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professor richard dawkins is with us he
has a new book out the british
pathologist evolutionary biologist
in offer
uh... the uh... the work that he's
probably the most famous for is a
selfish gene
but he's got a new book out called the
magic of reality how we know what's
really true either via my last week on
television if you'd like to see that
they'll extended interview he got to go
to uh... conversations with great minds
dot com professor dawkins welcome
great to have you with us on the radio
program here bob your
your book the magic of reality how we
know what's really true one of the
things that you mention the last week a
week before when we spoke was the sense
of
of you use the word spirituality as i
recall or maybe maybe i did anything up
andrea and and also seen that with
science in a way that this
see it's it from religion can you verify
that a little bit because i think that
that's
a piece of you know
the magic of reality is about
we don't want to have anything to do
with anything supernatural and for the
word spiritual hit a bad word of the
project a supernatural it's a good word
suggest something poetic
something wonderful to be wonderful
which of course five people
and if you could look at the university
but the world look at life
through the eyes of high-end
then he did wonderful he poetic habitat
not supernatural x macro the natural is
wonderful the magic of reality and then
for many people who don't understand it
science they don't understand the
natural
it may seem
supernatural
that ryder truck or anything
supernatural justin admission of defeat
at the constitution part-time
we have to preheated natural paper
didn't yet understand it we need to work
a bit harder
great okay so let's get into
the chapters for the first chapter book
profitably was uh... who was the first
person
who was if as his second chapter eleven
uh... beat him
uh... it have applied the paradox alarm
panetta want the first person to cripple
already gradual
amsterdam
uh... about it because helpfulness happy
and
and we call up and picked up
the previous species tomo director
but didn't have a wall of the moment
went home early director parents gave
rise to homeopathy and child
it was all much to gradual for that
and spending those always literally back
to the assembly of d_n_a_
because all the way back via by a team
to look like monkeys seemed to like
danny murphy would look like shrewd
didn't look like it
uh... amber
problematic moment in the book where
i help you to imagine your hundred and
eighty-five million great-grandfather
and you can edit the page and there
isn't it
and uh...
uh... i'm curious your thoughts on why
in the united kingdom
there is any
as the united kingdom at not just
because of your country
but uh... it
most of the developed world
there's a broad acceptance of science
as
you know pretty solid stuff in here in
the united states the fact that science
is always is always on-going process of
inquiry and in very rarely a science
settled there's always some
uh... element of inquiry to it
the that the heart of right and the
religious right this country has seized
upon that to say things like well
evolution is not it's still it still
open question global warming is still
open plan are still questions you know
by tobacco causes
system cancers
still open
here
and united states is reformers and could
pick up in the world a better pre-test
uh... find good on in this country but
also united state paradoxically houses
maker does over twenty-five anti
intellectual effin it is a quite
astounding fact that more than forty
percent of the american people
believe
the world univer
in grafton ten thousand years old a
quite astonishing era phnom penh dot
side by friday
with some of the greatest artists in the
world
no that the world is four and a half
million years old and the university of
nearly fourteen billion years old
i'm interests you take on if you've had
an opportunity to review the science and
and and perhaps not i think it's just
the last week or so that they've
uh...
come out and said that the universe is
not only expanding but it's expanding
rap you know with increasing
speeding apparently
there is some sort of dark matter that
has
greater power then gravity uh...
tree when you'd have to update it just
about that time a biologist okay
and what i would think would be purely
an and what-have-you but you don't go to
show how exciting times his apart moving
frances
anticrime is prepared to change its mind
when that new evidence
yes and this this is one of the surgery
things about science on in the book for
the in the book you address the question
one chapter what a bad thing seventy or
otherwise good things happen to people
the whether quoted just really why do
things happen yeah and in a particular
we've been talking about bad things are
looking to cut but
that people
dude single them out bear the full of
where a tenth of not productive that
people can come out all to be the case
the bad thing happened about people and
good thing happen to good people because
the universe doesn't care who is back in
who's put it in different off
fifteen just happen and bad things they
happen to bad people or to good people
what do we teach our children
about the world of and why
but we should be judged or from the
truth about the world which is
and time to go with the best
approximation to the truth we have and
prompted improving it going to change
will nuclear memo in the future what we
should not teach our children about the
world
mythologies
traditional beliefs that have no basis
in fact so-called revelation that had
even less basis in fact we should teach
children to affidavit of the many
believe
back which is supported by evidence
do you use
issue we got teacher children a santa
claus
well that's a rather trivial issue i
don't worry too much about that um...
life is based on the whole it might be
better not to
unprotected children should be grateful
to the people who really do get them
that present problem
company people being sure um...
uh... but i don't feel very strongly
about that and i don't want to go to the
sticker high actually feel strongly
about it because i remember when i was
five or six i don't remember how old i
was but i remember when i learned that
there wasn't and it was a crushing
experienced and political pandering what
problem we had a good day today and
understandably been you've got a lot
about ten o'clock definite still
go on
believing in god even her happen even
bigger duping yeah
server specific anthropomorphic bronze
age god within keeps a list and is
willing to have amnesia if u
that before the ritual
and i think you can contact i thought
the uh... and in many ways c_i_a_ uh...
although the
does uh... you know it's a as some
there've been some attempts to reinvent
him or her animal in positive ways i
suppose that but um...
edges so hidden in the minute we have
left what what inured it we're talking
with professor richard dawkins his new
book is the magic of reality how weak
know what's really true what in your
mind is the major carry-on message of
the book
but the truth is wonderful approved is
magical in the best and afterward and
but we find out the truth by the back at
the time
which up a method to looking at the
evidence
uh... evaluating critically
and and we do that methodically overtime
in it
grows and adapts i mean you have
sciences
in century is very different than
science that is that right time to learn
from it mistakenly approximating ever
protected the troops this is the uh...
the classic uh... we stand on
on the shoulders of journalism job here
yeah armageddon
is right was as good yes
and and uh... and then paraphrase later
bye
actually member people including
jefferson certeza
eric said the professor richard dawkins
richard dawkins dotnet is his website
his new book the magic of reality how we
know what's really true sir thank you
for dropping by thank you very much
spirited totally and
very uh... fasting for the wonderful
missus this is the kind of both that if
you want to initiatives to the
extraordinary magic of science
