>Those of us who read the Bible
believe that there is a demonic
conflict accelerating in these
last
days and there is going to be a
last battle. 
>And here to talk about this
and many
other subjects is the author of
a book called "Veneration". 
What could that mean?
Veneration. Derek Gilbert,
welcome back
to Prophecy Watchers! >>Well
it's an honor to be here Gary
and I've gotta give credit
to my wife Sharon who is the
co-author on the book here for
inspiring
us to write this book. She
realized that the research that
we've been doing here for 
previous books both for my
nonfiction work, but for her
fiction series called 
The Redwing Saga has dealt with
these ancient spirits that
the Hebrews called Rephaim, 
the Greeks and Romans called
them 'daimons', today there
are people who believe that
they're the spirits of their
ancestors but in fact in truth
they stem from the Nephilim,
the giants, the mighty men who
were 
of old who were destroyed in
the flood. And the thing is,
this is a 
very modern topic. This is not
just interesting ancient
history, this isn't
boring theology. This
influences our world in a very
relevant way in pop culture, in
alternate religions and it's
even seeping into the church.
>And before we go on, I should
mention
that Sharon Gilbert gets top
billing. >>And rightly so.
>(chuckles)And rightly
so. I'm going to open
"Veneration" to chapter 
22 which is intriguingly titled
"The Dead in Space".
Now fill us in. Background us a
little bit. We've been talking
about the old gods, the rebels,
and a war
that's been going on in the
heavens now for thousands of
years in our
time. And we talk about the
biblical conclusion of this
great
war in the book of Revelation.
And this is 
very exciting to me because
we're getting so close, and our
Lord is
poised in the heavens to come
back and do the final
battle and get rid of these bad
guys once and for all, and I
can't 
wait, personally. But in the
meantime, things are going on 
like chapter 22, "The Dead in
Space"
and you talk about fiction,
modern fiction and the effects
that it's had on society.
>>Yeah. We are
taught or programmed through
pop culture, through these
entertaining films like the
Star Wars films 
through Star Trek, which I was
a huge fan of in my younger
years. But also through science
fiction. I loved the
hard science fiction of guys
like Asimov and Heinlein. Larry
Niven was my
favorite author. Read
everything I could get my hands
on by those guys and was
convinced by the time I got into high school
that there was no way to
reconcile science fiction
with the Bible. I now know that
that just isn't
true, there's actually a pretty
active body of science fiction,
Christian science fiction
authors out there, of which my
wife is one. 
But--so a couple of years ago
Tom Horn sent Sharon and
me and Josh Peck from Skywatch
TV down to Roswell for the 70th
anniversary
festival, the UFO festival
there that commemorates the
crash
of something around the fourth
of July in 1947. 
I guess it was '47. 
And we found that it really
wasn't
a gathering of people
interested in finding out
whether we were visited by
extraterrestrials. 
It was a group of people
searching for the answers to
the big questions
of life. Questions hat have
puzzled men and women since the 
beginning of history. Where did
we come from, why are we here,
what happens to us when
we die? And so Josh and I wrote
a book called "The Day the
Earth Stands Still" 
which is a play on the title of
the famous 1950 movie with
Michael Rennie, 
"The Day the Earth Stood Still"
and we found that this is really
a spiritual quest. People were
interested in figuring out 
the UFO phenomenon. Which is
real, it's just not what they
think it is. 
They are looking for answers
that we have between the covers
of the Bible. >Well
if in fact the UFO is a real
phenomenon and there
are real little creatures
flying around in these things,
what's the
technology? Where are they
from, are
they physical? That is, if you
go up and rap on the surface
of it, what does it sound like?
Is it metal, is it glass, is it
some kind of a spirit being in
a spirit craft? 
And there are all these
questions. But then people
usually settle on the
extraterrestrial hypothesis. 
They are a group of people that
are sort of here
to help us. They may represent
our creators and they've come
back in these last days to help 
man over the last barricade
to get to the new world.
>>Right. And that was one of
the things that started us
down the line of research that
we pursued, both Josh and me and
Sharon preparing this book,
"Veneration". The contact
by people who believe they're
hearing from these
extraterrestrial entities 
is exclusively telepathic,
which means spiritual. 
We're supposed to believe that
these entities, that these
creatures had the technology to
cross the vast gulf of 
space between our star system
and
Zeta Reticuli or Alpha Centauri
or wherever, which poses huge
engineering problems. Setting
that aside, assuming they
could overcome those and make
it here, then we're supposed to
believe
that somehow they don't have
the means to communicate with
us in a way
that the rest of us can
perceive. They can't use a
webcam. They
can't pick up a phone and call
us. They can't send out a flare
or pulse a laser beam 
at us in Morse code. It's
always telepathic, it's
spiritual. And so we began to
look at that and realized
these messages are
contradictory. Sometimes
they're from this place,
sometimes they're from this other
place, if you go back through
the history of contact going
back to the end of World War II
and 
the Roswell incident, it began
with the nearby planets, Venus
Jupiter, Mars. Oh, well we've
begun to research them and
found that they're not really
habitable. 
Okay, Neptune. Pluto, okay
Alpha Centauri. Zeta Reticuli,
wherever. They're from places
that we can't check up and 
verify and yet again the
contactees are
all presenting messages that
can't be corroborated. 
It's a witness whose message
can't be corroborated unlike, I
will
point out, the gospel message
which had plenty of witnesses.
The risen Christ according to
Paul in 
1 Corinthians 15 appeared to
the disciples, the apostles,
but then
to Galilee where hundreds of
brothers saw him and as he
wrote to the church at Corinth
some are asleep, but many are
still awake. In other words if
you don't believe my
testimony go ask around. That's
not the case in the UFO
phenomenon. >In a way you're
saying this is an anti-gospel.
>>It is an
anti-gospel because the
message, as you pointed out, is
always about
humanity evolving to the next
stage in our spiritual
evolution. The Bible
tells us about that in 1
Corinthians 15 where at the
last trump we will not
all sleep but we shall all be
raised into incorruptible
bodies. So as we
traced the history of this
belief that
the gods of the ancient world
this is almost taken as
received wisdom in the UFO
community now, that the gods of
the ancient world were just
astronauts who were
misidentified. Distant ancestors
2,000, 5,000 years ago, didn't
realize that Enlil and
Enki and Inanna were just space
travelers
so they called them gods. That
belief really stems from occult
teachings that
began with the likes of Emanuel
Swedenborg in the
17th century, developed further
by occultists like Helena
Blavatsky and 
Aleister Crowley in the late
19th, early 20th century, 
>And Jack Parsons. >>Jack
Parsons who was a devotee of
Crowley
and there were others who have
taken-- >And by the way Jack
Parsons
was an engineer. Brilliant
engineer. >>Yes. The founder of
Jet Propulsion 
Labs, JPL. >JPL. >>But their
work, 
their teachings, Thelema of
Crowley, theosophy of Blavatsky,
was used by a very influential 
horror fiction author in the
1920's and 1930's by the name
of H.P. Lovecraft, Howard
Phillips Lovecraft
who wasn't well-known during
his lifetime, but over the
last century his work has
become profoundly
influential in ways he couldn't
have anticipated. He believed
himself to be an atheist, 
but his work was propagated
during World War II, sent 
out in pulp magazines to GI's
on the frontlines to get their
minds off of what they were
doing. Fell into the hands of
some French publishers, 
and science fiction fans. A
couple of fellas named Pauwels
and Bergier published
a French science-fiction
magazine called "Planet" and
they
translated Lovecraft's fiction
into
French and it became very
popular in France. A common
theme was that Earth was at the
mercy of these 
old gods who had traveled here
from elsewhere in the cosmos
from outer space and they were
either traveling and
awake right now or they were
sleeping but would awake when
the stars were right 
and woe unto mankind when they
did. And his
fiction inspired Pauwels and
Bergier to write a book that
I've learned that
you've read, "Morning of the
Magicians" about 1960. 
That book inspired copies
because that always 
happens when you come up with a
movie franchise that's popular
write a book that's popular,
there will be people who try to
copy it for their own
purposes. And a hotel manager
in Switzerland did just 
that. And wrote a book called
"Chariots of the Gods" Erich
von Däniken, and that book
has become the largest-selling
book of 
archeology in history, more
than 60 million copies sold
worldwide, 
translated into dozens of
languages. >And it might be
retitled "UFOs Are
Our Friends". >>Exactly. >They
have come back to help us, they
have come
back to boost us over the last
barricade as 
I mentioned a minute ago, that
this is an imaginary barricade
to get to 
a greater society. >>So the
bottom line is that these
spirits who were the spirit
guides
of Helena Blavatsky, people
that she believed that she was
hearing
from somewhere near the star
Sirius, the spirit guides of
Aleister Crowley
who gave him his holy texts
that became his
occult, books of occult magic.
>And at the same time, if I can
interrupt, I'm thinking as
you're talking. I've got a whole
narrative going on over here
that's different from yours.
Mine is
all the UFO sightings that 
occurred starting back in
1947-48 and moving up to the 
present, formed a kind of a
parallel to science fiction.
>>Yes. >Sci-fi
and the UFO phenomenon sort of
grew alongside each other. 
>>Well it's true and as you
pointed out prior to this
program that
these entities have revealed
themselves to us in ways that
are culturally
relevant. The earliest
starships or spaceships 
or unidentified flying objects
were not described as flying
saucers
the famous Kenneth Arnold
sighting in 1947 described them
as moving like saucers skipped
across the water, but a
newspaper
headline writer took that and
said, 'flying saucers' and
suddenly
the UFO sightings around the
world were of this disc-shaped
craft that looked like flying
saucers. >And one of the most
popular
toys of the '50's and '60's was
the frisbee. >>Sure. 
>And it was >>Flying saucer!
>flying saucer. And it actually
looked
like a flying saucer, had
little windows around, the
first ones did, and
it sort of promulgated the
flying saucer mythology
among the kids. >>Right. >I was
well aware
of that. >>Yes. And today it's
manifest in the culture through
one of the most 
popular long-running series on
cable television which is
"Ancient Aliens"
and that all grew out of this 
repackaging of the occult
teachings of Blavatsky and
Crowley through the
horror fiction of Lovecraft
into "Chariots of the Gods" by
von Däniken,
and the teachings of Zecharia
Sitchin, who believed that the
gods of ancient Sumer
the Anunnaki, were just
visitors from another planet
called Nibiru.
Again, that's all been
repackaged and sold to us today 
and it's sort of taken as a
given among the UFO community
that the old gods were just
astronauts from other worlds. 
>"Veneration"--we're about
halfway through with our time,
where does the time go?
"Veneration" is all about the
old gods, and as they are
described in history and in the
Bible, and as you get to the
end of this book it brings us
right up to the present and it
talks
about the incredible 
sci-fi propaganda machine
in which we are immersed daily,
24/7. Television, 
radio, movies, anywhere you
have communication. >>Longest
running science fiction
television series in history,
"Stargate SG-1" is all
about the old gods being space
travelers from other worlds.
>That's right, it
is. And so a generation is
being, 
if you will, propagandized and
this book will
speaks directly to that idea.
Now when I started reading the
book, I'm 
reading about the old gods in
the first
>>Amorite rituals, 
>And I come to the abode of the
gods, page 183, and I'm reading
along and I'm
learning a lot of very useful
stuff, biblically speaking. 
And then I come to the end of
the book and right here
page 227 it says "The Dead in
Space" and it starts
talking about what you and I
have been talking about and you 
bring this whole thing together
very nicely at the end. So
let's bring it 
together for our audience.
>>Well again Sharon and I
wanted to show that this is a 
topic that's not just dusty
history that would appeal to 
academics. We wanted to make
this accessible to parents 
and especially to teens and
young readers who
are looking at these subjects
and seeing what the world is
teaching them, to show them,
look. This 
is relevant to today. These are
things that they're seeing in
the
movie theaters today, on their
television screens today, video
games, stuff
that they're researching on the
Internet. Yes, these
entities have been contacting
us all along. They really don't
care. They don't have to
present a consistent message,
they don't care what we believe
as long as it's not
the one thing that's true, as
Jesus said no one comes to the
Father except through
Him. He is the way, the truth,
and the life. These other
entities don't
care if we believe that we're
venerating our ancestors and
that 
our ancestors will prepare a
place for us in the afterlife
or if we expect these visitors
from Zeta Reticuli to help us
transcend and
--in "Stargate SG-1" it was
ascension, was the goal. 
Ascend to be come one of the
masters. >Wow, and that's
exactly what I'm looking
forward to, 
ascension with Christ at the
rapture. >>Yeah. 
>But this is a counterfeit.
>>This is absolutely a
counterfeit. In fact some of
these stories are so weird it's
almost impossible to make
up but beginning in the early
'50's a CIA asset by the name
of Andrija Puharich gathered
together a group of very
wealthy people, people from
very prominent
families, very old money
families in the United States
for a series of sèances in
which they believed they were
contacted by a group of
extraterrestrials
who identified themselves as
"The Nine", and this
series of meetings with a
rotating group of participants
and some of the names, DuPont,
Astor, Forbes, Paine,
very old money families in the
United States would
hear from this group called The
Nine who said that they were
orbiting the Earth
in a craft and they were just
waiting for the time was right
to reveal themselves and save
us from destroying ourselves
through pollution or nuclear war
or what have you. If they're
really beneficial, by the way, 
why did they wait? Why are they
waiting? Why don't they just
step in and--it's because it's 
a lie, of course. But
ultimately this group as the 
came into the '70's and then
the '80's the group ultimately
included 
Gene Roddenberry who was the
creator of the "Star Trek"
franchise 
and it's not a coincidence that
one of his later 
franchises in "Star Trek" was
"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine".
He wrote a novel treatment--or
rather a
movie treatment based on these
sèances with the nine. 
Ultimately the nine identified
themselves as the creator god
of the 
Egyptian pantheon Atum and the
other principal gods of
the Egyptian pantheon. So again
we've got this connection 
where you've got very
influential people, people with
connections at very high level
of
American society and
government, gathering together
to have what they
believe were telepathic
communications with 
gods, really space travelers,
who were here to help humanity
transcend to the next
level of evolution. It's a
false 
salvation message which is
consistent in these contexts
that people who claimed they're
hearing from extraterrestrials
report. It is
anti-Christian, it is
anti-gospel. Jesus is
demoted to the standpoint of
oh, he was just another
enlightened master like
Muhammad 
like the Buddha, et cetera. 
That's how we can identify the
nature of these spirits. >Now
do you go back 
to Kirk and Spock and Scotty
and Sulu and
all those guys cruising at warp
factor five, 
through--doing good deeds and
really
bringing redemption to the
universe, that's their job. 
It's gonna be a better universe
when we get through. And
it steals the Christian message
of redemption. >>It does, and in
fact in many of these stories
you find encounters with
entities who were
god-like but again portrayed as
just space travelers
with what appear to be almost
god-like powers. The episode
titled "Who Mourns for
Adonais?" the old gods of
Greece. >Yeah, they actually
had a Greek god. >>Yes. >He was
a giant. >>Yes! And a whole
pantheon and they were just
fading away because their time
had come to pass on. But in the
later Star Trek series, "The
Next Generation" and "Deep
Space 9" you had the entity
called "Q"
played by John de Lancie, who
was a god-like
being from a god-like race.
>Let's face it, he was a god.
>>Yes. >He was a false
god exactly like the ones
condemned in our Scripture. 
So there you go. You have two
competing
lines. One very true, our
Bible. 
The other is this sci-fi mélange
that's designed to pull the
young and the
bright and the enthusiastic in
its direction
away from our resurrected
Christ. And
He's the real astronaut, if you
will. He's the guy you wanna
follow, not Kurt, not Scotty,
not any of these other guys. 
And really that's the message.
>>The UFO phenomenon
for most of those who are in
it, as I mentioned with our
experience in Roswell, New
Mexico 
as people looking for the
answers that the Bible
provides, the true
message of salvation. I've been
reading some Arthur C. Clarke
lately
and planning to dig into "2001:
The Space Odyssey" and the
followup
2010 because I'm working on
a project for next year that
involves the old Roman god
Saturn, Greek god 
Cronos and his other earlier
iterations. >You might talk
about Arthur Clarke
and just pop back, because he
was
an orbital scientist and he was
involved with our
first satellites, putting
satellites in orbit, he's a
mathematician 
engineer and he was also one
who wanted
redemption to come through
outer space. >>Right. 
"2001: A Space Odyssey", most
people have seen the film. If
they're
familiar with it at all they've
probably seen the movie rather
than read the novel but the
film 
was one of the most influential
of the last 50 years
and it showed that the stages,
the leaps
in human development were
brought by this strange alien 
monolith, the astronauts on the
moon encountered this 
monolith and suddenly they're
led to Jupiter. In the novel
it's Saturn
but Jupiter where these
monoliths are in orbit around
Jupiter and the last surviving
astronaut David Bowman becomes
a star child 
and the next stage in human
evolution. 
And that was embraced by many
viewers who saw in that more a
message
of hope, a more encouraging
message of hope
than they had been getting from
the Bible. And that really is
sadly a reflection on the way
we're
teaching the Bible. But I think
it's because for most
of us the reality, the real
existence of these entities
described in Scripture has been
drained out. 
We have not been taught in the
church that the
gods of the Canaanites and the
Babylonians and the Greeks and
the Romans were
real entities, fallen angels
who propagated demons on the
world
through the sin at Mount
Hermon, described briefly in
Genesis chapter 6
but that was understood by the
early church. The early church
knew all of this
and we can read it in their
writings. It's been drained out
of Christian theology over the
last
1500 years when we understand
that the demons are the ones
who are passing these
telepathic messages to people
who believe they're hearing
from extraterrestrials or from
their ancestors who have gone
on 
before, or spirit guides,
whatever. 
We realize that hey, we're in
the middle of a areal
supernatural 
war. We have a role to play in
it. We are part of a conflict
and a story
that is much bigger and that's
why we included the chapters
there on 
how this is relevant to the UFO
phenomenon and our understanding
of the question of
extraterrestrials. 
It is relevant to us today just
as it was in the first century. 
We just need to go back to
understanding the Bible the way
the prophets and apostles saw
it. >Yeah, the supernatural is
real but only the Bible can
unlock the secret of the
supernatural. 
There are a dozen competitors
out there, or maybe 100. 
All with their version of
telling you, 
now here's what supernatural
really means. You have
those who concentrate and those 
who mix up strange brews and
drink
them, you have a number of
different ways
of affecting the human mind and
the human soul 
and they're all in competition
with the Bible. >>When you
begin to dig
into the archeology and the
history of what the ancient
world believed
and you see how it's reflected
in Scripture, we
realize that the apostles and
the prophets took this very
seriously. 
The references to the
veneration of the dead in
Isaiah and Ezekiel 
the condemnation of the
Israelites who brought disaster
on themselves by eating
sacrifices offered to the dead
before they crossed into Canaan
to attack 
Jericho, this was
understood by the prophets and
the apostles. You don't miss
with the spirit realm. This is
why
God said 'don't consult with
necromancers. Don't consult
mediums to try to contact the
dead.' And yet that goes on all
over the world to this
day. It's very popular in
Mexico, we see the folk saint
like
Santa Muerte, Saint Death, or
Jesús Malverde who are offered
sacrifices, little offerings of
food and drink and
cigarettes in order to
intercede for
--in various things. In fact
those kind of folk saints are
very popular among the
narco-traffickers
in Mexico. But we see these in
various cultures, many of the
Asian cultures
still venerate their ancestors.
We see it in African cultures
where ancestors
have to be removed from their
tombs and re-wrapped and danced
with every several 
years, which sadly is a health
problem in some of these
countries. 
But here in the West we like to
think of ourselves as
enlightened and scientific
and yet the same practices are
manifesting with
the UFO phenomenon. In fact one
of the most prominent supporters
of disclosure movement, 
Steven Greer is actually
promoting the use
of a smart phone app to teach
people how to 
telepathically contact
entities. In other words, you
can get
a smart phone app that will
teach you how to become
demonically possessed! >Wow. 
>>It's really no different than
the ancient Amorites
summoning their ancestors for
the ritual meal once a month.
It's just now
got a scientific veneer. >By
the way,
that's pretty much what this
book is all about, opening your
consciousness
to the idea that there is a
counterfeit spirituality
out there. You need to learn
how to recognize it. In church,
by the
way, this is not taught in most
large churches. 
I, as a pastor for many many
years, integrated this sort of
teaching into my 
Bible teaching. My verse by
verse
teaching of the Bible took me
through passages that referred
to things that we read about in
"Veneration"
and I didn't stop. I didn't skip
over these things. I talked
about them, and people I think,
profited
by it. >>Well absolutely. Most
American Christians don't
believe that Satan is real, only
40%. >If you came to my church,
you would believe that Satan is
real.
for sure. >>It's hard to be
effective in the supernatural
war if you think the
enemy is make-believe. >Yeah.
Well the book is called
"Veneration: 
Unveiling the Ancient Realms of
Demonic Kings and Satan's
Battle Plan For Armageddon".
Those demonic kings
are still around. >>They are
the demons that plague the
world to this day. >And they
are preparing to 
come back, and there's going to
be an incredible battle. And
you and
I are actually going to view
it. I believe we're going to
view it from the best seats
in the house (chuckles) after
the rapture because I think
we'll
be taken out of here before the
final battle really commences.
>>Absolutely, yeah.
>By the way, you can 
have this book absolutely free
as a bonus if you
order our volume 1 and volume 2
"Watchers Weekend" October 
11-12, 2019. Many of you were
there and "Watchers Weekend"
featured amazing talks
by amazing men from everywhere.
And by the
way the great thing about a
prophecy conference
is it's encouraging. And you've
been
to many prophecy conferences,
Derek. >>Mhm. >People will come
to you just like, thank you for
doing this. We really needed to
hear
about these things. >>Yes,
absolutely. >And you do. And
for a
gift of $75, free shipping
anywhere in the United States,
you can have
volume 1, volume 2 of Watchers
Weekend which took place
October 11-12 of 2019.
And again your free bonus would
be the book that we've been
discussing this half-hour, it's
called "Veneration"
it's valuable on many, many
levels, 
but it'll open your mind to
something that needs to be
talked about. 
Derek, what can I say? Thank
you for coming. 
>>It's an honor Gary. We really
appreciate it. >May the Lord
bless you in your work. 
>>And you as well. Happy to be
a part of the new studio to see
it, this is really fantastic! 
>Well I'm glad you're here to
see this, and I hope you come
back many, many times.
>>Any time. >I'm Gary Stearman.
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