Nico Rosberg: Sadhguru, thank you so much.
Sadhguru: Namaskaram, thank you, Nico.
Nico Rosberg: ...taking your time to talk
to me here on my "Leaders4Good" series.
And of course, in this situation, you have
an incredible power to be able to help
people because as we know, in the world there's so
much more suffering at the moment due to this
Corona crisis and many other crisis, so it's
a terrible time. And how are you doing personally?
Sadhguru: Ah, actually I'm too busy, lot of
things happening.
One thing is, because we're in, you know,
a reasonably remote rural part of India,
lot of migrant laborers are stuck here without any work.
So we are providing food and other things for them.
We are also working with the state governments
in setting up quarantine hospitals and all this stuff.
Plus, we have nearly 3000 people here
living in the center.
So every day, I am on the web between
6:00 and 6:40.
Plus, we are on the television series and
various other interviews.
More than anything, giving out this message
that, well, you know, whe...
every generation faces some kind of situation,
at least we are not facing the third world war;
it's just the virus, we can deal with it. At least nobody
is bombing our homes or shooting at us.
If we are careful, if we are conscious, we
can come out of this stronger and better.
Above all, when is the last time, for many people, they
got nearly six weeks of break from what they're doing?
So this can be a tremendous time. If people use this as
a way to turn inward, upgrade themselves in some level,
if everybody strives to, let's say, physically, mentally,
emotionally, and in whatever they are doing,
in terms of their competence, ten percent improvement
if they do during this lockdown period,
well, we will all come out as really wonderful
human beings. That's what we must do.
Let us not allow a... a virus... I know it has its power,
but we shouldn't allow it to pull us down.
We are much more evolved creatures, we should
be able to come out on this, top of it very soon.
Nico Rosberg: That's really powerful to hear
from you that you're also spreading some optimism...
optimism and giving us all personal hope
as well.
And can I just... can I just ask you, do you
remember how we first met?
Sadhguru: Yes, I met you in Singapore (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: That was a one-way meeting though,
I didn’t meet you (Overlapping conversation).
Sadhguru: I wanted to see you... I wanted to see
you zooming, but you didn't start that day.
And I saw you jumping in front of that car
(Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: I was fighting for the World
Championship, and my car didn't get off the grid.
I was stuck on the grid being on the first
row.
Sadhguru: And I was... I was in the wrong paddock,
I was in the Ferrari paddock (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: Oh, how dare you do that (Sadhguru
laughs) how dare you had a great time.
Sadhguru: Because you guys didn't take me
(Laughs).
Well, the next time is in the Economic Forum,
in Davos, of course.
Nico Rosberg: Yeah, I was so honored that
I walked up to you in the World Economic Forum
and I thought, you know, you never going to
know who I am or anything and you said,
"Ah, you... I remember you, we met in Singapore"
(Sadhguru laughs), I was so honored
that you have watched me racing you know, that
was really... Thank you so much for that.
Sadhguru: I even watched your father race,
Nico. I've been...
Nico Rosberg: That's amazing.
Sadhguru: ...I've been into racing since 70s,
so (Laughs)...
Nico Rosberg: Okay, so next time I come to
India, we... we have a little race each other, hmm?
Sadhguru: Oh yeah, but these days I'm on the
motorcycle, I hope you can balance.
Nico Rosberg: That's... That's sounding a bit dangerous.
I like four wheels usually (Sadhguru laughs).
Sadhguru: I'm riding a Multistrada, so it's
pretty good.
Nico Rosberg: Sadhguru, if I may, I would
like to jump right into an area where hopefully,
with your insights, we can create a little
bit of help to everybody, all of my followers
who are... who are following at the moment,
and who may be…
Sadhguru: Hey, I thought you were too fast
to be followed, what the hell is happening to you?
Nico Rosberg: No, no, I'm slowing down for this...
(Sadhguru laughs) for this purpose now.
So I would like to... I've listened to so many of your talks
over the years, even back in years when I was fighting
for the title, I was listening and listening to many of your
talks. So they've always supported me as well.
And... And you talked a lot about... about
depression sometimes.
And I'm sure many people unfortunately are
struggling with symptoms of depression at the moment.
And yet you say that most of it is self-caused
and self-inflicted and only a minority
is really pathological, where it's really a disease.
So for the majority, we can control it ourselves.
And what you say is that we need to learn and practice
to keep myself... to keep ourselves more joyful.
And I would like to ask you for a quick insight
on what you recommend we can do
to keep ourselves more joyful in the everyday moments,
at... at this period that we're going through?
Sadhguru: See, essentially we give it various
names.
We call this misery, we call this anxiety,
we call this anger, we call this resentment,
we call this hatred; we call this many things.
But essentially all that's happened is,
your intelligence has turned against you.
Once your intelligence turns against you,
then no power in the world can save you.
It doesn't matter where you are,
you may be in the best possible situations,
but misery is inevitable because your mind
has turned against you, your own
intelligence is working against you.
This is like, suppose right now... (Gestures)
Show me your right hand.
Suppose it starts beating you in the face, what will you
do, those Ruben and whoever else around you?
They will initially... they won't try... you
know, dare to touch the ace driver.
But when he starts bleeding they will come
and hold you.
They don't want to let you go; "What are
you doing to yourself?"
But you won't listen, you start smashing yourself
up. Then what to do?
Tie up your hand to the chair on which you're sitting.
But that also did not help, then what to do?
If it goes to the extreme, if it becomes too
damaging, somebody will have to amputate that hand,
which is causing so much damage to you. So when
you do it with your hand, it's very obvious.
When you do it with your own thoughts and
emotions, you think there is some exotic name to it.
No, all you're doing is you're thrashing yourself
with your own thoughts and emotions.
Everybody has an excuse why I do this; because
my car didn't start, because my wife is like this,
because my husband is like that, because
my job is like this. Everybody has some excuse.
Right now everybody's excuse is; because
I'm not able to meet my boss, mother-in-law,
everybody is stuck somewhere else, I am just stuck
at home with my loved ones, and that is the problem.
Can you believe it? All these days, people
were complaining going to work.
Today they complaining they cannot go to work.
So I'm saying the problem is just this
that your own intelligence has turned against you,
because the nature of human intelligence is like this,
it's on many different levels. One aspect of it is intellect.
If you ask anybody,
"Do you want your intellect to be sharp or blunt?"
Of course they will say, "I want it sharp."
So we gave you, let us say, a very sharp knife.
It's a cutting instrument.
Now, the hand in which you're holding the
knife is not steady.
So you started doing this (Gestures) and started
cutting yourself.
Now you think knife is the problem. Knife is not the
problem, the hand that holds is the problem.
So we have done nothing about stabilizing
our systems.
We have been given an intelligence and an awareness
which is way ahead of any other creature on this planet.
You know, this Charles Darwin he's an English
guy, you've heard of him.
Nico Rosberg: of course.
Sadhguru: So he said (Laughs)... He said, a goat
could have become a giraffe over a million years.
A pig could have become an elephant over many
more million years,
but a monkey became a man rather quickly (Both laugh).
How quickly means, see, the DNA difference between
a chimpanzee and a human being is only a 1.23 percent.
1.23 percent is not a very big difference, isn't it?
Hmm (Laughs)? 1.23 percent difference. So
physiologically that is how close to a
chimpanzee or gorilla we are. But in terms of our
intelligence and awareness, we are worlds apart.
Right now this is all our problem is, we have an
intelligence for which we don't have a
stable enough platform, so it begins to work against
ourselves. Now, the most important aspect is
to create a stable platform; to create a body, to create a
chemistry, to create a… balance within ourselves,
so that this (Gestures) intelligence will work for us.
And it'll be a solution, not a problem.
Everybody knows that intelligence is a solution,
not a problem.
But most people are experiencing their intel...
their own intelligence as a problem.
All the suffering that you see on the planet, except the
physical things that happened to people, unfortunately;
here and there injuries will happen, accidents
will happen, wars will happen.
Leaving those aside, rest of the human suffering
is one-hundred percent on self-help mode.
Nico Rosberg: Can you give me like, for the
rest of my day, for example, something...
something very specific to create this more
stable platform that you're talking about. One... One...
Like one piece of advice for my day today that I
could try and see if I... if that practice if I enjoy that?
Sadhguru: Well, I know a little bit about your thing.
At the age of six you started driving something, all right.
Later on... by the time you got onto the Formula
One track, you were twenty-one years of age.
From then on, I'm sure, twenty-one, maybe you had
more bravado, but by the time
you got little mastery over the car, it took another
six – eight years before you really have something.
Well, Formula One car is a complicated machine,
all right. But tell me, isn't this (Referring to oneself)
human mechanism the most sophisticated
machine on the planet?
Nico Rosberg: Absolutely!
Sadhguru: It is. Far more complex and sophisticated
than a car, whatever kind of car.
So when you take so many years just to get
a handle on a car, why do you ask me,
"Tell me some tip that by this evening I will be
fine"; over this machine, why (Laughs)?
Nico Rosberg: But we need to start, we need
to start somewhere.
Sadhguru: Ah, that is okay, "Can I get started?"
Can I get started;
because there was a starting problem I saw (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: _____(Inaudible) the solution
well that today we could just all become joyful.
Its just give us... give us one starting point. 
Sadhguru: Yes.
Nico Rosberg: ...potentially in a meditation
or something where tonight just before going to sleep,
we can do one practice inspired by Sadhguru,
which might... begin...(Overlapping conversation).
Sadhguru: That we will do (Laughs). No, but I am saying
(Overlapping conversation) this is the problem
that everybody has, "Sadhguru, give me one tip
so that everything will be fine with me."
This (Referring to oneself) is a very, very sophisticated
machine. This needs much more attention.
And this is made in such a way, if you pay
attention for an entire lifetime, still it goes on.
As you explore, it gets more and more profound,
more and more fantastic, you know.
And your ability to use it can be greatly enhanced.
How do I start? Well, the simple way is just this.
The most fundamental thing... The most fundamental
misunderstanding people have is...
I'm sure in some of the videos you might have
heard, but for your audience...
I will not call them followers because I... I don't want
anybody following a... a Formula One racer (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: I'm very careful, Sadhguru,
I'm very careful (Sadhguru laughs).
Sadhguru: So, for them, the simple thing is this.
You as a human being, as a life, exist;
this is there in everybody's experience.
They know they exist.
But right now when you're here, you think, "This
(Referring to oneself) body is me; my thoughts,
my emotions is me." But is it a fact that you were
born only this (Gestures) much and now you became
a full-grown man? That means slowly you gathered
this body. How do you gather this body?
From the food that you eat. Where did the food
come from? From the earth.
So the soil that you walk upon and the body that you
call as myself, are not different, it's the same thing.
Most people do not get it till you bury them
(Laughs), you know.
At that time, they'll get it, but it's a little
too late.
But as you... I sit here and as you are there, it is a fact
that we are just a piece of this planet.
We gathered this (Referring to oneself) from the earth.
What we gather can be ours,
can never ever be us, isn't it? See, probably
when you're driving this car, totally involved,
it's almost like an extension of you. It's not really a car,
it's you. But you... you get off the car,
you get out of the car, so it is okay. Now
the problem with the body is,
you're into it, and you never get out of it. Only once
you get out of it, by then it's too late.
So this is the essential problem, that people
are stuck in their car...
This is a vehicle, if you see this (Referring
to oneself) as a vehicle. They're stuck in this vehicle.
They never get to see that, vehicle and them
are two different things.
As it is with body, that it's an accumulation,
so is the content of the mind,
we accumulated it over a period of time. So what
you accumulate will always be yours, but never you.
So this much they have to get; that what
is me and what I have, are two different things.
Like my clothing is, my body is. I've
gathered this, I've gathered that.
If this distinction comes, this is the end
of all suffering.
Because there are only two kinds of suffering
in human life, physical suffering and mental suffering.
There is no other suffering. If you create a little distance
between yourself and your body,
between yourself and your mind, this is the end
of suffering. So when will I have this?
Well, we can do it right away. Well, you should
download an app that we have.
It's a free app, anybody can download, it's
called Sadhguru app.
Here there is a practice called Isha Kriya.
This is a simple way of bringing awareness
to what is your body and what is you;
what is your mind and what is you.
Once there is a tiny little bit of space between you
and your body, between you and your mind,
this is the end of suffering. Well, when you do it,
it may be there for a few seconds,
and then when you open your eyes, again
you're stuck in it.
But daily practice if it happens, after some
time, if you sit here (Gestures), you're conscious
that what is you and what is your body are
separate things, then this is the end of suffering.
A new level of balance will arise in every human being.
Without balance whatever competence we have,
whatever capabilities we have, whatever intelligence
will have... we have, will only work against us.
Nico Rosberg: So Sadhguru, if I may... if
I may try and interpret that a little bit... So you're...
I would suggest as well to my audience to take some
time to sit down peacefully and start practicing this.
And if I may say then maybe we can look at
the racing car, my racing car where I'm sitting inside,
being like my mind that is in my head,
and if I'm able to take a step outside of my racing car,
and observe my racing car; which again is my mind,
my ego, my desires, my sufferings, my thoughts;
and if I take one step outside and I observed my
racing car, but I keep appreciating it,
but I'm aware... I'm aware of what the racing car is
thinking, is desiring, is trying to possess
and all that, that is the kind of distance that you're
suggesting we should practice.
So being aware of thoughts and ego and all of that.
Sadhguru: See, if you want to... if you want
to fix your racing car, you have to get out of it, isn't it?
Nico Rosberg: Yeah.
Sadhguru: When it's working well, it's fine.
If you have to fix it, you have to get out
of it. I saw you getting out of it that day.
But you didn't fix; you danced in front of it (Both laugh). 
Nico Rosberg: That's true (Laughs)... I couldn't...
I couldn't fix it so quickly, it would have taken me the
whole journey of life to fix that one (Sadhguru laughs).
It’s a very complicated machine. 
Sadhguru: I know (Laugh).
Nico Rosberg: Okay, well thank you very much. And I
wanted to... I wanted to touch on one more thing.
You used to be a businessman. Ten... Ten years
ago when you were twenty-five years old,
you used to be a businessman. 
Sadhguru: (Laughs) Thank you.
Thank you for that ten-year compliment (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: How did this transformation
that you undertook for yourself turning...
turning your life into a life of service,
practicing yoga, teaching yoga, meditation?
How did it transform your inner self, possibly,
exactly in this awareness that you've gained now?
Can you explain that a little bit to us?
Sadhguru: Now you want me to share my great
failures in my life?
See (Laughs), this happened to me, yes, I
was in business - ah, for those days, I'm saying.
Not like today, some guy starts a Facebook and
makes hundred-billion dollars in two years,
not that kind of success. But for those days, where I
was, it was considered a big success in five years' time.
Everybody said, "Oh, he's doing fantastic,"
whatever. Well, the... my idea was not to do fantastic.
I just want... I crisscrossed India on my
motorcycle at that time.
And I realized that my problem was I couldn't
cross the India... Indian borders and ride on
because of various things, so I decided, I will start some
business, make some money, and then ride away.
But then success came. Success is a trap (Laughs).
You... Once it's successful, you can't get out.
You did a wise thing. When you got the World
Championship, you got out.
That's a very wise thing (Laughs). But success is a trap.
When you become successful you can't get out of it.
I thought two years' business and then I'll ride away.
Then it became full... Then it became...
(Overlapping conversation) (Laughs) became
four years, five years; became very successful,
over half a dozen businesses, all kinds of
things happening.
So one afternoon, I just went and sat on a hill. Suddenly
I did not know which is me and which is not me.
What was me just was all over the place. 
Nico Rosberg: Were you suffering?
Sadhguru: No. I was very successful and
happy (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: But was it true happiness?
Sadhguru: What is true ha...? I was happy. It
was true to me (Laughs).
Maybe others were not happy about me, I don't
know (Laughs).
When you are happy, always somebody is not
happy, you know, what to do (Laughs)?.
There are some people who become miserable
simply because others are happy.
There are a whole lot of people like that,
unfortunately (Laughs). So I...
Nico Rosberg: On the hill. I interrupted you, sorry.
On the hill.
Sadhguru: Tell me, tell me (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: No, you were speaking about
how you were on the hill, reflecting .
Sadhguru: Yeah. So, I sat there and you know, like,
I thought it's just ten minutes.
I had my eyes open. For the first time in my adult life,
tears were flowing, which was impossible with me.
I lived like that. But tears were flowing.
And four-and-a-half hours passed away.
And I was dripping ecstasy, every cell in my body.
Then I had no explanation for this.
I was such a super skeptic about everything.
I thought maybe I'm going off my rocker.
Really I'm losing it. Because if I look like this (Gestures),
I don't know where is me, where is not me.
Everything looks like me. I just couldn't come to any...
For everything, I had to have a logical explanation.
For the first time, my smart logic felt like a dumb idiot,
which I didn't like. But it was too fantastic.
I was just dripping ecstasy. So when I...
naturally when this happens...
Because I did not grow up in any spiritual
backgrounds or that kind of traditions,
I just grew up completely different. So only thing is
I had to ask my friends,
"What do you think is happening to me?" They said,
"Come on, what did you drink? What did you pop?"
This is all they could ask me. Because there was
no context for what was happening.
After a few weeks, I knew I have hit a goldmine.
Something fantastic I've hit.
Then I saw all I have to do is, if I sit here,
without messing with my mind, I'm just ecstatic.
Then I thought, this is it, I've found it.
And I sat down and made a plan.
On that day the world's population was 5.6
billion people.
I sat down and made a plan - in two-and-a-half years'
time I will make the entire world ecstatic (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: _____ (Unclear) ambitious...
Sadhguru: Thirty-nine... Thirty-nine years (Laughs)
working incessantly, seven days of the week,
three-hundred-and-sixty-five days. Well, people say
we've touched over one... one billion people today.
But that's not my idea of the world. So I was just about
to tell you, now I am condemned to die a failure,
but a blissful failure (Laughs). I know, because people
are so invested in their miseries,
they are not going to give it up. Even if it's horrible,
they won't give it up because it's their...
their horrible nonsense. So getting them
out of it takes lots of work.
This is why I structured this program called Inner
Engineering and started offering this in many ways.
Essentially, this is an effort to rub off
that blissfulness within me upon everybody else.
Well, like, you know, a few million people are like this
today, if they close their eyes in the morning
tears of ecstasy are coming out of them.
It's wonderful.
Actually recently, you know, a journalist in
America asked me,
"Sadhguru, if there's one single achievement in your life,
what is that?" I said, "Tears."
He said, "What, tears?" I said, "Yes, tears. Because every
day, wherever I go, whichever part of the world,
every day I see tears of love and ecstasy around me.
I think this is the greatest achievement I have."
People melt; that's wonderful.
(Laughs) They're not like hard rocks.
Nico Rosberg: Sadhguru, thank you, thank you
so much for your... for your... kind work.
Sadhguru: Thank you.
Nico Rosberg: And I'm wishing you lots of... lots of…
that you're able to support many, many millions
of people with your Isha Foundation, particularly
now in this... in this Corona times,
where you have so many thousands of volunteers who
are delivering food and everything.
So I really hope that you're able to successfully
help so many millions of people.
Sadhguru: Yeah, we are in the process of,
you know, mainly food has become a issue,
because I want to make sure, in this region, that...
Well, the virus' the threat is always there,
but I don't want people to die of starvation. So we are
mainly focusing on providing food for those people
who have no livelihoods and moving in that direction.
Many things are being done.
Our volunteers are on the ground doing fantastic
work.
I even took time to paint something, and it looks like it's
going to sell for a pretty good amount (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: 50,000, I saw, which is... which
is fantastic.
Sadhguru: It's still going till... till 30th
they're bidding, let me see.
Come... Come to India sometime Nico, it
will be interesting for you.
Nico Rosberg: I would love to, together with
my wife, I would love to be there...
Sadhguru: Yes, both of you should come. We have a
beautiful Center here at the foothills of
Velliangiri mountains. Our backyard is over 10,000
square miles of rain forest.
Nico Rosberg: Wow, wow beautiful.
Sadhguru: ...with wild animals, everything.
Come sometime with your children, it'll be fantastic.
Nico Rosberg: With great pleasure. Okay,
Sadhguru it was an honor.
Sadhguru: Namaskaram, thank you.
Nico Rosberg: Bye-bye. Thank you, thank you very much.
Sadhguru: No handshaking, okay? This (Gestures)
is what you do from now on (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: No, no, no, no, no, its elbow ______(Unclear).
Sadhguru: No, not even that.
This (Gestures) is good (Laughs).
Nico Rosberg: And please, everybody follow
Sadhguru on YouTube as well.
It's an incredible channel you have there;
super, super inspirational, your talks and videos.
Sadhguru: Thank you, Well, Nico, I will do one thing to
you. I will send a Inner Engineering Online link for you.
I want you to experience that, you and your
wife can go through this.
Nico Rosberg: Okay, thanks so much. I'll
definitely look into it. Thank you.
Sadhguru: We will send it to you, Namaskaram.
