property webinar run by the University
of Technology the Faculty of Law
my name is Maxine Eavis and I'm the
associate dean for education in the hall
faculty as you can see on your screen we
have a polling that we invite you to
participate in the objective of the
polling is for us to get an
understanding of the courses within our
intellectual property suite of programs
that you would be interested in and we
will commence the formal webinar in a
minute's time thank you
thanks everyone I think that's given you
the opportunity to complete the poll and
there'll be a couple of polls will come
up during this presentation so we would
very much like you to participate so as
I said it'd be a couple of minutes ago
my name is Maxine Eavis and I am the
associate dean for education in the
Laurel faculty and I'd like to welcome
everyone to this intellectual property
webinar the webinar this evening will be
presented by Professor that is throw it
off the director of a intellectual
property program and myself but before I
begin the webinar as we do at UTS I
would like to acknowledge the
traditional owners of the land on which
UTS the Gadigal people of the Eora
nation those peoples were very much
traditional holders of knowledge and
teachers and we are privileged to be
placed on the land of the gadigal people
at a place where knowledge and
understanding is so important
we usually have these information events
at the campus and we have a beautiful
new building which will show a slide of
later on during the webinar and being
Burlington we would probably be saying
you're welcome and thank you so much for
coming out on a cold winter's night we
don't say that tonight but thank you for
putting aside the time to stay with us
for this hour to learn more about our
intellectual property courses it's
interesting isn't it at this time that
we are doing things so differently that
most of us are working remotely and that
online has become really part of our
norm but for us though intellectually
intellectual property program we have
been offering that course online for
about twenty-five years so we are really
experts in online design and online
delivery of course we've been very lucky
in the lore faculty that we have several
courses that are online the intellectual
property program being the first UTS
course that went online so we so for us
this is not unusual for the teachers in
the intellectual property
program the practitioners the guest
lecturers the guests tutors they are
very much expert at ensuring that the
quality and the state of the
intellectual property cause is indeed
some would say better than if it was a
face-to-face course one of the other
advantages of being an online program is
that we have the best of the learning
platform system so recently University
of Technology made a choice to move to
canvas is an online learning management
system and again the intellectual
property program with the first UTS
course to to go across the canvas to
transition from our former learning
platform system blackboard to move on to
canvas and both experiences the teachers
and the students with the canvas
platform has been really positive it's
been a move that has been allowed the
delivery of subjects to be very
functional very user friendly from both
the student and the teachers perspective
and a very clean crisp and feel about it
so you're coming into it to a program at
a time where you we are you are so well
placed to be learning in this online
environment there's a notice up there on
the slide about recording so please if
you do not want to be involved in the
recording email the address at the
bottom of that slide we've got another
poll in progress at the moment which is
asking again about your experience and
these questions are not just filling
time for you as a participants but
really to give us an understanding of
your background and and your interests
so my colleague Natalie is driving the
slides tonight so I will ask her to move
to the next slide please nationally in
just a moment so have the webinars go to
progress this evenings I'll do the
introduction as the associate dean
nationally as the expert program head
will give you the really
the information that you need in
relation to the course itself and then I
will complete the webinar with some
information about support and resources
I would encourage you if you have any
questions to pop them in the Q&A box we
have our fantastic experience marketing
and communications colleagues with us
this evening and they will answer as
many questions as they can
please don't worry if we don't get your
question we will contact you after the
webinar to answer that question so you
can see up on the slide the Q&A box to
put the Christians in thank you
naturally okay so welcome tonight I
integrate Maxine's welcome to this
information you know I think it's the
second one for the year I think the
first one we actually had partially
face-to-face except and then a bit of a
recording at the same time but tonight
we're going to sort of really just give
it an understanding of how our how our
course works who the people are that are
involved in a course what's expected of
you as students undertaking different
courses in and I should mention here
that the intellectual property program
involves actually four courses so we
have a master's program we have a
graduate diploma and we have two
registers difficut s-- so as as the
Maxine has already said we've had 25
years of experience in teaching this
course and for the last four views and
particularly being fully online and were
accredited with the trans-tasman
intellectual property attorneys board
and in fact was the first of the
Australian institutions to be accredited
under the new regime which started only
a couple of years ago we now have our
previous competitors on the Australian
scheme have now started join us but we
asked to a first and we think the
brightest as well so in any event that's
that's how we're progressing but we are
the only one that's totally on online
which then results in having both
Australian and New Zealand students
participating in
honestly and our courses and so that
gives a very interesting mix as well
because the New Zealand profession has
been quite different to the way the
Australian profession has operated under
under decades of different experiences
as also was mentioned we happen to be on
canvas which is a different platform to
the usual blackboard platform that UTS
has been on and continues to be on for
the time being which is a which has
allowed us to do some really innovative
things when it comes to teaching and has
allowed a greater depth of engagement
for not just the teachers but the
students as well and and enabled us to
do a lot more interesting things with
the teaching methods that we've employed
and hopefully make it a much more
invigorating experience in going through
the courses with us so we've also
organised our our courses in such a
fashion as to enable students to
fast-track as well in the sense that
before it was only two sessions that the
subjects could be undertaken in autumn
and in spring but we also in in recently
is introduced having the summer session
as being an additional one to
participate in which has been able to
actually shorten people's engagement
with the course so they can actually
progress through the the courses quickly
more quickly than before and obtain
their accreditation more quickly as well
and that will continue for the
foreseeable future so who do we have
involved in this course well this is the
the main team here of teachers for the
MIP the Graduate Diploma and the
graduate certificates you can see there
Jayne Rawlings is practicing barrister
and intellectual property specialist and
in basically is in charge of in the
trademark courses so that's the
trademark law course and the practice
course and is also a copyright expert as
well practices extensively in that space
and teaches copyright for us in addition
to that you will also probably come
across her if you start soon too
in in actual fact deal with oh just lost
my train of thought I'm terribly sorry
about that
she's also teaching in the introductory
subject which is called preparing for
intellectual property practice and that
is a subject which is basically the the
the cornerstone of commencing any any
form of study in this course in this in
other any of the courses which
established not only your understanding
of the legal system and intellectual
property rights in Australia but also
have the beginnings of understanding
your professional responsibilities
should you become a pattern I'm
trademark attorney at the end of of your
studies then you the person the center
is me so that's that's quite clear i'm i
teaching some of the subjects not all of
them i am the subject corner of many of
the practice subjects but you will see
me engaged in in subjects such as
preparing such as a global aspects of
intellectual property a
commercialization of intellectual
property and intellectual property in
traditional knowledge so some of the
more different subjects that are not
part of the accredited scheme so i
should clarify that they're more the
elective type subjects for those of you
who don't have to take all the all the
required subjects for practice
practitioner accreditation genevieve
wilkinson down the bottom there is one
of our recent PhD graduates and has
achieved the university medal for her
PhD she is the design floor expert and
also teaches occasionally and trademarks
law as well but she teaches designs law
and practice for us Ivana wright who is
also more recent PhD graduate of ours is
now engaged with the patent law subject
for us and is charging forward with
helping the innovator helping the
faculty moved towards canvas for all if
subjects so she's got the directorship
there and in that respect but she also
teaches in other areas such as
in technology law as well Miriam Tabari
is a patent attorney she has joined us
to take over all the patent practice
subjects so here we're talking about
subjects like patent systems the
drafting of patent specifications and
the interpretation and of the validity
of patent specifications Sheen has come
to us actually having had an extensive
experiences as a as a practicing patent
attorney in some of the bigger firms in
Australia but also has worked with the
university in its commercialization arm
managing all the patent portfolio for
UTS for many years before going back and
completing her JD with us and is now
teaching with us and also has gone back
to practicing as a patent attorney
part-time so you can cut and counter all
these ladies and their respective teams
so I should make it quite key that these
ladies are actually running the main
subjects that they are in charge of but
they also have a variety of other
additional teachers who are in actual
fact currently practicing right now and
assisting with both the teaching and the
marking of the various subjects that
have to be undertaken and we'll talk
about those subjects a bit later in this
presentation they all come as I said
very well established in this in this
space were regarded in there.put in the
profession in their own right
Ivana was actually a corporate lawyer
beforehand and was working for some of
the large high-tech companies in their
commercial isolation arms as well and
Genevieve Wilkinson has been a barrister
working in intellectual property as well
so moving on
well I've suspected many of you are
wanting to become a patent attorney or
patent and trademark in which the poles
seem to have indicated what is important
to note I suppose is that in recent
times we have become a profession that
is now trans-tasman as opposed to simply
being under Australian law that means
that patent and trademark attorneys
today were registered under the
trans-tasman intellectual property
attorneys board and need to be trained
therefore in both Australian and in New
Zealand law now that doesn't seem to be
the case for trademark attorneys alone
so those of you who are only studying
trademarks the trademarks wedge of
subjects to become a trademark attorney
you don't have to know the New Zealand
law however we teach it anyway as
invariably you're going to engage with
it and engage with it from across the
Tasman as it is so it's worth
understanding where the the nuances are
and the differences are between the two
systems in any event but if you're going
to be a patent attorney at the end of
all this then you need to know both and
you need to know both for both
jurisdictions so our courses cover
everything from that point of view and
that's how we've been accredited under
the TTIP a being what's important to
also be aware of is that you need to
know what what you as an individual have
completed that will be acceptable to the
TTIP a B when you're seeking your own
accreditation and as a patent or
trademark attorney so our recommendation
always is for you to when you're
starting out in this space to actually
go to their website and check out the
requirements so that you know yourself
what you need to be able to what you
need to act to achieve not to get your
accreditation in the end
so I've just mentioned that the we were
the first Australian University to
attain accreditation which enables those
who want to become patent trademark
attorneys to to practice both in
Australia and New Zealand
so here are the courses that we run so
the master of intellectual property of
course is our flagship it's 48 credit
points representing 8 separate subjects
that need to be completed and if you're
planning to be a patent attorney
it's basically prescribed what subjects
you need to complete unless of course
you happen to have done some of them in
previous institutions or have already
been registered as a patent attorney
overseas and you've checked with the
TTIP a B to see whether in fact you need
to do some additional subjects in order
to get your reer qualification into
Australia to that end we recognized
fairly early on for those that were
transferring from a different
jurisdiction to this one that doing the
full masters may not be necessary for
you in order to be able to achieve your
qualifications and simply doing some of
the subjects and then dropping out
doesn't really reflect the effort that
you've put into it so we decided to
include new programs that allow for that
executive into a shoe
hence were aware we have the graduate
certificate in intellectual property and
the Graduate Diploma in intellectual
property as you can see smaller numbers
of subjects necessary to achieve that
and tend to really reflect the fact that
the board might actually require to only
do four subjects or to only do six
subjects on to get qualified in
Australia and in the trademark space
alone we have its own graduate
certificate trademark law and practice
and that is designed for those of you
who are not interested in the pattern
side of things but really are only quite
keen to get your qualification as a
trademarks attorney and so you all you
need to do is action the greater
certificate of trademark law and
practice to achieve that as you can see
three core subjects and one option in
the IP suite of subjects which allows
you to diversify your experience and
many many students do actually take
designs law or
they take intellectual property
commercialization depending on how they
want to practice and where they want to
practice some will take copyright law as
well um but what is interesting is that
if you do take design law in practice
then it does also allow you to then
practice as the designs law attorney so
that's that's an interesting little
tidbit for you to keep in mind when
you're choosing that additional optional
subject as Maxine has mentioned you can
enjoy the flexibility of our classes as
they're online and they're 100% online
so you know and this is what is I
suppose of great benefit particularly if
you happen to be stationed overseas for
work or in a totally different time zone
you are still able to access all the
material whenever you can access it
whenever it's convenient from week to
week and occasionally we will have
webinars from for for those subjects
that perhaps further information might
need to be imparted or opportunities for
tutorial type session might occur in
those circumstances we tend to try to to
accommodate the timing of those to meet
with most overlap time zones for those
who are interested in participating but
it's obviously not necessary to do so
and more often than not you just need to
simply rely on what is available on the
canvas website that we tend to use and
that also includes the recordings of any
of those webinars that happen to have
taken place so that you don't miss out
if you can't make those webinar sessions
okay so here we have basically an
identification of those subjects that
meet the trans-tasman intellectual
property of attorneys board requirements
you can see there that your introductory
subject the very beginning preparing for
intellectual property practice covers
off on the key elements for getting
involved in this and it's really very
much designed I suppose for those of you
who don't have a legal background and
coming to this sphere through science
and engineering for example so it allows
you to have an understanding of what the
legal process is what the different
types of intellectual property exists
and also it starts to set up the stage
for understanding what your professional
conduct is going to be as you practice
in this space and so we start off with
with those is the foundations for the
rest of the course
and with the professional conduct
element you will find that many of the
practice subjects will then have a
follow on in to those particular
subjects that actually use examples of
how professional Kohner can be of
concern in a particular circumstance and
that usually is a portion of the
assessment tasks in those particular so
the ones the subjects that actually have
those components trademarks practice
patent systems drafting of patent
specifications interpretation and
validity of patent specifications and
also design law and practice the other
subjects are more the law based subjects
which established the ground rules for
all these spaces so trademarks law of
course establishes the ground rules for
trademarks practice patent law
establishes the ground rule for patent
systems drafting an interpretation and
designs law covers both the law and the
practice
components there these are all required
if you want to become a patent attorney
and if you want to simply stick to being
a trademark attorney then you just need
to worry about the first three in that
list and and of course as I said you can
choose then an additional subject to
take to complete the greater certificate
and there are other subjects that are
available in in the MIP suite suite
which we haven't listed here but the
ones that I happen to mention I teach in
as well some of those but keep in mind
that of course there are around about
fourteen to fifteen subjects in total in
in the master's program that you can
actually choose from in order to
complete
whether it's your grad certificate and
and if you decide to do the other forms
of of the courses that are available
okay I think we're onto some more
general things now that maxi might want
to address it were there to assist you
in in terms of resourcing the students
nationally even though its courses hold
online as nationally has explained it's
important message that I'd like to send
to you as online students is that the UI
has very much a student as one that
comes onto campus so we've got one more
poll coming up so please feel free to to
complete that poll the resources that we
offer to students whilst they are based
on campus they are also available in the
online environment and again because of
covert 19 some of those resources have
really expanded in order to respond to
students needs and and challenges that
students face as learners one role that
we have in the whole faculty that not
every faculty has or every long faculty
has is a director of students our
current director students is Stuart Lowe
Stewart is a barrister
is it academic in an out in our Hall
courses so the role of the director
students is really the face of the
faculty they are the person that
students can go to to have their
questions their problems their issues
triaged to give them some personal
advice or guidance we know universities
can be difficult place to navigate you
might have already found if I trying to
find information when your thing
researching causes can can be tricky and
so Stewart's role is really to be there
to guide students around questions like
should I take a leave of absence how
many subjects should I do
I've taken on take for example three
subjects a full-time student I'm finding
that load too much something's happening
in my life that I wasn't aware of was
going to happen what can I do what are
the systems and the processes in the
university that I can see out and
they'll support me still it's obviously
contactable if you're a student based in
Sydney of course you are very welcome
even though you're online to come and
use our facilities or coming to see me
to use our facilities but Stuart can
also be contacted by telephone by email
and I probably would gather that he's
having quite a few meetings at the
moment so again a very key role that you
may not need in your study but it's if
you do need something that as I said
that personal connection that will need
it now guidance that then the director
is there to assist all students the
second support that the University
provides is UTS help so UGS helps is
really being established to assist
students with their presentation their
communication those areas that need
practice possibly if you haven't studied
for a while that you need feedback on
you needs other direction particularly
start off undertaking of course and for
many of you it may be a long time since
your study so getting back into that
thinking and practicing as a student so
the higher education language
presentation support
is really the first port of call for
those generic type skills that you might
want to brush up on such as analyzing an
assessment question putting together a
presentation just giving you some
confidence and sink capacity to return
to study I invite you to go and have a
look at the helps website because they
have some fantastic again online
resources they also provide support
personal support to students that are
that are learning online then the third
main area of support that we have for
students is our Career Service
so the Croesus is located in the same
building that we are in a new building
too but they get they have programs and
services that they provide online for
example a program that they piloted last
year was a professional mentoring
program that all students can join in
and be matched up with a mentor that's a
program that's run online they have a
lot of again resources and they have a
dedicated post graduate careers
consultant that will work with
postgraduate students obviously
intellectual property students or post
graduate students and can assist with
again skills based work but also assist
in in helping you guide way through
applying for interviews feedback on
Seavey's interview practice etc again I
would invite you to have a look at their
website and seasons that they provide so
you can see that across the university
and the faculty we have several pillars
of support of course again for all
students at the University we have
student services which provides medical
financial counseling service students as
online students you can access those
services as well thank you nationally so
building two I just mentioned is our
brand new home that we moved into a
couple of weeks before we went into
remote teach
the building's you're based in Sydney or
no Sydney well is on on Broadway looking
up towards Broadway they're on on
Parramatta Road it is very much in the
middle of the campus previously we were
located done at the Haymarket we are now
arrived in the center of the hub of the
University next to the tower the tower
next to to our buildings and on the
other side of building to our building
is the UTS engineering faculty so
building two we are in the top three
floor so we're fours 14 15 and 16 floor
level 14 is a dedicated student space
that's where we have as you can see in
our something formation on this slide
where we have our loop and our trial
courts and we also there have our
student learning spaces level 14 is
dedicated to law students and there are
fairly formal and informal learning
spaces there for students so if you were
in Sydney or you're residing you see me
and you wanted to just find somewhere
that you could study away from other
distractions then you can use that space
or if you said if you're visiting Sydney
that space is available for all students
we're also very lucky in the building
that we are in that we share the
building with the library and that is a
beautiful area so if what's that you can
return to campus and the library is open
at the moment very much a social
distancing but it's got a fantastic room
that set aside just really again this
private study private study areas
there's there's a huge really write
reading room with a lot of life a lot of
inspiration for your study and building
to own building one and in the buildings
around the campus including our outdoor
space a very much designed with student
learning in mind so there's room for
individual learning so self-study
there's room for group learning and I
know this is something that nationally
would be encouraging you to do and again
we encourage all our students now other
online
is to form study groups and so if you
you aren't Sydney you've got a study
group it's a great place to come to find
space in building to to to study
together and also great facilities for
students around food coffee with well
place if you know that area of Sydney me
UTS neatly central Central Park around
Chinatown that there's some great places
to take a break from the study thank you
nationally we had a question earlier in
the QA about C so we've put up here the
information for the C's as they are in
2020 as Natalie has explained the
structure of the Masters the graduate
diploma and the gradual certificates
certificates you can see how the fees
are organized on a credit point basis
this course and indeed the majority of
postgraduate courses do not offer
Commerce supported places we do however
have fee help and there's information
there on that slide around CE help if we
have any returning UTS alumni our
students any of our graduates then you
are entitled to a 10% our fee saving so
we'd love to have you back for many
reasons and if you are a past you test
you you'll have a good understanding of
how the teaching and the student
learning the student experience works at
UTS that very much practice professional
based approach to education Thank You
Natalie also a great question in in the
Q&A tonight was interest from
participant around studying both
intellectual property and law so to have
that opportunity to practice files as an
intellectual property at the turn your
trademark attorney as well as a legal
practitioner
so you can see here on this slide that
we have put together both the
intellectual property courses without
juris doctor our juris doctor is our
postgraduate law degree it's a three
year degree full time six five and a
half six years of part-time and it is
the same design or the same outcome as
an undergraduate law degree the juris
doctor is a degree that leads to
admission to practice so students
undertake their juris doctor
they then undertake practical legal
training program which is a compulsory
requirement very practice based of
course and then can apply to be admitted
to practice through the Supreme Court of
New South Wales so for students that
once they start on to taking
intellectual property subjects really
develop a love of the law and not quite
sure they're going to be practicing both
areas which of course they're there are
practitioners and particularly the large
law firms that have an intellectual
property unit or component of their
practice and practice across both law
was relating to intellectual property
and to that of a practitioner then we've
got these combined courses so the juris
doctor intellectual property masters the
juris doctor graduated in trademark law
and practice so the advantage for
students who wish to undertake both
courses the combined courses is that the
subjects that you undertake in your
intellectual property course credited as
electives into the juris doctor course I
won't go into a lot of the detail about
the juris doctor certainly happy to
answer questions if I don't get you into
that we can get back to you on that
but the juris doctor as a law course is
a heavily prescribed course in that
approximately three-quarters of the
juris doctor our mandatory subjects
others regardless of where you studied
your all which strain or school you
would be doing the subjects such as
constitutional law criminal law contract
law and main equity trust etc
the juris doctor students have five
electives from which they can choose a
range of subjects including intellectual
property subjects students that
undertake the Masters in intellectual
property or the graduate certificate
trademarks law and practice can use the
subjects that they've done in their IP
program as their electives in the juris
doctor
that all sounds very complicated I know
and it is Tuesday evening but it would
invite you to have a look at the UTS had
but we can see the structure and the
program of all our courses the
intellectual property courses as well as
the intellectual property costs combined
with the juris doctor
so you can see what the progression
would look like as a full-time student
or as a part-time student and there's
webinars from the juris doctor and legal
studies which sits under the Juris
Doctor it's a masters and some of our
students that are thinking of the juris
doctor but not quite sure whether
they're ready for law who the study will
enroll in the legal status masters and
then accelerate oh sorry articulate into
the juris doctor thank you nationally
and and throw that back webinar is on
Thursday evening if you would like to
hear more about the juris doctor itself
or the Masters of Legal Studies please
can join us for the webinar on our
Thursday thank you nationally
information about applications for
spring padme our spring session
commences at the end of July oh no we're
still in winter that's how the
university calendar runs so you have
time still to apply for a place in any
of the courses that we've discussed
tonight but particularly in the
intellectual property suite of courses
some of you might just be beginning your
journey about studying and we are we
understand and we certainly acknowledge
that it's a big decision it's a big
decision in terms of commitment it's a
big decision in terms of your time it's
a big decision in terms of your finance
so as you can see and as natalie has
said that
we have a summer commencement and
several students in our online courses
with summer commencement or start
possibly doing one course sorry one
subject just to dip their toe in order
to give them some confidence to build up
those skills that we've talked about
preparing the intellectual property and
then moving to picking up two or
possibly three subjects and then autumn
next year or commencing on the 22nd of
February one thing I must say about
starting at UTSA regardless of which of
course you're doing we are very flexible
in terms of the status of students I
know it some universities if you're
full-time and what a good part time you
have to make an application and vice
versa but UTSA it's up to release
students how they design their their
subjects and their study of course we
have prescribed progression and that's
why I recommend that you have a look at
the handbook but if a student is doing
full-time load and then for whatever
reason wants to drop to part-time work
that's perfectly fine similarly as to
making one subject one session because
the busyness of the what they're doing
at that time they might pick up and do
the second subject so when we look at
when you look at the handbook you can
see that jump the first progression is
designed for full-time students so to be
able to do the cause in the shortest
possible time but there's also usually a
part-time progression and that's again
where the director of students comes in
to assist students in making those
decisions about progression thank you
and there's the email address for the
online application system so I think
we've got a couple of questions in the
Q&A that we want that we will get to and
if we don't get to all your questions
this evening the marketing
communications team will be in contact
with you to follow up on those all those
questions and we welcome the opportunity
to add some more for your questions we
certainly welcome the opportunity as I
said if you're not making a decision
about spring study that when we are able
to reach
that you come back to another
information session or if you again when
we return to to campus if you are in
Sydney and you order just come and have
a walk around the campus have a look at
the library and see where our faculty
easily would very much welcome you
thanks Maxine I might answer some of the
questions that have come up that are
very specific to the MIP if that's okay
yes thanks Natalie okay this one here
which says how many hours a week
commitment is recommended for each unit
well if we talk about you know being
each subject I would be saying to you
you should be spending around nine to
twelve hours a week both studying and
doing your assessment tasks within that
envelope
these are masters subjects they're
demanding they obviously require you to
do a lot of study so you can't you can't
book with the question but you have to
actually do the hard work to get to get
the results in in this space it is a
professional accreditation and it's a
serious profit of professional
accreditation so our recommendation
tends to be all up 9 to 9 to 12 hours
per week per subject during semester
does that answer your question I hope in
relation to the granting of exemptions
by the TTIP PAB if I think there's a
question here about being a trademarks
attorney in Australia New Zealand if
you've been granted some some exemptions
for those subjects and you've there are
other subjects that you need to
undertake whilst you may not necessarily
have to take prerequisites for those
particular ones we can in some instances
waive the prerequisites depending on
what you have actually achieved and it
really is very much on a
person-by-person basis depending on what
you've actually completed before we can
make that determination so it's hard to
say oh we can let you into trademarks
practice without having done our
trademarks law and our version of the
introductory preparing for intellectual
property practice but it depends on what
you have actually done at what
institution
for hand and within a certain space of
time as to whether we can then give
grant waivers to do that or whether you
will actually be still required to
undertake one or two of those subjects
in addition so just be mindful of that
Maxine I think there was a question
about sorry I went back I think there
was a question you was that further up
I've missed it now to do with the jurors
doctor I don't know if you saw that one
you're new to your immune Maxime Thank
You Nellie yes thanks for that question
I have answered it but for any of the
other participants that might be
interested the structure of the juris
doctor massive intellectual property is
that you commence the juris doctor and
then you pick up the vast of
intellectual property at the end so it's
almost like a capstone the end of your
learning you have the law and then you
had the the law and the practice of
intellectual property and I know I've
said this a few times in the webinar
this evening but I would encourage you
to have a look at out hand because it
does set out very clearly the
progression that we recommend that
students undertake in these courses
thanks nationally thanks there's another
question here which says will this
course provide job assistance or
opportunity for international students
if they have considerable intellectual
property experience well it depends what
you're planning to do it you if you're
trying if you want to actually practice
in Australia as a patent and trademark
attorney and you do have experience
overseas it depends whether you have
actually been registered overseas or not
as to what you can therefore do here and
as I said you'd have to go to the
trans-tasman
intellectual property attorneys board to
see what they're prepared to accept as
well in terms of providing job
assistance we we don't
actually provide job assistance in that
space although we are I've got good
connections with all the the the firms
that the term patent attorney firms in
in this country and on occasion they
will actually advertise directly through
us for junior staff to join them so
that's an opportunity yes and then
another question can I do a master's in
IP first if I'm new to the legal studies
without doing a JD absolutely the course
was designed for people who have known
legal background whatsoever so in the in
the past what would happen the
intellectual public profession for
patent and trademark attorneys are
effectively not lawyers many of them
came to the profession through science
and engineering only and then did
special qualifications to become happen
and trademark attorneys so there's no
actual requirement to be a lawyer in
order to be able to practice in this
space I think that's all the questions
that have been answered so I don't have
any more questions we'll close this
webinar this evening I'd like to thank
you all again as I said so for joining
us I don't mean to wish you a safe trip
home because hopefully you are all
safely at home please as my colleague
cast has put in the QA to any questions
you wish to follow up with I'd like to
thank nationally and my colleagues in
the marketing communications you know
the faculty for their pitch tonight
we wish you will and stay safe so thank
you very much everyone
and you all actually thank you
