McNAMEE AND AUTHOR OF THE BEST-SELLING "ZUCKED," A
BEST-SELLING "ZUCKED," A NECESSARY READ ABOUT
NECESSARY READ ABOUT DISINFORMATION AND
DISINFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION IN OUR TIMES.
MISINFORMATION IN OUR TIMES. ROGER, YOUR TAKE ON THIS,
ROGER, YOUR TAKE ON THIS, BECAUSE BASIC CONFUSION YOU HAVE
BECAUSE BASIC CONFUSION YOU HAVE OFTEN TOLD ME IS THE BEST
OFTEN TOLD ME IS THE BEST WEAPONIZATION OF THE INTERNET,
WEAPONIZATION OF THE INTERNET, OF DISINFORMATION.
OF DISINFORMATION. IT’S NOT THE STUFF THAT TARGETS
IT’S NOT THE STUFF THAT TARGETS SOMEONE, IT’S CONFUSION.
SOMEONE, IT’S CONFUSION. >> AND IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO
>> AND IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DEBATE WE’RE
UNDERSTAND THE DEBATE WE’RE HAVING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY IS ABOUT
HAVING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY IS ABOUT WHETHER MOVE FAST AND BREAK
WHETHER MOVE FAST AND BREAK THINGS, THE PHILOSOPHY THAT
THINGS, THE PHILOSOPHY THAT BUILT FACEBOOK, HAS ANY BUSINESS
BUILT FACEBOOK, HAS ANY BUSINESS IN DEMOCRACY.
IN DEMOCRACY. I WOULD ARGUE THE ANSWER IS NO.
I WOULD ARGUE THE ANSWER IS NO. WE SHOULD NOT BE HAVING
WE SHOULD NOT BE HAVING SMARTPHONES COUNTING EVERYTHING.
SMARTPHONES COUNTING EVERYTHING. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PRODUCT,
THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PRODUCT, IT’S ABOUT THE IDEA IN THE FIRST
IT’S ABOUT THE IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE.
PLACE. AND WHAT YOU SEE GOING ON NOW IS
AND WHAT YOU SEE GOING ON NOW IS THIS WEAPONIZATION OF SOCIAL
THIS WEAPONIZATION OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND, FRANKLY, CABLE
MEDIA AND, FRANKLY, CABLE TELEVISION TO GET PEOPLE IN AN
TELEVISION TO GET PEOPLE IN AN AGITATED STATE.
AGITATED STATE. AND THERE’S A REAL FOCUS ON THE
AND THERE’S A REAL FOCUS ON THE BERNIE SANDERS AUDIENCE BECAUSE
BERNIE SANDERS AUDIENCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF ANGER LEFT
THEY HAVE A LOT OF ANGER LEFT OVER FROM 2016.
OVER FROM 2016. SO THE OLDER FANS ARE MORE
SO THE OLDER FANS ARE MORE EASILY ENRAGED.
EASILY ENRAGED. IT HAS BECOME A HUGE PROBLEM,
IT HAS BECOME A HUGE PROBLEM, BECAUSE IT’S A NO-LOSE THING FOR
BECAUSE IT’S A NO-LOSE THING FOR THE TRUMP PEOPLE.
THE TRUMP PEOPLE. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, YOU
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, YOU REDUCE THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER
REDUCE THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE IF THE PARTY DOESN’T
BECAUSE IF THE PARTY DOESN’T COME TOGETHER, EITHER THE BERNIE
COME TOGETHER, EITHER THE BERNIE FANS ARE ANGRY IF SOMEBODY ELSE
FANS ARE ANGRY IF SOMEBODY ELSE GETS NOMINATED OR THE FANS OF
GETS NOMINATED OR THE FANS OF OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE BERNIE DID.
OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE BERNIE DID. >> WE ALREADY SAW LOWER TURNOUT
>> WE ALREADY SAW LOWER TURNOUT IN IOWA THAN EXPECTED.
IN IOWA THAN EXPECTED. BRANDY, ONE OF THE THINGS ROGER
BRANDY, ONE OF THE THINGS ROGER USED TO SAY WAS WHEN WE WERE
USED TO SAY WAS WHEN WE WERE FOCUSED ON FOREIGN INTERVENTION
FOCUSED ON FOREIGN INTERVENTION IN ELECTIONS, DON’T TAKE YOUR
IN ELECTIONS, DON’T TAKE YOUR EYE OFF THE BALL, THERE ARE BAD
EYE OFF THE BALL, THERE ARE BAD ACTORS HERE.
ACTORS HERE. DO THESE PLATFORMS, CAN THEY
DO THESE PLATFORMS, CAN THEY HANDLE THAT.
HANDLE THAT. THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND NOT
THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND NOT SATISFYING TIME TO SOME OF US ON
SATISFYING TIME TO SOME OF US ON FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE. WHAT ABOUT DOMESTIC
WHAT ABOUT DOMESTIC INTERFERENCE?
INTERFERENCE? >> CAN THEY HANDLE IT?
>> CAN THEY HANDLE IT? NO.
NO. OR MAYBE THEY CAN BUT THEY
OR MAYBE THEY CAN BUT THEY HAVEN’T SHOWN US THAT.
HAVEN’T SHOWN US THAT. WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN US IS THEY
WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN US IS THEY HAVE SAID THEY REALLY WANT TO
HAVE SAID THEY REALLY WANT TO CURB MISINFORMATION AND
CURB MISINFORMATION AND DISINFORMATION BUT WHEN THAT
DISINFORMATION BUT WHEN THAT COMES INTO PRACTICE, THEY’RE
COMES INTO PRACTICE, THEY’RE EITHER TOO SLOW OR DON’T TAKE
EITHER TOO SLOW OR DON’T TAKE STRONG ENOUGH MOVEMENT TO DO SO.
STRONG ENOUGH MOVEMENT TO DO SO. THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF VOTER
THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF VOTER FRAUD, MISINFORMATION STORY
FRAUD, MISINFORMATION STORY SPREAD BY A GROUP CALLED
SPREAD BY A GROUP CALLED JUDICIAL WATCH AND FURTHER
JUDICIAL WATCH AND FURTHER SPREAD BY SOME FOX NEWS TYPES
SPREAD BY SOME FOX NEWS TYPES AND DISINFORMATION TYPES AND IT
AND DISINFORMATION TYPES AND IT SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE.
SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE. WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT?
WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT? TWITTER DIDN’T TAKE IT DOWN,
TWITTER DIDN’T TAKE IT DOWN, DIDN’T DO ANYTHING TO STOP ITS
DIDN’T DO ANYTHING TO STOP ITS REACH.
REACH. FACEBOOK HOURS AFTER THE FACT
FACEBOOK HOURS AFTER THE FACT HAD A SEPARATE FACT CHECKER FACT
HAD A SEPARATE FACT CHECKER FACT CHECK THAT AND PUT A WARNING
CHECK THAT AND PUT A WARNING LABEL ON THAT, BUT NOT -- BUT BY
LABEL ON THAT, BUT NOT -- BUT BY THE TIME THEY HAD DONE THAT, A
THE TIME THEY HAD DONE THAT, A CONSERVATIVE PRO-TRUMP OUTLET
CONSERVATIVE PRO-TRUMP OUTLET HAD ALREADY BEEN SEEN BY 175,000
HAD ALREADY BEEN SEEN BY 175,000 PEOPLE, INTERACTED WITH ONLINE
PEOPLE, INTERACTED WITH ONLINE BY 175,000 SO THE CAT WAS OUT OF
BY 175,000 SO THE CAT WAS OUT OF THE BAG WHEN THEY CHOSE TO DO
THE BAG WHEN THEY CHOSE TO DO THOSE THINGS.
THOSE THINGS. IT HAD ALREADY SPREAD.
IT HAD ALREADY SPREAD. WHEN THE IOWA SECRETARY OF STATE
WHEN THE IOWA SECRETARY OF STATE PUT OUT A FACT CHECK SAYING THIS
PUT OUT A FACT CHECK SAYING THIS ISN’T TRUE, HERE’S THE EVIDENCE,
ISN’T TRUE, HERE’S THE EVIDENCE, THAT WAS SEEN BY A TEENY, TINY,
THAT WAS SEEN BY A TEENY, TINY, SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE COMPARED
SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE COMPARED TO THE LIE.
TO THE LIE. WE DON’T STAND A CHANCE.
WE DON’T STAND A CHANCE. >> BEN, YOU AND BRANDY DIG
>> BEN, YOU AND BRANDY DIG AROUND IN THESE PLACES TO GET
AROUND IN THESE PLACES TO GET THE ANSWERS AND FIND OUT WHY AS
THE ANSWERS AND FIND OUT WHY AS ROGER HAS POINTED OUT, I DON’T
ROGER HAS POINTED OUT, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER IT’S THE ALGORITHMS
KNOW WHETHER IT’S THE ALGORITHMS OR PEOPLE AND HOW THEY ACT BUT
OR PEOPLE AND HOW THEY ACT BUT WHY THE BAD STUFF SPREADS SO
WHY THE BAD STUFF SPREADS SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN THE
MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN THE TRUE STUFF.
TRUE STUFF. >> YOU JUST SAW STEVE BANNON, HE
>> YOU JUST SAW STEVE BANNON, HE MADE A CAREER OUT OF IT.
MADE A CAREER OUT OF IT. DON’T TRUST INSTITUTIONS.
DON’T TRUST INSTITUTIONS. THEY’RE NOT GOING TO HELP YOU
THEY’RE NOT GOING TO HELP YOU OUT.
OUT. BY THE WAY, IT DOESN’T MATTER
BY THE WAY, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOUR VOTE DOES ANYWAY,
WHAT YOUR VOTE DOES ANYWAY, BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT HE HAD
BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT HE HAD INCREDIBLE SUCCESS IN 2016
INCREDIBLE SUCCESS IN 2016 PULLING OFF BASICALLY.
PULLING OFF BASICALLY. ROGER HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO.
ROGER HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO. THE GOAL OF ALL OF THESE TALKING
THE GOAL OF ALL OF THESE TALKING POINTS, FROM -- THAT SATURDAY
POINTS, FROM -- THAT SATURDAY NIGHT POLL COMING OUT THAT
NIGHT POLL COMING OUT THAT BANNON WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS TO
BANNON WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS TO SPLIT THE PARTY AND MAKE IT SO
SPLIT THE PARTY AND MAKE IT SO PEOPLE DISTRUST INSTITUTIONS.
PEOPLE DISTRUST INSTITUTIONS. ONCE YOU START DISTRUSTING
ONCE YOU START DISTRUSTING INSTITUTIONS, IT DOESN’T JUST
INSTITUTIONS, IT DOESN’T JUST END WITH POLITICS, IT ENDS WITH
END WITH POLITICS, IT ENDS WITH PEOPLE SAYING MAYBE I DON’T
PEOPLE SAYING MAYBE I DON’T TRUST THE CDC ANYMORE.
TRUST THE CDC ANYMORE. MAYBE I DON’T TRUST PEOPLE
MAYBE I DON’T TRUST PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT CORONAVIRUS AND IT
TALKING ABOUT CORONAVIRUS AND IT DRUMS UP FEAR IN THE POPULOUS
DRUMS UP FEAR IN THE POPULOUS AND MAKES IT SO EVERYONE IS A
AND MAKES IT SO EVERYONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE AFRAID.
LITTLE BIT MORE AFRAID. BAD ACTORS COME IN, PROVIDE THEM
