- My mission here on
YouTube is to help you
make better decisions for
yourself and for the planet
so future generations can
live to their full potential.
A lot of times what that means
is looking at the economics behind things
like an electric vehicle purchase,
maybe solar, or home batteries,
or a lot of things Tesla related,
but other companies as well.
Recently, I had a video
saying why I think you should
probably wait on buying
a new Tesla right now
because there's so much
going on unless you need one,
or you're not looking at the
top tier specs or whatever.
That really was surprising to me then
when I saw Marques Brownlee,
MKBHD as you know him on
YouTube, order a new Model S.
I thought it'd be fun just to have him on
and talk through that purchase as well
as everything else going on
in the Tesla space right now
and just even broader what
he thinks about technology
and making decisions like that.
Here it is, my interview with MKBHD.
(upbeat R&B music)
You posted, and I had it up here,
a tweet of a photo that you
just ordered a new Model S.
Man, I'm scared for you and I'm nervous.
(man laughs)
- Same.
- Coincidentally, this was a
week after I posted a video
saying you should wait.
I'm a little hurt by that first.
You got Apollo, which you
may be like Nostradamus here
because you got the P100D
right when it came out, right?
- Right.
- Since then, there's been
the Raven upgrade or whatever,
but there haven't been a
massive update to it since then.
- Let me tell you that story.
When I was done with my Toyota hybrid
and I got a garage and I
was waiting for a Model S,
I was like, let me wait
for the next big update
before I'll purchase 'cause
I know how tech works.
Finally, I don't know if it was an event
or they just announced it,
I think it was just a post on their site,
P100D comes out, boom,
big deal, this is the one.
I pull the trigger,
I am the first P100D order on the
East Coast of the United
States taking delivery
and they're all pumped
at the service center.
I think it was a six week wait
and at some point during it,
I started getting antsy.
I was like, let me just
do a test drive just to
call that for a minute.
I go in and I do a test drive and I meet
this guy in the parking lot.
He was like, you got
the P100D coming to the
service center, right?
I was like, yeah.
There was an announcement recently
about two weeks after I ordered that
all cars coming out the
factory from this point on
will have autopilot 2.0 hardware,
new cameras in the B pillars
and rear-facing from the front.
I was kind of nervous.
I ordered two weeks ago,
is my car gonna have that?
He was like, your car will
have that new harness.
Okay, great, perfect.
I did a test drive or
whatever, waited, got my car,
did not have those cameras.
My car has a new front fascia.
It's the first one, the first P100D,
it's the first of a big
update, but two weeks later,
my car was outdated and I have not had
any of the autopilot, or smart summon,
or any features since then.
I felt slighted, I felt
a little bit bummed,
but now I'm trying to
find a space and time
to upgrade and not screw myself again.
- That's painful.
I feel that for you.
That must've been the first half of 2016
'cause I think it was June or July of 2016
when they announced the new
autopilot hardware stuff.
- I got delivery in September so it was
probably about two months before that.
- That was right then, dang.
You're missing smart summon,
you're missing navigate on autopilot,
you're missing auto park?
No, I think auto park still comes out.
- [Marques] I have auto park.
A lot of the entertainment
features are missing too
'cause it's the older computer.
I don't have YouTube in my car,
I don't have sentry mode,
I don't have dog mode,
I don't have a lot of these things.
- Does it seem insane that your car
didn't get the ability
to play YouTube videos
knowing the tech that's in your
car and also in my Model X?
Is it me or I'm just like this seems
like a dumb thing to not include.
- It seems dumb just because of how
modern Teslas seem compared
to the rest of cars,
but to be fair, the UI in my car is slow.
It's slowed down a lot.
I would say it's laggy at this point.
I go through menus and
maps and things like that
and it's okay, but I can
tell that there are pieces
where I kind of believe
if I try to do YouTube
or some of the games and things like that,
they might actually struggle
and not be an ideal experience.
I can see someone at Tesla deciding
let's not ship this to the East cars
because it will not be good.
It's a bummer and I still want dashcam.
Just give me half baked YouTube,
just give me half baked Hulu,
but it's a decision they had to make.
- Then on the flip side of that,
does it worry you at all using autopilot
knowing that the computer doing this
can't even play a YouTube video?
- I guess I'm not too concerned.
The autopilot computer is supposed to have
way more headroom than
it's actually using.
I guess I'm okay with that.
I don't actually need
navigate on autopilot.
I use it on the highway sometimes.
If there's traffic, I'll
just kick it in autopilot
and let it do its thing.
I guess I've been one of those people
that's very trusting of my
car for the past couple years.
- What did you order and what
made you pull that trigger?
- I had my order in September 2016.
This was a three month lease.
Apollo came up on the end
of the three month lease
in September and there
was sort of a silence.
We have Raven, but is that the
last big update for awhile,
not really sure, so I'm
kind of feeling it out.
Turns out I can do a lease
extension for six months
so that brings me to March of next year.
I have basically until March
to decide what I wanna do.
Then in the midst of all this,
Elon comes out with this Plaid
stuff with Plaid Model S.
He said, there's not gonna
be any big interior refresh,
we're still working on Model Three,
we have other priorities,
and then I think there was a tweet about
Plaid Model S being a year away.
For Elon time, that's the end of 2020.
To me, I feel like Raven
is the last big update
until Plaid Model S.
That's the risk I'm taking is 'cause
there could be just a random
surprise interior refresh.
A difference between this car and Apollo
is I did buy the Raven so if there is some
crazy freak refresh in
the next year and a half,
I can trade it in and just eat the cost.
It's part of my job to
be up on the newest tech.
I'm okay with that, but I think,
I think that this is a
last big update 'til Plaid.
- 'Cause that's where my head was at
and in the video I did on it about
should you wait to buy a Tesla.
The idea was we have a
truck unveiling coming
literally in a couple weeks,
we don't know when, but soon.
My thought was like, just wait until that.
(men laugh)
- That would've been a smart thing to do.
I think my patience sort of
got to me where I was like,
I love this car.
There's nothing wrong with Apollo either.
I could keep driving it 'til March,
but I was just kind of like I think
one of my neighbors here
at the studio has a Raven
and there's all these new features,
smart summon came out
and feature after feature
has come out that I can't test
or do a video on a review.
I need to just update now.
Is updating right now at
this very moment a bad idea?
I came to the conclusion
that it wasn't a bad idea.
You're probably right,
I probably should've waited
'til the pick-up truck event
at least just in case
something rolls off the back,
I don't know.
We'll see.
- Then in terms of the Plaid
Model S, the Elon time thing,
people have given me crap for this,
but it's the first time I wonder if
Elon's sandbagging a little bit because
Kim from Light Tesla did something
where they got some leak or whatever and
people that they knew had said that
that was gonna go into
production early 2020.
The reason I think Elon
might be sandbagging
is 'cause if Elon said that,
your case in point right here,
if Elon had tweeted not it'll go into
production a year from
now, but early 2020,
you would've waited, right?
Why would you have not?
That would've been 100% of Model
S and X sales just stopped.
He has to kind of sandbag I think.
Then it's like is he being
realistic with this timeline
or is it two years from now?
- Here's my devil's advocate to that.
How many Model S and X buyers
are buying the top-end trim
and would a Plaid version on the horizon
really halt Model S and X sales?
In theory, that's just an option.
It's gonna be an option
that's more expensive
on top of the current Model S and X,
cheaper than Tycan but
obviously a bit higher on top.
Is the availability of
that option in the future
really gonna halt the majority of people
deciding to buy S or X?
I don't know.
That's probably something Elon
thinks a lot about and that whole team,
but I figure Elon's
never sandbagged before.
(man laughs)
I guess that's where my chips are.
- I'm an NFL fan.
This is play action here.
You run the ball, run
the ball, run the ball,
and then you fake the run and
you drop the bomb on them.
I don't know, I don't know.
We'll have to see.
- We'll see, we'll see.
- Do you feel like because of what
you do on YouTube and stuff
and you need to have
the latest and greatest
for Teslas as well?
Obviously for the cellphones and things,
but do you feel like that extends
to all aspects of the
stuff you use and all that?
- A little bit, yeah.
I didn't feel this before with my car.
With tech, yeah.
I've been on the bleeding edge.
It's sort of an uncomfortable reality
of I have three laptops next to me
that I have to somehow test and review.
How do I test and review
three different laptops?
It's gonna take awhile.
I do I think feel this new responsibility
to also stay on that bleeding
edge with the car stuff
now that that's part of what I talk about
and explore and share.
That's just something I'm keeping
in mind for the same thing,
if something crazy happens
and I need to upgrade.
I would've done a smart summon demo video
if I had a car that could do
that, but I didn't have that.
That's a new thing for me.
- I saw Jugner's video on
it and I was like, oh man,
'cause some of those things,
I'm like, no, that's dangerous.
I was so scared.
This one feature, it's
funny because it's probably
not in the grand scheme of things
the most important feature
for say full self-driving,
but the amount of press and stuff
that already has generated compared to
how much work it probably took them
is a huge return on that time.
Have anyone else demoed it
near you or anything like that?
- There's two people who
work me have Model Threes.
I have never seen smart summon in action.
- Really?
- Never seen it.
- Really.
- I would love to.
- I've watched a lot of videos about it,
but I gotta get up on that.
My delivery date now, I just got it.
It's in two weeks so I'll be able
to test it out pretty soon.
- You'll have Apollo still so you'll
be able to do side by side,
you'll be able to do
all that stuff, right?
- I arranged another month so I'll have
a small overlap with Apollo and the Raven
and I'll do some side by side and
I'll be able to review it and
really see what's different.
I just passed 65,000
miles today, by the way.
Then it's onto Raven.
- One thing about Apollo,
Apollo got into an accident and came back,
but you had done a wrap.
Did you redo the wrap
as well 'cause Apollo,
you never knew anything happened,
or is it a different
color now or anything?
- Same wrap.
It was the left side of
the car that was damaged,
so new door, new panels,
and they had to of course re-wrap them,
and then I got a photo from the body shop
when they finished that and they said,
the left side of the car looks brand new
'cause the wrap is less stated.
Do you want us to just re-wrap the
whole rest of the car to match?
I was like yeah, sure.
It got new panels and then
it got a new wrap entirely.
I will have to unwrap it when I return it.
- I've looked at doing
a wrap for my Model X
'cause it has some paint issues and stuff.
You can repaint it which looks great,
but it's super expensive,
takes a lot of time.
How was your wrap held up especially
'cause you live on the East Coast
so you have actual weather?
How does all of that work with the wrap?
Are you stoked on it?
- I highly, highly,
highly recommend a wrap.
- Really?
- I couldn't recommend it enough.
Like you said, New Jersey weather,
there's salt on the roads,
there's horrible conditions,
you're gonna drive through random stuff.
The paint on Model S and X as you know,
it's not bad, but it's soft.
- It's not the best.
- You get some swirls and
things aren't amazing.
Going through a car wash with a wrap,
fine as long as it's a hand car wash,
it looks literally new
every time you wash it,
you can mess with different finishes,
you can go matte, you can go satin,
you can get a protective
film over the top of the wrap
so if you do get scratches or dents,
it doesn't damage anything,
and it's cheaper, it's more customizable,
you can go different patterns.
I highly recommend a wrap.
- Did you do ceramic
coating on top of the wrap
or anything like that?
- Not with Apollo.
With Apollo, it's just
a lease so I couldn't
go too crazy with customization.
I kept the original
wheels, I kept the windows,
I didn't frost any lights or anything.
I just basically wrapped
it and that was it.
With the new one now that I own it,
I think if we get into timing and
nothing too crazy happens and I'm
gonna own this car for a little while,
I'll probably wrap it, ceramic coating,
tint windows, powder coat the
wheels, get really into it.
- I can't wait to see it.
As exciting as all this talk is,
I think both of us is objective that we're
both more excited about
the Roadster coming out.
(man giggles)
I heard you mention it on the
podcast on Ride The Lighting,
Franz was on there talking
about it's better in every way.
I don't know, man.
When he says that, what
do you see that as?
How do you interpret the new Roadster
is better in every way since they
unveiled it or launched or whatever?
- I think that just means to
me, if I'm being realistic,
I think that means it'll have
a slightly updated design
because they're learning things
from testing Plaid Model S.
Basically the way I see it,
they're using all this
triple motor Model S testing
to learn how to best optimize
the vehicle for the track.
Then we'll take those
learnings from that 2020 car
and apply it to the Roadster.
I think by the time Roadster comes out,
it may have slightly better range
and better design from those
Plaid Model S learnings.
I don't think they're gonna go 1.7.
I don't think they're actually
dropping even more off of those numbers,
but I think they're just
learning from the Plaid test car.
- Right.
Then when you look at the
range, 621 miles or something,
you're going why would
you need more than that?
(man laughs)
- True.
- Where are you going?
I'm looking now.
It does say 1.9 seconds
zero to 60 on the website
and they had updated that
and there was a deal,
and you guys touched on it
so I wanted to talked about it quickly,
but Jason Fenske has
a really great channel
called Engineering Explained and
he went through the whole physics behind
why two seconds is a
major deal to beat that.
Have you seen that?
- I think I probably have watched that
where he was talking about literally
the limits of friction with the
rubber compounds and the tires.
I guess it's possible they're also
continuing to work on
whatever custom tire.
Was it a custom tire?
I don't know.
- It was a Pilot Sport Cup
Two something or other,
like a new version of a Michelin tire
that's already the top,
top, top of the line.
- I think basically part of his math
was if you take the mass of the car
or just estimate the mass of the car
and go 60 miles an hour
and just lock the wheels
and see how long it takes to get to zero,
that's a theoretical limit of the
coefficient of friction of the tire.
It was somewhere around
1.6 seconds or something.
The fact that you're anywhere near that
with the actual motor is just nuts.
Then I think Tesla said
that's the base model.
(man laughs)
That's pretty sick.
- You through the referral program earned
one or two Roadsters?
- I earned one and a half
Roadsters or 1.6 Roadsters,
so basically I think it was 2% discount
per referral or something like that
and it ended up being 100% off one
and 60 something percent off a second one.
There's not really any details
about how that's gonna work yet.
We'll see how that goes.
- I just got my power
walls from three years ago.
I'm not holding my breath.
If you think about it 'cause obviously
economics and business,
it's like who are you gonna
give these cars to first?
Probably not the guys that
paid zero dollars for them.
(man laughs)
- They say Founders edition is
the first 1,000 off the line,
but I don't know who's
gonna hold them to that.
- This is all kind of up
in the air so we'll see,
but will you or do you plan on
getting the Space-X package?
- Yes.
- Yes.
- I think the way it's gonna be is I have
mapped out a future where I probably
don't need to upgrade to Plaid Model S.
As exciting as it will be,
I think I can keep Raven around and then
just have that and Roadster.
There's no real need to
have the fastest Model S.
That's just gonna be the daily car
and then the fun car's the Roadster.
Space-X, all the things.
(man laughs)
- That was my next question was about
you did that part of the
auto focus series I think
where you drove the NSX for,
was it a full week or was it a month?
- It was about a week.
- A week, and if I recall,
you weren't too in love with driving a car
like that for your daily driver.
What do you think about the
Roadster being a daily driver?
- I still have a soft spot in my heart
for certain road cars that are out there.
My favorites right now being some
of McLaren's Sport Series.
They're lightweight, they're
fast, they're exciting cars.
As a daily driver, I daily drove the 720S
for five days or something like that.
Not a great daily driver.
(men laugh)
There's no trunk, there's
very little practicality,
but it is really fun.
When I think about Roadster,
I think that's gonna be
the ultimate fun car.
The range makes it
tempting as a daily driver,
but I think I'm gonna end
up daily driving a Model S
through the snow, through all this crap
we have in New Jersey and
then when it's nice out,
we'll have some Roadster days.
- Not a daily driver, but
going to drive it sometimes.
It is interesting the range is so long.
I wonder if that's just to get more power.
- I think just based on what
I know about the numbers,
it's supposed to be a
roughly 200 kilowatt battery
and it's a smaller, lighter body.
Honestly, if you put the same motor
as you have in Plaid Model S right now
into a smaller, lighter car,
you'll get more range and then
you add double the battery,
you'll probably look at around
500, 600 miles right now.
The question is, can they
fit that big of a battery
and all those motors in
that small of a space?
- That's an interesting question.
You skipped the semi event and I think
that's the last Tesla
event you'll skip probably
after seeing that.
I was there and lucky
enough to get to ride in it.
It kind of reminded me like
the size of a Lamborghini.
It's not like the original Roadster.
That thing is tiny.
I remember a lot of people
talking about that afterwards.
It's such a tiny car, but
it's not really if you
think of footprint.
It's short, it's small, but
it's not like the Lotus.
- No, it's definitely bigger.
I saw it at the Model Y event and
it reminds me of if you've ever seen
a Huracan and an Aventador
next to each other.
They both have that small, sleek look,
but the Aventador is way
bigger than a Huracan.
It's kind of the same way.
Roaster, it's low to the ground,
it's gonna have probably
a pretty high floor,
but it's still a pretty big sports car.
That'll be interesting.
- It's got a big footprint
there so I think there's space.
Other than the Roadster,
are there any other Tesla models
that you're excited about?
I know we got the truck
coming up, but anything else,
or any other ones you
think they should make
that they're not currently making?
- That's kind of as far as my personal
what I would wanna drive,
I have friends that are super curious
about this pick-up truck.
You probably know Peter McKinnon.
He's a YouTuber, awesome videos.
He just got a Ford Raptor.
We're texting all the time about this like
I can't wait to see what
Tesla comes out with
'cause I don't know if
I'm gonna regret this
and really into the pick-up truck.
There's a whole bunch of interest in what
electric can do as far as towing capacity
and all that stuff.
I don't need a pick-up truck.
(man laughs)
I'm not super stoked on that.
- It's funny 'cause I
love all of Peter's stuff.
We got to meet at Vidsome
and hang out a little bit
and every time, he has
that Ford hat and it always
hurts me a little bit.
Just give it a few months.
We'll bring you into the tribe here.
I'm sure you're gonna love it.
Now let's talk about that real quick.
The Porsche Taycan, Top Gear
did a review or whatever,
comparison with the Model S.
Have you looked at that?
It seems pretty controversial.
They had it in range mode or something
and none of the specs match up with
what everyone else has seen in the wild.
What's your first take on that?
- I saw that.
It's interesting to me because I get it.
That's obviously a strange quirk,
but I've also made so many videos
and especially I've been behind the scenes
of trying to make car videos and
the amount of shots that you get that
don't necessarily correlate
with what's actually happening,
the amount of mixing and matching you do
to make something happen,
it's unbelievable.
It's crazy to shoot a car video.
Yes, in that Top Gear video,
there's a shot of the dashboard
where the car's in range mode.
Why are you drag racing in range mode?
That doesn't make any sense.
That's the opposite of what
you wanna do right now,
but I also don't know if they actually
got the numbers from
drag racing in range mode
'cause they might've gotten
the numbers on a different run.
There's also talks about they did
launch control in the Porsche,
but did they do it in the Tesla?
I can't really see very well.
There's no footage of the actual race
that produced those numbers and
people are just staring at those numbers.
I guess my take is if you're buying a car
because you want the one that's
faster in a straight line,
then pay attention to the numbers,
but those two cars are totally
different in so many ways
that they're directed at two totally
different types of consumers.
That's probably the least of the things
you're concerned about
when cross shopping them.
- Is there a parallel
in the smartphone space?
The way I was thinking
of it is like if you had,
I don't know what the megapixels are
between the OnePlus Seven
Pro and the Galaxy S10 Plus,
but let's say there's a
half a megapixel difference
in the main rear-facing camera.
Does it really matter?
Probably more the software that's
processing the image that
makes a big difference.
- Yup, that's exactly right.
- Is it just the Tesla community
that gets obsessive over
these things of like
it's .1 second difference
and you guys are lying,
this is fake news.
Legit, Elon is tweeting about this.
Is it gonna change anyone's mind between
a $200,000 car and a $100,000?
I just don't know if it matters at all,
but people love to just go nuts about it.
- I think the Tesla community,
and it doesn't help that
Elon also leans into it,
but I think people really
get really into the specs,
specifically the numbers on paper.
A lot of the Tesla
community that you'll see
commenting about these cars
doesn't own either of the cars.
It's just people going
I know which one I want
because I've seen the drag races,
I know it's supposed to run this number,
zero to 60 in this number,
but it's the same as the smartphone world.
Specs, they tell some of the story, yeah,
but they are a small part of what makes
the character of the
actual device, or the car,
or whatever it is you're talking about.
There's gonna be Android
phones with 12 gigs of RAM
that perform the same
as an iPhone with three.
You can't just look at the numbers.
Here's a question.
The Model S is great, right?
If the Model S existed exactly how it is,
but it somehow had a gas engine
and a gas tank and a
transmission and all of that,
but it still had all the
storage that's superior,
still had the front trunk,
still had all this crazy
torque in zero to 60,
I would still love it.
It would suck that I still had to pay
for gas and there's no super charging,
but it would still be a great car.
The fact that it happens to be electric
is sort of a bonus on top that
enables all of these great things.
- Along that line,
do you think you would ever
go back to a nonelectric car?
- Like I said, I have a soft spot.
I could see myself I
don't know if owning both.
This is another garage question.
(man laughs)
Do I have room for a Roadster
and a gas car and a Model S?
That might be kind of wild,
but I don't think it's
impossible for me to go back.
Go back makes it sound like I'd
never drive an electric car again.
I feel like they can coexist in my life.
I could have a gas fun car.
- One of the things that
I thought was funny was
on your podcast today,
you mentioned one of your fears is being
the old guy driving in the left lane.
(men laugh)
I think by the time you get there,
we'll have full self-driving
by then, don't you think?
- That's a good point.
Probably.
It's always fun to try to extrapolate
when does the world
accept self-driving cars.
Every year we're like
maybe it's 10 years out,
maybe it's five years out,
maybe it's 20 years out.
It's really hard for me to
extrapolate that type of thing
because it's so new and so
fresh and this press cycle.
Some days it'll seem like
everyone's cool with it
and then six headlines later,
it seems like nobody wants self-driving
and it's just like this really
confusing climate for it,
but I'm hoping by the
time I'm an old person
who can't see out of one eye
and is driving real slow,
I think by then, yes,
we should have reliable self-driving cars.
- I'm banking on it that
I'll never have to give
either of my kids the
key to a $150,000 car
that goes zero to 60 in one second.
I'm really hoping it just
gets here before then,
before that day comes for me.
If Tesla disappeared,
what car would you get if
you wanted an electric car?
- Right now, Tesla disappears?
- Just gone.
- I want an electric car specifically?
- And not one that's coming out in a year.
One that you are gonna
go pick up in a month
or something or a week.
- I think if I'm being
honest I would get a hybrid.
The electric cars I've seen,
my electric car experience is so driven
by the super chargers that I almost can't
imagine having a car with less range
and no super chargers
and that's every other
electric car right now.
I think I would honestly probably go back
to like a Prius level
hybrid type of thing.
Probably not a Prius specifically,
but I would try to get some
sort of a sporty hybrid.
Give me 40 miles a gallon and I'm happy.
- What about the BMW i8, does that count?
- i8 is a hybrid, i8 does
not get great mileage.
It's okay.
I drove that car for awhile and it's not
as practical as it might seem.
There's not enough
storage, it's a two-door.
- It doesn't seem practical.
(man laughs)
- It's not.
My car crush right now is a McLaren 570GT
and that car has about the same
amount of storage as an i8.
It's not much.
That's not something
I would probably pick.
- That's like passenger
seat and that's it, right?
- There's a little hatch behind the engine
that sort of flips open and you have
about a duffle bag worth
of storage back there
and that's the trunk.
That's about it.
- What do you think about other companies
wanting to use the Supercharger network,
or choosing intentionally not to?
- That is interesting to me.
I don't know the logistics
of what Elon was saying
of like others can use
it because they have
to charge for it eventually
and make money from it.
To me, it sounds like
it would be some kind
of a licensing deal where we'll let you
make your cars compatible with it
if we take X percent of
revenue generated from it.
You have to pay X dollars to charge,
we'll take some of that.
Maybe that deal is just not enticing
to the couple who have had that chance.
I don't really know.
It seems like a no-brainer.
Your car is such much better if they
can use the Supercharger network
and you'll get that much more customers,
but whatever the
logistics are of that deal
just have not worked out, which sucks.
- If you're GM, you can't
swallow your pride enough.
Your pride is too big to swallow
to actually let you do this I think,
especially with Bob Lutz talking
so much crap about
Tesla in the early days,
but for let's say a Rivian or Lucid
or name your EV start-up,
can you imagine a reason
why a Rivian or somebody
wouldn't want to use the
Supercharger network?
- Not really.
I get what you're saying.
It's kind of funny to see a competitor
charging with a big Tesla sign behind it.
(man laughs)
What kind of pride is that,
but if you're Rivian, sure.
Plug it in, go for it.
- Especially, Tesla doesn't
currently make a product
that competes with them.
What do you have to lose?
Could you imagine if
you go to a Supercharger
and you've got an Audi e-tron there
and it's getting 50
kilowatts top charge speed
and you pull up in a new Raven Model S
and it gets 250 kilowatts.
That's gonna sell a lot of Teslas I think.
You get a lot of people
just like, this is dumb.
I'm trading this thing in.
I'm gonna get a real electric car.
- I'd be fascinated by the terms
of what type of things they think about
when they ultimately make the choice
to not use a Supercharger network.
That might be also one of those things.
Could Tesla handicap it?
- This gets to my broader thought of,
do you remember when you first started
getting into tech and
stuff, Qualcomm made phones?
You know who Qualcomm is, I know,
but do you remember Qualcomm actually
made phones like back
in the Nokia phone days?
- [Marques] I don't think I've
ever seen a Qualcomm phone.
- Am I wrong to assume that
most young people out there
or most people even into tech,
they probably know Qualcomm
if they're into tech,
but most people probably don't even
know who Qualcomm is in the broad sense.
Could Tesla become that
where fast forward 10 years
and they make all the batteries and
the power trains and the Supercharger
and Tesla powers all the
electric vehicles in the world,
but if you own a Tesla,
that's vintage at this point or something?
- I could see that world where Tesla
only makes a couple cars and they're
just sort of these halos
for others to aim at.
It kind of makes me think of
Google, they make Android,
and then make an Android phone,
so technically they're competing with
every other Android phone maker,
but you can still make your own phone
and use Google's Android and pay licensing
and customize it and get
your customers that way.
Maybe Tesla phase into the background
and is just an electric power train
battery Supercharger company.
That could be interesting.
That's a potential future is Tesla
makes a bunch of dope cars,
they make one in each category,
they make one pick-up truck, one sedan,
one roadster, one semi-truck,
and then they're such great cars
because of the electric
power train and battery
that now they get to license that
to everyone who wants to
make an amazing product
and sell it that way.
When they have an update,
they put that new update
in their new products
and their new products become amazing
and everyone else wants that update
and it just sort of follows that way
and Tesla makes money
from selling those parts.
I could see that.
- I don't know.
I think that'd be a good path forward.
I think it would actually
help Tesla's mission
of advancing sustainable
energy because then it's like
trying to compete with these guys,
all the laws and legislation and
everything that the auto industry has
in its back pocket to fight
Tesla is like no, no, no.
They're coming with us, we're homies now,
we're gonna do this.
It seems to me like a good move.
- I like the idea.
(man chuckles)
- I really appreciate
you taking the time here.
Like I said again, you've
been an inspiration on YouTube
and everything you've been able to do
as well as helping me decide
on things like the phone.
By the way, I love the OnePlus Seven Pro.
Galaxy S10 Plus, not a huge fan of.
Truck unveil, see you there
maybe if we get invites?
- If that's a thing, I hope to be there.
- Again, thank you so much.
I appreciate everything and obviously,
everyone go check out
Marques (bleep) Brownlee.
I'm not gonna say you're middle name
'cause I know you're holding it up.
Not that I know it,
but I'm just gonna pretend like I know it.
- Exactly.
(man laughs)
Tough secret.
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