

### Relationship With God:

### Faith & Prayer

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller) &

### Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck)

### Session 2

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### This ebook is a transcript of a seminar delivered by Jesus (also known as AJ Miller) and Mary Magdalene (also known as Mary Luck) on 12th May 2013 in Murgon, Queensland, Australia, as part of the Relationship with God series. In this seminar Jesus and Mary describe the qualities and attributes of faith; that faith is based upon absolute truth, faith holds on to absolute truth in all circumstances, faith is based upon experiences, and faith has similar qualities to love and truth. They describe prayer as a sincere longing for God's Love, outline some of the benefits of receiving God's Love, and describe how to develop a sincere longing for God's Love. This seminar follows on from "Relationship with God - Faith and Prayer Session 1".

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Table of Contents

### Faith & Prayer: Session 2 Part 1

1. Introduction

1.1. Engaging Divine Truth emotionally rather than intellectually

1.1.1. Feeling through addictions

1.2. Focusing on building faith and our relationship with God rather than emotions

1.3. Engaging the Great Experiment

2. Faith is based on absolute truth

2.1. All faith in false beliefs eventually dies

2.1.1. Faith in false beliefs resorts to violence in order to maintain itself

2.2. Being ethical shows us the truth

2.2.1. An example of violence on Earth

2.2.2. An example of cold wars between countries and within families

2.3. It is better to have no faith than faith in false beliefs

2.4. We only know truth when it is in our heart rather than our mind

2.4.1. Emotionally learning the truth that violence is not loving

2.5. Being truthful about longing for God's Love

2.6. Engaging Divine Truth emotionally and with faith rather than intellectually

3. Faith holds on to absolute truth in all circumstances

3.1. An example of believing God is punishing

3.2. An example of false beliefs about love

3.3. Gaining faith in absolute truth through experimentation

3.3.1. An example of a participant getting confused when she is afraid

3.3.2. Experimenting based on intellectual faith

4. Faith is based upon experience

4.1. Building faith through experiences changes our lives automatically and permanently

5. Faith, truth and love have similar attributes

5.1. Faith, God's Truth and God's Love are infinite in nature

5.2. Faith, God's Truth and God's Love have joy

5.3. God created the human soul to grow infinitely in love, truth and faith

6. Faith is based on absolute truth (continued)

6.1. The basis of faith found in Christians is a focus on God's Love, ethics and morality

7. Faith comes when Divine Love comes

8. Faith, truth and love have similar attributes (continued)

9. Faith creates action

10. Audience questions

10.1. Faith remembers past experiences

10.2. Developing faith in ourselves and in God

10.3. Mistakes are acting out of harmony with love, not a lack of knowledge

10.4. An example of a participant struggling with her identity and false beliefs

10.5. Divine Love transforms the soul from its normal state

10.6. We will receive Divine Love whenever we have a sincere longing for it

10.7. Error must be released from the soul before truth can enter it

10.8. Removing blockages to receiving Divine Love allows Divine love to purify the soul

10.9. We will receive Divine Love whenever we have a sincere longing and humility

### Faith & Prayer: Session 2 Part 2

11. Prayer is a sincere longing for God's Love to enter our soul

11.1. The human soul was created with the potential to become the perfect natural human

11.2. God exists outside of the universe

11.3. God's Love can physically enter our soul

11.4. Prayer opens the human soul to Divine Love

11.5. Discerning what is a sincere longing

12. Developing a longing for God

12.1. An analogy of developing a longing for a relationship with another person

12.2. Working through unworthiness feelings towards God

12.2.1. Having faith that error is not a part of us and can be released

12.3. Getting to know God by forming a relationship with God

12.4. Observing God's Nature by observing beauty in the universe

12.5. Finding the cause of emotional issues rapidly with the help of God

13. Prayer must come from the soul to be effective

14. Prayer is effective if our longing is in harmony with God's Longing

14.1. An example of wanting God to take our pain away

15. Audience questions

15.1. An example of a participant processing emotions but not feeling closer to God

16. Prayer from the soul is transmitted to God instantly

17. Prayer is effective if our longing is in harmony with God's Longing (continued)

17.1. Being truthful about our feelings towards God

18. Benefits of receiving Divine Love

18.1. Divine Love transforms our soul into a new creature

18.2. Divine Love gives new capacities to the human soul

18.2.1. Teleportation

18.2.2. Feeling others' souls accurately

18.3. Divine Love prevents sickness and aging in our bodies

18.4. Divine Love gives freedom to physical experiences

18.5. The importance of prayer

18.6. God respects our free will

18.7. Divine Love transforms our soul into a new creature (continued)

19. Blockages to receiving God's Love

19.1. Treating our brothers and sisters out of harmony with God's Love

19.2. Finding the blockages within ourselves

20. Audience questions

20.1. Receiving Divine Love when the longing is sincere

20.2. An example of a participant repeatedly asking the same question

20.3. An example of a participant expressing more natural love

21. Experimenting with faith and prayer

22. Closing words

Faith & Prayer: Session 2 Part 1

1. Introduction

G'day, everyone, how are you this morning?

As you can see, Mary's joining me today. (Applause) We want to continue with the discussion about faith for a little while longer this morning before we get onto the subject of prayer. The main reason why is because I didn't cover everything I needed to cover yesterday about faith, and so I wanted to introduce a few more topics to you.

Mary: I felt there was a little bit of resistance in the audience yesterday. A few things were confronted. I always sit there like a little cheerleader going, "Put up your hand! Ask your question! (Laughs) You know, just say it! It'll be okay!" (Laughs)

Mary: Often I can feel Jesus is explaining something but there are a lot of questions in people's minds, but nobody just says, "Look I don't get it." And I feel like when people take what feels like a risk to do that, a lot more clarity comes for a lot of other people. So I'd like to encourage you guys to just go, "I don't get it."

Participant: I've heard you say in the past that when you become at-one with God our faith will actually increase that we can do that.

It will but unfortunately it's only an intellectual kind of a faith that grows under those circumstances.

### 1.1. Engaging Divine Truth emotionally rather than intellectually

Participant: The other thing was I think I've become one of those neurotic paranoid people who is so worried about being in addiction and figuring stuff out. You said yesterday you don't do that. I'm going, "What?!"

No. No I'm not very neurotic.

Participant: No, no I realise this!

Mary: Or intellectual.

Even though others might claim I am. (Laughs)

Participant: Yeah. I think it's all that injury about wanting to be perfect and do it right, so I've heard you say that you write lists about addictions and...

Well one of the biggest problems that most people face is you're still trying to do everything intellectually rather than emotionally. When you do that, you end up with these kinds of problems, the kind of problems where you're getting worried about everything and what's going on, you can see the addiction but nothing's really happening. You're trying to heal it but nothing's going on with that either.

You end up in this space where you're really just trying to do what anybody else who's heard any truth in the past would do, and what most people in religions do; that is they hear some truth and then they become very concerned about having to follow it, and they use all of their might. If I could say "might" in the sense of all of their intellectual strength and all of their effort goes into trying to follow it, but they don't realise there's some kind of resistance in their soul to following it. If you get rid of the resistance in your soul, then everything's easy.

So if you're only focused on the resistance in your soul that is far more powerful than focusing on everything else and doing everything else.

1.1.1. Feeling through addictions

Mary: So we've often spoken about before and I feel the most powerful way to deal with the addiction is to feel how much you want it. A lot of people go, "Oh I got that addiction. I've got to stop it, got to stop it. Okay what's the causal? What's the causal? How am I going to get there? Okay. Have I got there? Do you think this is the causal, Mary? Should I be feeling this?" And my response is always, don't act on the addiction but feel how much you want to because that's the beginning of the emotional process.

Participant: So when you say feel how much you want it, and experience it, go to God with the anger of "I want this", not just feel it without the expression?

Mary: Yeah - in whatever way the emotion presents itself, let yourself feel that. Now initially that might be anger, which is really about, "I can't have this addiction and I want it!" but under that there's a lot of other really needy feelings that lead to sort of sad feelings - all those feelings that are really present if you just let yourself feel your addiction.

Participant: I got confused about that because one of the talks you did years ago about entitlement was to just cry every time someone doesn't treat you the way you want to be treated. I then thought well that's just crying about an addiction not being met.

It is.

Participant: So you've got to go through that process.

Yes, you do. You have to see that you wanted the addiction met and that your crying is the result of you wanting it met so much that you're unwilling to look at its cause.

But now we're getting into a discussion about emotions... again, actually. (Laughs)

1.2. Focusing on building faith and our relationship with God rather than emotions

I want to focus on faith because I feel this is one of our primary problems. Many of you are so focused on emotion and still focusing all of your effort on emotion, and the main reason why is because you don't have any faith. You haven't got this experience happening with God and so you are having to go through and work through every single emotion by itself on its own with no assistance from God, really, through the process. And of course you feel sometimes very confused about that, and you don't know what the truth is, and you don't know what an error is and so forth. It becomes very plain if you do it with God, with faith. [00:08:27.04]

Mary: A lot of us try to deal with the emotions so then we're good enough for God, and that's the opposite of faith and prayer actually.

Yeah. In fact myself and Mary were having a conversation maybe three months ago now where Mary was saying that she felt like she needed to do this and do that and do this and do that before she could pray for Divine Love. And I'm going, "Well why do you feel like you have to do all of those things?" She said, "Oh because I have to let go of all the untruth before I can pray for Divine Love." And I'm going, "Well, no, I've never said that at all. You don't." The truth is a doorway to love, but I've never said you have to let go of all of the untruth before you can receive any love. Because that's actually the Natural Love Path. That's exactly what you would do on the Natural Love Path.

1.3. Engaging the Great Experiment

Mary: The most powerful thing that got me to that realisation was just to engage the great experiment intentionally every day. Before then I was praying to God about heaps of things - bring me truth, help me be humble - all those things, but I wasn't asking for love because I thought I'm not good enough for that yet. I'm not going to get it. I'm going to have to be a good girl and perform before I get it. (Laughs)

How many of you are thinking that you have to be good enough before you're going to get any love? Yeah, the majority of the audience. That's not love then, is it? That's barter. That's what you've done with your parents and that's what you've done with society, and maybe even your partner still, but that's not real love. Real love is somebody loving you without you having to work on it or without you having to have it.

Mary: The thing that really hit me with that emotion was \- and this is where exactly what Jesus is saying to you - the more you talk about this stuff it doesn't really help. If you just do the experiment every day, it gets you a visceral experience, such as, "Oh! I feel totally unworthy of this love now that I'm actually asking for it." It's just so powerful to engage the experiment.

So this is where faith will challenge you, you see.

This is why what we want to do this morning is just revise some of the main points that we learned yesterday about faith so that we can understand the basic principles of what a real true faith will do in terms of motivating you, in terms of helping you grow, in terms of growing your own passions and desires and so forth, and in particular in terms of coming into a relationship with God. So what we'll do is we'll first note down the main points that we learned yesterday about faith. [00:11:18.14]

Now what do you feel the first main point is from yesterday?

Participant: That we inherently learn faith by the time we're three years old, based on the experiences that we immediately have. You used the example of gravity.

Yeah I'd put that as point number three or four actually.

2. Faith is based on absolute truth

Mary: What's faith-based on?

Participant: It's based on facts and experience.

And whose facts?

Participant: Yours.

No. No, not at all. (Laughs). Whose facts?

Mary: Yours as in AJ's, or yours?

Whether it's yours or mine it's not wrong... the answer's wrong. (Laughs)

Participant: Absolute facts, absolute truth.

Absolute truth. So it's faith based on absolute truth. So it's absolute truth that we're focusing on and who has that? God. Only God, actually. Only God has absolute truth.

None of us for the rest of our existence will ever find out everything God has done. So all of you who believe that when you become at-one with God all of a sudden you're all knowing, well that's false. You're not going to be all knowing. You're going to continue to learn more things. You'll be at-one with God in love, in other words you will act in the same manner God would act in harmony with love on every issue, but you won't know everything. Get used to not knowing everything! (Laughs)

It's not bad to not know everything, honestly. For most of us, when we were children were brought up in this environment, particularly by the time we got to school, we were punished for not knowing things. Many of us come from that generation where there was corporal punishment in schools for not knowing things, and many of us become so afraid about not knowing something.

Well God's not like that. God says, "No, you're never going to know everything I know!" (Laughs) That's what God's saying to you, "So give up this feeling that I want to punish you for not knowing too." God doesn't want to punish you for not knowing. God wants you to have a desire to discover. What we're trying to do is discover the absolute truth, but the absolute truth is God's domain, and faith is based on absolute truth, not your personal opinion. Not your personal belief. Not your wishful thinking. Not your hopeful thinking. It's actually based on truth. [00:14:07.21]

2.1. All faith in false beliefs eventually dies

Mary: What do you think happens to faith when we base it on a false belief or a false idea, or an untruth? What's going to happen?

So what Mary's saying is if you put a faith in something that ends up not being God's Truth, what finishes up happening?

Mary: Such as, "My parents are all knowing!" (Laughs) When I'm three I might put faith in that. What happens to that faith eventually?

Participant: I become disillusioned?

Well no, it's even worse than that actually. (Laughs)

Participant: I get angry?

No, no. I'm not talking about your personal emotional experience. What I'm saying is, what happens to the belief?

Mary: What happens to the faith?

Participant: It becomes arrogance.

Well it does but it even gets worse than that. And it's not an emotion that I'm asking for here, by the way. It's something else.

Participant: You lose your faith.

Of course! Of course, it disappears. It dies. You see, the entirety of God's Universe is created around truth, which is related to God. So if you have faith in something that's not a part of this universal truth, sooner or later it's going to disappear. It's going to die. Of course all of God's Laws are totally oriented around killing it. (Laughs)

Mary: For your own good! (Laughs)

For your own good. (Laughter) So having faith in something that is false is pointless, and in fact all of God's Laws of the universe are governed to try to destroy that kind of faith. God wants that faith gone. It's not even in harmony with the universe. It's not in harmony with the object of your own creation. So any faith that you have that is based on false beliefs or false opinions is just going to die. [00:16:25.09]

God's Universe is created around truth, and faith in beliefs that are false will eventually die

Now a lot of religious faiths on the planet are so intent on holding on to what is obviously false beliefs. So let's look at one of them - the false belief that there is a chosen race or a chosen religion. It makes no logical sense, it makes no reasonable sense, and it also makes no emotional sense because it means that God would have favourites and play favourites. So sooner or later that idea or concept is going to have to die. It doesn't matter whether it's in the Bible or the Quran or any other book, it has to die - sooner or later - because it's not a part of the truth of God's Universe.

God has these laws that are constantly working against the faith that most people on the planet have because most people have a faith in things that are false. That's great that we have this beautiful operation of God's Laws attacking, if you like, or actually rejecting, anything that's false. Sooner or later people on the planet will recognise, "Oh yeah, that doesn't make any sense." Sooner or later they will have to recognise these particular things because all of the laws of the universe are constructed to try to get rid of these false concepts and ideas that we've imbibed from long times in periods in human history. They've all got to disappear if we're ever going to have a loving operation on Earth with every single person and every single country; many of these false beliefs have to disappear. They've all got to go and God's Laws, the truth, the absolute truth about God, are constantly opposing these false beliefs and ideas. So any faith that you put in a false belief will be destroyed.

Now if you feel disillusioned as you mentioned, Laurleen, feel disillusioned. But at the end of the day it needs to go anyway. Every false idea you have from God's Perspective needs to go. You need to let yourself feel whatever emotion you feel. If you feel disillusioned, feel disillusioned, but let it go. If you feel angry about having been taught something that was false for many years, let that go. If you feel sad about having been taught something false for many years, let that go too.

2.1.1. Faith in false beliefs resorts to violence in order to maintain itself

Mary: Can you see how when we hold onto those emotions, it's almost like we want to stay outside of truth, in our false beliefs. We want to hold on to the error; we feel it is a bad thing that what we had faith in proves to be not true. We want to hold onto the fact that that was wrong when really, just as we've just pointed out to you, it's a good thing. It's a good thing that you were brought the truth, and hey, that belief's not going to serve you. There's a better one that is actually based in truth.

Not only that it's not going to serve you, it's not going to serve all of humanity. Any faith that's false will resort to violence in order to try to keep itself in play.

Mary: Can you relate to that? Things that you've had faith in, in the past, and you've been willing to get angry about, willing to defend.

Perhaps even feeling like you want to punch someone in the nose about. In fact whole wars - historically - have been caused by this. The Crusades of the Dark Ages, with the Christian faith attacking the Muslim faith and so forth was all about this - false faith, and wanting to retain their false beliefs and resorting to violence in order to perpetrate them.

Now if we have a true faith that would never happen because all of the true faith is, if you like, within the universal structure of God's Truth. And all of God's Truths are loving. So we would never resort to violence just to protect a belief if we had true faith.

This is a very important thing to understand about faith. It's very important to understand this number one thing, and that is that every personal opinion you have, it doesn't matter where it came from, sooner or later in your future it has to disappear if you're going to be in complete harmony with God's Truth. [00:21:02.05]

Mary: If we know that faith based on false ideas and beliefs is eventually going to have to die or leave us, what's going to happen to the faith that we have of truth, the faith that is based on absolute truth? It's only going to grow, because it reinforces itself with love and truth.

So that's a very important principle about faith.

2.2. Being ethical shows us the truth

Participant: But the sad thing is that most of humanity has not got the discernment and the knowledge about what the real truth is.

I don't agree. If you apply the ethical standards upon most things in humanity, you can see that straight away all of us would know. The ethical standard is I want to treat you the same way I would like you to treat me, not how you treat me, but how I would like you to treat me. Now if that's my standard, I would have a large degree of knowledge of truth already. So whenever you start yelling at me I'd go, do I want to yell at her back? No because her yelling at me doesn't feel very good. What I would like her to do is stop yelling at me. I would never yell back at you as a result of that if I had that ethical standard.

I feel if we have ethical standards, and if all religions were based primarily on ethical standards first, we would not have any religious violence on this planet - none whatsoever, if we were all brought up with these ethical standards of no matter what your beliefs are, no matter what your circumstances are, no matter how you act towards me, I'm going to treat you in the way I want you to act towards me, not in the way that you are acting towards me. Now if that was taken as my standard, I would already have a lot of truth in my day-to-day life.

Mary: I'd know the truth about what's loving, what's kind, what's considerate, what's the way to treat my brothers and sisters.

And remember we're saying that all truth is based upon love and loving standards. So if that's the case, if I'm just being ethical in my day-to-day life, even without God, without any knowledge of God, or with God, it doesn't matter which way; as long as I had ethical standards, I would already have a large degree of truth.

So I don't feel we can say, "Oh but we don't know," or, "The majority of people on Earth don't know what's true." I can't agree with that. The majority of us do know and we don't give a damn. Do you understand? We do know how we would like to be treated, but we are willing to treat other people badly.

Mary: Because ours is a special case.

Yeah - because we have some kind of unique circumstances. We don't. If we look at it properly we cannot continue to justify bad behaviour from ourselves towards others - no matter what - how they behave towards us. If we continue to justify it, all we are doing is continuing the cycle of badness on the planet.

2.2.1. An example of violence on Earth

So what happens normally on this planet is that one person yells at another, so that person yells back, and then the other person who yelled first wants to yell louder, so he yells louder and the other person starts going, "Well I can't yell louder than he is now, so what I need to do is get out something like a rock or a gun or a knife or a bazooka and blow him away!" This is how wars have begun through this process of anger, rage, anger, rage escalating into violent rage, and none of this works. We should know this by now. We're intelligent people. We know that this escalating violence doesn't work.

If you think about your own day-to-day life, how often does it happen in your family? How often does it happen with your own husband and wife relationship where one gets a little bit antsy, the other one escalates, and the other one escalates and before you know it there's either cross words or no words for a few days, like a cold war situation inside of the family. [00:25:29.08]

2.2.2. An example of cold wars between countries and within families

We've had whole countries like Russia and America in a cold war situation for years and years and years and we don't go, "Wow, yeah, that's probably because in our own families we often revert to cold war situations." (Laughs) We don't see what's really going on. What we need to do is take more stock of ourselves, not the other person, but of ourselves. We need to be more honest about our own emotional condition.

Mary: I was just thinking about all these countries quietly stockpiling weapons; how often we do that in our relationship. We quietly stockpile that.

It's like you've got an intellectual list of everything the other person's done wrong, and whenever some situation flares up, what do you do? You bring up the list. (Laughs) "You did this three years ago! And five years ago you did this!" and so forth. Isn't that the same as stockpiling a nuclear arsenal? (Laughter) And then you wonder why they're still stockpiling nuclear arsenals. Well it's because your own emotions dictate that kind of action towards another, instead of letting things go, instead of letting these damaging, harmful emotional conditions go. And why don't we let them go? Because we have no faith, no faith that if we are loving, things will become good. So we have no faith in love. That's the reason why we don't let it go.

2.3. It is better to have no faith than faith in false beliefs

Participant: I don't know if other people have had the experience, but you grow up with religious beliefs and you realise that a lot of those are false after a while. So you end up having no faith. So you're saying you're actually in a better position than having the faith in false beliefs?

Totally better position. Remember if we establish a religious position, many of the things we have a faith in are in false beliefs. And all of God's Laws are trying to destroy those beliefs.

God's Truth is designed to destroy false beliefs

It's great when they've all gone, not a bad thing! (Laughs) And a person says, "I've got no faith at all now." No - what they've often got in that place is a lot of anger and sadness. If you let go of the anger and sadness that your faith has been destroyed, you're now with a blank slate and you're now willing to learn the absolute truth from God in that place, and that's a fantastic place to be.

Mary: And ironically often, as you let go of the anger and the grief about it, truth just seems to flow. You go, "Oh, now I know that thing was right and that thing was definitely wrong."

Yeah. So I would not be concerned about the sort of the destruction of faith when faith is attached to false beliefs, because all false beliefs must be eventually destroyed if we're ever going to experience love on the planet. Any false belief we have about being unloving needs to go if we're really going to ever as a society change where we still honour each other's desires; we still honour each other's individuality; we still honour each other's right to make decisions and choices for their own lives; we still honour that they have different beliefs but we're unwilling to act out of harmony with love whenever anybody is in a different place than ourselves. Different culture, different religion, different gender, different whatever, it doesn't matter; we're still going to love them and that is the most important thing that we need to realise. And it's the false beliefs that stop us from doing that, and that's why in the end God wants you to get rid of them. (Laughs)

2.4. We only know truth when it is in our heart rather than our mind

Participant: I followed an Eastern philosophy that I understand now is not for me...

When you say it's not for you, is it just not for you, or is it false?

Participant: Well it's false.

Okay. Can you see even there's an unwillingness to state when things are false or true? When you've discovered something is false then say it, not just say, "It's not for me"; that's an avoidance of a conflict with another person who believes in those things. That's what that is. You follow me?

Participant: Yeah, it's family stuff.

So when you say, "Oh the Eastern philosophies that I had before aren't for me," all you're doing is expressing your fear, and your fear is, "I can't say they are false. I've discovered that they're false, because other people might get challenged by that." And I'm saying - good! Other people need to be challenged by that! (Laughs) Because anything that is false is completely challenged by the universal truth. And it's not my truth - it's God's Truth. It's truth that God can teach us through a process. So we need to be firmer for this truth. We need to not just go it's "not good for me" anymore - it's not good for the entire planet! (Laughs) [00:30:50.05]

Participant: Yep I guess I'm reiterating what's happened in my family.

I know. (Laughs)

Participant: Yes. (Laughs) Because when I went down that path for twenty years and they kept saying, "Well what if you discover that you're wrong?" And I'll say, "Well, I'll be wrong." And now, like I've changed and...

You've discovered you were wrong.

Participant: Yeah and if I say anything they often go, "You're so arrogant. What makes you think you know?" And then I go, "Well I know only intellectually what you tell me, because I haven't felt it except parts of it."

Yeah see I can't agree with that.

You only know the things you've felt. So you can hear a lot of things from myself, and we've done nine hundred hours of talking that is recorded, so that's a lot of things to hear. It does not mean that you know any of them until you feel them. When you feel them you will not have an arrogance but you will have a firmness for everything that you hear. This is one thing that I feel we don't understand about love. Love is strong once it's based on truth. If "love", so-called "love", is not based on truth, it's as weak as anything... it's weaker than the weakest substance you can imagine because all we've got to do is throw a bit of stuff at it and it disappears. But love based on truth is not like that. Love based on truth stands up for itself. It's very different. [00:32:24.05]

Participant: Well, what I was trying to get to...

No worries! (Laughs) Keep going.

2.4.1. Emotionally learning the truth that violence is not loving

Participant: ... was that the love that we were taught under this Eastern philosophy was no violence and da da da. What I understand now is it was a lot of suppression.

So can I say that the love you were taught to have no violence, for example, that's a good thing, is it not? No violence is a good thing.

Participant: Yeah but it was still coming out of me...

I agree. So the problem was not the teaching but the fact is that that teaching was not in your heart. That was the problem. So the problem with many beliefs on the planet is not necessarily the teachings themselves but the fact that the teaching of truth is not in your heart. No violence is a Divine Truth. God doesn't want any violence, doesn't want us to be violent. So that's a Divine Truth. So that's a Divine Truth that we have a choice of either intellectually trying to follow or it's in our heart. I'm suggesting to you if you were still being violent with people, still being angry with people and so forth, then that means it wasn't in your heart, and that's the problem. The problem is it wasn't in your heart.

Now the real question then is, how do I get this teaching - that no violence is loving - which is the truth, into my heart? That's the real question. How do I get it there?

So no matter what philosophy I have and no matter what religious faith I have, the real question becomes if I know that this teaching of my faith that no violence is loving, whatever my faith is, is an absolute truth of God, because it makes logical sense, it's totally scientific and it makes social sense as well, and all the other places where it's logical to apply it towards, and if it makes total sense to me, then the issue that I face personally is how do I get that teaching in my heart? That's the issue.

I'm saying to you, it's very hard to get it in your heart through your own effort. The way to get it into your heart is to receive some of God's Love into your heart and then whatever is the reason why this teaching is not in your heart will be exposed, and you will have to process some emotion about it and you'll let go of the idea or concept that violence is justified under circumstances. That will happen in your heart.

Now remember when Rochelle asked the first question today, the issue is we get into our head thinking that we can practice Divine Truth by following what's in our head, but the reality is we can't. It can only happen by our heart being transformed, and our heart can only be transformed by two methods. One method is you using personal effort to change your heart every single moment of your life - that's one method. That's called the natural love method. The second method is you, through a relationship with God, receiving God's Love into your heart, which will automatically expose all of these errors that are in your heart and release them. That's the second method. That is the method I'm recommending to you because it's the fastest method to change. [00:35:53.12]

Most people who are members of religions do not actually change in their heart. They change their actions without changing their heart. And so what happens; an external circumstance of some kind comes up, such as somebody murders their own child, or some kind of very extreme circumstance like that, and immediately because this truth that no violence is loving was not in their heart, they revert to what is in their heart instantly - a justification, in this case of violence. That's why we have violence continuing even though most religions on the planet teach otherwise.

So if you look at most of the holy books on the planet, they all mention that it's not loving to be violent all the time. Yet what do we see? We still see religious violence. Why? Because the teaching hasn't entered the heart. If the teaching had entered the heart, there would be no motivation towards religious violence. There would be no motivation for violence of any sort if the teaching were in the heart.

So the key question then is, how do I get the teaching in the heart? That's the key question, isn't it? Because if we truly want to change what goes on on this planet, we are going to need to have God's Truth written in our heart, not on a piece of paper somewhere, not in a book somewhere, but actually written on our heart so much so that it's an automatic thing for us to engage that particular truth.

2.5. Being truthful about longing for God's Love

Participant: Yeah. But what I'm feeling is, okay, if I'm believing that I'm praying, and it's not happening, then I'm doing something that is not... I haven't... I don't know what else to do if...

Well you're not being honest with yourself. If you're believing you're praying and nothing's happening, and you're not getting the answers you want, what you think you want, then you're not being honest with yourself. You're not really praying.

Mary: You have to do this - everyone, all of us, have to do this thing - get real!

Like many of you go, "Oh, I've prayed for Divine Love but I haven't received much," and I say, "Why?" And you go, "I don't know." What?! How can you not know? From God's Perspective, He wants to give you it, so what can be the only reason why you're not receiving it? Because you don't want it for some reason. That's the only reason! That can be the only reason. [00:38:29.18]

Mary: I often feel we have these ideas of ourselves that we want to hold onto. We want to go, "No, I was really praying," and really when we sincerely engage in prayer it is my experience that even if I don't receive Divine Love, I certainly get a lot more real with what's inside of me because it's a heart opening process, prayer. But often these things start coming up and we go, "No, no. Nah-uh. No, no I couldn't have that feeling," because I judge that one. "I actually just want God to meet my demands," or as AJ was talking about yesterday, "Just make my pain go away." Or, like I shared earlier, "I don't feel worthy of this love."

But we're not seeing in all of that, I feel, is that God is showing us every single moment of every single day what is wrong. So we've got to be pretty blind to not see it. Honestly, we do. We have to be pretty blind to not see it. Every law of the universe is created for you to see it, and if you're asking God, if you're engaging this biggest Law of Divine Love, the law that we started talking about yesterday, you're engaging this law accurately, and you're asking God to receive God's Love into your heart to help transform you, and you're not receiving it, then don't go blaming God and say, "Ah, maybe God doesn't want to do it today." Or, "Maybe God's gone asleep. Maybe I'll wake God up first. Knock knock knock! Wake up!" What is it that we're trying to do with God? God's there all the time waiting for us to have a sincere, pure desire for this love. So if we're not receiving it, we can only reflect that it must be something that we are doing. We've got to stop being blind to that.

Mary: Absolutely. Lots of us have decided we can see evidence of all these laws working. We have experiences and we think, "Ah, I can see that the Law of Attraction is really real," and then when we go to pray, we go, "Yep, but not on this occasion." (Laughs)

2.6. Engaging Divine Truth emotionally and with faith rather than intellectually

I think what we need to do is raise the next issue. It will help also solidify what we need to do with faith, because it's really important to understand how all of this affects your day-to-day life. Many of you are getting so complicated in your internal reasoning that you're going way, way away from the simplicity of something that a child can understand with regard to their relationship with God. It's very important that you give up all of this intellectual reasoning in the way that you're doing it, because a lot of it is driven by doubt and fear, which is the opposite of faith. Most of our intellectual reasoning's are all driven by doubts and fears.

So when I say God is a god of love, you say, "But what about when this happened on the Earth? Or that happened on the Earth? Where was the God of love then?" Well there's your doubt and fear coming up. Feel it. Allow yourself to work your way through it. If you've got rage towards God about it, let yourself process that. But get to the point where you've let these things go so that you're clear enough to be able to reason on this issue that God is love, for example. [00:41:42.00]

Now there's so many people, so many religions that say God is love - the New Age religion... I suppose they wouldn't like me calling them a religion... the New Age process of spirituality, the Hindu religion, the Buddhist religion, the Muslim religion and the Christian religion, all of those religions basically assume that God is a god of love and yet they don't act that God is. There's no belief in that in their heart. They justify violence constantly. They even think God justifies violence constantly, which is the opposite of love. So it's not in the heart; that is a problem. So the question is, how do we get it in the heart?

3. Faith holds on to absolute truth in all circumstances

So let's look at what the next issue is with regard to faith. What do you think it might be? The first point is that faith is based on an absolute truth. So what's next? I think you'll have trouble finding out what's next, actually, so we might as well read out what's next. (Laughs)

Mary: Faith holds onto absolute truth in all circumstances.

So the first point is that faith believes absolute truth, but it also holds on to absolute truth.

Now what do we mean by that? Faith recognises that inside of yourself you have a lot of errors, faith recognises that.

3.1. An example of believing God is punishing

What it does is it says, "Obviously God is a god of love but inside of me sometimes I think God's not a god of love. Sometimes I think God's punishing me. Sometimes I think God's cruel. Sometimes I think ..." and put whatever after that about God that you believe that's out of harmony with love. "Sometimes I think God justifies violence. Sometimes I think God's not very just. Sometimes I feel like the things that happen to me are very unjust and that means that God's not just," and so forth. These are the kinds of belief we have inside of ourselves.

Now we honour the fact that we have these beliefs when we have faith, we honour the fact that we have beliefs that are out of harmony with love inside of ourselves. But what we do is we hold onto the truth of these things. So for example, if my belief is that God is sometimes punishing and from an intellectual perspective even I realise in contrast to that, that God is never punishing, then what I would do if I had faith is that I'd always act in harmony with that belief even though it's not inside me yet. And I would be willing to emotionally process through that belief that is false at the same time.

Now many of you are trying to accept this belief that God is never punishing while not emotionally processing through the belief that God is sometimes punishing. Of course you're not going to have faith like that. You have to do both things. If you're going to accept this truth that God is never punishing, which you can recognise even intellectually and logically as a truth that is Divine in nature or that must come from God, and at the same time you realise that the feeling you have within yourself is that God is sometimes punishing ... if you're unwilling to process your way through the feeling that God is sometimes punishing, you will never actually finish up having the feeling that God is never punishing in your heart. The false belief will prevent the truth from ever entering your heart.

So many of you are trying to act in harmony with this truth of God is never punishing without releasing this belief that God is sometimes punishing, and it's impossible to change that way. Impossible. Many of you have been doing it for years, and it's totally impossible. Many of you are becoming tired of doing it, and I understand why, because it's impossible. It's impossible to change this way.

Mary: There's often a lot of anger associated with these feelings that God is sometimes punishing, and unless we're willing to be humble to the process of feeling that and feeling what's underneath it, then we end up actually gathering evidence for a lack of faith. We see everything around us and go, "Yep, there's more evidence that this is true. Yep, there we go."

3.2. An example of false beliefs about love

Remember yesterday, Sam asked the question; remember, you said, "How can I have faith in love? I don't believe in love."

Mary: "It's going to take from me."

So if we substitute Sam's example into here, what are your feelings about love, Sam? What are your feelings about love? Your true feelings, the ones that you don't want to admit to anybody and yourself sometimes. (Laughs)

Participant: I feel that when I'm in a situation when someone loves me that means that they're going to take from me.

Love takes. Yep.

Participant: I feel like love sacrifices and demands.

Sacrifices and Demands. Yeah, Mother's day, a good demanding day! (Laughter)

Mary: Who's feeling guilty you're not with your mum? (Laughs) Or maybe you are.

Participant: It's just like this sucking feeling.

Okay, it sucks the life out of me. (Laughter)

Mary: And do you feel like there's duty involved, Sam?

Participant: Yes.

Mary: There are roles or duty.

Participant: Obligation.

Duty. Obligation. Now how many of you would have to admit that's how you feel about love? Quite a lot of us. Now I've said for five years that love isn't like that, and none of you have accepted the truth in your heart. You still feel these other things about love.

What is the truth about love that you've been taught for five years? That love is a gift. It never sacrifices. It never demands. I've said all of these things to you over and over again, yes? It gives you life, there is no duty, and gives complete freedom. Now that's almost the polar opposite, is it not, of the other beliefs?

Now here understand, Sam, I'm not making fun of you, because I feel that the majority of people still have these beliefs about love. This is a very common way that we see love. [00:49:02.24]

God's Truth is that love is a gift, it never sacrifices, it never demands and so forth, whereas your truth is that love takes, it involves sacrifice, it demands and so forth.. This is your opinion, your belief. Now, how is God's Truth ever going to get into your heart while these beliefs remain in your heart? The answer is, it's not. It doesn't matter how much we talk about it, it's not going to happen.

Mary: What I've found is sitting in my anger about this set of beliefs not only causes me to emotionally gather evidence, look around me and go, "Yep, there it is again. Yep, there it is again. There it is again." And it reinforces itself.

"Proof to me, proof to me. It proves to me. I'm right. I'm right. I'm right! Love is sacrifice! Love is demand. Love is obligation. I don't want any part of it anymore!" (Laughs)

Mary: "Rrrr!" (Laughter)

Any man comes along, he says, "Ah, I love you, you're beautiful," and you go, "No you don't! This is what you're like!" (AJ points to Sam's definition of love on the whiteboard) (Laughter) Isn't that how it is? Why do you think half of you ladies are not in a relationship? Isn't that how you feel? So it's like, "Grr! No, no, I can't have that."

Mary: (Laughs) But what I found is if I'm willing to act in a little bit of faith and even emotionally entertain this idea of God's definition of love, immediately a lot of other feelings start to happen in relation to the erroneous beliefs about love. Suddenly my anger is like my defence mechanism. "Yep, and I've got lots of evidence." As soon as I emotionally exercise some faith, entertain that maybe my erroneous beliefs about love are wrong, not only do I start to feel more pain about my erroneous beliefs about love, which is exactly what I'm trying to avoid in my angry stance, but I suddenly recognise, hang on, there is loads of evidence for this second, truthful belief about love. But when I'm sitting in that rage about the erroneous beliefs about love I don't see them.

You won't see them. Yeah. So how do we get from (the erroneous beliefs about love to God's definition of love)? That's the question, isn't it? Well the first thing is we need to get rid of the erroneous beliefs about love. (Laughs) We need to also at the same time have faith that God's definition of love is the actual true position. You see at the moment many of you don't have faith that that is the actual true position.

Mary: So what would be the quickest, most rapid-fire way to do exactly what AJ just said? To get this erroneous definition of love out of me and have faith in God's definition of love? What would be the number one thing I could do? Not cry. Pray?

Participant: Act on God's definition of love?

Mary: No... well how would you act on the second one?

Participant: Um, don't sacrifice, don't demand.

Mary: No there's an even quicker thing you could do.

Participant: Experiment?

Mary: Yep how would you experiment?

Participant: I'd try that love is gift and that love doesn't sacrificing myself.

Mary: And who's the best person to experiment with?

Participant: God.

Mary: Yep. Ask God for Love. See how it turns out.

See whether God's Love takes from you or gives to you. See whether God's Love demands anything from you or just is. See whether God's Love sucks the life out of you (laughs) or makes you feel like enlivened.

Mary: And see what emotions start coming up in me as I ask and as I receive.

Yep.

Mary: This is in contrast to the way that lots of us have been trying, which is, "I'll just cry the erroneous beliefs about love out of me and then I'll be brave enough to ask God for Love and see if God's definition of love is right."

I don't even feel most of you have been trying that to be frank. Most of you have been trying, "No I want to keep believing love is demanding! How dare you tell me love isn't demanding! How dare you tell me that? I think it is! I think it is! Don't try to tell me something different!" (Laughs) That's how most of us have been.

Isn't that how the world generally is when we talk about love or truth or any other thing like that? "Don't tell me that! That's not right!" and they fight for this false belief. The reality is most of us are still fighting for our false beliefs because the erroneous beliefs about love has been our experience up till now with so-called "love". But we haven't recognised one thing, and that is none of the erroneous beliefs about love is love. What we've been experiencing isn't love. If we were taken from, sacrificed, we had demands made of us, it sucked the life out of us and we had duty and obligations, none of that is love. And we're still calling love. We still believe it's love, and that's our problem because if we started to see love as a gift, it never sacrifices, it never demands, and we believe that was love, do you think we'd be so upset about love? Of course not, you'd be wanting it. (Laughs) You'd want to receive it. Can you see we have to have some faith in that process that God's definition of love is the true position? [00:54:04.24]

So faith holds onto the absolute truth. Faith does not hold onto the error. Most of you are still trying to hold on to the error and of course you're not going to have much faith like that.

3.3. Gaining faith in absolute truth through experimentation

Participant: I've got some confusion about faith versus truth.

Yep.

Participant: Because you talk about faith being based on an experience, and so you have an experience and then the truth enters you.

Yeah. But it has to be a truthful experience. It can't be an error-based experience. See this is the thing where many of you started to get confused yesterday. You were thinking I was talking about one thing when I was talking about something completely different, and this is what we want to clarify today. If we continue to clarify what we were talking about yesterday ...

Participant: It seems like you need to take a leap of faith in order to get the experience to get faith?

You do. That's the point of faith.

Participant: Well this is why I don't understand.

But you take a leap of faith in the truth that you know at this point in time.

Mary: This is how I feel about it, is that in order to grow faith I have to experiment. So in that moment on this issue, there's not faith in me about this. I'm experimenting with it. That allows me to have an experience, which grows my faith. But this second point that we're talking about, Faith holds onto absolute truth, is that some of us have had experiences which have grown our faith in certain truths but then we don't want to act in harmony with them and so our faith can never grow.

3.3.1. An example of a participant getting confused when she is afraid

Participant: The... the...

But... but...

Participant: (Laughs) But... but ...

Sorry! (Laughs) What's the problem? Tell me the emotional problem?

Mary: You feel faithless.

Participant: I've got complete confusion.

Okay. Now what's your primary problem that we've always discussed with you? Whenever you go into confusion what do you do?

Participant: My brain stops working.

Exactly! Why does this happen?

Participant: Because of the spirits.

You've got a clever... Luli by the way is a brain scientist (laughter), and her brain stops working when she gets confused. (Laughter)

Mary: She's not used to being confused.

So why does this happen? You're not used to being confused. But what happens when you get confused? What emotionally happens?

Participant: I start to panic.

Yes. So what's starting to happen now is fear starts coming up in you. What does fear do?

Participant: Well that's what shuts down my brain.

Fear shuts down everything. It shuts down your ears, your eyes, everything. (Laughs) It shuts down everything! It's a terrible response. The reason why is because fear has certain psychological effects on us as well.

So what happens is we hear something, and we hear something, and then there's the confusion grows, which is the real emotion that you feel - confusion grows. Instead of just sitting with what you're being presented with and pondering about it, you want to understand it right now. Why do you have to understand it right now? What happened in your childhood? You have understand it right now because right now means that now you're clever, now you're good, now you're daddy's girl again, all these right now things. You don't have to understand it right now. What we're presenting here, God's okay with you not understanding it for the next ten years. But you're not. (Laughs) And that's the problem. But go on. (Laughs) That's the emotional problem. Do we still want to work with the fear or what do we want to do? [00:57:54.22]

Participant: Well I sat in confusion all day yesterday and then I was following Mary's advice of voicing it today.

Awesome.

Mary: Ask the question.

That's good! Yep. But understand where your confusion is coming from. It's not coming from anything we're presenting. It's coming from this feeling that happens inside of you that when you get into confusion your fear is triggered. As soon as your fear is triggered now it's very hard to hear anything. It's very hard to understand in that place.

So what I'm suggesting is maybe watch this video over and let yourself have the fear, let yourself feel the fear, let that go, and then when you let it go, you'll go, "Oh, that's what they were saying!" And you won't need to have it reasoned upon and reasoned upon over and over again before you get it. And it's actually better that it happens that way because you get rid of some fear in the process, fear that is influencing all of your ability to understand.

3.3.2. Experimenting based on intellectual faith

Mary: Could I just talk about this one thing though that I think Luli is getting at? (Laughs) Yesterday we talked about faith growing through having an experience, didn't you?

Yep, but it has to be an experience based on truth.

Mary: Does anyone else have the question, what do you when you haven't had the first experience? Yep. So a lot of you have that question?

Yep.

Mary: And that's where I believe we experiment based on some intellectual faith.

Yep. Do you understand the difference between an intellectual faith, which is really just a concept or an idea based on logic? Now most of you have some logic? Or maybe not? (Laughs) Is that an assumption? Logic is possible when we reason about things. Like God gave us a brain - use it. (Laughter) Most religions say, "No, no, faith is not about using your brain." I can't agree. They say, "Faith is all about there's this thing, it doesn't have to make sense." I can't agree with that either. It has to make complete sense. If you're going to have any faith at all, it has to begin with something making complete sense.

So what I'm suggesting to you is forget about this faith in all these abstract concepts and great ideas or whatever, and focus on what does make complete sense. That is what I would call an intellectual concept or an idea, or shall we put in quotations, "an intellectual faith", an intellectual concept or idea that this might be, because we don't know for certain, but this might be the absolute truth. Now the reason why many of you keep coming along to my presentations even though that's not in your heart yet is because you believe in your intellect that it might be the truth. [01:01:00.20]

Mary: But why hasn't the faith grown, the heart faith grown? What's the missing ingredient? The experiment?

Well I feel there are two missing ingredients, actually. The first one is the willingness to make the experiment, and we'll talk more about the experiment in a minute when we make our final list about faith. (Laughs) But another reason is that the experiment would give us love, and love is what grows real faith. Love results in real solid faith growing.

This is why the message of Solomon that was written on the 20th April 1916 in the Padgett messages, he said the love will come and with it faith. True faith. So true faith is a heart-based operation, not a head-based operation, but it has to be based on logic. It can't be based on just a concept or an idea that's wishful thinking. It has to have actually happened, not something that just we imagine happened.

We ask many people have you received Divine Love? And they say, "Oh yeah I think I have." What?! If you think you have, you haven't. (Laughs) Probably, if that's what you're saying. You will know when you have. You'll know. You'll know that you've received some Divine Love. Now some people say to us, "Oh yeah, I think I have and it felt really wonderful and I felt really happy for days and days and it was really great. Everybody was giving me exactly what I wanted," and I'm going, "Yeah, that sounds to me like a spirit giving you some addictions, not God giving you some love because God confronts all of your addictions."

Mary: In fact in this process of experimentation, trying an experiment and asking for and receiving love, even just the first step brings up a lot of emotion, doesn't it? We just talked about how most of us don't do it because we want to hold on to these ideas about love.

Most of you don't experiment for reasons. You're afraid, you're afraid that you're wrong. You're afraid of all sorts of things, afraid that God's not going to give you it, and that means that there's something wrong with you, and all these things.

Mary: And do you know why I feel lots of us get distressed when we start talking about this faith issue? It's similar to Luli like, "Hang on! What happens if I don't have it yet?!" (Laughs) It's because we are uncomfortable with that feeling of like, hang on, to get faith I'm going to have to do something that might feel a little bit scary.

Might have to take risks.

Mary: And I know from personal experience, every time the topic of faith would come up, I'd go into meltdown because I'd be like, well what is it? And how do I get it? And what if...? I just needed to have intellectual faith and experiment.

Yep. So let's write down more of this because as it fleshes out, and perhaps by the time we've presented everything as a summary of faith, we'll be able to ask more questions about that and get a concise feeling within ourselves of what it means to have faith.

4. Faith is based upon experience

So what's the next one?

Mary: Okay. Faith is based upon experience.

So this is faith based on experience.

Mary: So this is a lot of what we've already been mentioning, hey.

Now if the experience was painful, then that tells us that error was involved. If the experience was pleasurable, that tells us that there might be two reasons for that. One is that we're in our addiction, or two, that we're actually having a truth-based experience. Now if it's addiction it will eventually turn out to be painful in the long run. (Laughs) So in both cases it's going to turn out to be painful. The only one that's going to turn out to be pleasurable is the truth, if the experience has been truthful, based on absolute truth of the universe. [01:05:40.12]

So true faith is based on knowing the experience and it's very hard to describe because many of you are so intellectually bound with having certain experiences still, and trying to work out everything intellectually, that it's very hard for us to define to you what it feels like when you all of sudden become aware of a truth. It's not just the same as having a light bulb moment, as they say. It's not only a light bulb moment but rather it's a moment that actually affects the rest of your life from that instant onwards, because of the other qualities of faith, which we'll go through in a minute.

Remember here what we're doing is we're defining faith by giving you a number of points which all must be true. In order for there to be real faith, all of these points must be true; it must be based on absolute truth, it must hold on to the absolute truth, it must be based on an experience that you have, not just a thought that you've got.

It can't be just a personal opinion or a personal belief; none of those things are ever going to satisfy your faith. This is why a lot of religions have so much difficulty with this. They say, "Oh we have faith that Jesus' blood sacrifice. It gives us a relationship with God." How many Christians actually feel that? Every time they look up the cross that is sitting in their church, they wonder why Jesus is still hanging there; wouldn't you wonder why I'm still hanging there? (Laughter) Like I go and I think, "Yeah, there's a person who is hung up on sacrifice." Literally.

Mary: An organisation.

An organisation that's hung up on the belief in sacrifice. Now we said earlier that sacrifice is not love, so it's not hung up on love, it's hung up on the opposite of love. And these kinds of problems cause this painful feeling.

Many people feel pain when they start having their religious faith. The reason why they feel so much pain and no joy is because many of them are hung up on the principle of sacrifice - many of them. That's one reason why they're feeling pain. Eventually the error will be exposed through the painful experience. That's what will happen.

4.1. Building faith through experiences changes our lives automatically and permanently

Participant: Is it true then that with the experience you feel like you grow and that you have clarity or assurity on an issue?

You do, but it's even bigger than that in that it affects you for the rest of your life without you having to think about it again.

Participant: So it's a life changing moment.

So it's a life changing moment that makes you automatically do new things without you having to try.

Participant: It feels like to step out in faith there's like a fog and then when you actually hit the mark it's like that fog lifts and there's a sense of a firmer foundation.

I agree. Faith in the end will lead to a firmer foundation. But you can't expect it right at the start, and this is the problem many of you have. Many of you wish to have right at the start a feeling that everything's firm.

Mary: We want faith before we go through the experience of getting faith, so it doesn't feel scary to get the faith.

Participant: Yeah, okay.

But you can't get faith that way.

Mary: But the beautiful thing is once we start then it's less scary and it's more giving and more exciting as we go, but we have to take that first step.

Participant: I was just thinking about what we learned through yesterday, in "Faith & Prayer Session 1" when you were exploring the physical laws, faith in physical laws, how faith builds. The first time the Wright brothers flew it went for seconds but then it built up and now it can go for days. So I was just thinking about how those light bulb moments, or moments of intuition, can be building to these bigger experiences?

Exactly.

Participant: Like these bigger experiences that you're talking about that are life changing.

Yeah.

5. Faith, truth and love have similar attributes

Can we just point out three different qualities and their relationship? There's the quality of love, there's a quality of faith, and a quality of truth, and they all have very, very similar attributes in that they are all infinite in nature.

5.1. Faith, God's Truth and God's Love are infinite in nature

Now if they're infinite in nature that means that at any one point in time you will not have the full limit of the quality. It will grow through an experience. In other words, be constructed through an experience. It's like building a building that never ends. [01:11:01.08]

So if it's infinite in nature, God's Love is infinite in nature. God has this beautiful thing where our faith can continually grow and be continually growing all the way through infinity. God's Truth is also infinite in nature. They're all very similar in their quality.

5.2. Faith, God's Truth and God's Love have joy

If you look at love, faith and truth, they all have joy. Whenever you truly have a feeling of love, you will always experience joy. Whenever you have true faith, you will always have joy. Joy doesn't depart. For many of you in the experience of Divine Truth, joy departs and then comes back and then departs and then comes back. Well this is because the time when it's departed, it's because there's no faith because if there was faith it would never depart.

The same goes with truth. When we get truth and it actually enters our soul, there's this feeling of joy. We're overjoyed. We're not like most of you have been with me, and they go, "Oh no, what's he going to say next? What's he going to say next? No, no I don't want to hear another thing." That's not what we're like. We go, "Yeah! I want this truth!" That's the feeling we have in it. It's the same, the joy.

Now remember yesterday, Mary was going to point out that we listed lots of qualities of love. Do you remember what they were?

Mary: The feelings.

Excitement or passionate. Now when you experience love you will be excited. When you experience true faith you will also be excited. When you experience truth in your heart, you will also get excited. This is the interesting thing about love because really in a lot of ways faith and truth are attributes of love. So they are all related in the way in which they operate and the experience they have inside of you. So it's very important to understand that.

Mary: Conversely in order for us to experience, express, receive love there's two really great building blocks to prepare our soul for that process - faith and truth. It's such a cool thing, isn't it? (Laughs)

And so if you're not experiencing many of those things we listed yesterday with regard to love, then it means also that you're probably not experiencing them with regard to faith and regard to truth. Isn't that the case if you reflect upon it?

So these qualities are very, very related to each other. Now love is the biggest of all these qualities, truth I would say is an essential part of love, but faith is also an essential part of love and that's going to not change even once you become at-one with God because to go further than that, and discover more truth, you're going to have to have some faith that more truth can be discovered.

If you build these qualities now inside of yourself while you're sitting here on Earth, they are going to be essential for the rest of your life. They're going to affect every single aspect of your life, every single area of passion that you have. So if you're passionate about music, for example, these three qualities are going to eventually affect you in some way. If you're passionate about science, these three qualities will affect you in some way. Even after you become at-one with God, you will still need to grow more faith in things that you have yet to discover, because we don't know all the truth because of the first quality - it is infinite. All of these things are infinite in their nature. We can continually grow with them.

5.3. God created the human soul to grow infinitely in love, truth and faith

You know what's beautiful as well? [01:15:14.23]

Mary: Apart from that! Like wow! (Laughs)

Is God created these qualities, love, faith, truth, all infinite in nature, and then God created the human soul that is also capable of having these qualities enter it infinitely. So God created your soul with the ability to receive and grow each of these infinite kinds of qualities in an infinite manner; that's the beauty of the creation of your soul.

Your mind doesn't have that quality. Your spirit body's mind is useless when it comes to understanding these qualities. Your physical brain is useless understanding these things because they are all infinite in nature. Your physical mind and your physical brain and your spirit body's mind are not unlimited in their nature and never will be. Never will be.

This is why it's such an important thing to understand - that these infinite qualities can enter your infinitely expanding soul, and in fact they are qualities that change your infinitely expanding soul.

Love, faith and truth are infinite and are qualities that can grow in the human soul infinitely

Participant: Whoa!

Whoa!

Mary: That's the streamers from the ceiling moment, isn't it? Like fairy dust! (Laughter)

Participant: I'm getting bubbles up my back. It could be a spirit.

A lot of our Celestial spirit friends have personally experienced what I'm describing to you. So that's why sometimes when I'm taking about it you get, "Whoa!" And that's them going, "Whoa! You have to understand this because it's so important to the rest of your existence. Not just your existence here." [01:17:17.17]

6. Faith is based on absolute truth (continued)

6.1. The basis of faith found in Christians is a focus on God's Love, ethics and morality

Participant: A couple of weeks ago you mentioned on video in the healing group discussion ("20130331 Healing Group Session 1" that a lot of people in certain religions, I think it was Christians you mentioned, are developed more in love than what we are currently.

Yes, I agree.

Participant: So my question is if you're following a particular spiritual path or a religion that has a high percentage of error teachings in it, how are they developing their faith and developing more love?

Mary: Do you know what many Christians have some truth has entered them that hasn't entered many of us? And they have faith in some things that haven't entered many of us. What do you think they are? Even though there is a whole bunch of error in their faith system, there are certain truths...

Participant: I guess they are believing more in God and God's Love.

Yes. They have a very strong focus on God's Love. Good.

Mary: And what's the second one?

Participant: Personal experience?

Mary: (To AJ) Is it the same second one that you've got that I've got?

Fire away. (Laughter)

Mary: I'm going out on a limb. I think it's about something about relationships between each other that Jesus mentioned earlier; that if we all developed this we would have more truth already - ethics and morality.

Remember it's what's in the heart, not what's in your head that defines how developed you are. So for many Christians they've received a lot of God's Love into their heart because they've had a sincere desire for it, and they have a strong faith that they're going to receive it. They've had personal experiences of receiving it when they're singing in church or whatever it is; they're receiving it. And as a result of that they've received Divine Love and they also have acted in harmony with the ethics as they've described in the Bible. [01:19:31.19]

Now some of the Bible's ethics are off, but many of the Christians focus primarily on my words in Matthew where I said that do unto what you would have them do unto you. That's their ethical stance. As a result of that, many of them are very, very loving in their actions with each other. Now because of those two particular things, they've got quite a strong faith.

Participant: I've noticed there's a lot of excitement when you hear about their charity work overseas and how they got stuck in an airport and there was a terrorist thing and they just prayed and had a lot of faith that they would get out of that situation.

Exactly.

Participant: And things happened even better than that.

Exactly, because God answers everyone. It doesn't matter what intellectual belief system you have, and it doesn't matter if you believe that Jesus died for your sin and all of these other belief systems, God's responding to the heart feeling that you have inside of you, and many Christians have a very strong heart feeling; heart feelings that many of you have yet to actually discover within yourself.

By the way, many Muslims have the same kind of heart feeling with God. So many of these religions that you have personally condemned in the past because of their false beliefs, that you have been judgemental of because of their false beliefs, are actually doing better than you are because they have this heart-based... feeling.

Participant: And I've just been touching on and crying how I've been judging certain spiritual practices including the ones that I practiced in that past.

Yeah. (Laughs)

Mary: Can you see how that's helping you develop this heart feeling of ethics and morality?

Participant: Yeah.

Yeah. So this is why it's so important to give up these concepts that we have of judging other people for what they believe. It's not what they believe that matters so much because what did I say about people's personal beliefs and opinions? They don't matter at all. (Laughs) What matters is what's in their heart.

Honestly I've talked to many people from all sorts of walks of life. I've talked to atheists, who you condemn as not having any belief in God at all, that have better feelings in their heart than some of you do towards me. Atheists. And I go, no, these guys that I've spoken to have a lot of natural love in them. They care about me as an individual, they are respectful of my space, time, and energy - much more than many of you have been. So that tells me they have more love in their heart. It's love in your heart that matters, not love, like, as an intellectual concept. It's how you actually act and what's inside of your heart that matters. All of God's Laws that govern the universe are all about that. [01:22:31.23]

7. Faith comes when Divine Love comes

So that probably brings us to something I probably should list as well, and that is God's Laws itself. Remember yesterday we said that faith is based upon universal law? I'm talking now about God's Laws, which are all truth and all loving.

Mary: Faith comes when Divine Love comes, which you've already mentioned a little bit.

Remember we discussed faith from a purely physical perspective yesterday, but now we're talking about faith in regard to your relationship with God. And faith comes when God's Love enters you.

Mary: So just on that point, babe, would you say these first four points that we listed about faith - faith is based on absolute truth, faith holds on to absolute truth, faith is based on experience and faith is based on universal law - we could apply to faith in anything?

Yes. So the first four you can apply to faith in anything.

Mary: So the Wright brothers grew their faith based on those four things; the faith that they could fly, have an aeroplane.

But faith in God and God's Nature will only start coming when Faith comes when Divine Love starts getting engaged. Shall we list all the other points before we discuss them? Perhaps that's a good thing. [01:24:10.07]

8. Faith, truth and love have similar attributes (continued)

Mary: This one we just mentioned earlier: faith comes from love and is therefore similar in nature to love.

What we're saying there basically is that faith, love and truth all have similar qualities.

Mary: We've written in our notes "without truth neither love nor faith can exist". So truth is always this building block. This is where, when we don't have any faith yet through experience, we have some intellectual faith in truth that we've heard and tested in experiment, we grow faith.

Yep.

Mary: And that faith "can be never be stagnant" is something that you wanted to mention; the same as truth and the same as love.

In particular one quality is the infinite nature, and that means that you are never going to stop, you're never going to stagnate. Many religions experience faith that stagnates on Earth, where when a person initially becomes involved in their religion, they feel a lot of excitement and passion and they get involved in their religion and they're really going well. And then after five years or ten years of that the passion slows down and eventually it comes to a grinding halt. Now that's an indication that now the faith has not grown infinitely and therefore there must be errors involved in that particular faith - otherwise it would continue growing. [01:26:03.08]

Mary: That's God's Laws that we talked about earlier, illustrated on the whiteboard with the big circle of truth and the little circle of error beginning to work on the faith, trying to expose the error. It stops and there are other things then start to get triggered and confronted.

Yep.

9. Faith creates action

Mary: Faith leads us to act.

Okay, faith creates actions. Okay so they are the primary points we were trying to make tomorrow, not always well.

Mary: Yesterday, you mean?

Yesterday, sorry. Not tomorrow. (Laughs) I don't know how that happened! (Laughter) Some kind of time shift happened there!

Mary: We're not back tomorrow. (Laughs)

10. Audience questions

So what would you like to know about those things? Can we discuss some of those things?

10.1. Faith remembers past experiences

Participant: Is it like if I have an experience and I feel like something's true and what I felt was from God, that I need to back myself with the belief and hold onto that, so that next week when I'm struggling with something I think, "No I believe," and I back myself that that really happened?

Yes. This is the issue many of us face. What happens is we have an experience and then over time we start forgetting the experience. Now true faith doesn't do that either actually. Faith remembers the experience and adds it to the next experience. It is additive in nature. It doesn't take away. It doesn't divide things. It adds to them, and multiplies them in fact.

So this is the thing we need to understand about faith. Whenever we are not choosing to remember, what previous experiences of faith have brought us, we are purposefully encouraging our doubts and fears. Whenever you are choosing to not remember a real experience that actually occurred, you are purposefully trying to avoid that real experience. So you are purposefully acting in harmony with doubt and fear and out of harmony with truth.

When we have real faith we don't do that. Each experience adds to the previous one and as long the experiences are based on truth, it will end up with continual growth. If we're becoming stagnant, then it's already telling us I've not got continual growth so therefore there's something false in this belief. There's something false in the way that I'm acting or feeling that I need to discover. Prayer will help you discover it, easy enough. God's Universe is already trying to expose it to you.

What I see people often doing is they almost take every one of these experiences as an isolated event.

Participant: And it's trust, developing that trust in myself.

Yes well that's a part of what God's trying to teach you.

Mary: Is it trust in yourself?

Participant: It's like believing that it's real for myself.

Yeah but you will believe it's real if you had the experience.

Participant: Yeah but I might not tomorrow.

That's the problem, isn't it? The problem is that we forget the experience and we need to not forget our experiences.

10.2. Developing faith in ourselves and in God

Mary: I feel it's not really growing a faith in myself, it's growing a faith in the truth that it was exposed to me through the experience. Can you see the difference in those two things?

See I don't know if I agree with Mary on that subject.

Mary: Okay.

Yeah. Because the beautiful thing about God's Love and God's Truth and faith is it not only causes you to trust God more but it also finishes up causing you to trust yourself more as a creation of God. So I don't see the two as isolated events. I see the trust in God growing and also if this is a universal truth, then the trust in yourself will also grow; not in an arrogant way, but rather in a recognition of all of your beautiful qualities and abilities. And you're purposefully now engaging a trust in yourself to deliver them, to give them to others. So I feel that it is both things. [01:31:08.03]

Mary: Awesome. I'm not strong on faith in myself so...

So one of Mary's emotional injuries is she's not happy with herself very frequently at this point in time.

Mary: I'd like to grow my faith in God and God's Love but perhaps not so much in me.

Yeah whereas I feel, if you engage this everlasting process, you'll be forced into eventually accepting God's opinion of you. And what's God's opinion of you? God says, "You are the most powerful and best of all of My creations." That's God's opinion of you. So eventually you'll come to the point, if you're having the same opinion of yourself and of everyone else of course, you would go, "I am God's most beautiful and powerful creation." So can you see that for that to occur, there has to be a growth in trust of yourself?

Mary: Can I ask a clarifier on that one? Is that different to having a trust in my own opinions? I think that's what I was starting to say.

Very different, yes, because as I said earlier, our opinions are completely untrustworthy. (Laughs) [01:32:29.11]

Mary: So if I go, "I'm backing myself on this one", and it's just an opinion then I'm going to get in trouble. Whereas if I back myself on, hey, I had an experience that showed me something about me and God, then I can have faith in that.

But the beauty even of having the opinion and holding on to an opinion is eventually if you keep the process going the opinion that's false will be exposed anyway. So even if you had a false opinion, sooner or later truth will expose it as false and eventually you're going to have to let it go. So I don't even see any problem with that.

10.3. Mistakes are acting out of harmony with love, not a lack of knowledge

From God's Perspective we are growing eternally. If you think about it from God's Perspective, all of us right now are making mistakes. Even the most perfect of us is making a mistake from God's Perspective, in the sense of a mistake in knowledge. But from God's Perspective, mistakes are really not mistakes in knowledge because God acknowledges that these things are just growth. From God's Perspective the real mistake is every time we act out of harmony with love. That's the real mistake.

The only time from God's Perspective that you can really make a mistake is when you act out of harmony with love. If you have incomplete knowledge that's immaterial from God's Perspective because God knows that all of us will forever have not enough knowledge; because if there's an infinite amount of knowledge, all of us will only have absorbed a certain finite amount at any one time. So from God's Perspective a lack of knowledge isn't your problem. From God's Perspective a lack of love is the problem.

When we act out of harmony with love, all of God's Laws are trying to get us back into harmony with love. That is the truth of the universe. All of God's Universal Laws are constantly teaching us about love because God's trying to tell us, "I don't care if you make a mistake in knowledge. You might come up with some fanciful idea that's completely false; it doesn't bother me at all!" And it doesn't bother the universe at all by the way, either. You don't affect the universe negatively by having this idea that's just a knowledge-based idea that's out of harmony with truth. But when you have feelings and ideas inside of you that are out of harmony with love, now the universe has a problem with you.

All of God's Laws are designed to bring you back into harmony with love. All of God's Laws are designed to reflect the pain and suffering that you have created through your own engagement of actions that are out of harmony with love. This is why it's very important to understand the role of love in this process.

We've talked a lot about faith, but at this point we still haven't talked much about prayer, and in some ways prayer is even more important than faith. Of course prayer won't be engaged unless faith is engaged.

10.4. An example of a participant struggling with her identity and false beliefs

So do you understand these basic qualities, if you like, or attributes of faith that will be present when true faith is present?

Participant: In reference to what you were saying how all of God's Universe pushes on false beliefs, I have gathered a lot of false beliefs that are not true and I thought that I didn't want to let go of the false beliefs because what I was getting from it. But I've realised that if that false belief disappears - you said: "blank slate", I feel: desolate annihilation.

Yeah, and I think it's fantastic. (Laughs)

Mary: But Laura doesn't!

Laura doesn't though!

Participant: I can't get experience of what it would be like without the belief because I've had the beliefs since I was born. But I know that the belief itself is false.

But can you see how much your own personal psychological self is bound up in your beliefs? If you're finding it impossible to release a belief that you know is false, then it tells me that psychologically you are so attached to your belief systems that they define you. So what you're doing is you're holding onto belief systems that define you.

Participant: But that blank slate, it feels like argh! It's like I'm in an abyss of emptiness.

Yeah and that's a false belief too.

Mary: And can you see what Jesus was just saying about that's because it's related to your identity?

Participant: Yeah.

Mary: I don't feel that bit hit you.

Yeah that bit never hit you. You don't understand how much your psychological identity is identifying with false beliefs. Now you remember we drew this circle of God's Universe if you like, and here are all your creations, or we could say all of your environment's creations, which are all outside of God's Universe in a way because God's Universe is all based upon truth and law and love. The big circle is God's Universe, which is what God created. The little circle is what you created, or you could say your parents created, if you grew up in an environment, and this is all to do with false, error, and so forth.

Our false beliefs and error reside outside God's Universe of love, truth and law

Unfortunately many of us have become psychologically attached to our false beliefs. We've become so attached to that that we think giving that up is a major drama. And it is. [01:38:40.06]

Participant: I feel like every ounce of my will has been invested in this false belief, wanting it to be real.

I agree.

Participant: Then to let it go I don't know where else I'd be.

Well see if you had faith you would let it go unhesitatingly.

Participant: Do I need the faith there before I can trust that there'll be...?

Laura, stop! Stop, stop! You haven't heard what I just said. This is what we do. We go, "But but but but but but but but but but but," and all it is, is this psyche, the false beliefs, if you could say, this impression that you have of yourself, a lot of people call that the ego, do they not? In New Age terminology they'd call that the ego. I call it your own psychological impression of yourself, which is false. And because it's psychological in its nature it is going to feel like you're giving up yourself when you give up this. This is why most people hold on and choose to use their will to hold on to false beliefs because their false beliefs are so entwined with who they believe they are. They feel that if they give that up then themselves has to be given up. The reality is that's not who you are, and you have no faith that that's true. [01:40:22.24]

Who you are belongs in this area, in God's Universe; how God designed you to be. That's who you really are and you don't have any faith in that at all because if you had faith in that you'd willingly give that up instead of fight for it.

We need to destroy our false beliefs about ourselves, which creates our psychological impression of ourselves, in order to become in harmony with love, truth and Divine Law

Mary: I feel the reason we struggle with our false beliefs, even when we hear the truth, is because of this rebellion feeling that we have and the anger about feeling uncertainty, feeling psychological distress.

Or even feeling like we're being totally psychologically destroyed.

Mary: Yeah.

Participant: Yeah.

It in the end involves almost a destruction not of ourselves but of who we imagine ourselves to be.

Mary: This self-concept that we want to hold onto, that's error-based.

Participant: Yeah. That's exactly right.

Many of us are going to have to go through this destruction because most of ourselves that we currently see as really, really good is completely out of harmony with all of God's Universal Laws and truth about love and faith and humility and all these other qualities.

Mary: Laura, you said, "How do I have the faith to do the thing?" and again I feel it's about...

Experiments.

Mary: Experimenting and having experience. That's the only way your faith will grow. But a lot of us, and I would include myself in this group, we just get angry about having to do it and that makes us never experiment. We go, "No, this feels uncomfortable and I don't want to, and now I'm going to be angry about it."

So we're all of like little children going, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! I don't want to experiment! I might make a mistake! Somebody might punish me. Somebody might..."

Participant: Well I also really want to know what's on the other side first.

I'm sorry; you do know what's on the other side. What's on the other side is love, truth; all these beautiful things. (Laughter) That's what's on the other side. You've been told what's on the other side; you just do not have faith in it. That's the problem. And faith in it won't come until some of the false belief is willing to go. Remember that's one of the qualities of faith. So it's very important to understand that. [01:42:50.24]

10.5. Divine Love transforms the soul from its normal state

Participant: I just wanted to ask about the love. You're saying Divine Love is infinite and we can receive infinitely God's Love.

Yes.

Participant: And all of us have an infinite capacity to grow our natural love, and to give love?

Well not without Divine Love, no. The way God's made our soul is quite simple. Here's our human soul in its original design; this is the normal way we would be if you like. Now we can perfect it and that is the state that a person enters when they enter the sixth dimension or the sixth sphere of the spirit world. Now remember we've got two halves, so we're one half of the soul, perfected in natural love. Unfortunately though natural love stops there. It stagnates there. There's nothing more that you can do to grow unless you start growing Divine Love.

The human soul has an ability to perfect itself in natural love and reach the sixth sphere

Now when you start receiving Divine Love, the soul gets transformed into a bigger creature. And it's much bigger, driven by the heart rather than the head. It's a much bigger, more powerful creation because now what's happened is God's Love has entered the soul. We're talking about Divine Love, and this is one of the things we wanted to discuss with you after the break - physical Divine Love enters your soul and transforms it into a new being, not a being that was of your original creation, but something now that has the ability to infinitely expand. The way God created your original soul was that it only has the ability to infinitely expand if it receives Divine Love. It does not have the ability to infinitely expand without receiving Divine Love.

Divine Love transforms the soul into a bigger and more powerful creation

However, remember that natural love is not the love that comes from God but the love that comes from you. Now of course if your soul is bigger and it has more Divine Love in it and therefore the love inside of you is bigger, that means you have more natural love to share. So that's a subsequent effect of receiving the Divine Love. [01:45:34.05]

10.6. We will receive Divine Love whenever we have a sincere longing for it

Participant: Just a question on experimentation. I can understand how you can experiment with prayer and I feel like I've experimented; you do a plus b and it will equal c, and if it doesn't equal c then a or b is wrong, or b's wrong - me, my error but...

Now I'm getting all confused with a, b, c's now, Mon. (Laughter)

Mary: What's c? (Laughs)

Participant: Alright, so say...

Do you want to bring up an actual example? (Laughs)

Participant: Prayer. So we experiment with prayer. So I take the step of praying and if I do receive a response from God, like an answer or a connection to God, then I know that I had a pure desire or a longing.

And so if you didn't receive what would you then assume?

Participant: I'd assume that...

God doesn't love you anymore?

Participant: I have an addiction like I'm not worthy to be heard or known or no connection.

What?! You're always worthy!

Mary: That's her; she said I'll assume I've got an addiction.

No but see what you're doing is you're automatically assuming false things. Many of us do this. So when we're longing for God's Love to enter us, and we think we're longing for God's Love to enter us, and we feel like we're longing for God's Love to enter us, and no love is entering us, you know what I would assume? [01:47:08.10]

Participant: That I don't want it.

That I wasn't longing in the first place. That's all I would assume. Just that one thing. Because I know from fact that every time I have had a sincere longing for Divine Love to enter my soul it always has.

Mary: Me too but I thought that was just like... yeah.

(AJ Laughs)

Mary: That's why I never understand the question and I go...

Participant: I know that that wasn't really the question. That was like the prelude. (Laughter)

That's okay. But can you first understand that every time you say you have a longing for Divine Love and it doesn't enter you, you didn't have a longing for Divine Love.

Participant: Yes, exactly. That's why I mean a + b = c, and I'm the problem.

Ah, no! No! See why you have to then go, "I'm the problem." Why do you have to do that? Because you have been taught to blame yourself every time. The problem could be an emotion that your mummy created in you or the problem could be an emotion your dad created in you. The problem could be an emotion you got at school. The problem could be that you were taught religious things and that was the problem. Why would you say you're the problem? You're the beautiful creation of God, how can you be the problem? God doesn't see you as a problem. God sees you as a person who's imbibed all of these false beliefs and false systems and all God's wanting us to do is go, no, the problem is not me, not me, the problem is that I have imbibed a whole heap of things that are false, and all I've got to do here is discover what it is.

Now all of God's Universal Laws are already exposing it to me. They're already shining the light bulb on. There's a light bulb there, all the light is being shined from all of God's Laws of the universe and it's already exposing it. The only problem is I'm not seeing properly. I need to put on some glasses so I can see properly. See myself properly; see what's going on.

God is showing us what our blocks are to receiving God's Love

Understand that the way God's designed Divine Love, every time you have a sincere longing for it, you will receive. So the only reason why you are not receiving is because the longing is not sincere, and that's not "you're the problem"; that's something inside of you.

Now if you think of it from God's Perspective, he created you this perfect being without a problem. So His Definition of you is, "You are My Perfect Creation. You are not the problem; the problem is what's got inside of you through the creations of the universe around you and your own choices. That's the problem." And that's very different than seeing yourself as the problem.

What I see most people doing is they're still blaming themselves for their own error. Most of your error got into you by the time you were seven years of age and then from then on you made heaps of choices based upon that error. The only time you have been the problem is when you made the choices based on error and you're still sometimes making them. That's the only time you're the problem. And even then it's not you that's the problem, it's the way in which you're exercising your will that's the problem. You're exercising your will out of harmony with Divine Law, that's why you have the problem. It's not you that's the problem; you can be perfect and exercise your will in harmony.

So the problem is not you but it is your choices. That's the problem. And the choices are driven by what's in your heart. So what's in your heart's the problem, not you.

10.7. Error must be released from the soul before truth can enter it

Can we continue with your question?

Participant: Yep, great. So just in that example, there's a great way of experimenting to me, and the same with prayer. But I was reflecting on how I would experiment with God's Attributes and Qualities, for example, seeing that I don't believe that God is loving and kind in my heart but I can see intellectually that God is loving and kind by all of the beautiful creations. So doing that experiment, you go, "Okay God are you loving and are you kind," and just go...

Can I just stop you again? When you said, "I can feel in my heart that I don't believe God's loving and kind," you must have reasons why you don't believe God's loving and kind. [01:52:12.16]

Participant: Yes, I do.

You're going to have to feel them, and the majority of us don't want to feel them. What we try to do is we try to jump over them with our intellect, and this is our problem. We are never going to feel God is loving and kind while we have an opposite feeling inside of our soul.

Recently I did a series of discussions, some with Luli and some with Mary, about "How the Human Soul Functions". Many of you are still confused about how the soul functions. My suggestion is to look at those discussions on how the soul functions, because the soul doesn't function in the manner you think it does. It is very selective in the manner in which it functions because God designed it to only function a certain way. One way is that it cannot have truth enter it while error still remains within it. You think it can, and it can't. The error is going to have to come out before the truth enters.

Now you can have a faith of what the truth is and that is completely different to the truth actually being in your heart. Do you understand? Once the truth is in your heart, you will not need a faith in it anymore; it'll be reality to you. And the truth can't enter your heart unless the error on that particular subject has left your heart. So I would again focus on the willingness to allow the error to leave, and that's humility. So what we need to do is work on humility, the willingness to let the error leave us so the truth can enter us.

Participant: So are you saying that if we experiment still with the error in our heart, we're not going to get accurate results from the experiment?

So ask that question again, Mon? If we experiment...?

Participant: With the error, if I want to see if God is loving, when I still have the error in my heart that God isn't, I'm not going to actually get the right answer, a truthful result?

Well depends what you base your choice on. If you base your choice on the error then you certainly aren't going to get a truthful result.

Participant: But if it's intellectual...

If you base your choice on the truth, then you will definitely get a positive result.

Mary: So if you act on the truth that you intellectually know, that will expose the error and help it leave you, and then the truth can enter you.

Yeah. But can I point out to many of you, because we haven't covered prayer yet, there's only half of the information. There's so much to discuss about prayer that inter-relates with faith and the operation of Divine Love on your soul.

10.8. Removing blockages to receiving Divine Love allows Divine love to purify the soul

It still feels to me that many of you don't understand the operation of Divine Love on your soul. You're expecting that you have to do all the work of getting rid of the errors, but you don't. All you have to do is get rid of the errors that stop you from receiving Divine Love, and God's Love will get rid of the rest.

Mary: Whoo! (Laughter)

Audience: Woohoo!

This is something that many of you are still not getting. All you have to do is focus on getting rid of the errors that stop you from receiving Divine Love and then Divine Love will get rid of the rest of the error.

Mary: Deb just said, "Well that's all of my error," and I disagree. I feel that many of us have already removed enough error that we could start receiving Divine Love right now.

But you haven't got rid of the blocks that stop you from receiving it.

Mary: The excuse is for not asking.

Many of you are making this excuse for not asking - I am unworthy. That's an excuse. Your belief that you're unworthy to receive Divine Love is completely false and it's an excuse.

Mary: You can ask and you might then experience some unworthy feelings, but you would stop using that feeling as an excuse.

10.9. We will receive Divine Love whenever we have a sincere longing and humility

You often see excuse after excuse after excuse for not praying. This is why we need to cover the next part, prayer, because we often use excuse after excuse after excuse to not pray and then we say, "Oh I haven't received Divine Love yet," and we ask, and you say, "Oh because I'm not this or I haven't done that yet or I..." No, no it's not that, it's because you haven't had a sincere longing. That's the only reason why we never receive Divine Love is because our longing is not sincere for it. All we need to receive Divine Love is a sincere longing. That's all we need. Everything else will be exposed if you're willing.

Perhaps I should add one more thing and that is humility - a willingness to let go of the error. That's all you need; the longing for love, and a willingness to let go of the error emotionally. The majority of you have not received Divine Love because there is no willingness to let go of the error. You just have to be willing and you don't want to be willing.

The tantrum that goes on inside of you is like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no! I don't want to have to do that! I don't want to have to cry. I don't want to have to feel shame. I don't want to have to feel sexual shame. I don't want to have to feel anger. I don't want to have to feel rage!" You just don't want to have to feel, and God's saying, "If you want your soul to expand, you're going to have to feel whatever is in it." And we're going, "No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want to have to feel." And that's what stops us from allowing more love in. [01:58:54.02]

So we start getting a trickle of love and all of a sudden we're in a panic, "I don't want to have to feel. I don't want to have to feel." The instant that it enters our soul, God's Love will expose the error as it enters and if you do not choose to feel in that moment, God's Love can't enter you more because God's Love is a feeling and you're now locking up your feelings. You can't do that. And this is one of our main problems. So we need to talk a lot about prayer and its operation.

Mary: When you consider what's on offer, all we've got to do is just feel and we get infinite truth, infinite love; amazing gifts. It's funny that we do that, isn't it? I do that. I just go, "Oh I don't want to feel."

Yeah and quite often I have discussions with people and say, "Just there, did you see just there - you went from feeling a bit of Divine Love and feeling some other emotion, you started to cry and then you shut it down." Remember when we down south with Paul and Mel and we had a bit of a discussion over some lunch, and Mel starting crying. She says, "No, no, no. Stop, stop, stop!" And I said, "There you go! You're stopping Divine Love right there." Right there. Right at that spot, that spot where you need to feel. That's where you're stopping it. And you're shutting it down and so only a trickle gets in, and if a trickle gets in, how much transformation of the soul has happened? A trickle. (Laughter) And so ten years later it's still trickling. Now do you want a flow or a trickle?

Audience: Flow.

Yeah. That's what I think.

Mary: Floodgates.

I'd go for a flow. So my feelings are as soon as that feeling is triggered in you, let it out, let it go, let what the Divine Love has exposed in you leave you. It'll leave you for good if you let it in that one experience. If you let it go as long as it's there, it will be gone and you won't ever have to process that particular thing again, if you really let it flow.

But most of us don't do that. What most of us do is we long for God's Love, because we think it's going to be nice and love should meet all of our addictions and everything, and, because we've got a sincere longing sometimes in that place, God gives us a bit. All of sudden we're starting to feel an emotion, we're starting to feel some kind of negative feeling, in particular grief, but usually it's grief or shame or some other kind of feeling that's very, very difficult to feel, and what do we do? We cut it off. "Don't do that! Don't do that!" We run away, and in the process of running away we are stopping the operation of Divine Love affecting our soul. Our soul cannot be transformed under those particular circumstances and any transformation that will have to take place will have to take place with your own effort ... and what have we called that? We've called that the Natural Love Path.

Most of us are still doing it that way, thinking that we're on the Divine Love Path, but we're actually on the Natural Love Path, because we're not willing to engage emotionally the exposure of what's within. We're afraid of it. We're afraid of our own emotions.

The biggest problem most of us have is we're terrified of ourselves. (Laughs) We're terrified of what's within and we don't want to feel it. We can't even blame ourselves for that because most of the time that terror was created when we were little, and when we started crying and what did mum and dad do? "You stop crying otherwise I'll give you something to cry about!" Now there's the threat of violence, and of course we're terrified, but God's not like that. That's one of the things we're going to have to let go of in order to receive God's Love.

So what we'd like to do after this break is talk to you primarily about the operation of prayer, how faith influences prayer, and also what prayer does for you; what receiving Love into your soul physically, spiritually and emotionally does to your soul so that you can at least have some desire to pray. (Applause)

Faith & Prayer: Session 2 Part 2

What we'll do for the next couple of hours is talk to you a little bit about prayer, and in particular about Divine Love and its operation upon the soul. So what we would like to do firstly is focus on the operation of Divine Love on the soul and then we would like to focus on after that the operation of prayer, which brings the Divine Love into the soul.

What we find often is that most people we talk to about Divine Love and about the operation of prayer and faith still struggle with developing within themselves a passionate desire to pray. That seems to be the biggest problem. The biggest problem that most people face is having a passionate desire to connect with God and to pray and to receive that Love. If we're honest with ourselves, most of the time we don't have such a sincere desire to receive Divine Love, and that's probably our major issue.

Now what we'd like to do is talk to you about why it's our major issue, and what we need to understand about Divine Love and the operation upon the soul that will help you see its importance in terms of your own development.

Mary: And that it's a gift, that it's an exciting, wonderful gift-giving adventure rather than a thing I've got to do.

A chore.

Mary: A chore. Yep.

Yep. So let's talk about the Divine Love and what it actually does to you.

11. Prayer is a sincere longing for God's Love to enter our soul

Now we've mentioned this to you many times but we feel at times that it's difficult for people to understand the actual physical effects that Divine Love has upon the person themselves, their own soul, and what's going on within their soul.

11.1. The human soul was created with the potential to become the perfect natural human

Now imagine your soul; you are actually one half of one. You're the male or the female half of one. Remember you've got your two bodies, the physical body and the spirit body, and your soul.

We are one half of a soul (S), with a physical body (PB) and a spirit body (SB)

Now this soul was created with initially only one potentiality; the potentiality of its creation is that it can never become better than what it actually is. It can grow in the sense of knowledge and experience, it can use its will in harmony or out of harmony with love, but in the end it can never be bigger than the perfect natural human. It will always get to that point sooner or later.

Now I'm talking about the entire soul but let's assume, because I'm speaking to you as an individual, that your half of the soul is either male or female, depending on whether you're masculine or feminine. Of course these two splits could be male-male or female-female. We're not too fussed about how the soul splits in this case; we're just saying that your half of the soul has only the capacity to reach its perfected state, which we call the perfect natural human, whether that's a male or a female.

Now the perfect natural human is a state that any person who develops their soul can reach in their future. There are literally billions of people who have reached that condition in the spirit world after they've passed from the Earth, and that condition is equivalent to, as we've told you before, the sixth sphere or the sixth dimension of the spirit world. In other words you cannot progress any further than that dimension if you only develop yourself as the perfect natural human.

Your development will also be very much based around what you choose to do. You have to choose with your will what you are going to do, whether you're going to become more refined in love or not. The more refined in the way in which you use your love, the more you approach this condition of your first creation, which is the condition of the perfect natural man.

Now this progression is available to all of us at any time. Every single person on Earth, whether they are aware of it or not, is progressing towards the perfect natural man. Sooner or later they will reach that condition. For many of them, it's thousands of years later in the spirit world when they reach that condition. For many of them it can be hundreds of years or you can even progress to that condition in twenty or thirty or fifty years. In the spirit world it's quite easy to do that. On Earth it's a bit harder because there are all these external influences causing you to break the conditions of the perfect natural man.

Now the perfect natural man is very focused on ethics. In other words we need to become ethically pure, ethically in harmony with God's Viewpoint of ethics in order to become the perfect natural man. We don't have to believe in God, we don't have to have a relationship with God. Many of the people who become the perfect natural human do believe in God but don't have a relationship with God. So they have a concept of God that's a human concept or a revised human concept of God, but they don't actually have a personal relationship with God. But they still have become ethically and morally pure; there's development in morals as well, and you could say ethics and morals is the development in natural love. And natural love is the love that comes from within the soul itself - the human soul - that is projected outwards towards anything in its environment. So we become perfect in natural love. [00:07:30.15]

So that's how we were created. We were created to have that capacity. None of us can grow beyond that capacity by ourselves, through our own effort. In fact it's impossible to grow beyond that capacity through your own effort. It is possible for you to get to the perfect natural human through your own effort, but it's impossible to grow beyond that point through your own effort; physically and spiritually and emotionally impossible. And it's impossible for the soul to grow beyond that point through its own effort.

11.2. God exists outside of the universe

Historically in different times that we've presented things for you, we've introduced to you this alternative way of progressing, which involves God, who has masculine and feminine qualities.

God exists outside of the universe. The reason why we know that to be a fact is because God existed before the universe came into being, and so as a result God exists outside of the universe. Now God can enter the universe through certain mechanisms and energies, but God is a separate entity than the universe itself, which God created.

God exists outside of the universe, and by the universe I'm not only referring to the physical universe in which we live. Scientists feel that the physical universe has a boundary, it's expanding at the moment, and they've found very recently that it actually flows; that it's actually rotating around what seems to be cause. There is also a flow from universal structures into other universal structures. Scientists have also found, which is also a truth, that there is a large amount of matter in the universe that they cannot see, but it has a weight, it has a gravitational field and so forth. These are proofs that there are other dimensional spaces. So mathematicians have got super computers on the job, and they've found that there are thirteen or fourteen dimensional spaces that they can prove at this point in time through mathematics.

When I'm talking about the universe, I'm talking about all of these dimensional spaces. And by the way dimensional spaces keep on being created, not by God, but actually by the people who enter these new spaces through conditions of love, but that's a separate subject all together.

So we've got this universal structure in which we, a human person, a human soul exists, of which we personally are one half. Now we have the ability to communicate with the source of our creation, God. Let's call God the Source or Creator. God is an entity as you will find out through your process. But don't assume that - experiment with that. We can experiment with everything about God.

11.3. God's Love can physically enter our soul

What God is offering to us is Divine Love, God's Love, which is a part of the substance of God, and it can enter our soul; it can actually physically enter our soul. Not our bodies, but the soul itself - our real self. Not the bodies. It's very important that we understand it's not the bodies; it's the soul that is in communication with God. So it's very important for us, as you can see from that, that we connect to our own soul; that we actually know what our own soul is and can feel the emotions and passions and desires and personality and nature of ourselves. It's a very important part of this process.

Now God is offering us this Love. Since our coming in the first century, it's been offered since then to all humanity, no matter what religion you are, no matter what nation you are from, as the Bible says, tribe, nation, tongue; it doesn't matter whether what gender you are, how old you are, any of those things. It's being offered to you as a gift. But the will of the soul itself must be engaged in receiving the gift. Now you've all been taught these basic principles.

Now when we have a certain thing happening inside of our soul, this gift of love - Divine Love - can flow from God's Soul, who is outside of the universe, through the universe, and into your soul. All it requires inside of you is a sincere pure longing for it. That's all it requires. Nothing else. You don't have to be perfect. In fact if you had to perfect before it happened it would probably never happen. (Laughs) You don't have to be perfect. You don't have to have a whole lot of rules and laws that you follow but there are some basic principles. But you don't have to have a whole lot of rules and laws to follow in order to receive this Love. There's only thing you need and that is a sincere, pure longing for it. That's it. Nothing else.

Now many of us go, "But, but, but what about all the stuff you taught about truth and then what else? All that?" Yeah all that's just side stuff, trying to help you through a process that you've been unwilling to engage. This is the process that a child can engage. And trust me, there are many children of people who have listened to us in audiences who are doing far better with this than we are as adults, who are receiving Divine Love because they trust the process much more generally.

11.4. Prayer opens the human soul to Divine Love

So Divine Love enters the soul. But what opens the soul itself to receive the Love? The answer to that is - prayer. Prayer has the effect of opening the soul so that some Love can come in. A lot of times when you develop a longing for something, you are now open to its reception.

Now many of you want to have people give you things without you being open to its reception. So if you look in a general relationship, many people want the other party to give them love while they are completely closed to receiving the love. The only way love flows is for the person who wants to receive it to open their heart to the reception of it. Now that makes sense, doesn't it? Like if you got a door closed to the reception of love, no matter how much love is given to you, how much can it enter you? None. Unless you open the door and let the love in, no love can enter you. That's the use of your will, that's the ultimate decision that you need to make for yourself. [00:15:32.17]

The ultimate decision is, do I want to open my soul to receive Love from the Source, from the Creator? That's my ultimate choice, my ultimate decision. God will leave that decision with you. So if you don't want to make that decision for thousands of years, that's okay with God. That's your choice. That's the free will gift that God gave you to make that choice. But when you pray, when you have a longing, and remember prayer is a sincere, passionate desirous longing for this Love to enter you, when you open your heart it will enter you. It will enter you every time you have a sincere longing for it. Every time.

Prayer causes God's Love to enter our soul from God, who is located outside the universe

11.5. Discerning what is a sincere longing

So if you think you're praying and you're not receiving this Love, then you haven't got a sincere longing for it because God always answers the soul with a sincere longing.

Mary: It's worth growing the discernment internally between what is a sincere longing and what is not. If you're telling yourself you're asking and you're not receiving, then you can go, "Ah I learned something here about what..."

There's my experiment, and there's a result, straight away.

Mary: Yeah. (Laughs) Result. "This thing that I'm feeling that's not longing. Okay. Keep looking. What is this thing I'm feeling?"

What does a longing feel like? Many of us have yet to discover that because if we had discovered that we would already be receiving love every time we longed for it.

12. Developing a longing for God

Participant: You said something to me last year about longing, which made the light bulb go off in my head. It was along the lines where I said that all I was doing was I had a goal and then I had faith that I was going to get there, and you said that's what longing is, in a simple sort of way. I was wondering if you could just probably elaborate on how simple it is, because I feel it is that simple.

12.1. An analogy of developing a longing for a relationship with another person

Probably the best way to elaborate on it would be to use the example of when you first see somebody that you really like and you would like to have a relationship with them. (To Mary) "I really like you and I'd like to have a relationship with you." Let's say you see them from over the other side of the room. Now there's something that starts inside of you, isn't there? If you think about the kind of emotions, it's very interesting because they're very similar to the kind of emotions we described yesterday when we were talking about love again. You get a bit of a joy in your heart when you look at that person, you feel a bit excited. Is that not the case? And then what happens is you allow this excitement and feeling to grow, don't you? You don't shut it down, you allow it to grow. And it grows big enough for you to make the approach and to go towards her. Then if she's not interested, a bit of fear might come up, "Maybe she's not interested," or whatever. But then if the desire is really there, the longing is really there, you'll even overcome that, won't you? And if the longing's strong enough, she could say, "I'm not interested in you," and you'd say, "Ah you'll be interested in me sooner or later." (Laughter) And there's that feeling that pulls you to it and you allow that feeling to develop. You don't shut it down. Now that's really the kind of feeling that we need to start developing with God.

Now the problem with God is we can't see God in the sense of an outward shape. We can't interact with the physical whereas with the person we can. So part of our problem with God is because we can't see God we then don't think that we can establish a relationship. The reality is we can establish a relationship soul-to-soul. Once we start connecting to our soul instead of seeing the outward beautiful appearance of the person, we start connecting to their soul rather than their appearance.

Now we can do the same thing with God. We want to connect with the beautiful person or being that God is. In the same way we can develop this kind of longing. So my suggestion is, if you feel that you don't have a longing for God, let yourself think about the longing you've had in the past or currently for a person in a relationship and how that feels, so that you can sort of imagine the feeling that you might finish up having with God. Now it won't be a sexual feeling with God, because God created the two halves to be sexually connected. It'll be a bigger feeling in fact than a sexual feeling with God, but it's going to start with very small steps usually initially.

So once we have this feeling of wanting to know God, the feeling of wanting to discover God, wanting to feel some of God's Love (and in fact the more of God's Love we feel, the more we'll want to know about God), and allow that feeling to develop, and that's what a prayer is. A prayer is not an intellectual thought aimed towards God, it's a feeling felt for God. Very, very different. [00:21:15.04]

Mary: And as Fab rightly pointed out, there's faith in actually connecting to God.

Yep.

Participant: I thought that was the one that connected it all. It was like the faith that it could actually be the love there for you.

Yes.

Participant: Like when you walked up to the woman there's faith that the potentiality that that person could love you back.

Exactly. So if, in this relationship, you saw the woman - in my case I'm a man so I'm going for Mary, my soulmate, and I saw her and I thought, "Yeah I'd really love to have a relationship with her and I'd really love to get to know her"; that's really what we're saying, isn't it? We'd love to get to know the person, and to get to know them I've got eventually get to the point of speaking to them and sharing feelings with them. So eventually I've got to have some kind of interaction. So that pulls me closer and closer to the interaction. Now at some point if she gave me a dirty look...

Mary: (Mary feigns a dirty look) (Laughter) Trying hard on that one!

She's not very good at dirty looks anymore!

Mary: I used to be! (Laughs)

She used to be real good at them! (Laughter) There you go!

Mary: One look could level a man! (Laughter)

One look you'd go, "Argh!" (Laughs) But if I got a dirty look and all of a sudden the fear comes up, "I don't know if I want a relationship with this woman." Now from that moment on my desire has been pushed down, hasn't it? It's been squelched and pushed down, and so there's a high likelihood I would not engage her and therefore never know her.

Participant: But if the goal was to eventually be with Mary, it'll still push through that, wouldn't it?

Well this is what I'm saying with God though most of the time.

12.2. Working through unworthiness feelings towards God

If we had true faith that God is good, and we had true faith that God had love to give you, and true faith that God wasn't going to give you a dirty look, then it's highly unlikely you would stop. But unfortunately because of our own emotional condition we start entering this relationship with God and we start getting triggered by what we think about ourselves most of the time. So we start feeling, "I'm not good enough to connect to God," or, "I'm not this and I'm..."

Whole religions have been created from those feelings. Where do you think all of the religions that believe in sacrifice got that teaching from? That you're not worthy, or that you're a sinner through to the core and that you have to have somebody else come and save you. Where do you think those teachings came from? They came from this underlying feeling that's in most people that they're unworthy to connect to God. So then they have to even create a religion based around the concept that you're unworthy. [00:24:06.16]

Now the true Christian faith, which we established in the first century, is not based around the concept you're unworthy. It's based around the concept you are worthy, the opposite concept; the concept that you are the pinnacle of God's Creation. But you may not believe this when you start with your relationship with God, and so what you do is once you start you may start receiving some Divine Love and then feel not worthy and this is where you have to be humble. You need to go, "Okay, I'm willing to feel this feeling knowing and having faith that it's only a feeling. It's not the truth about how God feels about me, it's only a feeling that I have about myself. That needs to go, that needs to be released."

12.2.1. Having faith that error is not a part of us and can be released

Mary: Can I just add one side note based on that AJ approaching me and me giving him a dirty look? (Laughter) Which is not that far from the truth.

(AJ Laughs)

Mary: (Laughs) It's something for those of you who are in a partnership or who want to be. One of the most beautiful things that my relationship with AJ has taught me about not just him but about love and God is that when I threw at him anger and dirty looks and things, he had the faith that that was just injury and that underneath I was created beautiful. That made him very patient and kind and loving with me. That is a beautiful thing that you can offer to a partner; not having expectations on them but also seeing that if they're throwing at you things that are hurtful or hard, you don't have to accept them, but you can also know and affirm to them that that's part of their creation and not God's.

So Mary and I have had many conversations where I've said to Mary, "But this isn't you. This feeling you have of anger towards me or anger towards men generally, that's not you, that's not how God created you, that's just something that's entered you. It's not really a part of you, you can have it leave you too." And this is one of things we need to have some faith in, that we can have our bad feelings leave us. We don't have to retain them.

Mary: And as you do that, you offer your partner something that demonstrates what God offers us, which is very helpful then when you go to engage in the relationship with God.

Yeah.

Mary: That was a side note though. (Laughs)

12.3. Getting to know God by forming a relationship with God

Participant: Maybe I'm struggling. How can I imagine God?

Well initially it's very, very difficult to imagine God because God is nothing like anything else you've ever met. So what you've got to do is stop worrying about imagining God, and just realise firstly that God's the most loving Being that's ever existed in the universe, and God wants to have a relationship with you. Start imagining that first. Many of you are asking questions about God that you will have answered through God's Love entering you and only through it. It's like you're trying to jump the gun all the time, as the saying goes. In other words you're trying to work ahead of yourself. So you're trying to say, "Well what's God really like? Does God have this? Does God have that?" No, you'll get all those answers when you have the relationship with God. So rather than somebody tell you what God is, it's far better for you to experiment with the relationship with God and find out from God who God is.

It's a bit like me in a relationship with Mary. If I went up to Mary and she gave me a bit of a dirty look or whatever and I was a bit meek and mild, which I was and still probably am a bit, not that any of you really believe that (laughs), I might go all shy and whatever and not be able to connect. Now if I was really passionate about knowing Mary I could go and ask Corny about Mary. He might know Mary, and I'd go and ask him. And then I'd go and ask Mary's mum and dad about Mary and I'd go and ask her brother about Mary. But I tell you their opinions about Mary are pretty off at the moment so they're probably not very good people to ask. [00:28:28.15]

Mary: Not very reliable.

I could ask Mary's friends about Mary, what Mary's like and so forth. But am I having a relationship with Mary? No. How am I going to have a relationship with Mary? I'm going to at some point have to have a relationship where I ask Mary about Mary, am I not? And if she wants to know me, and we actually have a relationship, she would have to at some point have a desire to know me and ask me about me.

Now this relationship with God is much the same as that. It's no good me telling you God's Qualities. What I would like to do is show you how to connect to God so that God can tell you God's Qualities. And if God tells you God's Qualities, then you are learning the truth from God and not from me. In fact you don't have to learn the truth from any person; you only need to learn the truth from God. But you're not going to do that without having a relationship. Without having this Divine Love enter you, you're not going to experience a part of God.

Divine Love is a part of God, one of the most, in my opinion still, the biggest, one of the biggest parts of God. And the fact is that when you receive Divine Love, you are receiving a part of God into you so you will have a very clear idea after that who God is. You'll have a very clear opinion about God's Nature and you'll know God's Attributes and Qualities through that. Until that happens, you need faith. That's all you need.

Participant: If I really have desire to know God and I pray, if my understanding about God is coming from you, not from God, isn't it my fear for unknown?

Yes, it is your fear of the unknown. What I'm suggesting is that God will show you everything you need to know if you establish the relationship. That's what I'm saying. And if you experiment with this process, the process of praying and receiving God's Love, then God will be able to share with you who God is.

In the end if we're all connecting with God and God's sharing with all of us who God is, eventually we'll all finish up with the same opinion about God. That makes sense, doesn't it? Eventually we'd all end up with the same opinion about God. The reason why in most religions there is a differing opinion about God, even inside the religion, is because most adherents to a certain religion have not received anything from God and therefore do not know or have the correct opinion about God. As a result they all have differing opinions, which are their own opinions about God. [00:31:15.14]

So I'm saying, yes, there is a need to give up your own opinion about God, to take a risk and open your heart through prayer. Prayer is the operation of what opens your heart. This longing within you is the longing to receive, and that opens your heart to receive. That's the important thing we need to focus on. We need to forget about worrying about anything that we worry about other than that.

12.4. Observing God's Nature by observing beauty in the universe

Participant: Something that's helped me get past that little stage (and it could a part of my addiction of being addicted to feeling good) was to look at all of God's beauty in the universe.

Yep.

Participant: Like, you know, newborn babies, the sunrise, the sunset, and that could soften me to...

God's True Nature.

Participant: Yeah. God's True Nature. Not the angry God and the wrathful God and those things.

Yes. We've got a lot of evidence in the universe already that God is loving. Just the way our own body is made is loving; the way it's made, even the way it interacts with the opposite gender or a partner is an indication of God's Love as well. God wouldn't have created all these capacities and abilities inside of our own body without their having to be some love in the person who created them.

Participant: Yeah but when you still believe God didn't create you perfect it's hard to see whereas I could see it perfect in a newborn baby or in a flower.

Yeah but even in our own imperfection there's still these beautiful things that we have, and can enjoy in our own body every single day. This is an indication of God's Love for us. I feel there are huge amounts of evidence on this planet in physical reality supporting that a loving God actually exists, and that that loving God cares enough to design us very carefully, to design us with a lot of care and a lot of desire for us to enjoy ourselves and also our partner. So even that relationship is an indication of how much God wants us to enjoy our life and therefore how much care God has for us.

I don't feel though that the majority of people really have much faith in God - that God is good - and I do not believe that it's possible to have faith that God is good until you've started to receive Divine Love into your soul. Then you will start having a lot of faith that God is good. But there is plenty of intellectual evidence and reasonable evidence supporting the existence of a loving creator. It's just whether you want to see it or not, or whether you want to refuse it or not, or what kind of anger you have inside of you. But we're getting a bit off the track because we want to talk about the prayer operation. It's very important we understand the operation of prayer.

12.5. Finding the cause of emotional issues rapidly with the help of God

Participant: I've just become aware recently that I have emotions of sense of separation at times from God. And it's like He's out there somewhere rather than in my heart. Yeah and I'm not quite sure how to really break through that one.

Feel them.

Participant: Well yeah but there would have to be something underneath that, wouldn't there?

Of course, but if you feel the actual emotion then you'll find the thing underneath generally.

Participant: Yeah, okay. Thank you.

Yep just feel them. It's very simple. We just need to feel them. When we feel them, we're not judging them, we're not condemning them, we're not shutting them down, we're not in denial of them, and as a result when we feel them whatever is the cause will be exposed. And if we pray about the cause, it'll be exposed even faster. If we have a strong longing for truth about the cause, it'll expose very rapidly. (To Mary) It was an interesting illustration for you last night, wasn't it? You were praying about the cause of something... (AJ clicks his fingers)

Mary: Yep, it was delivered very quickly. (Laughs)

Delivered very quickly. We won't say what it was, but it was delivered very quickly.

Mary: Yep. I thought, I don't how I'm ever going to deal with this and in fact it's so big I can't even keep what it is I need to deal in my head. And I just went, "God, I'm going to need your help on this one." And within twelve hours there it was. Yeah.

Yeah, and most of the time that's what happens. But let's iron out a few things that are incorrect about prayer.

13. Prayer must come from the soul to be effective

Prayer coming from your brain is useless. That's why it doesn't work for most people because, for example, when you're doing a rosary without any heart, or if you're praying six times a day to the east without any heart, it has no benefit to you or to anybody else around you whatsoever. Prayer coming from the mind of your spirit body is useless.

I want to illustrate to you the practical reasons why those two things are useless, and there are very good scientific reasons actually why those particular things are useless. There are a lot of good scientific reasons.

One, thoughts are created by your own brain and those thoughts come from your soul, which trigger thoughts generally. But thoughts alone, which do not come from your soul, are just coming from your own brain or somebody else's brain. They are your creations not God's. Now you're allowed to create, God created you to create, but they are your creations.

The second thing is that thoughts cannot exit the universe. So while it is possible for people inside of the universe to catch your thoughts, in other words telepathic response to your thoughts is possible, God will not receive your thoughts, because God exists outside of the universe.

Your thoughts are a substance of your own creation and require the same substance to exist in order to be transmitted, and as a result of that they require substances that exist within the physical universe in order to be transmitted from one person to another. As a result it is impossible for thoughts to exit the universe. Do you understand? Is that getting a bit too scientific for you?

Mary: It's like trying to send an email to someone who doesn't have a network. (Laughs)

So while God can see your thoughts because God can peer into the universe and see anything, God will not receive your thoughts into God's Soul because it's impossible for your thought to exit the universe and enter God's Soul.

There's only one thing that God created that enables you to communicate with God, and that is your soul. Your soul is made up of substances that, when transmitted, are able to exit the universe and enter God. These substances all revolve around your passions, desires, longings and emotions, which are not constrained by the universe because they come from a soul that was created by God in the same substance. That's why we're referred to as the image of the Creator.

So our soul is created in the image of the creator, and as such we have the ability to transmit to our creator feelings from our soul, even thoughts from our soul, but they're not structured in the way that our intellectual thoughts are structured. No amount of intellectual prayer will actually be heard by God. What has to be engaged is the soul. Your feelings, your longings, your desires, your passions - these are the things that need to be engaged in order to pray.

14. Prayer is effective if our longing is in harmony with God's Longing

Now prayer where these things are engaged is always effective. In other words God always receives it under one condition, there's one condition, and that is if, and I'll write it as a big "IF", because everyone ignores the "if": if our longing is in harmony with God's Longing. So it's a big if. If our longing is in harmony with God's Longing, every longing we have that is directed towards God will be satisfied.

Prayer from our soul (S) to God's Soul, which is outside the universe, is only effective if our longing is in harmony with God's Longing

Now once you really have faith in that, it's really interesting how much your life can change. But most of us have no faith in that at all. Most of the time, because we experience or try to experience our longings directed towards God, you know what ends up happening? Our longings are tainted and so they are not in harmony with God's Longing and then we say we never got anything. Of course you're not going to get anything because your longing was not in harmony with God's Longing.

If your longing is in harmony with God's Longing, every single time you have a longing directed towards God it will be satisfied. Every single time. So if you have a longing to receive God's Love inside of your soul, do you think that longing would be in harmony with God's Longing? Of course. So you will receive God's Love every single time. The only time you won't is if your longing was not in harmony with God's Love; it wasn't sincere or it wasn't pure. That's the only time.

14.1. An example of wanting God to take our pain away

Now people listen to that and they go, "But I often pray and I don't receive God's Love." And I'm saying, yeah, that's right. Spot on - because your longing isn't in harmony with God's. You think you're praying and something is impure about it. That's what's going on.

For the majority of people this is what is really going on. The majority of people have these holes within themselves, like a great big hole, that's full of pain. You know what we want from God? Our pain gets so big and what we want is we want God to make it go away. And so you know what we do? Under those conditions we long for God's Love to enter us and make our pain go away.

Our longing for God's Love to take our pain away is not in harmony with God's Longing

Now is that a pure longing? Who created this pain? Did God create it? No. Somebody else, or we ourselves, through our choices, created it. So God can't make our pain go away. God will expose our pain so that we can feel it and then it will go away. But God's not going to make it go away. Too many people believe that God will make their pain go away. It's never going to happen because we or others around us created this pain, and we need to have it go away by experiencing it rather than holding on to it. It's only in us because we're holding on to it. [00:43:50.13]

Now because we do that most of the time when we're longing to God, for instance when we have some crisis in our life and so we long to God, we're really wanting God to make our pain go away. Of course our prayers may not be answered because it's not in harmony with God's Longing. God wants you to deal with your pain. God wants you to see the reasons how it got created. God wants you to feel how it got created so that you never create it again. If God just rubbed it out every time, you'd just go ahead and create it again if you don't know how it got there. You need to know how it got there. You need to feel it and experience it in order to know. So God's not going to rub out your pain just because you want it.

15. Audience questions

15.1. An example of a participant processing emotions but not feeling closer to God

Participant: Just with the example that Mary was giving before about when she prays to feel the emotion and it comes, I have the same thing and I'm a hundred percent confident because it happens within the next 24 hours.

Yep.

Participant: And like the same thing happened this morning. I woke up, had some dreams, prayed, I just said, "Just give me humility, help me just be open to whatever comes." Within an hour I was in the emotion and I just allowed the grief. Every fifteen minutes when the grief would stop I'd just pray, "Help me to keep going," and then it would just keep going. So it went like this for, I don't know, roughly an hour or so. But here's my thing. At the end of it I don't feel any closer to God. I feel good in that I've released from grief and I feel more faith in the system, I have more confidence in it because I know it works. It happens every single time, but I don't feel closer to God. I don't feel more of a connection with God and neither do I feel God's Love entering me.

You're only going to feel closer to God through having the relationship with God. I feel a lot of people listen to the principles of Divine Truth and then they have a very self-focused viewpoint of it. In other words what they do is they go, "Okay, I understand this principle. If I just pray for God to expose some truth to me, God will expose some truth to me, and I'll be able, if I'm humble, I'll be able to feel the emotion, that will release from me, and that's fantastic." That will not specifically make you closer to God. To be closer to God you need to have a relationship with God that gets established, and many of us are yet to deal with the emotions that prevent the establishments of such a relationship. [00:46:39.08]

For example, if you have anger with God's System, then that's going to definitely stop you from having a relationship with God. It doesn't matter what other emotions you process, it will benefit you with the other emotions, but your relationship with God will not change.

This is where it's very important to understand that just because we're processing emotions it doesn't automatically mean that we're going to be closer to God. To be closer to God we have to process the emotions that we have with God, and often they're not the ones that we are very concerned about. Often we're focused on other ones.

For instance we might be more focused on having a relationship, and so we process the emotions that block us from having a relationship, and we forget about God in that process. Or we might feel that we're unhappy a lot, so we process the emotions that deal with our personal unhappiness, but we still neglect our relationship with God. To actually be closer to God you're going to have to deal with your emotional blockages with God. That makes sense, doesn't it?

Many of us are not choosing to do that. We're dealing with other emotional blockages towards our partner or potential partners, towards the opposite gender, towards our father, towards our mother, towards the universe in general, towards the environment; we're willing to engage all these different issues that we have with regard to love, but we're still often avoiding the biggest thing that's going to change our life, and that is the relationship with God.

Participant: Yeah. I've gone down this track of trying to go through my blocks to receiving God's Love and so I feel

one of my things is I cannot connect to God and then it usually will take me into an emotion about I couldn't connect with my dad, for instance. It kind of goes down that track, but again I don't feel closer to God.

Well if you don't feel closer to God then you haven't solved the problem. So to me the experiment is telling you the direction you're going isn't the right direction. See for me whenever I process through something emotionally and if afterwards it feels like nothing's really changed, then I go well I obviously haven't done much. So I don't believe that I have just because I've felt something. I realise that I've got to still find more. [00:49:06.20]

You see the experiment will always tell you the truth. We're like scientists remember? As we were saying yesterday, if the experiment tells you you're not closer to God after you've done the experiment, then I would suggest to you that it's the wrong emotion. You're trying to guess an emotion or you have a preference for a certain emotion and you're not being willing to face other emotions that stop the relationship with God.

Mary: There's also this really fundamental thing that AJ touched on just now about a relationship is two way. We've got to develop feelings for God and long to know God, not just have God come and fix us. If we're very focused on, "I'm just going to cry and long to God so I'm better," we can actually breed arrogance through that. We're going to have acknowledge that at some point that God knows more than us and when we hold on to this feeling like I'm going to have to know, I want to know everything, and I never want to feel like I don't know as much as the person I'm in the relationship with, that's also going to prevent me having a relationship, isn't it? So I see a lot of people struggling with those two things, actually wanting to know God and also acknowledging that God knows more than them.

Participant: I feel that's definitely true because the times when I felt really close to God on this path I've had massive love for God. And I felt like that's missing often, it's just, "Give me, give me."

Mmm.

Mary: And God's giving us so many gifts and often we don't feel any gratitude whatsoever, and that blocks us from God.

So, "Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme," is the thing we've got going on with God, and sooner or later God's going to say, because there's some laws involved, "Well no I can't give you any more until you get over this 'give me' attitude that you have; this real strong addictive desire to keep getting, keep getting, without really appreciating what we've got already." [00:51:09.15]

16. Prayer from the soul is transmitted to God instantly

Can I just proceed before we answer any more questions though because I feel that many of you still don't really get that there is these physical, scientific limitations to intellectual prayer. There's a limitation. You see, how fast does the speed of light travel? Do you know? 300,000 km per second, 180,000 miles per second. That's pretty fast. None of us have probably travelled that fast.

Now the reality is that if prayer travelled at that speed, it would take eight years to reach our nearest star. And if God's outside the universe, that means God is billions of light years away. How long is it going to take for our prayer to reach God? We say a prayer, and then we die waiting for the answer. (Laughter) That's what it would be like. If prayer had some kind of physical limitation like the speed of light in terms of its transmission, then that would be the case.

But God's created it in such a way that emotion, the actual sensory part of the soul, can travel faster than the speed of light. It's an instant transference. So you can have an emotion here for example, and if you're connected with somebody in the spirit world who's hundreds of thousands of light years away, they'll be able to feel it the moment you feel it. So there's a part of your soul that's able to communicate with other souls in the universe including God's Soul, at faster than the speed of light speeds. In fact instantaneously. That's an attribute of your soul. It's actually a scientific truth in the spirit world that you will discover in your investigations when you arrive in the spirit world. It might be many years after you arrive that you discover it but you'll recognise the scientific truth of it through experiments that you undertake.

So the soul has the ability to have a feeling directed at another, and that other person inside of universe or outside of the universe - in this case God is the only Being outside - but any person inside the universe will be able to instantly sense the feeling, if they are open.

17. Prayer is effective if our longing is in harmony with God's Longing (continued)

So every real feeling you have directed at God, God actually feels while you're having it. And God will respond to it if it's in harmony with God's Longing.

17.1. Being truthful about our feelings towards God

Now I've raised this issue with you because many of you are not aware that you actually are angry with God, that you don't actually want God's Love, you want to be totally annoyed with God and rageful with God. That's how you really feel. You've also got going on, "But I've got to love God to receive God's Love. I've got to." This is not true. You don't have to love God to receive God's Love. You have to be truthful about how you actually feel to receive God's Love.

Mary: Because that's part of God's Longing, isn't it?

That's part of God's Longing. God doesn't want you to fake things; God wants you to be real. So if your real feeling towards God is rage, then you need to be expressing that towards God. You might even receive Divine Love while you're in a rage with God. Do you know that? It is possible to receive Divine Love while you're in a rage with God. [00:55:18.19]

Mary: Who's had that experience?

Yeah. So you can actually receive Divine Love while you're in a rage with God because while you're in a rage with God, God's acknowledging that, "Yeah, now you're being real with me and that's what I want." You experiment with that and give that a go, if that's the feeling you actually have.

Participant: Yeah I just wanted to say I've had that experience where I'm trying to be loving, trying to be loving and I'm just like, "Fuck you! I hate you!"

(AJ Laughs)

Participant: And then straight away I'm into something and it's worked through and I'm like, oh wow, it works.

Exactly.

Participant: Because I was just real; that's how I was feeling.

Exactly. And while you're trying to fake it, you're not real.

Participant: Not at all. Didn't work.

And so what's God saying? God's going, "You're not real. You're not real. Now you're real! I love this!" (Laughs)

Participant: And then it can actually help too at that point.

Exactly. So many of us need to work through our emotions with God, in order to establish this relationship with the Source, with God.

If we understand the physical constraints that are placed upon our intellectual concepts; our intellectual concepts are limited to the universe in which we live, they cannot extend beyond it, whereas our soul-based feelings and emotions have been created by God to extend beyond the universe and even enter God's Soul. In fact God has created a conduit, if you like, for that to occur, and that conduit is called the Holy Spirit. It's an Energy of God that allows the transmission of feelings between God and ourselves. It's like a pipe that connects to both souls under certain circumstances, in harmony with God's Longing. [00:57:18.23]

Now these particular principles are not just airy fairy ideas that I dreamed up in the first century to create a religion. They are scientific principles that you can actually test through experimentation. That's the difference between them. They are actual truths of God's Universe and the interaction between our soul and God's Soul. That's what we need to understand.

18. Benefits of receiving Divine Love

Now that we understand that that's what prayer does, why would we do it? Why would we have a connection? Why would we want to establish a connection with God's Soul?

18.1. Divine Love transforms our soul into a new creature

Well what happens is once Divine Love flows from God into our soul, our soul has been created to respond to the substance of Divine Love in itself, and to start changing and transforming itself into a new creature. Not the creature that we were initially intended to be, but a new creature that has a possession and is given systematically possessions of the Divine. In other words, parts of God's Divine Nature have now the capacity to enter our soul and transform our soul so that we eventually have similar capacities.

So in other words, you could think of the Divine Love like a switch causing a transformer to appear. Have you ever seen the Transformer movies? They're driving along in a little car and all of a sudden, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, and it's like this great big giant thing? Well that's what really Divine Love does to our soul. Divine Love has the effect upon our soul of causing a different kind of growth that it didn't have the potential of before. This potential growth is infinite. We can continue to change and transform over an infinite period of time and infinitely in terms of expansion. But that capacity didn't originally exist in the soul, it only exists because of God's Love entering it and switching on the capacity.

This is how essential Divine Love is to your future existence. You can never become more than the perfect natural human without Divine Love entering your soul. So if it was me knowing that and also having some faith in it, I would be going, okay, let me experiment with this. Let's experiment with this concept that Jesus is trying to get across to us of God's Love having the ability to switch something on inside of my soul and start my soul into a new type of growth, a different type of experience that can occur infinitely. And as my soul grows and makes these changes, different capacities are given to the soul through this experience. [01:00:41.21]

18.2. Divine Love gives new capacities to the human soul

18.2.1. Teleportation

Remember I talked to you about travelling at the speed of light? Well most spirits are aware that they're able to travel at more than the speed of light speeds, but most spirits are aware that they cannot travel instantly. In fact it is impossible for a spirit (a person who you will become in the spirit life) to travel instantly until they reach the eighth dimension of the spirit world, and they have enough love in their soul that transforms them, by God giving them the ability, through this transformational process.

God actually gives us the ability of now being able to transport ourselves instantly to any location within the physical universe and spirit universe that meets our condition of love. So you just have the thought, bang, and you're there, bang, without even realising. It's not a thought because it's a soul-based operation. So I have a feeling to be there, and I'm there.

Now most spirits are consciously aware of the movement before that state. In other words there is time taken between movements, but by the time you reach the eighth dimension, now you have this new ability that the soul has only because of its expanded state. So this is one physical ability that I'm speaking of.

18.2.2. Feeling others' souls accurately

The soul also has many emotional abilities that were not capable in our earlier states. One of these abilities is to absorb feelings from any other soul and accurately read every other soul that they come in contact with, whether they are male or female.

In other words, that's like the ability of me just seeing Mary and then feeling an avalanche of feelings about Mary's entire life, all in a space of a few seconds, and all of a sudden I know Mary before I've even spoken to her. I know what has happened in her life, I know her history, I know her experience, I know what she's thinking right at the moment, why she's thinking that, everything. Is that too much information overload? (Laughter)

Now the capacity you get as you grow in Divine Love is you start receiving these kinds of capacities where you can actually read the thoughts of another person and know very accurately what they're thinking. Not just about you; about anything. You can also feel their feelings and what created their feelings. You can even feel their history. You can categorically say to somebody, "Yes this happened to you in your childhood when you were three." And they go, "How the hell do you know that?" "Well because I know, I can feel this happened from you. Is that not what happened?" And they go, "Yeah, who told you that?" "Nobody. Your soul told me that! I can feel your soul. So it told me that."

These are the capacities that come to the soul through the reception of Divine Love. The soul does not have these capacities without the reception of Divine Love. I've only just mentioned a few of them. We've listed quite a large number of them, and even then we haven't exhausted the list of what kind of capacities come to the soul with the reception of Divine Love. [01:04:25.20]

Now if you really had faith in that, wouldn't you go, yeah I think it's pretty important for the rest of my life to receive Divine Love? Wouldn't you feel that? The reality is most of us don't have any faith in that, so when we don't have faith what do we need to do? Experiment. Experiment with what I'm saying. You don't have to believe it, just experiment with it. Put the experiment into some kind of action and see whether it's true or not.

18.3. Divine Love prevents sickness and aging in our bodies

Participant: Is there any advantage or difference in that we have our physical bodies attached to our soul at this time in seeking the Divine Love? Is there any big purpose or...?

There is no purpose to our physical or spiritual bodies in regard to our communication with God. Our spiritual and physical bodies have been created for our purpose in order for us to enjoy firstly the physical universe in which we live, through the physical body, and the spirit body, therefore enjoying the spirit universe in which we live. These bodies God created so that we could experientially have knowledge come to our soul. So they are only appendages of the soul.

However there are direct benefits to our physical and spirit body when the soul receives Divine Love. For example, once you become at-one with God, you will never get sick again. Isn't that a great advantage? Your physical body won't grow old anymore either - in fact it will grow young. The cell replication process, which actually stops when you're around twenty-five, starts up again and so your physical appearance will grow younger as well. And once you become at-one with God, if you become at-one with God on Earth, you'll look around twenty-five. Twenty-five to thirty, around that bracket. That's a subsequent advantage of receiving Divine Love into the soul but I wouldn't say it's a very big advantage. It's just one of the many hundreds of advantages of a person receiving Divine Love. [01:06:51.03]

18.4. Divine Love gives freedom to physical experiences

Mary: I reckon a top advantage of receiving Divine Love while you're still in your physical body is that you experience more freedom of experience in your physical body because fear no longer governs what you do. You actually get to experience God's creations in the physical in a far more rich way.

So you have more freedom of movement. Remember yesterday, in "Relationship with God - Faith & Prayer S1", when we were talking about having faith and we were talking about this whole principle of gravity versus aerodynamics? Remember I said the discovery of each new law leads you to more freedom physically, more ability to express yourself and enjoy your life. So why would you not believe that if that's what happens when you discover a new physical law, why would you not believe the same thing can happen if you discover a new soul-based law or a spiritual law?

We have all these beliefs systems about physical laws and we don't apply them to spiritual matters. It's almost like we're thinking in two different ways. On the physical laws we go, "Yes, I understand that if I understand a new physical law it's a fantastic thing." We go, for instance with the Law of Gravity, "If I understand the Law of Aerodynamics that gives me more freedom." We understand that but we don't then apply that to the soul-based laws and we don't go, "Ah if I find a law that actually affects my soul and causes my soul to transform in a certain way, then that is going to give me more freedom and more ability and more joy." We don't believe that. But it makes no sense. On one hand we believe it when it's physical; on the other hand when it's spiritual we don't believe it.

What I'm suggesting is any good scientist would look at the evidence, given in the physical realm, and then they would go, "Maybe the same concepts apply to these other realms. Maybe I can experiment with how these concepts apply to these other realms."

So what will happen is the soul will have an effect on the spirit and physical bodies, obviously. But obviously as long as our soul is expanding and growing, the spiritual and physical bodies, which are just appendages, things attached to our soul, they will expand and grow in ways that we have no imagination of at this point in time.

Mary: In the end they're designed to help us understand our soul. Ironically we keep trying to dominate our soul with them, which is pointless and futile. But if we viewed our physical and spiritual bodies as a way of understanding our soul better, through experience, then we'd get a lot further a lot quicker.

18.5. The importance of prayer

So what we wanted to do is just to show you the essential thing that happens when the soul receives Divine Love. That is, it's like a switch, like a key, that turns this soul into a completely different thing; not the thing that it was originally created to be, but now a part of Divinity has entered the soul, transforming it and giving it characteristics and qualities that it couldn't have without Divine Love entering. This is why it's so important to open yourself to receiving the Divine Love. That is why prayer is so important.

18.6. God respects our free will

Without prayer, you cannot receive it because without prayer you're basically going, "Don't open the door, don't open the door, don't open the door." And God says, "No worries, I won't open the door. I'm not going to open the door. I can't open the door - it's your door." That's the gift of free will that God has given you, the ability to make a choice for yourself what you want for your future. [01:11:01.03]

God's not going to force you into a decision. God doesn't come along and punish you because you're making that choice. Don't believe any religious thought that says somebody's going to come along and give you terrible lashings if you don't open your heart to God. No, God's not like that. God's patiently waiting and desirous of you to establish a relationship with God, but God's not ever going to punish you if you decide to not have one.

God is a loving being who does not punish people; God doesn't give us free will only to take it away. It's like this whole concept that is so prevalent in religion. For example, God gave us a penis or a vagina. I don't think there's any other apparatus other than those two in the groinal areas that we've come across. We call that male and female. God has given us those things, and you know what the religions tell you? That it's unholy to use them. What?! You're saying God created it, and then it's unholy to use it? Like that would be like giving you a gift and then taking it away from you and what purpose would there be in that? That wouldn't be a very loving thing. It would be a constant temptation to use it and this is why many priests, for example, who are celibate, have a struggle with their celibacy, because they weren't created to be celibate. They were given these organs to use in a way that's in harmony with God's Longing.

It's the same with your free will. God doesn't give you the gift of free will, and then say, "Oh I'm taking it away now. You've got to do what I want." There are so many people in religion saying, "You've got to do God's Will. Whatever is God's Will, I will do." What?! God doesn't give you a gift of free will and then say to you, "Now that I've given you that gift, you've got to give me it all." That's not a gift. God gives you the gift of free will and then allows you to use it however you wish.

Participant: Didn't God take away the gift of God's Love though originally?

Yeah but that's not a gift that's a part of the soul; that was a gift of God's Soul. It's different because that belonged to God. God can give and take away anything God wants at any time, that's a part of God. But God doesn't give you a gift that's a part of your soul and then take it away.

Mary: Or asks you to give it up.

There's a big difference between that. God is allowed to take away anything God wants from God's Soul, from your experience, because that's God's Choice. That's God's Will. But God doesn't give you the gift of free will, and make it a part of your soul, and then take it away from you. That's very different.

What we've got to do is stop thinking that God does these things. All of these things are gifts that God's given us, as you would expect a loving person would surely give them, if he had the power to do so.

18.7. Divine Love transforms our soul into a new creature (continued)

God's given us this beautiful ability, and this is the main point - the beautiful ability for the soul to grow beyond its original conception, beyond its original conceived design, and to have a new design. In fact God incorporated it as part of the design that when we receive Divine Love this soul has the ability to transform into something completely different, but only if it receives Divine Love. That's the only condition under which this transformation can take place. The only way we can do it is one way, and that's the way God designed for us to do it, by opening our heart to the reception of the Love. And it will change your entire existence. [01:15:18.23]

Mary: Can I tell you a daggy thought that I'm having? (Laughs)

What's your daggy thought?

Mary: It's just about the way we draw the soul changing, and I keep thinking about it as we're created tadpoles and then only when we ask for God's Love do we get the capacity to grow little legs and turn into frogs. (Laughter) So daggy! (Laughs) But I love frogs so it's a good thing! (Laughs)

Now you do, yeah. (Laughs) It's like being created a grub and then going through a metamorphous process. For example I don't know if you understand with the caterpillar, and I think we've talked about it before, but when the caterpillar is inside of its cocoon completely becomes fluid.

Mary: Dissolves.

It dissolves completely and then it re-establishes itself as a butterfly. And then as it breaks out of its cocoon it's now a butterfly. It's a complete metamorphosis process, and this is what's happening to the soul receiving Divine Love. It's a completely different kind of process and it's very important to understand that process.

Mary: It's about unlocking the potential for the different process, isn't it?

Yes.

Mary: Immediately that we receive the first bit of Divine Love, there's a change, if you like, in the structure. Now there's a new potential that's just been inherited in the soul.

So through the reception of Divine Love, it's like a key switching the soul into having the potential of different types of experiences that it never could have before it received Divine Love. This is the beauty of the rewards of the relationship with God. And that's what we need to understand.

19. Blockages to receiving God's Love

Participant: Are the blocks preventing us from feeling God's Soul different from the blocks allowing us to feel our own soul?

Frequently, yes. Usually the blocks that we have with God are very much associated with the blocks that we have towards the masculine or feminine external to us, not internal. However, we usually also have additional blockages relating to our own feelings of worth with God.

Now if you look at the construction of the prayer for Divine Love, which I shared with people in the first century, not the Lord's Prayer, the one that is in the Bible, but the actual prayer, if you examine its construction - and in the discussion of the message of Solomon on the Internet ("20130410 Padgett Messages - 19160420A Solomon"), we have examined its construction of the prayer, and we've gone through each aspect of the prayer to show you where our blockages are, and what part of the prayer focuses on specific blockages that are within our soul when it comes to the reception of Divine Love.

19.1. Treating our brothers and sisters out of harmony with God's Love

So the reality is we have attitudes towards God that block love, we even have attitudes towards our brothers and sisters that block God's Love from it flowing to us. Because you imagine if I treat you badly, Pete, can you see I'm treating another child of God badly? Now what do you think God's going to feel about that? Well God certainly is not going to be in harmony with that is He? That's not harmonious with what God's Longing would be, which would be for me to treat you as if you are a precious child of God, just like I am. [01:18:54.08]

Participant: That's natural love.

Well no, no it's actually a principle of Divine Love too. The reality is for me to be in harmony with God's Longing is for me to treat you as I would like you to treat me. That's actually also in harmony with God's Love. Now because it's in harmony with God's Love, if I act out of harmony with that principle in my day-to-day life, in other words I treat other people in a way where I expect different from them to what I give them, then I am completely out of harmony with receiving God's Love in that place. So I might have a longing for God's Love but it's not very sincere if I believe that I should get away with treating you badly while I'm receiving God's Love because God's not going to agree with that. So even the attitude we have towards other people is going to severely affect how our relationship with God pans out.

Participant: So if we've got blockages towards feeling our own soul, and we've got blockages to feeling God's Soul...

And we've got blockages to feeling other people's souls.

Participant: ... then how on Earth do we ever receive any Divine Love or get ourselves in a state where that longing is pure and sincere?

By having some faith that when you ask you will receive as long as it is in harmony with God's Longing.

Participant: Without having cleared the blockages?

Without having cleared the blockages, yes. And being aware that through that process all of your blockages will be exposed. The big problem that most people have is they are not willing to see their blockages and they are not willing to feel them. And as a result they will not receive Divine Love until they're willing to see them and feel them.

That's a problem you face, personally. A problem of how you treat other people, for example, is very different to how you expect they treat you. As a result of that, that severely affects your ability to receive Divine Love, and you don't want to acknowledge it. And as a result of not wanting to acknowledge it, that shuts it down and therefore Divine Love cannot be received.

Until you're willing to exercise your soul's choice to see that this is a problem, and to actually address it as a problem, nothing can change. And God's just there, going, "I love you, Pete. I love you, Pete. I'm just waiting for you to realise this about yourself. And when you realise this about yourself, My Love can flow into you again because at the moment you're just not treating My Other Children the way that I want you to treat them."

19.2. Finding the blockages within ourselves

This is something that we need to be aware of \- whenever there is a blockage of the flow, there is always a reason that is inside ourselves because from God's Perspective, God always wants to give it. Always.

It's very important for us to understand the blockages might be with God, they might be with others, they might be with ourselves. When we're starting we don't know where they are. All we need to do is have faith in God that we will receive God's Love and if we're not receiving it, have faith that we have something inside of us that's out of harmony with God's Longing. Have faith that God wants to show you what it is, and in fact usually what happens is God's beating you over the head with a rod, basically. (Laughs) That's what it feels like sometimes.

There are whole laws associated with the universe telling you what the block is, every single moment. There are people around you who will tell you what it is and we just go, "No, it's not that. No it's not that. No it's not that. No it's not that." That's our problem. The problem is that we're dismissing all of this stuff that's coming at us every single day. God has created a perfect universe showing us every single day what the problem with ourselves is and we are just blind to it. It's our choice to be blind that often shuts down this process of receiving Divine Love because the choice to be blind is not in harmony with God's Longing. God wants you to see everything. Whenever you choose to be blind to something, you're not in harmony with God's Longing anymore. [01:23:17.16]

20. Audience questions

20.1. Receiving Divine Love when the longing is sincere

Participant: It's interesting though that we can have all these blockages that prevent us from receiving Divine Love and yet other people, not understanding that they even have blockages, can go along and sing a song in church or see a lovely sunset and spontaneously receive the Divine Love.

Yeah, it's wonderful, isn't it?

Mary: Why does that happen?

Why is there anything wrong with that?

Participant: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I'm just saying it's interesting that those two conditions can exist at the same time. How is that?

Well I think it's quite obvious why that is. One person is having a real experience, the other person is having an imagined one. The person who's not receiving Divine Love when they're asking for it, imagines that they're asking. They're not.

This is the problem you face, personally. You imagine you're asking when you're not and sometimes when you're not asking you get it. (Laughs) When you're not imagining that you're asking, you actually have a soul longing and you get it in those places. You know when you go along and get the massages you've been getting, that's when you're often connecting. You have a longing under those circumstances so you finish up receiving some Divine Love. Then other times when you think you have a longing, you haven't really got a longing. You're angry with God, or annoyed with God's Laws, or angry with the way it all works and all those other feelings are there. You don't want to believe they're there, and so you tell yourself they're not there, and in that moment you're being fake with yourself and God. And God's going, "No, mate, you're being fake, you're being fake. You're being fake. That's not in harmony with My Longing. Be real! You're angry with me. Be angry with me. If you're upset with Me, be upset with Me. Show me what you really feel and then we'll get to the bottom of it together," that's really what God's saying.

20.2. An example of a participant repeatedly asking the same question

Participant: So when people are feeling or looking at the sunset or whatever ...

Mary: Pete... (Laughs)

See now you're being unloving again.

Mary: Can I stop you? You know this thing that AJ was telling you about, about not having love for your other brothers and sisters? I feel that this is an example.

You're doing it right now.

Mary: Where you get the mic and there's usually a series of three or four questions where you're sort reframing the same question because you're not satisfied with the answer that came to you.

Yep. Not only that you're hogging the microphone now, and that then means that other people can't ask their questions, which is an act of unlovingness towards other people. The key is to be reflective about that. What's driving that? What fear in you is driving this? Why is it that you can't reflect upon the answers given and you just keep on asking and asking and asking and asking without just reflecting? What I just gave you in that five minutes that I just mentioned my answer to you will change your life if you applied it, and yet you ask another question. You can spend the next year trying to apply what I just told you in five minutes and you would have no danger of trying to find something more. You could just focus on that and you would change your entire life in one year if you focus on that in the next whole year. [01:26:30.21]

Participant: I'll do that then.

Give it a go.

20.3. An example of a participant expressing more natural love

Participant: I had a really cool experience about a month or two ago. I've been like really cold towards people; just really angry towards people. I started noticing like how I was towards people and my treatment of other people. I know I've still got like a lot more repentance to go through but like I started to cry about how horrible I had been.

And it's really lovely now to be connecting with people and actually appreciating that, seeing how my interactions with people have changed since. I didn't even cry about it for that long but I feel like every day I'm reflecting a lot on like how I am closed off to people and how if I keep just going at it, every day ... like when I leave home, just seeing how I interact with people and then just praying about opening up more. It's really cool just to see how it can change, and how even if it is just natural love, how nice it is to feel...

It's not just natural love. When you're at-one with God you'll be like that all the time! (Laughs)

Participant: But... yeah. So it's been really cool.

Yeah and in fact see many of you say, "Ah, but it's just natural love." Hang on sec.

Mary: I'm like whoa! Natural love! That's good.

Love is always good, whether it's from your heart of from God's. And so whenever you say, "Oh but it's just natural love," natural love is extremely important in your development. If you do not engage the principles of natural love, in other words if you do not act lovingly coming from your own heart towards other people, you will be completely blocked towards God. Many of us have no idea how unloving we're being at times. No idea. We don't realise what frustrations and rages and other emotions we carry towards other people. Of course, part of God's Longing is that you treat every one of your brothers and sisters the way you would like to be treated. Most of us don't do that yet.

So when we do that, we'll be in complete harmony with Divine Love because natural love is in harmony with Divine Love. Yeah.

Participant: Yeah I just don't understand that fully yet.

Yeah. But it's fantastic that you embrace these principles and experiment with them. That's the key thing. Go out into your life and experiment with them. That's the beauty of it.

21. Experimenting with faith and prayer

It's probably time for us to finish, but what we would like to do is extend this conversation with you the next time we get together because we want to discuss more about the operation of prayer, what it actually does to the soul, how it opens the soul up and also how you can have faith in it as well as a process.

We would like to leave you with one thing, and that is to experiment with these two principles that we've been talking with you about this weekend. Experiment with the principle of faith, look at the areas where you do not have faith, make a list of the areas where you can see there is no faith in your life, and that might be - I've no faith in love and I have no faith that a relationship can last. What areas do you not have faith in that are out of harmony with God's Opinion on the matter, that you know intellectually? [01:30:28.11]

And the second thing we would like you to try to do is to experiment with prayer and every time you think you're praying and you're not receiving Divine Love, don't tell yourself that you tried, because you didn't. (Laughs) If you actually pray from your heart to receive Divine Love, you will always receive it if the prayer you have is in harmony with God's Longing, and the prayer for Divine Love is always in harmony with God's Longing. It doesn't matter what your condition, praying for Divine Love is always in harmony with what God's Longing is. God longs to give you Her Love. So when you pray for Her Love with an open heart, it's always in harmony with God's Longing.

If you're not receiving this Love the only thing can be something inside of yourself. So don't tell yourself that it's something outside of you, or God's fault or something else, look at and say, okay there's something wrong with my longing. Experiment with your longing. This is what I'm suggesting. Experiment with it. Don't just go, "Oh, long, long, long. No didn't get anything. Oh well, that doesn't work." Don't assume that. Assume instead that if I'm longing and it doesn't work then I mustn't be longing the way God wants me to long for God's Love. I need to find the way God wants me to do it.

22. Closing words

Anyway we'd like to thank you for time today, guys, and hopefully you've enjoyed the subject of faith and prayer. We look forward to catching up with you again and we also have enjoyed your company this weekend.

Mary: Yeah, definitely.

It's been a pleasure speaking with you, particularly today.

Mary: And just a reminder that if you want further detail on this topic that we've been covering, there'll be a clip on YouTube coming up next week which is a Padgett message discussion from Solomon about - what is the greatest truth in all the world? ("20130410 Padgett Messages - 19160420A Solomon")

Yeah it's under the downloads page, under Padgett messages, you'll see it there as an audio and video.

Participant: Thank you.

Pleasure guys. (Applause) Thank you. (Applause)

Can we also say that we love what some of you are starting to do with your lives? You're starting to engage your passions with a passion without having to refer to us at all, and we find that fantastic! This is what God would like to see you do, just do what you want to do and follow it with passion and in harmony with God's Laws of Love. Some of you going to be surprised by what gets created worldwide as a result of some of you engaging your passions in these manners.

So we're really looking forward to seeing how your lives change over the coming years and we feel that if you can engage the principles that we've talked about this weekend, there is going to be so many changes that happen that you won't yourself be able to even keep up with them. That will be an amazing process for anyone who surrounds you and also for yourself individually. So we're just looking forward to seeing the transformation effect of your soul that Divine Love is going to have, and also looking forward to seeing your true, real personalities; the ones that God created you to be, rather than the bits that you think you should be. We're looking forward to seeing those too.

So we'd just like to encourage you about following your paths on those particular issues and focusing on these principles that we've taught in the weekend.

Thanks for your time, guys. (Applause)

