- In this video, I'll be
answering the question
was Steve Jobs an ENTJ?
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And the source of today's
question is none other
than Quora and here we go.
We have Nicolas Pampinella,
Account Executive,
from Software As A Service Cloud Software,
which is kind of like
redundant and he says, quote,
"Not at all.
"He is the epitome of an ISTP."
Okay, he's half right.
He definitely is not an ENTJ but then,
this guys like, oh he's an ISTP.
"I am an ENTJ."
I mean, how do we know you're an ENTJ?
"He was solely focused of the sleekness
"and design of products and putting
"a perfect product on the market.
"He made Apple product
easy to use and broken down
"to be the most user friendly.
"This is Ti thinking."
Okay, okay.
"Let's compare Bill
Gates who was 100% ENTJ."
No, he's not.
Bill Gates is actually an INTP, dude.
"Anyone first thinking
Bill in an introvert sense
"does not watch his interviews.
"He loves interviewing,
expressing himself.
"He routinely seeks attention.
"Also, Bill, with Microsoft,
used a trial and error method.
"For Microsoft, he put out clunky products
"like Microsoft Office and
then fixed bugs and functions
"as the market demanded."
Yeah, because minimum
viable product is definitely
the best approach to software development.
"His main goal was to
the first in the market
"and steal as much market share
"and then update features as he learned.
"This is Te thinking."
Not necessarily.
It was actually extroverted
feeling of inferior taking
on the feedback of customers so that
his expert intuition
parent could actually give
his customers what they
valued and what they wanted.
Had nothing to do with market share, okay.
Everyone thinks Bill Gates is
like this master financier,
a master of money, when reality
of the situation, he's not.
He actually takes a very
Fe approach and people need
to stop thinking Bill Gates is ENTJ
'cause he's absolutely not.
"Bill is great in
business, sucks at design,
"and is also a better
salesman than people realize."
Okay, I don't necessarily
believe that he sucks in design.
It's just his design principles are based
on what he is experiencing
and he has extroverted sensing trickster.
So if he's the one left
with making design decisions
for other people, of
course it's gonna suck.
Again, you are relying on stereotypes here
that are not even relevant, sir.
"Jobs is also a salesman
but the design first focus
"is crucial in distinctions."
That's the only accurate sentence
you've said this entire response.
I see you only got three up votes.
Hopefully, it stays that way.
But why is that accurate?
It's because to Steve
Jobs, his real type design
is the most important thing.
Concept and design is most important.
Development not so much,
execution not so much.
Design is everything to Steve Jobs.
And then we have Navneet
Gupta, Software Developer.
"There is no doubt he was an
extrovert, definitely an E."
Oh gross, we have somebody here
who starts to typing someone
with the MBTI letter dichotomies.
If you are one of those people that uses
the MBTI letter
dichotomies to type people,
I would like to tell you
to your face right now
that you are ignorant
and behind the times.
I highly recommend you go
to my other YouTube channel
and watch the video titled
exactly MBTI Letter Dichotomies Debunked
so you can understand that they
are actually total BS
and fake and fake news
and not actually something that's useful.
But if you're one of
those ignorant people who
are using the letter
dichotomies to live your life
and typing yourself and
typing other people based
on the letter dichotomies,
my heart goes out to you.
Please, save yourself from
your ignorance and instead,
become wise and educated
and understand the type grid
which you can understand more about
at CSJoseph.life/typegrid
where you can understand
that there is an actual tool out there you
can type people with 100% accuracy.
If you wanna learn more
to how to use that,
then I suggest you watch season
two and season 15 playlist
on my other YouTube channel
which explains to you
how you can use the type grid.
And then we all, collectively,
can abandon the crap
that is the MBTI letter
dichotomies so we could
be freed from it so that
we don't have to listen
or read answers like this on Quora which
are absolutely terrible because
they're completely wrong
and a waste of time and just
adding more to the confusion
of the world because people think that
the letter dichotomies
are actually a thing
when the reality of the situation is
they're just actually garbage
that is worthy of being in a
burning dumpster thrown down
the hill and watch it
get plunged in the ocean,
never to be seen again.
So, I mean, you know,
that's just reality, folks.
Check it out.
So anyway, and then, he's like,
"He, himself mentioned how his
intuition has helped him all
"his life, during his commencement speech
"at Stanford University.
"He never cared much about
others and was often seen
"as a rebel of the tech industry."
Okay, this is total BS.
Saying that Steve Jobs is
uncaring about other people,
are you kidding me?
His entire design
philosophy is about caring
for the needs of the customers.
And yeah, that sometimes
meant that he would have
to take away certain things
from technologies like Flash,
for example, in order for
him to make better products.
It's just the customers
didn't know that they
would want that yet,
but then, after a while,
customers did want them and he proved
it time and time again.
Good thing he didn't
listen to anyone else,
including the people on his
team who were not yes-man,
but he still knew that he was right
and he was because, guess
what, we have these nowadays.
So honestly, this opinion
doesn't mean anything.
"I am guessing at traits of
both thinker and feeler."
Oh gross, "But my take is that the thinker
"in him was more dominant.
"My take is T here."
Oh, I'm so intelligent because I'm using
the MBTI letter dichotomy system,
even though I'm like a
software developer who,
you know, probably writes software using
the letter dichotomy system.
You know, you think
anyone's gonna adopt it?
No, because it'll be 100%
inaccurate at all times.
Please sir, do not, do not
talk about these things.
Letter dichotomies, it is
a lie, it is not accurate,
and you are doing nothing
more than deceiving people.
Oh, "He was always in judging mode.
"He had opinions about
everything and he was
"not a very patient guy.
"It makes him a J."
Yeah, actually he was very patient.
The reason why he appeared to be impatient
is because his patience had ran out.
Didn't mean he had lacked patience.
It's just that he got
tired of having to put
his patience or his faith
into people around him
who were either incompetent,
which for the most part,
he doesn't surround himself
by incompetent people.
But, in the moment, he
would react negatively.
Why?
It's because people were
giving him a bad experience
and it's not his job to give
other people a good experience.
It's his job to give
people a better future.
That's the difference.
And then we have John
Uke or John Uke or Uck,
or I have no idea.
Serial Passionist, what does that mean?
Does that mean you're like
literally that guy who
has to read a romance
novel every single day?
Do you have your Audible
account and you got
those steamy romance novels
going at 100% of the time?
Is that what it means to
be a serial passionist?
I have no idea, sir,
but you provided this
answer on July 19, 2013.
I had no idea Quora was
even around back then.
So, he says, "Yes, it's best
to look beyond the letters
"at the meat of the functions."
Okay, this guy's on to
something, except he's wrong.
"His dominant Te made him
obsessive about optimization.
"Minimalist features, clean design."
No, no, no, no, it's Ti,
caring about the details.
It's about his introverted sensing caring
about his experience.
"His NI made him an accurate visionary."
No, vision comes from
extroverted intuition,
not introverted intuition.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Once again, this is an example of people
having backwards definitions
of the actual functions.
The true definition of the
functions follow the book,
"Energies and Patterns
of Psychological Type"
according to Dr. John Beebee.
Maybe you should read that book so you
can come to a better understanding
of the actual definition
of the functions instead of relying
on the dumb colloquial
definitions that everyone shares
within the MBTI blogosphere as well
as those interesting people,
those armchair psychologists on Reddit
who actually think they
know anything about this
when the reality of the situation is they
don't know a damn thing about it.
"His Fi was poorly developed."
Of course it was poorly developed because
it was practically non-existent, okay.
"And his last function's
what made him a douche bag.
"He didn't care about
anybody but himself."
No, he actually cared
about a lot of people,
he'd just get really
cranky when no one cared
about making him more comfortable.
That was his issue.
"Not acknowledging his child's parentage
"and yelling at people."
Okay, again, this is ridiculous.
You only got three up votes for that.
The guy before you got 15 for some reason.
But yeah, no, no, no, this is terrible.
Guys, here's a reality of this situation.
Was Steve Jobs an ENTJ?
Hell no, he was not.
He was actually an ENTP and a lot
of people struggle accepting this but this
is the reality of the situation.
He is a starter type.
Starter types have this problem where they
can't really finish
things that they start.
But they pour all their
energy into concept
and design and they give
that to the engineers who
are responsible for development,
and then he gives it the
operations people who
are responsible for execution, #TimCook,
because like, he's an ENTJ,
you see what I'm saying.
He's all about execution.
That's why Steve Jobs hired him.
That's also why Steve
Jobs and Steve Wozniak
hired John Sculley who is also an ENTJ
before John Sculley was
ultimately let go from Apple
when, after he fired Steve Jobs and then,
all of a sudden the vision had left Apple
because Steve Jobs was gone because
the ENTP provides vision.
And that's why it's written in the Bible,
when there is no vision,
that people will perish.
And that's why Apple
almost died as a company,
but you bring Steve Jobs back in,
all the sudden. their vision is back
and all of a sudden, you got
these things coming around.
You know what I'm saying?
There's a reason for that, guys.
It was all about concept and design.
He learned calligraphy so
that he could understand
the experience of clear
calligraphy because calligraphy
was beautiful to him and he wanted
to create beautiful products.
But the thing is is that ENTJs,
they have to see something pre-existing
for them to manipulate it.
That's how they work.
Whereas Steve Jobs, what he came up with
were not pre-existing.
They're actually original
ideas that he came up
with himself and with people around him.
And taking all that collective brain trust
and just like Bruce Lee,
researching all of the
martial arts in the world
and creating his own martial art system,
the best form of Kung Fu in the world.
It all came from all that
collection of other systems
and creating a master system.
That's literally what
Steve Jobs did and that
is the source of his vision,
giving his customers a better future,
giving them what they want.
The thing is is that ENTJs
focus on giving customers
what they want right now,
what's relevant right now.
And actually, that's one
of their biggest weaknesses
because ENTJs lack originality.
The reality of the situation is is
that Steve Jobs gave customers
what they want later and they did not know
that they wanted it now.
They didn't know that they'd want this,
you know, waterproof without
a headphone jack, for example,
even though that technically
happened, you know,
after Steve Jobs' death, etc.
Or the fact that he didn't
want no stupid ass stylus
going on with his phones, etc.
You know what I'm saying,
because styluses are stupid.
I agree.
I'm an ENTP as well, they are stupid.
And then, all of a
sudden, you have Tim Cook,
the ENTJs little Se child
making Steve Jobs roll
in his grave because it's like,
oh, we're gonna bring on the Apple stylus
and they finally have a stylus again
because look it's the ENTJ keeping
what's relevant in the moment instead
of like actually having, you know,
a source of vision
because they don't, okay.
ENTJs are all about
execution and operations
and changing something that pre-exists
whereas an ENTP is
about bringing something
into existence that doesn't exist.
That's the point, very original.
It's all about extroverted intuition hero,
giving people what they want,
giving them a better future.
He's Ti parent, that's
why he basically came off
an asshole, just like I do
'cause I have Ti parent.
I come off to people like a douche bag
in that same way Steve Jobs does
and there's a reason for it.
We're harsh, get over it.
We're harsh for your benefit, get over it.
I don't care how you feel when compared
to telling you the truth
because your feelings
are subjective compared
to non-subjective things,
which are true.
Unless you're one of those
people out there who are like,
oh, hi, I am an EFP
and I have Ti trickster
and anything can be true,
anything can be false.
No, that's not actually the case,
just like I and Steve Jobs could say,
well anything can be good
and anything could be bad.
So like this whole thing,
well that's your truth.
Again, that's BS.
I mean, if that was the case,
then I guess there's like
no such thing as a rock
or there's no such thing
as a snowflake that has,
that's different every
single individual snowflake.
Apparently, that's like not a thing
or are you denying the
existence of reality?
I mean, come on.
Oh, but reality could be
completely subjective.
Okay, yeah sure, until
you're like put into a pit
and then all of a sudden,
someone's pouring concrete into your pit.
Are you going to survive?
I mean, that kind of
seems like reality to me.
You know, are you are you
gonna live or are you not?
I mean, like, you can't
even make a single hair grow
or stop growing on your head.
What business do you have thinking
that you could make that claim?
You know what I'm saying?
Anyway, Steve Jobs is an ENTP.
He cared about what other
people felt constantly.
He was always talking
up members of the team,
talking up the people at Apple.
He was even talking up
people at Microsoft.
It never was about the numbers.
ENTJs are all about numbers.
Show me a single interview
where Steve Jobs only
cares about the numbers?
He's constantly talking
about what people want,
he's constantly talking about the future,
he's constantly talking about
how people value his products
and what people value within the market.
It has nothing to do
with numbers and growth
and statistics and sales.
He doesn't care about that.
ENTJs care about that,
you know I'm saying.
And it's all about his comfort.
Anyone that would get in the way
and not make him feel
comfortable or make him feel safe
in a situation, especially the last minute
before a presentation, of
course he's gonna blow up
in a big ball of rage.
That's what ENTPs do.
Do you think ENTJs do that?
They make get a little bit
rage-y for a little bit,
but no, because they plan
everything through to the end.
They have a lot more planning,
they're better executing,
which means they're not even gonna have
that stress come upon them
at the last minute before a presentation.
But whereas the progressions
like an ENTP absolutely would.
Guys, stop drinking the
stupid ENTJ Kool-Aid
about Steve Jobs.
He actually is an ENTP.
It's the truth.
Go figure it out.
Use the type grid to type him.
CSJoseph.life/typegrid, watch season two,
watch season 15 playlist
on my other YouTube channel
to learn how to use
the type grid and then,
you'll clearly see that Steve Jobs
is actually an ENTP and not an ENTJ.
And maybe all those people out there who
can't even remotely be
consistent in their typing
of CS Joseph because, for example,
the last interview I went on,
you have the interviewer
typing me as an ENFP,
you have people within the
comments of his section saying,
oh, you know, he typed,
he's obviously ESFJ or oh,
he's obviously an ESTJ or
oh, he's obviously an ENTJ.
I mean, I bet these people
who think Steve Jobs
being an ENTJ would probably
type me an ENTJ as well,
but it's not my fault the majority
of people out there are ignorant.
It's not my fault at all,
but that's why I exist,
you know, to tell you the truth.
That way, you stop confusing
everybody and then,
people can actually understand
the science for once
and actually apply it to their lives
and change the world for the better.
But no, we have to, you know,
like focus on our own ignorance and stay
in our comfort zone and have our heads
in the sand for some reason.
And even though we're on Quora.
Gosh, someone needs to
seriously pull these heads
out of the sand, but again,
that's why I'm making
this video after all.
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