The best
criteria for success
is the relationship you have
with one another.
If you get to recognition
by someone who is important
for you and you get recognition from
that person that's the best
definition of success.
But in a neoliberal system you're
never going to get
recognition because I'm competing
with you.
Yes true.
And that's why this form of success
is so ephemeral it disappears
at the same moment that you have it
because it's never enough it has
always to be
more than that.
So the bonus,
the trophy, the award,
the Oscar
or whatever it is it's a perpetual
loop. Are we starting to see that
this is a caricature now that this
system has become a caricature of
itself?
More and more people are suffering
the
consequences of it.
And I'm hoping that more
and more people will see the
connection between
what they are experiencing
and the system as such
but there are still a lot of work
necessary
for to like this kind of interview
to bring awareness to more people
because a number of them are not
aware of it or still thinking that
they are
the failures.
And that has to do all
with the fact that
implicit in this system
is the introduction of shame.
In the Freudian times we were
ashamed of our
body and of our sexuality.
Nowadays we are not successful.
So we feel ashamed about that.
So we're internalizing failures
not talking about it,
looking at other people who.
It's our failure.
So we personalize it,
which is quite an egotistical thing
to do.
Then we look at other people who we
percieve
as successful.
And that does what to us?
Well it keeps us silent.
And the fact that we are keeping
silent about it is probably
the strongest hindrance against
the awareness that it doesn't
affect the system.
The strange thing is that this
form of shame
and this implicit feeling
of failure is
even present on the highest levels.
Even someone who is obviously
very successful has the same
problem.
As a psychotherapist,
I see people from the top level
and I see people from the gutter
do that very consciously because
they want to
remain in touch with both of them.
What do you see? What are the
universal aspects?
That's the strange thing is moral
is the same.
Even someone who is
really successful
and always considered to be
successful
is deeply afraid
of being a failure.
And then what about the person as
you say
from the other end of the spectrum?
That person is also convinced that
he is
a failure and of course he has every
reason
to believe he is a failure because
you
get that message from the
outside world as well.
