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I'm Jess Ghannam. 
- And this is Jamal Dajani.
We have quite an interesting show today. We're
gonna be doing a live interview with Jamal
on the East Coast right now. Jamal is actually
in Boston, Massachusetts. But through the
fantastic elements of technology and everything
we're able to do the whole show, and we're
also live streaming on Facebook
Live at jamaldajani2, as well as we're going
full steam ahead in the studio here live in
San Francisco. Well, Jamal, we might as well
jump right into it. We definitely don't have
enough time today to cover  the breaking
news that's happening within the last 24 hours.
I'm just going to give the highlights, and
then we're gonna dive in. Breaking news number
one, Benjamin Netanyahu, indicted today by
the Attorney General, the Israeli attorney
general for basically bribery and corruption.
Item number two. Mike Pompeo, Secretary of
State for the United States, has reversed
40 years of American foreign policy and
decades of international human law and basically
made it US foreign policy that
illegal Israeli settlements are
no longer considered illegal by American standards.
Third item, the Israeli military has been
doing bombing raids inside Syria right
now and violating basically the sovereignty
of another country. And then the fourth item,
which is kind of wrapped up in the first two is
that Benny Gantz was unable to form a  government
sending the Israeli political establishment
into chaos. Fifth item if we have time, which
I don't think we will, unfortunately, is that
the impeachment probe continues to go full
steam ahead with some very devastating
testimony from witnesses in the last two days.
So, Jamal, I don't know what you think,
but I think we should talk about the settlements
first because that's kind of a huge deal that
hasn't received any attention so far in the
U. S. Media to speak of.
That's right. As you know, on Monday, in a basically surprise
really announcement by Secretary of State
Mike Pompeo that the United States views Israeli
settlements and I'm quoting here, as not inconsistent
with international law, which is totally false,
and we'll talk about that. And, of course,
we should not have been surprised for anyone
who has been following the Trump administration
and its pro-Netanyahu an anti-Palestinian stand
since inception, right? So even though
we were surprised, but the same time, I don't
think people should be surprised, because
every single decision that this administration
has taken has been anti-Palestinian and pro
extremists. Pretty much Lukidnik position
on the Israeli side. Think about it. The
minute Netanyahu--I mean, Trump comes into
office, he starts talking about his deal of
the century. Well, guess what? Now we know
what that deal of the century? It is all
about really ending basically any rights
that Palestinians have, and when it comes
to forming their own state when it comes to
their own civil rights, when it comes to getting
rid off those illegal settlements and by the
way, and I started by saying that this was
totally false. All what you have to do
is just look at the Fourth Geneva
Convention, which basically very clear about
not only the settlements, but also the transfer
of population both ways. Transfering
indigenous populations outside their own land
and also the transfer of other populations,
meaning in time of war, you can not also
transfer your own population to occupied
territory. So the Geneva Convention is very
clear about this. All United Nations agreements
are very clear about this. And yet we are
so used  to the Trump administration
making false statments and listing that one
basically words and saying, Oh, by the way,
everything gets cigarette recession that waas
against the settlement movement is wrong.
And now we're changing there, will of the
game and we were moving the gold posts for
the Palestinians. Like I don't know how many
hopes Palestinians have to jump through, right,
Right. They have any rights under Trump, basically.
And that, well, I think it's also important
to put this in the context of a couple of
things, Jamal, which are very disturbing.
Obviously, one big context is that this this
announcement by Mike Pompeo came in the context
of the impeachment hearings, so it was completely
buried underneath all of the other news that
was going on. So that's number one. Number
two. I think it's important to understand
that this is also occurring at the time when
the Israeli political establishment is in
utter chaos. And it seems to be a move to
prop up Benjamin Netanyahu. Third point. You
know, we've been saying this, Jamal, for,
you know, 20 years now, maybe longer. But
couldn't this, ironically, be a statement
in favor of the one state solution in some
kind of weird, twisted way? Well, I have actually
tweeted almost immediately after that amounts
month. And I've said basically what Pompeo
is doing is advocating for a one state solution,
But under apartheid governance, right? Still
right? Yes. I mean, at the end of the day,
I mean, this is what's going on. Anyways,
you don't You don't have to make that statement.
Israel wants the land, but it doesn't want
the people off the land and on. And if they're
stuck with the Palestinians, they're just
gonna keep them a second and third class citizens
in this country take over control all over
the net and not Grantham and your rights.
And so we do have a de facto one state. You
know, because then and from the Mediterranean
Sea to the Jordan River is 100% under Israeli
control. Let's not kid ourselves, including
Gaza, which is the largest open air prison
for Gaza in this former just a prison and
then the rest. Israel controls the West bag
it controls in all the areas area see included,
which is the largest part of me was married.
It think it controls Jerusalem, east and west.
Euros. That's really nothing is left. A few
Palestinian enc lives under the Palestinian
Authority who are basically working on behalf
of the Israelis to protect these illegal settlers
and just to keep this fast in years under
control. You know, this is what was the frustration.
Yet I think that's right, Jamal. And in another
surprise move, Benjamin Netanyahu, just prior
to his announcement of being indicted, announced
that he may also take steps. Thio annex the
Jordan Valley part of Palestine. So it seems
like Netanyahu is not only wanting to further
alienate the the international community.
Every single Palestinian, every single, you
know, basically person in the Middle East,
every European country being the the world
of nations, he's alienating everyone but one
of only two Arab countries that have a so
called peace deal with him, he's taking steps
to annex the Jordan Valley. In addition, um,
am I missing something? Or is the the the
kind of Zionist fantasies that have been going
on for over 100 years now are trying to be
realized under this political chaos that we're
having here in the United States, as well
as the political chaos among the Israeli establishment?
Well, I think that both Netanyahu Trump are
feeding off each other. They both believe
that that survival is dependent on each other,
is dependent on the, uh for right works both
in Israel and this country or waters both
in this in the United States. In this country,
they are that this is basically their audience,
and Trump has been basically implementing
every single item on the Netanyahu. Isn't
that right? You know the move. Moving the
U. S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and
recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?
That's Netanyahu's agenda. The annexation
off the goal and fines, which we talked about
it. Many finds that's on the Netanyahu agenda.
The legalization of legitimization off the
settlement, the settlers. Basically, that's
on the Netanyahu's Netanyahu's agenda. I believe
that, Rob. Thanks. Bye. Ah, delivering on
the Diablos dreams. He will get the boat's
right here in the United States because he's
counting on the I don't know who I evangelical
Christians or otherwise sure Zionists, Christians
in this country I thinkit's that's also part
of their agenda, right? And then deliver the
vote for him and that. Yeah. So he goes back
and tells the settlers which basically form
his largest block in Israel, saying, Look,
this is what I've been able to achieve with
an extra bowl and heights of an extra Islam.
The West Bank is gonna be a next soon, and
that's what it's keeping him alive. In a way,
it would talk about his indictment and he
got invited, Jess. But also, even with that
insight, you know I did for fraud, corruption,
bribery. Yeah, but I tell you one thing, hey
was indicted on charges of bribery, fraud.
Breach of trust basically goes on demand the
men indictments. But in a way, he won. And
you know why he wants. I don't see how he
won he wants because he managed Get there
get the course to indict him while he is prime
minister. And while he still enjoys a lot
off immunities, I I don't know if that's going
to go very far. Jamal, To be honest with you,
I really think that, um, the idea that this
is gonna benefit Netanyahu in any way is,
uh is a stretch. Only because he was unable
to form a government. Gantz is unable to form
a government. This means that the Israeli
electorate is going through is gonna have
1\/3 election coming up, probably sometime
before the end of the year. At a time when
President Trump is even more weakened. The
idea that Netanyahu benefits in any way of
this net net it seems like the only benefit
that he might get is that Ah, he as a standing
prime minister, cannot go to jail yet. But
you know, we shall see. Write it. I want to
ask you one question about about this. We
had talked last time about Ah, Avigdor Lieberman
may be cutting a deal with Benny Gantz. I
guess that didn't happen. It didn't happen
just and actually going to 1\/3. The election
will be the last resort. So there are several
steps before this. There is, uh uh, actually,
the members of the Knesset can. It worked
for an interim prime minister, which will
be a big loss for not yell because they can
vote for an interim prime minister bending
heavy. An election also netted yellow and
Ganz can reach an agreement toe go back to
before the coalition Government Day were ableto
for before, right s o, they might, you know,
change turns. You know, Danielle staying in
office for two more years. And then Gans came
coming into office. We've seen this scenario
before between Shabbir and Terrace in in Israel,
so they can basically have two years in two
years. And Netanyahu will kind of stay out
of jail. Let's put it this way for another
two years. I think it's also, by the way,
is the first Prime Minister. It is about to
be indicted while serving his. That's right.
You know, if you remember, uh, Olmert, who
was indicted, he was invited after the investigation
started. You're his term. And then he got
indicted after. That's right. I served served
herb. No, that's very service. And that's
what Netanyahu is trying to avoid this leg.
All these all these games I mean, you know,
little, 70 years old, Jess. And he is the
longest serving prime minister in Israel's
history. The longest seven. Yeah, but as I
said, you know, I think that ah, you know,
things air so fluid right now, whatever calculation
Netanyahu made to get to this point at this
time, all bets are gonna be off because things
are very fluid. Avigdor Lieberman, who continues
to be the King maker, will will not do a deal
with Benjamin Netanyahu. The the Israeli populace.
We we have to remember, you know, there's
it's not that they're really divided, but
at the same time, you know, with the bombing
of innocent civilians in Gaza and then now
the bombings in Syria, of refugee camps of
innocent civilians, it looks like 40 plus,
you know, civilians were killed by the Israeli
military going into Syria, you know, breaching
the sovereignty of another country. Um, it
seems like there's a lot of there's a lot
of unease and chaos. As I said, you're gonna
have to give me a sense based on your read
of the Israeli media, whether or not, the
Israelis have an appetite. Historically, they've
have. They do have an appetite for war. But
with a war on the Syrian front with unsteadiness
on the Lebanese front with creating these
difficulties with their so called peace neighbor
in Jordan, as well as the difficulties with
Donald Trump, do you really see this benefiting
Netanyahu? Well, listen anything. But if it's
Netanya to create a distraction. So obviously
we know the recent bombing, an attack on an
assassination targeting members of the Islamic
Jihad, then the attack on Gaza and killing
over 35 people in Gaza. The attack on an attack
on you're a journalist. Recently, we've had
a journalist who was shot in the eye. All
these things play to his favor, and I've actually
posted something about this. And this is something
that's really unique to the Israeli population.
And I said, This is a country. That's where
you can indict a sitting prime minister or
a president because remember also they have
the former president cats Hey, served in jail
for sexual abuse. Yes, yeah, for rape. So
I said, this is a country where you captain
died. A sitting prime minister for bribery
for sexual harassment, for rain for fraud.
You name it, but idealize them at the same
time, right? For killing Palestinians for
ethnic cleansing, for implementing a per fight.
So? So I got a lot of comments from Israelis
about this, and some of the comments actually
were positive. Yeah, it is very true when
it comes to the occupation, the ethnic cleansing
of Palestinians to all the war crimes that
has Bean has been going on for the past seven
years. Most Israelis are willing to bury their
heads in the sand and pretend that they did
not happen, or the extremist ones will forgive
you. That's right. So I give you for off these
crimes, maybe. Then, like I said that indicted
for fraud. But they were not there to challenge
you to say that you know what you were behind
the Bobby off Gaza, which resulted in the
death off. You know, so many Children. Or
you are behind the extrajudicial assassinations
and extra judicial killings or the construction
off illegal settlements. Our the stating off
Palestinian land. They're willing to kind
of look the other way and turn a blind eye.
And this is really amazing. I don't want to
generalize because, of course, there is a
few minority who have bean speaking against
them and siding, you know, and basically standing
behind the Palestinians in their struggle
right there in Israel and right here in the
United States, like number of Jewish force
for peace. But I see it the same way, actually,
the same way it this mirror right here by
organizations like a back and others who are
willing collection about certain things. And
But when it comes to Israel committed war
crimes, they are not willing to take a stand
or they just stared just like you look like
what happened with our own democratic candidates.
What Gazans were slaughtered. More than 30
were slaughter. Then what do you hear from
our democratic political candidates? Were
statements like Israel has a right to defend
itself instead of taking a you know, staffs
humanitarian stance, saying enough with the
killing of the Children they make, They they
just have upped the eight pack sparking points.
That's right. I asked them all. When ever
are they willing to say that Palestinians
have the right to defend themselves or Palestinians
have the right to survive. We're speaking
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Ah, this is Arab talk with Justin. Jamal were
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live. I could see that our listeners on Facebook
live are very engaged, Jamal. You know, um,
I want I want to bring up. There's kind of
a back story here that's really worth talking
about him. And that back story has to do with
your friend Mike Pompeo, the current secretary
of state. Now, Mike Pompeo has been receiving
ah lot of heat from the State Department for
his cowardice and his failure to back up and
to support all of the career diplomats in
the State Department who have put their careers
on the line by calling out the bribery and
the illegality of what Trump did with President
Zelinsky from Ukraine. So you we've been talking
about this every day. He attacks thes career
diplomats. He questions their fidelity to
the United States. He calls them traders all
these horrible things. And so this is our
State Department, rightly or wrongly, you
would expect the head of the State Department,
Mike Pompeo, as the secretary of state to
defend these individuals he has not. He's
become roundly criticized Number two Just
as a footnote. You know that Mike Pompeo has
recently pulled three prominent Republicans
that he plans to resign from the front? Well,
that that's that's what I'm right. And that's
what I'm kind of getting at your mo. That's
exactly the point. He's on his way out of
secretary of State yesterday. Um, Ambassador
Gordon Sunlen basically threw month Mike Pompeo
under the bus along with Vice President Pence
and Mick Mulvaney, and basically said, Hey,
listen, this was not a rogue, uh, you know,
a rogue attack or a rogue effort. Everybody
knew that we were shaking down the president
of the Ukraine, including Mike Pompeo, Mike
Pence and everybody else. So Pompeo's credibility
is sinking faster than then. Anything right
now you're right. He's leaking out balloons
that he wants to get out of being secretary
of state, run for the Senate in Kansas. So
my point to you, Jamal, what better gift to
a pack? What better gift to the money that
a pack has at its disposal and supporters
that it has it its disposal to promote candidates
in the Senate than to give them this gift
of reversing 40 years of U. S policy on the
illegal settlement colonies in Palestine.
I think this was a calculated move on his
part. I think he's on his way out. And this
is his way of saying to a pack, Hey, I'm running
for Senate and I need your help. Well, you're
absolutely right. I just want also to be clear,
that a pack does not directly fund candidates.
Of course, they recommend recommend they recommend
candidates and what they and they find donors,
you know, as we know. Yeah, because that's
something like a pack usually tries to get
defensive. They tried to beat you on this
technicality. We don't write checks. Absolutely.
Don't throw out the jacks, but they direct
the funds through older campaigns and older
promotions and separate Eric people go behind
hour or or, you know, support this candidate.
Yes. I have to say all these people Pompeo
it l etcetera. They are all trying to win.
Their probably points off the backs off Palestinians
in this case to appeal. So the, uh, evangelists
appear toe heel toe. You know certain voters
who want to support Israel and basically get
elected. He for his short, short term. When
he leaves, the damage will be done, even though
I mean, like, I've heard this statement, for
example, talking about how it's not true,
that the red states and he kind of like, skips
presidents. And he goes and says well during
the Reagan administration. Right, What? The
Reagan administration did not question digital
the legitimacy off the settlements and a,
by the way, during the record administration,
we did not have the Oslo accords right front.
If the United States the theatrical Mars,
the P L. O. As the representative of the Palestinian
people. But anyway, hey, somehow Waas cherry
picking right in the moments in history and
saying to mention that, for example, during
the Republican administrations President,
President George W. Bush denied Israel $10
billion in housing long guarantees right,
because right, it's settlement construction
and which indeed illegal. So there was a clear
position not only by you know, not by Democratic
administration, but also by like Republican
administration, including George W. Bush saying
time and time again that seven months are
illegal. Well, that's exactly right, Jamal.
And I think, um, you know, we want way also
want to be an equal opportunity critic because
even after this outrageous change in U. S.
Policy, which flies in the face of international
law and I should say the rest of the world
about these illegal colonies in occupied Palestine,
we have not heard anything from the Democratic
presidential candidates. We've heard nothing
essentially from the Democrats about this.
And isn't it convenient about the timing that
there is this deafening silence? And I would
say, the main people who've been thrown under
the bus during this last 24 hours not Donald
Trump, not Mike Pompeo. But it's really the
Palestinians yet again, who've been thrown
under the bus by the U. S. Government. So
where the so called progressive elements or
any elements in the Democratic Party to come
up and say something that what this administration
has done is is contrary to the interests not
only of this country but to the entire world.
It's been deafening. Silence Waas, Bernie
Sanders and what he said. And sadly, while
he has been always a critic, Thio Benjamin
Netanyahu and he has also said that the billions
of dollars off into Israel, some of that some
of this money should be diverted to to rebuild
Gaza. And, uh, he has been very critical.
You know, about Israel's human rights abuses
and so forth. They're asked, You know, like
Warren remain silent, But everyone else, including
including, by the way, said that is all you
know has the right to defend itself there,
obviously seeing with their own eyes. And
Baden, who served as vice president under
the Obama administration, which, by the way,
Netanyahu humiliated But once but more than
once, including coming to speak in front of
a joint session of Congress. You know, when
he did not invite him and basically stopped
these laws at Obama, do you think he also
stopped his nose at Joe Biden because it was
his VP? Yet again, he just like, succumbs
to the A pack marching, talking points and
therefore on behalf. It's kind of ridiculous.
Yes, and at the same time, one thing you have
to tell you, because I was a meeting in Oakland,
Alameda before I came to Boston here, and
there was a someone reporting on behalf of
a delegation guest at the conference in Southern
California for the Democratic Party and the
Game and spoke and he said, You know these
off color spine waas front and center you
know, part of the discussion off, then against
from the Democratic Party, saying this is
not sense that most the delicates were leading
two words their left, or at least to the set,
that none of them wanted these kind of fright
positions that democratic important, as you
know, this'd issue came up last, can get the
last election 2016 right? Yes, basically,
they just ignored that. The position off this
country, especially the last part of the Democratic
Party, is against occupation, is against apartheid
is against ethnic cleansing. So so Jamaat.
So I'm glad you brought that up because I'm
sorry to say this yet again. But the Democrats
are foolish enough to throw Palestinians in
the issue of Palestine under the bus yet again,
the only thing that this will do is alienate
large segments of the energized Democratic
Party and increase the probability yet again
of someone like Donald Trump or Donald Trump
directly being reelected again. So the Democrats,
Jamal, are shooting themselves in the foot
again. They've just taken yet another steptoe
alienating the large segment of their base.
And I hate to say this, but this is going
to support my prediction that this is going
to increase the chances of Donald Trump being
reelected. Exactly. And this is this is exactly
what happened last time. That's right under
the bus by ignoring the wishes off that you
Democratic movement within the party and moving
toe, you know, they like to use the word to
the centre, which is I don't think it's to
The center is treated to the right, you know,
off the yeah, it's to the right, but that
but that their positions don't satisfy the
thirds off those extremist elements in the
Republican Party order observant. So they're
not going to satisfy them. The frank, that
piece there yet And they disenfranchise the
young people against people with vision again,
they do the same thing again with someone
like working for someone like by them. Yes.
Is that indicted for pushed to resign or what
have you You know, uh, hey would win again.
You will win again. So? So I don't know what
they're gonna get it in their thick skull
that there is a major shift. You have a new
blood you have. They all see you have to see
the play. We have others who are taking a
whole different approach, the whole different
attitude towards the Palestinian Israeli conflict.
People who are you know, you cannot be basically
be a hypocrite and say I wanna, you know,
stand with the people demonstrating in Iran
and sent with the people demonstrating in
Hong Kong. But it's fine to kill Palestinians
when they demonstrate its fine target. Palestinian
journalist in the eye When they were demonstrating
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Jamal, you know, it seems like the Democrats
again have lost their courage. It seems like
it seems like again the Democrats are more
interested in serving the interests of a pack
and a foreign country than serving the interests
of this country but also serving the electorate.
Let's be clear about this, Jamal. It's just
not fringe elements in the Democratic Party
to the left that support Palestine. It's the
majority of Democrats who support Palestinian
dignity, self determination, who know that
the settlements are illegal not just under
international law, but just under general
sense of morality. So, Democrats, if you don't
get your act together, if you don't listen
to what people are saying, if you feel controlled
by APEC yet again this year, you're gonna
lose the presidency yet again. And we're we're
gonna have another four years of craziness
in the White House. Um, Jamal, I think we
should Oh, there's one other thing that was
buried and I think you heard about this, but
I don't know if you didn't There was a piece
that came out in The New York Times talking
about Arab intellectuals finally coming together
and wanting to engage Israel. This came out
to day, Jim. Oh, did you see that article?
I think so. Why don't you? Well, that's kind
of disturbing, Jamal. They there's this interesting
disinformation campaign. A small group of
so called Arab intellectuals who are tired
of boycotting Israel are saying rather than
boycott Israel. Maybe we need to do something
differently and engage with Israel. And I
want you to see if you can guess who was leading
this. It's a very famous name of the person
who was the headliner who was spearheading
this effort. And where do you think the funding
came from? Well, the funding would be easy.
It came from Saudi Arabia. So the funding
for this international conference of Arab
thinkers and what they didn't even call them
intellectuals. Because obviously they're not
Arab thinkers coming together to rethink engagement
with the Israelis. So the money came from,
uh, Saudi Arabia. The headline speaker is
Anwar Sadat. The third, Who is coming out
of the woodwork. Ah, and I'm sure his father
is turning over in his grave right now. But
it was the one of the leads speakers in this
panel of about 20 people. And, by the way,
Jamal included Surprise, surprise, no Palestinians,
um, to lead this reform at you something,
if you ask exemptions. All 90 million of them.
Most of them. They'll tell you they haven't
heard anything from this other works of that,
Gillian. No, but but don't you think it's
interesting all of these things. The timing
of all these things. I mean, it seems like
Saudi Arabia and and and the u A e e r. Of
course, M, B S and M B Z are part of this
concerted effort to to basically support the
ethnic cleansing and the political ethnic
cleansing of Palestinians and the Palestinian
issue by putting on this show and sham panel
discussion and how the BDs movement doesn't
serve Palestinians when in fact we know that
the BDS movement Jamal is unequivocally the
most successful political movement in the
history of Palestinian self determination
and continues in its nonviolent political
struggle like South Africa. Jamal to be the
biggest threat to the Israeli brutality being
engaged against the Palestinians right now.
And yet they want to come out right now, Jamal
in the air world to talk about how they need
to really rethink engagement. So we have to
think the Saudis, we have to think the Emirates,
we have to thank. I'm worsted out the third
who I This is the 1st 1 was the last time
you heard from unroasted at the 30? Yeah,
that's that's kind of my point, But you know,
you know, just not surprised. And actually,
this reminds me off the time after the first
intifada. So whenever Palestinians achieve,
there are certain victories would say minor,
even victories on the international level.
Uh, you know what? The first the father which
waas a grassroots movement. Peaceful people
saying no more to the norm or occupation,
right? We're not going to be your enslaved
by Israel's labor force. We're not gonna report
to work. We're not gonna open our shops and
millions and millions of people across the
globe were watching the Israelis brutalizing
these peaceful demonstrators. They concocted
a plan. And the plan was also this waas. Basically,
it waas this whole, you know? Now, you know,
when we spoke about this, people used to say,
or you being a conspiracy theories. But this
was the whole plan to get rid off basically
peaceful Palestinian march to freedom, right?
By outlasting them and running and bringing
the P l o all the way from 200 to these. Yeah,
when when Israel was supposed to negotiate
with the Palestinians? Yeah, basically on
the land, right about, you know, giving the
brides and wherever So they created this whole
myth about we're gonna have a two state solution.
And now look all those people who are applauding
a two state solution, including the United
States, they're all abandoning it, right?
They're all turning, you know, making up all
kinds of stories not to recognize at the basically
what was in the agreement Say, you know, yes,
Settlements are legal. Now you know what settlements
were like? One of the first items that were
down a za result of the Oslo agreement. So
when Palestinians were, you know, making headway,
those people who who conspired before are
conspiring again. Because now Palestinians
are making headway headways through another
peaceful movement which is modeled after the
bike up off apartheid South Africa, the peaceful.
It's a peaceful movement. Actually, a lot
of people don't understand that. Actually,
BDs it even doesn't take it all the way because
BBS only calls for the bipod off products
from Israeli settle from Israel itself. Initially
met German. Netanyahu himself dismissed the
BDs and that this is just a gimmick and then
later out around and called it an existential
threat. Well, big holding around an existential
threat. This is a term only used for Iran
and so forth on. That's why we're seeing even
legislators in this country illegally violating
the Constitution, trying to draft laws toe
penalize people who support the BDS movement
of it's It's crazy. It is not only that Israel
is going after those people who wanna buy
cut its products, but we have people who have
sworn a loss to the U. S. Constitution to
really they are violating the U. S. Constitution
and the first event, I would say, Yeah, that's
right. So today, so some to me. When you tell
me that trying to create a another think 10
You know what I call it stupid. Okay, I think
it's a stupid yes, but the Palestinians do
tech, and that's what they're doing. Jamal,
I I think I want to formally thank Secretary
of State Pompeo for his support for the one
state solution, something you and I have been
advocating for decades now. It just seems
like the U. S. Foreign policy, which is what
we've been talking about today for those who
joined us. Ah, little late today on Arab Doc.
We're talking about the 40 year reversal United
States policy saying now that the illegal
colonies that ah, colonial outpost that the
Israelis have established an occupied Palestine
basically are no longer illegal. And, um,
of course, this goes against international
law. It goes against the entire world of nations.
It goes against United Nations resolutions
from the Security Council as well as from
the General Assembly. So, Mike Pompeo, you
may go down in history not just as the worst
secretary of state, not just as the most duplicitous
Secretary of State, But you may go down in
history as the secretary of state who facilitated
the march toward the one state solution. Thank
you, Mike Pompeo. You're listening to Arab
talk or gave the whole San Francisco 89.5
FM would also way Wanna thank our viewers
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and who have been loyal every time we are.
They're so Gemma. We only have a few minutes
left. And, um, you know, a lot can happen
in two days in the impeachment hearings, it
seems like Lieutenant Colonel Vin men who
was wth E N S. C. One of the NSC representatives
who was in on the call when President Trump
on July 25th 2019 was shaking down President
Zelinsky of Ukraine. He gave incredible testimony.
We had Ambassador Sunlen. The Hotel IAI from
Portland, Oregon, who basically bought his
way to be the ambassador to the European Union,
gave explosive testimony basically saying,
None of this was a rogue. There was a quid
pro quo. Donald Trump did shake people down.
Everybody knew about it. Trump knew about
Trump directed it. Mike Pence knew about it.
Mike Pompeo knew about it. Mick Mulvaney knew
about it. Everybody knew about it. Rudy Giuliani
was driving this. And yes, there was. The
The Ukrainians had $400 million in military
aid, held up a za way to extort them or to
bribe them into doing something like opening
up a false investigation that has been discredited
on a potential opponent, Joe Biden and his
son, Hunter, in the 2020 Election. I don't
know how much because I know you've been traveling
a lot lately, but really, in the last couple
of days, there has been an extraordinary amount
of information coming out that has not that
has not been here, say, according to the Republicans,
were talking about direct eyewitness accounts
confirming and verifying that this shakedown
this bribery this conditional Ah ah, Conditioning
US foreign aid to the personal interests of
the president. United States, in fact, occurred
Jamal, No, you and I have been maybe struggling
a little bit about whether or not I mean,
I think we both believe that he will be impeached.
I'm still not convinced that he's going to
be removed in the Senate, even after this
explosive eyewitness accounts of the treachery,
basically and bribery that the president of
the United States engaged in. That's right.
But let me I wanna talk a little bit about
Lieutenant Girl. Didn't man okay on attacks
that he was subjected to a number one a ll.
The respect goes to him. I, along with probably
millions of people, believe every single word
that he said apparently conducted himself
with other Hey has served his country and
tow me just I mean, listen, we know there
was a quid pro quo resistant all these different
testimonies. They can right spin it any which
way they make here. But what's disgusting
and I use the word disgusting is how so. Members
off the media, of course their supporters
and politicians who have been attacking the
three of us. Battery it off man trying to
kind of say, Well, because he's a naturalized
U. S citizen born in the former Soviet Union,
that the ad subdue our loyalty. And I'm talking
about you specifically on things that I've
seen on Fox News Ryan other outlets, right
in the segment that ran and in episode off
the anger in Graham Angels Right, which first
aired on October 28 uh, which was broadcast
on the eve off Vetements test them out. But
he was first Depor's and then the transcript
office. The position was released to the public
today, two weeks later, right? I'm courting
here. This is what was said in the air just
then You could see how they have been spending
it, and they this is off this paragraph saying,
Here we have a U. S national security official
who is advising Ukraine while working inside
the white out, apparently against the president's
interest. And usually they spoke in English.
This is conservative, commentator and lawyer
Laura Ingraham said during the broadcast.
90 continues. Isn't that kind off an interesting
angle on this story? Right at that she has
another guest who kind of fix this and said
I found that a style and then some people,
but for that espionage. So So this. I watch
this off this program. You watch this. Really?
You want to watch it? Actually, I didn't watch
it live, but I want it on a, uh YouTube, which
had it. And the people have two people have
to really watch it, and people have to watch
it. You understand what they were trying to
do, but they were trying to do. They were
trying to say that because, you know, his
family came, said the Soviet Union. But we
actually is loyalty, Walter with the United
States. But brother with other party So there
really right to say that he waas, you know
that they have a espionage segment, right?
So I was very happy today to read in the news
that Army Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Whitman
has asked. Fox used to retract and correct
reporting. I think that he has bean on officer
and a gentleman because he's really going
to sue them immediately, not ask them to retract
because this is really disgusting. They're
tarnishing his reputation. Someone who has
served someone with a purple Heart. And I
don't know what else that he received as far
as, uh, awards and so on. But to say that
just because he wasn't born in this country
that he waas a traitor, that's what they would
say. Yeah, I think that's ah, you know, that's
not so, um, veiled anti Semitism or an anti
Semitic attack on Lieutenant Colonel VE Inman.
To which, you know, shouldn't go without saying
this so called idea that somehow there's a
dual loyalty in the Vin Man family. You know,
Lieutenant Colonel ve Inman is a twin. His
brother served in the military. They have
1\/3 brother who also served in the military.
And so this idea of somehow attacking him
for being disloyal, I agree with you completely.
And by the way, one of the witnesses today,
Fiona Hill, who was born in the United Kingdom,
also came out and said that she was disgusted
with the attacks on the on current on Lieutenant
Colonel Inman, challenging somehow his, uh,
his fidelity to this country. His patriotism
because he wasn't born here. It's It's a It's
a pretty vicious, vicious attack. Hey, Jamal.
We gotta Looks like we gotta come to another
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