okay welcome to the integrative health
convention 2018 online interviews today
we're going to find out more about Shiatsu
and Fernando Cabo who is speaking at the
convention this October so - and oh
hello hello thank you so the integrative
health convention is an annual
convention in London featuring many
leaders in their fields of complementary
and conventional medical therapies to
help people get better through there are
various different healing practices
there's an opportunity for doctors and
therapists to meet share learn and
connect with each other we believe that
true health is holistic and that people
get better in more than just one way now
we all have so much to learn and from
each other and the Integrative Health
Convention provides a stage for this for
therapists doctors and public there are
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this series of online interviews will
help you get to know that our speakers
for our leaders in different videos of
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and out of the 36 12 for please from
over two days I'm your host dr. Toh Wong,
a GP in Devon for the last 12 years and
co-founder of Neurolinguistic
healthcare limited the organizers of the
intergrative health convention. 
Neurolinguistic healthcare provides courses
in advanced communication skills and
therapeutic techniques as well as
training and hypnosis for healthcare
providers.
Today I'm speaking to one of
our excellent speakers coming to the
2018 Integrative health convention at the
Park Plaza Victoria in London on the
weekend of the 13th and 14th of October
to share with you what he knows and to
tell us a little bit about who years and
what he does and what to expect from his
talk at the convention so this is
fernando cabo hello hello
Shiatsu massage therapist and teacher he runs
our courses in London to Train professor
professional shiatsu therapists they can
be found at ETSU
- London net and I'll put the
description down below and so Fernando
was telling me how little-known shiatsu
is where I come from I was originally
from Malaysia we know a lot more about
massage it's not massage it's almost a
way of life where many people use to get
better in their own ways from muscular
problems or just general well-being but
but that's a let's begin by perhaps
Fernando letting out the audience who
are listening know a little bit more
about yourself what I didn't cover well
basically I I became interested in she
had so many years ago I was working in a
macrobiotic place in Switzerland and I
received here sue from people who were
studying it and I loved it so much that
I decided to train and become she as a
therapist myself I finished in 2001 my
training I have been working with it
ever since I have well I have my private
practice a but as well I have worked a
in hospitals and in several projects
actually I was for six years volunteer
in pediatric dialysis in which we gave
shiatsu to the children before they were
connected to the machines my
participated as well in in a pilot
project in another hospital as she has
for fibromyalgia
to present I do a lot of work with
cancer patients mm-hmm and this is
basically okay so just for the audience
what exactly is the answer okay from the
there are several things from the
technical point of view from the purely
technical point of view shiatsu is the
application of pressure using the weight
of the body so to explain it better you
don't use at all the strength your own
strength you just use the relaxed weight
of the Holly so in that sense it is
different for the massage techniques
which you have to use at least a part of
your strength because it is based on
pressure which is applied on certain
points of the body it doesn't it is done
through clothing so you don't use any
oil or or creams from a more less a
therapeutic point of view
CSU is based on the concept of balance
in the body it is believed that health
icon changed of balance and that when
that these balance is disrupted or
disturbed somehow is when you have
disease now this balance is explained in
different ways depending on styles but
basically because it has a lot of
traditional Chinese medicines influence
the balance can be done between either
the five elements of traditional Chinese
medicine or between the meridians or or
between yin and yang you can explain it
in different ways
it can be explained both from a Western
perspective
Western medicine perspective or from an
Eastern medicine perspective in a sense
is relatively similar from a Western
perspective you can talk about balancing
the autonomic nervous system within the
sympathetic and parasympathetic systems
balancing muscles between those which
are hypertonic
hypertonic oh you can explain the same
thing with from the Eastern medicine
perspective of balancing balancing
muscles between young muscles and
muscles between different organs
according to their functions in
traditional Chinese medicine but in that
sense it is basically the same
it is holistic therapy in the sense that
it doesn't go to just one area of the
body again in that sense is a little bit
different from let's say classical
massage or sports massage which if you
have one area of tension or of injury it
just treats that area while in here too
you tend to treat most of the body
because again hey well it is holistic it
is believed certainly I believe the
whole body is connected and
if you treat the whole body that's when
you create it when you can help create
that state of health
what else could I say one I think I've
covered most of it in a sense it is
similar to classical massage in the
sense that it is based on the perception
that you get from the person so it is an
interaction it's not only it's not a
mechanical type of thing that you just
or in my opinion shouldn't be it is not
just mechanical you just give the person
I mean you are all the time feeling what
that the body that person is giving you
feedback and I don't mean verbal
feedback I mean just like through the
touch feedback that makes you adapt a
new treatment I think this is mostly
Scioscia through from my understanding
came out of Japan yes that's right a
shiatsu came from Japan a it's unique
Japanese development as far as I know
and you studied under some Japanese
instructors that's right I had a two
actually well three really the third one
was very short so to a Japanese
instructors I had others as well I mean
they were they were not the only ones
idea had Japanese structures sounds good
I I'm always curious what what brings
someone to be interested in their fear
in health feeling can you tell me how
you got interested what you do and the
story behind how you started to doing
what you do now well first I guess I
became interested in complementary
therapies when I was quite young I began
reading about it I was about 14 I come
from a small town in Spain and I first
became interested in yoga I had read a
bit about it and they will know your
teachers for courses in my town in those
days it was a different period from now
hey so I couldn't do it it was
impossible so I had just what I mean I
did a bit on my own but I wouldn't even
call it yoga nowadays what I did but I
became interested in that I became
interested in learning about rural
medicine a friend of one of my brother's
was a doctor who was he's still a doctor
he was very interested in that he was
one of the first doctors from Spain that
went to Germany to learn about
naturopathy and he told me a bit about
it and I was just interested in that in
general and then he why did I go for a
touch therapy and not others I mean
professionally I am not completely sure
I mean I always I guess I received my
first massage when I was about 24 I
really liked it on my first year too and
then a friend of mine who had been
travelling
in India was telling shiatsu my shadow
like see if I loved it and I practice it
and I guess I don't know I guess I
really like the effect I thought it
would be a good way to help others if I
could and that's why I studied it now
when I first studied it I was not sure
if I was going to work with it
but then hey when I graduated I was
offered a job doing it that lasted for a
couple of years and so one thing led to
another and I said yes and this is it
basically great I'm a I'm a full
advocate of always saying yes so you're
going to talk about in October
difference between acupressure and
shiatsu and can you tell us a little bit
more about what the talk actually is and
and what the audience will so the
delegates who come will take from it yes
okay I mean this is it is based on a
research paper I have written him I
didn't say it before but I'm quite
involved in research at present a if
this is going I've only had one abstract
published so far but this research paper
on the differences between she has an
acupressure it's going to be published
in June it's gonna be my first published
full my first full paper published full
paper and well the first thing I want to
do is precisely to explain
the differences in how to apply pressure
for me a shiatsu or good-quality shiatsu
is waste of good quality pressure when
the pressure of the therapist is good
quality the effect is much more profound
of course
I I can not prove it but from feedback
I've had from students people I've given
shiatsu to another therapist I really
believe this is the case
acupressure massage doesn't give so much
importance to this quality of of
pressure so this is the difference so I
want to show how I want to show how a
good quality pressure is not only more
effective but much nicer to receive is
not painful at all is not point D is
felt as soothing as calming in itself
just the pressure apart from the after
effect haven't received the pressure but
when the pressure is good quality it is
enjoyable it is pleasurable yes a while
sometimes this is not the case if I'm
not saying always but sometimes it's not
the case with things like I could
pressure because precisely they are
thinking almost exclusively it can be
painful because they only think about
the after effect and not during
treatment and I think both things are
important and that's what I want to show
the delegates what they can
I mean obviously in just a short
conference they cannot learn how to
apply the pressure but they can see how
it precisely when you just do it with
the relaxed weight of the body hey
pleasure pressure is much more
pleasurable than when you use your
strength
that's not be some demonstrations and of
course a I wanted to do the
demonstration and I wanted people to
practice on each other in ABS so that
they can see the difference yes of
course sorry excuse me I'm sure they'll
appeal to many of our delegates
hopefully hopefully I mean I'm sure I've
been teaching for a number of years now
and I always see it on the first on the
first day with beginners and I was told
the same thing when I began he is like
almost nobody believe that you are doing
anything by just leaning they think that
they have to push and is the opposite by
leaning you doing more it goes deeper
but is more pleasurable and by pushing
is not painful and in fact is more
shallow it doesn't go as deep and it's
counterintuitive to say it in a way yeah
but yeah and I want to demonstrate this
the brilliant fascinating so having
thought about the Integrative Health
Convention where the audience will be
made up of doctors therapists and the
public where do you see your particular
practice fitting in with integrative
health some some people will call it
holistic health well I think yet who in
itself is very therapeutic for many
conditions as I told you before for
example I have already been volunteering
in a hospital for three years
with cancer patients a we have just sent
the second revision of our research
paper and we are going to send another
one because I began without patients
that's the research paper we have just
sent now I am with inpatients and they
are very very thankful for what we do
not only answer the doctors the nurses
all they are the physiotherapists in
particular one physiotherapist is like a
fan of the work we do we are not all
share - by the way I mean I do she asked
other people to reflexology or the
people do massage so those are the three
things we we offer she asked to massage
and reflexology and the three things
integrate very well because these people
many times but for many reasons first
because they suffer from side effects of
the treatment they are receiving of the
conventional treatment if you want to
call it like that a second sometimes a I
mean to give you an example I'm not
saying this happens this happens always
I'm just saying it happened once but
there was this man who couldn't couldn't
move from the waist down and he felt a
pain in his legs and he said he not only
that he felt a lot of relief from my
shear so treatment when I treated the
whole body as always but mostly the legs
but he said that he had even tried a
oral opioids and that the oral POS he
had stopped because they didn't provide
any relief while the treatment provided
relief obviously for a short time
but at least it was more even than than
the other thing in this case sometimes
obviously it depends on how strong the
opioids are I think he just tried like
the weakest once and he only tried them
for one day so
but I'm saying that it can help it can
help you can help reduce the pain it can
help us well to lift the mood I mean
again it's only an example but there was
this lady she's still in the hospital
and she really loves the treatments she
had tried art therapy and yeah it's okay
but she was very depressed to start with
because why because her diagnosis of
cancer is something hard to take simply
and she says well at least every time I
received my shiatsu it leaves my mood
so we can help in in little ways perhaps
but important ways yeah and and
different therapies to different people
in me and we know that complementary
therapies as an adjunct to conventional
medical therapies works has a good
patient satisfaction and often it works
very well and that's what we're trying
to promote health is more than just one
thing one aspect it's more holistic I
agree I mean it is holistic the problem
I mean conventional well actually I
I think conventional medicine is
changing yeah but traditionally the
problem is that they didn't think of
health in a positive way they only
treated you when you didn't when you had
a particular disease you can see that
with fibromyalgia fibromyalgia
I don't think certainly when I was a
young man I don't think any doctor who
have even treated that
they have said the that doesn't exist or
is on your mind or things like that
and of course there is no an easy
solution to it
so I I mean that's why I think
complementary therapies should be more
integrated with conventional medicine
although as I said in conventional
medicine is changing that many many
doctors think that it's ready to that's
right
so I am asking one last question one
particular extra question that as a
therapist or years and years of
experience under your belt what do you
think in particular if I'm looking for
something personal to what you okay I
need you to do I need you to clarify
something in what I do you mean in
shiatsu or in my - oh no - to - what do
you think makes the most difference -
when you're treating someone to make
them better
what do you think it is that you do in
the answer or whatever approach that
makes the most difference well I think
he wants several things but I think I've
already answered that question I mean
one of those is how I adapt and my
pressure to the needs of not first of
that particular person in general my
pressure can be from the lightest to the
deepest and I always have to adapt it to
the person especially in the first few
sessions that first makes the treatment
painless and having the a painless
treatment I think helps helps a lot
because
but because in this queue more tense so
the I mean pressure is not only adjusted
for the person but almost for each point
that you pressing certainly for each
area but the almost for each point that
you press him it has to be adapted
depending on whether you feel that area
let's say harder softer to solve to hard
etc and I think that this is what
creates more balance in the body because
what I do is areas that are too hard i
soften them areas that I too soft I
tonify them in shear so they talk about
points or areas being too empty or too
full so what you do by adapting the
pressure is a filled empty areas empty
areas that are too full and create
balance and this is what I think is the
key to adapting to the patient and yet
to the condition of the patient and to
the condition of each area and working
on taking feedback all the time that's
right yeah it's a question of feeling
basically feeling what the patient needs
at that particular moment chief Anthony
I sounds absolutely amazing and I'd love
to it and and what you're doing
unfortunately there are so many
different talks that are at the
convention 36 different ones and I hope
this has helped the audience decide to
want to attend your talk and I'm sure
many of them will so thank you for
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