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>> Dana: WELCOME BACK.
THE HEAD OF NEW YORK CITY’S
LARGEST POLICE UNION RAILING
AGAINST WHAT HE SAYS IS THE WAY
IN THE NEW YORK POLICE
DEPARTMENT IS BEEN TREATED BY
THE MEDIA AND LAWMAKERS.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> I AM NOT DEREK CHAUVIN.
THEY ARE NOT HIM.
HE KILLED SOMEONE.
WE DIDN’T.
STOP TREATING US LIKE ANIMALS
AND THUGS START TREATING US WITH
SOME RESPECT.
WE HAVE BEEN VILIFIED.
IT’S DISGUSTING.
>> Dana: JESSE, DEFUND THE
POLICE WON’T REALLY BE AN ISSUE
IF WE CAN’T FIND PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO WORK AS POLICE ANYMORE.
>> Jesse: THAT’S TRUE.
THESE PEOPLE VOLUNTEER.
THEY ARE NOT DRAFTED.
IT’S A NOBLE PROFESSION.
WE SHOULD BE THANKING THEM.
WHENEVER THERE IS AN EMERGENCY,
WHO DO YOU CALL?
YOU CALL THE POLICE.
WHEN YOUR BABY STOPS BREATHING,
WHEN YOUR FRIEND GETS RAPED,
WHEN YOUR DAD ODs, WHEN YOUR
HUSBAND HAS A HEART ATTACK, WHEN
THERE’S A MASSIVE COLLISION ON
THE HIGHWAY, YOU CALL 911.
THEY ARE THERE TO HELP.
THEY SAY WHAT’S YOUR EMERGENCY
AND YOU GIVE THE ADDRESS AND
WITHIN MINUTES OF SQUAD CARS ARE
THERE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH VIOLENCE
THESE PEOPLE SEE?
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH BLOOD, HOW
MUCH DANGER?
THEY WEAR BULLETPROOF VESTS
BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING SHOT AT.
THERE ARE BAD GUYS OUT THERE WHO
TAKE ADVANTAGE.
THERE ARE SCAM ARTISTS,
CON ARTISTS, IDENTITY THIEVES,
STRONG ARM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THESE POLICE ARE THERE TO
PROTECT YOU.
WE JUST HAD A COVID-19 OUTBREAK.
EVERYONE IS SITTING HOME WASHING
YOUR HANDS, WATCHING NETFLIX.
THEY ARE OUT THERE PATROLLING
THE STREETS EVERY DAY WITH MASKS
ON.
THEY ARE GOING INTO PEOPLE’S
HOMES WHERE THERE IS DOMESTIC
DISPUTE.
WHEN SOME GIRL CALLS THE POLICE
BECAUSE HER BOYFRIEND IS BEATING
HER UP.
THEY ARE THERE TO HELP HER AND
HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
TO SIT ON THE SIDELINES AND SAY
THESE GUYS ARE BAD GUYS.
WE NEED TO TAKE THEIR MONEY
AWAY.
THEY DON’T LIKE BLACK PEOPLE.
NO.
THAT’S NOT THE CASE AT ALL.
I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO STEP
BACK AND LOOK.
THESE PEOPLE ARE GOOD PEOPLE,
AND WE NEED TO HONOR THEM
BECAUSE WITHOUT THE POLICE,
THERE WOULD BE NO CIVILIZATION.
>> Dana: LAWRENCE, WHEN YOU
SAW THE VIDEO OF THAT POLICE
UNION CHIEF, WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE
AWAY?
>> Lawrence: YOU KNOW, IT WAS
HEARTBREAKING BECAUSE I THINK
THERE IS A SIMILAR FEELING.
YOU’VE GOT THE POLICING LOOK,
DON’T JUDGE US BY THE BAD
APPLES, RIGHT?
AND YOU’VE GOT PEOPLE IN THE
COMMUNITY SING LOOK, NOT ALL OF
US ARE CRIMINAL SO DON’T TREAT
US ALL LIKE THE BAD GUYS AS
WELL.
I THINK WE ARE AT A BOILING
POINT IN THIS COUNTRY.
AND WE’VE GOT A LOOK AT PEOPLE
AS INDIVIDUALS.
I’M REMINDED OF THE MINNESOTA
POLICE CHIEF, HE DID A PRESS
CONFERENCE TODAY AND HE TALKED
ABOUT HIM IMPLEMENTING THE DUTY
TO INTERVENE IN THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
HE’S TRYING TO REFORM THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, GOT THE MAJORITY OF
HIS COPS TO GET ON BOARD AND NOW
THE STORY IN MINNESOTA HAS
BECOME ABOUT THE GUY THAT PUT
HIS KNEE AND KILLED AN AMERICAN
CITIZEN AND THE OTHER ONES THAT
DIDN’T INTERVENE.
EVEN THOUGH HE WAS MAKING SO
MUCH HEADWAY IN HIS POLICE
DEPARTMENT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS
THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE OUT THERE,
BAD CRIMINALS, THAT AMERICAN
CITIZENS, BAD COPS.
WE’VE GOT A REFORM THIS THING
TOGETHER AND WE’VE GOT A LOOK AT
EACH OTHER’S HUMANITY.
I’M JUST AFRAID THAT THE
COUNTRY, THE WILL AND US LOOKING
AT EACH OTHER AS AMERICANS, WE
ARE DOING HARM TO OURSELVES
RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THERE ARE REAL REFORMS
THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE BUT
THERE WAS A REPORT BY THE AP
TODAY SAYING THAT THE HOMELAND
SECURITY IS SAYING THAT PEOPLE
ARE LEAKING OFFICERS PERSONAL
INFORMATION.
THAT’S NOT COOL EITHER.
YOU CAN’T PUT INNOCENT COPS AT
RISK BECAUSE YOU’RE ANGRY.
SO WE HAVE TO TAKE A CHILL PILL.
>> Dana: EMILY, YOU SAID YOU
WANTED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS
ABOUT THE POLICE IN DEFENDING
THE POLICE IN THIS BLOCK.
I’LL LET YOU DO THAT NOW.
>> Emily: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THE VILIFICATION OF
LAW ENFORCEMENT IS DANGEROUS AND
IT’S ABSOLUTELY HEARTBREAKING.
AND WE TALK ABOUT, WE KEEP
TALKING ABOUT THE GOOD OFFICERS
OUT THERE.
SEATTLE PD, SEATTLE WHERE I
LIVE, JUST LOST ONE.
OFFICER JOSH JOHNSON POSTED A
REALLY SOBERING ACCOUNT ON HIS
PERSONAL FACEBOOK PAGE, AND HE
SAID HE ACKNOWLEDGED THE NEED
FOR REFORM AND ACCOUNTABILITY
AND ESPECIALLY THE DEPARTMENTS
COMMITMENT TO ENSURING JUSTICE
BUT HE SAID IT’S NOT NEW.
SEATTLE LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN
INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR
QUITE SOME TIME AND HOLDING
COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND
GATHERINGS AND THE LIKE.
HE SAID HOWEVER THAT IN THE WAKE
OF GEORGE FLOYD’S KILLING THAT
HE WAS HOPEFUL THAT HE HAD HOPED
FAYETTE THINGS COULD HAVE MONEY
METAL CHANGE BUT HE SAID THE
ONLY THING HE LEARNED THE LAST
TWO WEEKS IS THAT ALL HOPE HAS
BEEN EXTINGUISHED FOR THAT.
HE SAID THAT HE’S SEEN HIS BLACK
COLLEAGUES BE CALLED TRAITORS,
UNCLE TOMS, AND THE N-WORD BY
WHITE PROTESTERS AND THAT HE
SEES NOW AND ACKNOWLEDGES THAT
THE COMMUNITY "DOESN’T WANT THEM
THERE," THAT THEY HAVE TOTALLY
TURNED THEIR BACK ON THEM AND
THEY SEE THEM AS WORSE THAN THE
CRIMINALS THAT THEY ARE THERE
TRYING TO PROTECT.
HE SAID "PROGRESS IS OFF THE
TABLE.
DISCUSSIONS OFF THE TABLE.
PROGRESS COMES FROM NOTHING AND
THE UNITY TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS IS
DISMISSED."
KEEP IN MIND YOU GUYS, THE REAL
VICTIMS HERE AS JESSE POINTED
OUT, THEY ARE
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS,
IN-STATE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
VICTIMS, SEX TRAFFICKING
VICTIMS, THEY ARE EVERYONE WHO’S
VOICELESS AT THIS MOMENT WHO IS
MUTED BY THESE LOUD PROTESTS AND
CRIES FOR DEFINING WHEN WE ALL
KNOW THAT THE VILIFICATION OF
POLICE WILL HAVE LESS TOOK ON
LASTING RAMIFICATIONS FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
>> Dana: WILL JUAN, LET’S GET
FINAL THOUGHTS FROM YOU.
>> Juan: I DON’T SEE
VILIFICATION OF POLICE.
I SEE THAT WE LIVE IN A SYSTEM
THAT CELEBRATES POLICE AND
PROTECTS POLICE.
THAT MAN, THAT POLICE CHIEF, AND
THE POLICE UNION REPRESENTATIVE
THAT WAS TALKING, SOMETHING THAT
YOU TOUCHED ON, UNIONS ARE PART
OF THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.
WHY?
THEY PROTECT THAT COPS AND THEY
PUT IT INTO THE CONTRACTS.
TODAY IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE
THAT LAWRENCE WAS REFERENCING,
CHIEF ARRADONDO IN MINNEAPOLIS,
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHY THAT
DEPARTMENT IS SAYING THAT THEY
ARE GOING TO WITHDRAW THIS
CONTRACT WITH THEIR POLICE.
HE SAID IT’S NOT ABOUT BENEFITS.
IT’S NOT ABOUT WAGES.
IT’S ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHEN
YOU WANT TO DISCIPLINE A BACKUP,
THE UNION HAS A CONTRACT THAT
PREVENTS THAT OFFICE, THE CHIEF
OF POLICE FROM DOING THAT JOB.
HE CAN’T GET RID OF A BAD COP.
HE’S GOT TO PUT THEM BACK ON THE
FORCE AND EVEN WORSE, HE SAYS
HE’S GOT TO PUT THEM BACK ON THE
STREETS.
SO YOU GET SOMEBODY LIKE THE MAN
WHO PUT HIS KNEE ON GEORGE
FLOYD’S NECK WHO HAD SEVERAL
ISSUES BUT AGAIN HE’S BACK ON
THE STREET.
NO DATA, NO WAY TO MONITOR, NO
PROCESS.
THAT’S THE UNION NOT SERVING
GOOD POLICEMEN AND WOMEN AND I
THINK THAT’S THE REAL HEART OF
THE ISSUE.
WHEN JESSE IS TALKING ABOUT
WELL, IF YOUR GIRLFRIEND,
BOYFRIEND IS DRUNK OR SOMEBODY
HAS A HEART ATTACK, MAYBE WE
SHOULDN’T BE SENDING POLICE TO
THAT.
MAYBE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BETTER
WAYS TO SERVE THAT NEED.
IT’S NOT ABOUT TOUGH COBS AND
DIRTY HARRY SHOWING UP AT THE
DOOR.
I DON’T THINK THAT SERVES THE
POLICE OR THE COMMUNITY.
>> Jesse: IF A WOMAN IS
GETTING BEATEN UP BY HER DRUNK
BOYFRIEND, I DON’T THINK THE
THERAPIST IS GOING TO HELP HER.
I WOULD TAKE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
>> Juan: I THINK EVERYBODY
AGREES WITH YOU ON THE UNIONS.
>> Lawrence: WHAT I HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH DEMOCRATS, IF YOU
NOTICE THE UNIONS IN THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, WHY DON’T YOU SEE TH
FAULT WITH ALL THE OTHER UNIONS,
LIKE THE TEACHERS UNION THAT
PREVENT US FROM GETTING QUALITY
EDUCATION.
>> Juan: ARE YOU KIDDING?
LAWRENCE, YOU ARE TALKING TO ME.
I’M SOMEBODY WHO -- I DON’T SEE
GOOD PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR BLACK
KIDS IN CITIES.
IF YOU KNOW ME, YOU KNOW I HAVE
FOR SCHOOL CHOICE.
THAT’S NOT AN ISSUE.
I JUST DON’T LIKE THE WAY --
