Carly's brother Daniel says his six year old nephew's
desire to be a girl is from
his mother's misguided parenting.
But Carly and Bradly say they'll do whatever it takes
to support their son's transition.
Now joining us is Dr. Charles Sophy
who is on the Dr. Phil advisory board
and is board certified in three,
count 'em, three clinical specialties,
Adult Psychiatry and Child Adolescent Psychiatry
and Family Practice
as well as being the medical director
for the department of child and family services
here in LA which is the largest agency
in the entire country.
Dr. Sophy thank you for being here.
Do you want to say anything generally
based on what you've seen so far?
Yes I just think that it's important
for you to make sure that none of
this conversion treatment camp residual that you have
is driving any of that.
'Cause I think that's probably
what he's trying
to say.
That's what I'm
trying to say.
And just be clear about it.
Trust me it will come out
if it's being forced okay.
I do just want to say one statement
was that was not the beginning statement
how they started having conversations
of transgenderism.
That was post video conversation.
Okay none of
that matters really.
I'm just saying that
that they're saying that that's how it
all began to be.
Okay rest assured
they're doing the right thing okay.
(panelists chattering)
Rest assured they're doing the right thing.
Okay we've got to take a break.
I said I wanted to say some things
in defense of Daniel
and quite seriously
what I mean by that is if
and again I'm saying this hypothetically.
If someone was taking
a child and trying
to brain wash them,
program them really
confuse them into being someone
they're not you would have real reason
for concern and I would really expect you
to raise the alarm.
Correct.
And really wave the flags.
I mean that would be a very valid thing to do.
I mean anyone would do that.
And I think you're very sincere
in your concern.
So I don't think you're just trying
to be oppositional here.
I don't think that you're bigoted
about this or whatever.
I think you're uninformed about a lot of things
but I don't think that you're just trying
to be a problem here.
I think your concern is sincere.
The good news for you is
if you think that she's trying to talk this child
into that she's wasting her time
because that will never happen.
That will never happen
and it will come out.
Do you believe that there is a certain time
that that will happen?
It starts at about three when a child
knows they have a deep sense of gender identity at
about three years of age.
And as long as you keep options
available and they're always available
the main thing is that this child grow up
surrounded by love whoever and whatever
they choose to be.
Agreed.
However they choose
to live that they don't grow up
with anger, judgment from anybody
in the family.
It's tough enough to grow up
without half of the family being angry,
rejecting, all of these things.
A child needs to grow up being loved 360 degrees
regardless of what they are
and what they say they want to be.
(audience applauding)
And shame on anybody
that is not providing that 24/7.
That child needs to grow up with love
and acceptance I mean
if they come in with a pirate hat on
then love them with a pirate hat on.
If they come in with a dress on,
love 'em with a dress on.
And they will work it out.
Just make sure they have lots of options
and understand they're free to choose
and re-choose and change their choosing.
And as long as you do that then
this support the child's choices,
and stop making them a battle ground.
That's all I'm saying.
This child will find where she needs to be.
And if right now her sense is Bella
then love her being Bella.
And if two years from now she says
that's where I wanted to be
but now I want to be James
then love James.
Just love the child for being whoever they are
and stop all of this other.
(audience applause)
