well congressman Paul Ryan former vice
presidential candidate with Mitt Romney
has said that the reason people
are by the way welcome act the same our
part in the reason people are
poor is because the anti-poverty
programs
a a doesn't have anything to do with the
trade policies that allow corporations
to ship jobs overseas doesn't mean they
do a tax policies that allows
the top a one-percent to have mind up by
either you know that allows
dole 100 richest exiting the 400 richest
people in the in the United States there
are more wet tile own more wealth than
ap of all other americans the the
5 Walton there's no more wealth than a
third of all Americans
got nothing to do with any of that stuff
no
its as Paul Ryan said this top-down
big-government approach that the
president has taken
I think the evidence is very clear has
proven not to help people out of poverty
but more importantly to trap people
in poverty he wants to have a work
requirement with food stamps
it's called the Sutherland amendment
according the CBPP would allow states to
end benefits for most
adults who receive or apply for SNAP
Supplemental Nutrition appropriate
stance
including parents with young children
and people with disabilities
if they are not working or participate
in a worker training program
for at least 20 hours a week the memo
provides no jobs
and no funds for worker training
programs and it does not require states
to make work opportunities available
people wanting to work who are looking
for a job but haven't found one would be
cut off
from food stamps great this is Paul
Ryan's idea of what will save America
after Carol Swain is on the line with us
she's not attorney an author and
professor of law at Vanderbilt
University her website carol swain
swai and dotnet doctor swain welcome
back to the program
it's my pleasure and I'm a professor of
political science and it'll all
with political science been my main
field okay thank you for the
clarification
so we you know I know that you lean
republican as it were your take on Paul
Ryan's take on
its food stamps that makes people poor
well and we both know that it's a little
bit more complicated than that
I can agree with him that the
policies up there Obama administration
they certainly have not improved
conditions in the black community
and I could get into a lot of the issues
that I think
kept to keep people poor and one is the
fact that we do
I encourage the migration of people from
poor countries
and now I'm that we have people that are
here
that they can work three jobs and still
be poor
yes but can you identify one
even policy that President Obama
proposed
that congresses past has been made into
law that is keeping people in poverty
well I can't hear you there um when we
head
I'm employment benefits extending fun I
mean I'm weeks are
Orton cases may be on I think it created
a disincentive for some people to find
jobs
and I know from my own personal
experiences and Bopanna relative
the day after the unemployment benefits
ended but then a couple days that person
was employed
but at the time that the unemployment
benefits
ended the unemployment office itself
you know provided all the information
about food stamps
and that was a big push to get this
personal food stamps
even though they were in a situation
that they actually didn't need food
stamps
so what would happen at home they have
plenty of food sure
so warm way plan and I
you know I get it that there are going
to be people who abuse the system and
they're going to people you know there
are going to be free riders it's it's
problems intrinsic crisis prescription
is that it does that mean we should
throw out the whole system
now the problem with his prescription is
there's really doesn't take into
consideration
the people there actually do need some
assistance
in and some other people that are
working to pay their rent
for and that they have to make a choice
between buying food are paying their
rent and
met something that there is a segment
other republican republican
our community that doesn't quite get it
because they've never been there
yeah yeah so what is
I mean yeah I think we pretty much know
what the what the
what the progressive solutions are you
let's change our trade policy's let's
let's
changer taxation policies what's raise
the minimum wage let's make sure
everybody has a basic
more let's bring in more poor people
that see a
progressive solution well let's legalize
the poor people who are here
and which will cause their wages to go
up which and and will
this stop the the kinda grey market
economy where
where they could be exploited Budget
Office figures
data you know I and church the report
that they put out
included the fact that if the amnesty
bill
is passed that unemployment were rats
and we know the group said its gonna
rats on its gonna be african-americans
were already
over-represented among the unemployed
and it also said that the wages that the
average american
and thats working people and people
maybe some other people that watch your
show
will go Damn and so that's not gonna
help us there are a lot of people there
why the question we ask Allah middle
class but they still poor
Picasa these cancel policies a sandwich
while get america's we're not investing
in a human
capital I don't disagree with you I
wouldn't I would love to see
you know college in trades trade schools
the absolutely free for everybody
used to be that you could get a decent
job to raise a family with a high school
diploma
back you know hundred years ago you
could get a decent job to raise a family
with an eighth-grade diploma
and so we used to pay an eighth-grade
and you know I was twelfth grade now
it's
you know 12 great plus for and I think
that we should be covering that
but or that nitrates corporate wealth
great post to or whatever it takes
but I are you
are you suggesting that we should keep
everything static I mean 0 CPO figures
assume that there's no change in trade
policy
assume that there's no expansion I love
I infrastructure other
you know any any kind of you know let's
not do anything in america wishes follow
the Republican path
and and not grow this country we have if
we have a choice between
a between the old a legalizing the
people who are here
and such and yes I don't disagree with
you actually
you know where you're expanding your
labor force and actually
probably before that but in any case
you're spending your labor force that is
gonna drop wages
but there are a lot of things we can do
to compensate for that we could bring
these jobs we can bring jobs back home
as a starting point what's wrong with
Matt done it and I don't see the the
incentive and what we haven't done
because republicans are fighting it
I'm refreshed I'm frustrated with both
political parties and when you get up
close together
there's not that much difference
especially in the senate and so I don't
see
um that either political party is really
proposed in solutions that's going to
happen when Nancy Pelosi actually passed
a bill on the House of Representatives
sent it to the Senate that would that
would do away with the
with the tax advantage that companies
get
by moving work offshore by keeping their
money off shorts this though is the scam
that Apple's running on us
and then it woulda done away with that
and there was but there were enough
democrats not in the Senate to vote for
it but the republicans filibustered
well one other things that we need is up
is for the
population to be more educated by the
choices before them
and again I think both political parties
come up short
so what's your alternative well that for
solutions
have my alternative is to head is yet to
educate the public
and to get more people involved a great
man how do we do that like the worst
time
to be legalizing people that
undocumented
under the cap under the play and that I
have seen proposed
because it's just gone expand the proper
the are
roles in america well you don't have it
over a 13-year history what the people
that we already have yeah and and not
like I said I don't i really disagree
with that argument
and in fact I've been making that
argument for a lot years but
that's sad there is so much that we can
do that Republicans are refusing to do
well I don't agree with Paul Ryan and
I'm not a Paul Rand supporter
so yeah I came just and what he say it
or
a lot to come from the republican party
yeah
okay girls can I wish I could but I K
okay
I am frankly there's a lot of the
democratic party i cant defense so
make it was born the same boat doctor
carol swain attorney author and
professor political science
in like Vanderbilt University website
Carol Alma
swain am a swai and dotnet
thank you to explain thank you
this is the Thom Hartmann program
sOooo who what is the republican
solution I'm still searching just like
I'm trying to figure out why the
republicans for the stars upside down
the flag
