discussed often now we already know
that wide-angle lenses causes things
that are far away to curve this is why
fisheye lenses are totally ridiculous
choices for filming the horizon but at
what point does the lens in our eye
affect the angle of elevation and at
what point does it cause things on the
horizon to converge after all the
further away something is the more
likely it is to be affected by the
curvature of our lens you can try a
pinhole
but the pinhole camera model does not
include for example geometric
distortions or blurring of unfocus
objects caused by finite sized apertures
it also does not take into account that
most practical cameras have only
discrete image coordinates its validity
depends on the quality of the camera and
in general decreases from the center of
the image to the edge of the lens and
distortion will increase so how can we
know with 100% certainty that our visual
angle to the Sun is not affected by any
of these things and can we know that
light from the Sun can reach beyond
6,000 miles away especially when light
doesn't travel more than a few feet in
the depths of the oceans after all when
an eclipse happens it gets dark but we
can still see the Sun so what gets
illuminated and what can be seen are
separate issues completely if the
vanishing point is slightly angled and
the objects that approach the horizon
appear lower is also unclear that you
would be able to visually prove that the
Sun cannot be flush with the horizon or
diverged below it due to optics it's
fair to say it never sets at 0 degrees
anyway so what does this mean well if
the Sun turns out to be a thousand miles
high or less then we only need to
account for a 9 degree or less elevation
angle at sunset this is pretty ideal the
Sun may even be less than 500 miles high
when you start to seriously study
chemistry our atmosphere
electromagnetism refraction and optics
an unlimited amount of doors will open
for you
so the different ideas work together
perfectly and you can see how important
it will be for people to continue
research and then they start to say
things about the thermosphere like that
it reaches 2700 degrees but then they
make excuses as to why that won't melt
the ISS Brian Mullen had a very good
video on the subject if they claim to
not be melted at that height then how
did they measure the temperature to
begin with and whatever is making the
particles hotter shouldn't that also be
heating the ship one possible
explanation for the temperature increase
in space is simple they're close to the
Sun we might see a go from extreme heat
to extreme cold all kinds of elements
could be generated up there may be
highly refractive elements further
layering our atmosphere after all if the
earth is flat why should we assume the
Sun and Moon or
flying through a vacuum especially if we
know that NASA is feeding everyone false
information it's much more believable
that the Sun and Moon are something so
unbelievably awesome that it would
humble anime is all of us also light
changes speed and water and gas this is
very important and when you realize this
you will be amazed at how much modern
religious scientism falls apart light
can slow down anywhere from 3/4 to 1/3
of its speed through water and glass and
using a crystal you can even trap light
by use of a bose-einstein condensate
Danish physicist
Lynnae Vestergaard how at Harvard
University succeeded in slowing a beam
of light to about 17 meters per second
okay so why does this matter well there
are many things you can do with light
you can refract it changing its
direction you can diffract it you can
separate the waves and sometimes isolate
color frequencies like Royal Raymond
rife did to analyze bacteria without
harming it with the world's most
powerful cellular microscope that he
made or you can reflect it so this can
be an important problem because modern
scientists based all of their
measurements on see the speed of light
which they calculate an air but remember
air is filled with at least 30 percent
humidity and tons of other chemicals
that refract light it's not even close
to being transparent there is so much
air pressure that it can cause planes to
rip apart if they fly too fast at low
altitude they never measure this speed
on earth in a vacuum chamber their
official number for C is based on
experiments done in lower atmosphere
which we can prove because people
actually measure this and post those
videos to YouTube they might use an
oscilloscope in a mirror for example
let's also consider the margin of error
in their measurements and in their
equipment now if you are not measuring
see in a vacuum then how can you know
it's true speed it clearly moves slower
and air so the speed of light must be
wrong but how much is debatable however
if you suck the air out of a train it
will crush like a tin can
sending lasers from earth to be
refracted back won't work either because
it still needs to travel through the
atmosphere so who can measure light in a
vacuum it's possible that it's almost
infinitely faster so why does this
matter because it debunks the speed of
light and brings relativity into serious
question but don't take my word for
let's look at this video by Norman wild
burger again he does an absolutely
brilliant job showing you mathematically
why GPS would not possibly work without
relativity the math is absolutely
beautiful he brings up the Mickelson
Morley experiment which proves the earth
wasn't spinning because no matter what
direction you measure light the result
is the same even in the direction of the
alleged spin the globe earth was
basically screwed by the experiment
Norman starts talking about relativity
in GPS at around 20 minutes so the
problem with satellites is they have to
use atomic clocks and measure time
extremely accurately they say many
satellites are 23,000 miles away for
example or even more in some cases so
right off the bat you know that anybody
who thinks they have seen one has
obviously had a confuse of the weather
balloon or something else nobody is
going to be seeing anything 23,000 miles
away second the satellite somehow had to
get past the blazing hot thermosphere
and third why the hell would anyone send
satellites 23,000 miles away when they
can just use weather balloons or sky
wave or fiber-optic cables or
ground-based towers which is exactly
what they do and of course we have no
videos of the earth spinning and no
photos that aren't CGI composites
if those satellites were real there
would be thousands of videos of the
earth spinning and thousands of photos
well one thing that is certain is light
can move longer distances vertically
because there are less obstructions and
it's moving through a less dense medium
technologies such as sky wave for
example has been around for a very long
time and it functions by reflecting
waves off of the ionosphere a similar
effect can be achieved with balloons
sending signals from one to another now
Norman is a genius mathematician and he
explains that the results of GPS and its
ability to triangulate would be off by
milliseconds then he uses relativity in
his math to fix the problem so he's
forced to use relativity here relativity
says that time slows down the faster you
approach the speed of light but only for
you the time traveler so because the
mickelson Morley experiment didn't fit
the globe model and because they're fake
satellites would have latency they
decided that everything travels through
time
first of all Norman makes some
assumptions first he assumes that the
speed of light is correct but we already
know that light was measured in the
atmosphere and not a vacuum so it can't
be perfectly accurate
so his first assumption is based on an
incorrect number next he assumes the
government is telling the truth and that
there are satellites 23,000 miles away
now you tell me what is more logical
is it more logical that light travels
through time or that the speed of light
was wrong is it more logical that light
travels through time or the government
lied about satellites does light travel
through time or does the earth simply
not spin does light travel through time
or our satellites actually just balloons
and sky wave and ground-based technology
Tesla was one of the greatest minds in
history he discovered alternating
current it says he discovered the radio
before Marconi he invented more things
than almost anybody of his time he was
literally the father of all of our
modern technology and he didn't believe
in relativity he also did not believe in
the atom molecule and he believed that
electrons were physically impossible
look at some of these quotes by Tesla he
was obviously a huge fan of the
geocentric model Tesla believed in the
scientific method he did not agree with
the idea that you make up a theory to
explain a phenomenon that is the reverse
of the scientific method it borders on
religious dogma Tesla would lament that
science moved away from experimentation
and into math and conjecture but
Einstein didn't care he's famous for
saying if the theory does not fit the
facts change the facts in other words
what he's basically saying is I'm right
and if you don't agree I change the laws
of your reality we are men of action
lies do not become us well-spoken sir
relativity is just as nonsensical as his
idea of gravity bending space they
always show you space bending on one
plane but if gravity bent space it have
to bend it in all three dimensions on
all planes simultaneously which is
basically the same as saying nothing and
they made Einstein the man of the
century instead of Nikola Tesla or
Mahatma Gandhi or somebody else where
Tesla gave us the modern world
Einstein gave us mathematical excuses
also if the speed of light is wrong then
light years are wrong and so is every
calculation that space agencies do
stellar parallax was in constant dispute
in the early 1900s if you can't
accurately determine the exact angle of
refracted light then why on earth would
you think you can determine the parallax
of a star well there is no stellar
parallax and it is much more logical to
assume the stars go around us otherwise
the stars would move in synchronicity in
for scientists to assume the galaxy is
flat scientists also assume that the
solar system is flat but how can the
solar system or galaxy be flat that is a
statistical impossibility with no regard
for three dimensions believing this is
almost a religious belief why do people
agree with this so who's the bigger flat
earther us or them I have an idea don't
assume the galaxy that's alleged
zillions of stars is on a flat plane and
instead simply assume the earth is flat
exactly as it appears they never even
give a satisfactory reason as to how
they think the solar system became flat
in three dimensions I doubt you will
even find a working computer model for
that theory although I'm sure somebody
somewhere has made us a pretty animation
most modern theories are hardly ever
questioned if the subject of stars
interests you I highly recommend you
investigate this further so what about a
theater light for measuring angles
well surveyors use them all the time
they are however not very useful for
extremely long distances not to mention
as distances increase so does your
margin of error so another question
about the Sun is if you use the solar
filter then the Sun will not shrink in
diameter well first of all there is very
little footage if any of the Sun for 24
hours through her solar filter sunrise
to sunset also most of the footage zooms
in on the Sun this makes a continuous
shot
harder however thanks again to fukken
world who shot the Sun through a solar
filter and he posted his results and we
do see a diameter change however round
earth believers give us their videos
showing the size not changing however
most of these videos are very short and
thus inconclusive so which one is it I
would like to see the Flat Earth
researchers perform a 24 hour time lapse
with a solar filter and no zooming so
the shot is continuous also the
atmosphere refracts the Sun and it
increases the diameter of it as it
passes through air the further the Sun
the more air it will pass through and
the more it won't shrink as much as we
expect it to this was explained in my
first video also it depends completely
on the light source and the lens of the
light source for example when you use a
projector the image actually gets bigger
as you get further away from the
projection by the way in my first video
a few people wanted to know how I can
prove that we were walking backwards
well you see the diameter of the light
shrink and in one shot you can see the
light overhead the reason it descends so
fast is because we sped up the footage
300% in fact you can tell a lot of the
clips that we use for sped up to fit the
video within the audio and get it within
10 minutes we walk backwards from the
table in the room to the end which is
about 15 feet away plus you can do it
yourself do it with two cameras if you
like do it with the lights on even the
results will be the same in order to set
it up just use transparent sheets cut
them into different heights and stack
them on top of each other the more
sheets for each layer of atmosphere the
denser that layer of air you can also
experiment with different gels and
simulate different elements some people
ask why does the Sun approach left to
right or right to left in different
hemispheres well obviously that depends
entirely on which way you are facing and
if you are north or south of the Sun
I've noticed the people use these videos
where they show a stick and shadow going
around a little piece of paper with
north marked on it but this is clearly
wrong because if you are south of the
Equator the Sun will be approaching from
the east which will be on your
right-hand side if you're facing north
and it will cast a southerly shadow on
the stick as it moves from right to left
the shadow will appear to move
counterclockwise if you perform the same
stick and shadow experiment north of the
Sun the shadow will move in the other
direction
of course the Sun can't change from
clockwise to counterclockwise the sun's
path at the equator is never straight up
and down on a flat earth at 90 degrees
under the Sun the Sun should always
swing in slightly northernly also the
Equator is not possible in a round earth
model the equators position in both
models depends entirely on the season in
a flat earth the Sun traces different
circles spiraling outwards for the
seasons and around Earth
you can't have an equator because axial
tilt this causes the earth to be on one
side of the Sun six months later the
side of the earth that was tilted
towards is now tilted aways that's their
explanation for seasons but it doesn't
actually make any sense look what would
happen to the South Pole if the South
Pole was ever exposed to the Sun like
that the temperature would rise
dramatically but if you compare north
and south pole temperatures the South
Pole is always a lot colder
so which model better explain seasons
easy the Flat Earth model the Flat Earth
model has the South Pole along a much
larger line and further from the Sun
Also equatorial countries keep a very
consistent temperature year-round and
northern cities got unbelievably hot
like Vegas and making colleges despite
being slightly above the equator this is
because in the Flat Earth model the Sun
spirals inwards and outwards depending
on the season in the Flat Earth model
the Sun spirals would average in the
center of the equatorial line giving a
pretty consistent temperature but it
would move slightly above and below it
to account for seasons and would still
be distant enough to set from everything
we can also measure 10,000 kilometers
from every single point from where it
says both models explain varying
Daylight Time but the round earth
suffers from the fact that the earth is
on the other side six months later
forcing them to prove the impossible
why isn't day and night not flipped six
months later so the Flat Earth is a lot
more modest in daylight times if the Sun
is further south its circuits near the
southern hemisphere countries for much
longer
also the sun's speed in the Flat Earth
increases during that time then it
spirals inwards into a smaller circle
some people have theorized about a dome
and although that's a very interesting
idea it's a little bit beyond the scope
of this video there are many theories
out there some think there is more land
some think there is a dome was
absolutely certain is we are not on a
spinning ball also core post
raises strong evidence that the Sun is a
lot closer a great video by P brain was
done on the subject where he shows how
the light angles would come in now you
might say that this is due to
perspective but the problem is
corpuscular rays are pretty localized
there are also hot spots from the Sun
and the angles of corpuscular rays are
extremely sharp the Sun appears closer
because it is finally we come to one of
my favorite subjects and that is the
subject of fata morgana fata morgana is
a complex form of superior mirages that
is seen in the narrow band right above
the horizon this optical phenomenon
actually dramatically favors the Flat
Earth in my previous video I explained
how the water line can appear slightly
higher due to the tremendous amount of
water particles near the water's surface
which can form an inferior and superior
Mirage fata morgana is usually layered
and usually inverted or both inverted
and straight well when you zoom in on
the horizon you are only looking at this
extremely thin line of the horizon it
becomes pretty self-evident that after
40 miles strange things can start to
happen with compounded air what do you
notice about every Mirage that you see
well first of all they're completely
awesome they're also pretty common over
water and over the hot desert or in
extremely cold climates this Mirage here
is awesome look at how it looks like a
flying ice wall one thing that most
mirages have in common is they are wavy
with fractals and sometimes they look
ghostly looking compared to the
time-lapse of the Chicago skyline there
is absolutely no way this is a mirage it
looks nothing like the images you just
saw the entire city is intact and
there's no wavy lines or inversion
layers also things that you can see
within 10 miles away at sea level like
boats islands and other shorelines and
so forth should be more than six stories
below your line of sight
these are daily occurrences go to the
beach and prove it to yourself and
remember it squares with each mile on
the curve so each mile becomes more and
more impossible to explain on a ball and
easier to explain on a flat plane we can
even see some things up to a hundred
miles away on a day with good clarity so
we can obviously tell the difference
between what is and what is not a mirage
look at this crazy Mirage over the
desert road it looks like the road is a
pool of water and the car drives into it
and almost gets devoured by the light
now an inferior Mirage usually causes
the illusion to appear below and the
superior Mirage usually causes the
illusion to appear above the superior
Mirage is usually considered a little
more stable because cold air stays below
on the horizon line however any air
current or heat on the water from the
Sun will cause the heat to mix with it
and that's why they're extremely rare
flat earthers avoid the subjects of
Mirage and refraction but this should be
their favorite subject it usually works
in their favor superior mirages are more
common in northern climates over ice
because there the air is cold enough to
make the effect more probable if
inferior mirages and fata morgana are
more common and we can prove that the
majority of mirages are actually
unstable this type of Mirage is
commonplace in the desert and over lakes
inferior mirages are not stable they
will constantly shift and change forms
we have been told that mirages are more
common near the horizon line so if
people are saying that the Chicago
skyline is a mirage then they must give
examples of inverted cities and prove
that this is a common and everyday
occurrence also because air density
forms a gradient it's unclear that a
superior Mirage would be able to happen
to an entire city over a lake and also
you can see the Chicago skyline any day
you desire the visibility in the time
lapse of the skyline is obviously due to
clarity when the clouds clear it's
visible also this is just one of tens of
thousands of examples any day you can
visit the Bolivian salt flats or see
mountain ranges or cities for miles you
can see other islands and boats on a
daily basis
sofe inferior mirages are more common
would it not be more reasonable to
assume that it has an effect on the
water line normally causing the water
line to appear slightly higher and also
consider the effect that our atmosphere
has on light when you study it you will
be amazed and your eyes will open and
you will know the truth so hopefully
this video has been helpful I'm going to
attach a frequently asked questions to
this so researchers can make their own
videos based on what they have learned
here this video was meant to be a very
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there goes the moon
now somebody explained to me what is
going on how is the moon moving across
screen I'm not doing anything the
buttons on play you can see the time and
the lower left little left-hand turn and
they're off
nope it stopped so maybe it's gonna hang
out there for a little bit because we
all know the moon moves so slowly around
the Earth takes 20 oh wait a second the
moon's moving
holy smokes watch out it's gonna hit us
yeah that's real so honestly I need one
of you
NASA groupies to tell me what is going
on here please explain to me my my
imbecilic mind is not capable of a
scientific thought I guess so you'll
need to come in and tell me what's going
on because that makes no sense
