(cheerful guitar music)
- What's one game, because
I know like from experience
when I played with the Eagles
and when I played with the Patriots
and we played each other.
I'd listen to just how much
they were talking about.
What's one game where you were like,
Jesus this whole game plan it's
like I'm getting slide pro,
chipped, they keep a back back there.
I've seen people do things
in protection for you.
Is there one that you're
like, this isn't even--
- The Patriots.
The Eagles.
The Saints.
Even The Bears had a
nice little game plan.
So I feel like it depends man.
You get a lot of tension but some teams
give you a little bit
more than what you expect.
It should, it'll free up other guys
but it makes sure that your game plan's
that whatever they do
I'm going to let this guy take a chance,
I'd rather give him a chance
to get this one-on-one
but we going to take him out the game.
So that's the thing that it
gets frustrating after a while
but it comes with territory.
- And you're already, like listen,
for people who don't know and
who haven't played with you
should know by watching you,
you're a violent player.
And I mean that as a compliment,
like to me it's one thing to
set your mind to being violent
but to be able to go out
and athletically do it too.
Like there'd be games where I'd be like,
I'm going to go kill
somebody in this game.
I'm going to go fucking destroy somebody.
And then I'd get out there
and try to run and I'm like,
God damn I'm 33-years-old.
(both laughing)
Has the Toradol kicked in yet?
So you have the mentality,
you have the ability.
Where's your mind the night before a game,
the morning of a game, are you anxious,
are you angry, are you
relaxed, what are you?
- The night before the game I'm relaxed,
look before I used to
have, I'd get them jitters
and like you keep thinking about the game.
You're just more nervous
because you want to do good.
I'm never nervous at something,
I'm just nervous that I want to do my job
and I want to do it good, you know?
So in the mornings I'd
usually just wake up,
FaceTime my kids, talk
to my kids, hang up,
take a shower, be in the
shower about 30 minutes
talking to myself,
getting myself amped up,
just talking about what I'm going to do.
So I'm real weird like
that, I talk to myself a lot
just trying to motivate myself
and just tell myself what I gotta do.
- [Chris] What's the first
thing you say to yourself
when you wake up on a Sunday?
Do you say game day,
game day, game day.
- Game day, game day.
- And I jump, and I promise you,
and I'm jumping up,
(laughing)
smacking my chest.
You think about it I'm weird.
- So of course the story
for people who don't know is
we shared a coach who had
impact on both of our careers,
Mike Waufle who we used to
butt heads with, all the time.
You know me and Mike, we used
to fucking, you remember.
- Yeah.
- It was like some days you'd
be like, they hate each other.
But I loved the guy,
and he taught me a lot.
But one thing he used to always say was,
"When you wake up on Sunday,
"you're game day, game day, game day.
"It's the first thing that
should come out of your mouth."
And you really do it.
- Yeah I do it.
- Hi Chris and Aaron, I woke
up for 41 years on Saturdays
and Sundays and first thing
that went off of my head was
game day, game day, game day!
- What else did you learn from Wauf?
- I learnt a lot.
I always tell people this story.
When I got there as a rookie,
I was in there watching a film one day,
he came and caught me watching a film.
He came, he was writing
stuff on the board.
He was just talking to me, he said,
"I'm going to be coach,
I'm going to be saying
"a lot of things in this meeting room."
And I'm a rookie, I ain't
played not one game,
we in the OTA's right now.
"I'm going to be saying a lot of things
"in this meeting room,
"I don't want you to
listen to nothing I say."
And I stopped watching
the film I said, "Huh?".
He said, "I just want to learn you,
"I want to watch you play,
I want to learn from you."
So for me, as a young guy
that never played once.
You hear your defensive line coach
pretty much giving you freedom right away
to just go out there and play,
I feel like that was what made me
feel much more comfortable.
Like I ain't gotta try,
I'm going to just do me.
I'm going to just do me
and if I mess up something.
He just said, If I mess up
something, it's on me, just play.
- Well the way we played was attacking.
Everything was you do things
three yards in the back field,
and if you get three
yards in the back field,
and you beat somebody to a
spot, you know to each his own.
And that's a big part of it.
And I see you at the camps
and we talk about this.
You love the technique,
you love the art form.
I can see you coaching,
you'll have way too much money to want to
deal with that bullshit when you're done.
But I can see you coaching
and that's a compliment
because I could see you
really passing that passion
on to younger players.
But one thing a lot of coaches forget is,
every player is not made the same.
- Yeah exactly.
- So a lot of coaches get these techniques
that they want to push on players,
like if they told me go
watch Julias Peppers tape,
I'm like what the fuck am
I going to do with that?
I'll enjoy it, but there's
nothing I can take from it.
So giving you that freedom,
which moves work for you.
Everybody in that group
we had was different.
You know what I mean?
From a technique, from
a physical standpoint.
- One thing I got down was
that, what Wauf taught me,
was the chop club.
You know Rob Quinn did that
chop club all the time?
- [Chris] Yep, and I couldn't
do it to save my life.
- And that's when I used to start
watching film on Rob a lot.
- That's why I got the jump
chop now, I took that from Rob.
Just studying his film over the years.
It's just for me,
learning pass rush moves
is just repetition.
I had coaches always say, slow
to fast, slow becomes smooth.
- Slow becomes smooth,
smooth becomes whatever.
- Yeah, but it's really like
that though, that's honest.
You walk through stuff and then.
And practice's you trying to work it.
It's not going to be the right way,
you just got to keep going
and keep working and keep practicing.
- [Chris] And don't be
afraid to fail at it.
- And don't be afraid to fail at it.
- And that's the hardest
part in the D line,
O line culture right now.
Because you turn on the
internet, turn on the internet
(laughing)
I sound old as fuck.
You log on to Twitter and you see videos
of camp culture and the one-on-ones,
everything's one-on-one's.
And when you get in a one-on-one
some players who don't have
clout are afraid to try things
because if you get embarrassed.
- They afraid to lose.
You're afraid to lose.
- But you're not going to
win every pass rush move.
but as long as you winning
more than what you lose.
You just gotta trust your moves,
you gotta trust the process.
You gotta just trust what
you're doing is going to work.
That's all it is.
- Would you say that
more coaches need to free
their younger players up
to do what suits them?
- Yeah, but everybody's different
I feel like they should
give them freedom to see
what their strengths
is, and their weaknesses
and work from there.
Because like you said, you
can't teach a lot of guys
the same moves, everybody
ain't got the chop club,
everybody ain't got the swipes,
everybody ain't got the same power moves.
- I felt so stupid trying the chop club.
But every now and again you
hit it and you feel good.
- Yeah you hit it, listen
you hit some chop clubs,
I seen you hit some chops before.
- Yes I have.
- See? But you just wrecked it.
- For the viewers out
there, I still got it.
(laughing)
So is there a move that
when you hit that move
that you feel like, that was sweet.
Like you know what I
mean, is it the chop club,
is it a spin, like what
is it for you, a hump?
- For me, it's a little bit of everything
but I like the chop,
the chop club I feel like
that's the speed rush,
that's the rush that's bang bang clean
and you gonna get free
as a defensive tackle
to get that quarterback
when he's not looking.
- Chop club, beautiful
move when it's executed.
Chopping down on low hand
and getting the back shoulder
to get by the offensive lineman.
Or you could just drop them on their face
because they're leaning so hard
because they're afraid of the bull rush,
that's what Aaron Donald does.
Seen guys like Gerald McCoy hit it.
I've seen guys like Robert
Quinn hit it with regularity.
But nobody hit it with more
regularity that the technician,
one of my favorite players, Osi Uhenyiora.
- What's going on Chris,
it's your man Osi.
We're going to talk today
about the chop club,
but it's not just the chop club,
it is the freeze chop club.
A freeze is very, very important.
If you just chop club, a
guy's just going to push you
on by the quarterback and that's no good.
But if you do the freeze what this does
is it gets the offensive
lineman to stop his feet
for a millisecond and that gives us,
the premium athletes that we are,
the chance to come around the edge.
So you come up the field, you step inside
and as soon as you step inside
most of the time the offensive lineman
is going to be bracing for
a bull rush or inside move,
so he's going to stop the speed
and then you come over the
top with your left hand,
and pull yourself through
with the right hand.
But it's not a one, two,
it's almost a simultaneous
move, it's a one two.
And as soon as you do the
one two, the chop club,
you gotta turn your
shoulders to the quarterback.
If you don't do that you're
going to go up the field.
So you come in, you step in, chop club,
and you're on your way
to the quarterback man.
Best move in all of football.
Most people don't use this anymore man,
but you guys know all
about that don't you?
- When I came to the league
everybody was a puncher, right.
I don't know if you noticed this,
and I don't know what they're
doing now to guard anymore,
but a lot of guys went to low
hand, you know what I mean?
And that was the answer to low hand,
and a lot of times now
they're pulling their punches.
- Yeah, I feel like a
lot of the O line coaches
just teach them that,
not to get your hands--
- So how do you defeat that?
- So if you're doing
a chop, and they pull,
it's more of a now you
go to your counter move,
whatever your counter is,
sometimes it'd be power.
Power on or power pop Wauf would've said.
- And I think yeah power pop, apex.
- But that was real moves
that if you think about it
it's all about getting to
the back of the shoulder pad.
- [Chris] Get to the back.
- And once you get to the back,
you'd beat the offensive lineman all day.
- And I see you do this stuff
all the time and I'm like,
I wonder if he's thinking
about what Wauf told him,
a little bit of everything.
- Honestly I still go over to Wauf's house
and Wauf will tell me you
need to do some more of this.
He still coach me and
I still listen to him.
I still go visit him and he'll tell me
what he thinks I should do.
And I go to practice and I practice that.
- But it is, most rushers
they plan things too much.
I don't know about you,
I would get in a game and
I'd have a loose plan,
but you gotta be ready
to hit the curb ball.
Because you might watch a guy on film
and think you can bowl him super easy
but he's got a better
anchor than you think.
- Yeah exactly, you right.
- Or you've got a guy you're like,
oh I've seen all these
slow guys get his edge
but I can't get it for some reason,
you have to have curb balls.
And another thing is, within
a play you need to have
that second move loaded in the chamber.
And you do that really well,
the sack against The Lions.
You're ready for the
second guy in slide pro.
You're ready for, you miss with the chop,
you're going to power.
What's your prep process in the week?
- What I learned from
just, well I studied a guy.
So if I'm studying a guy
obviously like you just said,
you might see a guy that's
doing low hand all through.
You're like I'm going to
do this chop club all game.
And then you play on
it now he's a puncher.
So I got it, they switch up
sets and things like that
but it's going to come
to a point in the game
they going to go back to what they know.
And that's when you start
seeing that low hand a lot.
- Especially when they
put that helmet in there.
- You know, then you
switch it up with them too.
So it's for me,
pass rushing ain't
nothing but counter moves.
It's a counter on a counter on a counter.
So if I go chop club, I might
hit them that first chop club
and then he try to pull that hand back.
And him swinging it out, so
hand back and pulling it back,
what he's doing he's giving me the edge.
So I might miss and I
might just go to a rip
and beat you on the edge from
just you giving up the edge.
- Which us tall guys can't
so I don't have that.
- So it just for me, pass rushing moves
ain't nothing but counters.
Just you know, you have a plan
you know for a third along.
When you are down you gotta go get it.
And sometimes you gonna work
power, and work off that.
So it's just counter moves.
- Thanks for watching part four
of the AD fish bowl interview.
I know, it's been a lot of
fun doing this interview.
Hopefully you're enjoying watching it.
Part five is going to be
a lot more introspective.
Going to talk about how he blames himself
for the Superbowl a little bit,
whether you think that's right or wrong.
And also what can he possibly do
to get even better which is scary.
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