>>> BACK TO "HARDBALL."
>>> BACK TO "HARDBALL." JUST A MONTH AWAY FROM JOHN
JUST A MONTH AWAY FROM JOHN KELLY’S ONE YEAR -- ISN’T IT
KELLY’S ONE YEAR -- ISN’T IT EXCITE -- ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY
EXCITE -- ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY AS CHIEF OF STAFF.
AS CHIEF OF STAFF. IT COMES UP AS JULY 31 JUST AS
IT COMES UP AS JULY 31 JUST AS WHEN ANTHONY KENNEDY IS ABOUT TO
WHEN ANTHONY KENNEDY IS ABOUT TO LEAVE.
LEAVE. ACCORDING TO A NEW "WALL STREET
ACCORDING TO A NEW "WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORT, GENERAL KELLY
JOURNAL" REPORT, GENERAL KELLY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE HIS OWN
MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE HIS OWN DEADLINE.
DEADLINE. THIS REPORT SAYS PRESIDENT TRUMP
THIS REPORT SAYS PRESIDENT TRUMP IS OPENLY CONSULTING ADVISERS,
IS OPENLY CONSULTING ADVISERS, ASKING THEM ABOUT WHO TO REPLACE
ASKING THEM ABOUT WHO TO REPLACE KELLY WITH.
KELLY WITH. ONE PERSON CLOSE TO THE WHITE
ONE PERSON CLOSE TO THE WHITE HOUSE SAID MR. KELLY DOESN’T
HOUSE SAID MR. KELLY DOESN’T BELIEVE HE CAN SERVE MR. TRUMP
BELIEVE HE CAN SERVE MR. TRUMP WELL BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT
WELL BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT STOPPED WILL BE TO HIM.
STOPPED WILL BE TO HIM. THIS PERSON SAID MR. KELLY NO
THIS PERSON SAID MR. KELLY NO LONGER LIKES THE JOB AND DOESN’T
LONGER LIKES THE JOB AND DOESN’T BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT WANTS A
BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT WANTS A CHIEF OF STAFF.
CHIEF OF STAFF. THE TOP TWO CHOICES TO REPLACE
THE TOP TWO CHOICES TO REPLACE HIM ARE NICK AYERS OR MICK
HIM ARE NICK AYERS OR MICK MULVANEY.
MULVANEY. WHETHER THEY’LL HAVE BETTER LUCK
WHETHER THEY’LL HAVE BETTER LUCK RESTRAINING TRUMPS MERCURIAL
RESTRAINING TRUMPS MERCURIAL INSTINCTS THAT A RETIRED
INSTINCTS THAT A RETIRED FOUR-STAR GENERAL ISN’T AN OPEN
FOUR-STAR GENERAL ISN’T AN OPEN QUESTION.
QUESTION. IN APRIL, NBC NEWS REPORTED
IN APRIL, NBC NEWS REPORTED KELLY WAS LIKELY TO LEAVE BY
KELLY WAS LIKELY TO LEAVE BY JULY 31 NOTING THAT KELLY
JULY 31 NOTING THAT KELLY REPORTEDLY CALLED HIM AN IDIOT.
REPORTEDLY CALLED HIM AN IDIOT. THE OTHER GUY CALLED HIM A
THE OTHER GUY CALLED HIM A MORON.
MORON. WE HAVE PHIL RUCKER FROM THE
WE HAVE PHIL RUCKER FROM THE "WASHINGTON POST" AND A NATIONAL
"WASHINGTON POST" AND A NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER FOR
POLITICAL REPORTER FOR BLOOMBERG.
BLOOMBERG. EVERY TIME I SEE THE GENERAL I
EVERY TIME I SEE THE GENERAL I LOOK AT A GROWN UP AND EVERY
LOOK AT A GROWN UP AND EVERY TIME I SEE THE PRESIDENT I SEE
TIME I SEE THE PRESIDENT I SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SOMETHING DIFFERENT. HOW DOES HE TELL THE PRESIDENT
HOW DOES HE TELL THE PRESIDENT WHAT TO DO?
WHAT TO DO? >> IT LOOKS LIKE HE CAN’T.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE HE CAN’T. >> WELL, HE PROBABLY CAN’T.
>> WELL, HE PROBABLY CAN’T. HE’S HAVING TROUBLE WITH THAT
HE’S HAVING TROUBLE WITH THAT BUT IF HE LEAVES, THE SITUATION
BUT IF HE LEAVES, THE SITUATION AT THE WHITE HOUSE, A LOT OF
AT THE WHITE HOUSE, A LOT OF THINGS WILL REMAIN THE SAME,
THINGS WILL REMAIN THE SAME, RIGHT?
RIGHT? HE’S HAD TWO CHIEF OF STAFFS,
HE’S HAD TWO CHIEF OF STAFFS, THEY HAD VERY DIFFERENT
THEY HAD VERY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS
BACKGROUNDS BACKGROUNDS.
BACKGROUNDS. >> REMIND ME, REINCE PRIEBUS --
>> REMIND ME, REINCE PRIEBUS -- >> REINCE PRIEBUS AND THEN JOHN
>> REINCE PRIEBUS AND THEN JOHN KELLY.
KELLY. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS,
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, PRIEBUS CAME FROM THE RNC,
PRIEBUS CAME FROM THE RNC, POLITICAL GUY AND THINGS HAVE
POLITICAL GUY AND THINGS HAVE STAYED THE SAME.
STAYED THE SAME. SOME THINGS DID CHANGE WHEN
SOME THINGS DID CHANGE WHEN KELLY WENT IN THERE BUT STILL
KELLY WENT IN THERE BUT STILL TRUMP WILL DO WHAT HE WANTS TO
TRUMP WILL DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.
DO. >> MAYBE THE CHIEF OF STAFF’S
>> MAYBE THE CHIEF OF STAFF’S JOB IS TO TELL THE PRESIDENT TO
JOB IS TO TELL THE PRESIDENT TO SET ON A SUMMIT MEET WITH WITH
SET ON A SUMMIT MEET WITH WITH THE DICTATOR OF NAERK TOORTH KOR
THE DICTATOR OF NAERK TOORTH KOR CHECK WITH THE DEFENSE
CHECK WITH THE DEFENSE SECRETARY.
SECRETARY. TRUMP DOES WHAT HE FEELS LIKE
TRUMP DOES WHAT HE FEELS LIKE DOING IT.
DOING IT. >> TRUMP REFUSES TO BE MANAGED.
>> TRUMP REFUSES TO BE MANAGED. KELLY TRIED TO DO THAT THE FIRST
KELLY TRIED TO DO THAT THE FIRST FEW MONTHS IN THE JOB, HE FOUND
FEW MONTHS IN THE JOB, HE FOUND A LOT OF RESISTANCE AND NOW
A LOT OF RESISTANCE AND NOW KELLY IS IN AN OPERATIONAL ROLE.
KELLY IS IN AN OPERATIONAL ROLE. HE’S HELPING RUN THE GOVERNMENT
HE’S HELPING RUN THE GOVERNMENT BUT TRUMP IS CALLING THE SHOTS,
BUT TRUMP IS CALLING THE SHOTS, MAKING THE DECISIONS, DECIDING
MAKING THE DECISIONS, DECIDING WHERE HE GOES, WHO HE TALKS TO,
WHERE HE GOES, WHO HE TALKS TO, WHAT HE DOES AND DECIDING TO
WHAT HE DOES AND DECIDING TO HAVE THAT SUMMIT WITH KIM
HAVE THAT SUMMIT WITH KIM JONG-UN.
JONG-UN. >> TRUMP IS HIS OWN CHIEF OF
>> TRUMP IS HIS OWN CHIEF OF STAFF, SENIOR ADVISER AND
STAFF, SENIOR ADVISER AND COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR ALL
COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR ALL ROLLED INTO ONE.
ROLLED INTO ONE. >> CHIEF CHEERLEADER FOR
>> CHIEF CHEERLEADER FOR HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. >> AS TIME GOES ON IN THE WHITE
>> AS TIME GOES ON IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HE LISTENS TO PEOPLE LESS
HOUSE, HE LISTENS TO PEOPLE LESS AND LESS.
AND LESS. YOU CAN HAVE A CHIEF OF STAFF
YOU CAN HAVE A CHIEF OF STAFF THAT TRIES TO SET UP STRUCTURES
THAT TRIES TO SET UP STRUCTURES BUT THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO
BUT THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO GET AROUND IT.
GET AROUND IT. >> BUT THAT’S ABOUT HIS WINNING
>> BUT THAT’S ABOUT HIS WINNING STREAK.
STREAK. I THINK A LOT OF NOT JUST
I THINK A LOT OF NOT JUST DICTATORS BUT PEOPLE GO MY
DICTATORS BUT PEOPLE GO MY HUNCHES SEEM TO BE BETTER THAN
HUNCHES SEEM TO BE BETTER THAN PEOPLE AROUND ME.
PEOPLE AROUND ME. >> AND ON THINGS LIKE TARIFFS
>> AND ON THINGS LIKE TARIFFS THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T DO THAT.
THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T DO THAT. HE LISTENED TO PEOPLE WHO SAID
HE LISTENED TO PEOPLE WHO SAID DON’T DO IT.
DON’T DO IT. ON WITHDRAWING FROM THE IRAN
ON WITHDRAWING FROM THE IRAN DEAL HE DIDN’T DO IT BUT THIS
DEAL HE DIDN’T DO IT BUT THIS YEAR AS TIME GOES ON HE LISTENED
YEAR AS TIME GOES ON HE LISTENED TO HIMSELF MORE AND MORE.
TO HIMSELF MORE AND MORE. >> IS HE THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE
>> IS HE THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE WHITE HOUSE?
WHITE HOUSE? TRUMP?
TRUMP? >> HE THINKS SO.
>> HE THINKS SO. AND HE THINKS HE’S SMARTER NOT
AND HE THINKS HE’S SMARTER NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF INTELLIGENCE
ONLY IN TERMS OF INTELLIGENCE BUT HE THINKS HE HAS BETTER
BUT HE THINKS HE HAS BETTER POLITICAL INSTANTS THAN THE
POLITICAL INSTANTS THAN THE POLITICAL PROFESSIONALS AND HE
POLITICAL PROFESSIONALS AND HE FELT THAT WAY ALL ALONG.
FELT THAT WAY ALL ALONG. >> WHO AGREES WITH HIM WHEN HE
>> WHO AGREES WITH HIM WHEN HE DECIDES WE WON’T DEAL WITH THE
DECIDES WE WON’T DEAL WITH THE EUROPEANS, WE’RE BREAKING THE
EUROPEANS, WE’RE BREAKING THE NATO ALLIANCE, IT’S WORSE THAN
NATO ALLIANCE, IT’S WORSE THAN NAFTA, BLAH BLAH BLAH, WE DON’T
NAFTA, BLAH BLAH BLAH, WE DON’T LIKE THE CANADIANS, WE DON’T
LIKE THE CANADIANS, WE DON’T LIKE THE PRIME MINISTER, WE
LIKE THE PRIME MINISTER, WE DON’T LIKE ANYBODY.
DON’T LIKE ANYBODY. THE PEOPLE WE LIKE ARE KIM
THE PEOPLE WE LIKE ARE KIM JONG-UN AND PUTIN.
JONG-UN AND PUTIN. I KNOW BOLTON DOESN’T THINKLIKE
I KNOW BOLTON DOESN’T THINKLIKE THIS.
THIS. WHO DOES HE HAVE THAT SAYS GOOD
WHO DOES HE HAVE THAT SAYS GOOD POINT?
POINT? >> CLEARLY THEY’RE NOT SAYING
>> CLEARLY THEY’RE NOT SAYING THAT.
THAT. THAT’S NOT HAPPENING SO THE
THAT’S NOT HAPPENING SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO THEY SAY TO
QUESTION IS WHAT DO THEY SAY TO HIM AFTER?
HIM AFTER? ARE THEY REALLY SAYING TO HIM
ARE THEY REALLY SAYING TO HIM YOU SHOULD HAVEN’T DONE THAT?
YOU SHOULD HAVEN’T DONE THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO SAY THAT TO THE
ARE YOU GOING TO SAY THAT TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? >> WOULD THAT WORK, PHIL?
>> WOULD THAT WORK, PHIL? >> NO, THEY MANAGE THE FALLOUT
>> NO, THEY MANAGE THE FALLOUT SO THEY LET HIM DO WHAT HE WANTS
SO THEY LET HIM DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, SAY WHAT HE WANTS TO SAY
TO DO, SAY WHAT HE WANTS TO SAY AND MANAGE IT WITHIN THE
AND MANAGE IT WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. >> OR TRY.
>> OR TRY. >> "THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND"
>> "THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND" HE PLAYED IDI AMIN.
HE PLAYED IDI AMIN. HE FELL IN LOVE WITH PEOPLE AND
HE FELL IN LOVE WITH PEOPLE AND THEN FELL OUT OF THEM.
THEN FELL OUT OF THEM. NIXON LIKED PEOPLE LIKE PAT
NIXON LIKED PEOPLE LIKE PAT MOYNIHAN AND THEN HE DROPPED
MOYNIHAN AND THEN HE DROPPED THEM.
THEM. IS THAT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE THIS
IS THAT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE THIS THE PRESIDENT?
THE PRESIDENT? HE LIKES PEOPLE FOR A COUPLE OF
HE LIKES PEOPLE FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS --
MONTHS -- >> HE GETS BORED WITH PEOPLE.
>> HE GETS BORED WITH PEOPLE. WE KNOW ME GETS BORED WITH
WE KNOW ME GETS BORED WITH PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. WE KNOW HE VALUES CHEMISTRY
