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Mark: You know, we're very supportive 
of the CPCs (Crisis Pregnancy Centers),
of the whole CPC idea 
- but there's a danger here.
And this is what we need 
to really be focusing in on.
Crisis Pregnancy Centers are 
not created to end abortion.
Sarah: Nope
Mark: They're created to end abortions.
Sarah: ssss! Plural.
Mark: With an s.
They're created to end 
abortions one at a time.
Sarah: Case by case basis.
Mark: Right.
Mark: And it's a noble effort - it's a 
humanitarian effort, that you would say,
"these women are in trouble, they need help." 
The pro-aborts sure aren't going to help them!
Sarah: No, in fact you've told me that there
are a number of times
that when abortion clinics have a woman 
who thinks that she wants to keep it,
but she's not sure what to do, 
they'll direct her to a CPC.
Mark: Right, and then come 
out an attack that CPC.
But anyway, the point is that 
CPCs aren't constituted,
and never were designed, to end abortion. 
They're designed to end abortions.
Over the years, if you went back 
to the early days of the CPCs
- and I was in the pro-life movement 
in the early days of the CPCs -
they represented one or two percent 
of the pro-life effort in America.
Sarah: Yeah.
Mark: It was an addendum to the pro-life movement.
Today, I think they represent seventy-five
percent of the pro-life movement.
Sarah: It went from
 being, basically,
the Red Cross version of the pro-life 
movement now to the front lines.
Mark: Yeah, that was the point I made when
I first started writing about this.
Sarah: Oh, I thought I came up with that. Well!
Mark: No, you didn't.
Sarah: I've just been around you too long.
Mark: You read it in Siege, is where you read it.
I wrote in Siege that, what we 
have to understand is that
the CPCs are the pro-life movement's 
version of the Red Cross.
It's a humanitarian effort, it's very necessary,
it's something that God would want us to do...
Sarah: Yeah, we're not minimizing the necessity
or the importance of them at all.
Mark: Right, but let's recognize something
- humanitarian efforts don't win wars.
And this is a war.
Sarah: Yeah, we have to 
recognize their actual function.
Mark: If you can imagine
back in World War 2,
when Patton's Third Army 
was going across Europe.
The fate of the world was resting 
on Patton's Third Army - literally.
If you go back and read about it.
Sarah: Yeah, we were a gnat's wisker away
from not winning World War 2.
Mark: And without Patton, 
we would not have won it.
Now let's imagine that 
Patton is going across...
and one of the big problems 
that Patton had was supply lines.
I mean, one time he was held up for days - his
whole army stuck - because they had no gas.
Sarah: In one spot!
Mark: In one spot because they had no gasoline.
Sarah: Can you imagine how 
terrifying that would have to be.
Mark: Yeah.
Sarah: You can't move anywhere,
you can't go anywhere, 
you can't move your tanks
because you're on empty.
Mark: You're out of gas.
You're just standing around 
waiting on gas to get there.
Sarah:...in the middle of enemy fields...
Mark: So, you had an army of a million men
that Patton was in control of
- and you had to feed them every day, 
you had to clothe them everyday -
so if you're supply lines were 
cut off, you were in deep trouble.
Sarah: Yeah.
Mark: Imagine that for a moment, Eisenhower,
who was head of the Allied Forces, had called
Patton and said, "General, you're going to
be held up another couple of weeks, or a month,
because we're going to divert a lot of the
supplies over to the Red Cross."
(Sarah Laughs) Sarah: I can't even 
imagine the words that he would choose.
You probably couldn't put it on television.
Mark: Oh yeah, you couldn't put it on air.
But had that happened, then 
we would have lost the war.
We'd all be speaking German right now.
Sarah: Yeah.
Mark: Patton understood, and everybody understood,
the Red Cross is not going to win this war.
This is a noble thing that we're doing, we
should be doing it, we should be supporting
the Red Cross, but it should be an addendum
to the Army, and to the Navy, and to the Marines.
We should not be taking supplies 
and support away from them,
to give to this humanitarian effort -
because humanitarian 
efforts do not win wars.
That's a concept that we 
need to keep in mind, here.
Yeah, we need to support 
the CPCs as an addendum.
But if we continue this evolution 
toward stopping abortions
being the focus of the pro-life movement...
Sarah: Then we're never going to win.
Mark: ...we're doomed. 
We're history.
And that's something that we really, 
really, need to think about.
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