EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE. >> SENATOR BARBARA BOXER, THANK
>> SENATOR BARBARA BOXER, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >>> JOINING ME NOW FOR MORE ON
>>> JOINING ME NOW FOR MORE ON THE MOMENTUM SING, MADDIE SA
THE MOMENTUM SING, MADDIE SA HASSAN, HOST OF THE
HASSAN, HOST OF THE DECONSTRUCTED PODCAST.
DECONSTRUCTED PODCAST. I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FEARS
I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FEARS ABOUT JOE BIDEN’S ELECTABILITY
ABOUT JOE BIDEN’S ELECTABILITY BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BERNIE
BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS.
SANDERS. IT’S STRUCK ME THAT THE SANDERS
IT’S STRUCK ME THAT THE SANDERS THEORY IS AN INTERESTING
THEORY IS AN INTERESTING SELF-TESTING HYPOTHESIS IN THIS
SELF-TESTING HYPOTHESIS IN THIS WAY.
WAY. THE IDEA IS, LOOK, WE KNOW WE’RE
THE IDEA IS, LOOK, WE KNOW WE’RE RUNNING AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC
RUNNING AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT.
ESTABLISHMENT. WE KNOW THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT
WE KNOW THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO BRING NEW PEOPLE IN TO
IS TO BRING NEW PEOPLE IN TO MAKE THE MATH WORK, AND THUS FAR
MAKE THE MATH WORK, AND THUS FAR THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER ON THAT PROMISE OF NEW
DELIVER ON THAT PROMISE OF NEW TURNOUT, PARTICULARLY AMONG
TURNOUT, PARTICULARLY AMONG YOUNGER VOTERS.
YOUNGER VOTERS. IT’S GONE UP A LITTLE BUT THE
IT’S GONE UP A LITTLE BUT THE PLACES WHERE WE SAW THE BIGGEST
PLACES WHERE WE SAW THE BIGGEST TURNOUT BOOSTS, LIKE VIRGINIA IS
TURNOUT BOOSTS, LIKE VIRGINIA IS THAT IS WHERE SANDERS GOT
THAT IS WHERE SANDERS GOT CRUSHED.
CRUSHED. >> THE SANDERS PEOPLE I SPOKE TO
>> THE SANDERS PEOPLE I SPOKE TO TODAY ARE DISAPPOINTED AND THEY
TODAY ARE DISAPPOINTED AND THEY DON’T GET IT BECAUSE THERE IS A
DON’T GET IT BECAUSE THERE IS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE HUGE
DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE HUGE RALLIES AND THE DISCONNECT
RALLIES AND THE DISCONNECT ONLINE AND ELSEWHERE IN TERMS OF
ONLINE AND ELSEWHERE IN TERMS OF SMALLER DONORS AND YET YOUTH
SMALLER DONORS AND YET YOUTH TURNOUT WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO
TURNOUT WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO POWER HIM TO THE NOMINATION,
POWER HIM TO THE NOMINATION, YOUTH TURNOUT WAS LOWER THAN IN
YOUTH TURNOUT WAS LOWER THAN IN 2016.
2016. SO THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE
SO THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN GOING FORWARD
SANDERS CAMPAIGN GOING FORWARD AND THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX
AND THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX THAT IN MICHIGAN BECAUSE THAT IS
THAT IN MICHIGAN BECAUSE THAT IS CRUCIAL TO HIS STRATEGY.
CRUCIAL TO HIS STRATEGY. >> THERE’S A NEW CAMPAIGN THEY
>> THERE’S A NEW CAMPAIGN THEY PUT OUT SHOWING BERNIE SANDERS
PUT OUT SHOWING BERNIE SANDERS WITH BARACK OBAMA, BARACK OBAMA
WITH BARACK OBAMA, BARACK OBAMA PRAISING HIM, WHICH IS AN ENTIRE
PRAISING HIM, WHICH IS AN ENTIRE CAMPAIGN GENRE.
CAMPAIGN GENRE. IT MADE THIS POINT, THE WORK
IT MADE THIS POINT, THE WORK REQUIRES CONVINCING LEGISLATORS
REQUIRES CONVINCING LEGISLATORS IN YOUR PARTY TO SUPPORT YOUR
IN YOUR PARTY TO SUPPORT YOUR AGENDA.
AGENDA. IF SANDERS AND HIS TEAM DON’T
IF SANDERS AND HIS TEAM DON’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, THEY
FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, THEY COULD VERY WELL LOSE TO BIDEN
COULD VERY WELL LOSE TO BIDEN AND EVEN IF THEY WIN, THEY’LL BE
AND EVEN IF THEY WIN, THEY’LL BE UNABLE TO GOVERN, MEANING HOW TO
UNABLE TO GOVERN, MEANING HOW TO BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE
BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE COALITION.
COALITION. DO YOU THINK THAT’S THE MAIN
DO YOU THINK THAT’S THE MAIN CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW?
CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW? >> IT’S NOT THE MAIN CHALLENGE
>> IT’S NOT THE MAIN CHALLENGE BUT IT’S DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE.
BUT IT’S DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE. WHEN JIM CLYBURN SAYS THAT
WHEN JIM CLYBURN SAYS THAT BERNIE SANDERS DIDN’T REACH OUT
BERNIE SANDERS DIDN’T REACH OUT TO HIM, THAT’S A PROBLEM.
TO HIM, THAT’S A PROBLEM. LET’S BE HONEST, NOTHING BERNIE
LET’S BE HONEST, NOTHING BERNIE SANDERS COULD HAVE SAID WOULD
SANDERS COULD HAVE SAID WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AMY KLOBUCHAR TO
HAVE GOTTEN AMY KLOBUCHAR TO ENDORSE HIM.
ENDORSE HIM. AS CHARMING OR FRIENDLY AS HE
AS CHARMING OR FRIENDLY AS HE CAN BE, HE HAS A POLICY PLATFORM
CAN BE, HE HAS A POLICY PLATFORM THAT A LOT OF 2K78 DEMOCRATS ARE
THAT A LOT OF 2K78 DEMOCRATS ARE NOT GOING TO REACH OUT FOR.
NOT GOING TO REACH OUT FOR. HE DOES NEED ELIZABETH WARREN
HE DOES NEED ELIZABETH WARREN GOING INTO MICHIGAN AND THE
GOING INTO MICHIGAN AND THE OTHER STATES.
OTHER STATES. I WOULD BRIEFLY RESPOND TO
I WOULD BRIEFLY RESPOND TO BARBARA BOXER ABOUT JOE BIDEN.
BARBARA BOXER ABOUT JOE BIDEN. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BERNIE
THIS IS NOT ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS.
SANDERS. BIDEN IS NOW THE FRONT-RUNNER.
BIDEN IS NOW THE FRONT-RUNNER. YOU CAN THINK BERNIE SANDERS IS
YOU CAN THINK BERNIE SANDERS IS A CRAZY COMMUNIST WHO CAN’T WIN
A CRAZY COMMUNIST WHO CAN’T WIN M
M IN NORTH AMERICA BUT IF YOUBIDEN
IN NORTH AMERICA BUT IF YOUBIDEN NOT BEEN VETTED.
NOT BEEN VETTED. HE’S NOT BEEN ASKED ABOUT THE
HE’S NOT BEEN ASKED ABOUT THE BANKRUPTCY BILL, NEVER PROBED
BANKRUPTCY BILL, NEVER PROBED ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR AND HIS
ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR AND HIS TURNAROUND ON THE IRAQ WAR AND I
TURNAROUND ON THE IRAQ WAR AND I DON’T THINK WHY DEMOCRATS THINK
DON’T THINK WHY DEMOCRATS THINK YOU CAN RERUN THE 2016 PLAYBOOK
YOU CAN RERUN THE 2016 PLAYBOOK AND NOT THINK THAT DONALD TRUMP
AND NOT THINK THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL RERUN HIS.
WILL RERUN HIS. THEY TRIED TO RUN A PRO-IRAQ
THEY TRIED TO RUN A PRO-IRAQ WAR, PRO-WALL STREET
WAR, PRO-WALL STREET ESTABLISHMENT
ESTABLISHMENT ESTABLISHMENT.
ESTABLISHMENT. WHERE DID THAT END UP?
WHERE DID THAT END UP? WHAT’S THE OLD SAYING, INSANITY
WHAT’S THE OLD SAYING, INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN
IS DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND EXPECTING
AND AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS.
DIFFERENT RESULTS. >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO
>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT ASIDE WHICH IS BOTH AN
SAY THAT ASIDE WHICH IS BOTH AN ELECTABILITY AND IDEALOGICAL
ELECTABILITY AND IDEALOGICAL CRITIQUE MARRIED TOGETHER I
CRITIQUE MARRIED TOGETHER I THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY, WHAT DO
THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE LIKE
YOU THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE LIKE A KYRSTEN SINEMA.
A KYRSTEN SINEMA. SHE WON THAT STATE SORT OF
SHE WON THAT STATE SORT OF AGAINST THE ODDS.
AGAINST THE ODDS. SHE’S COMING OUT FOR JOE BIDEN
SHE’S COMING OUT FOR JOE BIDEN TODAY.
TODAY. YOU SEE MARK KELLY WHO’S TRYING
YOU SEE MARK KELLY WHO’S TRYING TO WIN IN ARIZONA.
TO WIN IN ARIZONA. YOU SEE FRONT LINE DEMOCRATS IN
YOU SEE FRONT LINE DEMOCRATS IN SWING DISTRICTS.
SWING DISTRICTS. DO YOU THINK THOSE FOLKS IN
DO YOU THINK THOSE FOLKS IN THOSE TOUGH SWING AREAS, ARE
THOSE TOUGH SWING AREAS, ARE THEY MISUNDERSTANDING THEIR OWN
THEY MISUNDERSTANDING THEIR OWN POLITICAL INTERESTS AND GETTING
POLITICAL INTERESTS AND GETTING IT WRONG WHEN THEY SAY I PREFER
IT WRONG WHEN THEY SAY I PREFER BIDEN AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET
BIDEN AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET THAN SANDERS?
THAN SANDERS? >> THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION AND
>> THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION AND YOU HAVE TO COME TO SO MANY
YOU HAVE TO COME TO SO MANY THINGS IN PLAY.
THINGS IN PLAY. IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
IF YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS IN SWING
CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS IN SWING STATES WHERE THE DOUG JONES AND
STATES WHERE THE DOUG JONES AND SINEMA AND OTHERS, OF COURSE
SINEMA AND OTHERS, OF COURSE THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC
THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC EVALUATIONS
EVALUATIONS EVALUATIONS
EVALUATIONS EVALUATIONS THEY HAVE TO DO BUT
EVALUATIONS THEY HAVE TO DO BUT AS BARBARA BOXER SAID NOBODY IS
AS BARBARA BOXER SAID NOBODY IS PERFECT.
PERFECT. MY WORRY IS THAT BIDEN IS THE
MY WORRY IS THAT BIDEN IS THE GUY WHO’S GOING TO BEAT TRUMP
GUY WHO’S GOING TO BEAT TRUMP BECAUSE HE’S GOT SOME KIND OF
BECAUSE HE’S GOT SOME KIND OF MODERATE APPEAL WHEN THAT DIDN’T
MODERATE APPEAL WHEN THAT DIDN’T WORK IN 2016.
WORK IN 2016. HE’S GOT SO MUCH BAGGAGE AND
HE’S GOT SO MUCH BAGGAGE AND THIS IDEA THAT HE’S JUST GOT A
THIS IDEA THAT HE’S JUST GOT A STAMMER, HE SPENT MUCH OF
STAMMER, HE SPENT MUCH OF FEBRUARY FALSELY CLAIMING THAT
FEBRUARY FALSELY CLAIMING THAT HE GOT ARRESTED IN SOUTH AFRICA
HE GOT ARRESTED IN SOUTH AFRICA TRYING TO SEE NELSON MANDELA.
TRYING TO SEE NELSON MANDELA. YOU’RE GOING TO SEE ATTACK ADS
YOU’RE GOING TO SEE ATTACK ADS LIKE WE’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND
LIKE WE’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AND HE MAY STILL WIN BUT I’D LIKE
HE MAY STILL WIN BUT I’D LIKE THE DEMOCRATS TO HOLD HIM TO
THE DEMOCRATS TO HOLD HIM TO SOME OF THAT STUFF NOW.
SOME OF THAT STUFF NOW. THERE’S ONE MORE DEBATE IN A
THERE’S ONE MORE DEBATE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR BERNIE.
COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR BERNIE. HE NEEDS THAT DEBATE NOW BECAUSE
HE NEEDS THAT DEBATE NOW BECAUSE I THINK BIDEN WOULD SUFFER
I THINK BIDEN WOULD SUFFER HUGELY IN A ONE-ON-ONE DEBATE
HUGELY IN A ONE-ON-ONE DEBATE WHERE HE CAN’T HIDE BEHIND OTHER
WHERE HE CAN’T HIDE BEHIND OTHER CANDIDATES.
CANDIDATES. I DON’T THINK HE CAN SURVIVE A
I DON’T THINK HE CAN SURVIVE A TWO-HOUR DEBATE WITH BERNIE
TWO-HOUR DEBATE WITH BERNIE ONE-ON-ONE.
ONE-ON-ONE. >> I AGREE THAT A ONE-ON-ONE
>> I AGREE THAT A ONE-ON-ONE DEBATE WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL
