JUDY WOODRUFF: Let's look more closely now
at the president's plan on school safety,
which changes in there might be most helpful,
which are not, and what's missing.
We're going to have more views in the weeks
to come.
But, tonight, we talk to two who have looked
at past shootings closely.
Shannon Watts is the founder of Moms Demand
Action.
That group was formed soon after the tragedy
at Sandy Hook Elementary school in Connecticut.
And Katherine Newman is author of the book
"Rampage: The Social Roots of School Shootings."
She's a provost and a sociologist at the University
of Massachusetts.
And welcome both of you to the "NewsHour."
Shannon Watts, let me start with you.
I'm going to get to the specifics in just
a moment.
But taking this proposal as a whole, do you
think it will prevent, help prevent school
shootings in the future?
®MD-BO¯SHANNON WATTS, Founder, Moms Demand
Action for Gun Sense in America: No.
I mean, I don't think the proposal put forward
by the president is in any way helpful.
In fact, in a word, it's pathetic.
It takes all of the onus for gun safety in
this country and pushes it down to the states,
while elevating the NRA's top priorities,
like arming teachers and incentivizing the
states to do that.
Look, if arming teachers was the answer, we
wouldn't have the problem we have in this
country.
We need to disarm dangerous people, not arm
teachers.
And the reality is, even highly trained police
officers hit their targets about 18 percent
of the time.
We cannot turn volunteer teachers into sharpshooters.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And I want to ask you about
that in just a moment.
But just taking the proposal as a whole, Katherine
Newman, do you believe this is going to help
prevent future school shootings?
KATHERINE NEWMAN, University of Massachusetts:
I don't think it takes advantage of what we
really know about these shootings.
We need to focus on making sure kids come
forward with information because, they hear
lot of rumors and threats, and that when that
information is collected, we act on it.
In all of the most recent incidents, we have
seen people come forward to the FBI, and not
enough intervention was possible.
We need to focus on that.
Arming teachers really worries me, because,
as Shannon said, accuracy is a real problem,
especially when people are feeling pressured
and anxious, which they obviously would be
in such a catastrophic situation.
So I don't think that's going to help matters.
In fact, it may even attract more shooters
to schools.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, just quickly for a moment,
Shannon Watts, on this idea of arming teachers,
the White House says what they are doing is
simply working with the states to help them
train some school officials, so that they
can be in a position to stop a shooting when
it happens.
SHANNON WATTS: So, I just want to be clear,
this is not a public service announcement.
This is a very cynical marketing ploy.
The gun lobby is trying to make up a shortfall
in gun manufacturers' profits of about $100
million, or 10 percent, since Donald Trump
was elected.
Arming even a fraction of our country's 3.2
million teachers would help make up that shortfall.
So this is not a data-driven solution that
research has found will somehow stop these
shootings or save our children.
It's actually a cynical gun lobby ploy to
sell more guns.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, there are other elements
to this proposal, Katherine Newman.
As we know, they -- among other things, they
say they want to strengthen the existing criminal
background check system by requiring more
reporting than is the case right now.
How much difference could that make?
KATHERINE NEWMAN: I think that could make
a difference.
And we should applaud the positive elements
of this proposal.
We know that some people were on local radar
screens, and the information just didn't get
through to the right agents.
So I do think that that is important.
I also think we need to stick to the idea
that we raise the access to guns to 21.
The president has the capacity to be quite
persuasive on these matters when he wants
to be, and we ought to go back to that table
and make sure that happens.
JUDY WOODRUFF: What about that, Shannon Watts?
The White House says that proposal is still
on the table, but it wasn't part of what was
presented in this paper that was released
earlier.
SHANNON WATTS: Yes, really none of the data-driven
solutions that the president said he supported
last week were in the proposal.
There is no red flag law.
There is no closing the boyfriend loophole,
requiring universal background checks.
All of that somehow went out the window.
Instead, we're left with arming teachers.
So, look, this has been up to the states for
awhile.
We have been doing this in the states and
winning, both killing bad bills and supporting
good bills.
And that is where we will keep doing the work,
until we get the right Congress and president
in place to take action on these horrific
shootings in our country; 96 Americans are
shot and killed every day.
We can't not act.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Katherine Newman, how much
difference do you think it would make to raise
the age at which someone is able to buy a
long gun?
KATHERINE NEWMAN: I think it would help, because
the most immature people at the ages of 18
and 19 would have it -- it would become much
more difficult for them to gain access to
guns.
But we should remember that's not really sufficient.
In the shootings that we studied, these young
people stole guns that were legally acquired.
So, raising the gun age all by itself is not
enough, but it's part of a mix.
And, as Shannon said, in the end, it's going
to be a mix if we really want to have effective
legislation.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, speaking of the mix,
Shannon Watts, another element of this, the
president is establishing a federal commission
on school safety.
He's asking the secretary of education, Betsy
DeVos, to head it up.
They are going to study this entire issue
for a year, come back with recommendations.
Isn't it -- is it possible that some good
ideas could come out of that?
SHANNON WATTS: Well, the president himself
made the fun of commissions, the exact same
kind of commissions on Saturday in Pennsylvania,
and then turned around the next day and announced
the new commission to study something that
Florida was able to pass in less than a week.
Raising the age that 18-year-olds can buy
long guns to 21 is common sense.
If you can't buy a handgun or a beer or even
rent a car, you shouldn't be able to buy a
semiautomatic rifle.
The reason the president took that out of
his plan is because the NRA opposes it.
It is why they turned around and sued the
state of Florida.
So, again, the $30 million that the NRA invested
in Donald Trump's campaign is clearly paying
off.
JUDY WOODRUFF: In another move, Katherine
Newman, the White House talks about what it
calls better integrating mental health, primary
care, family services programs, an effort
I think to get -- to make sure that young
people who have problems, who may be disturbed
have access, can get the treatment that they
need.
KATHERINE NEWMAN: I absolutely applaud that.
It's long overdue, and I think it's a wonderful
thing if we can really make it happen.
In most high schools around the country, we
have been cutting those kinds of resources.
We have been overburdening guidance counselors,
who have often 500 students to look after.
They can't possibly attend to those who are
in trouble and need mental health resources.
So I think that this is really a very positive
step if we can make it happen.
School shooters are the tip of a very dangerous
and disturbed iceberg.
And that iceberg is made up of millions of
kids who are suffering from depression.
If we can attend to their issues, we will
see fewer of them take these extreme steps.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, in connection with that,
Shannon Watts, the White House is talking
about urging states to pass so these called-risk
protection orders, in other words, making
it easier to take guns away from individuals
who are known to be a harm, a risk of harming
themselves or someone else.
SHANNON WATTS: Yes.
And, again, he is pushing that down to the
states.
This is a law that could be passed on a federal
level.
It allows families and police to petition
a judge to get a temporary restraining order
if someone seems to be a danger to themselves
or others.
We have passed this law so far in five states.
It could have helped in this situation in
Florida.
So this is absolutely something states should
act on, but it's also something Congress could
vote on right away.
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, bottom line, Katherine
Newman, if you were able to talk to the president
directly, talk to the members of this commission
directly, what would you say else needs to
be done to make sure to do as much as possible
to prevent school shootings?
KATHERINE NEWMAN: We need to be sure that
they support school resource officers, because
they are effective means of entrapping information
that we need in order to let responsible people
know that a threat is on the way.
We need to be sure there are responsible adults
that students trust.
We need to let students know that when they
come forward, their concerns will be acted
on confidentially, privately, but acted on
for sure, because right now I think they really
lack the confidence that that is going to
happen.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Shannon Watts, what about
you?
What would you say to them needs to be done?
SHANNON WATTS: Look, we have about the same
rates of mental illness as every other developed
nation.
Every nation is home to disgruntled teenagers.
Only America allows them to acquire an arsenal
and ammunition.
We have to address this issue, which is easy
access to guns in this country.
And the president's plan doesn't even scratch
the surface.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, we know we're going to
continue to talk about this issue as long
as it is before the American people and as
long as these kinds of school shootings take
place.
Thank you very much, Shannon Watts, Katherine
Newman.
Thank you.
SHANNON WATTS: Thank you.
KATHERINE NEWMAN: Thank you.
