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>> Martha: ARE PRETTY SHOCKING
POLE IN
"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" TODAY
THAT’S HAS A MAJORITY OF
AMERICANS, 56% SAY THAT THE
UNITED STATES IS A RACIST
SOCIETY.
ONLY 40% BELIEVE THE OPPOSITE
SO, HOW DID WE GET HERE?
THAT’S HOW WE START TONIGHT WITH
BEN SHAPIRO, EDITOR IN CHIEF OF
"THE DailyWire.com" AND THE
BOOK OUT TODAY, "HOW TO DESTROY
AMERICA IN THREE EASY STEPS.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
SO WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT
NUMBER COMES WHEN YOU SEE THAT
56%, WE BELIEVE THAT AMERICA IS
AN OVERALL RACIST SOCIETY, NOT
THAT THERE IS RACISM THAT EXISTS
IN THE COUNTRY BUT THAT THE
OVERALL SOCIETY IS RACIST?
>> IS SHOCKING AND DEVASTATING
BECAUSE EITHER THE MAJORITY OF
AMERICANS BELIEVE THAT THEIR
FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS
ARE ACTUALLY RACIST OR THEY
BELIEVE THAT THE INSTITUTIONS OF
AMERICAN SOCIETY ARE SO DEEPLY
CORRUPT AND SYSTEMATICALLY
RACIST THAT THEY HAVE TO BE
RAISED TO THE GROUND.
AND OF COURSE THAT’S THE
ARGUMENT OF THE FOLKS OVER AT
THE 1619 PROJECT WHICH WAS THAT
AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED ON
LIBERTY AND FREEDOM BUT INSTEAD
ON SLAVERY AND BIGOTRY.
WHAT WE BELIEVE IS
SYSTEMATICALLY RACIST, IS
COMPLETE DISTRUST OF THE SYSTEM.
THEY SAY ANTIRACISM IS TEARING
DOWN THE SYSTEM FROM WITHIN.
>> YOU CAN SEE HOW THESE IDEAS
TAKE HOLD.
THEY ARE SORT OF HAMMERED OVER
AND OVER AND I THINK IN SOME
WAYS PEOPLE ARE INDOCTRINATED
BEYOND WHAT THE DATA MAY TELL
THEM OR THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING.
AMERICA MIGHT TELL THEM, ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT WE’VE SEEN IS AN
INCREASE IN THE ACCEPTANCE OF
BLACK LIVES MATTER.
I ALWAYS SAY THERE’S A LOT OF
DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT BLACK
LIVES MATTER.
FOR SOME KIDS, WE HAVE A T-SHIRT
OR A SIGN AND THEY ARE LOOKING
FOR EQUALITY AND UNITY IN THE
COUNTRY THAT THE ROOTS OF IT AS
WE WELL KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO
FOUNDED IT ARE MARXIST.
YOU’VE ALSO GOT AN INCREASE IN
PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY THINK IT’S
ACCEPTABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE
FOR ATHLETES TO KNEEL FOR THE
NATIONAL ANTHEM, WHAT DO YOU
THINK?
>> I WONDER HOW MUCH OF THIS IS
A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CULTURAL
PRESSURE TO CAVE TO A CLOSE
CULTURAL PUSH BY AMERICA.
YOU CAN SAY YOU ARE ALL IN FAVOR
OF PEOPLE MILLING FOR THE
NATIONAL ANTHEM BUT YOU WILL GET
CANCELED IF YOU SAY THE
OPPOSITE.
THE FACT IS I DON’T KNOW THAT I
BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF
AMERICANS BELIEVE THIS, I THINK
IT’S OBVIOUSLY REALLY BAD FOR
THE NATION OF THE COUNTRY.
WHAT WE ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOW
IS THE AMERICAN PHILOSOPHY BEING
REDUCED TO RACISM AND BIGOTRY OR
SING THE AMERICAN CULTURE
REDUCED TO REINSTALLATION OF
HIERARCHIES OF POWER.
OR WE ARE WATCHING AMERICAN
HISTORY BE REDUCED TO
EXPLOITATION OF REALITY.
HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED STAY
TOGETHER IN THAT REALITY WHEN
THERE IS HATRED OF THE SYSTEM?
>> Martha: SO THERE IS THE
BASIC PRINCIPLES OF WHICH THE
COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON, AND
PEOPLE DON’T HAVE A CLEAR
PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THOSE THINGS
ARE IN TERMS OF THE ACHIEVEMENTS
AGAINST COMMUNISM, AS YOU HAVE
TALKED ABOUT.
THE OTHER SIDE IS THIS
DISINTEGRATION IS THAT WHICH IS
BASICALLY A REBELLION THAT
INSISTS ON TEARING ALL OF THE
STRUCTURES DOWN, RIGHT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
THE BASIC IDEA IS THAT THE
AMERICAN SYSTEM BECAUSE IT
RESULTS IN INEQUALITY HAS TO BE
TO TORN DOWN AND SOMETHING NEW,
AND ALL EVILS AND ALL SINS CAN
BE ATTRIBUTIVE TO THE SYSTEM.
WE HAVE SEEN THIS SORT OF
UTOPIANISM BEFORE AND ALL
SOCIETIES AND HAS NOT
PARTICULARLY WELL.
IN FACT, IN THE HISTORY OF THE
WORLD ON BEHALF OF A SORT OF
UTOPIAN VISION IS NOT ONLY
BIZARRE AT THIS POINT IN TIME,
IT’S PRETTY TERRIFYING AND
PRETTY TERRIBLE.
THE FACT THAT SO MANY AMERICANS
HAVE GONE ALONG TO GET ALONG IS
A TRAGEDY.
IT’S A FAILURE OF OUR
EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM AND A FAILURE
OF OUR CONSERVATIVES TO GET
INVOLVED IN THE CULTURAL FIGHT,
AND REPUBLICANS ARE GOOD AT
ELECTING REPUBLICANS BUT
CULTURAL BATTLES AND THAT’S A
HUGE PROBLEM.
TO WIN THAT BATTLE YOU REALLY
HAVE TO HAVE LEADERS WHO
ARTICULATE THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE TWO THINGS THAT YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT, IN A CLEAR
WAY SO THAT AMERICANS AND VOTERS
CAN SAY I WANT TO GO THAT WAY OR
I WANT TO GO THAT WAY.
YOU LOOK AT THESE POLLS AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S HANDLING OF
RACE RELATIONS, 63% DISAPPROVE.
SO WE ARE FOUR MONTHS NOW FROM
AN ELECTION IN BOTH BIDEN AND
TRUMP WILL TRY TO ARTICULATE A
VISION FROM AMERICA.
HOW DO YOU THINK THEY ARE DOING
ON THAT FRONT?
>> I THINK JOE BIDEN IS
BASICALLY ALIGNING A QUESTION
AND IS FROM A SMART CAMPAIGN
WHERE HE DOESN’T GIVE A LOT OF
HONEST ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS BUT
WHEN IT COMES TO TEARING DOWN
STATUES, HE SAYS KEEP COLUMBUS
AND KEEP WASHINGTON AND
JEFFERSON.
I’D LOVE TO HEAR HIS ANSWER.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DEFENDED THE
STATUES BUT HE’S ALSO TWEETED
ABOUT BUBBA WALLACE FIVE SECONDS
LATER SO THAT’S NOT EXACTLY THE
BEST WAY OF REPRESENTING THE
UNION VIEWPOINT.
THEY BELIEVE IN THE BASIC
PRINCIPLES OF THE DECLARATION OF
INDEPENDENCE, AND THAT LIMITED
GOVERNMENT INSTITUTE, THAT
SOMETHING THAT MOST AMERICANS
BELIEVE IN EQUALITY BEFORE THE
LAW BUT I THINK THERE’S A VERY
POWERFUL PUSH AGAINST THOSE
THINGS UNLESS YOU CLEARLY AND
EFFECTIVELY WHAT THOSE THINGS TO
BE GOOD, THEN YOU WILL LOSE THE
CULTURE.
>> Martha: DO YOU THINK WE
WILL SEE A BIG INCREASE IN THE
HOMESCHOOLING POST COVID?
I WAS NEVER A BIG PROPONENT OF
THAT IDEA BUT THE COMBINATION OF
WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND
HOW LACKING CERTAIN THINGS ARE
IN BEING TAUGHT AND WHAT WE’VE
BEEN THROUGH BUT THIS VIRUS IN
THE WAY SCHOOL BOOKS WHEN WE GO
BACK IF YOU ARE SITTING ON A BOX
ON TOP OF YOUR TABLE, IT’S NOT
REALLY AN ENGAGING EXPERIENCE.
YOU THINK WE WILL SEE A DECLINE
IN HOME SCHOOLING?
>> ABSOLUTELY AND I THINK THE
NEXT STEP IN THAT CULTURAL WILL
BE AN ATTEMPT OF POLITICIANS
TRYING TO SHUT DOWN
