Hello and welcome to The Black Ponder. Today, we're talking about
The Trial and Death of Socrates
by Plato. Plato was a philosopher who was
Socrates' student. And he
portrayed a lot of his philosophical thought
through dialogues. They are basically
fables and stories that he wrote
that are conversations between two people. One of those people is mostly
Socrates. And the Trial and Death of Socrates
is told through the three dialogues
Euthyphro, Apology, and Crito.
This version, by the way, is
Library of Liberal Arts Edition
that is published by Prentice Hall.
The Trial and Death of Socrates is
a great gateway into philosophy. If
you're interested in philosophy
and you're a beginner, a layman.
Maybe you've seen a movie with a lot of philosophy influence,
like The Matrix or something like that.
There are so many movies... Fight Club. There's also a ton of animations, especially Japanese animations like
Neon Genesis Evangelion which is heavily influenced by
philosophy. Perhaps you've seen
this type of media and you would like to study
what they're based off of.
Then you look up philosophy books finding them complicated and
hard to understand. Well a good start is
The Trial and Death of Socrates. Basically The Trial and Death of Socrates
is pretty much the foundation
of Western Philosophy. It all starts here
because Socrates is the forefather
of building conclusions based off of
logic and reason rather than emotion,
egotism, and only what people tell you.
The Trial and Death of Socrates is about how Socrates
traveled around the area of Greece
and he was having a lot of dialogue with
people
that were considered controversial because he would challenge people and he would
bring the flaws of their logic to light.
A lot of people didn't like that. Eventually
one person who was connected with the
government in Athens took Socrates to trial.
He was charged with
corrupting the youth and also
impiety which is basically going against
religion or going against the gods. I
have to say before
getting into the meat and bones
The Trial and Death of Socrates, first we have to talk about
how I could so see how this guy was
put to death because Socrates can be kind of annoying.
Now I'm not saying that I don't
like Socrates. His effort is very
admirable. The way he searches for
truth by pushing the limits
by going into the logic of it and the reason behind it is great.
But I could definitely see how people just got sick of him
because some of his dialogues with people...
I mean, I can so easily put myself in the other person's shoes and think like,
"Man this guy is really annoying." For example he's having a conversation
with Euthyphro. Euthyphro's father
killed one of his slaves and Euthypthro feels this is wrong.
So he asks Socrates for some advice about that.
Socrates calls him out on that. He says how do you know what's right and what's wrong?
What are you basing your morality off of?
Euthyphro was challenged. Here's how the conversation goes:
"Is not that which is being loved in a
state either of becoming
or of being affected in some way something?"
"Certainly."
"Then the same is true here as in the former
cases.
A thing is not loved by those who love it because it is in a state being loved."
"Necessarily."
"Well then, Euthyphro, what do what do we say about piety? Is it not loved by all gods according to your definition?"
"Yes."
"Because it is pious or for some other reason?"
"No, because it is pious."
"Then it is loved by the gods because it is pious. It is not pious because it is loved by them."
"It seems so, Socrates."
"But then what is pleasing to the gods is pleasing to them and it is in a state of being loved because they love it?"
"Of course."
"Then piety is not what is pleasing to the gods and what is pleasing to the gods is not pious, as you say Euthyphro. They are different things."
"And why, Socrates?"
"Because we are agreed that the Gods love
piety
because it is pious and that it is not pious because they love it. Is not this so?"
"Yes."
"And what is pleasing to the gods because they love it is pleasing to them by reason of this same love.
And that they do not love it because it is pleasing to them."
"True."
"Then my dear, Euthyphro, piety and what is pleasing to the gods are different things.
If the gods have loved piety because it is pious
they would have also love what is pleasing to them because it is pleasing to them.
Never mind whether the gods love it or weather it has other effects.
We shall not differ in that point. Do your
best to make clear to me what is piety and what is impiety."
"But Socrates, I really don't know how to explain to you what is in my mind.
Whatever statement we put forth always somehow moves around in a circle and will not stay where we put it."
"No, I think your statements, Euthyphro, are what go round about in circles."
"Nay, Socrates, I think that the joke is very much in point."
"Tell me. Do you think that all piety much be just?"
"I do."
"Well then, is all justice pious too or while all piety is
as is a part only of justice pious and the rest of it is something else?
"I do not follow you, Socrates?"
"Exert yourself, my good friend. I am not asking you a difficult question."
"You know what, I was trying to ask you for advice, but if ain't gonna tell me what needs to be told.... Then... Damn!"
Here's another conversation with Meletus, the guy that charged Socrates.
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very important that young should
be as good as possible it is comment
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my question
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Socrates
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the young man improve them
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is there anyone who would rather be a
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you are prosecuting me for corrupting me
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voluntarily are involuntarily for doing
it voluntarily
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ones yes but the good opinions are those
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buyout a corrupted by defeat is our life
worth living
way it is corrupt is the body is it not
yes is a life worth living with the body
corrupted cripple
no certainly not that is life worth
living was not part of us
which is made it by justice benefit by
justice is corrupt
but more valuable yes much more cell
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what many will say about we bust a gut
what
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just is it what truth
herself will save us yes this is an
idiot
Socrates but it outright look
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I'll try this has your life at like
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outta here dude up a is due to get you
out I had to stay at all
that's why blesses us k you get outta
here
no no no that's not the question I asked
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by kids have been talking like gadget
talk like that
his big black should have kept it have
it he buscado like so many people
but despite that he was right use a
right to know he always people
really was because its he was about
going to the truth
mad as the most important part yeah I
agree with the
regretted it's very light but we gotta
ask our sales
why is it annoying why's that no I guess
because
itself difficult to get to the truth
because people
artists day put so much way
on moco im their
ego and you know
what society is time that we all day
that they're told is that ok use in
their own
critical thinking as a yeah I talked is
accused the being
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how do you know that if they had had a
plaque you know papers talented like
well that's cuz I'll
past I was told that if it hits the that
Socrates like
doctors rely on what you're told you see
all braided think I
doesn't he have a good chance they got
actually 50 bucks each other so
what one got things is wrong and other
got by
hit big is good so I hear that just
doesn't make any sense because
dot all the dots I universally agree
up on everything is alright by Andy
itself
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Socrates struggle activity in all the
fuss tracing he got there they go
through life
inaez he could tell I realize most radio
go
it is difficult you know we have
conversations with people and trying to
get went through to the truth of the
matter in heart
the issue by there's all these emotions
in August ego that gets in the way
people believe in things not base of a
reason
are you know hit psychological
about bass but rather you know some I
told them something to think about like
that American legislator in half
you know all these republicans do one
thing only because that's what
republicans this post do are democrats
there is nothing
and they only doing it because that's
what democrats as opposed to do
but develop the port like you should do
think stop because ok but
political party urea do what you're told
to do what you expected to do
is it do takes because they make sense
that they have logic behind it
another important concept are brought up
here the trial death of Socrates is
really
popular philosophical concept you may
know if she may not biology
I'll let you know it's about how
Socrates talk to a lot a supposedly
wise people Socrates is to is have a car
as they sit with these guys that he's
like you know
this guy really doesn't always talked
about at all
it he says he's wise but he doesn't
really
know a thing just took dad
he comes to realize it I believe the
truth flight
you are actually smart are you not
because ido boarded use because I
I know I don't know lot of talk across
all types like
I know I don't know about this topic but
you say
you actually know about this topic ship
a few doubt he did i do you really
believe you do but you
don't know how it always is talking
about that makes me smarter digital
it's very why Dahl what you don't know
lead to its you know is not wise to
think you know something with you really
dull ship yeah I got think about days
like this I am
scientific method sciences go by rule
all times
like in our database everything of 0
what we know if there's something we
don't know how we're going to admit we
don't know that we're not going to claim
that we know these things that something
is a fairy were gonna say that there he
went on to say this is proof
shooters they like this is something I
propose
and I'm going to work hard to prove it
if I don't prove it then
okay you know it is a very in this is
out here
well I think that there's a lot of
things in life that we can
Sol with reason and logic
for example things like the global
economy
global warming war all types of things
that are happening today
week you know a lot of these things are
happening because
where basing our conclusions of boogie
motion
egotism what we're told in our of %uh
just us using our own critical minded
thinking
about the logic in the reason behind
these things just the tip of the iceberg
the trial death of Socrates goes over a
lot of different things I encourage you
to read it especially if you want to
give
in Baltic lost you want to learn about
loss P again this is a great
a starting point you know it's very easy
to understand is also
a way for you to start understanding in
philosophy
no idea is a bill their bill of reason
and logic
not build of know how I feel it what
I've been told
Dido you're encouraged to related
a philosophical thought if they go by on
your home
is that something that I agree with and
does that make sense or does it not
accept
you know by the time you should believe
in this stuff just because
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