AS A
HIGHER THAN AVERAGE CRASH RATE
WHICH IT DOES MOST OF
THE TRAFFIC A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON
THE TECHNOLOGY DRIVE IS TURNING
RIGHT OUT. 
BUT THERE ARE SOME LEFT TURNS
AND MOST OF THE CRASHES WERE
ANKLE LESIONS WITH LEFT TURKEY
VEHICLES. 
SO WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO DO IS
RESTRICT THE CROSSWALK, CROSS
TECHNOLOGY, DRIVE THEIR INSTALL
SOME SIGNAGE PROBABLY INITIALLY
WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS CASH
ADVANCE AND DPW TO INSTALL SOME
INTERSECTION AHEAD SIGN SO
MOTORISTS ARE AWARE THAT THERE
IS AN INTERSECTION AHEAD.
AND HER LAST COMMENT WAS
THE SIDEWALK ON THE PROPERTY
ADJACENT TO WESTWARDS TO BE. 
SHE JUST ASKED THAT WE MAKE
SURE THAT THE SIDEWALK
PEDESTRIAN RAMPS THERE MEET ACA
REQUIREMENTS AND WE WILL DO
FIELD MEASUREMENTS OUT THERE
AND IF THEY DO NOT BUY WE WILL
MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO. 
AMANDA NATASHA ON SEPTEMBER 1ST
SENT AN EMAIL WHICH WE RECEIVED
WHICH HAD FOR ADDITIONAL
COMMENT BEFORE COMMENTS.
THE FIRST SAYING YOU KNOW
THE RESPONSES TO HER TO OUR
PREVIOUS COMMENTS ARE
ACCEPTABLE TO THE PARKING IS
ADEQUATE.
AND SHE JUST TOOK CHESTED THAT
THE APPLICANT NOT ON THEIR
WEBSITE AND WITH SOME ON SITE
SIGNAGE JUST THE DISPENSARY
SHOULD PARK IT WOULD MAKE SURE
TO EVERY EFFORT WE CAN TO MAKE
SURE OUR CUSTOMERS PARK ON
THE SITE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE
AD SPACE AND MAKE SURE THAT
THEY DON'T PARK ON OUR WALL
STREET. 
THEN AGAIN SHE JUST WANTS TO
AUTHORISATION ON THE SIGNAGE WE
RECOMMENDED FOR WESTERN STREET
AT TECHNOLOGY DRIVE AND THEN
THE GLASS MATTER WAS SHE WANTED
COORDINATION AND WITH
THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN
WHICH IS A CULMINATION OF ALL
OF THE DOCUMENTATION WE'VE
PROVIDED IN TERMS OF
THE TRAFFIC STUDY TERMS OF
THE OPERATIONS PLAN FOR
THE FACILITY. 
BACK WHEN THAT MEETING HAPPENS
WITH THE APPLICANT AND
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT SHE
IS KEPT INVOLVED IN THE LOOP ON
THAT. 
SO THAT SUMMARIZES OUR
RESPONSES TO THE CITY TRAFFIC
ENGINEER. 
NOW WE'LL BRIEFLY
>> VISE CHAIRMAN SAID I TEXTED
THE CHAIRMAN RUN THROUGH
OUR AFTERNOON RESPONSE IS TO SES
HAVING ANY TECHNICAL ISSUES AND
I SPOKE TO THEM EARLIER TODAY TO
THE VII I
S
Y 1SO H4TEH 2 S02HO0ULD
 B
E J
OINIMENGMORA BUTNDUM HE
DOESN'T JOINED AND MAYBE IN
NEXT FEW MINUTES I THINK I FIR R
M
E
NTSHIS VOICE.
>>. 
 HEL
AGAIN I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE
PLEASE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
, 
MNATASH TA BOMROUG MHTIKE THI. A
W
I C
CLEARARIFIE YOUD LOUD AND CLEAR
LOGGING THIS TRIP DURATION
WAS BASED ON LAND USE CODE. 
OK.
ABSOLUTELY 82
AND WE USED.  A 300 S
QU
 FOOT
AREA BECAUSE THAT REPLIKERESENTD
THE RETAIL DISPENSARY AREA.
THE REST OF THE AREA IS REALLY
DEAD SPACE RESET RESPONDED TO ME
THSAT N'LLOT HELP
 WOR
K.
GE
NERA
ONRIEPS SECOND.
OK, THANKS. 
 BUT I WILL COME
BACK TO THAT IF EVERYBODY WESOR 
THE 
SECO
STROY TOM, I WAS JUST GETTING
WARMED UP IN THE BULLPEN. 
 THEN THE COMMENT
NUMBER>> I GOT ABOUT 10 MINUTESO
AND I'M HIT IN THE LEG. TWO O
F
HE VHISII OLD
MEMORANDUM AND NOT JUST POPPINGP
ON ME SO THEY INDICATED THAT
THERE WOULD BE TWO HUNDRED
EIGHTY FIVE VEHICLE TRIPS ON I L
IN
AVOERAGE THE T NWEETUMBEED CR.AS
T
INBUT YEAH I KEEP HITTING HITTIG
THE LINK AND NOTHING HAPPENED. 
THAT IS BASED
YET.
ARE YOU DOING THE LINK TOM ON O.
IN ACTUALITY
THE BECAUSE THE AGENDA WENT OUT
FOR THE SEPTEMBER 10TH MEETING.
I'M WONDERING IS THAT BECAUSE IE
ARE
IT DIDN'T? 
NO, I'M ON IT. EXACTLY
I'NM P GONOINANT ON THE T OURHE.
OKRIBUAYTION FOR THE PROJECT. 
TONIGHT. 
YEAH.
 IT
WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT THEYFAI 
NO ONE. 
I'M JARED. 
YUP.
WOULD END UP BEINGYEAH O.NE HUND
AND SIXTEEN TRIPS TO OR FROM
WALL STREET. 
BUT THEN AGAIN THERE ARE GOINGJM
'
 GONTONA SPLIT THAT TWO DRIVEWA.
THEY'R KNOE NWOT I GOITNG S TOOL
T
DECI
DE
ONO DEO POI TOMNT AND. 
SOME ARE I'L GRELAT.  LET
U GYOUO K EASNOWT. THAT ALL T
HEO
SOERME A
RE
NGME TOMBER GSO THE BOR WDEEST.L
.
SO YOU BREAKOKAY SO IF YOU'D LID
GET STARTED AND IT DOWN.  HOPEFL
Y
HAIF YTOU L
 AYOTU'RE T AHE PBLEEAK TO T HHW
S
.AND T
E DISTRIBUTION
BREAKING DOWN THE HIGHEST PEAK
HOUR THE GENERATOR THE WEEALKDA.
YEAH. 
WELL.
EVENING PEAK HOUR YOU ACTUALLY
END UP WITH 14 OF THIS. 
THERE'S NO DEDUCTIBLES WORSE
THAN THAT OR AT ST. OVER TWO
DIRECTIONS WHICH IF YOU REALLYNL
.
I MEAN I GET
EVEN FURTHER IT COMES DOWN ON
AVERAGE TO ONE VEHICLE EVERY 8
1/2 MINUTES THEIR COMMON NUMBER
THREE, THE INTERSECTIONS ALONG
WESTERN STREET ORDER HAVE ONE
OR MORE YEAH I GOT IT.  M
OVEM
TS.OKAY LET
 M
 T>> TRYHEY'RE OPERATING OVER TR
DESIGN CAPACITY WITH EXTENDED
VEHICLE QUEUING AGAIN CONDITIONT
WILL BE EXASPERATED BY
THE PROJECT F WHICH NO
IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN OFFERED
BY THE CLIENT. 
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF UNCIVILIZED
INTERSECTIONS. 
>> OKAY IN THIS AREA. 
THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT FREE
COPING. 
OH GO. 
 WITH SHEEPHERDER AREAS A
SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF VOLUME. 
HOWEVER THE CUEING THAT WE LOOK
AT WE REDID AS PART OF THIS
RESPONSE. 
ACTUALLY THE NEXT RESPONSE WE
READ IT ALL THE INTERSECTION AC
ANALYSIS WE UPDATED THEM ALL
BASEDI SEE YOU COMING IN.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT MEANS THAT ONE
THHUNDE TERECHD SNICAQULARE ISSA
D
RE
TH.E ITC
>> TRAFFIC GENERATION AND
THAT INDICATED THAT THERE WAS
NOT SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN
SHOOING CAUSED BY THIS PROJECT
FURTHER JUST TO SORT OF I KNOW
THIS OKAY. 
I THINK HAPPENED BUT WE WE RAN
TH THAIS STIMILAR TRAFFIC GENERN
COMPARISON SCENARIO AS TWO TO
OTHER POTENTIAL USES WHICH TO
GO ON TO SAY THAT WAS JUST
THE ECHO FROM YOUR PHONE SINCE
YOU'RE EXPECTING WITHOUT HAVINGO
HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT UNLESS
YOU COM HPUAVETER A A DRISVE T
HR
H
WE
LL. 
PROB
LYSO I JUST MUTED YOUR PHONE ANT
IF WE TRIED TO PRINT A
CONVENIENT STORE ON THE SITE, 
IF WE PUT THE BUILDING DOWN IT
WOULD GENERATE ALMOST THREE
TIMES AS MANY TRIPS AS WHAT
WE'RE PROJECTING AND EVEN A
FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WOULD
GENERATE ALMOST TWICE AS MAN. Y
IPSOKAY P.EOPLE
I THINK THERE WE GO. 
 LIGHT UP JUST
THERE THERE IT IS. 
SO I JUST TRIP AS A COMPARISON
AND WE USED TO WEIGHGOOD EVENIND
WELCOME TO 300 SQUARE
FEET FOR EACH OF THESE USES
WHICH IS THE PLANNING BOARD
MEET, ING FYOOR SUEPTE KMBNOW,EE
FOR WHAT EACH OF THO
SE S
ES20 2
0
MIGHT HAVE. 
AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT
THE CAPACITY AT T AHEND DRIVE AN
THE AGENDA
AND ISSUING OF VEHICLES EXITING
OUR SITE WILL BE APPROVAL WHILE
THE AUGUST 17TH ON OUR SITE.
THERE'S NO QUESTION 20 20 MINUTF
YOU LOOKED AT IF YOU COMPARE
THE UPDATED PAST ANALYSIS
RESULTS, THER
MR NOT. C AHAIRMA
N
SILLGN MAKIFICE AANT
MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES
AS SUBMITTED INCREASE IN CHEWING
CAUSED BY OUR PROJECT. 
AGAIN, THEY TALK ABOUT
THE IMPROVEMENTS, OK?
DO WE HAVE THE MOTIONS MADE?
WE HAVE A SECOND TO WESTERN
STREET AND TECHNOLOGY PARK
DRIVE AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT M
E
AS P CHIARANT OGF
MAI SET INTO MOTION CATASTROPHER
HIS COMMENTS. 
BUT I WOULD JUST WOULD.  LIKE TO
INTWE HAVE BEEN WATCHING REMAINS
TECH AND FANTASY II OUT THAT BAR
PROJECTIONS I.
HI I'M DURING THE A HIGHEST
 B
PE MEMAKBE HOURSR WITH MUCH GRER
SATURDAY VOTE IN
FAVOR TO SAY I BUY THERE WOULD E
APPROXIMATELY 34 ADDITIONAL
VEHICLES ON THE THROUGH
MOVEMENTS THROUGH THA OKATY.
IN
EVTIONER OYBODN AY I SNATUR OPPG
NONE
WHICH IS A LESS THAN 2 PERCENT
INCREASE IN OVERALL TRAFFIC SHE 
THAT MATTER IS APPROVED
COMMON NUMBER 7. . 
 WMOASVE A ALONG O QUENSTION T .
WE HAVE A CONTINUATION
TENDENCY WHICH I THINK GEORGE
SUMMARIZED FAIRLY WELL. 
NUMBER EIGHT A. 
CHITEIEF
PLAY IN MY VIEW AND A SPECIAL
PERMIT ALLEN I'M NOT 0 GOING TO2
0
 1INTO T WHATESTWOOD BEC
AUSE
 BSTASICREETALLY
WHAT I HAVE IN MY FUL RLESPONSET
O
HIS OH H
SEE REPORT TO THE I LAWNC SEE
KI
ITPOLIE PCE DLAEPNNINARTMGENT O
N
RETVIEW A
THCIALE  POPERERMIATIOTNS WOU
APPROVAL TO OPEN A.  RECREATIONL
MBMAER NRIJUINANEA DISPENSARY AT
THE ABOVE ADDRESS.
HETH IE PROPERTY STA ISTE LD TON
U KLAFANOWYE, TTEWHEN PAR TKHEYO
MARIJUANA DISPENSE ZONING DISTRT
AND THE USE REQUIRES SITE PLAN Y
HAVE A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND
PARKING MANAGEMENT THAT
REVIEW APPROVAL UNDER S RECEALLY
THELEVATEN'S A POI GNTOOD FOU IO
AND WE HAVE PROVIDED AND
SPECIAL PERMIT GOOGL
E
INFO
RM
N WELEVHIENCH W POIOUNTLD FOU
R
COINCIDE WITH THE TRAFFIC AND AY
RELIEF A
S R
UIREACDTION BY PLA THEN L FOROWF
L
ZOYNING ON THIS MATTER WAS A. 
CO
NT
TISO TON BHATY A S MUMMAEETIRINA
TTHEREFORE I WILL PICK UP WHERES
THWE RES LEFPOTNSES OFF AND. THN
WE
ON'TYEST HAVEREDAY TO START FROM
THE VERY BEGINNING. 
IT'S NOT A MAK ABOEUPUT CONTINUO
K
I COULD
THE AFTERNOON WE RECEIVED BASEBT
T
HEMAIRDE UP
 AND
RTAUGU OVESTR 1, AGA 201IN0.  1M
R
DUMTHIS IS WHERE WE PICK UP WHEE
WE LEFT OFF. 
I KNOW WHAT THE LAST MEETING
TH
PLWHICICANH HTAD A FEW MORE COMK
FOR WELL OVER HALF AN HOUR.
SO WHILE THA. T STUFF I
S
ANLREAD IDY JUS
IN THE RECORD, A LOT OF CONCERN
THAT THAT WENT BACK WANTED TO TN
THEM BRIEFLY. 
>> DOING LAST
TIME WAS THE BACKING IN
THE TRAFFIC LET'S GRAB THE WRONG
DOCUMENT.
I'M SORRY.
ALL RIGHT.
HERE IT IS THOUGH TONIGHT I'D
LIKE TO PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT
OFF AND NOT START AT THE FIR
ST
OMMETHE NTBE INGINNING THINKINGT
WE'LL FIND IT OVER AT THIS
POINT. 
THE COMPLETE
THE VII MEMORANDUM SAYS THE F I
SEE THE DISPENSARY MR. CHAIRMAN
ATTORNEY TOWARDS THE 8 OR 133 RD
FOUR THOUSAND THIRTY SQUARE
FEET AND THAT THE TRIP DURATION
MARKET STREET REPRESENTING
THE APPLICANT. 
I WANT TO THANK YOU V
ERY
HSHOULD BE BASED ON FOUR
THOUSAND THIRTY SQUARE FEET
FOR OPENING THIS MATTER UP AS A 
SPECANDIA SL MO WEETIHANGT T TO 
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT
E COIS WMPE'ARISRE GONOI TONG TP
L
GENERATION
THE QUESTIONS 1 WHEN THAT
MEETING ENDED LAST TIME THERE
WERE A NUMBER.  OF ISSUES THA
T
NO
WE METRE BHORODOLOUGHTGY F I UOS
SIMILAR AND A
NUMBER OF QUESTIONS PRE TOSENTET
WAS IDENTIFIED IN
SO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD T AHEND E
CLTRAFEARFI TC MHOSEEM UORANP.DM
D
D
 ASOUGUST
1 WITH US TONIGHT IS GOING TO
BE AGAIN JANET COOPER AS,  WELL9
AS H TOWHE C THEY O MCKAYLA STEW
WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THIS
ALL FEM DALEVELEOP
TRIPS FOR A DISPENSARY WHEN
IT'S IN EXCESS OF LED COMPANY.
MATT HAM 3MER,000 THE ENG SQUINR
FEET. 
THE ITC DATA. 
MIKE ALLEN, HEAD OF SECURITY. 
THE ARCHITECT JOHN RIGHT NOW ISY
LIMITED AND WE ALL KNOW THAT
BUT CARBONE AND
THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER PAM IT IS S
TWO OF THEM ARE THREE, I DO
WANT TO TOUCH UPON ONE THING
THAT WE DID HAVE THOUSAND
SQUARE FEET OR LARGER.
AND TWO OF THEM ARE A SUBMISSION
OF A BIT OF A RESPONSE THAT WAS
SENT IN ACTUALLY
FIFTEEN HUNDRED SQUARE FEET AND
SMALLER FROM PRINCETON
PROPERTIES FROM VII ASSOCIATES
WITH RESPECT. 
AND SO WHAT THEY HAVE SUGGESTED
IS THAT TO THE TRAFFIC
WHICH WAS SENT WHEN YOU LOOK ATA
DISPENSARY THAT'S MORE THAN
 YES
AY3000 SQUAR
E F
TAFTERNOON.
IT WAS A LATE SUBMISSION. 
WE YOU SHOULD
COMPARE IT TO THE DISPENSARY
WITH SUBMITTED ALL OF
THE MATERIALS ON THIS AND
UPDATE Y WOUITH KNOW THI TS OHO.
AND THAT'S WHAT I DID IN THIS
COLUMN
12TH.
SO IT WAS A S HERUFFIECIENT.  PD
OFIF Y TIMOUE TAK TOE R OESPOUTO
DATA POINTS IN THE ITC DATA TO  
NEVERTHELESS IT WAS RESPONDED
TO LAST NIG AHT.ND
USE THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE STRIP
GENERATION THAT YOU COME UP
WITH THISSTAFF WAS ABLE TO RESPT
.
WE DID GET COMMENTS FROM YOU ENE
SHIPS WHICH ARE EVEN LESS THAN
IF WE
NATASHA VANCE, THE TRAFFIC
ENGINEER WHICH WILL BE
RESPONDED USE THE 20 300 SQUARE
FEET THAT WE USED IN OUR
 TANALOYSIS AS WELL. 
I WANT TO POINT OUT ONE ELEMENT
IN WHICH TAKES INTO
ACCOUNT ALL FOUR DATA. 
SO THE REPORT IS THAT THEY WE AE
NUMBERS.
THEY
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE DIFFICULTY IMPEDING TRINITYY
ARE BASED ON
AMBULANCE TO RESPOND FOR
THE USE OF KHALIL ST THE IP. 
THEY RESPOND TO NEX TTHAT DIRECY
CO
ENT.IN THI
S R
EP
ORT. 
I ASKED THAT THAT BE STRICKEN
TRINITY AMBULANCE HAS NTHOTEY S
PR REFOVIDEREDENCE ANY D IAYNFON
OPPOSITION TO THIS.
THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED ONE
THE DISPENSARY LOCATED IN
NEWBURY, MASSACHUSETTS WHICH
WOULD INCREASE TRIPS BIT
OPPOSING THIS MATTER.
THEY ARE OUR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR 
ON
 HUNANDDR TED AHEY'NDRE SIX OURI
N
S.THE BU
IL
NO AS D WATAELL. 
THEY THEY HAVE N NOTO COME I FOW
S
AN
PRD AOVNYIDEDTHIN FORG W TITHISN
WHERE H WITOWH THESE DOU
BTS
 WERE
RE
ECT OBTATO IINMPED AEDINNDG THER
ABILITY TO GET I'M NOT SURE D TR
S
ITT.'S EVEN REP
THATIVAT'SE A OFN INF
EREN
HATHIST'S
DRAWN HERE AND IT'S WRONG. 
 AREA AS IT IS
APPROXIMATELY 50 MILES AWAYWHATA
NUUTMBHWESER OTF ISSUES THAT WET
. THROUGH LAST TIM
E T
 TTHEIALKERD THIRD
 COM
AB TOUALKST T AENBOUTDENCIES. 
A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH RESPECT
TO WHY WE'
RE
AGUPYIAINGN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE D
THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU
WOULD ADD TO PEARL STREET ALL TS
SPACE. 
THE FIRST FLOOR A FLOOR WHICH
CONT. AINS
AND IF WE USE THEIR METHODOLOGYY
SQUARE FEET YOU WILL
,YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY FOR
TRIPS THAT WE GO TO PEARL
STREET NOT 400
THE LAY OUT OF THE PROPERTY
AGAIN.
BUT WE AGAIN THEY THEY HAV
E
BRIN OCCGUP UPY AGAIN WE
THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR AGREE
THE EXCE ASSNDIVE CRASH RATE
 AT
TH
E EN
ANCETHE  TOWE TSTERHE ENXI STRTR
E
THE ENTRANCE. 
WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT BATHURST ST
SIDE TO THE EXIT ON CASTLE
STREET SIDE THEY TALK
ABOUT THE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS
AND I'VE T IOUCHTED O HASN TO BA
CONTINUOUS USE OF THAT.
>> ONE T THINGHE SPA ICE WOU
LD L
K
E TSECUORITY REA
SONS
POIN
WE CAN'T HAVE COMMON TAKING IN .
WE CAN HAVE OTHER TENANTS ON
THE FLOOR.
THE DELAY NUMBERS THAT ARE
REFERENCED IN THE DEAWE
 CMEOUMORALD ONDPEUMRATE WHICH H
WITH MUCH LESS SPACE. 
BUT ARE TRUE.  WE
HOWE NEEVEDR, O TONE M OUSTCCUPS
O
SPACE FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. 
AS
THE FACT THAT THE UNCIVILIZED
PAST A ANALYSIS MET RHOESDOLOULY
THAT'S FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY
FOUR SQUARE FEET
WE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS USE IS
VERY, VERY RECEPTION AREA
OF 81 SQUARE FEET A POINT OF
STEEL CONSERVATIVE. 
AN. D PARTICULA
TWHENO H TUNHE PDREDOI ANTND S
IY
O
NEFRC
SQUARE FEET.
THE ACTUAL DISPENSARY RATIO FORL
1
MOVEMENT
FI TFTHE IY ONTERNE ASENDCTIO TT
YE
 TOVEST BIBEULE IS SEVENTY THREE
N
HI FEEGHERT T WHIHE MCH MATAKHEL
TWENTY THREE HUNDRED SQUARE
FEET WAY IT. 
CALCUL
ATES
HOSEIT W SASAID A CNUZ I ITSSUEW
H
GO RESESPECT TO
HOW MANY BIOLOGICALLY IT' ESMP S
E
ST GOIRAIGNGHT T LINOE IT'
S
ARABBE TOLHEARE WILL I 15 TO 20
EMPLOYEES
THAT RISES AT A VERY HIGH RATE 0
WILL BE ON THE PREMISES
.
LA ANYSTLY THEY
ONHEEY C TIMONCUE WRITH O
UR
RAWITHTING
HOURS BEING TEND PARKING. 
 TO A SUNDAY
THROUGH SATURDAYAND I DON'T THIS
NECESSARY TO STAY.
YOU KNOW WE HAVE PARKING SO A
LOT OF CONFUSION THAT CAME
THROUGH WITH RESPECT TO IDENTIFX
SPACES TO PARK FOR
THE PARKING AND THE TENDENCY TEF
THE BUILDING.
THERE'LL BE ADEQUATE PARKING
FOR THE BUI WLDINEG
HAVE A PARKING LOT THAT
CONTAINS FIFTY ONE PARKING
SPACE. . 
FI
YWE H THEAVEIR F LASIFTETEN COME
APPARENTLY SPACES
ARE COMMITTED TO T TRINIHEYTY MT
H
AMBULANC
MISE ASSED IT IN THE RESPONSE BT
WE HAD ALL THAT ON THE SECOND
 I
ORMAFLOOTIRON WHEN
 YOU
ETHAT'S SUBMITTED TO LOCAL
POLICE DEPARTMENT ON
 A
N
THE TRANSPOR
TATI
 DEMADDIANTIDONAL
 BRO
RICKMA LNAGEAW FMEIRNT AMND T
HE
E
RAWITIONLL BSE OCC
PLAN AND SO I HAVE TO A S PORAYF
.
THCONDANK FLO YOROU V ASER WY M 
. 
THEY'LL WILL BE OCCUPYING 400>>,
EIGH CTOVER HUNEDDR EVEED ARYTHX
SQUARE FEET.
THEY WILL BE REQUIRED
WE'VE COV TOERED A HLLAVE
FOUR PARKING SPACES UNDER I'M
SORRY THREE PARKING SPACES
UNDER ZONING ONE SPACE FOR
EVERY FOUR HUNDRED SQUARE FEET
.
TRINITY AMBULANCE THE COVERED
ALL.
>> I LOST THE SCREAM,  ACONDVERD
K
ALLN
BRODERICK BOROUGH OFFICE THE REW
L
MR. CHA
IRMA
BE OCCUPIED THE ENTIRE SECOND
FLOOR WE WOULD LIKE TO
RESERVE SOME TIME FOR FOR
. 
REBUTT
AL I
 NEC>> WESSAERY WILL BE OCCUPYIG
THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR. 
 WHI
CH
CONSISTS OF FOUR THOUSAND
THIRTY SQUARE FEET ANDBUT BACK.E
>> THAT
REUDQUESIRED TO HAVE NINE SPACES
UNDER ZONING WHICH PRESENTATION
AND CONCLUDES THE RESPONSES REQE
SPACE FOR EVERY FIVE HUNDRED
SQUARE FEET. 
SO
THAT WE'VE THA MTADE IS ESP NEC 
HOWEVER IF YOU TAKE THE FIFTY
ONE WITH
RESPECT S TPAO TCESHE M TRAINUSR
THAT TRINITY AMBULANCE HAS
MINUS THE THREE SPACES OR
BRODERICK LA
.
ICEOK.  THEN
 YOU
THANK Y
TANSELKE T.HE SIX
 S
S THATONE THING I KNOW THAT KEN
DIDN'T BRING UP THE TEN ARET RED
CURRENTLY LEASED THE PRINCIPAL
PROPERTIES WHICH THEY WILL LOSE
THOSE
MISS MRS W. VILLANCE BE LEASED L
HARVEST LOANS. 
WE HAVE THIRTY THREE MEMO FROM
SEPTEMBER 3RD SPACES
ONSITE THAT ARE THERE FOR OUR
CUSTOMERS. 
IN ADDITION TO THAT WE PROVIDED
INFORMATION. 
>> NO, HE DID TO YOU WITH RESPET
TO AN OFF SITE PART NOT TERM INE
AND THIS IS NATASHA.
NATASHA, HOW ARE YOU THIS
EVEN AINNG
AGREEMENT FOR 15 PARKING SPACES
FOR THE PROPERTY? 
I'M GOOD.
HOW ARE YOU? 
 AGOODCROS, TSHANK YOU
. 
THE ST
RE
NSO I CASTL DE SON'TTREE KTNOW S
DRESSED AT FIRST. 
IF NOT, WELL, I SHOULD DRESS
LIKE
DIRECTLY ACROSS THE REAR OF
THE BUILDING PUT FIFTEEN SPACES 
IF I'M WITH ME NOW WE'LL LET
KEN
ARE GOING TO BE DEDICATED FOR AD
EMISPLCUSSOYEE TSHIS EARLIER.
KEN. 
WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT IT'S IN
WRITING, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEADD
ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS THERE YOT
TH. RESPE
CT T
SOHE T E-MHEREAI IL FS NROOM CON
I
N
 WITNAHTASHA V
AN
RESPECT TO THAT WHEN YOU ADD UP
ALL THOSE SPACES WE HAVE A
TOTAL OF FORTY EIGHT SPACE. 
WE HAVE MORE PARKING THAT'S
REQUIRED. 
WE'RE OVER PAR.
WES WILL.  NOT HAVE
 AN
SS>> AUEND AGAIN, WE CAN SEE YOU
SPEAKING BUT YOUR SLOW MUTED WIH
PARKING SPECIFICALLY W NOE WON'T
VE AONNE R ISSEAUEDS L WITIPHS .
WHAT WAS ALLEGED BEFORE OF
IMPACTING PARKINGTHE CASH ADVANF
SEERE'PTSEMBE ANR I 3SSUE WITH L
STREET AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO O
BE
THED BE NAY FTIULONALL H AARSSON
IS OCCUPYING THIS BUILDING
SEPTEM FBERROM
THEIR CUSTOMERS OR ANY OTHER
TENANTS IN THE BUILDING. 
THERE ARE HUNDREDS O 0F,
AP THEARTM LENETTETS IRN THI
S
REA ACENDIVED Y
ESTE
. THE OFFI
CE
KSO AREA AND THA STHE ARE TALKSO
T
PR
STTHINGE FU THETURERE THAT ARE
OWNED BY PRINCETON PROPERTY ASIC
VOLUMES. 
SHE CONCURS. 
DEAR. 
I WOULD ASSERT TO YOU THAT IT TA
T
IDDLIS TEBHEURYIR IS FAR
AWAY AND MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE
.
BUT THEIR TENANTS AND
GUESTS OF TENANTS SHE DOES SUGGE
AGREE TO ATTACK THAT ARE
IMPACTING WALL STREET. 
WE'VE TAKING MEASURES MONITORING
PROGRAM THAT WHENEVER BY WITH
GREAT EXPENSE TO GO AHEAD DURING
THE DAY TIME THE BOARD BUSES
USED TO BLOW AND
PAY FOR ADDITIO TNALO PARKING SE
T
HRSPEEACES
MONTHS, SIX MONTHS A YEAR AND
TWO YEARS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF  
STRE
 TOSH ME SEDIAAIDTE AND TO
MITIGATE THIS PROBLEM ON THE INF
WESTERN STREET TECHNOLOGY DRIVE 
NOW I WANT TO EXPLAIN TO YOU
THE TENDENCIES THERE WE HAVE A
LETTTHE ERSEA IS OPEN TO OTHER
REMEDIES AT THE INTERSECTION
BASED FROM THE LANDLORD THAT
EXPLAINS THE CURRENT TENANCIES
AND WHAT WILL A HPPROAPPEPRIANTG
ANALYSIS AFTER FALL
HARVEST MOONS OCCUPY AND
PROMISE TO SUMMARIZE
THE PARKING YOU HAVE THE LETTER
WHICH IS S AIGCCEPNEDTABL BYE TR
SUFFICIENT DELIBERATION
THAT DESCRIBES THAT WHEN FULL
HARVEST MOONS TWICE A
WEEK BY THE END BY IMPACT
PARKING DECREASE SINCE THEY OCCS
PREMISES AND IS FULLY PERMITTED
PARK IN THAT HATCH TOWN AREA.
THEY WILL OCCUPY THE ENTIRE
FOREST FLOORTHEN AGAIN THE BASEH
IS CURRENTLY OCCUP OPEIEDNI ONGS
 LASPLANT AT STEPPING OUT DANCE
STUDIO WHICH IS OWNED BY GEORGE
WILL SIR WILL NEED APPROVAL BY T
BE RENEWED AND FEBRUARY
THE LAPD AND HERSELF. 
SO WE CONCUR 2021
THAT SPACE IN THE BASEMENT WITHE
COMMENTS AS WELL.
THANK YOU SIR. WILL
REMA>>IN VACANT WITH AN AGREEMET
WE HAVE WITH THE LANDLORD SO
THERE CAN BE NO FURTHER
TENANCIES WITH RESPECT TO
THE BASEMENT THERE CAN BE NO
FURTHER IMPACT THE PARKING IN
THIS PARKING LOT IT WILL BE A
STATIC SIT TUAOTION A WHENYRE LS
O
 WHACONTTIN DIDUE
THAT INDICATE?
YOUR APPLI TCAOTION I MEA HN.AVY
R
BUT W
SPACES IN THE PARKING LOT AND
FIFTEEN SPACES THE A APPLICROSCI
S
THE 
REETDA. TE NIGHT
. 
RO
BE
AWAT T FIRHISM W PILOINTL B AENR
AT THIS POINT HAVE NOT
FROM T
HE S
ONDNO. FROM T
HE F
IRSTNO. 
FL
WE TO J TUSTHE S WECEREOND FLOOD
THEY YOU WILL KNOW, OCCUPY WE'RS
E
W
ITHGOING
 TO
NSWETRINRIT ANYY A QUEMBULSTANI 
AND ANY ADDITIONAL I CURNFREORMN
THTHAT IE FIS RRSTEQ FUIRELOORDI
S
OK
TH.
NATHNT WANKORK Y OOU VPPORERTUY 
BUT JUST ONE TIME I'M GONNA
OPEN UP D TO AND THE PUB
LIC.
ON
 T
ECI'MOND G FONNALOOR STA THERTRN
ATTORNEY GAF BY ASKING IF
ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR 
THEY ARE TENANTS AT WILL
 AND
MATT
ER
STH EVEEY WNINGENT FULL HARVESTN
OCCUPIES THE BUILDING THEY WILL
BE. 
ANYBODY IN FAVOR ASKED TO MOVE. 
WE CAN'T, IN FAVOR, IN
FAVOR.
I KNOW WE DID RECEIVE A HAVE ADL
TENANTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR BUNCH
OF LETTERS AND WE DID RECEIVE
ONE LETTER IN FAVOR.
SO WE WILL PUT THAT SO
AS A RESULT THE END RESULT WILL
BE FULL HARVEST MOON AS AN
EXHIBIT 9 4 IN FAVOR FOUR
THOUSAND THIRTY SQUARE FEET IN
 A
TTHE FI THIRSST FLOOR
 T
TYPOINT T
IM
AMBU
LANC
I'LL GO IN.
ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK AN
OPPOSITION TWENTY SIX TO THIRTY
NINE USABLE SPACE ON THE SECOND
FLOOR AND BRODERICK ANYBODY IN
 W
 FOPPOIRMSITION
ALSO ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND
THE PACKING WILL CONSIST OF
THIRTY THREE SPACES FOR FULL
HARVEST CAN OPPOSITION MOMENTS S
FOR TRINITY AMBULANCE AND THREE
SPACES FOR BRODERI YCKES LAW FI 
>>ON P IROPERT WOUIESLD CALL FI 
HELLO WILL LOSE
THE SIX BASIS THAT APPEAR WITH
AN AGREEMENT THAT WE EDWARD. 
WE CAN HEAR YOU SO YOU CAN HAV O
W
RIGHT AHE
AD. 
THE 
NDLORD WHICH IS EVIDENCED
BY AOKAY.
 A SIGNED LETTER FROM
THE LANDLORD.
I ALSO WANTTHANK YOU, MR. CHAIR 
I'M EDWARD CAULFIELD TO POINT OT
SOMETHING ELSE HERE THAT WE ALL
KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN 589
PRINCIPAL BY LAW AT THIS
PROCESS FOR TWO YEARS, TWO
YEARS WHEN WE MADE OUR
APPLICATION TWO YEARS FROM
THE TIME FOR THAT CITIZENS OF
LOWELL APPROVED OVERWHELMINGLY 9
RETAIL DISPENSARIES WITH
THE SALE OF MARIJUANA THERE HAVE
TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND VEHICLE AS
AND THE DEPARTMENT OF P
LANN
GTRAV
EL
RAN TD DHE WEVELALOPK BMENTRIDGE
ADMONDMINIAYST THRRATIOUGHON FRA
TREMENDOUS JOB IN SPACING ZONES
OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOURTEEN
THOUSAND OUTBOUND OF
WHERE THESE THESE THESE A
DISPENSA FOURIESRT CEENANND
THOUSAND INBOUND OPERATE. 
THEY.
THEY HAVE H AADPPROVED
APPROXIMATELY TWO THIRTY IN
THE AFTERNOON OUT OF 10
THAT HAVE APPLIED TO THIRTY TWON
ROUTE THREE FOR OR
APPROVED THAT WERE C IARSEFUL NG
B
VE ATTED
PACK LOT. 
THOSE 14 BY THE ADMINISTRATION,
VE TTTEDHOUS FANOR TD VHEIREH AE
COMING HOME THAT TO
FINANCE VETTED BY THEIR
PROFESSIONALISM AND BY THAT TRAC
IS ONGOING UNTIL 7:00 P.M. THEIR
ABILITY TO OPERATE FULL
 H
ARVE
STTONIGH
MORE AON IRES SIX TRAFFIC
LIGHTS O JUSNT PAN TEROA B TREOW
ROAD
COMPETENT THEY ARE ALL ALREADY
HAVE AN OPERATION IN HAVERHILL,N
BOULEVARD, MIDDLESEX
WHICH THEY'VE BEEN IMPROVED
THAT THEY'RE BUILDING OUT RIGHT
NO SWTREET AND
PAWTUCKET BOULEVARD IN ORDER
TAKE WE ARE LOCATED ON TWELVE TO
ONE WESTERN OVER THAT WORK RICHE
HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE FOR THOSE
TRAFFIC STREET BASICALLY UP
NEAR THE CHAPTER BY. 
MANDRAKE THE MAGICIAN
THE LOCATION THAT WAS APPROVED
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY CT
COME UP WITH A TRAFFIC PLAN.
I DON'T THINK
ON ROGER STREET, ANOTHER
LOCATION THAT WAS APPROVED THE C
ENGINEER CAN AS WELL WAS
ON TRANSFERRED STREET AND
THE FOURTH LOCATION THAT WAS
APPROVED AND AT
TWELVE OR ONE WEST THE STREET IN
CENTREVILLE. 
>> THERE
THE ROAD IS THAT IS OUR
LOCATION WAS A PREVIOUSLY
GRANDFATHERED LOCATION OF ON
INDUSTRIAL, LOCATION, LOCATION.
>> THIS IS NOT A LAUGH. 
SO THESE ARE SPREAD OUT
THROUGHOUT THE CITY GOOD LOCATIN
FOR THIS RETAIL STORE AND AS KEN
SCRAMBLED BOTH DISCUSS
THE LOCATION INDUSTRIAL AVENUE
IN LAW A LITTLE
BIT LATER ON THAT THERE ARE
GONNA BE 14 WOR IKING
 DDION'TSPEN HAVSARIEES A PROBLM
WITH THAT. 
PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S GONNA BE TWO A TNDO THIS
BOCONNRROWECT THE ROUTE 3 495 AK
N
INITETY.
THTHREERE'ES YOU GON DONNA B'TES
S
TOHER ANY FOUR THAT ARE GONNA
BE OPERATING IN LAW MAJOR HIGHWE
UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT IN
TRAFFIC FOLLOW A LON. G PERIOD F
THERTIE'MES NOT GOING TO BE THIS
TREMENDOUS IMPACT WITH PEOPLE
RUSHING HERE FOR TO THESE
DISP. ENSARIES. 
AT
RNEYBUT JUDGE THEODORE WAS AT
THE LAST MEETING WHAT IS SIGNIFT
EVNDERICATYTHIED TNG IHISS THAT
WON'T AFFECT ANY SINGLE THEY HAE
THE ABILITY TO GENERAT FEAMILY
HOME.
PEOPLE WILL JUDGE OPEN YOUR
 T
RIGHT
THE CITY THE AMOUNT OF FIVE THEA
K
O
K ATHOUPASARTMEND DNTOLLARS
 P
HOEARUS FE TROMHE APA
RTME
 HOUTHEISER 3 PUTS
 P
CENTTH GE BOROSSULEV REVAREND. E
ASTHER A RE'ESS HULTUN ODREDF TO
LIVE THAT LIVE IN A TNDHOSE
 I
APARTM
REOUSEALLY.  PUT I
T
TH ECOEYNO WILMICL T BEERMS AFFC
D
FOR AND CALL
 T
OASTRERD FETOR WIL AL BE SIT A .
VIEW OR A SPECIAL PERMITYOU WILO
TH TE URPURVNEDIEW I ONTOF THE
 A
SA ONE
 WAY
 STRTAKIEET.NG EVE
RY A
PP
LICATIONI ON ITS AM I
N
OTOWAL ON MPPOSERITITSION IND FL
A
NDTHIS L
DENAL FROINGM WITH TRAFFIC RET Y
A
MARI
JUAN
 STOALLRE A TNDHOSE I H OTHAVER.
ESITTION'S NOT JUST ONE ISSUE. 
THAT'S WHY WE'VE G IONE W AHEANK
W
IMPROVE
 T
MA ANYPPLI SQUCATIARONE F BYEETY
U
TAKING HAVE FOR PARKING
 THE
 P
ARKITHE NGLOBBY
ISEOSUPLEE O TOFF T WHEAIT TAB O
BE SERVICE AT OUR
ADDITIONAL EXPENSE BUT AT
THE SAME TIME WE'RE IN A BRAVE
NEW WORLD AS FAR AS THIS
ECONOMY IS CONCERNED ENTRY AREA 
 T>> FHEREOUR A HREUNDRED
 AND
HIRTVERYY F FEWOU ORPPORTU
NITI
SQ FORUARE A FEET
MUNICIPALITY. 
FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR
SQUARE FEET TO GO FIND ANY NEW
SOURCES OF REVENUE.
IT'S. 
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT A DOUBLE
SIZED LIVIN GGON ROONA BME IN LO
DEVELOPMENT. 
WE HAVE NO A FAMILY
HOME. 
HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU PLAN O IA
PUHAT'TTINSG GOI INNG TO
HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD IN THIS
ECONOMY AND THAT SQUARE? 
PUT IT IN SUPPORT OF THE 3 WHE0E
PEITOPIESLE ARE
GOING TO BE STRETCHED FOR
THE RESOURCES ALREADY PAY RENT .
>> YES.
 TO
 SUPPORT VITAL
SERVICES THAT30 PEOPLE FOR A BUE
OF THEY NEED TO
SUPPORT FOR THE POLICE, FOR
THE FIRE, FOR EDUCA TECTIONHNOLN
YOU I HSAVE FIVE A HUNNDR IED TD
DOLLARS A YEAR INTERJECTED
THE CITY, YOU'RE SAVING JOBS
WHAT THREE WHAT'S A STREET IS
AN ISSUE?
MARCUS WROTE IN THE S IO HOR RRW
T
LOCA TOTION FOR T
COYPNSEIDER THAT BECAUSE
THE OPPONENT HERE WHO'S.  THAT
I'DIREVE TCTOLED BD YUTTEOUR THI
AM GOING BYE BYE HAVE
A TO LET OTHER PEOPLE
WERE IN A POSITION THIS THIS THG
G
THIS POS OITIOFFNER AGA
IN
HISTHEM, OFFER THEIR VIEWS USE
HERE THAT HAS THIS AMO. UNT OF A
RETHANVEKNUE YOU FOR,CE MR. CHA 
THANK YOU, SIR. 
 TO HELP THE CITY
IS REALLY DOING A PUBLIC
SERVICECHAIRMAN JEFF BROWN AND L
THIS UPSTART INTERRUPT I JUST
WANT
CALL TO PRINCETON PROPERTIES.
I'M ALSO ONE OF THE SENIOR CLART
OFHE HFICEOSRST C HEROMMUENI ATC
N
AG
REEM
TPROPERTIES.
AND SO 3 PERCENT EXCISE TAX
FOR EXCISE TAX I'M LIKE TO MAKEA
SERIES OF COMMENTS A TOTAL OF 6
PERCENT OF GROSS REVENUE 6
PERCENT AND THEN
TURN THIS MATTER OVER TO JEFF
DAKAR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. 
>> RIGHT.
SO THAT'S GOING THAT'S GOING. 
6 PERCENT REVENUE TO THE CITY.
 A
SSO Y IOU WANT
 IALL M WAYAN KNOTW I WANT YOU
TO CONSIDER THAT. 
SO AT THIS P, OINT IN TYOIMURE I
T
ONBR ISIEFLY
A SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY
AP IARTMEN JTUST WANT OWNER THRW
ENGLAND.
>> WE APPROACH ALMOST JOHN KAMEY
TO SHOW THE SPACE A
THOUSAND APARTMENTS THROUGHOUT
NEW ENGLAND. 
 O
FWE HAVE
THE BUILDING SO THERE'S NO
CONFUSION OF WHO OCCUPIES WHAT 0
APARTMENTS WITHIN THIS GENERAL
SPACE AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE
OCCUPIED WHEN
AREA ALL AFFECTED BY
THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION WE GO AHD
AND IF WE ARE GETTING. 
IT'S GOI APPNGRO TOVAL BE GEN
ER
HO FWROM WE'RE G
OI
OTHIS OCCUPY THIS
SPACE.
 FROM THIS PROJECT.
OK, SO JOHN, IF YOU WANT TO DO
THAT. 
GEORUPGE? 
MR. THEODORE ROWE MENTIONED DEF 
JOHN CAVANEY, CDC WE'RE AN
ASISSUEDE THA
T O
 OPPIN LOSOWITIOELLN T ASO WELL.
TH
 PROJECT WAS ATH DE UPISSERVICEY
S
R
EENTO R THEIGHT CIT HERYE. 
ONCE AGAIN AND I FEEL EVE ORYNOS
E
BEHISHALF OF MY TEAM HERE AT
PRINCETON I NEED TO RESPOND TO
THAT. 
PRINCETON IS THE L? ARGEST
>> SO AS TO
LANDLORD PROPERTY OWNER IN T
HAT
THE CI OTYNLY WANT TO
DO AS BRIEFLY GO THROUGH
THE WORK PLAN SO OF LOL.
 W
I DON'T CAN KNOW REA. LLY
WIT OTHN LAYOUT AND CUSTOMER FLW
AND WHY IT'S REALLY WE REACHED A
R
GEOURNERATED B
FUS PLLRO MOOJECTNS TO TAKE UP
THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR THAT
ROIS AMPPROXIMATELY
 FIV
 HUNTHE DREDSECURI
TY S
NDPOTHOUINSAT AND AND ACCNORDING
O
OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT.
SO WHEN WE FEAR IS SOME
E INAPPLTERIICORANT REN. DERING
W
BUCH YTOU I WOULD
GU TYSHAT SOR OURT OF
 CLI
MB
ED TPRHROPEROUGHTY TAX
ES
LAST BUT REALLY THE GOAL CER HEY
W
ISL
WITHIN THAT RANGE. 
SO TO SAY WE' BRE OASICPPALOSINT
G
BENTOCAUSE
 IT'
 SOMACTIEON DIS WHASERVTIC FULES
HAS BEEN DO OUT THERE. 
>> OTHTHE CIER DTY OISPEFNS LOWS
T
ABE BSOLUUITELT ILYN HAVERHILL. 
SO THESE AREN'T R NOTEALIST TRU 
DE
PICT
NS OITF HAS WHAT ZER WE'O TREO D
O
PLITHANNING THA INT. THE SPACE
AND I WANT TO BE UPFRONT ABOUT
THAT WHOLE ISSUE THAT SOMEHOW
THIS
THE LAYOUT ITSELF STIGMA ATTACHG
A MARIJUANA FACILITY NEXT AS ASE
MINTZ M
OUEDR CORPORATE OFFICE IS JUST S
JUST NOT, WE'RE
MAINTAINING A THE E FACXISTTORIT
A
L
 AENSTRAN ASCE AND EXIT
 POI
NTGES OORGEF MENTI
ON
THE BUILDING. 
SO THE ENT, RANCETH ONER TE'SHEW
SI
AGXITE. ON T
HE
THTHIS SID HASE BEEN ADOPTED BYE
BOTH CUSTO LMERAW. OF CLONE
ITSECU IRIS WTY.HAT
 IT
 ISWE HAV. E A LARGE
THNGERE'S GOING TO BE FIVE
FACILITIES IN THE A AREREAA. 
WEAT'S A OCCEPNE HT TUNHADREDT O
I
FOUR SQUARE FEET WHICH WOULD
ALLOW FOR 30 CUSTOMERS QUEUING.
YOU
LWITH CHE TCKHE F INACT T WITHAE
S
RE
GONING TO BE A MARIJUANA
DISPENSARY NEXT DOOR AND THEN YN
TH
E 
BUENSATRY WE FLO HORAVE WHI ACHS
W
H I14 1S5 ONCE
THE IMPACTS FEET AND WOULD ALLOW
HAFOTR OVER 6 COM6 CEUS FROTOMEO
D
HATVING THAT FACILITY NEXT TO
INTENDED NOT AS MAKING SUR
E
HOWL
 IT
FFECQUEUTSIN OURG I CORS HPOAPRG
S
EOFFI
CE
 HVEOW IRSUST A OUTFFSIECTSDE TN
POINT SEVEN STATIONS
. 
APPR
IMATANDELY THE 1N000 WE A APARTN
THAT ARE IN AN
EXIT BACK TO THE THE DOO ARER FT
S
SECU
 RMR.EASO CNSAULF ANDIELD MENTI 
WHETHER IT'S HERE ON OUT
THE OTHER SIDE.
THE ENTIRE FRONT THE NEARBY
ROADWAYS T ALLHE S THEPA WCEAY U
P
O
TA
KES
 TPRINWENTCEYTON THR BEEOULEVAR 
UNYOUDRED KNOW
, 
'SSQUA JUSRET FEE ITT. JUS
T
SO
 THA
S TEXHEPAND DISSPENSARY ITSELF
AND THEN THE BACK OF HOUSE THISO
ITE  TBACKHAT SID IEF T OFHA TT.
THAT'S 1730 USABLE SQUARE FEET
AS YOU M
ANED.D I TTI
HI
T'SI D AOLSO JUS ITMPOR WANTANTO
S
ESSTO W NOTHYE THAT, YOU KNOW, E
SAS INMP ISNERAT'TIV JUSE FT AOT
MOONS TO TAKE THE ENTIRE FIRST
APARTMENT OWNER.
WEFL AREOOR IN F TROMHE D ANEV L
D
BU
SSSECURITY PERSPECTIVE
REQUIREMENT FOR THE PRO. PER
PRI POGRAROBAM TBLHAY ST WPEENDY
OF MY WEEK SITTING IN
SEPARATE EXIT ENTRANCE P GEOOINN
TH LIME APIT CPLOMICANMINGTLI SL
HA ARVEST MOONS DOES R
EQ
PR AOJECT
LAO LRGASE WT NEIGHIGTIHT TNGILL
10:00 AREA AND
NEXPENSE R AEPORTS L LIMOCITAL .
SOLE W WOREK ARE CONSTANTLY IN E
METHOD QUEUING O OFUTSIDE.  D
EVL
MENTAS D.ISCUSS
SO WAN IT'VE ALL APPEARED
 B
VIEEW MANINGY,  TO H
APPE
 INSMAIDNY PELANNING FROM A
SECURITY P BERSPOAECRDSTIVE A. I
HA
RV
CE MRTOONAINL DIDY N RECOT WOGAA
T
A
TADDITI
ON
THENANE TSISSUES ARE ON THE SAME
FL TOOOR.  CONSI
DE
R A
NDWE ALS
I'IEVEVE B TEEHISN D ISOI WNG TG
BETIMEST A FORS W THEEL CL AURRF
THE BUILDING. 
RODERICK BARR AND TRINITY
AMBULANCE AND THEN ALSO SHARINGI
THEIR
 TEN
 OTHINCCUPKIE THEDRE'S A
LDTH ADAE BAGESE ANDMENT NOW
IN PLANNING, YOU KNOW, YOU
CAN'T AND IN
THE FUTU PRE WUTE MITIGATE 10 AU
S
FPOTE YNTOUIAL P
ARKI
SSKNOWUES, A LOT INTO A FIVE POD
BET REA INSON FOR THAT I
S
 I
TTHE FU
TURE
. 
CREA
AND THEN THIS DIAGRAM RIGHT
HERE WHICH YOU GUY IMPS AACLLTSS
BUTIMPA THICTSS T ISHA NT TEWHET
WE COMPILED AND REALLY S WPREAEE
THEATEE WED TALHITH. S DIA
GRAM
O MANDAKE I I THITNK THA
T'S
 EEAXACTSY TLYO WHAT
OUR UNDERSTAND ALL
THITE IONTENA ISNTS H OERE.F THE
Y
THIS IS TO AN INTENSE
THE USES THAT THEY TAK AE ANS IS
MEIONTN TIONEO ADS IN IT THE R E
,FULL HARVEST MOONS IS
OC
CUPY
 TTHE HE EIMNTPACTIRES T FHAIRST
R
DS.FLOOR O
UT
WELL,  TWO COMMENTS TO
THTHEIRE AD ROLJAESCENT THA ATRY
TH
THIGE HBORUPSTHOAIODSRS OCCUPANT
USTINTO THE
IR
CETHAT AGR'S TEEHAMENTT'SS THE F
THE ISSUE. 
BA
. IT'S NOT
TH IE T'SBASE M WARIJILLUANA HAO
ITAN'SCY THE
 F
 TWHHATATSO THEEVERSE
TRAFFIC IMPACTS AFFEC NT AOWLL N
OUR
 C
NITHTIESE FUTURE.
AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR UP
FLOOR UP HERE IS OCC ANDUPIED BE
Y
RETRINIT
Y
SUBSTANTIAL.
AND S AT TWO THOUSAN SD SOIX
 I
HUND KNOREDW T IT'HIRTS BYEE NIA
E
MENT
NEDSQUARE FEET AND BRODERICK LOT
EIGHT HUN TDRHAT,ED TWENTY Y SI 
SQUARE F
PROJECT WILL BRING HALF. 
AS YOU CAN SEE B AY THE RED W
HI
MILL
ION
OLLAIS TRS TRINIOTY THE CITY IN
THAT THAT'S TO BE A CRITICAL ANE
WHIC
SISSU RODEER TOICK BE EXAMINED Y
THE PLANNING ALL THE GRAY
 BOAHERERD IS COMMO. N SPACE
 INC
DINGI'D J
UST
IKECOMM TOON H RALEMINLWAYD COMN
THE PLANNING BOARD THAT I'M TO
BE AROUND TOILETS
AND UTILITIES AND STAIR RWELLEGT
T
 WHEN
IT COMES TO SITE AND APPROVALTHY
FUTU
 TENIT SANAYTS AS YT AOULL W IND
PROMOTE HEALTH
ESPECIALLY THE UPSTAIRS IS WHATF
T
IT I. S. 
IT CAN MEAN TO AND GENERAL
WELFARE OF THE INHABITANTS OFSOS
DIAGRAM IS JUST MAKING IT EASY
THE CITY AND PROMOTE ACCEPTABLE
STATE LAND PRACTICES
TO UNDERSTAND THE TENDENCIES OF
THIS ON PROPERTY A STAY
TYPE PLAN. 
APPROVAL MAY AND WITH THAT
I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO GEORGE BE A
DETERMINATION BY THE PLANNING
BOARD THAT THE LAND. 
THANK YOU, JOHN.
 MEETS
THE FOLLOWING OBJECTIVES
OBJECTIVEI WOULD JUST LIKE MY GD
WHO'S OUR SECURITY CHIEF NUMBERE
PEDESTRIAN AND BEHEAD TO
JUST DISCUSS THE .
 LISTS
SAVE THE ON THE SITE TO
THE SITETHE BRINGS THE ALSO BRIY
TOUCH IN EGRESS SING FROM IT
AND IT'S UPON THE ODOR CONTROL
PLAN AS WELL.
MIKE IT'S IN THAT VEIN THAT
I ASKED YOU TO FOCUS ON. 
THANK YOU, JOHN. 
THANK YOU WHAT
THE CRITERIA ARE THAT YOU'RE
SU, PPOSED TO ANALYMR.ZE CHAIRM 
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD NOT
WHATEVER ECONOMIC BENEFIT THIS
BRINGS TO THE CITY DELIVERIES
WAS AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP FROM
THE LAST. 
AND AS TAXPAYERS LIKE PRINCETON
 MEEWETING THAT THERE WAS
SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU
WANTED US TO PROVIDE UNDERSTANDT
THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT W ANDAS ANW
THAT WAS GONNA TAKE PLACE AND
WHERE IT WAS GONNA TAKE PLACE. 
OBVIOUS IT SPEAKS IT SPEAKS FOR
ITSELFSO I WILL POINT OUT THAT D
COVER. 
THAT CRITERIA IS ALSO ECHOED THR
DELIVERIES IN IN
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A SPECIAL N
THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE LOCAL
POLICE DEPARTMENT
PARLIAMENT. 
I'M READING AGAIN YOUR OWN
REGULATIONS AND REVIEWED
BY DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT BARRY
GOLDNER SPECIAL PERMITS
SHALL BE GRANTED BY THE SPECIAL
PERM AITND GRANTING AUT THAHOTRY
WAS PART ONLY
UPON ITS WRITTEN DETERMINATION
THAT THE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF THER
THE SECURITY PLAN OF
THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT WEIGH
THE BENEFICIAL OF WHICH YOU
KNOW, THE BOARD HAS A LETTER IMO
THE CITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE DETERM
INAT
NTHAT INDICATES THEIR REVIEW AND
AND OF THE SECURITY SHALL INCLUE
CONSIDERATION OF EACH OF
THE FOLLOWIN PLAGN AND
HAVING NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER
WITH NUMBER TWO
TRAFFIC FLOW AND SAFETY
INCLUDING ANYTHING THAT WAS
CONTAINED IN THE PLAN. 
BUT TO EXPLAIN PARKING AND LOADP
E
S
NU
MBER
RGONE NEI.GHBORH
OO
D
CHARACTER AND SOCIAL STRUCTURESO
THE SITE PLAN
AND THEN IT GOES ON FURTHER. 
IN THE SLIDE
PRESENTATION THE SECTION ON TRAD
SAFETY, HOW DOES THE PROJECT? 
ADDRESS
 TRAFFIC FLOW AND SAFETY
INCLUDING PARKING AND LOADINGIFT
A LITTLE BIT? 
WILL THE PROJECT IMPACT
THE , AREA?I
WELD PLLOI, THNT TOSOE
THE AREA THE CRITERIA THAT
IT'S YOUR TASKS ANALYZE WHICH IT
A NOT A PARKING SPACE BUT NOT
WHAT'S THE GREAT FINANCIAL
WINDFALL OF THIS
SICTGNED OFF AS YOU COME IN
THE ENTRANCE OFF BUT
THOSE SPECIFIC CRITERIA. 
AND IT'S OUR WESTBRIDGE
STREET YOU'LL SEE THAT LINE
THAT FIRST LINED OFF POSITION TA
A
YOHEREU WER
E T
 FOC.US
THAT'LL BE THE AREA WHERE
THE DELIVERY ON THOSE
CRITERIA. 
AND I'M GONNA HAV VEHEIC JEFLEFI
O
TO
 THE
. AND P
SPECIFICALLY I TNO A FEW UNL MO 
ITE PR IODSUCT.
SO FOR THO ISE REASO WILNSL ANDO
T
 TBASEHATD ON
 THA
 CRIDELITEVERIARIES ARE MADE DUG
DAYLIGHT HOURS THAT WE
BELIEVE YOU CANNOT APPROVE THE
RE
THES TEHEY'RE
RANDOMIZED SO THEIR TIME OF
THE DAY PERMITS.
AND SO THAT'S AGAIN THAT'S THE S
RANDOMIZED PER
THE CR PUXCC OF OUR A RRGUMEGULN
THEAE N NTYPEO OF D DISTUELIVRBO
THE CITY.
I THINK ACTUALLY WE PROVIDE
 V
LEQUITE A B
IT O
 BENTHATEFIT W TILLO BE COMING S
THE SERVICE.
A GREAT DEAL OF OUR HOUSING IS
AFA OFORDRAB TLE HRANSOUITSING A
GREAT BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF
CITY OF LOW. 
SO IT'S REALLY A D. ELIVERY VAN.
VEOURYLD LIKE TO ADDRESS A FEW N
THAT PARKING LOT
PRELIMINARY ITEMS BEFORE I TURN
IT OVER TO JEFF AND AND WILL
NOT BLOCK ANY ACCESS. 
THEY DO DELVE A LITTLE BIT INTOS
IT PARKS IN THAT AREA
TRAFFIC BUT I THINK JUST ON ON
A VERY PRELIMINA. RY LEVEL
THE TWO AGENTS WILL UNLOAD
THE PRODUCT
THE FIRST ITEM IS THAT YOU
KNOW, MR. CRAMS FROM THE VEHICL.
IT'S THE PRODUCT SAID YOU KNOW, 
WE ARE YOUR ALL THE APPLICANT IN
LOCKED CONTAINERS AND IN
IS ESTIMATING THAT THERE WILL
BE 580 TO
THE PRODUCT IS DELIVERED IN
SEALED HERMETICALLY VEHICLE TRIY
FROM THIS PROJECT SEALED, 
TAMPER RESISTANT OPAQUE
PACKAGING. 
NOWHERE IN ANY ASPECT OF. 
THE VEHICLE ITSELF HAS NO
MARKINGS ON IT SO
THE APPLICANT'S MATERIALS. 
IS THERE AN EXPLANATION THE GENO
WHY MR. CRAMPS NEW NUMBER
PUBLIC WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
IDENTIFY IT AS A AS A DELIVERY
VEHICLE OF
FIVE EIGHTY TWO DIFFERS FROM ANN
INSIGNIAS ON THE SIDE
TWO PREVIOUS GRAPHICS SOME
METALS. 
THERE'S NO WINDOWS ON
THE VEHICLE SO THAT YOU COULD
SEE INSIDE I MEAN THE H ENGINEEG
PROJECT TRAFFIC. 
SO THE DELIVERY PROCESS ITSELF
WILL AT 713.
SO WE HAVE AN 18 HAPPEN TWICE A 
THAT IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING PT
AND
REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC THE AGENTSG
I
THE PR
DO INSN'TID KENOW.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE THAT IF A
ND
YOU C ADDURE A IN 1T8 PERCENT
 F
INR T TOHE VAULT
 W
WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE T THE SHATY
OFSPEAFICEKRS FOR THA TTHEMS ARW
O
IF
BY THE WAY THE TWO PRIOR,  TRAFO
A
REPO SRTSWEEP WER OFE TO H
OLD
RUETHE ENTIRE AREA AS AND I
DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW
 P
IMETWHERAT T OHE DFIFFERENCE ISR
N
THE 
BUIL
NG PTHRIEY TOR THEYO
THE DELIVERY VEHICLE ARRIVING CT
ANY
 SUSIPI LEACIOUVES THAT TO YOU.
IT'S AN ISSUE OF HOW
CREDIBILITY AND HOW YOU ASSESS
THAT TRAFFIC ACTIVITY
WHATSOEVER WOULD BE REPORTED TO
LOW GAP. 
SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE PD AND THED
BE AVOIDED IF THEY JUST W
AN
PREL TIMINOARY POINT
. 
EV
ER
URTHE .OTHE
R
 TANO DD OO WBVITIOUSHLY AS I MI
BELIEVE MR. THEODORE IN
THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD WE
HAVE IMPLICITLY
WHEN HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDE
IN REAL TIME
THE WHOLE FORTY FOUR THOUSAND
THREE HUNDRED T SHAQUARTE FEE TL
POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ABLEF
THE SPACE BECAUSE OF SAFETY
REASONS
COOUNN CANECT'T INTO AND WATCH T
DELIVERY TAKE PLACE SHARE
CORRIDORS AND THAT HOLE IN ALL
OF THAT AND WITHOUT
EVER HAVING TO ACTUALLY BE THATY
MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME.
BUT AT
THE SITE SO MINUTE. 
THE SAFEGUARDS WHEN YOU BACK DOU
LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND IN PLE
THE DELIVERY GO THROUGH THAT
FRONT I CAN
IMPOSE UPON MR. CAVANEY AND TREY
BEST TO PRACT PULICESL
UP THAT LAY OUT A PLAN FROM OUR
COMMUNITY O CRINME PREVE WNTIOON
MYYOUA E BENVIR PONOSSIMENTBLALT
PLEASE DESIGN
STANDPOINT AND THAT WILL
ESSENTIAL TO COVER ALL OF? 
TH
HERYE DAH. ELIVERIES
 OF
ONADEE ONE SECOND.
THAT'S
TOTAL TIME THAT THAT DELIVERY
VEHICLE BEYOND SITE WILL
PROBABLY BE 10 MINUTES OR SO IN
TERMS OF THE ORDER CONTROL THAT
TIES INTO THIS BECAUSE I KNOW
THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. 
>> WELL WE DID SUPPLY A POLICY
THAT FULL RESPONSE HAS ON ODOR
MITIGATION THANK. 
THERE REALLY IS NO ODOR TO
MITIGATE IN THESE FACILITIES. 
I HAVE I'VE AGAIN. 
THANK YOU. 
SO THIS INVOLVED IN IN
MULTIPLE DISPENSARIES GOES TO EG
A
TTHROUGHO
TH STAE APTE. PLICAN
T
 TAL
KED ABOUT AT
THE DISPENSARY THERE ARE 14
FIFTYTH ONEE PRODUCT THAT GETS D
IT WILL BE DELIVERED HERE AND TW
S
AR INBITRARILY
SE SALAY WED PELLAC WKAGIENG MED
L
ONLY N
SEALED 20 30 HUNDRED SQUAR PEACI
G
 TFEETHAT AND THA TTHAT
THERE IS NO ODOR OR IS WHAT IT .
I DON'T THINK THAT'S W THEITHI E
THE FACILITY OR ARE COMING
LAYOUT PLAN AS WAS SUBMI
TT
THNROUGH
ONENTIE OLAFTION THE SYS PTEREVN
A
TIOUVESTSIDE THE FACILITY. 
SO
BY THE APPLICA YOUNT SO C I'LANA
T
THARDAT IS THE REASON PLEASE LOT
THE LAYOUT PLAN DATED FOR THAT D
THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN A GATE
ORDER IN RETAIL. 
I DON'T DISPENSARY
ENVIRONMENT. 
NO PACKAGING. 
IT'S DONE ON SITE WHAT THE DATAT
EV
ER
NGWAS IS CER PTAREPAINLYCKAG SET
A
COMI
PR OURIO FR AACILS OITYNE OF THR
LAYOUT PLANS AND IT ACTUALLY
HAS A SQUARE FEET OF A ANDLL I
TH
HEBER RLIEVOOEMS THAT COVERS INE
..EA
ATGEOR FGEIRST, I'LL TURN IT BAR
TO YOU UNLESS THERE ARE ANY
QUESTIONS ON THAT FIRST OFF THAT
I
 TFIRSHINKT FLO WHAORT.
SO YOU HAVE SOME OFFICE SPACE,
YOU HAVE SECURITY I'D
LIKE TO HAVE MATT HAMMER JUST
BRIEFLY GO THROUGH CHANGE, YOU
 T
A
T SHAVEIDE ROOM F
OR I
 YPLANOU AGA HINAVE POINT ROO OR
FOR INVENTORY RE BACK OFFICES
POINANTED TD OHIUTNGS THAT THE A
STORMWATER MIT OIGATFION T SHAT.
THAT
SOAVE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE .
AND J
UST
EFTHE LY DREESASONCRIBINGE THATU
ARBITRARILY
THE SITE MAP REACH BACK THAT
SPACE FROM THE TOTAL SQUARE
FOOT OUT. 
THAT IS THE CRITICAL BASIS UPON
WHICH YOU DETERMINE YET VEHICLE
TRIPS.
YOU SAY IT'S TWENTY THREE
HUNDRED.
YEAH. 
IF YOU SELECT A FEW SELEC. T
>> HOW DO YOU THERE
PLACES YES IT'S TWENTY ONE TWO
THREE HUNDRED WHY YOU DON'T
? INCLUDE
SO I HAD TO MUTE BUTTON STORAGE 
MATT HAMMER LAND PLEX
CASH INVENTORY OFFICE STAFF
STAFF EVERY AND ALL THESE OTHER
ENGINEERING AND SURVEYING 10
GEORGE STREET LAW
WRONGS THAT COME TO FORTY THREE
HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. 
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH I GUESS
IT'S JUST SELECTIVE SELECTIVE CS
STORMWATER TEAM THAT THEY PUT
TOGETHER. 
PROCESS THAT YOU'VE UNDERTAKEN
BUT OBVIOUSLYWE WERE ABLE TO COA
MITIGATION FOR THE CURRENT IF YO
USE THE TRUE FORTY THREE
HUNDRED
RUNOFF THAT EXTENDS TO
THE EA SSTQUARERLYE FEET FOR THS
OFFICE OR PROPERTIES FOUR
THOUSAND THREE SIDE OF
THE PARKING AREA. 
SO WE HAVE A 1030 TWO BY TWO FOT
INFILTRATION TRENCH ALONG
THE ENTIRE EASTERLY S YOUIDE O W
E PAYORKU GINGET Y AOUREA GET. E
D
RENT
NUMBERS AND MY CONCERNAS WELL AL
TRAFFIC IS BASED UPON
PROJECTIONS FOR
THE RUNOFF AND THAT'S AT D THEEN
WHETHER YOU USE
MEDIAN OF THE TWO CUR TB CWEUTNS
T
THAT C
OM
FFHUND A CREDAR FLEET AS THE BAR
THOUSAND STREET. 
WITH THAT FEET AS THE BASIS
THOSE NUMBERS CAN VARY WE ALSO N
THE TRAFFIC COUNTS UP TO BASED
THAT THE ROOF DRAINS THEMSELVES
ALSO
ON MY CRUDE CALCULATIONS OF A
42 PERCENT TERMINATE INTO THE GD
.
SO THERE'S SOME DRY WELLS
WIETH TINRAFFIC
DEPENDING UPON HOW YOU JUST
ARBITRARILY PICK THE GROUND TO O
 TMIHE RTIGAOOTEMS SUR TFACEHA F
O
MYOU P
TH TE HE WROOFRONGTOP THOUGH
CERTAINLY. 
ADDITIONALLY, WE BRINGS INTO QUN
TO ME WHAT THESE VEHICLE TRIPS E
FENCED
 IN
HE DAREUMPS. TER
AND THE LAST THING THAT I WILL
MENTION AREA. 
I K BEFNOWOR TEHAT'S I A GOA TLR
AL
TORYIN JEFG TFO IS ACH IIESVE M 
SO B WE'RAVEND DONE
ME TNTIOONED YOU'RE THA
 ADD
GTHE DUMPSTER AREA WHERE THERE'S
A LOADING AT HIS AREA FOR THAT
DUMPSTER OFF OF
LOW BAR TRAFFIC COUNTS THE WESTY
SIDE OF THE STREET THEN
WERE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT
BY ITS PRIOR ENGINEER CROSS
HATCHED AREA COMING OFF OF CARL
STREET ON TWO
OCCASIONS SEV AENND THI TRTHAEES
N
LYHE'S NOW REDUCED THOSE FIVE 50
TO
THE SUMMARY OF THE MITIGATION
THAT WE'VE DONE FOR STORMWATER T
I'M NOT A TRAFFIC
.
THEY CAN PUT IT BACK TO YOU, 
GEORGE ENGINEER. 
I DON'T PRETEND TO B BEANK IN BH
DON'T THINK WITH A STRAIGHT
FACE YOU CAN SAY TO ANYBODY I'M
T
GO TNNAHIS ADD F
IV
TIME I'D LIKE TO HAVE M GRAM OFD
EIGHTY TWO VEHICLES TO THIS
TRAFFIC.
CART
SIDE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO
ANSWER AND I'M NOT GOING TO
 REQIMUEPACTST I TNHESE INTERHE
SET
NSTHE COMMENTS THAT WERE. 
IT'S JUST A LOGIC
RE KQUESNOTEW,D BYL
IT IS GOING TO TRIP IT IS GOING
TO IMPACT THE THO CITSEY INT TRS
GINEANERD I.  THINK
SO MR. CRAMMING
ADMI CTTANED WE HEAR FROM YOU? 
YES, CAN ANYONE HEAR ME? 
 THAT MR. DIRK'S
ASSESSMENTNO ONE OF HERE?  WHAT
HE TNORAFFIC
QUEUING AT THESE INTERSECTIONS
WOULD BE. 
AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO TURN IT
OVER TO JEFF, NO ONE'S RESPONDI 
SO YES WE C. AN. 
IBUT T BHINKASED RIG OHTN J. EFF
'
S
ANALYSIS, WEMY INTENTION IS TO E
DELAYS PER VEHICLE
THE CASH A ADVTANCES COM TMEHEND
STIALLREYET WESTERN STREET
INTERSECTION.
WE HAVE FIVE AND THEN I WILL MIN
T
D
ELREAYSSPON PERD TO
VEHICLE AT THE KHALIL STREET THE
 FRECEOURIVED S FTREEROMT T INTT
.
AND WE HAVE FOUR MINUTES OF
INCREASED DELAYS AT
THE TECHNICAANLD WRAP UP WITH DD
STREET INTERSECTION SOLVE A ROUD
ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE THOSE NUMBERS
INDEED EXPLAIN SOMETHING
THE EXPRESS RESPONSES THAT WE
RECEIVED IN THE PAST ABOUT
IT BEING PARABOLIC AND NOT
PARABOLIC.
I DON'T KNOW 48 HOURS. 
>> SO INITIALLY THE NUMBERS SPEK
FOR THEMSELVES. 
THESE ARE THE TYPES OF IMPACTS T
COMMENT
THAT AFFECT US, AFFECT OUR
RESIDENTS AND SHE COULDN'T CONFM
THAT TRAFFIC GOOD. 
 AFFECT. 
AND IT'S A RIPPLE EFFECT
THROUGHOUTTHEY WERE DONE OF T IA
HEWOULRE IDS STR NAIGHOT OUT TOY
ABOUT THAT. 
 ALL
THE WAY OUT TO THE TO THE OTHERE
HAS ALREADY CLEARLY
WHETHER IT'S STEADMAN STREET,
WHETHER IT'S PRINCETON
BOULEVARD IDENTIFIED
IS THE PROJECT TENDENCY OF WHAT 
YOU KNOW, THIS RIPPLE EFFECT OF
TRAFFIC AFFECTS ALL OF OUR
BUILDING IS THE ACTUAL SALES
FLOOR
AMENITIES IN THE IN THE AREA
ITSELF AREA IS FOURTEEN HUNDRED
AND FIFTY ONE SQUARE FEET. 
I WILL RESERVE ANY FINAL
COMMENT BUT
THE NUMBERS WE'VE USED IN OUR
ANALYSIS. 
BUT AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO
TURN IT OVER TO J WEFFE BER USER
INSTANCE, TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM
VANESSA'S ASSOCIATES THE SLIDE
THE GENERATION SLIDE PLEASE. 
ALL RIGHT. 
. 
THAN
K Y
 FOR>> T YOUHERRE W TIMEE, GO M.
CHAIRMAN. 
AND I WON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER
COMMENTS.
THANK YOU, SIR.
>>TOTAL AREA THAT THIS IS WHAT S
USED FOR THE RETAIL GOOD EVENIN 
 SALE IS
APPROXIMATE TWENTY THREE
HUNDRED SQUARE FEET>> MEMBERS OR
THE RECORD YOU'RE A PARTNER
 AND
OWITH W VEENUS AND A
SSOC
TESUSE THE DATA AND
AS YOU HEARD WE PREPARED A
COUPLE OF REVIEWS OF THIS FROM A
TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER'S TRIP
GENERATION MANUAL 10TH EDITION S
PROJECT ITSELF AND I THINK JEFF
WENT THROUGH SOME OF
E HITO GGHENLIGHERATTSE THE TRIR
THE DISPENSARY AND I WANT TO
 AFOCUNDS ON AS ANOTH AER V SIEL
Y
HE
MAARDSJOR POINTS ARE OUR LETTER
ITSELF.
>> I DO BETWEEN 580 AND
600 DAILY TRIPS ARE EXPECTED WAE
AS WE REVIEW THESE PROJECTS ON
A WEEKDAY SATURDAY WITH
ANYWHERE FROM
IT'S THE WAY THAT I GO ABOUT
DOING THIS IS THE SAME AS WHAT
I CONDUCTED TWENTY FOUR TO
EIGHTY FOUR TRIPS REVIEWS FOR
THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST TAKING A
LOOK DURING THEIR
RESPECTIVE PEAK HOURS. 
NOW THESE THIS AT THE METHODOLOT
WAS USED TO REALLY MAKE SURE I
THINK DATA IS BASED ON
THE ITC YOU'RE ASSESSING THIS
PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT
YOU'VE GOT ALL TRIP GENERATION L
.
HOWEVER, AS GEORGE INDICATED
EARLIE TRHE FACTS IN
FRONT OF YOU AS TO WHAT
THE REAL IMPACTS OF
THE DEVELOPMENT THERE OUR HOURSE
FROM 10 A.M. TO 8 P.M. MAY BE.
AND SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF
REVIEW THAT SEVEN
DAYS A WEEK.  WE
 U
SOTOOK WITH
RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT ITSELF C
GENERATION DURING THE MORNING
PEAK
RSO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SQUARE
FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING BUT WE T
JUST THE SAME. 
WE A ANALYNDZED I
THINK OUR PRIMARY CONCERN WITH
RESPECT THE WEEKEND MORNING
PEAK HOUR OF THE GENERATOR
WHIC TOH IS AGA HIGINHE MAKR TIE
THE JEWS HAVE THE RIGHT
INFORMATION WITH RESPECT WHAT
THE WEEKDAY MORNING PEAK HOUR
OR WHAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN
THE IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT IS
THAT THERE IS A SPECIFIC AS
THE COMMUTER PEAK HOUR WOULD
HAVE
METHODOLOGY THAT IS USED.
WE ESTIMATE TRAFFIC HAS TRAFFIC
ENGINEERS. 
SO AND I KNOW I PRESENT
THIS TO YOU BEFORE I JUST WANT E
GO TO T BHE NUTEXT SLIDE A PSLEE
LOOKING AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE
OF THIS BUILDING, YOU DO NOT. 
GE
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TRADE THET
OF SPACE THAT YOU WANT INCLUDED
IN YOUR TRIP VENERATION
AREA THAT WE SHOWED LAST TIME
AND THESE
CALCULATIONS.
THE METHODOLOGY IS VERY CLEAR. 
IT'S ARE ALL EITHER
EXISTING DISPENSARIES THE GREEN
DOT A STAR GRO ORSS SQUARE FOOTF
THE BUILDING.
IT INCLUDES STORES THEY'RE
CURRENTLY OPEN AND THE OTHER
ELEVEN THAT'S ALL OF THE INTERIR
PERIMETER OF THE WALLS OUR SPORT
ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WITHIN
THE SPACE THAT'S TO BE OCCUPIED
.
YOU DON'T GET TO VARIOUS
STAGES OF APPROVAL AND JUST USE
THE SALES AREA. 
IF I CAME AND PRESENTED TO YOU E
OPEN WITHIN TWO YEARS. 
>> AS YOU CAN SEE
A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR A
CONVENIENCE STORE THAT'S 4000
SQUARE FEET THE AREA WILL
BE FAIRLY WELL SATURATED AND SAM
ONLY GOING TO BE THE TRAFFIC
GENERATION A BASNDED ON
THCUE STOMNEXTER SLIDE IS JUST A
SUMMARY OF SALES AREA AND
WE'RE GOING TO FORGET ABOUT
THE OTHER HALF OF THE BUILDIN WW
E
THOUNDAT O ISUT
FROM EACH OF THESE
CHARACTERISTICS REQUIRED THAT IS
THE STORAGE SPACES, 
THE RESTROOMS EACH TO EACH OF
THESE DISPENSARIES THAT WOULD NE
ACCEPTABLE.
THAT'S WHAT'S BEING THAT'S THATE
COULDN'T FIND MUCH ON AND THEM
WH
'S B.EING D
BUERET F AORND
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS US.
WITH RESPECT TO THE MOST PART TE
ALL IN THE STRIP
GENERATION, THERE IS NO
DOCUMENTATION THE 3000 4000 SQUE
FOOT RANGE, SOME LARGER THROUGH
THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION
ENGINEERS.
IT SAYS. 
BUT MOST OF THEM HAVE THAT YOU E
THIS SPACE THAT THEY'VE
EXCLUDED.
IT HAS AT A
MINI ALLMUM SOME B 25E TO 3 INC 
THSPACE ESARCHITECT CAN MAP OUTA
COMMON. 
SOME HAVE FLEXIBILITY DEPENDING
ON WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED MARRIOE
THE STAIRWELL SPACE BUT YOU
CAN'T CHERRY AND
THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE
PARK PINICKG AND REMOVE
THE AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE
USED F TORHA STOTRAGE BACK HOUSE
OPERATIONS.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FIND A
TR GEOAFFIRGEC TOUCHED
SIDE COMMENT NUMBER THREE OF
NATASHA'S THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED
TO YOU WHE WRE DHICHEVELOP DEAEA
SU
ARKETHTE EMPLOYEES. 
>> AND AS WE'VE OR ANY TYPE OF
RETAIL SPACE WHERE THEY'VE SAID
ALL WE'RE GONNA INCLU SDETA ISTE
ARE ONLY SEVEN TO 10 FULL TIME
AND PART
THE CUSTOMER SALES AREA.
FORGET EMP ALOBOUTYEES THE THA E
NSTOR TIMINEG P ONRODU THECT S.E
IT'S JUST NOT DONE THAT WAY AND
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN
PRESENTE. D
NATASHA HAD A COMMENT ABOUT
SNOW REMOVAL. 
SO IF YOU ONLY ASSUME HALF
THE SPACE AND YOUR T ARIPPNDED A
T
INNO THEVATI FAAON
WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR CALCULATIONT
JUST BY VIRTU SENO OFW THAT
THE REMONUMBVAERL OSN SIDEWALKSC
FIRST DROP BY 50 PERCENT
.
SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT C. ONCERNS
YOU JUST HEARD CHIEF ALLEN
LOOKING AT THE TAL METKHODOLOGY.
OUTNO DW IELIV KERNOWIES MR. O D
SOME TRIP GENERAT IION
 HAV
E
 ACALCULATIO
SLNG AID SE SIMILLIDEAR PLEASE
METHODOLOGY TO WHAT WE HAD USED
IN AN OLDER STUDY AND ONE OF ONG
THE THINGS THAT WE AS TRAFFIC
ENGINEERS HAVE AS A BENEFIT IS
HAVING A PEER. 
>> REV OK,IEW D BONE.EFORE I GET
ON TEHA OFT THE PEER REVIEWS THI
HAD DONE OF A I
FOIGRGHEROT T TRAOFF MENICTION T
P
STKINGUDY F
OR A
ARIJSYSTUAEMNA. 
DI>>SPEN THISARYS SHOWS THE OVE 
AERI
AL T
T LACTUANDAL FLY TLEXHE P PEEUTV
W
 HTOADGETHER
ASKED US USE DATA FROM SOME
MONITORING TO THE TOP T RHEIGYHT
CE DONNTERE Y ATOU C AAN SEE WHE
O
E
DISP
15 IN THE CITY OF LAW OFFSITE LG
WHSPACEN WES WEIL USEL BE T THEH
ACROSS
ACTUALLY FIND THE STREET FROM IA
PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF
THE  TITHEC NEXT
SLIDE PLEASE DATA THAT MR. KRIM
USED.
HOWEVER, YOU NEED TO APPLY. 
>> I WON'T GO INTO THIS TOO
MUCH.
>> THERE'S YOUR TYPICAL THAT
TO THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO THE NET COMMENT AND WHAT FORD
TRANSIT VEHICLE. 
THAT'S RIGHT. 
THE RESULT OF A RE ANALYSIS OF
WHAT MR. CRIMMINS PREWESE'LNTEDT
AGAIN APPROXIMATELY TWICE A
WEEK AT
USING OUR OLDER TRIP GENERATION
METHODOLOGIES IN FACT YOU
CANNOT EXC TLUDEHIS T IHE DNFORS
ALL BEEN SUBMITTED TO
THE PO
FREPAROMTM THEENT ITC AS D PATAT
W
S
OF O
 OPEPRRAESENTIONTEDS PLAN.
. 
YOU CAN'T JUST USE THE LARGER
SQUARE FOOTAGE SITESAND THEN WET
USE THE LOWER SQUARE FOOTAGE
THAT WAS THE NET RESULT OF THAT
YOUR VIEW. 
SO WHAT IT GETS BACK TO IS
THE ITC DATA IS ACTUALLY PRETTY
VALID FACING
THE BAD MANAGEMENT. 
AND I ANDN THI THAST DATA IS
REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE
ACTUALLY FOUND CASE WE'RE TALKIG
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEE WE
MONITORED THE DISPENSARY THAT
WAS MENTIONED IN MULBERRY
THERE IS A JUS BUST ROUTE. 
THEER OFE'S WOR TWOCE BSTERUS RN
AT T
BY NUMBERS THE RTA EXCUSE ME THN
DOWN THE SITE THEY ACTUALLY
REPLICATE THE ITC DATA VERY
WELL.
HOWEVER AND THE APPLICANT
HAS AGREED IT HAS TO BE APPLIEDO
THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF
THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE SUBSIDIS
K
TO OUR POINT.
THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING
AT ARE OFF BY AT LEAST 50
PERCENT BECAUSE THEY'VE
EXCLUDED THE SPACE.
YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT. 
THE OTHER POINT THAT I WANT TO
MAKE IS WHEN YOU HEARD
THE ARCHITECT TALK ABOUT IF WE
JUST LOOK AT THE 20 300 SQUARE
FEET THEY HAVE A VESTIBULE AREA
THAT THEY'VE SAID CAN
ACCOMMODATE 30 PEOPLE, THEN
THEY'VE GOT A SALES AREA THAT
CAN ACCOMMODATE 66 PEOPLE. 
IF YOU JUST PHYSICALLY LOOK AT
THAT SPACE THERE, THEY CAN HOLD
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DO THIS. 
THAT'S NINETY SIX PEOPLE JUST
WITHIN THAT SPACE THERE ITSELF.
THIS ALL JUST REALLY GETS BACK
TO WHAT WE WANT TO AND AGAIN ME
AS REPRESENTING THE BUTTER IS
REALLY WE WANT TO GET ONTO WHAT
ARE THE REAL TRAFFIC NUMBERS
THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
BUILDING AND IT KEEPS COMING
BACK TO YOU NEED TO USE YOU YOU
CAN USE THE ITC DATA BECAUSE I
THINK THAT'S FAIRLY
REPRESENTATIVE WHICH WE CAN'T
CHERRY PICK THE SPACE YOU'RE
GOING TO APPLY TO IT NEEDS TO
BE APPLIED TO THE ENTIRE SQUARE
FOOTAGE THAT THIS TENET IS
GOING TO OCCUPY. 
THEY CAN NET OUT THE STAIRWELLS
WHICH YOU CAN'T NUT OUT
THE BACK OF HOUSE OPERATIONS. 
THERE IS NO BASIS FOR DOING
THAT AT ALL AND IN FACT IT IS
NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE TRIP
GENERATION METHODOLOGY FROM
THE IEEE.
IF YOU DO INCLUDE ALL OF
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE NUMBERS
ARE ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT YOU SAY
.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN 100 TO 150 TRIPS FROM
THE PEAK HOUR TO THE EXTENT
THAT THE BOARD DOES NOT IMPLY
CONDITIONS RELATING TO CAPACITY
LIMITATIONS AT THIS LOCATION
AND REALLY AS A BUTTER WHAT WE
WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT IS
THE TRUE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT
WILL BE GENERATED BY THIS
PROJECT AND WE DO NOT TAKE
EXCEPTION WITH THE USE OF
THE ITC DATA. 
HOWEVER, WE DO WANT IT APPLIED
APPROPRIATELY WHICH IS
THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT
THIS USED WILL OCCUPY INCLUDING
THE BACKUP HOUSE OPERATIONS
BECAUSE THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE
METHODOLOGY TO BE USED IN THIS
CASE IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO
CONDUCT TRAFFIC COUNTS AT ONE
OF THE DISPENSARIES THAT'S OPEN
AND LAW AND APPLY THAT TO THIS
BUILDING THEN THAT'S FINE. 
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK
AT.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY REPRESENTED
THEM BUT AGAIN THE METHODOLOGY
THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU IS
NOT CORRECT. 
IT DOES NOT PRESENT A TOTAL
PICTURE OF THE AMOUNT OF
TRAFFIC THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD
BE GENERATE IF THEY WANT TO
PROVIDE ANTI-DOPING INFORMATION
FROM ONE OF THE LOCAL
DISPENSARIES AND THAT'S FINE.
THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE
REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT MIGHT
HAPPEN IF THIS SITE ITSELF. 
THE OTHER THING IS THE CONTEXT
OF THE PROJECT AND I THINK
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KEEPS
COMING UP WESTERN STREET
ACCOMMODATES PRE COVERED IN
THE APPLICANT'S OWN TRAFFIC
24000 VEHICLES PER DAY TWENTY
FOUR THOUSAND VEHICLES PER DAY
ON A TWO LANE ROAD THAT'S
COMING INTO SIGNALS
INTERSECTION WITH WOOD STREET. 
THE APPLICANTS OWN TRAFFIC
STUDY AND SO THERE'S BEEN 3 TWO
TRAFFIC STUDIES RESPONSE TO
COMMENTS DONE WITH THIS SITE
EACH AND EVERY TIME AN ANALYSIS
IS DONE IT IS SHOWING AS WE ALL
KNOW THE WOOD STREET
INTERSECTION IS OPERATING
OVERCAPACITY AND HAS BEEN FOR
QUITE SOME TIME. 
SO THERE'S ONE VEHICLE CUES
THAT EXTEND FROM THAT NOW
GIVING AWAY FROM THE DELAYS
THAT WERE MENTIONED, THE TWO
MINUTES AND THE FIVE MINUTES
AND SUGGESTIONS THAT WELL WE'RE
OUT OF THE RANGE OF
THE CAPACITY OF THE CALIBRATION
OF THE MODEL.
THE FACT MATTER IS THAT IT'S
USED AT THAT INTERSECTION BACK
UP TO PEARL STREET THE QUEUES
AT THE TECHNOLOGY DRIVE
INTERSECTION WITH WESTWARD
STREET BACK UP THE CARL STREET.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS
THAT WAS DONE, IT'S REPORTING
THAT HEY LIMITED DELAYS A
KHALIL STREET AND TECHNOLOGY
DRIVE LIMIT DETAIL DELAYS DOWN
AT PEARL SPEED WESTERN STREET.
IT'S JUST NOT REAL BECAUSE WE
KNOW THAT THOSE CUES BACKUP
PASS THOSE INTERSECTIONS
IRRESPECTIVE DELAYS OR WHAT
THAT MEANS IS POWELL STREET IS
ALREADY IMPACTED.
YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO GET IN OR
OUT OF THAT ON EITHER END OF
THE ROAD.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THIS PROJECT
IN REALITY IS MUCH MORE FOCUSED
ON WESTWARD STREET.
TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND VEHICLES
PER DAY.
AND THEN THERE'S AN
INTERSECTION WITHIN A COUPLE
HUNDRED FEET THAT HAS BEEN
ACKNOWLEDGED IS A HIGH CRASH
LOCATION WHICH WE DON'T THINK
THE MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN
SUGGESTED NECESSARILY ADDRESS
THAT HIGH PRESSURE SITUATION. 
SO IT GETS BACK TO THAT POINT
OF REALLY LOOKING AT ARE YOU
LOOKING AT TRAFFIC NUMBERS WITH
RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT THAT
ARE TRULY REPRESENTATIVE OF
THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC
THE PROJECT GENERATE?
THAT'S THE FIRST THING.
THE SECOND THING IS TO
THE EXTENT THAT THOSE NUMBERS
ARE WRONG. 
WE'VE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED
THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED
THROUGH THREE TWO TRAFFIC
STUDIES AND A RESPONSE
THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE
INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE
OPERATING OVER THEIR DESIGN
CAPACITY WITH LONG QUEUES WHICH
DIRECTLY IMPACT THE ABILITY OF
VEHICLES TO USE OUR STREET
WHICH MEANS MORE OF THE FOCUS
THIS PROJECT ENDS UP ON
WESTWARD STREET WHICH HAS ITS
OWN CAPACITY LIMITATIONS WHICH
POTENTIALLY THEN HAS RIPPLE
EFFECTS AS TO QUEUING WITHIN
THE PROJECT SITE ITSELF.
AND HOW CIRCULATION WORKS. 
SO REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO SEE
WITH ALL THOSE CONDITIONS I
JUST DESCRIBED IS WE WANT A
TRUE PICTURE OF THE AMOUNT OF
TRAFFIC. 
THIS PROJECT'S GOING TO
GENERATE EITHER THROUGH USING
THE I.T. DATA AND APPLYING
THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF
THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING
OR CONDUCTING TRAFFIC COUNTS AT
AN OPEN DISPENSARY AND IT CAN
BE ONE OF THE LOCAL THAT HAS NO
RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON IT OR IF
THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS
THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO
INDICATE THAT THEY'RE WILLING
ACCEPT THE SAME TYPE OF
RESTRICTIONS AT THIS SITE SO
THAT BOTH SAYS THE BUTTER
THE NEIGHBORS AND THE PLANNING
BOARD HAS A TRUE PICTURE OF
THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS
PROJECT THIS POINT GENERATES. 
THEN TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU'RE
INCLINED TO APPROVE SOMETHING
HERE AT LEAST YOU WOULD HAVE
APPROPRIATE INFORMATION TO
STRUCTURE CONDITIONS AND IF
THOSE CONDITIONS INVOLVE
LIMITATIONS OR SCHEDULING OF
APPOINTMENTS THAT YOU HAVE GOOD
DATA TO BASE THAT ON AND THAT'S
THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO
SEE.
IT'S REALLY GOING BACK TO THAT
FINE POINT OF MAKING SURE THAT
WE'VE GOT GOOD INFORMATION, 
GOOD INFORMATION AS WELL TO BE
ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUE
IMPACT. 
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, JEFF.
GOOD SEEING YOU AGAIN.
ANYBODY I DON'T HAVE ANY ARE
THE MESSAGE CHAIRMAN.
OK, I'LL GO FURTHER AND SEE IF
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC LIKE
TO SPEAK. 
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WANT
TO SPEAK THIS EVENING HIGH
BUSINESS. 
>> AARON BRADLEY I THINK I
SPOKE AT THE EXCEEDINGLY JULY
MEETING AND I I STILL HAVE
THE SAME POSITION.
THE FACT THAT BOTH JEFF AND
JEFF ALSO I'M AT THIRTY NINE
CORAL STREET ACROSS THE STREET
FROM WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS
BEING PROPOSED IN CARLTON PLACE
AND WHAT BOTH JEFF AND JEFF AND
THE GENTLEMAN FOUR OF THEM HAVE
ALL SAID IS IS MY FEELINGS
EXACTLY. 
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
THIS BUSINESS AT ALL.
I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TO A
DISPENSARY AND THE ONE OVER
THAT THE FIRST GENTLEMAN WAS
TALKING ABOUT OVER ABOUT WE'RE
NINETY FIVE AND RULE THREE.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY WILD. 
IT WAS A WEEKDAY AFTERNOON AND
THERE WERE QUEUES OUT THE DOOR
.
THEY HAD TENTS AND IN A QUEUE
LIKE YOU WOULD SEE AT AN
AMUSEMENT PARK WITH WITH LINE. 
SO I WOULD SAY THAT I JUST
DON'T KNOW HOW THE LOCATION IS
THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR
THIS KIND OF BUSINESS AND I
ALSO THINK THAT FOLKS YOU KNOW
THE MAP THEY SHOWED WITH
THE DISPENSARY IS CURRENTLY IN
THE PLAN DISPENSARY DOESN'T
TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ARE
GONNA BE TRYING TO COME INTO
THIS AREA TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
OF LOCALS REGULATIONS AS
OPPOSED TO WHAT IN THEIR
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
AND YOU KNOW, IN THE LONG RUN
AS JEFF WAS SAYING, YEAH, YOU
MIGHT GAIN MONEY FROM FROM
THE DISPENSARY BUT AT WHAT
EXPENSE? 
YOU'RE OFF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE
AROUND HERE AND WE CONTRIBUTE A
LOT.
THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF
THE TAXES WE PAY IN TERMS OF
THE SHOPPING WE DO IN THE AREA
.
SO ALL IN ALL I JUST AM OPPOSED
TO THIS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR
TIME THIS EVENING AND I
COMPLETELY RANDOM NOTE BUT I
JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I REALLY
APPRECIATE THE COMMUNICATION
THAT THE CITY OF LAW HAS HAD IN
SENDING ME MEETING UPDATES AND
INFORMATION QUESTIONS THAT I
HAD FOR THEM. 
SO APPRECIATE RECRUITERS FOR
THEM AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS
TODAY.
HELLO, MR. CHAIRMAN.
CAN I JUST ADD ONE FURTHER
COMMENT? 
I THINK THERE WAS A PREVIOUS
COMMENT BY THE APPLICANT THAT
WHATEVER TRAFFIC FLOW WITH
ISSUES THAT ARE ON CASTLE
STREET ARE RELATED TO PURELY
TENANTS.
I THINK EVERYONE WHO KNOWS
THE AREA WILL KNOW IS TWO OTHER
SUBSTANTIAL APARTMENT
COMMUNITIES THAT COME OFF OF
OUR STREET THAT ALSO PARK IN
THOSE AREAS. 
IT'S PUBLIC PARKING.
AND SO IF YOU KNOW THAT PROBLEM
WITH TWO WAY TRAFFIC ON CASTLE
STREET ISN'T ENTIRELY
ATTRIBUTABLE TO PRINCETON, I
THINK THAT'S AN INACCURATE
STATEMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT
FOR THE RECORD. 
THANK YOU, SIR. 
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN
REGARDS TO HIS BUDGET THIS
EVENING? 
ANYBODY ELSE ANYBODY ELSE
CALLING IN?
THEY HAVE NOT AT THIS POINT IN
TIME. 
I WILL BRING IT OVER THE BOARD
MEMBERS BUT THE ONLY COMMENT
I'M GOING TO HAVE BEFORE I TURN
OVER THE BOARD MEMBERS IS WHEN
WE DO LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN AND
THAT SPECIAL PERMIT. 
WE DON'T LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC
IS NOT LISTED AS AS INDICATED
BUT WE BASICALLY SAY HOW MUCH
MONEY IS GOING TO BRING INTO
THE CITY FOR THE WINTER OPEN
MATTER AS WAS BROUGHT OUT BY
OUR GUIDELINES.
YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH
THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND
THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND ALL THAT
BUT WE DON'T LOOK AT
THE ECONOMIC WHO PAYS TAXES,
WHO DOESN'T HOW MUCH. 
THAT'S NOT ONE OF OUR CRITERIA
.
YOU SACRIFICED NOT IT'S SPELLED
OUT IN THAT PLAN AS WELL THAT
SPECIAL PERMIT AND ECONOMIC
GAIN IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE
CONSIDER AND THAT ON THE MOVE
ALONG AT THIS TIME AND ANY OF
THE BOARD MEMBERS AND I'LL TURN
IT OVER TO THEM THE MEMBERS MAY
HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
THANK YOU. 
ANYBODY WANT TO START FROM
THE WORD MR. CHAIRMAN MELVIN? 
>> YEAH.
BOB, GOOD EVENING.
>> HI, I MADE YOUR INITIAL
REACTION WHEN I LOOKED AT ALL
THIS TRAFFIC. 
THERE WAS I AFTER 40 YEARS OF
WORKING IN CITY PLANNING AND
BEING AWARE OF ZONING
REGULATIONS, I ALWAYS THOUGHT
PARKING WILL BASED ON SQUARE
FOOTAGE OF THE FACILITY AND I
THINK THERE IS A MOVE EVERY
ERROR HERE WITH THE APPLICANT
CUTTING A PORTION OF THE BACK
OF THE BACK SPACE IS BEING NOT
PART OF THE FACILITY CURRENTLY
FOR PARKING.
I THINK THEY'RE WRONG.
I AGREE WITH THAT. 
THAT'S VANESSA COMPANIES. 
WE BELIEVE THIS AND I CONCUR
WITH THEM THAT I MADE
THE COMMENT SO I'M HAVING A
HARD TIME MAKING THAT DECISION
AND THAT'S WHEN I'M ONLY
GETTING HALF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT
OF THE FACILITY IN
THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
THANK YOU PAYMENT. 
THANK YOU, BOB. 
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A COMMENT
.
MR. LOCKE, I JUST JUST FOLLOW
UP ON WHAT BOB SAID.
>> I YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A
I'LL ASK IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY
.
WHAT EXACTLY WAS INCLUDED IN
THE NUMBER THAT THE APPLICANT
USED TO CALCULATE TRAFFIC
IMPACT WAS A 20 300 SQUARE FEET
.
>> THAT'S WHAT THEY ESTIMATE
THAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE BASING
IT ON RENTABLE SPACES LIKE 4000
SQUARE FEET. 
SO I ASKED MY AGENCIES BY WHAT
300? 
SO YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I AGREE
WITH BOB AND HIS ASSESSMENT. 
YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO MAKE A
DECISION BASED ON I DON'T HAVE
A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT
THE IMPACT IS BECAUSE NUMBERS
THAT WERE USED ARE WRONG
APPARENTLY. 
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
SO THANK YOU, MR. LIKE A GIVEN?
YES, I MAY GO RIGHT AHEAD.
YOU TO BOB'S POINT IN WHICH I
GUESS I'D LIKE TO ASK NATASHA
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I THINK
THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS I DON'T
UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT ON IT. 
>> I MEAN IT'S A SENSITIVE AREA
BUT WE CAN GET INTO SOME
QUESTIONS EVEN FOR. 
JEFF DIRK AS WELL. 
BUT I REALLY WANT TO START WITH
THE POSTURE IS IS IT YOU KNOW
WE'RE HERE WE'RE NOT TRAFFIC
ENGINEERS. 
WE DEAL A LOT WITH ZONING AND
HOW WE APPLY SOME OF THESE
CALCULATIONS AND I THINK WE
JUST I WANTED VERIFICATION FROM
THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER AS
TO WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE
METHOD NATASHA. 
ALL RIGHT. 
AVAILABLE. 
OH, I'M SORRY.
I THOUGHT I WAS ON MUTED
UNSATISFYING HE'S IN THESE DAYS
.
YES.
YES, I THOUGHT I HAD MUTED
MYSELF. 
I'M YES. 
NATASHA VANCE, TRANSPORTATION
ENGINEER FOR THE CITY. 
SO I WOULD NOTE THAT FOR
CONVENIENCE STORES AND GROCERY
STORES, THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU
DO TYPICALLY TAKE THE ENTIRE
SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING
FOR A TRIP GENERATION. 
I WOULD NOTE THAT FOR WE'VE HAD
A NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS FOR
MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES. 
PATRICK CARE IS THE ONE THAT'S
COME UP.
AND THAT PARTICULAR DISPENSARY
WAS ASSOCIATED WITH A GIANT
MANUFACTURING FACILITY SO THEY
ONLY LOOKED AT THE SQUARE
FOOTAGE THE DISPENSARY. 
YES. 
SO THE ONE OF THOSE PROBLEMS
WITH THE I.T. NOT PROBLEMS BUT
AS AS MR. CRAM AND MR. DIRK
BOTH NOTED THERE ARE ONLY FOUR
DISPENSARIES LISTED. 
THE DATA FROM THE I.T. FOR
MARIJUANA DISPENSARY TRAFFIC
TRIP GENERATION IS BASED ON
FOUR TOTAL DISPENSARIES IN
COLORADO AND OREGON. 
SO IN THE I.T. IT'S THE I.T.
ITSELF CAUTIONS ITS USE THAT
YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT.
I ONLY GOT THE EYES LETTER THIS
AFTERNOON AND I DIDN'T HAVE A
LOT OF TIME TO DO ANY
SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH. 
I DID LOOK AT A NUMBER OF OTHER
COMMUNITIES, THE INFORMATION
THAT WAS AVAILABLE OR
DISPENSARIES THAT THEY HAD
APPROVED AND THERE WAS A LOT OF
SORT I WOULD SAY DISAGREEMENT
IN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING
WORLD WITH REGARDS TO HOW YOU
WOULD DO TRIP GENERATION FOR
MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES. 
I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CUT AND
DRY ANSWER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
SO I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK
ARGUMENTS CAN BE MADE BOTH WAYS
AND I FEEL LIKE BOTH TRAFFIC
ENGINEERS PRESENTED HERE
TONIGHT MADE A COMPELLING
ARGUMENTS. 
I JUST WOULD ALSO NOTE JUST IN
GENERAL THROUGHOUT THE CITY
WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT SITE
PLAN REVIEW WE WE DO ALMOST
ALWAYS HAVE CONGESTED STREETS,
EXISTING TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND
WE DO REQUEST MITIGATION BASED
ON THE IMPACT THAT
THE PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THIS WAS A
MARKET BASKET GOING AT THIS
LOCATION AND THEY WERE GOING TO
GENERATE THOUSANDS OF
ADDITIONAL TRIPS, WE WOULD WANT
THEM TO EVALUATE THE ADJACENT
INTERSECTIONS BASED ON THAT
GIVEN THE WHETHER IT'S 700 OR
500 TRIPS A DAY RELATIVE TO
THE REST. 
BUT CAN GESTURED IN THE CITY
AND ON THESE PARTICULAR STREETS
.
IT'S A FAIRLY SMALL NUMBER SO
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I FACTOR
IN WHEN I'M ASKING FOR TRAFFIC
MITIGATION. 
I DO THINK TRAFFIC MONITORING
PROGRAM MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IN
THIS LOCATION. 
DID THAT MEMBER FOR SHOT DID
THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? 
WELL, I THINK I THINK THAT'S
THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THE DATA
IS STILL YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL
DEVELOPING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DATA ON ON
THE IMPACTS THAT WE DO HAVE. 
LOCAL FACILITY.
BUT EVEN THAT IS IS I COULD SEE
BOTH OF THESE FACILITIES
DRAWING ON THE SAME CUSTOMER
BASE, THEREFORE DILUTING
THE TRIPS THAT EACH PARTICULAR
ONE AN INDUSTRIAL LAB IN HERE.
I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION IS
AS WELL AS WE TRY TO APPLY
THE IMPACT OF 500 OR 700
AUTOMOBILES THAT IT DISPERSES. 
I KNOW SOME. 
THE EFFECTS THAT WE SEE OF
THE CONGESTION THERE AND IT'S
TERRIBLE.
I GO THROUGH THAT QUITE OFTEN
AND BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
THE TRUE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE
AT THE HEIGHT OF THE COMMUTE IF
SOMEBODY'S THING IS YOU KNOW
HOW MANY CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO
GET 5 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON
VERSUS HOW IS THAT GOING TO
DISPERSE DURING THE WEEKDAY?
YOU KNOW, I WRITE PUT A
RESTAURANT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN
PUT OTHER OFFICES WHERE YOU
HAVE OFFICE BUILDING IN IT AND
AN OFFICE SUCH AS THAT WHERE
YOU HAVE SHIFT CHANGES. 
I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A
MASSIVE SHIFT CHANGE THAT
ACTUALLY IS PART OF THE LARGEST
EMPLOYMENT CORRIDOR IN
THE LITTLE AREA.
>> AND YOU KNOW WHEN THERE'S A
SHIFT CHANGE AND THEN AGAIN A
RESTAURANT I SEE PEOPLE GOING
DOWN A OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD
CAUSE QUITE AN IMPACT AT THAT
POINT. 
I JUST. 
IS THERE ANY DATA AS TO HOW
THAT DISPERSES?
I DON'T I THINK IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT DIFFICULT FOR US TO
GET SOME REAL CLEAR DATA AS TO
THE IMPACT THAT I JUST HONEST I
ALMOST OPEN UP TO THE THREE
TRAFFIC ENGINEERS THAT ARE OUT
.
I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT MR.
FRECHETTE IF I COULD. 
>> SO WHAT WE DO HAVE I HAVE
TWELVE HOURS OF DATA OR
THE MIDDLEBURY SITE THAT WE HAD
JUST SURVEYED RECENTLY. 
AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT
THE MIDDLEBURY SITE, WHETHER
YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IT
REPRESENTED OR NOT, IT'S JUST
OUTSIDE OF WORCESTER. 
THAT'S RIGHT OFF OF ROUTE 1
FORTY SIX. 
SO IF WE LOOK AT THIS SITE
YOU'VE GOT DRAW FROM ROUTE 3. 
SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE DRAWING
SOME DOWN FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. 
I WORKED OUT TO DISPENSE THREE
THAT'S IN SALISBURY THAT'S OFF
NINETY FIVE AND THEY DRAW FROM
NEW HAMPSHIRE AS WELL SO. 
SO YOU'D LOOK AT A LOT OF THOSE
FACTORS.
WHAT I WOULD SAY TO YOU IN
TERMS OF DISPERSAL IS THAT
THE PEAK TIME PERIOD FOR
TRAFFIC AND CUSTOMER ACTUALLY
DOES COINCIDE WITH THE WEEKDAY
EVENING PEAK HOUR AND THAT'S
WHAT WE HAD SEEN. 
SO THAT'S THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE
A PEAK IMPACT.
IT'S FULL DURING THE EVENING
PEAK HOUR AND THEN ALSO DURING
THAT SATURDAY MIDDAY TIME. 
NOW WHAT THE DATA WOULD SUGGEST
IS THAT THE NUMBERS ARE MUCH
HIGHER THAN WHAT HAS BEEN
ESTIMATED USING THESE ACTUAL
TRAFFIC. 
SO IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING LESS
THAN IF I APPLIED TO THE FULL
SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING.
BUT IT'S NOT 84 TRIPS. 
IT'S MORE IT'S WELL OVER 100
PEAK HOUR SHIFTS.
IF YOU APPLY THE TRIP RATE PER
THOUSAND SQUARE FEET TO
THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT'S
BEING OCCUPIED HERE, THE PEAK
IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN
THE EVENING.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHEN
THE MOST CONGESTION HAPPENS ON
THAT ROADWAY, IT'S A EVE.
NOW MR. DECKED JUST BLUE
CURIOUS BECAUSE I I HONESTLY
TAKE ISSUE IN GENERAL WHETHER
IT WORKS THE OUR FAVOR OR NOT
STOP USING USING TRAFFIC
INFORMATION FROM THE LISTENER. 
BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY
WAS THERE ANOTHER FACILITY
CLOSE BY SUCH AS THE ONE OF
THE INDUSTRIAL LAB HERE WITH
PATRIOT AIR IS OBVIOUSLY THAT'S
GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM I THINK
SOME IMPACT IS EITHER SIDE.
>> SO THERE'S NOT AND I AGREE
WITH YOU THAT COMPETITION LEADS
TO DISPERSAL DISPERSAL TRIPS.
SO SO YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THERE
WILL BE SOME DISTRIBUTION
BETWEEN THOSE SITES, HOWEVER.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS AGAIN
THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT AT
THIS SITE IS THE PROXIMITY TO
ROUTE 3 THAT WILL HAVE AN
INFLUENCE ON IF YOU'RE USING
FREIGHT AND YOU'RE GETTING OFF
ON WESTBRIDGE STREET. 
THE PROXIMITY OF THIS
DISPENSARY TO A MAJOR
INTERCHANGE IN IRRESPECTIVE OF
THE CONGESTION BECAUSE YOU
KNOW, THESE ARE TRIPS WHERE YOU
SAY THAT THIS IS A PURCHASE
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE.
THIS IS YOUR SOLE DESTINATION. 
SO YOU'RE GOING THERE BECAUSE
OF WHERE THIS SITE IS LOCATED. 
SO PROXIMITY TO A HIGHWAY DOES
HAVE AN INFLUENCE. 
COMPETING OPPORTUNITIES DOES
HAVE INFLUENCE.
SO I THINK IT JUST IT REALLY
JUST GETS BACK TO IS THE DATA
THAT YOU HAD BEFORE
REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS SITE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY
WHAT I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING
TO GRAPPLE WITH.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY TO
YOU IS THAT IF YOU APPLY
THE I.T. METHOD G THE CORRECT
WAY THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE
APPLIED, YOU END UP WITH HIGHER
TRAFFIC NUMBERS THAN MERE
ESTIMATES. 
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL
TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE FOR
THIS PROJECT, YOU HAVE HIGHER
TRAFFIC NUMBERS THAN ARE
PRESENTED TONIGHT.
IF YOU LOOK AT DATA ABSENT
ABSENT ANY OTHER DATA, IF YOU
LOOK AT DATA FROM ANOTHER
OPERATING FACILITY THAT WAS
RECENTLY COLLECTED, YOU END UP
WITH HIGHER TRAFFIC NUMBERS
THAN WERE ESTIMATED FOR THIS
SITE. 
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE
DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE OF THEM WAS PRODUCED BY
THE APPLICANT AND ALL OF THOSE
.
ALL OF THOSE DATA POINTS ARE
POINTING TO THESE NUMBERS BEING
HIGHER THAN WHAT'S BEEN
PRESENTED TO YOU.
AND ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS
TRY TO COME UP WITH WHAT IS
THE WHAT ARE THE RIGHT NUMBERS
FOR THIS SITE AND THREE DATA
POINTS ARE SAYING THESE
THE RIGHT NUMBER AND WE JUST
WANT TO TRY THAT IN ORDER TO
UNDERSTAND THE TRUE IMPACT OF
THIS PROJECT. 
WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT
NUMBERS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE
FOR THIS LOCATION AND WE'RE NOT
SEEING THAT IN TERMS OF
THE DATA THAT WAS PRESENT. 
BUT TO YOUR POINT IS THE .
WHAT I'M WHAT I'M CONCERNED
ABOUT I REALLY SIT BACK AND
JUST LISTEN WITH AN OPEN MIND
IS WHAT I'M HEARING HERE THIS
EVENING IS THAT WHEN I HAD TO
COME UP WITH STAND THAT
EVERYBODY COULD AGREE THAT
YOU'RE REPRESENTING YOUR CLIENT
.
WE HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER
REPRESENTING HIS CLIENT AND WE
HAVE EVEN THE CITY'S TRAFFIC
ENGINEER SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW
WHAT? 
THERE IS STILL SOME CONTROVERSY
IN THIS INDUSTRY IS HOW WE
ACTUALLY DO IT.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT PRESENTS
QUITE A DILEMMA FOR THE BOARD. 
I THINK AT THIS POINT. 
ABSOLUTELY.
>> YEAH.
AND I GUESS I NEVER WANT TO BE
SITTING IN YOUR IN YOUR SEAT AT
ALL.
AND I THINK ALL WE WANT TO DO
IS COME UP WITH SOMETHING
THAT'S REASONABLE. 
BUT I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT, 
YOU KNOW, AS A BOARD YOU'RE
LOOKING OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
YOU'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE CITY
.
BUT IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO PUT
PROPER CONDITIONS ON A PROJECT
TO TRY TO COME TO GRIPS WITH
THE IMPACTS OF THAT PROJECT. 
YOU REALLY HAVE GOT TO BE
STARTING WITH GOOD NUMBERS
BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD
NUMBERS TO START WITH THEN THEN
THE BOARD CAN LOOK AT IT AND
SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, WE THINK
THIS MIGHT BE TOO HIGH. 
SO HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO
CONDITION IT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE NUMBERS ARE MORE IN LINE
WITH WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. 
AND THEN YOU DO YOUR MONITORING
AND IF IT ALL WORKS THEN YOU
CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 
RELAXING SOME OF THOSE
CONDITIONS. 
BUT YOU'VE GOT TO START WITH
SOME GOOD NUMBERS TO BEGIN WITH
SO THAT THEN YOU CAN PUT PROPER
CONDITIONS IN. 
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I INTERJECT
PLEASE? 
GO AHEAD.
WE ARE IN THIS POSITION AS WITH
MANY PROJECTS DURING THE COURSE
OF A PROJECT'S HISTORY AND MR.
DEREK WILL AGREE WITH ME ON
THIS. 
THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT CHANGES
INITIALLY QUITE OFTEN UNTIL YOU
GET A FINAL SIZE AND THAT'S
WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE HERE
IN DEVELOPING SQUARE FOOTAGE OF
WHAT WE CALL THE RETAIL AREA
WHICH WE BASE OUR SQUARE
FOOTAGE ON WHICH WE DEVELOPED
20 HUNDRED SQUARE FEET FROM
THE BEST IS BACK OFFICE THAT
INCLUDES THAT BACK OFFICE SPACE
AND STORAGE. 
YOU KNOW THAT INCLUDES
THE EMPLOYEES WHO WERE PART OF
THAT SEVEN TO 10 ON A DAILY
BASIS THAT ARE IN OUR TRAFFIC
GENERATION NUMBERS. 
>> WHAT THREW US OFF WAS
THE WHAT THREW ME OFF WAS THAT
JEFF'S MR. DIRKS MEMORANDUM
FROM FOR 2019 ABOUT A YEAR AGO
NOW IN TERMS OF HOW HE
CALCULATED TRIPS AND I'VE KNOWN
MR. BURKE FOR MANY YEARS AND I
KNOW HE'S A GOOD TRAFFIC
ENGINEER AND I KNOW WHY WOULD
HE WRITE SOMETHING THAT WAS
FALSE.
SO THAT'S WHAT LED ME DOWN
THE PATH TO LOOKING AT
THE TRAFFIC GENERATION BASED ON
JUST THE DISPENSARY AREA.
IF WE LOOK AT THE ITC DATA FOR
THE TRIPS AND WE ALL KNOW IT'S
BEEN SAID MANY TIMES TONIGHT
THE DATA IS LIMITED AND WE HAVE
TO GO WITH THE BEST DATA WE
HAVE. 
AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT
THE TRAFFIC GENERATION IS FROM
THE ITC DATA BASE FOR THE TWO
SITES THAT ARE OVER THREE
THOUSAND SQUARE FEET SIMPLY ON
A WEEKDAY DAILY BASIS AND WE
PROJECT OUR 4000 YOU'RE DONE
ALREADY TRIPS FOR TIME SUCH AS
THE ITC TO ITC SOURCES THERE
ARE THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET
.
SO THAT'S WHY I KNOW YOU HAVE
TO LOOK AT ALL THE DATA AND YOU
MAKE THE BEST ENGINEERING
JUDGMENT WE CAN. 
IF WE WERE TO RERUN ALL
THE NUMBERS I CHANGED THE LEVEL
OF SERVICE WOULD STILL BE IN
SAME RANTED.
THE CALCULATED QS WOULD
PROBABLY GO UP A LITTLE BIT BUT
WOULD THEY BE UP SIGNIFICANTLY?
NO, NOT MANY IF WE HAD THE ONE
CAR TO YOU.
MAYBE IT GOES MAYBE IT GETS
PRIEST BY TO BUT WE ALL KNOW
THAT AGAIN.
NOW I'LL SAY IT AGAIN
OPERATIONAL NOW PASSES FOR ON
SIGNAL EIS INTERSECTION. 
GRANTED THERE MAY BE IMPACTS TO
YOUR CUING FROM ANOTHER NEARBY
INTERSECTION. 
BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS
QUARTER RIGHT NOW TODAY.
ONE THING WE HADN'T EVEN TALKED
ABOUT IS YOU KNOW, IF MOONS
WERE NOT AS PART OF THIS
APPLICATION, THE LANDLORD IS AT
WILL TO FILL THE SPACE WITH
WHOEVER HE WANTS AND THEY COULD
GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF
TRAFFIC WHATEVER ENDS GOING IN
THERE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO
MITIGATION, NO DISCUSSION
WHATSOEVER. 
SO RERUNNING THE NUMBERS IF I
COULD JUST DROP NOW BEING BEING
IN NET AND I BELIEVE ME I
LOOKED AT THAT AND I THINK
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I MEAN
WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT
AS ON ITS MERITS AS IT STANDS
BEFORE US.
>> BUT I THINK THAT IS A VALID
POINT THAT THERE IS THERE IS
SOME BUYING RIGHT OPTIONS HE
HAD TO OCCUPY THIS FACILITY
THAT COULD GENERATE AS MUCH
TRAFFIC OR PERHAPS EVEN
GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC AT AT
THE PEAK HOURS. 
AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND I THINK
I THINK AT LEAST UNDERSTOOD. 
HOWEVER, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO
DECIDE IS PROJECT THAT'S OR IN
IN IMPACT AND IF WE ARE GOING
TO VOTE WELL FULLY
UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT IMPACT
IS, WHAT THE ISSUE IS
THE MOMENT IS POSTPONED TO
FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT
BASED ON SOME NUMBERS THAT WE
IN REASONABLE WE AGREED TO. 
>> SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD BE
LOOKING FOR AND I DON'T KNOW
HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD FEELS
BUT IT IS REALLY THE CITY'S
TRAFFIC ENGINEER PERHAPS EVEN
WORKING WITH EPD REALLY DID
THE MATH ON OUR ORDNANCE WAS
CRAFTED AS A RESULT OF THE VOTE
TAKEN BY THE CITIZENS OF
THE MASSACHUSETTS IN THE CITY
OF LOW. 
WE VOTED ON IT AND ADOPTED IT
AS PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE
.
AND THE NET EFFECT WAS WITH
THE IT WAS MODIFIED AS IT CAME
FORWARD UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME
THE SECURITY AND TRAFFIC PLAN
REALLY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES
WAS BEST NOT PRESENTING BEFORE
THE BOARD FOR PRIVACY SAKE TO
REMAIN SECURE AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT HAVE TO PROVE IT. 
I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR MAYBE
MORE GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY'S
TRAFFIC ENGINEER DPD. 
PERHAPS YOU'VE BEEN DOING SOME
RESEARCH ON THE PROPER
APPLICATION OF HOW WE DETERMINE
THE USAGE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE
AS IT PERTAINS TO TRAFFIC
GENERATION AND WHETHER OR NOT
IT AFFECTS THE PARKING.
I THINK BASED ON WHAT'S BEING
PRESENTED EVERYBODY SEEMS FEEL
THAT THE PARKING IS ADEQUATELY
ADDRESSED BUT AGAIN I I THINK I
THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS. 
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S VERY
LITTLE DATA AVAILABLE EVEN
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND I THINK
THAT'S THAT'S A TREMENDOUS
CHALLENGE. 
BUT I THINK IF WE COULD. 
MR. CHAIRMAN, I AGAIN, I DON'T
KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD
FEELS BUT I REALLY WOULD BE
LOOKING FOR THEM MORE TECHNICAL
GUIDANCE FROM DPD AND
THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER AS
TO A FORMULA THE CITY FEELS IS
APPLICABLE. 
>> WE. 
THANK THAT'S THAT I AND I WILL
JUST SAY ON THE ON THE SPECIAL
PERMIT IN THE CHAIRMAN'S POINT
THAT THERE ARE SIX FACTORS AS
WELL AS TO THE TRAFFIC IS
OBVIOUSLY A BIG ISSUE AND AN
OFTEN IS IS THE MOST
CONTENTIOUS ISSUE FOR A PROJECT
BUT IT IS THE SOCIAL ECONOMIC
AND COMMUNITY NEEDS.
I HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT AND THIS
WAS A DPD MEMO THAT'S OUT ON
LINE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE AND IT'S
ON PAGE 1 17 OF THE CITY'S
ZONING ORDINANCE. 
THERE'S SIX FACTORS WITHIN A
SITE. 
I'M SORRY A SPECIAL PERMIT AND
MR. BROWN, YOU SAY YOU GO
BEFORE BOYS ALL THE TIME AND
YOU'RE VERY COMFORTABLE AROUND
THIS. 
YOU YOU CAN BE AND WE PICK
THE TWO ITEMS THAT YOU HAD
THERE AND NOT CITING THE OTHER
ITEMS.
BUT WE DO LOOK AT THE SOCIAL
AND ECONOMIC COMMUNITY NEEDS. 
WE DO THEN WE LOOK AT TRAFFIC
FLOW GET VERY IMPORTANT AND IT
BECOMES A BIG ISSUE DEAL WITH
ADEQUACY OF UTILITIES AND
SERVICES THAT SEEMS TO BE NO
ISSUE AT THIS POINT. 
NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND
SOCIAL STRUCTURE OBVIOUSLY THAT
BECOMES AN ISSUE IN SOME
OCCASIONS. 
AND THEN THE IMPACT ON
THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENT WHICH
DOES NOT SEEM TO BE GETTING
THE POTENTIAL OF FISCAL IMPACT
INCLUDING IMPACT ON THE CITY
SERVICES TAX BASE AND
EMPLOYMENT. 
BUT I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. 
I KNOW WHY MR. BROWN, YOU
SPECIFICALLY TRAFFIC BECAUSE
THAT WAS THE ISSUE THAT REALLY
I THINK GET THE CRUX OF
THE MATTER HERE. 
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT
CLEAR ON A ON A SPECIAL PERMIT
.
THERE MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT
THE BOARD HAS TO CONSIDER WHEN
A PROJECT PRESENTS ITSELF.
AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S MY
THOUGHTS AT THIS POINT, MR.
CHAIRMAN.
I REALLY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR
MORE GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT
THE CITY FEELS IS A PROPER
APPLICATION OF OF THE SPACE AS
IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC. 
THINK. 
>> JERRY, DO YOU MIND IF WE ASK
NATASHA IF SHE HAS A COMMENT ON
THAT? 
>> SURE. 
I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO PUT
ON THE SPOT AT THIS TIME I SAY
YES.
YEAH, SURE. 
YEAH, YEAH.
IF SHE WANTS TO RESPOND OFF
RESERVE OR. 
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A
CLOSER LOOK AT SOME OF
THE OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR
DISPENSARIES IN THE CITY.
LOOK AT THE METHODOLOGIES THAT
THEY LOOK AT AND JUST TRY SO
THAT EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT
ACROSS THE BOARD. 
I KNOW PATRICK FOR INSTANCE
THEY HAD A GIANT FACILITY AND
THEY ONLY USED THE SMALLER
SQUARE FOOTAGE BUT I DON'T KNOW
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OF THAT
SQUARE FOOTAGE INCLUDED
BACKSPACE OR IF THAT WAS JUST
THEIR RETAIL SPACE. 
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY AS THE BOARD
NOTED, THEY HAD A VERY DETAILED
OPERATING PLAN AND OFFSITE
PARKING, ET CETERA. 
SO I THINK I WOULD PREFER TO DO
SOME INVESTIGATING. 
I ALSO THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT
UNREASONABLE FOR IT TO TALK
WITH PATRICK CARE AND IF THERE
IF THE TRIPS THAT THEY'RE
SEEING ARE MATCHING WITH WHAT
THEY ANTICIPATED. 
WE ALSO I KNOW THE WE HAVE
MAYFLOWER CONDITIONALS IS GOING
IN ON MANUFACTURE STREET IN
THE US AND SO THEY WILL OPEN UP
BEFORE THIS IF THIS DISPENSARY
WERE TO BE APPROVED. 
SO I DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE A MULTIPLE NUMBER OF
DISPENSARIES IN THE CITY AND IT
WILL DISPERSE TRAFFIC. 
I DO AGREE WITH MR. DIRK THAT
THE PROXIMITY OF ROUTE 3 WILL
DEFINITELY BRING TRAFFIC OFF
THE HIGHWAY.
AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT
THE MIDDLEBURY AND MAYBE MR.
DERP CAN ANSWER THIS. 
DID THE DISPENSARY HAVE AN IDEA
AS TO WHY PEOPLE WERE COMING?
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WERE COMING
ON THEIR LUNCH HOUR ON THEIR
WAY HOME.
IF I HAD TO GUESS BASED ON WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING THAT WITH
THE BEAT AND I'M WONDERING IF
THE DISPENSARY DID ANY HAD A
DATA DATA POINT ON THAT THEY
DIDN'T HAVE CUSTOMER SERVICE IN
TERMS OF WHAT WE I MENTIONED WE
HAVE 10 TO 12 HOURS WORTH OF
TRAFFIC COUNTS AND WHAT WE DID
FIND IS THAT THERE IS A PEAK
HOUR OF THE GENERATOR IS
ACTUALLY THE PEAK COINCIDES
WITH THE WEEKDAY EVENING PEAK
HOUR WHETHER PEOPLE ARE JUST
STOPPING THERE ON THEIR WAY
HOME THAT WOULD BE WHAT IT IS
AGAIN.
THEY DIDN'T DO CUSTOMER SURVEYS
SO WE HAVE NO IDEA WHY THAT
SPIKE WAS HAPPENING THEN.
BUT THE EVENING PEAK HOUR
COINCIDING WITH THE ROADWAY
PEOPLE WAS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT
THE PEAK HOUR THE GENERATOR
WAS.
SO JUST LOOKING AT THAT WOULD
LEAD US TO BELIEVE THAT IT DID
HAVE SOME RELATIONSHIP TO
PEOPLE'S TRAVEL PATTERNS AT
THAT TIME OF DAY WHICH WOULD
SAY SUGGEST IT DOES HAVE TO DO
WITH THE PEOPLE COMING HOME
FROM WORK ESSENTIALLY AND
TRUSTING. 
YEAH.
I JUST THINK IT MIGHT BE WORTH
TALKING TO PATRICK CARE ABOUT
WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE
EXPERIENCING WITH REGARDS TO
TRAFFIC AND IN TERMS OF WHEN
THEIR PEAKS ARE BECAUSE AS ONE
OF THE RESIDENTS MENTIONED WHEN
I DRIVEN BY PATRICK CARE
FACILITY THERE HAVE BEEN LINES
OUT THE DOOR. 
SO I BUT I'VE BEEN BY THERE
VARIOUS TIMES THROUGHOUT
THE DAY AND IT DOESN'T IT SEEMS
TO BE SORT OF UNCEASING.
SO I HAD THE IMPRESSION THAT IT
WAS EVENLY DISTRIBUTED
THROUGHOUT THE DAY. 
BUT AGAIN NOT BASED ON DATA BUT
SIMPLY BASED ON ANECDOTAL
EVIDENCE AND I WOULD PREFER TO
MAKE A DECISION BASED ON DATA
ASK.
MR. IF ASKED A QUESTION OF
THE FASHION SHOW WHAT'S
THE EFFORT? 
I THINK SHE WILL.
SHE KNOWS THE ANSWER.
IF NOT, YOU ALREADY HAVE OF
THE ANY OF THE OTHER
DISPENSARIES IN BOLD DO THEY
HAVE A MONITORING PROGRAM?
>> SO PATRICK HERE IS THE ONLY
OTHER CURRENTLY OPEN DISPENSARY
AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A
MONITORING PROGRAM TO MY THAT I
CAN CALL RED. 
DO YOU RECALL THAT
THE CONDITION OF THE PLANNING? 
WE UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT RECALL
THAT. 
BUT MY HEAD I WOULD NEED TO
LOOK AT THOSE PROJECT FILES. 
WE DID HAVE THEM WANTED TO
UNPLUG THEM.
I BELIEVE IT WAS PART OF IT WAS
MONITORED BY THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE HAD
DETAILS SET BY THE POLICE
OFFICERS AND THEY HAD TO BE PUT
BACK IN IT.
PATRICK, YOU SAID THEY WOULD
PUT TWO POLICE OFFICERS OUT
THERE TO BEGIN WITH ON A DAILY
BASIS AND THEY ASKED FOR HOW
LONG THAT WOULD BE. 
AND I TOLD PATRICK CARE WAS NOT
UP TO THE PLANNING BUT IT WAS
UP TO THE CITY A LOCAL POLICE
DEPARTMENT. 
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO PUT
THE AGREEMENT IN PLACE AND WAS
TOTALLY UP TO THEM. 
THEY DIDN'T WANTED IT WITH
THE BOARD MEMBERS COME BACK BUT
THEY RECALL THIS I KNOW JERRY
REMEMBERS IT BECAUSE WE'VE NOT
HAD THE DECIDE WITH SOME OF
THE OTHER AND WE TO THERE END
BUT THEY HAD POLICE OFFICERS
ON.
AND THE QUESTION WAS HOW LONG
WERE THEY GONNA BE THERE?
AND THAT WAS TOTALLY UP TO
THE AGREEMENT WITH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT. 
SO THE MORNINGTON PROCESS WAS
DONE THROUGH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT BY HOW OFTEN THEY
NEEDED POLICE OFFICERS ON DUTY
FOR A PERIOD OF HOW LONG A
PERIOD OF TIME. 
I HAD FORGOTTEN ALL ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. 
I HOPE THAT ANSWERED
THE QUESTION. 
I THINK THE OTHER BOARD MEMBER
MAY CALLED IT GERRY. 
REMEMBER THAT?
I MEAN AND THEN WHEN PATRONS
SAID WELL HOW LONG IS IT WITH
THE JAIL LIGHTS IT IS NOT UP TO
ME AND ASK ME ANYTHING. 
IT'S UP TOP THIS POLICE
DEPARTMENT. 
THAT'S THE AGREEMENT YOU HAD
WITH THEM.
THEY TELL YOU THEY GOT TWO
POLICE OFFICERS OUT THERE FOR
FOUR YEARS.
IT CAN BE FOR FOUR YEARS.
IT'S GONNA BE FOR SIX MONTHS
AND IT'S BEEN MONTHS BE FOR A
YEAR LIKE WELL THAT I DIDN'T
DREAM AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NOTHING. 
AND NETFLIX NOTHING TO DO WITH
THE BOYCOTT.
SO OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO
AFRICAN WANTED THEM PLAN THAT
WE DON'T HAVE NOW WHICH SAYS IN
THE APPLICANTS THAT WE WILL GET
IT ONCE THEY AGREE UPON IT WITH
THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF
INFORMATION GIVEN TO US AHEAD
OF TIME WHEN WE APPROVED IT.
ADRIAN PROJECT BECAUSE WE KNEW
WHAT THE POLICE WERE GOING TO
DO AND HOW THEY GOING TO TAKE
CARE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT HELPED
US AND SO A LOT OF QUESTIONS
AND HOW TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC
BUT THE MONITORING I WAS
TALKING ABOUT WAS ACTUAL
PHYSICAL MEASURING AND COUNTING
OF CARS COMING INTO AND OUT. 
OKAY. 
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT IT BECAUSE
THIS WAS ALSO CONTROLLING
THE SITE WITH THE CONGESTION, 
THE PARKING AND THERE WAS
CONCERNS OF NEIGHBORS AND
PEOPLE PARKING ON SIDE STREETS
.
THEY DIDN'T LIKE TO.
AND THAT WAS SOME THAT
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO GOT
INVOLVED WITH. 
YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S TYPICALLY
PART OF EVERY OPERATIONAL PLAN
FOR A DISPENSARY TO MAKE SURE
THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS
SATISFIED THAT IS THE WAY IT
IS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THROUGH YOU TO
MR. DEREK SHOW IF YOU KNOW MY
DEFINITION A QUESTION TIME WITH
THAT THE THERE WOULD BE WILLING
TO SHARE HIS TRAFFIC COUNT
INFORMATION THAT HE HAS FROM
HIS MILITARY SIDE. 
ABSOLUTELY.
AND AS WELL THE DATA THAT I WAS
MENTIONING THAT'S ALL THE DATA
THAT I WAS MENTIONING THAT WE
USED TO AS A PART OF THE PEER
REVIEW THAT CAME BACK TO US.
>> BUT THEY WERE BEHAVIORAL
PSYCH WAS BASED ON PATRICK
AGREEMENT.
PETERSON PROVIDED TO US OR GPI
PROVIDED US ACTION OBSERVATIONS
FROM PATRIOT CARE TO BE USED TO
ADJUST THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES THAT
WE USED IN THE STUDY THAT
YOU'RE REFERENCING. 
SO I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THOSE
NUMBERS TO YOU AS WELL. 
THANK YOU, JEFF. 
AT THE END OF THE DAY I HAD
THE CHAIRMAN. 
>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S ALL I HAD
THOUGHT. 
I JUST THINK WHEN THE TASHA IS
AMENABLE TO THAT AND I THINK IT
REALLY ON THE BOARD'S
PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD BE MY
OPINION.
I CAN'T SEE HOW WE CAN'T.
WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT
GETTING REALLY A BASELINE
ESTABLISHED.
>> THANK YOU. 
THANK YOU. 
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE
ANY COMMENT? 
YEAH, I AGREE WITH GERRY. 
MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WOULD BE
THE APPROPRIATE DIRECTION. 
ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT
HAVEN'T SPOKE YET?
ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD? 
NO.
THERE'S NO GALVIN I JUST I
FIRST JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT I
LIVE ON SUNSET BOULEVARD AND
I'M SORRY.
QUITE OFTEN SEVERAL TIMES A
WEEK I'M GOING TO SCAN
THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN.
BUT I DID WANT TO SAY I NATASHA
SPOKE TODAY BY READING THROUGH
HER RESPONSES OVER THE WEEK AND
OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS
I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF
THE PROJECT IF THE CLIENT WOULD
BE OPEN TO IMPLEMENTING A
TRAFFIC MONITORING PROGRAM
INCREMENTALLY. 
SO WHETHER THREE MONTHS, SIX
MONTHS, ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS
AND THEN MITIGATE TRAFFIC, THEY
FIND THAT THERE IS A BIG
INCREASE. 
THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS
BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU KNOW,
THEY'VE NOTED THAT IT'S LESS
THAN A 2 PERCENT INCREASE IN
TRAFFIC AND ALSO BECAUSE IT'S
NEGATIVE THINGS LIKE WE'VE SAID
THE EXISTING BUILDING I MEAN
IT'S NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY TENANTS IN
THERE. 
THERE'S NO CHANGE IN
THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
SO I WOULD POINT OUT THAT. 
THANK YOU. 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
ANYBODY ELSE? 
YEAH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU AGAIN JUST
ONE LAST TIME. 
I DON'T WANT TO BE A DEAD HORSE
BUT IN TWO YEARS THIS WILL BE
14 DISPENSARIES IN THIS GENERAL
AREA AND THE TRAFFIC WILL BE
DISPERSED AND IT'S GOING TO
COME DOWN AND I I AM NO EXPERT
ON THE MARKETING OF
DISPENSARIES AND HOW THEY DO
THEIR BUSINESS. 
I WOULD SAY THAT RIGHT NOW OFF
THE TOP I GOT YOU KNOW, WHOEVER
IS GOING TO HAVE THE SHINIEST
TOOL AT THE END OF THE DAY
REGARDLESS OF LOCATION IS
PROBABLY GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW
,THE BIGGEST CUSTOMER DRAW.
YEAH BUT ALSO I KNOW LOCATION,
LOCATION AND TRAFFIC LIKE
TRAFFIC MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON
THE BIGGEST BLOCK. 
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEN THEY
GET BACK TO THEME IF I CAN
FINISH WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS I
KNOW YOU SPOKE YOU SPOKE AT
LEAST SIX TIMES NOW I'M STILL
WAITING TO BOARDMAN AND THIS IS
NOT A MEMBER CAN GO AHEAD. 
YEAH, I I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING
ELSE TO ADD.
I THINK A LOT OF STUFF HAS BEEN
COVERED ALREADY REGARDING
TRAFFIC. 
KAYLA.
YES. 
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
THANK YOU.
OH THANK GOD. 
I AGREE WITH THE REST OF
THE BOARD. 
THE PROFIT REMAINS. 
I THINK THE KEY ISSUE I
ACKNOWLEDGE THE APPLICANT
ADDRESSING THE PARKING ISSUE BY
BY MAKING AGREEMENT WITH
THE NEIGHBORS.
SO I WOULDN'T BE TOO CONCERNED
WITH PARKING IF PARKING
GENERATIONS EXCEEDS THE CURRENT
CAPACITY.
I'M SURE THE APPLICANT CAN YOU
KNOW WE'LL HAVE LEEWAY TO TO
ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. 
AND I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE
THE APPLICANT ADDRESSING
THE DUMPSTER SCREENING AND ALSO
SOME WATER ADDRESSING SOME
WATER REQUIREMENT AND REGARDING
TRAFFIC I REFERRED TO
THE ENGINEERS TO DETERMINE
THE BEST WAY TO DETERMINE
THE ACTUAL IMPACTS THAT THAT
WILL BE GENERATED WITH THIS
PROPOSAL DEVELOPMENT. 
WITH A NOTE THAT I WANT TO GO
MAKE THAT BABACAN MIKE MIGHT
HAVE TO COURSERA SOME WAY TO
MITIGATE LIGHT TRAFFIC IN WITH
THE EXISTING HEAVY TRAFFIC
ALREADY AND WESTPORT STREET. 
IF IF THE GENERATION HAPPENS TO
THE TRAFFIC GENERATION HAPPENS
TO BE HIGH THERE MIGHT BE MORE
SIGNIFICANT RESTRICTIONS ON ON
ON OUR MITIGATION MEASURES
REQUIRED OF US FROM FROM
THE DEVELOPMENT. 
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT
NOTE THAT ONCE WE HAVE
THE NUMBERS AND THEN WE CAN WE
CAN DISCUSS FURTHER DOWN THAT. 
THANK YOU. 
THANK YOU. 
OKAY.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR.
GRAHAM.
I KNOW AS INDICATED IT WAS
BROUGHT UP EARLIER IN
THE MISSIVE DIRK MENTIONED IT
THAT THE PRIOR TRAFFIC STUDY
WAS 700.
RICK NOW THAT WAS DOWN THE 582.
COULD YOU TELL US HOW THAT
CHANGED PLACE?
YEAH.
BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS STUDY HAD
A SLIGHTLY LARGER RETAIL AREA
IN THE TRAFFIC THAN IS WHAT WE
CURRENTLY HAVE NOW. 
THAT'S WHY THE DIFFERENT THAT'S
WHY THE NUMBERS CAME DOWN. 
OKAY.
SO YOU USED THE MALL WITH A
4000 SQUARE FOOT PROJECTION
THE TWENTY THREE HUNDRED.
CORRECT. 
>> WE USED TO 4000 SQUARE FOOT
GROSS AREA UP FOR THE TRIP
GENERATION NUMBERS WE USE
TWENTY THREE HUNDRED FEET. 
I AGREE. 
THE BIGGEST TRAFFIC STUDY HAD A
SLIGHTLY HIGHER RETAIL AREA
NUMBER THAN TWENTY THREE
HUNDRED.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAD A SLIGHTLY
HIGHER NUMBER IN 582. 
THANK YOU.
GIVE A SO WAS REQUESTED AT
THE START MR. CHEAP AND I GUESS
TO PUT THIS IN A FORM MOTION I
WOULD CONTINUE THE HEARING
UNTIL THE AND I GUESS I WOULD
DEFER TO THE CITY'S TRAFFIC
ENGINE DPP I BELIEVE IT LOOKS
LIKE WE HAVE WE HAVE A MEETING
SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 24TH AS
WELL OR IN SEPTEMBER.
>> I DON'T KNOW.
SEPTEMBER 10TH IS TOO SOON. 
THAT'S NEXT WEEK WOULD
SEPTEMBER 24TH OR OCTOBER 5TH
WORKED PAST ATTACHED?
>> I WOULD DEFER TO YOU ON ON
WHAT YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE. 
SO YOU'RE ASKING IF WE CAN IF I
CAN DETERMINE WHAT METHODOLOGY
THE CITY PREFERS BY THAT TIME
AND YOU SHOULD, MR. MAYOR, THEN
AND THEN WE'D HAVE NUMBERS
BASED ON THAT METHODOLOGY AND
THEN WE'D HAVE YOU WHETHER IT
BE A MITIGATION PLAN BASED ON
WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
>> SURE.
I'M SORRY IT'S SEPTEMBER 24TH. 
THERE'S A SEPTEMBER 24TH
THURSDAY AND THEN WE HAVE
MONDAY OCTOBER 5TH I IT SEEMS
SEPTEMBER TWENTY FOURTH SEEMS
REASONABLE TO ME TO MAKE IT
MAKE A DECISION AND AND MR.
DARK TO GET ALL THE NUMBERS. 
>> MR. CRAM IN BUT I GUESS I
WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT IF YOU
KNOW IF THEY CAN BE YOU.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT
YEAH.
THE NEXT DAY. 
AT THIS POINT SINCE YOUR JOB
SORRY GO TO THAT POINT I GUESS
THEODORE I GUESS YOU'RE GOING
TO DEFER TO THE TRAFFIC
ENGINEERS BUT DOES THAT DOES
THAT APPEAR BE ADEQUATE TIME? 
YEAH, WE YOU KNOW, WE
DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE SOME
GUIDANCE ON THIS.
WHEN WHEN WHEN THE INFORMATION
THAT HATRED CARE WAS BASED ON
RETAIL SPACE, THERE'S THERE'S
DEFINITELY YOU KNOW, SOME
ISSUES HERE.
I MEAN I'M NOT A TRAFFIC
ENGINEER BUT I DON'T SEE HOW
DENSE STORAGE SPACE CREATES
TRIPS. 
I CAN'T SEE THAT.
BUT THERE MUST BE A THEORY
BEHIND IT. 
SO WE CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO
HAVE SOME SOME SOME GUIDANCE ON
THIS. 
AND THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVE
THAT YOU KNOW, WE MAY WANT TO
EXPLORE BUT CERTAINLY GUIDANCE
ON TRAFFIC AND TRIP GENERATION
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAVE A
FORMULA PUT TOGETHER FOR
THE BOARD I THINK IS SOMETHING
THAT I THI IT'S A VERY GOOD
SUGGESTION. 
WELL, NOT EVEN JUST FOR THIS
APPLICATION. 
THIS ISN'T GOING AWAY
UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY
HOWEVER YOU FEEL ABOUT THESE
FACILITIES UNFORTUNATELY OR
FORTUNATELY THE BOARD IS HAVE
SPOKEN AND NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL
WITH THE CONSEQUENCES IN
THE CITY GLOBAL THERE'S GOING
TO BE DEALING WITH SOME OF IT
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR
US TO ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF A
STANDARD ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE
REALLY ISN'T A NATIONAL
STANDARD THAT USED TO BE LIKE
OH WOULD SEPTEMBER 24TH WORK
FOR YOUR CLIENT?
>> CAN YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE
?
OK, IS THE ANSWER. 
>> OKAY. 
IT WAS WONDER IS THAT SOMETHING
IN YOU KNOW THIS IS A PET PEEVE
OF MINE AS YOU KNOW, MR. DIRK, 
YOU'VE BEEN BEFORE US AND
YOU'VE DONE SOME GREAT WORK FOR
THE CITY OF BALL AND PIER. 
>> WELL, I REALLY TAKE
EXCEPTION WITH TRAFFIC REPORTS
,TRAFFIC STUDIES BEING
PRESENTED THE DAY BEFORE AND
HEARING THAT DOES NOT SIT WELL
WITH ME.
IT NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL. 
SO IS THERE GOING TO BE
APPROPRIATE TIME FOR YOU TO
COMMUNICATE WITH THE OTHER
TRAFFIC ENGINEERS?
IT ABSOLUTELY IS. 
I WOULD MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO
YOU MUST'VE SHUT YOU KNOW, I'M
CONSISTENT WITH THAT, MR. DEREK
.
>> RIGHT. 
YOU'VE YOU'VE YOU STOOD THERE
AND HEARD ME SAY THE SAME THING
TO OTHER TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
NO, ABSOLUTELY. 
>> NOR DO I APPRECIATE
RECEIVING THINGS THE NIGHT
BEFORE A HEARING AS WELL. 
SO I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU
AND I AGREE WITH MR. CRAM AS
WELL IN TERMS OF TRYING TO
REACT TO SOMETHING THAT YOU
JUST RECEIVED BECAUSE I'M SURE
HE HAS OTHER THINGS TO DO
DURING THE WORKDAY THAN TRY TO
REVIEW, YOU KNOW, A LETTER THAT
COMES LAST MINUTE FOR HIM AS
WELL.
SO I WILL MAKE THAT COMMITMENT
TO YOU THAT ANYTHING I SUBMIT
THAT IS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
WILL BE PROVIDED AT LEAST A
WEEK IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
GOOD. 
THANK YOU. 
IN THAT CASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, 
AGAIN I MAKE THE MOTION TO
CONTINUE THE MATTER UNTIL
THE SEPTEMBER 24TH MEETING
MOTIONS MADE.
>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND TAKE ON
MR. MALVO?
THAT NEPHEW MISS MALVERN
SECONDARY AT A YEAH I'LL BOTTOM
ON THAT MEMBERS IN FAVOR SAY I
.
I CHAIRMAN TEND TO VOTE YES AND
ANY OPPOSITION HEARING NONE.
WE WE ARE CONTINUED AT THE 2010
PRESENTATION AND WE BE MOVING
ALONG THE LACHLAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALL FOR
YOUR INPUT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
TIME. 
THANK YOU. 
THANK YOU.
AND LISTENING GIVE US LIKE TWO
MINUTES.
HE HAD TO PUT MY PAPERWORK BACK
IN ORDER FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WHAT'S THE NEXT AGENDA MEETING
?
OKAY.
MOVING ALONG ON THE AGENDA. 
THE NEXT MATTER ON OUR AGENDA
IS A SPECIAL PERMIT.
WELL, FOR ONE FOR BROADWAY
STREET FIFTY ONE DAY AT FIFTY
FIVE WALLY STREET MY WALK IS
SEEKING SPECIAL PERMANENT
APPROVAL TO CONVERT THE ABOVE
ADDRESS INTO A THREE FAMILY
HOME AND CONSTRUCT THREE
TOWNHOUSES AT THE ABOVE ADDRESS
ON FIFTY ONE FIFTY FIVE REALLY
SEE THE PROPERTIES ARE AN URBAN
MIXED USE THE ONLY DISTRICT ANY
USE REQUIRES A SPECIAL
PERMANENT POOL UNDER SECTION
TWELVE POINT ONE C IN ANY
ABILITY REQUIRED BY THE LOCAL
ZONING WITNESS AND WE HEAR ON
THE APPLICANT PLATE. 
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
KEVIN MURPHY I REPRESENT RYAN
RIGHT THE PETITIONER AND IN
THIS MATTER WE ARE SEEKING
SPECIAL PERMITS AS YOU SAID TO
MAINTAIN THE EXISTING THREE
FAMILY AT 414 BROADWAY STREET
AND ON AN ADJACENT PLOT
CONSTRUCT THREE TOWNHOUSES WE
HAVE PREVIOUSLY APPEARED BEFORE
THE LOCAL ZONING BOARD OF
APPEALS SEEKING VARIANCES
RELATIVE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT
FOR FRONTAGE AND FOR PARKING
REQUIRED. 
AND WE HAVE RE. 
WE HAVE RECEIVED THOSE
APPROVALS BY THE ZONING BOARD
OF APPEALS AND THEY HAVE
ATTACHED CERTAIN CONDITIONS TO
THAT APPROVAL THAT WE OPERATED
INTO THE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN
UPDATED AND SUBMITTED TO
THE PLANNING BOARD FOR YOUR
APPROVAL THIS EVENING. 
OUR ENGINEER IS AVAILABLE HERE
THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS ANY
DETAILED ASPECTS BUT I WOULD
JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE
OF SALIENT POINTS THAT I THINK
RELATE TO THIS PROJECT.
FIRST OF ALL, PRIOR TO THE THIS
DEVELOPMENT IT WAS NO OFF
STREET PARKING RELATIVE TO 414
BROADWAY STREET.
NOW AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT
WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING 5
OFF STREET PARKING SPACES
RELATIVE TO 414 BROADWAY STREET
IN ADDITION TO THAT WITH
THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE THREE
TOWNHOUSES.
WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING
SIX OFF STREET PARKING SPOTS
FOR THOSE THREE TOWNHOUSE UNITS
.
I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GREAT
JOB IN PROVIDING OUR STREET
PARKING THAT DIDN'T EXIST PRIOR
TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE UPDATED PLAN THAT WE HAVE
PROVIDED TO YOU SHOWS THAT
THE SUGGESTIONS OF THE ZONING
BOARD OF APPEALS HAVE BEEN
INCORPORATED INTO THIS PLAN.
FIRST OF ALL THE POCKET HAS
BEEN ROTATED SO THAT IN
COMPLIANCE WITH MEMBER MEMBERS
SUGGESTIONS IS THAT THE PARKING
SPACES WOULD BE SAFER. 
THE WAY THAT WE HAVE NOW
ROTATED THEM. 
SECONDLY, THE SNOW STORAGE
ISLAND IS REMOVED AND NOW
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN
ISLAND IS GOING TO BE A STRIPED
AREA.
AND I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING
TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT THIS SNOW STORAGE REMOVAL
IS THAT THE STORM WATER
SUGGESTIONS OF OUR ENGINEER AND
THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED ALSO
BY THE CITY SHOUTS AND WE'RE
GOING TO ACCEPT THE CONDITION
THAT THE STORMWATER TEAM HAS
SUGGESTED THERE'S GOING TO BE
NO RUNOFF WHATSOEVER TO
THE ADJOINING LOT THAT MR
JUNCKER ZACH ASKED ABOUT AND
OUR ENGINEER WILL GO INTO THAT
FURTHER. 
BUT THE STORM WATER RUNOFF HAS
BEEN HAS BEEN ALLEVIATED AND IT
IS GOING TO BE NO NEGATIVE
IMPACT WHATSOEVER TO
THE ADJOINING LOT. 
AND FINALLY WE HAVE ADDED A
HANDICAPPED RAMP AND A STRIPED
CROSSWALK AT THE INTERSECTION
OF BROADWAY AND STREET WHICH
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAS
ASKED US TO MAKE PART OF OUR
DEVELOPMENT AND WE ARE GOING TO
ADD THAT HANDICAPPED RAMP AND
THE STRIPED CROSSWALK FROM
BROADWAY TO WILLIE AFTER WE
APPEARED AT THE ZONING BOARD OF
APPEALS WE APPEARED AT
THE HISTORIC BOARD AS PART OF
THIS PROCESS AND THE HISTORIC
BOARD REVIEWED OUR PROPOSAL. 
THEY HAVE MADE SEARCH CERTAIN
SUGGESTIONS TO THE CONSTRUCTION
OF THESE UNITS AND I JUST
WANTED TO POINT OUT TO
THE BOARD IS THAT THE JUST SOME
COMMENTS FROM STEVE STOLL AND
THE HISTORIC BOARD AS PART OF
OUR APPROVAL OF THIS IT IS THAT
PROBE PROPOSED PROJECT IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE REVIEW
STANDARDS OF THE AIKEN
NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT IN
PARTICULAR SECTION THREE POINT
ONE NEW CONSTRUCTION GENERAL
PRINCIPLES AND THREE POINT TWO
INFILL STRUCTURES. 
SO THE HISTORIC BOARD HAS
APPROVED OUR DESIGN OF OUR
BUILDINGS AND HAS ISSUED A
HISTORIC PERMIT FOR US TO
RECORD THE REGISTRY OF DEEDS. 
I KNOW IT WAS SENT TO JAVA
DALLAS TODAY AND IT'S ON ITS
WAY TO IN THE MAIL FOR ME TO
RECORD AT THE REGISTRY DEEDS SO
I THINK THIS IS A IS A GOOD
DEVELOPMENT. 
WE ARE PROVIDING WORE OFF OFF
STREET PARKING WHICH IS A BIG
ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT
AREA AND BASED UPON THE FACT
THAT THE ZONING BOARD OF
APPEALS HAS APPROVED
THE PROJECT AND THE HISTORIC
BOARD HAS APPROVED THIS PROJECT
,WE ARE ASKING THAT
THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUE
THE SPECIAL PERMITS SO THAT WE
CAN PROCEED WITH THIS PROPOSAL
WHICH WE THINK IS IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF THE OF THE ACRE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR ENGINEER CAN LAND HERE IS
AVAILABLE FOR ANY DETAILED
QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO
THE PROJECT AND THAT'S A BRIEF
OVERVIEW AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
HEARING ANY QUESTIONS. 
THE BOY AGRICULTURAL CAN GET TO
SPEAK OR JUST ANSWER QUICK. 
CAN YOU ARE THERE? 
I AM HERE, YES.
MR MURPHY GOOD EVENING, MR.
CHAIRMAN. 
KENNETH LAY NEAR CORNERSTONE
LAND ASSOCIATES REPRESENTING
RIGHT WORK ON THIS APPLICATION
AS WELL. 
I CAN SPEAK BRIEFLY REALLY JUST
TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT
MR. JENKINS HAD RAISED IN HIS
LETTERS REGARDING THE DRAINAGE
CONCERN WAS RAISED IN THAT
LETTER PRIMARILY JUST ABOUT ANY
ADDITIONAL STORMWATER FLOW THAT
WAS ADDED TO THE RARE PORTION
OF THE ADJACENT SITE AT 20
BROADWAY STREET. 
WE DID OUR BEST IN DESIGNING
THIS OR MR. ROURKE TO ENSURE
THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO
EXASPERATE ANY DRAINAGE
PROBLEMS FOR THE ABUTTING
PARCELS. 
IN DOING SO WE PROVIDED CURBING
ON THE REAR OF THE PARKING AREA
OR FORD 14 BROADWAY STREET
WHILE WE WERE ADDING THOSE
THREE ADDITIONAL SPACES TO
THE REAR OF THAT STRUCTURE
DRINK AS WOULD BE CAPTURED IN A
CLOSED DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT
WOULD CONSIST OF A CATCH BASIN
THAT WOULD OUTLET INTO AN
UNDERGROUND DETENTION RETENTION
FACILITY THAT WOULD INFILTRATE
INTO THE GROUND.
I BELIEVE THAT WE DESIGNED THAT
FOR A MEASURE OF A TWENTY FIVE
YEAR STORM.
THE CITY REVIEW ASKED FOR A
FIVE YEAR STORM RETENTION AND I
BELIEVE THAT WE HAD AN OVERFLOW
TO THAT SYSTEM GOING OVER INTO
420 20 BROADWAY STREET THAT
WOULD HAVE ONLY ACTUALLY PLACED
FLOW INTO THAT REAR YARD ON A
50 YEAR OR A 100 YEAR STORM
EVENT UPON REVIEW BY THE CITY, 
A LOCAL STORMWATER TEAM. 
THEY HAD SUGGESTED AND I LOOK
CONSIDERABLY FAVORABLE UPON
THIS SUGGESTION THAT WE WOULD
TIE THAT OVERFLOW INTO THE CITY
DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT EXISTS ON
STREET AND YOU CAN SEE THAT
CATCH BASIN ON THE SITE PLAN
RIGHT TO THE NORTH EAST CLOSEST
TO THE INTERSECTION OF WIBBLY
AND BROADWAY. 
WE ACTUALLY HAD A STIPULATION
IN THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
APPROVAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE US
TO REPAIR SOME AREAS ALONG THAT
SIDEWALK, TAKE OUT SOME
VERTICAL GRANITE CURVING AND
ADD SOME ENTRANCE AWFUL ST. 
AND WHILE DOING THAT WORK I
THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY SIMPLE
FOR US TO REDIRECT THE OVERFLOW
WHICH WAS SHOWN ORIGINALLY
GOING TO THE REAR YARD OR 20
BROADWAY STREET OVER INTO THAT
EXISTING CATCH BASIN.
SO I WAS GLAD TO RECEIVE THAT
REVIEW FROM THE CITY.
I HOPE THAT MR. JUNKETS IS
SATISFIED WITH US COORDINATING
WITH THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT
THERE WILL BE NO I MEAN
PRIMARILY AT THIS POINT THERE
WILL BE ALMOST A ZERO RUNOFF
INTO THE REAR YARD OF
THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AT 420
BROADWAY STREET. 
IN ADDITION, AS ATTORNEY MURPHY
HAD POINTED OUT, I JUST WANTED
TO RAISE ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM
THE PROPERTY TRAFFIC FLOW WILL
BE ENTERING ON STREET AND
EXITING ONTO BROADWAY STREET. 
SO THAT IS GONNA BE A ONE WAY
TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT WOULD
ALLOW ACCESS TO THE THREE UNITS
THE NEW CONDOMINIUMS AS WELL AS
TO THE FIVE SPACES THAT ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH THE ON OFF
STREET PARKING FOR 14 BROADWAY
STREETS, THREE UNIT BUILDING. 
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHED SOME
LIGHT ON THAT DRAINAGE ASPECT I
THINK. 
MR. MURPHY HAD ADDRESSED ALL
THE OTHER ITEMS I'D BE GLAD TO
ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS
AT THIS TIME.
MR. LIMIT, COULD YOU JUST GO
OVER HOW YOU CHANGE THE PARKING
PLANS AS NBA PLAYERS HAVE
SUBMITTED? 
>> ABSOLUTELY. 
>> SO ORIGINALLY ON THESE NBA
PLANS, THE PARKING FOR THE AREA
TO THE REAR OF 414 BROADWAY
STREET WAS ACTUALLY GOING NORTH
SOUTH AND IT WAS TUCKED IN
CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY TO
THE REAR AT FIFTY NINE SIX
SIXTY ONE WILLIE STREET. 
THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A
CONCERN THERE ABOUT VEHICLES
BACKING UP WITH THE POTENTIAL
OF HITTING THE DECK AREA.
SO WHAT WE DID AS A SUGGESTION
OF MR. MCCARTHY ON THE ZONING
BOARD OF APPEALS AS WE ROTATED
THOSE SPACES SO THAT THEY'RE AT
AN ANGLE AND THEY'RE FACING NOW
THE SIDE YARD OR TO THE WEST OF
THE PROPERTY AT FOR 20 BROADWAY
STREET AND THAT AREA WOULD THEN
ALLOW THESE VEHICLES TO BACK UP
INTO THE ONE WAY FILE AND EXIT
OUT ON BROADWAY.
IN ADDITION, ANOTHER SUGGESTION
BY MR. MCCARTHY WAS TO REMOVE
THE ORIGINAL ISLAND FOR SNOW
STORAGE ADJACENT TO THE FIFTY
NINE SIXTY ONE SOUTHERN
PROPERTY AND JUST STRIKE THAT
AREA TO WHICH GIVES THOSE THREE
SPACES SOME ADDITIONAL ROOM TO
JUST BACK OUT OF THAT WITHOUT
HAVING TO BE MANEUVERING TO
TIGHTLY IN THAT PARKING AREA. 
SO THAT WAS REALLY THE CHANGE
THAT WAS MODIFIED.
AND WE ALSO INSTALLED SOME
CONCRETE BOLLARDS ALONG
THE EXISTING DECK AND STAIRWELL
FOR THE EGRESS TO THAT THREE
UNIT BUILDING TO ENSURE SOME
ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS TO
ENSURE THAT THERE WAS NO
REMOVAL. 
THAT DECK SYSTEM COULD KEEP
THAT LIFE SAFETY AVAILABLE THAT
STRUCTURE.
THANK YOU.
ABSOLUTELY. 
>> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM
THE APPLICANT BEFORE TO TURN IT
OVER TO THE PUBLIC? 
NOTE THAT'S. 
THAT'S EXCELLENT. 
OK.
THANK YOU, COUNSEL.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME I'LL TURN
IT OVER TO ANYBODY WHO WOULD
LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS
BUDGET. 
ANYBODY IN FAVOR, IN FAVOR, IN
FAVOR GIVING THEN ANYBODY IN A
POSITION THAT THEY WILL LET OUT
?
OH, I. 
HOW ARE YOU DOING? 
GOOD DAY. 
HOW DO YOU TONIGHT TABLE THAT
I'M TALKING IS BETTER THAN
THE FOUNDER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
GROUP ACTION. 
I LIVE AT 113 CABBAGE TREE AND
THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE IS
JUST BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD
HAD SOME CONCERNS AND I SEE
THAT SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN
ADDRESSED AND I KNOW THAT
THE INTEREST STILL OUT THERE IS
ZONING MEETING I TO.
SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED THAT
THEY NEIGHBORHOOD APPROVAL AND
I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY HAD
TALKED TO BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS
CAME UP TO ME AFTER THAT BUT
SAID IN NEXT BE ABOUT I DON'T
EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
SO I HAVE NO NEIGHBORHOOD
APPROVAL THAT I KNOW OF IN MR.
HENG AND THE OTHER BODIES ARE
ALL COMING IN.
THEY'LL PROBABLY BE TALKING
TONIGHT. 
SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY
I'M HERE IS JUST TO JUST PARK
UNTIL THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M NOT AN APPROVAL TO
THE CONCERNS OF THAT. 
THANK YOU. 
WE'RE GOING TO THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? 
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.
YES, SIR. 
MY NAME IS JAY LEE AND I AM ON
THE BOARD OF THE COMMON GROUND
DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. 
I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING
THE BOARD AND AND THE COMMON
GROUND A BUTTER TO THIS
PROPOSED PROJECT.
ALSO ON THIS RESUME BALL
TONIGHT IS MR. BILL LIPSCHITZ
IS THE DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE
OPERATIONS FOR COMMON GROUND
AND UNFORTUNATELY MR. JENKINS
WHO WAS REFERRED TO A COUPLE OF
TIMES TODAY.
WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF REAL
ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMON
GROUND. 
IS THAT ANOTHER PLANNING BOARD
MEETING AND HE WAS UNABLE TO
MAKE THIS PARTICULAR MEETING. 
AND SO I'VE ENDED UP WITH DREW
THE SHORT STRAW YESTERDAY TO
SPEAK WELL, WE DO HAVE
THE JACKET AS THE US SO THEY
ARE IN IT IN THE RECORD.
OK. 
SO THAT METHOD THAT'S GREAT.
THAT'S GOOD.
DON'T GO IN AS AN EXHIBIT AS
WELL.
YES. 
THANK YOU. 
ANYWAY, I WANT COMMON IS DOWN
HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION NECESSARILY TO
THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF
THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
ANYTHING OF THAT SORT.
JUST TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS
HERE. 
NOW WHEN I HEARD ATTORNEY
MURPHY EARLY TALK ABOUT
THE CREATION OF ESSENTIALLY 11
NEW SPACES FIVE FOR THE 414
SPACE, SIX FOR THE WITH THE NEW
CONSTRUCTION, THE THREE
TOWNHOUSES AND THE ELEVEN NEW
SPECIES IN THE BACK OF THE INTO
RESIDENCES HERE WITH
THE CREATION OF A BYE BYE OUR
ROUGH CALCULATION SIX SEVEN
THOUSAND ADDITIONAL SQUARE OF
INAPPROPRIATE SURFACE HERE
THE CONCERN IS OBVIOUSLY
THE DRAINAGE AS WAS POINTED
EARLIER THE QUESTION ABOUT
ABOUT THE DRAINAGE PLAN I DO
UNDERSTAND THAT CURBING IS
PROPOSED. 
I'M NOT SURE HOW TALL
THE CURBING IS THAT IS PROPOSED
.
I KNOW THERE'S SORT OF SOME
BROKEN DOWN AREAS IN THAT IN
THAT PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN 14
AND 420 THE COMMON GROUND
PROPERTY THERE'S A TREE THAT'S
ACTUALLY GROWN IN THE MIDDLE OF
SOME FENCING.
SO SO THEY TO.
HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE
ADDRESSED.
YOU KNOW THE BORDER I MEAN IT
REALLY IS MAYBE ABOUT A TWO
FOOT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO
BUILDINGS.
BUTTERS, THERE ARE ALSO SOME
CONCERNS ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF
ONLY ONE CACHE BASED IN
SERVICING THIS ENTIRE AREA
THAT'S GOING TO CAPTURE ALL OF
WATERFALL. 
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER
HAS BEEN SUBMITTED WE HAVE A
DROP ACCORDING TO THESE PLANS
OF FIFTY FIVE FEET AT
THE NORTHEAST CORNER DOWN TO
FIFTY TWO FEET WHERE
THE PROPERTIES INTERSECT AND
THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG DROP
THREE FOOT DROP IS COMING DOWN
TO THE CORNER AND IT APPEARS
THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE OVERFLOW
CASH PATIENTS TO PROPOSE THAT'S
GONNA RUN INTO THE UNDERGROUND
CELL HERE. 
AND SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT
THE ADEQUACY OF THAT AND
WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY
ENGINEER OR THIRD PARTY
ENGINEER HAS REVIEWED
THE PROPOSED ENGINEERING
DRAWINGS TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT
THE PLAN AS PROPOSED IS
ADEQUATE TO CAPTURE THE WATER
WITH THE PARAMETERS THAT ARE
THAT ARE REQUIRED HERE. 
AND THEN THE LAST THING I GUESS
WOULD BE THE SNOW.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE
OF SNOW STORAGE AREAS PROPOSED
WITH ELEVEN SPACES BACK THERE
AND ELEVEN CARS POTENTIALLY AND
TWO AREAS ABOUT 700 SQUARE FEET
TOTAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S
ADEQUATE.
MR. CHAIRMAN AND THERE AGAIN I
WOULD I WOULD INVITE THE CITY'S
ENGINEER AND CITY'S DEPARTMENT
TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER
OR NOT THERE'S A BACKUP PLAN, 
AN OFF SITE, A SNOW REMOVAL
AREA THAT THAT'S POTENTIALLY A
PLAN B IN THE EVENT A LARGE
MORE THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY OUR
THOUGHTS IN ADDITION TO WHAT
MR. JENKINS HAS SUBMITTED A
COUPLE OF EMAILS I WOULD ASK TO
THE BOARD TO CONSIDER MY
CONCERNS OR OUR CONCERNS AS
WELL AS THOSE RAISED IN
THE EMAILS. 
THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU.
CAN CAN CAN YOU READ ON TO MR.
LEE'S QUESTIONS? 
WE GOT THE DRAINAGE PLAN AND
THE CATCH PATIENT IN THE SNOW
OFF SITE IF NEED BE. 
ABSOLUTELY.
MR. LEE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
QUESTIONS.
I APPRECIATE IT. 
AND THE CURBING AT THAT
LOCATION WOULD BE 6 INCH
CURBING AND THE ONE CATCH BASIN
IN THAT CORNER COLLECTING IN
YOUR ESTIMATION SIX THOUSAND
SQUARE FEET IS SUFFICIENT FOR
COLLECTION OF STORMWATER UP TO
A TWENTY FIVE YEAR STORM EVENT
.
THAT IS A LESS THAN 2 CUBIC
FEET PER SECOND OF STORMWATER
FLOW ENTERING INTO THAT CATCH
BASIN.
SO ENGINEERING WISE IT IS SIZED
APPROPRIATELY AS WAS REQUIRED
BY THE CITY OF LOWELL. 
THEY HAD REQUESTED UP TO ONLY
HANDLE A FIVE YEAR TWENTY FOUR
HOUR STORM EVENT WE'VE ACTUALLY
DESIGNED THIS SYSTEM WAS
THE LEAD TO HANDLE UP TO A
TWENTY FIVE YEAR 24 HOUR STORM
EVENT ON SITE WITHOUT ANY
OVERFLOW ONTO YOUR PROPERTY AS
WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HEARD
MY PREVIOUS STATEMENTS BUT
THE CITY OF LITTLE STORMWATER
TEAM DID IN FACT REVIEW
THE DRAINAGE WAS ACCOMMODATING
TO THE DESIGN AT A TWENTY FIVE
YEAR STORM EVENT.
BUT IN AN EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT
WE DIDN'T PLACE ANY ADDITIONAL
BURDEN ONTO YOUR PROPERTY IN
THE LARGER STORM EVENT THEY'VE
SUGGESTED TO ALLOW US TO TIE
INTO THE CATCH BASINS ON
STREET.
SO THERE WILL BE IN MY
ESTIMATION ALMOST NO FLOW IN
ANY STORM WATER RAIN EVENT ONTO
YOUR PROPERTY FROM THIS
PROPERTY.
REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF
THE AMOUNT PAVEMENT THAT'S
BEING INSTALLED FOR THE ABOVE
GROUND PARKING AREA IN ADDITION
TO THAT YOU DID BRING UP TREES.
SO THERE IS THAT TREE I'VE BEEN
OUT THERE.
I'VE SURVEYED THE TREE.
IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE
WORKED AROUND. 
I DON'T THINK IT'S
THE INTENTION OF THE APPLICANT
TO DIG TREE OUT BUT I'M SURE
THAT BETWEEN YOU AND THE APP
CAN IF THAT TREE WAS REQUESTED
TO BE REMOVED, MAYBE THAT COULD
BE SOMETHING THAT'S WORKED OUT
BETWEEN TWO OF YOU FOLKS. 
ULTIMATELY THE RATING ON
THE SITE IN THE PROPOSED
CONDITION WORKS FROM STREET TO
THE CATCH BASS IN THE REAR OF
THE STRUCTURE AT 4 14.
AND THAT ACTUALLY HAS RAISED
THAT UP TO AN ELEVATION OF
FIFTY THREE. 
SO THERE IS ABOUT AN EXTRA FOOT
ADDED ON THAT REAR AREA THAT
WOULD HAVE TO BE GRADED DOWN
YOUR SITE.
BUT AGAIN AS I HAD STATED,
WE'RE PUTTING IN A SIX INCH
CURB ALONG THAT WHOLE LENGTH OF
THAT PARKING AREA ADJACENT TO
YOUR PARCEL AS WELL AS ADJACENT
TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING
BUILDING AT 414 AS I DIDN'T
WANT IT TO BE ANY WATER DAMAGE
TO ANY OF THE EXISTING DECK
WHERE ON THE BACK OF IT 414
BROADWAY STREET OR ANY OF
THE DRAINAGE TRYING TO SNEAK
ITS WAY BETWEEN THOSE TWO
EXISTING BUILDING.
SO WE'VE CAPTURED ALL THAT
THE OVERFLOW FOR THAT SYSTEM
AGAIN WILL BE REROUTED FROM
THE REAR OF YOUR PARCEL INTO
THE EXISTING CATCH BASIN ON
STREET.
SNOW REMOVAL YOU KNOW I THINK
IT'S A CONGESTED AREA. 
IT'S A IT'S A TIGHT SPOT FOR
EVERYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD
.
ULTIMATELY REGULAR STORM EVENTS
WOULD UTILIZE THE SNOW STORAGE
AREAS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WOULD
HAVE TO BE A CONDO ASSOCIATION
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAVE A
SNOW PLOWING CONTRACT THAT
WOULD ALSO BE OUTLINED IN THAT
SNOW PLOWING CONTRACT. 
AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE JUST AS
ALL THE REST OF THESE DENSELY
POPULATED PROPERTIES IN
THE AREA LARGE SNOW STORM EVENT
,ANYTHING OVER A FOOT AND A
HALF TWO FEET OF SNOW WOULD
OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE
ALL THE MATERIAL OF SNOW
REMOVED FROM THE SITE BE SOME
TRUCKING. 
SO ULTIMATELY THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE WOULD LOOK INTO IN
THE CONDOMINIUM. 
WELL, AND I HOPE THAT AND I
THINK THAT'S ALL THE ITEMS YOU
BROUGHT BELIEVE.
BUT IF IF I MISSED SOMETHING,
PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK ONE
FOLLOW QUESTION TO YOU IF YOU
MAY?
>> MR. LEE, THANK YOU.
MR. LANIER, JUST ONE QUESTION
AS TO THE THREATS TO THE SORT
OF THE EASTERN SIDE OF
THE PROJECT ALONG STREET.
I DO SEE THE DRAINAGE AND
GRADING PLAN THAT THE ELEVATION
ON THE STREET IS THE SAME AS
THE ELEVATION IN THE UPPER SORT
OF NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT
.
AND MY QUESTION IS WHAT
THE RAIN AND STORMWATER RUNOFF
FROM THE STREET ALSO COME ONTO
THE PROPERTY OR DO YOU PROPOSE
ANY KIND CURBING ALONG
THE PROPERTY LOT LINE THERE? 
SHOULD THAT BE WATER DOESN'T
FLOW RIGHT INTO THE DRIVEWAY
AND DOWN INTO THAT SAME PIECE? 
YEP.
>> SO THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB
LINE ALONG STREET DAM IS
THE LEAD THAT WE ARE GOING TO
BE MODIFYING AND TAKING SOME
VERTICAL GRANITE CURVING OUT
INSTALLING SOME VERTICAL
GRANITE CURVING SO WE CAN FOUND
OUR ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY
SUFFICIENTLY AND IN DOING SO
WE'RE CREATING A BERM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A HARD TO
TELL ON THE DRAINAGE PLAN BUT
ULTIMATELY WE HAVE A FIFTY FIVE
CONTOUR RIGHT JUST ON
THE INSIDE OF THE CURVING AND
AN EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT'S
THERE.
AND JUST ON THE OUTSIDE INTO
THE ROADWAY YOU CAN SEE THAT
THERE'S A FIFTY FIVE CONCOURSE.
SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING THERE
IS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A SMALL
BERM. 
SO PRETTY MUCH THE SIDEWALK
AREA BETWEEN THOSE CONTOURS
WOULD BE FIFTY FIVE POINT FIVE
.
LET'S CALL IT SO THAT ANY OF
THE ROADWAY DRAINAGE WOULD JUST
STAY ON THE GUTTER OF THE ROAD
LINE AND INTO THAT CATCH BASS
AND THAT ACTUALLY HAS A ROOM
ELEVATION OF FIFTY FOUR POINT
FIFTY EIGHT. 
SO THE ROADWAY DRAINAGE IS
INTENDED TO STAY IN THE ROAD
AND THE DRIVEWAY DRAINAGE IS
INTENDED TO STAY IN
THE DRIVEWAY AND HIT THAT CATCH
BASS AND WHICH HAS A ROOM OF
FIFTY.
BUT THANK YOU. 
>> YES, SIR. 
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN
OPPOSITION? 
THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE?
YES. 
FLORIDA STATE YOU NAME IT.
BECAUSE IF I COULD PLEASE, SIR
.
YES.
MY NAME IS ANNABELLE SWANTON IS
I LIVE A 50 YEAR WHICH IS
PRETTY MUCH RIGHT ACROSS
THE STREET FROM THIS FALLS.
ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT AGAINST
ANYTHING GOING THAT I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING GO THERE.
IT'S A BIG EMPTY LOT. 
IT'S JUST A BIG PROPERTY GOING
UP THERE. 
LIKE I SAID, MY BIGGEST
CONCERNS. 
PARKING.
I KNOW YOU GUYS SAYING 11:00
BUT NO COMES NO TIME.
IT'S DOWN TO 10 MAYBE NINE
PEOPLE OUT OF FIVE ON
THE STREET WHICH ARE GOING TO
TAKE BACKING AWAY FROM
EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE AREA.
SECOND CONCERN BEING IS TRASH
REMOVED?
IS IT GOING TO BE A DUMPSTER?
IS IT GOING TO BE PUBLIC?
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK
BARRELS IF IT IS PUBLIC AND
THEN A COUPLE DAYS OBVIOUSLY
PEOPLE GET TO PARK ON
THE STREETS OR THEY MIGHT BE
BLOCKED. 
HOW IS THAT GONNA BE ADDRESSED?
ANOTHER PROBLEM IS A FEW YEARS
BACK THEY WERE GOING TO PUT A
POLE IN FRONT MY HOUSE WHICH I
WENT TO A MEETING AND IT WAS
TURNED DOWN WHICH I WAS HAPPY
ABOVE REGARDING POWERPOINT THIS
AREA ATTRACTS LIKE OUR HAS
ANYBODY LOOKED INTO THAT AND
ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE? 
AND I WANT TO SAY THAT'S
PROBABLY ABOUT IT. 
I MEAN POCKET IS THE BIGGEST OF
EVERYTHING IN THE AREA. 
I MEAN THERE'S A BUNCH OF
BUSINESSES IN THE AREA NOW AND
EVERYBODY USES STREET PARKING. 
I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO KIND
OF SCREW THINGS UP AROUND HERE
EVEN MORE THAN WHAT THEY
ESPECIALLY AROUND
THE WINTERTIME WHERE EVERYBODY
SCAVENGING FOR PARKING AND
LOOKING FOR STUFF. 
SO THOSE ARE MY BIGGEST
CONCERNS AND I'VE BEEN A
RESIDENT IN THE AREA FOR ABOUT
30 YEARS PLUS ON MY HOME FOR
ABOUT TWENTY SEVEN.
SO YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'M
NOT AGAINST SOMETHING GOING
THERE.
I JUST WANT SOMETHING.
THAT'S RIGHT.
AND I FEEL THIS BUDGET'S JUST A
LITTLE TOO BIG. 
WELL, WHAT'S THERE? 
WE'RE SO WE'RE JUST MAYBE BUILT
TO ASSESS NOT FINANCIALLY
FEASIBLE TO THE OWNER OF
THE BUILDING OR WHERE HE WANTS
TO BUILD. 
BUT YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY OUR YOU
GUYS COME UP WITH A GOOD
DECISION AND BENEFITS US
EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU, PETER.
QUICKLY ON THE TRASH REMOVAL
PLACE. 
ABSOLUTELY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AS WE DID IN THE ZONING BOARD
OF APPEALS MEETING, WE
EXPRESSED THAT THE TRASH WILL
BE THE BARREL STYLE PICK
BARRELS WILL BE PUT OUT TO
THE RIGHT OF 414 BROADWAY
STREET AND TO THE LEFT OF UNIT
ONE FOR THE CONDOMINIUMS ON
TRASH DAY PICKUP. 
AND WE ARE PROPOSING THAT
THE CONDOMINIUM DOCUMENTS WILL
REQUIRE THAT ALL RESIDENTS IN
BOTH STRUCTURES BE AT THE NEW
CONDOMINIUM UNITS OR
THE EXISTING THREE UNIT
BUILDING STORE ALL BARRELS
INSIDE AFTER COLLECTION. 
>> IN ADDITION FOR THE POWER
CONCERN, MR. ROARK HAS ALREADY
UPDATED THE POWER FROM
THE EXISTING BOWL ON BROADWAY
STREET FOR THE THREE UNIT
BUILDING AT 414 BROADWAY STREET
AND IN DOING SO WAS TOLD THAT
THERE IS SUFFICIENT POWER FOR
THE CONDOMINIUMS FROM THAT SAME
POLL LOCATION MR. THANK YOU. 
>> ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK?
YESTERDAY THE SOONEST TO SEE
TWO OF THE THREE IN THE AREA
AND LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AND
THE HISTORY THAT I REMEMBER
WHEN IT BEGAN THAT WAS THERE IT
WAS VACANT BREAK DOWN THE JUNE
THE 78 AND IN ESSENCE I SAW IN
A SATURDAY NIGHT BURN AND
THE PERSON WHO OWNED THE THREE
FAMILY WOUND UP BUYING THAT IT
CAN WHAT SO TECHNICALLY YOU
CAN'T REALLY SAY THE THREE
FAMILY HAD NO POCKET AT WHAT
WAS THEIR POCKET SO THEY
POCKET.
>> THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS EVERYBODY
DOING POCKET BUT THEY PROBABLY
COULD HAVE PUT TEN CARS IF THEY
NEEDED TO. 
SO THAT WAS NOT A PROBLEM WITH
THE PEOPLE NOT BE FAMILY HOUSE.
NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE PARK AND
BECAUSE THAT LOT WAS THE PARK
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A DIFFERENT
ADDRESS IT WAS STILL THE SAME
OWNER. 
I DON'T KNOW. 
I GOT A NOTICE FOR THIS FOR
THIS MEETING COUPLE OF WEEKS
AGO WHEN THEY HAD THE ONE BACK
IN JUNE.
I DIDN'T GET A NOTICE ON IT FOR
JUNE 22ND. 
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE
IS FOR IT.
I DIDN'T GET A CARD. 
MY NEIGHBOR HAD TOLD ME ABOUT
THE MEETING AND THEN DO THEY
PUBLISH AFTERWARDS IN
THE NEWSPAPER?
WHEN WHEN THE MEETING IS IN
TODAY IS THAT IS THAT
THE PROTOCOL? 
HOW DOES IT WORK? 
>> YES.
I'LL LET YOU HAVE IT OUT.
WELL, I NOT LIKE TO SIGN UP BUT
DOES GO ON THE PAPER.
IT DOES GO TO MEDIA BUT IT'S
NOT THE ONE IN JUNE. 
I LIKE A COUPLE OF PLANNING
BOARD MEETING SO I KNOW I'M
SORRY.
>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS A MOVE
APPEALS.
OH OK.
OK. 
OK.
BECAUSE I KNOW THIS ONE HAS
BEEN IN THE PAPER CAUSE I SKIM
THE PAPER LOOK ABOUT MYSELF. 
IF YOU NOTICE MY NAME'S ON
THE BOARD. 
IT WAS LIKE I'D ALWAYS CATCH
THAT RIGHT. 
BUT YEAH BASICALLY YOUR BUDDY
SHOULD USUALLY GET A MAILING
LIST AS WELL AS IT USUALLY RUNS
IN THE PAPER. 
WHAT'S A JOB WITH TWO TO TWO
DIFFERENT TIMES? 
YES IT HAS TO RUN IN THE PAPER
TWICE LIKE AT A MINIMUM WITH
WHAT YOU TWICE. 
OK.
YEAH. 
YEAH IF YOU WOULD HAVE ON
THE GBI.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM BUT THIS
ONE I KNOW IT'S BEEN IN
THE PAPER AND THEN IT WAS
ADVERTISED. 
YEAH UNTIL THEN THE SHOULD HAVE
GOT A LEGAL NOTICE. 
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE EPA ABOUT
THAT.
>> YEAH WELL WE ACTUALLY HAPPEN
ONCE THE JUNE 22ND MEETING THEY
HAD A PUBLISHED IN JULY IN
THE PAPER JULY 7TH IN JULY 14. 
AFTER THE MEETING WAS OVER. 
OH THAT IS A THAT'S A PROBLEM
TO ME.
YOU KNOW ME WHEN YOU'RE HAVING
A MEETING AND I JUST FEEL
THE SAME WAY. 
IF NOT THIS BOY. 
I'M JUST MENTIONING TO IF YOU
SEE DANIEL FRUSTRATED. 
I KNOW THAT THEY PUT UP THEIR
WRITING.
IT HAS. 
THE MEETING IS BEING WEDNESDAY
INSTEAD OF THURSDAY. 
LIKE HOW DO YOU MAKE THOSE KIND
OF MISTAKES AND HOW DO YOU JUST
LOOK WEDNESDAY INSTEAD OF
THURSDAY? 
IS THAT THE SEED, THE PUBLIC OR
WHAT? 
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST MENTIONING IT.
I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS
SPORT BEFORE YOUR VERY FAIR AND
I KNOW.
I THINK IT HAD THE RIGHT DATE
THOUGH.
RIGHT. 
BUT ONE DAY AS I WHAT I WAS ON
THE SIGN.
YES. 
THAT I HAD THE DAY WRONG THEY
HAD LAST DAY THEY HAD A DATE
RIGHT?
YEAH. 
YEAH.
I HAVE A CLUE.
I KNOW YOU'RE WAITING.
OH I KNOW YOU'RE HERE FOR
THE LAST MEETING AND THAT'S
WHEN I DECIDED WASN'T
APPROPRIATE ENOUGH I BOUGHT
INTO THAT BUT IT JUST HAD
THE ADVERTISING SIDE SO THAT'S
WHY WE HAD TO CONTINUE TO
AFFECT THE NOTICE OF
THE NEIGHBORS. 
I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT AND THEN
MR. FRECHETTE ALSO TOOK A
PICTURE OF IT. 
NATURALLY NOTED THE UP AND UP
NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT.
THEY SAID THEY HAD THIS TYPED
UP IN THE PAST. 
THIS ONE JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT
THAT FOR SOME REASON. 
SO THAT'S WHY OBVIOUSLY AND I
KNOW YOU WENT ONLINE LAST TIME
FOR THE LAST MEETING. 
I SAW YOU AND DISAPPOINTING AND
I THINK I THINK WE ANSWER A
COUPLE OF GOOD QUESTIONS IF MY
MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY. 
BUT YES, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WAS CORRECTLY
DONE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE UPDATED PLAN
WITH THE MARKET. 
I JUST HAD NO ONE. 
I DIDN'T.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY GREEN
SPACES THERE.
MR. IS THERE ANY GREEN SPACE ON
THE JOB?
IS THERE ANY KIND OF GRASS
ANYWHERE? 
I'LL LET KENNY INTO THE AND YOU
WANT ANSWERED AND I GUESS
THAT'S GOT ME GOING IN AND OUT.
ABSOLUTELY. 
MR. AS HOW ARE YOU, SIR?
THERE IS GREEN SPACE PROPOSED
FOR THE PROPERTY. 
THERE'S A DECENT PORTION OF
GREEN STATE SPACE ASSOCIATED
WITH 414 BROADWAY STREET COMING
OUT OF WHERE THE BACK DECK IS
AND FOR ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 FEET
ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF
THE STRUCTURE. 
AND THEN THERE ARE TWO GREEN
SPACE ISLANDS THAT DEFINE
THE DRIVEWAYS FOR THE THREE
CONDOMINIUM UNITS ONE COMING
OUT OF UNIT ONE AND ONE COMING
UNIT TO THE REMAINDER OF
THE GREEN SPACES JUST ON
THE EDGE OF THE EXTERIOR OF
THE PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO
THE REAR PARCEL AND ALSO FOR 20
BROCKWAY STREET. 
IT'S VERY LIMITED IN SIZE.
IT'S ONLY THREE FEET IN WITH
BUT WE DO HAVE GREEN SPACE
CLOSE TO THE BUILDINGS AS BEST
WE COULD TO ENSURE THAT WE
COULD MAKE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN
AT PARKING WORK. 
WE DID REMOVE ONE ISLAND OF
GREEN SPACE AT THE REQUEST OF
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO
ALLOW FOR THE PARKING FLOW AND
ACCESS TO PARKING SPACES
THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY A MUCH
SAFER TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT WAS
ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. 
SO WE'RE FEELS ABOUT THE GREEN
SPACE GROUP BUT IT DOES MEET
THE REPORT REGULATIONS AND WILL
HOPEFULLY BEAUTIFY THE PROPERTY
A LITTLE BIT.
BOY. 
>> RIGHT. 
DO WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN OR
DO WE DON'T HAVE WHO SHOULD
ANSWER THAT QUESTION?
I'LL GET INTO THAT.
THANK YOU. 
KENNY HAS A QUESTION ABOUT
THE LANDSCAPE PLANT. 
OH, I'M SORRY I HAD IT ON MUTE.
I APOLOGIZE.
QUESTION ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE
PLAN. 
ABSOLUTELY.
SO WE PROVIDED NO REGARDING
THE LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE
PLAN BUT ULTIMATELY WITH
THE CONDITION OF THE ZONING
BOARD OF APPEALS DECISION WAS
THAT THE APPLICANT OR
CONTRACTOR BUILDING THIS WOULD
WORK WITH THE BBB PRIOR TO
OBTAINING ANY CERTIFICATE
OCCUPANCIES FOR THE UNITS OR
THE BUILDING AND PROVIDE
UPDATED PLAN AT THAT TIME TO BE
CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THE CEOS
ISSUE. 
>> IS THERE A PERCENTAGE THAT
THEY HAVE GREEN SPACES THIS
YEAR DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE A
LITTLE BIT ELIMINATED? 
WHAT'S THE NUMBER? 
I DON'T KNOW YET IN THIS
PARTICULAR THERE IS NO
REQUIREMENT FOR SPACE NOW
EITHER THAN GETTING TO
THE BARRIERS.
>> ARE THEY LOCATED A 1 3
FAMILY HOUSE TO THE LEFT OF
THE OF THE METERS THAT WHERE
THEY'RE GONNA BE THE SWAMP IS
GONNA BE TWELVE BARRELS.
THERE WERE SIX MAIN ONES AND
SIX MAROON ONES. 
ARE THOSE GOING TO BEAT UP
THE LEFT OF THE ELECTRICAL
METERS? 
NO. 
>> THAT IS CORRECT. 
YEAH.
SO TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF SO IF
I'M FACING THE REAR SO IF I'M
STANDING IN THE REAR OF
THE STRUCTURES FACING BROADWAY
STREET IT'LL BE TO THE RIGHT
SIDE OF BROADWAY STREET 414
WHERE THE ELECTRICAL METERS ARE
NOW AND THEN IT'LL BE TO
THE LEFT SIDE OF UNIT ONE. 
>> ARE THEY ALL GONNA BE LINED
UP ALL 2 0 BARRELS TOGETHER ON
THE BARRELS? 
THE BARRELS ARE GONNA BE
REQUIRED TO BE STORED INSIDE. 
THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE PUT
OUTSIDE FOR PICKUP ON ACTUAL
TRASH DAY PICKUP SO THEY WON'T
BE PROPERLY DURING THE WEEK
ONLY ONE DAY A WEEK.
>> THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.
WELL, I HAD MENTIONED WITH
THE POOL OF APPEALS THAT IF YOU
LOOKED AT ALL FOUR CORNERS OF
STREET AND BROADWAY STREET, 
THREE OUT OF THE FOUR HAVE
ANGLES ON THE CORNERS WHICH
IT'S A BAD INTERSECTION FOR
ACCIDENT AND TRAFFIC AND I KNOW
THIS ONE DIDN'T HAVE THAT I
THOUGHT TO MAKE IT LOOKS
SYMMETRICAL. 
I'D MENTIONED TO THEM THAT
MAYBE HAVE AN ANGLE ON THIS ONE
SO THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME AS SO
THEY ALL EASIER FOR VISION. 
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH
THAT WHEN I HAD TO ZOOM ON
THE BOARD OF APPEALS I GET ONE
SHOT AND I DON'T GET TO SPEAK
AFTER THAT SO I MENTIONED IT
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT BECAME. 
I ALMOST FORGET IT BUT IF I GET
CRITICIZED A LOT FOR LETTING
PEOPLE SPEAK TOO OFTEN. 
>> BUT I HAVE MANY FAULTS. 
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT GOD GAVE
US TO. 
ISN'T ONE OF THESE. 
WELL WHEN I HEAR YOU AND I'M
NOW I'M ASKING ABOUT THE ANGLES
YOU KNOW THE ANGLE ON EACH SIDE
AND THEN ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S
SQUARE. 
IT'S NOT AND I DON'T KNOW LIKE
ANY OF THE  OUT OF THAT ON
THE PLANK. 
>> SO THAT 3 UNIT STRUCTURE
THE WAY THAT THE ARCHITECT THAT
DESIGNED THAT AND WE WORKED IT
OUT WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD FOR
APPROVAL BUILDING BECAUSE THIS
IS YOU KNOW, THE ACRE HISTORIC
AREA. 
THERE IS NO PROPOSED ANGLE ON
UNIT 3 WE TRIED TO KEEP ALL
THE UNITS CONSISTENT AND IT WAS
APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC BOARD
.
SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE PLAN IS
WHAT THE PLAN IS TO CONSTRUCT. 
>> WITH THAT SAID ON. 
YES.
ALL RIGHT.
WAIT. 
THEY MENTIONED IN THE ZUNI
PEOPLES AN EPIC ATTIC SPACE
THAT YOU HAVE IN THE PLAN.
IT'S UPSTAIRS GOING TO THE TOP
FLOOR.
ON THE PLAN NOT TO BE SLEPT IN
.
RIGHT.
WHICH WE'RE GOING TO DO BED
CHECKS.
RIGHT. 
AND MY FEELING IS ALL RIGHT IS
WHAT IS HOW YOU ELIMINATE. 
I OUT THEN. 
GO OF. 
HERE'S HOW YOU ELIMINATE BAD
CHECKS AND HOW YOU ELIMINATE A
BEDROOM.
TAKE THE WINDOW OUT OF
THE ATTIC. 
THEN YOU WON'T. 
THEN YOU KNOW NO ONE'S SLEEPING
.
IF YOU ELIMINATED THE WINDOW
THEN FOR SURE.
OTHERWISE LIKE DENNIS SAID IT
WOULD BE A THREE BEDROOM
STEWART'S BIG MOVIE WHATEVER. 
IN ESSENCE IT IS A BEDROOM BUT
THEY'RE CALLING IT A FLEX ROOM
WHATEVER THAT MEANT. 
I THOUGHT I'D BE ON OFFICE OR
SOMETHING. 
THEY DESCRIBED THE WOOD AS A
FLEX ROOM SO THAT WAS A NEW ONE
TO ME.
BUT MY FEELING IS ELIMINATE
THE WINDOW. 
AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN
ISSUE. 
WHAT KIND OF IS THAT WOULD BE
MY THOUGHT.
IF THE BOY CAN CONSENT TO THAT
AND THEN YOU KNOW DOWN THE LINE
IF THEY WANT TO PUT IN A LEGAL
BEDROOM NOW WHAT THEY'LL DO IS
THEY'LL PUT THE WINDOW WEEKEND
AND WHEN YOU SEE A WINDOW UP
THERE THEN YOU KNOW IT'S A
BEDROOM. 
THAT'S THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON
THAT.
I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM
ELIMINATING THE WINDOW BUT YOU
KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE A
BEDROOM IF IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S
GOT A WINDOW IN IT AND ISN'T
GOING TO ADVERTISERS AS HAVING
IT TWO BEDROOM CONDOS.
I GUESS THE BEDROOM YOU KNOW, 
IT'S GONNA GET FINISHED
OTHERWISE BUT THEY ELIMINATE
THAT WINDOWS THAT'S SOMETHING. 
IT'S POSSIBLE.
JUST THAT WAY, YOU KNOW IT'S
NOT GOING TO BE BAD. 
NO ONE'S GOING TO SLEEP IN
THE BEDROOM WITHOUT WINDOW AND
BABY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD ANSWER
THAT.
>> I MEAN I KNOW THAT
THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH
THE HISTORIC BOARD ON THAT
SPECIFIC DESIGN.
I WASN'T AS INVOLVED WITH THAT
BUILDING REVIEW AS I WAS WITH
THE SITE PLAN DESIGN. 
SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER
THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT
THE HISTORIC BOARD ASKED FOR OR
NOT.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT IF
THE WINDOWS THERE.
IT WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT
WAS DISCUSSED STORYBOARD. 
I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE. 
MAYBE MR. LOCKHART MIGHT BE
ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT AS HE WAS
ALSO ON THE HISTORIC BOARD.
BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, I
THINK IF IT NEEDED TO BE THERE
THAT'S THE REASON IT WAS SHOT.
I'M NOT SURE. 
>> WE CAN DEAL WITH
THE CONDITION THAT WE CAN MAKE.
IT IS A POSSIBLE AS YOU KNOW
IT'S GOING TO BE A BEDROOM.
I MEAN EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS IN
THE PLAN NOT TO BE SLEPT IN, 
WHO COULD STEP IN THE PLANE
ANYWAY NOT TO BE SLEPT IN IN
PARENTHESES. 
YOU KNOW THAT MY DRAG I'M SORRY
FOR THAT AM I DRAG WEIGHS ON
ME.
>> YEAH. 
DON'T PULL THEM.
MR. LOCKE, I DO REMEMBER THIS
DOG BROUGHT UP THERE'S AN ISSUE
ON THAT WINDOW UP THERE. 
IF YOU RECALL ANYTHING I WASN'T
.
I WASN'T PRESENT AT THAT
MEETING BUT THAT WOULD HAVE
BEEN COVERED BY STEVEN WHATEVER
ARCHITECT HE HAD TO EVALUATE
THE PLANS. 
BUT HE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT
WOULD HAVE TO REALLY ANSWER. 
I DON'T KNOW THE DETAIL ON THAT
.
IS THERE A BAD REQUEST ON MY
PART TO ILLUMINATE THE WINDOW? 
>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE
A BEDROOM AND BECOMES A THREE
BEDROOM CONDO AND MORE PEOPLE
MORE.
YOU KNOW? 
YEAH, JUST A THOUGHT. 
I KNOW. 
I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE BOARD
TO THINK ABOUT IT ANYWAY. 
THANK YOU, SIR. 
APPRECIATE THAT.
YEAH, I GUESS I UNDERSTAND YOUR
CONCERN.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER
THING IS THE SIDEWALK ON
STREET.
IT'S A PRETTY TOUCHY STATE.
THEY HAVE AN AREA THAT WHEN
THAT BLOCK BUILDING BURNED DOWN
IN 78 IT WAS AN AREA ABOUT 4
FEET WIDE THAT THEY USED TO
ROLL THE BEVERAGES DOWN TO
THE CAKES DOWN THE BASEMENT AND
IT'S ALL REGULAR.
IT'S EVERYTHING I SUGGEST THEY
DID THE WHOLE SIDEWALK OVER IS
TO AT LEAST TO CURBING THEIR ON
WALL STREET.
TWENTY FOUR FEET LONG.
ONE OF THEM IS ONE'S ELEVEN
MAYBE WE GO DOWN A TWELVE POINT
FOUR FOOT ONE AND THEN
THE OTHER THE OTHER WITH A HALF
ON HALF OFF IT'S TO A SORT OF
BOTH IF WE CAN STRAIGHTEN THAT
OUT AND IT WILL BE PAID
THE SIDEWALK.
WHAT GOOD IS HAVING HANDICAPPED
IF THE PEOPLE CAN'T ROLL THAT
THAT MR. SOLIS.
JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE WHERE REID
LOCATING THE OUTLET STRUCTURE
FOR PROPOSED DRAINAGE SYSTEM
AND MY INTENTION I'LL BE NOT
SHOWN ON THE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE
THE PLANNING BOARD TODAY BUT
ULTIMATELY WILL BE A CONDITION
HOPEFULLY OF THE APPROVAL WOULD
BE THAT THIS DRAINAGE SYSTEM
WILL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING
CATCH BASIN AT THE INTERSECTION
THERE WITH THE STREET AND
BROADWAY STREET. 
SO ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD MORE
THAN LIKELY BE INSTALLED UNDER
THE SIDEWALK AREA FOR THAT
CONNECTION. 
SO IT'D BE MY BELIEF ON
THE PLAN.
I WILL NOTE THAT ANY SIDEWALK
IN THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN
THE ENTRANCE WILL BE STREET TO
THE CONNECTION OF THE CATCH
BASIN WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED
TO CITY STANDARDS THEY GAVE IT
OR WHATEVER THEY IS ABSOLUTELY
WHATEVER THIS IS WHATEVER
THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT
WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO UPON
REPLACING VERY. 
>> OKAY. 
GETTING BACK TO THE ELEVATION
OF THE REALLY BACK OF
THE BUILDING. 
THE BOTTOM PART OF THE BUILDING
RIGHT NEAR THE BACK OF 14 IS
THE OLD CHAIN LINK FENCE THERE
.
IT'S AT THE BOTTOM.
THAT ELEVATION IS 40 INCHES
DIFFERENT THAN WILLIS STREET 20
INCHES.
I'M NOT A SURVEYOR ENGINEER BUT
I MEASURED IT IN A DIFFERENT
WAY.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE PLAN TO
ELIMINATE THAT HILL?
FROM POSSIBLY THE WHY GOING TO
CPI IS PROBABLY WHAT WOULD BE
THE FOLLOWING IF YOU'RE GOING
TO PUT IT.
YOU SAID THAT RETENTION WOULD
LEAVE PROBABLY A CHAMBER OF
SOMETHING BUT YOU'RE STILL
GOING TO HAVE AN INCLINE HILL
RIGHT THE POCKET THE CARS
AREN'T GOING TO BE POPPING UP
ANYMORE.
IS THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT TONIGHT. 
>> YOU CAN'T LIKE AN ANSWER
THAT I CAN GO ANYWHERE. 
>> WE'RE GONNA BE DROPPING
THE PARKING SO I KNOW THAT
THE REAR OF THE PARKING LOOKS
PRETTY LEVEL AS IT IS NOW AND
THEN IT SHARPLY DROPS OFF DOWN
FROM PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE OLD
PROPERTY LINE WAS BETWEEN
PARCELS.
BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE
RE GRADING A LOT SO THAT WE
HAVE A CONSISTENT 2 PERCENT
FROM STREET TO THE PROPOSED
CATCH BASE IN AT THE CORNER OF
THE I GUESS WESTERNMOST SIDE
PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A 2 PERCENT
AREA.
THERE WON'T BE ANY HILL DROP IN
THAT AREA AND THE WATER WILL
FLOW INTO THAT CATCH BASIN.
AND THE REASON WE'RE ADDING
THAT FILL IS SO THAT WE CAN'T
PUT THAT UNDERGROUND SYSTEM IN
FULL DRAINAGE. 
SO IT WILL ACTUALLY APPEAR
FAIRLY FLAT 2 PERCENT IN A
PARKING AREA IS PRETTY FLAT.
SO YOU WON'T HAVE THAT HILL OR
DROP OFF AND TWO FEET OVER.
I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT NINETY
FIVE FEET FROM WILLIE STREET TO
THE CATCH BASED ON LOCATION TO
PRESUME. 
ARE YOU GOING TO RAISE THAT
MADE WITH 30 WORDS 40 INCHES
LOWER? 
IS THAT GOING TO BE RAISED WITH
THE OLD CHAIN LINK FENCES?
YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I'M DOING
THE OLD CHAIN LINK FENCE
BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN REMOVED
NOW.
RIGHT. 
SO THEY USED TO BE AN OLD CHAIN
LINK FENCE. 
IT'S GOING TWO PROPERTIES, NO
FENCES STILL THERE. 
IT'S THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN.
YEAH. 
YEAH.
>> SO THAT WENT DOWN STILL
THERE WERE NOT CHANGE IN THAT
WERE ACTS.
THAT'S ALL JUST GOING TO STAY
THAT. 
THAT'S GOOD. 
I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF
THE APPLICANT IS GONNA BE
CHANGING THAT FENCE OR NOT. 
THAT'S THE APPLICANT. 
I DIDN'T PROPOSE TO DO SO IN
THE SITE PLAN BUT ULTIMATELY
THAT CHAIN LINK FENCE THE TREE
THAT'S THERE.
THOSE WOULD REMAIN AND WE WOULD
COME THREE FEET FOR THAT
PROPERTY LINE RAISED IT UP
ABOUT ONE FOOT AND THEN PUTTING
A CURB IN THAT AREA TO COLLECT
THAT STORMWATER. 
>> SO USED TO HAVE MAYBE A
THREE FOOT HEIGHT DIFFERENCE
RIGHT BETWEEN LEGALLY SPEAKING
THERE AND MY TWO FOOT. 
YES, SIR.
TWO FOOT AGAIN. 
YEAH BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S 20
INCHES NOW BETWEEN THE BOTTOM
OF THAT AND WILL THESE VIEWS 40
INCHES. 
PLUS COMBINED WITH SHOULD I DO
WHAT I THINK I WOULD. 
>> I WOULD 100 PERCENT AGREE
WITH YOU.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SERVE A JOB,
I'D BE GLAD TO. 
YOU KNOW, I NEXT ISSUE, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
YEAH. 
THAT OLD CHAIN LINK FENCE THING
I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
IT'S ON. 
NOT 414 THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT
.
I DON'T KNOW WITH NUMBER
AGAINST IT FOR YOUR CHILDREN
SINCE WE JUST DISCUSSED.
>> YEP.
420. 
YEAH.
WHICH ONE.
>> OK GOOD. 
SOMEONE TOOK THAT FENCE WHEN
THEY GET IT MAYBE 60 YEARS AGO
BECAUSE IT'S ALL ROTTED AND
THEN IT'S ALL RUSTED AND
EVERYTHING.
SOMEBODY TOOK IT AND WENT FROM
THE CORNER FOR 20 IT JUST LINED
IT UP WITH THE TREE YOU KNOW. 
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND GET
THAT SURVEYED.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT FENCE
IS IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
IT PROBABLY ISN'T. 
I MEAN BECAUSE SOMEONE USE
THE TREE AS A POLE AND I'M SURE
60 YEARS AGO THAT TREE WAS 6
INCHES IN DIAMETER AND NOW IT'S
18 INCHES IN DIAMETER AND
THE TREE IS ACTUALLY WRAPPED
AROUND THE FENCE.
SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW LIKE I
SAID WHOSE LAND I MIGHT BE
SURVEYING. 
WHY IS IT.
IT MIGHT BE YOURS.
IT MIGHT BE MIGHT BE FOR 20S. 
I'LL KNOW. 
IT'S PROBABLY LIKE A SHADOW.
WE SURVEYED THE PROPERTY AND
NOT CHAIN LINK FENCES ONE FOOT
INTO OUR PROPERTY INTO YOUR. 
>> YES, SIR.
ALL RIGHT.
LISTEN, I'M NOT GOING TO I'M
NOT GOING TO LAST AS LONG AS
THE PREVIOUS MEETING WHICH TOOK
EVERYBODY'S TIME. 
THANK YOU, SIR. 
WELL, OKAY. 
SO THERE'LL BE NO THREE CARS IN
THE BACK LIKE WE SAW THE IMAGE.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PRESENT
PLAN. 
I WAS GOING BY THE PLAN. 
WE LOOKED AT WEEKS AGO IT IS
ONE OF A FIELD SO THERE WON'T
BE ANY CARS IN THE BACK SINCE
YOU HAVE A NEW A NEW PLANT
SETUP. 
AND I JUST WANT THE PROJECT TO
LOOK GOOD. 
YOU KNOW WHAT? 
I'M CONSTRUCTION FOR TWO YEARS.
I KNOW SOMETIMES THINGS LOOK
GOOD ON PAPER AND THEN WE BRING
EM IN THE FIELD. 
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND WHEN IT
HAPPENS IN THE FIELD SOME FORM
IT'S GOING TO MAKE A DECISION.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE
AROUND FOR LONG GIVEN THAT
DECISION BASED ON MONEY AND
SOMEONE'S GOING TO THE PEOPLE
THAT BUY THE HOUSE THEM
THE NEIGHBORS WIND UP GETTING
HURT BY IT AND THE BUILDING
LINES WHY DO I HAVE TO FIND YOU
?
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET
SOMEWHERE I WOULD LIKE TO AND
THAT WOULD BE GREAT A GREAT
PROJECT AND TREAT THREE AS LIKE
NOTHING AT ALL.
WHAT I THINK IT'S LIKE I
DESCRIBED IT AS BEING SIX
GALLONS OF WATER UNTIL FIVE
GALLON YOU KNOW AND I LOOK AT
IT LIKE I WISH TO GOODNESS WITH
IT.
I THINGS GET COMPROMISE
SOMETIMES THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING
AND IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S FAULT
NOT IN THE FIELD. 
I UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT WORKS. 
THEY HAVE TO GET THINGS DONE. 
YOU LOOK AT THIS YEAR IN
THE PLAN YOU THOUGHT YOU'D DO
IT AND YOU MAKE A DECISION ON
WHY YOU DON'T CALL THE ENGINEER
UP THE RE DRIVER BUT YOU DON'T
MAKE A BIG THING OUT OF IT. 
YOU MAKE A DECISION. 
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT TO
EVERYBODY'S ADVANTAGE I GUESS.
I'M NOT AGAINST PROGRESS. 
I'VE BEEN IN WITH THE BOARD
HERE BEFORE ON FOUR THINGS.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING
WITH THAT.
WHAT I WOULD THINK THIS WOULD
BE SOMETHING I WOULD WANT AND
LIKE MR. LENIHAN SAID IT'S NOT
CONCERN YOU WOULDN'T WANT NO
ECONOMIC GAIN. 
WELL, IF YOU WENT WITH TO YOUNG
GYM THEY WOULD STILL APPROVE A
DAY THAT STILL GOING TO STAY. 
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE.
THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT. 
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO NOT
GONNA DO THE WORK GIVING
HERSELF TO SOMEONE ELSE. 
AND IF IT WAS TWO UNITS THEY
WOULD STILL DO THAT. 
YOU KNOW YOU WOULDN'T AFFECT
THEM JUST MONEY WISE I GUESS
THE EXTRA UNIT WOULD BE BETTER
FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER TWO
YEARS.
I THINK AND I GUESS PRETTY MUCH
THAT IS. 
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PRESENT
PLANT SO IT'S HARD TO REALLY
THINK ABOUT WHAT WOULD GET
DRAWN IN.
IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS I
HAVEN'T LIKE I SAID I'D LIKE TO
HAVE THAT ATTIC WINDOW CHECKED
OUT AS A CONDITION AND MAYBE
SAY LOOK I LIKE TO BLOCK THAT
THING OFF BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S
GOING TO BE A BED AND WE'RE NOT
SELLING THAT CAUSE IT'S BEEN
BEDDING.
WE'RE SELLING IT AS A TOOL.
NO. 
AND WITH THE IT IS EVERYTHING
BUT DRYWALL DIDN'T MAKE IT A
THREESOME IF IT COULD BE DONE
ASIDE FROM THAT.
I JUST HOPE EVERYTHING WORKS
OUT WHEN THE BOY ALWAYS HAS
THESE TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE
AND YOU SAW THE LAST ONE YOU
JUST HAD YET TO CONTINUE SO YOU
MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND BE
FAIR TO EVERYBODY. 
THAT'S RIGHT. 
AND I THINK YOU WILL. 
AND LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S NOT
ON MY THANK.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
EVERY TIME I KILL ANYBODY ELSE
,I JUST THINK ANYONE ELSE
BUILT ON THE LINE CALLING IN
THE WOMAN IN WHATEVER IT IS AT
THIS POINT TIME WILL TURN OVER
THE BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONS,
COMMENTS JUST NEVER.
AND I THINK CAN I HAVE
ADDRESSED MOST OF MY CONCERN
AND I HAVE TO POINT OUT BY
POINT OUT THAT THE COMMENT
ABOUT THE THIRD BEDROOM ON
THE ON THE TOP IS THAT I TOOK A
GOOD LOOK OF THE FLOOR PLAN AND
I I AGREE THAT JUST HAVING
THE LANGUAGE NOT TO BE SLEEPING
AND PRACTICES WILL NOT KEEP
PEOPLE FROM SLEEPING IN THAT
ROOM SINCE IT IS THE BIGGEST
ACTUALLY FREE BEDROOM. 
SO I I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT
ROOM WITHOUT WINDOW. 
BUT IF WE ARE REALLY LIKE
LOOKING AT LIKE THE PARKING
REQUIREMENTS FOR TWO BEDROOM
UNIT AND ALSO ADVERTISES TO A
BEDROOM TOWNHOUSES THAT WOULD
BE A CONCERN.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
THANK YOU. 
THANK YOU. 
THANK YOU. 
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS
CHAIRMAN? 
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I'LL
LET MR. LOCKHART OFFER. 
OK, LIKE A WE GET A RESOLUTION
ON WHETHER WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE
PLAY ON AND OFF. 
>> I THINK THE QUESTION WAS
THEY HAD TO APPROVE THE CBA BUT
TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLAY IN
DEVELOPMENT. 
>> OH YEAH. 
OKAY. 
OKAY.
SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ONE. 
I DON'T IF THEY HAVE WE DON'T
HAVE ONE HERE.
ALL RIGHT. 
NOW I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER
ISSUES.
MY MAIN CONCERN WAS THE RUNOFF
INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND
I CAN COVER THAT THOROUGHLY SO
I'M SURE OTHERS PLANTED. 
I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES
RELEVANT OR ANY ADDITIONAL
QUESTIONS. 
YEAH BECAUSE WE DID RECEIVE A
REPORT TODAY MOLO REGIONAL
WASTEWATER UTILITIES MR. GRAY
OIL INDICATING WHAT THEY WANTED
DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WHAT
THE CATCH BASIS IS ENOUGH. 
BUT WHEN NO ONE OFF.
I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF
THAT CAN BE HEARD TO SPEAKING
OUT.
TURN ON THAT CAN I THINK A LOT
OF THAT WAS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE
BY MR. COYLE WAS WHAT YOU DID
SUFFICIENTLY TO COVER THOSE
CONCERNS? 
RIGHT. 
THAT IS CORRECT.
OK, YEAH. 
WELL YOU SO OBVIOUSLY CAN YOU
GOT TO BE YOU HAVE A COPY OF
THAT FROM MR. COYLE. 
YES, I DO, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND WE AGREE WITH THE CONDITION
THAT JARED HAD POINTED OUT IN
HIS DPD LETTER BASED ON
ABSOLUTELY YES.
SIR. 
OK.
THANK YOU.
THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I'M SORRY BUT FOR THIS IS
MEMBER GALLIGAN. 
I AGREE WITH KAYLA'S COMMENT.
I'M A LITTLE BIT JUST THAT A
LITTLE BIT OF A LOSS OF HOW
WE'RE NOT CALLING THAT THIRD
STORY A BEDROOM THAT DOESN'T
ONLY HAVE ONE WINDOW THERE'S A
DORM WERE THERE TOO.
SO IT HAS FULLY THREE WINDOWS
IN THAT SPACE. 
I AGREE. 
I'M SURPRISED THAT IT'S NOT
CONSIDERED A BEDROOM BECAUSE
THAT WOULD ALSO IMPACT
THE PARKING. 
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT I
DO I DO THINK IT'S A NICE
PROJECT AND I THINK IT'S AN
IMPROVEMENT TO THE SITE AND
GOOD FOR THE SITE AND GOOD FOR
THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. 
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
THOUGHTFUL RESPONSE BOTH FROM
THE APPLICANT AND ALSO
THE NEIGHBORS. 
I APPRECIATE ALL THE THINGS
THAT THE NEIGHBORS BROUGHT UP
THAT WE'VE GOT TO DISCUSS TODAY
.
THE ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO
ADD WAS I'M ALSO A LITTLE
DISAPPOINTED THAT I THINK THAT
THE FRONT ELEVATION IS A REALLY
NICE ELEVATION.
IT'S PROPORTIONATE AND THEN
THERE'S THINGS THAT KILL IT FOR
THE SIDE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY
LIKE A THREE STORY TALL EVEN
THOUGH THERE'S ONLY TWO YOU
KNOW, TWO LIVING FLOORS AND
THREE AND A HALF STOREY TALL
BUILDING. 
I THINK THAT'S AN ELEVATION TO
PROPORTION. 
WELL AND SCALED. 
RIGHT.
I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT
.
I JUST WANT TO GO OUT ON
THE RECORD THAT IN THE REVIEW
OF THE EPA AND THE VIEW OF
THE BOARD THAT THERE WEREN'T
MORE ELEMENTS ON THE THREE
ELEVATIONS BOTH ON BROADWAY
THREE AND THREE FEET TO REALLY
SCALE THOSE ELEVATIONS BECAUSE
OF THE TALL BUILDING.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD
THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN CAUGHT FLAT DURING
THE DESIGN REVIEW.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT
FOR THE RECORD. 
THANK YOU.
THANK GERMAN. 
THANK YOU. 
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WITH
ME?
SURE. 
MR. FISHER.
FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE DPD
PROVIDED IN THEIR LETTER TO US
THE CONDITIONS OF THE ZONING
APPEAL IN I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE
IN THERE REGARDING A LANDSCAPE
PLAN. 
I WOULD BE MAKING THAT A
CONDITION WE'D BE LOOKING TO
MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF OF OUR
APPROVAL HERE THIS EVENING IF
THAT WOULD BE THE WISH OF
THE BOARD.
>> AND THEN ALSO. 
I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THAT
WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO
THE UNDERDOGS. 
BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MADE A
CONDITION THAT IN THE EVENT OF
A MAJOR SNOW SNOWSTORM THAT
THE SNOW WOULD BE REMOVED OFF
SITE TO PREVENT A LOSS OF ANY
PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS SUGGESTED
THAT IT REALLY IS IF IF
THE APPLICANT WOULD REPAIR
THE SIDEWALK TO CITY STANDARDS
IF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT
REQUIRED THAT, I THINK WE HAVE
TO LEAVE THAT UP TO
THE ENGINEERING BASED ON WHAT
HAPPENS ON THE SITE. 
THE I FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE
.
AND I KNOW MR. LOCKHART'S OUR
REPRESENTATIVE AND I THINK IT'S
BEEN PRETTY I'VE BEEN PRETTY
CONSISTENT OVER THE YEARS.
I HAVE SOME DIFFERENT OPINIONS
FROM SOME TIME WITH
THE HISTORIC APPROVALS AND IN
WHAT I THINK SHOULD BE DONE
FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK SHE MEMBER GO AND HIT
IT RIGHT ON THE RIGHT ON
THE NOSE AS FAR AS THE STREET
ELEVATION.
I LOVE THE REAR OF THE BUILDING
OR THE FRONT LEFT PERSPECTIVE
VIEW. 
THE IDEA OF ELIMINATING WINDOWS
.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU GO BACK TO
THE .
YOUR MOTHER HUBBARD SITE RIGHT
WITH THE RHYTHM OF THE WINDOWS
HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH
THE AESTHETIC.
LOOK AT THE BUILDING.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING THIS KIND OF
A MASS YOU DON'T HAVE ANY
WINDOW ON THAT ON THE STOVE ON
THAT SIDE ELEVATION JUST BEING
JUST AESTHETICALLY JUST
TERRIBLE. 
I THINK SO IT'S ALWAYS A
CHALLENGE WITH THESE TYPES OF
CONDOS EVERYWHERE I'VE EVER
SEEN THEM WITH THAT THAT ATTIC
ROOM NOT BEING CONVERTED INTO A
BEDROOM AS A POSSIBILITY.
I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN CONDOS WHERE
THERE'S THAT ACTUALLY WALK UP
ATTIC SPACE WHERE YOU POP UP
THE DOOR IN IT MADE THAT A
SLEEPING SPOT FOR A TEENAGER. 
HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU REGULATE
THAT? 
THAT'S DIFFICULT. 
IT REALLY IS. 
BUT I THINK AESTHETICALLY
OVERALL I THINK THIS IS A GOOD
LOOKING BUILDING. 
IT'S A GOOD LOOKING PROJECT.
BUT I OBVIOUSLY FROM THERE MAY
HAVE BEEN ABLE YOU KNOW, WITH
WITH SOME BUMP OUT ON THAT
ELEVATION.
YEAH. 
WE'D PROBABLY ON THE OTHER
ELEVATION WOULD HAVE HELP BUT
OVERALL I DON'T THINK IT'S A
BAD DESIGN.
YOU KNOW IT IS A IT IS A NEW
AREA WHERE THE ENTITY IS
ESTABLISHED.
I THINK THAT MORE PARKING ON
SITE HERE THAN IN ANYTHING
AROUND THERE. 
AND I LIKE THE CHANGES I MUST
SAY. 
I LIKE WITH THE CBA HAD
RECOMMENDED ON THE SITE AND
THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
CERTAINLY I WOULD BE.
I THINK IT WAS IT WAS MENTIONED
IN THE LETTER FROM DPD THAT IT
WAS DISCUSSED AND IT WAS
DISCUSSED EARLIER THIS EVENING
AS WELL REGARDING HOW
THE BARRELS THE TRASH BARRELS
WOULD BE HANDLED.
I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THAT TO
BE A CONDITION OF THIS OF THIS
PROJECT AS WELL THAT THEY WILL
BE STORED INSIDE MAKE THAT A
CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
I'M ASSUMING SOME OF THIS WILL
BE INCORPORATED.
THIS IS WHAT WILL BE
INCORPORATED INTO THE CONDO
DOCS THOUGH IT WILL LIVE ON
BEYOND THE ORIGINAL
CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT.
BUT OVERALL I THINK
THE DRAINAGE. 
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE RECEIVED
THE COMMUNICATION I THINK
THE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN SATISFIED
FROM THE ENGINEERING THE CITY'S
ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. 
OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS A CONCERN.
I THINK ANYBODY THAT LOOKS AT
THE ELEVATION AS IT RELATES TO
THE COMMON GROUND PROPERTY
CERTAINLY I COULD SEE WHAT
THEIR CONCERN WAS RELATIVE TO
THE SITE. 
IT APPEARS FROM AN ENGINEERING
PERSPECTIVE THAT HAS BEEN
ADDRESSED AND CERTAINLY AS
RECOMMENDED I THINK WE WOULD
INCORPORATE THAT IS A CONDITION
AS WELL.
SO I GUESS OVERALL I DON'T
THINK IT'S A BAD PROJECT. 
I THINK IT'S IT IT'S NICE TO
SEE SOMETHING GO UP ON THAT
VACANT LOT.
I THINK ONE OF THE SPEAKERS HAD
A INTERESTING COMMENT ABOUT
THE ANGLE OF THE BUILDING AT
THE AT THE INTERSECTION I AND I
AFTER THAT WAS SAID I LOOKED AT
THE PICTURES AND SURE ENOUGH
THAT IS TRUE OF THE OTHER
BUILDINGS HAVE THE HAVE IT CUT
OFF. 
SO IS THIS ALL I THINK WOULD
HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT IN THIS
BUILDING TO DO THAT IN AND NOT
LOSE SOME OF THE FUNCTIONALITY
PROBABLY OF THE UNIT AS WELL? 
SO OVERALL I DON'T THINK IT'S A
BAD PROJECT AND I THINK THE CPA
DID A GOOD JOB WITH THEIR
PETITION ON THIS.
AND OVERALL AGAIN THE BOARD
LOOKED AT THIS AND STEVE STOLL
OVERALL IS NOT A BAD DESIGN. 
I JUST. 
CERTAINLY THE SCALE THAT
BUILDING THE HEIGHT STRICTLY
YOU KNOW, IT I THINK IT WILL
HAVE VISUALLY WHEN IT GOES UP
AND I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE
SOME ELEMENTS TO VISUALLY BRING
THAT DOWN. 
THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MISS. 
I THINK WE MAY LOST
THE CHAIRMAN MOMENT THERE. 
>> I DON'T SEE HIM ON THE LIST
.
WELL, HE'S BACK ON THE LIST. 
I THINK HE MAY HAVE JUST HAD A
BRIEF CONNECTION ISSUE. 
OK.
CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU ASSUMED
IT THAT WE ARE UP HERE. 
THERE WE GO.
YEAH, AND I JUST MY CONNECTION
IF NOT FOR A SECOND THOUGHT I
DON'T KNOW. 
I JUST WHAT MY CONNECTION IS. 
OFFICER ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS
HAVE ANY COMMENTS? 
MR. CHAIRMAN?
>> YES.
WELL, ABOUT BOB I.
RIGHT. 
THREE OTHER MEMBERS I THINK
IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. 
THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS SITE
SIDE OF THE BUILDING WE A LOT
TO BE USED IS.
RIGHT NOW IT'S FUNCTIONING OF
WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE.
BUT UH, I THINK YOU HAVING BACK
TO THE PARKING ON STRAIGHT UP
THE NEIGHBORHOOD UH AT
THE PRETTY WELL A GOOD PROJECT
.
THEY HAVE NO REAL PROPER THEN
THE ARCHITECT WITH THAT THAT
WAS THE YOU KNOW, IN GOOD HANDS
WITH THE LOANS WERE FOR THE WAY
WILL RELINQUISH TO THEIR
EXPERTISE.
>> THANK YOU, BOB. 
ANYBODY ELSE MUSCLE ANY COMMENT
?
>> NO. 
I THINK EVERYTHING IS BEING
COVERED. 
I MEAN I ACTUALLY LIKE I SHARE
THE CONCERNS ABOUT
THE CONVERSION OF THAT SPACE
INTO THAT ROOM AND I DON'T KNOW
WHAT SORT OF CONDITION WE MIGHT
BE ABLE TO BUY TO ADDRESS THAT
.
THIS SORT OF A TOUGH REGULATORY
ISSUE BUT I THINK I MEAN
GENERALLY I THINK IT'S A GOOD
PRODUCT.
I THINK IT ADDS LIFTING TO
THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK IT
WOULD BE IMPROVEMENT. 
THANK YOU.
KEN, ARE YOU STILL WITH US, MR.
LANE?
YES, I AM.
THE CHAIRMAN CAN DO YOU HAVE
ANY SUGGESTIONS, YOU KNOW. 
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I THINK ALL
THE BOARD MEMBERS TOUCHED ON
THE CONCERN OF THE THIRD
BEDROOM. 
>> GIOVANNI SUGGESTIONS ON HOW
WE CAN HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I KNOW IT'S A POLICING ISSUE
AND YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS GOT
IT UP. 
ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ADDRESSED
IT. 
I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU HAVE I
KNOW YOU PUT A NOTE NO SLEEPING
BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S A IT'S A
TOUGH CALL.
I MEAN YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE
AWAY THE ABILITY FOR THAT AS WE
ALL KNOW AS WE'RE SETTING OUT
OUR OWN IN OUR OWN HOME
OFFICES.
YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEBODY TO BE
ABLE TO HAVE AN OFFICE ON THAT
ATTIC FLOOR OR BONUS ROOM FOR A
PLAY AREA FOR THE KIDS I KNOW
WE USE OUR BASEMENT FOR OUR
KIDS TO PLAY AND IT WAS GREAT
TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE. 
SO YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU YOU
TRY TO LIMIT THE USE AS A THIRD
BEDROOM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT
TO INVITE ANY ADDITIONAL
PARKING ISSUES TO THE PROPERTY
.
BUT ULTIMATELY LIKE YOU SAID,
THIS IS REALLY NOT MUCH YOU CAN
DO.
IT'S A FLEX ROOM. 
WE CALL IT A FLEX ROOM BECAUSE
ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO GIVE
THE HOMEOWNER THE ABILITY TO
USE IT.
LIKE I SAID AS A STORAGE AREA, 
AS A OFFICE, AS A PLAY, AS A
GAME ROOM, YOU KNOW. 
SO IT'S JUST AN EXTRA ROOM.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING A
LIVING ROOM AND A DINING ROOM. 
YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU COULD MAKE
ONE OF THEM BETTER OFF IF YOU
REALLY WANTED TO. 
I STILL HAVE A LIVE YOU KNOW, 
SO FAMOUS YOU HAVE AN OFFICE IN
ONE MOMENT IS A BEDROOM.
ABSOLUTELY. 
YES, SIR.
OK.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND
THAT I APPRECIATE IT.
YES, MR. LETTERMAN TRUCK GOES
MISSING MALIBU ELEVATE AND THEN
GO MR. LOCKOUT. 
>> GO AHEAD.
WALKER THANK YOU. 
>> IT'S WHEN THE BUILDING
PERMIT IS ISSUED TO SHOOT. 
THERE'S A TWO FAMILY I MEAN A
TWO BEDROOM UNIT IS NEXT TO A
TWO BEDROOM UNIT.
SO THE TAXES ARE BASED ON IT
BEING A TWO BEDROOM CONDO. 
NOW IF THEY ADD A THIRD ADD AND
ALSO OWN THEIR SUPPOSEDLY A
FAMILY I DON'T SEE IT'S GOING
TO BE RENTED.
THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION
WOULD MAKE SURE THE VIDEO
RENTAL OF THE QUOTE WAS UM SO I
DON'T KNOW MAYBE THE ATTACK
THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE COULD
HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER
THE THIRD FLOOR USE.
>> YEAH, THAT'S ALL. 
YEAH. 
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
BUT MR. MITCHELL, YOU. 
I'M SORRY. 
LESLIE. 
OH, NO QUESTION. 
I JUST THINK GENERALLY IT'S A
GOOD PROJECT. 
YEAH.
WELL IT SHOULD BE CONDITIONED. 
I WAS JUST NOT PRESENT.
WHEN THAT WINDOW WAS DESIGNED
THAT WAY IT SEEMS VERY ODD TO
ME AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS
DONE WITH AN ARCHITECT NOT A
FULL BOARD THINK PRESIDENT. 
I'M JUST NOT SURE ABOUT SITTING
HERE BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD
PROJECT. 
YEAH WE SHOULD CONDITION A
CLARIFICATION FROM STEVE SO.
YEAH I MEAN IT'S NO WORDS.
>> I MEAN YOU THEY ARE LOOKING
FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT THOUGH
OBVIOUSLY THE SPECIAL PERMIT WE
COULD CONDITION IT TO BE REMAIN
AS TO FAMILY UNIT AND ANYTHING
ELSE THEY GO INTO BUT A THIRD
FAMILY IN THERE AND OBVIOUSLY
YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR
THE CITY TO POLICE IT BUT
OBVIOUSLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS
THE RIGHT TO POLICE IT.
AND IF WE FIND OUT IS IT ANY
OTHER NAME GOODWIN, THEN
THE SPECIAL PERMIT CAN BE
REVOKED.
>> ALL RIGHT. 
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE WE CAN
ADDRESS IT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY
THOUGHTS. 
AND OBVIOUSLY THE ARTICLE IN
THIS COMPANY WAS A TWO BEDROOM
AND INDICATE NOT TO BE ASLEEP
ANY.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE
DETRIMENTAL TO THE APPLICANT. 
>> THAT MAKES SENSE. 
WELL, YOU WERE THE POINT OF
THE TRIBUNE IF I COULD JUST
COMMENT ON THAT. 
YES.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
BUT AS A SMALL SENSE OF, YOU
KNOW, ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE WE
DIDN'T ADDRESS THE IT'S IT'S
PERMITTED FOR TWO BEDROOMS. 
MR. MALLET WHICH HIT IT RIGHT
ON THE HEAD.
THAT'S POLICING WITHIN THE CITY
.
THE SPECIAL PERMIT IS TO
CONSTRUCT IT SO REVOKE
THE SPECIAL PERMIT. 
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TEAR
THE STRUCTURE DOWN. 
NO, NO.
BUT THE POLICING IT IS IT'S
IT'S IT'S IT'S APPROVED TAXES, 
THE TWO BEDROOM. 
IT WAS BUILT AS THE PERMIT WAS
ISSUED AS A TWO BEDROOM.
THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH
THE PERMIT AS IT ON FILE WITH
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT'S I MEAN THAT'S EVERY
STRUCTURE IN THE CITY OF ALL
THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT
SOMETIMES IN THESE IN THESE
CONDOS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
IT'S I DON'T LIKE IT. 
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY BUYS TO
GIVE A BUDDIES AND FALSE SENSE
THAT WE ADDRESS THAT REALLY. 
IT DOESN'T REALLY IT'S WORDING
ITS WORDING AS A CONDITION OF
REALLY ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE. 
>> I MEAN MR. MALLET CHEATED
RIGHT ON THE HEAD. 
>> THAT'S THE POLICING WITHIN
THE STATE.
RIGHT. 
OK.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON
THE BORDER?
WHAT'S THE BIG QUESTION? 
>> MR. CHAIRMAN? 
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE
THE PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING
CONDITIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, TO INCORPORATE
THE CONDITION A THROUGH F THAT
WERE PART OF THE ZONING BOARD
OF APPEALS A APPROVAL AND
THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE
ADDED BY THE PLANNING BOARD
PROPOSED THE PRIOR IT AS
PROPOSED BY THE DPD REGARDING
DRAINAGE PRIOR PLANNING FOR A
BUILDING PERMIT THE APPLICANT
MUST RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM
THE CITY'S REVIEW TEAM BY
DEMONSTRATING THAT THE SITE
DETAILED THE OCCURRENCE OF A
RUNOFF FOR THE FIRST TWO HOURS
OF A FIVE YEAR 24 HOUR STORM
AND COMPLY WITH REQUIREMENTS
OUTLINED IN AN EMAIL DATED
SEPTEMBER 3RD 2020 BY GREGORY
RECALL STAFF ENGINEER
WASTEWATER UTILITY TO PREVENT
OVERFLOW OF RUNOFF INTO
THE ABUTTING PROPERTY. 
>> NEXT CONDITION IS THAT
THE APPLICANT WOULD CONDITION
THAT THE CONDO DOCUMENTS WILL
REQUIRE RESIDENTS TO STORE
THEIR BARRELS INSIDE THE TRASH
BARRELS INSIDE AFTER COLLECTION
AND THAT THE IN THE EVENT OF A
MAJOR SNOWSTORM THIS IS TO BE
INCORPORATED TO THE CONDO DOCS
AS A CONDITION IS IN THE EVENT
OF A MAJOR SNOWSTORM. 
THE THEY WILL BE THEY WILL
REMOVE ALL SNOW OFF SITE IN
ORDER TO PREVENT THE LOSS OF
ANY PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
ALSO THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT
A LANDSCAPE WHEN SUBJECT TO
APPROVAL BY DP. 
AND I WILL JUST ADD ON THAT ARE
ON ESPECIALLY DENSELY POPULATED
AREAS AND I ALWAYS POINT TO
CERTAIN COMMUNITIES NEWBURYPORT
IS ONE OF THEM. 
YOU CAN HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT
PRETTY MUCH EATS UP MOST OF
THE LOT BUT AVOID DEPENDING
UPON HOW YOU CAN LANDSCAPE THAT
YOU COULD REALLY MAKE STUFF
THAT IS VERY NICE.
SO AGAIN I THINK THAT'S A POINT
COMPONENT. 
I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE CBA
APPROVAL MIGHT HAVE BEEN
DISCUSSED BUT I WOULD ADD AS A
CONDITION AND THEN ALSO THAT
THE APPLICANT TO REPAIR
THE CITY SIDEWALK TO CITY
STANDARDS IF REQUIRED BY
THE CITY'S ENGINEERING. 
SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON
THE FLOOR WITH SEVERAL
CONDITIONS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND HOUR
DISCUSSION?
>> SO I GOT THE MOTION MACHINE
INDUSTRY TERM TAKEN BY MR.
LOCKHART ALL IN FAVOR. 
>> SAY I.
I I CHAIR VOTE YES.
ANY OPPOSITION HEARING?
NONE. 
THAT SPECIAL BENEFIT IS
APPROVED.
GOOD LUCK. 
I WISH YOU WELL WITH
THE PROJECT.
HOPEFULLY COMES OUT AS I SAID. 
IT APPEARS TO BE WE TAKE
THE NAMES OF WHAT THE ISSUE OF
THE PROPERTY THAT WE THINK
COMES UP AS WELL.
THANK YOU KEN.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE JOINING MURTHY
AND WE SHOULD ONCE AGAIN THANK
YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> MEMBERS OF THE BOARD
APPRECIATE IT. 
HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. 
>> YOU TOO.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
COUNSEL. 
SO MOVING ALONG ON THE AGENDA. 
WE MISSED A JUMP DOWN TO
ADMINISTRATIVE SIGNATURE
AUTHORITY.
YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT,
FATHERS JAVID? 
YES.
ABSOLUTELY. 
IT'S BEEN COMMON PRACTICE THAT
THE ASSOCIATE PLANNER ALSO HAS
SIGNATORY AUTHORITY AS DOES
LABEL THE DIRECTOR OF
EMPLOYMENT SERVICES AND THEN
THE SENIOR PLANNER MYSELF AND
THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE
HAD NOT UPDATED ONCE FRIEND
BECAME ASSOCIATE PLANNER ONLY.
I THINK AS THE PANDEMIC AND WE
HAD MANY, MANY OTHER THINGS
THAT WE WERE ALL FOCUSED ON. 
SO NOW THAT YOU HAVE THIS
OPPORTUNITY WE THOUGHT THAT IT
WOULD BE A GOOD CHANCE TO TAKE
THAT VOTE.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE
SECOND MOTION. 
>> SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
SAY I DON'T LIKE ANY OPPOSITION
THAT IS ALLOWED.
JEVON I TALKED EARLIER TODAY I
KNOW WHEN WE SAW SOME OF OUR
COMMUNICATIONS THAT CITY HALL
IS OPEN TWO DAYS A WEEK
BASICALLY NOT THAT PEOPLE COME
IN AND OUT THOUGH THEY'RE GONNA
NEED OUR SIGNATURES FOR THIS. 
I SPOKE WITH GERARD. 
NICE TELL YOU KNOW IF IT IF
WE'RE GOING TO BE IN
THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IF WE
CAN'T GO INTO CITY HALL WE CAN
CALL THE PLAN MAYBE WE CAN MEET
OUTSIDE THOUGH THAT COULD WORK
WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON
JUST SO THEY CAN GET THIS ON
RECORD. 
SO IF YOU'RE NOT AVAILABLE ON I
BELIEVE WAS TUESDAY
THE THURSDAY.
YOU HAVEN'T WELCOME FULL TIME
BUT IF ANY OF THE DAYS YOU SAID
JUST CALL AT THE TIME HIMSELF A
FRIEND COULD COME MEET US
OUTSIDE AND JUST ABOUT
SIGNATURE THAT WOULD JUST
MENTION THAT TO THE BOARD
MEMBERS.
SO IF YOU'RE IN
THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU WANT TO
GET THIS THING PUT YOU ON
THE AIR SOMEHOW SO WE GET TO
BOOT.
WE COULD PROBABLY DO IT SOMEHOW
THAT WAY.
IF YOU'RE NOT AVAILABLE ON A
TUESDAY THURSDAY TO GO INTO
CITY HALL AND I WOULD JUST
ADVISE PROBABLY DON'T COME
TOMORROW. 
WE MAY NOT HAVE THE DOCUMENT
READY TO GO. 
YEAH, NO I MEAN MAYBE NEXT
STARTING NEXT WEEK. 
YEAH.
YEAH. 
OKAY.
I THINK USUALLY AT A REGULAR
MEETING. 
GOOD PASS IT WOULD SIGN HIM AT
NIGHT.
YOU KNOW LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS. 
RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU GIVE US
UPDATED PLANS FOR EVERYTHING
BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED AS YOU
KNOW.
OH MR. CHAIRMAN. 
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS SO LONG
YOU HAVE TO REFER TO IT AS
THE OLD DAYS THAT JUST BREAKS
MY HEART.
>> YEAH. 
NO, LET ME GO BACK TO ANYBODY
ANY NEW BUSINESS OF OLD
BUSINESS OF ANY GERMAN CASE
IT'S PLANNING BOY. 
ALL RIGHT. 
I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT
THE SIGNATURE AND TO ADD TO
THE ASSOCIATE MEMBERS NEED TO
PROVIDE THAT SIGNATURE. 
IF ALL OF THEIR REGULAR MEMBERS
ARE PRESENT AT THE MEETING DUE
OUT, I THINK YOU JUST NEED FIVE
OF US. 
>> RIGHT. 
YEAH, WE NEED I THINK IT'S
ACTUALLY EVEN JUST FOUR OF
THE MEMBERS AND THE RUSSELL'S
POINT SINCE YOU ARE ALL
THE FULL MEMBERS PRESENT THAT I
THINK YOU'D BE.
I THINK WE THE FULL MEMBERS WHO
VOTED TO APPROVE THIS
AUTHORITIES RUSSELL AND
JEANETTE DON'T NEED TO SIGN
CONTRACT. 
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
GOOD QUESTION.
RUSSELL. 
>> QUESTION THOUGH ANY BOOK
THAT ANYBODY HAVE ANY KNEW OF
OLD BUSINESS TO IS NOT ONLY A
STORE REPORT DOES NOT START
ANOTHER MEETING.
SEPTEMBER.
PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE ALL
THE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. 
>> HEY. 
HEY.
DID YOU HAVE A START IN THAT
COMMITTEE THAT WE HAD THAT
YOU'D APPOINTED TO US? 
YEAH, NO, I HAVEN'T HEARD
ANYTHING ABOUT IT SINCE
THE SINCE I WAS BORN TO. 
SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WHEN
THERE IS ONE. 
OK, THANKS.
THANK YOU.
AND I CAN PROVIDE A BRIEF
UPDATE ON THAT. 
JOHN. 
WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE A NEW
POSITION POSTED SOON OR AN
ASSISTANT PLANNER WHO WOULD BE
STAFFING THE PRESERVATION
COMMITTEE ALSO HELPING OUT WITH
THE PLANNING OR ZONING BOARD
AND CONSERVATION AND THE OTHER
KIND QUICK RUN OR THAT GROUP TO
DEVELOP REGULATIONS, START
ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS AND
HOPEFULLY MAKE
THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO
THE COUNCILS. 
THE PROJECT COULD BE FUNDED BY
THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR
BEFORE JULY 1 BUT WILL BE A
QUICK, QUICK TURNAROUND ONCE
THINGS START HAPPENING. 
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
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