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ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER HAS
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER HAS
EMERGED AS A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR
EMERGED AS A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR
ENDING PARTISAN GERRYMANDERING.
ENDING PARTISAN GERRYMANDERING.
HE SPOKE ALONG SIDE ERIC HOLDER
HE SPOKE ALONG SIDE ERIC HOLDER
ON THE DAY THE SUPREME COURT
ON THE DAY THE SUPREME COURT
HEARD ARGUMENTS ABOUT
HEARD ARGUMENTS ABOUT
GERRYMANDERING AND THIS
GERRYMANDERING AND THIS
AFTERNOON I SAT DOWN WITH THE
AFTERNOON I SAT DOWN WITH THE
GOVERNOR TO DISCUSS THAT AND
GOVERNOR TO DISCUSS THAT AND
OTHER TOPICS.
OTHER TOPICS.
GOVERNOR, I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT
GOVERNOR, I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT
HOW GERRYMANDERING IS A SCANDAL
HOW GERRYMANDERING IS A SCANDAL
AND YOU’RE GOING TO TERMINATE
AND YOU’RE GOING TO TERMINATE
IT.
IT.
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
I’M GOING TO SAY HASTA LA VISTA,
I’M GOING TO SAY HASTA LA VISTA,
BABY.
BABY.
WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR, I SAW FIRST
WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR, I SAW FIRST
HAND OF HOW GERRYMANDERING IS
HAND OF HOW GERRYMANDERING IS
RUINING THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
RUINING THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
THEY PROTECT THEIR SEATS.
THEY PROTECT THEIR SEATS.
THEY ELECT AND NICK VOTERS,
THEY ELECT AND NICK VOTERS,
RATHER THAN THE VOTERS PICKING
RATHER THAN THE VOTERS PICKING
THEM AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF
THEM AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF
THINGS.
THINGS.
THE PROBLEM IS THEY DON’T HAVE
THE PROBLEM IS THEY DON’T HAVE
TO GET ANYTHING DONE BECAUSE YOU
TO GET ANYTHING DONE BECAUSE YOU
CAN’T GET THEM OUT THERE.
CAN’T GET THEM OUT THERE.
CONGRESS HAS BELOW 20% APPROVAL
CONGRESS HAS BELOW 20% APPROVAL
RATING.
RATING.
THIS IS CRAZY.
THIS IS CRAZY.
THE SYSTEM IS WRONG AND I THINK
THE SYSTEM IS WRONG AND I THINK
WHAT RAUNGLED REGAN SAID IN THE
WHAT RAUNGLED REGAN SAID IN THE
’80s IS IT’S ANTIDEMOCRATIC AND
’80s IS IT’S ANTIDEMOCRATIC AND
ANTIAMERICAN AND THAT’S WHAT IT
ANTIAMERICAN AND THAT’S WHAT IT
IS.
IS.
IT’S A SCANDAL.
IT’S A SCANDAL.
>> YOU SHIFT IT?
>> YOU SHIFT IT?
>> YOU CREATE.
>> YOU CREATE.
AMONG THE POLITICIANS HERE IN
AMONG THE POLITICIANS HERE IN
WASHINGTON TO WORK TOGETHER.
WASHINGTON TO WORK TOGETHER.
AND TO THE LEFT, THE REPUBLICANS
AND TO THE LEFT, THE REPUBLICANS
IN ORDER TO WIN IN THAT DISTRICT
IN ORDER TO WIN IN THAT DISTRICT
BECAUSE THEY’RE SO NOW YOU CAN’T
BECAUSE THEY’RE SO NOW YOU CAN’T
GET TOGETHER TO GO IN THERE OR
GET TOGETHER TO GO IN THERE OR
COME UP TO SOME -- AND THEY GET
COME UP TO SOME -- AND THEY GET
KICKED OUT OF THE DISTRICT.
KICKED OUT OF THE DISTRICT.
THAT’S THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS.
THAT’S THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS.
THAT’S WHY WE IN CALIFORNIA HAVE
THAT’S WHY WE IN CALIFORNIA HAVE
FIXED THAT.
FIXED THAT.
AND WE HAVE CREATED AN
AND WE HAVE CREATED AN
INDEPENDENT COMMISSION.
INDEPENDENT COMMISSION.
AND THAT DOESN’T LOOK AT
AND THAT DOESN’T LOOK AT
POLITICS.
POLITICS.
DRAWING THE LINES IN THE SAME
DRAWING THE LINES IN THE SAME
WAY AND SINCE THEN WE’VE SEEN
WAY AND SINCE THEN WE’VE SEEN
GREAT CHANGES.
GREAT CHANGES.
THE APRAUVLPROVAL RATING FROM 20
THE APRAUVLPROVAL RATING FROM 20
50%.
50%.
AND THEN MUCH MORE WORK
AND THEN MUCH MORE WORK
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER.
IT’S NOT PERFECT.
IT’S NOT PERFECT.
THE DEMOCRATS WILL ALWAYS BE
THE DEMOCRATS WILL ALWAYS BE
DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS
DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS
WILL ALWAYS BE REPUBLICANS.
WILL ALWAYS BE REPUBLICANS.
BUT WORK TOGETHER AND SOLVE THE
BUT WORK TOGETHER AND SOLVE THE
PROBLEMS.
PROBLEMS.
>> THEY INTERVENED IN FLORIDA
>> THEY INTERVENED IN FLORIDA
BECAUSE THEY SAID EQUAL
BECAUSE THEY SAID EQUAL
PROTECTION.
PROTECTION.
WHY DON’T THEY GET INVOLVED IN
WHY DON’T THEY GET INVOLVED IN
THIS?
THIS?
YOUR HOPES THEY’RE GOING TO STOP
YOUR HOPES THEY’RE GOING TO STOP
THIS INEQUALITY?
THIS INEQUALITY?
>> THE REASON I’M HERE IN
>> THE REASON I’M HERE IN
WASHINGTON IS BECAUSE I WANT TO
WASHINGTON IS BECAUSE I WANT TO
HEAR THE SUPREME COURT’S
HEAR THE SUPREME COURT’S
ARGUMENTS AND THE DIFFERENT
ARGUMENTS AND THE DIFFERENT
DEBATES ABOUT THE MARYLAND CASE
DEBATES ABOUT THE MARYLAND CASE
AND THE NORTH CAROLINA CASE.
AND THE NORTH CAROLINA CASE.
THOSE ARE TWO EXTREME CASES.
THOSE ARE TWO EXTREME CASES.
ONE, THE DEMOCRATS GET THE FAVOR
ONE, THE DEMOCRATS GET THE FAVOR
AND ONE, THE REPUBLICANS.
AND ONE, THE REPUBLICANS.
AND IN MARYLAND IT’S ONE OF
AND IN MARYLAND IT’S ONE OF
THOSE CRAZY THINGS WHERE THE
THOSE CRAZY THINGS WHERE THE
REPUBLICANS GETTING 35% OF THE
REPUBLICANS GETTING 35% OF THE
VOTE BUT ONLY 12.5% OF
VOTE BUT ONLY 12.5% OF
REPRESENTATION.
REPRESENTATION.
AND IN NORTH CAROLINA, THE
AND IN NORTH CAROLINA, THE
DEMOCRATS HAVE 47% OF THE VOTES
DEMOCRATS HAVE 47% OF THE VOTES
BUT ONLY GET 23% OF THE
BUT ONLY GET 23% OF THE
REPRESENTATION.
REPRESENTATION.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.
THIS IS THE CASES THE SUPREME
THIS IS THE CASES THE SUPREME
COURT IS SHARING.
COURT IS SHARING.
AND THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A
AND THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A
DILEMMA ON THEIR HANDS AS
DILEMMA ON THEIR HANDS AS
ALWAYS, WHICH IS SHOULD THE
ALWAYS, WHICH IS SHOULD THE
COURT REALLY GET INVOLVED IN
COURT REALLY GET INVOLVED IN
SOMETHING POLITICIANS WERE MEANT
SOMETHING POLITICIANS WERE MEANT
TO WORK OUT?
TO WORK OUT?
AND READ IN BETWEEN THE LINES OF
AND READ IN BETWEEN THE LINES OF
WHAT THEY’RE STRUGGLING WITH.
WHAT THEY’RE STRUGGLING WITH.
IF WE GET INVOLVED, THEN DONT
IF WE GET INVOLVED, THEN DONT
ALL THE CASES END UP AT THE
ALL THE CASES END UP AT THE
COURT AND THE JUDGES, RATHER
COURT AND THE JUDGES, RATHER
THAN POLITICIANS.
THAN POLITICIANS.
SO IT’S A FAIR ARGUMENT.
SO IT’S A FAIR ARGUMENT.
BUT I THINK IT’S A WAY SMART
BUT I THINK IT’S A WAY SMART
ENOUGH TO HELP THE SITUATION AND
ENOUGH TO HELP THE SITUATION AND
REALLY GET INVOLVED AND SOLVE
REALLY GET INVOLVED AND SOLVE
THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL.
THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL.
THE OPPOSITION THAT THE
THE OPPOSITION THAT THE
POLITICIAN WILL SELF HEAL.
POLITICIAN WILL SELF HEAL.
200 YEARS WE’VE HAD
200 YEARS WE’VE HAD
GERRYMANDERING.
GERRYMANDERING.
>> IT WORKED UNPENNSYLVANIA.
>> IT WORKED UNPENNSYLVANIA.
IT USED TO BE 13-5 REPUBLICAN,
IT USED TO BE 13-5 REPUBLICAN,
EVEN THOUGH THE STATE WAS PRETTY
EVEN THOUGH THE STATE WAS PRETTY
EVEN AND NOW IT’S 9-9.
EVEN AND NOW IT’S 9-9.
IT’S PRETTY FAIR.
IT’S PRETTY FAIR.
McCAIN.
McCAIN.
JOHN McCAIN HAS BEEN VILLINIZED
JOHN McCAIN HAS BEEN VILLINIZED
BY THIS PRESIDENT.
BY THIS PRESIDENT.
>> TO ME IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE
>> TO ME IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE
WHAT ANYBODY SAYS ABOUT McCAIN.
WHAT ANYBODY SAYS ABOUT McCAIN.
I GET ANGRY ABOUT IT NO MATTER
I GET ANGRY ABOUT IT NO MATTER
WHO IT IS BECAUSE McCAIN WAS A
WHO IT IS BECAUSE McCAIN WAS A
VERY DEAR FRIEND OF MINE.
VERY DEAR FRIEND OF MINE.
HE WAS A BIG SUPPORTER OF MINE
HE WAS A BIG SUPPORTER OF MINE
WHEN I RAN FOR GOVERNOR AND
WHEN I RAN FOR GOVERNOR AND
ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS FIGHTING
ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS FIGHTING
FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, WHICH
FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, WHICH
HE WAS ONE OF THOSE GREAT
HE WAS ONE OF THOSE GREAT
REPUBLICANS WHO THOUGHT THERE IS
REPUBLICANS WHO THOUGHT THERE IS
GLOBAL WARMING AND WE SHOULD
GLOBAL WARMING AND WE SHOULD
FIGHT IT.
FIGHT IT.
HE WAS A GREAT WAR HERO.
HE WAS A GREAT WAR HERO.
HE WAS A GREAT SENATOR.
HE WAS A GREAT SENATOR.
HE WAS FANTASTIC IN EVERY WAY.
HE WAS FANTASTIC IN EVERY WAY.
SO ANYONE THAT ATTACKS HIM, I
SO ANYONE THAT ATTACKS HIM, I
WILL FIRE BACK AND I WILL NOT
WILL FIRE BACK AND I WILL NOT
LET THAT GO.
LET THAT GO.
McCAIN WAS YOU KNOW, JUST A
McCAIN WAS YOU KNOW, JUST A
NATIONAL TREASURE.
NATIONAL TREASURE.
>> YOU THINK YOU WERE TOO MUCH
>> YOU THINK YOU WERE TOO MUCH
ALONE IN THAT?
ALONE IN THAT?
NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE STOOD UP TO
NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE STOOD UP TO
JOHN McCAIN IN THE REPUBLICAN
JOHN McCAIN IN THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY.
PARTY.
>> BEING AN AUSTRIAN I SAY I
>> BEING AN AUSTRIAN I SAY I
WANT TABE A BODY BUILDING
WANT TABE A BODY BUILDING
CHAMPION.
CHAMPION.
I WAS ALONE THERE, RIGHT?
I WAS ALONE THERE, RIGHT?
>> THE LONG-TERM IMPACT ON OYOUR
>> THE LONG-TERM IMPACT ON OYOUR
PARTY IN THE COUNTRY OF DONALD
PARTY IN THE COUNTRY OF DONALD
TRUMP?
TRUMP?
>> I DON’T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY
>> I DON’T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY
BECAUSE I’M SO FOCUSSED ON -- I
BECAUSE I’M SO FOCUSSED ON -- I
THINK ALL EVILS ARE CREATED
THINK ALL EVILS ARE CREATED
BECAUSE OF GERRYMANDERING.
BECAUSE OF GERRYMANDERING.
THE REASON WHY I WAS VOTED IN AS
THE REASON WHY I WAS VOTED IN AS
AN OUTSIDER BECAUSE OF THE LOOK
AN OUTSIDER BECAUSE OF THE LOOK
OF AN OUTSIDER.
OF AN OUTSIDER.
THEY DID NOT THINK ABOUT
THEY DID NOT THINK ABOUT
GERRYMANDERING THEN.
GERRYMANDERING THEN.
THE REASON WHY DONALD TRUMP IS
THE REASON WHY DONALD TRUMP IS
BECAUSE THEY LOOK FOR AN
BECAUSE THEY LOOK FOR AN
OUTSIDER.
OUTSIDER.
THIS IS THE STATUS QUO AND ALL
THIS IS THE STATUS QUO AND ALL
THOSE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE
THOSE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE
SEARCHING FOR AN ANSWER.
SEARCHING FOR AN ANSWER.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO SOLVE,
WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO SOLVE,
HAVE TO TACKLE IS THE
HAVE TO TACKLE IS THE
GERRYMANDERING.
GERRYMANDERING.
THAT’S WHERE THE EVIL STARTS AND
THAT’S WHERE THE EVIL STARTS AND
WHERE IT ENDS.
WHERE IT ENDS.
>> WELL, YOU’RE STUCKING TO THE
>> WELL, YOU’RE STUCKING TO THE
TOPIC.
TOPIC.
IS THERE ANY DEMOCRAT YOU SEE
IS THERE ANY DEMOCRAT YOU SEE
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT YOU CAN
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT YOU CAN
IMAGINE VOTING FOR IN 2020?
IMAGINE VOTING FOR IN 2020?
>> IT TOO EARLY TO TELL, REALLY.
>> IT TOO EARLY TO TELL, REALLY.
IT’SALL WAS GOOD TO COME OUT OF
IT’SALL WAS GOOD TO COME OUT OF
THE GAUT AND BE ENTHUSIASTIC.
THE GAUT AND BE ENTHUSIASTIC.
BUT WITH OUR ELECTIONS, IT’S
BUT WITH OUR ELECTIONS, IT’S
MORE SUSTAINING POWER.
MORE SUSTAINING POWER.
BECAUSE UNLIKE EUROPE THAT HAS
BECAUSE UNLIKE EUROPE THAT HAS
SIX-WEEK ELECTION PERIOD.
SIX-WEEK ELECTION PERIOD.
IT’S TWO YEARS.
IT’S TWO YEARS.
HOW CAN YOU SUSTAIN THIS?
HOW CAN YOU SUSTAIN THIS?
HOW CAN YOU BE FRESH TO THE
HOW CAN YOU BE FRESH TO THE
AUDIENCE ALL THE TIME?
AUDIENCE ALL THE TIME?
HOW DO YOU RAISE THE MONEY?
HOW DO YOU RAISE THE MONEY?
HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE WELL?
HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE WELL?
HOW DO YOU STAY ON TOP ALL OF
HOW DO YOU STAY ON TOP ALL OF
THE ISSUES GOING ON RIGHT NOW?
THE ISSUES GOING ON RIGHT NOW?
AND I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE
AND I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE
AS GOOD A SHOT AS EVER BECAUSE
AS GOOD A SHOT AS EVER BECAUSE
PEOPLE LOOK AT DIFFERENT IDEAS.
PEOPLE LOOK AT DIFFERENT IDEAS.
IF THEY CAN ARTICULATE WHAT THE
IF THEY CAN ARTICULATE WHAT THE
FUTURE IS, THEY’RE GOING TO TALK
FUTURE IS, THEY’RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT CHANGING THE VOTING AGE.
ABOUT CHANGING THE VOTING AGE.
THEY TALK ABOUT THE ELECTORAL
THEY TALK ABOUT THE ELECTORAL
COLLEGE, TICKET NOT GOING TO DO
COLLEGE, TICKET NOT GOING TO DO
IT.
IT.
PEOPLE SAY WAIT A MINUTE.
PEOPLE SAY WAIT A MINUTE.
WHINING BECAUSE WE LOST THE
WHINING BECAUSE WE LOST THE
ELECTION.
ELECTION.
NO, SHOW LEADERSHIP.
NO, SHOW LEADERSHIP.
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO WITH
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO WITH
CLIMATE CHANGE, JOB CREATING.
CLIMATE CHANGE, JOB CREATING.
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO TO GET
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO TO GET
RID OF THE NATIONAL DEBT.
RID OF THE NATIONAL DEBT.
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO WITH
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO WITH
COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
AND PAINT A PICTURE FOR THE
AND PAINT A PICTURE FOR THE
PEOPLE TO GET EXCITED OVER.
PEOPLE TO GET EXCITED OVER.
THERE’S SO MANY THINGS STILLSEE
THERE’S SO MANY THINGS STILLSEE
HAS CHANGED ALL NOW.
HAS CHANGED ALL NOW.
WITH THEM COMING OUT AND SAYING
