- The day you've all
been waiting for is here,
the very first official
episode of Kibbe on Liberty.
I talk to Glenn Beck, we
talk about libertarianism.
I did some opposition
research, I called him out,
and there is a very strange analogy
about video stores and libertarian porn.
If you don't know what either
one of those things are,
you gotta watch this first
episode of Kibbe on Liberty.
(intense rock music)
We don't have to be real
close to these do we?
- [Matt] I'm told yes.
- Okay.
- How's that Logan?
Cool.
- Is sounds all right?
- [Logan] Yep, sounds good.
- So this is gonna be our new studio.
It's still half done but,
- It's great.
But the bricks are cool.
- It's great.
- And it's sort of inspired a little bit
by some of the history that's
probably in those bricks.
But I think this is cool
because you are now in the hot seat.
I've been on your show
like a thousand times
and I never know what you're gonna ask me
and I know there's some
sorta gotcha question coming
so now it's your turn.
- I'm in trouble aren't I?
- [Matt] You're in big trouble.
- All right.
- And I did all this opposition
research this morning.
- Yeah that's real hard.
It's called Google.
- Yeah (laughs).
They've ruined those jobs the way.
- I know.
- You used to make
a lot of money reading
yearbooks and stuff.
- I know.
- But I think it was 2009
you were doing an interview
on CBS and people are starting,
you know, mainstream media's
like who's this guy Glenn Beck?
and they're like what's
your political philosophy?
And you say sort hesitantly,
I think I'm a libertarian,
and you've gone through that.
- Only hesitant because libertarians
like to create the smallest tent possible.
It's usually just one
person and I'm a Libertarian
and no one else is libertarian enough,
and so I get a lot of heat because
I have been for bigger government
and military intervention
in years past, but the older I get,
the more libertarian I get, you know?
And I think
it is the thing that would save us
and pull us back together if
there wasn't a purity test,
but there's a purity
test now in everything,
- Yeah, yeah.
- you know?
You wanna be a democrat?
Are you for social justice?
Are you for abortion?
Then you can be in, if not you're out.
- Yeah.
Republicans, you for Trump?
You're not, you're out.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
- So I grew up in this
libertarian purity world
and my joke, which is not a joke at all,
is that libertarians
aren't normally comfortable
until they've chased every
other person out of the room.
- Yeah, right.
- And then your like John Galt
and you're standing on a mountain
and you're like finally I'm the guy,
but I think the opposite is true.
I think we argue about these ideas
and philosophy and it's very important
to have those arguments
but small L liberty,
cooperation and community
and people being free
to pursue their dreams and
take care of their families.
That's not just an American thing,
that's a human thing.
- It is.
- And I think that's
- That's our Bill of Rights.
- libertarianism to me.
- Yeah, I mean to me,
the solutions lie in the
smallest government possible
without anarchy, you know?
If you look at the
Articles of Confederation,
it was too close to anarchy.
So you just move it just out
of the arms reach of anarchy,
and that's liberty, that's
where you can stand.
'Cause now, I am free to
go pursue my happiness,
'cause I don't have to
worry about my neighbors
looting the house, or stealing
my stuff, or whatever.
- Right.
- So just right there,
and I think the only people that are
afraid of that, are the ones
that don't believe in people,
they don't believe that
people are genuinely good.
I think you have to be an optimist,
that people they want to be good.
They want the same basic thing, you know?
You go to the Palestinians,
you go to the Jews in Israel,
pretty much you get them
alone, cause I've done it,
they say the same thing.
I just want to raise my
family, I just want a good job.
- Yeah.
- I just want to go
on vacation, you know?
Everybody just leave me alone.
- Yeah.
- Just leave me alone.
- You know, the libertarians who are
on sort of the anarchist
wing of the movement,
they call themselves anarcho-capitalists
or ANCAPS because you definitely want
to use an acronym that nobody understands.
- Right.
Libertarians love to do that,
but a lot of that thinking
and I think a misunderstanding
even about anarchy,
a better understanding, it sort of comes
from the Scottish Enlightenment.
And not just Adam Smith and
The Theory of Moral Sentiments,
but Adam Ferguson, you
know, when he talked
about the wisdom of crowds and he's like,
no one's directing this
stuff and yet people,
left free, just sort of work it out,
and in that sense today,
everything you did today,
it's very libertarian
because no one told you anything.
Like, you know, people are
driving on this side of the road,
and people are doing all the
things they do every day,
and it's completely undirected.
And that to me, is the
essence of human cooperation.
- So here is the rub on that
with some libertarians and me,
'cause they hear certain words,
and they're buzz words,
and I understand it,
'cause I hear it from
the left I'm like okay,
and that doesn't necessarily
mean that's accurate.
- Right.
- You brought up The
Theory of Moral Sentiments.
That's the problem with
our free market right now.
We don't have moral sentiments.
Our moral sentiments are all
running towards vengeance,
and greed, and everything else.
So the secret is, how do you find,
and that's where I think our
founders were, they were,
it's strange because they
were I think deeply religious,
some of them deeply religious,
some of them I would
say because of the time
would consider themselves religious,
but we would call them more spiritual,
- Mmhm.
- you know what I mean?
But they all had this moral code,
you know, even Ben Franklin.
You look at what he did every night
when he went to bed, and
every morning when he got up.
He was working on a moral code.
Church used to give us a moral code.
Well we've chased Moses and Jesus out.
So who do we replace that?
Who has our society said,
that's our archetypal man?
We don't have one, and we have to,
I don't care who it is,
and we don't even have to
universally agree on it.
You want Gandhi, you want Buddha,
you want Steve down the
street, I don't care.
- Yeah.
- But we have to say these traits
are the traits that we look and say,
that is an archetypal figure
that we should strive to be.
- Yeah, so I'm more of
a Hayek-dork on this,
and I think Hayek talked
about the sort of spontaneous
evolution of the rules
that hold society together,
and when those are replaced or corrupted
with government mandates,
people start to shed the responsibility
of being a good person,
right?
- Right.
- Because if there isn't
someone that's saying,
I got that for you,
I'll take care of your neighbor in need,
then you can say well,
I'm paying my taxes,
why should I have a
responsibility to do that?
- I saw this in play in my own life.
I moved to New York City and
I grew up in a small town
and my dad was a business
owner on Main Street,
and you know, I come from a place
where if there was garbage,
you'd pick it up and throw
it in the garbage pan,
you know, garbage pail.
You know, on Main Street.
and I got to New York,
I was still kinda that guy in many ways,
and about a year and a
half, two years into it,
after paying so much in taxes
and being told every step of the way
what you can and cannot do,
I caught myself going into my
building and it was a wreck.
There was garbage from
the street everywhere,
and I said, when is this
city going to something?
And I stopped and I went,
I've got to get out of this city,
- Yeah.
- because they've told you,
you can't do it.
Then they've charged you all this money.
We're the authority, we're gonna do it,
and then all of the sudden you don't have
any responsibility to anything.
- Yeah, yeah.
- It's bad.
- Yeah and let's assume
these are all unintended consequences,
you know, the government, who's
gonna pick up the garbage?
Who's gonna pave the roads?
All of these arguments that we have
with people that believe
that government has
to do all of these things
otherwise it won't happen,
but let's take a radical step
'cause I know I was on your
show a couple weeks ago
and we were talking about border security
and we started talking about the drug war.
- Mmhm.
And most conservatives I know,
maybe all of them say drug abuse is bad,
governments gotta do something,
and the problem with that,
and the surprise consequences
of the government not doing something,
is that people behave better.
People make better decisions,
and both conservatives and liberals,
I think everybody has
that moment that you had,
why isn't the government doing something
about this garbage?
- Mmhm.
- It's just sort of a fall back
to your frustrated about something,
you see a problem, real or imagined,
and you're like, let's pass a law.
Let's get those guys to take care of it.
- Mmhm.
When it comes to the
drug war I used to be,
drug war doesn't work,
but the country is so irresponsible
that what would happen is,
until we can get to a
point to where people
could see somebody who is
shooting up heroin, and go,
hey, bud do you need help,
do you want get off that,
do you need anything?
And they say no, and then
I would just step over them
and go into my office,
and feel good about it,
until you could do that,
you would have a society
that would be on drugs,
'cause no personal responsibility,
and all the do-gooders saying,
we've got to do something,
look at these poor people.
No, you have to understand
everyone has a choice,
and you can help.
- Yeah.
- You can help,
and you should help, but
the government can't,
because what the government is doing
is going after the supply.
We want the drugs for a reason.
We want the drugs for a reason.
That's a human thing, I'm an alcoholic.
Nobody could've stopped me from drinking.
You could've taken all of the booze away,
I would've made my own.
Kitty Dukakis was drinking
hairspray for the love of God.
I mean you wanna get high,
you're gonna find a way to get high.
You wanna kill somebody,
you're gonna find a way to kill somebody.
That's you, that's you.
The drug war, we have
spent how much money?
It's only, I mean it created Al Capone
and made Chicago what
it was notorious for.
- Yeah.
It's doing the same thing.
If we legalize drugs,
and then, even if we spent
a fraction of that money
on rehab centers,
and being able to help people.
I don't even think that's
the government's job,
but okay I'll go there, compromise
with you, we'll go there.
I think communities and people.
No program is better
at rehab than Alcoholics
Anonymous, and there is no CEO.
There's no fundraiser.
We all bring our own doughnuts.
We all bring our own coffee.
We all find a place to meet and it works.
Why aren't we encouraging that?
- You know know of the problems
with selling a liberty based solution,
which really comes down to
people, and communities,
and families, and responsible choices,
are gonna work things out.
We don't know exactly how, but
it's gonna work itself out,
but on the drug war, you
mentioned this on the program,
that we don't have to just
theorize about what would happen
if you decriminalized all the drugs,
because they did it in Portugal.
- And it worked phenomenally well.
- [Matt] All the drugs.
- I mean yeah.
They had such a problem,
they kept spending more,
and more and more, population
was getting to critical status
where too many people were
just hooked on heroin,
and it was an epidemic,
worse than the opiod
crisis that we have now,
imagine that.
- Yeah.
- And they went the other way.
We keep spending money,
it keeps getting worse.
It's like education, we
keep spending more money
and it keeps getting worse,
maybe we should go the other direction.
So they stopped spending money,
they did put money into
helping people who wanted help,
and education for those people,
to get them back into the society,
and it's been a huge success,
at a fraction of the cost.
- Yeah they went from the worst in the EU
to the best by almost any measure.
Drug deaths almost disappeared.
Young people, use of any
drug amongst young people
went down, not up when
it was decriminalized.
And I wish we would learn this
because I look at the opiod crisis
and the government's response to it,
as exactly the wrong thing
to do if you're worried about
young people abusing opioids,
or anybody for that matter,
and it's hard to explain to people
because they wanna do something,
they gotta do something.
- Yeah I always get the strangest looks,
whenever there's a celebrity
that dies from an overdose.
I used to be the guy who they called
because I was freshly outed
as a recovering alcoholic,
questions, first question every time,
what could we have done?
And they hated the answer.
Nothing.
The person who killed that
person, is that person.
We all have different thresholds of pain.
My mother, she was addicted
to prescription drugs,
horribly out of control, alcoholic.
She died.
Her threshold for pain was lower
than the floor of death, so she died.
People die.
Nothing can be done to help somebody
who doesn't want the help.
- Yeah.
- We have to help the people
who want it and are trying.
- People have to make the choice,
and it's always gonna
come down to a choice.
And I think a lot of young people today,
you know, they live in this world
where they make a zillion choices a day.
- Mmhm.
- And in that sense,
they sort of live in this
radically libertarian,
'cause they make a lot
of responsible choices,
they don't even consider
it a burden to do that.
And it used to be that we had
all these top down institutions
that told us what think,
and what to do, and how to behave,
and now almost all of those
institutions are falling apart.
- Mmhm.
- They've been disrupted by technology.
My theory is that this generation,
Generation Z, Millennial generation,
that they are the real
libertarian generation.
- Yeah, they already live it.
- [Matt] They live that world.
- Yep, they live it, they live it,
and what's funny is the
companies that allowed them
to live it are becoming the oppressors.
- [Matt] Yeah.
- They're the new state.
- [Matt] The man, yeah.
- They're the new man.
When Google, YouTube, all these platforms,
platforms, that was
really an important word.
I'm a platform.
I'm just helping you connect
with the things you want to connect with,
when all of the sudden they say,
well no, I don't want you
connecting over there,
or I don't want you posting
that over here, you're no longer
a free platform.
- Right.
- And they are starting to merge.
I mean when you have Google,
and Facebook, and Apple,
being the biggest
spenders on Capitol Hill,
that's an oppressor.
- Yeah, yeah.
- That's an oppressor.
- I mean that's the life
cycle of a corporation.
- Yeah.
- You know, they start off
as disruptive innovators,
they don't the government to stop them
from doing these things.
- Correct.
- Silicon Valley's a
great example of this.
I think they were probably
far more liberty minded
back in the day, but now
they're the establishment,
and the establishment rent
seeks, and rent protects,
and finds a friend in
Washington and all that stuff.
- de Tocqueville talked about that
in Democracy for America.
- Yeah.
- You know this is
gonna work fine he said,
until somebody figures out
that it'll be better for them
to kick the door of liberty
closed behind them.
- Yeah
- That way they can
protect what they have.
Make sure nobody else climbs up.
I was talking to Ray Kurzweil,
you know who Ray Kurzweil is?
- Yeah, yeah.
- So I was talking to Ray Kurzweil
and he is such a brain
and yet I don't think he's
thought some things through.
- Right.
And I asked him, I said, so wait a minute,
let's just talk about
Google here for a second.
Google will know everything I'm doing.
Why would a company like Google
who has the algorithm to go,
oh, he's trying to create a new Google.
Why would Google help me
create a disruption for Google?
Why would these giant companies allow,
if they have all the
information they know,
and they could just steer your path
one way or another, success or failure.
- Right.
Why would they do that?
Why would they do that?
Well 'cause they just won't.
'Cause they're good people (laughs).
Have you read about people?
People when they have power,
- Yeah who was that guy
that said power corrupts?
- sometimes they go bad.
- Yeah.
- There was a guy.
- There was a guy, I
don't remember who it was,
there was a guy.
- But you know I think
people look at now Google,
and Facebook, and Microsoft before that,
and go back the history of corporations,
they go through this life cycle
where they're creating value
for their customers and they're making
people's lives better.
And all of the sudden they
become the big boy on the block.
And instead of worrying about
producing a better product,
they jet to Washington and
buy a committee chairman,
- [Glenn] Mmhm.
and I think a lot of young people
when they think about capitalism,
I don't like to even use
the world capitalism,
but when they think about
the free market system,
they think about that cronyism.
- [Glenn] Mmhm
- And so they're everywhere today.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
is telling young people,
you gotta choose, there's
this corrupt system.
And she talks about it
in her original videos,
like you know the guy that she took out,
the Democrat that she beat,
he was in bed with Wall Street,
and he helped engineer
the Wall Street bailout
and that's not right. I agree with her.
- I do too.
- A thousand percent.
But of course the false
choice that she offers
is that's why we have to be socialists,
because if you don't like
that, you gotta be this.
- So you can have no police.
I mean think about this,
what you're saying is,
I don't like the way
the insurance companies are
denying people health care
when they get into a hospital,
so I'm gonna make the government
the provider of the insurance.
Well, when I have a
private insurance company,
they hate negative publicity.
- [Matt] Yeah.
- I can Facebook, I can create a campaign,
I can get on television,
radio, social media,
whatever I have to do and embarrass them
and I guarantee you, we just had a guy,
who a hospital had his tube pulled,
his feeding tube, and
his hydration tube pulled
after being in a coma for two weeks,
they said, ah he's not gonna
make it, they pulled it, okay?
A friend of mine calls me up and says,
do you know this is happening?
I said no, he gets onto a plane,
goes and meets with the parents
and said what is happening?
They said, we don't know we've
been trying for two weeks
to get him back on.
So now I think 18 days
he hasn't food or water,
he's about ready to die.
I get on the radio with the mom,
all of the sudden within
an hour and a half,
lo and behold he has his
feeding and water back.
- Boom.
- The government doesn't care.
- Yeah.
- When the government is
in charge, who do you call?
They're not embarrassed by anything.
They don't care.
- And that's sort of the achilles heel
of modern populous progressivism,
Democratic Socialism.
You go look at a Bernie Sanders speech
on a very superficial level,
it feels a little bit like Ron Paul.
He's railing against the Federal Reserve,
he's railing against crony capitalism,
permanent war, mass incarceration,
of course those all
stories about government
with too much power.
- Yes.
And so this is why I'm optimistic
about this program
because I think we also,
former Tea Partiers, libertarians,
constitutional conservatives,
we spend a lot of time
raging against the machine.
We don't like government corruption,
and we don't like, big
government does stupid
and sometimes horrible things.
But that second half of the story,
we have a better story.
I don't think we tell it very well.
But that story about
cooperation, and bottom up,
and the things that people
could do to help each other
and solve problems, left alone to do that,
the Democratic Socialists
have that narrative now,
and it's a complete disconnect.
It doesn't make any sense
with what they're proposing,
but the vision of sort of localism,
getting back to communities,
that's our story.
It's not their story.
- It isn't,
it can't be their story.
I lived through their
story, it made me say,
when is the city going to do something.
New York is not communitarian,
Los Angeles is not communitarian.
I mean, I read Michael Lerner's book,
I actually like his work.
I agree with the feeling of his book.
- Yeah.
- I can't remember which one it was,
but it was on
communitarianism that I read,
15 years ago, maybe 20 years ago.
And it's, it's right.
Until it's imposed on you.
- Right.
- It can't, we are
supposed to be the place
that doesn't impose things on people.
Look man, you want to live in the woods
and eat squirrels your
whole life, and you know,
drink juice from berries
that you squeeze yourself?
And you think bears are God?
Go for it dude, have a good time.
I don't care.
That's our country.
- I did that for a couple
of years.
- Yeah, I know (laughs).
That's our country though.
- Yeah.
- We were the crazy ones,
we were the ones who
everybody over in Europe went,
oh, this guy's driving me out of my mind.
It's not gonna work, or
it doesn't work that way,
or you can't do that,
or you're not in this
class to be able to do it.
So we got onto a boat, or
an airplane, or whatever,
and we came here.
Now all of the sudden, we want
to take all the crazy guys?
The crazy guys are the
ones who built everything.
- Yeah.
- From the railroads to Apple,
they were crazy.
We should celebrate that,
and we should make sure
that even though we think
they're nuts, you know what?
That's what everybody thought,
and in the end he was, but that's what
everybody thought about Tesla.
- Right.
- I'm glad he was nuts.
- Yeah.
Yeah, innovators are unique
and interesting people,
and you gotta let 'em be themselves.
Perfect segue into
- And they have to fail.
- And they have to fail.
- They have to fail.
- And the American system,
the freedom system,
is sort of embracing failure
as a model to figure stuff out.
If you can't fail,
you can't succeed.
- It should celebrate.
- Yeah.
- It celebrates.
I mean, the Statue of Liberty,
I'm so sick of the Statue
of Liberty being twisted,
the story of it.
The Statue of Liberty is facing out,
it's not facing into the country.
It's facing out, and it's
standing as a guardian,
saying hey, all of you crazy people,
all of you that have been
told you can't do it,
come on over here, and then get behind me.
- [Matt] Yeah.
- You, all those people who have been
keeping all those people down, back off!
I'm just gonna guarantee
that people like you,
are not gonna mess with
these people any more,
and you watch what they create.
That's the Statue of Liberty.
- Yeah.
We've lost, or we're losing,
I don't think we've lost it,
but we're losing that sense of
what it means to be an American.
And I've been obsessed with a speech
that Senator Mike Lee gave last November.
And there was nothing
particularly new and innovative
about it, except it was so profound.
And it was about Federalism.
- He's good.
- And it was about
the way the American design
was built to accommodate
all sorts of diversity, an
insane amount of diversity.
So much diversity on where you
were from, and your religion,
and what you wanted to do
in your local communities.
It was impossible to
hold that all together
because it wasn't a tribe, right?
It wasn't a tribe in the sense
that you would see in
Europe or anywhere else.
And it was that tolerant,
Federalist approach,
where the government didn't
tell people what to do.
- Mmhm.
- And there were
just a couple rules.
- Mmhm.
- Don't hurt people and
don't take their stuff.
- Yeah, there's a good book,
I don't know who wrote it,
but anyway, go ahead.
- I'm gonna read it
someday, I hear it's good.
- [Glenn] (laughs) More
people should read it.
- But this is the only path
forward, like you know,
just tribal warfare,
and he goes on to argue
that if we keep doing what we're doing,
where the only thing that matters to us
is who's in charge of the government,
and that person has a blank
check executive power,
we're at war.
- Yeah.
- And that can't stand,
but the alternative, that
positive story that we have,
about cooperation and community,
and being free to be a weirdo.
All that stuff is the same
thing, we gotta sell that,
and I think that generation
we're talking about,
the liberty curious
generation of young people
that are living in this
radically libertarian
choice based world, that's the project,
that's who we have to sell.
- May I make a plea to, you know,
people like you and the
accepted libertarian?
- Mmhm.
- Stop driving people away.
They come into,
they're like,
- Yeah.
- they stumble into your store
and you've got all this liberty stuff,
and they came in 'cause they're like,
phew, have you been outside the store?
It's crazy what's going on out there.
This place looked kind of cool.
And what do you say?
You know what, you were out
on that street too long,
get the hell outta my
store, and they're like,
wait, but I might buy something.
Stop driving people away.
- Yeah, yeah.
- Welcome them, you know?
They might have very
spotty pasts or whatever,
welcome them.
Dude, thanks for coming in,
can I get you something?
Hey, where have you been?
What have you been doing?
And then you'll find that
you'll keep walking them back
until you got 'em back to
that libertarian curtain,
where there's the
libertarian porn in the back.
All of the sudden, they'll be watching
all of the libertarian porn with you.
Just get 'em into the store.
- I think we're at that moment,
and I watch all the warfare that goes on,
and the various factions
of libertarianism,
but sometimes I'll use all the labels.
Libertarian, classical liberal,
constitutional conservative,
- Mmhm.
- I consider all of those things
essentially the same thing.
- [Glenn] Me too.
- And that's the community
we need to connect,
and I think there's a lot,
there are still a few remaining
civil libertarians on the left
who are sort of hungry for
that world where you can
actually speak your mind.
It's a radical concept.
- Matt, I have to tell you,
I read, this was probably 1995,
and I read, oh shoot what's his name?
Philosopher, came up with the stars
are a collection of suns, you'd know him.
Anyway, from The
Enlightenment, and he said,
there are many things that I believe
that I shall never say,
but I shall never say
the things in which I do not believe.
And I remember pondering
that, I memorized it,
because I pondered it for so long.
And what I pondered
was, what kind of world
were you living in where you were afraid
to say the things that you believe?
- Yeah.
- I couldn't relate to that.
Now I think many Americans
are coming to the recognition,
holy crap, like this one.
Like that's what it was like,
what it's like right now,
and if you, if you
haven't felt it, you will.
I mean, every single group
is purging themselves
of anybody who's in the middle going,
wait, can't we just
leave each other alone?
How about that?
You know, democrats, republicans,
libertarians, everyone.
And it's creating this, this middle,
that is not necessarily
milk, toast, middle,
philosophically, you know what I mean?
- Right.
- They just believe,
can't we just all get along?
- Yeah.
Yeah I struggle with this
because it's not really the middle
because I don't accept this
- Yeah I agree.
- this left, right spectrum.
And we've talked about this before.
But they're outside looking at Crazy Town
here in Washington D.C., and it's like,
I know I'm not part of that,
but I don't know where I belong.
- It's a race against time.
I mean, with AI, AGI,
and ASI on the horizon,
and 5G, with what China,
you know China's building
a new silk road of
information with a 5G network.
When those things come to be,
China is 1984, George Orwell.
- Yeah.
- And we are Brave New World.
- Yeah.
- And once those things hit,
if we haven't decided leave people alone,
those doors are gonna
close, and they will close,
usually the cycle is 70 years.
- Yeah.
- I don't know when you
get out of that cycle.
- So my cyber libertarian guru guy,
John Perry Barlow,
he was the lyricist for the Grateful Dead,
but he started the Electronic
Frontier Foundation.
And he's given some of the
most interesting Ted Talks
about this clash. You've got technology.
It's a great liberator, you
can go find out for yourself,
but it's also this,
- Prison.
- deadly weapon,
for totalitarian governments
to use against us.
I tend to be a romantic about that,
but I'm aware of the challenge,
and I'm desperately hoping
for blockchain solutions
that free us again.
But regardless of the technology,
we're gonna have to do it.
- We have to be
- That's the project.
- We have to free ourselves,
we have to be willing
to free ourselves from the narcotic,
it's almost a narcotic of technology now,
of the ease of our life.
And keep it into perspective and control.
Because we are, we're now, I
think you can make the case,
we live, all of us, in a panopticon,
and that was deemed cruel
and unusual punishment,
but I think that's where
we're, if we're not there yet,
we certainly will be soon.
- Yeah.
Well, my modest little
goal for this program,
is to break out of that thinking,
that system, that thinking,
and challenge people
who aren't part of whatever
this tribe is that we are,
to think about ideas differently.
I'm romantic about it, I think
that the kind of revolution,
sort of the anti-Facebook revolution,
is young people curating
longer form conversation,
listening, not got you,
intellectually challenging things.
And that's why we set this thing up,
this is not designed for true believers,
it's designed for people
outside of our bubble.
And we'll see,
we'll see how it goes.
- I've been trying to do the same thing,
harder for me to do, you know,
on talk radio, and everything else,
but I've had real lefties
who are classical liberals.
- Yeah.
- I mean, they disagree
with me on almost everything,
but the classical liberal.
And we have found great conversations,
and great friendships.
Because as long as you're
not trying to control me,
or silence me, and I'm
not trying to silence you,
it's great, it's great, and it's amazing.
I found this, because I love going
to different people's faiths,
and see how people worship,
and I always get in trouble,
because whoever's house of
worship, I was over in Bangkok,
and I had a Buddhist monk.
And I got down with the Buddhist monk,
and he showed me how to
pray, and how they pray.
I love that stuff, although
that picture came out,
no good God, the whole, you know.
But everybody's like that.
But if you stop, and you
actually listen to each other,
you actually go to a Jewish synagogue,
you go and you speak to a Buddhist monk,
and you go to a Catholic
church and a Mormon church,
and you really listen, you
all of the sudden realize,
wow, 90% of what they're
saying I agree with, you know?
The spirit of it, it's just the trappings,
the framework, the dogma,
that I don't agree with.
And most of the people in that faith,
they're also like yeah, I can't,
I don't really buy into
all that stuff either.
It's the core, and it's
the same with people
on the left and the right,
as long as you're not
talking big government.
If you're a classic
libertarian, but you think that,
you know, whatever on the left
and whatever on the right,
there's this 90%, that if you
really listen to each other,
you're like, yeah, that's
exactly how I feel.
Wow, I thought it was only us.
No, we're all trying to get
to the same place, most of us.
- That sounds like a great
place to wrap this up,
consider yourself having just helped me
start the next revolution.
- Thank you, thank you.
- Thanks Glenn.
- You have done great work Matt,
and a lot of people count on you
to teach, and to help us survive,
'cause it's gonna take
people like you to do it,
'cause people like me can't.
- By the way, BlazeTV, it is so cool
to be back working with you.
We have a history, that maybe
we'll talk about someday.
- And you know, on the BlazeTV,
I know we have to wrap it up but,
my goal for that,
and I don't run the show, as you know.
But my goal on that,
is that it has people,
who disagree with each other
but they don't hate each other
and they don't tear each other apart.
We just agree on a few principles.
Hey, Bill of Rights. Are you good with that?
Yup. Good. I'm in.
And we can disagree on everything else.
Bill of Rights. Can we start there?
- Well even I pass the test
so it must be an easy test.
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
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