Well let's put it this way.  Let me put it
in terms of this year's election [2016].OK? Just
because we can see clear neuroses of
the American populace, right now. OK? Which
is two sides. "Too much of the animal
distorts the civilized man; too much
civilization makes sick animals." We
have some one side of the electoral
process this year that is heavily on the
civilization side, and we have one side
that's on the animal side. Donald Trump
has come out in various speeches and he
says very outrageous things, and people
say,  "How can it get away with that?"
What he's doing is getting through
to our Unconscious, because all of us
were put down by our principal or
teacher or somebody during our growing
up time. We all have an experience of
resentment. Please if you're a
psychologist, you know more about this
than me speak up.  OK?  But this is my
interpretation of it. I'm a layman. We all have these things
that got repressed when we were growing
up and learning how to be human beings.
They get repressed and they get
pushed down into our Unconscious. They
don't go away. Basically, what
Donald Trump has been doing is saying
outrageous things and getting away with
it.  And so the Unconscious of a lot of
people is coming up and it's saying, "Yeah!"
 I mean you're seeing that; you see
that at a lot of his rallies actually. People are saying, "Yeah!"
He to me he represents the
Unconscious side of of the Psyche. If
he is elected, then we're going to
have a lot more acting out in this
country over the next four years at
least. I'm not saying that's necessarily
a bad thing, but it's nonetheless going
to happen.  I didn't bring my _Red
Book_ this week, but recall last week when
we were reading, I read the part about
Satan being held in abeyance for  a thousand years by
Christianity. Fundamentally, in terms of
Europe and World War I, and
Revelation and the Bible actually says
this. That Satan will be kept away for
thousand years, and then you'll have to
let him out for a season. It's actually
predicted in Revelation. What Dr.
Jung said in _The Red Book_ was, "You
turned him into a fairy tale."  Satan
into a fairy tale, but "when the ugly
great one raises his head, everybody,
coldness draws near." I think is the way
to put it, something like that, and so our
civilization is a venir, a thin
veneer. We are, we actually build it up
and have built it up over thousands of
years in every part of the world. If
we tear it down and disrespect it, then
it's going to be torn down. It happened
in Germany, and it can happen here.
It's almost literally
unstoppable if it doesn't get stopped.
And that's what they found in
Germany, because one of the issues that
Jung talks about a lot is herd
mentality. And he talks about the idea
that "A hundred brilliant minds
in room make one fat head." That's what he
said, and the reason is because if you
get two people in the room, or we have
nine people in the room tonight, and
everybody listens to what Skip says, and
they say, "Uh huh uh huh," and no one
else speaks up, then next week I can say
whatever I want, and you'll just say, "Uh
huh uh huh," and more people, will come and bigger, a bigger group will be here, and
pretty soon I have a herd that I'm
leading, but nobody is challenging me. And
Dr. Jung was very adamant that it is the
individual that saves society. It's not a
group; it cannot be a group. But his
point in this first meme is that it's a
balance, because if you have too
much civilization you have sick animals.
That's what he said; is the way to put it.
Too much civilization, if we,
you know, beat up our kids so that
they're the perfect little cherubs,
they may be perfect little cherubs
through their school years, but once they
get out from under your thumb, they might
might be psychopaths. They could be,
because their Unconscious
is working against them. So what do
we have here in the election? We have this civilization versus
instinctually that's coming up, and it's
being put together in
Jung would call it an alchemical vas--
namely the American election in November.
We're going to see what the result
is. That's what alchemy
was really all about. Up until now
the Meaning of America has been that we
can all be different, and yet we can all
work together. You know, I served in the
Marine Corps, and so, you know, I never
thought about the politics of my fellow
Marines. I mean I was trained.  I was
serving the Warrior Archetype at that
time. I never thought about the
politics of my fellow Marines--never!
I'm convinced that every Veteran
knows what it means; knows why they were
there, and would be there. If
I could find a politician who had any
military experience, I feel sure that if
we came to crisis, he and I could serve
in the same trench together. Regardless
of his political position! In
psychology; in Jungian Psychology
this is called a "rebis." You use this term
"Rebis" in your practice? Do you use it? No.
Do you? No! What it is what I'm talking
about "Rebis," is something that goes back
to Heraclitus, and it relates to
it relates to every relationship we have,
including here we have a relation some
sort of relationship from last week, and
an over time that will change and build
and this class will change and build
over time, and it happens in marriages.
Billy Joel had it, had a song
that was really about the breakup of his
marriage with Christy Brinkley, but
he said, "And so it goes, and so it goes,
and you're the only one who knows." 
So the four of us, five of us that were
here last week, we're the only ones that know what happened last week. And what
the interaction was in the group. And 
it happens in every group. I'm a
Marine, and I couldn't possibly describe
what it's like to be a Marine. It's a
unique thing! And my fellow Marines are
the only ones that know.  I could
describe it to you till I'm blue in the
face, but you would never grok it. It's
true in marriages, it's true and
everything. It's true in personal
relationships. Right! And so 
there's always opposites working,
at work. For example, in a marriage, my
favorite joke between my wife and I is,
"If a man is in the woods and he says
something, but no woman hears him, is he
still wrong?"  Yes he is! [Inaudible]
[Voice]  ... might challenge that,
because he talks about whether or not
it's experienced.  If it isn't experienced,
it's irrelevant...
I wanted to get back to his comment, because that's really
the million-dollar question. You
know how and he worked ... he and Adler and
Freud were buddies, before he got pissed off....  and it was said that the
hysterics and Unconscious people with
Freud and Jung liked to take the really ...
where people who are conscious ... You know, "Tell me something."   Interested in becoming conscious and
then they said [inaudible] his
group,  he used to meet with people and
his goal he said
was to become conscious.  "Our goal is to
become conscious of who we are." [Inaudible]
... and he was big on the super conscious the
super-ego, sort of rules that we grow up
with and we learn. So we're kind of
consciously developing how do we behave; what do you do? The unconscious comes in
whenever we have any reaction to
anything; any strong reaction that's
telling us or even upsets us. Or
emotion,
but just whatever emotion, well yeah and
I'm glad you brought up polarities,
because he's big on polarities, because
although we would say that this
political arena has brought up an
extreme polarity, we're going to also see
another fold; we're seeing a lot of
people look at examine, and even people who
normally know who they're
going to pick by now; we don't know who
they're going to ... I mean we're getting all
kinds of things we've never come across
before, and positive sense too. You
can't have ... So what we have is we're
coming into consciousness in this
election process about what we are
as Americans.  As a in general
and in November we're going to find out
what we are, and that's going to be the
new thing, the third thing. So there's a
as a conscious aspect that we already
thought we knew two years ago. There's an
unconscious aspect that all of us have
been surprised with one way or another.
And both sides, I'm not saying it's 
one side or the other; both sides, but
there's new consciousness coming up, but
it's still in this opposite thing of R[epublican] and D[emocrat].
And so, in November we're going to
learn what it means to be American again.
Will that be a good thing? I don't
know!  I mean it it could be that the
election of Donald Trump will cause so
much roiling in the system that it will
actually be a good thing. I couldn't say.
I'm not going to vote for him, but I ... you
know, but it could be that it would be.
... the answer to that is wholeness.
Dr. Jung was talking about the
two sides, think of it as a circle, and
here you have the unconscious, and here
you have the conscious, and if you don't
have both sides integrated you're not
yet whole as an individual. And so what
One thing Dr. Jung used to say
is, "Bring me a normal man
and I will fix him for you." Now what
he meant by that was a normalized man ...
the kind of man who's had
things repressed and resents it. Or
woman too! I mean women have had plenty of things repressed and resent it.
I mean this is my interpretation. It's
based on long experience. I mean I
don't claim to be a ... [Voice]  But if it's a
bad repressed thing, like Freud was
saying to murder the father and marry the Mother sort of thing ... to recognize that
is apparently beneficial ... by bringing
into our conscious, but obviously we
can't act on it well that it. That is
what that is a point.  Then it
comes down to morality, right? [Voice] Well that's actually really it's a really good
therapy issue; comes up actually pretty
frequently." yeah "And that is that when
people respond unconsciously to whatever
stress they've been presented with, it
really is the result of responding
unconsciously. It's not usually a very
healthy or positive response. 
Ignoring that though, and just responding
cognitively, and doing the
moral thing or the right thing or
whatever, is to ignore whatever the
repressed feeling's about. So it's very
helpful to open up that repressed
feeling, and talk about ... well, you know perhaps
what happened? Or where you are with that? And begin to work toward what is our
response that takes care of
whatever's been repressed. What is a good
match for who you are today. Exactly.  I
don't think it is a polarity between
conscious and unconscious, or the
conscious and the Shadow.
It is sort of nested in the other.
The Shadow and the Ego
might be a polarity of sorts, but the
idea of putting consciousness on the
Unconscious as a polarity wouldn't
work. And then you've got the Collective
Unconscious under that. So I think you're
looking more at a nesting structure,
rather than a polari, until you get up
and look at consciousness itself. And
then, because you're dealing with with
language and other things that have
these, you know kind of differential play,
signifiers, and that sort of thing
it's a structural thing that
reflects that polarity and builds it
out, you know. Both Joseph
Campbell and Carl Jung did draw a
picture of what you're talking about, and
I'll see if i can find one to bring in
next week. My answer is not
a definitive answer. I don't claim to
have a definitive answer nor did Jung
ever, really.  [Voice] I don't know who would.
Right! And because Dr. Jung said, you know, "The Unconscious is really unconscious."
And we don't know a lot of what's in it.
[Voice] Dreaming.  Well it's one way to
get through to it, but you really
don't know where it's going. [Voice]  I just had
just a symbol, up in my head,  like if
you think of an ocean that is completely
dark, and your consciousness is like a
little bean just shining out a little
piece of that ocean, a bit at a time, and your attention might be shifting all over the place and
it might be connected in some way, 
because you don't know how big that
ocean is exactly, you're only conscious of 
a little bit at a time, and so it's
connected to everything else. So you
heard enough of the Unconscious that
you start to understand everything that comes up really.  You understand, "Oh now I understand what ...
how that's connected or why that's repressed ... [Female Voice]  I think it's about understanding;
it's not like the shadows, they maybe
have a negative connotation, but if you
understand that those are
your shadows. and you understand that
they might drive your behavior and how
you feel about things, that's when you
become more whole and it helps
you to know those shadows and what will
come up.   And then work with them. It's
like, "Okay, I see it. I don't like it. I'm
going to you know pay attention to work
with that. So I think that's the point of
bringing up the shadows. But it's
not necessarily a bad thing. And the
distinction that ultimately started to
emerge between Freud and Jung was that
Freud wanted to make a dogma of
sexuality being libido, and what Jung
says is that libido is really psychic
energy, which is where Harding finally
went with it 30 years later; and 
actually wrote the book called _Psychic Energy_
[Voice] Esther Harding?  Esther Harding, yes ... I think you're
struggling with the issue of morality. And we have, let's take in
Christianity there's the Ten
Commandments. Thou shalt not do this; thou
shalt not do that... Those
are good as far as they go but in terms
of what what Harding is talking about
the development of the Psyche, and the
transformation of the Psyche toward
maturity, those fall into the first phase
in Buddhism--the man
little intellect, which is all karma.
You do something bad, you're going
to get punished type thing,  but
we're not going to get very far as a
society if we're always relying only one
on cause and effect. We have to be
smarter than that. It's very
interesting passage in movie called "13
Days," which is about the "Cuban Missile
Crisis," and President Kennedy has
been an argument with the Joint Chiefs
of Staff about what to do. He says,
"Well I'm not really worried about
consequence ... the first consequence or
even the second or the third. I'm worried
about the sixth consequence and whether
there's going to be anyone here to even
make a decision. That was his point.
And so something happens like the
Cuban Missile Crisis, yes it's going to
cause an effect; it has a cause and it's
going to have an effect, but then but
you know, the the generals want to you
know are always a little trigger-happy,
because they have these toys and
they always want to use them.  I'll
tell you an anecdote: In 1962, I was 15
years old, and I moved to Japan. My father
took me down on the pier in Yokosuka, the
Headquarters of the 7th Fleet one
time, and showed me a line of ships going
out of Tokyo Bay. He said, "You see
that Skip?"  I said, "Yeah Dad!" And he said,
"That's the Marines! They're going to
Vietnam.
Everybody that is; everybody in the
military has either been to Vietnam" (This
is 1962, now. We didn't officially go into
 Vietnam until '65.) But he says,
"Everybody in the military has either
been to Vietnam, is there now, or is going
there."  And I said, "What?" I said, "Why?" And he said, "Because the generals
need a war for their careers, and if
they don't have a war then people can't
make rank in the military." Dr. Jung
was talking a lot about how the bulwarks
that we put up to protect society...
civilization, had started to fall away.
He talked about this a lot in his
_Zarathustra Lectures_, because Nietzsche
made this statement right at the
beginning of _Thus Spake Zarathustra_, that
"God is dead!" Because at the end of
the 19th century the bulwarks that
were there, there were all these
Victorian-style men, who were going
around pretending they were
Paragons of the community, and then they
were going out the back with
prostitutes and whatever. I mean even Lord
Randolph Churchill; he caught syphilis on
on his ... on the night before his wedding.
That the institution of marriage doesn't
necessarily serve us.  I mean we can say, "Oh,
my God, you've got to stay in your
marriage, and you can never have a love
affair. And boy if you do you're out, but
then you're out and and then you
don't have marriage anymore. And so the
question is: Is that better? We have fifty
percent divorce rate in the United
States right now. And so would it be
better if we understood that we're
transforming psychologically throughout
our lifetime. We don't teach people how
they are going to transform.
And so that's what this meme is
about, that the first half of life is
devoted to forming a healthy Ego, and the
second half of life is going inward and
letting go of it. So all of Jung's oeuvre  ultimately points back to
Individuation, and it all points back to
Wholeness, which is what this is [Mandala on the cover of _Man and His Symbols_]. and so I
So I brought this along today, because I got
this at a used; at used on Amazon.
They don't have them new anymore, but
there are many booksellers out there
through Amazon that you can buy them
from, and so I was able to get myself one.
And you can see all the color plates
in here. And there's a lot more there's a
lot more color plates than in the black
and white version that's in this book. I
mean this version of it. The words are
the same but this is a lot more
meaningful so I'll pass this around [Hardbound copy of _Man and His Symbols_]. One thing I'm going to do is 
thing I'm going to do is I'm going to
I'm going to create a DropBox, for this class.
Here's my vision. This may not be your vision, and it may
not be everyone's vision. but Dr. Jung
talked about _Thus spake Zarathustra_ for
or five years, in eighty six
lectures. The book itself is like
200 pages long, but his lectures
are 1,600 pages, and they were
all transcribed. So I've come quite ... I
think that I've come fairly deeply into
Dr. Jung's work. People can
have different opinions of that, and
and so I'm 70 years old. I want to share
some of that I've been studying it for
30 years now independently by myself, and
you know I'm involved in various Jungian
groups, however I'm not officially a
union I don't claim to be a
psychotherapist, but what I do know is
that his work has helped me quite a lot.
And so I want to go through the various
books, and through some of the books
about his work, and that's
actually described on the MeetUp, and
and just see what we learn from one
another. I don't claim that I have
all the information; I mean we have
professional psychotherapists here so I
don't claim to be a psychotherapist, and
there's not going to be psychotherapy
conducted during this MeetUp ever.  [Voice] At least not consciously. No not ...
I mean obviously whenever
there's a conversation between two human
beings there's some sort of
therapy going on, and we can't change
that.  But I want the
psychotherapists in the room to speak up
if you think we're doing anything wrong
here, because I don't propose to ...
conduct psychotherapy here. I mean
if people see a psychotherapist here,
and want to speak to that person, I'm all
for it. Either before or after the class
that's great. What I believe is that
if we talk about the various ...  I mean this ...
there's more than 20 volumes in his
_Collected Works_, and they're incredibly
dense in terms of the content. I'll bring
his letter to Dorothy Thompson next week
as a handout, and you'll see the just
that one letter, four pages, we probably
could talk about it for months. So what he did
through the through the 30s in 86
lectures was he really talked about his
fundamental thinking of psychology, 
and again circumambulating the center
and those lectures were all for his
closest followers. They were all
psychotherapists in that group, and there
were about 25 of them. They met once a
week for that ... well they actually did it
for about three decades, but the
Zarathustra part of it was five years.
And so that's what I'm proposing to
do. I mean I was originally thinking of
doing it as a lecture, but then I have a
psychotherapist friend in South Africa
who said that she's been in a Jung
Reading Group for 15 years, and they've
been meeting regularly for 15 years, and
she said it at the maximum they had
eight people, four whom her therapists, and
at the minimum there's been four, but I
think when she started 15 years ago she
didn't have MeetUp. so God knows what
this could turn into. We've had eight
each week, but we have four new people
tonight, so you know I just don't know
what it will be--whether, you know, you've
come a second time, so that's
encouraging. So first we're going to plow
through this sucker [_Man and His Symbols_], which is the first
level, the highest level of understanding,
or the lowest level of understanding. And
then I propose next, but we can vote on it, 
and I don't mind voting about what we
talk about next, but I think we ought
to do _Memories, Dreams, Reflections_, which
is his pseudo autobiography, because it has a
bunch of profound things in it. I've
gotten it on Audible.com and the
reading of it is terrific, honestly
terrific. I've been reading it for like a
third time last week, and I highly recommend it. [Female Voice] Why do you call this a pseudo-autobiography?
Well because he he did not believe in
biography, per se. He didn't want to have
a biography of the history of his life,
What he wanted was a biography of
the transformation of his own Psyche, that's what he wanted in his
biography. And so you know one of the
very early things you know his Father
was a ... in fact I almost am regretting
that we didn't start with that, but I
mean this does have some fundamental
things that we sort of have to get
through. But one of the very early
things is that his Father was a Pastor, a
Reformed  .... a Swiss Reformed Pastor, and he had lost his Faith.  And when he was 11
years old he had a thought that he knew
was coming, but he didn't want it to come
it's like, you know, I'm going to force
this down; I don't want this to come up.
And suddenly the suddenly he had a
vision, and the vision was of a
colossally sized God shitting on the
Basel Cathedral. Okay? [Female Voice] This was Jung who had that? Jung
himself, when he was 11 years old, had
this vision of God squatting over the
Basel Cathedral, and dropping a turd on
it. Okay? Literally...  that was that was one
of his or early visions.  And
I don't really want to get into it too
much beyond that right now. Okay? One
of the things I'm trying to avoid doing
right now; I'm trying to avoid
getting into the religious aspects of
Jungian work. Okay? And he was
definitely into spirituality. He was
not; he's often accused of mysticism
so-called mysticism, and in fact there's
a book you can buy it Barnes & Noble
called _Jung the Mystic_. Okay? Well that
was... that's a psychotherapist who wants to
sell books. Right? _Jung the Mystic_, Okay, but what does that mean? But Jung was not a
mystic. He was an empiricist, and he
said what people don't understand
is I believe the Psyche is real. Do you
believe the Psyche is real? Of course you
do. You couldn't do your work without
believing that, and so he
believed that it was real, and you know,
so when he ... I mean for me, I felt like
a great weight had been taken off my
shoulders when I was reading _Answer to
Job, and I got to ¶752 ,and in
the middle of that paragraph, that's
quite a dense paragraph, but in the
middle of it he said, "Every religious
statement of whatever kind is a
statement of the Psyche, and not a
statement of the Physis," which, and he
said, 
"If it were not so, they would be in
the books of natural the ... natural history
and text books about biology, and
whatever.  But they're not there; they're
psychic facts; they are not physical
facts.  And every religious statement is
like that! All of a
sudden I just ...  a light bulb went out or on ... and it's not about
it's not about looking for God, you know
we have the Hubble telescope. We can look
all the way back to the Big Bang now. And
we can look down to the smallest
particle, "The God Particle."  God wasn't
there, right? And so atheists are
right about that! In the physical world
these things are not there. But God is
within people, some people. I mean, you know,  name your flavor and
whatever, but it says that religion, I
mean things like "virgin birth," Okay? Yeah
there's no virgin that had a baby, but on
the other hand in the physical world and
you know that's one of the things that
atheists all haha about, but in the Psyche
it can happen. Okay? And I next week I
have to bring my poem, but anyway ... so it
is, so he wrote a lot about this, and it's
a mystery. I mean think of the movie
"Shakespeare in Love." So in "Shakespeare
in Love," Shakespeare's walking along and
he's got Geoffrey Rush next to him, and
and he says, "Boy, I'm really worried that
the theater won't open on time!" 
Geoffrey Rush says, "Don't worry, it'll be
all right." And Shakespeare says, "How will
it?" And he says, "I don't know, its a mystery."
And the point is that we do have
mystery in life ,and we need it, and it's
in the Psyche. And that's what Jung
was addressing.  And it's
undeniable. I mean it's there. There's
mystery, and you know plays do come
together. They happen every time one is
scheduled,  the play goes on. Right!
So I'm ...  but I'm reluctant to get into
that until we build a stronger "Rebis" in
the group. 
The work ... none of us are threatened by it.
But ok we sort of didn't get into all
these things, but let me just talk
through these ... this list here. "Archetypes,"
I put a ... there's a Facebook page I
created called Jung for Laymen, and I
created that Facebook page and at first
I started to just do lectures at home,
and so I did three lectures. One of them
is on "Archetypes"; one is on "Individuation";
and one is on "Personality Types."
If you want to go look at those lectures
for what they're worth fine. I intended
to do it very informally, because my
whole purpose is to make Jung
approachable to average people ... so
they're not bouncing off. [Voice] Skip are all
these subjects in this book? _Man and His Symbols_? Because I
don't remember "psychic energy," but I
only read the Jung part of the
book.  I don't remember
"psychic energy," and psychic energy in
here is probably referred to as libido. [Voice] Oh!
Okay? And it was only when I got to 
Harding, which is this year, that I
realized that that's what they're
talking about, and that the opposites
represent the polarity that creates this
energy that causes things to happen.
[Voice] He talked about a gradient from the
... for psychic energy? [Voice] Yes. Okay, so his
favorite example was a waterfall, where
water ... The transformation takes place
it's a cycle. Water evaporates up into
the sky, it then rains down and comes
back down to the sea, and it gets in a
river and hits it's a precipice and it
comes down. And there's energy in that
whole process. There's energy on the way
down in the form of what happens with
gravity, and there's energy
going up in the sense of evaporation, and
  that never stops. Okay? That's
that's kind of an opposite, ok, there's
the energy of the heat of the Sun versus
the energy of gravity. And it renews
itself constantly, and so that's
ultimately, I think, what he was talking
about, and that's basically what [Esther] Harding
says in _Psychic Energy_. To me anyway. [Voice] Well that's sort of a metaphor. It is a  metaphor.
It's all a metaphor. [Voice] I think he's
talking about the circulation of Psychic
Energy,  which energizes all of
these structures he talks about. All of
these ... everything... manifest all these kinds of awareness or lack of awareness, but
it's the dynamic that runs the whole
machine. Right! I mean, the energy between
masculine and feminine, because more
energy in this room, because there's both
men and women in the room than there
would be, maybe, if it was all men or all
women. It would be different energy.
Something major! And there's
no limit to the number of Opposites
there are. Right? I mean we're only talking
about the very gross big ones, but so ... let
me just address Psychic ... "Collective
Unconscious" is what all of us know. 
We're all American. We know what it means
to be an American. Now if we have a
discussion about what it means to be an
American, there will be no necessary
agreement, per se. But if we were attacked....
Let's suppose there were an attack on
the United States, wouldn't we all fight
for what we have here. Of course we would ... at some level ... to the extent we have the ability.
And so there is ... it's going back to the
Billy Joel song, "You're the only one who
knows." And so the Collective
Unconscious is things we all know at
some level. And it drives us in it
it's a very complex idea, but Jung was
once asked, I think by Edward Edinger,
what his Myth was. Now one thing
that drives me crazy about Jungian 
Psychology is they always want to talk
about "myth," per se. Okay? I'd rather talk
about educational stories than "myth,"
because as soon as you say the word "myth'" it's not now, it's not about me. It's
it's a myth it's not real. That's what
people react to the word "myth." Okay? And
so when Jungians keep talking among
themselves, "mutual masturbation" about
myth, "Oh yeah, this is really cool!" Yeah, I
mean in Jungian Psychology, there's this
issue ... there's this issue of "Golly Gee"...
these are amazing things this guy talked
about! Yeah, they're really amazing things,
but really what was he driving at. That's
what I'm interested in. Okay? And so he
was asked by Edward Edinger what he
thought his "myth" was. And he said, "That's easy, that's the Collective Unconscious."
So he stated expressly to one of the
other famous Jungians that he felt his
myth was a Collective Unconscious. It's a
myth; it's a metaphor; it means
something that is inexpressible and yet
somehow by circumambulating the center
we can get to ... a generally agreed ... accept that ...
Whatever what he meant. Yes  [Voice] Maybe it was an anti-myth. Pardon? Your myth is an anti-myth. It will fight against ... 
gift is an ant even well it fight
Yeah! I mean I I certainly have a
myth and I understand everything that's
said about the mythological era.    I
know a lot of things about mythology
because of both him and Joseph Campbell,
but in terms of having helping laymen
understand what Jungian Psychology is
about, I don't think we're helped by
using the term "Myth." And I don't
think we're helped by using the term
"mythology." [Voice] An interesting thing I think about myth is that you can look back I
mean especially some of the guys it's
been so long, but there's some women who
studied mythology, because they wanted to
get back to a time that preceded the
Patriarch. But anyway you start
looking at mythology and you begin to
see it it changes over time. Right! The
story changes ... Exactly! ... and so if you look
at myth as sort of a map of that
psychic energy circulating through the
Machine ... Right! ... then you begin to see that there's changes in the way consciousness
emerges. Well, and that's absolutely right,
and this is what Eric Neumann says in _The
Origins and History of
Consciousness. This was his magnum
opus that he wrote during World War II,
and he presented to the Jung Institute
to be the first book that they published.
Well the Valkyries that were around
Jung said, "No! It can't be, because it's
600 pages long. We can't publish a book
that 600 pages long as the first thing
we publish!" And so they didn't, but it was
published very soon. It was published in
the first year by the Jung Institute,
and it came out in other places as
well. But exactly what he was saying,
which he's talking about the origins of
consciousness, and how humans came to be
awake and different from other creatures. And
so you're absolutely right! I'm not
saying that that is is wrong, or that we
can't learn things from mythology. We
certainly can! But in terms of getting
the average layman to spend more than 15
minutes talking to you about Jungian
Psychology..... okay so "synchronicity" is ... we'll take five more minutes.
Synchronicity is non-causal connecting
principle. It means that there wasn't a
cause and effect, but two things happened
at the same time. Who talked about a
synchronicity just tonight? It was Chad.  
And your synchronicity was?  It was I
was hearing Jung mention in several in
several podcasts right right when you're
coming to this class. Okay that that's
definitely a synchronicity. Once you're aware of it you know it happens
all the time. Exactly! Synchronicity, I
believe also relates to divination
techniques. Now a lot of people want
to believe that the divination is magic.
Woo wee woo, magic!  And Dr. Jung was about what you can prove, I mean he was he was an
empiricist. Now what I can prove, I'm
not gonna I'm not going to do it soon ok,
but what I can prove is that Tarot
actually works, ok, but it works for a
specific reason, and that is that the
Tarot is built on the Archetypes
basically. And I can talk you all through
that, and so I once made the
assertion, and I think it's true, that I
could go into a theater with a thousand
people and I could simply throw the
Tarot deck across the stage, and do a
Reading from that, and every person in
the room would think that I had done the
Reading for them. But why? The reason is because of
neuro-linguistic programming, one thing,
which is that if I say something about
mother, maybe mother means something to you to you to you and to you, but not to
the others, but that if I say something
about something else then it'll mean
something to the others, and so everyone
will hear a different Reading  ... is the
point. But everyone is what I say is
getting the furniture moved around in
their Psyche. And so, and that works in
all divination. It works in tea reading and
so on. Now some of these yeah or in art. [Voice] How does that work in finding water though? That isn't
that what you mean by divination? No, I
mean what is sure ...  and and there's
plenty of things going on in the ...  in the
world that we don't know about. For
example, I have tinnitus and I have
tinnitus in at least 12 frequencies that
I can identify. Now, the way I keep my
sanity, because of that tinnitus is
because I say that is my carrier wave of
the Collective Unconscious, and so you
know i can believe to myself, you know,
medicine doesn't know what tinnitus
is. I don't know where it comes from; how
its heard; why? Anything about it! But I
can keep my sanity, you know my my ear
nose and throat doctor says, "Well just
pretend it doesn't bother you."  I
mean that's it that's medicine right and
right and so for me it's it's my
connection to the Collective Unconscious,
whether it's true or not. I have no idea,
but it has meaning me. [Voice] What about
forces detecting a coming earthquake. Would that be a  form of divination?
Yeah sure! I mean, but that's really
happening, obviously, and it's not only
horses.  Have you seen,  "Welcome to Happiness?" The movie. Has anybody else seen it?  Oh terrific
movie! And it basically said is talking
about that, but I i would urge you to get
it on Netflix or On Demand.  OKm now next
week we are going to talk about "A
Dangerous Method." Okay? That's a
movie. Have you seen it Kathy? No. Okay
It's a movie about Jung, Freud and Sabina
Spielrein, in the period 1907 to 1913, and
so it's actually preliminary to the time
when Jung did all of his writing, but
there's a lot in there, and it's 
it's a contextual thing. Is it
easy to find? Yes, you can get it on
certainly on Amazon or from On Demand. I
think you can get it. I'm not sure you can
get it on On Demand, but you can
definitely get it from Netflix or Amazon.
