>> Andrew: GOOD EVENING, I'M 
ANDREW CHANG.
TONIGHT, REOPENING BRINGS RELIEF
AND TENSION.
>> SO YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE 
GOING INTO A STORE YET?
>> NO, AND I LOVE SHOPPING, SO 
THAT SAYS A LOT.
>> Andrew: ALBERTA TODAY, 
ONTARIO WITHIN DAYS, BUT THEIR 
APPROACHES ARE DIFFERENT.
>> Adrienne: I'M ADRIENNE 
ARSENAULT.
ALSO TONIGHT, VOLUNTEERING TO 
TEST A VACCINE.
>> PEOPLE MUST BE VERY CLEARLY 
AWARE OF WHAT IT IS THEIR 
-- THEY'RE CONSENTING TO.
>> Adrienne: WHY IT'S MORE 
IMPORTANT THAN EVER. 
>>> THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE 
PENALTIES AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO
PUNISH PEOPLE. 
>> Andrew: HOW FOLKS TAKING AN 
UNEARNED PANDEMIC BENEFIT WILL 
HAVE TO PAY IT BACK. 
>> Adrienne: AND SIDELINES.
BUSINESSES THAT SERVE 
RECREATIONAL.
>> ZOOM LESSONS IS GOOD FOR THE 
SPIRIT AND SOUL, BUT IT DOESN'T 
REALLY PAY THE RENT.
>> Adrienne: JUST WAITING FOR 
THE GAMES TO BEGIN, AGAIN.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>> Adrienne: REOPENING THE 
ECONOMY ANYWHERE IN CANADA RIGHT
NOW MEANS TAKING ON A TRICKY 
BALANCING ACT.
ON ONE HAND, THE NEED TO RELIEVE
VERY REAL FINANCIAL PAIN, AND ON
THE OTHER, THAT LIFE-OR-DEATH 
RISK OF A SPIKE IN INFECTION. 
>> Andrew: TODAY, MAJOR STEPS BY
THREE PROVINCES TRYING TO GET IT
RIGHT.
QUEBEC HAS SCRAPPED ITS PLAN TO 
REOPEN MONTREAL SCHOOLS AT ALL 
THIS ACADEMIC YEAR.
WITH CASES DROPPING SOMEWHAT, 
ONTARIO ANNOUNCED ITS RE-START 
WILL BEGIN TUESDAY AND WILL BE 
PROVINCE-WIDE.
THEN THERE'S ALBERTA.
ITS REOPENING BEGAN TODAY, BUT 
INFECTIONS THERE ARE SHAPING A 
DIFFERENT APPROACH.
ALL ACROSS THAT PROVINCE, RETAIL
STORES, DAYCARES AND MEDICAL 
SERVICES ARE REOPENING, SO ARE 
RESTAURANTS AND HAIR SALONS, 
EXCEPT IN CALGARY AND BROOKS 
WHERE CASE COUNTS ARE STILL TOO 
HIGH.
AS CAROLYN DUNN SHOWS US, 
THERE'S A PLAN, BUT NOT SITTING 
WELL WITH EVERYONE.
>> Reporter: BEFORE JEN 
OBOROWSKI CAN GET HER 
HIGHLIGHTS, HER MASKED 
HAIRSTYLIST MUST TAKE HER 
TEMPERATURE. 
>> I'M REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE SOME
NORMALCY, AND OF COURSE I MEAN 
THE ROOTS NEED TO BE TOUCHED UP.
>> Reporter: SOME NORMALCY, BUT 
NOT TOTALLY NORMAL.
FARMER'S MARKETS ARE COMING 
BACK, BUT WITH CAUTION, AND 
SIDEWALK CHALK REMINDERS TO 
SOCIAL DISTANCE.
IN RESTAURANTS, CUSTOMERS WILL 
BE SITTING FURTHER APART.
BARISTAS AND SERVERS LOOK LIKE 
HEALTH CARE WORKERS WHILE ACTUAL
HEALTH CARE WORKERS LIKE 
DENTISTS ARE EMPLOYING FULL 
INFECTION CONTROL. 
>> SO THIS IS WHAT A DOCTOR 
WOULD LOOK LIKE BEFORE.
NOWADAYS WHEN YOU SEE HIM FOR A 
PROCEDURE, LIKE A FILLING, WE 
HAVE A FULL HAZMAT-TYPE SUIT 
THAT'S A FULL BODY COVER. 
>> Reporter: BUSINESS OWNERS ARE
TAKING A LOT OF EXTRA STEPS TO 
OPEN THEIR DOORS FOR PHASE ONE.
BUT NOT EVERYONE IS GETTING THE 
CHANCE.
LIKE SOME IN CALGARY AND BROOKS,
ALBERTA WHERE INFECTION RATES 
ARE HIGHEST AND THERE CONTINUES 
TO BE COMMUNITY SPREAD.
>> WE HAVE TO RESCHEDULE YOU.
>> Reporter: SO THIS PERSON HAD 
TO TELL TWO WEEKS' WORTH OF 
BOOKED CLIENTS HIS CALGARY 
BARBER SHOP IS NOT ALLOWED TO 
REOPEN.
>> A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT HAPPY, 
YOU KNOW, WITH THE DECISION 
BECAUSE IT'S ONLY CALGARY.
SO PEOPLE CAN GO TO MANY SMALL 
TOWNS AROUND US. 
>> Reporter: HEALTH AUTHORITIES 
ARE ASKING PEOPLE FROM CALGARY 
AND BROOKS TO AVOID THAT 
TEMPTATION, RISKING FURTHER 
COVID SPREAD.
THIS CALGARY GARDEN CENTRE COULD
OPEN ITS DOORS TODAY, BUT IT'S 
STICKING WITH ONLINE ORDERING 
AND CURBSIDE PICK-UP INSTEAD.
>> JUST TO BE LIKE LEADERS IN 
THE COMMUNITY AND SAY WE'RE OKAY
AND WE CAN DO IT THIS WAY.
>> Reporter: AND THAT'S JUST 
FINE FOR MOST OF HIS CUSTOMERS.
>> SO YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE 
GOING INTO A STORE YET?
>> NOPE.
AND I LOVE SHOPPING, SO THAT 
SAYS A LOT.
>> Reporter: IN THE END, 
REOPENING WILL HAPPEN ONLY WHEN 
CUSTOMERS FEEL SAFE.
CAROLYN DUNN, CBC NEWS, CALGARY.
>> Adrienne: NOW ONTARIO 
ANNOUNCED TODAY IT WILL START 
PHASE ONE OF ITS RE-START ON 
TUESDAY.
JACQUELINE HANSEN NOW WITH WHO 
WILL BE ALLOWED TO OPEN AND WHO 
WON'T.
>> YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 
ABOUT 150, 200 GUYS.
>> Reporter: STARTING TUESDAY, 
NON-ESSENTIAL CONSTRUCTION 
WORKERS CAN PICK UP THEIR TOOLS 
AGAIN, ALONG WITH EXTRA 
PROTECTIVE GEAR.
>> I CAN SEE EVERYONE WEARING A 
MASK.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WEARING 
GLOVES MORE THAN EVER.
>> Reporter: RETAILERS WITH 
STREET ACCESS WILL BE ALLOWED TO
REOPEN, AND SOME HEALTH CARE 
SERVICES, INCLUDING 
POST-OPERATIVE REHAB. 
>> THEY'VE ADDED IN MANY 
POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SLEEPLESS 
NIGHTS DEVELOPING THESE 
PROCEDURES. 
>> Reporter: MARINAS, PRIVATE 
CAMPGROUNDS AND GOLF COURSES GET
A HEAD START ON SATURDAY.
BUT JUST BECAUSE BUSINESSES CAN 
OPEN DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY 
WILL.
>> BUSINESSES SHOULD OPEN ONLY 
IF THEY ARE READY.
>> Reporter: ONTARIO'S CHIEF 
MEDICAL OFFICER IS WATCHING THE 
CASE COUNT CLOSELY AND SAYS EVEN
THIS FIRST PHASE OF REOPENING 
ISN'T SET IN STONE.
>> THAT'S ASSUMING THINGS 
CONTINUE ON THE WAY THEY ARE 
OVER THE WEEKEND, NOTHING ALL OF
A SUDDEN URGENTLY HAPPENS. 
>> Reporter: THE OWNER OF THIS 
SHOE STORE HOPES THE PROVINCE'S 
GUIDELINES FOR PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING AND LIMITS ON THE 
NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN A STORE MAKE
REOPENING STRAIGHTFORWARD.
>> I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO 
HELP ME WITH MY OWN SORT OF 
NERVOUSNESS AND ANXIETY JUST IN 
TERMS OF ADHERING TO THE RULES 
OF THE PROVINCE.
>> THIS IS OUR PATIO.
>> Reporter: BUT MANY BUSINESSES
ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE GREEN 
LIGHT TO REOPEN, LIKE 
RESTAURANTS AND BARS.
>> WE WOULD HAVE A TABLE HERE, A
TABLE HERE, A TABLE THERE.
AND A TABLE COULD FIT OVER HERE.
>> Reporter: THE OWNER OF THIS 
BREWERY HOPES HIS OUTDOOR PATIO 
WOULD HAVE MADE THE CUT. 
>> THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF ME.
THERE'S ONE PART THAT WANTS TO 
REOPEN TOMORROW, OR YESTERDAY, 
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PART OF
ME THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT, YOU 
KNOW, THIS IS A PANDEMIC.
>> Reporter: OFFICIALS WOULDN'T 
SAY WHAT WOULD BE NEXT IN LINE 
TO REOPEN.
THE FOCUS FOR NOW IS JUST 
GETTING THROUGH PHASE ONE 
SAFELY.
JACQUELINE HANSEN, CBC NEWS, 
TORONTO.
>> Andrew: NOW ANY OTHER YEAR 
LOTS OF CANADIANS WOULD BE 
RACING TO GET OUT OF THEIR 
CITIES RIGHT NOW AHEAD OF THE 
LONG WEEKEND.
BUT THE PANDEMIC HAS SPARKED 
FEAR IN THE COMMUNITIES WE SO 
OFTEN TRAVEL TO.
FEAR OF WHAT HAPPENS IF PEOPLE 
ALL SHOW UP AND WHAT HAPPENS IF 
THEY DON'T.
HERE'S ELLEN MAURO.
>> Reporter: IN NORTHERN 
SASKATCHEWAN, A CHECKPOINT NEAR 
GREEN LAKE.
>> WHERE ARE YOU COMING FROM?
>> Reporter: MANY VISITORS OWN 
SUMMER HOMES HERE, BUT THERE ARE
FEARS THAT TRAVEL BETWEEN 
COMMUNITIES COULD WORSEN THE 
PANDEMIC.
SOME LOCALS IN MUSKOKA, PART OF 
ONTARIO'S COTTAGE COUNTRY, FEAR 
THE SAME.
>> IF YOU GET SICK HERE, WE 
DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
>> Reporter: HEATHER DONOVAN 
WORRIES ABOUT CAPACITY AT LOCAL 
HOSPITALS. 
>> THIS IS WHERE WE LIVE.
THIS IS WHERE OUR CHILDREN LIVE,
AND THE GENERAL FEELING IS THAT 
COTTAGERS, THIS IS A SECOND 
HOME, SO THEY HAVE A CHOICE.
>> Reporter: BUT THAT FEELING 
ISN'T SHARED BY ALL.
JORDIE NEWLAND CAN'T WAIT FOR 
HIS MARINAS TO REOPEN THIS 
WEEKEND.
LIKE SO MANY OTHERS HERE, HIS 
BUSINESS NEEDS COTTAGE OWNERS TO
SURVIVE. 
>> THE WINDOW IS SO SHORT TO 
MAKE MONEY, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL 
STAFF AND FAMILIES THAT RELY ON 
US TO HAVE JOBS, TO FEED THEIR 
FAMILIES.
>> Reporter: TO GO OR NOT TO GO 
TO VACATION HOMES.
THE DIVISIVE DEBATE NATION-WIDE 
WITH THE LONG WEEKEND LOOMING.
B.C.'S TOP DOCTOR HAD THIS 
ADVICE.
>> SO IF I OWN A SUMMER COTTAGE 
IN A SMALL COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, 
YEAH, LET'S GO THERE.
>> Reporter: BUT COME PREPARED.
>> LET'S BRING OUR FOOD WITH US 
SO THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING 
LINEUPS AND HAVOC AT THE LOCAL 
GROCERY STORE. 
>> Reporter: OTHER AREAS WANT 
VACATION HOMEOWNERS TO STAY AWAY
ALL TOGETHER.
>> YOU KNOW, YOU GO FROM SHOCK 
TO ANGER. 
>> Reporter: NICOLE'S FAMILY 
SAVED FOR YEARS TO BUY THIS 
PROPERTY ON LAKE ERIE, BUT IF 
THEY STAYED THERE NOW, THEY 
COULD BE FINED $5,000, ONE OF 
THE COUNTRY'S MOST EXTREME 
MEASURES TO KEEP COTTAGERS OUT.
>> WE ARE TAXPAYERS.
OUR FAMILY WOULD EXERCISE 
CAUTION.
WE WOULD ISOLATE.
WE WOULD BRING OUR OWN THINGS.
>> Reporter: INSTEAD, THEIR 
PROPERTY WILL SIT EMPTY.
THE UNOFFICIAL START TO SUMMER 
FOR LOCALS AND VISITORS ALIKE, 
STIFLED BY COVID-19.
ELLEN MAURO, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Andrew: YOU'VE SENT US MANY 
QUESTIONS ABOUT REOPENING, WHEN 
IT WILL HAPPEN, HOW TO DO IT 
SAFELY, WHAT TO WATCH FOR.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT THOSE 
QUESTIONS TO AN INFECTIOUS 
DISEASES SPECIALIST IN ABOUT 20 
MINUTES FROM NOW.
>> Adrienne: ON THE DAY THE 
GLOBAL DEATH TOLL FROM COVID-19 
SURPASSED 300,000, CANADA IS 
CLOSING IN ON 75,000 CASES.
THERE WERE MORE THAN 1,100 NEW 
INFECTIONS TODAY, NONE IN 
MANITOBA, NEW BRUNSWICK, 
NEWFOUNDLAND OR P.E.I., AND JUST
15 IN BRITISH COLUMBIA WHERE 
PROVINCIAL PARKS AND TRAILS HAVE
NOW REOPENED.
BUT QUEBEC CONTINUES TO TELL A 
VERY DIFFERENT STORY.
NEARLY 800 NEW INFECTIONS AND A 
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT HARD-HIT 
MONTREAL.
>> WE'VE CONCLUDED THAT THE 
CONDITIONS ARE NOT MET TO REOPEN
ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THE 
MONTREAL REGIONS, SO TODAY WE 
ANNOUNCE THAT SCHOOLS WON'T 
REOPEN UNTIL AUGUST.
>> Adrienne: THE STUDENTS IN 
MONTREAL WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAD 
BACK TO CLASS ON MAY 25, BUT THE
PREMIER SAYS THE REGION HASN'T 
SEEN AN ADEQUATE REDUCTION IN 
HOSPITALIZATIONS OR DEATHS.
HE ALSO ANNOUNCED THE REOPENING 
OF DAYCARE CENTRES IS BEING 
POSTPONED UNTIL AT LEAST JUNE 1.
>>> IN NORTHERN SASKATCHEWAN, 
RESTRICTIONS MEANT TO KEEP COVID
OUT COULD BE EXACERBATING 
ANOTHER ONGOING CRISIS.
LAST WEEK A TEENAGER ON WATERHEN
LAKE FIRST NATION TOOK HER OWN 
LIFE.
AS BONNIE ALLEN EXPLAINS, THERE 
ARE GROWING FEARS ABOUT THE 
EFFECTS OF SOCIAL ISOLATION.
>> THIS IS TYQUASIA ERNEST, AGE 
14.
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>> Reporter: AT FIRST, SHY, BUT 
THEN UNABLE TO HIDE HER SMILE, 
HER LAUGH, AND HER LOVE OF 
TRADITIONAL DANCE.
HER FAMILY IS STILL IN SHOCK.
14-YEAR-OLD TYQUASIA ERNEST 
FIDDLER TOOK HER OWN LIFE LAST 
WEEK.
>> EVERYBODY'S TAKEN IT REALLY 
HARD WITH -- LIKE, WE'RE JUST 
TRYING TO TAKE IT DAY BY DAY. 
>> Reporter: THE FAMILY SAYS THE
TEENAGER'S MENTAL HEALTH SEEMED 
TO DETERIORATE AFTER THE 
PANDEMIC FORCED THE SCHOOL TO 
CLOSE IN MARCH.
>> NOT BEING ABLE TO SOCIALIZE, 
LIKE, BEING AROUND HER FRIENDS.
>> Reporter: BAND COUNCILLOR 
DUSTIN ROSS FIDDLER SAYS THE 
COMMUNITY LOCKDOWN AND ISOLATION
PUT PEOPLE IN DISTRESS. 
>> IT HAS TO BE ASKED WHAT IS 
MORE DANGEROUS IN THE MOMENT.
IS IT THE CORONAVIRUS OR IS IT 
THIS MENTAL HEALTH DETERIORATION
THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. 
>> Reporter: FIDDLER SAYS HE'S 
AWARE OF SIX SUICIDE ATTEMPTS BY
TEENS AND ADULTS IN RECENT 
WEEKS.
SUICIDE IS ALREADY THE LEADING 
CAUSE OF DEATH FOR PEOPLE AGES 
10 TO 49 IN NORTHERN 
SASKATCHEWAN.
USUALLY WHEN THERE IS A RASH OF 
SUICIDES, THE COMMUNITY WILL 
GATHER, MENTAL HEALTH WORKERS 
WILL DO HOME VISITS AND SCHOOLS 
WILL PROVIDE COUNSELLING.
>> SHE WAS MY PRINCESS. 
>> Reporter: SALLY RATT LIVES IN
A DIFFERENT NORTHERN COMMUNITY.
SHE'S HYPERVIGILANT.
SHE LOST HER 12-YEAR-OLD 
DAUGHTER ARIANA TO SUICIDE FOUR 
YEARS AGO. 
>> I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY
NINE-YEAR-OLD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE 
SHE'S REALLY SCARED AND HAS 
GOTTEN REALLY DEPRESSED. 
>> Reporter: THE PROVINCE 
RELEASED A SUICIDE PREVENTION 
STRATEGY LAST WEEK, BUT IT 
DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PANDEMIC.
>> WE NEED INVESTMENT AND 
ATTENTION AND THE KIDS CAN'T 
WAIT.
THEY NEED IT NOW. 
>> Reporter: FOR THE FAMILY OF 
TYQUASIA ERNEST FIDDLER, ANY 
HELP COMES TOO LATE AND THEY 
WILL FOREVER BE HAUNTED BY THE 
QUESTION "WHY."  
>> WHY SHE DID IT.
>> Reporter: BONNIE ALLEN, CBC 
NEWS, REGINA.
>> Adrienne: IF YOU OR SOMEONE 
YOU KNOW IS STRUGGLING WITH 
THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE, KIDS HELP 
LINE HAS A 24-HOUR LINE YOU CAN 
CALL OR TEXT.
ADULTS CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH 
CRISIS SERVICES CANADA.
THE NUMBERS ARE ON YOUR SCREEN.
>> Andrew: CBC HAS LEARNED HOW 
THE GOVERNMENT WILL CLAMP DOWN 
ON THE FRAUDULENT USE OF THE 
CANADA EMERGENCY RESPONSE 
BENEFIT.
WELL OVER 7 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE 
APPLIED FOR THOSE $2,000 
CHEQU
CHEQUES, BUT AS CATHERINE CULLEN
SHOWS US, SOME WHO RECEIVED IT 
JUST DON'T QUALIFY. 
>> Reporter: THEY MAY NOT BE THE
INTENDED TARGET OF THE CANADA 
EMERGENCY RESPONSE BENEFIT, BUT 
SOME UNEMPLOYED AND HOMELESS 
HERE ARE GETTING IT.
>> PEOPLE WHO ARE IN DESPERATE 
TIMES AND DESPERATE POVERTY SEE 
AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THEIR 
LIVES GENERALLY.
AND THEY WILL APPLY TO THIS 
FUND. 
>> Reporter: IT'S CERTAINLY NOT 
JUST THE HOMELESS.
CBC NEWS HAS REPORTED ON OTHER 
INSTANCES OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T 
LOST THEIR JOBS CLAIMING THE 
BENEFIT.
TODAY, THE PRIME MINISTER 
DEFENDED THE $35 BILLION 
PROGRAM.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
GETTING THAT HELP TO 99% OF THE 
CANADIANS WHO NEEDED IT QUICKLY 
AND RAPIDLY, IF IT MEANT EVEN 
ACCEPTING THAT 1 OR 2% MIGHT 
MAKE FRAUDULENT CLAIMS WAS THE 
CHOICE THAT WE GLADLY MADE. 
>> Reporter: FEDERAL OFFICIALS 
SAY THEY WILL CHECK UP ON 
BENEFIT CLAIMS LATER.
CBC NEWS HAS LEARNED THAT CANADA
REVENUE AGENCY WILL ASK 
EMPLOYERS WHEN PEOPLE WORKED, A 
MONTH-BY-MONTH BREAKDOWN OF 
INCOME DURING THE PANDEMIC.
THEY CAN USE THAT TO ENSURE 
CANADIANS WEREN'T COLLECTING 
BENEFITS WHILE WORKING, BUT IT 
WON'T HAPPEN QUICKLY.
MUCH OF THE BACKEND VALIDATION 
IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL 
ESSENTIALLY TAX TIME OF NEXT 
YEAR, A SENIOR CRA OFFICIAL TOLD
CBC NEWS, AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS 
THE EMPHASIS WILL BE ON GETTING 
THE MONEY BACK. 
>> THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE 
PENALTIES AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO
PUNISH PEOPLE IF THEY MADE A 
MISTAKE. 
>> Reporter: BUT FUTURE 
CLAWBACKS OR REDUCTIONS OF 
PROVINCIAL BENEFITS REPRESENT A 
REAL DANGER TO THOSE STRUGGLING 
TO GET WAY, WARNS RICK LEES. 
>> WE JUST DON'T WANT TO FIND 
OURSELVES A YEAR FROM NOW TRYING
TO ADVOCATE FOR SOMEONE TO GET 
BACK SOME ASSISTANCE PROGRAM 
THAT'S ESSENTIAL TO THEM LIVING 
BECAUSE THEY OBTAINED CERB 
TODAY.
>> Reporter: FEDERAL OFFICIALS 
SAY THEY ARE STILL DOING SOME 
BASIC CHECKS ON THE BENEFITS, 
LIKE ENSURING THE APPLICATION 
ISN'T FOR SOMEONE DECEASED.
BUT CRA EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN TOLD
THAT THEIR JOB RIGHT NOW IS TO 
HELP PEOPLE IN DIFFICULT TIMES.
CATHERINE CULLEN, CBC NEWS, 
OTTAWA.
>> Adrienne: WELL, SO MANY 
BUSINESSES HAVE SHUTDOWN, CANADA
POST HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY BUSY, 
AND THAT MAKES IT A WORKPLACE 
WHERE THE PANDEMIC REVEALS ITS 
DOUBLE EDGE.
BECAUSE WHILE EMPLOYEES DEAL 
WITH CHRISTMAS SEASON-LIKE 
VOLUMES, ILLNESS OR FEAR OF IT 
HAS BROUGHT STAFF SHORTAGES.
NATALIE KALATA EXPLAINS. 
>> IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT. 
>> Reporter: JAYDEN BERZIZI 
ISN'T USUALLY THIS BUSY IN MAY. 
>> THE LEVEL OF PARCELS IS WAY, 
WAY UP. 
>> Reporter: WITH MILLIONS 
STAYING HOME ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
EMPLOYEES HAVE MORE TO SORT, 
CARRY AND DELIVER.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSEHOLD 
ITEMS, COOKING ITEMS, A LOT OF 
CRAFTS FOR THE KIDS. 
>> Reporter: IT'S BEEN A 
STRUGGLE TO KEEP UP WITH DEMAND.
>> IT'S LIKE TRYING TO PUSH BACK
A WAVE WITH JUST YOUR ONE HAND. 
>> Reporter: WE'VE AGREED TO 
PROTECT THIS SORTING FACILITY 
WORKER'S IDENTITY BECAUSE HE'S 
AFRAID OF BEING DISCIPLINED FOR 
SPEAKING OUT. 
>> THE HEAD OFFICE HAS TOLD THE 
PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 
CHRISTMAS VOLUMES, WE'RE DOING 
THE BEST WE CAN, BUT WHAT THEY 
HAVEN'T SAID WAS WE'VE LOST 
ALMOST HALF OF OUR STAFF. 
>> Reporter: HIS PICTURES FROM 
INSIDE THE FACILITY SHOW 
MOUNTAINS OF PACKAGES, WAITING 
TO BE SORTED AND SENT, SOME TO 
REMOTE COMMUNITIES, SOME 
CONTAINING NECESSITIES.
>> I'LL DIG OUT WHAT I KNOW IS, 
LIKE, DISINFECTANT, I'LL SEE 
MEDICAL SUPPLIES.
LIKE, IT ACTUALLY SAYS ON THERE,
MASKS.
>> Reporter: THE UNION 
REPRESENTING POSTAL WORKERS 
CONFIRMS A STAFF SHORTAGE AT THE
FACILITY BUT SAYS SAFETY TRUMPS 
PRODUCTIVITY.
>> THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF OUR 
MEMBERS ARE OFF ON HIGH-RISK 
LEAVE, CONDITIONS THAT 
COMPROMISE THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM.
THOSE MEMBERS ARE BEING ASKED 
NOT TO COME IN.
>> Reporter: NEARLY 50 OF ITS 
MEMBERS HAVE CONTRACTED 
CORONAVIRUS ACROSS CANADA.
IN A STATEMENT TO CBC NEWS, 
CANADA POST ASKED CANADIANS TO 
BE PATIENT, THAT CUSTOMERS 
SHOULD EXPECT DELAYS BECAUSE OUR
PLANTS WERE NEVER DESIGNED TO 
KEEP PEOPLE TWO METRES APART, 
MEANING IT'S TAKING LONGER TO 
PROCESS ITEMS.
AND IT'S A SITUATION THAT'S NOT 
LIKELY TO LIGHTEN ANY TIME SOON.
NATALIE KALATA, CBC NEWS, 
TORONTO.
>> Andrew: NOW HERE ARE SOME OF 
THE OTHER STORIES WE'RE WATCHING
ACROSS CANADA TONIGHT.
A NUMBER OF MAJOR RETAILERS ARE 
CHANGING THEIR MASK POLICIES.
WHOLE FOODS SAYS IT'S REQUESTING
CUSTOMERS AT ALL ITS NORTH 
AMERICAN STORES TO WEAR A FACE 
COVERING WHEN SHOPPING.
LOBLAWS-RUN T&T SUPERMARKET SAYS
SHOPPERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO 
WEAR MASKS, AND IF YOU SHOW UP 
WITHOUT ONE YOU CAN GET ONE FOR 
A DOLLAR.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: AS OF
THE BEGINNING OF JUNE, SOME 
NATIONAL PARKS WILL BE PARTIALLY
REOPENING SO THAT PEOPLE IN THE 
AREA CAN USE TRAILS AND GREEN 
SPACES WHERE PHYSICAL DISTANCING
IS POSSIBLE.
>> Andrew: THERE YOU GO, THE 
PRIME MINISTER ANNOUNCING SOME 
NATIONAL PARKS ARE PREPARING TO 
REOPEN, THOUGH NOT BEFORE THE 
LONG WEEKEND, AND CAMPING WON'T 
BE ALLOWED UNTIL AT LEAST MID 
JUNE.
THE PLAN INVOLVES 38 PARKS AND 
171 HISTORIC SITES.
OTTAWA SAYS IT WILL BE WORKING 
WITH PROVINCES ON A ROLLOUT 
PLAN.
>>> I'D LIKE TO LET YOU ALL KNOW
THAT THIS MORNING PUBLIC HEALTH 
HAS ANNOUNCED THAT OUR OUTBREAK 
IS NOW OVER.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>> Andrew: GOOD NEWS.
STAFF AT ONE OF ONTARIO'S 
HARDEST-HIT NURSING HOMES GAVE 
THANKS TODAY AFTER THAT MAJOR 
OUTBREAK WAS DECLARED OVER.
THE PINECREST NURSING HOME HAD 
28 RESIDENTS DIE WITHIN THREE 
WEEKS WITH MORE THAN 30 STAFF 
MEMBERS ALSO TESTING POSITIVE 
FOR THE VIRUS.
NOW THE HOME SAYS ITS RESIDENTS 
HAVE BEEN WITHOUT SYMPTOMS FOR 
14 DAYS.
>>> NOW A TRUE RETURN TO NORMAL,
IF THAT EVEN EXISTS ANYMORE, 
WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY INVOLVE A 
VACCINE, AND RESEARCHERS AROUND 
THE WORLD ARE RACING TO FIND 
ONE, BUT IS THERE POTENTIALLY A 
FASTER WAY?
COULD BE.
BUT IT'S CONTROVERSIAL, AND AS 
YOU'LL HEAR FROM HEALTH REPORTER
CHRISTINE BIRAK, IT INVOLVES 
INTENTIONALLY INFECTING PEOPLE 
WITH THE VIRUS.
>> Reporter: NOT MANY PEOPLE 
WOULD VOLUNTEER TO BE 
DELIBERATELY INFECTED WITH THE 
CORONAVIRUS, BUT CONOR BARNES 
HAS SIGNED UP, AND HE'S NOT 
EXPECTING TO GET PAID FOR IT.
>> I VALUE PEOPLE.
I HATE THE IDEA OF MILLIONS OR 
BILLIONS OF PEOPLE SUFFERING, 
AND TO ME THIS SEEMS LIKE AN 
EFFECTIVE WAY TO IMPACT THAT.
>> Reporter: MORE THAN 20,000 
PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HAVE 
ENROLLED AS VOLUNTEERS FOR 
CONTROLLED HUMAN INFECTION, OR 
CHALLENGE STUDIES.
>> CHALLENGE STUDIES ARE 
INCREDIBLY PROMISING AND 
POWERFUL TOOLS THAT CAN TEACH US
A LOT ABOUT INFECTIONS THAT WE 
DON'T ALREADY KNOW.
>> Reporter: TYPICALLY 
PARTICIPANTS IN CLINICAL TRIALS 
ARE GIVEN A POSSIBLE VACCINE OR 
PLACEBO.
RESEARCHERS THEN WAIT AND SEE IF
ANYONE COMES IN CONTACT WITH THE
VIRUS.
MANY WON'T, SO IT TAKES YEARS, 
AND THOUSANDS OF PARTICIPANTS TO
MEASURE THE SAFETY AND 
EFFECTIVENESS OF A VACCINE.
IN A CHALLENGE STUDY, A SMALLER 
NUMBER OF CAREFULLY SELECTED 
VOLUNTEERS CAN INTENTIONALLY BE 
INFECTED AND OFFER FASTER 
RESULTS.
BUT . . . 
>> IT REQUIRES COMING UP WITH 
THE RIGHT DOSE TO GIVE TO PEOPLE
SO THAT THEY DO GET INFECTED BUT
THAT THEY DON'T GET TOO SICK. 
>> Reporter: THE APPROVALS ALONE
CAN TAKE OVER SIX MONTHS, AND 
IT'S AN ETHICAL DILEMMA.
CONTROLLED INFECTIONS HAVE 
HELPED FIND VACCINES FOR 
ILLNESSES LIKE TYPHOID AND 
CHOLERA, BUT IN THE PAST THEY 
HAVE ALSO KILLED VULNERABLE 
PEOPLE AND EXPOSED OTHERS TO 
HARMS WITHOUT INFORMED CONSENT.
WHILE NO CHALLENGE STUDIES HAVE 
BEEN APPROVED FOR COVID-19, THE 
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION ISN'T 
RULING THEM OUT.
>> PEOPLE MUST BE VERY CLEARLY 
AWARE OF WHAT IT IS THEY ARE 
CONSENTING TO, AND THE CONSENT 
PROCESSES FOR HUMAN CHALLENGE 
STUDIES SHOULD BE EXCEPTIONALLY 
STRINGENT. 
>> THE MOST CONCERNING PART FOR 
ME IS THE FACT THAT WE DON'T 
KNOW THAT LONG-TERM EFFECT. 
>> Reporter: BARNES STILL HAS 
RESERVATIONS ABOUT BEING 
INFECTED BUT SAYS IF ASKED HE'LL
DO WHAT HE THINKS IS RIGHT.
CHRISTINE BIRAK, CBC NEWS, 
TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: A DIRE WARNING 
TONIGHT FROM A U.S. 
WHISTLE-BLOWER.
>> WITHOUT BETTER PLANNING, 2020
COULD BE THE DARKEST WINTER IN 
MODERN HISTORY.
>> Adrienne: UP NEXT, 
ACCUSATIONS OF WASTED TIME AND 
WARNINGS IGNORED FROM THE MAN 
WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF VACCINES IN
THAT COUNTRY.
>>> WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT 
RAISING TAXES.
>> Andrew: SO WHAT'S THE PLAN TO
GET CANADA'S FINANCES BACK ON 
TRACK?
ROSIE'S HERE WITH "AT ISSUE."
>> Adrienne: AND WHAT COULD YOUR
KIDS' SPORTS LOOK LIKE AFTER THE
PANDEMIC?
>> THERE WILL BE A PORTION OF 
>> Adrienne: QUITE THE WARNING 
ISSUED TO U.S. LAWMAKERS TODAY.
IT CAME IN TESTIMONY FROM THE 
MAN WHO HAD BEEN IN CHARGE OF 
DEVELOPING AND ACQUIRING 
VACCINES, BUT RICK BRIGHT WAS 
REMOVED FROM THE JOB HE SAYS 
AFTER HIS EARLY WARNINGS ABOUT 
THE CORONAVIRUS WERE MET WITH 
INDIFFERENCE AND INEPTITUDE.
KATIE SIMPSON NOW ON WHAT HE HAD
TO SAY TODAY.
>> Reporter: DR. RICK BRIGHT 
SAYS FROM THE START HE 
RECOGNIZED THE URGENT THREAT 
POSED BY COVID-19, WARNING 
LAWMAKERS' IMMEDIATE ACTION IS 
STILL NECESSARY.
>> WITHOUT BETTER PLANNING, 2020
COULD BE THE DARKEST WINTER IN 
MODERN HISTORY.
TIME IS RUNNING OUT BECAUSE A 
VIRUS IS STILL SPREADING 
EVERYWHERE.
>> Reporter: BRIGHT USED HIS 
TESTIMONY NOT ONLY TO CALL ON 
THE GOVERNMENT TO RAMP UP 
TESTING AND STOCKPILE SUPPLIES, 
BUT OFFERED A SCATHING 
ASSESSMENT OF THE EARLY HANDLING
OF THE OUTBREAK.
>> I BELIEVE AMERICANS NEED TO 
BE TOLD THE TRUTH.
WE DID NOT EDUCATE THEM ON 
SOCIAL DISTANCING AND WEARING A 
MASK AS WE SHOULD HAVE IN 
JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
ALL OF THOSE FOREWARNINGS COULD 
HAVE HAD AN IMPACT ON FURTHER 
SLOWING THIS OUTBREAK AND SAVING
MORE LIVES.
>> Reporter: ONE OF THE BIGGEST 
MISSTEPS, HE SAYS, HIS MANAGERS 
IGNORED HIS WARNINGS ABOUT A 
MEDICAL SUPPLY SHORTAGE.
>> LIVES ARE ENDANGERED AND I 
BELIEVE LIVES WERE LOST. 
>> Reporter: BRIGHT WAS REMOVED 
FROM HIS POST OVERSEEING VACCINE
DEVELOPMENT.
HE SAYS BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO 
ALLOW THE WIDESPREAD USE OF AN 
ANTI-MALARIA DRUG THE PRESIDENT 
HAS BEEN PROMOTING. 
>> President Donald Trump: I 
WATCHED HIM AND HE LOOKED LIKE 
AN ANGRY, DISGRUNTLED EMPLOYEE.
>> Reporter: DONALD TRUMP MAY BE
DISMISSING THE TESTIMONY, BUT 
BRIGHT HOPES THE PUBLIC IS 
LISTENING.
THESE PAST MONTHS HAVE TAKEN A 
TOLL ON THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WITH 
ONE MOMENT THAT HAUNTS HIM, WHEN
HE GOT AN EMAIL FROM A MASK 
PRODUCER ABOUT THE OVERALL LACK 
OF EQUIPMENT. 
>> AND HE SAID WE'RE IN DEEP 
SHIT.
THE WORLD IS.
>> Reporter: MIKE BOWEN WROTE 
THAT EMAIL.
HE OFFERED HIS MASK-MAKING 
SERVICES TO THE GOVERNMENT BUT 
SAYS HE TOO WAS IGNORED. 
>> I'M ANGRY BECAUSE I'VE DONE 
THIS FOR SO LONG, AND I'VE BEEN 
IGNORED FOR SO LONG.
>> Reporter: BRIGHT HAD ONE MORE
BLEAK PREDICTION, A VACCINE WILL
BE READY IN 12 TO 18 MONTHS ONLY
IF EVERYTHING GOES PERFECTLY.
THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS, 
WASHINGTON.
>> Adrienne: SO DESPITE THE 
CONCERN, SOME STATES ARE 
BEGINNING A CAUTIOUS REOPENING.
THE UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS, 
HOWEVER, ARE STILL BLEAK.
NEARLY 3 MILLION PEOPLE APPLIED 
FOR UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS IN THE
U.S. LAST WEEK.
THAT'S DOWN FROM A HIGH OF 6.7 
MILLION IN LATE MARCH, BUT 
COMPARE THAT TO PRE-PANDEMIC 
LEVELS OF ABOUT 215,000 A WEEK.
MORE THAN 36 MILLION AMERICANS 
HAVE APPLIED FOR UNEMPLOYMENT 
SINCE THE PANDEMIC BEGAN.
>> Andrew: NOW PANDEMIC OR NOT, 
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA
IS STILL IN THE THROES OF A 
LEADERSHIP RACE, AND IF YOU WANT
TO VOTE, TIME IS RUNNING OUT.
THE SALE OF PARTY MEMBERSHIPS 
STOPS TOMORROW AT MIDNIGHT 
EASTERN TIME, AND HANNAH 
THIBEDEAU LOOKS AT HOW THIS 
CORONAVIRUS IS SHAPING WHAT 
HAPPENS NEXT.
>> I NEED YOU TO BUY YOUR 
CONSERVATIVE MEMBERSHIP BEFORE 
MAY 15.
>> Reporter: THE PUSH IS ON. 
>> HI, HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY?
>> Reporter: THE PANDEMIC HAS 
FORCED THE LEADERSHIP TEAMS TO 
ABANDON TRADITIONAL CAMPAIGN 
TACTICS. 
>> I WOULD SAY THAT RIGHT NOW 
EVERYTHING IS VERY MUCH MORE 
GEARED ONLINE.
TONS OF PHONE CALLS.
LIKE I'M ON THE PHONE STEADY, SO
I'M UP UNTIL SUNDOWN, AND PAST 
THAT.
>> It's often typical going to 
church basements and signing up 
people, or going door to door.
it's a very different sort of 
campaign, that's for sure.
>> Reporter: AFTER FRIDAY'S 
DEADLINE FOR NEW MEMBERSHIPS, 
CANDIDATES WILL BE OUT TO WOO 
UNDECIDED PARTY VOTERS WITHOUT 
THE USUAL CROSS-COUNTRY TRAVEL. 
>> SO IT'S BEEN A LOT OF VIRTUAL
CAMPAIGNING, A LOT OF VIDEO 
CONFERENCES, TELECONFERENCES, 
INDIVIDUAL PHONE CALLS, EMAILS, 
SOCIAL MEDIA INTERACTIONS.
>> Reporter: BECAUSE THE RACE IS
DETERMINED BY A RANKED BALLOT, 
BEING THE SECOND OR EVEN THIRD 
CHOICE COULD BE CRUCIAL TO 
WINNING.
POLLS CURRENTLY SUGGEST A TIGHT 
RACE BETWEEN ERIN O'TOOLE AND 
PETER MacKAY, AND THEIR TEAMS 
ARE KEEN TO APPEAL TO THE OTHER 
TWO CANDIDATES' SOCIALLY 
CONSERVATIVE SUPPORTERS. 
>> WE ALWAYS ASK FOR FIRST 
CHOICE, AND IF NOT, WE TRY TO 
PERSUADE THEM TO PUT THEM SECOND
-- TO PUT YOU SECOND OR THIRD.
>> IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE 
EVERYONE FEEL WELCOME. 
>> Reporter: CBC NEWS HAS 
LEARNED THAT THE BALLOTS WILL BE
MAILED OUT IN TWO WAVES IN JUNE.
WHEN THEY ANNOUNCE THE NEW 
LEADER, YOU WON'T SEE THE 
TRADITIONAL CONVENTION.
ANDREW SCHEER'S SUCCESSOR WILL 
BE KNOWN BY AUGUST 22 OR WITHIN 
A FEW DAYS OF THAT.
HANNAH THIBEDEAU, CBC NEWS, 
OTTAWA.
>> Adrienne: AHEAD TONIGHT, 
ROSIE AND "AT ISSUE" TAKE ON 
THIS.
>> WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT 
RAISING TAXES. 
>> Adrienne: SO WHAT MEASURES 
ARE ON THE TABLE FOR FINANCIAL 
RECOVERY?
ANDREW, CHANTAL AND ALTHIA HAVE 
SOME THOUGHTS. 
>> Andrew: AND IN JUST A MINUTE 
WE'LL HAVE A DOCTOR IN TO ANSWER
YOUR QUESTIONS, INCLUDING THIS 
ONE.
HOW WILL YOUTH TEAM SPORTS 
RETURN SAFELY?
*
>> Andrew: WELCOME BACK.
YOU HAVE KEPT THE COVID-19 
QUESTIONS COMING, SO WE ARE 
GOING TO KEEP TRYING TO ANSWER 
THEM, AND TONIGHT IT'S ALL ABOUT
TRYING TO GAME OUT THE NEXT FEW 
WEEKS AS CANADA CONTINUES TO 
GRADUALLY REOPEN FOR BUSINESS.
SO JOINING ME TONIGHT, 
INFECTIOUS DISEASES EXPERT 
DR. LYNORA SAXINGER.
DR. SAXINGER, THE FIRST QUESTION
HERE IS ALL ABOUT FINDING THE 
PRUDENT PATH FORWARD.
HOW WILL YOUTH TEAM SPORTS 
RETURN SAFELY?
KIND OF HARD TO PHYSICALLY 
DISTANCE WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING 
BASKETBALL, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S BECOMING
A BIGGER QUESTION FOR PEOPLE AND
THERE ARE PARTS OF IT THAT ARE 
EASY WHERE YOU SAY MINIMIZE THE 
TIME ON COURT WHERE YOU'RE IN 
CLOSE QUARTERS.
CAN WE CHANGE THE WAY
PEOPLE DRESS FOR THE GAME AND 
AVOID DRESSING ROOMS, BUT THERE 
ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSMISSION
IN THE SETTING OF A CONTACT 
POTENTIAL SPORT AND WHETHER 
VIRUS IN SALIVA COULD POSE A 
RISK TO OTHER PLAYERS AND HOW 
YOU MIGHT REDUCE THAT RISK.
I GUESS THE OTHER ISSUE AROUND 
YOUTH AND CHILDREN IS I THINK WE
STILL LACK INFORMATION ON THE 
AMOUNT OF INFECTION THAT MIGHT 
BE ASYMPTOMATIC IN KIDS AND 
YOUTH AND WHETHER THAT'S 
CONTRIBUTING TO COMMUNITY 
SPREAD.
SO TO ME I THINK ANY DISCUSSION 
WOULD HAVE TO BE KIND OF 
PRELIMINARY UNTIL SOME OF THOSE 
FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS GET A BIT 
MORE SCIENCE BEHIND THEM.
>> Andrew: I GUESS YOU GOT TO 
WONDER, WOULD MASKS, WOULD 
SOMETHING LIKE THAT EVEN HELP?
>> I THINK THERE ARE SOME WAYS 
YOU MIGHT IMAGINE THIS CAN BE 
MADE SAFE AND PEOPLE CAN RETURN 
TO THESE HEALTHY, FUN 
ACTIVITIES, BUT I'M ACTUALLY 
HESITANT TO SAY THAT IT'S FOR 
SURE SAFE AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE 
THERE IS JUST A FEW TOO MANY 
UNKNOWNS, AND WE'RE STILL 
WORKING ON THE WHOLE CHILDREN 
AND YOUTH ANGLE FOR WHAT THAT 
MEANS IN THE CONTEXT OF A 
COMMUNITY EPIDEMIC.
>> Andrew: SIMILAR SORT OF 
QUESTION.
IS PUBLIC TRANSIT GOING TO BE A 
COMPLETE MESS?
HOW CAN YOU AVOID BEING SO 
TIGHTLY PACKED AROUND OTHER 
PEOPLE, I SUPPOSE WHEN THINGS 
REALLY GET GOING.
>> YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT SOME 
CLIPS FROM THE U.K. WHERE THE 
SUBWAY IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART
OF EVERYONE GETTING TO WORK, AND
I THINK THAT THERE ARE 
DEFINITELY SOME CONCERNS THERE, 
AND THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS 
AROUND AIR FLOW AND ENCLOSED 
SPACES AND HOW MUCH THAT MIGHT 
INCREASE RISK.
IT'S ALSO UNKNOWN HOW MUCH 
MASKING MIGHT DECREASE RISK.
IF WE HAD A BETTER IDEA OF THAT,
IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER 
AS WELL.
>> Andrew: RIGHT, AND SO ONE OF 
THE QUESTIONS HERE, SORT OF 
ABOUT THE DAY-TO-DAY LIFE, HOW 
WOULD WE HAVE OUR CLEANING LADY 
COME DO HER JOB SAFELY, OR IS 
THAT A BAD IDEA?
>> I THINK THAT ONE'S A BIT 
EASIER.
IF YOU CAN AVOID SHARING AIR 
SPACE WHILE SOMEONE'S IN YOUR 
HOUSE AND EVERYONE AVOIDS GOING 
OUT IF THEY ARE ILL, IT SHOULD 
BE REASONABLE BECAUSE ESPECIALLY
IF YOU CAN BE OUT OF THE HOUSE 
WHEN SHE COMES IN, AND YOU DON'T
SPEND TIME IN THE SAME AREA, IT 
SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME TO HAVE 
THAT HAPPEN STILL.
>> Andrew: OKAY, FRESH DROPLETS,
AS WE'VE HEARD OFTEN ABOUT, THE 
PRIMARY VEHICLE OF TRANSMISSION.
DR. SAXINGER, THANKS SO MUCH FOR
YOUR TIME.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. 
>> Andrew: AS WE'VE MENTIONED, 
WE WILL BE ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS
ABOUT COVID-19 AS OFTEN AS WE 
CAN, SO SEND THOSE QUESTIONS IN.
YOU CAN REACH US ON INSTAGRAM AT
@CBCTHENATIONAL OR BY EMAIL AT 
COVID@cbc.ca. 
>> Adrienne: MORE THAN 5,500 
CANADIANS HAVE NOW DIED FROM 
COVID-19.
SO MANY FAMILY AND FRIENDS LEFT 
GRIEVING, SOMETIMES ALL ALONE.
CBC NEWS IS PUTTING A HUMAN FACE
ON THE WRENCHING NUMBERS OF THE 
DEAD THROUGH A SERIES WE'RE 
CALLING "LIVES REMEMBERED."
TONIGHT HERE IS OUR STORY.
>> MY NAME IS ANTHONY BASTIANON,
MY FATHER VICTOR BASTIANON 
PASSED AWAY FROM COVID-19 ON 
EASTER SUNDAY 2020.
MY FATHER WAS THE ARCHETYPE OF A
SUCCESSFUL IMMIGRANT.
HE GREW UP IN ITALY DURING WORLD
WAR II, AND HIS FAMILY STRUGGLED
AFTERWARDS.
SO HE CAME TO CANADA IN THE 
1950S WITH ONLY A CARDBOARD 
SUITCASE.
HE WAS DETERMINED TO BUILD A 
SUCCESSFUL LIFE FOR HIMSELF AND 
HIS FAMILY.
MY DAD WAS A WORKAHOLIC.
HE WORKED AS HARD AS HE DID 
BECAUSE PROVIDING FOR HIS FAMILY
WAS WHAT MATTERED MOST TO HIM.
HE TAUGHT HIS THREE KIDS THE 
VALUES OF HUMILITY, HONESTY AND 
UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.
MY DAD, A MECHANICAL ENGINEER, 
DIDN'T REALLY GET MY CAREER 
CHOICE AS A MUSICIAN.
BUT HE PAID FOR ALL MY SCHOOLING
WITHOUT QUESTION.
HE WAS NOT ONE TO GUSH WITH 
EMOTION.
HE USUALLY EXPRESSED HIS LOVE 
AND PRIDE IN MY ACHIEVEMENTS BY 
WRITING LETTERS OR CARDS, AND HE
ALMOST ALWAYS STARTED WITH "AS A
FAMOUS ITALIAN ONCE SAID."
I CATCH MYSELF REPEATING THINGS 
MY DAD SAID, LIKE HIS BAD JOKES 
OR QUOTING IN ITALIAN OR 
ACTUALLY QUOTING MY DAD QUOTING 
IN ITALIAN.
I COULDN'T BE WITH MY DAD IN HIS
LAST MOMENTS, BUT IF I HAD THE 
CHANCE TO SAY GOOD-BYE, I WOULD 
TELL HIM THAT HIS HARD WORK AND 
SACRIFICE MATTERED AND HE WILL 
NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
HE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE 
HEARD THAT.
>> Adrienne: CBC NEWS IS 
COMMITTED TO TELLING AS MANY OF 
THESE STORIES AS WE CAN.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE YOUR 
MEMORIES OF A LOVED ONE WITH US,
PLEASE SEND AN EMAIL TO 
COVID@cbc.ca.
>>> STILL TO COME TONIGHT, 
THOUSANDS OF KIDS SIDELINED BY 
COVID-19.
A LOOK AT THE DILEMMA FACING 
SPORTS LEAGUES AND HOW THE GAMES
COULD CHANGE WHEN 
IT'S FINALLY GAME ONE.
NEXT UP, ROSIE AND "AT ISSUE."
>> Rosemary: TOND WE ARE LOOKING
AT HOW OTTAWA WILL PAY FOR ITS 
RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 
PANDEMIC.
THE POLITICAL COST AND OF COURSE
THE VERY CHALLENGING DECISIONS 
AHEAD.
THAT'S
*
>> WE KNOW THAT PRESERVING OUR 
ECONOMY TO COME OUT OF THIS IS 
GOING TO MAKE US STRONGER, AND 
WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED
TO FACE UP TO THOSE CHALLENGES, 
AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT 
RAISING TAXES IS NOT WHAT 
CANADIANS WANT US TO DO.
>> Rosemary: BILL MORNEAU SAYS 
IT'S NOT FOR OTTAWA TO RAISE 
TAXES TO PAY FOR THE PANDEMIC IN
ITS RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC, 
BUT IT DOES SAY THAT CANADA, AS 
YOU HEARD THERE, WILL HAVE TO 
FACE UP TO SOME CHALLENGES 
AHEAD.
SO WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL COSTS 
THAT COME WITH THIS RISING DEBT,
AND DOES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 
NEED TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT 
ABOUT ITS FISCAL PLAN, WHERE 
WE'RE AT NOW?
IT'S THURSDAY, AND I'M HERE WITH
"AT ISSUE," CHANTAL HEBERT, 
ANDREW COYNE AND ALTHIA RAJ.
GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY DIALLING 
IN THERE.
LET'S START WITH HOW A 
GOVERNMENT LOOKS AT POTENTIALLY 
A TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT, 
CERTAINLY MORE THAN $300 BILLION
IN DEFICIT.
WHAT DOES THAT -- WHAT KIND OF 
POLITICAL CHALLENGES DOES THIS 
SORT OF POSE FOR A GOVERNMENT AT
THIS STAGE, OR ARE THEY NOT EVEN
REALLY CONTEMPLATING THAT RIGHT 
NOW, DO YOU THINK, CHANTAL?
>> I THINK WE ARE NOT THERE YET,
AND I DON'T THINK THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT IS THERE YET.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PROPER 
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE 
WOODS, AND THERE ARE SO MANY 
UNKNOWN VARIABLES THAT THE ONLY 
THING YOU CAN KNOW FOR SURE IS 
IT'S GONNA BE BAD.
THAT BEING SAID, POLITICALLY 
IT'S GOING TO IMPACT, AND I'M 
THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU GO TO 
THE POLLS.  
DO YOU TRY TO GO QUICKLY WHEN WE
EXIT THIS OR IF YOU WAIT DO YOU 
END UP HAVING TO GO WHEN YOU'RE 
STARTING TO INFLICT PAIN ON 
TAXPAYERS?
BECAUSE THAT WILL HAPPEN.
>> Rosemary: BECAUSE IT ALSO 
DRAMATICALLY CHANGES ANYTHING 
THAT THEY -- WELL, NOT ANYTHING,
BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WERE
ELECTED TO DO IN THE FIRST 
PLACE, ANDREW, BECAUSE THERE'S 
NOW NO WAY THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD
WITH SOME OF THOSE BIG PROMISES 
AS WELL.
>> IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF BUDGET
CONSTRAINT AT ALL, YES.
IT'S TEMPTING TO SAY RIGHT NOW 
THAT IT'S BASICALLY INFINITE.
EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS WE GET A 
NEW ESTIMATE OF THE DEFICIT THAT
ADDS ABOUT A HUNDRED BILLION 
DOLLARS TO IT, WHICH USED TO BE 
UNHEARD OF ON THE WHOLE.
$300 BILLION AT THIS POINT IS 
PROBABLY AN UNDERESTIMATE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT NOT JUST ONE 
YEAR OF MASSIVE DEFICITS LIKE 
THAT.
BUT YOU CAN'T SLAM ON THE BRAKES
RIGHT AWAY.
WE ARE LOOKING AT DEFICITS 
PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF 5% OF GDP 
FOR YEARS TO COME, AND THEREFORE
MOUNTING DEBTS, AND WE GET 
PRETTY QUICKLY ON PRETTY SAFE 
ASSUMPTIONS UP TO THE 60% 
DEBT-TO-GDP RATIO, WHICH IS 
WHERE WE WERE AT BACK IN THE 
'90S.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME EVIDENCE 
THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS AT LEAST 
AWARE OF THIS, THAT IT HAS SOME 
SENSE OF HOW IT'S GOING TO DEAL 
WITH IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S VERY HARD
TO PREDICT THINGS IN THE SHORT 
TERM, BUT AT LEAST SOME 
INDICATION THAT THE GOVERNMENT 
IS AWARE AND GRASPS THE SIZE OF 
THIS.
>> ROSEMARY: WELL, THEY DON'T 
SEEM TO THINK RIGHT NOW THAT 
THESE PROGRAMS, ALTHIA, ARE IN 
ANY WAY CONTRIBUTING TO SOME 
SORT OF STRUCTURAL DEFICIT, THAT
THIS IS REALLY JUST SORT OF 
ONE-TIME OR, YOU KNOW, JUST THIS
PERIOD OF TIME ANY WAY KIND OF 
SPENDING, AND ONCE THEY ARE OUT 
OF IT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DEAL 
WITH ALL THE THINGS WE'RE 
TALKING ABOUT.
[LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH, I WOULD SAY -- 
[LAUGHTER]
>> Rosemary: THAT WAS A GREAT 
RESPONSE, ACTUALLY.
>> IF IT WEIGHS HEAVILY ON THEIR
MINDS, THEY HAVE GIVEN US NO 
INDICATION OF THAT.
THEY HAVE IN FACT EVEN SAID THAT
THE PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET 
OFFICER'S COUNT IS, LIKE, WELL 
IT'S GREAT THAT HE'S DOING THAT 
EXERCISE, BUT THOSE ARE 
PROJECTIONS AND WHO KNOWS WHAT 
IT'S GOING TO COST, AND RIGHT 
NOW WE'RE JUST BASICALLY 
SHOVELLING MONEY OUT THE DOOR 
AND NOT REALLY CARING HOW MUCH 
THE TALLY IS AT THE END OF THAT 
PERIOD OF TIME.
I THINK -- I'M NOT SURE THAT 
THIS WILL IMPEDE THEIR ABILITY 
TO DO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT 
THEY CAMPAIGNED ON.
FOR EXAMPLE, NATIONAL 
PHARMACARE.
IF YOU'RE ALREADY A TRILLION 
DOLLARS IN DEBT, THAT'S CRAZY 
AMERICAN NUMBERS, WHY NOT ADD A 
FEW BILLION DOLLARS MORE AND DO 
PHARMACARE?
LIKE, I THINK THAT THIS WILL 
ACTUALLY GIVE THEM PERHAPS COVER
TO DO SOME BIGGER SPENDING 
THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT OTHERWISE
NOT HAVE DONE.
>> SO WHAT ABOUT THE PROPOSITION
THAT BEING TRANSPARENT IS SAYING
THAT YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU 
DON'T?
>> THAT WOULD BE REFRESHING, 
WOULDN'T IT?
>> BUT THAT IS KIND OF THE 
MESSAGE.
I DON'T FOR A SECOND BELIEVE 
THAT THIS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS 
LOOKING FOR COVER TO SPEND 
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON PET 
PROJECTS.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY KNOW 
THAT, YES, THEY COULD COME UP 
WITH A FISCAL UPDATE.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WELCOME, 
BUT AT SOME POINT THERE IS NO 
WAY TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO STOP 
GIVING YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT ON
THE STREET AND WHO WE PUT OUT ON
THE STREET AND NEW COMPANIES 
THAT WE STOPPED, WE'RE GOING TO 
STOP THIS AND SET A DATE, 
BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE NEED TO 
SET A DATE.
EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S NOT 
SUSTAINABLE, BUT TO HAVE THIS 
CONVERSATION NOW AND TO JUDGE 
THE GOVERNMENT'S LACK OF CONCERN
ON THE BASIS OF TODAY IS 
PREMATURE.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, ANDREW, YES.
>> JUST VERY QUICKLY, THE NOTION
THAT THIS IS JUST A ONE AND 
DONE, ONE BIG DEFICIT AND THEN 
WE'LL GET BACK TO NORMAL BECAUSE
WE'LL BE ABLE TO RAMP DOWN 
SPENDING FIRST OF ALL PRESUMES 
THAT WE WILL RAMP DOWN SPENDING 
THE WAY WE DID AFTER WORLD WAR 
II, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I THINK 
THAT'S VERY MUCH IN DOUBT.
SECONDLY IT IGNORES THE FACT WE 
HAVEN'T JUST RAMPED UP SPENDING,
BUT WE HAVE HAD A BIG HIT ON 
REVENUE.
EVEN IF WE COULD AND EVEN IF WE 
WERE A MIND TO CUT SPENDING ALL 
THE WAY BACK, WE STILL HAVE THIS
HUGE REVENUE HOLE FROM THE 
FALLOFF IN REVENUES, AND THAT 
CANNOT BE MADE UP THAT EASILY.
>> Rosemary: ESPECIALLY IF YOU 
HAVE BUSINESSES SHUDDERING, 
WHICH THE GOVERNOR OF THE BANK 
OF CANADA TODAY SAID IS GOING TO
START HAPPENING AT SOME POINT 
HERE.
IT ALSO PRESUMES THAT THIS 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD BE 
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A LARGE DEBT 
LOAD.
THEY CERTAINLY HAVEN'T BEEN 
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A DEFICIT.
MAYBE THEY JUST WON'T EVEN 
BOTHER TO TACKLE IT.
IS THAT A REALISTIC THING TO 
CONTEMPLATE TOO, ALTHIA?
>> NO.
I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THERE WILL BE PRESSURE 
TO SHOW THAT THERE IS SOME SORT 
OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT 
STILL EXISTS WITHIN THE LIBERAL 
PARTY.
I THINK THE GOVERNMENT COULD DO 
A FAR BETTER JOB OF BEING 
TRANSPARENT.
I JUST WANT TO GO BACK ON THAT 
OTHER POINT, BECAUSE THEY -- SO 
FAR THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SAID THAT 
THEY ARE PLEDGING TO HAVE A 
FISCAL UPDATE OR SOME SORT OF 
FINANCIAL DOCUMENT BEFORE THE 
END OF THE YEAR.
LIKE, I THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND 
THAT A BUDGET IS NOT COMING NEXT
WEEK.
IT TAKES MANPOWER THAT THEY JUST
DO NOT HAVE.
THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BUSY 
DOING THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND 
THESE BIG SPENDING THINGS THAT 
NORMALLY ARE PROBABLY WORTH 
SEVERAL BUDGETS, BUT THE IDEA 
THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT 
STILL DESERVES TO SHOW THAT THEY
ARE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, 
THAT ACCOUNTABILITY SHOULD 
EXIST.
IT HAS NOT SAID AND BEEN 
TRANSPARENT ABOUT THESE ARE THE 
REASONS THAT WE CANNOT DO THAT 
AT THIS TIME.
I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD BENEFIT
FROM HAVING THAT.
IT WOULD BE REFRESHING.
I DO THINK THAT -- YEAH, GO 
AHEAD.
>> Rosemary: GO AHEAD, CHANTAL.
>> I THINK THAT THEY BELIEVE 
THAT THE REASONS WHY THEY CAN'T 
COME UP WITH A PLAN OR EVEN A 
FISCAL UPDATE THAT WILL TELL 
YOU, THEY THINK THOSE REASONS 
ARE OBVIOUS.
MAYBE THEY ARE NOT, BUT THAT IS 
WHAT THEY THINK.
I DON'T THINK THEY ARE HIDING 
SOMETHING, AND I'M WILLING TO 
WAGER THREE THINGS WE WILL SEE A
FISCAL UPDATE OR SOMETHING 
BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, AND 
THE GST WILL GO UP BEFORE I AM 
FINISHED PAYING TAXES ON GOODS 
AND SERVICES.
>> Rosemary: WELL THERE YOU GO.
BILL MORNEAU SAID HE WASN'T 
GOING TO DO IT, BUT THERE YOU 
GO.
>> I DIDN'T HEAR HIM SAY NO.
>> Rosemary: IT WASN'T NEVER.
THAT'S FAIR.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
BEFORE WE GO, BE SURE TO 
SUBSCRIBE TO "AT ISSUE." 
IT'S A PODCAST FOR EXTRA 
CONTENT.
THIS WEEK WE ARE GOING TO TALK A
BIT ABOUT THE CERB, THE FRAUD 
CONCERNS, WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT
HAS HANDLED THAT IN THE RIGHT 
WAY.
LOOK FOR IT ON MAJOR PODCAST APP
OR ON OUR WEBSITE.
cbcnews.ca/THENATIONALITY.
FOR NOW, BACK TO ADRIENNE AND 
ANDREW IN TORONTO.
>> Adrienne: ALL RIGHT, AND 
NEXT, COVID-19 IS CHANGING THE 
GAME FOR KIDS SPORTS.
>> THERE WILL BE A PORTION OF 
THE BASEBALL COMMUNITY WHO ARE 
GOING TO BE ELIMINATED FROM THE 
GAME JUST BY DEFAULT.
>> Adrienne: FROM FAMILIES TO 
BUSINESSES, WHAT THE FUTURE OF 
COMPETITION COULD LOOK LIKE.
>> Adrienne: WELCOME BACK.
NORMALLY AT THIS TIME OF YEAR 
PARKS WOULD BE ALIVE WITH THE 
SOUND OF COMPETITION, HUNDREDS 
OF THOUSANDS OF KIDS PLAYING 
SPORTS.
BUT AS COVID-19 HAS SIDELINED 
ALL THOSE LEAGUES, IT HAS ALSO 
PARALYZED THE BUSINESSES THAT 
SUPPORT THEM.
JAMIE STRASHIN NOW ON WHAT'S 
AHEAD.
>> SO WITH THE THOUSAND KIDS 
THAT WERE COMING THROUGH A WEEK,
WE'RE NOW DOWN TO ZERO.
>> Reporter: IT'S EERILY QUIET 
AT THIS MASSIVE BASEBALL 
TRAINING FACILITY IN TORONTO, 
AND OWNER RAF CHOUDHURY HAS 
PLENTY OF TIME TO TALK TO A 
REPORTER.
USUALLY AT THIS TIME OF YEAR THE
BUILDING IS ALIVE WITH THE SOUND
OF BATS AND BALLS, BUT CANADA'S 
BILLION DOLLAR WORLD OF KIDS 
SPORTS IS STUCK IN TIME, WAITING
TO BE TOLD WHEN IT'S SAFE TO 
PLAY AGAIN.
>> THOSE ZOOM LESSONS ARE GOOD 
FOR THE SPIRIT AND SOUL, BUT IT 
DOESN'T REALLY PAY THE RENT.
SO GETTING BACK UP AND RUNNING 
IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 
CRITICAL TO US IN THE NEXT TWO 
MONTHS.
>> Reporter: EVEN WHEN GAMES 
RESUME, THE CORONAVIRUS WILL 
MEAN A RAFT OF NEW SAFETY RULES,
AND THE PANDEMIC HAS LEFT MANY 
FAMILIES WITH LESS MONEY TO 
SPEND ON SPORTS.
>> THERE WILL BE A PORTION OF 
THE BASEBALL COMMUNITY WHO ARE 
GOING TO BE ELIMINATED FROM THE 
GAME JUST BY DEFAULT BECAUSE 
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE 
FINANCIAL RESOURCES.
>> Reporter: HOCKEY 
ORGANIZATIONS ARE ALSO FEELING 
PRESSURE.
THEIR FOCUS NOW ON NEXT SEASON.
SPRING IS WHEN REGISTRATION 
USUALLY STARTS.
SUSAN IRVING IS A HOCKEY PARENT 
AND PRESIDENT OF TORONTO'S 
LEASIDE HOCKEY ASSOCIATION. 
>> WE ALSO DIDN'T THINK IT WAS 
THE RIGHT TIME TO BE TAKING 
MONEY FROM FAMILIES.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF CLUBS NEED TO
DO THAT JUST TO KEEP THE DOORS 
OPEN AND CASH FLOW.
>> Reporter: SOME CLUBS HAVE 
DELAYED REGISTRATION AND ARE 
OFFERING PAYMENT PLANS.
MANY OF LEASIDE'S TEAMS PLAY IN 
THE GREATER TORONTO HOCKEY 
LEAGUE.  
CANADA'S LARGEST LEAGUE SAYS 
IT'S WORKING TO REDUCE THE COST 
OF PLAYING CANADA'S FAVOURITE 
SPORT.
>> NOW WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING 
ABOUT IT AND THERE'S A LOT 
GREATER DEGREE OF MOTIVATION TO 
MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAKE 
HOCKEY AVAILABLE TO ALL THE 
FAMILIES THAT ARE GOING TO NEED 
IT EVEN MORE. 
>> Reporter: LEAGUE LEADERS LIKE
SCOTT OAKMAN SAY THEIR SPORTS 
MUST BE MORE AFFORDABLE OR IT 
MAY NOT MATTER WHEN PLAYERS ARE 
ALLOWED TO PLAY AGAIN.
JAMIE STRASHIN, CBC NEWS, 
TORONTO.
>> Andrew: NEXT ON "THE 
NATIONAL," IN A TIME WHEN MANY 
GRADUATES WON'T RECEIVE A 
TYPICAL GRADUATION, ONE QUEBEC 
SCHOOL SET OUT TO HONOUR THEIR 
GRADS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
"OUR MOMENT" IS NEXT.
>> Andrew: THIS PARADE OF 
PICTURES WAS A BIG SURPRISE FOR 
THE GRADUATES OF A QUEBEC HIGH 
SCHOOL.
AS THE STUDENTS ARRIVED TODAY TO
CLEAR OUT THEIR LOCKERS FOR THE 
LAST TIME.
FOR SO MANY STUDENTS GRADUATING 
THIS YEAR, THERE WILL NOT BE A 
GRADUATION, AS SUCH, BUT THE 
TEACHERS AT ALEXANDER GALT HIGH 
SCHOOL WANTED TO MAKE THE 
STUDENTS' LAST RETURN A SPECIAL 
ONE, AND THAT IS OUR "MOMENT."
>> WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING TO 
COMMEMORATE THE YEAR BECAUSE OUR
GRADS KIND OF GOT THE SHORT END 
OF THE STICK.
WE WERE LOOKING, LOOKING, 
LOOKING, AND WE SAW THIS IDEA 
DOWN IN FLORIDA WHERE A SCHOOL 
HAD DONE IT, AND WE THOUGHT, YOU
KNOW, WHY NOT DO OUR OWN VERSION
HERE.
>> I SAW ALL THE GRADUATING 
PICTURES OF ALL MY CLASSMATES 
AND FRIENDS THAT I'VE HAD MORE 
OVER FIVE YEARS.
>> I THOUGHT THIS WAS PERFECT.
THEY CAN'T PERSONALLY MEET 
EVERYONE.
IT WAS VERY, VERY THOUGHTFUL 
SEEING ALL OF OUR PICTURES UP.
>> THE WHOLE TIME I WAS IN 
SCHOOL I COULDN'T WAIT TO GET 
OUT OF IT, AND NOW THAT I'M OUT 
OF IT, IT KIND OF SUCKS.
I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GOING TO 
HAVE ANY SORT OF GRADUATION OR 
ANYTHING AT ALL.
THIS IS PRETTY COOL.
>> I HOPE IT RESONATES WITH THEM
THAT WE REALLY DO CARE ABOUT 
THEM.
>> Andrew: WELL, THAT LAST 
STUDENT SAID IT RIGHT.
I REMEMBER HIGH SCHOOL, THE END 
OF IT BEING SUCH AN EMOTIONAL, 
BITTERSWEET THING, AND I THINK 
SEEING SOMETHING LIKE THAT 
TRULY -- MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE 
BROUGHT ME TO TEARS.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> Adrienne: I LOVE WHAT THAT 
TEACHER WAS SAYING, WE GOT THE 
IDEA FROM FLORIDA.
THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THE ONLY 
TIMES EVER THAT EVERYONE IN THE 
WORLD, REGARDLESS OF THEIR 
CULTURE, IS EXPERIENCING THE 
SAME THING, THE SAME TIME.
WE'RE ALL LEARNING FROM EACH 
OTHER, AND THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT
IDEA.
THAT IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR MAY 
14.
GOOD NIGHT.
>> Andrew: GOOD NIGHT.
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