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>> ś THEY SHAPE, ENLIVEN, AND   
>> ś                            
>> ś THEY SHAPE, ENLIVEN, AND   
ILLUMINATE OUR WORLD.           
>> ś THEY SHAPE, ENLIVEN, AND   
ILLUMINATE OUR WORLD.           
AND SOMETIMES, WORLDS BEYOND.   
ILLUMINATE OUR WORLD.           
AND SOMETIMES, WORLDS BEYOND.   
>> THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR MORE     
AND SOMETIMES, WORLDS BEYOND.   
>> THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR MORE     
THAN 15 MINUTES.                
>> THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR MORE     
THAN 15 MINUTES.                
WE KNOW THEIR NAMES AND FACES   
THAN 15 MINUTES.                
WE KNOW THEIR NAMES AND FACES   
MARVEL AT THEIR                 
WE KNOW THEIR NAMES AND FACES   
MARVEL AT THEIR                 
ACCOMPLISHMENTS.                
MARVEL AT THEIR                 
ACCOMPLISHMENTS.                
>> ś                            
ACCOMPLISHMENTS.                
>> ś                            
>> WONDER WHERE THEY MIGHT BE   
>> ś                            
>> WONDER WHERE THEY MIGHT BE   
>>                              
>> WONDER WHERE THEY MIGHT BE   
>>                              
>> ś                            
>>                              
>> ś                            
>> ś AND YET, THERE IS A        
>> ś                            
>> ś AND YET, THERE IS A        
DISTANCE BETWEEN US.            
>> ś AND YET, THERE IS A        
DISTANCE BETWEEN US.            
WE KNOW THEM ONLY FROM LIGHT    
DISTANCE BETWEEN US.            
WE KNOW THEM ONLY FROM LIGHT    
AND SOUND.                      
WE KNOW THEM ONLY FROM LIGHT    
AND SOUND.                      
AS PIXELS ON A SCREEN.          
AND SOUND.                      
AS PIXELS ON A SCREEN.          
INK, ON A PRINTED PAGE.         
AS PIXELS ON A SCREEN.          
INK, ON A PRINTED PAGE.         
WAVES FROM A SPEAKER.           
INK, ON A PRINTED PAGE.         
WAVES FROM A SPEAKER.           
>> UNTIL TONIGHT.               
WAVES FROM A SPEAKER.           
>> UNTIL TONIGHT.               
AND OTHERS LIKE IT.             
>> UNTIL TONIGHT.               
AND OTHERS LIKE IT.             
TONIGHT, WE SHARE THE SAME      
AND OTHERS LIKE IT.             
TONIGHT, WE SHARE THE SAME      
ROOM WITH SOMEONE KNOWN ONLY    
TONIGHT, WE SHARE THE SAME      
ROOM WITH SOMEONE KNOWN ONLY    
FROM A DISTANCE.                
ROOM WITH SOMEONE KNOWN ONLY    
FROM A DISTANCE.                
FEEL THE HUMANITY WE HAVE IN    
FROM A DISTANCE.                
FEEL THE HUMANITY WE HAVE IN    
COMMON.                         
FEEL THE HUMANITY WE HAVE IN    
COMMON.                         
AND COME TO KNOW OURSELVES      
COMMON.                         
AND COME TO KNOW OURSELVES      
AND OUR WORLD, EVEN MORE.       
AND COME TO KNOW OURSELVES      
AND OUR WORLD, EVEN MORE.       
AT THE RICHMOND FORUM.          
AND OUR WORLD, EVEN MORE.       
AT THE RICHMOND FORUM.          
>> ś                            
AT THE RICHMOND FORUM.          
>> ś                            
>> ś TONIGHT, THREE             
>> ś                            
>> ś TONIGHT, THREE             
PERSPECTIVES ON THE NATURE      
>> ś TONIGHT, THREE             
PERSPECTIVES ON THE NATURE      
AND IMAGE OF THE WORLD'S        
PERSPECTIVES ON THE NATURE      
AND IMAGE OF THE WORLD'S        
SECOND LARGEST RELIGION, ONE    
AND IMAGE OF THE WORLD'S        
SECOND LARGEST RELIGION, ONE    
VOCAL CRITIC, ONE FORMER        
SECOND LARGEST RELIGION, ONE    
VOCAL CRITIC, ONE FORMER        
EXTREMIST, ONE RESPECTED        
VOCAL CRITIC, ONE FORMER        
EXTREMIST, ONE RESPECTED        
CLERIC, AND ONE RECURRING       
EXTREMIST, ONE RESPECTED        
CLERIC, AND ONE RECURRING       
QUESTION.                       
CLERIC, AND ONE RECURRING       
QUESTION.                       
ISLAM.                          
QUESTION.                       
ISLAM.                          
A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?         
ISLAM.                          
A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?         
OR PEACE?                       
A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?         
OR PEACE?                       
>> WELCOME.                     
OR PEACE?                       
>> WELCOME.                     
>>                              
>> WELCOME.                     
>>                              
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>>                              
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> GOOD EVENING I'M JON         
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> GOOD EVENING I'M JON         
DONVAN.                         
>> GOOD EVENING I'M JON         
DONVAN.                         
IT IS ONE OF THE TIME HONORED   
DONVAN.                         
IT IS ONE OF THE TIME HONORED   
ROLES OF GOOD ETIQUETTE THAT    
IT IS ONE OF THE TIME HONORED   
ROLES OF GOOD ETIQUETTE THAT    
IN POLITE COMPANY YOU DO IN     
ROLES OF GOOD ETIQUETTE THAT    
IN POLITE COMPANY YOU DO IN     
THE DISCUSS POLITICS OR         
IN POLITE COMPANY YOU DO IN     
THE DISCUSS POLITICS OR         
RELIGION.                       
THE DISCUSS POLITICS OR         
RELIGION.                       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
RELIGION.                       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO     
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO     
BE HITTING ONE OF THOSE         
>> OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO     
BE HITTING ONE OF THOSE         
WORDS, RELIGION, TONIGHT.       
BE HITTING ONE OF THOSE         
WORDS, RELIGION, TONIGHT.       
COME TO THINK OF IT, WE MIGHT   
WORDS, RELIGION, TONIGHT.       
COME TO THINK OF IT, WE MIGHT   
GET INTO POLITICS AS WELL.      
COME TO THINK OF IT, WE MIGHT   
GET INTO POLITICS AS WELL.      
BUT IT IS THE THIRD WORD THAT   
GET INTO POLITICS AS WELL.      
BUT IT IS THE THIRD WORD THAT   
I HOPE WE ALL END UP LIVING     
BUT IT IS THE THIRD WORD THAT   
I HOPE WE ALL END UP LIVING     
UP TO HERE, POLITE, BECAUSE     
I HOPE WE ALL END UP LIVING     
UP TO HERE, POLITE, BECAUSE     
WE START OUT KNOWING THAT IT    
UP TO HERE, POLITE, BECAUSE     
WE START OUT KNOWING THAT IT    
IS A SENSITIVE THING TO BE      
WE START OUT KNOWING THAT IT    
IS A SENSITIVE THING TO BE      
EXPLORING AND ALSO WEIGHING     
IS A SENSITIVE THING TO BE      
EXPLORING AND ALSO WEIGHING     
THE PEACEFULNESS OF SOMEONE     
EXPLORING AND ALSO WEIGHING     
THE PEACEFULNESS OF SOMEONE     
ELSE'S CLOSELY-HELD RELIGIOUS   
THE PEACEFULNESS OF SOMEONE     
ELSE'S CLOSELY-HELD RELIGIOUS   
BELIEFS.                        
ELSE'S CLOSELY-HELD RELIGIOUS   
BELIEFS.                        
EVEN WHEN THE CHALLENGE MADE    
BELIEFS.                        
EVEN WHEN THE CHALLENGE MADE    
TO THOSE CLAIMS CAN ALSO BE     
EVEN WHEN THE CHALLENGE MADE    
TO THOSE CLAIMS CAN ALSO BE     
MADE IN GOOD FAITH.             
TO THOSE CLAIMS CAN ALSO BE     
MADE IN GOOD FAITH.             
SO WE JUST WANT TO SAY AT THE   
MADE IN GOOD FAITH.             
SO WE JUST WANT TO SAY AT THE   
START OF THIS, THAT ALL FOUR    
SO WE JUST WANT TO SAY AT THE   
START OF THIS, THAT ALL FOUR    
OF US ON THIS STAGE ARE         
START OF THIS, THAT ALL FOUR    
OF US ON THIS STAGE ARE         
COMMITTED TO KEEPING THIS       
OF US ON THIS STAGE ARE         
COMMITTED TO KEEPING THIS       
CONVERSATION CIVIL AND          
COMMITTED TO KEEPING THIS       
CONVERSATION CIVIL AND          
APPROPRIATE AND FAIR MINDED     
CONVERSATION CIVIL AND          
APPROPRIATE AND FAIR MINDED     
AND POLITE.                     
APPROPRIATE AND FAIR MINDED     
AND POLITE.                     
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE HOPE     
AND POLITE.                     
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE HOPE     
TO SHED LIGHT ON THE            
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE HOPE     
TO SHED LIGHT ON THE            
QUESTION.                       
TO SHED LIGHT ON THE            
QUESTION.                       
>> ALL THREE --                 
QUESTION.                       
>> ALL THREE --                 
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> ALL THREE --                 
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS   
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS   
WILL TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES    
>> ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS   
WILL TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES    
EACH IN TURN TO ANSWER THE      
WILL TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES    
EACH IN TURN TO ANSWER THE      
OPENING QUESTION, THE           
EACH IN TURN TO ANSWER THE      
OPENING QUESTION, THE           
QUESTION BEFORE US, WHETHER     
OPENING QUESTION, THE           
QUESTION BEFORE US, WHETHER     
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF          
QUESTION BEFORE US, WHETHER     
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF          
VIOLENCE OR OF PEACE.           
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF          
VIOLENCE OR OF PEACE.           
THEY WILL GO IN TURN, AND       
VIOLENCE OR OF PEACE.           
THEY WILL GO IN TURN, AND       
THEY WILL EACH COME TO THIS     
THEY WILL GO IN TURN, AND       
THEY WILL EACH COME TO THIS     
LECTERN, ONE AT A TIME, AND     
THEY WILL EACH COME TO THIS     
LECTERN, ONE AT A TIME, AND     
WE WILL BEGIN FIRST WITH        
LECTERN, ONE AT A TIME, AND     
WE WILL BEGIN FIRST WITH        
AAYAN HIRSI ALI, BORN AND       
WE WILL BEGIN FIRST WITH        
AAYAN HIRSI ALI, BORN AND       
PHASED A MUSLIM.                
AAYAN HIRSI ALI, BORN AND       
PHASED A MUSLIM.                
AS AN ADULT SHE WALKED AWAY     
PHASED A MUSLIM.                
AS AN ADULT SHE WALKED AWAY     
FROM THAT FAITH AND ALL         
AS AN ADULT SHE WALKED AWAY     
FROM THAT FAITH AND ALL         
FAITHS, DECLARING HERSELF AN    
FROM THAT FAITH AND ALL         
FAITHS, DECLARING HERSELF AN    
ATHEIST, OFFENDED IN            
FAITHS, DECLARING HERSELF AN    
ATHEIST, OFFENDED IN            
PARTICULAR WITH THE TREATMENT   
ATHEIST, OFFENDED IN            
PARTICULAR WITH THE TREATMENT   
SHE HAS SEEN OF GIRLS AND       
PARTICULAR WITH THE TREATMENT   
SHE HAS SEEN OF GIRLS AND       
WOMEN IN SOME MUSLIM            
SHE HAS SEEN OF GIRLS AND       
WOMEN IN SOME MUSLIM            
COUNTRIES.                      
WOMEN IN SOME MUSLIM            
COUNTRIES.                      
SHE HAS BECOME AS OUTSPOKEN A   
COUNTRIES.                      
SHE HAS BECOME AS OUTSPOKEN A   
CRITIC OF ISLAM AS THERE IS     
SHE HAS BECOME AS OUTSPOKEN A   
CRITIC OF ISLAM AS THERE IS     
ANYWHERE.                       
CRITIC OF ISLAM AS THERE IS     
ANYWHERE.                       
DEATH THREATS STALK HER AS A    
ANYWHERE.                       
DEATH THREATS STALK HER AS A    
RESULT OF THAT.                 
DEATH THREATS STALK HER AS A    
RESULT OF THAT.                 
WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY NOW ON      
RESULT OF THAT.                 
WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY NOW ON      
THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS       
WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY NOW ON      
THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS       
ISLAM IS RELIGION OF VIOLENCE   
THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS       
ISLAM IS RELIGION OF VIOLENCE   
OR PEACE, LET'S HEAR HER        
ISLAM IS RELIGION OF VIOLENCE   
OR PEACE, LET'S HEAR HER        
ANSWER.                         
OR PEACE, LET'S HEAR HER        
ANSWER.                         
WELCOME TO THE LECTERN.         
ANSWER.                         
WELCOME TO THE LECTERN.         
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
WELCOME TO THE LECTERN.         
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN.   
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN.   
MY FATHER, THE MAN              
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN.   
MY FATHER, THE MAN              
RESPONSIBLE FOR MY EDUCATION,   
MY FATHER, THE MAN              
RESPONSIBLE FOR MY EDUCATION,   
TAUGHT ME THAT ISLAM, QUIETLY   
RESPONSIBLE FOR MY EDUCATION,   
TAUGHT ME THAT ISLAM, QUIETLY   
UNDERSTOOD, IS A RELIGION OF    
TAUGHT ME THAT ISLAM, QUIETLY   
UNDERSTOOD, IS A RELIGION OF    
PHILOSOPHY OF PEACE.            
UNDERSTOOD, IS A RELIGION OF    
PHILOSOPHY OF PEACE.            
IN FACT, HE SAID THAT FOR ANY   
PHILOSOPHY OF PEACE.            
IN FACT, HE SAID THAT FOR ANY   
SOCIETY TO BE PEACEFUL AND      
IN FACT, HE SAID THAT FOR ANY   
SOCIETY TO BE PEACEFUL AND      
PROSPEROUS, IT HAD TO           
SOCIETY TO BE PEACEFUL AND      
PROSPEROUS, IT HAD TO           
INSTITUTE THE RULE OF GOD OR    
PROSPEROUS, IT HAD TO           
INSTITUTE THE RULE OF GOD OR    
SHARIA.                         
INSTITUTE THE RULE OF GOD OR    
SHARIA.                         
I CAME TO BE WITH MY FATHER.    
SHARIA.                         
I CAME TO BE WITH MY FATHER.    
IT WAS A GRADUAL PROCESS WHEN   
I CAME TO BE WITH MY FATHER.    
IT WAS A GRADUAL PROCESS WHEN   
I ENTERED AND LIVED IN          
IT WAS A GRADUAL PROCESS WHEN   
I ENTERED AND LIVED IN          
SOCIETIES SUCH AS THE           
I ENTERED AND LIVED IN          
SOCIETIES SUCH AS THE           
NETHERLANDS AND THE UNITED      
SOCIETIES SUCH AS THE           
NETHERLANDS AND THE UNITED      
STATES THAT APPLIED MAN-MADE    
NETHERLANDS AND THE UNITED      
STATES THAT APPLIED MAN-MADE    
CONSTITUTIONS AND LAWS.         
STATES THAT APPLIED MAN-MADE    
CONSTITUTIONS AND LAWS.         
BOTH COUNTRIES ARE PEACEFUL     
CONSTITUTIONS AND LAWS.         
BOTH COUNTRIES ARE PEACEFUL     
AND PROSPEROUS.                 
BOTH COUNTRIES ARE PEACEFUL     
AND PROSPEROUS.                 
I NOW DISAGREED WITH MY         
AND PROSPEROUS.                 
I NOW DISAGREED WITH MY         
FATHER THAT ISLAM WAS A         
I NOW DISAGREED WITH MY         
FATHER THAT ISLAM WAS A         
RELIGION OF PEACE.              
FATHER THAT ISLAM WAS A         
RELIGION OF PEACE.              
WHEN I LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF    
RELIGION OF PEACE.              
WHEN I LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF    
SECURITY THAT IS DEPLORED       
WHEN I LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF    
SECURITY THAT IS DEPLORED       
TONIGHT, HERE.                  
SECURITY THAT IS DEPLORED       
TONIGHT, HERE.                  
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
TONIGHT, HERE.                  
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THE AMOUNT OF SECURITY       
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THE AMOUNT OF SECURITY       
THAT IS DEPLOYED FOR THE        
>> THE AMOUNT OF SECURITY       
THAT IS DEPLOYED FOR THE        
RICHMOND MARATHON.              
THAT IS DEPLOYED FOR THE        
RICHMOND MARATHON.              
SIX MONTHS AGO, THE BOSTON      
RICHMOND MARATHON.              
SIX MONTHS AGO, THE BOSTON      
MARATHON WAS BOMBED BY TWO      
SIX MONTHS AGO, THE BOSTON      
MARATHON WAS BOMBED BY TWO      
BROTHERS WHO INVOKED THE        
MARATHON WAS BOMBED BY TWO      
BROTHERS WHO INVOKED THE        
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND THE      
BROTHERS WHO INVOKED THE        
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND THE      
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM.       
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND THE      
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM.       
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM.       
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
WHEN I LOOK AT THE WANTON       
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
WHEN I LOOK AT THE WANTON       
KILLING OF THE WESTGATE MALL    
WHEN I LOOK AT THE WANTON       
KILLING OF THE WESTGATE MALL    
IN NAIROBI, FIVE SOMALI MEN,    
KILLING OF THE WESTGATE MALL    
IN NAIROBI, FIVE SOMALI MEN,    
INVOKING ALLAH AND MOHAMMED     
IN NAIROBI, FIVE SOMALI MEN,    
INVOKING ALLAH AND MOHAMMED     
TO JUSTIFY THEIR HOR ID ACT.    
INVOKING ALLAH AND MOHAMMED     
TO JUSTIFY THEIR HOR ID ACT.    
KENYA IS THE MOST HOSPITABLE    
TO JUSTIFY THEIR HOR ID ACT.    
KENYA IS THE MOST HOSPITABLE    
COUNTRY TO SOMALIS FLEEING      
KENYA IS THE MOST HOSPITABLE    
COUNTRY TO SOMALIS FLEEING      
THEIR OWN COUNTRY, SO IT        
COUNTRY TO SOMALIS FLEEING      
THEIR OWN COUNTRY, SO IT        
DISTRESSES ME EVEN MORE.        
THEIR OWN COUNTRY, SO IT        
DISTRESSES ME EVEN MORE.        
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
DISTRESSES ME EVEN MORE.        
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT       
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT       
THIS WEEK OF 30 MEN AND WOMEN   
WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT       
THIS WEEK OF 30 MEN AND WOMEN   
WORSHIPING IN IRAQ WHO ARE      
THIS WEEK OF 30 MEN AND WOMEN   
WORSHIPING IN IRAQ WHO ARE      
KILLED BY A SUICIDE BOMBER,     
WORSHIPING IN IRAQ WHO ARE      
KILLED BY A SUICIDE BOMBER,     
INVOKING THE VERY SAME GOD      
KILLED BY A SUICIDE BOMBER,     
INVOKING THE VERY SAME GOD      
AND THE VERY SAME PROPHET       
INVOKING THE VERY SAME GOD      
AND THE VERY SAME PROPHET       
THAT THEY INVOKE.               
AND THE VERY SAME PROPHET       
THAT THEY INVOKE.               
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER,      
THAT THEY INVOKE.               
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER,      
WHEN HE SAYS THAT ISLAM IS A    
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER,      
WHEN HE SAYS THAT ISLAM IS A    
RELIGION OF PEACE.              
WHEN HE SAYS THAT ISLAM IS A    
RELIGION OF PEACE.              
WHEN I LOOK AT THE 120,000      
RELIGION OF PEACE.              
WHEN I LOOK AT THE 120,000      
DEAD IN SYRIA.                  
WHEN I LOOK AT THE 120,000      
DEAD IN SYRIA.                  
SYRIA IS NOW A STATE OF A       
DEAD IN SYRIA.                  
SYRIA IS NOW A STATE OF A       
PROXY WAR BETWEEN ISLAM'S TWO   
SYRIA IS NOW A STATE OF A       
PROXY WAR BETWEEN ISLAM'S TWO   
MOST IMPORTANT AND MOST         
PROXY WAR BETWEEN ISLAM'S TWO   
MOST IMPORTANT AND MOST         
INFLUENTIAL NATIONS, THE        
MOST IMPORTANT AND MOST         
INFLUENTIAL NATIONS, THE        
SUNNI KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA   
INFLUENTIAL NATIONS, THE        
SUNNI KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA   
AND THE SHIITE ISLAMIC          
SUNNI KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA   
AND THE SHIITE ISLAMIC          
REPUBLIC OF IRAN.               
AND THE SHIITE ISLAMIC          
REPUBLIC OF IRAN.               
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
REPUBLIC OF IRAN.               
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF     
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF     
PEACE WHEN I READ ABOUT THE     
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF     
PEACE WHEN I READ ABOUT THE     
ALMOST DAILY REPORTS OF THE     
PEACE WHEN I READ ABOUT THE     
ALMOST DAILY REPORTS OF THE     
DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES, THE    
ALMOST DAILY REPORTS OF THE     
DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES, THE    
PILLAGING OF CHRISTIAN          
DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES, THE    
PILLAGING OF CHRISTIAN          
PROPERTY, THE RAPE OF           
PILLAGING OF CHRISTIAN          
PROPERTY, THE RAPE OF           
CHRISTIAN WOMEN, THE TERRIBLE   
PROPERTY, THE RAPE OF           
CHRISTIAN WOMEN, THE TERRIBLE   
EXODUS OF CHRISTIANS AND        
CHRISTIAN WOMEN, THE TERRIBLE   
EXODUS OF CHRISTIANS AND        
OTHER RELIGIOUS MINORITIES      
EXODUS OF CHRISTIANS AND        
OTHER RELIGIOUS MINORITIES      
FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES.          
OTHER RELIGIOUS MINORITIES      
FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES.          
ALL THIS IS DONE BY MEN WHO     
FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES.          
ALL THIS IS DONE BY MEN WHO     
INVOKE THE FOUNDING FATHER      
ALL THIS IS DONE BY MEN WHO     
INVOKE THE FOUNDING FATHER      
AND FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF       
INVOKE THE FOUNDING FATHER      
AND FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF       
ISLAM.                          
AND FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF       
ISLAM.                          
I DISAGREE WITH MY DEAR,        
ISLAM.                          
I DISAGREE WITH MY DEAR,        
BELOVED FATHER, WHEN I READ     
I DISAGREE WITH MY DEAR,        
BELOVED FATHER, WHEN I READ     
ABOUT THE TONIGHT AGE GIRL --   
BELOVED FATHER, WHEN I READ     
ABOUT THE TONIGHT AGE GIRL --   
THE TEENAGE GIRL IN PAKISTAN    
ABOUT THE TONIGHT AGE GIRL --   
THE TEENAGE GIRL IN PAKISTAN    
WHO IS SHOT, POINT BLANK IN     
THE TEENAGE GIRL IN PAKISTAN    
WHO IS SHOT, POINT BLANK IN     
THE HEAD, BY A MAN INVOKING     
WHO IS SHOT, POINT BLANK IN     
THE HEAD, BY A MAN INVOKING     
ALLAH AND MOHAMMED BECAUSE      
THE HEAD, BY A MAN INVOKING     
ALLAH AND MOHAMMED BECAUSE      
SHE WANTED EDUCATION.           
ALLAH AND MOHAMMED BECAUSE      
SHE WANTED EDUCATION.           
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND        
SHE WANTED EDUCATION.           
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND        
MOHAMMED, WOMEN ARE FORBIDDEN   
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND        
MOHAMMED, WOMEN ARE FORBIDDEN   
TO DRIVE, THEY ARE FORBIDDEN    
MOHAMMED, WOMEN ARE FORBIDDEN   
TO DRIVE, THEY ARE FORBIDDEN    
TO OWN THEIR OWN REPRODUCTIVE   
TO DRIVE, THEY ARE FORBIDDEN    
TO OWN THEIR OWN REPRODUCTIVE   
RIGHTS.                         
TO OWN THEIR OWN REPRODUCTIVE   
RIGHTS.                         
THEY ARE FORBIDDEN TO DO        
RIGHTS.                         
THEY ARE FORBIDDEN TO DO        
ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HAVE       
THEY ARE FORBIDDEN TO DO        
ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HAVE       
PERMISSION FROM A MALE          
ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HAVE       
PERMISSION FROM A MALE          
GUARDIAN.                       
PERMISSION FROM A MALE          
GUARDIAN.                       
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
GUARDIAN.                       
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF     
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER       
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF     
PEACE, WHEN I READ THESE        
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF     
PEACE, WHEN I READ THESE        
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND I        
PEACE, WHEN I READ THESE        
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND I        
STUDY THE HISTORY AND THE       
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND I        
STUDY THE HISTORY AND THE       
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET          
STUDY THE HISTORY AND THE       
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET          
MOHAMMED.                       
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET          
MOHAMMED.                       
IN THERE, I FIND AN             
MOHAMMED.                       
IN THERE, I FIND AN             
INSISTENCE OF WAR AND           
IN THERE, I FIND AN             
INSISTENCE OF WAR AND           
INTOLERANCE TOWARDS             
INSISTENCE OF WAR AND           
INTOLERANCE TOWARDS             
INFEDERALELS, THE HYPOCRITES,   
INTOLERANCE TOWARDS             
INFEDERALELS, THE HYPOCRITES,   
THOSE WHO ASSOCIATE GOD WITH    
INFEDERALELS, THE HYPOCRITES,   
THOSE WHO ASSOCIATE GOD WITH    
OTHERS, HOMOSEXUALS, WOMEN,     
THOSE WHO ASSOCIATE GOD WITH    
OTHERS, HOMOSEXUALS, WOMEN,     
AND SO ON.                      
OTHERS, HOMOSEXUALS, WOMEN,     
AND SO ON.                      
WHAT ISLAM MEANS IS NOT THE     
AND SO ON.                      
WHAT ISLAM MEANS IS NOT THE     
DENIAL OF THESE OVERWHELMING    
WHAT ISLAM MEANS IS NOT THE     
DENIAL OF THESE OVERWHELMING    
AND COMPELLING FACTS.           
DENIAL OF THESE OVERWHELMING    
AND COMPELLING FACTS.           
ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION.      
AND COMPELLING FACTS.           
ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION.      
MUSLIM LEADERS WHO ARE          
ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION.      
MUSLIM LEADERS WHO ARE          
SERIOUS ABOUT ACHIEVING TRUE    
MUSLIM LEADERS WHO ARE          
SERIOUS ABOUT ACHIEVING TRUE    
AND ENDURING PEACE NEED TO      
SERIOUS ABOUT ACHIEVING TRUE    
AND ENDURING PEACE NEED TO      
REVISE THE CURAN AND HADITH     
AND ENDURING PEACE NEED TO      
REVISE THE CURAN AND HADITH     
SO THAT THERE IS A              
REVISE THE CURAN AND HADITH     
SO THAT THERE IS A              
CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT THE    
SO THAT THERE IS A              
CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT THE    
PEACE LOVING MUSLIMS WANT AND   
CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT THE    
PEACE LOVING MUSLIMS WANT AND   
WHAT THEIR RELIGION SAYS.       
PEACE LOVING MUSLIMS WANT AND   
WHAT THEIR RELIGION SAYS.       
WE ARE NOW IN AMERICA.          
WHAT THEIR RELIGION SAYS.       
WE ARE NOW IN AMERICA.          
IMAM FEISAL ABDUL RAUF LIKES    
WE ARE NOW IN AMERICA.          
IMAM FEISAL ABDUL RAUF LIKES    
TO COMPARE THE CONSTITUTION     
IMAM FEISAL ABDUL RAUF LIKES    
TO COMPARE THE CONSTITUTION     
TO SHARIA LAW.                  
TO COMPARE THE CONSTITUTION     
TO SHARIA LAW.                  
THE CONSTITUTION IS ONLY 225    
TO SHARIA LAW.                  
THE CONSTITUTION IS ONLY 225    
YEARS OLD, AND IT HAD BEEN      
THE CONSTITUTION IS ONLY 225    
YEARS OLD, AND IT HAD BEEN      
AMENDED 27 TIMES.               
YEARS OLD, AND IT HAD BEEN      
AMENDED 27 TIMES.               
THE CURAN IS AT LEAST 1200      
AMENDED 27 TIMES.               
THE CURAN IS AT LEAST 1200      
YEARS OLD.                      
THE CURAN IS AT LEAST 1200      
YEARS OLD.                      
IT HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED ONCE.   
YEARS OLD.                      
IT HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED ONCE.   
WHAT A SHAME.                   
IT HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED ONCE.   
WHAT A SHAME.                   
IT IS URGENT AND IMPERATIVE     
WHAT A SHAME.                   
IT IS URGENT AND IMPERATIVE     
TO STOP THESE AMENDMENTS --     
IT IS URGENT AND IMPERATIVE     
TO STOP THESE AMENDMENTS --     
TO START THESE AMENDMENTS.      
TO STOP THESE AMENDMENTS --     
TO START THESE AMENDMENTS.      
IT'S TIME TO INNOVATE,          
TO START THESE AMENDMENTS.      
IT'S TIME TO INNOVATE,          
INNOVATE, INNOVATE, AND I       
IT'S TIME TO INNOVATE,          
INNOVATE, INNOVATE, AND I       
WILL DO, LADIES AND             
INNOVATE, INNOVATE, AND I       
WILL DO, LADIES AND             
GENTLEMEN, WHAT I CAN DO TO     
WILL DO, LADIES AND             
GENTLEMEN, WHAT I CAN DO TO     
HELP.                           
GENTLEMEN, WHAT I CAN DO TO     
HELP.                           
THANK YOU.                      
HELP.                           
THANK YOU.                      
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
THANK YOU.                      
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>>                              
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>>                              
>> MAAJID NAWAZ, A MUSLIM, A    
>>                              
>> MAAJID NAWAZ, A MUSLIM, A    
BRITISH SUBJECT, HE EMBRACED    
>> MAAJID NAWAZ, A MUSLIM, A    
BRITISH SUBJECT, HE EMBRACED    
A RADICAL ISLAM AS TEENAGER     
BRITISH SUBJECT, HE EMBRACED    
A RADICAL ISLAM AS TEENAGER     
AND SIGNED UP FOR THE JAHAD,    
A RADICAL ISLAM AS TEENAGER     
AND SIGNED UP FOR THE JAHAD,    
JOINING A RADICAL MOVEMENT      
AND SIGNED UP FOR THE JAHAD,    
JOINING A RADICAL MOVEMENT      
WHICH LED TO HIS ARREST AND     
JOINING A RADICAL MOVEMENT      
WHICH LED TO HIS ARREST AND     
IMPRISONMENT IN EGYPT AND IT    
WHICH LED TO HIS ARREST AND     
IMPRISONMENT IN EGYPT AND IT    
WAS WHILE HE WAS THERE BEHIND   
IMPRISONMENT IN EGYPT AND IT    
WAS WHILE HE WAS THERE BEHIND   
BARS THAT HE UNDERWENT A        
WAS WHILE HE WAS THERE BEHIND   
BARS THAT HE UNDERWENT A        
CONVERSION.                     
BARS THAT HE UNDERWENT A        
CONVERSION.                     
HE CAME OUT OF PRISON,          
CONVERSION.                     
HE CAME OUT OF PRISON,          
COMMITTED TO PEACE, BUT HE      
HE CAME OUT OF PRISON,          
COMMITTED TO PEACE, BUT HE      
CAME OUT OF PRISON, STILL A     
COMMITTED TO PEACE, BUT HE      
CAME OUT OF PRISON, STILL A     
PRACTICING, BELIEVING,          
CAME OUT OF PRISON, STILL A     
PRACTICING, BELIEVING,          
MUSLIM.                         
PRACTICING, BELIEVING,          
MUSLIM.                         
HIS JOURNEY COVERS THE FULL     
MUSLIM.                         
HIS JOURNEY COVERS THE FULL     
RANGE OF THE QUESTION BEFORE    
HIS JOURNEY COVERS THE FULL     
RANGE OF THE QUESTION BEFORE    
US THIS EVENING, IS ISLAM A     
RANGE OF THE QUESTION BEFORE    
US THIS EVENING, IS ISLAM A     
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE OR         
US THIS EVENING, IS ISLAM A     
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE OR         
PEACE.                          
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE OR         
PEACE.                          
THE ANSWER AS PROVIDED TO US    
PEACE.                          
THE ANSWER AS PROVIDED TO US    
BY MAAJID NAWAZ.                
THE ANSWER AS PROVIDED TO US    
BY MAAJID NAWAZ.                
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
BY MAAJID NAWAZ.                
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THANK YOU.                   
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THANK YOU.                   
I SPEAK TO YOU TODAY HERE AS    
>> THANK YOU.                   
I SPEAK TO YOU TODAY HERE AS    
SOMEBODY WHO'S COME FROM THE    
I SPEAK TO YOU TODAY HERE AS    
SOMEBODY WHO'S COME FROM THE    
TRENCHES.                       
SOMEBODY WHO'S COME FROM THE    
TRENCHES.                       
AS SOMEBODY FROM THE AGE OF     
TRENCHES.                       
AS SOMEBODY FROM THE AGE OF     
16 YEARS OLD, ONWARDS, WAS      
AS SOMEBODY FROM THE AGE OF     
16 YEARS OLD, ONWARDS, WAS      
DEDICATED TO A VISION THAT      
16 YEARS OLD, ONWARDS, WAS      
DEDICATED TO A VISION THAT      
ISLAM WAS, INDEED, A RELIGION   
DEDICATED TO A VISION THAT      
ISLAM WAS, INDEED, A RELIGION   
OF WAR AND VIOLENCE.            
ISLAM WAS, INDEED, A RELIGION   
OF WAR AND VIOLENCE.            
AS SOMEBODY WHO TOOK THAT       
OF WAR AND VIOLENCE.            
AS SOMEBODY WHO TOOK THAT       
MESSAGE AND SPREAD IT TO        
AS SOMEBODY WHO TOOK THAT       
MESSAGE AND SPREAD IT TO        
OTHER COUNTRIES, FOR THE        
MESSAGE AND SPREAD IT TO        
OTHER COUNTRIES, FOR THE        
PURPOSE OF CREATING             
OTHER COUNTRIES, FOR THE        
PURPOSE OF CREATING             
REVOLUTION, FOR WHAT I NOW      
PURPOSE OF CREATING             
REVOLUTION, FOR WHAT I NOW      
REFER TO AS MY ISLAMIST         
REVOLUTION, FOR WHAT I NOW      
REFER TO AS MY ISLAMIST         
IDEOLOGY, TO BRING IT TO        
REFER TO AS MY ISLAMIST         
IDEOLOGY, TO BRING IT TO        
POWER, TO CONQUER THE REST OF   
IDEOLOGY, TO BRING IT TO        
POWER, TO CONQUER THE REST OF   
THE WORLD.                      
POWER, TO CONQUER THE REST OF   
THE WORLD.                      
FROM THOSE TRENCHES, I          
THE WORLD.                      
FROM THOSE TRENCHES, I          
WITNESSED TORTURE IN THE        
FROM THOSE TRENCHES, I          
WITNESSED TORTURE IN THE        
PRISONS OF EGYPT.               
WITNESSED TORTURE IN THE        
PRISONS OF EGYPT.               
THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, I         
PRISONS OF EGYPT.               
THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, I         
DEDICATED MYSELF TO STUDYING    
THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, I         
DEDICATED MYSELF TO STUDYING    
FURTHER THIS IDEOLOGY WITH      
DEDICATED MYSELF TO STUDYING    
FURTHER THIS IDEOLOGY WITH      
THE INITIAL INTENTION THAT I    
FURTHER THIS IDEOLOGY WITH      
THE INITIAL INTENTION THAT I    
COULD BECOME AN EVEN MORE       
THE INITIAL INTENTION THAT I    
COULD BECOME AN EVEN MORE       
POTENT RECRUITER FOR THAT       
COULD BECOME AN EVEN MORE       
POTENT RECRUITER FOR THAT       
CAUSE.                          
POTENT RECRUITER FOR THAT       
CAUSE.                          
I BECAME FLUENT IN THE ARABIC   
CAUSE.                          
I BECAME FLUENT IN THE ARABIC   
LANGUAGE AND BEGAN STUDYING     
I BECAME FLUENT IN THE ARABIC   
LANGUAGE AND BEGAN STUDYING     
FROM THE ORIGINAL SOURCES OF    
LANGUAGE AND BEGAN STUDYING     
FROM THE ORIGINAL SOURCES OF    
ISLAM.                          
FROM THE ORIGINAL SOURCES OF    
ISLAM.                          
AND THE ONE THING THAT STRUCK   
ISLAM.                          
AND THE ONE THING THAT STRUCK   
ME, THAT FORCED ME TO           
AND THE ONE THING THAT STRUCK   
ME, THAT FORCED ME TO           
RECONSIDER MY POSITION, TO      
ME, THAT FORCED ME TO           
RECONSIDER MY POSITION, TO      
CHANGE MY MIND FOR A CAUSE I    
RECONSIDER MY POSITION, TO      
CHANGE MY MIND FOR A CAUSE I    
WAS PREPARED TO DIE FOR, WAS    
CHANGE MY MIND FOR A CAUSE I    
WAS PREPARED TO DIE FOR, WAS    
I LEARNED FROM STUDYING THE     
WAS PREPARED TO DIE FOR, WAS    
I LEARNED FROM STUDYING THE     
ORIGINAL SOURCES OF ISLAM       
I LEARNED FROM STUDYING THE     
ORIGINAL SOURCES OF ISLAM       
THAT IDEAS AND DISPUTE THAT     
ORIGINAL SOURCES OF ISLAM       
THAT IDEAS AND DISPUTE THAT     
IS WE WERE PREPARED TO          
THAT IDEAS AND DISPUTE THAT     
IS WE WERE PREPARED TO          
OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS FOR HAD   
IS WE WERE PREPARED TO          
OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS FOR HAD   
TRADITIONALLY BEEN DEBATED      
OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS FOR HAD   
TRADITIONALLY BEEN DEBATED      
THROUGH THE PAGES OF BOOKS,     
TRADITIONALLY BEEN DEBATED      
THROUGH THE PAGES OF BOOKS,     
BETWEEN THE THEOLOGIANS         
THROUGH THE PAGES OF BOOKS,     
BETWEEN THE THEOLOGIANS         
THEMSELVES, OVER CUPS OF TEA.   
BETWEEN THE THEOLOGIANS         
THEMSELVES, OVER CUPS OF TEA.   
UPON MY RELEASE FROM PRISON,    
THEMSELVES, OVER CUPS OF TEA.   
UPON MY RELEASE FROM PRISON,    
IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME     
UPON MY RELEASE FROM PRISON,    
IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME     
TO SUSTAIN MY POSITION WITHIN   
IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME     
TO SUSTAIN MY POSITION WITHIN   
THE LEADERSHIP OF THE ISLAM     
TO SUSTAIN MY POSITION WITHIN   
THE LEADERSHIP OF THE ISLAM     
ORGANIZATION THAT I JOINED.     
THE LEADERSHIP OF THE ISLAM     
ORGANIZATION THAT I JOINED.     
I WANT TO CORRECT MY            
ORGANIZATION THAT I JOINED.     
I WANT TO CORRECT MY            
INTRODUCTION BY SAYING ONE      
I WANT TO CORRECT MY            
INTRODUCTION BY SAYING ONE      
THING.                          
INTRODUCTION BY SAYING ONE      
THING.                          
I AM NOT A DEVOUT MUSLIM.       
THING.                          
I AM NOT A DEVOUT MUSLIM.       
I MAKE NO PRETENSE TO BE A      
I AM NOT A DEVOUT MUSLIM.       
I MAKE NO PRETENSE TO BE A      
RELIGIOUS LEADER.               
I MAKE NO PRETENSE TO BE A      
RELIGIOUS LEADER.               
IN FACT I NEVER WAS.            
RELIGIOUS LEADER.               
IN FACT I NEVER WAS.            
MY CONVERSION TO ISLAMISM WAS   
IN FACT I NEVER WAS.            
MY CONVERSION TO ISLAMISM WAS   
A POLITICAL REVOLUTION WITH     
MY CONVERSION TO ISLAMISM WAS   
A POLITICAL REVOLUTION WITH     
RELIGIOUS CONNOTATIONS, IT      
A POLITICAL REVOLUTION WITH     
RELIGIOUS CONNOTATIONS, IT      
WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS             
RELIGIOUS CONNOTATIONS, IT      
WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS             
REVOLUTION WITH POLITICAL       
WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS             
REVOLUTION WITH POLITICAL       
CONNOTATIONS.                   
REVOLUTION WITH POLITICAL       
CONNOTATIONS.                   
I DON'T HOLD MYSELF OUT TO BE   
CONNOTATIONS.                   
I DON'T HOLD MYSELF OUT TO BE   
DEVOUT, BUT I DO MAINTAIN       
I DON'T HOLD MYSELF OUT TO BE   
DEVOUT, BUT I DO MAINTAIN       
THAT I REMAIN A MUSLIM AND      
DEVOUT, BUT I DO MAINTAIN       
THAT I REMAIN A MUSLIM AND      
WHEN I SPEAK AND WHEN I         
THAT I REMAIN A MUSLIM AND      
WHEN I SPEAK AND WHEN I         
DISCUSS, I SPEAK POLITICALLY,   
WHEN I SPEAK AND WHEN I         
DISCUSS, I SPEAK POLITICALLY,   
IDEOLOGICALLY, AND I'M STILL    
DISCUSS, I SPEAK POLITICALLY,   
IDEOLOGICALLY, AND I'M STILL    
IN THE TRENCHES.                
IDEOLOGICALLY, AND I'M STILL    
IN THE TRENCHES.                
I FREQUENT PAKISTAN.            
IN THE TRENCHES.                
I FREQUENT PAKISTAN.            
IN FACT, AAYAN MENTIONED        
I FREQUENT PAKISTAN.            
IN FACT, AAYAN MENTIONED        
MALALA, THE YOUNG GIRL SHOT     
IN FACT, AAYAN MENTIONED        
MALALA, THE YOUNG GIRL SHOT     
IN THE HEAD BY THE TALIBAN.     
MALALA, THE YOUNG GIRL SHOT     
IN THE HEAD BY THE TALIBAN.     
WITHIN THAT VERY MONTH I WAS    
IN THE HEAD BY THE TALIBAN.     
WITHIN THAT VERY MONTH I WAS    
THERE IN HER CITY IN MING       
WITHIN THAT VERY MONTH I WAS    
THERE IN HER CITY IN MING       
ORA, ORGANIZING A PUBLIC        
THERE IN HER CITY IN MING       
ORA, ORGANIZING A PUBLIC        
DEBATE TO DISCUSS THE ROOT      
ORA, ORGANIZING A PUBLIC        
DEBATE TO DISCUSS THE ROOT      
CAUSES OF EXTREMISM.            
DEBATE TO DISCUSS THE ROOT      
CAUSES OF EXTREMISM.            
IN DEFIANCE OF THE TALIBAN,     
CAUSES OF EXTREMISM.            
IN DEFIANCE OF THE TALIBAN,     
BECAUSE THE CONCLUSION I CAME   
IN DEFIANCE OF THE TALIBAN,     
BECAUSE THE CONCLUSION I CAME   
TO THROUGH MY STUDIES IN        
BECAUSE THE CONCLUSION I CAME   
TO THROUGH MY STUDIES IN        
PRISON WAS ONE CONCLUSION,      
TO THROUGH MY STUDIES IN        
PRISON WAS ONE CONCLUSION,      
AND THAT IS ISLAM IS NOT A      
PRISON WAS ONE CONCLUSION,      
AND THAT IS ISLAM IS NOT A      
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE, BUT IT    
AND THAT IS ISLAM IS NOT A      
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE, BUT IT    
IS ALSO NOT A RELIGION OF       
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE, BUT IT    
IS ALSO NOT A RELIGION OF       
PEACE, AND IN SAYING THIS, I    
IS ALSO NOT A RELIGION OF       
PEACE, AND IN SAYING THIS, I    
SIT BETWEEN MY TWO              
PEACE, AND IN SAYING THIS, I    
SIT BETWEEN MY TWO              
COPANELISTS HERE.               
SIT BETWEEN MY TWO              
COPANELISTS HERE.               
IN FACT, LADIES AND             
COPANELISTS HERE.               
IN FACT, LADIES AND             
GENTLEMEN, ISLAM IS A           
IN FACT, LADIES AND             
GENTLEMEN, ISLAM IS A           
RELIGION.                       
GENTLEMEN, ISLAM IS A           
RELIGION.                       
LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ON     
RELIGION.                       
LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ON     
THIS PLANET, FROM TIME          
LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ON     
THIS PLANET, FROM TIME          
IMMEMORIAL, IT'S BEEN           
THIS PLANET, FROM TIME          
IMMEMORIAL, IT'S BEEN           
INTERPRETED, LIKE               
IMMEMORIAL, IT'S BEEN           
INTERPRETED, LIKE               
CHRISTIANITY HAS IN THE PAST,   
INTERPRETED, LIKE               
CHRISTIANITY HAS IN THE PAST,   
TO CAUSE MUCH DEVASTATION ON    
CHRISTIANITY HAS IN THE PAST,   
TO CAUSE MUCH DEVASTATION ON    
THIS EARTH AND IT'S ALSO BEEN   
TO CAUSE MUCH DEVASTATION ON    
THIS EARTH AND IT'S ALSO BEEN   
INTERPRETED TOWARDS PEACEFUL    
THIS EARTH AND IT'S ALSO BEEN   
INTERPRETED TOWARDS PEACEFUL    
ENDS.                           
INTERPRETED TOWARDS PEACEFUL    
ENDS.                           
ISLAM IS A RELIGION.            
ENDS.                           
ISLAM IS A RELIGION.            
SO THE QUESTION IS NEXT HOW     
ISLAM IS A RELIGION.            
SO THE QUESTION IS NEXT HOW     
DO WE DEFINE THIS RELIGION IF   
SO THE QUESTION IS NEXT HOW     
DO WE DEFINE THIS RELIGION IF   
ESSENTIALLY IT'S NOT ONE OF     
DO WE DEFINE THIS RELIGION IF   
ESSENTIALLY IT'S NOT ONE OF     
PEACE OR VIOLENCE?              
ESSENTIALLY IT'S NOT ONE OF     
PEACE OR VIOLENCE?              
IT'S BY THE MAJORITY OF         
PEACE OR VIOLENCE?              
IT'S BY THE MAJORITY OF         
MUSLIMS WHO INTERPRET IT        
IT'S BY THE MAJORITY OF         
MUSLIMS WHO INTERPRET IT        
TODAY.                          
MUSLIMS WHO INTERPRET IT        
TODAY.                          
THIS POSES TWO PARTICULARLY     
TODAY.                          
THIS POSES TWO PARTICULARLY     
ACUTE CHALLENGES:  ONE, IS,     
THIS POSES TWO PARTICULARLY     
ACUTE CHALLENGES:  ONE, IS,     
YES, THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS    
ACUTE CHALLENGES:  ONE, IS,     
YES, THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS    
TODAY ARE NOT TERRORISTS.       
YES, THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS    
TODAY ARE NOT TERRORISTS.       
THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY   
TODAY ARE NOT TERRORISTS.       
THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY   
ARE NOT TERRORISTS.             
THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY   
ARE NOT TERRORISTS.             
SO ONE CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY      
ARE NOT TERRORISTS.             
SO ONE CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY      
THAT ISLAM IS NOT A LIG OFF     
SO ONE CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY      
THAT ISLAM IS NOT A LIG OFF     
OF TERRORISM IF WE'RE           
THAT ISLAM IS NOT A LIG OFF     
OF TERRORISM IF WE'RE           
DEFINING RELIGION BY ITS        
OF TERRORISM IF WE'RE           
DEFINING RELIGION BY ITS        
FOLLOWERS.                      
DEFINING RELIGION BY ITS        
FOLLOWERS.                      
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T GET US    
FOLLOWERS.                      
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T GET US    
OFF SCOTT FREE AS MUSLIMS,      
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T GET US    
OFF SCOTT FREE AS MUSLIMS,      
OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T BE DOING   
OFF SCOTT FREE AS MUSLIMS,      
OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T BE DOING   
WHAT I WOULD BE DOING TO        
OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T BE DOING   
WHAT I WOULD BE DOING TO        
CHALLENGE EXTREMISM AROUND      
WHAT I WOULD BE DOING TO        
CHALLENGE EXTREMISM AROUND      
THE WORLD, BECAUSE THE          
CHALLENGE EXTREMISM AROUND      
THE WORLD, BECAUSE THE          
MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY ARE   
THE WORLD, BECAUSE THE          
MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY ARE   
YET TO ARRIVE IN ANY FORM OF    
MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY ARE   
YET TO ARRIVE IN ANY FORM OF    
TANGIBLE, CONCRETE WAY TO       
YET TO ARRIVE IN ANY FORM OF    
TANGIBLE, CONCRETE WAY TO       
WHAT WE WOULD UNDERSTAND AS     
TANGIBLE, CONCRETE WAY TO       
WHAT WE WOULD UNDERSTAND AS     
LIBERAL, DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS     
WHAT WE WOULD UNDERSTAND AS     
LIBERAL, DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS     
OF GOVERNANCE.                  
LIBERAL, DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS     
OF GOVERNANCE.                  
AND SO THOUGH ISLAM TODAY       
OF GOVERNANCE.                  
AND SO THOUGH ISLAM TODAY       
CANNOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A       
AND SO THOUGH ISLAM TODAY       
CANNOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A       
RELIGION OF TERRORISM IT ALSO   
CANNOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A       
RELIGION OF TERRORISM IT ALSO   
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO           
RELIGION OF TERRORISM IT ALSO   
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO           
CLASSIFY ISLAM TODAY AS A       
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO           
CLASSIFY ISLAM TODAY AS A       
RELIGION OF HARMONY, OF         
CLASSIFY ISLAM TODAY AS A       
RELIGION OF HARMONY, OF         
TOLERANCE, BECAUSE OF COURSE    
RELIGION OF HARMONY, OF         
TOLERANCE, BECAUSE OF COURSE    
WE SEE AROUND THE WORLD THERE   
TOLERANCE, BECAUSE OF COURSE    
WE SEE AROUND THE WORLD THERE   
IS MUCH MAYHEM.                 
WE SEE AROUND THE WORLD THERE   
IS MUCH MAYHEM.                 
MORE MUSLIMS ARE KILLING EACH   
IS MUCH MAYHEM.                 
MORE MUSLIMS ARE KILLING EACH   
OTHER TODAY THAN ANY ONE ELSE   
MORE MUSLIMS ARE KILLING EACH   
OTHER TODAY THAN ANY ONE ELSE   
IS KILLING THEM.                
OTHER TODAY THAN ANY ONE ELSE   
IS KILLING THEM.                
MUSLIMS ARE THROWN INTO DEEP    
IS KILLING THEM.                
MUSLIMS ARE THROWN INTO DEEP    
CONFUSION.                      
MUSLIMS ARE THROWN INTO DEEP    
CONFUSION.                      
BUT IT DOESN'T HELP IN THIS     
CONFUSION.                      
BUT IT DOESN'T HELP IN THIS     
CAUSE, THIS THIS STRUGGLE,      
BUT IT DOESN'T HELP IN THIS     
CAUSE, THIS THIS STRUGGLE,      
WHICH IS ALL OF OUR STRUGGLE,   
CAUSE, THIS THIS STRUGGLE,      
WHICH IS ALL OF OUR STRUGGLE,   
TO ESSENTIALIZE ISLAM TO SAY    
WHICH IS ALL OF OUR STRUGGLE,   
TO ESSENTIALIZE ISLAM TO SAY    
IT'S A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE,    
TO ESSENTIALIZE ISLAM TO SAY    
IT'S A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE,    
TO GO TO MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN    
IT'S A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE,    
TO GO TO MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN    
AND SAY YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES,   
TO GO TO MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN    
AND SAY YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES,   
EITHER SUBSCRIBE TO THE         
AND SAY YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES,   
EITHER SUBSCRIBE TO THE         
INTERPRETATION OF YOUR          
EITHER SUBSCRIBE TO THE         
INTERPRETATION OF YOUR          
RELIGION THAT BIN LADEN HAD,    
INTERPRETATION OF YOUR          
RELIGION THAT BIN LADEN HAD,    
WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A WAR OF   
RELIGION THAT BIN LADEN HAD,    
WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A WAR OF   
RELIGION AND TERRORISM, OR      
WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A WAR OF   
RELIGION AND TERRORISM, OR      
YOU LEAVE ISLAM BECAUSE THE     
RELIGION AND TERRORISM, OR      
YOU LEAVE ISLAM BECAUSE THE     
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN EXOOS    
YOU LEAVE ISLAM BECAUSE THE     
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN EXOOS    
FILM -- EX-MUSLIM.              
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN EXOOS    
FILM -- EX-MUSLIM.              
EVEN MALALA DOES NOT MAKE       
FILM -- EX-MUSLIM.              
EVEN MALALA DOES NOT MAKE       
THIS ARGUMENT, THE GIRL WHO     
EVEN MALALA DOES NOT MAKE       
THIS ARGUMENT, THE GIRL WHO     
WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD BY THE     
THIS ARGUMENT, THE GIRL WHO     
WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD BY THE     
TALIBAN.                        
WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD BY THE     
TALIBAN.                        
IF YOU TRY TO MAKE THIS         
TALIBAN.                        
IF YOU TRY TO MAKE THIS         
ARGUMENT, I WILL ASSURE YOU     
IF YOU TRY TO MAKE THIS         
ARGUMENT, I WILL ASSURE YOU     
YOU WILL LOSE THE DEBATE.       
ARGUMENT, I WILL ASSURE YOU     
YOU WILL LOSE THE DEBATE.       
NO ONE WANTS TO BE TOLD THE     
YOU WILL LOSE THE DEBATE.       
NO ONE WANTS TO BE TOLD THE     
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN          
NO ONE WANTS TO BE TOLD THE     
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN          
APOSTATE.                       
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN          
APOSTATE.                       
THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS TO      
APOSTATE.                       
THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS TO      
SAY THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION    
THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS TO      
SAY THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION    
THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED.        
SAY THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION    
THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED.        
THAT'S FOR US TO PROMOTE THE    
THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED.        
THAT'S FOR US TO PROMOTE THE    
FACT THAT THERE ARE MUSLIMS     
THAT'S FOR US TO PROMOTE THE    
FACT THAT THERE ARE MUSLIMS     
RISKING THEIR VERY LIVES TO     
FACT THAT THERE ARE MUSLIMS     
RISKING THEIR VERY LIVES TO     
REINTERPRET THIS STATE AND      
RISKING THEIR VERY LIVES TO     
REINTERPRET THIS STATE AND      
DEMONSTRATE AND PROMOTE AND     
REINTERPRET THIS STATE AND      
DEMONSTRATE AND PROMOTE AND     
TO ENCOURAGE THOSE              
DEMONSTRATE AND PROMOTE AND     
TO ENCOURAGE THOSE              
INTERPRETATIONS THAT DO TAKE    
TO ENCOURAGE THOSE              
INTERPRETATIONS THAT DO TAKE    
A GENUINE LOOK AT SCRIPTURE     
INTERPRETATIONS THAT DO TAKE    
A GENUINE LOOK AT SCRIPTURE     
AND DO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TWO    
A GENUINE LOOK AT SCRIPTURE     
AND DO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TWO    
TWIN CHALLENGES THAT ARE        
AND DO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TWO    
TWIN CHALLENGES THAT ARE        
DOMINATING MUSLIM MAJORITY      
TWIN CHALLENGES THAT ARE        
DOMINATING MUSLIM MAJORITY      
COUNTRIES TODAY.                
DOMINATING MUSLIM MAJORITY      
COUNTRIES TODAY.                
THE FIRST, THE IDEOLOGY OF      
COUNTRIES TODAY.                
THE FIRST, THE IDEOLOGY OF      
ISLAMISM, WHICH OVERLY          
THE FIRST, THE IDEOLOGY OF      
ISLAMISM, WHICH OVERLY          
POLITICIZES THE FAITH.          
ISLAMISM, WHICH OVERLY          
POLITICIZES THE FAITH.          
ISLAMISM IS BRIEFLY DEFINED     
POLITICIZES THE FAITH.          
ISLAMISM IS BRIEFLY DEFINED     
AS THE DESIRE TO IMPOSE ANY     
ISLAMISM IS BRIEFLY DEFINED     
AS THE DESIRE TO IMPOSE ANY     
INTERPRETATION OF THE FAITH     
AS THE DESIRE TO IMPOSE ANY     
INTERPRETATION OF THE FAITH     
OVER SOCIETY.                   
INTERPRETATION OF THE FAITH     
OVER SOCIETY.                   
THERE'S THAT ONE CHALLENGE      
OVER SOCIETY.                   
THERE'S THAT ONE CHALLENGE      
THERE.                          
THERE'S THAT ONE CHALLENGE      
THERE.                          
THE OTHER CHALLENGE,            
THERE.                          
THE OTHER CHALLENGE,            
MANIFESTS ITSELF ON A SOCIAL    
THE OTHER CHALLENGE,            
MANIFESTS ITSELF ON A SOCIAL    
LEVEL AND THAT'S THE            
MANIFESTS ITSELF ON A SOCIAL    
LEVEL AND THAT'S THE            
CHALLENGE OF FUNDAMENTALISM.    
LEVEL AND THAT'S THE            
CHALLENGE OF FUNDAMENTALISM.    
NOT EVERY FUNDAMENTALIST        
CHALLENGE OF FUNDAMENTALISM.    
NOT EVERY FUNDAMENTALIST        
WANTS TO IMPOSE AND TAKE OVER   
NOT EVERY FUNDAMENTALIST        
WANTS TO IMPOSE AND TAKE OVER   
GOVERNMENTS, BUT THEY HAVE      
WANTS TO IMPOSE AND TAKE OVER   
GOVERNMENTS, BUT THEY HAVE      
VERY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE         
GOVERNMENTS, BUT THEY HAVE      
VERY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE         
SOCIAL MORES, MANIFEST          
VERY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE         
SOCIAL MORES, MANIFEST          
INDICATIONS SUCH AS FORCED      
SOCIAL MORES, MANIFEST          
INDICATIONS SUCH AS FORCED      
MARRIAGE, FEMALE GENITAL        
INDICATIONS SUCH AS FORCED      
MARRIAGE, FEMALE GENITAL        
MUTILATION, HONOR KILLINGS.     
MARRIAGE, FEMALE GENITAL        
MUTILATION, HONOR KILLINGS.     
THEY DON'T COME FROM THE        
MUTILATION, HONOR KILLINGS.     
THEY DON'T COME FROM THE        
ORGANIZED GROUPS BUT FROM       
THEY DON'T COME FROM THE        
ORGANIZED GROUPS BUT FROM       
FUNDAMENTALISTS AND THE TWO     
ORGANIZED GROUPS BUT FROM       
FUNDAMENTALISTS AND THE TWO     
CHALLENGES ARE SUFFOCATING      
FUNDAMENTALISTS AND THE TWO     
CHALLENGES ARE SUFFOCATING      
POLIT KALG AND SOCIAL DEBATE    
CHALLENGES ARE SUFFOCATING      
POLIT KALG AND SOCIAL DEBATE    
AND DISCOURSE WITHIN MUSLIM     
POLIT KALG AND SOCIAL DEBATE    
AND DISCOURSE WITHIN MUSLIM     
MAJORITY COUNTRIES.             
AND DISCOURSE WITHIN MUSLIM     
MAJORITY COUNTRIES.             
THERE IS NO LARGER CHALLENGE    
MAJORITY COUNTRIES.             
THERE IS NO LARGER CHALLENGE    
THAN TO CONFRONT THESE TWO.     
THERE IS NO LARGER CHALLENGE    
THAN TO CONFRONT THESE TWO.     
SO I ASK YOU, LADIES AND        
THAN TO CONFRONT THESE TWO.     
SO I ASK YOU, LADIES AND        
GENTLEMEN, TO CONSIDER THIS     
SO I ASK YOU, LADIES AND        
GENTLEMEN, TO CONSIDER THIS     
QUESTION, IN SUPPORTING         
GENTLEMEN, TO CONSIDER THIS     
QUESTION, IN SUPPORTING         
PEOPLE WHO ARE GENUINELY        
QUESTION, IN SUPPORTING         
PEOPLE WHO ARE GENUINELY        
ATTEMPTING TO REFORM THIS       
PEOPLE WHO ARE GENUINELY        
ATTEMPTING TO REFORM THIS       
DISCOURSE FROM WITHIN,          
ATTEMPTING TO REFORM THIS       
DISCOURSE FROM WITHIN,          
BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY     
DISCOURSE FROM WITHIN,          
BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY     
FORWARD, AND I'LL TELL THANK    
BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY     
FORWARD, AND I'LL TELL THANK    
YOU NOW.                        
FORWARD, AND I'LL TELL THANK    
YOU NOW.                        
WE MENTIONED THE REFORMATION.   
YOU NOW.                        
WE MENTIONED THE REFORMATION.   
MARTIN LUTHER.                  
WE MENTIONED THE REFORMATION.   
MARTIN LUTHER.                  
BY TODAY'S STANDARDS, WAS A     
MARTIN LUTHER.                  
BY TODAY'S STANDARDS, WAS A     
CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST.       
BY TODAY'S STANDARDS, WAS A     
CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST.       
MARTIN LUTHER, THE MAN WHO      
CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST.       
MARTIN LUTHER, THE MAN WHO      
BROKE CHRISTIANITY AWAY FROM    
MARTIN LUTHER, THE MAN WHO      
BROKE CHRISTIANITY AWAY FROM    
THE CHURCH, WAS A DEEPLY,       
BROKE CHRISTIANITY AWAY FROM    
THE CHURCH, WAS A DEEPLY,       
DEEPLY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE,      
THE CHURCH, WAS A DEEPLY,       
DEEPLY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE,      
SOME WOULD SAY DEVOUT,O         
DEEPLY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE,      
SOME WOULD SAY DEVOUT,O         
DEVOUT, MAN, BUT IF IT WASN'T   
SOME WOULD SAY DEVOUT,O         
DEVOUT, MAN, BUT IF IT WASN'T   
FROM THAT DISCOURSE WITHIN      
DEVOUT, MAN, BUT IF IT WASN'T   
FROM THAT DISCOURSE WITHIN      
CHRISTIANITY WE WOULD NOT       
FROM THAT DISCOURSE WITHIN      
CHRISTIANITY WE WOULD NOT       
HAVE HAD THE REFORMATION AND    
CHRISTIANITY WE WOULD NOT       
HAVE HAD THE REFORMATION AND    
NOT BE ENJOYING THE             
HAVE HAD THE REFORMATION AND    
NOT BE ENJOYING THE             
SECULARISM THAT ALL OF US       
NOT BE ENJOYING THE             
SECULARISM THAT ALL OF US       
FIGHT TO PROTECT TODAY.         
SECULARISM THAT ALL OF US       
FIGHT TO PROTECT TODAY.         
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.            
FIGHT TO PROTECT TODAY.         
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.            
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.            
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>> FEISAL ABDUL RAUF,           
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>> FEISAL ABDUL RAUF,           
AMERICAN.                       
>> FEISAL ABDUL RAUF,           
AMERICAN.                       
FEISAL ABDUL RAUF, MUSLIM.      
AMERICAN.                       
FEISAL ABDUL RAUF, MUSLIM.      
HAVING BOTH OF THESE            
FEISAL ABDUL RAUF, MUSLIM.      
HAVING BOTH OF THESE            
IDENTITIES AND PUTTING THEM     
HAVING BOTH OF THESE            
IDENTITIES AND PUTTING THEM     
TOGETHER AND THEN REACHING      
IDENTITIES AND PUTTING THEM     
TOGETHER AND THEN REACHING      
OUT TO AMERICANS OF OTHER       
TOGETHER AND THEN REACHING      
OUT TO AMERICANS OF OTHER       
IDENTITIES HAS BEEN PART OF     
OUT TO AMERICANS OF OTHER       
IDENTITIES HAS BEEN PART OF     
THE LIFE'S WORK OF THE IMAM     
IDENTITIES HAS BEEN PART OF     
THE LIFE'S WORK OF THE IMAM     
FROM NEW YORK CITY WHO HAS SO   
THE LIFE'S WORK OF THE IMAM     
FROM NEW YORK CITY WHO HAS SO   
OFTEN FOUND HIMSELF AS A MAN    
FROM NEW YORK CITY WHO HAS SO   
OFTEN FOUND HIMSELF AS A MAN    
CALLED UPON TO EXPLAIN ISLAM    
OFTEN FOUND HIMSELF AS A MAN    
CALLED UPON TO EXPLAIN ISLAM    
TO AMERICANS WHO ARE CURIOUS    
CALLED UPON TO EXPLAIN ISLAM    
TO AMERICANS WHO ARE CURIOUS    
ENOUGH TO ASK, TO KNOW MORE,    
TO AMERICANS WHO ARE CURIOUS    
ENOUGH TO ASK, TO KNOW MORE,    
AS WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.      
ENOUGH TO ASK, TO KNOW MORE,    
AS WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.      
IMAM FEISAL AND HIS ANSWER TO   
AS WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.      
IMAM FEISAL AND HIS ANSWER TO   
WHETHER ISLAM IS A RELIGION     
IMAM FEISAL AND HIS ANSWER TO   
WHETHER ISLAM IS A RELIGION     
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE.           
WHETHER ISLAM IS A RELIGION     
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE.           
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE.           
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND     
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND     
GENTLEMEN.                      
>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND     
GENTLEMEN.                      
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN   
GENTLEMEN.                      
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN   
THIS SPACE KNOWN AS A MOSQUE.   
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN   
THIS SPACE KNOWN AS A MOSQUE.   
ONCE KNOWN AS THE MOSQUE,       
THIS SPACE KNOWN AS A MOSQUE.   
ONCE KNOWN AS THE MOSQUE,       
AND, THEREFORE, IT IS           
ONCE KNOWN AS THE MOSQUE,       
AND, THEREFORE, IT IS           
PLEASING TO ME THAT ISLAM HAS   
AND, THEREFORE, IT IS           
PLEASING TO ME THAT ISLAM HAS   
SHAPED THIS SPACE, AT LEAST     
PLEASING TO ME THAT ISLAM HAS   
SHAPED THIS SPACE, AT LEAST     
IN THE ARCHITECTURAL SPENCE.    
SHAPED THIS SPACE, AT LEAST     
IN THE ARCHITECTURAL SPENCE.    
-- SENSE.                       
IN THE ARCHITECTURAL SPENCE.    
-- SENSE.                       
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
-- SENSE.                       
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THANK YOU.                   
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THANK YOU.                   
>> THE DISCOURSE THAT WE JUST   
>> THANK YOU.                   
>> THE DISCOURSE THAT WE JUST   
HEARD UNDERLINES WHY IT IS      
>> THE DISCOURSE THAT WE JUST   
HEARD UNDERLINES WHY IT IS      
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO   
HEARD UNDERLINES WHY IT IS      
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO   
HAVE A VERY CLEAR               
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO   
HAVE A VERY CLEAR               
UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT WE     
HAVE A VERY CLEAR               
UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT WE     
MEAN BY THE TERMS WE USE.       
UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT WE     
MEAN BY THE TERMS WE USE.       
I THINK IT IS VERY DANGEROUS    
MEAN BY THE TERMS WE USE.       
I THINK IT IS VERY DANGEROUS    
IN AN INCREASINGLY              
I THINK IT IS VERY DANGEROUS    
IN AN INCREASINGLY              
MULTICULTURAL AND INTERNET      
IN AN INCREASINGLY              
MULTICULTURAL AND INTERNET      
WORLD TO CLAIM THAT ANY         
MULTICULTURAL AND INTERNET      
WORLD TO CLAIM THAT ANY         
RELIGION BE IT ISLAM,           
WORLD TO CLAIM THAT ANY         
RELIGION BE IT ISLAM,           
CHRISTIANITY, TALIBAN           
RELIGION BE IT ISLAM,           
CHRISTIANITY, TALIBAN           
JUDAISM, BE IT HINDUISM OR      
CHRISTIANITY, TALIBAN           
JUDAISM, BE IT HINDUISM OR      
BUDDHISM, AS A RELIGION OF      
JUDAISM, BE IT HINDUISM OR      
BUDDHISM, AS A RELIGION OF      
WAR OR OF VIOLENCE.             
BUDDHISM, AS A RELIGION OF      
WAR OR OF VIOLENCE.             
>> I BELIEVE THAT EVERY         
WAR OR OF VIOLENCE.             
>> I BELIEVE THAT EVERY         
RELIGION, EVERY AUTHENTIC       
>> I BELIEVE THAT EVERY         
RELIGION, EVERY AUTHENTIC       
REVELATION FROM THE CREATOR     
RELIGION, EVERY AUTHENTIC       
REVELATION FROM THE CREATOR     
TO HUMANITY WAS ABOUT PEACE     
REVELATION FROM THE CREATOR     
TO HUMANITY WAS ABOUT PEACE     
AND ABOUT THE TWO FUNDAMENTAL   
TO HUMANITY WAS ABOUT PEACE     
AND ABOUT THE TWO FUNDAMENTAL   
COMMANDMENTS THAT ARE COMMON    
AND ABOUT THE TWO FUNDAMENTAL   
COMMANDMENTS THAT ARE COMMON    
TO ALL OF OUR FAITH             
COMMANDMENTS THAT ARE COMMON    
TO ALL OF OUR FAITH             
TRADITIONS:  TO LOVE THE        
TO ALL OF OUR FAITH             
TRADITIONS:  TO LOVE THE        
LORD, OUR GOD, OUR CREATOR,     
TRADITIONS:  TO LOVE THE        
LORD, OUR GOD, OUR CREATOR,     
WITH ALL OF OUR HEART, OUR      
LORD, OUR GOD, OUR CREATOR,     
WITH ALL OF OUR HEART, OUR      
MINDS, OUR SOULS, AND OUR       
WITH ALL OF OUR HEART, OUR      
MINDS, OUR SOULS, AND OUR       
STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE OUR       
MINDS, OUR SOULS, AND OUR       
STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE OUR       
FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AS WE       
STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE OUR       
FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AS WE       
LOVE OURSELVES.                 
FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AS WE       
LOVE OURSELVES.                 
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LOVE OURSELVES.                 
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> IN A FAMOUS TRAD, WE         
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> IN A FAMOUS TRAD, WE         
BELIEVE THAT THE ARCH ANGEL     
>> IN A FAMOUS TRAD, WE         
BELIEVE THAT THE ARCH ANGEL     
GABRIELLE CAME AND VISITED      
BELIEVE THAT THE ARCH ANGEL     
GABRIELLE CAME AND VISITED      
THE PROPHET WITH HIS            
GABRIELLE CAME AND VISITED      
THE PROPHET WITH HIS            
COMPANIONS, AND HE ASKED THE    
THE PROPHET WITH HIS            
COMPANIONS, AND HE ASKED THE    
PROPHET, WHAT IS ISLAM.         
COMPANIONS, AND HE ASKED THE    
PROPHET, WHAT IS ISLAM.         
THE PROPHET ANSWERED, ISLAM     
PROPHET, WHAT IS ISLAM.         
THE PROPHET ANSWERED, ISLAM     
IS TO BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE   
THE PROPHET ANSWERED, ISLAM     
IS TO BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE   
IS NO GOD BUT GOD.              
IS TO BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE   
IS NO GOD BUT GOD.              
AND IS THAT MOHAMMED IS HIS     
IS NO GOD BUT GOD.              
AND IS THAT MOHAMMED IS HIS     
PROPHET.                        
AND IS THAT MOHAMMED IS HIS     
PROPHET.                        
WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THE         
PROPHET.                        
WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THE         
PROPHETS WERE SENT BY GOD.      
WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THE         
PROPHETS WERE SENT BY GOD.      
TO PERFORM THE DAILY PRAYER,    
PROPHETS WERE SENT BY GOD.      
TO PERFORM THE DAILY PRAYER,    
TO GIVE CHARITY.                
TO PERFORM THE DAILY PRAYER,    
TO GIVE CHARITY.                
TO FAST.                        
TO GIVE CHARITY.                
TO FAST.                        
IN OUR CASE, TO FAST THE        
TO FAST.                        
IN OUR CASE, TO FAST THE        
MONTH OF RAMADAN.               
IN OUR CASE, TO FAST THE        
MONTH OF RAMADAN.               
AND TO PILGRIM TO MECCA,        
MONTH OF RAMADAN.               
AND TO PILGRIM TO MECCA,        
WHOEVER CAN AFFORD IT           
AND TO PILGRIM TO MECCA,        
WHOEVER CAN AFFORD IT           
PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY.     
WHOEVER CAN AFFORD IT           
PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY.     
THAT IS THE CLASSICAL           
PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY.     
THAT IS THE CLASSICAL           
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ISLAM     
THAT IS THE CLASSICAL           
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ISLAM     
IS.                             
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ISLAM     
IS.                             
MUSLIMS ARE A DIFFERENT STORY   
IS.                             
MUSLIMS ARE A DIFFERENT STORY   
CHRISTIANS ARE A DIFFERENT      
MUSLIMS ARE A DIFFERENT STORY   
CHRISTIANS ARE A DIFFERENT      
STORY.                          
CHRISTIANS ARE A DIFFERENT      
STORY.                          
BUDDHISTS ARE A DIFFERENT       
STORY.                          
BUDDHISTS ARE A DIFFERENT       
STORY.                          
BUDDHISTS ARE A DIFFERENT       
STORY.                          
WE ARE INSPIRED BY THAT.        
STORY.                          
WE ARE INSPIRED BY THAT.        
AND I AM CONVINCED THAT THE     
WE ARE INSPIRED BY THAT.        
AND I AM CONVINCED THAT THE     
PURPOSE OF ALL RELIGIONS IS     
AND I AM CONVINCED THAT THE     
PURPOSE OF ALL RELIGIONS IS     
TO BRING HUMAN BEINGS TO THE    
PURPOSE OF ALL RELIGIONS IS     
TO BRING HUMAN BEINGS TO THE    
VISION OF GOD.                  
TO BRING HUMAN BEINGS TO THE    
VISION OF GOD.                  
TO ENABLE US TO SEE GOD.        
VISION OF GOD.                  
TO ENABLE US TO SEE GOD.        
IN FACT, THE VERY FUNDAMENTAL   
TO ENABLE US TO SEE GOD.        
IN FACT, THE VERY FUNDAMENTAL   
TESTIMONY OF ISLAM IS TO        
IN FACT, THE VERY FUNDAMENTAL   
TESTIMONY OF ISLAM IS TO        
WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD    
TESTIMONY OF ISLAM IS TO        
WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD    
BUT THE ONE GOD.                
WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD    
BUT THE ONE GOD.                
AND FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE,     
BUT THE ONE GOD.                
AND FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE,     
AND EXPERIENCE OF THOSE WHO I   
AND FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE,     
AND EXPERIENCE OF THOSE WHO I   
KNOW WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH      
AND EXPERIENCE OF THOSE WHO I   
KNOW WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH      
THIS EXPERIENCE, WHEN A HUMAN   
KNOW WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH      
THIS EXPERIENCE, WHEN A HUMAN   
BEING IS TOUCHED BY THE         
THIS EXPERIENCE, WHEN A HUMAN   
BEING IS TOUCHED BY THE         
VISION OF GOD, HE OR SHE        
BEING IS TOUCHED BY THE         
VISION OF GOD, HE OR SHE        
BECOMES TOTALLY TRANSFORMED.    
VISION OF GOD, HE OR SHE        
BECOMES TOTALLY TRANSFORMED.    
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN             
BECOMES TOTALLY TRANSFORMED.    
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN             
THROUGHOUT HISTORY, IN THE      
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN             
THROUGHOUT HISTORY, IN THE      
LAST 30 YEARS, ESPECIALLY, 40   
THROUGHOUT HISTORY, IN THE      
LAST 30 YEARS, ESPECIALLY, 40   
YEARS, OF OUR COMMON HISTORY,   
LAST 30 YEARS, ESPECIALLY, 40   
YEARS, OF OUR COMMON HISTORY,   
WE HAVE SEEN IN THE CASE OF     
YEARS, OF OUR COMMON HISTORY,   
WE HAVE SEEN IN THE CASE OF     
MUSLIMS A GREAT DEAL OF         
WE HAVE SEEN IN THE CASE OF     
MUSLIMS A GREAT DEAL OF         
VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY           
MUSLIMS A GREAT DEAL OF         
VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY           
MUSLIMS, BOTH AGAINST           
VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY           
MUSLIMS, BOTH AGAINST           
NONMUSLIMS AND AGAINST THEIR    
MUSLIMS, BOTH AGAINST           
NONMUSLIMS AND AGAINST THEIR    
OWN SELVES.                     
NONMUSLIMS AND AGAINST THEIR    
OWN SELVES.                     
THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL         
OWN SELVES.                     
THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL         
TRAGEDY THAT EXISTS IN THE      
THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL         
TRAGEDY THAT EXISTS IN THE      
MUSLIM WORLD TODAY.             
TRAGEDY THAT EXISTS IN THE      
MUSLIM WORLD TODAY.             
BUT I THINK IT IS FALSE, I      
MUSLIM WORLD TODAY.             
BUT I THINK IT IS FALSE, I      
FEEL IT IS -- I'M CONVINCED     
BUT I THINK IT IS FALSE, I      
FEEL IT IS -- I'M CONVINCED     
IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF     
FEEL IT IS -- I'M CONVINCED     
IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF     
EVEN THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT       
IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF     
EVEN THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT       
RELIGION IS ABOUT, THAT WE      
EVEN THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT       
RELIGION IS ABOUT, THAT WE      
CALL ANY RELIGION VIOLENT.      
RELIGION IS ABOUT, THAT WE      
CALL ANY RELIGION VIOLENT.      
WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT.          
CALL ANY RELIGION VIOLENT.      
WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT.          
AND WE HAVE TO REFRAME THE      
WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT.          
AND WE HAVE TO REFRAME THE      
DISCOURSE.                      
AND WE HAVE TO REFRAME THE      
DISCOURSE.                      
I JUST READ A BOOK WHICH I      
DISCOURSE.                      
I JUST READ A BOOK WHICH I      
THINKEN MANY OF YOU WOULD       
I JUST READ A BOOK WHICH I      
THINKEN MANY OF YOU WOULD       
FIND INTERESTING,               
THINKEN MANY OF YOU WOULD       
FIND INTERESTING,               
CALLED-POSITIVE DEVIANCE", IN   
FIND INTERESTING,               
CALLED-POSITIVE DEVIANCE", IN   
WHICH THIS GROUP OF SCHOLARS    
CALLED-POSITIVE DEVIANCE", IN   
WHICH THIS GROUP OF SCHOLARS    
IDENTIFIED PEOPLE WHO           
WHICH THIS GROUP OF SCHOLARS    
IDENTIFIED PEOPLE WHO           
DEVIATED FROM THE NORM AND      
IDENTIFIED PEOPLE WHO           
DEVIATED FROM THE NORM AND      
HOW TO SHIFT THE NORM, AND      
DEVIATED FROM THE NORM AND      
HOW TO SHIFT THE NORM, AND      
ONE OF THE KEY LESSONS WAS      
HOW TO SHIFT THE NORM, AND      
ONE OF THE KEY LESSONS WAS      
YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THE FRAME     
ONE OF THE KEY LESSONS WAS      
YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THE FRAME     
OF THE DISCOURSE.               
YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THE FRAME     
OF THE DISCOURSE.               
THE DISCOURSE IS NOT ISLAM      
OF THE DISCOURSE.               
THE DISCOURSE IS NOT ISLAM      
VERSUS THE WEST, OR MUSLIMS     
THE DISCOURSE IS NOT ISLAM      
VERSUS THE WEST, OR MUSLIMS     
VERSUS CHRISTIANS, OR MUSLIMS   
VERSUS THE WEST, OR MUSLIMS     
VERSUS CHRISTIANS, OR MUSLIMS   
VERSUS HINDUS.                  
VERSUS CHRISTIANS, OR MUSLIMS   
VERSUS HINDUS.                  
IF WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS   
VERSUS HINDUS.                  
IF WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS   
PROBLEM, WE MUST SHIFT THE      
IF WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS   
PROBLEM, WE MUST SHIFT THE      
DISCOURSE, WITH EXTREMISTS OF   
PROBLEM, WE MUST SHIFT THE      
DISCOURSE, WITH EXTREMISTS OF   
ALL FAITHS AND TRADITIONS AND   
DISCOURSE, WITH EXTREMISTS OF   
ALL FAITHS AND TRADITIONS AND   
MODERATES OF ALL FAITH          
ALL FAITHS AND TRADITIONS AND   
MODERATES OF ALL FAITH          
TRADITIONS.                     
MODERATES OF ALL FAITH          
TRADITIONS.                     
FOR I AND MANY OF MY FELLOW     
TRADITIONS.                     
FOR I AND MANY OF MY FELLOW     
FAITH TRADITIONALISTS FROM      
FOR I AND MANY OF MY FELLOW     
FAITH TRADITIONALISTS FROM      
VARIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE FELT    
FAITH TRADITIONALISTS FROM      
VARIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE FELT    
CLOSER -- I FEEL CLOSER TO      
VARIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE FELT    
CLOSER -- I FEEL CLOSER TO      
MANY JEWISH FRIENDS,            
CLOSER -- I FEEL CLOSER TO      
MANY JEWISH FRIENDS,            
CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, ATHEIST      
MANY JEWISH FRIENDS,            
CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, ATHEIST      
FRIENDS, BUDDHIST FRIENDS,      
CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, ATHEIST      
FRIENDS, BUDDHIST FRIENDS,      
THAN I AM TO MANY OF MY         
FRIENDS, BUDDHIST FRIENDS,      
THAN I AM TO MANY OF MY         
FELLOW MUSLIMS WHOSE ATTITUDE   
THAN I AM TO MANY OF MY         
FELLOW MUSLIMS WHOSE ATTITUDE   
AND WORLD VIEW IS               
FELLOW MUSLIMS WHOSE ATTITUDE   
AND WORLD VIEW IS               
FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH MY   
AND WORLD VIEW IS               
FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH MY   
OWN.                            
FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH MY   
OWN.                            
AND SO DO MY FELLOW JEWISH      
OWN.                            
AND SO DO MY FELLOW JEWISH      
FRIENDS AND FELLOW CHRISTIAN    
AND SO DO MY FELLOW JEWISH      
FRIENDS AND FELLOW CHRISTIAN    
FRIENDS, FEEL THAT ABOUT        
FRIENDS AND FELLOW CHRISTIAN    
FRIENDS, FEEL THAT ABOUT        
THEIR OWN RELATIONSHIPS WITH    
FRIENDS, FEEL THAT ABOUT        
THEIR OWN RELATIONSHIPS WITH    
PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR FAITH       
THEIR OWN RELATIONSHIPS WITH    
PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR FAITH       
COMMUNITIES.                    
PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR FAITH       
COMMUNITIES.                    
THE VIOLENCE IN MYANMAR         
COMMUNITIES.                    
THE VIOLENCE IN MYANMAR         
AGAINST MUSLIMS TODAY IS NOT    
THE VIOLENCE IN MYANMAR         
AGAINST MUSLIMS TODAY IS NOT    
AT ALL, AND I CANNOT ACCEPT     
AGAINST MUSLIMS TODAY IS NOT    
AT ALL, AND I CANNOT ACCEPT     
IT AS BEING THE TEACHINGS OF    
AT ALL, AND I CANNOT ACCEPT     
IT AS BEING THE TEACHINGS OF    
THE BUDDHA.                     
IT AS BEING THE TEACHINGS OF    
THE BUDDHA.                     
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WHAT      
THE BUDDHA.                     
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WHAT      
CHRISTIANS DID DURING THE       
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WHAT      
CHRISTIANS DID DURING THE       
INQUISITION OR IN MANY OTHER    
CHRISTIANS DID DURING THE       
INQUISITION OR IN MANY OTHER    
COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THIS OWN   
INQUISITION OR IN MANY OTHER    
COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THIS OWN   
COUNTRY, THIS COUNTRY, THE      
COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THIS OWN   
COUNTRY, THIS COUNTRY, THE      
UNITED STATES, EXPRESSED THE    
COUNTRY, THIS COUNTRY, THE      
UNITED STATES, EXPRESSED THE    
VALUES OF THE PRINCE OF         
UNITED STATES, EXPRESSED THE    
VALUES OF THE PRINCE OF         
PEACE, JESUS CHRIST.            
VALUES OF THE PRINCE OF         
PEACE, JESUS CHRIST.            
AND, THEREFORE, WE TODAY HAVE   
PEACE, JESUS CHRIST.            
AND, THEREFORE, WE TODAY HAVE   
TO REFRAME THE DISCOURSE,       
AND, THEREFORE, WE TODAY HAVE   
TO REFRAME THE DISCOURSE,       
BECAUSE MY REFRAMING THE        
TO REFRAME THE DISCOURSE,       
BECAUSE MY REFRAMING THE        
DISCOURSE, WE CAN GAIN          
BECAUSE MY REFRAMING THE        
DISCOURSE, WE CAN GAIN          
TRACTION.                       
DISCOURSE, WE CAN GAIN          
TRACTION.                       
NOW, I LEAVE YOU WITH ONE       
TRACTION.                       
NOW, I LEAVE YOU WITH ONE       
ANALOGY.                        
NOW, I LEAVE YOU WITH ONE       
ANALOGY.                        
WE HAVE HAD A GOVERNMENT        
ANALOGY.                        
WE HAVE HAD A GOVERNMENT        
SHUTDOWN IN THE UNITED STATES   
WE HAVE HAD A GOVERNMENT        
SHUTDOWN IN THE UNITED STATES   
RECENTLY.                       
SHUTDOWN IN THE UNITED STATES   
RECENTLY.                       
YOU CAN INSIST THE DISCOURSE    
RECENTLY.                       
YOU CAN INSIST THE DISCOURSE    
IS BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS      
YOU CAN INSIST THE DISCOURSE    
IS BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS      
AND DEMOCRATS.                  
IS BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS      
AND DEMOCRATS.                  
BUT WE KNOW FROM THE WAY OUR    
AND DEMOCRATS.                  
BUT WE KNOW FROM THE WAY OUR    
GOVERNMENT WORKS THAT THE       
BUT WE KNOW FROM THE WAY OUR    
GOVERNMENT WORKS THAT THE       
MODERATES ON BOTH SIDES WHO     
GOVERNMENT WORKS THAT THE       
MODERATES ON BOTH SIDES WHO     
MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK.           
MODERATES ON BOTH SIDES WHO     
MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK.           
WE'VE HAD A SITUATION --        
MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK.           
WE'VE HAD A SITUATION --        
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
WE'VE HAD A SITUATION --        
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> -- IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE      
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> -- IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE      
OUT OF A GROUP OF 500 MEMBERS   
>> -- IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE      
OUT OF A GROUP OF 500 MEMBERS   
OF CONGRESS IN THIS HOUSE AND   
OUT OF A GROUP OF 500 MEMBERS   
OF CONGRESS IN THIS HOUSE AND   
SENATE, 50, YOU MIGHT CALL      
OF CONGRESS IN THIS HOUSE AND   
SENATE, 50, YOU MIGHT CALL      
THEM EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS,     
SENATE, 50, YOU MIGHT CALL      
THEM EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS,     
WERE ABLE TO SHUT THIS          
THEM EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS,     
WERE ABLE TO SHUT THIS          
GOVERNMENT DOWN.                
WERE ABLE TO SHUT THIS          
GOVERNMENT DOWN.                
IF WE INSIST THAT THE           
GOVERNMENT DOWN.                
IF WE INSIST THAT THE           
DISCOURSE MUST BE ONE BETWEEN   
IF WE INSIST THAT THE           
DISCOURSE MUST BE ONE BETWEEN   
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS,      
DISCOURSE MUST BE ONE BETWEEN   
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS,      
IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO        
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS,      
IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO        
SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.             
IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO        
SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.             
BUT IF WE CAN REFRAME THE       
SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.             
BUT IF WE CAN REFRAME THE       
DISCOURSE BETWEEN MODERATES     
BUT IF WE CAN REFRAME THE       
DISCOURSE BETWEEN MODERATES     
ON BOTH SIDES, AGAINST THE      
DISCOURSE BETWEEN MODERATES     
ON BOTH SIDES, AGAINST THE      
EXTREMISTS ON BOTH SIDES,       
ON BOTH SIDES, AGAINST THE      
EXTREMISTS ON BOTH SIDES,       
THEN WE HAVE HOPE OF            
EXTREMISTS ON BOTH SIDES,       
THEN WE HAVE HOPE OF            
GENERATING THE MIDDLE.          
THEN WE HAVE HOPE OF            
GENERATING THE MIDDLE.          
BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS THE         
GENERATING THE MIDDLE.          
BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS THE         
MIDDLE THAT GOVERNS.            
BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS THE         
MIDDLE THAT GOVERNS.            
IT'S ALWAYS THE MIDDLE THAT     
MIDDLE THAT GOVERNS.            
IT'S ALWAYS THE MIDDLE THAT     
RULES.                          
IT'S ALWAYS THE MIDDLE THAT     
RULES.                          
AND IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY     
RULES.                          
AND IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY     
HAD SUCH DIFFICULTY THAT 50     
AND IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY     
HAD SUCH DIFFICULTY THAT 50     
EXTREMISTS COULD ELIMINATE      
HAD SUCH DIFFICULTY THAT 50     
EXTREMISTS COULD ELIMINATE      
THE MODERATES, PEOPLE LIKE      
EXTREMISTS COULD ELIMINATE      
THE MODERATES, PEOPLE LIKE      
RICHARD LUGAR AND MANY OF       
THE MODERATES, PEOPLE LIKE      
RICHARD LUGAR AND MANY OF       
THOSE WHOM MANY OF YOU KNOW     
RICHARD LUGAR AND MANY OF       
THOSE WHOM MANY OF YOU KNOW     
WHO ARE WERE -- WHO ARE         
THOSE WHOM MANY OF YOU KNOW     
WHO ARE WERE -- WHO ARE         
REGARDED AS MODERATES OF THE    
WHO ARE WERE -- WHO ARE         
REGARDED AS MODERATES OF THE    
REPUBLICAN PARTY, HOW MUCH      
REGARDED AS MODERATES OF THE    
REPUBLICAN PARTY, HOW MUCH      
MORE DIFFICULT IT MUST BE       
REPUBLICAN PARTY, HOW MUCH      
MORE DIFFICULT IT MUST BE       
WITH A WORLDWIDE POPULATION     
MORE DIFFICULT IT MUST BE       
WITH A WORLDWIDE POPULATION     
OF 1.5 BILLION, THE BATTLE      
WITH A WORLDWIDE POPULATION     
OF 1.5 BILLION, THE BATTLE      
AGAINST THE EXTREMISTS WITHIN   
OF 1.5 BILLION, THE BATTLE      
AGAINST THE EXTREMISTS WITHIN   
OUR FAITH TRADITION IS AN       
AGAINST THE EXTREMISTS WITHIN   
OUR FAITH TRADITION IS AN       
IMPORTANT ONE, ONE THAT HAS     
OUR FAITH TRADITION IS AN       
IMPORTANT ONE, ONE THAT HAS     
TO BE DONE NOT ONLY BY          
IMPORTANT ONE, ONE THAT HAS     
TO BE DONE NOT ONLY BY          
MUSLIMS ALONE, MUSLIMS ON       
TO BE DONE NOT ONLY BY          
MUSLIMS ALONE, MUSLIMS ON       
CERTAIN FRONTS, BUT MUSLIMS     
MUSLIMS ALONE, MUSLIMS ON       
CERTAIN FRONTS, BUT MUSLIMS     
AND PEOPLE OF OTHER             
CERTAIN FRONTS, BUT MUSLIMS     
AND PEOPLE OF OTHER             
TRADITIONS ON COMMON FRONTS.    
AND PEOPLE OF OTHER             
TRADITIONS ON COMMON FRONTS.    
THERE'S MUCH MORE THAT I CAN    
TRADITIONS ON COMMON FRONTS.    
THERE'S MUCH MORE THAT I CAN    
SAY BUT I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS   
THERE'S MUCH MORE THAT I CAN    
SAY BUT I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS   
OPEN REMARK, AND THAT IS WHY    
SAY BUT I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS   
OPEN REMARK, AND THAT IS WHY    
WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE         
OPEN REMARK, AND THAT IS WHY    
WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE         
IMPORTANCE OF A GLOBAL          
WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE         
IMPORTANCE OF A GLOBAL          
COALITION OF MODERATES TO       
IMPORTANCE OF A GLOBAL          
COALITION OF MODERATES TO       
COMBAT THE EXTREMISTS ON ALL    
COALITION OF MODERATES TO       
COMBAT THE EXTREMISTS ON ALL    
OUR SIDES, TO IDENTIFY THE      
COMBAT THE EXTREMISTS ON ALL    
OUR SIDES, TO IDENTIFY THE      
ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT,      
OUR SIDES, TO IDENTIFY THE      
ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT,      
WHICH ARE POLITICAL, AND TO     
ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT,      
WHICH ARE POLITICAL, AND TO     
FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS THEM      
WHICH ARE POLITICAL, AND TO     
FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS THEM      
FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR          
FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS THEM      
FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR          
CHILDREN AND OUR                
FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR          
CHILDREN AND OUR                
GRANDCHILDREN AND PEACE ON      
CHILDREN AND OUR                
GRANDCHILDREN AND PEACE ON      
THIS WORLD THAT WE LOVE.        
GRANDCHILDREN AND PEACE ON      
THIS WORLD THAT WE LOVE.        
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND MAY    
THIS WORLD THAT WE LOVE.        
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND MAY    
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.              
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND MAY    
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.              
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.              
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> AND I JUST WANT TO INVITE    
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> AND I JUST WANT TO INVITE    
ONE MORE ROUND OF APPLAUSE      
>> AND I JUST WANT TO INVITE    
ONE MORE ROUND OF APPLAUSE      
FOR ALL THREE OF THE            
ONE MORE ROUND OF APPLAUSE      
FOR ALL THREE OF THE            
PANELISTS FOR THESE STRONG      
FOR ALL THREE OF THE            
PANELISTS FOR THESE STRONG      
OPENING STATEMENTS.             
PANELISTS FOR THESE STRONG      
OPENING STATEMENTS.             
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
OPENING STATEMENTS.             
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THAT WAS VERY RICH.          
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> THAT WAS VERY RICH.          
YOU JUST ALL THREE GAVE US A    
>> THAT WAS VERY RICH.          
YOU JUST ALL THREE GAVE US A    
LOT TO THINK ABOUT ALREADY.     
YOU JUST ALL THREE GAVE US A    
LOT TO THINK ABOUT ALREADY.     
BUT LET'S CHAT ABOUT SOME OF    
LOT TO THINK ABOUT ALREADY.     
BUT LET'S CHAT ABOUT SOME OF    
IT.                             
BUT LET'S CHAT ABOUT SOME OF    
IT.                             
IT SEEMS TO ME I'VE HEARD       
IT.                             
IT SEEMS TO ME I'VE HEARD       
COMMON GROUND ALREADY IN THE    
IT SEEMS TO ME I'VE HEARD       
COMMON GROUND ALREADY IN THE    
OBVIOUS SENSE THAT ALL THREE    
COMMON GROUND ALREADY IN THE    
OBVIOUS SENSE THAT ALL THREE    
OF YOU CONDEMN VIOLENCE,        
OBVIOUS SENSE THAT ALL THREE    
OF YOU CONDEMN VIOLENCE,        
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF      
OF YOU CONDEMN VIOLENCE,        
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF      
RELIGION.                       
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF      
RELIGION.                       
ALL THREE OF YOU, I THINK,      
RELIGION.                       
ALL THREE OF YOU, I THINK,      
ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE       
ALL THREE OF YOU, I THINK,      
ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE       
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO          
ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE       
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO          
IDENTIFY AS MUSLIMS AROUND      
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO          
IDENTIFY AS MUSLIMS AROUND      
THE WORLD ARE NOT ENGAGED IN    
IDENTIFY AS MUSLIMS AROUND      
THE WORLD ARE NOT ENGAGED IN    
VIOLENCE.                       
THE WORLD ARE NOT ENGAGED IN    
VIOLENCE.                       
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHERE       
VIOLENCE.                       
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHERE       
THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE IS     
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHERE       
THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE IS     
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE     
THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE IS     
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE     
ACTS OF VIOLENCE BY A SMALL     
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE     
ACTS OF VIOLENCE BY A SMALL     
MINORITY DEFINE THE FAITH OR    
ACTS OF VIOLENCE BY A SMALL     
MINORITY DEFINE THE FAITH OR    
ARE A PERVERSION AND A          
MINORITY DEFINE THE FAITH OR    
ARE A PERVERSION AND A          
HIJACKING OF THE FAITH.         
ARE A PERVERSION AND A          
HIJACKING OF THE FAITH.         
AND I WANT TO GO FIRST TO       
HIJACKING OF THE FAITH.         
AND I WANT TO GO FIRST TO       
YOU, AAYAN.                     
AND I WANT TO GO FIRST TO       
YOU, AAYAN.                     
WE JUST HEARD IMAM FEISAL       
YOU, AAYAN.                     
WE JUST HEARD IMAM FEISAL       
MAKE A POINT, HE MADE AN        
WE JUST HEARD IMAM FEISAL       
MAKE A POINT, HE MADE AN        
ANALOGY TO EPISODES,            
MAKE A POINT, HE MADE AN        
ANALOGY TO EPISODES,            
HISTORICAL EPISODES OF          
ANALOGY TO EPISODES,            
HISTORICAL EPISODES OF          
WRONGDOING BY FAITH IN A MORE   
HISTORICAL EPISODES OF          
WRONGDOING BY FAITH IN A MORE   
FAMILIAR EXAMPLE IN RICHMOND,   
WRONGDOING BY FAITH IN A MORE   
FAMILIAR EXAMPLE IN RICHMOND,   
VIRGINIA, CHRISTIAN FAITH.      
FAMILIAR EXAMPLE IN RICHMOND,   
VIRGINIA, CHRISTIAN FAITH.      
OF COURSE, HISTORICALLY, WARS   
VIRGINIA, CHRISTIAN FAITH.      
OF COURSE, HISTORICALLY, WARS   
HAVE BEEN FOUGHT BY             
OF COURSE, HISTORICALLY, WARS   
HAVE BEEN FOUGHT BY             
CHRISTIANS WITH EACH OTHER,     
HAVE BEEN FOUGHT BY             
CHRISTIANS WITH EACH OTHER,     
AND AGAINST OTHER GROUPS, AND   
CHRISTIANS WITH EACH OTHER,     
AND AGAINST OTHER GROUPS, AND   
YET, THERE IS NO TENDENCY IN    
AND AGAINST OTHER GROUPS, AND   
YET, THERE IS NO TENDENCY IN    
OUR CULTURE, THEREFORE, TO      
YET, THERE IS NO TENDENCY IN    
OUR CULTURE, THEREFORE, TO      
SAY THAT THERE IS               
OUR CULTURE, THEREFORE, TO      
SAY THAT THERE IS               
FUNDAMENTALLY SOMETHING WRONG   
SAY THAT THERE IS               
FUNDAMENTALLY SOMETHING WRONG   
AT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY     
FUNDAMENTALLY SOMETHING WRONG   
AT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY     
AND ITS DEFINITION.             
AT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY     
AND ITS DEFINITION.             
I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU WHY YOU     
AND ITS DEFINITION.             
I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU WHY YOU     
MAKE THAT LEAP IN THE CASE OF   
I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU WHY YOU     
MAKE THAT LEAP IN THE CASE OF   
ISLAM AND MUSLIMS.              
MAKE THAT LEAP IN THE CASE OF   
ISLAM AND MUSLIMS.              
>> WHAT I DO IS I LISTEN TO     
ISLAM AND MUSLIMS.              
>> WHAT I DO IS I LISTEN TO     
THE MEN -- MOSTLY THEY ARE      
>> WHAT I DO IS I LISTEN TO     
THE MEN -- MOSTLY THEY ARE      
MEN, WHO INVOKE THE FOUNDING    
THE MEN -- MOSTLY THEY ARE      
MEN, WHO INVOKE THE FOUNDING    
DOCUMENTS OF ISLAM AND          
MEN, WHO INVOKE THE FOUNDING    
DOCUMENTS OF ISLAM AND          
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM, AND   
DOCUMENTS OF ISLAM AND          
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM, AND   
I LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY, AND    
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM, AND   
I LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY, AND    
THEN I THINK, IS THAT IN THE    
I LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY, AND    
THEN I THINK, IS THAT IN THE    
CURAN.                          
THEN I THINK, IS THAT IN THE    
CURAN.                          
FOR INSTANCE, AS YOU PROBABLY   
CURAN.                          
FOR INSTANCE, AS YOU PROBABLY   
ALL KNOW, I'M VERY MUCH         
FOR INSTANCE, AS YOU PROBABLY   
ALL KNOW, I'M VERY MUCH         
CONCERNED ABOUT THE             
ALL KNOW, I'M VERY MUCH         
CONCERNED ABOUT THE             
SUBJECTION OF WOMEN SO WHEN I   
CONCERNED ABOUT THE             
SUBJECTION OF WOMEN SO WHEN I   
READ IN THE CURAN THAT MEN      
SUBJECTION OF WOMEN SO WHEN I   
READ IN THE CURAN THAT MEN      
ARE THE MAINTENANCE OF WOMEN    
READ IN THE CURAN THAT MEN      
ARE THE MAINTENANCE OF WOMEN    
AND THAT HUSBANDS ARE ALLOWED   
ARE THE MAINTENANCE OF WOMEN    
AND THAT HUSBANDS ARE ALLOWED   
TO HIT THEIR WIVES, I SEE --    
AND THAT HUSBANDS ARE ALLOWED   
TO HIT THEIR WIVES, I SEE --    
I LOOK AT THAT VERSE IN A WAY   
TO HIT THEIR WIVES, I SEE --    
I LOOK AT THAT VERSE IN A WAY   
AND I THINK YOU CAN READ THAT   
I LOOK AT THAT VERSE IN A WAY   
AND I THINK YOU CAN READ THAT   
IN CONTEXT, IN HISTORICAL       
AND I THINK YOU CAN READ THAT   
IN CONTEXT, IN HISTORICAL       
CONTEXT, OR YOU CAN APPLY IT    
IN CONTEXT, IN HISTORICAL       
CONTEXT, OR YOU CAN APPLY IT    
TO OUR TIMES, AND THE MEN WHO   
CONTEXT, OR YOU CAN APPLY IT    
TO OUR TIMES, AND THE MEN WHO   
ARE DOING THAT, WHO ARE         
TO OUR TIMES, AND THE MEN WHO   
ARE DOING THAT, WHO ARE         
APPLYING ALL OF THESE VERSES    
ARE DOING THAT, WHO ARE         
APPLYING ALL OF THESE VERSES    
AND THE EXAMPLE OF THE          
APPLYING ALL OF THESE VERSES    
AND THE EXAMPLE OF THE          
PROPHET MOHAMMED, NOT TO THE    
AND THE EXAMPLE OF THE          
PROPHET MOHAMMED, NOT TO THE    
SEVENTH CENTURY, BUT TO OUR     
PROPHET MOHAMMED, NOT TO THE    
SEVENTH CENTURY, BUT TO OUR     
TIME, I FIND -- AND IT'S VERY   
SEVENTH CENTURY, BUT TO OUR     
TIME, I FIND -- AND IT'S VERY   
UNFORTUNATE, BUT I FIND THEM    
TIME, I FIND -- AND IT'S VERY   
UNFORTUNATE, BUT I FIND THEM    
TO BE FAR MORE INFLUENTIAL IN   
UNFORTUNATE, BUT I FIND THEM    
TO BE FAR MORE INFLUENTIAL IN   
INSPIRING AND MOBILIZING THE    
TO BE FAR MORE INFLUENTIAL IN   
INSPIRING AND MOBILIZING THE    
YOUNG MEN TO SEE THE RELIGION   
INSPIRING AND MOBILIZING THE    
YOUNG MEN TO SEE THE RELIGION   
OF ISLAM THE WAY THEY SEE IT    
YOUNG MEN TO SEE THE RELIGION   
OF ISLAM THE WAY THEY SEE IT    
THAN THE WAY EITHER IMAM        
OF ISLAM THE WAY THEY SEE IT    
THAN THE WAY EITHER IMAM        
FEISAL SAYS HE SEES IT OR       
THAN THE WAY EITHER IMAM        
FEISAL SAYS HE SEES IT OR       
MAAJIK SEES IT.                 
FEISAL SAYS HE SEES IT OR       
MAAJIK SEES IT.                 
THAT'S A FACT.                  
MAAJIK SEES IT.                 
THAT'S A FACT.                  
YOU LOOK AT AL-QAEDA,           
THAT'S A FACT.                  
YOU LOOK AT AL-QAEDA,           
AL-QAEDA DOES NOT USE BIN       
YOU LOOK AT AL-QAEDA,           
AL-QAEDA DOES NOT USE BIN       
LADEN TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE.    
AL-QAEDA DOES NOT USE BIN       
LADEN TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE.    
AL-QAEDA USES THE CURAN AND     
LADEN TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE.    
AL-QAEDA USES THE CURAN AND     
PROPHET MOHAMMED TO RECRUIT     
AL-QAEDA USES THE CURAN AND     
PROPHET MOHAMMED TO RECRUIT     
YOUNG MEN.                      
PROPHET MOHAMMED TO RECRUIT     
YOUNG MEN.                      
SO WE HAVE TO STOP THIS         
YOUNG MEN.                      
SO WE HAVE TO STOP THIS         
DENIAL, AND AT SOME POINT,      
SO WE HAVE TO STOP THIS         
DENIAL, AND AT SOME POINT,      
TRY AND ADDRESS THE             
DENIAL, AND AT SOME POINT,      
TRY AND ADDRESS THE             
INFLUENTIAL OF THESE            
TRY AND ADDRESS THE             
INFLUENTIAL OF THESE            
DOCUMENTS, AND THE WAY TO DO    
INFLUENTIAL OF THESE            
DOCUMENTS, AND THE WAY TO DO    
IT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN     
DOCUMENTS, AND THE WAY TO DO    
IT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN     
THERE, AND NOT DENY IT.         
IT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN     
THERE, AND NOT DENY IT.         
IT IS THE DENIAL THAT IS SO     
THERE, AND NOT DENY IT.         
IT IS THE DENIAL THAT IS SO     
INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.         
IT IS THE DENIAL THAT IS SO     
INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.         
>> LET ME ASK MAAJIK.           
INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.         
>> LET ME ASK MAAJIK.           
YOU'VE IN A SENSE LIVED BOTH    
>> LET ME ASK MAAJIK.           
YOU'VE IN A SENSE LIVED BOTH    
SIDES OF THE EQUATION THAT      
YOU'VE IN A SENSE LIVED BOTH    
SIDES OF THE EQUATION THAT      
AAYAN WAS JUST DESCRIBING.      
SIDES OF THE EQUATION THAT      
AAYAN WAS JUST DESCRIBING.      
IN THE OPENING, I MISTAKENLY    
AAYAN WAS JUST DESCRIBING.      
IN THE OPENING, I MISTAKENLY    
REFERRED TO YOU AS A            
IN THE OPENING, I MISTAKENLY    
REFERRED TO YOU AS A            
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND YOU      
REFERRED TO YOU AS A            
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND YOU      
POINT OUT, I APOLOGIZE, YOU     
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND YOU      
POINT OUT, I APOLOGIZE, YOU     
CLARIFIED THE NUANCE SHOULD     
POINT OUT, I APOLOGIZE, YOU     
CLARIFIED THE NUANCE SHOULD     
BE THAT YOU IDENTIFY AS A       
CLARIFIED THE NUANCE SHOULD     
BE THAT YOU IDENTIFY AS A       
MUSLIM.                         
BE THAT YOU IDENTIFY AS A       
MUSLIM.                         
BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN      
MUSLIM.                         
BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN      
WHO YOU WERE WHEN YOU WERE A    
BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN      
WHO YOU WERE WHEN YOU WERE A    
RADICAL AND WHO YOU ARE NOW     
WHO YOU WERE WHEN YOU WERE A    
RADICAL AND WHO YOU ARE NOW     
SAYS WHAT ABOUT THAT            
RADICAL AND WHO YOU ARE NOW     
SAYS WHAT ABOUT THAT            
IDENTIFICATION WITH ISLAM       
SAYS WHAT ABOUT THAT            
IDENTIFICATION WITH ISLAM       
THAT YOU HAVE?                  
IDENTIFICATION WITH ISLAM       
THAT YOU HAVE?                  
WELL, I WASN'T RAISED AS WHAT   
THAT YOU HAVE?                  
WELL, I WASN'T RAISED AS WHAT   
PEOPLE REFERRED TO AS A         
WELL, I WASN'T RAISED AS WHAT   
PEOPLE REFERRED TO AS A         
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND MY       
PEOPLE REFERRED TO AS A         
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND MY       
PATH TOWARDS THE ISLAMIST       
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND MY       
PATH TOWARDS THE ISLAMIST       
IDEOLOGY AND PERHAPS THIS       
PATH TOWARDS THE ISLAMIST       
IDEOLOGY AND PERHAPS THIS       
TOUCHES ON SOMETHING THAT       
IDEOLOGY AND PERHAPS THIS       
TOUCHES ON SOMETHING THAT       
AAYAN HAS SPOKEN ABOUT, THE     
TOUCHES ON SOMETHING THAT       
AAYAN HAS SPOKEN ABOUT, THE     
PAST IDEOLOGY WASN'T ACTUALLY   
AAYAN HAS SPOKEN ABOUT, THE     
PAST IDEOLOGY WASN'T ACTUALLY   
A SMOOTH -- WITH THE CURAN,     
PAST IDEOLOGY WASN'T ACTUALLY   
A SMOOTH -- WITH THE CURAN,     
ALL THE TEACH RESPECT OF THE    
A SMOOTH -- WITH THE CURAN,     
ALL THE TEACH RESPECT OF THE    
PROPHET.                        
ALL THE TEACH RESPECT OF THE    
PROPHET.                        
TWO THINGS HAPPENED.            
PROPHET.                        
TWO THINGS HAPPENED.            
I WAS BORN IN ESSEX IN THE      
TWO THINGS HAPPENED.            
I WAS BORN IN ESSEX IN THE      
U.K., AN AREA NEXT DOOR TO      
I WAS BORN IN ESSEX IN THE      
U.K., AN AREA NEXT DOOR TO      
LONDON, AND THE FIRST           
U.K., AN AREA NEXT DOOR TO      
LONDON, AND THE FIRST           
EXPERIENCE, IT WAS SEVERE AND   
LONDON, AND THE FIRST           
EXPERIENCE, IT WAS SEVERE AND   
VIOLENT RACISM DOMESTICALLY     
EXPERIENCE, IT WAS SEVERE AND   
VIOLENT RACISM DOMESTICALLY     
AND THE SECOND WAS THAT I WAS   
VIOLENT RACISM DOMESTICALLY     
AND THE SECOND WAS THAT I WAS   
WITNESSING THE GENOCIDE         
AND THE SECOND WAS THAT I WAS   
WITNESSING THE GENOCIDE         
UNFOLD IN BOZ KNEEA, WHICH      
WITNESSING THE GENOCIDE         
UNFOLD IN BOZ KNEEA, WHICH      
FOR US BORN AND RAISED          
UNFOLD IN BOZ KNEEA, WHICH      
FOR US BORN AND RAISED          
MUSLIMS WAS AROUND THE          
FOR US BORN AND RAISED          
MUSLIMS WAS AROUND THE          
CORNER, NEXT DOOR, AND          
MUSLIMS WAS AROUND THE          
CORNER, NEXT DOOR, AND          
TOUCHED US DEEPLY.              
CORNER, NEXT DOOR, AND          
TOUCHED US DEEPLY.              
THESE TWO, THEY MANIFESTED IN   
TOUCHED US DEEPLY.              
THESE TWO, THEY MANIFESTED IN   
THE FORM OF IDENTITY POLITICS   
THESE TWO, THEY MANIFESTED IN   
THE FORM OF IDENTITY POLITICS   
IN BRITAIN.                     
THE FORM OF IDENTITY POLITICS   
IN BRITAIN.                     
SO ISLAM SUDDENLY BECAME NOT    
IN BRITAIN.                     
SO ISLAM SUDDENLY BECAME NOT    
ONLY A FORM OF OUR IDENTITY,    
SO ISLAM SUDDENLY BECAME NOT    
ONLY A FORM OF OUR IDENTITY,    
BUT A REVOLUTIONARY CALL FOR    
ONLY A FORM OF OUR IDENTITY,    
BUT A REVOLUTIONARY CALL FOR    
CHANGE.                         
BUT A REVOLUTIONARY CALL FOR    
CHANGE.                         
AND IN FACT, THE ONLY SERIOUS   
CHANGE.                         
AND IN FACT, THE ONLY SERIOUS   
OCCASION I HAD TO STUDY THE     
AND IN FACT, THE ONLY SERIOUS   
OCCASION I HAD TO STUDY THE     
RELIGION WAS -- THIS HAPPENED   
OCCASION I HAD TO STUDY THE     
RELIGION WAS -- THIS HAPPENED   
AT 16, SO I JOINED THE GROUP    
RELIGION WAS -- THIS HAPPENED   
AT 16, SO I JOINED THE GROUP    
AT 16.                          
AT 16, SO I JOINED THE GROUP    
AT 16.                          
BY 24, I WAS IMPRISONED IN      
AT 16.                          
BY 24, I WAS IMPRISONED IN      
EGYPT AFTER HAVING COFOUNDED    
BY 24, I WAS IMPRISONED IN      
EGYPT AFTER HAVING COFOUNDED    
THE GROUP IN THREE OTHER        
EGYPT AFTER HAVING COFOUNDED    
THE GROUP IN THREE OTHER        
COUNTRIES.                      
THE GROUP IN THREE OTHER        
COUNTRIES.                      
I BECAME THE EQUIVALENT OF A    
COUNTRIES.                      
I BECAME THE EQUIVALENT OF A    
COMMUNIST FOR ISLAM.            
I BECAME THE EQUIVALENT OF A    
COMMUNIST FOR ISLAM.            
WE WERE EXPORT THANK            
COMMUNIST FOR ISLAM.            
WE WERE EXPORT THANK            
REVOLUTION.                     
WE WERE EXPORT THANK            
REVOLUTION.                     
THE ONLY OCCASION I HAD TO      
REVOLUTION.                     
THE ONLY OCCASION I HAD TO      
STUDY THE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES   
THE ONLY OCCASION I HAD TO      
STUDY THE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES   
WAS AFTER I WAS IMPRISONED,     
STUDY THE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES   
WAS AFTER I WAS IMPRISONED,     
AFTER I HAD LEARNED ARABIC,     
WAS AFTER I WAS IMPRISONED,     
AFTER I HAD LEARNED ARABIC,     
SO I SUPPOSE IT WAS A WAY OF    
AFTER I HAD LEARNED ARABIC,     
SO I SUPPOSE IT WAS A WAY OF    
ADDRESSING WHAT MY COLLEAGUE    
SO I SUPPOSE IT WAS A WAY OF    
ADDRESSING WHAT MY COLLEAGUE    
AAYAN HAS MENTIONED, WAS THAT   
ADDRESSING WHAT MY COLLEAGUE    
AAYAN HAS MENTIONED, WAS THAT   
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PATH IN,     
AAYAN HAS MENTIONED, WAS THAT   
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PATH IN,     
FOR THE MAJORITY OF WESTERN     
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PATH IN,     
FOR THE MAJORITY OF WESTERN     
RADICALIZED INDIVIDUALS, IT'S   
FOR THE MAJORITY OF WESTERN     
RADICALIZED INDIVIDUALS, IT'S   
RARELY THROUGH SCRIPTURE AND    
RADICALIZED INDIVIDUALS, IT'S   
RARELY THROUGH SCRIPTURE AND    
THE RADICALIZATION RARELY       
RARELY THROUGH SCRIPTURE AND    
THE RADICALIZATION RARELY       
OCCURS IN MOSQUES.              
THE RADICALIZATION RARELY       
OCCURS IN MOSQUES.              
I NEVER FREQUENTED A MOSQUE.    
OCCURS IN MOSQUES.              
I NEVER FREQUENTED A MOSQUE.    
IT'S USUALLY THROUGH A FORM     
I NEVER FREQUENTED A MOSQUE.    
IT'S USUALLY THROUGH A FORM     
OF POLITICIZED IDEOLOGICAL      
IT'S USUALLY THROUGH A FORM     
OF POLITICIZED IDEOLOGICAL      
DISCOURSE THAT THEY ARRIVE AT   
OF POLITICIZED IDEOLOGICAL      
DISCOURSE THAT THEY ARRIVE AT   
THESE CONCLUSIONS AND IT'S      
DISCOURSE THAT THEY ARRIVE AT   
THESE CONCLUSIONS AND IT'S      
USUALLY A MIXTURE OF IDENTITY   
THESE CONCLUSIONS AND IT'S      
USUALLY A MIXTURE OF IDENTITY   
POLITICS, CAUSAL IDENTITY       
USUALLY A MIXTURE OF IDENTITY   
POLITICS, CAUSAL IDENTITY       
POLITICS, SOMETHING THAT        
POLITICS, CAUSAL IDENTITY       
POLITICS, SOMETHING THAT        
ISN'T ALIEN TO AMERICA.         
POLITICS, SOMETHING THAT        
ISN'T ALIEN TO AMERICA.         
THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAD   
ISN'T ALIEN TO AMERICA.         
THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAD   
THIS SAME DIVISION.             
THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAD   
THIS SAME DIVISION.             
WE HAD MARTIN LUTHER KINGS ON   
THIS SAME DIVISION.             
WE HAD MARTIN LUTHER KINGS ON   
THE ONE HAND BUT ON THE OTHER   
WE HAD MARTIN LUTHER KINGS ON   
THE ONE HAND BUT ON THE OTHER   
HAND, THE BLACK PANTHERS AND    
THE ONE HAND BUT ON THE OTHER   
HAND, THE BLACK PANTHERS AND    
NATION OF ISLAM THAT PULLED     
HAND, THE BLACK PANTHERS AND    
NATION OF ISLAM THAT PULLED     
UP THE IDENTITY POLITICS        
NATION OF ISLAM THAT PULLED     
UP THE IDENTITY POLITICS        
AGENDA AND WHAT IT MEANT TO     
UP THE IDENTITY POLITICS        
AGENDA AND WHAT IT MEANT TO     
BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN.            
AGENDA AND WHAT IT MEANT TO     
BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN.            
>> YOU'RE SAYING IT DOES NOT    
BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN.            
>> YOU'RE SAYING IT DOES NOT    
COME FLU THE SCRIPTURE.         
>> YOU'RE SAYING IT DOES NOT    
COME FLU THE SCRIPTURE.         
I WANT TO GO TO IMAM FEISAL     
COME FLU THE SCRIPTURE.         
I WANT TO GO TO IMAM FEISAL     
ON THAT.                        
I WANT TO GO TO IMAM FEISAL     
ON THAT.                        
I ASSUME YOU KNOW ABOUT         
ON THAT.                        
I ASSUME YOU KNOW ABOUT         
WHAT'S IN THE CURAN.            
I ASSUME YOU KNOW ABOUT         
WHAT'S IN THE CURAN.            
YOU'VE WORKED AT THIS.          
WHAT'S IN THE CURAN.            
YOU'VE WORKED AT THIS.          
AND AAYAN IS MAKING THE         
YOU'VE WORKED AT THIS.          
AND AAYAN IS MAKING THE         
ARGUMENT IN HER OPENING         
AND AAYAN IS MAKING THE         
ARGUMENT IN HER OPENING         
STATEMENT THE ACTUAL            
ARGUMENT IN HER OPENING         
STATEMENT THE ACTUAL            
FOUNDATIONAL SCRIPTURE, WORDS   
STATEMENT THE ACTUAL            
FOUNDATIONAL SCRIPTURE, WORDS   
OF THE PROPHETS, NEED TO BE     
FOUNDATIONAL SCRIPTURE, WORDS   
OF THE PROPHETS, NEED TO BE     
REVISED AND REFORMED BECAUSE    
OF THE PROPHETS, NEED TO BE     
REVISED AND REFORMED BECAUSE    
THE VIOLENCE SHE WAS            
REVISED AND REFORMED BECAUSE    
THE VIOLENCE SHE WAS            
REFERRING TO SHE SAYS IS        
THE VIOLENCE SHE WAS            
REFERRING TO SHE SAYS IS        
INHERENT THERE.                 
REFERRING TO SHE SAYS IS        
INHERENT THERE.                 
I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED        
INHERENT THERE.                 
I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED        
ABOUT ASKING THIS QUESTION,     
I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED        
ABOUT ASKING THIS QUESTION,     
BECAUSE NONE OF US IN THE       
ABOUT ASKING THIS QUESTION,     
BECAUSE NONE OF US IN THE       
AUDIENCE, OR FEW OF US, ARE     
BECAUSE NONE OF US IN THE       
AUDIENCE, OR FEW OF US, ARE     
IN A POSITION TO JUDGE ANY      
AUDIENCE, OR FEW OF US, ARE     
IN A POSITION TO JUDGE ANY      
SORT OF DUALING SCRIPTURE       
IN A POSITION TO JUDGE ANY      
SORT OF DUALING SCRIPTURE       
TYPE OF CONVERSATION.           
SORT OF DUALING SCRIPTURE       
TYPE OF CONVERSATION.           
SO I WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT.   
TYPE OF CONVERSATION.           
SO I WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT.   
BUT I WANT TO ASK IN THE SORT   
SO I WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT.   
BUT I WANT TO ASK IN THE SORT   
OF FUNDAMENTAL SENSE, IS IT     
BUT I WANT TO ASK IN THE SORT   
OF FUNDAMENTAL SENSE, IS IT     
ACCURATE THAT THERE IS          
OF FUNDAMENTAL SENSE, IS IT     
ACCURATE THAT THERE IS          
SUPPORT IN ANY WAY FOR THE      
ACCURATE THAT THERE IS          
SUPPORT IN ANY WAY FOR THE      
KIND OF VIOLENCE, OR COULD IT   
SUPPORT IN ANY WAY FOR THE      
KIND OF VIOLENCE, OR COULD IT   
BE INTERPRETED EASILY, IS IT    
KIND OF VIOLENCE, OR COULD IT   
BE INTERPRETED EASILY, IS IT    
AN EASY LIFTOFF FROM WHAT'S     
BE INTERPRETED EASILY, IS IT    
AN EASY LIFTOFF FROM WHAT'S     
IN THE CURAN TO TURN INTO A     
AN EASY LIFTOFF FROM WHAT'S     
IN THE CURAN TO TURN INTO A     
CAUSE FOR VIOLENCE.             
IN THE CURAN TO TURN INTO A     
CAUSE FOR VIOLENCE.             
>> THE CURAN IS A RECORD OF     
CAUSE FOR VIOLENCE.             
>> THE CURAN IS A RECORD OF     
23 YEARS WORTH OF REVELATIONS   
>> THE CURAN IS A RECORD OF     
23 YEARS WORTH OF REVELATIONS   
IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.          
23 YEARS WORTH OF REVELATIONS   
IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.          
AND IN THE MOSQUE CENTURY,      
IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.          
AND IN THE MOSQUE CENTURY,      
THERE HAS BEEN A                
AND IN THE MOSQUE CENTURY,      
THERE HAS BEEN A                
DISCONTINUATION OF TRADITION    
THERE HAS BEEN A                
DISCONTINUATION OF TRADITION    
OF SCHOLARSHIP.                 
DISCONTINUATION OF TRADITION    
OF SCHOLARSHIP.                 
FROM THE VERY EARLY TIMES, A    
OF SCHOLARSHIP.                 
FROM THE VERY EARLY TIMES, A    
GROUP OF SCHOLARS STUDIED THE   
FROM THE VERY EARLY TIMES, A    
GROUP OF SCHOLARS STUDIED THE   
CURAN, STUDIED THE DICTION OF   
GROUP OF SCHOLARS STUDIED THE   
CURAN, STUDIED THE DICTION OF   
THE PROPHET AND WHAT WE CALL    
CURAN, STUDIED THE DICTION OF   
THE PROPHET AND WHAT WE CALL    
SHARIA IS ACTUALLY A CREATIVE   
THE PROPHET AND WHAT WE CALL    
SHARIA IS ACTUALLY A CREATIVE   
WORK, A CREATIVE WORK WHICH     
SHARIA IS ACTUALLY A CREATIVE   
WORK, A CREATIVE WORK WHICH     
EVOLVED OVER SEVERAL            
WORK, A CREATIVE WORK WHICH     
EVOLVED OVER SEVERAL            
CENTURIES BY JURISTS WHO        
EVOLVED OVER SEVERAL            
CENTURIES BY JURISTS WHO        
DEVELOPED AN UNDERSTANDING OF   
CENTURIES BY JURISTS WHO        
DEVELOPED AN UNDERSTANDING OF   
THE ISLAM JURISPRUDENCE, AND    
DEVELOPED AN UNDERSTANDING OF   
THE ISLAM JURISPRUDENCE, AND    
DEVELOPED BOTH AN               
THE ISLAM JURISPRUDENCE, AND    
DEVELOPED BOTH AN               
UNDERSTANDING BASED UPON NOT    
DEVELOPED BOTH AN               
UNDERSTANDING BASED UPON NOT    
ONLY THE VERSIONS OF THE        
UNDERSTANDING BASED UPON NOT    
ONLY THE VERSIONS OF THE        
CURAN, THE TEACHINGS OF THE     
ONLY THE VERSIONS OF THE        
CURAN, THE TEACHINGS OF THE     
PROPHET, AND THE PRECEDENCE     
CURAN, THE TEACHINGS OF THE     
PROPHET, AND THE PRECEDENCE     
OF HIS COMPANIONS WHO BEGAN     
PROPHET, AND THE PRECEDENCE     
OF HIS COMPANIONS WHO BEGAN     
TO RULE.                        
OF HIS COMPANIONS WHO BEGAN     
TO RULE.                        
IN THE SECOND CALIPH, WHEN HE   
TO RULE.                        
IN THE SECOND CALIPH, WHEN HE   
CONQUERED JERUSALEM,            
IN THE SECOND CALIPH, WHEN HE   
CONQUERED JERUSALEM,            
RECOGNIZED CHRISTIANS, AND      
CONQUERED JERUSALEM,            
RECOGNIZED CHRISTIANS, AND      
MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS     
RECOGNIZED CHRISTIANS, AND      
MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS     
FACT, EVEN, IT WAS OMER WHO     
MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS     
FACT, EVEN, IT WAS OMER WHO     
ACTUALLY INVITED JEWS TO TAKE   
FACT, EVEN, IT WAS OMER WHO     
ACTUALLY INVITED JEWS TO TAKE   
RESIDENCE IN JERUSALEM.         
ACTUALLY INVITED JEWS TO TAKE   
RESIDENCE IN JERUSALEM.         
SO THE COLLECTIVE HISTORY AND   
RESIDENCE IN JERUSALEM.         
SO THE COLLECTIVE HISTORY AND   
THIS TRADITION OF THE           
SO THE COLLECTIVE HISTORY AND   
THIS TRADITION OF THE           
CONTINUEOUS JURISPRUDENCE AND   
THIS TRADITION OF THE           
CONTINUEOUS JURISPRUDENCE AND   
UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN TAUGHT   
CONTINUEOUS JURISPRUDENCE AND   
UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN TAUGHT   
IN OUR TRADITION.               
UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN TAUGHT   
IN OUR TRADITION.               
IN THE 20TH CENTURY, SOME       
IN OUR TRADITION.               
IN THE 20TH CENTURY, SOME       
VERY MAJOR THINGS HAPPENED      
IN THE 20TH CENTURY, SOME       
VERY MAJOR THINGS HAPPENED      
WHICH DISCONTINUED THIS         
VERY MAJOR THINGS HAPPENED      
WHICH DISCONTINUED THIS         
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP AS     
WHICH DISCONTINUED THIS         
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP AS     
BEING DOMINANT.                 
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP AS     
BEING DOMINANT.                 
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FELT    
BEING DOMINANT.                 
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FELT    
THEY COULD READ THE CURAN       
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FELT    
THEY COULD READ THE CURAN       
DIRECTLY AND ARRIVE AT THEIR    
THEY COULD READ THE CURAN       
DIRECTLY AND ARRIVE AT THEIR    
CONCLUSIONS DEVELOPED NEW       
DIRECTLY AND ARRIVE AT THEIR    
CONCLUSIONS DEVELOPED NEW       
IDEAS WHICH ARE ALIEN TO THIS   
CONCLUSIONS DEVELOPED NEW       
IDEAS WHICH ARE ALIEN TO THIS   
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP.       
IDEAS WHICH ARE ALIEN TO THIS   
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP.       
IDEAS SUCH AS AN ISLAMIC        
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP.       
IDEAS SUCH AS AN ISLAMIC        
STATE, WHICH IS AN INCOHERENT   
IDEAS SUCH AS AN ISLAMIC        
STATE, WHICH IS AN INCOHERENT   
CONCEPT, IDEAS WHICH ARE NOW    
STATE, WHICH IS AN INCOHERENT   
CONCEPT, IDEAS WHICH ARE NOW    
SPLITTING THE WHOLE MUSLIM      
CONCEPT, IDEAS WHICH ARE NOW    
SPLITTING THE WHOLE MUSLIM      
WORLD FROM MOROCCO TO           
SPLITTING THE WHOLE MUSLIM      
WORLD FROM MOROCCO TO           
INDONESIA, SUNNI AGAINST        
WORLD FROM MOROCCO TO           
INDONESIA, SUNNI AGAINST        
SUNNI AS WE SEE IN EGYPT AND    
INDONESIA, SUNNI AGAINST        
SUNNI AS WE SEE IN EGYPT AND    
TUNISIA, AROUND THE ISLAMIC     
SUNNI AS WE SEE IN EGYPT AND    
TUNISIA, AROUND THE ISLAMIC     
STATEMENT IT'S AN INCOHERENT    
TUNISIA, AROUND THE ISLAMIC     
STATEMENT IT'S AN INCOHERENT    
IDEA, BUT IT'S CREATING A LOT   
STATEMENT IT'S AN INCOHERENT    
IDEA, BUT IT'S CREATING A LOT   
OF DIVISIVENESS, AND            
IDEA, BUT IT'S CREATING A LOT   
OF DIVISIVENESS, AND            
UNNECESSARY VIOLENCE IN MANY    
OF DIVISIVENESS, AND            
UNNECESSARY VIOLENCE IN MANY    
IN THAT REGION.                 
UNNECESSARY VIOLENCE IN MANY    
IN THAT REGION.                 
THE CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, WE    
IN THAT REGION.                 
THE CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, WE    
HAVE TO DELINK THE              
THE CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, WE    
HAVE TO DELINK THE              
AUTHORITARIANISM OR EXTREMISM   
HAVE TO DELINK THE              
AUTHORITARIANISM OR EXTREMISM   
FROM RELIGION.                  
AUTHORITARIANISM OR EXTREMISM   
FROM RELIGION.                  
YOU CAN HAVE UNDER THE SOVIET   
FROM RELIGION.                  
YOU CAN HAVE UNDER THE SOVIET   
UNION, WE HAD A MILITANT,       
YOU CAN HAVE UNDER THE SOVIET   
UNION, WE HAD A MILITANT,       
EXTREMIST, AUTHORITARIAN,       
UNION, WE HAD A MILITANT,       
EXTREMIST, AUTHORITARIAN,       
ATHEISM, WHICH WAS              
EXTREMIST, AUTHORITARIAN,       
ATHEISM, WHICH WAS              
PROSELYTIZED.                   
ATHEISM, WHICH WAS              
PROSELYTIZED.                   
IT DOESN'T MEAN ATHEISTS ARE    
PROSELYTIZED.                   
IT DOESN'T MEAN ATHEISTS ARE    
YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN, IT       
IT DOESN'T MEAN ATHEISTS ARE    
YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN, IT       
DOESN'T MEAN ATHEISM IS         
YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN, IT       
DOESN'T MEAN ATHEISM IS         
SOMETHING WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS   
DOESN'T MEAN ATHEISM IS         
SOMETHING WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS   
FUNDAMENTALLY ANTIAMERICAN.     
SOMETHING WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS   
FUNDAMENTALLY ANTIAMERICAN.     
MANY ARE ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC.   
FUNDAMENTALLY ANTIAMERICAN.     
MANY ARE ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC.   
SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE'VE     
MANY ARE ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC.   
SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE'VE     
HAD AN INCREASING               
SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE'VE     
HAD AN INCREASING               
AUTHORITARIANISM IN MANY        
HAD AN INCREASING               
AUTHORITARIANISM IN MANY        
COUNTRIES OF THE MUSLIM WORLD   
AUTHORITARIANISM IN MANY        
COUNTRIES OF THE MUSLIM WORLD   
TODAY AND WHICH HAS BECOME      
COUNTRIES OF THE MUSLIM WORLD   
TODAY AND WHICH HAS BECOME      
THE BANE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING   
TODAY AND WHICH HAS BECOME      
THE BANE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING   
BUT THE ARRIVAL OF THIS         
THE BANE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING   
BUT THE ARRIVAL OF THIS         
MILITANT ISLAM IS REALLY A      
BUT THE ARRIVAL OF THIS         
MILITANT ISLAM IS REALLY A      
PRODUCT OF SOME HISTORICAL      
MILITANT ISLAM IS REALLY A      
PRODUCT OF SOME HISTORICAL      
NARRATIVE WHICH DEVELOPED IN    
PRODUCT OF SOME HISTORICAL      
NARRATIVE WHICH DEVELOPED IN    
THE LAST CENTURY.               
NARRATIVE WHICH DEVELOPED IN    
THE LAST CENTURY.               
THE ARRIVAL OF THE -- PEOPLE    
THE LAST CENTURY.               
THE ARRIVAL OF THE -- PEOPLE    
MAY NOT REMEMBER, PEOPLE OF     
THE ARRIVAL OF THE -- PEOPLE    
MAY NOT REMEMBER, PEOPLE OF     
MY AGE, OF THE MUHAJADEEN WAS   
MAY NOT REMEMBER, PEOPLE OF     
MY AGE, OF THE MUHAJADEEN WAS   
SOMETHING DEVELOPED BY          
MY AGE, OF THE MUHAJADEEN WAS   
SOMETHING DEVELOPED BY          
PAKISTAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH    
SOMETHING DEVELOPED BY          
PAKISTAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH    
SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UNITED     
PAKISTAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH    
SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UNITED     
STATES TO FIGHT THE SOVIETS     
SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UNITED     
STATES TO FIGHT THE SOVIETS     
IN AFGHANISTAN.                 
STATES TO FIGHT THE SOVIETS     
IN AFGHANISTAN.                 
AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO      
IN AFGHANISTAN.                 
AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO      
WERE ENCOURAGE TO GO AND        
AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO      
WERE ENCOURAGE TO GO AND        
FIGHT WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE      
WERE ENCOURAGE TO GO AND        
FIGHT WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE      
EVEN CRIMINALS.                 
FIGHT WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE      
EVEN CRIMINALS.                 
YOU COULD SEND CRIMINALS TO     
EVEN CRIMINALS.                 
YOU COULD SEND CRIMINALS TO     
GO AND FIGHT IN AFGHANISTAN.    
YOU COULD SEND CRIMINALS TO     
GO AND FIGHT IN AFGHANISTAN.    
MUHAJADEEN WERE VIPSS FROM      
GO AND FIGHT IN AFGHANISTAN.    
MUHAJADEEN WERE VIPSS FROM      
THE REAGAN WHITE HOUSE, THEY    
MUHAJADEEN WERE VIPSS FROM      
THE REAGAN WHITE HOUSE, THEY    
WERE WELCOMED BY REAGAN AND     
THE REAGAN WHITE HOUSE, THEY    
WERE WELCOMED BY REAGAN AND     
CHAMPIONED BY REAGAN.           
WERE WELCOMED BY REAGAN AND     
CHAMPIONED BY REAGAN.           
UNFORTUNATELY THE IDEOLOGY      
CHAMPIONED BY REAGAN.           
UNFORTUNATELY THE IDEOLOGY      
DEVELOPED TO FIGHT THE          
UNFORTUNATELY THE IDEOLOGY      
DEVELOPED TO FIGHT THE          
SOVIETS WERE NOT REINTEGRATED   
DEVELOPED TO FIGHT THE          
SOVIETS WERE NOT REINTEGRATED   
BACK INTO SOCIETY.              
SOVIETS WERE NOT REINTEGRATED   
BACK INTO SOCIETY.              
JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE MORE      
BACK INTO SOCIETY.              
JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE MORE      
VETERANS WENT INTO IRAQ, THEY   
JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE MORE      
VETERANS WENT INTO IRAQ, THEY   
WERE NOT INTEGRATED AND         
VETERANS WENT INTO IRAQ, THEY   
WERE NOT INTEGRATED AND         
SUPPORTED --                    
WERE NOT INTEGRATED AND         
SUPPORTED --                    
>> MAY I TAKE YOUR POINT, THE   
SUPPORTED --                    
>> MAY I TAKE YOUR POINT, THE   
POINT YOU WERE MAKING, THE      
>> MAY I TAKE YOUR POINT, THE   
POINT YOU WERE MAKING, THE      
CENTER OF WHAT YOU WERE         
POINT YOU WERE MAKING, THE      
CENTER OF WHAT YOU WERE         
SAYING, MAKE IT BEYOND, THAT    
CENTER OF WHAT YOU WERE         
SAYING, MAKE IT BEYOND, THAT    
IMAM IS MAKING THE POINT THAT   
SAYING, MAKE IT BEYOND, THAT    
IMAM IS MAKING THE POINT THAT   
THE KIND OF MISBEHAVIOR, FOR    
IMAM IS MAKING THE POINT THAT   
THE KIND OF MISBEHAVIOR, FOR    
WANT OF A BETTER TERM, THAT     
THE KIND OF MISBEHAVIOR, FOR    
WANT OF A BETTER TERM, THAT     
IS EXPRESSED THROUGH ISLAM OF   
WANT OF A BETTER TERM, THAT     
IS EXPRESSED THROUGH ISLAM OF   
THE TYPES YOU'RE DESCRIBING     
IS EXPRESSED THROUGH ISLAM OF   
THE TYPES YOU'RE DESCRIBING     
IS A RATHER RECENT              
THE TYPES YOU'RE DESCRIBING     
IS A RATHER RECENT              
DEVELOPMENT, IN OTHER WORDS,    
IS A RATHER RECENT              
DEVELOPMENT, IN OTHER WORDS,    
IF WE WERE TO GO BACK 250       
DEVELOPMENT, IN OTHER WORDS,    
IF WE WERE TO GO BACK 250       
YEARS, WE COULDN'T SEE THE      
IF WE WERE TO GO BACK 250       
YEARS, WE COULDN'T SEE THE      
MUSLIM WORLD ACTING IN THAT     
YEARS, WE COULDN'T SEE THE      
MUSLIM WORLD ACTING IN THAT     
WAY IN ANY FASHION, IN A SORT   
MUSLIM WORLD ACTING IN THAT     
WAY IN ANY FASHION, IN A SORT   
OF POLITICAL FASHION,           
WAY IN ANY FASHION, IN A SORT   
OF POLITICAL FASHION,           
AGGRESSIVE FASHION.             
OF POLITICAL FASHION,           
AGGRESSIVE FASHION.             
WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?   
AGGRESSIVE FASHION.             
WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?   
>> WELL, I RESPECTFULLY         
WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?   
>> WELL, I RESPECTFULLY         
DISAGREE.                       
>> WELL, I RESPECTFULLY         
DISAGREE.                       
ISLAM WAS FOUNDED BY MOHAMMED   
DISAGREE.                       
ISLAM WAS FOUNDED BY MOHAMMED   
WHO CLAIMED TO BE A PROPHET,    
ISLAM WAS FOUNDED BY MOHAMMED   
WHO CLAIMED TO BE A PROPHET,    
IN THE EARLY YEARS, MECCA. HE   
WHO CLAIMED TO BE A PROPHET,    
IN THE EARLY YEARS, MECCA. HE   
EMPHASIZED WHAT WE NOW          
IN THE EARLY YEARS, MECCA. HE   
EMPHASIZED WHAT WE NOW          
DESCRIBED AS RELIGION,          
EMPHASIZED WHAT WE NOW          
DESCRIBED AS RELIGION,          
PRAYER, FASTING, CHARITY,       
DESCRIBED AS RELIGION,          
PRAYER, FASTING, CHARITY,       
TAKING CARE OF THE ORPHANS,     
PRAYER, FASTING, CHARITY,       
TAKING CARE OF THE ORPHANS,     
BUT THEN LATER, IN HIS TIME     
TAKING CARE OF THE ORPHANS,     
BUT THEN LATER, IN HIS TIME     
IN MEDINA, WHEN HE DEVELOPED,   
BUT THEN LATER, IN HIS TIME     
IN MEDINA, WHEN HE DEVELOPED,   
YOU KNOW, A FOLLOWING THAT      
IN MEDINA, WHEN HE DEVELOPED,   
YOU KNOW, A FOLLOWING THAT      
WAS LARGE ENOUGH TO ORGANIZE    
YOU KNOW, A FOLLOWING THAT      
WAS LARGE ENOUGH TO ORGANIZE    
A MILITIA, THEN THE             
WAS LARGE ENOUGH TO ORGANIZE    
A MILITIA, THEN THE             
REVELATIONS HE SAID HE WAS      
A MILITIA, THEN THE             
REVELATIONS HE SAID HE WAS      
RECEIVING FROM GOD CHANGED      
REVELATIONS HE SAID HE WAS      
RECEIVING FROM GOD CHANGED      
AND THEY BECAME MORE MILITARY   
RECEIVING FROM GOD CHANGED      
AND THEY BECAME MORE MILITARY   
AND HE BECAME MILITARISTIC,     
AND THEY BECAME MORE MILITARY   
AND HE BECAME MILITARISTIC,     
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE          
AND HE BECAME MILITARISTIC,     
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE          
HISTORY OF ISLAM FROM THAT      
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE          
HISTORY OF ISLAM FROM THAT      
TIME IN MEDINA UP TO NOW,       
HISTORY OF ISLAM FROM THAT      
TIME IN MEDINA UP TO NOW,       
WHAT YOU SEE IS, FIRST OF       
TIME IN MEDINA UP TO NOW,       
WHAT YOU SEE IS, FIRST OF       
ALL, AN INTERTWINING OF         
WHAT YOU SEE IS, FIRST OF       
ALL, AN INTERTWINING OF         
POLITICS AND RELIGION.          
ALL, AN INTERTWINING OF         
POLITICS AND RELIGION.          
AND CONQUEST AFTER CONQUEST.    
POLITICS AND RELIGION.          
AND CONQUEST AFTER CONQUEST.    
AND WHEN THESE CONQUESTS WERE   
AND CONQUEST AFTER CONQUEST.    
AND WHEN THESE CONQUESTS WERE   
MADE, THEN GOD'S WORD WAS       
AND WHEN THESE CONQUESTS WERE   
MADE, THEN GOD'S WORD WAS       
APPLIED -- THERE WAS AN         
MADE, THEN GOD'S WORD WAS       
APPLIED -- THERE WAS AN         
ATTEMPT TO APPLY DEFINE LAW     
APPLIED -- THERE WAS AN         
ATTEMPT TO APPLY DEFINE LAW     
TO GOVERN.                      
ATTEMPT TO APPLY DEFINE LAW     
TO GOVERN.                      
AND YES, IN THE LAST 200        
TO GOVERN.                      
AND YES, IN THE LAST 200        
YEARS, AFTER THE FALL OF THE    
AND YES, IN THE LAST 200        
YEARS, AFTER THE FALL OF THE    
OT MAN -- OTTOMAN EMPIRE,       
YEARS, AFTER THE FALL OF THE    
OT MAN -- OTTOMAN EMPIRE,       
ISLAM HAS FOUND ITSELF ON THE   
OT MAN -- OTTOMAN EMPIRE,       
ISLAM HAS FOUND ITSELF ON THE   
DEFENSIVE.                      
ISLAM HAS FOUND ITSELF ON THE   
DEFENSIVE.                      
AND THE ANSWER TO THAT, TO      
DEFENSIVE.                      
AND THE ANSWER TO THAT, TO      
SAY WESTERN ASENDENCEY AND      
AND THE ANSWER TO THAT, TO      
SAY WESTERN ASENDENCEY AND      
WESTERN IMPERIALISM IS WHERE    
SAY WESTERN ASENDENCEY AND      
WESTERN IMPERIALISM IS WHERE    
I THINK THE IMAM SORT OF        
WESTERN IMPERIALISM IS WHERE    
I THINK THE IMAM SORT OF        
BEGINS HISTORY AND WHERE        
I THINK THE IMAM SORT OF        
BEGINS HISTORY AND WHERE        
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT         
BEGINS HISTORY AND WHERE        
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT         
STRANDS AND TWO DIFFERENT       
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT         
STRANDS AND TWO DIFFERENT       
VOICES, ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE     
STRANDS AND TWO DIFFERENT       
VOICES, ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE     
SAYING WE NEED TO CONQUER THE   
VOICES, ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE     
SAYING WE NEED TO CONQUER THE   
WEST.                           
SAYING WE NEED TO CONQUER THE   
WEST.                           
THAT IS A SEPARATE RELIGION     
WEST.                           
THAT IS A SEPARATE RELIGION     
FROM POLITICS, AS DID KEMAL     
THAT IS A SEPARATE RELIGION     
FROM POLITICS, AS DID KEMAL     
ATATURK IN TURKEY AND OTHERS    
FROM POLITICS, AS DID KEMAL     
ATATURK IN TURKEY AND OTHERS    
SAYING, NO, WE NEED TO -- YOU   
ATATURK IN TURKEY AND OTHERS    
SAYING, NO, WE NEED TO -- YOU   
KNOW, YOU CANNOT REALLY AB      
SAYING, NO, WE NEED TO -- YOU   
KNOW, YOU CANNOT REALLY AB      
MOSLIM AND CANNOT BE A MUSLIM   
KNOW, YOU CANNOT REALLY AB      
MOSLIM AND CANNOT BE A MUSLIM   
SOCIETY AOLS YOU ARE RULED      
MOSLIM AND CANNOT BE A MUSLIM   
SOCIETY AOLS YOU ARE RULED      
UNDER THE SHARIA.               
SOCIETY AOLS YOU ARE RULED      
UNDER THE SHARIA.               
THAT DEBATE, THAT DIALOGUE,     
UNDER THE SHARIA.               
THAT DEBATE, THAT DIALOGUE,     
CONFRONTATION, WHATEVER YOU     
THAT DEBATE, THAT DIALOGUE,     
CONFRONTATION, WHATEVER YOU     
CALL IT, IS NOT OVER IN THE     
CONFRONTATION, WHATEVER YOU     
CALL IT, IS NOT OVER IN THE     
MUSLIM WORLD AND WE SEE THAT    
CALL IT, IS NOT OVER IN THE     
MUSLIM WORLD AND WE SEE THAT    
TODAY.                          
MUSLIM WORLD AND WE SEE THAT    
TODAY.                          
IN TURN EASHA -- IN TUNISIA,    
TODAY.                          
IN TURN EASHA -- IN TUNISIA,    
TODAY IN EGYPT.                 
IN TURN EASHA -- IN TUNISIA,    
TODAY IN EGYPT.                 
IT'S NOT POLITICAL, IT'S NOT    
TODAY IN EGYPT.                 
IT'S NOT POLITICAL, IT'S NOT    
SUPPORTED BY THE FOUNDING       
IT'S NOT POLITICAL, IT'S NOT    
SUPPORTED BY THE FOUNDING       
DOCUMENTS, IT'S NOT SUPPORTED   
SUPPORTED BY THE FOUNDING       
DOCUMENTS, IT'S NOT SUPPORTED   
BY THE HISTORY OF ISLAM TO      
DOCUMENTS, IT'S NOT SUPPORTED   
BY THE HISTORY OF ISLAM TO      
SAY THAT -- YOU KNOW, IT'S      
BY THE HISTORY OF ISLAM TO      
SAY THAT -- YOU KNOW, IT'S      
SOMETHING FROM THE DISTANT      
SAY THAT -- YOU KNOW, IT'S      
SOMETHING FROM THE DISTANT      
PAST.                           
SOMETHING FROM THE DISTANT      
PAST.                           
THE RECENT 100 YEARS.           
PAST.                           
THE RECENT 100 YEARS.           
IT'S SOMETHINGRY DISAGREE ON.   
THE RECENT 100 YEARS.           
IT'S SOMETHINGRY DISAGREE ON.   
>> THAT'S PREPROS PUS.          
IT'S SOMETHINGRY DISAGREE ON.   
>> THAT'S PREPROS PUS.          
TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO --        
>> THAT'S PREPROS PUS.          
TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO --        
THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I WAS    
TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO --        
THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I WAS    
SAYING AND TO SUGGEST THAT IS   
THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I WAS    
SAYING AND TO SUGGEST THAT IS   
A TRAVESTY.                     
SAYING AND TO SUGGEST THAT IS   
A TRAVESTY.                     
THE OTTOMANS, WHO WERE IN       
A TRAVESTY.                     
THE OTTOMANS, WHO WERE IN       
POWER UNTIL 1923, 1925, WERE    
THE OTTOMANS, WHO WERE IN       
POWER UNTIL 1923, 1925, WERE    
A HAVEN.                        
POWER UNTIL 1923, 1925, WERE    
A HAVEN.                        
>> 1924, THE CALIPHATE WAS      
A HAVEN.                        
>> 1924, THE CALIPHATE WAS      
ABOLISHED.                      
>> 1924, THE CALIPHATE WAS      
ABOLISHED.                      
>> THE OTTOMAN RULED UNTIL      
ABOLISHED.                      
>> THE OTTOMAN RULED UNTIL      
1923.                           
>> THE OTTOMAN RULED UNTIL      
1923.                           
UNTIL THAT TIME, AND EVEN       
1923.                           
UNTIL THAT TIME, AND EVEN       
THEREAFTER, UNDER OTTOMAN       
UNTIL THAT TIME, AND EVEN       
THEREAFTER, UNDER OTTOMAN       
RULE, THEY RULED OVER TURKS,    
THEREAFTER, UNDER OTTOMAN       
RULE, THEY RULED OVER TURKS,    
GREEKS, OVER ARABING, OVER      
RULE, THEY RULED OVER TURKS,    
GREEKS, OVER ARABING, OVER      
BULGARIANS, OVER MUSLIMS,       
GREEKS, OVER ARABING, OVER      
BULGARIANS, OVER MUSLIMS,       
CHRISTIANS, JEWS, YOU KNOW,     
BULGARIANS, OVER MUSLIMS,       
CHRISTIANS, JEWS, YOU KNOW,     
JEWS USED TO COME FOR SAFE      
CHRISTIANS, JEWS, YOU KNOW,     
JEWS USED TO COME FOR SAFE      
HAVEN UNDER THE OTTOMAN RULE,   
JEWS USED TO COME FOR SAFE      
HAVEN UNDER THE OTTOMAN RULE,   
INDIA, MUSLIMS RULED OVER       
HAVEN UNDER THE OTTOMAN RULE,   
INDIA, MUSLIMS RULED OVER       
VAST NUMBERS OF HINDUS.         
INDIA, MUSLIMS RULED OVER       
VAST NUMBERS OF HINDUS.         
IF THE ATTEMPT, IF THE          
VAST NUMBERS OF HINDUS.         
IF THE ATTEMPT, IF THE          
INTENTION OF MUSLIMS FROM THE   
IF THE ATTEMPT, IF THE          
INTENTION OF MUSLIMS FROM THE   
VERY BEGINNING WERE TO          
INTENTION OF MUSLIMS FROM THE   
VERY BEGINNING WERE TO          
ELIMINATE ANY OTHER RELIGION,   
VERY BEGINNING WERE TO          
ELIMINATE ANY OTHER RELIGION,   
THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER         
ELIMINATE ANY OTHER RELIGION,   
THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER         
RELIGIONS UNDER MUSLIM RULE.    
THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER         
RELIGIONS UNDER MUSLIM RULE.    
BUT UNTIL 60 YEARS AGO,         
RELIGIONS UNDER MUSLIM RULE.    
BUT UNTIL 60 YEARS AGO,         
ALEXANDRIA, IN MY COUNTRY,      
BUT UNTIL 60 YEARS AGO,         
ALEXANDRIA, IN MY COUNTRY,      
WAS A MAJORITY GREEK CITY.      
ALEXANDRIA, IN MY COUNTRY,      
WAS A MAJORITY GREEK CITY.      
WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THERE ARE    
WAS A MAJORITY GREEK CITY.      
WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THERE ARE    
SOME VERY MAJOR FUNDAMENTAL     
WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THERE ARE    
SOME VERY MAJOR FUNDAMENTAL     
MOVEMENTS THAT HAPPENED IN      
SOME VERY MAJOR FUNDAMENTAL     
MOVEMENTS THAT HAPPENED IN      
THE LAST CENTURY AND A HALF.    
MOVEMENTS THAT HAPPENED IN      
THE LAST CENTURY AND A HALF.    
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE,     
THE LAST CENTURY AND A HALF.    
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE,     
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE      
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE,     
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE      
BASED UPON ISLAM, WHICH I       
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE      
BASED UPON ISLAM, WHICH I       
MYSELF ARGUE ARE INCOHERENT     
BASED UPON ISLAM, WHICH I       
MYSELF ARGUE ARE INCOHERENT     
CONCEPTS.                       
MYSELF ARGUE ARE INCOHERENT     
CONCEPTS.                       
THESE THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED     
CONCEPTS.                       
THESE THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED     
AS STRANDS OF --                
THESE THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED     
AS STRANDS OF --                
>> WHAT IS THE TRAVESTY, WHAT   
AS STRANDS OF --                
>> WHAT IS THE TRAVESTY, WHAT   
IS PREPROS REDUCE?              
>> WHAT IS THE TRAVESTY, WHAT   
IS PREPROS REDUCE?              
>> -- PREPOSTEROUS.             
IS PREPROS REDUCE?              
>> -- PREPOSTEROUS.             
>> MY READING OF HISTORY        
>> -- PREPOSTEROUS.             
>> MY READING OF HISTORY        
STARTS 200 YEARS AGO.           
>> MY READING OF HISTORY        
STARTS 200 YEARS AGO.           
THAT IS ABSURD.                 
STARTS 200 YEARS AGO.           
THAT IS ABSURD.                 
>> LISTEN IT M -- LISTEN TO     
THAT IS ABSURD.                 
>> LISTEN IT M -- LISTEN TO     
MAAJID.                         
>> LISTEN IT M -- LISTEN TO     
MAAJID.                         
>> BECAUSE OF THE WORK I DO     
MAAJID.                         
>> BECAUSE OF THE WORK I DO     
AND THE CAUSE I HAVE, I SEE     
>> BECAUSE OF THE WORK I DO     
AND THE CAUSE I HAVE, I SEE     
MYSELF BETWEEN THESE TWO        
AND THE CAUSE I HAVE, I SEE     
MYSELF BETWEEN THESE TWO        
POSITIONS, IN THAT EVERYTHING   
MYSELF BETWEEN THESE TWO        
POSITIONS, IN THAT EVERYTHING   
DESCRIBED AS WRONG WITH THE     
POSITIONS, IN THAT EVERYTHING   
DESCRIBED AS WRONG WITH THE     
MUSLIM COUNTRIES, I DISAGREE    
DESCRIBED AS WRONG WITH THE     
MUSLIM COUNTRIES, I DISAGREE    
WITH 100 PERCENT, THAT THE      
MUSLIM COUNTRIES, I DISAGREE    
WITH 100 PERCENT, THAT THE      
DISCOURSE IS CURRENTLY          
WITH 100 PERCENT, THAT THE      
DISCOURSE IS CURRENTLY          
DOMINATED BY THOSE WHO DON'T    
DISCOURSE IS CURRENTLY          
DOMINATED BY THOSE WHO DON'T    
SEE ISLAM THE WAY FEISAL DOES   
DOMINATED BY THOSE WHO DON'T    
SEE ISLAM THE WAY FEISAL DOES   
, OR THE WAY PEOPLE             
SEE ISLAM THE WAY FEISAL DOES   
, OR THE WAY PEOPLE             
INTERPRET IT FROM FACEBOOK.     
, OR THE WAY PEOPLE             
INTERPRET IT FROM FACEBOOK.     
IF WE LOOK AT MIDDLE EAST,      
INTERPRET IT FROM FACEBOOK.     
IF WE LOOK AT MIDDLE EAST,      
SOUTH ASIA, WHEREVER            
IF WE LOOK AT MIDDLE EAST,      
SOUTH ASIA, WHEREVER            
MANAGEORITY MUSLIM COUNTRIES    
SOUTH ASIA, WHEREVER            
MANAGEORITY MUSLIM COUNTRIES    
ARE, THERE ARE HUGE ISSUES      
MANAGEORITY MUSLIM COUNTRIES    
ARE, THERE ARE HUGE ISSUES      
AROUND THE TOPICS.              
ARE, THERE ARE HUGE ISSUES      
AROUND THE TOPICS.              
AS I SAID, WHETHER IT'S THE     
AROUND THE TOPICS.              
AS I SAID, WHETHER IT'S THE     
POLITCYZATION OF THE FAITH      
AS I SAID, WHETHER IT'S THE     
POLITCYZATION OF THE FAITH      
AND THE GROUPS THAT EMANATE     
POLITCYZATION OF THE FAITH      
AND THE GROUPS THAT EMANATE     
FROM THAT STRAND, POLITICAL     
AND THE GROUPS THAT EMANATE     
FROM THAT STRAND, POLITICAL     
FORMS OF GROUPS RELATED TO      
FROM THAT STRAND, POLITICAL     
FORMS OF GROUPS RELATED TO      
THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD,         
FORMS OF GROUPS RELATED TO      
THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD,         
THROUGH TO THE REVOLUTIONARY    
THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD,         
THROUGH TO THE REVOLUTIONARY    
GROUPS, WHICH I BELONGED TO,    
THROUGH TO THE REVOLUTIONARY    
GROUPS, WHICH I BELONGED TO,    
ALL THE WAY TO THE VIOLENT      
GROUPS, WHICH I BELONGED TO,    
ALL THE WAY TO THE VIOLENT      
GROUPS, THE TERRORIST GROUPS,   
ALL THE WAY TO THE VIOLENT      
GROUPS, THE TERRORIST GROUPS,   
SUCH AS AL-QAEDA, THEY ALL      
GROUPS, THE TERRORIST GROUPS,   
SUCH AS AL-QAEDA, THEY ALL      
COME FROM THE STRAND OF         
SUCH AS AL-QAEDA, THEY ALL      
COME FROM THE STRAND OF         
ISLAMISM THAT IS DESCRIBED IN   
COME FROM THE STRAND OF         
ISLAMISM THAT IS DESCRIBED IN   
THE POLITIZATION OF ISLAM.      
ISLAMISM THAT IS DESCRIBED IN   
THE POLITIZATION OF ISLAM.      
THEN THERE ARE THE              
THE POLITIZATION OF ISLAM.      
THEN THERE ARE THE              
FUNDAMENTALS.                   
THEN THERE ARE THE              
FUNDAMENTALS.                   
THE GOVERNOR OF PUNJAB IN       
FUNDAMENTALS.                   
THE GOVERNOR OF PUNJAB IN       
PAKISTAN WAS ASSASSINATED BY    
THE GOVERNOR OF PUNJAB IN       
PAKISTAN WAS ASSASSINATED BY    
HIS OWN BODYGUARD BECAUSE HE    
PAKISTAN WAS ASSASSINATED BY    
HIS OWN BODYGUARD BECAUSE HE    
ATTEMPT TO REFORM THE           
HIS OWN BODYGUARD BECAUSE HE    
ATTEMPT TO REFORM THE           
BLASPHEMY LAW IN THAT           
ATTEMPT TO REFORM THE           
BLASPHEMY LAW IN THAT           
COUNTRY.                        
BLASPHEMY LAW IN THAT           
COUNTRY.                        
THE SAD FACT IS THAT THE VERY   
COUNTRY.                        
THE SAD FACT IS THAT THE VERY   
PEOPLE, THE VERY THAT HAVE      
THE SAD FACT IS THAT THE VERY   
PEOPLE, THE VERY THAT HAVE      
BEEN THE FEARSEST IN OPPOSING   
PEOPLE, THE VERY THAT HAVE      
BEEN THE FEARSEST IN OPPOSING   
-- FIERCEST IN OPPOSING THE     
BEEN THE FEARSEST IN OPPOSING   
-- FIERCEST IN OPPOSING THE     
STRAND IN PAKISTAN ALSO         
-- FIERCEST IN OPPOSING THE     
STRAND IN PAKISTAN ALSO         
PRODUCED THE ASSASSIN OF        
STRAND IN PAKISTAN ALSO         
PRODUCED THE ASSASSIN OF        
PUNJAB BECAUSE THEY ARE ULTRA   
PRODUCED THE ASSASSIN OF        
PUNJAB BECAUSE THEY ARE ULTRA   
CONSERVATIVE AND THE ONE        
PUNJAB BECAUSE THEY ARE ULTRA   
CONSERVATIVE AND THE ONE        
THING THAT FUELS THEIR FIRE     
CONSERVATIVE AND THE ONE        
THING THAT FUELS THEIR FIRE     
AND ANGERS THEM IS              
THING THAT FUELS THEIR FIRE     
AND ANGERS THEM IS              
QUESTIONING THE BLASPHEMY       
AND ANGERS THEM IS              
QUESTIONING THE BLASPHEMY       
LAW.                            
QUESTIONING THE BLASPHEMY       
LAW.                            
THAT'S THE SECOND STRAND I      
LAW.                            
THAT'S THE SECOND STRAND I      
ADDRESS, WHICH IS THE           
THAT'S THE SECOND STRAND I      
ADDRESS, WHICH IS THE           
FUNDAMENTALIST STRAND.          
ADDRESS, WHICH IS THE           
FUNDAMENTALIST STRAND.          
IN OUR OWN ANALYSIS OF WHAT     
FUNDAMENTALIST STRAND.          
IN OUR OWN ANALYSIS OF WHAT     
THE PROBLEM IS, I WOULD AGREE   
IN OUR OWN ANALYSIS OF WHAT     
THE PROBLEM IS, I WOULD AGREE   
WITH HER, BUT THEN WHEN AAYAN   
THE PROBLEM IS, I WOULD AGREE   
WITH HER, BUT THEN WHEN AAYAN   
GOES BACK AND SAYS THE CAUSE    
WITH HER, BUT THEN WHEN AAYAN   
GOES BACK AND SAYS THE CAUSE    
FOR THAT PROBLEM IS SOMEHOW     
GOES BACK AND SAYS THE CAUSE    
FOR THAT PROBLEM IS SOMEHOW     
TO BE FOUND ONLY IN THE         
FOR THAT PROBLEM IS SOMEHOW     
TO BE FOUND ONLY IN THE         
RELIGION OF ISLAM,              
TO BE FOUND ONLY IN THE         
RELIGION OF ISLAM,              
EXCLUSIVELY --                  
RELIGION OF ISLAM,              
EXCLUSIVELY --                  
>> NO, NO, NO.                  
EXCLUSIVELY --                  
>> NO, NO, NO.                  
THE SUBJECT TONIGHT IS IS THE   
>> NO, NO, NO.                  
THE SUBJECT TONIGHT IS IS THE   
RELIGION OF ISLAM ONE OF        
THE SUBJECT TONIGHT IS IS THE   
RELIGION OF ISLAM ONE OF        
PEACE OR ONE OF VIOLENCE.       
RELIGION OF ISLAM ONE OF        
PEACE OR ONE OF VIOLENCE.       
>> RIGHT.                       
PEACE OR ONE OF VIOLENCE.       
>> RIGHT.                       
>> SO THE FAITH IS -- IT --     
>> RIGHT.                       
>> SO THE FAITH IS -- IT --     
IT IS NOT OTHER RELIGIONS.      
>> SO THE FAITH IS -- IT --     
IT IS NOT OTHER RELIGIONS.      
I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT TO       
IT IS NOT OTHER RELIGIONS.      
I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT TO       
TALK ABOUT THE VIOLENCE, BUT    
I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT TO       
TALK ABOUT THE VIOLENCE, BUT    
I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO     
TALK ABOUT THE VIOLENCE, BUT    
I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO     
CONTINUE TO --                  
I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO     
CONTINUE TO --                  
>> MAAJID --                    
CONTINUE TO --                  
>> MAAJID --                    
>> LET HIM FINISH.              
>> MAAJID --                    
>> LET HIM FINISH.              
>> WE MUST BE CONSISTENT.       
>> LET HIM FINISH.              
>> WE MUST BE CONSISTENT.       
EITHER THE PROBLEM IS           
>> WE MUST BE CONSISTENT.       
EITHER THE PROBLEM IS           
RELIGION, PER SE, OR IF WE      
EITHER THE PROBLEM IS           
RELIGION, PER SE, OR IF WE      
DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT, IF WE   
RELIGION, PER SE, OR IF WE      
DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT, IF WE   
DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT EVERY    
DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT, IF WE   
DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT EVERY    
SINGLE RELIGION -- AND THERE    
DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT EVERY    
SINGLE RELIGION -- AND THERE    
ARE PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT.       
SINGLE RELIGION -- AND THERE    
ARE PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT.       
RICHARD DAWKINS IS ONE OF       
ARE PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT.       
RICHARD DAWKINS IS ONE OF       
THEM.                           
RICHARD DAWKINS IS ONE OF       
THEM.                           
HE IS AS CONSISTENT AGAINST     
THEM.                           
HE IS AS CONSISTENT AGAINST     
CHRISTIANITY AS ISLAM, AND      
HE IS AS CONSISTENT AGAINST     
CHRISTIANITY AS ISLAM, AND      
ALL FAITHS.                     
CHRISTIANITY AS ISLAM, AND      
ALL FAITHS.                     
WE SAY OKAY, THE PROBLEM        
ALL FAITHS.                     
WE SAY OKAY, THE PROBLEM        
ISN'T RELIGION, PER SE, THEN    
WE SAY OKAY, THE PROBLEM        
ISN'T RELIGION, PER SE, THEN    
IT MUST BE ABOUT THE WAY THAT   
ISN'T RELIGION, PER SE, THEN    
IT MUST BE ABOUT THE WAY THAT   
RELIGION IS INTERPRETED, AND    
IT MUST BE ABOUT THE WAY THAT   
RELIGION IS INTERPRETED, AND    
IF THAT'S THE POINT, THEN I     
RELIGION IS INTERPRETED, AND    
IF THAT'S THE POINT, THEN I     
DISAGREE WITH AAYAN THAT        
IF THAT'S THE POINT, THEN I     
DISAGREE WITH AAYAN THAT        
TODAY, TODAY, THERE ARE         
DISAGREE WITH AAYAN THAT        
TODAY, TODAY, THERE ARE         
SERIOUS CHALLENGES WITH THE     
TODAY, TODAY, THERE ARE         
SERIOUS CHALLENGES WITH THE     
WAY ISLAM IS INTERPRETED.       
SERIOUS CHALLENGES WITH THE     
WAY ISLAM IS INTERPRETED.       
I WISH MUSLIMS WERE DOING       
WAY ISLAM IS INTERPRETED.       
I WISH MUSLIMS WERE DOING       
MORE TO CHALLENGE THOSE         
I WISH MUSLIMS WERE DOING       
MORE TO CHALLENGE THOSE         
INTERPRETATIONS, BUT IN THE     
MORE TO CHALLENGE THOSE         
INTERPRETATIONS, BUT IN THE     
POLITICAL SENSE, BUT ALSO, IN   
INTERPRETATIONS, BUT IN THE     
POLITICAL SENSE, BUT ALSO, IN   
THE SOCIAL SENSE.               
POLITICAL SENSE, BUT ALSO, IN   
THE SOCIAL SENSE.               
WE NEED TO HEAR MORE VOICES     
THE SOCIAL SENSE.               
WE NEED TO HEAR MORE VOICES     
SPEAK OUT.                      
WE NEED TO HEAR MORE VOICES     
SPEAK OUT.                      
THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY      
SPEAK OUT.                      
THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY      
THEY DON'T.                     
THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY      
THEY DON'T.                     
>> WHAT ARE THE REASONS?        
THEY DON'T.                     
>> WHAT ARE THE REASONS?        
>> WELL, TWO OF US ON THIS      
>> WHAT ARE THE REASONS?        
>> WELL, TWO OF US ON THIS      
STAGE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT       
>> WELL, TWO OF US ON THIS      
STAGE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT       
IMAM, FORGIVE ME, BUT I HOPE    
STAGE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT       
IMAM, FORGIVE ME, BUT I HOPE    
I'M MISTAKEN, BUT AAYAN BOTH    
IMAM, FORGIVE ME, BUT I HOPE    
I'M MISTAKEN, BUT AAYAN BOTH    
HAVE DEATH THREATS ON OUR       
I'M MISTAKEN, BUT AAYAN BOTH    
HAVE DEATH THREATS ON OUR       
LIVES AND THE REASON FOR        
HAVE DEATH THREATS ON OUR       
LIVES AND THE REASON FOR        
THAT, LAST MONTH, AFTER THE     
LIVES AND THE REASON FOR        
THAT, LAST MONTH, AFTER THE     
KENYA MALL ATTACK --            
THAT, LAST MONTH, AFTER THE     
KENYA MALL ATTACK --            
>> WE KNOW IT'S A FACT THAT     
KENYA MALL ATTACK --            
>> WE KNOW IT'S A FACT THAT     
YOU ARE BOTH UNDER DEATH        
>> WE KNOW IT'S A FACT THAT     
YOU ARE BOTH UNDER DEATH        
THREATS FOR SPEAKING THE WAY    
YOU ARE BOTH UNDER DEATH        
THREATS FOR SPEAKING THE WAY    
YOU'RE SPEAKING THAT RAISES     
THREATS FOR SPEAKING THE WAY    
YOU'RE SPEAKING THAT RAISES     
THE SPECTER OF THE NOTION OF    
YOU'RE SPEAKING THAT RAISES     
THE SPECTER OF THE NOTION OF    
ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF          
THE SPECTER OF THE NOTION OF    
ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF          
VIOLENCE, IT'S A VERY BAD       
ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF          
VIOLENCE, IT'S A VERY BAD       
HEADLINE.                       
VIOLENCE, IT'S A VERY BAD       
HEADLINE.                       
>> WELL, THAT'S A POINT, BUT    
HEADLINE.                       
>> WELL, THAT'S A POINT, BUT    
OF COURSE --                    
>> WELL, THAT'S A POINT, BUT    
OF COURSE --                    
>> THAT'S REALLY WHY WE'RE      
OF COURSE --                    
>> THAT'S REALLY WHY WE'RE      
HERE, TO HEAR WHY THAT'S NOT    
>> THAT'S REALLY WHY WE'RE      
HERE, TO HEAR WHY THAT'S NOT    
TRUE.                           
HERE, TO HEAR WHY THAT'S NOT    
TRUE.                           
>> THAT'S A POINT THAT WOULD    
TRUE.                           
>> THAT'S A POINT THAT WOULD    
RESONATE.                       
>> THAT'S A POINT THAT WOULD    
RESONATE.                       
LET'S REMEMBER ONE THING.       
RESONATE.                       
LET'S REMEMBER ONE THING.       
IT TAKES ONE PERSON AND THEIR   
LET'S REMEMBER ONE THING.       
IT TAKES ONE PERSON AND THEIR   
DOG TO ISSUE A DEATH THREAT,    
IT TAKES ONE PERSON AND THEIR   
DOG TO ISSUE A DEATH THREAT,    
FRANKLY.                        
DOG TO ISSUE A DEATH THREAT,    
FRANKLY.                        
THE IT DOESN'T MEAN THE         
FRANKLY.                        
THE IT DOESN'T MEAN THE         
MAJORITY WANT TO SHOOT US.      
THE IT DOESN'T MEAN THE         
MAJORITY WANT TO SHOOT US.      
IT MEANS THERE ARE GROUPS       
MAJORITY WANT TO SHOOT US.      
IT MEANS THERE ARE GROUPS       
OUT.                            
IT MEANS THERE ARE GROUPS       
OUT.                            
>> I TAKE THAT POINT            
OUT.                            
>> I TAKE THAT POINT            
COMPLETELY.                     
>> I TAKE THAT POINT            
COMPLETELY.                     
THIS IS THE THING I KEEP        
COMPLETELY.                     
THIS IS THE THING I KEEP        
ASKING MYSELF.                  
THIS IS THE THING I KEEP        
ASKING MYSELF.                  
IF YOU ALL AGREE, YOU ALL       
ASKING MYSELF.                  
IF YOU ALL AGREE, YOU ALL       
WILL STIPULATE THE MAJORITY     
IF YOU ALL AGREE, YOU ALL       
WILL STIPULATE THE MAJORITY     
OF MUSLIMS ARE NOT INVOLVED     
WILL STIPULATE THE MAJORITY     
OF MUSLIMS ARE NOT INVOLVED     
IN VIOLENCE OR INTERESTED IN    
OF MUSLIMS ARE NOT INVOLVED     
IN VIOLENCE OR INTERESTED IN    
BEING INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE,     
IN VIOLENCE OR INTERESTED IN    
BEING INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE,     
AND IF THE BEHAVIORS OF THE     
BEING INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE,     
AND IF THE BEHAVIORS OF THE     
PEOPLE OF A PARTICULAR FAITH    
AND IF THE BEHAVIORS OF THE     
PEOPLE OF A PARTICULAR FAITH    
IN MY MIND WOULD DEFINE THAT    
PEOPLE OF A PARTICULAR FAITH    
IN MY MIND WOULD DEFINE THAT    
FAITH, THEN WHY DOES THAT NOT   
IN MY MIND WOULD DEFINE THAT    
FAITH, THEN WHY DOES THAT NOT   
TELL US BY THE VIRTUE OF THE    
FAITH, THEN WHY DOES THAT NOT   
TELL US BY THE VIRTUE OF THE    
FACT THAT MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT   
TELL US BY THE VIRTUE OF THE    
FACT THAT MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT   
WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN          
FACT THAT MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT   
WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN          
VIOLENCE THAT IT IS NOT A       
WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN          
VIOLENCE THAT IT IS NOT A       
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?           
VIOLENCE THAT IT IS NOT A       
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?           
YOU WALK LIKE A DUCK AND TALK   
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?           
YOU WALK LIKE A DUCK AND TALK   
LIKE A DUCK.                    
YOU WALK LIKE A DUCK AND TALK   
LIKE A DUCK.                    
>> YOU WALK LIKE IT, YES.       
LIKE A DUCK.                    
>> YOU WALK LIKE IT, YES.       
>> THE VIOLENT ONES ARE THE     
>> YOU WALK LIKE IT, YES.       
>> THE VIOLENT ONES ARE THE     
ONES THAT GET THE NEWS          
>> THE VIOLENT ONES ARE THE     
ONES THAT GET THE NEWS          
HEADLINES.                      
ONES THAT GET THE NEWS          
HEADLINES.                      
>> RIGHT.                       
HEADLINES.                      
>> RIGHT.                       
>> I DON'T GET -- YOU DON'T     
>> RIGHT.                       
>> I DON'T GET -- YOU DON'T     
GET ATTENTION BECAUSE OF        
>> I DON'T GET -- YOU DON'T     
GET ATTENTION BECAUSE OF        
BEING MODERATE OR PROMOTING     
GET ATTENTION BECAUSE OF        
BEING MODERATE OR PROMOTING     
PEACE.                          
BEING MODERATE OR PROMOTING     
PEACE.                          
YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE           
PEACE.                          
YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE           
ATTENTION WHEN YOU COMMIT       
YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE           
ATTENTION WHEN YOU COMMIT       
ACTS OF VIOLENCE.               
ATTENTION WHEN YOU COMMIT       
ACTS OF VIOLENCE.               
>> WELL, ISAAC RABIN WAS SHOT   
ACTS OF VIOLENCE.               
>> WELL, ISAAC RABIN WAS SHOT   
BY A FANATIC JEWISH EXTREMIST   
>> WELL, ISAAC RABIN WAS SHOT   
BY A FANATIC JEWISH EXTREMIST   
AND NOBODY LEAPS FROM THAT      
BY A FANATIC JEWISH EXTREMIST   
AND NOBODY LEAPS FROM THAT      
THINKING THAT JUDAISM IS AN     
AND NOBODY LEAPS FROM THAT      
THINKING THAT JUDAISM IS AN     
EXTREMELY VIOLENT RELIGION,     
THINKING THAT JUDAISM IS AN     
EXTREMELY VIOLENT RELIGION,     
EVEN THOUGH THAT YOUNG MAN      
EXTREMELY VIOLENT RELIGION,     
EVEN THOUGH THAT YOUNG MAN      
BROUGHT -- ESSENTIALLY BRINGS   
EVEN THOUGH THAT YOUNG MAN      
BROUGHT -- ESSENTIALLY BRINGS   
THE TEXT TO HIS ACTIONS.        
BROUGHT -- ESSENTIALLY BRINGS   
THE TEXT TO HIS ACTIONS.        
YET, THAT LEAP IS OFTEN MADE    
THE TEXT TO HIS ACTIONS.        
YET, THAT LEAP IS OFTEN MADE    
AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND    
YET, THAT LEAP IS OFTEN MADE    
AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND    
THAT.                           
AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND    
THAT.                           
>> I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE      
THAT.                           
>> I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE      
CAN'T --                        
>> I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE      
CAN'T --                        
>> I ACTUALLY WANT TO PUT THE   
CAN'T --                        
>> I ACTUALLY WANT TO PUT THE   
QUESTION TO IMAM FEISAL AND     
>> I ACTUALLY WANT TO PUT THE   
QUESTION TO IMAM FEISAL AND     
THEN I'LL COME TO YOU.          
QUESTION TO IMAM FEISAL AND     
THEN I'LL COME TO YOU.          
>> THAT LINK IS NOT MADE        
THEN I'LL COME TO YOU.          
>> THAT LINK IS NOT MADE        
BECAUSE AS CHRISTIANS AND       
>> THAT LINK IS NOT MADE        
BECAUSE AS CHRISTIANS AND       
JEWS, YOU GET IT.               
BECAUSE AS CHRISTIANS AND       
JEWS, YOU GET IT.               
YOU UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL    
JEWS, YOU GET IT.               
YOU UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL    
MOTIVATION BEHIND IT.           
YOU UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL    
MOTIVATION BEHIND IT.           
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS    
MOTIVATION BEHIND IT.           
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS    
DID NOT MAKE THAT LINK,         
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS    
DID NOT MAKE THAT LINK,         
EITHER.                         
DID NOT MAKE THAT LINK,         
EITHER.                         
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS    
EITHER.                         
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS    
SEE THESE THINGS AS NOT         
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS    
SEE THESE THINGS AS NOT         
INTERPRETING THE LIG OF ISLAM   
SEE THESE THINGS AS NOT         
INTERPRETING THE LIG OF ISLAM   
OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF         
INTERPRETING THE LIG OF ISLAM   
OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF         
ISLAM, LIKE THE MAJORITY OF     
OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF         
ISLAM, LIKE THE MAJORITY OF     
JEWS WOULD NOT CONSIDER THE     
ISLAM, LIKE THE MAJORITY OF     
JEWS WOULD NOT CONSIDER THE     
ASSASSIN OF ISAAC RABIN AS      
JEWS WOULD NOT CONSIDER THE     
ASSASSIN OF ISAAC RABIN AS      
EXPRESSING THE JEWISH FAITH.    
ASSASSIN OF ISAAC RABIN AS      
EXPRESSING THE JEWISH FAITH.    
THIS IS VERY MUCH THE CASE      
EXPRESSING THE JEWISH FAITH.    
THIS IS VERY MUCH THE CASE      
WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE   
THIS IS VERY MUCH THE CASE      
WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE   
MUSLIM WORLD.                   
WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE   
MUSLIM WORLD.                   
>> SO IT'S -- WHAT YOU ARE      
MUSLIM WORLD.                   
>> SO IT'S -- WHAT YOU ARE      
REALLY SAYING IS IT'S OUR --    
>> SO IT'S -- WHAT YOU ARE      
REALLY SAYING IS IT'S OUR --    
I'M TALKING COLLECTIVELY --     
REALLY SAYING IS IT'S OUR --    
I'M TALKING COLLECTIVELY --     
OUR CULTURE HERE, IT'S POWER    
I'M TALKING COLLECTIVELY --     
OUR CULTURE HERE, IT'S POWER    
IN NOT KNOWING ENOUGH ABOUT     
OUR CULTURE HERE, IT'S POWER    
IN NOT KNOWING ENOUGH ABOUT     
ISLAM OR MUSLIMS.               
IN NOT KNOWING ENOUGH ABOUT     
ISLAM OR MUSLIMS.               
>> IT'S ABOUT THE WAY           
ISLAM OR MUSLIMS.               
>> IT'S ABOUT THE WAY           
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED.         
>> IT'S ABOUT THE WAY           
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED.         
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED BY       
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED.         
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED BY       
EVENTS.                         
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED BY       
EVENTS.                         
VERY MUCH.                      
EVENTS.                         
VERY MUCH.                      
FOR MOST PEOPLE.                
VERY MUCH.                      
FOR MOST PEOPLE.                
JUST LIKE WHEN I'M IN MUSLIM    
FOR MOST PEOPLE.                
JUST LIKE WHEN I'M IN MUSLIM    
COUNTRIES, THEY SAY WHY IS      
JUST LIKE WHEN I'M IN MUSLIM    
COUNTRIES, THEY SAY WHY IS      
AMERICA ATTACKING ISLAM.        
COUNTRIES, THEY SAY WHY IS      
AMERICA ATTACKING ISLAM.        
THEY VIEW THAT.                 
AMERICA ATTACKING ISLAM.        
THEY VIEW THAT.                 
WHY?                            
THEY VIEW THAT.                 
WHY?                            
BECAUSE WHEN SOME MAJOR IN      
WHY?                            
BECAUSE WHEN SOME MAJOR IN      
THE MILITARY SAYS THERE IS A    
BECAUSE WHEN SOME MAJOR IN      
THE MILITARY SAYS THERE IS A    
CRUSADE AGAINST ISLAM, THAT     
THE MILITARY SAYS THERE IS A    
CRUSADE AGAINST ISLAM, THAT     
GETS A HEADLINE IN THE MUSLIM   
CRUSADE AGAINST ISLAM, THAT     
GETS A HEADLINE IN THE MUSLIM   
WORLD, SO THAT SHAPES           
GETS A HEADLINE IN THE MUSLIM   
WORLD, SO THAT SHAPES           
PERCEPTION.                     
WORLD, SO THAT SHAPES           
PERCEPTION.                     
>> IS IT THE VIEW IN THE        
PERCEPTION.                     
>> IS IT THE VIEW IN THE        
MUSLIM WORLD THAT THIS          
>> IS IT THE VIEW IN THE        
MUSLIM WORLD THAT THIS          
COUNTRY, OUR COUNTRY, IS        
MUSLIM WORLD THAT THIS          
COUNTRY, OUR COUNTRY, IS        
DEDICATED TO DESTROYING         
COUNTRY, OUR COUNTRY, IS        
DEDICATED TO DESTROYING         
ISLAM?                          
DEDICATED TO DESTROYING         
ISLAM?                          
>> THERE ARE LARGE NUMBERS OF   
ISLAM?                          
>> THERE ARE LARGE NUMBERS OF   
PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WAY,       
>> THERE ARE LARGE NUMBERS OF   
PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WAY,       
BASED UPON THESE TYPES OF       
PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WAY,       
BASED UPON THESE TYPES OF       
HEADLINES.                      
BASED UPON THESE TYPES OF       
HEADLINES.                      
THIS IS WHY I SAID THAT THE     
HEADLINES.                      
THIS IS WHY I SAID THAT THE     
CYCLE OF EXTREMIST ACTIONS      
THIS IS WHY I SAID THAT THE     
CYCLE OF EXTREMIST ACTIONS      
AND EXTREMIST STATEMENTS GET    
CYCLE OF EXTREMIST ACTIONS      
AND EXTREMIST STATEMENTS GET    
THE BANNER HEADLINES IN EACH    
AND EXTREMIST STATEMENTS GET    
THE BANNER HEADLINES IN EACH    
COUNTRY.                        
THE BANNER HEADLINES IN EACH    
COUNTRY.                        
SO WHEN AN AYATOLLAH IN IRAN,   
COUNTRY.                        
SO WHEN AN AYATOLLAH IN IRAN,   
SAYS DEATH TO AMERICA, THIS     
SO WHEN AN AYATOLLAH IN IRAN,   
SAYS DEATH TO AMERICA, THIS     
SCARES AMERICANS, AND           
SAYS DEATH TO AMERICA, THIS     
SCARES AMERICANS, AND           
AMERICANS GET THIS IMAGE THAT   
SCARES AMERICANS, AND           
AMERICANS GET THIS IMAGE THAT   
THE IRANIANS ARE OUT TO         
AMERICANS GET THIS IMAGE THAT   
THE IRANIANS ARE OUT TO         
DESTROY, AND ISLAM IS ABOUT     
THE IRANIANS ARE OUT TO         
DESTROY, AND ISLAM IS ABOUT     
DESTROYING AMERICA.             
DESTROY, AND ISLAM IS ABOUT     
DESTROYING AMERICA.             
THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A      
DESTROYING AMERICA.             
THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A      
MILITARY GENERAL WHO SAYS       
THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A      
MILITARY GENERAL WHO SAYS       
THIS, THEN SOMEBODY COMMITS     
MILITARY GENERAL WHO SAYS       
THIS, THEN SOMEBODY COMMITS     
AN ACT OF VIOLENCE.             
THIS, THEN SOMEBODY COMMITS     
AN ACT OF VIOLENCE.             
THAT GETS THE HEADLINES OVER    
AN ACT OF VIOLENCE.             
THAT GETS THE HEADLINES OVER    
HERE.                           
THAT GETS THE HEADLINES OVER    
HERE.                           
THEN YOU HAVE A PASTOR WHO      
HERE.                           
THEN YOU HAVE A PASTOR WHO      
HAS ONLY 30 PEOPLE IN FLORIDA   
THEN YOU HAVE A PASTOR WHO      
HAS ONLY 30 PEOPLE IN FLORIDA   
SAYING BURN THE CURAN AND IT    
HAS ONLY 30 PEOPLE IN FLORIDA   
SAYING BURN THE CURAN AND IT    
RESULTS IN ACTS OF VIOLENCE.    
SAYING BURN THE CURAN AND IT    
RESULTS IN ACTS OF VIOLENCE.    
SO THE MEDIA, GRABBING THESE    
RESULTS IN ACTS OF VIOLENCE.    
SO THE MEDIA, GRABBING THESE    
EXTREMIST EVENTS, HELPS         
SO THE MEDIA, GRABBING THESE    
EXTREMIST EVENTS, HELPS         
SHAPES PERCEPTIONS AND CREATE   
EXTREMIST EVENTS, HELPS         
SHAPES PERCEPTIONS AND CREATE   
THIS SENSE OF RESRULGS THAT     
SHAPES PERCEPTIONS AND CREATE   
THIS SENSE OF RESRULGS THAT     
PEOPLE HAVE, AND THE            
THIS SENSE OF RESRULGS THAT     
PEOPLE HAVE, AND THE            
TENDENCY, THEN, TO JUST WHITE   
PEOPLE HAVE, AND THE            
TENDENCY, THEN, TO JUST WHITE   
WASH.                           
TENDENCY, THEN, TO JUST WHITE   
WASH.                           
AND TO SAY, WELL, AMERICA IS    
WASH.                           
AND TO SAY, WELL, AMERICA IS    
AGAINST US OR THE WEST IS       
AND TO SAY, WELL, AMERICA IS    
AGAINST US OR THE WEST IS       
AGAINST US.                     
AGAINST US OR THE WEST IS       
AGAINST US.                     
>> YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.    
AGAINST US.                     
>> YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.    
GO AHEAD.                       
>> YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.    
GO AHEAD.                       
>> I'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.      
GO AHEAD.                       
>> I'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.      
THANK YOU.                      
>> I'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.      
THANK YOU.                      
>> SO IS IT THE PACKAGING?      
THANK YOU.                      
>> SO IS IT THE PACKAGING?      
THE MARKETING?                  
>> SO IS IT THE PACKAGING?      
THE MARKETING?                  
OR IS IT THE SUBSTANCE?         
THE MARKETING?                  
OR IS IT THE SUBSTANCE?         
>> IN AMERICA, IN THE           
OR IS IT THE SUBSTANCE?         
>> IN AMERICA, IN THE           
AMERICAN WORLD, THERE ARE       
>> IN AMERICA, IN THE           
AMERICAN WORLD, THERE ARE       
CONTINUOUS DEBATES ABOUT THE    
AMERICAN WORLD, THERE ARE       
CONTINUOUS DEBATES ABOUT THE    
PLACE OF MUSLIMS.               
CONTINUOUS DEBATES ABOUT THE    
PLACE OF MUSLIMS.               
ANDOUS, AMONGST MUSLIMS IN      
PLACE OF MUSLIMS.               
ANDOUS, AMONGST MUSLIMS IN      
THE WEST AND AMONGST MUSLIMS    
ANDOUS, AMONGST MUSLIMS IN      
THE WEST AND AMONGST MUSLIMS    
OUTSIDE OF THE WEST, THERE IS   
THE WEST AND AMONGST MUSLIMS    
OUTSIDE OF THE WEST, THERE IS   
THIS GENERAL BELIEF THAT        
OUTSIDE OF THE WEST, THERE IS   
THIS GENERAL BELIEF THAT        
ISLAM IS UNDER SEIGE AND THAT   
THIS GENERAL BELIEF THAT        
ISLAM IS UNDER SEIGE AND THAT   
AMERICANS WANT TO DESTROY       
ISLAM IS UNDER SEIGE AND THAT   
AMERICANS WANT TO DESTROY       
ISLAM.                          
AMERICANS WANT TO DESTROY       
ISLAM.                          
THAT IS PERCEPTION, BECAUSE     
ISLAM.                          
THAT IS PERCEPTION, BECAUSE     
IT'S NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS.    
THAT IS PERCEPTION, BECAUSE     
IT'S NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS.    
NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ISLAM,    
IT'S NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS.    
NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ISLAM,    
LOOK AT ISLAMIC COUNTRIES       
NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ISLAM,    
LOOK AT ISLAMIC COUNTRIES       
LIKE PAKISTAN, THEY HAVE        
LOOK AT ISLAMIC COUNTRIES       
LIKE PAKISTAN, THEY HAVE        
BLASPHEMY LAWS, THE             
LIKE PAKISTAN, THEY HAVE        
BLASPHEMY LAWS, THE             
CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN IS     
BLASPHEMY LAWS, THE             
CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN IS     
DERIVED FROM THE CURAN OR THE   
CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN IS     
DERIVED FROM THE CURAN OR THE   
HADITH.                         
DERIVED FROM THE CURAN OR THE   
HADITH.                         
THE CONSTITUTION OF IRAN IS     
HADITH.                         
THE CONSTITUTION OF IRAN IS     
ISLAMIC.                        
THE CONSTITUTION OF IRAN IS     
ISLAMIC.                        
THE CONSTITUTION OF SAUDI       
ISLAMIC.                        
THE CONSTITUTION OF SAUDI       
ARABIA IS THE CURAN.            
THE CONSTITUTION OF SAUDI       
ARABIA IS THE CURAN.            
YOU LOOK AT MUSLIMS LIKE THE    
ARABIA IS THE CURAN.            
YOU LOOK AT MUSLIMS LIKE THE    
MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND          
YOU LOOK AT MUSLIMS LIKE THE    
MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND          
ISLAMISTS IN THE COUNTRIES      
MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND          
ISLAMISTS IN THE COUNTRIES      
THAT HAVE SPRUNG UP AFTER THE   
ISLAMISTS IN THE COUNTRIES      
THAT HAVE SPRUNG UP AFTER THE   
ARAB SPRING, AND THESE          
THAT HAVE SPRUNG UP AFTER THE   
ARAB SPRING, AND THESE          
MOVEMENTS WANT TO ORGANIZE      
ARAB SPRING, AND THESE          
MOVEMENTS WANT TO ORGANIZE      
SOCIETY ALONG RELIGIOUS         
MOVEMENTS WANT TO ORGANIZE      
SOCIETY ALONG RELIGIOUS         
LINES.                          
SOCIETY ALONG RELIGIOUS         
LINES.                          
THIS CONFLATION BETWEEN         
LINES.                          
THIS CONFLATION BETWEEN         
POLITICS AND RELIGION, THIS     
THIS CONFLATION BETWEEN         
POLITICS AND RELIGION, THIS     
IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M       
POLITICS AND RELIGION, THIS     
IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M       
IMAGINING.                      
IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M       
IMAGINING.                      
IT'S NOT A PACKAGING PROBLEM.   
IMAGINING.                      
IT'S NOT A PACKAGING PROBLEM.   
IT'S SUBSTANTIAL.               
IT'S NOT A PACKAGING PROBLEM.   
IT'S SUBSTANTIAL.               
WHEN YOU GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF    
IT'S SUBSTANTIAL.               
WHEN YOU GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF    
THE MURDERER OF ISAAC RABIN,    
WHEN YOU GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF    
THE MURDERER OF ISAAC RABIN,    
HE IS THE FRINGE.               
THE MURDERER OF ISAAC RABIN,    
HE IS THE FRINGE.               
THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS NOT --   
HE IS THE FRINGE.               
THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS NOT --   
>> AND HE IS IN JAIL.           
THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS NOT --   
>> AND HE IS IN JAIL.           
>> AND HE IS IN JAIL.           
>> AND HE IS IN JAIL.           
>> AND HE IS IN JAIL.           
THE CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS HERE   
>> AND HE IS IN JAIL.           
THE CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS HERE   
IN THE UNITED STATES WHO TAKE   
THE CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS HERE   
IN THE UNITED STATES WHO TAKE   
THE BIBLE AND THEN USE IT TO    
IN THE UNITED STATES WHO TAKE   
THE BIBLE AND THEN USE IT TO    
KILL PEOPLE AND HURT PEOPLE,    
THE BIBLE AND THEN USE IT TO    
KILL PEOPLE AND HURT PEOPLE,    
THEY ARE THE FRINGE.            
KILL PEOPLE AND HURT PEOPLE,    
THEY ARE THE FRINGE.            
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE      
THEY ARE THE FRINGE.            
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE      
ARE SEEING IN MUSLIM            
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE      
ARE SEEING IN MUSLIM            
COUNTRIES IS THAT THE PEOPLE    
ARE SEEING IN MUSLIM            
COUNTRIES IS THAT THE PEOPLE    
WHO FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE    
COUNTRIES IS THAT THE PEOPLE    
WHO FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE    
GOVERNED UNDER THE SHARIA LAW   
WHO FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE    
GOVERNED UNDER THE SHARIA LAW   
ARE NOT THE FRINGE.             
GOVERNED UNDER THE SHARIA LAW   
ARE NOT THE FRINGE.             
IN SOME COUNTRIES, THEY ARE     
ARE NOT THE FRINGE.             
IN SOME COUNTRIES, THEY ARE     
MAINSTREAM.                     
IN SOME COUNTRIES, THEY ARE     
MAINSTREAM.                     
IN SOME CUBS -- COUNTRIES,      
MAINSTREAM.                     
IN SOME CUBS -- COUNTRIES,      
THEY ARE A MINORITY.            
IN SOME CUBS -- COUNTRIES,      
THEY ARE A MINORITY.            
BUT IN ANY CASE, IT'S A HUGE    
THEY ARE A MINORITY.            
BUT IN ANY CASE, IT'S A HUGE    
OBSTACLE THAT CANNOT BE         
BUT IN ANY CASE, IT'S A HUGE    
OBSTACLE THAT CANNOT BE         
IGNORED, AND ISLAM CAN BECOME   
OBSTACLE THAT CANNOT BE         
IGNORED, AND ISLAM CAN BECOME   
A RELIGION OF PEACE IF          
IGNORED, AND ISLAM CAN BECOME   
A RELIGION OF PEACE IF          
POLITICS IS DIVORCED FROM       
A RELIGION OF PEACE IF          
POLITICS IS DIVORCED FROM       
RELIGION.                       
POLITICS IS DIVORCED FROM       
RELIGION.                       
IF SCIENCE IS DIVORCED FROM     
RELIGION.                       
IF SCIENCE IS DIVORCED FROM     
RELIGION.                       
IF SCIENCE IS DIVORCED FROM     
RELIGION.                       
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
RELIGION.                       
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> FOR THAT, WE NEED ARE        
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> FOR THAT, WE NEED ARE        
REFORMATION.                    
>> FOR THAT, WE NEED ARE        
REFORMATION.                    
>> ONE THING THAT I AGREE       
REFORMATION.                    
>> ONE THING THAT I AGREE       
WITH, WITH THE CONCLUSION,      
>> ONE THING THAT I AGREE       
WITH, WITH THE CONCLUSION,      
SORT OF THE UNDERSTANDING OF    
WITH, WITH THE CONCLUSION,      
SORT OF THE UNDERSTANDING OF    
THE SITUATION, BUT HERE'S MY    
SORT OF THE UNDERSTANDING OF    
THE SITUATION, BUT HERE'S MY    
ISSUE.                          
THE SITUATION, BUT HERE'S MY    
ISSUE.                          
APART FROM THE FACTUAL          
ISSUE.                          
APART FROM THE FACTUAL          
INACCURACIES, JUST AS A POINT   
APART FROM THE FACTUAL          
INACCURACIES, JUST AS A POINT   
OF FACT, THE BLASPHEMY LAW IN   
INACCURACIES, JUST AS A POINT   
OF FACT, THE BLASPHEMY LAW IN   
PAKISTAN, IS THE BRITISH        
OF FACT, THE BLASPHEMY LAW IN   
PAKISTAN, IS THE BRITISH        
INSTITUTED COLONIAL ERA         
PAKISTAN, IS THE BRITISH        
INSTITUTED COLONIAL ERA         
LEGACY UNDER THE BRITISH RAJ.   
INSTITUTED COLONIAL ERA         
LEGACY UNDER THE BRITISH RAJ.   
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ONE      
LEGACY UNDER THE BRITISH RAJ.   
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ONE      
CAN'T FIND SUPPORT FOR IT       
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ONE      
CAN'T FIND SUPPORT FOR IT       
WITHIN ISLAMIC TEST TEXT.       
CAN'T FIND SUPPORT FOR IT       
WITHIN ISLAMIC TEST TEXT.       
THAT'S A CORRECTION OF POINT    
WITHIN ISLAMIC TEST TEXT.       
THAT'S A CORRECTION OF POINT    
OF FACT.                        
THAT'S A CORRECTION OF POINT    
OF FACT.                        
BUT I DO ACCEPT THAT THERE      
OF FACT.                        
BUT I DO ACCEPT THAT THERE      
ARE ISLAMISTS OUT THERE THAT    
BUT I DO ACCEPT THAT THERE      
ARE ISLAMISTS OUT THERE THAT    
FIND SUPPORT FOR IT WITHIN      
ARE ISLAMISTS OUT THERE THAT    
FIND SUPPORT FOR IT WITHIN      
THE ISLAMIC TEXT.               
FIND SUPPORT FOR IT WITHIN      
THE ISLAMIC TEXT.               
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION   
THE ISLAMIC TEXT.               
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION   
THIS POINT ONLY BECAUSE IT      
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION   
THIS POINT ONLY BECAUSE IT      
TOUCHES ON WHAT IMAM FEISAL     
THIS POINT ONLY BECAUSE IT      
TOUCHES ON WHAT IMAM FEISAL     
SAID WHICH IS THE MIXTURE OF    
TOUCHES ON WHAT IMAM FEISAL     
SAID WHICH IS THE MIXTURE OF    
COLONIAL LEGACY AND ISLAMISM    
SAID WHICH IS THE MIXTURE OF    
COLONIAL LEGACY AND ISLAMISM    
IN THIS CONCOCTION, IS PART     
COLONIAL LEGACY AND ISLAMISM    
IN THIS CONCOCTION, IS PART     
OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE DEALING    
IN THIS CONCOCTION, IS PART     
OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE DEALING    
WITH.                           
OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE DEALING    
WITH.                           
HOWEVER, ON THE SECOND POINT,   
WITH.                           
HOWEVER, ON THE SECOND POINT,   
GOING FORWARD, IF WE ARE ABLE   
HOWEVER, ON THE SECOND POINT,   
GOING FORWARD, IF WE ARE ABLE   
TO RECOGNIZE THAT ISLAM CAN     
GOING FORWARD, IF WE ARE ABLE   
TO RECOGNIZE THAT ISLAM CAN     
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,     
TO RECOGNIZE THAT ISLAM CAN     
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,     
IF IT HAS A REFORMATION, THEN   
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,     
IF IT HAS A REFORMATION, THEN   
IT STRIKES ME THAT              
IF IT HAS A REFORMATION, THEN   
IT STRIKES ME THAT              
ESSENTIALLY -- WHICH I AGREE    
IT STRIKES ME THAT              
ESSENTIALLY -- WHICH I AGREE    
WITH AS WELL -- THAT            
ESSENTIALLY -- WHICH I AGREE    
WITH AS WELL -- THAT            
ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT MEANS       
WITH AS WELL -- THAT            
ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT MEANS       
THEN IS ISLAM ISN'T ACTUALLY    
ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT MEANS       
THEN IS ISLAM ISN'T ACTUALLY    
A RELIGION OF ANYTHING,         
THEN IS ISLAM ISN'T ACTUALLY    
A RELIGION OF ANYTHING,         
WHETHER WAR OR PEACE.           
A RELIGION OF ANYTHING,         
WHETHER WAR OR PEACE.           
IT'S A RELIGION.                
WHETHER WAR OR PEACE.           
IT'S A RELIGION.                
IF IT CAN HAVE A REFORMATION,   
IT'S A RELIGION.                
IF IT CAN HAVE A REFORMATION,   
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,     
IF IT CAN HAVE A REFORMATION,   
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,     
IT MEANS IT'S OPEN TO           
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,     
IT MEANS IT'S OPEN TO           
INTERPRETATION AND THE ONLY     
IT MEANS IT'S OPEN TO           
INTERPRETATION AND THE ONLY     
PROBLEM WE'RE DEALING WITH IS   
INTERPRETATION AND THE ONLY     
PROBLEM WE'RE DEALING WITH IS   
MODERN MUSLIMS ARE              
PROBLEM WE'RE DEALING WITH IS   
MODERN MUSLIMS ARE              
INTERPRETING IN THAT WAY,       
MODERN MUSLIMS ARE              
INTERPRETING IN THAT WAY,       
WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT I'M      
INTERPRETING IN THAT WAY,       
WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT I'M      
TRYING TO SAY, TODAY A. LOT     
WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT I'M      
TRYING TO SAY, TODAY A. LOT     
OF ACTIVE MUSLIMS DOMINATING    
TRYING TO SAY, TODAY A. LOT     
OF ACTIVE MUSLIMS DOMINATING    
THE DISCOURSE IN THE MIDDLE     
OF ACTIVE MUSLIMS DOMINATING    
THE DISCOURSE IN THE MIDDLE     
EAST ARE INTERPRETING A WAY     
THE DISCOURSE IN THE MIDDLE     
EAST ARE INTERPRETING A WAY     
THAT NO ONE ONLY PANEL, ON      
EAST ARE INTERPRETING A WAY     
THAT NO ONE ONLY PANEL, ON      
THIS STAGE WANT IT IS TO BE     
THAT NO ONE ONLY PANEL, ON      
THIS STAGE WANT IT IS TO BE     
INTERPRETED BUT THE MERE FACT   
THIS STAGE WANT IT IS TO BE     
INTERPRETED BUT THE MERE FACT   
THAT WE ENTERTAIN THE           
INTERPRETED BUT THE MERE FACT   
THAT WE ENTERTAIN THE           
POSSIBILITY IT CAN BE           
THAT WE ENTERTAIN THE           
POSSIBILITY IT CAN BE           
INTERPRETED IN A DIFFERENT      
POSSIBILITY IT CAN BE           
INTERPRETED IN A DIFFERENT      
WAY TELLS US WHERE THE          
INTERPRETED IN A DIFFERENT      
WAY TELLS US WHERE THE          
PROBLEM LIES.                   
WAY TELLS US WHERE THE          
PROBLEM LIES.                   
THE PROBLEM LIES IN THE WAY     
PROBLEM LIES.                   
THE PROBLEM LIES IN THE WAY     
THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERPRETING    
THE PROBLEM LIES IN THE WAY     
THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERPRETING    
IT.                             
THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERPRETING    
IT.                             
WE'VE GOT TO STOP HAND          
IT.                             
WE'VE GOT TO STOP HAND          
PICKING TEXTS IN THIS WAY TO    
WE'VE GOT TO STOP HAND          
PICKING TEXTS IN THIS WAY TO    
SAY THAT'S WHAT ISLAM IS OR     
PICKING TEXTS IN THIS WAY TO    
SAY THAT'S WHAT ISLAM IS OR     
THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS.          
SAY THAT'S WHAT ISLAM IS OR     
THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS.          
LET'S START LOOKING AT THE      
THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS.          
LET'S START LOOKING AT THE      
PEOPLE WHO INTERPRET IT.        
LET'S START LOOKING AT THE      
PEOPLE WHO INTERPRET IT.        
OTHERWISE, LOOK -- I DON'T      
PEOPLE WHO INTERPRET IT.        
OTHERWISE, LOOK -- I DON'T      
WANT TO MISS THE POINT.         
OTHERWISE, LOOK -- I DON'T      
WANT TO MISS THE POINT.         
TONY BLAIR AND GEORGE BUSH,     
WANT TO MISS THE POINT.         
TONY BLAIR AND GEORGE BUSH,     
WHEN THEY INVADED IRAQ, TONY    
TONY BLAIR AND GEORGE BUSH,     
WHEN THEY INVADED IRAQ, TONY    
BLAIR SAID IN GOD WE TRUST.     
WHEN THEY INVADED IRAQ, TONY    
BLAIR SAID IN GOD WE TRUST.     
WHEN HE ASKED IN THE            
BLAIR SAID IN GOD WE TRUST.     
WHEN HE ASKED IN THE            
INTERVIEW DID YOU PRAY TO       
WHEN HE ASKED IN THE            
INTERVIEW DID YOU PRAY TO       
GOD, HE SAID GOD TOLD ME TO     
INTERVIEW DID YOU PRAY TO       
GOD, HE SAID GOD TOLD ME TO     
DO THIS.                        
GOD, HE SAID GOD TOLD ME TO     
DO THIS.                        
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WAS A    
DO THIS.                        
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WAS A    
RELIGIOUS INVASION, BUT IN      
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WAS A    
RELIGIOUS INVASION, BUT IN      
THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN          
RELIGIOUS INVASION, BUT IN      
THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN          
PAKISTAN, WHENEVER I GO         
THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN          
PAKISTAN, WHENEVER I GO         
THERE, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR.      
PAKISTAN, WHENEVER I GO         
THERE, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR.      
I HEAR YOUNG PEOPLE IN          
THERE, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR.      
I HEAR YOUNG PEOPLE IN          
PAKISTAN SAYING TO THEY THAT    
I HEAR YOUNG PEOPLE IN          
PAKISTAN SAYING TO THEY THAT    
GEORGE BUSH USED CREWS I'D,     
PAKISTAN SAYING TO THEY THAT    
GEORGE BUSH USED CREWS I'D,     
HE PRAYED TO GOD BEFORE HE      
GEORGE BUSH USED CREWS I'D,     
HE PRAYED TO GOD BEFORE HE      
INVADED IRAQ ANDTONY BLAY       
HE PRAYED TO GOD BEFORE HE      
INVADED IRAQ ANDTONY BLAY       
CONVERTED TO ISLAM SISM.        
INVADED IRAQ ANDTONY BLAY       
CONVERTED TO ISLAM SISM.        
>> THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO    
CONVERTED TO ISLAM SISM.        
>> THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO    
GET ME IN TROUBLE IN NEW YORK   
>> THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO    
GET ME IN TROUBLE IN NEW YORK   
WHERE WE DO THE INTELLIGENCE    
GET ME IN TROUBLE IN NEW YORK   
WHERE WE DO THE INTELLIGENCE    
SQUARE DEBATES BUT WE HAVE A    
WHERE WE DO THE INTELLIGENCE    
SQUARE DEBATES BUT WE HAVE A    
PORTION WHERE WE TAKE           
SQUARE DEBATES BUT WE HAVE A    
PORTION WHERE WE TAKE           
QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE     
PORTION WHERE WE TAKE           
QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE     
AND IN NO, IT'S A DIFFICULT     
QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE     
AND IN NO, IT'S A DIFFICULT     
PROCESS.                        
AND IN NO, IT'S A DIFFICULT     
PROCESS.                        
WE HAVE A LOT OF THE            
PROCESS.                        
WE HAVE A LOT OF THE            
QUESTIONNAIRES WHO ACTUALLY     
WE HAVE A LOT OF THE            
QUESTIONNAIRES WHO ACTUALLY     
WANT TO JOIN THE DEBATE.        
QUESTIONNAIRES WHO ACTUALLY     
WANT TO JOIN THE DEBATE.        
AND I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT THIS   
WANT TO JOIN THE DEBATE.        
AND I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT THIS   
AUDIENCE IN RICHMOND FOR SOME   
AND I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT THIS   
AUDIENCE IN RICHMOND FOR SOME   
SPECTACULARLY GOOD QUESTIONS.   
AUDIENCE IN RICHMOND FOR SOME   
SPECTACULARLY GOOD QUESTIONS.   
THERE'S ONE -- SERIOUSLY.       
SPECTACULARLY GOOD QUESTIONS.   
THERE'S ONE -- SERIOUSLY.       
THEY'RE SUCH PERFECTLY          
THERE'S ONE -- SERIOUSLY.       
THEY'RE SUCH PERFECTLY          
PHRASED QUESTIONS.              
THEY'RE SUCH PERFECTLY          
PHRASED QUESTIONS.              
LAUREN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE      
PHRASED QUESTIONS.              
LAUREN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE      
YOU ARE, BUT I LOVE THE TWIST   
LAUREN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE      
YOU ARE, BUT I LOVE THE TWIST   
YOU PUT ON THIS ONE.            
YOU ARE, BUT I LOVE THE TWIST   
YOU PUT ON THIS ONE.            
I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW THE        
YOU PUT ON THIS ONE.            
I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW THE        
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT THE     
I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW THE        
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT THE     
IMAM SHARES WITH MODERATE       
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT THE     
IMAM SHARES WITH MODERATE       
MUSLIMS AND NEW ONE QUESTION    
IMAM SHARES WITH MODERATE       
MUSLIMS AND NEW ONE QUESTION    
THAT MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH      
MUSLIMS AND NEW ONE QUESTION    
THAT MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH      
EXTREMISTS.                     
THAT MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH      
EXTREMISTS.                     
>> NUMBER ONE QUESTION?         
EXTREMISTS.                     
>> NUMBER ONE QUESTION?         
>> I'M SORRY, THE NUMBER ONE    
>> NUMBER ONE QUESTION?         
>> I'M SORRY, THE NUMBER ONE    
MESSAGE.                        
>> I'M SORRY, THE NUMBER ONE    
MESSAGE.                        
>> I WAS STUCK ON THE WORD      
MESSAGE.                        
>> I WAS STUCK ON THE WORD      
QUESTION.                       
>> I WAS STUCK ON THE WORD      
QUESTION.                       
CURIOUS TO KNOW THE NUMBER      
QUESTION.                       
CURIOUS TO KNOW THE NUMBER      
ONE MESSAGE THAT HE SHARES      
CURIOUS TO KNOW THE NUMBER      
ONE MESSAGE THAT HE SHARES      
WITH MODERN MUSLIMS AND         
ONE MESSAGE THAT HE SHARES      
WITH MODERN MUSLIMS AND         
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT         
WITH MODERN MUSLIMS AND         
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT         
MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH           
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT         
MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH           
EXTREMISTS.                     
MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH           
EXTREMISTS.                     
>> THE NUMBER ONE MESSAGE IS    
EXTREMISTS.                     
>> THE NUMBER ONE MESSAGE IS    
THAT OUR FAITH IS A FAITH       
>> THE NUMBER ONE MESSAGE IS    
THAT OUR FAITH IS A FAITH       
THAT IS ABOUT SUBMISSION TO     
THAT OUR FAITH IS A FAITH       
THAT IS ABOUT SUBMISSION TO     
GOD, THAT IT IS ABOUT WORSHIP   
THAT IS ABOUT SUBMISSION TO     
GOD, THAT IT IS ABOUT WORSHIP   
ING GOD.                        
GOD, THAT IT IS ABOUT WORSHIP   
ING GOD.                        
IT IS A FAITH THAT COMES FROM   
ING GOD.                        
IT IS A FAITH THAT COMES FROM   
THE ABRAHAMIC FAITH             
IT IS A FAITH THAT COMES FROM   
THE ABRAHAMIC FAITH             
TRADITION.                      
THE ABRAHAMIC FAITH             
TRADITION.                      
WE ARE A PART OF THE            
TRADITION.                      
WE ARE A PART OF THE            
CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH ABRAHAM    
WE ARE A PART OF THE            
CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH ABRAHAM    
IC TRADITION OF                 
CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH ABRAHAM    
IC TRADITION OF                 
RELIGION.                       
IC TRADITION OF                 
RELIGION.                       
OUR LAWS ARE VERY SIMILAR.      
RELIGION.                       
OUR LAWS ARE VERY SIMILAR.      
AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO        
OUR LAWS ARE VERY SIMILAR.      
AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO        
ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY THAT      
AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO        
ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY THAT      
BELIEVES IN GOD, AND AS I       
ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY THAT      
BELIEVES IN GOD, AND AS I       
MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT         
BELIEVES IN GOD, AND AS I       
MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT         
WORSHIPS THE SKRAETOR -- THE    
MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT         
WORSHIPS THE SKRAETOR -- THE    
CREATOR IN A STATE AS IF WE     
WORSHIPS THE SKRAETOR -- THE    
CREATOR IN A STATE AS IF WE     
SEE GOD, THE PROPHET            
CREATOR IN A STATE AS IF WE     
SEE GOD, THE PROPHET            
DESCRIBES VIRTUE, DESCRIBING    
SEE GOD, THE PROPHET            
DESCRIBES VIRTUE, DESCRIBING    
ISLAM, WHICH MEANS VIRTUE, IS   
DESCRIBES VIRTUE, DESCRIBING    
ISLAM, WHICH MEANS VIRTUE, IS   
TO WORSHIP GOD AND TO SERVE     
ISLAM, WHICH MEANS VIRTUE, IS   
TO WORSHIP GOD AND TO SERVE     
GOD AS IF YOU SEE THE           
TO WORSHIP GOD AND TO SERVE     
GOD AS IF YOU SEE THE           
CREATOR, AND IF YOU DO NOT      
GOD AS IF YOU SEE THE           
CREATOR, AND IF YOU DO NOT      
SEE THE CREATOR -- SEEING THE   
CREATOR, AND IF YOU DO NOT      
SEE THE CREATOR -- SEEING THE   
CREATOR IS NOT ONLY SERVING     
SEE THE CREATOR -- SEEING THE   
CREATOR IS NOT ONLY SERVING     
GOD IN OUR WORSHIP BUT          
CREATOR IS NOT ONLY SERVING     
GOD IN OUR WORSHIP BUT          
SERVING HUMANITY, HELPING THE   
GOD IN OUR WORSHIP BUT          
SERVING HUMANITY, HELPING THE   
POOR AND HELPING TO BUILD A     
SERVING HUMANITY, HELPING THE   
POOR AND HELPING TO BUILD A     
GREATER CONCEPT OF HUMAN        
POOR AND HELPING TO BUILD A     
GREATER CONCEPT OF HUMAN        
KIND.                           
GREATER CONCEPT OF HUMAN        
KIND.                           
>> I MAY BE READING MORE INTO   
KIND.                           
>> I MAY BE READING MORE INTO   
IT BUT I HAVE A SENSE THE       
>> I MAY BE READING MORE INTO   
IT BUT I HAVE A SENSE THE       
QUESTION ALSO HAD A             
IT BUT I HAVE A SENSE THE       
QUESTION ALSO HAD A             
CONNOTATION OF WHAT DO YOU      
QUESTION ALSO HAD A             
CONNOTATION OF WHAT DO YOU      
SAY TO MODERATE MUSLIMS ABOUT   
CONNOTATION OF WHAT DO YOU      
SAY TO MODERATE MUSLIMS ABOUT   
EXTREMISM IN THIS LAW?          
SAY TO MODERATE MUSLIMS ABOUT   
EXTREMISM IN THIS LAW?          
>> WE ACKNOWLEDGE -- ALL THE    
EXTREMISM IN THIS LAW?          
>> WE ACKNOWLEDGE -- ALL THE    
THINGS THAT AAYAN IS TALKING    
>> WE ACKNOWLEDGE -- ALL THE    
THINGS THAT AAYAN IS TALKING    
ABOUT AND MAAJID HAS BEEN       
THINGS THAT AAYAN IS TALKING    
ABOUT AND MAAJID HAS BEEN       
TALKING ABOUT ARE THINGS THAT   
ABOUT AND MAAJID HAS BEEN       
TALKING ABOUT ARE THINGS THAT   
EXIST IN THE MUSLIM WORLD       
TALKING ABOUT ARE THINGS THAT   
EXIST IN THE MUSLIM WORLD       
TODAY.                          
EXIST IN THE MUSLIM WORLD       
TODAY.                          
THERE'S NO DISPUTE WE ARE THE   
TODAY.                          
THERE'S NO DISPUTE WE ARE THE   
BIGGEST VICTIMS OF OUR OWN      
THERE'S NO DISPUTE WE ARE THE   
BIGGEST VICTIMS OF OUR OWN      
ACTS OF VIOLENCE.               
BIGGEST VICTIMS OF OUR OWN      
ACTS OF VIOLENCE.               
THAT THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE     
ACTS OF VIOLENCE.               
THAT THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE     
LEGITIMATELY COME FROM OUR      
THAT THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE     
LEGITIMATELY COME FROM OUR      
FAITH.                          
LEGITIMATELY COME FROM OUR      
FAITH.                          
THIS IS THE BATTLE THAT IS      
FAITH.                          
THIS IS THE BATTLE THAT IS      
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITHIN      
THIS IS THE BATTLE THAT IS      
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITHIN      
THE MUSLIM WORLD.               
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITHIN      
THE MUSLIM WORLD.               
THIS IS THE WORK WHICH I'M      
THE MUSLIM WORLD.               
THIS IS THE WORK WHICH I'M      
DEVOTED TO THROUGH THE GLOBAL   
THIS IS THE WORK WHICH I'M      
DEVOTED TO THROUGH THE GLOBAL   
MOVEMENT TO MODERATES, WHICH    
DEVOTED TO THROUGH THE GLOBAL   
MOVEMENT TO MODERATES, WHICH    
I'M DOING WITH A NUMBER OF      
MOVEMENT TO MODERATES, WHICH    
I'M DOING WITH A NUMBER OF      
MUSLIM WORLD LEADERS IN TERMS   
I'M DOING WITH A NUMBER OF      
MUSLIM WORLD LEADERS IN TERMS   
OF ADVANCING THE ROLE OF        
MUSLIM WORLD LEADERS IN TERMS   
OF ADVANCING THE ROLE OF        
WOMEN, WHICH IS NOT UNIFORM     
OF ADVANCING THE ROLE OF        
WOMEN, WHICH IS NOT UNIFORM     
ACROSS THE MUSLIM WORLD, BY     
WOMEN, WHICH IS NOT UNIFORM     
ACROSS THE MUSLIM WORLD, BY     
ANY MEANS.                      
ACROSS THE MUSLIM WORLD, BY     
ANY MEANS.                      
YOU HAVE WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD     
ANY MEANS.                      
YOU HAVE WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD     
-- WE HAVE HAD FIVE WOMEN       
YOU HAVE WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD     
-- WE HAVE HAD FIVE WOMEN       
HEADS OF GOVERNMENTS, MANY      
-- WE HAVE HAD FIVE WOMEN       
HEADS OF GOVERNMENTS, MANY      
MINISTERS IN MUSLIM             
HEADS OF GOVERNMENTS, MANY      
MINISTERS IN MUSLIM             
COUNTRIES.                      
MINISTERS IN MUSLIM             
COUNTRIES.                      
THE ROLE OF WOMEN IS NOT A      
COUNTRIES.                      
THE ROLE OF WOMEN IS NOT A      
COMMON THING.                   
THE ROLE OF WOMEN IS NOT A      
COMMON THING.                   
IT COMES FROM A CULTURAL        
COMMON THING.                   
IT COMES FROM A CULTURAL        
TRADITION, RATHER THAN FROM     
IT COMES FROM A CULTURAL        
TRADITION, RATHER THAN FROM     
THE FAITH 2R5D IGS --           
TRADITION, RATHER THAN FROM     
THE FAITH 2R5D IGS --           
TRADITION ITSELF.               
THE FAITH 2R5D IGS --           
TRADITION ITSELF.               
EVEN WE'VE HAD PROGRAMS IN      
TRADITION ITSELF.               
EVEN WE'VE HAD PROGRAMS IN      
EGYPT, WE'RE TRYING TO SCALE    
EVEN WE'VE HAD PROGRAMS IN      
EGYPT, WE'RE TRYING TO SCALE    
UP, AND IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN,   
EGYPT, WE'RE TRYING TO SCALE    
UP, AND IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN,   
AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THIS    
UP, AND IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN,   
AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THIS    
IS A BATTLE AND LIKE ANY        
AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THIS    
IS A BATTLE AND LIKE ANY        
BATTLE, YOU HAVE YOUR WINS,     
IS A BATTLE AND LIKE ANY        
BATTLE, YOU HAVE YOUR WINS,     
YOUR LOSSES, AND THE OPPOSING   
BATTLE, YOU HAVE YOUR WINS,     
YOUR LOSSES, AND THE OPPOSING   
SIDE ALWAYS TRIES TO COMBAT     
YOUR LOSSES, AND THE OPPOSING   
SIDE ALWAYS TRIES TO COMBAT     
YOU, BUT OUR WORK IS HOW DO     
SIDE ALWAYS TRIES TO COMBAT     
YOU, BUT OUR WORK IS HOW DO     
WE STRATEGIZE TO BUILD A        
YOU, BUT OUR WORK IS HOW DO     
WE STRATEGIZE TO BUILD A        
BROADER COALITION OF FORCE      
WE STRATEGIZE TO BUILD A        
BROADER COALITION OF FORCE      
THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE THE   
BROADER COALITION OF FORCE      
THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE THE   
DISCOURSE FOR THE POSITIVE      
THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE THE   
DISCOURSE FOR THE POSITIVE      
AND EI'M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST    
DISCOURSE FOR THE POSITIVE      
AND EI'M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST    
WE CAN WIN THIS BATTLE.         
AND EI'M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST    
WE CAN WIN THIS BATTLE.         
>> AND MAAJID, WHAT'S YOUR      
WE CAN WIN THIS BATTLE.         
>> AND MAAJID, WHAT'S YOUR      
MESSAGE FOR THE EXTREMISTS?     
>> AND MAAJID, WHAT'S YOUR      
MESSAGE FOR THE EXTREMISTS?     
>> HELP ME OUT.                 
MESSAGE FOR THE EXTREMISTS?     
>> HELP ME OUT.                 
WE'RE ALWAYS STUCK WITH A --    
>> HELP ME OUT.                 
WE'RE ALWAYS STUCK WITH A --    
STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD   
WE'RE ALWAYS STUCK WITH A --    
STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD   
PLACE, AND HERE I'M TRYING TO   
STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD   
PLACE, AND HERE I'M TRYING TO   
TELL EVERYONE THAT ISLAM IS     
PLACE, AND HERE I'M TRYING TO   
TELL EVERYONE THAT ISLAM IS     
NOT A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE.     
TELL EVERYONE THAT ISLAM IS     
NOT A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE.     
IT'S INTERPRETED.               
NOT A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE.     
IT'S INTERPRETED.               
WHEN I GO TO PAKISTAN, THE      
IT'S INTERPRETED.               
WHEN I GO TO PAKISTAN, THE      
MORE I SPEAK TO MUSLIMS WHO     
WHEN I GO TO PAKISTAN, THE      
MORE I SPEAK TO MUSLIMS WHO     
HAVE EVERY SENSE OF             
MORE I SPEAK TO MUSLIMS WHO     
HAVE EVERY SENSE OF             
GRIEVANCE, I'M TRYING TO TELL   
HAVE EVERY SENSE OF             
GRIEVANCE, I'M TRYING TO TELL   
THEM THAT AMERICA ISN'T AT      
GRIEVANCE, I'M TRYING TO TELL   
THEM THAT AMERICA ISN'T AT      
WAR WITH ISLAM.                 
THEM THAT AMERICA ISN'T AT      
WAR WITH ISLAM.                 
AND AMERICA DOESN'T HATE        
WAR WITH ISLAM.                 
AND AMERICA DOESN'T HATE        
MUSLIM AND ISLAM.               
AND AMERICA DOESN'T HATE        
MUSLIM AND ISLAM.               
IF THE WEST CAN USE A GENERAL   
MUSLIM AND ISLAM.               
IF THE WEST CAN USE A GENERAL   
TERM, IT DOESN'T HATE ISLAM     
IF THE WEST CAN USE A GENERAL   
TERM, IT DOESN'T HATE ISLAM     
AND MUSLIMS.                    
TERM, IT DOESN'T HATE ISLAM     
AND MUSLIMS.                    
WHEN WE SPEAK TO THEM, THEY     
AND MUSLIMS.                    
WHEN WE SPEAK TO THEM, THEY     
ALSO CHERRY PICK EVIDENCES      
WHEN WE SPEAK TO THEM, THEY     
ALSO CHERRY PICK EVIDENCES      
LIKE THE ONE WE JUST ENDED ON   
ALSO CHERRY PICK EVIDENCES      
LIKE THE ONE WE JUST ENDED ON   
BEFORE THE INTERMISSION, OR     
LIKE THE ONE WE JUST ENDED ON   
BEFORE THE INTERMISSION, OR     
OTHERS.                         
BEFORE THE INTERMISSION, OR     
OTHERS.                         
THEY PICK THESE THINGS AND      
OTHERS.                         
THEY PICK THESE THINGS AND      
SAY WELL, THERE WAS A CURAN     
THEY PICK THESE THINGS AND      
SAY WELL, THERE WAS A CURAN     
BURNING SESSION THERE AND       
SAY WELL, THERE WAS A CURAN     
BURNING SESSION THERE AND       
THERE WAS THIS DRONE STRIKES,   
BURNING SESSION THERE AND       
THERE WAS THIS DRONE STRIKES,   
AND THEY PICK ON THINGS TO      
THERE WAS THIS DRONE STRIKES,   
AND THEY PICK ON THINGS TO      
PROVE WHEN I CALL HALF          
AND THEY PICK ON THINGS TO      
PROVE WHEN I CALL HALF          
TRUTHS, AND HALF TRUTHS         
PROVE WHEN I CALL HALF          
TRUTHS, AND HALF TRUTHS         
AREN'T THE SAME AS LIES.        
TRUTHS, AND HALF TRUTHS         
AREN'T THE SAME AS LIES.        
IT'S A LOT EASIER TO DEBUNK A   
AREN'T THE SAME AS LIES.        
IT'S A LOT EASIER TO DEBUNK A   
LIE AND TO DISPROVE A LIE,      
IT'S A LOT EASIER TO DEBUNK A   
LIE AND TO DISPROVE A LIE,      
BECAUSE IT'S NOT BASED IN       
LIE AND TO DISPROVE A LIE,      
BECAUSE IT'S NOT BASED IN       
FACT.                           
BECAUSE IT'S NOT BASED IN       
FACT.                           
BUT THERE ARE HALF TRUE         
FACT.                           
BUT THERE ARE HALF TRUE         
NARRATIVES ON BOTH SIDES OF     
BUT THERE ARE HALF TRUE         
NARRATIVES ON BOTH SIDES OF     
THIS DEBATE, SO A HALF TRUTH    
NARRATIVES ON BOTH SIDES OF     
THIS DEBATE, SO A HALF TRUTH    
ON THIS SIDE, YES, OF COURSE,   
THIS DEBATE, SO A HALF TRUTH    
ON THIS SIDE, YES, OF COURSE,   
THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN       
ON THIS SIDE, YES, OF COURSE,   
THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN       
SCRIPTURE THAT ARE              
THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN       
SCRIPTURE THAT ARE              
INTERPRETED TO JUSTIFY ACTS     
SCRIPTURE THAT ARE              
INTERPRETED TO JUSTIFY ACTS     
OF GROSS VIOLENCE TODAY.        
INTERPRETED TO JUSTIFY ACTS     
OF GROSS VIOLENCE TODAY.        
BUT, OF COURSE, THAT'S HALF     
OF GROSS VIOLENCE TODAY.        
BUT, OF COURSE, THAT'S HALF     
THE TRUTH AS WE'VE BEEN         
BUT, OF COURSE, THAT'S HALF     
THE TRUTH AS WE'VE BEEN         
DISCUSSING.                     
THE TRUTH AS WE'VE BEEN         
DISCUSSING.                     
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S A    
DISCUSSING.                     
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S A    
HALF TRUTH, BECAUSE ONLY PICK   
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S A    
HALF TRUTH, BECAUSE ONLY PICK   
ON ENEMY THAT IS JUSTIFY        
HALF TRUTH, BECAUSE ONLY PICK   
ON ENEMY THAT IS JUSTIFY        
THEIR NARRATIVE.                
ON ENEMY THAT IS JUSTIFY        
THEIR NARRATIVE.                
THEY SAY AMERICANS ARE WITH     
THEIR NARRATIVE.                
THEY SAY AMERICANS ARE WITH     
WAR WITH MUSLIMS, BECAUSE       
THEY SAY AMERICANS ARE WITH     
WAR WITH MUSLIMS, BECAUSE       
LOOK, PAL STEIN, KASHMIR,       
WAR WITH MUSLIMS, BECAUSE       
LOOK, PAL STEIN, KASHMIR,       
BOSNIA, IRAQ, MUSLIMS ARE       
LOOK, PAL STEIN, KASHMIR,       
BOSNIA, IRAQ, MUSLIMS ARE       
DYING EVERYWHERE, GUANTANAMO    
BOSNIA, IRAQ, MUSLIMS ARE       
DYING EVERYWHERE, GUANTANAMO    
BAY, TORTURE, WATER BOARDING,   
DYING EVERYWHERE, GUANTANAMO    
BAY, TORTURE, WATER BOARDING,   
THESE ARE THINGS THAT           
BAY, TORTURE, WATER BOARDING,   
THESE ARE THINGS THAT           
ACTUALLY HAPPENED, WHICH IS     
THESE ARE THINGS THAT           
ACTUALLY HAPPENED, WHICH IS     
WHY I CALL THEM HALF TRUTHS.    
ACTUALLY HAPPENED, WHICH IS     
WHY I CALL THEM HALF TRUTHS.    
IF ONE WERE TO TRY AND PROVE    
WHY I CALL THEM HALF TRUTHS.    
IF ONE WERE TO TRY AND PROVE    
ANY ONE OF THESE, THEY CAN      
IF ONE WERE TO TRY AND PROVE    
ANY ONE OF THESE, THEY CAN      
FOUND EVIDENCE TO SAY THESE     
ANY ONE OF THESE, THEY CAN      
FOUND EVIDENCE TO SAY THESE     
HAPPENED, AND THAT'S HOW A      
FOUND EVIDENCE TO SAY THESE     
HAPPENED, AND THAT'S HOW A      
YOUNG MIND GETS CONVINCED.      
HAPPENED, AND THAT'S HOW A      
YOUNG MIND GETS CONVINCED.      
OF COURSE IT DOESN'T TELL THE   
YOUNG MIND GETS CONVINCED.      
OF COURSE IT DOESN'T TELL THE   
OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY THAT,   
OF COURSE IT DOESN'T TELL THE   
OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY THAT,   
IT WAS THE AMERICANS, THE       
OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY THAT,   
IT WAS THE AMERICANS, THE       
AMERICAN ARMY, THAT WENT IN     
IT WAS THE AMERICANS, THE       
AMERICAN ARMY, THAT WENT IN     
TO SAVE AND DEFEND MUSLIMS IN   
AMERICAN ARMY, THAT WENT IN     
TO SAVE AND DEFEND MUSLIMS IN   
KOSOVO, NEXT DOOR TO BOSNIA,    
TO SAVE AND DEFEND MUSLIMS IN   
KOSOVO, NEXT DOOR TO BOSNIA,    
AGAINST SERBS, IT DOESN'T       
KOSOVO, NEXT DOOR TO BOSNIA,    
AGAINST SERBS, IT DOESN'T       
TELL THE OTHER HALF OF THE      
AGAINST SERBS, IT DOESN'T       
TELL THE OTHER HALF OF THE      
STORY.                          
TELL THE OTHER HALF OF THE      
STORY.                          
THERE WAS THE AMERICAN MEDIA    
STORY.                          
THERE WAS THE AMERICAN MEDIA    
THAT EXPOSED -- EXPOSED THE     
THERE WAS THE AMERICAN MEDIA    
THAT EXPOSED -- EXPOSED THE     
TORTURE THAT WENT ON IN THE     
THAT EXPOSED -- EXPOSED THE     
TORTURE THAT WENT ON IN THE     
PRISONS OF IRAQ.                
TORTURE THAT WENT ON IN THE     
PRISONS OF IRAQ.                
TESTIFY THE AMERICAN            
PRISONS OF IRAQ.                
TESTIFY THE AMERICAN            
IMMEDIATE THAT THAT EXPOSED     
TESTIFY THE AMERICAN            
IMMEDIATE THAT THAT EXPOSED     
ALL OF THIS.                    
IMMEDIATE THAT THAT EXPOSED     
ALL OF THIS.                    
IT'S AMERICAN LAWYERS THAT      
ALL OF THIS.                    
IT'S AMERICAN LAWYERS THAT      
ARE ATTEMPTING TO GET           
IT'S AMERICAN LAWYERS THAT      
ARE ATTEMPTING TO GET           
GUANTANAMO BAY SHUT DOWN.       
ARE ATTEMPTING TO GET           
GUANTANAMO BAY SHUT DOWN.       
THIS IS DEBATE HAPPENING        
GUANTANAMO BAY SHUT DOWN.       
THIS IS DEBATE HAPPENING        
WITHIN THE AMERICAN CONTEXT.    
THIS IS DEBATE HAPPENING        
WITHIN THE AMERICAN CONTEXT.    
LIKEWISE, THIS DEBATE ABOUT     
WITHIN THE AMERICAN CONTEXT.    
LIKEWISE, THIS DEBATE ABOUT     
TERRORISM AND EXTREMISM IS      
LIKEWISE, THIS DEBATE ABOUT     
TERRORISM AND EXTREMISM IS      
LIVE WITHIN THE MUSLIM          
TERRORISM AND EXTREMISM IS      
LIVE WITHIN THE MUSLIM          
CONTEXT.                        
LIVE WITHIN THE MUSLIM          
CONTEXT.                        
THESE ARE THE HALF TRUTHS       
CONTEXT.                        
THESE ARE THE HALF TRUTHS       
THAT NEED TO BE DEBUNKED.       
THESE ARE THE HALF TRUTHS       
THAT NEED TO BE DEBUNKED.       
THAT'S I DIDN'T SAID HELP ME    
THAT NEED TO BE DEBUNKED.       
THAT'S I DIDN'T SAID HELP ME    
OUT.                            
THAT'S I DIDN'T SAID HELP ME    
OUT.                            
WE NEED TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE   
OUT.                            
WE NEED TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE   
AND GET BOTH SIDES TO REALIZE   
WE NEED TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE   
AND GET BOTH SIDES TO REALIZE   
THE OTHER SIDE HAS A VERY BAD   
AND GET BOTH SIDES TO REALIZE   
THE OTHER SIDE HAS A VERY BAD   
IMPRESSION OF THEM BUT WE       
THE OTHER SIDE HAS A VERY BAD   
IMPRESSION OF THEM BUT WE       
KNOW THE TRUTH ISN'T AS         
IMPRESSION OF THEM BUT WE       
KNOW THE TRUTH ISN'T AS         
SIMPLE AS THAT.                 
KNOW THE TRUTH ISN'T AS         
SIMPLE AS THAT.                 
>> SPECIFICALLY, WHY IS THERE   
SIMPLE AS THAT.                 
>> SPECIFICALLY, WHY IS THERE   
SO MUCH VIOLENCE AGAINST AND    
>> SPECIFICALLY, WHY IS THERE   
SO MUCH VIOLENCE AGAINST AND    
OPREGS OF WOMEN, IS IT A        
SO MUCH VIOLENCE AGAINST AND    
OPREGS OF WOMEN, IS IT A        
PROBLEM OF SUBSTANCE OR         
OPREGS OF WOMEN, IS IT A        
PROBLEM OF SUBSTANCE OR         
INTERP TAILINGS, DOES THE       
PROBLEM OF SUBSTANCE OR         
INTERP TAILINGS, DOES THE       
CURAN SPECIFICALLY --           
INTERP TAILINGS, DOES THE       
CURAN SPECIFICALLY --           
INTERPRETATION, DOES THE        
CURAN SPECIFICALLY --           
INTERPRETATION, DOES THE        
CURAN SPECIFICALLY CONDONE IT   
INTERPRETATION, DOES THE        
CURAN SPECIFICALLY CONDONE IT   
>> AS THE FEMINISTS -- WELL,    
CURAN SPECIFICALLY CONDONE IT   
>> AS THE FEMINISTS -- WELL,    
MAYBE EVERYONE HERE IS A        
>> AS THE FEMINISTS -- WELL,    
MAYBE EVERYONE HERE IS A        
FEMINIST BUT AS THE FEMALE      
MAYBE EVERYONE HERE IS A        
FEMINIST BUT AS THE FEMALE      
FEMINIST ON THE PANEL, I'LL     
FEMINIST BUT AS THE FEMALE      
FEMINIST ON THE PANEL, I'LL     
GIVE YOU A FIRST CRACK AT       
FEMINIST ON THE PANEL, I'LL     
GIVE YOU A FIRST CRACK AT       
THAT.                           
GIVE YOU A FIRST CRACK AT       
THAT.                           
I FIND ENOUGH VERSES IN THE     
THAT.                           
I FIND ENOUGH VERSES IN THE     
CURAN AND IN THE HADITH AND     
I FIND ENOUGH VERSES IN THE     
CURAN AND IN THE HADITH AND     
IN THE PRACTICE OF ISLAM TO     
CURAN AND IN THE HADITH AND     
IN THE PRACTICE OF ISLAM TO     
SHOW THAT AS A WOMAN IN         
IN THE PRACTICE OF ISLAM TO     
SHOW THAT AS A WOMAN IN         
ISLAM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A       
SHOW THAT AS A WOMAN IN         
ISLAM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A       
GUARDIAN.                       
ISLAM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A       
GUARDIAN.                       
YOU DON'T OWN YOUR SEXUALITY.   
GUARDIAN.                       
YOU DON'T OWN YOUR SEXUALITY.   
ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT I         
YOU DON'T OWN YOUR SEXUALITY.   
ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT I         
MENTIONED.                      
ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT I         
MENTIONED.                      
SO THAT IS -- IT'S SUBSTANCE.   
MENTIONED.                      
SO THAT IS -- IT'S SUBSTANCE.   
WHEN I CALL FOR A               
SO THAT IS -- IT'S SUBSTANCE.   
WHEN I CALL FOR A               
REFORMATION, I'M CALLING FOR    
WHEN I CALL FOR A               
REFORMATION, I'M CALLING FOR    
AN EDITING, A REVIEW OF THAT,   
REFORMATION, I'M CALLING FOR    
AN EDITING, A REVIEW OF THAT,   
SO THAT MEN WHO DO NOT WANT     
AN EDITING, A REVIEW OF THAT,   
SO THAT MEN WHO DO NOT WANT     
TO OPPRESS WOMEN CAN FIND       
SO THAT MEN WHO DO NOT WANT     
TO OPPRESS WOMEN CAN FIND       
CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE          
TO OPPRESS WOMEN CAN FIND       
CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE          
SCRIPTURE AND THE WAY THEY      
CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE          
SCRIPTURE AND THE WAY THEY      
PRACTICE ISLAM.                 
SCRIPTURE AND THE WAY THEY      
PRACTICE ISLAM.                 
RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU SEE WHEN     
PRACTICE ISLAM.                 
RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU SEE WHEN     
IT COMES TO VIOLENCE AGAINST    
RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU SEE WHEN     
IT COMES TO VIOLENCE AGAINST    
WOMEN OR RELIGIOUS MINORITIES   
IT COMES TO VIOLENCE AGAINST    
WOMEN OR RELIGIOUS MINORITIES   
, OR SHEAS AND                  
WOMEN OR RELIGIOUS MINORITIES   
, OR SHEAS AND                  
SUNNIS -- SHIAS AND SUNNIS,     
, OR SHEAS AND                  
SUNNIS -- SHIAS AND SUNNIS,     
THEY ARE MUSLIMS WHO ARE PUT    
SUNNIS -- SHIAS AND SUNNIS,     
THEY ARE MUSLIMS WHO ARE PUT    
IN A POSITION, THEY WANT TO     
THEY ARE MUSLIMS WHO ARE PUT    
IN A POSITION, THEY WANT TO     
LIVE, AND THEY DO LIVE LIVES    
IN A POSITION, THEY WANT TO     
LIVE, AND THEY DO LIVE LIVES    
THAT ARE NOT CONSONANT WITH     
LIVE, AND THEY DO LIVE LIVES    
THAT ARE NOT CONSONANT WITH     
WHAT THE CURAN SAYS AND THE     
THAT ARE NOT CONSONANT WITH     
WHAT THE CURAN SAYS AND THE     
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET          
WHAT THE CURAN SAYS AND THE     
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET          
MOHAMMED, AND I THINK THE WAY   
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET          
MOHAMMED, AND I THINK THE WAY   
FORWARD IS TO STOP THE          
MOHAMMED, AND I THINK THE WAY   
FORWARD IS TO STOP THE          
DENIAL, THE EVASION, AND TO     
FORWARD IS TO STOP THE          
DENIAL, THE EVASION, AND TO     
LOOK AT THIS AND TO MODIFY      
DENIAL, THE EVASION, AND TO     
LOOK AT THIS AND TO MODIFY      
IT.                             
LOOK AT THIS AND TO MODIFY      
IT.                             
WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT       
IT.                             
WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT       
ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.           
WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT       
ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.           
THE UNITED STATES IS FOUNDED    
ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.           
THE UNITED STATES IS FOUNDED    
ON INNOVATION.                  
THE UNITED STATES IS FOUNDED    
ON INNOVATION.                  
AND THERE'S THIS ENORMOUS       
ON INNOVATION.                  
AND THERE'S THIS ENORMOUS       
OPPORTUNITY TODAY FOR           
AND THERE'S THIS ENORMOUS       
OPPORTUNITY TODAY FOR           
MUSLIMS, AS WE LOOK AT THE      
OPPORTUNITY TODAY FOR           
MUSLIMS, AS WE LOOK AT THE      
WORLD WE WERE BORN IN AND THE   
MUSLIMS, AS WE LOOK AT THE      
WORLD WE WERE BORN IN AND THE   
WORLD WE COME FROM, THERE IS    
WORLD WE WERE BORN IN AND THE   
WORLD WE COME FROM, THERE IS    
THIS ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY       
WORLD WE COME FROM, THERE IS    
THIS ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY       
HERE IN THE U.S. TO LOOK AT     
THIS ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY       
HERE IN THE U.S. TO LOOK AT     
SCRIPTURE IN THE EYE AND TO     
HERE IN THE U.S. TO LOOK AT     
SCRIPTURE IN THE EYE AND TO     
INNOVATE AND TO REFORM.         
SCRIPTURE IN THE EYE AND TO     
INNOVATE AND TO REFORM.         
AND UNLESS THAT IS DONE THAT    
INNOVATE AND TO REFORM.         
AND UNLESS THAT IS DONE THAT    
DISSIDENCE WILL BE THERE AND    
AND UNLESS THAT IS DONE THAT    
DISSIDENCE WILL BE THERE AND    
THE PEOPLE WHO INVOKE THE       
DISSIDENCE WILL BE THERE AND    
THE PEOPLE WHO INVOKE THE       
VERSES AND THE PROPHETS TO      
THE PEOPLE WHO INVOKE THE       
VERSES AND THE PROPHETS TO      
OBEC TIFY WOMEN, THE VIOLENCE   
VERSES AND THE PROPHETS TO      
OBEC TIFY WOMEN, THE VIOLENCE   
WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.           
OBEC TIFY WOMEN, THE VIOLENCE   
WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.           
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR     
WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.           
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR     
ISLAM.                          
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR     
ISLAM.                          
I'M WAITING FOR A CHALLENGE,    
ISLAM.                          
I'M WAITING FOR A CHALLENGE,    
WHERE IT'S NOT IN THE CURAN.    
I'M WAITING FOR A CHALLENGE,    
WHERE IT'S NOT IN THE CURAN.    
YOU SHOULD GO TO A WEBSITE,     
WHERE IT'S NOT IN THE CURAN.    
YOU SHOULD GO TO A WEBSITE,     
ISLAM, A RELIGION OF FEASTS,    
YOU SHOULD GO TO A WEBSITE,     
ISLAM, A RELIGION OF FEASTS,    
AND SOMEONE HAS DOCUMENTED      
ISLAM, A RELIGION OF FEASTS,    
AND SOMEONE HAS DOCUMENTED      
109 VERSES FROM THE CURAN, IN   
AND SOMEONE HAS DOCUMENTED      
109 VERSES FROM THE CURAN, IN   
THE HADITH, IN THE WORLD WE     
109 VERSES FROM THE CURAN, IN   
THE HADITH, IN THE WORLD WE     
LIVE, CURAN IS A SMALL BOOK     
THE HADITH, IN THE WORLD WE     
LIVE, CURAN IS A SMALL BOOK     
COMPARED -- AND EVERYONE CAN    
LIVE, CURAN IS A SMALL BOOK     
COMPARED -- AND EVERYONE CAN    
SEE --                          
COMPARED -- AND EVERYONE CAN    
SEE --                          
>> I'M ONLY COMING TOES AS A    
SEE --                          
>> I'M ONLY COMING TOES AS A    
MODERATE, AND LOOKING FOR       
>> I'M ONLY COMING TOES AS A    
MODERATE, AND LOOKING FOR       
CLARITY BUT YOU CAN DO THE      
MODERATE, AND LOOKING FOR       
CLARITY BUT YOU CAN DO THE      
SAME THING WITH THE OLD         
CLARITY BUT YOU CAN DO THE      
SAME THING WITH THE OLD         
TESTAMENT.                      
SAME THING WITH THE OLD         
TESTAMENT.                      
>> BUT THE CHRISTIANS HAVE      
TESTAMENT.                      
>> BUT THE CHRISTIANS HAVE      
GONE THROUGH THAT, THEY'VE      
>> BUT THE CHRISTIANS HAVE      
GONE THROUGH THAT, THEY'VE      
HAD THEIR CRUSADES AND WITCH    
GONE THROUGH THAT, THEY'VE      
HAD THEIR CRUSADES AND WITCH    
BURNINGS AND THEY'RE PAST       
HAD THEIR CRUSADES AND WITCH    
BURNINGS AND THEY'RE PAST       
THAT SO VIOLENCE IS NOW AN      
BURNINGS AND THEY'RE PAST       
THAT SO VIOLENCE IS NOW AN      
ISSUE OF THE FRINGE.            
THAT SO VIOLENCE IS NOW AN      
ISSUE OF THE FRINGE.            
TRUE LEADERSHIP, A              
ISSUE OF THE FRINGE.            
TRUE LEADERSHIP, A              
COMPASSIONATE LEADERSHIP        
TRUE LEADERSHIP, A              
COMPASSIONATE LEADERSHIP        
WOULD BE A LEADERSHIP THAT      
COMPASSIONATE LEADERSHIP        
WOULD BE A LEADERSHIP THAT      
WOULD NOW MODIFY, INNOVATE      
WOULD BE A LEADERSHIP THAT      
WOULD NOW MODIFY, INNOVATE      
AND TRANSFORM.                  
WOULD NOW MODIFY, INNOVATE      
AND TRANSFORM.                  
OF COURSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF   
AND TRANSFORM.                  
OF COURSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF   
PASSAGES.                       
OF COURSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF   
PASSAGES.                       
PART OF THE WORK WE ARE         
PASSAGES.                       
PART OF THE WORK WE ARE         
ATTEMPTING TO DO IN MY          
PART OF THE WORK WE ARE         
ATTEMPTING TO DO IN MY          
ORGANIZATION, IF YOU'RE GOING   
ATTEMPTING TO DO IN MY          
ORGANIZATION, IF YOU'RE GOING   
TO GO TO A WEBSITE, GO TO       
ORGANIZATION, IF YOU'RE GOING   
TO GO TO A WEBSITE, GO TO       
KW*EUL YAM FOUNDATION.ORG.      
TO GO TO A WEBSITE, GO TO       
KW*EUL YAM FOUNDATION.ORG.      
PART OF THE WORK WE'RE DOING,   
KW*EUL YAM FOUNDATION.ORG.      
PART OF THE WORK WE'RE DOING,   
THE TWIN CHALLENGES THAT I      
PART OF THE WORK WE'RE DOING,   
THE TWIN CHALLENGES THAT I      
MENTIONED, AT LEAST IN          
THE TWIN CHALLENGES THAT I      
MENTIONED, AT LEAST IN          
FUNDAMENTALISM, I DO THE WORK   
MENTIONED, AT LEAST IN          
FUNDAMENTALISM, I DO THE WORK   
ON THE ISLAM SIDE BECAUSE, AS   
FUNDAMENTALISM, I DO THE WORK   
ON THE ISLAM SIDE BECAUSE, AS   
I MENTIONED AT THE CHART, I'M   
ON THE ISLAM SIDE BECAUSE, AS   
I MENTIONED AT THE CHART, I'M   
NOT A DEVOUT RELIGIOUS LEADER   
I MENTIONED AT THE CHART, I'M   
NOT A DEVOUT RELIGIOUS LEADER   
SO I DISCUSS INTEGRATION,       
NOT A DEVOUT RELIGIOUS LEADER   
SO I DISCUSS INTEGRATION,       
SOCIAL OCCASION, POLICES WITH   
SO I DISCUSS INTEGRATION,       
SOCIAL OCCASION, POLICES WITH   
SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT       
SOCIAL OCCASION, POLICES WITH   
SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT       
WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY AT KW*EUL    
SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT       
WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY AT KW*EUL    
YAM WHO IS A U.K. LEADING       
WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY AT KW*EUL    
YAM WHO IS A U.K. LEADING       
REFORM THEE THEOLOGIAN AND WHATE
YAM WHO IS A U.K. LEADING       
REFORM THEE THEOLOGIAN AND WHATE
IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS LOOK     
REFORM THEE THEOLOGIAN AND WHATE
IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS LOOK     
AT THESE GENUINELY              
IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS LOOK     
AT THESE GENUINELY              
CHALLENGING PASSAGES IN THE     
AT THESE GENUINELY              
CHALLENGING PASSAGES IN THE     
CURAN.                          
CHALLENGING PASSAGES IN THE     
CURAN.                          
THERE ARE THOSE THAT            
CURAN.                          
THERE ARE THOSE THAT            
APPARENTLY LEND TO A STRONG     
THERE ARE THOSE THAT            
APPARENTLY LEND TO A STRONG     
INTERPRETATION THAT A HUSBAND   
APPARENTLY LEND TO A STRONG     
INTERPRETATION THAT A HUSBAND   
IS ALLOWED TO SUB JU GATE THE   
INTERPRETATION THAT A HUSBAND   
IS ALLOWED TO SUB JU GATE THE   
WIFE, POLYGAMY, SLAVERY, ALL    
IS ALLOWED TO SUB JU GATE THE   
WIFE, POLYGAMY, SLAVERY, ALL    
THESE ARE IN THE CURAN, AND     
WIFE, POLYGAMY, SLAVERY, ALL    
THESE ARE IN THE CURAN, AND     
AS YOU MENTIONED, ALSO IN THE   
THESE ARE IN THE CURAN, AND     
AS YOU MENTIONED, ALSO IN THE   
OLD TESTAMENT.                  
AS YOU MENTIONED, ALSO IN THE   
OLD TESTAMENT.                  
SO WE NEED THEOLOGIANS TO       
OLD TESTAMENT.                  
SO WE NEED THEOLOGIANS TO       
REINTERPRET THIS IN A CONTEXT   
SO WE NEED THEOLOGIANS TO       
REINTERPRET THIS IN A CONTEXT   
THAT MAKES SENSE.               
REINTERPRET THIS IN A CONTEXT   
THAT MAKES SENSE.               
MY CHALLENGE TO LITERALISTS,    
THAT MAKES SENSE.               
MY CHALLENGE TO LITERALISTS,    
PEOPLE LIKE AL-QAEDA            
MY CHALLENGE TO LITERALISTS,    
PEOPLE LIKE AL-QAEDA            
TERRORISTS IS THE FOLLOWING.    
PEOPLE LIKE AL-QAEDA            
TERRORISTS IS THE FOLLOWING.    
IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A        
TERRORISTS IS THE FOLLOWING.    
IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A        
PASSAGE OF THE CURAN THAT       
IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A        
PASSAGE OF THE CURAN THAT       
ALLOWS YOU TO BEAT YOUR WIFE    
PASSAGE OF THE CURAN THAT       
ALLOWS YOU TO BEAT YOUR WIFE    
AND SUBJUGATE YOUR WIFE,        
ALLOWS YOU TO BEAT YOUR WIFE    
AND SUBJUGATE YOUR WIFE,        
LIKEWISE WE HAVE TO TAKE        
AND SUBJUGATE YOUR WIFE,        
LIKEWISE WE HAVE TO TAKE        
EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH MEANS    
LIKEWISE WE HAVE TO TAKE        
EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH MEANS    
THE REINTRODUCTION OF           
EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH MEANS    
THE REINTRODUCTION OF           
SLAVERY, IT MEANS EVERYTHING    
THE REINTRODUCTION OF           
SLAVERY, IT MEANS EVERYTHING    
PRACTICED IN THE MEDIEVAL ERA   
SLAVERY, IT MEANS EVERYTHING    
PRACTICED IN THE MEDIEVAL ERA   
NEEDS TO BE REINTRODUCED,       
PRACTICED IN THE MEDIEVAL ERA   
NEEDS TO BE REINTRODUCED,       
DEFEND SLAVERY, CONCUBINES,     
NEEDS TO BE REINTRODUCED,       
DEFEND SLAVERY, CONCUBINES,     
BECAUSE A LITERAL               
DEFEND SLAVERY, CONCUBINES,     
BECAUSE A LITERAL               
INTERPRETATION CAN BE TAKEN     
BECAUSE A LITERAL               
INTERPRETATION CAN BE TAKEN     
FROM ANY OF THE SCRIPTURES.     
INTERPRETATION CAN BE TAKEN     
FROM ANY OF THE SCRIPTURES.     
SO THERE ARE PASSAGES           
FROM ANY OF THE SCRIPTURES.     
SO THERE ARE PASSAGES           
PROBLEMATIC, THEY DO NEED TO    
SO THERE ARE PASSAGES           
PROBLEMATIC, THEY DO NEED TO    
BE LOOKED AT.                   
PROBLEMATIC, THEY DO NEED TO    
BE LOOKED AT.                   
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SCHOLARS   
BE LOOKED AT.                   
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SCHOLARS   
WHO ARE ATTEMPTING THIS WORK.   
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SCHOLARS   
WHO ARE ATTEMPTING THIS WORK.   
MORE ARE NEEDED.                
WHO ARE ATTEMPTING THIS WORK.   
MORE ARE NEEDED.                
>> THANK YOU.                   
MORE ARE NEEDED.                
>> THANK YOU.                   
>> THANK YOU.                   
>> THANK YOU.                   
>> THANK YOU.                   
THERE ARE PASSAGES IN THE OLD   
>> THANK YOU.                   
THERE ARE PASSAGES IN THE OLD   
TESTAMENT, BUT WHAT PEOPLE      
THERE ARE PASSAGES IN THE OLD   
TESTAMENT, BUT WHAT PEOPLE      
DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IS A    
TESTAMENT, BUT WHAT PEOPLE      
DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IS A    
LOT OF THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED   
DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IS A    
LOT OF THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED   
EARLIER, A LOT OF THE           
LOT OF THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED   
EARLIER, A LOT OF THE           
DEVELOPMENTS OF THE             
EARLIER, A LOT OF THE           
DEVELOPMENTS OF THE             
JURISPRUDENCE AND DIFFERENT     
DEVELOPMENTS OF THE             
JURISPRUDENCE AND DIFFERENT     
OPINIONS OF LAW WERE            
JURISPRUDENCE AND DIFFERENT     
OPINIONS OF LAW WERE            
DEVELOPED PHAERPBGS MANY        
OPINIONS OF LAW WERE            
DEVELOPED PHAERPBGS MANY        
YEARS AGO, HUNDREDS -- 500,     
DEVELOPED PHAERPBGS MANY        
YEARS AGO, HUNDREDS -- 500,     
100,000 YEARS AGO.              
YEARS AGO, HUNDREDS -- 500,     
100,000 YEARS AGO.              
UNFORTUNATELY, MOST PEOPLE      
100,000 YEARS AGO.              
UNFORTUNATELY, MOST PEOPLE      
FROM TODAY, PEOPLE FROM THE     
UNFORTUNATELY, MOST PEOPLE      
FROM TODAY, PEOPLE FROM THE     
RIGHT, INCLUDING WHO YOU        
FROM TODAY, PEOPLE FROM THE     
RIGHT, INCLUDING WHO YOU        
REFERRED TO AS AL-QAEDA, HAVE   
RIGHT, INCLUDING WHO YOU        
REFERRED TO AS AL-QAEDA, HAVE   
NOT STUDIED THIS.               
REFERRED TO AS AL-QAEDA, HAVE   
NOT STUDIED THIS.               
WHEN YOU STUDY OUR              
NOT STUDIED THIS.               
WHEN YOU STUDY OUR              
JURISPRUDENCE, AND SEEK         
WHEN YOU STUDY OUR              
JURISPRUDENCE, AND SEEK         
OPINIONS, AND THERE'S A         
JURISPRUDENCE, AND SEEK         
OPINIONS, AND THERE'S A         
FAMOUS QUESTION, ASK A JEW1     
OPINIONS, AND THERE'S A         
FAMOUS QUESTION, ASK A JEW1     
QUESTION, GET FIVE ANSWERS,     
FAMOUS QUESTION, ASK A JEW1     
QUESTION, GET FIVE ANSWERS,     
WHAT'S OUR TRADITION.           
QUESTION, GET FIVE ANSWERS,     
WHAT'S OUR TRADITION.           
THE JEWISH PRINT IS EXTREMELY   
WHAT'S OUR TRADITION.           
THE JEWISH PRINT IS EXTREMELY   
SOPHISTICATED, AND ITS          
THE JEWISH PRINT IS EXTREMELY   
SOPHISTICATED, AND ITS          
HERITAGE HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN.    
SOPHISTICATED, AND ITS          
HERITAGE HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN.    
MUCH OF OUR LITERARY            
HERITAGE HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN.    
MUCH OF OUR LITERARY            
HERITAGE, OUR INTELLECTUAL      
MUCH OF OUR LITERARY            
HERITAGE, OUR INTELLECTUAL      
HERITAGE, MOST OF THESE         
HERITAGE, OUR INTELLECTUAL      
HERITAGE, MOST OF THESE         
QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN     
HERITAGE, MOST OF THESE         
QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN     
ADDRESSED.                      
QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN     
ADDRESSED.                      
WHEN YOU BEGAN STUDYING IT,     
ADDRESSED.                      
WHEN YOU BEGAN STUDYING IT,     
YOU DISCOVERED THAT SCHOLARS    
WHEN YOU BEGAN STUDYING IT,     
YOU DISCOVERED THAT SCHOLARS    
FROM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN           
YOU DISCOVERED THAT SCHOLARS    
FROM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN           
CENTURIES AGO HAD ADDRESSED     
FROM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN           
CENTURIES AGO HAD ADDRESSED     
THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE       
CENTURIES AGO HAD ADDRESSED     
THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE       
PEOPLE ARE NOW ASKING IT ALL    
THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE       
PEOPLE ARE NOW ASKING IT ALL    
OVER AGAIN AS IF IT HAD NOT     
PEOPLE ARE NOW ASKING IT ALL    
OVER AGAIN AS IF IT HAD NOT     
BEEN DONE.                      
OVER AGAIN AS IF IT HAD NOT     
BEEN DONE.                      
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, YES,     
BEEN DONE.                      
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, YES,     
IT IS NOT PERFECTION.           
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, YES,     
IT IS NOT PERFECTION.           
EVEN IN AMERICA, THERE IS       
IT IS NOT PERFECTION.           
EVEN IN AMERICA, THERE IS       
ONGOING ISSUES ABOUT, YOU       
EVEN IN AMERICA, THERE IS       
ONGOING ISSUES ABOUT, YOU       
KNOW, EQUALITY OF PAY, OR       
ONGOING ISSUES ABOUT, YOU       
KNOW, EQUALITY OF PAY, OR       
BETWEEN GENDERS, UNTIL          
KNOW, EQUALITY OF PAY, OR       
BETWEEN GENDERS, UNTIL          
RECENTLY.                       
BETWEEN GENDERS, UNTIL          
RECENTLY.                       
SO IN THE MUSLIM WORLD,         
RECENTLY.                       
SO IN THE MUSLIM WORLD,         
THINGS AREN'T PERFECT.          
SO IN THE MUSLIM WORLD,         
THINGS AREN'T PERFECT.          
BUT YOU GO TO DIFFERENT         
THINGS AREN'T PERFECT.          
BUT YOU GO TO DIFFERENT         
COUNTRIES, YOU WILL NOT SEE     
BUT YOU GO TO DIFFERENT         
COUNTRIES, YOU WILL NOT SEE     
THAT THE ISSUES OF -- TO        
COUNTRIES, YOU WILL NOT SEE     
THAT THE ISSUES OF -- TO        
CLAIM THIS ISSUE, TO FORM A     
THAT THE ISSUES OF -- TO        
CLAIM THIS ISSUE, TO FORM A     
NEGATIVE ACROSS THE MUSLIM      
CLAIM THIS ISSUE, TO FORM A     
NEGATIVE ACROSS THE MUSLIM      
WORLD IS A MYTH.                
NEGATIVE ACROSS THE MUSLIM      
WORLD IS A MYTH.                
>> THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A      
WORLD IS A MYTH.                
>> THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A      
MAN.                            
>> THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A      
MAN.                            
>> NO!                          
MAN.                            
>> NO!                          
>>  GO TO MALAYSIA, TO MANY     
>> NO!                          
>>  GO TO MALAYSIA, TO MANY     
COUNTRIES.                      
>>  GO TO MALAYSIA, TO MANY     
COUNTRIES.                      
MANY OF THESE ISSUES THAT YOU   
COUNTRIES.                      
MANY OF THESE ISSUES THAT YOU   
ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVE          
MANY OF THESE ISSUES THAT YOU   
ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVE          
DIFFERENT STATUS.               
ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVE          
DIFFERENT STATUS.               
THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE WOMEN      
DIFFERENT STATUS.               
THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE WOMEN      
HEADS OF STATE.                 
THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE WOMEN      
HEADS OF STATE.                 
WE ARE WAITING FOR A FEMALE     
HEADS OF STATE.                 
WE ARE WAITING FOR A FEMALE     
PRESIDENT IN THE UNITED         
WE ARE WAITING FOR A FEMALE     
PRESIDENT IN THE UNITED         
STATES.                         
PRESIDENT IN THE UNITED         
STATES.                         
>> WE MUST HAVE A MUSLIM        
STATES.                         
>> WE MUST HAVE A MUSLIM        
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED         
>> WE MUST HAVE A MUSLIM        
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED         
STATES.                         
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED         
STATES.                         
>> I MUST -- UNLESS YOU         
STATES.                         
>> I MUST -- UNLESS YOU         
BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS ONE!      
>> I MUST -- UNLESS YOU         
BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS ONE!      
>>  BUT THE FACT OF THE         
BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS ONE!      
>>  BUT THE FACT OF THE         
MATTER IS -- AND A LOT OF       
>>  BUT THE FACT OF THE         
MATTER IS -- AND A LOT OF       
THESE THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH    
MATTER IS -- AND A LOT OF       
THESE THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH    
THE PARTICULAR CULTURES         
THESE THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH    
THE PARTICULAR CULTURES         
INVOLVED.                       
THE PARTICULAR CULTURES         
INVOLVED.                       
WOMEN CAN'T DRIVE IN SAUDI      
INVOLVED.                       
WOMEN CAN'T DRIVE IN SAUDI      
ARABIA, BUT WOMEN ARE DOING     
WOMEN CAN'T DRIVE IN SAUDI      
ARABIA, BUT WOMEN ARE DOING     
ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN OTHER    
ARABIA, BUT WOMEN ARE DOING     
ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN OTHER    
COUNTRIES.                      
ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN OTHER    
COUNTRIES.                      
>> THERE IS A STUDY, 99.3% OF   
COUNTRIES.                      
>> THERE IS A STUDY, 99.3% OF   
EGYPTIAN WOMEN ARE SUBJECTED    
>> THERE IS A STUDY, 99.3% OF   
EGYPTIAN WOMEN ARE SUBJECTED    
TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT.           
EGYPTIAN WOMEN ARE SUBJECTED    
TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT.           
THEY CAN'T LEAVE THEIR HOMES.   
TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT.           
THEY CAN'T LEAVE THEIR HOMES.   
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?        
THEY CAN'T LEAVE THEIR HOMES.   
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?        
>> THAT'S TERRIBLE.             
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?        
>> THAT'S TERRIBLE.             
>> I'M VERY MUCH AGAINST IT.    
>> THAT'S TERRIBLE.             
>> I'M VERY MUCH AGAINST IT.    
BUT I'M SAYING THAT YOU         
>> I'M VERY MUCH AGAINST IT.    
BUT I'M SAYING THAT YOU         
CANNOT MAKE A GENERALIZED       
BUT I'M SAYING THAT YOU         
CANNOT MAKE A GENERALIZED       
STATEMENT AND PAINT THIS        
CANNOT MAKE A GENERALIZED       
STATEMENT AND PAINT THIS        
CAN'T THAT WOMEN CAN'T DRIVE    
STATEMENT AND PAINT THIS        
CAN'T THAT WOMEN CAN'T DRIVE    
ALL OVER THE MUSLIM WORLD.      
CAN'T THAT WOMEN CAN'T DRIVE    
ALL OVER THE MUSLIM WORLD.      
THAT'S NOT TRUE.                
ALL OVER THE MUSLIM WORLD.      
THAT'S NOT TRUE.                
>> I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE      
THAT'S NOT TRUE.                
>> I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE      
CURRENT, THE NEXT SEGMENT HAS   
>> I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE      
CURRENT, THE NEXT SEGMENT HAS   
PUT THE ISSUE OF WOMEN'S        
CURRENT, THE NEXT SEGMENT HAS   
PUT THE ISSUE OF WOMEN'S        
RIGHTS AS NUMBER ONE ON THE     
PUT THE ISSUE OF WOMEN'S        
RIGHTS AS NUMBER ONE ON THE     
AGENDA.                         
RIGHTS AS NUMBER ONE ON THE     
AGENDA.                         
WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO         
AGENDA.                         
WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO         
EDUCATE PEOPLE, TO EDUCATE      
WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO         
EDUCATE PEOPLE, TO EDUCATE      
IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN ON THE     
EDUCATE PEOPLE, TO EDUCATE      
IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN ON THE     
RIGHTS OF DAUGHTER, ACCORDING   
IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN ON THE     
RIGHTS OF DAUGHTER, ACCORDING   
TO ISLAMIC LAW, WHICH PEOPLE    
RIGHTS OF DAUGHTER, ACCORDING   
TO ISLAMIC LAW, WHICH PEOPLE    
DIDN'T KNOW.                    
TO ISLAMIC LAW, WHICH PEOPLE    
DIDN'T KNOW.                    
THERE'S A LOT OFIG CENTERANS    
DIDN'T KNOW.                    
THERE'S A LOT OFIG CENTERANS    
IN THE MUSLIM -- OF             
THERE'S A LOT OFIG CENTERANS    
IN THE MUSLIM -- OF             
IGNORANCE.                      
IN THE MUSLIM -- OF             
IGNORANCE.                      
THIS ISSUE OF MALALA, IT'S A    
IGNORANCE.                      
THIS ISSUE OF MALALA, IT'S A    
TRAVESTY, THE PROPHET HAS       
THIS ISSUE OF MALALA, IT'S A    
TRAVESTY, THE PROPHET HAS       
SAID IN HADITH, THE MUSLIM IS   
TRAVESTY, THE PROPHET HAS       
SAID IN HADITH, THE MUSLIM IS   
TO LEARN FROM THE CRADLE TO     
SAID IN HADITH, THE MUSLIM IS   
TO LEARN FROM THE CRADLE TO     
THE GRAVE.                      
TO LEARN FROM THE CRADLE TO     
THE GRAVE.                      
WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF WOMEN WHO   
THE GRAVE.                      
WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF WOMEN WHO   
ARE SCHOLARS, SO THIS IDEA OF   
WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF WOMEN WHO   
ARE SCHOLARS, SO THIS IDEA OF   
SHOOTING MALALA BECAUSE SHE     
ARE SCHOLARS, SO THIS IDEA OF   
SHOOTING MALALA BECAUSE SHE     
WANTED TO GET AN EDUCATION,     
SHOOTING MALALA BECAUSE SHE     
WANTED TO GET AN EDUCATION,     
IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS      
WANTED TO GET AN EDUCATION,     
IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS      
WITH OUR FUNDAMENTAL            
IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS      
WITH OUR FUNDAMENTAL            
HERITAGE.                       
WITH OUR FUNDAMENTAL            
HERITAGE.                       
THESE ARE THE ISSUES WHICH WE   
HERITAGE.                       
THESE ARE THE ISSUES WHICH WE   
NEED TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE      
THESE ARE THE ISSUES WHICH WE   
NEED TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE      
ON.                             
NEED TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE      
ON.                             
>> LET ME BRING TO YOU, AND I   
ON.                             
>> LET ME BRING TO YOU, AND I   
THINK THE ANSWER THAT YOU'VE    
>> LET ME BRING TO YOU, AND I   
THINK THE ANSWER THAT YOU'VE    
GIVEN TO THE NEXT QUESTION      
THINK THE ANSWER THAT YOU'VE    
GIVEN TO THE NEXT QUESTION      
SOUNDS LIKE YES, LINDA ASKS     
GIVEN TO THE NEXT QUESTION      
SOUNDS LIKE YES, LINDA ASKS     
ARE MODERATE MUSLIMS SIMPLY     
SOUNDS LIKE YES, LINDA ASKS     
ARE MODERATE MUSLIMS SIMPLY     
CHOOSING TO IGNORE VIOLENT      
ARE MODERATE MUSLIMS SIMPLY     
CHOOSING TO IGNORE VIOLENT      
PASSAGES IN THE CURAN, SEEING   
CHOOSING TO IGNORE VIOLENT      
PASSAGES IN THE CURAN, SEEING   
THEM AS A PRODUCT OF CERTAIN    
PASSAGES IN THE CURAN, SEEING   
THEM AS A PRODUCT OF CERTAIN    
TIME AND PLACE, JUST AS MOST    
THEM AS A PRODUCT OF CERTAIN    
TIME AND PLACE, JUST AS MOST    
CHRISTIANS DO WITH THE          
TIME AND PLACE, JUST AS MOST    
CHRISTIANS DO WITH THE          
STPWHAOEUBL.                    
CHRISTIANS DO WITH THE          
STPWHAOEUBL.                    
>> IT'S NOT ONLY TRUE, BUT      
STPWHAOEUBL.                    
>> IT'S NOT ONLY TRUE, BUT      
WHAT PEOPLE -- PEOPLE NEED TO   
>> IT'S NOT ONLY TRUE, BUT      
WHAT PEOPLE -- PEOPLE NEED TO   
UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURAN IS    
WHAT PEOPLE -- PEOPLE NEED TO   
UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURAN IS    
NOT -- NOT EVERY VERSE IS       
UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURAN IS    
NOT -- NOT EVERY VERSE IS       
REGARDED AS RELEVANT OR AS      
NOT -- NOT EVERY VERSE IS       
REGARDED AS RELEVANT OR AS      
UNIVERSAL.                      
REGARDED AS RELEVANT OR AS      
UNIVERSAL.                      
THERE'S A MYTH THAT MANY        
UNIVERSAL.                      
THERE'S A MYTH THAT MANY        
MUSLIMS IN THIS LAST CENTURY    
THERE'S A MYTH THAT MANY        
MUSLIMS IN THIS LAST CENTURY    
HAVE BEGUN TO ADOPT, THAT       
MUSLIMS IN THIS LAST CENTURY    
HAVE BEGUN TO ADOPT, THAT       
EVERY VERSE IN THE CURAN IS     
HAVE BEGUN TO ADOPT, THAT       
EVERY VERSE IN THE CURAN IS     
ETERNAL APPLICABLE IN EVERY     
EVERY VERSE IN THE CURAN IS     
ETERNAL APPLICABLE IN EVERY     
CONTEXT.                        
ETERNAL APPLICABLE IN EVERY     
CONTEXT.                        
THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR         
CONTEXT.                        
THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR         
INTELLECTUAL JUDICIAL           
THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR         
INTELLECTUAL JUDICIAL           
TRADITION.                      
INTELLECTUAL JUDICIAL           
TRADITION.                      
THIS IS WHERE MISTAKES HAVE     
TRADITION.                      
THIS IS WHERE MISTAKES HAVE     
BEGUN TO OCCUR.                 
THIS IS WHERE MISTAKES HAVE     
BEGUN TO OCCUR.                 
SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF         
BEGUN TO OCCUR.                 
SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF         
MODERATES, YES.                 
SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF         
MODERATES, YES.                 
BUT THOSE WHO ARE SCHOLARLY     
MODERATES, YES.                 
BUT THOSE WHO ARE SCHOLARLY     
AND UNDERSTAND THE              
BUT THOSE WHO ARE SCHOLARLY     
AND UNDERSTAND THE              
JURISPRUDENCE ARE ABLE TO       
AND UNDERSTAND THE              
JURISPRUDENCE ARE ABLE TO       
ARGUE.                          
JURISPRUDENCE ARE ABLE TO       
ARGUE.                          
THIS IS WHY THE WORK THEY DO    
ARGUE.                          
THIS IS WHY THE WORK THEY DO    
IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE YOU       
THIS IS WHY THE WORK THEY DO    
IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE YOU       
CANNOT CREATE CHANGE FROM THE   
IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE YOU       
CANNOT CREATE CHANGE FROM THE   
OUTSIDE.                        
CANNOT CREATE CHANGE FROM THE   
OUTSIDE.                        
YOU HAVE TO CREATE CHANGE       
OUTSIDE.                        
YOU HAVE TO CREATE CHANGE       
FROM WITHIN.                    
YOU HAVE TO CREATE CHANGE       
FROM WITHIN.                    
THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC           
FROM WITHIN.                    
THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC           
BISHOPS, THE WRITINGS OF        
THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC           
BISHOPS, THE WRITINGS OF        
PEOPLE LIKE JOHN COURTNEY       
BISHOPS, THE WRITINGS OF        
PEOPLE LIKE JOHN COURTNEY       
MURRAY, THAT CHANGED THE        
PEOPLE LIKE JOHN COURTNEY       
MURRAY, THAT CHANGED THE        
VATICAN'S POSITION ON           
MURRAY, THAT CHANGED THE        
VATICAN'S POSITION ON           
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND        
VATICAN'S POSITION ON           
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND        
STATE, UNTIL VATICAN TWO IN     
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND        
STATE, UNTIL VATICAN TWO IN     
1965, THE VATICAN DIDN'T        
STATE, UNTIL VATICAN TWO IN     
1965, THE VATICAN DIDN'T        
SUBSCRIBE TO A SEPARATION OF    
1965, THE VATICAN DIDN'T        
SUBSCRIBE TO A SEPARATION OF    
CHURCH AND STATE.               
SUBSCRIBE TO A SEPARATION OF    
CHURCH AND STATE.               
SO IT HAS TO BE DONE FROM       
CHURCH AND STATE.               
SO IT HAS TO BE DONE FROM       
SCHOLARSHIP AND FROM WITHIN.    
SO IT HAS TO BE DONE FROM       
SCHOLARSHIP AND FROM WITHIN.    
>> IF CHANGE NEEDS TO COME      
SCHOLARSHIP AND FROM WITHIN.    
>> IF CHANGE NEEDS TO COME      
FROM INSIDE -- YOU COMMENTED    
>> IF CHANGE NEEDS TO COME      
FROM INSIDE -- YOU COMMENTED    
ON THIS, BUT YOU STEPPED        
FROM INSIDE -- YOU COMMENTED    
ON THIS, BUT YOU STEPPED        
OUTSIDE, WHERE DOES IT PUT      
ON THIS, BUT YOU STEPPED        
OUTSIDE, WHERE DOES IT PUT      
YOU IN THIS?                    
OUTSIDE, WHERE DOES IT PUT      
YOU IN THIS?                    
>> IT'S NOT ONLY ME.            
YOU IN THIS?                    
>> IT'S NOT ONLY ME.            
IT'S NOT THAT THEY --           
>> IT'S NOT ONLY ME.            
IT'S NOT THAT THEY --           
THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF       
IT'S NOT THAT THEY --           
THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF       
ISLAM.                          
THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF       
ISLAM.                          
THERE HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUALS     
ISLAM.                          
THERE HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUALS     
WHO CALL FOR SOME FORM OF       
THERE HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUALS     
WHO CALL FOR SOME FORM OF       
INNOVATION, BUT THEN WHAT       
WHO CALL FOR SOME FORM OF       
INNOVATION, BUT THEN WHAT       
HAPPENS?                        
INNOVATION, BUT THEN WHAT       
HAPPENS?                        
THEY GET OXRA SIZED, THEY GET   
HAPPENS?                        
THEY GET OXRA SIZED, THEY GET   
KICKED OUT, THEY ARE THROWN     
THEY GET OXRA SIZED, THEY GET   
KICKED OUT, THEY ARE THROWN     
INTO EXILE OR PRISON OR THEY    
KICKED OUT, THEY ARE THROWN     
INTO EXILE OR PRISON OR THEY    
ARE KILLED, AND THAT NEEDS TO   
INTO EXILE OR PRISON OR THEY    
ARE KILLED, AND THAT NEEDS TO   
STOP.                           
ARE KILLED, AND THAT NEEDS TO   
STOP.                           
I THINK IT'S A HUGE PROGRESS    
STOP.                           
I THINK IT'S A HUGE PROGRESS    
THAT THE THREE OF US ARE        
I THINK IT'S A HUGE PROGRESS    
THAT THE THREE OF US ARE        
SITTING HERE TONIGHT.           
THAT THE THREE OF US ARE        
SITTING HERE TONIGHT.           
>> BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT       
SITTING HERE TONIGHT.           
>> BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT       
QUESTION FROM THE ONE -- YOU    
>> BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT       
QUESTION FROM THE ONE -- YOU    
MADE A PERSONAL CHOICE TO       
QUESTION FROM THE ONE -- YOU    
MADE A PERSONAL CHOICE TO       
LEAVE ISLAM.                    
MADE A PERSONAL CHOICE TO       
LEAVE ISLAM.                    
YOU DID NOT LEAVE ISLAM         
LEAVE ISLAM.                    
YOU DID NOT LEAVE ISLAM         
BECAUSE YOU RAISED QUESTIONS    
YOU DID NOT LEAVE ISLAM         
BECAUSE YOU RAISED QUESTIONS    
AND CHALLENGES AND WERE         
BECAUSE YOU RAISED QUESTIONS    
AND CHALLENGES AND WERE         
PUSHED OUT.                     
AND CHALLENGES AND WERE         
PUSHED OUT.                     
YOU ACTUALLY WROTE THAT YOU     
PUSHED OUT.                     
YOU ACTUALLY WROTE THAT YOU     
WERE ENJOYING A GLASS OF WINE   
YOU ACTUALLY WROTE THAT YOU     
WERE ENJOYING A GLASS OF WINE   
AND SAID WHY SHOULD I GO TO     
WERE ENJOYING A GLASS OF WINE   
AND SAID WHY SHOULD I GO TO     
HELL FOR THIS WAS KIND OF       
AND SAID WHY SHOULD I GO TO     
HELL FOR THIS WAS KIND OF       
YOUR TURNING POINT MOMENT.      
HELL FOR THIS WAS KIND OF       
YOUR TURNING POINT MOMENT.      
SO IT WAS YOUR CHOICE.          
YOUR TURNING POINT MOMENT.      
SO IT WAS YOUR CHOICE.          
>> I DIDN'T GO OUT AND SAY I    
SO IT WAS YOUR CHOICE.          
>> I DIDN'T GO OUT AND SAY I    
AM NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE    
>> I DIDN'T GO OUT AND SAY I    
AM NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE    
COMMUNITY.                      
AM NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE    
COMMUNITY.                      
BUT JUST BY SEEKING             
COMMUNITY.                      
BUT JUST BY SEEKING             
CONSISTENCE WITH MY MORAL       
BUT JUST BY SEEKING             
CONSISTENCE WITH MY MORAL       
PRACTICE AND MY LIFESTYLE, I    
CONSISTENCE WITH MY MORAL       
PRACTICE AND MY LIFESTYLE, I    
WAS TOLD BY THE COMMUNITY,      
PRACTICE AND MY LIFESTYLE, I    
WAS TOLD BY THE COMMUNITY,      
YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US, YOU      
WAS TOLD BY THE COMMUNITY,      
YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US, YOU      
ARE AN INFEDERALIL, AND BEING   
YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US, YOU      
ARE AN INFEDERALIL, AND BEING   
CALLED AN INFIDDLE AND LIAR     
ARE AN INFEDERALIL, AND BEING   
CALLED AN INFIDDLE AND LIAR     
AND TRADER AND SO ON, I         
CALLED AN INFIDDLE AND LIAR     
AND TRADER AND SO ON, I         
ADOPTED THE TITLE OF INFIDDLE   
AND TRADER AND SO ON, I         
ADOPTED THE TITLE OF INFIDDLE   
AS SOMETHING THAT I AM PROUD    
ADOPTED THE TITLE OF INFIDDLE   
AS SOMETHING THAT I AM PROUD    
OF BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT I      
AS SOMETHING THAT I AM PROUD    
OF BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT I      
LOOK AT MYSELF HONESTLY.        
OF BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT I      
LOOK AT MYSELF HONESTLY.        
>> I'LL BRING THIS FOR THE      
LOOK AT MYSELF HONESTLY.        
>> I'LL BRING THIS FOR THE      
LAST TIME. I'M REALLY ASKING,   
>> I'LL BRING THIS FOR THE      
LAST TIME. I'M REALLY ASKING,   
IF YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE THE      
LAST TIME. I'M REALLY ASKING,   
IF YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE THE      
PHASE TO THE POINT THAT YOU     
IF YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE THE      
PHASE TO THE POINT THAT YOU     
CALLED YOURSELF AN ATHEIST,     
PHASE TO THE POINT THAT YOU     
CALLED YOURSELF AN ATHEIST,     
WHAT STANDING DOES IT GIVE      
CALLED YOURSELF AN ATHEIST,     
WHAT STANDING DOES IT GIVE      
YOU IN THE CONVERSATION TO      
WHAT STANDING DOES IT GIVE      
YOU IN THE CONVERSATION TO      
TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT --   
YOU IN THE CONVERSATION TO      
TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT --   
I'M FOLLOWING THE IMAM'S        
TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT --   
I'M FOLLOWING THE IMAM'S        
POINT OF WORK FROM WITHIN.      
I'M FOLLOWING THE IMAM'S        
POINT OF WORK FROM WITHIN.      
WHERE ARE YOU AT THIS POINT?    
POINT OF WORK FROM WITHIN.      
WHERE ARE YOU AT THIS POINT?    
>> FIRST OF ALL, AS SOMEONE     
WHERE ARE YOU AT THIS POINT?    
>> FIRST OF ALL, AS SOMEONE     
WHO HAS -- WHEN YOU SAY         
>> FIRST OF ALL, AS SOMEONE     
WHO HAS -- WHEN YOU SAY         
STEPPED OUT, I DON'T MEAN       
WHO HAS -- WHEN YOU SAY         
STEPPED OUT, I DON'T MEAN       
STEPPED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY    
STEPPED OUT, I DON'T MEAN       
STEPPED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY    
BUT STEPPED OUT OF THE IDEA     
STEPPED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY    
BUT STEPPED OUT OF THE IDEA     
THAT I'M GOING TO BURN IN       
BUT STEPPED OUT OF THE IDEA     
THAT I'M GOING TO BURN IN       
HELL UNLESS I SUBMIT TO A GOD   
THAT I'M GOING TO BURN IN       
HELL UNLESS I SUBMIT TO A GOD   
WHO DE PHAOUPBSS ALL KINDS OF   
HELL UNLESS I SUBMIT TO A GOD   
WHO DE PHAOUPBSS ALL KINDS OF   
THINGS THAT I FIND IMMORAL,     
WHO DE PHAOUPBSS ALL KINDS OF   
THINGS THAT I FIND IMMORAL,     
SO I FIND THAT REACHING THAT    
THINGS THAT I FIND IMMORAL,     
SO I FIND THAT REACHING THAT    
MENTAL STATE OF CONSISTENCE     
SO I FIND THAT REACHING THAT    
MENTAL STATE OF CONSISTENCE     
AND BEING AT PEACE WITH WHAT    
MENTAL STATE OF CONSISTENCE     
AND BEING AT PEACE WITH WHAT    
I AM AND WHO I AM, IT'S SO      
AND BEING AT PEACE WITH WHAT    
I AM AND WHO I AM, IT'S SO      
MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO NOW       
I AM AND WHO I AM, IT'S SO      
MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO NOW       
LOOK BACK AND READ THE CURAN,   
MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO NOW       
LOOK BACK AND READ THE CURAN,   
BUT THIS TIME, WITH NEW EYES    
LOOK BACK AND READ THE CURAN,   
BUT THIS TIME, WITH NEW EYES    
SAND THINK HERE ARE THINGS      
BUT THIS TIME, WITH NEW EYES    
SAND THINK HERE ARE THINGS      
THAT I WOULD EDIT OUT.          
SAND THINK HERE ARE THINGS      
THAT I WOULD EDIT OUT.          
A LOOK AT THE PROPHET           
THAT I WOULD EDIT OUT.          
A LOOK AT THE PROPHET           
MOHAMMED, I CAN COME TO -- I    
A LOOK AT THE PROPHET           
MOHAMMED, I CAN COME TO -- I    
MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THINGS THAT   
MOHAMMED, I CAN COME TO -- I    
MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THINGS THAT   
HE, FOR INSTANCE, SAID, AT      
MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THINGS THAT   
HE, FOR INSTANCE, SAID, AT      
THAT POINT, THE KILLING AND     
HE, FOR INSTANCE, SAID, AT      
THAT POINT, THE KILLING AND     
BURYING OF LITTLE GIRLS, THAT   
THAT POINT, THE KILLING AND     
BURYING OF LITTLE GIRLS, THAT   
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS       
BURYING OF LITTLE GIRLS, THAT   
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS       
FORBIDDEN.                      
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS       
FORBIDDEN.                      
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SEVENTH   
FORBIDDEN.                      
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SEVENTH   
CENTURY, THE PROPHET MOHAMMED   
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SEVENTH   
CENTURY, THE PROPHET MOHAMMED   
MADE OR CREATED LAWS THAT       
CENTURY, THE PROPHET MOHAMMED   
MADE OR CREATED LAWS THAT       
ADVANCED THE POSITION OF        
MADE OR CREATED LAWS THAT       
ADVANCED THE POSITION OF        
WOMEN AT THAT TIME, BUT IT'S    
ADVANCED THE POSITION OF        
WOMEN AT THAT TIME, BUT IT'S    
ALSO POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT HIS    
WOMEN AT THAT TIME, BUT IT'S    
ALSO POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT HIS    
OWN LIFESTYLE CRITICALLY AND    
ALSO POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT HIS    
OWN LIFESTYLE CRITICALLY AND    
WHAT CAME AFTERWARDS AND TO     
OWN LIFESTYLE CRITICALLY AND    
WHAT CAME AFTERWARDS AND TO     
SAY IN THE 20TH AND 21ST        
WHAT CAME AFTERWARDS AND TO     
SAY IN THE 20TH AND 21ST        
CENTURY, WE NEED TO REFLECT     
SAY IN THE 20TH AND 21ST        
CENTURY, WE NEED TO REFLECT     
ON THIS AND REFORM THIS, AND    
CENTURY, WE NEED TO REFLECT     
ON THIS AND REFORM THIS, AND    
IT SEEMS TO ME AS IF YOU --     
ON THIS AND REFORM THIS, AND    
IT SEEMS TO ME AS IF YOU --     
IF YOU REMAIN A BELIEVER, A     
IT SEEMS TO ME AS IF YOU --     
IF YOU REMAIN A BELIEVER, A     
MUSLIM BELIEVER, THAT IT        
IF YOU REMAIN A BELIEVER, A     
MUSLIM BELIEVER, THAT IT        
BECOMES VERY HARD TO ARGUE      
MUSLIM BELIEVER, THAT IT        
BECOMES VERY HARD TO ARGUE      
WITH THE CONCEPT OF GOD, OR     
BECOMES VERY HARD TO ARGUE      
WITH THE CONCEPT OF GOD, OR     
TO ARGUE WITH THE MORAL GUIDE   
WITH THE CONCEPT OF GOD, OR     
TO ARGUE WITH THE MORAL GUIDE   
OF ISLAM.                       
TO ARGUE WITH THE MORAL GUIDE   
OF ISLAM.                       
I MEAN, THIS GENTLEMEN          
OF ISLAM.                       
I MEAN, THIS GENTLEMEN          
SITTING HERE TONIGHT            
I MEAN, THIS GENTLEMEN          
SITTING HERE TONIGHT            
DEMONSTRATE THAT.               
SITTING HERE TONIGHT            
DEMONSTRATE THAT.               
THE CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.   
DEMONSTRATE THAT.               
THE CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.   
EVERYONE HAS MISUNDERSTOOD IT   
THE CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.   
EVERYONE HAS MISUNDERSTOOD IT   
CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.       
EVERYONE HAS MISUNDERSTOOD IT   
CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.       
CRITICIZE IT AND HAVE           
CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.       
CRITICIZE IT AND HAVE           
MISUNDERSTOOD IT.               
CRITICIZE IT AND HAVE           
MISUNDERSTOOD IT.               
IF YOU BECOME AN ATHEIST,       
MISUNDERSTOOD IT.               
IF YOU BECOME AN ATHEIST,       
THEN YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT    
IF YOU BECOME AN ATHEIST,       
THEN YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT    
FLINCHING.                      
THEN YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT    
FLINCHING.                      
>> I THINK THE VERY FACT        
FLINCHING.                      
>> I THINK THE VERY FACT        
WE'RE HERE, I MEAN, THE ROLE    
>> I THINK THE VERY FACT        
WE'RE HERE, I MEAN, THE ROLE    
THAT AAYAN CAN HAVE IN THIS     
WE'RE HERE, I MEAN, THE ROLE    
THAT AAYAN CAN HAVE IN THIS     
DEBATE, I THINK SHE HAS A       
THAT AAYAN CAN HAVE IN THIS     
DEBATE, I THINK SHE HAS A       
ROLE, AND I THINK THAT I'M      
DEBATE, I THINK SHE HAS A       
ROLE, AND I THINK THAT I'M      
GOING TO GET INTO A LOT OF      
ROLE, AND I THINK THAT I'M      
GOING TO GET INTO A LOT OF      
TROUBLE FOR SAYING THIS, BUT    
GOING TO GET INTO A LOT OF      
TROUBLE FOR SAYING THIS, BUT    
SHE HAS A ROLE, AND IT'S        
TROUBLE FOR SAYING THIS, BUT    
SHE HAS A ROLE, AND IT'S        
CRUCIAL, AND THAT IS THAT       
SHE HAS A ROLE, AND IT'S        
CRUCIAL, AND THAT IS THAT       
THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE        
CRUCIAL, AND THAT IS THAT       
THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE        
TAKEN FAR TOO LONG TO HAPPEN    
THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE        
TAKEN FAR TOO LONG TO HAPPEN    
WITHIN MUSLIM COMMUNITIES.      
TAKEN FAR TOO LONG TO HAPPEN    
WITHIN MUSLIM COMMUNITIES.      
WE AS MUSLIMS HAVE TO COME TO   
WITHIN MUSLIM COMMUNITIES.      
WE AS MUSLIMS HAVE TO COME TO   
TERMS.                          
WE AS MUSLIMS HAVE TO COME TO   
TERMS.                          
WE HAVE TO COME TO TERMS WITH   
TERMS.                          
WE HAVE TO COME TO TERMS WITH   
THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE A   
WE HAVE TO COME TO TERMS WITH   
THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE A   
PORTION FROM WITHIN OUR         
THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE A   
PORTION FROM WITHIN OUR         
COMMUNITIES WHOSE CONSCIENCE    
PORTION FROM WITHIN OUR         
COMMUNITIES WHOSE CONSCIENCE    
DICK STATE TOSS THEM THEY NO    
COMMUNITIES WHOSE CONSCIENCE    
DICK STATE TOSS THEM THEY NO    
LONGER WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE   
DICK STATE TOSS THEM THEY NO    
LONGER WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE   
FAITH AND WE HAVE TO COME       
LONGER WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE   
FAITH AND WE HAVE TO COME       
WITH TERMS WITH HOW TO DEAL     
FAITH AND WE HAVE TO COME       
WITH TERMS WITH HOW TO DEAL     
WITH THAT IN A CIVIL CONTEXT    
WITH TERMS WITH HOW TO DEAL     
WITH THAT IN A CIVIL CONTEXT    
AND HAVE CIVIL CONVERSATIONS.   
WITH THAT IN A CIVIL CONTEXT    
AND HAVE CIVIL CONVERSATIONS.   
I SPEAK TO AAYAN ON STAGE, I    
AND HAVE CIVIL CONVERSATIONS.   
I SPEAK TO AAYAN ON STAGE, I    
LIKE HER, SHE WAS VERY POLITE   
I SPEAK TO AAYAN ON STAGE, I    
LIKE HER, SHE WAS VERY POLITE   
TO THE LADIES.                  
LIKE HER, SHE WAS VERY POLITE   
TO THE LADIES.                  
I CALL UPON EVERY OTHER         
TO THE LADIES.                  
I CALL UPON EVERY OTHER         
MUSLIM LISTENING TONIGHT,       
I CALL UPON EVERY OTHER         
MUSLIM LISTENING TONIGHT,       
THEY WILL COME ACROSS           
MUSLIM LISTENING TONIGHT,       
THEY WILL COME ACROSS           
EX-MUSLIMS IN THEIR LIFE,       
THEY WILL COME ACROSS           
EX-MUSLIMS IN THEIR LIFE,       
BECAUSE THEY ARE A GROWING      
EX-MUSLIMS IN THEIR LIFE,       
BECAUSE THEY ARE A GROWING      
NUMBER, TO RECONCILE            
BECAUSE THEY ARE A GROWING      
NUMBER, TO RECONCILE            
THEMSELVES TO THIS FACT, THAT   
NUMBER, TO RECONCILE            
THEMSELVES TO THIS FACT, THAT   
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE AMONG      
THEMSELVES TO THIS FACT, THAT   
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE AMONG      
THESE COMMUNITIES WHOSE         
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE AMONG      
THESE COMMUNITIES WHOSE         
CONSCIENCE DICTATES TO THEM     
THESE COMMUNITIES WHOSE         
CONSCIENCE DICTATES TO THEM     
THEY NO LONGER WANT TO          
CONSCIENCE DICTATES TO THEM     
THEY NO LONGER WANT TO          
BELIEVE AND OUR RESPONSE TO     
THEY NO LONGER WANT TO          
BELIEVE AND OUR RESPONSE TO     
THAT MUSTING -- MUST BE THAT    
BELIEVE AND OUR RESPONSE TO     
THAT MUSTING -- MUST BE THAT    
IMAM IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER,     
THAT MUSTING -- MUST BE THAT    
IMAM IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER,     
HE IS NOT SWEARING AT HER,      
IMAM IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER,     
HE IS NOT SWEARING AT HER,      
SPITTING AT HER AND OTHER       
HE IS NOT SWEARING AT HER,      
SPITTING AT HER AND OTHER       
MUSLIMS NEED TO TAKE LESSON     
SPITTING AT HER AND OTHER       
MUSLIMS NEED TO TAKE LESSON     
FROM THIS, BECAUSE FRANK        
MUSLIMS NEED TO TAKE LESSON     
FROM THIS, BECAUSE FRANK        
WILL, OUT THERE ON THE          
FROM THIS, BECAUSE FRANK        
WILL, OUT THERE ON THE          
STREETS, THAT IS THE SORT OF    
WILL, OUT THERE ON THE          
STREETS, THAT IS THE SORT OF    
REACTION, IT'S A SEVERE,        
STREETS, THAT IS THE SORT OF    
REACTION, IT'S A SEVERE,        
VIOLENT REACTION.               
REACTION, IT'S A SEVERE,        
VIOLENT REACTION.               
>> ON THE QUESTION OF           
VIOLENT REACTION.               
>> ON THE QUESTION OF           
LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE THIS        
>> ON THE QUESTION OF           
LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE THIS        
QUESTION THAT IS SIGNED         
LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE THIS        
QUESTION THAT IS SIGNED         
LUTHERAN IN WILLIAMSBURG.       
QUESTION THAT IS SIGNED         
LUTHERAN IN WILLIAMSBURG.       
>> FRITZ LUTHERANS IN           
LUTHERAN IN WILLIAMSBURG.       
>> FRITZ LUTHERANS IN           
WILLIAMSBURG.                   
>> FRITZ LUTHERANS IN           
WILLIAMSBURG.                   
THEY ASK, ARE THERE LEADERS     
WILLIAMSBURG.                   
THEY ASK, ARE THERE LEADERS     
IN ISLAM WHO ARE CHOSEN TO BE   
THEY ASK, ARE THERE LEADERS     
IN ISLAM WHO ARE CHOSEN TO BE   
SPOKESMEN ON A WIDER PLAIN,     
IN ISLAM WHO ARE CHOSEN TO BE   
SPOKESMEN ON A WIDER PLAIN,     
SUCH AS A POPE OR PRESIDING     
SPOKESMEN ON A WIDER PLAIN,     
SUCH AS A POPE OR PRESIDING     
BISHOP?                         
SUCH AS A POPE OR PRESIDING     
BISHOP?                         
I'M WONDERING WHEN              
BISHOP?                         
I'M WONDERING WHEN              
ANEXTREMIST PERPETUATES AN      
I'M WONDERING WHEN              
ANEXTREMIST PERPETUATES AN      
ACT OF VIOLENCE IN PRAISE OF    
ANEXTREMIST PERPETUATES AN      
ACT OF VIOLENCE IN PRAISE OF    
ALLAH, ARE THERE LEADERS        
ACT OF VIOLENCE IN PRAISE OF    
ALLAH, ARE THERE LEADERS        
BEYOND THE LOCAL MUSLIM         
ALLAH, ARE THERE LEADERS        
BEYOND THE LOCAL MUSLIM         
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE IN THE      
BEYOND THE LOCAL MUSLIM         
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE IN THE      
POSITION OF CONDEMNING SUCH     
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE IN THE      
POSITION OF CONDEMNING SUCH     
AN ACT?                         
POSITION OF CONDEMNING SUCH     
AN ACT?                         
>> OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE       
AN ACT?                         
>> OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE       
DON'T HAVE A CHURCH IN THE      
>> OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE       
DON'T HAVE A CHURCH IN THE      
SENSE THAT THE CHURCHES HAVE    
DON'T HAVE A CHURCH IN THE      
SENSE THAT THE CHURCHES HAVE    
AN ORGANIZED AND VISUALIZED     
SENSE THAT THE CHURCHES HAVE    
AN ORGANIZED AND VISUALIZED     
CHURCH.                         
AN ORGANIZED AND VISUALIZED     
CHURCH.                         
SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO     
CHURCH.                         
SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO     
ARE THE, YOU MIGHT SAY, THE     
SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO     
ARE THE, YOU MIGHT SAY, THE     
EQUIVALENT OF A POPE, OR THE    
ARE THE, YOU MIGHT SAY, THE     
EQUIVALENT OF A POPE, OR THE    
HEAD OF A CHURCH TO MAKE        
EQUIVALENT OF A POPE, OR THE    
HEAD OF A CHURCH TO MAKE        
THOSE PRONOUNCEMENTS.           
HEAD OF A CHURCH TO MAKE        
THOSE PRONOUNCEMENTS.           
HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN        
THOSE PRONOUNCEMENTS.           
HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN        
ISLAMIC SCHOLARS WHO HAVE       
HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN        
ISLAMIC SCHOLARS WHO HAVE       
POSITIONS LIKE THE CHIEF        
ISLAMIC SCHOLARS WHO HAVE       
POSITIONS LIKE THE CHIEF        
MUFTIS OR MAJOR MUSLIM          
POSITIONS LIKE THE CHIEF        
MUFTIS OR MAJOR MUSLIM          
SCHOLARS WHO HAVE MADE SUCH     
MUFTIS OR MAJOR MUSLIM          
SCHOLARS WHO HAVE MADE SUCH     
PRONOUNCEMENTS.                 
SCHOLARS WHO HAVE MADE SUCH     
PRONOUNCEMENTS.                 
>> AND CON -- AND CONDEMN       
PRONOUNCEMENTS.                 
>> AND CON -- AND CONDEMN       
THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE.         
>> AND CON -- AND CONDEMN       
THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE.         
UNFORTUNATELY, THESE MESSAGES   
THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE.         
UNFORTUNATELY, THESE MESSAGES   
ARE NOT HEARD.                  
UNFORTUNATELY, THESE MESSAGES   
ARE NOT HEARD.                  
>> WHY?                         
ARE NOT HEARD.                  
>> WHY?                         
>> THE MEDIA DOESN'T COVER      
>> WHY?                         
>> THE MEDIA DOESN'T COVER      
IT.                             
>> THE MEDIA DOESN'T COVER      
IT.                             
I, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER 9/11, I   
IT.                             
I, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER 9/11, I   
WAS PART OF THE GROUP OF THE    
I, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER 9/11, I   
WAS PART OF THE GROUP OF THE    
PEOPLE WHO CONDEMNED 9/11.      
WAS PART OF THE GROUP OF THE    
PEOPLE WHO CONDEMNED 9/11.      
I WAS APPROACHED -- I'LL GIVE   
PEOPLE WHO CONDEMNED 9/11.      
I WAS APPROACHED -- I'LL GIVE   
YOU A PARTICULAR STORY.         
I WAS APPROACHED -- I'LL GIVE   
YOU A PARTICULAR STORY.         
THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL.         
YOU A PARTICULAR STORY.         
THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL.         
I WAS APPROACHED BY THE         
THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL.         
I WAS APPROACHED BY THE         
RELIGIOUS EDITOR OF THE "NEW    
I WAS APPROACHED BY THE         
RELIGIOUS EDITOR OF THE "NEW    
YORK TIMES" ON AN ISSUE OF      
RELIGIOUS EDITOR OF THE "NEW    
YORK TIMES" ON AN ISSUE OF      
THE FATWA RAISED BY THE         
YORK TIMES" ON AN ISSUE OF      
THE FATWA RAISED BY THE         
MUSLIM CHAPLAIN OF THE U.S.     
THE FATWA RAISED BY THE         
MUSLIM CHAPLAIN OF THE U.S.     
ARMED FORCES WHO RAISED THE     
MUSLIM CHAPLAIN OF THE U.S.     
ARMED FORCES WHO RAISED THE     
QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT WAS   
ARMED FORCES WHO RAISED THE     
QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT WAS   
OKAY FOR MUSLIMS TO FIGHT IN    
QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT WAS   
OKAY FOR MUSLIMS TO FIGHT IN    
THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN          
OKAY FOR MUSLIMS TO FIGHT IN    
THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN          
AGAINST BIN LADEN AND TO KILL   
THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN          
AGAINST BIN LADEN AND TO KILL   
HIM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE         
AGAINST BIN LADEN AND TO KILL   
HIM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE         
KILLING A FELLOW MUSLIM.        
HIM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE         
KILLING A FELLOW MUSLIM.        
THIS QUESTION WAS GIVEN TO      
KILLING A FELLOW MUSLIM.        
THIS QUESTION WAS GIVEN TO      
FIVE MAJOR MUFTIS IN THE ARAB   
THIS QUESTION WAS GIVEN TO      
FIVE MAJOR MUFTIS IN THE ARAB   
WORLD AND THEY DEFINED THIS     
FIVE MAJOR MUFTIS IN THE ARAB   
WORLD AND THEY DEFINED THIS     
ACT OF 9/11 AS AN ACT OF        
WORLD AND THEY DEFINED THIS     
ACT OF 9/11 AS AN ACT OF        
TERRORISM, HIRABAH, AND SAID    
ACT OF 9/11 AS AN ACT OF        
TERRORISM, HIRABAH, AND SAID    
IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME, AND      
TERRORISM, HIRABAH, AND SAID    
IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME, AND      
THIS WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH     
IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME, AND      
THIS WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH     
ISLAMIC LAW.                    
THIS WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH     
ISLAMIC LAW.                    
I BEGGED THEM TO PUT THIS       
ISLAMIC LAW.                    
I BEGGED THEM TO PUT THIS       
STORY ON THE FRONT PAGE OF      
I BEGGED THEM TO PUT THIS       
STORY ON THE FRONT PAGE OF      
THE NATION CHALLENGE SECTION,   
STORY ON THE FRONT PAGE OF      
THE NATION CHALLENGE SECTION,   
IF NOT THE FRONT PAGE OF THE    
THE NATION CHALLENGE SECTION,   
IF NOT THE FRONT PAGE OF THE    
FIRST SECTION.                  
IF NOT THE FRONT PAGE OF THE    
FIRST SECTION.                  
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS BURIED    
FIRST SECTION.                  
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS BURIED    
ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE NATION     
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS BURIED    
ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE NATION     
CHALLENGE SECTION.              
ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE NATION     
CHALLENGE SECTION.              
THESE KINDS OF STORIES, I       
CHALLENGE SECTION.              
THESE KINDS OF STORIES, I       
THINK -- THAT PARTICULAR -- I   
THESE KINDS OF STORIES, I       
THINK -- THAT PARTICULAR -- I   
SAID THIS PARTICULAR STORY      
THINK -- THAT PARTICULAR -- I   
SAID THIS PARTICULAR STORY      
ABOUT THIS FATWA, AND           
SAID THIS PARTICULAR STORY      
ABOUT THIS FATWA, AND           
JURISPRUDENCE AND THE LOGIC     
ABOUT THIS FATWA, AND           
JURISPRUDENCE AND THE LOGIC     
BEHIND IT WOULD BE VERY         
JURISPRUDENCE AND THE LOGIC     
BEHIND IT WOULD BE VERY         
INTERESTING TO AMERICANS AND    
BEHIND IT WOULD BE VERY         
INTERESTING TO AMERICANS AND    
BE VERY IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE   
INTERESTING TO AMERICANS AND    
BE VERY IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE   
KIND OF UNDERSTANDING, THE      
BE VERY IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE   
KIND OF UNDERSTANDING, THE      
KIND OF OPINIONS WHICH ARE      
KIND OF UNDERSTANDING, THE      
KIND OF OPINIONS WHICH ARE      
AVAILABLE IN THE MUSLIM WORLD   
KIND OF OPINIONS WHICH ARE      
AVAILABLE IN THE MUSLIM WORLD   
ON THE ISSUE OF WOMEN.          
AVAILABLE IN THE MUSLIM WORLD   
ON THE ISSUE OF WOMEN.          
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT AWARE     
ON THE ISSUE OF WOMEN.          
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT AWARE     
OF THIS, BUT THE RETIRED        
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT AWARE     
OF THIS, BUT THE RETIRED        
CHIEF JUSTICE OF MALAYSIA HAS   
OF THIS, BUT THE RETIRED        
CHIEF JUSTICE OF MALAYSIA HAS   
A VERY INTERESTING PAPER ON     
CHIEF JUSTICE OF MALAYSIA HAS   
A VERY INTERESTING PAPER ON     
THE ISSUE OF WOMEN, AND HOW     
A VERY INTERESTING PAPER ON     
THE ISSUE OF WOMEN, AND HOW     
HE INTERPRETED THE ISSUE OF     
THE ISSUE OF WOMEN, AND HOW     
HE INTERPRETED THE ISSUE OF     
-- NOT HAVING BEEN FIXED BY     
HE INTERPRETED THE ISSUE OF     
-- NOT HAVING BEEN FIXED BY     
THE TIME OF PROPHET BUT         
-- NOT HAVING BEEN FIXED BY     
THE TIME OF PROPHET BUT         
HAVING BEEN INVOLVED.           
THE TIME OF PROPHET BUT         
HAVING BEEN INVOLVED.           
THE BANNING OF SLAVERY IS       
HAVING BEEN INVOLVED.           
THE BANNING OF SLAVERY IS       
CONSISTENT WITH THESEITH        
THE BANNING OF SLAVERY IS       
CONSISTENT WITH THESEITH        
O'CLOCKS.                       
CONSISTENT WITH THESEITH        
O'CLOCKS.                       
SO HE ARGUED ON A SIMILAR       
O'CLOCKS.                       
SO HE ARGUED ON A SIMILAR       
BASIS, ACCOMPLISHED FOR WOMEN   
SO HE ARGUED ON A SIMILAR       
BASIS, ACCOMPLISHED FOR WOMEN   
IN THAT TIME, THAT WE TOO AS    
BASIS, ACCOMPLISHED FOR WOMEN   
IN THAT TIME, THAT WE TOO AS    
TIME GOES ON HAVE TO ADVANCE    
IN THAT TIME, THAT WE TOO AS    
TIME GOES ON HAVE TO ADVANCE    
THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVES OF      
TIME GOES ON HAVE TO ADVANCE    
THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVES OF      
ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE TO        
THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVES OF      
ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE TO        
CONTINUOUSLY PERFECT THE        
ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE TO        
CONTINUOUSLY PERFECT THE        
REALITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO     
CONTINUOUSLY PERFECT THE        
REALITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO     
THE IDEALS OF OUR FAITH.        
REALITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO     
THE IDEALS OF OUR FAITH.        
SO THESE DEBATES HAVE BEEN      
THE IDEALS OF OUR FAITH.        
SO THESE DEBATES HAVE BEEN      
GOING ON.                       
SO THESE DEBATES HAVE BEEN      
GOING ON.                       
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU   
GOING ON.                       
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU   
DON'T HEAR ABOUT THEM.          
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU   
DON'T HEAR ABOUT THEM.          
>> THERE'S NO CHARGE.           
DON'T HEAR ABOUT THEM.          
>> THERE'S NO CHARGE.           
THERE'S NO CALL COUNTRY THAT    
>> THERE'S NO CHARGE.           
THERE'S NO CALL COUNTRY THAT    
CAN SAY NOW, THIS IS THE        
THERE'S NO CALL COUNTRY THAT    
CAN SAY NOW, THIS IS THE        
DIRECTION WE'RE GOING IN.       
CAN SAY NOW, THIS IS THE        
DIRECTION WE'RE GOING IN.       
BUT TODAY, I'VE BEEN FOLLOW     
DIRECTION WE'RE GOING IN.       
BUT TODAY, I'VE BEEN FOLLOW     
ING THE ARAB SPRING AND         
BUT TODAY, I'VE BEEN FOLLOW     
ING THE ARAB SPRING AND         
I SEE GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENTS,    
ING THE ARAB SPRING AND         
I SEE GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENTS,    
WOMEN THAT ORGANIZE             
I SEE GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENTS,    
WOMEN THAT ORGANIZE             
THEMSELVES IN THE VARIOUS       
WOMEN THAT ORGANIZE             
THEMSELVES IN THE VARIOUS       
COUNTRIES WHO ARE FIGHTING      
THEMSELVES IN THE VARIOUS       
COUNTRIES WHO ARE FIGHTING      
FOR THEIR RIGHTS, HEM SEXUALS   
COUNTRIES WHO ARE FIGHTING      
FOR THEIR RIGHTS, HEM SEXUALS   
WHO ORGANIZE THEMSELVES,        
FOR THEIR RIGHTS, HEM SEXUALS   
WHO ORGANIZE THEMSELVES,        
EX-MUSLIMS, MAAJID, WHAT IS     
WHO ORGANIZE THEMSELVES,        
EX-MUSLIMS, MAAJID, WHAT IS     
YOUR STATUS.                    
EX-MUSLIMS, MAAJID, WHAT IS     
YOUR STATUS.                    
ALMOST --                       
YOUR STATUS.                    
ALMOST --                       
>> GET EXCOMMUNICATED.          
ALMOST --                       
>> GET EXCOMMUNICATED.          
>> ALMOSTEX MUSLIM.             
>> GET EXCOMMUNICATED.          
>> ALMOSTEX MUSLIM.             
SO THERE ARE --                 
>> ALMOSTEX MUSLIM.             
SO THERE ARE --                 
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
SO THERE ARE --                 
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> IS SHE GOING TO GET ME       
>> [LAUGHTER]                   
>> IS SHE GOING TO GET ME       
KILLED OR WHAT?                 
>> IS SHE GOING TO GET ME       
KILLED OR WHAT?                 
>> I'M HAPPY WITH YOUR          
KILLED OR WHAT?                 
>> I'M HAPPY WITH YOUR          
EVOLUTION.                      
>> I'M HAPPY WITH YOUR          
EVOLUTION.                      
WE DEBATED THREE YEARS AGO.     
EVOLUTION.                      
WE DEBATED THREE YEARS AGO.     
WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT AND       
WE DEBATED THREE YEARS AGO.     
WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT AND       
THREE YEARS AGO ARE QUITE       
WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT AND       
THREE YEARS AGO ARE QUITE       
DIFFERENT AND IT'S AN           
THREE YEARS AGO ARE QUITE       
DIFFERENT AND IT'S AN           
EVOLUTION I'M HAPPY WITH!       
DIFFERENT AND IT'S AN           
EVOLUTION I'M HAPPY WITH!       
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
EVOLUTION I'M HAPPY WITH!       
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> THERE ARE THESE SEEMINGLY    
>>  [LAUGHTER]                  
>> THERE ARE THESE SEEMINGLY    
SMALL GROUPS, BUT THEY ARE A    
>> THERE ARE THESE SEEMINGLY    
SMALL GROUPS, BUT THEY ARE A    
GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND   
SMALL GROUPS, BUT THEY ARE A    
GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND   
I THINK IN A WAY, IT IS GOOD    
GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND   
I THINK IN A WAY, IT IS GOOD    
THAT WE NO LONGER NEED -- AND   
I THINK IN A WAY, IT IS GOOD    
THAT WE NO LONGER NEED -- AND   
I REALLY MEAN RESPECTFULLY --   
THAT WE NO LONGER NEED -- AND   
I REALLY MEAN RESPECTFULLY --   
THE HOUSE OF ISLAM IS NO        
I REALLY MEAN RESPECTFULLY --   
THE HOUSE OF ISLAM IS NO        
LONGER GOING TO RELY ON THE     
THE HOUSE OF ISLAM IS NO        
LONGER GOING TO RELY ON THE     
CLERGYMEN AND MUSLIM SCHOLARS   
LONGER GOING TO RELY ON THE     
CLERGYMEN AND MUSLIM SCHOLARS   
TO ADVANCE THE QUALITY OF       
CLERGYMEN AND MUSLIM SCHOLARS   
TO ADVANCE THE QUALITY OF       
THEIR LIVES AND TO LIVE         
TO ADVANCE THE QUALITY OF       
THEIR LIVES AND TO LIVE         
ACCORDING TO THEIR              
THEIR LIVES AND TO LIVE         
ACCORDING TO THEIR              
CONSCIENCES.                    
ACCORDING TO THEIR              
CONSCIENCES.                    
PEOPLE ARE TAKING THAT          
CONSCIENCES.                    
PEOPLE ARE TAKING THAT          
OPPORTUNITY THEMSELVES.         
PEOPLE ARE TAKING THAT          
OPPORTUNITY THEMSELVES.         
AND IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF       
OPPORTUNITY THEMSELVES.         
AND IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF       
TIME BEFORE EITHER THERE IS A   
AND IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF       
TIME BEFORE EITHER THERE IS A   
REFORMATION OR THE MAJORITY     
TIME BEFORE EITHER THERE IS A   
REFORMATION OR THE MAJORITY     
OF MUSLIMS WILL BE              
REFORMATION OR THE MAJORITY     
OF MUSLIMS WILL BE              
EX-MUSLIMS.                     
OF MUSLIMS WILL BE              
EX-MUSLIMS.                     
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
EX-MUSLIMS.                     
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> I HAVE A QUESTION.           
>> [APPLAUSE]                   
>> I HAVE A QUESTION.           
IT'S NOT SIGNED, BUT IT'S A     
>> I HAVE A QUESTION.           
IT'S NOT SIGNED, BUT IT'S A     
PRETTY GOOD QUESTION.           
IT'S NOT SIGNED, BUT IT'S A     
PRETTY GOOD QUESTION.           
THE WORD JIHAD HAS NOT COME     
PRETTY GOOD QUESTION.           
THE WORD JIHAD HAS NOT COME     
UP ONCE TONIGHT.                
THE WORD JIHAD HAS NOT COME     
UP ONCE TONIGHT.                
IS THIS TERM NOT A HUGE PART    
UP ONCE TONIGHT.                
IS THIS TERM NOT A HUGE PART    
OF THE PERCEPTION OF ISLAM AS   
IS THIS TERM NOT A HUGE PART    
OF THE PERCEPTION OF ISLAM AS   
A VIOLENT RELIGION?             
OF THE PERCEPTION OF ISLAM AS   
A VIOLENT RELIGION?             
>> CERTAINLY.                   
A VIOLENT RELIGION?             
>> CERTAINLY.                   
THE WORD JIHAD MEANS TO         
>> CERTAINLY.                   
THE WORD JIHAD MEANS TO         
STRIVE IN THE WAY OF GOD, AND   
THE WORD JIHAD MEANS TO         
STRIVE IN THE WAY OF GOD, AND   
STRIVING IN THE WAY OF GOD IS   
STRIVE IN THE WAY OF GOD, AND   
STRIVING IN THE WAY OF GOD IS   
SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US ARE    
STRIVING IN THE WAY OF GOD IS   
SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US ARE    
MEANT TO DO.                    
SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US ARE    
MEANT TO DO.                    
THE WORD JIHAD IN OUR           
MEANT TO DO.                    
THE WORD JIHAD IN OUR           
JURISPRUDENCE, THEOLOGIES,      
THE WORD JIHAD IN OUR           
JURISPRUDENCE, THEOLOGIES,      
REFERS NOT ONLY TO AN ACT OF    
JURISPRUDENCE, THEOLOGIES,      
REFERS NOT ONLY TO AN ACT OF    
A JUST WAR, BUT THE PROPHET     
REFERS NOT ONLY TO AN ACT OF    
A JUST WAR, BUT THE PROPHET     
SAID IN ONE OF HIS MAJOR        
A JUST WAR, BUT THE PROPHET     
SAID IN ONE OF HIS MAJOR        
SAYINGS AFTER HE CAME BACK      
SAID IN ONE OF HIS MAJOR        
SAYINGS AFTER HE CAME BACK      
FROM BATTLE, HE SAID WE ARE     
SAYINGS AFTER HE CAME BACK      
FROM BATTLE, HE SAID WE ARE     
RETURNING FROM THE MINOR        
FROM BATTLE, HE SAID WE ARE     
RETURNING FROM THE MINOR        
JIHAD TO THE GREATER JIHAD,     
RETURNING FROM THE MINOR        
JIHAD TO THE GREATER JIHAD,     
AND WHEN HIS COMPANIONS WERE    
JIHAD TO THE GREATER JIHAD,     
AND WHEN HIS COMPANIONS WERE    
BOTHERED BY IT, HE SAID THE     
AND WHEN HIS COMPANIONS WERE    
BOTHERED BY IT, HE SAID THE     
JIHAD AGAINST ITSELF, SO THE    
BOTHERED BY IT, HE SAID THE     
JIHAD AGAINST ITSELF, SO THE    
CONCEPT OF JIHAD REALLY IS      
JIHAD AGAINST ITSELF, SO THE    
CONCEPT OF JIHAD REALLY IS      
THE CONSTANT STRIVING THAT WE   
CONCEPT OF JIHAD REALLY IS      
THE CONSTANT STRIVING THAT WE   
HAVE TO IMPROVE BOTH            
THE CONSTANT STRIVING THAT WE   
HAVE TO IMPROVE BOTH            
OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITIES   
HAVE TO IMPROVE BOTH            
OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITIES   
AND THE WORLD, OR A PWR-B       
OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITIES   
AND THE WORLD, OR A PWR-B       
PLACE.                          
AND THE WORLD, OR A PWR-B       
PLACE.                          
-- TO BE BETTER PLACE.          
PLACE.                          
-- TO BE BETTER PLACE.          
OF COURSE, THE MILITARY         
-- TO BE BETTER PLACE.          
OF COURSE, THE MILITARY         
ASPECT IS ONE INTERPRETATION,   
OF COURSE, THE MILITARY         
ASPECT IS ONE INTERPRETATION,   
AND THAT'S THE ONE WHICH HAS    
ASPECT IS ONE INTERPRETATION,   
AND THAT'S THE ONE WHICH HAS    
BECOME MORE EMPHASIZED IN THE   
AND THAT'S THE ONE WHICH HAS    
BECOME MORE EMPHASIZED IN THE   
PERCEPTION OF MANY NONMUSLIMS   
BECOME MORE EMPHASIZED IN THE   
PERCEPTION OF MANY NONMUSLIMS   
AND IN THE PERCEPTION OF THE    
PERCEPTION OF MANY NONMUSLIMS   
AND IN THE PERCEPTION OF THE    
MILITANTS, THE KIND OF PEOPLE   
AND IN THE PERCEPTION OF THE    
MILITANTS, THE KIND OF PEOPLE   
WHO RECRUIT THE KIND OF         
MILITANTS, THE KIND OF PEOPLE   
WHO RECRUIT THE KIND OF         
PEOPLE THAT MAAJID WAS.         
WHO RECRUIT THE KIND OF         
PEOPLE THAT MAAJID WAS.         
>> SO JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT,    
PEOPLE THAT MAAJID WAS.         
>> SO JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT,    
WHAT AAYAN SAID ABOUT MY        
>> SO JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT,    
WHAT AAYAN SAID ABOUT MY        
STATE OF FAITH -- LOOK, I       
WHAT AAYAN SAID ABOUT MY        
STATE OF FAITH -- LOOK, I       
WANT TO TELL A STORY HERE,      
STATE OF FAITH -- LOOK, I       
WANT TO TELL A STORY HERE,      
OKAY?                           
WANT TO TELL A STORY HERE,      
OKAY?                           
I JOINED THE RADICAL ISLAMIST   
OKAY?                           
I JOINED THE RADICAL ISLAMIST   
GROUP, HIZB UT-TAHRIR, AT 16    
I JOINED THE RADICAL ISLAMIST   
GROUP, HIZB UT-TAHRIR, AT 16    
YEARS OLD.                      
GROUP, HIZB UT-TAHRIR, AT 16    
YEARS OLD.                      
I USED TO TRY AND RECRUIT       
YEARS OLD.                      
I USED TO TRY AND RECRUIT       
PEOPLE.                         
I USED TO TRY AND RECRUIT       
PEOPLE.                         
AS I MENTIONED, I DIDN'T        
PEOPLE.                         
AS I MENTIONED, I DIDN'T        
SKWRAOEUPB FELLOW MOSQUE.       
AS I MENTIONED, I DIDN'T        
SKWRAOEUPB FELLOW MOSQUE.       
WE TRIED TO RECRUIT PEOPLE      
SKWRAOEUPB FELLOW MOSQUE.       
WE TRIED TO RECRUIT PEOPLE      
FROM MOSQUES.                   
WE TRIED TO RECRUIT PEOPLE      
FROM MOSQUES.                   
AROUND THE AGE OF 18 YEARS      
FROM MOSQUES.                   
AROUND THE AGE OF 18 YEARS      
OLD, I WAS PUNCHED AROUND THE   
AROUND THE AGE OF 18 YEARS      
OLD, I WAS PUNCHED AROUND THE   
FACE OUTSIDE OF A MOSQUE BY A   
OLD, I WAS PUNCHED AROUND THE   
FACE OUTSIDE OF A MOSQUE BY A   
MOSQUE WORSHIPER WHO CAME OUT   
FACE OUTSIDE OF A MOSQUE BY A   
MOSQUE WORSHIPER WHO CAME OUT   
AND SAID YOU ARE RUINING OUR    
MOSQUE WORSHIPER WHO CAME OUT   
AND SAID YOU ARE RUINING OUR    
IMAGE AND RELIGION.             
AND SAID YOU ARE RUINING OUR    
IMAGE AND RELIGION.             
YOU ARE PERVERTING OUR FAITH.   
IMAGE AND RELIGION.             
YOU ARE PERVERTING OUR FAITH.   
GET AWAY FROM HERE.             
YOU ARE PERVERTING OUR FAITH.   
GET AWAY FROM HERE.             
I REFUSED TO MOVE.              
GET AWAY FROM HERE.             
I REFUSED TO MOVE.              
MY FLYER THAT I WAS HANDING     
I REFUSED TO MOVE.              
MY FLYER THAT I WAS HANDING     
OUT SIMPLY SAID MOHAMMED WAS    
MY FLYER THAT I WAS HANDING     
OUT SIMPLY SAID MOHAMMED WAS    
A POLITICIAN.                   
OUT SIMPLY SAID MOHAMMED WAS    
A POLITICIAN.                   
THAT'S ALL IT SAID.             
A POLITICIAN.                   
THAT'S ALL IT SAID.             
AND THAT PROVOKED HIM,          
THAT'S ALL IT SAID.             
AND THAT PROVOKED HIM,          
BECAUSE HE SAID HOW DARE YOU    
AND THAT PROVOKED HIM,          
BECAUSE HE SAID HOW DARE YOU    
BRING POLITICS INTO OUR         
BECAUSE HE SAID HOW DARE YOU    
BRING POLITICS INTO OUR         
MOSQUE, GET AWAY FROM HERE.     
BRING POLITICS INTO OUR         
MOSQUE, GET AWAY FROM HERE.     
AND HE PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE   
MOSQUE, GET AWAY FROM HERE.     
AND HE PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE   
AND BASICALLY THERE WAS A BIT   
AND HE PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE   
AND BASICALLY THERE WAS A BIT   
OF A STRUGGLE AND I LEFT IN     
AND BASICALLY THERE WAS A BIT   
OF A STRUGGLE AND I LEFT IN     
THE END.                        
OF A STRUGGLE AND I LEFT IN     
THE END.                        
I WAS TOO SMALL TO SORT OF --   
THE END.                        
I WAS TOO SMALL TO SORT OF --   
HE WAS QUITE A BIG MAN.         
I WAS TOO SMALL TO SORT OF --   
HE WAS QUITE A BIG MAN.         
>> I BET YOU LIKE THAT GUY      
HE WAS QUITE A BIG MAN.         
>> I BET YOU LIKE THAT GUY      
NOW.                            
>> I BET YOU LIKE THAT GUY      
NOW.                            
>> WELL, THIS IS WHAT           
NOW.                            
>> WELL, THIS IS WHAT           
HAPPENED NEXT.                  
>> WELL, THIS IS WHAT           
HAPPENED NEXT.                  
FAST FORWARD 10 YEARS, WELL,    
HAPPENED NEXT.                  
FAST FORWARD 10 YEARS, WELL,    
15 YEARS, AND I LEFT H*EUB      
FAST FORWARD 10 YEARS, WELL,    
15 YEARS, AND I LEFT H*EUB      
H*EUB, AND I BEGAN TRYING TO    
15 YEARS, AND I LEFT H*EUB      
H*EUB, AND I BEGAN TRYING TO    
-- I WAS IN PAKISTAN, AND I'M   
H*EUB, AND I BEGAN TRYING TO    
-- I WAS IN PAKISTAN, AND I'M   
BASICALLY TRYING TO TELL        
-- I WAS IN PAKISTAN, AND I'M   
BASICALLY TRYING TO TELL        
YOUNG MUSLIMS THERE THAT WE     
BASICALLY TRYING TO TELL        
YOUNG MUSLIMS THERE THAT WE     
MUST NOT CRIT KAOEUZ OUR        
YOUNG MUSLIMS THERE THAT WE     
MUST NOT CRIT KAOEUZ OUR        
RELIGION -- CRITICIZE OUR       
MUST NOT CRIT KAOEUZ OUR        
RELIGION -- CRITICIZE OUR       
RELIGION AND I GOT PUNCHED IN   
RELIGION -- CRITICIZE OUR       
RELIGION AND I GOT PUNCHED IN   
THE FACE AGAIN!                 
RELIGION AND I GOT PUNCHED IN   
THE FACE AGAIN!                 
THIS TIME, BAY MEMBER OF MY     
THE FACE AGAIN!                 
THIS TIME, BAY MEMBER OF MY     
FORMER GROUP.                   
THIS TIME, BAY MEMBER OF MY     
FORMER GROUP.                   
HE JUMPED ACROSS AND -- HE      
FORMER GROUP.                   
HE JUMPED ACROSS AND -- HE      
WAS AN AMATEUR BOXER SO AGAIN   
HE JUMPED ACROSS AND -- HE      
WAS AN AMATEUR BOXER SO AGAIN   
I HAD NO CHANCE, HE KNOCKED     
WAS AN AMATEUR BOXER SO AGAIN   
I HAD NO CHANCE, HE KNOCKED     
ME TO THE FLOOR.                
I HAD NO CHANCE, HE KNOCKED     
ME TO THE FLOOR.                
THE MORALE IS THE FOLLOWING:    
ME TO THE FLOOR.                
THE MORALE IS THE FOLLOWING:    
LOOK, DEBATES MOVE ON AND       
THE MORALE IS THE FOLLOWING:    
LOOK, DEBATES MOVE ON AND       
IDEAS CHANGE.                   
LOOK, DEBATES MOVE ON AND       
IDEAS CHANGE.                   
WHEN I FIRST STARTED            
IDEAS CHANGE.                   
WHEN I FIRST STARTED            
PREACHING ISLAMISM, IT WAS      
WHEN I FIRST STARTED            
PREACHING ISLAMISM, IT WAS      
ALIEN TO MUZ FILM EARS TO THE   
PREACHING ISLAMISM, IT WAS      
ALIEN TO MUZ FILM EARS TO THE   
POINT WHERE IT PROVOKED         
ALIEN TO MUZ FILM EARS TO THE   
POINT WHERE IT PROVOKED         
VIOLENCE.                       
POINT WHERE IT PROVOKED         
VIOLENCE.                       
BY THE TIME I TRIED TO          
VIOLENCE.                       
BY THE TIME I TRIED TO          
REVERSE THE ISLAMISM THAT I     
BY THE TIME I TRIED TO          
REVERSE THE ISLAMISM THAT I     
PLAYED A PART IN PROPAGATING,   
REVERSE THE ISLAMISM THAT I     
PLAYED A PART IN PROPAGATING,   
IT WAS A DEFAULT, AND SAYING    
PLAYED A PART IN PROPAGATING,   
IT WAS A DEFAULT, AND SAYING    
WE MUST DIVORCE ISLAM FROM      
IT WAS A DEFAULT, AND SAYING    
WE MUST DIVORCE ISLAM FROM      
POLITICS BECAME ALIEN TO        
WE MUST DIVORCE ISLAM FROM      
POLITICS BECAME ALIEN TO        
MUSLIM EARS, AND THIS IS MY     
POLITICS BECAME ALIEN TO        
MUSLIM EARS, AND THIS IS MY     
POINT.                          
MUSLIM EARS, AND THIS IS MY     
POINT.                          
WHEN I DEBATED YOU TWO YEARS    
POINT.                          
WHEN I DEBATED YOU TWO YEARS    
AGO, BASICALLY THE DEBATE HAS   
WHEN I DEBATED YOU TWO YEARS    
AGO, BASICALLY THE DEBATE HAS   
MOVED.                          
AGO, BASICALLY THE DEBATE HAS   
MOVED.                          
IT'S SHIFTED EVEN SINCE THEN.   
MOVED.                          
IT'S SHIFTED EVEN SINCE THEN.   
I AM ABLE TO SAY A LOT MORE     
IT'S SHIFTED EVEN SINCE THEN.   
I AM ABLE TO SAY A LOT MORE     
THINGS OPENLY NOW THAN I WAS    
I AM ABLE TO SAY A LOT MORE     
THINGS OPENLY NOW THAN I WAS    
EVEN THEN.                      
THINGS OPENLY NOW THAN I WAS    
EVEN THEN.                      
>> EVEN IN TWO YEARS.           
EVEN THEN.                      
>> EVEN IN TWO YEARS.           
>> EVEN WITHIN TWO YEARS.       
>> EVEN IN TWO YEARS.           
>> EVEN WITHIN TWO YEARS.       
THE DEBATE HAS SHIFTED TO A     
>> EVEN WITHIN TWO YEARS.       
THE DEBATE HAS SHIFTED TO A     
POINT WHERE I CAN SIT HERE      
THE DEBATE HAS SHIFTED TO A     
POINT WHERE I CAN SIT HERE      
AND SAY OPENLY, FEELING         
POINT WHERE I CAN SIT HERE      
AND SAY OPENLY, FEELING         
RELATIVELY MORE SECURE FOR MY   
AND SAY OPENLY, FEELING         
RELATIVELY MORE SECURE FOR MY   
POSITION IN BRITAIN, THAT WE    
RELATIVELY MORE SECURE FOR MY   
POSITION IN BRITAIN, THAT WE    
HAVE TO AS MUSLIMS COME TO      
POSITION IN BRITAIN, THAT WE    
HAVE TO AS MUSLIMS COME TO      
TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT WHEN   
HAVE TO AS MUSLIMS COME TO      
TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT WHEN   
PEOPLE'S CONSCIENCE TELLS       
TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT WHEN   
PEOPLE'S CONSCIENCE TELLS       
THEM TO LEAVE THE FAITH, THEY   
PEOPLE'S CONSCIENCE TELLS       
THEM TO LEAVE THE FAITH, THEY   
ARE OBHRAOEUPBLG DOLLARS TO     
THEM TO LEAVE THE FAITH, THEY   
ARE OBHRAOEUPBLG DOLLARS TO     
-- OBAOEUPBLG DOLLARS --        
ARE OBHRAOEUPBLG DOLLARS TO     
-- OBAOEUPBLG DOLLARS --        
OBLIGED TO FOLLOW THEIR         
-- OBAOEUPBLG DOLLARS --        
OBLIGED TO FOLLOW THEIR         
CONSCIENCE.                     
OBLIGED TO FOLLOW THEIR         
CONSCIENCE.                     
I CAN SAY THAT CONFIDENTLY      
CONSCIENCE.                     
I CAN SAY THAT CONFIDENTLY      
BECAUSE I KNOW AMONG THE        
I CAN SAY THAT CONFIDENTLY      
BECAUSE I KNOW AMONG THE        
THEOLOGICAL DISCOURSE THAT      
BECAUSE I KNOW AMONG THE        
THEOLOGICAL DISCOURSE THAT      
DEBATE GLOBALLY HAS SHIFTED,    
THEOLOGICAL DISCOURSE THAT      
DEBATE GLOBALLY HAS SHIFTED,    
SO I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT         
DEBATE GLOBALLY HAS SHIFTED,    
SO I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT         
THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD AS    
SO I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT         
THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD AS    
WELL.                           
THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD AS    
WELL.                           
>> ONE COMMENT.                 
WELL.                           
>> ONE COMMENT.                 
IN 2003, WE MET AN AYATOLLAH,   
>> ONE COMMENT.                 
IN 2003, WE MET AN AYATOLLAH,   
WHOSE NAME I SHALL NOT          
IN 2003, WE MET AN AYATOLLAH,   
WHOSE NAME I SHALL NOT          
MENTION, WHO WAS UNDER HOUSE    
WHOSE NAME I SHALL NOT          
MENTION, WHO WAS UNDER HOUSE    
ARREST AT THE TIME, AND HE      
MENTION, WHO WAS UNDER HOUSE    
ARREST AT THE TIME, AND HE      
TOLD US, WHOEVER FOLLOWS HIS    
ARREST AT THE TIME, AND HE      
TOLD US, WHOEVER FOLLOWS HIS    
OR HER CONSCIENCE, TRULY        
TOLD US, WHOEVER FOLLOWS HIS    
OR HER CONSCIENCE, TRULY        
FOLLOWS THEIR CONSCIENCE, IS    
OR HER CONSCIENCE, TRULY        
FOLLOWS THEIR CONSCIENCE, IS    
A MUSLIM, EVEN IF THEY ARE      
FOLLOWS THEIR CONSCIENCE, IS    
A MUSLIM, EVEN IF THEY ARE      
PROSY SIZED.                    
A MUSLIM, EVEN IF THEY ARE      
PROSY SIZED.                    
-- PROSELYTIZED.                
PROSY SIZED.                    
-- PROSELYTIZED.                
>> SO YOU'RE IN!                
-- PROSELYTIZED.                
>> SO YOU'RE IN!                
>>  THE NEXT QUESTION, I AM     
>> SO YOU'RE IN!                
>>  THE NEXT QUESTION, I AM     
VIRTUALLY CERTAIN YOU HAVE      
>>  THE NEXT QUESTION, I AM     
VIRTUALLY CERTAIN YOU HAVE      
NOT PREPARED AN ANSWER FOR      
VIRTUALLY CERTAIN YOU HAVE      
NOT PREPARED AN ANSWER FOR      
THIS, ANY ONE OF THE THREE OF   
NOT PREPARED AN ANSWER FOR      
THIS, ANY ONE OF THE THREE OF   
YOU.                            
THIS, ANY ONE OF THE THREE OF   
YOU.                            
WE CHANGE THE WORLD BY WHAT     
YOU.                            
WE CHANGE THE WORLD BY WHAT     
WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN.          
WE CHANGE THE WORLD BY WHAT     
WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN.          
WHAT WOULD MOHAMMED SAY IF HE   
WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN.          
WHAT WOULD MOHAMMED SAY IF HE   
WERE A MODERN DAY PROPHET TO    
WHAT WOULD MOHAMMED SAY IF HE   
WERE A MODERN DAY PROPHET TO    
ALL OUR CHILDREN ON FACEBOOK    
WERE A MODERN DAY PROPHET TO    
ALL OUR CHILDREN ON FACEBOOK    
AND TWITTER?                    
ALL OUR CHILDREN ON FACEBOOK    
AND TWITTER?                    
AND PLEASE REMEMBER, THAT BY    
AND TWITTER?                    
AND PLEASE REMEMBER, THAT BY    
OUR CHILDREN, WE MEAN           
AND PLEASE REMEMBER, THAT BY    
OUR CHILDREN, WE MEAN           
CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, BUDDHIST,    
OUR CHILDREN, WE MEAN           
CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, BUDDHIST,    
AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND SO ON.    
CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, BUDDHIST,    
AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND SO ON.    
>> WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR A    
AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND SO ON.    
>> WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR A    
DEAD MAN.                       
>> WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR A    
DEAD MAN.                       
IT'S A HYPOTHETICAL.            
DEAD MAN.                       
IT'S A HYPOTHETICAL.            
I WOULD SAY THAT FOR PEOPLE     
IT'S A HYPOTHETICAL.            
I WOULD SAY THAT FOR PEOPLE     
WHO, YOU KNOW -- MOHAMMED       
I WOULD SAY THAT FOR PEOPLE     
WHO, YOU KNOW -- MOHAMMED       
CAME, AND HE INNOVATED          
WHO, YOU KNOW -- MOHAMMED       
CAME, AND HE INNOVATED          
RELIGION PH MECCA -- IN         
CAME, AND HE INNOVATED          
RELIGION PH MECCA -- IN         
MECCA, IN HIS OWN TILE AND      
RELIGION PH MECCA -- IN         
MECCA, IN HIS OWN TILE AND      
PERHAPS HE WOULD INNOVATE.      
MECCA, IN HIS OWN TILE AND      
PERHAPS HE WOULD INNOVATE.      
HE WOULD PROBABLY THROW ONE     
PERHAPS HE WOULD INNOVATE.      
HE WOULD PROBABLY THROW ONE     
SIDE OF THE CURAN INTO THE      
HE WOULD PROBABLY THROW ONE     
SIDE OF THE CURAN INTO THE      
RUBBISH BIN AND SAY LET'S       
SIDE OF THE CURAN INTO THE      
RUBBISH BIN AND SAY LET'S       
START ALL OVER AGAIN.           
RUBBISH BIN AND SAY LET'S       
START ALL OVER AGAIN.           
AND MAYBE HE WAS THE ONLY ONE   
START ALL OVER AGAIN.           
AND MAYBE HE WAS THE ONLY ONE   
THAT WHO COULD DO IT.           
AND MAYBE HE WAS THE ONLY ONE   
THAT WHO COULD DO IT.           
>> IF HE HAD DONE THAT, HE      
THAT WHO COULD DO IT.           
>> IF HE HAD DONE THAT, HE      
WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF     
>> IF HE HAD DONE THAT, HE      
WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF     
GOD TO DO SO, SO IT WOULD       
WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF     
GOD TO DO SO, SO IT WOULD       
STILL BE A REVELATION.          
GOD TO DO SO, SO IT WOULD       
STILL BE A REVELATION.          
>> WHY DO YOU NEED PROPHET      
STILL BE A REVELATION.          
>> WHY DO YOU NEED PROPHET      
TOSS MAKE CHANGES?              
>> WHY DO YOU NEED PROPHET      
TOSS MAKE CHANGES?              
>> I DIDN'T SAY -- I WAS        
TOSS MAKE CHANGES?              
>> I DIDN'T SAY -- I WAS        
SAYING --                       
>> I DIDN'T SAY -- I WAS        
SAYING --                       
>> ARE WE ON FACEBOOK?          
SAYING --                       
>> ARE WE ON FACEBOOK?          
>> TAS -- FACEBOOK AND          
>> ARE WE ON FACEBOOK?          
>> TAS -- FACEBOOK AND          
TWITTER.                        
>> TAS -- FACEBOOK AND          
TWITTER.                        
>> THE PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS     
TWITTER.                        
>> THE PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS     
RELATIVELY PROGRESSIVE FOR      
>> THE PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS     
RELATIVELY PROGRESSIVE FOR      
THE DESERT AGE THEY CAME        
RELATIVELY PROGRESSIVE FOR      
THE DESERT AGE THEY CAME        
FROM, RIGHT?                    
THE DESERT AGE THEY CAME        
FROM, RIGHT?                    
SO I THINK IN THAT SPIRIT, IF   
FROM, RIGHT?                    
SO I THINK IN THAT SPIRIT, IF   
HE WAS AROUND TODAY, HE WOULD   
SO I THINK IN THAT SPIRIT, IF   
HE WAS AROUND TODAY, HE WOULD   
PROBABLY TELL THE MUSLIMS       
HE WAS AROUND TODAY, HE WOULD   
PROBABLY TELL THE MUSLIMS       
THAT HE SEES TO GET OUT THE     
PROBABLY TELL THE MUSLIMS       
THAT HE SEES TO GET OUT THE     
STONE AGE, OUT OF THE           
THAT HE SEES TO GET OUT THE     
STONE AGE, OUT OF THE           
MEDIEVAL ERA, AND GET WITH      
STONE AGE, OUT OF THE           
MEDIEVAL ERA, AND GET WITH      
THE TIMES.                      
MEDIEVAL ERA, AND GET WITH      
THE TIMES.                      
>> DAVID AND JANE CURNEY ASK,   
THE TIMES.                      
>> DAVID AND JANE CURNEY ASK,   
WHAT CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?    
>> DAVID AND JANE CURNEY ASK,   
WHAT CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?    
>> I HAVE A REQUEST.            
WHAT CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?    
>> I HAVE A REQUEST.            
AMERICANS, SINCE                
>> I HAVE A REQUEST.            
AMERICANS, SINCE                
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, HAS BEEN    
AMERICANS, SINCE                
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, HAS BEEN    
HELPING AND FOCUSING, AND       
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, HAS BEEN    
HELPING AND FOCUSING, AND       
PICKING LEADERS, THOSE WHO      
HELPING AND FOCUSING, AND       
PICKING LEADERS, THOSE WHO      
SAY ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF      
PICKING LEADERS, THOSE WHO      
SAY ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF      
PEACE AND WHO TRY TO            
SAY ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF      
PEACE AND WHO TRY TO            
INTERPRET THIS AND TRIES TO     
PEACE AND WHO TRY TO            
INTERPRET THIS AND TRIES TO     
TELL US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.   
INTERPRET THIS AND TRIES TO     
TELL US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.   
I WANT TO SAY, PLEASE,          
TELL US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.   
I WANT TO SAY, PLEASE,          
AMERICANS, WHETHER IT IS        
I WANT TO SAY, PLEASE,          
AMERICANS, WHETHER IT IS        
POLITICIANS OR CIVIL SOCIETY,   
AMERICANS, WHETHER IT IS        
POLITICIANS OR CIVIL SOCIETY,   
THERE ARE NOW INDIVIDUALS,      
POLITICIANS OR CIVIL SOCIETY,   
THERE ARE NOW INDIVIDUALS,      
ESPECIALLY IN THOSE ARAB        
THERE ARE NOW INDIVIDUALS,      
ESPECIALLY IN THOSE ARAB        
SPRING COUNTRIES, WOMEN         
ESPECIALLY IN THOSE ARAB        
SPRING COUNTRIES, WOMEN         
FIGHTING FOR OUR WOMEN'S        
SPRING COUNTRIES, WOMEN         
FIGHTING FOR OUR WOMEN'S        
RIGHTS, HOMOSEXUAL MUSLIMS      
FIGHTING FOR OUR WOMEN'S        
RIGHTS, HOMOSEXUAL MUSLIMS      
FIGHTING FOR THEIR CIVIL        
RIGHTS, HOMOSEXUAL MUSLIMS      
FIGHTING FOR THEIR CIVIL        
RIGHTS, RELIGIOUS MINORITIES,   
FIGHTING FOR THEIR CIVIL        
RIGHTS, RELIGIOUS MINORITIES,   
THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS AND   
RIGHTS, RELIGIOUS MINORITIES,   
THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS AND   
THE GROUPS THAT YOU NEED TO     
THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS AND   
THE GROUPS THAT YOU NEED TO     
HELP.                           
THE GROUPS THAT YOU NEED TO     
HELP.                           
THEY ARE FLOUNDERING, THEY      
HELP.                           
THEY ARE FLOUNDERING, THEY      
ARE UNDERRESOURCED, AND THEY    
THEY ARE FLOUNDERING, THEY      
ARE UNDERRESOURCED, AND THEY    
ARE OUR ALEYES WHEN IT COMES    
ARE UNDERRESOURCED, AND THEY    
ARE OUR ALEYES WHEN IT COMES    
TO OUR -- ALLIES WHEN IT        
ARE OUR ALEYES WHEN IT COMES    
TO OUR -- ALLIES WHEN IT        
COMES TO OUR VALUE SYSTEMS OF   
TO OUR -- ALLIES WHEN IT        
COMES TO OUR VALUE SYSTEMS OF   
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND          
COMES TO OUR VALUE SYSTEMS OF   
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND          
CONSCIENCE.                     
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND          
CONSCIENCE.                     
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED      
CONSCIENCE.                     
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED      
OUR HELP.                       
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED      
OUR HELP.                       
WE NEED TO SHIFT AND START      
OUR HELP.                       
WE NEED TO SHIFT AND START      
HELPING THEM.                   
WE NEED TO SHIFT AND START      
HELPING THEM.                   
>>                              
HELPING THEM.                   
>>                              
>> IMAM, SAME QUESTION, WHAT    
>>                              
>> IMAM, SAME QUESTION, WHAT    
CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?         
>> IMAM, SAME QUESTION, WHAT    
CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?         
>> AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,      
CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?         
>> AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,      
THE REAL BATTLEFRONT IS NOT     
>> AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,      
THE REAL BATTLEFRONT IS NOT     
BETWEEN AMERICANS AND MUSLIMS   
THE REAL BATTLEFRONT IS NOT     
BETWEEN AMERICANS AND MUSLIMS   
AND OTHER FAITH TRADITIONS      
BETWEEN AMERICANS AND MUSLIMS   
AND OTHER FAITH TRADITIONS      
BUT REALLY IS TO GET WHAT I     
AND OTHER FAITH TRADITIONS      
BUT REALLY IS TO GET WHAT I     
CALL A COALITION OF             
BUT REALLY IS TO GET WHAT I     
CALL A COALITION OF             
MODERATES, TEAMS TO FOCUS ON    
CALL A COALITION OF             
MODERATES, TEAMS TO FOCUS ON    
THE SPECIFIC ISSUES WHICH       
MODERATES, TEAMS TO FOCUS ON    
THE SPECIFIC ISSUES WHICH       
HAVE CREATED THIS SENSE OF      
THE SPECIFIC ISSUES WHICH       
HAVE CREATED THIS SENSE OF      
DIVISION AND TO STKREPBGEN      
HAVE CREATED THIS SENSE OF      
DIVISION AND TO STKREPBGEN      
THE MODERATE VOICE, AND         
DIVISION AND TO STKREPBGEN      
THE MODERATE VOICE, AND         
ADDRESS THE CAUSE, THE          
THE MODERATE VOICE, AND         
ADDRESS THE CAUSE, THE          
UNDERLYING CAUSE, OF THE        
ADDRESS THE CAUSE, THE          
UNDERLYING CAUSE, OF THE        
PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE TODAY,     
UNDERLYING CAUSE, OF THE        
PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE TODAY,     
AND TO WORK TOGETHER.           
PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE TODAY,     
AND TO WORK TOGETHER.           
IT REQUIRES A -- TO WORK        
AND TO WORK TOGETHER.           
IT REQUIRES A -- TO WORK        
TOGETHER ON SEVERAL FRONTS,     
IT REQUIRES A -- TO WORK        
TOGETHER ON SEVERAL FRONTS,     
POLITICAL FRONT, ADDRESSING     
TOGETHER ON SEVERAL FRONTS,     
POLITICAL FRONT, ADDRESSING     
POLITICAL ISSUES, ADDRESS THE   
POLITICAL FRONT, ADDRESSING     
POLITICAL ISSUES, ADDRESS THE   
ISSUES OF GOVERNANCE, ADDRESS   
POLITICAL ISSUES, ADDRESS THE   
ISSUES OF GOVERNANCE, ADDRESS   
THE ISSUES OF HUMAN RIGHTS,     
ISSUES OF GOVERNANCE, ADDRESS   
THE ISSUES OF HUMAN RIGHTS,     
AND VARIOUS CIVIL RIGHTS,       
THE ISSUES OF HUMAN RIGHTS,     
AND VARIOUS CIVIL RIGHTS,       
INCLUDING THOSE THAT AAYAN      
AND VARIOUS CIVIL RIGHTS,       
INCLUDING THOSE THAT AAYAN      
HAD MENTIONED.                  
INCLUDING THOSE THAT AAYAN      
HAD MENTIONED.                  
CREATING A RULE OF LAW, A       
HAD MENTIONED.                  
CREATING A RULE OF LAW, A       
PROPER RULE OF LAW.             
CREATING A RULE OF LAW, A       
PROPER RULE OF LAW.             
AND THE ISLAMIC RULE OF LAW     
PROPER RULE OF LAW.             
AND THE ISLAMIC RULE OF LAW     
FROM A TRADITION THAT IS AN     
AND THE ISLAMIC RULE OF LAW     
FROM A TRADITION THAT IS AN     
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.          
FROM A TRADITION THAT IS AN     
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.          
BECAUSE OUR TRADITION IN ITS    
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.          
BECAUSE OUR TRADITION IN ITS    
FUNDAMENTAL TIME WAS            
BECAUSE OUR TRADITION IN ITS    
FUNDAMENTAL TIME WAS            
PROGRESSIVE AND WAS AN          
FUNDAMENTAL TIME WAS            
PROGRESSIVE AND WAS AN          
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.          
PROGRESSIVE AND WAS AN          
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.          
TO BRING THAT TRADITION BACK.   
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.          
TO BRING THAT TRADITION BACK.   
AND THAT I THINK IS AMONG THE   
TO BRING THAT TRADITION BACK.   
AND THAT I THINK IS AMONG THE   
THINGS THAT ARE MOST            
AND THAT I THINK IS AMONG THE   
THINGS THAT ARE MOST            
IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS.           
THINGS THAT ARE MOST            
IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS.           
POLITICAL, THEOLOGICAL,         
IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS.           
POLITICAL, THEOLOGICAL,         
RELIGIOUS, AND LEGAL.           
POLITICAL, THEOLOGICAL,         
RELIGIOUS, AND LEGAL.           
>> BUT WHAT'S THE AMERICAN      
RELIGIOUS, AND LEGAL.           
>> BUT WHAT'S THE AMERICAN      
ROLE IN THAT?                   
>> BUT WHAT'S THE AMERICAN      
ROLE IN THAT?                   
>> AMERICA HAS A LOT OF         
ROLE IN THAT?                   
>> AMERICA HAS A LOT OF         
INFLUENCE, BECAUSE AMERICA IS   
>> AMERICA HAS A LOT OF         
INFLUENCE, BECAUSE AMERICA IS   
-- HAS SOFT POWER.              
INFLUENCE, BECAUSE AMERICA IS   
-- HAS SOFT POWER.              
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE VERY        
-- HAS SOFT POWER.              
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE VERY        
STRONG PRESENCES IN MANY        
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE VERY        
STRONG PRESENCES IN MANY        
PARTS OF THE WORLD.             
STRONG PRESENCES IN MANY        
PARTS OF THE WORLD.             
BUT ALSO, THERE'S SOMETHING     
PARTS OF THE WORLD.             
BUT ALSO, THERE'S SOMETHING     
ELSE.                           
BUT ALSO, THERE'S SOMETHING     
ELSE.                           
WHEN I LOOK AT THE ROLE OF      
ELSE.                           
WHEN I LOOK AT THE ROLE OF      
AMERICAN RELIGION, LET ME       
WHEN I LOOK AT THE ROLE OF      
AMERICAN RELIGION, LET ME       
CALL IT THAT -- IN OTHER        
AMERICAN RELIGION, LET ME       
CALL IT THAT -- IN OTHER        
WORDS, IF YOU LOOK AT -- THE    
CALL IT THAT -- IN OTHER        
WORDS, IF YOU LOOK AT -- THE    
AMERICAN CATHOLICS HAD AN       
WORDS, IF YOU LOOK AT -- THE    
AMERICAN CATHOLICS HAD AN       
ENORMOUS INFLUENCE ON THE       
AMERICAN CATHOLICS HAD AN       
ENORMOUS INFLUENCE ON THE       
VATICAN.                        
ENORMOUS INFLUENCE ON THE       
VATICAN.                        
AMERICAN JUDAISM REFRAMED       
VATICAN.                        
AMERICAN JUDAISM REFRAMED       
GLOBAL JUDAISM.                 
AMERICAN JUDAISM REFRAMED       
GLOBAL JUDAISM.                 
THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT      
GLOBAL JUDAISM.                 
THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT      
THE DEVELOPMENT OF A ROBUST     
THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT      
THE DEVELOPMENT OF A ROBUST     
AMERICAN ISLAM WILL ALSO HAVE   
THE DEVELOPMENT OF A ROBUST     
AMERICAN ISLAM WILL ALSO HAVE   
A PROCEED FOUND EFFECT UPON     
AMERICAN ISLAM WILL ALSO HAVE   
A PROCEED FOUND EFFECT UPON     
THE MUSLIM WORLD, BECAUSE       
A PROCEED FOUND EFFECT UPON     
THE MUSLIM WORLD, BECAUSE       
AMERICA IS THE MODERN ROME.     
THE MUSLIM WORLD, BECAUSE       
AMERICA IS THE MODERN ROME.     
IT'S A MODERN -- IT'S THE NEW   
AMERICA IS THE MODERN ROME.     
IT'S A MODERN -- IT'S THE NEW   
GLOBAL SUPERPOWER.              
IT'S A MODERN -- IT'S THE NEW   
GLOBAL SUPERPOWER.              
AND ALREADY, MUSLIMS,           
GLOBAL SUPERPOWER.              
AND ALREADY, MUSLIMS,           
AMERICAN MUSLIMS, HAVE BEEN     
AND ALREADY, MUSLIMS,           
AMERICAN MUSLIMS, HAVE BEEN     
PLAYING AND PUNCHING ABOVE      
AMERICAN MUSLIMS, HAVE BEEN     
PLAYING AND PUNCHING ABOVE      
THEIR WEIGHT IN MANY CASES.     
PLAYING AND PUNCHING ABOVE      
THEIR WEIGHT IN MANY CASES.     
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT           
THEIR WEIGHT IN MANY CASES.     
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT           
DEMOCRACY IS BEING ADVANCED     
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT           
DEMOCRACY IS BEING ADVANCED     
IN MANY COUNTRIES EVEN WITH     
DEMOCRACY IS BEING ADVANCED     
IN MANY COUNTRIES EVEN WITH     
GREAT DIFFICULTY IS BECAUSE     
IN MANY COUNTRIES EVEN WITH     
GREAT DIFFICULTY IS BECAUSE     
AMERICANS ARE LOBBYING OUR      
GREAT DIFFICULTY IS BECAUSE     
AMERICANS ARE LOBBYING OUR      
GOVERNMENT FOR THE VALUES       
AMERICANS ARE LOBBYING OUR      
GOVERNMENT FOR THE VALUES       
THAT MUSLIMS SHARE.             
GOVERNMENT FOR THE VALUES       
THAT MUSLIMS SHARE.             
THE PAKISTANI YOUNG MEN WHO     
THAT MUSLIMS SHARE.             
THE PAKISTANI YOUNG MEN WHO     
ARE FIGHTING, I'M SURE AT THE   
THE PAKISTANI YOUNG MEN WHO     
ARE FIGHTING, I'M SURE AT THE   
SAME TIME THEY ARE ASKING IF    
ARE FIGHTING, I'M SURE AT THE   
SAME TIME THEY ARE ASKING IF    
THEY CAN HAVE A VISA TO COME    
SAME TIME THEY ARE ASKING IF    
THEY CAN HAVE A VISA TO COME    
TO THE UNITED STATES.           
THEY CAN HAVE A VISA TO COME    
TO THE UNITED STATES.           
>> A BRITISH PASSPORT.          
TO THE UNITED STATES.           
>> A BRITISH PASSPORT.          
>> MY POINT IS, WHEREVER I      
>> A BRITISH PASSPORT.          
>> MY POINT IS, WHEREVER I      
HAVE GONE, I'VE FOUND THAT      
>> MY POINT IS, WHEREVER I      
HAVE GONE, I'VE FOUND THAT      
PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT FOR        
HAVE GONE, I'VE FOUND THAT      
PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT FOR        
THEIR OWN COUNTRY THE KIND OF   
PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT FOR        
THEIR OWN COUNTRY THE KIND OF   
LIFESTYLE WE HAVE HERE IN       
THEIR OWN COUNTRY THE KIND OF   
LIFESTYLE WE HAVE HERE IN       
AMERICA.                        
LIFESTYLE WE HAVE HERE IN       
AMERICA.                        
>> YOU CAN BROADEN IT OUT IF    
AMERICA.                        
>> YOU CAN BROADEN IT OUT IF    
YOU WANT TO.                    
>> YOU CAN BROADEN IT OUT IF    
YOU WANT TO.                    
>> I THINK WE SHOULD REFRAME    
YOU WANT TO.                    
>> I THINK WE SHOULD REFRAME    
THE DEBATE.                     
>> I THINK WE SHOULD REFRAME    
THE DEBATE.                     
NOT EVERY MUSLIM IDENTIFIES     
THE DEBATE.                     
NOT EVERY MUSLIM IDENTIFIES     
AS A MUSLIM, YOU KNOW?          
NOT EVERY MUSLIM IDENTIFIES     
AS A MUSLIM, YOU KNOW?          
IF I WERE TO SAY ME, YOU,       
AS A MUSLIM, YOU KNOW?          
IF I WERE TO SAY ME, YOU,       
JOHN, IN RICHMOND, ON AN        
IF I WERE TO SAY ME, YOU,       
JOHN, IN RICHMOND, ON AN        
AVERAGE SATURDAY NIGHT, THE     
JOHN, IN RICHMOND, ON AN        
AVERAGE SATURDAY NIGHT, THE     
FIRST THING YOU WOULD SAY TO    
AVERAGE SATURDAY NIGHT, THE     
FIRST THING YOU WOULD SAY TO    
ME WHEN YOU INTRODUCED          
FIRST THING YOU WOULD SAY TO    
ME WHEN YOU INTRODUCED          
YOURSELF WOULDN'T BE HI, I'M    
ME WHEN YOU INTRODUCED          
YOURSELF WOULDN'T BE HI, I'M    
JOHN, I'M A CHRISTIAN.          
YOURSELF WOULDN'T BE HI, I'M    
JOHN, I'M A CHRISTIAN.          
MAYBE IT WOULD, BUT I DON'T     
JOHN, I'M A CHRISTIAN.          
MAYBE IT WOULD, BUT I DON'T     
THINK SO.                       
MAYBE IT WOULD, BUT I DON'T     
THINK SO.                       
I DON'T GET THAT IMPRESSION     
THINK SO.                       
I DON'T GET THAT IMPRESSION     
FROM YOU.                       
I DON'T GET THAT IMPRESSION     
FROM YOU.                       
SO LIKEWISE, MOST MUSLIMS       
FROM YOU.                       
SO LIKEWISE, MOST MUSLIMS       
DON'T PRIMARILY IDENTIFY AS     
SO LIKEWISE, MOST MUSLIMS       
DON'T PRIMARILY IDENTIFY AS     
MUSLIMS WHEN INTERACTING        
DON'T PRIMARILY IDENTIFY AS     
MUSLIMS WHEN INTERACTING        
GENERALLY WITH PEOPLE.          
MUSLIMS WHEN INTERACTING        
GENERALLY WITH PEOPLE.          
AS THE ANSWER, SOME ARE         
GENERALLY WITH PEOPLE.          
AS THE ANSWER, SOME ARE         
HOMOSEXUAL, FEMINIST, SOME      
AS THE ANSWER, SOME ARE         
HOMOSEXUAL, FEMINIST, SOME      
ARE MUSLIM AND DEVOUT AND DO    
HOMOSEXUAL, FEMINIST, SOME      
ARE MUSLIM AND DEVOUT AND DO    
IDENTIFY PRIMARILY AS           
ARE MUSLIM AND DEVOUT AND DO    
IDENTIFY PRIMARILY AS           
MUSLIMS.                        
IDENTIFY PRIMARILY AS           
MUSLIMS.                        
OTHERS ARE MUSLIM               
MUSLIMS.                        
OTHERS ARE MUSLIM               
PROFESSIONALS.                  
OTHERS ARE MUSLIM               
PROFESSIONALS.                  
NOT EVERYONE WEARS THE SAME     
PROFESSIONALS.                  
NOT EVERYONE WEARS THE SAME     
HAT.                            
NOT EVERYONE WEARS THE SAME     
HAT.                            
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE    
HAT.                            
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE    
ENGAGE, WE FORCE THE            
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE    
ENGAGE, WE FORCE THE            
CONVERSATION DOWN ONE NARROW    
ENGAGE, WE FORCE THE            
CONVERSATION DOWN ONE NARROW    
TRAIN OF THOUGHT, AND THAT'S    
CONVERSATION DOWN ONE NARROW    
TRAIN OF THOUGHT, AND THAT'S    
BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE           
TRAIN OF THOUGHT, AND THAT'S    
BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE           
QUESTIONS QUESTION ASK.         
BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE           
QUESTIONS QUESTION ASK.         
IF WE WERE TO ENGAGE AND SAY    
QUESTIONS QUESTION ASK.         
IF WE WERE TO ENGAGE AND SAY    
HOW DOES IT FEEL BEING A        
IF WE WERE TO ENGAGE AND SAY    
HOW DOES IT FEEL BEING A        
MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN, THE         
HOW DOES IT FEEL BEING A        
MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN, THE         
PERSON WOULD IMMEDIATELY PUT    
MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN, THE         
PERSON WOULD IMMEDIATELY PUT    
THEIR MUSLIM HATS ON AND SAY    
PERSON WOULD IMMEDIATELY PUT    
THEIR MUSLIM HATS ON AND SAY    
AS A MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN --      
THEIR MUSLIM HATS ON AND SAY    
AS A MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN --      
AND WHAT THAT DOES, IT          
AS A MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN --      
AND WHAT THAT DOES, IT          
EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM OF      
AND WHAT THAT DOES, IT          
EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM OF      
THE IDENTITY POLITICS I SPOKE   
EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM OF      
THE IDENTITY POLITICS I SPOKE   
ABOUT.                          
THE IDENTITY POLITICS I SPOKE   
ABOUT.                          
BASICALLY, THEN, WE             
ABOUT.                          
BASICALLY, THEN, WE             
IMMEDIATELY SET UP A SCENARIO   
BASICALLY, THEN, WE             
IMMEDIATELY SET UP A SCENARIO   
WHERE WE'RE IDENTIFYING AS      
IMMEDIATELY SET UP A SCENARIO   
WHERE WE'RE IDENTIFYING AS      
CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, WHEN      
WHERE WE'RE IDENTIFYING AS      
CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, WHEN      
THAT CONVERSATION COULD HAVE    
CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, WHEN      
THAT CONVERSATION COULD HAVE    
BEEN A TEACHER IS A TEACHER     
THAT CONVERSATION COULD HAVE    
BEEN A TEACHER IS A TEACHER     
OR STUDENT TO STUDENT, HUMAN    
BEEN A TEACHER IS A TEACHER     
OR STUDENT TO STUDENT, HUMAN    
TO HUMAN.                       
OR STUDENT TO STUDENT, HUMAN    
TO HUMAN.                       
I WE -- I THINK WE NEED TO      
TO HUMAN.                       
I WE -- I THINK WE NEED TO      
RECALIBRATE THE WAY WE          
I WE -- I THINK WE NEED TO      
RECALIBRATE THE WAY WE          
APPROACH THIS DEBATE.           
RECALIBRATE THE WAY WE          
APPROACH THIS DEBATE.           
>> THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING   
APPROACH THIS DEBATE.           
>> THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING   
POINT.                          
>> THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING   
POINT.                          
IT BROUGHT BACK TO ME THE       
POINT.                          
IT BROUGHT BACK TO ME THE       
TIME I WAS COVERING MOSCOW AT   
IT BROUGHT BACK TO ME THE       
TIME I WAS COVERING MOSCOW AT   
THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET      
TIME I WAS COVERING MOSCOW AT   
THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET      
UNION AND MY EDITORS WERE       
THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET      
UNION AND MY EDITORS WERE       
ALWAYS ASKING ME TO GO OUT      
UNION AND MY EDITORS WERE       
ALWAYS ASKING ME TO GO OUT      
AND ASK RUSSIANS DO YOU HAVE    
ALWAYS ASKING ME TO GO OUT      
AND ASK RUSSIANS DO YOU HAVE    
HOPE FOR THE FUTURE AND I WAS   
AND ASK RUSSIANS DO YOU HAVE    
HOPE FOR THE FUTURE AND I WAS   
REPORTING, THE RUSSIANS HAVE    
HOPE FOR THE FUTURE AND I WAS   
REPORTING, THE RUSSIANS HAVE    
NO HOPE FOR THE FUTURE!         
REPORTING, THE RUSSIANS HAVE    
NO HOPE FOR THE FUTURE!         
NOT THAT THEY WEREN'T -- THAT   
NO HOPE FOR THE FUTURE!         
NOT THAT THEY WEREN'T -- THAT   
THEY WERE HAVING THANK          
NOT THAT THEY WEREN'T -- THAT   
THEY WERE HAVING THANK          
CONVERSATION.                   
THEY WERE HAVING THANK          
CONVERSATION.                   
WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE       
CONVERSATION.                   
WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE       
QUESTION AND IT'S VERY          
WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE       
QUESTION AND IT'S VERY          
FORWARD LOOKING.                
QUESTION AND IT'S VERY          
FORWARD LOOKING.                
AND MAYBE ONE WORE TWO          
FORWARD LOOKING.                
AND MAYBE ONE WORE TWO          
SENTENCES FROM EACH OF YOU.     
AND MAYBE ONE WORE TWO          
SENTENCES FROM EACH OF YOU.     
FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW, DO YOU    
SENTENCES FROM EACH OF YOU.     
FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW, DO YOU    
BELIEVE THE WORLD WILL STILL    
FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW, DO YOU    
BELIEVE THE WORLD WILL STILL    
HAVE REASON TO ASK THE          
BELIEVE THE WORLD WILL STILL    
HAVE REASON TO ASK THE          
QUESTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN      
HAVE REASON TO ASK THE          
QUESTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN      
ASKING TONIGHT, IN OTHER        
QUESTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN      
ASKING TONIGHT, IN OTHER        
WORDS, IS THERE ANY             
ASKING TONIGHT, IN OTHER        
WORDS, IS THERE ANY             
SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN SIGHT?    
WORDS, IS THERE ANY             
SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN SIGHT?    
IMAM?                           
SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN SIGHT?    
IMAM?                           
>> I BELIEVE THAT IN 50         
IMAM?                           
>> I BELIEVE THAT IN 50         
YEARS, WE WILL HAVE A MUCH      
>> I BELIEVE THAT IN 50         
YEARS, WE WILL HAVE A MUCH      
BETTER PLACE, IF WE HAVE        
YEARS, WE WILL HAVE A MUCH      
BETTER PLACE, IF WE HAVE        
ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT IT.        
BETTER PLACE, IF WE HAVE        
ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT IT.        
>> AAYAN?                       
ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT IT.        
>> AAYAN?                       
>> OF COURSE, I HOPE THAT IN    
>> AAYAN?                       
>> OF COURSE, I HOPE THAT IN    
50 YEARS, THAT THE VIOLENCE     
>> OF COURSE, I HOPE THAT IN    
50 YEARS, THAT THE VIOLENCE     
WE SEE TODAY THAT IS            
50 YEARS, THAT THE VIOLENCE     
WE SEE TODAY THAT IS            
INSROEBLGD -- INVOKED, THAT'S   
WE SEE TODAY THAT IS            
INSROEBLGD -- INVOKED, THAT'S   
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF      
INSROEBLGD -- INVOKED, THAT'S   
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF      
ISLAM, WILL NOT BE THERE, BUT   
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF      
ISLAM, WILL NOT BE THERE, BUT   
WE'VE ENTERED NOW WITH THE      
ISLAM, WILL NOT BE THERE, BUT   
WE'VE ENTERED NOW WITH THE      
ARAB SPRING A PERIOD WHEN       
WE'VE ENTERED NOW WITH THE      
ARAB SPRING A PERIOD WHEN       
THERE IS A HUGE DEMOGRAPHY OF   
ARAB SPRING A PERIOD WHEN       
THERE IS A HUGE DEMOGRAPHY OF   
YOUNG PEOPLE, WHO LIVE IN AND   
THERE IS A HUGE DEMOGRAPHY OF   
YOUNG PEOPLE, WHO LIVE IN AND   
ARE STRUGGLING TO LIVE IN AND   
YOUNG PEOPLE, WHO LIVE IN AND   
ARE STRUGGLING TO LIVE IN AND   
SUR SIFE IN SOCIETIES THAT      
ARE STRUGGLING TO LIVE IN AND   
SUR SIFE IN SOCIETIES THAT      
ARE YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN,      
SUR SIFE IN SOCIETIES THAT      
ARE YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN,      
AND WHERE THERE ARE RELIGIOUS   
ARE YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN,      
AND WHERE THERE ARE RELIGIOUS   
FANATICS, AND THAT HAS JUST     
AND WHERE THERE ARE RELIGIOUS   
FANATICS, AND THAT HAS JUST     
STARTED TO PLAY ITSELF OUT.     
FANATICS, AND THAT HAS JUST     
STARTED TO PLAY ITSELF OUT.     
I LEFT SOMALI -- I LEFT         
STARTED TO PLAY ITSELF OUT.     
I LEFT SOMALI -- I LEFT         
SOMALIA IN 1990 NOVEMBER, AND   
I LEFT SOMALI -- I LEFT         
SOMALIA IN 1990 NOVEMBER, AND   
IN JANUARY 1991 THE CIVIL WAR   
SOMALIA IN 1990 NOVEMBER, AND   
IN JANUARY 1991 THE CIVIL WAR   
STARTED AND NOW IT IS OVER 20   
IN JANUARY 1991 THE CIVIL WAR   
STARTED AND NOW IT IS OVER 20   
YEARS, AND SOMALIA IS STILL     
STARTED AND NOW IT IS OVER 20   
YEARS, AND SOMALIA IS STILL     
IN CIVIL WAR.                   
YEARS, AND SOMALIA IS STILL     
IN CIVIL WAR.                   
SO TWO DECADES, THREE           
IN CIVIL WAR.                   
SO TWO DECADES, THREE           
DECADES, FOUR DECADES, ARE      
SO TWO DECADES, THREE           
DECADES, FOUR DECADES, ARE      
REALLY NOT THAT MUCH.           
DECADES, FOUR DECADES, ARE      
REALLY NOT THAT MUCH.           
I DON'T WANT TO BE              
REALLY NOT THAT MUCH.           
I DON'T WANT TO BE              
OVEROPTIMISTIC.                 
I DON'T WANT TO BE              
OVEROPTIMISTIC.                 
I REALLY HOPE THAT THINGS       
OVEROPTIMISTIC.                 
I REALLY HOPE THAT THINGS       
CHANGE, BUT WE HAVE TO GUARD    
I REALLY HOPE THAT THINGS       
CHANGE, BUT WE HAVE TO GUARD    
OURSELVES TODAY FOR MORE        
CHANGE, BUT WE HAVE TO GUARD    
OURSELVES TODAY FOR MORE        
VIOLENCE, PARTICULARLY INTRA    
OURSELVES TODAY FOR MORE        
VIOLENCE, PARTICULARLY INTRA    
ISLAM, SUNNIS AND SHIITES.      
VIOLENCE, PARTICULARLY INTRA    
ISLAM, SUNNIS AND SHIITES.      
IRAN IS DEVELOPING A BOMB,      
ISLAM, SUNNIS AND SHIITES.      
IRAN IS DEVELOPING A BOMB,      
SAUDI ARABIA IS COMPETING AND   
IRAN IS DEVELOPING A BOMB,      
SAUDI ARABIA IS COMPETING AND   
SUPPORTING PAKISTAN TO GET      
SAUDI ARABIA IS COMPETING AND   
SUPPORTING PAKISTAN TO GET      
THAT BOMB.                      
SUPPORTING PAKISTAN TO GET      
THAT BOMB.                      
EGYPT MAY WANT ONE, TURKEY      
THAT BOMB.                      
EGYPT MAY WANT ONE, TURKEY      
MAY WANT ONE.                   
EGYPT MAY WANT ONE, TURKEY      
MAY WANT ONE.                   
THESE ARE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE    
MAY WANT ONE.                   
THESE ARE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE    
SCENARIOS TO CONSIDER, AND      
THESE ARE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE    
SCENARIOS TO CONSIDER, AND      
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS      
SCENARIOS TO CONSIDER, AND      
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS      
GOING TO BE RESOLVED QUICKLY.   
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS      
GOING TO BE RESOLVED QUICKLY.   
I HOPE IT IS, BUT A LITTLE      
GOING TO BE RESOLVED QUICKLY.   
I HOPE IT IS, BUT A LITTLE      
CAUTION.                        
I HOPE IT IS, BUT A LITTLE      
CAUTION.                        
>> LAST WORD?                   
CAUTION.                        
>> LAST WORD?                   
>> IT'S VERY EASY FOR US TO     
>> LAST WORD?                   
>> IT'S VERY EASY FOR US TO     
BE PESSIMISTIC.                 
>> IT'S VERY EASY FOR US TO     
BE PESSIMISTIC.                 
LET'S NOT FORGET ONE THING.     
BE PESSIMISTIC.                 
LET'S NOT FORGET ONE THING.     
TAKE OURSELVES BACK 60 YEARS    
LET'S NOT FORGET ONE THING.     
TAKE OURSELVES BACK 60 YEARS    
AGO, IN THE PAST, AND WE WERE   
TAKE OURSELVES BACK 60 YEARS    
AGO, IN THE PAST, AND WE WERE   
LOCKED IN WORLD WAR II, IN      
AGO, IN THE PAST, AND WE WERE   
LOCKED IN WORLD WAR II, IN      
THE MOST TERRIBLE CONFLICT      
LOCKED IN WORLD WAR II, IN      
THE MOST TERRIBLE CONFLICT      
THAT THE HISTORY OF MAN KNOWS   
THE MOST TERRIBLE CONFLICT      
THAT THE HISTORY OF MAN KNOWS   
AND NOW EUROPE HAS AN           
THAT THE HISTORY OF MAN KNOWS   
AND NOW EUROPE HAS AN           
ECONOMIC UNION -- FINE, IT'S    
AND NOW EUROPE HAS AN           
ECONOMIC UNION -- FINE, IT'S    
NOT DOING TOO WELL AT THE       
ECONOMIC UNION -- FINE, IT'S    
NOT DOING TOO WELL AT THE       
MOMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT           
NOT DOING TOO WELL AT THE       
MOMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT           
FIGHTING EACH OTHER ANYMORE,    
MOMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT           
FIGHTING EACH OTHER ANYMORE,    
SO THE MIDDLE EAST, THOUGH IT   
FIGHTING EACH OTHER ANYMORE,    
SO THE MIDDLE EAST, THOUGH IT   
LOOKS LIKE IT'S A MESS, IT'S    
SO THE MIDDLE EAST, THOUGH IT   
LOOKS LIKE IT'S A MESS, IT'S    
NOT WORLD WAR II.               
LOOKS LIKE IT'S A MESS, IT'S    
NOT WORLD WAR II.               
I THINK 50 YEARS IN THE         
NOT WORLD WAR II.               
I THINK 50 YEARS IN THE         
FUTURE, WE MAY END UP WITH A    
I THINK 50 YEARS IN THE         
FUTURE, WE MAY END UP WITH A    
SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE HAVE      
FUTURE, WE MAY END UP WITH A    
SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE HAVE      
DECIDED TO RECONCILE A LOT OF   
SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE HAVE      
DECIDED TO RECONCILE A LOT OF   
THESE ISSUES.                   
DECIDED TO RECONCILE A LOT OF   
THESE ISSUES.                   
WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS     
THESE ISSUES.                   
WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS     
EVERYONE HAVING                 
WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS     
EVERYONE HAVING                 
COFFEE-COLORED CHILDREN, MEN    
EVERYONE HAVING                 
COFFEE-COLORED CHILDREN, MEN    
SPEAKING ITALIAN AND THE        
COFFEE-COLORED CHILDREN, MEN    
SPEAKING ITALIAN AND THE        
WOMEN SPEAKING FRENCH!          
SPEAKING ITALIAN AND THE        
WOMEN SPEAKING FRENCH!          
>>  ALL RIGHT.                  
WOMEN SPEAKING FRENCH!          
>>  ALL RIGHT.                  
WELL, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S   
>>  ALL RIGHT.                  
WELL, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S   
A SATURDAY NIGHT, AND WE WILL   
WELL, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S   
A SATURDAY NIGHT, AND WE WILL   
SEE YOU ALL THERE.              
A SATURDAY NIGHT, AND WE WILL   
SEE YOU ALL THERE.              
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT,      
SEE YOU ALL THERE.              
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT,      
EVERYONE!                       
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT,      
EVERYONE!                       
>>  THANK YOU.                  
EVERYONE!                       
>>  THANK YOU.                  
I'M JON DONVAN.                 
>>  THANK YOU.                  
I'M JON DONVAN.                 
YOU WERE JUST WATCHING A        
I'M JON DONVAN.                 
YOU WERE JUST WATCHING A        
CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE    
YOU WERE JUST WATCHING A        
CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE    
UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE       
CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE    
UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE       
RICHMOND FORUM.                 
UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE       
RICHMOND FORUM.                 
THIS PAST SATURDAY, AT THE      
RICHMOND FORUM.                 
THIS PAST SATURDAY, AT THE      
LANDMARK THEATER BEFORE A       
THIS PAST SATURDAY, AT THE      
LANDMARK THEATER BEFORE A       
SOLD OUT CROWD, WHERE THE       
LANDMARK THEATER BEFORE A       
SOLD OUT CROWD, WHERE THE       
TOPIC WAS ISLAM AND THE         
SOLD OUT CROWD, WHERE THE       
TOPIC WAS ISLAM AND THE         
QUESTION PHRASE WAS THIS.       
TOPIC WAS ISLAM AND THE         
QUESTION PHRASE WAS THIS.       
IF IZ -- IS ISLAM A RELIGION    
QUESTION PHRASE WAS THIS.       
IF IZ -- IS ISLAM A RELIGION    
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE AND THE    
IF IZ -- IS ISLAM A RELIGION    
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE AND THE    
PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION    
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE AND THE    
PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION    
THAT IS ABOUT TO UNFOLD NOW     
PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION    
THAT IS ABOUT TO UNFOLD NOW     
IS TO BRING THIS CONVERSATION   
THAT IS ABOUT TO UNFOLD NOW     
IS TO BRING THIS CONVERSATION   
BACK TO RICHMOND, TO THIS       
IS TO BRING THIS CONVERSATION   
BACK TO RICHMOND, TO THIS       
COMMUNITY.                      
BACK TO RICHMOND, TO THIS       
COMMUNITY.                      
AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE THREE   
COMMUNITY.                      
AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE THREE   
CITIZENS, DENIZENS OF           
AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE THREE   
CITIZENS, DENIZENS OF           
RICHMOND WHO WILLER TAKING      
CITIZENS, DENIZENS OF           
RICHMOND WHO WILLER TAKING      
PART OF THIS CONVERSATION,      
RICHMOND WHO WILLER TAKING      
PART OF THIS CONVERSATION,      
FROM NEAREST ME, IMAM AMMAR     
PART OF THIS CONVERSATION,      
FROM NEAREST ME, IMAM AMMAR     
AMONETTE, WHO LEADS THE         
FROM NEAREST ME, IMAM AMMAR     
AMONETTE, WHO LEADS THE         
ISLAMIC CENTER FOR VIRGINIA,    
AMONETTE, WHO LEADS THE         
ISLAMIC CENTER FOR VIRGINIA,    
THE REVEREND BILL SACHS OF      
ISLAMIC CENTER FOR VIRGINIA,    
THE REVEREND BILL SACHS OF      
THE SAINT STEPHEN'S EPIS        
THE REVEREND BILL SACHS OF      
THE SAINT STEPHEN'S EPIS        
COPAP CHURCH AND CENTER FOR     
THE SAINT STEPHEN'S EPIS        
COPAP CHURCH AND CENTER FOR     
INTER FAITH RECONCILIATION      
COPAP CHURCH AND CENTER FOR     
INTER FAITH RECONCILIATION      
AND RABBI BEN ROMER OF THE      
INTER FAITH RECONCILIATION      
AND RABBI BEN ROMER OF THE      
CONGREGATION OR OMI.            
AND RABBI BEN ROMER OF THE      
CONGREGATION OR OMI.            
I'M GOING TO SHARE QUICKLY,     
CONGREGATION OR OMI.            
I'M GOING TO SHARE QUICKLY,     
THE THREE OF YOU ARE LONG       
I'M GOING TO SHARE QUICKLY,     
THE THREE OF YOU ARE LONG       
TIME FRIENDS.                   
THE THREE OF YOU ARE LONG       
TIME FRIENDS.                   
OBVIOUSLY, CONNECTED BY THE     
TIME FRIENDS.                   
OBVIOUSLY, CONNECTED BY THE     
PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, JUST     
OBVIOUSLY, CONNECTED BY THE     
PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, JUST     
AS WE WERE BEGINNING, THAT      
PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, JUST     
AS WE WERE BEGINNING, THAT      
FOOD UNITES ALL OF YOU.         
AS WE WERE BEGINNING, THAT      
FOOD UNITES ALL OF YOU.         
A LOT OF OTHER THINGS UNITE     
FOOD UNITES ALL OF YOU.         
A LOT OF OTHER THINGS UNITE     
ALL OF YOU.                     
A LOT OF OTHER THINGS UNITE     
ALL OF YOU.                     
WHAT IS IT THAT BRINGS THE      
ALL OF YOU.                     
WHAT IS IT THAT BRINGS THE      
THREE OF YOU TOGETHER?          
WHAT IS IT THAT BRINGS THE      
THREE OF YOU TOGETHER?          
AND WHEN DID YOU CONNECT WITH   
THREE OF YOU TOGETHER?          
AND WHEN DID YOU CONNECT WITH   
ONE ANOTHER?                    
AND WHEN DID YOU CONNECT WITH   
ONE ANOTHER?                    
>> REVEREND?                    
ONE ANOTHER?                    
>> REVEREND?                    
>> FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS,       
>> REVEREND?                    
>> FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS,       
MAYBE, WE HAVE PERIODICALLY     
>> FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS,       
MAYBE, WE HAVE PERIODICALLY     
BEEN HAVING LUNCH, AND WE       
MAYBE, WE HAVE PERIODICALLY     
BEEN HAVING LUNCH, AND WE       
HAVE OTHER COLLEAGUES IN ALL    
BEEN HAVING LUNCH, AND WE       
HAVE OTHER COLLEAGUES IN ALL    
OF OUR FAITHS WHO HAVE COME     
HAVE OTHER COLLEAGUES IN ALL    
OF OUR FAITHS WHO HAVE COME     
IN THE GROUP.                   
OF OUR FAITHS WHO HAVE COME     
IN THE GROUP.                   
WE'VE DONE OTHER THINGS,        
IN THE GROUP.                   
WE'VE DONE OTHER THINGS,        
WE'VE DONE JOINT HABITAT FOR    
WE'VE DONE OTHER THINGS,        
WE'VE DONE JOINT HABITAT FOR    
HUMANITY PROJECTS, GONE TO      
WE'VE DONE JOINT HABITAT FOR    
HUMANITY PROJECTS, GONE TO      
MONTICELLO, THOMAS              
HUMANITY PROJECTS, GONE TO      
MONTICELLO, THOMAS              
JEFFERSON'S HOME, TO TALK       
MONTICELLO, THOMAS              
JEFFERSON'S HOME, TO TALK       
ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM     
JEFFERSON'S HOME, TO TALK       
ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM     
IN AMERICA.                     
ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM     
IN AMERICA.                     
WE'VE FOUND, BY GOD'S GRACE,    
IN AMERICA.                     
WE'VE FOUND, BY GOD'S GRACE,    
AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO TALK   
WE'VE FOUND, BY GOD'S GRACE,    
AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO TALK   
TO ONE ANOTHER ABOUT            
AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO TALK   
TO ONE ANOTHER ABOUT            
ANYTHING.                       
TO ONE ANOTHER ABOUT            
ANYTHING.                       
>> EVEN THE HARD                
ANYTHING.                       
>> EVEN THE HARD                
CONVERSATIONS?                  
>> EVEN THE HARD                
CONVERSATIONS?                  
>> PARDON ME?                   
CONVERSATIONS?                  
>> PARDON ME?                   
>> EVEN THE HARD                
>> PARDON ME?                   
>> EVEN THE HARD                
CONVERSATIONS?                  
>> EVEN THE HARD                
CONVERSATIONS?                  
>> EVEN THE HARD                
CONVERSATIONS?                  
>> EVEN THE HARD                
CONVERSATIONS.                  
>> EVEN THE HARD                
CONVERSATIONS.                  
WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL.           
CONVERSATIONS.                  
WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL.           
>> LET ME GET TO WHAT MAY BE    
WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL.           
>> LET ME GET TO WHAT MAY BE    
A HARD CONVERSATION, AND THAT   
>> LET ME GET TO WHAT MAY BE    
A HARD CONVERSATION, AND THAT   
IS THE NOTION THAT WHAT WE      
A HARD CONVERSATION, AND THAT   
IS THE NOTION THAT WHAT WE      
SAW WAS A CONVERSATION, WHERE   
IS THE NOTION THAT WHAT WE      
SAW WAS A CONVERSATION, WHERE   
WE WERE ACTUALLY WEIGHING THE   
SAW WAS A CONVERSATION, WHERE   
WE WERE ACTUALLY WEIGHING THE   
PEACE BELIEVENESS --            
WE WERE ACTUALLY WEIGHING THE   
PEACE BELIEVENESS --            
PEACEABLENESS OF ONE            
PEACE BELIEVENESS --            
PEACEABLENESS OF ONE            
RELIGIOUS FAITH.                
PEACEABLENESS OF ONE            
RELIGIOUS FAITH.                
IT WAS THIS ONE QUESTION, IS    
RELIGIOUS FAITH.                
IT WAS THIS ONE QUESTION, IS    
ISLAM A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE    
IT WAS THIS ONE QUESTION, IS    
ISLAM A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE    
OR PEACE.                       
ISLAM A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE    
OR PEACE.                       
TO A MUSLIM IN ITSELF, LET'S    
OR PEACE.                       
TO A MUSLIM IN ITSELF, LET'S    
FACE IT, THAT WOULD REPRESENT   
TO A MUSLIM IN ITSELF, LET'S    
FACE IT, THAT WOULD REPRESENT   
SOMETHING OF AN AFFRONT TO      
FACE IT, THAT WOULD REPRESENT   
SOMETHING OF AN AFFRONT TO      
HAVE THAT ON A POSTER.          
SOMETHING OF AN AFFRONT TO      
HAVE THAT ON A POSTER.          
AT THE SAME TIME, LET'S         
HAVE THAT ON A POSTER.          
AT THE SAME TIME, LET'S         
RECOGNIZE THAT TO A LARGE       
AT THE SAME TIME, LET'S         
RECOGNIZE THAT TO A LARGE       
PART OF THE AMERICAN            
RECOGNIZE THAT TO A LARGE       
PART OF THE AMERICAN            
POPULATION, THE STORY OF        
PART OF THE AMERICAN            
POPULATION, THE STORY OF        
ISLAM AS VIOLENT IS THE ONE     
POPULATION, THE STORY OF        
ISLAM AS VIOLENT IS THE ONE     
THAT THEY KNOW, WHICH WAS THE   
ISLAM AS VIOLENT IS THE ONE     
THAT THEY KNOW, WHICH WAS THE   
PURPOSE OF OUR EVEN HAVING      
THAT THEY KNOW, WHICH WAS THE   
PURPOSE OF OUR EVEN HAVING      
THAT CONVERSATION IN THE        
PURPOSE OF OUR EVEN HAVING      
THAT CONVERSATION IN THE        
FIRST PLACE.                    
THAT CONVERSATION IN THE        
FIRST PLACE.                    
BUT AN INTERESTING QUESTION     
FIRST PLACE.                    
BUT AN INTERESTING QUESTION     
CAME FROM THE AUDIENCE, AMONG   
BUT AN INTERESTING QUESTION     
CAME FROM THE AUDIENCE, AMONG   
HUNDREDS OF QUESTION, AND       
CAME FROM THE AUDIENCE, AMONG   
HUNDREDS OF QUESTION, AND       
MOST WERE ACTUALLY              
HUNDREDS OF QUESTION, AND       
MOST WERE ACTUALLY              
SPECTACULAR.                    
MOST WERE ACTUALLY              
SPECTACULAR.                    
BUT A MAN NAMED BRAMAN          
SPECTACULAR.                    
BUT A MAN NAMED BRAMAN          
HILLMAN WROTE ARE THERE ANY     
BUT A MAN NAMED BRAMAN          
HILLMAN WROTE ARE THERE ANY     
VIABLE METHODS TO REFRAME THE   
HILLMAN WROTE ARE THERE ANY     
VIABLE METHODS TO REFRAME THE   
DISCOURSE AND IF SO, WHAT ARE   
VIABLE METHODS TO REFRAME THE   
DISCOURSE AND IF SO, WHAT ARE   
THEY, AND IF NOT, HOW CAN       
DISCOURSE AND IF SO, WHAT ARE   
THEY, AND IF NOT, HOW CAN       
THEY BE DEVELOPED.              
THEY, AND IF NOT, HOW CAN       
THEY BE DEVELOPED.              
SO IMAM, LET ME ASK YOU         
THEY BE DEVELOPED.              
SO IMAM, LET ME ASK YOU         
THIS:FULS THE QUESTION THAT     
SO IMAM, LET ME ASK YOU         
THIS:FULS THE QUESTION THAT     
WAS PUT BEFORE THE AUDIENCE     
THIS:FULS THE QUESTION THAT     
WAS PUT BEFORE THE AUDIENCE     
AT THE FORUM THE RIGHT          
WAS PUT BEFORE THE AUDIENCE     
AT THE FORUM THE RIGHT          
QUESTION TO BE ASKING?          
AT THE FORUM THE RIGHT          
QUESTION TO BE ASKING?          
>> WELL, NO.                    
QUESTION TO BE ASKING?          
>> WELL, NO.                    
YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, THE        
>> WELL, NO.                    
YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, THE        
RICHMOND FORUM IS PART OF       
YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, THE        
RICHMOND FORUM IS PART OF       
RICHMOND, AND IT AFFECTS        
RICHMOND FORUM IS PART OF       
RICHMOND, AND IT AFFECTS        
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN          
RICHMOND, AND IT AFFECTS        
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN          
RICHMOND.                       
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN          
RICHMOND.                       
THERE ARE UPWARDS OF 10,000     
RICHMOND.                       
THERE ARE UPWARDS OF 10,000     
MUSLIMS WHO ARE NEIGHBORS       
THERE ARE UPWARDS OF 10,000     
MUSLIMS WHO ARE NEIGHBORS       
HERE IN THIS CITY AND IN THE    
MUSLIMS WHO ARE NEIGHBORS       
HERE IN THIS CITY AND IN THE    
REGION.                         
HERE IN THIS CITY AND IN THE    
REGION.                         
AND PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW WHO     
REGION.                         
AND PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW WHO     
THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE.            
AND PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW WHO     
THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE.            
AND WHEN YOU FRAME SOMETHING    
THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE.            
AND WHEN YOU FRAME SOMETHING    
IN A GENERAL WAY, IT SOUNDS     
AND WHEN YOU FRAME SOMETHING    
IN A GENERAL WAY, IT SOUNDS     
LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT       
IN A GENERAL WAY, IT SOUNDS     
LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT       
THIS SCARY FORCE THAT IS FROM   
LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT       
THIS SCARY FORCE THAT IS FROM   
FAR AWAY.                       
THIS SCARY FORCE THAT IS FROM   
FAR AWAY.                       
NOT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT   
FAR AWAY.                       
NOT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT   
YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE AND     
NOT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT   
YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE AND     
WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL WITH      
YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE AND     
WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL WITH      
YOU.                            
WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL WITH      
YOU.                            
SO HOW WE FRAME THINGS LIKE     
YOU.                            
SO HOW WE FRAME THINGS LIKE     
THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY AND   
SO HOW WE FRAME THINGS LIKE     
THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY AND   
EVERY MEMBER IN OUR             
THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY AND   
EVERY MEMBER IN OUR             
COMMUNITY.                      
EVERY MEMBER IN OUR             
COMMUNITY.                      
WE COULD HAVE TURNED THAT AND   
COMMUNITY.                      
WE COULD HAVE TURNED THAT AND   
MADE IT ABOUT ANOTHER           
WE COULD HAVE TURNED THAT AND   
MADE IT ABOUT ANOTHER           
RELIGION, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE   
MADE IT ABOUT ANOTHER           
RELIGION, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE   
THAT IF IT WERE ABOUT JUDAISM   
RELIGION, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE   
THAT IF IT WERE ABOUT JUDAISM   
THAT PERHAPS THE JEWISH         
THAT IF IT WERE ABOUT JUDAISM   
THAT PERHAPS THE JEWISH         
COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE BEEN       
THAT PERHAPS THE JEWISH         
COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE BEEN       
CONSULTED ABOUT THAT, YOU       
COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE BEEN       
CONSULTED ABOUT THAT, YOU       
KNOW, AND IF WE BROUGHT         
CONSULTED ABOUT THAT, YOU       
KNOW, AND IF WE BROUGHT         
EXTREMIST VIEWPOINTS ABOUT      
KNOW, AND IF WE BROUGHT         
EXTREMIST VIEWPOINTS ABOUT      
ANY CHRISTIAN OR ANY TPOERLS    
EXTREMIST VIEWPOINTS ABOUT      
ANY CHRISTIAN OR ANY TPOERLS    
OF ANY RELIGION, THAT WE        
ANY CHRISTIAN OR ANY TPOERLS    
OF ANY RELIGION, THAT WE        
WOULD CONSULT WITH THE LOCAL    
OF ANY RELIGION, THAT WE        
WOULD CONSULT WITH THE LOCAL    
COMMUNITY THAT'S GOING TO BE    
WOULD CONSULT WITH THE LOCAL    
COMMUNITY THAT'S GOING TO BE    
AFFECTED DIRECTLY BY THAT.      
COMMUNITY THAT'S GOING TO BE    
AFFECTED DIRECTLY BY THAT.      
>> RABBI, YOU WERE AT THE       
AFFECTED DIRECTLY BY THAT.      
>> RABBI, YOU WERE AT THE       
CONVERSATION.                   
>> RABBI, YOU WERE AT THE       
CONVERSATION.                   
YOU WERE IN THE AUDIENCE.       
CONVERSATION.                   
YOU WERE IN THE AUDIENCE.       
WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM     
YOU WERE IN THE AUDIENCE.       
WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM     
IT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD          
WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM     
IT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD          
ADDRESS THE IMAM'S POINT TO     
IT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD          
ADDRESS THE IMAM'S POINT TO     
THE BROADER COMMUNITY HAVING    
ADDRESS THE IMAM'S POINT TO     
THE BROADER COMMUNITY HAVING    
A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF    
THE BROADER COMMUNITY HAVING    
A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF    
WHO THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE?        
A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF    
WHO THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE?        
>> WELL, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY   
WHO THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE?        
>> WELL, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY   
WAS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY    
>> WELL, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY   
WAS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY    
WHO WAS THERE, BUT I THINK      
WAS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY    
WHO WAS THERE, BUT I THINK      
THE INTERCHANGE WAS HELPFUL     
WHO WAS THERE, BUT I THINK      
THE INTERCHANGE WAS HELPFUL     
AMONG PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT      
THE INTERCHANGE WAS HELPFUL     
AMONG PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT      
HAVE ANY BACKGROUND,            
AMONG PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT      
HAVE ANY BACKGROUND,            
UNDERSTAND THE DIVERSITY AND    
HAVE ANY BACKGROUND,            
UNDERSTAND THE DIVERSITY AND    
DIFFICULTY OF THE DISCUSSION,   
UNDERSTAND THE DIVERSITY AND    
DIFFICULTY OF THE DISCUSSION,   
AND SO IT WAS HELPFUL BY        
DIFFICULTY OF THE DISCUSSION,   
AND SO IT WAS HELPFUL BY        
GETTING PEOPLE IN, BUT IT'S     
AND SO IT WAS HELPFUL BY        
GETTING PEOPLE IN, BUT IT'S     
AT TIMES ALMOST INFLAMMATORY    
GETTING PEOPLE IN, BUT IT'S     
AT TIMES ALMOST INFLAMMATORY    
BY THE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU       
AT TIMES ALMOST INFLAMMATORY    
BY THE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU       
USE.                            
BY THE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU       
USE.                            
AND FOR ME, THE CHALLENGE IS    
USE.                            
AND FOR ME, THE CHALLENGE IS    
WHO DO YOU FRAME THE            
AND FOR ME, THE CHALLENGE IS    
WHO DO YOU FRAME THE            
DISCUSSION.                     
WHO DO YOU FRAME THE            
DISCUSSION.                     
AND THE MINUTE YOU SAY          
DISCUSSION.                     
AND THE MINUTE YOU SAY          
VIOLENCE, THERE WE GO.          
AND THE MINUTE YOU SAY          
VIOLENCE, THERE WE GO.          
AND I KNOW THAT'S HOW WE TALK   
VIOLENCE, THERE WE GO.          
AND I KNOW THAT'S HOW WE TALK   
ABOUT THINGS.                   
AND I KNOW THAT'S HOW WE TALK   
ABOUT THINGS.                   
IT'S ALWAYS THE ALARMING        
ABOUT THINGS.                   
IT'S ALWAYS THE ALARMING        
HEADLINES.                      
IT'S ALWAYS THE ALARMING        
HEADLINES.                      
BUT FOR US HERE, THE PART OF    
HEADLINES.                      
BUT FOR US HERE, THE PART OF    
WHAT'S GOING ON IS WE MEET      
BUT FOR US HERE, THE PART OF    
WHAT'S GOING ON IS WE MEET      
ONCE A YEAR AND WE SHARE        
WHAT'S GOING ON IS WE MEET      
ONCE A YEAR AND WE SHARE        
FOOD, WE SHARE THOUGHTS, AND    
ONCE A YEAR AND WE SHARE        
FOOD, WE SHARE THOUGHTS, AND    
WE MEET EACH OTHER, AND IN A    
FOOD, WE SHARE THOUGHTS, AND    
WE MEET EACH OTHER, AND IN A    
TRILOGUE, JEWISH, CHRISTIANS,   
WE MEET EACH OTHER, AND IN A    
TRILOGUE, JEWISH, CHRISTIANS,   
MUSLIMS TALKING TOGETHER, WE    
TRILOGUE, JEWISH, CHRISTIANS,   
MUSLIMS TALKING TOGETHER, WE    
MEET WITH EACH OTHER AND TALK   
MUSLIMS TALKING TOGETHER, WE    
MEET WITH EACH OTHER AND TALK   
WITH EACH OTHER, RATHER THAN    
MEET WITH EACH OTHER AND TALK   
WITH EACH OTHER, RATHER THAN    
AT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE       
WITH EACH OTHER, RATHER THAN    
AT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE       
CHALLENGES IN A DIFFICULT       
AT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE       
CHALLENGES IN A DIFFICULT       
SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHERE      
CHALLENGES IN A DIFFICULT       
SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHERE      
YOU BRING UP TOPICS, AND THEN   
SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHERE      
YOU BRING UP TOPICS, AND THEN   
AFTER TALKING TOGETHER, WALK    
YOU BRING UP TOPICS, AND THEN   
AFTER TALKING TOGETHER, WALK    
AWAY.                           
AFTER TALKING TOGETHER, WALK    
AWAY.                           
>> I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS    
AWAY.                           
>> I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS    
THAT WE ARE NOT IN ANY          
>> I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS    
THAT WE ARE NOT IN ANY          
SUFFICIENT WAY TALKING TO AND   
THAT WE ARE NOT IN ANY          
SUFFICIENT WAY TALKING TO AND   
WITH ONE ANOTHER.               
SUFFICIENT WAY TALKING TO AND   
WITH ONE ANOTHER.               
I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS     
WITH ONE ANOTHER.               
I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS     
DURING THE PROGRAM, SOMEONE     
I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS     
DURING THE PROGRAM, SOMEONE     
D. WHEN YOU SAID THAT ONE OF    
DURING THE PROGRAM, SOMEONE     
D. WHEN YOU SAID THAT ONE OF    
THE THINGS WE DON'T TALK        
D. WHEN YOU SAID THAT ONE OF    
THE THINGS WE DON'T TALK        
ABOUT IS RELIGION.              
THE THINGS WE DON'T TALK        
ABOUT IS RELIGION.              
THE PROBLEM IS WE DESPERATELY   
ABOUT IS RELIGION.              
THE PROBLEM IS WE DESPERATELY   
NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR FAITH,   
THE PROBLEM IS WE DESPERATELY   
NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR FAITH,   
AND WHEN WE DO, I THINK MORE    
NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR FAITH,   
AND WHEN WE DO, I THINK MORE    
OFTEN THAN NOT, WE DISCOVER     
AND WHEN WE DO, I THINK MORE    
OFTEN THAN NOT, WE DISCOVER     
COMMONALITY, WE DISCOVER THAT   
OFTEN THAN NOT, WE DISCOVER     
COMMONALITY, WE DISCOVER THAT   
WE ARE NEIGHBORS, WE DISCOVER   
COMMONALITY, WE DISCOVER THAT   
WE ARE NEIGHBORS, WE DISCOVER   
THAT WE CARE ABOUT THE SAME     
WE ARE NEIGHBORS, WE DISCOVER   
THAT WE CARE ABOUT THE SAME     
CITY AND THE SAME REGION, WE    
THAT WE CARE ABOUT THE SAME     
CITY AND THE SAME REGION, WE    
CARE ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND      
CITY AND THE SAME REGION, WE    
CARE ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND      
THE HEALTH CARE AND THE         
CARE ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND      
THE HEALTH CARE AND THE         
TRANSPORTATION.                 
THE HEALTH CARE AND THE         
TRANSPORTATION.                 
WE LIVE HERE TOGETHER.          
TRANSPORTATION.                 
WE LIVE HERE TOGETHER.          
BUT TAKES COMING TO THE         
WE LIVE HERE TOGETHER.          
BUT TAKES COMING TO THE         
TABLE, IT TAKES CREATING        
BUT TAKES COMING TO THE         
TABLE, IT TAKES CREATING        
OCCASIONS TO GET TO KNOW ONE    
TABLE, IT TAKES CREATING        
OCCASIONS TO GET TO KNOW ONE    
ANOTHER.                        
OCCASIONS TO GET TO KNOW ONE    
ANOTHER.                        
AND THEN THE REWARD IS          
ANOTHER.                        
AND THEN THE REWARD IS          
EXTRAORDINARY.                  
AND THEN THE REWARD IS          
EXTRAORDINARY.                  
>> DO YOU RECOGNIZE, THOUGH,    
EXTRAORDINARY.                  
>> DO YOU RECOGNIZE, THOUGH,    
THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT      
>> DO YOU RECOGNIZE, THOUGH,    
THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT      
MAY SEEM LIKE A FRIGHTENING     
THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT      
MAY SEEM LIKE A FRIGHTENING     
THING TO DO, A SCARY THING TO   
MAY SEEM LIKE A FRIGHTENING     
THING TO DO, A SCARY THING TO   
DO AND AT MINIMUM AN AWKWARD    
THING TO DO, A SCARY THING TO   
DO AND AT MINIMUM AN AWKWARD    
THING TO DO TO APPROACH         
DO AND AT MINIMUM AN AWKWARD    
THING TO DO TO APPROACH         
SOMEONE OF A DIFFERENT FAITH    
THING TO DO TO APPROACH         
SOMEONE OF A DIFFERENT FAITH    
WITH A REAL INTENTION OF        
SOMEONE OF A DIFFERENT FAITH    
WITH A REAL INTENTION OF        
WANTING TO HAVE THAT            
WITH A REAL INTENTION OF        
WANTING TO HAVE THAT            
CONVERSATION BUT NOT KNOWING    
WANTING TO HAVE THAT            
CONVERSATION BUT NOT KNOWING    
HOW TO DO IT, HOW TO ENTER      
CONVERSATION BUT NOT KNOWING    
HOW TO DO IT, HOW TO ENTER      
INTO IT?                        
HOW TO DO IT, HOW TO ENTER      
INTO IT?                        
>> I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND   
INTO IT?                        
>> I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND   
RESPECT THAT.                   
>> I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND   
RESPECT THAT.                   
BUT I COME BACK TO SOME VERY    
RESPECT THAT.                   
BUT I COME BACK TO SOME VERY    
PRACTICAL THINGS.               
BUT I COME BACK TO SOME VERY    
PRACTICAL THINGS.               
I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO       
PRACTICAL THINGS.               
I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO       
CONVENE THAT REDUCE THE         
I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO       
CONVENE THAT REDUCE THE         
TENSION.                        
CONVENE THAT REDUCE THE         
TENSION.                        
THE SIMPLEST WAY IS AROUND A    
TENSION.                        
THE SIMPLEST WAY IS AROUND A    
MIDDLE EAST AND WE'VE DONE      
THE SIMPLEST WAY IS AROUND A    
MIDDLE EAST AND WE'VE DONE      
SOME OF THESE IN LOCAL          
MIDDLE EAST AND WE'VE DONE      
SOME OF THESE IN LOCAL          
CONGREGATIONS, AND WE'VE PUT    
SOME OF THESE IN LOCAL          
CONGREGATIONS, AND WE'VE PUT    
PEOPLE AT TABLES WITH SIX OR    
CONGREGATIONS, AND WE'VE PUT    
PEOPLE AT TABLES WITH SIX OR    
SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE AT A      
PEOPLE AT TABLES WITH SIX OR    
SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE AT A      
TABLE, MIXING UP THE            
SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE AT A      
TABLE, MIXING UP THE            
DIFFERENT FAITHS, AND PEOPLE    
TABLE, MIXING UP THE            
DIFFERENT FAITHS, AND PEOPLE    
TALK ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES,      
DIFFERENT FAITHS, AND PEOPLE    
TALK ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES,      
THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY LIKE   
TALK ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES,      
THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY LIKE   
TO COOK OR LIKE TO GO OUT TO    
THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY LIKE   
TO COOK OR LIKE TO GO OUT TO    
EAT.                            
TO COOK OR LIKE TO GO OUT TO    
EAT.                            
IT COMES BACK TO BASICS.        
EAT.                            
IT COMES BACK TO BASICS.        
>> IT KEEPS COMING BACK TO      
IT COMES BACK TO BASICS.        
>> IT KEEPS COMING BACK TO      
FOOD, I KNOW.                   
>> IT KEEPS COMING BACK TO      
FOOD, I KNOW.                   
>> IT DOES COME BACK TO FOOD.   
FOOD, I KNOW.                   
>> IT DOES COME BACK TO FOOD.   
>> IT'S THE UNIVERSAL -- IT'S   
>> IT DOES COME BACK TO FOOD.   
>> IT'S THE UNIVERSAL -- IT'S   
OXYGEN.                         
>> IT'S THE UNIVERSAL -- IT'S   
OXYGEN.                         
>> ABSOLUTELY.                  
OXYGEN.                         
>> ABSOLUTELY.                  
>> SO REALLY, THE CHALLENGE     
>> ABSOLUTELY.                  
>> SO REALLY, THE CHALLENGE     
IS WE HAVE TO HAVE RELIGION,    
>> SO REALLY, THE CHALLENGE     
IS WE HAVE TO HAVE RELIGION,    
AND THE BROAD BASE OF WHAT      
IS WE HAVE TO HAVE RELIGION,    
AND THE BROAD BASE OF WHAT      
RELIGION IS.                    
AND THE BROAD BASE OF WHAT      
RELIGION IS.                    
ISLAM, SKWRAOUZISM,             
RELIGION IS.                    
ISLAM, SKWRAOUZISM,             
CHRISTIANITY, PWAOUZISM,        
ISLAM, SKWRAOUZISM,             
CHRISTIANITY, PWAOUZISM,        
HINDUISM, ALL THE --            
CHRISTIANITY, PWAOUZISM,        
HINDUISM, ALL THE --            
HINDUISM, ALL THE GROUPS, AND   
HINDUISM, ALL THE --            
HINDUISM, ALL THE GROUPS, AND   
THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT, THE      
HINDUISM, ALL THE GROUPS, AND   
THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT, THE      
TOTAL FAITH COMMUNITY'S         
THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT, THE      
TOTAL FAITH COMMUNITY'S         
INPUT.                          
TOTAL FAITH COMMUNITY'S         
INPUT.                          
YOU HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS,   
INPUT.                          
YOU HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS,   
AND VOICES THAT TEND TO BE      
YOU HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS,   
AND VOICES THAT TEND TO BE      
THE MOST STRIDENT VOICES.       
AND VOICES THAT TEND TO BE      
THE MOST STRIDENT VOICES.       
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST       
THE MOST STRIDENT VOICES.       
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST       
NIGHT, WHO THREATENS THE        
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST       
NIGHT, WHO THREATENS THE        
MOST, AND THE ONE WITH THE      
NIGHT, WHO THREATENS THE        
MOST, AND THE ONE WITH THE      
BAGGEST STAKES HAVE THE         
MOST, AND THE ONE WITH THE      
BAGGEST STAKES HAVE THE         
LOUDEST VOICES AND WE LOSE      
BAGGEST STAKES HAVE THE         
LOUDEST VOICES AND WE LOSE      
THE DYNAMIC OF THE TOTAL        
LOUDEST VOICES AND WE LOSE      
THE DYNAMIC OF THE TOTAL        
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE   
THE DYNAMIC OF THE TOTAL        
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE   
REALLY ARE, SO YOU ONLY GET     
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE   
REALLY ARE, SO YOU ONLY GET     
AN IMAGE ABOUT WHAT YOU HEAR    
REALLY ARE, SO YOU ONLY GET     
AN IMAGE ABOUT WHAT YOU HEAR    
IN THE SOUND BITES THAT SHOW    
AN IMAGE ABOUT WHAT YOU HEAR    
IN THE SOUND BITES THAT SHOW    
UP, RATHER THAN WHAT PEOPLE     
IN THE SOUND BITES THAT SHOW    
UP, RATHER THAN WHAT PEOPLE     
REALLY ARE.                     
UP, RATHER THAN WHAT PEOPLE     
REALLY ARE.                     
AND THE IMPORTANCE OF           
REALLY ARE.                     
AND THE IMPORTANCE OF           
RELIGION AND FAITH AND          
AND THE IMPORTANCE OF           
RELIGION AND FAITH AND          
SPIRITUALITY, IN THE VERY       
RELIGION AND FAITH AND          
SPIRITUALITY, IN THE VERY       
REAL WORLD DISCUSSIONS OF       
SPIRITUALITY, IN THE VERY       
REAL WORLD DISCUSSIONS OF       
EVERYTHING THAT WE DEAL WITH.   
REAL WORLD DISCUSSIONS OF       
EVERYTHING THAT WE DEAL WITH.   
>> TELL ME ABOUT THE MUSLIM     
EVERYTHING THAT WE DEAL WITH.   
>> TELL ME ABOUT THE MUSLIM     
COMMUNITY IN RICHMOND.          
>> TELL ME ABOUT THE MUSLIM     
COMMUNITY IN RICHMOND.          
HOW BIG IS IT, HOW OLD IS IT?   
COMMUNITY IN RICHMOND.          
HOW BIG IS IT, HOW OLD IS IT?   
AND WHO IS THERE?               
HOW BIG IS IT, HOW OLD IS IT?   
AND WHO IS THERE?               
THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, IT'S       
AND WHO IS THERE?               
THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, IT'S       
BEEN HERE FOR A LONG, LONG      
THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, IT'S       
BEEN HERE FOR A LONG, LONG      
TIME, BUT IT'S BEEN AN          
BEEN HERE FOR A LONG, LONG      
TIME, BUT IT'S BEEN AN          
INVISIBLE COMMUNITY.            
TIME, BUT IT'S BEEN AN          
INVISIBLE COMMUNITY.            
IT'S BEEN REALLY GROWING THE    
INVISIBLE COMMUNITY.            
IT'S BEEN REALLY GROWING THE    
LAST 40 PLUS YEARS, AND IT'S    
IT'S BEEN REALLY GROWING THE    
LAST 40 PLUS YEARS, AND IT'S    
NOW MORE THAN 10,000 PEOPLE     
LAST 40 PLUS YEARS, AND IT'S    
NOW MORE THAN 10,000 PEOPLE     
HERE LOCALLY, AND IN            
NOW MORE THAN 10,000 PEOPLE     
HERE LOCALLY, AND IN            
VIRGINIA, IT IS A VERY LARGE    
HERE LOCALLY, AND IN            
VIRGINIA, IT IS A VERY LARGE    
CONCENTRATION OF MUSLIMS, OF    
VIRGINIA, IT IS A VERY LARGE    
CONCENTRATION OF MUSLIMS, OF    
COURSE.                         
CONCENTRATION OF MUSLIMS, OF    
COURSE.                         
THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IS         
COURSE.                         
THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IS         
EXTREMELY DIVERSE.              
THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IS         
EXTREMELY DIVERSE.              
THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE         
EXTREMELY DIVERSE.              
THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE         
REFUGEES JUST ARRIVING ON OUR   
THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE         
REFUGEES JUST ARRIVING ON OUR   
SHORES FROM EVERY POSSIBLE      
REFUGEES JUST ARRIVING ON OUR   
SHORES FROM EVERY POSSIBLE      
AREA IN THE WORLD.              
SHORES FROM EVERY POSSIBLE      
AREA IN THE WORLD.              
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE       
AREA IN THE WORLD.              
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE       
BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS.      
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE       
BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS.      
THE SORT OF MAINSTAYS OF OUR    
BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS.      
THE SORT OF MAINSTAYS OF OUR    
COMMUNITY ARE PROFESSIONAL      
THE SORT OF MAINSTAYS OF OUR    
COMMUNITY ARE PROFESSIONAL      
PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN      
COMMUNITY ARE PROFESSIONAL      
PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN      
THE MEDICAL FIELD, EDUCATION,   
PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN      
THE MEDICAL FIELD, EDUCATION,   
INDUSTRY, GOVERNMENT, AND       
THE MEDICAL FIELD, EDUCATION,   
INDUSTRY, GOVERNMENT, AND       
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE           
INDUSTRY, GOVERNMENT, AND       
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE           
MILITARY.                       
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE           
MILITARY.                       
WE HAVE, OF COURSE, IN EVERY    
MILITARY.                       
WE HAVE, OF COURSE, IN EVERY    
MUSLIM COMMUNITY, PLENTY OF     
WE HAVE, OF COURSE, IN EVERY    
MUSLIM COMMUNITY, PLENTY OF     
SERVICE MEMBERS AS WELL.        
MUSLIM COMMUNITY, PLENTY OF     
SERVICE MEMBERS AS WELL.        
SO WE CAN'T REALLY STEREOTYPE   
SERVICE MEMBERS AS WELL.        
SO WE CAN'T REALLY STEREOTYPE   
A COMMUNITY AS ONE THING OR     
SO WE CAN'T REALLY STEREOTYPE   
A COMMUNITY AS ONE THING OR     
ANOTHER.                        
A COMMUNITY AS ONE THING OR     
ANOTHER.                        
IT REPRESENTS PEOPLE OF EVERY   
ANOTHER.                        
IT REPRESENTS PEOPLE OF EVERY   
ETHNIC BACKGROUND, EVERY        
IT REPRESENTS PEOPLE OF EVERY   
ETHNIC BACKGROUND, EVERY        
INCOME LEVEL, EVERY             
ETHNIC BACKGROUND, EVERY        
INCOME LEVEL, EVERY             
EDUCATIONAL LEVEL.              
INCOME LEVEL, EVERY             
EDUCATIONAL LEVEL.              
>> HIGHLY EDUCATED.             
EDUCATIONAL LEVEL.              
>> HIGHLY EDUCATED.             
I HAD A SENSE WHEN YOU WERE     
>> HIGHLY EDUCATED.             
I HAD A SENSE WHEN YOU WERE     
TALKING ABOUT THE               
I HAD A SENSE WHEN YOU WERE     
TALKING ABOUT THE               
PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, MEDICINE,   
TALKING ABOUT THE               
PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, MEDICINE,   
THAT THERE WAS MORE OF A BENT   
PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, MEDICINE,   
THAT THERE WAS MORE OF A BENT   
TOWARDS BEING HIGHLY            
THAT THERE WAS MORE OF A BENT   
TOWARDS BEING HIGHLY            
EDUCATED.                       
TOWARDS BEING HIGHLY            
EDUCATED.                       
>> THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN      
EDUCATED.                       
>> THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN      
THE UNITED STATES ON A WHOLE    
>> THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN      
THE UNITED STATES ON A WHOLE    
IS STATISTICALLY MORE           
THE UNITED STATES ON A WHOLE    
IS STATISTICALLY MORE           
EDUCATED AND AFFLUENT THAN      
IS STATISTICALLY MORE           
EDUCATED AND AFFLUENT THAN      
PERHAPS THE CHRISTIAN           
EDUCATED AND AFFLUENT THAN      
PERHAPS THE CHRISTIAN           
COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE    
PERHAPS THE CHRISTIAN           
COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE    
1 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION,    
COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE    
1 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION,    
BUT IT IS ACTUALLY VERY         
1 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION,    
BUT IT IS ACTUALLY VERY         
DIVERSE.                        
BUT IT IS ACTUALLY VERY         
DIVERSE.                        
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO JUST MIG     
DIVERSE.                        
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO JUST MIG     
RATED HERE WHO BARELY SPEAK     
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO JUST MIG     
RATED HERE WHO BARELY SPEAK     
ENGLISH AND PEOPLE FROM A       
RATED HERE WHO BARELY SPEAK     
ENGLISH AND PEOPLE FROM A       
POOR BACKGROUND.                
ENGLISH AND PEOPLE FROM A       
POOR BACKGROUND.                
>> AT THE RICHMOND FORUM, WE    
POOR BACKGROUND.                
>> AT THE RICHMOND FORUM, WE    
DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE     
>> AT THE RICHMOND FORUM, WE    
DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE     
EVERYONE ON THE STAGE WAS       
DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE     
EVERYONE ON THE STAGE WAS       
MUSLIM, BUT NOW WE HAVE A       
EVERYONE ON THE STAGE WAS       
MUSLIM, BUT NOW WE HAVE A       
MUSLIM, A JEW AND CHRISTIAN.    
MUSLIM, BUT NOW WE HAVE A       
MUSLIM, A JEW AND CHRISTIAN.    
>> A WALKING JOKE.              
MUSLIM, A JEW AND CHRISTIAN.    
>> A WALKING JOKE.              
>> AND BUT TELL ME ABOUT --     
>> A WALKING JOKE.              
>> AND BUT TELL ME ABOUT --     
YOU HAVE USED THE WORD          
>> AND BUT TELL ME ABOUT --     
YOU HAVE USED THE WORD          
COMMONALITIES AMONG THE         
YOU HAVE USED THE WORD          
COMMONALITIES AMONG THE         
FAITHS.                         
COMMONALITIES AMONG THE         
FAITHS.                         
ALL THREE FAITHS RECOGNIZE      
FAITHS.                         
ALL THREE FAITHS RECOGNIZE      
ABRAHAM, ALL THREE FAITHS       
ALL THREE FAITHS RECOGNIZE      
ABRAHAM, ALL THREE FAITHS       
WORSHIP ONE GOD.                
ABRAHAM, ALL THREE FAITHS       
WORSHIP ONE GOD.                
BUT THOSE ARE THE BASICS.       
WORSHIP ONE GOD.                
BUT THOSE ARE THE BASICS.       
THOSE ARE IMPORTANT BASICS.     
BUT THOSE ARE THE BASICS.       
THOSE ARE IMPORTANT BASICS.     
BUT BEYOND THAT, WHEN YOU       
THOSE ARE IMPORTANT BASICS.     
BUT BEYOND THAT, WHEN YOU       
CHAT WITH ONE ANOTHER, DO YOU   
BUT BEYOND THAT, WHEN YOU       
CHAT WITH ONE ANOTHER, DO YOU   
DISCOVER MORE DIFFERENCES OR    
CHAT WITH ONE ANOTHER, DO YOU   
DISCOVER MORE DIFFERENCES OR    
MORE SIMILARITIES OR A RICH     
DISCOVER MORE DIFFERENCES OR    
MORE SIMILARITIES OR A RICH     
TREASURE OF BOTH OF THOSE       
MORE SIMILARITIES OR A RICH     
TREASURE OF BOTH OF THOSE       
THINGS?                         
TREASURE OF BOTH OF THOSE       
THINGS?                         
>> I THINK WE SEE MORE          
THINGS?                         
>> I THINK WE SEE MORE          
SIMILARITIES.                   
>> I THINK WE SEE MORE          
SIMILARITIES.                   
JUST BEFORE THE CAMERA BEGAN    
SIMILARITIES.                   
JUST BEFORE THE CAMERA BEGAN    
ROLLING, WE WERE TALKING        
JUST BEFORE THE CAMERA BEGAN    
ROLLING, WE WERE TALKING        
ABOUT COMMONALITIES IN          
ROLLING, WE WERE TALKING        
ABOUT COMMONALITIES IN          
PRACTICE BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND    
ABOUT COMMONALITIES IN          
PRACTICE BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND    
JEWS AND THE JEWISH ORIGIN OF   
PRACTICE BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND    
JEWS AND THE JEWISH ORIGIN OF   
CERTAIN CHRISTIAN IDEAS --      
JEWS AND THE JEWISH ORIGIN OF   
CERTAIN CHRISTIAN IDEAS --      
IDEAS.                          
CERTAIN CHRISTIAN IDEAS --      
IDEAS.                          
WE HAVE COMMON ROOTS.           
IDEAS.                          
WE HAVE COMMON ROOTS.           
AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT       
WE HAVE COMMON ROOTS.           
AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT       
WHEN WE CONVENE PEOPLE TO       
AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT       
WHEN WE CONVENE PEOPLE TO       
TALK ABOUT OUR COMMONALITIES    
WHEN WE CONVENE PEOPLE TO       
TALK ABOUT OUR COMMONALITIES    
WE FIND SIMILARITIES IN WAYS    
TALK ABOUT OUR COMMONALITIES    
WE FIND SIMILARITIES IN WAYS    
WE PRAY, SIMILARITIES IN WAYS   
WE FIND SIMILARITIES IN WAYS    
WE PRAY, SIMILARITIES IN WAYS   
WE TRY TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN    
WE PRAY, SIMILARITIES IN WAYS   
WE TRY TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN    
THE VALUES OF THE FAITH.        
WE TRY TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN    
THE VALUES OF THE FAITH.        
SO WE HAVE DEEP, DEEP COMMON    
THE VALUES OF THE FAITH.        
SO WE HAVE DEEP, DEEP COMMON    
ROOTS.                          
SO WE HAVE DEEP, DEEP COMMON    
ROOTS.                          
>> THE CHALLENGE IS ALWAYS      
ROOTS.                          
>> THE CHALLENGE IS ALWAYS      
HAVING SIRTE IN -- --           
>> THE CHALLENGE IS ALWAYS      
HAVING SIRTE IN -- --           
CONFIDENCE IN YOUR OWN FAITH    
HAVING SIRTE IN -- --           
CONFIDENCE IN YOUR OWN FAITH    
THAT --                         
CONFIDENCE IN YOUR OWN FAITH    
THAT --                         
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY          
THAT --                         
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY          
CONFIDENCE IN OUR OWN FAITH.    
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY          
CONFIDENCE IN OUR OWN FAITH.    
>> MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE     
CONFIDENCE IN OUR OWN FAITH.    
>> MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE     
TALK TO EACH OTHER, WE COME     
>> MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE     
TALK TO EACH OTHER, WE COME     
FROM THE LEVEL OF I DON'T       
TALK TO EACH OTHER, WE COME     
FROM THE LEVEL OF I DON'T       
KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEY OWN      
FROM THE LEVEL OF I DON'T       
KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEY OWN      
FAITH.                          
KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEY OWN      
FAITH.                          
MOST JEWS DON'T KNOW THAT       
FAITH.                          
MOST JEWS DON'T KNOW THAT       
MUCH ABOUT ISLAM, THEY DON'T    
MOST JEWS DON'T KNOW THAT       
MUCH ABOUT ISLAM, THEY DON'T    
KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT            
MUCH ABOUT ISLAM, THEY DON'T    
KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT            
CHRISTIANITY, MOST CHRISTIANS   
KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT            
CHRISTIANITY, MOST CHRISTIANS   
DON'T KNOW ABOUT JUDAISM AND    
CHRISTIANITY, MOST CHRISTIANS   
DON'T KNOW ABOUT JUDAISM AND    
CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW MUCH       
DON'T KNOW ABOUT JUDAISM AND    
CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW MUCH       
ABOUT ISLAM AND MOST MUSLIMS    
CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW MUCH       
ABOUT ISLAM AND MOST MUSLIMS    
AREN'T BETTER EDUCATED IN       
ABOUT ISLAM AND MOST MUSLIMS    
AREN'T BETTER EDUCATED IN       
MOST CASES ABOUT THE OTHER      
AREN'T BETTER EDUCATED IN       
MOST CASES ABOUT THE OTHER      
RELIGIONS AS WELL.              
MOST CASES ABOUT THE OTHER      
RELIGIONS AS WELL.              
WE ALL KNOW BITS AND PIECES,    
RELIGIONS AS WELL.              
WE ALL KNOW BITS AND PIECES,    
STRAW MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE     
WE ALL KNOW BITS AND PIECES,    
STRAW MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE     
SET OUT.                        
STRAW MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE     
SET OUT.                        
THE MORE WE KNOW ABOUT EACH     
SET OUT.                        
THE MORE WE KNOW ABOUT EACH     
OTHER, THE MORE WE FIND THAT    
THE MORE WE KNOW ABOUT EACH     
OTHER, THE MORE WE FIND THAT    
WE SHARE CERTAIN COMMON VALUE   
OTHER, THE MORE WE FIND THAT    
WE SHARE CERTAIN COMMON VALUE   
S, CARE FOR THE PERSON,         
WE SHARE CERTAIN COMMON VALUE   
S, CARE FOR THE PERSON,         
CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND     
S, CARE FOR THE PERSON,         
CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND     
REALIZE THAT AS WE LEARN MORE   
CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND     
REALIZE THAT AS WE LEARN MORE   
ABOUT EACH OTHER, WE ENHANCE    
REALIZE THAT AS WE LEARN MORE   
ABOUT EACH OTHER, WE ENHANCE    
OUR OWN SENSE OF CONFIDENCE     
ABOUT EACH OTHER, WE ENHANCE    
OUR OWN SENSE OF CONFIDENCE     
WITHIN OUR OWN RELIGIOUS        
OUR OWN SENSE OF CONFIDENCE     
WITHIN OUR OWN RELIGIOUS        
COMMUNITY AND CAN REACH OUT     
WITHIN OUR OWN RELIGIOUS        
COMMUNITY AND CAN REACH OUT     
MORE CONFIDENTLY AND MORE       
COMMUNITY AND CAN REACH OUT     
MORE CONFIDENTLY AND MORE       
COOPERATIVELY TO REALIZE ALL    
MORE CONFIDENTLY AND MORE       
COOPERATIVELY TO REALIZE ALL    
OF US TOGETHER CREATE A MUCH    
COOPERATIVELY TO REALIZE ALL    
OF US TOGETHER CREATE A MUCH    
GREATER SENSE OF SPIRITUAL      
OF US TOGETHER CREATE A MUCH    
GREATER SENSE OF SPIRITUAL      
STRENGTH.                       
GREATER SENSE OF SPIRITUAL      
STRENGTH.                       
>> ALL THREE OF THE             
STRENGTH.                       
>> ALL THREE OF THE             
COMMUNITIES ARE OF MIDDLE       
>> ALL THREE OF THE             
COMMUNITIES ARE OF MIDDLE       
EASTERN ORIGIN, THEY SHARE A    
COMMUNITIES ARE OF MIDDLE       
EASTERN ORIGIN, THEY SHARE A    
COMMON HERITAGE.                
EASTERN ORIGIN, THEY SHARE A    
COMMON HERITAGE.                
THEY ARE ALL FROM THAT          
COMMON HERITAGE.                
THEY ARE ALL FROM THAT          
SEMITTIC CULTURE OF THE         
THEY ARE ALL FROM THAT          
SEMITTIC CULTURE OF THE         
ANCIENT NEAR EAST.              
SEMITTIC CULTURE OF THE         
ANCIENT NEAR EAST.              
AND WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON.    
ANCIENT NEAR EAST.              
AND WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON.    
WE CELEBRATE OUR RELIGIOUS      
AND WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON.    
WE CELEBRATE OUR RELIGIOUS      
VALUES DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE      
WE CELEBRATE OUR RELIGIOUS      
VALUES DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE      
SHARE THE SAME ETHICAL AND      
VALUES DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE      
SHARE THE SAME ETHICAL AND      
MORAL VALUES AND SAME           
SHARE THE SAME ETHICAL AND      
MORAL VALUES AND SAME           
COMMITMENT TO THE SAME BASIC    
MORAL VALUES AND SAME           
COMMITMENT TO THE SAME BASIC    
COMMANDMENTS OF CARING FOR      
COMMITMENT TO THE SAME BASIC    
COMMANDMENTS OF CARING FOR      
OUR FELLOW MAN AND OUR          
COMMANDMENTS OF CARING FOR      
OUR FELLOW MAN AND OUR          
COMMUNITY.                      
OUR FELLOW MAN AND OUR          
COMMUNITY.                      
BUT THOSE ARE CELEBRATED WITH   
COMMUNITY.                      
BUT THOSE ARE CELEBRATED WITH   
DIFFERENT RITUAL ACTIONS THAT   
BUT THOSE ARE CELEBRATED WITH   
DIFFERENT RITUAL ACTIONS THAT   
ARE DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE AND    
DIFFERENT RITUAL ACTIONS THAT   
ARE DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE AND    
VALUABLE.                       
ARE DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE AND    
VALUABLE.                       
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE      
VALUABLE.                       
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE      
FACT THAT YOU CAN'T INTERPRET   
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE      
FACT THAT YOU CAN'T INTERPRET   
THE CURAN WITHOUT REFERENCE     
FACT THAT YOU CAN'T INTERPRET   
THE CURAN WITHOUT REFERENCE     
TO JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY,    
THE CURAN WITHOUT REFERENCE     
TO JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY,    
AND I THINK IN CHRISTIANITY,    
TO JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY,    
AND I THINK IN CHRISTIANITY,    
IT IS DEPENDENT ALSO ON THE     
AND I THINK IN CHRISTIANITY,    
IT IS DEPENDENT ALSO ON THE     
JEWISH ROOTS.                   
IT IS DEPENDENT ALSO ON THE     
JEWISH ROOTS.                   
AND ALL OF US NEED THE OTHER,   
JEWISH ROOTS.                   
AND ALL OF US NEED THE OTHER,   
AND WE CAN'T ACTUALLY -- IN     
AND ALL OF US NEED THE OTHER,   
AND WE CAN'T ACTUALLY -- IN     
FACT, WE ARE RICHER BECAUSE     
AND WE CAN'T ACTUALLY -- IN     
FACT, WE ARE RICHER BECAUSE     
OF OUR ASSOCIATION.             
FACT, WE ARE RICHER BECAUSE     
OF OUR ASSOCIATION.             
AND WE WOULD BE POORER          
OF OUR ASSOCIATION.             
AND WE WOULD BE POORER          
WITHOUT THE OTHER.              
AND WE WOULD BE POORER          
WITHOUT THE OTHER.              
AND IT GIVES US A MEANING AND   
WITHOUT THE OTHER.              
AND IT GIVES US A MEANING AND   
PURPOSE.                        
AND IT GIVES US A MEANING AND   
PURPOSE.                        
COMPARING AND CONTRASTING       
PURPOSE.                        
COMPARING AND CONTRASTING       
MAKES US ALL UNDERSTAND OUR     
COMPARING AND CONTRASTING       
MAKES US ALL UNDERSTAND OUR     
OWN TRADITIONS BETTER.          
MAKES US ALL UNDERSTAND OUR     
OWN TRADITIONS BETTER.          
>> SO WE'VE SPENT A COUPLE OF   
OWN TRADITIONS BETTER.          
>> SO WE'VE SPENT A COUPLE OF   
MINUTES TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S    
>> SO WE'VE SPENT A COUPLE OF   
MINUTES TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S    
COMMON, AND THE FACT THAT       
MINUTES TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S    
COMMON, AND THE FACT THAT       
THIS WAS CONTROVERSIAL IN THE   
COMMON, AND THE FACT THAT       
THIS WAS CONTROVERSIAL IN THE   
FIRST PLACE GOES NOT ONLY TO    
THIS WAS CONTROVERSIAL IN THE   
FIRST PLACE GOES NOT ONLY TO    
THE FACT OF THE WAY THE         
FIRST PLACE GOES NOT ONLY TO    
THE FACT OF THE WAY THE         
QUESTION WAS RAISED AT THE      
THE FACT OF THE WAY THE         
QUESTION WAS RAISED AT THE      
FORUM, BUT ALSO, REVEREND,      
QUESTION WAS RAISED AT THE      
FORUM, BUT ALSO, REVEREND,      
YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE         
FORUM, BUT ALSO, REVEREND,      
YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE         
DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS TO BE   
YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE         
DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS TO BE   
HAD.                            
DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS TO BE   
HAD.                            
SO RATHER THAN LEAVE THIS       
HAD.                            
SO RATHER THAN LEAVE THIS       
BEING JUST A LOVEFEST, WHICH    
SO RATHER THAN LEAVE THIS       
BEING JUST A LOVEFEST, WHICH    
IT'S GREAT THAT IT CAN BE,      
BEING JUST A LOVEFEST, WHICH    
IT'S GREAT THAT IT CAN BE,      
AND IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU ARE     
IT'S GREAT THAT IT CAN BE,      
AND IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU ARE     
ALL COMFORTABLE WITH ONE        
AND IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU ARE     
ALL COMFORTABLE WITH ONE        
ANOTHER, LET'S TALK A LITTLE    
ALL COMFORTABLE WITH ONE        
ANOTHER, LET'S TALK A LITTLE    
ABOUT WHAT THE DIFFICULT        
ANOTHER, LET'S TALK A LITTLE    
ABOUT WHAT THE DIFFICULT        
CONVERSATIONS ARE.              
ABOUT WHAT THE DIFFICULT        
CONVERSATIONS ARE.              
REVEREND, WHAT IS IT THAT IS    
CONVERSATIONS ARE.              
REVEREND, WHAT IS IT THAT IS    
HARD TO TALK ABOUT?             
REVEREND, WHAT IS IT THAT IS    
HARD TO TALK ABOUT?             
>> ONE THING THAT'S CERTAINLY   
HARD TO TALK ABOUT?             
>> ONE THING THAT'S CERTAINLY   
HARD TO TALK ABOUT IS A         
>> ONE THING THAT'S CERTAINLY   
HARD TO TALK ABOUT IS A         
CONFLICTED HISTORY.             
HARD TO TALK ABOUT IS A         
CONFLICTED HISTORY.             
IN THE CASE OF CHRISTIANITY,    
CONFLICTED HISTORY.             
IN THE CASE OF CHRISTIANITY,    
THERE WAS AN EPISODE A          
IN THE CASE OF CHRISTIANITY,    
THERE WAS AN EPISODE A          
THOUSAND YEARS AGO KNOWN AS     
THERE WAS AN EPISODE A          
THOUSAND YEARS AGO KNOWN AS     
THE CRUSADE.                    
THOUSAND YEARS AGO KNOWN AS     
THE CRUSADE.                    
IN FACT -- THAT WORD IN SOME    
THE CRUSADE.                    
IN FACT -- THAT WORD IN SOME    
SENSE HAS BEEN SEIZED UPON BY   
IN FACT -- THAT WORD IN SOME    
SENSE HAS BEEN SEIZED UPON BY   
EXTREMISTS TO TRY TO FLAG --    
SENSE HAS BEEN SEIZED UPON BY   
EXTREMISTS TO TRY TO FLAG --    
>> WHO IS EXTREMIST?            
EXTREMISTS TO TRY TO FLAG --    
>> WHO IS EXTREMIST?            
>> IN THIS CASE, MIDDLE         
>> WHO IS EXTREMIST?            
>> IN THIS CASE, MIDDLE         
EASTERN EXTREMISTS, PRIMARILY   
>> IN THIS CASE, MIDDLE         
EASTERN EXTREMISTS, PRIMARILY   
MUSLIM EXTREMIST *S, WHO        
EASTERN EXTREMISTS, PRIMARILY   
MUSLIM EXTREMIST *S, WHO        
WOULD FLAG THE CRUSADES AS AN   
MUSLIM EXTREMIST *S, WHO        
WOULD FLAG THE CRUSADES AS AN   
EPISODE THAT CHARACTERIZES      
WOULD FLAG THE CRUSADES AS AN   
EPISODE THAT CHARACTERIZES      
CHRISTIANITY FOR ALL TIME AND   
EPISODE THAT CHARACTERIZES      
CHRISTIANITY FOR ALL TIME AND   
CHARACTERIZES WESTERN           
CHRISTIANITY FOR ALL TIME AND   
CHARACTERIZES WESTERN           
POLITICAL INTENTIONS TODAY      
CHARACTERIZES WESTERN           
POLITICAL INTENTIONS TODAY      
AND THE CRUSADE IS CERTAINLY    
POLITICAL INTENTIONS TODAY      
AND THE CRUSADE IS CERTAINLY    
AN EPISODE IN THE HISTORY OF    
AND THE CRUSADE IS CERTAINLY    
AN EPISODE IN THE HISTORY OF    
CHRISTIANITY THAT ARE           
AN EPISODE IN THE HISTORY OF    
CHRISTIANITY THAT ARE           
REGRETFUL, TO SAY THE LEAST,    
CHRISTIANITY THAT ARE           
REGRETFUL, TO SAY THE LEAST,    
IF NOT SHAMEFUL.                
REGRETFUL, TO SAY THE LEAST,    
IF NOT SHAMEFUL.                
SO WE HAVE A CONFLICTED         
IF NOT SHAMEFUL.                
SO WE HAVE A CONFLICTED         
HISTORY THAT WE DO NEED TO      
SO WE HAVE A CONFLICTED         
HISTORY THAT WE DO NEED TO      
MOVE BEYOND.                    
HISTORY THAT WE DO NEED TO      
MOVE BEYOND.                    
AND I CAN'T SAY THAT WITHOUT    
MOVE BEYOND.                    
AND I CAN'T SAY THAT WITHOUT    
MENTIONING THE HOL CAUST --     
AND I CAN'T SAY THAT WITHOUT    
MENTIONING THE HOL CAUST --     
HOLE COST AS -- HOLOCAUST AS    
MENTIONING THE HOL CAUST --     
HOLE COST AS -- HOLOCAUST AS    
WELL.                           
HOLE COST AS -- HOLOCAUST AS    
WELL.                           
THE DIFFICULT ISSUES IN THE     
WELL.                           
THE DIFFICULT ISSUES IN THE     
PAST AND THE DIFFERENCES        
THE DIFFICULT ISSUES IN THE     
PAST AND THE DIFFERENCES        
AMONG US TODAY ARE NOT          
PAST AND THE DIFFERENCES        
AMONG US TODAY ARE NOT          
IMPEDIMENTS, THEY ARE           
AMONG US TODAY ARE NOT          
IMPEDIMENTS, THEY ARE           
INCENTIVES.                     
IMPEDIMENTS, THEY ARE           
INCENTIVES.                     
>> AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU     
INCENTIVES.                     
>> AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU     
WHETHER JUST THE EXISTENCE OF   
>> AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU     
WHETHER JUST THE EXISTENCE OF   
ISRAEL AND PALESTINE --         
WHETHER JUST THE EXISTENCE OF   
ISRAEL AND PALESTINE --         
>> I THINK THAT IS A            
ISRAEL AND PALESTINE --         
>> I THINK THAT IS A            
QUESTION, ON MANY LEVELS,       
>> I THINK THAT IS A            
QUESTION, ON MANY LEVELS,       
IT'S POLITICAL.                 
QUESTION, ON MANY LEVELS,       
IT'S POLITICAL.                 
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST       
IT'S POLITICAL.                 
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST       
TIME.                           
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST       
TIME.                           
IS IT RELIGIOUS.                
TIME.                           
IS IT RELIGIOUS.                
WELL, SOMETIMES WE WILL TAKE    
IS IT RELIGIOUS.                
WELL, SOMETIMES WE WILL TAKE    
RELIGION AND USE IT AS A        
WELL, SOMETIMES WE WILL TAKE    
RELIGION AND USE IT AS A        
PRETEXT.                        
RELIGION AND USE IT AS A        
PRETEXT.                        
BUT IT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS     
PRETEXT.                        
BUT IT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS     
TO BE DISCUSSED.                
BUT IT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS     
TO BE DISCUSSED.                
AND IT'S A HARD QUESTION AND    
TO BE DISCUSSED.                
AND IT'S A HARD QUESTION AND    
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HAS TO     
AND IT'S A HARD QUESTION AND    
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HAS TO     
DEAL WITH IT, THE ISLAMIC       
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HAS TO     
DEAL WITH IT, THE ISLAMIC       
COMMUNITY HAS TO DEAL WITH      
DEAL WITH IT, THE ISLAMIC       
COMMUNITY HAS TO DEAL WITH      
IT.                             
COMMUNITY HAS TO DEAL WITH      
IT.                             
>> WHAT DO YOU SAY IN THAT      
IT.                             
>> WHAT DO YOU SAY IN THAT      
CONVERSATION?                   
>> WHAT DO YOU SAY IN THAT      
CONVERSATION?                   
WHAT IS THAT CONVERSATION?      
CONVERSATION?                   
WHAT IS THAT CONVERSATION?      
>> I MIGHT SAY SOMETHING        
WHAT IS THAT CONVERSATION?      
>> I MIGHT SAY SOMETHING        
DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS WILL.     
>> I MIGHT SAY SOMETHING        
DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS WILL.     
BUT I HAVE CERTAIN VIEWS ON     
DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS WILL.     
BUT I HAVE CERTAIN VIEWS ON     
WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE THAT      
BUT I HAVE CERTAIN VIEWS ON     
WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE THAT      
JUDAISM CAN LEGITIMATELY --     
WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE THAT      
JUDAISM CAN LEGITIMATELY --     
AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE A     
JUDAISM CAN LEGITIMATELY --     
AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE A     
SECOND AREA SITUATION WHEN IT   
AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE A     
SECOND AREA SITUATION WHEN IT   
COMES TO GOVERNANCE AND         
SECOND AREA SITUATION WHEN IT   
COMES TO GOVERNANCE AND         
FREEDOM.                        
COMES TO GOVERNANCE AND         
FREEDOM.                        
THAT'S NOT A JEWISH VALUE.      
FREEDOM.                        
THAT'S NOT A JEWISH VALUE.      
SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT            
THAT'S NOT A JEWISH VALUE.      
SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT            
TWO-STATE SOLUTIONS AND         
SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT            
TWO-STATE SOLUTIONS AND         
ISSUES OF THAT NATURE.          
TWO-STATE SOLUTIONS AND         
ISSUES OF THAT NATURE.          
YET, STILL, UNDERSTAND THAT     
ISSUES OF THAT NATURE.          
YET, STILL, UNDERSTAND THAT     
THE FULL RIGHT AND PRIVILEGE    
YET, STILL, UNDERSTAND THAT     
THE FULL RIGHT AND PRIVILEGE    
OF THE JEWISH STATE, TO BE A    
THE FULL RIGHT AND PRIVILEGE    
OF THE JEWISH STATE, TO BE A    
THRIVING JEWISH STATE THERE,    
OF THE JEWISH STATE, TO BE A    
THRIVING JEWISH STATE THERE,    
IT SHOULD NOT BE TO THE         
THRIVING JEWISH STATE THERE,    
IT SHOULD NOT BE TO THE         
EXCLUSION OF OTHER PEOPLE.      
IT SHOULD NOT BE TO THE         
EXCLUSION OF OTHER PEOPLE.      
>> DO YOU FIND YOU CAN HAVE     
EXCLUSION OF OTHER PEOPLE.      
>> DO YOU FIND YOU CAN HAVE     
THAT CONVERSATION, FIRST OF     
>> DO YOU FIND YOU CAN HAVE     
THAT CONVERSATION, FIRST OF     
ALL, WITH OTHER JEWS AND CAN    
THAT CONVERSATION, FIRST OF     
ALL, WITH OTHER JEWS AND CAN    
YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION      
ALL, WITH OTHER JEWS AND CAN    
YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION      
WITH MUSLIMS IN A               
YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION      
WITH MUSLIMS IN A               
CONSTRUCTIVE WAY, WHERE         
WITH MUSLIMS IN A               
CONSTRUCTIVE WAY, WHERE         
ANYTHING POSITIVE COMES OUT     
CONSTRUCTIVE WAY, WHERE         
ANYTHING POSITIVE COMES OUT     
OF IT, ASIDE FROM YOU BOTH      
ANYTHING POSITIVE COMES OUT     
OF IT, ASIDE FROM YOU BOTH      
ASSERTING YOUR POINTS OF        
OF IT, ASIDE FROM YOU BOTH      
ASSERTING YOUR POINTS OF        
VIEW?                           
ASSERTING YOUR POINTS OF        
VIEW?                           
>> SOMETIMES I CAN HAVE A       
VIEW?                           
>> SOMETIMES I CAN HAVE A       
MORE EFFECTIVE END TO THAT      
>> SOMETIMES I CAN HAVE A       
MORE EFFECTIVE END TO THAT      
CONVERSATION ON THE ISLAMIC     
MORE EFFECTIVE END TO THAT      
CONVERSATION ON THE ISLAMIC     
SIDE THAN IN SOME CASES IN      
CONVERSATION ON THE ISLAMIC     
SIDE THAN IN SOME CASES IN      
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.           
SIDE THAN IN SOME CASES IN      
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.           
I THINK, YES, WE ARE READY      
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.           
I THINK, YES, WE ARE READY      
FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS.          
I THINK, YES, WE ARE READY      
FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS.          
THOSE ARE HARD, HARD            
FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS.          
THOSE ARE HARD, HARD            
DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAVE TO      
THOSE ARE HARD, HARD            
DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAVE TO      
GET PAST TALKING AT EACH        
DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAVE TO      
GET PAST TALKING AT EACH        
OTHER AND TALKING ABOUT AND     
GET PAST TALKING AT EACH        
OTHER AND TALKING ABOUT AND     
WITH EACH OTHER ON HOW TO       
OTHER AND TALKING ABOUT AND     
WITH EACH OTHER ON HOW TO       
COME TO CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE    
WITH EACH OTHER ON HOW TO       
COME TO CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE    
SPIRITUAL, BENEFICIAL AND       
COME TO CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE    
SPIRITUAL, BENEFICIAL AND       
APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYBODY.      
SPIRITUAL, BENEFICIAL AND       
APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYBODY.      
>> IMAM, SAME QUESTION FOR      
APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYBODY.      
>> IMAM, SAME QUESTION FOR      
YOU, WHAT ARE THE HARD          
>> IMAM, SAME QUESTION FOR      
YOU, WHAT ARE THE HARD          
CONVERSATIONS?                  
YOU, WHAT ARE THE HARD          
CONVERSATIONS?                  
>> MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS,   
CONVERSATIONS?                  
>> MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS,   
AMERICANS OF ALL FAITHS HAVE    
>> MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS,   
AMERICANS OF ALL FAITHS HAVE    
IDEALS, AND THEY BELIEVE VERY   
AMERICANS OF ALL FAITHS HAVE    
IDEALS, AND THEY BELIEVE VERY   
OFTEN THAT THEY HAVE IDEALS     
IDEALS, AND THEY BELIEVE VERY   
OFTEN THAT THEY HAVE IDEALS     
WHICH ARE VALUABLE AND THAT     
OFTEN THAT THEY HAVE IDEALS     
WHICH ARE VALUABLE AND THAT     
SHOULD BE SHARED, AND THEY      
WHICH ARE VALUABLE AND THAT     
SHOULD BE SHARED, AND THEY      
SOMETIMES REACH OTHERS WHO      
SHOULD BE SHARED, AND THEY      
SOMETIMES REACH OTHERS WHO      
OPPOSE OTHERS' VIEWPOINTS.      
SOMETIMES REACH OTHERS WHO      
OPPOSE OTHERS' VIEWPOINTS.      
BUT WE HAVE THIS IDEA THAT WE   
OPPOSE OTHERS' VIEWPOINTS.      
BUT WE HAVE THIS IDEA THAT WE   
CAN USE VIOLENCE TO ELIMINATE   
BUT WE HAVE THIS IDEA THAT WE   
CAN USE VIOLENCE TO ELIMINATE   
OPPOSITION TO OUR IDEAL, SO     
CAN USE VIOLENCE TO ELIMINATE   
OPPOSITION TO OUR IDEAL, SO     
TO JUSTIFY THAT, WE MIGHT USE   
OPPOSITION TO OUR IDEAL, SO     
TO JUSTIFY THAT, WE MIGHT USE   
VIOLENCE IN THE NAME OF         
TO JUSTIFY THAT, WE MIGHT USE   
VIOLENCE IN THE NAME OF         
DEMOCRACY OR CAPITALISM OR IN   
VIOLENCE IN THE NAME OF         
DEMOCRACY OR CAPITALISM OR IN   
THE NAME OF ISLAM OR ANY        
DEMOCRACY OR CAPITALISM OR IN   
THE NAME OF ISLAM OR ANY        
OTHER RELIGION.                 
THE NAME OF ISLAM OR ANY        
OTHER RELIGION.                 
AND THAT IS A COMMON PROBLEM    
OTHER RELIGION.                 
AND THAT IS A COMMON PROBLEM    
OF HUMANITY, WHERE WE HAVE      
AND THAT IS A COMMON PROBLEM    
OF HUMANITY, WHERE WE HAVE      
TODAY BUDDHISTS, MONKS,         
OF HUMANITY, WHERE WE HAVE      
TODAY BUDDHISTS, MONKS,         
LEADING MASSACRES OF MUSLIM     
TODAY BUDDHISTS, MONKS,         
LEADING MASSACRES OF MUSLIM     
CIVILIANS.                      
LEADING MASSACRES OF MUSLIM     
CIVILIANS.                      
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK       
CIVILIANS.                      
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK       
ABOUT TERRORISM IN THE NAME     
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK       
ABOUT TERRORISM IN THE NAME     
OF ISLAM, WHICH IS ALL OVER     
ABOUT TERRORISM IN THE NAME     
OF ISLAM, WHICH IS ALL OVER     
THE MEDIA.                      
OF ISLAM, WHICH IS ALL OVER     
THE MEDIA.                      
SO THE REAL QUESTION, THE       
THE MEDIA.                      
SO THE REAL QUESTION, THE       
REAL HARD TOPIC, IS WHY WE      
SO THE REAL QUESTION, THE       
REAL HARD TOPIC, IS WHY WE      
STILL ARE CONVINCED THAT        
REAL HARD TOPIC, IS WHY WE      
STILL ARE CONVINCED THAT        
VIOLENCE IS GOING TO SOLVE      
STILL ARE CONVINCED THAT        
VIOLENCE IS GOING TO SOLVE      
OUR PROBLEMS ON THIS PLANET.    
VIOLENCE IS GOING TO SOLVE      
OUR PROBLEMS ON THIS PLANET.    
AND THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT ALL   
OUR PROBLEMS ON THIS PLANET.    
AND THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT ALL   
OF US SHARE AND THAT NONE OF    
AND THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT ALL   
OF US SHARE AND THAT NONE OF    
US ARE FREE FROM OR INNOCENT    
OF US SHARE AND THAT NONE OF    
US ARE FREE FROM OR INNOCENT    
OF.                             
US ARE FREE FROM OR INNOCENT    
OF.                             
>> LAST THING I WANT TO ASK     
OF.                             
>> LAST THING I WANT TO ASK     
YOU, THE THREE OF YOU,          
>> LAST THING I WANT TO ASK     
YOU, THE THREE OF YOU,          
GETTING ALONG WITH ONE          
YOU, THE THREE OF YOU,          
GETTING ALONG WITH ONE          
ANOTHER, YOU ARE ROLE MODELS    
GETTING ALONG WITH ONE          
ANOTHER, YOU ARE ROLE MODELS    
OUT THERE, BUT HOW DIFFICULT    
ANOTHER, YOU ARE ROLE MODELS    
OUT THERE, BUT HOW DIFFICULT    
IS IT FOR PEOPLE TO BE YOU?     
OUT THERE, BUT HOW DIFFICULT    
IS IT FOR PEOPLE TO BE YOU?     
ARE YOU SPECIAL GUYS IN         
IS IT FOR PEOPLE TO BE YOU?     
ARE YOU SPECIAL GUYS IN         
HAVING FIGURED THIS OUT?        
ARE YOU SPECIAL GUYS IN         
HAVING FIGURED THIS OUT?        
DID YOU HAVE TO WORK AT THIS?   
HAVING FIGURED THIS OUT?        
DID YOU HAVE TO WORK AT THIS?   
DID YOU MAKE A DECISION TO DO   
DID YOU HAVE TO WORK AT THIS?   
DID YOU MAKE A DECISION TO DO   
THIS?                           
DID YOU MAKE A DECISION TO DO   
THIS?                           
OR TO JUST -- DID IT KIND OF    
THIS?                           
OR TO JUST -- DID IT KIND OF    
COME UP NATURALLY?              
OR TO JUST -- DID IT KIND OF    
COME UP NATURALLY?              
>> IT CAME UP NATURALLY.        
COME UP NATURALLY?              
>> IT CAME UP NATURALLY.        
I WILL SAY THAT WE -- I THINK   
>> IT CAME UP NATURALLY.        
I WILL SAY THAT WE -- I THINK   
EACH OF US HAD TO HAVE A        
I WILL SAY THAT WE -- I THINK   
EACH OF US HAD TO HAVE A        
CERTAIN COMFORT LEVEL TO EVEN   
EACH OF US HAD TO HAVE A        
CERTAIN COMFORT LEVEL TO EVEN   
GET TOGETHER WITH ONE ANOTHER   
CERTAIN COMFORT LEVEL TO EVEN   
GET TOGETHER WITH ONE ANOTHER   
IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT ONCE    
GET TOGETHER WITH ONE ANOTHER   
IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT ONCE    
WE GOT TOGETHER, WE             
IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT ONCE    
WE GOT TOGETHER, WE             
DISCOVERED THAT WE CARED        
WE GOT TOGETHER, WE             
DISCOVERED THAT WE CARED        
ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, WE        
DISCOVERED THAT WE CARED        
ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, WE        
DISCOVERED THAT OUR FAITH HAD   
ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, WE        
DISCOVERED THAT OUR FAITH HAD   
REALLY BROUGHT US TOGETHER,     
DISCOVERED THAT OUR FAITH HAD   
REALLY BROUGHT US TOGETHER,     
AND THEN WE FOUND THAT WE       
REALLY BROUGHT US TOGETHER,     
AND THEN WE FOUND THAT WE       
LIKED EACH OTHER.               
AND THEN WE FOUND THAT WE       
LIKED EACH OTHER.               
>> SO IT CAN WORK.              
LIKED EACH OTHER.               
>> SO IT CAN WORK.              
IT CAN WORK.                    
>> SO IT CAN WORK.              
IT CAN WORK.                    
>> I'VE MET THOUSANDS OF        
IT CAN WORK.                    
>> I'VE MET THOUSANDS OF        
PEOPLE, CHRISTIANS AND          
>> I'VE MET THOUSANDS OF        
PEOPLE, CHRISTIANS AND          
ESPECIALLY -- JEWS AND PEOPLE   
PEOPLE, CHRISTIANS AND          
ESPECIALLY -- JEWS AND PEOPLE   
OF OTHER FAITH AND NO FAITH     
ESPECIALLY -- JEWS AND PEOPLE   
OF OTHER FAITH AND NO FAITH     
WHO HAVE COME TO OUR MOSQUE     
OF OTHER FAITH AND NO FAITH     
WHO HAVE COME TO OUR MOSQUE     
OR WHO INVITE US TO COME AND    
WHO HAVE COME TO OUR MOSQUE     
OR WHO INVITE US TO COME AND    
SPEAK TO THEIR PLACE OF         
OR WHO INVITE US TO COME AND    
SPEAK TO THEIR PLACE OF         
WORSHIP OR THEIR SCHOOLS OR     
SPEAK TO THEIR PLACE OF         
WORSHIP OR THEIR SCHOOLS OR     
OTHER FORUMS, AND I HAVE MET    
WORSHIP OR THEIR SCHOOLS OR     
OTHER FORUMS, AND I HAVE MET    
PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T VERY NICE,   
OTHER FORUMS, AND I HAVE MET    
PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T VERY NICE,   
AND I'VE MET MUSLIMS I DIDN'T   
PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T VERY NICE,   
AND I'VE MET MUSLIMS I DIDN'T   
LIKE VERY MUCH, BUT OVERALL,    
AND I'VE MET MUSLIMS I DIDN'T   
LIKE VERY MUCH, BUT OVERALL,    
MOST PEOPLE ARE POLITE AND      
LIKE VERY MUCH, BUT OVERALL,    
MOST PEOPLE ARE POLITE AND      
NICE AND IF YOU CAN GET OVER    
MOST PEOPLE ARE POLITE AND      
NICE AND IF YOU CAN GET OVER    
DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AND      
NICE AND IF YOU CAN GET OVER    
DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AND      
LOOK IT TO THE PEOPLE AS        
DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AND      
LOOK IT TO THE PEOPLE AS        
HUMANS, YOU WILL USUALLY FIND   
LOOK IT TO THE PEOPLE AS        
HUMANS, YOU WILL USUALLY FIND   
A GOOD RESULT IN THE END AND    
HUMANS, YOU WILL USUALLY FIND   
A GOOD RESULT IN THE END AND    
THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE, AND I     
A GOOD RESULT IN THE END AND    
THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE, AND I     
KEEP MY FAITH IN HUMANITY AS    
THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE, AND I     
KEEP MY FAITH IN HUMANITY AS    
A WHOLE.                        
KEEP MY FAITH IN HUMANITY AS    
A WHOLE.                        
>> I WANT TO THANK THE THREE    
A WHOLE.                        
>> I WANT TO THANK THE THREE    
OF YOU FOR TAKING TIME WITH     
>> I WANT TO THANK THE THREE    
OF YOU FOR TAKING TIME WITH     
US AND WE WANT TO THANK THE     
OF YOU FOR TAKING TIME WITH     
US AND WE WANT TO THANK THE     
RICHMOND FORUM FOR BRINGING     
US AND WE WANT TO THANK THE     
RICHMOND FORUM FOR BRINGING     
FOURTH CONVERSATION TO YOU      
RICHMOND FORUM FOR BRINGING     
FOURTH CONVERSATION TO YOU      
AND ALSO THIS CONVERSATION.     
FOURTH CONVERSATION TO YOU      
AND ALSO THIS CONVERSATION.     
I'M JOHN DONVAN, THANK YOU      
AND ALSO THIS CONVERSATION.     
I'M JOHN DONVAN, THANK YOU      
VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.       
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