When, uh, Tim Cook, the head of Apple, uh,
decided to come out of the
closet and to openly be gay,
he turned to you and said,
I really admire the way you
handled that aspect of your life,
and asked you for advice,
called you and asked you for
advice in the corporate world.
It is so frowned upon, there's so
few openly gay CEOs of companies,
they're so paralyzed still to this
day admitting that they're gay,
that they don't do it. And when
Tim Cook, I don't know the man,
but when he decided to come out, to me,
it was probably one of the most
important statements that could be made.
He's a remarkable guy. And, um, and
I think you're, look, you're right.
He's operating, you know, a global,
I mean, we all know, you know,
how incredible Apple is. Uh,
but he's operating, you know,
this global business with a
global impact and, you know,
in all countries. And so, you know,
there was a lot of things to think
through and, and uh, I, you know,
I'm sure it was a, I
mean, I know, you know,
it's obviously a difficult thing when
somebody is in a, in a position like that.
Do you think he was calling you to say,
do you think this is wise if I do it or
was he looking for specifics on like,
how do I do this? What's the
classiest, best way I can do this?
What was he looking for
in that conversation?
I think he knew what he wanted to
do. He just, and he had done it.
He had looked at how he wanted to do
it and how other people had done it.
And I think he sort of
liked the approach I took,
which was to write something and
to kind of explain stuff and,
um, not make it a try to make it
a, you know, it's not, you know,
looking to be on the cover of a
magazine um, you just want to get your,
you know,
say something and explain why you haven't
said something and why you are saying
something and sort of, you
know, add your voice to the,
um, to the stream of, you know, that you
hope is moving in the right direction.
