

### Interview With Jesus:

### Abortion

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Session 1

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### This ebook is a transcript of an interview that took place on 18th April 2012 in Wondai, Australia between Jesus (also known as AJ Miller) and Barbara McNair, on the subject of abortion. In this interview Jesus describes what God's Truth is about abortion, the emotional impact it has on the child, what happens to the child after it dies, the emotional impact on the parents and the reasons for miscarriages, premature births and still births.

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Table of Contents

1. Introduction

2. The definition of abortion

3. Religious views on abortion

4. The legal status of abortion

4.1. Most manmade laws address effects and not causes

4.1.1. The example of female sexuality

5. Worldwide statistics relating to abortion

5.1. Abortion is the intention to terminate a child's life from the moment of conception

6. Emotional injuries underlying the choice to abort

6.1. A child is comprised a soul as well as a physical and spirit body

7. The emotional impact of abortion on the child

7.1. Differences between late term and early term abortions on the child's experience

7.2. The emotional impact of medical staff who carry out abortions

7.3. Abortions can be atoned for by repentance on Earth or in the spirit world

7.4. Believing an aborted child will have a better life in the spirit world is not a loving justification

7.4.1. Experiences of a child growing up on Earth vs. in the spirit world

7.5. Emotions that aborted children go through

8. Miscarriages, premature births and still births

8.1. Miscarriages are due to emotional injuries in the parents

8.2. Emotions create premature and still births

8.3. The emotional impact of miscarriages vs. abortion on the child

9. God views the "rights" of children as gifts to give children

10. What happens to children after they die

10.1. Some aborted children are held Earth bound by other Earth bound spirits

10.2. Mothers grieving a miscarriage can cause a child to become Earth bound

10.2.1. Emotional reasons for miscarriages

10.2.2. Emotions surrounding the parents desiring a child of a specific gender

10.3. Teaching children who have passed about God is based upon the child's desire

10.4. Connecting with the parents depends on the parents' desire

10.4.1. An illustration of a man who forces his wife to have an abortion

11. Soul damage created in the parents who abort the child

11.1. Abortion takes the gift of life away from the child that has been given by God

12. Soul attachment and conception

12.1. Erroneous beliefs about gender differences in soul attachment

12.2. The soul can only ever attach to one body

13. Repentance and abortion

13.1. Reasons for detuning from the emotions associated with having an abortion

13.2. Steps to repentance

13.2.1. Spirit influence can disturb the process of repentance

13.3. Adoption is a loving alternative to abortion

13.4. Truth assists the process of repentance

13.4.1. Delivering truth with judgment makes the repentance process harder

14. Closing Words

1. Introduction

Interviewer: Hi, AJ.

AJ: G'day, Barb.

Interviewer: Thanks for joining me today. Today I would like to talk about a very controversial and interesting topic for me - abortion. It is of interest to me because I have had two abortions myself. It's something that I am not proud of, but something that I have to deal with, and I feel there's many women in my situation that have to deal with that. I also feel that there are many other people involved in the decision making processes who need to face the responsibility of being involved in those decisions as well.

AJ: Sure, like many men for instance were involved in the decisions of their wives or partners, or occasional partner, having an abortion, and therefore many of those men bear a fair degree of responsibility as well.

Interviewer: It has been very controversial throughout our society's history - forever, I dare say. Because of the moral issues that we have not faced about it, some of the ethical issues, political issues and the practical issues of it that surround the topic of abortion and the act of abortion.

AJ: Medical issues and all sorts of issues. I agree.

Interviewer: So, maybe the moral issues are a good one to start with, and then I am going to go into lots of other topics that hopefully will flow.

AJ: I feel probably all the issues need to be resolved, but obviously there is a lot of controversy around the moral issues themselves. The main reason why there is controversy is because everyone who has a moral opinion has a different opinion. And what I would like to say first up is that what I would like to present is not my own opinion of the issue, but rather what I have observed through 2,000 years of my life on the issue in the spirit world. I have had the advantage over most people in the sense that I watched the entry of these aborted children come to the spirit world. So therefore I have had the ability to see what is going on from all angles, what is going on for the mother, what is going on for the father, what is going on for society, and what is going on for the child. And I feel that probably the most important issue is what is really going on for the child.

AJ: I want to firstly say that with this issue and any other moral issue that I might ever discuss with people, it is important to understand the difference between the presentation of truth about the issue, and the issue of moral judgement that people have. I do not have any moral judgement, for example, of a murderer. I do not have any moral judgement of a rapist. I do not have moral judgement of violent crimes; I don't have a moral judgement of the person who actually does those crimes. I do want to state the truth about the effects of these crimes and the effects on love, and the effects on the people who these crimes are perpetrated against, and also about the effects of these particular things on the perpetrator.

AJ: For some people currently on the Earth, abortion is viewed as a crime and therefore they have a lot of moral judgement towards anybody who actually commit that crime. I don't have that same moral judgement. I want to help any person to become more loving, and that includes helping a murderer or a rapist or people who others judge as an abortionist, or whatever. And I feel it is important to state this upfront.

AJ: Secondly, it is very important to state upfront with this particular subject that there is no need for anybody to have any judgement about any crime. The main reason why we have judgement is because we have a lot of hurt about the issues inside of us; on either side of the judgement fence we have a lot of hurt. And the more hurt we release internally about any of these issues the less judgement you will actually feel.

AJ: That does not mean though that for whatever the issue is, for example the issue of murder, that the issue of murder does not have a moral answer. I am not saying that I am amoral when it comes to any of these issues because I have observed some very definite things from the spirit world, and I therefore have some very strong moral stance about these particular issues. However, I don't feel the persons who commit these particular things against morality need to be judged in any way. They just need to have some assistance if they want it. I don't need to force it upon them.

AJ: Any person listening to this interview needs to bear in mind that I am not trying to force any moral stance upon them. I am going to be presenting God's stance to you, and it's up to you to make your own choices and decisions. Like it always is.

Interviewer: That puts me at ease a bit more with all these questions. I know that you are not judging me and I actually feel that as well.

AJ: You know that I love you and care about you; we have known each other long enough now to know that. I haven't treated you any differently after you told me that you had had an abortion than before.

2. The definition of abortion

Interviewer: No you never have and I am grateful for that. Let us talk about the definition of abortion first of all. Wikipedia defines abortion as: "Abortion is defined as the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a foetus or embryo prior to viability." And the Webster Dictionary defines abortion as: "Abortion is defined as the act of giving premature birth; particularly the expulsion of the human foetus prematurely, or before it is capable of sustaining life." Is there such a time when the foetus or embryo can be classified prior to viability or before it is capable of sustaining life?

AJ: This is an important question. The answer, bluntly, is no. From God's perspective and what you observe in the spirit world when a couple get together and they have sex, the moment of conception is the moment that the soul of the child has actually been attached to the spirit body and physical body. And this happens within a few moments of conception. When I say a few moments, it is not a very long period at all.

AJ: And in fact in many cases, if the woman in particular is sensitive to that attachment of the soul to the growing organism within the womb, at that point then she will also feel that conception has taken place. She will be able to feel and sense the soul of the child already.

Interviewer: I must admit that the two pregnancies that I aborted, I did not feel that. But at the age of around forty, I fell pregnant again and I knew instantly I was pregnant. And when I told my husband at the time, he responded; "How would you know that?" However, I instantly knew.

AJ: The reason why in the earlier pregnancies that you did not feel it is because denial through the human mind has a large effect on what you feel. And the human mind in denial has a very large effect from its own body even. There are many people who feel very little pain in their own body, and yet as soon as they connect, they stop using denial as a tool to control what happens, then they start to feel the pain in different areas of the body.

AJ: It is similar in principle when it comes to pregnancy. Pregnancy is not a pain in the body, but if the mind is in denial and does not want to be pregnant, then that has a very large effect on whether the person is sensitive to the pregnancy that is actually occurring.

Interviewer: That was the case with my first two pregnancies, but in the third pregnancy I was desiring it.

AJ: That is correct. Since you were desiring it, you were now open to the knowing of it. The instant you became pregnant, you knew straight away. The reason why, is because the little tiny soul, if we could call it that, is a soul in its first incarnation, it is not a reincarnation soul but a first incarnation soul that is now attached to those organisms. The organisms are two bodies growing inside the womb - one is the physical body and the other is a spirit body. They look almost identical to each other as they grow, and genetically their structure is very similar. As they grow, the woman generally becomes aware because of the changes to her body, but she is capable of being aware right from the moment of conception.

3. Religious views on abortion

Interviewer: I would like to mention a few religious viewpoints regarding abortion. Early Judo-Christian traditions dating back thousands of years always valued the unborn human life. The teaching of the twelve Apostles states that, "Thou shalt not kill the child in the womb or murder a new born infant."

AJ: There were even penalties in Judaism before Christianity associated with the hitting of the woman, who was pregnant, and then causing the miscarriage or aborting of the child. That was condemned. In fact the person could actually be stoned to death for such an act under Judaism Law. It began many, many, many thousands of years ago this condemnation of this abnormal termination of a child's life.

Interviewer: The Catholic Church opposes abortion because it believes that life is sacred and inviolable. Orthodox churches generally forbid abortion as going against the commandments – "Thou shalt not kill". The Church of England states that the unborn child is alive and created by God.

Interviewer: Islam teaches that life begins at conception and is created by God. Abortion on any grounds is forbidden in the Islamic holy book. Chapter 6, verse 1, volume 1 states; "Do not kill or take a human life which God has declared to be sacred." In Judaism, the Jewish law forbids the taking of innocent life, and stresses that human beings are made in the image of God. Even a foetus in its mother's womb is made in the image of God. In Hinduism scriptures refer to abortion as womb killing and describe abortion as the greatest of sins. Gandhi, himself said "It is clear to me as daylight that abortion would be a crime."

AJ: All of these religions feel very similarly. I feel that morally they do have it correct to a degree, but their judgement of the person who commits an abortion is where morally they exceed their boundaries. In other words, it is okay to state the truth as it is apparent, and the truth from God's perspective about an issue, it's quite a different thing then to have a judgement upon the people who disobey that truth. And that is where I feel that most religions take this way too far.

AJ: For example, if we look at Judaism in my time in the first Century, a purposeful abortion was taken as a crime, but then they stoned to death the mother. Rather than looking at the reasons why the mother did the thing, helping her to correct her behaviour in some way, or helping her to see what the emotional perspective was. A lot of times it was driven by her being raped or some other thing, and yet the father or man who raped her was not addressed in any way under these circumstances. So often there was a large degree of unfairness in the way to which a woman was treated in regard to her having committed an abortion.

AJ: The same applies to many of the religions, and this is what I wanted to say at the beginning. Unfortunately it is one thing to state this is the truth from God's perspective, it is quite another thing then to take action against the person who commits the crime, which is, in its self, another crime. From God's perspective taking action against a person who committed the first crime is another crime. For example, when a group of people project a huge amount of rage at the person who has had an abortion in the past, they are committing another crime; that group of people, not the person who committed the abortion. The group of people who are angry are committing another crime. And so it grows and grows.

AJ: This is where I see that religions exceed their boundaries. So while it is one thing to present God's perspective on the matter and all the religions viewpoints generally, have as their basic principle God's viewpoint on the matter. It is quite harmful then to take vindictive or angry or resentment based actions against the people who perpetrate such crimes. This is the case with any crime, by the way. Anything that any person dictates as a crime, the fact that you are now angry, and the fact that you are now attacking them, and the fact that you are attempting to use violence against them, is another crime. There are many people, who are very hardline with abortionist, and there are many who are prepared to use violence against them. This illustrates how way out of harmony with God they are in terms with their judgement.

AJ: While I agree with some of the perspectives of some of those religions, I can't agree with them using that as a basis for an underlying attack upon a person who has committed anything that they believe to be a crime.

4. The legal status of abortion

Interviewer: That leads straight on to the legal status of abortion in countries. Worldwide governments have frequently banned abortion, and it is limited by law.

AJ: It is very different in every country depending upon their religious backgrounds and so forth.

Interviewer: I looked up about 30 or 40 countries and it was an interesting concept.

AJ: Even in our country here, Australia, in each of the 6 states and 2 territories it is very different.

Interviewer: Notably though, abortion rates are similar in countries where the procedure is legal to countries where it is not legal.

AJ: Exactly, so the law has had no effect on abortion rates, really.

Interviewer: Abortion is legal in the majority of countries for the following reasons; to save a women's life; to preserve physical health; to preserve mental health; in the case of rape or incest; foetal impairment or economic or social terms. Now that covers a lot of situations.

4.1. Most manmade laws address effects and not causes

AJ: It does, and unfortunately if we look at those things that you listed, they are all effects of other problems. This is something that often happens in humanity. We make a series of laws only to address the effect of problems rather than dealing with the cause.

AJ: For example, one of the things you mentioned was this feeling of, "Let us make abortion okay in the case of rape." Well, that does not deal with the fact that the woman has been raped, and it does not address why she has been raped. It does not address the male who has raped her and what is going on with him, and why he actually committed that crime. All it does is it creates another law based on an effect. In other words, she has been raped and now we have to deal with the consequences of the rape.

AJ: The problem that I see with all laws in humanity at the moment is that they primarily deal with effects only. They don't actually address the causes. For example, a woman getting sick during pregnancy, there are specific causes to that, which generally the medical profession blames on the pregnancy, or associates with the pregnancy, but it has other reasons emotionally for causing it. Instead of discovering those reasons emotionally because they don't believe that emotions can create physical problems, they then go down the track of dealing with the effect of the woman getting sick and so forth. For example, recommending to the woman that she has an abortion to save her own life.

AJ: The problem with all laws I feel, is that they do not address the actual cause. If you don't address the cause then you just are going to continually handle the effects, over and over again. So more laws evolve as each effect becomes more complex. As we stop addressing causes, each effect becomes more complex, we then have to create more complex laws to address the effects. Eventually nobody, not even the lawyers, knows what the law is on a particular matter because it has been modified so many times. I feel that that is not the way to address these issues. But it is the way that many governments address these issues of course, because they feel powerless to address the issue any other way.

Interviewer: That covers a lot of situations. All these countries, governments, persons of authority have it all wrong because we base our decisions often on what the law says we can do.

AJ: Of course. And yes I do believe they have it all wrong in a lot of ways because they are creating laws to deal with effects, rather than laws to address causes. The way God works is that all of God's Laws address causes and not effects. God notices the effect but wants us to address the cause, so that the effect can never occur again. The problem with humanity is that we don't understand the relationship between cause and effect. We do scientifically understand it most of the time. Scientifically, you know if you drive a car into a brick wall the car is going to crumble, that is the effect. What was the cause? Me driving it into the wall! If I don't drive it into the wall, I won't have the effect of the front end of my car crumpling.

Interviewer: In those situations, which are simplistic, I can understand it. But when it comes to the emotional reasons why we did things, it is more complex.

AJ: Exactly, it is more complex and perhaps more difficult to address, although it just might seem so, because most people on the Earth are living in their minds, and therefore are not able to feel their emotions, and are therefore not able to see the underlying cause. My suggestion is that if you are able to feel your emotions you will often very rapidly understand the cause of why an event occurred, and what your underlying motive was to take that action.

AJ: We have to be careful when we judge society, when we look at society and analyse it, that we do not analyse it through the error we are already in. And this is another thing that humanity has a habit of doing. In other words, what we do is we look at something happening, for example with animals, we look at animals eating each other and then we go and say that God must have created it that way. That is basically removing ourselves as having any potential causal influence on the actual result. So basically what we are saying is, "God created animals that way and that gives me the justification for eating the animals, and it gives me the justification for a lot of other things." Without actually realising that, me and my emotions are affecting these animals, and causing them to eat each other. Once my emotions change, the animals won't eat each other anymore. That cause is never addressed because nobody ever thinks that, that this is a potential answer.

AJ: So what we do instead through our observation is we observe something happening and then we think that is how God made it to be, when it is not how God made it to be. It is how mankind modified it to be through their soul based condition.

AJ: And this is the same problem here. Mankind often looks at a situation, sees it without understanding all of the causes and changes laws to change the effect. This often creates more causes which they then have to address with more laws to address the effects of those causes, rather than addressing the cause from the beginning.

4.1.1. The example of female sexuality

Interviewer: On that subject, this would relate to the female body and contraception.

AJ: Exactly. Why does the average girl become sexually able to conceive a child at a time when she is not emotionally able to handle the conception? Why does that happen? There is an emotional reason why that happens, which is in all of humanity actually. And when that emotional reason is addressed the problem won't occur. Her body and her emotions will develop at the same speed, and when she is emotionally able to handle giving birth to a child she will also physically be able to conceive.

AJ: We are doing this all the time with many matters. We need to stop for a moment and see that we are very averse to addressing the actual cause of an issue, because we often believe it to be too complex. What we try to do is create a whole set of laws to address the effect of the issue because we feel that is easier to understand. In fact what it does it creates more complex causes, which have more complex effects. In the end we end up in total confusion as to what is right and what is wrong, right across the board in all areas of our lives.

5. Worldwide statistics relating to abortion

Interviewer: Let us talk about some statistics. We have an estimate of 44 million abortions performed globally each year, with approximately half of those performed unsafely. Unsafe abortions result in approximately 70,000 deaths of the mothers, and 5 million disabilities per year globally. These figures have come from The World Health Organisation. In the spirit world, you mentioned before, that you have seen results of these 44-50 million abortions.

AJ: There is a group of children who pass over into the spirit world who have been aborted, and there is also a group of children who have passed over into the spirit world who have been miscarried. If you add both of those groups together in terms of their emotions, which often times are very similar for those children, it ends up in the hundreds of millions per annum. Nearly 200 hundred million children, every single year attempt to incarnate onto planet Earth to have a life based experience on Earth, that don't make it through to birth.

Interviewer: Interesting that you picked 200 because I had read 205 approximately.

5.1. Abortion is the intention to terminate a child's life from the moment of conception

AJ: Some of those have been from the mother's perspective, and the father's perspectives, and have been intentionally terminated. That is what I would classify as an abortion. My classification of an abortion is anything from the moment of conception where a person has taken an intentional attitude towards a child, where it wishes to terminate its life. Unfortunately we tell ourselves a lot of things like "It's not even a child".

AJ: The other 150 million plus are the ones that the mother considers are not intentional, but unfortunately they do have a large bearing again based on the mother and father's emotional condition, and what kind of demands they are placing upon the soul of the child that causes the child to exit. The soul and the spirit body can no longer retain a connection with the physical body, and therefore life cannot be maintained by the physical body of the person who is in the womb, and so the child in the womb dies, as the saying goes. Of course the child has not died, it has just moved onto the spirit world under those circumstances.

AJ: There are over 150 million of those happening every year as well. And each of them has differing emotional reasons for them to happen but we need to address their cause.

6. Emotional injuries underlying the choice to abort

Interviewer: What are the main emotional injuries that would cause a woman to have an abortion in our society today? And has that emotional injury changed over history?

AJ: It is interesting that you ask the question say, "That caused the woman to have an abortion." I don't view it that way either. I view it as causing the couple to have an abortion, because both the male and the female, from whom the child has been conceived, have a direct responsibility for the life of the child they have conceived. It is not just the woman's responsibility for the abortion; it is also the man's responsibility for the abortion as well. So what we need to do is look at the emotions in both the woman and the man that might have caused them to consider an abortion.

AJ: If you ask that question, well now there are a huge number of emotions. For instance, many women have actually had abortions not because they wanted to, but because the man told them they had to otherwise the man would leave them. So you could say, under those circumstances that the man had the desire not to have the child, the man did not want to recognise the child he had create. And what he has done, is now he is emotionally trying to force the woman into an abortion by threatening her and saying, "I am not going to have a relationship with you if you have this child."

AJ: Under those circumstances the woman has an emotion where she is willing to pander to the man's desires, and sacrifice even her own feelings for the sake of this relationship. This is an emotional injury she has where she is willing to sacrifice the life of another person, the child itself, for the sake of maintaining this relationship. That should tell her how strongly and badly her neediness is for the relationship, and yet she is not considering the character of the man. He is willing to leave her under this circumstance, so therefore his character is quite unstable in terms of having a stable loving marriage, or stable loving partnership. This is where many people skip over many issues.

AJ: In the scenario I just gave, who has the primary responsibility? Well the man is firstly threatening the woman with, "I am not going to look after the child, and I am not going to have a relationship with you if you have this child." So there is the threat towards the woman. The woman obviously believes the threat, which is her first error emotionally. Secondly, she is willing to sacrifice the life of a child for the sake of pandering to this perceived threat, which is another emotional injury where she is willing to tell herself, "This conception is not a life, it is not a developed child, so I can get rid of it now and I am safe in this relationship." So can you see her feelings of a lack of safety in not having a man in her life, not having a father in her life, and a lot of other things would cause her then to take the action?

AJ: The issue of the emotional reasons of why a person would take the steps of having an abortion is very, very complicated, and I have just given one of many hundreds of different emotional reasons. The emotional reason is never the same for any individual person, ever. You will see commonalities, but each individual person has specific differences that cause them to think differently and emotionally respond differently.

Interviewer: In my case, my first abortion was similar to that where my husband didn't want the child and he paid for me to have the abortion. But I did not give it another thought.

AJ: And why didn't you? Because society had already told you something that you wanted to believe. Society is telling you, "This is not a child yet!" And so there is an acceptance inside of you that it is not a child yet. Even though if you tuned into your feelings, you would have been able to feel the soul of that child already connected to you. But you pushed that away so there was an acceptance already through society that it is not a child yet until a certain age. Hence the Webster dictionary commenting that it does not have viable life yet, so it is not really a child yet; not actually understanding how the process of conception actually works.

6.1. A child is comprised a soul as well as a physical and spirit body

AJ: There is this belief system throughout the planet through science and the medical profession that the child is not a physical entity, not understanding that the child is not only the physical. The physical is just a body that the child uses, and the spirit body is also a body that the child uses, but for a different dimensional existence. The soul is the real child which was connected to these two organisms even before they became an embryo. It is the soul, connected to these two organisms, that is absorbing the experience. It is actually the soul which now feels every single piece of physical pain that that organism experiences; the soul experiences all of that. This physical body and spirit body were created, through this process of conception, to enable this soul to have an experience in both the physical world and the spirit world.

AJ: Unfortunately man is capable of killing the physical body. The emotions in different people, through choice, make them capable of killing the physical child, not understanding that it is not the actual child, and the spirit body is not the actual child either. The actual child is the soul, the half of the soul in fact that God created, split at incarnation, and that particular soul is absorbing the experiences of these bodies.

AJ: So when someone puts it in a vitamiser and destroys the physical body, all the pain from that action is absorbed by the soul. And when people start understanding that, then they will start understanding what is really going on with any of these things, with regard to conception, the pregnancy, abortion and miscarriage, and a lot of other issues as well.

Interviewer: We have obviously chosen through our history not to feel this.

AJ: Yes although when you talk to mothers, when you talk to a mother who would love to have a child, she knows straight away, generally, when she is pregnant. It is only the ones who would not like to have a child for all sorts of reasons, and some of the reasons you can understand completely. There are many people in the Catholic religion who are forced by the Catholic faith to have child after child after child. By the time they get to the fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh child, and they are not allowed to take contraception, they are now starting to become overwhelmed by the process of being a parent. So of course they are now going to start considering what actions they are going to take that might be in disharmony with morality. Even though the Catholic religion states that they don't agree with abortion, the Catholic religion states that they don't agree with contraception. If you ask the 1.5 billion Catholics on the planet how many have contraception and whether they have had an abortion, most of the people who are a part of the Church would be actually shocked with the results.

AJ: That demonstrates that there is something further and deeply wrong, and that is what I am saying about the cause. There are causal reasons that are deeper than just discussing the effect of abortion. Abortion is the effect of the underlying emotional reasons, which are very different for each person.

7. The emotional impact of abortion on the child

Interviewer: You were talking about the pain that the soul feels. Does the soul feel any pain during the experience? Does it feel physical pain as well as emotional pain?

AJ: Yes, both. The emotional pain in particular is the worst pain for the soul. The soul is now just connected to a spirit body, and there are nurses in the spirit world that will take the aborted child and look after the aborted child.

AJ: One of the biggest problems the nurse faces is actually to have the child feel loved, when it has already been rejected by its own mother and its own father. Most of the time both the mother and father have rejected it. This child arrives in the spirit world with huge emotional issues of rejection. As a result of that, these spirits who look after the child keep the child very close to them and constantly emotionally remind them that they are now loved, even though their mummy and daddy did not love them. This is a very emotional process, and it takes quite some time before that aborted child releases those emotions. Because the child has very little intellectual capacity to resist the emotions, when the child arrives in the spirit world, it often spends days, sometimes months, depending upon the severity of the problem, crying as a result of the rejection, without even knowing why it is crying. It has a large amount of sadness and grief to work its way through.

AJ: Once it works its way through that grief, which is a fairly natural process, and the spirits look after the child so that it does experience that grief, it does not generally then feel a connection to its parents. It is not emotionally connected to both parents on Earth because both parents rejected it, and both parents have very little love for it. It very rarely visits the parents. It is only when one or both of the parents start thinking about the aborted child, and starts having some growing feelings of love towards the child, that the child might enter a relationship with them again.

Interviewer: And that could be a very long time.

AJ: It could be a very long time or never in some cases. There are many women who have passed over into the spirit world who have had abortions on Earth who are still in what you would classify as the hells of the spirit world, and who are yet to have a feeling of love towards their aborted child.

Interviewer: From my point of view, if I had not have heard some of your teachings about God's Laws, I would not have been open to them existing. I did not want to feel it or think about it.

AJ: Exactly. Many women who have had abortions on Earth pass into the spirit world without even a concept that the child exists in the spirit world and they could easily find them if they wish to, and actually even learn about them and discover them for the first time.

AJ: There are many women in the spirit world when they first pass over, who have committed an abortion or have had abortions on Earth, and there are many men in exactly the same position. Remember I am not separating the men from the women here, because the fathers have just as much of a responsibility, or more responsibility. There are many women who have had forced abortions through the men they have been with and the men bear very severe responsibilities, not the women in those instances. The men who have forced abortions upon their wives bear severe responsibility. Many of those men pass over without any idea of what they have done, and wonder why they are sitting in the depths of darkness in the hells of the spirit world for long periods of time. Believing themselves to be a good man, or a good woman all their life without conceiving the abortion is the reason why they are in that condition.

7.1. Differences between late term and early term abortions on the child's experience

Interviewer: Does a late term abortion have different impacts on the soul of the child to that of an early term abortion?

AJ: Yes, it does. The more the child is developed inside of the womb, the more emotional attachment it has towards its environment including its mother and its father, and more strongly it can feel the sensations of its physical body. So if a late term abortion occurs, the child has very, very strong sensations from its physical body. If you compare that to somebody taking the morning after pill and aborting the child at that point, the physical sensation is very different.

AJ: The emotional sensation is also very different because the child has had the chance to attach emotionally to the emotions of its parents while it is in the womb. As of a result, the longer it stayed in that condition, the more connected it is to the parents' emotions. And so when it is rejected through a process of an abortion, it does have a very strong emotional reaction to the abortion in comparison to the firstly conceived child.

AJ: The firstly conceived child might cry for a few days or a week of human time about its rejection, but because it is now receiving a lot of love from other people in the spirit world, it can easily re-attach to those people as its parents, if you like.

Interviewer: Does it have a concept of love at this stage?

AJ: It has a concept of love at that stage because built into all of us is this underlying feeling that we know when we are feeling love and when we are not feeling love. It has a concept of love at that stage. It does not have an intellectual understanding of how it feel, such as, "Oh, that is the feeling of love." It does not know that – it just feels.

AJ: Whereas a child aborted at say five months into its term, it has five months of connection to its mother; it now has a far more developed physical body, and in a lot of ways almost a completely developed physical body. Most of its limbs are now present, and there are many other parts of its body that they are aware of. And when the child is aborted, it goes through quite a lot of physical pain, and also quite a lot of emotional pain because of the loss of the connections that it had developed up until that time. A child in that condition may cry even up to a year in the spirit world when it first arrives. Most of them would cry up to three months of time until they release those emotions regarding how they feel, and then they have the chance to bond to the person who is caring for them in the spirit world.

Interviewer: That is quite disturbing for me because I was in denial that I was pregnant in both my instances and almost rubbing vanishing cream on my tummy. Both of my abortions were late term abortions.

AJ: The key is to allow yourself to feel the emotion. The beauty of this whole thing is that the abortion is the effect. This is the thing to remember. It is the effect of a number of causal emotional issues inside of a person. You taking a late term abortion was the effect of a number of issues. Firstly, it was the effect of you remaining in denial that you were actually pregnant and wanting to deny that you were pregnant. There is that effect, so you need to examine why you wanted to remain in denial that you were pregnant. Why did you want to ignore that you were pregnant? There will be all sorts of issues; there will be the father's opinion of the pregnancy, the father's view of your relationship, your own opinion if you have a child as to how it will affect the father because he is so anti in having a child. There are all these factors of why you wanted to remain in denial.

AJ: And also there would have been a host of belief systems that would have been part of this. The belief system that it is not really a child until it comes out of my womb in a natural birth, or in some kind of birth process such as a Caesarean Section.

AJ: There is this thinking which often amazes me. Often the same doctor that often performs the abortion is happy to perform the abortion with the justification of certain actions before the full term of the pregnancy. But when the child becomes full term, the same doctor will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of his own time trying to save that child in a humidicrib, or something like that. This is one of the conundrums of the human concept of life. Unfortunately we have a very ill defined view of the concept of life, on the planet. As a result of that we take completely the opposite actions that you would expect under the circumstances.

AJ: The reality is from God's perspective the child at the time of conception is now attached to the organisms that are now growing in the mother's womb, which eventually turn into the embryo and the foetus. At the moment of attachment, that particular soul of the child is now experiencing life through that connection. It is experiencing emotions through that connection. It is now experiencing physical sensation through that connection. Even though it is not intellectually conscious until the time that the brain of both bodies develops, it is emotionally conscious because the soul is emotionally conscious at the time of conception.

7.2. The emotional impact of medical staff who carry out abortions

Interviewer: You mentioned doctors and nurses. For people carrying out those procedures, or encouraging or defending abortion, what is the impact on their souls?

AJ: There is a very large effect. Every single one of these people, generally, if they don't change their actions and don't feel sorry for their actions at some point whilst they are alive on Earth, will pass into the hells of the spirit world and then go through a process of coming to realise what they have done. Once they realise what they have done, they are able to progress in the spirit world and get out of the condition that they were in. But many abortionists are not aware that they assisted murder after murder after murder from the perspective of God's Laws, and therefore they arrive in the spirit world with a lot of justification for their actions, but also in a very dark condition. Many of them remain in that condition for many hundreds of years. I have seen many remain in that condition for thousands of years.

Interviewer: I saw an American program on television, which was an anti-abortion program. It was about a doctor in America who ran an abortion clinic. This man had performed thousands upon thousands of abortions, and throughout the interview he was in total denial. His health was appalling, he was in bad shape, and my heart just went out to him. Because of the denial he had, he justified his actions down to every level. But looking at him physically, he was a very unhealthy man.

AJ: It is sad because a lot of the times many of these people, these doctors and so forth who commit these abortions, do not realise that they often have large numbers of spirits connected to them also justifying taking those actions. It often takes their passing, and then there is a disconnection from the people who are with them from the spirit world who are influencing their decisions. It often takes many hundreds of years afterwards for them to actually realise that, "Wow. I have committed all of these murders and justified those actions".

AJ: Once they do, then there are two ways they can progress. One way is that they have to pay for the pain of every one of those children who has been aborted by them. Or they can go through a process of repentance, which is a process of grieving through all of the reasons why you chose to take such actions.

AJ: It is possible for these people in the spirit world to actually get out of their condition as well. This is why I don't have judgement of them, I am just saying that they are in disharmony with the Laws of Love and the principles of love, and there are consequences to any actions that we take that are in disharmony with the principles of love. Any person can go through a process of clearing away for themselves the reasons why they do such things. Every person can change even if they pass into the spirit world.

7.3. Abortions can be atoned for by repentance on Earth or in the spirit world

AJ: This is something where I have a big disagreement with the religious movement, because many religions say that once you set your life in a certain pattern here on Earth and you die in that condition, then your life in the spirit world is fixed. This causes a lot more pain in the spirit world because there are many people who have come to terms that they have done wrong things whilst here on Earth, but once they enter the spirit world they feel their life is fixed and there is nothing they can do about it now.

Interviewer: This concept has caused me enough pain after meeting you, let alone when I get to the spirit world, because it is an easy way out now that I have recognised it.

AJ: The key is to recognise that we can change at any time in our lives. We can come to terms with what we have done here on Earth, or we can come to terms with what we have done when we are in the spirit world. We have a choice to do either. My recommendation to all persons is to do it while they are here, because they will have much more fun in the spirit world after they pass if they do that. But they need to understand to a degree God's Laws on many matters. God's Laws about life and the abortion issue is very much about God's Laws about life.

7.4. Believing an aborted child will have a better life in the spirit world is not a loving justification

Interviewer: Some say, "Aborted children are much better off in the spirit world than they would be with me because I did not want them; I was not able to love them."

AJ: I agree that a child is much better off with a person who loves them, rather than with a person who does not want them and is willing to reject them. I agree with that statement. However, the mother is skipping over a lot of issues and emotions when she makes those statements. She is skipping over the fact that she has committed a murder from the perspective of the Laws of God. And she is skipping over the fact that she has caused a lot of initial pain for that child. That child has got to feel a lot of grief, and go through a lot of things that it would not have normally had to gone through if it had a different life.

AJ: The mother is telling herself a story so she can avoid some of her feelings of sorrow. My suggestion to mothers who are doing that is to stop doing that, and start allowing yourself to feel the child who you have aborted. Allow yourself to feel the real reasons why you aborted, rather than just looking at the effects. Sure, it is better that the child is with a person in the spirit world who loves the child, but better still would be the child being with the person who loves them on Earth.

7.4.1. Experiences of a child growing up on Earth vs. in the spirit world

AJ: Now the reason for this is for many of these children who pass over into the spirit world without first being born on Earth, have a struggle to understand life to a large degree. Earth is what you would classify as the nursery of our human existence. And like in any nursery, you learn basic things in a nursery. God intended for all of humanity to go through the nursery. If you go through the nursery there is a higher likelihood that you will learn these basic things about life, and basic principles about love.

AJ: When a child is aborted before it has that opportunity to learn about life and to learn about love in some way, it has a bit of a struggle initially to come to terms with both those things; how to exercise its life and also what love is, and how love is to be expressed. There are people in the spirit world who assist the child to go through such transitions, but unfortunately it is a lot harder for them than if the child was on Earth going through the same transition.

Interviewer: I agree with that concept, but the way the Earth is today it is hard to come to terms that the nursery on Earth would be better than the nursery in the spirit world, based on the conditions on Earth today.

AJ: There are things they can learn from the nursery on Earth which are very difficult to teach in the spirit world nurseries. There are a lot of reasons why the format is different in the spirit world, as well as very different in the way that the child learns. On Earth there is this natural progression in the way that learning occurs. Whereas in the spirit world, children who have been aborted have to be taught how to learn. That takes the child a much longer time to come to terms with, than if they were on Earth in a condition where they are being loved. In the spirit world, these aborted children firstly have to go through these terrible emotions of rejection, not being wanted, not being loved; all of these terrible emotions are the first emotions that they experience.

AJ: For that reason, unless the child is looked after very carefully, much of their life can be dictated by those particular emotions for a specific time in the spirit world. If the child was loved at the beginning of its conception and loved through the process, then the primary emotion that it is experiencing right in the beginning of its life is love. Love, not rejection, not hatred, not fear, not any of those other emotions. Any child who is born on Earth through the natural process has had some experience of being loved, at least. Whereas in the spirit world, every single child who has been aborted has had as its very first experience one of rejection, not being loved, not being wanted, not being cared for, not being desired. Imagine your very first experience of life, instead of it being this feeling that somebody wants you and, this feeling that somebody loves you, and this feeling that someone cares for you; it is this terrible feeling that nobody wants me, nobody loves me, and nobody cares for me. And you do not have the intellectual awareness to not absorb these feelings.

AJ: There is no way of saying that mummy is just having a hard time at the moment, because its mind is not developed at this stage. It is just getting a barrage. There is no thought like, "Daddy just has a problem with responsibility." There is no possibility of those thoughts passing through its mind, because its mind is not developed. All it is doing is receiving this huge barrage of negative emotions, for which it has no other experience that it can compare with. It only has those emotions.

AJ: If you can think about it like that, you can start to understand how difficult it is when the child arrives in the spirit world. Whereas, the person who has gone through the development with mum and dad and they desire their company, who at least desires life, even if they know they cannot look after them. Let us say it is a twelve year old child who has become pregnant and knows she cannot look after it. If she just desires the life of the child to carry it to full term then give it up for adoption, the child at least has had the experience that its life is honoured. And the mother who is a twelve year old child has had enough love for this child to carry it full term; for nine months she has enough love for the child to survive that period of time.

AJ: That child has a far bigger head start in life than the child who has been aborted and passed into the spirit world. The child who has been aborted and passed into the spirit world has a whole range of very difficult emotions, of which it has nothing to compare with, having no experience before it has the ability to grow. As a result of that, its growth is quite stunted in the first part of its life. Whereas the child coming onto the Earth where there is violence and where there is trauma and problems, at least they experience somebody respecting their life. At least they experience somebody wanting to carry them full term. Somebody who has enough love for them to experience one of their first experiences, love, instead of them experiencing hatred or resentment or rejection.

7.5. Emotions that aborted children go through

Interviewer: Would one of the emotions that an aborted soul in the spirit world experience be self worth?

AJ: Yes! Terrible issues of self worth until they have released all these emotions of rejection and being unwanted. Consider how the average person on Earth is with self worth, the aborted child spirits have the worst imaginable conditions of self worth than any person on Earth could imagine when the aborted child first passes.

Interviewer: For nursing in the spirit world, would that have to be part of observing failure to thrive, a term used in nursing for babies?

AJ: In the spirit world, there are groups of expert spirits who take on all of these nursing duties for aborted children. There are many billions of women spirits who are involved in this job. These spirits are very well versed at how to help the child work through these initial emotions; their feelings of low worth, their feelings of rejection of not being wanted, feelings of nobody having respect for their life, and all the other feelings that aborted children feel.

AJ: These women and men spirits are very capable parents. What they do is they help the child go through the pain of their initial existence, and then because of their attitude towards the aborted child, the children do end up with self worth, and they do end up not feeling rejected anymore because the children release those emotions. It is important to understand that the child does not remain in those conditions when it arrives in the spirit world because of the help it receives. It is important to understand that, "Oh they have passed and everything is happy for them," this is not the case at all!

Interviewer: What is the process on an average?

AJ: Let's say the mother took the morning after pill and she was pregnant. For a child aborted using that technique, it might have a week or two of crying to do in the spirit world. It will have no conscious thought as to why it is crying, it just feels unhappy and it will cry for a week or two. It still has to go through all these other issues, but now the nursing mother has the ability to give it the feeling that it is worth something, give it the feeling that it is cared for and is wanted. Give it all the feelings that it never got from its parents while it was on Earth. The mother and father in the spirit world (often it is both or either) who do this give it those feelings, so after a few months of its existence in the spirit world, it starts to feel that it is worth something, and it starts to feel that it is cared for and feels wanted.

AJ: In the case of a child that has been aborted late term, let's say it was aborted in the fourth month, although some are even aborted much later than that. Those types of children already have large amounts of issues when they pass into the spirit world. So their grief may last much longer. I have seen children still crying a year later in the spirit world; a year of Earth time. Imagine them crying for an entire year without any stopping. That is what it is like for them, lots of grief to release. They take longer also to absorb the feelings from the new parents because they are still connected to the old parents. And because of that they are still connected to the rejection that comes from the old parents on Earth. They have to be taught how to completely disconnect emotionally from the parents on Earth so that they no longer absorb the emotions coming from those parents. And be taught how to absorb emotions from parents who now care for them. This process may take a year of full on grief, and it might take three or four or five years now for the spirit in the spirit world to help the child to completely disconnect from the parents on Earth, so that it may now absorb some of these more pleasant emotions from the spirits that care for them.

Interviewer: Is that soul growing at the same rate as it would have been on Earth?

AJ: No. Obviously, if the very first experience of a soul is one of rejection, lack of love, and so forth, it has a big effect on the soul's ability to grow and also the body that is attached to the soul. The spirit body of the child is stunted for a period of time as well. The spirit carers help the child work through the different emotions. It is quite difficult for the child in the spirit world from a physical perspective, as well as it is from a spiritual perspective.

Interviewer: I am having difficulty visualising nursing a little embryo.

AJ: You are thinking of the physical perspective. It is more about the emotional issues going on between the spirit parents and the spirit embryo. Yes, it is a little body; some of it is very undeveloped and quite tiny. From a spirit person's perspective, they can often hold it many times in one hand in terms of caring for it, but they know how to care for all of its physical needs and all its emotional needs. Consider how an Earth doctor holds a physical baby that is three or four months premature.

Interviewer: I used to hold them in one hand and make up their bed.

AJ: Spirit mothers can have multiple children to care for. The children sleep a lot because they need to sleep a lot to be able to grow. They still continue to sleep in the spirit world for a fairly long time, particularly if they have been aborted or miscarried. Because of that, one spirit mother can share the role between many spirit babies. There is a great amount of love given to these children, far more care than anyone on Earth could imagine. You have to go there and see it before you can understand how much love they receive.

8. Miscarriages, premature births and still births

Interviewer: Would you put miscarriage, premature births and still births under the same category as abortions?

8.1. Miscarriages are due to emotional injuries in the parents

AJ: No. If you look at an abortion, an abortion is a purposeful decision taken by one or both parents to terminate the life of the child. What I would classify as a miscarriage is taking the life of a child, but not understanding the reason why. Many parents, who have miscarried, have no understanding as to the emotional causes as to why the miscarriage happened. Some view it as, "God took it from me." Some view it as a physical problem in their body. Some see all sorts of reasons as to why a miscarriage occurs. Each one of the reasons is linked to different emotions. Very few people who have a miscarriage look at the emotions associated with the miscarriage.

AJ: A lot of times for the children who are conceived they feel heavily oppressed by the emotions. One emotion that causes a lot of miscarriages is a deep desire in mothers to become a mother. That might sound a bit strange, but many women on Earth do not believe they are a real woman until they become a mother. Therefore, to them becoming a real woman is dependent upon having a child. Because of that, this emotion is projected at the child and so the child is already seeing the role that it has. And that is, it is helping the mother to become a mother. The child is not been loved under those circumstances, it is being selfishly taken from. There are many other circumstances whereby the unborn child is being selfishly taken from. It repels the child from the womb so strongly that the child can no longer maintain a physical connection between its soul, and the physical body. As soon as a soul cannot maintain a connection between the soul and the physical body, the physical body will terminate.

AJ: Many parents do not understand the emotions that are causing miscarriages. I would call that an unwitting abortion in a way. There are emotions inside of the parents which they do not understand and are unconscious of or are ignorant about, that cause the child to miscarry. The key is to address those emotions. If you address those emotions you will never have another miscarriage. There are many women who have many miscarriages, and if you address the emotion that causes the miscarriage you will never have another miscarriage.

AJ: Some women miscarriage boys and some women miscarriage girls. If you know the gender of the child you have miscarried it will tell you a lot about the emotion and the affect it has. For example, many boys are miscarried because women hate men. They don't want to bring another man into the world because they perceive that it will be like the men they see around them, and so they often want to miscarriage the male child.

AJ: Was it Henry the Eighth who had all of the wives, many of whom miscarried but gave birth to girls? A lot of that was caused by the emotions inside of him, the king himself, and also the emotions of resentment inside of the women towards him as of a result of his emotion. This caused them to attract girl children, or boy children who then miscarried.

8.2. Emotions create premature and still births

AJ: With regard to a still birth, there are a number of different emotions there as well. And for premature births, there are also a number of different emotions. The key is to understand the emotions. Once we understand the emotions and clear them away from the soul, then those events won't occur.

AJ: The interesting fact about all of this is the huge amount of resources keeping children alive after they have been born, or dealing with those kinds of issues can actually be repaired by actually sorting out the emotions of the parents. When the emotions in the parents are addressed, then we can start to have a lot more safe births, a lot more births that are very natural without having any complications. Even complications during a birth are actually caused by certain emotions. If you can address those particular issues emotionally, we can get to a stage where every woman on the planet gives birth, and gives birth without any complication, and without needing a doctor or a nurse or any other person around them. Just like a cow in the field can give birth in the same manner.

8.3. The emotional impact of miscarriages vs. abortion on the child

Interviewer: Does the soul still have to experience all the same pains as an aborted soul as well?

AJ: No, because the aborted soul has the additional pains. The soul of a miscarried child has different types of pains associated with it. It still has pains. Every situation is individual, every situation is unique. We are trying to generalise situations that are unique, but let's make some generalisations.

AJ: The soul that is aborted has to go through the sense of being immediately rejected, of not being wanted, of not being loved, having no worth, its life not being respected, and so forth. For the child that is miscarried, its life is generally respected; therefore, it does not have to go through that emotion. Its life is generally desired so therefore it does not have to go through that emotion. It is generally wanted so it does not have to go through that emotion. But there are other emotions that it might have to go through. For example, if it is a male child and the mother has huge amounts of rage towards the male that she has not released, then he has to go through the emotion of being hated as a boy. So the child that is miscarriage goes through a different set of emotions to that of a child who has been aborted. And the same applies to a still birth or a premature birth.

Interviewer: There are still pains for them to experience but it is based on different emotions?

AJ: It is based on different emotions and it is also less directly connected to the attitude of the parent of wanting the child to die. With a miscarriage, usually the parent does not want the child to die. Often what they are doing is putting roles upon the child even before the child is born, which is part of the problem with a miscarriage. Whereas with an abortion, the parent wants the child to die. There are a whole set of different emotions involved with what the child has to address, and of course the parents need to address. It is always both parents, and it is not just both parents' emotions; it is their belief system that also generates a lot of this.

AJ: If I have been brought up to believe that a child is not a child until it is in its third month, then of course I am going to consider abortion between the time it is conceived and up until the beginning of the third month. If that is how I have been brought up to perceive things. If the medical profession says that to me as well, I now have a medical justification, a so called scientific justification for my decision, which will also have an effect on my decision. The government supports that, and I now have an additional justification for my position. These are all belief systems that cause me to take the life, and these belief systems all have to be addressed, because they are all out of harmony with the gift of life that God has given.

9. God views the "rights" of children as gifts to give children

Interviewer: Does the unborn child have rights?

AJ: It is interesting how a lot of people see a lot of things as rights. The way God sees them is as gifts, and the way I see them is as gifts as well. Many people think free will is a right. No, free will is a gift that God gave you that can be used. Many people see sex as a right. No, sex is a gift that God gave. Many think sex is a right, which is often the cause for rape. Love is a gift, it is not a right. It is the greatest gift we can ever give somebody is the gift of our love. But it is not a right that they can demand of us to give.

Interviewer: That does make sense, so, does the unborn child have rights, such as the right to care, the right to protection, and the right to life?

AJ: Let us look at it from a gift perspective. If I loved the unborn child I would want to give it protection, I would want to give it security, I would want to give it the feeling of my love, I would want to care for it, I would never wish that any of my emotions and physical actions harm it. If I really loved my child, I wouldn't necessarily see that as the rights of the child, but I would see that as something that I desperately would want to give to the child, because of the feeling I have of loving the child.

AJ: Also, if I saw the child not as my child, but I saw it as God's child, for whom I am now responsible for because I chose to actually conceive this child, then I would also have a far different way of looking at things. Wouldn't I? Instead of seeing the child as someone who I could boss around, someone who I could brow beat into submission, someone I could train to become just like me. I would see the child as someone completely different to that. I would see my responsibilities also differently. Instead of seeing the child grow up and become a mini-me, I would wish the child to fully know itself, and fully discover itself. And I would also wish the child to fully discover how to love and how to use its free will in a manner in harmony with love, rather than out of harmony with love. I would therefore show the child that there are consequences for the use of its will out of harmony with love.

AJ: The child can be taught many things through this process, and I could learn many things through the process. Most parents know that they probably learn more, initially, than the child learns in its first few years of the child's life. The parent can also learn about what unconditional love is really like. When the child is screaming you still have to love the child and care for the child, you start to learn what unconditional love is to a large extent.

AJ: I sort of see the relationship between parent and child more as a relationship between custodian and the child, because the parent is God. All we have is custody of the child until such time as the child is self sufficient. We have the responsibility to help it understand principles such as the principles of life, the principles of love, the principles of gifts that we have – the gift of free will, the gift of life, the gift of love. As a parent, we would make a choice to automatically offer the child those gifts, even the unborn child, even more so for the unborn child than the born child. I feel, because the unborn child is more sensitive emotionally to these gifts than the born child is. The reason why that is, the unborn child is sitting inside of the emotional soup of its own mother, in the mother's womb, and that is as close as it could possibly get. During that time, it is essential that it receives these basic gifts from the mother as well as the father. But I wouldn't call them rights; I would actually call them gifts that we have the potential to give the child.

AJ: Now, of course, God designed the system so that we would want to give those gifts, but unfortunately many of us have become a bit distorted in our own natures and we have walked away a lot from God, and we also have walked away a lot from love, so we have become quite selfish and self absorbed as a human race. As a result of that, we don't respect these gifts that God has given us, so therefore we don't respect those same gifts given by God to the little developing child inside of the womb.

Interviewer: Do these gifts become active immediately?

AJ: As soon as the soul comes in, it has the ability to experience these gifts. If the parents love the child from the moment of conception and want the child, then the child feels tremendously loved and cared for and wanted. In that condition, it finds it very difficult to absorb unhappy emotions while it is loved so much and wanted so much. Even if the parent has an unhappy emotion, the child just still feels cared for, wanted and loved. It can observe its mother crying without absorbing the mother's sadness because it still feels loved by the mother. But when the mother or the father goes into fear or anger or other emotions like that, now it is not absorbing those particular feelings, it is absorbing a completely different set of feelings.

AJ: This is why it is so important for parents to develop enough where they can consistently give the feeling of love to the child. If it does not happen consistently, then the child experiences grief. So every time the mother becomes afraid or angry, or the father becomes afraid or angry, now the child is experiencing the emotion of grief, the withdrawal of love.

10. What happens to children after they die

Interviewer: Can we talk about the afterlife of the aborted child? We already know where the little souls go and who takes them. Can an aborted child, or a miscarried child, or a premature baby never become Earth bound? Do they always go to the spirit world?

AJ: It is very rare for an aborted child to become Earth bound to their parents. The reason why is that it has already been rejected and of course it is going to go where love is, rather than getting rejection. It is very hard for such a child to become Earth bound.

Interviewer: Would that be because it does not understand free will?

AJ: No. It is because it feels no attraction to its mother because of the rejection from its mother and father. It receives no attraction to its mother and father. If the mother aborted the child and the father wanted it, then the aborted child would feel a connection to the father, but not to the mother. That being said, it will not be Earth bound because the spirits in the spirit world would give it most of its love, most of its care.

10.1. Some aborted children are held Earth bound by other Earth bound spirits

AJ: However, I must point out, there are a very, very large group of aborted children who are Earth bound, that are prevented from entering the spirit world into the spheres, and also from getting any assistance. There are these groups of other Earth bound spirits who grab these children and hold onto them very, very strongly before they actually complete the process of passing. These spirits hold these children in the Earth bound condition because of their own condition. For example, there is a group of Chinese women spirits who are very, very angry with the government regarding the one child policy. For every single child that is aborted in China, they actually try to grab hold of the child and nurse them themselves, rather than allowing them to go to Summerland and be looked after by spirits in a higher condition. And those particular aborted children are Earth bound.

Interviewer: Are their intentions good intentions?

AJ: Their intention is based on rage, so an intention based on rage can never be good. Their intention is based on rage with the government; the Chinese government in this case. They see their rage as a justified rage, and so they are justifying holding onto the children. There are many Celestial spirits at the moment waiting to take these children and give them a much better environment to grow up in, but these children are being held onto by these spirits. Unfortunately these children are not being assisted, and as a result they don't grow very well either. They are very stunted in their growth and until these Celestial spirits can hold on to them and help them, they will remain so. But these women spirits are in a rage towards the government, that keep these women spirits on Earth, and that is what causes them to grab hold of the children as soon as they pass. So there are Earth bound aborted children, but they are not connected to their parents.

Interviewer: You say they are stunted in growth. Do they get to a stage where they will activate their free will?

AJ: It is very hard for them to grow in this condition. They don't have much of an intellectual concept of what they are doing; they are bound by the desire of these spirits to be bound to them. Because of that, they can potentially stay in this condition for hundreds of years, without really knowing they are in that condition. It is a very sad condition for the aborted child, but it is also driven by the rage these women spirits feel towards the government. If these women spirits could release some of their rage, as there are some people trying to help them to, that would also help release some aborted children so that they could go their way and be looked after.

AJ: I just need to clarify that there are no aborted children who are actually connected to their mother or father who aborted them. But there are aborted children spirits who are Earth bound because of these Earth bound spirits catching hold of them, and having a very strong feeling that they need to protect and look after them. And that binds them together. So what we are trying to do is assist those groups of spirits so that they no longer do that, and then those people best suited in the spirit world can look after the aborted children.

10.2. Mothers grieving a miscarriage can cause a child to become Earth bound

AJ: There are also many miscarried children who are Earth bound because of some connection emotionally to the parent who constantly thinks of them, and this is particularly the case when mothers grieve their miscarriage for long periods of time. When the mother grieves the miscarriage for long periods of time, a lot of mothers do not realise that they are actually drawing the child back to them every time they grieve for them. It is very difficult sometimes for the nursing parent in the spirit world to keep a hold of the child, as it will be drawn back to the mother on Earth. What often happens is the nursing parent in the spirit world then tries to assist the mother to work through her grief about the miscarriage in an appropriate way, not in a selfish way.

10.2.1. Emotional reasons for miscarriages

AJ: A lot of mothers grieve miscarriages for incorrect reasons. A lot of times the grief is associated with selfishness they have inside of them, rather than grief for the child. In other words, they are grieving their own life rather than grieving for the child. A lot of times they are grieving what a pregnancy and birth would mean to them. For many women, the birth now means that they are now a mother. This emotion often causes the miscarriage in the first place. So when the miscarriage occurs they are now grieving that they have missed out on this opportunity to be a mother.

AJ: Often they have a lot of unworthy feelings they need to work through that have no relationship to the child itself, but have every relationship to what they believe to be the child's role. Often times the mother is not grieving about the child itself, or the potential connection with the child. The reality is that there is no loss of that potential connection. The child has the ability to come and visit you whenever you want, and also a lot of mothers do not realise that in the sleep state they have the ability to play with their child whenever they want, and to be with their child whenever they want. In fact, many mothers take full responsibility for the care of their child while they are asleep. It is only when they come to Earth that they can't feel the child around them, and so many mothers are feeling the grief of that.

AJ: Many mothers do not realise that they still have a child, and because of their belief about death being final and certain, they feel they have lost the child, but in the sleep state they still have their child and their child still interacts with them, they still nurse the child. Everything happens in the sleep state. They only remember that once they go to the spirit world and remember the whole experience.

Interviewer: A lot of their grief could be from the loss of those feelings in the sleep state?

AJ: Yes, a lot of the grief can be associated with that. Most of our grief is to do with emotions inside of ourselves that are quite self absorbed, but we need to feel it. We need to go through the process of feeling it, but sometimes we create emotions within us that are not the real emotions that we need to feel. For example, the mother who is grieving her miscarried child is often grieving for the loss of the child, without realising what she needs to grieve is why she had so many demands upon this child, that the child felt repulsed, and therefore could not live in the womb anymore. She needs to feel those emotions, and yet they are not the emotions that are felt and so the mother gets pregnant again and has another miscarriage, and goes on to have a series of miscarriages, as a result of these emotions. Sometimes some of this grief fortunately comes up for the mother after the miscarriage, and eventually the mother can hold the child full term because she has dealt with enough grief, and enough demand to actually no longer have the demands on the child, where the child feels repelled.

AJ: This is going to be fairly controversial for many of our dear sisters on the planet who believe that miscarriages are caused by some other thing.

Interviewer: I have a lot of emotions about this. It is quite sad.

AJ: The key for us to remember is that if we know the cause of anything we can solve all of them. This is something that all the people need to remember about every problem. If you know the cause of why somebody murdered, you can solve it. You can actually help the person correct emotionally the cause. The same applies to an abortion; if you know the cause as to why a mother chose an abortion then you can solve it, so that no more abortions can occur. If you know the cause of a miscarriage, you can also solve it, and so therefore no more miscarriages would occur. And there would be less amounts of grief on the planet as a result. And this is the beauty of knowing the truth. This is what I would encourage mothers to do and fathers, as this also involves the father's emotions, not just the mothers. It is possible for the mother to have a miscarriage because of the father's emotions.

Interviewer: From my experience it is usually the mother who grieves the most, unless the male is in denial.

AJ: The reason often why women develop too soon is because of this same emotion, this emotion that they have got to be a mother before they can actually be a woman. That is a very deep belief for most females on the planet that they have got to be a mother before they are a real woman. Many women project that at those who have never been a mother, as well. "Oh you have never been a mother so what would you know!" Like that kind of emotion is being projected.

Interviewer: When I had my son, it was like this secret society appeared that didn't appear until I gave birth.

AJ: This is all part of this problem. This is a lot about the separation of the genders, the actual disharmony, the unloving emotions between males and females on the planet cause a lot of these things. The cause of these issues are not simple, they are quite complex emotionally, but we need to understand the beauty of knowing the cause, rather than judging the cause. There is a difference. If I know the cause without judging the cause, I now have the ability to fix the cause. In the case of miscarriage, if I know the cause without judging the cause, even if I am the mother who has miscarriage; if I stop judging myself I now have the ability to emotionally work my way through that cause to such an extent that I can address the issue emotionally.

AJ: I have known women on the planet who have had a miscarriage that I would actually term as an abortion. They had no desire to carry the child, they wouldn't go and do the physical act of an abortion and so what they did was actually had a feeling in the body that they wanted their body to expel the child, and it did. I have also known women who have had miscarriages who felt overwhelming grief of having a miscarriage that they cannot really understand. They do not get why it is so over whelming. They have never met the child and yet that is the feeling they had.

Interviewer: I was feeling in the interaction there the selfishness of the mother's grief. The child has moved on and is being well looked after but the mother's grief pulls it back. I was feeling that because my two terminations were all about selfish reasons. This miscarriage was also a selfish reason.

AJ: A lot of times miscarriages are for very selfish reasons. Remember it could be selfish reasons of either parent. Not just one of the parents. It could be selfish reasons of the male.

10.2.2. Emotions surrounding the parents desiring a child of a specific gender

Interviewer: The male may want to have a male son.

AJ: And the woman or mother may feel that the male might reject the child if I have a girl and he might be feeling, "Why would I want another woman in my life?" The father may have all these angry based emotions against the mother and daughter, and if the child is a girl child she is automatically feeling this. The mother now goes into this state where she is terribly afraid of what is going to happen to her in this life with this father. Because of the terrible fear experiences with the unborn child, she cannot maintain a connection between herself and her own body any more, and it just severs, and once it severs the physical body of the unborn child self aborts. But it is mostly the parents' emotions that sever the child.

Interviewer: Upon being born, being the fifth daughter, I felt a lot of emotions. My mother knew instantly that I was a girl.

AJ: Your mother was able to feel the commencement of the pregnancy; she was able to feel the little soul?

Interviewer: Yes, she was in total fear of me being a girl. I remember being born feeling this, having that fear. My father wanted a son.

AJ: This was your mother's fear about not being a good wife if she gave birth to another daughter. Many women have had that emotion throughout history, as you could imagine, where men have project huge terrible emotions towards women about what gender they want their child to be. These men are often primarily responsible from a soul perspective for the miscarriages of the children.

AJ: We need to always consider it isn't just the mother. When we discuss abortion or miscarriage, many men go, "Oh, it is not my problem, my wife miscarried." No, we need to look at ourselves, fellows! You need to look at yourself and examine yourself because it is not just your wife's emotions for this particular event occurring.

Interviewer: But we women do not look at our males when these events occur either.

AJ: Of course. Many women have this viewpoint, "I am the mother. I have a more important role," which is also part of the problem. Many mothers have all these emotional injuries about being a mother, and for some women it is the only thing that brings joy to their life. Of course they are going to have a great degree of ownership, which is out of harmony with love as well. There are a whole host of emotions involved with the whole process of becoming pregnant, conceiving a child, bringing it to full term, and giving birth to it, and even bringing up a child. There are all sorts of emotions that are imposed upon the children, which we could release as parents, and therefore have much more sound, emotionally stable, and physically capable children then we currently do have.

10.3. Teaching children who have passed about God is based upon the child's desire

Interviewer: What time frame, on an average would aborted souls take to become at-one with God?

AJ: It is very different. Most, but not all of the nursing people in the spirit world are at-one with God, they are Celestial spirits, or they are on that path. The reality is that they don't ever force the child to make the choice to desire God. So what often happens is the child is educated through their desires. As the child builds their desires to know truth, then the surrogate parent in the spirit world actually educates them with the truth about what the child desires to know.

AJ: So if the child never desires to know about God, then of course the parent never educates the child about God. Everything is based on desire and passion of the child. What they try to do in the spirit world is they do discuss God of course as a concept, just like you would probably discuss God on Earth as a concept. But they allow the child's inquisitive nature to determine the course of all discussions.

AJ: This is something that is very different to what happens on Earth. On Earth the adult forces the communication on the child, whereas in the spirit world it is the child's inquisitive nature that generates the discussion. What spirit nursing people do is that they create the environment around the child to encourage the inquisitive nature. You see, nowadays parents have moving things in a nursery for the child. They do that so the child wants to grab them, so now it is developing physical sensation of touch, and having coordination and all these other things that it would not normally do if those moving things were not present. It is very similar in the spirit world but far more developed.

AJ: In the spirit world, there are literally hundreds of thousands of things in the child's environment that are created, so that the child wants to know why, or the child wants ask the question. The spirits design the environment specifically so that the child can ask questions about anything, including questions about God, but they wait for the child to express that desire rather than forcing the knowledge upon the child.

AJ: For that reason many of the children don't find the Divine Love Path for many years, or even hundreds of years after they have been aborted or miscarried. The reason for that is they have desired to follow the intellectual path that many people follow on Earth. And now, they are often in the sixth or fifth dimension in the spirit world, in a perfect place of natural love, still being very inquisitive about creation but not asking many questions about how that creation got there.

AJ: Basically what I am saying is it is the same as for anybody else. Just like on Earth, there are many people who don't ask those questions about how creation got there and all those kind of things. They want a physical resolution to spiritual problems and issues, which is the same for a child in the spirit world, once it has got through its hurt of being aborted, or it got through some of its pain of miscarriage.

10.4. Connecting with the parents depends on the parents' desire

Interviewer: When the child gets through that pain, does it have a desire to connect with its parents, or would it be based on the Earth parents' longing?

AJ: It would always be based solely on the longing or love coming from the parent. For example, a mother aborts her child when she was young. She was told all these stories or she just believed what her partner said to her. Then when she was in her late twenties, she started wanting to have a child and then she realised that she had aborted a child and she felt some grief about it, so she cried about that. She cried about how her partner at the time forced her into it, she cried about her willingness to terminate just because of the relationship that she now does not have. She dealt with a lot of that, and she had a longing to know this child. If she was aware that this child existed and had a longing for the child, the child would come straight to her.

AJ: Many people who have discussed this issue of abortion with me have since met their aborted children, and entered into a relationship with them. They can feel the aborted child around them and enjoy the company of that child, and they know that they spend time with them in the spirit world when they are asleep, and so they have entered into the relationship again. In practice what happens most of the time is that most people want to remain totally unaware of an abortion, totally in denial of the effects of it, totally in denial of anything about the abortion. Most people on Earth and many people in Western society have no concept that an aborted child is actually still living. As a result of that, they don't imagine they can have a relationship with them. Therefore, most of them only do so when they discover them in the spirit world after the parents have been educated about those matters.

Interviewer: In the spirit world after the parent has been educated about these matters; would the parent still have to have a desire before the child would come to the parent?

AJ: Yes. It has to be a pure desire, it cannot be one based on selfish reasons, or anything like that. Many of the women who have had abortions and miscarriages, when they pass into the spirit world do meet up with their children and do work through the emotional reasons why they have done it. It is less frequent that the men do it, and that is why many of the men remain in the dark conditions for longer.

10.4.1. An illustration of a man who forces his wife to have an abortion

AJ: To illustrate, if I as a male have forced or tried to force my partner into an abortion and she has taken that action, I bear a large degree of the responsibility of the abortion. When I pass into the spirit world, no matter how good my life has been elsewhere, I would still be treated like I have been the murderer of the child, and therefore I have to work through that issue. Now, many men are in so severe denial of that issue they spend many, many years trying to work out why they are still where they are in the spirit world, before they realise that it has something to do with them forcing their wife or partner, or one night stand, into having an abortion. So then they generally go through the same process as the women, but many of the women feel a bit more connected to it because being the woman you carry the child inside of you, and it is much more difficult to be in a large amount of denial about the issue when you pass. For a man, he can be in a large amount of denial for a longer period.

Interviewer: For a male they could have repented on lots of things during life, but be so totally disconnected from that which is now keeping them in that dark place; just that one thing!

AJ: Yes that one thing. Many of them take tens or hundreds of years to work through the issues. Slowly, slowly they realise and then they have the realisation, "I forced my wife to have an abortion, and if I had not done that she probably would not have had the abortion. And it was only her fear of losing me that caused her to have the abortion." Then he would have a lot of grief about the fact that he forced his wife to do something that was against her own will, just for the sake of him, and he would have some kind of recollection of that. And then he would be in a repentant phase and progress swiftly upwards to another dimension in the spirit world. He would go from the hells in the first sphere, to a higher first sphere condition by having these realisations. Many men don't realise that this is one of the main reasons why they don't progress is because they almost view the abortion as their wife's responsibility.

11. Soul damage created in the parents who abort the child

Interviewer: Does the damage caused to the parents' soul, who have aborted a child vary in degree due to the circumstances of the time?

AJ: To a degree, Barbara. We have talked about the soul damage to the child, and the soul damage to the child is quite intense. For the parent it actually depends on how the parent works through the issue of repentance. If the parent is not sorry for what they have done then the Law of Compensation begins working upon the parent's soul immediately, as soon as they have committed the abortion. As a result, their soul is automatically in the state of a murderer in the spirit world and if they passed at that point in time, they would pass into a very similar location to what a murderer would pass into.

AJ: Many people do not realise that many of the justifications for an abortion are very similar to the justifications that a murderer has for murdering. If they started to see the co-relations they would realise what is going on. You see, many murderers take the act for the sake of other people. Many murderers do a murder because of the influence from others, such as spirits and other people on Earth. Many murderers take the act because; "I am a white person so I can murder a black person because he is less than me." Many murderers take that action, and justify it based on a belief. This is exactly the same as what an abortion is, a justification based on a belief.

AJ: Many people in the spirit world and on Earth need to see that much of the justification for an abortion is very, very similar to many of the justifications that a murderer internally has for murdering. The only difference is, because of this belief system where society, and particularly Western society, accepts the abortion as not being murder.

AJ: From God's perspective, the law is consistent right across the board, so if I choose to take the life of another person, it doesn't matter if that person has just been conceived, or eighty years old, or anywhere in between, then I bear some culpability for the decision. There is a soul based reason within me, and the soul based reason within me is the lack of respect for life, the lack of respect for the persons own choices and a number of other things. For every person the reasons or justifications for it are different.

AJ: For example, some people would never ever accept an abortion except if they had been raped by a black man and she is white, then they would consider an abortion. Then, if that is now the case, she obviously has issues of racism that she needs to work her way through, and the stigma of what that would be and so forth.

AJ: Others would only consider it as a condition of rape. So they would never usually consider an abortion, but if they had been raped they would definitely want to abort the child. There are issues of the child's life. The child is not responsible for the rapist actions. Unfortunately, many times we see the two as being connected but the child is not responsible for the rapist's action. We would be better off carrying the child to full term and giving the child to a couple who want to love that child, if we are challenged by loving the child ourselves. I know many people who have been raped on Earth and still loved the child. But if we don't feel that we are capable of that, then we are better off to give the child to another couple than we would be to abort the child. Then have the child go through all these really hard experiences as well as the hard experience of being rejected.

AJ: If we understood the full situation, we would generally make different decisions and choices. But it does damage the condition of both parents and it depends on who is primarily responsible. If the father forced the mother to have the abortion, and in fact historically some mothers have been tied down and forced to have an abortion, under those circumstances the father would bear total responsibility for that. The mother would bear none whatsoever. And it goes from that extreme, right the way through to where the mother decides to have an abortion without the father's involvement or knowing.

AJ: Now, if you think about all the emotions involved, you can go from one extreme of emotions where the father is all knowing and forcing the mother through force and violence to have the abortion, right the way through to the mother knowing and the father not knowing at all, and she having an abortion. In between that, you can imagine there are a large amount of different emotional injuries between those two extremes of the scale. As a result, those emotional injuries cause us to take an action that darkens our soul further, and those emotional injuries are present in our soul.

AJ: But also the action, which is different to just the thought of the action; we might consider an abortion but then decide against it; is not the same as having the abortion. If you have an abortion, you have taken the action which has forcibly removed someone from their experience of life on Earth. And there are quite severe consequences to that in terms of our own soul, in terms of the darkening of our own soul, the lack of love within our own soul that would cause such a condition. So we need to work through those particular consequences with regards to love.

AJ: We need to stop viewing it as a permanent condition. We can work through those consequences. We don't have to judge ourselves. We can go, "Okay, this is what I did, I can work through the reasons why I did it, I can work through it so much that I will never consider doing it again, under any circumstances, if I work through all the issues." And that is full repentance.

11.1. Abortion takes the gift of life away from the child that has been given by God

Interviewer: Does the parents' free will come into play? What about the woman's right? Surely she has the right to decide this? We all have rights.

AJ: Let us address the issue of rights. Remember, free will is not a right, it is a gift.

Interviewer: You look at the word "rights" it has such hardness to it, and anger to it. When you look at "gift" it has generosity and softness to it.

AJ: This weekend I am giving a talk about free will and I will address many of the issues about the gift of free will, not the right of free will or the law of free will. It will be about the gift of free will. If we understand that everyone has the gift of free will, then we would understand that our child has been given that gift to the same extent that we have. If there was any sense of equality in the mother, she would recognise that she does not have the right to take away the gift of free will from another person, which is what she is doing.

Interviewer: We are using the term "right" in the wrong part of the sentence.

AJ: Yes. The reality is, if I loved the child, I would recognise that it has been given the gift of life by my Parent, God. So if I loved my child I would be recognising that it has been given the gift of life, not by me, I do not have the right to decide for my child, because my Parent, God, gave the life. And therefore the gift of life wasn't mine to give or take away. I was not able to either give or take away this gift of life. And if I take it away forcibly, then I am automatically saying to that person who gave that gift of life, that I have the right to take away your right to give the gift to whoever you want. The reality is that there are quite severe consequences to that. That is why murdering has quite severe consequences on the soul because we have actually taken away this gift that God has given to a person that we personally do not have the ability to give, that is the interesting thing.

AJ: We have no idea how conception happens. Scientists still have no idea. On Earth, mankind really has no idea how conception happens or what happens. We describe it, but we have no idea about the marvel of it all. We often call it, "The gift of life," and yet we are perfectly able to take away someone else's gift of life, and that indicates that there is a large degree of self justification and selfishness in that act.

Interviewer: By you explaining it that way, I can really feel the severity of that. It is huge in comparison to some other things.

AJ: Very big. I have no right to take away the gift of life from another person, just as I have no right to take away the gift of free will from another person. And I have no right to take away anything from another person in fact, anything they don't want to give.

12. Soul attachment and conception

12.1. Erroneous beliefs about gender differences in soul attachment

Interviewer: Soul attachment. Founders from the Christian religion, St Augustine and Thomas Aquinas followed Aristotle's argument and decreed that the foetus acquired the soul after 40 days for male and after 90 days for female. Now, I am not sure why males acquire a soul before females; I find the concept really funny.

AJ: It is not true, of course. Obviously these men, both Aristotle and these men in the Dark Ages were part of the church, Holy Fathers, were all living in a male dominant society. So they were always justifying the position of the male in comparison to the position of the female. They were always justifying different perspectives about both the male and female. If they new medically what happened in the development of the child while in the womb they would have very different opinions, but because they were driven by this underlying emotion that men are better than women and men have more value than women in God's eyes. They then came up with these justifications as to when a girl child foetus becomes a person, and when a boy child foetus becomes a person.

AJ: It is just an indication in a lot of ways of how poorly developed men have been in the past. Even religious men in the past, thinking in their arrogance that somehow they would be treated differently by God than a female. The reality is that both genders are treated equally, each are of equal importance according to God, and once the human race begins to realise that, there will be tremendously more changes than there currently are on the Earth now, and this would then reflect that condition.

AJ: It is a pretty condescending viewpoint towards women. It is a viewpoint that still exists, however. It is highly inaccurate, it is very condescending, and it has no understanding of God in it. These religious men have no understanding of God when it came to women. As a result of that, they perpetrated a lot of lies about women. It is no wonder that many women find religion quite abhorrent nowadays as a result of these lies that have been perpetrated about them. "Their lesser connection to God" has always been the innuendo of these religious leaders. The reality is that women can connect to God just as any male, and often are more connected to God than any male because of those male based injuries.

Interviewer: There is 50 days difference there! A lot can happen in 50 days.

AJ: It gives them justification to terminate a few more women. It is basically saying that a male is not a child until 40 days in. It is basically saying that in the first 40 days you can terminate the male, but if it is 90 days, you can terminate the female. That is pretty poor. If you think about the subsequent results of such unloving theories, it just causes the death of a lot of people, of which they have to bear some responsibility.

12.2. The soul can only ever attach to one body

Interviewer: We have talked a fair bit about the soul already, but once a soul is attached and it is aborted, can that soul attach to another body?

AJ: No.

Interviewer: It is a once in a lifetime chance.

AJ: Yes. Why God created the incarnation process is because at the time of incarnation we become self aware. There is only one primary purpose of the incarnation process and that is for the individual person who is unaware in the spirit world to be split into its two halves, and then go through a process of growth and awareness. Once the incarnation process has completed, it has a spirit body attached to it. Once that spirit body is attached to it, it can continue the process of self awareness even if it does not exist on Earth. For that reason, any child who has been aborted does not need to come back to Earth to continue the process of self awareness, to continue the process of its own incarnation. Or you could say to continue the process of individualisation.

Interviewer: To ease my mind a bit, what I told myself in the early days was that if you aborted a child and there was a soul attached then the child could say, "No she is going to abort me, so I am going to hop over here."

AJ: A great justification for the reincarnation process. Isn't it? The reincarnation concept justifies many unloving actions. This is one of the sad things about the reincarnation teachings are that they justify the poor treatment of people living on Earth in a lot of areas, including the poor treatment of the unborn. Unfortunately, reincarnation justifies abortion to a degree by saying that the child has the ability to connect to another body. Reincarnation justifies things like being treated as a lower class of persons such as the untouchable class of persons in India. Reincarnation justifies that by saying that they must have done bad things in their previous life so now we can treat them badly in this life, because there previous existence justifies our treatment in this life negatively. If people were to analyse the teachings of reincarnation in terms of love, they would soon see that reincarnation cannot actually be a true teaching because it justifies many unloving behaviours.

13. Repentance and abortion

Interviewer: Let us go onto repentance. I know it is a favourite topic of yours. If we need to become repentant for our actions, why don't we already at a soul level know that it was wrong? Are we so disconnected and in denial that we don't comprehend?

13.1. Reasons for detuning from the emotions associated with having an abortion

AJ: A lot of times, yes. If we were given an upbringing of love we would already know what is right and was is wrong without being told. The beauty of having an upbringing that is in harmony with all of the Laws of Love is that you would automatically instantly know whenever an action was taken out of harmony with love. The unfortunate thing is that on this planet at the moment we are being brought up in an environment that does not understand love. So now we automatically have distortions about what is loving and what is not, which we accept as belief systems, and we automatically detune from our emotional state as well to a large degree. We are automatically shutting down how we felt about a certain thing.

AJ: If you asked most women about an abortion and how they actually felt, most women say that they felt some degree of distress during the act of deciding, deciding to have an abortion. It is rare in fact for women to say that they had no emotion about it, and say, "I was fine." There is generally some emotional response that they had to it. This is why they go through this initial turmoil before they have an abortion, and their conscience is already working, telling them that they don't feel settled with it.

AJ: What happens though is we have to come up with a heap of intellectual arguments that cause us to feel settled. What the intellectual argument does is to cause us to dismiss this, dismiss that, to dismiss this feeling, to dismiss that feeling. "Oh, what about the feeling I could feel the child" dismiss that, "That's impossible." We dismiss all of these feelings. So what do we end up with is an intellectual argument, and an intellectual argument is always going to be in favour of a justification of an act that is unloving when I want it to be that justification. I will use my intellect to justify my unloving acts because that is the direction that I want to go. And unfortunately because I have done that, I have now taken an action that has severe consequences both on my own soul and the soul of others, and in the case of a twin or triplets inside the womb, many others.

AJ: At the soul level we are completely able to be sensitive and aware to love and aware every time the principles of love are broken. However, because we often have selfish desires and motivations, and we have all been brought up in societies with selfish desires and motivations, what we finish up doing instead of that is we take actions that are justified by the intellect with no connection to the emotions of love, and that is why we end up taking the actions we take.

Interviewer: And that totally explains my actions.

AJ: Yes, If any person sincerely looks at this issue of abortion, when they look at what I have said about those kind of things, they will be able to trace back all of these justifications, all of these feelings they had, all of these things that made them feel okay about the feelings they actually had that were distressing to the point of why they made the decision. We have a lot of internal justifications and external justifications, the medical system, our husband, a partner, society; there is justification after justifications that are all intellectually based. None of them are connected to emotions, and none of them are connected to love. These justifications cause the taking of an action that is quite harmful to both the child and to the persons who have made that choice.

13.2. Steps to repentance

Interviewer: So how do we as parents, both parents get to the stage of grief and remorse? How do we get to the stage of repentance for the things that were usually done a long time ago?

AJ: Yes, it could be twenty, thirty, or forty years ago. Usually there are steps to repentance. Unfortunately whenever a person is told the truth about something the initial response is anger. So there will be many people who listen to this interview who will then feel quite angry towards me about this issue. Angry about abortion and even angry about the issue of miscarriage because what I have said is quite confronting about that issue. Their anger is an indicator that they are hiding some fears inside of them and underneath their fears is some grief.

AJ: The first thing they do when they go through this process is that they first feel anger. And how long they want to hold onto this anger is how long it will take for them to get to the next step. The next step is generally fear. Fear of the truth, if you like. Why do we fear the truth? If it is true then we have a lot of crying to do. We have a lot of grieving to connect to. What we eventually do is that we connect to the grief of taking the action, but we also need to connect to the grief of why we took the action, and that in itself is a complex issue, as we have already discussed. So why a man takes this specific action will be completely different than why a woman might take the action. And with every couple their reasons will be completely different from each other. If we were truly repentant we would allow the resolution of these particular issues that we have inside of ourselves. We would go through the process of looking at the causal emotions as to why we took the actions.

AJ: Can I use you as the example? With your first abortion, your husband didn't want the child. You weren't married at the time and you were around 16. So, all of a sudden the justifications are popping up. "I am young; I don't feel I can cope with bringing up this child, particularly alone. I wasn't married, so there is the stigma of not being married and having a child. Then there is the issue that my partner, husband to be, did not want the child either, because he felt challenged by his emotional responsibilities, financially, and all sorts of things."

Interviewer: And I am sure that my father comes into that somewhere.

AJ: Okay, your father will come into there somewhere. You can add all that up, and it is quite easy to write down all the reasons why you did it. What I would do if I were a mother or father who has been involved in an abortion, I would write down what my true feelings were, what all of my reasons were, what I really wanted, what I was afraid of, what I was angry about and why I finished up making the final choice. For every single reason I write down there is usually some emotion connected to my childhood, my belief systems, to my religious upbringing or to some other reason, and I need to work my way through them and find the truth about all of them. What is truthful and loving instead of why I justified it. And once I do that I will recognise the truth about every one of those issues, and I would grieve the unloving position. I will then work through the reasons why I did what I did.

AJ: Once I have worked through the reasons why I have done what I have done, now I have cleared away from my soul the underlying reasons why I did it, and I have a feeling of remorse for having done it. I will probably at that point also want to or wish to connect to my child. I won't avoid my connection to my child.

13.2.1. Spirit influence can disturb the process of repentance

Interviewer: Every time I get to the stage of some grief and emotions, I'm shown pictures that they are happy, they are good. That takes me out of that emotion.

AJ: What is happening is that you have surrounding you a group of women spirits who have also had abortions who want you to just be happy. And they also want you to avoid the grief of the abortion itself. So every time you go into the grief about the abortion and you start working your way through an issue, all they want to do is show you a pretty picture. It is true that your children are now very happy, and they are very content, and it is a true picture of how they currently are, but the spirits doing this are only doing this to help you get out of the emotion, which is not a very loving action. They are doing that because they don't want to feel the same emotion that you are currently connected to. It is not a loving action on their part of helping you deal with the effects of the abortion. They also need to go through the same emotion and they don't want to. They feel extra motivation to give you a pretty picture and help you get out the emotion that you are connecting to.

Interviewer: If I persisted with that, connected with the emotion and pray?

AJ: And connect to those female spirits who are giving you those pretty picture, and talked to them about, "Okay, you think you are doing the right thing, but the reality is, as we have discussed, my child have felt all this pain, my child has been in pain for a significant amount of time, and I'm responsible for that. I need to be sorry for that." You can talk to the spirits with you. "And you need to be sorry that you did the same thing to your children, and you need to have a degree of responsibility for that as well. The reason why you spirits are where you are is that you are not letting yourself feel the grief."

AJ: There are Earth bound spirits who go around the Earth connecting to women who have had abortions who feel bad about it, and they try to make the woman feel good about it. That is all they do. And all they try to do really is to try to make themselves feel good about their own abortions that they have committed. If they chose to take a different action, they would do a very different thing. A Celestial spirit guide would not assist you to avoid an emotion; they will not give you pretty pictures while you are going through an emotion. They might give you one afterwards, but not during. They might come and reassure you afterwards, saying, "No everything is fine now, and the child is fine, you can meet them if you want," and all those kind of things. But they will not reassure you of it beforehand, before you go through the emotion. These are darker spirits who are yet to even enter the spirit world, they are Earth bound who want to avoid their own responsibility for their own actions, and so they want to help you avoid your responsibilities for your actions too.

AJ: I find it very interesting in New Age circles that many women have been given these pictures as a justification for their abortion, and it even encourages those same women to have future abortions, which is very sad when you think about it, in terms of what these spirits are trying to accomplish.

Interviewer: So their actions are actually encouraging you to having further abortions? Is that done deliberately by them?

AJ: Yes! Many of them believe it was fine to have had an abortion, "You should have done it under those circumstances!" and they are actually encouraging women to have abortions. How many women on Earth feel bad about having an abortion? And yet their environment all around them, including their women friends, encourages them to have an abortion. Where do you think that influence comes from? It comes from many of the women spirits who have had an abortion who are yet to deal with the fact that they are murderesses. That is where that comes from.

AJ: If you are in the spirit world, with what happened hundreds of years ago the primary cause of abortions were related to the men. Nowadays, unfortunately, much of the causes of abortion are related to the women. As a result of that, there are many more women passing into the spirit world in the condition of a murderess (who is someone who has committed murder), more so than there were many hundreds of years ago. If you think about a modern woman on Earth who is under 30 years of age – many of them would instantly consider having an abortion if their circumstances where not completely right to have a baby. So what is happening now in the spirit world is that up to 20% to 30% of women of a certain age bracket and lower who are actually having the abortions. Every one of them ends up becoming a murderess, everyone of them enters the spirit world in that condition unless they work through these issues before then.

13.3. Adoption is a loving alternative to abortion

AJ: This is what I feel is very sad on the planet. We see a growing number of women who would not be murderesses under normal circumstances, who are now through our society's acceptance and through a lot of other factors now are justifying the murder of children. This is a very damaging thing to women's general plight. It would be far better if women went full term and gave away their child. However, there is so much stigma about that, that most women cannot even consider to take the child to full term and then give away the child because of how much of society would say, "What kind of a mother are you?" Yet society does not say, "What kind of a mother are you for having an abortion?"

Interviewer: I remember when I was nursing, there was a campaign going on at the time, and the phrase was, "Is adoption the best option?" It was encouraging women to go full term and then adopt.

AJ: There are many women on this planet who would love to have a child or more children, and they cannot. There are many single women who would love to have a child as well. There are many people on the planet who would willingly take up a child. But adoption is so difficult because of the legal problems associated with adoption. It is made so difficult because of the general attitude of humanity. This attitude, that if a mother gives away her child then she is a terrible person. That is an underlying cause of why the attitude is so bad. If we had a totally different attitude it would be a really loving process to take the child to full term, and then give it to a person who has a desire to look after the child and love the child.

AJ: I really liked a movie that I would advise people to watch which is related to that kind of thing – it is called "Juno". Faced with an unplanned pregnancy, an offbeat young woman makes an unusual decision regarding her unborn child. It is just a lovely example of a young lady who decided to take the child to full term, and all the ostracism that she had to put up with from people around her. But she was quite definite, and the amount of love that she had in her to do that. It is a lovely movie demonstrating what I feel is possible.

AJ: Unfortunately though, there are a lot of complexities with taking a child to full term when everybody around you feels differently. So therefore there is a lot of peer pressure and external pressure to terminate. There is lots of pressure to terminate under all sorts of circumstances, including the possible defamation of the child and other circumstances. These high amounts of pressure result in women taking decisions that they often later regret.

Interviewer: Did we cover repentance enough?

AJ: There is a lot more that could be said about repentance. Mary and her book group are going through it, which is a different subject in its own right. We have a lot of things to repent for, not just for committing abortions. It is a subject that needs to be focused on quite a lot. If we can understand that if we do not repent for actions that we have taken out of harmony with love then the Law of Compensation, the law of what you sow you will reap, will definitely come into action. While many of the people on Earth don't experience that, or are not sensitive to that while they are on Earth, they will definitely experience that in the spirit world. So if a person decides to ignore all of what I am saying about abortion while they are on Earth, and they decide not to deal with their emotions while they are on Earth. They will come face to face with the exact same emotions when in the spirit world, and have a very unhappy time after they enter into the spirit world unless they address those emotions.

13.4. Truth assists the process of repentance

Interviewer: How can we best assist our brothers and sisters in the spirit world to understand this process of repentance?

AJ: I feel that we are best to assist everybody, not just brothers and sisters in the spirit world, but everybody, to understand the process of repentance. One of the best ways to understand repentance is to actually tell the truth. If you know the truth about something then you know what you have to be sorry for, and what you don't have to be sorry for. For example, religions on the planet often teach that masturbation is wrong. So many people pass over in a dark place believing that they masturbated a lot during their life, and as a result of that, they have passed over into a dark condition. They believe it because they were told that by the ministers or priests. This is an example of an untruth being perpetrated upon a person who on passing has no understanding that it has nothing to do with why they might be in a dark condition. An untruth, in this case, stops them from progressing.

AJ: Quite often it is the untruths that are the problems. So I feel that we need to understand the truth of the human soul, we need to understand the truth about the physical body, and the truth about the spirit body. We need to understand the truth about the creations of God. Once we understand the truth about the gifts we have been given, the gift of love, the gift of free will, the gift of life, and so forth, we will have a much greater capacity to connect to our own sorrow any time we have been in disharmony with these truths. If we don't understand the truth, or the truth is never discussed, or is ridiculed and laughed at, then in the end we cannot address the emotion because we are going to deny the emotion. And because we are going to deny the emotion we will never get past that point. Often times we will arrive in the spirit world not past that point, and often after many hundreds of years in the spirit world we may not have progressed past that point.

AJ: I feel that the primary way to assist any single person whether they are on Earth or in the spirit world is to tell them the truth. Not to judge them because that is very unhelpful, and it is also very unloving. Just tell the truth, just like I have in this interview with you. Tell the truth of how it is. And then let the persons come to their own conclusions and their own process. If you don't tell the truth then you are not giving the other person any opportunity to grow. The more we speak the truth to women, who have had abortions, the more we speak to our women friends in the spirit world and on Earth about the issue of abortion, the more truth they will know. The more truth they know, the less inclined they will feel to make decisions that are out of harmony with love, and out of harmony with truth. That is a natural consequence.

AJ: If we don't say any truth then we are not assisting anyone, including ourselves. And it is also very important not to say it in a spirit of judgement, because the judgement in itself will prevent the person from accepting the truth. So what we need to do is to state the truth without the corresponding feeling of judgement. When you first came and discussed abortion with me you did not feel judged? Even though I spoke the truth, I still loved you, I still hugged you, and I still cared for you in exactly the same way before and afterwards. And as a result of that, you know that there is a higher likelihood of the person receiving the truth to progress.

13.4.1. Delivering truth with judgment makes the repentance process harder

Interviewer: It is a totally different feeling when discussing something with you, compared to someone who is judging you. I now realise truth with judgement can never enter you.

AJ: You have to be a very humble person with judgement for truth to enter you. It is possible for truth to enter you even though it comes with judgement, but you have to be a very humble individual for that to occur. You have to cope with quite a lot of hard emotions, which most people find very difficult to cope with. It is much easier for a person who hasn't that degree of humility to accept truth without judgement. Judgement in itself is an unloving act. It is an act based on violence; it is a way of attacking the person. Any attack, whether it is emotional or physical, is an act of violence. A judgement of another person is an act of violence perpetrated by yourself towards the other person. If we judge any person, including a person who has committed an abortion, a person who has raped a person, a person who has murdered, a person who has child molested, and we keep listing all these different things we might feel judgement about. If we judge them, it is very hard to help them heal, and it is very hard to help them change. And often there is quite often a lot of anger inside of us, which is about our own hurt and our own feelings of sadness and grief that we need to experience. Those emotions even prevent those people from healing, because they have to be very humble to absorb our judgement if they are going to heal.

AJ: It is far better if we can discuss these truths openly without judgement. Now everybody has the ability to go, "Okay, if I had an abortion, AJ is saying that I haven't got to be hard on myself here, I have to work through the emotions. I don't have to feel condemned by the universe, but I have to work through the emotions. If I don't I have some issues with life, I have some issues with free will, I have quite a number of issues that are going to make my soul dark. I can address those particular issues and if I can do that without judgement. Now I have the ability to recover from them a lot more easily than if the world around me judges me completely for that action."

AJ: This is why anger, the "Right for Life" movement in the USA for example, which is very much born in anger from a lot of people, does not have very much effect upon people who have abortions. It has so much judgement towards them without any understanding of all the conditions that created it. The people who committed abortions feel even more resistance to even listening to the truth of it. That is why I feel that those types of movements are not very beneficial in the end. They would be beneficial if they were brought into harmony with love without the anger, without the judgement. But with anger and judgement, they are not very beneficial, they only add to the problem.

14. Closing Words

AJ: Were they all the questions? There is a lot more that could be said on any subject.

Interviewer: I have a collection of hypothetical moral questions that have come from the community at large. So a second session would be great if you are okay with that?

AJ: Sure. All hypothetical situations are interesting because they do help us to analyse a lot of issues. The problem with a lot of hypothetical situations is that we need to include the analysis right across the board, not just the central topic. A lot of these questions will raise issues about many different matters rather than just the matter of abortion. That is important.

Interviewer: That's very true; these are great questions that are all encompassing.

AJ: I don't mind handling them as long as in the next session we are willing to digress a little, because there will be issues and points of when a child is a child, and how incarnation occurs. My suggestion would be for those considering investigating this subject further, would be to consider watching some of the introductory talks that I have given. Such as "Overview of Divine Truth - The Secrets of the Universe", where I describe how incarnation actually occurs, the process of incarnation onto Earth, and the process of the creation of the bodies, and all of those kind of things. Then you will have a lot better background I feel to understand my answers, which I have given to you in this discussion, and also answers that we might have to these hypothetical questions in the next session.

Interviewer: Thank you, AJ.

