

### Frequently Asked Questions:

### Divine Truth

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### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### & Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck)

### Session 3

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### This ebook is a collection of answers given by Jesus (AJ Miller) on the topic of God's Truth (Divine Truth). The answers were given in an interview with Mary Magdalene (Mary Luck), who posed frequently asked questions from members of the media and public, on 5th September 2013 in Kentucky, New South Wales, Australia. In this session Mary questions Jesus about providing more detail about some of the specific "qualities" or "attributes" of God's Truth, and how the examination of these qualities can be applied practically in our personal daily lives. Qualities eight, nine, and ten, that Jesus mentioned in the last question of the first session on the subject, are discussed in far more detail in this session. Jesus has much more to say about the subject, but is here providing an introduction to each "quality" or "attribute".

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Table of Contents

0. Introductory comments

1. Quality eight: What do you mean when you say, "Divine Truth results in a fearless existence"?

2. Regarding quality eight, what does a soul based understanding regarding Divine Truth results in a fearless existence actually look like in my personal life?

3. Quality nine: What do you mean when you say Divine Truth does not hurt anyone or anything?

4. Regarding quality nine, what does a soul-based understanding that "Divine Truth does not hurt anyone or anything" look like in my personal life?

5. Quality ten: What do you mean when you say Divine Truth does not allow the lie, no matter what the price?

6. Regarding quality ten, what does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth does not allow the lie, no matter what the price", look like in my personal life?

0. Introductory comments

Well this is the third session of our Divine Truth frequently asked question series and in this session we are going to cover a lot more information that we've been covering over the last two sessions as well. Remember in the first session we covered the basics about Divine Truth, what it is and the fact that it's God's Truth, and also we covered some basic questions about Divine Truth itself in comparison to facing personal truth.

In the session after that we also discussed the first seven qualities of Divine Truth. In the first session we introduced those qualities and in then in the second session we discussed the first seven qualities in two facets. The first facet was what is the quality or attribute of Divine Truth and then what it looks like in our personal life if we really feel it.

In this particular session we are going to cover the next seven questions about Divine Truth, so they are qualities from eight to fourteen, that we first introduced in the first session. We're going to look at the two facets again of these seven qualities in that we're going to look at what the quality is and also what the expression of it looks like if we feel it in our day-to-day lives. So they are the primary things we are going to do in this session.

Thanks for your time in joining myself and Mary, myself and Mary are going to be doing this and we're down in New South Wales at the moment so it's a different backdrop as you can see, (laughs) and hopefully we'll cover the fourteen questions that we want to cover today. Thanks, darling.

1. Quality eight: What do you mean when you say, "Divine Truth results in a fearless existence"?

Well because Divine Truth is God's Truth, obviously it exposes anything that's false in the Universe. Anything that is false creates fear, so every time we believe something that's false we actually finish up having fear surrounding that particular thing. That applies whether the thing is material in its nature, so it's a false belief about the Universe itself; or whether it's spiritual in its nature, in other words a false belief about our spiritual existence; or whether it's emotional in its nature, in other words a false belief about our emotions.

So all of these false beliefs create fear and Divine Truth exposes fear; in other words it reduces fear. In fact once we understand all of God's Truths on any subject, we have no fear at all left on that particular subject. In addition when we've become at-one with God we've got rid of fear. Once we get rid of fear we are open to accepting new truth without fear being the primary influence upon our acceptance of new truth. In other words, we are now no longer preventing the absorption of the truth of the Universe from entering us.

When we're afraid we're always trying to prevent or resist the absorption of truth, whereas when we have no fear at all any more, we no longer prevent the absorption of new truth, we're no longer afraid of change, we're no longer afraid of having to accept a new belief that is contrary to our old belief. So we no longer hold on to fear-based beliefs, but we also, because Divine Truth results in a fearless existence, no longer prevent the absorption of new truths through our fear.

So that's one of the primary effects of Divine Truth and it's one of the qualities of Divine Truth. So if we had a look at how that would look like in terms of general actions, we would see that if we truly understood something as God understands it, we would no longer have any fear associated with the subject; we would only have the truth on the subject and so therefore we would know everything we need to know about it.

Now if we give an example, when flight was first considered by humankind they had a lot of fear associated with flight. You could fall from a great height and therefore die and there were no seeming ways of protecting oneself from fall. So therefore there was no seeming protection against the fall. And because we had all these fears associated with it, we were also very resistive to discovering new facts about flight.

Once mankind started to get over these fears, or we had a few brave people on the planet who were willing to try to find out new truth - even though they had that fear-what eventually happened was that we discovered the laws about flight, which are now called the Laws of Aerodynamics, or laws that control the ability to have heavier than air flight. Once those laws were discovered there was less fear and once those laws were engaged in a way that we knew that they worked in a certain manner, then there was very little to no fear at all.

So if you look at what we do now, the majority of us, particularly in the Western world, fly overseas or inside of our countries all the time without giving any consideration to it aside from jumping in a bus-it's just a bus that flies. We don't have any worry about falling to the Earth, very little concern about it happening because we have a lot of confidence in the law. And we have the right to have a lot of confidence in the law because as long as we engage the law in a perfect manner we will be completely safe.

So this is an example of how Divine Truth results in a more fearless existence. So when we first began the discovery of flight there was a lot of fear associated with it and only a few brave people would engage it. Now that we know most of the laws involved with flight, with heavier than air transportation, we now engage the laws almost on a daily basis without any fear at all. That's an example of how Divine Truth results in a fearless existence; that's a physical example.

If we look at an example regarding our spirit existence, if there is a spiritual teaching that results in more fear internally then it means that it can't be Divine Truth, because Divine Truth would result in a less fearful existence from a spiritual perspective. So we need to understand that anything that we believe in spiritually that seems to create more fear or exacerbate that fear we already feel, is obviously not harmonious with love as well, as we've already discussed, then we could no longer really accept it as a potential Truth of God-it might be mankind's ideas of what actually occurs, but it wouldn't be a potential Truth of God while there's so much fear associated with it.

**Mary:** I think that's a really interesting point because common society often associates God with fear; we even have the phrase "God fearing"-I'm a good God fearing person.

"I'm a good God fearing person," exactly.

**Mary:** And really what you're saying that it's only falsehood that creates fear.

Exactly.

**Mary:** So if anything in our spiritual lives is controlling us through fear then we can basically say, "This is not a truth."

Exactly. So the whole concept that we should fear God is not a truth. God does not want us to fear God-God wants to be able to have a love-based relationship and fear and love are almost like opposites; they cannot exist in the same space at the same time. When we're afraid of something we certainly cannot love it and so if we are afraid of God then we certainly cannot love God and certainly also would block the reception of God's Love into our own soul as well, as a result of our fear of God.

In addition the fear is not based on truth, so God's Love cannot flow into us while we have an untruth in us or an a belief that's untrue in us about God Herself. To have the Love flow, we must release the fear-based position, by experiencing it and releasing it, so that we get to the truth-based position, which is there is no fear in love and therefore there is no fear of God as a result. So any teaching that causes us to believe that we should fear God is already out of harmony with the reality of God's Nature.

In addition we can see that there are many false beliefs on the planet spiritually from a religious perspective that are completely out of harmony with Divine Truth, if you just examined them from the point of view of fear. So the whole hellfire, torment teaching doctrine that exists in Christianity and in other religious faiths, while it sounds good, or it sounds like the wicked will be punished in a certain way, and that might sound good to somebody who thinks they are righteous, the reality is it's a fear-based perception of the Universe and therefore it cannot be the reality of the Universe. It has to be related to a false belief, because Divine Truth results in a fearless existence. Once we know the truth about the entire spiritual existence, including the spiritual dimensions, we wouldn't be worried about a hellfire in which we could be tormented forever and ever and ever, without any letup.

The same goes with the belief that there is some kind of deviant mastermind of the Universe, a Satan, the devil if you want to call it. Again it's a very fear-based belief and any person who is steeped in that belief is often steeped in the fear that the belief creates. As a result it's not in harmony with Divine Truth; it's a fear-based belief and so therefore it cannot be the truth. This is one of the qualities of Divine Truth-it cannot be God's Truth if it is a fear-based belief.

So just this one aspect of seeing something as a fear-based belief can help throw away lots and lots of false doctrines for a start. It can help us throw away lots of false concepts about God, it can also let us throw away lots of false concepts about ourselves, our future existence, our future life and also about our physical existence. So in terms of how we see the material world, it helps us throw away a lot of false concepts about the material world.

So we are no longer afraid of spiders when we're in harmony with Divine Truth, we are no longer afraid of snakes when we're in harmony with Divine Truth. There are all these physical things that we're no longer afraid of, because we now have a correct understanding of all of these things. We understand how the physical universe interacts with us when we're in harmony with Divine Truth, when we know God's Truth about the matter. So these are all benefits of understanding this one quality of Divine Truth that the Divine Truth results in a fearless existence.

**Mary:** When you started talking about this quality you said that Divine Truth often exposes fear, but then you're also talking about the fact that when we embrace it we don't have any. We also discussed the fact that if a belief controls us through fear then it can't be truth. So could you just maybe outline a little bit the difference between exposing a fear or having a fear control us, because I know for some people they might hear some elements of Divine Truth and initially it might bring up some fear for them. So how is that different to say the belief in reincarnation and karma, or something that makes me feel afraid, of oh you know, "I've got to watch what I'm going to do because otherwise I'll come back as a bug," that kind of thing. (Laughs)

Yes. So if we look at what Divine Truth does and we look at what fear does, perhaps what we need to do is define what fear does. Fears are false beliefs that appear real to us, they look real, but they are not real from God's perspective. But they look real to us individually or collectively because of our personal experience. So we have imbibed them as an emotion, we have an emotion of fear that relates to that particular thing. Now many times we suppress that fear, we deny its existence, we actually say to ourselves it's normal to have that fear.

**Mary:** It's justified.

And we justify it; we minimize it and so forth because we believe it's normal to have a fear.

The average person in Australia \- which has the ten most poisonous snakes in the world-is afraid of snakes and they feel justified by that position because we have snakes here that can kill you in two minutes if they bite you. That's the fear-based position; that's not necessarily a truth though. Once the Divine Truth enters us about that particular subject we'll start to understand the relationship with the snake and it's reaction to the human condition. Therefore we would no longer be afraid. We'd even understand the reaction of the so-called toxin or poison to the human condition, so if we were ever bitten, we would understand the reaction of the toxin or poison to the human condition and in fact we can get to the point where those kind of things no longer harm us, once we've worked through our fears about certain things.

Now once we understand all that information we are no longer constrained by our fear of snakes. So that's from a purely physical perspective. We will walk everywhere we want barefoot, whatever we want to do and we're not worried that some kind of snake is going to sneak out of the bush and bite us and we'll die two minutes later or anything like that, because we are no longer constrained by the fear itself.

The fear itself is what creates the actual event in most cases, and that's a law in fact. Fear has to create events in order to trigger itself, in order to cause the release of fear within ourselves. So once we understand that particular law from a physical perspective we would no longer from an emotional feeling perspective. So this has to be an emotional process - it can't be a physical one; from an emotional perspective we'd no longer be afraid of snakes. If a snake all of a sudden crawled over us we wouldn't jump up and down and scream and do all the things we might normally do, or what happens a lot here in Australia is the man runs out with a spade or an axe or something trying to chop it's head off or something in order to protect his family or whatever. (Smiles)

Now those kinds of events wouldn't happen anymore once we have a complete understanding of God's Truth on the matter. God doesn't get afraid of any of God's creations and if we're at-one with God and at-one with God in truth we would no longer be afraid of any of God's creations either. So that's how it affects us from a physical perspective.

From an emotional perspective it should affect us as well; fear is "false emotions appearing real"; in other words things that we feel we should feel that actually have no semblance to reality.

So for example, most people on Earth are afraid of dying. Now everyone of us is faced with death at some point in our future, it's a normal occurrence of human life. If we knew the full truth about death, none of us would be afraid of dying, we wouldn't feel the emotion of fear about dying. However because we do not know all of God's Truths about the matter, we become afraid of death, we become afraid of dying.

**Mary:** And it controls our us this fear ...

And it controls our choices, decisions and many other things in our life. In fact it is a trigger for many wars even-the fact that one group of people is afraid of dying is a trigger for many wars. The attack and also the defence of country for example is often triggered by this fear of death and what's going to happen when we die. The feeling of a loss of life and the feeling of a loss of what we want to enjoy.

Now if we were completely in harmony with Divine Truth, and Divine Truth encourages the fearless existence, we would not be afraid of dying, because we would know all the truth about dying. It's not that we're trying to no longer be afraid of death, it's because we know the truth about death that we're no longer afraid. We don't just know it in our mind as a lot of people claim to, but they are still very afraid; you know it in your feelings, you know it in your emotions, so you know it in your heart. That's why you're not afraid anymore about death.

Let's look at it from a spiritual perspective now. We've looked at it physically, emotionally, let's look at it from a spirit perspective. If we look at spirituality as mostly reflecting our relationship with God, then we would no longer be afraid of God and we'd no longer be afraid of God's Laws, we'd no longer be afraid of God's Universe; we'd have a strong desire to experience the Universe and discover it rather than stepping back from the Universe and trying to maintain our own little safe place rather than going out into the world.

So when we become truly spiritually oriented from God's perspective we no longer form clans or family systems, or cultures or nations, because we believe we are all one with each other. So we're no longer guided by those things, and we now have the same amount of love for a stranger as we do for our own child even. As a result our actions change quite significantly. This is an indication that our spiritual beliefs are now coming into more harmony with Divine Truth.

So God's Truth means that we will not be afraid whenever we consider anything - physically, scientifically, mathematically, spiritually, with music, art, science - any of these other areas of investigation. We will no longer have fear in us once we're truly in harmony with Divine Truth. Or if we still have fear within us, we will no longer be governed by the fear that's in us. We'll recognise the need to release it and we'll recognise the fact that the fear exists because we have some false belief that exists on that particular subject, but not because it's true, not because it's real because from God's perspective. Once we are in harmony with God's Truth we will no longer have any fear on any subject so therefore no fear is real after that point.

**Mary:** So the interesting thing to me from what your saying is, you're saying that often, when we're out of harmony with God's Truth, fear is dictating our existence. Then when we open ourselves to the fact that if fear is dictating our existence then we don't know the truth, then we can immediately engage a process where we say, "Okay, what I'm believing in can't be true because it's allowing fear to control me."

Not only that, what I believe can't be true because I'm afraid.

**Mary:** Yes.

And my belief is governed by my intellect; if I'm afraid emotionally then it means that my belief emotionally is very different to what I think it is. So it's very much aligned with the emotional experience of the individual, not the intellectual experience of the individual.

So there are a lot of people who believe they don't have a fear in their mind, but you put them in the situation and bang their fear is automatically present. What I'm suggesting is their fear will not be present in that situation any more once they understand God's Truth about it.

**Mary:** And that's a process, you're saying. There's a process we can go through where we say, "Okay, emotionally I'm still afraid, but I know that there's a false belief creating this fear otherwise I wouldn't be afraid. So I can now start to engage a process of desiring God's Truth and this might be how my fears are exposed and released."

Yes.

**Mary:** Great.

In fact it's the only way by which your fears can be exposed and released. As we'll find out there's another quality of Divine Truth later that talks about emotion and that's involved in terms of how you can correct the problem. But we must understand that fear is an emotion, it's a feeling, it's not something we're going to intellectually be able to avoid. When we're placed in situations, the instant we're in the situation we will feel it unless there is a different belief in our soul, that creates a different state within the individual.

So the beautiful thing about this quality of Divine Truth is it's exposing to us all of our false beliefs, whether they are religious, scientific, physical, emotional or spiritual; it exposes all of our false beliefs, because once we understand that we wouldn't have fear if we understood the truth - God's Truth on a certain subject \- then we understand every time I feel the feeling of fear or I deny the feeling of fear I cannot be in harmony with God's Truth on the subject. This gives me the option now of being able to correct that problem rather than just live in it.

You see most of us justify that position and live in it, every single day. In fact and we see it happening all around us all the time. Even most people who still come to our seminars still justify the position of living in fear on a large variety of subjects, and this is an indication that this quality of Divine Truth is not understood at the soul level by them. Once it's understood at the soul level they'll no longer allow fear to dictate what happens in their life. They might still have some, but they won't allow it to dictate what happens in their life. They'll understand that every time they have a fear it stops them from accepting God's Truth, it stops them from understanding universal truth. Whether they think they know the universal truth or not, it is stopping them from emotionally feeling that universal truth as a presence in their life.

**Mary:** Great. So maybe we should move on to the second question, but there's just something you had here in the notes and you touched on it briefly when you said that, "Accepting God's Truth actually opens us to more truth." And something you've written here in the notes says that, "If a teaching prevents us seeking more truth, then that teaching is not in harmony with Divine Truth."

Yes, so let's say we have a scientific principle that prevents us from examining more truth for some reason, then that scientific principle could not be in harmony with God's Truth. It's not scientific in fact; it has to be based on some kind of emotional experience. If we have an emotional belief that stops us from examining or feeling more Divine Truth then that's an indication that that emotional belief must be in error; it's got to be out of harmony with God's Truth.

If we have a spiritual belief that stops us from examining more truth, just a simple belief that the Bible is God's Word and there's nothing beyond the Bible, that's what I would classify as a fear-based belief, because it stops us from finding out more truth. It's basically saying to us that all the truth of God of the whole Universe is stored within the Bible and if you go beyond that you're going to get punished and you'll go to hell, and you'll have all these bad things happen to you. None of it is true, as is daily demonstrated to us by anybody who doesn't believe in the Bible. The fact is that they don't have all those things that are threatened happening to them at that moment or even after they die and so therefore it is untrue. But it is a belief that is stopping us from accepting more truth and therefore it can be thrown out, it can be discarded because all Divine Truth is fearless. It isn't governed by any fear; it doesn't cause us to get into any fear.

**Mary:** So when a truth, or when we ourselves are fearless we're always seeking and expanding and exploring.

Always, and we know because God's Truth is infinite, which is the first quality we discussed. We know we're always going to be discovering new stuff, so we wouldn't be preventing ourselves from discovering new stuff by having or holding onto a belief system that prevents us from discovering new things. And we wouldn't be worried about whether it's in harmony or out of harmony with God's Truth, we would soon discover it because we know, we are not afraid of being in or out of harmony. We'd just discover it.

Once we discover it then we'll bring our lives into harmony with it, just like discovering something physical, like discovering the Law of Aerodynamics. Once we discovered that we decided to bring our life into harmony with that as a desire. We didn't go, "Oh I'm afraid of that." We weren't dragged kicking and screaming. Can you imagine us in an airport being dragged kicking and screaming to be sat in a seat and being strapped down? And then we go like this (AJ imitates terror) the whole time.

**Mary:** There probably is a small percentage of the population that ...

Possibly, but the reality is that people who do that probably wouldn't fly. Most of us fly because we desire to-it's easier than travelling any other way for long distances. So we do it and we choose to do it because that's our desire. This is the beauty of a fearless existence, is we finish up choosing to do things that we were previously afraid of, once we understand God's Truth.

**Mary:** You know what I find really fascinating is that the scientific community is often more open to this process of a fearless experimentation than many people in spiritual pursuits. Often science and spirituality or science and religion are pitted against each other when actually they could really learn about ...

Well I feel religion could learn a lot from science and from scientific endeavour and from scientists themselves just in terms of their attitude, because the attitude of most religious faiths is, "Don't go looking for anything more, God might be against it, you might be punished in your future after you die. Something bad might happen." That's the general attitude of most people in spiritual circles, or religious circles of all kinds. Yet the scientific attitude is, "Yes we want to know more about the Universe, it's always benefited man by knowing more about the Universe."

**Mary:** And if we make a mistake we'll just try something new.

Well we'll just try another experiment if we make a mistake. And these are the attitudes God wants to encourage us to have, but which most religious faiths deny that God wants to encourage us to have, and most religious faiths are in heavy fear of in fact. Hence they constantly criticize any advance in scientific knowledge. Whereas when we're in harmony with God's Truth on the matter we're not afraid of advances in scientific knowledge, we welcome them, because it just means that we're going to have to change on a concept or a belief that we have to bring it into harmony with the scientific knowledge we've discovered. So we're not afraid of that.

And we're not afraid of some kind of future events. So this is like the laws of reincarnation for example which people have, which are not laws at all-they're just theories; most of them are fear-based because they are causing people to be afraid of what will happen in their future at some point because of what they do now and what they've done in the past.

There is a Law of Compensation, there is this idea of penalties that we'll see and examine as a Divine Truth, but it's not driven by a fear of the future. It happens in the instant, it happens right now, the instant you break a law, a Truth of God, the instant there's a consequence. You jump off a building and the instant you do that, pretty soon thereafter you've got the response and we're not afraid of that. We know that there is this co-relation between the law, or the truth, and the results of the truth. A person who's living in harmony with this principle would have no fear whatsoever about that process.

**Mary:** Because it's designed to help us learn more truth.

Yes the whole lot is designed to help us live more truth, learn more truth, live in harmony with more love, learn more love, learn how to look after our personal existence, learn self-responsibility. There are so many things that it's designed to do. God's Laws are all designed to help us become more personally responsible in our lives and so why would we be afraid of that? We'd want that if we were truly open to God's Truth and truly open to this particular quality of Divine Truth.

**Mary:** Okay, thank you.

2. Regarding quality eight, what does a soul based understanding regarding Divine Truth results in a fearless existence actually look like in my personal life?

Well if I am not afraid of anything obviously there would be very, very large changes to my choices and actions in my personal life.

From a physical perspective I won't be afraid about discovering new truths about the Universe. So collectively or individually we would no longer be stopping the discovery process. We would no longer be stopping the process of making mistakes and then correcting ourselves based on the measurements we made through making mistakes. We would no longer be afraid of mistakes, from a collective or individual perspective.

So there are many external and internal changes that would occur if mankind understood this particular quality of Divine Truth at the soul level. We would no longer approve of, or accept religious thought that was based around fear, either fear of discovery of new truths of the Universe from a physical perspective, or fear of God, or fear of doctrinal errors.

We would not be afraid of such things; we would be allowing ourselves to discover new facts about the Universe and our presence in it and new facts about God and everything God has created. We'd be constantly involved in the discovery of new facts; we wouldn't prevent it, we wouldn't use resistance or fear or violence or any other thing to prevent the discovery of new truth. We would always want to discover new truth; we would have an attitude of wanting to discover new truth.

We wouldn't be trying to prevent others from discovering new truth just because we don't believe it at this point in time. We would allow them to go through the process of discovery of new truth, because there's nothing to be afraid of. We would also not be afraid of throwing away false beliefs; we would in fact love the fact that we can throw away a false belief, that's one more damaging, controlling thing that we can get rid of. It is one more thing out of our life that we can allow ourselves to get rid of out of our life in such a way that it no longer determines what we choose to do with our life.

So there are so many positive actions both collectively and individually that would be the result if we truly understood this quality of: Divine Truth results in a fearless existence.

So if we look at it in four primary areas, we've got the physical area. Divine Truth results in us not having any more physical fears if we engage the truth about those particular things from an emotional perspective. From an emotional perspective, Divine Truth would result that we no longer are terrified emotionally about all sorts of experiences. You know we're no longer afraid when our loved one dies that we're not going to be able to grieve. In fact we'll get to the point where we won't even grieve because we know they're still alive because we understand the Divine Truth about that particular subject. So our emotions will become a lot more settled and calm as a result of understanding this particular truth.

In addition from a spiritual perspective our belief systems of God, and the Universe that we live in, are going to substantially change. We won't believe the Universe is against us, or God is against us, or that God wants to punish us all the time, nor will we feel guilt about our past behaviour. We will desire to change past unloving behaviour, but we won't feel this terrible guilt that just nags on us and nags on us, that we never release, because we realize that's also based around a fear.

From a scientific perspective we will always be absorbing new truth, so we would not discount any scientific evidence just because we have a certain religious belief; we wouldn't do that. If there were mathematical evidence that was presented to us about a certain truth, we wouldn't discount it, just because we have a different belief system.

When it comes to personally there's going to be huge changes too, we won't be afraid of our emotions, we won't try to control others or their emotions because usually when we do that we're trying to control how we will feel as a result. We won't try to impact upon people we love all the time, trying to boss them around or tell them what to do because we understand that God's Universe is a very safe place actually, much safer than what we've made it. Mankind is the most dangerous creature in God's Universe and the reason why we're the most dangerous is because we continue to use our will out of harmony with love and that's what makes us the most dangerous creature in the Universe currently. It doesn't need to be that way and we understand that once we understand that fear is the cause of most of our beliefs about danger.

We no longer are constrained by physical limitations anymore because we have an expansive view of the Universe. We're no longer afraid to imagine, we're no longer afraid to discover, afraid to make mistakes, afraid to experiment - none of those things would happen anymore. We're no longer afraid of leaving a book that defines a religious viewpoint, when it's blatantly obvious that such a book cannot be all of God's Truth. We're no longer afraid of leaving it - we just leave it because it's easy to leave. We understand that there are certain truths in it and false things in these books, and we accept the truths and at the same time do not accept all of it as truth and we're not afraid of doing that. We're not afraid that some God is going to come along and punish us for doing that, we're not afraid that some person is going to come along and punish us although that's much more highly likely than God doing it.

As is said humanity is the most dangerous creature on Earth. That's a potential, but even then we're not afraid of that because we understand God's Truth about it - the fact that eternal existence is going to have a huge impact on our future choices and decisions. So there are all these areas that it's going to positively affect us, if we truly feel it, but we have to feel it before it has any positive experience.

**Mary:** Yes. Can I run through a few examples that you've touched on, but some of them really speak to me being on the other side of this truth, not that I've perfected it, but I see myself in a lot of these.

Sure.

**Mary:** So when we have a soul-based understanding that Divine Truth results in a fearless existence, we live in a completely fearless state; we don't allow fear to dictate how we live our life, even planning and any control of any kind is fear-based. I don't try to plan my life to control my emotions or my environment.

This is a big thing. I feel that what happens with most people is, particularly in the Western world, we have the ability through a larger degree of wealth - which often we've stolen from others in terms of "rape other countries" to obtain - we have this ability to control the comfort levels that we experience in our personal life. The problem with control of the comfort level that we experience in our personal life is that it's based around fear - we're just trying to avoid certain experiences.

If we were truly in harmony with God and in harmony with this principle of Divine Truth - that Divine Truth results in a fearless existence - we wouldn't make decisions to improve our comfort in order to avoid something. We would make decisions to improve our comfort because we love ourselves, or love somebody else. We would never make a decision to improve our personal comfort while destroying the personal comfort of another, because all of those actions would actually be out of harmony with love. Therefore we would never take those decisions. Also my choice to harm you in order to get something for myself is driven by a fear that I don't have enough myself or that there's not enough to go around and these are not truths. The reality is God's created an abundant Universe and if we understood that we would have far less fear. So there are some major areas that would affect our life there.

**Mary:** Yes and I agree that most of us in the West are very accustomed to having large amounts of control over our environment and day-to-day lives, but often that control has been done to avoid certain sets of emotions. Often we see when people have children for example, or some set of events occurs where suddenly they can't have quite as much control, a lot of fears start to get exposed, don't they, which shows us that that initial controlling of our environment happened because we're afraid of certain things.

Yes, and if you look at the way children learn, even though when they start walking for example, they're not afraid of falling over.

**Mary:** Unless someone goes "Ohhhhhhh" ...

Well even then they're often not afraid of falling over, otherwise they'd probably never do it and if they never did it, they'd never walk. So we naturally as humans from a young age have this idea that even if we have some negative event that occurs as a result of our desire to know something or do something differently, we're not afraid of it.

Fear develops over time and usually it's inculcated into the child from the adult, or from the adult's environment, into the child. So the child learns it has to be afraid of certain things and certain pains, but when it's little it's not afraid of feeling pain even, because it quite often touches things that cause it to feel pain and then ten minutes later will go and do another thing that causes it to feel pain. It doesn't sit there in a frozen mess emotionally, avoiding every experience, because there might be the potential of pain from the experience. It doesn't do that.

We learn to do that as adults because we don't release the pain that we've experienced. This is a big problem that we face on the planet, is that because we don't release past pain, we then now have a fear of future pain, which governs our existence. So a person who understood this principle would not do that anymore - they would not let the fear of past pain cause them to drag this pain into the future decisions. They would actually see the separation between past events and potential future events and they would release the past pain, but they would not let themselves focus on the future pain as a potential.

They would see that the truth is that God's Truth results in a fearless existence and if that's the truth then we have the prospect of never having any fear in the future, which means that we would then be willing to release the experience of our past fear. We're willing to engage the process of experiencing our fears and experiencing our past pain, whether it be physical, or emotional, or spiritual in its nature. So we'd be willing to go through a process of change once we understood this properly at the soul level.

**Mary:** A couple of other examples from this list. "I believe I'm completely able to feel all of my own emotions no matter how painful".

I feel that's another one that we could have a lot of discussion about. We constantly believe that there is a certain level of pain, whether it be emotional or physical - and usually it's emotional - that we're unable to cope with, that we're unable to experience. That is not one of God's Truths; according to God's Truth all pain is able to be experienced and all pain is able to be released. So when we have this false belief, we are imposing a fear upon our future life and therefore dictating our future decisions through this fear.

**Mary:** Okay another one, "I feel when I am living in fear I'm not allowing the full expression of my own personality".

This is another very important one; I feel a lot of people do not realize in any single moment that they're not allowing the full expression of their own personality and nature. In fact the majority of people are heavily suppressing their own personality and nature, because of all the fears that they have that are like a jail that they've created for themselves.

Fear is like this jail that we built for ourselves and we sit inside of it and we think we're protected, but it's actually a jail; it's not protection at all, it's a lack of freedom, it's slavery to our fear. Once we see God's Truth results in a fearless existence and once we see the necessity of releasing fear, we no longer can make this jail for ourselves. So we start challenging the boundaries of this self-imposed jail if you like, this self-imposed slavery. So we're willing to go beyond our previous experiences in any issue.

So if before we were afraid of love, now we want to engage in love. Before if we were afraid of snakes, now we want to pick them up. If before we were afraid of scientific endeavours, now we want to do them. If before we were afraid of learning our own musical instrument, now we want to do it and as a result we get to discover more about our personality. The main reason why we don't see the true personality of most people is because they are so afraid to develop it due to all of their fears and this is a very, very limiting fact about our own personal development.

**Mary:** Yes. Okay, maybe one final example about what it would look like if I had a soul-based understanding of this truth. "I'll not modify myself or my actions in order to please others." Which is really just avoiding fear.

Yes. So if we think about our desire to please others, basically what we're afraid of is we're afraid that they won't be pleased. (Laughs) So we are afraid that somebody else will do, say, take some action, or say something, or feel something, that is going to be very negative for us to experience if we don't do what they want, or don't do what they believe is correct to do.

Now when we're in a fearless place we don't do that. Everything is governed by our desire for God's Truth only; it's not governed by what everybody else's personal opinion is anymore. Do we want God's Truth or don't we? That's the only real decision that we make under those circumstances. So what we do is we're desirous of God's Truth, we want God's Truth to become known to ourselves, we want to experience it, we want to understand it, we want feel it, rather than going through this process of thinking that other people's opinions really matter.

Now of course if other people's opinions are more developed in truth, they will have fearless opinions and they will therefore also help us to become more fearless as we progress in our own opinions and thoughts. But there are many people on the planet who have heavily fear-based opinions and we would no longer be focused on pleasing those people in order to get some kind of approval or acceptance back or even in order to prevent violence, in order to prevent their attack of us. We will no longer do that because we are fearless in our understanding and we're fearless in our understanding because we understand that God's Truth, absolute truth, the truth of the Universe, always gives us a more fearless existence, that's where it's leading us. It's leading us to this place of fearlessness and we don't need courage anymore because there's nothing to be afraid of. (Laughs) We only need courage going through this experience of releasing the fear.

**Mary:** I've often felt that courage is just the willingness to experience fear.

Yes, it is the willingness to feel it and experience it emotionally, that's what courage is, but we only need courage until fear is gone. Once fear is gone, it's almost like, "Well what is there the need to be courageous about?" We just plough ahead because we like it - only desire causes us to move forward after that point. So because we've developed the quality of courage during the fear-based position obviously we'll still retain the quality but we don't actually need it anymore because there's nothing to be afraid of and we know there's nothing to be afraid of.

**Mary:** But you're saying also in that statement that courage is a quality we can develop, until we reach the place where there's no fear. Then it will stay with us but we won't actually have any fear in us anymore.

Exactly. So we need to start having courage. Because of this Divine Truth, that God's Truth results in a fearless existence, this principle of God's Truth, we come to understand internally that actually we need to develop courage in order to get rid of our fear, we need to get rid of our fear through an experience. Once we've done that we realize that this courage will have lead us to a new place and the new place is now where we know. We're no longer afraid; we've nothing to be afraid of, because we know; we know everything we need to know and we live in harmony with the love that exists in the Universe and the truth that exists in the Universe in that place. And even though we haven't discovered all of God's Truth, we now no longer have a fear of discovering God's Truth.

Unfortunately I see on the planet there are still large barriers to discovering more of God's Truth because we have so many fears in so many directions. Some of them are fears of other people's opinions, fear of our own response, fear of our own emotions, fear of our physical pain, fear of our emotional pain, fear of our spiritual pain, fear of God, fear of the Universe, fear of the Devil who doesn't exist and so forth. We've got so many fears that govern our desire for more truth.

This is why people created books like the Bible, so that nobody would have a desire to discover more truth. It's almost like saying, "Here's my fear-based creation, a book, and this book is the end of all truth." That's a fear-based statement, "And this book is the only part of God's Word that exists," and that's a fear-based statement. These fear-based statements all support my fear-based existence.

So many books that have been created, particularly religious books that have been created on the planet have all been created, for the sake of supporting our fears. Once we no longer have a fear-based existence we'll find that we will not be bound to these books. We will not be controlled by them, we will not believe the majority of things that are in them anymore, we'll only believe the things in them that are actually true, that have been supported by evidence or somebody has verified.

**Mary:** So really this question is about having a soul-based understanding and what would it look like, but in the previous question you talked about the fact that even hearing Divine Truth often exposes fear within us. And really, from this whole discussion of these two questions, you're really saying that this is a process of receiving a soul-based understanding of this truth. We're going to need courage to do that, to challenge fear with truth and actually feel.

That's because fear prevents the truth from ever entering us even. That's the thing we need to understand.

**Mary:** So it's going to require us opening ourselves up to the experience of fear.

Yes, because the only way to get rid of fear is by experiencing it and unfortunately while the fear remains within the soul, truth cannot enter on that subject. So what we're going to need to do is to be ready to experience fear and release it, and in fact we will desire this eventually. I know it sounds crazy but you will desire this eventually. You'll get to the point where you desire to experience fear and terror and release it, because you know the terror and fear is preventing you from absorbing emotionally more truth. In fact you understand that so much that you're prepared to go through the emotional process of doing it. Not only prepared, you want to. (Laughs) You're not there in resistance going, "Oh, why do I have to do this?" you want to because you realize the importance of it to your future existence.

**Mary:** So really we can accept this Divine Truth that Divine Truth results in a fearless existence, we can receive that and that will then begin to dictate our actions to challenge fear in every area. We won't be fearless necessarily when we accept that truth, or how does that work?

The truth won't enter our soul until we've released the fear, but at least from an intellectual perspective we are willing to challenge the process, we are willing to develop the feeling of courage to work through our fears. The problem that most people have is they sort of want to use the intellectual truth to skip over their fears.

So when I talk about the fact that there is no such thing as dying completely, that you're always going to have a life after death, most people now who listen to us say, "Yes, I know that, I have no fear of that," and yet you put them in the situation where they're dying and you see they're terrified. And the reason why they're terrified is because it's not yet an emotional feeling within them; it's only a thought.

This is the problem with any of these qualities of Divine Truth - we cannot absorb with our mind only. Our mind can help us to go through an emotional experience to confront them, but we cannot absorb it with our mind only and expect there to be a change. A change has to happen emotionally. The only way for terror and fear to exit our soul, exit our emotional experience, is by the emotional experience of it. If we refuse to experience it, none of the Divine Truths, even though they are all fearless in their nature, will actually cause a change in us, unless we go through the release of the fear-based experience.

**Mary:** Yes, I suppose if I contrast between myself and yourself, you still have fears within you, obviously you're not at-one with God yet. I still have an immense amount of fear and terror within me, but you've gone through a process of releasing quite a lot of fear and terror. And when I interact with you I feel that you know the Divine Truth, that Divine Truth results in a fearless existence because you live your life in a way where you don't try to control your experience or your environment, you desire your emotions. So you've actually received even a soul-based understanding of this truth, in this process.

Or connected with the soul-based understanding of the truth, rather than allowing my fear to dominate my intellectual and emotional belief.

**Mary:** Yes. Whereas I'm still coming at it from the place of intellectually agreeing with that and then needing to challenge the emotional belief which is, "Nu - Uh", of fear is going to keep me safe.

Exactly, and this is the emotional belief that stops your progression, it causes your stagnation. So you know that and you're aware of that - how much it's causing your stagnation - and this is the case with the majority of people hearing Divine Truth. It's their emotional absorption of fear that is still present within themselves that they're not allowing themselves to experience that causes the emotional rejection of Divine Truth. So they have an intellectual acceptance while at the same time having an emotional rejection and this becomes very confusing and confronting to have both things at the same time, because on one thing your mind is telling you to do one thing, but your heart, your feelings are telling you to do something completely different. Your mind's telling you, "Don't go down the fear road, don't go down the fear road," and your heart's telling you, "Go down the fear road, go down the fear road."

**Mary:** Or the other way around is it?

Well no, while the fear remains within the heart ...

**Mary:** "Do what fear says, do what fear says."

Your heart's telling you, "Do what the fear says, do what the fear says", and your mind's going, "Don't do what the fear says, what are you doing?" This is after you've accepted intellectually Divine Truth, but not emotionally.

Now the majority of people who have heard Divine Truth currently on the planet have only done that; they've accepted it intellectually, but not emotionally, because they are unwilling to go through the emotional experience of the release of the fear, the terror. It's one of the hardest emotions to release. The majority of people avoid that immensely and so they spend most of their life creating a life to avoid it.

So it takes a lot of effort to break down the resistance to feeling the terror that exists within you as an individual. But once you do, now the Divine Truth that's in your mind can enter your heart and now the fear no longer governs everything about your actions and what you choose to do, choose to believe, choose to accept, choose to act upon.

You're no longer governed by this terror that exists within you, because you know you can experience it. You don't even have to have released it completely - you know you can experience it, you've done it many times before - so you know you can do it again. And you know you didn't die doing it, and you know things didn't go badly doing it, in fact you know your life improved.

So you now have faith that if you release the terror then the truth will be able to enter you emotionally to such a complete degree that eventually you become at-one with God on the subject and you'll have no emotional feeling of fear or terror within you at all. No matter what the justification was prior, you now no longer have the justification for the fear either.

**Mary:** Yes, yes, wonderful, thank you. (Smiles)

It's a beautiful quality of Divine Truth actually and poorly understood by the majority of people who have even listened to Divine Truth on the planet, and it was very poorly understood in the first century as well. Most people who listened to Divine Truth in the first century still had a lot of personal fear and until they went through that experience of releasing that fear, then they started to have a lot of courage, because courage develops the more you release fear, the more courageous you can become, because it's easier. (Laughs)

**Mary:** Because in a sense you're not afraid of the experience of fear any more.

No.

**Mary:** You might still have it within you, but you know that you can experience it. This is where I see a lot of us, myself included, getting stumped, where we have a few forays into feeling a little bit of fear, but this faith that Divine Truth will result in a fearless existence is still not well developed and so our will doesn't get used in that direction, when what I'm feeling more and more is that it's a decision of will. How am I going to use my will? Will I do it in harmony with faith in this quality, because I have to sort of experiment with that and grow my faith? I have some good experiences with that, but it's still not entered my soul.

No, because your fear is still dominants the experience, it still dominates your willingness.

**Mary:** And the actions that I take daily, really. So what would be your advice to someone who has this truth intellectually, it hasn't entered their soul, how can we best ...?

There is only one solution, and that is you must at some point make an active choice to actually feel and experience all of your fear and terror. That's the only way that this is going to change.

**Mary:** And that's a soul-based choice as well, isn't it, it's not an intellectual choice?

It's a soul-based choice; it'll grow over time. It may grow over time until you get to that choice, you have to confront every single fear-based perspective in order to get to make that choice. Now I see both on Earth and in the spirit world in the first six dimensions huge amounts of fear still, huge amounts of people - when I say huge amounts I'm talking like thirty billion people, who are in a state of terror and fear. That's a lot of people who are unwilling to feel and experience their own fears, and it also prevents every single one of those people from understanding God's Truth from an emotional perspective.

So it has such a huge effect on our ability to grow towards God, but also our ability to be happy and it is the single most important reason why the Earth is in its current condition and why people in the spirit world who after they've passed are currently in a condition of unhappiness. Fear is the most dominant emotion that is retained within the human race still and while it is the most dominant emotion it is going to prevent the absorption of new truths. So it's very important that all of us recognise the effect of fear in our lives.

**Mary:** Thank you.

3. Quality nine: What do you mean when you say Divine Truth does not hurt anyone or anything?

(Laughs) Yes well there's this common belief on the planet, isn't there, that the truth hurts. It's in songs (laughs) and most people believe it actually. Most people choose to not have truth because they believe truth hurts. In fact many people are willing to live lives for the majority of their existence on Earth where they don't know the truth about most things; they feel that ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is painful actually and God's Truth is that ignorance is painful and certainly not bliss.

So the reality is that God's Truth cannot hurt anybody or anything and the reason why it cannot is because it is the absolute truth of the Universe and it's all based around love, so it's always loving. So it's impossible to hurt anything or anyone with God's Truth. God's Truth is of such a nature that it always brings more love into the situation, always. It always brings more acknowledgement of law into the situation; it always brings more truth into the situation, that's the way God's Truth is.

Human truth is often in denial of God's Law, in denial of the truth; we want to retain an opinion of our own, which we want to believe is true, but which is actually damaging our existence. So-called "human truth", when it's out of harmony with God's Truth, is actually damaging our happiness, it's hurting us.

This is the thing we need to come to see, that the real thing that hurts is not knowing the truth, but the error that existed before the truth was known. This is why it's so important for us to have a desire to discover more truth, because if we discover more truth, we'll have the potential of feeling less hurt in our future. If we continue to hold onto errors and therefore hold onto the untruth, what we do is we are now, through the law - there are laws involved with all of this - encouraging more hurt.

We're actually bringing more hurt to us by holding onto the error and I see that this is a big problem as well, that we are frequently believing that the truth hurts, when the truth does not hurt at all and it's the error that hurts us constantly, that we live in almost constantly. And when it gets exposed of course it hurts and we're unwilling generally to go through the process of the exposure of the hurt.

So what finishes up happening is we suppress the hurt and we think that not knowing the truth will help us suppress the hurt, but the hurt is having a terrible detrimental effect to our body, to our emotions, to our life, to our attractions (what we attract into our life), and even the detrimental effect in our relationships, and particularly in our relationship with God and yet we want to hold onto the hurt. We're not seeing the truth of what creates hurt. What creates hurt isn't truth, it's error, and that's the thing we need to understand.

**Mary:** So really you're saying it's error, it's lies, it's deceit, all of these things create our hurt and sometimes people want to deny those things and they think that's ignorance and that's blissful, but actually eventually the truth will come along and expose those things. And it's not the truth that's hurting in those times, it's just the exposure of what already existed, which was deceit, lies, error, false beliefs, those kinds of things.

Exactly and in fact when a person arrives in the spirit world many times they realize that the bliss they thought was ignorance is no longer bliss.

**Mary:** Because all of God's Laws are designed to bring us truth, aren't they? Even if we control our environment enough while we're here in our physical body, as soon as we enter the spirit world we're going to be confronted with truth, aren't we?

But it's not only because of that; there are many reasons why a person once they hit the spirit world realizes that ignorance was not bliss. They arrive in the spirit world in usually a terrible condition with a lot of pain associated with it, and now they become completely conscious of their pain and they realize that a lot of their pain was the result of their choice to be ignorant.

They also find that their choice to be ignorant means that they don't understand where they are now living and that causes huge amounts of confusion and further pain, because they no longer understand the location in which they're living and why they're living in that location and what caused them to be in that location. They don't understand how the Universe works and so they don't know how to get out of the location that they are living in. So the bliss that they thought was created by the ignorance is not created and in fact the opposite has been created, and that is more pain and suffering gets created through ignorance.

You can see the reality of this in our physical life quite easily, whenever we are ignorant of physical things. So for example the average person on Earth hundreds of years ago was ignorant to the fact that there was such a thing as germs. So what we used to do is things like go to the toilet and eat straight after without washing our hands, so that was something that we were ignorant of. Now the average person might have smelt their hands and go, "Oh, that's not very nice," and done something about it for that reason, but they would not have been particularly concerned about the fact that there might be damaging effects of those particular germs.

Now the ignorance of that caused their behaviour to be such that they allowed themselves to live in what we would call unsanitary conditions, not understanding that the unsanitary condition caused the multiplication of diseases, viruses and bacteria, which then affected their own life and eventually and for many caused their death and therefore the separation from their current life.

Now in that small physical example we can see the ignorance to the fact that there are microscopic organisms that can cause our harm and the reason for their creation, which is all to do with our own unsanitary behaviour, wasn't known or understood and so therefore resulted in a large number of deaths. Once we start to understand that, it started to reduce the number of deaths involved with that kind of behaviour, because we started to behave differently; it modified our behaviour.

This is the beauty of truth, is that it starts to modify our behaviour. It reduces the hurt, now that we understand what is the cause. So we now have a cause and effect relationship, we see the effect is the death for unknown causes, the cause was eventually known in that it was caused by unsanitary behaviour and conditions. Once we correct the unsanitary behaviour and conditions, all of a sudden we have an improvement in how many people die and therefore we see this relationship.

The truth gave us more freedom, a longer life, a longer life span generally and also less trauma in death, as a result of not dying from conditions that were dramatically caused by viruses or bacteria, or other kinds of organisms that could harm us.

So how could you then say the truth hurt? The truth did not hurt; it was remaining in the ignorant, error-based position that hurt, and this applies physically, emotionally, spiritually - with all issues in the Universe. So every single physical, scientific issue in the Universe will benefit from us knowing more truth about it, every single emotional thing that we need to discover will benefit by us knowing more truth about it, every single spiritual thing in our future life will benefit by us knowing more truth about it. The truth doesn't hurt us, it helps us, it makes us happy. It's the error and holding onto the error-based position that hurts us.

**Mary:** Can I put to you a few examples from the notes here? You've said not being open and telling the whole truth always results in more harm and pain to the soul, and that's sort of relating to what you're saying there, isn't it?

Well it not only results in more pain to the soul, but as a subsequent result more pain to the physical body and the spiritual bodies that are connected to the soul. So by withholding the truth and not telling it - in any case if we know it and we don't tell it - all we are doing is creating more pain and suffering for ourselves and more pain and suffering for anybody who heard our lie, or could have benefited from the truth that we withheld.

If you think about it, we wouldn't take such actions if we didn't believe that the truth hurt. If we thought to ourselves, "Oh, the truth never hurts," we'd go, "I'm not hurting anybody, I can go and tell them whatever I want, that's truthful and I'm not hurting." But also I would understand telling a person something that is not demonstrated to be true, and not proven to be true, can be a dangerous thing, and unless I preface that with, "I don't know," or, "This is my personal opinion," I'm creating some fictitious truth, which the person may then act upon and do something with.

Now if people do something because of your personal opinion, well that's okay, that's their personal choice, you've stated up front that that's your personal opinion and that's okay. But if people do something because you're telling them it's the definite God's Truth and yet it's not and then they take actions that they will be harmed by in the future, then a lot of that pain is going to be on your head personally as well through the law.

**Mary:** On your soul really.

On the soul, and you're going to feel the pain of that as well. So it's a very dangerous thing to tell people so called ideas or concepts that you do not know are true. You need to understand that it's dangerous and also tell people, "No this is my personal opinion, this is not what I know for certain."

So there are a lot of things that are my personal opinion that I don't know for certain and when people ask me my personal opinion I tell them, because they've asked, but I tell them, "This is my personal opinion, I don't know that for certain." When I know something for certain I say, "No this is God's Truth that I have discovered through experience and I know that for certain," and then I tell them those particular things. And I know I can do so with no fear of them ever being hurt by it, because I know that God's Truth always results in less hurt, it always results in more power to the individual and to us collectively; it always results in more love being on the planet, it always results in a happier existence.

**Mary:** Yes, it's beautiful. Alright, some other examples now just about emotional pain. So, you've got here, "If we reject truth because of potential pain we are choosing to remain in emotional error." So you've already sort of covered that, haven't you?

Yes, what we're really saying to ourselves in that place is that the truth causes pain. That's really what we're saying. So if we reject truth because we're afraid that we'll have to feel some pain, we are really saying that it's the truth that caused my pain.

We see this happening all the time in our seminars and stuff when people come up and say, "What's the truth about this?" and you start telling them and they go, "I don't want to know." You can feel in them they don't want to know - that is their belief, the false belief that the truth hurts coming to the fore, it's an emotion they have that the truth does hurt. It's not the truth that hurts, it's the error that the truth exposes that's hurting them, and they need to be willing to experience the error and the emotions associated with the error if they're ever going to be free of it.

Now most people are not willing to go through that. They want to hear a truth without ever having it be absorbed in their heart. They believe that they can force it into their heart while the error still remains in their heart. It's not possible, it just not a possible thing and there's another fundamental principle of Divine Truth, which we'll look at later which actually, that says it's not possible. But it's not possible and every time they attempt to do it, they are basically reinforcing their own belief system that the truth hurts. And they become afraid of the truth, which is also an indication as from our previous discussion that fear is not in harmony with God's Truth either. So that's an indication that there's something wrong. Every time we feel afraid of truth, there's got to be something wrong with our belief system about truth.

**Mary:** Some of those things would be that we often feel the emotional pain of truth entering us because we believe error, which hurts to release.

Can I say that we don't feel the emotional pain of truth entering us, because there is no emotional pain associated with truth entering us? There's only emotional pain associated with error leaving us. When somebody tells us the truth, it exposes the error and we start to feel it, which means it's starting to leave us. Once we start to feel it, it's leaving us and therefore we will have some pain. Now usually the two events are very closely aligned with each other. Somebody tells us a truth and the emotional pain is instantly triggered and if we allow it, we start feeling the error, but if we don't allow it, we'll start believing that the truth caused our pain, which is not true, because it's impossible for truth to cause our pain.

**Mary:** And that really indicates that we want to hold on to our pain, our error, doesn't it? We're saying no more truth because I don't want this, I want to hold onto this rather than experience it.

Yes and the main reason why a person wants to hold onto error is because they are unwilling to go through the emotional process of releasing the error. So that's a point of personal unwillingness, it's got nothing to do with the truth hurting, it's a point of their personal resistance that they have to letting the error leave them.

**Mary:** So if we release emotional error, hearing Divine Truth will only bring us peace, happiness and bliss.

Yes. So once we get to the point where we release the error on a certain subject, on a certain matter, we can absorb all sorts of Divine Truths about that particular subject without any resistance any more. There's no pain associated with it either anymore, because the error which caused the pain actually has gone, because we chose to experience it.

**Mary:** Yes. So if we use some examples there.

Maybe we can use the examples in our next session.

**Mary:** Sure, absolutely.

I've put them in the wrong sequence there.

**Mary:** That's fine, okay. Well the final thing you have written here, is that there are emotional penalties for wanting to believe lies in order to avoid emotional pain, perhaps that's quite a dramatic thing to end our discussion on. (Laughs)

Yes. Many times we want to believe the lie. The main reason why we want to believe the lie is because we are trying to avoid some emotional pain of what will happen when we have to accept the truth and the emotional pain is a result of the error leaving us, that we don't want to leave us.

So what we do is we manage it and the way we manage it is we choose to continue to believe the lie in order to avoid the emotional pain of the error leaving us. This is a terrible thing that happens with belief systems - religious belief systems, scientific belief systems, political belief systems and all sorts of belief systems on the planet, even right down to belief systems about our personal emotions. We are constantly trying to manage the pain within us without releasing it. This is a major flaw in our desire.

We need to understand we will not be able to manage our emotional pain eventually, because in our emotional pain we make choices that then cause us to attract more emotional pain and therefore more error. And the more this cycle continues, the error will build to such a point that we'll have a huge amount of pain to experience and it will be very, very difficult for us to experience it. There are many people who have lived for thousands of years in the spirit world now who have yet to engage the process of experiencing their emotional pain, because their emotional pain is so great because of their choices to avoid. Now truth will help this process and so it is very important for us to understand we need to let the truth do its work and the truth will bring us happiness.

**Mary:** So you're really saying that when we make the choice to believe lies, not only are we leaving the emotion that's already existing within us unexposed and therefore unable to be healed, but we're actually accruing more emotional pain.

Of course, because we're making choices based on ignorance, which means we're breaking many of God's Truths or God's Laws. When we break many of God's Laws there is the subsequent effect of those laws telling us we've broken them, that there is some kind of result for breaking them, that increases the amount of pain that we're in, to show us that we're actually making more choices that are out of harmony with love, out of harmony with truth.

So there's this cycle that occurs that continues to build up to such an intensity that we no longer want to make any choices that are out of harmony with love - that's the purpose of the system - but many of us take many, many years to get to that point because we detune from the emotional experience of the pain, we're trying to avoid the pain constantly. If we were very sensitive to the pain and allowed the experience of the pain it's highly unlikely we would make another choice, which would result in more pain.

So there is a benefit to allowing ourselves to become more sensitive to the emotional pain that's caused by error, not by truth. We need to allow ourselves to benefit by being more sensitive to the emotional pain, allowing ourselves to experience the emotional pain, which is the result of the error that's within us that needs to exit us somehow, it needs to get out of us somehow. Once that happens when the truth comes to us it'll be like, "Ah, it's just a breath of fresh air"; it's beautiful, it creates happiness, we won't be resistive to it under those circumstances.

Our resistance to truth is driven by our fear of experiencing our emotional pain. Now if we really understood God's principles here, we'd understand that fear results in more pain, we'd understand that fear is in opposition to God's Truth and we'd understand that hurt is in opposition to God's Truth, but both need to be experienced in order to be released.

**Mary:** Yes, my guides helped me with something recently where I was feeling quite stuck around a certain group of fears and certain issues in our relationship and they said to me, "You're feeling stuck around these emotions, but if you just keep desiring truth, speaking truth, wanting truthful interactions, your emotions will be exposed, you won't have to worry about this issue any more. And I can vouch for that - that definitely has worked to get me over this hump where I just felt very stagnant. Just even praying to receive more truth and making the commitment to just being absolutely truthful, even about my error-based position with myself and with others, really helped me to begin to release some of these errors.

Yes. After a while we start seeing that all of our resistance is caused by our fear of pain, whether that pain is physical or emotional. Fear is not the result of God's Truth and pain is also not the result of God's Truth - both are results of errors being expressed as truth. Errors that we believe are true but are not.

**Mary:** And if we embrace this process of desiring truth the errors begin to leave us and we do begin to experience more peace, more direction, more desire, more happiness.

Exactly, even just acknowledging the truth that you are under attack or acknowledging the truth that there's a potential of violence towards yourself and it has a freeing effect upon the person, not an enslaving effect. So often if we accepted the truths that we're trying to deny, they would actually free us from the fear and free us from the hurt.

So I see it as a sad thing that the majority of people still do not understand this relationship between pain and error. They believe pain belongs to truth, not to error, and that's very sad because pain does not belong to truth. They also believe fear belongs to truth - that's why they want to remain ignorant. Fear does not belong to truth either and these are things that we need to come to understand.

**Mary:** Okay, thank you.

4. Regarding quality nine, what does a soul-based understanding that "Divine Truth does not hurt anyone or anything" look like in my personal life?

Well I am no longer governed by the concept that truth results in pain. That's the primary way in which it affects my life. I see that any pain that I experience is not the result of truth, but rather the result of error leaving me. So instead of denying painful processes we are willing to accept painful processes as long as they are going to free us of the fear and pain that is within us. We accept these particular processes as a part of our existence, until such a time as we are free of the pain, whether it is emotional or physical. We no longer see truth as the cause of it; we see the error as the cause of it, we see the proper relationship between error and pain.

Once we're in that condition, it changes the way we see most things that we experience, because we start seeing that pain is not something to be avoided, but something to be embraced and experienced. Also we don't choose to create painful experiences, but we choose to release painful emotions that have been from previous experiences that are painful. Ironically a person who doesn't understand this relationship will continue to choose to create painful experiences. So in other words because they are in denial of the truth there is no way for them to create a more happy experience in their future, because they are in acceptance of the fear and pain-based experience and not releasing it. They then choose to make decisions based upon the suppression of this fear and pain-based experience and that causes them to make more fear and pain-based experiences in their life.

It's only the absorption of truth that allows this cycle to stop. So we would stop blaming our pain on knowing more truth, we would start to see the importance of absorbing more truth and in fact we would develop a passionate desire to know more truth, because we have broken this internal belief, which is a false belief that there is a relationship between pain and truth.

The pain and truth relationship does not exist - it is not God's Truth and has always been a figment of our own imagination. There is a direct relationship between error and pain that does exist and we need to come to accept that from an emotional perspective that this relationship exists.

Now when we understand that relationship - that error is the result of all of our pain and as a result when we release error we're going to have to release pain - we then start to accept the process of the release of pain. We no longer desire to get involved in situations or events that cause us to suppress our pain, or that cause us to suppress the error. We no longer accept beliefs that cause us to suppress error; we no longer desire to have error within us, as we did before. We no longer support error in our environment, or our community or our worldwide belief systems; we confront those errors instead, because we realize they are all the causes of our pain currently.

**Mary:** So presumably that means that we don't choose to suppress truth in any situation, because we know that Divine Truth never hurts anyone or anything and if it happens to expose error then that's going to be the best thing for everyone involved.

Yes, we know it's the best thing because we've experienced that in our personal life and we know it's the best thing. So instead of engaging a process where we're telling this person a white lie so that they can avoid that particular truth, saying a white lie here, or a black lie there in order to support the person in their error-based position and help them avoid pain.

We even see helping a person avoid pain as an error-based position, because we realize that pain and suffering is all based on error. So we don't support their suppression of pain - we want to help them release it \- so we would not even encourage the development of drugs that supported the suppression of pain. We would instead encourage the development of drugs that supported the release of pain - if there were such a thing - and we would choose to engage our life in a really positive manner of sharing the truth all the time, never being afraid of the truth, never avoiding the truth in public experience or public life, or in our private life.

We'd never avoid truth in our relationship with our parents, children, our partner, we would always be telling the truth. When they asked us what we feel, even if what we feel isn't very nice at the time, we would do it in a manner that is not blaming them, or criticizing them, or dumping on them, but we would choose to do it because that's what truth would do. Error wouldn't do that - error would compound the error. Error would say another lie and cover over the previous one, that's what error would do. We wouldn't choose to do that.

**Mary:** Okay so in that vein, some examples from our notes. So when we had a soul-based understanding that Divine Truth wouldn't hurt anyone or anything, we would feel that withholding Divine Truth is harmful to everything and everyone around us.

Can we talk about that?

**Mary:** Go ahead. Great.

So what I see happening a lot on the planet is that people acknowledge that telling the truth is a powerful thing, but they feel that it should only be engaged under certain conditions. One of the conditions they feel it should be engaged in is when the person wants it all the time, but living in harmony with truth means that you will want it all the time. So that means that everything you do will be harmonious with truth all the time, in every interaction you have with any other person, you will always be in harmony with truth, all the time. The persons around you will learn that if they are going to interact with you, they are going to have to interact with truth all the time. The reason why you choose to do this is because you love them, not because you're afraid of them, or because you're afraid of their emotions, or you're afraid of your own emotional experience.

**Mary:** Or that you want them to feel bad even.

Or that you want them to feel bad, but just because you love them. You know that it's the error within them that causes their pain and as such you wouldn't avoid telling them the truth when you had the opportunity.

Now if you started telling them the truth and they said, "I don't want to hear that," well that's okay, that's their choice and decision and then you would not tell them. But if you were forced to be with them in any way, you would choose to leave, because you couldn't suppress your own desire to tell the truth, under all circumstances. So if somebody said to you, "Look I don't want to hear that," then you say, "No worries, I don't want to be with you either," (laughs) because you'd understand that just being with them in the state where you're having to shut down truth is not in your or their best interest. It's going to create hurt and so you wouldn't even choose to stay in situations like that, unless it was forced upon you.

So there are some really big issues there that people like can confront if they fully feel that truth has this power to free and make you happy, rather than cause hurt.

**Mary:** Okay, now the thing, "I feel that when I compromise Divine Truth I harm others as well as myself". So it's not just that withholding Divine Truth is harmful, it's actually compromising it.

Yes. So every time I choose to make a compromise with error I realize that that creates some kind of harm to both myself and to anybody else who has been a part of the compromise.

**Mary:** So could we give some examples of that?

Well let's say I know the truth that you were married and I know your partner's cheated on you. I'm his mate and I know he's cheated on you, because he told me about it, but he never told you. Now my compromising with this truth and not telling you and not telling him to tell you, or giving him time to tell you and then tell you myself if he didn't.

**Mary:** Take that opportunity, yes ...

I'm compromising truth. In compromising truth, I am compounding the error. So not only now will you be upset with him because he never told you the truth and he did something that was a betrayal, but also you'll feel the error of my betrayal. There's an additional pain that you will experience as a result that you didn't have to experience - as a result of my choice to compromise the truth. This is the result all the time. We see this happening in people's day-to-day lives all the time, where they compromise one truth and it just compounds the error and then it causes another error, another emotion, another pain, to be created. So it happens all the time.

**Mary:** Okay. When I understand that Divine Truth does not hurt anyone or anything, I feel I'm working in harmony with all of God's Laws when I'm in harmony with truth.

Yes, because all of God's Laws are truth - so we can interchangeably use the term "law" with the term "truth" - once we understand this relationship that truth and law are the same thing, then we will no longer want to compromise the truth, because we understand that all laws are based around truth. So therefore we know that every time we engage the truth, we're engaging the law in a positive direction. Just like every time we engage love, we are engaging the law in a positive direction and this means that we're working in harmony with the law.

Now when we're working in harmony with the law, there are positive benefits every time. When we work in disharmony with the law, there are negative consequences every time. So we understand that every time we engage the truth, we are working in harmony with law, and there's always going to be a positive consequence, even if we can't see it right now, there's always going to be a positive consequence.

**Mary:** Yes, awesome. Okay. I feel that when I tell the truth, it allows the free will of each person to the greatest extent possible.

Yes, so there is this beautiful relationship between telling the truth and allowing people to make choice. When you withhold the truth, you have already made the decision for them. This is something that we don't understand on the planet well. When you decide to withhold a truth from someone else that you know that they don't know, you're making a decision that they cannot cope with the truth. You've already made a choice for them; you're not honouring this gift of free will anymore.

**Mary:** And you're also not honouring their capability to deal with truth, are you? You're saying, "You can't handle it."

Yes. You're basically being condescending because you're basically saying to the person they can't handle the truth. God created us to handle truth. It's the error that's painful, that we don't handle very well, but God created us to handle the truth with a breeze, with simplicity. And every time we withhold the truth from another person, we're basically telling them that they're not capable of dealing with the truth and therefore they are not what God created them to be. So that's a very damaging thing to teach them.

**Mary:** Okay. I feel that when I withhold truth, I'm harming free will of others, and addicted to living in fear.

Yes, so that's very much related to that previous discussion that we just had. That is that when I tell the person the truth I let them make their own choice; when I withhold the truth I'm living in my own fear; but also I am stopping them from having a choice available, or trying to reduce their ability to have a choice available and that's going to be very, very damaging to them. So telling the truth gives them choice, withholding the truth removes choice.

**Mary:** Yes, so like in your previous example of the wife who's been cheated on by her husband, if that is withheld from her for twenty years, that's twenty years of her life where she didn't have the option to make a more informed decision about her relationship.

Exactly. So she might finish up finding out the truth after twenty years and she will feel like it's twenty years wasted and she'll be very upset with anybody who knew the truth, other than her husband, who didn't tell her. She'll be pretty upset with her husband not telling her, but she'll also be very upset with anybody who knew the truth around her who didn't tell her, because they have been a part of her wasting twenty years of her life. So what we finish up seeing under those circumstances is that withholding the truth sometimes causes just as much damage as telling a person the error.

**Mary:** Yes, absolutely. In that example we were just discussing, the woman knowing the truth, when it happened, gives her the opportunity to deal with the error within her and to make a better free will choices, but it also allows the possibility of the husband to confront his error ...

And his guilt ...

**Mary:** And his guilt and the reasons why he took that action. Whereas when we allow the lie if you like, and everyone doesn't talk about it, there's less feedback to him, to actually confront him with how out of harmony with love his actions have been.

Not only is there less feedback about confrontation, he's also getting his mates and friends to agree with him.

**Mary:** Tacitly or overtly, yes.

Yes, probably both, and when that happens they are basically agreeing that he shouldn't tell his wife. They're basically agreeing with the desire to restrict the choice from the wife, they are agreeing to the wife being controlled by something she doesn't know anything about, they are agreeing to the husband being out of harmony with love. So of course there are going to be some negative consequences to these agreements.

**Mary:** Well certainly, and that's the other thing that the truth would expose - not only would it give the wife the capacity to deal with things and make choices, it would confront the husband, but also it would confront all of those in agreement with the husband, surrounding their own error.

Yes, and their own belief systems about cheating on their partners and their own belief systems about whether that's allowable, or whether you should fully disclose it when it happened. Their own belief systems about what honesty entails in a relationship, would all be confronted.

**Mary:** And that in fact would assist their partners to make more informed decisions as well ...

Of course, and also have some trust in their relationship if they chose to make some positive choices in that regard.

**Mary:** Yes, so sometimes I feel like the truth is like a big love bomb that can go off and it has all these shock waves that can go out and effect; it has the potential to expose error, which actually has the potential for more love to grow, in all these situations.

And more happiness to be eventually obtained.

**Mary:** With all these people. Okay the next one with a soul-based understanding that Divine Truth does not hurt anyone, or anything. I would feel that when others feel hurt by the truth they are simply out of harmony with love of themselves.

Exactly. This is a very big thing. A lot of people withdraw from any interaction with another because the other person feels hurt and violently expresses their hurt. Now my response to such action is, "No you feel hurt because you just don't want to accept the truth and the reason why you don't want to accept the truth is because you want to avoid the pain of the error releasing you. That's the only reason why you're upset now. It's not my fault you're upset, it's your choice to avoid your pain that causes you being upset. That's the only reason." So I don't take on the blame of other people's response to hearing truth that I've delivered.

Now a person who's in harmony with truth would never take on the blame that other people try to apportion to them for hearing the truth. They would never take on the blame; they would always see that the pain a person is experiencing is the choice of their own desire for the error, rather than the happiness that could result from them accepting the truth.

**Mary:** I was just thinking about an example. I don't know if you remember this, we had lunch a little while ago with a man who wasn't listening to Divine Truth teachings, but he told us about an experiment that he'd done some twenty years ago, with just telling the truth in all situations and no sooner had he made this decision, "Well, truth's important so I'm going to tell the truth," his neighbour came over knocked on the door and handed him a cake as a gift and he accepted the gift and a couple of days later she came back and said, "What did you think of the cake?" and he said, "Ew, I've got to tell the truth. Actually I didn't like it that very much." And he told us that twenty years late she's still his neighbour, and twenty years later she still begrudges him saying that he didn't like the cake. And he actually gave up the experiment of telling the truth ...

For that reason.

**Mary:** Well, perhaps for a few other reasons. (Laughs) He found it was too traumatic, but this idea that ...

Well firstly, he was unable to experience his own emotion, so the whole reason why he stopped doing that was because he didn't like to feel the attack.

**Mary:** He took on the blame, didn't he?

I don't think he took on the blame because emotionally he still believes he did the right thing, but he just felt that other people can't cope with it and because he feels that and is willing to modify the truth because of that he attracts that all the time. So in other words whenever he tells the truth, other people around him can't cope with it because of this emotion he has within him, saying, "You won't be able to cope with this, you won't be able to cope with this and I'm going to get afraid of you when you can't cope with this." (Laughs) It's his own fear of other people not being able to cope with the truth that causes him to revert back to the lie.

Now if he had more integrity to the truth, he would go, "No this woman's twenty year begrudgement of him telling the truth is her emotion that she is unwilling to feel." She asked him, "Was it nice?" She wanted to hear, "Yes it was," but he was willing to tell her the truth, "No it wasn't." Now that's a lovely thing because she's going to keep making cakes for twenty years and then think they're all nice, and most people around her are going to think they're terrible and not tell her, and eventually at some point in her future she'll find she spent twenty years making cakes that were terrible and she'll find out ...

**Mary:** (Laughs) People will be giving it to the chickens ...

And she'll find out the truth, which will be much more extreme than it was just having one person tell her. If one person tells her then she has the ability to change the recipe and make it more tasty.

**Mary:** (Laughs) But the fact that she's still holding on to hurt and hasn't changed the recipe, that's showing a fair amount of resistance, isn't it, to experience of emotion?

Totally and lots of resistance to the experience of emotional pain and lots of resistance to understanding that actually she doesn't make a nice cake, which is the main feeling she's avoiding. She's basically avoiding that feeling - that she doesn't make a nice cake. It would be far better if she felt the feeling, "Oh wow, I mustn't make a very nice cake," and have a good cry about it if she wants to cry about such things ...

**Mary:** Well perhaps she's got some emotional investment in having a good woman makes a good cake or something ...

Something like that, but if she let go of the emotional investment she'd go, "Okay, I'm going to find a cake that I can take to the next door neighbour and he'd say, "Wow that is the best cake I've ever tasted." That would be a nice goal instead of holding onto the grudge for twenty years. (Laughs)

So in the end him telling her the truth would have helped her and would have helped many people other than her, because many people other than her don't have to put up with bad cakes as well. It would have helped but she chose, through the denial of her emotion, to have a different experience. She chose to avoid the truth, she chose to avoid her emotions and then because she chose that and instead got angry with him he chose to avoid the truth because of people getting angry with him about it.

So he made a compromise now about the truth, he was afraid of people's anger and now that's getting triggered, he now is compromising the truth and so now he will get hurt by the compromise of truth. His soul will degrade in its condition and other people will feel hurt from his compromise of truth.

**Mary:** And he's actually associating the anger with truth, rather than the anger with emotional error, and his truthful actions being loving and exposing error.

Exactly. So he has an internal belief that the truth hurts, otherwise he would not make such associations. He would never avoid telling the truth just because it appears to hurt somebody, or they claim it hurts them.

**Mary:** So the next on our list is "I do not try to embellish the truth or make it more palatable so that people will accept it".

Yes this is something I see happening frequently; people don't understand that the universal truth in its pure form is the best possible thing in all circumstances. If you try to embellish it and make it more than what it is, you are in fact making it less than what it is, every time, and in fact you are almost demonstrating an arrogance towards God. You are basically saying that God's Truth doesn't have the power that it has and by you embellishing it or softening it, it's going to have more power; and that is completely false.

It's completely false that any more power will result from your embellishment or your pandering and making it seem nicer than it really is. God never does that and when we choose to be in harmony with God's Truth, we never do that. This compromise in fact is a compromise of arrogance where we believe we can make it better than it looks, when the reality is the truth fully explained is always the best it can possibly be.

**Mary:** Yes. And it makes me think of some years ago when you first started doing bigger public seminars and we attracted some people who would say things to you like, "You're too direct with people, mate, you've got to ease them into it a bit, rather than just saying ...", which is really quite condescending to the audience, isn't it? It also displays a belief that you have to pander to people before they'll open up, which means that they already have a lot of demands.

Exactly, which all means that they are a lot of emotional error they should already be confronting. (Laughs)

**Mary:** And also surrounding the way we video things and record things, people saying, "Oh you need music and you need big productions and polish," and while these days we have a few lights, we still just start the video camera rolling and just record anything and everything that happens, which is us kind of honouring this idea that the truth doesn't need embellishment. Even the truth of our day-to-day lives doesn't need to be polished over, because when we approach God more and more in closeness in our relationship with God, things naturally become a lot smoother and a lot more pretty, don't they?

Yes. So we don't want to waste people's time, we want to present clear information and clear facts, but we also want to do it in such a manner that is real, that is not based around a facade. We don't want to create an image, we want to leave it be what is actually is. This is how God is with us; God wants us to be the person we actually are.

So every time I try to embellish the truth or pander to people's desire to create a facade, what I'm actually doing is believing the truth hurts. I'm believing the truth has some kind of negative thing; it doesn't, it's always positive; it's always better to present things as they actually occurred.

This is what the majority of people in the media don't understand that at all, the majority of people who live on the planet don't understand that at all now. They all want the facade many times and they want the facade because they want the facade in their own life, because it covers over a whole heap of emotional experiences that they'd be better off experiencing, but they choose not to because they're afraid of the pain of it.

So it's far better to just be frank - up front, direct, straight forward, clear as a bell, right as it's happening - than it is to pander to all these other experiences. So there's no need to make fancy things this and fancy things that, there's just a need to be clear, because it's the clarity that has the power.

**Mary:** Yes. Okay, final one which is related to our previous one, "I feel that when I try to embellish truth, I'm not honouring God, the Creator of truth.

Yes. So, if we understand that Divine Truth is God's Truth, God's Truth belongs to God, every time I compromise it, every time I try to embellish it, every time I try to put a facade on it, every time I try to manipulate it in some way to make it more palatable to the listener; all I'm doing is demonstrating my dishonour of God, that's all I'm really doing. What I'm doing is I'm showing God that I dishonour God, in that process.

**Mary:** So I'm arrogant with God and I'm distancing myself from God.

From God. So if I want to have a relationship with God, while at the same time dishonouring God, the relationship's not going to go very well. It would be honouring of God to tell the truth as it is, but only the truth that you know is God's Truth; that's honouring God. And when you have a personal opinion that might not be God's Truth, say you've got a personal opinion - that's honouring God. "This is my personal opinion"; very different to what I know to be God's Truth at this point.

When we do that we are actually demonstrating that we understand that we are in this very limited condition and God is in this infinite condition of knowing all truth. We are in this very limited condition of knowing a very, very minor part of truth and when we honour that fact by telling the truth that God has already shown us to be true, we are honouring that fact, we're showing people, "No I honour the fact that this is a God's Truth, not my own," and I'm honouring that even though sometimes I feel like I don't want to tell it. For instance if I'm afraid for some reason, and I don't want to tell it, I'm still going to honour it, because it's God's Truth and it's that important. Without it no change can occur, without it no happiness can come, without it no love can be felt. I need to say it when it's there, as it is in its unadulterated form. So this is a very important part of understanding this principle of understanding that God's Truth does not hurt.

**Mary:** Yes and just in looking back over the notes that I've sort of been drawing from, everything that we've discussed here - when we have a soul-based understanding that God's Truth doesn't hurt - there's a feeling within us of all of these points that we've discussed. Every point that we've raised began with "I feel that".

So in other words I feel I can't withhold the truth. I feel it with all my heart, that I can't do it, even though sometimes I'd like to. (Laughs) I still can't do it, because the feeling in me drives me.

**Mary:** And it's a loving feeling, not a feeling of wanting dominance or power, it's a feeling of "No, withholding the truth is actually going to affect people's free will negatively."

Yes and if feeling does not drive you, then it means the truth is not in my heart yet; it's just in my head, that's what it means.

**Mary:** Yes and in those instances I have to be very conscious of what the feeling is in my heart, driving me to speak, don't I?

Yes, because often it will be driven by some avoidance of another emotion and or some desire to attack somebody with the truth, or some other motivation. When we truly feel the truth in our heart, we're driven by it without any ulterior motive, without any desire to harm, without any desire to attack, just with a desire to help.

**Mary:** Fantastic. Thank you.

5. Quality ten: What do you mean when you say Divine Truth does not allow the lie, no matter what the price?

Well we've only discussed ten qualities of the fourteen so far, but if we see so far that Divine Truth is extremely important in so many areas of our life and is so important for our happiness, then we would not desire to suppress it in any way if we understood its importance. So one of these qualities of Divine Truth is that it does not allow the lie without correction.

So if you think of God's Laws, all of God's Laws are truths and all of God's Truths are laws. As a result, every single law has a certain type of operation; it has an operation of what happens when you live in harmony with it and what happens when you live in disharmony with it. Now whenever the operation of the law is engaged, the operation of the truth is engaged, this quality lets us see that there is always a negative consequence, not only to the individual, but also often globally to a person maintaining the error and there is always a positive consequence if the person knows the truth, in other words maintains the law.

The negative consequence exists when they break the law; the positive consequence exists when they maintain the law or live in agreement or in harmony with the law. Since this is a quality of Divine Truth \- Divine Truth does not ever allow the error-based position to exist without confrontation. It doesn't mean that it forces confrontation, so it doesn't take violent action against the confrontation, as we've learned in a previous example of one of the qualities of Divine Truth, but it will never ever allow the confrontation to not occur, or compromise to avoid the confrontation. The law always exists and it will have its result.

Now as such it doesn't allow a lie, it doesn't allow the lie to continue without addressing the lie, without confronting the lie in some way; just the very existence of truth confronts the lie in some way, because it's a law and therefore whenever a lie is told that is about that particular law, there is a negative consequence for telling the lie about the law.

So this beautiful quality of Divine Truth is that it doesn't continue to allow lies to exist - it always exposes the truth and eventually destroys the lies through eroding the lie. This is something that we need to understand on the planet properly, because the majority of people believe that error, including religious, political or emotional error can be maintained within the soul permanently and it's impossible, because God's Truth always has this quality of confronting the error over and over, over and over and over again. The error cannot stand forever; it must be destroyed at some point, that's the way God's Truth works.

Now it doesn't destroy the error by forcing the truth upon it, it destroys the error just by exposing it, by exposing the error every time. Even if whole societies, even if the whole world wants to maintain the error, sooner or later God's Law, God's Truth, will have an effect on the error of exposing it, sooner or later. It may take one year, a thousand years, ten thousand years, a million years even - possibly depends on our resistance, of how open we are to receiving it as to how long it takes - but eventually the error will be exposed. So God's Truth never allows the lie and if we understood that from a universal perspective as well as a personal perspective it would change our life.

**Mary:** Okay. So a person in harmony with Divine Truth would not lie for any reason?

Never. Never lie for any reason. They would understand that every time a lie is told, there is always an emotional reason why the lie is told.

**Mary:** Right. So an emotion we're avoiding experiencing within us is driving the lie.

Yes. It's a fear-based emotion that needs to come out of us - that's the only thing that will motivate us to lie. Also, if we understood that, we'd never choose to lie, we might mistakenly tell a lie - in other words tell something we later on find was not true - but we'd also want to correct that if we could.

**Mary:** Yes, okay and we would never desire to withhold truth from others either. So different to an outright lie. Also we would never simply withhold something that I knew was affecting your life.

Yes. God never withholds the truth of our experience from us. Every single law has an operation whether we want to maintain ignorance to it or not. So for example the Law of Gravity, a physical law that determines our physical existence, it determines the truth in every possible moment of our existence here on Earth. It never lies to us, but it always exposes any lie, in other words if we believe we can go flying off a building, the belief doesn't last for very long. (Laughs) We hit the ground, we die generally and we realize, "No, that wasn't possible." So the false belief cannot be maintained for a very long point in time physically.

Unfortunately when it comes to emotionally and spiritually we can maintain false beliefs for very long periods of time, but not without hurting ourselves, because every truth or law has a consequence for it not being upheld, and this is the beauty of the truth - sooner or later the painful suffering based experience will expose to us the error of what we believe. The error of what we think is true, but is not.

**Mary:** Okay. A person living in Divine Truth will not make a decision affecting another's free will.

Yes, so we've already discussed free will to a degree, but if I made a decision that forced my decision upon you without your free will being involved, then I would basically not be honouring the truth about your will through that process. Now God's Truth always honours the truth, it doesn't honour the lie. By me trying to force your will, I would be telling you - through the imposition - that you have to do what I want, that for some reason that your will is not your own and you cannot choose to do what you want, you have to do what I have decided you need to do.

Now God has never made that choice for you and so if I make that choice for you, I am basically lying to you. If I upheld truth I would never do that. I would always say to you, "You know, you're allowed to make your own choice here," even if it's in complete disharmony with God's Truth. "You're allowed to make the choice," and I would uphold your ability to make the choice even though I may not uphold your choice. So in other worlds I might not agree with or support your choice through my actions or even through my words, but emotionally I would support your ability to make the choice.

**Mary:** Yes, so, really within this truth - that Divine Truth does not allow the lie, no matter what the price - we can see that a life lived in harmony with this would mean that we honour truthfulness and we never allow lies, not only in our words, but in our feelings and actions.

Exactly, so we would never want to lie to ourselves about our own feelings, we would never want to lie to another about our own feelings, we would never want to lie to another about what we feel from them. We would never want to lie to another about when they want us to feel things that we do not. So there is a whole series of things that we would no longer be able to do if we understood that God's Truth does not allow the lie.

**Mary:** Not allow the lie. The final point that we had under this truth was that, if we project unloving emotions at a messenger of truth, then we will have additional emotional injuries.

Yes. In other words, whenever we project unloving emotions - and let's define them; any emotions that are violent in their nature, anger-based emotions, frustration, fear and all those emotions, are unloving emotions - whenever we project unloving emotions at a messenger of truth, we are basically saying that we want them to lie.

**Mary:** Yes. We're using our will to say, "Lie to me."

Yes, you're basically saying "Lie to me. Lie to me, I don't want to hear the truth, lie to me." And whenever they don't lie to you, you're willing to punish them for not lying to you, that's generally the case.

**Mary:** That's quite different from just passively saying, "I don't want to look at truth," it's saying when truth enters my sphere ...

Yes, which I'm going to attract at all times because God's Universal Laws are all truthful.

**Mary:** Yes, then I'm pushing back and I'm saying violently, "Don't do that." So I can see how there would be additional emotional injuries. It's not just my passive state; I'm actively harming another person and myself with this desire to reject truth.

Correct, not only that, I'm not realizing in that particular place that by having this feeling that I have towards the other person - "Lie to me" - I am actually creating a world that will lie to me, that has a desire to lie to me.

This is the main reason why we see the majority of the world wanting to lie to each other; politicians wanting to lie to the populace; religious people wanting to lie about what they know and what they don't know; we see it with regard to the economic system; governments not telling people the truth - because every one of us wants to hear the lie. We want to hear that the ten grand that we've got sitting in our bank account is actually worth ten grand, (Laughs) we don't want to hear that it's worth nothing. We want to hear certain things and so we want the lie.

This is our problem, whenever we want the lie, we are basically saying and not honouring the fact that the entire universe is operating around giving us truth and yet we're wanting a lie. We're wanting to hear the lie instead and then when we get the lie, how can we be upset that we got it? We wanted it in the first place; we demonstrated that by our resistance to the truth, by our desire to punish a person telling us the truth, we are demonstrating that we wanted the lie in the first place.

So I'll give you an example. Lance Armstrong was a bike rider and I think he had seven or eight Tour de France wins or something like that. During that entire time people asked him whether he was on drugs, he said, "No." Everyone wanted to hear the lie; everyone wanted to hear that he wasn't on drugs.

When he came out and told the truth that he was on drugs the entire time, everyone gets upset with him. How dare they? They all wanted to hear the lie in the first place. He could have told the truth right at the beginning, but imagine the uproar then. He would have been prevented from even riding in the next seven bike races if he won one Tour de France and then acknowledged that he was on drugs during it.

You see we want to hear the lie; we want to believe that everything's fine - when it's not - and then when somebody tells us the truth, what do we all do? We punish them and of course they're not going to want to tell us the truth when they get punished for telling us the truth. This action starts at a very, very young age.

Most children get punished for telling the truth at some point in their life, sometimes violently punished for telling the truth. What we're telling our children under those circumstances is that we want them to lie; we want them to never expose the truth to us, that's what we want. And our own hypocrisy in getting angry with someone who tells us the truth is just amazing. It's just as hypocritical as not being angry with a person who tells us a lie. They are both very hypocritical actions to take.

What we need to do instead is understand that everyone has emotional reasons for lying and until they release those emotional reasons they are going to continue lying. We of their emotional reasons for lying is that they're afraid of telling the truth because they're going to get punished. And we have to look within us as to why we want to punish people who tell us the truth. We need to examine the reason inside of us, why we wish to punish people who tell us the truth, and that is driven a lot by the fact that we like hearing the lie, because we want to believe it for some reason.

**Mary:** Yes, I was just thinking about that in relation to common media, I mean these current affair shows, there's about three or four of them that are on in Australia in the six to seven pm time slot during the week and a lot of them just peddle very sensationalist kind of ...

Or direct lies ...

**Mary:** Or direct lies, stories, and they are obviously afraid that if they tell the truth people will change the channel ...

Or not be interested. It won't be as sensational as the lie they told (smiles) and so the person might not be interested. Most of them might not watch television anymore and then they'll get no advertising and so they are afraid of all these things.

**Mary:** Yes, but people obviously want that lie, because they choose to tune in, that's high ratings time and these people have these slots because a lot of people watch TV at those times. Whereas others among us just don't watch, because we don't like the lies (laughs) but obviously a vast majority of the population does want these lies.

Yes and this is a big problem with the planet at the moment: there is a vast majority of the worldwide population that likes receiving the lie, because they like lying to themselves. Why do we like lying to ourselves? Because we do not want to experience the painful emotions, once the truth exposes the lie.

**Mary:** And in the previous question today we've been talking about fear and how truth exposes fear, and when we're presented with lies we just get to keep believing that fear is the truth, rather than actually confronting our fears, don't we?

Exactly, we get to not have to experience our fears, not have to experience our emotional pain and that's why we want the lie. We think that in having the lie we're going to avoid, the reality is we don't - in the long run - avoid anything; in fact what we do is we create more pain.

So when the truth is actually exposed - so in Lance Armstrong's case, seven Tour de Frances, all with drugs - everyone's terribly upset, but the reality is that everyone prevented him from telling the truth in the first place by being terribly upset about hearing the truth. Why would you be terribly upset about hearing that someone's doped themselves in order to ride a bike race? You dope yourself half the day with your pain trying to avoid things in your life personally. How can you then expect a person who's in a public sphere to not dope himself, when you do it every day just to avoid your own personal pain?

**Mary:** But isn't there an issue with him presenting himself as a drug free person and then ...

No difference than the person on Earth who's doping themselves everyday with Panadol, presenting themselves as a drug free person. The reality is they're not a drug free person and to be frank I doubt whether there's many people on the planet in the Western world who are drug free people. It's ludicrous to believe that such a thing is possible given our current circumstances and our current belief systems.

Most of us want to avoid pain; most of us want to use drugs to get over the pain. So of course there are going to be people in sporting life doing it. There are going to be people in political life doing it, there are going to be even religious people doing it, there are going to be all sorts of people doing it. Why do we expect any different? Unless we change our desire for truth it's not going to be different. They're all going to cover it all over, not tell us the truth about it and eventually we might find out and then we all get in an uproar - what hypocrites. Why are we in an uproar? We didn't want the truth in the first place. (Laughs)

**Mary:** I often feel that about us being open about our identity. We attract certain people saying you shouldn't talk about it because then more people would listen to you, but that's actually encouraging us to tell a lie about ourselves. It feels like when we are honest about who we are, it exposes a lot of fear in people, doesn't it? They say, "Oh can we trust? I've had past painful experiences where I've trusted people who weren't honest, or I've heard globally I've heard things where people have said they're Jesus and they haven't been trustworthy people." So it exposes a lot of fear and I think people have the opportunity to actually work through those fears and decide from a love-based perspective whether we are trustworthy, but most people don't even want to engage that process.

No, because they feel that feeling their fear is too painful an experience. So what they do is they deny their fear and they want the lie instead. (Smiles) So they want the lie, they want me to say, "Oh no, I'm not Jesus I'm just Alan John Miller," and give then the lie and that way they can go, "Oh you beauty, he's Alan John Miller," I can listen to him now. (Laughs)

**Mary:** And we even see with media representations of us, largely the media has chosen to take a very untruthful perspective of us, to tell lies about us, and a lot of people have accepted that without question and attacked us. But when people are more honest in the media about us, that we don't seem to be power hungry, or controlling people, or any of these things, then we've observed those media outlets begin to get attacked by their viewers.

Correct, which means their viewers don't actually want to hear the truth in the first place.

**Mary:** They don't want to experience any fear, or any negative emotions that ...

Well they don't even want to know that there might be a nice guy who's claiming to be Jesus, that's actually nice on the planet. They don't want to even know that, because they believe everybody who's claiming to be Jesus can't be nice. And that's not true, that's only their supposition, but they don't want to hear the truth about our life even, because they already believe a whole heap of things they already believe and they don't want their beliefs confronted. There will be pain when their beliefs are confronted.

The reality is once they start realizing they believed a whole heap of things about us that were false and once they start recognizing the reasons why they believed all these things that were false, they will have quite a lot of pain to experience emotionally and they'll feel about that. But unfortunately that's the results of a person who wants to believe the lie and who shoots the messenger of truth.

**Mary:** Yes, so even then wishing to believe lies about us will have consequences but then ...

It's the same as wishing to believe lies about anybody - it has consequences.

**Mary:** Then wishing to attack journalists or media outlets that wish to be truthful not just about us, but about other things, there are negative consequences upon the soul for that as well.

Of course, including that you're going to be told lies in the future and that's going to hurt at some point.

**Mary:** Yes when the lies are exposed and eventually ...

When the lies are exposed.

**Mary:** You'll feel bad. Yes.

So you have things like the British media going through this big exposure of all the things that they were doing - phone tapping and all these other things that they lied about and so forth - and everyone's in an uproar about it, but the reality is the majority of people liked what they heard at the time. They bought the newspaper, they wanted to hear it, they wanted to hear the lie and they need to examine within themselves the reasons why they wanted to hear the lie.

It's generally not for nice reasons that you want to hear the lie; a lot of it's about suppression of your own feelings about yourself and wanting to believe that you're superior to other people that you're hearing about. That's why you enjoy the lies coming at you many times. There are other reasons to where you want to suppress lies about yourself, like where you lie about yourself in order to suppress the truth about yourself and want to do that to avoid a certain emotional pain. So in the end we get the world we want and the world we want at the moment collectively is a world that lies to us.

**Mary:** And rewards the lie.

And rewards the lie. Of course it all has a terribly damaging effect on us and it terribly damages our relationship with God. God's Truth does not lie; it exposes lies, so of course whenever we lie we are in direct opposition to God's Truth, every time - direct opposition. It's like you might as well go up to God and punch him on the nose and say, "I'm opposing you." (Laughs)

**Mary:** "We're adversaries now."

Because we're adversaries: whenever you lie, you are setting yourself up as God's adversary and at some point you're going to be exposed as God's adversary, even to yourself. Whenever you tell the truth, then you're in harmony with God's Laws, you're setting yourself up as God's friend.

**Mary:** Yes, great. Thank you.

6. Regarding quality ten, what does a soul based understanding that "Divine Truth does not allow the lie, no matter what the price", look like in my personal life?

Well it's going to change a lot of your personal life I would suggest. You know the world we live in is constantly wanting the lie to be told, when you start telling the truth instead, then there'll be a lot of changes in the world in which you live. (Laughs) You'll have people around you in an uproar at different times potentially, you'll have your own life improving as a result because you're not engaging the error all the time, you're now engaging truth, and it's like whenever you engage truth you're really creating a future for yourself of happiness. Whenever you engage lies you're creating a future where you'll be unhappy. So you might be happy right now telling the lie, but you're engaging a future that's going to be unhappy; and you might be unhappy telling the truth right now, but you're engaging a future that's going to be happy.

**Mary:** That's a wonderful concept I feel, it's like long-term joy, or short-term avoidance, isn't it?

Or seeming short-term gain, which is not actually a gain because your soul is degrading every time you lie. So if you understood Divine Truth never lies and always tries to expose the lie, you would live a life that does the same thing, exactly the same thing in every aspect of your life. So you'd never want to cover over the lie of yourself, so you'd never want to be a facade. You would never cover over the lie with others. So when other people want you to lie for them, you'd never do it.

You would never cover over the lie in terms of discovery of new universal truth. So whenever you discovered a new universal truth, even though it might confront the world you're living in, you will still tell it. And there have been plenty of people historically who've done that on a scientific basis and been ridiculed initially and then tried to be punished initially but after time eventually the whole world has accepted some of these universal truths.

**Mary:** And I suppose the part of that that is really powerful is that we never lie or allow the lie against God's Truth without addressing that, no matter what the price. You are talking about people who are not lying and telling the truth about certain things, but they were willing to do that no matter what happens, personally or globally, they were willing to stand by truth, what they knew at that time.

Yes, it's such a courageous position when you think about it, because the world around you is immersed in error and immersed in pain and suffering, of which it wants to believe it's not the cause. It wants to believe that some other thing is the cause - it wants to believe God is the cause; it wants to believe that some other person is the cause; it wants to believe that nature is the cause; or whatever the belief is; it wants to believe that it's not the cause, humanity itself is not the cause.

So when you expose God's Truth about these things and you actually start saying no, no, no, humanity is the cause of all of this pain and suffering that's occurring on this planet and here's the reason why it's the cause, if the person doesn't want to hear that they get angry and try to defend their position. They are even willing to resort to murder and even war in order to prevent this truth from being known.

Now in that place you've got to be willing to pay the price: the price of staying in harmony with truth is that error will want to attack you \- that is the price. Now from God's perspective that's a beautiful prize because in the end, once the error is exposed and released, now we have the ability to move forward in love and move forward in truth and understand and have more happiness; but initially if we don't have that viewpoint - that no matter what the price I'm going to stay in harmony with truth - there is no chance for change.

This is why the Dark Ages occurred - we had nearly two thousand years, or a good solid fifteen hundred years almost of human history where religious suppression of truth caused mankind to not change and grow for nearly fifteen hundred years, that's why it occurred, because of the suppression of truth. People wanted the lie, people wanted to tell the lie and hear the lie. Once we are courageous enough to say, no matter what the price, we are going to confront this, change can begin to occur.

Now there were people scientifically and religiously near the end the Dark Ages that started to confront this religious error and this belief system based error of wanting the lie and once they started confronting it, many of them were murdered, many of them were placed in prison for all of their life, many of them had their lives completely destroyed, but they held onto the fact that they were doing the right thing and living in harmony with Divine Truth. Now the beauty of doing that for them was that they passed into very nice conditions of love in the spirit world, so they didn't have to endure the hells of the spirit world, but also we, humanity, had benefited from their courage; we collectively benefited from their courageous position of holding onto the truth and not allowing the lie. This is the beauty; when we do that other people will benefit from our courageous position.

**Mary:** Yes and I can think of an example from your personal life where you've actually been willing to speak the truth in your family environment and exposed some errors and dishonesty that had happened and for a period of time everyone in your family blamed you, nobody wished to speak to you, even though you hadn't perpetrated, you'd just told the truth about some other ...

I didn't do it, I just told the truth about it ...

**Mary:** Yes and everyone ...

And they wanted to shoot the messenger of truth ...

**Mary:** Yes, for a number of years. Yet just recently we spent some time with your family and actually the people involved have actually stopped blaming you, all bar one maybe, and a number of them have actually been able to make better choices based on more information about their lives. But also they've begun to work through certain emotions that they were avoiding by avoiding the truth.

Yes and that was my underlying desire initially - to help them go through things. They were holding onto things that I thought were damaging to their lives and were damaging to their lives - because every time you hold onto an error and don't honour the truth you are damaging your life - and then as that was corrected, their lives are getting better. Some of them they have embraced the change of acknowledging the truth much more readily than others and the ones who have embraced the change of acknowledging the truth have had a benefit immediately or over a period of time that they've embraced the truth, have had a benefit to their life.

**Mary:** But what I see is that it took a lot of faith in you in this principle that not allowing the lie would actually bring about change. You had to have a lot of courage and lot of dedication to that.

Also for me it wasn't as hard a decision as you might imagine, because even though I was aware that I might lose all of my family, and for a time I did, I still would have found it much more difficult to not tell the truth. It would have had a terrible effect on myself personally, but also I would have just found it much more difficult to do.

**Mary:** Which tends to indicate you had a soul-based understanding of this Divine Truth.

Exactly. I find that if people find it easy to lie then it means that there is not a soul-based understanding of this truth within them. If they find the lies slipping out of them, then it means that they don't understand the power of the truth and the beneficial effects that the truth can have in their life.

**Mary:** Whereas you had a feeling that there was a much higher price for lying than telling the truth, even though telling the truth meant you lost your whole family and were vilified by your family for a period of time. Actually lying was a higher price.

To myself, but also to my relationship with God, but also to them. It was a higher price to them because if the truth wasn't exposed it would have been a much longer time period where the lie was believed and when the truth was finally discovered, even if it was in the spirit world that it was finally discovered, it would have been devastating to the people involved.

**Mary:** So that indicates that you had already a soul-based understanding that Divine Truth does not allow the lie.

True, correct, yes.

**Mary:** Okay so some other things that are listed here as examples of how our life would look with this soul-based understanding. I honour God by always stating and live the Divine Truth in all situations.

Yes. Now in situations where everyone accepts me doing it, it's quite easy. (Laughs) So you know when I'm all comfortable doing it and everyone around me is comfortable with me doing it, then it's quite easy. Now there's no time on Earth when that's possible. There are places in the spirit world once you become at-one with God where you can just sit down with all your friends and all of you are in Divine Truth and in personal truth constantly and it's so easy a life, just an easy life, but living here on Earth is much more difficult because the majority of people, as we've discussed, want the lie, because they want to avoid their own emotional, painful experiences.

As a result of that, telling the truth then becomes much harder and particularly telling God's Truth becomes extremely difficult. When you tell your truth it's not so difficult because you can go, "But that's just your truth," but when you say to people, "No, this is actually God's Truth about the situation," now it's a lot more difficult, because now there's this supposition they make. They are basically saying, "You're saying to me that this is God's Truth, your saying to me that you've got some kind of special connection with God and you're able to tell me what God's Truth is, this is what you're saying to me." And so there's a lot more negative emotion projected at you when you say to people, "No this is a truth that I've learnt about the Universe, that is God's Truth."

This is why anybody who's discovered Divine Truth of any kind, whether it be physical, emotional or spiritual in nature, has always had to endure for a period of time generally a lot of opposition on the Earth. So even if they have been a scientist who's discovered a physical fact about the Universe, they've often had to put up with some attack. The reason why is because there's just a large amount of desire of people on Earth just to avoid understanding truth, because of trying to avoid their own personal emotional experiences.

Now until that changes it's going to be a bit of a labour of love to live in a state of truth on the planet. However without people being willing to do it, it's never going to happen; unless people are willing to do it, it's never going to change. So there needs to be people who are willing to do it and that's where courage is going to be required.

**Mary:** Okay, so also I would feel emotionally the pain of mankind that ignores or denies Divine Truth.

Yes. So what I would do is I would honestly examine the results of living the lie. What we often hear in the world around us is that this is a normal life and everybody generally believes this is a normal way of doing things, a normal life - even when it's totally unloving and totally out of harmony with truth, they think that's normal. Well once we understand this particular Divine Truth - that God's Truth is always trying to expose the lie - we never accept as normal, something that is not normal from God's perspective. In other words we go, "No this isn't normal, it's a human creation, not God's Creation. This is what humans have decided to create because of their denial of truth," and we expose that.

We say, "No the reason why we've got this pain and suffering and that pain and suffering, collectively and individually, is not because we're accepting the truth, it's because we're accepting and believing and emotionally loving the lie. That's the reason why we've got this pain." And we need to honour that, we need to honour the fact that this pain will continue, the suffering will continue while we continue to honour the lie. And if we can make sure that we do that, and everybody does that then eventually none of us will eventually end up accepting that the life we're currently living that's full of pain and suffering is actually the life that God created us to live.

**Mary:** Yes, and that probably links to this next point, which was that, "I feel that personal emotional pain when I personally ignore or deny Divine Truth."

Yes, so in other words instead of trying to tune ourselves away from the pain, what we do instead is we acknowledge the pain and we acknowledge the source of its creation, which is ourselves or mankind collectively. So instead of going, "Oh God's to blame for this pain," or, "There is no pain," we go, "No, there is pain, we do have pain and suffering. The reality is many of us experience pain on a day-to-day level - physically, emotionally and spiritually; we are experiencing pain on a day-to-day level generally."

What we do is we acknowledge that this pain exists and this pain exists because we haven't accepted God's Truth about some things, probably lots of things if we have lots of pain. And instead of telling ourselves that someone else is to blame, and instead of telling ourselves that we don't really have much pain at all when we do, we honour the truth and we acknowledge our responsibility and that's a part of not lying to ourselves.

**Mary:** Okay. I don't have to push myself to live in a place of Divine Truth, its automatic.

Yes, and this is something that we have to understand too. If I'm pushing myself to tell the truth, but I don't have a feeling to tell the truth, then that tells me that it's not automatic in me to tell the truth. And if it's not automatic, there's an emotional reason inside of me that's error-based that causes it to not be automatic. I'm going to have to at some point find that emotional reason and release it, if I want the process of telling truth to be automatic, that's what I'm going to need to do. Until that point in time I'll have to try to tell the truth and often I will fail. (Laughs)

We need to acknowledge that every time a person needs to try to tell the truth but fails and finishes up telling a lie, that it's because they don't have the feeling in them to tell the truth for some reason and usually the reason is that they are afraid of what the truth exposes, the lie that the truth exposes will cause; they are afraid of the emotions that are going to be involved.

**Mary:** Yes, I would have put myself in that category that you were just talking about, finding that I was having to push myself to tell the truth, because of all these fears. Lately I find I'm automatically telling the truth, then I'm freaking out, "Oops!" (Laughs) "That happened automatically," and I'm not used to that, I'm a bit afraid still about how everyone's going to respond to that.

And that indicates that there is a change happening in the soul when we get to that point where we catch ourselves telling the truth even though we thought, "Oh, I don't know if I should have done that." (Laughs) That means that the change is starting to occur at the soul level where we're starting to now really value the truth and value the exposure of the lie, and value the fact that exposing the lie, exposes the error, exposes the sad and negative emotions. And we value that so much that it's inside of us now, that we can't avoid it anymore.

**Mary:** It seems to take more effort to generate a lie, or it seems like emotionally it feels like a waste of time to lie, because it feels like truth's going to be exposed anyway and I'm not even going to get anywhere unless I can face the truth about myself, so why even try to do something else?

Well you get to the point even beyond that where it's so freeing to just say the truth all the time that you don't know how to construct a lie anymore. (Laughs) So you don't even know how to do it anymore.

**Mary:** It would take effort to construct the lie.

Well it would take far more effort than just telling the truth. In fact lies do take far more effort to tell, both in the short-term and in the long-term, than the truth does to tell, but you don't feel that unless you've got that emotionally in you. While there's all this error in you emotionally and you're saying, "No, no, be afraid of the truth, be afraid of the emotion that's going to come up in them," or in you, you don't believe any of that. It's only once you've released all that emotion that you start going, "Wow, it's such a breeze to tell the truth, it's such a lovely life, I don't know why I didn't do it all the time before."

**Mary:** And I've found that a lot of my lying was not necessarily the words I said but the demeanour, the facade I presented to the world. This is the bit that is slipping seriously from me, where just "Oh", there's the real me just came out, because I can't be bothered with this facade anymore. But I'm a bit freaked out about how everyone's going to respond to that, because I'm so unaccustomed to it. I wouldn't have even said that I told, or it feels like more of a lie when we present a different version of ourselves to everyone.

Yes. And this is the beautiful thing, once we work through this emotionally, we start feeling impelled to tell the truth and we get to the point where it's impossible to construct a lie, let alone tell it. Then we also have a lie radar, where when anybody who lies to us we know they've just constructed it and we don't even have to confront them with it if we don't want to, or if they reject the confrontation. We just go, "I know they lied," and we don't get upset about it or anything. But we just have that radar about it, we know we can't trust what they're saying under those circumstances.

**Mary:** Yes, we were watching a program where someone said their one superpower is to tell if someone's lying, so we get that superpower. (Laughs)

Yes. In the end you get a lot of superpowers once you engage the relationship with God, but one of them is this ability to just have a radar for lies, when you're getting lied to. It then becomes easy because you don't have to believe them, you don't believe the lies anymore and therefore you don't put or make choices or decisions based upon the lies anymore and that's a beautiful thing. You know your life positively changes when you don't do that.

**Mary:** Certainly. Okay the final couple we've got here, so if we have a soul-based understanding that Divine Truth does not allow the lie, no matter what the price, we don't resist hearing the truth out of fear, ever.

No. So we love the truth, we don't love the lie. When you love the lie you resist the truth. When you love the truth you don't resist the truth anymore, you love it, you desire it, you want it, you don't try to avoid it. So the majority of people who interact with us still don't love the truth, they love the lie. They want the lie, and when you tell them the truth it's like, "Ugh," you feel it in them, "Ugh"; every time this terrible feeling. That's an indication that they still love the lie. When you love the truth you don't feel like that anymore.

**Mary:** I find that there's this growing love for the truth and the power of it and how beautiful and simple and powerful and freeing it is, but at the same time it exposes my fear and this is where ...

And if you're unwilling to feel the fear then of course you're going to have some trauma.

**Mary:** It's hard to continue the love affair with truth until you're willing to be humble with the fear.

Exactly. Once you're humble with the fear and allow yourself to experience it, you'll love the truth all the time. Once you allow yourself to just feel the terror whenever it comes up you will always love the truth. You'll love to receive it under all circumstances and conditions, you won't be avoiding it in any way, you won't be resisting it, you'll never revert to shooting the messenger of truth, ever, you'll always want it and you'll value the people who tell you the truth.

At the moment most people on the planet still value people who tell them the lie, because it supports their denial and supports their emotional addictions. A person who tells the truth is often ostracized or criticized. Now if we were in a different condition where we loved the truth, we wouldn't criticize or ostracize people who tell us the truth, we would want them in our life.

**Mary:** Yes and to me, at the beginning again to feel that the people who really honour truth are like the bright lights in my life, they're the people that I feel more drawn to and I also feel like they're the only people I can experience any level of closeness with.

Of course, because this is another quality of truth - it exposes emotional closeness. It encourages it in fact, and this is something we'll cover in other questions.

**Mary:** Okay, final one on this quality ten. When I have a soul-based understanding of this truth I desire truth with all my heart because I understand its power.

Yes. This is about honouring Divine Truth, honouring the fact that all truth comes from God, so all the truth is absolute in its nature; it's universal in its scope. And because it comes from God, it has unlimited power, it is able to change events, situations and all sorts of things as a result of engagement of the truth. Once I truly honour that from an emotional perspective inside of myself, I then am honouring God more. I'm honouring the fact that the way in which I can develop a closer relationship with God is by honouring his truth, honouring this universal truth. It's so beautiful being able to honour the universal truth in that regard.

Also every time that I get away from truth, I realize that I'm actually not honouring God anymore, I'm not honouring the Creator; I'm not honouring the person who made this Universe possible. I'm not honouring the person who created me. Every time I get away from truth I realize that I am actually in some ways, trying or attempting to pull down God, pull down His universal creations. Of course it's a flawed attempt from the beginning, it's never going to work, but it is the attitude that I have towards God when I dishonour any truth - scientific, emotional, physical or spiritual \- whenever I dishonour those things, I dishonour God, because God is the source of all that truth. All of that truth is the truth about the Universe.

**Mary:** Yes, very powerful. Thank you.

