Well no I just I think they're completely different realms of human activity I can't I mean
Meditation you don't hallucinate you don't
They say you do, but they aren't very convincing and plus the monks
Then rush over and explain that you're doing it wrong
So you know what's the deal?
I think I if if by meditation you main lying down and
Closing your eyes or sitting up and closing your eyes a lot
I do that a lot, and I like it, but I would never confuse it with the psychedelic
enterprise
Pardon me I
It's only my opinion, but I really don't I think that it's that
That all of these spiritual techniques are not
Substitutions
for the psychedelic experience
but trade offs
You know I mean organized religion is is concerned with controlling social groups as organized
politics is and
the the
The visionary or ecstatic experience is unsettling to the religious mentality
You know even among fundamentalist Christians
If you're not one they all seem more or less alike
But if you move into that world you discover that they are very strongly polarized in two directions
Those who are scriptural lists, and those who are experienced
The glossolalia is the speaking in tongues the holy rollers that sort of thing and the scriptural lists are very
uncomfortable around the experience
Because to them it looks like demonic possession, and they get really agitated about that
I'll take ayahuasca with suicide and sit in the worst position for many hours
And it's incredible how they work and after the experience is over the next time
I meditate I feel like I'm still doing this
Yeah, well I think that all of these techniques like mantra Yantra, Tantra
Whatever. They work incredibly well in the presence of psychedelics
Leading me to suppose that what these are are tools that were developed in the Paleolithic world of
psychedelic magic and all we have now are
Are these tools but we don't have the original engine?
That drove them. Yes, I am very bored by spiritual practice unless
I've taken a psychedelic and then you know mantra chanting
is
beyond the power of mind to encompass or describe a sex isn't bad either and
you know
It seems to be a general functional enhancer is what it is. Yeah
Acoustical driving is also a tried-and-true
tradition but see it's not about
the exclusivity of method
But the combination of method I mean what you want to do is beat your drum while?
Sitting in yob young while stoned on X
Well at the holy mountain while the astrological configuration
is correct and
Then you know you you know line it all up, and then push it through that's the way to do it, I think
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