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Elena's no there we go yeah dramatic
Saturday morning cartoons I wish I had
like a little like something goofy and
shit like your remember Saturday when
cartoons right
yep man we live for that shit that's
90's kid stuff nineties kids old man it
really is
there's no other generation that lived
through our like cartoons or like
amazing cartoons dude we had it so good
yeah it was kind of interesting how how
you had like you missed out on
conversations about like Pokemon and
like you mean like Saturday morning
cartoon shows you mean we missed out on
conversations as in what as kids like
you know that that school week if you
didn't watch the latest at all I see
that was our game of Thrones right you
were shut out yeah guess that Pokemon
you were scrub new Pokemon that was
revealed yeah yeah like you didn't like
you wouldn't have any conception of what
people were talking about like you had
to see it yeah and that was it there was
no nothing more to beat you ever get big
into the Pokemon card collecting mm-hmm
yeah me too
hell yeah I actually got my turn you
that's when you learn like social
dynamic shit right maybe it's you I like
okay first of all you learn how to
barter and trade okay like I mean like
it's in the marketplace yeah exactly you
learned about theft yeah that's real
shit huh well steal from you bro learn
that's like people fucking steal they
want and they just fucking take it you
better not leave that holographic beauty
out
you also learned about like scarcity
right yeah how you know cards are rare
because there's only so many of them
true yeah yeah you're you're you're
hitting the nail bed teaching kids
economics yeah I'm gonna trick them yeah
bartering shit mercantilism resume yeah
that's interesting
yeah man actually right that'd be
interesting if that was like a China or
Japanese SIOP like want to teach
Americans that though just to be more
peaceful like trading and shit and then
instead of like fighting with sticks and
guns right maybe it's made a Genet like
I would like to see a study that like
shows the psychological aspect of like
how it maybe it made us more like
inclined to be like entrepreneurs or
something mmm maybe we're gonna have the
most the biggest generation of
entrepreneurs
that's a clickbait title for you
pokemons makes kids more entrepreneur
makes Millennials more entrepreneurial
most entrepreneurial generation yeah he
speak the Pokemon generation what about
Yukio you get was like the next level
yeah but it didn't really change the it
didn't add anything see the trading card
dynamic but also you gotta think of the
original pokémon's fucking Magic the
Gathering Oh true that's yeah that's
real shit that's yeah that's like
weeaboo shit where ya get into tears
like even the card makers know you're
you're like this is the only thing
you're good at in life right this is
like this is your plateaus is your
investment yes or your savings your
everything is going like city can
increase because you know you haven't
aged out of that just yet right so so
yeah I mean I know that they make it
deeper and shit and yeah like I know a
couple people that play magic really
yeah do they have no life we have lives
I mean for oh I mean I think like maybe
they were like going through something
in their life
it's like a midlife crisis yeah well
friend just broke up with them so they
pick up magic yeah something like that
that's a heavy nerds game yeah that's
like below that's like a almost slightly
above D&D you know I'm saying do you
mean which way it's worse I'm saying
Dragons is below below a magic together
by letting the gathering his foundation
of like nurtured yeah yeah I think so
like the final yeah I see you're saying
that magic is more nerd than D&D not
inverse oh you think magic is more nerdy
I think now I think now it would be I
think D&D has become more more
mainstream oh shit maybe you're right so
I think maybe you'd be right if you're
talking like 80s you know
nineties yeah I'm looking I'm looking at
like back like yeah if you were tracing
a line back yessiree like I'm saying D&D
is the foundation of nurture yeah but
now I know like cool people who play D&D
yeah yeah I think it was modernized yeah
somewhat yeah it's been yeah it's been
less stigmatized yeah I think also
because of like stranger things
yeah because you know popular media kind
of shows yeah that stuff and people kind
of just want to hop on it because you
know it's a relic from the past in a
sense even though it's still been going
on for you know the whole time just not
at the level of popularity had yeah
eighties yeah just so did you oh yeah a
buddy of mine back when I was at
undergraduate he basically got a group
of us physicists undergrad physicists he
was a graduate student at the time and
he must've been real lonely rough bro
it's rough he was in the thick of it
getting that PhD that was his second PhD
at thinking or all right on his second
PhD but his second degree and yeah he
got a bunch of us we played D&D for like
a good two years fuck I didn't realize
it was that long like when he said you
want to play D&D is like yeah
sure and I played a week and he's like
alright see you next week I'm like oh
okay wait so what for us to don't know
how many how long do games take so
DeeDee pretty much the timeframe is
could be endless it's like it takes
storyline it's a true like it's made for
nerds who do don't party on the weekends
so they literally play D&D every weekend
so it's a continuous story hmm so like I
played for two years and I was probably
level eight damn you know out of like
you can be I imagine like a level 100
G's so it can go on and on like that IRL
RPG yeah it's really cool though I
really am into it because it's like it
really heavily utilizes imagination yeah
so you can do things like it adds an
element of interest because you know
like a videogame you're restricted by
the code yeah and D&D you're only
restricted by your imagination so you
can say whatever you want to do is so
for for instance let's say your party
you and your party so you've got a group
with you you're playing like five the
five of the people I think that's the
standard you and your party you're in a
dungeon yeah you guys can figure out
ways to escape the dungeon like you
could say oh I want to use my fireball
on this door right and then your DM
that's the dungeon master
who's the one who controls the game
we'll say like okay you've got a role
for it so you can roll and let's say you
get like a five you can get out of its
like you can get from one to 20 mm and
if you get a 5 you're probably not gonna
be able to blow up the door so then you
try something else or try again or
something yeah yes so it's really like
you didn't your imaginations your limit
damn so what's the wildest dee dee game
you played
shit how about wildest I did fuck a a
not a troglodyte fucked a it's like a
monster because this female monster that
was like you know really powerful yeah
so I used my power seduction to to make
it so we didn't have to fight her okay
and my character's name was Telos yeah
and needless to say Telos laid it laid
the pipe that night yeah yeah so that's
the kind of shit you could do like you
can do whatever the fuck you want
dang and it's just like you roll for it
I think I crit it probably to get that
to happen which is like if you crit
that's rolling a twenty so you pretty
much like your DM can yeah you know he
makes it up you crit you're pretty much
gonna get it usually Larry's yeah that's
cool man yeah yeah I mean I just stuck
to fucking video games man I didn't even
go deep I was like I'm gonna stick to
the virtual world well I would highly
recommend it to anybody who at least
wants to do it one yeah it's a lot of
time to invest especially nowadays the
older yeah but um it was fun man I loved
it cool man yeah I might jump into a
game maybe it seemed like fun like it
seems like a fun game to play if you
like her drinking and like you're
hanging out yeah friends and shit
we know a guy we know is getting into it
yeah
yeah I know yeah yeah cuz he mentioned
it I was like yeah fuck you I know I'm
saying it's becoming more mainstream now
yeah yeah yeah that's cool yeah kind of
nerds same time I don't like fucking
nerds yeah I think nurse did get beat up
nerds need to get beat up again again
again yeah they're they're getting too
wild a while and yeah they're they're
thinking too cocky yeah yeah why do you
say that I just look back at things and
start reflecting on like
you know for one I I hate spoilers you
know okay these boilers I feel like
troll Kurt culture is part of nerd
culture now like it's been kind of an
aspect of nerd culture yeah I was a
heavy troll back in the days yes so was
this massive I was also a nerd so yeah
and I could have was one I did get beat
up
now I'm teetering on like you know I can
kind of like step in and out of it yeah
yeah but yeah like I think we're on the
same page yeah happy nerd half yeah you
can step yeah you can step in and out
but you know I'm very much I'm - nor me
for like the heavy nerd yeah the heavy
nerve yeah fucking you're not on that
meme level okay I'm too casual next yeah
yeah next level memes
yeah we're too casual for like actual
nerd people right and they would like
scoff at us yeah cuz there's certain
elitism in the nerd community like yeah
that is like if you don't know these
references then you're a bleep yeah yeah
yeah like it was like it I just bit
bothers me because it's like like Jesus
like you guys have undeserving
confidence so we need to put a fist in
your face it's I can see what I'm not
advocating violence but I can see why
people want to punch nerds in the face
or stuff them into like it's healthy men
I get your ass beat it's important
Lifeson yeah you gotta do yeah I've
gotten my ass beat a couple times for
being a nerd yeah but maybe once or
twice I thought people try to but not as
Marie obviously but like when I was like
way younger for sure mmm like a kid like
for sure teenage yeah preteen okay
that's the last time I got my ass kicked
for being under you at least put up a
fight yeah yeah yeah definitely
okay that's good but I mean how many
fights have you been in one yeah but you
know all like all like before I could
really like stand up for myself in a
real meaningful way I see you know it's
kind of wasted yeah yeah yes I mean if I
were to if I got into fight now would be
pretty ugly yeah yeah I mean
yeah anybody our age if you got yeah
yeah yeah but I mean as a kid you kind
of just I mean when you go up with
brothers you find all the time yeah and
that's why I wish I had a brother just
had a sister so I couldn't fight it kind
of sucks man because like you know like
if somebody tries to like come up to you
and in like at least for me if somebody
tries to come up to me and fight I was
the older brother so if anybody comes up
to me I'm I like laugh immediately like
hahaha
right you really gonna fight right that
shit cuz like I'm so used to like my
younger siblings being like oh I kind of
take the same energy into a fight yeah
like I would I know that I would because
I'm the chill is fighter ever won or
he'd be one of those scary fighters it
doesn't say anything and then he just
rip someone's head off I don't know man
like I definitely do want to do like
some kind of like jujitsu or like you
know self-defense kind of shit cuz like
that would be cool like too because I
feel like you you do need to learn how
to for one defend yourself properly
right okay I don't agree but okay as a
fighter right now I'm sorry as a human
being living in a world where it's like
you can definitely get up on some
crazies can come up to you well this is
my thought if in a world where guns
exist why would you ever need to fight
no true but it's like if you get like a
crazy drunkard on you and like you know
I mean you can you can even even if
you're like I'm not for fighting I can
maybe just dodge evade you know that
kind of thing like that's an important
skill to get for me I've been through
the fucking like the ring of my siblings
kind of thing like two younger brothers
but I've even had two on once oh really
let's TV whole domination yeah I still
need a kick in the ass is it great being
the oldest it is it is it is but at the
same time it's kind of scarring for them
because like because you're like
Godzilla yeah like there is some sort of
like weird dynamic whenever I talk to
them now because I'm like like well you
watch my ass yeah yeah but it's yeah
look at you always is the older one yeah
yeah it's strange like it really is it
really is a strange level of respect you
get for no real because you've ingrained
that into them challenge me right like
you could definitely challenge me now
probably kicked my ass right and washed
well that is really interesting huh
longer you know someone that's just like
you always have that you always have
that vision of them and print it on to
you yes you've cuz they've known you for
so long they know how you've come up
yeah yeah you know so they don't they
don't have well they have all of the
extra shit they know everything about
you and it's just like yeah like likes
interesting like for uh like I know I
know I know why kids are notorious for
this but fighting their dads really ya
know let's just like Bam Margera's these
for me like I had a friend he but he was
he was like by ratio I mean yeah he was
uh he was damn I want to say he was
Asian I don't remember what okay half
half white half asian right papa
sure and and yeah so like one day I
think he was like chillin with his dad
or something cuz they shared an xbox
like okay and one day his dad did
something I think he deleted his game
saver something he got pissed at his dad
and he's like what the fuck man punched
his dad Wow and they fought they
legitimately fought like fish literally
like kicked his dad
damn that's bitch down what do you do
right as a parent what do you do fucking
get out of my house thing Funko find a
job he did he kicked him out of the
house yeah be like you're fucking out
literally he literally hit me up and he
was like dude I just fought I tried to
fight with my dad can I stay your house
for like for like he stayed at my place
for like a month
Jesus I wasn't moving my mom like I was
like 16 my mom was like can he stay he's
like he fought his dad like it's just so
funny man like what the father you fight
your dad I don't know man
I have too much respect for my dad to
ever lay a hand on him I don't know how
I don't care how mad I get yeah yeah me
either I don't know if I get it fight my
dad and yeah I don't think actually I
mean verbally I can see if I can argue
with him and ship but even that to me I
guess in barely yeah even then it's like
I'm kind of just like you know dads are
mostly chatterboxes yeah he's just like
okay okay my dad's also not the type who
would ever even we would never even come
that situation yeah yeah he's got a
super mad at me before but usually he
immediately regrets anything and then
just leaves yeah man I mean that's
usually a yeah that dad move a dad's go
to move his disappointment yeah yes
actually yeah and I get it yeah because
you know your dad is a fucking easier
easier dude it's got to maintain
composure yeah yeah yeah they got to
maintain composure and shit so it's like
I kind of understand but yeah it is kind
of funny that uh that story like it kind
of what you were saying it like you you
feel like how could you fight somebody
that you you'd know yeah so especially
someone you respect so much yeah but
yeah clearly this guy did but I don't
know he was kind of nuts man this is the
same guy that stole X boxes and shit
okay well yeah the entrepreneur I
respect dudes like that yeah he like
went to steal from big companies yeah
fuck he would steal from the mall all
the time and like he went to fucking
jail for a while though yeah that's not
good yeah yeah fuckin like stealing
t-shirts and shit right really dumb and
nowadays it's easy not to get caught cuz
companies don't even want anyone to
anything to do with you they just want
you to steal a shit get out yeah I'm
actually I've accidentally stolen a
couple things oh yeah like I just walk
out like I think I walked out of uh but
it's like minor shit like you walk out
of a store with like a magazine or
something
mmm you know saying like oh yeah or like
a soda or like I know but in cases yeah
it's already in the it's the companies
are eve fact that into there sharply
exactly shit yeah working retail you
realize how it all fucking fuck yes in
retail when people are stealing I just
like oh well
carry on yeah my problem DUI I didn't
even tell you this one so long speaking
of stealing stories this one fucking guy
I was working at a an office depot for a
while I was like a tech yeah fuck anyway
I was like Chloe it's almost closing
time and like there's only like two
people on the floor it was me and this
other dude in the manager mm-hmm and
then I'm supposed to take care of the
register but I see this dude I'm
cleaning up you know most people work we
don't know if cleanup duties right
before the like an hour before the the
closing window and so there's do rows in
we're not really paying attention to
them because we're doing our cleaning
duties mm-hmm and then like he comes up
to the register and I'm like yeah I'll
take care of him and then uh and I'm
he's like he's like oh yeah I want this
and it's like a he's got like a box yeah
you know what is it uh what was called
the storage containers a storage bin
container mm-hmm and he has it on the
floor and then he has a couple other
things that he puts on the counter he's
like can I get this and that container
on the floor and I'm like yeah sure and
then I'm like can I can I just can you
give me the lid and the thing I guess I
can scan it and and he's like yeah he
pulls it up puts it on the thing I scan
it and then he puts it back down and
then over the radio my fucking manager I
forget his name whatever it's like smile
Chris okay take his eyes your name he
was like he's like hey Juan you might
want to check your monitor check what's
inside that bin man and like like I'm
like excuse me sir can I see what's in
that bin real quick and there's like
he's like oh yeah no problem man and
like nonchalantly like whatever and then
like I opened the fucking bin and
there's like a shit ton of stuff in
there a shit ton of stuff man it's like
fill ya brim and doesn't line even
batting it I he just like yeah yeah it's
like way are you planning to pay for all
this and he's like oh yeah yeah man and
I start ringing it up yeah and then he's
like oh man shit that's hold on I left
I have only this on me right now go get
my money never came back yeah real
people that suck because they steal and
then you're gonna put the shit back
shout out to my god Chris man like yeah
that was that was fucked up man
let's get man people try to see you like
yeah I'm an old about it but I
definitely feel like it's a
psychological thing like sometimes it's
a thrill for some people man some some
for sure but then other people are just
making a living why don't they just take
it to the corporate level you know what
I'm saying like well that was sick all
right no no I'm saying like these are
low-level people bombs corporate level
people that's always hard to get to that
place you've got to be wheeling and
dealing you've got to come from a good
background yeah like all we gotta go to
college right right that's a long path
like before or immediate gratification
yeah yeah yeah yeah that reminds me of
that office space movie yeah yeah when
they fucking build that program to take
like sense yes and he gets like how much
a couple hundred thousand even a lot
it's not even a lot but it guilt like
the guilt is enough for him like ya
can't take it was a funny movie yeah I
made the mistake of watching that movie
before I did go to work and I was like
fuck this when I was working at oh just
in general yeah yeah okay working for
the man yeah that was like the biggest
like fuck you do yeah it makes you not
want to go to work you just realize how
shit work is yeah yeah and I literally I
think I skipped that day at work but I
worked at such a you know such a kid job
and people just accepted it yeah you're
like are you gonna please come back he's
gonna give a fuck you gotta have that
experience working for someone
yeah I definitely think it's like a rite
of passage in our modern economy for
sure especially working minimum wage
jeez yeah you get such a you get such a
respect for people who actually have to
live like that
yeah all the time oh hell yeah
I'm just like Moe you just realize how
fucking blood-thirsty
this nation truly is when you can look
people in the eyes and actually say yeah
seven dollars an hour that's what you're
making yeah and I knew people
straight-faced that speaking of those
managers that I knew they fucking had
families and would work as managers yeah
paid like ten fifteen bucks an hour yeah
and they thought that was the big money
yeah man and I was like the like that's
the ceiling
yeah for the most part and it's I am
doing yeah how do you even like survive
like that I don't even know man it's
it's depressing it's it like it made me
just be like I can't fucking do you yeah
it made me so cynical man I'm like okay
this is why everyone sells drugs I get
it this is literally the only way you
could survive yeah yeah yeah this is why
crime exists because you can't even make
a decent living wage you know if your
car breaks down or something then you're
truly fucked you know my car just had an
issue really yeah it had a lot of Pat
issues like something with the tires
okay but it was like I replaced some
bearings my tires something I replaced a
couple tires yeah and the bill came out
to be $700 oh dude $768 so that's
literally more than I pay for rent and
utilities combined and it's like imagine
if you're someone in that position and
you need that for work and you live
paycheck to paycheck
yeah yeah it's fucked it's like that's
it your fuck you know
yeah there's no you're behind on rent
every month dude this is crazy man
yeah it's nuts like I really don't I
don't understand how this economy's like
on a constant like I will admit it's
probably efficient for four companies
right because like it's literally the
bare minimum for you to get by yeah it's
literally like cuz like yeah like you're
saying of one bill could send you in a
spiral spiral that it's just insane and
then imagine like you've to pay for
health insurance
yeah I need you have to pay for dental
insurance yeah you got to pay for food
clothing
I mean the list is endless man there's
so many things you have to do yeah it's
just like I don't get how you can ever
look someone in the face and say this as
well yeah yes that's the thing they
don't look you in the face they just
hide behind their fucking wads of cash
and then managers yeah yeah and have the
managers do the dirty right and then as
soon as you're broken down they just get
to get rid of you and get another
fucking son join in so and tell you that
you're part of the team if you work 12
hours a day yeah man like building
something here guys we right we're
building a legacy I don't give a fuck
about your legacy it's yeah man it's
something man I mean it's kind of nice I
mean it it is kind of nice to if you
don't have anything to do it's kind of
nice being part of like I'm saying in
general just like because the economy is
like participating in the economy raised
like kind of like you get your
first-hand experience of being in it
being on a team and having a common goal
and shit that's true like it because in
other besides sports right right side
sports this is like the other Avenue
like our modern economy that's like you
know we all to solve problems or
whatever to to to solve problems for
people I guess we form like into groups
or organizations right and like I was
like you know it's kind of cool to get
paid for this and then also like you
know help when you're a kid yeah but now
I'm like yeah I got to fucking live off
of this yeah man
like first it's fun when you don't care
you don't have any bills or any real
response exactly oh that's cool it's
nice right but yeah I think this leads
us into and the conversation about like
fucking what is the G Jack in Oh
Peterson debate about yes Marxism I
personally I didn't watch it I saw clips
yeah it was really long and Drona I
watched the whole thing
oh damn come in let's get a clap going
do I have a class
we'll do a lot okay now that's not it
fits right okay yeah that's good
actually enjoy the things that I watched
though are all long-form i watch podcast
I watched the whole thing
yeah like I don't cuz I don't watch TV
really yeah my my entertainment is
long-form discussions podcasts
entrepreneurship stuff yeah that's all
the stuff I watch
it's good yeah man yeah I think I
consume things like audio audio because
I mean I don't yeah I have to fucking do
two things at once yeah so yeah so yeah
I couldn't find a fucking audio thing so
I just watched it during my lunch breaks
mm-hmm kind of watched clips of it yeah
what'd you think
I mean I didn't I can't really judge the
whole thing yeah there were some funny
moments I guess this shit that I saw
were like the funny moments mm-hmm I
don't even remember them well some I
like the whole Jack just rubbing his
nose all the time yeah he's just coke
habit yeah yeah Jesus dude calm down man
fucking wired dude man he's like both of
those guys are characters in their own
respect right like you know I also think
Peterson didn't didn't do a good job of
defending his position that he took
really yeah Peterson did the best job I
don't think he's the best spokesperson
for yeah for that that's what I'm saying
like I think he's I think he did good
though for not being a guy who even like
has anything new with capitalism yeah
exactly yeah that's my point like gee
Jake I can understand him being more
because he actually has read Marx and
shit and like he's got red marks as well
yeah he but he had to read it for this
one I'm saying like I think he already
uh read it before no no like he had to
read it before the the debate but I'm
saying he didn't read it like by his own
volition like physically did he always
talks about Marxism yeah but he
literally he was like I have to read
he's like I have to read all of the love
marks like oh he only um parsed through
it yeah I guess he liked this beforehand
I don't know what cuz he was like yeah I
need to see man all
Marx works though his like yeah his
works actually you probably read the
Communist Manifesto I don't know if he
has dude I don't know if or this I think
he might have sparse to it and like
probably heard probably dissected ideas
from thinkers that took the big kind of
idea yeah yeah like was just talking
about them but um that was a main
criticism for most people cuz like and
and a criticism from I can I can
understand that criticism because on
both sides because both sides should
understand should come in for a good
debate at least you should come in
understanding each other's like
platforms yes
and like with Dziedzic he him being a
Marxist I doubt he's probably read any
any real before this probably read any
real like a big a big capitalists like
thinker kind of shit or people that
defend capitalism and and then for him
for for a Peterson like it was like he
just kind of had to start reading like
all of more like Marxist and Marxist
adjacent works and beforehand he was
like he was not really familiar with a
lot of that like he mainly took like
main critiques you know what I'm saying
so that was my main complaint like I was
like I don't think they were really both
suited it was kind of like putting these
two icons yeah on each on the left and
on the right yeah to like a match of the
Titans yeah yeah yeah but it was
hilarious because but they've wound up
agreeing on pretty much everything it
seemed and they were only disagreeing on
minor details about things yeah yeah but
that's what I'm saying like cuz this I'm
like Peterson is Canadian and I know he
has like sensibilities I imagine about
capitalism shortfalls as well but I know
they're I it's because in my head I
thought about more staunchly
pro-capitalist people when I was like I
was like like who would be a good
example there's just like some people
like really obscure people but like
that's what I'm saying okay you couldn't
like they wouldn't draw exactly exactly
that's why I was like yeah I mean I
I guess like it's it's it's the it's the
it's the tide it's not the not the title
demon it's the reputation exactly on the
guys exactly yeah yeah yeah because
people fucking flew in from yeah all
over the place right fuckin the Jordan
Peterson's just the fucking guy right
now he's got his he's got his base of
support and the right jejak is also he's
had a right they both right they both
work books they both they both her anti
what are the anti PC culture right well
they're both kind of like Mavericks in
their own realm yeah yeah yeah yeah and
yeah it was it was kind of I mean just
from what I saw it was kind of it was
kind of silly and funny to me yeah yeah
because they're both characters the
people call them lobster daddies yeah
yeah I didn't really I didn't really get
much from the debate honestly because it
was almost like the same stuff Jordan
Peterson I was saying mmm I don't know
if any comment particularly struck me
cuz it sounded like the same stuff and
then she's like I couldn't follow
anything he was saying half the time I
was just like I can't I'm so distracted
by his fucking nose and his shirt and
I'm also so distracted by his fucking
voice I don't know what he's talking
about and he just seems so
scatterbrained
I couldn't really handle his speech yeah
so Peterson was much more organized I
would just hope that he could translate
for me was music was trying to say yeah
and then I would just latch on mostly to
what Peterson was saying okay that makes
sense yeah you know it was it was yeah
some people I saw mostly also people
dissecting the fucking whole
conversation and they were just making
fun of both of them like fucking short
shit people making fun of Peterson for
like what is it like he was they made it
look like he was on his computer for
playing like solitaire yeah so I enjoyed
the fucking memes that came out of it
for sure at least yeah it wasn't much of
a debate though it
that's what I saw and I was like man
that would've been cool if it was an
actual like debate yeah that's what I'm
saying like you could have probably
gotten better defenders of yes said
capitalism and Marx right and Jesus are
already not really communist he's Ori
maybe he is but he's like a weird
version that's like he's only a
communist huh
actually Jordan Peterson did make the
good claim he said that you're claiming
communism when you're not really that
much of a communist and it kind of is
like he's he's um he know that Dziedzic
has such a following that to call
himself as communist is almost kind of
disingenuous just in genuine because
it's like he likes some ideas about
communism he was saying but it's like he
he's not actually a communist communist
agreed in almost all the same things
that was with capitalism communism and
he mostly addressed the problems with
capitalism he never addressed really
being of in favor of communism he's
mostly just like a guy who has problems
with capitalism so he tries to combine
it with communist ik ideas yeah it's
like yeah that's kind of even the place
Jordan Peterson I think was in and it's
more like a subtle argument so it's like
there was no good like guy who's for
communism and for capitalists yeah yeah
yeah and Jesus even said like yeah he's
like there are problems with Marxist
communism and I agreed with almost
everything that you said being Peterson
being he's talking to and yeah and all
the all the shortcomings of communism so
they really had no debate because they
already kind of agreed yeah on a
fundamental level and it was really only
the details they were getting hung up on
yeah like like I do you think there's a
like as for success of both of these
ideas it's it's clear who the winner is
yeah in today's world right capitalist
yeah yeah it's obvious but it is obvious
but at the same time like it's kind of
interesting that people like like there
are problems with like just with
capitalism right because yeah of course
because what do they say the
Cody said like capitalism is the worst
economic system there is except for all
the rest I mean it's true we can
probably do for you no I mean like the
I've seen like my argument is that like
it it really is probably the the best
system that's kind of lifted of lit
lifted us out of poverty for like
millennia mm-hmm
but at the same time you do get
exploitation and some bright early
especially early on if you're a
developing country you're more likely to
be exploited because like you know you
mean by a larger nation so by capitalist
right like I can bring my business to
India or fucking like some developing
country
yeah and just pay the people really low
wages and like you know put the minimal
infrastructure in right you know what I
mean like and and just be like yeah and
then take like could help them in the
long run though I mean yeah exactly it's
what I'm saying like early on you're
more likely to get exploit and that's
what happened here like in the
industrial revolution like people yeah
labor was getting exploited yeah you're
right people were like fuck you like and
and that's you know I think that it
obviously needs to be a balance right
like it needs to be yeah obviously
there's give-and-take with everything
right that's why I'm like I don't know
if it's there should be debates about
this but it's never gonna be one
radically winning over the other because
there are certain aspects of you know
communism it's like we're labor yeah
labor should be respected
right it's a dance it's a you know it's
like we're working in synergy labor
needs capital capital needs labor right
but I think one idea kind of prevails
but I think one idea kind of prevails. So you can say capitalism is better
than communism pretty clearly
if you're just judging based on the fundamentals.
so capitalism is.. capitalism is rooted
in a more realistic fundamental ideology
where humans are never gonna be equal.
Communism fails right at the gate
which is the problem I have with.. did I say capitalism?
I mean fails right at the gate
yeah that's the problem I have with
communists supporters they never want to
address the fundamental of.. they're
saying humans all want to be equal. It's
just not true well it's cuz their
argument is it's more based on like how
we are versus how things should be
yeah it's a naive it's idealistic its
idealistic for sure and I think you
could still operate within a cap because
a lot of the radical Marxist right the
mount radical communist thing you can't
operate in a capitalist framework at the
same time as being a 100 percent Marxist
right I mean is well hundred percent
anything is usually a bad idea
yeah yeah no that's my point like you
know because like people they talk about
ethical consumption have you heard about
this no so there's the a lot of they're
like this these are the radical ones
they they say like you can't live in
today's you can't live at eclis in a
capitalist economy because usually or
typically something that you buy will
probably be a product of exploitation at
some at some point down the line yeah
and I can I for sure for sure I can I
can agree with some of that like I'm
like okay like you know animals
definitely get treated cruelly yep
everything you're wearing and eating and
everything is in your ears and your eyes
cover so that's that's but that's the
same but that's what drives people to
like the radicalness of Marxism it's
yeah yeah you're right fucking people
are you know what fuck this right just
to me some fuckin burn from like start
burning from the ground up and then like
whatever and then for me it's like I
think you need to like scope out the
like I wonder can you really build like
if you enjoy all the fucking niceties of
modern life and modern comfort
presumably there's a
that there is and this is a big
assumption yeah assuming that you know
people taking a job are also doing a
calculation in their mind where they're
like yeah fuck it I'll take seven
dollars an hour versus fucking going in
the woods and you know just like
honestly I think it was a better deal
now I think I'd rather fuck my own food
one day hunting elk and then eat for a
month
yeah then work a slave wage for seven
dollars an hour to barely eat for a week
no yeah I think I think in some sense it
is preferable but people are given that
option it's it's I think I think the
problem is like a lot of Marxists also
think that we're forced in a capitalist
framework because yeah because of
everybody because they this is what I'm
telling me kind of Argos is more natural
yeah well the thing is they argue
there's like the radical I'm talking
about the radical people that have these
radical ideas like they think that we
should also abolish private property
because government owned yes they
believe that it should everything should
be collectively owned but at the same
time like private property should be
abolished because for one you're not
allowed to go do things like that like
what you're saying what you're not
allowed to go hunt whatever you want
whenever you've to the people you need
to well know today like right now if you
try to go hunt something you need a
license you need something well I mean
obviously in the Marxist framework you
would also probably need a license and
shit but you don't have to worry about
going into somebody's land and getting
shot or trespassing that kind of thing
that's kind of their argument like
you're not really truly free but how
hard is it to just find a place where
you need to hunt I know yeah that's my
point on Google and find where you can
hunt and you'll be fine yeah yeah no
totally I hundred percent agree with you
yes it's like but I'm saying they're
operating most people like this they're
operating in the in the radical
framework right right it's taking it to
the extreme yeah thank you things sound
making mountains out of molehills yeah
capitalism all day and I think
capitalism is a more natural system
because
you know as soon as one nation is
capitalist and it has things to offer
you know people are gonna be able to
still work within your regime and trade
like if you're outside of the country
that's capitalist you can still earn
things yeah and buy them in that
capitalist regime whereas in a Marxist
nation well I guess it depends uh my
argues about to fail because I don't
really know exactly how it would operate
exactly a Marxist regime without
prologue yeah like an economy like for
me like what you still have money
probably not you think you do but you
just have the same amount of money I
don't think I don't think everybody has
the same he just currency bro not at all
there's got to be some way because then
how would you know if someone's buying
something in surplus you don't you had
like like this this is megabyte like if
your actual Marx's hit us up in the
comment section yeah but like I like for
me I come from China's communist they
have money they do but they're not full
like it's like like a bastardization of
it Ryan like they take like the parts
that they like and like particularly the
aspects of control
yeah yeah exactly but yeah like I'm
talking maybe at North Korea sure yeah
yeah I think they got money man I don't
know man I think they have money cuz
like they they talk about personal like
a lot of Marxist make a differentiation
between personal property and private
property obviously private property
won't exist but like personal property
or it's like people have objects of you
know like books and shit yeah it's my
book
or something like that right and it's
hard to see I think I think maybe cuz
see money creates I think a class like
so that's what I'm saying I think it
would have to all the same amount of
money no person you would never have
like that's what I'm saying you wouldn't
if you had money you would always have
somebody with more money and that would
create yeah because you're saying is
they safe yeah cuz what if somebody has
different inclinations about like I'm
saving my money yeah I'm not gonna spend
it on your personal property sure they
all get the same amount of money
sure but that doesn't like what like
every two weeks or something yeah you
all get a thousand dollars every two
weeks but then I can just save up my
money you can go spend it wherever like
probably gonna be hard to though you'll
probably end up being around the same
well yes some people really are bad with
spending money yeah yeah yeah I don't
think I think money would be abolished
so that you can have like a ticket for
one food item for one hamburger
everybody gets a ticket for a hamburger
yeah honestly honestly when it gets to
that level I don't really it's because
like I think you can still borrow for
that though know some cocaine or subdued
I used to remember this shit I don't
remember anymore but yeah I've just
realized how ignorant I am of the
details of communism because I just
think if it's such a shitty system I
come from a radical I used to come I
used to follow I used to be a lot more
part of this discussion really like
years ago but like I'm remember like
because I used to follow radical like
capitalist Ilana radical capitalist and
like communist as well like radical
communist so like I kind of because I
didn't really know what was better you
know I was trying to dissect these ideas
so yeah it took time and I I kind of saw
like the the communist point of view and
in the capitalist point of view and I
did it walking out more on the
capitalist side but that's because I I
will admit I probably have a couple
biases
hmm but you know but logically doesn't
capitalism seem more logical to you the
fuzz within our framework of society I
think I'm saying try to think of it as
objectively as possible it's hard man
it's like I'm definitely bias because I
live that's true in this I grew up in
this and I definitely have a preference
right like let me ask you this but you'd
rather live in North Korea right yes
definitely but that's but that's that's
in disingenuous I I just wanted to see
what you'd say yeah I mean obviously
China versus USA
assuming that that I had the same access
to culture that I do
everything fuck man I don't know
probably the u.s. damn I don't know
that's hard because the u.s. is like you
know the u.s. obviously has dominant
culture and they're better better things
like yeah it's just for the economy if I
were to move now I probably wouldn't
move there but but that's why I'm saying
the economy is such a balance like if
things don't aren't working people will
move yeah we'll go to different
countries because there they have an
opportunity there right to make their
life better and it's and that's enough
of a thing to be like you know I don't I
don't really see anybody people
willingly give up their wealth and
niceties just to go live in communes
that's for sure but that's not everybody
right you know and if you want to talk
about like natural inclinations I think
like most people would rather be part of
a bigger community which is like the
participate in a bigger economy you know
but I mean who knows like I'm Mokey's
most most people live in cities
most people yeah if I think right I
think you're right and even the US right
I think most people live in cities I
think so
of course there's more of a density in
cities but most people I can't really
say for sure because I don't know
numbers like that but I would imagine so
yeah yeah I think the two biggest
populations are cities yeah and they're
along the coast yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
well then yeah like most people have
obviously you're showing preference yeah
to say like yeah you know cuz I mean
people talk about that in our history
books right like what if we went to
being agricultural living working off
the land and the farm and then once once
as farming became so easy to do that and
and and also you know money started
people started building industries and
should people move to the city
mm-hmm you know to make a living right
because obviously because I mean
personally I would prefer out it's much
less effort for me to earn $10 an hour
and then go
to rather and then like go spend $5.00
on a burger and then with the rest I'll
go like I don't watch a movie or
something mm-hm on a Sunday as opposed
to what as opposed to doing all that
shit myself making a fucking burger
catching the meat well you'd have to
live a different lifestyle yeah yeah
this what I'm saying like but a
calculation having money is more
preferable over yeah I'm completely
independent yeah because like our so the
whole reason why our economy works is
because everybody is as a role we're
lowering the cost of how do I say this
we're lowering the cost
we're collectively lowering the cost of
of products like because like you know
the guy who butchers the cow and cooks
the meat and everything he does it for a
fraction of the price that you pay for
that burger right cuz he does it in bulk
yeah and then the guy who cuts the wheat
mills the wheat sews the dough blah blah
blah that's your fucking bun the guy who
makes the lettuce like you know there's
so much effort to go and collect and
harvest all this shit to make one
fucking burger you reduce the call
significantly by all chipping in at a
high level yeah yeah yeah and then like
for me it only it only cost me an hour
of probably half an hour of labor right
to get a nice little bird right right
true supposed to doing all that fucking
works yeah fucking burger man that's
what I say most people do that do that
day to day right like I don't think I
don't think people sorry I don't think
people think about that David right like
the actual opportunity costs they're
saying like now I'd rather just like I'd
rather just work an hour yeah be able to
go buy a fucking burger right if like
doing it myself so yeah Phil yeah
nowadays I don't know if it's worth it
because then you got to pay all of your
paycheck to rent I think it almost might
be better to just make your own burger
like this days an age I don't know it's
getting to the point where I'm like damn
I could seriously see myself thinking
it's better to just live in the woods
and make my own shit so what do you
think went wrong greedy corporate read
it
just cap it's becoming capitalism run
amok the corporation's just keep getting
giant air and giant air yeah you know
you have fucking Disney buying up Fox
you know you got giants like comcast and
Walmart Amazon's now coming out with one
day shipping they're just so huge it's
just like these companies are just
becoming megalithic to the point where
they know they can just fuck everyone
because they have power they have the
power they have monopolies even when
they quote-unquote claim they don't have
monopolies you know Starbucks you know
these fucking guys are just so huge
nowadays it's like things are getting
ruined because they can just pay you
whatever they want yeah she's only
livable wage yeah you think there are
protections in place like you think
large corporations put protections in
place so that they don't have to go
through competition because they just
become so big that if they ever have
competition they stamp it out like a
fucking oh yeah that's weed in a garden
for sure yeah yeah I've heard of you've
heard stories about that
yeah I mean it's obvious louis c.k was
talking about how a starbucks will
that's that's right yeah yeah the same
one yeah he was talking about how
Starbucks you know Starbucks will open
like three Starbucks around a
mom-and-pop coffee shop yeah just so
they can say fuck you and make you have
no profit yeah and they're losing money
on those stores but they don't care they
just want to stamp out the competition
yeah that's just the level that
corporations the level of power
corporations have it's just absurd
yeah that's why I hate these giant
companies and they just always get
bigger and bigger and the thing is when
you get bigger you also have political
pull because then you can just pay off
politicians to make laws in favor of
your business so that you get to pay
zero
federal taxes at the end of the year
because you didn't make a profit it's
rather insane it's fucking crazy man
these guys are just they understand the
system so well and they understand money
so well yeah that it's it's a snowball
effect and it's just you know
exponentially increases their power to
where at some level you just can't do
anything you know if Amazon started
manufacturing drones they could just
kill everyone and
take over the government if they want to
test send like fucking drones right it
is that level of powers is absurd men
it really is it's it's kind of damn it's
insane
it never really I mean like because we
all you know it makes us all sort of
complacent and comfortable because we
all like the things that we have yeah
but imagine if you had a crazy guy who
just really wanted to see how much he
could fuck up the world you know yeah
it's like if that possibility exists it
can happen at some point yeah like
imagine of a billionaire who just wanted
to see how far he could go and he was
like the ultimate trol right huh like
Bezos could could take it to that level
yeah Bezos could in theory taking that
love he really wanted to take over shit
in the way that he wanted to yeah he
could probably make his own military
yeah he could probably make his own
nation yeah if you really wanted to like
I I it's it's crazy I the most egregious
thing that I've heard is that they don't
play like any federal taxes on anything
is that true yeah because the thing is
they make zero profit on the books
essentially or they're under profit on
the books okay I don't really know all
the loopholes I know there are some
things Bill burr was talking about this
in his podcast poor he was saying that
some big businesses they put their money
in offshore accounts yeah so when you
distribute your money in offshore
accounts you have all these little small
businesses yeah yeah so then
collectively it looks like somehow your
business doesn't make any any profit
mm-hmm they have these ways to work
around the books to make it so it looks
like they don't make profit so they have
to pay so they wind up paying CEO
percent taxes Wildman and arguably they
use yeah yeah yeah they use a lot more
resources like I was telling you right
there's a there's an argument to be made
on like a certain corporate tax rate to
be like well you know your corporation
uses or your company uses a lot more
public resources to engage in this
commerce mmm-hmm so you should pay into
a more like you you drive trucks on that
road Rio you
alright I think they argue like they're
bringing so much so many jobs and so
much business to people that it's like
they're actually helping your area or
whatever it is or the nation yeah
I don't know it's just it's gonna be a
thing it's gonna be a thing in our
generation to kind of you know it's
gonna be interesting how we are gonna
handle this yeah as a generation like
you know I'm about ready to live off the
land in a second oh yeah yeah are we
gonna fucking return to the are we
there's there gonna be a movement of
people just being like yeah fuck it you
know we're all just gonna like disengage
from the system and right and just like
could you imagine like I feel like it's
I'm already imagining a better life like
I could build my own house like a log
cabin and I could just hunt wild boar
yeah pay no taxes yeah you know fucking
get my own drinking water and that's
really all I need yeah you know yeah man
now now we're stuck living simulations
of that yeah you know what you're I
don't have to work 15 hours a day
to barely make rent yeah yeah yeah true
true you know yeah I mean I kind of
agree with that there's a very little
option to do that to nowadays because
every everything I think is owned for
the most part everybody has land to
claim everybody your own land you guys
of course taxes on your land but yeah
property property taxes are kind of
weird in my dannion anyway yeah yeah
before we get into adults shit yeah yeah
man this it's crazy
yes are you gonna watch fucking nine
Avengers the new me fuck last movie
probably not a theater and bro why it's
supposed to be good yeah yeah I'm gonna
watch it no spoilers so I don't know I
don't care either yeah it's supposed to
be huge it might kind of like yeah this
should be good
yeah but you sound really excited about
it just fucking tired we should wrap it
up it's time yeah fucking you know we
got we got into actually did you want to
do you have anything else I wanted to
talk about something cool
what's that bottom I feel like it's
already gone over because I kind of want
to dedicate a whole episode to it maybe
we can do it shit we can all right give
him give him a game of taste yes I've
been there was some some things about
UFOs lately about their ramping up UFO
sightings lately
oh hell yeah and Mike my fucking ally my
this is like one of my guilty pleasures
you know how anti any kind of cult shit
is yeah yeah any conspiracy dumb
bullshit but one of the things it's
always kind of fashioned a fascinating
Mia's UFO technology and and it kind of
prompted me to go back and start to get
on that it's gonna be uh yeah yeah well
we'll do it this week yeah hung up all
right yeah all right thanks for
listening to another episode of actually
I need a cut I need like I'm gonna
probably like hire somebody to do like a
fire Cebuano
you trying to get wrap it up do a voice
just like and should I get a sexy show
yeah yeah like it or like a guy yelling
like now fuck blood curdling like I like
it for sure and with that you know we'll
let Bill O'Reilly take us out so I don't
know what I don't know what that needs
to play us out what does that mean to
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