So I want to welcome everybody here today
This is our GO on the Lewis and Clark Trail
citizen science project kick-off, basically.
We're here today to introduce to you a collaborative effort between
NASA's GLOBE Observer program and the Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail.
I want to welcome everybody who is here, all the trail partners.
We appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to come to this webinar
and to consider joining us in this effort.
So I'm Ashley Danielson, I'm here in Omaha at the conference table.
I'm the volunteer partnership specialist for the trail
so many of you have probably seen my name and email before
and I'm excited that you're here today and hopefully we can really get to know each other
and do something great with this project.
For our webinar today, we have a few objectives.
We want to introduce the GO on the Lewis on Trail citizen science campaign,
show you how to use the GLOBE Observer app, which the campaign is part of,
and then become familiar with the resources that the Lewis and Clark Trail
and GLOBE Observer program will help you to become successful with this program.
So, the GO on the Trail citizen science is going to
run from June 1st, 2019 to September 2nd, 2019.
If you were a trail partner last year, you may remember that the Trail tries to do a
summer social media campaign every summer, where we focus on
one thing. Last year it was the traveling stuffed dogs along the Trail.
Many of you remember that.
This year we are going to do a citizen science campaign.
The reason that we decided to work with NASA and the GLOBE Observer project
is because Lewis and Clark, the Lewis and Clark story
one of major components was documenting for science.
They were charged with journalling, keeping records
documenting land cover, plants and animals, those sorts of things, so
we decided to partner with the GLOBE Land Cover app
because that's what they do, they document for science.
I hope you'll see by the end of this webinar why we decided to work with them
and how we think it will help us as the Lewis and Clark trail to further the Lewis and Clark story.
This is a map that was done prior to the Lewis and Clark expedition.
I mostly put this up here to show you that, when they took off,
especially, from Fort Mandan, there wasn't a lot to go off of.
They didn't have GPS like we have today, they didn't even a good map.
You can see most of the Pacific Northwest is just blank.
This is the map before Lewis and Clark. Now I want to show you the next map, and this is actually
a map of the GLOBE Observer land cover.
This is the GLOBE Observer visualization.
This is where the data that we're collecting is put on to.
The reason I want to show you this is because you
can see very clearly there, that most of the sections where the Lewis and Clark Trail are, are blank.
This is an area where NASA needs help
documenting land cover for science
and we're here to help.
You can see from this map that the demand is really
the need is there to document along the Lewis and Clark Trail.
I should take a step back and say that land cover is defined as the
physical material on the ground, so grasses, water, asphalt, that sort of thing.
Here's the map of the trail.
Many of you are aware that the Lewis and Clark was recently extended in legislation
we have our 3,700 miles that has been the designated trail
and we're adding 1200 more miles, that' the green section.
We're very excited to work on this program with NASA
and we're excited that you're here with us to do it today.
The Park Service and the Lewis and Clark Trail in particular
has been working with NASA for several years.
Last year we sent a toy dog to space.
We also worked on this program, which is a
story map where NASA provided us with satellite images
and we paired that up with historical landmarks on the ground.
Our work this year with the GLOBE Observer app
is intending to take this a step further
and validate the satellite data with on the ground observations.
So what's in it for you, and your site?
That's very important.
We hope that this campaign will give you an opportunity to reach
new audiences. The GLOBE community has a lot of different audiences
education program, citizen scientists, all sorts of things.
We hope to get new audiences out to your site.
We want to get people more engaged with your
individual sites and also with the Lewis and Clark Trail as a whole.
Hopefully by this program you will be able to make a clear connection between
your local resource and the larger trail.
We also want to help draw people to lesser known sections of your site.
Maybe there is an area you want people to
discover that they haven't yet. There's a way with you Observation Station to do that.
We'll talk abou that in a little bit.
We also just want to get people outside.
We want people to go outside and explore, see what's going on.
The final reason is that we hope you will find this a very exciting
opportunity to collaborate with NASA and the National Park Service.
Here at the Lewis and Clark Trail, we've a great experience so far
working with the folks from NASA, and we hope to extend that to you our partners.
Here's a look at the Observation Station.
I'm not going to talk about this too much right now
I just want to give you a little sneak peak about what it's going to be.
For now, I'd like to turn it over to, do I pitch to Eric first?
I want to pitch to Eric, at NASA Goddard, to talk a little bit about
how the land cover citizen science helps NASA science and science in general.
Thank you, Ashley, and thanks for the opportunity to
talk to your folks, and to
people who will hopefully be engaging with us and helping us
My name is Eric Brown de Colstoun. I"m a scientist
at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center.
I'm actually coming to you from the NASA Land Cover / Land Use Change
science team meeting in Rockville.
We're telling my colleagues, my peers all about citizen science and how
to get more scientists involved.
But here, in collaboration with the GO team
and Peder Nelson at Oregon State University, he's the lead on the
GO Land Cover app.
Just to say a couple of things.
First of all when you showed that map, Ashley, as a geographer
I always love looking at that.
But I kept thing to myself that if Lewis and Clark only had the
perspective of space, they may have gone in
a much straighter line, perhaps, than they did.
Although they still had to go on rivers, obviously.
I'm a scientist, I study land cover and land use
and how they're changing.
Land cover is the physical nature of the land, so whether it's
forest/woodland, grassland/savannah, urban areas
crops, you name it.
We study that from the vantage of space,
and we're studying that as it changes over time with satellites.
We're really excited to be able to work with you guys
and to work with the Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail
on this really exciting activity.
Just essentially trying to tell you that
again, the contributions that you make, and that your visitors will make
will not only help us, the scientists,
me and Peder and others doing the science,
but also then engage them in what we hope is
genuine science. This is genuine
science activities that can actually help NASA
The really nice part, that I really love about working
with citizens and students is that two-way street.
The scientists benefit from the measurements,
and the citizen scientists are making measurements contributing to science, to NASA science
and getting out there in the places you guys love and that you care about.
The national parks, the national historic trail.
I wish I could get out there more often myself,
It's a beautiful place to do science.
We thank you in advance for your contributions.
We will be with you along for the ride.
To help you maybe do a little bit more in-depth analysis,
to give you answers to questions on science
and any other things that we can assist you with.
It's a very opportunity and I look forward to working with you
and I look forward to your participation, so thank you.
Thanks, Eric. I'd like to turn it over now to Ryan Cooper.
He's the Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail geographer.
Hello everyone, thanks for joining us.
My name is Ryan Cooper. I'm the geographer for the Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail.
I just wanted to share a few
reasons why Lewis and Clark National Historic trail
is excited about doing this GLOBE Observer project.
First, trail awareness, and natural, cultural and recreational resources
are top priorities for the Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail
So it's a great opportunity for people to get out
and learn more about the trail and learn more about the resources of the trail.
Second, the GO on a Trail project is an opportunity to bring
Increased awareness and reach new audiences
and get people to actually go out and experience the trail.
The project also provides additional
engaging recreational opportunity, actually getting people outside.
The opportunity to collect valuable resources
data through citizen science.
This data is actually going to be used by
National Park Service and NASA decision-makers.
That's extremely helpful
And lastly, though the GO on the Trail project experiences,
people are more likely to actually care about the Trail, and care about the resources
and become stewards of the trail. So these are some of the reasons
why Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail is really excited about this project.
Thanks Ryan.
Turn it over to you, Holli.
Thank you, Ashley. So my name is Holli Kohl,
I manage the GLOBE Observer program, and I wanted to introduce you
to our team and tell you a little about who we are and
why we want to partner with you.
As Ashley pointed out,
here are the, on the left here you see the GLOBE
Land Cover observation sites
throughout the history of the GLOBE program, which I'll tell you about a little bit more
in a moment.
Here on the right is the trail, and you cover some of our gaps nicely.
The other point I wanted to make with this is that
when Lewis and Clark set out, they were make a transect of the continent.
When we go and take observations, or want to take measurements of what's on the
ground, on the land, one common way to do that is
to go to that place, map out a square
an area, and then walk in a line across that area
and that line is a transect.
Then you sample along that line, and that becomes a
the representative area of that broad area.
Looking at the map, the Lewis and Clark Trail
is a fantastic transect, albeit a little bit crooked one, of the continent.
It would be a really
for us a really fantastic opportunity to get a sampling
of different land cover types across North America.
GLOBE Observer is part of the GLOBE Program.
The GLOBE Program is a broad citizen science and education program
that engages students and citizen scientists around the world
in collecting environmental data in support of Earth science.
GLOBE Observer is a small part of GLOBE
It's based on a free app called GLOBE Observer,
and it guides people through the process of taking some of the GLOBE Observations
All of the observations we take are connected to NASA science
and satellite data in some way.
Or we're working to make that connection - some of them are further along than others.
For part of this challenge, one of the things you can measure
with GLOBE Observer is Land Cover, so what's on the land around you.
I have here a screenshot of our Land Cover home screen.
The app itself contains training to show you how to take an observation.
So it guides you through that whole process, you get trained and then
it reminds you at each step and at each screen
what you're supposed to be doing now
The end goal is that we want publishable research
improving land cover mapping.
So we're not doing this just for fun, although it is kind of fun to do.
We want to improve the way we create satellite-based land cover maps
by filling in details, and helping us verify what is happening when we detect change.
So to do that, I just wanted to give you a quick
sense of what you'd be doing with GLOBE Observer,
the Land Cover protocol, the tool you'd be using.
the Land Cover protocol, the tool you'd be using.
You go outside, you take pictures of the land around you,
you tell us what's in the pictures,
and then you tell us how that compares to what our satellite thinks
or what our satellite-based maps say is there.
You say yes it's the same, or no it's not.
And that's essentially it.
I am going to hand off to my colleague, Kristen Weaver, now
to give you a more detailed view of how to make a
land cover observation and what all is involved in it.
Hi, so as Holli said I'm Kristen Weaver, I help her run the
GLOBE Observer app along with a large team of wonderful other people.
The goal with the app was to try to take advantage of
the technology that we have, that people carry around in their pocket.
and do some of the things that make it easier to collect
data. Things like getting your GPS location, and things
that were harder to do before we had this technology.
You can see there on the left we've got four tools in the app overall
and we're focusing on Land Cover for this one.
The basic steps are to download the app, which of course you would need a WiFi or Internet connection for
and then do you do have to register with an email address.
You can see the Land Cover main screen there and those three trainings that Holli mentioned.
This particular screen shows that the Land Cover Observer
training has been completed. That's the one just for taking basic pictures.
then we have a Land Cover Expert about classifying the images,
and then the Satellite Observer, knowing how to compare those things.
All that training is within the app
For the most part you can use the app offline
once you download and register it. I know that's important for a lot of places
along the trail, and a lot of park or visitor center sites that might
be a little bit more remote and might not have great cell service.
If you're going out and walking on a trail and trying to make an
observation, once you've set up the app you can make your
observations while offline.
The one thing that doesn't work offline
is some of the satellite mapping
but taking the pictures, and you can start the process
out in the field and then of course you will need cellular
or WiFi connection to send the data afterwards.
The app, the phone will fill in the date, time and location.
That's taking advantage of the technology we have, GPS in your phone
to fill in that information.
Then we need some information about surface conditions.
Most of them are pretty obvious, is there snow or ice, standing water
muddy, those thing you see.
The reason we ask this is because these are things that can
affect the way the satellites are observing the ground.
The one that people have the most questions about is the leaves on trees.
That's if there is more than 50% of the deciduous trees around your
that have leaves on them. That's the one we get the most questions about.
But for the most part this step is pretty straightforward.
It's just about defining your location and the general conditions
That are nearby.
This is the first part as Holli alluded to
the taking of pictures.
This is showing a screen recording of what it looks like.
The app will use the compass in your phone
so you can guide yourself to the right direction for taking each photo
Then you can that bar, when you line up that bar
so you know you're facing in the right direction, then you can adjust up and down
because we are focusing on the land cover.
We have the clouds tools, but right now we want you to be focusing on the land cover.
It's not in this little GIF, but we also have you take pictures up and down
The goal is to have at these observations stations that we mentioned
and that we will talk about a little bit more that you actually get the
observation station in your down photo.
The photos are actually everything that needs to be done,
because that's useful, that can document the land cover.
And if people take repeat observations, or multiple people taking observations
at the same place, we can actually see the change over time.
So that's all that's required to do is to take the photos.
But for those who have a little bit more time,
and want to do a little bit more,
After you take your pictures, you can either classify immediately
or save the pictures and classify later, but
this gives scientists a little bit more information
categorizing the pictures, what you see in the pictures.
Grass, trees, bushes, water.
You see the percentage sliders there for each direction
looking at the pictures that you just took.
You notice that it can be more than 100%
You notice that it can be more than 100%
because you might have a situation where you also have a vertical structure
you might have grass underneath and trees above
and so estimating the percentages.
This part is useful because it just makes it easier for scientists
Finding the pictures that they're looking for.
The pictures by themselves are valuable, but we can add some
by having a little bit more information about the photographs.
On the far right you see the My Map that gets created.
As people make observations, they'll see
their own observations, but they actually will also see
the observations made by other people in their area
as well as the satellite classification of that area.
That's where you can note whether what you observed in this space is
different than what the satellite had classified it.
You can also compare to what other people have seen, and also
see if there are gaps that need to be filled in the map
that nobody's made an observations, you can go and make an observation
that location.
Kristen, I might add here that this is where you can see what the
satellite observed in that area, and tell whether or not that matches
with what you observed.
If you clicked on that little layers tab there
you would see the ability to see the satellite layer
underneath your own observation and see how those compare.
There are a lot of reasons they might be different
and those reasons do not prove that you're wrong,
it's just a different scale and change over time.
Yes, and actually that's a good point.
A good example of that is an area that the satellite might
have classified as an urban area, but there's a green space
within that urban area that is finer detail than the satellite mapping can get.
This is just an example of an observation
what it looks like on the GLOBE Visualization System website.
You can see the pictures that were taken in the directions up and down
and it's a little bit small to see, but you can see the classification
that has been given based on whether you said there were trees or grass
or water, what appears in the picture.
And then the images of there. You can access your own images
but also if people are interested, they can also go in and look
at other images that people have taken along the trail.
Or even when they get home, one of the powerful things about this
is that if they learn about it at your visitor center or museum
and do observations on the trail, they can take it back home
and do observations back at home as well.
Kristen, I just wanted to make a comment.
As a oldish NASA scientist
that is not very good with my cell phone, like my kids are,
the tool is very usable, it's very simple to use
and it gives us the data that we need.
So just putting in a plug for the usability of it.
If I can do it, then I think anybody can.
We have tried to make it as usable as possible
and we're always open to suggestions if people find things that
don't quite work right, we're open to suggestions.
We can't fix everything, but we do our best.
Just don't ask me to Twitter.
And of course if you have any questions, if you think of something
later on in the webinar, you can ask in the chat
but also any of us who work on the program are available to
answer questions as you're going on, if things come up
while you're using it this summer, we'll be available to also
help answer your questions and troubleshoot things.
Peder also put in the chat box that the app does have some different language options
so this could be an option if you have some visitors to your area
that speak a different language, it's also available in some different languages.
So, I hope everyone is sticking with us
and if you have any feedback or anything, feel free to put it in the chat box
We're going to go now to how can you participate.
There's two sections here.
So first I'm going to go through how a visitor could participate
then I'm going to talk about how your site and your
staff can help encourage that participation.
The challenge itself goes from June 1st to September 2nd this summer.
The GLOBE Observer program and the land cover will be available
indefinitely, so just because you don't get a lot of participation during this time
you can keep collecting observations and keep encouraging people
to collect observations, that's just the date of this particular challenge.
So the way that a visitor would participate is
they would go to app store and download the app.
You need the email address, we already talked about that.
The next part would be to collect points.
The way that we've structured this, and it is a sort of challenge, game in some way
is that you take the observations using the Land Cover observations.
There's three different ways to get points.
One is to find an observation station
and capture the station on your down photo.
The logo that you see over there is going to be printed as a two-foot round concrete sticker.
If you were at your site last year, you remember thet we mailed out
selfie spots - it's the same size and same shape.
We would be asking you as visitors' centers, museums
to find a place for this Observation Station outside and encourage visitors to go there
and to take land cover observations.
One reason we decide on the Observation Station is because those repeat
observations in the same area are very important.
Also, from the Lewis and Clark Trail side, we see this as a great way to encourage your visitors
to go where you want them to go, what you want them to see.
Maybe you have an overlook, maybe you can put this at a trailhead
wherever you want that would be a good place for a land cover observation.
In our scoring system, we weighted that higher, we weighted that
four points, the most you can get.
That was a way to encourage people to get out to your sites.
You can also earn two points if you go to a designated point along the trail.
We're still working on this map, but by the time this goes live in June we're going to have a map with certain
points along the trail that people can go to that location and take an observation.
And then one point for any observation along the Lewis and Clark Trail.
We hope that this will be a fun way to encourage people to get out, to earn points, and there will be
small little prizes, yet to be determined, for that.
So as we said, this is the Observation Station. It will be a two-foot round concrete sticker.
That can go on concrete. I know last year some places put it on plywood
and used it as a sign.
If you need help thinking about where this should go
you can ask us - ask anyone me, or one of the people, we would be happy to give you some ideas.
We hope that there's going to be enough information
between the Observation Stations and some of the other materials that people will
understand what we're asking of them.
I see Eric asked about the historical sites.
The designated points on the map will include some of our high-potential historic sites.
Places like Spirit Mound in South Dakota.
That will be somewhere where we want things to go.
Somebody asked where do we obtain the Observation Station stickers.
That's a great question. At the end of this webinar I would. Like to get everybody's
email information if you're interested so I can make sure I mark that down.
We are going to be mailing these out to many of these partner sites, but I want to make sure if your interested
that we have your email and your site contact info.
If you want to put that into the chat now, maybe somebody can start collecting those.
So that's where you'll get the Observation Station, they will be mailed from our office. We're going to have them printed, and then mailed out.
So there's the Observation Station.
Then, you know, one of the steps is to submit your observations.
We really want people to turn those in.
The people who get the most points will get a prize package.
That makes it sound really good, we'll have to get some good stuff for the prize package.
We're also aware that we want to encourage stewardship and best
practices when we go out.
We have a little tag line, leave no trace, take only observations.
Go on a trail and stay on it, we want to encourage people to be safe.
Staying on marked trails is important to protect ecosystems
and reduce your risk of dangerous plants and animals.
That's very important for us to know.
Those last slides are how a visitor would participate.
What the trail and NASA are going to provide to sites
are these things to help you get involved with the campaign.
So we can provide an Observation Station.
We could possibly provide more depending on what the locations were, we can talk about that separately.
We are going to have a poster. We saw that right at the beginning of the webinar - should have put it on here, sorry.
We're also going to have postcards that are going to have
the information that you just saw on them. So you'll be able to hand out these postcards to people
and they'll have all the instructions, what the app is,
where they should go. And then you can direct them to your observation station or anywhere along the trail.
Then we're going to have some stickers like the one you see here.
Those are going to be for people who participate.
So if you have people do an observation, hand out the stickers for that.
These are the products, this is what we want to offer to you to help you implement this program.
And if there is something else you need, or a question you have
please let us know. There's a lot of great people working on this team and we're happy to help you and assist you.
We hope you'll be interested in coming alongside us for this.
The assistance that's available are the app training materials.
I myself have done the app, and I'm not very tech-savvy, and it's pretty easy.
So that's good.
And then access to NASA and National Park Service staff.
Everybody from the NASA side, and our side, everybody's been great
I really want to encourage you not to be afraid to ask questions and to find out what
If you need help, or just don't understand something, please reach out to us because we really want to be a resource to help you
help make this a successful campaign.
And then the outreach products.
We hope to have a good amount of postcards, and some posters and things that you can do to really outreach
to your communities, whether it be school groups, summer camps, just general visitors
whatever it is, we want to be here to help you.
So that's it, I'm done with my part of the speech.
I want to hear from you.
If anybody wants to ask questions, or I want to know is anybody
are you interested, is this something you think could work at your site, or in your area.
Yeah, I think it's definitely something we could use in our area. And our department would be excited to partner with all of you on doing that.
Do you want to introduce yourself,
I'm Steven Kinser with the Idaho Department of Parks and Recreation.
I'm stationed at Hell's Gate State Park, which has a Lewis and Clark
Discovery Center that was built during the bicentennial.
Thank you.
Something else I just would like to mention, it's a little bit out of the scope of this webinar, but we did
last month release an informal education toolkit on our website, that's for each of the protocols.
If this sounds good, but you're like "Oh, that's cool, I want to do more stuff with land cover," we actually
have some activities. If you do interpretive programs at your location there are some
additional resources that we have for GLOBE Observer that are available on our website.
That's, like I said, out of the scope of this particular activity, but if you decide you get excited
we have more things that you can do, too.
Great, Kristen. Can you make sure I have the link to that, so I can send it out in the partner materials when they go out?
Sure.
So this is Holli. One thing we wanted to ask you, this was a brief introductory webinar,
we introduced the concept to you.
But there's a lot of really interesting science associated with this,
there are some additional things that we would really love to have interested sites help us with.
So I wanted to find out if you would be interested in more information
more information about the science, a second webinar or a time to chat with us
Whatever would be most useful to you, I'm curious what that would be.
One thing that we would really love, in addition to using the GLOBE Observer app
to take observations at an Observation Station,
is for a few sites to actually go walk a short transect.
Go out to the Observation Station and walk in a line
north or northeast, we need to figure out exactly what the protocol is,
say ten-fifteen meters, and every couple of steps look down
write down what you're standing on, look up, tell us if you see trees overhead,
and do that for say ten steps.
And do that in each cardinal direction, and then provide that information.
Then as we look at what citizen scientists are submitting from that Observation Station,
we have a secondary source of information that tells us what is there in a more rigorous
measurement system. We can see how people are using the app and taking that measurement
and how well they're doing at telling us what's there.
That's a little bit deeper, it's an activity you could do,
it's designed to be done with kids, so you could do it with a school group,
you could do it just yourself, or you could do it as an interpretive activity.
We're hoping that this whole thing is something that you can fold in to your routine
programming, as part of what you would do anyway as you bring people outside and interpret your site.
So if that's something you're interested in, we would be happy to provide more information,
more documentation about how to do it, and that sort of thing.
One other thing that I didn't say is that our summer social media campaign will include all sorts of messages
on land cover, documenting for science, things like that. So hopefully we can incorporate this into what you see all summer from the trail.
Did you have a question, Tom?
Yeah, so if I were a site along the trail, in a museum, or a state park or something,
can you walk me through how you see this working?
So a visitor comes in, we want to engage them with this, we want them to use this as a neat way to engage with the trail.
What are the steps to getting them to get to the app, and get out and do it, what does that look like?
So I see it as a two-step process. First is that the site itself would have received an Observation Station and placed it somehwere.
Maybe that's right out in front of the building, or at an overlook or something.
The second step is when somebody comes in to the site you'll have those postcards that you can hand them.
That includes the download information, how to take an observation, and then it will walk them through it.
There is a little bit of a gap, I understand that some people might
not be able to download the app right at that time, but hopefully some will, and then they go out to the
Observation Station and start observing. That's how I see it working.
This is Eric, sorry I was having a couple of little technical difficulties.
The one point I wanted to make about the Observation Stations,
if you think about it in terms of the science.
We make a land cover map, and it's an estimate of the dominant land cover of that area.
We don't know how accurate that is. The NPS does these vegetation mapping programs all over their units
and they also are trying to get an idea of accuracy.
By getting these measurements, we start building confidence in our land cover maps,
but then if you think about it just from a repeat observation.
Let's say that you have this place in a selected area outside your museum,
each visitor that makes an observation at that same spot
essentially is getting an independent observation of the same spot
then we're getting hundreds of different observations.
That allows us to see how consistent the app is, how consistent the result is
if you have hundreds of people making the same measurements.
So I don't know if that makes sense, but that's hugely valuable for the science to establish
if we give citizens a simple tool to assess this, how good is it for science.
I don't know if that makes sense.
It's a really big contribution for Peder and I who do the science of land cover mapping
to have that kind of information.
I'm happy to talk a little bit more about the pacing, if you'd like, Holli, but I know we're
I don't know if people have questions or comments on the previous statement.
Thanks, Eric.
I would love to see everyone put in the chat window, what are you thinking about this, what's a thought.
Do you think it's doable, not doable, what would you need to be able to implement this at your site.
I'd love to get some feedback from the people out there in the field that would actually be doing the work of implementing this.
Thanks. Christine, thank you for your comment about doing it with teachers.
I agree that the timelines just didn't work out. Although, even though the challenge itself will be over,
this is something that can go on with teachers into the fall.
The app isn't going to close, the need for the observations is still there.
Even though the campaign itself is only the summer months
this would be a great project to implement with teachers going forward.
And Christine, GLOBE does have a lot of really rich, wonderful resources for using the program with teachers
so if that's something you're interested in, maybe try it out with your regular guests this summer,
and if it's something that looks like it would be really valuable to you
we can certainly connect you with that program so you have all those rich resources and support.
And Steven, thank you, I'm excited to see how it works out.
Alright, Steven's on board, thank you!
Just to make the other comment
by the participation of you guys out in the field and the connection with the trail
I'll admit as a scientist we don't know all the final details of how these things will go
but we're hoping that the experience and the things that work and don't work for you
in what we're trying will help us build confidence
for doing this in the future as well.
So that's another important part, we want to be able to do this across many different areas.
Hopefully other park units in the future, we don't know. The work you guys are doing with contribute
to that being something of a more permanent nature.
Thank you.
Anita Davis from NASA joined and she reminded me, and this is a great thing,
this is a good, the NASA app is also a good way to help your visitors really connect with your site,
but then they can also use it at their homes, so they can compare and contrast. It's a good way to get that place-based
thought between their home, where they're visiting, other places they're visiting.
It's a neat way to make that connection. So thanks, Anita, for reminding me about that.
Well, I hope that this isn't the end of our discussion, but the beginning.
We'll be very excited to stay in contact with you.
If we don't already have your contact information, feel free to leave it in the chat.
I assume most of you heard about this through our partner news or our partner Facebook page
but I don't know that for sure, so I want to make sure we have a way to contact you and keep you in the loop
as this partnership moves forward. Any final questions?
Okay. Thanks Holli, Eric, Kristen the whole NASA team.
Thank you everybody for being here today and we look forward to working with you this summer.
