-During the nineteen thirties,
when you were working a lot with German patients
you did, I believe, forecast that
a second world war was very likely.
Well now, looking at the world today,
do you feel that a third world war is likely?
I have no definite indications in that respect,
but there are so many indications
that one doesn't know what one sees.
Is it trees, or is it the wood?
It's very difficult to say
because people's dreams
contain apprehensions, you know,
but it is very difficult to say
whether they point to a war
because that idea is uppermost in people's minds.
Formerly, you know, it has been much simpler.
People didn't think of a war
and therefore it was rather clear
what the dreams meant.
Nowadays no more so.
We are so full of apprehensions, fears
that one doesn't know exactly to what it points.
One thing is sure.
A great change of our psychological attitude
is imminent.
That is certain.
-And why?
Because we need more...
we need more psychology.
We need more understanding of human nature
because the only real danger that exists
is man himself.
He is the great danger
and we are pitifully unaware of it.
We know nothing of man, far too little.
His psyche should be studied
because we are the origin of all coming evil.
-Does man, do you think, need to have
the concept of sin and evil to live with?
Is this part of our nature?
Well, obviously.
-And of a redeemer?
That is an inevitable consequence.
-This is not a concept which will disappear
as we become more rational; it's something which-
Well, I don't believe that man ever will deviate
from the original pattern of his being.
There will always be such ideas.
For instance, if you do not directly believe in a personal redeemer,
as it was the case with Hitler
or the hero-worship in Russia
then it is an idea
it is...
a symbolic idea.
