What is the place
of humans in the world?
I see our place as
a top predator
in the food chain.
Just like lions, or
eagles.  We are members of a community.
A community that
follows, what I call, the Law of Limited Competition.
It is found universally
among the creatures of the living
community
and the Law of Limited Competition is
you make compete to the fullest
of your ability
but you may not hunt down your
competitors
to make them dead and you may not
destroy
the food of other species
simply to be destroying it.
Baboons will attack a tiger that it comes across
but they will not hunt tigers down to
kill them
just to make dead and they won't
destroy the food of the tigers to make them extinct.
The reason they do this is not because they're noble,
it's because it would be evolutionarily unstable to do this
to kill, to hunt down, to spend time
hunting down your competitors
and making their food
unavailable to them does not get any
food for you.  In other words, it is just waste.
It isn't feeding you,
and so it doesn't work, and if you
do it
you're going to go down.   You're not going to go up.  You're going to go down.
But we have adopted that
breaking that law as part of our
fundamental structure.
We hunt down
to kill, to make dead,
our competitors I we've 102 down kill
them
made them that all over Europe course
with so
still at work and at in in America
coming off the Coyotes the wall for we
find them
on doesn't and
it down protect our food
doesn't get any more food protect her
food
so we justify and we think it's a noble
thing
and of course we are we happily destroy
force that support
2012 other species
and we don't
the this piece you don't have certainly
become texting
when we have cut down one forest going
cut down 20 or 100
he had become extinct for that
that is part about 150 species to
disappear every day
if the ones that we whose ecological
supports we destroyed
so we are
we r mmm outlaws
in the living community
at as we are president you are not
outlaws
before are injured
and services were not outlaws other
species did become extinct
on and this
this they didn't didn't become extinct
because I
our ancestors wanted them dead wanted to
make think
because they did they didn't realize
you're making
think happen example the and Mastodon
we 100 those to thank him
but always assume there was another one
over the hill
and eventually there was no more on
over-the-hill but they didn't want to
destroy their own food
why they did it unintentionally
and
it is noted for example that has been
found
that kinda they found grounds where
I hope water buffaloes were killed
showing what we could people are time
the
American Indians were but in fact
yes as hunters know as
our own 100 no I'll
yah to Buffalo at
it's not an asshole that that can be
lived awful
on it
orenthal comply needed on
car hybrid on
and in order to order get a lot
love their enough food to live on yet
coho la
so again they were looking to make
buffalo's extinct I just need a lot of
them
cowardice my for answer
couple people who raise their hands yes
but what about this
I'll re-finance esters were infected
they work environment with
but they would for the most part harm's
way in the world as harm's way if
sharks or scorpion
buzzards
and we have to recognize that our place
on yes outlaws
we can survive
we're headed off the cliff
and that if we if you well we will
survive
if we become members and the community
make urself members like all other
members
not better not rulers have the community
but equal depended on
other members of the community the way
they're dependent on each other
what has been the role love religion
in what's going on now
especially this mass extinction in
I am generally a religions that would
that have survived
other religions that support
a our cultural mythology that support
the idea
on that humans are the preeminent
you have it in for the planet on that
when God looks at the earth your he
looking if you human doing I
is in spying on hi unity spying on us
I am
and religions that have-nots do not
support this
idea like animism for example
simply are not among the major religion
animism
it gets too long for any of our
religions and existed for
all up humanitarian not for people here
people here people here but for don't we
all people
now were for animals because it living
in the living community
gives one the Animus worldview is hard
to escape the endless world view if you
are
actually living in the living community
on
you see your membership you can avoid
you can't you
no the people have the
who lived in the Arctic Circle
now lived on the deer that migrated
through their territory
on without the fear they couldn't be
there
and the new they were dear I've never
stayed
so they didn't film consider themselves
different from the deer
they're just your another state
on they were better dear
I don't think any any the religions
support I'm
our civilizations
thrust toward mass extinctions
so I don't I don't ten-point point the
finger of blame toward
any of them
they remain silent
now
on the issue for example whether this is
the one right way for people to live
it they don't
they don't argue with it they don't
necessarily comported
supported now but remaining silent
has said has stood them in good stead
for all the country
animism
have no I'm track from on the people of
our civilization
because the animist worldview
is that the world is a sacred place
and that humans belong in a sacred place
now that sound terribly complex
idea but it doesn't worry I
go well with are arm be a
concept down are other religions
which Tennessee the world
as either a a stopping place
to something better as
said Kristin through I we're here just
be tested and prided
and then we die we go or we were
supposed to go
good having to go to hell on and in the
and in buddhism you
die and and are are reborn
and
Diana reborn Diane reboard finally you
escape a life on earth and Harley
get you to your real pic which is
nirvana and there is no idea
that humans Geelong in a sacred place
a human are fundamentally
on tainted button below
in Christianity for example I am
born flawed
with the recalled actual send
they've seen
act think been too long
original sin yes far in
in Adam's fall we see in the fall on
and we must a.m.
Murphy somehow get
underneath get out from underneath that
evil in order to
on to attain heaven and
and wouldn't course have through born
for unhappiness
suffering is is fundamental to human
life
and I am the company you have to
we try to to rise above buddy you
it is on ultimately on the stable
inescapable
I'm people are comparable
with the ideas
but the ideas above through an image
from our
alien is there
a one past
religion or wind worst
I virgin or is
religion important um
well I don't think I have ever kaya
from the store debut a at
to have fair I only get any my views
would be
have any basis in a 48 about
terms on the
the Animus worldview is one
that bind and I'm and
and that people people above ever no pre
Aboriginal people throughout the world
find I'm make sense to them I'll
and find agreeable I
Beth but you know I and called
best gold I think I believe
worth nom if my
I guess that as people
in the new renaissance if we attended
that a our current lineup religions are
going to seem
less and less relevant the whole
on business I'll
ok celebration and good works and and
think I'd have
I from just not going to make a fence
that once made
now
lever people that call in Beaver people
have been Aboriginal people
tribal peoples feed themselves he that
life on Earth
as valuable it's not something that
it's just a stage on the way they
it's good living is good being a lot is
good
com
condition and successes and isn't
accomplishing
is inventing your course getting richer
and
like that but living itself is own
reward
in some love your writing you
written about the power love vision
what do you mean by the power of vision
arm
the easiest wait to see it is with
regard
the way we deal with
power
vision out called River Basin arm
our own
vision on certainly trouble for
we feel a lot in it that
10 on displeases life
and and needs correction and
we start movements that to correct them
we pass laws to correct them especially
pass wife every year thousand applause
and
but the river rolls on and I call these
program other programs that we've put in
place
fix in the river they imply impede the
flow
they did they can stop but it's the best
we have
along with the rivers flowing in this
way
I am in the Renaissance
the river basin took a new course
and I am
if we're going to survive
on this planet we must have a new
patient
are we're never going to get there
putting
fixed in the river on you can't stop
polluters
every every state can we put in
the river to employees
the work I've polluting industries is a
compromise
iris usually found to be ineffective and
commitment word
and we put in another think that
punishes
okay here's what you do if we find I we
catch you
and and then go to court and they 10
days
says penalties and things like that and
more sick
go in but you that the river keeps on
going
a we can hope
to save the world by putting stick in
the river
we need a new beer up
humanity as a species among species
that should
have a lifetime millions beers
is no reason why we shouldn't
species become extinct when conditions
become so great so change in a way
that the 3 he cannot adapt to them on
with a great catch appeared
in Africa for example many three
became extinct because there is not fast
enough
to aid being coming pray and their
competitors became extinct because they
couldn't
a there was no where program so
on how
but the
people who moved into the
up into the Arctic Circle living
conditions
that would kill off but they
found a way to adapt adapted to them and
their bodies adapted to them
and they literally I at to change the
evolutionarily
II in way so that they're at home there
we go there course we have to wear no
bundle up with work clothes
are we die we haven't adapted to their
environment they have arm
the dinosaurs could not
and out to a world where most to the
on foliage are we today depended
was I'll wiped out
during the fun was years
following the
crash have this giant you're right
they couldn't adapt information
disappeared
what is the vision about our culture for
this culture
as I have a vision yeah is that we have
the one right way for people to live
and we must continue to live this way
even if it killed right
given a choice people cling to it
consisted of this is the right way to
live
that's why it's so that's really
important change to be
say now
we had a way of putting that was going
to
drivers to extinction and it was not the
one right way for human food
there is no one right way for people who
have I'm
and we can live at we can live a
different way more successful way
and we can learn a lot from
our ancestors who
with very successfully in the world for
105 years
if there were
and off switch to turn off
civilization to
to make it stop doing
what it's doing should that off switch
be polled
I I think other people would say film
arm
depends on you know how much if
controlled in my view
how much is controlled by the if on
switch
and know how how deep the definition of
civilization you have a do you mean
people come on the read/write for
foundation a foundation stone available
for have
civilization I think that question is
more that their van
people who've written about collapse
love industrial society due to
the depletion oil all for the depletion
of core
call so that's you know we're no longer
able to
grow the food in the quantity we can
because we no longer have the
cheap and easy energy that we once had
and so there've been writers
and and various others that would say
know it might be
as if all the machines were turned off
and all the electricity use of an
although
no all the the energy that makes
civilization possible turned off
there's even you know science-fiction
writers who will say
you know hypothetically that some
magical thing happens in all
everything just terms of Austria
have read my not prolong hammett yeah
on if that were possible was it
something that
should be done Rep on
if put it that way
it would be the with the hard way
arm him
it might work but in court
be however price for
billions would would would I
but maybe it's better than having the
whole species die
on the one
one problem I see with it is that if
if this were to happen as
if our vision process
for people going to say is well
okay with all the rubble
but we can start Oprah and do it all
again
and I think that would
if people go on thinking
this is the one right way for people
with people have to have
the way meant people with mental as long
as they believe that
go getting relive
the tools for the machines wouldn't
change anything
people to fake we must do it again we
will start
you know even if we have to start from
scratch we must do it again because it
is the one right way for people to
is humans were
created to in this way we must go on
must do it again
Corey
million must change for
even that very graphic solution without
being solution
and its vision changes then perhaps
more less traffic
solutions will be found
should be pointed out that when
I'm in
non-human community a
when if
a given species food supply diminishes
I'm
they don't star DOP starving to death
going to force
during the winter you don't find
did the airliner on their population
diminishes
I'm not just because they don't have
much food because getting the food takes
longer
that work hard get food and help
left time to make they have with time to
on procreate
on they are with able to care premium
and for the population
diminishes and it's not a drastic
horrible
period Nadia fashion
for them on if something that
I'm I'm very much
raid humans are going to have to
reconcile himself to
is seeing
that if were willing
if we want humanity to go on
living on this planet
then we're going to have to reduce our
population
from $7 billion already
the impact for having on the plan is
simply too
beer for us to be able to continue
I
I think that as devastating as the
how they were oil crisis is going to be
and and recall crisis
vaughn I think that time we will
continue to keep putting that off decade
after decade after decade as long as we
can
are but this in the same
with our population
week we can't go on putting off decade
after decade
your decade the are annual
continue
growth a a population we can't wait
for the oil to run out very well
we're going to be destroyed we don't
have to do anything to fed relax no
def I K like you can't wait for that
have
you can't wait for anything to happen on
this is this is something we we've got
to now
reconcile ourselves to seeing
something happen starting
soon as we can change people's minds
made from see
something my happen
it sounds like you're saying that we
shouldn't grow more food
to feed the hungry I we are not growing
more food to feed the hungry
there's never been a year with who
with a hundred got fed every year the
the hungry go on fed and every year we
grow more food
to feed the hungry and they do not get
said
after food we
Grohl Coast into supporting
are population growth which includes
hungry people
so Rick get more
people min crafted bigger lower-class
get bigger
200 get bigger growing more food effort
haven't
solve the problem I'm hungry
and producing that food I will not
create more hungry people he we can all
I just our lives
aku having
agrees to begin with no more food than
we had last year
people worked for see that
you can have can live
go on living no more food than they had
last year
and nasa beginning
23 we Khalif
hold the population than $7 billion
start there
then then people can
we can start working on on the question
go back
6 sick and a half billion who
who not who you are because we're not
cool should have
me half a billion people on
populations not going to grow
but
now start start wave:
halting a population growth
this
seems like it would be an opposition to
what we normally hear about the
importance of growing more food
you when you're here well thats
their people I'm other nations that are
getting enough food and
so we need to donate money to
get them more food and for example and
some vegetarians believe that
by eating vegetarian meal
that their is gonna be
more food available to feed the hungry
because
it takes a lotta love grain for example
to feed
the collar and so the amount of food
if you just take that same among the
food in you you feed people with
the plant food rather than converting it
into
animal food that that's gonna feed more
people so
if everyone for example was in the world
became
vegetarian or vegan we would be able to
feed
$10 billion people or
$12 billion people it right and so
way you seem to be saying this
that isn't isn't the way you think a bit
now at Hewitt February true
so what that means is that the human
race
have a couple more decade because
complete vegetarian unfair to becoming
$15 billion in thirty years
becomes $15 billion in fifty years
how long you want the human race to
survive
giving money found isn't really the
problem could cause you've got to have a
food to buy began to feed the poor eww
family growing the food from somebody by
given impact
year after year food
poor the hungry did not get bad starving
United
I so it's if area again this is an ocean
very much voted by food growers and
producers
I'm that we need to grow more food to
feed the hungry
they like this idea
is this an idea that's been around for a
long time
or is that a recent twentieth century
invention
arm I suspect it probably is a
twentieth century and that I could swear
to it I just remember you know
now being told as a child you know
you you can eat all the food on your
plate think about disarming tiny
on come out with with seventy years ago
I've never investigated the question you
have done a lot of writing
what has banned your
goal and doing all this trade from
I'm believe youre not
when I finish it now on
traffic now
with the name with the science fiction
writer
who is on them the border judges Ray
Bradbury a
örebro with her have me well
what are you going to do next what was
your follow-up is
I'll pressure there is no there if
up power I'm under I really thought
you lied and then
I started getting mail time for me
we've got got tax in fact thousands of
letters captures
all over not all that many in with
questions
I have now I hadn't done the job I
there is still work to be done I'm still
factor
to to to cover stuff I hadn't
I hadn't really nail down and so I did
story AP forget they write very good be
great for getting
it is really important a the
forgetting are a bar are RK pastor
hunting gathering path
have shock fresco if
he he still part of the great for
getting hear from
realized that that
resource base
economy which part iv: partner a tribal
life
get here look back are them
a when I was finished
with story be I've
again follows finished anti got more
questions more questions and
so I did my Ishmael for the first time
I've
able to show I went into the fact that I
got not only do they have a
terrific
social organization a social
organization work they had
educational system that worked like
no education there's no educational
system at all
huh it works so well with invisible it
worked in work perfectly
every generation live
learned everything the previous
generation had
because if they didn't here's why we
learned at all
and they were able at a young age
to pick up adult life
and live successfully as their parents
never went to a classroom never read the
textbook never took that
on 10
when the fire teacher here in
you can with school teacher was given a
task
up you know magnet school taking the
kids who have been gathered simply
because they were in the area
unistory favor at risk youth
giving creating a program for them from
few read my issue and the program she
create was one based on my idea there it
that kids will learn
from following their parents around are
doing with their parents did
helping your parents and she to teach
kids and sent them out in the community
on spent days working in a in a company
here
organization there doing restores just
being involved there
grade went up parents were stocked with
I their
attitudes change it was so successful
that is soo moves over it was cancelled
I
if the teachers other teachers so
Calif and they got for
good reviews in there in the press we
think they got really right away
%ah talk I had to do my
from and them on
i5 filling do something else
and so I started in on be on
civilization
I did something never tried before
I I offered do a seminar here in peace
in
for anyone who wanted to come down
I spend the summer with me not every
minute
but I but I would work with them
everywhere well how many days baby have
doing a month week I don't think so
every night yeah and
so I had about known probably weren't
home
and want one thing and they are all
great all my books
it's okay before we start gotta read the
new book
I'm free all red
the answer was Asian in manuscript and
they didn't have any more questions
I okay we've got nothing who
I 0
so I knew that I'd gonna i dun the basic
job
from the have done a better job with I'm
not be on for both Asian
and I still had
fielded some important work within
new essays and speeches
especially the new round found i think
is an important down
speech to be read on on mine fine
additional .org
but i wasnt a I was exhausted as a
writer
and so I've set out to write a novel
that I thought would reflect
a new vision what would a person with a
change mind
what kind of novel with a person change
mind
right as I wrote after dark I'll
and I think that was except for from
that point if you
be possible to other people because
what teaching book and then went on to
write
the Holy which was a
and is in strictly literary terms is my
most successful
but again people were puzzled as to why
I wouldn't work where was the guerilla
I'm an
having you can pretty much I really had
said everything I have to say with those
books
and then I wrote a book for about be
writing the books
which with I think you're right lined
paper right sideways
trying to get to the store
up my ideas how did I come to think this
way
forget that would be valuable some
people have fun valuable
but I am
I haven't written anything from them
except answers more questions ride
I'm put together
about my short stories
point week upon amazon dot com now
I'll probably put up ribbon at the
bottom
want to them the fifth version and the
book that eventually became his smile
if we know which version A and this is
called the book down get published in
in set up a
published in in part three-part in
I quite a good thing I really liked and
admired a lot they couldn't couldn't get
all that I couldn't get the whole plane
out there in that form
and so I had to go on for six version
but the fifth version if totality but
own
fell probably published that
as well but I apart my writing career is
finished
I'm I I feel like I've been I may not be
a
maybe I wake up in the morning I still
dream about having terrific book to
write
how them into your question
what was that the you we're setting out
to accomplish
what were you trying to you to you home
I'm are any good
good and that question Bella man I'm
after
we were living in Chicago and
I remember we were sitting heading in a
bar
or overlooking Broadway North Broadway
driving out to people where I said
really got do something for those people
I saw them as wondering
has lost as purposeful
meeting
needing a new vision good I didn't have
any ideal
when I talking about that point on
but again began struggling getting
something down on paper
and Rhoda novel
called man alien
period find fan fiction novel
my conversation between ordinary
man and representative ever
another culture in cultured who
explained
that his own people
were essentially
lever people yeah a non
non-competitive non not conflicting
people people who are under threat
have been on 300 thread on
but didn't want to change themselves to
meet the threat
on from an enemy
and sorry make faulk
that they would take a an existing
population
have intelligent beings and set them on
a path
they would leave them into becoming
world destroyers knew they'd finally
exceeded when they saw
it would create the atomic bomb now they
knew
they had the equipment we had created
equipment for them
to defend themselves made
and perverted the course %uh human
history
you order to develop the of their weapon
have a clear idea but
didn't do the whole thing course
beginning
and then I did you call
the Genesis transcript which wife
basically I'm
another teacher pupil kinda thing
human human teacher 31 the examiner
the intensive
especially the stories a Adam
and even enable as
a prototype our own culture eventually
did
now I'm but again that didn't
I didn't go deeply enough didn't go far
enough to end a wide enough
and I didn't have the burden of that and
phil was not verified
and I tried another novel
called the book now harsh not harsh
being the WordPress serpent
II people focusing in on the fall
in particular and
what the strip and with
after word certain was really doing
camping
Adam any do which was to invent
totalitarian golf course or didn't call
it that that didn't work either side
I could I could get go all the way there
I didn't next version which was
the book down work wonderfully Wells
Fargo & Phil
go far enough and so I did I'm
another story to be in which
got at the idea that we are
enacting this story
making it come true and during being
we were made conquering rule the year
and that's what we're doing were making
come true
I did conversion that too and then
reading it working ad hoc prime
came across announcement in magazine
there
mounting the Turner tomorrow
competition which call for an
a novel exploring
solutions to world problem I thought I
had a book
ready to go we need somebody else and
what did you do with a girl
and so I rewrote
it would know a would never have become
a success word for a smile
he made his first appearance there in
that in that
netbook yes 12 years
so this male has now retired to Africa
yeah permanently yeah
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