.
>>> WHAT'S UP, EVERYONE?
WELCOME BACK TO ANOTHER LIVE 
RECORDING OF THE ENGADGET 
PODCAST.
I'M SENIOR EDITOR DEVINDRA 
HARDAWAR AND I'M JOINED WITH 
CHERLYNN LOW.
>> HELLO.
>> OUR REVIEWS EDITOR AND OUR 
PRODUCER BEN ELMAN.
>> HELLO.
WHAT'S GOING ON?
>> WHAT'S UP?
AND IF YOU'VE NOT JOINED US 
BEFORE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO 
SEE HOW IT'S MADE.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO SEE HOW 
WE PUT THE SHOW ON.
WE ALSO TAKE TIME TO ASK PEOPLE 
QUESTIONS.
YOU CAN DROP THOSE IN THE 
YOUTUBE CHAT.
YOU CAN ALSO 
TWEET @ENGADGETPODCASTLIVE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH?
>> YEAH.
I THINK SO.
I WANT TO QUICKLY SHOUT OUT THE 
FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY 
GATHERED ON THE CHAT.
I RECOGNIZE NAMES FROM THE TWO 
UNBOXING LIVE STREAMS.
MARK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SEYASHA.
PETER FROM OLDER PODCAST LIVE 
STREAMS.
AND JAMES ANDERSON.
>> THANK YOU.
BY THE WAY, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO
BE JOINED BY CHRIS VELAZCO, OUR 
MOBILE GURU TO TALK ABOUT SOME 
FUN STUFF HE'S WORKING ON.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE A FUN SHOW.
I KNOW HOW MUCH THE INTERNET 
LOVES V AND ESPECIALLY US BEING 
TOGETHER, WHICH WAS LITERALLY 
THE FIRST NIGHT WE STARTED GOING
LIVE.
>> WE HAVE A COMMENT FOR BEN IN 
THE CHAT.
HE SAYS, BEN LOOKS VERY DOT, 
DOT, DOT, UH, I THINK YOUR 
PICTURE.
AND MOM ALWAYS SAID IF YOU KEEP 
MAKING THAT FACE, IT'LL FREEZE 
LIKE THAT.
>> IT'S TRUE.
>> IT'S REALLY BECAUSE I AM IN A
VACATION TIME SHARE RIGHT NOW, 
AND MY INTERNET IS REALLY WEIRD.
>> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BE IN A 
VACATION TIME SHARE RIGHT NOW.
[ LAUGHTER ]
DO EITHER OF YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN
THE CONTEXT AROUND THAT PICTURE?
BECAUSE IT IS ENGADGET RELATED.
>> BEN SPECIFICALLY PICKED AN 
ENGADGET RELATED PICTURE FOR THE
LIVE STREAM FOR THE PODCAST 
BECAUSE THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN 
WHEN WE USED TO BE IN AN OFFICE,
AND BEN WOULD COME IN.
[ LAUGHTER ]
AND HE HAPPENED TO BE IN THE 
OFFICE WHEN V WAS TRYING OUT THE
NEW PRINGLES HUNGER HAMMER.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT
A REAL PRODUCT.
THIS IS REALLY JUST LIKE A PR 
THING.
>> SURE!
>> EXCEPT FOR RAZOR CEO WAS ALSO
LIKE LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
SO WHO KNOWS MAYBE RAZOR'S IN 
THE WORKS.
RAZOR'S GOING TO MAKE EVERYTHING
HAPPEN.
ARE WE GOOD TO GO?
I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TOO MUCH 
OF OUR VIEWERS' TIME.
>> WE'RE READY TO RECORD ANY 
TIME.
DO WE NEED TO SYNC, BEN?
>> NO.
I HAVE A TIMER GOING ALREADY.
YOU CAN START WHEN YOU'RE READY.
AND I THINK WE'RE STARTING WITH 
NVIDIA.
IS THAT RIGHT?
>> WHAT'S UP, CHERLYNN?
>> I JUST WANTED TO REMIND 
EVERYONE THAT'S WATCHING THAT 
WHILE WE'RE DOING THE PROPER 
RECORDING OF THE SHOW, WE'RE NOT
GOING TO BE ABLE TO TALK 
DIRECTLY TO YOU LIKE WE'RE DOING
NOW.
BUT IN BETWEEN SEGMENTS, WE'LL 
BE ABLE TO PAUSE AND TAKE SOME 
QUESTIONS.
>> SO GET THOSE READY.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE RECORDING
THE SHOW OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE 
CHRIS VELAZCO WON'T BE ABLE TO 
JOIN US UNTIL 11:00.
SO, WE WILL -- IT'S GOING TO BE 
IN A DIFFERENT ORDER IN THE 
FINAL SHOW.
BUT YOU'LL GET TO SEE A LOT OF 
FUN STUFF.
>> I WILL STAY STAY TUNED TILL 
THE END BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO 
TALK ABOUT THE GALAXY SAMSUNG 
GALAXY Z FOLD 2.
HE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR 
QUESTIONS LIVE.
BUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER 
THOSE QUESTIONS NEAR THE END 
AROUND 11, 11:30.
>> WE ARE GOING TO START WITH 
THE NVIDIA NEWS.
WE'LL JUST DO EVERYTHING ELSE.
>>> WHAT'S UP, INTERNET, AND 
WELCOME BACK TO THE ENGADGET 
PODCAST.
I'M SENIOR ED TOWARD DEVINDRA 
HARDAWAR.
>> I'M REVIEWS EDITOR CHERLYNN 
LOW.
>> AND THIS WEEK WE'RE GOING TO 
BE TALKING ABOUT THE GALAXY Z 
FOLD 2 WITH OUR MOBILE EDITOR 
CHRIS VELAZCO.
IT'S BEEN A VERY BUSY WEEK.
THERE'S NEWS FROM NVIDIA AND 
INTEL, NEW HARDWARE FROM 
EVERYBODY.
I IF OF COURSE A IS GOING ON.
THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF, SO MUCH 
NEWS.
I AM VERY TIRED.
CHERLYNN, ARE YOU TIRED?
>> I AM NOT TIRED BECAUSE I AM 
DEAD.
>> OKAY.
SURE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
WE'RE EITHER DEAD OR TIRED, YOU 
KNOW.
THE PODCAST IS GIVING US LIFE.
>> YES.
>> BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO US ON
YOUR ITUNES OR YOUR PODCATCHER 
OF CHOICE.
ALL SUPPORT HELPS KEEP US GOING.
DROP US AN EMAIL AT 
PODCAST@ENGADGET.COM.
JOIN US LIVE.
WE DO LIVE SHOWS EVERY THURSDAYS
AROUND 10:00 A.M. EASTERN.
IF YOU JOIN US LIVE ON OUR 
YOUTUBE CHANNEL, YOU CAN ASK US 
QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE 
USUALLY Q&A SEGMENTS.
THAT'S ALWAYS A FUN THING, 
RIGHT?
>> WE LOVE INTERACTING WITH YOU 
GUYS HONESTLY.
WE KNOW A LOT OF YOU ARE REGULAR
LISTENERS SO WE APPRECIATE THE 
SHERPOT -- THE SUPPORT.
IT'S TOO EARLY IN THE MORNING!
>> WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE 
SHERPORT.
THAT IS INTRO.
WE'LL GO STRAIGHT INTO THE 
VIDEO.
SO THIS WEEK WAS A PRETTY BIG 
NEWS WEEK FOR PC GAMER AND PC 
GAMES IN GENERAL.
NVIDIA HAD A BIG EVENT, ACTUALLY
LIKE A 30-MINUTE LIVESTREAM, BUT
THE NEWS WAS HUGE BECAUSE THEY 
ANNOUNCED THE NEW RTX 3000 
CARDS.
THESE ARE THINGS WE'VE BEEN 
WAITING FOR FOR A VERY LONG 
TIME.
IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE THEY 
ANNOUNCED THE RTX CARDS.
AND THEY'RE VERY EXCITED -- 
EXCITING.
THIS PROMISES TO BE BOTH FASTER 
AND MORE EFFICIENT THAN THE LAST
GENERATION CARDS.
WITH THE FIRST RTX CARDS NVIDIA 
INTRODUCED REALTIME RAY TRACING 
TO VIDEO GAMING.
WE SAW THIS ADOPTED BY CONTROL 
AND I BELIEVE BATTLEFIELD, NOT 
VERY MANY BUT A COUPLE.
AND I LOVE CONTROL SO MUCH.
BUT THE THING WE LEARNED IS NO 
MATTER HOW POWERFUL YOUR CARD 
WAS, EVEN IF YOU HAD THE $1,200 
RTX CONTROL, YOU FLIP ON RTX, 
AND THAT CARD WILL START TO 
REALLY CHUG, WHICH WAS KIND OF 
SAD.
NO MATTER HOW THE GAME LOOKS 
GREAT, BUT RTX REALLY TOOK THOSE
CARDS DOWN QUITE A BIT.
THE RT 300 CARDS LOOK LIKE 
THEY'RE GOING TO BE A HUGE BUMP 
FOR REALTIME TRACING.
I THINK THE MOST INTERESTING ONE
IS THE 499 RTX 3070 WHICH NVIDIA
SAYS IS FASTER THAN THE 2080 TI.
IT'S A $500 CARD THAT IS 
TECHNICALLY FASTER THAN THEIR 
OLD $1,200 CARD BECAUSE THAT 
THING LAUNCHED QUITE A BIT.
THAT'S A HUGE VALUE FOR GAMERS.
PEOPLE WHO HAD THE GTX 1000 
LINE.
THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO UPGRADE.
THERE'S ALSO THE 699 RTX 3080, 
WHICH IS THE NEW, LIKE, TOP OF 
THE LINE FOR THE MAINSTREAM 
BUNCH OF CARDS.
BUT THE THING THEY REALLY LEFT 
FOR THE END IS THE RTX 3090, 
WHICH IS 1499.
THIS CARD IS HUGE.
THIS CARD TAKES UP THREE PCI 
SLOTS.
IT'S A BEAST.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A VIDEO CARD 
THAT LOOKS THIS HUGE.
I'VE SEEN PCs THAT ARE MAYBE THE
SIZE OF THIS VIDEO CARD.
IT'S A BIG THING.
AND WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR IS 
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE BETTER 
FOR RTX.
THE NEW ARCHITECTURE HANDLES RTX
A LOT MORE EFFICIENTLY WITHOUT 
HITTING YOUR FRAME RATES AS 
MUCH.
THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO DRAW A LOT
MORE POWER TOO.
IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO 
SEE WHAT POWER LIMITS PEOPLE 
COME INTO AS THEY START TO ADOPT
THESE THINGS.
I WILL SAY THE RTX 3090 IS 
PROBABLY A GREAT THING FOR A LOT
OF LIKE CREATORS AND NOT JUST 
GAMERS BUT PEOPLE WHO GAME AND 
ALSO SHOOT AND EDIT VIDEO.
THEY DO A LOT OF STUFF HERE.
>> I KNOW ONE OF OUR VIDEO 
PRODUCERS ON THE STUDIO'S TEAM 
WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE 
NVIDIA NEWS.
AND ALSO CAN I JUST TALK ABOUT 
THAT EVENT REALLY QUICKLY?
BECAUSE IT HAPPENED I THINK 
RIGHT AFTER THE GALAXY Z FOLD 2 
EVENT.
SO THAT WAS A REALLY, REALLY 
PACKED DAY.
CHRIS VELAZCO AND I HAD BEEN 
DOING A LIVESTREAM EARLIER THAT 
DAY SO WE WERE CUTTING INTO 
NVIDIA'S EVENT TIME.
IT WAS HAPPENING OUT OF JENSEN'S
AND I FORGET HIS LAST NAME, HIS 
KITCHEN.
>> YEAH.
IT WAS IN FRONT OF HIS KITCHEN 
AND HIS GIANT CHEF'S STOVE.
BUT HIS STOVE, WHICH HAS A HUGE 
VENT HOOD LIKE EVERY RICH PERSON
WILL HAVE.
HIS STOVE HAS LIKE MARBLE 
COLUMNS TO THE SIDES OF THEM.
AND REALLY ORNATE THINGS YOU'D 
FIND IN A MUSEUM JUST SITTING IN
HIS KITCHEN.
>> YEAH.
I HEARD HE HAS A FANTASTIC 
SPATULA COLLECTION, WHICH IS 
GREAT.
>> HE DOES.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE CEO 
OF NVIDIA AND NOT REALLY KICK 
BUTT WITH YOUR SPATULA 
COLLECTION.
I WAS ACTUALLY WAITING, BECAUSE 
THEY WERE SHOWING OFF A LOT OF 
STUFF RTX COULD DO IN REALTIME.
I WAS WAITING FOR HIM TO HIT A 
BUTTON AND BE LIKE THIS KITCHEN 
IS RENDERED REALTIME IN RTX.
THAT'D BE HILARIOUS.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> THE RETRACING LIKE PROVIDED 
THE SPECTRUM.
I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE -- 
>> REALISTIC RETRACING STUFF, 
YEAH.
WHAT ELSE FROM NVIDIA?
THEY SHOWED OFF A BUNCH OF 
SOFTWARE.
THEY SHOWED OFF, YOU KNOW, A 
BUNCH OF FEATURES SPECIFICALLY 
THINGS THAT WOULD LIKE HELP YOU 
CANCEL NOISE AND HELP YOU REMOVE
BACKGROUNDS WHICH WILL ALSO BE 
POWERED BY YOUR RTX CARDS.
THEY ARE FIGURING OUT A LOT OF 
NEW WAYS TO USE THE HARDWARE 
THEY HAVE.
THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT THIS 
THING -- I FORGET THE EXACT NAME
OF IT, BUT IT IS A DIRECT 
STORAGE TECHNOLOGY THAT'LL 
BASICALLY HELP YOU GET THE 
TEXTURES FROM THE CARD RIGHT TO 
YOUR SYSTEM WITHOUT WAITING FOR 
THE DISC SLOWDOWN.
IT BASICALLY MEANS LIKE LOW TIME
CAN BE INSTANT, STREAMING BIG 
OPEN WORLD GAMES COULD BE A LOT 
FASTER.
THIS IS TECHNOLOGY WE'VE BEEN 
SORT OF HEARING ABOUT ON THE 
PLAY STATION 5 AND XBOX SERIES 
X.
SO IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE THAT 
WE'RE STARTING TO HEAR ABOUT IT 
TOO ON PCs TOO.
THIS IS THE FUTURE OF GAMING.
AND, YEAH, WE WILL HAVE SOME 
IMPRESSIONS SOON.
I'M VERY EXCITED MAINLY FOR THE 
RETRACING.
RETRACING LOOKS SO GOOD.
LET ME TAKE A STEP HERE.
MY HEADSET JUST GAVE ME A BEEP 
AND IT WAS LIKE, HEY, YOU SHOULD
CHARGE ME.
SO LET ME JUST FIND -- WHAT YOU 
UP TO, CHERLYNN?
>> LET ME JUST TAKE A LOOK AT 
THE CHATS.
MY STUFF IS FINE, Y'ALL.
SO WE GOT JAMES SAYING HE'S GOT 
THE 2080 TI.
PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE 3090 IS 
STILL $500 CHEAPER THAN A GALAXY
FOLD.
>> OH, GOD.
THAT'S A POINT WE SHOULD 
DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY MAKE 
RIGHT HERE.
>> WE WILL TAKE THAT POINT INTO 
THE POD CAST.
THANK YOU.
LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE HYPE ABOUT 
THE CARDS.
WE CAN GET SUCH HIGH RES VIRTUAL
REALITY IN THE FUTURE.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A BUNCH OF 
NOISE BECAUSE I HAVE A STORM OF 
CABLES.
>> NO WORRIES.
GOING BACK THROUGH THE 
COMMENTS --
>> LET'S RAISE THAT POINT 
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY 
INTERESTING.
>> WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE
PODCAST NOW.
>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE 
INTEL NEWS.
WE CAN SAY "SPEAKING OF PC 
INTERNALS" OR SOMETHING.
FIRE WHEN READY.
>> SO, THE BIG TAKEAWAY WITH 
THESE RTX CARDS, BETTER 
RETRACING AND BETTER PRICING 
TOO.
FOR 1,500 BUCKS, THAT'S A LOT OF
MONEY, BUT STILL 500 BUCKS 
CHEAPER THAN THE GALAXY Z FOLD 
2.
AND THE TITAN WENT I BELIEVE 
5,000 BUCKS.
LIKE THOSE THINGS WENT FOR 
SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THIS IS A HUGE LEAP IN 
PERFORMANCE.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE VAGUELY 
ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE WHO DO A 
LOT OF VIDEO EDITING AND CONTENT
CREATION.
WHAT GOES WELL WITH A GOOD -- 
HOW ABOUT A BRAND NEW CBU.
TECHNICALLY NOT TRUE, BUT INTEL 
DID TELL US THE FIRST BUNCH OF 
ITS TIGER LAKE CHIP NEWS.
THEY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE 
ARCHITECTURE.
THIS WEEK THEY SHOWED OFF SOME 
OF THE ACTUAL MODELS WE'LL BE 
ABLE TO GET.
AND THESE ARE ONLY FOR LAPTOPS 
RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE 
DESKTOP CHIPS.
SO I GUESS THAT TRANSITION 
DOESN'T QUITE WORK.
BUT THESE CHIPS SEEM VERY 
EXCITING.
THEY HAVE ALSO COME UP WITH SOME
NEW ARCHITECTURE THAT'S SUPER 
THIN TRANSISTOR CHEMICAL WHICH 
MEANS THEY CAN HIT HIGHER CLOCK 
RATES.
I THINK THESE CHIPS ARE 1 
GIGAHERTZ FASTER THAN THEY WERE 
BEFORE.
>> WHOA, ONE WHOLE GIGAHERTZ?
>> I THINK BEFORE THEY KIND OF 
MAXED OUT AROUND 4 WITH SOME OF 
THEM.
BUT WE'RE SEEING NOW LIKE 4.5 
GIGAHERTZ.
THESE TIGER LAKE CHIPS ARE FOR 
THEIR ULTRA THINS, ULTRA 
PORTABLES.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN
THE LOWER POWER THERMAL 
PROFILES.
BUT THEY SEEM PRETTY EXCITING.
THEY SEEM FAST.
AND THE NEW INTEL XE GRAPHICS 
ARE GOING TO BE A HUGE LEAP 
AHEAD OF THE GRAPHS WE SAW 
LAST YEAR.
THEY WERE SHOWING OFF THINGS 
LIKE GEARS TACTICS.
THEY WERE GETTING NEAR 55 FPS, 
WHEREAS AMDs, MOST RECENT 
CPU/GPU, THAT RISE IN COMBO WAS 
GETTING AROUND 30 FPS.
THEY'RE DOING PRETTY WELL.
SO I'M EXCITED.
YEAH, NOT AT&T, AMD, NOT AT&T.
[ LAUGHTER ]
GOD.
I AM SO TIRED.
THEY'RE REALLY BRINGING THE 
FIGHT, WHICH IS REALLY COOL.
AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS INTEL
ANNOUNCED INTEL EVO WHICH IS 
THEIR NEW SECOND GENERATION 
BRANDING.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A STICKER 
YOU'LL BE SEEING ON SYSTEMS THIS
FALL AND INTO NEXT YEAR.
AND THESE DESCRIBE SYSTEMS THAT 
REALLY JUST HIT ALL THEIR 
PERFORMANCE BENCHMARKS FOR 11th 
GEN BEGINS.
THEY'LL WAKE FROM SLEEP WITHIN A
SECOND.
THEY WILL FAST CHARGE UP TO FOUR
HOURS WITHIN 30 MINUTES.
THEY'LL HAVE NINE HOURS OF REAL 
WORLD BATTERY LIFE IN 1080P.
IT'S A REALLY EASY WAY TO FIGURE
OUT WHICH SYSTEMS ARE GOOD, 
WHICH SYSTEMS HAVE THE BEST 
TECHNOLOGY, AND THE THING ABOUT 
PROJECT ATHENA, WE DIDN'T 
REALLY -- THEY NEVER LABELED 
THEM.
THAT WAS A THING THEY TALKED 
ABOUT WITH US WITH THE MEDIA.
BUT I DON'T THINK CONSUMERS EVER
LEARNED WHAT PROJECT ATHENA WAS,
RIGHT, CHERLYNN?
>> JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S USING
THE NAME PROJECT, IT DOES SEEM 
VERY UNCERTAIN OR NOT CONFIRMED.
THE WAY I READ THE EVO NEWS WAS 
JUST LIKE THIS IS OUR OFFICIAL 
BRANDING FOR ATHENA, AND MOVING 
FORWARD YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE 
WORD EVO.
AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE FAMILIAR 
WITH THE ULTRABOOK BRANDING 
DAYS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A 
SIMILAR SORT OF QUEUE THAT YOU 
CAN BUY IT AND IT'LL LAST LONG.
>> IT REMINDS ME OF THAT BECAUSE
ULTRABOOK WAS A BADGE, ULTRABOOK
pWAS A BIG MARKETING TERM.
AND THEY DESCRIBED A NEW TYPE OF
COMPUTER WHICH HONESTLY LOOKED 
LIKE THE MacBOOK AIR.
BUT NOW THESE INTEL EVO MACHINES
ARE GOING TO BE ALL SORTS OF NEW
DIFFERENT THINGS.
ACUS ANNOUNCED A NEW CONVERTIBLE
THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE 8.26 
POUNDS.
SUPER FAST, VERY LIGHT BUT STILL
WITH A DECENT AMOUNT OF 
PERFORMANCE.
I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING TO 
A POINT WHERE THE PCs OF OUR 
DREAMS, MAYBE A SURFACE-LIKE 
DEVICE THAT IS ACTUALLY POWERFUL
AND CAN DO A LOT MORE.
THOSE THINGS ARE BECOMING MORE 
REALITY WITH THESE CHIPS.
>> I ALREADY FOUND PROJECT 
ATHENA LAPTOPS SUPER NICE 
LOOKING.
AND THEY'RE VERY LIGHT.
IF EVO IMPROVES ON THAT, IT'D BE
REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
I THINK IF EVO JUST CONTINUES 
WHAT IT'S BEEN DOING, I WOULD BE
SATISFIED.
MOST OF THEM LAST LONG ENOUGH.
MOST OF THEM, AGAIN, THE DESIGNS
ARE GREAT, PERFORMANCE IS 
DECENT, PRETTY RELIABLE.
I THINK THIS IS GOOD NEWS FOR 
CONSUMERS OVERALL.
>> DEFINITELY.
>> I WANTED TO ASK YOU REALLY 
QUICK ON INTEL XE GRAPHICS.
YOU SAY IT CAN HIT 55.
>> XE IS TECHNICALLY DELETE TECH
THAT'S BUNDLED INTEGRATED 
DIRECTLY ALONGSIDE THE GPU, 
SIMILAR TO HOW AMDs ARE 
GRAPHICS, PROCESSORS RIGHT NEXT 
TO THE CPU.
PRETTY MUCH ON DI.
THE INTEL HD GRAPHICS ARE LIKE 
BASIC, BASIC INTEGRATED STUFF IS
STILL AROUND FOR SOME OF THE 
CHEAPER CHIPS BECAUSE SOME 
COMPANIES MAY PUT A TIGER LAKE 
CHIP WITH AN NVIDIA GPU OR EVEN 
AN AMD -- LIKE THERE ARE 
DIFFERENT WAYS OF CONFIGURING 
THESE THINGS.
BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY HAVE THE 
CHOICE, THE WHAT KIND OF 
TAKINGER LAKE CHIP THEY CAN BE 
DOING.
AND SPEAKING OF XE, I THINK WE 
DID LEARN EARLIER THIS YEAR TOO 
THAT XC TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING 
FORWARD INTO OTHER STUFF TOO.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A 
DEDICATED VIDEO CARD NEXT YEAR 
THAT YOU WILL PLUG INTO PCI SLOT
AND WILL EVENTUALLY COMPETE WITH
AMD AND NVIDIA STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO 
HAPPEN WITH THAT.
IT'S VERY EXCITING TO BE A PC 
GAMER AND A PC ENTHUSIAST RIGHT 
NOW BECAUSE INTEL'S GOING INTO 
UNCHARTED TERRITORY.
NORMALLY AMD HAS DONE THE GREAT 
JOB OF DOING GRAPHICS POWER IN A
SINGLE PACKAGE.
THERE'S A LOT WE DON'T KNOW.
I'M SURE AMD IS IN A CORNER JUST
LIKE -- I WOULD SAY LIKE BIDING 
ITS TIME.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE SOME MAJOR 
ANNOUNCEMENTS COMING.
THE 4000 SERIES LAPTOP TIPS WERE
PRETTY FANTASTIC.
AND WE DIDN'T SEE ENOUGH OF THEM
ACTUALLY HIT MACHINES.
I REVIEWED THE ROG G14, AND THAT
MACHINE IS FANTASTIC.
SO FAST, AFFORDABLE.
AND IT WAS NAMED A PROCESSOR 
TOGETHER WITH NVIDIA GRAPHICS.
STILL MY FAVORITE GAMING LAPTOP 
OF THE YEAR.
SO COMPETITION IS GOOD.
THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY EXACTLY 
THE COMPETITION OF THESE 
CHIPMAKERS IS HEATING UP.
I THINK INTEL HAS FELT THAT IT'S
NEEDING TO KEEP UP FOR A BIT 
NOW.
SO I'M GLAD THEY'RE STEPPING UP.
>> FOR SURE.
AND, LISTEN, LIKE, INTEL 
CERTAINLY DESERVES CRITICISM FOR
ITS DELAYS.
I THINK THEY HAD JUST RECENTLY 
ANNOUNCED THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY
7-N ANOMETER CHIPS PROBABLY NOT 
UNTIL 2022.
BUT WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING IS 
THAT THEY HAVE A MASTERY OF 
THEIR DESIGN IN THEIR 
FABRICATION.
THEY WERE ABLE TO EEK OUT 
PERFORMANCE THAT THEY WERE USING
LAST YEAR.
THE PERFORMANCE MATTERS AT THE 
END MORE THAN WHAT THE MICRONS 
OF YOUR CHIP ARCHITECTURE, IF 
THEY CAN GET GOOD PERFORMANCE 
OUT OF TEN, THAT'S STILL GOOD 
FOR CONSUMERS.
I'M DOWN WITH THAT.
ARE YOU EXCITED BY ANY OF THIS, 
CHERLYNN?
BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD OF 
SOME OF THESE INTEL LAPTOPS.
>> DEFINITELY EXCITED TO SEE 
WHAT THE POWER IMPROVEMENTS WILL
BE FOR THE LAPTOPS.
BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THESE 
START ROLLING OUT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY FEELS, THIS IS A
PRETTY NERDY TOPIC, BUT IF YOU 
HAVE ANY DEEP THOUGHTS ABOUT 
NVIDIA VERSUS THE INTEL CHIPS 
SEND US AN EMAIL.
>> COOL.
>> I THINK WE CAN TAKE SOME 
QUESTIONS.
>> MARK WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR
FAVORITE GAMING LAPTOP WAY THE. 
>> THAT WOULD BE THE ROG 14.
I GAVE IT LIKE A 90 OR ABOVE.
THAT'S THE ONE I RECOMMEND TO 
ANYBODY NOW.
OUR GAMING LAPTOP GUIDE JUST 
WENT OUT.
SO GO READ THAT.
I HAVE A LOT OF TIPS ABOUT HOW 
TO BUY A GAMING LAPTOP.
AND THE ROG IS A THING I PUSH 
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
>> YOU WERE WORKING ON THAT FOR 
THE LAST LIKE SEVERAL WEEKS, 
RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
>> THE RTX 3090 IS THE ONE THAT 
TAKES UP THREE SLOTS THAT IS 500
WATTS.
THAT'S NOT MEANT TO BE INSIDE A 
LAPTOP, IS IT?
>> NO, CHERLYNN, NO.
WHAT?
NO!
>> THAT'S A QUESTION FROM A 
YOUTUBER.
>> I LIKE TO YELL AT YOU.
BUT I'M YELLING AT YOU TO YELL 
AT THE CHAT.
THESE ARE DESKTOP CARDS, PEOPLE.
THESE ARE NOT LAPTOP CARDS.
WE WILL EVENTUALLY SEE THE 
LAPTOP CARDS WITH THIS 
TECHNOLOGY.
AND IN THE PAST, NVIDIA HAS 
SHOWN THE LAPTOP STUFF WITHIN 
LIKE SIX MONTHS.
SO WE'LL GET THERE, BUT LAPTOP 
STUFF IS FAST.
SO THINK ABOUT THAT.
THIS IS A GOOD TIME WHERE PEOPLE
START THINKING ABOUT EXTERNAL 
GPU ENCLOSURES WHICH YOU CAN 
HOOK UP TO YOUR PC WITH A 
NOTEBOOK WITH A THUNDERBOLT 
PORT.
MAYBE THAT WILL BE NEXT YEAR 
BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE
ABLE TO FIT THE 3090 CHIP INTO A
LAPTOP, NO MATTER HOW BIG THAT 
LAPTOP IS.
I THINK THOSE WILL PROBABLY TOP 
OUT AT 3080.
>> I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION 
BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
CAN YOU GIVE ME LIKE A 
TWO-MINUTE PRIMER ON HOW A LOT 
OF THESE GRAPHICS CARD COMPANIES
ARE SPLITTING THEIR BUSINESS 
BETWEEN GAMERS AND, LIKE, VIDEO 
STUFF THAT THEY STARTED ON AND 
BITCOIN MINING?
>> SO THE BITCOIN STUFF, FROM 
WHAT WE'VE SEEN, I HAVEN'T LIKE 
FOLLOWED THIS MARKET TOO 
CLOSELY.
BUT THERE WAS A POINT A COUPLE 
YEARS AGO WHERE THE BITCOIN 
MINERS WERE BASICALLY EATING UP 
ALL THE GPU STOCK.
THEY WOULD GO TO STORES, BUY ALL
THE CARDS, AND THAT MARKET 
CRASHED AND IT CRASHED HARD 
BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T ACTUALLY 
GETTING THAT MUCH RETURNS FROM 
THEM ANYMORE.
I THINK WE'RE WAY PAST THAT.
SOME OF THESE COMPANIES HAVE 
RELEASED LIKE CHEAPER CARDS THAT
WILL DO THE NUMBER CRUNCHING 
YOU'D NEED FROM MINING.
BUT NOBODY'S REALLY DOING THAT 
ANYMORE BECAUSE THE MONEY ISN'T 
THERE.
BEFORE THE MONEY WAS ACTUALLY 
THERE TO DO THAT.
AND NOW YOUR ELECTRICITY COSTS 
FOR DOING THAT CRUNCHING WILL 
OUTWEIGH THE MONEY YOU EARN FROM
THE CRUNCHING.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HUGE 
THING.
WHEN IT COMES TO VIDEO 
PERFORMANCE, I FEEL LIKE 
EVERYONE'S JUGGLING.
THEY'RE JUGGLING GAMING 
PERFORMANCE AND COMPETE 
PERFORMANCE IN A SINGLE GPU.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN
INCREASING OVER THE PAST FEW 
YEARS.
SO, ANY GPU WILL DO -- IF YOU'RE
A VIDEO EDITOR, WILL HELP.
IF YOU BUY A LAPTOP WITH A 
DEDICATED GPU, YOU WILL GET SOME
SPEEDUP WITH RENDERING TIMES.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE AIM FOR.
SO THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE R
ROG G14.
BUT THAT $1,500 3090, I CAN ONLY
IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR 
VIDEO PRODUCERS, CHRIS, HE IS 
CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO GET INTO 
THIS CARD.
BECAUSE HE'S A GAMER BUT ALSO 
HE'S PRODUCING VIDEO FOR US IN 
ENGADGET.
AND I THINK ANYBODY WHOSE LIFE 
RESOLVES AROUND CHUGGING THROUGH
TONS OF DATA AND DOING A LOT OF 
RENDERING AND COMPUTING 3D 
RENDERERS, EVEN PEOPLE WHO USE 
AUDIO WILL BE ABLE TO USE THIS 
STUFF IN FASCINATING WAYS.
IT'S STILL GAMING FOCUSED.
BUT I THINK A LOT MORE COMPANIES
ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW 
PEOPLE USE COMPUTE RENDERING 
WITH GPUs.
>> PETER SAID THEY NEED TO 
FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET 
CONNECTIVITY IN THE UP CHIPS.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT 
THAT?
>> THAT'S CHERLYNN.
>> 100% INTEL IS BEHIND ON ITS 
CONNECTIVITY.
INTEL'S STILL WORKING ON ITS 
ATOM RADIOS.
[ LAUGHTER ]
SO GOOD LUCK.
KEEP TRYING.
I'VE HEARD OR SEEN OF PCMAKERS 
CONSIDERING COMBINING INTEL 
POWER WITH SNAP DRAGON.
RADIOS POSSIBLY.
BUT INSTEAD OF THAT PARTNERSHIP 
ACTUALLY WHAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 
HAPPENING IS IT'S TEAMING UP 
WITH MEDIA TECH TO TRY TO WORK 
ON 5G PC TECH.
IT ISN'T THE MOST -- THAT IS NOT
EVERYONE'S FAVORITE WHEN IT 
COMES TO LIKE CHIP SETS.
SO WE'LL SEE.
I KNOW THAT I KEEP TRYING TO 
COVER MEDIA TECH NEWS.
BUT OUR NEWS TEAM'S ALWAYS LIKE 
THIS IS TOO INCREMENTAL.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPETITOR 
TO QUALCOMM.
BUT IN TERMS OF DELIVERING 
HIGH-END STUFF, MEDIA TECH'S 
REALLY STRUGGLED.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE 
WHAT PARTNERING WITH INTEL DOES 
FOR THEM.
BUT INTEL DOES NEED TO STEP UP 
ITS OWN WORK.
>> THEY SOLD THEIR MODEM 
BUSINESS.
THEIR CELLULAR MODEM BUSINESS A 
FEW YEARS AGO, THAT DOESN'T 
EXIST ANYMORE.
THEY HAVE TO PARTNER WITH PEOPLE
NOW.
ANOTHER CODE NAME I WILL JUST 
THROW AT YOU GUYS IS LAKE FIELD,
WHICH THEY ANNOUNCED BACK IN 
JUNE.
AND THIS IS THEIR NEWER HYBRID 
CHIP THAT COMBINES A NORMAL CORE
CORE AND AN ATOM CORE.
THE SO THEY'LL HAVE LIKE A 
HIGHER-POWERED CORE AND A 
LOWER-POWERED CORE.
AND I FEEL THAT WILL BE USEFUL 
FOR THEM TO PAIR 5G OR LTE IN 
THE FUTURE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A SEPARATE 
THING.
BUT THOSE ARE LAPTOPS WHERE I 
REALLY EXPECT TO SEE LTE AND 5G 
KIND OF TAKE OFF.
EVEN THESE EVO DEVICES.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF 
THIS.
DIDN'T SAMSUNG ANNOUNCE A 5G 
FLEX THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE AND
MORE THE THIS NG.
>> THERE'S ALSO THE LENOVO FLEX 
5G.
>> OH, MY GOD, LET'S JUST DO 
IFA.
>> WE CAN MOVE ON.
MAYBE I MISHEARD THEN.
>> IT'S OKAY.
WE CAN DO IT IN A LITTLE BIT 
BECAUSE WE DO MENTION THE 
SAMSUNG GALAXY FLEX.
I WILL SAY THAT ONE USES 11th 
GENK N INTEL CHIPS.
SO THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.
BUT THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, 
PETER, ABOUT INTEL HAVING TO 
STEP UP ITS LTE BUSINESS SIDE OF
THINGS.
JAMES ANDERSON ALSO HAD A GOOD 
POINT ABOUT THE FOLDS.
$500 LESS THAN THE FOLD.
BUT HE WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY 
THAT HE WOULD USE THE FOLD MORE 
OFTEN THAN HE WOULD USE AN RTX 
3090.
>> YOU BUY THOSE THINGS BASED ON
WHAT YOU NEED.
I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE
GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT 
3090 COULD DO VERSUS A TWIDDLY 
FOLDING PHONE WHICH IS NICE TO 
HAVE.
>> EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN TASE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT
FULL DUO SOON ENOUGH.
BUT NOW WE GOT TO GET BACK TO 
RECORDING THE PODCAST, Y'ALL.
>> DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO 
PRONOUNCE IFA?
>> I WAS SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD 
JUST TRY TO PRONOUNCE IT AT THE 
BEGINNING.
>> LET'S MOVE ONTO NEWS FROM 
IFA, WHICH IS THE ANNUAL 
TECHNOLOGY FESTIVAL IN BERLIN.
WHAT DOES IT STAND FOR?
IT IS THE INTERNATIONAL -- MY 
FRIEND IS FLUENT IN GERMAN.
>> AS THIS YEAR HAS GONE ON, ALL
THE LIKE GOOGLE, REMEMBER WHERE 
YOU WERE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO?
REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE IN 
ANOTHER PLACE NOT TRAPPED AT 
HOME IN A FUNCTIONING SOCIETY?
DON'T FORGET ABOUT THIS.
THANKS, GOOGLE.
BUT NOW IS THE TIME FOR IFA.
IFA IS A HUGE, HUGE TECHNOLOGY 
SHOW AND ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN 
CS, I BELIEVE.
IT'S WHERE A LOT OF EUROPEAN AND
ASIAN COMPANIES KIND OF COME 
TOGETHER AND SHOW US NEW STUFF.
EVEN THIS YEAR IT'S HAPPENING 
VIRTUALLY, ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOME
IN-PERSON STUFF.
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SEEING, 
CHERLYNN?
>> THERE'S A LOT OF IFA NEWS 
COMING OUT THIS WEEK WHICH KIND 
OF BOGGLES MY MIND.
BUT FOR ALL OF THE UPDATES ON 
ALL OF THE IFA NEWS THIS YEAR, 
YOU CAN GO TO ENGADGET.COM AND 
SLASH TAG SLASH IFA.
BUT COMPANIES LIKE QUALCOMM, 
SAMSUNG, LENOVO HAVE NEW 
PRODUCTS TO SHOW OFF.
I'LL START WITH TCL BECAUSE THEY
ACTUALLY CAME OUT WITH NEW 
DISPLAY TECHNOLOGY, WHICH 
WHENEVER THERE'S A TYPE OF NEW 
THING, I'M ALWAYS MOST INTRIGUED
BY IT.
AND THEY'VE MADE A NAME FOR 
AFFORDABLE THINGS, AFFORDABLE 
PHONES, AFFORDABLE TABLETS.
>> THEY'RE THE WORLD'S BIGGEST 
TV MANUFACTURER RIGHT NOW 
BECAUSE OF THIS.
>> AND I THINK MAYBE BEEN ABLE 
TO GET THAT NAME BY MAKING THEIR
SET SO GOOD FOR SUCH A GOOD 
VALUE PRICE.
SO THIS THING THAT THEY 
ANNOUNCED THIS IFA IS CALLED 
TCL'S NEXT PAPER.
AND IT BASICALLY IS A SORT OF 
SCREEN TECHNOLOGY THAT'S SIMILAR
TO E INC. OR E PAPER 
TECHNOLOGIES.
AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY INTERESTING
ABOUT IT IS THAT IT CAN SUPPORT 
HIGH RESOLUTIONS AS WELL AS 
SUPPORT VIDEO PLAYBACK.
THEY HAVEN'T SHARED LIKE 
SPECIFICS ON A FRAME RATE THAT 
THEY CAN SUPPORT.
BUT CONSIDERING THAT TYPICAL E 
INC. DISPLAYS CAN ONLY REFRESH 
REALLY SLOWLY, THIS IS REALLY 
INTERESTING.
>> AND COLOR E INC. HAS BEEN 
LIKE A DREAM THEY'VE BEEN 
CHASING FOREVER.
AND IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING.
>> THEY PROMISED COLORS.
SO IT'D BE LIKE MAGAZINE PAPER.
SO THE BIG BENEFIT OF THIS FOR 
WHAT TCL IS SAYING IS THAT 
THEY'VE ALSO FILED 11 DIFFERENT 
PATENTS FOR EYE PROTECTION.
THEY'VE BEEN CERTIFIED TO SOME 
GERMAN LIKE STANDARDS 
FACILITIES.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN ACTION 
IS THE PROBLEM.
LIKE, I'VE ONLY SEEN A PICTURE 
OF IT.
AND PICTURES ARE VERY MISLEADING
SO I DON'T LIKE TO JUDGE OFF OF 
JUST PICTURES.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IT REDUCES 
LIGHT OUTPUT ON THE SCREEN.
IT REDUCES BLUE LIGHT AND 
FLICKER.
AND IT'S MEANT FOR LIKE TCL'S 
NOT TRYING TO PUT THIS ON A 
SMARTPHONE.
THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE TABLETS 
AND E READERS WITH THIS THING.
AND THEY ARE SAYING IT'S LIKE 
65% MORE BATTERY EFFICIENT THAN 
A TYPICAL LCD.
>> IS IT FLEXIBLE AT ALL?OR IS  
THING?
>> IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FLEXIBLE.
>> I'M THINKING FLEXIBLE PAPER.
BUT OKAY.
>> I DIDN'T THINK OF IT THAT 
WAY.
I DON'T KNOW.
THEY DIDN'T SAY IT WAS FLEXIBLE.
>> THIS IS LCD, BASED.
>> THEY'RE ALSO SAYING IT'S LIKE
A THIRD THE SIZE OF A 
TRADITIONAL LCD.
SO MUCH THINNER THAT YOU CAN 
EXPECT AN EREADER TO BE A LOT 
THINNER THAN LIKE YOUR KINDLE 
WHICH ARE ALREADY PRETTY THIN.
BUT THAT WAS INTERESTING.
TCL ALSO HAD A BUNCH OF, 
SPEAKING OF TABLETS, THEY HAD A 
BUNCH OF OTHER NEWS.
A TAD MIX AND A TAB MAX.
ANDROID TABLETS FOR CHEAP.
YOU CAN ALSO GET THE GALAXY TAB 
A SOMETHING.
BUT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING 
CHEAPER THAT IS NOT BAD AT ALL, 
THE TCL TABLETS CAN BE FOR YOU.
THEY ALSO ANNOUNCED TRUE 
WIRELESS EAR BUDS.
THEY SEEM REALLY FRICKEN CHEAP.
>> IF YOU GO TO AMAZON NOW, YOU 
WILL FIND ANCHOR TRUE WIRELESS 
FOR 50 BUCKS, SOMETIMES EVEN 
LESS.
HEY, IT'S CHEAP, IT'S OUT THERE.
>> SO THESE ARE 99 EUROS.
THEY ARE SAYING IT'S GOING TO 
FIT MORE COMFORTABLY IN YOUR 
EAR.
THEY HAVE ELECTRONIC 
NOISE-CANCELLING, WHICH OKAY.
AND THEIR I P54.
SO YOU CAN SORT OF WEAR THEM 
JOGGING.
ANOTHER OPTION FOR YOU ALL.
AND, YEAH, SOME OTHER NEWS LIKE 
A WEARABLE FOR SENIORS.
EVERY COMPANY HAS ITS OWN BIG 
DUMP.
>> THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE
IT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS 
HAPPENING ALL WEEK, VOMITING 
NEWS.
AND INTEL DID IT PRETTY QUICKLY 
TOO.
AND ALL THIS IFA STUFF FEELS 
LIKE IT KEPT COMING AT US.
YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING 
ABOUT QUALCOMM.
THEY'RE YOUR BFFs.
COME ON.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> YO, IT'S ONE THING TO LIKE 
THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.
AND ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY DO 
A LOT FOR THE MOBILE INDUSTRY.
I JUST COVER THEM A LOT.
I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING -- 
QUALCOMM ALSO HAD SOMEWHAT OF A 
NEWS DUMP FOR IFA, WHICH I 
REALLY ENJOYED TACKLING ALL THIS
IFA NEWS WHILE TWO MAJOR SHOWS 
ARE GOING ON.
BUT, YES.
SO QUALCOMM ANNOUNCED -- LET'S 
GET THROUGH THE LIKE ARRESTING 
STUFF FIRST.
THERE ARE SOME AUDIO UPDATES.
THERE ARE SOME NEW UPDATES TO 
ACOUSTIC AUDIO PROCESSOR 
TECHNOLOGY THAT IMPROVES ITS 
NOISE CANCELATION AND ECHO 
CANCELATION FEATURES.
YOU CAN READ THE DETAILS ON 
ENGADGET.COM.
I LEFT THAT TO OUR AUDIO EXPERT 
TO TAKE CARE OF, SO I DON'T KNOW
ALL THE DETAILS THERE.
THEY'VE ALSO ANNOUNCED SNAP 
DRAGON 400 SERIES CHIP SET WHICH
IS ENTRY-LEVEL CHIP SET BUT WITH
5G SUPPORT.
SO THAT DOES MEAN THAT WE CAN 
EXPECT EVEN CHEAPER PHONES WITH 
5G.
BUT WHAT I TACKLED ALL THE 
QUALCOMM STUFF IS THE SNAP 
DRAGON GEN 2.
VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD NAMING.
THIS IS THE FALL UP TO 2018, 
WHICH WAS THE ARM-BASED 
PROCESSOR THAT QUALCOMM MADE FOR
PCs.
SO THIS WOULD BE WINDOWS ON SNAP
DRAGON.
AND AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON 
THIS PODCAST BEFORE, WINDOWS ON 
SNAP DRAGON, OH, BOY.
BUT THEY'RE TRYING AGAIN.
AND WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING 
ABOUT WINDOWS ON SNAP DRAGON FOR
ME IS -- OR ABOUT THE GEN 2 HCX 
IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ACTUAL 
POWER IMPROVEMENTS, THERE'S 
NONE.
THERE'S NO CLOCK SPEED JUMPS.
[ LAUGHTER ]
THERE'S NO INCREASED RAM.
>> THAT'S PRETTY BOLD.
WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS CHANGED THIS 
YEAR?
NOTHING.
DEAL WITH IT.
>> I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME 
MAKING SENSE OF THE PRESS 
RELEASE BECAUSE IT'S, LIKE, 
BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT CALL OUT 
PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENTS AT ALL.
>> IT'S THE SAME MODEL NUMBER AS
BEFORE.
IT'S THE 8CX.
IT'S JUST THE 8CX GEN2.
>> IT HAS BETTER AI SUPPORT.
IT WILL OFFER FASTER PROCESSING,
THERE IS THIS EYE CONTACT 
FEATURE ON THE SURFACE PRO X 
WHERE THE WEB CAN SEE, YOU ARE 
LOOKING AT THE CAMERA ITSELF.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE MAKING 
EYE CONTACT DURING YOUR VIDEO 
CONFERENCE AND THEN ALERT YOU TO
LOOK UP.
BUT THERE IS ALSO TWO MORE 
THINGS THAT IT ENABLES WHICH IS 
CALLED LUM.AI.
THEY'VE PARTNERED UP TO DO THIS 
AVATAR REPLACEMENT THING IN REAL
THING.
IF YOU'RE SUPER BURNT OUT AND 
YOU HAVE AN OUTBREAK OF HIVES 
AND YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE YOUR 
REAL PERSON APPEAR, YOU CAN 
REPLACE YOURSELF WITH AN AVATAR.
>> THIS IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME
UNTIL THIS HAPPENS.
>> WE'RE FULLY REPLACED WITH 
AVATARS NOW.
I SAW A QUICK DEMO PRERECORDED 
OF THIS PERSON, THE QUALCOMM 
PRESIDENT.
HE MADE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS AND 
AN AVATAR MATCHED HIS 
EXPRESSIONS PERFECTLY.
IT'S FUNNY.
IT'S NOT INCREDIBLY USEFUL.
>> THAT DOES NOT MATCH THE 
TERRIFYING THING I REMEMBER 
SEEING AT THE OCULUS CONNECT 
EVENT LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS 
PEOPLE WEARING OCULUS HEADSETS, 
AND THEY HAD 3D MAPPED THOSE 
PEOPLE'S FACES.
SO WE WERE LOOKING AT 3D MODELS 
OF THEIR FACES BEING PERFECTLY 
CAPTURED WHILE THEY WERE WEARING
HEADSETS.
WE ARE GETTING INTO SOME WEIRD, 
WILD SPACES WHEN IT COMES TO 
DIGITAL AVATARS.
>> I CAN'T WAIT.
QUALCOMM HAS TEAMED UP WITH A 
SECURITY FIRM THAT DETECTS 
THREATS SEVEN TIMES FASTER THAN 
EXISTING SYSTEMS.
THAT'S GOOD NEWS BECAUSE THEY 
REALLY WANT THESE PCs TO REALLY 
BE ENTERPRISE MACHINES TOO.
SO THAT'S SOME OF THE AI 
UPDATES.
THERE'S ALSO SUPPORT FOR WIFI 6,
BLUETOOTH 5.5 UP FROM THE 
PREVIOUS GENERATION, WHICH IS 
NICE.
QUALCOMM IS POSITIONING THIS AS 
TAKING ON THE LIKES OF AN INTEL 
CORE i5.
AND THEY KEEP CALLING OUT 
PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENTS OVER 
THOSE SYSTEMS.
THEY ARE LIKE, OH, WE'RE 18% 
MORE PERFORMANT.
AND I'M, LIKE, OKAY, BUT TELL ME
HOW MUCH BETTER THAN LAST YEAR 
AND THEY CAN'T SAY IT.
SO, SNAPDRAGON'S NOT GOING 
ANYWHERE SOON.
BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS 
THAT MICROSOFT'S CHIEF OFFICER 
ALSO MADE AN APPEARANCE ON 
QUALCOMM'S BRIEFING VIDEO 
BECAUSE HE WASN'T DONE MAKING 
APPEARANCES.
IN THIS VIDEO, CRISTIANO WAS 
LIKE, OH, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE
LAUNCH OF YOUR SUPER FASCINATING
SURFACE DUO.
>> BY QUALCOMM HARDWARE.
>> EXACTLY.
AND THEN HE WAS LIKE, YEAH, 
THANK YOU FOR THE COLLABORATION.
AND THEN HE TRIES TO SEGWAY.
AND HE GOES I'M VERY PASSIONATE 
ABOUT THE DUO.
BUT I'M EVEN MORE PASSIONATE 
ABOUT SNAP DRAGON PCs.
AND I'M LIKE ARE YOU?
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> IF HE WAS, THE ARM WOULD BE A
LOT BETTER.
>> MICROSOFT OR PANOS ON THAT 
BRIEFING ANNOUNCED THAT 
MICROSOFT IS GOING TO MOVE THE 
APP AZURE PROGRAM OVER TO SNAP 
DRAGON PCs FOR THEIR SNAP DRAGON
CUSTOMERS.
SO APP AZURE IS SOMETHING 
MICROSOFT LAUNCHED AROUND 2018 I
THINK OR 2016 TO HELP MOVE APPS 
FROM WINDOWS 7 TO WINDOWS 10.
AND APP COMPATIBILITY IS ALWAYS 
A HUGELY IMPORTANT ISSUE BECAUSE
THEY WERE RETIRING SUPPORT FOR 
WINDOWS 7.
THEY PROMISED THAT YOU CAN WORK 
WITH A MICROSOFT ENGINEER TO 
RESOLVE ANY APP COMPATIBILITY 
ISSUES UNTIL IT IS RESOLVED.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE WITH YOU 
UNTIL YOU CAN GET --
>> THIS COULD TECHNICALLY SOLVE 
THE GREATEST PROBLEM WE'VE HAD 
WITH EVERY WINDOWS DEVICE, WHICH
IS THAT THE APPS JUST DON'T 
WORK.
A LOT OF THINGS ARE RUNNING IN 
EITHER EMULATION OR DON'T RUN AT
ALL.
IT'S TYPICALLY A BAD EXPERIENCE.
THIS COULD BE PRETTY COOL.
I FEEL LIKE AS WE TALK ABOUT APP
AZURE, I CAN FEEL OUR LISTENERS 
FALLING ASLEEP.
WHAT IS YOUR BIG TAKEAWAY?
I BROUGHT THIS UP TO PEOPLE 
BEFORE.
NOBODY'S SUPER INTERESTED.
>> I WILL SAY THAT WINDOWS AND 
SNAP HAVE BEEN VERY, LIKE, HAVE 
HAD A TROUBLED HISTORY, I GUESS.
AND MAYBE THIS WILL HELP.
GENK N 2 IS THAT MICROSOFT IS 
GOING TO SUPPORT -- 
>> WE'LL SEE BECAUSE WE BOTH 
TESTED THE SURFACE PRO X, THE 
SUPER THIN, SUPER WELL-DESIGNED 
SURFACE THAT HAD GREAT HARDWARE 
BUT APPARENTLY CRAPS OUR 
SOFTWARE SUPPORT.
I WOULD LOVE FOR DEVICES LIKE 
THAT TO BE MORE REALISTIC.
WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD FROM 
SAMSUNG?
>> I WANT TO CRY BECAUSE SAMSUNG
HAD ITS Z FOLD 2 EVENT ON 
TUESDAY.
AND THEN THEY HAD A LIFE 
UNSTOPPABLE EVENT YESTERDAY FOR 
IFA NEWS.
AND WE KNOW SAMSUNG IS A GIANT 
CONGLOMERATE THAT MAKES 
REFRIGERATORS AND TVs AND 
EVERYTHING.
SO THE LIVE UNSTOPPABLE EVENT 
WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MOSTLY HOME 
ENTERTAINMENT FOCUSED.
BUT SAMSUNG, FOR THE LOVE OF 
GOD, WAS LIKE, NO, HERE'S SOME 
MORE GADGETS FROM THE MOBILE 
SITE.
SO IT ANNOUNCED ALSO THE GALAXY 
FIT 2.
FIT 2, AND AN AFFORDABLE 5G 
PHONE.
A FWLAXY TAB A 7.
A GALAXY BOOK FLEX WITH 5G.
THAT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU 
CAN GO AND LOOK AT ENGADGET.COM.
>> AND I BELIEVE THAT'S AN INTEL
EVO DEVICE.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE.
>> YEAH.
ALL OF THOSE ARE INTERESTING 
PRODUCTS.
AND THE MAIN TAKEAWAY FOR ME 
ABOUT SAMSUNG'S NEWS IS THAT IN 
A WEEK WHERE THEY LAUNCHED 
SOMETHING THAT'S A $2,000 PHONE,
THEY ALSO, YOU KNOW, RELEASED A 
BUNCH OF THINGS IN THE A SERIES,
WHICH IS THEIR EVERYTHING BUT 
THE FLAGSHIP SERIES.
SO THE GALAXY A 425G, WE REACHED
OUT TO SAMSUNG FOR PRICING, BUT 
THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING.
AND THEY ARE CALLING THIS THEIR 
CHEAPEST PRODUCT YET.
S
SAMSUNG'S PHONES ARE STILL 
REALLY GOOD, SO THAT'S EXCITING.
THE I THINK THE TAB A7, BEING A 
CHEAPER ANDROID TABLET COMPARED 
TO THE TAB S7 PLUS IS BETTER 
THAN A FIRE HD.
I LIKE THAT SAMSUNG IS LIKE WE 
DID A $2,000 PHONE, BUT HERE IS 
SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COST A LOT 
LESS.
>> THAT'S BEEN THEIR THING FOR A
WHILE BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE OF 
THE LAST ANDROID COMPANIES 
MAKING TABLETS.
THEY HAVE CHEAP PHONES, THEY 
HAVE CHEAP TABLETS.
HEY, THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S 
SOMETHING.
>> I WOULDN'T SAY THEY'RE ONE OF
THE LAST COMPANIES MAKING 
ANDROID TABLETS BECAUSE WHO ELSE
ANNOUNCED ANDROID TABLETS?
MY DEAR FRIENDS AT LENOVO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
FIRST OF ALL, YEAH, THE GALAXY 
TAB A7 IS SAMSUNG'S AFFORDABLE 
ANDROID TABLET.
AND WE HAVE TCL MAKING ITS 
TABLET.
LENOVO CAME THROUGH ANNOUNCING 
MONDAY SOME NEW ANDROID TABLETS 
AS WELL.
WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS THAT 
LENOVO IN THE PAST, THEY'VE BEEN
SLIGHTLY CHEAPER.
THEY'RE MORE IN THE $500 PRICE 
RANGE.
BUT THIS TIME AROUND THEY'VE 
GONE FULL LIKE LET'S TAKE ON 
FRICKEN THE TAB S7 PLUS WITH OUR
P 11 PRO.
IT WAS MONDAY, IT WAS A LIFETIME
AGO.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ACTUAL NAME
NOW BUT I THINK IT WAS THE P11 
PRO.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE A KEYBOARD 
ACCESSORY.
IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT
A STYLUS.
IT'S A HIGH-END ANDROID TABLET 
FROM LENOVO AND IT'S COMPETITION
FOR SAMSUNG, WHICH IS A GOOD 
THING.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DETAILS 
AGAIN ON ENGADGET.COM.
BUT LENOVO ALSO ANNOUNCED 
SOMETHING CALLED THE SMART CLOCK
ESSENTIALS.
>> THAT LOOKS REALLY CUTE.
I REALLY LIKE LENOVO'S ACCESSORY
THINGS, LIKE THEIR SMART 
DISPLAY.
THEY'RE FUN.
I LIKE THEM.
>> I LOVE LENOVO'S SMART HOME 
PLAY.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF AFFORDABLE 
DEVICES IN THAT SPACE.
THE SMART CLOCK FROM LAST YEAR 
OR TWO YEARS AGO WAS REALLY I 
LIKED IT.
I HAVE ONE IN MY BEDROOM.
BUT THE SMART CLOCK ESSENTIALS 
IS LIKE $20 CHEAPER.
SO IT'S $50 SMART CLOCK, AND 
IT'S BASICALLY A BEDSIDE CLOCK 
WITH AN ASSISTANT BUILT IN.
SO FOR ME INITIALLY WHEN I WAS 
BEING PITCHED THIS, I WAS LIKE 
WHY CAN'T I JUST GO TO AMAZON 
AND BUY A $20 CLOCK?
BUT THE WHOLE THING IS THIS CAN 
A GOOGLE ASSISTANT DEVICE.
YOU CAN ASK IT TO TURN ON YOUR 
LIGHTS AND SET ROUTINES THAT 
INCLUDE THIS DEVICE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT 
THAN JUST A BEDSIDE CLOCK.
I GUESS IT'S NICE THAT IT'S JUST
PRETTY SUPER BASIC IF YOU DIDN'T
LIKE THAT $70.
>> IT DOESN'T HAVE A CAMERA, IT 
DOESN'T HAVE A SCREEN PROPERLY.
>> AGAIN WITH THE SMART CLOCK 
SERIES, THERE IS NO CAMERA TO 
LIKE DIM AT NIGHT TOO.
SO IT'S JUST LIKE LESS INTRUSIVE
AND LESS, LIKE, GADGET -- 
>> IT FEELS LIKE WE HAD MASTERED
ALARM CLOCK TECHNOLOGY AND THEN 
WITH ALL THESE SMART DEVICES IT 
FEELS LIKE WE TOOK WEIRD STEPS 
ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YEAH.
I WOULD TOTALLY BUY ONE OF 
THESE.
I KNOW.
I CAN'T WAIT TO GET IN AND SEE 
IF I LIKE IT BECAUSE I NEED A 
NEW ONE.
AND IT HAS MUCH BIGGER LED FONT 
TOO SO YOU CAN SEE FROM FURTHER 
AWAY.
BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THE IFA NEWS.
WE STILL HAVE MORE.
BUT I'M GOING TO JUST LEAVE YOU 
GUYS WITH ONE MORE, WHICH IS 
ZTE.
REMEMBER THEM?
THEY'RE BACK WITH THE -- WELL, 
THEY'VE NEVER REALLY FULLY GOING
TO WAY.
THEY'VE STILL BEEN RELEASING 
AXON PHONES, WHICH IS THEIR 
FLAGSHIP LINE.
WAY BACK IN THE DAY AXON WAS 
WELL LOVED.
THEY ANNOUNCED THE AXON 25G.
IT'S NOT A NEWISH PHONE.
BUT THE ACTION 25G IS THIS 
YEAR'S ANNOUNCEMENT FOR IFA FROM
ZTE.
AND THE REALLY BIG THING ABOUT 
IT, AT LEAST TO ME AND CHRIS 
VELAZCO IS THAT IT HAS AN 
UNDERDISPLAY CAMERA, WHICH IS 
REALLY COOL.
WE'VE SEEN OTHER CHINESEMAKERS 
MAKE THIS ONE BEFORE.
>> DOES THAT MEAN THERE IS NO 
ACTUAL HOLE IN THE DISPLAY?
BECAUSE YOU WOULD STILL NEED 
SPACE FOR THE CAMERA TO SIT.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS AN ACTUAL
HOLD.
BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP
OF MY HEAD.
BUT I WOULD CHECK OUT 
ENGADGET.COM AGAIN FOR ALL OF 
THE INFORMATION ON ALL OF THE 
NEWS.
AGAIN, ENGADGET.COM/TAG/IFA2020 
IS WHERE YOU CAN GET CAUGHT UP 
ON ALL OF THIS I IF OF FA NEWS.
FOR NOW SEND US YOUR THOUGHTS ON
ALL OF THIS IFA NEWS, WHETHER 
IT'S ON TWITTER OR EMAIL.
>> I THINK WE'RE RUNNING LOW ON 
TIME.
>> SO, LET'S MOVE ON TO WHAT 
WE'RE WORKING ON.
AS YOU CAN SEE, MANY, MANY 
THINGS THIS WEEK.
I WILL SAY UPCOMING IM.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO 
REVIEW THE LOGITEC CHAIR.
IT MAKES MY BACK FEEL GOOD AND 
MY BUTT DOESN'T HURT ANYMORE.
10 OUT OF 10 REVIEW.
I'M ALSO TESTING OUT A HOT, 
UPCOMING GADGET.
THIS IS THE BUSY PERIOD.
I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW 
IS WORKING ON REVIEWS FOR MAJOR 
UPCOMING DEVICES THAT OUR 
READERS WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT.
I LOVE SEPTEMBER BECAUSE IT'S 
BUSY BUT IT'S ALSO WHEN THE NEW 
STUFF STARTS HAPPENING.
OCTOBER'S WHEN IT STARTS 
SHIPPING.
AND ALSO I'M STILL GEARING UP 
FOR NOVEMBER WHEN WE GET THE NEW
CONSOLES AND ALL THAT STUFF AND 
ALSO THE ELECTIONS.
>> OH, GOSH.
>> WE HAVE SO MUCH TO LOOK 
FORWARD TO AND SO MUCH TO BE 
WORRIED ABOUT.
CHERLYNN, WHAT ARE YOU WORKING 
ON?
>> IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THAT 
STUFF THAT I'VE BEEN SPENDING 
THIS PODCAST TELLING YOU GUYS 
ABOUT AND TRYING TO STAY ALIVE, 
I'M ALSO WORKING ON TWO MAJOR 
REVIEWS IN THE BACKGROUND.
>> I DON'T THINK YOU'RE BUSY 
ENOUGH, CHERLYNN.
IF THERE'S ONE THING I WOULD SAY
ABOUT YOU, IT'S THAT YOU JUST 
DON'T WORK ENOUGH.
>> SHOUT OUT TO OUR REGULAR 
LISTENER JONATHAN MEDINA WHO 
TWEETED AND REPLIED TO ONE OF MY
TWEETS YESTERDAY SAYING THAT HOW
DO YOU GET SO MUCH DONE?
YOU GUYS DO LIVE STREAMS, 
CONVENTIONS, TAKE ALL THESE 
BRFINGS.
I'M, LIKE, OH, MY GOSH, SOMEONE 
UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT'S LIKE.
A REVIEW ISN'T JUST WRITING.
IT'S TESTING, TAKING PHOTOS, 
SHOOTING VIDEOS, WRITING SCRIPTS
AND WRITING THE REVIEW COPY.
IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR ONE MAJOR
REVIEW AND I'M DOING TWO THIS 
WEEK.
SOMEONE THREW ME ONE OF THOSE 
FLOAT RING THINGS.
WHAT IS IT CALLED?
>> LIFE PRESERVER.
YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED.
>> NO, MY BRAIN'S BROKEN.
>> THAT'S THE TITLE OF THE 
EPISODE.
>> LET'S GO STRAIGHT INTO PICKS 
THEN.
>> AND NOW FOR OUR POP CULTURE 
PICKS.
ONE THING I WANT TO SHOUT OUT 
NOW IS THAT, HEY, THE LEGEND OF 
CORA IS BACK ON NETFLIX.
IT ACTUALLY NEVER WAS A NETFLIX.
NETFLIX IS NOW THE PLACE WHERE 
ANYBODY CAN GO WITH A HIT OF A 
BUTTON GO SEE CORA.
THIS IS THE SEQUEL TO AVATAR 
LAST AIRBENDER.
SO GOOD TIMING FOR THEM AND JUST
HAVE TO SAY THIS SHOW IS 
PERFECT.
I LOVE IT SO MUCH.
IF YOU'RE A FAN OF ANIME, IF YOU
LIKE THE LAST AIRBENDER AND 
MAYBE YOU WANT TO SEE A TWIST ON
THAT WORLD THAT'S A LITTLE MORE 
MATURE WITH OLDER CHARACTERS, 
IT'S FANTASTIC.
SOME OF THE BEST ACTION 
CHOREOGRAPHY IN ANYTHING BUT 
CERTAINLY WITH THE ANIMATED 
SHOWS LIKE THE WAY THEY USE 
THEIR SPEAR POWERS.
IT SOMETIMES GETS TO BE A LITTLE
DRAGON BALL-Z, BUT IT'S ALSO 
JUST GREAT MARTIAL ARTS.
AS AN ACTION FAN I REALLY DIG 
IT.
AND ALSO SOMEBODY WHO LOVES 2D 
ANIMATION.
THIS SHOW HAS DONE SOME 
INCREDIBLE STUFF.
I LOVE THAT IT EXISTS.
I LOVE THAT IT'S SO EASILY 
ACCESSIBLE NOW.
YOU CAN HEAR ME TALK MORE ABOUT 
IT ON REPUBLIC CITY DISPATCH, 
WHICH IS A PODCAST I'VE BEEN 
DOING WITH SOME FRIENDS OF MINE 
AND PODCAST LUMINARIES LIKE 
JOANNA ROBINSON AND MATT 
PATCHES.
THAT IS UNDER THE FIGHTING IN 
THE WAR ROOM DOMAIN NOW.
BUT WE'RE DOING SOME RECAP 
EPISODES OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL 
SEASON.
BUT EIGHT YEARS AGO WE ACTUALLY 
REVIEWED EVERY SINGLE EPISODE OF
THIS SHOW.
SO IT'S SO WEIRD.
YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE YOUR
EARLY PODCAST BE RELEVANT AGAIN.
SO WE'RE KIND OF REVIVING THAT 
FEED, ADDING SOME NEW 
RETROSPECTIVES.
GO CHECK OUT SOME OF OUR EARLIER
REVIEWS TOO.
CHERLYNN, I THINK YOU WOULD LOVE
IT.
BECAUSE YOU TAKE MARTIAL ARTS.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I
WAS SAYING I DON'T REALLY WATCH 
A LOT OF ANIMATED WORKS.
>> MAYBE YOU SHOULD INSTEAD OF 
BAD SCI FI.
>> WOW, WOW.
I WILL SHOUT OUT ARCHER IS ONE 
OF MY FAVORITE ANIMATED SERIES.
>> I LIKE ARCHER, BUT I WILL 
ALSO SAY BARELY ANIMATED.
IT'S THE LIKE STILTED CARTOON 
NETWORK STYLE OF ANIMATION.
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING?
>> BECAUSE I TOOK A BREAK LAST 
WEEK, I WAS ABLE TO WATCH SOME 
STUFF.
I SPENT LAST WEEK TRYING TO 
WATCH AS MUCH STUFF AS I COULD 
TO RECOMMEND FOR THIS PODCAST.
I STILL LOVE LOVECRAFT COUNTRY.
>> THE SECOND EPISODE WAS KIND 
OF A MESS.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING ALL OVER 
THE PLACE.
>> I LOVED THE SECOND EPISODE 
HOW IT JUST KIND OF RAN LIKE A 
WILD HORSE.
>> IT CERTAINLY RAN LIKE A WILD 
HORSE.
>> THE THIRD EPISODE WAS ALSO 
VERY GOOD.
IT'S A GOOD MIX OF SCIENCE 
FICTION AND LIKE HOW IT SUCKS TO
BE A BLACK PERSON IN THAT ERA.
I ALSO WATCHED EARLIER.
PROJECT POWER.
IT'S ON NETFLIX.
AND IT'S BEEN NUMBER ONE ON 
NETFLIX FOR A WHILE.
I ONLY JUST GOT AROUND TO 
TELLING Y'ALL ABOUT IT.
BASICALLY PEOPLE CAN BE SUPER 
JUICED UP FOR ABOUT 10, 15 
MINUTES.
>> IT'S VERY LUCY LIKE.
A LOT OF OTHER FILMS HAVE 
TACKLED THIS IDEA.
>> LIMITLESS ALSO HAD THE DRUG 
WAS BECOMING YOUR SUPER POWER 
ITSELF.
>> THERE WAS THAT ONE TOO, WHICH
IS NOW A TV SERIES.
BUT THE PREMISE IS THERE, BUT 
THE CHARACTERS ARE I THINK 
VERY -- I LIKE ALL OF THE 
DIFFERENT ACTORS IN IT AS WELL.
I SAW SOME CRITICISM OF THIS 
SHOW SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T 
REALLY MAKE FULL USE OF THE 
PREMISE.
AND I AGREE.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ROOM 
FOR A SEQUEL.
SO HOPEFULLY WE GET TO SEE THAT 
EXPLORED A LITTLE FURTHER.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT DIFFERENT 
PEOPLE REACT DIFFERENTLY.
>> IT'S VERY MUCH A NETFLIX 
MOVIE.
IT REMINDS ME OF, HEY, HERE'S A 
COOL PREMISE AND WE DON'T SET 
ANY OF THIS UP REALLY WELL.
THE IDEA OF YOU COULD GET ONE 
SUPER POWER OR YOU COULD DIE.
LIKE, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO 
IT.
THE SPECIAL EFFECTS IN THIS 
MOVIE ARE REALLY GOOD.
LIKE, IT LOOKS FANTASTIC.
>> IT DOES LOOK REALLY GOOD.
IT'S JUST A GOOD ESCAPE FOR WHEN
YOU WANT SOMETHING NOT SUPER 
THINKY AND YOU JUST WANT TO 
CHECK OUT PEOPLE LIKE HURLING 
WEIRD STUFF AT EACH OTHER.
MY REAL RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I
TRY TO FIND STUFF THAT PEOPLE 
DON'T ALWAYS KNOW OF, THIS WEEK 
IS A FILM CALLED, IT'S A KOREAN 
FILM CALLED THE WITCH 
SUBVERSION.
>> PEOPLE ARE LIKE BUZZING ABOUT
THIS MOVIE.
>> IT'S PART ONE OF WHAT'S MEANT
TO BE I THINK A TRILOGY.
BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT THE 
FILMMAKER PLANS TO DO WITH IT 
YET.
IT IS ALSO SCIENCE FICTION.
IT'S KOREAN.
AND SIMILAR TO A LOT OF KOREAN 
FILMS WE TALK ABOUT ON THIS 
SHOW, IT'S ABOUT SORT OF 
UNDERDOG-ISH STORY.
BUT IT'S ABOUT SORT OF 
GENETICALLY ENHANCED OR SORT OF 
LIKE NUTURE VERSUS NATURE TYPE 
OF SUPER HEROES.
IT'S WON A BUNCH OF AWARDS.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER OFFHAND THE
NAMES OF EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH 
THIS MOVIE.
BUT THE ACTING, AS ALWAYS, IS 
VERY GOOD.
THERE ARE SOME TWISTS THAT I 
WON'T REVEAL FOR YOU.
IT'S GOT A LOT OF VERY GOOD 
ACTION.
IT'S GOT VERY ENGAGING PLOT THAT
I FOUND MYSELF LIKE STUCK TO THE
SCREEN.
AND IT'S VERY RARE THAT I AM 
STUCK ON THE SCREEN THROUGHOUT A
SHOW NOWADAYS.
DEVINDRA, YOU SHOULD CHECK THIS 
ONE OUT.
>> IT LOOKS SUPER COOL.
DID YOU EVER SEE THE VILLAINIST,
BY THE WAY?
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PERHAPS 
ONE OF THE CRAZIEST ACTION 
MOVIES OF THE LAST FEW YEARS.
GO LOOK UP THE FIRST TEN MINUTES
OF "THE VILLAINIST."
IT IS FANTASTIC.
IT IS BOTH THINGS, WHICH IS I 
DON'T LIKE ONE PART OF IT BUT I 
LOVE THE ACTION PART OF IT.
RECOMMEND THAT TO EVERYBODY TOO.
>> YEAH.
SO THERE YOU GO.
LOTS OF THINGS TO CHECK OUT THIS
WEEKEND IF YOU NEED A BREAK.
>> LET ME DO THE WRAP UP.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO
DO THAT TOO.
SO, FOLKS, WE ARE GOING TO JUST 
BE CLOSING OUT THE SHOW.
BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE RECORDING
THE NEXT SEGMENT WITH THE GALAXY
Z FOLD 2 AFTER THIS.
JUST A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER.
BEAR WITH US.
>> IT'S A FALSE END IS WHAT IT 
IS.
>> YEAH.
WE'RE ABOUT TO RECORD THE OUTRO,
BUT AFTER THAT WE CAN TALK WITH 
YOU ON THE STREAM.
>> ALL RIGHT.
LET'S WIND DOWN.
WELL, THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK ON
THE ENGADGET PODCAST.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
OUR THEME MUSIC IS BY GAME 
COMPOSER DALE NORTH.
THE PODCAST IS PRODUCED BY BEN 
ELMANN.
YOU CAN FIND ME ONLINE 
ON @DEVINDRA.
AND, CHERLYNN, WHERE CAN WE FIND
YOU?
>> IF YOU WANT TO FIND ME 
WHINING ABOUT HOW MUCH WORK I 
HAVE TO DO, I AM @CHERLYNNLOW ON
TWITTER.
>> EMAIL US AT 
PODCASTENGADGET.COM.
>>> WE HAVE GOT SOME TIME TO 
TALK ABOUT CHAT STUFF, YAY.
THE KOREAN MOVIE NAME IS "THE 
WITCH: SUBVERSION."
I WONDER IF YOU CAN THROW THAT 
UP ON THE SCREEN.
>> WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 
THAT DURING THE PRODUCTION 
MEETING, I WAS UNDER THE 
IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS LIKE A 
RECT OR A DIRECTOR'S CUT OF 
"THE WITCH."
BECAUSE I THOUGHT LIKE, OH, IT'S
A SUBVERSION?
>> LIKE DIFFERENT NEW ENGLAND 
HORROR IN KOREA?
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> I HOPE THEY MAKE MORE OF THIS
BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY COOL.
THE GIRL HAS POWERS.
>> I LIKE THE TRAILER.
"THE VILLAINIST," COME ON.
ALL THE ACTION SCENES ARE ON 
YOUTUBE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY ACTUALLY LIFTED A LOT 
OF THOSE IDEAS INTO JOHN WICK 3,
BUT IT KICKS SO MUCH BUTT.
>> THEY DID A LOT OF ASIAN 
VIOLENT FIGHTING FILMS FOR A 
WHILE.
>> I'VE SEEN THEM ALL.
AND THE VILLAINIST WAS ONE WHERE
I WAS, LIKE, WHOA, YOU WERE 
DOING FIRST-PERSON ACTION IN A 
WAY I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
IT'S WILD.
>> I SEE.
>> THE MOTORCYCLES WITH BLADES, 
IT'S SO FUN.
>> LIKE JUDGING FROM THE TRAILER
NOW SINCE I'M LOOKING AT IT, I 
CAN TELL WHAT THE FILMMAKER'S 
DOING IS INTERESTING.
I APPLAUD.
>> HEY.
>> BACK TO THE CHAT I'M SEEING 
SOME PEOPLE, LIKE, ONE PERSON 
SAID, I WISH ANDROID WOULD PUT 
MORE EFFORT INTO TABLET APPS AND
NOT MAKE THEM JUST A SLOW PHONE 
APP.
>> THAT'S GOOGLE'S FAULT, MAN.
WE NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE EPISODE 
ABOUT THIS.
WHAT'S UP, CHERLYNN?
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I WRESTLE WITH THIS BECAUSE 
I'VE BEEN COVERING A LOT OF 
ANDROID TABLETS LATELY.
IT'S PARTLY GOOGLE'S FAULT.
BUT SOME APPS LIKE INSTAGRAM 
REFUSE TO UPDATE THEIR APPS TO 
WORK BETTER.
>> IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS SINCE 
ANDROID TABLETS HAVE BEEN AROUND
AND THERE IS NO MARKET FOR THEM.
SO EVERYBODY IS LIKE WHY SHOULD 
I DO THIS WORK FOR DEVICES THAT 
DON'T EXIST.
>> OR YOU MAKE IT BETTER.
IT'S HARD TO -- 
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S HARD TO 
SAY THAT TEN YEARS AFTER -- 
LIKE, AS THE PLATFORMMAKER, IT 
IS YOUR JOB TO, LIKE, GROW 
THINGS.
>> I HAVE CRITICIZED ANDROID 
REPEATEDLY AS A TERRIBLE TABLET 
OS FOR A WHILE NOW.
AND GOOGLE HAS TRIED TO DO 
THINGS LIKE COMBINE CHROME WITH 
ANDROID TO MAKE A SORT OF 
DESKTOP AND TABLET OS.
THEY'VE TRIED AND NOTHING'S 
REALLY WORKED.
I THINK ANDROID ISN'T THE BEST 
OS FOR, LIKE, PRODUCTIVITY 
MULTITASKING OR THINGS THAT 
TABLETS NOWADAYS USE MORE FOR.
BUT WITH THIS COLLABORATION WITH
MICROSOFT TO BUILD IN 
PRODUCTIVITY STUFF INTO THE UI 
FOR THINGS LIKE THE DUO OR THE 
FOLD, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE BETTER
ANDROID.
>> I THINK IT WASN'T A GOOD SIGN
WHEN THEY GAVE UP IN THE NEX 
FLUS TABLETS.
IF GOOGLE ITSELF IS NOT 
PRODUCING ANDROID TABLETS, WHY 
THE HELL SHOULD ANYBODY ELSE?
>> THEY DID SAY IT WAS NO LONGER
MAKING GOOGLE TABLETS.
I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT 
FRONT.
I'M STILL CURIOUS WHY PEOPLE 
MAKE ANDROID TABLETS.
BUT PEOPLE STILL BUY THEM TOO.
>> THE ONLY SUCCESSFUL ANDROID 
TABLETS ARE THE AMAZON FIRE 
DEVICE BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPER 
CHEAP AND AMAZON CAN KEEP 
PUMPING ADS THROUGH THEM TO 
REALLY SUBSIDIZE THAT PRICE.
>> AND ALSO THE SAMSUNG TABLETS 
AS WELL.
SPEAKING OF TABLETS, NOT TO STEP
ON BEN'S TOES BUT ALSO E INC., 
WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE 
HYPED ABOUT THE COLOR E INC.
>> IT'S NOT COLOR E INC.
>> WHAT IS THE END GOAL FOR ALL 
OF E INC. THINGS?
IS IT REALLY JUST HARRY POTTER 
NEWSPAPERS?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE 
END GOAL.
AND I HAVE TO DIFFERENTIATE 
BETWEEN INC. AND TCL VERSIONS.
BUT I KNOW THAT THEY WERE SAYING
THAT THEY'RE FOCUSING THIS 
AROUND LEARNING.
SO WHETHER IT'S FOR KIDS OR FOR 
ADULTS WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO DO
LEARNING-RELATED STUFF BUT NOT 
STRAIN THEIR EYES SO MUCH.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S SUCH A FOCUS 
ON THE EYE PROTECTION.
>> I THINK A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE
COVERED A HUGE COLOR E INC. 
DISPLAY.
AND THEY'RE LIKE STORE SIGNAGE, 
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED
ABOUT.
AND IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE 
BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR STORES TO 
GO AROUND AND UPDATE ALL THEIR 
ADS AND FLYERS AND EVERYTHING.
SO IF YOU HAD A DIGITAL WAY OF 
UPDATING AN ENTIRE STORE, THAT 
COULD BE USEFUL.
>> THE SCREEN BURN IS PRETTY BAD
SOMETIMES.
SOMEONE IN THE CHAT SAYS IT 
LOOKS LIKE A TRANSFLECTIVE USE 
FOR OUTDOOR DISPLAYS.
>> ARE WE READY TO TALK ABOUT 
THE Z FOLD 2?
>> I WILL THROW IT TO YOU GUYS.
>> YOU KEEP LEAVING THE GREAT 
COMMENTS IN THE CHAT.
AND WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO 
RESPOND TO ALL OF THEM.
THE CRITICISM WE WILL TAKE WHEN 
FAIR.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> OR NOT AT ALL.
OKAY.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW WE ARE GOING
ACK IN TIME TO BASICALLY RECORD
THE FIRST SEGMENT OF THE SHOW.
SO IT'S GOING TO SOUND A LITTLE 
WEIRD.
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK 
ABOUT ANYTHING WE'VE ALREADY 
MENTIONED.
PUT PHONE ON HEAD.
CAN WE MAKE THEM TOUCH?
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> UNFOLDING ONE OPENS THE 
OTHER.
ARE WE GOOD TO GO?
>> I'M GETTING DISTRACTED.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS ON THE SHOW.
OUR PRE-SHOW IS JUST LIKE 20 
MINUTES OF TOTAL GARBAGE.
>> COME ON.
ALL RIGHT.
Z FOLD 2, WE GOOD?
>>> ALL RIGHT.
LET'S KICK THINGS OFF BY TALKING
ABOUT THE PHONE EVERYBODY HAS 
REALLY BEEN WAITING FOR THIS 
YEAR, THE SECOND GENERATION OF 
SAMSUNG'S BIG FOLDING DEVICES IS
GALAXY Z FOLD 2.
AND WE HAVE CHRIS VELAZCO, OUR 
MOBILE EDITOR HERE TO CHAT ABOUT
IT.
CHRIS, HOW'S IT GOING?
>> HEY.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
IT'S BEEN HOURS SINCE I'VE 
SPOKEN TO YOU PEOPLE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> GOSH.
I HATE TALKING TO YOU SO MUCH.
NO, I'M KIDDING.
>> REAL STUFF LIKE REALLY EARLY 
ON.
>> WE'RE JUST ALL TIRED OF EACH 
OTHER.
THIS IS HOW IT GOES.
>> THIS WEEK HAS BEEN INSANE.
>> WHAT CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, 
CHRIS?
WHAT IS UP WITH THE Z FOLD 2?
>> SO JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR 
EVERYONE WATCHING AND/OR 
LISTENING TO THIS, UNLIKE THE 
SITUATION THAT WE HAD WHEN WE 
UNBOXED THE SURFACE DUO WHICH 
COULD NOT TURN ON.
>> LISTEN, I AM VERY PROUD OF 
THAT BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY MY 
BRAND OF JUST --
>> E GOT AN AMAZING SHOT OF YOU
SLIDING THAT INTO YOUR POCKET.
>> BY THE WAY, SO, YEAH, WE DID 
NOT HAVE A POD CAST LAST WEEK, 
BUT WE DID RECORD THIS HANDS-ON 
YOUTUBE.
WE CAN'T TURN IT ON, BUT GO 
CHECK IT OUT.
GALAXY Z FOLD 2, THOUGH, WHAT'S 
GOING ON?
>> THIS IS THE SECOND GENERATION
OF THE FOLD.
I'VE BEEN USING THIS SINCE WE 
UNBOXED IT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW
MANY DAYS AGO BECAUSE TIME HAS 
NO MEANING ANYMORE.
BUT JUST LIKE IN TERMS OF 
HARDWARE, LITERALLY EVERY ISSUE 
THAT I HAD WITH THE ORIGINAL 
GALAXY FOLD HAS BEEN MORE OR 
LESS FIXED HERE.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE 
VERY MUCH MATTERS OF TASTE THAT 
I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT 
IT.
THERE'S THIS RIDGED BRUSH 
PARTI
PATTERN THAT KIND OF MAKE WEIRD 
GRINDY SOUNDS.
GENERALLY, I LOVE THIS PHONE.
I'M ALSO REALLY QUICKLY REMINDED
OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS A 
REASON I DIDN'T BUY THE FIRST 
ONE.
>> YES.
WELL, BECAUSE YOU'RE A SANE 
HUMAN BEING.
EVEN THOUGH YOU MAKE INSANE 
GADGET PURCHASES SOMETIMES, 
CHRIS, EVEN YOU DID NOT BUY 
THAT.
>> HE USED TO.
THAT'S YOUR BRAND.
>> WHAT'S REALLY BEEN 
INTERESTING FOR ME AS A PERSON 
LIVING THROUGH COVID.
THIS MIGHT BE A THING SPECIFIC 
TO US.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS.
BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING SO MUCH 
OF OUR TIME AT HOME, WE'RE 
ALWAYS WITHIN ARM'S REACH OF 
LIKE A LAPTOP OR A DESKTOP OR A 
TV.
THE NEED FOR A GIGANTIC SCREEN 
WITH YOU ALL OF THE TIME IS FOR 
ME AT LEAST A FRACTION OF WHAT 
IT USED TO BE.
SO, IMMEDIATELY, LIKE, THIS 
THING IS AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL
DEVICE.
IT IS A FEAT OF ENGINEERING FOR 
SURE.
AND IT'S ONE THAT I PERSONALLY 
CAN'T IMAGINE NEEDING FOR A GOOD
COUPLE YEARS AT LEAST NOW.
>> YEP.
EVERYONE WAS SUPER HYPE ABOUT 
THIS.
I STILL DON'T NEED A TABLET JUST
YET.
I HAVE BEEN SPENDING SOME TIME 
WITH A DUO.
AND I CAN'T TALK MUCH ABOUT MY 
IMPRESSIONS ABOUT IT.
BUT I AM STRUGGLING TO FIND THE 
SITUATION WHERE LIKE A PHONE 
CAN'T DO WHAT I NEED IT TO DO 
AND I NEED LIKE A BIGGER 
INTERFACE.
BUT WE'LL SEE, I DON'T KNOW.
THE Z FOLD 2 ALSO HAS A SIMILAR 
PROPOSITION.
>> THE ONE THING I USE THE FOLD,
AND I THOUGHT I WOULD BE USING 
THE Z FOLD 2 FOR IS I TAKE A 
SUBWAY TO THE OFFICE, AND 
DEVINDRA CAN ATTEST TO THIS.
IT'S A GOOD 30 MINUTES ON THAT 
SUBWAY.
>> WE USED TO LIVE IN THE SAME 
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS A FAST SUBWAY RIDE 
COMPARED TO WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
IN NEW YORK HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
>> SO, YEAH, 30 MINUTES, 
DEFINITELY NOT THE WORST BUT 
ALSO MAYBE NOT THE BEST.
I USED TO BE ABLE TO COUNT ON 
JUST GOING IN, IN THE MORNING 
AND CRACKING OPEN A BOOK AND 
READING SOMETHING ON A 
FULL-SIZED SCREEN.
AND THEN I CAN JUST SORT OF 
CLOSE IT UP WHEN I GOT TO MY 
STOP AND THROW IT IN MY POCKET.
THAT BY FAR WAS MY FAVORITE 
THING TO DO WITH THE FOLD.
LIKE THE METAPHOR WORKED OF 
FOLDING YOUR BOOK, CLOSING YOUR 
BOOK AND FOLDING THE FOLD.
NOW I DON'T TAKE THE SUBWAY 
ANYMORE.
IT'S BEEN REALLY WEIRD.
LIKE, I'VE BEEN HAVING THE MOST 
FUN USING THIS BIG SORT OF 
EXTERNAL DISPLAY, WHICH, YOU 
KNOW, THE BIG KNOCK AGAINST THE 
ORIGINAL GALAXY FOLD WAS THAT 
YOU GOT A SCREEN THAT WAS MAYBE 
TWO-THIRDS THE SIZE OF THIS 
THING WEDGED IN THE MIDDLE.
IT LOOKED RIDICULOUS.
YOU COULD USE IT TO FRAME 
SELFIES OR SOMETHING OR LIKE 
REALLY QUICKLY RESPOND TO A TEXT
IF YOU HATED YOURSELF.
BUT THIS BY ITSELF IS PERFECTLY 
USEABLE.
>> IT'S ANOTHER PHONE ON TOP OF 
YOUR FOLDING PHONE.
>> I WOULD BUY THIS PHONE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> I THINK IT'S CALLED A GALAXY 
S 20.
COME ON.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> OR LIKE THE ESSENTIAL GEM 
BEFORE ESSENTIAL -- I'M SURE YOU
GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS TOO.
BUT AT LEAST IN CONVERSATIONS 
I'VE HAD WITH DEVICEMAKERS, THEY
ARE STARTING TO SEE A PRETTY 
PRONOUNCED SHIFT IN WHAT PEOPLE 
WANT FOR THEIR DEVICES.
FOR SOME COMPANIES THEY WANT 
BIGGER SCREENS THAT ARE MORE 
AVAILABLE TO THEM.
AND FOR OTHERS IT'S LIKE, WELL, 
THE NEED FOR AN OMNIPRESENT BIG 
SCREEN IS LESS FOR OUR USERS.
SO WE'RE MOVING THE DIRECTION 
WHERE YOU GET THIS SORT OF 
SMALLER SCREEN ALL OF THE TIME.
I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A 
REALLY INTERESTING BI OR 
TRIFURCATION.
AND THIS IS LIKE THE MOST 
MAXIMAL PHONE DESIGN.
IT'S THE MOST EXTRA PHONE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S THE 
CHERLYNN PHONE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> I HESITATED.
>> YEAH.
BEFORE WE KEEP GOING ON DOWN 
THIS VERY DANGEROUS SLIPPERY 
SLOPE, LET'S, FOR OUR LISTENERS,
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT 
THIS DEVICE THIS WEEK.
LET'S TAKE A STEP AND EXPLAIN 
KIND OF WHAT THE PRICE POINT FOR
THIS IS AND ALSO WHAT ARE THE 
THINGS THAT YOU CAN EXPECT.
>> I'M ASSUMING YOU ASKED ABOUT 
THE SPECS AND PRICE.
>> THIS IS A $2,000 SMARTPHONE, 
WHICH ADMITTEDLY SOUNDS 
TERRIBLE.
I THINK -- SO THE ORIGINAL 
GALAXY FOLD WENT ON SALE FOR 
$1,980.
IT WAS BASICALLY A $2,000 PHONE.
WE TALKED A BIT WITH BEN ABOUT 
THIS YESTERDAY, JUST CROSSING 
THE MENTAL THRESHOLD FROM A 
DEVICE COSTING $1,000 TO $2,000.
I VERY MUCH DO NOT LIKE THAT.
WE'LL GET TO THE PHONE ITSELF IN
JUST A SECOND.
BUT I DO HAVE TO POINT OUT 
BECAUSE OUR LIVE STREAM AUDIENCE
WITH OUR UNBOXING THING WAS VERY
SORT OF ADAMANT ABOUT IT.
BACK WHEN YOU BOUGHT A $1,980 
THING, YOU AT LEAST GOT A BUNCH 
OF STUFF.
YOU WERE VERY CLEARLY WELL 
HEALED BETA TESTER.
BUT AT LEAST YOU GOT GALAXY 
BUDS, YOU GOT A CASE, YOU GOT 
LIKE A DECENT ASSORTMENT OF 
STUFF THAT YOU CAN START USING 
WITH THE PHONE RIGHT OFF THE 
BAT.
YOU GET NONE OF THAT HERE.
YOU DON'T GET HEADPHONES OF ANY 
KIND.
YOU GET A SIM INJECTION TOOL AND
A COUPLE PIECES OF PAPER SAYING 
DON'T DRINK COFFEE NEAR THE 
PHONE.
>> IS IT METAL OR PLASTIC?
>> IT IS METAL.
>> OH, MAN!
>> I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN 
A PLASTIC -- NO THANKS.
BUT, YEAH.
SO ASIDE FROM THAT WE ARE 
LOOKING AT A FULLY FLAGSHIP 
DEVICE.
IT'S GOT A TRIO OF 12 MEGAPIXEL 
CAMERAS AROUND THE BACK.
I BELIEVE FOR MAYBE THE FIRST 
TIME SAMSUNG ISN'T DOING ANY 
KIND OF DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN 
THE MODEL IN THE U.S. AND 
ELSEWHERE.
>> I'M SURE THEY'RE JUST LIKE 
WE'RE TIRED, CAN YOU GUYS PICK 
ONE CHIP?
WE'RE TIRED.
>> AND ALSO I DON'T LIKE BEING 
HATED BY PEOPLE.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE THING ABOUT 
THE XANOS CHIP.
>> THERE TENDS TO BE A PRETTY 
SIGNIFICANT PERFORMANCE 
DIFFERENCE.
PEOPLE JUST DON'T LIKE SAMSUNG'S
CHIPS.
YOU DO KIND OF GET THAT NO 
COMPROMISED EXPERIENCE NO MATTER
WHERE YOU LIVE.
PEOPLE ALSO TOLD US THAT THE 
HEADPHONES MAY NOT APPARENTLY 
COME IN THE BOX, BUT YOU CAN 
REQUEST IT FROM SAMSUNG AND 
THEY'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.
>> YOU GET THE CRAPPY WIRED ONES
OR DO YOU GET ACTUALLY BUDS?
>> YOU DON'T GET LIKE ACTUAL 
WIRELESS BUDS.
THEY ARE WIRED ONES, I BELIEVE.
THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO POINT 
OUT IS THAT I NEED TO EAT SOME 
REAL HUMBLE PIE HERE BECAUSE 
I'VE BEEN GIVING YOU ALL THE 
WRONG CRIES FOR THE ORIGINAL 
GALAXY FOLD FOR MONTHS.
I HAVE KEPT SAYING FOR SO LONG.
BECAUSE DO YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PRICE OF 
THE X.
AND LENOVO HAS A FOLDABLE LAPTOP
TABLET THING THAT WAS NORTH OF 
2,500 I THINK.
AGAIN, NOT ENTIRELY SURE BECAUSE
MY BRAIN IS MUSH.
>> I BLAME CHERLYNN ENTIRELY FOR
THIS.
YELL AT HER.
>> I WILL NEED TO EAT STUFF.
JUST, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT 
MISTAKE.
THE ORIGINAL FOLD WAS $1,980.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT -- I 
ASSUME YOU GO OUTSIDE 
OCCASIONALLY.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT HAVING A 
$2,000 PHONE?
THE MORE EXPENSIVE MY PHONES 
ARE, THE MORE ANXIETY I HAVE 
ABOUT DROPPING IT, LOSING IT, 
HAVING IT STOLEN, OPENING IT IN 
PUBLIC ANYTHING, REALLY.
>> WELL, FOR ME AND ESPECIALLY 
FOR ME BECAUSE I REVIEW LIKE A 
LOT OF EXPENSIVE PHONES.
FOR THE REVIEW PERIOD, LIKE, I 
DO OCCASIONALLY DROP IT, NOT 
BECAUSE I MEAN TO BUT JUST 
BECAUSE I'M A TOTAL KLUTZ AS A 
HUMAN BEING.
BUT IN GENERAL I TDO MY BEST TO 
BABY THESE THINGS.
I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO 
PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT I DON'T 
EVEN GET TO KEEP.
ONCE I SORT OF CROSS THE 
THRESHOLD, IF I BUY A PHONE, FOR
INSTANCE.
I USE iPHONES FAIRLY FREQUENTLY 
AND I'VE BEEN USING AN iPHONE 11
PRO MAX.
I'M VERY CAREFUL FOR, LIKE, I 
DON'T KNOW, SIX MONTHS TO A 
YEAR.
THEN AFTER THAT IT'S LIKE 
WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THIS THING 
HAPPENS.
>> BECAUSE YOU SECRETLY JUST 
WANT TO UPGRADE.
>> WALKING AROUND WITH A DEVICE 
LIKE THIS WHICH IS JUST SO WELL 
BUILT.
IT'S A CONSTANT REMINDER 
PHYSICALLY OF JUST HOW PREMIUM 
THIS THING IS.
THIS HAS COME UP ON A COUPLE OF 
THE LIVE THINGS WE'VE DONE SO 
FAR.
I GENERALLY WEAR REALLY TIGHT 
JEANS.
[ LAUGHTER ]
WHICH FREQUENTLY MEANS THAT THE 
ONLY WAY TO PUT A PHONE LIKE 
THIS IS IN MY BACK POCKET.
SO IN THE FEW TIMES THAT I HAVE 
GONE OUT WITH THIS IN MY BACK 
POCKET, I DO FEEL LIKE THE 
WORLD'S WORST PERSON.
>> I TELL PEOPLE IN NEW YORK, 
ESPECIALLY PEOPLE AROUND THE 
SUBWAYS, LIKE THE BACK POCKET IS
LITERALLY THE WORST PLACE FOR 
YOUR SMARTPHONE BECAUSE I HAVE 
DEFINITELY SEEN PEOPLE WALK 
THROUGH THE SUBWAY, CREEP AROUND
AND JUST SEE WHO HAS LIKE AN 
UNCHECKED SMARTPHONE WHERE 
THEY'RE STANDING BY THE DOOR AND
THEY CAN JUST LIKE GRAB THAT 
PHONE AND KEEP RUNNING.
I UNDERSTAND.
IT'S TOUGH IF YOU DON'T HAVE 
FRONT POCKETS, IT'S TOUGH FOR 
WOMEN ESPECIALLY.
BUT BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR PHONES.
>> I WILL JUST SAY IT'S REALLY 
HARD TO BE V'S FRIEND.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> JUST IN GENERAL.
COME ON. 
>> I'M NEVER DOING THE PODCAST 
AGAIN!
>> YOU HAVE TO BE CONCERNED FOR 
YOURSELF.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE HANGING OUT, 
YOU'RE ALSO, LIKE, V, CAN YOU 
PLEASE NOT SIT ON THAT THING?
IT'S HARD TO BE YOUR FRIEND WHEN
YOU RANDOMLY RETURN A PHONE WITH
A SHATTERED FRONT TO ME.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> I KNOW EXACTLY THE SITUATION 
YOU'RE THINKING OF.
THAT WAS A ME AND MIKE, OUR 
SOCIAL MEDIA PRODUCER, THAT WAS 
A JOINT COLLABORATION OF 
FAILURE.
WE WERE SHOOTING AN ENGADGET 
TODAY.
HE THREW ME A PHONE.
BUT THEN I DIDN'T CATCH IT.
>> DON'T THROW YOUR PHONES.
>> I'M NOT PHYSICALLY WELL 
COORDINATED.
SORRY.
>> IT'S REALLY HARD TO BE YOUR 
FRIEND.
BUT, ANYWAY, BACK TO THE Z FOLD 
2, ANY THOUGHTS MORE THAN WHAT 
WE'VE -- WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY 
REAL LIVE TIME.
>> WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE BY ME 
BECAUSE THAT THING IS UGLY.
THE TOM BRAND EDITION, YOU PAY 
$3,300.
AND YOU GET A SILVER GALAXY Z 
FOLD 2 WITH LIKE AN AQUA FRESH 
RED AND BLUE STRIPE DOWN THE 
BACK.
YOU GET THE GALAXY BUDS LIVE.
YOU BASICALLY GET THE PACKAGE 
YOU WISH YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN 
WITH THE Z FOLD 2 BUT YOU HAVE 
TO SPEND AN EXTRA AMOUNT OF 
MONEY FOR IT.
THE WALLPAPERS ARE BAD.
LIKE, JUST LIKE BUYING A $2,000 
PHONE IS INDULGENCE ENOUGH.
LIKE YOU DON'T NEED TO ACTIVELY 
MAKE IT WORSE TO JUSTIFY YOUR, 
LIKE, WEIRDO HYPE BEAST FASHION 
TREND NEEDS.
>> I THINK THEY KNOW THE MARKET 
FOR THIS THOUGH.
IT IS BCs.
IT IS STARTUP BROS WHO WANT LIKE
THE HOT, HOT NEW THING.
I WAS THINKING OF LIKE THE LAST 
SEASON OF SILICON VALLEY WHERE I
THINK THE STARTUP BRO, HE HAD 
THE RED PHONE, WHICH IS 
LITERALLY THE ONLY PLACE I'VE 
EVER RECEIVED THE RED PHONES.
BECAUSE GIVE IT TO THE BIG 
STARTUP BRO BECAUSE ONLY THEY 
WOULD BUY IT.
IT'S FOR THOSE CHARACTERS.
>> AND I WANT TO SAY LIKE DOING 
THE MATH FOR THAT TOM BROWN 
EDITION, WELL, $2,000, THEN YOU 
GET THE WATCH 3, WHICH IS 400 --
YEAH, IT STARTS AT $400.
SO LET'S SAY YOU GET THE $400 
MODEL.
THEN YOU HAVE THE BEANS GUYS.
150, 130-ISH.
>> THEY SHOULD'VE JUST CALLED 
THEM THE GALAXY BEANS.
>> THE TOTAL PRICE IS LIKE UNDER
2,700, I GUESS, OR 2,600.
AND YOU'RE PAYING 3,300 REALLY 
TO GET THE TOM BROWN DESIGN AND 
THE CUSTOM ACCESSORY'S WATCH 
STRAPS AND CASE DESIGN THINGS 
FOR YOUR BUDS.
SO, I THINK THE VALUE THERE IS 
HARD TO, LIKE, JUSTIFY UNLESS 
YOU'RE LIKE REALLY HARDCORE TOM 
BROWN FAN OR LIKE A BC PERSON.
>> IT'S ALL FOR PEOPLE, THE 
PEOPLE TAGGED IN BC HUMBLE BRAGS
AT TWITTER ACCOUNT, WHICH IS 
FANTASTIC.
BUT, HEY, SAMSUNG WILL MAKE SOME
MONEY.
>> AND, CHERLYNN, TO YOUR POINT,
IT'S DIFFICULT TO JUSTIFY THAT 
VALUE, BUT THAT'S PURELY BECAUSE
IT'S MEANT FOR PEOPLE FOR WHOM 
VALUE IS NOT A CONCEPT THAT THEY
HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH GENERALLY.
>> WHAT I'M MORE EXCITED FOR IS 
THE POTENTIAL OR THE POSSIBILITY
OF A BTS VERSION OF ANY OF THESE
THINGS.
WE'VE SEEN SAMSUNG DO SOME BTS 
VERSIONS OF, WHAT WAS IT, THE 
BUDS PLUS?
>> I THINK IT WAS THE BUDS.
BUT THEY ALSO DEFINITELY DID THE
BTS GALAXY S20 PLUS.
IN FAIRNESS TO SAMSUNG, I 
LISTENED TO K-POP, BUT I WOULD 
BE TOTALLY FINE USING THAT.
>> AND I AM A BUDDING BLINK, 
WHICH MEANS I AM A FAN OF 
BLACKPINK, AND I WOULD 100% BUY 
A BLACKPINK PHONE.
>> WE'RE JUST MAKING UP WORDS.
WHAT IS HAPPENING?
>> TO BE FAIR, SAMSUNG'S NOT THE
FIRST ONE OR THIS ISN'T EVEN 
SAMSUNG'S FIRST ONE.
BUT THEY ARE THE FIRST ONE TO 
TEAM UP WITH AN OUTSIDE DESIGNER
TO MAKE A DIFFERENT VARIANT OR 
MORE EXPENSIVE VARIANT OF ITS 
PHONE.
IN THE PAST WE'VE ALSO HAD 
HUAWEI.
>> APPLE ERMEZ WATCHBAND THING?
>> BUT LIKE YOU COULD ALMOST 
JUSTIFY ERMEZ.
THE APPLE WATCH FOR A WHILE WAS 
THIS WEIRD VAGUELY ASPIRATIONAL.
>> YOU CAN JUSTIFY THE GOLD 
APPLE WATCH.
HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST?
>> GOD.
WEREN'T THEY LIKE $10,000 OR 
SOMETHING?
>> REALLY SAMSUNG AND EVERYBODY 
IS CHASING THAT DREAM.
YOU SPENT SOME TIME WITH THE 
SURFACE DUO, CHERLYNN.
WE STILL CANNOT, IN PRIVATE WE 
CAN TURN IT ON.
ON PUBLIC AND VIDEO AND 
EVERYTHING, WE CANNOT.
THIS IS HOW REVIEWS WORK.
BUT, CHERLYNN, YOU CAN TALK 
ABOUT THE FEEL AND THE FOLDING 
AND ALL THAT STUFF.
DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS 
COMPARED TO THIS?
>> I WANT TO COMPARE -- YEAH.
I CAN COMPARE IT.
I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE 
DUO'S HARDWARE NOW THAT I'VE 
SPENT SOME TIME JUST HOLDING IT 
OPENING AND CLOSING IT, IT FEELS
REALLY GOOD.
IT REALLY HONESTLY, THE 
WEIGHTING OF IT IS VERY NICELY 
BALANCED.
I'VE HELD IT A LOT OPEN AND 
USUALLY MY LEFT HAND WHILE MY 
RIGHT TYPES ON THE OTHER SCREEN.
AND IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S 
ABOUT TO FALL OUT OF MY HANDS.
THE HINGE IS SUPER STURDY.
AND IT'S A LOT THINNER.
LIKE THESE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL 
SCREENS, THE Z FOLD 2 -- SO THAT
ALONE I THINK ALREADY MAKES ME 
FEEL GOOD.
I SAW SOME COMMENTS DURING OUR 
UNBOXING OF Z FOLD 2.
CHRIS ASKED IF HE COULD OPEN OR 
CLOSE THE Z FOLD 2 WITH ONE 
HAND.
AND HE COULD, AND THEY WERE 
SAYING THAT THE DUO CAN'T BE 
OPEN AND SHUT WITH ONE HAND.
HONESTLY, THOUGH.
>> I DON'T THINK --
>> I FEEL LIKE IT COULD.
>> BUT I CAN'T OPEN IT WITH ONE 
HAND THAT EASILY.
>> I WOULD SAY PEOPLE, ONCE YOU 
GET YOUR HANDS ON THESE THINGS, 
THAT MAY NOT BE A THING YOU WANT
TO BE DOING, JUST GIVEN THE 
SIZE.
YOU MAY WANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE
CAREFUL.
>> YEAH.
I THINK THAT THE HINGE ALSO 
FEELS A LOT DIFFERENT.
I'M EXPECTING THE Z FOLD -- I 
HAVEN'T TOUCHED THE Z FOLD 2.
BUT WHAT I KNOW FROM THE Z FOLD 
2 BASED ON VIDEOS AND ON THE Z 
FLIP, I THINK THE HINGE ON THE 
SURFACE DUO IS ACTUALLY A LOT 
SMOOTHER.
>> I WILL SAY UNRESERVEDLY THE 
BEST HINGE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN 
MY ENTIRE LIFE.
NOT JUST GADGET BUT ANY PRODUCT.
LIKE, THIS IS SOMETHING 
MICROSOFT HAS BEEN PERFECTING 
FOR A WHILE.
>> IT'S VERY PRETTY TOO.
IT'S ODDLY KIND OF ATTRACTIVE 
BECAUSE THERE'S THESE TWO SILVER
CYLINDER THINGS THAT ARE NEXT TO
EACH OTHER.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET 
UP SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AT 
SOME POINT.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY -- 
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> STAY 6 FEET APART AND JUST 
FOLD AT EACH OTHER.
>> NO.
HAVEN'T YOU LEARNED?
>> WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED?
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> SORRY.
>> BUT I DO THINK THAT A MEETUP 
IS IN THE WORKS FOR ME AND CHRIS
VELAZCO SO WE CAN BOTH PLAY WITH
THESE THINGS AND THEN TELL YOU 
ON A LATER SHOW MAYBE ABOUT WHAT
WE FELT WHEN I CAN FULLY TALK 
ABOUT THIS.
>> A FOLDING VIDEO.
WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THE 
SURFACE DUO SOON.
CAN YOU SAY WHEN WE CAN EXPECT A
REVIEW OF THE Z FOLD 2?
>> WHAT CAN I SAY ABOUT THAT?
SO HERE'S WHAT I'LL SAY.
WE CAN BASICALLY PUBLISH OUR 
REVIEW WHENEVER WE WANT.
BUT THIS IS PROBABLY BY FAR ONE 
OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PHONES OF 
THE YEAR.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE 
BIT EXTRA WITH THIS ONE.
WE GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE 
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WE'LL TURN 
A REVIEW AROUND IN A WEEK.
THAT'S WITH THE VIDEO AND THE 
FULL WRITTEN COMPONENT OF THE 
PHOTOS.
WE REALLY WANT TO DO THIS ONE 
JUSTICE.
I WOULD SAY GIVE US A COUPLE 
EXTRA DAYS TO MAKE SURE THIS ONE
IS AS GOOD AS IT DESERVES TO BE 
FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
>> YOU DO NOT WANT A RUSHED 
REVIEW.
THAT'S THE THING ESPECIALLY WITH
THESE NEW DEVICES.
THE SURFACE DUO, BASED ON JUST 
MY TIME WITH IT, IT'LL TAKE AT 
LEAST A WEEK TO LEARN HOW TO USE
IT AND HOW TO GET USED TO THOSE 
TYPES OF DEVICES.
>> I'M GOING TO REALLY HAMMER 
HOME THAT POINT.
IN PREFER I'D PREFER IF WE TOOK 
OUR TIME WITH DEVICES TO BE ABLE
TO REALLY GET TO KNOW THEM 
BETTER BEFORE WE PUT OUR 
THOUGHTS DOWN ON PAPER AND 
VIDEO.
BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE THE 
LUXURY OF THAT BECAUSE COMPANIES
GIVE SOME SUPER TIGHT TIMELINES 
SOMETIMES.
[ LAUGHTER ]
AND I THINK IN GENERAL I DON'T 
FEEL LIKE I NEED TO GO COMPETE 
WITH ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE 
PUTTING UP THEIR REVIEWS ON DAY 
ONE OR SOMETHING.
MAYBE WE CAN DO IT MORE JUSTICE,
LIKE YOU SAID, IF WE SPENT MORE 
TIME WITH IT.
SO THAT'S OUR PHILOSOPHY AT 
LEAST.
>> ALL GOOD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, V.
YOU HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING TO SAY
YOU'RE LEAVING THE PODCAST.
>> I AM LEAVING NOW.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
IT'S ALWAYS REALLY FUN AND I'M 
GOING TO GO PLAY WITH THIS THING
AND TRY NOT TO BREAK IT FOR THE 
NEXT COUPLE DAYS.
>> PLEASE DON'T.
>> OKAY.
GOOD.
WE ARE DONE.
SHOW IS OVER NOW.
WE DID THINGS OUT OF ORDER.
YOU CAN STOP THE RECORDINGS.
ACTUALLY, NO, KEEP THE 
RECORDINGS GOING, IF YOU HAVEN'T
STOPPED THEM ALREADY.
WE'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS.
PETER IN THE CHAT SAID HE HAD A 
GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT BUILD 
QUALITY.
HE SAID DOES IT FEEL LIKE IT 
WOULD LAST, THE Z FOLD?
>> IF ONLY BECAUSE THE HINGE HAS
JUST SO MUCH MORE ATTENTION TO 
IT THAN THE ORIGINAL.
THAT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE THEY 
WANTED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SORT
OF PROP IT UP AND USE IT IN WHAT
THEY CALL FLEX MODE.
IT HAS THE ABILITY TO STAY OPEN 
BETWEEN 45 AND PRETTY OBLIQUE 
ANGLES.
IT'S MUCH BETTER BUILT THAN THE 
ORIGINAL.
IT'S PHYSICALLY BETTER IN EVERY 
SINGLE WAY.
I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR A WHILE NOW
THAT WHAT SAMSUNG REALLY NEEDED 
TO DO WAS THE SOFTWARE.
BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE 
REVIEW.
>> AND THERE WAS ANOTHER 
COMMENT.
I FORGET WHO SAID THAT YOU ARE 
LESS LIKELY TO GET A BIG PHONE 
LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT 
REALLY GOING PLACES.
THEY ACTUALLY CUT AGAINST THAT 
AND THEY SAID THAT COVID IS ONE 
REASON THAT THEY WOULD BE 
GETTING THE FOLD 2 BECAUSE THEY 
DON'T WEAR ABOUT CARRYING A 
BULLWAY PHONE AROUND IN THEIR 
POCKET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ON 
THE PHONE.
SO IT'S A GOOD INTERMEDIARY 
BETWEEN A PHONE AND A LAPTOP.
>> WE ALL BRING OUR OWN PERSONAL
EXPERIENCES TO THE DEVICE.
I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT 
MY CIRCUMSTANCES AND DEVINDRA'S 
AND CHERLYNN'S ARE DIFFERENT 
THAN MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE
ACCESS TO TONS OF STUFF.
I'VE BEEN FINDING MYSELF 
GRAVITATING TOWARDS THE SMALLER 
THINGS.
>> I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE 
TALKING ABOUT DEVICES DURING 
PANDEMIC AND WHILE YOU'RE 
TRAPPED AT HOME.
BUT THE BASE iPAD IS A FANTASTIC
THING.
TO ME IT MAKES MORE SENSE HAVING
A NORMAL SIZED PHONE AND THEN 
KEEP THAT iPAD AROUND FOR WHEN 
YOU'RE SITTING AT THE COUCH OR 
WHEN YOU WANT TO DIVE INTO 
SOMETHING BIG, RATHER THAN JUST 
CARRY AROUND SOMETHING BIG.
BUT THAT'S ME.
>> ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT HOW TO
USE OR HOW YOU'RE INTERACTING 
WITH THE Z FOLD.
SOMEONE ASKS DO YOU HAVE TO PUSH
IT IN THE CENTER WITH YOUR THUMB
TO FOLD IT UP?
>> TO FOLD IT UP?
SO, THAT IS THE WEIRD THING.
IF YOU'RE USING BOTH HANDS, IT'S
PRETTY EASY TO GRAB BOTH SIDES 
AND DO IT.
BUT WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS SORT
OF ONE-HANDED OPENING 
DEMONSTRATION EARLIER, THAT 
FEELS REALLY BAD.
YOU SORT OF HAVE TO SHIMMY A 
THUMB INTO THE CRACK BETWEEN THE
TWO SIDES.
THEN YOU DO HAVE TO PUSH WITH A 
CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF FORCE ON 
THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHONE TO 
OPEN IT.
AND ALL THE WHILE YOUR THUMB 
NAIL IS DIGGING INTO THE SCREEN 
PROTECTOR THAT'S COVERING THE 
ULTRA THIN GLASS.
I DON'T REALLY EXPECT THAT THIS 
WILL DAMAGE THE FOLD LONG TERM.
BUT SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ACTION 
JUST, IT FEELS LIKE IT WOULD 
HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DO THAT.
.
YEAH.
THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THAT 
QUESTION IS I THINK THEY MEANT 
WHEN IT'S OPEN AND DO YOU HAVE 
TO PRESS THE MIDDLE OF THE 
SCREEN TO TRIGGER THE HINGE TO 
START FOLDING?
BUT I THINK YOU CAN STILL PUSH 
THE BOTTOM MIDDLE OF THE PHONE.
>> IF IT'S OPEN AND YOU WANT TO 
CLOSE IT WITH ONE HAND, THE BEST
THING IS TO APPLY A BIT OF 
PRESSURE AND LET YOUR OTHER 
THI
FINGERS DO THE WORK.
I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT 
SCENARIO AS MUCH AS THE ONE THAT
I'M TALKING ABOUT.
>> OH, AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER 
QUESTION THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE
BETTER FOR JUST THIS BIG Q&A 
TIME.
SO DIRK WANTED TO KNOW WHAT 
PHONE DO EACH OF YOU USE WHEN 
YOU'RE NOT DOING THE VIEWS?
LIKE, WHAT DO YOU JUST USE -- I 
THINK YOU'VE CALLED IT A DAILY 
DRIVER IN THE PAST.
>> MY MAIN DRIVER CURRENTLY IS 
THE PIXEL 4A.
I HONESTLY AM SURPRISED.
BUT I AM ALSO TESTING SEVERAL 
DIFFERENT THINGS ON SEVERAL 
DIFFERENT PHONES.
SO MAYBE I'M NOT USING IT THAT 
HARD.
>> I'M USING THE iPHONE 11 PRO, 
NOT THE PRO MAX BECAUSE THE PRO 
MAX IS WAY TOO BIG, WAY TOO 
HEAVY.
BUT THE PRO IS THE PERFECT SIZE 
FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
LOOKING FORWARD TO WHATEVER NEW 
STUFF COMES DOWN THE LINE THIS 
YEAR.
>> I WAS USING THE 11 PRO MAX.
BUT IT HONESTLY JUST LIKE HURTS 
MY WRIST.
>> IT'S SO HEAVY!
>> IT'S NOT PLEASANT TO USE 
ANYMORE.
I'VE GONE FULLY IN ON THE iPHONE
SE.
>> WOW.
>> I REALLY DO LIKE THE PIXEL 4A
A LOT.
BUT THEY'RE ROUGHLY THE SAME 
PRICE.
AND THE iPHONE SE GETS YOU 
LITERALLY A FLAGSHIP CALIBER 
CHIP SET.
>> YOU'RE ALSO OUR APPLE GUY.
IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOUR DAILY 
DRIVER IS AN APPLE DEVICE.
>> I AM THE GUY WHO HAS TO DEAL 
WITH APPLE ALL THE TIME.
I'M NOT STRICTLY THE APPLE GUY.
>> WHAT I MEANT WAS THAT YOU 
COVER iPHONES MORE THAN ANYONE 
ELSE.
YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON THAT 
REALLY COVERS iPHONES SO YOU 
REALLY HAVE TO KNOW THAT 
ECOSYSTEM VERY WELL AND IT MAKES
SENSE FOR YOU TO USE APPLE.
>> I'M SURPRISED WITH THE 
EMBEZZLES, ESPECIALLY AFTER 
GOING WITH ALL THESE BEZEL-FREE 
DEVICES.
>> I GO OUT, LIKE, AT NIGHT 
UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS TO 
EXERCISE AND GET GROCERIES AND 
STUFF.
I LIKE HAVING A FINGERPRINT 
SENSOR THERE.
THAT TO ME IS MORE VALUABLE THAN
HAVING A COUPLE EXTRA 
MILLIMETERS OF SCREEN REAL 
ESTATE.
I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY MASK ON.
IT'S WHERE I NEED TO BE.
>> WE'RE BOTH MEANING THE 
MID-RANGE EAR PHONES THESE DAYS.
>> THERE'S ONE MORE QUESTION 
ABOUT THESE MULTISCREEN PHONES.
OLIVER ASKED CAN YOU COMPARE THE
SURFACE PRO DUO TO THE GALAXY Z 
FOLD 2 TO THE FX PRO 1 SLIDER?
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HEARING OF
THIS.
>> NO.
>> HOLD ON.
>> NO!
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> I SHOULDN'T ROLL AWAY TO MY 
SIDE?
>> AND THEN THEY ALSO MENTIONED 
THE PRIV 2 FOR BLACKBERRY.
>> THE BLACKBERRY, WE'RE TALKING
KEYBOARD PHONES NOW, I GUESS.
OR, NO, THE PRIV WAS THE ALL 
SCREEN.
THE BLACKBERRY PRIV 2, WAS THAT 
THE --
>> THE PRIV WAS THE SLIDER.
THEN WE GOT THE KEY 1 AND THE 
KEY 2, WHICH WERE REALLY, REALLY
PRETTY.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?
>> JUST COMPARE THE WINDOWS DUO 
TO THE GALAXY Z FOLD 2 TO THE --
NOT PRIV, TO THE FX PRO 1 
SLIDER.
>> CHERLYNN, DO YOU WANT TO 
LEAVE OFF WITH -- 
>> YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE THEM
BECAUSE ONE'S A KEYBOARD SLIDING
PHONE AND ONE'S A DUAL SCREEN 
HINGE DEVICE.
IT'S HARD TO COMPARE.
>> WAS IT THE TRIPLE SLIDER?
THE HELIOS.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?
>> WHICH ONE'S THE HELIOS?
>> WE'VE GOT ONE OF THOSE AT THE
OFFICE.
UNFORTUNATELY I NEVER GRABBED 
IT.
THE ONE YOU SLIDE UP FOR THE KEY
PAD.
>> OCEAN.
THAT WAS GOOD STUFF.
I LOVE THAT.
>> THAT WAS LIKE A 2007 PHONE.
>> IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE 
iPHONE CAME.
IT WAS 3G WHEN FIRST GEN WAS 
NOT.
>> THE FX PRO 1 SLIDER, DO YOU 
REMEMBER THE SPECS ABOUT IT SO 
AT LEAST I CAN MAKE SOME SORT OF
COMPARISON THERE?
>> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND 
IT'S BEEN A WHILE, I BELIEVE IT 
WAS A SNAP DRAGON 845.
THIS IS A LONDON-BASED STARTUP.
IT WAS DESIGNED BY A PERSON WHO 
GREW UP LOVING LIKE THE NOKIA 
eSERIES.
>> I LOVE THOSE BY THE WAY.
>> I DON'T THINK WE EVER REALLY 
REVIEWED THIS THING BECAUSE WE 
GOT REALLY BUSY.
>> IT SHOWED UP AT MWC 2019.
WE COVERED IT THERE WITH A 
HANDS-ON.
I LOVE THOSE TYPES OF KEYBOARDS.
>> I WILL SAY PHYSICALLY, THE 
ONE SORT OF CONCERN I ALWAYS HAD
ABOUT THE FX TECH WAS, LIKE, 
YES, THE SLIDEOUT MECHANISM DOES
WORK REALLY WELL.
>> CAN YOU DO THAT AGAIN BY THE 
MICROPHONE?
>> THIS IS GOING TO PROVE MY 
POINT REALLY NICELY.
>> THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
>> I KEPT MOVING WITH A LOT OF 
VELOCITY.
I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF 
THESE LITTLE PLASTIC BITS -- OR 
THEY'RE METAL ACTUALLY.
BUT ONE OF THESE SCREWS HOLDING 
UP THE DISPLAY JUST GAVE OUT 
AFTER A WHILE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL YOU CAN 
SEE IT, BUT THE RIBBON CABLE FOR
THE DISPLAY IS JUST HANGING IN 
THERE.
I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED USING 
THIS ONE.
>> OH, YEAH, LOOK AT THAT.
>> OH, MAN.
LET ME JUST SAY I DO MISS THE 
THUNK OF A GOOD SLIDER.
>> THIS THING DOES CLOSE THE 
BEST OUT OF ALL OF THE DEVICES I
TESTED.
>> NOW THAT I'VE SEEN A BIT MORE
ABOUT THE WAY THEY'RE 
POSITIONING IT, I GET THE 
COMPARISON TO THE DUO A LITTLE 
BIT BETTER.
YOU SLIDE OUT THE SCREEN, 
THERE'S KEYBOARD BELOW, AND THEN
YOU CAN RUN LIKE MULTIPLE APPS 
WHEN YOU HAVE THAT THING ON 
LANDSCAPE.
AND I GUESS THE DUO SORT OF IS 
SUPPOSED TO DO THAT IF YOU HOLD 
IT IN LANDSCAPE AND THE BOTTOM 
HALF OF THE SCREEN IS A TOUCH 
BOARD AND APPS ON THE TOP.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK THE DUO 
MIGHT BE A BIT MORE VERSATILE 
BECAUSE THAT BOTTOM HALF OF THE 
SCREEN CAN DO LITERALLY WHATEVER
YOU WANT.
WHEREAS FOR THE FS TECH, THE 
BOTTOM PART IS ONLY A KEYBOARD.
>> I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER 
TESTED AN FX TECH WITH FINAL 
SOFTWARE.
>> I DO THINK MULTITASKING ON 
NORMAL SMARTPHONES IS GETTING 
BETTER.
BECAUSE I'M RUNNING THE IOS 14 
DATA.
AND I HAD TO KEEP IT TO FULL 
SCREEN TO PLAY.
I SWIPED UP.
IT MOVED UP INTO A LITTLE WINDOW
IN THE CORNER OF MY PHONE AND I 
COULD KEEP DOING OTHER STUFF.
THAT WAS EARTH SHATTERING.
THAT WAS THE BEST.
>> SO THEY'RE JOKING IN THE CHAT
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN 
EMBARGO ON WHEN THE DUO EMBARGO 
LIFTS, LIKE A DOUBLE EMBARGO.
>> I THINK EVERYBODY IS AWARE 
THAT REVIEWERS WHO HAVE -- 
>> THIS IS WHY. 
>> AGREEMENTS WITH MICROSOFT 
CAN'T REALLY -- BUT IT'S TRUE 
THAT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF TWEETS 
ABOUT THIS WHERE, YEAH, YOU CAN 
ALREADY PLAY WITH IT IN THE 
STORE AND TALK ABOUT THE 
SOFTWARE IF YOU PLAYED WITH IT 
IN THE STORE IF YOU'RE A REGULAR
PERSON/CONSUMER.
>> IF YOU WANT TO BRAVE COVID 
AND GO TO A MICROSOFT STORE, 
MORE POWER TO YOU.
>> BEST BUYS HAVE THEM.
>> AND WHETHER THERE IS AN 
EMBARGO ABOUT WHEN THE EMBARGO 
LIFTS AND IF THERE'S AN EMBARGO 
TALKING ABOUT THE EMBARGO 
LIFTING, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, I 
DON'T KNOW.
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST 
TIME WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO JUST 
DISCUSS EMBARGOES AS A THING OUT
LOUD IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.
RIGHT?
LIKE THAT ALWAYS FELT TO ME LIKE
THE MOST INSIDE OF INSIDE 
BASEBALL.
>> I THINK NOW WE'VE BEEN CALLED
OUT ABOUT IT SO MUCH THAT, LIKE,
IT'S A KNOWN THING.
LIKE ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO, 
LIKE, WATCH TECH REVIEWS A LOT.
THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I GUESS THE 
EMBARGO LIFTED.
>> WE KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
WHEN I WAS A KID FOLLOWING 
FRICKEN GAMING WEBSITES, I KNEW 
WHEN ALL THE REVIEWS WERE OUT.
LIKE, COME ON.
THIS IS NOT SOME BLACK MAGIC 
HERE.
I WANT TO SAY, FOLKS, THANK YOU 
FOR JOINING US.
WE CAN TAKE SOME MORE QUESTIONS.
BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO SHOUT OUT 
THAT OUR NEXT EPISODE OF OUR 
UPSCALED SHOW, WHICH IS ALL 
ABOUT NVIDIA'S RTX 3000 CARDS IS
GOING TO BE GOING LIVE AS SOON 
AS WE END THIS STREAM.
SO BE SURE TO REFRESH THE 
ENGADGET YOUTUBE CHANNEL, KEEP 
AN EYE OUT FOR THAT.
CHRIS IS VERY EXCITED.
LIKE, HE IS IN PROBABLY FULL ON 
MODE TALKING ABOUT THESE CARDS.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING 
THAT VIDEO.
>> I'M SEEING ONE THING IN THE 
CHAT ABOUT THE COSMO 
COMMUNICATOR, HOW THAT WOULD 
COMPARE TO ALL OF THESE.
>> YOU ALL ARE JUST THROWING OUT
NAMES TO BE AS NICHE AS 
POSSIBLE.
>> THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON AT 
ENGADGET WHO COULD POSSIBLY HAVE
A COSMO COMMUNICATOR AND THAT'S 
JAMES.
>> THEY DESIGNED TO BE LIKE THE 
SUCCESSOR TO LIKE THOSE SC
SCION PDAs BACK IN THE '90s 
WHICH SORT OF LOOKED LIKE NOKIA 
COMMUNICATORS.
>> I DO HAVE TO SAY THE GOOD 
THUNK FROM THIS FX SLIDE KIND OF
REMINDS ME OF WHAT THEY DID FOR 
THE MATRIX CELL PHONES.
>> THAT'S WHERE IT STARTED.
LIKE THE THUNK ON THAT WAS THAT.
>> LIKE, WHAT MODEL OF PHONE WAS
THAT?
I WAS PRETTY SURE THEY DID A 
VERY SMALL RUN OF THOSE.
>> WHICH MATRIX PHONE THOUGH?
>> THE FIRST ONE.
>> LIKE THE SLIDER.
>> THE ORIGINAL ONE, LIKE THE 
NOKIA BANANA PHONE.
BUT THEN FOR THE SECOND ONE, 
SAMSUNG DID LIKE A REALLY UGLY 
MATRIX SPECIFIC PHONE THAT 
LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BUILT LIKE A 
BRICK.
I KNOW WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> WE COULD JUST SIT HERE AND 
TALK ALL DAY.
I'M GOING TO WIND THIS DOWN TO 
LET THESE PEOPLE GO HOME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US
ON THIS LIVE STREAM.
IF YOU ENJOY THIS LIVE STREAM, 
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WHEN ANYTHING HAPPENS ON 
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>> FOR PEOPLE WHO TEND TO ASK --
SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK ME WHEN IS 
THIS POD CAST GOING TO BE 
AVAILABLE.
IT'S AVAILABLE FRIDAY MORNING.
FRIDAY MORNINGS ARE WHEN WE DROP
NEW EPISODES OF THE ENGADGET 
PODCAST.
>> SUBSCRIBE.
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SUBSCRIBE BECAUSE THAT TELLS US 
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>> SO LET'S SHOUT OUT TO THE 
VIDEO TEAM.
THIS STREAM COMES TO YOU VIA OUR
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CARAMEL AND JULIO.
BUT IT IS POWERED BY EVERYONE IN
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IF YOU STUCK AROUND THIS LONG, 
RATE THE SHOW ON ITUNES.
WE ALL LIVE IN A WORLD OF 
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THAN YOU THINK.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
>> THANK YOU.
>> BYE, EVERYONE.
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