

### The Human Soul

### Passionately Desiring Positive Change

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Session 2

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### This ebook is a transcript of a seminar delivered by AJ Miller (who claims to be Jesus) on 11th April 2010 in Buderim, Queensland, Australia, as part of the Human Soul series of talks. In this seminar Jesus describes the importance of faith and courage for passionately desiring positive change.

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Table of Contents

### Passionately Desiring Positive Change: Session 2 Part 1

1. Introduction

2. Faith is required for passionately desiring positive change

2.1. Faith that change is good

2.1.1. An example of being unfaithful in a relationship

2.2. Faith that change is possible

2.3. Faith that God is good and loving

2.4. Faith underlies scientific discoveries

2.5. Faith is not blind or stupid

2.6. Faith is patient and creative

2.7. How faith drives passionately desiring positive change

2.8. An example of Mary's personal experience gaining faith

2.9. Faith is not hope

2.9.1. An example of a participant's faith aiding depression

2.10. Faith involves taking action

3. Audience questions

3.1. Emotions underlying beliefs about boycotting, money, food and water

3.2. Emotions underlying eating processed food and creating waste

4. Faith is required for passionately desiring positive change (continued)

4.1. Generating an inspired vision of change

4.1.1. Using imagination with money issues

4.2. Faith involves taking action (continued)

4.2.1. An example of working in our passions

4.3. The difference between faith and trust

### Passionately Desiring Positive Change: Session 2 Part 2

5. Courage is required for passionately desiring positive change

5.1. Courage involves inner strength

5.2. Gaining courage by releasing fear and desiring to act in harmony with love

5.3. Determination versus courage

5.4. An example of a participant receiving opposition speaking truth

6. We are creators of our own pain

6.1. Fear creates our pain

6.2. Pain is an indication that we are out of harmony with love

6.3. An example of helping a cancer patient

6.4. Addressing the cause of pain rather than the effects

6.5. Examples of AJ's physical pain with different emotions

7. Emotions are frozen within us from our childhood

7.1. We only have memories from when our brain was sufficiently developed to process information

8. Determining the cause of physical ailments

8.1. An example of a participant with chronic fatigue

8.2. An example of a participant with psoriasis

8.3. An example of back and neck pain

8.4. An example of itchy eyes

8.5. Getting massages

9. Closing words

9.1. Spirit influence towards people engaging with Divine Truth

Passionately Desiring Positive Change: Session 2 Part 1

1. Introduction

Let's get onto the subject, which is "The Human Soul - Passionately Desiring Positive Change." How did you feel about the discussion yesterday, so far?

Participant: Exciting.

Yeah. Can you see how you've got actually a lot more control over your own progression than perhaps you've realised? You see a lot of times what we do is we wait for our Law of Attraction to bring us a negative event, the negative event triggers us, and we get all upset about the fact that we had another negative event triggered us - "Why do we keep having a negative event?" So we go through all that emotion and then we go through the emotion that the negative event actually triggered, which was a whole different emotion generally, and we feel about that one. And then we dread the next time it happens. And then of course because we dread the next time it happens, there's fear in there, and of course it happens again, and away we go again on the same cycle.

Can you see actually that it's sort almost a trebling of your emotional work when you do that? Whereas if you go for the passionate desire for positively changing, it's setting up your life in such a way that your life is actually now attracting all the things you need, to trigger you emotionally, whatever those things are and you start working with your soul. You see at the soul level your soul automatically knows through the laws and what's being confronted within it, it automatically knows how to actually deal with all of this emotional baggage. The problem that we have most of the time is we want to avoid it. So that's the issue that we face.

Mary: And I think that change happened for me when my faith in the process grew, when I realised, "Wow, I worked through that emotion and it did really change my Law of Attraction." Until then I think even though intellectually we might trust the theory that if I deal with my emotions, my Law of Attraction will change and I'll get closer to God, if we're not passionately desiring it I think it belies the fact that we haven't actually shifted into that place of really believing it emotionally and having faith in it.

So can you see how there's quite a few qualities I suppose you'd call them that we really need if we're going to get into this place of having a passionate desire to change rather than resisting the change all the time. And one of the primary emotions is the one Mary just mentioned, faith.

### 2. Faith is required for passionately desiring positive change

So what do we need faith in?

2.1. Faith that change is good

Well can you see how firstly that we need faith that change is good because most of the time what do we believe really? We believe that any change is going to be bad for me.

2.1.1. An example of being unfaithful in a relationship

For example, I'm faced with living in truth with my partner. So let's say I have cheated on Mary and I'm faced with this aspect that I want to grow towards God. So I'm going to have to actually deal with this aspect that I've cheated on Mary. So I actually get into this place now where I'm willing to speak the truth to Mary about what I've done. So that's one of the things that is going to be necessary.

So I begin to speak the truth to Mary about what I've done and I start realising that actually if I tell her the whole truth it's going to sound really bad. And if I just say, "Oh I was attracted to somebody. Sorry about that, you know." (Laughter) And Mary then has a cry for a few days about the fact that her hubby's been attracted to somebody and she feels bad about it. And I go, "Whew, if that's what it was like, two days of crying with me just saying I was attracted to somebody, what about the time I slept with them? That's going to go down really well isn't it?" So I don't then have any faith that me staying in a place of truth and actually positively acting in this situation is actually going to cause any positive change.

What I do instead is I'm just now going to dread, "What if she cried for two days with me just saying I was attracted to somebody? What she's going to feel when I tell her I kissed her as well? And then what is she going to feel if I tell her that actually I didn't just kiss her actually, we had sex once as well. And then oh it wasn't just once actually now that I think about it, it was the last five years." (Laughter) You can just imagine the emotions that are going to come up there. And I'm now going through my mind, "Oh boy," and we get into all this justification of I don't think I can hurt her that much. Sorry but you've hurt her by doing it already. So telling her the truth is actually going to help her a lot rather than hurt her.

But we often go, "I don't think I could hurt her that much, I don't think I can..." And what are we really doing? We're afraid that telling the truth, acting in harmony with Divine Love and telling the truth is actually going to break our relationship, which I might have decided after the affair that I actually want.

I need to have some faith that this change that's going to happen, that this change is actually going to be positive for us. There must be a reason why I cheated on her for five years. There must be a reason why she didn't notice it for five years. There must be something going on emotionally for those events to occur.

Now by me staying silent, I'm not trusting and I don't have the faith that actually what I raise harmonious with truth is going to actually cause anything positive. I actually believe instead that she's going to have a meltdown and sure enough she has the meltdown, which you can understand. And now she wants to leave me and then in three or six months time I'm still pleading with her to forgive me but she won't forgive me. In eight months time she goes off and has some other relationship because she's still upset about what's happened and all these different things could happen. And in my mind I'm going, "This isn't positive, this isn't positive, I can't open my mouth and tell the truth here." And the reason why I'm not doing it because I don't have faith. I don't have faith that if I do things God's Way everything will work out for the best. I just don't have that faith. [00:43:41.27]

Mary, do you want to say something about it?

2.2. Faith that change is possible

Mary: I was going to say that I need to have faith that change is even possible. Some people are in the reverse situation where they've been unhappy for a really long time and they feel that no matter what they do it's not going to change.

So how many of you feel change isn't really possible dealing with your emotions? Some of you feel that way? Many of you have had the experience already where you deal with one emotion, and you think you got the whole thing out of there, but your damn Law of Attraction keeps kicking you in your backside again and telling you that you didn't really get it fully. So you go, "Oh," you know. And then this Law of Attraction happens again, the second time, and you think you dealt with that. But there are often all these flavours to our Law of Attraction. After the third time, when we still haven't dealt with the actual core issue that causes our Law of Attraction, what do we start doing then? We start going down this track of, "Oh maybe it doesn't work. " We're starting to believe inside of ourselves that it's not possible to fix things inside of us.

2.3. Faith that God is good and loving

Another thing we need to have faith about is that God is good and loving. Now this is a big issue for us. Most of us come from some kind of religious background or some other kind of background in our past, whether it be New Age religion or Christian or some other form of religion, Buddhism, Hinduism; usually we've had some kind of upbringing, and even an atheist has some kind of upbringing by the way. So what many of us finish up believing firstly is that we don't even believe in a personal God. So that's an issue right at the beginning. But then we don't believe that God is actually good and loving.

We actually believe in many cases that God is just as bad as any vindictive parent. In other words, what's one of our primary beliefs? One of our primary beliefs about God is; God is a punishing God. Look at my life, aren't I getting punished? That's what it feels like a lot of the times. So we go, "God is a punishing God." Now that's not a truth. God is actually good and loving but I don't believe it yet inside of myself because I've got all these emotions towards my father and all these emotions towards my mother and that's driving a lot of my stuff.

In reality, the truth is that God, the God that we don't know yet properly, because we're not yet at-one with Him, is actually good and loving. In fact far surpasses any single individual you've ever met on this planet or in the spirit world in terms of love and goodness. And in fact all the love and goodness in any of those people as a total comes from God. So God is even greater than the total of all the loving and goodness that you've ever seen on the planet, or in the spirit world. God is even better than that. In fact if we go further, then it follows that God must be infinitely good because there is an infinite number of things that God has done that are all good. [00:47:08.13]

So the truth is that when we begin we need to have faith that that is true because we don't believe it yet. We don't believe that's true yet inside of ourselves, we don't believe it's true. We hope it's true, which is totally different than believing it's true and feeling it for ourselves. And so what happens is when an emotion comes up what do we go? We don't go, "Oh God is good, He's going to help me get through this emotion, He's going to help me resolve it all. I know that if I do everything God's Way, I do it in a loving and truthful manner and I'm honest with myself and I'm open and I feel this emotion pass through me, I know that I'm going to get through this." We hardly feel like that at all. What we feel like instead is, "God's a punishing God, He's punishing me again. Look at the Law of Attraction is hammering me. Why did God make this f...ing Law of Attraction thing for?" (Laughter) And that's what we do.

We get so angry and upset that we start getting into a rage with God about what God's done because we don't believe that actually everything God's done is good and loving. "So what about this spirit influence thing? How cruel is that?" That's what we start feeling. When I start talking about spirits and how they can influence our life and what they hook into. "Why did God create a system that like that?" Not understanding that of course even that system is loving. We don't understand that yet because we don't have the feeling yet that that's true. But at some point we need to have the faith that it's true because if you don't have the faith that it's true and remember if we define faith; it's being able to see something in the future that we can't feel yet.

Mary: So we're holding the idea of that thing?

Yeah we're holding this idea that this is true. I sort of have this knowing inside of myself that as long as I do this, whatever it is that I've got to do or say or feel or work my way through, as long as I do that, the end result will come to me. You see to work towards God you need to have faith that God actually exists, that God is actually good, that God is actually loving and that all God wants is a relationship with you, before you will even begin wanting a relationship with God. Can you see that? How can you have a relationship with God when you don't believe there is a personal God and you don't believe that God is actually good and you don't believe God is actually loving and you feel that God is actually punishing if there is a personal God at all. How can you then develop a relationship with that person? It's going to be very, very difficult. So we need to at some point have the faith that the notion that God is good and loving may even be true before we begin. Now obviously if we don't have any faith that it may be true we will never do it. We will never try to do it.

2.4. Faith underlies scientific discoveries

Faith is a very, very scientific principle by the way. Every single creation on this planet that has come about from technology has come about from the faith of somebody. Some guy had to go, for example when thinking of a telephone, "There must be a way to actually talk in this device that you hold to your ear and walk around the whole planet." Now if you'd said that to a person two hundred years ago, they would have said, "You are absolutely nutters, that's just not possible."

If you'd said to a person two hundred years ago, that actually there can be a place in another country that projects an image and that image will go through space and actually enter a device that you can watch in your own living room and you see everything that's happening in the world in real time, they'd go, "Oh don't be stupid. That's totally unrealistic." Now somebody didn't say, "Oh don't be stupid anymore." Somebody said, "Oh I think this is possible." They had to have so much faith that it was possible that they were willing to invest a large portion of their life creating it. That's how much faith they had to have that it was possible.

Now without that faith there would be no science in reality, if you think about it, because everyone would go, "Oh you know that thing called television that we think might be possible, let's give it a name and call it television, well everybody here says, no, no, it's not possible. And anybody in the audience who thinks it's possible, we'll get them up the front and we just belittle them and make them feel stupid and tell them how idiotic they are to believe in something that's totally impossible." So that's one way to control the whole thing isn't it?

Instead what we need to have is faith that actually there are these possibilities that as long as I deal with things harmonious with love and truth, and again that requires another whole section of faith, that everything will come about perfectly and I'll be able to actually create this thing. That's what faith allows us to do. And it is so powerful, it's so powerful.

2.5. Faith is not blind or stupid

Mary: I know in the past I've had feelings about faith being a blind thing, faith being a thing that doesn't involve your sense of reasoning or your sense of logic. Obviously now I feel that faith is something very different and that there's a way to always test my faith if you like, or to prove my faith. I just need to have the faith in the beginning and then I will receive a result. That's quite different to some of the faith that exists on the planet today, where people almost use faith as a defence.

So faith is not blind and faith isn't stupid. A lot of times you hear people talk about born again Christians for example, about the issue of the fruits of the spirit. And a lot of people say, "Well that's stupid, how stupid can you be to believe in that?" And a lot of times that's what we believe - we believe that having faith is stupid. It actually comes from this underlying emotion of disillusionment of a lot of the things that we've desired in the past, where we had a desire in the past that hasn't come about in our lives and we're unwilling to feel the grief of that. And in the process of not feeling the grief of that, we get angry. And in the process of being angry we basically start being a cynic; we become cynical. [00:54:34.03]

So we don't believe that anybody can have a good motive on the planet, for example. We don't believe that anything that comes about is actually going to be for our benefit because we're cynical about everything. And you can see this cynicism, which is the opposite of faith, growing on the planet. There is so much of it. This cynicism pervades so many areas of our lives, with the underlying emotion of disillusionment driving it. And faith is not something that we can really be cynical about because it is actually a physical and spiritual and metaphysical quality that we can develop that creates. Without faith nothing gets created.

Why would you have ever have made a wheel, the wheel that we've had for thousands of years? Why did somebody make it? Because they obviously had some kind of faith at the beginning that if I make something that's curved, it might roll over things better. How hard is it to make a wheel really? It's quite difficult, isn't it? You imagine doing it by hand, having to chop down the tree to get the wood, having to shape the wood in such a manner to make it into a circle, then having to fix it to an axle, and so forth, all the things that need to be done to make the wheel. Obviously there' s a lot of effort there. Wouldn't you rather be going out and spearing the piece of meat for tonight rather than starving for 5 weeks while you're making the wheel?

2.6. Faith is patient and creative

So what happens most of the time today on the planet is we get into this state where we're only interested in anything that is a quick fix to something. This is why people are addicted to New Age philosophy; because it appears to be a quick fix. Many of you became addicted to New Age philosophy and then realised twenty years later that it wasn't as quick a fix as what you believed. But we start the process because we believe it's a quick fix. And faith is not like that either, faith is very patient.

Mary: And you were saying before faith is very creative and full of possibility.

Faith is creative.

2.7. How faith drives passionately desiring positive change

So now if I apply this principle of faith to the subject that we're discussing, which is passionately desiring positive change, can you see that if I'm cynical about change that it's going to be very hard for me to passionately desire it? But if I have a belief inside of me, if I have faith that I can change positively quite rapidly and I can experiment with some of the principles of that, then obviously now I'll have a desire, I'll passionately desire to do it. If I have this feeling inside of me of disillusionment with the universe and the world and what it's done and what it's done to me in my life and I don't deal with that emotion and I let that emotion drive me for the rest of my life, then it's going to be very hard for me to passionately desire change.

So I need to have some faith that actually all of these things are possible and all I need to do is exercise a desire to get them. Now faith isn't as stupid as what many people think because you know most of the time what we do is we fail to perceive what has been done before us.

To give you an example of that, you obviously know now that you can fly in an aeroplane. In fact they've now made aeroplanes, the new A380, which can have five hundred and fifty passengers in it. It's two stories high and this great big monstrous thing flies. And it doesn't just fly; it flies at about six hundred miles an hour almost. It just flies at these incredible speeds, one thousand kilometers an hour or so and it flies and it carries five hundred and fifty passengers. Now we all know that now. But you take us back two hundred years and if I said to you as an audience, "Actually I've got in my mind this great idea that we can build this machine and it's going to fly with five hundred and fifty passengers in it and on top of that it's going to propel them at one hundred times the speed that a horse can walk." And you'd be there going, "What an idiot. What planet's he from? How crazy is he?" [01:00:11.21]

Mary: Unless you're a child and then you might go, "Yeah."

Unless you're a child you might be quite fascinated. But as an adult our cynicism drives our response to what we hear, you see. So we are generally very cynical about everything we hear. So there I am, I've got all these wonderful ideas in this mind that I'm getting, a lot of them might be channelled of course from the spirit world. Let's say all of you as an audience hearing me say that go, "Oh that's way, way out there, it's not possible..." and you're projecting all of this stuff at me. So you imagine you being in that position where you're saying something that nobody else around you even believes is possible. What's it going to require for you to actually go ahead and create it?

Participant: Faith and courage.

Faith and courage in the end. Now let's look at it from the faith perspective. Firstly you're going to need to have a lot of faith that actually what you actually feel within inside of yourself can be carried out. Why would you otherwise invest years and years and years of your life experimenting with making it happen without having some kind of driving force? And you know history is full of examples where people gave up on their faith only to have someone else grab their particular idea with a bit of extra faith, another year or two of it and all of sudden you have a creation. History is littered with people like that who gave up on their faith, who stopped having faith.

And so can you see how if I'm going to stick with the Divine Love Path and I'm going to passionately desire positive change for the rest of my existence, I'm going to not want to have any more of this desire to give up when the going gets tough. And it's only faith that's going to get me through that, faith that if I continue everything will get better at some point. It's only faith that helps me there. [01:02:22.05]

2.8. An example of Mary's personal experience gaining faith

Mary: Can I talk about my journey with faith a little bit from an emotional perspective? When I met AJ I had been on this path of passionately desiring positive change on our planet and wanting to deal with lots of the injustice that existed. I was working with refugees and asylum seekers and all these kinds of people. And what had happened to me is that I had become very, very cynical about love actually winning out. I felt that you couldn't go for the real fix anymore because I'd tried and so many people had tried, not understanding of course the way you really fix things, but I was happy to work around a lot of negativity in order to make things just a little bit better for people.

Mary: I was just thinking about ways that we grow in faith because for me two years ago when you said you have to have faith, I'd go, "That's fairly empty, I don't know what to do with that." I was just reflecting that what I had to do with that was a lot of grieving around my disillusionment and cynicism about what was happening in the world. From that grew my sense of what might be possible but I couldn't just manufacture faith, I had to be real about where I was at at that time, and that involved grieving quite a bit. I was very angry as AJ can attest to about the situation in the world and wanting everyone to have this social conscience and that kind of thing.

Yeah. I remember one of the very first interactions I had with Mary, soon after we got together was when we went shopping.

Mary: I'm sure that story has been told before but when we went to buy the mint or something that was produced in Israel and I gave AJ a long lecture on human rights violations in Israel. (Laughter) We bought the mint in the end. That was in England.

Well I brought the mint. I know Mary was still pretty upset about it. We're so used to punishment on this planet, so when somebody does something wrong, or what we believe is out of harmony with love, what we do is we punish them to bring them back into harmony with love. Instead of doing that, what we need to do is address the emotional issue instead. So let's address the emotional issue of the human rights violations in a country like Israel. Now because that seems like such a big thing to try to achieve, what we do is we give up on that.

Mary: And I feel like such a small person and I don't believe in violence, so what can I do? I'll boycott, that's my answer because I've given up on healing myself around that.

And given up on anybody else healing about that. So what we do is we go into this punishment phase of boycotting and we don't understand that actually, "Oh a boycott is just another expression of my rage about my frustration that I'm not being able to change this issue," and so we go down that track.

2.9. Faith is not hope

Participant: I had a conversation the other day with another person about faith and he mentioned that he gets confused where what he has could be hope. I always thought that I had faith with this path but then I started to question myself - maybe mine's hope. And then I started to get a little bit down because otherwise I'd probably just want to throw the towel in on this path because that's what I've been hanging on to, what I think is faith. I don't really know what faith is I suppose. Is it a bit of hope?

No they are very, very different qualities actually. You see you can hope that somebody that you really like might be attracted to you at some point in the future. You can hope that for ten years but does it ever become real? Well sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. What I'm saying is for the majority of people that might not happen. So why hasn't it happened? Because the faith wasn't based on anything that was real, it was just a hope without it actually being real.

So hope can be something that's based on something totally unreal whereas faith is always based on something that is real. The illustration of the point is that when we fully have faith, whatever we have faith in always comes to fruition. It always has some result. When we have hope, hope can often result in no result whatsoever. [01:07:41.20]

How many of you hope that there is no war on the planet today? And yet there is still war on the planet today and tomorrow and the next day. But we can have faith that there is no war on the planet if we do a certain thing or if we take certain actions that can create it. So faith always has action involved as well. Whereas hope is often where I sit down and hope that I don't have to do anything other than hope. And often hope is born from emotional injury. In other words I don't want to feel my underlying emotional reason, and if I didn't have hope, what would I feel? I'd feel hopeless and let's go deeper than that. What does that feel like?

Mary: To use the illustration of me, when I met AJ I hoped that I was going to be able to be at-one with God. But really I had all of these horrible feelings that actually we can't heal ourselves and we can't change. And I had to go through them in order to gain faith in what I needed to do to get to that point. So faith is more of an active process whereas hope is sort of an emotion.

And hope is often born out of an emotion of wanting other people to do things for us whereas faith is we are prepared to be involved in the process ourselves.

Participant: I've been paying out on God a bit about it how because I'm on this path and you help me get there? I've been doing a bit of paying out there lately because I feel like...

"Why aren't you helping me? I'm trying my hardest."

Mary: "No one else is trying."

Participant: I feel like God should be giving me a bit more Divine intervention or whatever.

Give me a bit more of what I need. (Laughter)

Participant: I'm on the path, isn't that enough?

I need you to show me that it's working. (Laughter)

Participant: And I guess I come back the Law of Attraction. When I release an emotion then that changes and it's kind of like, "Is that it? Is that all I've got?" Sometimes I feel a bit like that.

Yeah. A lot of times hope is actually covering over quite a bit or rage because we often have quite a lot of hope about certain things happening in the future but what actually finishes up happening is that we are using our hope to cover over our frustration that it's not happened in the past.

So for example I might meet a woman and I hope that she takes an interest in me. Now that's totally different than taking action and having some faith that if you take some action something will result. So I can sit there and hope all I like but there is a high likelihood that without any action this woman is not even probably going to notice me. And so this is the issue that we face; often the hope is born out of our desire to not act whereas faith is always about action because faith motivates action every single time. When I really have faith, then I will have action. [01:10:58.07]

2.9.1. An example of a participant's faith aiding depression

Participant: AJ I recently had a quite a good thing happen with faith. I was in depression and I didn't know what to do about it. With depression I just felt like I was going down and it was actually I realised that the Law of Attraction started to help me. Somewhere I started to have faith. I was sitting in a cafe and there was a little sign put on the table for the table card and it was a saying by Winston Churchill and it said, "When you're going through hell, just keep going."

Mary: That's my favourite saying.

Participant: And that suddenly gave me faith.

It's Mary's favourite saying.

Participant: (Laughs) Oh okay. Yeah I just wanted to share that that really got me going. Then suddenly other Law of Attraction things came in and somewhere I felt that change was possible and it was possible for me to come out of it. And I came out of it quite quickly. And then I went on medication and realised that wasn't right and then I had a phone call from my homeopathic doctor who I'd forgotten about, and she got me on some stuff and that helped me get off the medication. And then from there, there were other people here that helped me through it. So it was just having that faith all the way through but just that one Law of Attraction helped me.

2.10. Faith involves taking action

And can you see too how your desire also had an effect?

Participant: Yeah.

While you sit there and wallow in something, there's not much desire to actually do something for yourself but you were prepared to actually take action for yourself as well, so that was an important part of that. And faith always does that. Faith is a highly motivational thing, it motivates you into action. So for every single person who ever created anything in history, faith wasn't something where they sit there and go, "Yeah I believe that's going to happen," and then nothing happens because they didn't want to do anything. The truth is that every single person who has a real faith finishes up creating. They finish up creating what they have faith in and that's what we do too. It's a very powerful quality.

3. Audience questions

3.1. Emotions underlying beliefs about boycotting, money, food and water

Participant: I was just wanting to know your views on things that are made in China and that sort of thing in relation to love of the other people who are not getting paid very much for their time for creating these things.

So the answer would be to boycott all of that. (Laughs) What would happen then? Then those people who were actually the workers would actually get nothing and obviously getting something is better than getting nothing. So what's the real issue? The real issue is our penchant, our desire, particularly in the Western world, to be money focused all of our life. So if I wanted to heal some emotion inside of myself about what's creating this issue, I need to first look at myself and look at how much I'm conscious of money, how much I'm looking at saving money all the time, how much I don't want to pay what things are really worth, how much I feel like that I'm getting ripped off all the time, how much I don't want to work for the money that I get, how much we're in this state of having a monetary system that is based around value, how much we value people with lots of money and value less those with none. Can you see there are lots of emotions in it? [01:15:04.15]

Participant: Yeah because my Law of Attraction for my whole life practically has been that I haven't had much money. Up until last year when I was working a forty hour a week and I was like, "Yay," but you know my whole week was gone in a job that I didn't like.

So we're willing to compromise for money, sell ourselves for money.

Participant: Yeah. And when I do go shopping, I think, "Oh that's not worth that amount of money." So that does actually make sense. I haven't actually thought of it that way to actually deal with my stuff.

If you think of it, if every person on the planet did that, then we would never tolerate a person living on a subsistence wage for example. We would never even tolerate having to buy water. We wouldn't even tolerate having to buy food. What a ludicrous proposition if you think about it. How crazy is it that you have to buy water? Almost every one of us does it, do we not? Don't you have water rates that you pay? How crazy is it that you've got to buy something that within three days, if you didn't have it, you'd probably die. How crazy is it that we've created a society that you've actually got to buy that instead of it being available to every single living creature and person on the planet. We're living in one crazy world when you think about it, just with the aspect of having to buy water.

But let's also then look at the issue of buying food. What a crazy proposition. I can understand maybe having to buy something like a painting or something like that, that somebody creates but having to buy food? Every single one of us at this point needs food to survive and yet we're there buying it. And what about the people who actually create the food?

When we were in the States, they had an abundance of strawberries.

Mary: Yeah, it was on the news.

They had an abundance of strawberries because it was an especially good crop that year. And what they were doing was they were destroying the strawberry plants rather than have anybody allowed to come and pick them because they were afraid of getting sued if somebody had an accident while they were picking the strawberries. [01:17:40.01]

Mary: Crazy.

So they were destroying literally thousands of beautiful, huge strawberries. They were just destroying whole acreages of them. Now we say, "Oh that would only happen in America." I'm sorry, it happens here. This is what we do to our own wheat crop quite frequently. When we have a bumper crop and the market rate of that crop goes down, you know what we do with it? We burn it or dump it in the sea. That's what we do with it. Why would we even contemplate that? That's just craziness. And what is it all about? It's because we all want to have money, we all want to have some wealth. So what we need to do is address the emotions within us.

Now let's look at it from the perspective of faith. The positive change would be that actually what would happen is in the end is we wouldn't have to pay for water, we wouldn't have to pay for food and anybody who produces water or food is automatically given everything they need to produce it. So they don't have to go and buy a tractor, they don't have to go and buy whatever it is that we expect them now to buy. They actually get given all of those resources to produce the food. They have the desire to produce the food and they're just given the resources because the fact is, it's just a loving place to be if we can give this food that every single person on the planet needs and give the water that every single person on the planet needs. Now at some point I have to have the faith inside of myself that if I deal with my emotions about money, that a lot of these things can be created. But if I don't deal with my emotions about money, I'm just going to ignore them.

Participant: I've got another question. So what do you guys do like when you buy clothes and when you buy food do you look at where it comes from and like that sort of stuff?

No. I look only at my emotional injuries that would create such a thing every single time. So when Mary pointed out to me that I was buying mint from Israel. "It's a terrible thing." (Laughter) I have to look at my own emotions inside of me of what inside of me would create this problem. So what inside of me creates the problem of human rights abuses for example? What inside of me? What unhealed emotion do I have where I feel I can want something from somebody and actually put them down to get it. I need to look at that emotionally. [01:20:36.22]

Participant: Do you mean you'd still go ahead and buy it or you would want it and then deal with the emotion and then see what you do after?

If I need something I definitely go and get it. However I also look at the underlying emotional reason of what is going wrong with it, every single time. And what inside of myself creates that, what fear inside of me creates it, what lack of love inside of me creates it, all of those things, and try to address each one of them emotionally.

You see one of the things I taught in the first century was that if you attack things, you are actually going to make them worse. And this is one thing that most people on the planet still don't understand. Every time I act in a violent manner towards something, it actually makes it worse, it makes it bigger. My classification of a violent manner; a boycott is a violent manner. That's the way that I feel. If I boycott something, I'm actually going to make the situation worse. If I address the underlying causal emotion within myself, because that's the first person and the usually the only person that I can first address the emotion in, then I am now not contributing to this particular problem anymore, emotionally. And because I'm no longer contributing emotionally, physically I won't also contribute, automatically, as a result.

3.2. Emotions underlying eating processed food and creating waste

So you will find as you deal with different emotions about lack and things like that, you'll find, "All of a sudden I don't need as much food. All of a sudden I don't need any packaged food. Oh all of a sudden I can grow most of my food and I don't need to buy much of it anymore if I didn't want to. And all of a sudden I can live just on fruit and vegetables and a few nuts and that's all I need anymore. I don't seem to need the Weetbix in the morning and all these different things anymore," because all of the emotions that have been driving all of this stuff in the past in me have all disappeared. And all of a sudden I no longer need processed food anymore for some reason. In fact processed food tastes bad to me after I've dealt with a group of different emotions. It actually tastes bad for me to go and get spaghetti. Even though it's not meat or anything like that, it still tastes bad, it affects my body and it feels bloating and it feels terrible.

So, sometimes when we come over to the coast now and we go out to dinner or something, we come home feeling like that was pretty bad. We just had a vegan meal somewhere but it still felt pretty bad because there was a lot of processing in it and my body now, particularly my body, is just rebelling against that. And so after a while what happens is you start getting into this state where you don't need all these things you thought you needed before because you've dealt with the underlying emotions and so that automatically creates better things happening in the environment.

So the majority of people on the planet would have a bin three quarters full of all this manufactured stuff, being thrown out, all the paper cut and all these other things being thrown because they don't know what else to do with it. After a while what happens is you finish up getting a whole bin and it might last you two months, it takes two months to fill up the bin. Then after a while because you deal with different emotions and everything, now you fill up half the bin in two months, because all of the other stuff that you're getting and the other stuff you're attracting to eat and everything else is actually automatically creating less and less and less waste because you have dealt with the soul condition that created it in the first place. So what eventually finishes up happening, so what's happening for us at home now almost everything that comes into the place gets somehow recycled somewhere. I love my worms, so my worms are honoured in our place.

Mary: They're like our babies.

They're our babies at the moment. And the reason why I love these worms so much is because almost every single thing that comes into our home that you could imagine, aside from plastic and those things which we don't get much of anymore, goes to the worms at some point. It's amazing that they produce this beautiful soil that we can use to grow other things from cardboard.

So last week every single day I'd get out my wheelbarrow, fill it full of water, pack it full of cardboard so it all goes soggy and then chuck it all on the worms. And within a few weeks that's all gone. All the worms have just eaten it all and not only have they eaten it all, what comes out is you pick up this soil and it's soft and light and fluffy and you can do anything with it. It's just amazing. And that's a part of bringing your soul condition into more and more harmony. As you bring it into more and more harmony everything around you seems to work in such a way that there's less waste, less damage, less hurt to the environment, less hurt to people as a result.

Mary: When I met AJ was I trying to do it from the other end. I wanted to be organic and recycle and do all of these things but I was still carrying all this other emotion. I was very confronted when AJ went, "No we're not going to do that, we're going to talk about this emotion." But now as it's happening for me it's a natural result, and it's not an effort and it just flows a lot quicker.

Everything flows better. So if you multiply that by each one of us in the audience, and you multiply that by each person in Australia, you imagine all of a sudden how things would change - Coca-Cola would go out of business. At the moment we've got these huge landfills getting filled up with rubbish. I remember having one talk with some people in the US and they told me that if they had to not drink diet coke in order to get at-one with God, they would actually never be at-one with God because they loved Coke that much. I thought it's just such a sad statement of the world really. But if you look at it, what would happen to you? Firstly what is coke full of? And sorry guys who manufacture coke but it's full of sugar. And what happens to your body when you eat lots of sugar? You get lots of problems in your body; your body becomes very acid. All of a sudden your body doesn't work very well, you get all these health problems occur because of sugar overdosing and eventually you have all sorts of internal organs breaking down.

Now if all of us decided out of love for ourselves that we would never drink a soft drink again because it's really just a love of self issue. So out of love of myself I would never drink a soft drink again. Imagine if everyone in Australia decided we're never going to drink a soft drink again. Now firstly you know what would increase? All of the ones who are growing oranges for orange juice, you know what is happening to them at the moment? They are letting their trees die because there is no demand. They're ripping them out by the hundreds of acres in the Riverland. Just letting it all die because there's no demand. Why's there no demand? Because we're all hooked on soft drink. So imagine all of a sudden all the juices stuff would start reappearing as well, which is much more harmonious with the environment and also with your body. [01:28:23.11]

But if you start thinking about everything that's affected, all of a sudden just changing that one little thing, and the reason being because I love myself, all of a sudden there's this huge changes that occur. And all these positive changes can occur just by me making one choice harmonious with love of myself; just that one choice. You imagine how many less plastic bottles there would be by us all not drinking soft drink anymore. It would be huge wouldn't it? Like how much of that goes into landfill and everything else? And how long does plastic take to degrade? It's not like glass where you can just smash it up and reuse it or anything like that. It stays in the landfill, you've either got to melt it down again to reprocess it, which means you've got to clean it and melt it down. Huge amounts of water resources being used to do all of that. Whereas with glass you can just smash it and pulverise into dust and use it in the garden. So it's totally different.

We create the results what we've done because of our demand. So if I look at why is there all this landfill, and I look at the emotion inside of me, I see there is an emotion inside of me where I want a convenient thing. That's what I want. And I myself am still addicted to convenience. I'm still working through emotional issues about being addicted to convenience. We have twenty-eight one litre glass bottles at home to drink water in and I still drink out of a plastic bottle. But why am I doing that? Because I'm afraid of dropping the bottle in a venue like this and having a big mess to clean up. That's the only reason why I do it. It's an emotion of desiring convenience, an emotion that needs to be worked through at some point.

So can you see that if we all just started to address those issues, even just out of the sake of our own health, how much change there would be? So I love myself so much that I'm never going to drink a sugar drink again, a drink that's full of sugar again. Wow, you imagine what would happen to most of the shopping centres. There's a whole aisle of them. That's all got to go, at some point that'll all go.

You see people with their shopping trolleys covered with forty-eight coke cans or coke bottles or whatever, and it's cheaper than water. Do you understand that? I don't understand that. One large bottle of water costs me two or three or four dollars sometimes. Yet I can get the same thing in coke for $1.50 or $2.00. How does that work when coke's got that same amount of water and sugar and flavouring and this and that and manufacturing? I don't understand how that works. When I went to the States last, I went into one of the airports and they've a 500ml bottle of coke standing next to a 500ml bottle of water. The 500ml bottle of coke was US$0.80. The 500ml bottle of water cost me US$5.50. Could you work that out? I can't work that out. That's crazy. And the fact that I have to buy the flipping water in the first place is crazy. (Laughter) [01:32:12.09]

What I'm getting at with it is that all we need to do is act harmoniously with love and all of these things will change. That's what will happen; all of those things will change. And if I love myself, acting in harmony with love of myself, many of these things will change. But you know what the problem is? We don't have the faith that it's going to. And we somehow think there's no relationship between my personal actions and my unhealed soul condition and what's happening on the Earth. That's totally incorrect. There's a complete interaction, a perfect interaction between what's happening on the planet and my own condition. Everything is linked. And if I have some faith that I change my soul condition and these other factors will change, the craziness of buying water will change. The craziness of how we're willing to manufacture something that costs us $0.80 and we have to pay $5.50 for something that's good for us. Why does the thing that's good for us cost more than the thing that's bad for us? There's an emotional condition in me that creates that. Can you see that? And if I have the faith that if I change the emotional condition that things will change, then things will change. That's how everything on the planet's ever changed.

4. Faith is required for passionately desiring positive change (continued)

4.1. Generating an inspired vision of change

Participant: If we're thinking that we're going to change our emotional condition or soul condition, do we have to have a vision of what we want it to be or is it just enough to hope that it's going to change by feeling past emotions and things like that?

An inspired vision is much more powerful than hope because hope could be something that's totally based on an emotional injury. Inspired vision is totally different. Vision is very helpful.

Mary: It activates your desire. If you don't know where you're headed for, there's not a lot of desire in that is there? It's like you said, it's just a hope that if I deal with this, things will get better. But if you can generate the vision and the desire, it's much more powerful.

As an illustration, you imagine that you've not got any fear anymore. If you just close your eyes, let's just try this as an audience. Just close your eyes and imagine yourself as a completely fearless being, that you're not afraid to tell the truth to any single person in your entire life, that you're not afraid to do anything. Bungee jumping or whatever doesn't scare you anymore and jumping out of a plane with a parachute doesn't frighten you anymore. Going swimming in the sea doesn't frighten you anymore, talking to an angry person doesn't frighten you anymore. Feeling angry spirits around you doesn't frighten you anymore. You see somebody being thrown by a spirit from one end of the room to another and that doesn't scare you anymore. You see these really grotesque spirits that you picture in your mind but you can't see at the moment, but you actually see them now with your eyes but they don't frighten you anymore either.

And you're not afraid of anything that would happen to your children. You're not afraid of them getting run over by a truck or a car or falling off of a building or getting stung by an animal or getting bitten by an animal that causes them to have a lot of pain, you're not afraid of that anymore. And imagine for a moment you're not even afraid of pain anymore. So it has no effect on you anymore, it has no response in you anymore.

Can you imagine just being in that place? It's just an amazing place to be, just imagine yourself being there. Now imagine if you could do that, every single day, just for five minutes being in this place without fear. So for five minutes a day that's all you do, you just imagine it. Well what you're doing right now, if you're imagining it, is you're actually praying about it. And you're actually starting to conceive, by just allowing the imagination to picture this place, what it would be like to be in this place without fear. And that faith that it can happen can now drive you for the rest of the day. You can remember what you imagined. [01:37:20.25]

So your imagination is a very powerful tool that you have to picture things that are idyllic that you want for yourself or for your environment or for the planet. And that imagination in itself is creative. And you can sit down and draw some pictures about what it would be like, how you would feel inside. You could sit down and draw some pictures about what life would be like living with other people like this where not a single person gets angry with you anymore because they're no longer afraid. So if you can imagine yourself picturing that, every single day. Let's say you did that for five minutes in a day. How do you think you'd feel? Do you think you'd feel motivated to deal with your emotions that cause you to not be there? If you can keep that picture in your mind, of course you'd be motivated, wouldn't you? And so as you allow that imagination to enter you and see the pictures, the actual feelings inside of you grow.

All through my life the way I've discovered truth was that I first imagined what it would be like. And then what I did was I would pray about it so much to see whether it's possible. I imagine something so I could conceive. So for example with the soul union thing, in terms of the two halves of the soul becoming one, what happened originally was that it began in my imagination. I started imagining it and started imagining what it'd be like and then I'd be talking about it with Mary in the spirit world and we started both imagining what it would be like to merge into this one soul. And I just feel, yes there's a possibility here, there's something about this. And we start seeing the patterns in the universe, the way everything is made seems to come in these two halves. And looking at these patterns and then trying to apply it to our relationship and starting to see how it all comes together. And then in the spirit world working on that relationship in such a manner that eventually the union process occurs where you become one. Now that began in my imagination and it turned out to be a reality.

So don't be afraid to imagine and picture in your mind possibilities.

4.1.1. Using imagination with money issues

Participant: I can't perceive that for too much longer we will be existing in the manner that we have been regarding money and the way we operate financially. I don't know whether it's faith but there's some deep knowing that we're at the very end of a way of being and that we will be operating without money.

So now allow yourself to picture that and then act upon this faith you have and start living in that yourself. This is what caused me to say, "Alright, I'm just going to do everything by donation. So what I'm going to do is trust that if I don't receive enough money to live, that actually it's something to do with my emotions that I need to deal with inside of myself. So I need to live in that manner."

So rather than now focusing my life on getting enough money so that I can do the things on the weekend that I enjoy, what I'm going to do now is flip my life all over and I'm going to actually decide to do what I enjoy 100% of the time and then when I don't get the funds together for us to live on, I look at my emotional reasons within me of why it wasn't created, why I haven't created it inside of myself. And once I deal with those emotions eventually those things come along and eventually you get to the point where now I don't consider how money is spent at all, as Mary will attest to. Mary still occasionally does but I have no consideration whatsoever about money itself. I have no fear of how it's going to be used or whether I'm going to have enough or not or any of those things. I don't live my life in that manner anymore where I'm worried about money from day-day, whether I can pay a bill or not pay a bill. I don't have any worries about what I should buy or not buy. If I haven't got the money to buy it, I just don't buy it and I look at my own Law of Attraction. If I really wanted it why isn't it coming to me right now? And what out of harmony with love is not coming to me right now? So I need to look at that as well, deal with the emotions of it. This is what we need to do. [01:42:54.09]

Many of you have this picture of a life without money. Many of you have had this inspiration, where you can see pictures given to you from spirits about life without money but we don't translate it into action because we don't have faith. You see what faith would motivate us to do is go, "Okay, sooner or later there's going to be no money on this planet, whether it happens because of economic breakdown or whether it happens because of Earth changes, or whatever is the reason. We know sooner or later it has to go because it's not loving. So sooner or later there's going to be no money on this planet. So what do I do about that myself? Well let's start acting like there's no money on this planet. In the manner of let's first deal with every emotion that I have about money inside of myself." Now if I'm passionately desiring positive change and I have this knowing in my mind that comes from a bit of a feeling in my heart that there is not going to be any money in the future, then why aren't I right now acting in harmony with that in my life? The only reason why I might not be is because of fear that I need to address. So let's go ahead as a group and deal with that fear, let's deal with that fear.

4.2. Faith involves taking action (continued)

4.2.1. An example of working in our passions

So let's look at the fact that I'm working in a job. Do I really like it? Am I passionate about it? If I'm not passionate about it, I leave it tomorrow. "What? I've got bills and I've got a mortgage and I've got this." Yet what you're going to do is you're going to become God-reliant and you're going to trust that actually if you doing something that's harmonious with your desire tomorrow is actually going to fix all of these issues and you'll be able to have a place to live and everything will be cared for and all of those things. You're going to start putting this truth that you're receiving into action in other words. And faith is what does that. Faith is the only quality in fact that does that, if you think about it, because if I don't have faith that the change is possible then I won't act and if I don't act then it's going to stay the same anyway.

So yes always act in harmony with your faith. Faith is not a passive quality. It's not something that you can just say, "Oh yeah I've got faith. I've got faith God exists." Well okay you say you've got faith that God exists but how much are you reliant on God? Show me your faith in action.

There's a whole passage in the book of James in the Bible that was written based around my statements of faith in the first century, and it's worth reading. It's all about how faith motivates action. A person who has faith isn't easily manipulated from your faith.

So in other words, if you have faith that there is not going to be any money in the future, for example, and you decide right now I'm going to start living my life where I'm going to actually trigger every money issue that I actually have within myself, and your friends are going to come up to you and say, "What are you doing? You gave away your job. That was a good job." Now what they're doing is they're infiltrating you with their fear. Now that's going to trigger some of your own fear about the issue. So what happens then? I then go into a state of fear and when I'm in a state of fear I'm also in this other place, which is a lack of faith place and is a place of doubt.

So now what I do is I start doubting that what I believe is possible is possible for me. So I doubt, "Oh yeah maybe they're right, maybe they're right, I'd better go back and get that job from my boss. I'll say I'm sorry and that I just went through a momentary phase of craziness, and I just want that job back." And what we do then is because of the lack of faith within ourselves, we allow the doubts and the fears from our environment to infiltrate us emotionally and then we act upon them. So many of us do that on a moment-by-moment basis. [01:47:07.28]

So let's challenge that. So we challenge that by acting in harmony with our faith. So many of us are coming along because we believe our soul is very powerful. And yet we say, "Oh I've got to go to work forty hours a week." If your soul's so powerful why do you have to work forty hours a week? Why can't you just work two hours a week? Or maybe not work any hours a week that you feel is work but it's just your passion. So in other words, let's say my passion was art so all I did all my time that I had was my art. If it was music, then all I do is my music and just see where my passion takes me. And if it doesn't bring what I need to sustain myself I look at my Law of Attraction and have faith that actually all I need to do is deal with my Law of Attraction and something will change. And all of sudden I'll have the funds available to me if I follow my passion.

Mary: There's a lady in New Zealand called Ina who's been on the Divine Love Path largely on her own because there hasn't been very many other people in New Zealand who have been listening to the DVDs. She is a massage therapist and what she does is she lives in like a little holiday town and she gives massages to people. She has this standard rate that she charges. And we went to visit her on our trip to New Zealand and we didn't talk to her about that at all but we were just talking about different emotions and money and things like that. The day after we left unbeknownst to us she decided to make all of her services by donation and that triggered huge fear for her. She felt like this is her only source of income, she doesn't have any family in New Zealand, she's renting a place and she's got a little car but she decided that was in harmony with love and I guess she had faith that something positive would come from that.

Mary: And we received a letter from her just this week saying that actually what has happened is that sometimes she doesn't receive as much money and sometimes she actually refuses money from people or refuses to give the massage if she feels there's something sexual going on or there's some other needy-based thing happening for the person.

Mary: Prior to this she felt she wasn't living in her passion, which is what she was actually talking to us about. But the beautiful thing that's happen is she's started to attract clients that want to talk about their emotions. She was finding the opposite beforehand. And that she's able to talk about what she's really passionate about, truth and emotions and things like that, in her day-to-day life and she has enough to live on. So for her the lesson was really about taking her focus off money and she actually got more quality of life.

She was just expressing her joy because before she was just treating as a job, where she had a bit of her passion but it felt like a job because of the money transactions that were going on. Now that she's stopped the money transactions going on, when a man comes in who's sexually projecting at her and wants a massage, she just refuses to massage him and sends him on his way. And when somebody else comes in who wants a massage and they have a pure desire to deal with emotion, she says no worries and off she goes and gives them a two hour massage. She does it in her passion and ironically she's having just as much funds not from specific individuals but overall just as much funds as she's ever had. But she's also now enjoying the entire process. Can you see she's also brought her life into harmony with her passion, into harmony with Divine Love and also feeling as a result so much more joy? What she needed was faith; she needed faith that if she did the thing harmonious with Divine Truth and Love that in the end everything would be okay if she dealt with her emotions about it otherwise. That's what she needed. [01:51:50.07]

4.3. The difference between faith and trust

Participant: What's the relationship with trust to faith? Is it the same or is faith something that's in the future and trust is in the present? Can you explain the difference between that please?

You've explained it exactly. Trust is in the present, faith is in the future. So the truth is both qualities are very important qualities. So in answer to your question, yes, faith is something about the future, where we have a feeling about something being possible in the future as long as we act in harmony with love and truth right now, that will occur. Trust is something very different. Trust is an emotion too, just like faith is an emotion. But trust is very much about the present.

Perhaps if we can illustrate it. Many of us have a feeling of mistrust within us about all sorts of matters. So when you hear somebody on the television, like last night, we heard that there was a plane that came down through pilot error in the Soviet Union and it happened to have the Polish president on board. Ninety people died yesterday through this accident, and my immediate feeling was that that wasn't true. That it wasn't just an accident caused by pilot error, that was my immediate feeling.

Now that's a feeling. Now I can either trust that feeling or I can dismiss that feeling and mistrust that feeling. Now if I trust that feeling I will often do things or say things based on my trust of the feeling. If I mistrust the feeling often I am silent so I won't say anything about it.

Now it's like this with many of you in our interactions with emotions. I feel an emotion from you enter me and I trust that I can feel that emotion coming from you. Now that only occurs after lots and lots of your own emotional release. So when I began this process I didn't trust any of my own emotions. But after a while what happened was I learnt to release an emotion and then I realised that once I released that emotion I can feel that emotion in any other person. Once I've released it in myself and no longer have a judgement of it inside of myself I can now feel that emotion inside the other person who I'm relating too. And then, through a series of events, I come to trust that that's the truth.

Can you see that trust is something that is built by past experience? So in other words I come to trust something because of a past experience with it. By the way mistrust is the same; I come to mistrust it because of past experiences, and often we bring the past experiences into the present when it comes to trust. Now trust is something that is built over time through past experiences. Faith you can begin with, with no past experience at all. And that's a very big difference between the two qualities. [01:55:28.00]

Faith is something about the future and I can begin at this point by trusting. So I can have a trust inside of myself that God is actually a totally punishing God. So in other words I believe that with all my heart that God's a punishing God. But someone comes along and tells me that actually God's not a punishing God, God's a loving God. So I can have this feeling of mistrust within myself about God right at this moment but at the same time have faith that God's not like that. Because one is about the future, about me coming to see some things in the future, the other is about what's happening for me right now from my past.

So as I trust, I am going to very much base my trust on past events, but my faith doesn't have to be based on past events. I can establish faith about things in the future just by imagining; like we just did earlier, just imagining that you're without fear. What does that do inside of myself? Do any of us really believe we're going to get to that place? Now some of us feel like, "Oh yeah I want to get to that place." We have a hope we're going to get to that place, we have faith that we'll get to that place if we deal with a lot of emotions that prevent it. But we don't know we're going to be at that place until we're at that place. So there's a time when faith transfers into knowing or knowledge. And when I say knowledge, I'm not talking about intellectual knowledge; I'm talking about the fact that I can do it now.

So in other words many of you have faith that you can levitate your body. None of you have done it yet, I gather, because I'd like to see you do it if you can, because I'd like to learn how to do it myself. So none of you at the moment can levitate your body actually, but you have a faith perhaps that you might be able to in the future. But when you actually physically do it, do you need faith in it anymore? No. Faith then is transferred into actual reality. So I now have done it. So we only need faith for the period of when we haven't done it and we leading to a point where we do complete it.

So for example the Wright brothers when they produced the aircraft that flew, the one that is recorded in history as the first one flying, what happened is they had to have faith that they could actually do it. They trusted a lot of their past engineering experience and a lot of aerodynamic type work that they'd done; they trusted all their past stuff and that caused them to have a faith that they could produce a machine based on all of this past stuff that would give them the ability to fly in the future. And then the moment they first flew, what do you think they felt besides euphoria? They felt now they knew they had done it. Now no longer faith was needed, now there was, "I know now." Now there's knowledge. So the two qualities of faith and trust are very important in your progression but of the two I feel faith is the greatest motivator. [01:59:07.19]

Passionately Desiring Positive Change: Session 2 Part 2

How's everyone feeling? The faith thing is really good, isn't it? It's a very powerful thing to remember. What's kept me going because for a lot of my own progression I've been totally alone, in the sense of no one able to help me, no one able to tell me what's sort of wrong inside of me emotionally and no one being able to help me what's wrong in terms of where I'm out of harmony with love and things like that, aside from my connection with God. So what I've had to do is have a lot of faith that if I just keep processing, keep working my way through these issues, keep acting in harmony with love, everything will come out in the end. I'll be able to find out what's going on with myself in the end. So that's been something that's been very, very important to me. And you'll find very important to your own progression as well.

Faith also is not easily shaken. See a lot of people feel that faith is something that is very indeterminate and without any power. The reality is that true faith cannot be really shaken. So no matter how many people I've had tell me that I'm an idiot for doing what I'm doing and I'm an idiot for saying what I'm saying and things like that, right from family, friends and pretty much all of my friends that I have now, I didn't have about five years ago - all of them changed.

So if your faith is easily shaken you would not keep going under those circumstances, would you? You'd just give up and say, "Oh I've had enough this, it's all too hard." Whereas a faith that's real doesn't easily give up. You look at all the people who have ever been leaders in their field, in the forefront of their field, right the way through history, they've always had lots and lots of people ostracise them and criticise them and ridicule them and tell them that they're stupid and that they had the wrong motives and everything else and yet they continued doing what they did. And the only reason why that is, is because they had faith that it would all come out in the end. And quite often the very people who ridicule you, a year or two later are the same people who love you. That's something for you to remember when you get ridiculed. (Laughs)

You see you imagine if you're the first member of your entire family to get to Divine Truth and you work through a lot of things yourself with regard to Divine Truth and you've gone through lots of opposition and you've had to work your way through all those issues and later down the track they all start hearing the Divine Truth for themselves at the soul level, do you think they're going to go, "Oh yeah, you should never of done that in the first place"? Of course they're not going to. They're going to say to you, "That's wonderful that you did what you did and you stood up for your faith and you stood up for what you believed was right at the time because if you hadn't have, then where would I be now? I would be in this place where I would never have heard the truth either." So there is just this really beautiful thing that comes out from you having faith and this next quality, courage, as well.

5. Courage is required for passionately desiring positive change

Let's talk about courage. Courage is one of those qualities that we often use on the planet in a very negative connotation. So in other words it's like, "He went to war and he had courage." Whereas actually I feel a person who's gone to war has not really demonstrated a huge amount of courage by even going to war; it's not harmonious with Divine Love or Truth at least. Courage itself is a very important quality in your progression. Without it, you will often succumb to firstly either your own weaknesses or the weaknesses of the environment that get projected upon you and then determine your actions.

5.1. Courage involves inner strength

So firstly courage is something that is an inner strength but it comes not always from within, in the sense that you can have courage, particularly when you know other people are supporting you.

So for example yesterday one of the audience members said that she wanted to go jumping out of a plane.

Participant: I booked it.

Mary: Awesome. There's action.

There's action there, that's awesome.

Participant: There are four of us going.

So there's four of you going. Awesome. It's going to be pretty weird, isn't it? Anyway so you've had the feeling of courage but remember what you said? You said, "I would like to do it with three other people so that I feel locked into it." Now that's no longer courage anymore. You follow me? Like what's happening there is no longer is it courage anymore it's now camaraderie that's helping you get through that particular thing. Having people with you.

Participant: I felt like it's because I'm committed then.

Ah but commitment is not courage. This is what I'm trying to point out to you. So while you do feel committed to doing it, that doesn't necessarily mean at this point that you have courage in doing it because if you feel about it, it's like all the bowels turn to water almost. That's how it feels, so the reality is that the emotion of courage is yet to be present there.

Now obviously courage is very much assisted by other people doing the same thing as you. So in other words if you're the only person in this entire audience who has to own up to an emotion, now that's pretty hard isn't it? It means getting hold of the microphone, everybody else in the room potentially judging you and so forth. So that's one thing, but if you know that there are fifty other people in the audience having the same feeling, now it's a lot easier to demonstrate some courage.

So in the end the type of courage we want is that if I am the only person I will still do it.

Mary: Personally I think there are a lot of people in this audience who have some of that courage because a lot of you are the only people in your family who are doing it and there's a lot of pressure in that.

So already you are demonstrating a degree of courage because a lot of times you are getting pressure from family, pressure from friends, people going, "Oh he's a bit of an idiot. What's going on there?" and all this projection coming at you from all these different areas. And not only projection but many of you have started to also experience the behind the scenes manipulation that goes on inside of a family in order to break your courage down and get you back to where you were. So that is also happening for many too, this behind the scenes manipulation to get everything back to the status quo. In the end the kind of courage that we want is the kind of courage where not another person on this planet needs to agree with me but I will still do it. Now most people on the planet would call that stupidity (Laughter) but that's the kind of courage we're going to need in our progression towards God.

5.2. Gaining courage by releasing fear and desiring to act in harmony with love

The question then becomes how do I get that courage? There's basically two ways. One is by releasing your fears. Do you remember how to release your fear? It's not by just feeling it. Because what is fear? False Expectations Appearing Real. Fear is the False Expectations Appearing Real to you so how can you also help release your fear? What I can do is correct it with truth. So I have to come to face the truth emotionally inside of myself and that will help me correct a lot of my fears. So that's one aspect of courage. As you release fear and you do that by allowing yourself to confront and feel about the truth, as you release the fear and the fear lessens, obviously your courage will increase. So you have more courage.

But that is not the only thing that's going to help you because in the end if you release all your fears and you get all the truth, you might not necessarily still have all the courage you need. The reason why is that there's this aspect of courage related to love and not just truth. This is something that I often feel about myself and think about is that even if what I'm doing doesn't feel to be the truth to anybody else, is this thing that I'm doing based on a loving act or desire within myself? And it's my attachment to love that helps me have courage.

Mary: If you desire to love enough, that will give you the courage to face whatever it is, even if you're the only person with that desire in that situation.

So for me courage is also not just about the truth and knowing the truth and feeling about the truth but there are times in your progression where you don't know the truth but you often do know what love would do in that situation. So you might not know the truth but you know that you getting angry, for example, is not loving. So you might be getting angry about a thing that you think is true. But you know that the anger itself is unloving so you have to have the courage to feel what's underneath the anger rather than project it out at the universe and what gives me that courage is do I want to be loving in this moment or not. [00:14:58.19]

So for me one thing that I focus on is being loving. If you love and you're actually desiring love in every aspect of your life, now you can stay firm about what you know to be love within yourself no matter what happens around you. So there are times inside of myself that I am shaking with fear but I still go ahead and do the loving thing.

Mary: Can I add to that as well from my own point of view, often on this path I've realised that I have a fear. For example I've got a fear of being in truth with my family or I've got a fear of jumping out of an aeroplane or whatever. And I go okay I'm going to confront the fear, I'm going to do this. But where I've fallen down in the past especially in relationships is that I've gone, "Right I'm going to do it, I know what the right thing is to do and I'm going to do it," but because I haven't kept love in mind, love of myself and love of everyone in the interaction I haven't been vulnerable emotionally. I've dragged myself through it and gone, "This is the truth and that's how it is and I'm going." (Laughter) And really it's almost a wasted thing. The real fear was around the vulnerability and being loving to myself in that situation. So that's where the true courage comes. Not when I grab myself by the ponytail and drag myself through my fear, but when I have enough love for myself to feel my emotions while it's happening, that's been a really powerful thing for me to understand.

Yeah. So what Mary was saying is really important to understand is that you can be courageous even when you're full of fear as long as love is the motivating factor for you. When you're at-one with God you now know the full truth so there is no fear but ironically at that point you are also the most courageous, not just because you are now in a state of truth, but because you're now in a state of perfected love. So if you focus on the love part of courage, it will help you do what needs to be done to help you confront different emotions. [00:17:46.07]

So often times like I feel like, "Alright I'm feeling a bit frustrated here. Frustration is anger. Anger means that I am now avoiding an emotion. Therefore I'm lacking the courage to actually allow myself to feel the emotion. Why is that? Why am I willing to be unloving in this manner towards myself or, if I'm angry with others, towards others?" If I focus on this quality of love and how that will affect my courage, then I will always be able to maintain my courage even though I'm in a state of fear, even though I don't really feel like I have the inner strength to go through it. And this is where a lot of reliance on God comes in.

Now we'll have a talk in the future about God reliance in terms of the whole subject. But if you can see that if I am reliant on God enough to trust that if I am loving in all places and at all times what's going to happen is every single thing within me is going to be released at some point, then what I will do is I'll have the courage to face the fearful circumstances that come up every time; issues of truth are confronted or every time, issues with my family are confronted or every time, issues with authority are confronted or whatever it is that I'm afraid of, I will maintain this courage, this courageous state within myself. Now for many people they realise that if you have fear, then you can't have much courage but they don't realise that you can still have fear and as long as you focus on the love part that's related to courage, you will be able to get through any fear.

And what I'm noticing a lot lately is that many who are progressing on the Divine Love Path are struggling with their fear. And the reason why we are struggling with our fear is firstly because we are not facing the fact that actually we can be courageous because love is always going to be the best possible action to take in any situation, and therefore we will get through any fear if we focus on that. So a lot of times we spend a lot of our emotional energy focused on something, and a lot of times it's the focus that we have on our fear rather than on the positive aspects of our own progression. And remember how can we passionately desire positive change within us if we're focusing on the negative of the change? It's going to be very difficult to be passionately desirous of something that's going to happen positively in the end if I'm focused all the time on the negative.

Now one way we can help re-jig our focus is by firstly in every situation focusing on what would love do. Even good enough would be - what would my current understanding of love do, from an intellectual perspective? What would my current understanding of love do in this situation? And down the track you may find that current understanding had further learning to do, that's fine, act in harmony with what you feel love would do right at the moment and have the courage to follow through on it because you love the whole concept of love. [00:21:27.23]

5.3. Determination versus courage

Participant: I'm just trying to follow through a little bit on what Mary was saying. What came to mind was determination, and I was trying to work out where that fitted in, in terms of courage. And when you said love, I realised that I have quite a lot of determination but I also have a lot of struggle with my determination. I could see that my focus was on I'll get it done, or I'll do it no matter what. And because it wasn't focused on being that vulnerable I got fixed on the "I'm going to get it done" bit and I missed the point of it. So when I did actually achieve what I was aiming for and this was before I went on this path, I didn't have a sense of, "Wow I've done it." It was more like, "Okay I got through that."

I got through that.

Participant: Yeah and people often said, "Well you were courageous" and I often felt, "Well not really." And now it's sort of clicked into place that this big element of love which I have found that I started to ask when I'm in a difficult situation, "What is the most loving thing to do?" and I sometimes don't know. And I'll go, "Okay, let's try it this way," and it's not always the most loving thing to do, but it's closer. And I've been in a very vulnerable position of not knowing and hoping that I wasn't doing more damage. But having followed through it with that hope that it wasn't wrong, even if I started off very wobbly as maybe not quite so loving it turns out quite loving because I carried through being vulnerable with it.

Mary: Exactly. As long as you're humble on this path, you're going to get to love in the end. As long as you're willing to look at yourself and willing to feel your emotion and you are striving to be loving, you're going to get there.

And it's a good illustration too about determination. You see often we can heavy ourselves through lots of different things, but that's not loving to myself. So straight away I'm out of harmony with love. That's not the same thing as courage, that's just determination and brow beating yourself into submission, and that's not a very loving thing to do to yourself even if no one else is involved. [00:24:03.27]

Participant: Yeah and since I'm beginning to really feel rather than know more what loving means to myself, which has been the biggest problem, I could see what I did in the past with all my achievements, they were very unloving and I would never do them again. Maybe I would strive for the same thing but totally differently.

In a different manner.

Participant: Yeah. My focus would be very different you know. So being loving in all of this has been very important, and Mary's suggestion when she gave that illustration just hit it on the nail for me, so thank you, Mary.

See she often does that and doesn't realise it.

Participant: I've heard a lot of people say that.

And then she just told me don't make a fuss about it.

5.4. An example of a participant receiving opposition speaking truth

Participant: The other day I was so passionate about God and I thought, God is everything and He's loving and I didn't have much fear then and I said to a lady, "I don't know if it's loving to give a drug to a cancer patient because God is everything. God never gives pain that we can't handle and that's the result of the Law of Attraction." I said that comment in a group of Divine Love people, and everybody else was sort of against me. "Oh no, no it's not, you don't understand." And I was so hit by the fear to trust about loving things about God it's still stuck in me and I don't know how to process this emotion. Maybe I wanted everyone to agree with me and I wanted to say the truth but I can't say the truth.

Were you surrounded by women or men? Or was there a mixture?

Participant: Mixture, mostly women.

Mostly women.

Participant: Yeah. And the words I see on the whiteboard are love and truth and courage, and I saw that, but I don't think I have it yet. My feeling towards it have become anger, listen to me this is the truth, why does nobody understand me? My partner Ken was with me. I thought everybody else was against me but Ken would agree with me, but he was other side for one or two hours and then he started sort of, "Oh I now understand things." But this thing has happened many times before if I say something, everyone's against me.

So that's a Law of Attraction event for yourself to look at, in terms of what's happening and why are people against you for saying truth. So when you say truth, oftentimes people are against you because of the other emotions you have of a fear of their response. So you're very afraid.

6. We are creators of our own pain

Can I just correct one thing you said though? "God never gives us a pain we can't bear." You hear this statement quite a lot. Can I just correct that and say God never gives you any pain, ever. [00:28:07.25]

Participant: Oh so we made it.

Exactly. We made the pain that we are in. And this is a very powerful thing to understand when you start looking at the physical pain you experience. God never gave you any of it. We give it to ourselves by breaking God's Law, by making the choice to break God's Law in some why.

So for say a cancer patient, who's if they're near the end of their life and in a large deal of pain, a large deal of pain was created by themselves and some of the emotion that they're holding onto within themselves. Now I'm not saying to not have compassion for that because it's very important to have compassion for other people's pain. Otherwise you'd have no compassion for anybody because almost everybody is in pain at some point. So I'm not saying don't have compassion for a person's pain but I am saying that there needs to be an understanding inside of each person if they really want to grow spiritually and positively that "my pain is actually my creation". If it wasn't then it would be somebody else's creation. So the truth is that all pain that we experience is a creation at some level of our own.

Now I'm not saying and this is going to sound quite strange, but let's take it to the full degree. Let's say I was sexually abused as a child, how does this apply that my pain is part of my creation? Well I may have been sexually abused as a child but now that I'm an adult I have chosen to hold on to the pain of that childhood experience. So I didn't create the pain in my childhood, it was my parents or environment that created it, but the fact that I'm now in pain is the result of my holding on to it, so it is still partly my creation because I'm holding on to it and not releasing it.

6.1. Fear creates our pain

The truth is that you'll get to the point eventually where someone can actually harm your physical body, you'll feel a bit of pain in your body but after a while you'll even be able to detune from that pain itself due to what's going on inside of your soul because all pain actually is a result of fear at one level or another.

Now it's very interesting to experiment with this if you want to try. If you are afraid of getting a deep tissue massage or something, what you do is you go along and get somebody to give you a deep tissue massage in one area of your body. Let's say it's your back and you get someone really digging in. Allow yourself to experience the pain, like allow yourself to actually tune in and experience the pain.

Mary: So that means you keep breathing and you don't brace.

So you breathe and you try to remain relaxed while this pain is going on. But you know what we do when we tense up? That's the fear in operation. So you need to stay relaxed, feel the pain, breathe, feel the pain, breathe, feel the pain, breathe. What you'll find happens is you'll go through this barrier and into a state where the person is still doing the deep tissue massage but you will not experience any pain from it. And that will demonstrate to you that actually all pain is the result of fear. All pain we experience is a result of fear.

So it's very important to understand that when we make the statement, "God never gives us too much pain that we can't bear or something to that effect", what we're really saying is that God is to blame for our pain or God was the creator of our pain, and that is a total untruth. It is our own desire to oppose God's Laws at some level that create our pain.

So for example someone comes up and murders you. (Laughter)

Participant: You're the only one that's experienced that.

Well no, there are heaps of spirits here who've experienced that so I'm not the only one here who's experienced it. But someone comes up and murders you and there are a heap of people affected by that murder left here on the Earth. Now every one of those people would feel a degree of emotional pain. Why are they experiencing the pain? Because there is something inside of themselves that is disharmonious with love that creates that pain. In the end you can actually go through a murder experience of your own partner, for example, and not feel any pain as a result of the experience. Now obviously to do that we need to get into a state where we've dealt with lots of our fear because it's only our fear that actually creates the pain.

So up until the state where we're at-one with God, below that state basically we're going to have some fear left in us so therefore there's always going to be some pain associated with our life in some degree. As soon as I enter that at-onement state there is now no longer any fear left within me. So in that state now there is also not going to be any pain possible for me to experience, of any type - emotional, physical or any type. And what will happen is you'll feel it happen but all of a sudden you're allowing every emotion to pass through you and every experience becomes pleasant, believe it or not.

Mary: So AJ you're saying in that state there would be no grief at all, even if it just passed through you?

There'd be no grief at all within the person. So any person who's been murdered often leaves a lot of grieving people left on Earth and every one of those people is experiencing their own pain about their own false beliefs about love. Because remember anytime I'm in pain I am not in harmony with love. Anytime. Emotionally or physically, if I'm in pain I'm not in harmony with love.

6.2. Pain is an indication that we are out of harmony with love

So if that's the case then what we need to do is every time I feel pain at some level, like emotional pain, physical pain, it doesn't matter - any pain at some level, I know there's something out of harmony with love. So at the moment I've got a pain in my left shoulder, and that's about some area that I'm out of harmony with love. I've got this really strong pain across my left ribs, almost like a torn muscle type feeling across here that's preventing my breathing. That's something out of harmony with love.

If I start from that awareness then I can pray about it. But if I go, "Let's go and take a pill, a pain killer," what am I really trying to do? I'm trying to get away from the fact that I'm out of harmony with love. I'm making an active choice to actually do that.

6.3. An example of helping a cancer patient

Now so therefore Hiroko's statement to the group is true; that actually giving a cancer patient a drug is not necessarily a loving thing to do. Particularly to force them to have it is not a necessarily loving thing to do. And in fact it creates lots of other problems in their body. However the problem also is that a person who has cancer, to the point where they're in so much pain, is obviously in huge emotional denial. So at some point we've got to balance in our compassion, we've got to balance what's going on for them. [00:36:51.19]

Now if I were a person who was trying to nurture a person who's a cancer patient, in terms of through the last days of their life, I'd be asking myself the question, does this person really want to deal with this emotion? Now if they did I would be perfectly happy to try to assist them in any way I could both to alleviate the pain and suffering, which by the way remember is caused by their fear. So how would I alleviate it? By helping them deal with their fear and I would also be very, very happy to help them with the actual cancer problem itself, which is related to an issue with regard to an emotion that they need to be willing to deal with.

But if the person was just projecting at me, "You've got to fix me, you've got to make this right, you've got to take away my pain," well actually that person is projecting exactly those emotions at God many times and does God do that? No. Well if God doesn't do that, why would I then choose to do it myself? I'm basically saying to myself that actually I know better than God about how to deal with this particular issue.

6.4. Addressing the cause of pain rather than the effects

This is where a lot of people get very confronted and you can understand why. I'm saying, "God doesn't do it, so should I? My Celestial spirit friends don't do it, so should I?" When I'm in a place of love will I do it? When I'm in a place of at-onement with God and at-onement with truth, at-onement with love, will I do what they're expecting of me? The answer is no. Because God doesn't do it and the Celestial spirits don't do it, they're all in a place of harmony with Divine Love in their at-onement with God so I wouldn't do it even if I were on Earth here.

Now can you see how confronting that's going to be? A person knowing that you have the power through this connection with God to heal them and yet you cannot do it because of the choices that they are making in disharmony with love and because of the fact that God doesn't even do it.

So does God have the power right now to totally wipe out all of your ailments and illnesses? Does he physically have the power? Yes is the answer. The question then has to be asked, is God the most loving being in the universe? Do we believe that? Well God, the most loving being in the universe...

Mary: Not everyone in this audience believes that.

Not everyone in the audience believes it but let's go with that. God, the most loving being in the universe, doesn't wipe out your pain willy-nilly. Why?

Participant: Because the pain is the effect of a cause.

The pain is the effect of a cause that it is created from within ourselves. To wipe out the effect of the pain would actually cause us to do things that are disharmonious with love even more. So God doesn't do it.

Now the question I need to always ask myself is, why then do I do it? Most of the time we have deep fears going on and deep feelings going on. One of my deep fears is when I see somebody who is in a place of distress, I just feel like I want to help them get out of that distress. My fear is seeing them in the distress. And you'll probably relate to that if you see a car accident or something and all of a sudden experience the feeling of distress.

Now there's a whole different feeling between compassion for a person's circumstance and actually trying to alleviate the effects of their situation without addressing the causes. Now I would feel perfectly comfortable helping them with the cause of the issue, as would God. But a lot of the times what I finish up doing is I want to address the effects because I think this is cruel. Where they're in is very cruel and very sad and everything else but we're not addressing the cause. This is something that we need to also address at some point in the future when we talk about cause and effect.

But when it comes back to our discussion about desiring positive change, what we need to do is look at why do we assist people including ourselves to avoid the cause of our own illnesses and pains and problems? And the real reason is because we don't desire positive change. What we want is a quick fix. We want someone to come along and wipe it all clean for us so we have a clean state to start again but without learning anything in the process. That's what we want many times. [00:41:55.27]

Participant: What I feel is difficult is how to diagnose to what level they want to address the cause rather than the disease itself. How do you do that and how long do you give them to address the cause before you go back to compassion, not healing? We need to be pretty developed do we not to be able to feel if they are really going to address it or just say they are?

I always go back again to what does God do. So what does God do? What is God doing in this situation right now? I try to stay sensitive to what God is doing with this person. So if I'm having the conversation with them and all of a sudden their pain is lessening, then I know that actually there is some kind of recognition of an emotion going on in here, there's some kind of change happening with them and God is lessening their pain through that process. So I know I can continue helping them. But if all of a sudden their pain intensifies, now I know their fear is intensifying. Now I've got to ask myself the question do I want to help them deal with their fear. "Do you want to deal with your fear?" And if I start talking to them about their fear and then their pain lessens then I know they do want to deal with some of that fear so I keep talking. I keep trying to help. But if the pain doesn't lessen then I know straight away there's a resistance to your fear here and you don't want to deal with that. What can I do? There's nothing I can do now that's in harmony with love.

Most people who are in a lot of pain want you to cure their pain but they don't want you to help them cure the cause of their pain. And what we want to do in our own progression towards God is we want to address the real issues. The real issue is the cause of our pain. What's really creating it, the creation that we have manifested within ourselves, by our denial of something within ourselves about love? That's what we need to do; to see it as an opportunity. So I see this physical pain that I'm in right now as an opportunity. [00:44:25.26]

6.5. Examples of AJ's physical pain with different emotions

Sometimes I feel a bit self-punishing, I go, and "Here I go again." You know how many times in the last month I've said to Mary, "Yeah, I've got a dead left arm again." It sometimes feels like someone has punched me in the arm. You know when someone came along when you were a child at school and punched you in the arm and it went dead and there's this ache in it? That's how my arm feels in cycles. So the last two days now it's been feeling like someone's punched me in the arm, it's just like, "Argh." And I'm walking around going, "Okay there's something about women, I've got no idea what it is and I'm avoiding it and I'm not loving myself." And then of course there's this tendency to get down on myself, "Aren't I stupid, what's going on with me?" You need to get out of all that place and get into the place of, "Okay what's this about? This is about something that's going on right now," and when I allow myself to feel about it and feel about women in the interactions I'm having with them and so forth, then I start feeling what the arm is about.

What is this pain in my left ribs about? Well that came on two nights ago and I know what brought that on; my denial of a whole heap of sadness related to my relationship with God. We've been talking for the last two days and I haven't had the opportunity to deal with it. Or I could say that I didn't have the guts to cancel the last two days, which is probably what I should have done if I loved myself, and focused on this emotion.

Now my feelings are I'd disappoint, and I said to Mary, "Oh you know I'd just disappoint two hundred people who've made plans for the weekend and I don't want to do that." And that was more important to me than my love of myself, which is actually a part of my problem. So how can I then say, "Oh it's all your fault I've got all this pain and please take it away from me," when in reality I created it by holding on to the emotion? So I've got to work through the issue emotionally of why am I doing that? And when I do that, everything starts working out. I start feeling what love is all about for myself as well.

Mary: I was just thinking that you and I are pretty funny. This is very stereotypical now but I've worked with lots of old people and often what they can tell you about a catalogue of hurts and sometimes I think that AJ and I are kind of like this old couple, "Oh I've got this thing in my back and..." (Laughter) But instead of talking about the medications we take we go, "Okay it's on this side. What was I thinking about? What have you got going on?" Because since I've started this path everything's collapsed. (Laughter) It comes back.

It's interesting that before you start the path you feel quite good in your body, but that's because you're in total denial of its pain most of the time and then you start becoming aware of its pain and then it's painful everywhere. Like what I do with that? (Laughter)

Mary: Yep. But it's pretty amazing - I haven't had asthma very badly for like years and about three weeks ago, it just hit me. I couldn't breathe; I was waking up in the night in total, total, asthma. I dealt with some fear and it's all gone, like just like that.

So as the emotions rise in you your body pains will change. So a lot of people look upon body pain as a sign that a person is not spiritual. If you're in pain physically then there is something going wrong spiritually. Well there is something going on spiritually and a lot of times what it is, is a growing awareness within you of an emotion that you're still denying the experience of.

So when you start on the Divine Love path sometimes you feel quite good physically then all of a sudden because of a growing awareness within you some emotion starts to arise within you and because I now want to suppress that emotion, which I've done most of my life with it but now I've got an awareness of it, I can't suppress it as well as I could before. So what finishes up happening is my body starts creating the pain, indicating that I need to release this.

So I've been through lots and lots of physical pain through the process. So while my body looks quite healthy, I've had to deal with lots of pain. There was one time I remember I think I told you about where I was just laying on a couch for three weeks with a feeling of somebody kicking me in the balls every single moment for three weeks. And I'd just lay there. And I remember once John rang me and I had to get to the phone so I go down on the floor and I crawl across the floor and pick up the phone and then just lay on the floor while I'm talking to him and then he says, "What's going on with you?" and I said, "Oh I just feel like I've been kicked in the balls, you know." (Laughter) And then he rings a week later, "What's going on with you?" "Oh I still feel like..." and it's just my denial of an emotion.

Once I actually work my way through the emotion itself then the feeling just goes. It's totally gone. So I've had times where I've worked through this emotion with my shoulder and within a moment it's just totally free again, easy, fine to feel, everything. You will go through cycles where one day you're constipated and the next day you've got diarrhoea and the next day, you'll go to the doctor again but you don't often need to. But I'm not saying don't care for yourself. So there are times when you know something is wrong with your body and you want to buy yourself some time to deal with the emotion if you can. So under those circumstances that's where medicine comes in handy. Because you can buy yourself some time to actually work your way through the emotion. But it's pointless using the medicine and then not working your way through the emotion. [00:50:46.07]

Mary: Because we've got a backlog. There's a backlog of emotion that we haven't dealt with so when it all starts coming up it can get intense.

7. Emotions are frozen within us from our childhood

One thing I need to talk about is how we have frozen emotions at different ages. One thing you need to remember is that if I'm passionately desiring to deal with my emotion, what's going to happen is I'm going to access emotion at the age that it was locked up inside of me emotionally.

So let's say when I was five I got abused sexually but what happened was I was taken out of body by some spirits so I didn't have to feel a lot of what was happening to my body. But when I came back into my body there was all of the results of the abuse in my body that made me feel disgusting and shameful and so forth. But I went to mummy to talk to mummy about that and she shut me down and she told me, "No it didn't happen, grow up. If you come and talk to me again about it I'll give you a belting." So in that place now I've locked up that shame and I've locked up that feeling of just dirty and disgusting feeling. But it's a five-year-old emotion. In other words it happened when I was five and it's going to be locked up at that age, inside of me, like a frozen piece of emotion inside of me.

And then let's say when I was seven another event happened, where the emotion got locked up. At that time I was seven years of age and it was all locked up inside of me, unexpressed. Now some of it might have gotten expressed but some of it not. Now you can see that as I go back dealing with my emotion, as I'm focusing on desiring this change inside of me, I'll start accessing these events and you're going to feel that age as you do it because the emotion is in that age.

When we experience a locked up emotion as an adult (right) we will feel the age we were when it entered us e.g. five (left) or seven (middle) years of age

7.1. We only have memories from when our brain was sufficiently developed to process information

Why I wanted to raise this is a lot of people say to me, "Oh I had this emotional experience where I was in my mother's womb and I had this feeling and that feeling going on," and I'm thinking to myself, "This is not good." Why am I feeling this? Let's put us down into the womb for a moment. Do you have any conscious recollection of being in the womb? You don't, do you? Do you even have a conscious recollection of when you were one? Most of us don't. It's by the time we start to get to two we start to have our earliest memories a lot of the time, and by three we start to remember a few things and so forth. That's because of the development of our brain and a lot of other factors.

Now if a person is telling me about a womb-based emotion, how do they know it's a womb-based emotion? The answer is there's no way you could know it's a womb-based emotion without somebody else telling you. Who would tell you? Only a spirit will tell you. Why would they tell you? To get you out of the emotion. See a lot of times people say, "Oh I had this womb-based experience that was wonderful and we went through this re-birthing process. Why do you think re-birthing processes are so much connected with past life regressions? Because they're spirit driven.

So what happens is when you feel these womb-based emotions you will not have an intellectual recollection of it usually until after the experience and only if you have some spirits with you telling you what it was about. And often they're telling us what it's about because actually when we're going through it we have these huge emotions about them and we want to know what it's about because we feel quite distressed. So of course a spirit comes along and says, "I'll make you less distressed, I'll make you less distressed, here you go, this is what it's about. You don't have to worry about that because this is what it's about."

The truth is that actually as you go back you'll get to a point as you're dealing with emotion where you're only feeling the emotion. And there won't be these like recollections of, "Oh in the womb my mum did this that and this happened and that happened." That usually finishes up coming from a spirit telling you.

Mary: So AJ you're saying we don't have a conscious memory, we have an emotion within us...

Always the emotion.

Mary: Yep and so we would have a sensory sort of feeling around it.

All feelings.

Mary: Yep. But it wouldn't be a cognitive recollection.

No not a cognitive. Some people come up and tell me this long story of all the things that happened in their mum's womb. And I'm going, yeah how did you find out all that? Somebody had to tell you. So obviously if it's not your mum who told you that then it has to be a spirit. Somebody had to tell you what was going on because at that time your brain wasn't even developed enough to have the cognition to even know what was going on. You only had feelings.

So you'll get to the stage where you're prepared to just feel these feelings without knowing what they are. And a lot of those kinds of feelings are related to times when you were under two years of age. And you'll be able to feel those feelings and release them and be completely content with not knowing what they are. And if you desire positive change you won't be always projecting at a spirit, "Please tell me, please tell me, please let me know what this is about so that I don't have to feel it completely." That's really what you're saying. "Please tell me what it's about so that I can understand it." And the truth is you don't have to understand it, you just need to feel it and it will be gone. [00:57:14.21]

8. Determining the cause of physical ailments

8.1. An example of a participant with chronic fatigue

Participant: So for as long as I can remember I've had chronic fatigue. And I have been trying to intellectually work it out why I have it. I just feel exhausted all the time and my sisters pay me out: "Oh you're so lazy," and all this sort of thing. But it's because I am really tired and they just don't understand that. So but one thing I have noticed actually is when I'm actually following my desires I'm not tired.

Exactly.

Mary: Can you see the relationship? What's happening for the rest of the time? Whose desires are you following then?

Participant: Mine.

Who are you following when you have chronic fatigue?

Participant: Well I'm not following my desires.

So whose are you following?

Participant: Someone else's.

Someone else's?

Participant: Yeah.

Whose?

Participant: Maybe my mum's.

Exactly.

Participant: Okay. Because mum's got chronic fatigue too.

As well?

Participant: Yeah.

Interestingly enough. Chronic fatigue is a result actually of us hooking into what other people want from us and spending most of our life trying to give those things to them.

Mary: So you're giving out constantly.

You're giving out constantly, giving out constantly, giving out constantly to get and our addiction is what we're going to get in return. What do you get when you're giving out constantly? You maybe get approval, maybe acceptance. So what you've got to do is look at your addiction to it and why you're addicted to it. But chronic fatigue is actually the result of you giving out constantly to somebody because you want something in return that you're striving for. That you're giving out so much energy that there's none left for yourself even to maintain your own body anymore. So you're just tired all the time. This is why when you're in your own desires; you don't seem to have it. [00:59:22.29]

8.2. An example of a participant with psoriasis

Participant: And also another thing I have is psoriasis and my dad has that as well. It's actually in my ears now, it's been inside my ears for coming up to three years now and it's on my eyelids as well. So I'm just intellectually believing it's because I don't want to hear something and I don't want to see something. I've got it on my head as well and a lot of people actually don't realise unless I've got my hair up and you can see on the back of my ears. And I know you've said that skin things are to do with rage. So because my dad has it and my dad's mum has it as well, she's got it all over her body; raw itchy skin, completely covering her. I want to ask you because I don't want to feel it myself.

Mary: It's better if you feel it yourself.

Participant: Yeah. My skin is itchy all the time. What I used to do was actually scratch at it, like when if first started coming up, it started like a mosquito sized bite on the back of my scalp and then I would just scratch at it and it would keep spreading, so it was this raw, bleeding thing. I would scratch it at night time when I'm asleep as well and I'd wake up and there was like crusty blood on the back of my scalp. Now it's spread more but it's not that bad. So I came up with an idea to not touch my skin at all because I think I'd feel like I was going crazy because it's constantly itchy and hot and stuff as well. So I tried that for a little bit but didn't get very far.

Didn't get very far. So what do you do?

Participant: Well I'm just avoiding it right now. (Laughs)

Well this is the thing that you are really asking - what do you do to get rid of the problem? The issue you've got to think about yourself though is, "Alright, now my dad has that." Your mum had chronic fatigue and with this particular issue your dad has. So which side of your body is it occurring on mostly?

Participant: It's actually worse on my right side. It's on the back of my earlobe here but it's a symmetrical type thing, like whatever happens on one side generally...

Finishes up going to the other. What I do with a lot of the things that I don't know the answer to is I just feel into the pain of it. So what I do is I allow myself to feel the pain, like the pain that's in my arm. So I say, "Alright I'm in denial of something I don't have any idea what it is," and let myself feel into the pain of my arm. And as I feel into it, what happens is I start connecting to some sadness about it and things like that that start coming up and just allow myself to feel that sadness rise. And the pain itself, the sadness of the pain itself, I just allow myself to get into the sadness of the pain of what's going on with my arm. As I do that a lot of times, if I also have a longing to God to just help me through this process emotionally, I start to get into the feeling. Because you don't have to know intellectually what it's about. What you need to do is process the emotion of what it's about. [01:03:24.13]

So what I do is I just settle into that pain and settle into the feeling of always being in pain in my arm. As I'm doing that now, my emotions start coming up of sadness, just start rising within me about how painful that is. And what I do is I just allow that to go deeper and deeper and deeper until I'm actually in a grieving place. And ironically I can feel all that. As soon as I did that with you just now, I feel a lot less pain in my arm that I've been feeling right up to that moment.

8.3. An example of back and neck pain

Participant: I also have back pain all the time and neck pain as well and I've tried doing that and I just instead of trying to ignore it, which does not work, I sit with it and sort of focus on one area of that pain. Say it's in my lower back and then the pain just sort of goes a bit, which is weird but I don't necessarily actually get into an emotion either.

If it keeps recurring then you're not getting into the cause. My suggestion is to go deeper. So with my shoulder, it keeps recurring, so what I do there is I just go into the emotion of it, like I just showed you and eventually I start crying about it. Then usually after I'm crying about it, feelings arise within me about what it's actually about. It feels to me like it's about taking responsibility for women's emotion at the moment. So I just trust that and then I allow myself to connect with when I've done that and how I've done that and what I do when I do that and how I deny myself when I do that and all those kind of emotions that are associated with it.

8.4. An example of itchy eyes

Mary: I have different itching things that happen and I just notice what was happening right about the time I got really itchy. Like my eyes itch and I used to have it really chronically as a kid, and that just reoccurred for me recently.

Participant: I also have that as well.

Mary: Yep and once I started to just observe what emotion I was going through at the time that they started to itch, it was incredible. That particular thing was about me judging myself and once I figured it out, once I had the realisation, then every time I would get an itchy eye I'd just go, "Oh my gosh I'm doing it again," and it was an avoidance actually of feeling other stuff.

So I would say to Mary at that time, "At the moment you're itching your eyes because you're wanting to avoid the underlying emotion that the itchy eyes is actually covering. While you're itching your eyes you're actually in the panic of avoiding the underlying emotion. You need to actually allow yourself to stop doing that and feel what's this underlying emotion." For Mary a lot of times it's been some sexual shame or something like that, and judgement of herself. So she feels some sexual shame, doesn't want to feel that emotion, feels judgemental of herself for not doing it, for not getting it right or whatever and then straight away into the itchy eyes. And so you can reverse the situation quite a lot.

A lot of itchiness is about anger towards yourself or towards others and a lot of it is anger towards yourself, and bites as well by the way. [01:06:51.15]

Participant: Yeah I get bitten a lot.

What happens is there's a lot of anger usually towards yourself so there's a lot of self-judgement going on there, so again look at those issues emotionally.

8.5. Getting massages

Participant: Well that's interesting then thinking of my grandma because she's got psoriasis all over her body. I was also going to ask with the back pain is it avoiding my emotions if I was to get like a deep tissue massage?

See again it depends on your intention. A lot of people go to get a massage because they want to be relieved of the pain.

Participant: Yeah because that's what I used to do.

So if that's your intention then of course that's not really going to deal with the cause. But if your cause is while you're getting the massage to actually feel the pain and start crying while you're on the table while you're getting a massage, which not many people finish up doing, then that's a great thing to do.

So the other week I went along and had a massage, we have a massage therapist across the road from us in the middle of nowhere, it's great actually. So what I did was went along to the massage and she started massaging all my chest region and I was just crying and crying. Even though I was getting condescension projected at me from everyone that was there, I still allowed myself to continue to cry and just allowed whatever it is to come up, to come up and eventually I connected with what the emotion is. So again it depends on your intention, Arvana.

9. Closing words

We both love you very much and we both feel quite strongly that many of you are in a state where you're coming up to your core emotions but feeling quite confronted with those emotions and the process of those emotions. Many of you are feeling quite depressed and down at times. A lot of that is because of some heavy spirit influence that is occurring at the moment in terms of wanting people to stop their processing work.

So I would just like to encourage you to continue to have faith and to look sincerely at the emotions that cause you to be hooked into spirits and their projections at you and try to work your way through those with a lot of prayer with God. Because this is the time that many people walk away. There's been thousands and thousands of people on Earth since I began this work this century who have heard this truth but the majority of them have gotten to a key point in their progression and walked away. The reason why is they get so challenged emotionally that they don't go beyond that particular point and they lose their faith. They lose their desire and their image of what will happen afterwards because of the trauma that they've experienced in the past.

My suggestion is to just remind yourself and allow yourself to have times where you just lay down perhaps and allow yourself to imagine what your life will be once you deal with these groups of emotions and allow yourself to develop your faith. Pray about faith. Pray, asking God to help you grow your faith and that will help you stay through this particular hard time.

9.1. Spirit influence towards people engaging with Divine Truth

What's happening at the moment spiritually is that there are many spirits now who know that actually it's the Divine Truth that's entering the Earth that's going to change the Earth. So many of them up until now have had many metaphysical types of explanations for the Earth changes that they foresee. So as a spirit what happens is you can foresee the future to a large degree, particularly as you become more developed, and this future then becomes well known in the spirit world in the lower spheres. So it becomes well known that eventually that there's going to be Earth change events and this area is going to be more damaged than that area. These are things that are quite well known in the spirit world.

So what happens is the spirits then look at how they can get things back to how it was, particularly for the dark malevolent spirits who want everything back to how it was. They want control, they want to be able to exercise all of their emotions through you and they want to keep everything as it is. They don't want everything to change and become different. So what they do is they focus on the people primarily who they know are going to be a part of the change. And as a result of that the persons who are on the Divine Love Path are going to be the people that they focus on.

So we actually have a spiritual warfare going on for your soul at the moment. This is why you feel so tired and exhausted at times. Is because you're feeling like, "Wow what's going on here? I just feel like the weight of the world is on my shoulders," and it's not anybody necessarily in your close acquaintance that's causing it. [01:21:56.06]

The reason is there's a lot of spirit projection at you that obviously gets absorbed into you through the emotional hooks you have with spirits. Those emotional hooks are the same hooks you have that are unhealed with your parents. This is why it's very, very important to deal with those parental-based emotions.

So my suggestion is if you haven't already done so perhaps have a look at the book "Toxic Parents". Mary's just been reading it recently and it contains many very good truths that will help you disconnect from the hooks that you have into your parents in order to get approval, acceptance, love and those other emotions. And that will also help you as you work your way through those, it'll help you to actually disconnect from that spirit influence that's being projected at you a lot. And remember that prayer is the most important thing.

Mary: I think prayer is the biggest tool in your tool kit right now and developing a desire for God. I feel that prayer and longing for God is so important with regards to this issue of spirit influence that you're referring to.

Because while you're praying a sincere prayer all the spirits can't cope with the energy that's entering you from God. So if you bear that in mind, that that's your greatest weapon in this fight for your soul, you'll find that it will help you a lot to work your way through a lot of emotion and also retain your faith. It'll help you retain your faith. I've seen so many people get to this point where many of you are at and leave the process. They leave it for all sorts of reasons but the dominant one is that they lose faith. They just lose faith and they don't believe the truth anymore as a result of that.

Participant: I just wanted to share just a couple of things. Just recently I worked through some emotions of rejection and it's like a whole heap of stuff that I'd been carrying around for so long has just lifted off me. So it's like a whole heap of spirits that were there have gone and it's such a relief. And it was just the next day after I'd worked through the emotions, the whole day I started to feel better and better and better and I actually started to get rosy cheeks. So that's one thing.

So what they were hooking into you was your feelings of rejection and they were constantly projecting at you their stuff to make you feel even worse.

Participant: Yeah that's it. And this other message is something that my guides told me a while ago and it's to help with faith. And it's like in my hand I have a golden seed of faith, it's already there in me. At the moment it's buried under a whole heap of stuff, which is my emotional shit, excuse the word, which is the buckets that I inherited from my parents. But in the end that shit is the fertiliser for my golden seed and it's going to just grow. (Laughter) (Applause)

And that's something the majority of us don't realise at this point; that many of your experiences that you are now going through that are quite painful are actually going to be such a joy for you in the future in the sense that you'll be able to help so many people work through exactly the same issues, and you'll receive so much joy as a result of being able to do that. So while the experience has been painful you'll find that although it's painful, in the end the experience has given you this knowledge and ability to help so many people because of the experience.

God always turns a lot negative things into positive things through our process. The key for many of us is that while we're going through the negative things we're often also not acting upon our desires and so we're not having any joy. So what we'd like to do too is start to activate some of the joy that needs to be present inside of you and that will help you along this path. But it will be not the joy of suppressing your emotion but rather the joy of experiencing your emotion in a positive fashion.

Thank you so much for your time again this weekend and for your donations.

Mary: See you later everyone (Applause).

And I look forward to seeing the growth that occurs over the coming months with all of this different work that you're doing on your emotions. So we're really looking forward to seeing that.

