EDDIE CONWAY: Welcome to The Real News.
I'm Eddie Conway coming to you from Baltimore.
Recently, I have been looking at the conditions
of black Africans along the northern African
continent.
We looked at Mauritania, we looked at the
Sudan, we did not look at Libya because we
did not have enough expertise on it.
Now, joining me today is Glen Ford, the executive
editor of the Black Agenda Report who is thoroughly
aware of what's going on over there and I'm
asking him to share some of that information
with us.
Glen Ford, thanks for joining me.
GLEN FORD: Thanks for having me, Eddie.
EDDIE CONWAY: Can you give us a little understanding
of what's happening in Libya, in northern
Africa, and so on, and who's behind it?
GLEN FORD: Well, you know, this story really
strains the limits of vocabulary and especially
the limits of polite vocabulary if we're going
to describe the behavior of the people that
the United States has put into power at two
ends of the African continent.
At the far northern end of the continent in
Libya, the Islamist militias that the U.S.
acted as an air force for and bombed into
power back in 2011 with the attack on the
Gaddafi government.
The CNN news operation now reports that in
Libya, in the areas controlled by these Jihadist
factions, which are represented by one of
several governments in Libya that the price
of an African on the option block is about
$400.
That's what you can buy an African for.
But we should remember that it was CNN that
six years ago during the assault on Libya
that was embedded with the same militias,
especially the militia from Misrata that was
openly slaughtering black Libyans and slaughtering
sub-Saharan African immigrant workers and
they were doing that right under CNN's nose,
and CNN said not a mumbling word about it.
These militias were engaged in a very open
racist campaign.
Finally, the Wall Street Journal, of all people,
made a report on how the rebels were exterminating
and wiping off the face of the map the all
black city of Tawergha.
That's a city of about 40,000 people.
That city was wiped off the face of the Earth.
It's inhabitants were either killed or imprisoned
and dispersed throughout Libya by these same
militias that CNN had been embedded with and
after the victory of the Gaddafi governments,
these same militias, now organized as one
of the two or three governments in Libya,
proceeded to enslave those Africans, those
black Libyans and sub-Saharan Africans that
survived the war.
Then to also sell into slavery those Africans
who were traveling or trying to travel through
Libya to get on boats across the Mediterranean
to resettle in Europe that rump government
that controls western Libya was very embarrassed
at the CNN report.
They then put out a call to the African Union
and they asked the African Union for money
so that they could do something with the many
tens of thousands of black Africans that they
were holding in detention in Libya.
Apparently those are some of the people who
were being sold at auction, that is they were
put in detention camps and some of them are
now being sold.
The so-called Libyan government says, well,
it doesn't have enough money to do anything
with them.
It's kind of like an excuse for why they're
selling them into slavery.
Who then steps forward to say, "Well, we'll
provide sanctuary"?
None other than the U.S.-backed government
of Rwanda.
A government which under Paul Kagame, whose
made himself virtually president for life,
has been implicated by the United States as
being largely responsible for the death of
six million Congolese, and also there are
hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Rwandans
who are in exile.
They need sanctuary but because Kagame is
so tight with the United States government
and with the British and the French, it is
very difficult for Rwandan exiles to find
sanctuary in the West.
Here we have Rwanda, who is responsible largely
for the biggest genocide since World War II
now being ... trying to present itself as
a savior.
The connecting link between Libya and Rwanda
is of course, the United States, which backs
both governments and the connecting link of
course, is also the U.S. corporate media,
which does not report on the slaughter and
the persecution of people by these U.S.-backed
governments until most of them are dead.
EDDIE CONWAY: I was just thinking of another
link also between the two.
The French government, which played a real
serious role in the destruction of Gaddafi's
government and the destruction of Libya itself
as a country, falling right closely on the
heels of Obama's unleashing missiles in the
Air Force and so on.
That same French government is very close
with Rwanda and so it seems like they have
a partnership there.
The big bully from the U.S. and the little
bully from Europe, they seem to be working
together.
GLEN FORD: There used to be a competition
between the United States and the French,
but now it is a real collaboration because
the French can't even support their soldiers
and they've got many tens of thousands of
them in Africa without the logistical support
of the United States.
Only the United States has the airlift capacity
to bring in these French soldiers and to resupply
them, so yeah, there used to be a competition
but now there's a partnership and the junior
partner is, of course, the French, and they're
the ones out front like the little yapping
dog who make the most noise but the U.S. is
the big dog.
EDDIE CONWAY: Yeah, yeah.
We can see them in Mali, we can see them in
CAR, the Central African Republic.
They have actually recolonized with the help
of the United States air power.
They've actually recolonized a lot of Africa.
So I'm wondering what's ... All this apparently
happened under Obama's regime also?
GLEN FORD: Well yeah, this 2011 military assault
by the Obama regime against the Gaddafi government
was the beginning of a U.S. military offensive
that then carried itself into Syria and is
still going on, and that's the Obama offensive.
What Obama succeeded in doing is rescuing
the U.S. so-called muscular position in the
world that had fallen into ill repute with
George Bush's defeats in Iraq, but within
a couple of years, Barack Obama had that military
machine rolling again, and he began that role
in 2011 in Libya and the black folks of Libya
were the first to suffer.
EDDIE CONWAY: Mm-hmm.
There's some hint that Rwanda is actually
receiving a payment for each refugee that
it takes in the country and then they're staying
for a minimum amount of time and then Rwanda
is shipping them out.
Are you aware of that or have you heard anything
about that?
GLEN FORD: Well, we've heard lots of rumors
about that and they ring true in their essence
in that the Kagame regime is in that kind
of business.
It provides the UN peacekeeping forces and
African Union peacekeeping forces on the continent,
all of which are paid for the United States
and by Europe, with a steady stream of soldiers
because they get a per capita for all the
soldiers that they contribute.
Rwanda deals in a kind of human transaction
with its own soldiers as a standard business
operation, and it would be just like it of
course then to put a per person per diem ... A
per person value on every person that they
supposedly rescued from other U.S. allies
in Libya.
EDDIE CONWAY: Mm-hmm.
If I could go back for a minute to Libya,
it seems like the people that's in charge
of Libya now, at least one of the three government
operations there, is being headed by people
that had been on the U.S. terrorist's list,
had been imprisoned for years, and now they
are like a close ally of the United States
and the CIA.
Is that true?
GLEN FORD: Oh, the Jihadists that the United
States supported with the bombing campaign
were from Al Qaida affiliates, and one of
them who had been a prisoner of the CIA, which
then handed him over to Gaddafi and Gaddafi
under an amnesty then allowed him free, he
was listed by the United States as an Al Qaida
offshoot leader.
He became head of the Jihadists, that is the
U.S.-backed rebels' military government in
Tripoli.
This is an Al Qaida guy who is the military
governor of Tripoli and CNN and the United
States are were celebrating that in 2011.
But you know, there is a real political story
here about why the Jihadists are also racists
and why they were so dead set on getting rid
of Gaddafi.
Gaddafi came out of the old school of Arab
socialists who were inspired by Nasser in
Egypt, but later he also became an avowed
pan-Africanist and if you went to Libya during
his reign, you would see slogans, billboards
all over proclaiming not just the Arab nature
of Libya, but the African nature of Libya.
This was an assault to the Jihadists who opposed
Arab socialism as an identity.
They have an Islamic identity and they oppose
an African identity because they associate
that with black folks, so when they were fighting
Gaddafi, they singled out black Libyans, as
well as people from Chad and elsewhere in
Africa for persecution for lynching, for imprisonment,
because the whole idea of Libya being an Arab
and socialist and African country went against
the grain of their Islamist ideology.
There's a basis for their hate mongering.
EDDIE CONWAY: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
It seemed to me that the NATO and the U.S.
actually raised a bumming campaign to help
wipe out that black city?
GLEN FORD: Oh sure, their favorite militia
was the Misrata militia.
Misrata was the nearest beach city to Tripoli
with an active militia and they became the
front line, at least on the ground, for the
so-called rebellion.
Now of course, the rebellion would have gotten
nowhere without having an air force.
An air force made up of the United States
and Britain and France and other NATO members,
so the Misrata militia, which is the militia
that dismantled Tawergha, which is the militia
that put up signs all over the place talking
about their intention to get rid of the people
with dark skins and an Arab word for slaves.
Those were the closest allies on the front
lines with the United States and that's why
CNN was so deeply embedded in that particular
militia.
That's also why they didn't report back in
2011 when these slaughters were going on and
when the town of Tawergha was being destroyed.
CNN didn't say a word because it was in bed
with these people.
It took the Wall Street Journal that wasn't
so close on the ground with them to reveal
to Western audiences what was happening on
the ground.
EDDIE CONWAY: Okay, so thank you for that
update and we'll keep watching this.
GLEN FORD: Yes, we'll watch this as much as
they want us to see.
Keep watching what's happening of course,
with Rwanda.
There we have a dictator who represents a
small minority of Rwanda's population, the
Tutsi minority, couldn't be more than 10%
or 15% of the population that the United States
and all of its corporate media are singing
the praises of as if he is a Godsend to Africa
and a beacon of democracy.
How could that possibly be?
But that's the impression that folks like
CNN want to give to us.
EDDIE CONWAY: Okay, so thank you for joining
me.
GLEN FORD: Thank you.
EDDIE CONWAY: And thank you for joining the
Real News.
