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we'll always have a guest for today it's
MIX, sex tech specialist, editor for
TheNextWeb magazine great to have you
here how're you doing I'm doing fine and
thank you for having me this is actually
my very first podcast so I'm very
excited to be on the very first episode
of the qh h q h q h q Kiiroo Podcast- there we go
cool cool cool great to have you here
we'll be talking about a lot of things
what you've been doing but first off
let's go to like the last news around
adult industry adult performers get
engaged after a gangbang now basically
what happened was after a shoot
male-on-male gangbang movie actor Bryan
Bonds proposed to Mason Lear and he
accepted I'm quoting
Bonds and  Lear and 8 other men
had just finished filming a gangbang
when bonds popped the question, Lear
accepted. "it was easily the most romantic
thing we've seen here"
Wrote a company rep on their Twitter
feed Congrats guys" another quote "this is
how I wanted to propose my future
husband" bonds explained "with my friends around after crazy fun time
I don't give a buck-toothed peep what
conservatives or anybody thinks" so quite
an original way of proposing someone
after a gangbang don't you agree
that's a beautiful way of proposing I
just wonder did the proposal go into the
movie I don't think it went into the
movie but from what I heard it was just
just after they finished off the the set
and they were doing like they explained
a gangbang and pretty much afterwards was what was the romantic part so
going for one situation to another
bringing it really emotional really
beautiful - They got to have a wonderful memory come from before the proposal like as
well I guess I guess so
well congratulations to the happy couple
another item sex robots might induce
addiction, sex robots are said to be
both a boon for lonely people as well as
a danger to latent sex-addicts
psychotherapist dr. Thaddeus Birchard
explained to the Daily Star today we
that sex robots might induce sex
addiction as advanced bots that boast AI
might give vulnerable people another
tool to feed their compulsion so
basically what that means is like it can
have the same addiction as for people
with alcohol for example do you kind of
agree on that matter - honestly I think
that sex addiction and perhaps
masturbation addiction those things are
real things they exist as conditions I'm
not sure we're close to the point where
AI or AI robots whatever confute so
realistic that you get addicted to them
perhaps you're gonna get addicted for a
certain time in the end I think you're
gonna need the human touch or at least
something different to experience - do you
think so because I happen to find out
that some people can easily get
alienated due to addiction like
literally shut himself down for the real
world - yeah it's a good point though I
guess you also do stuff for some things
but I just don't know if robots are
gonna be all that Pleasant in the
beginning I've seen some pretty awful
robots so far it doesn't seem to be so
much fun maybe I'm maybe maybe I haven't
really experienced the right robots - it's
a way to express..- it already exists
there it's manifesting itself through
another medium more or less that's from
that's what I understand is to think
that the medium is important because in
the end that's how you satisfy yourself
and if you are unable to reach a certain
level of satisfaction that you're
accustomed to I don't think you're gonna
use that object in the first place which
makes it difficult to get addicted to
but I do agree assuming the robot is
just an excellent piece of technology
everything you've ever wanted it's why
not you can get addicted to anything - now
the next item which is a very
interesting one
is dating app which has been developed
by Andre Yaroschenko and it's an app that
links people due to sex fantasies and
desires regarding those what do you
think about it - I don't know what I think
about that there's so many dating apps
out there these days fantasies I .... -but
it's a new thing when dealing with an
app that really links up people
regarding sex fantasies so bad so
basically you you might find a match
which is  all based on fantasies - yeah I think some fantasy
that's a good thing I also think that I
guess there's also the aspect the
privacy aspect because you're putting
out yourself out there what you like
some people might not be all that
comfortable with that other people that
might be just right around there are you
because they can openly show what they
want make it easier to find other
people's to select which sometimes with
tinder for example it's a bit difficult
sometimes you scan through a lot of
people and in the end most of them
you're probably not going to be a match
with in any way if and even if you like
each other sexually or visually whatever
you know you're just basically going
through it's a window shopping thing you
don't there's no almost no personality
at play unless you know you paid close
attention maybe to their Bio or whatever
most some people don't even have a bio
how do you judge based on that so in
that sense I think that it's not a bad
idea I just wonder how popular it can
get -  cool one thing though however would
you use it? - sure if there's a large
enough database you know a user base in
Amsterdam I I wouldn't mind giving a
call why not
alright I don't know what I would put
down as my sexual fantasy I'll have to
think about that but uh yeah I would
give it a go - well I think I would use it
even though if it would only be for just
checking out what type of fantasies are
related to different persons like if
there will be a match like it will be be
interesting to find out like who who
seems to say who shares the same type of
fantasies and desires - let me turn the
table on you and ask you a question what
would you put down if you had to choose
a
fantasy if I have too much on the spot
no actually not like it's so real
strange fantasy that I have but I have a
weak spot for yoga pants - yoga pants - actually, I call it the cursed pants
because basically what I see these days
is like whenever women and I prefer I
prefer to be into women so uh let's
let's just first put that aside but the
thing is like whenever you see women
wearing those yoga pants man it's like
it doesn't matter how they look on the
upside but it's more like this
distracting part about the yoga pants
and basically they know they're doing
that  - no, I know the yoga pant factor aswell yeah, that's a I might actually go
for the same fucking fantasy you know - 
really - its not a bad option - but I have to quote mr. Yaroschenko
though, he wants the app to be a
guide for sexual development not
somewhere to find the nearest body for
your quick sexual discharge or something
like that you know some people might
take it to the extreme so it's really
common sense for me to remind them - there's
always gonna be edge cases what can you
do - exactly, exactly , how cool to see that
we have the same feels about the yoga
pants - tap one off - so, as I just said I'm not alone
here I'm here with mix you should care
to explain something about what it is
that you do for ....-ya so it's a good
question up until maybe last year I
would have said I'm I'm a technology
journalist mostly because I cover stuff
about technology and then the internet I
started covering apps and security and
that I gradually moved into covering
social media and internet culture and
that's how I got into Sex Tech ,there is
actually a thing we did at TNW where I
work my employer is basically called TheNextWeb
but we shortened it to TNW, there's uh, they
call me The Porn Reporter over there
that's how I'm known and then but
recently you know I kind of I graduate
start moving into cryptocurrency and
blockchain coverage and we we launched a
new website that focuses a new media, a sub brand that focuses specifically on that
space and I'm the editor of that website
it's called Hard Fork, check it out if
you care about cryptocurrency blockchain
it I don't necessarily do the research
all the time I do a little bit a little
bit of investigating I sometimes I speak
to the people who did the research or
develop the things that we're writing
about my job is more or less to simplify
simplify than to find interesting
concepts and then present them to
readers in a more simplified way it
sounds very boring but I think we do it
in a very amusing way I think the next
web, that's that's what it's kind of
known for we MEME a lot then we do it
well, - you meme a lot!? yeah we do - all right
all right all right
so basically to find the new quotes and
the new memes check out TheNextWeb we're
mentioning HardFolk as well and
that's basically like a cryptocurrency
related website, yeah it's a
cryptocurrency related news website what
we're trying to do is basically we wanna
we want to cover cryptocurrency and
blockchain in a way that we we noticed
that there's a lot of mystery but not
misreporting but there's all of
interesting topics that go underreported
in the space and we want to bring
attention to stories like to stories
like that basically that wouldn't have
been in your in your own your data
unless you know you come and check out
HardFork - all right all right all right
then another question did they call it
hard fork because it's hard forked off the
next web? - I am glad you mentioned that
that's part of the that's part of the
reasoning we put behind it yes the it's
the first media sub brand that forked of
the next web and it's also based on
cryptocurrency so we thought it would be
it would be a perfect double entendre
for that - awesome talk about word play there
all right interesting we'll get back to
that a bit more and especially about the
other things that you do this well
certainly I have some questions that I
would love to ask you but let's just
continue with some other
developments regarding
adult industry .Live Cam
Performer Amber Kelly earns an average
of a thousand pounds a day
which is quite a lot don't you agree for
web camming - I don't know what the
standard rate for webcaming is, but I know she's
doing fantastic ! prop props to her you
know I I she's doing way better than I
am that's what I know - now is it a
conceivable reality that more and
more of these high paying / high priced
private exclusive agencies like this
will enter the webcam market or we will
just see a majority of the cam workers
and consumers gravitate towards big
sites like flirt4free, cam4 or the
Live Jasmine's as is the case of right
now - I think the porn-space is a bit
more fractured than than other spaces in
that do video and and you know web
camming there is not such a big monopoly
but at the same time there is always the
case that most performers and then most
users also gravitate to the more popular
websites so in most of these are kind of
monopolies know what I mean so I think
there's gonna be probably some some sort
of a leader within that space - fair point
however live cams aren't really porn
right?  they're they're more like personal
erotic entertainment - yeah I mean I
phrased that incorrectly I guess, I
still think about it
I want basically to I think
in the adult kind of entertainment websites
there's more separation also some porn
sites have their own web cam sections so
there's there's some overlaps with in in
in that sense yeah - alright interesting,
now - she's doing well though - man, a thousand pounds per day? -props to her-
hey that's not something that I'm making
man even if I would do like webcam shows
I don't think I would earn myself a
thousand pounds per day - when I make a
thousand points per day I say have a
good day
don't do that so that's a normal day for
her - so so a personal question what would
you charge if you were camboy? - 
I wouldn't give it away for free you
know what I mean I think I think I'll
have to charge for I'm gonna set a price
that I'm comfortable with because I
think there's a lot of anxiety and risks
when you expose yourself out there so
you you might you might as well be
comfortable with what you're getting
paid I wouldn't go for .... -  would you charge
per minute or demand
gifts and donations? - I would open both
of these streams of Revenue I would
treat that as a business I'm gonna look
at the metrics and see what makes sense -
very smart answer, verry correct answer! well then we'll end up with the
last item and that's sex-positive porn
director Erica Lust gets kicked out of
YouTube Erica was famous for a tasteful
real-world female empowering sex films
on sites like X confessions and lust
cinema got kicked off YouTube, YNot and
motherboard report that she uploaded a
series of Safe-For-Work interviews with
sex workers. no actual sexual porn was
shown just sex workers recounting their
experiences. apparently she linked her
porn sites in video descriptions and
YouTube ban hammer came down in a fell swoop destroying her channel.  you think that
YouTube was responding to rigorous to
that because there's basically no sexual
scenes or something it's just sharing
stories and experiences - I'm actually a
fan of her work she for those unfamiliar
with her she does those very artsy kind
of movies she explores different
perspectives so there is more focus on
the female perspective in her work I
think she's an excellent filmmaker but I
do think that YouTube was consistent
with its rules and the way that it's
been handeling its censorship on its
platform it's been very kind of hostile
towards sexual content they always
advise that whatever appears on that
website should be appropriate for people
from all ages and in some cases there's
options to include a warning if there's
something there but I think that the
problem might have been to link to those
other websites that included you know
explicit content -
yeah because let's be honest there's a
lot of vintage porn to be found on
YouTube  - for sure there's actually that's
a big thing a lot of people are hosting
porn on YouTube but that goes undetected
yet they noticed it it would have
probably been taken down there is also
the factor to consider that YouTube
works with advertisers and there's been
series of controversies with with
basically ad problems when YouTube over
the past few years so they wanna be as
careful as possible and I do think
chances that it might have just been
taken down by an  A.I. the YouTube is what
Google is one of the leaders in machine
learning they use all sorts of AI so I
wouldn't be surprised that was just
picked up by the algorithm and removed - I
can understand that but you should be
able to talk freely about sex isn't it
no I agree with that and I I'm perfectly
sure that if you look on YouTube for
other videos there's lots of lots of
YouTube channels could talk about
sexuality openly - I mean for example I
remember like a few years ago there was
a lot to say about video content of
hip-hop artists for example that they
were way too x-rated but nowadays if you
look at like house videos it's basically
pretty much the same thing it's like
soft porn sometimes you know still it's
accepted and still it seems to be it
seems to be fine within the rules and
within the rules and perspectives of
YouTube that they still accept it - yeah I
think it's a it's a fundamentally
different issue I really do think that
probably I haven't read what the
youtubes
explanation for that case was but I
would really my my my money is on on the
problem being the link and that it's
leading to a website with explicit
content which might be problematic for
them
I think hear it hear it not it had not
been for that it might have just slipped
through I really I've really seen tons
of videos that that are sexual in nature
or at least suggestive highly suggestive
and they still get away with it
I think it was the link - cool well still
II updated for that nonetheless good
luck to Erika Lust because I've seen her
work as well and for what I see that
he's been doing he's doing a beautiful
thing - she's very talented I wish her the
best too and she was also in that
Netflix documentary recently
you know and
I can't remember the name of the
documentary but she was in one of the
episodes
hot girls wanted - ah yeah yeah -
well we were just were talking about your specific role at
TheNextWeb.com but what do you think is the most
extra interesting about exploring and
researching innovations in sex tech - it's
imagining how it would feel once it gets
to the point where it's where the
technology is polished in the user
experience is polished I think that I
haven't had I'm not a person that
experiences that experiments with toys
all that much but I like paying
attention to what's out there
actually the only toy I have kind of
played with is the Kiiroo's cooperation
with Kiiroo's collaboration with
Fleshlights on the on the Launch
I wrote a review on that on the next
web you should check it out it's called
how I outsourced masturbation to
automation if you want to find it well
yeah that's one of the things and then
the other thing is I really want to try
those toys once they're out there that's
the part I'm looking forward to - now do
you seek to experience all technologies
you write about in firsthand - most of the
times I would prefer to try out the
gadget or the technology that I'm
writing about before I cover it or at
least have a demo of sorts sometimes - so
basically with the previous article that
you were ta.... that we were talking
about you've experienced it yourself
so you know Kiiroo got in touch and they
send, sent us a review unit and I
tried it on and then I wrote about it
some other times if the technology is
tuned it's very early ages but it seems
promising I would be willing to take to
take a bet and perhaps write about that
technology if it's interesting enough
and I trust that the founders are
serious people who are really looking to
make a contribution to the space just a
personal question I like is it like you
experienced it firsthand or do you have
sometimes you see the fight shall be
like you know what I might call a friend
of mine might be into this , to let
him be the guinea pig would you like to
be the experience here on yourself - I
prefer to try things myself but if I if
I know that the technologies not suited
for myself like for example I know you
can probably use , Kiiroo has a
product called The Pearl,  it's a it's a
vibrator I think it's a Teledildonic vibrator
whatever you can use it if you wanted as
a guy it's just not my thing
so I would rather give it to a person
quite trust say quite trust and let them
try it out and then ask them for their
opinion - it's a coincidence that you've
been talking about that because later in
the show we'll be talking about the
Pearl2 as well and for those who've been
listening
just stay listening and you might be
able to win it but like I said more
about that later- w00p w00p - now
what's the craziest sex related concept
that you've ever come across beit a
device, piece of software, or service you
ever come across it - so actually you kind
of mentioned that earlier in the piece
it's definitely the sex robots I don't
know where they're going but that that
kind of space looks ridiculously
interesting to me because most of these
robots just look look look terrible
right now and it seems like it's gonna
be awful to you know have sex if I can
even call it call it that way with a
robot  - but isn't it just like development
I mean like practice makes perfect so
like of course the first example would
be like very robotic but it's the same
thing like the developments of the
internet right I mean remembered like
the first time we were using Internet
you was still hearing the sound like krrriiikrruuuukhiiiiiiiiii
nowadays it's not even it's not even
imaginable that it used to be like that
but yeah for sure there might be
something like that I won't be too
surprised if there's a shift at some
point where it becomes perfectly
acceptable and perhaps even many people
enjoy doing that I'd be interested to
see what happens I'm just I personally
want to try the robots before they get
at that point so I can at least
appreciate the progress that they've
done with the technology over time  - yeah
already experience one of the robots? - no I
haven't but though I heard there was a
robot and it was a doll museum in
Barcelona I wonder if they happen if
they have some of these robots I need to
check that out Im not sure if the museum
is still open I think they had some
problems
illegally but if it is I would love to
try that out - cool well actually
basically staying on to that topic do
you
own sexual preference and sexuality
play into how you see and use those
experience and certain tech innovations
so certainly in some opinion pieces I
think I do explain like I I'm I'm
straight so I do explain that I say what
I'm coming from I think I try to stay as
objective as possible and to take into
account as many different details and
perspectives when I'm doing those things
but I guess it does it I mean it's it's
almost like it's inseparable from from
Who I am in a way I live I'm a very kind
of open minded open-minded person that
I'm also very direct person yeah so I
don't really try to I it does that's the
short answer yeah - cool now we always
also thanks to Quora we had a set up a
few questions for you as well which were
more about virtual reality and augmented
reality one for example is as virtual
reality develops will it eventually be
possible for men or women to experience
what it's like to be the opposite sex
out of yourperspective? - I don't know how to answer
that question I would be an interesting
concept if it does I think it's a bit
it's very advanced it sounds because
then it's I don't even know where you
get when you start to the replicate that
experience but if it does work out be...
that would be something wouldn't it be? - I
think so right I think now you're quite
the authority on blockchain and hash tag
and hash graph technologies which
applications for blockchain and hash
graph technologies will become important
to Sex Tech, out of your perspective? - so
with cryptocurrency and blockchain stuff
one of the I guess most often used most
often mentioned use cases is micro
payments and cheap transactions and I
think that can be a lot of a lot of that
can be done with it can be used in in
the porn industry
for example the adult industry in
general you can make payments for like
anonymous payments with certain
cryptocurrencies other cryptocurrencies
you know just give you
option to stay private in other ways
then you have you have adult performers
who are working with donations and using
a cryptocurrency that has very low fees
can do a lot for those performers to
earn more I think I read recently in a
piece by motherboard that basically
mainstream mainstream adult performer 
websites these days charge up to 50
percent of the performers fees which is
a huge fucking hit on your streams of
revenue if you think about that with
cryptocurrencies there's promises to to
basically improve that to only 5% of
fees included or even even less but
we're far away from being able to handle
as many transactions as centralized
solutions like the standard websites
currently you can handle so it might
hurt the experience which again would
hurt their market in the in the first
place well then about that because
pornhub they announced that they would
start accepting crypto
do you think that Verge will be a
logical choice for them? - I have a funny
story about that so before the panca
converge it reviewed the end the
partnership that they had verge asked
its users to kind of do your
crowdfunding a bunch of money so they
can announce a partnership I wrote about
that because they thought it was very
problematic and then I I we did several
pieces of hard fork about the world
situation with pornhub the worse
situation with raising money and just
not letting know their users what kind
of partner what kind of partnership that
is because usually you announce the
partnership and then people start
investing because they trust your
partnership verge kind of reverse the
whole situation in a very curious way
and then I got an embargo from pornhub
steam they told me they usually give me
the information ahead of time which
basically gives me time to prepare a
piece and and publish it when it was
selected by them time and that's a very
standard practice in journalism but this
time around pornhub contacted me and
they said hey we have a big thing coming
it's actually related to blockchain we
would
to give you the information ahead of
time but we can't give you all the
details so they told me we're gonna be a
little secretive about it like they knew
that they had like like a real real
surprising state of the arts development
yeah that and then there is also some
legal perhaps some legal caveats with
cryptocurrencies because there's lots of
insider trading accusations going on
there's no legislation against insider
trading in cryptocurrency right now but
I guess they were just playing it safe
so they wanted to keep the lid on that
information for as long as possible to
prevent it from leaking and then you
know they gave me the information they
said we're gonna be launching a
cryptocurrency to draw whatever and at
some point it said it's gonna give our
users the option to buy premium
subscriptions anonymously it's actually
funny that first set we actually have
news about doing something with the
blockchain this time right yeah but it's
happening a lot in the in the toad space
but I let me finish my story so when
they mentioned it's an anonymous
cryptocurrency that limits down the
scope of the possible cryptocurrencies
they would be listing quite
significantly there's not that many
anonymous cryptocurrencies
and usually you would expect it to be a
mainstream solution like Bitcoin et reom
something like that so I knew it wasn't
gonna be any of these I was like did
they make a mistake and they just think
Bitcoin is anonymous I wouldn't put it
past them there in order to conceal
company and then I start thinking about
oh fuck what she's been planning to
announce something for anonymous but the
Bitcoin market does work in a way that
actually like normal things that
wouldn't be ethical to sell like on a
normal site like eBay it does give you
the possibility to track it because it's
hard to trace right yeah it's been it's
it's been used in cases like that but
recently people have been switching to
other cryptocurrencies which kept
private mechanisms built into them like
more narrow and Z cash for example but
the first situation again it's like um
so when pornhub told me that they're
adding cryptocurrency and then same week
as verjus collecting money to announce a
partnership I was like it seems like a
very big coinsidence it probably is a
very bitcoins
I don't think pornhub would work with
someone like verge who's been mired in
controversy and then there we go upon
her an hour before the pub the
partnership goes live
pornhub contacts me and they tell me
it's verge and yeah it was very
unexpected for me especially because
well she's got some problems they
recently had to heart for their network
because they were attacked stuff like
that it seems like there would have been
safer options so if that being the case
what crypto would you like to see them
work instead Manero would have made
sense I believe accepting manera would
have been fine but it's a private one as
well right yeah money here is a private
one so yes it's a different kind of it
has a different mechanism then then
Viraj but it's to a private token that
has good reputation within the space
even though some cryptographers I've
spoken with her worried that it was
built by people who don't have expertise
in cryptography necessarily but they do
seem to understand that like description
is it's very much value like yeah I'm on
arrow recently there were pieces that
it's been getting extremely popular
within the dark web which is the place
where you go if you want to buy
something legal or you know I mean it's
it's it's a it's a separate kind of
place on the Internet yeah well illegal
stuff dark web is not our cup of tea but
that's just opinion ycp us yeah of
course however if you're a were a
betting man on what cryptocurrency would
you place your cash when it comes to
finding broad adoption in the adult
answers 3 as a whole would it be the
money or I don't know I wouldn't say so
there's many Quito currencies that are
building products specifically for the
adult entertainment industry and it
would probably one of them might you
know just shape up to be a leader within
that space I don't know how close we are
at that point span change they're
getting a lot of a lot of buzz around
them I am not sure if they have a
working product last time I checked a
hearing
completed their working product they've
done some tests I would say they're
gonna have problems unless the Italian
Network skills up I know they're working
with some solutions that gonna make it
possible to handle more transactions you
know interactions on the platform but
that might be a problem but in any case
that they're getting they're doing the
right things in terms of marketing and
PR they're getting a lot of exposure so
they're in a good position to become one
of the leading companies through there
but there's more to it than just being a
friendly team right yeah for sure you
need to build the actual product and
work with the people working on your you
know using your platform and integrating
them into the process and improving on
your product so they can improve on
their work as well
interesting thank you for sharing those
fields now I was already I was already
mentioning that we had set up a few
extra questions from Chora and one of
them that's a very interested question
like dealing with the developments of VR
and AR as you might know in adult
industry which one eating would be more
successful that's a good question so if
you ask Apple I would think they would
probably say AR they're betting on
augmented reality quite a bit these days
if you ask a company that focuses on
virtual reality I'll probably you know
like like Facebook for example with
oculus you'll probably see that VR is
coming more important for the adult
industry VR to me makes more sense you
want in the end it lets you focus on the
porn exclusively you don't really have
to interact with you so you think that
virtual reality will have a more
profound impact on the adult
entertainment right now at that point
yes I don't know about the future I
can't really look up further both AR and
VR are in my specialty even though I try
to I try to stay updated but yeah my bet
is on VR but the there are two same that
same thing about five years from now
sure
VR has been trying to break into
mainstream for a while he has
so well AR isn't doing much better
either no that's true but I do see that
VR is taking on a new a new development
these days because like we've been
talking about VR since the 80s already
man yeah
Breakfast Club basically was one of the
first now not the movie but like The
Breakfast Club generation like the Brady
Bunch
actors I was already around that time
that you already saw some videos that
you saw like hey they might get virtual
reality into this stuff it's pretty
insane when you mentioned that in the
eighties because I remember one of the
first times I saw the concept of virtual
reality I saw it on on this Cartoon
Network show called I believe it was
called Jonny Quest or something like
that oh really yeah
but it was that it was a mad concept I
was like man this looks especially to a
child just imagine having something that
trans transports you to another world
actually to be honest like the worst
virtual reality experience that I've
seen was in a porn movie to be on the
porn movie that was in a porn movie I
don't know what the name of the porn
movie was because it was like one of
those late wasn't and it wasn't a
commercial broadcasting channel on
television so basically it was like uber
soft porn first off second off it was
about the invisible dude and he made it
like a virtual reality glass and given
to that technology they could experience
like all kinds of fantasies basically
was around the beginnings of the 90s
like ending the 80s or something like
that so what's really interesting one
thing I always wonder about virtual
reality though is like so when you
mentioned kind of you have that
environment where you can interact with
objects but at the same time you have to
code those how do you code and the
sticks that you kind of navigate ah the
touching pads yeah can you imagine for
example having a sex toy that is like
it's like it's like a sex toy and also a
joystick for controlling virtually are
you fucking multi multitasker you know
what I mean you only have that many
hands through that yeah well like I
think they will find a solution
they've been thinking about this really
well now our interesting thing as well
as like the ultimate avatar of VR and AR
it's like the simulation like the Danger
Room of x-men if not like the holodeck
on Star Trek how long do you think we
will see the real fully tactical real
version of that score take some time I
would say five ten years at least that's
how long and given the fact like I mean
like like I said the developments of VR
has been going on yes true I think I
think we're speeding up at that point
but no less than five ten years I would
say could be even longer I'm not the
right person to ask about that to be
honest but I think it's going to take
quite some time do you think it will be
a full sensory experience like touch
smell so the way I imagine those things
would happen is that it would happen it
stages or at least there's gotta be
different people working separately on
these these different sensory sensations
and then combining them together would
be the difficult part because you have
to create a system that handles all of
these well it's probably gonna be
expensive so chances are in the
beginning it might be like unusual
activity for you know like the cinema
was back in the day something like that
I don't know that's that's I think one
way it could take interesting
interesting and do you think it will
start it adult entertainment first or do
you see other people breaking a lance
for taking front of this like for
example like what will happen if like
for example Apple starts to take part in
this as well
yeah Apophis always been good at kind of
pushing new technology to the mainstream
there never the first to do something
but they would kit at the right time and
would have big impact I think gaming has
been doing a lot for virtual reality
there's and you know most people used
kind of shit on VR games about - a
couple of years ago but it I think it's
a there is also a change in the ways you
experience that sensation in the first
place it's like I think that's the
interesting part
would tend to enjoy things that they
haven't felt before or at least they
tend to enjoy them once they get used to
them and that's personally one of the
things that makes me excited about the
prospects of VR in porn oh then you know
any big players in the dog sphere like
anyone who stands out personally right
now - your opinion I I don't really
follow that duck klosty I know some some
VR producers who make VR porn but I just
know the names I haven't rechecked all
that much we are porn I did check one I
did I did try it out once but it was
with a phone kind of PR set it's not the
optimal feeling experience you know what
I mean I don't wanna I don't wanna
it's just not enough to have a good
opinion on that so mobile VR is much
more different than native fear you need
if you are a few has a mean it's just
the experience is a bit more polished
and you know ironed out it feels we only
think we will ever compete in the future
with negativity are I think more about
yeah is gonna get quite decent probably
it's never gonna be as good as the
standalone set or just you know
specialized in in VR but I don't see why
it why the technology wouldn't improve
to a point where you can have solid
commercial products for consumers
now other questions about coming from
Chora how do you see the teledildonics
evolving over the next decade will we
see more HAP taking kinesthetics
technology applied to section yeah
haptic and kinesthetic and probably
reactive in a way so you know what I
mean maybe maybe toys that kind of
adjust your genitals or something like
that there's been I've been watching I
didn't report on that myself I just saw
videos there was scientists with
developing basically plastic that kind
of can can morph and other fabrics that
came off for not sure if it was plastic
but it was definitely material that more
silicone perhaps can't
it was it might be would be that's a
good guess but I think that's one of the
things I mean I'm really not yeah there
might be there might be might be the
correct term I don't I don't know
exactly that's like a material that's
one she shaded it's still bullshit back
to like it used to be your so yeah I
guess it's similar to those it reminds
me of those those materials they use in
mattresses the new members the way our
authority yeah exactly
so probably works on the same principle
I would be interested to see how those
work out because it's nice to have the
option to customize your sex toy to your
tools
now there are not many payment
processors that allow adult content
creators to use them are the ones that
they do are they just sex positive and
part of the sex tape or are they also
success themselves I think they're part
of the sex tech ecosystem yes and I know
that you mentioned that I think that's
what cryptocurrency and blockchain can
make a difference assuming it overcomes
its technological challenges doubt that
you know prevent the technology from
currently being able to be used on a
normal production level I I do agree
that sex workers and sex but you know
adult content performers have been
having a lot of issues with mainstream
websites patreon for example recently
had some new policies that prevented a
bunch of adult content creators from
receiving donations and most of these
well not most but many of these people
for them that's a very important stream
of revenue it's what basically
guarantees that they can make rent
sometimes and it's important that we
have platforms that allow people to
support them in that way because in the
end that's that their lives it's
interesting because they're partying is
cracking down on pinup artist so nudity
is important but why do you think that
they are shifting to a sex negative
stance I don't know I I really don't
know I haven't looked at that story for
a while it happened months ago I believe
I can't remember the exact time but it's
been a while and eventually further
further for those who the who aren't
catching up with that which you
basically explain what happened
so at some point patreon here a
crackdown on its content which is a
result of which many a tote content
people were driven out of the platform
or they had their accounts suspended
which meant that and patreon is a
platform for donations it lets people
kind of make monthly or one-time
donations for creators so they can
support their art and enable them to
more and for some reason they yeah the
hair crackdown that affected a lot of
sex workers or people working the adult
content industry and there was a little
bit of social media outrage and you know
rightfully so I think patreon did not
give enough time to these people further
before that it kept them guarantees that
it turned kind of live up to I'm not
sure if it if patron changed his stance
since then I would certainly hope that's
the case it's fine enough contradictive
if we would think about it because like
new daddies it's been part of a creative
art and it's been part of art already so
why all of a sudden will they make a
change like that I I don't know I like
if you would speculate I wonder I
probably probably something related to
advertisers and investors and cleaning
out cleaning up their platform
there's spanking for example we
mentioned in earlier today apparently
even though that many people within the
blockchain space are interested in the
technology behind it
investors aren't really willing to take
any calls with them or talk about the
company because it's it's a taboo in a
way you know the sex industry is a taboo
the porn industry is a taboo don't
continue industry even though there's a
lot of money be made in porn industry or
not as much as it used to be due to like
the Rises of porn sites but there still
is a lucrative business yeah and here's
the thing like some some people and some
companies just want to keep their
profile clean and yesterday I was
telling a friend of mine I'm coming to
this podcast today and she works with
corporates quite often and when I told
her that and you know we get along with
her we talk about business stuff I don't
know it's a weird connection that we
have but she was like whoa man watch out
with what we're doing with your what's
your name I was like it never occurred
to me you would be problematic to appear
on a on a sex tech podcast in the first
place but to hurt that was a concern do
you feel the help will break those
tables with your articles
I think my article sometimes are a bit
too much in your face I mean I really I
like having fun with it and I hope it's
compelling people to be more open-minded
about it but I wonder sometimes if it's
if maybe there's a better approach to
kind of in talk to Nate people into
feeling okay with discussing sexual
content so basically that would be your
mission just to make it sure that it's
out there in the open without any taboos
about it whenever I cover sex Tech I
tried to that I try to make it more of a
less of a less of an exotic kind of idea
and more of a human thing because we all
in the end you know we all have we all
do our own things with somehow we always
we all have sexual experiences we should
be able to discuss those openly and if
it happens that some of us are also
building products so we can for that you
know for the adult industry we should be
able to receive to help you know an
equal an equal opportunity to succeed
unfortunately you are always going to
have to deal with changing people's
opinion on that there's nothing you can
do about that
I just hope with time we we start being
more accepting of that right now if you
would be an active player in the field
of sex tag what if and should be
aspiring for you should you look at
conventions like aro frame and avian
offense or should you look at CES for
example I I'm not an event person to
tell you frankly I absolutely hate the
event experience it's so cluttered and
it's a it's a it's a breeding ground for
fucking I don't know how to put heat
exchanges with with companies because
when you go there it's full of product
pitches you don't really get to have a
human kind of experience you want to
Indian you want to talk it out openly
you want to be able to talk with someone
who's gonna tell you what the problems
they're facing are not just give you a
30 minute 30 second pitch and move on to
the next person then there is also the
whole thing with a shitload of people
just clustered in one room and it's hot
and warm and everyone is sweaty I don't
depends to start with alright them
better maybe a better question what are
the best sex offense to your experience
into Europe I haven't been twenty of
Jesus quite frankly I wish I haven't had
never been invited to one either that's
perhaps why I haven't attended but maybe
let's just put it in perspective like
let's create the hypothesis that you
would be an active player in that field
if I was to make the event yeah I think
his uh his almost like a Hollywood feel
to it I want something that's a bit more
personal and kind of expose these people
who work in the industry on the edges of
the industry in a way just working with
interesting technological things I
obviously prefer the tech spin because
I'm familiar with that there could be
other ways other things to explore on
the edges of the industry I would assume
but that would be my choice I think it
would be about technology and I would
try to make it a lot about experience in
the technology so setting up demos you
know letting the creators explain how
the technology works before that but a
small scale something more personal in
feel so you still have the feeling that
right now events are a bit too a bit too
large making it impossible to give them
a personal experience
there's certainly different events with
within the space different sizes to
different fields my experience I've more
I've been to the most most events I've
attended they've been big ones and it's
very busy and kind of it's always a rush
it geez so yeah I can't speak for the
other ones
nice and just one personal question if
there is one development during sextet
which is about to reach the market
anytime soon or sooner or later what's
the one thing for us to keep an eye on I
have to go back to what I mentioned
earlier today it's it's that sex toy
that you can use both as a choice you
can use a sex toy that's that's one of
the things I'm really excited about I
just wonder who gistic Lee how that
works how it looks
how it feels whether it's you know
whether it's a good substitute for a
hand yeah that's what I'm excited about
oh and I wonder how it's gonna be
different from women in for women and
men and you know for other other options
if they're gonna be a table for two I
just wonder how the adoptees alright
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