>>> ALL RIGHT.
>>> ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK TO "VELSHI &amp;
WELCOME BACK TO "VELSHI &amp; RUHLE."
RUHLE." A CONSEQUENTIAL DAY IN THE
A CONSEQUENTIAL DAY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM.
UNITED KINGDOM. PRIME MINISTER MAY FIGHTS TO
PRIME MINISTER MAY FIGHTS TO KEEP HER JOB.
KEEP HER JOB. MEMBERS OF THE CONSERVATIVE
MEMBERS OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY ARE VOTING IN A SECRET
PARTY ARE VOTING IN A SECRET BALLOT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR
BALLOT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE
NOT THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE PRIME MINISTER.
PRIME MINISTER. >> IF MAY LOSES THIS VOTE IT
>> IF MAY LOSES THIS VOTE IT COULD TRIGGER A NO-DEAL EXIT
COULD TRIGGER A NO-DEAL EXIT WHEN THE UK LEAVES THE EUROPEAN
WHEN THE UK LEAVES THE EUROPEAN UNION NEXT MARCH POSSIBLY
UNION NEXT MARCH POSSIBLY LEAVING TO A TOTAL BREAKDOWN OF
LEAVING TO A TOTAL BREAKDOWN OF TRADE BETWEEN THE TWO.
TRADE BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT WHAT DOES ALL THAT MEAN?
BUT WHAT DOES ALL THAT MEAN? WHAT IS THE BIG PICTURE HERE AND
WHAT IS THE BIG PICTURE HERE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WHY SHOULD YOU
MOST IMPORTANTLY WHY SHOULD YOU AT HOME CARE?
AT HOME CARE? >> LET’S WALK OVER HERE FOR A
>> LET’S WALK OVER HERE FOR A SENSE OF IT.
SENSE OF IT. THIS NO-CONFIDENCE VOTE IS A
THIS NO-CONFIDENCE VOTE IS A STEP IN THE SHIFT AWAY FROM THE
STEP IN THE SHIFT AWAY FROM THE GLOBAL LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC
GLOBAL LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL ORDER THAT DOMINATED
POLITICAL ORDER THAT DOMINATED SINCE THE END OF WORLD WAR II.
SINCE THE END OF WORLD WAR II. THE SHIFT AWAY FROM GLOBALISM
THE SHIFT AWAY FROM GLOBALISM AND IN SOME CIRCLES IS A
AND IN SOME CIRCLES IS A NEGATIVE TERM AND TO
NEGATIVE TERM AND TO PROTECTIONISM, ISOLATIONISM AND
PROTECTIONISM, ISOLATIONISM AND NATIONALISM, IN THE UNITED
NATIONALISM, IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, CONSERVATIVE PRIME
KINGDOM, CONSERVATIVE PRIME MINISTER MAY IS SQUEEZED FROM
MINISTER MAY IS SQUEEZED FROM ALL SIDES ON BREXIT.
ALL SIDES ON BREXIT. WHICH SHE DIDN’T SUPPORT BUT SHE
WHICH SHE DIDN’T SUPPORT BUT SHE IS IN CHARGE OF IMPLEMENTING.
IS IN CHARGE OF IMPLEMENTING. ON HER LEFT ARE MAINSTREAM
ON HER LEFT ARE MAINSTREAM LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES,
LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES, PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM THAT NEVER
POLITICAL SPECTRUM THAT NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE THE EU.
WANTED TO LEAVE THE EU. THEY WANT TO KEEP THINGS AS IS.
THEY WANT TO KEEP THINGS AS IS. ON THE RIGHT PROTECTIONISTS
ON THE RIGHT PROTECTIONISTS THINKING TRADE ALLIANCES ARE BAD
THINKING TRADE ALLIANCES ARE BAD FOR THE UK AND WANT TO CUT ALL
FOR THE UK AND WANT TO CUT ALL TIES TO EUROPE.
TIES TO EUROPE. AND THEY’RE JOINED BY MANY IN
AND THEY’RE JOINED BY MANY IN THE WORKING CLASS LIBERAL OR
THE WORKING CLASS LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE WHO THINK THINK
CONSERVATIVE WHO THINK THINK TRADE WITH THE EU IS GREAT FOR
TRADE WITH THE EU IS GREAT FOR ELITES BUT BAD FOR WORKERS AND
ELITES BUT BAD FOR WORKERS AND FARMERS.
FARMERS. NOW, THIS IS NOT TOO FAR OFF
NOW, THIS IS NOT TOO FAR OFF FROM THE STRUGGLE FACING MAY’S
FROM THE STRUGGLE FACING MAY’S EUROPEAN COLLEAGUES BICKLIKE MER
EUROPEAN COLLEAGUES BICKLIKE MER AND MACRON.
AND MACRON. IN GERMANY, MERKEL ACKNOWLEDGED
IN GERMANY, MERKEL ACKNOWLEDGED A DECLINE FOR HER PARTY AND
A DECLINE FOR HER PARTY AND ANNOUNCED THE PLANS TO STEP
ANNOUNCED THE PLANS TO STEP DOWN.
DOWN. IN FRANCE, MACRON’S GIVEN IN TO
IN FRANCE, MACRON’S GIVEN IN TO THE
THE MACRON HAS GIVEN SBAINTO THE
MACRON HAS GIVEN SBAINTO THE DEMANDS OF PROTESTERS BUT IT
DEMANDS OF PROTESTERS BUT IT HASN’T ASSUAGED THEM.
HASN’T ASSUAGED THEM. THEY FEEL CHEAT AND LEFT BEHIND
THEY FEEL CHEAT AND LEFT BEHIND BY ONLY MAJOR TRADE DEALS THAT
BY ONLY MAJOR TRADE DEALS THAT ONLY BENEFIT THE RICH.
ONLY BENEFIT THE RICH. ISOLATIONIST POLITICIANS ARE
ISOLATIONIST POLITICIANS ARE SEIZING ON THEIR ANGER AS AN
SEIZING ON THEIR ANGER AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH THEIR
OPPORTUNITY TO PUSH THEIR AGENDA.
AGENDA. IF WESTERN DEMOCRACY IN EUROPE
IF WESTERN DEMOCRACY IN EUROPE IS UNDER FIRE, WHAT DOES THAT
IS UNDER FIRE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR AMERICA?
MEAN FOR AMERICA? THAT’S AN INTERESTING QUESTION
THAT’S AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE ALL OF THESE THINGS WE
BECAUSE ALL OF THESE THINGS WE SAW HAPPENING IN EUROPE BEFORE
SAW HAPPENING IN EUROPE BEFORE WE SAW THEM IN AMERICA.
WE SAW THEM IN AMERICA. BREXIT CAME BEFORE THE ELECTION
BREXIT CAME BEFORE THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP.
OF DONALD TRUMP. >> GREAT POINTS.
>> GREAT POINTS. THEIR ALL CONNECTED.
THEIR ALL CONNECTED. JOINING US IS COLUMNIST AND
JOINING US IS COLUMNIST AND WRITER FOR THE TIMES HUGO RIPKIN
WRITER FOR THE TIMES HUGO RIPKIN AND MATT BRADLY.
AND MATT BRADLY. YOU HAVE A WICKED ANALYSIS OF
YOU HAVE A WICKED ANALYSIS OF BREXIT AND A SUBMARINE MADE OF
BREXIT AND A SUBMARINE MADE OF CHEESE.
CHEESE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT?
CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT? >> NOT REALLY.
>> NOT REALLY. IT WAS JUST AN IDEA I HAD.
IT WAS JUST AN IDEA I HAD. THE PROBLEM WITH BREXIT IS
THE PROBLEM WITH BREXIT IS COMPLETELY IMPRACTICAL AND
COMPLETELY IMPRACTICAL AND TERESA MAY IS UNDER ATTACK FOR
TERESA MAY IS UNDER ATTACK FOR DOING THIS IMPRACTICAL THING.
DOING THIS IMPRACTICAL THING. IT’S NOT GOING TO WORK.
IT’S NOT GOING TO WORK. IT’S A BAD IDEA.
IT’S A BAD IDEA. YOU CAN DO IT WELL OR BADLY, BUT
YOU CAN DO IT WELL OR BADLY, BUT IT’S STILL A BAD THING.
IT’S STILL A BAD THING. >> ULTIMATELY, IT’S A SUBMARINE
>> ULTIMATELY, IT’S A SUBMARINE MADE OF CHEESE.
MADE OF CHEESE. SHE’S TRYING TO MAKE IT A LESS
SHE’S TRYING TO MAKE IT A LESS CHEESY SUBMARINE.
CHEESY SUBMARINE. THAT’S THE PROBLEM.
THAT’S THE PROBLEM. SHE DIDN’T BELIEVE IN BREXIT IN
SHE DIDN’T BELIEVE IN BREXIT IN FIRST PLACE AND TRYING TO
FIRST PLACE AND TRYING TO MODERATE THIS EXIT FROM THE
MODERATE THIS EXIT FROM THE EUROPEAN UNION ON MARCH 29th AND
EUROPEAN UNION ON MARCH 29th AND SHE CAN’T SEEM TO CUT A DEAL
SHE CAN’T SEEM TO CUT A DEAL THAT GETS BROAD SUPPORT.
THAT GETS BROAD SUPPORT. >> THAT’S THE BEST THING THAT
>> THAT’S THE BEST THING THAT SHE HAS GOING FOR HER RIGHT NOW.
SHE HAS GOING FOR HER RIGHT NOW. SHE CAN TURN AROUND AND SAY NO
SHE CAN TURN AROUND AND SAY NO ONE ELSE WILL BE ABLE TO DO
ONE ELSE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
THIS. THIS IS A SUBMARINE MADE OF
THIS IS A SUBMARINE MADE OF CHEESE.
CHEESE. TRY PILOTING THAT.
TRY PILOTING THAT. YOU’RE GOING TO FAIL.
YOU’RE GOING TO FAIL. NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE
NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THIS AGREEMENT AND NAVIGATE
THIS AGREEMENT AND NAVIGATE THESE WATERS BETWEEN ALL THESE
THESE WATERS BETWEEN ALL THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO NONE OF
DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO NONE OF THEM REALLY WANTED BREXIT TO
THEM REALLY WANTED BREXIT TO BEGIN WITH.
BEGIN WITH. IT’S ALL OF THESE PEOPLE TRYING
IT’S ALL OF THESE PEOPLE TRYING TO RELUCTANTLY BRING ABOUT A
TO RELUCTANTLY BRING ABOUT A DEAL.
DEAL. ONE OF THEM WANTED AND THEY ALL
ONE OF THEM WANTED AND THEY ALL BELIEVED THE COUNTRY COUNTRY
BELIEVED THE COUNTRY COUNTRY WANT.
WANT. IN BRITAIN, A LOT OF PEOPLE
IN BRITAIN, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
THINK ABOUT IMMIGRATION. >> GOOD POINT.
>> GOOD POINT. WE OFTEN LOOK AT IT THROUGH A
WE OFTEN LOOK AT IT THROUGH A LENS OF ECONOMIC DEGREE.
LENS OF ECONOMIC DEGREE. A LOT OF IMMIGRATION ISSUES TO
A LOT OF IMMIGRATION ISSUES TO DO WITH ECONOMICS.
DO WITH ECONOMICS. HOW DO YOU THINK -- HOW SHOULD
HOW DO YOU THINK -- HOW SHOULD THE UK BE LOOK AT THIS?
THE UK BE LOOK AT THIS? >> WELL, YOU’RE RIGHT AT THE
>> WELL, YOU’RE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING SUGGESTING THAT BREXIT
BEGINNING SUGGESTING THAT BREXIT WAS A PROTECTIONIST MOVEMENT IS
WAS A PROTECTIONIST MOVEMENT IS NOT QUITE RIGHT.
NOT QUITE RIGHT. A LOT OF PEOPLE SUPPORTED BREXIT
A LOT OF PEOPLE SUPPORTED BREXIT MIGHT HAVE PROTECTIONIST
MIGHT HAVE PROTECTIONIST LEANINGS BUT THEY ARE LARGELY
LEANINGS BUT THEY ARE LARGELY MORE FREE TRADE THAN THE EU.
MORE FREE TRADE THAN THE EU. THAT’S THEIR PROBLEM WITH THE
THAT’S THEIR PROBLEM WITH THE EU.
EU. FOR THE UK, THE CHALLENGE IS DO
FOR THE UK, THE CHALLENGE IS DO WE DO THIS THING.?
WE DO THIS THING.? DO WE DO THIS?
DO WE DO THIS? 52% VOTED FOR IT BUT THERE SEEMS
52% VOTED FOR IT BUT THERE SEEMS NO WAY FORWARD TO DO IT AND A
NO WAY FORWARD TO DO IT AND A LOT OF LACK POLITICAL COURAGE TO
LOT OF LACK POLITICAL COURAGE TO DO IT.
DO IT. >> SOONER OR LATER THE DEBATE
>> SOONER OR LATER THE DEBATE HAS GOT TO BE REOPENED WITH THE
HAS GOT TO BE REOPENED WITH THE PUBLIC.
PUBLIC. WHETHER THAT HAPPENS IN AN
WHETHER THAT HAPPENS IN AN ELECTION OR ANOTHER REFERENDUM,
ELECTION OR ANOTHER REFERENDUM, I HAVE NO IDEA.
I HAVE NO IDEA. >> THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
>> THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED BREXIT NOT BECAUSE
SUPPORTED BREXIT NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE ANTI-TRADE.
THEY ARE ANTI-TRADE. THEY DON’T LIKE THE REGULATIONS
THEY DON’T LIKE THE REGULATIONS AND THE CON STRANTSTRAINTS THAT
AND THE CON STRANTSTRAINTS THAT BELIEVE PART OF BEING THE EU
BELIEVE PART OF BEING THE EU IMPOSED UPON BRITS.
IMPOSED UPON BRITS. >> AS I’M SURE IN WAY YOU SEE IN
>> AS I’M SURE IN WAY YOU SEE IN AMERICA AS WELL.
AMERICA AS WELL. THERE’S A BIG DI VIEGS BETWEEN
THERE’S A BIG DI VIEGS BETWEEN THE POLITICIANS WHO ARE DRIVING
THE POLITICIANS WHO ARE DRIVING BREXIT A AND THE PEOPLE WHO
BREXIT A AND THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR IT.
VOTED FOR IT. THEY WANT TO BRING BACK INDUSTRY
THEY WANT TO BRING BACK INDUSTRY AND REKRAKT INDUSTRY IN THE
AND REKRAKT INDUSTRY IN THE NORTH.
NORTH. THE PROJECT WAS DRIVEN BY FREE
THE PROJECT WAS DRIVEN BY FREE TRADE.
TRADE. PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO
PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO INTERNATIONALIZE.
INTERNATIONALIZE. >> TO HUGO’S POINT, IT ONLY
>> TO HUGO’S POINT, IT ONLY UNDERSCORES THE IDEA THERE’S SO
UNDERSCORES THE IDEA THERE’S SO MANY PARTIES ON EITHER SIDE OF
MANY PARTIES ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS THING.
THIS THING. WHAT DOES THIS END UP LOOKING
WHAT DOES THIS END UP LOOKING LIKE TO YOU?
LIKE TO YOU? ON MARCH 29th THERE’S SOME DEAL
ON MARCH 29th THERE’S SOME DEAL OR DOES BRITISH TRADE END?
OR DOES BRITISH TRADE END? >> IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE NEXT
>> IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.
COUPLE OF DAYS. TERESA MAY GETS REJECTED BY HER
TERESA MAY GETS REJECTED BY HER OWN POLITICAL PARTY THEN WE’LL
OWN POLITICAL PARTY THEN WE’LL HAVE TO HAVE A NEW PRIME
HAVE TO HAVE A NEW PRIME MINISTER.
MINISTER. THAT COULD TAKE WEEKS OR MONTHS
THAT COULD TAKE WEEKS OR MONTHS TO COME UP WITH.
TO COME UP WITH. BY MARCH 29th, BRITAIN WILL LEAD
BY MARCH 29th, BRITAIN WILL LEAD THE EU REGARDLESS OF WHAT
THE EU REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS.
HAPPENS. IF THEY DO IT WITHOUT A DEAL
IF THEY DO IT WITHOUT A DEAL THAT WOULD BE A HARD BREXIT.
THAT WOULD BE A HARD BREXIT. THAT MEANS JUST CASTING BRITAIN
THAT MEANS JUST CASTING BRITAIN OUT
OUT OUT.
OUT. >> THAT DOESN’T -- IF YOU’RE A
>> THAT DOESN’T -- IF YOU’RE A FREE TRADER, THAT DOESN’T HELP
