And I know that i'm being given lots of
aggro now, but maybe
that is also an affirmation that i've
taken the right step
who's our audience are we saying
anything of interest do we have anything
to say
the university opened a door for me i
actually went through it
and it gave me opportunities i never
thought i'd have
so garden we've reached the milestone of
episode 24 i believe this one now is i
didn't know that
episode 24 so we and we've been we never
actually thought we'd get this far we
we we've been plodding away and just
sort of seeing where things go
we were i know that every every time
we've done this i've
when even when i've gone off and planned
something we don't necessarily do
the material that i think we're going to
do
and the more and more i realize that
it's the same as teaching in the
classroom
quite often the more you prepare the
less you actually use that stuff that
you prepared
that's because you have that petulant
child in the room that unpredictable
uh universal factor of a garvan sitting
in the class and upsetting the plans
upsetting the the project upsetting
this is the structure i'm going to apply
that's what you think you're going to do
that's what you plan
for but i'm sitting there in the room
going
and i'm not happy you know i i wanted to
be all about me i i
want to ask a question about something
totally irrelevant
that i've just come up with but no never
mind after a moment that
you we're going back to what you're
saying there we're at episode
24. if i had a tolerant i wouldn't
have realized actually i don't believe
it because what's happening in the
background is
we're actually on episode four today of
release and we're we're going back in
time to this
um insecurity of what we're putting out
versus where we think we are
let's just clarify just let's just
clarify where that is for
for those of us where we are today
it is the 26th of june but when people
will get a chance to listen to this
episode
it may actually be the beginning of
september
so that's that's just to clarify so
episode four
has just gone out on the 26th of june
uh and we've been madly trying to
discover
how to promote and market the whole
thing that's what's happening we've got
a split
personality of marketing versus
production
and even marketing production versus
production production of the show
so we're we're 24 in and going are we
we're
we're trying to get a rhythm of this
process of go of
are we happy with the quality literally
five minutes ago we were testing sound
and trying to get rid of a fuzzy noise
and
so we're we're getting a little bit
better of a rhythm of of production
but now we're not even going to say what
quality of content is we're going
quality of sound is one thing quality of
vision is one thing
but are we saying anything of work so
we're constantly questioning ourselves
do we have value will anyone listen does
anyone
love us does this type of thing and
we're but we're looking at the outside
world through this other vision
of week four now our week two and
episode four
in the same timeline of what the social
media audience is currently consuming
and i'm having my come to jesus moments
of questioning going wow we've eight
subscribers and four
views and god help us does anybody out
there
love us i'm giving up i'm going now i'll
just flip my personality go
no that's week two episode four of pr
of of social media production and nobody
loves us
and that what we're saying then is not
what we're saying now
and what we're trying to find now in
terms of advice is
who's our audience are we saying
anything of interest do we have anything
to say
who would resonate i think uh quite
often i
i know it's you're the one that's sort
of saying you know was that was
of any good was that not of any good but
i know
mainly because i suppose i've been
teaching and lecturing and doing all
that
i actually do a lot of assessment i
actually assess as i go along
i'm normally assessing what people are
actually saying
and the depth of knowledge that they're
actually talking about
and what i i mean one of the episodes
that we
we did very early on i kind of went oh
my goodness this is this is interesting
because there's toeism there's
there's all these different philosophies
coming from you
and you weren't necessarily aware of it
and when you when we finished she said i
can't remember what we've actually
talked about
and i did some research based on what
you'd said during that episode
and realized it matched up exactly as
though you were doing a textbook
it wasn't a textbook it was you just
talking about the things that you were
interested in
but you were passionate about what you
were talking about and that knowledge
base that you didn't realize you had
was flowing out and coming from you
that's the other language of we're going
somewhere back in the archives or the
subconscious we had
interests or opinions and it might have
been a mixture of doctor who
and star trek and something else that
formed my basis of understanding where i
was in the universe or where i think i
am
and an interesting episode there and a
little bit while back
was i was listening to ancient aliens on
the tv and
what looks like a ufo flies by my window
and it sets me off on another one of the
war of the worlds episodes of
here i am trying to worry about where i
am in the world
and it could be i said it could be the
end of the world is nigh
it could be jew and and they're having a
little swing by to see whether they're
going to save me or not
and i don't know why they would even be
thinking of thomastown but
what's strange is what we're we're
saying this this episode might be about
is it's episode 24
it's a it's a come to jesus moment it's
going
are we okay are we on the right track
are we happy with what we're doing do we
need to change direction
do we need to go deeper wider or or
something else
what feedback are we getting from the
few people out there that know we exist
and i've
have listened to a little bit of
something
but they may not even be our audience my
own daughter said
what's that shite you were talking about
this episode one
and she says there's something about a
bear i don't know what he's doing
my friends wouldn't like that i've had
enough of it i'm out of here and i go
all right i'm giving up my daughter
won't even listen to episode one and i
think
i think that's that's something that's
quite important because you're talking
about the come to jesus moment kind of
thing
one of the things is that when you when
you step out in faith
and go on a certain journey and you put
all your effort and energy into it
there are the other side of the universe
that comes along and tries to trip you
up
and they do it in such a way to try and
demoralize you so much
that you feel that you can't go on and
what you have to do is you have to
ignore that side you have to just say
they're just trying to trip me up
they're trying to sabotage me
i am i i took based on all the bits and
pieces that were coming to me just
before i made that choice
i felt confident that that was the best
road to go
and i've now taken the first step and i
know that i'm being given lots of aggro
now
but maybe that is also an affirmation
that i've taken the right step because i
am now
getting all that aggro in fact well if
you look at the youtube
um with the early videos they say if
you've got a cause if you've got a
passion you want
be prepared from the moment you actually
allow
your voice to go out to recognize that
you
have an onslaught of other people that
are trying to go against you
and just build up those defenses
yourself those inner defenses
against it put on the armor put on the
helmet we haven't even been
lucky enough because that means it'd
have to be there
looking commenting and giving out we
haven't even found them yet we're
looking forward to actually getting that
bunch
to start giving out and criticizing
because it means we gotta we have a
fucking audience
i mean we don't we we haven't even got
that audience yet i think you have to
remember to that audience yeah
i think you have to remember the uh
field of dreams
and the little girl at the end and it
was a little girl at the end
said to her dad build it and they will
come and everybody thought she was
talking
nonsense it's complete and absolute cod
swallow
but the moment the moment in that
particular story the little girl was
saved
the very person that was so adamant that
they were talking nonsense
suddenly can see and went oh my god i
couldn't see this before
and that's the thing you have to their
veil has to be lifted so that they can
see where it is we're going
we actually don't need to worry about
the audience the audience will actually
discover us and find us
yeah you're using a nice language there
because of lift the veil
and i i think i've used something like
that before and i'm also talking about
the fog and the fog
we have a fog in front of us and but
it's starting to you know clear a little
bit and what we're actually finding in
our in our
in our affirmations and our and our
where are we at 24 we're saying
well we're giant dots we've said we just
ten minutes ago we said we were on
two three podcast platforms and there's
four episodes released and
it doesn't matter how many downloads or
anything we're just going
we weren't there two weeks ago we did
not have a podcast show
we didn't know how to plug in spotify
we didn't know what the what the actual
admin around it was and so what it's
actually if we step back and go
we have we can officially say we exist
in podcast space
we have a podcast show admittedly
we have no customers that's absolutely
irrelevant for the minute
because we couldn't ever get them if we
didn't have a show we now have a show
we're in a position whereby we might be
able to get customers
so we're that's that's now there we have
24 episodes in the can we have three
we have itunes spotify to go
we have a mechanism i think we need to
yeah i think we need to stop thinking of
customers
i think we need to start thinking
listeners
and and viewers on the on the youtube
channel i think what we need to do
because a customer we're assuming
they're going to pay for something
that's my accident you know that they
all yes that doesn't know who we are
i mean exactly what you mean george
we've but we've been
we have been uh conditioned
to think in those terms because every
time you set up a business
everybody is told who's your client
who's your customer who's this who's
that
and and even patients are now seen as
clients in hospital
and in nursing homes and like stuff our
client says you kind of go
hang on a second can we let's move away
from that
kind of language and get back to this
idea of
the listener it becomes more personal
it's not just because the customer is
just seen as a number
whereas the listener is the other person
just on the other side of the screen
looking and listening who wants to
listen to our personal voice
we're trying to find the friend we
haven't met yet
that we want to invite the well if you
can get into the pub but i don't know if
their pubs are ever gonna
they're open but we don't in ireland
they're going
will the crack be there we'll it'll be
open but will it be the same but you
know let's just pretend that
you're going somewhere to have a drink
be it alcohol or be a coffee
with this friend you haven't met yet and
it's not that as a customer it's more
it's it's that first audience of will
they put up with you will they listen to
the site that's going to come out with
your mouth
or are they going to be a friend after
the end of the conversation because
it's just someone you haven't met yet
they're going to form an opinion they're
going to like or dislike they're going
to want
they're going to like what you're
talking about or they're not and so but
we
what we're saying is we found the pub
we've got a table there's two seats
or three seats i'll let yours come along
and we're going to sit down with an
unknown person in the room
and that person is going to be into
conversation or he might not be able to
say well he can he has a vice
or she has or lgbtq or anything else in
the middle
in the sense of they may not be in the
physical room to have the voice but they
can
they can put a sound by in they can put
a comment a like a share
there's a platform there for advice
they're not just just not in the
physical room
but that's okay we'd like them to be in
the room with us
and as if they were there and have that
potential of having their advice and
opinion
for in this conversation i think this is
quite crucial because
one of the things that we're starting to
learn through doing this because i know
garvin you'd mentioned
in one of the other episodes that you'd
read five books and you didn't realize
and you suddenly found that you were
processing that information
through the conversation we were having
and you were you were surprised to how
much you'd actually taken on board
and how now you weren't just accepting
it you were just
you were critically analyzing it and
weighing up one bit to another bit
and giving your your your thoughts on
what you
you felt was important and what wasn't
important and i think that's
that's a very important aspect of of the
process of growth that we're going
through
because that's actually encouraging us
to do more reading do more studying
and and look at what is out there that
we didn't realize
and because we're now not having
expectations of what we
think we should be doing we're now
opening our mind up to all kinds of
possibilities of what we could be doing
and we're listening and we're we're
taking on board other things that are
coming to us so that and that i think is
good and healthy because that'll help to
shape our
shape our voices but also we'll start to
come across
people that we didn't think we were
connected to
and we'll become more interested in
their avenues and they would to give us
they will open up a richness of the
world
that we hadn't even anticipated so we're
happy we're in the actually there's a
mad thing
we are in the field of dreams the film
you were talking about we have actually
adopted the little girl's policy and
process of build it and they will come
because if you don't build it there's
nowhere to go to
if your way to get the customer or the
audience you may never find it may never
happen
with that time will be gone so we are
literally have adopted
for our go-to um methodology in the
short term given the madness is out
there to go
we're gonna build it and they may come
they have a chance to come chance to
come possible
but we're building it regardless we're
going to build that monument to
ourselves that that platform with our
with our vice is now out there until the
data centers are
sort of destruct but we're on the
platform we're on youtube we're on
podcast space
where we're seeping into linkedin and
facebook we have not
bug what we're doing for half of it but
that's the weird thing we're going
at the moment we're not too sure what
we're doing
with that space and the effect it's
having but we know we're doing
something and we know we're trying doing
these trial and errors and a's and b's
and we're gonna go
that didn't seem to work we've got two
subscribers we need to do something else
or is it a case of enough what was
interesting there last week is
i saw something on linkedin and it says
an awful lot of people
start podcasts and they get to number
seven
and they just stop because they didn't
get that
external affirmation of of of the
immediate viral
something or someone who paid him or
bought it or the audience is there
they just ran out of steam because they
were not being paid to do a podcast
they were creating it in the absence of
a demand
and no we we feel it's out there but it
was
the fact that the audience isn't matched
at the beginning
to the podcast we everyone has to find
each other so
we that one win that was in that that
that
that statement to me was we've 22 and
they can now we have
number fours about to publish in real
life and they're saying number seven is
where the fall away is
so if all we do is publish the 20
24 we're now on i mean this is 24 which
we're really calling two series
of 12. we are already three times
further in
than most ones that fail and fall back
so that's a great affirmation to us if
all we do is listen to ourselves
we've done a bit we have this big
achievement to ourselves that we're on
the platform
we've reduced the work maybe no one
wants to listen
that's another day's story we'd love to
meet those people and to hear from them
as to why they wouldn't want to listen
so please subscribe i think uh
the the other thing that's quite
important is that we're starting to get
into a flow of work
we're beginning to understand what it is
we're trying to achieve
with these half hour-ish type programs
we're working out
how the processes fit into our our week
so that we don't overload ourselves
because we've got to make sure that we
remain healthy
and happy and that our families around
us remain healthy and happy
and that they they are they're
supporting us in what we're trying to do
and they are they're they're supporting
us in what we're doing
but that means that because we've got
we're starting to get those structures
in place
we're now starting to work out what is
the pace that we need to deliver
to keep that consistency going on what
do we need
to study to research what technology do
we need in place
and not only that everything out there
seems to be very very overwhelming and
we can we can actually be we can we can
feel overwhelmed we can feel
drowned by the things that we're meant
to do but we're now beginning to see a
quite an easy process a task at a time
that will allow us to accomplish all the
things we want to and once we become
proficient with that particular task and
we know how to do it and repeat it time
and time again
then we won't need to think about it and
we can then deal with the next task
and gradually build ourselves up and and
in five or six years time
god willing we will have a quite a big
audience
actually the great thing about if we
generally generalize all that back down
to we were talking just before this show
about you know who who
potentially is our audience and and
we're we're not we're not trying to say
a
person or a profile we're trying to say
our audience
in our own language was ourselves and
when we're saying ourselves we're saying
people like us that are potentially
stuck not necessarily stuck in ruts but
you're
with the pandemic an awful lot of people
are saying in the film production area
are suddenly finding themselves out of
work
without a job they're dependent on
bigger employers to employ their
skill sets and they're suddenly going
right i'm sitting here in a room i've
nothing to do because someone else
hasn't employed me but i could be doing
something but i don't know if i should
be
and everyone started and awful people
were just stuck
and then other people are everyone
actually my thing is everyone thinks
the grass is always green is on the
other side you look over the fence and
they're better than me and oh look with
them with all their likes and their dis
and they don't know what they're doing
it might have been they got an
accidental viral something and
it stuck and then they were kicked into
overdrive and then there's another for
every one that that happens if there's
999 thousand that it didn't
and they're all going why me and and why
is it my fault or did i or did i not do
something and they did the exact same
thing
so it's what's very weird is you see all
these videos go hey this is how you can
get your ten thousand likes and your
three thousand subscribers and follow
process one two three and look at me i
have all these followers and they're the
only one with it
and there's that what they're doing is
we're all going to that mentor
master guru and deploy exactly what he
says on a one two three basis and
nothing happens then we're getting dis
disenfranchised and and disempowered and
more disempowered
and and and less affirmation because we
did what we thought we were
required and it didn't work and now
we're back to worse than where we're
before
because there's no one seemingly we're
on our own no one's helping us and
and we don't know what to it's more what
we don't know what to do is we're very
confident to do what we know
and what we're the expert in but the
problem is we don't get to get that
delivered because you're not
it's the other stuff is what we're
lacking and not doing
now one of the videos that i edited in
1992
so we're talking about uh 1992 we're
talking about 28 years ago
i edited a film it's not feudal times by
any chance no it's not feudal times no
well actually to be it's called all i've
ever known
and it's about a lady called margaret
gallagher who had no electricity she
lived in a small cottage she had to walk
half a mile to get water
and it was it was a bbc co-production
and the producer decided about five
years ago to put it up onto youtube
along with a number of other projects
he'd actually it made
i think the audience at the time it was
first broadcast in 1992 was about
28 000 it was it was made in northern
ireland
on all of a sudden about two years ago
after it been there for about three
years
the numbers started to go up and and i
got a phone call from the producers
and they're saying george have you been
promoting this little film have you been
doing it
said no no i may have mentioned it to a
couple of people he says well
it's skyrocketing it's up to two hundred
thousand and we started to watch it over
the next few months and it went
to four hundred thousand then it hit a
million i think at the moment it's
somewhere close to four million views
and he's saying i didn't do anything
none of his other videos have actually
taken off like that
but that was a massive great big launch
and
there was no way of telling why or how
no
audience is going to take off the weird
thing is we do
we know what's going on in this side of
the planet what was happening
because we had a little chat about this
before is it's all about off grid
and what you have was the doom i think
it's probably the everything from
um nostradamus to the apocalypse now to
the
to to the off gridders this little old
lady in
back of beyond is at ireland england was
an off gridder
and then she and she was then like the
guru for these people the how to live
off the land with barely electricity and
light and god knows what
and and so she was now the leader in it
because she's been doing it for 20 years
this bunch are just thinking about
doing the next choosing and stocking up
entire roles
so it probably now it could be it could
have been a bit of that that it became
suddenly popular on the basis of that
popular culture and and and that's in
it's interesting to see so
strange enough we can say we can produce
all this work and
25 years from now suddenly we're popular
because of something we don't know yet
or someone axon influencer accidentally
found us
and said this is the thing to do and
there's been there's been musicians who
were told all the way through their
maybe 30-year long career that
basically that they weren't popular they
couldn't they weren't commercial and
again
so long down the track all of a sudden
their work becomes commercial
it starts to make millions you know and
they just carried on doing exactly what
they've always done
and it suddenly paid off and i think if
if you're enthusiast
if you're enthusiastic about what you're
doing and you have a passion for it
then don't listen to anybody else just
do it because
at some point it's going to take your
remote just we're coming straight into
my mind from the universe there
saying because i was just about if you
hadn't just said what you said i would
have said it
i would have said you have to be
passionate about your art if your
passion is the castles if you're
passionate about your art you might
tweak it a little bit commercialism wise
but you're still producing you're saying
i'm not going to lose this minute in my
life it's going to be on my art
i'm able to they were able to like
package it for future consumption based
on it being a painting or a drawing or
whatever
in the absence of us capturing these
conversations these hours are gone
forever
yet this half an hour is captured for
posterity
you know could be shut off into space
for alien consumption or later date we
just don't know
but had you not captured it it is gone
it will never materialize in any order
ever again
so we're excited if i friday afternoon
and the end of june and 2020
we can have a reflection about this
last half year on the journey that we're
we're on as a couple of middle-aged men
going we're passionate about
our art or well i'm adopting this art
now and george has always been
passionate about it
and we're realizing we don't need
affirmation from others we don't need
permission from others
the tech is there we can be the content
until there's better content we're not
going to lose
the moment we're going to package it and
in time
we will introduce this third or fourth
party uh
dynamic of conversation that's coming
down the line
it's already bumbling in because people
want to get involved
in time that'll be there and that's the
weird thing about this even
show is work we're broadcasting on four
we're talking now at 24 which is three
months down the line
and by the time we get there we'll
already be doing what we're talking
about
and regardless we're going to produce
and put it out there
and we won't worry whether the audience
is ready are there
or yet to consume and this is the
affirmation we're saying to ourselves
and to others
it's be passionate about your art you're
not you're not dead man walking if you
want to treat yourself by them i'm
walking
you will be that if you want to just
live this moment
you can bring it to the next and maybe
double up and triple up
by keep on doing what it is you'll like
and love
and the gatekeepers of scriptwriting who
uh they've appeared on a channel called
film
courage they've actually said look you
know they're getting fed up with people
that come up with formula ideas and
constantly use the formula to try and
generate their ideas
what they're saying is they're looking
for something new they want
those people that have a passion of
telling stories in their own unique way
to actually have a gamble and tell their
stories the way they would like to
because it is getting quite
sophisticated in the way the audience
are starting to read films watch films
read books and the whole lot
that if you don't come up with your own
ideas
and actually believe in yourself then
it's just going to be a bland
uh you know content is going to be just
as bland as anything
again you're back this con we're talking
content for you know so
content to life we're not we're not
we're just saying it just happens that
we're going to try to put content into
media
to put it out there because that's the
industry what we want we want to have
these little story
this is a story of us at the moment it's
not a story of life it's the story of
us trying to find meaning in a journey
and purpose and we're
in there's journey so far we've found
the
the values that we're finding are more
the other bits that we were sort of
maybe not
ignoring but not as much aware of which
is the the mindfulness the family that
i have young children i've got like
family and friends and a pandemic is the
best thing
ever happened to me in the short term
under certain reasons because
it stopped me looking at business and
made me turn around and
look at family and friends on purpose
and meaning because if you drop
everyone around us is dying in the sense
of they have cancers or discs they
content the flu's adapter of a certain
age profile
it just there's we don't we even talked
one of our shows was about
you know the end of the world is coming
and if we were to worry about
all these potential fatalities and
things
we'd just be stuck in a room afraid to
take the cover off of our heads
and pick any one of them and we'd be
afraid so we're saying
we're not going to be afraid anymore
we're going to listen to the universe
and just do we're going to enjoy them
now
but and we're saying we are we're we're
not going to say to people that
it's it's okay to be afraid is what
we're saying because ever it's everyone
is
everyone might just be hiding it better
than everyone else because if they're
not afraid of
the apocalypse there's something wrong
with them because if you're not afraid
of getting knocked down by a bus or
getting cancer there's something wrong
with them
but it's not that they're not afraid of
that it's not in their focus now because
it's not affecting them
so therefore as long as it doesn't
affect them they don't need to
worry about it and then get on with
living and so we're going to go as long
as it's not affecting us
we're going to get on with living under
the business and under the family and
friend heading
and just
but i'm going to carry on anyway are you
there george one of the things that
i've been reading is jung who was
basically talking about how
if you find your passion
and discover what it is about yourself
that you need to do you you create some
kind of purpose for yourself
quite often we get led off into unknown
avenues
that that don't allow us to be who we
should be
and that's what we are trying to do
we're trying to be the person
that we should be on this journey
and discovering what it is that we can
do
that will help others and i think that
becomes a very very important
part of the process that we're going
through in creating these types of shows
it is it's a very weird life and i don't
know what i'm doing
under nine out of ten of the heads i
know i need help
with an awful lot of other people it's
good to have george
and he can help in the production side
but outside the production side
what was do i stop if
one thing stops ah there we go it might
be back in
so i don't know what he's gonna do with
this i kept on going i kept on talking
so you're gonna have to cut out some of
this yeah no actually i i carried doing
exactly the same as you did i've
actually added alexa a piece as well so
i'll allow your section to finish and
then i'll continue continue
talking um so what we what we were what
we were
gradually discussing was how important
it is that each
person finds what it is their purpose of
life is all about
and quite often we get sidetracked into
areas that
aren't really what we want to be doing
but then we have to go back to this
other concept
that if we have expectations of our life
that we think we should be doing
we can actually stop down and close off
avenues that could have been really rich
for us to actually go down
so if we can actually calm ourselves and
maybe use the mindfulness approaches
to basically stop the chiller chat box
inside our heads
and allow the universe to start to talk
to us
we can maybe let be led on a journey
that may be
far more fascinating than the one we
thought we were going out that's very
interesting because
what's popped into my head there is why
why am i doing this
what what george could figure out why
he's doing this in a minute
but i go what was happening to me
is i realized there's something missing
i don't know what it is it's not it's
not this thing i'm not happy geez i'm
i'm very in terms of what i have and
where i am my life and family and
i'm not divorced my kids are healthy you
know i have a house i've got like i'm
not starving you know
i have a lot to be happy for and content
with and all that
i i have all that and i'm not looking
for millions of money and
no it's there's something missing
there's
some bit of me that's not fulfilled
and i just that's what this journey was
about and it's this
even this conversation to me myself and
i in the middle of a little
you know a camera in front of me is
actually
meeting that need and i don't even know
what that
is so and i don't need affirmation from
someone else and nice i mean i said a
couple people liked it i got on with or
understood that
if you feel there's just a hole in
something missing then you've got to
walk out that door and you've got to
start
experimenting and exploring and it might
just be fishing i don't know but
there's if there's something else it
might be the last piece of the jigsaw
and that's what it might be the biggest
piece of jigsaw and the most important
bit to finish off
this is you this is me this is hear me
roar and that's what this is on my
in my part definitely i think george is
something but he might have something to
say about it yeah no i
i i believe the same thing because i
know that i
i went off on a number of different
journeys i i wanted to be a filmmaker i
i got into editing
that area sort of slowed down and i
wanted to carry on making
video productions and i found myself
getting into teaching
but then i found that the students
taught me more than i realized
and i began to discover things about
filmmaking that had them so there was
the
university opened a door for me i
actually went through it
and it gave me opportunities i never
thought i'd have
to be honest if i hadn't taken those
gone through those doors i would
possibly
not have got to where i am now where
we're having this conversation with
garvin
and i think that becomes really
important because if you
are if you face the fears and you take
courage
and go and find out what is beyond that
veil that you can't see
take that first step sometimes the
universe is actually saying to you
well there's a lot of possibilities but
you need to make the first step
and then we'll see where you go from
there and that's the exciting part
and that's the thing you don't need to
worry about and if you can do that
you'll have a contented life
yeah and you too can have a conversation
with carmen
absolutely and i think well actually
that's the important thing because
we are here we are interested in what
other people
have to say and we want to have those
conversations with you
so that and you can just have them with
yourself look in the mirror
i do every day the week the only person
that puts up with me
is who's looking back in the mirror and
even he won't put up a half of it
so i think we're coming to a nice end
there and
hope you come to serious three and
episode 25
look forward to chatting with you thanks
a lot
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