

### Interview With Jesus:

### God's Attributes & Qualities

### By

### Jesus (AJ Miller)

### Session 1

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### This ebook is a transcript of an interview that took place on 24th May 2012 in Wondai, Australia, between Jesus (also known as AJ Miller) and Luli Faber. In this interview Jesus discusses the nature, origin and location of God, the primary attributes of God, including Divine Love, Divine Truth, humility, power, wisdom, intelligence and simplicity, and how to receive Divine Love in order to learn about God, grow towards God, and assimilate God's qualities.

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Table of Contents

1. Introduction

2. Discovering the existence of God

3. Determining whether God is the only God

4. The age of God

5. The location of God

6. The size and make-up of God

7. God's qualities and attributes inside and outside the universe

7.1. Divine Love

7.1.1. Receiving Divine Love is receiving a part of God into our soul

7.1.2. Other types of substances from God that may transform us in the future

7.2. God's Laws are the framework of creation

7.3. The nature of Divine Truth

7.4. God is continuing to grow in Love

7.5. The origin and nature of God's complete Soul

8. God's primary attributes and qualities have sub-attributes

8.1. The primary quality of Divine Love

8.1.1. Attributes of love have distinct colours, smells and sounds

8.1.2. We can only receive Divine Love directly from God

8.2. The primary qualities of Divine Truth and humility

8.3. The primary quality of power

8.4. Love is inherent in every quality of God

9. God's attributes and qualities can be discovered and absorbed by receiving Divine Love

9.1. Becoming more like God's nature is an indicator of progression

9.2. The primary qualities of intelligence and wisdom

9.3. Receiving God's Love enables us to get to know God

9.4. Becoming more like God's nature is an automatic result of receiving Divine Love

9.4.1. An example of growing in passion and desire

9.5. God's qualities are present throughout the universe

9.6. Discovering God's attributes by developing a relationship with God

9.7. Developing a relationship with God creates change

10. God's primary qualities of change and personality

10.1. The primary quality of change

10.2. God's personality

10.2.1. Humour is a sub-attribute of God's personality

10.2.2. Aspects of our personality grow and change as we receive Divine Love

11. God's primary quality of power (continued)

11.1. God has created layers of power within the universe

11.2. Understanding the hierarchy of power shows us where to focus to have the greatest effect

12. God's primary quality of simplicity

13. The quality of God of wanting a relationship with everyone

13.1. Receiving Divine Love via the Holy Spirit

13.2. Conditions for forming a relationship

13.3. How God feels about receiving our love

13.3.1. Milestones in our relationship with God

14. Communicating with God through prayer

14.1. Prayer is a particle that travels from our soul to God's Soul

15. Closing Words

15.1. Audience discussion regarding prayer

1. Introduction

Interviewer: Okay, so, today we're here with AJ to talk about God's attributes and qualities.

AJ: Who are you here with, Luli? (Laughter)

Interviewer: We're here with AJ Miller.

AJ: Who are you with, Luli? (Laughter)

Interviewer: I'm with Jesus. (Laughter)

AJ: I see you still haven't dealt with your emotions, hey? (Laughter)

Interviewer: Not all of them. (Laughter)

AJ: You want to start again? (Laughter)

Interviewer: Yeah, sure. (Laughter) Alright, okay, so today we're here with... (Laughter)

AJ: You don't have to say Jesus. (Laughter)

Interviewer: Oh, thank God! (Laughter)

AJ: You can say AJ, that's fine.

Interviewer: Oh, thank you!

AJ: Just stirring you. (Laughter)

Interviewer: Okay. (Laughter)

Participant: Yeshua is sometimes easier for us to say than Jesus too, but that's still an injury, isn't it?

AJ: Yeah, it is. Very few people have dealt with the issue still. It's interesting that the media keeps going back to that 2010 talk that I did called, "I'm Jesus, deal with it," and yet nobody who's still listening to me has really dealt with it, (laughs) which is okay. What's your background, Luli?

Interviewer: I was a neuroscientist, and currently I'm not working.

AJ: You're currently not working? You're currently living nearby us as well, aren't you?

Interviewer: I am, growing vegetables.

AJ: Growing vegetables instead of being a neuroscientist. An interesting change. It's not the only thing you're doing though.

Interviewer: No, I'm quite busy at the moment actually.

AJ: Exactly. (Laughs)

2. Discovering the existence of God

Interviewer: Okay, so I've got a lot of questions. This interview could take infinity. But just to start off with, I feel like we should cover evidence that there actually is a God. When I met you I was an atheist scientist.

AJ: You were an atheist scientist. Do you mind my asking you why you were an atheist? Had you given it much thought?

Interviewer: I just put all my faith in science really, and evolution. I felt that there were other things...

AJ: Unknown things?

Interviewer: Yeah, but I thought that science would explain the lot.

AJ: Right, and science would be able to explain those other things from a purely physical investigation of science? Is that what you felt?

Interviewer: Eventually, yeah. So then I met you and started implementing your teachings to get in touch with my feelings and long for Divine Love.

AJ: May I ask you what caused you to do that? It's a pretty unusual thing for somebody to do right at the beginning.

Interviewer: Well, I did have a history of doing yoga so I had experienced chi flow and things like that. I was interested in that kind of thing.

AJ: Is it also because you're a scientist and you love experimenting? Is that a part of it as well?

Interviewer: Yeah, and because you said you could explain the secrets of the universe. I said, "Yes, thank you! I'll come and listen to that." That was what got me interested. And I was just intrigued because you said you were Jesus. You explained that the way to find out whether there was a God was to connect to your feelings and long for Divine Love, and I did that, and then I started receiving Divine Love, and then that convinced me at the time that there is a God that exists. So, is it possible to prove that there is a God through experimentation and not just through a subjective experience?

AJ: Definitely, of course. You would think that would be the case wouldn't you? Yes, there are ways to experiment with God's existence scientifically, rather than actually doing it on a personal level. The difference between the two is that if you do it on a personal level you enter this personal relationship with God, which you've started to discover, whereas if you do it on a purely scientific level you could find out that a God exists but still not have a personal relationship with that Being. So while the experimental process can be a valid way of discovering the truth of God's existence, it's not a very valid way of demonstrating or developing a relationship with that God.

AJ: There are many scientists who have passed over into the spirit world who do believe now that there is a God but they still do not have a personal relationship with that God. In fact, they have a viewpoint that God is so large, potentially, that they feel it's probably impossible to have a personal relationship with that God. When you're in the spirit world and you speak with different spirits with a scientific background who come from Earth, you often find that they do believe there is a God. Particularly by the time they've reached the sixth dimension many of them do believe there is a God, but they find it very difficult to accept that you can have a personal relationship with that God.

AJ: The beauty of experimenting with the personal relationship is discovering that a personal relationship is possible very early in the piece. But you also gain a lot of extra knowledge and your viewpoint widens very rapidly with regard to the types of experiments you could actually undertake, as you've discovered yourself. What you're now doing with the God's Way of Love Soul Team is experimenting with different scientific principles with regard to emotions, which is something that not very many scientists do until they're well into the spirit world, into the upper dimensions of the spirit world. [00:09:28.22]

Interviewer: Is it your intention to try and prove, while on Earth, that God does exist?

AJ: Well, I suppose you could say there's two parts to my intention of returning to Earth. One part is yes, to prove that God does exist, but while proving God does exist has a benefit to mankind, it doesn't actually have much personal benefit to the individual. So there is the second part, which is proving that a personal relationship with God can actually be developed and also causes major changes within the individual themselves, in the way they develop and their power to do different things. It's very important to understand that even though we may believe there is a God it doesn't necessarily mean that that belief will translate into a relationship with God.

AJ: And so this is why I feel it's very important for most people to understand that we can develop methods to discover scientifically whether God exists or not and even to discover whether the spirit world or the other dimensional spaces which I've referred to exist. We can design experiments to scientifically prove the existence of those dimensional spaces, however even if we provide that evidence and proof, it doesn't necessarily mean that the person will have a personal experience with God and actually engage this process of personal growth, and what I'm trying to do is encourage both of those things, not just one.

AJ: In terms of answering your question about scientific experiments that you could perform to examine whether God exists or not, many of those experiments involve things that mankind are currently limited in, in terms of the way they experiment. For example, some of them involve the discovery of new particles that we will need to discover through some scientific experiments that are based around physics. Other experiments will be based around the emotions (and this has already begun on Earth), experimenting with the transmission of information via emotions between, for example, a mother and a child and between people in different locations on Earth and to see what kind of instantaneous effect that that has. And through those kinds of experiments you'll discover that we can transmit thoughts and feelings faster than the speed of light and so therefore we discover that the speed of light is not the limiting factor in terms of communication and transportation.

AJ: And through a number of other different experiments that we could undertake, we can find that there has to be a Creator of these particular things. However I feel that those experiments are very complicated in comparison to the experiment that you undertook at my suggestion right at the beginning of the process of meeting me. And that experiment is very simple and very easy to undertake. It doesn't require much setup, and it doesn't require any measuring instruments other than your own feelings and emotions and sensations in your own physical form. As you have known and worked on yourself, there is an effect on your brain and on your body that can be measured. So if we have the appropriate apparatus we could actually measure those effects initially, and therefore prove quite rapidly that a personal relationship with God is available and therefore God must also exist. [00:13:12.03]

Interviewer: Okay. So we'll just assume that God does exist for the purpose the rest of this conversation.

AJ: Yes, I suppose you need to. The question of God's existence is a completely different subject and I feel that it's a subject that is worthy of attention and worthy of discussion and I feel at some point in the future we'll provide some information about experiments that can be undertaken to prove the existence of the spirit world, multidimensional spaces, God's existence and people in other forms existing, as well as answering a lot of other questions that I've been putting forward as statements about Divine Truth.

3. Determining whether God is the only God

Interviewer: Is it possible that there's not just one God and that God is a child of another God?

AJ: Well, that is possible, but answering the question is very, very difficult and the best thing I can say about those kinds of questions is that they are yet to be resolved, and as a result of that there is the possibility of the potential of it existing. It's like most questions, there are groups of questions that we can resolve quite rapidly and then there are other groups of questions that are very, very difficult to resolve because of their nature. The questions surrounding God and how God came into existence are very, very difficult to resolve because we have no strong way of being able to measure how God came into existence. It's like the creation trying to understand the Creator.

AJ: Imagine for a moment you made a car and you built the car and then you asked the car to understand you. Now, it would be very, very difficult for the car to understand you without having your intelligence, your feelings, your emotions, your capacity to absorb information. Obviously anything you create will probably not have the same capacity as yourself, and for that reason, the thing you create will find it very difficult to understand you completely, even if it has intelligence, even if you've given it intelligence, the way, a method of examining through experimentation or through personal relationship. Either method, it's still going to be quite difficult to understand some parts of the person who created you. [00:15:46.07]

4. The age of God

Interviewer: So, this is probably another one of those questions but I'm going to ask anyway: God created the universe and the universe is 13.7 billion years old?

AJ: Yeah, the physical universe that we exist in currently is close to 14 billion years old, shall we say as a round figure? But do not assume that that is the only universe that has ever been created. There could potentially be universes side-by-side to each other, physically in space; that is a potential as well. So we can't say that the only universe that was ever created is 14 billion years old. We can only say that due to different scientific measurements that we can currently make, we can make some assumptions based on different theories and then base the age of the current physical universe as around about 14 billion years old. [00:16:40.02]

Interviewer: Okay, so how old does that make God?

AJ: Well obviously God has to be older than that. For God to have created the universe itself; God has to be older than the universe itself. Also, it makes sense if you look at it, that if God created the physical universe and the other dimensional spaces then God has to exist outside of those dimensional spaces and outside of that universe. It doesn't mean that God can't get into the universe somehow, because there's a possibility of that occurring. Just like you can create a car and then you can jump inside it and use it, there is also the possibility that God could do a very similar thing, create a universe and then jump inside the universe and utilise it in some way.

AJ: However being that the universe existed after God, we would have to assume from that that God has to be older than that universe and also greater in power than the universe that was created, and also utilising other forms of energy which we have yet to discover to create that universe as well. There are quite a number of things we can assume once we start understanding that God is an entity and we also understand that God existed before the universe created. [00:17:58.12]

AJ: No idea at all how old God is. At this stage my presumption is that God is possibly infinite in time and I don't understand yet emotionally or intellectually how that could be the case but there is no other possible presumption if you think about it. Because it's a bit like if God as an entity does exist, then it explains the universe's spontaneity in terms of coming into existence, but how did God come into existence? It would not make sense that intelligence came from no source. And obviously, if you look at the intelligence in the universe and all of the laws involved in the universe that we currently have, the physical laws as well as the other laws that mankind has yet to discover, all tend to indicate a highly intelligent being in terms of creation of the universe. And if that is the case, then where did that intelligence come from if it spontaneously came into existence? It doesn't make much sense.

AJ: So we don't really know those particular things about God. All we can do is examine God's creation and, through this personal relationship with God, discover quite a lot of God's attributes and qualities that way. My assumptions at this point in time are that God has existed infinitely and that God has an infinite number of qualities to actually discover. That being the case, I will spend the rest of my existence discovering them. But I will also, during that period, find a lot of answers about the universe itself that I live in; myself, you and other people, how we all exist, how we all function. And there is the large potential of myself, and each person who's ever existed, growing to such condition that we know large amounts about the universe and large amounts about ourselves and large amounts about each other, but still know, in comparison, quite a small amount about God. [00:20:09.14]

5. The location of God

Interviewer: Is it that God is located outside the universe, in one particular place, or all around?

AJ: Well since it's impossible for me to get outside of the universe myself, and impossible for any being God has created in fact at this point in time to exist outside of the universe, it's impossible also to answer the question as to where God's presence is outside of the universe, in terms of its localised place. It is possible though to answer the question as to how that presence is felt and how that presence is observed throughout the universe. It's possible to discover and answer those kinds of questions but I do not believe it is possible at this point to answer the question of where God's localised existence is, assuming God is an entity of some form, outside of the universe. We can only assume through our logical reasoning that God must exist outside the universe if the universe was created after God existed.

Interviewer: You said it's possible for God to come into the universe. Has God ever come into the universe that you know of?

AJ: God comes in the universe constantly.

Interviewer: Parts of God or all of God?

AJ: Parts of God come into the universe constantly. I'm pretty sure that if God entered the universe fully we would all...

Interviewer: ... be squashed.

AJ: Not so much squashed because it depends on the condition that we're in and whether we're at-one with God or not as to whether we could absorb that energetically. My feelings are that God at this point has not ever fully entered the universe, and in fact God's Love, one of God's major attributes, has never fully entered the universe at this point either. And again, if we assume that God is infinite in nature and therefore God's qualities must be infinite in nature, we can see that it would be impossible for God's infinite Love to enter the universe without it being a gradualised process, where it gradually increases in its intensity to a certain point. For God's Love to enter the universe all at once would be a physical impossibility as well.

6. The size and make-up of God

Interviewer: God is obviously massively large, you assume?

AJ: We assume. When we say massively large it'd probably be better to remember that God is obviously made up of different dimensional matter than we are made up of. It's the same with regard to us when we create some kind of object ourselves, that is, any object that we have around us that we create ourselves. It is created in a slightly different way. For instance, the whiteboard or the recording material, your own paper, all of those kinds of things, they are physical matter still, they are all still atomic structures, with very, very rapidly rotating energy particles, but the matter that's in your body is very different because it has the ability to live. There's a breath of life that exists in it, whereas the breath of life in the paper, for example, has disappeared. With anything that man creates at this point in time, none of it really seems to have the breath of life in it, whereas all the things that God has created all seem to have a breath of life in them. There's the inanimate stuff that does not seem to have that breath of life but there's the animate stuff that all seems to have a breath of life, going from very, very small single cell organisms right the way up through the food chain I suppose you could call it, to man himself or woman herself. We've all got this living structure, this living material, and life seems to be able to exit and enter those materials somehow, and man still really hasn't discovered how that occurs.

AJ: But to me that proves a lot about how God uses material. There's obviously material that is inanimate in its nature; it still degrades and it shifts in its form. There is animate material in its nature as well, that seems to be animated through some kind of pulling together from some kind of structure into a living form. And we can assume God's form must be greater than all of these living forms placed together, and that God Herself must also have a living form of some kind, but it has to exist outside of the dimensional spaces that we currently exist in, so therefore it must be of a different type of nature of living form than we are currently able to conceive. [00:24:58.26]

Interviewer: So you don't know what God is made of or what God looks like?

AJ: No, even after 2,000 years of existence. I'm also still struggling to understand a lot of information in the spirit world, the different particles that exist in the universe, and there is the potential of even more particles yet to be discovered in the universe, without discovering the particles that exist outside of the universe which God must be made up of. That's a whole different, scientific set of experiments that are way beyond my current emotional and intellectual capacity to understand and grasp.

Interviewer: Okay, so I think I'm ready to move on to questions that you're going to be able to answer.

AJ: No worries.

Interviewer: Sorry, but I had to ask those other ones.

AJ: It's very important to ask those questions because we can spend a lot of time postulating and theorising about things like that when the reality is, I feel, that there are many more important questions to ask. And the reality is also that if we initially spend a lot of time theorising about questions that obviously logically are going to be very, very difficult, then it seems to be a fair bit of a waste of our time. We need to get firstly onto the questions we can answer and then use those questions that we can answer as a platform to discover the questions that we cannot answer. [00:26:21.24]

7. God's qualities and attributes inside and outside the universe

7.1. Divine Love

Interviewer: Is Love a substance of God that's actually part of God?

AJ: Yes, it's a substance of God. Divine Love, what I'm calling Divine Love, is a substance that exists within God. It's separate to the universe itself. It does not exist in the universe itself without it being transmitted from God to a soul in the universe. It can exist in the universe only through transmission from God whereas natural love, which is a different form of love, a different substance again, can be transmitted between yourself and myself and we do not need to involve God in the transmission of that particular substance. And in fact every single emotion that we actually have is a substance of some kind and therefore it makes sense that one of the emotions that transforms our soul, which is God's Love, must also be a substance.

7.1.1. Receiving Divine Love is receiving a part of God into our soul

Interviewer: So when we receive Divine Love we're actually receiving a part of God into us?

AJ: Yes.

Interviewer: And that's part of the reason why our soul expands?

AJ: Exactly, it's a particle. It's obviously a particle that exists from a physical, physics perspective, a particle that enters us that, due to the way God's designed our soul, has the ability to make it transform into a new creature. It's very different from all other substances that can enter our soul because all other substances that come from within our universe that enter our soul, and there are many of those, cannot transform us into anything beyond what our original nature was created to be. So it's a very, very different type of substance.

7.1.2. Other types of substances from God that may transform us in the future

AJ: In fact my assumption is that God may have other types of substances besides God's Love that could potentially enter us as well and transform us in a different direction, but I've yet to fully discover those substances. I have some assumptions about some of those substances and I'm experimenting with the ability to absorb them but as yet I have not personally discovered other substances that could have the same transforming effect. [00:28:33.02]

Interviewer: What do you think they are?

AJ: Well, one that comes to mind immediately is Wisdom, as a substance from God, in that if you examine the universe very, very carefully you can see that it is very, very complex in its nature and it's full of highly developed intelligence. And even if we look at our Earth we can see the intelligence required to design a physical form of any kind, such as an animal, a dog, a cat or a human body. There are huge amounts of intelligence involved in creating such a form and that being the case, there must be huge amounts of intelligence available inside of God. Now as you receive Divine Love your capacity to absorb intellectual things or absorb knowledge grows and so we have the capacity to understand the things intellectually but the wisdom of how to use them together and to create a framework in which they all operate together without self-destruction, without anarchy, this is an entirely different set of things that constrain the physical universe. And so, from my perspective, I see discovery in two different areas really that are important.

7.2. God's Laws are the framework of creation

AJ: Firstly there's the discovery of what the creations are themselves, and I'm always fascinated by any discovery in that direction, but there's also the discovery of the laws that constrain or control the creation, or constrain the universe in which we exist. And those laws seem to have a different nature altogether. They are like a framework that exists without a physical form, but they must have some kind of form, some kind of energetic structure to exist. Very much like the Law of Gravity, for example; it is created through mass creating gravity and so we know that if we have a small mass then there's a small amount of gravity. If we have a large mass then there's a larger amount of gravity. And these other laws must also exist in a similar form that we can at some point measure but it appears there are an infinite number of those laws, and that to me is another fascinating area of examination.

AJ: So examination of the laws is even more interesting than the examination of the creation that the laws create. And I see it as the creation, and then there's the laws that constrain the creation. If you think of it like a layers of an onion, there's the internal layer, which is the creation itself, then there's the outside layer which is the laws, or the structure that actually control that creation. And in the universe we've discovered many of those laws; many of them pertain to love, but I still feel that there are many more of those laws to discover. And as we discover more of those laws we may find that there is another layer that controls the laws somehow before we even get to the layer that allows us to understand God completely. These are all just assumptions that we can make based on what's already been discovered and using that as a foundation to go ahead with further discovery. [00:31:55.21]

Interviewer: What's God's Law made of? Is it an intention of God?

AJ: Well yes, I feel quite strongly that again it must be made up of a substance of some kind, some kind of energy or substance. It has to have existed before the universe came into existence, so therefore it has to be made up of a similar type of substance that God is made up of if you think about it, in some way, or a substance closer to the substance that God is made up of, and this is why my real fascination is more with the laws than it is with the physical examination of creation. Physical creation is obviously made up of a completely different substance to what God is made up of because it existed after God existed, so therefore was created by God. But before those physical substances came into existence the laws had to have come into existence, so therefore they have to be made up of a different type of substance that is present within the universe, although the laws have to be present for the universe to operate and force the universe to conform to God's intentions or desires.

AJ: For that reason we could then presume that the laws have to be closer to God's nature than physical creation is, and so that's why my areas of investigation, right from shortly after I discovered the whole process of receiving Divine Love, have been focused more upon the laws and God's nature, in terms of the feelings that I could feel from God, than on the physical investigation of life itself and matter on Earth or matter in the physical world. [00:33:38.08]

7.3. The nature of Divine Truth

Interviewer: So Divine Truth isn't a substance of God?

AJ: You could say Divine Truth is more like a constraining force upon the substances. Something is either true or not true. There is no in-between with God. Quite often when I was growing up I had different persons say to me that they felt that there was white and black when it came to answers, and then there were hundreds of levels of shades of grey and they likened it to how the human eye can see, I think, a thousand and twenty four shades of grey. And they basically likened morality and other issues as shades of grey with white and black on either end. My feelings with God though are that there is just white or black in the sense of answers; there is a truthful answer or a non-truthful answer.

AJ: While we're discovering the truth there will be shades of grey. One of the discussions I would love to have, and we'll do an interview of shortly, will be about the qualities of truth, because it's very important to answer the questions about the qualities of truth before you can really answer other questions. Even questions about God can't really be answered without understanding the qualities of truth. We probably need to discuss the qualities of truth as a different topic at some point. But if you examine truth, truth either is or is not. There are only two potential options: something being true or not true. We can slowly discover more of it but on any particular subject we will eventually arrive at "It is" or "It is not"; one of those two things. Now, there doesn't have to be a substance for that truth to exist. For that reason I personally feel that truth is not a substance as love or other emotions are a substance. However truth is emotional in the sense that without understanding love and other emotions, we will never come to an understanding of truth. [00:36:04.07]

Interviewer: So when the truth enters our soul, that's an emotional experience, but that's not a substance of God entering us?

AJ: No, I don't feel it's a substance. Often as the truth enters us, the substance of God's Love also enters us at the same time; it's very, very hard to separate the two from each other. So while we're receiving Divine Love, at the same time we're automatically having these amazing realisations of truths that we didn't understand before and so we can't really divorce the two, Divine Truth and Divine Love, from each other. But I am sure that Divine Truth is able to exist and be discovered without Love yet being felt.

AJ: For example, this is very much like a scientist going through an experiment, not feeling anything about the actual end result of the experiment but discovering that there is such a thing as gravity as a truth. And then later on after further experiments discovering there is another Divine Truth, which is the truth of aerodynamics, that in an atmosphere we have the possibility of creating a certain shape and therefore creating lift and therefore lifting above the ground, if we have enough power. The scientist who discovered it might go through many emotional experiences doing that, which will be based on his desire and passions and so forth, but the truth itself about the Law of Gravity or the Law of Aerodynamics hasn't entered him as an emotion, it's just entered him as a belief, a trust that he has that he can rely upon that particular thing. So I feel that while truths will enter us after we've processed certain emotions, there is the possibility to discover certain truths without having gone through an emotional experience. [00:37:58.28]

7.4. God is continuing to grow in Love

Interviewer: If God is infinite and then we can all receive God's Love in theory for an infinite amount of time, does that mean God is growing in Love?

AJ: Yes, of course.

Interviewer: Do you know if God is expanding? Has God had to develop in Love?

AJ: Even though I said previously, within the constraints of this discussion, where I have not been able to discover the substance of God and those kinds of things at this point in time, I would have to answer definitely that God is expanding. The reason I have to answer that way is that every single thing in the universe that does not grow eventually degrades and changes its condition and so growth is a law of the universe.

AJ: The universe itself grows, it continually expands, even dimensionally, so new dimensions are added to the universe in a fairly consistent manner based even on the growth of an individual. An individual can grow and actually get to the point that they create, through their growth, a new dimension and that dimension will grow as new individuals enter that same state. Then that first individual, or others, may grow to a new state and they create even new dimensions that are even greater than the one that they just created and the same process multiplies.

AJ: Seeing all of these things happen over two thousand years, I have to say that God must be definitely growing. You would then have to say that God must be definitely growing in all sorts of characteristics and traits and attributes, not just in one trait or attribute. So God's Love must be growing, God's Wisdom must be growing, God's Power must be growing and so forth, just like when I go through the same process of receiving Divine Love from God, my soul grows and my power grows, my understanding grows, my knowledge grows, my wisdom grows, my empathy grows, my compassion grows; all these other qualities grow. [00:40:05.00]

7.5. The origin and nature of God's complete Soul

Interviewer: As we talked about in the interview on "The Human Soul - Attributes and Qualities" last week, God creates us as whole souls which then split in two, and you've drawn God as a whole soul on the board in many of your talks. Do you know if God ever was two halves and then formed one?

AJ: I can't say for certain what God was before the universe itself that I'm a part of existed, obviously. We can only make certain presumptions. Some of those presumptions will be more likely than other presumptions. But it is quite obvious that God does have feminine and masculine characteristics and traits, otherwise those traits couldn't exist in the universe She or He created. It does make sense that those traits must exist inside of God; that is certainly the case. And the closer I've become to God, the closer I've become to each side of God, in terms of the masculine and feminine sides of God. Unfortunately, the way God is portrayed on Earth is usually very masculine in nature and as a result of that there is very little femininity, Divine Femininity, portrayed on Earth at all. I feel that will change in the coming years, but that is something that does need to change so that people can understand God's nature much better than they currently do.

AJ: So in answer to the question, yes I do believe that God does have feminine and masculine qualities and characteristics because I've felt both of such and I've observed them in the creation of the universe. However, I don't know whether that means that God at some point had a separated nature just like we did, that was growing together through a process. In other words, I don't know if God has gone through the process we are currently going through to become God, because I don't know how God became God.

Interviewer: Fair enough. So what are some of the masculine qualities of God versus the feminine qualities of God?

AJ: What if we first discuss what the qualities of God are and then we can start allocating the masculinity and femininity? Masculinity and femininity is in itself quite an interesting discussion in terms of what defines masculinity and what defines femininity and so forth, but I feel that that is a very, very separate discussion to what are God's attributes and qualities. And then maybe we need to proceed as to which one of those qualities are feminine or masculine.

8. God's primary attributes and qualities have sub-attributes

AJ: I was thinking we could perhaps start looking at the primary qualities. Now, it's interesting that pretty much all of God's qualities have what I would call sub-attributes and qualities to them. It's a bit like; you have a thing inside of you called an eye. That thing, which can be described in its own form, has a certain type of shape and a certain type of size. What could we say about a person's eye?

Interviewer: It's round.

AJ: It's completely round, isn't it? Everyone's eye is the same, pretty much, unless it's been deformed in some way or they've lost it. It has a retina. The eye is what you would call the object, and the retina and round shape are its attributes. And even parts of the eye have attributes of their own; the retina itself has attributes of its own, as it has rods and cones, some of which determine gradients of light, and others of which determine colour. But the retina itself doesn't do that; it converts it all into electrical signals, so that's another attribute and quality.

Like God's attributes and qualities, the object of the eye has attributes, which themselves also have sub-attributes and so forth

AJ: So we can pick an object in the body, for example the eye, and we can then describe its attributes, but inside of each one of those attributes we could then go and describe another series of attributes of that particular thing. And then, it makes sense of course, that at some point we'll be able to go "Okay, let's look at the rods and the cones in the retina of the eye." We know that there's rods and cones, and I think it's the cones that look at the colour and the rods that look at the gradients of light, and then we could describe them as having sub-attributes and so forth. And you can see that if you really take this down to the infinite in terms of miniaturisation, there is the potential that each particular thing we could describe has another whole series of attributes and qualities to that particular thing. Well let's now apply that theory to God's nature. [00:45:31.09]

8.1. The primary quality of Divine Love

AJ: Let's examine God's Nature. Let's start with the primary thing we know about God's nature, which is this Divine Love. When we start describing love what qualities do we see? You might have a part of love is called kindness. But that's not the only part of love; by analogy with the eye example you could say love is the object, and kindness is an attribute that describes part of that object. Now kindness itself could be described separately. What other qualities does love have? You have compassion, and that has its own qualities and nature. You have mercy, which has its own qualities and nature. And we could keep listing parts of love; these are all a part of love's attributes and qualities, and they themselves have attributes and qualities of their own. Every single one of those. And if we start analysing what that could describe we may even go deeper and deeper into each thing, even right down to the actual colours. [00:46:57.09]

Divine Love is a major quality of God, which has certain attributes, which in turn have sub-attributes and so forth

8.1.1. Attributes of love have distinct colours, smells and sounds

AJ: One thing that mankind hasn't discovered on Earth very much at this point, is that each one of these qualities has a colour associated with it, and it has a sound associated with it, and it has a smell associated with it; it has all these other attributes associated with these particular emotions. When you enter the spirit world you become a bit more sensitive to all of those things, you actually see the colour. When somebody has a feeling of kindness you see a colour coming out of the person of a specific type that's a part of love, which you see interblended with love, but you see it as a different type of quality and it has a smell, an odour; it's a very aromatic odour in the case of kindness; you can smell the odour of kindness. You can actually smell it on the person and also coming out of the person. And you can hear it as well, as a sound. It has a melody to it, a, a musical song if you like, and so forth. It has all of these attributes and qualities that we've yet to discover on Earth.

AJ: This is why love feels so good; because when somebody is kind to you, for a lot of people when they first experience kindness they are overwhelmed with grief because they don't realise at that point in time that their soul is not just actually feeling the emotion of kindness, but there's a song of kindness, the melody of it, there's the smell of it and the taste of it and the colour of it, and everything is being absorbed by the soul at that point. [00:48:29.18]

Interviewer: Is this natural love and Divine Love?

AJ: Yes it is similar with natural love and Divine Love but Divine Love has different colours to natural love.

8.1.2. We can only receive Divine Love directly from God

AJ: It would also make sense that every single attribute and quality of God has its own odour, its own colour, and all substances that can be felt from God are, in fact, felt from God. If we examine the quality of Divine Love, this is a love that can only come from God's Soul. It can't come from a human soul. Even if you as a human soul have it within you, it still cannot come from you. You can't refer God's Love on to somebody else, as a lot of people who are interested in New Age stuff think that they're able to do. It's only natural love that can do that. You can only give your love to somebody else. In fact, I can't even give your love to somebody else here. I can't give your love to Anto. Only you can give your love to Anto. And it's the same principle with God. Only God can give Her Love to you. Nobody else can do it for Her. There's no mediator in the process. There's no person who's a middle man in the process, which is great when you think about it, because you know you're having a personal relationship under those circumstances.

AJ: With Divine Love, this is the love that comes specifically from God and it has the ability, given certain conditions, to enter the human soul. And Divine Love has characteristics and attributes of its own, which are very, very different to the characteristics and attributes of what I would call natural love. Natural love has certain characteristics and attributes that are different, although sometimes similar in nature. They have different colours, different smells, different tastes, and different sounds than what comes from God. And of course we have the ability as a human race to investigate these matters and actually see them occur as well. [00:50:48.01]

8.2. The primary qualities of Divine Truth and humility

Interviewer: We've talked about love as a major attribute of God. What are the other kinds of core attributes that should be a priority for us to know?

AJ: There are two more probably, of the highest possible qualities, that we need to actually absorb from God. I believe that truth is a quality that can be absorbed from God, and while it exists in its own right, there is also the potential of it being a substance that you can receive from God. Humility is another quality that I believe we can receive from God as well. [00:51:56.09]

Divine Love, Divine Truth and Humility are three primary attributes of God

Interviewer: When you say receive, you mean come to learn about that attribute within God or to actually receive it?

AJ: I mean to actually have a part of that quality enter you from God. For example, in our previous discussion about truth I said that truth can exist without an emotion, but there is the potential, again, of Truth inside of God being some kind of emotional thing that is the basis of all of God's knowledge. It is some kind of thing that exists inside of God that is emotional in nature, that can give us all the knowledge of the universe if we are able to connect to it.

AJ: For humility, I'm not sure whether God has that as a quality. I don't know whether God needs that as a quality, but I know God certainly has what we would define as humility. For example, God has obviously made a lot of very powerful, beautiful things in the universe. One of the things God made in the process was you, who are also potentially a powerful and beautiful thing. And God actually made you with the ability to not listen to God at all. Now to do that requires humility, if you think about it; to actually create something that you have all this amazing knowledge inside of you to create, and then to allow that thing to demonstrate potential anarchy must require a large degree of humility of the person creating; a large ability to let go, a large ability to not control, a large ability to just allow things to happen. [00:53:47.18]

Interviewer: But if God is all love, that would be natural, would it not?

AJ: Of course. This is why, do you argue that humility is a part of love or do you argue that it's a separate thing? Now, my feelings are that humility and truth are separate things to love, and the reason is that a person must first have humility before they can absorb any new truth, and a person must absorb new truth before they can be in a condition of receiving Love. For example, when you first met me you had to allow yourself to absorb the potential truth that God exists as an entity. Before then you thought that God didn't exist at all but you knew that you had some unanswered questions, and you had to have enough humility to decide, "There are questions that I have not answered and I can actually make an experiment where I can attempt to answer those particular questions," and that requires humility. It also requires a desire for truth. You have to desire truth more than you desire your own ego, your own desire for self, or your own desire to be viewed by anybody around you as powerful or knowledgeable or any of those other things. And so I do believe they are separate qualities.

8.3. The primary quality of power

AJ: There's a separate quality I feel God has, which is power. Here I'm talking about universal power, in terms of if you look at everything that's created in the universe, from the laws right the way across to the physical things, the entities. Every single entity that God has ever created, as well as all of the laws, they all have power inherent in them, right down to even atomic and sub-atomic levels that we've discovered at this point in time on Earth; they still have power inherent in them. And if you try to pull those bonds apart you realise how much power you need to actually destroy the power that's in them; therefore they have power inherent in their connection. So power must also be another quality that's a part of God's nature.

8.4. Love is inherent in every quality of God

AJ: Power is a separate part to love, but when I say a separate part to love, it's probably the wrong way of saying it because my feelings are that nothing can actually exist in God's nature without love being inherent in it. In fact everything that I've discovered at this point in time about God has always had love inherent in the quality. And for that reason I've been able to base all experiments that I've had with God on this aspect of love first, more than anything else.

AJ: I feel when people try to experiment with God without love being involved then you're not going to discover very much about God at all, because it appears to me that God's primary quality is love and therefore, that being the case, it would make sense that every other thing that God has ever had as a part of Her nature also has love as its underlying basis. So power, for example, is a loving quality that God exercises. On Earth there is very, very little love in power; in fact most of the time power is exercised very unlovingly here on Earth. God only exercises power in a loving manner.

AJ: We see the same on Earth with so-called humility, which is more what I would class as a deference to others and a putting down of oneself. That's not humility. That's not the kind of humility God has. God doesn't put down Herself or Himself. So I don't describe that as a part of that quality. [00:57:34.22]

AJ: With regard to truth, there are many things on Earth that man thinks are truth but what I'm talking about here is the absolute truth on any one subject. The absolute truth on any subject, for example the subject of colour, can be determined to a large degree by looking at what goes on in the majority of people. Now of course there are people who are colour-blind, who see different colours, but all of us see the shade of white or the colour of black, and we can all agree on those particular shades generally. And so therefore there's a truth involved that all of us observe that is consistent across all of us.

AJ: Now it doesn't mean that an animal sees it the same way. It just means that all of us see it this way. We all interpret it in our brains a certain way. Now as to why a person who's colour-blind, which is a genetic problem, can only see a different colour is yet to be discovered on Earth. But we know that a person who's colour-blind doesn't fit the norm and we know that the norm is to see certain colours a certain way. Because of some kind of genetic issue passed down through the genes of the mother in this case, a person who's colour-blind sees a colour differently and we know that there must be some kind of genetic mutation that's occurred that caused them to see something differently. AJ: And so we can determine the truth of a lot of things physically through that process of just examining what is the general connection.

AJ: But that is not the best way to determine Divine Truth. And the reason is that while there are huge amounts of Divine Truth present on the Earth, very few people can feel God's Love, or feel God's Love enter them, and they are therefore unable to understand Divine Truth very easily. So there has to be another process that we have to engage to understand Divine Truth. And for that reason I feel Divine Truth is a different substance or has a different quality to it than absolute truth itself has, in the sense that Divine Truth requires the reception of Divine Love for it to be completely understood, whereas we can understand other truth through a process of deduction or experimentation quite easily. [01:00:00.12]

AJ: The same applies with the quality of humility that God has, I feel. If you look at the quality of humility in people it's often what I would feel is self-denigration rather than humility. One attribute of humility is modesty.

AJ: Modesty doesn't involve seeing yourself as a terrible creation of God but rather seeing yourself as you truly are, a wonderful creation of God. You can actually be modest and say, "I am wonderful," and it is also humble to say such a thing. So the quality that people believe humility to be on the Earth is often very different to what I see in God, and to what I've felt from God in terms of God's nature in my interaction, my relationship with God.

AJ: And the same goes with the quality of power. The quality of power can obviously exist without God in the sense that we have personal power that God has given to us. He's given us free will to be able to use that personal power in a direction that we decide, based on our desire. This power comes from within us and we can grow in power in some areas and we can reduce in power in other areas. It also makes sense that both of those things are available to God. But again, God's Power is never used out of harmony with love, so therefore God's attribute and quality with regard to power is very different to our own. Human power is very frequently used out of harmony with love, so therefore it must have a different quality or a different attribute than God's. God's Power is never used out of harmony with love. [01:02:00.02]

AJ: The same goes with humility that is a part of God's nature. God's Humility is never used out of harmony with love. God never degrades Herself in any interaction with any person or individual, in particular any person who She's created. But we often see people who are so-called humble on Earth denigrating themselves in order to prove their humility. God doesn't do that.

AJ: The same applies to truth. If we look at God's Truth, God's Truth always involves Divine Love in some aspect of it, and this goes from the physical truths right the way through to all sorts of very complicated emotional truths that we can discover; truths about the universe itself and how it's created, the laws that construct the universe and so forth. There's all this love inherent in every single one of those qualities. On Earth you can discover truth without love. So that tells me that the nature of truth within the individual is very different to the nature of truth that comes from God, Divine Truth.

AJ: You could say for every one of these qualities that I'm now describing about God; we've got Divine Truth, which is very, very different to human truth. We've got Divine Humility which is very, very different in its nature to human humility. And we've got Divine Power, which is very different in its nature to the way humans exercise power. This tells me that the nature of God is far more advanced than our own nature, because every single quality we look at that is inherent within ourselves, which also must be inherent within God (and when we examine the universe we can see the proof of that) is very, very different in the way it's displayed. And it's always displayed with the underlying feeling of love throughout, inherent in every single one of these other qualities about God that we can discover. And that's why I feel discovering God's Love is the most important thing; because once you discover God's Love all these other understandings come to you. [01:04:10.12]

9. God's attributes and qualities can be discovered and absorbed by receiving Divine Love

Interviewer: So you learned all of these things through the receiving of Divine Love?

AJ: Yes, once I had received Divine Love to a certain point. For example, for yourself as a scientist, before you believed in God, before you as a scientist had any interaction with God, you did have the quality of humility, to a degree. You decided to investigate something that you didn't know, and it takes humility to do that, to say, "I don't know, I'm going to go ahead and make some mistakes and investigate and experiment". That requires humility. You also had a desire for some kind of truth inside of you, otherwise you would never have become a scientist, right? You would never have desired any more truth than what your parents had already taught you, which you would have believed is true, even though some of it is not.

AJ: These kinds of qualities had to be a part of you, inherent in your nature, before you even started the process of seeing whether Divine Love actually exists. But as Divine Love enters you, what I've found is that a part of the divinity of all these other things enter you as well, and what that means then is that as God's Love enters me my flavour of humility changes. So while before I was only humble when it came to external matters, as soon as some of God's Love enters me I become more humble about internal matters, about matters of the heart; how I feel. When I examine truth I become more humble about what kind of truth I can examine. Before I would have gone, "I can only examine truth about physical matters or physical things that I can scientifically measure," and now, as you are learning, you can now experiment and measure things that are beyond that; that are different to that; that would not normally be an acceptable way of discovering truth in a scientific community. You discovered that you can create scientific experiments that actually discover truth, and so the flavour of truth that you're open to changed. As soon as you discovered this first thing the flavour of everything changes. It all starts to change from being what we are personally capable of demonstrating as a quality coming from within ourselves into qualities that we're not personally able to demonstrate without God's Love first coming into our soul and transforming it in some way. [01:06:43.23]

Interviewer: So it's a bit like a snowball, like going down a mountain and picking up all these other bits as it goes along, growing and growing and growing.

AJ: Exactly, yeah. A wonderful thing about God's nature is that God's always sharing Her nature through this love. So while I might have to have a few qualities inside of myself before I begin the process, once I begin the process of connecting with God it starts transforming my soul's nature. It starts manipulating its form, in terms of expansion, but also transforming its nature into something that wasn't actually originally created to be. Now the soul is going through a transformational process of growth, where it is only originally able to be a certain size without God, and all of a sudden parts of God's nature, particularly God's Love, start entering it. All of a sudden now the soul's got this larger nature and now having a part of God's nature in that particular quality.

AJ: So you began with humility. Obviously to be a scientist you have to have some, but now you have far more humility than you had then because part of God's nature has entered you and in that process you've gone, "Oh wow, but there's this and there's that and there's this and there's all these other things I could experiment with that I didn't know about before and, wow!" And now you are far more open to more truth as a result of that. And so as we receive this first part of God's nature, Divine Love into the human soul, it has the ability for us to now begin absorbing other parts or characteristics of God's nature; they become a part of us as well. And I feel that's one amazing thing about God. [01:08:31.08]

Interviewer: It's incredibly generous.

AJ: Exactly. Which is another quality of Divine Love, generosity. Generosity is another part of love and, and in fact any person who receives a part of God's nature with regard to love will become automatically more generous. They will become more generous with their time; they will become more generous with their knowledge; they won't require a cost associated with their knowledge; they will never charge for their knowledge, and so forth; automatically.

God's qualities become part of our souls as we receive Divine Love

AJ: That's a part of God's nature. God doesn't do that and neither does any person who's become more God-like. When a religion charges for something or when a business charges for something, that tells you that they're yet to absorb part of Divine Love with regard to the way they operate, because if they had previously, they could no longer do such a thing. And what I like about that is that there is a way to measure whether a person is actually becoming more Divine in their nature by seeing whether they've become more like God in their nature, in the way God operates with us.

9.1. Becoming more like God's nature is an indicator of progression

Interviewer: So it's a barometer for ourselves as well?

AJ: It is a barometer for ourselves. It's a barometer for our own progression. For example, if we still give our time wanting something in return, then we know we've yet to receive a part of God's Divine Love that would cause us to stop doing that. A person who's received Divine Love to a certain degree would never do that anymore. If I try to constrain you in some way that's not loving to the environment or based on some kind of emotion of anger or frustration that I have with you, then I know I haven't received Divine Love because if I had I would have God's nature on that matter. What does God do with you? God doesn't punish you or try to constrain you just when you try to do something that is out of harmony with God. God has laws that correct you, so I would still attempt to correct you but I wouldn't not love you anymore. I wouldn't be angry with you anymore.

AJ: So that tells me that if you did something that I viewed as wrong and I was angry with you as a result, now obviously I have some work to do with God's nature, because I've yet to receive God's nature properly. If I'm fully at-one with God I would never be angry with you no matter what you chose to do; even if you chose to kill me I'd still not be angry with you. And that would tell me that I have now received a lot of God's nature to the point where I'm now at-one, or have the same way of feeling on that particular matter as God is. [01:11:23.07]

9.2. The primary qualities of intelligence and wisdom

Interviewer: Getting back to the other attributes, obviously there's intelligence, and logical reasoning.

AJ: Yeah, so shall we call that intelligence then? And wisdom. Wisdom is different to intelligence in that we can be very intelligent and have no wisdom at all. Wisdom is the way we apply intelligence; it's the way intelligence is used. Certainly God obviously has an infinite amount of wisdom considering how He's built our bodies, our souls, and our interaction with every single thing. There are huge amounts of wisdom inside of the creation of God's Intelligence, so I feel that they are separate qualities of God.

Interviewer: It seems to work that the more you grow in love, the more you grow in these attributes as well, regardless of whether you were getting them from God. It seems that the higher you are in love the more wise you are, the more humble you are and...

AJ: And the more intelligent you become.

Interviewer: It's not just because you're getting the attributes from God, but it's an expression of the love?

AJ: Well what happens as we receive the Divine Love is that it transforms all of our natural qualities and attributes inside of our soul. We can have all of these qualities and attributes occurring naturally without having any connection with God. As I said, before I met you, you had the quality of desire for truth and desire for humility already within your soul, otherwise you could never have taken on the job of being a scientist; it would never have been available to you if you didn't have some of those qualities. And also intelligence obviously had to be there; you had to intellectually understand what you were examining, and so there has to be some level of intelligence available to you to even do that. And so obviously some of those qualities existed, but as Divine Love enters you these qualities change in their flavour, they change in the way in which you express them, and they also expand in their ability to be utilised and also understood. And so, yes, you now have a far larger degree of wisdom, for example, as you receive Divine Love, because before you would have been very much like many scientists.

AJ: When I first met you, you were very much intellectually examining everything, with very little connection with your own emotion; very little of what I would have called emotional intelligence. You didn't really understand yourself very well in terms of what was going on in your life, your relationships and all those kind of things. Your work life was fine but all the other bits were difficult, right? And so obviously there wasn't much emotional intelligence there at the time. But then as you received Divine Love, all of a sudden you start growing this emotional intelligence, you start seeing, "Oh, I can feel that from this person. That's different to what they're telling me. You know I'm feeling this but if I act upon what they're telling me I'll get myself in trouble. If I act on what I'm feeling from them now, I'll be in far more harmony; I won't have as much trouble in my life." [01:14:37.18]

AJ: And so as we work our way through and receive some more of this Love from God, we find ourselves expanding in all of these other ways in that we're becoming more like God. That's what it really feels like. When we receive some Divine Love all of a sudden we're more truthful, we're more humble, we have a bit more power to exercise, we have more intelligence and we have more wisdom. As I said in the first century, "All these other things will be added to you." When most people read that they don't really understand completely what that means. What I'm saying is; all these other qualities that we often try to develop singularly or separately can be added to you as you receive this Love.

Receiving God's Love automatically develops us in other areas

AJ: And this is the amazing thing about the Love; it has the power of its own that seems to manipulate all other qualities. That in itself is an amazing fact, if we examine that. What we're basically saying is that if I want to grow any quality inside of my own personal nature, the fastest way for that to grow is by my receiving and acting upon the love that I receive from God. And if I do that then all of these other things will grow automatically as well, and I have the ability to expand. The love is like the food of expansion in all these other areas as well. So while these are different qualities of God as I said, every single one of these qualities in God has God's Love as a part of the quality. [01:16:25.20]

9.3. Receiving God's Love enables us to get to know God

Interviewer: And so as you grow you can actually get to know God by seeing how you've changed yourself?

AJ: Exactly.

Interviewer: So that's how you discovered it all.

AJ: Exactly.

Interviewer: Cool.

9.4. Becoming more like God's nature is an automatic result of receiving Divine Love

AJ: That's the experiment. The real experiment is not the experiments that we can do externally; the real experiment is the experiment that we do with our soul. And if we engage that experiment with God, we can receive this Divine Love and then measure our own condition over a period of time in different areas; our humility, our power, our intelligence, our wisdom. We could start writing down hundreds and hundreds of different qualities that we'd like to develop within ourselves; kindness, compassion, mercy, generosity; all these other love-based qualities, and intelligence, understanding, knowledge; all these intellectual-based qualities. We can write down power, desire, passion; all those things that are involved in power.

AJ: We could write down all of those qualities and then we can experiment. We could say right, let's take a photograph of us emotionally. Let's write down today how we are with all those particular things, and then in a year's time after we've experimented with receiving Divine Love, let's take another photograph emotionally by writing down all of how we feel about these same things now, and have we noticed change? Now if you haven't noticed change, what I'm saying is you've not received Divine Love. If you've noticed change, in a positive direction, then you've definitely received some. If you've been longing for it you've definitely received some. Now it is possible for a person to change without receiving Divine Love, but with Divine Love the change is far more rapid.

AJ: I've seen people in the spirit world, for example on an issue of generosity over a thousand years, where a thousand years ago they weren't very generous at all and now a thousand years later they've learnt to be generous. But I've seen a person who has received Divine Love change between those two conditions in two minutes, in terms of Earth time. So that tells me that the power of receiving Divine Love on the soul has far more expression than if I try to develop the quality myself without love, without God's Love involved. [01:18:32.13]

9.4.1. An example of growing in passion and desire

Interviewer: For passion and desire, they are within us but they are also attributes of God, and they can also grow as well?

AJ: Definitely. If you think of power, inside power there are different qualities. Passion is one of the qualities of power. Desire is one of the qualities of power, and so forth.

AJ: There are others of course, which we can list, but if we just look at those particular qualities, as I receive Divine Love, these will grow. As my passion for the universe grows my desire for things that are in harmony with love grow. The desire for things out of harmony with love automatically shrinks as well. So previously I might have decided to harm people, but now I don't anymore, because my desire out of harmony with love shrinks. Therefore how I use my power comes more and more into harmony with how God expresses Her Power and this is what happens with every quality.

AJ: You can list all sorts of qualities that God has; they all have sub-attributes. Then as we receive Divine Love we'll notice these things changing in us, and they become more God-like in their expression or more loving in their expression automatically, not something we try to do. It's not like I have to educate myself, "Oh I've got to remember to be more loving." It's not like that at all; it's automatic.

AJ: When we've got to say, "Oh, I've got to be more loving here. It's best for me to work out how to be more loving here," we're not understanding because the reality is that as we receive Divine Love we don't have to work it out anymore; it's automatic. Passion is automatic. Desire is automatic. Desire in harmony with love is more automatic and desire in disharmony with love becomes less automatic, to the point where it can't even exist at all. I can't even do anything out of harmony with love once I've become at-one with God. I can't. It's physically impossible for me to do it. And this is the beauty of receiving love as the primary connection with God; as we receive love then all these other qualities all develop and become more harmonious with divinity. They're no longer in harmony with how I would do it, they're now in harmony with how God does it. [01:20:52.06]

9.5. God's qualities are present throughout the universe

Interviewer: So all of these things are expressed in the universe through God's creation. Are there any that up until now have been absent on Earth, but that are obvious in the spirit world or in higher dimensions, and that if you improve the soul condition they will become more apparent?

AJ: I don't know if it could be said, Luli, that there's any quality of God that is absent anywhere in the universe, because the more I discover the universe myself and the more I discover in terms of receiving Divine Love, the more I see God's nature inherent everywhere. So I've visited the hells of the spirit world; in the first dimension there are very, very dark areas in the spirit world where people exist who are what most people on Earth would classify as very evil. And even when I visit those locations I see God's Love inherent in the location itself, in the way in which God's treating that particular person. And so there is a substance of God's Love everywhere, even in the darkest places of the universe. What I feel can be assumed from that is that all of God's qualities are able to be received in any location in the universe. In some locations it's more difficult to receive it in than others but it is still present in some form in those locations. And in fact what I currently believe, and I feel this is a great basic Divine Truth as well, is that if there was such a thing as the complete absence of any or all of God's qualities in a location, then that particular location could no longer exist. [01:22:49.11]

Interviewer: Within the universe?

AJ: Within the universe. So in other words it's a physical impossibility for a location to have none of God's qualities existing in it.

9.6. Discovering God's attributes by developing a relationship with God

Interviewer: Could you tell me some more of the attributes that we haven't covered?

AJ: Well, as I said, every attribute and quality has all these sub-attributes and qualities. When I list the attribute of love, for example, we could probably list lots and lots of different qualities that are sub-attributes of love, and then describe every single one of those qualities in terms of how God exercises them, and we could do the same with truth, Divine Truth. We could do the same with humility; we could do the same with God's power, and intelligence and wisdom and so forth. [01:23:48.16]

AJ: I feel the main thing though for most people to get from this discussion is that we have the ability to go through this experimentation process ourselves. We don't have to rely on Jesus or some other person telling us what God is like. We can actually discover a lot of what God is like for ourselves. We can go through the process ourselves of discovering what God is like. And so, if you think about it, the actual experiment of receiving Divine Love into our own soul becomes the important thing perhaps to discuss, more than anything else, because that's what establishes the personal relationship; that's what allows us to eventually see God's attributes and qualities.

AJ: So we can have a discussion where Jesus lists all of the attributes and qualities of God, and we go, "Oh yeah, that's another interesting attribute and quality," and we can examine it all from an intellectual perspective, but never experience the quality; never actually feel that quality inside of ourselves, never actually display it ourselves because we have yet to feel it from God and therefore it's yet to enter us, and never actually understand anything about the universe. We can go through the entire discussion of God's attributes and qualities without really understanding a single thing from an emotional perspective or from an experiential perspective, from our personal experience.

AJ: Once we receive Divine Love into our soul, now we're going through an experience. The beauty of going through the experience is that now when we talk about God's kindness, and we actually go through an experience where we feel God's kindness, now we can feel the attribute of God. And also, because it's now inside of us, we'll be able to start reflecting that attribute of God to other people who are around us, reflecting the kindness to another person. This allows us to experience God through this connection or this relationship. It's a real relationship that we're developing with God. [01:26:05.09]

Receiving Divine Love by developing a relationship with God enables us to learn about God's attributes and qualities

AJ: And through the relationship, we're going through this wonderful process of discovering ourselves and discovering our potential; not just what we are now, but our future potential.

AJ: We'll also discover God Herself through the process as well because we're receiving part of God's attributes and qualities as we change and then, when we talk to another individual about God, we don't have to say, "Oh do you think God's like this?" or, "Do you think God's like that?" because we already know. We've already felt it and we've already experienced it. We've already experienced a change in our own life in the way that we've demonstrated the reflection of that love to others. And so now we know that God has this quality of power. We also know how God delivers power to the universe, because I've actually personally experienced it, and that's how I deliver my power to the universe as well. Once I've personally experienced it from God and I've experienced that change me, I now deliver my power to the universe in the same way God delivers Her Power to the universe. And as I go through that personal experiment I am now able, without any person's assistance, to say, "I know what God's nature and quality is with this attribute of power," for example.

AJ: Of course I do want to talk about God's attributes and qualities, but more importantly I feel that we need to experience them rather than talk about them. We can talk about them for a long period of time without experiencing them, and that is a sad thing I feel. If you look at almost all of the religions on this planet, they've talked about God until they were blue in the face, you could say. And for many of them they've literally talked about God until they've died without actually feeling any part of God in their nature. In other words, by the time of their death they are still wanting to kill people, for example. They still want to impose their will upon other people. They still want to conquer. AJ: They still want to do all sorts of other things, which are obviously completely against the very nature of God about whom they've been discussing their entire life. So I do feel that there is a danger in a discussion such as this, and the danger is discussing all of this intellectual knowledge without feeling any of it. And if we discuss it all without feeling any of it, it does not have any power, it doesn't change our life, and it doesn't change other people's lives either as a result. If we discuss it and then experiment and feel it, now we have the ability to change other people's lives. Now we have the ability to change completely. [01:28:56.08]

AJ: I feel that when any person discusses God's nature, qualities and attributes, it is very, very important they discuss it from a point of view of attempting to experience those qualities; to actually feel them enter themselves, rather than just discussing the qualities as a purely psychological and philosophical discussion. We don't want to discuss God's nature and qualities like that, because if we do that, at some point in the future we would end up dead and still have not changed one single bit from that discussion, and therefore the world around us won't have changed in a positive direction either through our existence on Earth.

AJ: If we allow ourselves to get away from the philosophy and the psychology and into the experience, now we have the ability firstly to transform our own self through the reception of Divine Love, but as we receive Divine Love all of a sudden our nature and qualities, our humility, our truth, our power, our intelligence, our wisdom, our love, has been infused with these attributes that come from the Divine, and so now we have the ability to reflect this divinity on Earth and change the Earth around us, change people around us, through our interactions with them. It has power in our life then. It's pointless having an intellectual discussion without the power of it ever being experienced.

AJ: That being said, if we discuss some of the qualities of God, and maybe we will discuss them in the future in more detail, we need to get to experience them before the discussion will benefit us in any way.

9.7. Developing a relationship with God creates change

AJ: And if you think about your own experience over the last few years since you've known me - how long has it been now? It's been a couple of years hasn't it? [01:30:59.06]

Interviewer: Almost four.

AJ: Almost four. Time goes fast when you're having fun, doesn't it?

Interviewer: Yes.

AJ: Or not having so much fun (laughter), depending on the emotions that come up. But if you think about it, when you first met me, if you think about the experience of your life, you found the relationship issues in your life fairly consistent. They didn't change very much. In the last four years, if you notice since meeting me, unfortunately sometimes (chuckles), you've had huge changes in your life, and change is what happens when you start receiving Divine Love too. You feel motivated to change rapidly. You're not content with staying still anymore. You're not content with absorbing the environment's desires upon you and staying constrained by the environment. You want to expand and you want to grow, you want to change. All these desires that perhaps you didn't have before, or didn't know how to exercise before, enter you and that's the other beauty of this relationship. It is that you have the ability to expand and grow through the relationship as well.

10. God's primary qualities of change and personality

10.1. The primary quality of change

AJ: And so I feel one of God's primary qualities is actually change. Change is a part of God. That tells me God must be changing but it also tells me that if I want to get close to God I've got to continuously change. I've got to always grow, always change. So growth, or change, is important. What other qualities do you feel there might be, Luli? [01:33:00.09]

Interviewer: Ah.... (Laughter)

AJ: Can you see, when I ask that question, we can sort of use our intellect a bit can't we and we can go, "Okay, what qualities are inside of me," which obviously God must have, because if they got inside of me somehow they had to come from somewhere.

10.2. God's personality

Interviewer: Right, so I was going to ask about personality and humour?

AJ: Okay, personality, yeah and a part of personality is things like humour and so forth, that's an attribute of personality.

Interviewer: You were saying in the interview last week on "The Human Soul - Qualities and Attributes," that we're all given a part of God's personality.

AJ: A unique part of God's personality. This is one of the things that I feel has definitely occurred. The way I feel at the moment is that God has an infinite number of aspects to Her personality and then in each individual God has created a specific aspect of Her personality that isn't inherent in any other human soul that God has created. The only way I can discover this particular aspect of God's personality is by actually interacting with the person who has it.

AJ: And this is how God has involved us in the process of discovery of Herself, but also involved us in the process of discovery of ourselves. Once we engage that particular aspect of our nature or personality in an active manner, that's the time we're going to grow the fastest towards our pure creation, towards what God created us to be. [01:35:02.12]

10.2.1. Humour is a sub-attribute of God's personality

Interviewer: So if humour is a part of personality...

AJ: There's somebody on Earth or in the spirit world who has the best sense of humour.

Interviewer: God must just find everything funny.

AJ: He does.

Interviewer: Because everybody's senses of humour are so different.

AJ: Exactly.

Interviewer: God must be constantly amused.

AJ: Of course. Wouldn't you be?

Interviewer: I don't know. (Laughs)

AJ: Well, if you're looking at all of that you'd be constantly happy, wouldn't you, as well as joyful in all your interactions?

Interviewer: If I were God? (Laughs)

AJ: You'd be constantly amused. Some things would just strike you as very, very funny. Remember we have different aspects and qualities to humour; for example irony is one type of an aspect or quality of humour. Sometimes God finds things very ironic, when He observes things happening on Earth or in the spirit world that occur in a certain way; there is a lot of irony in that. And there are a lot of those kinds of qualities, all the aspects of humour if you examine them on Earth. Now of course there are aspects of humour that are on Earth that don't exist in God. Those aspects are the aspects that we've developed ourselves which are out of harmony, or in disharmony, with love. For example, there's an aspect of humour you could call sarcasm; that isn't a part of God's nature. [01:36:25.00]

Interviewer: Because it's based on anger?

AJ: Because it's based on anger and pulling a person down and making the person feel small and a lot of other unloving characteristics, and so sarcasm is not a part of God's Nature. And once we become at-one with God sarcasm will not be a part of our own nature. But there are other aspects of humour which will remain. So, as we receive Divine Love, every single quality that we potentially have will become purified in its nature and totally in harmony with God's Love.

10.2.2. Aspects of our personality grow and change as we receive Divine Love

Interviewer: All of these aspects that you've listed as you said can enter us and change us, but personality is different, because our personalities don't change when we grow in love, do they? Or do they?

AJ: Yeah, how do they not? I feel they do grow; they certainly grow. They change in the sense of growing, in terms of the way they're expressed. For example, when I was full of very sad emotions obviously my sense of humour was not very present, and my sense of humour might have been based around sarcasm and rage at the system or at the world or at particular individuals. Once I've received Divine Love, then my humour grows and changes the personality trait; the way I express my humour changes so the sarcasm is destroyed, or the parts that are out of harmony with love get destroyed, and the parts that are in harmony with love become a part of my nature.

AJ: Once I become at-one with God I'm still in a process of continual change. I have now discovered my nature but not discovered how big it can be. It's still going to grow; it's still going to change. The way in which I express my personality is going to change and my personality will become bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger as a part of this growth and change. I also have the ability, if you think about it, using my intelligence, to select a certain characteristic within myself that I do have and to grow that specifically, if I desire to. I do have the ability to select certain of my attributes and qualities and to personally put an effort into those particular attributes and qualities. [01:38:45.12]

11. God's primary quality of power (continued)

Interviewer: Moving back to the quality of God's Power, is that power inherent within God, and is that the power that created the whole universe and sustains the whole universe?

11.1. God has created layers of power within the universe

AJ: It's even bigger than that. Remember I said to you earlier that the universe itself is made up of certain substances in that certain particles make up the physical universe. They are different to particles that make up the other dimensions in the universe. If we call the physical universe a combination of dimensions, there are certain particles that make up the physical universe that are separate to particles that make up the spiritual universes, and then separate to the particles that make up the soul universes that have been discovered at this point that are more based on the soul. Now, we could then assume that there is a separate layer of particles above that that makes up the laws, and then there's a separate layer of particles that make up God. We examine it from that perspective, in an onion layer-type perspective.

Different types of particles make up the physical (P), spiritual (SP), soul dimensions and God's laws in the universe

AJ: When we look at the power, you've got the universal power, which is power being expressed in a physical manner. That's like the power of the sun, the power of our Earth and what it can generate, the power of the moon and what it can do to the Earth; that's the physical power available to the physical elements. The power of an atom, what that can display. If you look at the power of an atom, it can display some pretty amazing things. [01:40:19.11]

Interviewer: Pretty powerful.

AJ: Pretty powerful. These are all physical things that are powerful. Then if we put the other layer around, there's also the spiritual, what you'd classify as spiritual things, or let's call them physical things in other dimensions; that is probably a better term for them. They obviously had different types of particles that make up those particular elements that make up the spiritual existences, and there are different layers of power in that existence. Then you've got the laws that constrain. So those two things added together, the physical and the spiritual are like the universe, but then there are the laws that make up and constrain those particular universes, and they have to be more powerful than the universes themselves. So now we have another layer of power. These layers of power are still below God, because God created these laws, which are a layer of power that constrain the universe and constrain everything in the universe; they control it so that it doesn't fall into anarchy. So the laws themselves have to be greater in power than the actual physical universe or the actual spiritual universe.

There are increasing layers of power from the physical to the spiritual dimensions, which are constrained by God's laws, which are the most powerful

AJ: Now of course each type of universe has its own set of laws. The physical universe has physical laws and obviously the laws that constrain the physical universe have to be greater than the physical universe itself. And the laws that constrain the spiritual universe have to be greater than the physical and spiritual universe themselves, because the spiritual universe is more powerful than the physical, and it would make sense that the laws that constrain them must also be more powerful. So we've got the physical universe, we've got the spiritual universe, and we've got the soul-based universes that have now been discovered, and the laws must still control all of that.

AJ: This tells me a lot firstly about God and the way God uses power, but it also tells me a lot about power itself and the qualities of power. Power has priority systems; power can be used in different priority systems. There are levels of power available. There are levels of power of what controls the physical, levels of power of what control the spiritual, that is, the other physical dimensional spaces. There are levels of power of what control the soul. And these powerful laws have to be more powerful than the laws that control the smaller layer, if you like.

AJ: And so this tells me a lot about power and the way God displays power. God displays power in different gradients or degrees based on what kind of universe or what kind of thing is being controlled by the power. And God's highest creation that we've discovered at the moment is the human soul, and the laws that constrain the human soul are far more powerful than the laws that constrain the physical universe and our spirit body and our physical body.

AJ: That tells me a lot about God too, about how God has created this prioritised system with regard laws, this hierarchy of law, and that tells me how God is also powerful. God has a hierarchy of power as well, which is part of the characteristics of power and the power of the greater things. For instance the soul is going to have much more power than a physical thing like your body. Your entire body is actually going to be controlled not by you using your mind, which is a part of the spirit existence, but by you using your soul, which is part of the soul existence. This tells me that the way you exercise power, if it's based upon the soul - in other words, based upon feelings, emotions, desires, passions and longings and those kind of parts of the soul - is going to be far more powerful than if it's based upon your intellect. So you can discover lots of different things about how to use power when you see how God has designed power in the universe.

AJ: And the same can be said with intelligence, wisdom and a lot of other qualities. There is this hierarchy of layers, some of which are more important than others and some of which are worthy of focusing our attention on. For example, in terms of discovery, if I focus my attention just upon the physical, I am focusing my attention upon the least powerful. If I am focusing my attention on my soul, I've at least gone up two orders of power in terms of what I have the capacity to change. And if I'm focused upon the laws that govern my soul I've gone a further step in terms of examining the way the universe works, and examining what God must have created, and therefore what must exist inside of God in terms of Her nature.

11.2. Understanding the hierarchy of power shows us where to focus to have the greatest effect

AJ: So when I look at it from that perspective, I go, okay, the best way to use my effort is not physically. The best way to use my effort is to engage the physical spiritual upon the soul and upon the laws and upon my connection with God. That's the best way to use my effort. Once I do that, when I understand how God's power is created than I can start going, "Well where's the best place to put my effort?" If I want to focus my effort on the physical only, which is what a lot of people do, they just focus their effort on their physical life... [01:46:27.23]

Interviewer: Virtually everybody.

AJ: Virtually everybody, yeah, until they pass, focus their effort on their physical life - and even after they pass they still often try to focus their effort on their physical life on Earth. You can see that I've now taken away the ability of my spirit life, of these far more powerful aspects of my life; I've created an inability in myself to actually absorb any truths from those areas of my life. It's like creating a beautiful person, scarring them all up and chaining them. That's what I'm doing to myself by doing that. I'm constraining myself so markedly as to be almost beyond recognition if I do that.

Focusing on the physical gives us the least amount of power in our lives

AJ: If I allow myself through this relationship with God to discover how God uses power, I can then discover a lot about the laws of the universe and the power in the laws of the universe, and I can focus on the laws that have the most power associated with them. And the one law that has the most power associated with it is the Law of Divine Love The law that constrains the usage of God's Love in the universe has the greatest effect. Therefore anything that I learn about the Law of Divine Love should be my highest priority because it's going to have the largest effect on my soul, the largest effect on the souls around me, therefore the largest effect on my physical environment and the largest effect on my spiritual environment.

AJ: I see people focusing their intention on the metaphysical, on the spiritual environment. You see a lot of New Age people and people in religion focusing their intentions primarily on the metaphysical, what they think might exist in the realms beyond the physical. Why are you focusing your intention on that? That is the second layer. The Laws of Love are the highest layer you could ever focus your intention on. Focus your intention on there and you'll automatically discover all the rest as a part of the process.

12. God's primary quality of simplicity

AJ: One of the other things that I feel is a part of God's nature is this, the quality of simplicity. That's why there's the principle of Occam's Razor; whatever is the simplest explanation is probably the truth. And that is because God has inherent in part of Her nature this desire for simplicity. If we're humble enough to accept the simple we can often discover the most powerful things in the universe as a result. If we're constantly attracted to the complex, the opposite to simple, we're not going to discover much of the universe at all. There are people who are so addicted to their own intelligence that they want to only examine the complex and they can't even conceive of examining the simple. And yet by examining the simple they would far exceed their current abilities to examine the complex. I feel this is all part of God's beautiful nature being demonstrated through all of these things occurring. [01:49:45.13]

Interviewer: And it's obviously very loving to make it possible therefore for everybody to learn about the universe.

AJ: Yes, and that's why I said if you become like a child, a child loves the simple in terms of understanding. I'm not saying that there won't be any complex things in the universe to understand, I'm saying to focus on the simple thing, which is the Divine Love entering our soul; that is very, very simple to understand, a two year old child can understand it. Anybody can do it. And so if we focus on that simple thing all these other things, all this other complexity, all this other knowledge, all this other understanding, all this other love, all this other truth, all these other qualities that are a part of God, all become a part of myself, and so my nature changes automatically.

AJ: If I focus on the complex I won't understand anything about the universe in the long run and that's why the people who are still focused on the complex have stagnated in their progression in the sixth dimension of the spirit world. They cannot progress beyond that point because they don't understand one of God's qualities, simplicity. This one quality that is not understood can stagnate an entire life. One quality of God that we don't understand can stagnate our life for as long as we choose to stagnate our life. And that's a scary thought in a way, because we could ignore one quality of God and that one quality of God could be the only reason why we're not progressing. [01:51:20.22]

13. The quality of God of wanting a relationship with everyone

13.1. Receiving Divine Love via the Holy Spirit

Interviewer: The way that God gives us love is through the Holy Spirit. What is that?

AJ: Well, you could describe the Holy Spirit this way. Here's God (drawing on the board), with masculine and feminine qualities, and here's our soul, our half of the soul if we think of it from that point of view. Love has to flow somehow between the two things. Remember I said that love was a substance. You could think of love like water, and often certain books like the Bible portray love as water. If you think of love like water, water is a substance that flows and it is constrained by the pipe. Well the pipe that love flows through from God is called the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit enables Divine Love to flow from God into a half soul

Interviewer: It's pretty flexible. It moves everywhere, and it's connected to everybody.

AJ: It's flexible in terms of location and its ability to connect. It's not flexible with regard to truth. It's totally inflexible. In other words, if we're out of harmony with truth at any one point in time, or out of harmony with how we connect with the Holy Spirit, it's impossible to connect to it. Impossible. And many people on Earth believe they're connecting to the Holy Spirit when they're just connecting to a person on the spirit world in another connection.

AJ: So say here's myself, my half of the soul, and here's Luli, the person I'm now speaking with (drawing on the board). We too can have a connection and things can flow between us. I would call that spirit. In other words, again it's a pipe, and it is a physical pipe that you can see in the spirit world that flows between two people that are interacting in any way. If we're interacting primarily on an intellectual level, that pipe will be a certain colour, a certain nature, have a dark greenish-type tinge. If we're interacting with each other in a truthful manner the pipe will go into a blue, a bit darker than a sky blue. We will be able to interact with each other and you'll see this colour, this attribute if you like, which is the spirit of the connection. It's like a pipe. You see it as a cord in the spirit world that connects us, like an electrical cable with plugs. [01:53:49.02]

There is a spirit that flows between human souls who are communicating, which is distinct from the Holy Spirit, which flows from God to a soul

AJ: The way we can think of the Holy Spirit is as an electrical cable that plugs from God into the soul of any one of the human souls, the highest of God's creations, as long as the conditions favourable for the connection can be maintained. And the primary condition favourable for the connection is truth, Divine Truth, not our own truth. That's the primary condition. The secondary condition is humility, a willingness for us to actually deal with any emotion that comes up in us as a result of the connection. Those two things have to be maintained and the connection with the Holy Spirit can be maintained. If those two things are not present, the Holy Spirit cannot connect, and therefore Love cannot flow. It's quite simple and a child can understand it.

AJ: If I'm not humble and I'm not in harmony with God's Truth then I'm not going to be able to have this connection with God where love can flow between me and God. But if I am humble and I have a connection with God's Truth, now something can flow between me and God.

13.2. Conditions for forming a relationship

AJ: It's very, very similar between us. If I have an openness to receiving whatever it is you wish to give, and you have an openness to receiving whatever I wish to give, and I have a desire to give and you have a desire to give - those four particular things must exist - then something can flow between us, whatever that is. It might be intellectual knowledge, if we're talking about something intellectual. It could be something to do with wisdom that can flow between us. It could be something to do with our personality. We could be having a laugh about a certain subject and that can flow between us. There will be some connection. Those four conditions must exist.

AJ: If we look at it from the perspective of our relationship with God, we've got the four conditions that must exist. I have to have a desire, there has to be a desire that exists in me, coming from me towards God. There has to be a desire in God to receive it; God has to want to receive my desire. Three, there has to be a desire from God towards myself and fourth, there has to be a desire in me to receive that, to actually get that from God.

AJ: If you look at all of those things, that tells us a lot about God too. It tells us that the way God's created every interaction between us as individuals is that for you and me to have a connection there has to be something in you that wants something from me, something in you that also wants to give something to me; something in me that wants something from you, and something in me that wants to give something to you. If that happens we'll have quite a pure connection and a longstanding connection on any particular matter generally. Those same conditions exist between myself and God. And if that's the case, then that tells me a lot about God. That tells me that God has a desire for me that I just need to recognise, and God has a desire to give me gifts that I just need to accept, I need to be open to accept. And this tells me that one of God's qualities is that God wants a relationship. God wants a relationship with every person.

13.3. How God feels about receiving our love

Interviewer: What effect does it have on God when we project love at God?

AJ: It has an amazing effect on God, of course. Like, what effect does it have on you when somebody loves you?

Interviewer: That's a varied response. (Laughs)

AJ: That's a varied response! (Laughs) Depends on whether you want to be loved in the first place.

Interviewer: Exactly.

AJ: Well, let's assume God wants your love. What do you feel God would feel then?

Interviewer: It would be lovely.

AJ: You see one thing that a lot of people on Earth don't understand, and a lot of people in the spirit world don't grasp either, is this; God has given you the ability to not give something to God because God gave you free will. God gave you your own will to exercise however you see fit. Under those circumstances, you can see that God gave you the ability to not love God. In fact the only thing that you can give God that God isn't able to take from you is your love, if you think about it; your will, your love, your will to love God. Now imagine that for a moment from God's perspective. You've created billions and billions and billions of children and in your love for them you've given them all the ability to not love you, and in fact a lot of them don't. What do you think you would feel when somebody decided to love you for the first time? [01:59:51.12]

Interviewer: It would be great.

AJ: Wouldn't it?

Interviewer: Yeah.

AJ: Yeah. It'd be something you'd been longing for for all of their existence, longing that they'd come to terms with it themselves, that they'd actually desire it from within their own heart, and then all of a sudden they desire it within their own heart for some reason, and away they go, all of a sudden they start wanting to love you. You can feel the emotion that would be present, yes? It'd be just so amazing. You imagine as a parent having a child and then the child's a hundred years old or two hundred years old, five hundred years old, a thousand years old, they still don't love you, and then all of a sudden the child decides to love you, how much of an effect that would have on the parent. That's the effect we have on God when we love God. It's the same effect.

13.3.1. Milestones in our relationship with God

AJ: And when we first engage this desire to love God, it's like - you can imagine God, up there, wherever God exists beyond those universes that we've been talking about, just leaping for joy in Her heart as a result of one, just one, of God's children, the pinnacle of Her creation, deciding to love God for the first time. And then how would you feel once that love became permanent? That would be such an incredible time. It's a bit like when you first discover somebody in a relationship. Initially there's a feeling of being a bit interested, and that's a nice feeling, having someone a bit interested. Well for most of us on the planet who have some form of a connection with God, we're really just still a bit interested. We're not really yet in the state where we're permanently interested in this relationship with God, and in fact have that as our very first relationship. [02:01:47.21]

AJ: When we go through this process of becoming permanently interested in God, and in fact putting that as the very first thing in our lives, that very first thing that guides our entire existence; that's another milestone in our relationship with God. Then another milestone in our relationship with God is once we get to the point where we're permanently connected with love, so God can give Love anytime She wants, and we are ready to receive it, and we desire that Love all the time. That would be another milestone in the relationship, just like it would be in a normal relationship.

AJ: So you can see that there are milestones in our relationship with God. When the person who's had no interest in God at all first demonstrates some interest, like you did four years ago, God's heart leapt, yes? And God feels that as an emotion of joy. But Luli still doesn't want God all the time, right? So God's waiting for that milestone to be reached. Once that milestone is reached, now there's a real development in the relationship. And then once Luli reaches the point of having a permanent connection, in the sense of wanting God's Love all the time and being able to receive it at any time and there being no impediment to the reception of that love, that'll be another milestone in the relationship.

AJ: And every single one of those milestones God has a different response to, just like you would if you had a relationship with somebody else. It's like when you first meet somebody you're interested in. You're slightly interested, you feel drawn but you're still working, you've still got other friends, you still visit other people or whatever else. Then after a while you get really interested in this person and you get to the point where you're so interested in the person that that person becomes your highest priority. Then the second milestone is reached. Now you want to work on the relationship between you and that person constantly, you don't want to get distracted by lots of other things all the time, you're trying to focus more and more on that relationship, and so now your relationship has the potential to grow even more rapidly. Now imagine once you get to the point where both of you feel completely connected to each other permanently. That is not yet occurred on Earth for any relationship, but imagine if it had. [02:04:10.08]

Interviewer: What about you and God in the first century?

AJ: Me and God but not in my relationship with Mary, my soulmate. That didn't happen in the first century because we were in different conditions. For that to actually occur both the partners have to be at-one with God. Now, you imagine those three milestones in the development of your relationship. Well that's the same three milestones, if you think of it, as what's available in God.

AJ: But then there's a fourth milestone with our relationship with God; that the other half of me merges with me while we're merged with God. There's another milestone in the relationship. And I don't know beyond that how many more milestones in our relationship we possibly could have, but I'm assuming in an infinite relationship there's a potential of even more milestones. But if you even look at those four milestones, every single one of those milestones has an effect on God's heart, and has an effect on God's feelings for us and also about us. And it's very different from God just observing our life.

AJ: So I'd say the first time you longed for God was the time you met God. Before you met God, God was just sort of observing your life. God was attempting through all of the things you were experiencing to help you recognise that you could have a connection with God and God was trying to have some form of connection with you by doing a lot of external things to your life. But you imagine the very first time you went, "I can have a personal relationship with God," imagine how much of an effect that would have on God.

AJ: It's the same as you observing someone you love and them not knowing you exist and then all of a sudden they notice you. How would you feel? That's the same feeling God has, that God all of a sudden feels, "Wow, this person now wants to have a relationship with Me, which is different to Me just observing her. Now I can be more personally involved in her life. Now I can have a relationship. Before it was just like I'd given her all these things and everything but no relationship. I can just watch her up until then and I can affect her life through external events but I can't really do anything more with the personal relationship." Then all of a sudden there's this personal relationship.

AJ: Imagine the effect that that would have on God. And it does have a very, very powerful effect on God. Every single individual who decides for the very first time to connect to God has a very big effect on God and I feel in a lot of ways the love that we have, although it may be very small in comparison to God, is something that does not belong to God. It only belongs to God when you give it. And you think about it, if I love God and you love God and then others start to love God then of course God's going to feel more than when God was just observing. It's just like if I love you and then somebody else loves you and then somebody else loves you and then all these people start loving you, you will feel different than when nobody loved you. It's exactly the same.

14. Communicating with God through prayer

Interviewer: It blows my mind trying to work out how God can keep an eye on everybody all at the same time.

AJ: Yeah.

Interviewer: So how does God answer our prayers?

AJ: I think the subject of prayer is almost a completely different subject, but let's look at it in a generalised form because it does portray many of God's characteristics or attributes. When we examine prayer and the potentiality of communication between our own soul and God's as a Soul, or as a Being, then we can see that there have to be certain conditions available before we can engage in this communication. It's a totally different thing for me to have a thought and go, "Oh yeah, it'd be a nice thing to have God's Love." Now did that sound to you like I was very passionate about the idea? [02:08:42.07]

Interviewer: No.

AJ: No. It didn't sound like there was much desire. It just sounded like there was a smidgen of a thought of, "Oh, maybe I could do that." I'm not really that interested. That's a lot different isn't it to if I go "I have to do this," or "I'm going to do this"; there's a lot more firmness in me and there are now feelings in me associated with the thought. I might have the thought still, which is, "I could have a relationship with God" but if the feeling is "I desperately want to have a relationship with God," that's a totally different condition.

AJ: God feels every single one of my feelings; every single one of them. And in particular God feels the feelings that are aimed at God. Just like, if I feel you, I can feel every feeling inside of you. And eventually every single person on the planet will be able to feel every single feeling inside of another person on the planet. But the feelings that you aim at me are the ones that I'm particularly open to feeling. If you aim anger at me, whoa, if I'm open to feeling about that I'll feel that quite a lot. And if I have some injuries inside of myself emotionally, in other words I feel bad about myself somehow or I feel a low sense of worth, if you aim your anger at me I'm going to feel like I'm to blame, there's something wrong with me, and there's all sorts of things that I'll feel, based on that feeling coming out of you and into me.

AJ: Now if you aim a loving feeling at me, like kindness, obviously if I've never had kindness my entire life then as soon as I felt your kindness I'd probably be crying because your feeling will engender its response. It's the same with us with our feelings as it is with God with Her feelings. If we're open to them God's feelings for us will always engender a response inside of us and our feelings for God will always engender a response inside of God. They always encourage a response inside of God. That's prayer. Prayer is God being able to feel our feelings, and God's prayer is us being able to feel God's feelings. So God prays to us, if you think about it, in the way that God desires relationship. God desires us to feel. God desires us to feel God, therefore God is praying to us. God's constantly praying to us. God's constantly trying to have a relationship with us. This is what prayer is. Prayer is this communication that occurs between God and ourselves. That's what establishes relationship.

AJ: So I have to have the ability at some point to feel God's feelings for me, which means sometimes I'm going to have to get confronted, just like when you had certain feelings for me I got confronted. When you had a feeling of kindness towards me and I felt pretty bad about myself, I had to cry. Imagine what it's going to feel like when God feels kindness towards me. I'm probably going to cry for a few days about that one. I'm going to have feelings as a result of God's feelings for me. And I can also have feelings for God that will have a response in God. Now of course God doesn't have any sadness inside of Her so She's not going to cry but She'll certainly be overjoyed. She'll express desire, She'll express passion, She'll express wisdom, intelligence, and personality in Her response to my feelings for Her. If I see it that way, prayer is really a communication of feelings.

14.1. Prayer is a particle that travels from our soul to God's Soul

AJ: Now, if God exists outside of the universe, looking back at our original discussion, and the universe only came into existence after God was in existence, when I'm having a feeling which is a prayer directed at God, it then has to be exiting the universe. So the substance of prayer, from a scientific perspective, and from a particle perspective, has to be something that exists in God's universe, where God exists. For it to reach God, the particle that makes up prayer has to exist in God's universe, wherever God exists.

Interviewer: As well as here.

AJ: As well as here.

Interviewer: And does it come from us?

AJ: This particle comes from us. This particle forms a part of this desire or part of the feelings involved with prayer, because it's not a thought. It's not like, "Oh God, can you give me some love now?" without the feeling involved. That rises no higher than our own head, and it has no effect on God whatsoever. The feeling, however, does have a huge effect on God. When I have this feeling inside of me, it forms a substance that has the ability to open my own soul to receiving from God, but this substance also has the ability to affect God's Soul, who exists outside of this universe. So therefore the particle, the prayer, the desire itself, is a manipulation of a particle that exists in the universe in which God exists. Does that make sense, from a scientific perspective, from a physical perspective? [02:14:40.16]

Interviewer: Is it the same particle going from me outside the universe to God or is it some kind of resonance of the particles in between?

AJ: Well it has to exist in me. It has to exist as a part of my soul. It has to exist inside of myself so, in other words, there's some particles inside of my own soul that must also exist inside of God's soul. And when I express that particular emotion, desire for God, a passion for God and so forth, understanding for God, this particle leaves me and enters God's Soul immediately because I can actually receive a response immediately. So therefore this particle is capable of transcending space and time. In other words it's not dependent on the speed of light. It is faster than the speed of light, this particle, and it results in immediate conversation between God and myself. These are the kinds of experiments that I was referring to right at the beginning of our discussion, with regard to the particles that exist in God's universe in comparison to the particles that exist in our universe. There have to be some particles that exist in both, otherwise prayer would not exist. [02:16:01.11]

AJ: And this tells me things about God's nature as well, that God created particles that are able to transcend time and space and also physically exit the universe in which we exist and enter another part that is outside of the universe in which we exist, in which God exists. That raises a whole new set of questions, doesn't it?

Interviewer: I'll say!

AJ: And perhaps, Luli, that's probably a good place to end this interview and then continue with the other questions in the second session. What I've just presented is firstly a concept that emotions create particles or manipulate particles that transcend barriers of the actual universe itself and can enter God's Soul, and also that God can transmit such particles via a conduit, via the same kind of means, via desire. [02:17:10.24]

Interviewer: Separate from the Holy Spirit?

AJ: Separate to the Holy Spirit.

Interviewer: Because this is a feeling?

AJ: This is our feeling for God transmitted. It's not necessarily transmitted via the Holy Spirit but you could say that there have to be conduits or pathways through which these desires and passions that exist in our soul can be transmitted to God and God can receive them. And then God can have desires or passions that involve our own soul that we can then receive. This is communication, and that's what I call prayer.

AJ: And this tells us a lot of truths about the physical universe in which we live, in the sense that it tells us that space and time are not barriers that we believe them to be for a start. It also tells us that we are able to have instant communication to a being that lives beyond our universes. So that tells us that the particles that exist or travel between ourselves and God have to exist in God's universe as well as our own. That tells us there's scientific experiments that we could do about these particular particles. We could find out their characteristics through a whole series of scientific experiences that do not involve particle accelerators and do not involve cyclotrons or any other type of physics-based thing that we have to create.

AJ: And this follows on from what I was saying at the beginning of our interview. There are experiments that we can engage in scientifically that are far more simple than what is currently engaged in scientifically that would tell us far more about the universe if we just understood some of these basic facts about God, God's nature, God's attributes, qualities, the universe and the universe's nature and attributes and qualities.

Interviewer: Awesome.

AJ: It's awesome, isn't it?

Interviewer: Yeah. Well I won't ask any more questions.

15. Closing Words

AJ: No worries. So we'll proceed shall we at some other time with the other questions you have and hopefully, using some of this discussion we've had today, we can maybe elaborate a bit more on some of those experiments but also elaborate a bit more on God's nature and qualities as well.

15.1. Audience discussion regarding prayer

Participant: So prayer is the most powerful thing we can access because it transcends time and space and enters God's universe?

AJ: Yeah, and enters God.

Participant: Would a gift then be transcending the prayer as well?

AJ: Well a gift usually - always - involves love, so love is obviously a part of prayer. It's like every single thing that God ever does. Love always forms a part of it. When I transmit things to God my love forms a part of it. When God transmits things to me God's Love forms a part of whatever is transmitted to me. And so a gift is always involving love, whatever the gift is. The gift might be our personality trait, it might be knowledge, it might be more truth, it might be some other thing; wisdom, power. It might be all sorts of things that God gives us and God gives us many gifts - power, wisdom, knowledge - they all have love that forms the basis of the gift. Whatever we look at in terms of attributes and qualities of God, we need to start with love, and love forming the basis of everything else. [02:21:48.06]

Participant: And then for our prayer to transcend time and space and enter God's universe into God, it has to have a pure desire attached to it from us?

AJ: Yeah. Which is a part of our love.

Participant: And then to receive in return what we're praying for.

AJ: True, but see a lot of people's prayer comes from their mind, and the mind only exists in the spirit body form. This is why it has no effect, because prayer that comes from the mind doesn't involve love from our soul and it doesn't involve a desire. The particle that actually transmits prayer can't be engaged by the mind, so therefore prayer from the mind is useless. [02:22:42.20]

Participant: So it has to come from a desire?

AJ: It has to come from the particles. It has to be a part of the particles that are manipulated by emotion. And the particles that manipulate emotion are the ones that transcend the boundary of our universe. The particles that are not manipulated by emotion do not transcend the universe. They stay within the universe. Our intellect, our thoughts, can travel distance but they cannot transcend the universe. Our thoughts will not enter God's universe because they are not manipulating the same particles that our emotions are.

Participant: But God can still read our thoughts, right?

AJ: God can read our thoughts by part of God entering the universe and reading our thoughts. God can do anything in the universe, just like if we created something then we could do anything in it. You've got a car; you can enter the engine, pull it apart and put it back together again. Well God can do that with you, too. God can enter you, pull you apart, and put you back together again, so that means God can read your thought. God has the ability to see your thoughts but your thoughts cannot enter God, in the sense that your thoughts cannot enter God because none of the thoughts you have actually engage a particle that is beyond the physical universe in which you live. However the feelings that you have inside of you engage particles that are beyond the universe, beyond all of the universes that have ever been created; the feelings you have engage particles beyond that universe. Because they engage those particles, they can now be transmitted to where God exists. And they enter God. The thoughts can't. This is why you can have lots of really bad thoughts about God – they won't touch Him. You can have lots of really good thoughts about God – they won't touch Him. (Laughter)

Participant: Thank God. (Laughter)

AJ: Thank God (smiling). But you can have lots of really bad feelings about God and they will pass through God. Of course God has no response to them, in the sense of no negative response, but they do pass through God because they are feelings, and therefore they are able to transcend the boundary of the physical and spiritual universes, and they enter God.

Participant: That's just such a great way of looking at it though, isn't it?

AJ: Yep, it's like everything, Barbara; there is a physical scientific explanation as well as an emotional explanation. The interesting thing is that the emotional explanation is always simpler to understand. The physical explanation is very complicated.

Participant: And you know what, so much more beautiful as well.

AJ: Yeah, exactly. And this is where people who are involved in metaphysics and understanding the whole physical part of it often don't get the emotional part of it. But if you can get the emotional part of it then you'll understand the physical one eventually. So now that I've described prayer to you in the way that I have, you'll be able to get that pretty easily emotionally if you understand prayer. But if you've never thought of prayer then you'll be thinking, "How does it work?" because you've never felt the transmission between yourself and God, you don't really know.

Participant: Well, prayer and religion to me always felt hollow.

AJ: Well a lot of it is hollow. Not all of it but a lot of it is because a lot of it is encouraged to come from the mind. Now obviously anything that's rote, you know, like, 'Say Our Father 25 times - Our Father Who art in heaven", which is a rote thing to do, is not going to involve much of your emotions except perhaps an emotion of annoyance as a result of it.

Participant: God will feel that.

AJ: Yeah, God will feel your annoyance but God won't feel that you're asking God to do something. God responds to what you feel because what you feel is the prayer, particularly when it's directed at God.

Participant: That's really beautiful.

Mary: Babe, I see the beauty in that. I don't know if I'm over-analysing it, in that God designed it that way so that we have to access our soul because He knows that that's the most powerful, beautiful part of us.

AJ: Well it's the only real part of us, too.

Mary: Yeah, so if He responded to prayers from our mind then we'd be circumventing the whole...

AJ: Then we'd be busily doing it in our mind and never developing our soul.

Mary: It always seems to me like He's built in to everybody's process the best possible thing for our joy, ultimately. I can't really explain it very well.

AJ: Yeah, definitely.

Participant: That point you made on humility though; I've often prayed for humility to enter me and at times I've felt that I have become more humble without any emotional changes myself. So with what you said today, that's possible.

AJ: Yeah, of course.

Participant: That's just so fantastic.

AJ: Awesome, guys. Thank you. Thanks, Luli.

