SUPPRESS IT AND CONTROL IT.
THIS IS HAPPENING AS WE REACH IN
THIS COUNTRY A NEW PANDEMIC 
MILESTONE.
CANADA HAS NOW SURPASSED 100,000
CASES OF THE VIRUS.
OF COURSE MANY OF THOSE CASES 
ALREADY RECOVERED, BUT 
SIGNIFICANT NONETHELESS.
ALSO IN THIS CITY TODAY WE ARE 
FOLLOWING THE REACTION FROM THE 
BLOC LEADER, YVES-FRANÇOIS 
BLANCHET.
HE IS CALLING TODAY FOR A 
SINCERE APOLOGY FROM NDP LEADER 
JAGMEET SINGH WHO YESTERDAY, YOU
MIGHT KNOW, CALLED ONE OF THE 
BLOC'S M.P.S A RACIST IN THE THE
HOUSE OF COMMONS YESTERDAY.
THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE TABLE 
BY THE NDP TO LOOK AT SYSTEMIC 
RACISM INSIDE THE RCMP, AS WELL 
AS A SERIES OF OTHER MEASURES.
SINGH SAYS THAT BLOC M.P. ALAN 
THERRIEN NOT ONLY SAID NO TO 
SUPPORTING THE MOTION BUT 
GESTURED IN A DISMISSIVE WAY AT 
WHICH POINT SINGH CALLED 
THERRIEN A RACIST AND HE WAS 
SUBSEQUENTLY EXPELLED FROM THE 
HOUSE OF COMMONS FOR THE REST OF
THE DAY.
HE LATER GAVE A FAIRLY EMOTIONAL
PRESS CONFERENCE TO TALK ABOUT 
WHY HE HAD REACTED IN THAT WAY, 
BUT THEY STILL REMAIN AT ODDS 
OVER WHAT HAPPENED AND WHETHER 
OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE AN 
APOLOGY.
HERE NOW THE PRIME MINISTER OF 
CANADA.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: GOOD 
MORNING, EVERYONE.
I WANT TO START BY 
CONGRATULATING ALL OF THE NEW 
NON-PERMANENT MEMBERS OF THE 
U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR WORK ON
THE FILE.
AS CANADIANS KNOW, WE EMBARKED 
ON THIS JOURNEY FOUR YEARS AGO 
NOW.
WE DECIDED TO THROW OUR HAT IN 
THE RING BECAUSE WE SAW A UNIQUE
OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH OUR 
PARTNERS ACROSS THE U.N., BUILD 
SUSTAINABLE PEACE, AND MAKE REAL
PROGRESS ON ISSUES THAT MATTER.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO 
DO DURING THIS CAMPAIGN.
WE FORGED NEW PARTNERSHIPS.
WE STRENGTHENED EXISTING 
FRIENDSHIPS, AND WE LAID A SOLID
FOUNDATION FOR AN EVEN GREATER 
COLLABORATION IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S NEVER BEEN MORE 
CRITICAL.
NOW MORE THAN EVER GLOBAL 
COOPERATION IS CRUCIAL, NOT ONLY
TO DEFEAT THE VIRUS, BUT TO 
ADDRESS THE GREAT CHALLENGES OF 
OUR TIME, CHALLENGES THAT 
TRANSCEND BORDERS.
GROWING OUR ECONOMIES, 
MITIGATING THE IMPACTS OF 
CLIMATE CHANGE, BUILDING A 
LASTING PEACE, ADVANCING GENDER 
EQUALITY, PROTECTING OUR 
CITIZENS.
WE HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH PARTNERS 
TO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS.
GETTING THIS SEAT WAS NEVER AN 
END IN ITSELF BUT RATHER A MEANS
TO AN END, A MEANS TO ENSURE 
THAT OUR VOICE WAS HEARD AND 
THAT OUR VALUES UPHELD ON THE 
WORLD STAGE.
THE BID WAS CERTAINLY ONE WAY TO
ACHIEVE THIS, BUT IT'S FAR FROM 
THE ONLY WAY.
MOVING FORWARD, CANADIANS CAN 
COUNT ON US TO KEEP WORKING WITH
OUR PARTNERS TO MAKE PROGRESS 
INTERNATIONALLY ON ISSUES THAT 
MATTER TO THEM.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
FIRST OF ALL I'D LIKE TO COMMEND
ALL THE NEW NON-PERMANENT 
MEMBERS OF THE UNITED NATIONS 
SECURITY COUNCIL.
EVEN THOUGH CANADA IS NOT PART 
OF THAT GROUP, I WOULD LIKE TO 
TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT THE 
WORK THAT WE ESTABLISHED IN THAT
AREA.
AS CANADIANS KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN 
WORKING ON THIS FOR FOUR YEARS.
WE DECIDED TO THROW OUR HAT IN 
THE RING BECAUSE WE SAW IT AS A 
UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO 
COLLABORATE WITH OUR PARTNERS IN
THE U.N. AND TO BUILD A 
SUSTAINABLE PEACE AND MAKE 
CONCRETE PROGRESS ON ISSUES THAT
ARE IMPORTANT TO CANADA, AND 
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID 
DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
WE FORGED NEW PARTNERSHIPS, WE 
STRENGTHENED OUR TIES OF 
FRIENDSHIP WITH VARIOUS 
COUNTRIES, AND WE LAID THE 
FOUNDATION FOR GREATER 
COOPERATION IN FUTURE.
AND THAT HAS NEVER BEEN AS 
IMPORTANT AS IT IS NOW.
TODAY, MORE THAN EVER, GLOBAL 
COOPERATION IS CRITICAL, NOT 
ONLY TO DEFEAT THE VIRUS, BUT 
ALSO TO MEET THE MAJOR 
CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME, 
CHALLENGES THAT KNOW NO BORDERS.
WE WILL BE WORKING WITH 
PARTNERS, AND WE MUST IF WE WANT
TO FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE, BRING 
IN SUSTAINABLE PEACE, ADVANCE 
GENDER EQUALITY AND PROTECT OUR 
OWN CITIZENS.
SECURING A SEAT WAS NEVER AN END
IN ITSELF BUT RATHER A WAY OF 
GETTING TO OUR GOALS, A WAY OF 
ENSURING THAT OUR VOICE WOULD BE
HEARD AND OUR VALUES WOULD BE 
UPHELD ON THE GLOBAL STAGE.
SITTING ON THE U.N. SECURITY 
COUNCIL WAS ONE WAY OF DOING 
THAT, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY WAY.
CANADIANS CAN ALWAYS RELY ON US 
TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR 
PARTNERS TO ADVANCE THE ISSUES 
OF IMPORTANCE TO US.
[ End of Interpretation ]
ACROSS THE COUNTRY WE'RE 
STARTING TO REOPEN PARTS OF THE 
ECONOMY, AND THAT'S WELCOME NEWS
FOR EVERYONE, BUT AS WE START 
LOOSENING SOME RESTRICTIONS, WE 
ALSO HAVE TO STRENGTHEN OTHER 
MEASURES SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE 
THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE.
SOME PEOPLE START -- AS SOME 
PEOPLE START HEADING BACK TO 
WORK, TESTING AND CONTACT 
TRACING IS CRUCIAL.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN WORKING 
WITH THE PROVINCES AND 
TERRITORIES TO ENSURE THAT THEY 
HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO 
KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND HEALTHY.
AND TODAY WE'RE TAKING AN 
IMPORTANT STEP FORWARD TOWARD 
CONTAINING THE VIRUS AND SAFELY 
RE-STARTING THE ECONOMY.
LED BY THE CANADIAN DIGITAL 
SERVICE, AND WITH THE HELP OF 
SHOPIFY, BLACKBERRY AND THE 
GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO, WE HAVE 
BEEN WORKING ON A NATIONWIDE 
MOBILE APP THAT WILL NOTIFY 
USERS IF THEY'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO
COVID-19.
WE WILL SOON BEGIN TESTING THIS 
APP IN ONTARIO.
THERE ARE ALREADY A NUMBER OF 
OTHER PROVINCES, INCLUDING B.C.,
WHO ARE WORKING WITH US ON THIS,
BUT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO 
EVERYONE IN THE COMING WEEKS.
PREMIER FORD WILL HAVE MORE TO 
SAY ON HOW THE APP WILL WORK IN 
ONTARIO LATER TODAY, BUT I WANT 
TO THANK HIM AND HIS GOVERNMENT 
FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP AND 
PARTNERSHIP.
NOW I WANT TO STRESS THAT THIS 
APP WILL BE COMPLETELY 
VOLUNTARY.
IT WILL BE UP TO INDIVIDUAL 
CANADIANS TO DECIDE WHETHER TO 
DOWNLOAD THE APP OR NOT, BUT THE
APP WILL BE MOST EFFECTIVE WHEN 
AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE HAVE 
IT.
HERE'S HOW IT'S GONNA WORK.
IF YOU TEST POSITIVE FOR 
COVID-19, A HEALTH CARE 
PROFESSIONAL WILL HELP YOU 
UPLOAD YOUR STATUS ANONYMOUSLY 
TO A NATIONAL NETWORK.
OTHER USERS WHO HAVE THE APP AND
HAVE BEEN IN PROXIMITY TO YOU 
WILL THEN BE ALERTED THAT THEY 
HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO SOMEONE 
WHO'S TESTED POSITIVE.
THE NOTIFICATION WILL ENCOURAGE 
THEM TO REACH OUT TO THEIR LOCAL
PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES.
AT NO TIME WILL PERSONAL 
INFORMATION BE COLLECTED OR 
SHARED, AND NO LOCATION SERVICES
WILL BE USED.
THE PRIVACY OF CANADIANS WILL BE
FULLY RESPECTED.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
TODAY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH
A VIEW TO CONTAINING THE VIRUS 
AND SAFELY REOPENING THE 
ECONOMY.
LED BY CANADIAN DIGITAL SERVICE 
IN COOPERATION WITH SHOPIFY, 
BLACKBERRY AND THE GOVERNMENT OF
ONTARIO, WE ARE DEVELOPING A 
MOBILE APPLICATION TO BE USED 
ALL ACROSS CANADA THAT WILL 
INFORM USERS IF THEY HAVE BEEN 
EXPOSED TO COVID-19.
SOON WE WILL BE TESTING THAT 
APPLICATION IN ONTARIO.
A NUMBER OF PROVINCES, INCLUDING
BRITISH COLUMBIA, ARE ALREADY 
WORKING WITH US, AND THE 
APPLICATION WILL BE AVAILABLE 
RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN THE 
COMING DAYS.
THIS APPLICATION WILL BE FULLY 
VOLUNTARY, NOT MANDATORY, BUT IT
WILL BE MORE EFFICIENT IF IT IS 
DOWNLOADED BY AS MANY PEOPLE AS 
POSSIBLE.
NOW THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO 
WORK.
IF YOU RECEIVE A POSITIVE 
COVID-19 TEST, A HEALTH CARE 
PROFESSIONAL WILL HELP YOU 
UPLOAD YOUR STATUS ANONYMOUSLY 
TO A NATIONAL NETWORK.
OTHER USERS WHO HAVE THE 
APPLICATION AND HAVE BEEN IN 
PROXIMITY TO YOU WILL BE ALERTED
TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN 
EXPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO TESTED 
POSITIVE.
THAT ALERT WILL ENCOURAGE THEM 
TO CONTACT THEIR LOCAL PUBLIC 
HEALTH AUTHORITIES.
NO PERSONAL INFORMATION WILL BE 
EITHER COLLECTED OR SHARED, AND 
NO LOCATION SERVICES WILL BE 
USED.
CANADIANS' PRIVACY WILL BE 
RESPECTED AT ALL TIMES.
FOR A NUMBER OF WEEKS NOW WE 
HAVE STARTED TO REOPEN CERTAIN 
SEGMENTS OF THE ECONOMY, BUT THE
RECOVERY IS PRESENTING CERTAIN 
CHALLENGES FOR SOME SECTORS.
I'M THINKING IN PARTICULAR OF 
THE CULTURAL INDUSTRY.
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS 
CRISIS, OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN 
THERE FOR ARTISTS, CREATORS AND 
THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THAT 
INDUSTRY.
THE CANADA COUNCIL FOR THE ARTS 
BELIEVES THAT THE CULTURAL 
INDUSTRY HAS RECEIVED ALL IN ALL
MORE THAN $2.5 BILLION, 
PARTICULARLY THROUGH PROGRAMS 
SUCH AS THE EMERGENCY WAGE 
SUBSIDY AND THE RESPONSE 
BENEFIT.
WE GRANTED $500 TO THAT INDUSTRY
TO HELP OUR ARTISTS AND RISING 
STARS IN THE SPORTS AREA TO GET 
THE SUPPORT THEY NEED, AND WE 
ARE STARTING UP A PORTAL TODAY 
THAT WILL BE OPEN.
NOW ANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT 
TO HAVE FUNDING CAN NOW APPLY ON
THE GOVERNMENT SITE.
WE ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANT 
PROGRESS, BUT WE ALSO KNOW 
THERE'S STILL A GREAT DEAL TO BE
DONE.
IN RECENT MONTHS OUR MUSEUMS 
HAVE SEEN LOSSES, MAJOR LOSSES 
OF REVENUES, WHICH IS 
THREATENING THE JOBS OF A LOT OF
PEOPLE.
SO OUR GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO 
MAKE A NEW INVESTMENT OF $25.7 
MILLION TO MAINTAIN ALMOST 200 
JOBS IN SEVEN MUSEUMS, NATIONAL 
MUSEUMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
OUR MUSEUMS TELL OUR STORIES, 
PAY TRIBUTE TO OUR ARTISTS AND 
ENRICH OUR COMMUNITIES.
THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THOSE 
INSTITUTIONS PRESERVE OUR 
CANADIAN HERITAGE.
THEY ALLOW US TO LEARN ABOUT OUR
PAST AND TO DISCOVER THE PEOPLE 
WHO HAVE MARKED OUR COUNTRY.
[ End of Interpretation ]
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS 
CRISIS, OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN 
CLOSELY MONITORING THE SPREAD OF
THE VIRUS, ITS IMPACTS ON OUR 
ECONOMY AND MAKING THE RIGHT 
ADJUSTMENTS ALONG THE WAY.
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP LISTENING TO
CANADIANS AND LOOK FOR OTHER 
WAYS TO SUPPORT THEM AS THE 
SITUATION EVOLVES.
I'M HAPPY NOW TO TAKE YOUR 
QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU, PRIME MINISTER.
WE'LL NOW GO TO THE PHONES FIRST
FOR QUESTIONS.
ONE QUESTION, ONE FOLLOW-UP.
OVER TO YOU, OPERATOR.
>> Operator: THANK YOU, MERCI.
[No Interpretation]
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
>> Reporter: GOOD MORNING, PRIME
MINISTER.
THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL, YOU 
SAID A FEW YEARS AGO "CANADA IS 
BACK," AND YET YESTERDAY YOU GOT
FEWER VOTES THAN THE HARPER 
GOVERNMENT DID IN 2010.
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WELL,
FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW WE 
HAVE BEEN ENGAGING WITH THE REST
OF THE WORLD AT MANY DIFFERENT 
LEVELS BECAUSE THAT IS IN 
CANADIANS' INTEREST, AND IT'S IN
THE INTEREST OF THE ENTIRE 
WORLD, FOR CANADA TO HAVE A 
STRONG VOICE, WHETHER IT BE ON 
CLIMATE CHANGE OR ECONOMIC 
DEVELOPMENT IN THE MOST 
VULNERABLE COUNTRIES OR GENDER 
EQUALITY OR HELP FOR THE MOST 
VULNERABLE.
CANADA FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW
HAS BEEN DOING MUCH MORE.
OF COURSE WE WOULD HAVE VERY 
MUCH LIKED TO CONTINUE TO RAISE 
OUR VOICE EVEN MORE WITHIN THE 
SECURITY COUNCIL, BUT WE'VE SEEN
IN RECENT YEARS THAT CANADA WAS 
HAVING A POSITIVE IMPACT, AND WE
WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT.
NOW THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THIS 
IS NOT THE RESULT I WAS HOPING 
FOR, BUT THE PARTNERSHIPS, THE 
WORK WE'VE DONE AND THE 
ENGAGEMENT WE'VE DONE IN RECENT 
YEARS WILL CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO
SERVE US IN THE FUTURE.
>> FOLLOW-UP, REY?
>> Reporter: THAT DOESN'T ANSWER
MY QUESTION.
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE FACT THAT
CANADA RECEIVED FEWER VOTES AND 
FAILED IN THIS -- ITS ATTEMPT TO
SECURE A SEAT?
THIS IS NOT THE SIGN THAT YOU 
WERE UNABLE TO IMPROVE CANADA'S 
REPUTATION.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WELL,
WE KNEW WHEN WE JUMPED INTO THIS
RACE THAT OUR TWO COMPETITORS, 
NORWAY AND IRELAND, WHOM I 
CALLED TO CONGRATULATE ON THEIR 
SUCCESS LAST EVENING, HAD FOUR 
OR FIVE YEARS OF PRE-ENTRY INTO 
THE RACE, AND WE DID MAKE A LOT 
OF PROGRESS, BUT THE FACT IS 
THAT WE WERE TOO FAR BEHIND TO 
WIN THIS.
OF COURSE IT IS A 
DISAPPOINTMENT, BUT WHAT WE WERE
ABLE TO DO IN RECENT YEARS, BY 
BEING MORE ENGAGED ON THE WORLD 
STAGE, WAS SECURE POSITIVE 
RESULTS FOR CANADIANS AND FOR 
PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK 
WITH OUR PARTNERS, WITH OUR NEW 
FRIENDS, WITH OTHER COUNTRIES IN
THE WORLD TO DEFEND 
MULTILATERALISM AT A TIME OF 
TURBULENCE AND UNCERTAINTY IN 
THE WORLD.
[ End of Interpretation ]
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE HOPED 
FOR A DIFFERENT RESULT 
YESTERDAY.
WE'VE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD 
OVER THESE PAST YEARS TO DEEPEN 
OUR FRIENDSHIPS AND CREATE NEW 
PARTNERSHIPS ON REALLY BIG 
ISSUES, FROM CLIMATE CHANGE TO 
HELP FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE TO 
WOMEN'S EQUALITY TO A RANGE OF 
OTHER ISSUES THAT IS MOVING THE 
WORLD FORWARD IN WAYS THAT 
MATTER TO CANADIANS, BOTH HERE 
AT HOME AND AROUND THE WORLD.
OBVIOUSLY I WAS PLEASED TO BE 
ABLE TO CALL IRELAND AND NORWAY 
LAST NIGHT AND THIS MORNING TO 
CONGRATULATE THEM FOR A WELL-RUN
CAMPAIGN AND COMMIT TO THEM THAT
WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE TO 
WORK WITH THEM ON ALL OUR SHARED
VALUES ON THE WORLD STAGE.
BUT THE REALITY WAS COMING IN 
FIVE YEARS LATER THAN THEM GAVE 
US A DELAY THAT WE UNFORTUNATELY
WEREN'T ABLE TO OVERCOME.
I WAS HOPING WE WOULD, AND WE 
CERTAINLY WORKED HARD TO DO IT, 
BUT WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO OVER
THE FEW YEARS WITH THIS CAMPAIGN
WAS STRENGTHEN AND DEEPEN MANY, 
MANY TIES, AND THE IMPACT THAT 
CANADA HAS AROUND THE WORLD, AND
PARTICULARLY TURBULENT TIMES.
WE WILL REMAIN COMMITTED TO 
MULTILATERALISM, TO ENGAGING 
CONSTRUCTIVELY AND POSITIVELY IN
THE WORLD BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING
THAT MATTERS TO CANADIANS AND IT
ALSO MATTERS TO MANY, MANY 
COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT 
CANADA CONTINUES TO BE PRESENT 
IN DEFENDING MULTILATERALISM.
>> THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION, OPERATOR.
>> Operator: THANK YOU, MERCI.
NEXT QUESTION, DILLON ROBERTSON,
WINNIPEG FREE PRESS.
LINE OPEN.
>> Reporter: GOOD MORNING, PRIME
MINISTER.
I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE LACK 
OF DISAGGREGATED DATA ABOUT OUR 
ECONOMIC RECOVERY.
STATISTICS CANADA RECENTLY 
SUSPENDED ITS JOB VACANCY AND 
WAGE SURVEY BECAUSE ITS 
RESOURCES ARE BEING STRETCHED SO
THIN.
THAT PROJECT HAS EXISTED FOR 
DECADES -- SORRY, FOR YEARS.
IT'S BEEN MUCH MORE DETAILED 
THAN THE LABOUR FORCE SURVEY.
YOUR DEPARTMENTS ARE ALSO NOT 
PUBLISHING ANY DATA ON HOW THE 
CERB, THE WAGE SUBSIDY OR THE 
COMMERCIAL RENT SUBSIDY ARE 
BEING TAKEN UP BY PROVINCE OR BY
GENDER.
THIS RECOVERY DIFFERS BY REGION,
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FLYING 
BLIND.
I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE GOING TO
DIVERT RESOURCES SO WE CAN 
ACTUALLY MEASURE THE RECOVERY 
MORE PRECISELY. 
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WE 
KNOW THAT SOLID DATA IS THE 
FOUNDATION FOR MAKING THE RIGHT 
PUBLIC POLICY DECISIONS.
THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT TIME 
WITH COVID-19 WHERE WE'VE HAD TO
SET UP NEW SYSTEMS AND ADJUST 
OLD SYSTEMS TO BETTER RESPOND, 
AND OUR FOCUS EVERY STEP OF THE 
WAY NEEDED TO BE ON GETTING THE 
HELP OUT TO CANADIANS.
AT THE SAME TIME WE'VE BEEN 
WORKING CLOSELY WITH STATISTICS 
CANADA ON COLLECTING BETTER 
DATA, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING 
ALSO WITH THE PROVINCES TO 
ENABLE THEM TO GET DATA THAT IS 
ABLE TO BE COLLATED AT THE 
FEDERAL LEVEL.
WE KNOW THAT WE NEED BETTER 
DATA, WE NEED MORE 
DISAGGREGATED, RACE-BASED DATA, 
AND THIS IS WHAT WE CONTINUE TO 
WORK ON RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S STILL, AS YOU POINT OUT,
MUCH IMPROVEMENT TO BE MADE, BUT
WE ARE VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON 
UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE DOING SO
THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS 
EVEN BETTER.
>> FOLLOW-UP, DILLON?
>> Reporter: AND PRIME MINISTER,
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT POLICE 
FORCES UNDER PROVINCIAL 
JURISDICTION.
THE WINNIPEG POLICE HAVE SHOT 
AND KILLED THREE INDIGENOUS 
PEOPLE IN RECENT MONTHS.
THEY WERE FILMED LAST WEEK 
KICKING A MAN WHILE HE WAS HELD 
DOWN.
YOUR MINISTER SAID HE'S REVOLTED
BY THESE INCIDENTS, BUT LITTLE 
HAS CHANGED OVER TWO DECADES IN 
WINNIPEG, AND HE SAID THAT YOUR 
GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO LEAD THE WAY
IN COMBATTING WHAT HE CALLS 
POLICE BRUTALITY.
SO I'M WONDERING WHAT ACTION 
YOU'LL TAKE BEYOND THE RCMP AND 
IF YOU'LL BE PRESSING PREMIER 
PALLISTER ON THIS IN YOUR CALL 
THIS EVENING.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: LAST 
WEEK AND CERTAINLY AGAIN TONIGHT
WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT OUR 
SHARED RESPONSIBILITY OVER 
VARIOUS POLICE SERVICES ACROSS 
THIS COUNTRY AND THE NEED TO 
ADDRESS SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT 
EXISTS IN ALL OF OUR 
INSTITUTIONS, INCLUDING ALL OF 
OUR POLICE FORCES.
THAT'S WHY I KNOW THAT IT CAN'T 
JUST BE A FEDERAL ISSUE, 
ALTHOUGH THERE IS PLENTY FOR US 
TO DO AT THE FEDERAL SIDE.
WE DO NEED TO WORK WITH ALL 
PARTNERS ON THIS.
THIS IS WHY WE'RE GOING TO 
CONTINUE TO TALK NOT JUST ABOUT 
MAKING STRONG STATEMENTS ABOUT 
COMMITTING TO FIGHT SYSTEMIC 
DISCRIMINATION WITHIN OUR 
JURISDICTIONS, BUT WE'RE ALSO 
GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT 
CONCRETE ACTIONS THAT NEED TO BE
TAKEN AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF 
GOVERNMENT RIGHT ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE 
THAT RACIALIZED CANADIANS AND 
INDIGENOUS CANADIANS DON'T 
CONTINUE TO SUFFER THE KIND OF 
DAILY LIVED REALITY OF 
DISCRIMINATION THAT IS ALL TOO 
COMMON.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
TONIGHT, ONCE AGAIN, I WILL BE 
SPEAKING TO THE PREMIERS OF 
SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION AND OUR 
COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR 
VARIOUS LEVELS OF POLICE 
SERVICES.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING 
ABOUT MAKING THE NECESSARY 
CHANGES.
CERTAINLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
HAS A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND MANY
LEVERS WE CAN USE TO IMPROVE 
THINGS CONCRETELY, BUT WE MUST 
WORK WITH THE OTHER LEVELS OF 
GOVERNMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE 
WILL DO.
NOT JUST TO COMMIT TO DOING 
BETTER BUT TO DEVELOP CONCRETE 
PLANS AND ACTIONS THAT WILL 
ALLOW US TO IMPROVE THE 
SITUATION FOR CANADIANS FACING 
DISCRIMINATION ON AN ALMOST 
DAILY BASIS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> Operator: THANK YOU, MERCI.
NEXT QUESTION, "THE GLOBE AND 
MAIL".
FINE OPEN.
>> Reporter: GOOD MORNING, PRIME
MINISTER.
DO YOU BELIEVE THE RCMP 
DISPROPORTIONATELY USES FORCE 
AGAINST INDIGENOUS PEOPLES?
AND IF SO, WHY?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: I 
THINK WE'VE SEEN DATA THAT 
SUGGESTS THAT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE 
ARE AT GREATER RISK OF 
MISTREATMENT OR EXCESSIVE FORCE 
USED BY POLICE SERVICES, 
INCLUDING THE RCMP, ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY.
AND THAT'S JUST A CLEAR AND 
VIVID ILLUSTRATION OF SYSTEMIC 
RACISM, SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION 
THAT EXISTS WITHIN OUR COUNTRY 
AND ACROSS A RANGE OF 
INSTITUTIONS.
WE NEED TO WORK HARD TO ADDRESS 
THIS, TO CHANGE THE PROTOCOLS.
I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE 
COMMISSIONER OF THE RCMP ON 
THIS.
I KNOW I'M GOING TO BE -- HAVE 
THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH 
PROVINCIAL PREMIERS TONIGHT ON 
WHAT WE CAN DO IN VARIOUS POLICE
FORCES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO NEED TO 
ADDRESS, AND SOON, AND RAPIDLY.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A 
REALITY FOR RACIALIZED AND 
INDIGENOUS CANADIANS TO BE MORE 
OFTEN THE VICTIMS OF AGGRESSION 
OR INJURIOUS ACTIONS BY THE 
POLICE.
WE MUST ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM, 
WHICH IS A CLEAR ILLUSTRATION OF
SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION AND 
RACISM THAT EXISTS WITHIN OUR 
INSTITUTIONS, AND THAT'S WHY I 
AM HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE
COMMISSIONER OF THE RCMP, BUT 
ALSO WITH THE PREMIERS OF THE 
PROVINCES, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE 
CONCRETE ACTION TO BETTER SERVE 
AND PROTECT MINORITY CANADIANS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> FOLLOW-UP, KRISTIE?
>> Reporter: AND, PRIME 
MINISTER, THERE ARE NOW CALLS 
FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION
TO BE LAUNCHED BY YOUR 
GOVERNMENT OF THE RCMP'S 
CONDUCT, INCLUDING ITS USE OF 
FORCE AGAINST INDIGENOUS 
PEOPLES.
IS YOUR GOVERNMENT ON BOARD?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: AS 
I'VE SAID MANY TIMES, WE ARE 
GOING TO BE TAKING A STRONG, 
BOLD, CONCRETE ACTIONS TO GO AT 
SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION IN THIS 
COUNTRY, AND THAT INCLUDES 
MEASURES WITHIN OUR JUSTICE 
SYSTEM, MEASURES AROUND 
POLICING, BUT ALSO MEASURES 
AROUND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND 
COMMUNITY SUPPORTS.
THERE IS A RANGE OF THINGS THAT 
WE NEED TO DO TO COUNTER 
SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION, THE 
LIVED REALITY OF FAR TOO MANY 
RACIALIZED AND INDIGENOUS 
CANADIANS WHO SUFFER EVERY 
SINGLE DAY.
WE NEED TO DO MUCH MORE, AND 
THAT'S WHY WE ARE WORKING WITH 
THEM TO ESTABLISH RAPIDLY THE 
CONCRETE ACTIONS WE'RE GOING TO 
MOVE FORWARD WITH SHORTLY.
>> THANK YOU.
WE'LL TAKE ONE MORE QUESTION ON 
THE PHONE.
OPERATOR?
>> Operator: THANK YOU, MERCI.
[No Interpretation]
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
>> Reporter: GOOD MORNING, 
MR. TRUDEAU.
YOU WILL BE SPEAKING TO THE 
PREMIERS THIS EVENING IN 
PARTICULAR ABOUT SYSTEMIC 
RACISM.
MR. LEGAULT IN QUEBEC IS 
REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT 
THERE IS SYSTEMIC RACISM.
MR. SINGH CALLED A BLOC M.P. A 
RACIST YESTERDAY IN THE HOUSE, 
SAYING THAT REFUSING TO 
ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXISTENCE OF 
SYSTEMIC RACISM IS TO BE A 
RACIST.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WELL,
FIRST OF ALL I'M EXTREMELY 
DISAPPOINTED THAT THE BLOC 
QUÉBÉCOIS CONTINUES NOT TO 
RECOGNIZE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT 
SYSTEMIC RACISM EXISTS IN CANADA
RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN ALL 
OUR INSTITUTIONS.
I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS TO 
RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A 
PROBLEM IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO 
ADDRESS IT, AND I DO HOPE THAT 
THE BLOC AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS
AND LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT WILL 
RECOGNIZE THAT SYSTEMIC 
DISCRIMINATION AND RACISM EXIST 
IN ORDER TO BE ABLE BETTER ABLE 
TO ADDRESS IT.
NOW WITH RESPECT TO WHAT 
MR. SINGH SAID, IT'S NOT UP TO 
ME TO SAY TO A RACIALIZED 
CANADIAN THAT WHEN -- WHAT TO 
SAY OR DO WHEN A QUESTION OF 
RACISM ARISES.
I THINK MANY CANADIANS ARE 
FACING RACISM, AND THESE ARE 
CONVERSATIONS THAT MAKE PEOPLE 
UNCOMFORTABLE, OF COURSE, BUT 
THEY ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE
TO HAPPEN IF WE WANT TO MOVE 
FORWARD AS A COUNTRY.
[ End of Interpretation ]
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS 
DISAPPOINTING THAT THE BLOC 
QUÉBÉCOIS CONTINUES TO REFUSE TO
ACCEPT THAT SYSTEMIC 
DISCRIMINATION, SYSTEMIC RACISM 
EXISTS WITHIN OUR COUNTRY, IN 
EVERY PART OF OUR COUNTRY, AND 
IN ALL OUR INSTITUTIONS, 
RECOGNIZING SYSTEMIC 
DISCRIMINATION IS THE IMPORTANT 
FIRST STEP TOWARDS BEING ABLE TO
ADDRESS IT AND ENSURE BETTER 
OPPORTUNITIES, OUTCOMES AND 
LIVED REALITIES FOR RACIALIZED 
CANADIANS AND INDIGENOUS 
CANADIANS PARTICULARLY.
IN REGARDS TO WHAT MR. SINGH 
SAID, IT IS NOT FOR ME TO 
CRITICIZE ANY CANADIAN, 
PARTICULARLY THE ONLY RACIALIZED
LEADER IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, 
FOR MAKING OTHER PEOPLE 
UNCOMFORTABLE BY CALLING THEM 
OUT FOR NOT RECOGNIZING SYSTEMIC
DISCRIMINATION.
I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE 
THAT THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE 
GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE 
UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT IT HAS BEEN 
THE LIVED REALITY OF RACIALIZED 
AND INDIGENOUS CANADIANS FOR FAR
TOO LONG, AND WE NEED TO 
CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD IN A 
WAY THAT ATTEMPTS TO BRING 
PEOPLE TOGETHER, BUT YES, WE ARE
GOING TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE UNEASY
WITH RECOGNIZING THINGS HAVE TO 
CHANGE.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
>> FOLLOW-UP?
>> Reporter: YES.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE DISAPPOINTED 
THAT THE BLOC DOES NOT RECOGNIZE
THE EXISTENCE OF RACISM IN 
INSTITUTIONS, BUT WHAT ABOUT 
FRANÇOIS LEGAULT?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WELL,
I THINK THAT RIGHT ACROSS THIS 
COUNTRY THERE ARE DIFFERENT 
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE AT DIFFERENT
STAGES IN TERMS OF RECOGNIZING 
THAT RACISM EXISTS, BUT I THINK 
THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING 
NOW AND THE STRONG VOICES THAT 
ARE BEING HEARD TALKING ABOUT 
THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE HERE AND 
THE NEED TO FIND SOLUTIONS WILL 
REASSURE US THAT WE ARE MOVING 
IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND THAT 
EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND THE WORK
THAT IS AHEAD OF US AND GET DOWN
TO IT.
[ End of Interpretation ]
I CONTINUE TO MEET PEOPLE ACROSS
THE COUNTRY WHO STRUGGLE WITH 
THE IDEA OF SYSTEMIC 
DISCRIMINATION, BUT THE SOONER 
WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT EXISTS AND 
THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD 
TOGETHER, THE MORE WE LISTEN TO 
THE LIVED REALITY OF RACIALIZED 
CANADIANS, OF INDIGENOUS 
CANADIANS, THE MORE WE 
UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THAT 
ARE BEING FACED EVERY SINGLE DAY
IN OUR INSTITUTIONS IN OUR 
COUNTRY, THE MORE WE ARE GOING 
TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM AND 
IMPROVE OUR COUNTRY AND ACTUALLY
BE MORE OF THE COUNTRY THAT WE 
ALL KNOW WE WANT TO BE IN OUR 
HEARTS.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
>> Reporter: RADIO-CANADA.
NOW EVEN IN COUNTRIES WHERE 
THOSE TRACING APPS ARE USED AND 
ARE MOST POPULAR, ONLY 40% OF 
PEOPLE ARE USING THEM, AND 
THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR IT TO BE 
HELPFUL, SAYS PUBLIC HEALTH IN 
THOSE COUNTRIES.
NOW BRITISH COLUMBIA HAS DROPPED
THIS FOR PRIVACY REASONS.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT CANADIANS 
WILL BE MORE INTERESTED IN 
SUBSCRIBING TO THAT APPLICATION 
AND THAT WE WILL NOT SEE THE 
SAME FAILURE AS ELSEWHERE?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: NOW 
IN TERMS OF THE EXPERIENCES WITH
THIS TYPE OF APP ELSEWHERE IN 
THE WORLD, I THINK THEY WERE 
BASED ON A TELEPHONE APP AND THE
APPLICATION HAD TO REMAIN ACTIVE
ON THE PHONE IN ORDER TO WORK.
OBVIOUSLY THAT USED MUCH TOO 
MUCH POWER FROM THE BATTERY.
IT WAS COMPLICATED TO USE, BUT 
THIS APPLICATION IS BASED ON A 
CHANGE MADE BY GOOGLE AND APPLE 
TO THEIR OPERATIONAL SYSTEMS, 
WHICH MEANS YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE
APPLICATION AND FORGET ALL ABOUT
IT.
YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING 
FOR THE APPLICATION TO WORK. 
SO IF YOU TEST POSITIVE, 
ANONYMOUSLY A CODE WILL BE 
DEVELOPED THAT WILL MAKE IT 
CLEAR TO PEOPLE WHO WERE IN 
PROXIMITY TO YOU THAT THEY HAVE 
BEEN EXPOSED.
YOU WILL RECEIVE AN ALERT FROM 
SOMEONE IF YOU WERE IN PROXIMITY
TO SOMEONE WHO TESTED POSITIVE, 
AND AT THAT POINT YOU CAN CALL 
THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO THIS IS A VERY, VERY SIMPLE 
APPLICATION.
WE DREW LESSONS FROM WHAT OTHER 
PEOPLE DID AROUND THE WORLD IN 
THAT AREA, AND WE KNOW THAT THIS
TYPE OF SIMPLE AND ANONYMOUS 
APPLICATION THAT IS ENTIRELY 
VOLUNTARY WILL BE EXTREMELY 
POWERFUL IN TERMS OF HELPING US 
TO REOPEN THE ECONOMY SAFELY.
[ End of Interpretation ]
OVER THE PAST MONTHS WE'VE SEEN 
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT 
APPLICATIONS PUT FORWARD BY 
VARIOUS JURISDICTIONS AROUND THE
WORLD THAT, YOU'RE RIGHT, DIDN'T
REALLY WORK ALL THAT WELL.
SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WERE THAT
THESE APPLICATIONS NEEDED TO SIT
IN THE FOREGROUND OF YOUR PHONE 
AND, THEREFORE, DRAINED 
BATTERIES, AND YOU HAD TO WORK 
TO KEEP THEM ACTIVE QUITE 
REGULARLY.
IN THE PAST WEEKS, APPLE AND 
GOOGLE PUT OUT MAJOR UPGRADES TO
THEIR OPERATING SYSTEMS THAT 
ALLOW THIS APPLICATION TO WORK 
IN THE BACKGROUND.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING
AROUND THIS APPLICATION OTHER 
THAN DOWNLOAD IT.
IF YOU TEST POSITIVE, THEY WILL 
PLUG IN A CODE THAT ALERTS ANY 
PHONE THAT HAS BEEN CLOSE TO 
YOURS THAT YOU HAVE NOW TESTED 
POSITIVE, AND IF YOU HAVE A 
PHONE THAT ALERTS YOU THAT YOU 
MAY HAVE BEEN IN PROXIMITY WITH 
SOMEONE WHO SUBSEQUENTLY TESTED 
POSITIVE, CAN YOU JUST CALL 
PUBLIC HEALTH, AND THEY'LL WORK 
THROUGH THE NEXT STEPS THAT YOU 
HAVE TO DO.
IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST 
DOWNLOAD AND FORGET ABOUT, AND 
BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY 
ANONYMOUS, BECAUSE IT'S LOW 
MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE IT IS 
COMPLETELY RESPECTFUL OF YOUR 
PRIVACY, INCLUDING -- ALSO 
INCLUDING NO LOCATION SERVICES 
OR GEOTAGING OF ANY SORT, PEOPLE
CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS AN
EASY MEASURE THAT THEY CAN HAVE 
TO CONTINUE TO KEEP US ALL SAFE 
AS WE REOPEN, AS WE GET MORE 
ACTIVE.
THIS IS AN APPROACH THAT WE ARE 
CONFIDENT IS GOING TO MAKE A BIG
DIFFERENCE AND CANADIANS CAN DO 
THIS AND FORGET ABOUT IT.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
>> Reporter: ONE OF THE CONCERNS
OF PEOPLE IS PRIVACY, SO YOU SAY
THAT THE DATA WILL BE PROTECTED,
BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 
WHERE WILL THAT DATA BE STORED, 
WILL THEY BE ON SAFE SERVERS, 
AND HAS THE PRIVACY COMMISSIONER
BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS DECISION, 
AND HOW WILL YOU CONVINCE THE 
OTHER PROVINCES THAT ARE 
RELUCTANT TO GET ON BOARD WITH 
THIS?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WELL,
IN TERMS OF THE APPLICATION, 
THERE IS THREE PARTS TO THIS.
FIRST OF ALL THERE'S THE 
APPLICATION ITSELF WHICH WILL BE
A NATIONAL APPLICATION NAH WILL 
BE ADJUSTED FOR EACH PROVINCE 
THAT WANTS TO USE IT SO THAT 
PEOPLE CAN RECEIVE INFORMATION 
FROM LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITIES, 
BUT THE APPLICATION WILL BE 
NATIONAL IN NATURE, AND IT WILL 
BE USABLE RIGHT ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY, WHETHER YOU'RE IN 
ONTARIO, B.C. OR A VISITOR IN 
THE COUNTRY.
IT WILL CONTINUE TO WORK.
SECOND, THE DATA BANK WILL BE 
HELD BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, 
AND IT WILL CONTAIN ONLY THE 
ANONYMOUS CODES ASSOCIATED WITH 
VARIOUS PHONES.
THERE IS NO PERSONAL INFORMATION
STORED, NOTHING THAT CAN 
IDENTIFY YOU.
IT WILL JUST BE A CODE THAT WILL
BE ASSOCIATED WITH A POSITIVE 
TEST OR NO POSITIVE TEST 
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CODE.
SO THE REGISTER WILL BE 
CONTROLLED BY CANADIAN DIGITAL 
SERVICES WITHIN THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT, ENTIRELY SAFE AND 
SECURE, AND ONLY IN CANADA.
THE THIRD PART IS PUBLIC HEALTH 
DEPARTMENTS IN EVERY PROVINCE 
AND TERRITORY.
THEIR RESPONSIBILITY WILL BE 
THAT WHEN A TEST HAPPENS, THAT 
THE CODE IS DEVELOPED 
ANONYMOUSLY, SAYING THAT THIS 
PHONE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A 
POSITIVE TEST.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF SOMEONE 
RECEIVES AN ALERT, TELLING THEM 
THAT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN IN 
CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS 
TESTED POSITIVE, THEN THEY WILL 
CALL PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAY "I 
THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT
WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS TESTED 
POSITIVE, WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW?"
AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT
WILL LOOK AFTER THAT PERSON.
SO IT'S COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS, 
IT'S ENTIRELY RIGOROUS.
YES, WE WORKED WITH THE PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONER ON THIS.
WE WORKED WITH BLACKBERRY, WITH 
SHOPIFY TO ENSURE THAT 
EVERYTHING WOULD BE PRIVATE AND 
ANONYMOUS.
AND PEOPLE WILL HAVE CONFIDENCE 
THAT THIS WILL BE A VERY, VERY 
HELPFUL TOOL IN HELPING US TO BE
MORE EFFECTIVE IN CONTACT 
TRACING.
[ End of Interpretation ]
I THINK THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT 
THIS APP IS ACTUALLY IN THREE 
DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
ONE IS THE NATIONAL APP THAT 
EVERYONE CAN DOWNLOAD THAT WILL 
BE CUSTOMIZED FOR EACH PROVINCE,
BUT IT WILL BE ONE APP THAT 
WHETHER YOU DOWNLOAD IT AND LIVE
IN ONTARIO AND TRAVEL TO B.C. OR
TRAVEL TO THE NORTHWEST 
TERRITORIES, IF THAT BECOMES AN 
OPTION, IT WILL WORK EVERYWHERE 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO IT'S ONE APP FOR ALL 
CANADIANS, AND THERE ARE OVER 30
MILLION SMARTPHONES THAT COULD 
TAKE THIS APP IN CANADA, SO WE 
CAN TALK ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT 
PORTION OF THE CANADIAN 
POPULATION THAT COULD BE 
PROTECTED BY THIS APP THAT YOU 
CAN DOWNLOAD AND THEN FORGET 
ABOUT.
THE SECOND PART OF IT IS, 
OBVIOUSLY, THE NATIONAL 
DATABASE.
THERE WILL BE A DATABASE OF 
RANDOMIZED CODES ASSOCIATED WITH
EACH SMARTPHONE THAT HAS THIS 
APP THAT WILL BE DIVIDED INTO 
TWO COLUMNS, THOSE WHO MAY HAVE 
TESTED POSITIVE, THOSE WHO HAVE 
NOT TESTED POSITIVE.
SO IF YOUR PHONE GETS IN 
PROXIMITY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT 
OF TIME AT A CERTAIN CLOSENESS 
TO ANOTHER PHONE, IT WILL 
REGISTER THAT IT HAS HAD CONTACT
WITH THAT ANONYMISED NUMBER.
NOT A PHONE NUMBER, BUT AN 
ANONYMISED IDENTIFIER FOR THE 
APP.
A FEW DAYS LATER, IF THAT PERSON
YOU WERE IN PROXIMITY WITH 
TESTED POSITIVE, YOU WILL GET A 
NOTIFICATION TO REACH OUT TO 
YOUR LOCAL HEALTH SERVICES.
SO THE THIRD PART OF THAT APP IS
THE LOCAL, PROVINCIAL OR 
TERRITORIAL HEALTH SERVICES THAT
WILL ENSURE THAT WHEN SOMEONE 
TESTS POSITIVE AND THEY HAVE THE
APP THE APP IS NOTIFIED THAT 
THAT RANDOM NUMBER ASSOCIATED 
WITH YOUR PHONE GOES INTO THE 
RED COLUMN.
ON TOP OF THAT, IF YOU ARE 
NOTIFIED THAT YOU WERE OVER THE 
PAST FEW DAYS IN PROXIMITY WITH 
SOMEONE WHO THEN TESTED 
POSITIVE, YOU WILL BE ENCOURAGED
TO CALL YOUR LOCAL HEALTH 
AUTHORITIES TO SAY I THINK I -- 
I JUST GOT AN ALERT THAT I WAS 
IN PROXIMITY WITH SOMEONE WHO 
LOOKS LIKE THEY JUST TESTED 
POSITIVE, WHAT DO I DO, AND THE 
LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITY WILL WALK
YOU THROUGH THAT.
AND IT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE 
FROM THE APP AT THAT POINT.
IT'S THE SAME THING AS IF YOU 
REALIZE THAT YOUR GROCER THAT 
YOU JUST HAD A CONVERSATION 
WITH, YOU KNOW, TWO DAYS AGO 
SUDDENLY TESTED POSITIVE AND YOU
SHOULD PROBABLY CALL YOUR LOCAL 
HEALTH AUTHORITIES.
SO IT'S AN EXTRA TOOL THAT HELPS
PEOPLE MOVE FORWARD WITH 
CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO 
BE ABLE TO TRACK AND TRACE MORE 
OF THE EXPOSURE OR THE POTENTIAL
SHARING OF THE COVID-19 VIRUS 
AROUND THE COUNTRY.
IT IS AN EXTRA LAYER OF 
PROTECTION THAT GOES ON TOP OF 
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE 
ALREADY DOING, AND THAT'S WHY 
WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO 
DOWNLOAD THE APP ONCE IT BECOMES
AVAILABLE IN EARLY JULY.
>> Reporter: TOM PERRY, CBC.
IS THERE A LEVEL THAT YOU'RE 
TRYING TO HIT IN TERMS OF THE 
NUMBER OF PEOPLE DOWNLOADING THE
APP?
AND IF YOU DON'T REACH THAT 
LEVEL, IS THERE A PLAN B? 
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: I 
THINK ANY AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT 
DOWNLOAD IT WILL BE USEFUL FOR 
THAT PERSON AND FOR SOCIETY.
BUT IT'S CERTAIN THAT IF WE CAN 
TALK ABOUT 50% UPTAKE, FOR 
EXAMPLE, OR MORE, THEN IT 
BECOMES EXTRAORDINARILY USEFUL, 
NOT JUST FOR HAVING PEOPLE KNOW 
THAT, OH, OKAY, THEY WERE IN 
PROXIMITY WITH SOMEONE WHO THEN 
TESTED POSITIVE SO THEY SHOULD 
REACH OUT TO PUBLIC HEALTH, BUT 
IT WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO 
HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHEN 
THERE ARE SPIKES OR RESURGENCES 
OF A VIRUS IN A PARTICULAR AREA 
OR NOT BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE WILL 
BE GETTING THAT NOTIFICATION AND
CALLING THEIR LOCAL PUBLIC 
HEALTH AUTHORITIES.
SO ANY LEVEL OF UPTAKE WOULD BE 
USEFUL, BUT BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A
SIMPLE PROCEDURE, YOU DOWNLOAD 
IT FOR FREE, YOU LEAVE IT IN THE
BACK OF YOUR PHONE AND YOU 
FORGET ABOUT IT UNTIL SUDDENLY 
IT TELLS YOU, OH, YOU MAY HAVE 
BEEN IN PROXIMITY WITH SOMEONE 
WHO HAS SINCE TESTED POSITIVE, 
REACH OUT TO YOUR PUBLIC HEALTH 
AUTHORITY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT 
WE EXPECT THAT A LOT OF 
CANADIANS ARE GOING TO REALIZE 
HERE IS A TANGIBLE THING THEY 
CAN DO TO KEEP US SAFE AS WE -- 
SAFER AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE 
REOPENING.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
OF COURSE THIS IS A TOOL THAT 
WILL BE MORE USEFUL IF A LOT OF 
PEOPLE DECIDE TO DOWNLOAD THE 
APP.
IF WE GET OVER 50%, IT COULD 
REALLY HAVE A TRANSFORMING 
EFFECT, BUT EVEN IF THERE ARE 
ONLY A FEW PEOPLE THAT DO IT, IT
WILL BE A TOOL, AN ADDITIONAL 
TOOL THAT WILL HELP US TO CARRY 
OUT CONTACT TRACING.
THE FACT IS IT'S SO EASY, YOU 
JUST HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THE APP 
AND THEN FORGET ABOUT IT.
THE APPLICATION WILL THEN 
COMPLETELY ANONYMOUSLY ALERT YOU
AND TO TELL YOU YOU MAY HAVE 
BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO
TESTED POSITIVE FOR THE VIRUS.
AT THAT POINT, YOU CAN CALL THE 
PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES TO ASK
THEM WHAT YOU SHOULD DO, AND SO 
IT HAS SO MANY BENEFITS FOR THE 
INDIVIDUAL AND FOR SOCIETY AS A 
WHOLE, WITHOUT ANY DOWNSIDE, 
BECAUSE IT'S ANONYMOUS.
THERE ARE NO LOCATION SERVICES 
OR GEOGRAPHIC SERVICES USED.
IT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN THE 
CONTROL OF THE USER AND IT'S 
COMPLETELY SECURE.
SO WE ARE EXPECTING A LOT OF 
CANADIANS TO WANT TO DO THEIR 
PART VERY SIMPLY BECAUSE IF 
THERE IS A NEW OUTBREAK OF 
COVID-19 IN ONE LOCATION, VERY 
QUICKLY WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE 
RECEIVING AN ALERT RIGHT AWAY 
THAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN IN 
CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO TESTED 
POSITIVE, THEN THEY CAN TAKE 
ACTION.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> Reporter: IS THERE A PLAN B?
AND I MEAN, HOW MUCH MORE 
COMPLICATED DOES THAT MAKE 
CONTACT TRACING?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
CONTACT TRACING AS IT IS RIGHT 
NOW IS BEING DONE WITH HUNDREDS 
AND EVEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO ARE DOING
IT MANUALLY, AND THAT WILL 
CONTINUE.
WHAT THIS APP PROVIDES IS AN 
EXTRA LAYER OF EFFORT THAT IS 
REMOVED.
IF SOMEONE HAS THE APP AND IS 
NOTIFIED BY THE APP THAT THE 
PERSON THEY CONTACTED WITH OR 
THE PERSON THEY SAT NEXT TO IN A
CAFÉ SUBSEQUENTLY TESTED 
POSITIVE, THAT PREVENTS THAT 
PERSON IN THE CAFÉ FROM HAVING 
TO EXPLAIN, WELL, I WAS IN THE 
CAFÉ AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME 
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK JIM FROM 
DOWN THE STREET WAS SITTING NEXT
TO ME, MAYBE YOU SHOULD CALL 
THEM TO TELL THEM THAT THEY 
MIGHT HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO ME.
THE APP DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY,
SO IT IS A LAYER OF ADDITIONAL 
EFFORT, BUT IT IS IN ADDITION TO
ALL THE CONTACT TRACING THAT WE 
ARE DOING RIGHT NOW, ALL THE 
CONTROL WE'RE HAVING.
IT ADDS TO OUR CAPACITIES IN A 
VERY USEFUL WAY IF THERE IS 
STRONG UPTAKE, BUT WHAT WE ARE 
DOING AS IT IS CONTINUES.
>> Reporter: KEVIN GALLAGHER 
WITH CTV NATIONAL NEWS.
I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO 
YESTERDAY IN THE HOUSE, PRIME 
MINISTER.
I WANT TO ASK YOU: DO YOU THINK 
THAT ALAIN THERRIEN WITH THE 
BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS WAS RACIST BY 
VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION FROM 
NDP LEADER JAGMEET SINGH THAT 
THERE'S SYSTEMIC RACISM IN THE 
RCMP? 
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: I 
THINK IT REMAINS PROBLEMATIC 
THAT THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS REFUSES 
TO RECOGNIZE SYSTEMIC RACISM IN 
THE RCMP AND IN THIS COUNTRY.
THE FIRST STEP IS RECOGNIZING 
THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM SO THAT 
WE CAN ADDRESS IT, AND IT IS 
UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY CONTINUE 
TO RESIST RECOGNIZING THE LIVED 
REALITY OF MILLIONS OF CANADIANS
WHO ARE INDIGENOUS OR 
RACIALIZED.
>> Reporter: BUT YOU WON'T 
COMMENT ON YOUR OPINION ON WHAT 
YOU THINK THAT ACTION MEANS?
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT ACTION IN
THE HOUSE, BY PURPOSELY VOTING 
AGAINST THE MOTION, DO YOU THINK
BY THAT IN ITSELF THIS IS WHAT 
MR. SINGH IS ALLEGING, OF 
COURSE, THAT THAT IN ITSELF IS 
RACIST? 
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: FIRST
OF ALL, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE
BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS MEMBERS 
THEMSELVES TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY 
CONTINUE TO RESIST RECOGNIZING 
THE LIVED REALITY OF FAR TOO 
MANY PEOPLE THAT SYSTEMIC 
DISCRIMINATION DOES EXIST IN 
THIS COUNTRY.
SECONDLY, IN REGARDS TO 
MR. SINGH, I THINK IT IS 
IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT
RACIALIZED CANADIANS WHOSE LIVED
REALITY IS DISCRIMINATION AND 
MICROAGGRESSION ALL TOO OFTEN, 
YOU KNOW, HAVE -- ARE ALLOWED TO
MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE IN 
BRINGING OUT THESE ISSUES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE 
RECOGNIZE WHEN THE ONLY 
RACIALIZED LEADER IN THE HOUSE 
OF COMMONS, YOU KNOW, MAKES A 
STATEMENT LIKE THAT, THAT IT 
COMES FROM A PLACE THAT, YES, 
WILL MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE, 
BUT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH AS WE
MOVE FORWARD AS A COUNTRY.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
I THINK IT'S UP TO THE BLOC 
QUÉBÉCOIS TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY DO
NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT LIVED 
REALITY OF MILLIONS OF CANADIANS
WHO FACE RACISM AND 
DISCRIMINATION DOES NOT EXIST.
SYSTEMIC RACISM AND 
DISCRIMINATION, WHY THEY BELIEVE
IT DOES NOT EXIST.
THERE ARE CANADIANS OF DIVERSE 
ORIGINS, SUCH AS THE LEADER OF 
THE NDP, WHO FACE DISCRIMINATION
AND KNOW THAT DISCRIMINATION 
EXISTS IN CANADA AND WHO MAY SAY
THINGS THAT MAKE SOME PEOPLE 
UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT THAT IS PART 
OF THE PROCESS THROUGH WHICH WE 
CAN MOVE FORWARD IN ORDER TO 
UNDERSTAND THERE IS A PROBLEM 
AND START TO TACKLE IT TOGETHER.
AND I HOPE THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS 
WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WE MUST 
WORK TOGETHER ON THIS IN ORDER 
TO ADDRESS THE INJURIOUS EFFECTS
OF SYSTEMIC RACISM.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> Reporter: I WANT TO GO BACK 
TO THE APP THAT YOU JUST 
ANNOUNCED, AND YOU SAID THAT THE
PRIVACY RF CANADIANS WILL BE 
FULLY EXPECTED.
I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THE
PRIVACY COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN 
INVOLVED WITH THIS NEW APP, AND 
IF HE HAS NOT, WILL THEY BE?
AND ALSO, DO YOU HAVE BUY-IN 
FROM ALL THE PROVINCES? 
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: THE 
PRIVACY COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN 
WORKED WITH ON THIS APP, IT IS 
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE
SURE THAT CANADIANS' PRIVACY IS 
PROTECTED, NOT JUST FOR THEIR 
SAKE BUT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT 
UPTAKE OF THIS APP WON'T BE 
THERE IF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED FOR 
THEIR PRIVACY.
THAT'S WHY IT FUNCTIONS ENTIRELY
ON AN ANONYMISED BASIS.
THERE IS NO IDENTIFIERS OF YOUR 
PHONE, OF YOUR NUMBER, OF YOUR 
IDENTITY, OF YOUR ADDRESS, OR 
EVEN OF YOUR LOCATION THAT IS 
ANY PART OF THIS APP.
A RANDOM CODE ASSOCIATED WITH 
YOUR PHONE WILL BE HELD IN A 
SECURE NATIONAL DATABASE THAT 
WILL BE CONSULTED BY THE APPS 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO SEE 
WHETHER THAT RANDOMIZED CODE HAS
TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID OR 
NOT.
IF IT HAS TESTED POSITIVE, YOUR 
PHONE WILL TELL YOU THAT, OH, 
YOU HAVE BEEN IN PROXIMITY WITH 
SOMEONE WHO SUBSEQUENTLY TESTED 
POSITIVE FOR COVID, SO YOU 
SHOULD PROBABLY CALL YOUR LOCAL 
HEALTH AUTHORITY.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
IT'S SUPER SIMPLE.
IT'S SUPER SECURE, AND WE'VE 
WORKED VERY, VERY CAREFULLY TO 
ENSURE THAT IT IS THAT WAY.
IT WILL BE AVAILABLE AS OF THE 
BEGINNING OF JULY RIGHT ACROSS 
THE COUNTRY.
THE APP IS THERE.
THE NATIONAL DATABASE OF 
ANONYMISED DATA IS THERE TO BE 
CONSULTED BY THE APP RIGHT 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THE THIRD PART OF THE APP IS 
INTEGRATION INTO THE LOCAL 
PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES SO THAT 
WHEN SOMEONE HAS TESTED 
POSITIVE, THAT THE APP IS 
NOTIFIED THAT THEY ARE TESTED 
POSITIVE.
THAT REQUIRES WORKING WITH THE 
PROVINCES ON THAT.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROVINCES 
ALREADY MOVED FORWARD ON THAT, 
BUT EVEN IF YOU'RE VISITING A 
PROVINCE THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE 
APP, YOU CAN STILL MAKE SURE 
THAT YOU'RE BEING PROTECTED 
BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE APP 
IN THAT PROVINCE, EVEN IF THEIR 
PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITY HASN'T 
SIGNED ON TO IT BUT WHO ARE IN 
CONTACT WITH SOMEONE FROM 
ONTARIO WHO THEN GOES BACK TO 
ONTARIO AND TESTS POSITIVE, 
THEY'LL BE NOTIFIED THAT THEY 
HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO 
HAD THE APP.
OBVIOUSLY IT WILL WORK BETTER 
ONCE ALL PROVINCES AND 
TERRITORIES ARE PART OF IT, 
BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM 
OTHER JURISDICTIONS IS WHEN YOU 
CAN HAVE ONE CLEAR EXTREMELY 
SIMPLE DOWNLOAD AND FORGET ABOUT
IT APP THAT IS TOTALLY SECURE 
AND COMPLETELY ANONYMISED AND 
YET AN EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE TOOL 
TO CONTINUE IN A SAFE REOPENING 
OF OUR ECONOMY, THE UPTAKE WILL 
BE QUITE HIGH RIGHT ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
THIS APPLICATION WILL BE 
AVAILABLE RIGHT ACROSS CANADA 
STARTING ON JULY 1.
THE NATIONAL REGISTRY OR THE 
NATIONAL DATA BANK OF ANONYMISED
DATA ASSOCIATED WITH EACH PHONE 
WILL BE IN PLACE, BUT WE NEED 
THE PROVINCES TO WORK WITH US SO
THAT PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS CAN
REGISTER A UNIQUE ANONYMOUS CODE
FOR SOMEONE WHO TESTED POSITIVE 
IN ORDER FOR THE PEOPLE THAT 
PERSON HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH 
TO RECEIVE AN ALERT TELLING THEM
THEY HAVE TO SPEAK TO THEIR 
LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES.
NOW EVEN IF YOU'RE IN A PROVINCE
WHERE THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN THE 
STEP OF ENSURING PUBLIC HEALTH 
NOTIFICATION, IF SOMEONE IS 
VISITING FROM ONTARIO, FOR 
EXAMPLE, AND YOU BOTH HAVE THE 
APPLICATION AND PROXIMITY HAS 
BEEN ESTABLISHED, WHEN THAT 
PERSON RETURNS TO ONTARIO AND 
TESTS POSITIVE AND THE 
APPLICATION SENDS A 
NOTIFICATION, EVEN IF THAT 
PROVINCE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT 
SYSTEM, YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED 
THAT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN IN 
CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO TESTED 
POSITIVE.
SO THIS IS A TOOL THAT WORKS 
MUCH BETTER WHEN ALL THE 
PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES ARE 
PART OF THE SYSTEM, BUT EVEN IF 
YOUR PROVINCE OR TERRITORY DOES 
NOT HAVE IT YET, ONCE IT STARTS 
IT WILL BE USEFUL TO HAVE AND WE
DO EXPECT THAT CANADIANS RIGHT 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY WILL GET ON 
BOARD, AS WELL AS PROVINCES AND 
TERRITORIES WHEN THEY SEE THAT 
IT IS A SIMPLE SYSTEM THAT CAN 
HELP THEM TO PROTECT THEIR OWN 
CITIZENS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> Reporter: OVER 100,000 PEOPLE
WHO HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH 
COVID-19, AND THERE IS STILL 
DISCREPANCIES ACROSS THE 
COUNTRY, EVEN WITHIN 
COMMUNITIES, AS TO WHERE AND 
WHEN YOU WEAR A MASK.
I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT 
YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS ANY REGRETS 
THAT WE DIDN'T ASK CANADIANS TO 
WEAR MASKS SOONER.
AS WE HEAD INTO A POSSIBLE 
SECOND WAVE, WHAT MORE CAN YOU 
DO TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WEAR 
MASKS WHEN THEY GO OUT?
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: I 
THINK IN THE FIRST MONTHS OF 
THIS COVID-19 PANDEMIC CRISIS WE
WERE VERY STRONGLY ENCOURAGING 
PEOPLE TO STAY HOME, TO NOT GO 
OUT AND TO KEEP VERY RIGIDLY 
SOCIALLY DISTANCED WHEN THEY DID
GO OUT FOR GROCERIES OR FOR 
WHATEVER REASONS THEY HAD TO GO 
OUT FOR.
WE WERE CONCERNED, I THINK 
PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES WERE 
CONCERNED THAT MASKS COULD GIVE 
A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY THAT 
MIGHT NOT ARREST THE SPREAD OF 
COVID-19 AS EFFECTIVELY AS BEING
PROPERLY ISOLATED ACTUALLY DID.
BUT NOW AS PEOPLE ARE 
RE-ENGAGING IN SOCIETY, AS WE 
HAVE SUCCEEDED IN FLATTENING THE
CURVE, THERE IS MORE OPPORTUNITY
FOR PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND WEAR A 
MASK AS THEY DO.
I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT
MASKS DO NOT PROTECT YOU AS MUCH
AS STAYING HOME WOULD OR AS 
KEEPING A FULL TWO METRES 
DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER, BUT IT
IS AN ADDITIONAL MEASURE THAT WE
SEE MORE AND MORE CANADIANS 
USING RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY 
IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM SAFE AND 
TO KEEP THEIR LOVED ONES SAFE.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
I BELIEVE THAT WHEN THE PANDEMIC
STARTED THE PRIORITY WAS TO KEEP
PEOPLE HOME BECAUSE THE BEST WAY
OF PREVENTING THE VIRUS FROM 
SPREADING WAS, IN FACT, TO KEEP 
PEOPLE AT HOME AND TO MAKE SURE 
THEY DIDN'T GO OUT UNLESS IT WAS
ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
SO THE IDEA THAT WEARING A MASK 
COULD GIVE PEOPLE A FALSE SENSE 
OF SECURITY OR PROTECTION WAS 
DEFINITELY A CONCERN FOR MANY 
PEOPLE IN PUBLIC HEALTH.
BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE SUCCEEDED 
IN FLATTENING THE CURVE IN A 
SIGNIFICANT MANNER RIGHT ACROSS 
THE COUNTRY, IN MOST LOCATIONS, 
AND WE'RE STARTING TO REOPEN THE
ECONOMY LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY 
AND PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO 
RETURN TO WORK, WE REALIZE THAT 
THE BEST WAY OF PREVENTING THE 
SPREAD IS TO STAY AT HOME AND 
PRACTICE PHYSICAL DISTANCING, 
BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT IS 
RECOMMENDED TO WEAR A MASK IF 
YOU ARE GOING TO BE CLOSE TO 
PEOPLE, BECAUSE THAT CAN 
CONTINUE TO LIMIT THE SPREAD OF 
COVID-19 WITHOUT MAKING YOU 
INVULNERABLE, OF COURSE, SO THAT
HAS TO BE KEPT IN MIND.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT 
MORE PEOPLE NOW WHO ARE WEARING 
MASKS WHEN THEY ARE GOING INTO 
PUBLIC OR WHEN THEY ARE NEXT TO 
OTHERS, AND THEY MAY KEEP THEIR 
MASK IN THEIR POCKET AND PUT IT 
ON WHEN THEY GO INTO A STORE, 
BUT IT'S UP TO PEOPLE TO DO 
THIS, AND THIS IS THE KIND OF 
BEHAVIOUR THAT WILL HELP US TO 
FIGHT COVID-19.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> Rosemary: ALL RIGHT, THAT IS 
THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA ON 
THIS THURSDAY.
THE PRIMARY ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY 
AROUND A CONTACT TRACING APP 
THAT IS CALLED COVID SHIELD.
IT IS -- IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED 
BY VOLUNTEERS WHO WORK AT 
SHOPIFY.
IT IS NOT A SHOPIFY APP, BUT 
MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE 
WORKED UP THIS APP AND THAT THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOW 
CHOSEN DO IN FACT WORK FOR THE 
COMPANY SHOPIFY, THE CANADIAN 
COMPANY.
I'LL BRING IN MY COLLEAGUES, THE
HOST OF "POWER & POLITICS", 
VASSY KAPELOS, AND THE CBC'S 
CATHERINE CULLEN JOINING US 
TODAY AS WELL TO TALK MORE ABOUT
THAT.
AS I TWEETED, THE PRIME MINISTER
HAD A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THE APP.
YOU COULD SEE THAT HE WAS VERY 
INTO EXPLAINING IT AND HAD 
CLEARLY BEEN VERY INTERESTED IN 
IT HIMSELF, I WOULD SAY, GIVEN 
ALL HE HAD TO SAY.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT 
MAYBE PRIVACY CONCERNS HE TRIED 
TO ADDRESS VERY DIRECTLY TOO, 
VASSY, AROUND THESE KINDS OF 
THINGS. 
>> Vassy: YEAH, AND THOSE PRICES
CONCERNS HAVE BEEN FLAGGED EVEN 
ACTUALLY IN EARLY MAY BEFORE 
COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS FROM THE PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONER IN THIS COUNTRY.
HE DID TRY TO ADDRESS THEM AND 
INSISTED THAT THE DATA WOULD BE 
TOTALLY ANONYMOUS, THAT 
BASICALLY THERE'S NO LOCATION 
SERVICES EVEN.
IT WILL ALL BE COLLECTED INTO A 
SAFE PLACE, YOU KNOW, A FEDERAL 
SORT OF DATA BANK, AND THE WAY 
IN WHICH THE APP WORKS IS NOT SO
MUCH TO, LIKE, TRACK YOUR 
LOCATION BUT BASICALLY YOU'LL 
GET A NOTIFICATION IF SOMEONE 
YOU HAVE BEEN NEAR HAS TESTED 
POSITIVE, AND THEN IT WILL JUST 
TELL YOU TO GIVE PUBLIC HEALTH A
CALL.
IT DOES RELY ON COOPERATION WITH
PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES, AND 
THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S
AN AGREEMENT WITH ONTARIO TO 
KIND OF START THE ROLLOUT IN 
THAT PROVINCE, AND THEN THE 
PRIME MINISTER SAID THAT HE 
EXPECTS OTHER PROVINCES TO 
CONTINUE.
A COUPLE OF THINGS -- I MEAN, 
I'M BY NO MEANS A TECHNOLOGICAL 
EXPERT, NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IT.
I DID LISTEN TO SOME OF WHAT 
WAS -- SOME OF THE TESTIMONY 
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, AND THERE 
WERE CONCERNS IN MAY THAT IT WAS
NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SOME DEGREE
TO MAKE IT COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS.
SO I AM INTERESTED IN LEARNING 
MORE.
I KNOW THAT THE PRIME MINISTER 
INSISTS THAT IT WILL BE 
ANONYMOUS, BUT THAT DATA IS 
STORED SOMEWHERE, AND I THINK 
THAT THERE ARE STILL SOME 
CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
HE ALSO DID SAY THAT THE 
GOVERNMENT HAD CONSULTED THE 
PRIVACY COMMISSIONER IN THE 
DEVELOPMENT OF THIS.
AS OF MAY, WHEN THE PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONER -- EARLY MAY, I 
SHOULD SAY, WHEN THE PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONER DID TESTIFY BEFORE 
THE COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS, HE HAD NOT, AT THAT 
POINT.
I THINK THE DAY WAS MAY 6, BEEN 
CONSULTED YET ON THE DEVELOPMENT
OF THE APP.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF TIME HAS 
PASSED SINCE THEN, SO IT WILL BE
INTERESTING AS WELL TO HEAR HIS 
REMARKS ON THE EFFORTS 
UNDERTAKEN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE BLACKBERRY AND 
SHOPIFY ARE BOTH INVOLVED.
TO TRY AND STRENGTHEN PRIVACY, 
THE SORT OF PRIVACY CONSTRAINTS 
AROUND THIS APP.
IF I COULD, I ALSO WANTED TO 
TOUCH ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS 
THE PRIME MINISTER GOT ON THE 
U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL VOTE, 
BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME 
THAT WE HEARD FROM THE PRIME 
MINISTER SINCE THE OUTCOME OF 
THAT VOTE.
CANADA, OF COURSE, IN THE FIRST 
ROUND LOST ITS BID FOR ONE OF 
THE TWO NON-PERMANENT SEATS, 
BOTH NORWAY AND IRELAND WERE 
ABLE TO CLINCH THEIR VICTORIES 
IN ROUND ONE.
I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING TO 
LISTEN TO HIM AND ALSO MINISTER 
CHAMPAGNE, THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS 
MINISTER YESTERDAY, BECAUSE THEY
WERE VERY SIMILAR IN THEIR 
RESPONSE, AND THEIR RESPONSE IS 
BASICALLY WE CAME LATE TO THE 
GAME AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO 
KEEP -- AND VERY MUCH 
SYNTHESIZING IT, BUT WE'RE GOING
TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE DID OVER 
THE PAST FEW YEARS AND DURING 
THIS CAMPAIGN, AND THIS DOESN'T 
MEAN WE'RE GOING TO DISENGAGE 
FROM THE WORLD.
WE STILL BELIEVE VERY MUCH IN 
MULTILATERALISM.
WHAT IS LACKING FROM THOSE 
ANSWERS AND HIGHLIGHTED, FOR 
EXAMPLE, YESTERDAY BY STEPHEN 
LEWIS, CANADA'S FORMER 
AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N., IS ANY 
KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT 
CANADA'S FOREIGN POLICY AS IT 
EXISTS RIGHT NOW, OR SOME OF THE
ACTIONS THAT THE LIBERALS HAVE 
TAKEN THAT MIGHT NOT MEASURE UP 
TO THEIR RHETORIC, ACCORDING TO 
THEIR CRITICS, CONTRIBUTED IN 
ANY WAY TO THIS OUTCOME.
AND I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING 
IN BOTH THE CASE OF MINISTER 
CHAMPAGNE AND THE PRIME MINISTER
THAT THERE WAS NO 
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT PERHAPS 
CANADA HAD FALLEN SHORT OR SOME 
OF ITS FOREIGN POLICY IS FALLING
SHORT AND THAT THERE EVEN WILL 
BE A REVIEW OF THAT GOING 
FORWARD.
INSTEAD THERE WAS A LOT OF 
DEFERENCE TO SORT OF THE 
TECHNICAL PARTS OF THE CAMPAIGN,
WHICH I'M NOT SAYING ARE TO BE 
DISMISSED.
THERE IS A CASE TO BE AHEAD FOR 
COMING LATE TO THE GAME, MOST 
CERTAINLY, AND THE STRENGTHS OF 
OUR COMPETITORS.
BUT IT IS, I THINK, SOMETHING TO
NOTE THAT RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS AT 
LEAST THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF
REFLECTION BEING DONE ABOUT WHAT
OUR OWN GOVERNMENT'S 
CONTRIBUTION TO THAT LOSS MIGHT 
HAVE BEEN.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, THAT'S A FAIR
POINT.
CERTAINLY NOT PUBLICLY, ANYWAY, 
THAT THEY ARE TALKING IN ANY 
IN-DEPTH WAY ABOUT WHETHER THERE
ARE THINGS THAT NOW NEED TO BE 
IMPROVED IN LIGHT OF THE WAY THE
VOTE TURNED YESTERDAY.
CATHERINE, MAYBE I'LL GET YOU TO
WEIGH IN ON SOME OF THE 
QUESTIONS AROUND THE BLOC 
QUÉBÉCOIS AND THE NDP LEADER 
JAGMEET SINGH, BECAUSE WE DID 
HEAR FROM THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS 
LEADER EARLIER THIS MORNING, 
SAYING THAT HE DID EXPECT 
JAGMEET SINGH TO APOLOGIZE FOR 
CALLING ONE OF HIS M.P.S, ALAIN 
THERRIEN, A RACIST. 
>> AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO 
HAPPEN.
THAT IS CLEAR FROM SPEAKING WITH
MEMBERS OF THE NDP AND FRANKLY 
ANYBODY WHO WATCHED JAGMEET 
SINGH'S PRESS CONFERENCE 
YESTERDAY OR HEARD ANY OF THE 
CLIPS FROM IT, HIS ANGER, HIS 
SADNESS, THE EMOTION HE FELT 
ABOUT WHAT HE SAW ALAIN THERRIEN
DOING, NOT ONLY THE MOTION 
ITSELF, BUT THE PHYSICAL MOTION,
WHAT HE PERCEIVED AS A 
DISMISSIVE GESTURE THAT 
MR. THERRIEN MADE.
JAGMEET SINGH IS CERTAINLY NOT 
INTERESTED IN ANY WAY IN 
APOLOGIZING FOR WHAT HE SAID.
I KNOW THERE WERE SOME FOLKS IN 
THE NDP WHO RAISED PERHAPS AN 
EYEBROW LISTENING TO 
MR. BLANCHET THIS MORNING TALK 
ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE HAS BEEN 
INUNDATED WITH TWEETS CALLING 
HIM A RACIST, MR. BLANCHET 
MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE MAJORITY
ENGLISH TWEETS.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE AROUND 
JAGMEET SINGH WHO HAVE SEEN THE 
RACISM THAT HE EXPERIENCES, I 
IMAGINE BOTH ONLINE AND IN 
PERSON, ARE PERHAPS NOT 
OVERWHELMED WITH SYMPATHY FOR 
MR. BLANCHET AT THIS MOMENT.
IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW 
THE PRIME MINISTER HANDLED ALL 
THIS, ROSEMARY.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT HE 
DID, I THINK IT'S JUST OVER A 
WEEK AGO NOW, TAKING A KNEE ON 
PARLIAMENT HILL AT THAT 
ANTI-RACISM RALLY, I THINK IT 
WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT FOR 
HIM TO DISMISS JAGMEET SINGH'S 
CONCERNS, AND THAT CERTAINLY 
WASN'T WHAT HE DID TODAY.
HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO 
LISTEN.
THIS IS AN UNCOMFORTABLE MOMENT,
THINGS ARE CHANGING AND THAT'S 
GOING TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO BE 
UNCOMFORTABLE.
HE DIDN'T GO SO FAR TO SAY THAT 
HE WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTS 
JAGMEET SINGH IN CALLING ALAIN 
THERRIEN A RACIST.
THE PRIME MINISTER DID SAY 
REPEATEDLY THAT -- HE TRIED TO 
PUT SOME BLAME ON THE BLOC BY 
SAYING THAT THEY ARE NOT 
ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SYSTEMIC 
RACISM EXISTS.
IN FACT, THAT IS NOT WHAT BLOC 
LEADER YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET IS
SAYING.
HE SAYS HE BELIEVES IN SYSTEMIC 
RACISM.
PERHAPS THE DEFINITION THAT HE 
IS PUTTING FORWARD OF THAT, THAT
IT IS ESSENTIALLY A VESTIGE OF 
MANY, MANY YEARS AGO THAT MIGHT 
STILL EXIST IN SOME PLACES, IN 
SOME INSTITUTIONS, SOME PEOPLE 
MIGHT NOT BE SATISFIED WITH 
THAT, BUT HE'S NOT DENYING ITS 
EXISTENCE.
I KNOW FROM SPEAKING WITH THE 
NDP TODAY, THOUGH, THEIR FOCUS, 
THEY DON'T REALLY WANT IT TO BE 
PRIMARILY ON THE BLOC TODAY.
THEY -- JAGMEET SINGH IS GOING 
TO BE IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS 
TODAY.
WE'RE TOLD THAT IS THE PLAN, AND
THEY PLAN TO FOCUS THEIR 
ATTENTION ON THE LIBERALS.
WHEN JAGMEET SINGH TALKED ABOUT 
YESTERDAY WHY HE WAS SO UPSET 
ABOUT THIS, HE SPOKE ABOUT THE 
CONTEXT IN WHICH IT WAS ALL 
HAPPENING, NOT JUST THE GESTURE 
ITSELF, BUT THAT WE ARE AT A 
TIME WHERE WE ARE SEEING ALL OF 
THESE PAINFUL EXAMPLES OF BE IT 
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, BLACK PEOPLE,
PEOPLE OF COLOUR, LOSING THEIR 
HANDS AT THE LIVES OF POLICE AND
THE NEED FOR ACTION.
THE NDP HAS BEEN PUSHING THE 
PRIME MINISTER TO DO MORE THAN 
TAKE A KNEE.
THE PRIME MINISTER SAID TODAY 
THERE ARE CONCRETE THINGS 
COMING.
THE NDP IS REALLY I THINK GOING 
TO FOCUS IN ON ENSURING THAT 
THERE IS SOME OF THAT ACTION AND
THAT WE SEE IT IMMEDIATELY, 
KEEPING THEIR FOCUS ON THE 
GOVERNMENT AND NOT ANOTHER 
OPPOSITION PARTY.
>> Rosemary: RIGHT, AND TRYING 
TO MOVE IT PROBABLY AWAY FROM 
THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF 
JAGMEET SINGH AND INTO THE 
POLICY CONVERSATION AROUND IT.
OKAY, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO 
BOTH OF YOU IF YOU DON'T MIND.
JUST QUICKLY GET SOME REACTION 
TO THIS ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE 
PRIME MINISTER ABOUT THIS 
CONTACT TRACING APP THAT IS MADE
IN CANADA.
CLAUDIA POPEA IS A CYBERSECURITY
EXPERT WITH DATA RISK CANADA AND
AUTHOR OF THE CANADIAN 
CYBERFRAUD HANDBOOK.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TIME.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH YOU HEARD 
THERE FROM THE PRIME MINISTER, 
BUT HE WENT INTO A LOT OF 
DETAIL, I THOUGHT, ABOUT HOW THE
APP WILL WORK AND WHY HE THINKS 
IT SHOULD ALLAY SOME CONCERNS 
FOR CANADIANS.
SO I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH 
SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO GET YOUR
TAKE.
FIRST OF ALL, THE FACT THAT IT 
WILL NOT HAVE GEOTAGING OF ANY 
SORT, THAT IT WILL, IN FACT, 
WORK THROUGH A BLUETOOTH 
OPERATION.
THIS IS SORT OF WHAT IT WOULD 
LOOK LIKE.
I'M JUST SHOWING PEOPLE ON THEIR
SCREEN.
>> RIGHT.
>> Rosemary: HOW REASSURING IS 
THAT TO YOU, THE FACT THAT YOU 
WOULD ONLY HAVE TO HAVE YOUR 
BLUETOOTH ON TO KNOW THAT YOUR 
PHONE HAS BEEN NEAR SOMEONE WHO 
WAS EXPOSED TO COVID?
>> SO I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO 
GO.
IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST WESTERN 
COUNTRIES ARE ADOPTING THIS 
BLUETOOTH APPROACH, AND AGAIN, 
IN THINKING ONE OR TWO STEPS 
AHEAD, WE WANT TO HAVE THE 
POSSIBILITY OF INTERNATIONAL 
ROAMING, SO THAT WOULD OPEN UP 
TRAVEL FASTER, AND IT WOULD 
ENSURE THAT COMPATIBLE CONTACT 
TRACING APPS ACROSS BORDERS ARE 
ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SAME 
UTILITY, THE SAME INFORMATION TO
USERS WITHOUT HAVING DIFFERENCE 
IN THE WAY THAT THEY ENFORCE AND
PROTECT PRIVACY.
SO THAT'S GREAT, BECAUSE THAT'S 
A WAY TO STANDARDIZE ON A WAY TO
NOT DEPEND ON LOCATION DATA.
IT'S REALLY PROXIMITY AND NOT 
LOCATION.
>> Rosemary: OF COURSE YOUR 
BLUETOOTH WOULD HAVE TO BE ON, I
WOULD IMAGINE, IN ORDER FOR IT 
TO WORK, SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO
TURN IT ON.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Rosemary: THE PRIME MINISTER 
WAS QUITE INSISTENT THAT THERE 
WOULD BE NO PERSONAL INFORMATION
HELD, THAT THERE WOULD BE 
ANONYMOUS CODING AROUND THE 
PLACES WHERE PEOPLE HAD TESTED 
POSITIVE -- OR THE PEOPLE, THE 
PHONES, I GUESS, THAT REGISTERED
POSITIVE TESTS FOR COVID-19.
HOW SHOULD PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT 
THAT, THE FACT THAT THAT WOULD 
BE HELD BY THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT AND THAT THERE WOULD 
BE NO -- ANY -- ACCORDING TO THE
PRIME MINISTER, THERE WOULD BE 
NO IDENTIFIERS ATTACHED TO THAT.
>> WELL, IF THERE ARE NO 
IDENTIFIERS ATTACHED, THEN 
IDENTITIES ARE PROTECTED.
IT'S ALWAYS WORSE -- I MEAN, THE
DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.
IT'S ALWAYS WORTH HAVING AN 
INDEPENDENT VIEW OF HOW THE 
APPLICATION IS DESIGNED, HOW 
IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED.
AGAIN, WE DEPEND ON OUR PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONERS.
WE CERTAINLY RESPECT THEIR 
OPINION, AND CERTAINLY IF 
PRIVACY COMMISSIONERS, 
ESPECIALLY THE FEDERAL PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONER, COULD ENDORSE THE 
APPLICATION, IT WOULD REALLY GO 
A LONG WAY TOWARDS THE TRUST 
LEVEL THAT THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE 
IN ANY APP, ANY CONTACT TRACING 
APP, NOT JUST THIS ONE, BUT 
PERHAPS THE ALBERTA ONE AS WELL.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE PUBLIC 
DOESN'T HAVE VISIBILITY INTO HOW
THIS IS IMPLEMENTED.
THEY DON'T HAVE A TECHNICAL 
UNDERSTANDING.
THEY DON'T HAVE A CLEAR 
UNDERSTANDING OF PRIVACY EITHER,
SO IT WOULD REALLY HELP IF IT 
WERE INDEPENDENTLY VALIDATED, 
AND CERTAINLY IF THE PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONER COULD WEIGH IN ON 
IT.
>> Rosemary: YEAH, SO IT DOES 
SOUND LIKE HE'S BEEN CONSULTED, 
SO WE'LL WAIT AND SEE WHAT HIS 
ASSESSMENT IS OF IT.
THERE HAVE BEEN SUGGESTIONS BY 
THE CANADA RESEARCH CHAIR IN 
INFORMATION LAW AND POLICY, FOR 
INSTANCE, THAT YOU NEED ABOUT 
60% UPTAKE IN THESE APPS FOR IT 
TO MAKE ANY SORT OF DIFFERENCE.
THE PRIME MINISTER SAID, LISTEN,
ANY LEVEL OF UPTAKE WOULD BE 
USEFUL.
I'M SURE THAT'S TRUE, BUT WHAT 
DO YOU THINK AROUND THAT, 
AROUND, FIRST OF ALL, WHETHER 
THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT 
UPTAKE, THE FACT THAT IT'S A 
NATIONAL -- IT WILL BE AT SOME 
POINT A NATIONAL APP.
WILL THAT HELP WITH THE UPTAKE 
AND PEOPLE'S BUY-IN?
>> I THINK WE NEED TO GET AWAY 
FROM THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO 
HAVE ALL THE DATA.
SO I AGREE WITH THE PRIME 
MINISTER.
ANY INFORMATION IS GREAT TO 
HAVE.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO COLLECT ALL
THE INFORMATION AND DERIVE ALL 
SORTS OF TRENDS FROM IT.
WE'RE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE STAY
AWAY FROM SITUATIONS THAT WOULD 
HELP SPREAD THIS DISEASE.
SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
IF THERE'S A HERD IMMUNITY LEVEL
FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ADOPTING
THE APPLICATION, FINE.
BUT WE SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY 
CONSIDER IT USELESS OR THINK 
THAT IT HAS LESS VALUE SIMPLY 
BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT REACHED 60% 
OR EVEN 20%.
AGAIN, WE'RE IN A SOCIETY WHERE 
WE PLACE AN EMPHASIS ON OPT-IN 
RATHER THAN OPT-OUT.
WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE 
CHOICE, AND THAT'S HOW WE BUILD 
TRUST.
>> Rosemary: WELL, IT DID SEEM 
TO ME, TOO, WHEN THE PRIME 
MINISTER DESCRIBED IT THAT 
THE -- EVEN THE LEVEL OF OPTING 
IN IS PRETTY LOW, RIGHT?
YOU JUST HAVE TO DOWNLOAD IT, 
AND THEN IF YOU TEST POSITIVE, 
OBVIOUSLY REGISTER THAT.
BUT I REMEMBER TALKING TO, FOR 
INSTANCE, THE DEVELOPERS OF THE 
MILA APP WHICH ULTIMATELY THE 
GOVERNMENT CHOSE NOT TO GO WITH,
AND IT WAS EXTENSIVE AND THERE 
WAS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND 
IT WOULD TELL YOU HOW HEALTHY 
YOU WERE.
IT WAS REALLY A LOT, IT SEEMED 
TO ME, THAT CANADIANS WERE GOING
TO HAVE TO BUY IN HERE.
THE FACT THAT IT'S REALLY JUST 
DOWNLOAD IT AND SAY IF YOU'VE 
TESTED POSITIVE, DO YOU THINK 
THAT WILL HELP ALLAY SOME 
PEOPLE'S CONCERNS AND PERHAPS 
ENCOURAGE UPTAKE?
>> OH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE WITH 
SYMPTOMS, IF THEY GO TO HEALTH 
CARE ORGANIZATIONS AND THE 
ORGANIZATIONS SAY, LOOK, YOU'RE 
POSITIVE, PLEASE INSTALL THIS 
APP, DON'T WORRY IF IT'S 
DEIDENTIFIED AND LIKELY TO BE 
ANONYMOUS, JUST BY ENSURING THAT
PEOPLE WHO HAVE TESTED POSITIVE 
WANT TO LET OTHER PEOPLE KNOW 
THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE 
GOTTEN IT FROM THEIR OWN 
ENVIRONMENT, I THINK THAT IS A 
DRAW FOR OTHERS TO INSTALL THE 
APP AND HAVE ACCESS TO THAT 
INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULDN'T 
OTHERWISE HAVE.
I THINK THAT MAKES A STRONG CASE
FOR PEOPLE ADOPTING IT, BUT 
FIRST THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO 
TRUST IT.
>> Rosemary: SO WHAT ARE YOUR 
CONCERNS, THEN?
WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU'RE GOING
TO WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT 
MOVING FORWARD.
OBVIOUSLY ONTARIO IS GIVING A 
BRIEFING AT 1:00.
IT IS THE FIRST PROVINCE TESTING
IT OUT AND THEY'LL HAVE MORE 
INFORMATION, BUT WHAT WOULD YOU 
LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT TO BE 
FULLY CONVINCED?
>> WELL, I'M ON BOARD WITH THE 
RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONERS.
I SAW THAT A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE
BEEN PUT FORWARD IN THE PAST FEW
DAYS, AND SPECIFICALLY THEY'VE 
TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO ONLY 
STORE INFORMATION FOR AS LONG AS
ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
>> Rosemary: RIGHT.
>> THE NEED TO ANONYMISE AND 
DEIDENTIFY INFORMATION, THE NEED
TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO MAKE THEIR 
OWN DECISION AS TO WHETHER THEY 
ARE GOING TO BE DEPLOYING THIS 
APPLICATION.
WE'VE SEEN ANY NUMBER OF 
GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD 
WHERE THIS IS FORCED UPON THE 
POPULATION, WHERE NOBODY'S TOLD 
WHAT TRENDS ARE BEING BUILT AND 
WHAT DATA MINING TAKES PLACE.
WE'VE SEEN THE USE OF ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE AND BIG DATA BEING 
USED AROUND THE WORLD, AND OF 
COURSE THE P.R. MOVEMENT TOWARDS
JUST HOW BENEFICIAL THIS IS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE 
AFTER.
WE SHOULD BE AFTER HELPING 
INDIVIDUALS AND INCREASING 
PUBLIC HEALTH WHILE BALANCING 
AND MAXIMIZING PUBLIC TRUST.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU SO MUCH 
FOR GIVING US YOUR QUICK AND 
FIRST ASSESSMENT OF HOW THIS 
MIGHT WORK AND WHETHER IT'S 
SAFE, AND WE'LL STAND BY AND 
HOPE TO HEAR FROM THE PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONER THROUGH THE DAY AS 
WELL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, I APPRECIATE 
IT.
CLAUDE IU POPA JOINED US TODAY.
MAYBE I'LL JUST SHOW YOU, IF I 
CAN, ONE MORE TIME WHAT THIS APP
WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AS I SAID, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR 
MORE FROM THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT
AT 1:00 ABOUT THE PILOT PROJECT 
ESSENTIALLY THAT WILL HAPPEN IN 
THIS PROVINCE.
YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE MIDDLE 
OF YOUR SCREEN THE ALERT YOU 
WOULD GET, MUCH LIKE A NEWS 
ALERT, I SUPPOSE, THAT MIGHT POP
UP ON YOUR PHONE THAT WOULD TELL
YOU YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO 
THIS BECAUSE YOUR BLUETOOTH ON 
YOUR PHONE HAS BEEN IN VICINITY 
OF SOMEONE WHO HAS NOW TESTED 
POSITIVE FOR COVID-19, AND THEN 
OF COURSE YOU WOULD DECIDE 
WHETHER YOU NEED TO TAKE A TEST,
I GUESS.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK 
LIKE, A FAIRLY BASIC AMOUNT OF 
INFORMATION.
THE PRIME MINISTER ALSO JUST 
REALLY REITERATING THE POINT 
THAT HE BELIEVES THAT THIS WILL 
KEEP INFORMATION ANONYMOUS.
SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO 
SAY IN ONTARIO AT 1:00 ABOUT 
THAT, AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT 
UNFOLDS AND WHAT PRIVACY 
COMMISSIONERS, TOO, HAVE TO SAY 
IN TERMS OF HOW IT WOULD KEEP 
CANADIANS' DATA PROTECTED. 
>>> EARLIER THIS MONTH, AS WE 
AWAIT THIS NEXT PRESS CONFERENCE
AND MY COLLEAGUES STAND BY, THE 
LIBERAL GOVERNMENT PROMISED A 
ONE-TIME PAYMENT OF UP TO $600 
TO HELP CANADIANS LIVING WITH 
DISABILITIES IN THE MIDST OF 
THIS PANDEMIC.
THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS 
INTENDED TO PUT THAT IN PLACE 
DID NOT GO FORWARD LAST WEEK 
BECAUSE OF THE OPPOSITION 
PARTIES.
IT DIDN'T GET ENOUGH SUPPORT, 
AND SO FOR NOW THIS IS -- THEY 
ARE TRYING TO WORK OUT ANOTHER 
WAY TO GET MONEY TO CANADIANS 
WHO ARE LIVING WITH 
DISABILITIES.
KRISTA CARR IS THE EXECUTIVE 
VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE CANADIAN 
ASSOCIATION FOR COMMUNITY LIVING
AND SHE JOINS ME NOW.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, 
MS. CARR. 
>> YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU FOR ASKING ME.
>> Rosemary: SO THE LEGISLATION 
UNFORTUNATELY DID NOT GET PASSED
LAST WEEK, AND I SAY 
UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE MANY 
CANADIANS WITH DISABILITIES HAVE
TWEETED ME SAYING THAT THEY DO 
NEED SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY, AND 
I CERTAINLY KNOW THE GOVERNMENT 
IS COMMITTED TO GETTING IT TO 
THEM, BUT IT IS GOING TO TAKE A 
LITTLE BIT LONGER.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN JUST TELL ME 
WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM PEOPLE 
ABOUT HOW QUICKLY AND HOW MUCH 
THEY NEED THIS ADDITIONAL 
SUPPORT.
>> WELL, I GUESS FROM THE 
BEGINNING OF THIS PANDEMIC, AS 
NATIONAL DISABILITY 
ORGANIZATIONS, WE'VE JUST BEEN 
OVERRUN WITH CALLS OF PEOPLE 
WITH DISABILITIES IN CRISIS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND 
THAT SO MANY PEOPLE WITH A 
DISABILITY ALREADY LIVE IN 
PRECARIOUS SITUATIONS, LIVE IN 
POVERTY, LIVE, YOU KNOW, AS A 
WORKING POOR, FACE 
DISCRIMINATION AND LACK OF 
SUPPORT ON SO MANY LEVELS, AND 
THIS PANDEMIC HAS JUST BASICALLY
TAKEN THAT TO A WHOLE OTHER 
LEVEL OF CRISIS, INCLUDING 
FAMILIES OF CHILDREN WITH 
DISABILITIES.
AND SO WE'VE ADVOCATED SINCE THE
VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PANDEMIC 
AS NATIONAL DISABILITY 
ORGANIZATIONS FOR FINANCIAL 
SUPPORT TO ASSIST CANADIANS WITH
DISABILITIES IN THEIR FAMILIES.
>> Rosemary: AND THE $600, 
AGAIN, I HAVE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE
REACH OUT, ONE GENTLEMAN IN 
PARTICULAR SAID TO ME THIS WILL 
ACTUALLY MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
WHAT WOULD THAT ADDITIONAL 
SUPPORT BE NEEDED FOR RIGHT NOW?
IS IT THE SAME KINDS OF THINGS 
THAT, FOR INSTANCE, SENIORS ARE 
HAVING TO USE AS WELL, 
ADDITIONAL TRANSPORTATION, 
DELIVERIES, THAT KIND OF THING?
>> YES, MANY OF THE SAME THINGS.
PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT 
FOR YOURSELF AND FOR YOUR -- THE
PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT YOU.
MANY PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES 
HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF
THEIR HOMES ON A REGULAR BASIS 
TO PROVIDE SUPPORT.
IT'S ADDITIONAL COST OF 
GROCERIES.
IT'S DELIVERIES.
IT'S NOT BEING ABLE TO USE 
PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ANYMORE, 
AND EVEN MANY OF THE IN-KIND 
SERVICES THAT EXIST WITHIN 
COMMUNITIES THAT PEOPLE WITH 
DISABILITIES RELY ON, LIKE YOU 
KNOW WI-FI ACCESS AT LIBRARIES 
OR TIM HORTONS OR FOOD BANKS 
THAT PROVIDE THEM ADDITIONAL 
GROCERIES, MANY OF THOSE HAVE 
EITHER CLOSED DOWN, EVEN MANY 
FOOD BANKS HAVE CLOSED DOWN OR 
DO NOT HAVE THE LEVEL OF FOOD 
AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE.
AND SO THERE ARE JUST VARYING 
LEVELS OF ALL KINDS OF 
ADDITIONAL EXPENSES, ADDITIONAL 
COSTS OF SERVICES AND SUPPORTS 
AND WORKERS AND PAYING WORKERS 
TO ONLY WORK WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL
AS OPPOSED TO WORKING IN OTHER 
LOCATIONS SO THAT THEY CAN HELP 
THEMSELVES STAY SAFE OR THEIR 
FAMILIES STAY SAFE.
>> Rosemary: SO THE WAY THE 
GOVERNMENT WAS GOING TO IDENTIFY
HOW TO GET THIS MONEY TO THE 
PEOPLE THAT NEEDED IT WAS 
THROUGH THE DISABILITY TAX 
CREDIT AND THE INFORMATION OF 
WHO BENEFITS FROM THAT, WHO HAS 
ACCESS TO IT.
BUT I KNOW THAT YOU AND OTHERS 
HAVE CONCERNS THAT THAT MAYBE 
DOESN'T HIT EVERYBODY, THAT THE 
DISABILITY TAX CREDIT IN ITSELF 
IS MAYBE NOT A BROAD ENOUGH 
SWATH OF PEOPLE.
>> YES, SO I THINK THE FIRST 
THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE 
ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE FINANCIAL 
SUPPORT TO PEOPLE WITH 
DISABILITIES WAS CERTAINLY A 
WELCOME FIRST STEP, AND A 
RELIEF, I GUESS, ON THE PART OF 
THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY THAT 
THERE WAS A RECOGNITION BY THE 
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT THIS WAS
A COMMUNITY IN NEED.
AND WE'VE SEEN ALL KINDS OF 
PAYMENTS GO OUT THE DOOR TO 
OTHER POPULATIONS IN NEED AS 
WELL.
NOW HAVING SAID THAT, THE 
DISABILITY -- IT'S A BIT OF A 
COMPLICATED SITUATION BECAUSE 
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T 
HAVE A FINANCIAL INCOME 
RELATIONSHIP WITH CANADIANS WITH
DISABILITIES IN THE SAME WAY 
THEY DO, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH 
SENIORS THROUGH OLD AGE 
SECURITY.
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT DIRECT 
INCOME RELATIONSHIP, AND SO THEY
HAVE THE DISABILITY TAX CREDIT, 
THEY HAVE CANADA PENSION PLAN 
DISABILITY, THEY HAVE THE 
VETERANS WITH DISABILITIES 
BENEFIT AND SOME OTHER SMALL 
PERIPHERAL THINGS.
AND THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 6 
MILLION CANADIANS WITH A 
DISABILITY, AND 1.25 MILLION OF 
THEM QUALIFY FOR THE DISABILITY 
TAX CREDIT.
AND THAT'S 1.25 MILLION PEOPLE 
WHO ARE GOING TO GET DESPERATELY
NEEDED FINANCIAL SUPPORT, AND 
AGAIN AS I MENTIONED, WELCOMED, 
BUT IT DOES LEAVE OUT A 
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CANADIANS 
WITH A DISABILITY.
AND SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS, LIKE 
MINE AND OTHERS, HAVE ADVOCATED,
YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN ALTERNATE 
MECHANISM TO GET THE MONEY TO 
PEOPLE.
COULD WE DO A FEDERAL-PROVINCIAL
TRANSFER WHERE THE MONEY WOULD 
GO TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIVING 
ON DISABILITY INCOME ASSISTANCE 
IN THE PROVINCES AND 
TERRITORIES.
BUT OF COURSE THAT ALSO BRINGS 
DIFFICULTIES BECAUSE PROVINCIAL 
GOVERNMENTS HAVE SHOWN, WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF B.C. AND A COUPLE 
TERRITORIES, THAT BY AND LARGE 
THEY ARE CLAWING BACK AT LEAST 
PARTIALLY OR MOSTLY ALL OF ANY 
BENEFITS THUS FAR THAT PEOPLE 
WITH A DISABILITY LIVING ON 
INCOME ASSISTANCE IN THEIR 
PROVINCE AND TERRITORY ARE ABLE 
TO QUALIFY FOR.
AND SO 
FEDERAL-PROVINCIAL-TERRITORIAL 
RELATIONS ARE DIFFICULT, AND THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT I DON'T THINK
IS NOT ANXIOUS TO GET INTO A 
SITUATION WHERE THE MONEY 
WOULDN'T END UP IN THE HANDS OF 
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. 
>> Rosemary: OR TO NEGOTIATE 
WITH THE PROVINCES AGAIN FOR 
SHARED JURISDICTION.
MS. CARR, I HAVE BEEN TOLD THE 
GOVERNMENT IS STILL COMMITTED TO
DOING IT.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW AND OF
COURSE WHEN, SO WE'LL KEEP ON 
THE STORY.
I APPRECIATE IT SO THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
THAT'S KRISTA CARR IN 
FREDERICTON, EXECUTIVE 
VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE CANADIAN 
ASSOCIATION FOR COMMUNITY 
LIVING. 
>>> OKAY, LET'S TAKE YOU NOW 
HERE BACK TO OTTAWA WHERE WE ARE
GETTING OUR DAILY BRIEFING.
THIS IS THE CHIEF PUBLIC HEALTH 
OFFICER, DR. THERESA TAM.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR. TAM.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
NOW DR. HOWARD NJOO. 
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'LL BEGIN WITH AN UPDATE ON THE
LATEST NUMBERS FOR COVID-19 IN 
CANADA.
AS YOU KNOW, THESE FIGURES 
EVOLVE RAPIDLY AND ARE UPDATED 
IN THE EVENING ON 
CANADA.CA/CORONAVIRUS.
BASED ON YESTERDAY'S DATA, THERE
WERE 99,853 CONFIRMED CASES, 
INCLUDING 8,254 DEATHS AND 62% 
WHO HAVE NOW RECOVERED.
LABS ACROSS CANADA HAVE 
TESTED -- IN FACT, WE'VE ALREADY
GONE BEYOND 100,000 CASES.
LABS ACROSS CANADA HAVE TESTED 
OVER 2,254,481 PEOPLE FOR 
COVID-19 TO DATE.
OVER THE PAST WEEK, AN AVERAGE 
OF 36,000 PEOPLE WERE TESTED 
DAILY, WITH JUST OVER 1% TESTING
POSITIVE.
IN PARALLEL WITH THE COVID-19 
PANDEMIC, MANY COMMUNITIES 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY CONTINUE TO 
STRUGGLE WITH HISTORIC RATES OF 
DRUG OVERDOSE DEATHS AND 
SUBSTANCE USE-RELATED HARMS.
YESTERDAY WE RELEASED THE LATEST
AVAILABLE NATIONAL DATA THAT 
SHOWS THAT WE LOST 3,823 PEOPLE 
TO APPARENT OPIOID-RELATED 
OVERDOSE DEATHS IN CANADA IN 
2019.
THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WHO DIED 
WERE ADULT MALES.
OUR BROTHERS, FATHERS, FRIENDS 
AND NEIGHBOURS.
FROM THE NATIONAL DATA, WE SAW 
THE NUMBER OF DEATHS WERE ON THE
DECLINE IN THE SECOND HALF OF 
2019.
IN FACT, THE NUMBERS OF DEATHS 
REPORTED IN THE LAST TWO 
QUARTERS OF 2019 WERE THE LOWEST
THEY HAVE BEEN SINCE 2016.
THIS IS A SIGN THAT OUR 
COLLECTIVE ACTIONS TO ADDRESS 
THE DRUG OVERDOSE CRISIS HAD AN 
IMPACT.
SADLY WE ARE HEARING FROM 
PARTNERS ACROSS CANADA THAT 
OVERDOSES, INCLUDING FATAL 
OVERDOSES, ARE ON THE RISE AGAIN
IN MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY 
DURING THIS TIME OF COVID-19.
CHANGES IN THE ILLEGAL DRUG 
SUPPLY IN THE WAKE OF COVID-19 
MAY RESULT IN INCREASED RISK OF 
OVERDOSE FOR PERSONS WHO USE 
DRUGS.
WE KNOW THAT STIGMA STOPS PEOPLE
FROM REACHING OUT, AND USING 
DRUGS ALONE IS A MAJOR RISK 
FACTOR FOR EXPERIENCING A FATAL 
OVERDOSE.
PEOPLE WHO USE DRUGS MAY BE 
FEELING MORE ISOLATED AS A 
RESULT OF THE PHYSICAL 
DISTANCING MEASURES TO CONTROL 
COVID-19.
SO NOW MORE THAN EVER WE MUST 
MAINTAIN OUR RESOLVE TO WORK 
TOGETHER TO STOP 
OVERDOSE-RELATED HARMS.
REACH OUT TO YOUR LOVED ONES.
CONNECT WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND 
CHECK ON YOUR NEIGHBOURS SO THAT
THEY KNOW YOU ARE THERE TO 
SUPPORT THEM.
HEALTH CARE AND THE PUBLIC 
HEALTH AGENCY OF CANADA ARE ALSO
INCREASING SUPPORTS FOR PEOPLE 
WHO USE DRUGS.
WE ARE FOCUSED ON INCREASING 
ACCESS TO TREATMENT AND HARM 
REDUCTION SERVICES, MAKING IT 
EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS THE 
MEDICATIONS THEY NEED, INCLUDING
AS A SAFER ALTERNATIVE TO THE 
HIGHLY TOXIC STREET DRUG SUPPLY.
I ENCOURAGE HEALTH CARE 
PROVIDERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO 
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE OPTIONS 
THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE 
CARE FOR YOUR PATIENTS WHO USE 
DRUGS BY VISITING THE COVID-19 
AND SUBSTANCE USE TOOL KIT NOW 
AVAILABLE ONLINE AT CANADA.CA.
WE KNOW THAT THERE IS MORE WE 
CAN DO TO PREVENT DRUG-RELATED 
HARMS AND OVERDOSE DEATHS AS WE 
LEARN TO LIVE WITH COVID-19.
TOGETHER WE CAN TACKLE THESE 
DUAL PUBLIC HEALTH CRISES AND 
SAVE LIVES IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS
OUR COUNTRY.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, DR. NJOO.
[ End of Interpretation ]
NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM THE MINISTER
OF INDIGENOUS SERVICES, MARC 
MILLER.
>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS 
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TODAY, AND 
FIRST LET ME GIVE A QUICK UPDATE
ON THE PROGRESS WE CONTINUE TO 
SEE IN FLATTENING THE COVID-19 
CURVE IN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES.
AS OF JUNE 19, WE HAVE CONFIRMED
263 CASES OF COVID-19 ON FIRST 
NATIONS RESERVES.
OF THOSE, 213 HAVE RECOVERED.
I'M PLEASED TO REPORT, AGAIN, 
THAT THERE ARE NO NEW CASES IN 
NUNAVIK AND ALL THE 16 CASES 
THAT WERE NOTED BEFORE HAVE 
RECOVERED.
THE FLATTENING OF THE CURVE IS 
ENCOURAGING AND DEMONSTRATES 
THAT INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES HAVE
BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR EFFORTS
TO STOP THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS.
AS BUSINESSES REOPEN, AS 
ACTIVITIES RESUME AND AS TRAVEL 
RETURNS, WE MUST REMAIN 
VIGILANT.
WE MUST CONTINUE TO TAKE ALL 
NECESSARY MEASURES TO PROTECT 
INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES AND 
COMMUNITIES.
WE MUST PUT PEOPLE'S HEALTH AND 
SAFETY FIRST.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
ONCE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO TAKE AN 
OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT IT'S 
IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON BOTH 
PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH.
RECOGNIZING THAT COVID-19 HAS 
AFFECTED NEARLY EVERY FACET OF 
DAY-TO-DAY LIFE, CANADA HAS 
COMMITTED AND CONTINUES TO 
SUPPORT THE DELIVERY OF QUALITY 
CARE WHILE FIRST NATIONS, INUIT 
AND METIS INDIVIDUALS AND 
COMMUNITIES TAKE THE LEAD IN 
RESPONDING TO THEIR UNIQUE 
EVOLVING NEEDS.
PRIOR TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, 
DEMAND FOR COUNSELLING AND 
MENTAL WELLNESS SUPPORT WAS 
ALREADY TRENDING UPWARD, BUT 
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 2020, 
WE'VE SEEN NEARLY 200% INCREASE 
IN DEMAND.
THIS NUMBER SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
WE KNOW THERE IS A NEED FOR 
APPROPRIATE AND TIMELY MENTAL 
HEALTH SUPPORT, AND WE WILL 
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH FIRST 
NATIONS, INUIT AND METIS 
PARTNERS AND COMMUNITIES AS WELL
AS WITH THE PROVINCIAL AND 
TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENTS TO 
SAFELY ADAPT AND EXPAND CURRENT 
MENTAL WELLNESS SERVICES AND 
SUPPORT IN THE CONTEXT OF 
COVID-19, AS WELL AS ADDRESS THE
CURRENT SUICIDE CRISIS AMONG 
INDIGENOUS MOUTH.
[ End of Interpretation ]
-- YOUTH. 
[ End of Interpretation ]
TO DATE, THE GOVERNMENT OF 
CANADA HAS MADE $1.5 BILLION IN 
DISTINCTIONS-BASED FUNDING 
AVAILABLE TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE 
TO SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS TO 
SUCCESSFULLY BATTLE COVID-19.
NOTABLY, A $305 MILLION 
DISTINCTIONS-BASED INDIGENOUS 
COMMUNITY SUPPORT FUND.
OF THIS AMOUNT, $215 MILLION WAS
DEDICATED TO FIRST NATIONS, $45 
MILLION TO INUIT AND $15 MILLION
IN PROPOSAL-BASED FUNDINGS FOR 
ORGANIZATIONS AND COMMUNITIES 
ALL OF WHICH HAS BEEN DEPLOYED 
INTO COMMUNITIES AND TO THOSE 
ORGANIZATIONS ASKING FOR THAT 
FUNDING.
AN ADDITIONAL $75 MILLION WAS 
ALSO MADE AVAILABLE FOR 
ORGANIZATIONS SUPPORTING FIRST 
NATIONS INDIVIDUALS OFF-RESERVE 
AND INUIT AND METIS LIVING IN 
URBAN AREAS, AS WELL AS $10 
MILLION IN FUNDING FOR EMERGENCY
FAMILY VIOLENCE PREVENTION 
SHELTERS ON-RESERVE AND IN 
YUKON.
FURTHERMORE, OVER $280 MILLION 
WAS DEDICATED TO SUPPORT 
INDIGENOUS SERVICES CANADA'S 
HEALTH RESPONSE IN FIRST NATIONS
AND INUIT COMMUNITIES.
THIS IS ESSENTIAL FUNDING THAT 
WILL HELP TO PROVIDE FIRST 
NATIONS AND INUIT COMMUNITIES 
WITH ADDITIONAL HEALTH CARE 
PROVIDERS, PERSONAL PROTECTIVE 
EQUIPMENT, HEALTH 
INFRASTRUCTURE, SPECIFICALLY 
RE-TOOLING OF EXISTING COMMUNITY
SPACES AND PURCHASING MOBILE 
STRUCTURES TO SUPPORT ISOLATION,
SCREENING AND ACCOMMODATIONS AND
COMMUNITY LEVEL INFECTION 
PREVENTION AND CONTROL MEASURES.
IN ADDITION, AS PART OF OUR 
RESPONSE TO COVID-19, WE'RE ALSO
PROVIDING $270 MILLION TO 
RESPOND TO THE FINANCIAL 
PRESSURES THAT COVID-19 HAS 
PLACED ON THE INCOME ASSISTANCE 
PROGRAM.
WE ALSO ANNOUNCED RECENTLY $75.2
MILLION IN NEW INVESTMENTS TO 
SUPPORT POST-SECONDARY AND 
RECENT GRADUATES IMPACTED BY THE
PANDEMIC AND 440 MILLION IN 
FUNDING TO SUPPORT INDIGENOUS 
BUSINESSES IN THE TOURISM 
INDUSTRY, IN PARTICULAR IN 
RESPONSE TO HARDSHIPS CREATED BY
COVID-19.
WE'RE COMMITTED TO RESPONDING TO
THE NEEDS OF FIRST NATIONS, 
INUIT AND METIS TO PREVENT, 
RESPOND AND STOP THE SPREAD OF 
COVID-19.
WE'RE COMMITTED TO GETTING MORE 
NURSES AND PARAMEDICS TO MORE 
NURSING STATIONS IN HEALTH 
CENTRES TO HELP THOSE WHO NEED 
IT MOST.
I WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO 
THANK ALL THE HEALTH CARE 
PROFESSIONALS WORKING IN 
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES FOR THE 
DEDICATION AND DETERMINATION TO 
ENSURE THAT QUALITY AND 
CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE CARE, 
TESTING TREATMENT ARE PROVIDED 
DURING THIS PANDEMIC.
THEY OFTEN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND 
TO MAKE SURE THEIR COMMUNITIES 
ARE SAFE AND HEALTHY.
WE WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN THIS 
LEVEL OF SUCCESS IN PLANKING THE
CURVE WITHOUT THEIR WORK.
THANK YOU.
BUT THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER CRUCIAL
TOPIC I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TODAY 
AND ONE THAT WE CAN'T IGNORE, 
ONE THAT SHOULDN'T BE DICTATED 
BY POLITICIANS OR MEDIA CYCLES, 
BUT ONE THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED
AND THOUGHT ABOUT EVERY SINGLE 
DAY IN OUR HOMES, PLACES OF 
WORK, WITH OUR FRIENDS AND 
FAMILY.
RIGHT NOW IS A MOMENT WHEN 
CANADIANS ARE RECOGNIZING THAT 
THERE'S UNFAIRNESS BUILT INTO 
OUR SYSTEMS, AND THAT THESE 
SYSTEMS ARE ALWAYS BEEN UNFAIR 
TOWARDS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND 
RACIALIZED CANADIANS.
IT SEEMS OBVIOUS.
WE NEED TO ENSURE THERE'S 
ACCOUNTABILITY AND THAT POLICING
SERVICES ARE COMMITTED TO 
ENSURING THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS 
WORTHY OF THE TRUST WE PUT IN 
THEM.
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND THEIR 
COMMUNITIES ARE ENTITLED TO THE 
BEST THERE IS OF THE RCMP WHO 
SWORE AN OATH TO PROTECT AND TO 
SERVE.
AND WE NEED TO CONSTANTLY 
QUESTION AND REFLECT ON THESE 
ISSUES, ISSUES OF SYSTEMIC 
RACISM IN INSTITUTIONS.
MY DEPARTMENT IS NO EXCEPTION.
BUT PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO HOLD 
POWERS OF LIFE AND DEATH.
THESE EXCEPTIONAL POWERS 
EXERCISED BY POLICE SERVICES 
ACROSS CANADA DO COME WITH 
EXCEPTIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES.
WE MUST FIGHT TO REMOVE SYSTEMIC
RACISM FROM THESE INSTITUTIONS, 
INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE MEANT TO 
SERVE EVERYONE LIVING IN THIS 
COUNTRY EQUALLY AND FAIRLY.
THESE ARE DIFFICULT AND 
UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS BUT 
IMPORTANT ONES TO HAVE.
WHILE MANY PEOPLE WILL NEVER 
FULLY UNDERSTAND THE LIVED 
EXPERIENCES OF INDIGENOUS 
PEOPLES, WE MUST STAND AND SPEAK
UP IN THE FACE OF INJUSTICES.
ADVANCING OUR RELATIONSHIP MEANS
CHANGING THE COLONIAL AND 
PATERNALISTIC LAWS, POLICIES AND
PRACTICES AND ADDRESSING THEIR 
IMPACTS ON THE LIVES OF 
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
MEEGWETCH, THANK YOU, MERCI.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
MARC.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
NOW MINISTER FOR CANADIAN 
HERITAGE, STEVEN GUILBAULT.
>> THANK YOU, CHRYSTIA AND GOOD 
DAY.
FROM THE START OF THE COVID-19 
PANDEMIC OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN
HEARING THE CALLS FROM THE 
CULTURAL AND ARTS SECTORS.
WE HAVE BEEN ADAPTING OUR 
MEASURES TO THEIR MOST URGENT 
NEED. 
[ End of Interpretation ]
IT IS ESTIMATED THAT ARTISTS, 
CREATORS AND CULTURAL WORKERS 
HAVE COLLECTIVELY RECEIVED OVER 
$2.5 BILLION FROM THE CANADA 
EMERGENCY RESPONSE BENEFIT AND 
THE CANADA EMERGENCY WAGE 
SUBSIDY.
EVEN BEFORE THE RECENT EXTENSION
OF THOSE TWO MEASURES.
IN ADDITION, I ALREADY ANNOUNCED
A $500 MILLION EMERGENCY FUND 
FOR THE ARTS, CULTURE AND SPORTS
SECTORS, BRINGING THE TOTAL 
SUPPORT OF OUR GOVERNMENT TO 
THOSE SECTORS TO $3 BILLION.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
OUR GOAL IS TO HELP AS MANY 
ORGANIZATIONS AS POSSIBLE SO 
THEY CAN PULL OUT OF THIS CRISIS
AND RESUME ACTIVITIES AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE.
[ End of Interpretation ]
-- CRUCIAL ROLE IN THE HERITAGE 
SECTOR.
THEY PRESERVE OUR ARTISTIC, 
CULTURAL AND HISTORIC TREASURIES
AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO BETTER 
UNDERSTAND THE RICH AND DIVERSE 
SOCIETY IN WHICH WE LIVE.
SINCE MARCH 14, OUR SIX NATIONAL
MUSEUMS AND THE NATIONAL 
BATTLEFIELDS COMMISSION HAVE 
CLOSED THEIR DOORS TO HELP 
PROTECT OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY.
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HERITAGE 
INSTITUTIONS HAVE ALSO BEEN 
FACING SIGNIFICANT DIFFICULTIES.
THAT'S WHY THE GOVERNMENT OF 
CANADA IS TAKING NEW MEASURES TO
HELP THE MUSEUM SECTOR.
WE ARE PROVIDING $25.7 MILLION 
TO THE NATIONAL MUSEUMS AND 
NATIONAL BATTLEFIELDS COMMISSION
TO HELP THEM MAINTAIN ESSENTIAL 
SERVICES AND GET READY TO OPEN 
THEIR DOORS.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
WE HAVE STARTED THE FIRST PART 
OF PHASE TWO OF THE EMERGENCY 
FUND FOR COVID-19 TO SUPPORT 
ORGANIZATIONS RESPONSIBLE FOR 
CULTURE, HERITAGE AND SPORT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT $500 MILLION 
THAT WERE ANNOUNCED LAST MAY.
THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO SUPPORT 
A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE 
PROVIDED THROUGH CANADIAN 
HERITAGE THROUGH PHASE TWO WE 
ARE BROADENING THE SCOPE OF OUR 
HELP.
WE ARE INJECTING $53 MILLION 
INTO THE MUSEUMS PROGRAM TO 
SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE 
HERRAGE GOODS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
-- EVEN MORE ORGANIZATIONS 
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THE ASSISTANCE ANNOUNCED TO DATE
COMPLEMENTS OUR OTHER SUPPORT 
MEASURES.
ORGANIZATIONS CAN FIND ADVICE 
ONLINE AT A NEW PORTAL AT THE 
CANADIAN HERITAGE WEBSITE TO 
EXPEDITE THEIR REQUESTS.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
I KNOW MUSEUMS ARE LOOKING 
FORWARD TO WELCOMING US AGAIN 
AND GETTING OUT OF THIS CRISIS 
WILL NOT BE EASY FOR MUSEUMS.
THIS IS WHY OUR GOVERNMENT 
REMAINS OPEN AND READY TO 
SUPPORT THEM.
>> THANK YOU, STEVEN.
WE ARE NOW PREPARED TO RESPOND 
TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> TODAY WE'RE GOING TO START IN
THE ROOM, THREE QUESTIONS FROM 
THE ROOM AND THEN WE'LL TURN TO 
THE PHONE.
ONE QUESTION, ONE FOLLOW-UP.
DILLON?
>> Reporter: HI, THERE.
MINISTER MILLER, WE HAVE SEEN 
SOME ARRESTS OF INDIGENOUS 
PEOPLE LAST WEEK WINNIPEG POLICE
KICKED AND KNEED A RESTRAINED 
MAN.
IT WAS CALLED POLICE BRUTALITY 
AND SAYS OTTAWA NEEDS TO TAKE A 
LEADING ROLE IN COMBATTING THIS,
INCLUDING THE CITY POLICE.
I'M WONDERING IF YOU SAW THAT 
VIDEO AND IF YOU AGREE THAT 
OTTAWA SHOULD GO BEYOND THE RCMP
WHEN IT'S LOOKING AT POLICE 
BRUTALITY.
>> THANK YOU, DILLON.
THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO HAVE A 
NATIONAL CONVERSATION ON THE USE
AND THE SPECTRUM OF THE USE OF 
FORCE IN OUR POLICE ENFORCEMENT 
AGENCIES.
THAT INCLUDES CITY POLICE 
FORCES, NO QUESTION.
I AGREE WITH MINISTER VANDEL.
I DID NOT SEE THE VIDEO.
I'VE SEEN MANY OTHER VIDEOS, AND
THIS IS PART OF THE PATTERN.
WE DEDICATE OURSELVES TO 
BEING -- TO ENSURING THAT THERE 
ARE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS, 
AND WE DO ABSOLUTELY NEED TO 
RESPECT THOSE.
BUT IT DOESN'T PREVENT US FROM 
ENSURING THERE IS 
ACCOUNTABILITY, ENSURING THERE 
ARE NATIONAL STANDARDS THAT MUST
BE ENFORCED AND RESPECTED, AND 
ENSURING THERE'S A REVIEW IN A 
TIMELY FASHION OF AN OVERSIGHT 
AND SUPERVISION OF THOSE POLICE 
FORCES, LIKE I SAID, THAT HOLD 
EXCEPTIONAL POWERS.
AND IF THERE IS SYSTEMIC RACISM,
WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT IN A 
CONCERTED FASHION.
>> Reporter: A QUESTION FOR 
MINISTER GUILBEAULT.
THE FORMING OF A CANADIAN MUSEUM
FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, THEY WERE 
SCREENING OUT GAY CONTENT WHEN 
RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS TOUR THE 
MUSEUM.
AT ONE POINT THEY PHYSICALLY 
BLOCKED A DISPLAY ABOUT GAY 
MARRIAGE.
YOU SAID THAT THIS IS CONDONING 
HOMOPHOBIA.
IS ANYONE ACTUALLY GOING TO FACE
CONSEQUENCES AND ARE YOU ISSUING
ANY GUIDANCE FOR OTHER 
INSTITUTIONS?
>> THANK YOU.
OUR GOVERNMENT EXPECTS NATIONAL 
MUSEUMS TO BE HELD TO THE 
HIGHEST STANDARDS OF 
INCLUSIVENESS, SOCIAL AWARENESS 
AND RESPECT.
WE ARE AWARE OF APPARENT CASES 
OF SELF-CENSORSHIP OF LGTBQ 
REALITIES AT THE CANADIAN MUSEUM
FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IN WINNIPEG AND
ARE TAKING THIS MATTER VERY 
SERIOUSLY.
LET ME BE CLEAR, AN INSTITUTION 
LIKE THE CMHR SHOULD NOT BE 
PERCEIVED AS CONDONING 
HOMOPHOBIA OR ENGAGE IN 
SELF-CENSORSHIP.
WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH SENIOR 
MANAGEMENT OF THE MUSEUM 
REGARDING THESE ALLEGATIONS AND 
REMAIN COMMITTED TO PROMOTE AND 
PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF LGTBQ 
COMMUNITIES IN CANADA AND 
ABROAD.
>> Rosemary: JUST WANTED TO GET 
THAT ANSWER IN FROM THE HERITAGE
MINISTER.
THE CBC STORY SAYING THAT 
EMPLOYEES AT THE CANADIAN HUMAN 
RIGHTS MUSEUM IN WINNIPEG HAD 
BEEN TOLD TO SHIELD SOME SCHOOL 
GROUPS FROM EXHIBITS ABOUT GAY 
AND LESBIAN MARRIAGE IN THIS 
COUNTRY AND OTHER THINGS.
SO THAT WAS THE HERITAGE 
MINISTER'S REACTION TO THAT.
LET'S GO INSIDE THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS NOW WHERE ANDREW SCHEER 
IS ASKING QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE, 
OF THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA.
LET'S LISTEN IN.
>> THAT IS HIS LEGACY IN CHASING
THIS VANITY PROJECT, MR. CHAIR.
THE PRIME MINISTER SHOOK THE 
HAND OF THE IRANIAN FOREIGN 
MINISTER AND EVEN BOWED JUST A 
MONTH AFTER THAT COUNTRY'S 
MILITARY SHOT DOWN A PLANE WITH 
DOZENS OF CANADIANS ON IT.
SO AGAIN, WAS IT WORTH IT?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
MR. SPEAKER, I'LL TAKE NO 
LESSONS ON INTERNATIONAL 
ENGAGEMENT FROM A PARTY THAT 
PROMISED TO CUT FOREIGN AID IN 
THE LAST ELECTION.
FORTUNATELY CANADIANS DIDN'T 
RETURN TO THEM AND THIS RETURN 
TO GOVERNMENT CONTINUE TO SAY 
LOOK AT STAYING POSITIVE AND 
ENGAGED ON THE WORLD STAGE.
YES, WE HAVE ALWAYS STOOD UP 
CLEARLY AND STRONGLY FOR HUMAN 
RIGHTS, FOR OUR VALUES, AND WE 
WILL CONTINUE TO, EVEN AS WE 
ENGAGE CONSTRUCTIVELY AROUND THE
WORLD.
>> MR. SCHEER. 
>> MR. SPEAKER, THIS PRIME 
MINISTER HAS SENT BILLIONS OF 
DOLLARS OF TAXPAYERS' MONEY TO 
COUNTRIES WITH ECONOMIES MORE 
ADVANCED THAN CANADA'S OR LED BY
DICTATORS WITH TERRIBLE HUMAN 
RIGHTS RECORDS.
THAT IS HIS LEGACY.
HE'S ALSO TURNED HIS BACK ON OUR
FRIENDS AND ALLIES, VOTING IN 
FAVOUR OF ONE-SIDED ANTI-ISRAEL 
RESOLUTIONS AT THE UNITED 
NATIONS IN ORDER TO CURRY FAVOUR
FROM COUNTRIES WHO DO NOT 
ACKNOWLEDGE ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO 
EXIST.
SO AGAIN, WAS IT WORTH IT?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
MR. SPEAKER, EVERY STEP OF THE 
WAY WE'VE CONTINUED TO STAND UP 
STRONGLY FOR CANADIANS' VALUES 
AND CANADIANS' INTERESTS ON THE 
WORLD STAGE.
IT IS IN OUR INTERESTS TO SEE A 
MORE PEACEFUL, MORE PROSPEROUS 
WORLD IN WHICH EVERYONE HAS A 
REAL AND FAIR CHANCE TO SUCCEED,
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN 
CONTRIBUTING TO.
ON THE QUESTION OF ISRAEL, WE 
HAVE STOOD STRONGLY BY ISRAEL AS
THEIR FRIEND, BUT WE HAVE ALSO 
EXPRESSED OUR CONCERN ABOUT THE 
ANNEX POLICY THEY HAVE PUT 
FORWARD.
THESE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE 
COMPLICATED, BUT CANADA WILL 
ALWAYS STAND TRUE TO ITS VALUES 
AND TO OUR APPROACH ON THE WORLD
STAGE.
>> MR. SCHEER.
>> MR. SPEAKER, THIS HOUSE VOTED
TO LIST THE IRGC, THE IRANIAN 
REVOLUTIONARY GUARD CORPS AS A 
TERRORIST ENTITY.
THIS PRIME MINISTER REFUSED TO 
TAKE ACTION AND DO THAT.
HE'S ALSO REFUSED TO IMPOSE ANY 
MAGNITSKY ACT -- ON HUMAN RIGHTS
ABUSERS ACROSS THE WORLD.
ALL IN AN ATTEMPT TO CURRY 
FAVOUR SELLING OUT CANADIAN 
VALUES.
NOW HE COMES BACK EMPTY HANDED, 
COMING IN LAST.
SO AGAIN, WAS IT WORTH IT?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
MR. SPEAKER, IT IS ALWAYS WORTH 
IT FOR CANADA TO STEP UP ON THE 
WORLD STAGE.
IT IS ALWAYS WORTH IT FOR US TO 
REACH OUT AND FIGHT FOR THINGS 
LIKE FIGHTING CLIMATE CHANGE, 
FIGHT FOR THINGS LIKE WOMEN AND 
EQUALITY, FIGHT FOR THINGS LIKE 
PROTECTING OUR OCEANS, FIGHTING 
FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR CANADIANS 
AROUND THE WORLD AND 
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE VULNERABLE
AROUND THE WORLD.
MR. SPEAKER, CANADIANS EXPECT 
THEIR GOVERNMENT TO STEP UP ON 
THE WORLD STAGE, AND THAT'S 
EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.
>> HEAR, HEAR.
>> MR. SCHEER.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT HE DID, 
MR. SPEAKER.
YOU SEE, WHEN HE WAS IN THE SAME
ROOM AS DICTATORS AND DESPOTS 
AND LEADERS OF COUNTRIES WITH 
TERRIBLE RECORDS, HE WAS SILENT.
HE SAT RIGHT BESIDE THE 
PRESIDENT OF SENEGAL WHEN THAT 
PRESIDENT DEFENDED SENEGAL'S 
LAWS MAKING HOMOSEXUALITY A 
CRIME.
THE PRIME MINISTER SAID NOTHING.
HE WAS SILENT.
HE'S USING CANADIAN TAX DOLLARS 
TO INVEST IN OIL AND GAS 
PROJECTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES IN 
ORDER TO WIN FAVOUR AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS 
GOVERNMENT'S RECORD, WHEN WE 
LOOK AT HIS PERSONAL, HIS 
PERSONAL RECORD ON THE WORLD 
STAGE, OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH 
INDIA HAS BEEN DAMAGED BY HIS 
ACTION.
WE HAVE A WORSE TRADE DEAL THAN 
HE INHERITED.
HE'S ANGERED WITH HIS ERRATIC 
BEHAVIOUR OUR PARTNERS IN THE 
PACIFIC AREA.
AND AT THE END OF IT, HE CAME 
HOME EMPTY HANDED.
WAS IT WORTH IT?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
MR. SPEAKER, CANADA HAS 
CONTINUED TO STAND STRONG ON THE
WORLD STAGE, TO ENGAGE WITH 
COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD IN 
NEED OF SUPPORT, IN NEED OF 
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY STOOD UP 
FOR OUR VALUES, UNLIKE THE 
CONSERVATIVES THAT HAVE SLASHED 
PROTECTIONS FOR THE WORLD'S MOST
VULNERABLE WOMEN BY NOT FUNDING 
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND SERVICES
AROUND THE WORLD.
CANADA HAS ALWAYS STOOD UP FOR 
PROGRESSIVE VALUES ON THE WORLD 
STAGE, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO, 
MR. SPEAKER.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
>> WE WILL NOW GO TO 
MR. THERRIEN.
MR. THERRIEN?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THE BLOC, SINCE OCTOBER 21, HAS 
TRIED TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE, AND 
THE GOVERNMENT LEADER KNOWS 
THIS, AND THEY KNOW THAT WE'VE 
ALWAYS BEEN CONSTRUCTIVE IN OUR 
WAY OF OPERATING.
WE MADE A LIST OF THINGS WE'VE 
COLLABORATED ON, AND THESE ARE 
THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, THINGS 
WE'VE MADE, REGARDLESS OF WHO 
OWNS IT.
IN TERMS OF SUPPORT FOR SENIORS,
ALLOWING PEOPLE TO EARN A LITTLE
BIT MORE MONEY WITHOUT LOSING 
THE CERB.
SUPPORT FOR STUDENTS, ALLOWING 
SEASONAL WORKERS AND 
ENTREPRENEURS TO HAVE ACCESS TO 
THE CERB, ENHANCING THE 
EMERGENCY ACCOUNT AND THE WAGE 
SUBSIDY, COMMERCIAL RENT 
SUPPORT.
WE WANT TO SEE MORE, BUT IT 
WASN'T EASY, AND HELPING DAIRY 
PRODUCERS BY BOOSTING THE 
ABILITY OF THE CANADIAN DAIRY 
COMMISSION.
WE WERE ALSO THE FIRST TO TALK 
ABOUT THE VIRTUAL PARLIAMENT, 
BUT WHERE THE ISSUE IS, IT'S IN 
TERMS OF THE CERB.
DURING THIS PANDEMIC, THE CERB 
SHOULD BE HELP FOR PEOPLE WHO 
ARE EXPERIENCING ISSUES WITH 
THEIR INCOME.
BUT THE SECOND ASPECT SHOULD BE 
THAT THE CERB SHOULDN'T HAMPER 
PEOPLE FROM RE-ENTERING THE 
WORKFORCE, AND THAT'S WHERE IT 
FAILED.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT.
WHEN WILL THE GOVERNMENT DO TO?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER. 
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
FIRST I'D LIKE TO UNDERSCORE 
THAT IN RECENT MONTHS WE HAVE 
SEEN PARLIAMENTARIANS OF ALL 
STRIPES WORK TOGETHER 
RESPECTFULLY AND COOPERATIVELY 
TO HELP CANADIANS DURING THIS 
PANDEMIC.
WE HAVE PASSED SEVERAL BILLS 
THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE 
CONTRIBUTIONS OF OUR MEMBERS BUT
ALSO THE MEMBERS OF THE 
OPPOSITION PARTIES.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF 
HOW CANADIAN DIVERSITY IS STRONG
AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE 
TO DEFEND OUR INSTITUTIONS AND 
ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE EVEN IN A 
DIFFICULT SITUATION.
AND IN TERMS OF THE CERB, IN THE
BEGINNING, YES, IT WAS 
SUPPOSED -- IT WAS A BIT OF A 
BREAK.
PEOPLE HAD TO STAY HOME, AND WE 
REALIZE WE SHIFTED TO THE WAGE 
SUBSIDY AFTER, BUT WE REALIZE 
THAT THERE WAS -- THERE AREN'T 
ENOUGH JOBS FOR EVERYONE.
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO WANT 
TO GO BACK TO WORK, BUT WE DO 
HAVE TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THE 
CERB, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS
TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RETURN TO
WORK, AND AS MY COLLEAGUE SAYS, 
WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE SUPPORTED, 
BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO WORK.
>> MR. THERRIEN?
>> ON APRIL 9 WE HAD A 
DISCUSSION WITH THE GOVERNMENT, 
AND WE TALKED ABOUT AN 
EMPLOYMENT INCENTIVE IN THE 
CERB.
AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE
TRADITIONAL CERB.
WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
WE WANTED THE GOVERNMENT TO 
COMMIT, AND THEY COMMITTED TO 
THIS IN A MOTION, AND WE 
ANSWERED -- IT ANSWERED THE 
LEADER OF THE BLOC SAYING THAT 
THE CERB WOULD BE OFFERED IN 
ORDER TO OFFER AN EMPLOYMENT 
INCENTIVE IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.
HOW CAN THE GOVERNMENT NOW KEEP 
ITS WORD ON THIS?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER. 
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: ONCE 
AGAIN I'D LIKE TO THANK MY 
COLLEAGUE FOR HIS QUESTION.
IT'S TRUE, WE WANTED TO MAKE 
AMENDMENTS TO THE CERB, TO 
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, FORCE THEM TO 
SEARCH FOR A JOB.
THAT WAS WITHIN THE BILL THAT WE
PRESENTED LAST WEEK TO CREATE 
MORE INCENTIVES FOR EMPLOYMENT, 
TO ELIMINATE THE DISINCENTIVES 
THAT'S IN THE CERB.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE WEREN'T 
ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT 
MEASURE OR HELP PEOPLE LIVING 
WITH DISABILITIES.
>> WE NOW GO BACK TO 
MR. THERRIEN.
>> MR. CHAIR, WHEN THEY SAY THAT
THEY COULDN'T ADD INCENTIVES TO 
THE CERB, WELL, WHAT THEY WERE 
PROPOSING LAST WEEK WAS TO ADD 
MEASURES WHICH WERE HARD TO 
ENFORCE.
WE DIDN'T SEE ANY INCENTIVES.
THE QUEBEC GOVERNMENT WAS ASKING
FOR THEM.
HOW COME YOU'RE NOT AMENDING THE
CERB?
RIGHT NOW IT'S HAMPERING OUR 
ECONOMIC RECOVERY.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: WE 
UNDERSTAND THAT MANY COMPANIES 
NEED WORKERS, AND WE'RE 
CELEBRATING THAT WORKERS ARE 
COMING BACK, BUT THERE ARE STILL
MANY PEOPLE, THAT EVEN IF THEY 
DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO SEEK 
EMPLOYMENT COULD NOT FIND A JOB 
THIS SUMMER BECAUSE THE ECONOMY 
HAS NOT RECOVERED YET.
THERE ARE 3 MILLION PEOPLE 
LOOKING FOR A JOB RIGHT NOW.
>> BACK TO MR. THERRIEN.
QUICK QUESTION, PLEASE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S HARD 
TO HAVE INCENTIVES, BUT IT IS --
WE HAVE TO OPERATE CORRECTLY IN 
DIFFICULT CONDITIONS.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR INCENTIVES
FOR A MONTH AND A HALF.
WE SAID IT AGAIN.
IT'S DANGEROUS NOT TO HAVE ONES 
BECAUSE PEOPLE REFUSE TO WORK 
BECAUSE IT PAYS MORE TO STAY 
HOME THAN TO GO BACK TO WORK.
EVERYONE HAS BEEN ASKING FOR AN 
INCENTIVE.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE VICTIMS 
OF THIS ECONOMIC RECOVERY.
WILL YOU QUICKLY AMEND THE CERB?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: AS 
THE SUMMER ADVANCES, WE WILL 
LOOK AT THE WAYS THAT WE CAN 
ENSURE THAT THERE ARE EMPLOYMENT
INCENTIVES IN THE CERB AND 
WITHIN THE ASSISTANCE SYSTEM, 
BUT OUR BASIC IDEA WAS TO HELP 
PEOPLE IN NEED, AND THAT 
CONTINUES TO BE OUR PRIORITY, 
THE WELL-BEING OF CANADIANS.
>> WE'LL MOVE ON TO MR. SINGH 
NOW.
>> POINT OF ORDER.
>> MADAM?
>> MR. CHAIR, THE MEMBER OF 
BURNABY SOUTH YESTERDAY WAS 
NON-PARLIAMENTARY YESTERDAY.
HE INSULTED THE MEMBER FROM LA 
PRAIRIE AND THE BLOC.
HE CALLED THEM RACIST ON FOUR 
OCCASIONS, AND I CONSIDER THAT 
HE CHALLENGED YOUR AUTHORITY 
WHEN YOU ASKED HIM TO APOLOGIZE,
TO REFUSE TO DO SO.
HE WAS ASKED TO LEAVE THE HOUSE,
AND I ASK ONCE AGAIN TO NOT 
RECOGNIZE HIM TODAY.
>> POINT OF ORDER.
>> MR. JULIEN?
GO AHEAD?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
MR. CHAIR.
I LISTENED TO YOUR DECISION 
YESTERDAY ATTENTIVELY.
AND THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO TODAY.
CHAIR, IT WASN'T A CONDITIONAL 
DECISION.
FOR THE BLOC'S WHIP TO TRY AND 
CHANGE YOUR DECISION, WHICH WAS 
CLEAR, THIS DOESN'T SEEM 
APPROPRIATE.
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO QUOTE 
CHAPTER 13 OF GAGNON THAT SAYS 
THAT THE CHAIR CAN OR SPEAKER ON
HIS BEHALF CAN ORDER A MEMBER TO
LEAVE THE HOUSE FOR A SITTING 
DAY.
THAT'S WHAT YOU DECIDED, AND OF 
COURSE I WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE 
FORWARD WITH QUESTION PERIOD.
>> I WILL CONTINUE, IF I MAY.
MADAM, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT.
WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY WAS PART
OF A HOUSE SITTING, AND IT WAS A
HOUSE RULE.
TODAY I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM 
MAMZ DEBELLFOYE, AND I HAVE THE 
INTENTION TO REFLECT UPON IT AND
PROVIDE AN ANSWER AS I ONLY 
RECEIVED IT JUST BEFORE I CAME 
TO THIS COMMITTEE TODAY.
I WILL TAKE TIME TO REFLECT UPON
IT AND TO PROVIDE AN ANSWER FOR 
THE MEMBER BEFORE THE NEXT 
SITTING.
FOR TODAY, THIS COMMITTEE WILL 
CONTINUE NORMALLY, SO I 
RECOGNIZE MR. SINGH FOR THE NEXT
QUESTION.
MS. DEBELLFOYE, YOU HAVE ANOTHER
QUESTION OR POINT OF ORDER?
>> I UNDERSTOOD YOUR ANSWER 
CORRECTLY, MR. CHAIR, AND I 
APPRECIATE THAT YOU WILL STUDY 
OUR DEMAND, BUT -- REQUEST, 
RATHER, BUT THERE IS A RATHER 
SERIOUS ISSUE.
IF WE ALLOW A MEMBER OR A PARTY 
LEADER TO INSULT ANOTHER MEMBER,
WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ALL OF US 
HERE?
YOU WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO 
INSULT YOUR COLLEAGUE AND THEN 
YOU'RE ONLY EXPELLED FOR ONE 
DAY?
THIS CAN'T BE THE CASE.
TODAY I HEAR THE NDP LEADER, AND
I AM DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE
I THOUGHT HE WAS A REALLY 
IMPORTANT DEMOCRAT.
BUT WHAT EXAMPLE ARE WE SETTING 
TODAY?
I WOULD ASK ONCE AGAIN, 
MR. CHAIR, TO NOT RECOGNIZE THE 
MEMBER FOR BURNABY SOUTH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR 
INTERVENTION, BUT I DID MAKE A 
DECISION AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
AHEAD WITH MR. SINGH.
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 
MR. SPEAKER.
I WANT TO BEGIN BY ACKNOWLEDGING
THE WORDS OF THE PRIME MINISTER 
TODAY AND THANK THE PRIME 
MINISTER FOR THOSE KIND WORDS.
I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE 
PRIME MINISTER HAS AGAIN 
COMMITTED TO CHANGE, BUT WE NEED
THAT CHANGE RIGHT AWAY.
WILL THE PRIME MINISTER COMMIT 
IMMEDIATELY TO PUTTING IN PLACE 
CONCRETE POLICY CHANGES TO 
ADDRESS THE SYSTEMIC RACISM IN 
THE RCMP?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: YES, 
MR. SPEAKER, WE NEED TO TAKE 
CONCRETE ACTION RIGHT AWAY TO 
ADDRESS SYSTEMIC RACISM IN THIS 
COUNTRY.
WE HAVE MUCH WORK TO DO.
WE WILL DO IT WITH PARTNERS.
WE WILL DO IT WITH EVERYONE IN 
THIS HOUSE WHO WANTS TO WORK 
WITH US ON IT, AND I THANK THE 
LEADER OF THE NDP FOR HIS 
COMMITMENT TO THIS, AND WE WILL 
WORK TOGETHER IN SHORT ORDER ON 
MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
>> MR. SINGH?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT 
RESPONSE.
I WANT TO GO INTO SOME DETAILS.
WILL THE PRIME MINISTER COMMIT 
TO WHAT WAS IN THE MOTION WHICH 
WAS SUPPORTED IT SEEMED LIKE BY 
MOST PEOPLE, MOST OF THE MEMBERS
OF THIS HOUSE, TO DO A FULL 
REVIEW OF THE NEARLY $10 MILLION
A DAY RCMP BUDGET TO SEE WHERE 
WE CAN ALLOCATE FUNDS TO A 
HEALTH CARE RESPONSE INSTEAD OF 
A POLICE RESPONSE?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER? 
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
MR. SPEAKER, I'VE TALKED ABOUT 
THIS OVER THE PAST WEEKS.
THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO.
WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE 
SPENDING EVERY DOLLAR OF 
TAXPAYER MONEY IN A WAY TO KEEP 
PEOPLE SAFE AND NOT PERPETUATE 
UNJUST SYSTEMS.
IT'S NOT AN EITHER/OR, EITHER 
THE POLICE OR COMMUNITY 
SERVICES.
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED BOTH, BUT WE 
NEED THEM DONE RIGHT AND WE WILL
WORK WITH EVERYONE TO MAKE SURE 
THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT BALANCE 
RIGHT AND WE'RE GETTING THE 
MONEY SPENT IN THE RIGHT WAYS.
>> BACK TO MR. SINGH.
MR. SINGH?
>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
WE CERTAINLY, THOUGH, NEED MORE 
INVESTMENT IN NON-POLICE 
INTERVENTIONS, AND THAT'S WHERE 
WE'VE SEEN SOME SERIOUS 
PROBLEMS.
FAMILIES HAVE RAISED THIS 
CONCERN THAT WE NEED TO HAVE 
MORE INVESTMENTS IN NON-POLICE 
INTERVENTIONS, NON-VIOLENT 
INTERVENTIONS, AND HEALTH CARE 
RESPONSES TO HEALTH CARE CRISES.
WILL THE PRIME MINISTER COMMIT 
TO THAT COURSE OF ACTION?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER? 
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
MR. SPEAKER, WE HAVE HEARD THOSE
CALLS AS WELL, AND WE AGREE 
THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK
ON.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
ENCOURAGING DE-ESCALATION 
PROGRAMS, THAT WE ARE 
ENCOURAGING FRONT LINE 
INTERVENTIONS AROUND MENTAL 
HEALTH, AROUND CARE THAT ISN'T 
NECESSARILY DONE BY THE POLICE.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO
DO TOGETHER.
>> MR. SINGH.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
TODAY A REPORT WAS OF RCMP 
INCIDENTS OF USE OF FORCE WAS 
RELEASED, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE 
THAT.
WE'LL REVIEW THAT.
WILL THE PRIME MINISTER ALSO 
ENCOURAGE A RELEASE OF THE 
ASSOCIATED COSTS OF SETTLEMENT 
OF CASES THAT FLOWED FROM THOSE 
USE OF FORCE?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER? 
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: 
MR. SPEAKER, WE WILL OF COURSE 
BE TAKING A VERY CAREFUL LOOK AT
THIS REPORT, BUT IT HIGHLIGHTS A
REAL CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE SEEN 
AROUND SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION 
IN OUR COUNTRY, IN OUR 
INSTITUTIONS, INCLUDING IN THE 
RCMP.
THERE ARE MANY CONCRETE ACTIONS 
WE NEED TO TAKE.
AS I'VE SAID MANY TIMES, I'M 
COMMITTED TO TAKING THOSE 
ACTIONS.
WE NEED TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT 
CHANGE IN OUR COUNTRY FOR THE 
BETTER.
>> MR. SINGH. 
>> ONE SPECIFIC ELEMENT OF THE 
MOTION THAT WAS NEARLY PASSED 
YESTERDAY WAS TO COMMIT A FULL 
REVIEW SPECIFICALLY OF THE USE 
OF FORCE GIVEN THE RELEASE OF 
THAT REPORT WILL THE PRIME 
MINISTER COMMIT CLEARLY TO A 
REVIEW OF THE USE OF FORCE BY 
THE RCMP?
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: THESE
ARE IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS THAT
HAVE TO BE HAD BOTH WITHIN THE 
RCMP AND BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT 
AND THE RCMP AND BETWEEN 
CANADIANS AND THEIR POLICE 
FORCES, AND THESE ARE THINGS 
THAT WE WILL CERTAINLY MOVE 
FORWARD ON TOGETHER.
>> MR. SINGH. 
>> THE -- TRIBAL COUNCIL AND 
MOTHER OF CHANTEL MOORE, WHO WAS
KILLED BY THE RCMP, HAS 
REQUESTED A MEETING WITH THE 
PRIME MINISTER TO DISCUSS AND 
DETERMINE IMMEDIATE ACTIONS TO 
IMPLEMENT IN ORDER TO PREVENT 
MORE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FROM 
BEING KILLED BY THE POLICE.
WILL THE PRIME MINISTER MEET 
WITH CHANTEL MOORE'S MOTHER AND 
THE TRIBAL COUNCIL OF NEW CHAL 
KNIT?
>> OUR GOVERNMENT HAS CONTINUED 
TO MEET WITH CANADIANS WHO FACED
EXTREME DIFFICULTIES.
OBVIOUSLY OUR HEARTS GO OUT TO 
CHANTEL'S FAMILY AND THE ENTIRE 
COMMUNITY.
I WILL ENSURE THAT MEMBERS OF 
OUR GOVERNMENT ENGAGE DIRECTLY 
WITH HER FAMILY AND WITH THE 
MOTHER AND THE REST OF THE 
FAMILY AND WITH THE COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER ON 
CHANGING THINGS FOR THE BETTER 
IN CHANTEL'S MEMORY AND IN THE 
MEMORY OF ALL CANADIANS WHO HAVE
FALLEN IN THIS SITUATION.
>> MR. SINGH, WE HAVE ABOUT 20 
SECONDS LEFT.
>> OKAY.
[Speaking French]
[Voice of Interpreter]
THE HOUSE WAS GOING TO RECOGNIZE
THAT SYSTEMIC RACISM DOES EXIST 
WITHIN THE RCMP AND RECOGNIZED 
THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION.
DOES -- CAN THE PM COMMIT TODAY 
TO TAKE RAPID ACTION BECAUSE WE 
NEED CONCRETE ACTION RAPIDLY.
>> THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PRIME 
MINISTER.
>> Prime Minister Trudeau: YES, 
MR. CHAIR, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT 
THERE IS SYSTEMIC RACISM WITHIN 
OUR COUNTRY, AND WE COMMIT TO 
TAKING CONCRETE AND QUICK ACTION
SOON TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE IN 
COOPERATION WITH OTHERS.
>> WE WILL NOW TAKE A SHORT 
BREAK TO ALLOW OTHERS TO -- 
[ End of Interpretation ]
>> Rosemary: OKAY, THAT IS THE 
FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS AND 
ANSWERS INSIDE THE COVID 
COMMITTEE TODAY.
THE PRIME MINISTER TAKING 
QUESTIONS.
A VERY STRANGE MOMENT THAT WE'LL
TALK ABOUT NOW WITH VASSY 
KAPELOS AND CATHERINE CULLEN.
I FOUND IT STRANGE, ANYWAY.
THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS TRYING TO 
MAKE A POINT THAT JAGMEET SINGH 
HAD NOT APOLOGIZED FOR CALLING 
ONE OF ITS MEMBERS RACIST 
YESTERDAY, AND THE BLOC TRYING 
TO IN FACT HAVE HIM REMOVED OR 
NOT RECOGNIZED FROM THE HOUSE 
FOR A SECOND DAY.
THE SPEAKER SAID THAT HE WOULD 
TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION 
BUT DID MAKE THE POINT THAT 
YESTERDAY WHEN THAT HAPPENED 
THEY WERE IN A SITTING OF THE 
HOUSE.
THIS WAS A SITTING OF THE 
COMMITTEE.
DIFFERENT RULES APPLY, AND SO HE
ALLOWED JAGMEET SINGH TO ASK HIS
QUESTIONS.
I'LL BRING IN VASSY AND 
CATHERINE HERE.
I SAY THAT IT WAS STRANGE ONLY 
BECAUSE I SUPPOSE IT'S ABOUT THE
BLOC MAKING A POINT.
I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THAT -- I
DON'T KNOW.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S 
GOING TO REFLECT ON THEM TO TRY 
AND HAVE THE NDP LEADER BOUNCED 
AGAIN FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS 
BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T APOLOGIZE 
FOR A COMMENT THAT HE BELIEVES 
IS WHAT HE FELT AND HOW HE FEELS
ABOUT IT.
AND I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT 
THE LEADER OF THE BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS
ALLOWED THE M.P. IN QUESTION, 
ALAIN THERRIEN, TO ASK THE 
QUESTIONS OF THE PRIME MINISTER 
TODAY, AND I'M SURE THAT TOO WAS
PART OF THE BLOC'S RESPONSE TO 
HOW THIS UNFOLDED, VASSY.
>> Vassy: YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE 
TO ASSUME THAT THAT WAS A VERY 
PURPOSEFUL MEASURE BY THE BLOC 
QUÉBÉCOIS.
HE LED THE ROUND OF QUESTIONING,
ALAIN THERRIEN, WHO DID.
I GUESS STRANGE IS THE RIGHT 
WORD.
IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT MAYBE WHAT 
WE EXPECTED AS WE WATCHED IT 
UNFOLD.
I TOOK NOTE FROM THE SPEAKER 
THAT THAT MEMBER OF THE BLOC 
QUÉBÉCOIS, THAT M.P., HAD 
SUBMITTED A LETTER TO HIM PRIOR 
TO THE START OF WHAT WE WERE 
WATCHING IN COMMITTEE THERE 
TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED 
YESTERDAY WITH MR. SINGH AND I 
GUESS DEMANDING SOME ACTION FROM
THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE -- OR THE 
SPEAKER, RATHER.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THOSE 
SPECIFIC ACTIONS WOULD BE, BUT 
THEN IN PERSON STOOD UP AS YOU 
POINTED OUT, ROSIE, AND TWICE OR
MAYBE EVEN THREE TIMES ASKED THE
SPEAKER TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE IN 
FORMAL TERMS MR. SINGH, WHICH 
MEANS DON'T LET HIM ASK 
QUESTIONS.
HE WAS UP TO ASK THE PRIME 
MINISTER QUESTIONS, AND AS YOU 
SAY, THE SPEAKER DENIED THAT 
REQUEST AND SAID I'M PROCEEDING 
AS NORMAL BECAUSE IT SEEMS WEIRD
TO SAY, BUT THIS IS A COMMITTEE 
AND YESTERDAY WAS A VERY 
DIFFERENT SORT OF SETTING, AND 
THEREFORE THE SET OF RULES THAT 
APPLIES OR THE WAY IN WHICH THE 
SPEAKER INTERPRETS THEM CAN 
CHANGE BASED ON THOSE 
CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THEN YOU 
HEARD MR. SINGH GET UP AND 
ACTUALLY HIS LINE OF QUESTIONING
WAS VERY INTERESTING AS WELL, 
BECAUSE IT WAS DIRECTED TOWARDS 
THE PRIME MINISTER, BUT IT ALL 
DID COME ON THE HEELS OR RATHER 
I GUESS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF 
THAT MOTION THAT STARTED ALL OF 
THIS OR THAT KICKED EVERYTHING 
OFF YESTERDAY.
THAT MOTION FROM MR. SINGH, HE 
WAS LOOKING FOR UNANIMOUS 
CONSENT.
HE WANTED SUPPORT FROM EVERYONE 
IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS DURING 
THAT YESTERDAY, AND IT TALKED 
ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM IN THE 
RCMP, AND IT ASKED BASICALLY THE
HOUSE OF COMMONS TO ACKNOWLEDGE 
THAT IT EXISTS AND THEN TAKE A 
SERIES OF ACTIONS IN LIGHT OF 
THAT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.
AND THOSE ACTIONS ARE WHAT THE 
LEADER OF THE NDP FOCUSED ON IN 
THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING.
SO PRIME MINISTER, WILL YOU DO 
A, B AND C AS LAID OUT IN THE 
MOTION.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN 
INTERESTING JUST GIVEN 
EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED 
ALREADY AND CLEARLY MR. SINGH IS
SHOWING, YOU KNOW, IS TRYING TO 
SHOW THAT'S MY FOCUS, RIGHT, AND
WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT FROM THE
NDP, THAT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW,
LESS PERSONAL AND MORE FOCUSED 
ON POLICY AND CERTAINLY THAT IS 
WHAT MR. SINGH DID IN THAT LINE 
OF QUESTIONING.
>> Rosemary: AND JUST SO PEOPLE 
UNDERSTAND TOO, THE BLOC 
QUÉBÉCOIS SAID THAT THE REASON 
THEY DID NOT WANT THAT MOTION TO
GO AHEAD, AT LEAST THIS IS WHAT 
THE LEADER SAID TODAY, WAS THAT 
THEY DIDN'T WANT A COMMITTEE TO 
REACH A CONCLUSION BEFORE THEY 
HAD DONE A STUDY OF THE ISSUE, 
WHICH IS SORT OF HOW THINGS 
WORK.
AND I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT FOR 
PEOPLE NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW 
PARLIAMENT WORKS, THAT THERE IS 
SOMETHING CALLED UNPARLIAMENTARY
LANGUAGE, AND IT WAS VIEWED BY 
THE SPEAKER AT THE TIME THAT 
CALLING SOMEONE A RACIST WAS 
UNPARLIAMENTARY.
I UNDERSTAND WHY MANY CANADIANS 
WOULD FIND THAT ODD, BUT THAT IS
WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY, AND THE
POINT THE BLOC WAS TRYING TO 
MAKE IS YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED
TO INSULT OTHER PEOPLE.
I TOTALLY GET THAT RACISM AND 
THE FEELING THAT SOMEONE HAS 
DONE SOMETHING TO YOU, OR BEEN 
RACIST TOWARDS YOU, WOULD BE FAR
MORE IMPORTANT TO MORE PEOPLE 
THAN UNPARLIAMENTARY LANGUAGE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M JUST 
TRYING TO SET UP THE CONTEXT IN 
WHICH IT OPERATES, THE HOUSE OF 
COMMONS, WHICH IS PERHAPS, YOU 
KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DATED 
FOR THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE 
TRYING TO HAVE RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S HOW THAT UNFOLDED, 
AND THAT'S WHY IT BECAME SUCH AN
ISSUE AND CONTINUES TO BE TODAY,
CATHERINE.
I'M NOT SURE -- I'M NOT SURE HOW
THIS IS GOING TO UNFOLD.
I THINK THE NDP WAS PROBABLY 
RIGHT TO MOVE IT BACK TO THE 
ISSUES THAT THEY WANT FOCUSED 
ON.
>> Catherine: YEAH, I MEAN, IT 
WAS REMARKABLE, ROSEMARY, TO SEE
THAT YESTERDAY THE BLOC MADE 
THIS DECISION TO SHUT DOWN 
JAGMEET SINGH'S MOTION.
TODAY THEY TRIED TO SHUT HIM 
DOWN, AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT 
TO FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT WHAT 
WE HEARD FROM YVES-FRANÇOIS 
BLANCHET EARLIER TODAY IN HIS 
NEWS CONFERENCE, THE LEADER OF 
THE BLOC BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS, THAT 
THIS SUGGESTION THAT 
MR. THERRIEN IS RACIST, THAT HE 
BEHAVED IN A RACIST MANNER, WAS 
FROM THE BLOC'S PERSPECTIVE THE 
ULTIMATE INSULT.
YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET TALKED 
ABOUT THAT BEING IRRESPONSIBLE.
WHEN WE CONSIDER THIS FROM THE 
PERSPECTIVE OF JAGMEET SINGH, 
HIS CONCERN IS THAT MEMBERS OF 
PARLIAMENT ARE BEING DISMISSIVE 
ABOUT THE VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS 
THAT THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS 
LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW AROUND 
SYSTEMIC RACISM, THAT HE DOES 
NOT WANT TO GIVE THOSE CONCERNS,
YOU KNOW, ANY -- SUFFICIENT 
CONSIDERATION, LET'S SAY.
IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE AS 
WELL THAT MR. BLANCHET WAS ASKED
EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THE PROSPECT
OF A MEETING BETWEEN THE BLOC 
AND THE NDP TO HASH THINGS OUT.
YVES-FRANÇOIS BLANCHET SAID 
PERHAPS MR. THERRIEN SHOULD MEET
WITH MR. SINGH.
I MEAN, LOOK AT WHAT JUST 
HAPPENED.
WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT 
THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY SORT OF
TETE-A-TETE IMMEDIATELY.
I THINK THAT IS DIFFICULT TO 
IMAGINE.
SUBSTANTIVELY ON THE BIGGER 
ISSUE, THE PRIME MINISTER SAID 
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE 
SERVICES VERSUS POLICING, IT IS 
NOT AN EITHER/OR SITUATION.
HE IS NOT WEIGHING COMPLETELY 
DEFUNDING THE POLICE.
PERHAPS THAT'S NOT A SHOCK TO 
THE AVERAGE CANADIAN.
BUT HE DOES SAY WE NEED TO 
CONSIDER WHETHER THAT MONEY GOES
INTO HEALTH CARE OR POLICING.
HOW CAN IT BE BEST USED.
MR. SINGH PUSHING FOR 
SPECIFICATION.
WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF THEM, BUT
THE PRIME MINISTER TRIED TO 
COMMUNICATE A SENSE OF URGENCY 
TODAY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE 
IS, OTHER THAN IMMEDIATELY.
>> Rosemary: HE DOES SEEM TO 
KEEP SAYING THAT THERE IS AN 
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT SOMETHING 
CONCRETE NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THAT 
THEY WANT TO MOVE VERY QUICKLY 
ON SOME THINGS BEYOND THE 
GETTING THE RCMP TO HAVE BODY 
CAMERAS FOR SOME OF THEIR FORCE 
MEMBERS.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT 
IS, BUT IT DOES SOUND LIKE THERE
IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT 
SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN 
QUICKLY, AND WE EVEN HEARD THAT 
FROM MINISTER MILLER AT THE 
BEGINNING OF THAT QUESTION 
PERIOD, THE INDIGENOUS SERVICES 
MINISTER TALKING ABOUT HOW 
THINGS NEEDED TO CHANGE FOR 
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU BOTH VERY 
MUCH FOR YOUR COVERAGE.
I APPRECIATE IT.
YOU CAN SEE VASSY LATER TONIGHT 
ON "POWER & POLITICS".
I THINK PERHAPS JAGMEET SINGH 
WILL BE ON YOUR SHOW.
TOUCH WOOD.
YES, SO YOU'LL WANT TO WATCH 
THAT, AND CATHERINE CULLEN, OF 
COURSE YOU CAN WATCH HER LATER 
ON THE NATIONAL.
CATHERINE WILL BE DOING THE 
CONSERVATIVE DEBATE, AND VASSY 
HAS SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE 
CONSERVATIVE DEBATE STARTING AT 
7 EASTERN ON "CBC NEWS NETWORK."
SO THEY ARE VERY BUSY ALL DAY 
LONG.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH BOTH VERY 
MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT.
JUST TO RECAP SOME OF THE NEWS 
FROM THE PRIME MINISTER EARLIER,
OF COURSE, THE DECISION TO 
LAUNCH A CONTACT TRACING APP 
THAT WILL HAPPEN IN ONTARIO.
WE ARE EXPECTING MORE NEWS FROM 
PREMIER DOUG FORD AT THE TOP OF 
THE HOUR ON HOW THAT WILL WORK, 
WHEN IT WILL UNFOLD.
THE PRIME MINISTER SAYS THAT HE 
BELIEVES IT WILL DEAL WITH
