>>> WELCOME BACK.
>>> WELCOME BACK.
THE PANEL IS JOINING US.
NBC NEWS WHITE HOUSE
CORRESPONDENT HALLIE JACKSON,
"THE NEW YORK TIMES"
CORRESPONDENT MICHAEL SCHMIDT.
YAMICHE ALCINDOR, WHITE HOUSE
CORRESPONDENT FOR PBS NEWS HOUR
AND FORMER REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR
OF NORTH CAROLINA AND RADIO
HOST, PAT McCRORY.
WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU.
IM GOING TO START WITH SHOWING
OUR APOCALYPTIC CAMPAIGN FRAME
THAT BOTH TRUMP AND BIDEN
CREATED AT THEIR CONVENTIONS.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> HE IS THE DESTROYER OF
AMERICAS JOBS.
IF GIVEN THE CHANCE, HE WILL BE
THE DESTROYER OF AMERICAN
GREATNESS.
>> HES FAILED TO PROTECT US.
HES FAILED TO PROTECT AMERICA.
>> THE HARD TRUTH IS, YOU WONT
BE SAFE IN JOE BIDENS AMERICA.
>> DONALD TRUMPS FAILURE OF
LEADERSHIP HAS COST LIVES AND
LIVELIHOODS.
>> HALLIE JACKSON, THIS ISNT A
CAMPAIGN WHERE YOURE WONDERING,
GEEZ, BOY, BOTH SIDES ARE
RUNNING ON THE SAME MESSAGE.
ITS PRETTY CLEAR.
I TELL YOU, WE HEARD THOSE
MESSAGES.
TWO PEOPLE WERE KILLED -- WE HAD
THREE PEOPLE KILLED THIS WEEK IN
ESSENTIALLY WHAT MAY BE
POLITICAL PROTESTS.
WERE ENTERING UNCHARTED WATERS
HERE.
>> I MEAN YOURE COMPLETELY
RIGHT, CHUCK.
ITS SOMETHING THAT WERE GOING
TO BE HEARING A LOT MORE ABOUT
FROM ESPECIALLY THE PERSON THAT
I COVER, PRESIDENT TRUMP.
IM TOLD BY SOURCES OVER THE
WEEKEND AS I WAS COMING ON THE
AIR WITH YOU, CHUCK, THAT
VIOLENCE IN THE STREETS, QUOTE
UNQUOTE, WILL BE ONE OF THE
THREE CENTRAL THEMES TO THE
PRESIDENTS CAMPAIGNING AND THE
VICE PRESIDENTS CAMPAIGNING
MOVING FORWARD OVER THE NEXT 65
DAYS OR SO ALONG WITH WHAT THEY
CONSIDER TO BE A FOCUS ON WHAT
THEY SEE IS AN IMPROVING ECONOMY
AS WELL AS TALKING ABOUT THE
CORONAVIRUS AND WHAT THEY ARE
DOING TO TRY TO MITIGATE THE
PANDEMIC, IF YOU WILL.
WHETHER OR NOT THAT WILL BE
EFFECTIVE MESSAGING FOR PEOPLE
REMAINS TO BE SEEN, BUT THIS
ISSUE OF VIOLENCE IS ONE THAT
YOUVE ALREADY SEEN THE
PRESIDENT, HIS ALLIES, HIS
SURROGATES TALKING ABOUT.
THEY BELIEVE TRULY THAT THIS IS
GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WILL
MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO GET TO THE
POLLS.
ITS A MESSAGE THE PRESIDENT IS
EXPECTED TO TAKE ON THE ROAD,
CHUCK.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE IS GOING
TO BE TRAVELING A TON.
OVER THE WEEKEND HE WAS TELLING
ALLIES THAT HE WANTED THE BEST
AND MOST AGGRESSIVE TRAVEL
SCHEDULE.
IN THE WORDS OF ONE PERSON I
TALKED TO, HE KNOWS HE CANT WIN
FROM INSIDE THE BUILDING SO ITS
A MESSAGE THE PRESIDENT WILL
TAKE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL
HEAVILY OVER THE COMING WEEKS
AND DAYS.
LOOK FOR HIM TO BE IN FLORIDA,
LOOK FOR HIM TO BE IN NORTH
CAROLINA.
MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN.
I HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT
MINNESOTA AS WELL, CHUCK.
>> YAMICHE, WHERE ARE WE RIGHT
NOW, AND WHERES THE BIDEN
CAMPAIGN IN THIS MOMENT IN YOUR
MIND?
>> THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN AGREES
WITH ESSENTIALLY ONE THING THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID DURING THE
RNC, WHICH IS THAT THIS IS THE
MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN THE
HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.
BOTH OF THEM ARE MAKING THE CASE
THAT THIS ELECTION IS GOING TO
BE CHANGING LIVES.
AND AS CEDRIC RICHMOND TOLD YOU,
THEY SEE THIS ISSUE OF UNARMED
BLACK PEOPLE BEING KILLED IN THE
STREETS AS LOW-HANGING FRUIT.
THAT AMERICA SHOULD BE ABLE TO
GET THIS RIGHT.
SO THEY SEE THIS AS REALLY
PITCHING THIS FORWARD AND SAYING
THIS IS THE CHAOS, THE DEATHS
THAT WERE SEEING FROM COVID AS
WELL AS THE DEATHS OF
AFRICAN-AMERICANS AT TWO AND A
HALF TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE
AMERICANS AT THE HANDS OF
POLICE, THIS SHOULD BE THE
CENTRAL ISSUE.
THEY PITCH THIS AS A BATTLE FOR
THE SOUL OF AMERICA.
THATS THE MESSAGING THAT YOURE
GOING TO HEAR OVER AND OVER
AGAIN.
THEYRE REALLY GOING TO BE
MAKING THE CASE THAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP FAILED MISERABLY ON THE
CORONAVIRUS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING AS
I WAS COVERING ON THE SOUTH LAWN
OF THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY, THAT
GATHERING OF PEOPLE WITH NO
MASKS, SITTING SHOULDER TO
SHOULDER CHEERING ON THE
PRESIDENT ON THIS HOT SUMMER
NIGHT IN D.C.
THE WHITE HOUSE TRANSFORMED
COMPLETELY INTO A CONVENTION
SPACE.
THE PRESIDENT STARTED MAKING THE
CASE THAT THE UNITED STATES WAS
ONE OF THE BEST PLACES WHEN IT
CAME TO DEATH RATES IN AMERICA.
SO HIS IDEA AND THE PLAN THERE
IS GOING TO BE TO TRY TO PAINT
THIS ROSY PICTURE AND SPEAK
ABOUT THE VIRUS ALMOST AS IF
ITS IN THE REAR-VIEW MIRROR.
WE KNOW THATS NOT TRUE.
THE UNITED STATES IS SECOND ONLY
TO INDIA IN THE NUMBER OF NEW
CASES.
WERE SEEING EVERY DAY ABOUT
42,000 CASES.
ALONG WITH THE DEATH RATE BEING
ONE OF THE WORST IF NOT THE
WORST IN TERMS OF MODERNIZED,
INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS, RACE AND
THE CORONAVIRUS WILL BE TOP OF
MIND FOR JOE BIDEN.
HES GOING TO BE HITTING THE
CAMPAIGN TRAIL AFTER LABOR DAY
AS WELL GOING TO ALL SORTS OF
STATES THAT HE SEES AS CRITICAL.
>> PAT McCRORY, HOW DOES THE
PRESIDENT NOT WALK A LINE AND
NOT LOOK LIKE HES ROOTING FOR
VIOLENCE?
YOU KNOW, KELLYANNE CONWAY ON
FRIDAY MAKING THE CASE THAT
SOMEHOW THAT SHE BELIEVES THIS
HELPS THEM.
THERES THIS LINE, AND THERES
AT TIMES YOU LOOK FROM A
POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE, ITS
ALMOST, OH, THE VIOLENCE CAN BE
HELPFUL POLITICALLY AND THAT CAN
COME ACROSS AS ALMOST LOOKING
LIKE HES ROOTING FOR IT.
>> WELL, BACK IN MAY WHEN I WAS
ON THIS PANEL RIGHT AFTER THE
MINNESOTA RIOTS AND PROTESTS, I
GAVE WARNING, DO NOT
UNDERESTIMATE THE ANARCHISTS.
I ACTUALLY THINK A LOT OF
DEMOCRATIC MAYORS AND DEMOCRATIC
GOVERNORS AND EVEN JOE BIDEN
UNDERESTIMATED THE ANARCHISTS
AND THE FEELING THAT PEOPLE WILL
HAVE, ESPECIALLY THE MIDDLE
CLASS, BOTH BLACK AND WHITE,
AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ATTACK OUR
POLICE, WHO WANT TO DEFUND OUR
POLICE, WHO COME ACROSS AS
ANTI-POLICE, WHEN MOST PEOPLE IN
AMERICA ARE IN FAVOR OF THE
POLICE.
THEYRE NOT IN FAVOR OF BAD
SHOOTINGS, TERRIBLE, HORRENDOUS
SHOOTINGS, BUT WHATS HAPPENED
IS THE ANARCHISTS HAVE
INFILTRATED PEACEFUL PROTESTS
AND HAVE GOTTEN NO PUSHBACK FROM
THE LIBERAL WING OF THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OR ANYONE IN
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
ITS PUT THE DEMOCRATS ON THEIR
HEELS REGARDING THE ISSUE OF
PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOW A MAJOR
ISSUE IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL
CAMPAIGN.
>> YOU KNOW, MICHAEL SCHMIDT,
LOOK, I THINK DEMOCRATS WOULD
RESPOND TO GOVERNOR McCRORY AND
SAY THATS ONE-HALF OF THE
PROBLEM.
THERE ARE ALSO RIGHT-WING
INSTIGATEORS
INSTIGATORS.
IT DOES SEEM AS IF RIGHT NOW
THERE IS SOME BAD INSTIGATORS
LOOKING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
THIS MOMENT MAYBE FOR NEFARIOUS
REASONS OR REASONS WERE NOT
TALKING ABOUT.
THIS TO ME IS THE REAL DANGER OF
THIS POLITICAL MOMENT WERE IN
AS A COUNTRY.
>> THE THING THAT I PICKED UP ON
THIS WEEK AS THIS WAS ALL
PLAYING OUT WITH THE
CONVENTIONS, IS JUST THIS IDEA
THAT THINGS ARE TIGHTENING.
AS WE CAME THROUGH THE SUMMER,
AS THE PRESIDENT STRUGGLED TO
COMMUNICATE AMID ALL OF THESE
CRISES, THERE WAS SOME SENSE
THAT BIDEN WAS REALLY PULLING
AHEAD.
BUT IN THE PAST FEW DAYS COMING
OUT OF THIS, THERES JUST THIS
PREVAILING FEELING AMONGST
FOLKS, AND MAYBE IT DOESNT BEAR
ITSELF OUT IN EVERY POLL, BUT
THAT THIS IS A MUCH MORE
UNPREDICTABLE SITUATION THAN WE
THOUGHT MAYBE JUST A FEW WEEKS
AGO.
WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT 2016 AND
YOU LOOK AT HILLARY CLINTONS
NUMBERS AT THAT POINT COMPARED
TO WHERE BIDEN IS NOW, ITS JUST
THAT THIS IS NOT A SURE THING
FOR ANYONE OR FOR ANYTHING.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AN
INCREDIBLY UNPREDICTABLE FALL.
WHETHER ITS THE VIRUS, THE
POLITICS OR THE PROTESTS,
THERES JUST AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT
OF UNPREDICTABILITY AS WE HEAD
FORWARD.
>> CHUCK, I WANT TO ALSO SAY I
DIDNT SAY RIGHT-WING OR
LEFT-WING, ITS ANARCHY.
EITHER SIDE CAN UNDERESTIMATE
ANARCHISTS.
IF WE DO, WERE IN TROUBLE AS A
NATION.
>> NO, NO, NO, NO.
IM GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT,
PAT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THROW THE
ANARCHISTS ONTO THE LEFT WING
AND I THINK THAT THATS A --
THERE SEEMS TO BE INSTIGATORS
HERE MESSING AROUND OUTSIDE OF
EITHER SORT OF POLITICAL
MOVEMENT AT THIS POINT.
>> ANARCHISTS DONT CARE.
THEY JUST WANT TO CAUSE
VIOLENCE.
>> EXACTLY.
THEY WANT TO BURN IT DOWN.
ALL RIGHT, GUYS, IM GOING TO
PAUSE IT HERE.
WHEN WE COME BACK, BOTH
POLITICAL PARTIES ARE FIGHTING
TO REGISTER NEW VOTERS IN
TO REGISTER NEW VOTERS IN
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