Were you involved with a tip?
Yes, I was in what?
In what respect were you involved
with a tip as a consultant?
The IRS program was where
I was actually a subcontractor as
an employee here.
We were a subcontractor to big low
aerospace advance based studies, be
a SS on
the ISAF, which was the other
side of a tip.
A tip was handled out of the office
of the undersecretary of Defense for
Intelligence, and ASKAP
was at the Defense Intelligence
Agency.
And that's the actual funded program
that received enough congressional
appropriation to hire outside
contractors like Bass
and Urtext to work on the programs.
OK, so you you
you all you ultimately worked
for were part of
the Pentagon's UFO program.
Yeah.
What kind of what kind of stuff did
you do for the Pentagon UFO program?
Oh, basically
what I just discussed was
we we had.
Well, first of all, we gave
technical advice to the field
investigation. We'd get information
and data on reports and
we would do physics analysis and
report back on what we what our
opinion or assessments on the field.
Investigations and data was
on variety of observations and
encounters of UFO phenomena.
But one big main part
of our work was to hire
38 independent
expert scientists
in industry, academia and government
to write defense
intelligence reference documents on
future transformation concepts
for concepts that we can envision
in the year 2050.
And take what we have in our
existing really advanced physics
and really advanced aerospace
technology and evolve it
to the future 2050 and see what
it looks like and see if we can
compare.
See if we have any hopes of
of developing an advanced technology
in 2050 that's comparable
to the Tic-Tac
UFOs that the USS Nimitz and
Roosevelt encountered.
And the other type of UFO is at the
other naval warships have
encountered out in the Middle East
and elsewhere around the
around the Pacific and Atlantic.
OK. So you said that part of your
job at all set.
Right. All set us
out. So that was you would get
reports and you guys
would study and analyze the physics
behind those reports.
What kind of reports are you talking
about?
One was the least.
One was a Navy laser weapon report
about the development of the
breakthroughs in Solid-State laser
weapon technology.
Another one was a paper I coauthored
as a second author on extra space
dimensional warp drive.
So the lead author got his p.g in
physics at Baylor University in
Waco, Texas, on
looking at extra space dimensions
and drawing on vacuum energy,
quantum vacuum energy from the extra
dimensions to power warp drive.
So we coauthored a paper that I
coauthored. I wrote as a single
author, a paper on traversable
wormholes.
And then I wrote a paper
on
how to explore
the quantum vacuum to
produce negative vacuum energy that
creates that you would need to
create a wormhole and work drive.
And then I authored a paper
on anti-gravity propulsion physics
using generativity because
all that is all wrapped up into the
same physics.
Other people talked about smart
materials, nano materials,
MHC aerospace propulsion
systems, hypersonic
propulsion,
invisibility cloaks, using
metamaterials,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
There were 38 reports.
I don't have the list of I have them
that I have. I don't have all of
them. Only a few, I think, were
released. But I have the one on
traversable wormholes.
OK, one quick thing
about Allsopp.
So how long
did you work with Allsopp?
Five years from 2007 to 2012,
and then it was shut down, right?
Yeah, because we couldn't get.
We couldn't. The DEA
director and executive director were
against renewing it for another
five years.
So they're supposed to get another
five year appropriation from the
Senate through the defense
appropriations bill.
But they turned it down because they
were not given enough complete
information, understand, with the
full scope of the program was
and the reason for that is we were
not sure that they would be accepted
or receptive of this
type of program.
So they were only briefed on
superficial aspects of the program
that they misconstrued to be
a waste of money or just,
you know, unexplained.
Why are we putting that kind of
money into something that got
138 technical papers come out of it
while there's was much more than 30
technical papers?
And and the problem is, is
that you have a problem with a
very biased, closed minds where the
UFO subject concern, especially
if you've got military and civilian
leadership that have been raised
and educated as evangelical
Christians or other religious
or other religious
cults or whatnot, where
they object to UFO is being
set. Canik tone.
And got it.
You know,
nothing that you worked on, though,
during those five years was
considered top secret.
Correct.
It was it was top secret FCI.
It was T.S. FCI sensitive,
compartmentalized information.
So the DOT s it was a
slash FCI.
So the documents I have in my
possession, 38
reports are classified except
for the laser weapon one, which is
now that particular
report is now.
I think it got unclassified because
or declassified because the
technology is now old and out of
date. It's been replaced by more
recent Solid-State weapon technology
that the report.
Well, that that report was basically
a survey of the existing
state of the art of Solid-State
laser weapons at the Navy
and other elements of the DSD have
been developing and deploying for
testing.
OK, so that paper's now opening
with all the other papers.
Of course, they were unclassified,
but that's the nature of those
papers. We wanted the authors
of those papers to be allowed to
publish those papers in the peer
reviewed journals that
correspond to their professional
discipline.
So we deliberately
wanted those papers to be
unclassified so that the authors
can publish those. In fact, my
boss. How put off had already
published his limit that
he had already published his time
metric engineering paper in the
Journal of the British
Interplanetary Society
during the asset program.
But before his DARPA
got published by the DEA.
My my paper
on warp drives, wormholes and
negative vacuum energy that the
quantum tomography of looking at
negative vacuum energy in a variety
of squee state systems
that didn't get published until
2013 in the Journal of the British
Interplanetary Society.
It was also a paper that I presented
as in the in the 20
and the 2011
DARPA, NASA 100 year Starship
Symposium in Tampa in
Orlando, Florida.
And that that was in September,
the end of September 2011.
So I presented that DARPA
paper as a symposium and
proceedings.
That symposium proceedings was being
published along with the others by
Jabe is the Journal of
the British Interplanetary Society
after they underwent the usual
peer review process for acceptance.
Where was all seven eight?
To date coexist at the same
time.
Pretty much all atrip came before
Orsa because of the Nemitz
encounter. So almost, almost
simultaneously, a tip came a little
bit before, but they coordinated and
they both ended in 2012.
No, no.
A tip never ended.
A tip never ended.
No.
It's still going on today.
Yeah.
Who runs it?
Not me.
They changed the name, changed
names, changed location, changed
leadership.
So what did was on.
What's the new name?
I can't tell you, though.
You said the reason you know
this is because you are still
on the inside.
Oh, I'm I'm a consultant still.
Yeah.
You are still insulting.
You are still a consultant for
the program, formerly known as
a tip.
Correct.
And you're saying it's it's
been renamed.
It still exists and it's
still being run out of USDA.
I won't confirm where it's been run
out of, but generally an
intelligence program.
Yeah. You know.
Yeah, I mean, maybe I am confirming
yelped up generally oh, issue.
Oh. Oh, USDA.
Yeah, it it
isn't likely to change locations for
any reason because of the way
the DOJ
is organized.
This is not a this is this
is an intelligence operation to
gather data, analyze it, evaluated
and and recommend courses of action.
So that falls into the intelligence
area.
I got I got a quote from the DOJ
D.
That said that a tip did
investigate and research
unidentified aerial phenomenon.
Does it still investigate?
Unidentified aerial phenomenon?
Yes.
Confirm that a tip is still going.
It's still owned by the, oh USD
guy. It's under a new name and
that's under new management.
That's about all I can say about it,
because you are still under
contract, right?
No, there's no contract.
It's an informing consulting right
now because they don't have
an appropriation to fund external
contractors. So I'm I may
unofficial. I'm just a consultant
and I'm not getting paid to do it.
It's just what happens.
But you have signed some kind of
NDA, correct?
No, don't need to.
I had security clearances.
OK.
And I've got a history in this
business going back to 1996,
so the all of the
the program director knows
me very well.
He knows my boss very well.
He knows my former boss very well.
So if you are not contracted
nor why can't you reveal
the name of the program?
Well, because I still have
security clearances on the record.
So, you know, I wonder, under those
conditions is still we
were still patriotic Americans.
We don't like to talk about
sensitive stuff even
if we don't have a contract.
OK.
It's the rules of the road over
there. You know, we have some
informal, informal rules.
Why would the Pentagon say that
efficiently to the press?
Why would the Pentagon say that a
tip was shut down?
Let me tell you something about the
Pentagon.
It is not true that the public
relations office knows everything
that's going on, especially if it's
a classified program.
There's no automatic procedure by
which they are briefed on everything
there. They don't receive it from
there. They'd be flooded with
information that they don't know
what to do with.
So basically, they would
have to find out about something
after the fact in order to make a
public comment about it.
They are they don't know what the
let's say let's say they're the
right hand. They don't know what the
left hand is doing.
And that's how they. That's how your
government operates.
That's how the Pentagon operates.
When they said that statement, they
were only slightly to correct the
H by that mean no longer
exist.
But the but as an organization
under new leadership, it does exist
with a new name.
So that statement is incorrect.
And that's not because somebody is
lying. It's because they simply
don't know the answer.
And they did not know who to ask to
get that answer, to get that
information from.
All right. When when they came out
and said that Lewis Elizondo
had nothing to do with a tip
whatsoever, the Pentagon, it
was horrible, wrong
place of public relations.
That was absolutely incorrect.
They did not know what they were
talking about.
My boss went to report to Lou
at the Pentagon and the YO USDA
offices during the atypia
era.
So that's, you know, who my boss is,
how put off, right?
Doctor, help it off.
Right. So your boss reported
to little.
Yeah.
And I've been over there, too.
I didn't report to Lou.
I wasn't involved with Lou at that
time, but I'd been I'd been involved
with the new management.
So are you.
Are you guys still
investigating UFOs at the Pentagon?
Yeah, I would say yeah.
Course, they've they never
went away.
They never went away, Steve.
They're still there.
They're still coming up and causing
aviation havoc.
They're getting in the middle of
military aviators
operations.
And that's dangerous.
That's dangerous for those pilots.
I'm gonna ask one more time.
Sure.
Could you at least give me a clue
nugget breadcrumb about the
current eight to anything?
That's about all I have for you.
All right.
I think that's about it.
I try like Bel Air.
Yeah. Okay.
That's about it.
All right. Thank you so much.
Take care. Bye bye.
