Well, one thing that's definitely
evident to me in our day,
at least in our city -
you guys have all seen
the "I'm a Mormon" billboards around,
we're in San Antonio here.
And it's really obvious that those
who style themselves
"The Church of Jesus Christ 
of Latter-day Saints"
or commonly the members 
are called Mormons,
it's really evident -
what kind of people do you 
have on the billboards?
You don't have ugly people.
You don't have frowning people.
You've got guys surfing,
guys riding motorcycles,
pretty people, handsome people.
What's that all about?
Obviously, it is seeking to make Mormonism
look desirable,
to make it look normal,
to make it look exciting,
to make it look acceptable.
Unquestionably, they are
on an aggressive advertising campaign
to make Mormonism look like something
that you want.
And if there's anything 
that stands out to me
as far as the Mormon approach,
it's that they're aggressively trying
to sell themselves in our day
as being Christian.
(incomplete thought)
A week or ten days ago,
actually when we were 
supposed to film the first time
and we postponed,
but of all things, that night,
I had a couple Mormons come to the door.
And the fact is that I 
can tell this firsthand,
I can see it by the things
that they are putting out on the Internet.
If there's one thing that's 
true of Mormonism today,
it's that they want to appear Christian.
They are using Christian terminology.
I mean, the truth is,
these guys don't show up at your door
and start talking about planet Kolob
or the star Kolob.
They don't start talking about polygamy.
They don't tell you Brigham Young
basically said that blacks 
had a curse on them.
They don't show up at your door
and start talking about spirit children
and the fact that there's many gods.
The moment you open the door,
they don't say Jesus and 
the devil are brothers.
I mean, they hide all that.
They believe all that,
but that's not what they hit you with.
They hit you with verbiage
that sounds very Christian.
And I've seen it.
One of their so-called "apostles"
is on the Internet,
and he is really making a case
for the fact that Mormonism is Christian.
And so you can see that.
That is their agenda.
They're selling themselves as Christian.
And so, really, all I wanted to do
is I wanted to answer that question:
Is Mormonism Christian?
(Incomplete thought)
It's not going to be 
the object or the scope
of what I want to try to accomplish here
to prove the doctrines of Christianity,
or not even necessarily to prove
or to debate which one's right
or which one's wrong.
What I simply want to prove
is what Christianity claims, believes,
the foundational doctrines
for the last 2,000 years
are absolutely rejected by Mormonism.
That's what I want to show.
I just want to show
that whatever Mormonism is by definiton,
and whatever Christianity 
is by definition,
they're not on the same page.
Argue which one is right and wrong,
like I say, it's not the scope.
Mormonism teaches -
we're going to get into depravity of man
and the way of salvation now.
Again, historically, what 
has Christianity taught?
I guarantee, it's not what 
Mormonism teaches.
You know what Mormonism teaches?
That Elohim had these two sons:
Lucifer and Jehovah - Jesus,
and that both of them set forth plans
for the redemption of man.
And God the Father rejected 
the plan of Lucifer
and went with the plan of Jehovah (Jesus).
Guess what the plan supposedly
of Lucifer was?
It was basically a plan
to override the free will of man
and cause him to do something
that he did not have a 
natural disposition to do.
And supposedly God rejected that
and said no, we're going to go
with the free will plan of Jehovah.
Listen to this,
Mormonism teaches that Jesus
and the devil offered these two plans,
but the devil offered a plan
that would only be by grace.
One in which the free agency of man
would be imposed upon,
and the Father would draw men
to come to Christ for salvation.
You see what he's saying?
They're saying that the devil's plan
was one of grace
where God would overstep man's free will,
violate his free will if you will,
and save men aside from
what they had a natural bent to do
which is amazing.
"Mormons believe that one of the most
fallacious doctrines originated by Satan
and propounded by man
is that man is saved alone 
by the grace of God;
that belief in Jesus Christ alone
is all that is needed for salvation."
And that is a direct quote from
"The Miracle of Forgiveness"
by Spencer Kimball, page 206.
But what has the church believed?
We believe that man willfully 
sinned against God.
We believe that in that fallen state
no one seeks for God.
There is none righteous.
There is none that seeks after Him.
And Jesus specifically said
unless My Father who has sent Me
draws a person to Me,
they will not come.
"No one can come to Me
unless My Father who sent Me draws him."
You think that's 
overstepping man's free will?
You better believe it.
Man in his natural 
disposition rejects God.
He runs from God.
He doesn't want anything to do with God.
He now so thoroughly bears the guilt
and the nature of Adam,
that he is conceived in sin,
he comes forth from his 
mother's womb in sin,
he does nothing but sin,
he's at enmity against the law of God.
By nature, we are told from Scripture
that man is dead in sin.
He's under the power of sin.
Men by nature are children of wrath.
By nature, they have hearts
that are deceitful, desperately wicked.
By nature, the truth 
of God is folly to man.
And in this state, God declares
that men are absolutely incapable
of any good whatsoever,
whether in thought, in deed,
in our best attempts,
our righteousness's are filthy rags.
And basically, the way of salvation
that we love, that we hold to,
is one that the Mormon church -
the very Gospel -
the Mormon church says is of the devil.
Mormons believe Jesus' sacrifice
was not meant to cleanse us
from all our sins.
It was only made in order 
to make it possible.
And you know what?
The Mormons actually put more
or as much emphasis on Jesus'
sweating of blood in the garden
and they take the attention off the cross.
Have you heard that?
They won't deny that.
They really make a big deal about that.
But they say straight up,
Mormons believe that Jesus' sacrifice
was not able to cleanse 
from all their sins.
That comes from "Journal of Discourses,"
Volume 3, 1856, page 247.
They specifically say good works
are necessary for salvation
in their "Articles of Faith"
by James Talmadge, page 92.
They say there is no salvation
without accepting Joseph Smith
as a prophet of God.
That's found in "Doctrines of Salvation,"
Volume 1, page 188.
They say the first effect of the atonement
is to secure all mankind alike,
exemption from the penalty of the fall,
thus providing a plan 
of general salvation.
The second effect is to open a way
for individual salvation whereby mankind
may secure remission of personal sins.
That's in the "Articles of Faith,"
James Talmadge, page 78-79.
What you have to understand there
is the death of Christ secures nothing.
It makes it possible.
They say this grace is an enabling power
that allows men and women
to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation
after they expended 
their own best efforts.
That is "Latter-day Saints 
Bible Dictionary," page 697.
"We know that it is by 
grace that we are saved,
after all we can do."
That's not grace.
That comes from "The Book of Mormon,"
2 Nephi 25:23.
Several Latter-day Saint leaders
have exposed their disdain
for the biblical teaching
of salvation by grace through faith alone.
Joseph Smith, on page 192
of "The Restoration of 
All Things," stated,
"one of the most pernicious doctrines
ever advocated by man
is the doctrine of 
justification by faith alone
which has entered 
into the hearts of millions
since the days of the 
so-called Reformation."
And Joseph Smith calls it
"the so-called Reformation."
In fact, do you know what Joseph Smith did
in all of his revisions of the Bible?
He went into Romans 4:5,
and I'm quoting the King James
because that's the one 
they claim that they use.
Listen to what it says in the King James.
Romans 4:5, "But to him that worketh not,
but believeth on Him that 
justifieth the ungodly,
his faith is counted for righteousness."
One of the most glorious doctrines.
In my estimation, it is the 
most glorious verse
on the doctrine of justification found.
There's many others, but 
I think it's the most glorious,
simply because it says
that God justifies the ungodly.
He says, "to him that works not,
but believes on Him 
that justifies the ungodly..."
God is called
"Him who justifies the ungodly."
He declares righteous
ungodly men and women,
not by any works that they do themselves.
For some unknown reason,
Smith added the word 
"not" into the passage.
He shows his absolute disdain
for the doctrine of 
justification by faith.
Our souls hang on that doctrine.
That is at the heart of the Gospel.
You reject justification by faith,
you have no Gospel.
Joseph Smith added the word "not."
Listen to how the Joseph Smith translation
of Romans 4:5 reads.
"But to him that seeketh 
not to be justified
by the law of works,
but believeth on him who 
justifieth not the ungodly,
his faith is counted for righteousness."
He didn't even take the doctrine away,
because it still says his faith is counted
as righteousness.
But he put the word "not" in there.
He calls God, "him who 
justifieth not the ungodly,"
and yet, he didn't alter 
the second part of the verse
that comes right around and says
his faith is counted for righteousness.
I mean, he shows his absolute absurdity.
He shows how he hated the doctrine;
he sought to corrupt Scripture,
and at the same time,
he shows his... I don't know what.
I mean, obviously, God foiled him
in his attempt, because even in his change
he didn't take it away.
He still left it.
His faith is counted for righteousness.
He shows his ignorance.
He really didn't elimiate the doctrine.
But he shows a fearlessness
in changing the Word of God.
I would not want to be in his shoes.
I mean, we find that salvation
is through Christ alone.
Salvation is looking to the finished work
that Christ did -
the Christ who was not created.
The Christ who in the beginning 
was the Word of God;
the One who is the image 
bearer of His Father;
the One who is eternally God.
God in three persons
revealing Himself in a Trinity to us.
The Son who being with God forever,
being sent from the Father
to take upon Himself
the likeness of sinful flesh,
and in all respects being made like
the offspring of Abraham,
He came to earn salvation
for those who by faith
will look to Him and be justified
based on the merits,
by the obedience of Him,
the many are made righteous.
That is the foundation for us.
God says that our righteousness's
are as filthy rags.
It's not according to our works
and we're thankful that it's not.
But our salvation comes this way,
through the Gospel that is 
revealed in the Scriptures,
and then as men read that,
as they see it, they hear it,
they behold the Christ of the Gospel,
and they're born again,
their ears are opened,
God has mercy on them,
they run to Christ in faith.
They flee to Him.
Those early guys, those early Mormons,
they would say that murder 
is an unpardonable sin.
I have a salvation that beats that one.
And they think that you have to do
everything that you possibly can -
again, I have a salvation 
that's better than that one.
And you know, the problem
with any works system
is what hope would you have given
to the thief on the cross?
The problem with any 
kind of works salvation
is he can't really make 
it to the confessional.
He can't really sit down with the priest.
He can't try to do good works
to undo his bad ones.
He's really kind of nailed up there.
Catholicism and Mormonism alike
believe that baptism washes away sin.
You know, he's kind of 
being prevented from that
right at the moment.
You know, false religions 
have nothing to say
to the thief on the cross.
Nothing to say.
Christianity does.
We can say,
"We've got really good news for you.
We have a way of salvation
that's entirely based on 
the merits of another,
not on your own."
And in a moment of time,
if your faith be like the 
size of a mustard seed,
and you look outside yourself
and trust what this One has done,
which that thief on the cross did -
"Lord, remember me."
He called upon Another.
That is a very hopeful message.
The truth is false religions
can't go on death row 
(incomplete thought).
You hear about Whitefield and Wesley,
they would spend the night.
I hear about some of these old pastors
who would go into prisons
and they would spend the night
with prisoners who were 
going to the gallows
the next day,
and they would preach the Gospel to them
all night long.
If they had a works salvation,
they wouldn't be going.
It's hopeless.
These people have sealed their doom.
And a lot of those guys were murderers.
Mormonism doesn't have 
anything to offer them.
Mormonism says -
some of their leaders have said -
that it's an unpardonable sin.
One of the problems that 
the Mormon church has
is that the men who have gone before
said a lot of radical things
that they are not really 
comfortable with today.
They're not politically correct.
There was a day when Mormonism
was very quick to say,
"we're the only true church.
If you don't believe like 
we do, you're damned."
Now, they're taking more the position
they're trying to pawn themselves off
as real Christianity.
And so what they're doing
is they're conveniently 
trying to gloss over
some of these things that 
were real hard to accept.
Brigham Young basically said
African Americans bore the mark of Cain,
the mark of Ham, the mark of Canaan,
that they were under a curse.
You can find where he said these things.
Those things I'm pretty certain,
there's lots of stuff on the 
racism of Mormonism out there.
But you will see that they claim
that they had a revelation in 1978
whereby there was supposedly a change
in their take on blacks.
You know, they have their teaching
of this Melchizedek high priesthood,
and they basically said and taught
that blacks could not 
a part of this priesthood.
And it's very interesting if you look
at the billboard.
They have African Americans now.
So again, they're trying to 
come across politically correct.
They're trying to appeal to everybody.
They're not wanting to come across
in any way to open themselves up
for ridicule on those points.
So, yeah, they're changing.
And that's so often the truth.
One thing that's true about Christianity,
it stays the same.
One thing that's typically true
about that which is false religion,
is it's a chameleon.
It will change colors to blend in
with its background.
You know, you have Catholicism
that is constantly seeking to appear
in different colors
and Mormonism the same.
The burning in the bosom.
Two weeks ago probably
when the Mormons showed up here,
both of them said
absolutely dogmatically,
"We have experienced the 
burning in the bosom.
We are absolutely certain
that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God.
We are absolutely certain
that the Church of Jesus 
Christ of Latter-day Saints
is a true church.
We are certain."
And what I told them is I don't doubt
that you had a supernatural experience,
but Satan comes an angel of light.
I mean, bottom line is what is the test,
what is the measuring stick,
what's the ruler,
what is the lens through which we must
examine all of our experiences?
Well, as soon as you want to say:
not this book because it's full of errors,
which is what the same 
guys were telling me.
You see what they're telling me?
I've had an experience 
and I'm trusting it,
but this book, it's full of errors
and I can't trust it.
Well, all of a sudden,
where is our basis for truth?
Where is the starting point?
I mean, the thing is,
I don't want a starting point with myself.
Because I know I'm weak,
I know that I come from sinful stock,
I know that I come from stock
that was totally deceived
with a heart that was deceitful
and desperately wicked,
I loved to believe lies,
I was a child of the devil
who is the father of lies,
I was a liar and was 
going to find my place
in the lake of fire if God had 
not come to rescue me.
Outside of this truth,
where am I going to look for truth?
Not in myself.
And are we going to look 
for it in the news?
In the press? In this world
that's controlled by Satan?
Where are we going to go?
Well, they're going to say,
well, we've got these 
other books over here
that we need to go to.
But again, my argument 
would come back to this:
This book says that if they don't speak
according to what's written here,
it's because there's no light in them.
This book tells me that God promised
He's going to preserve His Word,
and you know what?
I'm banking my soul on that.
And one of the reason that I believe
that this is the Word
is because in reading it
and exposing myself to it, 
I was born again.
Just like it says: born again.
Living, abiding Word of God.
Incorruptible. I was 
born again through it.
Such life transformation.
It wasn't a burning in the bosom.
It was a life-transformation
from ungodliness to one where holiness
and hunger and thirst for righteousness,
and where practicing righteousness
became my desire.
It's this book -
basically what this book says
can be confirmed on all sides.
You know the way that 
this book describes man,
we can look around
and as sinful as it says man is,
we look around and we see
he's exactly like that.
The very thing that man needs -
a righteousness that was earned
by One who came into this world to earn it
that we couldn't earn ourselves -
that's exactly what we need.
Listen, I've just been 
reading out of Luke.
I go to Luke's Gospel,
and I start reading,
and you know what I find?
I find that it states things like this -
it talks about Galilee.
It talks about Nazareth.
Here I am in Luke.
"In those days, Mary arose.
She went to the hill country."
There's a town in Judah.
There's literal people.
Zechariah, Elizabeth...
you go through all these things.
You find "in those days..."
There was Caesar Augustus.
"The world should be registered.
This was the first registration
when Quirinius was governor of Syria."
And Joseph also went up from Galilee,
the town of Nazareth, city of David,
Bethlehem.
You go through all these things
and you find "15th year 
of the reign of Tiberius Caesar,
Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea."
Herod being tetrarch of Galilee.
His brother Phillip, tetrarch...
You know what the 
thing is about this book?
It talks about real places and real people
that archeology and history validate.
The more we find out,
the more is discovered...
they find Sennacherib's six-sided deal
that shows all about his conquerings
and his quests, and guess what?
There's really a King Hezekiah.
And it specifically says 
that he trapped him
in his city,
and he basically walled him up like a rat
or something like that,
but he never entered it
and that's exactly what God said.
That's exactly what His own 
testimony bears witness to.
Caesar, Tiberius - he's real.
We know about him historically.
Pontius Pilate - he's real.
We know about him.
Quirinius - we know about him.
There is a place called Syria.
There is a place called Bethlehem.
All these places are real.
The Book of Mormon is entirely fictitious
and they can't prove any of the places,
any of the people,
at any of the times.
None of it stands up to archeology.
None of up it stands up to anything.
History doesn't bear it out.
Archeology doesn't bear it out.
There's no proof for anything in it.
Yet, everything written 
in this book bears up.
"Add to these words,
and you shall have added 
to you the plagues."
Now, Mormons are going to come along
and say yeah, but all that's saying is,
similar words are said in Deuteronomy,
similar words are said in Proverbs.
They would say, well, we're not 
supposed to add to Proverbs.
We're not supposed to add to Deuteronomy.
We're not supposed to add to Revelation.
By the way, Joseph Smith changed them all.
How does that figure?
He added to them and deleted from them.
The very books - even if the 
Mormons want to say that,
if they want to say that those words
apply to those books only,
Joseph Smith came right 
along and changed them.
Those very books.
So their argument doesn't stand up.
They show who they really are.
The devil came along in the beginning,
and he challenged the Word of God.
Jesus said, "Sanctify them
with Your truth,
Your Word is truth."
You know what that tells me?
That if God doesn't keep His people
through all generations with the Word,
that Jesus' prayer can't be true.
He didn't say sanctify them
with the Book of Mormon.
It doesn't say that the Book 
of Mormon is God-breathed.
It says all Scripture is.
It says that Scripture - God-breathed -
is sufficient to fully 
equip the man of God.
Doctrine and reproof and correction
and instruction in righteousness.
No mention made of 
"The Pearl of Great Price."
No mention made but of Scripture
which is God-breathed.
This is it.
Lose this book,
and your foundations are gone.
Why does every false religion start
by attacking here?
Because that's what their father did
in the beginning.
The devil gives himself away all the time.
He levels the guns at this book.
Catholicism? Our tradition 
trumps this book.
Mormonism? Our Book of Mormon...
just the fact three of 
their books are infallible
of the four that they 
use, that they claim,
are their religious books.
Three are infallible. This one isn't.
But what does that tell you?
Either God's incompetent
or somebody's behind that religion
that doesn't like this book.
I would not opt for the first.
I would opt for the second.
When they came here two weeks ago,
that was one thing that I really
wanted to establish right up front
is your christ and my 
Christ are not the same.
You can use the same terminology,
but the Bible talks about other christs.
And it talks about other gospels,
not that there truly is another christ
or another gospel,
but it speaks about it that way
and I just wanted to make certain,
our Christ isn't the same.
Because what they want to do
is they want to come and say,
"Well, we believe in Jesus Christ."
Well, wait a second.
The Christ of the Scriptures -
the One who is represented by that name,
has all sorts of attributes 
associated with Him,
and they deny those.
And they have a whole other thought
about who He is.
You know, if we go beyond salvation,
we just think about 
the eternal state of man.
We look at heaven as a paradise.
We look at heaven as a place
where we are married to Christ.
Again, Mormons totally reject that.
They see heaven
or they see the afterlife
for those who were good in this life
as being perpetually married
and having all these wives
by which they'll populate their own worlds
now that they have become like Elohim;
they've become like God Himself,
and they've got all these wives
and they're having all 
these spirit children
and they basically become like Him.
But didn't Jesus say to the Sadducees,
you've got it all wrong.
You don't understand the Scriptures.
We become like the angels.
There is no marriage among us.
We go to the marriage supper of the Lamb.
We wait for a Bridegroom, that's true.
But we become married to Him.
The church is the bride.
The marriage in glory is to Christ.
It's not that we become like Christ
in the sense that we become
exactly as He is - a God like He is God,
and we have our own spirit wives
and have this constant celestial sex
through all the ages.
That's what they teach.
In fact, they taught that 
Jesus Himself had wives.
Mary Magdalene was one of them.
He had three or four wives.
That is not what we find in Scripture.
The eternal state is marriage to Christ.
You know, one of the things
you want to look for any time
you're wondering if something is Christian
you want to look at 
their doctrine of hell.
They deny eternal hell.
Now, they'll talk about a hell,
but it's temporary at best.
They'll talk about eternal fire,
but it's like that - it's not really fire.
It's just like that.
And they say whatever hell is,
it's not forever.
That basically, it's extinguished.
It comes to an end.
Mormons teach this.
They say, "therefore,
if you have a man and he repents not
and he remains and dies an enemy to God,
the demands of divine justice
do awaken his immortal soul
to a lively sense of his own guilt,
which doth cause him to shrink
from the presence of the Lord,
and doth fill his breast with guilt,
and pain, and anguish,
which is like an unquenchable fire."
You see how they say that?
That's what it says in Mosiah 2:38.
Listen to this.
Joseph Smith himself taught,
"these are they who are liars,
sorcerers, adulterers, whoremongers,
and whosoever loves and makes a lie.
These are they who are cast down to hell
and suffer the wrath of Almighty God
until the fullness of times."
There's an end.
"...When Christ shall have subdued
all enemies under His feet
and shall have perfected His work."
In other words, hell is for now,
but when all of Christ's 
enemies are subdued,
then it's over.
It's not perpetual.
It's not ongoing.
It's not forever and ever.
It's not this eternal punishment.
It's not the smoke of their torment
going up day and night forever and ever.
It's not a: these will depart
into everlasting punishment.
They deny that.
They deny the eternality of hell.
Look what we're faced with.
We're faced with a religion
that claims to be Christian.
We're faced with a religion
that when they come to your door,
they talk Christian terminology.
They talk about atonement.
They talk about Jesus Christ.
They talk about God.
They talk about Christ being the Son.
They talk salvation words.
And they put a Christian 
face on these things,
but their meanings behind them
are not the same as ours.
Every cardinal doctrine,
every fundamental doctrine.
They absolutely deny the 
Christian doctrine
of the sufficiency of Scripture,
the inerrancy of Scripture,
they absolutely deny what we believe
to be true about the Person of God,
His character, His eternal 
character as God,
His unchanging character as God,
the fact that He is spirit.
They absolutely deny the person
and the work of Jesus Christ.
They claim that He's created.
They claim that He's brother to the devil.
They claim that He's the firstborn
among all of us, maybe just like us,
and we just like Him - no difference
in His very essence of being.
He's just like us.
They basically deny
that the cross is really the point
of the shedding of blood -
without the shedding of blood,
there's no remission.
It doesn't say "without 
the sweating of blood."
Without the shedding of blood.
They put emphasis on 
what He did in the garden.
They say that His atonement really
only made it possible.
It didn't accomplish anything.
And in the end, all they're saying
is that it made it possible to accomplish
is to rid us of the guilt of Adam's sin.
As far as our own sin,
we have to do everything 
within our own power
and then maybe His atonement
finishes it off at the end.
But we have to do everything 
within our own power
to be good and to fulfill
all the laws and all the obligations
of the church of Latter-day Saints.
That's basically how you get to heaven.
That's basically how you 
get the approval of God.
It is through our works.
You see how they absolutely detest
the doctrine of justification by faith
upon which is the very heart and soul
of our Gospel.
We have no Gospel
unless we have the 
doctrine of justification.
They absolutely deny it.
They hate it.
Joseph Smith himself 
changed the Scriptures
to seek to undo it.
Their ideas about heaven
are totally unlike the Christian ones.
And their ideas of hell are [too].
So they deny the person of the Father.
They deny the person of Christ.
They deny the way of salvation.
They deny eternal punishment.
They deny our ideas 
about eternal paradise.
These are all the core doctrines.
They deny what we believe is essential
about the Scriptures.
I mean, the thing is,
are we going to call that Christian?
They are in absolute denial
of every major doctrinal statement,
orthodox Christian doctrine statement
that has been created.
You begin to look up
just in the circles we run in.
You think about the 1689 
London Baptist Confession,
the 1644, the Philadelphia,
the New Hampshire,
even the different articles that have been
put out by the Southern 
Baptists over the years.
I mean, you look at the 
Baptist confessions.
You look at the Westminster Confession.
You look at the Heidelberg.
You look at these statements of faith.
Everything that we hold dear,
essential in these about 
the person of God,
the way of salvation,
about the truths about Scripture,
the Mormon church denies.
Are they going to come along
and sell us on the fact
that they are Christian?
They are absolutely not Christian.
Not by any sound defintion
of what Christianity is.
Not by any biblical definition
of what Christianity is.
And not by any historic definition
of what our forefathers have declared
to be essential to the core beliefs
of Christianity that have gone before us.
So absolutely not.
They are not Christian.
