.  
>>  EVERYBODY'S READY. 
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.  I'D LIKE
TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.   
GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO 
MEETING
6 OF THE ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY 
DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. 
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THE MEMBERS 
OF THE COMMUNITY AND ANY 
VISITING MEMBERS.  I SEE NONE AT
THIS TIME. 
AND ALSO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE 
PUBLIC AND TO THE MEDIA. 
MEMBERS YOU CAN FOLLOW THE 
AGENDA AND DEBATE ON YOUR 
COMPUTER, YOUR TABLET AND/OR 
SMART PHONE.  THE ECONOMIC
AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT 
COMMUNITY
ACKNOWLEDGES THE THE LAND WE ARE
MEETING ON IS THE TRADITIONAL 
TERRITORY OF MANY NATIONS 
INCLUDING THE MISSISSAUGAS OF 
THE CREDIT, THE ANISHNABEG, THE 
CHIPPEWA, THE HAUDENOSAUNEE AND 
THE WENDAT PEOPLES AND IS NOW 
HOME TO MANY DIVERSE FIRST 
NATIONS, INUIT AND METIS 
PEOPLES. WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE 
THAT TORONTO IS COVERED BY 
TREATY 13 WITH THE MISSISSAUGAS 
OF THE CREDIT
. 
ALL RIGHT.  SO MEMBERS IS THERE 
ANYONE WHAT DECLARATION OF 
CONFLICT OF INTEREST UNDER THE 
MUNICIPAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST 
ACT?  DOES ANYONE HAVE A 
CONFLICT?  SEEING NONE, THANK 
YOU.  CONFIRMATION OF THE 
MINUTES OF THE MAY 27, 2019, 
MEETING VICE CHAIR GRIMES IS 
MOVING THAT.  ALL THOSE IN 
FAVOR.  OPPOSED.  THAT'S 
CARRIED. 
OKAY.  SO MEMBERS WE ARE MOVING 
RIGHT AHEAD WITH RESPECT TO THE 
AGENDA.  WE HAVE A VERY FULL 
AGENDA, I THINK THERE'S 22 ITEMS
ON THE AGENDA AND THERE'S -- I 
HAVE A NEW BUSINESS ITEM THAT 
HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED BY THE 
CLERK.  I WOULD JUST INVITE 
MEMBERS TO READ THAT. 
GIVE THIS BACK TO YOU, MADAM 
CLERK.  OKAY.  SO I'M GOING TO 
INTRODUCE THE NEW BUSINESS ITEM.
IT IS SUPPORTING 3 SIGNIFICANT 
EVENTS IN TORONTO IN THE 2019 
PERIOD.  AND THE DETAILS ARE 
CONTAINED IN THE REPORT.   
ALL RIGHT.  SO ALL THOSE IN 
FAVOR OF ADDING THIS ITEM AS NEW
BUSINESS?  OPPOSED.  THAT'S 
CARRIED.  THANK YOU.  COUNCILLOR
CARROLL GOOD MORNING WELCOME 
GOOD TO SEE YOU.  ALL RIGHT.   
MEMBERS I'M GOING TO VET THE 
AGENDA.  PLEASE HOLD ANY ITEMS 
THAT YOU WISH AND COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL I SAW YOUR LIST. 
>>  THANK YOU.  
>>  NO PROBLEM.  BUT YOU'RE 
HERE.  OKAY.  LET'S START. 
EC6.1, RECRUITMENT EFFORT 
RELATED
TO AQUALITY PARTICULAR PROGRAMS.
COUNCILLOR CRESSY IS MOVING 
RECEIPT.  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.  
OPPOSED THAT'S CARRIED.  
THANK YOU.  EC6.2, 
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GROWTH 
PLAN AND COMMUNITY RECREATION 
STATUS
UPDATE, VICE CHAIR GRIMES IS 
MOVING READ.  ALL THOSE IN 
FAVOR.  OPPOSED THAT'S CARRIED. 
THANK YOU. 
EC6.3 RECREATION CENTRE STATUS 
UPDATE.  COUNCILLOR LAI.  HOLD, 
OKAY.  EC6.4 CHILDREN SERVICES 
2019
PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL BUDGETS. 
THAT ITEM HAS A NUMBER OF 
SPEAKERS SO WE WILL HOLD THAT 
ITEM.  
-- TERMINATION OF OCCUPANCY 
AGREEMENT WITH SCHOOL BOARD, 
AGAIN WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THAT 
ITEM.  SO I'LL BE HOLDING THAT 
ITEM. 
EC6.6 APPOINTMENT TO BUSINESS 
IMPROVEMENT AREA BOARD OF 
MANAGEMENT.  VICE CHAIR GRIMES 
MOVING THE ITEM.  ALL THOSE IN 
FAVOR.  OPPOSED.  THAT'S 
CARRIED.  THANK YOU. 
EC6.7 APPOINTMENT TO BUSINESS 
IMPROVEMENT AREA BOARD OF 
MANAGEMENT, MOUNT PLEASANT 
VILLAGE
BIA.  COUNCILLOR CARROLL IS 
MOVING THE ITEM.  ALL THOSE IN 
FAVOR.  OPPOSED.  THAT'S 
CARRIED.  THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL. 
EC6.8, STRENGTHENING TORONTO'S 
NIGHT ECONOMY.  WE HAVE SPEAKERS
ON THIS ITEM.  SO WE WILL BE 
HOLDING THAT. 
EC6.9, 2020 SHELTER 
INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN AND SYSTEM 
UPDATE. 
ALL RIGHT.  SO WE'LL BE HOLDING 
THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.  THANK 
YOU. 
THE SPEAKER HAS WITHDRAWN.  FAIR
ENOUGH SO WE'LL HOLD THAT IN 
COUNCILLOR CRESSY'S NAME.  OKAY.
EC6 POINT 1020 EC6.102019 
FUNDING ALLOCATION FOR SHELTERS 
AND RELATE SERVICE. 
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>>  OKAY.  COUNCILLOR CRESSY IS 
MOVING THAT ITEM, ALL THOSE IN 
FAVOR.  OPPOSED.  THAT'S 
CARRIED.  THANK YOU. 
EC6.11, AMENDMENTS TO PURCHASE
ORDER 
6048571, 6045120, AND 6048213 
FOR EMERGENCY HOTEL, MOTEL 
ACCOMMODATION AND 
RECOMMENDATIONS TO AWARD REQUEST
FOR PROPOSAL NUMBER
6815-18-7217 SHORT-TERM MOTEL 
ACCOMMODATION FOR SHELTER 
CLIENTS.  THAT'S A LONG ONE, I 
KNOW.  COUNCILLOR GRIMES MOVING 
THAT.  OKAY AND I WANT TO THANK 
THE STAFF FOR THE GOOD WORK AND 
MADAM DCM AND TEAM FOR THE 
CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD ON 
THIS PARTICULAR MATTER.   
ALL RIGHT.  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. 
 OPPOSED.  THAT'S CARRIED.  
THANK YOU. 
EC6.12 CITY OF TORONTO'S 
COMMUNITY SAFETY AND WELLBEING 
PLAN. 
OKAY.  SORRY.  I HAVE A MOTION 
AND IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD 
NEWS MOTION SO MAYBE JUST ASK 
THE CLERK TO PUT THE MOTION ON 
THE SCREEN.  WE'RE GOING TO 
RECEIVE MONEY TO BASICALLY FUND 
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 
JUSTICE CENTER IN THE DOWNTOWN 
AND EAST AND NORTHEAST AREA OF 
THE CITY OF TORONTO.  SO THE 
ADMINISTER OF THE ATTORNEY -- 
MINISTER OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
IS OBVIOUSLY CONTINUING TO WORK 
WITH US.  SO THIS IS GOOD NEWS. 
 PROVINCIALLY, YES.  YES.  
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>>  THAT'S WHAT I SAID, IT'S 
GOOD NEWS.  OKAY.  SO THE MOTION
IS ON THE SCREEN.  ALL THOSE IN 
FAVOR OF THE MOTION. 
>>  [OFF MIC]
ALL RIGHT.  SO ALL THOSE IN 
FAVOR OF THE MOTION AND THE GOOD
NEWS? OPPOSED.  THAT'S CARRIED. 
AND I WANT TO THANK THE PROVE 
CONVINCE MINISTRY
OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.  
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>>  THANK YOU.  I'M NOT TOUCHING
THAT.  EC6.13 TORONTO'S ACTION 
PLAN TO CONFRONT ANTI-BLACK 
RACISM UPDATE, WE'RE GOING TO 
HOLD THAT ITEM.  WE HAVE SEVERAL
SPEAKERS. 
OKAY.  MOVING RIGHT ALONG EC6 
POINT 14
.14 YOUTH SERVICE REVIEW 
DIRECTIONS REPORT.  THIS ITEM IS
HERE FOR INFORMATION. 
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>>  OKAY.  COUNCILLOR CRESSY 
WISHES TO HOLD THIS ITEM.  IS 
THAT ONE OF YOURS AS WELL 
COUNCILLOR -- 
>> YEAH.  
>>  OKAY.  FAIR ENOUGH.  
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>>  OKAY.  I JUST HAD TO CHECK 
YOUR LIST.  SO COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL -- YOU GUYS CAN SHARE 
THAT. 
OKAY.  MOVING RIGHT ALONG. 
EC6.15, COMMUNITY BENEFITS 
FRAMEWORK.  WE HAVE A NUMBER OF 
SPEAKERS ON THAT ITEM.  SO WE'LL
BE HOLDING THAT. 
EC6.16 DOWNTOWN EAST 2023RD FIVE
YEAR ACTION PLAN.  WE HAVE 
SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.  SO WE'LL
BE HOLDING THAT. 
EC6.17, DOWNTOWN WEST SERVICE 
AND FACILITIES REVIEW UPDATES.  
WHAT'S THE NUMBER? 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  OKAY.  SO COUNCILLOR CRESSY 
I'LL PUT THAT IN YOUR NAME. 
EC6.18 IMPLEMENTING THE REGISTER
GHENT PARK SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT 
PLAN.  WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THAT 
ITEM.  BE HOLDING THAT. 
>>  [OFF MIC] 
.  
>>  NO, YOU'RE HOLDING IT.  DO 
YOU WANT TO HOLD 16 AS WELL? 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  BECAUSE WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON 
16.  THAT'S ALL RIGHT.  AND 
YOU'RE HOLDING 17 SO WE'RE GOOD.
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>>  THAT'S ALL RIGHT.  BUSY DAY 
SO FAR, COUNCILLOR. 
EC6.19 TORONTO
GRANT POLICY UPDATES.  WE HAVE 
SPEAKERS ON THAT ITEM. 
WE'LL BE HOLDING THAT. 
OKAY.  
 -- POINT 20MUNITY SERVICE 
PARTNERSHIP RENEWAL, AGAIN, WE 
HAVE SPEAKERS ON THAT PARTICULAR
ITEM.  SO BE HOLDING THAT. 
SO THIS WAS HELD OVER FROM
EC6.21.  LET'S SEE TORONTO
ECONOMIC BULLETIN.  SHALL WE 
HOLD THIS? 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  YOU'RE GOOD  
>> YEAH. 
>>  SO WE'LL -- MOVE TO ADOPT 
THEN. 
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>>  IT'S GOING TO COME TO 
COUNCIL.  MOVE TO ADOPT, OKAY 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL IS MOVING TO 
ADOPT.  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?   
 OPPOSED?  CARRIED.  THANK YOU. 
ALL RIGHT. 
EC6.22 FORMATION OF A BUSINESS 
IMPROVEMENT AREA IN SCARBOROUGH 
EAST OFF MCCOWAN.   
THIS IS A LETTER FROM COUNCILLOR
AINSLIE, COUNCILLOR AINSLIE WAS 
GOING TO ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT HERE
BUT HE'S SUGGESTED TO THE CLERK 
THAT WE ADOPT THIS.  HE DOESN'T 
HAVE TO COME IN AND SPEAK.  SO 
COUNCILLOR GRIMES YOU'RE GOING 
TO MOVE THIS.  VICE CHAIR GRIMES
IS MOVING.  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 
 OPPOSED?  THAT'S CARRIED.  
OKAY. 
THANK YOU. 
SO MEMBERS, THE LAST ITEM IS
EC6.23 WHICH IS THE NEW BUSINESS
THAT WE'VE ADDED HERE.   
HAS ANYONE -- HAS EVERYONE READ 
THIS ITEM?  DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS, CONCERNS?   
COUNCILLOR CARROLL, WOULD YOU 
LIKE ME TO LEAVE IT FOR -- 
>> NOPE, I HAVEN'T READ IT ALL 
BUT I TRUST YOU IMPLICITLY. 
>>  YOU SHOULD.  SO ALL THOSE --
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  OKAY.  OKAY.  COUNCILLOR 
FORD WOULD LIKE TO JUST HOLD 
THIS ITEM DOWN FOR A MOMENT.   
OKAY.  I'LL HOLD IT IN YOUR NAME
COUNCILLOR FORD. 
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>>  YEAH. 
>>  I WILL HOLD IT FOR ONE 
REASON.   
>>  SO IT'S HELD. 
>>  WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON IT. 
>> WE HAVEN'T.  
>>  WE HAVEN'T, OH, OKAY.  
>>  WE'VE JUST ADDED IT, 
COUNCILLOR FORD IS HOLDING IT.  
>>  GOOD BECAUSE I DO HAVE A 
POINTED QUESTION.  
>>  THAT'S FINE.  I WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT ALL POINTED QUESTIONS 
THAT ARE POINTED TO ME YOU'LL 
HAVE TO ASK THOSE BEFORE THE 
LUNCH BREAK BECAUSE I WON'T BE 
HERE AFTER.  VICE CHAIR GRIMES 
WILL BE TAKING THE CHAIR.  SO I 
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE 
CAN DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT YOU 
MAY HAVE ON THIS.  ALL RIGHT SO 
WE ARE MOVING BACK TO THE 
BEGINNING. 
SO COUNCILLOR LAI WE'RE MOVING 
TO EC6.3 WHICH IS THE AGINCOURT 
RECREATION CENTRE STATUS UPDATE.
SO DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF 
STAFF? 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  OKAY.  SO ARE WE GOOD 
MEMBERS? 
EC6.3.
>>  AGINCOURT COMMUNITY CENTRE 
UPDATE.  QUESTIONS OF STAFF.   
I'M NOT SURE WHICH STAFF IS 
GOING TO ANSWER BUT PARKS AND 
RECREATION STAFF ARE HERE.  
>>  THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.  FIRST
OF ALL I'D LIKE TO THANK STAFF 
FOR DEALING WITH THIS MATTER.   
AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF 
QUESTIONS TO ASK. 
>>  YES. 
>>  WOULD ANYBODY BE ABLE TO 
TELL ME WHAT IS THE
ROUGHLY THE MONETARY DAMAGE TO 
THE CENTRE.  
>>  SO THROUGH THE CHAIR WE'RE 
JUST AWAITING STAFF FROM RISK 
MANAGEMENT TO COME DOWN WHO CAN 
GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE INSURANCE 
CLAIM AND THE VALUE IT.  SO WE 
CAN EITHER HOLD THE ITEM DOWN 
UNTIL THEY ARRIVE.  I UNDERSTAND
THEY'RE EN ROUTE. 
>>  YEAH. 
>>  I'M SORRY.  THE STAFF ARE 
NOT HERE?  
>> NO. 
>>  OKAY.  ALL RIGHT.  WHAT TIME
WILL THE STAFF BE HERE? 
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE 
PROBABLY ON THE ELEVATOR. 
>>  OKAY.  ALL RIGHT.  FAIR 
ENOUGH. 
OKAY. 
>> COUNCILLOR, IS THERE ANOTHER 
QUESTION WE COULD ANSWER WHILE 
WE'RE WAITING? 
>> THAT'S FINE WE'LL HOLD IT 
DOWN AND MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM 
AND WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS 
AFTER WE'VE CONCLUDED THE NEXT 
ITEM.  OKAY.  SO WE ARE THEN 
MOVING TO
THE NEXT ITEM EC6.5, THE 
TERMINATION OF OCCUPANCY 
AGREEMENT WITH SCHOOL BOARD.  --
SORRY,
6.4.  SORRY.  I'M AHEADING 
MYSELF THERE, VICE CHAIR GRIMES.
6.4 THE CHILDREN SERVICES 2019 
PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL BUDGET.  
I'M LOOKING FOR FOLLOWING 
SPEAKERS:  THE ONTARIO COALITION
FOR BETTER CHILD CARE AND ALSO 
JANE MERCER THE TORONTO 
COALITION FOR BETTER CHILD CARE.
HI HI.  ARE YOU CAROLYN?  I 
DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE 
BEFORE. 
YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES TO SPEAK.   
THE CLOCK TO YOUR LEFT WILL SHOW
YOU THE TIME.  AND MEMBERS MAY 
HAVE QUESTIONS OF YOU ONCE 
YOU'RE FINISHED SPEAKING AND YOU
MAY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AS 
YOU WISH. 
>>  SURE.  
>>  OKAY.  READY? 
>> YEP.   
>>  THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING AND 
WELCOME.  
>>  GOOD MORNING, CHAIR THOMPSON
THOMPSON, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.   
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE 
ONTARIO COALITION FOR BETTER 
CHILD CARE.  WE REPRESENT 
HUNDREDS OF NON-PROFIT CHILD 
CARE PROGRAMS ACROSS THE 
PROVINCE AS WELL AS PROVINCIAL 
ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUAL 
PARENTS AND EDUCATORS ADVOCATING
FOR BETTER CHILD CARE IN 
ONTARIO.  SO LET'S TALK ABOUT 
THE PROVINCIAL BUDGET.  BACK IN 
APRIL THE DAY THAT THE 
PROVINCIAL BUDGET CAME DOWN THE 
CHILD CARE COMMUNITY WAS LEFT 
SCRATCHING OUR HEADS AS I'M SURE
MANY OF YOU WERE TOO.  ON THAT 
DAY THERE WAS SO LITTLE DETAIL 
THAT IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ANYONE 
WHAT HAD JUST HAPPENED TO 
FUNDING FOR CHILD CARE.  AND 
OVER THE NEXT WEEK AS THE 
PICTURE CAME INTO FOCUS IT 
BECAME CLEAR THAT THE DEVIL WAS 
IN THE DETAILS.  ONCE THE 
ALLOCATIONS AND COST CHANGES 
WERE RELEASED WE COULD SEE THAT 
CHILD CARE WAS FACING 
SIGNIFICANT CUTS, AS WERE SO 
MANY OTHER VITAL SERVICES, 
PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES AND 
OTHERS.  AND ACROSS ONTARIO OUR 
MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS, PARENTS 
AND EDUCATORS WERE TRYING TO 
MOUNT AN EFFECTIVE RESISTANCE TO
THESE CUTS BUT FELT AT A LOSS AS
TO HOW TO GAIN TRACTION AND 
ATTENTION TO THE DEVASTATION 
THAT THESE CUTS WOULD HAVE.  AND
IT WAS THE CITY OF TORONTO'S 
LEADERSHIP THAT MADE A 
DIFFERENCE.  FROM MAYOR TORY'S 
FIRST STATEMENT, CITY STAFF THAT
CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS TO SHOW THE
TRUE IMPACT THAT THESE COULD YOU
TELL US WOULD HAVE -- THAT NEWS 
CONFERENCE WITH PARENTS AND 
EDUCATORS HERE AT CITY HALL.   
 COUNCILLORS WHO VISITED CHILD 
CARE PROGRAMS.  AND EVERY 
COUNCILLOR BUT ONE WHO VOTED TO 
OPPOSE THE CUTS.  ALL I CAN SAY 
IS THANK YOU.  YOU TRULY ARE 
CHILD CARE CHAMPIONS FOR THAT 
AND I MADE A DIFFERENCE.  NOW, I
WISH THAT I COULD SAY THAT 
THINGS ARE GOING TO GET EASIER 
NOW BUT WE KNOW THAT THE CLOCK 
IS TICKING, THAT THE CUTS HAVE 
JUST BEEN PUT ON HOLD AND OUR 
GREATEST CHALLENGES ARE TO COME.
THE REPORT IN FRONT OF US THIS 
MORNING TALKS ABOUT THE CHANGES 
THAT THE PROVINCE IS MAKING THAT
COULD IMPACT 51 CHILD CARE 
PROGRAMS OVER 3,000 CHILD CARE 
SPACES.  TO RECEIVE THE 
PROVINCE'S CAPITAL FUNDING THE 
PROVINCE HAS MADE A CHANGES AND 
REQUIRING THAT MUNICIPALITIES 
CONFIRM THAT THEY CAN KIND THE 
OPERATING FUNDING.  SO THIS PUTS
MUNICIPALITIES, PUTS THE CITY OF
TORONTO IN AN IMPOSSIBLE 
POSITION BECAUSE THE PROVINCE 
HAS JUST CHANGED THE RULES IN 
THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME AGAIN.   
SO AS A FIRST STEP I AGREE WITH 
STAFF'S RECOMMEND DEPUTATION 
THAT MORE TIME IS NEEDED SOD 
THERE CAN BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO 
SECURE THE FUNDING THAT'S NEEDED
FOR THESE PROJECTS TO GO AHEAD 
FOR THESE 3,000 CHILD CARE 
SPACES TO GO AHEAD.  AND LET ME 
BE CLEAR, THEY MUST GO AHEAD.  I
KNOW THERE CAN BE A TEMPTATION 
TO BATON DOWN THE HATCHES AT 
TIMES LIKE THIS, BUT THAT'S NOT 
WHO WE ARE, THAT'S NOT HOW WE 
PUSH BACK SUCCESSFULLY AGAINST 
THE CUTS TO CHILD CARE THIS 
SPRANG.  WE KNOW WHAT OUR CITY 
NEEDS.  AND WE KNOW THAT OUR 
SYSTEM MUST GROW TO SERVE MORE 
FAMILIES.  DEPUTY MAYOR 
THOMPSON, THINK BASS TO THAT 
PRESS CONFERENCE HERE AT CITY 
HALL AT THE BEGINNING OF MAY 
THIS WAS A MOTHER AND HER 
18-MONTH OLD HERE, THAT MOTHER 
SAID THAT SHE HAD BEEN ON 
WAITING LISTS FOR CHILD CARE 
SINCE SHE WAS PREGNANT AND SHE 
WAS STILL WAITING.  SHE SAID AND
I QUOTE, I HAVE NEVER FELT SO 
POWERLESS WITHOUT AN INCOME AND 
MY PARTNER AND I ARE RUNNING OUT
OF OUR SAVINGS TRYING TO MAKE 
ENDS MEET.  NOW, THESE
51 PLANNED CHILD CARE CENTERS 
WILL HELP WOMEN WHO MIGHT JUST 
BE GETTING THEIR PREGNANCY 
RESULTS TODAY AND THINKING ABOUT
HOW THEY COULD POSSIBLY GROW 
THEIR FAMILY AND STILL LIVE AND 
WORK IN OUR CITY.  SO I'M 
CHALLENGING EACH YOU HERE TODAY 
TO WORK TO SECURE THE FUNDING 
NEEDED FOR THESE PROGRAMS.  OUR 
ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN HEARING 
ABOUT OTHER CASE ACROSS THE 
PROVINCE WHERE SMALL TOWNS SO 
CLOSE TO GETTING THEIR VERY 
FIRST CHILD CARE PROGRAM ARE 
HAVING THEIR HOPES THWARTED.   
THIS MUST BE CHALLENGED AND KNOW
THAT WE'LL BE CHALLENGING IT AT 
THE PROVINCIAL LEVEL, BUT WE 
NEED TORONTO'S LEADERSHIP AGAIN 
AND I CALL ON EACH OF YOU HERE 
TO DO WHAT YOU CAN TO CHALLENGE 
IT HERE IN TORONTO AND MAKE SURE
THAT OUR CHILD CARE SYSTEM CAN 
CONTINUE TO SERVE MORE OF 
TORONTO'S FAMILIES AND NOT LESS.
SO IN CLOSING, TORONTO HAS YEARS
OF SERVICE PLANNING EXPERIENCE, 
EXPERT REPORTS AN AMAZING CHILD 
CARE GROWTH STRATEGY.  SO I 
WOULD URGE YOU DON'T LET WHAT WE
KNOW IS BEST FOR OUR CITY AND 
OUR CHILDREN BE SNATCHED OUT OF 
OUR GRASP BY THE ONTARIO 
GOVERNMENT.  THANK YOU VERY 
MUCH.  HAPPY TO TAKE ANY 
QUESTIONS.   
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  ARE 
THERE ANY QUESTIONS?  THERE ARE 
NO QUESTIONS OF YOU, MA'AM.  
>>  OKAY.  THANKS VERY MUCH.  
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  THANK 
YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.  JANE
MERCER. 
JANE MERCER GOING TWICE.  JANE
MERCER.  JANE MERCER IS NOT 
HERE.  ALL RIGHT.  SO MEMBERS.  
WHAT SAY YOU?  QUESTIONS OF 
STAFF?  VISITING MEMBER 
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM.  THANK YOU,
OKAY.  COUNCILLOR CRESSY. 
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.  JUST 
FIRST OF ALL, SO I UNDERSTAND TO
STAFF, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON 
THE WAITING LIST FOR SUBSIDIES 
IS WHAT CURRENTLY? 
>> IS ROUGHLY AROUND 15,000 
TODAY.  
>>  15,000.  AND OUR GROWTH 
STRATEGY FOR THE NUMBER OF 
SUBSIDIES TO PROVIDE HAD 
ANTICIPATED HOW MANY NEW 
SUBSIDIES THIS YEAR AND NEXT 
YEAR?  
>> I'M SORRY, COUNCILLOR, I 
DON'T HAVE THE GROWTH STRATEGY 
IN FRONT OF ME BUT THE BENCH 
MARK WAS THAT EVERY WARD WOULD 
HAVE 40% FEE SUBSIDIES AVAILABLE
IN EACH WARD. 
>>  SO BASED ON THE CHANGES THAT
ARE BEING BROUGHT FORWARD FOR 
2020, CAN WE MEET OUR GROWTH 
STRATEGY TARGETS?   
>>  NOT UNDER THE CURRENT FISCAL
ENVIRONMENT. 
>>  OKAY.  IN -- SO IN 2019, I 
UNDERSTAND THAT THE ORIGINAL 
PROPOSAL FOR THE REDUCTION IN 
FUNDING WAS REVERSED, IS THAT 
CORRECT?  
>> IT WAS
DIFFERED. 
>>  NOW, IN READING THE REPORT 
BUT THERE STILL IS A REDUCTION 
IN SOME FUNDING.  I SEE A BASE 
REDUCTION OF
3.1 MILLION, THE ENDING OF THE 
PROGRAM RESULTING -- A REDUCTION
IN THE WAGE ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM 
OF 4 HUNDRED THOUSAND, YOU KNOW 
MY QUICK MATH 8.7, THAT'S NEARLY
12 MILLION DOLLARS IN A 
REDUCTION OF FUNDING YEAR IS 
THAT CORRECT? 
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.  
>>  SO HOW ARE WE MAKING UP THAT
11 AND A HALF TO 12 MILLION 
DOLLARS THIS
YEAR?  
>> FOR 2019, WE'RE FINE WITH OUR
ALLOCATION.  IT'S BUSINESS AS 
USUAL.  WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW 
WITHIN THE BUDGET CONSULTATION 
AND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS START
LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN COME UP 
WITH THE COST SHARING AMOUNT TO 
MAINTAIN THOSE ALLOCATIONS AND
SERVICES. 
>>  SO SO WHERE IS THE MONEY 
COMING FROM OR IN YOUR FUNDING 
BASED ON THAT 11 TO 12 MILLION 
DOLLARS REDUCTION?  
>> COUNCILLOR CRESSY I'M GOING 
TO ASK -- TO ANSWER THAT 
QUESTION FOR YOU.   
>>  THROUGH THE CHAIR, THE 
BIGGEST REDUCTION IN 2019 WAS 
THE FEE STABILIZATION SUPPORT 
PROGRAM.  SO THAT PROGRAM HAS 
ENDED.  THE PROVINCE HAS 
TERMINATED THE PROGRAM AS OF 
MARCH 31ST.  SO WHILE THERE IS 
LESS REVENUE WE WILL ALSO NOT BE
DELIVERING THE PROGRAM. 
>>  OKAY.  AND SO THEN THE 
REDUCTION IN BASE FUNDING OF 3.1
MILLION THE REDUCTION IN WAGE 
ENHANCEMENT OF -- THAT'S -- 
IF PROGRAMS ARE NOT BEING 
IMPACTED IN 2019, TO THE DEPUTY 
CITY MANAGER WHERE IS THAT MONEY
COME FROM? 
>> MY UNDERSTANDING AND MAYBE --
CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE
WAGE ENHANCEMENT WAS AN 
APPLICATION-BASED PROGRAM. 
SO IF MONEY WOULD -- IF THAT 
MONEY WERE TO FLOW TO US AND THE
CHILD CARE OPERATORS WOULD HAVE 
APPLIED FOR FUNDING AND WE WOULD
HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GRANT THAT 
FUNDING.  SINCE WE'RE NOT 
GETTING THAT MONEY WE'RE NOT 
GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT 
APPLICATIONS FROM THE CHILD CARE
COMMUNITY.  
>>  OKAY.  SO THERE'S NOT GOING 
TO BE IN 2019, THE SAME LEVEL OF
SERVICE THEN BECAUSE WE'RE NOT 
ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT FUNDING. 
>> FOR THE CHILD CARE OPERATORS,
THAT'S CORRECT.  
>>  SO WE ARE PROVIDING LESS 
SERVICE IN 2019, BECAUSE OF THE 
REDUCTION IN FUNDING, IT IS NOT 
JUST DIFFERED? 
>> FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM 
THAT'S CORRECT.  
>>  OKAY.  UNDERSTOOD.  2020, WE
RECEIVED A MEMO I SEE A FEW 
WEEKS AGO THAT STATED THAT THE 
REDUCTION IN FUNDING ON A GO 
FORWARD BASIS FOR CHILD CARE IN 
THIS CITY IS GOING AHEAD IN 
2020, IS THAT CORRECT? 
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.  IT'S 
EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST.  
>>  HOW MANY FEWER SUBSIDIES 
WILL THE CITY BE -- WILL BE --  
HOW MANY FEWER SUBSIDIES WILL 
THE CITY BE PROVIDING UNLESS WE 
-- HOW MANY FEWER SUBSIDIES WILL
THE CITY BE PROVIDING BASED ON 
THAT REDUCTION.  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, STAFF ARE 
WORKING TO REVIEW ALL OF THE 
OPERATIONS ACROSS THE DIVISION 
TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND 
EFFICIENCIES FIRST.  AND OTHER 
STROBILE GEESE.  I CAN'T GIVE 
YOU A NUMBER. 
>>  A COUPLE -- A MONTH AND A 
HALF AGO STAFF PROVIDED US WITH 
THE BREAK DOWN OF THE NUMBER 
THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BASED ON 
THIS REDUCTION, HOW MANY IS 
THAT?  WE HAD A BOARD YOU 
CREATED THAT WAS OUTSIDE.  
>>  THAT'S CORRECT.  I CAN'T 
RECALL THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW.   
THAT WAS BASED ON THE WHOLE -- 
>>  IT WAS MORE THAN 6,000.  
>>  THAT'S CORRECT, IT WAS MORE 
THAN 6,000.  
>>  SO MORE THAN 6 THOUSAND IS A
DECEMBER ARE AT RISK BASED ON 
THE FUNDING CHANGES THAT HAVE 
BEEN ANNOUNCED FOR 2020, IS THAT
CORRECT?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, THAT'S 
CORRECT IF WE CAN'T FIND OTHER 
WAYS OF COMING UP WITH SAVINGS 
AND WE ARE WORKING AS A CITY, 
NOT ONLY AS -- WE'RE NOT ONLY 
LOOKING WITHIN CHILDREN SERVICES
WE'RE LOOKING ACROSS COMMUNITY 
AND SOCIAL SERVICES AND THE 
OTHER DIVISIONS AND TRYING TO 
WORK TOGETHER ON HOW BEST WE 
NAVIGATE OUR WAY FORWARD IN 
2020. 
>>  OKAY.  THANK YOU.  
>>  THANK YOU.   
>> COUNCILLOR FORD AND THEN 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL. 
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 
CHAIR.  I'M JUST GOING TO BE 
GOING BACK TO A REPORT LAST 
YEAR.  I KNOW THIS PARTICULARLY 
ON PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL 
BUDGETS.  THERE WAS A REPORT 
THAT CAME TO CITY COUNCIL LAST 
YEAR TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND 
I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME 
OPPORTUNITIES TO ACHIEVE GREATER
VALUE FOR CHILD CARE FROM PUBLIC
FUNDS AND IT CALLED FOR ROUGHLY 
THE AUDITOR GENERAL RECOMMENDED 
ABOUT 28 POINT 2 MILLION DOLLARS
SAVINGS, DID CITY COUNCIL ACT ON
THAT REPORT LAST TERM?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCILLOR
FORD, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING 
TO THE REVIEW.  IS THAT -- THE 
RECOMMENDATION -- 
>> [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS].  
>>  THE AUDITOR GENERAL'S 
RECOMMENDATION.  
>>  OKAY.  SO THAT 
RECOMMENDATION ASKED CHILDREN 
SERVICES TO CONDUCT A REVIEW OF 
OUR MUNICIPALLY OPERATE 
PROGRAMS.  WE'VE DONE AN RFP AND
JUST IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING 
THAT FINAL SIGN OFF SO THAT WILL
START SHORTLY.  
>>  AND WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THAT 
TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND THE 
TIME LINE ON THAT?  
>> THE SECOND QUARTER.  
>>  SECOND QUARTER? 
>> YES.  
>>  OKAY.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
>> YEAH. 
>>  THANK YOU.  COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL QUESTIONS.   
>>  YES, I'M SORRY I MISSED THE 
DEPUTATIONS I WAS OUTSIDE 
WORKING ON A FUTURE ITEM ON THE 
AGENDA. 
I THINK THE UNDERSTANDING OF OUR
ROLE IN THE EARLY ON CENTRES IS 
NOT WELL UNDERSTOOD IN THE 
COMMUNITY.  AND CONFUSED BY THE 
TDSB MOTION.  IF WE WERE RESOLVE
THE ISSUE FUNDING OCCUPANCY 
GRANT, HAVE WE SOLVED ALL OF THE
ISSUES THAT ARE RAISED BY THEIR 
MOTION THAT WE SHOULD JUST TAKE 
OVER DELIVERY OF THEM, OR DO WE 
NEED FUNDING BEYOND THAT IF WE 
WERE GOING TO SEE THOSE PROGRAMS
CONTINUE?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, TDSB, 
YOU'RE CORRECT TDSB HAS PUT 
THROUGH A MOTION FOR US TO 
ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR 
EARLY ON PROGRAMS BUT THAT IS 
BECAUSE OF THEIR EXISTING 
DEFICIT THAT'S INCURRED THROUGH 
STAFF COSTS.  SO THE OCCUPANCY 
WOULDN'T ADDRESS THAT.   
>>  SO SO IT'S NOT UNDERSTOOD 
YET WHETHER OR NOT IF WE SOLVE 
THEIR OCCUPANCY ISSUE, THEY 
WOULD BE WILLING TO SAY YOU 
FUNDED CITY AND HERE WE WILL 
FLOW THROUGH THE STAFF COSTS WE 
USED TO INCUR, WE DON'T EVEN 
KNOW IF THAT WILL HAPPEN?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I DON'T 
THINK I UNDERSTAND THE TERM 
OCCUPANCY.  ARE YOU TALKING 
ABOUT AN OCCUPANCY GRANT?   
BECAUSE THOSE PROGRAMS THAT ARE 
OPERATED IN THE SCHOOL BOARDS DO
NOT -- THEY'RE NOT CHARGED A 
LEASE AMOUNT.  SO IT'S THEIR 
OPERATING COSTS.  THEIR 
OPERATING COSTS INCREASE YEAR 
OVER YEAR.  PRIMARILY BECAUSE 
THEY HAVE A UNIONIZED WORK 
ENVIRONMENT THAT THERE ARE CITY 
FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE
PROVINCE.  IT DOESN'T KEEP PACE 
TO THAT INCREASE.  I HOPE THAT'S
CLEAR. 
>>  IT IS EXCEPT THAT WHAT I'M 
NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT SOMEONE 
FROM THE TDSB TOLD ME WAS THAT 
IF WE DON'T CONTINUE TO FUND THE
OCCUPANCY GRANT, WE ALSO AFFECT 
THEM BECAUSE IN THEIR EDUCATION 
ACT SQUARE FOOTAGE CALCULATIONS 
THEY'RE TAKING THE SPACE THAT IS
A LOTTED FOR EARLY ON CENTRES 
AND HAVING IT OUT OF SCHOOL 
SQUARE FOOTAGE PROGRAMMING 
CALCULATIONS AND PUTTING IT WITH
OUR CHILD CARE CENTRES, IS THAT 
TRUE, OR IS THAT A LACK OF 
UNDERSTANDING ON THE TRUSTEE
THAT I SPOKE TO PART?  
>> SO WE HAVE AN OCCUPANCY GRANT
THAT COVERS A SET NUMBER OF 
CHILD CARE PROGRAMS AT A LOWER 
MARKET RATE FOR -- 
>>  RIGHT.  
>>  SQUARE FOOTAGE.  
>>  AND THEY TAKE THE SQUARE 
FOOTAGE TO WHICH YOU'RE APPLYING
THAT AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO MOVE
THAT OUT OF THEIR CALCULATION OF
WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED TO 
CLOSE SCHOOLS. 
>>  I'M NOT QUITE FAMILIAR WITH 
HOW THEY BUDGET -- 
>>  OH, OKAY.  
>> YEAH, I'M STRUGGLING WITH 
THAT ONE, COUNCILLOR, BECAUSE 
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR 
BUDGET PROCESS  
>> OKAY.  OKAY.  SO THAT'S A 
SIDE ISSUE THAT'S REALLY OVER 
THERE.  IT MIGHT COME UP IN OUR 
DISCUSSIONS BUT IT'S A SIDE 
ISSUE.  SO IN THEIR MOTION 
THEY'D BE ASKING US TO PICK UP 
THEIR ACTUAL DAY-TO-DAY 
OPERATING COSTS AND WE WOULD 
HAVE TO IMPOSE A DIFFERENT STAFF
MODEL TO DO SO.   
>>  THROUGH THE CHAIR, WELL, 
THAT'S AN INTERESTING ONE 
BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY JUST HAVE 
THE MOTION.  WE HAVE A MEETING 
SET WITH TDSB TO REALLY 
UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THAT 
MOTION, IS IT TO TERMINATE, IS 
IT TO ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY?  SO
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF UNKNOWNS 
WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.   
>>  OKAY.  I THINK THERE'S A 
MOTION COMING TO REPORT BACK 
AFTER YOU HAVE THAT MEETING.  SO
I WON'T TAKE ANY MORE TIME.  
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.  ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONING?  OKAY.  TO SPEAK, 
COUNCILLOR CRESSY.  
>>  THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.  AND I
HAVE A MOTION IF IT COULD BE PUT
ON SCREEN.  THE FIRST IS TO 
DIRECT CHILDREN SERVICES TO 
REPORT TO OCTOBER MEETING OF 
THIS COMMITTEE WITH AN UPDATE ON
SERVICE IMPACTS BASED ON THESE 
FUNDING CHANGES.  AS WE'VE HEARD
HERE TODAY, WE KNOW THERE ARE 
IMPACTS WE NEED A FULL UPDATE 
WHAT THOSE ARE.  THE SECOND IS 
REQUESTING THE GENERAL MANAGER 
OF CHILDREN SERVICES TO REPORT 
TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING ON THE 
STATUS REGARDING THESE EARLY ON 
PROGRAMS THAT WITHOUT WARNING OR
NOTICE THE TDSB BASED ON THEIR 
OWN FUNDING CHALLENGES HAVE SAID
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THESE
ANY MORE THE CITY, YOU TAKE IT 
UP.  WELL, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM 
AS WELL.   
CHILD CARE AND I'LL SPEAK VERY 
BRIEFLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A FULL 
AGENDA, CHILD CARE SHOULD BE 
ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE.  IT'S
JUST THAT SIMPLE.  IN A COUNTRY 
AND A CITY LIKE OURS TO THINK 
THAT YOU HAVE TO DEBATE WHETHER 
OR NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN AND HOW 
MANY CHILDREN TO HAVE AND 
WHETHER OR NOT TO GO BACK TO 
WORK BECAUSE YOU CANNOT --  
BECAUSE YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE 
ABLE TO AFFORD CHILD CARE IS 
SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE.  AND I 
MEAN, WE HAVE A WAITING LIST OF 
15 THOUSAND15,000 PEOPLE LOOKING
FOR SUB IS A DECEMBER.  PEOPLE 
WHO CAN CANNOT ACCESS SUBSIDIES 
RIGHT NOW.  SO EVERY MONTH ARE 
BEING FORCED TO SPEND MORE THAN 
THEY CAN AFFORD TO ENSURE THAT 
THEIR CHILDREN HAVE A PLACE TO 
GO TO LEARN AND THEY AS PARENTS 
CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE.  AND 
THAT'S JUST FOR PEOPLE LOOKING 
FOR SUBSIDIES LET ALONE THOSE 
WHO IN THEORY CAN AFFORD TO PAY.
THE AVERAGE PRICE FOR INFANT 
CHILD CARE IN THE CITY IS 2 
THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH.  
INFANT CHILD CARE.  THE AVERAGE 
PRICE FOR TODDLER CHILD CARE IS 
IN THE REALM OF 16 TO $1,800 A 
MONTH.   
HOW CAN PEOPLE AFFORD THAT?  AND
IT'S NOW BECOME CHILD CARE THE 
MOST EXPENSIVE IN TORONTO OF 
ANYWHERE IN CANADA.  AND SO IN 
THAT CONTEXT THIS COUNCIL WE 
WORKED REALLY HARD TO COME UP 
WITH OUR GROWTH PLAN, A GROWTH 
PLAN TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE 
REDUCING THE SUBSIDY WAITING 
LIST.  WE WERE WORKING HARD TO 
TRY TO MAKE CHILD CARE JUST A 
LITTLE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND 
AFFORDABLE FOR THOSE WHO NEED 
IT.  AND IN THAT CONTEXT WE NOW 
WILL RECEIVE LESS MONEY.   
MONEY THAT COULD IMPACT 
DEPENDING ON OUR REVIEW MORE 
THAN 6 THOUSAND SUBSIDIES NEXT 
YEAR.  
NOW, WE MANAGED TO REVERSE PART 
OF THAT, NOT ALL OF THAT, THAT 
WAS IMPOSED -- GOING TO BE 
IMPOSED RETROACTIVELY BUT WE 
RECEIVED A MEMO A COUPLE WEEKS 
AGO THAT THOSE CUTS ARE BACK.   
AND THEY'RE BACK STARTING 
JANUARY 1ST, AND WE HAVE NO PLAN
TO ADDRESS THEM.  AND IF WE FIND
A PLAN BASED ON EFFICIENCIES, IT
WILL BE TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS 
QUO.  AS OPPOSED TO INCREASING 
THE NUMBER OF SUBSIDIES WE 
OFFER, THE MOST UNAFFORDABLE FOR
CHILD CARE IN THIS COUNTRY WITH 
A WAITING LIST OF 15,000 PEOPLE 
WHO NEED AFFORDABLE
SUBSIDIES THE CONVERSATION 
SHOULDN'T BE HOW DO WE MAINTAIN 
THE STATUS QUO, THE CONVERSATION
SHOULD BE HOW DO WE GET ALL 
THOSE FAMILIES WHO NEED 
SUBSIDIES OFF THE WAITING LIST. 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CRESSY.  COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL TO SPEAK. 
>>  SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ 
THE 2 REPORTS TOGETHER HERE, IT 
PUTS ME IN MIND OF THE OLD 
CREATE A CRISIS, AND THEN YOU 
CAN FIX IT.  EXCEPT THAT WE WERE
ALREADY IN CRISIS.  SYSTEMS --  
THE SYSTEM'S NOT BROKEN BUT IT'S
CERTAINLY IN CRISIS.  IT NEEDS A
LOT OF SPACES.  WHAT I SEE IN 
SAYING TO US -- TELL US RIGHT 
NOW YOU'VE GOT TO TELL US, A 
LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME IN WHICH 
TO TELL US THAT YOU WANT TO 
EXPAND BY 51 -- 51 CHILD CARE 
CENTRES IF YOU WANT TO DO THE 
EXPANSION YOU'VE GOT TO TELL US 
RIGHT NOW.  AND YOU HAVE AN 
EXPANSION RESERVED, BUT OH, BY 
THE WAY, WE'RE CUTTING YOUR 
OPERATING AND WE'RE MOVING OUT 
OF OUR ROLE IN THIS.  I THINK 
THERE'S AN ANTICIPATION THAT OF 
COURSE WE'LL SAY YES TO CREATING
MORE SPACES FOR CHILDREN AND 
THEN WE'LL EITHER FIGURE OUT A 
MIRACLE TO DEAL WITH THE 
OPERATING, OR WE CREATE SPACES 
THAT THEN WE OURSELVES CANNOT 
OPERATE AND WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT
HAS ALREADY SAID THEY WANT TO DO
WILL HAPPEN IN ORDER TO OCCUPY 
THE SPACE WE'VE CREATED, A FLOW 
OF FOR PROFIT CENTRES MOVE INTO 
PUBLIC SECTOR SPACES TO FILL THE
GAP SUDDENLY SCHOOLS ARE FILLED 
WITH FOR PROFIT CENTRES.  AND 
THAT IS -- THAT IS NOT OUR GOAL.
IT WAS NEVER OUR GOAL.  AND IT 
DOES NOT LEAD TO AFFORDABILITY. 
SOME OF THOSE CENTRES WANT TO 
GET IN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN 
A -- THEY CAN CHARGE WHAT THE 
MARKET IS CHARGING RIGHT NOW AND
YET OTHERS REALLY WELL-MEANING 
SMALL FOR PROFIT OPERATORS HAVE 
A SORT OF CONFLATED IDEA THAT 
INSIDE THE SCHOOL SPACES 
OCCUPANCY IS FREE. 
AND THAT THEY ARE SUDDENLY GOING
TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE A CHEAP 
CENTRE AND STILL PULL A PROFIT 
OUT OF IT.  AND THOSE SMALL 
OPERATORS THAT REALLY ARE 
LABOURING UNDER SOME 
MISUNDERSTANDINGS ARE GOING TO 
END UP IN DIFFICULT SITUATIONS. 
WHAT WE WANT IS AN EXTENSION TO 
CONSIDER HOW WE'RE GOING TO KEEP
THE
PUBLIC FACILITIES HOUSING 
NOT-FOR-PROFIT CENTRES AND HOW 
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK 
AS PROFIT -- AS PARTNERS TO MAKE
THAT WORK.  AND WE'VE GOT TO 
FIGURE OUT THE OCCUPANCY GRANT 
BECAUSE IT AFFECTS -- I'M ONLY 
BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND IT 
BECAUSE I HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LONG
BACKING HISTORY OF --  
UNDERSTANDING OF THE EDUCATION 
ACT FACILITIES FUNDING FORMULA, 
BUT IT IS IMPACTING THAT AS FAR 
AS I CAN TELL FROM SPEAKING TO 
CURRENT DAY TDSB TRUSTEES.  AND 
SO WE HAVE TO
BEG FOR THE TIME TO EXTEND THAT 
-- TO EXTEND THAT DEADLINE BY 
WHICH WE'VE GOT TO EXPAND.  I'M 
NOT SURE THAT STAFF HAVE ASKED 
FOR ENOUGH TIME.  I THINK WE 
SHOULD BE ASKING THEM UNTIL THE 
END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.  BUT I
THINK IF WE GET THE REPORT BACK 
IN THE TIME FRAMES THAT 
COUNCILOR CRESSY IS MOVING, THEN
IF WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DRAS 
PARTICULAR AND ON AN EMERGENCY 
BASIS WE'LL KNOW IN TIME TO DO 
SO IF THOSE MOTIONS REPORT BACK 
TO US IN THAT TIMELY FASHION.  
SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THOSE.  
BUT I REALLY HOPE THAT PEOPLE 
WILL -- WILL KEEP THAT IN MIND 
WHEN THEY'RE ASKING US WHAT WE 
SHOULD DO NEXT, THAT THEIR 
ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO HAVE US 
BUILD A BUNCH OF SPACES WITH 
TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND THEN SEE A 
FLOW OF FOR PROFIT CENTRES 
MOVING INTO WHAT WE'VE BUILT 
WITH PUBLIC FUNDS.  THANK YOU. 
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.  ANYONE ELSE
TO SPEAK?   
OKAY.  I JUST WANT TO ADD MY 
VOICE TO THIS ISSUE AND CLEARLY 
TO SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT 
COUNCILLOR CRESSY HAS PUT 
FORWARD.   
I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT HAS 
BEEN SAID, BUT I JUST WANT TO 
SAY THAT IT'S EXTREMELY 
IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE 
THERE'S A NEED FOR SHARED 
RESPONSIBILITY. 
TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL VALUE IN 
TERMS OF WHAT THIS NOTION OF 
SHARED RESPONSIBILITY IS IN 
TERMS OF HOW WE HELP OUR 
CHILDREN.  BECAUSE REALLY THIS 
IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.  AND 
HELPING THE PARENTS WHO HAS IT'S
BEEN DESCRIBED, HAVE CHALLENGES 
SPENDING WHETHER OR NOT IT'S 
1,800 OR $2,000 A MONTH, AND GOD
FORBID YOU HAVE 2 CHILDREN AND 
YOU HAVE TO BE SPENDING THIS 
SORT OF MONEY, AND YOU'RE NOT 
MAKING ANYWHERE NEAR THE TYPE OF
INCOME TO ALLOW YOU TO BE ABLE 
TO -- TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, THIS 
MEASURE OF PAYING FOR FEES FOR 
THE SERVICE.  I MEAN, I DON'T 
WANT TO SAY THIS IN THE SENSE 
THAT CHARACTERIZING THIS NOTION 
WE HAVE THE WAR ON CARS AND NOW 
IT'S A WAR ON CHILDREN.  AND IT 
MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.  IT 
HAS SUCH IMPACT ON OUR SOCIETY 
IN TERMS OF ENSURING THAT OUR 
CHILDREN ARE BEING CARED
FOR.   
AND THAT PARENTS WHO WISHES TO 
GO TO WORK AND TO BE PART OF THE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR 
SOCIETY ARE GIVEN THAT 
OPPORTUNITY.  AND SO IT STRIKES 
ME AS BEING REALLY ODD THAT 
EVERYONE IS SEEMING TO PUNT THIS
AWAY AND SUGGESTING IT'S NOT 
THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.  IT IS ALL
OF OUR SHARED RESPONSIBILITY TO 
ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.  AND SO 
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHY AWAY FROM
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.  AND 
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HOPE 
THAT THE PROVINCE CLEARLY THE 
SCHOOL BOARD AS WELL RECOGNIZE 
WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE 
TO WORK WITH US SO THAT WE CAN 
ACTUALLY HELP THOSE FAMILIES TO 
HELP THEIR CHILDREN.  BECAUSE AT
THE END OF THE DAY THESE ARE OUR
CHILDREN, OUR COMMUNITY 
RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THEIR 
INTERESTS, AND IN FACT,
CHILDREN SERVICES IS SUCH AN 
IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF WHAT WE 
SHOULD BE DOING IN TAKING CARE 
OF OUR CHILDREN.  AND SO WE'RE 
GOING TO CONTINUE TO
WORK AND HOPEFULLY WE ARE ABLE 
TO GET TO A
-- AN ISLAND SOMEWHERE WHERE WE 
CAN LAND AND WE CAN ALL AGREE IN
TERMS OF ENSURING WE CAN GET 
THIS FUNDING FORMULA IN PLACE SO
THAT EVERYONE CAN
OBVIOUSLY ADDRESS THE IMPORTANT 
ISSUES WHICH IS TO PROTECT OUR 
CHILDREN.  SO WE HAVE A MOTION 
FROM COUNCILLOR CRESSY.   
IT'S ON THE SCREEN.  ALL THOSE 
IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? 
>> [OFF MIC]
.  
>>  DO YOU WANT A RECORDED VOTE 
OR YOU'RE GOOD? 
>> I THINK WE'RE GOOD.  
>> SO DOES ANYBODY WANT A 
RECORDED VOTE?  WE'RE GOOD.   
OKAY.  THAT'S FINE.  WE DON'T 
NEED A RECORDED VOTE.  ON THE 
ITEM WE'RE VOTING ON THE ITEM 
NOW BECAUSE WE VOTED ON THE ITEM
-- 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>> ON THE AMENDMENT.  ALL THOSE 
IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT?   
OKAY.  OKAY ON THE ITEM, ALL 
THOSE IN FAVOR?  OPPOSED?   
THAT'S CARRIED.  OKAY.  THANK 
YOU.  SO WE HAVE CONCLUDED THAT 
PARTICULAR ITEM.  WE ARE NOW 
GOING TO GO BACK TO THE HELD 
ITEM, COUNCILLOR LAI YOU HAVE 
HELD 6.3.   
>>  YES.  
>>  AND STAFF IS ACTUALLY IN 
PLACE.  SO YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES. 
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.  LIKE I 
SAID I'D LIKE TO THANK FIRST OF 
ALL THE
STAFF FOR HELP THE PLAN AND ALL 
THAT IS IN PLACE.  AND I JUST 
WANTED TO HAVE A BIT OF THE
INSURANCE ADJUSTER'S REPORT ON 
THE DAMAGE, IF I MAY, PLEASE.   
>>  THROUGH THE CHAIR, SO I'M 
NOT THE INSURANCE ADJUSTER.  I'M
A STAFF PERSON FOR THE CITY OF 
TORONTO, BUT THE INSURANCE 
ADJUSTER'S REPORTING THAT THE 
RECONSTRUCTION, THE RESTORATION 
OF RECREATION CENTRE IS ON 
TRACK.  WE HAVE VALUED THE LOSS 
AT ABOUT $14 MILLION.  THE FIRST
5 MILLION OF THAT 14 WILL BE 
PAID BY THE CITY OF TORONTO AS A
DEDUCTIBLE AMOUNT ON THE 
INSURANCE POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN
PLACE.  AND THE REMAINING 9 
MILLION WILL COME FROM THE 
INSURANCE COMPANY FM GLOBAL 
INSURANCE COMPANY TOWARDS THAT 
LOSS.  SO THINGS ARE ON TRACK.  
THE STATUS OF THE REPAIRS ARE 
SORT OF FALL INTO 3 CATEGORIES, 
THERE'S EMERGENCY SERVICES 
REPAIRS WHICH INVOLVE THINGS 
LIKE THE ROOF DEMOLITION, 
REFRIGERATION, ELECTRICAL WORK 
IN THE AREA TO GET THE ARENA UP 
AND RUNNING.  THE HEAT SYSTEM 
AND THE ALARMS THAT ARE NEEDED 
FOR THE FACILITY.  THERE'S AN 
ENVIRONMENTAL COMPONENT, THE 
INSURANCE PEOPLE ARE WORKING 
WITH THE MINISTRY OF THE 
ENVIRONMENT TO
MONITOR CONTAMINANTS FROM THE 
DEBRIS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE 
COMPLIANT WITH ALL MINISTRY 
REQUIREMENTS.  AND THEN THE 
MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL 
REPAIRS FOLLOW THAT.  
SO THE ARENA IS ON TRACK FOR 
OPENING ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2019. 
AND THE RECREATION CENTRE IS ON 
TRACK FOR OPENING SEPTEMBER 1ST,
2020. 
>>  JUST A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ON
THAT:  SO THE RECONSTRUCTION 
PLAN THE PROPOSED TIME LINE WAS 
DONE BY -- SO ALL THE WORK WILL 
BE ACTUALLY COMPLETED BY THE 
INSURANCE COMPANY, IS THAT 
CORRECT?  
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.  ONCE --
IT'S A COMBINED EFFORT, THROUGH 
THE CHAIR, IT'S A COMBINED 
EFFORT WHERE INITIALLY THE CITY 
HAS A CONTRACT WITH AN INSURANCE
ADJUSTING FIRM CALLED CLAIMS 
PRO.  CLAIMS PRO IS ON SITE 
MANAGING THE WORK AND THERE'S A 
NUMBER OF FIRMS THAT ARE ENGAGED
THROUGH THE INSURANCE AND FM 
GLOBAL HAS AN ADJUSTER ON SITE 
AS WELL THAT MONITORS. 
>>  THANK
YOU.  SO -- ARE THERE GOING TO 
BE ANY CHALLENGES FOR SUCH 
AGGRESSIVE TIME LINE FOR THE 
GIVEN THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE 
WOULD YOU THINK IT'S A DOABLE 
TIME LINE?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, THIS IS 
THE REPORT WE HAVE BEFORE US 
TODAY FROM THE INSURANCE 
ADJUSTER THAT THOSE ARE THE TIME
LINES.  THEY SEEM DOABLE.  THE 
INSURANCE PEOPLE WILL BE WORKING
WITH
PF & R CAPITAL FOLKS TO 
DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES
OR ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE 
NEEDED, AND THAT WILL BE 
FACTORED IN AS WELL.  BUT BASED 
ON THE WORK THAT'S BEEN, YOU 
KNOW, GOING ONTO DATE,
THE SEPTEMBER 1ST 20019, FOR THE
ARENA AND FOR 2020 FOR THE REC 
CENTRE THEY DO SEEM DOABLE, YES.
>> AND ALSO IN TERMS OF THE 
REPAIR AND THE REOR RATION, THE 
REPORT HERE SAYS THAT WE CAN 
ACTUALLY PROVIDE THEM WITH THE 
DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS
AND PHOTO REVIEW AND APPROVAL, 
DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE CAN 
ACTUALLY UPDATE THE CENTRE HOW 
EVERY WAY WE WANT TO DO IT, OR 
IS IT SOME RESTRICTION ON THAT? 
>> SO THROUGH THE CHAIR AS JEFF 
HAS INDICATED THIS IS A LARGE 
INSURANCE COMPONENT OF THIS THAT
WILL BE PAYING FOR THE 
RESTORATION FROM THE FIRE.   
WE'RE WORKING WITH COMMUNITY 
CENTRE STAFF AND CAPITAL STAFF 
TO IDENTIFY UPGRADES.  WE CAN 
ALSO REFRESH A NUMBER OF AREAS 
IN THE COMMUNITY CENTRE.  
>>  SO DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN 
ACTUALLY HOST A TOWN HALL 
MEETING AND JUST TO INVITE THE 
RESIDENTS'S INPUT ON THESE 
DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION 
DRAWINGS?  
>> ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.  WE WOULD 
PLAN TO CONSULT WITH THE 
COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE USERS 
OF THE RECREATION CENTRE.  
>>  OKAY.  
>>  ON THE NEW COMPONENTS AND 
DESIGN  
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S 
MY QUESTION.  
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.   
COUNCILLOR CARROLL QUESTION.  
>> YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
WE DEFINITELY -- IT SOUNDS LIKE 
WE'RE REALLY PRIORITIZING THE 
REBUILDING OF THIS.  I JUST WAND
TO CHECK, ARE WE PICKING UP SOME
OF OUR -- SOME OF THE DESIGNS 
PRINCIPLES THAT WE'VE LEARNED 
SINCE THE BUILDING OF THIS, SO 
THAT WE'RE ADDING IN SOME OF THE
EQUITY PIECES SUCH AS WE HAVE AT
REGENT PARK, THINGS LIKE THAT?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, WE'RE 
UPDATING WHEREVER WE CAN WITHIN 
THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE.  BUT WE
ARE TRYING TO STAY TRUE TO THE 
RESTORATION THAT IS BEING DONE 
THROUGH THE CLAIM.  SO THE 
BUILDING ITSELF WON'T HAVE ANY 
HUGE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, BUT WE 
ARE LOOKING AT MORE COSMETIC 
UPGRADES TO THE WHOLE BUILDING 
WHEN THE REBUILD IS BEING DONE. 
>>  OH, OKAY.  I WAS JUST 
WONDERING IF WE COULD DO SUCH 
THINGS AS DOING -- BECAUSE THE 
SORT OF THE OLD SCHOOL FAMILY 
CHANGE IDEA IS THERE I WAS 
WONDERING IF YOU COULD SWITCH TO
THE -- 
>> [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS].  
>>  IDEA OF FAMILY IN THE MIDDLE
SO THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL 
SEPARATED.  IS THERE -- IS THERE
AN ABILITY TO LOOK AT DOING 
THAT? 
>> SURE.  WE'LL WE'RE DOING THAT
DESIGN WITH CLAIMS PRO WE COULD 
CERTAINLY HAVE A LOOK AT SOME OF
THOSE THINGS.  WE'LL HAVE A LOOK
AT THAT AS THE DESIGN COMES 
FORWARD.  NOTING THAT IF IT 
REQUIRES ANY MAJOR SORT OF 
REDESIGN OF THE ACTUAL FLOOR 
PLAN OF THE BUILDING, IT WOULD 
BE SORT OF OUT OF SCOPE OF THE 
CLAIM THAT GOES FORWARD. 
>>  OKAY.  OKAY.  UNDERSTOOD.   
THANKS. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.  COUNCILLOR 
GRIMES QUESTION. 
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.  14 
MILLION DOLLARS CLAIM THAT'S 
WHAT I HEARD.  
>> YES.  
>>  DID I HEAR CORRECT OUR 
DEDUCTIBLE IS FIVE MILLION?  
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.  
>>  WHY IS THAT?  THAT SEEMS 
CRAZY TO ME WHY DO WE HAVE A 5 
MILLION DOLLARS DEDUCTIBLE.  
>>  THROUGH THE CHAIR, SO EACH 
YEAR CORPORATE FINANCE CONDUCTS 
A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, IF YOU 
WILL BETWEEN THE PREMIUM THAT 
THE CITY PAYS FOR THE INSURANCE 
POLICY, THE AMOUNT OF LOSSES 
THAT WE EXPECT TO HAVE UNDER 
THAT INSURANCE POLICY, AND WE 
ACHIEVE A
OPTIMAL BALANCE BETWEEN THE 
AMOUNT OF PREMIUM THAT WE PAY 
AND THE LOSSES AND WE'VE 
REVIEWED THIS MANY TIMES.  
WE DO IT ANNUALLY AND DETERMINED
THAT THROUGH THE VALUES THAT WE 
INSURE, 17 BILLION DOLLARS IN --
EVERYTHING THE CITY OWNS IS 
UNDER ONE INSURANCE POLICY AND 
WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THIS IS AN
APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF DEDUCTIBLE 
AND WE HAVE AN INSURANCE RESERVE
FUND THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH 
CONTRIBUTION BY DIVISIONAL 
OPERATING BUDGETS THAT IS 
SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO -- TO CARRY
US THROUGH ON A LARGE LOSS LIKE 
THIS. 
>>  OKAY.  THOSE ARE MY 
QUESTIONS.  THANK YOU.  
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR GRIMES.  THANK YOU.  
ALL RIGHT TO SPEAK.  SPEAKERS. 
I'LL LET COUNCILLOR LAI GO 
FIRST. 
>>  [OFF MIC]  
>> JUST WANTED TO GET THE 
SPEAKERS NAMES. 
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>> THANK YOU.  COUNCILLOR LAI.  
>>  THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.  I 
GUESS I WILL BE BRIEF.  AS I 
SAID I REALLY LIKE TO THANK 
STAFF FOR, YOU KNOW, GETTING 
THIS -- INTO THIS SO PROMPT AND 
-- WAY OF DEALING WITH THIS 
COMMUNITY CENTRE BECAUSE IT'S 
REALLY IMPORTANT FOR MY 
COMMUNITY TO HAVE ACTUALLY WITH 
THE OTHER WARD AS WELL 22 AND 
23.  TO I REALLY WAS VERY HAPPY 
TO SEE THAT
THEY WILL -- I'M SURE THE 
RESIDENTS WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO 
HEAR THAT THIS WILL BE 
RECONSTRUCTED AND YOU KNOW, 
REPAIRED.   
THIS YEAR AND THEN NEXT YEAR I 
MEAN, SEPTEMBER 2020, WE'LL HAVE
THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE 
POOL BACK INTO PLACE.  AND 
ESPECIALLY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY 
CONSULT IN THEM TO MAKE IT EVEN 
BETTER COSMETIC CLEW.  AND I 
JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ARE 
HAPPY AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL, YOU 
KNOW, STAFF WILL CONSULT US AND 
WE'LL GET IT TO HAVE A FACE LIFT
FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTRE, THANK 
YOU.   
>>  SO YOU'LL MOVE THE ITEM 
THEN?  YOU'LL MOVE THE ITEM.  
>>  I'LL MOVE STAFF 
RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE, RECEIVE 
THE REPORT.  
>> ALL RIGHT.  THANK YOU.   
COUNCILLOR CARROLL NOW YOU GET 
THE DOUBLE NOD. 
>>  JUST VERY QUICKLY, IF THERE 
IS ANYWAY TO ADDRESS THE FAMILY 
CHANGE ROOM SITUATION ANYWAY AT 
ALL, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THIS 
WHEREVER WE CAN.  IF I HAD A 
NICKEL FOR EVERY TIME I'VE STOOD
IN THE HALLWAY WAITING TO GET 
INTO THE FAMILY CHANGE ROOM AT 
THIS VERY SWIMMING POOL, EVERY 
KID WANTS TO GO TO THE POOL WITH
THE PIRATE SHIP.  SO I SPENT 
MANY, MANY WEEK ENDS THERE AND 
MANY WEEKDAYS.  EVEN ON A 
WEEKDAY WHEN I WAS RUNNING MY 
CHILD CARE AND POOL WAS BRAND 
NEW LINING UP TO GET IN THE 
FAMILY CHANGE ROOM.  THE COMMON 
AREA FAMILY LOCKERS AND THEN GO 
THIS WAY TO GET TO THE PRIVATE 
CHANGE ROOMS AT REGENT PARK IS 
NOT JUST STATE-OF-THE-ART, IT IS
A MAJOR EQUITY PIECE.  AND I 
CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IT'S THAT 
MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE, THAT IT'S 
-- THAT WHAT IS -- WHAT IT 
SERVES US IN MOVING FAMILIES 
THROUGH MUST COUNT FOR 
SOMETHING.  AND SO IF THERE IS 
ANY WAY TO FOLLOWED IT INTO THE 
PLAN WHILE WE'RE REBUILDING, 
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, THAT'S 
ALL I CAN SAY.  ON BEHALF OF 
MOTHERS WITH MULTIPLE KIDS 
EVERYWHERE. 
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.  OKAY.  SO 
MEMBERS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF 
THE ITEM?  OPPOSED?  THAT'S 
CARRIED.  THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT 
MOVING RIGHT ALONG WE ARE NOW 
MOVING
TO EC6.5 TERMINATION OF 
OCCUPANCY AGREEMENT WITH SCHOOL 
BOARD.  I HAVE 2 SPEAKERS ON MY
LIST.  -- WE HAD MS. MERCER ON 
ANOTHER ITEM, YOU'RE HERE.   
THANK YOU.  GOOD MORNING AND 
WELCOME.  I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE
BEEN HERE BEFORE.  I'VE GIVEN 
THE INSTRUCTIONS TO EVERYONE 
WHICH ARE SIMILAR WHICH IS THE 
CLOCK IS ON YOUR LEFT, YOU HAVE 
5 MINUTES TO SPEAK.  AFTER 
YOU'VE CONCLUDED YOUR SPEAKING 
MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE OR 
NON-MEMBERS MAY ASK YOU 
QUESTIONS.  AND AT THAT TIME YOU
MAY RESPOND AND SO ACCORDING TO 
HOW YOU DESIRE.  YOU MAY BEGIN, 
MA'AM.  
>> THANK YOU.  I'M THE CHILD 
CARE DIRECTOR AT TREETOP 
CHILDREN'S CENTRE.  WE'RE A 
LICENSED NON-PROFIT COMMUNITY 
BASED CHILD CARE LOCATED IN 
MID-TOWN TORONTO.  WE SERVE 
APPROXIMATELY 150 CHILDREN FROM 
THE AGES OF 2 AND A HALF TO 10. 
AND I THINK COUNCILLOR CRESSY 
AND COUNCILLOR CARROLL BRINGING 
UP THE AFFORDABILITY AND 
ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE AS I CAN SAY
FIRST HAND THAT I CURRENTLY HAVE
HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES ON MY 
WAITING LIST.  EVEN FOR CHILDREN
STARTING IN PRESCHOOL WHICH IS 2
AND A HALF.  SO FAMILIES THAT 
ARE CURRENTLY PREGNANT, THEIR 
BABY HASN'T EVEN BEEN BORN HAVE 
NOW PUT THIS NAME ON A WAITING 
LIST FOR 3 AND A HALF YEARS IN 
ADVANCE.  SO I SIT HERE TODAY 
WITH A SENSE O -- THE PROPOSAL 
THAT CHILDREN SERVICES -- I
BELIEVE I WAS PROBABLY
SITTING HERE 2 YEARS AGO IN 
2017, TALKING ABOUT THE SAME 
ISSUE.   
THE END OF THE OCCUPANCY GRANT 
WOULD POSSIBLY MEAN THAT PARENTS
WILL NOW HAVE TO TAKE ON THOSE 
FEES, THAT WE WILL HAVE TO NOW 
CHARGE OUR FAMILIES BY AS MUCH 
AS A 1 DOLLARS PER DAY AND HAVE 
AN INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY 350
DOLLARS PER YEAR ADDED TO THEIR 
ALREADY HIGH CHILD CARE FEES.   
AND THIS DATA IS TAKEN FROM A 
CHILDREN'S
SERVICES REPORT DOCUMENTED IN 
2017.  WITH ALREADY THE HIGHEST 
FEES FOR LICENSED CHILD CARE IN 
ALL OF CANADA PARENTS IN THIS 
CITY SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD THIS.  
I'M HERE TODAY TO URGE YOU TO 
REVERSE THIS PROPOSAL.  WE KNOW 
FROM WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT TORONTO IS
IN A CHILD CARE CRISIS.  I 
APPLAUD CITY STAFF AND 
COUNCILLORS HERE THAT TOOK ON 
THE LEADERSHIP FOR THE REVERSAL 
OF THE CHILD CARE FUNDING CUTS 
WITH THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT, 
HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE A LONG 
WAY TO GO.  THERE ARE LICENSED 
CHILD CARE SPACES FOR ONLY 20% 
OF CHILDREN IN THIS CITY.  AND 
WE KNOW THAT CHILD CARE EVEN 
THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT, WHO CAN
FIND IT IS ABSOLUTELY 
UNAFFORDABLE FOR 75% OF 
FAMILIES.  I WOULDN'T BE IN MY 
POSITION TODAY IF 15, 20 YEARS 
AGO I DIDN'T HAVE SUBSIDIZED 
AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE WHEN MY 4 
CHILDREN WERE YOUNG.   
SO THERE'S A LOT MORE CHILD CARE
SPACES NEEDED.  AND 
AFFORDABILITY CONTINUES TO BE 
THE MAIN ISSUE.  WE CAN'T AFFORD
TO LOSE ONE CHILD CARE SPACE IN 
THIS CITY AND SEE THE FEES GO UP
BY EVEN $1.  AS A PARENT, AS A 
REGISTERED EARLY CHILDHOOD 
EDUCATOR AND AS A CHILD CARE 
DIRECTOR I'M SHOCKED THAT 
COUNCIL WOULD EVEN CONSIDER 
ELIMINATING GRANT FOR TORONTO 
AND SCHOOLS AND USE THOSE SAME 
FUNDS TO ELIMINATE THE CHILD 
CARE DEFICIT IMPOSED BY THE 
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT.  FOR MY 
CENTRE ALONE THIS WILL ADD 
APPROXIMATELY 40 THOUSAND 
DOLLARS FOR OUR YEARLY EXPENSES 
IN 2020, IF THIS GOES AHEAD.  MY
BOARD WILL BE WRITING A LETTER 
TO COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR ABOUT 
THIS.  THE ONLY WAY THAT WE WILL
BE ABLE TO
SURVIVE THAT 40 THOUSAND IN 
ADDITIONAL EXPENSES IS TO RAISE 
OUR PARENT FEES.   
THE REMOVAL OF THE OCCUPANCY 
GRANT WOULD MAKE REGULATED CHILD
CARE EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE FOR 
THOSE FAMILIES PAYING FULL FEE. 
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE A 
CAVEAT THAT THE CENTRE THAT I 
CURRENTLY RUN IS PRIMARILY A 
FULL FEE CENTRE.  SO WE MAYBE 
HAVE ABOUT 25% OF OUR FAMILIES 
THAT ARE SUBSIDIZED AND IT'S THE
FULL FEE PAYING FAMILIES THAT 
WOULD BE AFFECTED THE MOST.  WE 
KNOW THAT LICENSED CHILD CARES 
-- A RECENT STUDY SHOWED THAT 
75% OF FAMILIES THIS IS A STUDY 
FROM 2018 IN TORONTO FIND 
LICENSED CHILD CARE AFFORDABLE. 
AT A TIME WHEN COUNCIL HAS 
APPROVED A 10-YEAR GROWTH 
STRATEGY THE CITY SHOULD BE 
LOOKING AT WAYS TO WORK WITH THE
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT AND EXPAND
LICENSED CHILD CARE TO BE 
ACCESSIBLE TO MORE FAMILIES.   
IT'S SHAMEFUL AND SHORT SIGHT 
TODAY BALANCE THE CITY BUDGET 
WITH PROVINCIAL CHILD CARE 
DOLLARS, DOWNLOAD COSTS ONTO THE
PARENTS AND FINALLY OPEN UP AN 
AGREEMENT WITH COSTS WERE FIXED 
IN 1998, WOULD THE TDSB, 
EXPOSING PARENTS AND THE CITY 
TAXPAYERS
TO SOARING COSTS AT THE MERCY OF
THE SCHOOL BOARDS.  
CURRENTLY THE CITY IS PAYING A 
RATE OF $1,998.  IF THIS WERE TO
GO AHEAD WE COULD BE PAYING AS 
MUCH AS 11 DOLLARS AND 7 CENTS 
PER SQUARE FOOT.  
IF THIS AGREEMENT IS OPENED 
SCHOOL BOARDS WOULD HIKE 
OCCUPANCY COSTS FOR CHILD CARES 
IN SCHOOLS AND THAT WILL HAVE A 
FAST -- 
>> [OFF MIC]
.  
>>  SORRY.  OKAY.  I WOULD JUST 
LIKE TO SAY PROVIDING THE 
FAMILIES OF OUR CITY WITH 
QUALITY AFFORDABLE ACCESSIBLE 
AND NON-PROFIT COMMUNITY-BASED 
CHILD CARE IS CRITICAL.  THANK 
YOU. 
>>  THANK YOU.  OUR NEXT SPEAKER
IS JANE MERCE, COALITION FOR 
BETTER CHILD CARE.  MS. MERCER 
GOOD MORNING.  THANK YOU VERY 
MUCHMUCH. 
>> YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES  
>> MY NAME IS JANE MERCER AND 
I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE 
TORONTO COALITION FOR BETTER 
CHILD CARE.  WE SUPPORT CLOSE TO
20 THOUSAND20,000 FAMILIES IN 
NON-PROFIT CARE HAILED
PROGRAMS IN TORONTO. 
I TOO WOULD LIKE TO START BY 
THANKING MOST SINCERELY OUR 
MAYOR AND COUNCILLOR THOMPSON AS
CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE FOR THE 
STRONG LEADERSHIP YOU AND THE 
COMMITMENT YOU SHOWED TO CHILD 
CARE IN TORONTO WHEN WE WERE HIT
WITH THOSE DEVASTATNG PROVINCIAL
CUTS.  THE SPEED WITH WHICH YOU 
RESPONDED HAS NOT ONLY SAVED OUR
CHILD CARE SYSTEM IN 2019, BUT 
WILL MOVE TO HAVE BEEN A 
CRITICAL MOMENT AS WE MOVE 
FORWARD TO PROTECT, IMPROVE AND 
GROW THE CHILD CARE SYSTEM THAT 
FAMILIES IN TORONTO SO 
DESPERATELY NEED.   
CHILD CARE IS A VERY COMPLEX 
SYSTEM.  IT INVOLVES PROVINCIAL 
FUNDING AND CITY FUNDING.  IN 
KIND FUNDING AND COLLABORATION 
WITH THE SCHOOL BOARDS.  WE HAVE
OVER A THOUSAND COMMUNITY CHILD 
CARE PROGRAMS, WE HAVE 
SUBSIDIZED AND FULL FEE PAYING 
PARENTS WE DEAL WITH GRANTS AND 
LEGISLATION FROM SEVERAL 
DEPARTMENTS, ALL LAYERS OF 
GOVERNMENT.  BUT IF WE CAN CUT 
THROUGH ALL OF THAT, AND 
REMEMBER THE PARENT VOICE, IT 
WILL BE WE NEED TO HANG ONTO 
EVERY CHILD CARE DOLLAR, EVERY 
SPACE, EVERY SUBSIDY AND EVERY 
GRANT.  PARENT FEES CANNOT GO UP
AND SALARIES CANNOT GO DOWN.   
SO SPEAKING TO THE OCCUPANCY 
GRANTS THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE 
SCHOOL BOARD, I WANT TO REMIND 
YOU THAT THIS HAS COME TO 
COUNCIL SO MANY TIMES BEFORE, 
AND THE REASON IT'S BEING SHOT 
DOWN IT IS A SOLID AGREEMENT 
NEGOTIATED ON BEHALF OF THE 349 
CHILD CARE PROGRAMS WE HAD IN 
SCHOOLS IN 1998, AND THE RATE 
YOU PAY HAS INDEED BEEN LOCKED
IN AT THE 1998 RATE OF 650 PER 
SQUARE FOOT FOR THE LAST 2 
DECADES.  WE SHOULD BE WORKING 
TO GET MORE CHILD CARE PROGRAMS 
UNDER THIS UMBRELLA AGREEMENT.  
IF YOU END THIS AGREEMENT, 18 
THOUSAND FULL-FEE PAYING PARENTS
AND THESE BOARDS RIGHT ACROSS 
THE CITY WOULD TAKE AN 
EXTRAORDINARY HIT.  YOUR STAFF 
ESTIMATE THE COSTS AT ABOUT $300
A YEAR FOR EACH CHILD, WE FEAR 
IT COULD BE WAY HIGHER.   
AND TORONTO'S FAMILIES AS WE 
KNOW ALREADY PAY THE HIGHEST 
CHILD CARE FEES IN THE COUNTRY. 
OPENING UP THIS AGREEMENT 
EXPOSES PARENTS AND THE CITY 
TAXPAYERS FOR SOARING COSTS AT 
THE MERCY OF THE SCHOOL BOARDS 
AND WE NO LONGER HAVE THE 
STRENGTH OF THE CITY OF TORONTO 
IN OUR CORNER TO NEGOTIATE.   
WE KNOW THAT IF THIS AGREEMENT 
IS
OPENED, SCHOOL -- HIKE OCCUPANCY
COSTS POSSIBLY WELL ABOVE THE 
$11 PER SQUARE FOOT.   
AND THIS WILL CLOBBER FULL-FEE 
PAYING PARENTS BUT IT WILL COME 
BACK TO BITE THE CITY BECAUSE 
THE SUBSIDIZED PARENTS WILL GET 
THAT ADDED IN AND GOBBLE UP MORE
OF OUR PRECIOUS DOLLARS FOR 
CHILD CARE.  SO WE -- I JUST 
REALLY WANT TO STRESS WE CAN'T 
KEEP MOVING ALL THESE DOLLARS 
AROUND WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD 
TAKING WHAT IT CAN, AND THE CITY
BALANCING WHAT IT CAN WE'LL 
NEVER DELIVER MORE CHILD CARE.  
 SECONDLY, JUST SPEAKING QUICKLY
TO THE ITEM EC6.5, WE SUPPORT 
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO ASK 
THE PROVINCE TO EXTEND THE 
DEADLINE TO OCTOBER 31ST AND I 
WOULD AGREE WITH I THINK IT WAS 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL THAT SAID WE 
PROBABLY NEED MUCH MORE 
REALISTICALLY TO BE ABLE TO HANG
ON BEFORE -- TO THE END OF THE 
YEAR BEFORE WE RESPOND.  WE NEED
TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO 
ACCEPT THOSE PROVINCIAL CAPITAL 
DOLLARS IN 2019.  IT WILL EXPAND
OUR SYSTEM BY 3,500 SURVEYS.   
THEY WILL COME ONLINE AND NEED 
TO BE OPERATED OVER THE NEXT 
NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT AGAIN, 
REMEMBER FOR EVERY SPACE YOU 
BUILD ONE OF THEM WILL END UP 
GOING TO A FULL-FEE PAYING 
PARENT, WE CAN DO THIS, WE HAVE 
TO GROW THE SYSTEM WHILE WE'RE 
OFFERED THE DOLLARS AND THEY 
WILL COME ONLINE IN 2020,'21,
'22.  PLEASE BE BOLD, SPEED WITH
WHICH YOU RESPONDED IN MAY IS 
THE SAME ENERGY WE NEED GOING 
FORWARD.  THANK YOU.  
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  ARE 
THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR  
MS. MERCER?  VISITING MEMBERS?  
SEE NONE.  TAKE THIS INTO 
COMMITTEE.  COUNCILLOR CARROLL. 
>> I'M WONDERING IF THE 
COALITION IS WORKING ON THIS 
ISSUE MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND --  
THEY NEED TO BE NOT-FOR-PROFIT 
CENTRES IS THE COALITION DOING 
WORK IN THAT REGARD?  
>> THE SCHOOL BOARD FOLLOWING 
THE CITY'S LEAD, DID ESTABLISH 
THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE 
NOT-FOR-PROFIT PROBABLY 6, 7, 8 
YEARS AGO.  
>>  RIGHT.  
>> AND SO THE CITY AND THE 
SCHOOL BOARD BOTH HAVE IT IN THE
CITY SERVICE PLAN AND THE SCHOOL
BOARDS I'M NOT SURE IT'S THEIR 
SERVICE PLAN.  
>> UM-HUM.  
>>  THERE IS THAT COMMITMENT 
THAT IT NEEDS TO BE 
NOT-FOR-PROFIT AND THE REASON, 
OF COURSE IS THAT OUR PUBLIC 
SPACE IS NOT INTENDED TO 
GENERATE PROFIT.  
>>  RIGHT.  
>>  AND NOT-FOR-PROFIT CENTRE 
EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR WILL GO INTO
THE CARE OF THE CHILD.   
>>  RIGHT, RIGHT.  NOW,
I DIDN'T ASK -- I DIDN'T ASK A 
QUESTION OF -- BUT YOU KNOW PART
OF THE STRUGGLE WE FACE IS THAT 
-- AND I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE 
UNDERSTAND THE PLATE OF THE 
FULL-FEE PAYING PARENT.   
TREETOPS IS AT EGLINGTON AND 
CHAPLIN WHERE PEOPLE PICTURE 
WELL -- 
>> UM-HUM.  
>>  BUT A FULL- -- IF YOU'RE A 
FAMILY WITH 2 KIDS AND PAYING 
FULL FEE YOU COULD LIVE AT 
EGLINGTON AND CHAPLIN AND HAVE 2
HUNDRED THOUSAND A YEAR BETWEEN 
YOU, IT'S STILL UNAFFORDABLE, 
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
>>  ABSOLUTELY.  I THINK THE 
WHOLE CONCEPT OF A FULL-FEE 
PAYING PARENT IT GIVES THE 
IMPRESSION THAT -- 
>>  YEAH.  
>> WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS.  THEY 
ARE NOT.  MANY OF THEM WILL HAVE
THEIR NAMES ON THAT SUBSIDY 
WAITING LIST.  
>> YES.  
>>  THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO 
GET IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE 
ENOUGH SUBSIDIES.  
>> RIGHT.  
>> BUT THEY STRUGGLE TO KEEP 
PAYING THAT
FEE.  THEY --  
ANYWHERE ELSE IN EGLINGTON 
ACROSS THE CITY, BUT THEY MAY BE
PAYING RENTS IN AN APARTMENT.  
>>  RIGHT. 
>> IN A HOUSE.  
>> RIGHT. 
>>  AND SO WE DON'T KNOW THE 
CIRCUMSTANCES BEHIND EACH 
FAMILY.  WE DO KNOW THAT YOUNG 
FAMILIES FIND THIS CITY 
INCREASINGLY UNAFFORDABLE AND IF
THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE RENT, 
THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE CHILD 
CARE THEY'RE GONE.  
>>  YES.  
>> THEY MOVE TO HAMILTON.  
>>  RIGHT. 
>>  AND THAT EXODOUS OF YOUNG 
FAMILIES, 30s -- YOU KNOW, 
FAMILIES IN THEIR 30S.  
>>  RIGHT.  
>>  THIS IS KILLING THEM.  
>> THANK YOU.   
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.  ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS?  OKAY SEEING NONE, 
WE'LL NOW TAKE THIS INTO 
QUESTIONS OF STAFF.  OKAY.   
COUNCILLOR CRESSY AND COUNCILLOR
CARROLL YOU HAD QUESTIONS AS 
WELL OF STAFF.   
>>  YES.  
>>  THANK YOU TO CHILDREN 
SERVICES SO WE'VE BEEN THROUGH 
THIS BEFORE.  SO THESE CHILD 
CARE LOCATIONS ARE
ALL LOCATED -- CORRECT.  
>>  YES, IT REPRESENTS 4 SCHOOL 
BOARDS IN THE CITY OF TORONTO.  
>>  ALL RIGHT 4 SCHOOL BOARDS 
AND HOW MANY LOCATIONS?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, 473. 
>> AND WE PAY OCCUPANCY GRANTS 
FOR HOW MANY OF THE 473? 
>> WE CURRENTLY -- THROUGH THE 
CHAIR, WE CURRENTLY PAY 
OCCUPANCY FOR 349. 
>>  SO THIS WOULD IMPACT 349 
CHILD CARE LOCATIONS, IS THAT 
CORRECT?  
>> THAT IS CORRECT.  AND THAT 
REPRESENTS 35% OF THE BROADER 
CHILD CARE COMMUNITY. 
>>  349 CHILD CARE LOCATIONS, 
35% OF THE BROADER LICENSED 
CHILD CARE COMMUNITY.  
>>  THROUGH THE CHAIR, YES. 
>>  OKAY DO WE HAVE A BROAD 
BALLPARK OF HOW MANY KIDS ARE 
RECEIVING CHILD CARE IN THESE 
349 LOCATIONS?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, OVER 
1,800. 
>> SO THIS WOULD IMPACT AROUND 
-- 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  THOUSAND.  THANK YOU. 
>>  18,000.  18 THOUSAND IN 
THESE 349
LOCATIONS? 
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, WE'RE JUST
CHECKING. 
>> OKAY.  AND THE RECOMMENDATION
IN THIS REPORT IN AUGUST FOR 
STAFF TO NOTIFY THE 4 SCHOOL 
BOARDS THAT THOSE 349 CHILD CARE
LOCATIONS, THE 18,000 KIDS WOULD
RECEIVE LESS FUNDING, IS THAT 
CORRECT?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, TO GO BACK
AND CLARIFY THE NUMBER OF 
CHILDREN WHO ARE CURRENTLY USING
THOSE SPACES, 18 THOUSAND
4 HUNDRED AND 20.  
>> YEP. 
>>  WHEN THAT OCCUPANCY GRANT IS
TERMINATED IT BECOMES AN 
ALLOWABLE EXPENSE IN AN 
OPERATOR'S BUDGET.  CURRENTLY 
65% OF CHILD CARE PROGRAMS IN 
THE CITY OF TORONTO INCLUDE RENT
AS AN ALLOWABLE EXPENSE.  35% IN
THE SECTOR ARE COVERED UNDER THE
OCCUPANCY GRANT AND THEREFORE, 
DON'T NEED TO CLAIM RENT IN 
THEIR ALLOWABLE EXPENSES.   
>>  JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO WE 
WOULD BE PROVIDING FEWER FUNDS 
TO THOSE 349 LOCATIONS?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, YES, THE 
CITY'S CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE 
LESS. 
>>  AND THE RECOMMENDATION HERE 
IS TO NOTIFY THE SCHOOL BOARDS 
IN THOSE LOCATIONS IN AUGUST 
THAT THE FUNDING WOULD BE 
REMOVED COME JANUARY 1ST, IS 
THAT CORRECT? 
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, UNDER OUR 
AGREEMENT WITH THE 4 SCHOOL 
BOARDS, WE WERE TO NOTE TIE THEM
JULY -- OR JUNE 3RD, AND THAT 
HAS HAPPENED  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I JUST 
WANT TO CLARIFY, WHEN COUNCIL 
EXTENDED THE FUNDING IT DID SO 
ONLY FOR THE 2 YEARS.  
>> UM-HUM.  
>>  AND DURING THOSE 2 YEARS WE 
WERE TO TRY AND ADVOCATE WITH 
THE PROVINCE TO CHANGE THEIR FUN
DING FORMULA TO PICK UP THOSE 
COSTS.  THAT 2 YEARS IS EXPIRING
AT THE END OF THIS YEAR IN ORDER
TO ADHERE TO COUNCIL'S DIRECTION
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE 6 MONTHS 
NOTICE.  
>> SO BUT JUST CLARITY, COUNCIL 
GAVE PERMISSION TO EXTEND 2 
YEARS, AND YOUR STAFF ARE COMING
BACK NOT WITH A REQUEST TO 
FURTHER EXTEND, BUT RATHER WITH 
A REQUEST TO TERMINATE?  
>> SO MY RECOLLECTION OF THE 
COUNCIL DIRECTION IS TO -- THAT 
THEY WOULD EXTEND 2 YEARS WHILE 
WE ADVOCATE FOR THE PROVINCE TO 
AMENDMENT THEIR FUNDING FORMULA.
AND IT WAS -- IT WAS ONLY 
CONTEMPLATED AS ONE TIME BECAUSE
IT WAS THOSE 2 YEARS ARE FUNDED 
FROM A RESERVE.  SO THERE WAS NO
CONTEMPLATION THAT PERMANENT 
FUNDING WOULD BE RESTORED IN 
ORDER TO CONTINUE THIS AGREEMENT
SO I JUST -- I TOOK SOME TIME TO
JUST REVIEW THAT DECISION.  AND 
THAT IS OUR INTERPRETATION OF 
THAT DIRECTION THAT WENT THROUGH
THE BUDGET PROCESS A COUPLE OF 
YEARS AGO. 
>>  OKAY BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR 
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE IS 
NOT TO EXTEND FURTHER OR 
ADVOCATEADVOCATE LONGER BUT 
RATHER TO TERMINATE, IS THAT 
CORRECT?  
>> THIS WAS A RECEIPT FOR 
INFORMATION REPORT.  WHAT I HAD 
SUGGESTED TO CHILDREN SERVICES 
COUNCILLORS MAY NOT RECALL THAT 
COUNCIL DECISION 2 YEARS AGO SO 
WE JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR WITH 
COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL THAT THIS 
NOTICE WAS GOING TO BE GOING 
OUT.  
>>  OFF LINE I'M GOING TO LOOK 
AT THAT COUNCIL DECISION BECAUSE
I INTERPRETEDED IT DIFFERENTLY. 
>>  THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR 
CRESSY.  COUNCILLOR CARROLL. 
>> SO I'M WONDERING IF BEFORE 
REMOVING THE OCCUPANCY GRANTS 
WHETHER OR NOT
STAFF HAVE GONE THROUGH 
DEVELOPING A BRIEFING TO HAVE 
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW THE CHILD 
CARE BURDEN PLAYS OUT FOR 2 KID 
FAMILIES.  IS IT CLEAR ALL THE 
WAY UP TO THE CITY MANAGER WHAT 
IT MEANS TO SAY
WE'RE A DOUBLE INCOME FAMILY AN 
NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 2 KIDS? 
IS IT REALLY CLEAR TO THEM WHAT 
THE BURDEN IS? 
>>  THROUGH THE CHAIR, I THINK 
IT IS CLEAR.  I MEAN, IF YOU 
WANT US TO GO BACK AND 
ARTICULATE THAT IN A BRIEFING 
NOTE TO EXPAND THAT BROADER, WE 
CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
>>  I'M AT THAT POINT WHERE I 
WANT TO -- BECAUSE I KNOW THIS 
STORY.  I'VE HAD THIS 
CONVERSATION WITH YOUNG COUPLES 
OF CAN WE HAVE A SECOND KID AND 
HOW THEY TIME IT OUT AND FIGURE 
IT OUT TO PACE OUT THE BURDEN.  
I ALMOST WANT IT IN A BRIEFING 
NOTE, WHAT IS THE BURDEN, WE 
COULD USE TREETOPS AS THE 
EXAMPLE, WHAT IS THE BURDEN OF 
HAVING 2 KIDS 3-YEAR APART IN A 
BRIEFING NOTE, SO THAT IT'S 
FINALLY UNDERSTOOD.  BECAUSE 
UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE EXCEPTION
OF COUNCILLOR CRESSY SITTING 
BESIDE ME, I THINK WE LOSE 
TOUCH, BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE'RE
IN THE DECISION-MAKING POSITION 
HERE WE'RE IN OUR 50s AND WE'RE 
NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW 
HARD THIS IS EVEN IF YOU HAVE 2 
DECENT INCOMES.   
AND SO THE OCCUPANCY GRANT, I 
THINK THE PROBLEM IS WOULDN'T 
YOU AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS 
HARD AS THEY'RE TRYING TO 
EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE A DOLLAR 35
A DAY SO $350 A YEAR AND PEOPLE 
GOING OH YOU MAKE 350 THOUSAND 
DOLLARS A YEAR BETWEEN THE 2 OF 
YOU AND THEY'RE NOT 
UNDERSTANDING THE BURDEN.  DO WE
NEED TO CHART THIS OUT FOR 
PEOPLE?  
>> WELL, THROUGH THE CHAIR, WE 
COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.  THAT'S
VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU'D 
HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO IN AND 
LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL'S -- 
INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES.  EVEN 
THOUGH YOU'RE MAKING 2 HUNDRED 
THOUSAND, SOME MIGHT SAY GIVEN 
THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATIONS AND 
THE WAY THEY'VE INVESTED THEIR 
FUNDS THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
OTHER PEOPLE WITH 2 HUNDRED 
THOUSAND WOULD SAY GIVEN MY 
EXPENSES, MY OVERHEAD, I CAN'T 
AFFORD THAT.  SO THAT VARIES FOR
EACH INDIVIDUAL EVEN THOUGH THEY
HAVE THE SAME INCOME.  YOU'D BE 
JUST MAKING GUESSTIMATES.   
>>  OKAY.  I MIGHT DEMONSTRATE 
THAT IN SPEAKING. 
>> LOOKING FORWARD, COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL.  THANK YOU.  ANY 
FURTHER QUESTIONS?  MAY -- I 
JUST HAVE ONE THEN FOR THE DCM, 
MADAM DCM, YOU'VE INDICATED AND 
YOUR REPORT IS VERY CLEAR, 
YOU'RE RESPONDING BACK TO A 
DECISION THAT COUNCIL'S MADE, 
AND YOU'RE PROVIDING AN UPDATE 
IN ESSENCE TO THE LOGICAL 
CONCLUSION BASED ON THE 
DIRECTION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO 
STAFF BY COUNCIL AT THE END IN 
THE 6-MONTH NOTIFICATION AND SO 
ON.  AND I GET ALL THAT.   
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE POINTS THAT 
YOU DID MAKE IN YOUR COMMENT WAS
THAT
THERE HAD BEEN DIRECTION AND 
COUNCIL GAVE ME DIRECTION TO 
WORK WITH THE PROVINCE.  IT'S 
NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT IS AND WHAT
HAD BEEN AND HOW THINGS 
PROGRESSED IN YOUR EFFORT, TO 
YOUR EFFORT TO TRY TO BRING THE 
PROVINCE TO THE TABLE.  NOW, I 
ASK THIS QUESTION GIVEN THE FACT
THAT IT IS NOT JUST THIS 
GOVERNMENT THAT'S IN MACE THAT 
YOU'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH.  HAD TO
DEAL WITH ANOTHER GOVERNMENT IN 
PLACE AND SO ON.  SO I WANT TO 
MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT SIMPLY 
WEIGHTED ON THE CURRENT 
GOVERNMENT.  WHAT HAS BEEN THE 
PROVINCIAL POLICY AND/OR AT 
LEAST THEIR -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT
THE POLICY IS -- BUT IN TERMS OF
THEIR RESPONSE, WHAT HAS BEEN 
THE RESPONSES BEEN PROVIDED TO 
YOU TO DATE? 
>> WELL, THROUGH THE CHAIR, WE 
HAVE STAFF HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING 
STRONGLY WITH THE PROVINCE ON 
THE FUNDING FORMULA FOR CHILD 
CARE, BUT TO DATE THIS 
PARTICULAR ISSUE HAS NOT BEEN --
WE'VE HAD NO INDICATION THAT 
THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE 
FORMULA TO ACCOMMODATE THIS 
PARTICULAR ISSUE. 
>>  SO JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR, 
IT'S NOT JUST A CONSERVATIVE -- 
>> NO.  
>>  PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT THAT 
-- PARDON ME?  
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  ABSOLUTELY NOT.  THIS IS 
GROUNDHOG DAY.   
>>  RIGHT, OKAY.  I JUST WANTED 
TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS FOR --  
CLEAR.  OKAY.  THAT'S ALL THE 
QUESTIONS I HAVE.  SPEAKERS TO 
SPEAK.  COUNCILLOR CRESSY AND 
CARROLL.  COUNCILLOR CRESSY YOU 
MAY BEGIN.  
>>  THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.  AND I
HAVE A MOTION IF IT CAN BE PUT 
ON THE SCREEN WHICH IS TO DIRECT
OUR INTERIM GM TO IDENTIFY 
RESOURCES TO CONTINUE FUNDING 
THE OCCUPANCY AGREEMENTS FROM 
JANUARY 1ST UNTIL THE 2020 
BUDGET PROCESS IN ORDER TO ALLOW
THIS MATTER TO BE CONSIDERED AS 
PART OF THE WIDER 2020 BUDGET
PROCESS.  AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT,
BOTH FROM DEPUTANTS AND ON THE 
LAST ITEM CHILD CARE SHOULD BE 
AFFORDABLE.  THAT'S IT.  IT 
SHOULD BE AFFORDABLE.  I'M NOT 
GETTING LOST IN THE AGREEMENTS 
AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE AND WHO'S 
FUNDING AND WHO'S PAYING FOR 
RENT AND WHO'S PAYING FOR WAGE 
INCREASES.  FOR GOODNESS SAKES 
CHILD CARE SHOULD BE AFFORDABLE,
WHETHER YOU'RE ON A SUBSIDY, 
WAITING FOR A SUBSIDY WHETHER 
YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR A SUBSIDY 
IT SHOULD BE AFFORDABLE.  AND 
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES AM I 
PREPARED TO TELL THE 18,000 KIDS
AND THEIR FAMILIES THAT 
EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, THEIR 
CHILD CARE FEES ARE GOING UP.   
BECAUSE THIS CITY TERMINATED AN 
AGREEMENT. 
NOT ACCEPTABLE.  NOT ON.  AND SO
THIS MOTION IS TO FROM JANUARY 
THROUGH TO THE BUDGET PROCESS TO
MAINTAIN THOSE GRANTS.  AND AS 
PART OF THE 2020 BUDGET PROCESS 
AND PART OF OUR WIDER REVIEW 
NOW, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT HOW WE MANAGE CHILD CARE AT 
LARGE BASED ON QUESTIONS AROUND 
FUNDING AT OTHER LEVELS OF 
GOVERNMENT THIS ALL HAS TO BE 
SEEN PART AND PARCEL, AND WITH 
THAT I'LL CONCLUDE MY REMARKS.  
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH 
COUNCILLOR CRESSY.  COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL. 
>>  I THINK YOU HEAR THE PASSION
THAT YOU HEARD DEFENDING THIS 
MOTION BECAUSE COUNCILLOR CRESSY
IS OF THAT GENERATION.  MULTIPLE
TIMES I'VE HAD PEOPLE WALK 
THROUGH WITH ME HOW COULD I DO 
THIS, HOW COULD I POSSIBLY HAVE 
2 KIDS?  AND HERE'S HOW THEY DO 
IT.  HONEST TO GOD MULTIPLE 
TIMES PEOPLE HAVE WALKED ME 
THROUGH THIS.  BABY 1 IS BORN IN
2018, PICK YOUR YEAR, BABY 1 IS 
BORN IN 2018, SUDDENLY YOU MIGHT
HAVE A MORTGAGE PAYMENT OR RENT 
THAT'S AROUND 2,000 A MONTH, NOW
ADD TO THAT 1,200 A MONTH, 1,200
A MONTH.  A LOT OF US COULDN'T 
DEAL WITH THAT.  WE WOULD MAX 
OUT OUR CREDIT CARDS SO FAST 
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MORE 
OVERHEAD THAN WE HAVE.  BUT THEY
TAKE ON THAT 1,200 A MONTH.  AND
THAT GETS THEM THROUGH THE 
PRESCHOOL YEARS.  IF THEY'RE 
REALLY CAREFUL I'VE HEARD OF 
COUPLES ACTUALLY BEING CAREFUL 
AND THEN USING A DARN OLD SCHOOL
THERMOMETER TO MAKE SURE THAT 
CHILD 2 COMES EXACTLY 3 YEARS 
LATER BECAUSE THEN AND ONLY THEN
THEY WORK IT OUT SO THEY GO INTO
THEIR MATERNITY LEAVE WHICH 
MEANS THEIR SALARY DROPS A 
LITTLE BIT.  THEY GO INTO THEIR 
MATERNITY LEAVE JUST AS BABY 1 
IS HEADING INTO KINDERGARTEN SO 
THAT HE WILL HAVE A LOWER RATE. 
AND SO THAT MATCHES THEIR DROP 
IN SALARY.  THEN WHEN THAT YEAR 
IS UP AND NOW BABY 2 AND BABY 1 
ARE GOING BACK, THEY'VE SUDDENLY
GOT TO CARRY THE FULL AMOUNT OF 
2 KIDS.  BUT THEY'VE TIMED IT 
OUT SO THAT BABY 2 IS A LITTLE 
OLDER, AND SO IT'S NOT ANOTHER 2
THOUSAND A MONTH, THEY CAN GET 
IT DOWN TO WHERE IT'S ONLY 1,700
A MONTH FOR THE 2 KIDS BECAUSE 
HE'S IN KINDERGARTEN HEADING TO 
GRADE SCHOOL WHERE IT WILL GO 
DOWN TO 550 A MONTH AND THEY CAN
JUST ABOUT MAKE IT.  AND BY THE 
TIME BOTH THOSE KIDS ARE IN 
GRADE SCHOOL WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO 
DESPITE HAVING A JOINT INCOME, 
200 GRAND HAVE MAXED OUT EVERY 
CREDIT CARD, GOD FORBID ANYTHING
HAPPENED TO THEIR CAR BECAUSE 
THEY ENDED UP ON TAKING MORE 
DEBT THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE TO 
OWN A HOUSE IN THIS CITY TO KEEP
THAT ALIVE AND THEY CAN'T LIVE 
WITHOUT A CAR BECAUSE THEY'VE 
GOT TO GET 2 BABIES FROM HERE TO
HERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY 
CHILD CARE CENTER THAT WILL TAKE
THEM TO WHERE THEIR JOB IS.   
THAT'S THE LIFE OF A FULL-FEE 
PARENT WITH KIDS.  THEY'RE 
ALREADY SO -- I KNOW THAT THERE 
ARE SOME WHO ARE REALLY WELL 
HALED BUT IN THE MAIN, IN THE 
AVERAGE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE 
GOING THROUGH.  AND HAVING TO 
TIME IT OUT.  SO THE $350 THAT 
SOUNDS LIKE WELL IT'S NOT THAT 
MUCH IF YOU'RE A FULL-FEE PAYING
PARENT, YES, IT IS BECAUSE 
THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE BRINK AND
ON THE BRINK FOR SEVERAL YEARS 
IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE 2 KIDS 
3 YEARS APART WHICH THEY HAVE TO
BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY
COULD POSSIBLY SWING THIS.  SO 
THIS SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE THING 
AT $5 MILLION, BUT IT'S HUGE.   
AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO 
HEAR COUNCIL CONTINUE AGAIN AND 
AGAIN AND AGAIN TO SAY NO, THERE
HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY TO DO 
THIS.  AND IF THERE ISN'T, WE'VE
GOT TO MAN UP AND TAX FOR IT AND
PAY IT AND KEEP GOING AS WE'RE 
DOING.  THANK YOU.   
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.   
I JUST WANT TO ADD MY VOICE IN 
SUPPORT OF THE INTENTION OF THE 
POSSESSION BY COUNCILLOR CRESSY.
YOU
KNOW, IT'S THE CONVERSATION HERE
IS, LOOK, WE'VE GOT TEED A 
BETTER JOB IN TERMS OF ENSURING 
AND PROTECTING THE AFFORDABILITY
OF CHILD CARE IN THIS CITY. 
AND IT ALWAYS APPEARS THAT THE 
BUCK SEEMS TO STOP HERE.  AND 
THE QUESTION IS:  WHERE ELSE 
SHOULD IT STOP?  AND I REALIZE 
THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE 
RESOURCES THAT WE NEED AND WANT 
TO PROVIDE ALL THE SERVICES THAT
WE WANT FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND SO
ON.  BUT I THINK THAT WHEN IT 
COMES TO THIS ISSUE AROUND CHILD
CARE AND PROVIDING SERVICES FOR 
OUR CHILDREN, I DON'T THINK THAT
WE SHOULD BE PASSING THE 
POLITICAL FOOTBALL QUITE 
FRANKLY, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THAT
AT QUEENS PARK IT DOESN'T MATTER
WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A LIBERAL 
GOVERNMENT OR A CONSERVATIVE 
GOVERNMENT, THERE SEEMS TO BE A 
PARTICULAR
FOCUS IN TERMS OF THEIR 
PRINCIPLE IN TERMS OF --  
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR 
PRINCIPLE IS QUITE FRANKLY IN 
TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE PROTECTING
BUT IT REALLY ISN'T CHILD CARE 
AND I GUESS SAVING A FEW 
DOLLARS, AND I'M ALL ABOUT 
SAVING MONEY, BUT AT THE SAME 
TIME NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR 
CHILDREN.  AND SO WE NEED TO 
ENSURE THAT WE DRAW THIS LINE 
WHERE WE FULLY STATES AND WE 
ENFORCE THAT WE WON'T
ACCEPT THESE KIND OF SITUATION 
OR CONDITIONS THAT HAVE SUCH 
DRAMATIC IMPACT ON OUR CHILDREN.
OUR CHILDREN ARE VALUABLE 
RESOURCES.  AND YOU MAY NOT BE 
THE PARENT OF THAT CHILD,
BUT IN A -- SOCIETY WHICH I 
BELIEVE WE ARE IT IS ALL OF OUR 
RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT 
CHILDREN ARE TAKING CARE OF.   
AND THE PRESSURE, THE IMPACT WE 
KNOW, ON THE PARENTS.   
COUNCILLOR CARROLL JUST 
DESCRIBED
IT PERFECTLY, YOU HAVE TO TIME 
YOURSELVES IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU 
HAVE CHILDREN, IN TERMS OF 
AFFORDABILITY, THAT IS NOT 
ACCEPTABLE IN MY VIEW.  AND SO I
BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO DO MORE.
AND TO SIMPLY WALK AWAY
FROM THIS PROCESS BECAUSE WE 
HAVE PUT FORWARD A MOTION THAT 
SAID, WELL, WE'LL FUND IT FOR 2 
YEARS AND THEN THAT'S THE END OF
IT.   
WELL, IT'S NOT.  BECAUSE TO DO 
SO BEING THE END OF IT 18 
THOUSAND 420
YOUNG CHILDREN WILL BE IMPACTED 
GREATLY IN A CITY THAT JUST 
CELEBRATED WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 
BASKETBALL WIN WITH VAST AMOUNT 
OF RESOURCES AND PARADES AND 
WHAT HAVE YOU.   
WELL, LET'S HAVE SOME PARADES 
FOR OUR CHILDREN, LET'S MAKE 
SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT 
THEY'RE NUMBER 1, THAT'S OUR 
CHAMPIONSHIP QUITE FRANKLY.  SO 
I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN ALLOW 
THIS TO SIMPLY
MATTER BE BROUGHT FORWARD AND WE
ACCEPT THAT THE FUNDING IS GOING
TO END BECAUSE THERE'S A MOTION 
FOR COUNCIL A THAT SAID WE'LL 
ONLY GET IT FUNDED FOR 2 YEARS. 
I SAY THAT WE NEED TO FIND THE 
RESOURCES AND I'M NOT SIMPLY 
SUGGESTING TO OTHERS WHO SIMPLY 
WANT TO DOWNLOAD ON US THAT 
WE'RE GOING TO ALWAYS HAVE THE 
RESOURCES, BUT I SAY THAT WITH 
RESPECT TO CHILD CARE
WE CAN'T ACCEPT THIS CONDITION 
WHERE IT WILL BE THAT THE 
PARENTS WOULD BE HAVING TO FEND 
FOR THEMSELVES AND HAVING TO BE 
STRESSED OUT AS COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL HAS POINTED OUT IN HERE 
COMMENTS.  ADDITIONAL SUMS OF 
MONEY WHETHER OR NOT IT'S 350 OR
ANOTHER $10 OR $20 MULTIPLY THAT
OVER THE NUMBER OF DAYS IN THE 
COURSE OF A YEAR, THAT'S A 
SIGNIFICANT SUM OF FUNDS.  AND 
SO I THINK WE HAVE A 
RESPONSIBILITY TO DO MORE TO 
PROTECT OUR CHILDREN.  AND SO I 
FOR 1 WILL STAND AND DEFEND THAT
LINE OF PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN.
SO THANK YOU.   
>>  ON A POINT OF PERSONAL 
PRIVILEGE HOW YOU AS CHAIR GOT 
TO THE RAPTORS TO A PARADE FOR 
CHILDREN BUT IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.  
>>  MASTERFUL
.  
>>  MASTERFUL.   
>> THANK YOU.  SO WE HAVE A 
MOTION BY COUNCILLOR CRESSY.  IF
WE JUST PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN, 
PLEASE.   
JUST WAITING FOR THE MOTION TO 
COME.  SO I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A
RECORDED VOTE ON THIS
ONE. 
>>  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE 
MOTION, COUNCILLOR CARROLL, 
COUNCILLOR CRESSY, COUNCILLOR 
GRIMES, COUNCILOR THOMPSON AND 
COUNCILLOR LAI.  MOTION CARRIES.
>> 
OKAY.  SO THE ITEM HAS BEEN 
ADOPTED OKAY.  THANK YOU.  ALL 
RIGHT.  SO WE ARE MOVING ON NOW 
TO THE NEXT ITEM.  JUST BEFORE 
WE MOVE ON, MEMBERS, THERE ARE 
ACTUALLY 2 PEOPLE HERE THAT I 
JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE.  ONE
BECAUSE I'VE JUST SEEN HIM, I 
DON'T THINK HE'S REALLY SEEN ME 
YET, WE HAVEN'T ACKNOWLEDGED 
HIM, BUT HE'S ONE OF MY LOCAL 
HEROES AND THAT'S MR.
WINSTON, THANK YOU.  GOOD TO SEE
YOU. 
>>  [APPLAUSE].  
>>  AND HE HAS BEEN SUCH A 
DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN IN 
WORKING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND I 
JUST RECOGNIZE THAT YOU WERE 
HERE.  YOU KNOW I'M A GREAT FAN 
OF YOURS.  WE'RE GOOD FRIENDS.  
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR 
BEING HERE.  I WANTED TO WELCOME
YOU HERE, SIR.  GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU, AGAIN.  AND THEN THE 
NEXT PERSON MEMBERS OF COMMITTEE
AND VISITING MEMBERS, I WANT TO 
JUST ACKNOWLEDGE.  I THINK I'VE 
KNOWN HIM FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS.  
AND HE'S STILL AS YOUTHFUL AS HE
WAS THEN.  AND THIS IS I GUESS, 
BITTERSWEET FOR MANY OF US, 
BECAUSE THIS IS
HIS LAST COMMITTEE MEETING WITH 
US.  BUT AS I UNDERSTAND THAT 
HE'S GOING ONTO BIGGER AND 
BETTER THINGS AS IS THE 
EXPECTATION OF -- AND THAT 
PERSON HAS BEEN SUCH A 
REMARKABLE STEADY HAND AND 
LEADER IN SOLE DEVELOPMENT AND 
FINANCE.  AND IT IS , YOU KNOW, 
AS I SAID BITTERSWEET THAT WE 
HAVE TO SAY
I GUESS SO LONG FOR
NOW.  TO A GREAT CONTRIBUTOR WHO
HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR YOUNG 
PEOPLE IN THIS CITY AND 
COMMUNITIES QUITE FRANKLY UNDER 
HIS LEADERSHIP SOCIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCE HAS BEEN
A GO-TO AREA IN THIS CITY.  AND 
I SIMPLY WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE 
CHRIS -- FOR HIS OUTSTANDING 
WORK. 
>>  [APPLAUSE]
.  
>>  THANK YOU SO MUCH I WILL 
NEVER FORGET THE DAY IN 2003 IN 
DECEMBER WE WERE DOING A LOT OF 
WORK AND THE THINGS THAT WE WERE
ABLE TO DO AND ACCOMPLISH AND SO
ON.  I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR 
YOUR GREAT CONTRIBUTION.  THANK 
YOU.   
ALL RIGHT.  MOVING RIGHT ALONG, 
MEMBERS, WE ARE NOW GOING TO 
ITEM
EC6.8 STRENGTHENING TORONTO
TORONTO'S NIGHT ECONOMY.  I HAVE
ON MY LIST AT THE MOMENT 3 
SPEAKERS.  THE FIRST SPEAKER IS 
TRACY
JENKINS FROM -- MUSIC AND ARTS 
CENTRE.  MS. JENKINS YOU'RE 
HERE.  THERE YOU ARE.  THANK 
YOU.  YOU'LL HAVE 5 MINUTES.   
THE LEFT OF THAT CLOCK THE TIMER
IS THERE AND WE WELCOME YOU TO 
COMMITTEE.  YOU MAY BEGIN. 
>>  THANK YOU FOR THE 
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.  FOR
THE PAST 17 YEARS I'VE BEEN PART
OF THE TEAM THAT RUNS THE 
TORONTO LIVE MUSIC VENUE
.  EACH YEAR LULU PRESENTS OR 
HOSTS MORE THAN 400 CONCERTS, 
WORKSHOPS, FUNDRAISERS, 
COMMUNITY EVENTS AND DANCE 
CLASSES, OUR FOCUS IS ON LATIN 
AND -- WE HOST EVERY GENRE OF 
MUSIC.  OUR ACTIVITIES CREATE 
ABOUT 3,500 PERFORMANCE 
OPPORTUNITIES FOR ARTISTS EACH 
YEAR.  WE EMPLOY APPROXIMATELY 
30 FULL AND PART-TIME STAFF.   
EACH YEAR OUR PROGRAMMING 
REACHES ABOUT 70,000 PEOPLE.   
OUR SURVEYS INDICATE THAT 
APPROXIMATELY 20% OF OUR CLIENTS
COME FROM OUT OF TOWN AND MANY 
VISIT TORONTO SPECIFICALLY TO 
ATTEND OUR CONCERTS.  SO 
ALTHOUGH WE'RE A SMALL BUSINESS 
THE DENSITY OF OUR ACTIVITY 
TRANSLATES TO A SIGNIFICANT 
ECONOMIC IMPACT ON OUR LOCAL 
COMMUNITY.  LAST YEAR WE SPENT 
ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS ON 
TORONTO BASED ARTISTS, TECHNICAL
PERSONNEL, AND ADMINISTRATIVE 
STAFF, MUSIC INDUSTRY SERVICE 
PROVIDERS AND LOCAL CONTRACTORS.
I THINK THAT MOST OTHER 
MID-SIZED VENUES MUCH MAKE 
SIMILAR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE 
LOCAL ECONOMY.  SINCE ALL OF 
THIS INVESTMENT IS MADE IN 
ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE BETWEEN 
6:00 P.M. AND 6:00 A.M., WE WERE
HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE 
STAKEHOLDER CONSULTATIONS THAT 
HELPED TO SHAPE THE TORONTO 
NIGHT LIFE ACTION PLAN, AND TO 
WITNESS HOW THE PLAN HAS BEEN 
INFORMED BY A VARIETY OF 
STAKEHOLDERS.  ON BEHALF OF LULA
I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR 
THE TORONTO NIGHT LIFE ACTION 
PLAN AS WE BELIEVE THAT ITS 
IMPLEMENTATION WOULD POSITIVELY 
IMPACT BUSINESSES SUCH AS OURS. 
WE'VE EXPERIENCED MANY OF THE 
CHALLENGES FOR LIFE MUSIC VENUES
THAT ARE DESCRIBED IN THE 
REPORT.  THESE INCLUDE LACK OF 
AFFORDABLE SPACE AS WELL AS 
OUTDATED REGULATORY STRUCTURES 
THAT FORCE MANY CREATORS OF 
NIGHT TIME CULTURE TO OPERATE ON
THE MARGINS OF CURRENT 
REGULATIONS.  WE'RE ONE OF THE 
BUSINESSES DESCRIBED IN THE 
REPORT THAT DOES NOT FIT INTO 
ANY OF THE EXISTING LICENSING 
CATEGORIES.  THE SUCCESS OF 
BUSINESSES LIKE OURS DEPENDS ON 
-- DEPENDS ON TORONTO DEVELOPING
AND MAINTAINING A VIBRANT NIGHT 
LIFE THAT KEEPS YOUNG CREATIVE 
PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND ATTRACTS 
TOURISM AND INVESTMENT THAT 
LEADS TO OPPORTUNITY -- THAT 
LEADS TO EMPLOYMENT 
OPPORTUNITIES.  THE 
IMPLEMENTATION OF A NIGHT TIME 
STRATEGY THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT
THE NEEDS FOR NIGHT TIME ACTIVI
TY TO BE CULTURALLY DIVERSE, 
SAFE AND INCLUSIVE, PROVIDES AN 
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO 
SHAPE TORONTO'S NIGHT TIME 
CULTURE TO BE ONE OF THE MOST 
EXCITING AND ATTRACTIVE IN THE 
WORD AND ENSURE THAT THE 
ACTIVITIES SUPPORTS THE LOCAL 
ECONOMY AND ENTREPRENEURIAL 
SPIRIT.  THE DEVELOPMENT OF BEST
INDUSTRY PRACTICES RECOMMENDED 
WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET FOR VENUE
OPERATORS SUCH AS LULA.  WE'VE 
BEEN DOING OUR BEST TO DEVELOP 
OUR OWN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES 
AND WORKING WITH NEIGHBORS TO 
RESOLVE
ISSUES.  -- ARE ULTIMATELY 
DEPENDENT UPON.  SO WE LOOK 
FORWARD TO SEEING THE SEE 
IMPLEMENT THIS COMPREHENSIVE 
PLAN THAT WOULD TAKE INTO 
ACCOUNT ALL OF THE PREVIOUS 
STUDIES TO MUSIC AND NIGHT LIFE 
CULTURE, REVIEW THE CURRENT 
REGULATIONS, AND CREATE THE 
CONDITIONS FOR NIGHT LIFE TO 
THRIVE IN TORONTO.  THANK YOU. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.   
LET ME JUST SEE IF THERE ARE 
SOME QUESTIONS.  VISITING 
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, NO 
QUESTIONS.  OKAY.  TAKE THIS 
INTO COMMITTEE.  COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL, WE HAVE QUESTIONS OF 
YOU, MA'AM.  IF YOU JUST 
CONTINUE SITTING.  
>> HI.  
>> JUST ONE MOMENT.  
>>  YES.  
>> COUNCILLOR CARROLL HAS 5 
MINUTES TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS.  
>> OKAY. 
>>  OKAY.  GO AHEAD. 
>>WELL, JUST A COUPLE OF 
QUESTIONS.  IT'S GOOD THAT 
YOU'RE HERE TODAY ESPECIALLY 
BECAUSE IN THE EARLY DAYS OF 
GETTING STARTED LULA HAD ITS 
CHALLENGES WHEN IT STARTED TO 
BECOME A MAJOR MUSIC VENUE HAD 
ITS OWN CHALLENGES IN THE LOCAL 
NEIGHBORHOOD.   
HOW MUCH PARTICIPATION WAS THERE
FROM THE CITY IN WORKING THOSE 
THROUGH OR DID YOU JUST REALLY 
HAVE TO WORK OUT YOUR OWN 
RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE 
NEIGHBORHOOD?  
>>.  
>>  WE WERE REALLY LEFT ON OUR 
OWN INITIALLY TO WORK OUT THOSE 
RELATIONSHIPS.  I MEAN, OUR 
STRATEGY HAS ALWAYS BEEN IF 
THERE'S A PROBLEM TO GET 
TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE THAT 
WE'RE HAVING THE PROBLEM WITH 
AND FIGURE IT OUT.  SO, I MEAN, 
I THINK THAT IS PART OF BEST 
PRACTICES.  BUT I HAVE 
DEFINITELY FELT THAT THIS IS A 
DIFFERENCE IN OUR RELATIONSHIP 
WITH THE CITY OVER THE PAST 
YEARS SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF
THE MUSIC OFFICE. 
>> YEAH.  
>>  AND SINCE THE CITY HAS BEEN 
LOOKING, YOU KNOW, SERIOUSLY AT 
HOW THE BYLAWS CAN BE 
RECONSIDERED TO FOSTER THE 
CULTURE THAT TAKES PLACE IN 
VENUES MORE, DEFINITELY WE SEE A
CHANGE AND WE'D JUST LIKE TO SEE
THAT
DIRECTION CONTINUED.  
>>  SO IS IT -- SO YOU NOW HAVE 
THE STAFF HELP AND SIMILAR TO 
THE FILM SECONDER HAVING AN 
ACTUAL UNIT DEDICATED TO IT 
HELPS.  IN TERMS OF HOW COUNCIL 
ENGAGES GOING FORWARD, IMPORTANT
TO HAVE A DOWNTOWN COUNCILLOR 
INVOLVED SO THAT WHERE WE'RE 
DEALING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO 
HAVE THEM UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW, 
THE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE 
HAVE A NIGHT TIME ECONOMY AND TO
FOSTER IT, THAT THAT YOU'VE ALSO
GOT A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DOWN 
THERE THAT UNDERSTANDS HOW TO 
COMMUNICATE THAT AND WORK WITH 
THE COMMUNITY TO EMBRACE IT.  
>> YEAH, THANKS FOR ASKING.  I 
REALIZE THAT I DIDN'T ADDRESS 
THE RECOMMENDATION OF A NIGHT 
TIME AMBASSADOR THAT'S MADE IN 
THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH I 
THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL 
JUST BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE YOU 
KNOW, ONE PERSON WHO'S LOOKING 
AT ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF 
NIGHT LIFE. 
>> YEAH.  
>>  WHO COULD HELP US TO KIND OF
NAVIGATE THINGS WHEN WE'RE NOT 
SURE WHERE TO GO FOR RESOURCES 
OR IF WE RUN UP AGAINST SOME 
REGULATION THAT WE CAN SEE IS
PRESENTING CHALLENGES MAYBE 
UNNECESSARILY.  
>>  RIGHT.  
>> JUST TO HAVE ONE PERSON TO GO
TO, A RESOURCE, A LEADER WOULD 
BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL.  
>> RIGHT, RIGHT.  AND IF THAT 
PERSON -- WE DO WANT TO ACTUALLY
ENCOURAGE
IN YOU KNOW, BUMP OUT A BIT AND 
HAVE THE STRATEGY LOOKS AT 
CREATING POCKETS OF NIGHT TIME 
ECONOMY IN OTHER PARTS OF THE 
CITY.  SO IF THE NIGHT TIME 
MAYOR DOESN'T FROM DO YOU WANT 
NOT A BIG THING, BUT DO WE NEED 
SOME PARTICIPATION BY DOWNTOWN 
REPRESENTATIVES SO THAT YOUR 
UNIQUE CHALLENGES ARE 
UNDERSTOOD? 
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE 
REALLY HELPFUL, YEAH.  
>> OKAY, OKAY.  THANK YOU SO 
MUCH. 
>>  OKAY.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
THAT'S IT.  THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS RD SPENCER
SUTHERLAND, ARE YOU HERE?  OKAY.
SO THAT'S GOING ONCE, SPENCER --
GOING TWICE, SPENCER
-- SPENCER IS NOT HERE.  OKAY.  
OUR NEXT PERSON TO SPEAK AND I 
APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF I DO NOT
PRONOUNCE THE NAME PROPERLY, BUT
I BELIEVE
IT TO BE PATIENCE --
PATIENCE --
GOING TWICE. 
>>  [OFF MIC].  
>>  PARDON ME?  SORRY.  NO, 
THAT'S RIGHT.  OKAY.  PATIENCE 
IS -- IS NOT HERE.  OKAY. 
>>  [OFF MIC] 
.  
>>  PARDON ME? 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  IS SHE OUTSIDE?  OKAY.   
THANK YOU, SIR. 
IS THAT YOU? 
>> PARDON? 
>> ARE YOU MS. --?  
>> YES. 
>>  OKAY, YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK.
YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES, MA'AM. 
LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY 
I'LL START YOUR TIME. 
>>  YEAH, SORRY.  
>>  NO WORRIES.  TAKE YOUR TIME.
>>  OKAY.   
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.  
>>  GOOD MORNING.   
>>  GOOD MORNING.  OH, IT'S 
STILL MORNING IS IT? 
>> IT'S AFTERNOON SOMEWHERE. 
>>  I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT
YOU GUYS WERE JUST PREVIOUSLY 
TALKING ABOUT.  I WAS LISTENING 
ON THE LIFE STREAM.  IT IS 
EVIDENT THAT THE CITY OF TORONTO
IS TRYING TO STRENGTHEN 
ACTIVITIES NOW, THE DESIGNATION 
OF A COUNCILLOR AT TORONTO'S 
NIGHT AMBASSADOR IS A CRUCIAL 
AND BRING YACHT IDEA.  FOR YEARS
MYSELF BELIEVE TORONTO'S 
ENTERTAINMENT SECTOR HAS BEEN 
SLEPT ON AND IT'S VERY 
IMPRESSIVE TO SEE AN AWAKENING. 
 HOWEVER, THIS MEANS MAYOR TORY 
WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A CRUCIAL 
DECISION WHEN DESIGNATING A 
COUNCILLOR.  THIS MEANS HAVING 
AN UP AND PERSONAL LOOKING --  
LOOK ON LEADERSHIP.  THERE'S ONE
THING WE MUST CONSIDER, THE 
AUDIENCE.  THE PEOPLE WHO ARE 
DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN BRINGING 
THESE PRODUCTIONS TOGETHER.  I 
GUARANTEE YOU MAJORITY ARE YOUTH
WITH STORIES THAT THEY HAVE 
TRIED THEIR BEST IN THEIR 
ABILITY TO TELL AND TALENT IN 
ALL FORMS SPEAKS.  I ENCOURAGE 
YOU ALL TO READ THE ARTICLE ON 
-- IT'S HEAD LINED THE VERY WAY 
CITIES LIKE TORONTO -- VERY WAYS
CITIES LIKE TORONTO ARE RUN IS 
MAKING INEQUALITY WORSE.   
BRITTANY WROTE SOMETHING VERY 
IMPORTANT, CONVERSATIONS ON 
MUNICIPAL GOVERNANCE AND LOCAL 
POWER HAVE FOUND THEIR WAY BACK 
INTO MAINSTREAM POLITICS 
SPECIFICALLY ON THE NEED TO 
EMPOWER MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS TO
SAY BETTER ADJUST THE NEEDS OF 
THEIR CITIES, BUT AS 
CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE NEW 
FEDERAL AND MUNICIPAL 
PARTNERSHIPS COME ABOUT LITTLE 
FOCUS HAS BEEN PUT ON PEOPLE OF 
THESE CITIES.  THE EXPERIENCES 
AND STORIES AND HOW GOVERNMENT 
IMPACTS THEIR LIVES.  THE PATH 
FORWARD IS CONNECTING PEOPLE'S 
STORIES AND HOW CITY GOVERNOR 
VERN THEM I BELIEVE AT THE END 
OF THE DAY TALENT LIKE I SAID 
BEFORE TALENT IN ALL FORMS 
SPEAKS VOLUMES.  AND THAT'S 
SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF THE 
YOUTH IN THE CITY OF TORONTO 
HAVE TO BOOST
ABOUT.  SOME ADD A VICE FOR 
MAYOR TORY DESIGNATE A MEMBER OF
COUNCIL WHO HAS PROVEN TO BE A 
STRONG CONNECTION BETWEEN YOUTH,
ENTERTAINMENT FIELD IN GENERAL 
AND ORGANIZERS. 
THAT REPRESENTATIVE WILL PLAY A 
CRUCIAL ROLE IN BUILDING A 
BRIDGE FOR TORONTO'S NIGHT LIFE.
THE AIM OF ASSIGNING A NIGHT 
TIME AMBASSADOR MEANS CREATING A
VOICE AND BEING THAT BRIDGE.  AS
I READ, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE
NIGHT TIME ECONOMY IS OFTEN 
OVERLOOKED IN MUNICIPAL -- IN 
MUNICIPAL ECONOMICS AND 
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING AND AS A
RESULT OF MARKET FORCES AND 
MUNICIPAL POLICIES, TORONTO'S 
NIGHT TIME CULTURE IS UNDER 
THREAT FROM INCREASING BUSINESS 
COSTS AND REGULATORY CHALLENGES,
HOWEVER, AS THIS COMMITTEE 
SHOULD KNOW ALL WORLD CLASS 
CITIES ARE TAKING THE 
APPROPRIATE STEPS TO PLAN, 
SUSTAIN AND EXECUTE 
ENTERTAINMENT RELATE ACTIVITIES.
DOING SO DOES MERGE PEOPLE IN 
VARIOUS INDUSTRIES TOGETHER.   
ONE THING I BELIEVE THE CITY OF 
TORONTO NEEDS THE MOST AT THIS 
TIME TOGETHERNESS.  SOMETIMES 
THE ANSWER TO BIG PROBLEMS IN 
THE CITY ARE SMALL SIMPLE 
SOLUTIONS.  A LOT OF THE STREET 
POLITICS ACTUALLY THAT GOES ON 
IS CAUSED BY A LACK OF 
TOGETHERNESS IN THE CITY OF 
TORONTO.  THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL
OVER THE YEARS WITH SUCH ACTION 
TO DRAIN.  POP UP PERFORMANCES 
IN UNCONVENTIONAL SPACES, 
INDUSTRY TOWN HALLS WHEN YOU 
WORK WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS 
ESPECIALLY IT BRINGS OUT 
TORONTO'S CULTURE, TALENT 
POTENTIAL AND ABOVE ALL 
STRENGTHENS TORONTO'S POPULATION
OR ENTERTAINMENT OR AS WE CALL 
IT RIGHT NOW THE NIGHT LIFE 
WHICH IS THE AIM OF THIS 
RECOMMENDATION.  I'M HERE TO 
REMIND YOU GUYS OF ALL OF THAT 
AND PASS A MESSAGE TO THE MAYOR 
WHOEVER IS DESIGNATED FOR THIS 
ROLE IS GOING TO PLAY SUCH A 
CRUCIAL ROLE IN THE CITY OF 
TORONTO'S FUTURE ESPECIALLY 
AMONGST THE YOUTH BECAUSE THE 
YOUTH IN THE CITY OF TORONTO ARE
INCREDIBLY TALENTED AND LOOKING 
FOR WAYS TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES 
AND LOOKING FOR PLATFORMS WHICH 
ONLY THE CITY OF TORONTO
CAN GIVE TO THEM AT THIS TIME.  
>>  ANY QUESTIONS?  VISITING 
MEMBERS QUESTIONS?  OKAY.  OKAY.
COUNCILLOR CARROLL. 
>>  SO DO WE PLACE THAT AS THE 
MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT -- TO 
WORK OUT THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH 
YOUTHS THAT ARE ALREADY TRYING 
TO BE INVOLVED AND ENTERING INTO
THIS SPACE FOR THE AMBASSADORS, 
IS THAT THE MORE IMPORTANT 
RELATIONSHIP OR THE RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE ALREADY ESTABLISHED
OPERATORS? 
>> I WOULDN'T WANT TO UNDERMINE 
ANY RELATIONSHIP, BUT I DO WANT 
TO SAY THAT THE RELATIONSHIP 
WITH THE YOUTH IS VERY 
IMPORTANT.  BECAUSE THESE ARE --
THESE ARE WAYS THAT THE YOUTH 
EXPRESS THEMSELVES.  THERE'S NO 
MANY YOUTH IN THE CITY OF 
TORONTO WHO ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS
TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES.  THERE 
ARE PLATFORMS LIKE 6 BUZZ TV 
WHICH IS A SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM
AND YOU KNOW MY FRIENDS ARE THE 
FOUNDERS OF THAT.  AND IT'S 
AMAZING HOW THEY BROUGHT A WHOLE
BUNCH OF CULTURE TOGETHER YOU 
HAVE YOUTH CONNECT VIA SOCIAL 
MEDIA, 6 BUS SHARES A LOT OF THE
TALENTS FROM THE CITY.  
>> RIGHT.  
>>  I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE 
WHOEVER THE COUNCILLOR IS, 
COUNCILLORS IN GENERAL NEED TO 
DEFINITELY FOCUS ON CREATING A 
GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE 
YOUTH BECAUSE -- 
>>  RIGHT.  
>>  THE YOUTH AND THE CITY OF 
TORONTO ARE THE TALENT THAT 
TORONTO HAS.  AND YOU KNOW, 
MAYBE A LOT MAY SAY HMM I DON'T 
SEE IT IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T 
HAVE PLATFORMS ONCE WE HAVE 
PLATFORMS TORONTO WILL CHANGE.  
ALL EYES ARE ON TORONTO RIGHT 
NOW.  YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN
WE WON THE CHAMPIONSHIPS, THE 
WHOLE CITY CAME TOGETHER.  THE 
YOUTH WERE SO EXCITED, SO 
TOGETHER AND WE DEFINITELY NEED 
MORE OF THAT.  AND THE ONLY WAY 
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET MORE
OF THAT IS LIKE I SAID, IF WE 
WORK TOGETHER WITH THE 
COUNCILLORCOUNCILLORS, THE 
COUNCILLORS WORK TOGETHER WITH 
THE YOUTH AND MAKE SURE YOU 
AMPLIFY THEIR VOICES AND THEIR 
TALENT THAT THEY HAVE THAT IS 
WAITING TO BE EXPOSED. 
>> THANK YOU.  
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  THERE 
ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT.  MEMBERS,
I WILL NOW JUST TAKE THIS INTO 
COMMITTEE.  AND QUESTIONS OF 
STAFF, VISITING MEMBERS
FIRST.   
COUNCILLOR AINSLIE. 
>>  THANK YOU, THANK YOU.   
THROUGH YOU, MR. CHAIR, I WANT 
TO START BY ASKING ABOUT THE 
FIRST RECOMMENDATION WHERE IT 
TALKS ABOUT MAKING THE NIGHT 
TIME AMBASSADOR A MEMBER OF 
COUNCIL.  I KNOW THERE IS 
REFERENCE IN THE REPORT THAT THE
DEPUTY
MAYOR, IS THEIR NIGHT TIME 
AMBASSADOR BUT WHEN I LOOK AT 
THE OTHER LIST OF CITIES AROUND 
THE WORLD, LONDON, NEW YORK, 
SIDNEY, THEY ALL HAVE APPOINTED 
NIGHT TIME MAYORS OR THEY HAVE 
CITIZENS THAT GO THROUGH AN 
INTERVIEW PROCESS OR AN ELECTION
PROCESS.  SO I'M TRYING TO 
UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COUNCILLOR 
RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM. 
>>  I'M GOING TO ASK OUR 
DIRECTOR OF ENTERTAINMENT 
INDUSTRIES AND FILM COMMISSION 
TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.   
>>  THANK
YOU.  SO THROUGH THE CHAIR, THE 
PARSIAN EXAMPLE IS AN EXAMPLE WE
FOLLOWED NOT JUST WITH REGARD TO
COUNCILLOR, DEPUTY MAYOR IN THE 
ROLE OF NIGHT TIME AMBASSADOR 
BUT ALSO THEY HAVE -- THAT IS 
VERY SIMILAR TO THE WORKING 
GROUP THAT WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING
AND SO THE 2 WOULD WORK TOGETHER
IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY.  BUT 
OTHER REASONS THAT WE
-- ON THE IDEA OF A COUNCILLOR 
IN THE ROLE OF AMBASSADOR IS 
BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY 
DIVISIONS AND AGENCIES WITHIN 
THE CITY THAT NEED TO 
PARTICIPATE FOR THIS INITIATIVE 
TO BE SUCCESSFUL, WE FELT THAT 
HAVING A COUNCILLOR IN THIS ROLE
WOULD GIVE IT THE VISIT ABILITY 
AND THE SENSE OF IT BEING A 
PRIORITY THAT WOULD HELP TO 
SUPPORT
AND ADVANCE THIS INITIATIVE.  IT
ALSO ALLOWS FOR A PUBLICALLY 
KNOWN INDIVIDUAL TO BE A TOUCH 
POINT FOR BUSINESSES WHO WANT 
THEIR VOICES HEARD, FOR 
RESIDENTS WHO WANT THEIR VOICES 
HEARD, AND TO WORK WITH MEDIA.  
IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT WE FEEL
THAT THEY HAVE ETHICAL AND 
PROFESSIONAL TRAINING THAT'S 
ALIGNED WITH THE STANDARDS OF 
CITY COUNCIL.  THERE ARE MANY 
EXAMPLES AROUND THE WORLD AS 
COUNCILLOR AINSLIE ALLUDED TO, 
AND IN SOME EXAMPLES THERE HAS 
BEEN THE PERCEPTION THAT THERE 
IS SOME TENSION BETWEEN THE 
APPOINTED PERSON AND COUNCIL.   
SO WE FELT THAT HAVING A 
COUNCILLOR IN THE ROLE WOULD 
ADDRESS THAT.  THAT SAID, THERE 
ARE MANY MODELS AROUND THE WORLD
THAT ARE WORKING IN DIFFERENT 
WAYS AND WORKING WELL. 
>> OKAY.  AND I ALSO WANTED --  
SO THE RECOMMENDATION ABOUT POP 
UPS I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA.   
YOU KNOW THEY'RE USED ALL OVER 
THE WORLD NOT JUST IN CITIES 
WITH NIGHT TIME AMBASSADORS, BUT
I WAND TO ASK ABOUT AMSTERDAM, I
FOE ONE OF THE CONCERNS IN 
TORONTO HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT ALL
OF THE NIGHT LIFE IS DOWNTOWN IN
AMSTERDAM THEY WHICH HAS A 
POPULATION OF ABOUT A MILLION 
AND A HALF PEOPLE, WHAT THEY DID
WAS THEY LICENSED 10, 24-HOUR 
LOCATIONS.  THEY SPREAD THEM OUT
ACROSS THE CITY.  BUT THEY ALSO 
LOOKED
LOCATIONS THERE WERE OPEN, YOU 
KNOW, DURING THE DAY THAT HAD A 
MULTI DISCIPLINARY, YOU KNOW, 
CO-WORKING SPACE, BARS, ART 
GALLERIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 
AND SPREAD THEM OUT ACROSS THE 
CITY.  AND THEY WERE LICENSED ON
THAT BASIS.  IS THAT SOMETHING 
WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT?  
>> THE COMMITTEE WOULD -- THE 
WORKING GROUP WOULD DETERMINE 
WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT, BUT 
CERTAINLY THE AMSTERDAM MODEL IS
ONE OF THE MOST INSPIRING.  THE 
FACT THAT THEY TIED LICENSES TO 
COMMUNITY GIVE BACKS LIKE USING 
THESE SPACES FOR DAY CARES AND 
SHARED WORK SPACES IS REALLY 
GREAT.  THE FACT THAT THEY DID 
THIS FOR LOCATIONS OUTSIDE THE 
CORE LOCATIONS THAT WERE REALLY 
READY TO EMBRACE MORE NIGHT TIME
ACT VASE IS ALSO REALLY GREAT.  
SO IF THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO 
LOOK AT SOME OF THE BEST 
EXAMPLES IN THE WORLD THEY WOULD
MOST CERTAINLILY LOOKING AT 
AMSTERDAM.  
>>  AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT 
I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR SINCE 
2016, THE CONCEPT OF A NIGHT 
TIME AMBASSADOR.  THE ONE PART 
OF THIS WHOLE REPORT THAT KIND 
OF WORRIES ME IS THE FUNDING 
MODEL.  REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE
USE A CITY COUNCILLOR AS THE 
AMBASSADOR OR GO THROUGH ANOTHER
PROCESS, A LOT OF THE CITIES 
THAT I'VE LOOKED AT THEY USE A 
FUNDING MODEL OF -- THEY -- THE 
FUNDING IS SPLIT BETWEEN THE 
CITY OR THE MUNICIPALITY AND THE
BUSINESSES ACROSS THE CITY.  AND
I WAS HOPING WE COULD LOOK AT 
SOMETHING MORE LIKE THAT THAN A 
FUNDING MODEL THAT'S STRICTLY 
GOING TO BE DONE THROUGH OUR 
BUDGET. 
>> I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILLOR,
AND WE WILL LOOK AT THAT THROUGH
A VARIETY OF PROCESSES.  THERE 
ARE SOME EXAMPLES THAT ARE 
SUCCESSFUL WORKING WITH THE 
INDUSTRY.  IT'S JUST A QUESTION 
OF GETTING THE CORPORATION.  SO 
SOME KIND OF PUBLIC PRIVATE 
PARTNERSHIP MAKES SENSE IN THIS 
CASE BECAUSE IT'S TO THEIR 
BENEFIT AND TO THE CITY'S 
BENEFIT. 
>>  OKAY.  THANK YOU.  THANK 
YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLO AINSLIE.   
OKAY COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM WILL 
ASK QUESTIONS.  THANK YOU. 
>> 
YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 
CHAIR.  WITH RESPECT TO THE 
STRATEGY THAT IS BEFORE US, I 
SENSE THAT IT IS GONE THROUGH A 
LOT OF CONSULTATION, IT IS VERY 
BROAD AND
THERE IS A VISION DOCUMENT, I 
THINK THAT HAS EMERGED OUT OF 
THIS.  WITH RESPECT TO THE 
ONGOING IMPLEMENTATION AND THAT 
DO IT YOURSELF KIT WHICH I THINK
IS VERY INTERESTING, HOW DO YOU 
ENVISION THAT ROLLING OUT?  
>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, HOW THIS 
WOULD ROLL OUT WOULD BE 
PRINCIPALLY THROUGH ACTIVATION 
OF THE AMBASSADOR AND ALSO 
THROUGH AN ACTIVATION OF 
RELEVANT WORKING GROUPS.  SO ONE
WORKING GROUP WOULD BE INTERNAL 
TO CITY HALL WITH ALL OF THE 
RELEVANT PARTIES, EVERYBODY FROM
MUNICIPAL LICENSING AND 
STANDARDSSTANDARDS, PLANNING, 
TRANSPORTATION, POLICE AND SO 
ON.  AND ANOTHER WORKING GROUP 
AND THE TWO WOULD OFTEN BE 
COMBINED BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT 
THAT THEY HEAR EACH OTHER, WHICH
WOULD BE DIY, EVENT ORGANIZERS, 
CREATIVE PRODUCERS, VEND KNEW 
OPERATORS, GROUPS THAT REPRESENT
SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES THAT MAY BE
VULNERABLE AT NIGHT SUCH AS 
WOMEN,
LGBTQ AND SO ON.  SO THE 2 
GROUPS WOULD WORK WITH THE 
AMBASSADOR TO REALLY DETERMINE 
WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE GOING TO
BE ROLLING OUT.  
>>  AND WHAT WOULD SUCCESS LOOK 
LIKE?  
>> IT'S SUCH A GOOD QUESTION 
BECAUSE ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE
CHALLENGES THAT WE DEAL WITH IS 
AS WE LOOK AT THE INJURES 
DIRECTIONS AROUND THE WORLD, 
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND 
FINANCIAL METRICS THAT REALLY 
ENCAPSULATE WHAT SUCCESS MIGHT 
LOOK AT -- MIGHT LOOK LIKE.  BUT
WHAT WE CAN SAY IS THERE ARE 
CURRENTLY BARRIERS THAT PEOPLE 
-- THAT BUSINESS OWNERS IN 
TORONTO DEAL WITH.  AND TRACY 
JENKINS FROM LULA LOUNGE ALLUDE 
TODAY SOME OF THEM.  THESE ARE 
CHALLENGES RELATED TO ZONING, 
CHALLENGES RELATED TO LICENSING 
AND SO ON.  IF AT MINIMUM WE CAN
SAY THAT WE REMOVED SOME OF 
THESE BARRIERS AND IN ADDITION 
TO THAT WE CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE 
SUCCESSFULLY APPLIED VISION THAT
HAS EXTENDED AND AMPLIFIED THE 
CULTURAL DIVERSITY OF OUR CITY 
AND TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE OTHER
9 TO 5, THAT WE HAVE
AS PATIENCE -- SAID, IF WE HAVE 
SERVED YOUTH BY GIVING THEM 
PLATFORMS TO PERFORM ON AND BY 
CREATING CULTURAL VIBRANCY IN 
THIS CITY THEN WE'LL KNOW WE 
HAVE HAD SOME SUCCESS.  
>>  AND SO THE VIBRANCY AND THE 
FEASIBILITY OF THESE SORT OF DO 
IT YOURSELF POP-UPS, WHICH 
SHOULD HAVE A TURNKEY APPROACH 
AS OPPOSED TO A LOT OF 
BUREAUCRATIC ADMINISTRATION 
BEFORE SOMEBODY OVERCOMES THAT 
HURDLE TO START THE BUSINESS OR 
THE VENTURE ENTERPRISE, EVEN 
OPEN THE DOORS FOR -- TO WELCOME
GUESTS, HOW -- HOW WILL YOU --  
HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO ELIMINATE 
THAT?  BECAUSE THERE STILL IS 
THE REQUIREMENT OBVIOUSLY TO DO 
SO TO DO SOME CONSULTATION BUT 
YOU WANT TO NOT DO SO MUCH 
CONSULTATION THAT YOU RESTRICT 
THEM FROM GOING AHEAD AND DOING 
IT.   
>>  YEAH, IT'S A MATTER OF HOW 
MANY DOORS YOU HAVE TO KNOCK ON 
IN ORDER TO HAVE A POP UP EVENT.
OBVIOUSLY FIRE AND POLICE AND 
LICENSING AND SAFETY AND ALL OF 
THAT, SO IT'S A MATTER OF 
SIMPLIFYING THAT PROCESS.   
THROUGH THE MUSIC OFFICE WHICH 
CERTAINLY TRACY JENKINS'S 
REMARKS WERE VERY APPRECIATED 
WITH REGARD TO THE MUSIC OFFICE.
THROUGH THE MUSIC OFFICE SOME OF
THESE INITIATIVES HAVE ALREADY 
BEEN HAPPENING.  SO I WOULD LIKE
TO ASK MIKE TANNER TO ADD ANY 
COMMENTS YOU MIGHT WISH TO AT 
THIS POINT.  MIKE. 
>>  THANKS.  THROUGH THE CHAIR, 
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM -- IS 
CORRECT, THERE ARE CURRENTLY A 
LOT OF CONFUSING AND SOMETIMES 
BARRIERS THAT ESPECIALLY DIY 
EVENT PROMOTERS HAVE TO JUMP 
THROUGH IN ORDER TO GET THINGS 
OFF THE GROUND.  WHAT WE MAY BE 
ABLE TO AIM AT IS A MORE 
STREAMLINED PROCESS WHERE
PERMITS AND LICENSES -- PERMITS 
ARE ISSUED TO PROMOTERS AS 
OPPOSED TO BRICKS AND MORTAR 
SPACES BECAUSE THE VERY NATURE 
OF DIY EVENT OR ACTIVITY IS THAT
IT'S NOMADIC, IT DOESN'T 
NECESSARILY RESIDE AT ONE 
ADDRESS, PEOPLE GO -- ART GOES 
WHERE ART CAN AFFORD TO GO 
SOMETIMES.   
WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO WORK BY
BRINGING TOGETHER
THE COMMUNITY OF DIY EVENT 
ORGANIZERS WITH
ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE IN SOME 
WAY THE KEY TO SPACES LIKE THAT.
BE THE CITY SPACES, PARKS, 
LIBRARIES, MUSEUMS, OR SPACES 
THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY
MERCHANTS, RETAILERS, WILL THE 
STORE FRONTS, BIAS HAVE SOME 
PURVIEW OVER SOME OF THAT.  SO 
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE DIALOGUE 
AND INTEREST THAT DIALOGUE WE 
CAN GET A SENSE OF WHERE SOME OF
THE CHALLENGES ARE, WORKING WITH
OUR COLLEAGUES IN MUNICIPAL 
LICENSING STANDARDS WE'RE HOPING
TO ROLL OUT SOMETHING THAT FEELS
LIKE WHAT VANCOUVER ALREADY HAS 
WHICH IS AN ARTS AND EVENTS PERM
SYSTEM.  
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  BRING 
THIS INTO COMMITTEE.  COUNCILLOR
CRESSY.  
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.  I WANT
TO FOLLOW-UP SPECIFICALLY ON 
RECOMMENDATION 3, THIS IS TO 
DIRECT A WHOLE SERIES OF CITY 
OFFICIALS, MLS, CITY PLANNING, 
TO DO THAT ALIGNMENT OF ZONING 
AND BUSINESS LICENSING 
REGULATIONS AROUND LIVE MUSIC, 
WHEN DO WE EXPECT THAT TO COME 
BACK?  WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT 
THIS FOR A WHILE.  I WAS PLEASED
TO SEE IT HERE, BUT THE REC HERE
IS FOR SOMETHING TO COME BACK. 
>>  YES.  SO OUR ASPIRATION IS 
THAT THIS REPORT WILL GO TO 
COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER.  ONCE IT 
GOES TO COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER, WE
WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE 
YOU KNOW, PULLING SOME OF THIS 
TOGETHER.  SO THE WORK ON IT 
WOULD START AT THAT POINT IN 
TIME IN TERMS OF A REPORT BACK 
DATE.  I DON'T KNOW AT THIS 
POINT EXACTLY WHEN THAT WOULD 
BE.  OBVIOUSLY AS SOON AS 
POSSIBLE.  YEAH.   
>>  SO THE -- BUT THIS WOULD BE 
-- SO THE REPORT BACK AROUND 
ZONING CHANGES TO HELP 
FACILITATE AND SUPPORT LIVE 
MUSIC, THAT WOULD THEN GO 
THROUGH THE PLANNING AND HOUSING
COMMITTEE, IS THAT CORRECT?  
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT 
THAT'S THE CASE, YEAH.  YES.  
>> SO THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE 
PLANNING AN HOUSING COMMITTEE.  
AND IT SAYS HERE IN 2020.  SO IN
THE AGENDA FORECAST, DO WE KNOW 
WHEN WE'RE EXPECTING THAT 
REPORT?  AND I KNOW IT'S 
COMPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S MLS, 
EDC, CITY PLANNING, IT'S 
EVERYBODY.  SO DO WE HAVE AN 
EXPECT REPORT BACK IN 2020 ON 
THAT?  
>> I DON'T THINK IT -- THROUGH 
THE CHAIR, I DON'T THINK IT SAYS
FIRM AS Q1, Q2, Q3.  THIS IS A 
LOT OF MOVING PARTS.  AGAIN, 
THIS IS A LOT OF EMERGING 
BUSINESS TYPES.  AND THE BAR, 
THE LOUNGE, THE NIGHTCLUB, MUSIC
VENUES, POP-UP EVENTS, THERE ARE
SO MANY PIECES THAT ARE INVOLVED
THAT LICENSING AND ZONING NEED 
TO WORK TOGETHER.  AND SO 
THERE'S A FAIR BIT OF WORK THAT 
GOES INVOLVED WITH THAT. 
>>  OKAY.  OKAY.  SO SOME TIME 
IN 2020.  OKAY.   
THEN I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW-UP ON
THE SOME OF COUNCILLOR 
WONG-TAM'S QUESTIONS AROUND OUR 
DIY SPACES.  SO THE REPORT HERE 
THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US
THE DIY EVENTS IN TORONTO 
UNDERSTANDING THE CHALLENGES 
THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC 
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT REPORT
MADE FROM -- WHICH LOOK AT 
EXCELLENT -- THE CITY-WIDE 
PERMITTING PROCESS, TALKS ABOUT 
A CENTRALIZED PROCESS THERE.   
WHO HOW ARE THOSE 
RECOMMENDATIONS?  I DON'T THINK 
THEY'RE CAPTURED IN THE 
RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE BEING 
ASKED ABOUT ON HERE TODAY, ARE 
THEY?  
>> THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE 
RECOMMENDATIONS.  THEY'RE THERE 
FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND FOR THE
COMMITTEE AND THE AMBASSADOR TO 
LOOK AT AND MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT
THE CONSULTATION WITH OUR 
COLLEAGUES IN THE DIFFERENT 
DIVISIONS.  
>>  SO CAN I ASK WHETHER STAFF 
WOULD SUPPORT, THE FIRST 
RECOMMENDATION THERE TO DEVELOP 
A CITY-WIDE CENTRALIZED 
PERMITTING PROCESS TO HELP 
IDENTIFY THOSE DIY SPACES 
FACILITATE THEM OPENING?  WOULD 
STAFF BE SUPPORTIVE OF US ADDING
THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE 
OVERALL RECOMMENDATIONS NOW?  
>> THE RECOMMENDATION TO 
INVESTIGATE THAT, YES.   
>>  SORRY?  
>> A RECOMMENDATION TO 
INVESTIGATE THAT, YES  
>> OKAY. 
>> SO I'M GOING TO ASK OTHER 
PEOPLE TO SPEAK FIRST AS I COME 
OVER AND GET SOME LANGUAGE ON 
THAT.  THOSE ARE ALL MY 
QUESTIONS. 
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CRESSY.  ANY OTHER 
MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS ON THIS 
PARTICULAR ISSUE?  OKAY.  I'LL 
ASK A QUESTION OR TWO.  I GUESS 
THROUGH TO THE GENERAL MANAGER, 
THE REPORT AND I KNOW THE 
CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ABOUT
VENUES
LICENSING, ZONING AND SO ON.  
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK 
IS NEEDED IN MY VISIT TO 
AMSTERDAM I MET WITH -- AND WE 
TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT OUR 
DESIRE TO IMPLEMENT THIS NIGHT 
ECONOMY
STRUCTURE.   
TRANSPORTATION AS IT RELATES TO 
PUBLIC TRANSIT IS A KEY PIECE, I
BELIEVE.  I'M JUST WONDERING 
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE FULLY 
FLESHED THAT OUT, I'M JUST 
WONDERING WHERE IS THAT IN THIS 
PROCESS?  BECAUSE I THINK IF THE
TTC, FOR EXAMPLE, IS NOT A PART 
OF THIS PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO 
HAVE SOME HUGE CHALLENGES IN 
TERMS OF MOVING PEOPLE WHEN THEY
WANT TO MOVE THE ASSISTANT 
CLOSED DOWN THE CENTRE AFTER 
2:00 P.M., YES, I KNOW THEIR 
BUSINESS SERVICES AND SO ON THAT
RUNS IN VARYING PARTS BUT IT'S 
NOT CITY-WIDE.  AND I'M JUST 
WONDERING WHAT'S THE GAME PLAN 
THERE WITH RESPECT TO PUBLIC 
TRANSIT?  
>> SO I'D REFER TO YOU 
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 6.  
>> I UNDERSTAND, I WANT YOU TO 
TELL ME WHAT IT IS.  
>>  SO WE NEED TO DO EXACTLY 
WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, NEED TO
WORK WITH TTC, TAKE A LOOK AT 
THE LOCATIONS THAT MAKE SENSE 
FOR DIYs, SOMETIMES THE DIYs ARE
POP-UP BECAUSE OF PRICE, LACK OF
CONFLICT WITH USERS TO AREAS 
WHICH DON'T HAVE TTC SERVICE.   
SO THAT'S AN ISSUE WE NEED TO 
LOOK AT ON A WIDER BASIS. 
>>  OKAY.  I KNOW THAT IN SOME 
AREAS WHERE THIS NIGHT ECONOMY 
HAS DEVELOPED THERE'S BEEN A 
NUMBER OF BENEFITS SUCH AS A 
REDUCTION IN CRIME IN VARYING 
AREAS, COULD SOMEONE SPEAK TO 
THAT AND WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH 
RESPECT TO THE POLICE IN TERMS 
OF ENHANCING MEASURES TO 
COLLABORATE WITH BUSINESSES AND 
SO ON IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING 
SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE
WOULD TEND TO HAVE OTHERWISE 
WHERE CERTAIN AREAS ARE CLOSED 
DOWN, IT'S DARKER, ARE WE 
LOOKING AT IMPROVED LIGHTING AND
SO ON ACROSS THE CITY'S SUCH AS 
IT RELATES TO THE NIGHT ECONOMY 
OPERATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT
INTRODUCING? 
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.  SO YOU'LL 
SEE THAT RECOMMENDATION 5 POINT 
A TALKED ABOUT A SAFER VENUE 
INDUSTRY GUIDE.  SO THAT 
OBVIOUSLY REFERS TO THE VENUES 
THEMSELVES.  CERTAINLY MUNICIPAL
LIGHTING IS ONE OF THE THINGS 
THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT IN TERMS
OF WHERE POP-UPS OR NEW VENUES 
OR NEW ZONING IS ALLOWING FOR 
NIGHT LIFE.  TRANSPORTATION HAS 
BEEN
PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH 
RESPECT TO THIS REPORT.   
AND WILL BE GOING FORWARD AS 
WITH TTC.  
>>  AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS:   
TORONTO HYDRO WHAT ROLE WILL 
THEY PLAY, AGAIN, THERE ARE MANY
FEATURES THAT IS
CITIES LIKE SHANGHAI AND MANY 
OTHER CITIES WHEN YOU GO SOME OF
THE ILLUMINATION THAT TENDS TO 
OCCUR HAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE 
BENEFICIAL IMPACT I'M JUST 
WONDERING IF TORONTO HYDRO HAS 
BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THIS PLAN
AS WELL.  INITIALLY PART OF THAT
IS THE COST OF UTILITY SERVICES,
AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WE
WILL ACTUALLY NAVIGATE THAT 
WHOLE PROCESS. 
>>  [OFF MIC] THERE WE GO.   
AMSTERDAM HAS DONE LIGHTING 
DESIGN AROUND THAT.  AND THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY 
BE LOOKING AT.  AND THAT'S 
SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE -- WILL 
BE INCORPORATED INTO THE 
INTERNAL WORKING GROUP.  SO IT 
IS ON OUR RADAR AND SOMETHING 
THAT WE WOULD BE PURSUING. 
>>  OKAY, FANTASTIC, THANK YOU. 
>>  MR. CHAIR, COULD I GO BACK 
TO COUNCILLOR CRESSY'S REQUEST? 
WE THINK YOUR REQUEST IS COVERED
IN 2C AND SO WE'LL DEAL WITH IT 
UNDER 2C, OKAY. 
>>  OKAY.  THANK YOU.   
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?  SEEING 
NONE, TO SPEAK.  OKAY, VISITING 
MEMBERS WE'LL START WITH 
COUNCILLOR AINSLIE.  COUNCILLOR 
AINSLIE.   
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.  I'VE 
GOT 3 MOTIONS THAT I WANT TO 
MOVE THAT I HOPE SOMETHING WILL 
TAKE CHARGE OF FOR ME.  THE 
FIRST ONE AND THESE ARE ALL 
BASED ON MY QUESTIONS.  THE 
FIRST ONE IS AROUND THE CITY 
COUNCILLOR AND HAVING THE CITY 
COUNCILLOR APPOINTED AS THE 
NIGHT TIME AMBASSADOR.  I 
UNDERSTAND THE STAFF'S RATIONAL 
THEY LOOKED AT PARIS BUT ALREADY
A NUMBER OF CITIES WHERE THEY'VE
APPOINTED A CITIZEN MEMBER.   
I'LL GO BACK TO THE -- 
>> WITH GREAT CHALLENGES AS 
WELL.  
>> YEP, YEP.  BUT I WILL GO BACK
TO THE -- 
>>  YES.  
>> THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE LAST
DEPUTANT AROUND TRYING TO 
REPRESENT A BROAD RANGE OF 
DEMOGRAPHICS IN THE CITY OF 
TORONTO.  WHEN THIS WAS FIRST 
BROUGHT FORWARD IN 2016, AND I 
WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR ALL THE 
WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE.  I HAD A
PRETTY SMALL MOTION I WAS 
INTEREST AT THE TIME AT THE 
NIGHT TIME ECONOMY, HOW MUCH 
MONEY IT BRINGS TO THE CITY, 
IT'S REALLY FLOURISHED AND 
EVOLVED OVER THE PAST 3 YEARS, 
BUT I REALLY THINK HAVING A 
CITIZEN MEMBERS MEMBER THROUGH 
AN APPOINTMENT PROCESS WILL 
WORK, CITY COUNCILLOR IN 
PARTICULAR JUST IN THE LAST YEAR
AS OUR WARDS HAVE LIKE INCREASED
AND DOUBLED IN SIZE, I THINK 
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WE 
CAN BE DOING.  I KNOW THERE'S 
SOME CONCERNS OVER NOT HAVING A 
COUNCILOR HAS A NIGHT TIME 
AMBASSADOR, ONCE AGAIN I WILL 
POINT TO AMSTERDAM WHERE THE 
NIGHT TIME AMBASSADOR THERE?   
THE ENTERTAINMENT
DISTRICT ACTUALLY HAS WHAT IS 
CALLED SQUARE HOSTS AND THEY'RE 
APPOINTED TO HELP IN THAT 
PARTICULAR AREA WITH NOISE 
ISSUES, RE LACES BETWEEN CITY 
COUNCIL AND THE NIGHT TIME 
BUSINESSES.  THE NEXT ONE THE 
SECOND MOTION I'M ASKING ABOUT 
IS AROUND THE FUNDING MODEL AS 
WE ALWAYS HAVE ISSUES HERE WITH 
OUR BUDGET AT BUDGET TIME, I'D 
LIKE THE GENERAL MANAGER OF 
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND CULTURE
TO EXPLORE A MODEL OF 50% CITY 
OF TORONTO AND 50% OF THE BUDGET
PROVIDED BY BUSINESSES THAT ARE 
INVOLVED IN THE CITY.  AND THE 
LAST ONE IS AROUND
BUSINESSES AND THE 
ESTABLISHMENTS.  AND ONCE AGAIN 
I'M GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] THE 
NIGHT TIME ENTERTAINMENT VENUES 
ACROSS THE CITY NOT JUST IN THE 
DOWNTOWN CORE, SO I WOULD LIKE 
TO PROPOSE SOMETHING VERY 
SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DO IN 
AMSTERDAM AS THEY HAVE 10 
LICENSED ESTABLISHMENTS, 24 OF 
THEM ACROSS THE CITY, THEY ALSO 
BASE THE LICENSES ARE GIVEN ON 
WHAT OTHER SERVICES THE 
BUILDINGS OFFER SUCH AS AN 
EMPHASIS MULTI DISCIPLINARY 
VENUES FEATURENG BARS, GALLERIES
AND -- AND I KNOW THERE'S ALSO 
SOME CONCERNS AROUND THE POP-UP,
THE POP-UP EVENTS THAT WE HAVE. 
AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I
HEAR OFTEN AT CITY COUNCIL IN MY
COLLEAGUES IS AROUND HAVING 
UNLICENSED VENUES.  AND HOW DO 
WE DEAL WITH UNLICENSED VENUES 
AT NIGHT?  AND I THINK IF WE 
START HAVING THE MORE POP-UP 
ESTABLISHMENTS AROUND THE CITY I
THINK THAT WILL HELP DEAL WITH 
THE UNLICENSED VENUES BRINGING
BRINGING -- BECAUSE I THINK WE 
WANT TO SUPPORT OUR MUSIC 
INDUSTRY.  ONE OF THE QUOTES I 
SAW 2 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS DOING
A LOT OF READING AROUND NIGHT 
TIME MAYORS OR NIGHT TIME 
AMBASSADORS ONE OF THE NIGHT 
TIME MAYORS IN NEW YORK CITY 
ACTUALLY GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF 
STEVE JOBS.  AND HE SAID STEVE 
JOBS BEING AN UNLICENSED
MANUFACTURER IN A GARAGE.  IF 
PROBABLY NEVER WOULD HAVE CAME 
TO FRUITION THAT SOMEBODY SAID 
TO HIM YOU INTO HE HAD A LICENSE
TO RUN A BUSINESS IF YOUR 
GARAGE.  AND I THINK WE NEED TO 
LOOK AT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY A LOT
LIKE THAT.  IF WE'RE GOING TO 
HAVE POP-UP VENUES I THINK THAT 
WILL GO A LONG WAY WITH DEALING 
WITH OUR UNLICENSED 
ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WE 
CONSTANTLY HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT
ACROSS THE CITY.  ONCE AGAIN I 
WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR ALL 
THE WORK THEY'VE PUT IN IN THIS 
REPORT.  MOVING FORWARD I THINK 
THERE'S DEAF NEED FOR NIGHT TIME
AMBASSADOR?  THE CITY OF TORONTO
AND I HOPE EVERYTHING WILL 
SUPPORT THIS REPORT.  THANK YOU.
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR AINSLIE.  WE HAVE 
QUESTIONS OF YOU.  COUNCILLOR 
CARROLL. 
>> SO THE ISSUE OF 24-HOUR 
VENUES, YOU'RE GOING ON --  
YOU'RE SORT OF BUILDING ON A 
RECOMMENDATION IN THE REPORT?  
>> YEAH, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE
THE -- IN THE REPORT THAT 
ACTUALLY SPECIFIED THE NIGHT 
TIME ECONOMY SHOULD BE 6:00 P.M.
TO 6:00 A.M.  
>>  RIGHT.  
>>  AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, 
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SUPPORT A 
6:00 P.M. TO 6:00 A.M. ECONOMY, 
YOU LOOK
AT THE WORKFORCE TALENT 
PARTICULAR I'LL TALK ABOUT 
MILLENNIALMILLENNIALS THAT ARE 
JUST GOING OUT AT MIDNIGHT OR 
1:00 A.M. AND CERTAINLY NOT 
EXCITED ABOUT PACKING IT IN AT 
2:00 A.M. AND I GET A LOT OF 
REPORTS ABOUT UNLICENSED LIQUOR 
ESTABLISHMENTS.  WE DON'T ALWAYS
SEEM TO HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT 
FROM OUR MLS OR POLICE THAT ARE 
AVAILABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT.  SO
I'M USING AMSTERDAM AS AN 
EXAMPLE OF SPREADING THAT ACROSS
THE CITY AND LICENSED.   
>>  RIGHT, RIGHT.  AND IT CAN BE
DONE THERE BECAUSE LIKE WE'RE 
TRYING TO DO HERE, THEY HAVE 
OTHER THAN DOWNTOWN CORE PLACES 
THAT HAVE NOW A NIGHTCAP 
ECONOMY.  BUT LET ME ASK THIS 
QUESTION:  YOU HAVEN'T GOT IN 
THERE A TIME LINE, IT JUST SAYS 
THE INITIAL PHASE, ARE YOU 
LOOKING AT I WANT TO SET A CAP 
BUT I WANT THEM TO TRY THIS BUT 
REPORT BACK BEFORE THEY WOULD 
EVER PROCEED BEYOND THAT? 
>> YEAH, I'D BE VERY HAPPY WITH 
THAT.  SGLFRNS SO IT'S REALLY 
JUST A MATTER OF INTRODUCING 
THAT THEY WOULD HAVE CONTROL OF 
IT, THERE WAS CAP AND SUITABLE 
LOCATIONS GIVES THEM A WHOLE LOT
OF LEEWAY IN TERMS OF
GROUPING IT, YOU'RE LEAVING THEM
WITH A LOT OF CONTROL AND JUST 
TRYING TOA SMALL NUMBER?  
>> CORRECT. 
>>  OKAY.  THANK YOU.  
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.  COUNCILLOR 
AINSLIE, MAY I HAVE
-- MAY I HAVE HAVE A PROBLEM 
WITH YOUR MOTION.  I'M GOING TO 
ASK LEGAL TO COMMENT ON THAT 
BECAUSE I'M AT THE MOMENT GOING 
TO RULE THAT OUT OF ORDER. 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  NO, NO, HAVEN'T MOVED IT 
JUST YET.  I'M GOING TO DO THE 
FOLLOWING AS A SUGGESTION.  THIS
IS ACTUALLY ON THE SCREEN.  SO 
ONE OF TWO THINGS MAYBE TALK 
WITH LEGAL TO SEE WHEN WE CAN 
SORT OF FIND TUNE THE WORDING 
AND TO ALLOW FOR THIS TO BE 
ACCEPTABLE AND ALTHOUGH -- SO 
MAYBE WHAT WE'LL DO IS I'LL TAKE
-- FOR YOU SO AS TO NOW 
INTRODUCE IT SO WEEK WE CAN 
COMMON ON IT.  WHAT I'D LIKE TO 
DO IS I LIKE TO HAVE -- I'M 
GOING TO TAKE CARRIAGE OF THEM. 
SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE LEGAL JUST 
COMMENT ON COUNCILLOR AINSLIE'S 
MOTION C.   
>>  SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT 
MOTION IS THAT IT SEEKS TO 
CREATE A NEW LICENSED CATEGORY 
THAT DOESN'T EXIST.  IN ORDER TO
DO SO, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A 
BYLAW AMENDMENT AND PUBLIC 
NOTICE.  AND I THINK IT MIGHT 
ACTUALLY BE IN A DIFFERENT 
COMMITTEE AS WELL. 
>>  OKAY.  FAIR ENOUGH.   
COUNCILLOR AINSLIE.  
>>  CAN I SWITCH CITY COUNCIL
DIRECT THE GENERAL MANAGER OF 
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CULTURE TO 
REPORT BACK ON.  
>>  COUNCILLOR AINSLIE WHAT I'M 
GOING TO DO SET THIS DOWN GIVE 
YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH 
STAFF TO ADDRESS THE
ISSUE. 
>>  IT'S ABOUT MAKING OPEN 
STREETS AND TIMED ACTIVITY.   
IT'S ABOUT HAVING EVENING 
MARATHONMARATHONS BELIEVE IT OR 
NOT BUT THEY ACTUALLY DO RUN 
THOSE EVENTS FUNDRAISERS AND RUN
--  
AND RUNS RAISING MONEYS FOR 
DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN THE 
EVENING TIME WHEN THERE'S 
VEHICLE MOVEMENT IN THE ROADWAY 
AT ITS MINIMUM.  SO THERE'S 
OPPORTUNITIES TO DO WAY MORE 
THAN JUST DRINK MORE, PARTY 
MORE.  AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT 
I'M SEEING THAT'S COMING OUT OF 
THIS REPORT WHICH I THINK IS 
WHAT'S SPEAKING SO WELL TO ME.  
AND OF COURSE, THERE HAS TO BE 
FOOD.  YOU DON'T HAVE A VIBRANT 
NIGHT TIME ECONOMY ANYWHERE IN 
THE WORLD UNLESS THERE'S AMAZING
DELICIOUS FOOD OFTEN TYPES UNDER
THE OPEN SKIES OFTEN TYPES IN 
THE EVENING.  I SEE COUNCILLOR 
LAI SMILING BECAUSE YOU KNOW I'M
HEADING INTO THE NIGHT MARKETS 
OF ASIA WHICH IS JUST PHENOMENAL
EXPERIENCES.  PEOPLE TRAVEL 
AROUND THE WORLD SPECIFICALLY 
FOR THOSE CULTURAL DEFENDANT 
NATIONS AND I DON'T THINK WE 
HAVE ONE THAT I CAN POINT TO IN 
TORONTO THAT HITS THAT MARK.   
THIS IS WHAT I'D LOVE TO SEE 
COMING OUT OF IT AND OF COURSE 
FOSTERING INDEPENDENT
ENTREPRENEURSHIP BECAUSE THE 
START UP COSTS IS VERY 
PROHIBITED.  AND WE KNOW IF 
WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE 
ENTREPRENEURSHIP OF THE CITY 
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE 
MORE OPPORTUNITIES.  AND IF THAT
MEANS THAT THE OFF HOUR RENTS 
ARE CHEAPER THEN THAT'S WHERE WE
SHOULD BE HEADING.  IF THAT 
MEANS THERE ARE INDUSTRIAL 
SPACES NOT WELL USED IN THE 
EVENING TIME THEN LET'S GO AND 
EXPLORE THOSE.  AND WE HAVE A 
VERY VIBRANT ART AND CULTURE 
MAKING -- IN THE CITY THAT IS 
CROSS DISCIPLINARY BUT I DO 
THINK SOMETIMES WE PLAY IT 
RATHER SAFE WHICH MEANS WE CLOSE
THE DOORS AT 8:00 P.M. AND DON'T
DO MUCH MORE UNLESS IT'S A 
SPECIAL EVENT AND A POP-UP EVEN 
IN OUR MAINSTREAM MULTIMILLION 
DOLLAR INSTITUTIONS.  WE SHOULD 
BE OPENING THOSE DOORS LONGER 
HOURS.  BUT WE ALSO NEED TO IF 
WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THAT HAVE 
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE 
THE SOCIAL SERVICE 
INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING 
TRANSPORTATION, INCLUDING 
ADDITIONAL WASHROOM FACILITIES, 
INCLUDING ALL OF THAT OTHERWISE 
IT JUST WON'T WORK.  BUT I THINK
FUN, FAMILY ORIENTATION AND 
COMMUNITY SAFETY AND VIBRANCY, 
ALL OF THAT FEEDING INTO THE 
HEART OF IT WE'RE OFF TO A GREAT
START.  I SHOULDN'T SAY GREAT 
START BUT GOING TO CONTINUE ONTO
A GREAT OUTCOME.  THANK YOU.  
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.   
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM.  MEMBERS 
WE'RE TAKING THE COMMITTEE.   
FIRST SPEAKER
I HAVE IS COUNCILLOR CRESSY. 
>>  THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND 
THANK YOU STAFF.  NIGHT TIME 
ACTIVITY THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF 
STAFF MEMBERS AND DEPARTMENTS TO
HAVE AN INPUT INTO THE SAY.   
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS REPORT 
BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS 
HOPEFULLY WE WILL ALL 
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A CITY WITHOUT 
CULTURE ISN'T REALLY A CITY.  SO
HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT
WORK?   
[PLEASE STANDBY TECHNICAL 
DIFFICULTIES]
[PLEASE STANDBY TECHNICAL 
DIFFICULTIES]
.  
>>  IT'S THE UNDERLYING ECONOMIC
AFFORDABILITY AROUND CULTURE 
THAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO 
WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND.  FAR TOO 
OFTEN THE ONLY WAY IT'S MADE 
AFFORDABLE IS THROUGH INCREASE 
ALCOHOL SALES, THAT'S WHAT MAKES
IT AFFORDABLE.  THE ONLY WAY YOU
COULD RUN A GOOD SHOW IS IF YOU 
CAN SELL A LOT BEER.  WE NEED TO
CREATE AN ACTIVE AND DYNAMIC 
NIGHT LIFE THAT SUPPORTS A 
MODEL, SURE YOU CAN HAVE A BEER 
BUT ALSO IS PROFITABLE ON ITS 
OWN.  JUST AS WE FIGURED OUT A 
MODEL AROUND CREATIVE HUBS WE 
NEED TO THINK ABOUT THOSE 
ECONOMIC FACTORS AROUND LIFE 
MUSIC AND CULTURE TOO.  SO WITH 
THAT I'M VERY PLEASED TO SUPPORT
THE REPORT IN FRONT OF US.  I'M 
KEEN AND LOOKING FORWARD TO 
STAFF TO EXPEDITE SOME OF THOSE 
REPORTS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO 
TAKING MY MARCHING ORDERS FROM 
MR. TANNER OVER THERE AS WE LOOK
TO EXPEDITE SOME OF THE FACTORS.
>>  COUNCILLOR CARROLL TO SPEAK.
>>  THANKS.  I'M REALLY GLAD TO 
HEAR COUNCILLOR CRESSY'S 
REMARKS, AND HOW WE CHICKENED 
OUT AND DO AS LITTLE.  AND WORRY
ABOUT AFFORDABILITY ABOVE ALL 
ELSE.  I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS 
BEFORE IN THIS COMMITTEE.  ONE 
OF THE MY FAVORITE THINGS
-- ONE OF THE MY FAVORITE THINGS
TO DO WHEN I GO TO NEW YORK 
CITY, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS IF 
I'M THERE FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS
IS VISIT THE BROOKLYN ACADEMY OF
MUSIC, BAM, IT IS INSANE THAT 
AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF HAVING 
A TORONTO ARTS COUNCIL AND 
FOUNDATION AND ALL OF THESE 
ACTIVE VENUES IN THE PRIVATE 
SECTOR WE DON'T HAVE A BAND.  I 
JUST WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO THE 
DESCRIPTION JUST UNDER COMMUNITY
PROGRAMS BAND IS THE HOME OF 
ADVENTURE ARTISTS, AUDIENCES AND
IDEAS.  BAM PLACES A SPECIAL 
EMPHASIS ON ITS COMMITMENT TO 
THE COMMUNITY FROM DISCOUNTED 
TICKET AND TRANSPORTATION FOR 
SPECIAL NEEDS GROUPS TO 
OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL ARTS 
ORGANIZATIONS, WE HAVE ENOUGH OF
THOSE, AND BUSINESSES, BAM IS 
COMMITTED TO STRENGTHENING ITS 
VARIOUS BUSINESSES
AND CULTURAL PARTNERSHIPS.  THE 
CULTURE DISTRICT EXISTS BECAUSE 
THAT HAPPENED.  AND I CAN'T 
BELIEVE THAT WE'VE CLOSED AS 
MANY VENUES AS WE HAVE THAT 
COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN THE HOME 
OF TORONTO'S VERSION OF THIS.  
WE ARE NOT REALIZING THIS 
OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE SHOULD.  I 
SUPPOSE THAT'S WHAT HARBOUR 
FRONT CENTRE WAS MEANT TO BE IN 
THE BEGINNING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T
REALIZED.   
NOW, THAT WE'RE READY AND HAVE 
REALLY ALL OF THE GROUPS THAT 
COULD BE PART OF MAKING THAT 
VENUE THIS, IT'S STILL IN THE 
WRONG PLACE.  IT NEEDS TO BE IN 
THE HEART OF THINGS.  AND 
ACKNOWLEDGING THE NIGHT TIME 
ECONOMY BEGINNING TO FOSTER ALL 
OF THE COMPONENTS WOULD LEAD TO 
SOMEONE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR 
THINKING THIS IS POSSIBLE WITH A
LITTLE BIT OF GOVERNMENT 
PARTNERSHIP.  I DON'T KNOW THAT 
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY 
EVEN YET.  WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT
MUSIC VENUES SAYING OH WE'RE 
JUST DESPERATELY TRYING TO STAY 
PUT, CAN WE PLEASE STAY PUT IN 
THE CORE CENTRAL BUSINESS 
DISTRICT.  BUT WE ALSO HAVE 
AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE NIGHT LIFE
BUT IT'S ALL THE WRONG KIND AND 
THEY NEED OUR HELP TO BROADEN 
IT.  JUST SAYING WHERE THE 
LIQUOR LICENSES GO, DOES NOT 
LEAD TO NIGHT LIFE HEALTH. 
BUMPING IT OUT TO SOME OF THE 
THINGS THAT COUNCILLOR AINSLIE 
JUST DESCRIBED IN THE AMSTERDAM 
STRATEGY IS WHERE YOU GET TO THE
POINT WHERE NIGHT LIFE DOES 
BRING SAFETY TO A COMMUNITY.   
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO 
THIS TYPE OF STRATEGY.  YOU 
ACTUALLY GET A SAFER COMMUNITY 
AS A RESULT OF FUNCTIONING 24 
HOURS A DAY.   
YOU ACTUALLY START TO BUILD IN 
PEOPLE WHO HOLD SOMETHING SACRED
AND AREN'T GOING TO ALLOW IT TO 
DEINVOLVE INTO A PLACE FOR CRIME
TO NOURISH.  WE REALLY NEED TO 
BE BOLD IN THIS STRATEGY.  I 
DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY
WE, CAN'T AFFORD IT ANY MORE.  
AND SOME OF THESE VENUES WE 
MAYBE RUN JOINTLY, MAYBE THE 
POP-UPS NEED BOTH OF US, MAYBE 
THERE IS A FOUNDATION THAT COMES
OUT OF THIS THAT MAKES SURE THIS
SORT OF THINGS HAPPENS.  I THINK
THE STRATEGY THAT WE'VE READ SO 
FAR IS FINE AS LONG AS WE SEE IT
IN ITS BOLDEST POSSIBLE 
DESCRIPTION AND GO FOR IT.  SO 
TO THAT END, I WAS GOING TO MOVE
A MOTION THAT THE AMBASSADOR 
DARN WELL BETTER BE DOWNTOWN 
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH 
NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES, BUT I THINK
WE REALLY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT 
AND MAKE SURE THAT -- MAKE SURE 
THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THOSE, 
DEAL WITH THOSE QUICKLY, 
COUNCILLOR AINSLIE HAS JUST 
SUGGESTED A WAY THAT WE COULD DO
IT, WHICH IS TO ADD AN 
ADDITIONAL ROLE.  YEAH, WE'RE 
GOING TO HAVE A NIGHT TIME 
AMBASSADOR BUT TO HAVE THE --  
THEY'RE CALLED SQUARE THERE, WE 
CAN HAVE AREA THAT WILL MIRROR 
THE EARLY DAYS OF THE FILM BOARD
WHERE YOU HAD A COUNCILLOR WHO 
KNEW THE STUDIO DISTRICT SO THEY
HELPED BREAK LOG JAMS THERE.  A 
LOT OF THE LOG JAMS WERE WITH 
USING SCHOOL SPACES AND I DEALT 
WITH THAT LOG JAM, HAVING SOME 
AREA HOST THAT SUPPORT THE NIGHT
TIME AMBASSADOR SO HE'S GOT 
ADDITIONAL VOICE TO RESOLVE 
ISSUES AND BE ABLE TO THINK BIG,
A BAM STYLE OF BIG I THINK IS 
SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT 
BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL TO FLESH
THIS OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT 
REALLY WORKS AND IT IS ABLE TO 
MAKE BIG MOVES FROM THE GET-GO. 
>>  THANK YOU.  
>>  THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.   
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  ANY 
FURTHER SPEAKERS?   
COUNCILLOR LAI.   
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 
CHAIR.  FIRST OF ALL, I NEED TO 
THANK STAFF.  I THINK THIS 
REPORT IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND
I'VE LOOKED AT THE HISTORY OF 
THIS WHOLE
DECISION.  I THINK IT'S FROM 
2016, WAS WAY BEFORE MY TIME, 
AND I THINK WHEN I CAME HERE I 
THOUGHT THIS IS MY FIRST TERM 
AND I THINK IT'S A VERY, VERY 
GOOD IDEA.  BECAUSE AS TORONTO 
IS BECOMING AN INTERNATIONAL 
CITY, AND I CAME FROM A PLACE 
THAT HAVE -- AND I VISITED AREAS
THAT HAVE A LOT OF NIGHT LIFE 
CITIES, PLACE LIKE HONG KONG AND
PLACES LIKE TAIWAN, THEY HAVE A 
NIGHT MARKET, THE TRANSIT WAS 
PACKED WITH PEOPLE LIKE 
SATELLITE AND RADAR
DENIES.  12 MIDNIGHT AND PACKED 
WITH PEOPLE.  I'M VERY EXCITED 
IS THAT TORONTO IS GOING TO BE 
SPEARHEADING THIS NIGHT ECONOMY.
AS I READ THE REPORT ON PAGE 6 
OF THE REPORT AND THIS SAYS 
ABOUT
HOW NEW YORK CITY'S NIGHT 
ECONOMY HAVE ECONOMIC OUTPUT OF 
199 BILLION U.S. AND WITH 8 
POINT -- 8.6 MILLION PEOPLE AND 
WITH TORONTO AND THE ECONOMIC 
OUTPUT OF ABOUT 6.1 BILLION, YOU
KNOW, PUT THAT INTO THE 
EQUATION.  AND I THINK THE NIGHT
LIFE REALLY WILL ENHANCE OUR 
CITY'S INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION 
LIKE THE REPORT SAYS HERE.  AND 
IT WILL INCREASE TOURISM BECAUSE
IT WILL BECOME AN ATTRACTION AND
BECOME A DESTINATION FOR 
TOURISTS.  AND I REALLY, REALLY 
THINK THAT IS A VERY GOOD IDEA. 
AND I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF 
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 5 THAT WE 
ACTUALLY NEED TO LOOK INTO SOME 
AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN 
CORE IN SOME OF THOSE BIG MARKET
LIFE BUSINESSES THEY ALWAYS 
OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN CORE.  
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.  I 
THINK I'M VERY HAPPY SITTING ON 
THE TORONTO --  
BOARD THAT WE ARE FINALLY 
ACTUALLY APPROVED SOME 
ELIMINATION ATTRACTION THAT IS 
HAPPENING IN THE FALL OF THIS 
YEAR, AND IT WILL BE A GOOD 
START.  AND ALSO WITH THAT IN 
MIND, I THINK
THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS A 
KEY, I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR 
THOMPSON ON THAT, BECAUSE WE 
SHOULD HAVE PERHAPS WORK BETTER 
WITH TTC, MAYBE THEY CAN 
DESIGNATE SOME SPECIAL BUSSES 
ROUTE TO GO TO THE NIGHT MARKET 
AND I THINK WE NEED TO WORK WITH
THE TTC ON THAT.  AND IN TERMS 
OF
FINANCIAL AND FUNDING MODEL, I 
DON'T KNOW HOW SOME OF THE 
CITIES BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN 
DOING ALL THIS RESEARCH, I THINK
IF WE CAN PUBLICALLY DO IT IN 
TERMS OF GRANTS I DON'T KNOW 
WHETHER IT WOULD BE A GOOD START
BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WE JUST 
KIND STARTING UP SOMETHING THAT 
IS -- WE NEED TO THINK AND HOW 
WE SHOULD DO THE FUNDING.  AND 
I'M SURE THAT BUSINESSES WILL --
WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT AS 
WELL.  AND I LIKE TO -- 
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM SAYING THAT 
WE NEED TO ADD FOOD TO IT 
BECAUSE WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO
ACTUALLY SHOWCASE OUR CULTURAL
VIBRANCY OF THE CITY AND VERY 
IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT.  AND 
AS ONE OF THE DEPUTANTS, YOU 
KNOW, WE WANTED TO BE VERY 
DIVERSE AN INCLUSIVE AND MAKE 
SURE WE REFLECT THE CULTURE OF 
THE TORONTO.  AND JUST ONE LAST 
THING I WANTED TO -- I WON'T -- 
I WON'T BE ABLE -- I WON'T BE 
SUPPORTING COUNCILLOR AINSLIE'S 
MOTION BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A
TEAM OF STAFF IN ECONOMIC 
DEVELOPMENT TO DO THAT.  AND ASS
IGNING THAT PERSON OUTSIDE OF 
THE COUNCIL, I THINK WOULD 
PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT OF 
DIFFICULT IN CASE THEY DON'T, 
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S
GOING ON WITHIN COUNCIL AND THEN
IF WE LIKE CREATE ANOTHER 
DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T 
KNOW HOW MANY STAFF CAN BE 
ASSIGNED TO THAT PERSON BUT I 
THINK IT WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE 
SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING 
COUNCILLOR AINSLIE'S MOTION.   
THANK YOU.  
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR LAI.  NO FURTHER 
SPEAKERS.  I'M JUST GOING TO 
SPEAK.  I'LL MOVE THE MOTIONS 
THAT COUNCILLOR AINSLIE HAS PUT 
FORWARD.   
I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING ANY OF 
THEM.   
I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO VISIT A 
NUMBER OF CITIES AROUND THE 
GLOBE WHERE THE NIGHT ECONOMY IS
STRONG.  I ACTUALLY WENT TO 
AMSTERDAM TO MEET WITH MAYOR -- 
AND I ALSO CAME HERE AS WELL AND
WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH 
OUR STAFF.  AND HAVE A CHANCE TO
SEE HOW THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED 
THEIR PROCESS IN MILAN.  I'VE 
LOOKED TO NEW YORK, I'VE LOOKED 
AT OTHER PLACES AND
THE PARIS MODEL I THINK MIRRORS 
US MUCH, MUCH
TO THE WHAT I THINK THE 
SIMILARITIES IN TERMS OF OUR 
RESPECTIVE CITIES AND SO ON.   
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT TORONTO IS
A GLOBAL CITY.  WHAT WE NEED TO 
DO THOUGH IS THAT WE HAVE TO 
START ACTING LIKE ONE.  NOT JUST
TO SAY THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE 
PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD
WHO COME HERE.  WE HAVE PEOPLE 
COME FOR BUSINESS, FOR TOURISM, 
FOR EDUCATION AND SO ON.  AND I 
THINK THERE IS A ECONOMIC CASE 
TO BE MADE
FOR THE NIGHT ECONOMY.  WHAT 
NEEDS TO HAPPEN IT HAS TO BE 
COORDINATED, IT HAS TO BE REALLY
FOCUSED, PURPOSEFUL AND ADDRESS 
MANY OF THE ELEMENTS OR CATEGORY
OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE
THAT WE NOT ONLY UNDERSTAND, BUT
WE ACTUALLY PUT A MECHANISM IN 
THE SYSTEM IN MACE THAT ACTUALLY
ALLOWS FOR GOVERNANCE, PROCESS 
TO SAY WORK AND SO ON.  THIS 
REPORT AND TO LEND MY VOICE IN 
ACKNOWLEDGING AND THANKING STAFF
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE 
COMING.  AND IT IS HERE.  I 
DON'T WANT TO MICROMANAGE THIS 
PARTICULAR PROCESS.  I WANT TO 
HAVE STAFF TO HAVE MORE FREE 
REIGN AND IN TERMS OF BRINGING 
FORWARD TO US IDEAS AND ELEMENTS
THAT WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER.   
WHEN I WAS IN AMSTERDAM AND 
HAVING SPENT A GOOD SUNDAY 
AFTERNOON MEETING
WITH -- THERE IS -- AT HIS 
OFFICE.  I LEARNED ABOUT THE 
CHALLENGES THAT THEY'VE HAD WITH
THE
SYSTEM AND IT'S -- NO SYSTEM IS 
PERFECT.   
BUT I THINK BASED ON THE 
COMPLEXITY OF OUR SYSTEM HERE, 
THERE IS A NEED FOR SOMEONE 
THAT'S INTERNAL TO GUIDE AND 
PROVIDE THE GUIDING HAND AND/OR 
DIRECTION TO HELP THIS
PROCESS TO REALLY GET OFF THE 
GROUND AND SOLIDIFY ITSELF AND 
SO ON IN TERMS OF GOING FORWARD.
THIS IS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO
IT.   
THIS IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAS
TO BE DONE.  I THINK THE TRANSIT
PIECE WHILE IT'S BEING 
CONSIDERED IT REALLY HAS TO BE
NOT JUST SIMPLY CONSIDERED, WE 
HAVE TO FUND IT.  BECAUSE THIS 
IS GOING TO BE FUNDING 
REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TTC TO
REALLY ADDRESS THE NEED.  WE'RE 
TRYING TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO 
TAKE TRANSIT DURING THE DAYTIME,
WE WANT TO DO THAT IN THE NIGHT 
TIME AS WELL.  AND SO WE WANT TO
ADDRESS THIS.  THIS IS NO DOUBT 
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF 
ACTIVITY IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE, 
BUT LIKE MANY OTHER THINGS THAT 
WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO IN 
THE CITY, WE WANT TO EXPAND THE 
REACH SO IT'S NOT JUST 
CONCENTRATED IN SORT OF THE, YOU
KNOW, THE HUB AREA.  IT'S --  
PROCESS WHERE IT EXPANDS TO 
SCARBOROUGH AND NORTH YORK AND 
BEYOND AND SO ON AND SO THAT 
EVERYONE CAN SHARE IN THE 
OPPORTUNITY AND NOT EVERYONE 
WILL HAVE TO MAKE THIS WAY 
DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF THE NIGHT 
ECONOMY.  AND I REALIZE THAT 
DURING THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS 
THAT WE'VE HAD ON THIS ISSUE 
MANY RESIDENTS CAME FORWARD AND 
1345I7BD THAT -- THIS CONCERN 
ABOUT POTENTIAL NOISE AND IMPACT
TO THEIR COMMUNITY DISRUPTION OF
SLEEP AND A VARIETY OF OTHER 
THINGS AND SO ON.  SO MANY OF 
THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN 
CONSIDERED, HOWEVER, LIKE 
EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAVE TO 
CONTINUE TO YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON 
LISTENING AND RESPONDING AND 
MEASURING THINGS AS WE GO ALONG.
SO IT'S NOT TO SUGGEST THAT THIS
REPORT IS THE
FINAL ELEMENT OF THE 
INTRODUCTION OF THE NIGHT 
ECONOMY.  WE WILL CONTINUE TO 
WORK AND REFINE THE PROCESSES AS
THE CASE IN MANY OTHER CITIES 
AROUND THE WORLD.  SO AS I SAID,
I AM NOT GOING TO BE
SUPPORTING THE MOTIONS IN FRONT 
OF US AND THOSE ARE THE MOTION 
THAT WE HAVE AND WE WILL THEN 
TAKE THOSE 2.  BUT I WILL MOVE 
THEM FOR COUNCILLOR AINSLIE.  
NO, I'VE INDICATED I'VE MOVING 
THEM.   
MADAM CLERK DO YOU WANT TO START
WITH NUMBER 1, OR A, I GUESS?   
ALL RIGHT.  SO MOTION A AND 
WE'LL ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTE ON
ME, MADAM
CLERK. 
>>  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOTION
A? 
>>  OKAY.  READY TO GO.  MADAM 
CLERK.   
>>  OKAY.  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF
MOTION A.  ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO 
MOTION A.  COUNCILLOR CARROLL, 
COUNCILLOR CRESSY, COUNCILLOR 
GRIMES, COUNCILLOR THOMPSON, 
COUNCILLOR FORD, AND COUNCILLOR 
LAI.  THE MOTION FAILS. 
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOTION B? 
IN FAVOR, COUNCILLOR
FORD.  ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO 
MOTION B?   
COUNCILLOR CARROLL, COUNCILLOR 
CRESSY, GARDINER GRIMES, 
COUNCILLOR THOMPSON AND 
COUNCILLOR LAI.  THE MOTION 
FAILS. 
>> AND WE HAVE C. 
>> 
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOTION C? 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.  ALL THOSE 
OPPOSED TO MOTION C?  COUNCILLOR
CRESSY, COUNCILLOR GRIMES, 
COUNCILLOR THOMPSON, COUNCILLOR 
FORD AND COUNCILLOR LAI.  MOTION
DOES NOT CARRY. 
>>  OKAY.  THANK YOU.   
MADAM CLERK, WE ARE -- 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>> SORRY.  THERE'S NO AMENDMENT 
TO THE ITEM.  SO ON THE ITEM ALL
THOSE IN FAVOR?  OPPOSED?   
THAT'S CARRIED.  THANK YOU.   
MADAM CLERK WE'RE NOW MOVING TO 
ITEM EC6 POINT
I HAVE INDICATED EARLIER THAT I 
WILL NOT BE HERE AFTER LUNCH.  
WE'VE GOT ABOUT -- 
YES, 16 MINUTES TO BREAK.  WE'RE
GOING TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH IN 
WHICH IS ITEM 6.13, TORONTO'S 
ACTION PLAN ON CONFRONTING 
ANTI-BLACK RACISM THIS IS AN 
UPDATE.  WE HAVE SPEAKERS.  BUT 
JUST BEFORE WE GET TO THAT ITEM,
MEMBERS, EC6.23, WHICH WAS THE 
SUPPORTING 3 SIGNIFICANT EVENTS 
IN TORONTO 2019, MEMBERS HAVE 
READ THAT, COUNCILLOR FORD HAD 
QUESTIONS AND THOSE QUESTIONS 
HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.  AND 
COUNCILLOR FORD IS IN THE 
AFFIRMATIVE IN TERMS OF 
SUPPORTING WHAT'S IN FRONT OF 
US.  I ASK OF YOU IS THERE ANY 
FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS?  
COUNCILLOR CARROLL, DID YOU HAVE
A QUICK -- IS IT QUICK?  
>> IT'S VERY QUICK.  
>>  OKAY  
>> I JUST ASK AS WE SUPPORT 
EVENTS IF WE'RE ADDING 
SUPPORTING EVENTS, IF WE START 
TO LOOK AT ACTUALLY FIGURING OUT
WHETHER OR NOT ECONOMIC 
DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEES ARE --  
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE 
MEMBERS SHOULD ATTEND SAID 
EVENTS, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE 
THAT WE ARRANGE IT.   
>>  YES.  
>>  I WISH I HAD A NICKEL FOR 
EVERY PERSON WHO ASKED ME WHY I 
WASN'T AT COLLISION.  YEAH.  AND
I PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.  
THAT'S MY POINT.  IF WE'RE GOING
TO ENDORSE. 
>>  [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS].  
>>  IF IT'S REASONABLE THAT WE 
ATTEND WE SHOULD.  
>> DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT? 
>> I FOUND IN COLLISION WE DID 
OFFER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL 
TICKETS. 
>>  THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT AS 
WELL.  
>>  NOPE.   
>>  FOR SOME STRANGE REASON 
DIDN'T GET TO COUNCILLOR CARROLL
AND DIDN'T GET TO COUNCILLOR LAI
LAI.  
>>  I WILL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR
ALL COUNCILLORS TO UNDERSTAND 
HOW BEST TO GET TO THE OFFICE.  
>>  YES, THAT'S GREAT.  
>>  OKAY.  ARE WE GOOD 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL?  
>> YES.   
>>  OKAY SO ON THE ITEM ALL 
THOSE IN FAVOR?  OPPOSED?   
THAT'S CARRIED, THANK YOU.  
>>  6.9 I HAD HELD.   
>>  YES.  
>>  WHICH IS BEFORE 6.13.  I'M 
HAPPY TO RELEASE IT.  I'VE HAD 
MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED. 
>>  OKAY.  FAIR ENOUGH.  
MEMBERS, COUNCILLOR CRESSY IS 
HAPPY TO RELEASE 6.9 WHICH IS 
THE 2020 SHELTER INFRASTRUCTURE 
PLAN AND SYSTEM UPDATE REPORT.  
ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR
CONCERNS?  OKAY.  SO ON THE ALL 
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?  OPPOSED?   
THAT'S CARRIED.  OKAY.  6.9 IS 
DEALT WITH.  
>>  AND MR. CHAIR, SORRY, JUST I
HAD HELD 6.17.  
>> YES.  
>>  WHICH I HAD A TECHNICAL 
AMENDMENT FROM STAFF THEY ASKED 
ME TO MOVE.  I'D BE HAPPY TO 
MOVE THAT AND RELEASE IT SO THEY
DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AFTER 
LUNCH.   
>>  ABSOLUTELY.  DO WE HAVE THAT
MOTION?  WE'RE JUST CHECKING TO 
SEE IF WE HAVE THAT WRITTEN, 
COUNCILLOR. 
>>  6.17 FOR THE CLERKS DOWNTOWN
WEST. 
>>  THEY DON'T HAVE IT READY.   
SO WE'LL GET THAT DONE AND 
RELEASE IT, VICE CHAIR GRIMES 
CAN DO THAT AS A QUICK ITEM.   
OKAY.  SO WE ARE GOING TO GO TO 
NOW EC6.13.  AS I SAID I WILL 
NOT BE BACK AFTER LUNCH.  BUT 
VICE CHAIR GRIMES WILL BE ABLE 
TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.  I DO 
HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS.  AND 
I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS FIRST 3 
SPEAKERS'S NAME. 
SENTENCED SIR, ARE YOU -- 
>> [OFF MIC].  
>>  FANTASTIC.  PLEASE COME 
FORWARD, SIR AND YOU HAVE 3 
MINUTES TO SPEAK -- I'M SORRY, 5
MINUTES TO SPEAK.  5 MINUTES TO 
SPEAK, SIR.  THANK YOU.  
>>  OKAY.  THANK YOU CHAIRMEN 
AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.  I'M THE 
DIRECTOR FOR THE ADVISEMENT OF 
BLACK COMMUNITIES WHICH IS AN 
ORGANIZATION CREATED
-- YORK UNIVERSITY -- CHAIR IN 
EDUCATION AND ASK -- WE WORK 
WITH ABOUT 70 ORGANIZATIONS IN 
ONTARIO FROM
WINDSOR -- OUR MANDATE IS TO 
PROVIDE CONVENIENT MOBILIZATION 
SERVICE COORDINATION AND 
BUILDING SYSTEMS CHANGE SUPPORT 
TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE 
WORKING WITH BLACK CHILDREN, 
YOUTH AND FAMILIES.  THERE ARE 
AREAS OF INTEREST A THAT WE HAVE
IN TERMS OUR MANDATE WORKING IN 
ORGANIZATIONS THAT IS PROMOTING 
POST SECONDARY -- AND CREATING 
-- INCREASING THE GRADUATION
RATES.   
AND ALSO WORKING ON ISSUES OF 
WELL-BEING AND HEALTH.  LIKE 
DEDEPLOY AN ANTI-BLACK RACISM 
LENS AND IDENTITY LENS IN THE 
WORK THAT WE DO.  I'M ALSO A 
MEMBER OF THE PARTNERSHIP AND 
ACCOUNTABILITY CIRCLE THAT'S 
PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF 
THE PLAN.  MY COLLEAGUES THAT 
ARE HERE THEY WILL SPEAK TO THE 
INDEPENDENT REPORT THAT IS PART 
OF YOUR PACKAGE.  WHAT I WOULD 
LIKE TO DO IS FOCUS ON A COUPLE 
OF THINGS IN MY DEPUTATION 
TODAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE -- BY 
START BY ACKNOWLEDGING 
LEADERSHIP OF THE STAFF OF THE 
ANTI-BLACK RACISM UNITY OF THE 
CITY.  THE TEAM HAVE DONE AN 
AMAZING JOB OVER THE COURSE OF 
THE FIRST YEAR IMPLEMENTATION OF
THIS 5-YEAR PLAN TO CREATE A 
PATHWAY FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF 
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE -- 
WAS IN THE PLAN.   
I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE 
LEADERSHIP OF CITY COUNCIL AND 
THE MAYOR AND THE CITY 
LEADERSHIP IN SOLE DEVELOPMENT 
IN ACTUALLY FACILITATING AND 
SUPPORTING THE WORK OF THE 
CONFRONT ANTI-BLACK RACISM UNIT.
I FEEL WE ARE AT A -- MOMENT 
HERE IN THE CITY IN THE CONTEXT 
OF REALLY CREATING A PARTNERSHIP
PARTNERSHIP.  VERY LONG-STANDING
ISSUES THAT OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE
BEEN FACING FOR THE LONGEST.  I 
THINK THE 2020 RECOMMENDATION 
AND ACTIONS IN THE PLAN CREATE A
PATHWAY FOR REALLY ADDRESSING 
THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE BEEN 
FACING FOR THE LONGEST.  I THINK
THE DECISION TO CREATE THE 
ANTI-BLACK RACISM UNIT IN THE 
CITY WAS SMART AND STRATEGIC 
BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES FOR THE 
COMMUNITIES IT CREATES A --  
COMPONENT WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF
THAT BECOMES AS EVIDENT IN THIS 
AREA A CATALYST AND ENABLER, A 
CONNECTOR, IF YOU WANT USING 
THIS HUGE ECOSYSTEM THAT WE HAVE
OF DIFFERENT PLAYERS IN THE CITY
WHERE THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS 
OF GOVERNMENT, THE CITY 
STRUCTURES, ITSELF, BUSINESS, ET
CETERA, IN TERMS OF WORKING 
TOGETHER TO CREATE THE 
CONDITIONS FOR IMPLEMENTING THE 
RECOMMENDATIONS.  AND WHAT I 
WOULD LIKE TO
REALLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY IS TO 
PAY ATTENTION TO THE NATURE OF 
THIS TRANSFORMATION, THAT THIS 
IS NOT, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT, 
THIS IS NOT AN INITIATIVE, THIS 
IS NOT A PROBLEM.  WE'RE 
ENTERING THE TRANSFORMATION 
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BLACK 
COMMUNITIES AND THE CITY, AND I 
THINK THE RECOMMENDATION AND 
ACTIONS ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT
IN CREATING THOSE CONDITIONS FOR
CHANGE.  SO WE NEED TO -- 
LEADERSHIP, SUSTAIN IT, ENGAGE 
IT OVER THE COURSE OF THESE FIVE
YEARS AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE 
THAT SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT WHERE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES
ARE IMPORTANT AT THE END OF THE 
DAY WE NEED TO -- 
TRANSFORMATION.   
FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND 
EXPERIENCE OF MANY IN THE CITY 
REQUIRE COLLABORATIVE SOLUTIONS.
WHETHER IT BE ON PROGRAMS AND 
SERVICES, PROGRAM AND SERVICES 
ARE IMPORTANT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
FOR IS ACTUALLY CHANGING POLICY,
STRUCTURAL INTERVENTIONS THAT'S 
WHY THE ROLE AS A UNIT BECOMES 
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.  WHAT I 
WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE IS TO 
ACTUALLY CONTINUE SUPPORTING THE
MOST SENIOR LEVEL HERE IN THE 
CITY FOR THESE -- OF THIS
UNIT.  
 -- IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US 
TO BE ABLE TO -- 
>>  SIR, THIS IS YOUR LAST 
SENTENCE.  
>>  YES.  TO BE ABLE TO REALLY
SUPPORT THE -- SO AT THE END OF 
THE DAY I THINK WE CANNOT HAVE A
VIBRANT INCLUSIVE -- 
>>  THANK YOU, SIR.  
>>  -- 
>>  THANK YOU.  
>>  THANK YOU.  THIS MIGHT BE 
QUESTIONS OF YOU SO JUST STAY.  
VISITING COUNCILLORS FIRST IF 
THERE ARE ANY.  NONE.   
COUNCILLOR CARROLL HAS QUESTIONS
FOR YOU, SIR.  
>>  YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 
EXTENDING OR REALLY NEED THIS TO
BE A PERMANENT UNIT? 
>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.  
I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 
PERMANENT RELATIONSHIP HERE 
BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE THAT WE 
HAVE ARE LONG-STANDING.  
>> YEAH.  
>>  AND I THINK THE UNIT 
REQUIRED SYSTEM LEVEL SUPPORTED 
FROM THE MY COUNCIL TO CONTINUE.
>>  THANK YOU.  
>>  THANK YOU, SIR.  THERE ARE 
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OF YOU, 
SIR.  ALL RIGHT OUR NEXT SPEAKER
IS --
SO THERE ARE 2 OF YOU.  
>> YEAH.  
>>  RIGHT BEHIND ME, I THINK. 
>> OKAY.  I SEE.  PARDON ME? 
>> PROFESSOR WESLEY. 
>>  OKAY.  ALL RIGHT.  THANK 
YOU.  ALL RIGHT.  SO YOU MAY 
BEGIN. 
>>  SO BOTH OF US ARE HERE JUST 
TO TOUCH PRIMARILY ON WHAT 
PACKET LOOKS LIKE AND THE REPORT
THAT WE WROTE IN CONFRONTING 
ANTI-BLACK RACISM.  AND I'LL 
TOUCH BASICALLY
ON 3 CATEGORIES. 
IMPROVING CUSTOMER SERVICE AND 
INVESTING IN CHILDREN AND YOUTH 
AND PROFESSOR
-- [INAUDIBLE] SO MY EXPERIENCE 
IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR SINCE 
PACK CAME TOGETHER AND PACK IS 
MANDATED BY THE CITY ACTION AND 
THE PROMISE IS TO REALLY GUIDE 
AND SUPPORT CONFRONTING 
ANTI-BLACK RACISM AND THE WORK 
THAT IT DOES WITHIN THE CITY OF 
TORONTO AND ADDRESSING THE NEED 
AND THE RECOMMENDATION
FOR -- IN CITY OF TORONTO.  SO I
WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE FACT 
THAT
WE IDEALLY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO 
THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE NOT 
ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITY COUNCIL 
BUT ACCOUNTABLE TO THE BLACK 
COMMUNITY AND THAT COMES WITH AN
ACTION ENABLE PLAN THAT CAN BE 
PRODUCED THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO 
THE AND SAY THESE ARE THE 
CHANGES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE 
AND THE WORK THAT WE ARE DOING. 
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED
TO ADDRESS IS CREATING CULTURAL 
CHANGE AND THE CITY.  A SIMPLE 
EXAMPLE IS ACCESSING CITY HALL 
COMING IN AS A BLACK PERSON IN 
THE CITY HALL AND GOING THROUGH 
SECURITY.  AND THE WAY IN WHICH 
THAT AS A BLACK PERSON
SPECIFICALLY BLACK YOUTH, A LOT 
OF TIME OVER POLICED, OVER 
SURVEILLED.  SO THE EXPERIENCE 
OF ACCESSING CITY HALL IT IS IS 
A FORM OF BARRIERS.  SO MANY 
BARRIERS WE GO THROUGH ON A 
DAILY BASIS.  WHAT DOES CULTURAL
CHANGE AT THE CITY LEVEL LOOK 
LIKE?  WHETHER YOU'RE WALKING 
INTO A BUILDING, HAPPEN TO BE A 
STAFF OR VOLUNTEER OR MEMBER IN 
OUR CASE.  WE DID A REPORT AND 
I'M HOPING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE 
THAT REPORT AND THE FEEDBACK AND
RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MADE.   
ANOTHER AREA OF SUPPORT WE WANT 
TO LOOK AT IS PARTNERSHIP WITH 
PROVIDING TRAINING AND FOR CITY
STAFF AS WELL AS POLICE, FINALLY
THE POLICE AGREED TO HAVE A 
COMMITTEE THAT WE -- THAT 
ACTUALLY DIRECTLY AND SOCIALLY 
ADDRESS ANTI-BLACK RACISM.  I'M 
HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE WILL HAVE 
OUR UPCOMING MEETING WITH THE 
COMMITTEE WITHIN TORONTO POLICE 
SERVICES IN JULY, 5TH.  SO, 
YEAH, I THINK THAT IS PRETTY 
MUCH WHAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON. 
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  
>>  IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS 
YOU CAN ASK. 
>> THANK YOU, ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS. ?  OKAY FAIR ENOUGH. 
>>  THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.  GOOD 
MORNING.  THANK YOU FOR GIVING 
US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO 
THE REPORT AND SPEAK TO THE WORK
THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTING IN THE 
CITY.  IT'S BEEN AN HONOR 
WORKING
WITH CITY -- I HAD LIKE TO 
STRESS THAT IN DOING THIS WORK 
WE NEED MORE THAN AN ACTION 
PLAN, WE NEED MORE THAN A PLAN, 
WE NEED A SOLID PLAN.  WE NEED A
PLAN IN WHICH I THINK ALL THE 
ISSUES WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN THE 
COMMUNITY STARTING FROM ISSUES 
FOUND WITHIN IN PARTICULAR ROOTS
VIOLENCE REPORT WHICH STRESSES 
THE IMPORTANCE OF 4 LEVELS OF 
GOVERNMENT WORKING TOGETHER.   
WHERE THOSE REPORTS DO FALL 
SHORT IS THEY DON'T SPEAK ABOUT 
CREATING RESEARCH DATA BANK 
WHERE WE CAN CREATE EVIDENCE 
BASED DATA THAT IS SPECIFIC TO 
THE BLACK
COMMUNITY.  --  
[INAUDIBLE] YOU WILL NOT DO SUCH
WORK WITH INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES
IF YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH 
INDIGENOUS ISSUES, YOU WOULD -- 
ONE OF THE THINGS WE FIND WITH 
THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS OFTEN 
WE'RE GIVEN THIS WORK TO DO AND 
SUPERVISED BY FOLKS WHO ARE NOT 
FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR THE MOST 
PART.  I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR 
HIRING SOMEBODY LIKE -- BUT I 
HAD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT ONE OF 
THE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS 
THE CREATION RESEARCH MONEY FOR 
RESEARCH FOR THE LARGER 
COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE CAN --  
CREATE EVIDENCE-BASED.   
EVIDENCE-BASED IS CRITICALLY 
ASKED UPON EVERY TIME WE DO WORK
IN THE COMMUNITY.  WHERE IS YOUR
DATA, HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE?   
WELL, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY 
HERE NOW WITH THE CITY UNDER THE
-- UNDERSTOOD THE SUPERVISION
OF -- WHOSE WORK I HIGHLY 
RESPECT AND OTHERS, THAT WE CAN 
NOW DO SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN 
CREATE
PARTNERSHIPS WHERE ANYBODY 
RECEIVING FUNDING FROM THE CITY 
SHOULD HAVE A PLAN, AN ACTION 
PLAN AS PART OF THE FUNDING 
REQUIREMENTS, ONE.  2, THAT 
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BLACK 
INSTITUTIONS SLASH -- WHO WOULD 
BE WILLING TO HELP CREATE DATA 
BANK AND CREATE THE KIND OF 
EVIDENCE THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE 
COMPLEXITY OF ISSUES THAT WE 
FIND IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY 
DEALING WITH ISSUES OF VIOLENCE 
AND OVER-POLICING.  THE ISSUE OF
COMING INTO THE CITY THAT WAS 
SPOKEN ABOUT BY MY COLLEAGUE 
EARLIER IS ONE WE CAN ADDRESS --
[INAUDIBLE]
OVERALL I THINK THE 
RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN REPORT 
ESTABLISHED A SOLID STARTING 
POINT IN WHICH WE CAN BEGIN TO 
ESTABLISH CROSS SECONDER 
PARTNERS FOR BLACK YOUTH 
ENSURING COMMON GOALS AND EXPAND
ON BEST PRACTICES ALREADY IN THE
LOCAL COMMUNITY.  THE WORK THAT 
-- HAS DONE AROUND WORKING WITH 
BLACK YOUTH WHO HAVE CRIMINAL 
RECORDS NEED TO TAKE THAT ONE 
STEP FURTHER AND CREATE PILOT 
PROJECTS WITH PRIVATE AGENCIES 
AND PRIVATE GOVERNMENT HIRING 
BLACK YOUTH WITH CRIMINAL 
RECORDS AND NOT JUST SIMPLY 
THROUGH PROJECT FUNDING.  IT 
DOES NOT GO VERY FAR.  THIS 
AGGREGATED DATA IS ESSENTIAL FOR
THE KIND OF WORK WE ARE DOING 
HERE AND NOT JUST ON RACE BUT ON
SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND ON 
GENDER.  I WANT TO SAY IT'S BEEN
GREAT -- [INAUDIBLE]
.  
>>  THANK YOU, SIR.  
>> POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>  DEPUTY VICE CHAIR  
>> I'LL MOVE A MOTION TO FINISH 
WITH THIS DEPUTANT AT 12:30 IN 
CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS I MOVE WE
FINISH WITH THE DEPUTANT.  
>>  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?  
OPPOSED?  THAT'S CARRIED.  THANK
YOU.  
>>  COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM. 
>>  WITH RESPECT TO YOUR COMMENT
ABOUT
HIRING YOUTH -- CAN YOU 
ELABORATE ON WHAT THAT MIGHT 
LOOK
LIKE?  
>> PRIVATE SECONDER WOULD 
PARTNER WITH COMMUNITY AGENCIES 
AND WE WOULD DELIBERATELY
--  
MENTOR THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS 
SO THEY CAN DEVELOP THIS
SKILLS. 
MEANINGFUL EMPLOYMENT, OFTEN 
MANY BLACK YOUTH WHO ARE INN CAR
RATED IS A BEEN DENIED AN 
EDUCATION.  [INAUDIBLE]
WE HAVE NOT DONE IT YET BUT WE 
HAVE SO FAR ADDRESSED THE 
QUESTION AND I THINK A 
RESOLUTION TO DO SO.  NOW, IT'S 
TAKEN THAT FURTHER NOW AND 
GETTING PRIVATE SECTOR TO BUY 
INTO THAT AND GOVERNMENT. 
>>  OKAY.  BECAUSE THE 
RECOMMENDATION THAT'S CONTAINED 
IN THE REPORT SPECIFICALLY TALK 
ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF THE 
BARRIERS AND TO ENSURE THAT WE 
CAN -- WE CAN WORK WITH 
DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES INCLUDING 
ORGANIZATIONS THAT HIRE YOUTHS 
TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN JUST SORT 
OF REMOVE BARRIERS.  WHAT YOU'RE
SAY SOMETHING ACTUALLY GO OUT 
THIS, DEMONSTRATE THAT IT CAN 
WORK MEASURE THE OUTCOME. 
>> OUTCOME.  
>>  AND MAKE SURE THAT IT 
DOESN'T JUST BECOME ALMOST LIKE 
JUST A RUBBER STAMP -- 
>>  PROJECT.  
>> YEAH, IT'S A PROJECT.  
>>  [MULTIPLE SPEAKERS].  
>>  THANK YOU.  I JUST WANTED TO
CLARIFY 7:WITH RESPECT TO THE 
ROOTS VIOLENCE, DO THIS REPORT 
HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT ENDLESSLY 
AT CITY HALL WE'VE TALKED ABOUT 
YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ADDRESS AND 
INVEST IN THE YOUTH EX WITTY 
STRATEGY AND SPECIFICALLY INTO 
MAKING SURE THAT YOUNG BLACK 
PEOPLE SEE THEMSELVES REFLECTED 
IN CIVIL SOCIETY THAT THEY'LL BE
TREATED FAIRLY WHEN THEY WALK 
THROUGH THESE SPECIFIC DOORS 
WHICH IS SPOKEN ABOUT BEFORE, DO
YOU THINK WE'VE GONE FAR ENOUGH 
IN THIS REPORT TO TIE THAT INTO 
THE RECOMMENDATIONS ROOTS OF 
VIOLENCE? 
>> IT'S TOO QUICK TO MEASURE 
ONLY BEEN AROUND A YEAR.  
>>  OKAY.  
>>  AND I THINK TODAY IS A GOOD 
SIGN WE'RE ENGAGING.  ONE OF THE
THINGS I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO 
SEE HAPPEN IN THERE IS SOME 
FUNDING FOR EVIDENCE-BASED 
RESEARCH, NOT JUST SIMPLY 
FUNDING COMMUNITY AGENCIES AND 
DO A DANCE PROJECT, NO, I WOULD 
LIKE THEM TO HAVE SUBSTANTIVE 
WORK WITH ACADEMICS, ACTIVISTS 
WHO CAN SUPERVISE THOSE 
PROJECTS, TRAIN THEM HOW TO 
COLLECT
DATA. 
>>  SHE'S CHEERING YOU ON  
>> I'M SORRY.  HE GET VERY 
PASSIONATE.  SORRY.  TRAIN THEM 
HOW TO COLLECT DATA SO WHEN 
WE'RE SPEAKING WITH AGENCIES AND
INTERFACING WITH AGENCIES 
AGENCIES ARE SPEAKING THAT 
REFLECTS THE LANGUAGE THAT 
WLOOUR EXPECTING SO AGENCIES 
DON'T SUFFER FROM A DEFICIT BUT 
RATHER HAVE THE LANGUAGE AND 
SKILLS TO DO SO.  AND I WOULD 
LIKE US TO START THINKING ABOUT 
THE -- COME MECHANICS.  IT IS 
DIVERSE AND WE NEED
TO DO MORE.  
[INAUDIBLE]
.  
>>  THE CITY HAS I BELIEVE THIS 
IS MY OWN STATEMENT, MY OPINION.
I BELIEVE WE STRUGGLED ON 
COLLECTING THIS AGGREGATED DATA,
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO WELL 
BUT AT THE SAME TIME IN ORDER 
FOR TO US REALLY ADDRESS THE 
ISSUE OF EXCLUSION
AND INEQUALITIES WE NEED TO NOW 
HOW WE'RE ACCESSING INFORMATION,
AND HAVE WE TAILORED THOSE 
PROGRAMS TO SPECIFICALLY DELIVER
THE OUTCOME THAT WE'RE LOOKING 
FOR.  
>> YEAH.  
>> BEYOND THE RESEARCH AND 
CREATING A FUND TO FUNNEL THAT 
RESEARCH THROUGH THE 
PARTNERSHIPS WITH UNIVERSITY, 
WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD 
SIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING 
THAT THE CITY GENERALLY DOES.   
THEY
DO IN WAY OF THIRD PARTY VENDOR 
PARTNERSHIPS -- 
>>  LAST QUESTION. 
>> WELL, I COULDN'T TELL YOU 
WHERE TO DO THAT, RIGHT.  BUT 
WHAT I CAN DO SAY TO YOU IS 
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BLACK 
ACADEMICS WHO WOULD BE WILLING 
TO SIT WITH YOU.  
>>  OKAY.  THANK YOU.  
>>  THANK YOU. 
>>  COUNCILLOR CARROLL, 
QUESTION. 
>> WELL, I GUESS IT'S BUILDING 
ON COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM'S 
QUESTIONS.  I UNDERSTAND THAT 
THE NEED FOR THIS -- THE 
[INAUDIBLE]  
THIS DATA.  WE'VE TRIED, AND 
COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM IS GETTING 
AT HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING THE 
THIRD PARTY THING.  I'M 
WONDERING IF YOU CAN EXPAND A 
LITTLE WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE THE
DATA -- THE DATA THEY'RE TRYING 
TO COLLECT, THE QUESTIONS BEING 
ASKED ARE BEING ASKED BY THE 
VERY BODY THAT IS DOING THE 
OVERSUPERVISING, OR 
OVER-POLICING.  SO THE RESPONSE 
IS NOT GOING TO BE AS OPEN
AS YOU WANT.  IT CAN NEVER BE 
UNLESS WE DO THIS THIRD PARTY.  
AM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK?  
>> I THINK ALL OF THE
ISSUE IS BEING OVER-STUDIED BY 
THE WRONG FOLKS. 
>> YEAH.  
>>  SO WE NEED TO STOP HAVING 
THE BLACK COMMUNITIES BEING 
STUDIES BY ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY
BUT BLACK FOLKS.  
>> YES.  
>> WE DON'T DO THIS TO 
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES BUT I 
WANT TO USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE 
TO SHOW YOU SPEND TIME AND TAKE 
THE TIME TO LOOK AT INDIGENOUS 
COMMUNITIES YOU SPEND TIME, TAKE
TIME TO LOOK AT [INAUDIBLE] YOU 
DON'T DO THE SAME FOR BLACK 
COMMUNITIES.  AND I THINK WE 
NEED NOW TO EVALUATE, REEVALUATE
AND ASSESS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN 
DOING, WHAT HAS NOT BEEN WORKING
AND HOW WE MOVE [INAUDIBLE] THAT
DATA COLLECTION. 
>>  RIGHT.  SO IN A WAY THIS IS 
ADDING AN ACTION, ADDING A 
COMPONENT.  
>>  YES.  
>>  TO THE ONGOING WORK.  
>> YES.  
>> BUT VERY, VERY NECESSARY.  
>> YES.  
>> FOR THE ONGOING WORK TO 
SUCCEED.  
>> YES.  
>>  OKAY.  GOT IT, GOT IT. 
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.  ARE THERE 
ANY MORE QUESTIONS?  OKAY.   
SEEING NONE, JUST BEFORE WE 
RECESS CAN I JUST SAY BECAUSE I 
WON'T BE HERE AFTER AND 
UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE TO TRAVEL. 
AND SO I WON'T BE HERE, BUT I 
JUST WANTED TO SAY JUST FOR ME 
AS A BLACK PERSON IN THIS CITY, 
HOW PROUD I AM TO SEE ALL OF YOU
HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS REALLY, 
REALLY REALLY REALLY -- 
>> [APPLAUSE].  
>>  REALLY IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT 
ISSUE.  AND FOR THE TEAM AND THE
WORK THAT HAS BEEN ASSEMBLED AND
FINALLY FOR THE MAYOR WHO HAS 
BEEN VERY FOCUSED IN ADDRESSING 
THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.  SO 
THE OLD SAYING COMES TO MIND HE 
WHO FEELS IT THE MOST KNOWS IT 
THE BEST.  
>>  YES.  
>> I KNOW THAT COUNCILLOR GRIMES
AND VICE CHAIR WILL CHAIR THE 
MEETING AFTER THE RECESS.  WE 
WILL NOW RECESS UNTIL 1:30. 
>>  OKAY.   
>>  THANK YOU.   
>>  THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
