>>   YOU DO YOU KNOW HE IF THE
>>   YOU DO YOU KNOW HE IF THE
BUREAU EVER RELIED ON THE STEELE
DOSSIER AS PART OF ANY COURT
FILINGS, APPLICATIONS,
PETITIONS, PLEADINGS.
>>  I HAVE NO AWARENESS.
>>  DID THE CIA RELY ON IT?
>> NO.
>>  WHY NOT?
>> BECAUSE WE DIDN’T.
IT WASN’T PART OF THE CORPUS OF
INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION THAT WE
HAD.
MARIA:  THAT WAS TREY GOWDY
GRILLING JOHN BRENNAN BACK IN
MAY OF 2017.
GOWDY WAS ONE OF ONLY TWO GOP
CONGRESSMEN ALONG WITH JOHN
RATCLIFFE WHO SAW THE REDACTED
DOCUMENTS IN THE TRUMP RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION AS WELL AS THE
HILLARY CLINTON INVESTIGATION,
THE E-MAIL PROBE WHICH THE FBI
WAS CONDUCTING SIMULTANEOUSLY.
TREY GOWDY JOINS ME NOW, A FOX
NEWS CONTRIBUTOR, AND AUTHOR OF
A NEW BOOK, IT DOESN’T HURT TO
ASK.
YOU’VE DONE THAT SO WELL OVER
YOUR CAREER.
WE APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US
THIS WEEKEND.
GOOD TO SEE YOU, TREY.
>>  YES, MA’AM.
YOU TOO.
THANK YOU.
MARIA:  WHERE ARE WE?
WE’RE WAITING ON THE RESULTS OF
THE CRIMINAL PROBE FROM JOHN
DURHAM.
WE WATCHED YOU INTERVIEW JOHN
BRENNAN BACK IN 2017 WHERE HE
SAID HE DIDN’T USE THE DOSSIER
AT ALL.
WHAT’S YOUR TAKE ON THE
ARRANGEMENT OF THE CIA AND THE
FBI AND WHO IS CULPABLE HERE FOR
USING THIS PIECE OF INFORMATION,
WHICH WE KNOW WAS JUST HEARSAY,
MADE UP IN A BAR, AS EVIDENCE OR
REASON TO GET A WARRANT TO
WIRETAP CARTER PAGE AND THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN?
>> WELL, WE CERTAINLY KNOW THE
FBI IS CULPABLE.
YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD
FOR IT.
MICHAEL HOROWITZ IS NOT A
ROCK-RIBBED REPUBLICAN, HE WAS
NOMINATED BY BARACK OBAMA AND
UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BY THE U.S.
SENATE.
HE’S HARDLY A PARTISAN.
HE’S HARDLY A PARTISAN.
THE PHI TAKE FISA COURT DINGED T
EVERYONE WHO LOOKED AT THE FBI’S
CONDUCT IN THE FALL OF 2016 SAID
THEY DIDN’T MEET THE BASIC
EXPECTATIONS.
I LIKE TO PIVOT TO THE FALL OF
2015 OR EARLIER IN 2016, WHO WAS
DRIVING THE ENGINE, WHO WAS
DRIVING THE TRAIN THEN, I’M
HOPING DURHAM CAN TELL US HOW
THIS WHOLE NARRATIVE -- I GET
THAT RUSSIA WAS TRYING TO ATTACK
US.
I GET THAT.
THE NARRATIVE THAT SOMEHOW THAT
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS COMPLICIT
OR CONSPIRING WITH THEM, WHERE
DID THAT START?
WHAT IS THE EVIDENTIARY BASIS OF
IT?
AND I THINK DURHAM -- I’M NOT
GOING TO PREJUDGE WHAT HE’S
GOING TO FIND.
I THINK IT WILL BE A MIXTURE OF
THE CIA AND THE FBI.
MARIA:  OKAY.
BECAUSE YOU MAKE REALLY AN
IMPORTANT POINT FOR OUR AWED
JENS TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE UP --
AUDIENCE TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE
UP UNTIL NOW THE FBI KEEPS
TELLING US AND THEY TOLD YOU TO
YOUR FACE WE STARTED AN
INVESTIGATION INTO TRUMP IN JULY
OF 2016.
BUT TREY WE KNOW THERE’S ALL
THIS ACTIVITY EARLY IN 2016 AND
CERTAINLY FROM WHAT I’VE BEEN
ABLE TO GLEAN FROM IT AND
REPORT, IT CERTAINLY FEELS LIKE
THEY WERE SENDING INFORMANTS AT
TRUMP CAMPAIGN PEOPLE TO TRY TO
ENTRAP THEM SO THAT IN 2016 THEY
COULD COME UP WITH THESE REASONS
FOR ARRESTING THEM.
>>  I INVITE YOUR VIEWERS, DO
THIS THING IN THREE PARTS.
WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE SUMMER
OF 2016, WITH PAP DONE PAPADOPOU
WHERE DID IT START AND THE
INVESTIGATION SIGNED OFF BY
PETER STRZOK IN JULY OF 2016 AND
VIEW SEPARATELY THE FALL OF 2016
WITH CARTER PAGE, THEY’RE
HOPELESSLY INTERLOCKED.
YOU NEED ACCOUNTABILITY AT EVERY
ONE OF THOSE THREE STAGES AND
YOU’VE GOT TO VIEW THEM IN THREE
STAGES OR AT LEAST I THINK
THAT’S WHAT’S MOST PRODUCTIVE.
MARIA:  SO IT’S INTERESTING,
BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHETHER
YOU’RE A TARGET OR A WITNESS,
JOHN BRENNAN SEEMS TO BE DOING
SOME PR AROUND HIS INTERVIEW
WITH JOHN DURHAM.
HE’S TELLING PEOPLE, WELL, I’M
NOT A TARGET.
I’M A WITNESS.
I MEAN, THERE IS CONCERN THAT
JOHN DURHAM IS DRAGGING HIS
FEET.
HOW COME WE HAVEN’T HEARD FROM
DURHAM?
AND WALK US THROUGH BEING A
TARGET VERSUS A WITNESS AND WHAT
JOHN BRENNAN IS SAYING NOW.
HE JUST INTERVIEWED WITH JOHN
DURHAM.
>> YEAH.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE WORDS THAT THE
BUREAU AND THE DEPARTMENT THROW
AROUND.
MY EXPERIENCE AS A PROS YOU CUE
TORE IS YOUR TAKE -- PROSECUTOR
IS YOUR STATUS CAN CHANGE IN AN
INSTANT.
YOU CAN MOVE FROM BEING A
WITNESS TO A TARGET.
I UNDERSTAND THE PR MACHINE
WANTS US TO BELIEVE HE’S NOT A
TARGET.
THAT STATUS CAN CHANGE.
YOU’RE ONE DOCUMENT OR ONE FALSE
STATEMENT AWAY FROM GOING FROM
ONE TO THE OTHER.
SO WITH RESPECT TO DURHAM, MY
EXPECTATION IS THAT HE IS GOING
TO ACCESS DOCUMENTS THAT
RATCLIFFE AND I NEVER GOT TO
SEE, HE’S GOING TO ACCESS
DOCUMENTS THAT THE FBI NEVER
SHARED REQUEST CONGRESSWITH CONG
THE DEFINITIVE ACCOUNTING OF
WHAT HAPPENED.
WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE
MORE INDICTMENTS OR NOT.
I DON’T KNOW.
I LIKE TO ASSUME THERE WILL NOT
BE.
THAT PUTS ME IN A SMALL
MINORITY.
I’M ASSUMING THE CLINESMITH
INDICTMENT WILL BE THE ONLY ONE.
I WOULD LIKEN IT TO SECOND
CLINTON.
SHE WAS NOT INDICTED.
WHEN THE JURY IN 2016 MET THEY
DID METE OUT PUNISHMENT AND
ACCOUNTABILITY.
RECORDLESS WHETHER BRENNAN,
COMEY, STRZOK OR PAGE OR BAKER
OR ANYONE ELSE SUFFERS A
CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCE, THE JURY
HAS A CHANCE IN NOVEMBER OF 2020
TO WEIGH IN AND SAY YOU KNOW
WHAT, YOU DIDN’T MEET OUR
EXPECTATIONS FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
WE’RE GOING TO METE OUT THE
PUNISHMENT, WHETHER OR NOT
THERE’S AN INDICTMENT OR NOT.
MARIA:  YEAH.
BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE SOME VIEWERS
LOOKING AT THIS SYSTEM AND
SAYING THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT
SYSTEMS OF JUSTICE.
I MEAN, YOU OVERSAW THE
INVESTIGATION INTO THE HILLARY
CLINTON E-MAIL SCANDAL AND I
MEAN, LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK
AT THAT, THERE WERE 30 PLUS
THOUSAND E-MAILS WHICH WERE
DESTROYED.
I MEAN, I CALL THAT OBSTRUCTION.
THERE WAS A MEETING TWO DAYS
BEFORE HILLARY CLINTON WAS TO
GET AN INTERVIEW WITH THE FBI, A
MEETING ON THE TARMAC IN PHOENIX
WITH HILLARY CLINTON’S HUSBAND
AND A SITTING ATTORNEY GENERAL,
LORETTA LYNCH MET WITH HIM ON A
PRIVATE PLANE.
PEOPLE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE
MEETING AND THEY SAID WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT THE GRANDKIDS.
I MEAN, COME ON.
SO I ASK YOU YOU THIS.
IS THERE ANY WAY AT ALL THAT FOR
EXAMPLE THE CHINESE COMMUNIST
PARTY, KNOWING THEIR ESPIONAGE,
KNOWING WHAT THEY’VE DONE, IS
THERE ANY WAY THEY DID NOT KNOW
THAT A SITTING SECRETARY OF
STATE AND SITTING PRESIDENT,
BARACK OBAMA WERE COMMUNICATING
IN AN UNSECURED SERVER AND WERE
THEY BREACHING AND LOOKING AT
THOSE E-MAILS IN CHINA?
>> YOU RAISE A LOT OF GOOD
POINTS.
LET’S GO BACK TO JIM COMEY’S
JULY 15th 15th PRESS CONFERENCE
LOOK AT THE DRAFTS OF HIS SPEECH
AND THE FACT THAT HE HAD
INCLUDED THE LIKELIHOOD, THE
PROBABILITY THAT A HOSTILE
FOREIGN COUNTRY HAD ACCESSED HER
SERVER AND THEN HE DECIDES TO
EDIT THAT OUT.
SO YOU POINT OUT THE
DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE WAY
PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS TREATED AND
THE WAY SECRETARY CLINTON, YOU
BARELY SCRATCHED THE SURFACE IN
THE DISCREPANCIES.
I MEAN, THINK ABOUT SENDING THE
QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME.
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE LET
HER KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
THEY DECIDED YOU AHEAD OF TIME
SHE WASN’T GOING TO BE CHARGED.
THE DEFENSE BRIEFINGS, LOOK AT
HOW THEY BRIEFED HER VERSUS HOW
THEY BRIEFED OR DID NOT BRIEF
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE ONE THAT
STAGGERS ME, MARIA, IS THE
ALLOWING OF FACT WITNESSES TO
SIT IN ON HER INTERVIEW.
SHE HAD A SMALL LAW FIRM.
A SMALL LAW FIRM SITTING WITH
HER AND YET THEY CAN’T BE
BOTHERED TO LET GENERAL FLYNN
HAVE A LAWYER PRESENT.
SO THERE’S A LOT OF DISCREPANCY.
THE THING I WOULD JUST CAUTION
YOUR VIEWERS, I KNOW YOUR
EXPECTATIONS ARE HIGH, I KNOW
YOU’RE DISAPPOINTED.
WE AS A CULTURE, YOU’VE GOT TO
HAVE A CRIMINAL STATUTE, YOU’VE
GOT TO HAVE EVIDENCE BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT BUT NARROWLY
